2002-2006 General Reports

[Blacklisted]

Count me in if you have space.


Anyone else can PM either Dave or myself for further details.

Cheers all, and gong xi fa cai!!

[Juno Audio]

Bing tai:noun. morbid/adnormal/pathological state
Bian tai:adj. adnormal anomalous

So I'm a bian tai de bing tai wai guo ren.

Hang on, is that correct. I'm confused.

I'll give you an example....

You are bian tai, and your bing tai has not changed for the better.....

anyway...."been tai" is the Cantonese equivalent of "bian tai"

[Santa]

Bian4 tai4 ? = change extreme? Bing4 tai4 ?= in fact extreme?

So your bian tai (extreme change, abnormality) is bing tai (is in fact extremely abnormal)?

Please Sir Juno, can you think of any example sentences? Nide bian tai shi bing tai?

Please tell us, is Tripper a "bian tai de bing tai waiguoren' or isn't he? I think he is! If you saw the women he goes for you might think so too! Members may need to be warned about this before going to his KTV orgy.

Please give any reply in the Words and Phrases thread.

[Bud Leeeeeeee]

Guys,

I got 2 weeks of leave (work won't let me leave without pay) anyways I was thinking shanghai China cause from what I read here ALL the girls go there because its easy for a 60day visa. The girls I am interested in no particular order are chinese, vietnamese, phillipine, cambodian, indonesian. I can do all this from shanghai right?

I was still going to travel to a second destination just to see some sights what do you all recommend? I am leaning towards the phillipines to hit the beach and score some young hotties. Can you get laid on the beach? hotels by the hour on the beach?

March or April are my target months.

What do you all think. Money is not a concern too much. I will try to negotiate so I don't burn the local mongers. ;)

[Juno Audio]

Alright, for the last time.....

Bian Tai is "Perversion", or "pervert".....adjective and noun.
Bing Tai is "condition of sickness"....noun only.

So, Bian Tai is a Bing Tai....Perversion is a condition of sickness.

JA

[Bob Builder]

You guys are making me sorry that I brought the phrase up. There seems to be too many freaking language students/teachers here.

So please instead of having such a bian4 tai4 fascination with the exact dictionary meaning, go and do something been tie to a gal.

[Santa]

Builder Bob is right, too many freaking "been tai" abnormals posting here.

Maybe I should quit smoking hashish and take my anti-psychotics instead?

[Gualtier Malde]

I reported on our KTV night in the Shanghai forum.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=434130&postcount=4684

David

[Bec26]

I have a friend who is working as a journalist in Beijing. He just told me that this site specifically www.internationalsexguide.info is on a list that the Chinese will censor in the next coming week. I hope this does not mean all you guys in China will not be able to view this site. That would be sad.

All this news about Yahoo, Google, and Microsoft lending a hand in the censorship of the internet specifically in China is a real shame. I cannot believe they have actually sold out to get their foot in the door of a com***ist country. They are so greedy the fail to see that it never even occured to them that China can again close its doors and lock everybody out.

[Bec26]

I just posted my report and used the word Com***ist. I spelled it with all the letters. When it was posted to the forum I noticed it has been changed to include the stars. Who did this?

[Bec26]

It did it again! Somebody else try it. Spelll that word, but use all the letters. Does Jackson have censors on this site or is it something in China that is changing it?

[Moody]

It did it again! Somebody else try it. Spelll that word, but use all the letters. Does Jackson have censors on this site or is it something in China that is changing it?

The letters "M" "U" "N" have been censored from this forum. I have no idea why, but you can't spell anything that required those three letters in order.

[Cronin]

I have been expecting this for some time now. Given the huge number of sites that are blocked in China, sometimes for apparently no reason at all, I'm amazed we've stayed up as long as we have. If our luck has finally given out, its been a great ride, lots of fun. I'll try to proxy in if ISG goes down, but I don't know a lot about how to do that.

I agree about the comments on Yahoo, et al. As soon as a Chinese search company is developed to the point where Yahoo is a competitor, that site will disappear too.

Cronin


I have a friend who is working as a journalist in Beijing. He just told me that this site specifically www.internationalsexguide.info is on a list that the Chinese will censor in the next coming week. I hope this does not mean all you guys in China will not be able to view this site. That would be sad.

All this news about Yahoo, Google, and Microsoft lending a hand in the censorship of the internet specifically in China is a real shame. I cannot believe they have actually sold out to get their foot in the door of a com***ist country. They are so greedy the fail to see that it never even occured to them that China can again close its doors and lock everybody out.

[Bill Lee]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/15/eveningnews/printable1321785.shtml

this is the tor download site: http://tor.eff.org/

good luck you all....
bill

cracking the 'great firewall of china'
los angeles, feb. 15, 2006(cbs) the big internet companies say they have to play by china's rules if they want to do business in china — and that means going along with government censorship. but as cbs news correspondent sandra hughes reports, that contention isn't going down well with some u.s. lawmakers.

"can you say in english are you ashamed of what you and your company and the other companies have done?" rep. tom lantos, d-calif., asked google spokesman elliott schrage at a hearing wednesday.

replied schrage, "i don't think it's fair to say that we're ashamed of what we've done."

rep. christopher smith, d-n.j., went even further, likening the companies' cooperation with china to helping nazi germany.

"if the secret police a half-century ago asked where anne frank was hiding, would the correct answer be to hand over the information in order to comply with local laws?" he asked.

yahoo officials admit to handing over information that helped send chinese dissidents to prison. but yahoo senior vice president michael callahan says u.s. companies that want to do business in china "ultimately face a choice — comply with chinese laws or leave."

the incentives to play ball with the chinese government are enormous: more than 110 million chinese use the internet, and that number will only continue to grow.

but more freedom for chinese web surfers may be on the way.

roger dingeldine, a 28-year-old computer programmer, is doing what the big companies are not. he has created an anonymous web browser called tor that lets chinese computer users access web sites without anyone knowing — not even the chinese secret police.

"it's all about freedom of speech and its all about freedom of learning," says dingeldine. "there are tens of thousands of people in china right now who are using tor. it's one of the tools that are available for them to get around the firewall."

dingeldine's browser isn't the only way around the great firewall of china. there's everything from online free-speech sites to everyday folks in other countries adopting a blog so people a world away in china can use their uncensored servers.

and china may be feeling the pressure. in a rare move, the government tried to publicly defend its internet controls — something u.s. internet companies have had a hard time doing.

"in an imperfect world, we had to make an imperfect choice," schrage says.

it's a choice no one seems willing to go back on.



i have been expecting this for some time now. given the huge number of sites that are blocked in china, sometimes for apparently no reason at all, i'm amazed we've stayed up as long as we have. if our luck has finally given out, its been a great ride, lots of fun. i'll try to proxy in if isg goes down, but i don't know a lot about how to do that.

i agree about the comments on yahoo, et al. as soon as a chinese search company is developed to the point where yahoo is a competitor, that site will disappear too.

cronin

[Santa]

I read a story in yesterday's N Y Times about that same subject, censorship of the internet in China, but there was also a story about censorship of newspapers.

The Minding Everybody Elses Business Department closed down a very popular newspaper, but this caused a backlash of anger from some of the senior party members. Some of them are saying that censorship is bad for the country.

The government censors argue that western nations also try to censor and control the press and the internet, such as porno sites and terrorist com***ications.

[Juno Audio]

Guys, I'm not surprised at all about US companies selling out in China, it's all about the money, the almighty dollar....well, in this case its the almighty RMB. Ethics is not part of doing business anymore, haven't you noticed?

China has the appearance of openness, but the goal was only to get foreign investments in. Com***ist will be Com***ist. Any wonder why the US government doesn't like Com***ist governments, I think it is obvious, you just can't trust them.

JA

[Cronin]

Thanks Bill,

I downloaded these two and they look pretty impressive. You're supposed to be able to configure Tor so that you can use any browser with it. I'm a Mac person, as you know, so I tried to configure Safari to use Tor and Privoxy. I couldn't actually get it to work, so I had to come back to Netscape to log into ISG again. I'm sure it's just something it did wrong on configuration, so I'll keep trying and testing it while I can still get into ISG. Let you all know how it goes.

Cronin

[Prince Leo]

I don't want to go into too much detail, but there are reasons why Com***ist works in China and not the Western World, and reasons why Democracy works else where but China.

If one wants to conduct business in a foreign country, one must obey by that countries laws and regulations. Every country has its own laws that tailored to its needs, and they are evolving. How would the US or other Western Nations feel when a Chinese Company operates in their land under the laws of the PRC rather than following the regulations of the land of which they are conducting their business. A simple example, if you have an appointment with a client at his house. He does not tolerate smoking in his home. Will you be allow to do business with him if you smoke in his house? Mostly, not.

Each country and cultures has its own value and perspective. I don't think we should force the Western view into other country/culture in the name of Freedom/Democracy. Part of being democratic is being able to accept and understand the views/perspectives and values of others. As some senior members on this forum put it, "She might be a 9 in my eyes, but she could be a 5 in yours, and the other way around."

Ok, too much talks about politics already...back the to original scheduling...

[SE Asia Joe]

Paper to chop China entry/exits
Just want to report that thanks to Cebu Local, Traveler 1234 and Day Night, I managed to get that piece of paper where the China immigration can put their entry/exit chops on. I got it when going in at Guangzhou East train station (on the direct trian from Hong KOng).
It took just a few minutes delay whilst one of the senior guys took my passport into the office and came back out with the piece of paper all nicely chopped and with my passport/visa details written on it.
When I used this paper at the Sha Tau Kok entry, a whole bunch of officers came to have a look at it - all very friendly - asking how/where I got it and they even took it into their office to show their superiors and also to take a photocopy of to show the rest of the staff at that border crossing. This is truly China ain't it?! Where nothing is too well co-ordinated - not even between the same department but at different locality!!
SE Asia Joe

[Bec26]

Can anybody explain why M.U.N. if spelled in a row is censored?

[Moody]

One of the reasons this site might not be accessible for some is a bad DNS server. I had that happen at one particular hotel. To get around that, all you have to do is manually input DNS addresses of known good servers. You can find some public free DNS servers here:

http://www.opennic.unrated.net/public_servers.html

[Moody]

If you use Firefox, there's an extension to make switching proxies very easy. If you use Tor and Privoxy, you can switch by selecting it from a dropdown menu. It's called "SwitchProxy" and can be found on the Firefox site.

There is one major negative aspect to using Tor though and I don't know if anyone's mentioned it. It's excruciatingly slow. It's bandwidth capped at around 20Kbps so downloading graphics and such is a major hassle. Other than that, it's fine for text and just about anything else that isn't bandwidth intensive.

[Santa]

There are also very powerful senior party members who think China should open up it's press, allow people to read whatever they like, and let the chips fall wherever they may. It is a topic these party members debate.

They believe, that for China to move forward and become a powerful nation again, both intellectually and financially, they need to embrass communication technologies. Trying to restrain it through censorship is counter productive.

This is a bitter medicine for the other Communist Party members to swallow. Who will prevail?

I think ISG Forum is a good example. Will they continue to tolerate this website?

Are there any Communist Party members who would like to send me a private message?

[Fuzimiao]

"Yahoo officials admit to handing over information that helped send Chinese dissidents to prison. But Yahoo senior vice president Michael Callahan says U.S. companies that want to do business in China "ultimately face a choice — comply with Chinese laws or leave.""

Sounds like a familiar story, 26 Raytheon colleagues were sacked way back in 2001 after Yahoo coughed up thier details following too much being revealed on the company forum on Yahoo. This was in the good old USA, I don't recollect much of an outcry!

[XXL]

China has the appearance of openness, but the goal was only to get foreign investments in. Com***ist will be Com***ist. Any wonder why the US government doesn't like Com***ist governments, I think it is obvious, you just can't trust them.JA
That's all very well but does it matter for our hobby? The US has sting operations, China has censorship: which of the two would you rather have as a monger? I'd much rather have censorship.

It is a regrettable fact that no country today can be both censorship-free AND tolerant towards our hobby. This is because all democracies seem to evolve into femininocracies and women in all countries, as soon as they acquire social power, see it as their highest priority to eradicate all forms of male-oriented entertainment. Look at what has become of Western Europe over the last two decades!

Give the media total freedom in the CPR and Chinese TV will become full of one-sided shows to the tune of "sexploitation", "sex-tourism", "trafficking of women", until the Chinese authorities, such as they are, bow to public pressure and put their foot down. If this is what freedom of expression leads to - and alas, Western Europe has shown this to be the case - sod the freedom and long live the secrecy, the corruption and the censorship!

[Bec26]

Anybody have any comments about what Prince Charles said in his diary about senior Chinese diplomats as "appalling old waxworks?" Among other things.

All this coming to surface during the visit of Hu Jintao to England! I find it hillarious.

[Bec26]

I have a great little program called UltraSurf that has enabled me to surf all the porn sites that have previously blocked by the Chinese in the past. Just let me know and I can sent it to you. Or maybe you can google it and download it that way.

[Santa]

Charlie calls others "appalling old waxworks".

Well, with his stiff upper lip, he should know. Must have inherited that from his mummy. Well, yes, as they say old chap, it takes one to know one.

Yes, it is rather comic. Jolly good show, what?

By the way, any truth to the story about Camilla attending Ascot? Who will be riding her?

[Juno Audio]

That's all very well but does it matter for our hobby? The US has sting operations, China has censorship: which of the two would you rather have as a monger? I'd much rather have censorship..............

You are right, this has nothing to do with our hobby. That's why I posted this in the "general thread". The last time I checked, we could talk about just almost anything we want in the gerneral section, and doesn't have to pertain to anything at all.

JA

[Cebu Local]

Anybody have any comments about what Prince Charles said in his diary about senior Chinese diplomats as "appalling old waxworks?" Among other things.

All this coming to surface during the visit of Hu Jintao to England! I find it hillarious.I personally find Prince Charles about as interesting as counting ants in your garden,I dont think China cares either

[Lost Johnny]

Can anyone five into about the Rainbow Hotel in Beijing, is it GF?

[XXL]

You are right, this has nothing to do with our hobby. That's why I posted this in the "general thread"....
JA
Juno,

You are misinterpreting my intent in quoting you mail. My point was not "Juno Audio's post is off-topic". My point was : "better not have democracy in China if it is to develop further into a haven for us mongers".

[Juno Audio]

Juno,

You are misinterpreting my intent in quoting you mail. My point was not "Juno Audio's post is off-topic". My point was : "better not have democracy in China if it is to develop further into a haven for us mongers".

Alright, sorry then, but next time be more clear...OK? My English is not too good as a result of living in China too long...lol

JA

[Sammy_T]

China Says It May Deport Badly Behaved Foreigners By REUTERS Filed at 11:23 p.m. ET

BEIJING (Reuters) - China may deport foreigners who buy or sell sex, steal or get involved in fights under new laws that come into effect on Wednesday, state newspapers reported.

Large numbers of foreigners in China were involved in prostitution or had visited sex workers, got involved in fights or stolen, the People's Daily quoted Wu Mingshan, vice head of the public security ministry's management office, as saying.

In the past few years prostitution has made a strong comeback in China despite being banned by the Communists after they took power in 1949. It flourishes particularly in the country's booming coastal provinces.

In cities such as Beijing, which is expecting an influx of tens of thousands of foreigners for the Olympics in 2008, and Shanghai it is not uncommon to find prostitutes from parts of the former Soviet Union or other nations, charging a premium over their Chinese counterparts.

The new laws also detail penalties for other offences, including sending pornographic messages by mobile phone, raising pets that harass neighbors, and disturbing public order at sports or cultural events, the China Daily said.

Punishment for such crimes would range from warnings to fines, 15 days in detention and expulsion from the country, it said.

``No matter which article foreigners violate, there will be risks of being deported,'' public security ministry official Ke Liangdong was quoted as saying.

Related clauses of the new law require karaoke clubs, discos and nightclubs, notorious fronts for prostitution and drugs in China, to install video-monitoring equipment and put windows in doors of private back rooms normally rented by the hour.

[Gualtier Malde]

I was struck by two things in this article:

1. The comment "...it is not uncommon to find prostitutes from parts of the former Soviet Union or other nations, charging a premium over their Chinese counterparts."

This makes me wonder if this is really the reason for the crackdown. The Russians are getting all the cash, not leaving enough for us locals...

2. "...the new law require[s] karaoke clubs, discos and nightclubs, notorious fronts for prostitution and drugs in China, to install video-monitoring equipment and put windows in doors of private back rooms normally rented by the hour."

Where are these places? I wanna rent one of those rooms for just about an hour...

