2002-2006 East China - Shanghai

[Albert Punter]

Unfortunately, I won't be in Shanghai either.
Really bad luck.
Who will buy a beer for you ?



Hey big boys,

I'll be in the city that sits astride the river next week. I'll be in town from Tuesday, Feb 28 until Friday Mar 3. I usually hang with my good friend CaptainSH (who doesn't post much anymore), but I'm always keen to meet new friends. PM me if you want to exlore!

Cronin

[Ace Gallant]

Unfortunately, I won't be in Shanghai either.
Really bad luck.
Who will buy a beer for you ?

Not to worry, some of the regular shanghai members are still around. I'll press the button.

Sorry Cronin, just happens that I am out of town from today.

Cheers!

[Blacklisted]

Let's get something happening for the guest of honour. Any ideas? Shame AG is out of town... Damn.

[Ace Gallant]

Let's get something happening for the guest of honour. Any ideas? Shame AG is out of town... Damn.

Cronin... you just became the talk of this thread! hehehe...

Tripper, he don't get in till 28th... and me? I am sure you guys are good enough without me... be good...be gentle to the girls here!

[Benchan]

Hi,

Can I have her contact?

Ben


Just had another success on AFF. 30 year old from Hangzhou who lives in Shanghai now. Had to take her out three times before I got her into the sack but man was it worth the wait. Nice rack, BBBJ, FS and real GFE. Key is to offer her a real BFE I think.

Can pass info on PM only.

ES

[Ace Gallant]

DAVID,

Do not fucking care what stupid others say, I support you, AG, Tripper and any others who support you.

If it is a good nice place we should keep it available by keeping it in business.

I have not tried that place but any place that senior members had recommend must be good. Especially old timer like yourself, AG, AP...

I will be in Shanghai again mid march may be I should catch up with you guys than. I haven't seen AG for a while.

JM

JM,

Mind your language.... even if they have different views...but show some respect to fellow members, regardless whether they are regulars member or Senior members. If others do not subscribe to the ideal of keeping nice places in business, so let it be.

I might still be out of town mid March, if you come in PM me...

Cheers!

[King2075]

Hi,

Can i know shanghai, which part of the city or town can i get some beautiful chick to have fun with me? I will go shanghai and few near place around there for my company trip. Can anyone give me some guide for the girl or the places that may be danger if i go alone? Pls advice.

Thank you

[Gualtier Malde]

You'll want to concentrate on Puxi, rather than Pudong. Try the nightclubs, also look for street action around your hotel.

But the best recommendation is to Read The Forum First (RTFF) before asking basic questions. Everything you'd ever want to know is contained in these notes. Check out the Posts of Distinction for starters.

Shanghai is a safe city, so generally you don't need to worry about being in danger if you are alone. Especially in the nightlife areas in Puxi, like the Jing An district and surrounding areas. It is perfectly safe to walk around those areas at night (though be careful crossing the street, you might get run over. Cars have the right of way in this city).

Don't overpay - if you are paying more than 800RMB for an overnight, you are paying way too much. If you are paying more than 400RMB for a short term (1-2 hour single pop in your room) you are paying way too much. Study the forum, you'll see that folks can get much better prices. Shanghai is the land of intense negotiation, and there is no honor in overpaying. If you overpay you won't be considered a gentleman, you'll be considered a sucker.

Don't pay in advance when you get the girl to your room. If she insists on the money up front, she's going to rip you off. Kick her out! Pay no attention to her threats when you do that. If she threatens you harm, call the hotel manager.

Don't bother with the mamasan provided talent in your hotel's bar - you'll probably pay *way* too much. Don't bother negotiating with anyone who starts by negotiating in US dollars. They assume you won't know the local prices.

Good luck, and RTFF,

David


Hi,

Can i know shanghai, which part of the city or town can i get some beautiful chick to have fun with me? I will go shanghai and few near place around there for my company trip. Can anyone give me some guide for the girl or the places that may be danger if i go alone? Pls advice.

Thank you

[Albert Punter]

Dear King,

Before some other members jump on you telling RTFF, I suggest you read at least some pages, even randomly, and then specify what type of fun you look for: KTV, sauna, BBS, bar, freebies, etc. .

Then, you may be aware that in Shanghai, which is a quite vast city with more than 20 million people, areas where you can "get chicks" are many.
Therefore, please specify which area you will stay.

Basing on your indications, we will be more than happy to help you.



Hi,

Can i know shanghai, which part of the city or town can i get some beautiful chick to have fun with me? I will go shanghai and few near place around there for my company trip. Can anyone give me some guide for the girl or the places that may be danger if i go alone? Pls advice.

Thank you

[Ace Gallant]

Hi,

Can i know shanghai, which part of the city or town can i get some beautiful chick to have fun with me? I will go shanghai and few near place around there for my company trip. Can anyone give me some guide for the girl or the places that may be danger if i go alone? Pls advice.

Thank you

Here we go again:

King2075
Regular Member
Reports: 12

[Cebu Local]

Here we go again:

King2075
Regular Member
Reports: 12I think We can cut this guy some slack or give him a break,After all He has provided advice for people in Hatyai and He seems to have limited experience outside Hatyai.King Read the Forum,then ask specific questions not general questions,For example How would you react to question like,How do I find a nice Thai girl in Hatyai???or can I get extra service in a Hatyai MP??Cheers

[St Germain]

I tried a BBS up on Pudong Dadao that I hadn't tried before. Across the street from the Novotel and heading east from the intersection, there are 3 BBS spread along a 100 meter or so stretch. I didn't see anything I liked in the first two, but the third one had a reasonably cute one, about a 7 (an 8 if she were taller).

Mamasan said 150 for FS. I said ok. Yes, BBS pricing levels in Pudong have definitely come down recently. And I'm not Asian, so I expect to get quoted high.

Went into a back room with a door that was lockable, which is always nice. Service was mediocre. To her credit, she did take it all off. (I find that most BBS girls are too lazy to take it all off and it's a pain to have to convince them to do so.) But then it was all "hurry up" "you're too big" (I'm not) "are you done yet" etc etc. That always sucks.

So I wouldn't take this girl again. But the point here is that it's 150 for FS in this area, which isn't bad for renting a nice tight box, even if its owner isn't even remotely GFE-inclined.

If you don't see anything you like in these 3 BBS, keep going east for a couple hundred meters and you'll pass 2 more BBS. The first one is one of my favorites. They take you out back to an apartment, which feels safer, and the service has never been bad.

Count

[Ace Gallant]

I think We can cut this guy some slack or give him a break,After all He has provided advice for people in Hatyai and He seems to have limited experience outside Hatyai.King Read the Forum,then ask specific questions not general questions,For example How would you react to question like,How do I find a nice Thai girl in Hatyai???or can I get extra service in a Hatyai MP??Cheers

OK,

But I think at least he should read first and he should PM the member directly if he have questions on what in the post. Otherwise it will add those questions into your collections.

King: Please use PM and ask specific questions, and maybe you like to hang out with some of the fellows, some of the member hunt in packs, or offer to buy some member beers , be friendly in exchange for experience/information.

AG

[Gualtier Malde]

Hi all,

Rather than continuing the newbie bash, I decided to write the following. In the future, rather than say RTFF (Read The Forum First), you can say Read message number 4772!

Enjoy, and comments welcome.

A Shanghai Overview for the Visiting Monger

Welcome to Shanghai! While not the cheapest city on the planet to monger, Shanghai boasts a modern, upscale nightlife with women galore. The city is safe at all hours, and with a little luck you will find just what you are looking for in no time. You will find all kinds of women here, from every part of China, Vietnam, the Philipines, and Russia to name a few countries. Many, many women come here for sex, either for money or to become a businessman's mistress. In addition to the plethora of professional working girls, you will find many willing freebies looking for a relationship, and "semi-pros", or regular office working girls looking to supplement their incomes in the evening.

The City, Districts, and Culture

Before heading out for your first conquest, there are some things you should know about the city. Shanghai sprawls across both sides of the Huangpu (literally Yellow beach or sulphur beach) River. There are two major parts of the city: Pudong, or literally "Beach East", and Puxi, or "Beach West", better thought of as "East of the river" or "West of the river". Where do you think you'll have the best luck finding puxi, um pussy? :-) That's right. If your business or vacation lands you in a hotel in Pudong, you'll probably want to hop a cab for the nightlife in Puxi. However, there are mongering opportunities in Pudong, and I'll include links later for that.

Shanghai is divided into districts. Those districts may be identified on your tourist map, or they may not. Popular districts in Puxi for nightlife include Jing An, which hosts a number of popular bars and nightclubs, Lu Wan, where you'll find XinTiandi and its clubs and restaurants, and Hong Qiao, home of a couple of popular saunas and the BBS Village. These districts are large, however. Don't expect to ask a cabbie to drop you at Hong Qiao and then walk to the sauna!

