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The That's BJ personals were moved to http://beijing.asiaxpat.com/.It's a great site for meeting freebies. Never fails to generate good responses and fair game. I usually post 3-4 weeks before a trip. Each time I meet some new ones and catch up with some old friends.
No Iseeu, even though there was kind of a turmoil at that's last year, but the old folks at Thats Beijing is still alive and well, if you don't believe me, try www.thatsjb.com
SE Asia Joe
04-01-05, 08:44
Papadum:
errrrr...... the correct website is
www.thatsbj.com and NOT thatsjb
SE Asia Joe
Fourgotten
04-07-05, 16:17
Is it legal to take pictures of having sex with chinese women?
Is it legal to film video of having sex with chinese women?
As much as I want a personal collection, twenty years in a chinese prison doesn't sound very comforting. And the chinese goverment doesn't exactly respect presonal privacy.
I did some looking around but couldn't find the answers to these questions. Apparently the Chinese goverment is expending a lot of effort to stop internet porn, and the sale of pornography. But is it leagal to do it privatly and not distribute it?
Horny Girl
04-08-05, 03:28
Is it legal to take pictures of having sex with chinese women?
Is it legal to film video of having sex with chinese women?
As much as I want a personal collection, twenty years in a chinese prison doesn't sound very comforting. And the chinese goverment doesn't exactly respect presonal privacy.
I did some looking around but couldn't find the answers to these questions. Apparently the Chinese goverment is expending a lot of effort to stop internet porn, and the sale of pornography. But is it leagal to do it privatly and not distribute it?I am local chinese native resident from Yagzhou Jiangsu province.In china porno is illegal in public .For example u cannot buy porno books pictures and videos in bookstore.But in private u can sex with a woman in beauty parlor massage center.In China many bureaucrats got FS but ordinary no money no power they cannot enjoy Fs.It u wanna FS ,U may contact me, Ican provide u safe and security FS .Koz Yangzhou is famous for raising so many beautiful girls and woman.Best season best woman for u .Pls PM me.
OldAsiaHand
04-09-05, 10:42
I am local chinese native resident from Yagzhou Jiangsu province.In china porno is illegal in public .For example u cannot buy porno books pictures and videos in bookstore.But in private u can sex with a woman in beauty parlor massage center.In China many bureaucrats got FS but ordinary no money no power they cannot enjoy Fs.It u wanna FS ,U may contact me, Ican provide u safe and security FS .Koz Yangzhou is famous for raising so many beautiful girls and woman.Best season best woman for u .Pls PM me.
Horny Girl,
You have been asked by several of the senior members on this board posting on various threads to take your scams elsewhere. Please do so. You are insulting our intelligence.
OAH
OAH. You devil you.
Happy 800th postings.
Bill
Mock A Bee
04-11-05, 03:45
I agree with OAH,
Horny Girl, please take your pimping elsewhere. We don't really need you to be a Papasan on this forum. That is not what this is all about.
Your postings are really boring and don't add any value to our discussions.
Please leave you are taking up space.
The That's BJ personals were moved to http://beijing.asiaxpat.com/.It's a great site for meeting freebies. Never fails to generate good responses and fair game. I usually post 3-4 weeks before a trip. Each time I meet some new ones and catch up with some old friends.Sorry to sound so naive here. I've been trying this on the Shanghai version of the same site and garnered quite a few responses already. Not quite sure what to expect, however. I don't have much time in China this trip. Is it even worth meeting some of these women to see how things go? Or do you find it takes some time?
Thanks in advance.
First time in Shanghai, I normally monger east europe (see posts in romania)
My question to prepare for the trip: is anal difficult to have from the pros? What is generally included and what has to be discussed with mamasan or the girl?
What's the best way to get a pro? Masage parlors, barbers shop, or else? Taxidriver maybe?
Thanks guys
Mock A Bee
04-12-05, 03:37
The new and legitimate Website Address for That's Beijing is http://thatsbj.com/
There are plenty of girls advertising on Thatsbj.com, including who I think is the infamous Mary, though that is not confirmed.
I have only had a little bit of action out of That's BJ, perhaps because I don't use it enough.
Good Luck!
My friend from Transylvania,
I do believe it shall be very hard to convince any Chinese pro/Chinese girl to allow anal. I have to admit, I am not an expert here, and also so far never achieved to convince a Chinese to provide backdoor entrance, mainly also because I was generally turned down when I tried so initially.
Maybe others have better experiences to report.
The Shanghai Forum does supply many information regarding where and how to find pros. The girls working in BBS normally shall agree to date you, after they have done their shifts. Some will provide you with their cellphone numbers, and you shall be able to call them.
There are some streets in Shanghai, where you easily can find pros, Julu Road, Tongren Road, Hengshan Road.
Again, for more information, I suggest you do more reading in the Shanghai thread.
Levitian
Mock A Bee
04-13-05, 12:28
Re: docj's question whether getting anal sex is possible in China.
I have heard you can get anal in China, but it does depend on the girl. My understanding is, it is not common, but you can get it. I think your best luck will come from a pro, though I have heard of non-pros giving up the tar star.
I think like any other country, there are girls who will and girls who won't. Obviously try to find the adventurous ones to get any.
Good luck!
MAB
Have to agree with MAB and Lev. Just like any other country, some girls are willing to do it and some aren't.
My experience so far in China (all with freebies) has been that the younger and more inexperienced girls, they are in general more willing to try it. In fact, as someone posted a long time ago with a similar experience, a couple of long term fbs i have only let me go anal on them cause they are afraid of getting pregnant (even though i use protection everytime) and they want to stay as "virgins"... go figure!
I would say around 70-75% of the women i have been with have not objected to being fingered there and around 30-35% i have actually done the deed.
Anyway, as for whether pros would do it? Guess money and bling usually might persuade them! Hope that helps!
I agree with OAH,
Horny Girl, please take your pimping elsewhere. We don't really need you to be a Papasan on this forum. That is not what this is all about.
Your postings are really boring and don't add any value to our discussions.
Please leave you are taking up space.
Yes, Horny Girl, please shut your face and get lost. As you can see from the posts, you are not welcome here.
In China, on the way to travel, I find that there are some very cute girls almost anywhere, most nicely, on the way I go.
I want to share with you guys about nice feelings doing personal explore with girls in hotel front desks, young fuyuan on floors, some restaurant waitress, and even airport counter women.
These girls are nice and different from BBS or massage girls, most are not so pretty. Please share your experience as well.
On the way to go from Wuhan to Shenyang, I stopped by BJ one night. I stayed at an airport Inn, and when I checked in, it was 11:30pm. There was a very young girl, about 20, checking me in at the front desk. She is hot. After checking in, she brought me to the room, helping me some of the luggage. I thought nothing, but suddenly, 5 minutes later, the girl came back. She opened the door and went in the room by herself. I was so scared at first since I thought someone sneaked in, beside, I was taking shower. But when I saw her, then gosh, we ran into each other, and I finish her in a rough way that most can not imagine: she was still wearing her uniform, and I only manage to lower down her pant to find the hole!
After the deed, I went out to eat. The area was dark after midnight. There is only one restaurant still open. Amazingly, the waitress is another young girl, with short hair, very white skin. She is about 19. Obviously I just want to eeat some food and then at once had some thoughts of getting her to my bed. But I did not know how to get her. When I paid and left, she came to talk to me and ask how the food was going. I went out, and she followed me out the door, but I went straight back to the hotel. Should I give her my hotel card with room number on it?
A very young girl, about 20, checking me in at the front desk. She is hot. After checking in, she brought me to the room, helping me some of the luggage. I thought nothing, but suddenly, 5 minutes later, the girl came back. She opened the door and went in the room by herself. I was so scared at first since I thought someone sneaked in, beside, I was taking shower. But when I saw her, then gosh, we ran into each other, and I finish her in a rough way that most can not imagine: she was still wearing her uniform, and I only manage to lower down her pant to find the hole!!!
After the deed, I went out to eat. The area was dark after midnight. There is only one restaurant still open. Amazingly, the waitress is another young girl, with short hair, very white skin. She is about 19. Obviously I just want to eeat some food and then at once had some thoughts of getting her to my bed. But I did not know how to get her. When I paid and left, she came to talk to me and ask how the food was going. I went out, and she followed me out the door, but I went straight back to the hotel. Should I give her my hotel card with room number on it?
Mock A Bee
04-16-05, 04:25
In case any of you were wondering if Viagra is Kosher...
April 15, 2005
Viagra Cleared as Kosher for Passover
By THE NEW YORK TIMES
JERUSALEM, April 14 - A prominent Israeli rabbi has reversed an earlier ban and ruled that the anti-impotency drug Viagra can be made kosher for Passover, an Israeli newspaper reported Thursday.
The rabbi, Mordechai Eliahu, a former Sephardic chief rabbi, said Viagra could be taken if the pill was placed in special gelatin capsules before the weeklong observance begins April 23, The Jerusalem Post reported.
Passover imposes strict dietary laws, with many everyday kosher items banned, and a number of men had contacted Viagra's Israeli manufacturer to ask whether it could be taken during the holiday, the paper said.
Rabbis have in the past several years ruled against taking the drug during Passover, citing the coating on the pill.
In China, on the way to travel, I find that there are some very cute girls almost anywhere, most nicely, on the way I go.
I want to share with you guys about nice feelings doing personal explore with girls in hotel front desks, young fuyuan on floors, some restaurant waitress, and even airport counter women.
These girls are nice and different from BBS or massage girls, most are not so pretty. Please share your experience as well.
On the way to go from Wuhan to Shenyang, I stopped by BJ one night. I stayed at an airport Inn, and when I checked in, it was 11:30pm. There was a very young girl, about 20, checking me in at the front desk. She is hot. After checking in, she brought me to the room, helping me some of the luggage. I thought nothing, but suddenly, 5 minutes later, the girl came back. She opened the door and went in the room by herself. I was so scared at first since I thought someone sneaked in, beside, I was taking shower. But when I saw her, then gosh, we ran into each other, and I finish her in a rough way that most can not imagine: she was still wearing her uniform, and I only manage to lower down her pant to find the hole!
After the deed, I went out to eat. The area was dark after midnight. There is only one restaurant still open. Amazingly, the waitress is another young girl, with short hair, very white skin. She is about 19. Obviously I just want to eeat some food and then at once had some thoughts of getting her to my bed. But I did not know how to get her. When I paid and left, she came to talk to me and ask how the food was going. I went out, and she followed me out the door, but I went straight back to the hotel. Should I give her my hotel card with room number on it?
the front desk would brought you to the room...and came back again and let the door close? it doesn't like a hotel man. Are you......writing a story or dreaming or what? what's the address let check it out.
I'm sorry, but I'm a little bit of a "Doubting Thomas" as well Long Cu. If the girl is truely not a "pay for play" girl,then I find it pretty hard to believe your story. Most of the "good" girls in China are brought up with a strict and moral up bringing with a high emphasis on education.
I would venture a guess that if this "front desk" girl works at an international hotel, with some degree of English competency, she would not "lower" herself to engage in a one night stand. It is true, that "good" girls can be had very easily with a little bit of attention and fake promises, but to see such an agressive girl, from no less than Bejing is almost unbelieveable. Bejing even with the high influx of out of province Chinese, is probably the most educated city in China.
But, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. What is this "place" in Beijing. I travel to China at least 5-6x a year, and Beijing is often my destination. List your hotel, or if you feel more comfortable, give me a private message. I'll be very willing, to do a little recognaissance for our fellow brothers :)
I have to agree with Papadum and legal . This story sounds crazy even for Europe And to hapen in China?
It may be true but i cant bet on it sorry .
Maybe you are so good looking they cant resist .
Does someone has any stories about foreigners which got caught in raids?
I've been ask, but I really don't know any at all (other then a few Hong Kong people).
OldAsiaHand
04-18-05, 13:31
Long Cu,
Your posts get less believable as time goes on. How is the taxi driver doing with your girlfriend up North? This is not the first time your reports have been doubted. I am losing faith in your credibility. Sorry about that.
OAH
Does someone has any stories about foreigners which got caught in raids?
I've been ask, but I really don't know any at all (other then a few Hong Kong people).
Yes, two Japanese were caught in Shanghai and two Japanese Toyota workers in Southern China. I'm sure there's more from other countries but they never made the front page. If caught, "it can bring the death penalty", according to the store. Normally, foreigners usually pay a large fine and there's usually NO jail time. Foreigners make up only a very small number of mongers but it only took one foreigner monger to spread AIDS.
The articles were written from a Japanese's point of view. There were framed and it never happened. Just like the orgy in Zhuhai, it never happened.
Weelock
See:
http://www.*************.info/forum/showthread.php?p=312084#post312084
Rickyeoh99
04-19-05, 01:38
OAH,
I agreed with your point of view that Long Cu's latest post is unbelievable. It seems a little fetch for this to happen in China or anywhere else in the world.
all i said was real ,and you guys made funny comments that make you guys maybe are working for some propaganda body.
I remember before, there was a guy who posted about his fooling and fucking with a married woman next door, that when he moved away, her husband and her came out to say bye-bye. You guys came in and posted passionately about it. Well, tell you what, you may try it, but the possibility of getting stabbed with that kind of thing is pretty high, if you guys love it that way. What I have told you just the real experience with young girls, who are ready to fuck any time, and by the way, that is how they are? Right? If you can not have anything to say, stop and do not comment on my post. This forum is not yours. Stop the fucking shit, understood?
Rickyeoh99
04-20-05, 01:31
Long CU,
OAH is quite a senior member to this forum. He was already around when I came into this forum a few years ago. Though I've not meet him yet, I believe he is a nice guy from the postings that he wrote. I may not post much for some reason, I believe that I can give my point of view. And I agree with OAH's opinion of your posting. We just commented that we doubt your posting which means it may not be false. Maybe it's your writing style. I'm sorry if my view offended you.
Lastly, what's wrong with you? Do you really need to get angry and start cursing others' opinion?
Prince Leo
04-20-05, 03:50
All I said was real ,and you guys made funny comments that make you guys maybe are working for some propaganda body.
I remember before, there was a guy who posted about his fooling and fucking with a married woman next door, that when he moved away, her husband and her came out to say bye-bye. You guys came in and posted passionately about it. Well, tell you what, you may try it, but the possibility of getting stabbed with that kind of thing is pretty high, if you guys love it that way. What I have told you just the real experience with young girls, who are ready to fuck any time, and by the way, that is how they are? Right? If you can not have anything to say, stop and do not comment on my post. This forum is not yours. Stop the fucking shit, understood?Long CU,
What you have shared with us maybe true, but does not mean that one can believe it easily. If you look at it realisticly, what are the chances of it happening? Another thing, if this is your first time saying something that puts doubts in my mind, I will give you the benefit of doubts. But you do have somewhat of a reputation of non-believeable things. Please don't be the boy that cries "Wolf".
One other thing, if what other people's posts makes you upset, don't read it. There is no reason tell others to shut up. This forum is not yours neither, understood?
OldAsiaHand
04-20-05, 07:31
Long Cu,
If you remember, I also gave you the benefit of the doubt, even consoled you, when you posted the story about visiting your girlfriend and her family. I also gave you the benefit of the doubt when you asked for advice on buying a place for her in Shanghai or Beijing, cven though I thought she was taking you for the fool.
However, the more you tried to justify the facts in response to other posts, the more vague and amibiguous your story became.
IMHO, this most recent post about a one night stand with a hotel reception girl sounds too much like a fantasy to me.
We are all entitled to a POV on this board.
OAH
Mock A Bee
04-20-05, 16:50
Re: LE and getting busted at BBS
I was in Beijing checking out a BBS just a couple of weeks before the last Communist Party Convention (I think it was november), went inside, started talking with the Xiaojie and the girl told me she would not do a BBBJ, HJ only, so I left after maybe talking only 5 minutes. As soon as I stepped outside the door, there were some cops in an unmarked Jeep with heavily tinted windows. They totally scared the crap out of me when they told me to stop for questioning - it was a good thing I didn't get serviced!
They gave one of the girls a hard time and started harrassing another BBS girl who just returned. Then they started asking me questions, asked for my passport, and I started speaking really poor mandarin (not difficult for me to do!) and they pretty much gave up on me. They asked me where I am from blah blah blah, and they let me go. I was lucky they don't want to bother with foreigners, just scare them mostly.
Whenever there is a holiday or Communist party gathering or anything else that draws a lot of political attention, be careful in Beijing, they do sweeps.
Remember that prostitution in China is technically illegal though practically speaking it is accepted. Despite this acceptance on a practical level, LE can crack down anytime they feel like it.
MAB
Hi OAH,
I am sorry to you about my language, but things sometimes did not go as planned. That means girls can come anytime even when we don't expect.
I am now having less and less feelings with the paid sex. Sometimes I think they should pay me instead of me paying them.
That is why I look for a regular one.
BTW, OAH, I go to China again soon.
Batman was very friendly to me, he called my room in China and gave me crucial information. I also have a very nice place in SY, in a city that sex is pretty dry, I think, based on the reports. I will share with you guys soon after I finish my exams.
Long CU
Red Rock II
04-21-05, 22:41
Long CU,
There is no reason to raise the voice and be ofensive. Everyone has the right to doubt the stories in the posts. We are here to help and being helped. Let us treat each other as brothers.
If I remember correctly, you posted a story of meetting a girl in Changchun a year ago. It was a very good report! People were writting back to you offering advices. So did I.
However, your recent posts sound a little bit unrealistic to me too. But it doesn't mean it is not real. Anything can happen in China as well as in other parts of the world.
One Tree Hill
04-22-05, 04:58
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Blacklisted
04-22-05, 10:12
Hi everyone,
I finally made it in and just want to say thanks for your info and stories, I've had a great time checking them (and the pics!).
It's definitely the brotherhood, and I'd just like to offer any help I can as a speaker of Mandarin and now officially a third time visiter to China.
Last time I went to several MP's, but found nothing more offered than a massage. One of them was near Julu Lu. Though the service was good and the ladies were pretty nice.
Anyone else have a similar experience.
The Tripper
Sorry that I am having to write a report about my name being dragged into a disscussion on this board But.....
Long Cu did in fact write me and was in Shui Kou a couple of months ago and I did help him by calling him at the Hotel he was staying to make sure he got on the right floors of my favorite hotel. He had checked into a "family" room on the "family" floor of the hotel where the ladies will NOT knock on doors.
It seems that Long CU is having some credibility problems with some of his story's and may be trying to use my name to gain his credibiltiy back.
I have never met this gentleman and Long Cu should know that I cannot confirm any of his stories other than the fact that I was able to reach him by phone in a hotel in Shui Kou.
I have no knowlegde of any girls that he has been with.
He seemed nice enough on the phone and that why I helped him.
Happy hunting to everyone and if you Shanghai guys are in town durring the May hoilday I should be up your way.
Too Big?
I often see proud reports about the girls saying "you are too big!". This is bullshit! They know you like to hear that crap and it's their way of trying to get more money out of you, or a bigger tip.
And yes, they use that same line in other asian countries. Wake up guys, that's why they are called pros! Chinese ladies are very good at flattery.
Some guys are big, most guys aren't. I've heard that guys with big dongs have a problem getting strong erections, not enough blood flow. So don't feel envious!
Sstudent01
05-01-05, 06:53
Where can get the other size of condom around Chengdu?
