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Loafer
10-31-02, 11:50
to SeattleGman:

if you are into foreigner friendly places and don't mind to pay 1000 rmb, a safe bet still is the Hard Rock Cafe and perhaps the Long Bar, both adjacent to the Ritz Carlton Hotel aka Portman. it's quite close to the Hilton. i found very little action in the Hilton bar, and also Bats can be dead if you go there at the wrong time (which could be any time). Puxi (in contrast to Pudong, which is the financial district across the river) is better because there is more nightlife activity available. Pudong is still relatively quiet at night.

Erik
11-01-02, 00:02
Shtraveller,
Personnally, my policy in China and in Vietnam is : ONLY IN MY OWN HOTEL ROOM.
3 stars hotel are safe enough in these two countries so that you never have any problem to take a girl back to your own room. And don't disclose your room number. Morover, I deal only with the girl herself, not with any intermediate person. Either she agrees my conditions and follows me, or bye-bye. There are so many girls to choose from ! For me, no ST in KTV, remote hotels, bars backrooms, appartments, etc. Because in 50 % of the cases, it hides a ripp off.
The only exception I would make is massage parlors or barbershops.
Don't be silly, don't believe what pimps say about the need to be cautious with police, etc, this is their way to attract you. I ALWAYS make it in my own hotel room, and never had any problem. If the hotel were not happy with me bringing back a girl, the reception, the security gard or the floor maid would say it to me when I pass through with the girl. If they don't say anything, it means that they don't care. Anyway, they understand that, as many customers, if you come to 3 stars hotel ("mini hotel" in Vietnam), it is precisely because you know you can have that kind of freedom there. So they keep quiet and let you alone.

DavidC
11-01-02, 05:21
has anyone used shdate??
their rates are ridiculously high, but the girls from the
album are amazingly hot

Found It
11-02-02, 04:51
DaveC
Also curious about shdate, but, when looking at photo album see some pics that have been on other sites..so, a bit suspicious. Anyone else tried this yet?

DavidC
11-02-02, 05:24
phunter
yeah man I see some of the pictures too so I emailed them
and asked them what their connection is to elleguide
no response yet, smells kinda fishy

Member #4198
11-02-02, 22:22
Re: shdate

I have had a couple of email exchanges with shdate, seems to me they are the extension of what used to be elleguide, then wild geisha. Those were fabulously run agency that provides quality girls with good education.

Some of you keep referring to pictures, but shdate only operates on email basis, those pics you saw were probably from FunInChina or China Escorts or whatever that really smells fishy. I am neither beating down nor promoting shdate. But, from what info I could gather, this looks like a legit agency.

my $0.02

DavidC
11-03-02, 01:58
goldwind
have you ever used them?
I emailed them and they gave me place to look at their
girls, ******************/shdate
the girls there look way too hot to be true

SeattleGman
11-03-02, 02:51
Thanks Loafer for the advise.

Is there any hotels you would recommend that has a bar with girls? Not knowing the city too much I'd rather be able to pick up a girl in the bar and take her up to my room without any hassle with getting around town.

Loafer
11-03-02, 07:11
SeattleGman:

well, you could stay in the Ritz Carlton, but expect it to be quite expensive. i find the Hilton quite a good deal. at night, it's only a 5 minutes cab ride away from the Hard Rock Cafe. and you are in walking distance to two of the bar streets: ju lu road (has street walkers at night, low end of the market though), and heng shan road, a bit further down to the south, with girls swirling around the bars there, though many of them not in the business. next to the Hilton is the Equatorial. rooms are similar, but it's cheaper than the Hilton. don't know though about their policy of letting girls in at night. another one is the Sofitel, they used to have a few girls in their beer bar about a year ago. the hotel is a bit run down, a lot of tourists stay there.

Open to Explore
11-04-02, 05:53
OK everybody here is my version of Shanghai, I have just returned after a week there.

Firstly the reported " Railway Station " - it is very cold, alot of people most covered in 6 inches of dirt, not the most hygenic spot - forget it.

Secondly - Barbershops i ) Behind Longmen Hotel - There are some and the girls will call you in, again it is a very run down area and not recommended - prices will be in the range of Yuan 150.
ii) Other barbershops- some others noted quite close to holiday inn downtown, from the plaza wing go the overhead roundabout passenger walk , turn right and about 50m down the road you will find a street on the right hand side. There are one or two reasonable looking things there but nothing special.

Thirdly - massage/sauna - Could not find the ones previously stated - did however find one in the hotel between the Holiday Inn and Great Wall Hotel - i think the name is Zhong Fu or somethong like that, Anyway on the 4th Floor they have a sauna/massage - prices were 500 for girl (FS) 65 for massage.
Girls are tall are very, very pretty. Service was with a smile!.
Several other massage places can be found at the end of Nanjing Road(not the peace hotel end!.)

Street Girls - If you walk up Nanjing Road you are sure to be asked by girls who are "students ", " Have an extra phone" or "offering massage service".

Nightlife - If you can wait till after the OK closed, Go to bars such as Manhattan (not sure if old or new - it was late at night) which is next to the Jazz and Blues club. Several cracking Girls there, i was offered two girls(model quality) for 600 when i left at around 3a.m.

Did not check out the escort service - prices too steep and quality of girls (even as shown on Yahoo site) can be found elsewhere.

DavidC
11-04-02, 06:10
open2explore
is this the Old Manhattan across from the hilton?

and was the 500 in the massage place for FS?
please email me at dchau1974@hotmail.com

MpfsLover
11-04-02, 06:57
I noticed that finding nice and cheap thrills in SH is not that easy. The city is quite expensive in general.

I like to point you guys to a couple of cities outside Shanghai within 2 hours away, if you have extra time on your hands. Hangzhou and Soochou. Easily accessible by train and buses. I recently went to Hangzhou, took a train, cost 57RMB, 2 hours. It has a redlight district, and the girls are much more reasonable and nice, not stuck up like some girls in SH. You can also take a bus directly from HongQiao Airport to these cities, after you land in SH, cost 85RMB by bus.

Both of these places are scenic places. HZ has the famous West Lake. You can also find many girls, after your intimate encounters, to be your tour guide the next day, of course you will treat her nice, buy her meals, reasonable tips..( tips may be waived if you will do her again that evening for a bigger tip), because these cities are not like SH, so your business is treasured by the local girls, and you tend to get much more of a GFE service.

I posted my FR in the Southern China Cities section.

cheers,

@sh
11-07-02, 01:54
Does anyone know if there are any crackdowns going on?

MpfsLover
11-08-02, 07:05
asiaheadhunter-

On the redlight district in HZ, just ask any taxi driver and they will take you there. I don't remember the names now. It is a street or two with many barbershops, some side by side with 3 to 5 girls working there. Quality varies from 3 to 7. Price range is 150 - 250RMB for FS, about 40RMB for hj. Price is always negotiable.

Cheaper than Shanghai!

Sweetkisser
11-08-02, 11:14
I found a nice little barber shop near the New Jing Jiang Hotel in Downtown Shanghai that gives BBBJ. I was shoppingon Huihai road anda bit tired so walked off to the side street and found a barber shop. I only wanteda decent massage by a cute girl. There were 3 girls working at 2 PM when I walked in. I pick one, she is about 5'1" and 90 lb with small B-cup. I asked her to wash my hair first. after that, she laid down the barber-chair and told me that someone is in the back room now and we have to wait awhile. In the mean time she gave me a half decent massage. I askedher about the price difference between front and back, she said 20 RMB in the front and 30RMB to go to the back for just massage. 15 minutes later, a guy and another girl came out. Geeh, she has a G-cup. nice smile but awful teeth. My girl led me to the back room where there is another barber-chair. I laid down and she asked me how I want to do it, I asked her about the price again for the extra service, She said 30 RMB for the house plus her tip. Her tip is 70RMB for HJ, 100RMB for BBBJ, and 270RMB for FS. I agree to the BJ since only 30 RMB difference between HJ and BJ. I thought it was too much for FS. SHe pull down my pants and gave started her service. I can't describe how it went but I shut my load in her mouth and I gave her a 7 for her technics, a 9 for her efforts, her looks is about a 6. Overall experience a 7. It's not the most relaxing place to have a BJ but again for 130RMB in downtown Shanghai you can't expect too much. I will go back again.

To @sh: I don't believe there is a crack down , at least not in SHanghai or Zhu Hai

Sweetkisser

SHtraveller
11-08-02, 15:59
JUST A WARNING:

If staying at or near to the Okura Garden Hotel do not
go with pimps or gals that offer sex to you at the front gate.

They will lead you to another 3star "Garden Hotel" full of
pimps that are only waiting to rip-off somebody.

Sure, I knew about those kinds of stories from this and other boards, but anyways for me SH was heaven to find cheap or
free pussy. So sometimes if things go well for hunting you may loose any fear and caution.... Happened to me a few days ago.

I paid with my credit card at some other place around RMB 4.000 to get rid off the pimps. Same day I called my credit card institute to make sure this will be not booked. ;)
Never, mess up with pimps. They can be very dangerous.
Make sure you will be out of reach if you dare to try some revenge :D

Nevertheless: good hunting for everybody.
These days, there is a lot of action in SH.
So do not mind saying "no" to an offer if it sounds funny.

TO EVERYBODY:
Try out "shock" in Maoming Nan Lu. It is a small bar with reasonable prices a lot of gals that wait for a pick up!
I had a good experience on a Saturday late night.

My two cents!

Shsboy
11-08-02, 18:54
Sweetkisser

Can you give more detailed info on the location of the barber shop, like to try there if I have chance.

Thanks

KJM
11-09-02, 14:59
Looks like I am scheduled to be in Shanghai on Tuesday 12th. Our local corporate folks are unable to get us into the Portman or any other 4 or 5 star Hotels. (Something about a big Tennis Match this week) As a fall back plan they are suggesting that we stay at the Wong Bo (Forgive me I am not Chinese and I'm not certain of the spelling but I think it's Yuan-Bo) Does anybody have any experience with this hotel? Something tells me that I'll end up having to go to the Hard-Rock to find something. (The last time that I was in Shanghai I ended up with some SW out in front of the HardRock/Portman. Cost was 800RMB (~100.00 USD). I can see now that I paid way too much...stupid American.

Any help on the matter will be greatly appreciated

Thanks
KJM

Ralph Kramden
11-10-02, 04:29
KJM
I was in Shanghai in August and the asking price was 800 ST and 1600 all night, so you may have not paid too much. You can negotiate a lower price if you want. I think that any girl standing outside of the Hard Rock is there because they won't let her in. She has gone there too often and worn out her welcome. Shanghai needs a good tribe of Mongolians like Beijing has in order to drive down the price of enjoying life.
I tried the Hilton Penthouse with no luck, but there was some action in the lobby. Ju Lu Road is walking distance from there. Forget about the girls in bars unless you are willing to wait until closing and buy them overpriced drinks all night long. You may find some street walkers there. My best bet was the Hard Rock where I ran into a GFE who I will meet in Dcember. If you see a girl you like, it is quite acceptable to make the first move. She wants you to.

Sweetkisser
11-11-02, 16:50
shsboy:

Can'tpost the actual address on this board but I will tell you if you email me to happyguy5438@hotmail.com

SK

Soulman
11-15-02, 18:04
Shanghai sure was expensive... I went to very upscale ktv in Equitarial hotel last night and the girls would not leave with us! It was not the money but too high class. I did meet this incredible sweet and innocent girl who looked like a shy model. My Taiwaneese hosts did translation for me and as it turned out she was from Anhui province visiting her friend in SH but she works in ktv in SZ. I offered to buy her airline ticket if we flew down together and after serious consideration, she said yes but change her mind last minute. Oh she was so so classy yet not tainted like most pros at ktv. She dressed and looked like a model. Rare in ktvs except I suppose in upscale kind.

So we went to another lesser class ktv at 1 AM and I found a cuti. Brought her back and she went thru in hurried manner and she charged 1200 RMB! But she was good. Well, we exchanged numbers and I had hotel staff call her for me and she showed up at my penthouse room the next day (got upgraded to aweome suite on top of hotel). This time she stayed about 2 hrs vs only 45 mins night before. Boy was she good... Well, so I forked out another 1200 plus 100 RMB for taxi. It was expensive but I guess it's expensive in SH. My hosts say it's much cheaper in Kunsan and Suzhou...

SeattleGman
11-16-02, 02:36
Can anyone post any recent experience at the Hilton Penthouse bar? I'm staying there in December. From the posts I read, it sounds dead but I was wondering if anyone has had any luck there. Also, any suggestions for lower cost options nearby the Hilton would be appreciated for FS. I was there last year and it costed about 1100 RMB. Still a bargain for the quality compared to the USA. I realize Shanghai prices are at a premium compared to elsewhere in China. Even the lower quality girls in Shanghai are better than the USA mid quality girls in my opinion.

Goodluo2001
11-18-02, 01:52
hi. anyone who has had the experiences could contribute posts appraising chinese girls in comparison with american ones
in aspects as follows:
1.prettyness
2.passion
3.body smell
4.tightness
5.prices

Bone is Hard
11-18-02, 22:30
Just returned from Shanghai. Wasnt on the hunt while there, had too much to do. I stayed at the Shangri-la in Pudong and decided on the last night to check out BATS, the hotel bar so often written about.

Just got a seat at the bar and a nice looking girl sat next to me and asked if I would like to sit over in a booth across the floor. We went over and she hemmed me in by sitting on my hand. Nice ass. She needed a drink as she was hot, so she asked me to give her 100RMB. I just paid 80RMB for a scotch at the bar so I figured she would return with 20 in change. She came back with her drink and some little pastry saying she was hungry, too.

She said she needed 180RMB for an entrance ticket... a what??? She said something about hotel guests dont have to pay but she does. She reminded me that she would make me feel very good. Oh as if I had forgotten. Anyway, she drained her gin tonic like it was water. Come to think of it, gin tonics are clear as water. She was so hot she needed another drink. Thats when I told her I would buy her a drink from the bar in my room and she could make me feel very good. She said she couldnt come up to the room and I asked about the other girls sitting around with single men. She said they could nt either because the hotel wouldnt let them. It was OK during the day but not at night.

Well I had had enough of that action so I told her to find someone else to buy her a drink. Got up and saved myself for Hong Kong the following night.

Dont know if that is typical of Shangra-la BATS but I wont be trying it again for a while. The hotel is fabulous but BATS was not that good.

Bone is Hard

MpfsLover
11-19-02, 05:39
Bone..

You did the correct thing. Sounds like a waste of time and money with her. You can have better fun elsewhere.

Apac Boy
11-19-02, 06:22
those fucking drink girls are all bitches imho....

their strategy is to give u a little bit, then ask for a little bit...give, then ask...until next thing u know, ur out 1000RMB and ur hands are only at the left tit...

tapioca

DavidC
11-23-02, 12:57
anyone in hangzhou right now??
I'm in town after a 2 hour bus ride
gonna be here for 4 more days

emric89
11-27-02, 11:45
Hi
I'm french and I don't know the US condom Trojan, those who are sell (by three in a box) in the street shop...Are they good?
Thank you

freshman
11-27-02, 17:00
I read several messages about action in HZ. But how about Suzhou? I'll be there in late Jan.
Thanks in advance for any information.

SeattleGman
11-30-02, 19:56
Can anyone suggest an asian foreigner friendly place to pick up girls? I'll be in Shanghai next week and would appreciate some advice. I'm staying at the Hilton and that's the only place in Shanghai I'm familiar with for pickup. Sounds like from previous posts that the BATS bar at the Shangri-la has gone downhill.

DavidC
12-01-02, 02:19
seattlegman
if you are at the hilton you can take a short taxi ride or
walk to hard rock, it's nanjing xi(west) lu 1376 if I remember
correctly, strangely, the first 10 taxi drivers I talked to
didn't know this place, so I had to go back to my hotel and
ask for the address

I was there around 12:30 and there were TONS of working
girls, but none of the girls is better than a 6, I was really
disappointed, maybe the hot ones got taken out already

Papadum
12-01-02, 09:19
davidc/SeattleGman:

don't bother to tell the cab drivers "Hardrock", you are getting nowhere with that! Tell them "Baltaman", that's "Portman" OF Portman Ritz Carlton in Mandarin. Hardrock is right at the front of the complex on Nanjing Road. (Don't go inside Ritz arlton)
By the same token, don't expect them to understand you by saying "Ritz Carlton", Portman is the name they called, Ritz Carlton is unknown to the locals.

SeattleGman
12-01-02, 21:09
Papadum -

Your advise is very much appreciated. Is the going rate at the Hard Rock around 1000-1500RMB for a short time? I recall Shanghai being on the high end of prices in China. Do I have to be careful of "drink girls" in there are they mostly "working" girls?

DavidC
12-02-02, 00:23
I never been to a beauty salon in china before so I was sort of
curious to try it out. there were some posts here about ones in
west end of nanjing rd and by the holiday inn downtown, but
I couldn't find any of them

all the damn places look the same to me, sigh, maybe next time
when someone posts better directions

Loafer
12-02-02, 04:27
SeattleGman: the girls in the Hard Rock are for take-away. surely there may be an exception and you run into a tips girl, but really not so many of them in the Hard Rock. if a girl asks you for a drink there, in all likelihood it means that she wants to go out with you. but beware: that works only in the Hard Rock! anywhere else it might be a rip-off.

Loafer
12-02-02, 04:30
and RMB 1000 should be sufficient for ST. 1500 and a bit of charm and you will have her the whole night.

Papadum
12-02-02, 07:16
SeattleGman:

Hardrock is having no relationship with these girls, so, unlike places like Maggie's in Beijing, they are not "drink girls", they don't get a share of profits. They are straightly working girls, I don't know how much they would be asking, since I've never picked up any from there because I don't like the straight business feeling.

