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Obviously a lot of you aren't going to believe me. Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinions, and BTW I am only 42! Late 40s or 50s! come one!
Also, although I think of myself as having a big heart, I am not a charity. I don't want to help kids in China with their education etc, I wanted to help one person, who I consider to be a friend, with a one-off short trip to Australia, to listen to and speak the language.
In some of my conversations with my friend, she sends me her completed homework ( English) to check, and invaribly I find that whoever wrote the questions was certainally not a native English teacher. I appreciate that there are native English speakers teaching in China, but it is my belief ( note I said my belief) that spending a couple of months in an English speaking country ( yeah, Oz) with no opportunity to speak to or listen to anything other than English, would be a great advantage to this girl. She would also see a bit of Australia, not some classroom in SZ, and experience western food and Christmas. That was my thinking. It wasn't some sort of well conceived master plan, whereby I would lure her to Oz and then fuck her.
I may be a complete twat, and I have done a lot of questionable things in my time, but I still have my integrity. That may not mean a lot to others out there but to me it is very important.
Also, it's fair enough to quote what I said, or what I have done, but there is more than one side to all of us. Many of you who go out there fucking the arse of young Chinese girls are probably also loving fathers and husbands. I wonder do you abuse your children, their friends, or your wife? I'll bet not, because there is '........' the monger who hangs out on the ISG, and then there is '.......' the business man, father, husband, golf club president.
As I said at the start, you all have your own opinions and nothing I can say will change that. Watch this space in a few years time and I'll tell you if she ever got here.
"'On the Citizenship, here; don’t treat us like idiot either, I am an ABC, I also carry a Australian Passport. My best friends in Australia are China Chinese and I have an Australian friend who married a Mainland Chinese. Whom he lived together with in Australia for 1 year before getting married. So, I don’t think it is totally not possible to get China Citizen immigrant status into Australia. You must be missing something here. Maybe I can get you in touch with some of my Chinese friend who knows the way round this."
I have responded to other parts of your reply in a seperate post.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear about Australian residency. I am not going to marry this girl. The 'marriage ticket' is a well used strategy for Australiand who want to get their Asian bride to Australia, and although it can be difficult, it usually works. I said most ordinary PRC citizens in my post. That means a single person wanting to come to Australia, not someone who wants to get married. The purpose of my statement was to let others know that you just can't waltz into Australia as a PRC citizen. To a single PRC citizen, who works in an office, getting paid 60 RMB a year, immigration to Australia is impossible- end of story.
Strangly enough, my friend has stated that she doesn't want to live in another country, China is her home and she has her obligations.
If in future years she does get permission to come across, I may take you up on your offer to possibly streamline the visa process, so thanks for the offer.
Finally, maybe if I get to China again we should meet up and then you can see what I am really like, or if you get to Darwin, let me know!
All the best
Pete
Ace Gallant
08-31-06, 01:29
Hi Pete. Since your intentions are honorable, strictly platonic, and you are only trying to help others, why don't you try inviting some chinese boys to stay with you and your wife in Australia?
If her parents are not cooperative, I think this would be an appropriate and admiral option.
You don't need to abandon the young lady. You could help pay for her education in China where tuition is not expensive by western standards.
Please forgive those of us who are cynics. What can you expect from a gang mongers?
Also, please give us a future update and let us know how things evolved. I know we are all very interested in your charitable intentions and we would enjoy reading your future report.
Yes, Santa has a point too, it is easier to get a Visa for a Male for entry into Australia than a female. For whatever reasons?
I never had problems with sending Male staff over to my Australian suppliers for training but always have problem sending Female over. For my Female staff; the Authorities will asked tons of questions and asked for tons of paperworks.
So pete why don't you try Male kids, since your objective is that you love kids and wants to help the Chinese community. There are also many boys looking for adoption on the web.
AG
Yes, Santa has a point too, it is easier to get a Visa for a Male for entry into Australia than a female. For whatever reasons?
I never had problems with sending Male staff over to my Australian suppliers for training but always have problem sending Female over. For my Female staff; the Authorities will asked tons of questions and asked for tons of paperworks.
So pete why don't you try Male kids, since your objective is that you love kids and wants to help the Chinese community. There are also many boys looking for adoption on the web.
AGI don't love kids, that's why I never had any, and I have no desire to help the Chinese community, only 1 person, a friend who I have some compassion for. And it's not adoption, it's a learning holiday.
I fear my original posting has been bastardised so much that none of you remember what I originally said, and please, less of the facetious comments.
Ace Gallant
08-31-06, 06:19
I don't love kids, that's why I never had any, and I have no desire to help the Chinese community, only 1 person, a friend who I have some compassion for. And it's not adoption, it's a learning holiday.
I fear my original posting has been bastardised so much that none of you remember what I originally said, and please, less of the facetious comments.
Pete,
All the best to you, but just a word of caution; if you continue to write like that, you will find yourself been gunned down by many others. Its always good to be a little humble to protect yourself from all those attacks which you may get. Trust me; I guess on the board, I get one of the most frame at, mock at and insults from some particular member; if you follow my post you would know.
Understand your part on the Visa thing.
Your posts from 6 months earlier and from a couple days ago was a direct copied from the History search on your handle with the highlights markers added in, there were no changes. So, may be you started off painting a wrong picture of yourself from the start, don't blame the guys for not believing in you.
Please also adjust yourself of the cultural differences between the countries. You cannot blame her parent their reactions.
Guys;
Let's give Pete break! As I was reading his post and his defence, it did hit me that if he wants to shag this girl, why he have to wait till he goes back and go though all these trouble just to bring her to Australia and shag her? He would have done that when he was in China! It is easy for one to do that as we all knew. Of course with the exceptions of Pete wanting to Hoax her to Australia to be sold to meat market or make her a Porno star! If that is true; than why just one girl? Why not a who bunch of them? Its easy find them!
With that I rest my case.
AG
Oh by the way: Judging from the photo, she doesn't make a good porno star with her type of body!
Pete,
All the best to you, but just a word of caution; if you continue to write like that, you will find yourself been gunned down by many others. Its always good to be a little humble to protect yourself from all those attacks which you may get. Trust me; I guess on the board, I get one of the most frame at, mock at and insults from some particular member; if you follow my post you would know.
Understand your part on the Visa thing.
Your posts from 6 months earlier and from a couple days ago was a direct copied from the History search on your handle with the highlights markers added in, there were no changes. So, may be you started off painting a wrong picture of yourself from the start, don't blame the guys for not believing in you.
Please also adjust yourself of the cultural differences between the countries. You cannot blame her parent their reactions.
Guys;
Let's give Pete break! As I was reading his post and his defence, it did hit me that if he wants to shag this girl, why he have to wait till he goes back and go though all these trouble just to bring her to Australia and shag her? He would have done that when he was in China! It is easy for one to do that as we all knew. Of course with the exceptions of Pete wanting to Hoax her to Australia to be sold to meat market or make her a Porno star! If that is true; than why just one girl? Why not a who bunch of them? Its easy find them!
With that I rest my case.
AG
Oh by the way: Judging from the photo, she doesn't make a good porno star with her type of body!Thank you, at last someone can see sense. Time for this to die a death I think.
Ace Gallant
08-31-06, 08:25
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Charge you a Whisky for usage of my Ending line.
AG
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Pete. Just give me her contact info and I'll will be very nice to her. Really :)
Please don't give it to Blacklisted, he's a dirty sex mad degenerate! Shanghai gang member! Definitely not to be trusted. :(
Ace Gallant
08-31-06, 08:59
Pete. Just give me her contact info and i'll will be very nice to her. :)
Please don't give it to Blacklisted, he's a dirty sex mad degenerate! Definately not to be trusted. :(
How about me? I will make sure I keep my hand to myself! I'll put her though English school just like what I did for 707 and my other freebie.
I'll be good!
Besides; as Blacklisted said 21 may be too old for me anyways..... ;)
AG
By the way: aren't you one of the Shanghai Gang member too?
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Blacklisted
08-31-06, 11:36
Pete. Just give me her contact info and I'll will be very nice to her. Really :)
Please don't give it to Blacklisted, he's a dirty sex mad degenerate! Shanghai gang member! Definitely not to be trusted. :(
I'm a filthy, disgusting, perverted sex mad degenerate Shanghai gang member!!!
Also, perhaps this should be in the section with Dragon D, but just FYI Pete, the Gang is now offering special discounted English lessons for all hotties aged 18-25. Woooo will teach them all the street slang they need to know, such as 'I'm a baaaaaad motherfucker', and other useful phrases.
Please tell your sweet innocent friend about us and receive a further 20% off!!! Call now!
Albert Punter
08-31-06, 12:22
Which photo ?
Oh by the way: Judging from the photo, she doesn't make a good porno star with her type of body!
Albert Punter
08-31-06, 12:30
Pete. Just give me her contact info and I'll will be very nice to her. Really :)
This request makes sense.
As she wants to experience Christmas atmosphere, Santa is the most qualified to take care of her.
Ace Gallant
08-31-06, 12:54
Which photo ?
The photo in this post
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=500968&postcount=1746
AG
Ace Gallant
08-31-06, 13:01
I'm a filthy, disgusting, perverted sex mad degenerate Shanghai gang member!!!
Blacklisted you are a disgrace to the Shanghai Gang!
As a pushisment you are to bring in 10 young innocent Chinese girls so that we can give them nice English lessons and teach the the warm atmosphere of Christmas by us giving them our body heat on their cold naked bodies!
AG
Blacklisted you are a disgrace to the Shanghai Gang!
As a pushisment you are to bring in 10 young innocent Chinese girls so that we can give them nice English lessons and teach the the warm atmosphere of Christmas by us giving them our body heat on their cold naked bodies!
AGAh, now that's where my plan would have failed because Christmas in Darwin is about 35 degrees with 80% humidity, good job I can throw ice in the outdoor spa, and it holds 10, so maybe you sick bastards have given me an idea!
The photo in this post
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=500968&postcount=1746
AGI'm the fat bastard in the black t-shirt holding onto some random Chinese tourist. The girl in question is the one with the big white face on the right- ke ai de nv hai or what?
Travel Warning
Yesterday I was driving with a cab back from the Jin Mao Tower in Shanghai. The cab driver gave me one of the expensive Chong Hwa cigarettes. Obviously it had been spiked, since I suddenly felt very dizzy. I pretended not to notice anything, luckily I'm well accustomed to drugs, so I can take a lot.
I told him to drive me back to my hotel, where he should wait outside, then we could go to the Heng Shan Lu together to have a drink, I would give him his fare then. He agreed and waited outside my hotel, by which time I owed him approximately 100RMB in fares.
I just went to my hotel room, checked my belongings, locked the door and let him wait outside, hehehe. After approximately half an hour the hotel staff came to my door and told me the cab driver was at the lobby and wanted his 100RMB in fares. I told them that he had given me a spiked cigarette and that if he didn't leave they should call the police. After they went downstairs again I could hear the screeching tires of the cab fleeing the scene.
So in the end the motherf*cker lost about 100 RMB and drove me back to my hotel for free, I was lucky that I can take a lot, probably an average Chinese guy would have been knocked out. I still feel a little dizzy.
He obviously wanted to steal my camcorder, my mobile phone and my money, which means I also would have lost my self-taped porn movie with that Hunan girl I secretly taped in Sanming, since the same tape is still in the camcorder.
SidTheSexist
09-01-06, 03:38
Im having difficulty believing this story of yours. Maybe I dont have much experience but I aint ever heard of a taxi driver agreeing to go out for a drink with a customer, or even anybody wanting a taxi driver to go out with them. Neither have I ever heard of a "spiked cigarette". And the whole, "tyres screeching," is a little much too.
Secret videos and dodging taxi fares is a little sly to me.
IMO
Sid
Regarding the "secretly" taped video, look in the Fuzhou section, I wrote a report on that there. I just hid my camcorder in the hotel room under a towel, while the girl was taking a shower, nothing special about that.
Regarding the spiked cigarette, I really don't care if you believe me or not. This guy did not want to go out for a drink with me, he wanted to rob me, of course he didn't tell me that, but acted in a buddy way and I pretended to go along. Should I PM you at which hotel I am staying, so you can ask the hotel staff about this story yourself?
Ace Gallant
09-01-06, 05:02
Travel Warning
Yesterday I was driving with a cab back from the Jin Mao Tower in Shanghai. The cab driver gave me one of the expensive Chong Hwa cigarettes. Obviously it had been spiked, since I suddenly felt very dizzy. I pretended not to notice anything, luckily I'm well accustomed to drugs, so I can take a lot.
I told him to drive me back to my hotel, where he should wait outside, then we could go to the Heng Shan Lu together to have a drink, I would give him his fare then. He agreed and waited outside my hotel, by which time I owed him approximately 100RMB in fares.
I just went to my hotel room, checked my belongings, locked the door and let him wait outside, hehehe. After approximately half an hour the hotel staff came to my door and told me the cab driver was at the lobby and wanted his 100RMB in fares. I told them that he had given me a spiked cigarette and that if he didn't leave they should call the police. After they went downstairs again I could hear the screeching tires of the cab fleeing the scene.
So in the end the motherf*cker lost about 100 RMB and drove me back to my hotel for free, I was lucky that I can take a lot, probably an average Chinese guy would have been knocked out. I still feel a little dizzy.
He obviously wanted to steal my camcorder, my mobile phone and my money, which means I also would have lost my self-taped porn movie with that Hunan girl I secretly taped in Sanming, since the same tape is still in the camcorder.
Phil,
It’s a good story however you may want to consider re-scripting it to make it more convincing and less racist in nature.
1. Taxis in Shanghai has a Code of Conduct that they are not allow to smoke in the taxi in which is printed as Code of Conduct in Chinese and English normal paste on the security screen behind the Driver seat. If any taxi driver smokes in the taxi, you can complain to the Taxi regulatory authorities and his license will be suspended. Not to mention that he is not suppose to offer any Cigarette to passengers.
2. Taxi drivers in Shanghai would insist on you paying the fare before you go up to your room. Given that he had spiked your Cigarette, there are no guarantee you will be back, you could have knock out in your room. Besides, there are too many cases of passenger disappearing without paying their fare, he must be stupid to trust that you will come back with his fare. Or real smart to be able to tell the Hotel staff and able to locate you without even knowing your name or room number after half an hour! In this case, he must be real stupid to wait for half an hour later to react! Given all these, the facts don’t tie in.
3. Grand Hyatt Hotel Shanghai on Jin Mao Tower occupies floors 53-87 and all the windows glass are sound proof. How on earth will you hear the screeching of tires from your room? Must be a very large Taxi with big Tires!
4. So you must be a drug addict to be able to take a lot of that drug! I have no question about people been able to spike though a cigarette but; I am in medical supplies business, there are nothing written on the book that says Westerner can take a lot more drugs than an average Chinese guys. Abilities to overcome Drugs Intoxication depends on one’s body abilities to overcome the effects when the blood flows into the brains, it has nothing to do with races. It is also why some people can drink more Alcohol than others. By your sentence, I felt that there are some racist meaning attached to it.
5. There is no reason for the Taxi driver to flee, even if you accused him of drugging you or trying to rob you, he can just leave, because you have to prove to the police of such act first before his can be apprehended. All the taxi drivers know that. Since he is smart enough to spike you via his cigarette, he should be smart enough to know this.
Regardless of all this: It is very nice of you to let us know this story that there is a taxi driver out there driving around with a pack of Spiked Expensive Chong Hwa Cigarettes, waiting to rob you.
Enjoy Shanghai!
AG
Blacklisted
09-01-06, 05:05
There are some dodgy fuckers around who would certainly not hesitate to do such stuff Sid.
I'm surprised you find it hard to believe, although I must admit that screeching tires was a little melodramatic...
Why not?
There is such a huge income disparity in this country, especially between lao wai and Chinese, so I can totally believe people ripping others off in such a manner.
What would be the benefit of lying? He was kind enough to warn others of a potential danger.
Thankfully I don't smoke cigarettes, and I guess he'd be unlikely to pass over a spiked Partagus...
SidTheSexist
09-01-06, 06:16
Blacklisted,
I mentioned I was finding it hard to believe. Im not saying theres no taxi drivers out there who are looking to do dirty, but like AG said, maybe if it was worded a little better it wouldnt sound as far fetched.
Anyway, sorry for kicking up a fuss. We should be aware of dodgy taxi drivers, only I found this one particular case a little OTT.
Peace
Sid
Phil,
It’s a good story however you may want to consider re-scripting it to make it more convincing and less racist in nature.
1. Taxis in Shanghai has a Code of Conduct that they are not allow to smoke in the taxi in which is printed as Code of Conduct in Chinese and English normal paste on the security screen behind the Driver seat. If any taxi driver smokes in the taxi, you can complain to the Taxi regulatory authorities and his license will be suspended. Not to mention that he is not suppose to offer any Cigarette to passengers.
2. Taxi drivers in Shanghai would insist on you paying the fare before you go up to your room. Given that he had spiked your Cigarette, there are no guarantee you will be back, you could have knock out in your room. Besides, there are too many cases of passenger disappearing without paying their fare, he must be stupid to trust that you will come back with his fare. Or real smart to be able to tell the Hotel staff and able to locate you without even knowing your name or room number after half an hour! In this case, he must be real stupid to wait for half an hour later to react! Given all these, the facts don’t tie in.
3. Grand Hyatt Hotel Shanghai on Jin Mao Tower occupies floors 53-87 and all the windows glass are sound proof. How on earth will you hear the screeching of tires from your room? Must be a very large Taxi with big Tires!
4. So you must be a drug addict to be able to take a lot of that drug! I have no question about people been able to spike though a cigarette but; I am in medical supplies business, there are nothing written on the book that says Westerner can take a lot more drugs than an average Chinese guys. Abilities to overcome Drugs Intoxication depends on one’s body abilities to overcome the effects when the blood flows into the brains, it has nothing to do with races. It is also why some people can drink more Alcohol than others. By your sentence, I felt that there are some racist meaning attached to it.
5. There is no reason for the Taxi driver to flee, even if you accused him of drugging you or trying to rob you, he can just leave, because you have to prove to the police of such act first before his can be apprehended. All the taxi drivers know that. Since he is smart enough to spike you via his cigarette, he should be smart enough to know this.
Regardless of all this: It is very nice of you to let us know this story that there is a taxi driver out there driving around with a pack of Spiked Expensive Chong Hwa Cigarettes, waiting to rob you.
Enjoy Shanghai!
AG
1. If you think Chinese taxi drivers (including those in Shanghai) don't smoke, you don't seem to use Chinese taxis a lot. Very many of them will even offer you cigarettes, which is why I wasn't really wary in any way, since I constantly accept cigarettes and even alcoholic drinks from Chinese people without hesitation. The only thing that appeared strange to me was that a taxi driver was smoking Chong Hwa, which cost like 40-50RMB a pack.
2. I told him I would give him 120 RMB if he took me to my hotel room and afterwards to Heng Shan Lu if he turned off the taximeter, to which he agreed, actually I really planned on doing this, until he gave me his drugged cigarette. When I began to feel dizzy I was close to panicking, we were on some freeway in Shanghai, I was afraid I was going to pass out and he would steal my stuff, luckily I only remained dizzy but conscious. Maybe it was only twenty minutes, you know in what a fucking state I was by the time I reached my hotel room, do you think I took the time? He probably thought "shit, the drug hasn't worked the way I thought it would, now I can at least drive him to Heng Shan Lu and get the agreed upon 120 RMB". Actually I am sorry now that I didn't tell the hotel staff that came to my room to call the police, i'm sure the mofo will try this on other tourists who carry cameras etc., but I was in a fucked up state and was just looking for a way to get him to leave.
3. I stay in Puxi in a small hotel with 5 floors, I am on the third floor, it was at night with little traffic, my room is facing the parking ground in front of the hotel.
4. I admit to drinking more than most people and I also have taken nearly every hard drug on the book, if that satisfies you, I can take a pretty strong drug overdose of most substances.
5. He had a whole package of Chong Hwa cigarettes, I assume these aren't really Chong Hwa cigarettes, they are probably all spiked, I would have told the cops to look for this package of cigarettes, the cops might have taken a blood sample and detected whatever substance (Rohypnol, GHB????) he spiked the cigarettes with, he might be known to the cops for other reasons.
Ace Gallant
09-01-06, 08:01
1. If you think Chinese taxi drivers (including those in Shanghai) don't smoke, you don't seem to use Chinese taxis a lot. Very many of them will even offer you cigarettes, which is why I wasn't really wary in any way, since I constantly accept cigarettes and even alcoholic drinks from Chinese people without hesitation. The only thing that appeared strange to me was that a taxi driver was smoking Chong Hwa, which cost like 40-50RMB a pack.
2. I told him I would give him 120 RMB if he took me to my hotel room and afterwards to Heng Shan Lu if he turned off the taximeter, to which he agreed, actually I really planned on doing this, until he gave me his drugged cigarette. When I began to feel dizzy I was close to panicking, we were on some freeway in Shanghai, I was afraid I was going to pass out and he would steal my stuff, luckily I only remained dizzy but conscious. Maybe it was only twenty minutes, you know in what a fucking state I was by the time I reached my hotel room, do you think I took the time? He probably thought "shit, the drug hasn't worked the way I thought it would, now I can at least drive him to Heng Shan Lu and get the agreed upon 120 RMB". Actually I am sorry now that I didn't tell the hotel staff that came to my room to call the police, i'm sure the mofo will try this on other tourists who carry cameras etc., but I was in a fucked up state and was just looking for a way to get him to leave.