Cause I feel the condom the one sell usually size 52mm, a bit small,
Yes me too, the girls say the same things, cause just wanna us to give more tips, and make us to come to her again. So dont trust what they say :)
Thanks,
Sstudent01
Sstudent01
05-03-05, 13:49
As I havent got reply, I do some research on the websites, and I found this one, hope this will help some of our bros
cheers,
Condom Market In Sichuan
After we visited many sex products shops, pharmacies and several agents and distributors, we found the information as follows:
1. Sichuan Contraceptive Service Center has their condom brands packed by Guanzhou Latex Company. Their condom brands include Dalishen, Laimei, Shijizhijiao and Falanshi which is claimed as Japanese condoms. Their brands have a big market share. Most packs are 10’ and 12’. The retail price for the first 3 brands is 10-20 yuan/pack and 36 yuan for Falanshi. The packs are also put in gross boxes, cellowrapped and sealed with instruction inside. The packages are well designed and printed. STD/AIDS prevention materials and brochures with intercourse pictures are put in the Falanshi cartons to attract consumers. There are 8 editions of brochures, one edition for one batch products. Their main business is wholesale. Their network includes pharmacies chains and local contraceptiive service centers. Their monthly billing is around 200,000 yuan, accounting for 15% of the total market.
2. The area around Chengdu North Railway Station and Reminbei Road is concentrated with sex products shops and wholesale outlets of sex devices. Most of the wholesale outlets are located in Hehuachi Wholesale market and Wukuaishi Wholesale market. Those two markets are the sources of counterfeit condoms. Those wholesale outlets were converted into clothing shops nominally after Commercial and Industrial Administration reorganized the markets for several times. The transaction is conducted secretly or via telephone. The wholesale price there is only 1-2 yuan/10’ or 12’. The outside package is good but the condom quality is not assured. It is said that those condoms include free condoms distributed by the government, condoms out of expiration period, untested condoms, condoms without silicon and counterfeit products. There are many small sex products shops in Reminbei road. Condom wholesale and retail are their main business and the competition is intense.
Sstudent01
05-03-05, 14:03
"I got this information when I am searching on websites, hope it will be interesting for the others, cheers, Sstudent01"
Generally speaking, the sex workers shared the top 10 tastes of a condom’s function: “lubricated” (81.9%), “durable” (55.3%), “flavored” (42.1%), “elastic” (28.2%), “famous brand” (26.1%), “thin” (24.4%), “good-looking package” (17.7%), “bright color” (15.7%), “thick” (11%) and “cheap” (9.7%).
The Sichuan and Yunnan sex workers had slight differences in their preferred condom functions. The Yunnan sex workers had higher demand for “thin” (27.0%) and “bright colored” (18.9%) The Sichuan sex workers had higher demand for “elastic” (30.5%), “famous brand” (32.6%) and “cheap” (12.6%).
The sex workers in different types of sex work establishments also had slight differences in preferred condom functions (Table 2). The sex workers at sauna/bath houses had higher demand for “durable” (61.9%) and “thin” (29.8%), those at nightclubs/hotels had higher demand for “bright color” (18.2%), those at bars/karaoke clubs had higher demand for “lubricated” (85.3%) and “flavored” (46.7%), those at beauty saloons had higher demand for “famous brand” (29.3%), and the street sex workers had higher demand for “good-looking package” (21.8%) and “cheap” (21.8%).
The sex workers in different age groups also had slight differences in favorite condom functions (Table 3). The sex workers below 16 had higher demand for “good-looking package” (23.1%) and “thick” (19.4%), those at 19-24 had higher demand for “flavored” (46.1%) and “bright-color” (19%), those 25-29 had higher demand for “lucrative” (90.3%), “durable” (59.1%), “elastic” (31.4%), “famous brand” (33.3%) and “thin” (28.6%), and those above 30 had higher demand for “cheap” (21.5%).
The qualitative supplementary investigation results indicated that good promotion measures would help encourage people to use condoms. First, the condom should help achieve the true feeling of non-condom sexual behavior, having “thin” and “elastic” functions. Some suggested new functions of condos may be helpful, such as new condoms with agnail on the surface and bright colors. Some advocated more promotion measures, for example, matching lotion, data on best anti-AIDS prevention measures, among others. As for the customers who rejected condoms, showing the disadvantages of non-condom use and advantages of condom use was the best way to persuade them to use condoms.
Besides that of public media, such as TV and newspaper, the sex workers thought that propaganda in drugstores and hospitals, especially near the department of gynecology and obstetrics, would also be effective.
Descriptions of demands on condom function: “It is thin, to create the real feeling.” “High quality.” “lubricated and quality are most important. It should not be vulnerable and thick.” “It is thin but not vulnerable.” “Elastic.” “It has lubricant.” “It has studs on the outside surface, which helps both customer and I have good feeling.” “Flavored.”
Description of demands on condom sales: “A package has large-medium-small-sized condom at the same time.” “Good-looking package.” “It has germicide with condom.” “It has cleaning liquid medicine.” “It has some information on AIDS prevention.” “It indicates the function of AIDS prevention.” “It explains STDs/AIDS prevention knowledge and measure.” “Buy one, get one free.” “A pamphlet on AIDS prevention is attached.”
I found this website with good maps of different cities.
Like Shanghai:
http://www.cityofnanaimo.com/asia/China/Shanghai.pdf
and Beijing:
http://www.cityofnanaimo.com/asia/China/Beijing.pdf
They have other cities too.
Tinybobo1002
05-08-05, 18:40
Hi OAH,
I am sorry to you about my language, but things sometimes did not go as planned. That means girls can come anytime even when we don't expect.
I am now having less and less feelings with the paid sex. Sometimes I think they should pay me instead of me paying them.
That is why I look for a regular one.
BTW, OAH, I go to China again soon.
Batman was very friendly to me, he called my room in China and gave me crucial information. I also have a very nice place in SY, in a city that sex is pretty dry, I think, based on the reports. I will share with you guys soon after I finish my exams.
Long CU
Long CU,
About a year ago, I challenged your story in a very polite way, but you really have issues with your credibility.
I still recall reading a post one of our fellow mongers approached a teen girl, who did not speak one single English word, in a shopping mall. In 5 minutes, this girl was in his hotel room sucking his dick for a few hours.
I don't know if this story and yours are real. I will not approach any non-pros on the street or at the hotel reception. I don't want to land in a jail.
In China, they can detain you for 15 days without reasons.
OldAsiaHand
05-09-05, 12:06
I posted earlier about an experience at the Canton Fair in Pazhou last fall. I met a girl from Beijing just before closing time. She was there working in one of the booths. I offered her a ride back to her hotel. She invited me up to her room. The rest is history.
I met another girl working at a trade fair in Shanghai. After dinner, drinks and an expensive bottle of wine, I finally got her up to my room. The rest is history.
Both of these girls were in their 30s and only average looking. These are the only two one night stands with freebies I managed to get in China.
Oh, I almost forgot. I managed a mamasan freebie at a BBS in Shenzhen once the first time we met.
All the other freebies I have had (not that many actually) took a bit of time and effort. And, many pursuits turned out to be a waste of time, effort, and money before I finally gave up.
Just my POV.
OAH
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All the other freebies I have had (not that many actually) took a bit of time and effort. And, many pursuits turned out to be a waste of time, effort, and money before I finally gave up.
Just my POV.
OAH
There is a lot of dishonest or macho bragging on this site. Nice to see someone being honest and not bragging.
Rickyeoh99
05-10-05, 01:32
There is a lot of dishonest or macho bragging on this site. Nice to see someone being honest and not bragging.Santa, that's where you can separate the real guys from the "boys". I believe that most of the guys here can guess which FR is real or doubtful. Just my point of view.
Why bother with freebies as long as there are plenty of payable beauties around?
Those on an extremely tight budget will be excused, but your will see, you will pay more in the end.
Red Rock II
05-10-05, 06:23
What you can get from freebies is something that money can't buy. It is totally different feeling. It is not easy, but it is exciting.
Red Rock,
I am with Day Night on this one. If I want a freebie I get a girlfriend. That is where you have a real GF experience. I have had a freebie or two in China, and it is usually just associated with headaches when you want to get rid of them. I would gladly pay 600 RMB to get rid of them, but it is not always so easy, especially if they have your cell number. You also end up fucking with their head when you let them fall.
Not always, but with some effort you can get freebie performance out of a pro. Treat them a bit like a freebie, and get their guard down so they actually get into enjoying the sex, and you might be surprised what performance levels they get to.
But as in all things YMMV.
Peter
I have been staying in China for a while, Nanjing in particular. I was wondering if there are websites where girls are advertised. If so where? I know some Chinese reading and writing so that should not be a problem.
Thanks
Red Rock II
05-11-05, 07:37
Peter,
I completely understand what you were saying and I agree with you. If my freebie is unattractive, in her late 20's or early 30's, I wouldn't keep her too long. A few times, run! If she is relatively attractive, I wouldn't worry too much. All I need to do is to slow down. At least it works for me.
Getting freebie performance out of pro is something that I am working on now. But sometimes it is hard to tell if she is really enjoying it or just want to keep me as one of her regular. I often ask myself: why should I care?
May be I am asking too much or I am just a little bit too sensitive.
Freebie or payable? I enjoy both! Happy hunting!
What you can get from freebies is something that money can't buy. It is totally different feeling. It is not easy, but it is exciting.
I understand what you mean. However, how many girls are there which will say: "Lets have sex once in a while, otherwise just let's get on with our things seperately"
If you date a married MILF you have a good chance of a fuckbuddy. But with a normal gal? I have grave doubts.
Can anybody help me on some addresses in Beijing where i can buy Vitamin V ,Cialis or Kamagra?
Regards,
Shuang
Can anybody help me on some addresses in Beijing where i can buy Vitamin V ,Cialis or Kamagra?
Regards,
ShuangIf you're already in China, I don't know. If you're planning a trip, I'd order online from www.rx-mex.net. Great prices, great service. I've used them for two years with no complaints.
Can anybody help me on some addresses in Beijing where i can buy Vitamin V ,Cialis or Kamagra?
Regards,
Shuang
In Hong Kong you can buy V or C in almost any pharmacy for HK$300-400 for the 4-pack. For V, buy a pill-cutter too, the 100mg version can be splitt in 4 and may still work well.
In China V is available in some sex shops 'under the table'. I dunno price and I don't recommend buying those unpackt pills usually sold by the piece.
Sstudent01
05-14-05, 15:51
I have been staying in China for a while, Nanjing in particular. I was wondering if there are websites where girls are advertised. If so where? I know some Chinese reading and writing so that should not be a problem.
ThanksI think you can try this website:
http://www.funinchina.com/
They have many girls in most of cities in China, they provide services: City Guide, Secretary & Interpreter, Social Escort, Culture Tutor, Available For Travel.
In the websites they provide the girls details, and the pictures, most of girls got good education level and ofcourse piao liang 漂亮 (Pretty)
which I dont know do they provide others services, please tell to us for any experiences :)
good luck man :)
Cheers,
Sstudent01
OldAsiaHand
05-14-05, 16:07
Gentlemen,
There has been a lot of dialogue on this board concerning the above. Most of the time, I prefer P4P. It's just easier, less time consuming, and safer for me.
Having said that, the chase can be exciting and a boost to one's ego, but it's never of the quality in appearance and service that I can pay for.
IMHO, with married gals you are at risk of getting caught. Women can go through true confession periods. I do not want a jealous husband after me. I reckon this could be dangerous to your health.
Just my POV.
OAH
From a New York Times story in the Science Times, page D1. May 17
Quote.
When intercourse was "unassisted," that is not accompanied by stimulation of the clitoris, just a quarter of the women studied experienced orgasms "often" during intercourse. Thirty percent of the women say they have never had an orgasm or that it is very rare.
Also this... if a women has sex with a man who is not her husband, the probability of her having an orgasm is much higher. Unquote.
This story was looking at the biological evolution of orgasms. Any evolutionary biologists out there want to comment?
Have you ever wondered why gigolos or "ducks" are very rare and yet prostitutes are everywhere? Why do males pay females, but females rarely pay males?
Why are there no bars like Maggie's and Passions full of handsome young males for rent, asking high prices, and eager women prowling around, asking the guys for sex and willing to pay big bucks?
Why aren't there male barbershops with females walking up and down asking for massage, hand jobs or full service and willing to pay?
Do you think this is a stupid question? Why? Is the answer obvious? I would like to read your answers.
I know this is an information website, not a chat room. Is it ok to use the "general info" section for such questions and comments?
I'm still relatively new to this website and a little confused as to what the rules are. My apologies if I'm out of order.
Shuang,
There is a counter in the airport, national departure, within the shopping area (after pass and security control), selling Chinese medicine. They also sell Viagra, bought a 30x50mg pack for .... well, pricey - .... CNY 3.000. They also have smaller packs.
Donno if they are original, they do work, though .... .
Levitian
Crazy Jim Wood
05-20-05, 09:34
Have you ever wondered why gigolos or "ducks" are very rare and yet prostitutes are everywhere? Why do males pay females, but females rarely pay males?
It seems kind of obvious. Any woman looking for no-strings-attached sex can just ask the first man she sees. She can at least get a free meal and flowers out of it, if not get some real compensation, if she has a mind to. But who cares? This site is for men looking for female companionship.
You must look harder. There are several "duck" bars in Shanghai and I know some KTV chicks who regular these shops often and spend big bucks. One KTV mami I knew that spent 20K RMB in a week. And there are a lot of outcall ducks available on demand. Also, there are women concubines of rich men who kept their own male concubines. The male concubines are termed "Xiao Lang Gou" (Little German Shepherd).
Women go to these places for different reasons then men. As in sex, men are physical and women are psychological. Those who frequent these shops are either in same line of business or concubines. They are either looking to get back at men or seek comfort they don't get at home.
Have you ever wondered why gigolos or "ducks" are very rare and yet prostitutes are everywhere? Why do males pay females, but females rarely pay males?
Why are there no bars like Maggie's and Passions full of handsome young males for rent, asking high prices, and eager women prowling around, asking the guys for sex and willing to pay big bucks?
Thanks for the interesting replies.
I read a magazine article about gigolos in Japan. Ladies would pay very high prices, like a $1000, for a handsome young man in an italian suit, flowers, flash car, candle-lite dinner, flattery, kisses and cuddles. But the sex was optional and the ladies would frequently not ask for sex.
While men around the world frequently pay for sex, women rarely do. For every gigolo there are a thousand prostitutes. Paying for sex is dominantly a male behavior. Is that correct? If so, why?
Crazy Jim. You say it seems obvious, "any women looking for no-strings-attached sex can just ask the first man she sees". Jim, I don't think that is true, unless she is young and attractive. If she is middle aged, not attractive and maybe overweight, and wants to fuck a handsome young man, I think most handsome young guys would turn her down.
Anybody want to try answering my crazy question?
No, I don't smoke crack, only a little pot and a few pints of guinness. I know this is an info site, not a chat room, but the "general info" thread is usually quiet anyway.
Joke time. What did the gay girl say to the other gay girl?
She said " it's true, we do taste like chicken!"
A while ago, there were researches published ago documenting relationship between shopping and sex and in particular Asian women who culturally educated not to think much of sex. They would use shopping to relive their sex drive.
If the researches are to be believed, that's thousands of shopping mall built in Asia as to women are the same as all the BBS, KTV, and Sauna for men. ;)
Thanks for the interesting replies.
I read a magazine article about gigolos in Japan. Ladies would pay very high prices, like a $1000, for a handsome young man in an italian suit, flowers, flash car, candle-lite dinner, flattery, kisses and cuddles. But the sex was optional and the ladies would frequently not ask for sex.
While men around the world frequently pay for sex, women rarely do. For every gigolo there are a thousand prostitutes. Paying for sex is dominantly a male behavior. Is that correct? If so, why?
Crazy Jim. You say it seems obvious, "any women looking for no-strings-attached sex can just ask the first man she sees". Jim, I don't think that is true, unless she is young and attractive. If she is middle aged, not attractive and maybe overweight, and wants to fuck a handsome young man, I think most handsome young guys would turn her down.
Anybody want to try answering my crazy question?
No, I don't smoke crack, only a little pot and a few pints of guinness. I know this is an info site, not a chat room, but the "general info" thread is usually quiet anyway.
Joke time. What did the gay girl say to the other gay girl?
She said " it's true, we do taste like chicken!"
Crazy Jim Wood
05-22-05, 22:21
OK, woman might need to ply the guy with a little alcohol and wear garters. But go into your average bar at closing time and see what these young guys are leaving the door with.
Crazy Jim. You say it seems obvious, "any women looking for no-strings-attached sex can just ask the first man she sees". Jim, I don't think that is true, unless she is young and attractive. If she is middle aged, not attractive and maybe overweight, and wants to fuck a handsome young man, I think most handsome young guys would turn her down.
The reason males pursue and pay females "for sex" is due to genetically caused hormonal differences.
The Y chromosome turns on male hormones which causes the genitilia to develop differently. In the ten week old fetus the "glans" becomes a penis in the male and a clitoris in the female. So you could say, "females have a small undeveloped penis". If you give male hormones to a very young female , her clitoris will grow into a little penis. If you give female hormones to a very young male, his penis will not develope and he will grow small breasts.
Sometimes a baby will be born with a combo of male and female genitals and the doctor will not be sure if it is a girl or boy. A difficult decision must be made regarding surgery and hormonal treatments.
The male, because of his masculine hormones and developed penis, are easily aroused sexually and have much stronger sexual desires. When males have sex they nearly always have an orgasm. The male must have arousal and orgasm in order to reproduce and pass his genes to the next generation.
Of course, some males have stronger sexual urges than others.
You could say, "males are driven by their gonads".
Females also have sexual desires and arousal, but females are not easily and quickly aroused. They usually need a lot of gentle foreplay. Females don't need to have arousal or orgasm in order to reproduce. Many females have orgasms very rarely, or not at all. They often pretend to have orgasms just to please the male.
Females look for affection, protection, financial security and babies, but not sex. They understand that males want sex, but females can take it or leave it. Of course, some women have stronger sexual urges than others.
So, why do males go mongering? Male hormones!
Joke time.
There was a woman from Wheeling
Who had a peculiar feeling
So she laid on her back
Opened her crack
And pissed all over the ceiling!
Frank Booth
05-28-05, 19:51
There was a woman from Wheeling
Who had a peculiar feeling
So she laid on her back
Opened her crack
And pissed all over the ceiling!
Wheeling, WV, five bucks for a straight fuck...
Mock A Bee
05-30-05, 04:48
Men are simply wired differently than women.
Men can get off with just visual or physical cues, emotional attachment is not necessary. The male species is designed to get as many women pregnant as possible.
Women tend to need emotional attachment before they are willing to have sex. They need to know that the baby they are going to care for after the agony of giving birth will be worth all the trouble to continue the father's genes.
MAB
SE Asia Joe
05-31-05, 05:49
Gentlemen,
Been reviewing umpteen pages of prior posts here and on other China threads as a result of a recent discussion a bunch of us guys (who keeps a “special friend” in China) have been having. Unfortunately, I’ve had no luck getting to the bottom of the question at hand, which is:
WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE DANGERS OF KEEPING A MISTRESS IN CHINA – either from LE officers (Guang An) or from bad elements?