Ralph Kramden
12-02-02, 15:17
davidc

Walk on Hangfeng Rd. towards Nanjing Rd, and as the road starts turning upward to go over the bridge over Suzhou Creek, look to your right and you will spot several barbershops. The girls always seemed willing to welcome customers, but I never was in the mood to try. They weren't bad looking.
Next, behind the Holiday Inn, walk towards the train station but then take the road in front of it to your right that takes you past the bus station. Keep going until it kind of comes to an end, and then turn left. I meandered through an indoor wholesale tea market. There seemed to be an outdoor market on the outside when I came back. I kept going straight and then walked through a covered walkway alongside a major road. When I came up the stairs I entered kind of a rough looking neighborhood, but never felt threatened. You will come to a fork in the road with an outdoor butcher shop in front, go to your left and soon you will run onto several barber shops. The girls here seemed better looking, but none beckoned me in. Sorry for the less than specific directions, but you kind of have to let your nose be your guide. Don't forget to be on the lookout for the r-w-b barber pole.

I have run into drink girls at the Hard Rock before. They want 100 RMB for a 40 RMB drink, with no change. I have read that these free lance drink girls can make good money without having to put out by just being party types. I encountered one that wanted to leave with me, so I would be up front and ask early before investing in drinks. One tip I would offer: If the girl asks you if you are married, she expects you to of course say "no", so tell her "I am single and have never been married". That may pique her interest in you and make your time more enjoyable for less.

Wolf
12-02-02, 17:17
For those interested, I got a girl for 600 Rmb on Saturday night at the Hard Rock Cafe. Name is Lily (but don't they all called themselves the same ?). Quite interesting and willing to please. Very good covered bj and nice FS.
On Sunday night, I was again a bit horny but not going to the Hard Rock. As a matter of fact I went for a walk around 11:00 p.m. after a nice diner. On my way back I popped in 2 charming girls, one called Coco and the other Mei Ling. The first one speaking decent English and a bit shy, the other one with much more limited English but sincerely gorgeous and naughty look. They proposed a deal for the 2 at 2,000 and we managed to get down at 600 Rmb for the shy one and 100 US$ (US note) for the gorgeous. We had absolutly no problem getting back to my room at the Portman. As a matter of fact we crossed by 2 hotel staff on duty who even smiled at me.
Same the day before. Note that the girl (if she leaves alone) must exit the hotel before 1:00 a.m. or she need to tell which room she left for checking. No timing if she gets out with you.
Very nice moment that I had since we took shower the 3 of us, and then played, one kissing my body when the other was suckking me and vice-versa. I fucked the shy but though she was very friendly, was I guess a bit unexperienced. The other one 9they say they are sisters) was much more pro and gave me a wonderful covered bj. I cme easily. Then the 2 made me awaked again by plaing hard on me. The fucked the cute one when the shy one went for shower. All in all 1h30 min of good time.
Phone numbers available for recommendable posters. Exchange appreciated.

Anyone tried the KTV saloon at the hotel in front of Plazza 66. I forgot thwe namwe of the hotel.
Anyone tried the massage at the Portman ?
Thanks for posting

Wolf.

DavidC
12-02-02, 18:33
wolf
wow it seems like you got a great deal, 100US for a cutie
is pretty cheap
please email me the numbers at dchau1974@hotmail.com

DavidC
12-02-02, 18:40
went clubbing in this place a few nights ago, it's called
true love(zhen ai) and all taxi drivers know about it

I went with a girlfriend, we decided to chill at the
bar downstairs before we hit the club upstairs, and
I walked in first while my friend was talking to her
friend on the cellphone outside and I was approached
by 2 seperate hotties asking if I want company, these
girls are lot better looking than the girls I saw in hard rock

couldn't try them out though cuz I was with a chick
already but someone should check it out and give us
a report :)

Loafer
12-03-02, 04:26
Originally posted by kent
davidc

... One tip I would offer: If the girl asks you if you are married, she expects you to of course say "no", so tell her "I am single and have never been married". That may pique her interest in you and make your time more enjoyable for less.

unless you are looking for a girl friend, the advice is certainly well meant but probably of not much value. a pro couldn't care less if you are married or not. if she asks you about it, she might just be running out of other small talk.

DayNight
12-03-02, 09:23
Loafer
BS! Of course if ask, I will reply how much I love my wife and bring out the picture book and show her my wife & kids.

PS: just kidding.

Ralph Kramden
12-03-02, 15:56
loafer

You get a lot more bang for your buck with an amateur or semi-pro looking for a way out of China than with a hardened professional. Believe me, they are out there. Anyway, what is the matter with a temporary girlfriend? The advantages of a GFE Chinese have been well documented on this board.

Loafer
12-04-02, 04:34
DayNight: good man you are!

kent: temporary girlfriend is fine when you have the time to find and to maintain one. but be careful: this can go damned wrong when the temporary girlfriend wants to change from temporary to steady and you are unwilling or unable to commit. been there before. tons of trouble!

robert123
12-06-02, 18:39
Anyone want to have fun for BBBJ(including shoot in mouth) and suana special service contact me to exchange information--- robert123@yahoo.com.

Ricky197101
12-08-02, 17:06
Robert123,

it seems your mail doesn't work, please send me the information to ricky197101@yahoo.com. we can exchange info.

Roversman 999
12-13-02, 02:21
hi..is this forum available in shanghai or is it sometimes blocked. Cant always access it on shanghai trips.. thanks

Dick Johnson
12-13-02, 02:26
It is blocked in many places in Shanghai by the Chinese Government.

Unfortunately.

DavidC
12-13-02, 03:34
yeah this site is blocked by a lot of internet cafes
in shanghai and hangzhou, but the hotels computers
all seem to work

DayNight
12-13-02, 11:13
On the topic of blocking:

Can't you just go through a proxy? I noted that even eBay.com is blocked.

Jman90024
12-13-02, 18:50
On my way back I popped in 2 charming girls, one called Coco and the other Mei Ling. ...
Phone numbers available for recommendable posters. Exchange appreciated.


Hi Wolf,

I just arrived in Shanghai. I am very interested in the threesome. Appreciate if you could pass me the phone number at jman90024@yahoo.com. I will exchange information once I get more experience here. Thanks in advance.

MegaBalls
12-15-02, 13:35
As I had little time and jetlag, went for an incall, organized through shdate@yahoo.com. They send you an album with the pictures of the girls. However, the girl they sent me was clearly not the one in the album, although they had the same name (Jessica). Price for full service is USD 250. The girl was late, seemed to have little experience and spoke in a terrible high-pitch american English, kind of how Barbie would talk if she could.
Her body was ok, maybe a 6, good, dark nipples. As usual in China, pussy quite hairy, covering a set of well developped, dark lips. Did not give BJ as she did not like the taste of the lubricant on her own condom and I did not have my own. Said that she was required by her service to only give covered BJ. Sex was uneventful, straightforward bang in her tight pussy. Would not go back to this service, too pricy and not delivering what is promised. However, contact making over the internet is easy and response is quick.

DavidC
12-15-02, 22:37
megaballs
thanks for taking one for the team
I always suspected the pictures are fake
when I was in shanghai I came close to using them
after I went to the hard rock and didn't find any lookers

good thing I didn't, otherwise I would've wasted 250

Dick Johnson
12-16-02, 01:50
US$250??? A session with a Mainland Chinese girl in California is about $100-120, 150 tops. US$250 is strictly tourist prices. If you're going to spend that kinda of money 2000rmb, you can go to most KTV and get a girl for the whole night.

Wolf
12-16-02, 04:15
jman

Here is the info :

Coco 138 1799 2738 Shy

Mein Ling 136 6128 1568 Cute and naughty


Enjoy

Wolf

Papadum
12-16-02, 11:37
meatballs et al:
never trust those pictures when they are too good to be true. they are all downloaded from the net, mostly Jap girls. These "blind services" are mostly not honest at all. And the pricing is really taking advantage of those who are new to China! US$250 for 1.5 hour, come on......!

Dick Johnson is absolutely right, you can "hand picked" the one you like in KTV for the whole night, even with a few dollars change!

" If you don't want surprises, don't order pizza if it's not Domino! "
Go carry-out.

Jman90024
12-16-02, 17:16
Shanghai Tea House

Have been reading a lot of this forum since I moved to Shanghai. However, I haven't found this to be reported. Have anyone been to a tea house in Shanghai?

I took a walk after dinner in Hongqiao area and come across a small tea house occupting two house on the road site. One house has a lot of girls sitting inside watching TV and the other is the store with no customer inside. Pretty good indication. I went in to check out the place.

I was greeted by a girl who's about 150cm but has a rack that's at least 38"F and all natural. OK, looked fake at the first sight but they are natural. She took me upstair into a small room. The waiter brought in tea and left us along.

She closed the door and we had a smalltalk. Very soon, we are huging, kissing and making out. Playing with the pairs through her clothes. Damn, they are huge and real and feel so nice. Put my hand through her collar and unfist her bra. She's moaning and sound natural. Put my hand under her skirt and she's realy wet. At all this time, she's licking me all over. We play for about an hour and half and she sucked me to cum.

The cost, RMB$100 for the tea and $250 for the tips. I am sure you can talk down the tips but I was too happy to care.

Shsboy
12-17-02, 18:11
Hi, Jman90024

Do you have the address for the tea house, would like to try that, you can email me at shsboy20002@yahoo.com

Thanks

Big Jaja
12-18-02, 17:27
Whats up with the hairy bottoms on the woman in SH and the stitches near the stomach. If you don't speak chinese which I don't it can be tough to work out a deal without getting ripped off.
SH is a very interesting place.

Sniffer
12-18-02, 18:42
Yeah! I would like to know where this tea house is, too. Thanks!
You can e-mail to me at: sniffer0203@yahoo.ca

Ricky197101
12-19-02, 03:20
Hi, Jman90024

I also want to try the tea house,would you send me email at ricky197101@yahoo.com, thanks.

SeattleGman
12-25-02, 11:38
Had some good deals in Shanhai last week. Happy to say I didn't pay more than 400RMB for any girls this time! Several girls working outside in front of the Hilton that I stayed at. Even got one girl in my room for 200RMB. Not bad looking, but not the usual high quality KTV type though. Most of the girls working outside were poor quality, but available. Also went to the Hard Rock Cafe. Picked up a girl who agree to 500RMB. What surprised me is that after we were done, she gave me 100RMB back!!! That was a first! I told her that I was staying for the week so maybe she figured if she made an investment in me that I would pick her up again. I was baffled.

Picked up another girl outside the Hilton. She wouldn't agree to come up to my room so we went to her place. It was about 15 minutes away. Got a little nervous when we drove into a poor neighborhood. Went into an old and dark apartment building. Some corridors pitch dark. I was thinking to myself what I have gotten into. Made it safely to her room. Inside was nice, but no heat. She gave me great service so I gave her a 100RMB tip on top of the 300RMB she agreed to. Turned out nice, but I wouldn't recommend it after this experience. Definately not a place for foreigners to be. I am Asian American so I don't stick out as much, but it is still obvious I am a foreigner.

One night my friend left the KTV bar we were at about 1AM. He told me that there were lots of working girls in the lobby trying to make a deal with him. This was on a Friday night. Probably came down to the lobby after the bar closed. I didn't personally see this (I was still singing it up and carrying on with the KTV girls). I picked a stunner at the KTV place. They said they have over 300 girls. Didn't care about the price because my host paid for it all. Looked like he tipped my girl more than 500 RMB, but I am not sure. She gave me her email address and said she was moving back to Shenzhen. I might keep in contact with her and see if I can hook up with her next time.

CGX
12-31-02, 01:56
Hello, Jman90024

Would you share with me the address of the tea house? Please send me email at qqjq@hotmail.com, thanks very much.

member49
01-05-03, 18:04
sniffer

I checked out the teahouse on Yan'an Lu which is about 100m from the juction of Hong Shi Lu to the West on the South side of the Yan'an Lu; next to the Golf pro shop.

You guys cannot miss the place if you bother to get there to scout. It turned out to be exactly as previously discribed. They have about 5 girls during the day and 12 girls in the night. The quality is acceptable for the price. The girl that I talkied to was friendly and not pushy at all. As I didn't like the environment, I chatted for an hour and left.

The rooms are small KTV closets that accommodate 2 persons but no one switch on the music. You can meet the girls there and take them out another day. I would not recommend action in house, even in the larger that can hold 4.

Further investigation with the locals revealed that the place had been on operation for at least 3 years. They must have real strong backing as they are in front of the Wu Jing hospital.

Hope you guys finds the place and report the fun. Most importantly, give your recommendation for follow up action.

Memeber49

Jman90024
01-06-03, 21:08
Thanks Member49 for posting the address. Sorry to those I haven't gotten around to reply.



I checked out the teahouse on Yan'an Lu which is about 100m from the juction of Hong Shi Lu to the West on the South side of the Yan'an Lu; next to the Golf pro shop.

Bell Stone
01-08-03, 02:12
Just come back from Shanghai, I am suprised found so many places at Shanghai you can find Girls.

I went to a Public Bath House without knowing they provid Thai style massage, one girl approched to me after I took the shower and I went to massage room with her, for RMB250, she offer me Thai style massage, I get everything I want from her for RMB250 in 45 minutes.

Went to Hard Rock after 11:00pm, there are at lease 20 girls looking for deals with man. I didn't pick one from there since I was sick that night.

Believe me, you can go to any Bath House at Shanghai to get girls to have fun with her.

Sniffer
01-08-03, 16:38
Thanks member49 and jman! No, I didn't have a chance to try the place out yet. But went by there lately. Have to agree with member49 that the place got ot have some good backing to have such an operation on Yan An Road. Hope to try it out soon!

Wolf
01-09-03, 04:39
Bell Stone,

Can you share the name and address of this Public Bath House. I am in Shanghai right now and would like to try this week end.
Any body has good suggestion for a Sunday afternoon I do not want to spend alone. I shall have 6 hours to kill and I am staying at the Grand Hyatt.

Wolf

Intransit
01-11-03, 11:29
Brothers in SH,

Will be visiting Shanghai from the base in Beijing from Jan. 17-22. Can someone give me a general idea of the current price level there? I'm looking for quality but not all-night. Would prefer to pick up in a reputable or known place, i.e. Hard Rock. Not into saunas or karaokes. Also enjoy entrepreneurial individuals similar to K**** in Beijing, if anyone knows her. Your suggestions are appreciated, thx.

Intransit
01-11-03, 11:45
Wolf,

Any idea if the Coco and Mei Ling phone numbers are still current? Is there a name I should drop with them when calling, i.e., "I'm Wolf's pengyou?"

Shifen
01-11-03, 14:12
Cheap price for getting laid is not necessary a good choice. Because all the men can afford very cheap rated women, therefore, those women are too busy to really give you a qualified good time for a traveller in Shanghai. Cheap women are just sex machine, sorry for being so blunt, I by no means to be rude to any woman. My rate is USD200 for several hours. Pls don't get panic as I am not made for every man but only those who can afford and who really wants a comfortable and relaxed encounter with a unique Shanghai woman.

You can email me to: meet_in_Shanghai@yahoo.com

I don't meet anyone who can afford my rate, brain/mind compatibility is how I decide if we will meet or not. And you should agree with me: simplicity is the key point of being successful.

Ralph Kramden
01-12-03, 04:01
While in Shanghai I had the pleasure of an extremely satisfying non-sexual experience at the
BLINDMAN MASSAGE ph 62833689 or 62830700. It is near the Shanghai Library.
The price was 50 rmb for 60 minutes. Ask for #9 who speaks a little English. He was fantastic, and I didn't realize he was blind until he was finished.
I also had an unfortunate experience in picking up an attractive lady at the Hard Rock. She started me off at the outragous price of 2000 rmb. We agreed on 1600. What I forgot to make sure of was the time. She was thinking ST. For that price I assumed she meant LT, which was a mistake. We got to my room and things didn't go very well. A lesson well learned. If money becomes a problem in the room, then it just ruins the whole experience. She had a bad attitude anyway. Stay away from Jessica.

SeattleGman
01-12-03, 08:23
intransit -

Prices in Shanghai are generally higher. This time around, I went for the bargains. I paid no more than 400RMB this time. I have paid as high as 1100RMB. The 400RMB girls are okay quality, rating about a 6-7 in looks on the overall China scale. I picked up a girl in the Hard Rock for as low as 500RMB. See my posts, I think I posted the prices I paid for each encounter. Low price did not equal poor service or poor looks in my experience. However, better looks generally command higher price (but not always).

Wolf
01-12-03, 09:16
In Transit,

Honestly I really doubt they would remember my name. About a month passed so they probably sucked about 300 meters of white sausages since then....
But I introduced myself as Wolf, yes. So you may try. Now they might remember they went together with me which might not be that frequent I guess.
Anyway, don't bother too much. Tell them you know they do it and that you would like to experiment. Don't accept the first price they will quote. Coco speaks much better English.
The 2 of them hant the vicinities of Portman hotel on Saturday late afternoon and Sunday early evening.

Enjoy

Wolf
01-12-03, 11:27
Guys,
Is there any problems getting a girl to the room at the Hyatt Hotel ?
The lifs are intended for resident guest only and apparently there is somebody watching all day long.
Could I pick up some beauty from the night club and come up easily ?
I guess the girl would know, would,'t she.
Any good suggestions for getting laid tonight ?
Anyone to join ?

Wolf

Genuis8
01-12-03, 21:01
Shifen,

I dont want to start a word war with you. You are entitled to price your services accordingly, and we have the right to look for value for our money.