David


China Says It May Deport Badly Behaved Foreigners By REUTERS Filed at 11:23 p.m. ET

BEIJING (Reuters) - China may deport foreigners who buy or sell sex, steal or get involved in fights under new laws that come into effect on Wednesday, state newspapers reported.

Large numbers of foreigners in China were involved in prostitution or had visited sex workers, got involved in fights or stolen, the People's Daily quoted Wu Mingshan, vice head of the public security ministry's management office, as saying.

In the past few years prostitution has made a strong comeback in China despite being banned by the Communists after they took power in 1949. It flourishes particularly in the country's booming coastal provinces.

In cities such as Beijing, which is expecting an influx of tens of thousands of foreigners for the Olympics in 2008, and Shanghai it is not uncommon to find prostitutes from parts of the former Soviet Union or other nations, charging a premium over their Chinese counterparts.

The new laws also detail penalties for other offences, including sending pornographic messages by mobile phone, raising pets that harass neighbors, and disturbing public order at sports or cultural events, the China Daily said.

Punishment for such crimes would range from warnings to fines, 15 days in detention and expulsion from the country, it said.

``No matter which article foreigners violate, there will be risks of being deported,'' public security ministry official Ke Liangdong was quoted as saying.

Related clauses of the new law require karaoke clubs, discos and nightclubs, notorious fronts for prostitution and drugs in China, to install video-monitoring equipment and put windows in doors of private back rooms normally rented by the hour.

[Juno Audio]

One question to the Chinese government.....what took you so long?

JA

[DayNight]

One question to the Chinese government.....what took you so long?

JA

There is nothing new. I remember a case in the early 90th were a foreigner got deported after being caught with a pro in his hotel room. I can't see any change in policy after reading below and don't believe it was safe before.

[Gualtier Malde]

Doesn't this seem nicely timed with the upcoming People's Congress?

David


There is nothing new. I remember a case in the early 90th were a foreigner got deported after being caught with a pro in his hotel room. I can't see any change in policy after reading below and don't believe it was safe before.

[Santa]

Maybe they should make sex an Olympic Sport and give out medals. It requires good health, stamina and competition. So why not? I bet the chinese would win the gold.

I say "deport the losers and non-performers".

Let the games begin! :D

[Gualtier Malde]

Lends a whole new meaning to Biathalon, Triathalon, and Marathon! I think the Gymnastic Sex would be pretty interesting too...

Oh, and what about the Synchronized Fucking event?

David


Maybe they should make sex an Olympic Sport and give out medals. It requires good health, stamina and concentration. So why not? I bet the chinese would win the gold.

I say "deport the losers and non-performers".

Let the games begin! :D

[SidTheSexist]

Lends a whole new meaning to Biathalon, Triathalon, and Marathon! I think the Gymnastic Sex would be pretty interesting too...

Oh, and what about the Synchronized Fucking event?

David


Biathalon is for Bisexuals. But thats ok cos we all are! If we want sex, we "buy" it.

Triathalons are for Trisexuals. But thats ok cos most of us are!! We will "try" anything once!!!!

So lets go "buy" some sex and "try" anything once and we will have a marathon!!!! :)

sid

[Clandestine782]

I live in a medium sized town that is near enough the countryside (15-20 minutes away) to do some serious whoring for a lower price.

I talked to a contact to find out some things about this, and to let him tell it China was more like Pakistan that I would ever imagine.

He told me to be careful because I could be robbed, and bringing the police into the issue would be fruitless because all these people in the countryside would be related. What's more, even if the police came, the perpetraitors could just escape to "some other countryside."

Now, this man has been consistently wrong about things that he should know about in everyday life here. (He is Chinese.) In fact, he was wrong twice in one day in a major way about things that I could and could not do with my SIM card that I'd purchased from a normal store. My Chinese is not perfect, but it is passable and quite sufficient for the things that I want in every day life. But for technical things (such as asking questions about an account), I have to learn a few new words.

What should I expect going into the countryside? It seems like sometimes when people see me here, they run for cover. (I'm about 6'3 and 240lbs.) So don't even get me started on how many hookers are afraid to get into bed with me. (They've all seen something or another in porn movies and are afraid that they're going to get ruptured if they have sex with a black man.)

What would be the wrong thing to do in order to get in trouble other than the normal hooking/ BBS etiquette? It seems that all the taxi drivers here know exactly what area I'm talking about if I say it in Chinese. Or am I likely to not come back alive? Are the Chinese police really in control of the country only in the big cities? And the countryside is an area of lawlessness?

Send me a reply to my box instead of posting it on the forum. I doubt that the punters will be interested in what needs to be told to a black man in a small town.

[Qqcyber]

I live in a medium sized town that is near enough the countryside (15-20 minutes away) to do some serious whoring for a lower price.

...

Send me a reply to my box instead of posting it on the forum. I doubt that the punters will be interested in what needs to be told to a black man in a small town.Well I might not be black, but other than that I fit the bill, and so do a lot of the rest of us. Share the knowledge!

QQ

[Prince Leo]

Clandestine782

They might be other people with the same problem as you, so I am posting here instead of sending you a PM.

Last year when I was visiting some friends and relatives in country town near GZ, I went to one of the BBS in town and saw two blackmen were paying the mama after their workouts. It turn out that these two frequent this establishment and another one close by.

After my workout, I went to a tea house close by for some food. As I walked in, the two men from the BBS were having a meal as well. They recognized me, smiled, and continued their conversation in English. I approached them and joint them. As it turn out one is from America and the other is British. They are about your size as well. According to them, and I agreement, that the chances of a man their size of getting rob is much less than a local, if you don't do anything stupid, because of physical appearence, Shaq-like in China, and there aren't that many "after-market" guns in China then anywhere in the Western World, and even less in the countryside. With regard to mongering, get to know a couple of the mamas, not too many to spread the words, and stick with them. The first couple of times you might pay a little more, but as time goes on, you become more familiar with establishment, negotiate with them since you are a loyal patron. The first couple of times they paid 160rmb vs the local price of 130rmb. After the 2nd time of their visit to the BBS, the myth from the porns, getting ruptured, will be gone, as long as you are being gentle and nice to the girls, then you can pay the local price. Also, it always help with a smile on your face.

Hope this helps. But do remember, things might be different in your location as they are in others. Use your commom sense. And the last advice that the two men gave me is "DON"T OVERPAY AND RUIN THE MARKET FOR US!"

[SidTheSexist]

Source>thatsbj

Residents of an exclusive Beijing compound say police tried to cover up the
>murder of an American woman in her home this week by saying she died of a
>heart attack. (victims name) died of multiple stab wounds inside her Le Leman
>Lake villa - an estate favoured by wealthy expatriates, including many
>diplomats - in Beijing's Shunyi county on Tuesday, residents say. The
>killer allegedly used a stolen taxi to evade security.
>
>A resident close to the family said the killer also stole at least 20,000
>yuan the woman had withdrawn to pay for furniture due to arrive that day.
>
>A neighbour of the family said the victim's husband, (victim's husbands name), who works as an operations support engineer for US energy firm
>(company name), and son, who attends the (School name),
>were not allowed back into the home for two days afterwards.
>
>The management told us the police told them to say she died of a heart
>attack," the neighbour said. "But it is common knowledge that she was
>murdered." Residents suspect a domestic worker may have overheard the
>husband and wife discussing the money and tipped the thief off.
>
>A member of staff at Leman Lake Property Management confirmed yesterday
>that police told them not to tell residents about the murder investigation.
>An officer at the Criminal Investigation Division under the Beijing Public
>Security Bureau confirmed an investigation was
>under way. (directors name), director of the (son's school name)
>yesterday afternoon sent an e-mail to parents confirming the murder had
>taken place and urging them to take security precautions.
>
>"The police have assured us that they are doing everything within their
>power to investigate the death and to determine what has transpired," the
>e-mail read. "Prudence and good security dictate care with relation to our
>general surroundings. Among other precautions, make sure there are working
>door and window locks in your homes and verify the identity of anyone
>wishing to enter your residence before opening the door."

[German Shuaige]

True story, heard this from one of the neighbors of the family. The ayi of the family figured out that they keep a larger amount of money in the house. She informed her friend that she will go out and walk the dog and he can come in and get it. Somehow the mother came back too early and the stabbing happened.

Although China is normally quite safe, and the bad guys know that if they get involved with a foreigner they go straight to labor camp or soccer stadium for a bullet, you should always use common sense. A year's salary in cash is tempting all over the world.

[Xdentx]

Just an interesting article I came across regarding prostitution in China.

http://www.aegis.com/news/upi/2003/UP030101.html

[LittleGoomba]

Someone could write a book about the crimes, especially murders, done against foreigners in China, not because China is the only place that it happens, but because the crazy cover-ups, bureaucracy, and socio-political-intrigue as a backdrop that is the Middle Kingdom.

[Diver98]

I've looked through the forum thoroughly and I've never seen any comments about these cruises. I'm considering one for my 6th trip to china this fall. The one I"m looking at mentions onboard KTV and massage, so I'm practically certain action is available, just not sure of the price. Also, hoping to hook up with a nice freebie among the non-ktv staff. Anyone had any experiences on these 3 day river cruises?

[BJK]

Diver,
I would also be very interested to know this. I was in Chongqing a while back. I did not get to take a cruise due to time constraints. I would have made time if I had known action was available on board. I would also like the know the passenger mix. Are there many cuties on board?
Seem some boats mention Sauna as well as massage and KTV. 100% guarantee of action I would think.
Only thing is with captive clientele the prices might be high.
Hopefully someone can answer.
Do post a report if you go.

BJK


I've looked through the forum thoroughly and I've never seen any comments about these cruises. I'm considering one for my 6th trip to china this fall. The one I"m looking at mentions onboard KTV and massage, so I'm practically certain action is available, just not sure of the price. Also, hoping to hook up with a nice freebie among the non-ktv staff. Anyone had any experiences on these 3 day river cruises?

[Member #1701]

I went on one of these cruises in the autumn of last year. If you are looking at action on board, you'd probably be disappointed. First of all, the passengers were mostly elderly folks (foreigners) or couples who were on holidays.

The cruise that I took had a Massage / Beauty Salon / Hairdresser place as well, but it was glassed with no back-rooms, so you can safely discount that opportunity. The KTV they're talking about is probably the lounge that doubles up as the gathering place of all passengers in the evenings - sorry, no hostesses doing the lap dance ... just old folks crooning Frank Sinatra lullabys ...

As for the service crew ... yes, there were several that were quite cute looking, but they were working most of the time or otherwise separated into
their crew quarters. Seemed to be quite strict on the restricted interaction between guests / staffs.

Having that said, I would go again only if I had a new gf that I wanted to do
some R&R with. So, if you're looking for a sex-citing time, I'd suggest u bring a lunchbox.

1701

[Bec26]

are you kidding me? this guy wen says the chinese citizens have the right to freedom of speech and freedom of publishing? when will this county cease the lies? when will the people have the freedom to vote for who they want to lead them?

china pm defends net censorship

beijing (dpa) - premier wen jiabao on tuesday defended china's censorship of the internet, saying it was necessary to safeguard "national, social and collective interests."

"every citizen in this country has the freedom of speech and the freedom of publishing," wen told reporters at the end of the annual national people's congress, the nominal parliament of the ruling communist party.

"but at the same time, every citizen must conscientiously abide by law and order to safeguard national, social and collective interests," he said.

wen said the chinese government's management of the internet was "in line with international practices."

"we also maintain that internet businesses should exercise more self-management," he said.

china blocks hundreds of websites that are deemed politically sensitive and tries to keep content broadly in line with the party's ideology.

tens of thousands of smaller internet cafes have been closed, with the government favouring large chains that can be relied upon to monitor and control online activity.

evidence from postings on websites has also been used in the conviction of several dissidents in recent years.

amnesty international last year said it believed that 54 people were imprisoned in china after they were convicted of providing illegal information online.

rights groups also criticized google's decision this year to self-censor its search results in china, and global competitors such as microsoft and yahoo had already complied with chinese censorship requirements.

the firms argue that even censored access to global websites will promote long-term openness in china, which has an estimated 111 million internet users among its 1.3 billion people.

german foreign minister frank-walter steinmeier last month said he had urged wen and other chinese leaders to allow the "same freedom that is usual in our countries" on the internet.

(this article take from bangkokpost.com)

[Prince Leo]

if you consider this to be a lie, then you should consider majority of what the current us administration said to be a lie as well. if not, there must be a double standard on what are lies and what are political interpretations.

every nation has its own culture and its own laws. for example, eating dogs is not considered a crime in china, but can i eat dogs in the us or other western countries and not break the law of the land? i don't think so.

i know that we have freedom of speech on this forum, but we also have the responsibility to try our best not to have this site censored in china. if you do treasure what this forum has to offer, please don't give the authority further reasons to block this site from the bros in china. this is not the place to trash the chinese government as there are other sites available for that purpose. if you want continue the spirit of this forum, sharing mongering info, please limit the anti-chinese government views from being expressed on this board, at least in the china section, because if you know anything about the chinese government, you should know what ticks them off more, politics or mongers. so please be considerate of others who are residing in or visiting china and value the knowledge of the this forum.

ps and, no, i do not work for or has any association with the chinese government though i may sound like it. i just want to do my best to keep this board going in china.



are you kidding me? this guy wen says the chinese citizens have the right to freedom of speech and freedom of publishing? when will this county cease the lies? when will the people have the freedom to vote for who they want to lead them?


china pm defends net censorship

beijing (dpa) - premier wen jiabao on tuesday defended china's censorship of the internet, saying it was necessary to safeguard "national, social and collective interests."

"every citizen in this country has the freedom of speech and the freedom of publishing," wen told reporters at the end of the annual national people's congress, the nominal parliament of the ruling communist party.

"but at the same time, every citizen must conscientiously abide by law and order to safeguard national, social and collective interests," he said.

wen said the chinese government's management of the internet was "in line with international practices."

"we also maintain that internet businesses should exercise more self-management," he said.

china blocks hundreds of websites that are deemed politically sensitive and tries to keep content broadly in line with the party's ideology.

tens of thousands of smaller internet cafes have been closed, with the government favouring large chains that can be relied upon to monitor and control online activity.

evidence from postings on websites has also been used in the conviction of several dissidents in recent years.

amnesty international last year said it believed that 54 people were imprisoned in china after they were convicted of providing illegal information online.

rights groups also criticized google's decision this year to self-censor its search results in china, and global competitors such as microsoft and yahoo had already complied with chinese censorship requirements.

the firms argue that even censored access to global websites will promote long-term openness in china, which has an estimated 111 million internet users among its 1.3 billion people.

german foreign minister frank-walter steinmeier last month said he had urged wen and other chinese leaders to allow the "same freedom that is usual in our countries" on the internet.

(this article take from bangkokpost.com)

[Santa]

Bill Clinton goes jogging.

Bill sees a sexy prostitute on a street corner and shouts "how much?" She answers "$100".

He says "no, I've read the ISG forum, I'll only pay $20".

Next day, Bill goes jogging again, and passes the same prostitute. Bill shouts "how much?". She answers "I already told you, $100". He replies "no, I'll only pay $20".

Next time Bill goes jogging, his wife Hillary goes with him. As they pass the same street corner the prostitute shouts "see what you get for $20!"

Ok guys, enough politics already. :D Let's talk about something we can eat!

[Bill Lee]

I have been told that logging onto isg from China is quirky these days. You're able to log on and then you're kickoff and back on again on its own.

Anybody experiencing this situation?

Bill

[Traveler1234]

I have been told that logging onto isg from China is quirky these days. You're able to log on and then you're kickoff and back on again on its own.

Anybody experiencing this situation?

Bill

Yep, first time got on. Two minutes and thereafter from same location, the browser just spun and spun and timed out. I forgot to jot down some phone numbers and so missed a bunch of brothers last time in Shanghai cuz of this!

[Traveler1234]

Bill Clinton goes jogging.

Bill sees a sexy prostitute on a street corner and shouts "how much?" She answers "$100".

He says "no, I've read the ISG forum, I'll only pay $20".

Next day, Bill goes jogging again, and passes the same prostitute. Bill shouts "how much?". She answers "I already told you, $100". He replies "no, I'll only pay $20".

Next time Bill goes jogging, his wife Hillary goes with him. As they pass the same street corner the prostitute shouts "see what you get for $20!"

Ok guys, enough politics already. :D Let's talk about something we can eat!

It's even funnier if you replace Bill with 'Santa' and Hillary with 'reindeers'....LOL

[Bill Lee]

How about other forbidden sites too?