3. I stay in Puxi in a small hotel with 5 floors, I am on the third floor, it was at night with little traffic, my room is facing the parking ground in front of the hotel.
4. I admit to drinking more than most people and I also have taken nearly every hard drug on the book, if that satisfies you, I can take a pretty strong drug overdose of most substances.
5. He had a whole package of Chong Hwa cigarettes, I assume these aren't really Chong Hwa cigarettes, they are probably all spiked, I would have told the cops to look for this package of cigarettes, the cops might have taken a blood sample and detected whatever substance (Rohypnol, GHB????) he spiked the cigarettes with, he might be known to the cops for other reasons.
Appreciate if you can spend a little more time in slight more details. The way you wrote in the first post makes it difficult for one who lived in Shanghai to believe what you had written.
I don't think, I just know that Taxi are NOT Allowed to smoke in their taxi especially with a passenger. If the Traffic police see them doing it, he will be stopped by the Police and have their license suspended. I am not saying there are no scumbacks taxi in Shanghai, but for your information I lived in Shanghai and for those who know me will verify that 100% the public transport I use in Shanghai are taxi, in fact; I've only taken the subway twice in Shanghai and never and will never try the bus. Please also read the Conduct of Code the next time you take a taxi in Shanghai or you mean you never notice it since you are such an expert in riding on Taxi?
Like I've said, your first post suggested that you were very strong against drug, but now in your explaination, you said you are pretty fucked up on the highway, so which is it? But that does not remove the elements why you should pit yourself against drug resistance with the Chinese!
You think the taxi is stupid enough to floor the accelerator thinking that the security guard or yourself will not take down his taxi registration number? In fact rushing off further evidance that he is felt guilty. He got to be a dam stupid Robber! Again this might not be the whole picture you had experience.
I suggest that you are more careful in using words that sounds mis-leading or sounds racist in any manner on ISG, you are openning yourself up for insults or attacks from other members of the board.
Sorry I am all along against the abusive use of Drugs
Enjoy
AG
By the way: A pack of Chong Hwa cost 64RMB and 55 in black market.
Appreciate if you can spend a little more time in slight more details. The way you wrote in the first post makes it difficult for one who lived in Shanghai to believe what you had written.
I don't think, I just know that Taxi are NOT Allowed to smoke in their taxi especially with a passenger. If the Traffic police see them doing it, he will be stopped by the Police and have their license suspended. I am not saying there are no scumbacks taxi in Shanghai, but for your information I lived in Shanghai and for those who know me will verify that 100% the public transport I use in Shanghai are taxi, in fact; I've only taken the subway twice in Shanghai and never and will never try the bus. Please also read the Conduct of Code the next time you take a taxi in Shanghai or you mean you never notice it since you are such an expert in riding on Taxi?
Like I've said, your first post suggested that you were very strong against drug, but now in your explaination, you said you are pretty fucked up on the highway, so which is it? But that does not remove the elements why you should pit yourself against drug resistance with the Chinese!
You think the taxi is stupid enough to floor the accelerator thinking that the security guard or yourself will not take down his taxi registration number? In fact rushing off further evidance that he is felt guilty. He got to be a dam stupid Robber! Again this might not be the whole picture you had experience.
I suggest that you are more careful in using words that sounds mis-leading or sounds racist in any manner on ISG, you are openning yourself up for insults or attacks from other members of the board.
Sorry I am all along against the abusive use of Drugs
Enjoy
AG
By the way: A pack of Chong Hwa cost 64RMB and 55 in black market.
Is the traffic police around at night looking at taxis? I don't even remember if the guy himself smoked, he just offered me a smoke. I had drunk a bit in a restaurant opposite the Jin Mao Tower after going up to the observation deck.
My plan was to take a cab, take my camcorder back to my hotel, since I was afraid of losing it in a drunk state and then return to Heng Shan Lu. The taxi I mentioned before came along. We agreed he would shut off his taximeter, take me back to my hotel where I would deposit my stuff and bring me to Heng Shan Lu for a total of 120RMB. On the way he offered me a cigarette. I inhaled once and felt dizzy, so I threw the cigarette out of the window of the cab. During the drive he kept asking to see my hotel address card, which is very unusual for Chinese cab drivers, normally they only look at the card once at the beginning of the ride. I assume he was checking out whether I could still respond and was still conscious. I joked around with him a bit and tried to appear normal, then we arrived at the hotel and the rest happened, as I already explained below.
I'm sorry if any of these comments appear disparaging to Chinese people, this cab driver is a SOB, with other Chinese people I have had very positive experiences and I have a great respect for the people of China. Yesterday evening was the first time on numerous trips to China anything like this has happened.
BTW, here is the e-mail I wrote this morning to a friend about this event:
Yesterday a funny thing happened. I was taking a taxi back to my hotel after I had been at the Jin Mao Tower in Shanghai. He offered me a cigarette and I accepted. I inhaled the cigarette and suddenly felt very dizzy. Obviously he had somehow drugged the cigarette and expected me to faint so he could steal my camera and mobile phone. Unfortunately for him he had seemingly miscalculated the dosage, so I didn't faint, but just felt dizzy. I told him to drive back to the hotel and that he should wait for me outside, I would just put my stuff into my room and then come back and drive back to the city center with him where I would give him his money. Of course I had no intention of returning to the taxi and just left him waiting outside the hotel, went into my hotel room and locked the door.
After about half an hour or so the hotel staff came to my room and told me the cab driver was at the lobby and wanted his taxi fare of 100 RMB or so. I told them that he had drugged me and that if he didn't leave they should call the police and didn't give them any money. So they went downstairs again and three minutes later I could hear the screeching tires outside of the taxi driver fleeing the scene.
In the end I didn't lose anything, but instead he lost about 100 RMB in fares and drove me back to my hotel for free. Still the whole story is a bit scary, I was lucky that the drug didn't work on me the way he had hoped it would. I still feel a bit dizzy.
Albert Punter
09-01-06, 12:36
Maybe there is some electrostatic cover on the city today due to thunder storm and everybody is more sensitive than normal.
All of us know that sometimes things roll in a way to appear slightly different from reality.
Is it possible that a taxi driver, who knows at night street police is not there to fine him, offers a sigarette to a customer ?
Is it possible that, after smoking for a while, customer feels bad for some unknown reason and, due to suggestion of warnings posted in ISG about possible scams in China, believes cigarette was drugged ?
Is it possible taxi driver runs away because he doesn't want any trouble with police who must prtect foreign visitor, as soon as he is informed that a foreigner wants to accuse him of offering drugged cigarettes with robbery in mind ?
Maybe yes, maybe no.
It is up to you to believe it, but please let's not fight for this !
Is it possible that, after smoking for a while, customer feels bad for some unknown reason and, due to suggestion of warnings posted in ISG about possible scams in China, believes cigarette was drugged ?
!
Believe me, I have enough experience with cigarettes and alcohol to know that something else hit me the moment I inhaled the "cigarette" the driver gave me.
Why the f*ck should he smoke Chung Hwa anyway and offer them to his customers?
I even told him something like "aren't these cigarettes very expensive?"
Cebu Local
09-01-06, 15:03
I have encountered reports of drugged drinks,Pillows with Chlorophorm So Drugged Ciggaretes MAY be possibile.The Crooks are getting more inventive so lets not rule this out
Why the f*ck should he smoke Chung Hwa anyway and offer them to his customers?Maybe he can afford to smoke this brand
Maybe somebody gave him the package as present
Fact is, it's their culture to give a guest/customer, even if you are an unknown person, something which has "value" to show their respect to you. Sometimes it's the most expensive dish, bai jiu, cigarette. Sometimes they give you somthing even though they have nearly "nothing", like half of the dish when you know they don't have enough money to eat something regularly. Happend to me and shows you their hospitality. It's simple culture.
But, every medal has two sides, a white and a black one. So, it would not surprise me when there maybe are bad meaning behind a present like a drink, cigarette or whatever. But for this, you don't have to come to China. The risk for it is less in China than in other countries, because of the known penalties doing it but the risk is still present.
m2c
LW
The point I was trying to make was how does one guy having unprotected sex with a woman put at risk another guy who choses to have protected sex.
Anyway, this is the Photo Gallery, so if this is to turn into a debate, is should be elsewhere.A conversation is ongoing in the Photo Gallery, but I'm not joinging the debate at hand. Also, I'm trying to move it away from the Photo Gallery. My comments are related to a health question.
AIDS, gonorrhea, chlamydia are common, but effectively prevented (98%) by wearing condoms. I think the 1-2% failure is from condom breakage or slippage. The problem is that even if you wear a hat, Herpes type 2, hepatitis and others are still transmittable. If you see the sores, VERY contagious. We've all seen pictures, even in the ISG photo gallery, of girls with herpetic vessicles in and around there holes. You may not catch it on your own stick with a cover, but your nuts and surrounding areas sure will catch it, often with ONE contact! This is why I Betadine the hell out of my didi afterwards (the only known way of killing contact viruses).
Anyway, everyone will do whatever the hell they please, but anyone not covering up does in fact put the rest of us at some risk by spreading things around. Some facts, and some opinions. Hopefully no more serious talk from me. This is my hobby, not job.
Gualtier Malde
09-02-06, 01:05
...
I could hear the screeching tires of the cab fleeing the scene.
I can't recall ever being in a taxi in Shanghai powerful enough to screech its tires! (A slipping fan belt would be more believable...) :-)
...
So in the end the motherf*cker lost about 100 RMB
20 minute cab ride? 100RMB? Your hotel must have been near the Pudong airport, or in addition to a crook at the wheel the cab had a crooked meter installed.
I'm not saying yes or no, but the story at least appears embellished a bit.
David
Maybe there is some electrostatic cover on the city today due to thunder storm and everybody is more sensitive than normal.
All of us know that sometimes things roll in a way to appear slightly different from reality.
Is it possible that a taxi driver, who knows at night street police is not there to fine him, offers a sigarette to a customer ?
Is it possible that, after smoking for a while, customer feels bad for some unknown reason and, due to suggestion of warnings posted in ISG about possible scams in China, believes cigarette was drugged ?
Is it possible taxi driver runs away because he doesn't want any trouble with police who must prtect foreign visitor, as soon as he is informed that a foreigner wants to accuse him of offering drugged cigarettes with robbery in mind ?
Maybe yes, maybe no.
It is up to you to believe it, but please let's not fight for this !
Whatever happened or didn't happen, my advise is to stick with the golden or turqoise taxis. There it is even very unlikely to get a stupid driver (They seem very picky on who they employ). They have very strict rules for the drivers. In the turquoise taxis, if the driver brakes even one of the rules, you don't have to pay the fare (read the smallprint in the taxi, English version available).
At the less organized taxi companies(especially the blue and red cars) the driver smokes very often when I flag him down. I would then tell him I don't like the smoke and send him off.
Remember: This applies only to Shanghai! In other cities they may have other rules/colours.
Guys!
I know what some of you think of me but if yuo could give me some advice I would appreciate it.
I want to send my Chinese friend some money so she can buy a personal DVD player, and I can then send her DVDs that she would like to watch.
She has no bank account. What is the safest way of getting money to a Chinese citizen?
Thanks
Wouldn't it be funny if the cigarettesis not druged and is just a regular cigarette and you were just not feeling well? I can see the Taxi driver now, what the fuc* with this guy, I was nice enough to give him one of my expensive cigarette, drive him to his hotel, wait downstairs for 30 minutes and he stuff me. What is wrong with this guy :-)
20 minute cab ride? 100RMB? Your hotel must have been near the Pudong airport, or in addition to a crook at the wheel the cab had a crooked meter installed.
I'm not saying yes or no, but the story at least appears embellished a bit.
David
My hotel is actually close to the Hongqiao Airport.
Wouldn't it be funny if the cigarettesis not druged and is just a regular cigarette and you were just not feeling well? I can see the Taxi driver now, what the fuc* with this guy, I was nice enough to give him one of my expensive cigarette, drive him to his hotel, wait downstairs for 30 minutes and he stuff me. What is wrong with this guy :-)
You can also be sure that if the cigarettes had not been laced he would have not just left without collecting his fare.
Guys!
I know what some of you think of me but if yuo could give me some advice I would appreciate it.
I want to send my Chinese friend some money so she can buy a personal DVD player, and I can then send her DVDs that she would like to watch.
She has no bank account. What is the safest way of getting money to a Chinese citizen?
ThanksPete, please pay Jackson so that you can receive PMs. Then I might be able to help you.
OldAsiaHand
09-02-06, 06:16
Petemcc,
I see Western Union signs at many banks in China. I think they are tied up with Agricultural Bank, but I am not sure. Why don't you ring up Western Union in Australia and ask them what she needs to get the money sent over to China?
OAH
P.S. Why would you want to buy DVDs over there when she can buy nearly every foreign movie ever made in China for peanuts?
Guys!
I know what some of you think of me but if yuo could give me some advice I would appreciate it.
I want to send my Chinese friend some money so she can buy a personal DVD player, and I can then send her DVDs that she would like to watch.
She has no bank account. What is the safest way of getting money to a Chinese citizen?
Thanks
i want to send my chinese friend some money so she can buy a personal dvd player, and i can then send her dvds that she would like to watch.
she has no bank account. what is the safest way of getting money to a chinese citizen?when you know her well, then you can use western union from outside china. it's a little bit expensive (exchange rates in china) but she will get the money. inside china are many cheaper ways (also wu ex cn is cheaper) but i assume you want to send from outside.
how much is she asking for? when she bargains well, then she can buy a good player starting around cny 250 up.
concerning dvd's you want to send her: be very carefully sending her dvd's from outside china, because maybe they are confirep001ed by customs and so on. can bring her troubles, depending on dvd's. furthermore, in china you can get nearly most well known movies starting from cny 6 up depending where she lives. some are in a good quality including good chinese subtitles, some are not the money worth - in some shops you can pre-watch them first to filter the bad ones out. nowadays it's a little bit hard to get western movies (copy of) because of authority activities against piracy. but, i am sure she will find shops where she can buy.
lw
Guys!
I know what some of you think of me but if yuo could give me some advice I would appreciate it.
I want to send my Chinese friend some money so she can buy a personal DVD player, and I can then send her DVDs that she would like to watch.
She has no bank account. What is the safest way of getting money to a Chinese citizen?
Thanks
That's not a problem. Give me her cellphone number and I'll buy her the DVD player. Then you can send her the dvds. Since she is not your girlfriend and your interest is purely platonic, that should not be a problem for you.
I will be visiting Windows of the World shortly, so I'll be in the neighborhood.
OldAsiaHand
09-02-06, 06:23
Phil1980,
Are you a regular smoker? I've seen non-smokers get dizzy from smoking normal cigarettes.
OAH
You can also be sure that if the cigarettes had not been laced he would have not just left without collecting his fare.
OldAsiaHand
09-02-06, 06:28
Cebu Local,
A friend had this happen to him in his own apartment in Shenzhen. Picked up a SW on Caitian Lu. After the deed, she put the stuff under his pillow around 11:00PM and when he woke up the next afternoon, he was short 1,400 RMB and a mobile phone.
OAH
I have encountered reports of drugged drinks,Pillows with Chlorophorm So Drugged Ciggaretes MAY be possibile.The Crooks are getting more inventive so lets not rule this out
Phil1980,
Are you a regular smoker? I've seen non-smokers get dizzy from smoking normal cigarettes.
OAH
Actually I wish that the forumers who give comments like this run into this guy themselves. He is pretty scrawny, about 50 years old. If you do, please smoke up the entire Chung Hwa cigarette he offers you. Waving around some expensive equipment like a camcorder will certainly increase the chance of a cigarette being offered. Afterwards you can report what happened next, then we will all know more.
OldAsiaHand
09-02-06, 06:42
Phil1980,
I just asked you a simple question.
I am surprised that you or your hotel did not note down the taxi driver's license number or even the car license plate number. You spent plenty of time in the cab if the fare was over 100 RMB, and he was in front of the hotel for 30 minutes. Hotels should do this to protect their guests.
When I lived in and visited Shanghai, I found the taxi drivers to be OK. Much better than many of them down South. I would get the odd one that took a round about route to jack up the fare, but that was it. I know that the Shanghai government is very strict about regulating the taxis.
Just my POV.
OAH
Actually I wish that the forumers who give comments like this run into this guy themselves. He is pretty scrawny, about 50 years old. If you do, please smoke up the entire Chung Hwa cigarette he offers you. Waving around some expensive equipment like a camcorder will certainly increase the chance of a cigarette being offered. Afterwards you can report what happened next, then we will all know more.
Petemcc,
I see Western Union signs at many banks in China. I think they are tied up with Agricultural Bank, but I am not sure. Why don't you ring up Western Union in Australia and ask them what she needs to get the money sent over to China?
OAH
P.S. Why would you want to buy DVDs over there when she can buy nearly every foreign movie ever made in China for peanuts?Thank you, and I know about the DVDs but I didn't want to reveal that I want to send her some Dr Who DVDs, as I don't reckon they're available in China- I get enough ribbing here without you knowing I am a Dr Who fan!
Pete
That's not a problem. Give me her cellphone number and I'll buy her the DVD player. Then you can send her the dvds. Since she is not your girlfriend and your interest is purely platonic, that should not be a problem for you.
I will be visiting Windows of the World shortly, so I'll be in the neighborhood.Good idea mate-not! She is my friend and the last thing I want is some monger placing his DVD into her virgin player!
Pete, please pay Jackson so that you can receive PMs. Then I might be able to help you.I've paid up- it will be about 24 hours before it's activated apparently. I look forward to the pm- thanks.
Fast Eddie 48
09-02-06, 07:13
Actually I wish that the forumers who give comments like this run into this guy themselves. He is pretty scrawny, about 50 years old. If you do, please smoke up the entire Chung Hwa cigarette he offers you. Waving around some expensive equipment like a camcorder will certainly increase the chance of a cigarette being offered. Afterwards you can report what happened next, then we will all know more.
to Phil 1980
I don't understand why don't you just answer OAH question I am a non smoker if I smoke a cigar I do get dizzy if you not used to the nicotine and
your story is kind of fishy after I read it ,I like to know how the hotel staff
know what room that you are in to look for you and no way taxi driver will
let you leave to your room without paying first unless you leave a deposit .
fast eddie 48
A conversation is ongoing in the Photo Gallery, but I'm not joinging the debate at hand. Also, I'm trying to move it away from the Photo Gallery. My comments are related to a health question.
AIDS, gonorrhea, chlamydia are common, but effectively prevented (98%) by wearing condoms. I think the 1-2% failure is from condom breakage or slippage. The problem is that even if you wear a hat, Herpes type 2, hepatitis and others are still transmittable. If you see the sores, VERY contagious. We've all seen pictures, even in the ISG photo gallery, of girls with herpetic vessicles in and around there holes. You may not catch it on your own stick with a cover, but your nuts and surrounding areas sure will catch it, often with ONE contact! This is why I Betadine the hell out of my didi afterwards (the only known way of killing contact viruses).
Anyway, everyone will do whatever the hell they please, but anyone not covering up does in fact put the rest of us at some risk by spreading things around. Some facts, and some opinions. Hopefully no more serious talk from me. This is my hobby, not job.
I think this is a good post. Thank you Manfest.
But does Betadine really kill the genital herpes type 2 virus? Anybody want to do an info search?
Phil1980,
I just asked you a simple question.
I am surprised that you or your hotel did not note down the taxi driver's license number or even the car license plate number. You spent plenty of time in the cab if the fare was over 100 RMB, and he was in front of the hotel for 30 minutes. Hotels should do this to protect their guests.
When I lived in and visited Shanghai, I found the taxi drivers to be OK. Much better than many of them down South. I would get the odd one that took a round about route to jack up the fare, but that was it. I know that the Shanghai government is very strict about regulating the taxis.
Just my POV.
OAH
The hotel staff asked me if I wanted to call the police when they came up to my room, I told them that if he didn't leave they should do so. In that moment I was scared and confused and wanted the guy to leave, otherwise I would have asked them to call the cops. The driver obviously left in a hurry. Anyway, I stay in a budget hotel, not in the Grand Hyatt etc.
Who cares how you found the taxi drivers in Shanghai, there are thousands of them, obviously I was with one of the crooks.
Hi,
It's interesting that most of you think that you only can catch "something" when having sex w/o condom. Don't forget that you also can catch something with oral sex - DATY or BBBJ. I had such "adventure" last year in Northeast China. Sex was with condom, but before it we did DATY and BBBJ. It seems that I caught more than one of these strange asian germs by DATY/BBBJ and I needed a treatment with three medicines.
Referring to my doc it is also possible to catch such germs (microbial strain of chlamydia) by oral sex and these asian germs are very resistent against common medicine. He also mentioned that many people can have such germs w/o any problems, no symptoms of an illness.