Guang An – Most of us are convinced that China’s Guang An:
1. Has unlimited powers – be it forcing entry into private premises, stopping persons entering/leaving such premises, detention of anybody without any cause or even rationality.
2. Are generally corrupt and will thus target us “better off” foreigners (whether White or of Asian and Chinese descent) – either for their own benefit or as a result of instigation by other parties (i.e. unsatisfied Biz partners – true Biz or worse P4P, former girl friends – even neighbors who may resent their building/area being peopled by mistresses and others they consider being inferior to themselves).
3. Are so inept (besides being corrupt) that they have no qualms about victimizing anybody including foreign passport holders (especially of Asian descent) - past instances have proven that a foreign passport is definitely NOT a guarantee that one is ‘insulated/inured’ from their actions. They know that even foreign passport holders cannot afford any scandals (i.e. family, job, public opinion back home etc) and also that well before the time our respective consulates could even hear anything about any incidence, that we would have already “settled” our “transgression” using a suitable “reward”
Bad Elements – the same fears as those for the Guang An.
Does anybody here have an authoritative word of advise to give? Please!
A. We’ve heard multiple bad stories – especially in the Hong Kong Chinese press – about various crimes and mayhem befalling guys who keeps mistresses in China – common criminal action and more worrying, action by the Guang An. Can they and do they regularly really break down doors to haul off mistresses and their Sugar Daddies?
B. Various “Strike Hard” campaigns (crackdowns on various ‘evils’ in China) do come quite regularly in China usually centered around major Chinese holidays like the New year, golden week etc – but we had in the past thought that there is danger only if one is caught in a hotel room or at a SW’s premises/work place. Now we hear that even private premises where we keep our special friends may be dangerous places too
C. What is your advise/opinion to do if such a thing does happen?
Thank you to one and all who would care to reply.
SE Asia Joe
Chop Sticks
06-05-05, 16:14
I would like to know how the following sentences in chinese are called (pinyin please)
Show me your ID-card:
My room number is:
I would like to know how the following sentences in chinese are called (pinyin please)
Show me your ID-card:
My room number is:With tones as numbers:
"show me your ID card": "ni3 gei3 wo3 kan4 ni3 de shen1 fen1 zheng4!"
"my room number is X:" "wo3 de fang2 jian1 shi4 X hao4."
Hope this helps.
to have someone write it out in Chinese instead. My personal favorite is have it written out and photograph it with my cell phone and show it when I have to.
Bill
I would like to know how the following sentences in chinese are called (pinyin please)
Show me your ID-card:
My room number is:
Travel Dog
06-06-05, 05:12
Chop
In my passable Chinese here's how I would say it.
Show me your ID-card:
PinYin
Wo yao Kankan ni de shenfenzheng
"wah yaow kahn kahn knee duh chenfunjen"
My room number is:
Wo de fanjian haoma shi
"wah duh fahnjen how mah shhh"
TD
OldAsiaHand
06-06-05, 13:02
SE Asia Joe,
First, I am not a lawyer. However, most people in China will tell you that what you do in the privacy of your own home is your own business. As I am sure you know, the legal system in China is still rather confusing. In addition to the law, the government has the right to act on the basis of morality in some matters. For the legal/moral aspect, you really need to consult an attorney, but even then I am not sure you can get a straightforward answer.
As a practical matter, I know, as I am sure you do, thousands, if not millions, of overseas Chinese keep a mistress in China with no trouble at all. On the other hand, revenge can get pretty nasty should you cross the wrong people in China. The recent case of a HK politician arrested with a pro was obviously deeper than what we could see on the surface.
IMHO, if you keep a relatively low profile, you should be OK.
Just my POV.
OAH
There have been many excellent pinyin translations of useful words and phrases posted in the past. Unfortunately, we do not have a Useful Phrases thread. So now they are lost.
I requested such a thread, but nothing came of it. I thought perhaps Jackson wanted to keep to his policy of posts in english only. However, they do have a Useful Phrases thread on the Latin America board.
Bob Builder
06-06-05, 18:38
The HK politician was in a 5 star hotel in Tai Ping which is public domain and high risk. He was unlucky from my sources and not targeted as there was a sweep that night in Tai Ping.
Law in Shenzhen is that LE or Bo An are not supposed to enter private residence at night but they do periodically go through all private residence in a village and get residents to register. I have been in an apartment while this was happening and they do ask whether a couple are married or not but don't really seem to care if they are not especially in the mistress villages. To arrest people outright would be shooting themselves in the foot as if they arrested the residents the villages would be empty and they would be out of a job.
On the other hand if you go back to a BBS apartment or are wandering the steets with an obvious looking hooker, you are taking your own life or willie in your own hands as every so often some unlucky punter will be used to fill a quota of arrests during a crackdown.
My 2 fen worth.
Mock A Bee
06-07-05, 03:19
In China, if someone wants to get you arrested bad enough I can assure you it can be done, assuming you have enough guanxi and/or money. The Police can pretty much make up any excuse they like.
Morality is a big blanket that can cover pretty much anything.
Spying is another easy excuse. There was an HK reporter arrested in a sting back in April who as arrested on charges of spying and conveying "State Secrets". Ok, whatever.
For the most part, keeping a mistress is relatively common and in Shenzhen there is a large apartment complex filled with mistresses of HK business men. It is well known by those in the know, to be a "concubine palace". I am sure there are other regions in China with such apartment complexes.
I agree, keep a low profile, and if your mistress dresses with class, you won't have a problem claiming she is your girlfriend (or office co-worker?).
Just don't let your wife find out or let your concubine get jealous of her and you should be able to minimize any issues.
MAB
SE Asia Joe
06-07-05, 06:41
Thanks Guys for all your replies.
I guess it all boils down to being sensible - advise that applies in all jurisdiction and all situations. There is NO magic wand one can wave to protect oneself from problems 100%
The thing that is most irksome to us bunch of friends (who keeps mistresses in Shenzhen) is that we have most to fear those who are suppossed to be the ones we should be able to turn to for protection i.e. The Guang An. But I guess its like this in most under-developed/developing society - worse in China as it's had such a rapid transformation.
I would appreciate it if some more of you would give me your opinion/advise on matter.
Thanks,
SE Asia Joe
Can anybody please explain to me what are the advantages of having a mistress? If you want female companionship on the side, there are plenty of women in Asia who will be more than happy to hang with you. Are relationships that last over 8 hours in length really worth anyones time and effort in this day and age?
Let the debate begin!
Please beware, someone here seems to be using my name, I realized that when a member sent me a private mail including a quote signed "Erik".
I you receive anything from me these days, please double check with me, as it might be a scam.
I don't know how to report this to Jackson, as we cannot send him emails anymore.
Tinybobo1002
06-07-05, 23:13
Can anybody please explain to me what are the advantages of having a mistress? If you want female companionship on the side, there are plenty of women in Asia who will be more than happy to hang with you. Are relationships that last over 8 hours in length really worth anyones time and effort in this day and age?
Let the debate begin!
Bec 26:
I have participated in a similar debate for numerous times. The last was with O2G and the gang, on shanghai Board. This intelligent group are very enlightening and entertaining. There are both pros and cons, which I am not going to repeat. In a nutshell, it depends who you are. Generally speaking, if you are unattached and willing to take the risk, this is not a bad choice, especially that a mistress may somewhat satisfy our psychological needs. If you are married or the mistress may somehow ruin your career or business, think twice before your dick tells you what to do.
Overall, pros at ktv or bbs tend to be young and have tight pussy. Freebies and mistresses are more mature and good communicators.
I had a few mistresses in China over the past 10 years. Most of them have driven me against a brick wall, almost causing my marriage and family.
Now, I prefer one time cash transaction.
Cebu Local
06-08-05, 01:11
Bec 26:
I have participated in a similar debate for numerous times. The last was with O2G and the gang, on shanghai Board. This intelligent group are very enlightening and entertaining. There are both pros and cons, which I am not going to repeat. In a nutshell, it depends who you are. Generally speaking, if you are unattached and willing to take the risk, this is not a bad choice, especially that a mistress may somewhat satisfy our psychological needs. If you are married or the mistress may somehow ruin your career or business, think twice before your dick tells you what to do.
Overall, pros at ktv or bbs tend to be young and have tight pussy. Freebies and mistresses are more mature and good communicators.
I had a few mistresses in China over the past 10 years. Most of them have driven me against a brick wall, almost causing my marriage and family.
Now, I prefer one time cash transaction.
It depends on the circumstances like age,lifestyle,income of each individual guy.For example If you are married with 2 kids,your needs are different from say a single guy in his late 30 s pushing 40 who is looking for a partner.All of us on the board are different people with different needs,Different strokes for different folks.For example I need somebody who shares my passion for travel and adventure and who can adjust to the party circuit of Upper Class"society" in Cebu.My needs would vary from a Married guy with 2 kids looking for some fun .I dont think a BBS girl is the proper companion to bring to the Maldives or the Governor s Ball in Cebu.But for a one night stand,thats a different story.Anyway thats my 2 centavos opinion
I think you can try this website:
http://www.funinchina.com/
They have many girls in most of cities in China, they provide services: City Guide, Secretary & Interpreter, Social Escort, Culture Tutor, Available For Travel.
In the websites they provide the girls details, and the pictures, most of girls got good education level and ofcourse piao liang 漂亮 (Pretty)
which I dont know do they provide others services, please tell to us for any experiences :)
good luck man :)
Cheers,
Sstudent01Looks like a good site but seems like too much work and expensive. I just installed QQ Messenger, I heard there are workers on the chatrooms as well as Sina any experience with that?
Hi fellow Sishuan lovers:
I am debating visiting Chengdu.... after having had much fun in Chongqing and falling in love with many Chengdu girls in Shanghai.
How you you rate Chengdu in terms of mongering? Easier, harder?
Any advice would help.
Cheers
-f-
There was a story on the front page of todays N Y Times about the government's efforts to stop aids. Chinese City Emerges as Model in Aids Fight. Thursday, June 16, 05. The city is Gejiu, Yunnan.
The clinics offer free needles and methodone treatment for heroin addicts. Also, testing, education and free condoms for prostitutes, etc. Free condoms to be placed in hotel rooms.
There is now an estimated 850,000 chinese testing positive for HIV. Nine out of ten persons are not aware they are infected. Girls who are infected, when they learn there is a problem, keep it a secret and continue to work.
Roughly 150,000 additional people are believed to have died.
The new program, which is being praised by health organizations, is expected to go nationwide. They will start in the provinces where the disease is most prevalent. There are now only 8 clinics, but officials in Beijing want to open 5,000 clinics by 2010.
Ok this was a question posed by someone on another site. He was going to China and heard the Chinese did not accept treat blacks to well. Anyone who has gone to China may answer this question. Do the Chinese really treat blacks poorly?
OldAsiaHand
06-17-05, 10:54
Hi fellow Sishuan lovers:
I am debating visiting Chengdu.... after having had much fun in Chongqing and falling in love with many Chengdu girls in Shanghai.
How you you rate Chengdu in terms of mongering? Easier, harder?
Any advice would help.
Cheers
-f-
F,
IMHO, the action is better in CQ.
OAH
Juno Audio
06-17-05, 19:47
Ok this was a question posed by someone on another site. He was going to China and heard the Chinese did not accept treat blacks to well. Anyone who has gone to China may answer this question. Do the Chinese really treat blacks poorly?Prejustice and descrimination is universal, and the Chinese are not immune to it, they even look down on their minority groups. Now the question is what you mean by "did not accept or treat blacks too well". I could say that they won't refuse you service at a restaurant, if that's what you mean.
JA
I have met a few black guys living in China who told me they were treated very well and loved it there.
I also remember seeing an international TV news story, but this was many years ago, about black university students in Beijing being deported back to Africa because the chinese guys didn't like seeing them with chinese girls.
I am Black. I have been treated very well by all I have encountered.
Venturing away from the major cities like Shanghai, where Blacks are not that common, people will stare at you, even sneak taking a picture of you. I acknowledge all stares by a wave, which produces smiles.
I have enjoyed all my trips to China. The majority of my trips I have been alone. I am not one to sit in hotel all day on the weekends so I go to museums, temples, markets, parks, or just walk around.
Faust Joe, Tell your friend to enjoy the experience. Approach the trip with a positive attitude and he will be well received.
Rayzor
Faust Joe,
I agree totally with Rayzor. I am black and I have been traveling to China since 1980 for school, business, and vacation. I have never encountered any problem. They will be more curious about you than anything else. One of the common requests that I get when someone become comfortable with me is: "Can I feel your hair?". Of course, I agree and they get a big kick out of touching it.
Have fun but be safe.
Sonidos
another new york times report. tuesday, june 21, 05. front page.
[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) in china. a three month nightmare for 26 girls. xinji, china.
some teachers have been arrested for having sex with very young students. some have been executed while others may get prison terms.
one teacher was accused of [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) 58 girls between the ages of 10 to 15.
is it ok for me to report these stories on this website?
Cebu Local
06-21-05, 23:45
another new york times report. tuesday, june 21, 05. front page.
[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) in china. a three month nightmare for 26 girls. xinji, china.
some teachers have been arrested for having sex with very young students. some have been executed while others may get prison terms.
one teacher was accused of [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) 58 girls between the ages of 10 to 15.
is it ok for me to report these stories on this website?
why not??you are pointing out the dangers of having sex with 10-15 year old girls in china
Comrade 2255
06-22-05, 04:43
Why not??You are pointing out the dangers of having Sex with 10-15 year old girls in China
Not forgetting of course the sheer immorality of it too.
in the n y times report, the teacher would order one of the kids to get him cigaretes and bring them to his office. the other kids would wait in class while the teacher and the girl were gone. of course, the other kids knew what was happening since they had also been used.
he would bang the little girl. i think the police will now bang him in the back of the head. there are court cases pending. one known execution has already taken place.
the n y times claimed to have an exclusive story, these schoolgirl [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) cases have not yet been reported in the chinese media. the times put it on the front page!
a warning to english teachers. don't be tempted to have fun with your students if they are minors.
Mock A Bee
06-22-05, 09:49
When reading the NY Times online, the graphics and pictures are blocked from being loaded into my browser. I tried Opera, Firefox, Netcaptor and IE, and I get the same problem.
If anyone has a solution, I would love to hear it.
Anyone else have this problem?
I came across these magazine stories and thought I would share them with you. It is political/military, so I'm not sure if it is ok to post on a mongering site.
The Atlantic. June 2005. How We Would Fight China.
The Next Cold War. By Robert D. Kaplan
Managing China's Rise. By Benjamin Schwarz
"When power relationships are correctly calibrated, wars tend to be avoided. Only a similar pragmatic approach will allow us to accomodate China's inevitable and legitimate re-emergence as a great power".
Try www.theatlantic.com
Difficult reading, but interesting stories about China's emerging military ambitions and challenge.
Cebu Local
06-25-05, 15:33
I came across these magazine stories and thought I would share them with you. It is political/military, so I'm not sure if it is ok to post on a mongering site.
The Atlantic. June 2005. How We Would Fight China.
The Next Cold War. By Robert D. Kaplan
Managing China's Rise. By Benjamin Schwarz
"When power relationships are correctly calibrated, wars tend to be avoided. Only a similar pragmatic approach will allow us to accomodate China's inevitable and legitimate re-emergence as a great power".
Try www.theatlantic.com
Difficult reading, but interesting stories about China's emerging military ambitions and challenge.
Hi Santa
A little heavy reading for a mongering site,but still of interest to some,My only comment is to quote a line from the current cover story of Asia Pacific Fortune on America being flattened by a rising China,Just as Europe could not stop America from rising in the 19th century and 20th century,The United States cannot stop the rise of China in the 21st Century,The question is whether it will be a friend or a foe.Who knows ?,Maybe the future WSG will be out of China with FR s of Chinese mongering in Vegas,Europe etc.
It will be interesting to see how the US-China relations develop. They both need to be friends, co-operate and work together for the benefit of all.
Unfortunately, there is a lot of mutual mistrust, nationalism and feelings of hostility. We have a potential new Cold War as China's growing military begins to challenge America's domination, and a possible future clash.
Let's all hope the future belongs to those of us who want to "make love not war". So be nice to those sweet ladies and make sure they want some more! Keep on shagging and let the loving mongerers rule!
Remember, sex is good for your health and helps promote world peace.
Cebu Local. I was in Cebu earlier this year and loved it. Maybe I will go again next year and we can meet.
Cebu Local
06-25-05, 23:34
It will be interesting to see how the US-China relations develop. They both need to be friends, co-operate and work together for the benefit of all.
Unfortunately, there is a lot of mutual mistrust, nationalism and feelings of hostility. We have a potential new Cold War as China's growing military begins to challenge America's domination, and a possible future clash.
Let's all hope the future belongs to those of us who want to "make love not war". So be nice to those sweet ladies and make sure they want some more! Keep on shagging and let the loving mongerers rule!
SEX is good for you!
Cebu Local. I was in Cebu earlier this year and loved it. Maybe I will go again next year and we can meet.
No problem,Drop me a line if you are headed my way and want to try some island girls for a change.The bottom line is make love,not war.Little bits of trivia.With the purchase of Maytag,Hoover and Jennair also become Chinese owned companies,Likewise Las Vegas is no longer the Gambling Capital of the world,Macau officially overtook Vegas in gambling revenue in 2004.The mall of the Americas or the West Edmonton mall are not the largest malls in the world,Yup its in China also.The fastest train is not the Japanese bullet train,but the Shanghai Maglev.Anyway best regards
What is the correct casual term for 'Orgasm'? My organizer translates it to xing4 gao1 chao2 - which could be the medically correct term but maybe is not colloquial.
Are there any better terms?
Ni gao chao le ma? Did you come? Wo kuai gao chao le = I'm coming. Wo gao chao le = I've come.
I don't know another way to say it, but I know very little chinese.
Do you guys know what a "wiktionary" is? It's a dictionary on a website where you can create, alter, add to or correct a definition. So the dictionary is created by the users and it cradually evolves.
I wish we had a mongerer's wiktionary of useful chinese phrases in pinyin, right here on the wsg forum. Does anybody know of a pinyin wictionary site?
Do you know of any english-pinyin website?
Also, a mongerer's wikipedia would be fun. Try www.wikipedia.com to see how it works.
Time Magazine. Special Report June, 27
Will the rise of China mean the decline of the U.S.? Try www.time.com
It contains several stories. Go to Special Reports and then look under World.
The Sunday New York Times editorial, today accused the U.S. government of creating "anti-China sentiment" and of blaming the chinese for the Bush administration's own economic blunders. Tax breaks for the very rich and deficits.
The politicians in Washington have been shocked by China's bids to buy Unocal Oil for 18.5 billion, Maytag for 1.3 and IBM's PC division for 1.7
Bank of America bought a 9% share of China Construction Bank for 2.5 and Anhauser-Bush bought Harbin Brewery.
Hope some of you find that of interest.
Comrade 2255
06-27-05, 01:50
Do you know of any english-pinyin website?
This may be of some use
http://www.mandarintools.com/chardict.html
Juno Audio
06-27-05, 14:43
What is the correct casual term for 'Orgasm'? My organizer translates it to xing4 gao1 chao2 - which could be the medically correct term but maybe is not colloquial.
Are there any better terms?Most people use the slang "Chu Shui", literally means "out water". Both HK and mainland use this term, and it can apply to both men and women.