Just doing a survey of this problem. Wondering if big brother is causing this problem?

Bill


Yep, first time got on. Two minutes and thereafter from same location, the browser just spun and spun and timed out. I forgot to jot down some phone numbers and so missed a bunch of brothers last time in Shanghai cuz of this!

[IamLookin]

I would like to know where in China i should go? Never been there and I am looking for best location/city?
thanks

[Bill Lee]

alot about what you're expecting. Like you want quickies and on the cheap? KTVs, what's your budget? You looking to stay at cheap hotels or five stars type?

Are you willing to deal with the cold or prefer warmer climate? You should do your city research first and then get on this board to read the posts in each area.

We're happy to help you but to ask such a general question, it's hard to give an answer.


Bill



I would like to know where in China i should go? Never been there and I am looking for best location/city?
thanks

[Gualtier Malde]

You should consider your experience with Asia in general. Especially, can you speak the language, or will you have a local with you? If not, you might want to stick to places like Shanghai, or Beijing, which are a little easier for westerners than some of the smaller towns. But do follow Bill's advice and do some homework, read the forum first, then ask your (informed) questions.

David


alot about what you're expecting. Like you want quickies and on the cheap? KTVs, what's your budget? You looking to stay at cheap hotels or five stars type?

Are you willing to deal with the cold or prefer warmer climate? You should do your city research first and then get on this board to read the posts in each area.

We're happy to help you but to ask such a general question, it's hard to give an answer.


Bill

[Zoo TV]

I heard on CNN that there is a web browser that will bypass China s gov blocks for websites. Does anyone know the name of this browser?

Thanks,

Zoo

[Csun213]

I would like to know where in China i should go? Never been there and I am looking for best location/city?
thanks

If you have never been to China before I would recommend Shenzhen. The reason is that you would be very close to Hong Kong, Maccu and Shenzhen. This way you can check out 3 places for the price of one airline ticket.

[Cebu Local]

If you have never been to China before I would recommend Shenzhen. The reason is that you would be very close to Hong Kong, MACAU and Shenzhen. This way you can check out 3 places for the price of one airline ticket.
But Maybe He might be better off with a Hong Kong and Shenzen Combo.The english language skills in the Macau Zhuhai area are not as good as the Shenzen /Hong Kong area.He could get his feet wet in Hong Kong before crossing the border,

[SidTheSexist]

I heard on CNN that there is a web browser that will bypass China s gov blocks for websites. Does anyone know the name of this browser?

Thanks,

Zoo


Theres loads of info on the thai boards on this topic. They seem to be confronting a crackdown, down there and so the issue has been raised quite recently. Im no internet buff, but Im sure that some of these programs which the thai brothers talk about would work equally as well in the P.R..

sid

[Juno Audio]

I don't want to go into too much detail, but there are reasons why Com***ist works in China and not the Western World, and reasons why Democracy works else where but China...............

Thats a laugh....no offense but.....to me, Com u nism has never worked in China. If it did, why would people from the mainland flee to Hong Kong by the hundreds and thousands from before 1949 up to the 1970s? I can understand why they want to run before 1949, but in the 70s? Believe me, I've heard people were still trying to flee China in that decade. Why? Could it be Com u nism isn't working out too well?

Now after 1980, China really isn't com u ist anymore with their new policy. So my question is when did com u nism worked during 1949 to 1979? And why did they have to change it.....if it works, don't fix it...right?

For your information, Democracy is still working in China, and working well, it worked from 1911 up to now, but the name was forced to change to Taiwan by the other China, that's all.

Prince Leo, if you don't reply, that is fine with me, I won't bring this up again even if you do, cause you said the government don't like people talking bad about them....right?

This is my last fifty cents

JA

[Santa]

Ok guys, please write about where to find Miss Pussy.

This is not the Comparative Political Systems Forum.

[Prince Leo]

I don't want to further my political view any further on this forum, 1 because that is not what this forum is intended, 2, I want to keep this forum to be accessible in China. Please read my last post before you comment.


Thats a laugh....no offense but.....to me, Com u nism has never worked in China. If it did, why would people from the mainland flee to Hong Kong by the hundreds and thousands from before 1949 up to the 1970s? I can understand why they want to run before 1949, but in the 70s? Believe me, I've heard people were still trying to flee China in that decade. Why? Could it be Com u nism isn't working out too well?

Now after 1980, China really isn't com u ist anymore with their new policy. So my question is when did com u nism worked during 1949 to 1979? And why did they have to change it.....if it works, don't fix it...right?

For your information, Democracy is still working in China, and working well, it worked from 1911 up to now, but the name was forced to change to Taiwan by the other China, that's all.

Prince Leo, if you don't reply, that is fine with me, I won't bring this up again even if you do, cause you said the government don't like people talking bad about them....right?

This is my last fifty cents

JA

[Blacklisted]

-for this kind of bullshit. I'm sure you can air your decidedly intellectual political analysis that way. Thanks.

[Admin]

Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson

[Samyt]

Hi there,

I love to go on Adult Friend Finder to find some woman, but since I am in China (3 week) I am not able to access to search engine.

I know that china gov lock some web site, I also try to get to some other sex site but does not work.

I also know that there is some way to get in with some other software than Iternet explorer. Could you give me some Idivice? I need my fix of girl ;o).

Thanks for your help

Sam

[Mac 2]

Samyt,

Just go to proxy4free dot com copy and paste an IP into ur browser's proxy seetings and change the port accordingly.

You have to try several and might change them every couple of days.

but it is a good and simple way.

Any problems, PM me.

MAC 2


Hi there,

I love to go on Adult Friend Finder to find some woman, but since I am in China (3 week) I am not able to access to search engine.

I know that china gov lock some web site, I also try to get to some other sex site but does not work.

I also know that there is some way to get in with some other software than Iternet explorer. Could you give me some Idivice? I need my fix of girl ;o).

Thanks for your help

Sam

[Qqcyber]

One pretty reliable method of beating the firewall is to use a program called tor (and a couple of helper programs) which sends your requests from lots of other computers. Once it's set up it's easy to use and to turn on/off.

For download and install instructions google for tor windows:

- it should be top of the list.

-qq

http://tor.eff.org/doc/tor-doc-win32.html

[Gualtier Malde]

I have a 2 year, multiple entry, 30 day per visit business visa. Is it sufficient for me to go to hong kong and then reenter to satisfy the length of stay issue? Is that considered leaving China?

Thanks,

David

[Qqcyber]

I have a 2 year, multiple entry, 30 day per visit business visa. Is it sufficient for me to go to hong kong and then reenter to satisfy the length of stay issue? Is that considered leaving China?Yes

(and here are some more words so my reply is more than ten characters)

[Kunshan]

Yes, leaving mainland China is all you need to do.


I have a 2 year, multiple entry, 30 day per visit business visa. Is it sufficient for me to go to hong kong and then reenter to satisfy the length of stay issue? Is that considered leaving China?

Thanks,

David

[Santa]

Here is some friendly advise or reminders for those who may need it.

1. Money. Leave ALL of your valuables in a safe place while searching for fun, preferably the hotel safe. That includes expensive items, ID, checks, cash, credit cards and atm cards. Carry a photo copy of your ID and visa with you, in case the police want to see it, and only enough cash for that evening. Hide the money, don't keep it in your wallet.

Thugs will go to an atm machine with you and force you to make a withdrawal, but they will not want to go to your hotel.

2. Pimps. Never follow pimps or touts! Never follow a street tout (or any tout) to a ktv, girly bar, shop, apartment, etc. I have a special hatred of pimps. Selling pussy is ladies work.

I think mamas are usually safer, more honest, and more sympathetic to the girls situation.

Use this forum to find your girls and report back if there was a problem.

3. Sidewalk Susie. It is common for mamas to take you to an apartment to see girls. However, be careful. Never follow a streetwalker, or any girl you meet on the street, to her place or any other place she wants to steer you to. Take her to your place, or your choice of venue.

Girls doing scams often work in pairs and invite you to go somewhere.

4. Thief! Yes, many of these girls will steal from you while you are not looking, or while you are in the bathroom, or asleep. Keep them honest by not giving them that opportunity.

5. Lady for rent. As always, negotiate price, services, number of shots and amount of time in your room. Ask the girl to turn off her cellphone before taking her home.

6. KTV invitation. If you are "invited" to a ktv, be careful. You might find yourself holding a large bill and surrounded by thugs. Only go with very experienced friends you know you can trust. Before you go, agree on who pays for what and how much you want to spend.

7. KTV costs. KTVs are famous for charging "extras". Make sure you understand the cost of EVERYTHING. Room fee, service tips, food, drinks, girl fees, mama fees, take out costs.

8. Want a drink? Some scams involve expensive teas or "complimentary" champagne. If you buy "ladies drinks" make sure you know the price before you order, and that it's per bottle or glass. When the bill arrives they might charge per shot, with four shots in each glass. Pay for the drink as soon as it arrives and before she drinks it.

9. Haircut? Barbershop girls will try to get you horny and then quote you a high price, while you are excited. Agree to prices and services before you go into the playroom.

10. Read the Forum and learn from our mistakes. Report back.

Hope that helps somebody. No need to be paranoid. China is reasonably safe and most people are honest. We just want you to stay safe and have fun.

[Gualtier Malde]

I think everyone should read this post and heed your advice. In fact, your post has been hereby submitted to the Reports of Distinction.

David


Here is some friendly advise or reminder for those who may need it. Remember this!

1. Leave ALL of your valuables in a safe place while searching for fun, preferably the hotel safe, including ID, checks, cash, credit and atm cards. Carry a photo copy of your ID and visa with you, and only enough cash for the evening.

2. Never follow a street tout to a ktv, girly bar, apartment, etc. Use this forum to find a good venue and report back if there was a problem.

3. It is common for mamas to take you to an apartment to see girls. However, be careful, never follow a streetwalker, or a girl you meet on the street, to her place or any other place she wants to steer you to. Take her to your place, or your choice of venue.

4. Yes, many of these girls will steal from you when you are not looking, in the bathroom or asleep. Keep them honest by not giving them the opportunity.

5. If you are "invited" to a ktv, be careful. You might find yourself holding a large bill and surrounded by thugs. Only go with very experienced friends you can trust. Agree on who pays for what.

6. KTVs are famous for charging "extras". Make sure you understand the cost of EVERYTHING before you agree.

7. BBS girls will try to get you horny in the back room and then fleece you.
Agree to prices and services before you go into the playroom.

Hope that helps somebody.

Does anybody have others to add?

[Kunshan]

Great post, one suggestion! swap No. 2 to No. 1 position, remove "Street", touts seem to be everywhere thesedays, not just on the streets, and the best thing a tout can do for you is increase the price you pay, the worst,,,,,

[Santa]

Thank you David and Changshu. Wow! It's like being in the Hall of Fame.

I have made many changes to the post.

If any of you mongers think of something I missed, any way to improve it, or if you disagree, please let me know. I will edit the post.

[Juno Audio]

Oh...I see the logic now, if we continue to comment on politics, they will block this site inside China. But if we continue to degrade their women, they will look the other way. No problem there....

sorry Jackson, this is my last time.

JA

[Santa]

To our friend Juno Audio.

I have always read your well written and interesting posts. You are obviously an educated and interesting man.

I think it is fair to say that the vast majority of the guys here, including Jackson, are very opposed to degrading or abusing the women, and we know that much of that goes on in the world of prostitution. You have already written several very good posts about that and we share your concerns.

Your last post, and Prince Leo's, was too involved with political arguments. We are also educated guys and we already know about those problems and issues. It is best to let the chinese people and government work that out for themselves. We don't need to debate that here. Wrong Forum!

Please continue to post, about women. Don't be upset because of one small reprimand.

Juno, please chill out and relax. We are friends exchanging info.

[Santa]

Going to China?

If you don't know any chinese I recommend the following.

Modern Chinese. A Basic Course (Cassette Edition). By the faculty of Peking University. Dover books. ISBN 0-486-99910-6. About $20

Oxford Starter Chinese Dictionary. ISBN 0-19-860258-8. About $16

Making Out in Chinese. Ray Daniels. Yenbooks. ISBN 4-900737-13-6 Make sure you get the new edition with standard pinyin. About $10

The new edition of Lonely Planet's Mandarin Phrasebook does not use standard pinyin, so don't buy that. The old edition is good.

[Parasitius]

I don't expect anyone to be OVERLY specific, but few people on here mention even the slightest thing about their jobs! Few of you talk like you are English teacher, so I presume there are quite a few with expat positions and (I wonder if not) expat salaries ?

Do you think there is any hope for a recent graduate without experience to find something decent (~15k minimum) anywhere in China ? Where would you recommend hunting and how ? (Hey, it's like the stone age just the same, life is hunting jobs and women lol).

[Juno Audio]

Santa, thanks for your concern. To answer your post.....I may be sarcastic, but I never (try not anyway) to get myself involved in a heated arguement. No need to chill me. If I get any cooler, I'll be frozen.

I do like to discuss about politics, but not in a way of "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude. What really bothers me is that people claim to know all about China while they only lived there maybe ten, twenty years.

Enough said.

JA

[Kunshan]

I do like to discuss about politics, but not in a way of "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude. What really bothers me is that people claim to know all about China while they only lived there maybe ten, twenty years.

Enough said.

JA

I always think that there is a direct correlation between time spent in China and how much people talk about what they know about China, the longer people stay, the less they say, ie: the longer someone stays in China the more they know that they don't know.

[Blacklisted]

I don't expect anyone to be OVERLY specific, but few people on here mention even the slightest thing about their jobs! Few of you talk like you are English teacher, so I presume there are quite a few with expat positions and (I wonder if not) expat salaries ?

Do you think there is any hope for a recent graduate without experience to find something decent (~15k minimum) anywhere in China ? Where would you recommend hunting and how ? (Hey, it's like the stone age just the same, life is hunting jobs and women lol).

What sort of position/work are you looking for?
I'd say the best way to get here and work on the kind of package you seek would be to work for a multinational in your own country with the intention of eventually moving to China.

Another hugely important factor for a grad is the ability to write and speak Chinese. Without that, your job is much more difficult.

That said, however, I know people that can't speak a lick, but have found positions, albeit poorly paid, through initially working as an English teacher then gaining connections.

The lesson for me so far has been, it's not what you know...

Good luck!

And June... Please dude...

[Parasitius]

Tripper In Town: Hrm. Given my background, I'd be most suited for IT type stuff. But given the excess of graduates in that field in China, I wouldn't put many eggs in the basket for that at all. Basically -- I've heard of many a case where foreigners were hired to do something completely outside of their domain of expertise. So, if I can find something like that, working at some company =) I'm up for learning/experiencing new things.

I've heard of the multinational-transfer-over idea before, and there are conflicting reports. Some people say that local expat hiring is the trend now, since they can pay much less. The transfer-over type deal isn't an option for me right now, though if things go badly enough I might find a way to do that 3-4 years down the road.

As for Chinese level -- at what level do you think it becomes an asset ? I'm pretty okay for normal conversation. I can't read a book, but... I have no problem surfing the Chinese mongering sites and reading the reports LOL

[St Germain]

I don't expect anyone to be OVERLY specific, but few people on here mention even the slightest thing about their jobs! Few of you talk like you are English teacher, so I presume there are quite a few with expat positions and (I wonder if not) expat salaries ?

Do you think there is any hope for a recent graduate without experience to find something decent (~15k minimum) anywhere in China ? Where would you recommend hunting and how ? (Hey, it's like the stone age just the same, life is hunting jobs and women lol).

Without experience it will be tough. If you speak/write Chinese at a high level, that helps a bit, but again you have to ask yourself what you can bring to the table that a local person with good English cannot.

I don't know how good your Chinese is. If it's only so-so, and if you are committed to a career in China, then your first step is to get here, study Chinese full-time and get it learned. You most likely won't have the time and energy to learn it properly once you have started working.

Next step is to consider what kind of position you want. For management-level people with years of experience, there are a wide range of opportunities.

But for younger people with little experience, I think your best bet is a company whose clients are multinationals operating here in China and where the decision-makers within the client companies are foreigners. There you have an inherent advantage over a local employee, who most likely can't handle foreigners as well as you could. In this regard, I think sales and consulting are the most likely areas where your services vis-a-vis multinational clients would be needed.

If your Chinese is already very good and if you can be a little patient, I suggest you get 2 years or so of good experience under your belt in your home country first.

But again it really depends on what line of work you want to go into. If you want to go into sales, then a few years experience is probably enough to get you into a junior salesperson role here in China. But if you want to go into finance/accounting, for example, it will be awfully tough to find anything until you are around senior management level.

