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Juno Audio
07-12-06, 16:35
.....Does anyone know if I can get fined if I mail the DVDs to myself in the U.S.?
Csun, you can always say "I didn't mail the package", or "my friend mailed the package, but I didn't know what's inside". There's nothing wrong with that, right? If you can get fined that way, then your enemies can really fuxk you up by mailing you a thousand copies of pirated DVDs.
JA
Blacklisted
07-12-06, 16:56
Had to sign bloody 4 copies for the bureaucracy and think I also needed ID.
As other dudes have said, it's really not worth it. Half the DVD's you watch are shit quality and many don't work. Sure, you get the odd good one, but once you watch it, why would you want to take it back?
Collecting shit is weird to me. If you want to keep a copy, better off buy it back home so you get the special features and all that crap anyway.
Had to sign bloody 4 copies for the bureaucracy and think I also needed ID.
As other dudes have said, it's really not worth it. Half the DVD's you watch are shit quality and many don't work. Sure, you get the odd good one, but once you watch it, why would you want to take it back?
Collecting shit is weird to me. If you want to keep a copy, better off buy it back home so you get the special features and all that crap anyway.
I don't bring back the DVDs for myself but mostly for family members. I don't see the need for keeping a DVD after have seen it.
I am just wondering if I can get into trouble mailing the DVDs to myself or family members since customs probably have more of a chance of inspecting it. I understand some people are saying " I did not mail it" however I am not sure this will clear me. Otherwise all the drug dealers will just try and mail their drugs to someone in the U.S. under a coat or clothing then when customs finds it, just say that it wasn't me and get away with it. Just wondering what to do. Hate to disappoint my friends and family members by not bring back DVDs anymore. I never bring back more than 8-10 DVDs at one time since they can pass the DVDs to each other after watching them. Thanks for any input.
I've run into a couple DVD shops that know which DVDs are good quality and others that are theatre recordings. Just ask them. If they say one is bad quality; you can trust that.
It's quite funny that one of these good shops uses the name "Blockbuster". There was a gal inside that spoke good English, they offered you a bottled water while shopping, and they say they have a money back guarantee.
The shop is located at 208 Nan Yang Road; between TongRen Lu and XiKang Lu, just down the street from Big Bamboo.
She said that the quality of their "DaVinci Code" was not good, so I passed. I was not disappointed in the others that she said were good.
My understanding of bringing DVDs back to the US is that you can bring one copy. I once have about 50 different DVDs in a suitcase that was inspected, and there were no issues.
Had to sign bloody 4 copies for the bureaucracy and think I also needed ID.
As other dudes have said, it's really not worth it. Half the DVD's you watch are shit quality and many don't work. Sure, you get the odd good one, but once you watch it, why would you want to take it back?
Collecting shit is weird to me. If you want to keep a copy, better off buy it back home so you get the special features and all that crap anyway.
I think you could have someone mail them to the kids back home, with other gifts like t-shirts, from a chinese uncle. Not from you!
Since they are minors, nothing could happen to them anyway. Gifts from uncle Chang.
Traveler1234
07-12-06, 19:42
I think you could have someone mail them to the kids back home, with other gifts like t-shirts, from a chinese uncle. Not from you!
Since they are minors, nothing could happen to them anyway. Gifts from uncle Chang.
FYI, minors are just as liable when it comes to copyright infringement. just as if they were to download a bootleg song on kaza, wherever, if they are caught with bootleg dvd, they can be fined.
And if you think i'm off-base, there were several minors (under 16 yrs) who were sued and fined by MPA for downloading bootleg movies on-line earlier last year to serve as example and deterent for others. Big articles in the press, including Wall Street Journal, etc.
Don't mess with Santa (i.e. santa claus), if you buy bootleg, live with the consequences, don't push them on to 'your kids' :(
Ok. I agree with traveller. It's still illegal and sets a bad example for the kids.
Most of those chinese counterfeit dvds are crap movies. Why would anyone want the kids watching them anyway? Not worth the trouble!
Give the kids some nice non-counterfeit gifts.
Traveler1234
07-12-06, 19:58
Ok. I agree with traveller. It's still illegal and sets a bad example for the kids.
Most of those chinese counterfeit dvds are crap movies. Why would anyone want the kids watching them anyway? Not worth the trouble!
Give the kids some nice non-counterfeit gifts.
Amen and Merry Christmas :)
LOL
Ok. I agree with traveller. It's still illegal and sets a bad example for the kids.
Most of those chinese counterfeit dvds are crap movies. Why would anyone want the kids watching them anyway? Not worth the trouble!
Give the kids some nice non-counterfeit gifts.
Just for information, copies of movies that have been out for a while are very good. The bad DVDs are of movies that are playing in the U.S. now or if the movies have not been released yet. The DVD-9 are the same quality as the ones you can buy in the U.S. I don't bring back any DVDs that you can purchase in the U.S. because it is just not worth the trouble. I only bring back DVDs that is not available in the U.S. at the time for my family and friends but now I don't think I will do it anymore. At least this new law is a good excuse to turn them down.
Gualtier Malde
07-12-06, 21:25
Agree most of them are crap, either they don't play, or are terrible copies. I think the best part of most of these is the cover, not the DVD. I got a bootleg of "Flight 93", and the cover had a bogus quote calling it "Outrageously Funny!".
I got a bootleg copy of a Bruce Willis movie, and the cover had a quote saying "Like the cop said, 'Nothing to see here, move along.'".
Those covers are just too funny!
By the way, I hear the going rate for bootleg DVDs is now closer to 5 quay.
David
Ok. I agree with traveller. It's still illegal and sets a bad example for the kids.
Most of those chinese counterfeit dvds are crap movies. Why would anyone want the kids watching them anyway? Not worth the trouble!
Give the kids some nice non-counterfeit gifts.
When I say they are crap, I'm not talking about the quality of the copy, I'm talking about the content. Action packed trash from Hollywood. 90% + of those movies are total shite. Only good for low IQ juveniles! And that's who they are made for.
We better get back on topic before Jackson get's angry again.
Blacklisted
07-13-06, 00:39
Some are 5 kuai, but still mostly 7, although the DVD 9 copies are usually more, maybe 10, 12 or even 15 kuai.
Back on topic, I've also heard whispers of 'you wan sex movie?'
But I think that was back at Xiang Yang!
Traveler1234
07-13-06, 00:45
Some are 5 kuai, but still mostly 7, although the DVD 9 copies are usually more, maybe 10, 12 or even 15 kuai.
Back on topic, I've also heard whispers of 'you wan sex movie?'
But I think that was back at Xiang Yang!
I think best quality is Malaysia. I've been buying for many years from a couple of places in PJ area (suburb) of KL, prices from RM$10-13 each and quality is equal to originals. They in fact are produced from masters that have been smuggled to them from states as titles are not available until 1-2 wks after formal release of DVD title in states.
Includes multi-asian lang tracks as well as normal romance languages. Only caveat is some of them are for asia region dvd players - so won't work on your expensive home set but ironically will work on computer dvd players and the cheaper Apex type brand models.
Got all the 24 series, seasons 1-4, season 5 won't be out till end of year. First season of Lost, Desperate Housewives (for my other half), Entourage, other titles for my boys, got Band of Brothers years back in the same identical box set as sold stateside, perfect reproduction. Plus of course all the normal movie titles.
Ace Gallant
07-13-06, 02:43
Some are 5 kuai, but still mostly 7, although the DVD 9 copies are usually more, maybe 10, 12 or even 15 kuai.
Back on topic, I've also heard whispers of 'you wan sex movie?'
But I think that was back at Xiang Yang!
I thought Xiang Yang in Shanghai has moved and that place is flatland now?
My experience of DVD is that DVD-5 (Crap DVDs record by some guys from the cinemas with a video cameras) are those that you pay 5 Kuai for; you get those from make shift stalls on sidewalks, etc. Better ones are those that you buy from Shops that cost around 7 Kuai and DVD-9 ones (DVD-9 are those with Multi-Language, Subtitles, and Dolby Surround sound, these are direct copies of the original DVDs) goes for around 8 Kuai to 10 Kuai depending on movies. However most recent movies are not available in DVD-9 formats as they are not even release on DVDs yet, so how all they get a copy version? So if the Hollywood movie that is showing on Cinemas currently appears as DVD-9 in the stalls, it is likely a fake DVD-9 and I wouldn't pay 8 kuai for it.
AG
Back on topic, I've also heard whispers of 'you wan sex movie?'
You find them here and then. Usually the quality is lousy and nearly always the cover does not match the DVD. Forget about that!
Either buy them in Hong Kong (usually HK$10-30 per DVD in Mongkok), or just download them. You can D/L even complete DVD images. Or just a AVI rip.
My preferred sites are: (both use BitTorrent, both are free, but need to register)
http://www.javtalk.com (ONLY asian porn)
http://www.puretna.com (all porn)
SidTheSexist
07-13-06, 03:15
24 Season 5 is out. Got it at home :)
Traveler1234
07-13-06, 03:26
24 Season 5 is out. Got it at home :)
Grade A quality or only B? My set usually ready about two wks before official release, which means getting it around Christmas time in Malaysia.
:)
SidTheSexist
07-13-06, 10:05
Grade A quality or only B? My set usually ready about two wks before official release, which means getting it around Christmas time in Malaysia.:)
Not official grade A quality as if bought from High street store, but I believe they record them from the TV when they are actually being shown. Nothing wrong with quality but the screen fades in/out when there would have been a commercial. Definatley still worth it.
Apologies
sid
I have never been to China but I follow the posts regularly as maybe a part of my future mongering destination. Just out of curiosity which is the best place for mongering action Shanghai or Bejing as both seem equally good.There are a lot of Chinese in Dubai and they control a major part of the mongering market.
Traveler1234
07-13-06, 15:07
Not official grade A quality as if bought from High street store, but I believe they record them from the TV when they are actually being shown. Nothing wrong with quality but the screen fades in/out when there would have been a commercial. Definatley still worth it.
Apologies
sid
Sid
I think we're ok with this yakking .... it's the 'info' thread and jackson won't mind?
Anyway, the dvd i get are as noted earlier, exactly what you what get if you bought the real thing...A+++ quality. Which is why the longer wait.
Apologies to everyone for this back and forth...I won't take up space on this subject anymore :)
China is very easy to score in.I recently returned from a two week trip and I stayed at the best hotels all over.
Even the top hotels will provide sex massage for 600 to 800 Yuan which is about 75 to 100 US.
You have to be persistent though.If you don`t like what you see send her back and more will appear.
The main problem is communication and service is variable and very much provider dependent.
Clandestine782
07-15-06, 21:44
Being a person who likes to explore new things and find more efficient ways of finding vagina, I decided to go out of the usual circuit here in the city of Huaihua, Hunan.
If you are in the city, it costs about 300RMB LT with a girl and you must provide the room. If you take a trip about 12 miles out of the city center, to a place called DongWenHuaCheng, it costs about 300RMB LT and this includes the cost of the room. I made the mistake of talking to a motorcycle driver and he told me that there were women available for LT for 150-200RMB in the countryside. "Ok. How far away is this?" It turns out to have been about 20miles PAST the recreational district and therefore 32 miles (give or take from) from the city center. I negotiated the ride for 50RMB, thinking that I would still come about 50RMB ahead, since there was a bus that went back to the city center in the morning for about 5RMB.
Well, it was a disaster. Every single girl there was absolutely MORTIFIED when she saw me. (I'm about 6'4 and 220#. A broad shouldered weightlifter/ runner. Black with white teeth.) I went from one shop to another trying to find someone, all to no avail. At one of the barbershops, when the girls got a look at me, the pimp gave me 20RMB to go to another barbershop. (You know that this has to be serious, because I have seen blood spilled in this very city over 12RMB. Chinese people won't give up money without a literal fight.) At this point, my crooked motorcycle driver (who I had told to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off because he kept begging me for an extra 10RMB for the whole ride that I was not going to come up off of) showed up. (The town was so small that it was not hard to find me within 5 minutes.) He took me back to a barbershop where they said that a girl was coming to see me. I waited for what must have been 30 minutes, and when she came EVEN SHE was afraid of me. At this point, I was getting pissed off. One of the customers there pulled out a police badge. OK........
A long conversation ensued between the police officer and the Mamasan, half in Mandarin and half in Xiang (the local language that they speak here) and from what I could make out they were not willing to let me wander around this small town in the evening because they were afraid for my safety. (This town was very small, and taxis start at 3RMB here, to give you an idea of what it is like.) So, I told them if it was that bad, I could just go and sleep in the police station until the first bus back to Huaihua started. (It should not have been more than a few hours.) They were against this idea, and I told them that I had a visa from the city of Huaihua and that if it was that bad the police could come from there and take me back home since I was part of a danwei (work unit). No, they weren't hearing any of this. Instead, they told me to go to an expensive hotel and stay the night there, because it was safe.
Nothing doing. I recruited the motorcycle driver to take me back for 30RMB. During this hour long drive, it rained intermittently and he KEPT begging me for more money. I even had a KFC Chicken wrap, and when I opened that he begged for some of it. At this point, I'm about to have a nosebleed and I told him that he seemed to have a lot of problems for a man who was at work. Finally, he went on and on about how hungry he was and asked me if I would give him 20RMB for a meal. (I laughed, since fried rice is 4RMB.) At the end of the day, I told him he would get an extra 5RMB and should feel lucky that he was getting that.
So, overall, to waste time and get no vagina cost me 85RMB (A total of 70RMB going between 2 points from the city of Huaihua plus 35RMB for returning minus the 20RMB that the papasan gave me to go away.)
During the conversations to try to convince the girls that I would be a good customer, the mamasan kept saying "Just wear a condom." So, that let's you know a bit about the degree of safety in the countryside. (Bareback is a temptation that I get often, but there just comes some point at which the risk is above my comfort level.)
What is the moral of this story?
1. At rock bottom prices, the girls are likely to be so far away from the city center that they have never seen a foreigner in all of their life. They might also be afraid that they might get ruptured from having sex with a black man. (Chinese men must have REALLY little dicks like I've heard so often from Western women.)
2. Outside of the big cities, the police DON'T have it under control and that might be a BETTER place to get robbed/ murdered than the biggest cities. (This is in spite of the fact that taxi drivers in Beijing and Guangzhou have shields between them and the customers-- and that one driver told me that 4 taxi drivers had been killed that year in Beijing alone.) My employer has told me time and time again "If you venture outside of Huaihua, we cannot be responsible for your safety." WTF???
No need to insult Chinese men. It's not like all black have big dicks either. It was the perception that you were black and had a large penis. But from your write-up, they were obviously wrong in assuming the worst of you. Perhaps it's your 6'4"/220 lbs size too and the fact that most black smells really bad from their sweat.
And why would you put yourself in an area outside the major cities where black people are hardly seen? You'll scare the living shit out of these countryside people.
Just like any other country, Chinese people discriminates too. There's always a preference for customers: locals, returning overseas Chinese and then other Asians.
The Caucasians and blacks are not always the preferred customers in P4P business in China. Accept it and work with it. Find a local place in the city.
Bill
[QUOTE=Clandestine782]
What is the moral of this story?
(Chinese men must have REALLY little dicks like I've heard so often from Western women.)
Traveler1234
07-15-06, 22:51
Being a person who likes to explore new things and find more efficient ways of finding vagina, I decided to go out of the usual circuit here in the city of Huaihua, Hunan.
What is the moral of this story?
1. At rock bottom prices, the girls are likely to be so far away from the city center that they have never seen a foreigner in all of their life. They might also be afraid that they might get ruptured from having sex with a black man. (Chinese men must have REALLY little dicks like I've heard so often from Western women.)
2. Outside of the big cities, the police DON'T have it under control and that might be a BETTER place to get robbed/ murdered than the biggest cities. WTF???
I read with amusement your post and did some research, eg looked at your previous posts to get some sense of what you might have experienced, where you're coming from, etc.
It appears you've traveled in China before, based on posts from as far back as Jan 05 and have had some relatively positive experiences with Chinese women. It also seems you've been in other rural areas of China and not encountered the problems you posted here.
So I'm going to cut you some slack and try to keep this response on the tame side.
Not all blacks have 10 inch cocks, nor do all asians have 2 inch cocks. In fact studies show penis sizes, on average do not differ extensively in size....but who the fuck cares. I mean, I'm not fucking you nor are you fucking me - the only ones that should be concerned are the pussies, right?
Insulting Chinese and/or Asians in general isn't very productive, nor will it solve the problem you encountered. If anything, it'll turn off members of this board (asian and non-asians)....maybe worse?
The response you got isn't surprising....the countryside is quite different than the major cities. And like any p4p, you can't force someone to fuck with you, right? Maybe you got turned down because of your size and not your color...who knows? Irregardless, you aren't the first to be turned down, nor will you be the last.
Maybe you should feel lucky you made it back with your 10 inch cock intact. Imagine doing what you just did in the deep south 30 yrs ago....what kind of reaction and reception would you have 'expected' and gotten. Maybe a noose from a 10 ft tree? :(
My suggestion - go cool off, don't compare dick sizes, have a cold beer and go get laid.
Clandestine782
07-15-06, 22:51
And why would you put yourself in an area outside the major cities where black people are hardly seen? You'll scare the living shit out of these countryside people.
I did not have the intention to do that. I can speak the national language and have some idea of the customs and how to convey politeness in the Chinese mind. Apparently that was not enough.
Maybe a lot of black people don't smell too fresh, but not this one. I am AMERICAN and we learned about deodorant long ago, so the girls had no reason to be afraid of me on that front.
I believe that is is probably your size and not your color that put off the girls. I took a couple of American with me to a KTV that I been to before with my Taiwan friends. I took them because I know that the girls are very friendly and outgoing. Well, we got there and I saw the same mamason that I knew from before. We were shown to a KTV room but instead of getting a line-up as usual, the mamason came and told me that she was very sorry because none of the girls wants to come to our room because one of the guys in our group was 6'3", 230lbs. The girls were afraid of him. The mamason was very nice and promised that if we came back without the big guy, there will be no problem. This is why I believe it is your size and not your color. By the way, this was in LoWu in Shenzhen where there are a few foreigners running around and not in the country side.
You have to remember that the girls are getting the same pay whether she is doing a Chinese guy who she is comforable with VS a big foreign guy who she has never been with and is afraid of.
I have talked a few girls who have never been with a foreigner and is afraid of being with them into going with my foreign friends. After they finally did go with my friends, they are no longer afraid of foreigners anymore and even prefer foreigners since the girls says that we are nicer. Just my 2 cents.
Seriously, don't tell me you actually rode out an extra 20 miles to the middle of nowhere, on the back of a motorcycle no less, to save 50 yuan. Please tell me you just wanted to explore a new area or were curious about the countryside. Hell, a Frappaccino at Starbucks costs 40 yuan...
Hey everyone and Clandestine,
I don’t believe it would happen to an Asian guy like from Taiwan, Korea or Hong Kong. Everybody is a little hard on the guy. Clandestine’s story is kind of funny. I like the part about the KFC chicken. Sounds like the motorcycle driver was really hungry. Must have crossed his mind after looking at Clandestine and saw dark meat. Chinese people like to eat almost anything with legs except for a table. The undercover cop might have been trying to protect Clandestine from the cooking pot.
What did you expect in a rural area of China, peasant country. To see a white guy in person is rare in a city and to see a black guy is even rarer. Now this happened in the rural countryside, even worst. To add, to them you’re over six feet four inches and 220lb is like seeing a gorilla or the Incredible Hunk the FIRST time, scared. They first have to get to know you. Seeing large amount of money would have helped. Being big has its advantages and disadvantages, it take about 5-6 Chinese guys to rob you.
Just a side note, I was around the Guangzhou Railroad Station shopping. There is a wholesale shopping district around this station. I went to check out some hotels and noticed half were filled with black guys, I think from Africa. ( Africa has the highest numbers of AIDS cases, hope they wear protection ) I also saw a few guys with, I think were working girls. Therefore, they just have to get to know you and it might be your size.
For being small, then why is there 1.3 billion Chinese. They must have plenty of energy.
Traveler1234
07-16-06, 01:25
Seriously, don't tell me you actually rode out an extra 20 miles to the middle of nowhere, on the back of a motorcycle no less, to save 50 yuan. Please tell me you just wanted to explore a new area or were curious about the countryside. Hell, a Frappaccino at Starbucks costs 40 yuan...
Lord Moody
Great post - i missed that part completely.
ROLFMAO
Superforce99
07-16-06, 04:45
Seriously, don't tell me you actually rode out an extra 20 miles to the middle of nowhere, on the back of a motorcycle no less, to save 50 yuan. Please tell me you just wanted to explore a new area or were curious about the countryside. Hell, a Frappaccino at Starbucks costs 40 yuan...
Ha ha...I'm sure he did it to save the money, actually. You probably know that there are A LOT of foreigners in China now, and from my experience, a majority of them are not making much money. Hey, you gotta do some crazy things to save a buck and/or have fun at the same time, so...
Anyway, it becomes a situation where the absolute amount of RMB becomes more valuable than inexact measurements like time/comfort/safety....ha ha...I've been there before and don't want to go back...
J
PS. And using Starbucks as a comparison for other things in China is kind of funny, since you can get a blowjob and fuck in CP for 30 RMB! ....and I don't even think there are Starbucks in Hunan...
OldAsiaHand
07-16-06, 06:40
Tercar 66,
You may want to seek better advise from the resident experts, but I will put in my two fen.
They are different. I like Beijing because of the Mongolian girls. And, you can get Russian if you prefer. My experience with the Chinese girls in Beijing has not been that good, however, I saw some of the most gorgeous women I have ever seen in China in the old Passions club. I understand many of the girls have ended up in another club, but have not checked it out yet. IMHO, the price/value ratio in Beijing is not that good. And, Beijing does not have a lot of action in the low end e.g. BBS, etc. where I usually monger. There are probably more FS sauna places in Beijing.
Shanghai has the full gamit of options from BBS to the most expensive KTV girls and escorts in the country. One of my favorites was the BJ factory which I understand has closed now. I have very fond memories of that place for some of the best fire/ice head for only 130 RMB. I often find the "Shanghai" (probably not from Shanghai) girls a bit more foreigner friendly than in Beijing, but again not that great price/value ratio.
Having said all that, I am a S. China fan. It may be because I am based in the area, however, I still think it represents the biggest selection and the best value for money in the country.
Just my POV.
OAH
I have never been to China but I follow the posts regularly as maybe a part of my future mongering destination. Just out of curiosity which is the best place for mongering action Shanghai or Bejing as both seem equally good.There are a lot of Chinese in Dubai and they control a major part of the mongering market.
OldAsiaHand
07-16-06, 07:43
Clandestine:
I have enjoyed reading your posts over the years. Some of the situations you get yourself into are quite amusing to me too. I met a guy living in Huizhou a few years that fits your description. Who knows? It might even have been you.
Even as a "big" white guy mongering in China, I run across the same fear that you describe. In addition to the size, we are "perceived" to be long lasting and excellent performers.
IMHO, some of the comments our fellow members make sense.
1) There are some establishments and girls that are simply not open to foreigners. This is a fact of life. However, there are plenty that are.
2) Since I reckon I am not too large, I often offer to show them my dick first.
3) Gossip travels fast. If you get one to try, you will find more will follow suit once you have "passed" the test so to speak.
4) Since you have the language ability, take some time to use it. Go into the shop, sit down and start joking around to break the ice and warm them up. Some gentle assurance can go a long way.