Since this I have an emergency kit for such situation consisting of following (as I have them from Europe, I only can give you the european "brand name" and name of the antiviral agent, but some are available worlwide):
A) Zithromax 500mg (Pfizer, http: //*******.com/re495); main germ killer, box with three pills; my treatment were a double shot at once
Be) Tricef 400mg (Merck, Cefixim is the name of the antiviral agent); against a variety of germs; box of three pills; my treatment was a single shot
See) Doxyxylin 200mg (Genericon, Doxyxyline is the name of the antiviaral agent); against a variety of germs; box with ten pills; my treatment was a full box
After starting with see) and three days later (each day one shot), the screenings were becoming normal. Beside this you maybe will have so called "post symptoms" up to two weeks, but as long the screenings are ok no reason to fear anything. The whole treatment was according given recommendation to medical staff and known problems when catching such asian germs.
To treat gonorrhea a simple broad-spectrum antibiotica which treats also gonorrhea (stated in the enclosed information sheet) will be enough. But, when the symptoms will not leave after this, you have to switch to a), be) and see).
DO NOT start a self treatment without consulting a doctor first!
LW
PS: Not mentioning, that after this and the information from my doc. The fun level went down.
EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the Safe Sex topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. Thanks!
Blacklisted
09-02-06, 11:17
The hotel staff asked me if I wanted to call the police when they came up to my room, I told them that if he didn't leave they should do so. In that moment I was scared and confused and wanted the guy to leave, otherwise I would have asked them to call the cops. The driver obviously left in a hurry. Anyway, I stay in a budget hotel, not in the Grand Hyatt etc.
Who cares how you found the taxi drivers in Shanghai, there are thousands of them, obviously I was with one of the crooks.
Who cares if the story is bullshit or not?
The fact is, a taxi driver trying to drug a foreigner is not that far fetched and we can take it as a reminder to be vigilant and not accept drinks or ciggies from people we don't know.
This is like watching LA Law!
Where were you on the night in question Mr. Phil?
Ah hah! Those taxis never wait longer than 5 minutes, so therefore, you must be lying!!!
Who gives a shit!!!
:)
Ace Gallant
09-02-06, 15:13
Who cares if the story is bullshit or not?
The fact is, a taxi driver trying to drug a foreigner is not that far fetched and we can take it as a reminder to be vigilant and not accept drinks or ciggies from people we don't know.
This is like watching LA Law!
Where were you on the night in question Mr. Phil?
Ah hah! Those taxis never wait longer than 5 minutes, so therefore, you must be lying!!!
Who gives a shit!!!
:)
Let me reconstruct the crime scene:
Phil had a couple of drinks in the Pub at Grand Hyatt, he than took a taxi back to his hotel. While on the highway, been a bit dizzy from the drink he notice a pack of Red color box Cigarettes, thought that it was Chung Hwa, sitting on the Dash board of the Taxi and wondering why a taxi driver an afford such expensive cigarette and start talking to the driver who in turn thought that this passenger must be drunk and decided to shut him up by offering him a cigarette. Been a bit Tippsy, now he felt that the cigarette was spiked, and was thinking "Gee... lucky I was accustoms to drugs!" Upon arrival at his hotel he dash straight out of the taxi and up into his room. Following close behind was the taxi driver who now was stopped by the security guard. Upon entering the room, he fell flat on his bed at almost knock out state.
Now after 5 mins; (Of course been tippsy, he thought that half an hours had passed!) the hotel security came up and knock at his door to find out what going on which in turn he told the security that he was drugged by the driver and threathen to call the Police. The security guard went back down told the taxi driver what he had said. Taxi driver was mad but have no choice to accept that he is not going to get his fare so he drove off, While been mad, and driving off, he almost forgot to check the traffic when he was exiting from the Hotel driveway to the main street and thus another car almost ran into the taxi and thus the car had to Jammed hard on his brake which made the screeching tires sound which was than mistook by him as the taxi trying to flee from the scene of the crime!
An hiur later he woke up, with slight headache, he was so king hearted to quicky write the post on his version of what had happened; to warn our of his experience.
How that sounds? More convincing?
So guys, how can we all try to "gun down" a person with good intention of posting "good" information to warn all of us?
Phil, with that; I apologized for my ignorance and declare you as the Shanghai Taxi expert!
Inspector AG
Petemcc,
I see Western Union signs at many banks in China. I think they are tied up with Agricultural Bank, but I am not sure. Why don't you ring up Western Union in Australia and ask them what she needs to get the money sent over to China?
OAH
P.S. Why would you want to buy DVDs over there when she can buy nearly every foreign movie ever made in China for peanuts?
Petemcc:
The min. cost for Western Union is $50USD. It's not worth it for small amounts. My credit card company tried to wire me some emergency money in Shenzhen. It was so much trouble to get to money. It was wired to some company called EMS, China's mail delivery service. I thought my passport was enough and some basic information like tracking number. They wanted my form filled out "exactly" the same as the other person. The name of person sending, address of person etc. Luckily I had a friend to help me translate. I had to called my credit card company to find all the information. After getting the information it was still wrong. It was like EMS didn't want to give up the money. At the end I gave up after a few times. I think the problem was the credit card company doesn't wire the money, it's done by another party, Western Union. Dealing directly with Western Union should be better.
Suprised this person doesn't have a bank account. You can just do Billpay from a bank account and deposit the money directly to the person's account. You don't have to send or wire any money. Not sure about international accounts.
SHANGHAI TAXI
We will never know what really happened. Maybe Phil is right, or maybe some other cause made him feel ill and he became paranoid.
BETADINE.
Does anybody know if using Betadine can help "prevent" genital herpes infection?
Manfest said he uses it to "prevent" infection. Any studies to show it works? Does it destroy the virus on contact? They are difficult to destroy because a virus is just a tiny bit of DNA protected by a protein shell.
I'm not quite sure why many people here doubt my report. I don't have any reasons to lie. Anyway, nothing happened so in the end the crook suffered himself.
When I get back (1 week) I will post a video of the girl I want to marry in Qingdao, she is probably better than anything I have seen in the China section so far, 5'8" tall, very slim, very short pants.
LittleGoomba
09-02-06, 20:27
When I get back (1 week) I will post a video of the girl I want to marry in Qingdao, she is probably better than anything I have seen in the China section so far, 5'8" tall, very slim, very short pants.
Do you mean that she exclusively wears short pants?
As a fellow Qingdaoer I'd like to give you some slack on your Shanghai story, as difficult as it is to believe. Sure, I believe that it could have happened but having gone thoroughly 'native' living here the last few years, I can see why the SH has their doubts on the details of your story.
However, if your video is as good as you say, that's the way to start getting some cred amongst your fellow mongers!
I'm not quite sure why many people here doubt my report. I don't have any reasons to lie. Anyway, nothing happened so in the end the crook suffered himself.
Because you cannot prove 100% that the taxi driver spiked the cigarette.
Maybe it was something the cigarette company puts in their smokes and you had a bad reaction to it? Maybe it was something in your drink? Maybe you had low blood pressure? Dehydration? Paranoia and panic attack? It could be many things. So maybe he was an honest taxi driver, not a crook.
But your warning has been noted. Beware of free cigarettes, Phil might be right.
Here is a real story to show that there is 2 sides to every story and things are not always what we think they are. My cousin from Taiwan comes to the U.S. for the very first time and was robbed (???) in New York City. He has heard that so many people get robbed and killed in New York that he took a Limo to his hotel rather than take a chance with a taxi. Well, a couple of days later while he was shopping, he had to go to the rest room. As he was done and was washing his hand, a dirty, homeless looking man robbed him in the bathroom. My cousin being in fear for his life, quickly give him all his cash which was about $500. When he came to visit us, I asked him about his experience. I asked him, did the guy have a gun, a knife or anything. I mean what did he show to rob my cousin. It turned out that my cousin did not see anything except the guy was very dirty and smelled bad. The guy just said give me money in a very low tone. I believed that it was just a homeless guy asking for money like you see everywhere in New York City but my cousin being very scared about New York City just thought that the guy was trying to rob him. Feared for his life, he give the guy all his money. After futher probing, my cousin did admit what when he was running away, he did turn back to see if the guy is following him or not, he saw the guy just standing there holding a handful of money and stareing at my cousin as he was leaving.
I am now sure that the guy was just a homeless guy asking for a handout. I can see the bum telling all his buddy, just go up to all the Asian guys and ask for money in a soft voice and you be surprised how generous they are.
I'm not quite sure why many people here doubt my report. I don't have any reasons to lie. Anyway, nothing happened so in the end the crook suffered himself.
When I get back (1 week) I will post a video of the girl I want to marry in Qingdao, she is probably better than anything I have seen in the China section so far, 5'8" tall, very slim, very short pants.I sometimes do not understand the reactions here on the board. Story or no story, true or not, Phil got a message over that there is no harm to be cautious when taking a taxi. Now it is commonly agreed that we don't drink a drink that we haven't opened ourselves offered by a girl in order not to get drugged (applies especially to Thailand). Now lets add to this list: don't accept cigarettes offered by a taxi driver, and lets close the case. There is at least a theoretical chance that this can happen.
This discussion is a waste of bandwidth and makes it even more difficult for newbies to read through in an attempt to RTFF.
BETADINE.
Does anybody know if using Betadine can help "prevent" genital herpes infection?
Any studies to show it works? Does it destroy the virus on contact? They are difficult to destroy because a virus is just a tiny bit of DNA protected by a protein shell.Hi Santa,
You are a true scholar and great monger. I don't know that betadine works (I don't think there are studies). It is often recommended for people who already have herpes lesions and want to keep it clean (there are studies on this). Betadine is more often used in the operating room setting where, before cutting the skin, Betadine is used to sterilize the skin. Also, if you read the label on the bottle, it says it is a viracidal agent (kills viruses).
LW mentions three medications, Zithro, Doxy, Cefixim (but all are antibiotics, kills bacterias and not viruses). HIV and Herpes are viruses that as Santa mentions very correctly, are not curable, just possibly prevented. Gonorrhea, chlamydia, etc are bacterias.
I don't mention Betadine as a scientifically proven prevention, only that it is an antiseptic that covers both viruses and bacteria, so I use it personally. I was really comenting on going to battle without a hat.
M
I'm not quite sure why many people here doubt my report. I don't have any reasons to lie. Anyway, nothing happened so in the end the crook suffered himself.
When I get back (1 week) I will post a video of the girl I want to marry in Qingdao, she is probably better than anything I have seen in the China section so far, 5'8" tall, very slim, very short pants.
We all look forward to seeing your video.
ES
However, if your video is as good as you say, that's the way to start getting some cred amongst your fellow mongers!
Yes, it is good and I do want to get married to that girl.
She is on my QQ right now, but I will wait until I get back home to contact her, if she agrees to marriage that will put an end to my mongering for a couple of years.
LW mentions three medications, Zithro, Doxy, Cefixim (but all are antibiotics, kills bacterias and not viruses). HIV and Herpes are viruses that as Santa mentions very correctly, are not curable, just possibly prevented. Gonorrhea, chlamydia, etc are bacterias. Yes, you are correct these are antibiotics and not anitviral medications. Sorry, picked the wrong word... :(
Blacklisted
09-03-06, 07:33
I love the fact that you talk about marrying a girl in the same breath as posting a video of her on a mongering website... ;)
Sign of a true monger, and I think I speak for all of us when I say, Phil, You Da Fuckin' Man!
Blacklisted
09-03-06, 07:39
Hi Santa,
I don't mention Betadine as a scientifically proven prevention, only that it is an antiseptic that covers both viruses and bacteria, so I use it personally. I was really comenting on going to battle without a hat.
M
I think you and Santa have raised a very interesting discussion here in the interests of avoiding those nasties. It would be fantastic to get a medical opinion on this, and even raises options for the beginning of a new thread on prevention of disease, or perhaps a mongering safety thread (or do we have one of them already?).
Manfest, do you dilute the Betadine with water?
How long after the deed do you slather on the red stuff?
Great marketing opportunity for the betadine company here if there are benefits to create a specific product that could be sold alongside the condoms at the Kedi or Watsons. Big money here!
Surely, if the stuff was an aftersex preventative medicine to lower chances of contracting an STD, they would have identified the opportunity before now?
Hmm, further research required!
Betadine is used to sterilize the skin. Also, if you read the label on the bottle, it says it is a viracidal agent (kills viruses).
I don't mention Betadine as a scientifically proven prevention, only that it is an antiseptic that covers both viruses and bacteria, so I use it personally. I was really comenting on going to battle without a hat.
M
I think this a important to us all, so I'll keep the debate alive.
We often hear or read that condoms do not prevent herpes, because as Manfest already said, the virus can come in contact with the testicals and cause an infection there. However, I think a condom must provide some defense because it covers the head of the penis, which is obviously the most vulnerable area.
I think washing your hands and then the testicals would also help. Remember, you do not want to transfer the virus from your hands to your penis. The eyes and mouth may also be vulnerable to infection.
I have my doubts about Betadine as a preventative. Also, frequent use of Betadine may alter the natural bacterial flora balance and make you more susceptible to fungal infections. I don't know, I'm not a doctor.
We should not let these concerns prevent us from enjoying sex.
Just learn to play safe.
I offered some info on encrypting files on the computer by PM. Since I got so many PMs to ask for this information, I'll post it here.
The download site is www.truecrypt.org it is freeware. You can encrypt a container file or a whole harddisk partition. If you encrypt a whole partition, it appears to windows unformatted. You will need to delete the drive letter assigned, otherwise windows will everytime you click on it ask you if you want to format it. Data will be lost if confirmed with yes! On the other hand, on an unformatted partition nobody can prove that there is encrypted data, since the whole partition will be filled with random data. Then you can create a encrypted volume. make sure that the file system is FAT (Inside NTFS containers you can't create hidden volumes). After storing some unsensitive data, you can create a hidden volume inside that container with a second password.
Now depending on the password you can show either the outer or the inner volume, in case someone forces you to feveal the content, just show what you have prepared for this event. Noone can prove that there is a hidden volume.
Make sure that you read the documentation, specially the FAQs and the "security precautions".
For example you should turn off hibernating, since the hibernation file may show your encrypted data unencrypted. Also you should download a tool to encrypt the paging file, which otherwise might save critical data unencrypted in the pagefile. This tool is called "cryptoswap guerilla". Cryptoswap from Bestcrypt contained bugs that they wouldn't fix, so someone fixed the bugs and released it as freeware. http://www.geocities.com/phosphor2013/csg2kntxp.zip
Furthermore you should not make backup copies of the encrypted file or disk, but instead create a new container and copy the content. Otherwise due to the same headers but different content, it might be helping to locate the encryption header.
You do not need to install truecrypt. Just run the truecrypt.exe file (from usb stick for example. So, if you are paranoid you can even delete the file before travelling and download it again once back home.
Old Mean Dog
09-03-06, 15:09
Yes, it is good and I do want to get married to that girl.
She is on my QQ right now, but I will wait until I get back home to contact her, if she agrees to marriage that will put an end to my mongering for a couple of years.I am interested in seeing her myself! I am the agent here for the largest and oldest International Marriage Agency in the world and I have come across some truely amazing and stunning girls. I am no expert, but I have seen my share of hotties both in business as well as the BBS's, KTV's and Massage Joints! If you want to compare your catch with others, give me a shout.
I am interested in seeing her myself! I am the agent here for the largest and oldest International Marriage Agency in the world and I have come across some truely amazing and stunning girls. I am no expert, but I have seen my share of hotties both in business as well as the BBS's, KTV's and Massage Joints! If you want to compare your catch with others, give me a shout.
I think my Chinese girl can hold up to any other Chinese girl I have seen here, she is 5'8" tall, weighs 90 lbs, pretty face, long legs in very short pants. If I am honest, I am afraid that somebody here has seen her (since she has performed at public model shows in Qingdao) and will inform her about me posting here after I have posted the video of her, which would presumably end our relationship.
Gualtier Malde
09-03-06, 17:42
I think my Chinese girl can hold up to any other Chinese girl I have seen here, she is 5'8" tall, weighs 90 lbs, pretty face, long legs in very short pants. ...
You need say no more. If 90 pounds and 5'8", she is way too skinny for me. But to each his own.
I know there are girls I think are beautiful that Blacklisted (a close buddy of mine) thinks are hags [and vice versa]. I also know Blacklisted and I both like the look of one girl that AG wouldn't think is pretty (but would probably fuck anyway, if he hasn't already! :-) )
Good luck, but man, think hard about that marriage stuff. That can be some very bad mojo...
David
Manfest, do you dilute the Betadine with water?
How long after the deed do you slather on the red stuff?I preface my comments: these are my opinions and not facts. I usually don't dilute the betadine. In the US, you can buy it at regular stores (the equivalent of Watsons), but it is already the diluted form. In hospitals, there are much stronger versions, as well as ointment and gel forms. I try to put it on as soon as possible. I use the liquid form and lather it in and leave it on for 30 minutes plus (I'm very paranoid about catching stuff). IMHO, without studies to prove it, the logic is that you use soap to clean your didi, and betadine can be thought of as a stronger soap. It sounds like Santa is sophisticated on these matters. It is much more complicated an issue with regrowth of the resistant flora and other things. I thought viruses did not have that issue, and it was really a matter of killing it before the retrovirus or DNA was incorporated into your nerves or skin. Anyway, I'm not the expert, just trying something to keep safe.
M
Phantomtiger2
09-03-06, 19:43
Here is a real story to show that there is 2 sides to every story and things are not always what we think they are. My cousin from Taiwan comes to the U.S. for the very first time and was robbed (???) in New York City. He has heard that so many people get robbed and killed in New York that he took a Limo to his hotel rather than take a chance with a taxi. Well, a couple of days later while he was shopping, he had to go to the rest room. As he was done and was washing his hand, a dirty, homeless looking man robbed him in the bathroom. My cousin being in fear for his life, quickly give him all his cash which was about $500. When he came to visit us, I asked him about his experience. I asked him, did the guy have a gun, a knife or anything. I mean what did he show to rob my cousin. It turned out that my cousin did not see anything except the guy was very dirty and smelled bad. The guy just said give me money in a very low tone. I believed that it was just a homeless guy asking for money like you see everywhere in New York City but my cousin being very scared about New York City just thought that the guy was trying to rob him. Feared for his life, he give the guy all his money. After futher probing, my cousin did admit what when he was running away, he did turn back to see if the guy is following him or not, he saw the guy just standing there holding a handful of money and stareing at my cousin as he was leaving.
I am now sure that the guy was just a homeless guy asking for a handout. I can see the bum telling all his buddy, just go up to all the Asian guys and ask for money in a soft voice and you be surprised how generous they are.
Csun,
This is a case of just being too paranoid about a city from rumours and not seeing beyond his own fears.
My conclusion is the same as yours. Your cousin was not robbed, he was just being very generous indeed helping the homeless. He could now claim a charitable tax deduction on his taxes. I grew up in NYC and know the homeless guys you refer to and mostly harmless and asking for handouts mostly. Most of the times they are more afraid of you and what you might do to them. Generally,In NY, when a robbery occurs a weapon is always involved unless they have a gang outnumbering you--then no weapons needed as its usually 3-4 against one (unless you're Bruce Lee).
Cheers bro.
PT
Good luck, but man, think hard about that marriage stuff. That can be some very bad mojo...
David
The problem is if I don't marry her I don't think she will let me f*ck her.
Csun,
This is a case of just being too paranoid about a city from rumours and not seeing beyond his own fears.
My conclusion is the same as yours. Your cousin was not robbed, he was just being very generous indeed helping the homeless. He could now claim a charitable tax deduction on his taxes. I grew up in NYC and know the homeless guys you refer to and mostly harmless and asking for handouts mostly. Most of the times they are more afraid of you and what you might do to them. Generally,In NY, when a robbery occurs a weapon is always involved unless they have a gang outnumbering you--then no weapons needed as its usually 3-4 against one (unless you're Bruce Lee).
Cheers bro.
PT
I agree that he just scared himself silly. After this case, my cousin never left his hotel except to go to his meet and then returning straight home. I believe that there are crimes everywhere. You just have to watch and be alert. The funny part is that the homeless guy is by himself and just asked for money in a low voice. On the other side of the coin, my cousin is a pretty small guy at 5'6" and about 130 lbs. Now, years later after going back to New York City with me a couple of times, he also believe that he was not robbed but just got too scared. But on the bright side, he did make someone's day ;-)
Phantomtiger2
09-03-06, 21:48
The problem is if I don't marry her I don't think she will let me f*ck her.
One more reason not to marry her. If she's not providing now, its going to be alot less after marriage.
The problem is if I don't marry her I don't think she will let me f*ck her.
Just think you are paying too high a price for some fun.
Just think you are paying too high a price for some fun.
Actually I have never seen a comparable Chinese hooker, but let's say you found one in a night club somewhere in Shenzhen, then over a one year period that would make quite a sum to do her every night. Basically that's how I imagine it to be, a Chinese model to do every night and at the daytime she can like wash my laundry etc., anyway I will ask her in a week or so, then I will know more, maybe she isn't interested anyway.
Cebu Local
09-04-06, 00:31
The problem is if I don't marry her I don't think she will let me f*ck her.Get real,You dont marry somebody to have sex with them.You should have a test drive first,Most women will agree to have sex with once you are the boyfriend or the fiance.Just my 2 centavos worth.
Get real,You dont marry somebody to have sex with them.You should have a test drive first,Most women will agree to have sex with once you are the boyfriend or the fiance.Just my 2 centavos worth.