Another option to look into is working in Hong Kong. The HK economy is doing better now and so the job market might have improved. You might have more opportunities there to begin with. And this way you are still in Asia and very close to the mainland (an hour away from all that pootie in Shenzhen). Once you have a few years of experience in HK, you would have a much better chance of getting a decent position in mainland China. Perhaps the company you are working for in HK will move its regional HQ to Shanghai (many are these days) and they will have you move along with it.

Just my $0.02 based on my own observations.

Count

[Blacklisted]

Tripper In Town: Hrm. Given my background, I'd be most suited for IT type stuff. But given the excess of graduates in that field in China, I wouldn't put many eggs in the basket for that at all. Basically -- I've heard of many a case where foreigners were hired to do something completely outside of their domain of expertise. So, if I can find something like that, working at some company =) I'm up for learning/experiencing new things.

I've heard of the multinational-transfer-over idea before, and there are conflicting reports. Some people say that local expat hiring is the trend now, since they can pay much less. The transfer-over type deal isn't an option for me right now, though if things go badly enough I might find a way to do that 3-4 years down the road.

As for Chinese level -- at what level do you think it becomes an asset ? I'm pretty okay for normal conversation. I can't read a book, but... I have no problem surfing the Chinese mongering sites and reading the reports LOL


St. Germain's advice is also pretty bang-on from my experience...

But then again, determination and means can work wonders and the pace is so fast over here, especially in big four, that opportunities are in abundance.

If you have the financial support to wait it out while you develop some guanxi, why not give it a crack and live out your dreams!

There's nothing worse that sitting around somewhere thinking, ' I could be...' or, 'I'm gonna...'. Sometimes you just need to do it!

There's always a huge demand for English teachers at the very least, and while it may not advance your career, it can give you the support you need, and hey, after a few years work experience in China, you are gold back in the west, because most of those dudes don't know Chinese from Iraqies!


Good luck, and let us know how you go! There's also a strong network of mongering buddies over here to party with!

[Dumamay]

Anybody can change if they want

First, Washington and his henchmen favored a topdown controlling goverment. But some other guys did not like it (aka conflicts of interests, since one party system would release the south, and slaves would flood NY-> caucasians lost jobs), and changed that to a system of 2 major parties, and ONLY two major parties. What a democrazy!

So Juno, study back your book of US PS before you show off your corrosive junk of knowledge of China, the first united states in the world, and the longest democracy of mankind

[SidTheSexist]

i have heard from a few different people about this "make easy money" procedure, but now one of my good friends has been thrown the line and is almost about to bite. im wondering if anyone else has either heard of or taken part in this and if so, what was the outcome? is it a scam or is it genuine.
just to bring everyone up to speed, apparently, a foreigner can only import one foreign car into china per every 4-6 years. there are now "agents" offering anyone the chance to gain a working z visa and 3-5000rmb in cash to allow one of these agents to use your passport to import a car, obviously so that they can benefit from the profits of the sale. once the car has been imported, you sign the details over to the agent so he is free to sell the car on to the growing chinese market who are looking for hard to get foreign motors.
personally, i smell a rat and dont have much trust in this, but im just wondering if anyone can shed some light on the situation before my friend makes a decision.
cheers
sid

[Kunshan]

i have heard from a few different people about this "make easy money" procedure, but now one of my good friends has been thrown the line and is almost about to bite. im wondering if anyone else has either heard of or taken part in this and if so, what was the outcome? is it a scam or is it genuine.
just to bring everyone up to speed, apparently, a foreigner can only import one foreign car into china per every 4-6 years. there are now "agents" offering anyone the chance to gain a working z visa and 3-5000rmb in cash to allow one of these agents to use your passport to import a car, obviously so that they can benefit from the profits of the sale. once the car has been imported, you sign the details over to the agent so he is free to sell the car on to the growing chinese market who are looking for hard to get foreign motors.
personally, i smell a rat and dont have much trust in this, but im just wondering if anyone can shed some light on the situation before my friend makes a decision.
cheers
sid

i have a friend who helped a friend to do this, no problems.
i think your friend should be ok, just ask for as much cash as he can, worst case scenerio is the passport is stolen and he needs to get it replaced,,,or if he doesn't know the people then he might find his passport is being used in a fake marriage scam!!! hahaha

[SidTheSexist]

I have a friend who helped a friend to do this, no problems.
I think your friend should be OK, just ask for as much cash as he can, worst case scenerio is the passport is stolen and he needs to get it replaced,,,or if he doesn't know the people then he might find his passport is being used in a fake marriage scam!!! Hahaha

Changshu,
Is it necessary to gain the Z visa in order to import the car. My mate doesn't particular want (or need) a Z visa but could do with the backhander in his pocket.
cheers
sid

[Kunshan]

yes, the reason that they want your friends' passport is that foreigners that live/work here can get the duty free car. You need the Z visa to show that you "live" in China.

[St Germain]

i have heard from a few different people about this "make easy money" procedure, but now one of my good friends has been thrown the line and is almost about to bite. im wondering if anyone else has either heard of or taken part in this and if so, what was the outcome? is it a scam or is it genuine.
just to bring everyone up to speed, apparently, a foreigner can only import one foreign car into china per every 4-6 years. there are now "agents" offering anyone the chance to gain a working z visa and 3-5000rmb in cash to allow one of these agents to use your passport to import a car, obviously so that they can benefit from the profits of the sale. once the car has been imported, you sign the details over to the agent so he is free to sell the car on to the growing chinese market who are looking for hard to get foreign motors.
personally, i smell a rat and dont have much trust in this, but im just wondering if anyone can shed some light on the situation before my friend makes a decision.
cheers
sid

i would be very careful about this. don't think you can just "sign the details over to the agent" so easily. transfer of ownership (called "过户" guo4 hu4) of an imported car is subject to limitations.

i have colleagues who have imported cars, so we are somewhat familiar with the regulations.

the rule allowing foreigners to import cars is limited to personal use only for the first 2 years, i.e. it is not allowed to resell the car to any third party within 2 years of importing it.

after 2 years, you can sell it, but only to another foreigner.

you can't sell it to a chinese national until 6 years after importing it.

so if the agent tells you it is easy just to "sign the car over to him" he's probably lying.

so my guess here is that the agent would make you sign some fake documents to make you think that ownership has been transferred when in reality the car is still registered under your name.

having someone you don't know driving a car that is registered under your name is a risky proposition. imagine that, one fine day, whoever is driving the car hits and kills a pedestrian. the driver runs away (it's not "his" car) and so whom do the police go after? that's right, the registered owner of the car.

is all this risk worth 5,000 rmb? i don't think so.

i was asked to do this once, and i flat out refused.

count

[Dragon D]

Heya,

St.Germain mentioned friends bringing in cars. Can you tell me the process and regulations and taxes involved? Thanks. Want to bring my 1996 benz convertible into China but heard about taxes and not being able to put a plate on it beacuse inspection would be very hard. Thanks for any information you can provide.

[Phantomtiger2]

Budget airlines for travel within China- any websites?

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Plan to travel within China and visit various places for tourist sites and of course mongering. Travel within China dont seem cheap on the searches I checked on the web. Any bros have any websites and cheap airlines that I should use for China travel.
Some Places I plan to fly within China: Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou (or Shenshen) and others if time allows.

Thanks
PT

[Admin]

Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson

[Tiger 888]

dicsounted flights in China:
www.ctrip.com
www.elong.com

[Juno Audio]

I know the discussion of selling cars definitely doesn't comply to the purpose of this forum, but flight information should be OK, right? If you can't get here, you ain't gonna have sex with anybody.

Just a thought...

[Tiger 888]

I know the discussion of selling cars definitely doesn't comply to the purpose of this forum, but flight information should be OK, right? If you can't get here, you ain't gonna have sex with anybody.
Just a thought...

Thats why I answered.
Actually the steady personal flames specially in the thai board, in the Davao thread and lately in the thai photo section disturb me more than an interresting question for insiders in china twice a year.
If I may suggest something: it might be an idea to put up a question like this and ask for answers by pm. Then anyone interrested could ask for the answers by pm and the board doesn't get flooded with off topic posts. After all we are a community willing to help each other and preventing brothers from scams so that they can monger peacefully.

Tiger

[Santa]

A friend told me she heard about a new restaurant in China where sexy girls have the menu on their bums. Yum, yum! Looks like something good to eat!

I think it must be some kind of Hooter's copycat.

Does anybody know anything about that? Name and location?

I'm trying to change the discussion away from cars and aeroplanes.

[FairTourist]

Do somebody have a map with all hotels of Guangzhou or alle areas like Tianhe? In english perhaps? Or do somebody know a link on a website?

[Hoeman]

A friend told me she heard about a new restaurant in China where sexy girls have the menu on their bums. Yum, yum! Looks like something good to eat!

I think it must be some kind of Hooter's copycat.

Does anybody know anything about that?

I'm trying to change the discussion away from cars and aeroplanes.

Hi Santa,

Any idea if diners are allowed to touch the menu? Simply looking may not be enough.

[Santa]

I've just finished reading a very well written report by member Xiangjiao in the Qingdao thread. "Worst night of my mongering life" 02-23-06 parts 1,2,and3. Thank you Xiangjiao.

An honest confession about what happened when he had too much cash in his pocket, too much beer in his belly, and a hard one in his pants. Good reading and a lesson to be learned.

Do not trust taxi drivers.

I suggest, when going mongering, only bring enough cash for that night. What you aint got, the thugs aint gonna get. If you don't have lots of cash on you, or an atm card, then what can they do?

Any opinions or comments?

[LittleGoomba]

To follow up Santa, this is something that's occurred to me too, to bring just enough money and nothing else. What could they do?

Now, I've been fortunate to never been in a really serious situation so I have no idea what could or couldn't happen to me if I was faced with paying a bill that I literally could not pay while facing four or five thugs. Wondering if people could share their stories. It would good to know that in most situations, the thieves will indeed back off if you have nothing to offer them.

In my one and only semi-serious situation, I made it clear that I didn't have it (lying) and was perfectly willing to sit there all the live long day. On the other hand, they weren't threatening at all and didn't seem that interested to pursue it. I left only paying 500 of a 1500,1600Y bill.

[Xiangjiao]

dear santa,

(ha, ha)

thanks for your kind words about my posts. i won't let it get to my head (no pun intended). like i said, it was highly therapeutic to write it all down and share it with fellow mongerers.

yeah, i learned my lesson. i was carrying my wallet then, which had my bank and credit cards (and lots of other valuable cards like id). on all my subsequent first-time visits to potential fs saunas, i now bring cash only, and only the maximum amount i'm willing to spend, which in qingdao is y400. unfortunately (!), all the saunas i've visited since then have turned out to be "safe." and i have not since then been threatened with a shake down. but i've learned my lesson and no longer even carry a wallet (which has my cards in it) when visiting a place for the first time, just a money clip and cash.

[Blacklisted]

I usually have a mongering wallet with nothing (although Santa would recommend a photocopy of passport, but perhaps not in the actual wallet) but my cash for the night and leave my real wallet in the safe. Might help make it look like you're being honest when you offer to let them look in your wallet.

It's a great way to prevent overspending on booze as well, which is dangerous in China (especially in Shanghai), and especially for me!!

[DayNight]

1. just don't carry too much cash around.

2. don't carry things you don't plan to use (drivers license, credit cards)

3. use alcohol in moderation

4. a 2nd wallet is a good idea, maybe a good way getting rid of my rubles....


Xiangjiao
I just read your story. So did you met the last years girl in the end?

[Xiangjiao]

Dear DayNight,

Not sure who you mean by "last years girl," but just in case you mean the KTV stripper, yeah, once I got to my "VIP room" at the sauna, I called her and convinced her (after several SMSes back and forth) to spend the night with me at the sauna. But then the sauna guys wouldn't let me bring girls in from outside, so had to let her down. Right after that I met the sauna boy who took me out to the BBSes in the residential area (xiaoqu) behind the sauna.

Two weeks later though, the KTV stripper SMSed me out of the blue to ask if I was still in town. We ended up meeting for lunch that day. But she was a lot less attractive than I remembered, not just in terms of looks but also personality. This seems to be happening a lot with me lately. Maybe the adrenaline and booze make all the KTV girls and other SPs look hotter at night while you're on their territory doing the hunting.

[Phantomtiger2]

Why not have two wallets?


This may not always work unless the 2nd wallet is hidden somewhere very, very private---place someone wont touch. Friend I knew was mugged in China by several thugs and he was body searched by them to see if he was lying about not having any more money (just like what the police would do for hidden items). I think he wouldve gotten a good beating if they found a 2nd wallet and he said nothing about it.

[Phantomtiger2]

Going to China?

If you don't know any chinese I recommend the following.

Modern Chinese. A Basic Course (Cassette Edition). By the faculty of Peking University. Dover books. ISBN 0-486-99910-6. About $20

Oxford Starter Chinese Dictionary. ISBN 0-19-860258-8. About $16

Making Out in Chinese. Ray Daniels. Yenbooks. ISBN 4-900737-13-6 Make sure you get the new edition with standard pinyin. About $10

The new edition of Lonely Planet's Mandarin Phrasebook does not use standard pinyin, so don't buy that. The old edition is good.


I am interested in learning some Chinese (manderin ) but not quite sure what a standard pinyin is? I know some very basic Cantonese but not enough for a conversation, just basic enough for prices, asking directions etc.
Also what would be a good time frame for getting to know enough manderin before my visit--1 month of practice?
I know everyone learns at a different pace (and Im not the best student of any language) but a rough approximate time would help.

PT

[Three I]

http://forum.******.com/index.php?o=topic&act=show&id=134564&page=1

[Traveler1234]

I am interested in learning some Chinese (manderin ) but not quite sure what a standard pinyin is? I know some very basic Cantonese but not enough for a conversation, just basic enough for prices, asking directions etc.
Also what would be a good time frame for getting to know enough manderin before my visit--1 month of practice?
I know everyone learns at a different pace (and Im not the best student of any language) but a rough approximate time would help.

PT

Maybe in one month, if you did 1-1 tutor for 2 hrs a day, you'd be able to do very basic conversation....speaking is relatively easy, no much grammer. It's the tones that will kill you.

[Traveler1234]

http://forum.******.com/index.php?o=topic&act=show&id=134564&page=1

It's their discussion forum and apparently the page you hotlinked is filled with posts by a member name 'Happpy'. He's flashing pix of girls with date of when they(girls) got on the 141 listing, etc. If you go to page 3, you'll see english posts plus email address for happpy

It's like any other forum, tells you when posted, the member's ID number (I guess that's what they do, assign member #), when you joined, etc.
It gives you ability to post, pm but you have to register first.

I'm pretty sure jackson is going to delete your post as it's against forum rules to put up another site url....

[Blacklisted]

Maybe in one month, if you did 1-1 tutor for 2 hrs a day, you'd be able to do very basic conversation....speaking is relatively easy, no much grammer. It's the tones that will kill you.

You must be kidding, unless you mean basic as in hello, thank you and fine thanks. Even then you'd be lucky as hell for anyone to understand you with relatively no tonal knowledge. It takes two years give or take to get a grasp on tones.

I'd say study for five hours a day, preferably lesson time, plus extra for one month and then maybe you could get beyond the ni hao xie xie phase.

If that's unattainable, I would suggest definitely get lessons, forget learning yourself out of a book until you reach a certain level of competency where you're able to work things out yourself.

As with any language a very strong desire to learn and a damn good memory are really all you need.

But for a bit of fun, try for a basic 10 phrases and the number system which is relatively easy just to whet your whistle. If you like it, then take it up full time. It's a great language and the writing is pure art! Really cool.

Good luck!

[DrKnolle]

Fully agree, this holds true for me and most of the guy I know trying to learn manadarin. I am taking 1-1 classes 3 times a week for 3 months now, and progress is VERY slow. Pronounciation is very difficult, not only the tones.

However, probably also depending on the degree of language talent one brings into the game, one of my friends progresses much quicker.

Overall, I recommend to invest 4-6 weeks in full-time classes if possible as a start up, at least that what I think I am missing. For me, personally, the rate of forgetting what I just lkearned is just incredibly high, so the time I would need to spend on revising is so high that I have to skip it, because I am just not in the mood of learning when I come home from work at 10pm.


You must be kidding, unless you mean basic as in hello, thank you and fine thanks. Even then you'd be lucky as hell for anyone to understand you with relatively no tonal knowledge. It takes two years give or take to get a grasp on tones.