The international airport is in Pudong, and the taxi ride from there to hotels in Puxi can take up to an hour. Many western technology businesses are located in Pudong, so if you are travelling on business there is a good chance you'll end up there. Not to worry, taxis in Shanghai are cheap and pretty reliable. However, getting a taxi at your hotel during the afternoon rush hour, or if it is raining, can be challenging. One way to get where you are going quickly is the subway. It is clean, fast, cheap, and safe. [Note: there are sometimes gangs of pickpockets in the subway system. Watch your wallet and valuables.]

People in Shanghai are generally friendly. However, most folks you encounter on the street will not interact with you in English. If you know Mandarin, great. But for those without Mandarin skills, your best bet is to check into a hotel catering to westerners, and ask your concierge for help in arranging transportation, reservations, etc. For example, if you would like a taxi to take you to a particular sauna, get the address and phone number from this forum, present that information to the concierge, and ask them to write down the address in Chinese for the taxi driver. They will happily do so with no judgement of your desire to go to such a place, so no need to feel embarrassed. Be sure to grab a hotel card for the return trip. Your taxi driver will not understand the western name of your hotel.

In Shanghai, the rule for mongers and sex workers is negotiation. You might think, as a westerner, that the amount you are negotiating over is small. After all, if the difference between your price and hers is 100RMB, that's only $12USD. But keep this in mind: in China, if you give in at too high a price, you aren't considered "noble" or "a gentleman." The Chinese girl will think one thing, and one thing only: you are a sucker. And if you are in a BBS (a quicky sex "Barbershop"), she will loudly proclaim such to her coworkers across the partition. So it pays to negotiate, negotiate hard, and be willing to walk away, even if she's pretty.

Prostitution is illegal in China, but you wouldn't know by wandering the streets of Shanghai. China is not tainted by the Judeo-Christian/Catholic-guilt influence. Prostitution is an irritant akin to smoking cigarettes in China. Not everyone likes it, but it is everywhere, and it is generally expected that if you are a businessman in China, companionship just comes with the bargain. No one considers suppressing the prostitution in Shanghai, unless an event happens that brings international press coverage to the city. Then you might experience a police sweep, but a week or so later, things will be back to the way they were.

Generally speaking, the average Chinese citizen will look the other way when they see you with a working girl, and no judgements or reprisals will be forthcoming. The rules for bringing a working girl into your hotel will vary by the individual establishment, however. It is worth checking the forum, or asking a fellow monger, if you have questions about your particular hotel. Most are "girl friendly".

The sex

Ok, enough already of the civics lesson! What about the sex?

Price notwithstanding, Shanghai is the city of sex. Once immersed in this city, you'll discover sex everywhere.

The Shanghai forum on the ISG is full of stories of new sex outlets within this ever changing city. Yet it seems that every month, sometimes every week, something new and creative appears. Like many new participants in the forum, you might be tempted to just ask for recommendations, either for specific women or establishments. In many cases, don't bother. Things change so quickly in Shanghai that your best bet is to pick up some general suggestions based on recent posts, explore these recommendations, find some new ones of your own, and post your experiences. The individual women come and go, BBs shops come and go, saunas come and go, but the themes remain the same.

Sex is either provided as a part of a business service, or it is provided by an independent working girl. Businesses that may offer sex in some form include KTVs (Karaoke bars), saunas and hotel health spas, massage parlors, foot massage parlors, and "Barber Shops". Except for the Barber Shops, sex is just one part, and an optional part, of the offering. Not all establishments provide sex, and of those that do, not all provide full service sex.

When a business service includes sex, the price you are charged for the service is "all in". You should not expect to pay a hidden fee to the girl, or to tip, when the service is complete. All charges are communicated up front. (The BBS can be an exception if you fail to negotiate properly. See the BBS section below).

There are no strip clubs in Shanghai. Not to worry, if you want to see a girl take her clothes off, either find one one on the street and bring her to your room, or head for a KTV! Not all KTVs include stripping girls, but some do, and I'll recommend one.

Independent providers

Finding independent providers is as simple as leaving your hotel room and heading for a nightclub, bar, or coffeeshop. There is no need to arrive in Shanghai with a list of pre-selected recommendations from forum members. The girls are truly plentiful. Nor do you need to have a world-class ego, capable of attracting women from across the room. In China, before you finish your first beer, the girls will come to you. It is nearly as simple as this: if a girl makes eye contact with you for more than 2 seconds, she wants you to take her home with you. Just approach her and say hi, she'll be all over you. In fact, you will probably be approached by girls you don't want to take home. Your problem will be one of getting rid of the ones you don't want, rather than attracting the one you do want.

With independents, you typically will negotiate for "short time" or "long time" service. Short time means one or two hours, and one or possibly more shots. Your mileage may vary with individual girl performance. Long time means overnight, or until you kick her out. Many girls will negotiate a long time rate, but then find an excuse to leave early. This is a little scam. If you don't want them to leave early, don't give them the full rate you negotiated. In any case, don't ever give them the money before they have completed their service. This means, don't pay up front, and for a long term, pay them just before they leave in the morning. However, if you negotiated a long term rate, but then you decide you want them to leave early through no fault of theirs, generally you should pay what your originally agreed.

Cleanliness is a big thing in China. When an independent comes to your room, she will expect to shower before and probably after. You should prepare for and expect her to shower. She will usually take her time. She may also use your toothbrush or toothpaste or both. If a hotel toothbrush is available, she'll use that. Keep your valuables locked up. These girls generally are not thieves, but why take the chance?

Independent providers will generally kiss (DFK), suck without condom if you choose (BBBJ), let you eat them (DATY), and fuck in your choice of positions. They may massage you. Any girl who does not fuck, or demands more money for anything beyond a handjob is a scam artist and must be kicked out of the room without payment. It happens, and this is why you do not pay up front. Rimming is not as common with independents (but is typical in saunas).

If you like the provider, and they like you, they will usually provide their phone number. You can then call them any time, no need to go out hunting. A semi-pro may decide she wants to be your girlfriend, and will call you (sometimes daily or more) if you show interest and provide a number. Or they will SMS you daily. You should decide whether you want this before giving out your number.

Some independents are cavalier about condom use. Be careful out there. Just because they are fastitidious about bathing doesn't mean they are immune from STDs. Always keep a supply of condoms handy. (Some will use the excuse of "no condom" to avoid fucking. That's a scam, kick that kind out.)

Many independents don't speak much English. Don't worry. Hand signs work great, and if all else fails, guide her body and hands to where you want her to be. She'll figure it out.

Some independents might want to take you to their home rather than your hotel. I have done this, and it is a serious adventure for a westerner who doesn't speak the language. I survived with no problem, but I don't recommend it at all until you have gotten very comfortable getting around Shanghai at all hours. You're better off finding a girl that will come with you.

Finally, as stated previously, 400RMB or less for short time, 800RMB or less for long time. Don't pay more, or you are a sucker.

Saunas

A Shanghai Sauna is a pretty unique experience. It combines a legitimate spa facility with a highly sexual finish. You can spend several hours in a sauna, enjoying the jacuzzi, steam room, showers, a variety of legitimate massages, dry sauna, etc., before you even get to the sex part. A sauna can leave you relaxed and satisfied in many ways.

Not all saunas offer sex. The clue is the pricing. Typically a sauna will post prices at the entrance or in the lobby. A sauna that offers a complete package priced at around 600-750RMB is offering a complete, full service experience. Many of the western hotels (5 star type) do not offer extra services, but may charge high prices. This is where your monger instincts kick in. If you do not know Mandarin, you'll just have to give your selected sauna a try, or stick to those recommended in the forum. If you do speak Mandarin, just ask for the manager and discuss the available services. In Shanghai, these things can be discussed fairly openly, in spite of (lightly enforced) Chinese laws. Besides, if you are a Mandarin speaking westerner you are not likely to be a Chinese authority. If a sauna offers a "special" massage or a "special" foot massage, that sauna is offering a sexual release of some sort as part of the massage.

Note that some saunas limit the service to hand jobs, or possibly a BJ. If you read of a sauna offering "red rope service", however, that is a complete, full service establishment. More on the red rope later.

A sauna can be very intimidating for a non-Mandarin speaking westerner. First, no one in the sauna is likely to speak english. Or they will speak very very little. Second, the sauna is filled with male attendants to help you with everything, from changing clothes, to legitimate massage, to (in some cases) washing your back when you are in the shower, and toweling you off when you are done.

This is the Chinese way, and there is nothing sexual about it. Just relax and go with the flow.

Speaking of flow, there is no need to know any Mandarin, because all Saunas work the same way. The flow follows. If you memorize this, you will know what all the talking and gesturing is about. Just do the next thing as they guide you:

1. In the lobby, indicate the service you want. This is easy. You are a westerner. They know why you are there (or point to the menu).

2. You will be led to a locker room. An attendant will show you a locker. He may help you undress. Don't brush him off, that would be rude. He is there to help. Trust me, he won't touch your dick. strip, put your clothes in the locker. You may be provided a small pouch for your valuables (phone, wallet, whatever). Some saunas lock them separately, some in the same locker, some have you carry your valuables with you in the pouch. You'll figure it out by the gestures.