The main reason you will see a lot of posts that are looking for "cheap" sex is that even if all of us can afford US$200 for several hours, it is not a once-in-a- lifetime thing. Since most of us are not affluent, we are looking for ways to extend our dollars ..... just like you do with your normal day-to-day expenditures.

Preferably, we would like to be able to afford the services of a quality lady, but due to our budget, we have to compromise the frequency of this pleasure.

coolhand1
01-12-03, 23:30
guys:
I will be in Shanghai in 2 weeks, for a 2 week stay. I will be staying at a friend's house near Hongkou Park. Any suggestion for barber shop or massage place nearby? Since I haven't been back to Shanghai for more than 10 years, a somewhat detailed direction will be appreciated.
I am an Asian American and speak decent Chinese. I promise I will report back my hunt experience after I am back, in exchange.

Shifen
01-13-03, 07:22
I don't disagree with this gentleman's view point.

Wolf
01-13-03, 09:41
Ok. Already found the way.
Just have either to go with the lady or ask the lady to go to the 56th floor where the bar is. From there you have easy connections to the rooms.
Did it yresterday with a pretty young lady I found at the JJ. The place was a bit sad and lacking of people probably because of the Sunday night. But then I found the girl and she agreed to join me for a 500 Rmb premium. Good BBBJ. A break of 30mn where we talk and joked. Then another round of covered FS.
Name of the girl is Alice.
Age : about 23/25
Great smile, smiling eyes.
1m60 at max. 45 kg when wet ( I put her on the scale afte the shower...)
Small but well shape breast.
Beautifull hands with nice red nails.
Beautiful feet also with nice red nails.
Very cute ass but saying "Exit Only !".
BBBJ = 6.5 on my scale
FS = 6English ability =5
She said she is there regularlly and would be eager to take care of any slonely soul.

Anybody has info regarding the house massage ? Any happy ending to expect if I ask it in my room ?
Female asseuse available at Fitness center ?

Cheer to all.

@sh
01-13-03, 10:58
I am going back to Shanghai next week. does anyone know of any places in the xujia hui area? How about near hengshan road? i have gone to the sauna on jiashan road before (the building with the McDonalds) but want to try other places that has good quality. I would prefer places that aren't as dingy/shady as the jiashan road sauna. thanks for the input and will post.

Intransit
01-13-03, 12:37
Anyone ridden the new maglev train from Pudong airport to Pudong yet?

Loafer
01-14-03, 11:46
the maglev train is not yet open to the public. i hear that this will take a few more months. the maiden ride with all these politicians on board was a pr show to show the world that the government always keeps its deadlines ;-)

Dick Johnson
01-14-03, 16:56
The maglev train's tracks are too short. So you save, what 15-20 minutes?

It'll be sweet if it goes from Shanghai to Beijing.

Papadum
01-14-03, 18:22
even better with private rooms......

Dick Johnson
01-14-03, 19:47
that is true...

Csun213
01-15-03, 03:41
The maglev train's tickets have all been sold out for the next few month. The regular ticket which goes for 150rmb are going for 250rmb on the black market. The first class ticket which is going for 300rmb are going for 600rmb.

Loafer
01-15-03, 08:13
the info i gave is not totally correct. apparently the maglev can be used on weekends. and it is true that it's difficult to get tickets.

karatekid
01-15-03, 18:41
Your guys all talk about chinese girls here.Is there any chance to have sex with white girls or women in shanghai.

Member #4198
01-15-03, 19:00
hi, all

1). If you can be accompanied by your local chinese friend, then hit the KTV scene in Shanghai. Generally, girls in KTVs are young, 18-24 yrs old, better looking, but be aware that in Shanghai KTVs, some girls don't go out with you (Chu Tai). So, to avoid wasting about RMB1,000 for a night of light touching and singing and loss of precious time for us travelers, I would recommend talking to Mamasan directly first to ask for girls who do the real escorting. The price is RMB1000-1500, this price is usually for short time only. However, the better way I found out is to ask the girl out after you get to know her and like her (vice versa) to go singing somewhere else (like Partyworld, formerly Cashbox, which is btw the best pure Karaoke place in Shanghai) and go back with you to do the usual deed later. You get a lot more for spending the same or less $$.

2). But, the KTV scene is more for HK and TW people, really. For people from the West, to hook up with a girl, yes bars are good place. You can try the usual spots like Hard Rock, True Love on Bourbon St., and Mao Ming Lu. From 2am onwards, I find Manhattan on Mao Ming Lu to be with most action and thus I frequent most. You will find a couple regulars there, the price range is from RMB 300- RMB2000, both Shanghainese girls and for most part girls from other provinces. This place won't be clear until about 6am, so even if you go there at 3-4am, still about 10-15 girls there. If you can stay up that late, this I find to be a better time for these girls want to be taken out to make money. At that time, music is still loud but nobody will be dancing. You will see a long line of cabs there all night long. Drinks are RMB30 for a Heineken, RMB20 for a regular coke, RMB 40-50 for a magarita. If girls ask you to buy a drink, give exact change instead of RMB100 bill in case you dont like her and want to try someone else. So, keep some small bills when you go in there.

3). online escorts like playingwithlily, shifen, anne li, shdate, etc. I have very limited experience on this and the price is about as expensive as that in US, so I would assume the procedure will be quite similar to that in US as well. Buyer beware, basically.

4). Famed barbershops. I have been to so many different ones that I can now say it is true when someone says some barbershop offers FS, but it is also true when someone says some only offer HJ. IF you are a caucasion or just non-chinese and have difficulty with chinese, I would say going there by yourself is a rather silly idea as these girls have ZERO English skills. Pro: price is good for a young girl, sometimes pretty looking. Con: higher risk of police, need to be accompanied by your local chinese friends. The one at the cross-section of Si-Nan Lu (road) and Jian Guo Lu offers BBBJTC for RMB150-200, depending on how much you like that girl. This place is open 24 hours, I go there pretty often, they have about 12 girls at night and only a couple during day.

5). Sauna. Well, people have said the Atlantic near XuJiaHui is no good, and has been corroborated by my friends, though I have not gone in there personally. Also, BaXian is a long-standing one, but back in Dec. they moved location for renovation. If you check 114, you should get their new location.

6). Street hookers, again not recommended for foreigners with no chinese ability. They are at HeNanLu and Haining Lu usually, price goes from RMB100-200 for a shot, try them only if you want to have raw sex and/or you want to try something that is not higher end just for the experience of it. Bring your own raincoat, highly recommended. These girls give you used ones, yuck!

ok, that is for now, my email is goldwind9@hotmail.com should someone want to exchange info with me. Oh, BTW, could we hobbists let shifen off the hook? She is just a girl trying to make a living in this nasty big big world.

goldwind

Chikan
01-16-03, 02:13
Shifen,
I can't believe you're still pushing your trade here. I thought that people promoting themselves was wrong here? "US 200 for several hours" Are you out of your little money grubbing greedy mind!? hahahaha...... only suckers pay you that much and that is why you always "advertise" here, hoping that some poor SOB will fork over that ridiculous amount for your over-rated services. Here's a news flash honey.....YOU LIVE IN CHINA! I mean come on! I can barely type this as I'm laughing so hard! I haven't been keeping tabs on this particular board for awhile now and looks like I know why. Long live the 3F's..!

axxx5646
01-16-03, 18:48
I just got back from Shanghai, go there every month - 6 weeks, business and of course RR. Met nice girl 21 from Mongolia, about 5' 1", 95lbs. Very white skin. She ended up staying with me for 3 days. Paid her after first night as I thought she was going but she wanted to stay. Told her I was out of funds but she stayed anyway. Great experience:

Looks 10
Body 10 ( b cup but very perky )
Service 10

And no I didn't meet her in Hard Rock. That place is the biggest rip off. More so than that Shifen gal. But that's another story.

Axxx

Papadum
01-16-03, 21:57
Please use words like f***, p****, etc. to express your emotion, such as K**** which has expressed approval by majority members of the BJ board.
There are three basic forms of marketing: positive marketing, educational marketing, and negative marketing. Positive marketing is the promotion of the products or services. Educational marketing informs the cuser of the products/service necessity in relation to their needs. Negative marketing exposes the opposing product’s imperfections, Not one's own . Any one who want to market their product/service must take these three aspects of marketing and determine how each should be applied to selling the product/service. They must also be able to develop pricing strategies with the goal of maximizing the profit while ensuring the satisfaction of the customers - value per dollar. One should not expose it's weaknesses in any form of publicity, which would otherwise dilute or neutralize it's advertising efforts.
And above all, positive word-of-mouth is the best P.R.

axxx5646
01-17-03, 01:58
Originally posted by karatekid
Your guys all talk about chinese girls here.Is there any chance to have sex with white girls or women in shanghai. Karatekid
Not too many white girls in Shanghai. There are some in the clubs like park 97 and stuff but will cost $$$. Maccu has Russian and some former soviet block girls there. Pricing in Maccu has ready come down due to economy. Should be able to get what you are looking for at 400-500 HKD.

AXXX

Ricky197101
01-17-03, 03:21
to axxx5646:
buddy, do you mind share the contact info of Mongolia girl, my email is ricky197101@yahoo.com,thanks

Loafer
01-17-03, 04:19
Shifen, please...I recognize that you are offering convenience by posting your phone numbers and e-mail. That's great for people who have no time to shop around. And I gather that your business is going well, even though you charge an upmarket premium. So don't defend yourself all the time. Other suppliers of expensive items like Porsche or Rolex never defend themselves. They cover a certain market segment, just like you, and they are having a reputation of offering quality, so their business is always good. Period. No noise necessary. But while defending yourself you are using so much foul language that it is creating doubts whether you are really as good as you say. And, sorry, it makes you look dumb. I am sure you can do better than that.

Finally, it is the market that determines the value of a commodity, not the supplier. And the consumer has always the right to choose. Market economy rocks!

Dick Johnson
01-17-03, 04:30
Originally posted by loafer
Shifen please, ....... Other suppliers of expensive items like Porsche or Rolex never defend themselves. They cover a certain market segment, just like you, and they are having a reputation of offering quality, so their business is always good.

It's a fake Rolex for a real Rolex price. Watch out.

-Dick J

Oliver
01-17-03, 05:20
to axxx5646,

Hi, I'm a expat in Shanghai and like Mongolia Girl very much. Do you mind to exchange the contact info of this Mongolia girl with me? I can give you a mobile No. of a very nice Mongolia girl in Beijing.
My E-mail: chinesegerman01@yahoo.com.cn

Thanks! Oliver

Shifen
01-17-03, 07:10
to loafer: my native language is Mandarin/Chinese. Sure, I don't need everyone likes me and it is impossible. But guess what, there are many Big Potatos (like CEO or vice-president, etc.) they like me very much, and they told me I am very sweet and smart.

Kingman
01-17-03, 11:08
DJ

I second your view on Shifen. It is so hard for me to picture an executive of an international corporation to associate oneself with such a classless individual.

There is an old saying, "One who gained recognition, seldom show it. As for those who are not worthy of such often seeks false admiration.

Potato goes great with butter. Maybe that is why Shifen loves to be buttered up and can't stand any cold reflection.

PS

I am going to GZ on the 27th of Jan, can anyone provide me with the current rate in the city and the area surrounding it?

Shifen
01-17-03, 13:55
to KingMan: 99% old sayings are correct but not 100% Pls use your brain not just follow anything or anyone. Be smart!

Skinless
01-17-03, 15:59
Dearest Shifen

Imagine my horror when I came home tonight to my wife and family, turned on my PC and saw these pricks writing you those horrible messages. Stay brave, my sweetheart as we know your true worth. Oh! I think we should watch our language, keep it at executive level and not sink to their "busboy prick" level. You have many admirers here just like you have in Shanghai. We must also keep the moderator happy. So let us ignore these "busboy pricks". Should I backchannel you (email you?). Would you reply? Would it be the beginning of something? Who knows?
Stay brave, my little Shanghai darling. And protect yourself from the bugs.

Yours faithfully
John Skinless xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

oh btw, for the dickheads who are so mean to Shifen, check out this site to see how even a very ugly TV can score. Note this is not advocating TVs as most of you know where I stand on that. It is just to say that Shifen is worth the $$. Look at www.tv-emu.com see how busy Emu is. AND NEVER SAY ANYTHING AGAINST MY SHIFEN AGAIN. Goodnight Shifen, sleep well. You other guys, leave her be. She is a precious jade jewel.

JS

Chikan
01-17-03, 16:17
Skinless,
Hahahaha........you're funny! I'm a big follower of yours on the "other thread" and like reading your posts....hahaha....
DJ/Kingman/others,
"Here here"......or is that "hear hear". I echo your thoughts exactly.
Shifen,
Hey baby! Here's a thought. If you're so hot, why advertise here? Why not just service your "executive" clients? Oh, I know, because you DON'T have any! Loafer is correct: don't swear because its makes you sound stupider than you already are. If you re-read your own posts, you'll see that you sound like an immature, whiney little whor* who needs to see her own posts on a monitor to feel important!(China brain) Let me say this again,.......you're in China baby, spread you legs and sell your body/soul for $40 US and I'll fly over there myself and give you a good humping - how's that sound? :) Stupid whor*........

Kendo
01-18-03, 07:35
Not too much talk here about the KTV scene so I thought I would add this. I tried one called Wall Street, located in Xai Jia Hui. Xai Jia Hui is a major square which has a subway stop of the same name and is just 1 stop past Heng Shen Lu.

The price was 600 RMB for the room and 1,000 for the girl, all in. Tip for Mama at 200. If you don't take the girl home the tip is only 300.

Jman90024
01-18-03, 12:08
Originally posted by axxx5646
Met nice girl 21 from Mongolia, about 5' 1", 95lbs. Very white skin.

Hi axxx,

Could you email me the number of the mongolia girl? My email is jman90024@yahoo.com

Thanks.

Intransit
01-18-03, 16:31
If you guys could declare a ceasefire for a minute, I'd appreciate some info.

What do you guys do on average nights in Shanghai? Every time I come down here, a) it's raining and b) there's absolutely nothing going on. I'm not trying to start a Beijing vs. Shanghai war--let's face it, Shanghai is a much better place to make money, and its winters are more merciful. But except when I'm fucking, I can never find anything to do.

As for tonight, Saturday night, same is true on all fronts. Hard Rock was deader than disco, two not so good looking girls walking around in front of the Hilton. Shifen, saw your photos, you're not my type. What the hell do you guys do with yourselves here?

Intransit
01-18-03, 17:04
Seattle Gman,

When you stayed at the Hilton, did you try to get girls in after 11 pm, and if so, did you have any trouble? I'm there now and just wondering. Thx.

SeattleGman
01-18-03, 22:01
intransit

I brought 2 girls into the Hilton. The one girl I picked up at the Hard Rock never been there before. I walked her back out and it wasn't a problem (after 11PM). As I was walking back in, I think (but not sure) that the security tried stopping the taxi (I heard someone yelling something in Chinese). I suspect security was trying to collect. The other girl I picked up on the street after 11PM had no problem with security (she must have an arrangement with security). I think most of the working girls in Shanghai know that they have to pay off the security in there (I think 200RMB). No quite sure how the system works. I don't consider the Hilton "take in" friendly, but there are some girls working the Penthouse bar and my friend says he got approached in the lobby on Friday night at about 1AM. I don't think you will have a problem as long as you walk them in and out of the place. One of the girls I arranged to come to my room from right outside the hotel told me that the security stopped her from coming into my room. That is the girl I posted about earlier that I ended up going to her place (not recommended unless you are bold). Good luck.

Member #4198
01-19-03, 00:15
To Intrasit:

Come on, man. Shanghai is full of action, I would say much better than what we have in US, as there are just that many more girls available in this truly sin city. If you think Hard Rock is a drag, then hit Manhattan on Mao Ming Lu, I happen to know for sure that there is lots of action there on any given day, esp. weekends starting from 10am - 6am. again, prices from RMB400-RMB 2000 depending on your negotiation skills and girls, as always in this hobby, YMMV, so my telling you the rate of a particular girl really is not that good of a guideline. Same works for me.

To Shtraveller:

Hey, man, long time no see. I thought you used to be shifen's friend as you defended her before. Hmmm.. what happened there? Oh, wish your PDA gets back alive, haha. love to have your info there. I got a couple good leads on girls in Shanghai I met last month. If you want it, just drop me a line, you are in for a treat.

To all:

I hope we can get back to why Jackson put in so much work into this board in the first place, that is, let us hobbists share info on Shanghai, not getting in word fights with one or two people here.

goldwind

Shifen
01-19-03, 03:09
to Jman90024: I am not saying you are wrong. The truth is 99% guys here who visit this message board can not afford my rate. As we all know rich people are relatively more positive than average fellows.

I am not trying to keep advertising myself here. However I am still here is a matter of being justice and self-defence.

Chikan
01-19-03, 07:13
Shifen,
Please stop already...."The truth is 99% guys here who visit this message board can not afford my rate." Somehow, I highly doubt that. The truth is baby, that 99% of us have something called "class" and "taste". That means, we wouldn't want to waste our money on YOU. YUCK! Keep deluding yourself like you are, and you'll never be happy. I am! Chao!

Member #4198
01-19-03, 11:06
hey intrasit

I went to read your post in Beijing section, I feel for you, man (with all good intention), :-)

hey, instead of watching HBO, if you want, I can give you some contacts, price about RMB800-1000 overnight. if you are interested, contact me.

goldwind

Intransit
01-19-03, 12:39
Goldwind,

Rock me roll me dude. E-mail me at intransit2003@yahoo.com. I'd especially appreciate anyone who can meet me in the afternoon, I'm fairly busy in the evenings but more free during the day. Thanks very much.