Ok, so I will just wait another week, then see again, if she doesn't agree to marriage I will be back to whoring anyhow. And sorry, but with a 19-year old Chinese hotty I will primarily get married for sex, if she agrees, what other reasons are there?
Blacklisted
09-04-06, 02:32
Ok, so I will just wait another week, then see again, if she doesn't agree to marriage I will be back to whoring anyhow. And sorry, but with a 19-year old Chinese hotty I will primarily get married for sex, if she agrees, what other reasons are there?
You're a funny guy Phil!!
And I thought I was fucked up!
Nice one brother!!!
Cebu Local
09-04-06, 02:38
Ok, so I will just wait another week, then see again, if she doesn't agree to marriage I will be back to whoring anyhow. And sorry, but with a 19-year old Chinese hotty I will primarily get married for sex, if she agrees, what other reasons are there?
With a 19 year old,You are correct,But She should sleep with you also If you are her boyfriend Right????
Blacklisted
09-04-06, 02:40
Very good initiative, Jackson, but, ehr... actually, my last post was regarding the last picture. Now it is on a separate thread linked to no current subject of discussion, so who is going to feel concerned and answer it ?
You see Erik, at the end of the day, it all comes down to money.
There are several marketing initiatives I believe Jackson is employing to enhance the profitability of his forum.
1. ROD: Anyone who posts a half decent report goes immediately to the reps of distinction. This assists 'ownership': helps make newbies feel a part of the forum, thereby encouraging them to return and purchase memberships.
2: Senior memberships: After ten reasonable posts (is this right?) you become a senior member, once again, 'ownership' is the key word.
3. Photo Gallery: Because people now pay to look at the pics, they don't want to read a whole lot of pic related drivel (even though it's supposed to be a forum). Also, we don't want to go upsetting the pic suppliers, who provide the content upon which money is made.
Simple really, and who can blame Jackson? Everyone's got to make a buck, right?
Sorry, I will immediately post this in the General section, please feel free to delete.
Old Mean Dog
09-04-06, 02:47
I think my Chinese girl can hold up to any other Chinese girl I have seen here, she is 5'8" tall, weighs 90 lbs, pretty face, long legs in very short pants. If I am honest, I am afraid that somebody here has seen her (since she has performed at public model shows in Qingdao) and will inform her about me posting here after I have posted the video of her, which would presumably end our relationship.
I would not be so pumped up over a piece of ass my friend. Models are a "dime a dozen" here and there are many more who are as beautiful or more than some models I've seen. Besides, you don't marry someone because of how good she performs in the sack, thats just a fringe benefit. I live here so I get to "test drive" any possible gf for future wife status, but I've seen guys who come here and have gotten engaged after only 3 dates with a girl, this kind of hasty decision, normally leads to heartbreak later in life. Many things must be taken into consideration, not only for you, but her as well.
All I have to say to you is be careful and don't let the little head do all the thinking. Good Luck!
-SZE
Ok, so I will just wait another week, then see again, if she doesn't agree to marriage I will be back to whoring anyhow. And sorry, but with a 19-year old Chinese hotty I will primarily get married for sex, if she agrees, what other reasons are there?Well, if you are aware that this is a time limited attraction, go ahead. Chances that this will last are minor, still there are chances. Just my POV.
Well, if you are aware that this is a time limited attraction, go ahead. Chances that this will last are minor, still there are chances. Just my POV.
I also don't think it would last, nothing lasts, not even life itself, right?
Anyway, I will ask her in a couple of days, maybe I will be miserably rejected, wait and see how my future potential b*itch reacts.
Gualtier Malde
09-04-06, 23:01
I also don't think it would last, nothing lasts, not even life itself, right?
Anyway, I will ask her in a couple of days, maybe I will be miserably rejected, wait and see how my future potential b*itch reacts.
Phil,
I do assume you are joking. If not, you are seriously fucked up.
Knock yourself out, but asking a girl to marry you just to get in her pants is beyond stupid, especially in China where there are so damn many hotties.
If you are serious, and I cannot imagine that you are, surely you do understand just what marriage means in Asia. You aren't just marrying the girl, buddy. You are marrying the whole damn family.
Good luck!
David
Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson
Johnny Chan
09-09-06, 19:41
I posted this in the Beijing section but didn't get a response. I guess this is more of a general info request.
I have a newbie question that I've yet to find the answer to. I went to a KTV in Beijing (Qian Gui) and another one in Nanjing (Melody) recently with some non-mongering friends. Although we did not ask for Xiao Jie, I had thought that the manager would at least ask us if we wanted some. I also walked around each place but did not see any walking around. So my question is, do all KTVs have Xiao Jie? And if not, how to you differentiate between the two types of KTVs?
Travel Dog
09-10-06, 06:21
Johnny
Not all KTV's have girls available. And if they have them they are not always available for takeout. Many small KTV's don't have girls but of course you can bring your own. You can actually save quite a bit of money this way if you are so inclined.
Basic rules for Chinese KTV
1) Go with someone who knows the place. Or if you are in someplace new at least go with someone who speaks Chinese. As many of the old hands on this site have said it is best not to go alone you could be setting yourself up for being ripped off or worse.
2) Ask the costs in detail before you agree to start the tab. There usually is a room charge and a minimum drink charge. Also a DJ may be required and must be tipped. The girls vary from 1-3-5 to 2-8-10 and up depending on the KTV. Most places have standard rates but they can sometimes be negotiated but this must be done before you open the tab.
3) Ask if girls are available, if they go out and how much the charges are.
4) Don't sign any bills without understanding what you are signing for.
5) Don't accept any extra food, flowers, stuffed animals, polaroid photos, cigarettes etc. without knowing what you are buying. As a good friend told me " Nothing is free in China". By the way, you can bargan on these extras if you want to buy.
6) For me 3 guys is the minimum number I would take to a KTV. If you are alone or with one friend just go to a bar. Some KTVs have a big room with a stage show. In these places you can sit and watch the show and ask a mommy to get you a girl for the evening/night.
That all being said. It can be a great deal of fun. Have fun, be careful.
TD
Johnny Chan
09-10-06, 17:51
Thanks for the tips. Do you or anyone have any experience with the KTVs above? They are both large chains, with establishments across the country. I do speak some Chinese so I guess I should have just asked. I'm still curious to know if there are ways to tell from the outside though. I do enjoy the KTV experience, not just the takeout part at the end, so I don't think I'll ever go alone. I think most of the ones in upscale hotels have Xiao Jie, but those are usually way overpriced IMO. So I'm hoping to find a few standalone and fairly high-class places to take my friends. The two mentioned above fit the bill except for the Xiao Jie part.
China Puts Stricter Limits on Distribution of Foreign News.
The New York Times. Sept 10
China imposed broad new restrictions Sunday on the distribution of foreign news in the country, beefing up state regulations on the news media.....
President Hu Jintao has intensified a crackdown on all kinds of news media in recent months, arresting and harassing journalists, tightening regulation of Web sites and online forums, hiring tens of thousands of people to screen and block web content deemed offensive.....
Hey guys
Those of you who have read my postings will know that I am doing a degree in nursing here in OZ. One of my modules is something called health sociology- and it is pure shite, but I need help with an assigenment:
This stuff is all about how society influences people's actions etc, and I am interested in how governments promote health awareness, particularly sex health awareness. I am posting this on many sites, but in particular relation to China, with the one child policy and the alleged STD problem, what is the availability and price of decent condoms?
I have RTFF and know that western- style condoms are hard to get, impossible to get, and/or very expensive, but how much so? Not all Chinese men can have small dicks, and the young guys especially must be very sexually active, given the gorgeous Chinese girls I have seen, so does the government allow the sale of cheap, decent sized, themed ( liked ribbed, flavoured) condoms, etc, or not?
Please guys, a price, if they are available would be good. I'll not quote you as references in the bibliography, but this would be a really good angle. Before 18 Oct please, as assignment is due in by 20 Oct.
Thanks guys
Pete
Gualtier Malde
09-12-06, 19:56
Thanks for the tips. Do you or anyone have any experience with the KTVs above? They are both large chains, with establishments across the country. I do speak some Chinese so I guess I should have just asked. I'm still curious to know if there are ways to tell from the outside though. I do enjoy the KTV experience, not just the takeout part at the end, so I don't think I'll ever go alone. I think most of the ones in upscale hotels have Xiao Jie, but those are usually way overpriced IMO. So I'm hoping to find a few standalone and fairly high-class places to take my friends. The two mentioned above fit the bill except for the Xiao Jie part.
I have been to PartyWorld. It is a "family oriented" KTV, meaning as far as I know they don't bring you girls to play with. It is a place you can go with your girl friend, co-workers, etc., not a place to monger.
If others have found differently, please let me know, but that was my experience there.
David
....I am interested in how governments promote health awareness, particularly sex health awareness.
From my talk with Chinese I can tell you that most have a sexual knowledge that is zero, or near zero. The typical chinese girl has one partner in her life, knows one position, and has never seen her naked husband in light. She has never heard of other positions and regards oral sex as "dirty". She also never ever talked about sex to anyone, even not her husband.
I have RTFF and know that western- style condoms are hard to get,
You can buy all sorts of condomes relatively cheaply, also international brands such as durex.
Well if you look in China due to the influence from the west, many girls in large cities especially at the University level are starting to open up and become very interested in becoming sexually active. The girls currently in their late 20's are more reserved and the whole marriage and sex in one position with the lights out are common. Hence the increasing divorce rate in China due to husbands cheating on their wifes or vice versa. The schools have sex ed classes but most teachers are to shy or not comfortable teaching it so they show them a video and then skip the rest. I was asked by one female Science teacher to teach sex ed in a class and the principal said ok but the department of education got wind and sent a memo saying that Chinese students shouldn't be taught this subject matter by a lao wai as it is considered a sensitive subject. In Shanghai in the last few years you also notice condom vending machines on the streets and in many if not all residential areas there is a one child policy agency to promote the central governments rules. Also with the number of sex shops in Shanghai and the number of companies in China now producing sex toys, it is becoming a big market. For example a couple of months back there was the sex toy convention in Gubei where there was an exhibit on sex history in China and various vendors selling their sex products. As well don't forget the sex museum that is in Shanghai or was not sure anymore.
Finally about the condom issue. There are the cheap condoms for like 10-15 RMB a box that the working girls usually buy and use with clients that fit over your dick like a cock ring. There are also the brand names like Durex who have condoms that will fit most sizes. Of course if you are hung like a horse then sorry your out of luck.
Hope this helped.
hope this hasn't been touched upon. i did a quick search and don't think i am repeating coverage of an old topic.
this time in china, i ran into problems at times using sites like wikipedia and even the isg at times. so i found a simple way to get the info i need when a chinese isp uses word filters to stop you from visiting a site. as a side note, thats what the great firewall really is, chinese isps using keywords or specific domain names which trigger a "no no" connection wise.
just use:
http://africanrabbit.com/
easy interface and pretty much cut, paste, and go. speeds may vary. i accept the temporary certificate and it has not caused any problems on my system. this site just randomizes your site urls so the word filters won't work :) also provides a bit more anonimity as your using them as a proxy to web prowse. the funny/weird name is to keep one step ahead of the updaters of the word filter database.
i recommend book marking the link before you enter china. side note: all sites work fine in hk.
Thanks guys, that was both useful and interesting info.
There is a guy on the Philippines board who says he NEVER uses condoms, has 20 known kids, and possibly many more. If a girl asks him to wear a condom he agrees, shows it to her, and then secretly takes it off before penetration. If you are interested in reading more, he is in the Philippines General Information thread under Bareback Bill.
He also says he goes bareback even when he knows he has a herpies outbreak.
Regardless of what you think of Bill, it is informative reading.
Albert Punter
09-14-06, 09:07
LONDON, Sept. 13 (Xinhua) -- Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao reiterated here on Wednesday that China's open policy to foreign media and information institutions remains unchanged.
He made the remarks at a press conference after his meeting with British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
"There have been much misunderstanding towards China's policies on foreign media. I would like to take this opportunity to clarify," he said.
The Premier noted that the Chinese government will guarantee the freedom and rights of foreign media and information institutions. In the meantime, he expressed the hope and belief that Chinese laws are abided by.
Wen noted in particular that China will ensure the free flow of business, financial and economic information. Enditem
LONDON, Sept. 13 (Xinhua) --
The Premier noted that the Chinese government will guarantee the freedom and rights of foreign media and information institutions. In the meantime, he expressed the hope and belief that Chinese laws are abided by.
That's why ISG members are only interested in talking about ladies.
It's better for all of us if we stay out of their politics and respect their laws.
The chinese people will resolve their own problems without our opinions or interference.
Just my opinion.
Blacklisted
09-15-06, 06:44
There is a guy on the Philippines board who says he NEVER uses condoms, has 20 known kids, and possibly many more. If a girl asks him to wear a condom he agrees, shows it to her, and then secretly takes it off before penetration. If you are interested in reading more, he is in the Philippines General Information thread under Bareback Bill.
He also says he goes bareback even when he knows he has a herpies outbreak.
Regardless of what you think of Bill, it is informative reading.
People like that deserve no less than capital punishment. A bullet to the brain would be too kind in my opinion. Better to go old school, slow and painful. Hope the **** dies of AIDS, and soon before he ruins any more lives.
Ace Gallant
09-15-06, 07:08
People like that deserve no less than capital punishment. A bullet to the brain would be too kind in my opinion. Better to go old school, slow and painful. Hope the **** dies of AIDS, and soon before he ruins any more lives.
Bullet in the Brain? Nah... I would say; die of AIDS is still too kind to this person. He should go though all different types of STD and let his dick slowly rot off his body, let him live for years out a dick and eventually die of AIDS!
AG
I understand your anger. Bill's behaviour is stupid and arrogant!
However, I do not believe we have freewill. Freewill is a myth!
I'm a determinist. That means, I believe human behaviour is the result of genetics and conditioning. We all do what our genetics and environment causes us to do.
The behavior of a rat, dog, man, worm or cockroach is determined (caused) by genetics + conditioning.
"The only difference between a man and a dog is, a dog cannot tell you his parents were poor but honest". Bertrand Russell.
Bill does what he has been conditioned to do, just like a laboratory rat or circus animal has been conditioned to do what it does.
Why do mongers fuck hookers? Why do hookers fuck mongers? The answer my friends is Genetics + Conditioning!
SidTheSexist
09-15-06, 08:48
So we should just let out all criminals worldwide on a count for environment causing them to do it hence not their fault. You can be locked up back home for knowingly spreading diseases. I believe its on the lines of GBH!
Ace Gallant
09-15-06, 10:09
i understand your anger. bill's behaviour is stupid and arrogant!
however, i do not believe we have freewill. freewill is a myth!
i'm a determinist. that means, i believe human behaviour is the result of genetics and conditioning. we all do what our genetics and environment causes us to do.
the behavior of a rat, dog, man, worm or cockroach is determined (caused) by genetics + conditioning.
"the only difference between a man and a dog is, a dog cannot tell you his parents were poor but honest". bertrand russell.
bill does what he has been conditioned to do, just like a laboratory rat or circus animal has been conditioned to do what it does.
why do mongers fuck hookers? why do hookers fuck mongers? the answer my friends is genetics + conditioning!
santa,
i think this got to be the worst stuff i ever heard from you!
so if based on what you said; than all the serial [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127), murderers in jail have to be set free! they had not committed any wrong doings because they had been conditioned too.
i do not see any difference with him than these serial murderers, the fact that he know it is wrong and he keeps on doing it! all these is because of his selfish needs and pleasure.
sorry santa i don’t agree with you on this one. so i don’t get my christmas presents?
ag
The only comment that I want to make about people spreading STD's purposly around is that it makes our lives much less fun.
I am sure that people who behave like this will catch AIDS and die but before that happens I hope that they don't spread AIDS to the girls that I will fk, condoms are not 100% effective.
Plus most of the p4p girls do this job soley for money for the future, its completly unfair that people who know better should try to fk their lives up on purpose.
Albert Punter
09-15-06, 12:22
No, Santa, sorry but I totally disagree with this view.
Animals and human beings are not on same level.
Human beings have been given (or just have developed) a superior intellect.
Therefore, we are capable to control our instict, respecting other poeple and laws.
Human beings acting that way are criminals, and they should be sentenced of attempted violence or homicide. In many countries already, people affected by HIV or AIDS are sentenced like that when they try to or have unprotected sex intercourse with partners who don't know about their situation.
The behavior of a rat, dog, man, worm or cockroach is determined (caused) by genetics + conditioning.
Can you explain who/what conditioned Bill ?
Bill does what he has been conditioned to do, just like a laboratory rat or circus animal has been conditioned to do what it does.
I am suddenly an expert in this subject with my studies, which include lifespan development and health sociology. I can quote shite from both subjects, but this is the botom line. I have also been around!
As human beings, we, mostly, are at the top of the eveolutionary tree. Nature( genetics) may make us pre-disposed to certain behaviours, and nurture ( up bringing, environment etc) may make us believe certain things, but ultimately, as human beings, we have control over what we do! I am a fucken maniac, I know I am, but I know that to shag someone in a high risk 'occupation'without a condom is just plain stupid. Everyone knows that, even mentally ill people know that (and I have spoken to many of them, including drug addicts), yet people with supposed free will participate in dangerous acts. It has fuck all to do with nature or nuture, it has to do with that unique human ability of reasoned thought. Some choose to relegate it down the field in favour of the feel good factor, others don't. Let's face it, who the fuck in their right mind would play Russian roulette with a revolver- especially when pissed. If that is a matter of not being able to exercise free will, then in my experience, people get a mental health section. Bear in mind, with a properly balanced revolver, and a spin each time, a bullet should never reach the firing pin, yet, I asure you, if a doctor knows you have been playing Russian roulette, you will be sectioned- in Australia. So you fuck someone, who in all probability could have an STD, maybe something simple like Chlaymidia, or a bit more nasty like Gon or Syph. Research shows that catching HIV through sex is not in itself an exact science, however having an existing STD increases the risks.
So, most mongers are hopefully fairly clued-up guys. We read the forum, we know that the girls we shag are probably not virgins, and we know that someone has probably persuaded them, at some stage to do it bareback. Suddenly that revolver cylinder that should fall to the bottom because of gravity has an imballance, and it doesn't always fall there. Next thing is the bullet is in the chamber- bang, and a few years down the track, your most memorable shag has killed you.
Free will? Yeah. Stop spinning the barrel, and even more so, stop spinning the barrel for the poor bastard whose condom does break/come off, or whose babe fucks him in the morning when he is too hung over to remember that he has no protection.
Humans can choose what they do. Those who choose to commit crime invaribly get locked up, unless they can prove trhat they are mentally incompentant. That is the way it is. Those who choose to fuck a prostitute bareback and claim that it is just a part of their inability to exercise normal human thought processes, are frankly what they claim to be, amoeba!
Of course, the philosophy and psychology of human behaviour is also of interest to mongers. However, I'm reluctant to argue with you because I don't want Jackson to tell us this not a chatroom and we are off topic.
Regarding criminals, because I believe in freewill does not mean I do not believe we need prisons. It also does not mean that I shouldn't applaud the musicians at the end of a good concert. It does not mean that I shouldn't complain to a mama if her girl gives lousy service, or not give her a tip for good service. I would regard such actions as behavior modification. Just like training a dog.
For those of you who are interested in evolution I ask you this. If humans are so special, because they have a soul and freewill, and chimps do not, how and when did this miraculous transformation occur? Answer, it didn't. I have no more freewill they my ancestral lizards.
Religous persons might argue that God gave Adam freewill right before he made Eve out of his rib. Being an atheist, I laugh at such ignorance.
Next time you are looking at or talking to a beautiful lady, remember that her ancestors were hairy monkeys. When you see the hair around her pussy :D, remember that her pussy hair is a reminder of her ancestral primate origins.
Her great, great, great, apelike grandma and grandpa always did it doggy. Why? Because their ancestors were doglike quadrupeds.
The behaviour of your beautiful lady, and her lusty apelike monger, is the result of evolutionary genetics + classical and operant conditioning.
If you think our behaviour is the result of freewill, then you are also very confused. Most people are! About 99.9% of the population mistakenly believe we have freewill.
Gualtier Malde
09-15-06, 22:10
People like that deserve no less than capital punishment. A bullet to the brain would be too kind in my opinion. Better to go old school, slow and painful. Hope the **** dies of AIDS, and soon before he ruins any more lives.
I think the Thai revenge would be more appropriate. One of his lady "friend" victims should slice off his dick, right at the root, and let him slowly and painfully bleed out.
David
Cebu Local
09-16-06, 00:53
Having followed the Adventures of Bareback Bill on the PI Board,He seems to be on the level about fathering 20 plus kids.He gets a kick out of it DELIBERATELY fathering kids believing the more the merrier.He says he sends each kid 50-60$ a month which would cover basic living costs in the PI.This is not a joke,The guy is real But I personally have a more tolerant attitude towards him,Since Many PI women dream of having white kids.As long as it was consensual and the women were willing Why not??I am not defending him But pointing out it is also cultural.One of our former Senators in the PI publicly admits to 73 kids by 54 women.Senator Ramon Revilla.So I think his behavior is irresponsible But understandable in a PI setting
Cebu Local
09-16-06, 01:01
I just randomly asked 8 PI women here around my office If they thought What Bareback Bill was ok and 5 said yes as long as he provided support.Furthermore 3 even said He did the kids a big favor by giving them foriegn passports.So I will have to withhold judgement on him since PI women seem to find this ok.Just my quick 5 minute research and my opinion as the PI resident here Cheers
Old Mean Dog
09-16-06, 02:18
I just randomly asked 8 PI women here around my office If they thought What Bareback Bill was ok and 5 said yes as long as he provided support.Furthermore 3 even said He did the kids a big favor by giving them foriegn passports.So I will have to withhold judgement on him since PI women seem to find this ok.Just my quick 5 minute research and my opinion as the PI resident here CheersSomehow, this all sounds so very sad and disturbing.