3. You will be handed a key on a wrist band, a towel and be directed to the shower area. Find a shower and take one, just like the Chinese folks do. This will be the first of many you will take if you use all the services. Enjoy it.

4. Dry off. You will be in or near a room with steam rooms, jacuzzi, dry sauna, massage tables for legitimate massage, etc. There will probably be a big screen TV showing sports. Take the time to enjoy whatever you like. Relax, get comfortable. You're gonna have a great time!

5. After each thing you use, you'll likely be offered another shower. Indulge.

6. When you are done, take a final shower, and approach the area where an attendant has a stack of pajamas towels, and possibly slippers. Approach him, drop your towel, and don the pajamas. He will point you to an exit or will lead you to one. You will be directed to a lounge area with recliners and a TV. Sit, wait.

7. An attendant (typically female at this point) will offer a drink, possibly fruit. Relax, drink, eat, enjoy.

8. An attendant will approach and ask if you would like a massage. Accept this. Dwey! Hun Hao! Whatever, I don't speak the language. Just grunt affirmatively and go!

9. You will either be led to a room with your provider, or you will be shown a lineup. If the lineup, pick your favorite. If you are shown straight to the room, you can either accept or indicate as best you can to the person taking you there that you want someone else. When I can't speak the language, I generally just take the girl offered in that case.

10. From there, the provider will take the lead. If this is a red rope establishment, she will do things to you that you would not ever imagine a girl doing: a thorough tongue bath - I mean *thorough*. Long, relaxed rimming, unless you push her away. A "fire and ice" blow job (mouth filled with hot water, then suck suck suck, spit. Mouth filled with ice water, then suck suck suck, spit, wait for you to settle back onto the bed, repeat). A "red rope" blowjob - She suspends from the ceiling by a red rope. She sucks you. You do what you please with whatever you can reach. DATY, anyone? She will eventually move into a nice full service, which you can tune to your liking.

11. After, you will be cleaned on the table by the provider, helped back into your pajamas, and out you go. At this point, you will probably be taken to the shower. Enjoy your final one, then head to the lockers. The attendant will take your key and help you dress. You will then be offered a mirror with combs, brushes, etc. to finish up.

12. A final stop at the front desk is all that is left. Here you pay. Note that if you took advantage of any extra services, like a legitimate massage, the attendant may have had you initial or sign a slip of paper with a number on it. This is a tip sheet for that service provider. Typically this may be 30RMB or so. Some do this, some don't. But these amounts will be added to your bill, so be prepared for this. Pay, and depart!

A final note. On occasion, especially with less than full service saunas (HJ/BJ only) the final lady session may be billed to be a 2 hour massage. In those establishments, they may substitute the HJ/BJ for the second hour. You may be asked to confirm this with the front desk. If you are handed a phone, just say something like Dwey, or Hao, or Shu into the phone. Again, I'm not a mandarin speaker, but they should figure out from these grunts that you mean something like "right", "OK", or "Yes". The Happy Garden Sauna across the street from Malones will do this (they are a HJ/BJ only place, as far as I can tell).

Here are some highly recommended Saunas (use search to find their addresses on the forum):

1. Da Tang Yu Jing (west side of Puxi)
2. Yu Ping (Southwest Puxi)
3. Shanghai Hotel, 2nd floor (Jing An district, behind the Hilton)

You can search the forum for others, but these are great ones to start with. If you are in Pudong, you might search the forum for ones closer to you, but again, taxis in Shanghai are cheap! (If you can't find one closer, and you are in Pudong, the one in the Shanghai Hotel is the closest to you of the ones on the list above).



Barbershops

Ah, now we tread where the timid westerner fears... the Barbershop, or as we call it here, the BBS.

Barbershops are the down and dirty of cheap sex in Shanghai. At a Barbershop, if you negotiate properly, full service is had for 130RMB, and a handjob is no more than 50RMB. Yes, that's less than $25 for a fuck, and about $6 for a handjob. It's hard to beat those prices! On the other hand, with rock bottom prices come rock bottom service. A BBS is the fast food of Shanghai sex. Get in, fuck, get out.

Barbershops come and go in Shanghai. They are spotted by looking for the traditional barberpole. But you won't see anyone inside getting a haircut. Instead, you'll see ladies sitting in wait. The lighting may be pink (but not always), the windows may be frosted (but not always). But there will always be ladies, and no one getting a haircut. Some will make eyecontact and motion you in. Most others will not, and won't respond until you open the door.

Here's the deal. These folks definitely do not speak english. If you don't speak Mandarin, you are at a severe disadvantage. But you can use this to your advantage too. What you don't understand can't sway you. So stick to your prices, don't get talked into multiple girls, or higher prices. The price is this: 130RMB FS, 50RMB for less.

Many BBS will not do FS. The only way to know which ones do is to read the forum before you go. But these things appear and disappear weekly. Good luck finding one that was described here. The best thing is to go into them and keep asking until one agrees.

How do you properly approach a BBS, especially if you don't speak the language? First, follow this golden rule: Do not go into the back rooms until you have negotiated a price with the mamasan/manager. Do not negotiate with the girl. Approach the mamasan (or manager, that person will be obvious) up front, offer 130RMB, make a sign for full service (you can figure this out), and hold your ground. If they don't meet your price, walk out the door. Probably they will call you back. If you absolutely must cave in, absolutely must be a sucker, go up to 150RMB.

If you make it to an agreement, go back with the girl, sit on the recliner, drop your drawers, and she'll get you off quicker than a bronco in a rodeo. Hey, you wanted a 130RMB fuck, didn't ya?

Go with a friend, it's more fun when you hunt BBSes in packs.

One of the most famous areas for BBSes is called "the Village" on this forum. It is in the western part of Shanghai, around the Huangiao area. Search the forum for "village" and you'll get information. If you are in Shanghai, and want to make a trek out to the village in a pack, post a note on the forum soliciting hunting partners. You can usually scare up one or two folks to go with you.

There are some BBSes in Pudong. Search the forum for "Pudong" and "BBS" to find out more.

When you find a BBS that does do FS, you have an obligation to the forum to report its location. Post a report please!

Nightclubs

There are many good nightspots. There are several bars that are worth visiting in XinTianDi (XTD). This is a new, upscale, hip area with good nightlife.

For westerners, Bourbon Street and Zapatas are good picks when they are hopping (some nights can be dead at those bars). Get a local entertainment guide for the address, or search this forum.

If you are a westerner over 35, Malones American Bar is highly recommended. They have great live entertainment after 9pm, and the crowd is largely xpats and very comfortable. The music is great, and there are always a few girls there on the make, either semi-pros or full time pros, or sometimes just friendly freebies. Sunday may be slower there.

Near the intersection of Yan An Lu and Tong Ren Lu is a strip of bars, including Manhattan, Blue Angel, and many others. You can find street *****s strolling here, and you can also find girls willing to go home with you here. Manhattan will always have its share of easy pickings. Some nights it will be heavily weighted with filipinas that the bar owner pays to attract customers. Pretty much all of them will go home with you, but that will be a filipina experience, not a chinese one. Not that it is a bad experience - they speak english well, and personally I sort of like the little brown fucking machines produced in the Philipines. Wear a condom, they are all catholic and don't use birth control!

Along Mao Ming Lu, also in the Jing An district, you'll find bars that amazingly have the same names as the ones above on Tong Ren Lu. They are owned by the same owners, but are older versions. Rumor has it that the Mao Ming Lu bars will be closed before long. Manhattan bar, on Mao Ming Lu, is basically Little Manila, filled with cute filipinas, dancing on the bar to house music. It is a must visit bar if you like filipinas.

A poster on the forum recently posted ladies nights. Search for it. These will probably vary from time to time, but needless to say, those bars will probably be hopping on those nights.

There are many small bars in Shanghai that are filled with women, whose job it is to get you in, get you drinking, and get you to buy them drinks. The good news is that unlike Hong Kong and Japan (and the US), these are not generally high priced hostess bars, where each drink is going to cost you $50USD. You can actually have a pretty good time, snuggling with a cutie, and periodically buying them a drink. You can also choose not to buy them a drink in most bars. Some of these bars have a side area, or upstairs area, where you can take a girl and she'll give you a hand job or blow job. In a few, you can get full service. The forum suggests some, they won't be mentioned here due to the risk of their exposure and shut down. Seek, and ye shall find.


Hotel bars

Unless you like paying US prices or more for your Chinese lady, these are to be avoided. Instead, if you will make frequent trips, get to know the Mamasan who approaches you in the bar. Turn down her offer for girls, buy her a drink, make a friend. Tell her you don't pay high prices, only local prices. Perhaps she'll find you a girl for less, perhaps not. Perhaps you'll make a friend and she'll go home with you herself for free. Who knows? Good luck!

KTVs (Karaoke Clubs)

If you like the high prices in hotel bars, you'll love going to a KTV! Actually, a KTV can be loads of fun, especially if you bring friends. A KTV is not a great experience for the single monger, unless you possess two things: plenty of money, and Mandarin skills. Otherwise, save the KTV club for group outings.