I also enjoy adventure and have mongered in many small towns in China. One of my problems is finding girls willing to do a BJ in these towns, but I have always managed to get laid.
Regarding your safety, did you say or do anything to provoke the LE in the shop to get involved?
Just my POV.
OAH
Ace of Spades
07-16-06, 07:46
I have known Clandestine for many years and I believe it was a serious error in judgment on his part as an experienced hobbyist in China and Asia for him to venture into middle of nowhere seeking snatch. To save a few pennies is not worth your life. Also, you get what you pay for.
I am Black too, and I have been refused service on many of occasions by Chinese hookers because of my “perceived dick size.” However, I have always found that money talks and really breaks the ice. I met a girl last year in a brothel and we did outcall service regularly. I treated her well buying her meals, gifts and giving her big tips. I bought her a bucket of chicken form KFC to take back to her friends at brothel, she really appreciated it. I know for a certain she told all the other girls back at the brothel (many of them refused to give me service when I visited the brothel) about how generous Black guys are. This means that the next Black guy who comes along will have an easier time.
One has to wonder about the lawlessness in the remote areas of provincial China. The kind of place Clandestine visited is probably one where few Chinese want to go. I don’t think it is worth going there to find cheap snatch unless you are with a Chinese friend who can translate and help facilitate everything. It is far too easy to have a misunderstanding over small amounts of money that could turn into violence. Last year when I was in Guangdong province in Foshan city, I ventured off into the middle of nowhere late one night after leaving a bar and I was attacked by locals with chairs- Thank goodness the chairs were made of plastic, they almost nearly killed me. I paid the price with a few bumps and scratches.
Clandestine782
07-16-06, 10:11
Seriously, don't tell me you actually rode out an extra 20 miles to the middle of nowhere, on the back of a motorcycle no less, to save 50 yuan. Please tell me you just wanted to explore a new area or were curious about the countryside. Hell, a Frappaccino at Starbucks costs 40 yuan...
Not exactly. But the point was, there would have been no reason to go way out to another city (because that is what this was, was a small city) if the cost of finding vagina was going to be HIGHER than what it would have been if I had just stayed home. As it happens, I live the Chinese life (since I am in China) and it is an acquired taste to fight for that last 1RMB note. What I did want to do was see another place and find out about the sex industry there, which is always good to know. (I'm a "maven," i.e., an information gatherer.)
For being small, then why is there 1.3 billion Chinese. They must have plenty of energy....
Actually, penis size has nothing to do with survival value. And neither does intelligence, for that matter. This is not the place to get into an argument about Evolutionary Biology, so I'll just leave that one alone.
I met a guy living in Huizhou a few years that fits your description. Who knows? It might even have been you.
No, you didn't meet me. I have never been or lived there.
Regarding your safety, did you say or do anything to provoke the LE in the shop to get involved?
No, not a thing. I was sitting there and there was a customer there. It just happened to have been the police. I DO know that the value of life in China is very low and am not a sha bi.
Clandestine:
I think you meant you were just looking ( exploring ) for some "New Hunting Ground". I do the same, look for new territory all the time. I don't consider 32miles away far in exploring. I usually visit about 10-12 cities in China. This cover hundreds of miles. The way it was written it sounded like you were looking for some cheap places and you were a little upset just for 85RMB.
Thanks OldAsiaHand for your info. If I ever visit China, it will definately be Shanghai. Emirates fly directly to Shanghai and not other parts of China. Being in the Airline industry gives me a privilage of free travel to any part of the world, hence I have travelled to more than 25 countries by now but never to China and Jakarta. I find both these forums extremely interesting. Still trying to make up my mind.
Thanks anyway
Ace Gallant
07-16-06, 17:56
Tercar 66,
You may want to seek better advise from the resident experts, but I will put in my two fen.
They are different. I like Beijing because of the Mongolian girls. And, you can get Russian if you prefer. My experience with the Chinese girls in Beijing has not been that good, however, I saw some of the most gorgeous women I have ever seen in China in the old Passions club. I understand many of the girls have ended up in another club, but have not checked it out yet. IMHO, the price/value ratio in Beijing is not that good. And, Beijing does not have a lot of action in the low end e.g. BBS, etc. where I usually monger. There are probably more FS sauna places in Beijing.
Shanghai has the full gamit of options from BBS to the most expensive KTV girls and escorts in the country. One of my favorites was the BJ factory which I understand has closed now. I have very fond memories of that place for some of the best fire/ice head for only 130 RMB. I often find the "Shanghai" (probably not from Shanghai) girls a bit more foreigner friendly than in Beijing, but again not that great price/value ratio.
Having said all that, I am a S. China fan. It may be because I am based in the area, however, I still think it represents the biggest selection and the best value for money in the country.
Just my POV.
OAH
As a Chinese speaking resident of Shanghai that travel regularly to Beijing, South China (Started in Feb these year) these are my 2 cents worth to add on to the already good informtation:
Beijing:
An older city but been the capital city, it have stricter controls. Mongering Locations, KTV, Bars, BBS, SWs, Saunas; all are available. However, because it is a much bigger city, a visitor have to plan where to stay in order to minimized traveling time to your Mongering locations and your business needs. It is three times bigger than Shanghai and places are more widespread. As mentioned there are more fair selections of Mongolian and because it is further North, Russian are available. Comparing prices... it a fair share. Because "A fool and his money will soon be parted" as a foreigner, it is very easy to be ripped off or asked to pay double, triple of what local pay in any city. Hotel rates are higher
Shanghai:
Big Metropolitan City with big spending power. Everything is easily available at between 10mins to 30 mins ride on a cab or even 5 min walk to friendly neighborhood BBS. Slections of girls are more of Inland China girls. Experience girls are more spolit and will ask for more tips, or money for the same service.
South China:
It is easier for girls from the poorer villages or cities to travel to Guangzhou or smaller cities in South China than to bigger cities like Shanghai and Beijing So very often you see many more selections of Local villager or so called "Farm-girls" Prices are reasonablity lower than the bugger cities.Very often I found myself spoilt on choices of girls as there are too many to chose from. But however in the smaller cities, of course there are less 5-Stars or "better off" hotels. This is my choice of city to drop in for one night on th way to somewhere. One good suggestion will be cities like CP.
Enjoy!
AG
Traveler1234
07-16-06, 19:23
Not exactly.
Actually, penis size has nothing to do with survival value. And neither does intelligence, for that matter. This is not the place to get into an argument about Evolutionary Biology, so I'll just leave that one alone.
You're right on - penis size (as in larger rather than smaller) has nothing to do with survival value...:)
Now, tell us the truth -- after a couple of days and exchanges with others on this forum: did you cool off, chill out and most important, get laid again in China yet?
LOL
Fast Eddie 48
07-16-06, 22:33
Thanks OldAsiaHand for your info. If I ever visit China, it will definately be Shanghai. Emirates fly directly to Shanghai and not other parts of China. Being in the Airline industry gives me a privilage of free travel to any part of the world, hence I have travelled to more than 25 countries by now but never to China and Jakarta. I find both these forums extremely interesting. Still trying to make up my mind.
Thanks anyway
to tercar 66
I was at Dubai 2 yr ago on a trade show for 4 days there are many girl from
china working the bar in Dubai also saw alot of East European girls also
working the bar at all the hotel ,All want 100 usd or more I told the girl in
chinese I get girl in shenzhen For 20.00 usd they smile , Cost is still cheaper
than the US .
Cathay pacific and singarpore also have flight to Dubai to Hong Kong cost is
very high 540 usd one way .
fast eddie 48
Ace Gallant
07-17-06, 02:07
( Africa has the highest numbers of AIDS cases, hope they wear protection )
Clandestine
Do not want to discuss about whether dick size matters or not. The girls had all different version of their arguement. But however it is a fact that man girls are afraid of oversize dicks because they said it is too painful to their small size openning below.
Remember the further you go into the country, the lesser educated are the people especially girls working in BBSs. It is a common misunderstanding that Foreigners, especially White and Black have big dicks and are very rough. It is also a common mis-understanding that the Black are Dirty people and carry a lot of Sexual Dieases especially AIDS. So I am not surpirse that you get a reactions from many or all of those girls at the BBS because of your color and size.
As said; they might not have seen a Blackman before as foreigner are rare in outskirt cities.
Enjoy.
AG
Phantomtiger2
07-18-06, 23:04
I am Black too, and I have been refused service on many of occasions by Chinese hookers because of my “perceived dick size.”
I was in Guangdong province in Foshan city, I ventured off into the middle of nowhere late one night after leaving a bar and I was attacked by locals with chairs- Thank goodness the chairs were made of plastic, they almost nearly killed me. I paid the price with a few bumps and scratches.
Not sure if you have thought of mongering in other asian countries as flights are generally not that expensive from China to Thailand or Phillipines . I have been there and ladies there are comfortable to men of all "sizes" and "color"--as long as you have money of course. So for asian variety, perhaps a change in venue is just the ticket for you.--IMO
Now about being "almost killed" by chairs--cant figure that one out yet as Chinese people are not generally people that attacks anyone unprovoked--unless their intention was to rob you.
Generally they just Yell and scream - but attack ?
PT
Fast Eddie 48
07-19-06, 03:00
I have known Clandestine for many years and I believe it was a serious error in judgment on his part as an experienced hobbyist in China and Asia for him to venture into middle of nowhere seeking snatch. To save a few pennies is not worth your life. Also, you get what you pay for.
I am Black too, and I have been refused service on many of occasions by Chinese hookers because of my “perceived dick size.” However, I have always found that money talks and really breaks the ice. I met a girl last year in a brothel and we did outcall service regularly. I treated her well buying her meals, gifts and giving her big tips. I bought her a bucket of chicken form KFC to take back to her friends at brothel, she really appreciated it. I know for a certain she told all the other girls back at the brothel (many of them refused to give me service when I visited the brothel) about how generous Black guys are. This means that the next Black guy who comes along will have an easier time.
One has to wonder about the lawlessness in the remote areas of provincial China. The kind of place Clandestine visited is probably one where few Chinese want to go. I don’t think it is worth going there to find cheap snatch unless you are with a Chinese friend who can translate and help facilitate everything. It is far too easy to have a misunderstanding over small amounts of money that could turn into violence. Last year when I was in Guangdong province in Foshan city, I ventured off into the middle of nowhere late one night after leaving a bar and I was attacked by locals with chairs- Thank goodness the chairs were made of plastic, they almost nearly killed me. I paid the price with a few bumps and scratches.
TO ACE
I think you will score much better in Shanghai go to disco ,Chinese girl there
are more open to foreign and black man ,Girls in small town in country side
never see black man before so they are scare.
China will be tough for you if I was you go to thailand , korea and japan you
have a better chance there , My co worker is a black man from the US he is
half white and a very good dancer he score so many freebie chick in disco
even in Hong Kong most girls that go to disco are open to experience new and
exortic man like you .
fast eddie 48
Most of the Chinese in the out of the place have never seen a white man. I remember a few years ago when a bunch of guys from the U.S. went to Haikou, Hainan. We had a group of people follow us everywhere we went. Some of the girls asked if they could inspect the white guy's skin (a couple of us are Chinese-American). The people were very friendly but were curious about the white skin and the hairs. I think seeing a foreigner in the country side is very unusal specially a Black guy. Also I found out that if one girl rejects you then it would be much easier for rest of the girls to reject you. No girl wants to go with the customer that another girl has turned down. It has to do with face.
I have read the last 20 or so posts and found that there is a big thing about lao wai getting laid. I can promise you with the right friends you can be from any where and get laid. Try it on your own, then yes you have problems. Bring a couple of translators along and you will do fine. I mean everyone on the Shanghai board told a black memeber of the board that he wouldn't be able to get laid in Shanghai. The opposite was true and he had a blast. It all depends on luck and any of us can score or luck out, thats just the name of the game. I have never had a problem getting any man laid in Shanghai and trust me when I say that I have gotten a lot of different guys laid. So just relax and have fun. PM people on the local board and see if you can meet up. Have some fun and don't worry too much.
Cheers
Ace Gallant
07-19-06, 06:51
I have never had a problem getting any man laid in Shanghai and trust me when I say that I have gotten a lot of different guys laid. So just relax and have fun.
Cheers
Hey Hey Hey.... here you go again.... hiding some advertisement for yourself in your reports....come on....Dragon.... We laid down the rules lets follow it.
I think you are well known enough on the board and far exceed the needs of advertising for yourself right???
AG
Ace Gallant
07-19-06, 07:01
Most of the Chinese in the out of the place have never seen a white man. I remember a few years ago when a bunch of guys from the U.S. went to Haikou, Hainan. We had a group of people follow us everywhere we went. Some of the girls asked if they could inspect the white guy's skin (a couple of us are Chinese-American). The people were very friendly but were curious about the white skin and the hairs. I think seeing a foreigner in the country side is very unusal specially a Black guy. Also I found out that if one girl rejects you then it would be much easier for rest of the girls to reject you. No girl wants to go with the customer that another girl has turned down. It has to do with face.
It is very normal to get rejection from the locals who had never experience or seen someone total "alien" to them. (I like the part of USA immigration, any persons not from USA is terms as "Alien")
Can you imagine; you are happily sitting in a café when a guy with green skin walked in and start speaking Alien language?
These girls are lucky they had heard of White or Black people so they are just curious but do not want to have anything to do with Foreigners. Not especially having us under their skin! But China nowadays are far better than before, they are much more exposed to outside world and much more willing to accept other cultures. It all just takes time. IMHO: There are always white sheep and Black sheep anywhere. Some will accept while some will run in fear. When going to a foreign place, do what the local do and your chance of getting accepted will be much higher.
When in Rome do what the Romans do.
Enjoy!
AG
AG,
Not really hiding advertising as much as stating the obvious. But maybe subliminal messages is the way to go hahaha...
Cheers
I remember the first time I went to China how people would gather around and point at my nose and hairy arms. Now they have seen many foreigners we are not such a novelty. Of course, black guys still are.
Regarding big fellas with big cocks, my observation has been that while the big dogs growl and fight over who gets the female, it's the little dog that sneaks in and gets the first homp.
Amazing Hkg
07-19-06, 08:06
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because the subject was not related to the purpose of this Forum, which is as follows:
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex.
Ace Gallant
07-19-06, 08:14
AG,
Not really hiding advertising as much as stating the obvious. But maybe subliminal messages is the way to go hahaha...
Cheers
No!!.... you commited an offence! Apologized or you'll be removed! Hahahaha....
Hey come on a Healthly joke now and than to liven up the Hot summer afternoon!
AG
SidTheSexist
07-19-06, 09:49
Personally, I like asian girls over western girls, any day. Many of my mates back home wouldnt even think about approaching an asian/black/s.american girl on the street. As my hometown is not huge and does not have a great deal of foreigners, my less well travelled friends still hold very narrow minded opinions of the few they do see on the streets regardless of natural beauty. Whenever I do return, they are the only girls I will look at, which my friends find just as frightening. I suppose the point of this is that, we can hold just as many prejudices as the up country chinese can/do. Only, because we are in their country and on the receiving end of it, we tend to notice it a hell of a lot more.
sid
Albert Punter
07-19-06, 10:57
Only country where I had problems is Japan (as I had reported in that thread), otherwise I have never been refused by a girl.
AG,
Sorry but I disagree with this statement
It is a common misunderstanding that Foreigners, ..... are very rough. AG
I think that one of the reason it is so easy to score freebies in China is perception that western men are more romantic, passionate, caring, etc. than locals.
I think that one of the reason it is so easy to score freebies in China is perception that western men are more romantic, passionate, caring, etc. than locals.
This may be not necessarily be obvious, so I'll say it anyway. Chinese men score a helluva lot more "freebies" than foreigners. I would even venture to say that natives score a helluva lot more "freebies" than foreigners in just about every country in the world.
In China there's a sense that women who go with foreigners do so for one of 4 reasons; curiousity, money, crazy, or can't do any better cuz they're ugly. Yes it's racist, but that's pretty much how they feel.
Ace Gallant
07-19-06, 11:24
Only country where I had problems is Japan (as I had reported in that thread), otherwise I have never been refused by a girl.
AG,
Sorry but I disagree with this statement
I think that one of the reason it is so easy to score freebies in China is perception that western men are more romantic, passionate, caring, etc. than locals.
Cannot agree with you.
But; Been rough does not means you are not passionate and romantic. What I meant is been rough in sex.
However the chinese girls are beyond what you think they are, they are not stupid to tell me that they knew Western men are very romantic during courtship but quickly dumped them after they had got what they wanted. I don't know who told you their perception but these is what all my freebies told me on their preference of why they do not look for a western if they want to developed a relationship.
Of course there are other elements of Whether this man is rich, handsome, and most important of all: Language! (The ablities to communicate in the same langauge).
AG
Albert Punter
07-19-06, 12:01
Yes, obvious, but I agree 101%.
This may be not necessarily be obvious, so I'll say it anyway. Chinese men score a helluva lot more "freebies" than foreigners. I would even venture to say that natives score a helluva lot more "freebies" than foreigners in just about every country in the world.
Albert Punter
07-19-06, 12:16
AG,
evidently my perception differs from yours, which undoubtedly is substantiated by huge field experience.
I made my statement as many Chinese girls told me so.
Also, let me add that girls I met do not think western men are rough in sex. Perception I got from their words is totally opposite.
Then, I am with you when you say that Chinese girls know we are not there for long term relationship.
However, as well Moody said, they are curious to verify if their perception about western men (romantic, passionate and caring, in bed too) is right. Or probably they have already experienced and they want to continue to enjoy.
Let me add one more comment.
We always talk about "westerners" and we forget that this definition covers a quite wide spectrum of ethnics, with very different cultures and attitudes. Same may apply to "asians": as an example, Indian and Japanese are not same.
Basing on my experience, Chinese girls see these differences and select accordingly.
Cannot agree with you.
But; Been rough does not means you are not passionate and romantic. What I meant is been rough in sex.
However the chinese girls are beyond what you think they are, they are not stupid to tell me that they knew Western men are very romantic during courtship but quickly dumped them after they had got what they wanted. I don't know who told you their perception but these is what all my freebies told me on their preference of why they do not look for a western if they want to developed a relationship.
Of course there are other elements of Whether this man is rich, handsome, and most important of all: Language! (The ablities to communicate in the same langauge).
AG
I had many freebies. I quit trying because I ended up with a very pretty 23 year old GF. She did not take or ask for money. She works. She does not want to leave China. She became an excellent and very giving lover. She wants me to come back and live together in GZ. Then, get married and stay in CHina.
I am actually very confused about what i will do.
I met others like her, but not as pretty. Many of these women would make excellent partners. Keep an open mind. Not all women are pros or semipros. I may come back to China and get hitched. I think she's that good. However, I don't think I could live in China for long.
Savannah
Bull Dozer
07-19-06, 16:51
Guys,
Logging out of the forum is a problem, seems like the server does not log one out, I have tried several times but does not work, it is dangerous for some of us that we are logged in always, as our GF's or wifes may be prowling on our computers while we are away. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
GJ
Guys,
Logging out of the forum is a problem, seems like the server does not log one out, I have tried several times but does not work, it is dangerous for some of us that we are logged in always, as our GF's or wifes may be prowling on our computers while we are away. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
GJ
If the logout function does not work...
Delete your cookies, that will log you out.
You can search for one with www.internationalsexguide.info in the name of the cookie file if you don't want to delete the lot.
BJK
Here is my take on Chinese men vs foreigners. If everything being equal, like money, education, age, looks, etc the Chinese women would accept a Chinese guy over the foreigner anytime. However most foreigner have more money, education, etc over the average Chinese men therefore will attract some Chinese women. However I have found that most of the educated, wealth Chinese women in China will not be will be happy leaving China. I have a few very attractive Chinese Ladies who would like to meet men in the following order. Taiwan, Hong Kong, Overseas Chinese (must speak Chinese). They will not accept foreigners. One of my Chinese-American married a well to do Chinese lady however their term was that she comes to the U.S. wait until she gets her green card then he must go back to China with her and do business in China. Her family will give them the money to start business in China.
The lower educated and less well to do ladies however are willing to relocate out of China however that does it mean it is their first choice.
You have to remember that bring a lady back to your country is great for you however from her point of view is she has no friends or relatiives, does not speak the language well, different culture, different food, different living conditions. If she is lucky, she can go home maybe once a year. I know a lot of Mainland ladies that married Taiwan guys, go to live in Taiwan for a couple of years and the first time they go back home to visit will refuse to go back to Taiwan again. It happens so often that the Taiwan government have pass a new law that states if there is no children involved and the wife refuse to come back, it does not even count as a divoice. The new law states that the marriage never happened.
However most foreigner have more money, education, etc over the average Chinese men therefore will attract some Chinese women. .
csun
i agreed mostly on the first paragraph with the exception of the above. most asian american i know have post graduate degrees and have atleast equal in $$ or more than foreigners.
I agreed that most females from well to do families will rarely accept foreigner. You also forgot the singaporeans, i put them between the taiwanese and hong kong guys.
Phantomtiger2
07-19-06, 22:54
I also want to mention one of the most important factor that everyone seem to have left out is Family pressure .Sometimes its not up to the Chinese girls to decide if they can go with foreigners (non Chinese). The family will make sure of that. Alot of family members--mostly parents and to some extent--all male relatives, uncles/brothers of the gals. Sometimes they will all put down the girls and disgrace them so badly that is impossible for them to be with a foreigner.
I've seen this happen to some people I know at home where the majority of population is non-Chinese--so these people are not even in China, so just imagine when this situation happens in China itself.
Once again, this is just my take on things.
PT
Ontario Boy
07-19-06, 23:20
[QUOTE=Csun213]Here is my take on Chinese men vs foreigners. If everything being equal, like money, education, age, looks, etc the Chinese women would accept a Chinese guy over the foreigner anytime.
There is no sense in making sweeping generalizations like this. It all depends on individuals. I have many examples of both wealthy Chinese ladies marrying foreigners and wealthy Chinese men marrying "poorer" Chinese women. The determining factor is not money but personal l feelings. Family pressure can be strong also but most younger generation Chinese are getting away from this more and more. I have been in an inter racial relationship long enough to know that the big differences are cultural not financial. It is easier for a Chinese to be Chinese with another Chinese.
The claim that Taiwanese men are the first choice of mainland women is ridiculous. Most "educated" mainland Chinese women I know do not think highly of Taiwanese due to the political differences. I know dozens of Taiwanese men and know no one who has a mainland wife - several have "mistress." The main reason Taiwanese are preferred is because they are free spenders with their girlfriends and are likely to be around longer. Hooking up with a non Asian foreigner is risky because they could leave at any time. Taiwanese are closer and spend more time in China.
[The claim that Taiwanese men are the first choice of mainland women is ridiculous. Most "educated" mainland Chinese women I know do not think highly of Taiwanese due to the political differences. I know dozens of Taiwanese men and know no one who has a mainland wife - several have "mistress." The main reason Taiwanese are preferred is because they are free spenders with their girlfriends and are likely to be around longer. Hooking up with a non Asian foreigner is risky because they could leave at any time. Taiwanese are closer and spend more time in China.
Ontario
i agree that most taiwanese are freespenders and loves it. Most taiwanese families looks down on the mainlander to a degree. a lot of my taiwanese friends maintain a mistress on the mainland and I think their wives just looks the other way at it. i only wish that mines does the same... but i really don't think so. ahh...divorce is costly and I do not wish to be poorer than the schmuck beggin on the corner.
Can anyone tell me a shop or pharmacy where I can find Cialis in Shanghai? I really want to find the real stuff if it is available here.