I'd say study for five hours a day, preferably lesson time, plus extra for one month and then maybe you could get beyond the ni hao xie xie phase.

If that's unattainable, I would suggest definitely get lessons, forget learning yourself out of a book until you reach a certain level of competency where you're able to work things out yourself.

As with any language a very strong desire to learn and a damn good memory are really all you need.

But for a bit of fun, try for a basic 10 phrases and the number system which is relatively easy just to whet your whistle. If you like it, then take it up full time. It's a great language and the writing is pure art! Really cool.

Good luck!

[Santa]

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]I am interested in learning some Chinese (manderin ) but not quite sure what a standard pinyin is?

What is "standard pinyin"?

It is the officially sanctioned spelling of chinese words using the Roman alphabet. Once you learn the chinese pinyin system it is completely consistent, so study that only.

Many books try to use their own spelling system, or try to spell the words "the way they sound". Avoid those books. That is true of the "new" Lonely Planet Phrasebook. Bad idea!

Learn only the standard spelling.

The book I recommended, Modern Chinese, is available in western bookshops. It is not expensive, comes with tapes, and gives a good introduction to the four tones. It is basic. You don't need to study the complicated grammatical explanations.

On this forum we often represent the four tones by using 1,2,3, and 4.

Pinyin = Pin1yin1 = spell sound

Hong Kong = Xiang1gang3 = Fragrant harbour.

Shanghai = Shang4hai3 = Up, on or upon sea.

Haibian = Hai3bian1 = Seaside

Hainan = Hai3nan2 Dao3 = SeaSouth Island

Chui1, cao4, ta yang4yang4 dou1 xing2. Suck, fuck, she every-every all do.

Ta yangyang dou xing ma? Does she do it all?

I agree with Traveler, the tones take a lot of work and are absolutely necessary. I also agree with Tripper, becoming conversational takes years of study and practice. But it is interesting and fun.

My chinese is very basic and poor. But I'm trying to learn. That's good!

[XXL]

You must be kidding, unless you mean basic as in hello, thank you and fine thanks.
I have five foreign languages under my belt and I probably pick up foreign languages as quickly as humanly possible. Indeed, in my dreams I often wish I could trade some of my language skills for other useful womanizing skills, like salsa dancing, at which I'm rather hopeless.

Still, I took up Chinese two months ago and I don't expect to have got anywhere before another six months intensive learning have elapsed. Chinese has two features that are new to people born to European languages: tones and Chinese characters. There's no quick fix for either of those for anybody.

The dangerous phase in learning a language is when you know enough to get yourself into trouble but not enough to get yourself out of it. Usually, this means you know enough to say things but you only understand what people tell you in return one time out of five. Then it may be better to stick to English and let people shoulder the burden of not understanding what you say.

[Traveler1234]

You must be kidding, unless you mean basic as in hello, thank you and fine thanks.
If that's unattainable, I would suggest definitely get lessons, forget learning yourself out of a book until you reach a certain level of competency where you're able to work things out yourself..

Good luck!

Tripper: what I said was 1-1 tutor for 2 hrs a day for 30 days (plus assumption that you would do homework on your own). After 30 days, if diligent, you can have very basic conversation ability....enough to say hello, i luv you, etc.

Keep in mind I said 1-1 tutor with professional teacher. It's been done, trust me - I have many classmates from 70's in Taiwan who after 30 days were able to get by in Taipei.

[Sammon]

Where can I get a electronic pocket size English- Chinese translator. Any info will be appreciated.

[Barca Paseo]

Where can I get a electronic pocket size English- Chinese translator. Any info will be appreciated.If you have a PDA I know of one software that you can download that is called Pleco. Just google them for their website.

You might check if Canon has developed any for Chinese/English as their Wordtank electronic dictionaries for Japanese are standard "equipment" for Japanese learners.

[Prince Leo]

In terms of spoken language, Mandarin is much easier to learn for European Language speakers compare to other dialects, especially the Southern Dialects. For example, the hardest part of learning speaking Chinese is the tones, Mandarin has 5 tones (4+1), and Cantonese has 8. Long time ago, I used to provide one-on-one tutoring for some high school teachers, in the states, to learn Chinese. It took them about 2 months to get the basic Mandarins, and about 4-5 months to know the basic Cantonese. Good Luck on learning the language.

[Blacklisted]

Tripper: what I said was 1-1 tutor for 2 hrs a day for 30 days (plus assumption that you would do homework on your own). After 30 days, if diligent, you can have very basic conversation ability....enough to say hello, i luv you, etc.

Keep in mind I said 1-1 tutor with professional teacher. It's been done, trust me - I have many classmates from 70's in Taiwan who after 30 days were able to get by in Taipei.

Hi Traveller,
I guess it depends on how loosely you define the term 'conversation'. Is hello and I love you a conversation? Usually it involves a dialogue between two people, and my point is that even if you worked like a bastard for a month, there is no way, perhaps unless you're especially gifted with languages, which the person who quoted the question says he is not. Wow, neither am I based on that sentence!!!

There are certainly always exceptions, and a month of study is waaaaay beter than none at all and a fine starting point as I said, but, no, not a conversation. Sorry.

[Ace Gallant]

Hi Traveller,
I guess it depends on how loosely you define the term 'conversation'. Is hello and I love you a conversation? Usually it involves a dialogue between two people, and my point is that even if you worked like a bastard for a month, there is no way, perhaps unless you're especially gifted with languages, which the person who quoted the question says he is not. Wow, neither am I based on that sentence!!!

There are certainly always exceptions, and a month of study is waaaaay beter than none at all and a fine starting point as I said, but, no, not a conversation. Sorry.

In my experience, there is no way anybody can learn a language from books. Learning a language involves diaglogs and lots of practice with people.

It is also true that if you are a guy; having a local girlfriend, one that live in with you make a lot of difference in learning the local langauge. But it will still makes no difference if both of you are using the same common language (English) everyday. Make it a point to speak to her in the local language.

Not only speaking to her in local language try to make it a point to speak to everyone in local language and you will find your language capablities shoots up sky high over next few weeks. Sometimes 1 to 1 does not helps that much if you don't take the efforts. And last tip on language: Never be shy that people will laugh at you if you say the wrong words. You are a foreigner and if you speak the wrong words, people will laugh but forgive you. You should make it a point to learn from that and make sure the next time you express yourself, they will no longer laugh at you.

AG

[Phantomtiger2]

In terms of spoken language, Mandarin is much easier to learn for European Language speakers compare to other dialects, especially the Southern Dialects. For example, the hardest part of learning speaking Chinese is the tones, Mandarin has 5 tones (4+1), and Cantonese has 8. Long time ago, I used to provide one-on-one tutoring for some high school teachers, in the states, to learn Chinese. It took them about 2 months to get the basic Mandarins, and about 4-5 months to know the basic Cantonese. Good Luck on learning the language.


Damn, if it takes several months for 1-1 tutor to learn basic Manderin, then I guess its probably better if I stuck to English and hope for the best when I arrive there as Im not the greatest at picking up new languages (or if I'm really LUCKY--I'll meet a nice gal there and she will teach me--ha ha)

PT

[Gualtier Malde]

Actually that is probably your best bet, PhantomTiger2. If you are like me, and you really aren't very far past the "ni hao" stage, trying to speak the language just gets in the way. You go through this painful interaction with the native speaker where you say something in Chinese (probably the phrase you practiced in your hotel right before you left the room), and then suddenly the native speaker starts jabbering away, not realizing you have no clue what is being said, and they aren't saying what *the book* said they should say! :-) So you've wasted your time and theirs, and end up just feeling dumb.

Better to keep your Chinese in your pocket until you can practice sufficiently to carry on a minimal conversation, I think. Find friends/interpreters in the mean time.

David


Damn, if it takes several months for 1-1 tutor to learn basic Manderin, then I guess its probably better if I stuck to English and hope for the best when I arrive there as Im not the greatest at picking up new languages (or if I'm really LUCKY--I'll meet a nice gal there and she will teach me--ha ha)

PT

[DayNight]

In terms of spoken language, Mandarin is much easier to learn for European Language speakers compare to other dialects, especially the Southern Dialects. For example, the hardest part of learning speaking Chinese is the tones, Mandarin has 5 tones (4+1), and Cantonese has 8.

I tend to disagree. It's true if you look at tones. But what about if you never look at tones and just copy what you hear exactly? A cantonese speaker will not know the tones he speaks, why should you?

OK, Mandarin gets much easier if you also learn the written language, as Cantonese is not well covered by the writing systems.


Traveler1234
Maybe in one month, if you did 1-1 tutor for 2 hrs a day, you'd be able to do very basic conversation....

The comment is a bit meaningless as "basic" is not defined. If you have the time I would suggest 8 hours a day at 1:1 for 2 weeks. Make sure the teacher does not speak English. Otherwise they use the by you paid lessons to brush up their English un your expenses.

A very good way would be to start learning with the "Pimsleur Mandarin Course". That is Audio only, no books. Just listen and repeat. Very, very good system. You can download it via BT. Get some basic knowledges from that Audio, then hire a teacher to drill in that vocabulary.

The MOST difficult part in Mandarin (counts for basically all sino-tibetian languages) is that it uses very few phonetic elements compare to other languages. There are only a few 100 silbs in use. Means you use the same silbs again and again for different words. The Term "shi" has easiely over 20 meanings. Even with the tones there are many manings for each silb.

In short, everything to 'us' sounds very similar and it's very hard to remember. We can speak a sentence well, and have completely forgotten it the next minute. That makes it IMHO difficult.

[Juno Audio]

I think DayNight got it right. Don't make it too complicated guys....how does a child learn to speak? Have we forgotten? By immitating and speaking alot, thats how.

Now writing is a whole different ball game.

JA

[Prince Leo]

Children learn languages much easier than adults. And one of the reason is they do not have as much interference from the learned languages to block the absorption of the learning language. Why do you think kids pick up (learn) things much easier. Many native Chinese speakers do not know the tones consciously, but subconsciously, they are aware of it. Just like English, most native Chinese speakers have a hard time pronouncing the sounds "th" and "v", they use "f" and "w" to replace them. To them, "f" sounds the same or very close to "th", and the same with "v" and "w". Most of the experienced English speakers would noticed the difference instantly. If you are still in doubt, you can try making a new habit out of an old habit, like writing with your left hand if your are righthanded, and vice versa, and see how long would it take you to get used to it.

[Juno Audio]

Children learn languages much easier than adults. And one of the reason is they do not have as much interference from the learned languages to block the absorption of the learning language..........

Prince Leo, your answer is correct, I couldn't have said it better myself.

So guys, if you can get pass this interference, languages are a piece of cake! Believe me, it can be done.

JA

[Sammon]

For those who want to learn chinese or get by in china there is a hand held electronic dictionary which I bought for $ 100 US.
It is AM99 for learning chinese. Go to BBKUSA
It has a speaker. So if you want convey some message type in english and press the button and it will say in chinese so that the person listening can understand what you are trying to say and also you can learn from it for next time how to say it.
Like all languages it is easy to learn when you are forced to speak in that language.
I travel to China a lot. So this is very convenient for me. I have learned many phrases from it. I am not promoting this product , just passing the info. I have no stocks in this company.

[Phantomtiger2]

Prince Leo, your answer is correct, I couldn't have said it better myself.

So guys, if you can get pass this interference, languages are a piece of cake! Believe me, it can be done.

JA


Learning a foreign lang. is very difficult for me. Anyway ,forget about the interference I am still trying to figure out english and this is my native tongue--ha ha

[Eaglestar]

I just got two PMs from John Peter. First one:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dear Bro ,
I am in Shanghai now
HP no is 135 XXX-XXXXX .
If possible can u ask her to call me ..........
Thanks in advance
John
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Second one asked for contact info for the posting I did for my steady lady.

This guy has really big brass ones.

I made it clear in my first steady lady post I could not share this but he ignores it and then has the gumption to ask me to have the other lady call him. Also I gave him all the AFF contact info for the 42 year old weeks ago and he just ingnored it and want me to call her and set up a date? I am not a pimp and will not give John Peter any more than the time of day.

This guy has a total of 18 posts since April 2004 and 10 of them are asking for the Bros to PM him mobile phone numbers or other such crap. Nothing of any value to the forum. Just a leech who does no RTFF.

Get a life John Peter. You just went on my igonore list.

ES

[Juno Audio]

In my opinion the cops in China don't need to read this forum to bust anybody, they are part of the prostitution ring because they get paid by the bosses not to shut them down. Now do they need our help to know where all the wh ore houses are? And why bust a monger who is putting money into their wallets?

Another thought, haven't you guys noticed the locals (pimps) are getting in the forum for a piece of the action? Pimping of course.

JA

[Diver98]

I just started with Pimsleur Learning Mandarin, it is listen and repeat software for the pc. Starts off basic, and builds from there. Wow, this is good stuff! I am determined to speak conversational Mandarin by next Fall when I return to Beijing, and I think if I spend and hour a day on this, I will achieve it. I downloaded Pimsleur via bittorrent, just do a search on any torrent-finding site and you will find it. Enjoy!

[Gualtier Malde]

I have Pimsleur and it is good (but expensive if you actually buy it). One thing to note is that it teaches Beijing mandarin, and when I spoke what I knew to my Shanghai and Taiwan friends, they just laughed because Beijingers love to add "r" sounds to words. So for example, Pimsleur teaches that "a little bit" is "yi dyar", which is how a Beijinger says it. Everybody else says "yi dian". I think the non-Beijingers think adding the "r" sounds is pompous or something.

There is a great website, www.chinesepod.com that offers pod based, very entertaining lessons. If you subscribe, you get very powerful additional materials that support the lessons as well. I'm not a shill for them, but I have subscribed and enjoy it. It doesn't force you to repeat like Pimsleur, so in my opinion it isn't as powerful, but it provides much better every day, practical training and it is updated daily with new lessons.

David



I just started with Pimsleur Learning Mandarin, it is listen and repeat software for the pc. Starts off basic, and builds from there. Wow, this is good stuff! I am determined to speak conversational Mandarin by next Fall when I return to Beijing, and I think if I spend and hour a day on this, I will achieve it. I downloaded Pimsleur via bittorrent, just do a search on any torrent-finding site and you will find it. Enjoy!

[Xdentx]

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/weekend_news_detail.asp?pp_cat=30&art_id=17071&sid=7370504&con_type=3&d_str=20060422

Interesting but very long first hand report on the hostess bar system in Japan which probably has many similarities to the KTV systems in China.

[Parasitius]

Anyone know anything about the Mosuo people ? This sounds pretty cool:

" Not all Chinese grow up with sex as a taboo. In the matriarchal Mosuo tribe in southwest China's Yunnan province, women traditionally move into their own house -- and choose between their suitors -- from the age of 13.

"When you take in a man, you spend a night with him and, if he performs well, you keep one of his gifts inside the house so that he knows he can return," said Yang Erche Namu, a Mosuo who has won fame in China as a pop star, model and writer."

Source:http://www.asiansexgazette.com/asg/china/china05news81.htm

(I am not implying anyone should take interest with under-age Mosuo, but perhaps the ones of sufficient age would provide a unique experience!!!)

[OldAsiaHand]

You may want to PM Erik. He has done most of the ethnic minorities in Yunnan.


Anyone know anything about the Mosuo people ? This sounds pretty cool:

" Not all Chinese grow up with sex as a taboo. In the matriarchal Mosuo tribe in southwest China's Yunnan province, women traditionally move into their own house -- and choose between their suitors -- from the age of 13.

"When you take in a man, you spend a night with him and, if he performs well, you keep one of his gifts inside the house so that he knows he can return," said Yang Erche Namu, a Mosuo who has won fame in China as a pop star, model and writer."

Source:http://www.asiansexgazette.com/asg/china/china05news81.htm

(I am not implying anyone should take interest with under-age Mosuo, but perhaps the ones of sufficient age would provide a unique experience!!!)

[Daring Mood]

Hi Guys
I recently moved to China and find that I cannot access this forum, no matter where I try (office, hotel, or home). I know the Governmnet is blocking the site. Has anyone overcome the Red Firewall?

I tried the anonymous surfing website www.behidden.com which at least brings up the first page, but when try to login into to WSG using my user name password it do doesn't work.

Any help would be much appreciated.

On my way to Cebu :-)

TIA
Daring Mood

[Traveler1234]

Hi Guys
I recently moved to China and find that I cannot access this forum, no matter where I try (office, hotel, or home). I know the Governmnet is blocking the site. Has anyone overcome the Red Firewall?