Next time you are looking at or talking to a beautiful lady, remember that her ancestors were hairy monkeys. When you see the hair around her pussy :D, remember that her pussy hair is a reminder of her ancestral primate origins.
Her great, great, great, apelike grandma and grandpa always did it doggy. Why? Because their ancestors were doglike quadrupeds.
The behaviour of your beautiful lady, and her lusty apelike monger, is the result of evolutionary genetics + classical and operant conditioning.
If you think our behaviour is the result of freewill, then you are also very confused. Most people are! About 99.9% of the population mistakenly believe we have freewill.I do not want to get into this freewill dicussion, because a war might even result out of this. Besides freewill or not, I have another observation that makes me believe that some are closer related to chimps than others. In my eyes humans communicate in a way that they say something and have a more or less clear message, where as chimps communicate in just making lots of noice with no importance of the content, at least no content audible.
Blacklisted
09-16-06, 03:40
I just randomly asked 8 PI women here around my office If they thought What Bareback Bill was ok and 5 said yes as long as he provided support.Furthermore 3 even said He did the kids a big favor by giving them foriegn passports.So I will have to withhold judgement on him since PI women seem to find this ok.Just my quick 5 minute research and my opinion as the PI resident here Cheers
Yes, and I guess you think it's fine that his babies are born with all kinds of diseases, including AIDS?
I wonder if you mentioned that he enjoyed passing on herpes to girls he fucks? Isn't that lovely, when the poor lady he impregnates gives her child herpes as she has an outbreak of festering pustules giving birth?
Mmm, I can see why you would hold back judging poor Bill.
Cebu Local
09-16-06, 06:33
Somehow, this all sounds so very sad and disturbing.I personally find his behavior irresponsibile,BUT if some women want to bear his children and carry around his diseases,I cant stop them since Its their choice.I do not endorse his behavior but cannot condemm him either.Just my 2 centavos opinion
Gualtier Malde
09-16-06, 07:04
I personally find his behavior irresponsibile,BUT if some women want to bear his children and carry around his diseases,I cant stop them since Its their choice.I do not endorse his behavior but cannot condemm him either.Just my 2 centavos opinion
I can totally condemn him for knowingly passing around STDs. Forget AIDS, as bad as it is - there are plenty of others that can cause things like cervical cancer, liver cancer, infertility, dementia, etc., etc. Thanks a LOT, Mr. Bareback. Maybe you should go to Africa, catch Ebola, and go quickly...
David
I personally find his behavior irresponsibile,BUT if some women want to bear his children and carry around his diseases,I cant stop them since Its their choice.I do not endorse his behavior but cannot condemm him either.Just my 2 centavos opinion
Sorry Cebu, I have to disagree.
1. They are very poorly educated girls who know very little about viral or bacterial infections and their consequences. He says he fucks them bareback even when he knows he is having a herpies attack. The only thing that will prevent him, he says, is when the sores are so bad it is too painful to have sex. He brags about this behavior!
2. He says that when a girl insists he wear a condom he pretends to put it on and then secretly hides it, and then fucks her bareback, cheating her of her option.
3. One man having 20+ kids is not good for society. Kids need parents! Because he has so many he is not available to nurture and educate them.
4. He arrogantly argues that he is doing the Philippines a big favour by contributing his superior genes to their inferior gene pool. This type of eugenics sounds like nazi-style racism to me!
5. This one is only a guess, but I'll say it anyway. I bet many of his known and unknown kids are living in severe poverty. I bet many of their mothers would tell us that Bareback Bill is a cheap bastard and full of bullshit.
I wish we could cut his testicals off and stuff them in his mouth!
next time you are looking at or talking to a beautiful lady, remember that her ancestors were hairy monkeys. when you see the hair around her pussy :d, remember that her pussy hair is a reminder of her ancestral primate origins.
her great, great, great, apelike grandma and grandpa always did it doggy. why? because their ancestors were doglike quadrupeds.
the behaviour of your beautiful lady, and her lusty apelike monger, is the result of evolutionary genetics + classical and operant conditioning.
if you think our behaviour is the result of freewill, then you are also very confused. most people are! about 99.9% of the population mistakenly believe we have freewill.i have been pondering this quote all day whilst doing shitty chores like cleaning the ceiling fans, and i am wondering if it's all a big joke?
we have freewill- you know why? ( apart from cleaning the fans) well, some may remember a film, a long time ago, i think it was called 'the quest for fire'. it basically followed the lives of some pretty primitave 'missing links'. i remember the scene where the sent of the female simian/human made the male take her from behind, the old 'quadraped way'. did they find their partners attractive in those days? fuck knows, probably not, but they fucked because it was nature. roll on a couple of tens of thousands of years. a man sees a girl walking down the street, she is hot- he finds her attractive, perhaps she is in that part of her cycle, perhaps the pheremones are doing it for him. does he grab her and fuck her? usually no. why? because we have free will and conscious thought. we respect the rights of others, and although biology says 'shoot your seed into that hottie and you will produce some top kids', fortunately, free will, conscience, soul, being fucken responsible and human, and not wanting between 5 and 100 years in prison/execution, tells us that it is not on.
99.9% of people have free will, and exercise it, the rest are mentally incompetant or just complete and utter cunts who deserve nothing other than total and permenant incapacitation!
just my pov
Albert Punter
09-16-06, 14:27
This time I agree with you.
Cebu Local,
How can you judge a man by a poll ?
Even deciding "guilty" or "not guilty" for someone asking to the victims may not be a good idea.
Just think what happens to victims of abduction for ransom.
They often speak well about people who abducted them (this is known as Stockholm syndrome). However, I dont think that for this reason we should sentence the responsible "not guilty" of a crime.
Sorry Cebu, I have to disagree.
1. They are very poorly educated girls who know very little about viral or bacterial infections and their consequences. He says he fucks them bareback even when he knows he is having a herpies attack. The only thing that will prevent him, he says, is when the sores are so bad it is too painful to have sex. He brags about this behavior!
2. He says that when a girl insists he wear a condom he pretends to put it on and then secretly hides it, and then fucks her bareback, cheating her of her option.
3. One man having 20+ kids is not good for society. Kids need parents! Because he has so many he is not available to nurture and educate them.
4. He arrogantly argues that he is doing the Philippines a big favour by contributing his superior genes to their inferior gene pool. This type of eugenics sounds like nazi-style racism to me!
5. This one is only a guess, but I'll say it anyway. I bet many of his known and unknown kids are living in severe poverty. I bet many of their mothers would tell us that Bareback Bill is a cheap bastard and full of bullshit.
I wish we could cut his testicals off and stuff them in his mouth!
This time I agree with you.
Cebu Local,
How can you judge a man by a poll ?
Even deciding "guilty" or "not guilty" for someone asking to the victims may not be a good idea.
Just think what happens to victims of abduction for ransom.
They often speak well about people who abducted them (this is known as Stockholm syndrome). However, I dont think that for this reason we should sentence the responsible "not guilty" of a crime.Fuck the Stockholm Syndrom, that is actually a completely different set of circumstances. Remember the R word, Responsibility, not just for ourselves, but for others. Those of us who have the knowledge/power/education/ whatever it maye be called, have a responsibility for those who don't. I would never dream of ever comparing a working girl to an animal, but for the purposes of an anology, we feed our cats and dogs, look after them and take them to the vets if required. We do not dream of making them sick. Why should we as responsible human beings condone our cats or dogs, or Lizards, or whatever engaging in a life threatening act, like eating poisonous toads, or walking in front of cars? It would take a real callous bastard to let an animal suffer horrible fate, so is a working girl less than an animal?
Forgive my base comparasins, but for fuck's sake, if someone does not want to take responsibility for his own actions and transfer it onto some dumb **** who does not know any better, then he may may as well feed his dog rat poison, and his cat aspirin, because he clearly does not give a fuck about anything that lives.
I could go on, but frankly the whole thing disgusts me. Treating people like meat is not, or should not be a human characteristic, and anyone who does is not worthy of note.
Blacklisted
09-16-06, 17:18
I personally find his behavior irresponsibile,BUT if some women want to bear his children and carry around his diseases,I cant stop them since Its their choice.I do not endorse his behavior but cannot condemm him either.Just my 2 centavos opinion
Cebu, frankly, I find your attitude also a little disturbing. I bet if it was your daughter (don't even know if you have one, but...), you might feel slightly differently about withholding judgement.
If it was my daughter (not that I have one), I would actually take the scissors to Mr Bill myself.
People like him deserve nothing less.
Living in the Phils, you of all people should understand many of these girls are not educated about STD's. Where is your concern for their freedom and liberty?
If it was my daughter, I would actually take the scissors to Mr Bill myself.
People like him deserve nothing less.I'll add the obvious. He is spreading diseases to girls that will service other mongers afterwards. He is spreading disease to us!
I would never dream of ever comparing a working girl to an animal, but
We are animals! Nothing to be ashamed of. This is why Darwin made the most important contribution to human knowledge. He finally got it right and showed us who we really are.
Kingdom. Animalia
Phylum. Chordata
Class. Mamalia
Order. Primate
Family. Hominidae
Species. Homo Sapiens
Did Ramapithecus, Australopithicus and Neanderthal also have freewill? When and how did that miraculous metamorphosis occur?
Next time you are doing a girl doggy, think about our ape, dog, and rat like relatives!
Bareback Bill
09-16-06, 22:58
I've had a chance to read all the posts related to me. You will find my response to all of you in The Fight Club in the P.I. section. Hopefully after you read it you may not be so judgmental of others.
We are animals! Nothing to be ashamed of. This is why Darwin made the most important contribution to human knowledge. He finally got it right and showed us who we really are.
Kingdom. Animalia
Phylum. Chordata
Class. Mamalia
Order. Primate
Family. Hominidae
Species. Homo Sapiens
Did Ramapithecus, Australopithicus and Neanderthal also have freewill? When and how did that miraculous metamorphosis occur?
Next time you are doing a girl doggy, think about our ape, dog, and rat like relatives!Who gives a fuck when in evolution it happened, but it did, and the subtle changes in brain structure and biochemistry that allowed it to happen are fairly well understood, however this isn't the place for revesion lessons on classification or for advanced lessons in brain function. The fact is that unless you are declared incompentant, a court will hold you responsible for your actions, if they are unlawful, and unfortunately, we live by a system of laws which are based, for he most part on the ethical and moral values that society decides upon. There's no point in telling a jury that you held up the bank because it was your ansesteral need to gather and support your family, or that you fucked the young girl, whom you bashed over the head and dragged into an alley because you smelt that she was on heat and therefore you were genetically obliged to implant her to ensure the survival of your family line, because it just won't work. If the law says we have free will, then we have it, it's as simple as that.
Bill is aware of what he is doing, and if there were such a thing as a moral court, well I'd convict the bastard-he has the choice!
Cebu Local
09-17-06, 01:05
Guys Lets make something clear I am NOT defending Bareback Bill,I find what he is doing irresponsibile,unhealthy and callous to the kids concerned,You guys on the board know me to a fairly nice guy who does not approve of maltreatment of females.BUT I was pointing out that in the PI his behavior was tolerated and When I mentioned to my staff that there was a guy running around impregnating women,contrary to what I expected of disgusted reactions,There was ACCEPTANCE of his behavior,They found it OK.What I was trying to do was point out that guys like Bareback Bill get away with it in the PI because of the Culture,
I am sorry for having offended anybody,I repeat that I personally think this behavior is irresponsible,unhealthy and callous,insensitive to the kids concerned.I personally would have this guy stopped if I could for deliberately spreading disease BUT Unfortunately a large segment of PI society NOT including me finds his behavior acceptable.Thats all guys could you cut me some slack??I am sorry for the misunderstanding,I was trying to point out out the situation in the PI that allows him to do that behavior.I agree if he was in China or LOS,His balls would have been cut off a long time ago.But He is in the PI,Now lets not give this guy with 14 posts any more publicity shall we.Peace all
Who gives a fuck when in evolution it happened, but it did,
If the law says we have free will, then we have it, it's as simple as that.
Bill is aware of what he is doing, and if there were such a thing as a moral court, well I'd convict the bastard-he has the choice!
Now Pete, please relax.
1. When and how we evolved the miraculous and amazing ability to control our thoughts and behaviour, something that we claim distinguishes our species from all others, should be of tremendous academic interest, especially to a gentleman scholar such as yourself.
2. Lawyers and judges declaring that we have freewill does not make it so. In fact, that is an argument in my favour, since they usually get it wrong.
3. I think you misunderstand me sir, I am not arguing in defense of loathsome Bill. I was merely trying to help my friends and members of the forum better understand my thoughts regarding human behaviour, and why I believe we do not have freewill.
4. Brain chemistry supports my argument.
5. If our animal ancestors did not have freewill, but we do, then WOW! how did that happen?
It is important for us to remember that our ancestors were hairy quadrupeds, with a tail, pointed ears and arboreal habits. It helps us better understand who we really are. It also helps us understand our sexual behaviour.
This is the type that ulcerates and flares up with vessicles once in awhile. It may hurt quite a bit during the flare up, so people mention being careful or resting during this time. However, even when it LOOKS and FEELS better, it continues to shed virus. So even when it appears healed up, you are continuously spreading the disease. And it has been mentioned before, that women with this need to have c-sections to have kids because they spread it to the kid otherwise during delivery. If the kids catch it, it causes blindness, kidney disease, and many other things.
Nothing funny or good about this. No room for pride or opinion here, just facts.
Guys Lets make something clear I am NOT defending Bareback Bill
I am sorry for having offended anybody
Cebu. We all know from your many posts that you are an honourable gentleman.
If the kids catch it, it causes blindness,
Try to wash your hands after sex, or if you have herpies, because maybe you can infect your eyes.
Ace Gallant
09-17-06, 06:17
Try to wash your hands after sex, or if you have herpies, because maybe you can infect your eyes.
NO..... WASH EVERY PART OF YOUR BODY AFTER CASUAL SEX!
AG
Been too busy to post the last few days and it took a while to read and catch up but wow, it seems for once we are having very in depth disscusions. Here is my 2 cents on the subject.
The whole animal thing isn't always too far off when it comes to humans the only difference is we got lucky in evolution and managed to get to the top of the chain. Being able to think and work individually and as a group is another strong suit that we have. I don't think there is one person here that can say they haven't let the animal in them loose and just have crazy sex with a babe they want without thinking much but letting instinct take over. Also in the whole argument about men, if you look in the animal kingdom we are like lions or any other species that has a dominant male with many females around. It is in our nature to have as many kids as possible to pass on our genes and in women it is naturally finding the best man to father her kids. The only thing stopping us in general is society which deems that it is not appropriate to have more than one wife. Please look at muslim culture where a man is able to marry four wives granted of course the first wife agrees etc. But said man takes his wife to a western country and the governments there only recognize one wife as his legal spouse. This is because women are no longer weak and powerless. Women feel that a man should only have one wife and therefore we see it become law namley adultery. Also funny enough women win 9 times out of 10 in divorce cases and the husband gets wiped out and treated like dirt. Where are his rights?
Now the whole freewill thing is a very interesting topic and is one that is hard to summarize in short. The way I see it, we all have free will but again that freewill has boundaries. Even if you were born in the jungle and raised by wolves you still have restraints on your freewill for example laws, morals, upbrining. Coming to a place like China or PI though takes those retraints and changes them. Being thought to be superior gives us a complex that we would never get back home. I mean you can be old and balding in the country and still get a 19yr old virgin to suck you till you die and your pension would actually allow you to surrvive here and enjoy a good life. I have talked to many people and they say the same thing. They say China or PI or Thailand etc is a place where we can let our inhibitions fly out the window and we can live in a fairy tale world but remember once you go home get ready for a reality check that will drive weak men into insanity. Thus, why many lao wai never want to leave this heaven. Personally I don't want to go back to western women, taxes, and crazy governments who think they are so self rightous. I think this heaven is where I want to stay for a long time to come.
Now Pete, please relax.
1. When and how we evolved the miraculous and amazing ability to control our thoughts and behaviour, something that we claim distinguishes our species from all others, should be of tremendous academic interest, especially to a gentleman scholar such as yourself.
2. Lawyers and judges declaring that we have freewill does not make it so. In fact, that is an argument in my favour, since they usually get it wrong.
3. I think you misunderstand me sir, I am not arguing in defense of loathsome Bill. I was merely trying to help my friends and members of the forum better understand my thoughts regarding human behaviour, and why I believe we do not have freewill.
4. Brain chemistry supports my argument.
5. If our animal ancestors did not have freewill, but we do, then WOW! how did that happen?
It is important for us to remember that our ancestors were hairy quadrupeds, with a tail, pointed ears and arboreal habits. It helps us better understand who we really are. It also helps us understand our sexual behaviour.I am relaxed, it's just for the first time on this forum I actually can say that I know more than anyone else about brain biochemistry and development than anyone else, unless some of you guys are neuroscientists. My degree is in biochemistry, my research subject was neurochemistry, my wife is a pharmacologist, so I could feed you with facts about brain biochemistry.
That the human brain has the capacity to reason, as opposed to act instincively, is not disputed by scientists, and lawyers, and I would dare to suggest members of the public.
It is important to remember, if you believe in evolution, that our ancesters were amino acids, that came together in a pool of slime to ultimately create life.
Chronologically, when that happened, or indeed the many steps that have happened in between to create human beings does not matter at all. Again, I say, who gives a fuck when it happened, or when we became aware of our responsibilities, those with a free will have an opinion, and the fact that you have one, which is opposite to mine demonstrates that free will exists.
Just give up and admit you are wrong rather than waste bandwith here.
If you have no free will, give me all your money and your contacts so I can fuck all your girls at our expense, or are you the 0.1 %?
Pete.
But it is disputed. It is disputed by me! Since you have a scientific background, you know you must consider the possibility that the other guy is right.
Here is a fun quotation from Voltaire.
"When most people believe something is true, it's probably wrong. When everybody knows something is true, then it's definately wrong."
This debate could go on for a long time and it could become interesting reading, but we are both going way off topic. If we find ourselves in Shanghai at the same time I would be happy to meet, we can drink beer together and debate this topic. Feel free to send a PM anytime.
I have also majored in the biological sciences.
I don't want to disturb your philosophical conversation about free will vs. determinism etc., but how about getting back to the topic of this forum?
I for one am increasingly optimistic about getting married to the 19-year old girl I met in China, she has included a pic of me in her online photo album and given me her home address. I just have to dig a bit longer, then I'm sure she will eventually agree to marriage.
BTW, does anybody know where I can post some pics online for free? I would like to show you guys some bikini-pics of her.
Cebu Local
09-18-06, 00:55
I don't want to disturb your philosophical conversation about free will vs. determinism etc., but how about getting back to the topic of this forum?
I for one am increasingly optimistic about getting married to the 19-year old girl I met in China, she has included a pic of me in her online photo album and given me her home address. I just have to dig a bit longer, then I'm sure she will eventually agree to marriage.
BTW, does anybody know where I can post some pics online for free? I would like to show you guys some bikini-pics of her.First of all Senior membership allows you to post pictures or email them to a senior member member to post them for you.Next question are you sure you dont want to post in the China womens opinion section???Cheers
First of all Senior membership allows you to post pictures or email them to a senior member member to post them for you.Next question are you sure you dont want to post in the China womens opinion section???CheersEveyone can post pics, just not access them if you haven't paid the subscription. But I would want to think again to post gf's pic here. A personal blog site is more appropriate. Then link it here. If she comes to find herself on a sex forum you might be in trouble. We had that discussion before. BY the way, I find the discussion of free will more interesting than digging a girl into marriage, both are indeed off topic. The forum is about finding women for sex, especially helping others with directions. Pete and Santa, that would make a perfect topic for a blog site, too.
A personal blog site is more appropriate. Then link it here.
Ok, I'll try something like that, anyway I will edit the pics in a way that she can't be identified (like coloring the bikini black, covering her eyes etc.).
Clandestine782
09-21-06, 15:02
It has occurred to me that there are REAL matchmaking agencies in the United States that will introduce people to women that are interested in husbands.
It is more likely than not that these girls want a way out of the sweatshop conditions in which they are working.
One number that I heard associated with such an introduction was $8,000. This was in New York. (Actually, this was from an episode of "Law and Order," but the details on the show were so consistent with what I know of Chinese people that I figured that this was something that was very likely based on a real story-- like many other "Law and Order" shows.)
Anyway......... I would be interested in doing something like this, because it would save me the trouble of filling out the immigration paperwork to get this girl back into the United States. And I am not sure what other option I have, since I have not worked in the States in several years and the US government requires 3 years worth of income statements before they will process the visa application. That in and of itself can be another 2 years. (Otherwise, I would take the obvious option and just find a Chinese/ Asian girl here in Asia and take her back home with me.)