I have done searches on this thread and cannot find any specific info.
ES
csun
i agreed mostly on the first paragraph with the exception of the above. most asian american i know have post graduate degrees and have atleast equal in $$ or more than foreigners.
I agreed that most females from well to do families will rarely accept foreigner. You also forgot the singaporeans, i put them between the taiwanese and hong kong guys.
I do agree with you that most Asian-American do have post graduate degrees. I think it is because our parents makes us feel like a failure if we don't have one. In my family everyone have at least a Masters degree therefore I would feel like a failure if I did not get at least a Masters.
I did not include Singaporeans since the girls that I talked that I ask me to try and fix them up with boyfriends never met any Singaporeans. I only have met 1 guys from Singapore in all the years I have been going to China who is also highly educated and is doing very well but married.
[QUOTE=Csun213]Here is my take on Chinese men vs foreigners. If everything being equal, like money, education, age, looks, etc the Chinese women would accept a Chinese guy over the foreigner anytime.
There is no sense in making sweeping generalizations like this. It all depends on individuals. I have many examples of both wealthy Chinese ladies marrying foreigners and wealthy Chinese men marrying "poorer" Chinese women. The determining factor is not money but personal l feelings. Family pressure can be strong also but most younger generation Chinese are getting away from this more and more. I have been in an inter racial relationship long enough to know that the big differences are cultural not financial. It is easier for a Chinese to be Chinese with another Chinese.
The claim that Taiwanese men are the first choice of mainland women is ridiculous. Most "educated" mainland Chinese women I know do not think highly of Taiwanese due to the political differences. I know dozens of Taiwanese men and know no one who has a mainland wife - several have "mistress." The main reason Taiwanese are preferred is because they are free spenders with their girlfriends and are likely to be around longer. Hooking up with a non Asian foreigner is risky because they could leave at any time. Taiwanese are closer and spend more time in China.
I am just telling you what I have seen and heard from my friends. I am not saying that is what all Chinese people feel. There are always exceptions in everything.
The reason given why the girls I know prefer Taiwan guys is because they feel that Taiwan guys on the average is higher educated then the average Chinese guys. The laws in Taiwan treats the ladies better than the Mainland laws or tradition. The other reason is that Taiwan is closer to Mainland VS USA or other countries therefore it would easier for them to come home to visit their family.
It is true that Taiwan people do look down on Mainland ladies because they feel that the girls are just after their money and not for true love. There have been many cases where the girls will marry the Taiwan guys then run back to China with all their money. I have seen this happen to one of my Taiwan friend who now hate all Mainlander. I have 3 Taiwan friend who have Mainland wives along with 4 Chinese-American friends in the U.S. that also have married Mainland Wives. They are all doing fine but the Chinese-American guys all live in Los Angeles which have a huge Chinese populartion. Again everything I am saying is what I have seen and heard from my friends.
I must agree with Ontario Boy, my observation is that Mainland girls, especially the educatred ones, are not very interested in Taiwanese men. Many know that brides are treated in a very tradionnal way by the Taiwanese mother in law, which is quite a nasty way. Decades of socialist ideology have made Mailand women cherish equality among sex and independance of women in the society. It is also a geographical, linguistic and cultural question, as girls from Fujian, Zhejiang or even Shanghai are more likely to get along well with Taiwanese men than girls from Peking, Sichian or Mandchouriaforinstance.
Lots of mainland guys are now doing well financially, so good looking and educated gals may now prefer hunting for rich and educated husbands in the domestic market.
Albert Punter
07-20-06, 12:08
Santa,
As usual you are perfectly right.
Chinese girls prefer locals when they look for husband.
What I have stated a few posts back, only referred to temporary BF or fun.
Lots of mainland guys are now doing well financially, so good looking and educated gals may now prefer hunting for rich and educated husbands in the domestic market.
Traveler1234
07-20-06, 16:47
On another forum, pg rated, saw a funny post:
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6092902&postcount=1
Anyone here have friends who might want to answer them?
Clandestine782
07-20-06, 18:02
You guys may be right about most women looking for a local man for a husband, but I wonder if some of the bad treatment that the local men give the local women does create a market for foreign guys-- even if it is not all that big, it is enough.
I see white guys around here that aren't all that soft to look at finding women with the greatest of ease. And these men speak no Chinese.
Listening to the conversations of Chinese people, I could see how a foreign man could offer an escape or at least something different.
1. Have you noticed how many women at the barbershops are divorced or recently finished with a long term relationship?
2. There is a lot of physical abuse that goes on here, but I think that it is something that no one will ever talk about publicly.
3. I remember reading in the China Daily that some huge number of women were dissatisfied with their sex lives.
4. Could a relationship be anything any different in China from what most part of Chinese culture are? That is to say: Carrying out the conflicts and rituals of DEAD OLD MEN. To me, a foreigner seems like it would be a chance to move away from generations of going in circles. (This is a question that has crossed my mind often when observing people here. The women here are GREAT to look at, but I wonder how can it be that people here have had functioning governments and written history for such a long time and haven't come up with anything better than this. And I'll leave this topic where it sits, because this is not the appropriate discussion board for it.)
Phantomtiger2
07-20-06, 22:25
On another forum, pg rated, saw a funny post:
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6092902&postcount=1
Anyone here have friends who might want to answer them?
Only problem with that post was the true intentions for the women. It's very similar to ads and post I've seen from eastern europe to lure Russian /Ukraine innocent women to be sex slaves in Turkey and other eastern european countries. Once women are in another country, passports are taken away, women are locked indoors and not let out, local police paid off and gals are never found again.
Not sure if thats the case here but could happen.
PT
Traveler1234
07-20-06, 22:47
Only problem with that post was the true intentions for the women. It's very similar to ads and post I've seen from eastern europe to lure Russian /Ukraine innocent women to be sex slaves in Turkey and other eastern european countries. Once women are in another country, passports are taken away, women are locked indoors and not let out, local police paid off and gals are never found again.
Not sure if thats the case here but could happen.
PT
You're of course absolutely right, this could very well happen. And there are probably some dumb ones out there stupid enough to answer the advertisement.
Fortunately, I think China doesn't have the same reputation as say eastern europe, middle east and/or certain south american countries.
You guys may be right about most women looking for a local man for a husband, but I wonder if some of the bad treatment that the local men give the local women does create a market for foreign guys-- even if it is not all that big, it is enough.
Of course there are lots of gals looking for a rich foreign husband and there always will be. But as China's economy grows the desire to emigrate goes down. Why marry a guy in Taipei or New York if she can find a successful and trendy guy in Shanghai?
Also, as their own financial situations improve these gals will look more for "love and romance". How much money a guy has will become less important. I'm talking about the middle-class gals, not the poor.
That's what I think, but I'm only guessing.
Of course there are lots of gals looking for a rich foreign husband ................
I am not sure if they are really looking, but if the opportunity arises......
I this now a marriage forum?
[QUOTE=DayNight Is this now a marriage forum?[/QUOTE]
No, but I'm sure lots of guys using this forum have thoughts about marrying a chinese gal.
No, but I'm sure lots of guys using this forum have thoughts about marrying a chinese gal.
...and ISG is the perfect place to start looking....
...and ISG is the perfect place to start looking....
Yes, I think it is!
Some guys are looking for prostitutes, some are looking for easy freebies, others are looking for girlfriends or wives. "Men looking for sex" is not exclusively men looking for hookers.
Marriage is a frequent topic on the Thailand and Philippines threads and there's no better website for learning about the ways of asian women!
I have also learned a lot from this website.
And thank you DayNight for your many informative and interesting contributions.
[Moody]You're preaching to the converted... I personally find it hard to even get a girl unless I'm tanked up. I don't just don't hit many bars... too many of them are too similar to KTV, so I just go to KTV. As some on the board have commented, I'm not really a hardcore monger. I just like to drink in the company of pretty girls. Seriously, aside from the expense, what's not to like about KTV? You get to drink, and if you hit it off with the girl, you can take her back your room.[/QUOTE]
Moody, thanks for your input. I thought I'd better move this reply to the general area incase I get told off for posting non-mongering stuff on the SZ thread!
You are probably right about the KTV, but the thing is from RTFF I have gathered that KTVs are not a top idea for the single or inexcperienced monger. To people like you it's easy because you've been there and done it, so to speak, and perhaps I am speaking out of turn here but I reckon a lot of single males, especially from European backgrounds, feel a lot more comfortable walking into a bar / pub / club. Not that it matters, but I was lonley in SZ for 4 days, until I went to the Shangri La bar, but then I just met wankers who couldn't lie straight in bed. I then went to some bar in Shekou and talked to the girls there, and although it cost me a small fortune in drinks and taxis, it was worth it.
Some may say- if yo want to sit and drink in a bar, don't come to China- and that's fair enough, but from what I can gather there are many bars in SZ, and indeed all over China which would be really good mongering grounds if only we had accurate and up to date information. Let's also not forget that there are times when one just wants to sit and have a quiet drink and look at pretty girls, or chat to some local- sort of down time from mongering.
All I can ask of any of you guys is if you do happen to go to a bar anywhere, could you mention it's name and location in English and Chinese characters, and also if it is any good.
Many thanks.
OldAsiaHand
07-22-06, 09:27
I agree that all things being equal (wealth, education, etc.), Chinese women prefer local men, even though I am white and married to a
Chinese woman. I also agree that Chinese women with enough money to live a better than average lifestyle, prefer to stay in China. There are huge cultural difference to overcome. I have said it before. Unless you are willing to compromise, don't even think about it.
Just my POV.
OAH
Old Mean Dog
07-22-06, 13:34
I agree, many are looking for a wife, like myself, I just have not run across the "right" one yet, so in the mean time I will continue my search. It also helps that I work for one of the largest and oldest International Marriage Agencies in the world.
Clandestine782
07-24-06, 15:28
Some of you may remember that I posted on here a while back about being in a relationship with a girl who wanted 1,000RMB/ month as a companion. She had another boyfriend but said that he was obsessed with his job and did not pay her attention. Fine. For 1,000RMB/ month, I got about all the sex I wanted and a girl that got up and left on command.
Fast forward to another city and another job. This time I have met a girl from a KTV. A few interesting things. 1. She said that the overhead was so high that she only cleared 2000RMB/ month. I had her overnight for 800 and she said that the boss would take 600, of which 400 went into his pocket and 200 went to rental fees for the house. (As it happens, when I came to the place, they told me that there were girls for 1600 overnight-- at which I laughed hysterically and told them to show me the 800RMB girls.) 2. She had never had her carpet licked and I had to pry her legs apart in order to do this to her but she flailed all over the place when I did do it. 3. She is from this city. 4. When I told the boss that I was looking for a girl, he brought this one to me first jack out of the box. And the numbers that she told me for how much she got per customer were believable when I saw how fast she was willing to go with a black foreigner.
Of course, the question came up: Would you be willing to move in with me for 2,000/ month? She said that she would, but was curious about how I would pay her. Would it be monthly or weekly and if it would be in advance or not. I told her it could be weekly and in advance.
The question for you guys is: What are some things that I should consider in going into this "relationship"? This girl is hot as hell (to me), and 2,000 is something that I can afford. As it is, I don't want to spend any time on finding a girl in bars because I HATE bars and I HATE cigarette smoke and loud house/ techno music. It is not a foregone conclusion that I could get a girl this hot on my own.
This relationship may not last for more than 6 months or a year, but I am seeing it as a way to economize on my time. As it is, I only like to go running and lift weights. I'm a really boring asshole who does not like to drink and live the life of other foreigners here.
Albert Punter
07-24-06, 17:11
RMB 2.000 is what most likely you would spend anyhow in a month for mongering.
I don't see anything wrong in what you plan to do, provided you like to share your apt with a stranger, and unless she asks for shopping money, and restaurant money, and special gift and .... .
Of course, the question came up: Would you be willing to move in with me for 2,000/ month? She said that she would, but was curious about how I would pay her. Would it be monthly or weekly and if it would be in advance or not. I told her it could be weekly and in advance.
I'd go for it. It sounds a little on the low side. Some of my friends in HK have a girl near Shenzen they pay 4000-5000 or more. 2000 sounds like a bargain. Make sure you know what is included, i.e. food, gifts, outings.
I think you should also negotiate a termination fee. It is likely she will get clingy. Better to pay her to go. So set a payment aside of say 200-250 every month to give her when you are finished.
I think you are being a lttle mean with paying weekly in advance. It is very small amount for a large risk on her part. What if you tire of her in a week. She is out the door without any job and she will not be welcome at her old job if she has gone direct with a customer.
Give her a little more security, at least an agreed minimum, after all you did pay 800 for the one night.
BJK
Old Mean Dog
07-25-06, 03:20
The question for you guys is: What are some things that I should consider in going into this "relationship"? This girl is hot as hell (to me), and 2,000 is something that I can afford. As it is, I don't want to spend any time on finding a girl in bars because I HATE bars and I HATE cigarette smoke and loud house/ techno music. It is not a foregone conclusion that I could get a girl this hot on my own.
This relationship may not last for more than 6 months or a year, but I am seeing it as a way to economize on my time. As it is, I only like to go running and lift weights. I'm a really boring asshole who does not like to drink and live the life of other foreigners here.I would certainly do it, I need to start looking for that myself. The problem with "freebies" is they want more and more. The problem with the working girls is, well, they are working girls. I don't mind a quick shag now and then, but to find a "hot" girl to service me, at my place, on a regular basis and leave when I wish to be alone sounds fantastic.
St Germain
07-25-06, 08:18
The question for you guys is: What are some things that I should consider in going into this "relationship"?
In my opinion, there is one red flag here. You say she is from the same city. I think you'd be a lot safer doing this arrangement with someone from out of town, preferably way out of town.
If she is from the same city, she probably has relatives in the area as well as a substantial social network. That means if things go sour, she will have more options available to make life hard for you. Imagine a few cousins coming over to beat you up or some random uncle who just happens to work for the local Gong An.
Of course everything has risks, I just think you'd be safer to stick with girls from out of town who have fewer options to get back at you.
I generally stay away from freebies & longer-term mistresses. Too much hassle. And if I do consider it, my first question is "Where are you from?" If she's from the same city I am in, then it's no deal. Paranoid? Probably. But safer.
My guess is she is going for the 2,000/month deal as a start and will then start asking for more once she is ensconced in your place.
I hope this thing works out for you.
well been there done that but i put a time limit on it. basically a real nice bbs girl here in shanghai that i visited a lot one night called and said can i come cook you dinner. i said what the hell come on over. not only did she cook dinner but she cleaned house and did my laundry. during all this i am on the sofa watching prison break and then she washes some grapes and gets me to lie my head on her lap while she peels grapes and feeds them to me. after that she makes the bed and we shag each other silly. anyways, later i asked about her living conditions and she told me she is living in a 350 rmb apartment. so what i did was give her rent money every month and then designated certain days for her to come over and i gave her 2000 rmb for 15 days of the month. she ended up staying over during that one week she couldn't work as well but i didn't mind that.
the whole point of this is that i made sure she had a place to go back to, had money for services rendered and told her up front that there is no love just lust. it lasted for three months before she left for another city and during the time she never asked me for anything else. of course i took her to dinner and bought her some clothes and jewlery but nothing significant. so make sure you write the rule book in advance and follow the contract to the t. just my two cents. cheers and good luck.
Cebu Local
07-25-06, 12:15
I have a prenuptial with my fiance which clearly spells out what are the consequences of early divorce,what she will recieve after each year of marraige etc,It is better to be very clear about financial matters when dealing with Chinese women.On a personal note 2000 RMB is a bargain .Go for it
Clandestine782
07-25-06, 19:12
But, it seems that this one fell through in record time.
She came to visit me and it seems that she wanted to do a lot less for the same amount of money. So, I just told her to keep on stepping.
It also seems that she didn't look quite as hot as she did the night that I had her. She was PANCAKED in makeup (you know how Chinese girls do this to try to look fair skinned).
Hi guys,
I'll be in China the whole month of august. I read some reports and it seems guys have no problem to bring a girl but the guys were at Shangri-La or similar, 5 stars hotels. I made a reservation at a 4 star hotel in Beijing but I also was thinking about going to a 3 star hotel to save some bucks. Could I have problems to bring girls ?
Thanks
Cebu Local
07-26-06, 00:22
Hi guys,
I'll be in China the whole month of august. I read some reports and it seems guys have no problem to bring a girl but the guys were at Shangri-La or similar, 5 stars hotels. I made a reservation at a 4 star hotel in Beijing but I also was thinking about going to a 3 star hotel to save some bucks. Could I have problems to bring girls ?
ThanksThe lower the star,The easier it is to bring girls in
CB is right about the lower the star, the more easier to bring a girl in and the higher the star, the more difficult to bring a girl in (the typical "no unregistered guest allowed" after 11:00 p.m.).
But on the other hand, it's safer staying at a higher star hotel. Almost all 4 stars+ hotels have their own safe box in the guest room. Better security system including closed circuit tv in the elevators.
I rather stay at a 4 stars and bring in a girl overnight right after dinner or hours before the 11:00 p.m. cutoff.
Even if you go to a KTV, go early at 8:00 p.m., when the most number of girls are there and bring the girl home by 9:30 p.m. If by then and while you're still at the KTV, the girl don't want to stay overnight, you still have time to select another girl.
Finally, how much valuable are you carrying? I feel much safer with my laptop in a 4+ star hotel. But then again, you can be robbed anywhere in China, in Asia or on earth.
Have fun and report back.
Bill
Hi guys,
I'll be in China the whole month of august. I read some reports and it seems guys have no problem to bring a girl but the guys were at Shangri-La or similar, 5 stars hotels. I made a reservation at a 4 star hotel in Beijing but I also was thinking about going to a 3 star hotel to save some bucks. Could I have problems to bring girls ?
Thanks
Clandestine,
It is an age old racket with these girls. They want to make sure they have study income coming in. It is easy to get suckered in.
I go to china about three to four times a year. Each time I stay a month or month and half. I met this hot 18 year old girl who I picked up in a KTV. To cut the story short she stayed with me the better part of that trip for which I paid 300 RMB per day. She did not go back to the KTV. When I asked her about it she said it is ok.
I had to make a trip on business during which time she kept on calling me asking me when I am coming back because she is getting bored and she misses me a lot. I told her she must be busy at work to which she replied she is not allowed in because she never showed up when I was there. she asked me if I wanted her to go back to KTV she will do that in another one.
I asked her what does she want to do, since I am not living in China. She said all I need to do is get an apartment for 1200 RMB and give her another 1000 RMB for food etc. In return She will make it a home for us when I am in town. I could easily afford it. We were looking around for apartment and then it was time for me to head back. She said she will keep on looking for the apartment.
I had given her 3000 RMB. But when I talked to her after a week of coming home she wanted more money. When I asked her what happened to the money I gave her she said she bought some clothes and such. I told her I am not going to send her money. When I called her after a week she had changed her colors and was really nasty to me. she blamed me for loosing her "well paying job ". I did not call her since.
All I am saying is tread carefully. It is easy to get them in but very very hard to get rid of them. Also I have heard sometimes they will file a police complaint against you if you try to get rid of them and not give enough money. i learned my lesson. Hereon my motto is use them and leave them.
i am going to be so blunt as to try and conclude this long stream of posts and please feel free to comment if you have different thoughts.
We have the forum and have read (hopefully) all the reports about Chinese KTV and BBS and Freebie girls. The collective wisdom here is enough that none of us should get screwed. We know the game and the thoughts going through their heads. We know they aren't planning on loving you or hitching on for life. They just want some change in their life from sitting on a damn sofa 12 hours a day waiting for guys to come and shag them. A stable shag friend also means that they have a stable income.
Also in general we have better living conditions than they have so they are more than happy. I know some girls that don't have a fridge and the toilet is a squat one (400 RMB a month). Sometimes I find we take for granted the fact that dollars are worth a lot more than RMB and we kinda look at it as a write off so in the end we lose money and get pissed off. Of course when we are drunk or infatuated usually the wrong head does the thinking but then again remember that there are so many of them that you could get laid every day till you die and not do them all.
I have met a lot of these girls and this whole BS about get me an apartment and make a home only works if you are around. Once you leave it becomes a shag pad for her old clients because I hate to say it we are not as crazy as some Chinese guys who buy apartments, cars, and jewlery for these girls just to make them happy (even then they screw around with young guys or have a bf).
It is important to keep them guessing about our intentions but at the same time remember their thought process. Poor family needs money and they don't care how they get it but it is nice to get it from a nice guy who is going to treat them right compared to drunk or drugged clients that could be a lot less nice than we are.
My general rule is if you have extra cash to blow make a game plan, find a girl that you like and then follow the plan. You get the play pen and then give her an ATM card with enough to keep her going(varies from girl to girl so negotiate). Never give them cash to take care of things. If you are out of town half expect them to go out and make extra so don't get pissed off. Remember she isn't your gf, she is a full time escort you have hired.
Of course this isn't always as easy as it seems because of emotions etc but if you have a good game plan going in your chances of doing well and not getting screwed go up. Trust me, I have had my share of live in girls and if you read the Shanghai board you will know why. Take it from a pimp. F**k, don't be f**ked.
Cheers
Cebu Local
07-26-06, 11:25
Whatever your relationship is with the Chinese Woman,Remember they are a pragmatic practical people.Make sure you cover your ass and the financial arrangements are crystal clear whether She is a mistress on allowance,A freebie or a Wife.I am getting married to somebody I love,But I have spent a lot of time and money covering myself with prenuptials to be registered in the PI,Canada and China.You have to realize that you are probably selected not because of your looks or personality But because of the economic status you have.I know the other suitors of my fiance were younger,better looking Chinese BUT I was a RICH CANADIAN NICE GUY.I am going in with no Illusions despite being in love with my eyes wide open.Just my 2 centavos opinion
OldAsiaHand
07-26-06, 14:51
Clandestine,
You sure get yourself into some very interesting situations. The numbers did not sound right to me from the start. IMHO, a hot KTV girl would never agree to fuck you everyday for 2,000 RMB per month. They can make way more than that at the KTV. Think about it. You paid her 800 LT for one night. I also do not believe what she told you about her expenses. She may have to give the mommy 200 RMB tops, but you can ask the resident KTV experts on this board i.e. Moody.
OAH
But, it seems that this one fell through in record time.
She came to visit me and it seems that she wanted to do a lot less for the same amount of money. So, I just told her to keep on stepping.
It also seems that she didn't look quite as hot as she did the night that I had her. She was PANCAKED in makeup (you know how Chinese girls do this to try to look fair skinned).
Albert Punter
07-26-06, 17:10
Found this ad in a website a few days ago:
How about a temporary relationship?
I'm a nice college girl in SH. I want an one-month relationship with u. your expected to teach me, a totally inexperienced girl some love and love making skills. u'd better have an athletic body, not bald, 25-35. For further info plz contact me by .................. @msn.com
Cee U guy!
I think you monger forgot the basic tenet of this operation. These girls that fuck for a living come from a desperate environment which breeds desperate tactics to survive or to sucker you. Hard to mixed emotions with the true sense of this age old business that they are plying and us seeking. mongers who are weak in emotion minds will get swallowed by their relentless tactics to milk you out of your money cause that is their sole purpose in this affair. They need money daily, you need to get off daily. Why would anyone want to make arrangement with one ***** when there are countless *****s in asian to be had limited to the amount of money, time and energy that you can play. You guys that play in china has a near sure pussies thing for a reasonable price to help you get off. I have yet to heard/read all the success stories of mongers marrying their *****s and live happinly everafter. I still waiting for those stories....