JA
Does anyone know how to say 'BBS' in Mandarin? I am thinking for the purpose of communicating with taxi drivers in a new city and finding the fun parts of town.
thanks!
Mark Mason
06-28-05, 08:06
A barber shop is a Li Fa Dian, but that would just get you to a hairdresser. Tell the taxi driver that you want a XiaoJie. A massage (an mo) is also a polite term for sex but it can also just get you a foot rub. A hand sign sticking one finger into and OK sign in the other hand seems a universal symbol/
I haven't had much expereince with taxi drivers but the older ladies that tout hotels around the train station are sometimes good guides to finding what you are looking for.
There must be some more words for BBS, or? I mean, the English language has 1000th of words for sexually related topics.
I usually just ask for 'an mo', but that is also a colourfull term and has different meanings to different people. I was last week in a BBS where they were quite blunt and said they don't do 'an mo' but only 'zhou ai' (make love).
Maybe one could ask for a 'Zhou Ai Dian'?
Juno Audio
06-28-05, 16:49
Does anyone know how to say 'BBS' in Mandarin? I am thinking for the purpose of communicating with taxi drivers in a new city and finding the fun parts of town.
thanks!Use "Mei Rong Dian", it stands for "beauty salon". If you are a guy asking a taxi driver to take you to a beauty salon, nine out of ten will know what you are looking for, especially at night.
JA
"Mei rong dian" sounds right - the right amount of innuendo, I think. I feel a little weird asking cabbies directly for xiaojie. Although, one time in a new city I asked a female cabbie if she knew a sauna with xiaojie and she really went out of her way to help me. It was really kind of touching having this 45-year-old woman rack her brains to find me a place where I could get laid.
Thanks guys!
Comrade 2255
06-29-05, 06:22
Could some kind comrade(s) here translate these phrases into Chinese script and/or toned pinyin?
1. are 'extra' services available here?
2. what province are you from?
3. how old are you?
4. how long have you been in this city?
5. what hours do you work?
6. what days do you work?
7. can you come to my hotel later?
8. why did she leave?
9. did I cause trouble?
10. do many foreigners come here?
Perhaps we could call this the Lonely Monger Survival Kit <grin>
Thanks in advance.
We desperately need a "Useful Chinese Phrases" thread on the China board.
There have been many excellent language translation contributions made by members that are now lost in the archives.
Knowing how to communicate with the girls helps keep the prices down and the quality of service up.
Please write to Jackson and request a new thread.
Juno Audio
06-29-05, 08:17
"Mei rong dian" sounds right - the right amount of innuendo, I think. I feel a little weird asking cabbies directly for xiaojie. Although, one time in a new city I asked a female cabbie if she knew a sauna with xiaojie and she really went out of her way to help me. It was really kind of touching having this 45-year-old woman rack her brains to find me a place where I could get laid.
Thanks guys!Believe me, Mei Rong Dian is the right translation. My local friend tells me that this has been used so much to mean prostitution houses, that a village girl will never tell her parents that she is going to the city to work in a Mei Rong Dian, even if it was a legit one.
JA
An article this morning in China Daily,
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-07/03/content_456673.htm
Could some kind comrade(s) here translate these phrases into Chinese script and/or toned pinyin?
1. are 'extra' services available here?
2. what province are you from?
3. how old are you?
4. how long have you been in this city?
5. what hours do you work?
6. what days do you work?
7. can you come to my hotel later?
8. why did she leave?
9. did I cause trouble?
10. do many foreigners come here?
Perhaps we could call this the Lonely Monger Survival Kit <grin>
Thanks in advance.I claim no professional linguistic skills, just one quarter of Chinese study. As such, use at your own risk! (And it might be totally wrong too!) Basically, don't blame me if it doesn't work. Also I suck at tones, so I won't even try here, because I don't want to look up every word in a dictionary.
1. Ni men you mei you "tebie" de fuwu. <--- (least sure about. Any help guys?)
2. Ni shi cong nage chengshi lai de? (Don't know how to say province, so this is "What city are you from?")
3. Ni ji sui? (Or: "Ni duo da?)
4. Ni dou chang shijian zai zhege chengshi gong zuo le?
5. Cong jidian dao jidian ni zai gong zuo?
6. Ni na tian gong zuo?
7. Yihou, ni ke bu ke yi lai wo de fandian ma?
8. Ta wei sheme pao diao le ma?
9. Wo zuo de bu dui ma?
10. Waiguoren jingcang lai zhege difang ma?
Hope that helps!
My big linguistic hurdles are the words that they don't teach you in Chinese class. You know, the standard AMPing terms. FS, CBJ, BBBJ, Fire and Ice, rimjob, etc. (but I think I've figured out HJ.) Any help there folks?
Juno Audio
07-04-05, 10:03
Gentleman,
I found out something that is rather shocking and disturbing about BBS in China a few months ago, and I would like to share this information, maybe some of you already know about this.
I have always thought, that all the girls in BBS are self-willing professionals. So I had no problem acquiring their services. It's a business transaction anyway, they've got what I want, and I've got what they need. But this is so far from the truth.....well, at least half of the girls I've talked to anyway.
Few months ago I took out a fresh girl just came out from the village from a BBS I frequent. She happened to be the cousin of one of the girl I take out quite often. After our session in the hotel we just chatted. Out of curiosity I asked her if she knew what her cousin were doing in the city before she came out to the city to join her. Her reply was "no". Then I asked her if the "boss" had told her what she will be doing. And she said "no". The boss just told her and her family she will be working in a factory. So I inquired further as to what happened when she came out to the city and found out what she will be doing. Her face turned sad as she told me the following: "When my boss told me that I was going to be a prostitute, of course I refused. But I had no money and no way to go back home. And when I didn't do what the boss wanted, he would beat me, so I had to agree."
So I asked when and under what conditions can she go back home? She said when she had made 50,000 RMB, then, her boss will release her. Since that encounter I've talked with many BBS girls about how they ended up where they are. Less than half of them are self-willing participants, (because factories just don't pay). But the other half is like that first girl I talked to, they've been lied to by their bosses to come out to do something they would never wanted to do at the first place, should they have known.
Such injustice! I am both saddened and outraged by my discoveries. I felt really sad for these girls, yet I am powerless to do anything for them. Most of these girls were holding back tears when they told me their experiences. The LE is too corrupt to do anything because they are being paid off by the bosses to look the other way.
I’ve already made up my mind not to visit BBS anymore, not that by my action anything will be accomplished, but I don’t want to be contributing to this injustice. My hope here is that maybe some of you might be influential enough (know people in high places) to begin to put an end to this tragedy.
JA
There must be some more words for BBS, or? ?The Chinese term for the BBS that we are talking about is Fa lang translated as Hair saloon.
I posted that child pschology was not a suitable topic on a "men seeking sex" site, so I requested the posts be deleted. Thank you to the administration for removing them. Thank you to those guys who said the discussion was "inappropriate" for this site, I now totally agree.
I also have a new concern. Call me naive, but I never gave much consideration to the possibility that there may be kids out there who enter this site and read our posts. I now think my name Santa may bring unwanted attention. I see some other names that may also inadvertantly attract kids.
I need to change my name. How do I do that?
Would somebody please translate for member 2255. I would, but my chinese isn't so good and I fear I would get half of them wrong.
Asian Rain
07-04-05, 18:42
Her face turned sad as she told me the following: "When my boss told me that I was going to be a prostitute, of course I refused. But I had no money and no way to go back home. And when I didn't do what the boss wanted, he would beat me, so I had to agree."
So I asked when and under what conditions can she go back home? She said when she had made 50,000 RMB, then, her boss will release her.
JA
I don't mean to be unsympathetic, but such stories do not ring completely true. Ask yourself one simple question, if the girl or - more likely - her family was not benefitting from the transaction, then why would these girls stay in such work? Were they all duped and kidnapped against their will?
From the "lowest" of brothels like old k11 in Phnom Penh to the "swankest" karaoke places in Singapore, the story is largely the same. Girls - or thier families - get into financial trouble and working in a "factory" is the easiest way out. Why else would families send sisters, cousins, etc. if there was no benefit? Before crying "injustice," you might consider to dig deeper into the root causes of how these girls came to be employed. Don't just talk to the girls, why don't you talk to the brothel owner as well? You might get a more complete picture of the relationship between employer and employee.
I don't think one should abandon their humanity, but one should seek out all the facts before making a conclusion. Anyway, this is an emotional subject which really belongs in the Ethics of Prostitution thread of the forum. This will just degrade into a saviours versus sinners flame war. I don't place myself in either category - especially as a poster to WSG.
Asian Rain
07-04-05, 18:49
I also have a new concern. Call me naive, but I never gave much consideration to the possibility that there may be kids out there who enter this site and read our posts. I now think my name Santa may bring unwanted attention. I see some other names that may also inadvertantly attract kids.
I need to change my name. How do I do that?
Santa, You have thought things out, apologized and deleted your posts. That is sufficient for most. Changing your name is overkill IMHO. Anyway, if you still want to change your name, just check out the FAQ and submit a request to Jackson. AR+
Juno Audio
07-04-05, 19:16
I don't mean to be unsympathetic, but such stories do not ring completely true. Ask yourself one simple question, if the girl or - more likely - her family was not benefitting from the transaction, then why would these girls stay in such work? Were they all duped and kidnapped against their will?
From the "lowest" of brothels like old k11 in Phnom Penh to the "swankest" karaoke places in Singapore, the story is largely the same. Girls - or thier families - get into financial trouble and working in a "factory" is the easiest way out. Why else would families send sisters, cousins, etc. if there was no benefit? Before crying "injustice," you might consider to dig deeper into the root causes of how these girls came to be employed. Don't just talk to the girls, why don't you talk to the brothel owner as well? You might get a more complete picture of the relationship between employer and employee.
I don't think one should abandon their humanity, but one should seek out all the facts before making a conclusion. Anyway, this is an emotional subject which really belongs in the Ethics of Prostitution thread of the forum. This will just degrade into a saviours versus sinners flame war. I don't place myself in either category - especially as a poster to WSG.Thanks for the comments AR. I've heard the stories from the south east Asian countries you mentioned. The family actually sell their daughters into this thing. That's another sad situation all in itself.
And as a matter of fact, I have talked to a couple of owners, they don't want to tell the families is because no Chinese fathers or mothers will let their daughters to be a prostitute, so they had to cover the truth. And yes, the family gets some monatary benefits, but it is a fraction of what the boss gets. I really don't have any problem with this trade industry, if all parties are willing participants.
I think what gets me angry is the initial "if you don't do this, I'll beat the shit out of you until you do" kind of thing between the boss and the girls, when the girls discover what the real job is.
JA
Cebu Local
07-04-05, 23:21
Gentleman,
I found out something that is rather shocking and disturbing about BBS in China a few months ago, and I would like to share this information, maybe some of you already know about this.
I have always thought, that all the girls in BBS are self-willing professionals. So I had no problem acquiring their services. It's a business transaction anyway, they've got what I want, and I've got what they need. But this is so far from the truth.....well, at least half of the girls I've talked to anyway.
Few months ago I took out a fresh girl just came out from the village from a BBS I frequent. She happened to be the cousin of one of the girl I take out quite often. After our session in the hotel we just chatted. Out of curiosity I asked her if she knew what her cousin were doing in the city before she came out to the city to join her. Her reply was "no". Then I asked her if the "boss" had told her what she will be doing. And she said "no". The boss just told her and her family she will be working in a factory. So I inquired further as to what happened when she came out to the city and found out what she will be doing. Her face turned sad as she told me the following: "When my boss told me that I was going to be a prostitute, of course I refused. But I had no money and no way to go back home. And when I didn't do what the boss wanted, he would beat me, so I had to agree."
So I asked when and under what conditions can she go back home? She said when she had made 50,000 RMB, then, her boss will release her. Since that encounter I've talked with many BBS girls about how they ended up where they are. Less than half of them are self-willing participants, (because factories just don't pay). But the other half is like that first girl I talked to, they've been lied to by their bosses to come out to do something they would never wanted to do at the first place, should they have known.
Such injustice! I am both saddened and outraged by my discoveries. I felt really sad for these girls, yet I am powerless to do anything for them. Most of these girls were holding back tears when they told me their experiences. The LE is too corrupt to do anything because they are being paid off by the bosses to look the other way.
I’ve already made up my mind not to visit BBS anymore, not that by my action anything will be accomplished, but I don’t want to be contributing to this injustice. My hope here is that maybe some of you might be influential enough (know people in high places) to begin to put an end to this tragedy.
JA
Hi JA
Another point of view,By patronizing her,you help her raise the 50,000 RMB she needs.The more quickly she earns,the more quickly she becomes free of her boss.If you want to help her,you can either patronize her more frequently or if you really are a samaritan,give her train fare home.But i wouldnt do this unless you know her really well.It could be a sob story to get more money from you.Just my viewpoint.Personally I have helped a FEW girls get out of this life,but I have also been FOOLED also.Exercise caution
Comrade 2255
07-05-05, 02:10
Hope that helps!
My big linguistic hurdles are the words that they don't teach you in Chinese class. You know, the standard AMPing terms. FS, CBJ, BBBJ, Fire and Ice, rimjob, etc. (but I think I've figured out HJ.) Any help there folks?
Thanks for the list.
You may find the following useful, thoughtfully posted by Comrade Goldwind a while back.
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here is what I have compiled, a list of useful terms during our hunting escapades. The ones in quotation marks are how each term should be pronounced in mandarin chinese. the numbers 1,2,3,4 represent the four connotations of mandarin chinese language. If you do not know what I am talking about, find yourself a reliable chinese friend and ask him.
Around the world: Anilingus and Fellatio. “Man4 You2 Shi4 Jie4”
ATF: All Time Favorite. “Zui4 Ai4”
Aunty: Menstruation or Period “Da4 Yi2 Ma2” or “Lao3 Peng2 You3”
Bareback: Without a condom. “Bu2 Dai4 Tao4”
BBBJ: Bareback Blow Job. “Bu2 Dai4 Tao4 Kou3 Jiao1”
BBBJTC: Bareback Blow Job To Completion. “Bu2 Dai4 Tao4 Kou3 Jiao1 He2 Kou3 Bao4”
BDSM: Bondage, Discipline, Sado-Masochism. “Kun3 Bang3 He2 Xing4 Nue4 Dai4”
[CodeWord137] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord137): Defecation on your partner. “Sa1 Niao4 Zai4 Shen1 Shang4”
BS: Body slide. “Shen1 Ti3 An4 Mo2”
CBJ: CBJ, Covered Blow Job. “Dai4 Tao4 Kou3 Jiao1”
CFS: Covered Full Service. “Dai4 Tao4 Xing4 Jiao1”
CIM: Cum in mouth. “Kou3 Bao4”
Cowgirl: Woman rides on top, knees astride. “Nv3 Zai4 Shang4 Ti3 Wei4”
DATY: Dining at the Y, Cunnilingus. “Wei4 Nv3 Zi3 Kou3 Jiao1”
Deep throat: Fellatio where the whole length of the penis is swallowed. “Sheng1 Hou2”
DFK: Deep French Kissing, kissing with tongue “Fa3 Guo2 Shi4 Qin1 Wen3”
Doggie Style: Intercourse position where woman is on her hands and knees, man enters from behind. “Gou3 Pa1 Shi4 Xing4 Jiao1”
FS: Full Service. “Quan2 Tao4 Xing4 Jiao1”or "Qiao1 Da4 Bei4 (a jargon among working girls)"
Full meal deal: Full Service, Vaginal intercourse to completion
GFE: Girl Friend Experience. “Nv3 Peng2 You3 Jing1 Li4”
Greek: Anal Sex “Gang1 Jiao1”
Hand Job: Stimulation of the penis using hand and fingers. “Da3 Fei1 Ji1” or "Qiao1 Xiao3 Bei4 (a jargon among working girls)"
Missionary: Missionary position, Man on top during intercourse. “Chuan2 Jiao4 Shi4 Zi1 Shi4”
Rimming, Rimjob: Anilingus. “Tian3 Gang1 Men2”
Russian: Penis between her breasts “Ru3 Jiao1”
Sixty Nine, 69: “Liu4 Shi2 Jiu3 Ti3 Wei4”
goldwind
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This small graphic may help some in distinguishing those 4 tones. Personally I find the tones by far the most difficult part of learning the basics of Mandarin. Before I bought a phrase cassette to get the sounds right, I'd wonder why some shopkeepers would look at me strange when I would ask "duo shao qian?" (how much?) . Then I read somewhere that "da shou qiang?" is slang for jacking off. Can't help but wonder if that's what I was actually saying.
OldAsiaHand
07-05-05, 02:23
JA,
Typical story heard in Thailand where agents roam the countryside looking for talent, pay their way to the big city and girls are held until the debt is repaid, with ROI. Same story in Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan where foreign service providers must repay investments with a return before they are free to go. Passports are held as collateral. Most of these girls are found in the cheap brothels.
I am not certain if the above applies to BBS girls in China. I do know that agents can get a cut of the action. A HK friend whose girlfriend ran a BBS in Shenzhen told me her girls were from an agent, but free to leave at any time. A few girls I have asked say that they knew a friend working in the same shop and came on their own. I doubt that the boss would tell me the real situation if I asked. Your girl may have been telling you a sob story for more money. Who knows?
Sorry, but I will not join your BBS boycott. Life is full of injustice. Like you say, we are powerless to cure the world's ills.
Just my POV.
OAH
Juno Audio
07-05-05, 03:53
OAH, thanks for your comments, I'm not calling for a boycott, so there is no need to "not join".
Well, for my few months of research, this is what I found out. Certainly this does not apply to all BBS.
The boss goes to the village looking for talents, finds a family in need, ask the family to release the girl to his authority to work in a factory in the big city, pays the family the money the girl would make in a factory in advance, minus room and board. (which is a fraction of what the girl would actually make for the boss)
Then the boss brings this girl out to the city, tells her what she will be doing, of course she would refuse, then the boss beats her until she comply. This is done while she is locked in the house, and knowing she can't leave because she is locked in, and she doesn't have any money to do so anyway if she can get pass the door. Now the girl doesn't get any money from the job, because it's already been paid out to the family, and the family doesn't get the "real" amount, because they think their girl is working for peanuts in a factory. Is this injustice or what?
JA
Comrade 2255
07-05-05, 05:13
Gentleman,
I found out something that is rather shocking and disturbing about BBS in China a few months ago, and I would like to share this information, maybe some of you already know about this.
<snip>
JA
If that's true and not a ploy for sympathy then I think it's very disturbing.
Can any other Chinese-speakers confirm this at their local? Sex slavery is low down on the ethics scale to me, and I'd have to seriously reexamine my conscience before the next BBS visit if this is the norm.
While on the subject, can anyone post the Chinese script and/or toned pinyin for "are you being forced to work here?"
Juno Audio
07-05-05, 05:59
If that's true and not a ploy for sympathy then I think it's very disturbing.
Can any other Chinese-speakers confirm this at their local? Sex slavery is low down on the ethics scale to me, and I'd have to seriously reexamine my conscience before the next BBS visit if this is the norm.
While on the subject, can anyone post the Chinese script and/or toned pinyin for "are you being forced to work here?"2255,
I think this is out right sex slavery here. Someone has to stop these bosses.