Before you ask: I have talked to my family about sponsoring a girl and they have said "NO, because they are not willing to assist me in taking a non-black woman. (Can you imagine someone NOT understanding why a man is NOT interested in black women?)
I do happen to have some money saved up and could pay a fee on that scale in order to get introduced to someone who was willing to be married. Other than that, it would be a piece of cake to find someone here in Asia that wanted to get married. (It's easy to find women who want to fool around even if the issue of marriage is never brought up.)
Traveler1234
09-21-06, 15:25
One number that I heard associated with such an introduction was $8,000. This was in New York. (Actually, this was from an episode of "Law and Order," but the details on the show were so consistent with what I know of Chinese people that I figured that this was something that was very likely based on a real story-- like many other "Law and Order" shows.)
Anyway......... I would be interested in doing something like this, because it would save me the trouble of filling out the immigration paperwork to get this girl back into the United States. And I am not sure what other option I have, since I have not worked in the States in several years and the US government requires 3 years worth of income statements before they will process the visa application. That in and of itself can be another 2 years. (Otherwise, I would take the obvious option and just find a Chinese/ Asian girl here in Asia and take her back home with me.)
Sorry but not sure of your real question?
You mention 'this this girl back' - are you referring to how process permanent resident application if you marry her? Or are you just asking general question re legitimate match making agencies?
Traveler1234
09-21-06, 15:27
I don't want to disturb your philosophical conversation about free will vs. determinism etc., but how about getting back to the topic of this forum?
I for one am increasingly optimistic about getting married to the 19-year old girl I met in China, she has included a pic of me in her online photo album and given me her home address. I just have to dig a bit longer, then I'm sure she will eventually agree to marriage.
BTW, does anybody know where I can post some pics online for free? I would like to show you guys some bikini-pics of her.
Why in the world would you want to post a potential wife on a sex related board? And do you plan to post the one with both you/her together.
RLMAO
Clandestine782
09-21-06, 16:57
I was referring to meeting someone in the United States that was having trouble with her legal status and marrying her there.
Presumably if I can demonstrate employment (even if it does not go back three years), then she would be able to stay.
It has occurred to me that there are REAL matchmaking agencies in the United States that will introduce people to women that are interested in husbands.
It is more likely than not that these girls want a way out of the sweatshop conditions in which they are working.
One number that I heard associated with such an introduction was $8,000. This was in New York. (Actually, this was from an episode of "Law and Order," but the details on the show were so consistent with what I know of Chinese people that I figured that this was something that was very likely based on a real story-- like many other "Law and Order" shows.)
Anyway......... I would be interested in doing something like this, because it would save me the trouble of filling out the immigration paperwork to get this girl back into the United States. And I am not sure what other option I have, since I have not worked in the States in several years and the US government requires 3 years worth of income statements before they will process the visa application. That in and of itself can be another 2 years. (Otherwise, I would take the obvious option and just find a Chinese/ Asian girl here in Asia and take her back home with me.)
Before you ask: I have talked to my family about sponsoring a girl and they have said "NO, because they are not willing to assist me in taking a non-black woman. (Can you imagine someone NOT understanding why a man is NOT interested in black women?)
I do happen to have some money saved up and could pay a fee on that scale in order to get introduced to someone who was willing to be married. Other than that, it would be a piece of cake to find someone here in Asia that wanted to get married. (It's easy to find women who want to fool around even if the issue of marriage is never brought up.)
I don't think you need to pay that much money ($8000) to get your girl back to the U.S. What you can do is to marry the girl in China, then when you do want to bring her back to the U.S. with you then hire the people that specializes in the paper work. I have a Taiwan friend who married his wife in China, then tried to bring her to Taiwan, decided to do the paper work to save some money and keeps having problems. He then hired a Chinese firm for a few hundred dollars and all the paper works were done in a week.
Just for your information, you can not just bring a girl into the U.S. without showing that you have visited her in China a few times. You must be able to prove this to the government. So it is not like you can just meet a girl on line, talk to her a few times and then be able to bring her back to the U.S. for marriage. She will be turned down for sure. Hope this helps.
Clandestine782
09-22-06, 06:34
The problem is: I don't have three years income in the United States to show immigration. So, if there is a girl that is already there (and is interested to find a husband), then the best way would be for me to find her there and marry her-- even if it did cost me a little bit of money to find her.
Connection problems
I have not had problems connecting to this site but other sites in China have been blocked. Previously I was using the ProxyWay program and downloading new proxy servers daily. The last month the proxies have also been blocked with some websites (AFF).
Yesterday I downloaded and suceesfully used TorPark. It acts as a tunnel and connects to other networks on the tor network.
http://torpark.nfshost.com/
LA
Old Mean Dog
09-23-06, 03:25
It has occurred to me that there are REAL matchmaking agencies in the United States that will introduce people to women that are interested in husbands.I work for such an American agency here in China, I can't help you with finding girls to marry within the US, but I can certainly help you with find a Chinese wife here. Anyway, the visa application and wait is a long drawn out process. K-1 Visa (Fiancee) visa is taking anywhere from 6-10 months while a K-3 (Spouse) visa is take over one year. There are quite a few requirements involved in getting her a visa, including single certificates, actually coming here to be with her and having photos, medical exams, interviews, etc. and this does not even include the paperwork that has to be done.
If you are sincere and realistic, I can help you. If your 65 and want a 21 year old beauty queen, don't waste my time. Many Chinese girls do not work in "sweatshops" and many are not even concerned with "fleeing" China. These so called "lesser" girls are not even interested in laowai, it's usually the modern, educated girl that seeks a foreign husband.
In a city like Shenzhen, once a girl is over 30, she is considered an "older" girl and with the pressures of her parents nagging her to get married and give them a grandchild, she starts looking for a good husband. Since she is well educated, she does not want a simple Chinese man and if she has a good job, most Chinese men will not accept her. It's a power struggle thing, many men in China still feel they are superior to women. I ask many girls why they choose laowai and they always tell me they just don't like the ways and attitudes of Chinese men.
Sure, some do seek the green card and others just for money, but there are many, many girls here that seek love and a husband for life.
Talking about fees: If your 65 and want a 21 year old beauty queen that speaks perfect English, will marry you for love and not money and have sex with you on the first night you meet; I think $8,000 USD is a realistic fee. If your looking for a sincere, good looking wife, that is within 10-12 years or less of your age, accept that her English is not fluent and probably won't shag you on the first night you meet, then a fee of 8,000 yuan sounds better.
Send me a PM, if your still interested, and I'll send you my email address and phone. We can talk about it.
Good Luck!
SZE
After recently being involved in a verbal fight on the Philippines Fight Forum, I now have some new thoughts regarding this forum and Jackson's rules. I think I have a better appreciation for the difficulties of moderating the forum.
Any opinions?
After recently being involved in a verbal fight on the Philippines Fight Forum, I now have some new thoughts regarding this forum and Jackson's rules. I think I have a better appreciation for the difficulties of moderating the forum.
Any opinions?I had posted my opinion in the beginning of this discussion, but it seems no one was interested.
508619
Use a mexican accent while reading this and "crying pronunciation" for the final line.
My name is Jose Rodriguez
I earn three pesos a day
I give it to Lucy
She give me some pussy
And takes my three pesos away! :(
I had posted my opinion in the beginning of this discussion, but it seems no one was interested.
508619
No, I think we did take an interest, but we did not reply. I agreed with what you said. I think Tiger's post may have caused me to call an end to the arguments and insults. It's best not to reinforce serial antagonists by playing their game.
I'm interested in hearing the opinions of the China board members about the Philippine Fight Club. I think Jackson created it as a way of dealing with serial antagonists, letting them fight it out in their own thread. Good idea or not? Should the China board also have one?
I noticed that antagonist Dashing Don went to the China Forum to give his 2 pesos worth, but changed his mind when he could not find a suitable thread.
Juno Audio
09-23-06, 13:14
No, I think we did take an interest, but we did not reply. I agreed with what you said. I think Tiger's post may have caused me to call an end to the arguments and insults. It's best not to reinforce serial antagonists by playing their game.......
Santa, I think generally the people here in the China forum are fairly nice people, we have our ocassional disagreements, but I don't think we need a seperate thread to duke it out, I think that is just silly. Unless some of the people from other forums decided to move over.
No, I think we did take an interest, but we did not reply. I agreed with what you said. I think Tiger's post may have caused me to call an end to the arguments and insults. It's best not to reinforce serial antagonists by playing their game.
I'm interested in hearing the opinions of the China board members about the Philippine Fight Club. I think Jackson created it as a way of dealing with serial antagonists, letting them fight it out in their own thread. Good idea or not? Should the China board also have one?
I noticed that antagonist Dashing Don went to the China Forum to give his 2 pesos worth, but changed his mind when he could not find a suitable thread.A fight club is needed in those countries where too many people have nothing to do. That is Philipines and Thailand. The fighters in the Philipines are more Hardcore though. I think the China thread is one of the most disciplined anyway. Its also Philipines and Thailand where no crosstalk and quoting other members is allowed. A not much respected neither workable rule if you want to really communicate.
Ace Gallant
09-23-06, 13:32
A fight club is needed in those countries where too many people have nothing to do. That is Philipines and Thailand. The fighters in the Philipines are more Hardcore though. I think the China thread is one of the most disciplined anyway. Its also Philipines and Thailand where no crosstalk and quoting other members is allowed. A not much respected neither workable rule if you want to really communicate.
IMHO:
The China board members are well educated; discipline people and most of us are gentleman and successful people as well. Of course there is some strays antagonist that wanders into the China domains now and than, but I am sure the China board members are very proactively gunning these strays down and Jackson had also been playing the part of keeping them out. We are more united in our objective as to provide informational post rather than BS like those you found in the other threads. Having a fight club for the China board is not a full prove way to keep these strays out, they can chose not the follow the rules and keep on posting into the main threads thus defeats the purpose of the fight club. It will not only add on administration part to Jackson but also more work to us in “fighting” in another thread, adding on more time for us to check one more extra thread.
I, for once, do not agree to have such a thread in China board because I believe “Everyone is innocent until proven guilty”. Once everyone or majority agrees he is guilty, he than should be banned or confined to his own thread.
Come on… we all can play nice together can we? After all we are nicely people than “you know who …. I am talking about…..” ;)
Cheers Gentleman! Its Saturday night!
Enjoy!
AG
Ace Gallant
09-23-06, 14:24
Connection problems
I have not had problems connecting to this site but other sites in China have been blocked. Previously I was using the ProxyWay program and downloading new proxy servers daily. The last month the proxies have also been blocked with some websites (AFF).
Yesterday I downloaded and suceesfully used TorPark. It acts as a tunnel and connects to other networks on the tor network.
http://torpark.nfshost.com/
LA
That's strange, I never had problems in China on connections. Especially if you are using proxy.
I think the mian problems is slow connections instead, by the time the server responds get to you, your browser timeout. There's a way to set a higher timeout but you got to know how to do a regedit.
AG
Cebu Local
09-23-06, 14:54
IMHO:
The China board members are well educated; discipline people and most of us are gentleman and successful people as well. Of course there is some strays antagonist that wanders into the China domains now and than, but I am sure the China board members are very proactively gunning these strays down and Jackson had also been playing the part of keeping them out. We are more united in our objective as to provide informational post rather than BS like those you found in the other threads. Having a fight club for the China board is not a full prove way to keep these strays out, they can chose not the follow the rules and keep on posting into the main threads thus defeats the purpose of the fight club. It will not only add on administration part to Jackson but also more work to us in “fighting” in another thread, adding on more time for us to check one more extra thread.
I, for once, do not agree to have such a thread in China board because I believe “Everyone is innocent until proven guilty”. Once everyone or majority agrees he is guilty, he than should be banned or confined to his own thread.
Come on… we all can play nice together can we? After all we are nicely people than “you know who …. I am talking about…..” ;)
Cheers Gentleman! Its Saturday night!
Enjoy!
AGYou are correct that the China Board is dominated by Business People,Knowing many PI Mongers and China Mongers Real life,The majority of PI boarders are regular visitors to the PI who go to the PI to monger but there are exceptions Good Enough and Myself are Business Expats in the PI,Coincidentally We tend to offer informative posts.But the PI board also has people living on pensions who have "different" views on life.These people may do things we find offensive.But China and the PI are different places.We face censoring in the Internet in China and can get into trouble very easily.The PI has total freedoom and Chaos and bribes can get you anything.Chinese girls tend to have better technical bed skills But Filipinas are more GFE and affectionate,Apples and Oranges Gentlemen and Welcome back after a succesfull Philippine visit Cheers .
Cebu Local
09-23-06, 15:02
No, I think we did take an interest, but we did not reply. I agreed with what you said. I think Tiger's post may have caused me to call an end to the arguments and insults. It's best not to reinforce serial antagonists by playing their game.
I'm interested in hearing the opinions of the China board members about the Philippine Fight Club. I think Jackson created it as a way of dealing with serial antagonists, letting them fight it out in their own thread. Good idea or not? Should the China board also have one?
I noticed that antagonist Dashing Don went to the China Forum to give his 2 pesos worth, but changed his mind when he could not find a suitable thread.It is not a good idea for the China thread to have a fight thread because the character of the China thread is different from the the PI thread just as the Malysian thread is different.People in the China thread tend to share information instead of getting into arguements.Look at the peaceful threads like Malaysia or China which are dominated by Expats and Locals as oppossed to LOS and PI dominated by visitors which are more "lively".People on vacation has a different perspective from Residents Just my 2 centavos,Fen or Patacas opinion
It is not a good idea for the China thread to have a fight thread because the character of the China thread is different
People in the China thread tend to share information instead of getting into arguements.
I remember when I first discovered this website, maybe four or five years ago now, I was mostly interested in the Philippines thread at the time. Back then the posts were polite and informative. A Fight Club wasn't needed. What happened?
Will the China board need one in the future? What is the purpose? Why did Jackson create a Fight Club? Was it a good idea? Does it work? Is it a good idea gone bad?
I remember when I first discovered this website, maybe four or five years ago now, I was mostly interested in the Philippines thread at the time, and back then the posts were polite and a Fight Club wasn't needed. What happened?
Will the China board need one in the future? What is the purpose? Why did Jackson create a Fight Club? Was it a good idea? Does it work? Is it a good idea gone bad?It is not necessary as today. If it will be necessary tomorrow (And I hope it won't) action can be taken at any time.
Albert Punter
09-23-06, 16:37
I don't think a fight thread is needed here, for reasons expressed by AG and CL.
In case we will see a need for it, we will decide what to do.
Will the China board need one in the future? What is the purpose? Why did Jackson create a Fight Club? Was it a good idea? Does it work? Is it a good idea gone bad?
Why did Jackson create a Fight Club forum?
Traveler1234
09-23-06, 16:48
I was referring to meeting someone in the United States that was having trouble with her legal status and marrying her there.
Presumably if I can demonstrate employment (even if it does not go back three years), then she would be able to stay.
If the woman is physically in the states and you marry her, then you can apply for permanent status for her, and eventually she can apply for citizenship.
The application is very straightforward but will include:
1. income tax return of last 3-5 yrs so question is not whether you can demonstrate employment but rather did you file taxes.
2. Ancilliary issue is letter of support - you also have to demonstrate ability to support her, including a carte blanch letter agreeing to provide her with ALL support.
If you haven't filed income tax return in past years, you're in trouble (in more than one way).
Gualtier Malde
09-23-06, 17:42
I don't think a fight thread is needed here, for reasons expressed by AG and CL.
In case we will see a need fot it, we will decide what to do.
I agree we don't need it. I have a better idea. Any time we feel the need to duke it out, just take it over to the PI fight club and do it there. Why clutter up the China board with needless fighting?
David
Old Mean Dog
09-23-06, 18:08
I agree we don't need it. I have a better idea. Any time we feel the need to duke it out, just take it over to the PI fight club and do it there. Why clutter up the China board with needless fighting?
DavidI second that! Make Love, Not War. If anyone acts like an idiot here, the Senior Members give 'em a good little spanking and tell them to shape up or ship out.
Why did Jackson create a Fight Club forum?
Hello,
To curtail certain serial antagonists from clogging up the regular threads with useless comments and to isolate them to one thread. In the case of the P.I. board, a few individuals have ruined it for the whole. I believe that it is starting to work because most of the antagonists have little or no real info to contribute and are keeping the other threads free and clear.
Hello,
To curtail certain serial antagonists from clogging up the regular threads with useless comments and to isolate them to one thread. In the case of the P.I. board, a few individuals have ruined it for the whole. I believe that it is starting to work because most of the antagonists have little or no real info to contribute and are keeping the other threads free and clear.I wonder if in China people have the time or are willing to invest the effort to spill out all the uselss crap that made it necessary to create a fight club in the Philippines and Thailand. Some of the posts look like the poster is not even bright enough to unterstand the forum rules. So they need to be boxed. In no way does that apply to here.
Hello,
To curtail certain serial antagonists from clogging up the regular threads with useless comments and to isolate them to one thread. In the case of the P.I. board, a few individuals have ruined it for the whole. I believe that it is starting to work because most of the antagonists have little or no real info to contribute and are keeping the other threads free and clear.
I agree that the intention was to prevent antagonists from clogging the regular threads with trash, but I don't think it is working. And I agree that a few antagonists can ruin the forum.
I think Jackson created the Fight Club because he was frustrated with serial antagonists and not sure how to handle them.
It's like you own or manage a very big nightclub, one with several bars and rooms. Everynight you get some troublesome customers who start arguments and cause fights. So you decide to designate a certain area just for them, so they don't bother the other customers.
Do you guys agree with that analogy?
Well, I think that is a very bad strategy, giving them their own room or forum just inadvertantly reinforces undesirable behaviour. When we argue with them, we also inadvertantly reinforce bad behaviour. These guys love to argue, insult and fight, it's exciting and makes them feel tough, but we should not tolerate that.
I think Jackson has made a mistake in giving them a seperate thread where they can invite you in for an argument, which quickly breaks down into exchanging useless insults. These antagonists love it!
The correct way to handle antagonists is to NOT argue with them. Don't reinforce them. "Don't feed the Trolls!" They feed on bullshit and insult. It's better we immediately report them to the moderator and let him delete the offensive post. Repeat offenders should be quickly banned from the forum.
If we engage antagonists in argument and exchange insults, as I recently did, we foolishly play their game.
Don't let them ruin the forum.
The Fight Club is not wanted on the China board, and is NOT good for the Philippine and Thailand boards either.
Anybody disagree?
I have a bit of experience here regarding 'Fight Club' type subthreads/forums. A forum that I have participated in for five years, and have been a moderator on for two now, once had a special 'Flames' section, for exactly the same purpose as the Fight Club was created: because there were flames in other threads/forums, which were derailing them, the flames section was created, to let people 'vent' there, as well as to redirect all the abuse there.
Didn't work. The flames just increased, grudges would be kept from the flame wars in the flame sections, and often would spill out over into the other subforums. In the end, it was removed, and a simple 'zero tolerance' policy for flames put in, instead, which was much more effective.
My personal opinion, based on that experience, is that a Fight Club is definitely not necessary, or even necessarily beneficial. I think the China forum is doing just fine without it, and would in fact be better off without it.
The cutest and most innocent thing on this planet I can think of is "Hello Kitty." So let's just rename the Fight Clubs to Hello Kitty Club. Honestly, how long can you post nasty remarks when you know it's going to the Hello Kitty thread. At some point, you just going to laugh and give up.
If my idea is not feasible (can't see why not!), then I am in agreement with Zhangsan as to what will occur. I dare anyone to flame/fight me in the Hello Kitty Club if you don't agree!
Albert Punter
09-25-06, 12:17
Santa,
I totally agree with you.
Particularly when you say that we shouldn't take flaming and offensive reports into consideration, and consequently we shouldn't reply. This is best way to estinguish the flame.
Several times I had invited all of us to cool down on occasion of some fierce debates not to create useless fight.
Let the flamers come to China threads and we will take care of them. Or Jackson will take care by creating a personal "ghetto" thread, like he already did in case of some posters who were here to create trouble.
I agree that the intention was to prevent antagonists from clogging the regular threads with trash, but I don't think it is working. And I agree that a few antagonists can ruin the forum.
I think Jackson created the Fight Club because he was frustrated with serial antagonists and not sure how to handle them.
It's like you own or manage a very big nightclub, one with several bars and rooms. Everynight you get some troublesome customers who start arguments and cause fights. So you decide to designate a certain area just for them, so they don't bother the other customers.
Do you guys agree with that analogy?
Well, I think that is a very bad strategy, giving them their own room or forum just inadvertantly reinforces undesirable behaviour. When we argue with them, we also inadvertantly reinforce bad behaviour. These guys love to argue, insult and fight, it's exciting and makes them feel tough, but we should not tolerate that.
I think Jackson has made a mistake in giving them a seperate thread where they can invite you in for an argument, which quickly breaks down into exchanging useless insults. These antagonists love it!
The correct way to handle antagonists is to NOT argue with them. Don't reinforce them. "Don't feed the Trolls!" They feed on bullshit and insult. It's better we immediately report them to the moderator and let him delete the offensive post. Repeat offenders should be quickly banned from the forum.