Apac Boy
01-19-03, 23:32
Tangzhen,
if u choose to follow that advice, goto any disco and u'll find lots of gurlz there that will want u to buy them drinks. after u spent 500rmb, u'll cop a few feels here and there and dat would be the extent of it.

if u speak mandarin, just ask any taxi driver to take u to "massage" places with pretty gurlz. i've gone to a couple of those when i was there (i didn't partake, just went in to check out the merchandise) and they were both in unmarked buildings with shady people patrolling outside..

tapioca

Lucky888
01-20-03, 17:47
Suzhou ?

Anyone had any good experience in Suzhou? It is after all home to "the most beautiful women of China" according to ancient Chinese legend. Unfortunately, my experience is that it's a very sleepy (no late nights) and 'clean' town. Heck, even ladies' night at hotel bars draw pretty small (and old) crowds...

Where to find some play?

Help appreciated and if I find anything new there tomorrow night, I'll report back.

axxx5646
01-20-03, 19:39
Originally posted by asiaheadhunter
to: axxx5646

Could I get the number for the Mongolian girl also, I have numbers of other girls here in Shanghai for exchange.

please send to: asiaheadhunter@yahoo.com To those who asked for digits I'm willing to trade. Email me at axxx5646@yahoo.com.

Axx

Jman90024
01-20-03, 21:22
Finding dates in Shanghai?

Guys, thanks for all the information on where to get laid in Shanghai. I have a lot of fun following some of the leads. Thanks again.

Now my question is where you could find dates. I don't mean for sex. Someone to go out for dinner and movies. I need to exercise the romantic side of the brain once a while. Can anyone recommend good places to meet women who can carry out intelligent conversations and maybe spark a bit romance?

Thanks.

jman

AsiaTraveler2
01-21-03, 08:45
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dick Johnson
Just ask your cabbie to take you to a KTV. Even those girls at Mao Ming Lu or Ju Lu Lu are better looking, younger. Asian dudes esp with friends check out the KTVs.

Dick/Others;
Hate to sound ignorant, but what exactly are the KTV's. I travel alot to Japan, Korea, and Thailand and know the asian scene fairly well. I probably know what it is, but having brain lock on this one. Would appreciate the info. Thanks!

pekingdog
01-21-03, 17:11
To Asiatraveler2:

KTV=Karaoke place

If you find a good one, please be a good citizen of WSG Forum, and post the address of the place and details. Best of luck to you, and hope you have many good times to tell us about.

Papadum
01-21-03, 20:10
Asiatraveller2: Re KTV
KTV is originated from Taiwan, stands for "Karaoke" the biggest operator there is "Cash Box KTV" with many outlets (They are changing their name to Cash Box Partyworld' Now), Karaoke was originated from Japan, the meaning of this Japanese word is "empty Orchestra". What we have now is called "Karaoke Box" - individul private rooms instead of a big open area which was the original form. The "real" Karaoke Box is really for singing along with music-minus-one, and no girls for hire. A decent past time activity among friends. What people here refering to is a "Karaoke-box-gone-wrong". Patrons go there not for singing but to fool around with girls supplied there and pay a tip. You choose the girl you like and you are not forced to take any particular one.
Please be reminded that, don't mix up these KTV with the real ones such as Cash Box(they are in Shanghai and Beijing already). You would end up disappointed otherwise.
I would suggest Magnolia in Shanghai if you are looking for girls (xiao jie) for fun, they have 200-300 girls, don't open your mouth, yes it's almost 300 girls. Many of these girls are beautiful. There is a even higher end one where almost all girls are beautiful. I mean tall and slim, pretty face..... but remember, all of them are available for hire to drink and chat with you inside the Karaoke but not all of them will go out with you. Especially the real Shanghai girls.

Jman90024
01-21-03, 21:03
Be careful before the Chinese New Year

Just came back from the tea house in Hongqiao [see my previous post]. I somehow become a regular. The chicks there are fun to hang out and no rush. Good place to check out.

I heard from the girls there that polices are cracking down on these establishment before Chinese New Year. It's best to avoid the establishments like tea houses and barber shops before the Chinese New Year.

Happy New Year to everyone on the board.

AsiaTraveler2
01-22-03, 01:06
papadum/pekingdog;

Thanks for the info. I thought it referred to the Karaoke places, but beyond the K (Karaoke) .. not sure how the TV is derived. Oh well .. not important. At least I know what you are referring to. I travel to Japan alot, so I'm familiar with Karaoke. I'm surprised at the high cost of our hobby in Shanghai, though. While the City is developing quite rapidly, the amount of money being charged is alot relative to the standard wages in the city.

Dick Johnson
01-22-03, 03:50
Asiatraveller you asked me earlier about KTV, since papadum did a pretty good explanation, I will only answer your second question.

The 'TV' part was derived from 'MTV'. Taiwan used to have places called MTV where you can rent boothes and watch music videos with your friends. That evolved and they added microphones etc and usually Asian people go there to sing. Cashbox and Holiday are the two of the big chains in Taiwan. They are both 'legit'(no female company).

Joeyt
01-23-03, 17:38
i would back up Papadum's take on golden magnolia... damn, there are a LOT of girls there! the trick is get there reasonably early and hope you have a good mama-san who will bring the hotties. Been there on numerous occasions... funny thing is that sometimes the waitress (xiao mei) in the room are even cuter! generally speaking they won't put out the first time they go out with you outside of the joint... however, by the 2nd time... you should see action. a word of warning though... try and avoid the shanghainese girls in this place... they have an incredible bad ass attitude. also, the next couple of weeks most of the girls will head back home for CNY... so, instead of 200-300 girls to choose from...will only get half that...

pekingdog
01-24-03, 18:00
Guys in Shanghai, last time I was around Julu Lu, it looked like there was a healthy streetwalking scene there. Besides the Hard Rock Cafe, sleazy barbershops and karaoke places, what's a guy based in Beijing to do when he comes down to Shanghai.

If anyone can offer more inormation on Julu Lu or other bar-like places to pick up hotties, please share!

Westex
01-24-03, 19:17
You can't miss in the bars on Mao Ming Lu--Woodstock, Nelly's, and others. Just returned from Shanghai and was surprised at the number of beautiful women who approached outside and in the bar--some looking for money at the end, some just looking for fun. I had a temporary girlfriend spend several nights at the hotel, at less than $100US a pop. My travel partner, who's better looking and speaks decent Chinese, was practically fighting them off with a stick.

what a great city...and the girls are just the beginning.

Intransit
01-25-03, 03:33
Westex,

At which one of those bars did you guys have the best luck?

Westex
01-27-03, 18:00
Those mentioned, plus Manhattan...but it's all good. You won't need a lot of luck.

Jman90024
01-28-03, 17:11
Originally posted by joeyt
i would back up Papadum's take on golden magnolia...

I have to second joeyt on Golden Magnolia. They have at most 400 girls working there a while ago but the number came down when they change the management. Lots of cutties there.

However, among the KTVs in Shanghai, Golden Magnolia runs more strictly and you are not likely to get girls to go back with you. Girls there are more tactical then girls in usual KTVs in Shanghai.

This a list of KTVs compiled by Taiwanese hobbists in Shanghai. For those who frequent these place, please check it and update the list, especially their English name.

Hongqiao area:

- Xing Guan Chan Lan (Starlight?)
- Zhi Hua Shi

Girls: 100+
Room charge: RMB 800~1000
Tips: RMB 300
Note: not likely to get action the first time. Talk to mamasan if that's what you have in mind before picking the girl.

- Tian Shang Ren Jian (Heaven on Earth?)

Girls: ??
Room: RMB 500 ~
Tips: RMB 200

- Tong Mu Shen (Thompson?)

Girls: ??
Room: RMB 600 ~
Tips: RMB 200
Note: $800 for short and $1000 for overnight, Mostly girls from North-East.

Will translate the rest of the list later.

River146
01-31-03, 20:37
Hongqiao area:

- Xing Guan Chan Lan (Starlight?)
- Zhi Hua Shi

Girls: 100+
Room charge: RMB 800~1000
Tips: RMB 300
Note: not likely to get action the first time. Talk to mamasan if that's what you have in mind before picking the girl.

- Tian Shang Ren Jian (Heaven on Earth?)

Girls: ??
Room: RMB 500 ~
Tips: RMB 200

- Tong Mu Shen (Thompson?)

Girls: ??
Room: RMB 600 ~
Tips: RMB 200
Note: $800 for short and $1000 for overnight, Mostly girls from North-East.


I don't believe the room charge fee you list at here. Shanghai is my home town and I come back evry year, and never reach the price such high. in my experience the room fee for KTV should be about RMB200. You guys may be fall in some trick. you absolutly can bargain with them.

River146
01-31-03, 20:49
I post this just want to save you rmaney!

I think you may fall in some trick if you paid the room charge fee for KTV such as jman90024 listed in his post. Shanghai is my home town and I come back there every year. I never paid such high for KTV room charge. it should be about RMB200. you should bargain with them (it should easier if you can speak Shanghainese or bring some one who can). In generally say, in Shanghai you must know how to bargain. you always get surprise for the results:)

Dick Johnson
02-01-03, 08:12
Perhaps river is right, however there are different room sizes and diff venues... from hi class to lo class....

DavidC
02-01-03, 10:24
man I don't know about the ktv prices cuz I've never been in
one in shanghai, but one thing I found out when I was back there is that you can haggle the taxi prices too!!
I never did that, but one time I was riding with my sh friend
and she wanted 40% discount!! they finally settled on
70% discount after a while

so I guess river might have a point here, you could bargain everything in shanghai

Jman90024
02-01-03, 11:00
Originally posted by river146
I post this just want to save you rmaney!

I think you may fall in some trick if you paid the room charge fee for KTV such as jman90024 listed in his post. Shanghai is my home town and I come back there every year. I never paid such high for KTV room charge. it should be about RMB200. you should bargain with them (it should easier if you can speak Shanghainese or bring some one who can). In generally say, in Shanghai you must know how to bargain. you always get surprise for the results:)

Thanks river.

I think the room charge also includes the drinks. It should be minimum charge including room and drinks instead of just room charge. KTV isn't my favorites. Went a few times but never paid for it myself.

Also, those KTVs catered to Taiwanese do charge more then usual. A friend of an associate once even offered a girl in KTV like RMB5000 to take her home for the night and got turned down.

But you definitely have a point. You must bargain everywhere you go in Shanghai. I was surprised to learn that one can even bargain in a department store.

Papadum
02-01-03, 11:34
IMHO, jman's info on rates are more or less correct.
River146, even though you are a local, you pay ththe same at those particular establisments. The low rates you are referring to may be for the KTVs catered for the local locals. I've been to one at rmb300 a room but not the same thing....

Dick Johnson
02-02-03, 05:29
The discount on Taxis must be over a certain distance, I don't think they give discounts for short rides. On a pretty long ride I haggled and got just a bit of discount . Shanghai's taxi's are pretty expensive compared to some other cities in China, esp. since you can go quite a bit of distance easily.

karatekid
02-02-03, 23:45
Originally posted by axxx5646
Karatekid
Not too many white girls in Shanghai. There are some in the clubs like park 97 and stuff but will cost $$$. Maccu has Russian and some former soviet block girls there. Pricing in Maccu has ready come down due to economy. Should be able to get what you are looking for at 400-500 HKD.

AXXX Thank you for your information."maccu",do you mean "macao"?If it is,that is too far for me.Park97,I have been there several times,but i didn't see any actions there.I mean with white girls.Do you have any information in details?And do you think 1000RMB will be able to get one?Same question to the others.

Thanks

fineplay
02-04-03, 10:13
Yes, you are right. I deleted it.

fineplay
02-05-03, 08:19
Dick Johnson,

Obviously you frequent that site as well. I was one of the few originals posting ad there. But it was done on the magazine before there was a website. My first ad was very simple and well intended without evil intensions. I had many girlfriends from the past. Nowadays, the ads are terrible, too bold, and commercial. But I must admit, it works for both sides. You should see how the girls place their ads too. As a matter of fact, I spend alot more $$$ this way. I usually take the girls travelling as far as Europe, Asia and other parts of China in grand style. Some are still friends of mine after several years because they know I am a nice guy to them although they know I cannot be with just one woman. Some have accepted that and maintain continuous relationship with me. Some are in Europe, the States, Australia, Asia and of course Shanghai. But I have all the fun and satisfaction that most people cannot get. I know I am in a different situation. It is a good thing and I should keep it to myself. If you know Shanghai as well as I do, we could exchange some pointers in private emails.

Regards,

Fineplay

Dick Johnson
02-06-03, 02:35
richard_johnson@angelfire.com
Anyone can email me.

Insider001
02-07-03, 09:45
Just saw a post about a guy's experience with shdate. Of course they use fake pictures (the first picture in their advertisement on A1-escort.com is the famous Korean She-male who was originally a man turned into a woman by operation, but she DOES look stunning!!).

ShDate: all fake pics
Orientbeauty.com: all fake pics (be careful, this is the real rip-off because they need a deposit by Paypal!!)
funinchina.com: mostly real pics

Tip: Pay after you see the girl. Be cautious when requested to pay a deposit.

KJM
02-08-03, 04:19
Looks like I'll be in Hangzhou for at least 2-3 weeks. Current plans are to stay in the Shangri-La along West Lake. I stayed here once before (August, Last year) but did not see any local ladies in the lobby. Advice/Suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks

KJM

BlnkNameCruiser
02-10-03, 04:25
KJM,
I have enjoyed Hangzhou women, I found the barber shop girls are nice and allow touching and HJ for about 60-70 rmb to the house and 50-100 tip. over-all pretty good deal.
Also in the zhe jiang hotel in the center of town there is a spa that has massage, etc . I ordered a massage, had to wait a bit, then they bring you into a room with big screen TV and serve you juice and snacks. I was getting annoyed because I was not sure I made clear that I wanted a massage and was worried all this might bring up the bill, then the brought me into a room and the georgeous young girl came in to massage me. she did a good job and slowly eventually worked to my groin. she got her hands on it and I began to touch her. She moved us to a bigger table and we did all forms of foreplay, no rush to get me off, I ate her, and had a great time except she would not do FS. He got me off though and since her attitude was so great it was well worth the 400 RMB tip.

AsiaTraveler2
02-10-03, 05:52
Guys;

For those who have experienced both Beijing and Shanghai, which would you recommend. Rate both the mongering and other things (general night life / tourist things). I like to get alittle of both. Look forward to your expertise on this subject!

SeattleGman
02-10-03, 08:09
Asiatraveler2

Both are great cities. Beijing is obviously more culturally enrichining, and girls can be had for a little cheaper in general. Shanghai is more expensive, but there is a vast range of girls to choose from, both on the looks and price scale. However, Beijing has the Mongolians (from good to bad) who you can read about in the Beijing board section. Shanghai is certainly great for night life. I am a little biased because I had a host in Shanghai, while I was on my own in Beijing. I think if you browse what has been written thus far you will find the info you are looking for. You will have a great time in both places if you do your research! Have a good time.

BlnkNameCruiser
02-10-03, 10:32
Can someone tell me where I can find the local street walkers in Shanghai? I have found them in Beijing, but never been longer than one day at a time in Shanghai and I will be going there for extended period soon.

Also any of the more far out hair salons offer FS? I have yet to get FS from a hair salon in Beijing or other smaller cities I have been to.

Thanks!

DavidC
02-10-03, 19:23
cruiser
there are sws out in julu lu in front of all the bars, I've
seen some, but the quality.....
where did you see them in beijing? san li tun?

AsiaTraveler2
02-10-03, 23:13
Originally posted by SeattleGman
Asiatraveler2

Both are great cities .. I am a little biased because I had a host in Shanghai, while I was on my own in Beijing. You will have a great time in both places if you do your research! Have a good time.

SeattleGman;

Thanks for the response. I did read through the posts. Some conflicting opinions, so I wanted to pose it as a question. Someone had asked in an earlier post .. "where is the nightlife .. could not find any in Shanghai", which had me concerned. I know much of Shanghai's development has been recent, so I was under the impression that many options would still be limited. I'm leaning toward Beijing right now, due to some of the history, and also because I do have a contact right now. Thanks again!

SeattleGman
02-11-03, 06:50
blnknamecruiser

See my earlier posts. I picked some up in front of the Hilton Hotel from 10PM to midnight. Prices below 500RMB for a short time. Looks ranged on a scale from 4-6 for Shanghai scale. Service was great on the two I picked up.

BlnkNameCruiser
02-12-03, 07:43
SeattleGman and DavidC,

Thanks for the tips. To answer davidC's question, in Beijing there are some on Sanlitun (near the end, do not fall for the KTV hustlers), also at the Lufthansa center at the side of the building. They frequent that spot with easy access to taxi's. One took me to her apt for only 300rmb and treated me really good.
Also they are in front of the hotels and at starbucks on Jianguoman. In front of Jinglun and Jianguo hotels, and walk from there up to the subway station near the mcdonalds and starbucks. They hang out there but are less conpicuous. Also on the same street near China World hotel there is a Henry J Beans. They are in there and one picked me up in the China World hotel mall. Typically Beijing is 500rmb and up for SW's. Also if you want to travel far, the street in front of the Wu Petroleum hotel, they wander around there.
Thanks for the tips.

blanknamecrusier

@sh
02-12-03, 17:01
Where can you get FS for around 600? i've been to the Atlantic Center, but the atmosphere is not great, and the girls are so-so.

EDITOR's NOTE: This report was edited by Admin to add standard capitalization throughout the text. In the future, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no capital lettering. Thanks!

BlnkNameCruiser
02-17-03, 01:32
DickJohnson, SeattleGman and DavidC,
You all seem to get around. Where is Nanjing on this board, if at all? I will be there next month along with my HK, BJ, and Shanghai, but have never been to Naning specifically, so I would love a few tips.