Don't expect to have sex in a KTV. Most KTVs are places to drink, sing to the Karaoke machine, and flirt with a group of very cute Chinese women (at least one per patron).

KTVs vary in their conservative or liberal slant towards sex. Within the KTV itself, some girls themselves are more or less open to touching, kissing, etc. As with anything in life, there are varieties and you should be aware that each individual, and each company, will run things in a particular way.

With that said, though, how do KTVs work, and what do you need to know to enjoy one (and not get ripped off)?

Let's start with the KTVs themselves. They vary in style from lavish, Las Vegas sized establishments with literally hundreds of girls (one I attended had 800 girls working that night), to smaller, more plain (but still nice) venues.

KTVs serve a largely Chinese and Japanese clientele. It is relevant to know if they are biased toward the Japanese customer, because the Japanese businessmen do not negotiate hard. They get charged much more for service than any other customer. If you go to those establishments, you'll probably pay more than the already high prices. As you might expect, then, KTVs tend to market to the Japanese businessmen.

Regardless, these folks are not going to be speaking to you in English. You really do need to have a Mandarin speaker with you when you go. But I'll give you an overview of what to expect, so if you do want to try it on your own, you'll have a clue about just what is going on, and perhaps you'll have a basis for gesturing your way to what you'd like.

When you enter the KTV, you will be met at the entrance by some type of manager. This man or woman will determine what sort of room you would like, depending upon the number of people accompanying you. You will be charged based on the size of the room, so don't let them offer you a room larger than you need. Considering that you will be sitting down most of the time, with your dates, you will need enough room to sit for twice the size of your group. Don't worry about more, unless for some reason you are feeling grand.

You will negotiate for the room charge, which will probably include a bottle of Chivas or similar. Recently a group of ISGers got a room for 5, with a bottle of Chivas, and we negotiated 1000RMB for the room and bottle. You can order more if you run out, and try to negotiate a good price when you do it.

At a KTV, you will pay for room, bottle, fruit plate, etc. Negotiate an all inclusive fee for that up front, don't wait until the end to get surprise charges.

You will also pay a tip for each girl. Figure somewhere between 200-500RMB, negotiate this up front. You will also tip the hostess who controls the Karaoke, and the waiter who brings in snacks. Figure 100RMB for the waiter, 200RMB for the hostess. Get this nailed down at the beginning too. Finally, you may be expected to tip the Mamasan who brings your selection of girls. We've argued over this. I think you should budget to pay upwards of 300RMB, but again, negotiate this up front before the girls arrive.

If you want girls that will be willing to go home with you after, you need to say so to the Mamasan (manager) up front. If they have those kinds of girls, they are the ones that will be brought for your selection. You can probably ask for the fee, there is usually a rate for short/long term. Again, ask, negotiate, up front.

Finally, after everything has been agreed to, you'll sit, and the Mamasan will bring in a selection of probably 10 or so girls. You can choose from this set, or wait for more. They have plenty, and will bring girls until you find one you like. Choose, she'll come to you and sit. If you don't speak Mandarin, ask the Mamasan to bring girls that speak at least a little english. Note that if you don't like the girl after your selection, you have about a 10 minute "trial period" during which you can call Mamasan back in and change girls.

Once you've all chosen, the party begins! You drink, sing, cuddle. Some KTVs have girls that will dance naked for you, most won't. But most will get at least a little frisky - kissing, cuddling, maybe fondling may be on the agenda. You'll also play drinking games with dice, and the girls will sing. Some sing well, but they aren't necessarily chosen for their voices.

Stay as long as you like. Eventually, the booze runs out, and you are ready to go. Tell the hostess you'd like your bill, and all the previous negotiation should eliminate any surprise. But check it anyway. If you want to take your girl home, now is the time to work out those details with her and Mamasan. If you don't, that's OK. You can also ask for her phone number. Many times they will give it to you, and you can call them another night. Give her yours and she may call you the very next day asking to go out. You lucky dog!

We had a great time at a KTV called Die Lian Hua. Their number is 13236669199. You can have your hotel staff call them for the address. I highly recommend a Mandarin speaker go with you.

This particular KTV will provide girls which get quite, um, progressive. They will dance naked, and allow you to dance with them while they are naked. They did not allow sex in the room, but things got pretty heated otherwise. Lots of touching, fondling, deep kissing, etc.

Since KTVs are so expensive relative to other Shanghai experiences, we don't see too many reports on the forum with recommendations. If you go to a KTV, please write a report and share your experiences. But remember, negotiation up front is the key to a successful KTV experience. Don't walk into a KTV unless you are prepared to pay a significant amount for your partying fun. Good luck!

[PassinThrough]

I noticed a while back there was a discussion of cover charges at Bourbon Street and if they had them or not. I have been there a few times but last night was the first time I had to pay a cover to get in. They were charging 50RMB and they gave you a coupon that was good for a drink so it really was not a big deal.

It was pretty crowded on Friday night with most of the action happening on the first floor. The second floor had a lot of people but it looked more like couples or people that had already paired up. The first floor was the usual meat market with the girls walking around trying to make eye contact. Lots of western guys there as usual and a few single western women but I don't think they were looking for work.

I ended up with a nice girl who spoke English well, I brought her home and discovered to my delight that she was shaved. Something that I don't see much in China. She was OK in bed, not great. We slept in and she left around 1:00 PM. All in all not a bad night.

PIT

[Red Rock II]

David,
Excellent post! Very well written. I am a frequent visitor to the forums, but I have not seen such quality post for quite while. Thank you very much!

[Cebu Local]

David
Great Service to all the Newbies to Shanghai,Defenitely Report of distinction Matieral

[Ace Gallant]

That was great Post!

Hope that with this, the newbies should know how to post!

Newbies: With this details from David, I don;t think there shouldn't be anymore post like "Coming to town for XXXX can I know where can I find XXXX"

Enjoy Shanghai!

[Ace Gallant]

David
Great Service to all the Newbies to Shanghai,Defenitely Report of distinction Matieral

I second that!

[Mianbao]

Fantastic comprehensive guide to Shanghai just now.

To fulfill my 'duty' of reporting BBS with FS, there is one on WuDing West Rd near Jiangsu Lu intersection. Almost opposite a French restaurant, white lighting instead of pink. Mirrors but no haircutting and bored looking girls as per usual BBS appearance.

Quality of girls is quite good, I would say 7/10.

If you are an expat they will start with a stupid price like RMB500, don't accept! I have negotiated with the girls directly, possibly negotiating with the john at the door might be a better idea.

I have only dined in, but have seen the girls getting in taxis, presume on their way to call-outs.

[Gualtier Malde]

Thanks guys. Just wanted to give back a little. I have to edit it to add some promised links, and fix a typo or two. But that will be later. Also thanks Red Rock for putting it in the reports of distinction! I'm blushing!

David


I second that!

[Rikac]

THIS CORRECTION OF MY PREVIOUS NOTE Please accept my apology;

Dears members (especially seniors),

I am very fresh member and I have a Shangai business visit and need your very valuable (especially from seniors) advise and contact numbers by PM. Economy, Safety and quality is very important for me. (Is it imposible three of them? ).

Please remember after I come back, I promise I will write the all story with picture if I can. Otherwise you say RIP for the one of your very fresh members.

[Buzz00]

I see that Rock Dog beat me to putting the report in the distiction column
where it no doubt belongs :

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=945

Definitely tempts me to get on a plane and go there.

Cheers

[Santa]

Great report David. I guess that is why they call Shanghai "The ***** of the East", and that's why we love her so much.

[PassinThrough]

David,

Great report. I wish it had been around before I came to Shanghai, instead I had to RTFF. Looking forward to exploring a little more if the city when you are here.

PIT

[Jacka969]

Great report David! Very thank you from a newbie.

D-50 for the first time in China.

J.

Hi Jacka969,

Did you consider posting a link to his report in the "Reports of Distinction" thread in the China section?

Thanks,

Jackson

[Diamond Head]

Thanks for the report DZ. It will be very helpful for my Shanghai trip two weeks from now. I'll update some of your recommendations for the board, a Shanghai firstcomer's experience anyway.

[Ace Gallant]

THIS CORRECTION OF MY PREVIOUS NOTE Please accept my apology;

Dears members (especially seniors),

I am very fresh member and I have a Shangai business visit and need your very valuable (especially from seniors) advise and contact numbers by PM. Economy, Safety and quality is very important for me. (Is it imposible three of them? ).

Please remember after I come back, I promise I will write the all story with picture if I can. Otherwise you say RIP for the one of your very fresh members.

Economy, Safety and quality

These three don't usually come together.

May be you can let us know which area you are staying (Pudong/Puxi/HongQiao or Hotel...etc..) for a start and it will be easlier for us to give you the locations or numbers.

Also on Economy and quality: it is very subjective. a 9 to us may be a 5 to you. Can you also tell us what kind of "Quality" and "Economy"?

In my experience, you pay a price for Quality. But the are always exceptions.

Safety.... of course! Who want to wander into danger?

Sharks... now I sound like a pimp!

Hope you find what you wanted!