I tried the anonymous surfing website www.behidden.com which at least brings up the first page, but when try to login into to WSG using my user name password it do doesn't work.

Any help would be much appreciated.

On my way to Cebu :-)

TIA
Daring Mood

I would pm directly some of the senior china experts and see what they say. I couldn't log on when visiting, but others claim no problem????

[Tiger 888]

I have no problem accessing this site from Shanghai, wheras the the website that hijacked Jackson's former address is blocked. A VPN to a cmputer outside china (or remote desktop terminal session) solves the problem for those having another Computer in another country.

[Traveler1234]

I have no problem accessing this site from Shanghai, wheras the the website that hijacked Jackson's former address is blocked. A VPN to a cmputer outside china (or remote desktop terminal session) solves the problem for those having another Computer in another country.

As I said, last two trips to shanghai, couldn't log on for the life of me. Was supposed to meet up with fellow members but left their mobile nbrs in my message folder....won't make the same mistake this time.

[Blacklisted]

Maybe internet sites block anything with word 'sex' in it etc. I have never had a problem from my location.

[Albert Punter]

I can confirm that I can always access ISG site from various locations in China.

Is maybe something blocking access from your local server ?

[Traveler1234]

I can confirm that I can always access ISG site from various locations in China.

Is maybe something blocking access from your local server ?

Yep, I'm sure many if not most can log on.

For me, happend last two times in China -- once at JC Mandarin Hotel Shanghai, second time Kerry Center Hotel, Beijing...both with wireless from hotel: logged on via my bookmark, kept on spinning till it timed out.

Tried then to manually log on by typing http://www.wsgforum.com .... notice, no sex or any other offensive words used. Again, timed out and couldn't get on?

[Blacklisted]

Yep, I'm sure many if not most can log on.

For me, happend last two times in China -- once at JC Mandarin Hotel Shanghai, second time Kerry Center Hotel, Beijing...both with wireless from hotel: logged on via my bookmark, kept on spinning till it timed out.

Tried then to manually log on by typing http://www.wsgforum.com .... notice, no sex or any other offensive words used. Again, timed out and couldn't get on?


Could the hotel computers be monitored?

[Santa]

I just typed in wsgforum.com and it brought me to this isgforum website.

So I am thinking that maybe Jackson won some legal fight over the rights to use the wsgforum name. If so, congratulations Jackson.

Maybe the wsgforum was down temporarily while they resolved this dispute?

[Traveler1234]

I just typed in wsgforum.com and it brought me to this isgforum website.

So I am thinking that maybe Jackson won some legal fight over the rights to use the wsgforum name. If so, congratulations Jackson.

Maybe the wsgforum was down temporarily while they resolved this dispute?

I don't think so, pretty computer savvy and not really sure why. I've used same url for past 10 months without ever a hitch in any asian country, except PRC.

I travel with same laptop last 3+ years and never a problem....let's see what happens this trip. I will download address, phones, etc. of key things before I enter the country.

[Blacklisted]

Use .org rather than .com and see what happens.

[Daring Mood]

Thanks for your comments guys. I am also computer savvy. Two things come to mind... I am in Hangzhou and it may be the particular ISP I use, China Netcom, practising self-censorship... Also can't access BBC News, although the www.bbc.co.uk home page does open. With the advancement of Hu Jintao's '8 honors and disgraces' code of moral conduct I noticed last week that newspapers were urging media owners and ISPs to practice self censorship.

Anyway, would be interested to know how you guys are logging into wsgforum in China, if indeed you are. Maybe best to PM me (The Public Security Bureau has 40,000 staff monitoring the Net).

Regarding www.behidden.com anonymous surfing, would be interested to here from anyone who successfully accessed this site using it.

Does anyone have an additional anonymous surfing website to recommend?

Cheers
Daring Mood

[Tiger 888]

Just found 2 other proxy websites. From my place they both work fine with blocked websites.
www.browseatwork.com
www.hidemyass.com

www.behidden.com also works fine for me.

[Marco Pole]

Time to finally take that trip to China!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4942152.stm

[Tiger 888]

Behidden.com and browseatwork are already blocked from Shanghai, as is the link to bbc from the last post. Only hidemyass still works with the bbc link. Lets see for how long. Maybe everyone has to find his own proxxy. (From Hong Kong through vpn all pages work fine, just to prove that the sites are not down).

Anyone with a different experience ?

[Kunshan]

The BBC news site has been blocked for a few years, CNN used to be blocked too, but I guess they have made a deal about what they report and they can now been accessed again.

[Daring Mood]

on the subject of china access, i guess it is true to say that the vast majority of fellow mongerers (including those in shenzhen/dongguan????) can only read/ access the forum either before or after visiting china.

so jackson here is a challenge for you. the biggest market in the world, a billion potential mongerers (ok perhaps 1%), and they don't even get a peek in. there has to be a way around this, although best not to broadcast the way over the forum...call me paranoid.... pm is best regarding the finer points of this discussion.

the vpn route is a bit complicated. oh and i plan to stay in china for the next six months, which minus access to wsg will make planning and scheduling business meetings with meeting china friskiest ladies a lot more difficult.

tia
daring mood

[Kunshan]

I have no problems to access this forum from China.

[Blacklisted]

on the subject of china access, i guess it is true to say that the vast majority of fellow mongerers (including those in shenzhen/dongguan????) can only read/ access the forum either before or after visiting china.

so jackson here is a challenge for you. the biggest market in the world, a billion potential mongerers (ok perhaps 1%), and they don't even get a peek in. there has to be a way around this, although best not to broadcast the way over the forum...call me paranoid.... pm is best regarding the finer points of this discussion.

the vpn route is a bit complicated. oh and i plan to stay in china for the next six months, which minus access to wsg will make planning and scheduling business meetings with meeting china friskiest ladies a lot more difficult.

tia
daring mood

i don't know anyone here who can't get access to the forum. we're on it everyday without a hassle.

[Santa]

Can you access the ISG Forum if you type in WSG Forum.com?

[Ace Gallant]

I don't know anyone here who can't get access to the forum. We're on it everyday without a hassle.

A while ago during my trip down to the South China, I had found that a few ISP had blocked the ISG sites. I did a little research and found that the blocking is not associated with the government regulations but more of the ISPs regulation and it is only pertaining to certain ISPs. I will try to get a list of ISPs that had bloacked the ISG and post them on the board ASAP.

AG

[CrashOver]

Hi All members,

Could you guys help me, or give me some ideals where I could look for WL at ShenZhen. I will be there by mid May 2006.

Appreciate for help.

[Cebu Local]

Hi All members,

Could you guys help me, or give me some ideals where I could look for WL at ShenZhen. I will be there by mid May 2006.

Appreciate for help.Since I am active on the Malaysian board,I will help you with Cheonging tips.They are everywhere,You will be pestered by them endlessly.Give me some info though are you CKT or Bumi?Advice differs on ethnic group OK Lah?

[OldAsiaHand]

With the exception of a few blibs a couple of months ago (see previous post), I have not had any trouble accessing ISG in China lately.

[Erik]

Most of Chinese BBS girls chat on "QQ". If they don't have a mobile phone, it is the only way to keep contact whith them. Who could tell me how to download QQ通讯 from abroad China ? I have been onto qq.zone.com but could not find the proper way to just download the simple chat fonction, without all the other crap products.
Thanks for your help.

[Gilmore]

Erik - Look on wikipedia. They have several different ways to do it.

[Erik]

Thanks Gilmore. I have seen on Wikipedia the introduction of QQ and the several links, but I still couldn't find a link that allowes me to download the system. I registered in a wangba in China and can use it there, but what is the solution outside China ? Have you downmloaded it yourself ?

[Red Rock II]

As far as I know, QQ does not work with English version of Window XP. My solution is to create a dual mood operating system by installing Window XP again. When you try to install Window XP, the system will ask you if you want to create a dual mood booting system, you say YES and then the installation proceed. During the process of installation, at certain point, you will be asked the option of language, make sure you choose Chinese. Try to install QQ under this system. I am not sure if I make it clear to you. If you don’t know much about computers, you may bring this idea to someone who does. Good luck!

[DayNight]

As far as I know, QQ does not work with English version of Window XP.

Well, I use english Xp and use QQ too. Have a look here:

http://qq.bur.st - and follow the instructions.

Signing up for a QQ number can be tricky as you have to input chinese characters. But it explains also how to do that with English Windows.

The English QQ chat software you can D/L here: http://im.qq.com/qq/mo.shtml?/download/qqe.shtml

It has less function then the Chinese one, but it works well.

[Ace Gallant]

Well, I use english Xp and use QQ too. Have a look here:

http://qq.bur.st - and follow the instructions.

Signing up for a QQ number can be tricky as you have to input chinese characters. But it explains also how to do that with English Windows.

The English QQ chat software you can D/L here: http://im.qq.com/qq/mo.shtml?/download/qqe.shtml

It has less function then the Chinese one, but it works well.

No,

I use the Chinese version of QQ on my Windows XP (English version), you need to install the Unicode, Chinese language support on your XP English Version. To install, you need to go to Control Panel, Regional Settings and add Chinese Simplied.

As Day night said: the tricky part is inputting Chinese. Of course to input Chinese, you need to install the Chinese Pingying input or Big5 or Shangping, etc.

AG

[DayNight]

As Day night said: the tricky part is inputting Chinese. Of course to input Chinese, you need to install the Chinese Pingying input or Big5 or Shangping, etc.

AG

It is quite easy with the on qq.bur/st suggested input software. You can just draw the characters with the mouse. Don't expect it to work the first time. If you can't see the characters to write clearly, then just refresh for a new set of characters.

[James Cook]

And there are lots of sex ads in the QQ chatroom. Just click "hi" on the messager , then choose the city you are in, after you get in, you will find QQ chatroom is also a sex market. Oh forget to mention, most of the explicit ads concentrated in shanghai and beijing, a few implicits in shenzhen, very few in other city.

Regards

[Ace Gallant]

It is quite easy with the on qq.bur/st suggested input software. You can just draw the characters with the mouse. Don't expect it to work the first time. If you can't see the characters to write clearly, then just refresh for a new set of characters.

Of course you are assuming that users know how to write Chinese. I found it easlier to use PingYing as you can guess the sound of the words, type it in and you are given a choice of all the different Characters that sounds that way.

AG

[DayNight]

Of course you are assuming that users know how to write Chinese. I found it easlier to use PingYing as you can guess the sound of the words, type it in and you are given a choice of all the different Characters that sounds that way.

AG

With your method you have to be able to read. If you can't read, then it's hopeless.

I don't know much chinese, but (obviously) I can redraw a character when I see one - but I have no idea what the meaning is.

[Erik]

Thank you all for all that, I will try.
A Chinese friend has given me a version of Chinese XP, but I was hesitating to instal it as I don't want to mess up my English version already installed.

[Tiger 888]

What would you want Chinese XP for? Just set your language for non unicode programs to Chinese(PRC) and reboot. You can't install another language XP over your English version anyway. (Would have to install everything new)
If you want to have all menus in Chinese, you can install the multi Language addon(an extra cd) and set the screen language by userprofile. Then you even get the system messages in the individual language.
(But the Language for non unicode programs is the same for all users.)

[Ace Gallant]

What would you want Chinese XP for? Just set your language for non unicode programs to Chinese(PRC) and reboot. You can't install another language XP over your English version anyway. (Would have to install everything new)
If you want to have all menus in Chinese, you can install the multi Language addon(an extra cd) and set the screen language by userprofile. Then you even get the system messages in the individual language.
(But the Language for non unicode programs is the same for all users.)
Attached is the Screen capture Regional Settings in which you want to configure.

My Recommendations: Do not install Multi Languauge Pack (Chinese Menus) if you do not know how to read Chinese. You will not be able to turn back as you will no longer how to read the menus and uninstall the Multi Language Pack.

For the Pingying inputs methods; I am assuming that many of us speak some form of Mandarin; and therefore able to figure out the PingYing. By using the Drawing Pad you can only copy what is written out to you. But the problem is; Since you have the printed or written characters already, why would you want to do that?

AG

[Tiger 888]

AG: Good idea to post the screen. Will make it much easier for those who are not so familiar with the settings.

By the way: The multi language pack itself is no harm yet. You can also use that to set the menus e.g. to German or French. (I need that sometimes to assist someone with another language installed, since I don't know all the translatoins by heart.
You can just add one user whose menus you set to chinese. If you can't change that back, just log on as a user with menus set to english.

The trouble is, if you set the non unicode characters to Chinese, other non standard characters of other languages don't show properly.

I have the problem that for my PDA synchronisation I need non unicode set to Chinese because Activesync 3.8 doesn't support unicode. Otherwise all Chinese from the pda will synchronize as ????? and on the next synchronisation will overwrite my pda with ????.

But the Setting to Chinese for non unicode messes with other applications where I use UTF8. Its a nightmare. So the solution: I use a virtual machine set to Chinese for the sync.

[Ace Gallant]

AG: God idea to post the screen. Will make it much easier for those who are not so familiar with the settings.

By the way: The multi language pack itself is no harm yet. You can also use that to set the menus e.g. to German or French. (I need that sometimes to assist someone with another language installed, since I don't know all the translatoins by heart.
You can just add one user whose menus you set to chinese. If you can't change that back, just log on as a user with menus set to english.

The trouble is, if you set the non unicode characters to Chinese, other non standard characters of other languages don't show properly.

I have the problem that for my PDA synchronisation I need non unicode set to Chinese because Activesync 3.8 doesn't support unicode. Otherwise all Chinese from the pda will synchronize as ????? and on the next synchronisation will overwrite my pda with ????.

But the Setting to Chinese for non unicode messes with other applications where I use UTF8. Its a nightmare. So the solution: I use a virtual machine set to Chinese for the sync.

It is kind of interesting to discuss computer stuff on ISG... hahaha...

Anyways may be you should PM me your PDA problems, I can get my IT engineers to advice you. BTW: I run a computer company dealing with Hardware and Systems. So we run into stuff like that al the time...

I bet you are seeing the characters appearing as little squares, #$ and inverted questions marks... hehehe...

AG

[Yankee 617]

I will travel to China for the first time in Nov'06.

I do not smoke and, while I expect that many people in China do smoke, I would prefer to find providers that do not smoke. Will it be difficult or easy to find such providers? Is there some simple way to ask or otherwise weed out the smokers?

Also, I get wicked headaches if I use caffeine (other than trace amounts). Is there some simple way to ask (or otherwise guess) whether a beverage/product I am served (or plan to buy) contains caffeine?

Thanks!

[Dragon D]

Heya,

Smoking girls aren't that hard to weed out. There aren't really a lot of them anyways. As for caffeine, for diet coke, it is Jian Yi Ke Le I believe. Ka fe en is caffeine in chinese pin yin. Someone can correct me if I am wrong.

[Sammon]

I would suggest stick to bottled water. It is very difficult to find caffeine free diet coke in China. For that matter in small places it is difficult to find diet coke. Seven up I have not seen either. I have seen some bottles which look like seven up but really do not know whether it contains caffeine.
As for smoking many chinese men do smoke. But the number of younger women smoking is very much less.

[Albert Punter]

I don't smoke either and I don't like smoking girls.

In my experiences in China, I have never found providers, semi-pro or freebie smoking.

Was I lucky ?
No, in general I have noticed that majority of girls do not smoke.



I will travel to China for the first time in Nov'06.

I do not smoke and, while I expect that many people in China do smoke, I would prefer to find providers that do not smoke. Will it be difficult or easy to find such providers? Is there some simple way to ask or otherwise weed out the smokers?

Also, I get wicked headaches if I use caffeine (other than trace amounts). Is there some simple way to ask (or otherwise guess) whether a beverage/product I am served (or plan to buy) contains caffeine?

Thanks!

[Arctic1]

I don't smoke either and I don't like smoking girls.

In my experiences in China, I have never found providers, semi-pro or freebie smoking.

Was I lucky ?
No, in general I have noticed that majority of girls do not smoke.

I share this view about smoking. Smoking is a turn-off, but I am noticing a change. Five or ten years ago in China, I rarely noticed women smoking. Now I see it much more frequently. Last night in Hankou in a restaurant/bar frequented by foreigners there were several women smoking. It is likely they were pros or semi-pros, but in the company of colleagues I had no opportunity to check it out.

[Ace Gallant]

I share this view about smoking. Smoking is a turn-off, but I am noticing a change. Five or ten years ago in China, I rarely noticed women smoking. Now I see it much more frequently. Last night in Hankou in a restaurant/bar frequented by foreigners there were several women smoking. It is likely they were pros or semi-pros, but in the company of colleagues I had no opportunity to check it out.