I don't have the exact pinyin for your phrase, but you might try this: "ni shi bu shi zi yuan lai zhe li?" translation: "are you here on your own free will?"
JA
Juno Audio
07-05-05, 06:16
Hi JA
Another point of view,By patronizing her,you help her raise the 50,000 RMB she needs.The more quickly she earns,the more quickly she becomes free of her boss.If you want to help her,you can either patronize her more frequently or if you really are a samaritan,give her train fare home.But i wouldnt do this unless you know her really well.It could be a sob story to get more money from you.Just my viewpoint.Personally I have helped a FEW girls get out of this life,but I have also been FOOLED also.Exercise cautionThanks bro.
JA
Comrade 2255
07-05-05, 08:17
Well, for my few months of research, this is what I found out. Certainly this does not apply to all BBS.
<snip>
JA
I found a real doll in Shanghai a while back, early 20's, for 300 FS at a reasonably clean apartment near her BBS. I'd be embarrassed to tell how much I was tipping her (OK, 700 on each of the 2 visits but I've no regrets. Cute as, sweet smile, unrushed, real GFE, blah blah) but at the conclusion of the second visit she said a fractured "thank you goodbye" which she hadn't the first visit. On the third visit she was gone, and the remaining crew (all very ordinary and stonefaced looking) wrote something down at my insistence which the hotel translated as "gone back to hubei" (a province out west, I guess a 1.5 hr flight). I checked the place a few times over the following month and there was no sign of her return.
Anyway, the point of my ramblings is that you'd expect a working girl who has found a crazy foreigner-cum-ATM customer to hang around for more, wouldn't you? I wonder if I actually "helped" her "escape"?
One other thing, isn't forced prostitution an executable offence in China?
Juno Audio
07-05-05, 10:30
Anyway, the point of my ramblings is that you'd expect someone who has found a crazy foreigner-cum-ATM customer you'd hang around, wouldn't you? I wonder if I actually "helped" her "escape"?
One other thing, isn't forced prostitution an executable offence in China?Well, good for her. I don't know Chinese laws, but I hope that is an executable offense. But then again, the lazy LE has to get off their butts and catch these bastards first.
JA
Cebu Local
07-05-05, 23:06
Well, good for her. I don't know Chinese laws, but I hope that is an executable offense. But then again, the lazy LE has to get off their butts and catch these bastards first.
JA
I asked my Shanghai friend to ask their company lawyer and [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) is an executable offense.Enforcement is a different matter
Most of the girls I have seen at the BBS in China seemed to be able to walk away if they wanted to, but maybe the boss would be able to go to the family and demand return payment, etc. I would guess that only a few of these gals have been forced into prostitution and most of them are content with their jobs. Why? Because it's easier than factory work and pays better.
I think it is better to try to deal with freelancers if you can. Avoid male pimps. I hate male pimps. Fucking parasites! Mamas are better because I think they are more sympathetic to the needs of the gals.
This problem of abusive and coersive pimps is not new in the world of prostitution. There have been lots of news reports about gals being kidnapped, forced and abused in many countries.
I have read about university graduates in Ukraine, that are kidnapped while being interviewed for a secretarial job and then smuggled to a foreign brothel.
This abuse is true not only in prostitution. In America and Europe, illegal immigrants work long hours for very low wages, in restaurants and other businesses, to pay off the cost of being smuggled into the country. Their families back home will pay a heavy price if they cut and run.
Most of this is conducted by triads and mafia type gangs of thugs.
I'm not an expert on this shit, just my perspective.
OldAsiaHand
07-06-05, 11:28
Santa,
I also hate the bastards and never patronize a BBS run by a papasan either. The lao ban yangs always seem to do a better job of training the girls, the rooms are always cleaner, they do not watch the clock as much, etc.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
07-06-05, 11:35
June Audio,
I am sure if this happens in other places, it happens in China, as well. I asked a Thai girl in Mongkok, Hong Kong, about her deal. She said she had to do 150 guys a month before she repaid her debt and started making money. I will ask a few more BBS girls when I meet/do them, but I am not sure if they will tell the truth from fear of reprecussions (sp?). I will post my findings.
OAH
Bob Builder
07-06-05, 12:02
From your reports, I don't hear one of your selection criteria as quizzing the gal wether she owes money or not or the % cut she gets.
Just cos the supposed "lao ban leung" is a woman does not means she really owns or controls the place or the girls. There is a reason that a woman usually does the sales as men seem less threatened by them and they can get away with a lot of situations that 2 males get a fight over. Why do you think there are more mamasans than papasans when logic would conclude that it would be mre sensible to have a papasan who could try out all the girls and tell you what their skills are? Its like saying a clothing store is owned by a woman because the sales girl is female.
Of course, most (all) of vice is controlled by triads, its not really a trade where many normal people get into, no matter how many people talk about doing it.
From my experience women owners give as little shit about their gals as men do. Smarter ones know that a happy horse is a profitable one.
Juno Audio
07-06-05, 12:59
Wow, I thought this was something in the past, but was I wrong! I did a search on the internet as soon as one of the bro here mentioned this name. It is a world wide phenomenon, alive and well in China. The article I've read says non of the countries that has the problem would admit they have this problem within their borders.
This is one of those things that lets you know how fortunate you are!
JA
Juno Audio
07-06-05, 17:48
From your reports, I don't hear one of your selection criteria as quizzing the gal wether she owes money or not or the % cut she gets.Bob,
I guess in your mind if one of these two are true, then it's OK to enslave someone for prostitution.
JA
JA, one of the easy way to tell whether the story is true or not is to look at the girls' cell phones. I had girls telling me their sad stories of life while typing away SMS on a $600 Razor from Motorola. I have yet to see a real case in China.
Most girls come to cities knowingly what they will get into. A lot of them are recruited by their relatives already working there. I doubt many of the bosses would actually go to the countryside to look for talent while there are plenty of them waiting in the cities.
The girls are trying to maximize their earning in the shortest time. A couple years in the cities will earn them good money, they can go home opening their own small shops and marry some guys who had no idea what they did in the cities.
Vanity is the sin.
Wow, I thought this was something in the past, but was I wrong! I did a search on the internet as soon as one of the bro here mentioned this name. It is a world wide phenomenon, alive and well in China. The article I've read says non of the countries that has the problem would admit they have this problem within their borders.
This is one of those things that lets you know how fortunate you are!
JA
Probably most mamas and papas do not own their shops, they rent them. Maybe organized criminals own the shops and collect rent, or they force the mama or papa to pay them a cut as protection money.
This is the problem with prostitution, these parasitic pimps play middleman.
I believe men are genetically and culturally more prone to crime and violence. So I think the papas are more likely to be abusive, and less sympathetic to the gals needs. It is better to deal directly with the gal if you can. If you visit barbershops, then avoid the ones where the male pimps work. Just my opinion.
Maybe in a ktv you can get the gals number and have her meet you privately, that way you can reduce the amount the middle pimps receive.
I saw a story on the BBC News a few years back about prostitutes in Bangkok wanting the government to legalize and license their profession. They also wanted to form unions. The thai gals said if their trade were legalized there would be less crime, etc. Of course, the government rejected their request.
Do you guys think prostitution should be legalized in Thailand or China, or ever will be? Should it be?
Santa,
I believe you are a nice guy, but you really don't know what you are talking about.
Mamasans can be just as brutal as male pimps. I know of 4 girls whose first pimps were their female cousins and aunts, and they kept the biggest part of the take. Male pimps often play out the love card more than the violence card.
there is pretty much no industry which has been more incorrectly documented by journalists than prostitution. I know the stories of quite a few girls in quite a few countries. Many are less sinister than you would think.
In most places you can get plenty of girls along the "hooked on drugs", "doing it for love of a boyfriend" or just out to make some extra money that forcible pimping and unwanted [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) (a lot of girls ask to be trafficked for purposes of pursuing prostitution in another country).
Men have the advantage of being able to play the love card, and also being physically larger than most girls, so that the threat of violence is more ominous, but there is no genetic predisposition to men to be more violent, especially not in the sex trade.
Regarding the legalisation of prostitution and the effect it has on women.
In germany prostitution has not been illegal for quite a while, but a year and a half ago it was taken out of the status of "immoral contracts". This meant women could register themselves as prostitutes adn pay taxes and be in a union and enjoy all the social benefits like pension and such. You know how many prostitutes in all of Germany took advantage of this....134! That is it!
These girls are in a cash business where Gross=Nett, so no one is going to get into the legal nature of it.
Decriminalizing prostitution and allowing for brothels along the lines of FKK's in Germany or Thermas in Brazil provide a better atmosphere for the women to work in. In FKK's the women pay a daily or weekly entrance fee, and then all the money they get from the men (who also pay an entry fee) is theirs to keep. The house does have strict policies for what the expected level of service is and what the exact prices that the women can charge are. This is what makes it a fair deal for the women adn the men.
Hope that clears you up a little, no go back and try and save another part of the world. You paranoid woman!
Tequila Kid
07-07-05, 20:57
Nothing big happens in China without the PRC/PLA's participation. To a large extent, prostitution is institutionalized in China, tacitly endorsed by the government officials who are "incentivized" to look the other way.
(for special events - the police conduct crackdowns but give prior warning their benefactors)
Since the PRC/PLA is never far from the action, I speculate not much serious crime involving the women exists.
Given the abundance of labor - talent scouts need not steal girls from the countryside, holding them hostage until they payoff 'relocation and housing' expenses.
The PRC/PLA does not tolerate organized crime like the governments in Thailand and Japan. Something like the Yakuza cannot exist in China.
So I think legalizing prostitution in China may not change things for the women.
But legalizing prostitution in Thailand offers some promise in improving the lives of the women involved. Giving the women opportunities to invest in legitimate businesses back home, pay for a sibling’s education, save for retirement, and many other things not possible when organized crime is involved.
Just my opinion.
TK
When I read the newspapers and watch the TV news I notice that most of the crime is committed by men. Men make up the vast majority of the prison populations. That makes me think it is probable that men are more inclined to crime because of our genetics, hormones and cultural learning.
I may be wrong, but i think women are usually more caring and honest than men, and less inclined to crime. Am I right?
I don't know about the inside business world of pimping. Never tried that line of work. Maybe it is true that the mamas are no better than the male pimps. As I said, my belief that the mamas are better is "only my opinion", I have no proof. I've met some mamas who were vicious bitches. However, I have mostly learned to dislike and distrust male pimps.
I don't understand why Peter ends his post by being sarcastic. Hey Pete, is that a standard practice of yours? We are friends here, ok?
Bob Builder
07-08-05, 04:10
Nothing like the Yakuza exists in China? Have you been to China? When you go to a nightclub and see someone show up with 20-30 guys dress in black, do you think Will Smith just arrived?
Legalizing prostitution will make everything better? I bet when a pro shows her union card to a triad or the local Boan collecting protection moeny they will run in the other direction. LE FUCK FOR FREE! Just because you make something legal doesn't mean that the gals will automatically use their money to support family, etc. Maybe next time you after you guys have shot your load you should give the gal a lecture on what a bad thing she is doing and a quick course on investing in the share market to maximize their investments. I personally have contributed to the better living standards of hundreds of villages in Sichuan, Wuhan, Guangxi, Guaungdong, etc. with my donations.
Thailand probably has the most reported incidents of children sold into prostitution in any Asian country. In China, IMHO gals enter into the trade knowingly if not willingly for economic purposes.
For every one of the gals that you get a sob story from, I get one that basically says that a lot of gals find it an easier life doing ST for RMB100 a pop that working in a factory for RMB600 a month. Flexible working hours, high hourly pay and lots of girls the same age to hang out with. Most that I have met give me a story which sounds closer to the truth that they have a friend who worked there and came to visit them or kept in contact after they
left the factory who convinced them to try it once. Some carry on, some don't. Just remember these are normally village girls with low education who are not planning for their future whose first sexual experience was a quicky in some cabbage patch back home or the storeroom of a factory. There are some that knowingly sell their virginity for RMB2000+ which is enough for them to "play" for quite a while or buy the latest Nokia anyway.
Get over it or get out of the game! In one way or another most gals have to pay someone else a cut to keep working.
I'm not taking sides regarding legalization. I just threw the question at you guys to get your opinions.
I've heard that legalization has been a success in Amsterdam. Is that true or false? Is it possible, say in 50 years from now, it will be legal in China or Thailand and with very little organized crime. Is that impossible?
Bob Builder, Peter and Tequila Kid. I enjoy reading your very interesting replies.
Bob Builder
07-08-05, 07:29
You made a wrong choice by quoting Amsterdam as an example. Yes it is legal but a lot of the workers are virtual sex slaves from third world countries. Fake marriage arranged by people connected to the underworld, then working in a shop window for free. Next you will say there is no organized crime in Holland. Just like there in no corruption in the US.
By its nature however any govt tries to regulate or legalise prostitution, criminal elements end up controlling it as it is a great cash business anywhere in the world. Just because you can't get arrested for being or using a 'ho doesn't mean that girls aren't coerced into working or being ripped off. Even working girls in Western countries wither working out of home or SWs have pimps "looking after them".
OldAsiaHand
07-08-05, 11:16
I asked 3 BBS girls in Shenzhen this week what their story was. All three said that they knew someone from their hometown working in the shop already before they arrived. They told me they were free to leave anytime.
OAH
Which nightclubs are you hanging out? I have yet to see that other then HK's movies. They don't even do that in Hongkong!
[QUOTE=Bob Builder]Nothing like the Yakuza exists in China? Have you been to China? When you go to a nightclub and see someone show up with 20-30 guys dress in black, do you think Will Smith just arrived?
[QUOTE]
Santa,
I got sarcastic because most of the posts I have read from you have had some sort of "let's save the world" aspect to them. You complained about the pics in this section which you thought degraded women, and now you are trying to better the world. Very few people on this board know much about the world behind the girls, and most shouldn't even worry about it. Be nice to the girls, pay them their fairly earned money and that is the best thing you can do for them. It is not like Child Porn where if people stop asking for it maybe it will save other kids from being exploited.
Amsterdam is not really a success. There is still a lot of "off the books" prostitution going on, and there are still criminal networks who help in providing new girls to the market. Most of these girls know what they are getting into. In Europe with high unemployment rates and poverty in Eastern Europe you find plenty of girls who want to earn money the easy way.
The only effect that legalisation has had is that the level of service that the men receive tends to go down.
It is a good idea to establish areas where prostitution is tolerated. This keeps it of residential areas, or places where it should not be. If the establishments have a decent atmosphere and a well laid out price structure and expected service level, then it becomes a much better deal for the men and the women.
Bob Builder
07-09-05, 02:15
Just because you have never seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Why do you think there has been a crackdown on traids in Hong Kong over the last few months after a large group openly gave the cops shit in the street and basically told them to fuck off. I've also seen a fight in China where someone pulled a gun and shots were fired in front of a very popular 4 star hotel.
Tell that poor bastard who got chopped at the HK Sevens that this shit only happens in the movies and if it does happen, not to foreigners.
Which nightclubs are you hanging out? I have yet to see that other then HK's movies. They don't even do that in Hongkong!
[QUOTE=Bob Builder]Nothing like the Yakuza exists in China? Have you been to China? When you go to a nightclub and see someone show up with 20-30 guys dress in black, do you think Will Smith just arrived?
[QUOTE]
I have been to Amsterdam only once. It was many many years ago, and I got very bad service. I saw an american news show called 60 Minutes where they talked about Amsterdam's legalized prostitution, claiming it was something of a success. Otherwise, I know fuck all about Amsterdam. I was only asking for your opinion. Success? True or false.
We all know that there are a lot of thugs and arseholes who seek profits be trying to control the world of prostitution. That's why I dislike pimps. I didn't bring those ethical issues up. Others asked about trafficking.
I asked about legalizing prostitution. Is it possible? Would it solve problems? Would it work? Should it happen? Could it happen in China? I'm not saying it should or could, only asking for your opinions and thanking you for your interesting replies.
I'm not trying to "save the world". The world is what it is and, to quote Popeye, "I yam what I yam". Just like you guys, just another monger.
Ethics, or morality, is a function of language, therefore it is unique to our species. The lions and the wilderbeast do not discuss what is right or wrong, because they cannot.
The caveman discovered ethics at the same time he discovered language. They learned to argue about what is right or wrong and who owns this and that. Prostitution evolved at the same time. With language came the ability to trade this for that. The first pimp said "she belongs to me and I'll let you rent her for that".
Ethics is relative. What is right in one community is wrong in another. That is also true on the individual level. What you think is wrong, maybe I think is right.
Ethics is important to all of us, all day and in every situation. Should I leave a tip or buy a round of drinks are ethical issues.
The fact that I like to talk about ethics and morality does not show that I'm some snooty, prudish snob or that I want to "change the world".
Sometimes I voice my opinion, but it's only my perspective. I'm mostly interested in your opinions so I might see the world from your perspective.
For me this is mostly just an intellectual curiosity.
Does that help? Do you see where I'm coming from? I'm not the church lady that some of you might think I am.
OK, Wittgenstein.
I am not going to get into a philosophical discussion on the origins of ethics, and whether it is related to languiage, or cognition, and what makes people different than animals (it is a lot more than language).
Fair enough, that there is an intellectual curiosity to your posts.
I have adequately answered what the possibilities of legalisation (or better decriminilisation) are. But for anything like that to be successful the expectations of service and price of the customer (the men) has to be at least as important as the hopes of the women. If not you have a situation where the women join together to try and rip off the customers (Most Red Light Districts worldwide or Nevada Brothels). This might make it legal, and give women the idea that they have to do a lot less for their money, but it is a shitty situation for men, and they will seek illegal opportunities which undercut the price and offer more service.
Brasilian Thermas and German FKK's are among the only situations in the world that offer such value for money for the men, and a clear stream of reliable income for the girls that they make most other forms of pay sex in those areas obsolete. Check out those sections on this forum for more research.
Pay sex seems to be quite tolerated in China. No one is closing down the Barbershops ( a couple of raids here and there to maintain the moral authority of the police and government is not a crackdown), and I have yet to be to a hotel that did not offer tonnes of service via the sauna and Health Center. KTV's seem to be a very openly tolerated form of pay sex in china, and the girls seem pretty happy to work there, because for one LT they earn more than a factory girl for a whole month of work.
I think that is probably true. If it were legal, unionized, organized, regulated and so on, perhaps on the Amsterdam model, then the prices would go way up and the service would go way down.
It would probably take the fun out of the prowling around in search of a good time. Legally renting a gal just wouldn't be as much fun.
If the prices go up and the service goes down, then there will be other alternatives.
Many western european girls who had managed to get the prices up, and brought the service level down to an utter shit level complained when the eastern Europeans girls got into the business at the beginning of the 90's because they drove the prices way down adn offered much more and better service. Some adapted, some got out of the business.
Whenever you sell a service too expensive it is only a matter of time until someone undercuts you.
Legalizing it and overregulating it can lead to the bad service high price shit, but decriminalizing it and tolerating it can lead to a situation where more legitimate business models develop.
But China has that in KTV's and BBS's, so what do you want to achieve? KTV's are for the higher end of the market, and BBS are for the lower end.
But KTV's are getting a little tired, it is about time someone come up with a better idea. Sadly most of these really nice massage steam bath sauna places offer no more than a HJ in the rooms, otherwise those would be a great set up.