[Gualtier Malde]

Hi Rikac,

Suggest you read report #4772 for starters. It should give you a good starting point for asking deeper questions.

David


THIS CORRECTION OF MY PREVIOUS NOTE Please accept my apology;

Dears members (especially seniors),

I am very fresh member and I have a Shangai business visit and need your very valuable (especially from seniors) advise and contact numbers by PM. Economy, Safety and quality is very important for me. (Is it imposible three of them? ).

Please remember after I come back, I promise I will write the all story with picture if I can. Otherwise you say RIP for the one of your very fresh members.

[Tony Soprano 1]

David,

That was excellent! Taking the time to do so thorough a post for all who are new to Shanghai is commendable.

I am a long time lurker and reading your report will change me into a poster. I guess I should be as generous sharing info as you and the others have been. I will be back in Shanghai in April so expect to see something.

I have spent a lot of time in Shanghai experiencing many of the delights you mentioned. Yu Ping Sauna is a favorite along with a certain pub which you wish to remain nameless.

FYI. I have had FS at Happy Garden on the few occasions that I have been there.
Blue Lagoon sauna is another place I frequent because it is local to where I stay. It is not as nice as Yu Ping (not as expensive either) but it is OK. Located just north of Nanjing Lu. I can remember the exact street it's on but it is the one east of Shan Xi Lu.

Cheers!

Tony

[Gualtier Malde]

Hi all, I edited post #4772 to add a KTV section. Comments welcome. I can't say I'm a true KTV expert, but I reported based on my own experiences so far (three visits). Feel free to correct any mistakes or make suggestions through public posts or PMs and I'll update the post.

David

[Weelock]

Hi all, I edited post 4772 to add a KTV section. Comments welcome. I can't say I'm a true KTV expert, but I reported based on my own experiences so far (three visits). Feel free to correct any mistakes or make suggestions through public posts or PMs and I'll update the post.

David

Hi David,

The post 4772 is about exchange rates in Argentina. Is this correct?

Weelock

[Gualtier Malde]

You're quick, Weelock. I just noticed the "post" vB code doesn't seem to work as I expected. I edited it out for the moment.

David


Hi David,

The post 4772 is about exchange rates in Argentina. Is this correct?

Weelock

[Gualtier Malde]

OK, I edited post #4772 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=437583&postcount=4772) to add a KTV section. Comments welcome publicly or by PM.

David

[Kelly 13]

After some serious RTFF on saunas, I decided to try my luck with Waves. Being a person who likes to take a chance, I didnt make any requests for specific females and decided to leave it all to fate. Or who ever was available. I have been there twice for the special leg massage in the past week with different results.

706-7/10-26 years old. As previously mentioned, she is a bit bigger than your average Chinese girl but my oh my the hand job she gave was, IMHO, outstanding. It lasted for about 45 minutes and she used lots of oil. She kept me on the edge for about 30 minutes. Numerous times I was getting close and she could tell. She would bring me right to the edge then. Slow it down. I cant remember how many times she did this. Every time giggling when she did this. Finally I could tell when she was going to let me finish it off as she placed her free hand over the end to prevent a massive mess. Although this really didnt help as the first surge shot over her hand onto my robe. I admit, my recovery time isnt what is used to be and being thoroughly drained from the 45 minute hand job, I happily left with only one shot. There was plenty of time for another but there was no way I was going to top what had just transpired. Oh yeah, her day off is Saturday.

703-8. 5/10-19 years old and from Chongqing-this time around the girl was much cuter but the time I had was not as satisfying. It turned into more of a GFE all at her instigation. She wanted to kiss, cuddle and hug. All the while basically ignoring what was happening to me down below. Very little oil used and at the end of it all I could have done a better job myself (not that I will or want to in Shanghai! ) In my very inadequate Chinese, I was able to discern that she likes to go out and party but not sure when she does this as she gets off work at 3 am. She asked me to go with her as none of her friends there like to go out and drink. I was able to get her number but still in debate mode.

I am a huge fan of the rub and tug and will be going back on a weekly basis. I still havent tried the red ropes in China. That is next on the agenda. Now if I can only figure out how to become a VIP I would be able to get red ropes and a rub and tug in the same day.

[Kelly 13]

If you have been there, you may want to add Waves to the list of Saunas.

I would also like to commend you on the report. Fantastic.

[Cebu Local]

Thanks for your guide and maybe We will have less hilarous questions like the latest ones for my collection
From the Shenzen Board,Is it safe to bring girls to your room??and What happens If the Police catch you in the middle of p4p???All Hail David

[St Germain]

After quite a bit of bargain basement BBS-ing recently, I decided to binge. So I took the advice of other posters here and headed over to Da Tang Yu Jing.

Everything was pretty much as advertised. 650 RMB for the works.

After the shower and hot tub, they brought 3 girls to my private resting room. I said no to all of them and so they brought in another 3 girls. One of them was a solid 8, so she was it.

The catbath, AR, etc. was great, as usual, and the girl had a very good attitude, but it still felt a bit mechanical, which I suppose is hard to avoid since the girl has undoubtedly done the routine countless times.

After the catbath, she rubbed oil on my body and then proceeded to use her mouth as a sort of suction cup going all over my skin. It felt as if she were taking off a giant band-aid, yet it was somehow strangely pleasurable.

Then came the red rope trick. Wow. My first time for this and hopefully not my last. She threaded a red rope through the bars in the ceiling. Then she got onto the rope, hung upside down and gave me a BJ while I was lying on the bed. At that point, I was thinking, hm, this legendary red rope trick is creative but still nothing special. I was then proven wrong when, with my dick still in her mouth, she spun herself around a few times, effectively winding up the rope. Then she let loose and spun around quickly about 5 times, all with my dick ensconced deeply in her mouth. I nearly exploded right there. To my delight, she repeated this about 3 or 4 times.

I wonder if the sauna operators have a think tank or R&D center where a bunch of people sit in a room and come up with these things.

(Now I am thinking how to convince my gf to do this for me. But then that would lead to all sorts of questions about how and where I learned it. No, better not go there.)

So, after FS in several positions, we cleaned up, I took a final shower and was led back to my private resting room. Then a very pretty girl in a short skirt opened the door and asked if I wanted a foot massage. I wasn’t in the mood for it so I said no, but I guess the foot massage might include a supplementary HJ as they sometimes do at Skyline. I should have asked.

Anyway, Da Tang Yu Jing is first on the list of sample saunas in David’s superlative Intro to Shanghai post for a very good reason. It is definitely worth the visit.

Count

[Sly Guy]

The famous BBS by the Carrefour/Homart is back in business. Aparantly they were closed late last year for rennovations. Well, it's not exactly new and shiny, but it's okay enough. There's a google of girls. Service is mixed. Whole package for 150rmb.

Exit LianHua Lu Station off the one. Go over skybridge. Go past Homart parking lot, make a right. It'll be on the corner on the left handside. Skanky.

[Sly Guy]

Tried out secret agent 709 at Waves Sauna for a happy handjob. Pretty much as described. She's a cute 8/10 from Yangzhou. Giggly.

Price was higher than I thought, 448. But it's all you can squirt. Did tug of war with my rope for three shots. You can shoot off as much as you want though and she'll just rinse her hands and repeat. Her skill level was a 7/10.

Two hours of masturbation is what it is.

Waves is a nice clean sauna. Shower boys are now sporting Pistons basketball uniforms. There really is a whole basketball team of them in there.

Shanghai is f'ing cold today.

[Zoo TV]

Hey guys,

Just want to poll the forum. For mongering purposes which is better Shanghi or DG. I know that DG is harder to get to but Im flying in from the US. Any of you have mongered in both places give me a vote on one or the other?

Oh I speak fluent Mandarin so language is no prob.

Thanks in advance,

ZooTV

[Barca Paseo]

OK, I edited post #4772 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=437583&postcount=4772) to add a KTV section. Comments welcome publicly or by PM.

DavidI have had quite a bit of experience with KTVs in Singapore, HK, and Shanghai, and this is a very good summary. Just was in Shanghai a few weeks ago for several days( used to keep an apartment here in 2001-2002 for all the business trips) after a 3 year absence. Unfortunately, I did not get up to anything on this trip due to circumstances, but I will be back there soon and will report on any escapades.
Only comments that I can make: it is not common, in fact somewhat unusual in my experience, to find KTVs where the girls will dance naked, so consider yourselves lucky to have one highlighted.

Also, as mentioned you might have a difficult time negotiating in Shanghai without Mandarin and you could find the bill to be much higher than expected as a result, so be warned.

Great report; Everything is spot on.

[Gualtier Malde]

DG? Forgive my ignorance. Diego Garcia?

David


Hey guys,

Just want to poll the forum. For mongering purposes which is better Shanghi or DG. I know that DG is harder to get to but Im flying in from the US. Any of you have mongered in both places give me a vote on one or the other?

Oh I speak fluent Mandarin so language is no prob.

Thanks in advance,

ZooTV

[Ace Gallant]

DG? Forgive my ignorance. Diego Garcia?