I've read the recent posts with some interest, and have one possible partial solution. Instead of accepting the current status quo (to summarize: girls who are by in large in need of money, many who behave badly to get it, boys who monger, and by in large would like good services), I propose a prize, if advertised and marketed correctly, could improve the whole situation for everybody. Let me explain.
Let's say members who could afford to contribute US$10-50 into a community pot, put together several tens or hundreds of dollars. This money would then be advertised by word of mouth into a city-wide (ie Shenzhen) contest for all the BBS, KTV, whatever girls to give better service, not rip anyone off, give GFE, give BBBJ, etc. Anyone that meets these criteria (and we can verify the great service by secretly testing them) is eligible to win the pot of money. In the end, the money is distributed amongst the several girls that provided the best service. A side-effect of the contest is that every girl that hears about it may try to work harder and be nicer. Any rip-off or scam would make them ineligible therefore possibly making at least one girl from doing so. We mongers benefit from the all around better service! Woohoo!
I for one am willing to put into this pot. I nominate OAH, Santa, Moody, or any number of long time steady (non-flamers) contributers as the arbiter of standards. In the end, this can be done by committee, and the occasional convention can be held to pick the winners! An additional benefit might be that we identify some of the greatest providers, and at the least have great sex. Now that isn't half bad.
Little bit idealistic, I know, but one possible idea that could help everybody. IMHO. I will be in SZN in August, I'd be happy to talk about it more then if the idea picks up. The democratic process and time will tell if this works.
Cheers
-M
Will you be adding a chat function into the ISG board like you did for the USA board?
This would be a very nice feature on the ISG board.
Bill
Yes, I think it is!
Some guys are looking for prostitutes, some are looking for easy freebies, others are looking for girlfriends or wives. "Men looking for sex" is not exclusively men looking for hookers.
Marriage is a frequent topic on the Thailand and Philippines threads and there's no better website for learning about the ways of asian women!
I have also learned a lot from this website.
And thank you DayNight for your many informative and interesting contributions.
China's estimated 50 million male bachelors.
I was watching a program on TV about all the single males in China. The numbers are going to get worst in the future. Many girls are stuck up, very materialistic and have less tradition Chinese values. Chinese girls today have so much freedom compared to just fifteen years ago. They can pick and chose because there are so many guys available. Because there is such a demand, many girls are kidnapped and sold as brides and prostitutes. Anyone interested in buying a wife for 600 British pounds. That's the going price. Well, I'm looking for a wife but the first step for me is to find a nice girl friend.
The program is called,"Looking for China Girls" from the BBC. It's being shown again later this month on linktv.org and you can watch it on your computer. There was a similar program from National Geographic called, "China's Lost Girls". The one from National Geographic is better done in my opinion.
http://www.linktv.org/programming/programDescription.php4?code=looking
Cebu Local
07-27-06, 00:44
. You guys that play in china has a near sure pussies thing for a reasonable price to help you get off. I have yet to heard/read all the success stories of mongers marrying their *****s and live happinly everafter. I still waiting for those stories....Whoa Buddy,Since when were all the Freebies Prostitutes??A lot of them are regular normal women,To cite an example one of AG sex freebies is now in Yale finishing her MBA and a Fudan graduate,My fiance graduated from a Canadian University UBC and is working in a high profile job that has her meeting people like Singapore Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew,Jacky Chan etc.Dont generalize
Ace Gallant
07-27-06, 00:56
Whoa Buddy,Since when were all the Freebies Prostitutes??A lot of them are regular normal women,To cite an example one of AG sex freebies is now in Yale finishing her MBA and a Fudan graduate,My fiance graduated from a Canadian University UBC and is working in a high profile job that has her meeting people like Singapore Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew,Jacky Chan etc.Dont generalize
Saw my name been mentioned.
Yes I agreed with CL, to generalized freebies as ***** is unfair to them. I heard this from some of the girls that I know: "If guys can monger, why it is that we can't?"
It's a modern world man.... girls are much more open than you thought but that doesn't means that they have sex with you because they have some other motive.
Sorry CL; need to correct this: Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew.
AG
Cebu Local
07-27-06, 01:04
Saw my name been mentioned.
Yes I agreed with CL, to generalized freebies as ***** is unfair to them. I heard this from some of the girls that I know: "If guys can monger, why it is that we can't?"
It's a modern world man.... girls are much more open than you thought but that doesn't means that they have sex with you because they have some other motive.
Sorry CL; need to correct this: Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew.
AGOK I stand corrected Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew has met my fiance along with ex-president Clinton.Girls also want to have fun.Sad to say many mainland males are not fun
Albert Punter
07-27-06, 12:32
Talking to friends last sunday, I have heard that proportion between males and females now in China is not natural: i.e. there are more men than women.
This is probably due to many girls killed as soon as born or before by abortion.
This situation is causing kidnapping also from nearby countries.
China's estimated 50 million male bachelors.
Albert Punter
07-27-06, 12:40
CL,
IMHO you got the point.
This is one of the reasons chinese girls like foreigners for fun (not necessarily for marriage, as discussed a few pages back) and we can score freebies easily.
Also, let's bear in mind that freebies are not necessarily w****s. Also, in the event working girls come with us as freebies, they cannot be considered as w****s in that moment.
Girls also want to have fun.Sad to say many mainland males are not fun
Albert Punter
07-27-06, 13:05
Manfest,
In theory it can be a good idea to motivate providers.
However, I believe it will be difficult to make it real on a large scale.
Following are some of my doubts:
- how many mongers will be willing to put money in the pot ?
- "advertising" such an award programme may cause troubles with authorities ?
- there too many providers in china ?
- judging panel ?
- judging rules ?
- etc.
You see, level of service it also depends on chemistry that creates between monger and provider .......
I've read the recent posts with some interest, and have one possible partial solution. Instead of accepting the current status quo (to summarize: girls who are by in large in need of money, many who behave badly to get it, boys who monger, and by in large would like good services), I propose a prize, if advertised and marketed correctly, could improve the whole situation for everybody. Let me explain.
Let's say members who could afford to contribute US$10-50 into a community pot, put together several tens or hundreds of dollars. This money would then be advertised by word of mouth into a city-wide (ie Shenzhen) contest for all the BBS, KTV, whatever girls to give better service, not rip anyone off, give GFE, give BBBJ, etc. Anyone that meets these criteria (and we can verify the great service by secretly testing them) is eligible to win the pot of money. In the end, the money is distributed amongst the several girls that provided the best service. A side-effect of the contest is that every girl that hears about it may try to work harder and be nicer. Any rip-off or scam would make them ineligible therefore possibly making at least one girl from doing so. We mongers benefit from the all around better service! Woohoo!
I for one am willing to put into this pot. I nominate OAH, Santa, Moody, or any number of long time steady (non-flamers) contributers as the arbiter of standards. In the end, this can be done by committee, and the occasional convention can be held to pick the winners! An additional benefit might be that we identify some of the greatest providers, and at the least have great sex. Now that isn't half bad.
Little bit idealistic, I know, but one possible idea that could help everybody. IMHO. I will be in SZN in August, I'd be happy to talk about it more then if the idea picks up. The democratic process and time will tell if this works.
Cheers
-M
In theory it can be a good idea to motivate providers.
It will be difficult to make it real on a large scale.
You see, level of service it also depends on chemistry that creates between monger and provider .......I agree with you on every point. Here are some possible solutions. Only volunteers can contribute money. Many on this board can spare $10-50, the question is will they. But even if the amounts are small in the beginning, it may be worthwhile for the girls.
I don't think we can advertise in the normal fashion, maybe just telling the mammas around town and the individual girls. Telling girls with great service that you will nominate them for this prize, and telling bad providers they will be disqualified, one-by-one. Also, if we bring the mamma into it, for example give the girl's mamma some of the prize, she will tell all of her girls to service better. These things sometimes build on themselves.
Perhaps judging could be after a girl is nominated twice by any monger on ISG. Two or three other mongers can secretly find her (another benefit might be that once nominated, they have to give cell numbers) and "test" her service. If all the judges agree, then she wins the prize. I suspect that after we hand out the prize several time, many (obviously not all) girls will hear about it. That is also why we should do a beta run in one city, then if it works, build it into more cities.
Anyway, I don't want to make this hobby into more work, but this could be an idea that a few people could make sex work better for everyone. Kind of like what Jackson is doing for all of us. Anyone interested can PM me, or post things that require public discussion. Again, if the idea picks up, I'm happy to personally contribute and discuss further. Otherwise, we can just get back to the business of mongering. I've certainly seen some useless things on the board, so hopefully nobody minds this stream of thinking.
-M
Gualtier Malde
07-27-06, 21:26
Cebu, buddy, how can I break the news to you gently... If your fiance has met with ex-president Clinton, man, I hate to tell you, but *she's no longer a virgin!*
Dude, I know you want to marry her, but you'll just have to look beyond this little indiscretion. Poor old Mr. Clinton ran the free world, but he can't seem to control little Willy.
:-)
David
OK I stand corrected Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew has met my fiance along with ex-president Clinton.Girls also want to have fun.Sad to say many mainland males are not fun
Ace Gallant
07-29-06, 02:29
Cebu, buddy, how can I break the news to you gently... If your fiance has met with ex-president Clinton, man, I hate to tell you, but *she's no longer a virgin!*
Dude, I know you want to marry her, but you'll just have to look beyond this little indiscretion. Poor old Mr. Clinton ran the free world, but he can't seem to control little Willy.
:-)
David
David,
Have I understood you or if I read your post correctly; You would only marry a girl if she is a Virgin?
If I have not understood you, than I do not agree with this. It take only 1 secs take a girl's cherry and every girl only have one. As many girls may not marry the first man they had sex with, it will be unfair to them if we only marry girls that are virgin.
In fact it will be a so wrong if we mongers go around taking Cherries of girls (knowingly or unknowingly) but only marry girls that are virgin.
Besides; it a free world, if men can have fun, why can't girls?
Just my POV
AG
AG, I think David was just crackong a Joke on good old Bill. It can't be anything else, can it?
Gualtier Malde
07-29-06, 04:51
AG, yes Tiger 1 is right. I was joking about the USA's former Monger In Chief, Bill Clinton. That man couldn't keep his little willy in his pants for 5 minutes at a stretch. Almost got kicked out of office for getting blowjobs while talking on the phone with foreign heads of state. I guess he had his own definition for "Head of State"...
He was also given a cigar that had been "pre-moistened" in the girl's twat first... That resulted in great sales for the cigar, ironically called the "Presidential"...
If you didn't live in the USA during that period, my joke may not have made much sense. Sorry about that. I was just teasing Cebu Local. I sure hope he got the joke! :-)
David
AG, I think David was just crackong a Joke on good old Bill. It can't be anything else, can it?
Ace Gallant
07-29-06, 08:27
AG, yes Tiger 1 is right. I was joking about the USA's former Monger In Chief, Bill Clinton. That man couldn't keep his little willy in his pants for 5 minutes at a stretch. Almost got kicked out of office for getting blowjobs while talking on the phone with foreign heads of state. I guess he had his own definition for "Head of State"...
He was also given a cigar that had been "pre-moistened" in the girl's twat first... That resulted in great sales for the cigar, ironically called the "Presidential"...
If you didn't live in the USA during that period, my joke may not have made much sense. Sorry about that. I was just teasing Cebu Local. I sure hope he got the joke! :-)
David
Yap, did not lived in USA during that period but I only heard about the Monica Lewinsky's Scandal will Bill.
The only thing I objected about is CL might be offended by the fact that you suggested that he is marrying someone that had lost the cherry to Bill.
AG
I think you are not 100% right. He got kicked out because he lied. If he had told them that it was none of their business, nothing should have happened. Anyway, He qualified as a real head, wheras his successor hardly qualifies as the hat he is supposed to be, and only as long as he doesn't open his mouth.
I think you are not 100% right. He got kicked out because he lied. If he had told them that it was none of their business, nothing should have happened. Anyway, He qualified as a real head, wheras his successor hardly qualifies as the hat he is supposed to be, and only as long as he doesn't open his mouth.
He didn't get kicked out..... US Presidents are limited to 2 terms each. Had he been allowed to run for President again, he probably would have won considering that the stick of wood known as Al Gore almost won it.
He didn't get kicked out..... US Presidents are limited to 2 terms each. Had he been allowed to run for President again, he probably would have won considering that the stick of wood known as Al Gore almost won it.Sorry, I missed the word almost. Of course I know what happened. Looking forward to see him back in the White House as the First Lady. That will be the first time of 4 periods of joint presidency in US History then.
Cebu Local
07-30-06, 00:46
Cebu, buddy, how can I break the news to you gently... If your fiance has met with ex-president Clinton, man, I hate to tell you, but *she's no longer a virgin!*
Dude, I know you want to marry her, but you'll just have to look beyond this little indiscretion. Poor old Mr. Clinton ran the free world, but he can't seem to control little Willy.
:-)
David
No problem,I know you were kidding,But She said the guy was lecherous.Since Hillary wasnt around in Shanghai,She suspects He had some very very discrete action de;livered to his hotel room.Cheers
Cebu Local
07-30-06, 00:49
Yap, did not lived in USA during that period but I only heard about the Monica Lewinsky's Scandal will Bill.
The only thing I objected about is CL might be offended by the fact that you suggested that he is marrying someone that had lost the cherry to Bill.
AGActually She lost her cherry to a boyfriend during her college days years ago in Canada.No problem,Since thats very normal,Now if it was in an MP or club........Thtats a different story
Oh well started out too late, would have been fun though. Anyways I agree with the boys earlier that freebies aren't all hoes. My last freebie is a Chinese girl who is an intern at a goveners office in the southern USA and has her MBA. She might be back in December which is fun.
As for the pot of money idea, for all saftey reasons don't do it. I don't have to elaborate as to what I do, read the Shanghai board to figure it out but in general no one would care about this pot. If they did the news would spread like wild fire and end up in a sting op to bust all of you. Please remember that many local play pens are owned by cops. I am sure AG can back me on this since he has lots of cop friends who have good information. Remember the old Chinese saying that people are afraid of being popular just as much as a pig is afraid of being fat. Please recall the Japanese incident in Nanjing. Just my 2 cents.
Cheers
Ace Gallant
07-30-06, 04:34
Oh well started out too late, would have been fun though. Anyways I agree with the boys earlier that freebies aren't all hoes. My last freebie is a Chinese girl who is an intern at a goveners office in the southern USA and has her MBA. She might be back in December which is fun.
As for the pot of money idea, for all saftey reasons don't do it. I don't have to elaborate as to what I do, read the Shanghai board to figure it out but in general no one would care about this pot. If they did the news would spread like wild fire and end up in a sting op to bust all of you. Please remember that many local play pens are owned by cops. I am sure AG can back me on this since he has lots of cop friends who have good information. Remember the old Chinese saying that people are afraid of being popular just as much as a pig is afraid of being fat. Please recall the Japanese incident in Nanjing. Just my 2 cents.
Cheers
Well Dragon,
In General the cops do not own these places, they basically get feed by owners of these places. Of course it is the big guys in police department that secretly own some bigger more prominent place like KTVs just to give an example: The one that starts with "P" and has many government officals entertaining "Guest" there, 200m away is the City's Police Headquaters, a 5 storey high building that 5 Aches of Land.... get the picture???
AG
Heya,
Well the big police own the bigger places I know. I just met a couple of cops through a friend that had opened their own place in the district that they watch over. Also local cops and store owners talk a lot between themselves and I have sat outside with the owners during a "raid" and smoked double happiness with them while cracking jokes about my weight. Fun at my expense, something about me turning girls into roadkill. Anyways, thats just what I have seen.
Cebu Local
07-30-06, 08:09
Heya,
Well the big police own the bigger places I know. I just met a couple of cops through a friend that had opened their own place in the district that they watch over. Also local cops and store owners talk a lot between themselves and I have sat outside with the owners during a "raid" and smoked double happiness with them while cracking jokes about my weight. Fun at my expense, something about me turning girls into roadkill. Anyways, thats just what I have seen.
HaHa,Thats a good one,Too much Japanese Buffets my friend.Ride em Cowgirl Yeehah........Cheers
Well Cebu I love food what can I say haha... but now that you mention it maybe we should start a new thread... places to eat before, during, and after mongering. I am sure many of us have had the late nite munchies when out on the town.
Cebu Local
07-30-06, 08:24
Well Cebu I love food what can I say haha... but now that you mention it maybe we should start a new thread... places to eat before, during, and after mongering. I am sure many of us have had the late nite munchies when out on the town.Thats a great idea,It could be under the General info thread,Such as where to get Late night munchies in SH or where to get the best burgers etc.
This is the second time this week that a seperate thread has been suggested for restaurants and bars.
Hey, those mongers gotta eat! They need pussy AND pizza.
Joke time: What's the difference between erotic sex and kinky sex?
Erotic sex is where you use a feather, kinky sex is where you use the whole chicken! :D
This is the second time this week that a seperate thread has been suggested for restaurants and bars.
Hey, mongers gotta eat! They need pussy AND pizza.When I was in SZ and GZ, I had major problems with eating, because although I could speak enough Chinese to get by, including ordering, I couldn't read Chinese, and very few places have menus in English.
Such information as suggested could say whether or not the place is western friendly in respect of language. Just a thought.
Ace Gallant
07-30-06, 11:22
Well Cebu I love food what can I say haha... but now that you mention it maybe we should start a new thread... places to eat before, during, and after mongering. I am sure many of us have had the late nite munchies when out on the town.
I also know of a few mongers that are Chef by professions, in fact some even write for on Food section in Magazines. It will be great to have them contribtue some very good information of restaurants and good food.
I had noticed that in mongering places in many cities there is always food nearby. And these are normally 24 hours restaurants. This prove something: Mongers love to eat. Also I know got to know many mongers and it seems that it is true that mongers love to eat too! Well, where else they can get enery for shagging the girls? I myself love good food and had learnt cooking from Chief Chef before. So I am in agreement that we should have a thread on food.
But Jackson might object to it because this forum is about mongering, IMHO: Since mongering and food is related in one way or another, than there is no harm having a separate thread on food.
AG
I typed in InternationalFoodGuide.com and .info. Result = Host unknown.
Anybody want to start a new website? :cool:
If I remember there is a food section on the Indonesian board. Shouldn't be a big deal to get it here. I think they just need some time to get around to our request.
Ace Gallant
07-31-06, 05:10
If I remember there is a food section on the Indonesian board. Shouldn't be a big deal to get it here. I think they just need some time to get around to our request.
Had already submitted an request to Jackson. I am sure it will get to his attention and if he find it is reasonable he will reply us.
AG
Albert Punter
07-31-06, 16:58
I see that in Indonesia there are two new threads started in May, for discussion about hotels and restaurants.
Yes, why not discussing about hotels and serviced apts. too ?
Why not discussing about souvenir shops or shopping centres too ?
Why not discussing about museums or parks too ?
I agree with all of you that for an effective mongering we need nourishment and sleeping and leisure.
However, isn't ISG "The Internet's largest SEX travel website" ?
So, I think that GENERAL travel information should be left out. They can be easily gathered from other sources.
Obviously restaurants, hotels, shopping centres, etc. can be mentioned in the appropriate threads whenever they are instrumental to other information we desire to share: like as an example, girl friendly hotels or shopping centres where you can hit freebies.
Ace Gallant
08-01-06, 04:51
I just want to get fellow members opinions about marrying a ex-pro.
What you think?
I have both negative and positive cases from my friends in Japan who married Pros but I'll like frank opinions here. Mainly this is because I get so many friends (Includes PMs) asking me this question.
I don't know.. because although I was married twice; I never married a Pros yet...
AG
Ace Gallant
08-01-06, 04:57
I see that in Indonesia there are two new threads started in May, for discussion about hotels and restaurants.
Yes, why not discussing about hotels and serviced apts. too ?
Why not discussing about souvenir shops or shopping centres too ?
Why not discussing about museums or parks too ?
I agree with all of you that for an effective mongering we need nourishment and sleeping and leisure.
However, isn't ISG "The Internet's largest SEX travel website" ?
So, I think that GENERAL travel information should be left out. They can be easily gathered from other sources.
Obviously restaurants, hotels, shopping centres, etc. can be mentioned in the appropriate threads whenever they are instrumental to other information we desire to share: like as an example, girl friendly hotels or shopping centres where you can hit freebies.
Actually that what the General Information Thread is for; Posting information related to Mongering. But if there are extra volume for a certain topic, like this case, food; I am sure Jackson will back us up.
AG
OldAsiaHand
08-01-06, 15:48
AG,
I always like to quote this when asked for my opinion on this subject:
"You can take a girl out of a bar but, you cannot take the bar out of the girl"
I've only seen a couple exceptions over all the years I've been in this part of the world.
Just my POV.
OAH
I just want to get fellow members opinions about marrying a ex-pro.
What you think?
I have both negative and positive cases from my friends in Japan who married Pros but I'll like frank opinions here. Mainly this is because I get so many friends (Includes PMs) asking me this question.
I don't know.. because although I was married twice; I never married a Pros yet...
AG
Ace Gallant
08-01-06, 16:18
I just want to get fellow members opinions about marrying a ex-pro.
What you think?
I have both negative and positive cases from my friends in Japan who married Pros but I'll like frank opinions here. Mainly this is because I get so many friends (Includes PMs) asking me this question.
I don't know.. because although I was married twice; I never married a Pros yet...
AG
Sorry, I have to quote myself;
Just to clarify; I am asking for Opinion because there are a few PMs and some friend who are asking me this questions. I am not the person who is going to marry a Pros. I am just asking so that I can get a better answer for these guys.
On the sides: I don't know why, do I look like a marriage counsellor? I know I have a lot of posting but that does not make me an expert. Having two failed marriage I don’t think I even qualify hehehe
Thanks for all your opinions, they are very valuable and please keep them coming!
AG
Member #2041
08-01-06, 17:20
I just want to get fellow members opinions about marrying a ex-pro.
What you think?
I think that the rub will be making sure she's an EX-pro, rather than a pro with one client with whom to maximize her cash flow.
I would say that the odds are strongly stacked against a good outcome. But that's not to say it's impossible, to find a very special lady who is the needle in the haystack. Just extremely unlikely.
For those of you who are seriously wishing to get married, may I suggest searching for a compatible wife at blossoms.com
You just might find the apple of your eye!
Our fellow member Szexpat runs the Cherry Blossoms website out of Shenzhen.
Try sending him a PM. Tell him Santa sent ya! :)
Gualtier Malde
08-02-06, 06:41
Gregory the Great (540-605AD) created the famous list of man's shortcomings (the seven deadly sins): pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, anger and sloth.
As mongers, of course we pride ourselves in an enviable gluttony of lust, and experience greed sometimes approaching anger if another guy steals away our favorite ho. Some of us relish the slothful environments of a favored BBS.
So, aside from lust, which is your favorite shortcoming?
:-)
David
Gregory the Great (540-605AD) created the famous list of man's shortcomings (the seven deadly sins): pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, anger and sloth.
As mongers, of course we pride ourselves in an enviable gluttony of lust, and experience greed sometimes approaching anger if another guy steals away our favorite ho. Some of us relish the slothful environments of a favored BBS.
So, aside from lust, which is your favorite shortcoming?
:-)
David
Thank you David for the history lesson. I'm sure Pope Gregory would be proud to know he was quoted on such a prestigious forum.
My favourite deadly sin is number 8. Vulgarity! Such as fuck, cock and ****. Maybe Greg led a sheltered life and didn't know about that sin.:D
Check out posts by Rubber Nursey in the Opinions & Editorials > Opinions forum.