Juno Audio
07-10-05, 07:52
But KTV's are getting a little tired, it is about time someone come up with a better idea. Sadly most of these really nice massage steam bath sauna places offer no more than a HJ in the rooms, otherwise those would be a great set up.Peter,
It sounded like you haven't been to a lot of places in China. Most of the really nice saunas I've been to have a nice size room, two persons bed, TV, (and that's not the VIP room yet), and of course FS.
JA
Bob Builder
07-11-05, 01:21
Peter,
There are a lot of those nice saunas that do offer FS but it is a matter of finding out where they are. In Shenzhen at Sha Tsui or Ha Sha it is more difficult to actually find one that offers a legit massage. A general rule is normallly the better looking the girl the worse the massage.
In Dongguan there are many places such as in Hou Jie or Changan that offer the "one dragon package" as it is referred to in Chinese where they spend over an hour licking every orifice of your body including rimming and toe sucking. Unfortunately, I have only been taken to these joints with local friends when we jump in a car and they say we are going for a ride to a "special place".
Juno,
I have been virtually everywhere in China except Canton. Harbin, Shandong, Jiangsu, Sichuan, Zhejiang, Fujian, Sanya, Hefei, Chonquing, Beijing, shanghai and Dalian.
The bigger coastal cities have nice saunas, but rarely with the TV in the room and stuff, that has been mostly the VIP rooms in the hotel health centers.
I don't know what to ask for for FS, because I only speak 10 words of mandarin. I also don't have any mongering buddies.
I do like the massaging and rimming I get from some girls, especially the rimming, which is tough to get in other countries. I like the hot ans Cold BJ's too. I think the HJ's you get in China are among the best in the world, but until now I hae not been blown away with the actual sex ability of providers compared ot those I know in Germany. I really like the HJ's in China at the end of a 90 minute massage, where they stroke your ass, gently rub your nuts and stroke the shaft until you explode, and then they giggle. they do that well, but they fuck like dead starfish, and I only found one that really liked me to go down on her, and who wass genuinely clean and pleasant around the lower areas.
Lustforthrust
07-12-05, 04:57
new pundong airport have the new speed train to town have not try
it yet cost is very high $ 16.00 usd one way.
its pudong and rmb 40/trip. last ride is at 5pm.
But if you have an etix it will cost you 50 RMB, because those don't count for the discount. The train is amazing, but it doesn't really get you anyplace useful in town. From there you have to take a cab again, but it does get you past a lot of the traffic Jam, and 400 km/h is pretty cool.
Member #4038
07-12-05, 08:08
the bullet train connects pudong airport with long yang subway station. if you have yet to try this train, it is advisible that you have a try to experience that speed. the monitor in the train shows the fastest speed reach up to 438kilometers/hour and it takes 7 minutes from the airport to the subway station or vice versa. you can then take taxi or subway to other parts of the town.
the ticket is rmb 5o for single trip. if you carry a same day flight ticket, then with discount, the price can be lowered to rmb 40 for single trip.
hope this helps.
but if you have an etix it will cost you 50 rmb, because those don't count for the discount. the train is amazing, but it doesn't really get you anyplace useful in town. from there you have to take a cab again, but it does get you past a lot of the traffic jam, and 400 km/h is pretty cool.
If you take the bullet train--actually the magnetic levitation, or maglev--be advised that when you arrive, the taxi drivers are thieves, and that the maglev station is nowhere near anything else in Pudong.
If you take the bullet train--actually the magnetic levitation, or maglev--be advised that when you arrive, the taxi drivers are thieves, and that the maglev station is nowhere near anything else in Pudong.
Well, the Maglev Pudung Station is right next to the Subway. So that is sort of convenient. It's also right next to a Metro Supermarket if you like shopping for western food items which are impossible to get in other parts of China.
Whenever I leave SH I stop at that Metro Shop and fill up on Salami, Morzarella and whatever they got....
But otherwise it's no point taking the Maglev. It's faster to go by the cheap minibus which goes actually near your hotel.
Did any of you come across any 'arm grabbers'?
Often I take BBS girls for take out to my hotel. Some walk next to me, some walk behind me. Some ask for the room number and come later. But some grab my arm and we walk arm in arm back to the hotel. Sort of like a GF or a wly wedded wife.
So far every single arm grabber was fantastic in bed. Really 100% GF material and sweet.
You may keep that bit of knowledge for reference.
New York Times. Tuesday,July12.
Shanghai Journal.
A City's Traffic Plans Are Snarled by China's Car Culture.
The city is expanding it's subway grid well beyond the 310 miles of track first planned. Two new lines are being added to the original 15, along with another 192 miles of track..........there are not enough trains, etc.......
Shanghai is a city planner's nightmare and a car salesman's dream.....
Also.
New York Times. Monday, July 4.
Hollywood Movie studios see the Chinese Film Market as Their Next Rising Star.
Shanghai. Hollywood has seen the future and it is China.....
Time-Warner is opening 70 new cinemas in China..... etc. All of the Hollywood companies are signing joint ventures.....etc.
New movies. Watch out for "The White Countess", filmed in Shanghai and "The Promise", which at $35 million is the most expensive Chinese language film yet made in China......etc.
Nice Guy 99
07-13-05, 13:04
It's also right next to a Metro Supermarket if you like shopping for western food items which are impossible to get in other parts of China.
Whenever I leave SH I stop at that Metro Shop and fill up on Salami, Morzarella and whatever they got....
You found cheese in China! I cannot find it anywhere in Chongqing.
Anybody knows where I can get morzzarella cheese, cold cuts like salami or prosciutto in GZ area, including Panyu?
Thanks,
Bill
Well, the Maglev Pudung Station is right next to the Subway. So that is sort of convenient. It's also right next to a Metro Supermarket if you like shopping for western food items which are impossible to get in other parts of China.
Whenever I leave SH I stop at that Metro Shop and fill up on Salami, Morzarella and whatever they got....
But otherwise it's no point taking the Maglev. It's faster to go by the cheap minibus which goes actually near your hotel.
So, you want cheese more then sex. OK.
Metro in SH has a very good selection. In fact, the had several types of Morzarella. I bought a 1Kg pack which was curiousily made in China (quality was good).
I have no idea about Chongqing. GZ has probably better chances. Check the japanese department stores.
I know that Seibu in Shenzhen has also a very good food hall.
Good luck!
OldAsiaHand
07-15-05, 13:12
Bill,
There are a couple of those imported food product shops in Guangzhou. Olivers the HK outfit has one near the Ramada and a satellite shop in Panyu with a reasonable variety of cheeses. There is another Australian shop in TianHe district and both the Garden and China hotels have deli counters with a few meats and cheeses.
OAH
Thanks all.
See you in December.
Bill
Bill,
There are a couple of those imported food product shops in Guangzhou. Olivers the HK outfit has one near the Ramada and a satellite shop in Panyu with a reasonable variety of cheeses. There is another Australian shop in TianHe district and both the Garden and China hotels have deli counters with a few meats and cheeses.
OAH
Nice Guy 99
07-16-05, 01:55
NG99 bows in the direction of OAH ...
No one knows a potential source of cheese in Chongqing? I thought for sure Carrefour would have it but no luck. (French store ... no cheese?? zut alors!!) If I could only find some way to deal with the air pollution and find a source for cheese I could live happily ever after in CKG ....
Rascal,
After I read your latest post about freedom I almost wanted to put on my "I love George Bush" t-shirt.
First of all the mongers here know we have more freedom than you do sitting in the United States. We engage in the hobby knowing that we are never in danger of being nailed by the police for sneaking into some AMP or picking up a SW who's actually a cop.
Secondly, it was you, not we, who first suggested that another member stop posting. If you don't like Sugar Baba's photos, then don't look at them. It's that simple. SB is not monopolizing the site. He has no way of posting any more or any fewer photos than any other member. He seems to be having a lot more sex and taking a lot more photos than other members, especially, in this case, you.
I've posted photos on ISG/WSG. You haven't. Therefore, instead of whining, why not make a contribution? If you don't like what's being posted, then why not show us how it's done?
Silver Shadow
07-20-05, 21:37
SugaBaBa has every right to post his photos and to entertain those of us who are not jealous or wannabes. If each person who bitched about his submissions submitted their own positive examples, maybe we would have the start of a discussion.
Rather, they tend to complain about him, and ignore those who can't even get their girls to undress. Perhaps we need a new thread for SB, so as not to offend those who are upset.
My guess is that they would find the new submissions, and continue to complain.
Listen guys, do we really have to disuss about cheese and mozarella on the China picture thread ? We already had Sugar Baba invading three consecutive pages to introduce the same girl on a post stam format polaroid, now it is cheese. What next ? Merde alors !! Can we have some fresh pictures of big Chongqing boobies please ? Merci.
Intransit,
At least I have the right and ability to publicly voice my opinion for or against anyone who is in political control. Try doing that in China or many other countries. I am not the only one who thinks the photo gallery has become diluted with so many identical pictures where you can't even see who it is.
Cebu Local
07-20-05, 23:08
With all due respect,Questions about cheese and none sex related topics are well within the area of general information.
SB,
I know I'm just a n00b, but I really appreciate your posts. These other clowns may ***** and moan about them, but I haven't seen any photos from most of them. A classic case of beggars wanting to choose.
Thanks SB.
lcr
Nice Guy 99
07-21-05, 03:28
Listen guys, do we really have to disuss about cheese and mozarella on the China picture thread ?
Erik ... it's not the China picture thread ... it's the General Info thread.
Works for me ... don't like it (?) don't look.
Where can I get some French cheese around where you are?
Pictures of big Chongqing boobies? You're on the wrong board. Better move back to the photo gallery board.
Just kidding. After all, this is the general info. I guess anything goes here. Including getting some of the other comforts of life, like good cheese.
Hope to run into you one day.
Bill
Listen guys, do we really have to disuss about cheese and mozarella on the China picture thread ? We already had Sugar Baba invading three consecutive pages to introduce the same girl on a post stam format polaroid, now it is cheese. What next ? Merde alors !! Can we have some fresh pictures of big Chongqing boobies please ? Merci.
Lustforthrust
07-21-05, 13:38
2% for now, not much ;)
I know this is slightly off-subject but whenever I travel to China on Business I try to stock up on cheap DVD's.
Can anyone direct me to some well stocked shops to go in Beijing and Shanghai?
ps. There are a lot of shopping bargains to be had in China so I was thinking of starting a new thread "Shopping in China" but for some reason I am not authorised. maybe someone else wants to try?
Thanks for feedback on the above.
Gualtier Malde
07-22-05, 23:44
I know this is slightly off-subject but whenever I travel to China on Business I try to stock up on cheap DVD's.
Can anyone direct me to some well stocked shops to go in Beijing and Shanghai?
ps. There are a lot of shopping bargains to be had in China so I was thinking of starting a new thread "Shopping in China" but for some reason I am not authorised. maybe someone else wants to try?
Thanks for feedback on the above.Edonist,
If you are coming back to the US with counterfeit DVDs, you risk a *very* heavy fine if the DVDs are illegal copies. Like $10,000 per disk is what I've been told (haven't confirmed the amount, but my google searches indicate that many western countries have *extremely* stiff penalties *per disk* if you are caught).
If the disks are pirated, leave them in Shanghai.
Travel Dog
07-23-05, 12:44
David Xyzzy 1
I think you are really overreacting. The only thing that ever got conficated from me in 35 trips to China was an Apple that I got on the plane.
If you want to bring back a lot of DVDs just remove the packaging and put them in a cd case. If you're bringing only a few I doubt you'll have any problem even with the packaging. If you get asked tell the truth, you bought a few movies to watch.
TD
SE Asia Joe
07-25-05, 09:06
Anybody here knows about abortions in China?
I know that its quite common - but what exactly is the procedure in China?
I.E. Dilation and Curration (I think most abortions in the U.S. is D&C)? Pharmacogical (abortion pill)? Costs - in Shenzhen? Duration of procedure/and or hospital stay? Paperwork etc.
Appreciate any insight you can give.
Thanks
SE Asia Joe
Superforce99
07-25-05, 13:07
Hey SE Joe,
Unfortunately, I had the experience of getting a gal pregnant and having her go through an abortion in Shenzhen a couple years back. From what I remember, and I'm not 100% clear, these are the details:
-she and I went to the Beijing University Hospital, which is probably the best hospital in Shenzhen; clean, modern, and the wait is not bad
-she used her own ID, paid the 3 RMB registration fee, then went to wait her turn on the 4th (?) floor with lots of other hot women getting ready for their own abortions...it was fun for us to guess which was a second wife, third wife, hooker, and unfortunate one-night stand victims...
-cost was 400 for the surgical proceedure, if I remember correctly, and it took about 30 minutes total, no overnight or observation necessary; doctor did give some prescription drugs for extra vitamins for loss of blood and some pills to aid sleep
-from the hospital, I learned that the hormone pill known as "emergency contraception" or "morning after pill" is available at the hosptial pharmacy as well as any general pharmacy in China for about 4 RMB. This particular piece of info has saved me multiple times since!
So, overall, quick, easy, no hassles. Who knew that I would be talking about abortion in China using those terms? Anyway, hope this helps.
Johnny
From the hospital, I learned that the hormone pill known as "emergency contraception" or "morning after pill" is available at the hosptial pharmacy as well as any general pharmacy in China for about 4 RMB. This particular piece of info has saved me multiple times since!
JohnnyHiya Johnny,
Do you remember the Chinese name to this "emergency contraception" or "morning after pill"? I dunno what they call it in Mandarin/Cantonese. HanYuPinYin version of the name of the drug will be helpful, so that don't have to go thru a lengthy explanation when at the genral pharmacy.
Appreciate your help on this. Thanks!
Hoeman
Gee Bill, thanks for that rousing display of low self-esteem.
What so many don't seem to understand is that the only person to whom this board truly belongs is Jackson. If he says it's cool or not cool, then that's the final word. If Jackson doesn't get involved, then it's fair play.
If I choose to mask the identity of the service providers I employ, that's my business. I would rather have them available than assist the Public Security Bureau in finding and prosecuting them. In this case, Yao Yao said she didn't mind if I put photos showing her face on the Internet, but I chose not to make her so readily identifiable.
The fact is, very few of us actually have photos to post, and based on the number of views, those photos are very popular. While some viewers are often critical of the nature or quality of photos, and they are entitled to that opinion, only a small number have added enough of their own photos to be in a position to comment in a meaningful manner.
"Give them your money so they can lead a better life." Well, I indeed do that. Did anyone say they're not?
Bill, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and to the expression thereof. But I have to ask without criticism: if you feel that prostitutes and johns are at the bottom of the totem pole, why are you a senior member on a board for exactly those people, and why do you seemingly engage in that lifestyle yourself? If I felt that way about this or any of my other pursuits, I'd be working on getting out of/away from it.
SE Asia Joe
07-26-05, 08:24
Abortion in Shenzhen
Hey SE Joe,
Unfortunately, I had the experience of getting a gal pregnant and having her go through an abortion in Shenzhen a couple years back. From what I remember, and I'm not 100% clear, these are the details:"
Many thanks Johnny - good to know that it's - as I had suspected - not such a big deal in China.
Anybody else got any more info?
Thanks
Joe
Bill Lee wrote : "As is, we are not gentlemen, we're johns paying for sex."
Speak for yourself, brother. I guess you'd have a point if we were in america, and picking up street crack ho's, who would take our money and buy a rock or a fix, but we're not. I'd say 95% of the girls I've shagged are just trying to make some money in a poor country that doesn't have a lot of opportunity for women. In my way of looking at things, these girls deserve the same respect as anyone else I run into during the course of my life. But that's just me.
I guess if someone comes onto a sex mongering site looking for advice on where to source cheese, nothing really surprises me anymore.
Comrade 2255
07-26-05, 10:00
Well put Intransit.
Those with low self-respect aren't likely to have much for others either I guess.
Cause I weak for pussy like all of yous. Weak motherf*cker that I am. And I love pussies like all you motherf*ckers.
Weak, weak, weak, weak.....
About...Give them your money so they can lead a better life." Well, I indeed do that. Did anyone say they're not?
So there are people on this board that just give away their money to the hos in hopes that they will lead a better life without screwing first? Hmmmm. That's a new one.
Just my humble opinion.
Bill
Bill, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and to the expression thereof. But I have to ask without criticism: if you feel that prostitutes and johns are at the bottom of the totem pole, why are you a senior member on a board for exactly those people, and why do you seemingly engage in that lifestyle yourself? If I felt that way about this or any of my other pursuits, I'd be working on getting out of/away from it.[/QUOTE]
So you would tell the world that you pay for hookers? First one to run into work and tell your female co-workers, bosses and relatives the same?
Are you ready to post your photo on the board?
This has nothing to do with self-respect. It's what we are; Weak For Pussy. BTW, most men are weak for pussy. So don't be ashame.
Bill (still very weak for pussy). Ah, the smell of it, I almost taste it. MMmmmm. Like my first taste and lick of a good yellowtail.
Well put Intransit.
Those with low self-respect aren't likely to have much for others either I guess.
OldAsiaHand
07-26-05, 15:41
Just though I would supplement my previously posted POV on this subject. We must not forget that these girls are service providers, there to satisfy our sexual fantasies for money. Albeit they are human beings and should not be subjected to physical or emotional pain (I still think SB may go too far with this sometimes), they are paid to service us. They are not wives or girlfiends. There is a fine line that needs to be drawn to define respect under these circumstances. I reckon that we all have differing perspectives on where this line is drawn. My personal take is that if they agree to let you take photos and do not mention any restrictions on using them, go ahead and post them. IMHO, the chance of PSB prosecution is slim to none in China. Having said that, if you want to alter your pics, go ahead.
I myself agree with Bill's "weak" theory. There is no question that I am addicted to mongering and not afaid to admit it, at least in this forum. Would I tell my boss, co-workers or relatives, absolutely not.
On a personal note, I can vouch for Bill after mongering with him on more than one occassion. He treats his service providers with as much respect as is required not to cross my line anyway.
Just my POV.
OAH
Bill,
If you need counseling, go get some, but don't slag off the rest of us who engage in this practice for whatever reason, and don't criticise the practices of others because you don't feel good about what's going on in your own life.
I treat every single woman I meet, regardless of profession, with respect. Yao Yao not only allowed me to take photos, not only said she didn't mind, but wanted me to post some so that she could increase her business. I've already answered PMs regarding her number and availability. So what's your suggestion, Bill? That I don't give it out?
First you say the board is "useless" because of the masking in the photos, then you say we should respect the service providers. Get your own head and message straight before you consider telling the rest of us what we should do.
My 2 cents.
I treat sex providers with respect, while I also know that they frequently are out to squeeze and cajole and manipulate me for maximum profit. In the US this is an real problem. I am actually not ashamed of liking one of life's great pleasures, sex with young soft cute girls with no strings. I think those who DON'T are missing the boat. Like a teetotaller who never tried fine wine, too bad for him.
Among men that I am not beholden to, e.g. a boss or parent, or some women, I have readily admitted I got laid with girls for pay. I showed them pictures and they universally agree it was a good fucking idea!
I would not do what S.Baba does perhaps but in the great scheme of things, "crimes" committed against providers by johns are few and far between compared to scams run against mongers by hookers.
"First you say the board is "useless" because of the masking in the photos, then you say we should respect the service providers. Get your own head and message straight before you consider telling the rest of us what we should do."