David

I think he meant Dong Guan?

[Sanshiro]

I know there are stretch limos for hire in Shanghai. Anyone used one of these for in car fun? If so details would be appreciated.

[Bad Boy Billy]

I know there are stretch limos for hire in Shanghai. Anyone used one of these for in car fun? If so details would be appreciated.

Mate
I used this service back in November to inpress 2 gorgeous little Shanghai creatures - this service was great - very prompt - very professional:
Asialimo
www.asialimo.com
Suite 9A
10 Shun Chang Road
Shanghai 200021 China
Tel : 86 21 5358 0168
Fax: 86 21 5358 5084
Email: info@asialimo.com

Here is their original offer to me:
Dear XXXX,

Thank you for enquiring about our rates. The 2003 stretch limousine is 100 USD/hr, for a 3 hour minimum. 10 km/hr is included, anything above 10km in one hour is 5 USD/km. There is also an 18% gratuity charge. Price includes complete service, stocked wet bar, and an English speaking concierge. We guarantee the highest quality of limousine service in China.

Best Regards,

Asialimo

My response to them:
Dear Asialimo
Thank you for your response to my email. However as much as I really want to use your service I feel your USD300 charge for 3 hours is indeed excessive. I would really like to book your service for 3 hours on Thursday Nov 10 from 7pm to 10pm - Hua Ting Hotel to Xin Tian Di and return and am prepared to offer you USD200 for this 3hour period plus the excess of USD5/km x 6km plus 18%. Please let me know if this is suitable.
Rgds
XXXX

Their rersponse:
Dear XXXX,

Since you would like to make a reservation on a non-weekend evening, we see no problem with reducing the price to your suggested amount. Please let us know if you would like to confirm this reservation.
The limo will be stocked with one complimentary bottle of French Grand Imperial Brut Champagne, soft drinks, and beer.

Best Regards,
Asialimo

As you can see - a bit expensive for a location for just 'in car fun' - but I had business partners and 2 little stunners to impress - so it worked fine. There was plenty of 'in car fun' - but the most fun was had back in my hotel later - the Limo was an ideal tool to loosen the girls to almost total submission.

[Dewdrops]

The famous BBS by the Carrefour/Homart is back in business. Aparantly they were closed late last year for rennovations. Well, it's not exactly new and shiny, but it's okay enough. There's a google of girls. Service is mixed. Whole package for 150rmb.

Exit LianHua Lu Station off the one. Go over skybridge. Go past Homart parking lot, make a right. It'll be on the corner on the left handside. Skanky.Went there but didn't find anything. Theres a narrow lane with small shops. Leading up to Gumei road

[Sly Guy]

Went there but didn't find anything. Theres a narrow lane with small shops. Leading up to Gumei roadAs soon as you make a right past the Homart parking lot, it'll be on your left hand side. It's the first BBS you see on your left on that stretch of small road towards Gu Mei Lu. It's on a corner across from this small shop that sells yummy Guizhou flatbread.

[Roverboy]

[QUOTE=David Xyzzy 1]Hi all,

Rather than continuing the newbie bash, I decided to write the following. In the future, rather than say RTFF (Read The Forum First), you can say Read message number 4772!

Enjoy, and comments welcome.

Great Info and writing style! I will be in SH end of March for 5 days (maybe now seeking extension of time from my co) and certainly look forward to verifying your report.

[Ace Gallant]

Why go all the way to the Village if you stay in Town?

Tripper, Passinthough, Mock A Bee and I went on an BBS hunt on Monday night on Chang De Lu. As in one of my previous report, there are at least 20+ BBS along this road and some cross road along the way.

We got off the Cab at Chang De Road after the Yi Yao Lu junction and started the hunt. Saw a numbers of BBS with at least 5 to 10 girls in each. The girls fares from 5 to 8 (Having seen any 9 or 10) 50 for HJ, BJ FS available in some for around 80 to 120.

As I pass this road everyday, I counted that there must be at least 20 to 30 BBS some small little shops and some big and bright.

I think for those who do not like to go too far to the Village, this may be an alternative location.

Enjoy!

[Sniffer]

AG: Thanks for the info. Do you know if these BBS allow take out? And what's the take out price like? Thanks!

Sniffer


Why go all the way to the Village if you stay in Town?

Tripper, Passinthough, Mock A Bee and I went on an BBS hunt on Monday night on Chang De Lu. As in one of my previous report, there are at least 20+ BBS along this road and some cross road along the way.

We got off the Cab at Chang De Road after the Yi Yao Lu junction and started the hunt. Saw a numbers of BBS with at least 5 to 10 girls in each. The girls fares from 5 to 8 (Having seen any 9 or 10) 50 for HJ, BJ FS available in some for around 80 to 120.

As I pass this road everyday, I counted that there must be at least 20 to 30 BBS some small little shops and some big and bright.

I think for those who do not like to go too far to the Village, this may be an alternative location.

Enjoy!

[Ace Gallant]

AG: Thanks for the info. Do you know if these BBS allow take out? And what's the take out price like? Thanks!

Sniffer

One of the mamasan told me that it is 500 for ST while the other said they don't do take out (I think that is BS). But I reckon (As always) you can negotiate it down to 300 for ST and 500 for LT, again it will depends on the time you want to do Take out.

Also, mamasan and the girls will rather you do her inside the shop first than do a take out... (Of course they will make more money from that). What I always do at BBS if I spotted one that I like, is to do a normal HJ, BJ in the shop and ask for her cell# than date her out on her off days or if she doesn't have a off day, date her out in the day time on low days like Sundays, Monday and Tuesday. That way you can negotiate the price better. Who knows... you may get a Freebie? I had my fair share of luck on freebie.

AG

[Dragon D]

Take out is an option usually if you are an old client or speak Chinese.

Went to my old Hang Hua BBS and there were plenty of hotties. Got a nice Sichuan girl with a good rack and had a hell of a time. Total damage for an old client, 130 RMB. If you want to order take out, you can PM me and I can arrange it for you since I know the pimp very very well. Stay safe and keep on enjoying.

[china]

Went to the row of BBS behind the trees and pick a Shangdong girl. Took her home for 300 kuai for 2 hrs. Tall and big girl. Told me she's 20 but more like 17. Quite new to trade, not BJ but allowed daty, almost hairless, nice clean pussy. Got hr hp will call her direct on her off days.

[Ace Gallant]

I passed a Sauna "Cheng Baoli" on the way back from a client office. Decide to check it out.

The place from outside is lined with Neon Sign and lots of Chinese words. Went in and the counter girls looks surprise (I guess I was too early, it was only 1am) So I asked about the services, and timing. The Counter girls than got me attended to by the manager who lead me into a VIP room. At first the Manager was relactant to offer me the FS option but after some conviencing that I am not from the Authorities, we became "Friends" (The secret: Told him I will be able to bring in lots of Foreigners customer if the service is good). He told me that the best time to come to the sauna is between 4pm to 8pm, mainly because they have the best and most girls in that shift. After a chat he fixed me up with his so called best attendent in his sauna. She wasn't in the sauna at the time but he called her on the mobile and get her hurried over as he said that she stayed in an apartment very near by. One of the main reason he said why 4 - 8 is because some of his best girls also works as dancers or freelances in Discos, I mentioned "What about Babyface?" He answered : Not sure, may be I can ask the girls.

After 45 mins of chatting, while I got a foot massage done, the beauty knocked on my door and the Manager quickly introduce her as Xiao Hong, the beauty and pride of his Sauna; Indeed! She is a Beauty! I would rate her as a 9! Fair skin, about 1.7, young looking (I found out she is 22), Slim and she told me later she is a Shanghai local. Well she does looks like a typical Shanghai girl....

As I stood up to leave for the Massage room, the manager said... its ok... you can do whatever you want in this room if you do not want a massage. Well... I thought that's something for a change! Afterall the door has no glass panel.. and it has a lock on it. The manager left me and Xiao Hong Locking the door behind him. Party began.... and I must say... Lot of GFE.. and eventually I pop after half an hour. The cons :she has a A cup breast and is not that good at BJ. She asked me if she should get an implant which I told her she should try the Japanese Breast enlargement.

I tried to get her number and she refused by saying that she wants to get to know me more before she will do that. She don't usually go home with Strangers as she said that one of her friends is dead because she went with the wrong customer. (Don't know what's that all about). She asked me to come often once she get to like me and know me better... she can play with me! And Yes, she hang around Babyface and Judy's as well.

Ok the details:

Name: Cheng BaoLi Club
Location: Macau Road, Pu Tuo Area. Between Chang De Lu and Kang Ding Lu. Across the road from Motel 168.
Price : Foot Massage 68 / 45 mins Extra HJ : at 350 (Inclusive of the 68)
FS (VIP Package) : 650 / 45 mins
Rooms: VIP is clean with TV. Massage: Gee.... I don't know???? I did not get there! Maybe next time???
Manager : Mr. Liu.
Language: Counter girl: Mandarin only, Manager : Broken English. Girls: Managers said there are a few girls who speaks a little English, Xiao Hong: No English, Shanghainese and Mandarin only.