I on the other hand noticed that a lot of providers is in China are Smoking! They are Puffing to be exact! Some how or another, they Puff their cigarettes and do not inhale (smokes) I had asked a few of these girls and they all told me that it make them looks approachable and sophisticated. Really?

AG

[Erik]

Thank you guys, especially Asian Gambler, as my installation of QQ at home is a full success. I can now reconnect with my QQties who leave the BBS for the wangba when business is low. One of them has even put me through her webcam. The bad side is that the discussion turns very quickly on the subject of, you guess... money. "Mama is sick at home, so can you please send me some money by post ?" F****** them all.

[Cappy]

I had my mobile phone with China Mobile pay-as-you-go sim-card stolen last week. The phone is gone, I know.

I'm interested in knowing if anyone's ever been able to recover their phone number. I've had my number forever and would love to be able to retrieve or somehow get it (buy it?) back.
Any ideas?

[Kunshan]

go to the phone department with your passport or whatever document was used to get the phone in the first place. If you didn't use a document to get the card, but do have the password then I think you can still get the number back, take your passport to the telephone company and tell them you want to Bu Ka 补卡

[Albert Punter]

So, like in other areas, they are getting the bad habit of western girls.


I on the other hand noticed that a lot of providers is in China are Smoking! I had asked a few of these girls and they all told me that it make them looks approachable and sophisticated. Really?
AG


I am noticing a change. Five or ten years ago in China, I rarely noticed women smoking. Now I see it much more frequently.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I had my mobile phone with China Mobile pay-as-you-go sim-card stolen last week. The phone is gone, I know.

I'm interested in knowing if anyone's ever been able to recover their phone number. I've had my number forever and would love to be able to retrieve or somehow get it (buy it?) back.
Any ideas?

to cappy


Kiss it good bye and just buy another one , even if some one find it that like
to return it back to you there is no way to track you ,


fast eddie 48

[SidTheSexist]

to cappy

there is no way to track you ,

fast eddie 48

Am I the only person who has my home number saved in my phone??

SId

[Superforce99]

I had my mobile phone with China Mobile pay-as-you-go sim-card stolen last week. The phone is gone, I know.

I'm interested in knowing if anyone's ever been able to recover their phone number. I've had my number forever and would love to be able to retrieve or somehow get it (buy it?) back.
Any ideas?


...goodbye. I had the same situation happen to me about a month ago. I know you didn't use your passport/ID to buy the phone or the card because it's a pay-as-you-go SIM. I never kept the documentation and cards that came with the SIM either (those are the keys to cancelling/recovering/transferring the phone number). Still, I did find out that if you didn't keep all that stuff that came with the SIM, you could go to a China Mobile office and explain the situation (in Chinese, ofcourse) and then after a waiting period of who-knows-how-long and that they are satisfied that your story checks out, they can decide to give you the number again. I decided to skip this headache and just got a new SIM, hence my new number.

One silver lining to this whole thing is that a used mobile phone and SIM card are cheaper than ever, I spent 150 RMB total for a used Nokia and SIM card.

J

[Transporter]

As I general rule, I've found that girls that smoke provide better service.

[Sammy_T]

I had my mobile phone with China Mobile pay-as-you-go sim-card stolen last week. The phone is gone, I know.

I'm interested in knowing if anyone's ever been able to recover their phone number. I've had my number forever and would love to be able to retrieve or somehow get it (buy it?) back.
Any ideas?


When you got your sim card in came in a credit card size plastic carrier, and you had to pop it out of this carrier. It should have also come with another plastic card with some numbers on it. If you still have these 2 items you can take them to China Mobile and they will issue you a new sim with your old number right there on the spot. I have lost my pay-as-you-go phone a couple times, and have kept my same number for 8 years.

Good luck!

[Kunshan]

One silver lining to this whole thing is that a used mobile phone and SIM card are cheaper than ever, I spent 150 RMB total for a used Nokia and SIM card.

J

Thats why his phone was stolen in the first place! pity he can't buy the same card and phone back.

[Jazziton]

Is it only me that has problem to register and get a QQ account?

I follow every steps given in the guideline and even write the Chinese signs correctly, but when I proceed after that it happens.... nothing!

It looks like the browser is trying to open another page, I wait patiently, but I can not see it is leading anywhere and the browser doesn't indicate any activities either.....

Jazz

[Erik]

I have to put a pessimistic note at present about my QQ installation, as for the second time, my QQ has uninstalled itself, I have had to redown load it... They say it can be instable, but to that extent...

Jazziton, go on qq.bur.st and download not the QQ 2004 version which is too old and will not work, but click on the "mirrors" and download any of them of 2005 or 2006. If you just follow the steps, it should install.

[Erik]

Jazziton, I forgot : once the QQ program icon is on your desktop, you need of course to click on it in order to complete the installation.

[Santa]

May I suggest, when we make a controversial remark that some members find offensive, we should quickly go back to that post or photo and delete it.

Don't delay and argue, that justs makes it worse. Immediately remove the offending post and then perhaps give a small apology.

Sometimes we will make a negative comment about another guys photos or his girls. Not a good idea. If we don't like his photos we should not open them.

I like to remember this quote, "any guy can fuck a pretty girl, but it takes a REAL MAN to fuck an ugly one".

It is also a mature and intelligent man who can see his mistakes and quickly correct them.

[Ace Gallant]

May I suggest, when we make a controversial remark that some members find offensive, we should quickly go back to that post or photo and delete it.

Don't delay and argue, that justs makes it worse. Immediately remove the offending post and then perhaps give a small apology.

Sometimes we will make a negative comment about another guys photos or his girls. Not a good idea. If we don't like his photos we should not open them.

I like to remember this quote, "any guy can fuck a pretty girl, but it takes a REAL MAN to fuck an ugly one".

It is also a mature and intelligent man who can see his mistakes and quickly correct them.

I agree with Santa (As always) but like to add something:

"Any guy can fuck a pretty girl, but it takes a REAL MAN to fuck a Fat and ugly one"

AG

[Horatio]

I agree with Santa (As always) but like to add something:

"Any guy can fuck a pretty girl, but it takes a REAL MAN to fuck a Fat and ugly one"

AG

It takes a real man or about 6 beers.

[Jazziton]

Jazziton, I forgot : once the QQ program icon is on your desktop, you need of course to click on it in order to complete the installation.

Thanks man, will give it a try again, after installing the new version...

Jazz

[Ace Gallant]

It takes a real man or about 6 beers.

Might be more for some or less for others.

Enjoy
AG

[Petemcc]

Well, I have read some sensible suggestions here, makes a change from the ridiculous comments I received elsewhere. It's all about being honest as I see it, and not being part of a mutual admiration society. There are many quotes on this thread, and they basically back up what I said- if you have too many beers and fuck a dog, own up to it! That is respect, but don't try to pretend she is a glamour. Also, an adverse remark should not be taken as disrespect. We all know that there are different horses for courses, however, certain immature people who think that because they have been shagging dogs forever, are suddenly the faunt of all knowledge should also be respected for what they are- sad twats who will not take any criticism about anything!

Because someone has a different point of view, there is no reason to ridiclue them. Because someone has a certain style of humour ( yeah our, not or!) that certain people cannot understand because they are so far up themselves that they cannot see reality, it is no reason to take on the role of toe cutter. I still expect certain morons to make comments about my postings and ideas, but hey, c'est la vie, and I have broad shoulders, a firm ass and a dick that does not need viagra, even at 42!

[Transporter]

Is it only me that has problem to register and get a QQ account?

I follow every steps given in the guideline and even write the Chinese signs correctly, but when I proceed after that it happens.... nothing!

It looks like the browser is trying to open another page, I wait patiently, but I can not see it is leading anywhere and the browser doesn't indicate any activities either.....

Jazz


Do you already have a QQ number, and password?

[Bill Lee]

Erik.

I went to http://qq.bur.st but couldn't find a download link for the programs. Can you be more specific?

Bill


I have to put a pessimistic note at present about my QQ installation, as for the second time, my QQ has uninstalled itself, I have had to redown load it... They say it can be instable, but to that extent...

Jazziton, go on qq.bur.st and download not the QQ 2004 version which is too old and will not work, but click on the "mirrors" and download any of them of 2005 or 2006. If you just follow the steps, it should install.

[Ace Gallant]

Erik.

I went to http://qq.bur.st but couldn't find a download link for the programs. Can you be more specific?

Bill

Try this:

http://down1.tech.sina.com.cn/download/download/3853.shtml

Unfortunately 2003 version is the only available version for English.

AG

[Bill Lee]

Thanks AG.
Bill


Try this:

http://down1.tech.sina.com.cn/download/download/3853.shtml

Unfortunately 2003 version is the only available version for English.

AG

[Asia Great]

Brother Transporter,

I haven't post anything at ISG yet but I am a regular follower and big fan of your and the work of other senior's. The reason for writing you is that I just read your 9th May's post number 3907 where your two posted pictures w031.jpg and w032.jpg shocked me as I was trying to find her for past 7 months. I meet her in Shenzhen her name is Ping, she is from Sichuan and her contact number was 13510???606 (which of course doesn't work now). The sim card of my old China mobile number (for entertainment) which I gave to her got lost and I couldn't manage to regain it. She knows me by the name of Tom we had a very good time. I heard, she is probably in Dongguan but after watching her picture in your post I am sure you can help me, please I will highly appreciate and thankful if you can give me any lead to her. My email is asiagreat*gmail.com

[Erik]

Bill,

What do you mean you cannot see the program ? Can' t you see "Installing the QQ chat program" link ?

My problem still, is that my QQ uninstals itself every other day, and I have to reload it each time. It is so instable ! Asian Gambler, which version did you instal ? Is is stable ?

[Transporter]

Brother Transporter,

I haven't post anything at ISG yet but I am a regular follower and big fan of your and the work of other senior's. The reason for writing you is that I just read your 9th May's post number 3907 where your two posted pictures w031.jpg and w032.jpg shocked me as I was trying to find her for past 7 months. I meet her in Shenzhen her name is Ping, she is from Sichuan and her contact number was 13510???606 (which of course doesn't work now). The sim card of my old China mobile number (for entertainment) which I gave to her got lost and I couldn't manage to regain it. She knows me by the name of Tom we had a very good time. I heard, she is probably in Dongguan but after watching her picture in your post I am sure you can help me, please I will highly appreciate and thankful if you can give me any lead to her. My email is asiagreat*gmail.com


I read your pm, and will get back to you as soon as I can.
I have misplaced my china phone for the moment, and that is where I keep all the contact info, so as soon as I find it I will respond to your pm.
I should have her last location, name used, and phone number stored in my phone.

Porter

[Transporter]

If you are installing QQ, then either use 2004 english, or the 2006 beta simplified version. Both of them I have used and they both work fine.

[Santa]

The purpose of this terrific forum is for guys like you and me, and all the other members, to exchange FREE information. A brotherhood of friends looking for pussy. Thank you Jackson!

The goal is to avoid paying ripoff prices, or to pay a commission to guys like Dragon D. Of course, if you want to pay DD to find you girls that is your choice.

No flames intended.

Most of us do not need or want Mr DD's services. Consequently, we do not want to be told that he is a wonderful chap, his services are great, and our criticisms of his services are unjustified. We believe this forum is a co-operative FREE exchange. Therefore, I think he should not ask you or any other member for money for going with you on a bbs hunt.

Again, I hope you don't take this personally.

Regarding your complaint that new members are not welcome on the Shanghai board, I think that is not true. Your past and future posts are appreciated.

All of the guys I have met in Shanghai have been polite, honest, funny, intelligent and educated gentlemen. Maybe next time you go to Shanghai you should send some of them a few private messages, see if they would like to meet for a beer. They will NOT charge you a commission for showing you where the girls are.

Thank you for your PM and I hope you didn't mind my sharing your information with the others.

Santa.

PS. Sorry, I wanted to post this in the Shanghai board but posted it here by mistake.

[Ace Gallant]

PS. Sorry, I wanted to post this in the Shanghai board but posted it here by mistake.

Hahaha....Santa as usual you made my day!

Today is just a lousy day for me. My date did not turn up. Went to the mall where normally there are tons of SWs, only to find old hags!

Dam... I guess with your posting making my day, I will be in better luck later...

AG

[Bill Lee]

I thought the Intalling the QQ link was instructional like the other links.

Thanks. Going to try it. How about the 2006 beta version? Where's that? That's in Simplified Chinese right?

Bill


Bill,

What do you mean you cannot see the program ? Can' t you see "Installing the QQ chat program" link ?

My problem still, is that my QQ uninstals itself every other day, and I have to reload it each time. It is so instable ! Asian Gambler, which version did you instal ? Is is stable ?

[Ace Gallant]

I thought the Intalling the QQ link was instructional like the other links.

Thanks. Going to try it. How about the 2006 beta version? Where's that? That's in Simplified Chinese right?

Bill

For QQ 2006 Beta try this:

http://im.qq.com/qq/dlqq.shtml

But I thought you are English only guy: (As you mentioned in your previous post).




Yesterday at 09:25 #1209
Bill Lee
Senior Member
Reports: 380 Unfortunately English is the one for me.

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Thanks AG.
Bill

[Ace Gallant]

Bill,

What do you mean you cannot see the program ? Can' t you see "Installing the QQ chat program" link ?

My problem still, is that my QQ uninstals itself every other day, and I have to reload it each time. It is so instable ! Asian Gambler, which version did you instal ? Is is stable ?

I tried the 2006 Beta Version it is ok but sometimes it has a little errors now and than, I am not sure because the error occurs at different places and never repeat at the same place. Did not spent the time to debugs or find out whether it is due to the 2006 Beta or it is due to some other software I had installed in my PC.

On the other hand; 2005 Version is OK. No uninstall or reloading required.

AG

[Bill Lee]

Yeah. I am English only. Just had hope that QQ2006 beta was also English. Until I saw that reference to "simplified."

Thanks AG.


Bill


For QQ 2006 Beta try this:

http://im.qq.com/qq/dlqq.shtml

But I thought you are English only guy: (As you mentioned in your previous post).

[Santa]

Study by New York University School of Medicine.

Among east Asian immigrants in New York City, one person in seven carry the Hepatitis B virus, a new study has found. For the chinese population it is one person in five....

Deadly risk of liver cancer and cirrhosis....

Most of the people had no idea they were infected. People carry the virus for decades without showing any signs of illness...

100,000 chronic hepatitis carriers among New York east asians, with the highest rate among chinese...

It is most common in China, but scientists do not understand why.

People from Fujian have the greatest rate of infection. End of Report.

Here's my question to you guys.

Type B can be transmitted by unprotected sex, but I don't understand how. Type C is reportedly not transmitted by sex. I don't get it?

Santa is confused. Any answers?

Most of the infections are in chinese male men, aged 20 to 30 years. Why?

[Angstman]

Study by New York University School of Medicine.

Among east Asian immigrants in New York City, one person in seven carry the Hepatitis B virus, a new study has found. For the chinese population it is one person in five.

Deadly risk of liver cancer and cirrhosis.

Most of the people had no idea they were infected. People carry the virus for decades without showing any signs of illness.

100,000 chronic hepatitis carriers among New York east asians, with the highest rate among chinese.

It is most common in China, but scientists do not understand why.

People from Fujian have the greatest rate of infection. End of Report.

Here's my question to you guys.

Type B can be transmitted by unprotected sex, but I don't understand how. Type C is reportedly not transmitted by sex. I don't get it?

Santa is confused. Any answers?

Most of the infections are in chinese male men, aged 20 to 30 years. Why?

Santa,

This freaks me out a bit. I've been here almost 2 years and have not had any Hep shots. I think I'll go to the clinic tomorrow.

[Kunshan]

Yep, China is a Hep B country, best to get your Hep B and Hep A shots.

[Ace Gallant]

Santa is confused. Any answers?

Most of the infections are in chinese male men, aged 20 to 30 years. Why?

Some information about Hep A, B & C

How is hepatitis A virus transmitted?

Hepatitis A virus is spread from person to person by putting something in the mouth that has been contaminated with the stool of a person with hepatitis A. This type of transmission is called "fecal-oral." For this reason, the virus is more easily spread in areas where there are poor sanitary conditions or where good personal hygiene is not observed.

Most infections result from contact with a household member or sex partner who has hepatitis A. Casual contact, as in the usual office, factory, or school setting, does not spread the virus.

How is HEP B spread?