Alex,
First things first... "How would a working girl in her situation THINK about her boyfriend, if she didn't want to give up the money of her job?"
Working girls think of their boyfriends like any other girl thinks of their boyfriend - they love them. Your girlfriend was telling you the absolute truth. Sex with your boyfriend is VERY different to sex with a client. It's really hard to explain (I've tried it many times over the years in this thread) but when you work, it's like it's not actually you doing it. It's a whole other woman...your working persona.
I guess the closest thing I can think of to compare it to (and it's not really very close, I'm sorry) would be if you were a Gynocologist. You would spend every day with your head between women's legs and your fingers and hands inside their vaginas. You wouldn't feel any sexual excitement - every time it would be just another patient with just another pussy. But I'm sure Gynos don't feel the same way when they get a woman in their bed! They touch their patient's vaginas as a doctor and their partner's vagina as a lover. Does that make any sense? A working girl touches her clients as a professional sex worker - but she touches her partner as a lover.
That doesn't mean she doesn't ENJOY the sex with her clients though...and that's where your next question comes in, that there is really no simple answer for. Yes, when she's enjoying sex with her client, in HER mind it's her work persona having the fun. It's not her. It has no impact on her, emotionally. Her work persona may be having a great time, but the 'real' her is hiding deep inside and has absolutely nothing to do with what's going on. (Again, I know that sounds ridiculous, but it's really hard to describe what goes on in your mind in that situation and that's the nearest I can get!)
Thing is though - in YOUR mind, she is still having sex with another man. And she is, simple as that. The jealousy and fear and anger you feel about that, is TOTALLY VALID. That's why most sex workers either stay single or don't tell their partners what they do for a living. In our heads, we feel we're not doing anything 'wrong' for our relationship. We don't class it as infidelity because we know that there is no emotion involved, like there would be in an affair. As silly as it sounds, a hooker with a partner could have sex with five men a day at work and feel nothing- but if she went to a party OUTSIDE of work and fooled around with someone else, she'd be consumed with guilt for being unfaithful to her partner.
But that doesn't make it any easier on you, as her partner. You don't see her work persona performing a service for a living - you see your girlfriend having sex with strangers. It takes a certain kind of person, and a certain kind of relationship, to deal with that situation. Don't feel bad if you can't live with it - the majority of men couldn't. I can't tell you whether you should be with her or not. That's something only YOU can decide. But be honest with yourself...it WILL bother you. You WILL have trouble dealing with your feelings and there is a very good chance that you could become bitter towards her because of it. If you feel really strongly about the relationship and want to try again, then TALK to her about the way you feel...but don't try and make her quit. This is her income we're talking about, not some promiscuous lifestyle that she should give up to settle down. Eventually it will come down to one of you making a huge sacrifice - either she stops working, or you learn to live with your girlfriend being with other men. It CAN work, but it's a tough one and I wish you the very best of luck. x
Had an interesting experience while in Shanghai and was wondering if it wasn't part of a larger scam. But perhaps I'm just too paranoid.
Not actively pursuing any offers at Malone's one night, I left to check out some jazz at the Cotton Club. Before getting into a cab, a very attractive woman appeared out of nowhere to offer me a massage. She looked like a classic beauty out of a 1930s Chinese film, so I took up the offer much out of curiousity. After getting to my room, I was completely blown away by her body. She was also very patient and we talked quite a bit, which I appreciated a lot.
In any case, only later did I start thinking about a few things that happened that were rather strange. First I remember that she positioned her cell phone very meticulously on top of my suitcase near the bed. Later she tried calling me several times, including one night at 2 or 3 AM (it was not easy explaining that to a female friend in my room at the time). The day I left Shanghai I called her back and learned that she wanted to become my penpal, claiming that she can't use the internet. Hard to believe that. At the time I didn't think much of it, but later thought that perhaps she stealthily recorded our assignation with her cell phone and perhaps wanted my address to extract some more money out of me.
Has anyone heard of any blackmailing going on? Naturally I won't pass along my address and would like to think otherwise since she was rather nice. It was me, too, that asked first for her cell number.
Any thoughts?
Gualtier Malde
08-04-06, 05:29
Kinda doubt it. But in the internet age who wants a penpal anyway? Since she has your phone number, tell her to send you an SMS if she needs to chat.
David
Had an interesting experience while in Shanghai and was wondering if it wasn't part of a larger scam. But perhaps I'm just too paranoid.
Not actively pursuing any offers at Malone's one night, I left to check out some jazz at the Cotton Club. Before getting into a cab, a very attractive woman appeared out of nowhere to offer me a massage. She looked like a classic beauty out of a 1930s Chinese film, so I took up the offer much out of curiousity. After getting to my room, I was completely blown away by her body. She was also very patient and we talked quite a bit, which I appreciated a lot.
In any case, only later did I start thinking about a few things that happened that were rather strange. First I remember that she positioned her cell phone very meticulously on top of my suitcase near the bed. Later she tried calling me several times, including one night at 2 or 3 AM (it was not easy explaining that to a female friend in my room at the time). The day I left Shanghai I called her back and learned that she wanted to become my penpal, claiming that she can't use the internet. Hard to believe that. At the time I didn't think much of it, but later thought that perhaps she stealthily recorded our assignation with her cell phone and perhaps wanted my address to extract some more money out of me.
Has anyone heard of any blackmailing going on? Naturally I won't pass along my address and would like to think otherwise since she was rather nice. It was me, too, that asked first for her cell number.
Any thoughts?
....perhaps she stealthily recorded our assignation with her cell phone and perhaps wanted my address to extract some more money out of me.
Has anyone heard of any blackmailing going on?
Sounds very very plausible. That's why she needs your address. Always hide your identity as good as possible.
But i would love to screen her cell phone. She probably has already a larger video collection then sugar baba.
On the photo thread, Erik posted pics of a 'Wa' girl and mentioned her black boobs. This girl does indeed look very dark skinned. I did a quick bit of net searching but couldn't find a lot of useful stuff about the Wa people, except the run of the mill stats etc.
Question: Are they really very dark skinned, almost black, or is it like that Mongolian, Inuit, sort of colour?
Bearing in mind what Erik said about her face, and members like Clandestine's experiences, are the Chinese really that biased against their own people on the basis of their skin colour (color for the USA people!)?
I'd be interested to know a bit more about this. Also, I know we shouldn't stereotype and all that but I have had two black girls- Australian Aboriginal 1/2-1/4 caste, and they were the most incredible fucks I have had. There is something about white skin on black skin that is just so horny!
Has anyone any comment on such dark skinned Chinese girls such as those from the Wa background?
Thanks
Clandestine782
08-06-06, 16:29
It has occurred to me that there is no sense in trying to be ethical since no one else in China is worried about that.
Also, I happen to work at a university where there are a lot of moist, young opportunities.
I've no objections to taking someone out of my classes and into the bedroom, but I know that this must be carefully done.
For you guys that are teaching here: Any suggestions on how to do this and do it right?
Harmsuploe
08-06-06, 17:09
It has occurred to me that there is no sense in trying to be ethical since no one else in China is worried about that.
Also, I happen to work at a university where there are a lot of moist, young opportunities.
I've no objections to taking someone out of my classes and into the bedroom, but I know that this must be carefully done.
For you guys that are teaching here: Any suggestions on how to do this and do it right?I would advise you never to mix work with pleasure, especially in your position. It would be disastrous.
Ace Gallant
08-06-06, 17:44
It has occurred to me that there is no sense in trying to be ethical since no one else in China is worried about that.
Also, I happen to work at a university where there are a lot of moist, young opportunities.
I've no objections to taking someone out of my classes and into the bedroom, but I know that this must be carefully done.
For you guys that are teaching here: Any suggestions on how to do this and do it right?
Rule of Thumb: Never shit around where you eat.
You are looking for trouble that may cost you your job and a permantant deportation out of China.
AG
Ace Gallant
08-06-06, 17:47
Had an interesting experience while in Shanghai and was wondering if it wasn't part of a larger scam. But perhaps I'm just too paranoid.
Not actively pursuing any offers at Malone's one night, I left to check out some jazz at the Cotton Club. Before getting into a cab, a very attractive woman appeared out of nowhere to offer me a massage. She looked like a classic beauty out of a 1930s Chinese film, so I took up the offer much out of curiousity. After getting to my room, I was completely blown away by her body. She was also very patient and we talked quite a bit, which I appreciated a lot.
In any case, only later did I start thinking about a few things that happened that were rather strange. First I remember that she positioned her cell phone very meticulously on top of my suitcase near the bed. Later she tried calling me several times, including one night at 2 or 3 AM (it was not easy explaining that to a female friend in my room at the time). The day I left Shanghai I called her back and learned that she wanted to become my penpal, claiming that she can't use the internet. Hard to believe that. At the time I didn't think much of it, but later thought that perhaps she stealthily recorded our assignation with her cell phone and perhaps wanted my address to extract some more money out of me.
Has anyone heard of any blackmailing going on? Naturally I won't pass along my address and would like to think otherwise since she was rather nice. It was me, too, that asked first for her cell number.
Any thoughts?
Blackmail is always one of the biggest crime in China. Be very careful about revealing your real identity to hookers like this one.
AG
Blackmail is always one of the biggest crime in China. Be very careful about revealing your real identity to hookers like this one.
AGI'm always careful about concealing my identity, though I may have mentioned my line of work and nationality. Claiming not to have an email account (twice, the night of and later during a phone call) is what got me thinking something strange was up.
Sounds very very plausible. That's why she needs your address. Always hide your identity as good as possible.
But i would love to screen her cell phone. She probably has already a larger video collection then sugar baba.Well, I can give you her cell number if you really want to screen her phone!How does videophone technology work? Stream to computer? Compressed images saved to phone?
Now I'm getting a bit worried. Would the hotel release my personal information if palms were greased? Not in the country any longer, but that may not matter either. That's why I raised the question in the first place. Too many things seemed a bit strange (cell phone out; calls late at night; no haggling; wanting a physical address to be "penpals"). Paranoia? Proper caution? All of the above?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Clandestine782]It has occurred to me that there is no sense in trying to be ethical since no one else in China is worried about that. End QUOTE.
Clandestine, you are generalizing. This chinese person is not worried about ethics, that one is not worried, and that one too is not worried. Therefore, they are ALL unethical.
The defense that "everybody else does it" can get us into a lot of trouble sometimes.
My advice? Don't get caught!
Gualtier Malde
08-07-06, 01:46
I still think that it is a remote possibility at best, AKA Man. When you said she "carefully placed her cell phone on your luggage" just what did you mean? Did she stand it up on end, so that the video camera was pointing at you? Did she have it on a tripod?
Most of these phone cams, even if they could capture something, would only capture a short amount of time before filling their internal memory. I know of no phone based cam that can stream for, say, 30 minutes even.
I think if she were going to blackmail you you'd have felt the pinch by now. Like I said before, I'd ignore her request for your address. I would not worry about her getting it from the hotel. I think you are spinning yourself deep into an unnecessary fit of paranoia.
If you are really want to see what she does, go out, open a post office box, and give that as your address. But I think you should just not give her an address, and not worry about it.
David
Well, I can give you her cell number if you really want to screen her phone!How does videophone technology work? Stream to computer? Compressed images saved to phone?
Now I'm getting a bit worried. Would the hotel release my personal information if palms were greased? Not in the country any longer, but that may not matter either. That's why I raised the question in the first place. Too many things seemed a bit strange (cell phone out; calls late at night; no haggling; wanting a physical address to be "penpals"). Paranoia? Proper caution? All of the above?
Thanks.
I still think that it is a remote possibility at best, AKA Man. When you said she "carefully placed her cell phone on your luggage" just what did you mean? Did she stand it up on end, so that the video camera was pointing at you? Did she have it on a tripod?
Most of these phone cams, even if they could capture something, would only capture a short amount of time before filling their internal memory. I know of no phone based cam that can stream for, say, 30 minutes even.
I think if she were going to blackmail you you'd have felt the pinch by now. Like I said before, I'd ignore her request for your address. I would not worry about her getting it from the hotel. I think you are spinning yourself deep into an unnecessary fit of paranoia.
If you are really want to see what she does, go out, open a post office box, and give that as your address. But I think you should just not give her an address, and not worry about it.
DavidHaha. Thanks for your reply David. I must look rather foolish. As you can tell, I'm a neophyte at all this. I would not give out my address to anyone, of course--especially after being the victim of ID theft last year.
Now if her phone had been on a tripod, yes, that would have set off some alarms on the spot. It's really the request for the physical address and repeated phone calls that started to arouse my suspicion. In retrospect, she seemed as green as me; asking if I had a condom, not haggling over price at all, hanging out and chatting instead of rushing me, telling me her life story, the whole flapper like act.
I actually enjoyed her company as well as her incredible physique. She had the best body I've ever seen live. So the sublime quality of her body had me in such awe that I enjoyed appeciating the aesthetic quality of her shape more than the carnal desire it should have aroused. Foolish you may say.
Cheers.
hi guys. I am a complete newbie to mongering, in China anyway. Sorry if this is in the wrong section, I'm just after some very basic info. What exactly is a sauna here? For example, I know my 3 star hotel in Hangzhou has a sauna, what does this mean? Is it a place I choose a girl? What's a reasonable fee for bringing her back to my room for sex? I'm sure this is answered many times before somewhere, but this computer and the heat is killing me! If nobody can answer, could someone point me in the right direction where to find out? Also I've never been to a ktv, I'm assuming this is the karaoke bar. I've been told that basically you go in, choose a girl (s) and they do whatever you want? Finally, anyone know good bar area in Hangzhou? Cheers for all help provided!
Suggest you browse the China forums for 5-10 minutes you'll get the idea. Most regular mongers prefer to swap info on new places rather than give infor to newbies.
Almost all hotels in China have Sauna/Massage and hairdressers that providemassage and other services in their place or in your room. Ask - they
ll tell you. Don't be shy at all to ask for what you want. No-one knows you.
If you ask the hotel Sauna or KTV to send girls to your room and they speak good enough English ask for 2 girls, then choose the one you prefer.
In most places, they don't want you to choose, but some will. Always ask for what you want. Tall, big tits, new, etc.
If you want choice go to the KTV in the hotel. The mamasans will bring several girls either one at a time or in groups for you to choose from.
The big KTV's in hotels or attached to hotels will have bars with working girls sitting there. Don't be shy to go and ask if you can chat for a while. They're all working girls and often think foreigners don't know the rules. If you take a girls time for say an hour drinking, you are supposed to pay a tip of 100-300RMB depending on the class of the place. It's best to choose the best looking girl then get her to agree to come to your room for an agreed price as soon as you can.
Walk out of your hotel and find a barber shop with girls sitting in the entrance. This is the "cheap end".
Get in a taxi and ask the driver for a Sauna "Sangna" or Nightclub "Yezonghui". See if you like the look of the place.
Some guys like different girls every day, but I'd suggest if you find one you like, ask her to take you round town and tell you the best places. Some girls will take you to their places.
Best yet, check out what the local mongers recommend on these pages.
Traveler1234
08-07-06, 15:59
It has occurred to me that there is no sense in trying to be ethical since no one else in China is worried about that.
Also, I happen to work at a university where there are a lot of moist, young opportunities.
I've no objections to taking someone out of my classes and into the bedroom, but I know that this must be carefully done.
For you guys that are teaching here: Any suggestions on how to do this and do it right?
A bunch of us on the LOS thread talked about this back in June.
In the US, there is a strict code of ethics re teacher/student relationship. Although we all know many break it, eg grad students and their professors hooking up, it should be noted that a foreign teacher in an Asia country (be it China,Thailand or whereever, and whether he be white or black or yellow) commands a great deal of respect, and is granted tremendous implicit and explicit authority.
Most of the people I know in the educational sector in Asia are more respectfully of this code than they would be in the states. The students in Asia, are usually less (but not always) sophisticated, etc.
IMHO, you're abusing your position and treading in dangerous water.....you might not agree but I think the general concensus is it will come back to bite you.
Clandestine782
08-07-06, 17:30
Oh God, just forget it. I feel like I'm being spoken to by Billy Graham. I don't know what you're talking about about Western teachers being accorded respect, but from where I'm sitting (not as the teacher, but as a witness to other teachers) it seems like foreigners here put on the same monkey suit as they do in Japan or Korea.
I should have been more clear in my meaning. The idea was: I know that is it verboten to take students off the university campus, but I was thinking that I was going to have to resort to that.
Just now, I've been working on a plan to take one of these barbershop girls off the street and put her in my apartment (posing as a fiancee) in order to save the time that would be wasted chasing a woman and dealing with the melodrama of a relationship.
In fact, why don't we change the topic to how to accomplish this.......?
When I lived in Hunan province, the girls there did not make that much money working in barbershops. (I don't want to call them that, because they were out in the countryside.) One girl that I was absolutely in love with (as much as I CAN be, given my severe emotional scarring) said that she might have one customer per day if she was lucky. One the basis of that many, I calculated that she would make about 2,000-2,500 per month after the house took their cut. It would be a piece of cake to pay that much. Actually, I was getting "it" for 1,000RMB/ month from a girlfriend that I had at the time.
What I have been unable to figure out is how I would speak to a mamasan and "make friends" with them so that they might steer such a girl my way. The only thing I can think of is going back to Hunan (to the same place) and talking to a couple of girls that I used to use there and seeing if they would like such an arrangement. (One of them had been in the business for 6 months and was in a relationship for 4 years and had left it with a very bad taste in her mouth for the local men.) The only thing I risk is that they would say "No" and I would be out of travel costs.
There must be a more efficient way to do this. The girl does not need to be the best looking ("You're not looking at the mantlepiece when you're poking the fire.")
Juno Audio
08-07-06, 17:41
It has occurred to me that there is no sense in trying to be ethical since no one else in China is worried about that.
Also, I happen to work at a university where there are a lot of moist, young opportunities.
I've no objections to taking someone out of my classes and into the bedroom, but I know that this must be carefully done.
For you guys that are teaching here: Any suggestions on how to do this and do it right?
Clandestine, you can't do it right because its not the right thing to do!
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What I have been unable to figure out is how I would speak to a mamasan and "make friends" with them so that they might steer such a girl my way. The only thing I can think of is going back to Hunan (to the same place) and talking to a couple of girls that I used to use there and seeing if they would like such an arrangement. (One of them had been in the business for 6 months and was in a relationship for 4 years and had left it with a very bad taste in her mouth for the local men.) The only thing I risk is that they would say "No" and I would be out of travel costs.
There must be a more efficient way to do this. The girl does not need to be the best looking ("You're not looking at the mantlepiece when you're poking the fire.")[/QUOTE]
I would not recommend talking to the mamason because they would want to take their cut or have the girl ask for the moon then give them part of their cut as being the broker.
What I would do is find the girls at your local BBS, then when you are alone with the girl after doing the deed, ask her if she or her friends would be interested. I think this would be the better way since you would get to know the girl a little bit (also she would get you know you) then she might be more interested. Just my opinion.
Oh God, just forget it. I feel like I'm being spoken to by Billy Graham.
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Fill in the blank.
If you ask a ****** question you will get a stupid answer.
You aren't French by any chance? And her name wasn't Song Liling was it?
If not, then I'd say there was a 10% chance that she was really into "your" incredible phsique...
P.S. And are you really sure she was a she?
I actually enjoyed her company as well as her incredible physique. She had the best body I've ever seen live. So the sublime quality of her body had me in such awe that I enjoyed appeciating the aesthetic quality of her shape more than the carnal desire it should have aroused. Foolish you may say.
Cheers.
You aren't French by any chance? And her name wasn't Song Liling was it?
If not, then I'd say there was a 10% chance that she was really into "your" incredible phsique.
P.S. And are you really sure she was a she?No, not French; just a hapless romantic. Name given was Zhou Ling.
Not into my body at all (she told me to lose a little weight).
100% woman, I'm sure.
Why do you ask, mon ami?
Superforce99
08-11-06, 02:26
Check out this story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060810/ap_on_re_us/human_trafficking
Phantomtiger2
08-11-06, 19:09
Check out this story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060810/ap_on_re_us/human_trafficking
Wouldn't worry too much about that as its a small % that gets caught anyway, so always a chance to find action. With bad news -Many will just move locations--usually just down the street.
If all else fails, take a short drive across the border into Vancouver, Canada as crackdown on mongering do not exist -unlike in the US.
Note: Both Seattle and Vancouver are not cheap mongering places (as bros from China and LOS are use to US $15-$40 bonks--Bare minimum for Sea. and Vanc. for FS hovers around $100 and over. Just to let you know ahead of time so you wont get sticker shock upon arrival--ha ha
Later Johnny.
PT
Before I went to China, advice was to keep receipts of all currency transactions because it could be difficult to convert RMB back into other currencies.
Can you tell me if Chinese citizens/permenant residents face similar problems or can they freely exchange their RMB?
Thanks.
Superforce99
08-14-06, 05:24
Before I went to China, advice was to keep receipts of all currency transactions because it could be difficult to convert RMB back into other currencies.
Can you tell me if Chinese citizens/permenant residents face similar problems or can they freely exchange their RMB?
Thanks.
I'm not sure what the policy is now for travellers, but since the Chinese
government loosened monetary policies earlier this year, there are about a
dozen "money kiosk" type places in Shenzhen now where anybody can go
and convert foreign currency into RMB and vice versa, and only large amounts
over 10,000 RMB require an ID. It's changed the black market for money in
Shenzhen a lot since touts no longer pester travellers to change USD/HKD
into RMB around Luo Hu train station anymore (well, none that I can see or
solicit me anyway). Overall, the Chinese government is allowing several
billion USD worth of RMB to converted in this manner and it's a first step in
trying to freely float the RMB.
The easiest location is to your immediate left after you pass the x-ray
machine on the SZ side of the HK-SZ border. It is a China Construction Bank
desk manned by a bunch of cute girls with passable English skills. You can
just give them HKD/USD/foreign currencies and they will immediately convert
to RMB with no questions. Rates fluctuate day to day, but it's about 101 RMB
to 100 HKD net from these money kiosks. There's another one next to the
HSBC branch at Sai Ge computer market on Huacheng Road.
And sorry if I wasn't clear earlier, but yes, you can convert RMB to foreign
currencies without any reciepts. Just need your ID if the amount will be
higher than the equivalent of 10,000 RMB but even then, there's no hassle.
Have exchanged 85,000 RMB to USD without problems but I had to
schedule a later transaction time as there wasn't enough physical USD.
There is usually about physical supply of 500,000 RMB in the kiosks so they
can handle large coversions into RMB though.
J
Travel Dog
08-14-06, 09:09
Pete
You have some old info. In China it is easy to change under $1000 USD worth of major currencies into RMB. Just change what you plan on spending while in China into RMB. Don't bring lots of RMB back from China because that's when you might have trouble converting back. Although now in Hong Kong and Macau you can change back easily.
TD
Pete
You have some old info. In China it is easy to change under $1000 USD worth of major currencies into RMB. Just change what you plan on spending while in China into RMB. Don't bring lots of RMB back from China because that's when you might have trouble converting back. Although now in Hong Kong and Macau you can change back easily.
TD
It is easy to change from US$ --> RMB. Just about any hotel will do it for you, as well as any friendship store. None of these locations will convert your RMB back to US$. The only place that I am aware of here in North China that RMB can be converted back to US$ is at the airport when you are exiting the country. It can also be done outside of China, but typically at a must worse rate, and you will pay a transaction fee.