Thanks
blanknamecruiser

SeattleGman
02-17-03, 06:07
blanknamecruiser

Sorry, but I have no experience in Nanjing (I don't even know where it is). My work has not brought me there nor have I thought to vacation there.

Laogua
02-17-03, 06:50
KJM,

Also, you can try out Xindu Hotel on Wenhui Road in Hangzhou, which is a 4-star hotel. The sauna/massage facility is affiliated with the Zhejiang Hotel and offer about the same service for 400 RMB tip. In addition, you can take the girl out if you are satisfied.

BlnkNameCruiser
02-17-03, 23:05
kjm,

I have had a good time in the sauna of Zhejiang Hotel. REally nice girl, very sensual, no FS, but I am sure it can be had if you demand ahead of time but I was nervous so I didnt make a scene. I still felt I got a great deal because her attitude and service were fantastic.

blanknamecruiser

ILS05
02-18-03, 16:29
Went to Mao Ming Lu on Sunday eve; most of the places were dead ... busiest one was the one with the large window behind the bar (can't remember the name), good band and nice supply of girls. Leaving the bar, incredible amount of street action ...

Laogua
02-21-03, 03:45
Usually no FS for first-timers at those sauna service, but it will become more flexible when you know the ladies.

AGL
02-21-03, 23:54
check out the rainbow hotel - top floor casablanca lounge. freelancers all over the place. they do come in with a number tag and once you make a selection you buy their entry (something like $10. which includes a drink for them as I recall). be careful to choose the one you think connects with you coz once they are in they are in and can butterfly on you. having said that you can always find a moth of your own.

i've been there on two occasions and can say it's definitely fun. best if you stay in the hotel coz they'll run up and down the elevator with you to your room. if you have a room at the hotel you'll get fs for US$100. for an outcall to your hotel it's more but you also can run the risk of not getting them past your lobby. pickings were about an 8 on the shanghai rictor which means most of you will like what you see.

my experience was if they like you it'll be gfe and they might stay all night for you.

can't remember the name of the street but it's out toward the now old airport. that is to say, not pudong but the other one. any locals reading this have the contact inf.?

-agl

ps - blanknmcruiser - looks like you and i run on some similar turf... on both sides of the pond...

Gaolei
02-22-03, 17:16
I may have posted this before, but it is worth repeating. Julu Road near the old Hilton in Puxi (I love that word). This is where the girly tease clubs are located. You can drink and talk to some great looking women who are out to sell drinks. You can also get lucky for free like I did.

Looking for rental ladies, you will find them here also. They are working as freelancers on the street and in the clubs. There is no bar fine if you do connect. In the Carib club you will find great music from Cuba and you will be propositioned!

My Julu girl friend says if you want to find the girls who will go back to the hotel with you, just ask one of the girls. Many of the girls working the club are good girls and are not going to like being propositioned, but they will point you to the ones who will.

Gaolei
02-22-03, 17:18
I am going to Hangzhou. I have been there before for short periods of time, but I need advice on the monger spots in town.
Can anyone help? I can help you with Shanghai.

Just Me
02-25-03, 05:45
I had posted this on another board, but I've finally been able to log onto this board and thought thismight be some good info to all.

Entitle this:
"I'm a Moron, and don't let this happen to you"

I was in Shanghai this week for business and spent a few nights out.

First, if anyone can't find play in Shanghai, they aren't looking.
Easy play can be found at the following places:

Maoming Lu
Julu lu
Most hotel lobby bars
Park 97
and for the desperate: HardRock Cafe

Now, for the first night, I had a regular from Beijing that was actually down there for a couple of weeks.

The last night was the cursed night. I went to Maoming Lu after playing cards with the boys. Left the card game at 2, was at Maoming lu at 2;15.
Barhopped for a couple of rounds and then didn't really find anything to my liking.

Walking up and down Maoming lu are the An Mo girls. They don't go into the bars, they just accost the customers prior to you going into the bars. They are cheap and not of the quality of the inside bar birls. Yes, there is a pecking order of bar girls on Maoming lu.

So, my littlehead was doing the thinking as I walked to a taxi. I cute girl came to me and wanted to go with me. We negotiated to 400 rmb. Could have gone to 300, but I had been negotiating contracts all day and was tired of the haggling.
So, off we go.

She doesn't speak much English, andymy chinese is really better suited for Karaoke Bars (or night school as they are known) than actually trying to get a point across.

We get down to the act. good blow job, etc. Strap on a condom and she hops on.
I notice that the condom is immediately covered with blood. I push her off. She was just starting her period. Thankfully, it only got on the condom, but I showered and scrubbed my dick like a madman to make sure.

She's back at it and gives me a BBBJTC.

AFter this, she starts to give me a great massage. AS it's about 4:30 a.m., she does this for about a half hour and I fall asleep.

I wake up about 30 mins later and she's sleeping next to me.

while she's asleep, I check my pants pockets fo rmoney. I started the night with about 2k of rmb. and now was down to 600. The fucking ***** stole mymoney.
So, I wake her up. make her sit up in bed and watch me empty her backpack of all her things looking for mymoney.

Yes, I found it. 1,200 she took from me.

She swears that she didn't and the money was hers. But all the bills were perfectly crisp and folded like those that she left in my pocket (fresh from the ATM) and I knew she wouldn't have gotten money that way.

So, I pick up the phone and pretend to call the police. She then admits that she stole the money and begs me not to call the police.

I kick her ass out. push her out the door with her shoes in her hands.

She then knocks on my door 5 mins later and wants taxi money. well, i bring her inside. we talk about about a hyalf hour about the bad thing she did. feeling magnanomous and bad for this farm girl, i give her 300 rmb (she did actually complete our deal) and then she leaves.

So, my suggestion is, stay away from the Massage that earn their living on the sidewalks of Maoming lu.

Now, for some market survey info:
I went to two karaoke places. EAch place about half the girls would go back with you to your room. The asking price was 1k and didn't seem to be negotiable. I tried for about a half hour with a girl at one place. I wasn't going to take her, i just wanted to see if she would budget and she would not.

Inside the bars at Maoming lu the asking price started at 1,500. The girls all started at this, and once you laughed at them, they immediately went to 1,000 and then after that would say what do u want to pay.
So, I know you could get anywhere from 600 to 800, depending on girl and need.

No need to flame, as I've already flamed myself and admitted to being an idiot, but I do this to inform you guys and help you out.

that its it from here.

just me

Just Me
02-25-03, 05:47
And some additional info:

But, I've travelled China for 10 years, lived in Beijing for 2 and this has never happened in China to me. I've always found the fear of God (or THE PARTY) has been enough to deter the girls from this type of action.

And as for my language thing. I know I've been here a long time but I'm just too damn lazy to do anything other than night school (Karaoke or KTV) for my language training. I can play Da La er or dice with the best of them in Chinese, but put me in a police station and I'll plead the fifth (or to the American Embassy, whicher ever helps first).

Also, some additional info on the KTV places. This was my first trip back to Shanghai in about a year and there was a KTV place we used to go to called Happy Garden across from MALONES American Bar and Restraunt. It's right off of Nanjing Road, and it's the first cross street as you leave the Portman Hotel and turn right going up Nanjing Road.

I give you specific directions coz this is a great place and it is very inexpensive as far as KTV's go.
I've been there about 5 times in the past, but not recently and it was always very inexpensive. But, you must negotiate it up front.

For this group (all chinese speakers, and I'm not ncluding me) they made me negotiate and then laughed at me as I strugggled to negotiate it in Chinese. Finally, after my negotation was over, one of the bosses came out and he spoke perfect English.

There were 6 of us. The initial rate was 600 rmb for the large room, plus fruit plates and chips/snacks, and 36 beers. We ran out of beer quickly, and ordered 36 more beers for 200 rmb.
So, the total night was 800 rmb (100 usd) for 72 beers, and snacks.
Incredibly cheap as far as KTV goes for agroup of 6 guys. I've been to KTV in Beijing where the bill was$1,000 for a group of 6. But that was with a bunch of brandy drinking fish that I go with.

Tips for girls were 200 rmb (some gave 300), but the mamasan say 200-300 tips for girls.

Two of the girls went home with the guys, and the bill for the girls was 1000 for all night.

The next night, we went to anothe KTV (I'm sorry, I don't know the name or the location as Shanghai confuses the hell out of me and I wasn't driving).

It was with customes and reps. 14 men. The bill was 600 us, which included 300 rmb tips for the 14 girls and the drinking. Although not much drinking went on at KTV coz we were allhammered from the erguotou at dinner. 14 bottles of the stuff between 18 people.

Well, there is some addtional market survey to let u know that KTV in Shanghai can be fun and affordable if u know where to go.
BTW, the Happy Garden staff told me they would be moving to "across the street".
They are also a Sauna. As you go down stairs, turningleft gets u to the sauna and massage ( I didn't partake) and turning right gets u to KTV.

They speak english here, but not many of the girls spoke English. Maybe only 2 or 3 that I saw did.

just me

KingPeter
02-25-03, 23:55
Can anyone recommend any Russian or Hispanic ladies in Shanghai? I will be in Shanghai in April. email me if possible PH888_168@hotmail.com. Please note: I am new to this board

KingPeter
02-25-03, 23:58
I need information concerning Russian girls or Latina's in Shanghai area you may email me PH888_168@hotmail.com

Gaolei
02-28-03, 23:09
The Caribe night club is Cuban. There are often Cubans in the club and since the music is Latin, there are Latin ladies!

The Club is on Julu Road, near the Hilton. I have seen Russians on the street near the Caribe club.

Wolf
03-04-03, 18:28
Hi everybody,
Any recommendations regarding action on Julu Lu ?
I have passing by today around 21h00 and it seems rather inactive.
Anybody tried the KTV behind Cochincha restaurant ? What are the tips ?
What about the other one in fron of the same restaurant on the left hand side ?
Thank you for the infos.

Barber shp next to Marriott Hongqiao is still active. 2 cuties there offered a nice massage which quickly changed itself in nice action by the 2 ladies. HJ provided by 2 nice girls in there very early 20's (if yet 20's...). Big smile on their faces when I said ok. They made sure I would come high and lound in their both hands, give big laugh when I exploded and leting me roam around there small beasts. No BJ though. Too bad.
Any tips around Marriott also welcomed.

Wolf

Just Me
03-04-03, 22:34
Wolf,

At 21 00 hours it's still a little early for action at Julu Lu.
I was at Maoming Lu a week ago and action there didn't really get going until around 2300. So, patience my friend, patience.

Go to Maoming on Ladies night, differs from bar to bar- look at www.thatsshanghai.com for bar info.

You'll find a great crowd of chinese travellers and laowai travellers. A fun time was had by all til about 0300 or 0400.

just me

Apac Boy
03-05-03, 02:40
wolf, how much at that barbershop?

tapioca

Gaolei
03-05-03, 22:03
On Julu, I always recommend Caribe for its good Latin music and all of the girls hanging around inside. I always get propositioned here.

Second is Flashback. Tell Jessica Ray says hello, see you in a few weeks.

Also, Hilda's Bar. If you are really lucky, you won't see Hilda. She is the fattest old Chinese woman you have ever seen. In Hilda's you won't get lucky. It is a place to have a good time and drink a few beers with friends.

MpfsLover
03-11-03, 07:18
gaolei,

On Hangzhou, check out the South China board, I posted my field report to HZ back in Oct 24, 2002.

coolwood
03-12-03, 12:00
Hi guys, would it be helpful if you can speak a little bit Shanghai dialect when you bargain with girls there? I'm thinking of attending those language classes...

DavidC
03-12-03, 20:28
coolwood
no need to do that, just like in all major cities in china,
very very few of the working girls are actually from that
city

Gaolei
03-14-03, 02:16
Here is some Saa Hay (Shanghai)

A Shanghainese person (Shanghai ren in putong wah) is a saahay nieg ( I don't know the pinyin for Saahay Dialect).

A kids rhyme:

Shaa wu neig doah Saahay,
Saahay ea wu gonvalay
misshy misshy Tsao ea Tsay.

Shaa wu nieg are country bumpkins. A good put down in the local language. The rhyme means the country people go to shanghai. They can't speak the language and they don't like the salted veggies (a local treat). If you learn this it is a good ice-breaker.

Bop ah mar = Don't mess with me.
Da chan wu = Screwed up

Enjoy!

coolwood
03-14-03, 11:56
Gaolei you are good! :) Actually, I can speak perfect Chinese (Mandarin)...I was born in a Taiwanese family in L.A...

I'm planning a trip to Shanghai in late April...anyone wanna team up with me hunting for some fun? I could use your experience and you can use my language advantage.

EMAIL:woodexcite@yahoo.com

Apac Boy
03-14-03, 22:27
Shanghai report:

Went to the discos: Rojam, Real Love, and Park 97

Saw many freelancers working at all of these places. I know they're workin' cause they just stare at u when u first meet them. Anyways, my buddy brought back a chick from Real Love for 600rmb for a massage and a hj. It's a lot but he was [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) drunk and horny.

On another note, Park 97 fucking rocks...best fucking music in Shanghai and the crowd is unbelivable. I got hit up by a couple of freelancers but since the night was young, I was trying to get some for free. REmember guys, why buy a parking spot when u can just drive around and find one...u might get lucky sometimes.

tapioca

DavidC
03-15-03, 02:34
yo tapioca
r u talking about upstairs or downstairs of real love
the downstairs is a bar, and I've seen working girls there
the upstairs is a club, with some pretty decent techno
but it's impossible to talk to people, I went with this chick and
I pretty much had to yell in her ear the whole night

Just Me
03-15-03, 05:11
Tap,
Glad u liked Park 97. What a place eh? You are right, it rocks.

Just me

Gaolei
03-15-03, 16:33
Thanks! I will probably be in the city in April. I will post a schedule when I know it. I am still looking for some help with the Hanzhou sciene. I will probably spend 2 to 3 weeks there.

DavidC
03-16-03, 03:03
gaolei
I was in hangzhou for a few days
there's sort of a bar street, I think it's nan shan lu
the biggest bar is at the end, called huo zhi liao
I got approached a few times there, you can walk
around there and I'm sure you will get chicks
smiling at u

there's a disco at the 6th floor of wa haha building,
called jin bi hui huang, everyone knows it, you can
check that place out too

there's another place called paradise rock or paradise
cafe or something, I saw some definite working girls
there, but I was with someone so didn't ask

good luck and enjoy the west lake!!
there's a famous restaurant right by the lake called
lou wai lou, make sure u go and get the dong po rou!
I'm still drooling when I think about it, it's so damn good

Gaolei
03-18-03, 22:38
Thanks for the information. It was just what I was looking for.

A-Todd
03-19-03, 03:56
Shanghai Tea House:
Paid a visit to the Tea house yesterday, it’s not the best looking place (quite dodgy) but it serves its purpose.. a cup of tea and a friendly girl to a reasonable price :-)

The other posts regarding this place are quite good, so I only want to ad one thing and that is when I talked with the girl, I asked her if she knew if there where more places like this in Shanghai and the answer was -yes many, many. My mandarin wasn’t good enough to figure out more details than that … so I guess I have to go out and look for them myself…

/Todd

Jman90024
03-19-03, 18:41
Originally posted by gaolei
The Caribe night club is Cuban. There are often Cubans in the club and since the music is Latin, there are Latin ladies!

The Club is on Julu Road, near the Hilton. I have seen Russians on the street near the Caribe club.

Just want to ask that if anyone has experience with these Russians ladies. I just read an article that Shanghai is a stopover before the Russian girls are sent to other place for their business in Taiwan or Hongkong. Is there any truth to the story? Thanks.

Gaolei
03-19-03, 23:04
A-Todd

A little more information on the tea house. Where is it, what is it?

coolwood
03-20-03, 14:33
Hi Does anyone have experience in the area around Pudong Int'l Air Port? Any good hotels nearby? Thanks.

Boom
03-20-03, 20:05
Hangzhou - Does anyone have any info on where the red light district is? I'll be there in a couple of days. Davidc, great report...but is that the actual red light district I have heard about? Thanks to all.

Gaolei
03-20-03, 21:40
There is very little near the Pudong airport. It was raised from the swamps at the farthest edge of Shanghai near the ocean. It is surrounded by small villages and farms. There is a new hotel there, but there is nothing to do out there. If the maglev is running, it is just a few minutes to Pudong city and a few minutes more to Puxi. I would go there, to the City hotel.

BlnkNameCruiser
03-21-03, 15:32
Anyone have tips for FS within walking or short subway distance from...
- or -

in the massage/sauna of the Hengshan hotel 534 Hengshan Road?

any barber shops ever give FS?

I would appreciate the tip. I will be there for a few days starting tomorrow.

Thanks in advance!!
blanknamecruiser

Jumbo88
03-21-03, 16:03
I was staying at Marco Polo Hotel (great room, great location, great breakfast and great price [350/nite] king size bed.

After a long day at work (exhibition and meetings), I finally called it the day at around 12:00am Took a nice shower and called the beauty salon down stairs for a massage to "relax" and get ready for the next day. At RMB150/hr., I must admit it's a bit expensive for Hangzhou, but it was a 4star facility.