If we engage antagonists in argument and exchange insults, as I recently did, we foolishly play their game.
Don't let them ruin the forum.
The Fight Club is not wanted on the China board, and is NOT good for the Philippine and Thailand boards either.
Anybody disagree?
Santa,
[...] Or Jackson will take care by creating a personal "ghetto" thread, like he already did in case of some posters who were here to create trouble.I disagree with this and would be a reason to request my money back! I am not supporting people acting uncivilised and not with respect.
Should we accept "special hooligan sectors" is stadions to give them space?
I agree with Santa, don't give them space to ruin this forum, to ruin any civilised place on this planet!
m2c
LW
Imagine that you are the manager of a large apartment building. Some of the tenants are rowdy and troublesome, constantly breaking the apartment building rules, and cause complaints from your best tenants. So you decide to move all the troublesome tenants to the same floor, let's say the tenth floor, seperating them from the other tenants. Will this strategy work?
Imagine that you are the manager of a large apartment building. Some of the tenants are rowdy and troublesome, constantly breaking the apartment building rules, and cause complaints from your best tenants. So you decide to move all the troublesome tenants to the same floor, let's say the tenth floor, seperating them from the other tenants. Will this strategy work?Never argue with idiots. They pull you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Never argue with idiots. They pull you down to their level
That's right. I made the mistake of engaging the serial antagonists in an idiotic argument. "Fight! fight! fight!" This is what they love.
While we may feel that we won the argument and fight, I think we lost the war.
The only way to defeat antagonists is to completely ignore their offensive remarks and report them to the moderator. And then hope that he deletes their posts or evicts them from the forum.
I think Jackson has INADVERTANTLY rewarded them with Fight Club threads.
Old Mean Dog
09-26-06, 10:33
Imagine that you are the manager of a large apartment building. Some of the tenants are rowdy and troublesome, constantly breaking the apartment building rules, and cause complaints from your best tenants. So you decide to move all the troublesome tenants to the same floor, let's say the tenth floor, seperating them from the other tenants. Will this strategy work?No, I worked as a Property Manager at a resort on the beach for 6 months and that strategy will not work. They will tear up the 10th floor and unless you got guards posted at both ends of the hallways, they will get bored and trash the other floors. It's better to evict them before they destroy the place.
The only way to defeat antagonists is to completely ignore their offensive remarks and report them to the moderator. And then hope that he deletes their posts or evicts them from the forum.
Yes I agree with most of your comments. Jackson is at an impasse and is experimenting with the fc. We all know that he will never outright ban a poster because of flaming (unless of course the poster flames Jackson). One alternative is to ban the poster to his own thread (which has worked in some cases). But the banned antagonists can just assume another id and continue the flaming. In the case of the Philippine fc, the serial antagonists have been identified and one more wrong move (flaming in a thread outside the fc) will give the go ahead for bannishment. This has already happened to one of them. Another alternative would be to delete the posts but this is time consuming.
If we engage antagonists with arguement and exchange insults, as I recently did, we foolishly play their game.
I was guilty of this a few times and I believe the best stragegy is to ignore them. But sometimes it was difficult for me in the case of the Philippine fc because they would gang up on posters that were just trying to post reports.
So they need to be boxed
Yes box them in, identify them and eliminate them one by one.
What is really annoying is the "No crosstalk" rule but thats another subject.
Albert Punter
09-27-06, 08:59
Oh, yes, we need a Fight Thread.
Just to fight about the need for the same !
this place is crawling with nasty dogs, skallywags, pirates, and vikings. And some folks would want to get their money back, cause it's not nice ?
imo, that's what gives this site it's spice. The whole concept of men on a website forum sharing where to pay for pussy is whacked, from the git-go. I think we should all accept that we are borderline sick and just move on....
How about putting the various fight clubs into only one Fight Club in the Special Interests Forum? Those who wish to fight could enjoy each others insults far away from the many national forums.
If we encounter another antagonist in the China Forum we can tell him where to go. Stanley Ho may be gone, but others are surely coming.
Good or bad idea?
Blacklisted
09-28-06, 06:34
this place is crawling with nasty dogs, skallywags, pirates, and vikings. And some folks would want to get their money back, cause it's not nice ?
imo, that's what gives this site it's spice. The whole concept of men on a website forum sharing where to pay for pussy is whacked, from the git-go. I think we should all accept that we are borderline sick and just move on....
What a succinct and perfectly accurate analysis!
this place is crawling with nasty dogs, skallywags, pirates, and vikings. And some folks would want to get their money back, cause it's not nice ?
imo, that's what gives this site it's spice. The whole concept of men on a website forum sharing where to pay for pussy is whacked, from the git-go. I think we should all accept that we are borderline sick and just move on....
You guys might be an uncivilized, sick, nasty, skallywag dogs. But I'm still in denial.
A few years ago I said I enjoyed the occassional fights and insults, but now I think it is very bad for Jackson's website. The purpose of the forum is for the friendly exchange of useful information. Anger, hatred and insults prevents that exchange.
What do you guys think of the idea of restricting the Fight Clubs to the Special Interests Forum? Yes or no?
Lao Ma might be an uncivilized, sick and nasty, skallywag dog, but I'm still in denial.
A few years ago I said I enjoyed the occassional fights and insults, but now I think it is very bad for Jackson's website. The purpose of the forum is to exchange useful information, anger and hatred is contrary to that purpose.
What do you guys think of the idea of restricting the Fight Clubs to the Special Interests Forum?You are so fixed on the fight club. Just ignore anyone insultive. If he repeats, he will be banned in no time. If I want to quote someone in Thailand (no Crosstalk rule), I need to move my answer into the fight club. If then my post is informative, people will have to read the fight club to get information. And that is exactly not the purpose. So this rule is quite unworkable and not respected either in the Thai thread.
Clandestine782
09-28-06, 08:53
If you are willing to share:
1. Can you tell me some things about your experiences with divorce? What was the straw that broke the camel's back?
2. Can you give me some ideas about your experiences with the end of relationships. I've been in many relationships, but they never ended because we were tired of each other. They more often concluded because my contract was up or I was ready to move to another town. Is it like I imagine, where you *just get tired of being around each other*?
3. For those of you who are married: At what point does the sex get boring? Is it two years into the relationship? Some people have told me that sex stops once you are married.
Blacklisted
09-28-06, 10:04
You guys might be an uncivilized, sick, nasty, skallywag dogs. But I'm still in denial.
A few years ago I said I enjoyed the occassional fights and insults, but now I think it is very bad for Jackson's website. The purpose of the forum is for the friendly exchange of useful information. Anger, hatred and insults prevents that exchange.
What do you guys think of the idea of restricting the Fight Clubs to the Special Interests Forum? Yes or no?
Come on Santa, I've trawled the dark bowers of mans' domain side by side with you seeking out the sleaziest, most rat infested brothels this side of Calcutta and you claim to be in denial!!!
You are further down the slippery slope than many others around here my friend, and what a ride I'm sure it's been!!!
You also love a good scruff, so there!!! ;)
Ha ha, a few good, well placed insults go a long way to keeping the real wankers out of here IMHO. They eventually say something racist, stupid or just openly idiotic and get themselves banned. It's just the circle of life, like the Lion King, if you will.
:)
Come on Santa, I've trawled the dark bowers of mans' domain side by side with you seeking out the sleaziest, most rat infested brothels this side of Calcutta and you claim to be in denial!!!
You are further down the slippery slope than many others around here my friend, and what a ride I'm sure it's been!!!
You also love a good scruff, so there!!! ;)
Ha ha, a few good, well placed insults go a long way to keeping the real wankers out of here IMHO. They eventually say something racist, stupid or just openly idiotic and get themselves banned. It's just the circle of life, like the Lion King, if you will.
:)
You are right, I'm also a debauchee. Denial is what happens when we spend too much time working. Also, what am I doing trying help Jackson stop antagonists? It's not my website.
I have just reserved a six month open return ticket to China and hope to be soon out prowling with the rest of you dirty dogs.
I have just reserved a six month open return ticket to China and hope to be soon out prowling with the rest of you dirty dogs.
Lucky dog, how do you get a six-month visa for China? Just curious. Business visa?
how do you get a six-month visa for China? Just curious. Business visa?
Six month or one year multiple entry business visas are available from major travel agents in Hong Kong. Where it says "address in China" I just write "not available" or "none". I have been to China several times for extended periods, so I guess that helps.
Plus, I really am looking for potential investments. Know what I mean, nudge, nudge. :D
You can get a working permit in China for one year extenable every year for 5 years but through me it is only available if you come to Shanghai. I can do the F visas for you no matter where you are in China if you send your passport to me. So if any of you guys having visa problems, PM me.
Juno Audio
09-29-06, 04:12
You can get a working permit in China for one year extenable every year for 5 years but through me it is only available if you come to Shanghai. I can do the F visas for you no matter where you are in China if you send your passport to me. So if any of you guys having visa problems, PM me.
you know, I wouldn't leave my passport to a travel agent in China if I think they are questionalbe. And send it through the China post.....? to someone I don't know....? now who is the fool here?
OldAsiaHand
09-29-06, 07:40
I have just reserved a six month open return ticket to China and hope to be soon out prowling with the rest of you dirty dogs.
Santa,
The catacombs and Yalan mamas in CP are waiting for you my friend.
OAH
Not a big deal, back home in Canada and the states many people send passports to get visas for China because there are no consulates in certain areas. I have collected almost 50 passports from all over China and given them visas. Not a big deal when you have no other choice and don't like to leave the country every 30 or 60 days. I can get around many of the new visa rules so that is why people send me their visas for processing.
Not a big deal, back home in Canada and the states many people send passports to get visas for China because there are no consulates in certain areas. I have collected almost 50 passports from all over China and given them visas. Not a big deal when you have no other choice and don't like to leave the country every 30 or 60 days. I can get around many of the new visa rules so that is why people send me their visas for processing.
Can one come to Shanghai on a tourist visa, meet up with you, give you some cash and go together with you to get the one-year visa? I'm sure many people would be willing to do it this way.
Can one come to Shanghai on a tourist visa, meet up with you, give you some cash and go together with you to get the one-year visa? I'm sure many people would be willing to do it this way.Now first of all, you only need to do that when you are a US citizien, because Germans for example can get the 1 year multiple Visa in Hong Kong for around 700 at Japan Travel (no 30 days restriction).
Secondly I am sure that you will have to hand in the passport to the authorities several days, so that you won't be able to watch the passport.
I know Dragon personally and don't think that there is much risk.
because Germans for example can get the 1 year multiple Visa in Hong Kong for around 700 at Japan Travel (no 30 days restriction).
Hey, thanks for the info.
A quick google search turned up this, so now I know.
http://www.felsweb.com/MSD/links.htm
6 month multiple entry visa for 400 Hong Kong Dollars, 700 for one year I guess.
Cebu Local
09-30-06, 15:47
I can confirm that He has a legitemate company that does visa services for many multinational companies.It is a proper registered company with an office and is registered to provide such services,Visit his website for more details.Tiger 1 has used Dragons visa services and While I have not used his X rated services,I can vouch for his legitemate Tour services.
Heya,
Sure you can. But you will be stuck here a couple of weeks. With the new visa laws that came into play a couple of weeks ago it is a mess to get visas these days. People from the PI and Africa are getting rejected by the hundreds while people from larger countries are getting reduced stays. What I do now is give you a working permit which will allow you to work legally and stay for one year. After the one year you send me the passport and I renew it. This can be done for 5 years without leaving China. You need to come to Shanghai the first time to do a medical check and do a quick interview at the visa center. Of course many of my clients come and go from the city they are in to Shanghai without staying the full two weeks because they only need to be here for three different days.
BTW: Thanks Tiger and CL for the support.
Heya,
Sure you can. But you will be stuck here a couple of weeks. With the new visa laws that came into play a couple of weeks ago it is a mess to get visas these days. People from the PI and Africa are getting rejected by the hundreds while people from larger countries are getting reduced stays. What I do now is give you a working permit which will allow you to work legally and stay for one year.Hi Dragon,
If you have a work permit, can you advise how you go about regarding the personal income tax. Is it compulsory to pay regardless on the number of days you are in China or you only have to pay if you stay more than 183 days in China. Is there a minimum amount where we can declare without going against the law.
Thanks,
GlenEagle
Hi Dragon,
If you have a work permit, can you advise how you go about regarding the personal income tax. Is it compulsory to pay regardless on the number of days you are in China or you only have to pay if you stay more than 183 days in China. Is there a minimum amount where we can declare without going against the law.
Thanks,
GlenEagleAs far as I know, within the first five years you only need to pay tax on what you have earned in China, regardless of the number of days you stayed. After that your world income is taxable in China. That's why I chose to have my base in Hong Kong.
Tiger is right that you are only taxed on the China income for 5 years. There is a 4000-5000 tax free bracket per month and everything over that is taxed. Haven't looked into it for awhile. Will check and let u know.
I can only relate my experiences. I've always been employed by a US headquartered company, and paid in US $ directly into my banks in the US. And Deloite does taxes for all our expats. China and the US have a tax equalization treaty, so we've never even ventured into grey areas of the laws, lest I expose my company to wrongdoings. So I (my company, for me) end up paying taxes to the government of China. As a US citizen, I am guaranteed that taxes paid to any country with a TE treaty cannot be MORE than I would pay in the US. So my taxes paid to China are compared to what my effective tax rate would be in the US ( gross minus expatriat tax credit, times tax rate, adjusted for other deductions) and the difference is refunded to me. It's ugly and I'm not that good at this kind of stuff; that's why we pay Big 8 accounting firms to do it. It's transparent to me - part of the package anyone negotiates to come over here should include tax accounting.
The expat credit is huge, make sure you are taking full advantage.
I can only relate my experiences. I've always been employed by a US headquartered company, and paid in US $ directly into my banks in the US. And Deloite does taxes for all our expats. China and the US have a tax equalization treaty, so we've never even ventured into grey areas of the laws, lest I expose my company to wrongdoings. So I (my company, for me) end up paying taxes to the government of China. As a US citizen, I am guaranteed that taxes paid to any country with a TE treaty cannot be MORE than I would pay in the US. So my taxes paid to China are compared to what my effective tax rate would be in the US ( gross minus expatriat tax credit, times tax rate, adjusted for other deductions) and the difference is refunded to me. It's ugly and I'm not that good at this kind of stuff; that's why we pay Big 8 accounting firms to do it. It's transparent to me - part of the package anyone negotiates to come over here should include tax accounting.
The expat credit is huge, make sure you are taking full advantage.
In the unlucky case that you carry an American passport which means that you have to pay tax for your world income back in America, you don't need to worry how much you pay in China.
But for the rest of us, not being taxed back in our country if we don't live there, thats a different story.
The expat credit is huge, make sure you are taking full advantage.www.nytimes.com/2006/05/30/business/30tax.html
The large tax credit is going away, eventually, perhaps soon. It is a huge topic for all expats, not just in China.
There was a young woman named Melanie
Who was asked by a man, "do you sell any?"
She replied, "no siree,
I give it for free.
To sell it, dear sir, is a felony." :D
(with a mexican accent)
My name is Jose Rodriguez
I earn tres pesos a day
I give it to Lucy
She give me some pussy
And takes my pesos away :(
How do you convince a girl to do some bare back fucking?
Blacklisted
10-09-06, 03:32
You are a fucking moron.
How do you convince a girl to do some bare back fucking?
Some do it, some don't. I was offerede it a few times, usually when you take really long and the girl wants you to finish quicker. But I do pass such offers with a "thanks".
Ace Gallant
10-09-06, 05:04
How do you convince a girl to do some bare back fucking?
You need to post a scan copy of the most recent medical certificate for yourself if you do not want to be stoned to death by member on the board who thinks that; it is pure irresponsible act to do Bareback on public domain girls.
Hooo... that's a mouth full! Josh FYI: the China board members had just finish and won a fight in the Philippines Fight club about this topic. Go read about it.
I, support these members about staying safe and clean and do not dirty up the playgrounds for all of us.
AG
Well general rule is don't Bare Back a hooker. The reason being that they have diseases that will cause us to have problems. It is for people that don't heed this warning that need the STD doctor I have available for members. One guy i knew decided it was safe cause the girl says he is the only one she will have sex with without a condom. He trusts her and then two weeks later his dick is pussing yellow crap and it swollen 1.5 times in size. So the golden rule of thumb is don't.
Always bring a good condom too. The 10 kuai a box condoms these girls use are like a cock ring on most of us and are liable to break easier than the good brands. Another reason is becuase many girls I have run into see a big dick and then say oh well forget it, your dick is too big for the condom then you think u got lucky but the chances of a surprise are highly likely.
How do you convince a girl to do some bare back fucking?
Go to the catholic Philippines Board and meet Bareback Bill (SkabbyDick) and Gayness. They will be happy to become your mentors.
Ace Gallant
10-09-06, 10:43
Go to the catholic Philippines Board and meet Bareback Bill (SkabbyDick) and Gayness. They will be happy to become your mentors.
Hey Hey Hey! Santa.... although I support you guys on Safe mongering but I don't think it is fair to say that all Catholic Philippinos are like BBB.
Having religion pulled into this forum is not healthy... now apologized for that!!!
AG
BTW: For those did not know: I am not Catholic, nor am I Philippino as Santa knew.
I certainly don't belong to the BB supporters. However, quite a few STD you can catch with a condom on. It's bit strange when people refuse BB, but do DATY. I wonder what you could catch with DFK. Probably quite a lot.
There is no question that a condom reduces the risk, but some risk is still there.
The mouth, being moist and warm, is a perfect breeding ground for anything, especially if the girl does AR or BBBJ. If you are going to do some DFK make sure to rinse you mouth afterwards with some strong rinse. IMHO.
Stay Safe - firebird
I certainly don't belong to the BB supporters. However, quite a few STD you can catch with a condom on. It's bit strange when people refuse BB, but do DATY. I wonder what you could catch with DFK. Probably quite a lot.
There is no question that a condom reduces the risk, but some risk is still there.
Blacklisted
10-10-06, 01:57
I certainly don't belong to the BB supporters. However, quite a few STD you can catch with a condom on. It's bit strange when people refuse BB, but do DATY. I wonder what you could catch with DFK. Probably quite a lot.
There is no question that a condom reduces the risk, but some risk is still there.
Apparently the risks of catching anything from DATY are very low, unless you have an open wound inside your mouth through which a virus or bacteria can pass into the bloodstream. Mouths are pretty strong at holding off these agents, otherwise we would be dead from the miniscule bits of filth found in common foods throughout the world, perhaps more so in China. This is the same as cooks not washing their hands after taking a shit, etc.
However, as I was discussing with Mockabee at 500 Wuzhong Lu the other day, I still never go down on working girls, but it's mainly a mental barrier I put up. I also never kiss them.
Freebies on the other hand, I eat the pussy, the arse, every motherfuckin thing (Samual L Jackson voice).
Yet, it's most likely the same, as the freebie/s I tend to shag are usually hardcore sluts anyway!!! Oh well! Got to have a few rules anywho.
Ace Gallant
10-10-06, 02:08
Apparently the risks of catching anything from DATY are very low, unless you have an open wound inside your mouth through which a virus or bacteria can pass into the bloodstream. Mouths are pretty strong at holding off these agents, otherwise we would be dead from the miniscule bits of filth found in common foods throughout the world, perhaps more so in China. This is the same as cooks not washing their hands after taking a shit, etc.
Yet, it's most likely the same, as the freebie/s I tend to shag are usually hardcore sluts anyway!!! Oh well! Got to have a few rules anywho.
Yes and No,
"the risks of catching anything from DATY are very low. Mouths are pretty strong at holding off these agents, otherwise we would be dead from the miniscule bits of filth found in common foods throughout the world" == Yes
"unless you have an open wound inside your mouth through which a virus or bacteria can pass into the bloodstream" === No No.... this applies for HIV and Diseases that feed on red blood cells. But there are many other Viruses or diseases that do not depends on Blood to survive. These are mainly diseases that attacks the external tissues of our skins; like warts, etc... However effect of these STDs are mild anyways.
I support safe mongering and keeping ourselves covered.
BL: I am not shaking your hand until you show me your recent blood test results and stop DATY that two Sluts we both know! !!! Hahahaha!
BTW: You can also catch a lot of other stuff with BBBJ too! So if we are too worried about catching anything, you would be wearing a body condom!
AG
Old Mean Dog
10-10-06, 03:09
This is the same as cooks not washing their hands after taking a shit, etc.
Yet, it's most likely the same, as the freebie/s I tend to shag are usually hardcore sluts anyway!!! Oh well! Got to have a few rules anywho.If your concerned about cooks not washing their hands after taking a shit, you might want to close your eyes in 99.5% of the restaurants here.
I totally agree with Blacklisted
Even if that wanker from the PI boards does not believe me, I never go bareback here with ANY working girl, that is like playing Russian Roulette! In the past, I've had those shitty cheap condoms the girls carry break on me during sex and the STD redlight starts flashing in my head now, I have learned to carry my own high quality Durex on me when I step outside my apartment (Condom's Online has great Western condoms).
Even with girlfriends I use a condom. They don't have the pill, sponge, morning after pills, etc. in China, so why take the chance of being trapped by one of these girls with a baby?
Come to China to play, but let your big head do the thinking, not your little one.