The best thing to do is to keep all of your currency exchange receipts. These receipts will have the rate on it which was used to convert your US$ to RMB. When you leave the country you show this receipt at the Bank of China branch in the airport. They will then convert your RMB back to US$ using the same rate which was used when converting to RMB.
One thing I am have always wondered about - if I pull money from my US bank account in RMB using a Chinese ATM, can I use that ATM receipt to convert RMB back to US$ at the airport? Probably not, so extra care should be taken when withdrawling money from an ATM as you probably cannot get it converted back to your home currency.
Good Luck!
Sammy
Thanks guys. The reason I asked was because I am trying to get my Chinese penfriend across to Australia and wondered how she could changer her RMB into Singapore and Aussie dollars. Now I have the answers, thanks. The only problems I have to overcome now are the visas, the Aussie one will be a pain and maybe achievable, the Singapore one may be impossible unless they retain the VFTF scheme in Singapore. It pisses me off that so many countries are so paranoid about Chinese citizens wanting to go AWOL whilst abroad so they make it hard to get a visa, but that isn't a discusion for this board.
Thanks once again everyone for your advice, it is much appreciated.
Pete
Cebu Local
08-15-06, 01:37
Thanks guys. The reason I asked was because I am trying to get my Chinese penfriend across to Australia and wondered how she could changer her RMB into Singapore and Aussie dollars. Now I have the answers, thanks. The only problems I have to overcome now are the visas, the Aussie one will be a pain and maybe achievable, the Singapore one may be impossible unless they retain the VFTF scheme in Singapore. It pisses me off that so many countries are so paranoid about Chinese citizens wanting to go AWOL whilst abroad so they make it hard to get a visa, but that isn't a discusion for this board.
Thanks once again everyone for your advice, it is much appreciated.
PeteI just read in todays TTG Asia Which is a Travel Trade Newspaper that Singapore and Malaysia have Tightened up on FIT or Individual Traveler visas for China,They will now be required to submit Certificates of Bank Deposit of money left behind in China.May I suggest that you meet her in Thailand or the Philippines which have more liberal attitudes towards FIT Chinese Visitors.Cheers
I just read in todays TTG Asia Which is a Travel Trade Newspaper that Singapore and Malaysia have Tightened up on FIT or Individual Traveler visas for China,They will now be required to submit Certificates of Bank Deposit of money left behind in China.May I suggest that you meet her in Thailand or the Philippines which have more liberal attitudes towards FIT Chinese Visitors.CheersYou may not believe this, but I am actually not going to be shagging this girl!
I know we have all shagged girls young enough to be our daughters, and she is, and she is a cutie and a sweetie and I think of her as a daughter! I really, honestly want her to come to see me in Australia so she can enhance her English skills and get a better job when she gets back to China. So I ( and my wife!) have invited her to stay with us in Australia, at our expense. Yeah, I know I may be a bit FITH ( fucked in the head), but in my middle age I have discovered that I have a heart! Some mongers may want to help Chinese girls by setting them up with appartments etc, I want to set my 'daughter' up by giving her the opportunity to be immersed in English for 3 months.
As I said before, authorities seem to think that every PRC citizen wants to do a runner. I have about 7 young Chinese penfriends and all of them want to stay in China and do the right thing by their families. Fair enough, once here (Aus), or some other country, thye may realise what they are missing, but like the old addage, adapted, says, you can take the girl out of China, but you can't take China out of the girl!
I just wish these idiots in the immigration departments could see past their stereotyping. I have contacted them and even offered bonds, but they still say that she has to be able to prove that she will return to China, and is only visiting that country for...reason. Just how in the name of fuck can someone prove something intangible like coming to stay with a family to learn English? It is really fucking me off now actually. I know I shouldn't be racist, or ethnicist ( is that a word?) here, but there are plenty of countries in the world who Singapore and Australia grant visas to, who are a hell of a lot more dodgy than China! Ask anyone in Australia or the UK, or I would imagine anywhere else, how much trouble they have with Chinese overstayers, or Chinese families causing riots. Not much I would think.
Sorry, I am on my high horse here, and frustrated with government red tape, I'll not take up any more space on this forum- but I would still appreciate advice from any members who know ways of doing things!
Pete
Petemcc,
I just had a relative, who was able to get a Visa to go to Australia for 1 month. They live in Shanghai so it might be easier to get the visa but I'm not sure if this is true. PM so we don't waste space.
You may not believe this, but I am actually not going to be shagging this girl!
I know we have all shagged girls young enough to be our daughters, and she is, and she is a cutie and a sweetie and I think of her as a daughter! I really, honestly want her to come to see me in Australia so she can enhance her English skills and get a better job when she gets back to China. So I ( and my wife!) have invited her to stay with us in Australia, at our expense. Yeah, I know I may be a bit FITH ( fucked in the head), but in my middle age I have discovered that I have a heart! Some mongers may want to help Chinese girls by setting them up with appartments etc, I want to set my 'daughter' up by giving her the opportunity to be immersed in English for 3 months.
As I said before, authorities seem to think that every PRC citizen wants to do a runner. I have about 7 young Chinese penfriends and all of them want to stay in China and do the right thing by their families. Fair enough, once here (Aus), or some other country, thye may realise what they are missing, but like the old addage, adapted, says, you can take the girl out of China, but you can't take China out of the girl!
I just wish these idiots in the immigration departments could see past their stereotyping. I have contacted them and even offered bonds, but they still say that she has to be able to prove that she will return to China, and is only visiting that country for...reason. Just how in the name of fuck can someone prove something intangible like coming to stay with a family to learn English? It is really fucking me off now actually. I know I shouldn't be racist, or ethnicist ( is that a word?) here, but there are plenty of countries in the world who Singapore and Australia grant visas to, who are a hell of a lot more dodgy than China! Ask anyone in Australia or the UK, or I would imagine anywhere else, how much trouble they have with Chinese overstayers, or Chinese families causing riots. Not much I would think.
Sorry, I am on my high horse here, and frustrated with government red tape, I'll not take up any more space on this forum- but I would still appreciate advice from any members who know ways of doing things!
Pete
Hey, if you really want to bring the China gal to Singapore, you can always get a local agent (China) to do all the procedures for you including the visas but please do take note, it is quite expensive getting this guy to do the job.
By the way, try not to change your money in China. I find the rates here are horrible. Perhaps its only Shanghai but try not to. Do try to avoid using your home countries ATM to draw money from here. The rates are at the lowest I have seen, not to mention there is a service charge.
Well well, thats about it. If you really cant find any ways to bring your gal to singapore, PM me and i will teach you the back door. :)
Hi CL,
Is the TTG Asia article for real? I am planning on taking my gf back home to M'sia again this year and maybe drop in at S'pore for ard 2 or 3 days to visit relatives.
It was quite easy to get the M'sian travel visa for my gf last year. I haven't asked about S'pore visa; last I heard, China nationals had to pay a deposit of rmb8,000 (refundable) if they want a visa to go to S'pore for a visit.
I just read in todays TTG Asia Which is a Travel Trade Newspaper that Singapore and Malaysia have Tightened up on FIT or Individual Traveler visas for China,They will now be required to submit Certificates of Bank Deposit of money left behind in China.May I suggest that you meet her in Thailand or the Philippines which have more liberal attitudes towards FIT Chinese Visitors.Cheers
Ace Gallant
08-16-06, 09:38
I just read in todays TTG Asia Which is a Travel Trade Newspaper that Singapore and Malaysia have Tightened up on FIT or Individual Traveler visas for China,They will now be required to submit Certificates of Bank Deposit of money left behind in China.May I suggest that you meet her in Thailand or the Philippines which have more liberal attitudes towards FIT Chinese Visitors.Cheers
This is 100% true, I was planning to take one of my freebie for a short vacation next month to Singapore and pop over to Malaysia as well. She applied for a Tourist Visa though a tour agent. She even have a guarrantor from Singapore (My friend). However reply back from Singapore Embassy is that her Visa application was rejected. They did not even gives reason why.
AG
Cebu Local
08-16-06, 12:11
Hi CL,
Is the TTG Asia article for real? I am planning on taking my gf back home to M'sia again this year and maybe drop in at S'pore for ard 2 or 3 days to visit relatives.
It was quite easy to get the M'sian travel visa for my gf last year. I haven't asked about S'pore visa; last I heard, China nationals had to pay a deposit of rmb8,000 (refundable) if they want a visa to go to S'pore for a visit.Real life I own 2 travel agencies and you can confirm that on the TTG website too many PRC sex workers in Singapore and Malaysia,They are liberal with tour groups,So you can have her join one to Malaysia,Leave on the first day and rejoin them at the airport back home since They will hold her passport with the group leader Cheers
OldAsiaHand
08-16-06, 13:05
I've been contemplating the above based on fellow mongers' comments recently. I'm talking about the "slam, bam, thank you maam" service you get most of the time in the 100-150 RMB price range. It goes something like this:
You enter a BBS in any town or a line-up such as in Sha Tsui in Shenzhen. You make your pick and off you go out the back, up a flight or two or three or four stairs to a sleazy, grimey, rat and roach infested dump.
You enter one of the bedrooms. Some of the time there is an air/con that works, but a lot of the time it is just a fan with 35 degrees heat outside.
The sheets on the bed look like they have not been changed in a month or sometimes there are no sheets at all. Just those wooden mats on the bed that pinch the hell out of your knees.
Immediately, the girl strips off her clothes and invites you into the bathroom ( if you can call it that) for a shower They give you a pair of those cheap plastic sandals which are always 5 sizes too small for me. Sometimes there is hot water, sometimes not. Sometimes there is soap, other times not. In the shower, you can pre-determine whether a BBBJ and/or AR is in the cards based on how much time she spends washing your xiao didi area. More often than not, there are no clean towels available, sometimes no towels at all.
After a quick washdown, you are back in the bedroom laying on the bed. Normally, there is not much foreplay. DFK is usually out of the question. If you manage to get a BBBJ, it normally lasts only a few minutes before the girl asks, "Put on the condom?". If you are lucky, the girl will do some work by hopping on top for a little while. Other times, they ask you to do all the work. Sometimes, they will complain about the size and that it hurts trying to get you to pop sooner. Most of the time, they are open to multiple positions and will let you carry on as long as you can last until you finally pop. Some will pretend to be enjoying it as another ploy to get you off quicker.
Often, after you pop, they just jump right up; back into the shower for a quick clean-up and then back into the room to get dressed, collect the money and show you the door.
The whole routine lasts 30-45 minutes unless you control things and stretch it out a bit.
You may ask, "Why do I patronize BBS so much?" Because once in awhile you strike paydirt and it is total GFE. I reckon this happens less than 10% of the time, but I keep going back for more of the above. Am I a complete idiot?
Just my POV.
OAH
I've been contemplating the above based on fellow mongers' comments recently.
You may ask, "Why do I patronize BBS so much?" Because once in awhile you strike paydirt and it is total GFE.OAH, I'm with you 100%. Obviously many here enjoy BBS. I for one like the aspect of shagging several different girls in one night, have the choice to pick, can take a break for dinner or massage in between, don't need to make conversation in between, rest as much as you want without a subtle/overt time constraint to leave, etc. It's a pay-as-you-go system that couldn't be more capitalistic...or fun! I date in the US, and go to KTV/RS in Korea, FS massage many places, and generally monger whenever I can, but the BBS is really something everyone should experience (I started doing all of this only recently). Everyone in China is very very lucky!
Since your report seems to be geared towards newbies, I'll add my 2 cents that are mentioned over and over again on this forum. Negotiate downstairs in the BBS, before starting. If you ask the price after the deed, more often you will get ripped off. If they do not come down to 100-150 (Yuan NOT USD), then just move next door. There are so many BBS, and so many areas that they will most often agree. Also, the towel comment is very appropriate for newcomers to know. You are lucky if you get a towel, but who knows how clean they are. Often, they will give you a roll of toilet paper to dry off. Consider this a positive because this is possibly cleaner! :) I set aside time to go to BBS, that way I leave my wallet, put aside money that I need plus only a little extra. Take whatever caution you like. After the act, you will be asked to leave alone, this is both for her and your safety. Look around before you leave the front door for LE. That's what my little paranoid mind tells me, you can do what you please. Obviously there are many other things to the experience, but these are my additional bits of advice for the uninitiated.
I motion to move OAH's summary to the RoD, very helpful for the newcomer (that doesn't RTFF, I guess). This is boring for everyone else.
Others are more experienced, so feel free to add or comment.
Cheers,
-M
You may ask, "Why do I patronize BBS so much?" Because once in awhile you strike paydirt and it is total GFE. I reckon this happens less than 10% of the time, but I keep going back for more of the above. Am I a complete idiot?
OAH
OAH, I must say you really go out of the way to help newbies to learn the ropes about BBS mongering.
You are rite about the "paydirt" thing, it only happens 10% of the time. But when it does happen, you definitely get your money's worth. Talk about GFE-service...
For newbies, BBS girls are much cheaper (you get more mileage per rmb, so to speak) and the variety caters to all; and as a few BBS mamasan have told me, many of the BBS girls moonlight in KTVs. So, why pay rmb500 for single shot, when you can get the same for rmb130-150? Paying premium does not necessarily get you premium service. It basically depends on the girl's attitude and mood to determine the level of service provided.
Yes, I agree money is a great incentive for the girls to perform better, but I dun think that is the case...
Just my 2 cents...
Hoeman...
Ace Gallant
08-17-06, 06:03
I've been contemplating the above based on fellow mongers' comments recently. I'm talking about the "slam, bam, thank you maam" service you get most of the time in the 100-150 RMB price range. It goes something like this:
The whole routine lasts 30-45 minutes unless you control things and stretch it out a bit.
You may ask, "Why do I patronize BBS so much?" Because once in awhile you strike paydirt and it is total GFE. I reckon this happens less than 10% of the time, but I keep going back for more of the above. Am I a complete idiot?
Just my POV.
OAH
OAH,
I must say, what we were doing in CP is way above just any ordinary BBS. I am a sucker of comfort, lay back, enjoy and GFE. I say I am not so much into real BBS where you pick a girl and she lead you to the back of the shop into stinky "bedrooms" with Stinky beds where you do not know when is the last time they changed the bedsheets. That is why I enjoyed CP so much where we basically go to the "BBS" pick our girl and back to the hotel in the comfort of our own clean rooms taking our time to finish off whatever we want to do with the girls. In fact, I would not even call those "BBS" in CP or Shatsui as BBS at all! a typical BBS in Shanghai would have a setup of a Barbar shop up front! I would call them (Pick up joint).
If you recalled the number of times I were mongering out in CP with you, I never even strike any interest when you mention the Catacombs! I guess I am too spoilt for comfort and do not mind paying the extras.
However; I do check out those so called stinky BBS and those "You make your pick and off you go out the back, up a flight or two or three or four stairs to a sleazy, grimey, rat and roach infested dump." once in a while to experience the difference and to check them out for the benefits of fellow members or friends. I guess my brother once told me, if you are always eating good food, how would you know how good is the good food you are eating when you do not know how bad is those bad food? Once in a while you got to taste bad food to get a real benchmark!
Well, so much said; Hope to see you in CP this evening!
AG
Fast Eddie 48
08-17-06, 07:09
OAH,
I must say, what we were doing in CP is way above just any ordinary BBS. I am a sucker of comfort, lay back, enjoy and GFE. I say I am not so much into real BBS where you pick a girl and she lead you to the back of the shop into stinky "bedrooms" with Stinky beds where you do not know when is the last time they changed the bedsheets. That is why I enjoyed CP so much where we basically go to the "BBS" pick our girl and back to the hotel in the comfort of our own clean rooms taking our time to finish off whatever we want to do with the girls. In fact, I would not even call those "BBS" in CP or Shatsui as BBS at all! a typical BBS in Shanghai would have a setup of a Barbar shop up front! I would call them (Pick up joint).
If you recalled the number of times I were mongering out in CP with you, I never even strike any interest when you mention the Catacombs! I guess I am too spoilt for comfort and do not mind paying the extras.
However; I do check out those so called stinky BBS and those "You make your pick and off you go out the back, up a flight or two or three or four stairs to a sleazy, grimey, rat and roach infested dump." once in a while to experience the difference and to check them out for the benefits of fellow members or friends. I guess my brother once told me, if you are always eating good food, how would you know how good is the good food you are eating when you do not know how bad is those bad food? Once in a while you got to taste bad food to get a real benchmark!
Well, so much said; Hope to see you in CP this evening!
AG
to Asian Gambler
I think CP offer more options than shenzhen and I love both bbs and ktv but
price of ktv cost alot of rmb so I like to mix it up , About sha tsui ktv most of
the time I take the girl back to the hotel cost is the same I just tip the girl
20-30 rmb more for taxi money and only time that I do it stinky apartment if
the girl is really hot and refuse to go out with me if you promise to bring them
back yourself they will be ok with that most girl are new in town and don't
know shenzhen that well , Nothing beat taking a bath with a girl before and
after in a large bath tub .
fast eddie 48
You may ask, "Why do I patronize BBS so much?" Because once in awhile you strike paydirt and it is total GFE. I reckon this happens less than 10% of the time, but I keep going back for more of the above. Am I a complete idiot?
Just my POV.
OAH
The scientific explanation is, you are on a "partial schedule of reinforcement".
Just like a gambler who keeps playing the slot machine, because sometimes he wins.
If you always win, or always have success, then you would be on a "total schedule of reinforcement".
OAH, I'm with you 100%.
I motion to move OAH's summary to the RoD,
Cheers,
-M
I'll second that. Great description of the bbs experience. Will someone please post it where it belongs?
Clandestine782
08-17-06, 13:30
We were talking in another part of the China forum about how often BBS/ KTV girls seem to be NOT from the province in which they are working-- and may in fact be quite a distance away.
The idea was tossed out that perhaps there is a "consolidator" of some sort that finds these girls and sends them to different places.
Can anyone tell me how this works? Or even give me a direct translation for such a person? Their services might be handy....
We were talking in another part of the China forum about how often BBS/ KTV girls seem to be NOT from the province in which they are working-- and may in fact be quite a distance away.
The idea was tossed out that perhaps there is a "consolidator" of some sort that finds these girls and sends them to different places.
Can anyone tell me how this works? Or even give me a direct translation for such a person? Their services might be handy....
You will not normally find the local girls working in their home town because there is a good chance they will meet someone they know and therefore their secret working life will be exposed. This is why you will mostly find working girls are from out of town.
If you really want to find a live in girl friend, my recommendation is that you go to the poorer area in China, find a girl that you like, take her to dinner and then offer to take her to live with you. You will find out that offering 3000 rmb to a working girl is not going to impress them too much however offering 3000 to a girl who makes maybe 200rmb per month works wonders. I speak from experience because I have a Taiwan friend who does this normally. What he does when he gets tired of the current girlfriend is to offer her 1000 rmb as a finder's fee to get her girlfriend to replace her, and so on. He always have a girlfriend with him at all times. Just my 2 cents.
Phantomtiger2
08-17-06, 17:56
What he does when he gets tired of the current girlfriend is to offer her 1000 rmb as a finder's fee to get her girlfriend to replace her, and so on. He always have a girlfriend with him at all times. Just my 2 cents.
Csun,
Wish it was that easy for the rest of us at home to do this. Back home it'll take more than 1000rmb (more like half your assets) to get current one replaced.--ha ha
BTW: how did you make out with the oily MP info I PM you with in BKK?
Happy hunting bro.
PT
Csun,
Wish it was that easy for the rest of us at home to do this. Back home it'll take more than 1000rmb (more like half your assets) to get current one replaced.--ha ha
BTW: how did you make out with the oily MP info I PM you with in BKK?
Happy hunting bro.
PT
Actually I have not gone to BBK yet. Was going with a friend who want to delay the trip until Nov. He said that it is too hot in BBk right now. I will try the oily MP when I do get to BBk.
I know what you mean about back home since I am back in CA right now and can't wait to get to China.
Daring Mood
08-21-06, 11:00
POSTED ON PHILIPPINES, THAILAND, MALAYSIA, CAMBODIA, CHINA FORUMS
Guys
I want to buy a ring with one of the above precious stones (don't ask me why?).
In your travels can you advise which country / city in your experience offers best quality / prices?
TIA
Daring Mood
China's good for pearls. I would not buy precious stones here. Thailand is good for Ruby, Emerald, and Sapphire. So is India. However, you should be able to understand the difference in quality. Study up a little bit.
They have buses that take tourists to government operated "factories" in China and Thailand. In Thailand tuk tuk drivers may take you because they get something from the store. At least they did in Phuket. Some people will say to not go to these places. If you do your homework though they are not bad. I bought silk rugs and a lot of furniture in China from different stores in different cities. Also, some jade and pearls. Most of the items I paid 20% of the asking price. Just don't let them push you around. Take your time and walk away.
In Thailand you can not negotiate the same way as China. Laugh, smile, tell jokes..i even hug people. Don't become so friendly that your happy to part with your money though. Of course, if they're Indian it's a different tactic. In BKK you'll see places to go and people will fall over themselves to get you there. In this trade though, if you can't tell what you are looking at, stay home and go to the nearest jewelry mart. I don't mean store. If you live in Los Angeles the jewelry mart is downtown near Spring and Main. You can get great deals.
If you don't know what your looking at, you'll get reamed.
Caveat Emptor...Savannah
Fast Eddie 48
08-21-06, 20:42
POSTED ON PHILIPPINES, THAILAND, MALAYSIA, CAMBODIA, CHINA FORUMS
Guys
I want to buy a ring with one of the above precious stones (don't ask me why?).
In your travels can you advise which country / city in your experience offers best quality / prices?
TIA
Daring Mood
to daring mood
Hong Kong is the best place to buy gold jewerly ,The top jerwely craftman is
in Hong Kong quality of the product is much better, Price of jewerly in thailand
and other parts of asia might be cheaper , Also you will have a better chance
of getting fake in other place , Hong Kong goverment approved jewerly shop
is the place to go .
fast eddie 48
Phantomtiger2
08-22-06, 00:52
POSTED ON PHILIPPINES, THAILAND, MALAYSIA, CAMBODIA, CHINA FORUMS
Guys
I want to buy a ring with one of the above precious stones (don't ask me why?).
In your travels can you advise which country / city in your experience offers best quality / prices?
TIA
Daring Mood
Bro,
since I originally saw this post in the Thailand thread I already wrote back to you (PM).
I agree with Fast Eddie as fakes abound all over Asia so HK is a very good option. Little more expensive but worth the peace of mind, if you do not intend to go to HK and will be in BKK--go ONLY to the store thats run by the Thai govt near the Kings palace--all gems there are real but once again more expensive.
PT
Albert Punter
08-23-06, 07:56
I agree 101% with OAH report.
He very well pointed out basic reasons I stopped going to BBS.
It is true you pay nothing but you get nothing too.
If you dont mind I will post it in RoD.
I've been contemplating the above based on fellow mongers' comments recently. I'm talking about the "slam, bam, thank you maam" service you get most of the time in the 100-150 RMB price range. It goes something like this:
You enter a BBS in any town or a line-up such as in Sha Tsui in Shenzhen. You make your pick and off you go out the back, up a flight or two or three or four stairs to a sleazy, grimey, rat and roach infested dump.
You enter one of the bedrooms. Some of the time there is an air/con that works, but a lot of the time it is just a fan with 35 degrees heat outside.
The sheets on the bed look like they have not been changed in a month or sometimes there are no sheets at all. Just those wooden mats on the bed that pinch the hell out of your knees.