HBV is spread when blood from an infected person enters the body of a person who is not infected. For example, HBV is spread through having sex with an infected person without using a condom (the efficacy of latex condoms in preventing infection with HBV is unknown, but their proper use might reduce transmission), by sharing drugs, needles, or "works" when "shooting" drugs, through needlesticks or sharps exposures on the job, or from an infected mother to her baby during birth.

Hepatitis B is not spread through food or water, sharing eating utensils, breastfeeding, hugging, kissing, coughing, sneezing or by casual contact.

How long does hepatitis B vaccine protect you?

Recent studies indicate that immunologic memory remains intact for at least 23 years and confers protection against clinical illness and chronic HBV infection, even though anti-HBs levels might become low or decline below detectable levels.

NOT ONLY THERE ARE HEP A, B, C there are also HEP D & E.

There are a thousand other sexually transmitted dieases in the world. If we are going to freak out every time we know one new one, we will become a Monk and not have sex at all!

Just make sure we play safe and have protection on all the time. In case of emergency, have your blood test! Sleep in peace. If we got it, at least we know we are going to die if we don't do anything about it. Beside HIV, most life theathening STDs are curable at early stage.

Play safe and be safe!
AG

[Savannah]

Immunizations are three shots over a period of six months. Anybody coming here should have these shots. Hep A is just one shot. However, they will test for antibodies before giving it to you. That takes a day or two to show signs. I don't think they have anything for Hep C yet. Hep A is the easiest to contact and is not a sex disease. You may get it from eating off unwashed plates. . At least get that shot and always wear a condom.

Don't worry, but be smart.

[Ace Gallant]

Immunizations are three shots over a period of six months. Anybody coming here should have these shots. Hep A is just one shot. However, they will test for antibodies before giving it to you. That takes a day or two to show signs. I don't think they have anything for Hep C yet. Hep A is the easiest to contact and is not a sex disease. You may get it from eating off unwashed plates. . At least get that shot and always wear a condom.

Don't worry, but be smart.

Try this web site for more information:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/index.htm

And yes, Hepatitis is not a STD. People commonly get it over eating seafood as well.

AG

[Santa]

Santa is still confused.

Can the guy and/or the girl catch Hep A, B, or C from an uncovered blowjob? How does that happen? I think, unlike HIV, the hep virus is not found in the saliva or semen. Is that right?

The virus only goes from blood to blood. Is that right? So how can she catch it from you? How can you catch it from her? Is it only if she is on her period? I guess the virus goes in through the very thin skin membrane at the head of the penis, is that right?

Can we catch it from uncovered blowjobs? Easily?

I don't trust information from US Government websites because they often have a christian fundamentalist agenda of promoting sexual abstinence.

[Ace Gallant]

Santa is still confused.

Can the guy and/or the girl catch Hep A, B, or C from an uncovered blowjob? How does that happen? I think, unlike HIV, the hep virus is not found in the saliva or semen. Is that right?

The virus only goes from blood to blood. Is that right? So how can she catch it from you? How can you catch it from her? Is it only if she is on her period? I guess the virus goes in through the very thin skin membrane at the head of the penis, is that right?

Can we catch it from uncovered blowjobs? Easily?

I don't trust information from US Government websites because they often have a christian fundamentalist agenda of promoting sexual abstinence.

The way Hep A, B, C, D & E spread is different from each type.
Try this web site for more information on how it is spread.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/index.htm

I've asked my staff from the medical suppies company to verfied the information there and they found that it is quite true.

AG

[Superforce99]

AG,

Thanks for the link, now I know that May is Hepatitus Awareness Month!


J

[Ace Gallant]

AG,

Thanks for the link, now I know that May is Hepatitus Awareness Month!


J

As always: My Pleasure!

AG

[Santa]

Most of us like bareback blowjobs but don't mind using condoms for fucking. Covered blow jobs lack the sensation!

We all understand that we can catch some STD from unprotected sex, but the Center for Disease Control is not giving us the probabilities. They are not giving us probabilities, so we can decide for ourselves if we want to take the risk. Also, they are not describing, in simple anatomical sexual details, exactly how the virus gets from the man's blood into the girl's blood or how the virus gets from the girl's blood into the guy's blood, etc

What is the probability of her or the guy getting Hep A, B or C from bareback blowjobs? High or low? 1 in 10; 1 in 100; 1 in 1000; 1 in 10,000; 1 in 1,000,000. ??? The CDC doesn't know or they don't want to tell us? I'm sure we would all like to know.

And how about for the other types of STDs?

As I already said, I do not trust any US Government sites because I know they have an agenda of promoting abstinence from sex outside of marraige. Those US sites are heavily influenced by the christian coalition, that's why there is no detailed discussion of oral, vaginal or anal sex.

Thank you AG for your contribution.

[Taipei Traveller]

what is the probability of her or the guy getting hep a, b or c from bareback blowjobs? high or low? 1 in 10; 1 in 100; 1 in 1000; 1 in 10,000; 1 in 1,000,000. ??? the cdc doesn't know or they don't want to tell us? i'm sure we would all like to know.

and how about for the other types of stds?

as i already said, i do not trust any us government sites because i know they have an agenda of promoting abstinence from sex outside of marraige. those us sites are heavily influenced by the christian coalition, that's why there is no detailed discussion of oral, vaginal or anal sex.

thank you ag for your contribution.is this really even possible. it would certainly differ from one country to the next, and would require the country knowing exactly how many were infected with the various types of std, and then being prepared to publish those details.

somehow i dont see to many countries in se asia doing that. hell in taiwan the government says there are no cases of positive hiv in the country, yet just the other day a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) suspect was confirmed as being hiv positive a few years previous whilst in jail.

you are unlikely to get the truth in this part of the world.

[Santa]

I agree with what you say Taipei Traveller and thank you for your interesting contribution.

There must be some way to know the probability of catching a disease on the INDIVIDUAL level. For example, what is the probalility of catching HIV or any other infection from an infected girl by having unprotected sex. Is it 1 in 10? Is it one in 10,000?

The US Government sites will only tell you "not to have sexual relations outside of marraige, but if you do, always use a condom".

My question is this. If you do not follow there advise, and you go ahead and have an unprotected blowjob, or vaginal or anal sex with an infected individual, what are the statistical probablities of getting an infection from each type of activity for each type of virus and bacterium?

Obviously, each type of behavior and each type of parasite creates a different probabilities of infection.

The US Government's answer is "don't be a fool, don't play a game of chance, be celibate until you get married, or at least ALWAYS wear a condom". OK, that is good advice. But many of us do not follow that advice and we would like to know about the statistical probalities of infection, then we can decide if we want to continue playing a game of chance or not.

I think they do not want to give us that information because they do not want us to play a game of chance and because they have a moral agenda of promoting calibacy until marraige.

Specifically, I want to know about the probabilities of infection from bareback blowjobs, since that is what I enjoy. How about if I wash my dick shortly after sex, will that reduce the risk?

They cannot answers these questions with 100% accuracy, but surely they know which activities are very dangerous and which are not.

Anybody have any answers? Please don't advise us to always use a condom. We already know that, and that is not an answer to my question about probabilities.

[DayNight]

The probability of female to male infection with unprotected vaginal intercourse for HIV is about 1 in 1000~2000.

Male to female would be much higher, probably in the low 100's. But I don't have those figures.

The problem I have with this thinking is that it puts focus only on HIV. But there is a HUGE range of other STDs out there waiting for a new host. And most are on the increase.

Gonorrea and chlamydia are relatively harmless, but very easy to catch, even with a condom on the risk is very high.

Looks like handjobs are only safe - but lets wait till research focus on this....

[Gualtier Malde]

Ok, I'll bite. Girl touches doorknob. Picks up some stapf (Staphylococcus) bacteria. Gives you a handjob. Works it a little too hard, causes a little cut. Stapf bacteria enter the cut. The cut gets infected, you end up with a big red oozing boil on your dick. Your first handjob STD! :-)

(I'm not a doctor and I didn't play one on TV...)

David


The probability of female to male infection with unprotected vaginal intercourse for HIV is about 1 in 1000~2000.

Male to female would be much higher, probably in the low 100's. But I don't have those figures.

The problem I have with this thinking is that it puts focus only on HIV. But there is a HUGE range of other STDs out there waiting for a new host. And most are on the increase.

Gonorrea and chlamydia are relatively harmless, but very easy to catch, even with a condom on the risk is very high.

Looks like handjobs are only safe - but lets wait till research focus on this....

[Gualtier Malde]

There must be some way to know the probability of catching a disease on the INDIVIDUAL level.



Let's take a different approach.

KNOWN: If you engage in the act, you will either catch the disease or you won't.

UNKNOWN: Far too many variables affecting the statistical outcome, in far too many ways, in other words, white noise.

Thus, since you can only reliably deal statistically with the knowns, and given the miniscule sample set (1) your statistical odds of catching a disease reduce to this: you either will, or you won't.

Therefore, the conservative statistical odds are 50%. You either will, or you won't.

:-)

(I'm not a statistician and I don't play one on TV.)

David

[Phantomtiger2]

The part about HJ is the only safe method is also not true as Warts can easily be transmitted by some one with warts on their fingers and hands.
I guess the bottom line to this conversation is always be aware and be protected as "if you play , you will pay"

PT

[Savannah]

I think I'll go back to the monastery now.

[Ace Gallant]

I think I'll go back to the monastery now.

Come on... I am sure you are not a scary cat.... Just little things like that will scare you off?

AG

[Taipei Traveller]

The only way to be 100% safe - if such a thing really exists - is to remain or become celibate, not a thought i personally wish to consider.

That said, no way would I consider bare backing someone in say S Africa, the incidence of HIV is just to damn high. In other places it might be something I would consider.

But as mentioned in my previous post, i do not think you will get reliable or even relatively accurate data as i doubt most countries even know how many people are infected with whatever STD, and even if by some small miracle they did know, could they be relied on to publish the truth, I would suggest probably not.

Just my 2c.

[Ace Gallant]

The only way to be 100% safe - if such a thing really exists - is to remain or become celibate, not a thought i personally wish to consider.

That said, no way would I consider bare backing someone in say S Africa, the incidence of HIV is just to damn high. In other places it might be something I would consider.

But as mentioned in my previous post, i do not think you will get reliable or even relatively accurate data as i doubt most countries even know how many people are infected with whatever STD, and even if by some small miracle they did know, could they be relied on to publish the truth, I would suggest probably not.

Just my 2c.

That's what I said; Be a monk!

Like in any investment, the higher the risk the better the returns.

Enjoy!
AG

[DayNight]

That's what I said; Be a monk!

Enjoy!
AG

Don't they have a higher forced anal intercourse risk?

[Ace Gallant]

Don't they have a higher forced anal intercourse risk?
Damm...What are you talking about....!!!

Be careful here... there might be Buddhist among us....and they will not be happy to hear that!!! :)

AG

[Silly Puppy]

I'd like to ask any of you guys' been to Guilin before? I'll be in Shenzhen soon. What is the best way to arrange travel from Shenzhen or DongGuan to this city? Many thanks in advance .... BTW I don't mind doing a little mongering activities after couple days there ..

[Savannah]

I was being facetious. I don't want to insult Catholics or Buddhists, but you're right I would hate to be such a handsome guy in a building full of lonely men.

I have been to Guilin. The best way out is to fly. The airport is outside the city. You can get there by bus from better hotels. Try the Sheraton. A train or bus to DG or SZ might take 10-12 hours.

There is action there. I forgot the name of the hotel I stayed at, and could not refresh my memory from a travel site. However, I did notice bbs behind it. It is on the other side of the river from the Sheraton and a little further down. There are also saunas next to the elephant hotel and Sheraton. Taxi drivers were more than willing to suggest Xiaojie. In this area definitely negotiate. Less than 150 for FS should be easy. Guilin people are nice, but still be careful with where a taxi takes you.

Savannah

[Albert Punter]

Hey friend, have a look at the Guilin thread.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=942

Even though posts are not many, some interesting information are shared there.


I'd like to ask any of you guys' been to Guilin before? BTW I don't mind doing a little mongering activities after couple days there ..

[Clandestine782]

Hello guys. This is a question that I have for you, so I'd appreciate honest answers.

I was working out at a gym about a week ago and met a girl who worked at a business in the same building. (The building is like, 8 floors and her job is one floor above the gym.) Anyway..... She said that she liked my body and wanted to meet.

The first time, we didn't meet at my house. She wanted to meet me at an intersection. It turns out that she lived near there, but she kept me waiting so long that I went home and wrote it off as her being a game player. Later, she called me when I'd made it back to my house and I invited her over. She came about 1/2 hour later.

We didn't make it to bed the first time she came to my house........ but we did by the second. After we'd had sex a few times, she brought up the issue that she needed some "financial help" from me-- to the tune of 1,000RMB per month. I told her I'd think about it, and then I sent her a text message asking if she was a hooker and was playing me. She insisted that she wasn't.

This is all very strange to me. I know that a lot of guys will financially help out a girl as a condition of the relationship, but does it usually go this way? She also mentioned to me that she had a boyfriend and that she'd had him for three years (he is from Sichuan), and that she wanted to keep our relationship on the DL.

Every time she comes over she brings food and every time I want to have sex, she seems to be dripping wet so I am trying to find every reason to convince myself that she is not a hooker.

What do you guys think? If she were a hooker, what signs should I look for? What signs would you look for? The sex is GFE all the way, but that could be the acting of a seasoned pro. And it is also a good sign that she brings food over when she wants to visit (with the presumption that if she were a pro, she would cut every cost possible and offer no gestures of good will). Any comments that you guys have to add?

[Ace Gallant]

Hello guys. This is a question that I have for you, so I'd appreciate honest answers.

I was working out at a gym about a week ago and met a girl who worked at a business in the same building. (The building is like, 8 floors and her job is one floor above the gym.) Anyway..... She said that she liked my body and wanted to meet.

We didn't make it to bed the first time she came to my house........ but we did by the second. After we'd had sex a few times, she brought up the issue that she needed some "financial help" from me-- to the tune of 1,000RMB per month. I told her I'd think about it, and then I sent her a text message asking if she was a hooker and was playing me. She insisted that she wasn't.

What do you guys think? If she were a hooker, what signs should I look for? What signs would you look for? The sex is GFE all the way, but that could be the acting of a seasoned pro. And it is also a good sign that she brings food over when she wants to visit (with the presumption that if she were a pro, she would cut every cost possible and offer no gestures of good will). Any comments that you guys have to add?

IMHO: There are two possiblities:

1) She is trying to scam you: Once you agree on the 1000RMB/mth, she will work toward getting 2000RMB/mth, than she will work towards 4000/mth. and than saying that her BF is not treating her well, she had fights and she want to leave her BF, move into your appartments...etc... and your freebie just become your paybie and you are stuck with her!

2) She is trying to hook onto you and is telling you the truth. Her income is as a normal China salary and need a little extra for play... or some savings to make it for buying a house, etc or to get married...??? Once she gather enough... she is done with you...

You right to assume that she is not a pro, or at least I had never came across a pro who would bring food to my house. But of course some members may says that she most likely drug you on the food... etc... which I don't think so as she do not have to go though that lenght just to drug you.

But overall... 1000/mth is a reasonable price in which you should treat it like a mongering expense afterall you get GFE, you enjoyed yourself, the server come to you without going hunting, you get free food and all those great stuff.... just make sure you control it at 1000/mth and not more. Once it turns in the first possiblity, dump her!

Last advice: Never give her your door Key!

Enjoy
AG

[Santa]

Asian Gambler amazes me. He knows all their tricks and scams, and has all the answers. Or at least he knows most of them.

[Ace Gallant]

Asian Gambler amazes me. He knows all their tricks and scams, and has all the answers. Or at least he knows most of them.

A wise friend of mine once taught me; To learnt from mistake is not the best away to improve oneself. But the learn from others' mistakes is the one up from the rest!

I am just sharing information and experience which either I had learnt the hard way or which I had learnt from someone else.

I do make mistakes too... afterall... I am human!

Enjoy
AG

[SidTheSexist]

Asian Gambler amazes me. He knows all their tricks and scams, and has all the answers. Or at least he knows most of them.

AG is spot on with his advice. Although I would have said that most of it should have been reasonbly obvious to any monger. It is a good thing that you have got the suspicion about this girl and that you havent already fell hook line...

Look at it this way, over the last 2 weeks, I have spent about 2000rmb on mongering from maggies, the den etc. For that, I reckon I had about 3, 4 max, different girls. If your happy with this one, and you maintain an appropriate relationship ie, fuck buddys, then I would certanly have no quarms with paying 1000rmb for a months worth of shagging. But as AG says, just be careful and keep your eyes open for the upsell
cheers
Sid