Well. if the photo board continues to have masked or mosiaced pics, I would not even bother looking at it. I rather see a pretty lass' face with clothes on than one, naked with her face masked. I fantasy better with a face than with a body part. BTW, that's a matter of opinion and not a fact.
I don't think I mentioned respect at all. Hmmmm. Not that I would treat them like shit. But we are what we are and they are what they are; johns and hos. Otherwise, this board would be like match.com or asianfriendfinder.com and not internationalsexguide.com.
Bill
(So weak for P*ssy)
What we do here in many countries is a crime. A crime. Not a service to the poor. What part of illegal don't you understand? Even in China, this is a crime. That's why we have boards like this so we can share information and not get caught or get the better part to the trade. I can't believe that you would think you're doing something good for the girls. Like I said, just give them your money and not f*ck them. Now that would be real decent of you. But I'll be in line to f*ck them as soon as they leave you.
BTW, I never talk about disrepecting any of the girls. I just don't understand why it's ever brought up. why is it even an issue. If SB likes using negative words in describing his pics and girls, let him. Who cares. I just like looking at the pretty pictures.
Yes. I asked for cheese and some other people here ask for directions to the airport. What part of sharing did you not understand? There are people on the Living in China board talking about pirated DVDs. Where do you draw the line for us?
Just my 2 cents and always weak for pussy (Mmmm good. That's why pussy is Mmm Mmm Good),
BTW, anybody who's not ashame of what they do here, please post your photo, home and work contact number and stop using a handle. Change your handle to your real name?
Bill
Bill Lee wrote : "As is, we are not gentlemen, we're johns paying for sex."
Speak for yourself, brother. I guess you'd have a point if we were in america, and picking up street crack ho's, who would take our money and buy a rock or a fix, but we're not. I'd say 95% of the girls I've shagged are just trying to make some money in a poor country that doesn't have a lot of opportunity for women. In my way of looking at things, these girls deserve the same respect as anyone else I run into during the course of my life. But that's just me.
I guess if someone comes onto a sex mongering site looking for advice on where to source cheese, nothing really surprises me anymore.
Yes. I agree with you. You are very wise.
Bill
What we do here in many countries is a crime. A crime. Not a service to the poor. What part of illegal don't you understand? Even in China, this is a crime. That's why we have boards like this so we can share information and not get caught or get the better part to the trade. I can't believe that you would think you're doing something good for the girls. Like I said, just give them your money and not f*ck them. Now that would be real decent of you. But I'll be in line to f*ck them as soon as they leave you.
BTW, I never talk about disrepecting any of the girls. I just don't understand why it's ever brought up. why is it even an issue. If SB likes using negative words in describing his pics and girls, let him. Who cares. I just like looking at the pretty pictures.
Yes. I asked for cheese and some other people here ask for directions to the airport. What part of sharing did you not understand?
Just my 2 cents and always weak for pussy (Mmmm good. That's why pussy is Mmm Mmm Good),
BTW, anybody who's not ashame of what they do here, please post your photo, home and work contact number and stop using a handle. Change your handle to your real name?
Bill
Got my 200 postings.
What a feat. Just drumming worthless chats to accomplish my goal of 200 postings (just kidding).
Thanks everybody,
Bill (Still horny after all these years).
Gualtier Malde
07-27-05, 00:42
i didn't realize the discussion had wandered over here. i'll try to keep further comments off the photo forum.
frankly, i have no comment on anything sb has posted, and have really enjoyed most of his stuff. the *only* thing i object to and think we should draw the line on, is posting a photo showing the face of someone who has specifically asked for the images to be erased, as happened in that one series by sb.
further, if he is posting photos of ****d partners, that should not be tolerated, because merely having those images in your browser cache is a crime in the us.
respect, disrespect, whatever - sb's habits are mostly ok by me, except that one case. and oh, the green sheets suck too, but again, it's just personal taste. i do hope he washes them frequently.
And Loa Ma goes on Living in China forum to talk about DVDs. Can you believe this? After referencing my Cheese fetish? Yes. I meant HippoCRAP.
"I guess if someone comes onto a sex mongering site looking for advice on where to source cheese, nothing really surprises me anymore."
I guess it's ok for him to talk about pirated DVD on a sex board but anyone else about Cheese. NOOOOOOOOOOOOO. What's next? No mention of whip cream? Hey didn't somebody just referenced that on the SZ forum?
Bill
Just kidding again. Love you all (but not in that way)
Yes. I asked for cheese and some other people here ask for directions to the airport. What part of sharing did you not understand? There are people on the Living in China board talking about pirated DVDs. Where do you draw the line for us?
Bill,
You really need help. Seek counseling immediately.
Bill,
I'm surprised at you because you seem like a smart guy. Of course it's ok to talk about pirated DVDs because they are illegal and therefore cool. Cheese is wack. Pirated DVDs are awesome. Don't you get like 25 years if they catch you with those shits in your bag at the airport? Oh wait no, I remember, if you have pirated DVDs they get seized, and 25 years is what you get for paying minors for sex, even in foreign countries.
Silly me!
I love you baby. Looking forward to hunt with you one day.
The only help I need is a warm oven to put little Bill in.
Your best friend,
Bill
Bill,
You really need help. Seek counseling immediately.
Albert Punter
07-29-05, 13:17
I found this article interesting
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-07/27/content_3272966.htm
new york times. july 30
xinji, gansu province.
a teacher who raped 23 fourth grade girls has been sentenced to death.......
this case received scant attention, perhaps because the government deemed the attacks too controversial.....
his lawyer argued that he was mentally ill.....
the teacher was ordered to pay $170 for medical costs. the school was ordered to pay the girls $42. but the court ruled that none of the girls were eligible for broader compensation from the school district.
Gualtier Malde
07-31-05, 09:41
new york times. july 30
xinji, gansu province.
a teacher who raped 23 fourth grade girls has been sentenced to death.
this case received scant attention, perhaps because the government deemed the attacks too controversial.
his lawyer argued that he was mentally ill.
the teacher was ordered to pay $170 for medical costs. the school was ordered to pay the girls $42. but the court ruled that none of the girls were eligible for broader compensation from the school district.of course, on top of these massive fines, his family will have to pay for the bullet.
New York Times.
In Iran, not in China, in Iran two teenage boys aged 18 and 19 were executed for drinking alcohol and having sex with a 14 year old boy. It was a public execution by hanging.
Hi Everyone,
Can someone tell me what a good price is to travel to Shanghai? Is there a cheaper time of the year to travel to China?
Travelocity's price through Air Canada was $825.00 dollars. Is there other airlines that are cheaper?
Thanks for any help!
KIM
I have always found that the travel agents in my Chinatown had the best possible price. Better than on-line sometimes.
Don't be shy in calling them, they all speak English. Otherwise, they couldn't book anybody a trip. Find the zip code to your Chinatown and look for travel agent on the net based on the zip.
Cheapest time might be the humid season in China, which is about July to Sept?
Bill
Hi Everyone,
Can someone tell me what a good price is to travel to Shanghai? Is there a cheaper time of the year to travel to China?
Travelocity's price through Air Canada was $825.00 dollars. Is there other airlines that are cheaper?
Thanks for any help!
KIM
Hi Everyone,
Can someone tell me what a good price is to travel to Shanghai? Is there a cheaper time of the year to travel to China?
-cut-
Bill and Kimbrough,
You are correct about Chinatowns having the best price to China and better than on-line. They often include hotels for 3-5 days. The only problem I ran into was SOMETIMES going single and having to pay addition $75 to 100. They want doubles for some packages but this is not always the case.
Actually for the cheap times are the off season. The off seasons are AFTER Chinese New Year, then thru March, Apr, May and early Sept, Oct to Nov.
The peak times are Dec thru Chinese New Year. And when school is out during the summer, from late May, June, July and Aug. X-Mas, Chinese New Year and Summer vacation, periods are the most expensive.
I’m still thinking about joining you in Dec/Jan Bill but the price is over $900 to Hong Kong. I need to look at my schedule also. Hoping it gets cheaper when it gets closer to Dec. I paid about $700 in May 2005 from the west coast. The price and conditions might be different to Shanghai but I don’t think so.
Weelock
Wow. July and August is consider peak? I can't believe that people would pay to come to China and sweat their butt off.
I won't be back for CNY. Girls are generally unavailable that time of the year. They tend to go back home to their families to celebrate.
I'm planning on coming back from Dec. 17 to Jan. 10, because of the holidays. Business tend to slow down during these times. Cashing in my FF points to travel.
$700 or $900, the difference of $200 or the cost of one Korean massage with tip in the state. $200 U.S. will get you 10 little quickies in SZ's alleys. Is that difference worth coming back for? You Betcha!!!!!!!!!!!!
later,
Bill
Bill and Kimbrough,
You are correct about Chinatowns having the best price to China and better than on-line. They often include hotels for 3-5 days. The only problem I ran into was SOMETIMES going single and having to pay addition $75 to 100. They want doubles for some packages but this is not always the case.
Actually for the cheap times are the off season. The off seasons are AFTER Chinese New Year, then thru March, Apr, May and early Sept, Oct to Nov.
The peak times are Dec thru Chinese New Year. And when school is out during the summer, from late May, June, July and Aug. X-Mas, Chinese New Year and Summer vacation, periods are the most expensive.
I’m still thinking about joining you in Dec/Jan Bill but the price is over $900 to Hong Kong. I need to look at my schedule also. Hoping it gets cheaper when it gets closer to Dec. I paid about $700 in May 2005 from the west coast. The price and conditions might be different to Shanghai but I don’t think so.
Weelock
Tinybobo1002
08-08-05, 20:25
Hi Everyone,
Can someone tell me what a good price is to travel to Shanghai? Is there a cheaper time of the year to travel to China?
Travelocity's price through Air Canada was $825.00 dollars. Is there other airlines that are cheaper?
Thanks for any help!
KIM
Kim:
Air Canada? If you live in US, take one of the US airlines, e.g. United. Otherwise, you don't fly to Vancouver first to catch your connection flight.
Let me assume you live in Canada. In Vancouver, go to any of consolidators (travel agents) operated by the local Chinese Canada. You will get a direct flight by Air Canada (departing around noon and arriving around 3 pm all local time); airfare is about 800 to 900. You can choose China Eastern Airline. Fare is about 800, plus a free local flight to a major Chinese city including Hong Kong.
If you live in Toronto, you must go through Vancouver or a US city like Chiago or New York in the east coast or Seattle or Los Angeles in the west. There is no direct flight from Toronto to Shanghai before June 2006. The fares of all airlines are from 1100 to 1400 (low season) and 1400 to 1900 (high season). The cheapest airline is Continential, then Air America, China Eastern, Korea, All Nippon Airways, Air Canada, and Cathay Pacific.
Cathay Pacific has direct flight to Hong Kong, where you catch a connection flight to Shanghai within 3 hours. The fare is about 1400. The beauty is you can stop over in Hong Kong, if you want.
For further infomation, go to www.toureast.com, where you can find fare of a typical chinatown travel agent.
Hope this information from a T.O. resident is helpful.
One of the bots to which I subscribe pulled this up. It's less than a year old, from China Daily. Interesting:
Sexual views polled among Chinese women
(Beijing Weekend)
Updated: 2004-12-04 22:40
A young Chinese couple have been married for eight years. To outsiders, they are a perfect couple, a 'model family' in their community. In all this time, however, she has never experienced the euphoria of orgasm.
To maintain their marriage, she has never told this to her husband. But now the pain is too much to endure. She has told her husband he could find a mistress; her husband begs doctors to find a solution for his wife to recover her sexual desire.
Until that time, his wife had never sought any medical help, or even communicated to her husband about the problem.
In a recent on-line survey about Chinese women's sexual situation, only 7 per cent expressed they will seek help from doctors if they have problem with sex. An amazing 37 per cent chose not to seek any help at all, with the remainder seeking help from the Internet or by reading relevant books.
The survey, held by the China Sexology Association and Sina.com, was conducted between August 22 and September 31, and was completed by more than 32,000 people. Although thorough analysis is still continuing, some preliminary results have been released.
Being an on-line survey, the domicile group who participated in the survey is assumed to be highly educated females living in large- or medium-sized Chinese cities, aged between 21 and 49 years old. As they are also Chinese Internet surfers, it is believed that they also have a knowledge about sex.
As high as 87 per cent of the women believe they have pleasure having sex, while only 6 per cent of the surveyed say they never reached orgasm. Thirty-three per cent say they will tell their partners if they want sex, and 53 per cent say they will give their partners a hint about their objective.
If they don't want to make love, but their partner request it, half say they will choose to comply, while the other half will tactfully refuse or communicate well with their partners.
"The findings reveal that, generally speaking, the group of women surveyed are confident and independent. They know how to express their feelings for sexual activity, care for themselves and know that communicating is important."
This result, however, contrasts some major aspects of another survey conducted by Pan Suiming, a scholar at Renmin University of China, in 1999-2000.
According to Pan's survey, only 6.8 per cent of Chinese women have experience of masturbation; nearly 80 per cent of Chinese women did not know exactly what orgasm is; as many as 62.8 per cent of women did not even know the location of clitoris.
"These results are hardly convincing from our clinical experience," observed Ma Xiaonian, director commissioner of the Professional Committee of China Sexology Association.
His association's findings on the Internet show that more than 60 per cent of women admit that they masturbated, 37 per cent admit they often have orgasm, and only 6 per cent say that they never had an orgasm. Eighteen per cent are "very satisfied" with their sex life, and 49 per cent are "relatively satisfied."
"These results are much closer to international statistics," observed Ma.
Besides not seeing doctors for their sexual problems, 75 per cent of women reported they experienced insufficient lubrication of the vagina, a big minus in the quality of sex life.
And although 55 per cent of the surveyed say they often change positions, the use of products to assist in sexual intercourse is very low. In America, 67 per cent of partners use lubricant, while 81 per cent of the Chinese say they never use such utilities.
One of the bots to which I subscribe pulled this up. It's less than a year old, from China Daily. Interesting:
Sexual views polled among Chinese women
(Beijing Weekend)
Updated: 2004-12-04 22:40
A young Chinese couple have been married for eight years. To outsiders, they are a perfect couple, a 'model family' in their community. In all this time, however, she has never experienced the euphoria of orgasm.
To maintain their marriage, she has never told this to her husband. But now the pain is too much to endure. She has told her husband he could find a mistress; her husband begs doctors to find a solution for his wife to recover her sexual desire.
Until that time, his wife had never sought any medical help, or even communicated to her husband about the problem.
In a recent on-line survey about Chinese women's sexual situation, only 7 per cent expressed they will seek help from doctors if they have problem with sex. An amazing 37 per cent chose not to seek any help at all, with the remainder seeking help from the Internet or by reading relevant books.
The survey, held by the China Sexology Association and Sina.com, was conducted between August 22 and September 31, and was completed by more than 32,000 people. Although thorough analysis is still continuing, some preliminary results have been released.
Being an on-line survey, the domicile group who participated in the survey is assumed to be highly educated females living in large- or medium-sized Chinese cities, aged between 21 and 49 years old. As they are also Chinese Internet surfers, it is believed that they also have a knowledge about sex.
As high as 87 per cent of the women believe they have pleasure having sex, while only 6 per cent of the surveyed say they never reached orgasm. Thirty-three per cent say they will tell their partners if they want sex, and 53 per cent say they will give their partners a hint about their objective.
If they don't want to make love, but their partner request it, half say they will choose to comply, while the other half will tactfully refuse or communicate well with their partners.
"The findings reveal that, generally speaking, the group of women surveyed are confident and independent. They know how to express their feelings for sexual activity, care for themselves and know that communicating is important."
This result, however, contrasts some major aspects of another survey conducted by Pan Suiming, a scholar at Renmin University of China, in 1999-2000.
According to Pan's survey, only 6.8 per cent of Chinese women have experience of masturbation; nearly 80 per cent of Chinese women did not know exactly what orgasm is; as many as 62.8 per cent of women did not even know the location of clitoris.
"These results are hardly convincing from our clinical experience," observed Ma Xiaonian, director commissioner of the Professional Committee of China Sexology Association.
His association's findings on the Internet show that more than 60 per cent of women admit that they masturbated, 37 per cent admit they often have orgasm, and only 6 per cent say that they never had an orgasm. Eighteen per cent are "very satisfied" with their sex life, and 49 per cent are "relatively satisfied."
"These results are much closer to international statistics," observed Ma.
Besides not seeing doctors for their sexual problems, 75 per cent of women reported they experienced insufficient lubrication of the vagina, a big minus in the quality of sex life.
And although 55 per cent of the surveyed say they often change positions, the use of products to assist in sexual intercourse is very low. In America, 67 per cent of partners use lubricant, while 81 per cent of the Chinese say they never use such utilities.Intransit,
I'm not surprised about this recent report. There is an even more complete report which was published which for lack of a better term was called the "Chinese Kinsey Report." It basically covered the essential background of the Chinese individual from youth to full adulthood. It also had survey differentiating between rural and urban Chinese peoples and the family makeup. It does delve into many aspects of the psychological makeup of the people surveyed.
The report is extensive, approximately 47 pages in length. I used it for graduate school on sexual dsyfuction thesis paper that I submitted. The report is very extensive and after 5 trips to China I would have to say that the information is approximately 80 to 85 % accurate.
I have used the knowledge within the report every time in China, and it has paid superb dividends for me. It you would like a copy PM me, with a E-mail address, and I can forward it to you. I suspect that Jackson would not like to have this report sucking up such a huge amount of bandwidth on this board.
Cerberus
What are the most common STD's in China?
I just like to do some research to be prepared. I don't worry about AIDS, which is very hard to catch from a girl. But there are a few other STD's which are fairly common.
Whould it be correct to say that Chlamydia and Gonorrhea are the most common types?
St Germain
08-17-05, 06:21
My previous searches of the forum have yielded no information on whether or not you can get large size condoms in China.
Does anybody know where you can get these? I was hoping the newly opened Wal-Marts would carry Trojan Larges or Magnums, but no such luck. All 52mm.
The biggest condoms I have been able to find is a brand called Okamoto. These are 54mm instead of the usual 52mm. They're sold in some of the Hao De convenience stores in Shanghai.
As for all the other places, it's 52mm only.
Anyone know where to get >54mm condoms?
Count
Divine Baal
08-17-05, 14:48
Sorry for being a n00b but trying to get the hang of it. I'll be going on a trip to Beijing and Dalian for a few days (3.5 i B, 2 in D) and it's a group tour.
I won't be able to get a chick up to the room since it will be shared with someone I don't really know. Also, not interested in ST room and so on. Tried BBS in Shanghai and found that concept to my liking. Reminded me of BKK where you had no problem finding a place where you could get a shag on location.
But now I have some questions. Are looking for rules about what to do and not to do regarding the prospect of buying some ******. Tried to get that info, even UTFSE!!!
You see, things means different for you and me. Such as Sauna. Where I live a "public" Sauna is a location where gay men meet, to have anonymous sex. I don't think that is the same in Beijing. Therefor my "confusion". And since I'll be there such just few days, having to find places quickly I'll toss a question here. Perhaps if someone had an "instruction" on how to behave so I don't act more stupid then I usually do. I think I know the score on how to act at a BBS but then? What else can I do/visit?