Man! waited for like 20 minutes and no one showed, so I called downstairs to ask what hell it's going on here (past experience is like 10 minutes wait max. at other locations) Just when I was about to fall asleep, a pretty young petite meimei (8 rating) (nice tits) rang the bell. I showed her way to the sofa and hit of with the usual conversation: where are you from, name/age, how long here and da, da da... [I had a suspesion that she was not a regular at this hotel and that due to high demand, the shop down stairs ran out of girls and was asking for outside help.] After that, I went straight to negotiation. I asked how much? She said 800. I go: Yeah right! 800 my ass! what does the 800 include? she said: one straight lay and no BJ. I was thinking: *****! what is this shit!? I have been in China for 10 years and this is just bull shit! I complained and ask for lower rate, she said that this is a 4 star place and that she has to pay for "security fee" downstairs with the beauty salon mami and that bla, bla, bla... I go: fuck it! I was tired anyways, forget about it, I started to show here way out. She asked if I wanted another girl, I figure, it was pass 1:00 am already, still had a long day ahead of me, I have decided to sleep with a little disappointment. It wasn't a big deal after all. Juat when I was about to open the door, she said: hey! how about just massage? Because if she goes now, she will lose face. I figure what the hell, 150 for a massage, go for it, it might help me sleep better.

She started to massage and chatted with me. I flirted with her hardcore (verbally), her replies were as flirtatious. It seems that things were heading for a better direction. I finally learned that she was working at a KTV and was called in to help out here (just like what I thougt). I was surprised about her massage skills (usually they suck! specially the KTV girls). She finished the massage and gave me her number, I paid her 250 (150 to the company and 100 tip for her taxi fare). She was surprised with appreciation. Hey man! The ***** does not know who she was dealing here -- Moi: a 10 years veteran. I said that I will call her tomorrow and that we could just go out to dance or something... [The key: treat them like a girl friend not a *****.] Guess what: She short messaged me about 30 mins of her departure. I know she was hooked!

The next night (last night), I called her right after I finished business (it was around 8:00pm). I asked her to come to my room. She showed up about an hour later. She was working that night and she ask her mami for an hour off. Little talk, showered and I fucked the shit out of her. Total GFE! (girlfriend experience) She gave me BBBJ (Bare Back Blow Job), we 69ed, and made her come strong! Twice! She said that she haven't had sex and came so hard like that for long, long time. [comment: From experience, these young girls rarely have "fun" because their usual customers (not you guys, my fellow members) does not know how to treat a girl right!]. Anyway, her mami started calling her to hurry her back to work. Perfect! I wanted a good rest anyways. She got dressed and was about to leave (still no sign for the price?) I was going to get a freebie! Yeah! It's such a good sensation to get freebies from Pros! But, I have my rules, since I am already married to a beatiful "Shanghai Girl" (you guys should know how tough they are), I have to keep this in a semi-pro relationship. I stuffed 400 into her jacket and told her to get a nice gift for herself and that i did not have time to shop with her. Many of you might ask why?! Aren't you a dumb ass! You were getting a freebie! Let me tell you: Freebies will turn into a very, very EXPENSIVE hobbie! Always pay unless you are SINGLE or you don't live in China!

So, from now on, I will have a pretty young thing waiting for me every time I visit Hangzhou. In time, she will become my source to access her pretty young friends. This is how you play in China~!

Hope that you guys enjoy my story. I hope that I was not being a bit cocky here. If so, I apologize!

By the way, if you guys like really nice Pro action in HZ, go to Huang Long (Yellow Dragon) Hotel's sauna. They are having a promotion of RMB1100 for 2 girls (Shuang Fei!) and have sex with a one girl (Full and great service!).

Happy Hunting!!!

Gaolei
03-21-03, 20:48
What's her number?

coolwood
03-21-03, 21:04
Hey Jumbo88! How far is HZ away from Shanghai? Sounds like a good place of action...

BlnkNameCruiser
03-22-03, 13:50
CoolWood,
Hangzhou is only about 1 hour or so if you take the express train. I have also had a nice time there in barber shops and ZheJiang hotel Sauna.

Not FS, but everything else....

blanknamecruiser

BlnkNameCruiser
03-23-03, 10:15
well I answered my own question.
I am on Hengshan Rd. The hotel has no sauna. There are some barber shops where you can get cheap HJ and tit sucking, but that is all.

Down the steet more is REal Love. That gets packed the Sat nite I was there. I was approached by one girl but she was a hustler.

Walked around and ccouldnt figure out for hours what places were the real pick up joints. then got lucky and wandrered into Lily bar. That was loaded with SW's.

One immediately smiled and asked me to join her. I did. We imediately began touching. we left to her hotel. Turns out I was paying fo the room then she still wanted full price for the FS. that sucked but she gave great service and begged me to spend the nite and made me give her all my contact info. Not sure I want that happening but her bed service was great.

anyone tried the big MASSAGE place on Hengshan?

blanknamecruiser

Roversman 999
03-23-03, 15:52
hi blnknamecruiser. New guy in town..just moved here and staying in HK Plaza. So far have been dating some yahoo chat friends with good success ( 3 out of 4 aint bad ) but now want to go the barber shop route just to try and see. Which ones on Hengshan..?? Real love is full of kids Im told, but maya may be better. Any toher tips, would love to get them. Hate benig new. Spent past four years in manila and had action all the time on tap. Thanks for any help.

A-Todd
03-24-03, 07:57
-gaolei

If you look a bit further back (December/January) in this forum, you will find lots of useful information about this place.

If anyone knows more places like this please post :-)

/Todd

Wolf
03-26-03, 08:40
Hi,
Does anybody used already the serices provided by Miss Shanghai Beauty (sh_beauty@shanghaiybeauty@hotmail.com) ?
Any comments would be appreciated.

Thanks

Xchina
03-28-03, 06:14
Anybody has any escort info for Wuhan, Yichang?

Thanks...

Levitian
03-28-03, 09:33
Originally posted by Wolf
Hi,
Does anybody used already the serices provided by Miss Shanghai Beauty (sh_beauty@shanghaiybeauty@hotmail.com) ?
Any comments would be appreciated.

Thanks Wolf,
I had the pleasure to meet that girl before. She is actually not really a beauty, but quite nice to talk to, she speaks excellent English, and she can get really excited and likes to perform all these things with those abbreviations I never do remember.

Levitian
03-28-03, 11:10
1) Teahouse on Yanan Road
That's not really a nice place, many girls, but quite filthy

2) Big Brother is watching
Be a little cautious, even if the National Congress is over, things are not stable, yet. Even the girls are more cautious than before.

3) SHBeauty
Not really a beauty, but doable. Good English, likes 'action', is quite playful.

4) Barbershop on Sinan Road/Jianguo Road
Try the one with the blue fassade, ask for 'Xiao Guo', make sure, that you are washed and clean, and have fun!

KingPeter
03-28-03, 20:20
levitian,

Concerning # 3, what is her name? and charge

#4 What do you mean? I am new on this board and trying to get familiar with the messages

Thank You

KingPeter
03-29-03, 08:47
Originally posted by Levitian
1) Teahouse on Yanan Road
That's not really a nice place, many girls, but quite filthy

2) Big Brother is watching
Be a little cautious, even if the National Congress is over, things are not stable, yet. Even the girls are more cautious than before.

3) SHBeauty
Not really a beauty, but doable. Good English, likes 'action', is quite playful.

4) Barbershop on Sinan Road/Jianguo Road
Try the one with the blue fassade, ask for 'Xiao Guo', make sure, that you are washed and clean, and have fun!

What is her name SHBeauty and her charge?

thank you

Wolf
03-29-03, 10:18
Thanks Levitian.
Does she perform BBBJ ?
Do you remember how much you paid her ?
She sent a photo to a friend of mine where she looks very pretty but I guess now she is not the one on the picture...

Wolf

coolwood
03-30-03, 09:27
I'm in Shanghai now. Compared to 3 years ago, those taxi drivers are a lot more suicidal...I don't think I can ever drive in this crazy city. I stayed in a 3 star hotel on Siping Lu last night (it's called Blue Sky), had a nice Nanking girl there in a Hotel MP. Anyone else been there before too? And also does anyone know about Peace Hotel on Wai Tan? Is it pricy there?

BlnkNameCruiser
03-30-03, 20:27
roversman99 an all,
to answer your question, it was a diagonal street from the intersection in fron t of the Hang Shan hotel. Small little place next to a window service grocery store. it is the ionly one in view of that intersection that stays open really late.

As far as the rest of the action down Hang Shan.... True Love was lame if picking up girls is the main objective. Bourbon Street is great, Lilly Pub is great, I think if you just take an evening walk down that street and into each place you will quickly get the idea. Dont waste too much time in one place if you are not being approached.

Seems they charge anywhere from 500RMB up to as much as theyy can get you to part with....

Levitian
03-31-03, 05:20
Wolf,
Yes, she did. I don't know her real name, I called her Beauty, and it was ok for her. I did not say that she is ugly. Yet, I have seen better babes than her in Shanghai.
I haven't seen her for a while, last time was more than 6 months ago.

She was - at least at that time - somewhat semi-professionnel, she rather prefered to find a 'Sugar Daddy' who is willing to finance her appartment (at least, this was my impression).

She asked for CNY 1.000,- per session, open end.

Levitian
03-31-03, 05:56
KingPeter:

Shbeauty charge: CNY 800 - 1.000 per session.

What do I mean? Use your fantasy!

Intransit
03-31-03, 12:26
I have to pick up someone tomorrow afternoon at Pudong Airport. What's the fastest and cheapest way to get there? Thanks.

Lucky888
03-31-03, 20:31
Originally posted by intransit
I have to pick up someone tomorrow afternoon at Pudong Airport. What's the fastest and cheapest way to get there? Thanks.

Intransit --
Depends on where you're coming from. From most parts of PuDong (lujiazui area) or Puxi, cab will run you RMB120-160....but it's the fastest, generally.

If you are in Hongqiao area, there is a city bus that shuttles between the airports. Sorry I don't have any more info than that.

I believe there is also a shuttle bus from a subway stop in PuDong.

Your best bet for details on any of these options is to walk into the nearest 4 or 5 star hotel and ask the concierge for more info.

Lucky888
03-31-03, 20:34
Suzhou....anyone? anywhere?

Okay, so I posted this question many months back and got no reply. Does anyone have any info at all on action of any type in Suzhou? I spend a few weekdays there occasionally, and would really like to find some action. Bars, clubs, MPs, hotel massage...any option is good.

I've usually stayed at the Sheraton, which is a nice hotel with good legit massage service...but there's absolutely no action anywhere in that area to be found.

I've been to Pulp Fiction on a Wednesday night or so and saw one or two girls there. I've heard of Tom's bar/pub, but never been.

Thanks for any tips.

I received this response via an email on 4-2-03:

"About Suzhou,

You can visit the area called Shilu (Stone road). You can find some KTV place (e.g. Rock KTV city). cuties is their and you can order/select for you favorate. You'd better ask whether the lady is willing to go with you after the KTV time. If not, you can ask mamasun for help - change another partner hopefully. The tip for KTV would be RMB 200 per girl. and tip for FS ranges from 500~1000 depending on your negotiation skill and quality of the girl. There are lot of bars in teh New District street, maybe you can find you luck also there.

Two years ago I visited Yunlong Club on the Ganjiang Road. at teh east end of this road on the 5th floor. The girls can be called when waching shows on the stage, and can bring someone back to hotel if you negotiate with her."

Member #4198
03-31-03, 23:03
hey intransit, isn't fastest way and cheapest way are usually two contradicting concepts? :-) if you want fastest, take a cab, from Jing'An Temple area (downtown Shanghai), the meter runs about RMB160, but you can negotiate to pay about RMB120, which really is not a bad deal. If you want cheapest, take a cab to the Terminal Bldg near Jing'An Temple and take Rt. 2 shuttle to PuDong Airport. The shuttle fee is RMB19 one way. So, there you have it.

About SH beauty. I have had 2 encounters with her, both time it was RMB1000/Q (time), she is just one drop in the vast ocean of girls in Shanghai. So, guys, lighten up and no need to get fixed on any particular girl in Shanghai (unless you fell in love with one, of course).

Happy Hunting and peace to all

goldwind

Levitian
04-01-03, 05:56
Goldwind, you are absolutely right.

Another 'fast-food' tip: There is a small club in the former 'Barber Shop' street in Hongqiao, the small street off Hongqiao Road, where 'the DOOR' is located (by the way: if you haven't been in the "Door", try it out, one of the nicest Restaurants / Bars in town, with great Chinese live music).
The 'club' is about 300 meters down the street, just before the street is turning to the right, on the opposite side of the 'DOOR', next to a Japanese Bar. The action starts after 7.30 p.m., there is a so-called KTV on the other side of the street, which belongs to this club.

Many girls, some cuties (in the KTV, not necessarily in the bar). Place less filthy than the Tea House on Yanan Road.

Shanghai Noon
04-02-03, 02:41
Lesson Learned:

I don't have as much experience as some of you but have had some good luck on this most recent trip. On this trip I was in Macau, Guangzhou, and Haikou. Good service and great girles in each of these locales.

Last night was quite a different experience. In the past I have not had any luck in Shanghai. My approach might not be suitable for Shanghai. I called Mei Lien (number from Wolf's post previously) and her phone was current. She came by an hour later and was reasonably attractive (8 of 10). Immediately she started talking about everything from he mother to her ingrown toenail and took charge of my hotel room. Everytime I tried to discuss price she would just keep on talking. 30 minutes later we finally get to the price and it went down hill from there. She opened with 4,000 RMB, was I born yesterday? I kept on laughing and she lowered her price until 1200. At this point I mentioned that she did Wolf for 800 and she started to get dressed again. I was not going to budge and she walked. My very first experience of this sort.

My night was not over yet. Not to be deterred, I called the MP in the hotel and they sent up a 7 in 10 minutes. When I asked for extras she just blushed and said what do you mean? I thought she was trying to play it safe. She starts to massage me and I continue to pursue. This goes on for the full session and more. I thought I was making ground when I was able to cop a feel here and there. In the end she starts to negotiate and again starts at 4,000 and again we get nowhere. I got her down to 1400 which is way beyond what is reasonable and again I had to go to sleep unsatisfied.

I hope this is not the trend in SH. I will have to try some of the other options here since I will spend more time here in the future than any other China citiy(too bad)

I wonder if you guys can comment on simialar experience in SH or am I just too spoiled by the rest of the country.

Member #4198
04-02-03, 20:30
hi, shanghai noon and other interested parties:

From my experience with girls in Shanghais, they would be crazy to quote you a RMB 4000/Q rate (except of course some girls in, say, the Shanghai Film School). Those film school girls cost significantly more because they might, I emphasize here the word "might", have a chance to be on screen. Then, you of course can brag to your buddies that you did her, heihei...

Now, back from the digressions, I don't know where you stayed at hotel-wise. But for a MP girl to ask for RMB 4000 is not only outrageous but also laughable. I found a HJ is expected from hotel MP girls if you keep her for about 2-3 sessions (each session usually lasting for 45 min and costing RMB128). However, BJ and FS is highly YMMV, depending on how closely the hotel watches these girls and whether the girls likes you or not and how desperately the girls need money at the particular point in their lives, etc.. If she is willing, the going rate is RMB 800 in addition to the session fees (which is not such a good deal).

Guys, I think if you expect phone #'s here, you will be sorely disappointed. I believe this forum is for hobbists to express our experiences; the minute a girl's phone # gets out of the woods, that phone # will be dead within hours as too many people will be calling her and BELIEVE ME, these girls do not want attention. So, just hit Mao Ming Nan Lu, both walking on the streets or going into a bar and with anywhere between RMB 400-RMB 2000 (quality of girl mostly for the variation of price), you will get laid. For people with longer time horizon, the internet dating scene is HUGE, and I mean it is still HUGE in China. You will find girls that way and like all good things, YMMV.

I just cannot get over the fact that some cheapo bar or MP girls have the guts to ask for RMB4000, we are not there to gold-plating their **** (excuse my French), but come on, I think the stuff between their ears is somehow whooped.

Happy Hunting

Yours sincerely,

Goldwind

Loafer
04-03-03, 04:05
Some of the working girls in Shanghai are rather nervous recently, namely in barber shops and massage parlours. There seems to be another crackdown, even though it is not really high season for crackdowns (or is it?). My friend who runs a barber shop told me that firstcomers would not even get a proper massage in her shop. Anyone knows what's going on?

Ralston
04-05-03, 06:08
Do you think Shanghai is very expensive?

MoneyTree
04-06-03, 07:07
roversman99

In response to your post.
Overall Shanghai is a great place to go ***** mongering for young (18 to 21), clean, tall, and beautiful *****s who come to Shanghai to work for 2 or 3 months before going back to their provinces for a year or so where the average monthly income is about 200 yuan, so there is a really high turnover which is good for you, especally if you can make some connection to a regular supplier who will even message you of new and fresh arrivals :) there are a lot of girls in this business with some real 9 to 10s, but a majority of 6s, 7s, and a lot of 8s. so you should put some effort into finding these little gems.

Don't go to places like real love, maya, park 97, rojam, sos, stage, face, bourbon street, windows, julu lu etc to find *****s. I emphasis especially avoid maoming lu (this place really makes me want to puke) except you are into old fat over the hill filthy *****s who have an attitude problem, are over 24 and charge you as if their pussy was a god of some kind. I really dont understand the dumb fucks who go there to find ugly bitches.

ktv does have stunning girls although its quite troublesome to do the ktv deed beforehand and the bill is usually high to cover all the bullshit costs associated with the fuck, which for me translates to a little more trouble than i would want to simply fuck a hot hoe.

If you want to find girls whom you can fuck without much trouble you are somewhat on track with the barber shops, the girls can go to your place or you can even fuck them inside, they will not give you trouble, steal, or bullshit you about money since you know where they work - and believe me they dont want to have an angry local boss going at them. everything is negotiated up front and you pay the girl after you finish the deed. she will then give a cut to the shop owner. taxi money might be expected of around 20 yuan. on the other hand they are young and usually more shy compared to pro hookers but friendly and toyable so its more of a GF experience. dont expect BJs but it feels great to fuck some of these model type innocent cuties walking around in their slutty clothes who have to 99% never fucked a with a foreigner.