AG

[Gualtier Malde]

Nice writeup, AG. A question: do they have a full set of spa services, like shower, jacuzzi, steam room, sauna, etc., or is it just massage? (And do they offer the red rope service?)

David


I passed a Sauna "Cheng Baoli" on the way back from a client office. Decide to check it out.

The place from outside is lined with Neon Sign and lots of Chinese words. Went in and the counter girls looks surprise (I guess I was too early, it was only 1am) So I asked about the services, and timing. The Counter girls than got me attended to by the manager who lead me into a VIP room. At first the Manager was relactant to offer me the FS option but after some conviencing that I am not from the Authorities, we became "Friends" (The secret: Told him I will be able to bring in lots of Foreigners customer if the service is good). He told me that the best time to come to the sauna is between 4pm to 8pm, mainly because they have the best and most girls in that shift. After a chat he fixed me up with his so called best attendent in his sauna. She wasn't in the sauna at the time but he called her on the mobile and get her hurried over as he said that she stayed in an apartment very near by. One of the main reason he said why 4 - 8 is because some of his best girls also works as dancers or freelances in Discos, I mentioned "What about Babyface?" He answered : Not sure, may be I can ask the girls.

After 45 mins of chatting, while I got a foot massage done, the beauty knocked on my door and the Manager quickly introduce her as Xiao Hong, the beauty and pride of his Sauna; Indeed! She is a Beauty! I would rate her as a 9! Fair skin, about 1.7, young looking (I found out she is 22), Slim and she told me later she is a Shanghai local. Well she does looks like a typical Shanghai girl....

As I stood up to leave for the Massage room, the manager said... its ok... you can do whatever you want in this room if you do not want a massage. Well... I thought that's something for a change! Afterall the door has no glass panel.. and it has a lock on it. The manager left me and Xiao Hong Locking the door behind him. Party began.... and I must say... Lot of GFE.. and eventually I pop after half an hour. The cons :she has a A cup breast and is not that good at BJ. She asked me if she should get an implant which I told her she should try the Japanese Breast enlargement.

I tried to get her number and she refused by saying that she wants to get to know me more before she will do that. She don't usually go home with Strangers as she said that one of her friends is dead because she went with the wrong customer. (Don't know what's that all about). She asked me to come often once she get to like me and know me better... she can play with me! And Yes, she hang around Babyface and Judy's as well.

Ok the details:

Name: Cheng BaoLi Health Spa.
Location: Macau Road, Pu Tuo Area. Between Chang De Lu and Kang Ding Lu.
Price : Foot Massage 68 / 45 mins Extra HJ : at 350 (Inclusive of the 68)
FS (VIP Package) : 650 / 45 mins
Rooms: VIP is clean with TV. Massage: Gee.... I don't know???? I did not get there! Maybe next time???
Manager : Mr. Liu.
Language: Counter girl: Mandarin only, Manager : Broken English. Girls: Managers said there are a few girls who speaks a little English, Xiao Hong: No English, Shanghainese and Mandarin only.

AG

[Ace Gallant]

Nice writeup, AG. A question: do they have a full set of spa services, like shower, jacuzzi, steam room, sauna, etc., or is it just massage? (And do they offer the red rope service?)

David

Yes, I guess those are standard features which I did not go that far. I was straight away escorted to VIP room!

Red Rope Service? I am not sure... I did not made it so far as the Massage room, I did everything in my VIP room....I can find out in my next visit.

As I was leaving, I also notice another health Spa across the road... may try that one also.

AG

[Sweetkisser]

Hi Sanshiro:

I use the stretched limo 4 times last year. It's so cool. You won't beliefe what the limo did to the girls I try to score. First time when I picked a girl up in the limo, her eyes almost pop out and you should have seem the looks of her neighbors. And when we are just driving around the city.all the pedestrian are trying to look into the limo. The limo certainly make us feel like million dollars. I didn't do the deed with the that night on the first ride. But the second ride with an accountant, we had a little champagne in the limo and we raised the partition so the driver can't see or heard us. We had an full hour of hot steamy activity in that long bench seat. I love to do it in the back seat of my Chevy Impala but it was always parked somewhere. That was the first time I had sex in the car while it was going driving down a crowded street.

I did it 2 more times while we driving down Huai Hai Road and all the way to The Bund. The feeling of pop your load in front of Bund 18 and go dancing right after at Bar Rouge is a great experience. I just wish the limo do provide a comb to fix my hair. but heck, nothing is perfect.

Sweetkisser


I know there are stretch limos for hire in Shanghai. Anyone used one of these for in car fun? If so details would be appreciated.

[Dog Day]

After reading this last week... having second thoughts about Mongering in the BBS.
Take home might probably be a wee bit safer?
Any thoughts?

Started calling back ex-freebies, and had a nice Saturday noon bout last week-end, but will miss some BBS hotties!
Freebies are great GFE but sometimes it can get emotional and a big hassle once they cling to you and starts calling you all the time. Also as everybody knows a freebie is not a freebie, lunches and boring dinners, at the end is higher than the 150 BBS deal...with no hang-up!


2006-03-01
FOREIGNERS are being warned that if they break China's new law on public order they can and will be deported, the Ministry of Public Security said. The law goes into effect today.

New offenses include extreme cases of undermining social order under cover of religion, prostitution, living off the income from prostitution and buying sex.

Many foreigners commit offenses, the ministry said, mainly connected with theft, prostitution and assault.

The Law on Penalties for Offenses against Public Order provides guidelines on how to punish violators of 238 different offenses, said Wu Heping, spokesman for the ministry. The previous regulation listed 73 offenses.

"The Ministry of Public Security will be granted more authority in disciplining offenders, including deporting foreigners who break the law," said Ke Liangdong, director of the legal affairs office of the ministry.

This is the first update of law in two decades and was required because of the dramatic rise in the number of foreigners in China and changes in Chinese society.

"It is possible for foreigners to be deported for any wrongful act named in the law," said Ke, adding that there is some flexibility and the circumstances of the incident will be taken into account.

He said a foreign offender can also be fined or detained.

Ke said local police can not deport any one without the approval from the Ministry of Public Security or local governments, which are authorized by the ministry.

There are "many cases" of foreigners committing offenses, said Wu Mingshan, an official with the public security ministry.

Wu said people with diplomatic privilege are exempted from the penalties of the law as they are in most countries.

Foreigners in China are expected to understand the new laws and the ministry is working on an English-language version of the text, he said.

[PassinThrough]

After reading this last week... having second thoughts about Mongering in the BBS.

Take home might probably be a wee bit safer?

Any thoughts?I read the same article in the Shanghai Daily and it made me pause to think. I personally came to the conclusion that if you are discreet and do not make a scene you will be fine. Sometimes BBS's get raided by the police and it might happen while you are there. If it does, do not panic, just be polite to the police, do what they ask you to (or tell them that you do not speak Chinese), always be polite to them and treat them with respect, a sure way to have them come down hard on you is to give them problems. Usually what happens (heard from friends as it has not happend to me) is that they completely ignore you and focus on the girls who they are usually shaking down for money.

Finally, and this is good advice for anywhere you are, be aware of your surroundings. As you are walking through an area look all around and see if you spot police going into BBS's or gathering together. Look for anything that seems unusual. Let's face it, you are in a BBS for maybe 30 minutes, if you look around before you go in you might spot something and just head somewhere else.

PIT

[Ace Gallant]

after reading this last week... having second thoughts about mongering in the bbs.

foreigners in china are expected to understand the new laws and the ministry is working on an english-language version of the text, he said.

dog day;

this law had been in place since the 80's if not earlier...

i had seen friend passport been stamped with the chinese word meaning "lust customer" and deported from china, they reported lost of passport, got a new one and got back into china.

imho: freebies are even more dangerous; if they don't get what they want, (as you said it might cost you more in long run), they can report you to police for [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) or illegal purchase of sex. so there are no difference.

sex trade had been around in any country for years, do you think it will go away? with new law? with warnings?

if anyone want to monger, there will be risks. there are risks in any thing you do, risks in business, risks in transportation, risks in std, risks in aids, risks in etc etc.... so it is a matter of whether you want to take the risks or not.

let's get on with information exchanges on mongering... rather than worrying about all this issues...?

ag

[Dog Day]

AG, I know what you are saying...and I agree 100%
When I get really horny, who cares really...he he he

As you can see from the article, this is the first UPDATE of that law.
Just a simple warning to ye all...BE CAREFUL

[BJK]

Allthough there were already laws against prostitution this UPDATE does seem to target foreigners. I would assume there will be some high profile raids at some stage. After that it will be apparent if there is a particular area they are cracking down on. i.e. BBS, Bars, SW etc.
I would guess streetwalker customers may be an easy target as they are in other parts of the world. If there are too many obvious streetwalkers around international hotels it will give China a bad reputation so I think this may be a targeted area.