Immediately, the girl strips off her clothes and invites you into the bathroom ( if you can call it that) for a shower They give you a pair of those cheap plastic sandals which are always 5 sizes too small for me. Sometimes there is hot water, sometimes not. Sometimes there is soap, other times not. In the shower, you can pre-determine whether a BBBJ and/or AR is in the cards based on how much time she spends washing your xiao didi area. More often than not, there are no clean towels available, sometimes no towels at all.
After a quick washdown, you are back in the bedroom laying on the bed. Normally, there is not much foreplay. DFK is usually out of the question. If you manage to get a BBBJ, it normally lasts only a few minutes before the girl asks, "Put on the condom?". If you are lucky, the girl will do some work by hopping on top for a little while. Other times, they ask you to do all the work. Sometimes, they will complain about the size and that it hurts trying to get you to pop sooner. Most of the time, they are open to multiple positions and will let you carry on as long as you can last until you finally pop. Some will pretend to be enjoying it as another ploy to get you off quicker.
Often, after you pop, they just jump right up; back into the shower for a quick clean-up and then back into the room to get dressed, collect the money and show you the door.
The whole routine lasts 30-45 minutes unless you control things and stretch it out a bit.
You may ask, "Why do I patronize BBS so much?" Because once in awhile you strike paydirt and it is total GFE. I reckon this happens less than 10% of the time, but I keep going back for more of the above. Am I a complete idiot?
Just my POV.
OAH
I agree 101% with OAH report.
He very well pointed out basic reasons I stopped going to BBS.
It is true you pay nothing but you get nothing too.
If you dont mind I will post it in RoD.
"Pay nothing and get nothing"? Not quite. You pay 150rmb and sometimes hit the jackpot.
OAH thinks about one out of every ten girls was great. So he estimates it is extremely reinforcing maybe 10% of the time. That explains why he continues to visit bbs. Partial schedule of reinforcement.
If Albert quit going to bbs, then that is because "extinction" set in. After several negative experiences, Albert quit.
I agree 101% with OAH report.
He very well pointed out basic reasons I stopped going to BBS.
It is true you pay nothing but you get nothing too.
If you dont mind I will post it in RoD.Fuck, you guys must be studs, I think I was lucky to get 20 minutes including travelling time and shower, if any! On reflection, these girls aren't professionals, they aren't offering a service, just do it, fuck off, give me some RMB and the next one can do the same!
I am really pondering this whole P4P thing. The ones I have baid big bucks for offer a top service, including Thailand. I really wonder if we are doing ourselves a disservice, fucking sweet, young , tight girls for an ego trip, and a quick pop, rather than a really good girl who can play the game?
FYI, I came across this sight( forgive the pun!), it's an Ausralian site, but it gives a prostitute's guide on the business, at least in Australia.
Essay question: Compare and contrats the role of a prostitute in China and Australia!!
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~ashkara/
Old Mean Dog
08-23-06, 13:03
"Pay nothing and get nothing"? Not quite. You pay 150rmb and sometimes hit the jackpot.
OAH thinks about one out of every ten girls was great. So he estimates it is extremely reinforcing maybe 10% of the time. That explains why he continues to visit bbs. Partial schedule of reinforcement.
If Albert quit going to bbs then that is because "extinction" set in. After several negative experiences Albert quit.I don't really like the BBS's for the same reasons others have already mentioned, but also because there, they control the situation and you are basically at their mercy. I prefer take out, where she is on my turf and gives me the opportunity and chance to control the situation. So, you pay 300 rmb for take out instead of 150, but your assured of getting a clean bed, aircon, shower, clean towels, no thieves hiding under the bed or 2 goons outside the door ready to mug you when you depart.
Superforce99
08-23-06, 15:05
I don't really like the BBS's for the same reasons others have already mentioned, but also because there, they control the situation and you are basically at their mercy. I prefer take out, where she is on my turf and gives me the opportunity and chance to control the situation. So, you pay 300 rmb for take out instead of 150, but your assured of getting a clean bed, aircon, shower, clean towels, no thieves hiding under the bed or 2 goons outside the door ready to mug you when you depart.
It's weird, but for me I actually love BBS experiences. OAH was actually the
guy who introduced them to me long long ago in a galaxy far far away, and
overall, I'd say about 50% of the time, I'm pretty happy with the body kissing,
BBBJ, and vigorous fuck I get from a typical BBS gal. I'd estimate about 25%
of the time it's mediocre/SOP and 20% of the time not so good and 5% of the
time it's full of hassle and left a bad memory. Also, the best looking Chinese
girls I have ever seen, pro and non-pro, were in BBSs (1 in GZ and a handful
in SZ) and although they all gave forgetable service, it was nice to
see a solid "9" and be able to fuck her for 150.
With those odds, I'd be happy to go to a BBS anytime over a sauna or SW.
And the price is usually 150 in your hotel room or in their ratty rooms. Sometimes
they may charge an extra 50 to go to your room, but rarely.
J
PS. When are you coming to get your special 0.03 condoms, OAH?! If you don't get
them soon, I'm going to use them all...
Bad sex ???
Even when sex is bad, it's still pretty good! :D
OldAsiaHand
08-24-06, 17:26
Johnny,
I pretty much agree with your assessment. My experience is pretty much the same.
I still remember that Sichuan girl in Ramada Shop #1 in GZ. She would be a 9 on any scale and had absolutely everything.
OAH
P.S. I will try to make it down to Zhuhai soon, but for sure when Bill Lee shows up.
Gualtier Malde
08-25-06, 01:36
Pay nothing and get nothing? Au contraire, my dear Albert. A few months back I paid (nearly) nothing but received this *wonderful* fungus infection on my upper body! I had a great patterned rash that surely came from the sheets. I also got the privilege of a week of smearing myself with Lamisil to clear it up.
(contemplating a smiley face here but somehow I can't motivate myself to enter it in...)
David
I agree 101% with OAH report.
He very well pointed out basic reasons I stopped going to BBS.
It is true you pay nothing but you get nothing too.
If you dont mind I will post it in RoD.
Tits_Lover
08-25-06, 10:23
Hi guys
does anyone knows about EscortsChina.com ??? They want 100usd to register and then they "promise" gals for 40-80USD/hour .... sounds too cheap.
Any real users of it who could give comments ?
THX
TL
Old Mean Dog
08-25-06, 11:06
Hi guys,
Does anyone knows about EscortsChina.com? They want 100usd to register and then they "promise" gals for 40-80USD/hour. Sounds too cheap.
Any real users of it who could give comments?
THX
TLI can sum it up for you in one word: Bullshit.
Albert Punter
08-25-06, 12:16
I remember this site was discussed some time ago, but I cannot find the post.
Or maybe, it was a PM from AG ?
I cannot find it either.
AG, are you there ?
I am sure you can help our friend.
Hi guys
does anyone knows about EscortsChina.com ??? They want 100usd to register and then they "promise" gals for 40-80USD/hour .... sounds too cheap.
Any real users of it who could give comments ?
THX
TL
Gualtier Malde
08-25-06, 17:33
I have no knowledge of this site, but you can get girls for US$40 or less for an hour by getting takeout from a BBS or picking one up on the street where they prowl. Also you can get girls for cheap in the many bars in the town your in.
Why pay an additional US$100 just to get on a website?
David
Hi guys
does anyone knows about EscortsChina.com ??? They want 100usd to register and then they "promise" gals for 40-80USD/hour .... sounds too cheap.
Any real users of it who could give comments ?
THX
TL
Ace Gallant
08-25-06, 18:58
I remember this site was discussed some time ago, but I cannot find the post.
Or maybe, it was a PM from AG ?
I cannot find it either.
AG, are you there ?
I am sure you can help our friend.
Yes, I remembered somebody brought this site up and my reply was that it was a crap site. Why?
1) They over charge for their girls
2) Some of the girls listed are non-existant
3) Some of the girls are listed in multiple Cities such as Shanghai, Beijing, etc etc but when you call them from let say Shanghai you might get a reply from the girl saying that she is Beijing based, will travel to Shanghai once every two months, if you cannot wait you can pay for her airticket to fly down immediately to meet you.
4) Some of the girls are purely translators and refuse to provide any extra services.
5) Some of the girls photos are over 10 years ago, when you meet them...hahaha you be sorry!
These are the feedbacks I had gathered from friends that had use their service before. I had tried calling a few of the "Nicer" girls but I only get to meet one of them. During the meeting, she started to ask for too much money and not as what stated on the Site.
So if you feel like you have too much money, please by all means subscribe.
Enjoy
AG
Hi guys
does anyone knows about EscortsChina.com ??? They want 100usd to register and then they "promise" gals for 40-80USD/hour .... sounds too cheap.
Any real users of it who could give comments ?
TL
Not knowing the site, just using logic: The emphasis seem to be on the registration rather then the service.
>2) Some of the girls listed are non-existant
I guess all exist. But non is available and all pictures are ripped from somewhere.
For a non-sex escort just use CHAT, for sex go to you Sauna next door or the BBS round the corner.
"The need for prostitution arises from the fact that many men are either unmarried or away from their wives on journeys, that such men are not content to remain continent, and that in a conventionally virtuous community they do not find respectable women available. Society therefore sets apart a certain class of women for the satisfaction of those masculine needs which it is ashamed to acknowledge yet afraid to leave wholly unsatisfied. The prostitute has the advantage, not only that she is available at a moments notice, but that, having no life outside her profession, she can remain hidden without difficulty, and the man who has been with her can return to his wife, his family, and his church with unimpaired dignity. She, however, poor woman, in spite of the undoubted service she performs, in spite of the fact that she safeguards the virtues of wifes and daughters and the apparent virtue of church-wardens, is universally despised, thought to be an outcast, and not allowed to associate with ordinary people except in a business way. This blazing injustice began with the victory of the Christian religion, and has been continued ever since".
Bertrand Russell (British Philosopher and mathematician)
Marraige and Morals. Published in 1928
Ace Gallant
08-27-06, 08:29
Not knowing the site, just using logic: The emphasis seem to be on the registration rather then the service.
>2) Some of the girls listed are non-existant
I guess all exist. But non is available and all pictures are ripped from somewhere.
For a non-sex escort just use CHAT, for sex go to you Sauna next door or the BBS round the corner.
Don't agree,
If you call every number you might get the same girl that pick up the call even if you call a different number. Or if you email to every girl you might get similiar respond from different email address you had sent to.
Some of their number are not even working anymore. So my guess is some of the girls are non-existant because they are just put up by the Web-site host just to make up numbers of girls. That way you will be more attracted to sign up.
AG
Tits_Lover
08-27-06, 09:26
THX guys ..... lots of good feedback. What could we do without Internet and good fellows as you ?? ;)
I have been been a few times to BJ but have been always so busy .... no I want to give myself some nice treatment :)
THX
TL
Albert Punter
08-28-06, 16:32
I have just discovered that some of the pictures have been stolen from http://www.seelai.com/photos/asian_women_2005/
One more reason to stay away from them.
THX guys ..... lots of good feedback. What could we do without Internet and good fellows as you ?? ;)
I have been been a few times to BJ but have been always so busy .... no I want to give myself some nice treatment :)
THX
TL
Some more quotes from Bertrand Russell.
Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and the unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind.
Autobiography 1967
I was told that the Chinese said they would bury me at Western Lake and build a shrine to my memory. I have some slight regret that this did not happen as I might have become a god, which would have been very chic for an atheist.
Autobiography 1968
Russell had been a lecturer at Beijing University and I think also at Fudan University in Shanghai.
Perhaps this is not the right site for such a post, but perhaps it may give some insight into Chinese thought processes, if they exist, and answer some questions.
Some may know that I have posted requests about how I could get a young penpal out of China, and your replies have been great.
However, the one thing I did not anticipate was the atitude of her Chinese parents!
My friend's parents think that I want to bring her to Australia to sell her into prostitution, and she is therefore forbidden to come here!
Nothing needs to be said, other than what planet are they from?
I have checked this attitude with a number of my young Chinese penfriends and they all say that the attitude is understandable.
What the fuck is the story with China? Is there any more corrupt country on earth ( ok Indonisea)? How can Chinese parents deny their daughter the chance of a better job for fear that she willbe sold into slavery in Australia of all places?
Guys, China has many good aspects, but for the love of fuck, can someone tell me where they get of with this attitude of the west selling their girls into prostitution?
I really am bemused. Clearly I do not understand China, but perhaps I understand why they most countries are unwiling to give them visas- because those who realise how truly fucked the society is want to escape forever!
Tell me I am wrong, tell me Chinese parents are rational human beings, please, before I become totally jaded!
Juno Audio
08-29-06, 17:06
Perhaps this is not the right site for such a post, but perhaps it may give some insight into Chinese thought processes, if they exist, and answer some questions..........
Actually, some countries in Africa are worse than China, I'm sure you won't have to think hard about that one. Those parents that think you are going to sell their daughter to prostitution are probably the same ones that think all foreigners have AIDS, and everybody in Australia have blonde hair and blue eyes too.
I'll give you three reasons why they think the way they do. First, ignorance. Second, ignorance. Third, ignorance. They are the product of commie rule, the commies did a very good job of keeping their people blind to the outside world, and they were probably not really educated either because they were too busy with the cultural revolution when they were in their teens.
Actually, some countries in Africa are worse than China, I'm sure you won't have to think hard about that one. Those parents that think you are going to sell their daughter to prostitution are probably the same ones that think all foreigners have AIDS, and everybody in Australia have blonde hair and blue eyes too.
I'll give you three reasons why they think the way they do. First, ignorance. Second, ignorance. Third, ignorance. They are the product of commie rule, the commies did a very good job of keeping their people blind to the outside world, and they were probably not really educated either because they were too busy with the cultural revolution when they were in their teens.That, or the simple fact that the 'i'll take you to a place where you can get a good job but actually sell you into prostitution' is probably one of, if not THE single most publicized/famous scam in China?
Frankly speaking, look at it from their perspective. You're the parent of a girl. You probably think she's naive (all parents do) and/or unexperienced in the world. Suddenly, she comes and tells you that some guy she's never met before (penpals only, right?), that you probably never even heard before before, wants to take her to live (with him?) in another continent.
What do you think your answer would be, or the vast majority of answers from American parents would be? I think, "Hell no," would be the most common answer.
My friend's parents think that I want to bring her to Australia to sell her into prostitution, and she is therefore forbidden to come here!
What the fuck is the story with China? Is there any more corrupt country on earth ( ok Indonisea)? How can Chinese parents deny their daughter the chance of a better job for fear that she willbe sold into slavery in Australia of all places?
Same in Indonesia, and in many places. Western countries are the last places on Earth where girls risk "being sold into prostitution". But the media - Western, femdom-controlled media - have convinced half the world of the contrary. The Western male is the global villain, period. Never mind that he (the Western male) is actually a meek, woman-fearing and law-struck creature.
This is all the more absurd since the same girls will travel with their parents' blessing to really dangerous countries like Saudi Arabia and Singapore where they can end up sold or hanged or beheaded at the drop of a hat.
I think it is common knowledge that many girls are trafficked and sold into prostitution. Many eastern european girls are.
The parents of that girl are responding to what they have heard, seen on tv or read. Pete is offering this girl something that seems to be too good to be true. We all know the quote "if it seems too good to be true, then it probably is not true".
Also consider, that like most parents, they love their daughter. If she goes to Australia she may become a permanent resident, then they may have lost her forever.
Perhaps this is not the right site for such a post, but perhaps it may give some insight into Chinese thought processes, if they exist, and answer some questions.
Some may know that I have posted requests about how I could get a young penpal out of China, and your replies have been great.
However, the one thing I did not anticipate was the atitude of her Chinese parents!
My friend's parents think that I want to bring her to Australia to sell her into prostitution, and she is therefore forbidden to come here!
Nothing needs to be said, other than what planet are they from?
I have checked this attitude with a number of my young Chinese penfriends and they all say that the attitude is understandable.
What the fuck is the story with China? Is there any more corrupt country on earth ( ok Indonisea)? How can Chinese parents deny their daughter the chance of a better job for fear that she willbe sold into slavery in Australia of all places?
Guys, China has many good aspects, but for the love of fuck, can someone tell me where they get of with this attitude of the west selling their girls into prostitution?
I really am bemused. Clearly I do not understand China, but perhaps I understand why they most countries are unwiling to give them visas- because those who realise how truly fucked the society is want to escape forever!
Tell me I am wrong, tell me Chinese parents are rational human beings, please, before I become totally jade
d!
Look at it from her parent's point of view. Your young daughter meets someone on the internet. Writes back and forth to him for a few months. The penpal then asks your daughter to come to his country to meet him for god knows what. What would your reaction be?
Fair points all round chaps, and maybe I'd understand better if I were living in a country where people are sold into prostitution ( like China), but it's just that I am in Australia. What happened to the images of bouncing kangaroos, pristine beeches, miles of open space? Have they been blacked out by huge *****houses advertising newly imported Asian girls straight from the internet?
I think the Australian tourist people had better check their advertising, because we are obviously sending out the wrong signals.
Thanks for all the feedback.
Fair points all round chaps, and maybe I'd understand better if I were living in a country where people are sold into prostitution ( like China), but it's just that I am in Australia. What happened to the images of bouncing kangaroos, pristine beeches, miles of open space? Have they been blacked out by huge *****houses advertising newly imported Asian girls straight from the internet?
I think the Australian tourist people had better check their advertising, because we are obviously sending out the wrong signals.
Finally 2 points to clear up
1. The chances of a normal Chinese person getting a resident's visa for Australia lie somewhere between zero and absolute zero.
2. When I use the word girl, I mean a 21 year old. Many 21 year olds go to war for their country, probably despite their parents saying NO.
Enough said
Thanks for all the feedback.
Ace Gallant
08-30-06, 00:49
look at it from her parent's point of view. your young daughter meets someone on the internet. writes back and forth to him for a few months. the penpal then asks your daughter to come to his country to meet him for god knows what. what would your reaction be?
i reckon that this is the best answer for a question like that. although china may be poor, but parents are still parent, not to mentioned a lot of family can only afford one kid and the china one child policy. why would they want their daugther to take the risk of possiblely been sold for prositution in other country? in the history of china, and in present world; the high possiblities of girls ended up in meat market are though "the promise" of getting a better life or a better job elsewhere in bigger cities or overseas countries. 80% of those girls working in meat market in japan are also promise the same.
i cannot deny the fact that there parent who actually sold their daugther for that in china but these are all agreed upon by the buyer and their parents.
on a slightly different angle, i had read of news in singapore that guys been thrown in jail for having sex with **** girls which they had met over the internet. these are examples of why parents are even more on alert if their daugthers are having penfriends on the internet and are trying the date them out. not to mention; asking to go overseas to meet them.
with this, i don't see why parents in china should be any different in reacting to a request from a westerner met on the internet; that want her to go overseas to work "for a better life".
sorry to say this; but to a lot of chinese for the remote village or towns in china, westerner are seen as "the blue eyes demon"; race not understood by this lowly educated naive parents.
ask yourself this question; would you trust your young daugthers to come to china with a "rich" chinese who; over the internet; promised her a good life and may be work in his office as a manager?
ag
Look at it from her parent's point of view. Your young daughter meets someone on the internet. Writes back and forth to him for a few months. The penpal then asks your daughter to come to his country to meet him for god knows what. What would your reaction be?
I agree with Csun, I would be very suspicious of such an offer. I think you mentioned previously you are not looking at her as potential plaything and even your wife knows about it. So from the girl's and parent point of view there is no romantic possibilities. They would be thinking why you would be making such an offer, and I am wondering myself, can you fill us in on your motivation.
Cebu Local
08-30-06, 01:02
Try this tack,You and your wife never had a daughter,But you dont want to go throught the hassle of adoption,You just want somebody to live with you while you help her go to school,You will expect her to do household chores and help around the house,This might go down a lot better What do you guys think????
Ace Gallant
08-30-06, 01:14
Try this tack,You and your wife never had a daughter,But you dont want to go throught the hassle of adoption,You just want somebody to live with you while you help her go to school,You will expect her to do household chores and help around the house,This might go down a lot better What do you guys think????
There is one more factor I did not mention: Australia is a land far away from China! It is difficult for Parent to visit their daugther or for the daugther to come home easily. So to them it is like they are losing their daugthers for life.
So; from a Chinese point of view; as her parents, will you spend 16 - 20 years of your life grooming up your child just to "give" her away to an unknown foreigner whom they know so little (just those information you gave on the internet) as a adopted daugther just because of a promise to her for a better life?
If I am the parent, I would be very wary of your intention of Adoption.
AG
I agree with Csun, I would be very suspicious of such an offer. I think you mentioned previously you are not looking at her as potential plaything and even your wife knows about it. So from the girl's and parent point of view there is no romantic possibilities. They would be thinking why you would be making such an offer, and I am wondering myself, can you fill us in on your motivation.I hope you're ready for the long version.
I had been chatting to this 'girl'-21 years old for about 5 months, her helping me learn Chinese and I was helping her with English. I went to China for a short holiday and met her, with a friend. We had a fun day together at Windows of the World, and I took them for a traditional curry that night, as promised. This girl is a sweetie, she really is. I can't think of her sexually and she just did the cutest things. We got on very well together.
She, like many Chinese girls I chat to, is hungry to learn English as it seems better English=better job. I mentioned to her that a good way is to live in a country for a while and be forced to listen to and speak the lingo. It was then that she said she would like to go to Australia one day- and especially after seeing the miniatures in Windows of the World. She was also curious about Christmas in the west and stated that someday she would like to have Christmas dinner!
Recently, at work, she made a small mistake and got fined 1000RMB. That is a whole month's wages. She was upset and said she hated where she worked and wanted another job.
I mentioned to her that this would be an ideal opportunity to come to Australia, for Christmas, learn a lot more English and go back to China refreshed and with better English skills.
Look, I am a soft bastard, OK? My wife and I have no kids, never really wanted them, but I think of this girl like a daughter! If I work 2 overtime shifts I can earn her return plane fare from China-Darwin, via Tiger Airways, so I thought, what the hell? If we had kids we'd be spending a hell of a sight more than 600 dollars on them.
So, I felt sorry for my poor little friend, and my wife being a teacher, and having 6 weeks off at Christmas, sould have spent some time with her and shown her some of Australia, while she learned!
That's it. No alterior motive, I just like this girl and want to give her a chance in life. BTW I sponsor a 4 year old girl in the Phillipines and my wife sponsors a 6 year old boy in Mexico, we're just those sorts of people.
Also, I spent 11 years in an English police force, 2.5 in Australian and 5.5 years as a prison officer in Aus as well. I am now doing a degree in nursing.
I've seen a fair bit of the shitty side of life, but I've also done my fair share of helping people over the years, and personally, I enjoy it!
I hope that answers your question.
To the others like AG. Look, it is virtually impossible for a PRC citizen to live in Australia. The migration points system is such that unless you are a genuine refugee, any normal Chinese person with no family in China will just not qualify for a visa. Even a visa to visit is hard to get for an individual- I know I have been in correspondence with the Aus Consulate in GZ.
Additionally, China is one of the few countries that Australia does not permit its citizens, even if granted a visa to visit, to work in Aus. The only other possible visa is a student visa, and I assure you if you as a Chinese citizen have enough money to pay Aus uni fees for 3 years, then you can probably buy your own govt officials and get anything you want.
So chaps, getting to Aus is not easy for PRC citizens, living here is almost impossible, but then again most Chinese don't know that. All they know is that Australia is one massive ***** house full of yong Chinese girls!