OldAsiaHand
08-18-05, 15:39
DB,
There are not many FS BBS in Beijing. The sauna concept in Beijing is one where you get a massage and FS onsite from a girl. It is pricey in Beijing, but the hardware/accomodations are pretty nice. Just run a key word search on the Beijing thread for options.
Sorry, but I don't know much about Dalian.
Happy Hunting!
OAH
Sorry for being a n00b but trying to get the hang of it. I'll be going on a trip to Beijing and Dalian for a few days (3.5 i B, 2 in D) and it's a group tour.
I won't be able to get a chick up to the room since it will be shared with someone I don't really know. Also, not interested in ST room and so on. Tried BBS in Shanghai and found that concept to my liking. Reminded me of BKK where you had no problem finding a place where you could get a shag on location.
But now I have some questions. Are looking for rules about what to do and not to do regarding the prospect of buying some ******. Tried to get that info, even UTFSE!!!
You see, things means different for you and me. Such as Sauna. Where I live a "public" Sauna is a location where gay men meet, to have anonymous sex. I don't think that is the same in Beijing. Therefor my "confusion". And since I'll be there such just few days, having to find places quickly I'll toss a question here. Perhaps if someone had an "instruction" on how to behave so I don't act more stupid then I usually do. I think I know the score on how to act at a BBS but then? What else can I do/visit?
Just wondering about careers in China, I just came back from a study abroad and I really want to work in China in the future. I think I am capable, I speak fluent Mandarin and can read at an intermediate level. I also understand Cantonese, of course English is my native language. I know there are a lot of opportunities in teaching English (I did some part time job last semester abroad). I am studying Marketing Management, so I wonder what are the chances of being sent back as an X-patriot or what not.
I'm sure many guys on the board work abroad long term and have such chances of having so much fun.
Penney,
Congrats on knowing the language here well ! I still struggle. Anyway, by virtue of your mandarin skills, you are herby entitled to get a job teaching english and make 15,000 dollars a year.
Just like in any country, it's all about your skills. You say you are still studying marketing management ? it's gonna be tough for you to get an expat package over here without experience. Multi-nationals do not send newly minted graduates overseas - they send executives with years of experience, and impressive records of success.
Do you have a track record ? can you provide detailed proof of your success ? have you worked in a foreign country for a foreign company before ?
Not trying to rain on your parade, but China is full of eager young 20-somethings who speak excellent mandarin and can pontificate on the 3 Represents at length. What companies need, tho, is relevant specific business experience. I have a great career here simply because the need for western style management experience is far greater than the supply.
Having said that, this IS China, where anything can happen. You can still make it happen, but you have to outsmart, outhustle, outwit, and outperform the zillions of others here who want the same thing you do. New chinese college graduates speak excellent english for the most part, and will work for a fraction of the cost of an expatriat. What can you offer that a Chinese grad cannot ? If you can articulate clearly what that is, then you will make it here. There's a ton of mediocrity here in the business community - if you can seperate yourself from the pack you can become a superstar. My suggestion is to first decide what it is you want to do - can't really tell from your post.
Tinybobo1002
08-26-05, 01:36
What is the difference between 52 mm and 54mm? I have tried condoms sold in Canada and China, but can't tell the size difference. Quality is of course another ball game. Condoms in both places fit mine well. 2mm is less than 0.1 in.
Sorry for the not so smart question.
My previous searches of the forum have yielded no information on whether or not you can get large size condoms in China.
Does anybody know where you can get these? I was hoping the newly opened Wal-Marts would carry Trojan Larges or Magnums, but no such luck. All 52mm.
The biggest condoms I have been able to find is a brand called Okamoto. These are 54mm instead of the usual 52mm. They're sold in some of the Hao De convenience stores in Shanghai.
As for all the other places, it's 52mm only.
Anyone know where to get >54mm condoms?
Count
St Germain
08-26-05, 06:39
Tatyu,
Very reasonable question, I think.
52mm refers to the "nominal width." At least that's what it says on the Durex box. I frankly don't know exactly what they mean by nominal width, but basically all the condom brands I have seen sold in China say 52mm, with the exception of that one 54mm brand I mentioned before.
Difference between 52mm and 54mm? Not much, really, but I do notice a slight difference. A smidgen more closet space.
Are the standard size condoms sold in the US/Canada also 52mm? I'm not sure.
Anyway, sure would be nice to find a bit more size variety in China. Seems they assume one size fits all here.
Count
Heel Lover
08-26-05, 07:36
What are the most common STD's in China?
I just like to do some research to be prepared. I don't worry about AIDS, which is very hard to catch from a girl. But there are a few other STD's which are fairly common.
Whould it be correct to say that Chlamydia and Gonorrhea are the most common types?Gonorrhea is no.1 and Condvlomata Acuminata (CA) is no.2
The latest Durex models with the Easy-On funktion seem to be with a loser fit. Check them out...
I think that the Chinese brand condoms can be a bit snug but it seems you have to have a pretty huge cock to need Trojan Magnums. A standard Trojan is already a pretty good size. If you unroll it all the way the thing must be at least 8 or more inches and pretty wide. They stretch a lot too. I think in most instances it's just a case of wishful thinking that you need it.
Tinybobo1002
08-27-05, 14:22
I read the box and the instructions, for the very first time after using thousands of them, of my Durex super thin condom, but could not find any information about the size. So, I went to the drug store to do a "market survey". None of those condoms in Canada tell the size; it seems one size will fit all small dicks of Canadians.
Ok. Make more efforts by browsing the web. Some sites offer large condoms, but it seems there are two sizes only. Width is either 1.375 or 1.75 in (I dont understand why such a big difference). Length is from 7.5 in to 8 in. Regardless the shape and size of the head, the size of the base remains small.
These are so-called large condoms, but I think my Durex super thin can easily extend to 7 to 8 in, based on my experience.
Some guys have cried out for larger condoms, because regular ones can't fit theirs. Is it very uncomfortable wearing standard condoms? I will order some of these large condoms online to test them out. When I visit China in October, I will pay more attention to those in the Chinese market.
Tatyu, if you are going to China in Oct, try to go after Oct 15 since there are usually a big crack down from Sept 15th until Oct 15th due to the Chinese holiday. Last 2 years that I went to China during that time frame, the girls went home and did not return until Oct 15th.
OldAsiaHand
08-28-05, 04:33
Penney,
As a semi-retired expat (Marketing), I must agree with Lao Ma. The days of the huge expat package are over. There are many qualified locals, especially in marketing, that are well educated and have had over a decade of work experience with multinationals. In addition, there are also plenty of Asian expats with China marketing experience around that will work much cheaper than N. Americans. But like Lao Ma said, native English speakers are still in demand to teach English. However, most I know earn less than 10,000 RMB per month.
Just my POV.
OAH
What's the name and nature of the holiday?
Bill
Tatyu, if you are going to China in Oct, try to go after Oct 15 since there are usually a big crack down from Sept 15th until Oct 15th due to the Chinese holiday. Last 2 years that I went to China during that time frame, the girls went home and did not return until Oct 15th.
Penney,
20 years ago you could come to China and speak English, and that was enough to get you a job.
10 years ago, you could come to China and speak English and Chinese, and that was enough to get you a job.
Now, you need to be able to do more than that. So, what else can you do?
That said, the gaps in the market are huge and bar is extremely low. Good luck and don't give up too early.
Cebu Local
08-28-05, 23:00
What's the name and nature of the holiday?
Bill
National Day Holiday,The foundation of China,It s a week long Holiday.It is in my mind because My SO will be flying down to visit me for the holiday
Thanks, that was very insightful. Of course I am not going to change my major and my life around, but I realized what is reality. Certainly I do not intend to be a Senior Project Manager or something straight out of college.
I noticed how many people study Chinese nowadays and certainly their proficiency will not be par as locals, nor ever will be. I figured I have some sort of advantage combined with a BBA, though I know everyone is majoring in business lately.
I'm leaning towards internship opportunities in China for next summer instead of in the States. I do understand both Western culture and Chinese to some degree since my parents are quite traditional. There has to be somewhere I can start from right, I'm still young have to find my ways around. (Anyone know sites like Monster.com but for China?)
Once again thanks for the encouragement I will try to not give up.
(Anyone know sites like Monster.com but for China?)Hi Penney,
You could give 51job website a try. It is a local China site for job-seekers and has dual language functions - Chinese & English. Do a search on "51job" on Google. The 1st website listed will be the link to that job-website.
Plenty of other local sites for jobs in China on the Web. If you are able to read Chinese, more choices for you. You may wanna consider spending more time surfing and best if you narrow down specific criterias in your search, like "zhaopin" in Chinese.
Hope the above info helps. Remember, perseverance is the key! Good luck in your search.
Hoeman.
PS. I surfed the Net and searched for 2 - 3 mths before I landed my current job. Plus, I sent out dozens of resumes too.
Are you here? Here's the place to start your moaning again.
Bill
Bez Bezarra
09-07-05, 02:44
Nigga pleaze!
Let me say how sincerely freaked out I am that I offended
you. It certainly was not my intention, I'm in it purely for
humor, and as you may know, I fire at will with reckless
abandon and never look back.
As you say, to me, the g word lost its sting since the Nam
has risen from the ashes of the nape. I was just looking
for something that rhymed with goo, and I'm no poet!
On the other hand, I might barf up a lung if you said something
like Karl Rove.
Master, your work gives us the greatest inspiration, I will
flog myself with rusty razors for causing you sadness.
I make my living off the backs of haitians and filipinos,
and if it weren't for the asians and their superior quality
as human beings, I wouldn't have a living to make.
So please Master Cro, when I can snatch the pebble from
her snatch with the palm of my hand, please tell me that
it will be time for me to go.
China is not the West or the US. If the chinese police think we are being abusive, if we cause them to "lose face" by showing pictures of what they perceive as poor young chinese girls being humiliated by rich foreign wankers, they will nail your fucking arse! They will not tolerate that fucking shit!
Prostitution is illegal in China, as it is in most countries, but it is tolerated. The chinese guys enjoy it also. If you are respectful to the ladies, don't cause trouble, and keep it very private, they accept it as normal behavior.
A very good friend of mine, a chinese, kept posting anti communist posts. They let him do that for 3 years, and then they took him in for exactly the same time. He is still on free pension.
And don't think that they don't browse through this forum. To them you definitely don't have to say RTFF.
Thats my 2 cents after 15 years in China.
The above quotes are excerpted from posts in the Photo Gallery section, so the context may be lost unless you go read the thread there. In short, the comments were in regard to some people getting into trouble for indiscreet, perhaps obnoxious, behavior, both online and off (i.e., in real life). In any case, the comments have led me to ask some questions that I'd like to pose here in General Info.
The main question is, what should we assume to be "good behavior," in terms of exercising appropriate discretion, both online and off? And, considering what we see online here in the ISG, as well as what we know to be happening offline, to what extent, and in what ways, are We Mongers already being indiscreet, making others "lose face," etc.? For example, does posting photos have this effect? How about posting any information at all?
I ask this question out of concern that if we don't properly work with the culture and system we find ourselves in here, then it will work against us. I don't know how much of what We Mongers are ordinarily doing, online and off, that is actually rubbing them the wrong way, so to speak.
Is it true that the local authorities read the Forum? What could be the consequences of this? I have often wondered if posting about a particular mongering location results in them reading the post and then scrutinizing that shop.
Regarding the original posts, I can understand the concern that posting photos of the girls online, in a completely public forum, might cause "loss of face" (in which case requiring a paid membership for photo viewing might help, but I'm not sure). We can extend this argument to say that, merely having a web site, used largely by Westerners, that publicizes the sex trade within China, might offend some Chinese. The question is, how the Chinese, the authorities in particular, might react to this perceived indiscretion or "loss of face," and whether that will ultimately hamper our activities. Where to draw the line between what we ought to, and ought not, do?
My own take is that "good behavior" in real life counts more than what happens online (for example, avoiding any discussion of anything that is actually illegal until you're talking privately with the girl/mama/etc., away from prying eyes and ears). But I have no clue as to what online behavior might be deemed proper. I don't post photos (I'm not saying it's wrong, I just don't happen to do it), and I don't think I make degrading comments about the girls, I mainly just try to deal in terms of giving and receiving useful information. Yes, we are aiding and abetting each other to break the law, but if we can do so in a way that does not offend, then I would hope it's OK. But I don't know if my standards in this regard agree with "theirs," and what the consequences might be.
Another question is, whether posting about a particular shop will increase the number of foreigners who go there, which makes the locals take more notice of that shop, thereby causing increased scrutiny of it by the officials. The other day, I had a BBS girl express concern that having a foreigner show up at her shop might have this effect (although this is in CQ city, where, due to local events, BBSs are in quiet mode, especially with non-local customers). I must not be the only monger who has thought twice before posting about a favorite mongering location out of concern that it might lead to higher scrutiny and whatnot.
NightCat, that is an excellent post, and you raise very important areas of concern. I guess we are all, to a certain extent, in denial about what could potentially happen with our posts. Maybe nothing, maybe all kinds of things. My own personal take is this: yes, China has thousands and thousands of internet police, and I have no doubt whatsoever that they look at this site. There is a hotline number that chinese citizens can call to report internet porn sites, and I would not be surprised if this site has been called before. That doesn't mean that the authorities have the ability to shut down this site, but it does put it on the radar screen, and they can monitor it's useage, and they can gather data on individual IP addies. Now in the big scheme of things, the authorities are a lot more worried about political dissent and civil unrest, but just like any government, if they need to generate a little pr, they have that in their hip pocket. If someone high up in the party all of a sudden gets a bug up his ass - maybe his er nai was harrased by a drunken waiguoren in a bar or something - then the hammer can come down, and come down hard. It's not just the website operators and merchants who get nabbed here in China. 2 years ago, the little brother of a girl I was dating got the knock on the door at 1 in the morning, and he was busted for surfing interent porn sites. He's australian, and he had to get the embassy involved, pay a big fine, spent a night in jail, and can never get a Visa again. I agree with those who feel the pictures part is what would be the fly in the ointment. I know many don't agree; just stating what I think. While most everyone who mongers here are good people, if I had to hazzard a guess I would say that of those who post pictures or movies, maybe 5% actually tell the girls "hey, by the way, I'm posting these pics on the internet on a website". To me, that's much, much worse than dishonesty or disception - that's putting girls' futures, and lives, in jeopardy. If I were running the show here ( and I'm not ), I would actually lose the photo gallery, or make it PM only. I respect the rights of others to disagree, but that's how I feel.
Here is what I think:
Prostitution in China is illegal. If you get caught your get at least fined, if not 're-educated' for a few weeks or month. As a foreigner you probably get banned from China. Explain that to your employer.
That's why it's better to keep a low profile. I don't think it's a good idea to meet in groups and wonder around demanding pussy. It's also not a good idea to post too many details which makes one traceable. Foreigners are not welcome in Sha Tsui? Well, then don't go there. There are plenty of other places where locals don't care too much.
Pictures: What are the for? They don't have any supporting purpose here other then a tease for not-doers and wankers. They just generate too much attention and too much traffic for an ISP to handle.
And there is of course the morality issue of posting a gals face without consent.
Apart from agreeing with the comments below, I would like to add that I have heard that HK and perhaps other foreign visitors used/still do to get a "Piao Ke" "john" stamp in their travel documents if they were caught with girls,,,now that would be hard to explain to people,,,,
That was exactly what I was trying to say. I'm glad you guys see it. This is China, not Thailand or Argentina. So keep your sexual experience private, don't flaunt it, show respect for our chinese friends, don't aggravate the authorities, respect the laws, don't cause them to lose face, etc, etc.
When in Rome? When in China play by their rules! If you use discretion, they will let you enjoy your lady friends.
The reason I am very upset about the hardcore porno posts, descriptions and commentaries, is because they may cause offence to our chinese friends and bring unwanted attention. It attracts the authorities and voyeurs. Also, it contributes absolutely nothing to the "reason for this forum".
I'm not against hardcore porn, I just don't think it belongs in the China section.
I think Jackson believes in the right to post whatever you like, so I guess he will continue to allow it.
Juno Audio
09-15-05, 20:22
I couldn't agree more with you guys here. At least some of us are thinking with our right "heads".
And maybe that's why the sha tsui crackdown has continued for so long, they just want to keep the foreign looking foreigners out. Now I could be wrong on this, so don't jump all over me.
Juno
Cebu Local
09-15-05, 22:07
Apart from agreeing with the comments below, I would like to add that I have heard that HK and perhaps other foreign visitors used/still do to get a "Piao Ke" "john" stamp in their travel documents if they were caught with girls,,,now that would be hard to explain to people,,,,About 8 Months ago,A Philippine Congressman using A Diplomatic Passport was arrested in Shenzen at a KTV while engaged in "consultation" with a KTV girl,He flashed his passport around saying he had full diplomatic immunity.So they WROTE in his passport,Arrested for being a john and suppossed to have passport stamped,but not stamped because subject is a Philippine congressman.Same effect.Philippine Mongers,He is a young Filipino Chinese congressman whose family owns a hotel chain.Play safe
Time to lighten things up a little, so I offer you the Monger's Prayer. To be recited while shagging your sweet lady.
The Happy Monger's Prayer. By Santa
The Monger is below you
The Monger is above you
His holy pole is up your hole
So wiggle your arse and save your soul!
I have never been to China before. This question goes out to some of the experienced Players in China; what is the going rate in dollars? Thanks members.
Cebu Local
09-20-05, 22:43
I have never been to China before. This question goes out to some of the experienced Players in China; what is the going rate in dollars? Thanks members.
RTFF Polite Form and divide RMB by 8.2 to get the rate in US DOLLARS
Tinybobo1002
09-20-05, 23:37
I have never been to China before. This question goes out to some of the experienced Players in China; what is the going rate in dollars? Thanks members.
divide it by 8. First, it is mathematically more convenient. Second, as a tourist, this is what you can get. Of course, if you do business, you need more accurate numbers.
China is a huge country and in the sake of not spoiling the market, what should one pay for the pay for play scene. For a one hour play, a toda la noche and so on. I know this is a general question for a big country, but you guys know what I am getting at. I have been a dumb tourist before but I try to avoid it. Good day.
China IS a huge country, that's why there are different pages for each major city. With mulitple posts explaining the multiple options and price points available.
Read the f%$#ing forum. You have posted similiar questions all over the world.
Lao Mao, your posts are vey good and provide good details for other memberds of this forum. You also seem to be quick tempered, in your usage of telling other members to "F@#$king read the forum," when you see fit. I wonder would you be so quick with your tongue, if the one you are addressing was in front of your face??
Lao Mao, your posts are vey good and provide good details for other memberds of this forum. You also seem to be quick tempered, in your usage of telling other members to "F@#$king read the forum," when you see fit. I wonder would you be so quick with your tongue, if the one you are addressing was in front of your face??
Lao Ma's expression ("read the f-ing forum") is the expansion of the abbreviation "RTFF" which is listed in the forum's Abbreviations list. It is actually the standard response to the question you asked, according to long-standing tradition since the beginning of this forum (and even back to the Usenet group that preceded it). It was not coming from his temper. He may have thought that, since you asked a question that already has a standard answer, you might also be unfamiliar with the standard abbreviations (which, when used, sound less confronting that the fully-expanded expressions).
So, RTFF! :-)
Happy reading!
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