Although without local help you will have some difficulty. There are thousands of barber shops in Shanghai with most only offering this HJ bullshit for about 150. So you should be clear about what you are looking for and make the right connection. Most girls speak no English.

You were in Manila? I lived in Indonesia for 6 years. How long will you be staying here. I was also new in this place some time ago, if you need any particular info just drop me a line to puxilove@hotmail.com

I am half chinese and half western, so I have a little bit of a wire to the local scene. I have some friends in this business, supplying super cute young clean bitches to *****lovers with mostly asian background ( to be honest i got to admit the old farts of taiwan, hk, etc do have a better taste than most of the foreigners ive seen walking around ). I understand this forum is for information sharing only, so I do not intend to publicate or advertise any of these services for their or my own good. so have a look the scene around ...

Cavechu
04-06-03, 20:24
Originally posted by MoneyTree
roversman99

In response to your post.
Overall Shanghai is a great place to go ***** mongering for young (18 to 21), clean, tall, and beautiful *****s who come to Shanghai to work for 2 or 3 months before going back to their provinces for a year or so where the average monthly income is about 200 yuan, so there is a really high turnover which is good for you, especally if you can make some connection to a regular supplier who will even message you of new and fresh arrivals :) there are a lot of girls in this business with some real 9 to 10s, but a majority of 6s, 7s, and a lot of 8s. so you should put some effort into finding these little gems.

Don't go to places like real love, maya, park 97, rojam, sos, stage, face, bourbon street, windows, julu lu etc to find *****s. I emphasis especially avoid maoming lu (this place really makes me want to puke) except you are into old fat over the hill filthy *****s who have an attitude problem, are over 24 and charge you as if their pussy was a god of some kind. I really dont understand the dumb fucks who go there to find ugly bitches.

ktv does have stunning girls although its quite troublesome to do the ktv deed beforehand and the bill is usually high to cover all the bullshit costs associated with the fuck, which for me translates to a little more trouble than i would want to simply fuck a hot hoe.

If you want to find girls whom you can fuck without much trouble you are somewhat on track with the barber shops, the girls can go to your place or you can even fuck them inside, they will not give you trouble, steal, or bullshit you about money since you know where they work - and believe me they dont want to have an angry local boss going at them. everything is negotiated up front and you pay the girl after you finish the deed. she will then give a cut to the shop owner. taxi money might be expected of around 20 yuan. on the other hand they are young and usually more shy compared to pro hookers but friendly and toyable so its more of a GF experience. dont expect BJs but it feels great to fuck some of these model type innocent cuties walking around in their slutty clothes who have to 99% never fucked a with a foreigner.

Although without local help you will have some difficulty. There are thousands of barber shops in Shanghai with most only offering this HJ bullshit for about 150. So you should be clear about what you are looking for and make the right connection. Most girls speak no English.

You were in Manila? I lived in Indonesia for 6 years. How long will you be staying here. I was also new in this place some time ago, if you need any particular info just drop me a line to puxilove@hotmail.com

I am half chinese and half western, so I have a little bit of a wire to the local scene. I have some friends in this business, supplying super cute young clean bitches to *****lovers with mostly asian background ( to be honest i got to admit the old farts of taiwan, hk, etc do have a better taste than most of the foreigners ive seen walking around ). I understand this forum is for information sharing only, so I do not intend to publicate or advertise any of these services for their or my own good. so have a look the scene around ...

Nice post MoneyTree, it is nice to hear from an asian brother taking the time to clarify the Shanghai's pussy scene for global *****mongers...

Lucky888
04-07-03, 05:39
So I spent a weekend in Suzhou for the first time. Friday night stayed at Gloria Plaza hotel (Kai Lai da jiu dian). Almost 2am , I went down to the health club to see about getting a massage (list price is rmb150 for 45min). The guy tending the sauna center says he'll send a girl up to my room.

10 min later she arrives and comes in. I dim the lights and start to get undressed, at which point she starts asking exactly what kind of service I want; of course she knew all about FS, and she was happy to see a white guy who she thought she could rip off. She's all of 5'3" maybe and can't weigh 100lbs; a 6 or 7 in looks and 7 body (but turns out she has great a firm, full C cup and no scars).

She starts off asking rmb1500 for FS, and I laugh and tell her to leave. Then she offers 1200 and I acted as if to push her out the door. I offered her 400 or 500 (can't remember) and she comes down to 1000. She's starting to get whiny and bitchy at this point, and I wondered if the service might be the same.....so I resolved to at least turn it into an exercise in negotiation.

She won't back down from 1000 until I crawl into bed, wave her away, and pretend to sleep. Then it's 800. So I came up to 600, and she holds out. At this point we've probably negotiated for a good 10 or 12 minutes, and I was truly tired of it. So I closed my eyes, curled up in bed, and just stopped responding to her. The she suddenly got the point....and comes to 600, but tries to make it 600 for her and 150 for the house. I said no way, go away.

She gets on the phone, calls the massage center and explains. Finally agrees to 600 for FS, so 450 for her and 150 for the house. Probably this phone call cost her too much face, which doomed her service.

Her service was completely rushed, full of whiny looks and pouty faces. But she did have a great rack and a pretty tight hole....and it was in my room for what I thought was at least a half-decent price.

Cheers, hunters.

Cavechu
04-07-03, 06:15
Originally posted by lucky888
So I spent a weekend in Suzhou for the first time. Friday night stayed at Gloria Plaza hotel (Kai Lai da jiu dian). Almost 2am , I went down to the health club to see about getting a massage (list price is rmb150 for 45min). The guy tending the sauna center says he'll send a girl up to my room.

10 min later she arrives and comes in. I dim the lights and start to get undressed, at which point she starts asking exactly what kind of service I want; of course she knew all about FS, and she was happy to see a white guy who she thought she could rip off. She's all of 5'3" maybe and can't weigh 100lbs; a 6 or 7 in looks and 7 body (but turns out she has great a firm, full C cup and no scars).

She starts off asking rmb1500 for FS, and I laugh and tell her to leave. Then she offers 1200 and I acted as if to push her out the door. I offered her 400 or 500 (can't remember) and she comes down to 1000. She's starting to get whiny and bitchy at this point, and I wondered if the service might be the same.....so I resolved to at least turn it into an exercise in negotiation.

She won't back down from 1000 until I crawl into bed, wave her away, and pretend to sleep. Then it's 800. So I came up to 600, and she holds out. At this point we've probably negotiated for a good 10 or 12 minutes, and I was truly tired of it. So I closed my eyes, curled up in bed, and just stopped responding to her. The she suddenly got the point....and comes to 600, but tries to make it 600 for her and 150 for the house. I said no way, go away.

She gets on the phone, calls the massage center and explains. Finally agrees to 600 for FS, so 450 for her and 150 for the house. Probably this phone call cost her too much face, which doomed her service.

Her service was completely rushed, full of whiny looks and pouty faces. But she did have a great rack and a pretty tight hole....and it was in my room for what I thought was at least a half-decent price.

Cheers, hunters.

I wonder how much would she charge for a chinese speaking asian guy?

BlnkNameCruiser
04-07-03, 11:15
MoneyTree,
I appreciate all the detail. I recently moved here and have only been able to check out a few barber shops and HengShan Lu where all the BS action is that you refer to. I agree too many overpriced ho's with bad attitudes. I do like that attitudes of the barbershop girls but almost resgined myself to ever expecting FS. I would prefer #1 to get it in the shop #2 take them back to my place. In EITHER CASE I have never found a willing girl even though I am willing payer, nice attractive etc...

Can you offer advice where the best shops are?

Thanks! Hope I can return the favor.

blanknamecruiser

Roversman 999
04-07-03, 13:50
nice reply money tree. and understand blanknamecruiser too. Been here four weeks now and had a few barbershops but with little or no language its tough. However, yahoo has come to the rescue again. Met several of my yahoo chatmates ( and icq) and so far.. ten have come to my aprtment ( haui hai road) and four has stayed the night. They werent tens and they werent fives but they were free and it was a GFE and blow jobs all included. Seen the mauming thing and wont go there except to show ocassional visitors. I was in Manila five years and before that HK for ten..so have some familiarity with the scene. But darn its tough being new..when you know what you want but cant say what yuo need to get what yuo want.. ( yeah. learn the language right..) but I also have two nice ones on the burner and so.. im pleased with progress so far. But if theres any great and hidden barber shops where a nice newbie can go.. would love to find it. Its the unexpected that makes it a turn on.. and when they are 20 and slutty.. and innocent.. even better!!!!
Have fun guys.. and share share share..thats what this is for.. as well as those of us who havent a clue when they smile at you what it might mean...

Lucky888
04-07-03, 17:26
Originally posted by AMPGuest
I wonder how much would she charge for a chinese speaking asian guy?

I'm not sure; I did negotiate with her in Chinese (I'm not a total laowei in that regard). Gloria is a 4 star hotel, the 2nd best hotel in Suzhou. 450 to the girl for in-room service in such a hotel is a decent deal. I think to go under 300 would be a real negotiating accomplishment. However, if you haggle too hard, service can definitely suffer.

If I liked the hotel better, I might go back. For now I'll continue to stay at the Sheraton. Maybe I can cruise over and just use the sauna at the Gloria, and have FS massage there.

We need more reports on Suzhou, so if you get here, let us know the results!

Allen Eire
04-08-03, 00:48
Originally posted by blnknamecruiser
MoneyTree,
I appreciate all the detail. I recently moved here
blanknamecruiser

What!!! Dude tell me I misunderstood you! I was looking forward to one of our cigar chats at Hemmingway. Enjoy bro I'll still follow your postings.

Allen

MoneyTree
04-08-03, 05:51
Considering the large interest in barbershops in the city center I do know barbershops that offer FS right middle of town. I'm terrible with locations and street adresses but to find these places just walk around the shitty sideroads, the more shitty the better the chance, and follow lightings which lead into backallays, up some stairs, or around some corners of those shikumen type houses. the roadside window shops seldomly offer FS although I also know some where you can get it upstairs. I don't know the exact locations but it's all around fuxing zhong lu perhaps 10 minutes walking distance from xintiandi there are tons of blocks of crap streets with these establishments some really big having rooms with 20 or more girls and some only with about 4. there has got to be somewhere between 50 to 100 places within 30 minutes walking distance of which there should be 20 to 30 with the possibility of FS. if I walk around there i can find them (at night anyway never been there at day). Just keep a look for shops there is a boss, if they have a male boss its likely you can fuck the girls. I haven't been for a while but I never go there without a local friend so I can't tell you what kind of reaction you would get. Just walk in and ask the male boss how much do fuck the girls. without chinese abilities, forget it :) never seen anything but local clients in these places. I can't give you guarantees on satisfaction or the quality and cleaness of the girls and that they won't rip you off or bullshit you. so beware!

Considering the terrible flow of information here in China and I am strongly in favor of sharing information on how to find good quality hoes to fuck without any bullshit attached. When I pay for sex I expect it to be without any bullshit whatsoever since that's one of the reasons im paying for it besides my continuous lack of time.

I guess everyone has their own preferences, but my personal choice is, as you might have figured, young beautiful sluts who haven't been in this business for long- because i like to fuck them clean, unused, and most of all with a good attitude throughout. If you are into this kind of girls I am willing you share some references. I even took some digi-pics of some of the young bitches I have recently fucked, and who are still around the place I presume and I can get access to new girls regularly. I also have interest to get some references on good sluts, if you had any pics to share it would be great because im a picky little shit with little time for disappointments :)

my dedicated *****monger email is puxilove@hotmail.com

I have been around shanghai for over 6 months and I've sampled plenty of various locations and types of girl ranging from bottom scrap hoes for 200 to 4000 RMB model fucks. I also have some horny local friends with whom I have been *****mongering so Im not ignorant as to what to expect at what price. Due to the illegality of prostitution and the occasional crack downs the external costs are often quite high with finding good quality girls who will do what you like them to do at the time you want them to do it :) For it all to come together, my conclusion seems that it comes down to having someone who will supply you information or who is maybe an insider and knows what you want. So build on those relationships...they are the best and most reliable source where I have never had any problems. They want your business and they want you to come back, hence they will want you to be satisfied. I even have some dude who will send me MMS picture messages of new girls who have arrived and even send them to where i want to see them, even my home or let me check them out first.

So lets make the world a better and more efficient place and share the information. I'm willing to help anyone in need of some referrals because some of the scams out there such as 'conversational charges' applied in some of the places or overcharging grandma type *****s to be found all over the place really makes me want to cry.

BlnkNameCruiser
04-08-03, 15:10
MoneyTree,
Thanks so much for all the tips. I am a newbie and here for the long haul so I appreciate the assistance since this town is so damn big I need to narrow down my search to more realistic size....

Appreciate the help. Keep it up.
Feel free to email me
blanknamecruiser@hotmail.com

Shsboy
04-08-03, 19:54
Moneytree

would be great if you can email me with those info, I have some places/locations I can share with you and others.

Feel free to email me at shsboy20002@yahoo.com

thanks

BlnkNameCruiser
04-09-03, 12:14
roversman99
Please advise how you use yahoo messenger to chat with others. I have it and chat 1to1 but have not idea how you find others that you do not already know are on YM.

is there a forum to meet these people and then chat? some girl from Taiwan has found me and we talk a lot but I would like to find one here.

thanks
blanknamecruiser

Roversman 999
04-09-03, 17:20
Dear Blanknamecruiser, firstly..yahoo chat has become a firm favourite for my pick ups.. it worked perfectly in manila for five years and I scored many many times there. Heres what u do.Once Ym is running go to yuor Friends Page. Hit tools. Go to Manage Friends list and hit Search for a friend. In keyword type shanghai, gender female ( duh!!) people with pics.. and see who has the yellow light on. Say something cool and see who replies.Once they reply.. chat chat..be cool... smart and funny or interesting. Soon they will bite.then exchange phone numbers.. photos.. agree to meet..and take it from there. I been doing this a while and have a "winning formula " now.. but this is a great way ot meet regualr non pro people. Just make sure they dont get too clingy, or fall in love ..and make sure during one of chats that the sex subject comes up.. so they know your not there just for words... subject always comes up somehow anyway. Its worked for me wonderfully well.. in philippines, even scored twice in jakarta same way, in dubai also, in Hong KOng.. and its working here. It takes time but so does going to maoming lu and pciking up some old tart.
Good luck...and if you find any great new barber shops.. do share.....

BlnkNameCruiser
04-09-03, 19:13
roversman99,
THanks for the tip. I will give it a shot. I have YM running just didnt know how to find new people.

BarberShops
I went to the Crown Plaza (i think it is a holiday inn too)
I saw a million barber shops around the side streets surrounding the hotel. smart business people they are....

I took a peak in just about all of them. I walk slowly past the front door. If they dont jump to you and say Massage? then I skipped.

I found one, I sorry I forget the exact street, but very close to the hotel, and they invited me in. I got a great girl who is 23, gave me ok massage, not much hinting of extras (which makes the pursuit fun). She then started touching closely to my area... I rubbed her breast. Long story short, the massage fee is RMB100 for 1 hour. I got in her shirt and on both breasts, got her pants down, finger all over, her on the table while I DATY. She is meeting me tomorrow before work to come to my place for FS. She wouldnt do it there. I only tipped her RMB100 because I asked her not to "finish" my member since I wanted to continue the pusuit in another shop. Didnt find another so I am home with no completion, but had a great time. She asked for RMB300 tip. I said I am short the money, will pay her more when she comes to my place.

I will report back if we complete the deed.
blanknamecruiser

MoneyTree
04-10-03, 07:13
keep us posted on your progress. I also have fucked girls I met in chatrooms, to be exact I fucked 5 in the last 5 months including one friend of a girl I also fucked whom I met in a chatroom. But to be honest I find the effort to be quite high and the quality of girls to be tending from nerdy to low with the occasional good quality girl amongst many many piles of ugliness and girls who can't go out at night or are over 24 bored frustrated office woman who are panicking that they haven't found a husband yet.

Generally will also need to spend some time on bullshitting, calling, sending sweet messages, going out for food etc with no guarantees. doesnt sound like a good deal money and timewise to me now that i think back about it and compare to the quality of *****s I have fucked with the only effort of slapping their faces with some bills

Since Im having some time off in recent days I actually went out and about looking for some action with some fellow *****mongers.

One of the more interesting stories was we found a blowjob factory, the place had about 6 girls at a time to choose with about 3 girls working. You choose the girl and she will give you BBBJ in another room seperated only with cubicle style makeshift walls, the quality of the girls is not bad with some cuties but I would suggest the older *****s who can give amazing BJs including some games with hot and cold water etc. The room is quite dark though but depending on you and the girl you choose you will be able to touch her tits while shes doing it. My girl also pulled up her miniskirt and let me finger her pussy and bunghole while going at it. The overall price was 130 with 30 to the mamasan and 100 to the girl. Anyhow I think its a fair price. Heard a story of a small guy who lef t with us that if you last long enough about the girl will let you fuck her in order to finish you off and get some more business with no more to pay.

I believe the adress to be opposite huang pi lu (or was it huan pi lu) 675 with a gate and on top of the gate there was lit red writing on blue background. You would follow a trail of light through the backyard (not turn into the first door left, it will only lead into a mahjong gaming place) but along the house and left into a backyard past some old scrawny kitchen and up 1 level of stairs. inside the man will show you the room with the girls and your pals can chill out in the main room and watch tv and drink longjing tea.

Anyway I have some days off, so I'm looking to explore some more places for FS including hitting the clubs for some free fucks before resorting to my usual means of getting *****s.