Yet, it's most likely the same, as the freebie/s I tend to shag are usually hardcore sluts anyway!!! Oh well! Got to have a few rules anywho.
Actually I got what I think is a candida infection on my dick from a freebie slu*t in Beijing two years ago. She was one of those Chinese women who have probably had sex with hundreds of men already. I just met her in Sanlitun and like two hours later we were having sex in my hotel room, I didn't use a condom. I still haven't had myself treated, since the disease causes no pain and I feel a bit embarrassed to have a doctor poking around at my dick.
The mouth, being moist and warm, is a perfect breeding ground for anything, especially if the girl does AR or BBBJ. If you are going to do some DFK make sure to rinse you mouth afterwards with some strong rinse. IMHO.
Stay Safe - firebird
If in doubt after daty or dfk the stuff to use is Chlorhexidine Gluconate. Dentists prescribe it for gingivitis but it will kill anything that is hanging around in the mouth, I guarantee.
Excelsior
Always bring a good condom too. The 10 kuai a box condoms these girls use are like a cock ring on most of us and are liable to break easier than the good brands.
I would recommend some Western flavoured condoms, when I was with a Chinese hooker a couple of weeks ago she didn't want to give a blowjob, because she said the taste of the Chinese condom was disgusting.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Yes and No,
"
"unless you have an open wound inside your mouth through which a virus or bacteria can pass into the bloodstream" === No No.... this applies for HIV and Diseases that feed on red blood cells. But there are many other Viruses or diseases that do not depends on Blood to survive. These are mainly diseases that attacks the external tissues of our skins; like warts, etc... However effect of these STDs are mild anyways.
I just want to correct you mate. HIV and other diseases do not feed on the red blood cells, the HIV virus specifically targets the T4 lymphocyte- a white blood cell. White blood cells are basically the immune system (although there are other factors). The only thing really worth worrying about that attacks red blood cells is your own white cells- and that means you have cancer and you will die.
Also, all infections do actually depend on our blood, though maybe not directly. The first law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed... These parasitic microbes have to get their energy from somewhere, and basically that's from us.
I'm probably splitting hairs here, but I just hate incorrect science. You are right, there are many fungal infections that can live in/on us- like Candida (thrush) and viruses such as the herpes virus, and plenty more that live in our mucus membranes or blood system. Genital herpes also is not mild and is with you forever- same as the cold sores you get on your mouth. Yeah, it is treatable and there are medications that will help stop it coming back, but there is no cure for genital herpes.
Finally, syphillis, gonnorohea and chlaymidia, the three most comon STIs ( in reverse order) do not need an open wound. There is no open wound inside your urethra after all. All these bacteria require is mucus membranes, such as the inside of the genitals, or the mouth- usually the throat. We have many what are called commensal bacteria living in our mouths and throat, and for the most part, these 'good' bacteria will displace the baddies and stop them getting a hold. However, if your immune system is low, you are down, you have a sore throat, your goodies may not be that capable of preventing the infection.
Yeah, it is hard to get an STI in the mouth (usually the throat), but not impossible. Plenty of saliva on your part is a good start as it will wash out anything that you may be picking up. Using mouth wash afterwards is also a good measure. Also, if you are a drinker, try some neat spirits- vodka, whisk(e)y, whatever- but it has to be neat, no mixer as alcohol completely fucks most bacteria.
Incidentally, in most states in Australia, in brothels, DATY is only allowed with a dental dam- like a piece of cling wrap over the female genitals, and I believe in Qld it is a criminal offence to ask for uncovered DATY or BBBJ. Generally health regulations are there for a reason!
Finally, finally, the bottom line with DATY is that apart from the risk of getting genital herpes on your mouth, the risk is pretty low, though there. Any dose that you get is going to be something like Chlaymidia, which is easily treated, if you know you have it, or a dose of mouth thrush, again easily treated, if indeed it does not go away by itself- natural yoghurt is a goodie for that.
I've said enough. DATY with a dental dam just isn't an option, so check her for sores, use lots of saliva and rinse your mouth afterwards- without spoiling the moment!- and everything should be fine.
Thank you Pete for that interesting post.
I read somewhere that there are more organisms living in and on a human body than there are people on this planet. So, over 6 billion! Some estimates say we have trillions and quadrillions of them!
Also, they say the dirtiest part of the body is the mouth. Don't know how true that is.
How about the gums around the teeth, which are often in bad shape due to poor dental care. Is this a port of entry and exit for the little beasties?
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Yes and No,
"unless you have an open wound inside your mouth through which a virus or bacteria can pass into the bloodstream" === No No.... this applies for HIV and Diseases that feed on red blood cells. But there are many other Viruses or diseases that do not depends on Blood to survive. These are mainly diseases that attacks the external tissues of our skins; like warts, etc... However effect of these STDs are mild anyways.
I just want to correct you mate. HIV and other diseases do not feed on the red blood cells, the HIV virus specifically targets the T4 lymphocyte- a white blood cell. White blood cells are basically the immune system (although there are other factors). The only thing really worth worrying about that attacks red blood cells is your own white cells- and that means you have cancer and you will die.
Also, all infections do actually depend on our blood, though maybe not directly. The first law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed... These parasitic microbes have to get their energy from somewhere, and basically that's from us.
I'm probably splitting hairs here, but I just hate incorrect science. You are right, there are many fungal infections that can live in/on us- like Candida (thrush) and viruses such as the herpes virus, and plenty more that live in our mucus membranes or blood system. Genital herpes also is not mild and is with you forever- same as the cold sores you get on your mouth. Yeah, it is treatable and there are medications that will help stop it coming back, but there is no cure for genital herpes.
Finally, syphillis, gonnorohea and chlaymidia, the three most comon STIs ( in reverse order) do not need an open wound. There is no open wound inside your urethra after all. All these bacteria require is mucus membranes, such as the inside of the genitals, or the mouth- usually the throat. We have many what are called commensal bacteria living in our mouths and throat, and for the most part, these 'good' bacteria will displace the baddies and stop them getting a hold. However, if your immune system is low, you are down, you have a sore throat, your goodies may not be that capable of preventing the infection.
Yeah, it is hard to get an STI in the mouth (usually the throat), but not impossible. Plenty of saliva on your part is a good start as it will wash out anything that you may be picking up. Using mouth wash afterwards is also a good measure. Also, if you are a drinker, try some neat spirits- vodka, whisk(e)y, whatever- but it has to be neat, no mixer as alcohol completely fucks most bacteria.
Incidentally, in most states in Australia, in brothels, DATY is only allowed with a dental dam- like a piece of cling wrap over the female genitals, and I believe in Qld it is a criminal offence to ask for uncovered DATY or BBBJ. Generally health regulations are there for a reason!
Finally, finally, the bottom line with DATY is that apart from the risk of getting genital herpes on your mouth, the risk is pretty low, though there. Any dose that you get is going to be something like Chlaymidia, which is easily treated, if you know you have it, or a dose of mouth thrush, again easily treated, if indeed it does not go away by itself- natural yoghurt is a goodie for that.
I've said enough. DATY with a dental dam just isn't an option, so check her for sores, use lots of saliva and rinse your mouth afterwards- without spoiling the moment!- and everything should be fine.Dear Dr. Pete,
After reading your post, I am even more confused! So in layman terms: Will I get STD from DATY?
I had met AG and if I understand him well, he is always trying to put things in laymen terms. I don't think he do not understand STD well as he told me; he have a business in supplying Health Care products and Health Drugs. Besides he is an old guard in talking about these things.
From reading both your post; I tend to be able to understand and trust AG's post better.
CB
EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the Safe Sex topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. Thanks!
Ace Gallant
10-10-06, 06:37
I just want to correct you mate. HIV and other diseases do not feed on the red blood cells, the HIV virus specifically targets the T4 lymphocyte- a white blood cell. White blood cells are basically the immune system (although there are other factors). The only thing really worth worrying about that attacks red blood cells is your own white cells- and that means you have cancer and you will die.
Also, all infections do actually depend on our blood, though maybe not directly. The first law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed... These parasitic microbes have to get their energy from somewhere, and basically that's from us.
Finally, finally, the bottom line with DATY is that apart from the risk of getting genital herpes on your mouth, the risk is pretty low, though there. Any dose that you get is going to be something like Chlaymidia, which is easily treated, if you know you have it, or a dose of mouth thrush, again easily treated, if indeed it does not go away by itself- natural yoghurt is a goodie for that.
I've said enough. DATY with a dental dam just isn't an option, so check her for sores, use lots of saliva and rinse your mouth afterwards- without spoiling the moment!- and everything should be fine.
Thanks for the detail report. But:
Hahaha.... Pete, actually I didn't meant that those Viruses or Diseases "Feed" on blood. I was just trying to make the post good enough for General reading. Let's keep in mind that this is an open forum and there are many people who are less educated in terms of medical terms than us.
Overall... I think all of us agreed that:
1) Condoms does not guarrantee 100% safe.
2) DATY is not 100% Safe but has less chance of getting STD from it than BB Fxxking.
3) Stay covered, Stay safe!
Keep them coming.
AG
Come to China to play, but let your big head do the thinking, not your little one.That is one of teh best quotes i have seen in a long time. Ahah, yes I think that bb is very unsafe now that you think of it, thanks fotr the advise.
Thank you Pete for that interesting post.
I read somewhere that there are more organisms living in and on a human body than there are people on this planet. So, over 6 billion! Some estimates are of trillions and quadrillions of them!
Also, the dirtiest part of the body is the mouth.
Don't know how true that is.
How about the gums around the teeth, which are often in bad shape due to poor dental care. Is this also a point of entry for the little beasties?AG and Santa- you're both correct. The gums thing is quite important, but I would hope that most of us take a pride in our own health and hopefully haven't got too many problems, nevertheless, it is a good point to make. If you've recently had a tooth out for example, the chances are increased.
Guys, my report is based primarily upon my degrees in biochemistry and microbiology, a wee bit of nursing, and a lot of general background reading and curiosity, however things change as knowledge changes. I actually just found a link about oral STIs
http://www.brown.edu/Student_Services/Health_Services/Health_Education/sexual_health/sti/oralsex.htm
Nobody wants to scare monger (ha!), but I think we all deserve to be fully informed of risks and as professionals should keep our knowledge up to date. I for one will try, when I have time, to post updates in the 'safe sex' section, which seems to be quite underused.
EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the Safe Sex topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. Thanks!
Thanks for listening
Pete
Even with girlfriends I use a condom. They don't have the pill, sponge, morning after pills, etc. in China,
What? The pill and the 72hour after pill you can buy in any pharmacy. The later one cost about 10 kwai
OldAsiaHand
10-10-06, 09:48
I too get lots of offers from providers for BB service. I've also even had to stop some of them in the process of hopping on without even asking about it. This leads me to believe that they are a lot of punters doing them uncovered out there. Scary!
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
10-10-06, 09:50
Excelsior:
Where can you get this stuff? Is it available over the counter? What are common brand names. I've just been using Listerine.
Thanks.
OAH
If in doubt after daty or dfk the stuff to use is Chlorhexidine Gluconate. Dentists prescribe it for gingivitis but it will kill anything that is hanging around in the mouth, I guarantee.
Excelsior
Superforce99
10-10-06, 09:59
Even with girlfriends I use a condom. They don't have the pill, sponge, morning after pills, etc. in China,
What? The pill and the 72hour after pill you can buy in any pharmacy. The later one cost about 10 kwai
Daynight is right, I've seen, and unfortunately needed, these pills more than once
in China. Over the counter and no problem or embarassment to buy them. Basically,
the farmers need quick, easy access to this stuff and it's now so convienent for
city folks, too. It's kind of crazy how readily available sex and contraception is in
China versus the USA...ha, well, another reason to love this wild, crazy, confounding
country.
J
SidTheSexist
10-10-06, 10:21
OAH,
Type it into google and I think the 1st or 2nd results gave me some brand names. Not sure about availability because Ive never been in a pharmacy for more than 2 years now.
Sid
OAH,
Type it into google and I think the 1st or 2nd results gave me some brand names. Not sure about availability because Ive never been in a pharmacy for more than 2 years now.
SidIn Aus and NZ it is apparently sold by Colgate as Savacol- I'll have to look and see for myself. It contains 2mg/mL of Chlorhexidine, which I am sure Santa will correct me if I am wrong, is a 2% solution. Most other brands I think use 0.12%
I am about to post some things I found about Chlorhexidine on the safe sex forum, including the OH+S guidelines for the sex industry in Australia, and the fact that Chlorhexidine is used for all sorts of things, even possible prevention of herpes when used after sex, and it may even have some anti- HIV properties if used quickly- MAY- ! It's not a wonder solution.
As a matter of interest, when I worked in the police lock up here, and in the prison, we used a more concentrated version with the brand name hibicol/hibiclens all the time, because we were touching horrible, disease-ridden things that pretended to be humans. It was called 'coppers cologne'! It's used in the hospitals here too, and I understand all over the world.
My limited research also shows that Listerine isn't perhaps as effective as I thought, and many thought, still, it's better than nothing. Betadine is good, but I don't think you can take it orally, and it stains the skin if used too much, but iodine based substances like that are good against viruses.
I'm not sure how ingredients are listed in China, maybe some native Mandarin speaker can discover the character(s) for Chlorhexidine, if they exist, and then you can check out the available mouthwashes.
I hope this was useful.
Pete
Old Mean Dog
10-10-06, 17:14
Daynight is right, I've seen, and unfortunately needed, these pills more than once in China. Over the counter and no problem or embarassment to buy them. Basically,
the farmers need quick, easy access to this stuff and it's now so convienent for
city folks, too. It's kind of crazy how readily available sex and contraception is in
China versus the USA...ha, well, another reason to love this wild, crazy, confounding
country.JDamn, I have never seen nor has any girl ever told me of this. Why isn't the pill more widely used in China? Every girlfriend or working girl I've been with has never been on the pill or heard of it. Very strange considering the job I am in, I would have caught wind of it. LOL China never ceases to amaze me.
OAH:
I've bought that product in Beijing after I had oral surgery. One of the brand names is Floriguard (sp?), made by Colgate. It came in a blue box. I think I bought it at Vista Clinic, but I have also seen in at Watsons. But the Watsons may have been in HK ~
Another option is to just add a little hydrogen peroxide to some water, with a little mouthwash for flavor. I use to date a dentist who turned my on to that.
It contains 2mg/mL of Chlorhexidine, which I am sure Santa will correct me if I am wrong, is a 2% solution.
Pete
Sorry, I studied bacteria and viruses back in my uni days but have now forgotten 99% of it. Also, medicine has nothing to do with my job. Pete knows far more about this subject than I do.
But I still have some interest, so here is some dangerous HIV trivia.
As you all know, mosquitoes are famous for spreading viral infections such as malaria, yellow fever, dengue fever, encephalitis, and a hundred others. However, when a mosquito sucks up HIV it is destroyed by the mosquito's own matabolism. When the day comes that the HIV virus mutates around this, we may all be in real trouble.
Is that scary? Happy Halloween!
Damn, I have never seen nor has any girl ever told me of this. Why isn't the pill more widely used in China? Every girlfriend or working girl I've been with has never been on the pill or heard of it. Very strange considering the job I am in, I would have caught wind of it. LOL China never ceases to amaze me.
Yeah, I also don't understand that, most hookers in China don't seem to use the pill. Maybe because they are mostly uneducated peasant girls? Seems slightly more practical to me to take the pill than get an abortion if you become pregnant.
Damn, I have never seen nor has any girl ever told me of this. Why isn't the pill more widely used in China? Every girlfriend or working girl I've been with has never been on the pill or heard of it.
The pill is also sold over the counter. That mean that they may get a pill that not suits them and causing discomfort. So thay stop and won't try again.
The most common contraceptive in China is the IUD, most married girl use them after the first kid.
Many hookers are on the pill but in general they trust condoms will work. They seem to have a mental idea that the pill is bad for you. The same thing when you ask them about shaving their armpits. It is all in their mind. They hear things said enough, they believe it. Hence why we get so many freebies. All you do is tell them what they want to hear and convince them of what you think and that is that. Funny though it was easier to get the girl in bed than to convince her the pill was safe. sigh....
Chibi Asian
10-12-06, 16:42
I too get lots of offers from providers for BB service. I've also even had to stop some of them in the process of hopping on without even asking about it. This leads me to believe that they are a lot of punters doing them uncovered out there. Scary!
Just my POV.
OAHThat on the other hand, has never happened to me before. Usually, they're the ones who tell me to put on the condom even before i planned to do the intercourse just yet.
That on the other hand, has never happened to me before. Usually, they're the ones who tell me to put on the condom even before i planned to do the intercourse just yet.
Is it only me, or is it even difficult to orgasm during vaginal intercourse while using a Chinese condom of the type the girls carry with them? Basically when using a Chinese condom I do them for a while and then use my hand while straddling them to cum, because I can't reach climax well having those friggin things on.
Old Mean Dog
10-13-06, 02:57
Is it only me, or is it even difficult to orgasm during vaginal intercourse while using a Chinese condom of the type the girls carry with them? Basically when using a Chinese condom I do them for a while and then use my hand while straddling them to cum, because I can't reach climax well having those friggin things on.Thats because another name for a Chinese condom is commonly refered to as a Penis Tourniquet. Leave it on long enough and you will pass out from lack of blood to your little brother. I bought 2 dozen condoms from Condoms Online and his are Western size so now, me and my xiao di di are happy again!
I recently used a provider at an MP who carried her condoms in a bottle - similar to a medicine bottle. She had them all unwrapped and put them in this bottle. Her reason being that the MP charged her for condoms at a higher price, so she chose to bring her own. This bothered me too much mentally to keep going so I ended up stopping early but my question is - what are the risks associated with this, other than the condom losing its consistency and breaking (which it didn't). Thanks.
Blacklisted
10-13-06, 05:46
Yup, I've seen this as well, recently in a sauna. I assumed it made it easier in terms of fumbling around opening packages etc. No probs with breakage.
I do agree that the girls condoms are usually cheap and nasty, and I also have probs achieving orgasm at times with them.
Try the featherlites from Durex available all over Shaghai. They are the best IMHO. Take them to the girls and just use your own.
-BL
SidTheSexist
10-13-06, 06:35
I Always make sure I see the girls opening the condom packet if they are not my own. It sounds mad, but these girls will go all lengths to save a few rmb, including using second hand condoms. Never fell for it yet, but I've heard one or two stories from close friends relating to this.
Always bring your own condom. Chinese condoms are so small my penis was gasping for air and also it covers only half.
I showed the difference to one girl and she wanted some of my condoms to take.
Superforce99
10-13-06, 10:20
Sammon's experience reminds me of my own. One of my regular gals wondered
what kind of condom I was using because it felt so thin and natural to her, much
different than usual Chinese condom according to her. I prefer using the "Okomoto
0.03 mm", supposedly the world's thinnest latex condom. I've only found them for
sale in HK and Macau, so I try to load up whenever I'm there.
She asked for one and then after she left, I realized she took two more! Sneaky
b itch! Ha ha...anyway, at 7 RMB each (buying in bulk, or they are 10 RMB
individually), they aren't that cheap, but the feeling is incomparable...like almost
going bareback.
Anyone else tried these condoms out? They come in a metallic-silvery box that
is pretty distinct from other condom brands.
J
SE Asia Joe
10-13-06, 10:55
I prefer using the "Okomoto
0.03 mm", supposedly the world's thinnest latex condom. I've only found them for
sale in HK and Macau, so I try to load up whenever I'm there.
Anyone else tried these condoms out? They come in a metallic-silvery box that
is pretty distinct from other condom brands.
J
Yes!!!! They are GREAT!!! At first, I was quite sceptical as to its safety/efficiency as its just soooooo thin and flimsy. OTH I basically also feel as if I was going bare back!
Because of this, I decided to do my own version of "Quality Testing." I was in my love-pad in SZ and after using one a couple or so months ago, I rinsed it out and then filled it up with water. I filled it to the size of my wash basin..... and left it like that for 3 days. When I came back 3 days later, it was still INTACT!!!! Hooray for Japanese products and quality!
Not quite sure if my test proves anything - but I for one feels a bit more assured and boy - I really do enjoy using them
SE Asia Joe
Ps. Johnny - your latest girl in the Zhuhai thread is a Real stunner to me. Congrats and good on you for being able to acclimatize to Zhuhai so well after such a short period
Yes!!!! They are GREAT!!! At first, I was quite sceptical as to its safety/efficiency as its just soooooo thin and flimsy. OTH I basically also feel as if I was going bare back!
Ok, I will try to get them before I go to China next time, and Billy Boy Banana Flavor, haha, I think "Billy Boy" is the most popular condom brand in Germany today.
Phantomtiger2
10-13-06, 22:20
. I prefer using the "Okomoto
0.03 mm", supposedly the world's thinnest latex condom. I've only found them for
sale in HK and Macau, so I try to load up whenever I'm there.
Anyone else tried these condoms out? They come in a metallic-silvery box that
is pretty distinct from other condom brands.
J
Yup, used this once while in HK. I didnt remember the brand at that time as it was actually an escort gal that gave it to me to use with her. Now that I see the brand name again, memories cumming back.
Definitely better feel than others I've tried (ex. Trogans, durex etc).
In fact, it was so thin , I was afraid it might break.
PT
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