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Gualtier Malde
08-30-06, 03:29
Tell me I am wrong, tell me Chinese parents are rational human beings, please, before I become totally jaded!
Her parents are totally right to be suspicious. I think the *least* you need to do is go there in person, (with your wife), meet the parents, meet the girl, spend some time with them.
I am a parent, and you can be damn sure I would never let a child I raised visit someone from *anywhere* only met over the internet. I mean, really, do you expect any rational parent to act differently?
And frankly, you are a guy that hangs out on the ISG!!!! Further, when you first started posting here you were so damned annoying I put you on my Ignore list. Maybe they read some of your messages to their daughter and spotted your for a perv on the merits of your writings.
It is frankly hard for me to believe you would expect anything less from her parents.
David
Pete is offering this girl something that seems to be too good to be true. We all know the quote "if it seems too good to be true, then it probably is not true".
Just want to clarify, I'm not questioning Pete's sincerity or honesty, just trying to see it from the parents perspective.
I agree with David. If you want to pursue this further, you and your wife will need to win the trust and friendship of her family.
Pete, here is my answer to your question. Yes, her parents are being rational.
Your post is ridiculous. That's all i've got to say about it.
Her parents are totally right to be suspicious. I think the *least* you need to do is go there in person, (with your wife), meet the parents, meet the girl, spend some time with them.
I am a parent, and you can be damn sure I would never let a child I raised visit someone from *anywhere* only met over the internet. I mean, really, do you expect any rational parent to act differently?
And frankly, you are a guy that hangs out on the ISG!!!! Further, when you first started posting here you were so damned annoying I put you on my Ignore list. Maybe they read some of your messages to their daughter and spotted your for a perv on the merits of your writings.
It is frankly hard for me to believe you would expect anything less from her parents.
DavidDavid,
I can see that you are my biggest fan, thanks for the positive words of encouragement- maybe you'll ignore me again.
I have met her in person already, so that's one obstacle over, and I had considered going with my wife to China, but it's more money and frankly, she has expressed the desire to stay away from Asia.
So, I hang out on the ISG and I annoy you. That doesn't mean I am some sort of low life, there is more than one side to everyone's character and I hope you will think of yourself as a half decent person as well, or are you just an annoying perv like me?
Maybe you're missing the point here. At 21 would you do what your parents tell you to? Eh, would you? I didn't. I had just joined the police force and was having a ball.
As I put in another, yet to be published post, at 21, many people are dying for their country in some shit hole somewhere in the world. I am sure if China suddenly decided to go to conventional war with some other power, parents of 21 year olds wouldn't be forbidding them to go and do their bit.
21 mate, that is an age where you can do anything you want- even in some places in the USA I believe. So if 21 is an old enough age to drink, smoke, have sex, pay taxes, fight in war... why is it not old enough to make an independent decision without the intervention of a third party- that is the bit I don't understand.
It's all about ignorance, fear and control, and that's my POV.
I hope I have annoyed you again because I don't think I can handle any more compliments.
Pete
Your post is ridiculous. That's all i've got to say about it.Yeah, whatever, why comment then?
Bye bye
Found this off topic comment in the photo section:
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PS. I just noticed that the word "b i t c h" gets censored which is pretty funny...
let's try this out: fuck dick pussy cock **** motherfucker shit ass asshole...
ha ha...ridiculous...
The "B" is degrading to women, the other mentioned words are not specifically. When I meet a "....." I forgot about it the next day. Life is too short and bad experiences are important for the learning curve.
So my greatest thanks goes to all those bad fucks!
David,
I can see that you are my biggest fan, thanks for the positive words of encouragement- maybe you'll ignore me again.
I have met her in person already, so that's one obstacle over, and I had considered going with my wife to China, but it's more money and frankly, she has expressed the desire to stay away from Asia.
So, I hang out on the ISG and I annoy you. That doesn't mean I am some sort of low life, there is more than one side to everyone's character and I hope you will think of yourself as a half decent person as well, or are you just an annoying perv like me?
Maybe you're missing the point here. At 21 would you do what your parents tell you to? Eh, would you? I didn't. I had just joined the police force and was having a ball.
As I put in another, yet to be published post, at 21, many people are dying for their country in some shit hole somewhere in the world. I am sure if China suddenly decided to go to conventional war with some other power, parents of 21 year olds wouldn't be forbidding them to go and do their bit.
21 mate, that is an age where you can do anything you want- even in some places in the USA I believe. So if 21 is an old enough age to drink, smoke, have sex, pay taxes, fight in war... why is it not old enough to make an independent decision without the intervention of a third party- that is the bit I don't understand.
It's all about ignorance, fear and control, and that's my POV.
I hope I have annoyed you again because I don't think I can handle any more compliments.
Pete
I agree that we don't always do what our parents tell us to do at 21. If there is a war, I do believe the parents will allow their kids to go to defend their country however I think you want her parents to be happy that their daughter met you and should be encourged to go with you. I am just saying that it is not going to happen. If you want the girl to go against her parents' wish and go with you anyway, this might happen. JI think you want the girl's parents to be happy and send their daughter to you and I just don't think that this will happen. So be ready for the 2 outcomes from this. One, she disobey her parents and go with you (not sure what problems this will cause in the future) or she decide to listen to her parents and stay in China.
I agree that we don't always do what our parents tell us to do at 21. If there is a war, I do believe the parents will allow their kids to go to defend their country however I think you want her parents to be happy that their daughter met you and should be encourged to go with you. I am just saying that it is not going to happen. If you want the girl to go against her parents' wish and go with you anyway, this might happen. JI think you want the girl's parents to be happy and send their daughter to you and I just don't think that this will happen. So be ready for the 2 outcomes from this. One, she disobey her parents and go with you (not sure what problems this will cause in the future) or she decide to listen to her parents and stay in China.I think it's probably time this discussion finished. Once again, thank you all for your input, it has given me the alternative perspective.
She will not be coming to Australia, at least not this year, and I respect her decision.
Pete.
Your post is ridiculous. That's all i've got to say about it.
Don't agree. It's not rediculous and is an interesting new conversation.
But it does not really have anything to do with the purpose of this forum.
SidTheSexist
08-30-06, 05:59
Pete, Guys,
Who the hell needs to ask permission from their parents at the age of 21????
I left home for Asia when I was younger than that and that was back then. I managed to look after myself and I know plenty of others who have done it too. If she can get a visa, then what is all the fuss about. Either she wants to go or not. I dont understand why she needs adopted parents to take care of her. She's 21, not 12.
Sid
Blacklisted
08-30-06, 06:16
You and I have always gotten along, haven't we???
Take some friendly advice:
Stop lying to yourself -
You only want to take her home so you can eat her our while the Mrs. is at work, spank her little bot bot and twiddle her clit while she gobbles your nob.
As Santa would say, from a pyschologists perspective, you are merely in a state of denial...
Otherwise, for what the fuck you are asking such questions to a bunch of morally depraved mongerers!!!! :)
he he he
Love you too Pete!
Gualtier Malde
08-30-06, 06:25
David,
I can see that you are my biggest fan, thanks for the positive words of encouragement- maybe you'll ignore me again.
Oh yes, now that you mention it, I probably will. Not sure what it has to do with the topic though. You did ask for opinions.
I have met her in person already...
It is not her you have a problem with. It is her parents. Meeting her is not nearly the same as meeting her parents.
So, I hang out on the ISG and I annoy you. That doesn't mean I am some sort of low life, there is more than one side to everyone's character and I hope you will think of yourself as a half decent person as well, or are you just an annoying perv like me?
I'm sure many here will state that I'm much MORE a perv than you, and I'll let others opine on whether I'm annoying. I never said you were a low life.
Maybe you're missing the point here. At 21 would you do what your parents tell you to?... <removed lots of irelevent stuff about police, wars, etc.>...
So if 21 is an old enough age to drink, smoke, have sex, pay taxes, fight in war... why is it not old enough to make an independent decision without the intervention of a third party- that is the bit I don't understand.
It's all about ignorance, fear and control, and that's my POV.
It *is* about ignorance, fear and control. Your ignorance of the China culture, for starters. Let's begin with a simple part of your statement: Did you even know that 21 is not the age of anything in China? Not the drinking age, or the age of consent. In fact, a 12 year old can stroll into a bar and drink in China. (Be careful of that young cutie on the next barstool, Santa! :-) )
It is further about ignorance of culture if you think that in China, children just waltz away from their parents at 21 like Westerners, never thinking of them or their opinions again. It just doesn't work that way in China. The opinion of the parents do matter, and matter long into a child's adult life. Eventually the child will bring the elderly parent into their home to care for them in late life. You think they want to spend that time listening to the parent complain about all their mistakes?
I'm sure there are issues of fear and control here as well. Her parents fear you, and rightly so. You are an unknown. (And unbeknownst to them, a sharp tempered, insensitive person, at least as demonstrated here.)
There are control issues, to be sure. Their child is their old age security system. Even if they don't particularly love her, they want her to be around to take care of them when they are old. It is a fact of life in China.
But you probably have control issues too. If your goal is to improve her english, send her to an english class in China. Why does she need to go to Australia to pick up more english?
I hope I have annoyed you again because I don't think I can handle any more compliments.
Pete
Ah, yet again you have demonstrated your ability to charm and win friends. I bet this little 21 year old and her parents are going to *love* you!
David
I've seen a fair bit of the shitty side of life, but I've also done my fair share of helping people over the years, and personally, I enjoy it!
I hope that answers your question.
To the others like AG. Look, it is virtually impossible for a PRC citizen to live in Australia. The migration points system is such that unless you are a genuine refugee, any normal Chinese person with no family in China will just not qualify for a visa. Even a visa to visit is hard to get for an individual- I know I have been in correspondence with the Aus Consulate in GZ.
Additionally, China is one of the few countries that Australia does not permit its citizens, even if granted a visa to visit, to work in Aus. The only other possible visa is a student visa, and I assure you if you as a Chinese citizen have enough money to pay Aus uni fees for 3 years, then you can probably buy your own govt officials and get anything you want.
So chaps, getting to Aus is not easy for PRC citizens, living here is almost impossible, but then again most Chinese don't know that. All they know is that Australia is one massive ***** house full of yong Chinese girls!
It's good to hear you have a kind hearted nature, still I can't believe you would not f**k her given the chance.
On PRC in OZ - It is silly to say it is impossible to move here from China, there would be 100's of thousands if not millions of former PRC people living here.
It's not simple to get a permanent residence visa but can be done with persistance.
As far as working visa's very few countries citizens can work here, only NZ citizens can. Many Commonwealth countries, Japan, and a few european countries have reciprical "working holiday" visas for young people which last up to a year, but that is all.
The easist route for young Chinese to come here is to study. About half the budget of all east coast universities are funded by overseas students. Nearly all from Asia and a good many from PRC.
Of course not so many PRC students can speak English at University level or have the funds for it. I know quite a few student that have worked their way up to it though. Come here, do a few English courses, then a business college after that university.
I really don't know how many of these students support themselves over such along period of time. Some will have rich parents but I guess the majority have more modest means. A student visa entites you to work for up to 20 hours per week.
I know how the particular students that I have known over the years support themselves, heck I am sure my dough has funded several universities and schools, I'm sure I deserve a honorary degree. If Chinese think "that Australia is one massive ***** house full of yong Chinese girls!" they are mistaken, never enough always welcome more.
There are a number who sign up for a course and never attend.They just go and work somewhere and at the end of the course go home a little richer.
Not a good idea as the school is obliged to give the gov't notice of non attendance so unlikely to get another visa. Not sure what the minimum course you can sign up for, but I do know many who have stayed for a long period who go to school in the morning only and get around the 20 hour working limit.
I'm not going to argue with you about the Australian visa system but:
1. When I mentioned work, I did mean as a working holiday, which people from many strange countries can take advantage of.
2. With 20 million people in Australia, I doubt if there is 1 million Chinese, lebonese in Sydney, perhaps! Chinese people in fact created my beloved town of Darwin, and many of the Chinese here are long established families and former HK residents. Getting a visa to stay here permenantly for a PRC person is almost impossible, it's hard enough for Europeans. If you don't have what Australia wants, and you can't pass an English test, and the points test then they don't want you unless you, and your sponsor has lots of money. That is why I said it is nearly impossible for PRC citizens to live here. There are of course students here, and there are ways and means, but there are also immigration detention centres with significant numbers of PRC citizens. As I said, there are ways and means, but they are not accessible to most PRC citizens, so I don't think I was being silly, really!
Finally, shame on you thinking I would fuck her if given the chance. What kind of pseudo father would I be if I did that? Ehm, perhaps you shouldn't answer that.
Finally, finally, sorry guys for taking up all this bandwith, but you all know me by now, I fire up when challenged. It's just the Celtic blood and the excessive quantities of alcohol that do it sorry!'
BLACKLISTED: Thanks for the psychoanalysis, I never realised I was like that! However the reason why I asked the question is because you are people first, and mongers second- and I hope that doesn't offend too many people. As well as providing some excellent advice on mongering, the people here have a lot of knowledge on a lot of subjects, that is why I ask because once in a while, someone will give me a reply that I want to get and I am really happy!
I'm not sure what your problem is with me, you obviously don't like me after all. I never thought I'd do this but you are now ignored, Cherrio!
Finally, shame on you thinking I would fuck her if given the chance. What kind of pseudo father would I be if I did that?
So, she is 21 years old, pretty, lots of fun and really nice. Would you mind sharing contact info? :D
The dogs on this site will teach her english! Woof, woof!!!
So, she is 21 years old, pretty, lots of fun and really nice. Would you mind sharing contact info? :D
The dogs on this site will teach her english! Woof, woof!!!Did I say she was pretty? If you don't mind I'll keep her to myself for my own non-sexual satisfaction, I am sure there are plenty more out there, in fact I believe you've had your fair share!
Blacklisted
08-30-06, 08:38
Yes, I'll bet she has an arse I could eat all night!!!
Do you have any pics you might be able to share?
21 is more than old enough to hand over to the Shanghai gang to play with! Actually, some may say she's even too old (AG? ha ha ha).
But seriously, 21 is such a great age, when they tend to get exceptionally wet and tasty!!! Mmm.
I think I need to go out and get laid!
Damn :)
Yes, I'll bet she has an arse I could eat all night!!!
Do you have any pics you might be able to share?
21 is more than old enough to hand over to the Shanghai gang to play with! Actually, some may say she's even too old (AG? ha ha ha).
But seriously, 21 is such a great age, when they tend to get exceptionally wet and tasty!!! Mmm.
I think I need to go out and get laid!
Damn :)You are a very sick individual with no morals, this is my 'daughter' you are talking about!
Yes, I'll bet she has an arse I could eat all night!!!
Do you have any pics you might be able to share?
21 is more than old enough to hand over to the Shanghai gang to play with! Actually, some may say she's even too old (AG? ha ha ha).
But seriously, 21 is such a great age, when they tend to get exceptionally wet and tasty!!! Mmm.
I think I need to go out and get laid!
Damn :)OK, just to tease you!
However, the one thing I did not anticipate was the atitude of her Chinese parents!
My friend's parents think that I want to bring her to Australia to sell her into prostitution, and she is therefore forbidden to come here!
Nothing needs to be said, other than what planet are they from?
I have checked this attitude with a number of my young Chinese penfriends and they all say that the attitude is understandable.
What the fuck is the story with China? Is there any more corrupt country on earth ( ok Indonisea)? How can Chinese parents deny their daughter the chance of a better job for fear that she willbe sold into slavery in Australia of all places?
Guys, China has many good aspects, but for the love of fuck, can someone tell me where they get of with this attitude of the west selling their girls into prostitution?
I really am bemused. Clearly I do not understand China, but perhaps I understand why they most countries are unwiling to give them visas- because those who realise how truly fucked the society is want to escape forever!
Tell me I am wrong, tell me Chinese parents are rational human beings, please, before I become totally jaded!I know this can be really frustrating and they may seem like bizzarre and irrational ppl to you but you really need to understand something more about the culture and as a product of Chinese modern culture their attitudes are entirely rationaly,do not get frustrated about it, it only shows your ignorance. I don't want to attack you or go on about it just want to simply say one thing. I dont think it has anything to do about you being a foreigner. This is a sad fact of Chinese society today and I think this is hard for us good intentioned westerners to get our head around. All those good things you say you want to do for the girl, you may or may not mean, are they not the same things a bad person would say to dupe someone anyway? Her parents know their own ppl and wouldn't be happy (if they are decent ppl which they seem to be) for one of their own countrymen they didnt know personally take their daughter away under such circumstances, so what chance in hell does a foreigner have? They know less about you than a stranger in the street in their own country. This really means something in China, what it means for them is the rational thing is not to consider such a possibly dreadful proposition. If you go and meet the parents with your wife and practice your chinese with them etc and become friends with them then I would say your chances are MUCH MUCH better and it just comes down to this little fact. Strangers NO! Friends / associates, you might even find they help out with financial arrangements to australia!
Think most of this has been said before, but just my opinion and wish you luck but you need to put aside your Australian way of thinking cos this is where you will get into frustrations and start thinking from their perspective.
Albert Punter
08-30-06, 12:40
Petemcc,
I would have written what David wrote.
Her parents are totally right to be suspicious. I think the *least* you need to do is go there in person, (with your wife), meet the parents, meet the girl, spend some time with them.
I am a parent, and you can be damn sure I would never let a child I raised visit someone from *anywhere* only met over the internet. I mean, really, do you expect any rational parent to act differently?
And frankly, you are a guy that hangs out on the ISG!!!! Further, when you first started posting here you were so damned annoying I put you on my Ignore list. Maybe they read some of your messages to their daughter and spotted your for a perv on the merits of your writings.
It is frankly hard for me to believe you would expect anything less from her parents.
David
Then you say:
Finally, shame on you thinking I would fuck her if given the chance. What kind of pseudo father would I be if I did that?
Well don't forget what some fathers do/did/will do to their daughters, natural or adopted.
Does Woody Allen reminds you something ?
Anyhow, I assume most of the people here think you are sincere in your proposals and you really want to help her.
Just try to put yourself in her parents shoes, and find a different way to achieve your target.
Best of luck
Old Mean Dog
08-30-06, 13:18
I had been chatting to this 'girl'-21 years old for about 5 months, her helping me learn Chinese and I was helping her with English. I went to China for a short holiday and met her, with a friend. We had a fun day together at Windows of the World, and I took them for a traditional curry that night, as promised. This girl is a sweetie, she really is. I can't think of her sexually and she just did the cutest things. We got on very well together.Let's just say I know you from another forum and I know what you and your buddy's intentions were when you visited Shenzhen, I also know your in your late 40's or early 50's. No problem with that, but to come on ISG and say your wanting to have a 21 year old Chinese girl come live with you and your wife as an "adopted" daughter is, well. Bullshit.
Damn right her parents should be worried!
petemcc,
i would have written what david wrote.
then you say:
well don't forget what some fathers do/did/will do to their daughters, natural or adopted.
does woody allen reminds you something ?
anyhow, i assume most of the people here think you are sincere in your proposals and you really want to help her.
just try to put yourself in her parents shoes, and find a different way to achieve your target.
best of luckthank you albert, but isn't it a sad world where the bad deeds of the few outweigh the good deeds of the many, or the one? ( any gueses where i bastardised that quote from?).
if there is one thing i have realised on this thread, it is that not being a parent i didn't think like a parent, so you guys have actually helped me to reconcile it all.
as for the [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128) bit, mate i locked them up and kept them inside. i know it goes on, and it disgusts me absolutely- it is the biggest betrayal of trust possible, and just now to realise that anyone could think of me that way makes me feel pretty crap- no offence to you albert, you are just pointing out the obvious that i chose to ignore. it really is a bad world and i of all people should know that, yet i tend to think of the good!
there's no sensible way to finish this reply, so i won't!
Ace Gallant
08-30-06, 17:49
Pete,
I hate to tell you this, your story of having big heart, no having other motives on her, blah blah blah, is getting to be unbelievable. And I know why many members are reacting in disbelieve on your story.
This is why:
In your post six months ago:
05-08-06 at 20:22 #3889
I have no posts of significance because I haven't been to any country yet on a mongering escapade. I assure you that when I get to China, I will only be shagging top shelf snatch, and if it doesn't want to be photographed, then I will pay it enough so it does- sorry that is demeaning to the girls. But guys, what is your fucken problem here? It's not about Penthouse fantascies, it is about shagging someone better looking that your wife, or girlfriend, if you have either, otherwise what the fuck are you doing shagging someone worse? Is it the thrill of the chase? I think not, 150 RMB is hardly a chase. Is it boerdom, or are you just too lazy to wank? I may not have mongered overseas, but I have fucked a lot of girls, for free, and I have met a lot of working girls, and I have fucked a lot of expensive, high-class prostitutes. If you guys get a big thrill out of fucking someone just because you are paying for it, then all the best to you, but don't slag me off because I have an opinion.
Does not fit the profile of what you are trying to paint for yourself in your recent post:
That's it. No alterior motive, I just like this girl and want to give her a chance in life. BTW I sponsor a 4 year old girl in the Phillipines and my wife sponsors a 6 year old boy in Mexico, we're just those sorts of people.
Also, I spent 11 years in an English police force, 2.5 in Australian and 5.5 years as a prison officer in Aus as well. I am now doing a degree in nursing.
I've seen a fair bit of the shitty side of life, but I've also done my fair share of helping people over the years, and personally, I enjoy it!
What you said in some of your post contradicts on what you are trying to paint the true picture of yourself. I have spoken to OldAsiaHand who had in fact given you credits on his meeting with you.
However, it make it hard for us to believe that you have totally no other motive in getting this young girl to go to Australia. IMHO: these are just a smoke screen. First you said you do not understand why parents object to getting too lived with you and your wife in Australia, than after we voice our opinions you withdrew to only wanting her come over to learn English during Christmas. So if you want to get her to go to Australia and Shag her, says so, we are all mongers, we understand, but do not try to hide under sheepskin when you are a wolf below. We are not saying you are pervert here but we are just asking you to tell the facts.
On the Citizenship, here; don’t treat us like idiot either, I am an ABC, I also carry a Australian Passport. My best friends in Australia are China Chinese and I have an Australian friend who married a Mainland Chinese. Whom he lived together with in Australia for 1 year before getting married. So, I don’t think it is totally not possible to get China Citizen immigrant status into Australia. You must be missing something here. Maybe I can get you in touch with some of my Chinese friend who knows the way round this.
On a different note; if you can’t understand the culture insecurity of Chinese thinking, than why will you want to chose a Young Chinese girl to be living with you and your wife?
Notes on Chinese: Although at 21 may be a age where a lot of youngster in the world want their own freedom; wants to reach out; want their own decision; China is still a very close society, their parents are still in the older generation group in which they are little or totally not open to ideals of their daughter going to stay with someone else they do not know and not to mention a person that does not have Yellow skin, Black eyes like them.
So sorry to say this Pete, it is not about winning or losing, it about open discussion on facts. Obviously what you had written is making others suspicous of you. Nobody so far want to attack you personally, you did asked for opinions and that what they had given you.
AG
Hi Pete. Since your intentions are honorable, strictly platonic, and you are only trying to help others, why don't you try inviting some chinese boys to stay with you and your wife in Australia?
If her parents are not cooperative, I think this would be an appropriate and admiral option.
You don't need to abandon the young lady. You could help pay for her education in China where tuition is not expensive by western standards.
Please forgive those of us who are cynics. What can you expect from a gang of mongers?
Also, please give us a future update and let us know how things evolved. I know we are all very interested in your charitable intentions and we would enjoy reading your future report.
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