BlnkNameCruiser
04-10-03, 12:35
moneytree and roversman99
I appreciate the address but I dont know how to find addresses in this city. I tell the taxi and show the pinging but they do not understand me. How do you navigate to a new area?

I was unable to meet the barber shop girl who is supposed to put out FS at my place because I had to leave town for the day. I hope I didnt blow my chances. I amheading out now to hunt....

UPDATE
It is now Friday and she has called me a few times telling me she misses me. I was unable to see her outside the barbershop unless she is off work. We agrees to meet when I return from a short trip.

will report back if I acquire the goods.....

blanknamecruiser

Shanghai
04-11-03, 16:49
I have found the place mentioned by moneytree. It is on Huang Pi Nan Road near He Fei Road. Unfortunately I was there a bit too early (4:00 p.m.), so there were no girls working in it and the guy inside told me to come after 8:00 p.m. Will try next time.

Ruf66
04-12-03, 06:33
Hi Guys,

Moneytree - great reports man. I am based in Hong Kong now (known as the Ghost Town) but travel to Shanghai on a regular basis. Last trip I met a russian girl in the Sheraton - which was a bit of a surprise. Bloody expensive but worth it. I am travelling up to Shanghai Monday and will be staying at the Sheraton - any area's around there you can recommend.

Have spent some time in the bars around the Hilton but now matter what could never seem to get the girls to come out of the bars - no matter how much I offered. Being drunk and horney one looses all sense of reality when it comes to price.

Great Idea with the Yahoo - am gonna try that later.

Anyone one party next week - I am in Shanghai Monday until Friday.

Have fun.

BlnkNameCruiser
04-12-03, 17:32
ruf66
normally I am happy to join you but this week I am with my boss from HK, so I will not be available, but let me know in the future....

blanknamecruiser

BlnkNameCruiser
04-13-03, 05:46
Report:
Free bar girl overnight.
I had checked out this Teppenyaki place with directly across the street from the front of the Crown Plaza, and diagonal across from Step Bar.

I hung out there and hit it off with a particular girl there who barely speaks any english.

I left before she finished working but she indicated to me she would spend the night.
I told her I would be back on a certain day.

My trip was changed and I went back a day early. She was off. I hit it off with the female boss owner. She flirted hard with me.

I went then on my trip. The bar girl came back to her work expecting me there but I was gone.
When I returned she indicated she really missed me. I continued to flirt with her and the boss.

The boss asked me out to dinner. She asked for it to be a romantic candlelight dinner. I am younger than her so I think she really likes this idea. She is still attractive to me, however maybe not as much to others if you prefer super young girls.

at 2am the bar girl got off work and I left with her to my apt. she acted like a GF on a first nite over. Very shy. We never discussed $$.

Ultimately we went to bed. I had to initiate everything, but when I did she cooperated hesitantly, as if I was a new boyfriend and not a trick. Despite her not letting me put my hands on her crotch, she eventually put me on top of her and slid in my member. We had sex that nite and the next morning (today). After we got up she left and went home.

FREE! That is great! I like this town....

blanknamecruiser

MoneyTree
04-13-03, 08:15
ruf66

I might be free after monday. give me a mail what day you want to go phunting I'm always happy to find some new girls. I can tell you what places to find what you are looking for I have stayed aroud there before.
puxilove@hotmail.com

won't post any more adresses here considering I actually put the existence of the previous mentioned blowjob factory in danger who now have a strong increase in foreign visitors and start drawing some police attention. dont get caught with your pants down when one of these places is raided.

MoneyTree
04-13-03, 08:23
on another note, that place does have quite some cute chicks I had the young one in a red top and black miniskirt. she has a beautiful body with firm tits and soft skin.

and she squirms when you put your finger up her ass :)

Lucky888
04-13-03, 16:18
Suzhou / KTV girl....Free

Learned a new 'trick' related to KTV over the past week or so. Was in Suzhou and a supplier took me to KTV. We go in and the waitress girl (the one who keeps your glasses full and makes sure you buy plenty of drinks and food) is pretty cute and starts talking to me in English while everyone settles into their couch and starts choosing songs.

The first set of girls come parading in. As the customer of my supplier, I get to choose first. As an experienced KTV'er, I pass on the round 1 selection of girls. Round two also looks less than optimal, and there are very few girls who can say more than 'hello' in English (which is just a little less than I can say in Chinese). Since round two of girls doesn't get my attention, I kept talking to the waitress.

Finally one of my supplier friends asks if want the waitress to sit and sing with me. Now, I didn't know this was possible, so I said yes, but in a joking way, expecting I would have to choose from round 3 of girls or the mama was going to slap me for insulting her brood. However, after the round 2 girls leave, I notice all my supplier friends have a girl next to them. Confused, I ask if round 3 is coming; they say, no, the waitress is going to change from her waitressing gown into different clothes so she can sing with you. Two minutes a later a new waitress walks in and starts pouring drinks. Cool!

Long story short, the waitress is my singing companion for the night. We had a nice night of KTV and dancing in the KTV disco. Afterward, we agree to meet the next day for some touring around Suzhou. We have lunch, visit some gardens and pagodas (which I had been wanting to do, but not particularly wanting to do alone) and dinner. Then it's back to the KTV, since she has to work again that night; a couple guys from my supplier join me. Again, she sings with me. After singing, her and I go out to bar for a few drinks and conversation.

It was obvious this was a bit unusual for her, and I was very clear to keep a quality guy profile so I could have a chance for more fun down the road. So, after a couple drinks at the bar, I dropped her off at her place and went on home.

During the week I emailed her some pictures of our daytime touristy outing. Said I'd like to hang out with her again. She replied to say she had a good time with me. No other communication.

Fast forward to the next weekend. One night supplier has a party night planned, so they invite me to KTV. I sms the girl that I'm coming and ask if she's available. She is, and we sing and dance and drink (which was great, since my suppliers had to choose from a comparatively unattractive set of girls this time). After KTV, we go to a disco for a couple hours to dance. In the taxi after disco, I ask if she's going to leave me for the night. Quickly becomes obvious she wants to stay with me...so we go back to my hotel and spend the night playing games under the covers, culminating in FS.

The experience is 100% GFE, though similar to blankname's experience below (I had to initiate everything). However, I'm a big fan of GFE. Now I have a KTV partner when I want, and the potential for fun and free lovin'. Oh, and she's a cute and high-energy, natural ~32C-23-32, too!

So the moral of the story is....never be afraid to ask the waitress or hostess at KTV to be your singing partner!

Good luck to all the singers and hunters

BlnkNameCruiser
04-13-03, 18:44
lucky888
Great story. your name/handle is very appropriate. Actually that is the type of patience that gets you this experience we call lucky. I had to play it for a few days too. That seems to pay off if you are content with working it a little in a relaxing atmosphere.

I went to the barber shop tonight next to Crown Plaza. Got a massage from Xie Fang, the girl I wrote about a few days back. She had called me earlier today and said "Miss you!" So I fell for it. during massage she offered to come to my pace overnight for RMB2,000. yea right....
1,500... no
1,000..... I was getting so turned on by her at this point I said ok, but then later backed out.
I tipped her RMB200 in the massage place. she wanted more. I got some DATY, but still only offered 200. Then on the way out she asked me to eat. I went and next thing I know she invited a friend. the food bill came to RMB 256. She sure knows how to make up for a bad tipper. I guess I fell for it this time.

I walked over to Charlies bar at Crown Plaza and immediately picked up an older pro. I just wanted a no feelings required FS. She asked for 1,500. I must have still had sucker on my face... We settled for 500 which is still probably too much for her but I wanted to have no trouble. She came to my place, and had a great attitude and left with no trouble.....

I guess you win some free and you pay double for some, I guess it all evens out...

blanknamecruiser

Superforce99
04-13-03, 19:21
Lucky and blank,

Thanks for the stories, it's why I love this board!

Johnny

P.S. Can anyone else guide me to other boards similar to WSG about China? Thanks
johnnykon666@yahoo.com

Lucky888
04-13-03, 20:56
Blank,

Glad you enjoyed my report. I enjoy your reports too--wishing I had discovered the Teppanyaki place; first I've heard of a restaurant score in Shanghai. I noticed you haven't posted much in the bay area lately, and I see below that you've moved over here semi-permanently...? Are you staying in the Crowne Plaza long term or looking for a serviced apartment or other options?

Regarding pay and your thinking about your 'sucker face'....the starting price depends largely on two things:
1) are you white?
2) do you speak any amount of chinese?

I swear that if you're white, you'll rarely have a girl start out asking for less than 1000 rmb. However, if you can ask her how much (initial inquiry) and respond with any decent amount of chinese during the negotiation phase, they will come down quickly (see my previous Suzhou mini-report). I've played the scene at HardRock Shanghai before and found this to be true. I don't have barbershop experience, though, but I do know that those girls should be cheaper than a bargirl or KTV girl (i.e. 500 is plenty to pay for barbershop girl, unless she is coming to your place for LT and multiple shots)

If anyone needs some basic Chinese help, let us know (if you don't, please don't be insulted by my asking). Going to the street markets (Yu gardens and/or XiangYang market) are good places to practice negotiating and get used to hearing numbers in Chinese. I can also recommend a good basic chinese book for RMB15.00 at the Xinhua bookstore: "Survival Chinese" by Don Snow, ISBN 7-100-3166-4

One last thought: if that girl called you, she has potential for a freebie eventually, but you may have to work it a while, as she sounds a bit money hungry. Then again, it sounds like you don't need barbershops....just eat Teppanyaki for dinner, and the boss or waitress for dessert!

Cheers,
Lucky888

Lucky888
04-13-03, 21:00
Originally posted by Johnnykon666
Lucky and blank,

Thanks for the stories, it's why I love this board!

Johnny

P.S. Can anyone else guide me to other boards similar to WSG about China? Thanks
johnnykon666@yahoo.com

Johnny, You've already found the best source of info. You can read a little bit here and there elsewhere.....but this is the only forum dedicated to our hobby (no other random off-topic shit bing posted); and the only forum I've found that has such high-quality posts (info you can really use, and enjoy reading). If you do find any other related forum, I recommend you steer the quality members over here (I did this with Icered, when I saw people literally copying posts from here and reprinting them there, without even giving credit to WSG).

One idea...if you're looking for a GFE (maybe free, too), and willing to invest a little time to achieve it, you might try reading the personal ads in that's shanghai online. Some of the ads in the various sections are definitely looking for more than just language exchange, etc.

suprgeek
04-14-03, 12:02
Just recently back in Shanghai, and after getting burned a little by funinchina last time decided to brave the maoming lu scene. So I arrive at around 11 pm in go into a couple of places: Judy's, Manhatten, etc... I'm the ONLY guy in any of the bars. What the hell happened! I know 11 pm may be a little early for Sunday night (?!), but the ONLY guy? As I walk into each I feel like a carcass of beef that just dropped into tank full o' piranhas. Well anyway, wierd though it was, it sure made for easy pickens. Negotiating was a snap as well, they were starting at 800 for LT and were going down from there. Ended up with a stunner from Nelly's with the biggest naturals I've ever seen on a petite Chinese girl.

Any easier and I may actually get bored (nah!)................

Member #4198
04-14-03, 13:34
1). another board to look at is www.crazys.net, but it is in traditional chinese. has some info and story on Shanghai, mainly by, of and for Taiwan businessmen or as shanghainese calls them "Tai Ba Zi" (meaning taiwanese countryside men, rightly so sometimes I feel)

2). Maoming Lu is dead on Sunday night through Tuesday night for obvoius reasons. On the point of Maoming Lu, I agree with Puxilove totally. It is a sure bet (sometimes too sure and too easy, takes the fun in hunting experience right out of it) if you stay 1-2 nights in Shanghai. But, it is one of few places, as far as I know, you can pick up girls among relatively larger pool after 2am. Of course, you might pick up some outside Hard Rock, on Ju Lu Lu or so forth.

3). KTV is not really for one or a bunch of foreigners with close to zero chinese ability. It is mainly for HK and TW people, of course some locals where they can entertain their customers. In shanghai, not all girls will Chu Tai (go out with you, meaning will have sex) with you first time you meet. So, if you go with your chinese host or sponsor, sure go ahead. Otherwise, I would not recommend it.

4). With so much emphasis on barbershop girls, I must emphasize that doing a barbershop girl in a barbershop is very risky (in terms of police) as these are raided the most often. Most barbershop girls will not go with you the first time you meet them, thus YMMV in what you talk to them and your manner, I guess. remember, if we foreigners get caught red-handed, most to pay is RMB5000, if they get caught, they will be doing 6-9months in jail and deported to their hometown. No joke for them.

5). The myth about chinese girls being conservative, well, remains just a myth. I actually picked up (if you could use such a word) a bank teller at the Shanghai Bund branch of the Citibank. It was great that these are educated, western leaning girls who you will have fun spend a little bit more time with.

so, let loose and happy hunting,

keep the info and stories coming folks, really enjoying them.

goldwind

Roversman 999
04-14-03, 16:42
well blank.. i got back from manila trip late today and read your rpeort..so,went by the crowne plaza.. had a very funny massage in one of the places there... funny in that its first massage i ever had where i didnt remove my clothes.. ( is this the norm here ?? i never knew)..anyways. 250 tip and all done. But.. i wasnt protesting..Id just been alone for a day in manila and had seen one sweet close friend and one very friendly bar girl in a hectic sunday. They still both love me dearly, but I had to tell the staff in the motel ( I used the same motel twice.. once in afternoon once in evening ) not to give the game away.. speaking of which, where do locals HERE take their part time gf's for afternoon delight. Maybe some of the older hands can tell us....in manila i can drive my car into a garage rom, no one sees who goes in or out of a room... same as tokyo and seoul..but whats the score here.
Anyways, three yahoo friends lined up this week. One is a definate. Met her last week for lunch.. she told me she was tall..but jeez..shes as tall as me..and Im 6ft.. im thinking how those legs are gonna be.. wrapped around me.. and I know its free.
This board is getting to be more and more useful. If any brothers here are off to manila.. wil be hapy to help with advice on the sights and sounds and names and places.

Roversman 999
04-14-03, 16:45
moneytree.. if any addresses come to mind of great must see places to visit for a newbie like myself.. feel free to send to blue_eyes_makati@yahoo.com.. thanks brother...

Lucky888
04-14-03, 19:26
Originally posted by roversman99
This board is getting to be more and more useful. If any brothers here are off to manila.. wil be hapy to help with advice on the sights and sounds and names and places.

I agree...people are sharing some good news and stories lately.

Originally posted by roversman99
moneytree.. if any addresses come to mind of great must see places to visit for a newbie like myself.. feel free to send to blue_eyes_makati@yahoo.com.. thanks brother...
But if people email you, they won't be sharing with the rest of us. And most of us, newbie or not, are happy to hear all kinds of tips. Let's keep things in the open, eh!?

In other news, I strolled past the Casablanca disco tonight in Suzhou, about midnight, and saw lots of girls getting out of cabs and going in the doors. Got a lot of good long looks and some smiles, but I wasn't looking for sport tonight. I've been told Casablanca is where many KTV girls go after hours for fun. Was in there the other night on a weekend, and the ratio of girls to guys was pretty good, even then (which was at 2:30-3:30am).

Cheers

BlnkNameCruiser
04-15-03, 15:01
Roversman99
I have never had a massage in China that they let me take any clothes off except one place that did oil massage, they let you ONLY take off your shirt. (that sucks....)

supergeek,(or any others who know)
What/where is Maoming lu? obviously some street. (lu) What is the deal there? Street walkers? I would love to check it out....

Lucky888,
I am white, but a fierce negotiator. I am not in the Crown plaza, I have an apartment near it so I just walked there one day and saw where the action is.
How did you know I was from the bay area? You really read that much of this board? Or do you go there too and saw my posts when you were doing your homework? I was very active there for a long time but am here now for about 90% of my time.

So.. any tips on street walker scene? Is that what maoming lu is? How do I get there? is there a big landmark hotel?

thanks!
this board is great.
blanknamecruiser

Ralph Kramden
04-15-03, 15:34
There is an English phone book with yellow pages available in most major hotels and other locations I am sure. Or look for That's Shanghai at Starbucks and on the web. Just locate the address for the Manhatten or Judy's Too, head there and you will be in the middle of Maoming LU. You might go to Julu Lu, just around the corner from the Hilton for street walkers. Use Good Fellas as your starting point. Don't expect any of the bar girls to leave before closing because they basically can't. Be sure and buy flowers from the 12 year old pig tailed girl who hustles them in every bar. She has the best personality on Julu Lu and likes to play slap hands and arm wrestle.

Westex
04-15-03, 17:33
suprgeek--can you give a little more detail about "getting burned a little by funinchina last time...."? I hired a young lady as guide from them for several days recently and found it well worth the money. The thing is, even though I actually first heard them mentioned here, Funinchina is NOT an escort service. But our guide (or "Private Secretary"--PS) spoke perfect english, helped alot in markets and stores, and totally knew the city sights, culture, and history (don't miss the Shanghai History Museum when you have a couple free daytime hours).

It was a great experience, so I'm curious how yours went wrong--I'd planned to use them again next visit.

and yeah, hard to miss on Mao Ming Lu. but I plan to broaden my horizons next visit with some of the info here.

suprgeek
04-15-03, 18:15
I hired a funinchina girl for a guide the last time in Shanghai, and at least hinted to the coordinator of what I was looking for. I got a beautiful girl, and a great guide, but not even a sniff of anything else. I did get exactly what I paid for though..... guided through Shanghai.

Blank - Ask anyone who can write Chinese (hotel concierge) to write down Maoming Lu and the cabbie will get you there, you could probably even say it and he will figure it out.

No "streetwalkers" when I was there, but bar girls were thick as thieves and anxious to leave.