As you can see from the article, this is the first UPDATE of that law.
Just a simple warning to ye all...BE CAREFUL

[Ace Gallant]

Allthough there were already laws against prostitution this UPDATE does seem to target foreigners. I would assume there will be some high profile raids at some stage. After that it will be apparent if there is a particular area they are cracking down on. i.e. BBS, Bars, SW etc.
I would guess streetwalker customers may be an easy target as they are in other parts of the world. If there are too many obvious streetwalkers around international hotels it will give China a bad reputation so I think this may be a targeted area.




There are "many cases" of foreigners committing offenses, said Wu Mingshan, an official with the public security ministry.

Wu said people with diplomatic privilege are exempted from the penalties of the law as they are in most countries.

Frankly speaking, the areas around international hotels, 5 stars hotel has the most SWs. Why? Because that where are the most customers coming from. And guess who stayed in these hotels? Guest with Diplomatice Privilege!

There will be raids, but will they be able to completely clean up the country? I think maybe 10%?

Say Singapore for example; small and strict country; Raids so often, why are OTower, Geylang forever there?

AG

[Albert Punter]

In my opinion this is only apparent enforcement.

First of all, Chinese like sex as we do in all other countries, so it is against their own interest to crack sex industry which is quite vibrant here. This is not a country driven by some puritan religion.

Second, it is true this looks a warning to foreigners. However, I believe they should move carefully when deporting foreigners. Chinese govt. already receive pressures for human rights by foreign countries and targeting foreigners will only make their position worse.

[St Germain]

After reading this last week... having second thoughts about Mongering in the BBS.

FOREIGNERS are being warned that if they break China's new law on public order they can and will be deported, the Ministry of Public Security said. The law goes into effect today.

My view is that the prostitution-related parts of this law update are targeted more at foreign providers than at foreign mongers, at least in terms of actual enforcement. If I were a Russian provider, then I would be concerned. As one poster observed a couple days ago, they are probably angry at foreign providers for making more money and taking away business from the locals.

But since paid female companionship is such a fundamental part of business here, I really doubt they will start deporting foreigners en masse, especially for activities in upper-scale KTVs, saunas, etc.

Moreover, I don't think this will lead to more BBS raids. Is BBS-ing risky? Yes. But frankly I am not as afraid of a random LE raid as I am of being victim of a setup, such as:

LE: Mamasan, you feed us a couple busts every once in a while and we’ll leave you alone.

Or

LE (or fake LE): Mamasan, you let us know when you’ve got a rich-looking customer (e.g. foreigner) in the back and we’ll come in and do a fake raid. We’ll make him pay us off and you’ll get a small cut or at least be left alone.

I think the risk of getting caught pants down in a random, unstaged BBS raid is low, since the mamasan and girls must have some warning system whereby you’ll have enough time to get your pants back on if the LE show up unannounced.

In any case, the LE usually notify the mama in advance of any inspection. The pirated DVD shops are the same; they learn about inspections a few days in advance and clear their shelves of the pirated stuff until the inspection is over.

Also, in a way it is against the national interest to crack down on BBS any more than what is necessary to keep up pretenses. This is because a) BBS provide employment for thousands at a time when jobs are not so plentiful for young, unskilled people and b) they serve to move money from the rich coastal cities to the poor interior, as many girls send money back home to their families.

I think AG is absolutely right about freebies being much riskier than pros. If you get a bad egg, you’re in trouble. Getting rid of my last freebie took months of arguments, yelling, stress, changed phone numbers and even threats of getting unsavory people involved. She’s gone now, but it’s not an experience I want to repeat, no matter how good the sex is.

By the way, thanks AG for mentioning the story about your friend who reported a lost passport and then got back into China. I was always wondering if that would work!

Count

[OldAsiaHand]

St Germain:

Do you know of any actual situations where a BBS or mamasan set-up a foreign customer? Or, are you just speculating? I would be interested to hear details.

OAH

[Sniffer]

Just returned after a 3 days trip in Shanghai. Called up the BBS girl that I picked up on my last trip. She was in the shop already when I called around 9:00 p.m. I went and picked her up immediately.

When I got to the shop, her boss saw me. I asked her why didn't she take the night off, that way she won't have to pay her boss. She said that her boss is very tough when it comes to money. If she had already come in to work and then said that she wanted to take the night off, the boss would treat her as going out with a customer and asked her for money anyway.

She is a very petite girl, 20 years old. When I took her out last time, she was very much a GFE.

We got back to my hotel. She was once again very GF like. We cuddled each other for a long time and chatted. She told me a lot about her works. And then we showered and got to bed. The lovemaking was once again very GF like. We kissed, she did BBBJ on me, and I did DATY too. I don't usually do that on all SP's. But if the girl is a GFE, I really love doing it.

When we were done, we cuddled again and chatted for a long time. Her phone rang, and she said "I'm not coming back tonight, but tomorrow. What's the matter? As long as I give you the money when I got back, what do you care?"

When she hung up, she told me that even when she was taken out for LT or overnight, she would usually do it twice with the customer and then leave. She cuddled up with me. We chatted more and she told me that she enjoyed having sex with me, because I was almost the only person that made her "feel good" when doing it. She even said that she never DFK or BBBJ any other customers but me.

We did it a second time later into the night. She then just cuddled me while I slept. She couldn't sleep at all for the whole night, which is expected because she usually stays up all night at the BBS and would sleep during the day. Yet she just cuddled me till the morning.

When the morning came, she showered, dressed and headed for the door. I asked her why didn't she ask for money. She just smiled at me. I asked her how was she going to pay the boss if she's not getting money from me. She said that was no big deal. She only needed to pay RMB 100 to him and she could do that herself. I gave her RMB 400, which is the usual overnight take out charge.

The next evening, I called her again, and asked her whether she would like to come over. She said she had not gone in to work, and she wanted to see me. She came over in a taxi. The night went on almost the same way as the night before - cuddling, chatting, GF like sex, then me sleeping and she was laying by my side. When the morning came, she did the same again - showered and then headed for the door. I paid her RMB 400 again, but she said there was no need. However, I insisted on paying, so she took the money in the end.

I think I have scored myself a freebie. But my dilema now is whether I would really want her to be one. I always feel that it is better to pay so that the relationship is better understood by the girl. But the idea of being able to just call her out whenever I'm in Shanghai and enjoy the night with her has also kind of excited me.

If you were me, what would you do?

[Gualtier Malde]

Personally, I'd keep paying her, unless you seriously want a girlfriend. 400RMB seems like a good insurance policy to me!

David


Just returned after a 3 days trip in Shanghai. Called up the BBS girl that I picked up on my last trip. She was in the shop already when I called around 9:00 p.m. I went and picked her up immediately.

When I got to the shop, her boss saw me. I asked her why didn't she take the night off, that way she won't have to pay her boss. She said that her boss is very tough when it comes to money. If she had already come in to work and then said that she wanted to take the night off, the boss would treat her as going out with a customer and asked her for money anyway.

She is a very petite girl, 20 years old. When I took her out last time, she was very much a GFE.

We got back to my hotel. She was once again very GF like. We cuddled each other for a long time and chatted. She told me a lot about her works. And then we showered and got to bed. The lovemaking was once again very GF like. We kissed, she did BBBJ on me, and I did DATY too. I don't usually do that on all SP's. But if the girl is a GFE, I really love doing it.

When we were done, we cuddled again and chatted for a long time. Her phone rang, and she said "I'm not coming back tonight, but tomorrow. What's the matter? As long as I give you the money when I got back, what do you care?"

When she hung up, she told me that even when she was taken out for LT or overnight, she would usually do it twice with the customer and then leave. She cuddled up with me. We chatted more and she told me that she enjoyed having sex with me, because I was almost the only person that made her "feel good" when doing it. She even said that she never DFK or BBBJ any other customers but me.

We did it a second time later into the night. She then just cuddled me while I slept. She couldn't sleep at all for the whole night, which is expected because she usually stays up all night at the BBS and would sleep during the day. Yet she just cuddled me till the morning.

When the morning came, she showered, dressed and headed for the door. I asked her why didn't she ask for money. She just smiled at me. I asked her how was she going to pay the boss if she's not getting money from me. She said that was no big deal. She only needed to pay RMB 100 to him and she could do that herself. I gave her RMB 400, which is the usual overnight take out charge.

The next evening, I called her again, and asked her whether she would like to come over. She said she had not gone in to work, and she wanted to see me. She came over in a taxi. The night went on almost the same way as the night before - cuddling, chatting, GF like sex, then me sleeping and she was laying by my side. When the morning came, she did the same again - showered and then headed for the door. I paid her RMB 400 again, but she said there was no need. However, I insisted on paying, so she took the money in the end.

I think I have scored myself a freebie. But my dilema now is whether I would really want her to be one. I always feel that it is better to pay so that the relationship is better understood by the girl. But the idea of being able to just call her out whenever I'm in Shanghai and enjoy the night with her has also kind of excited me.

If you were me, what would you do?

[Gualtier Malde]

Before I mentioned the possibly not-so-coincidental timing of the law and the People's Congress.

It also occurs to me that this could be a law targeted at Japanese foreigners, who love coming to China for sex, but are generally loathed by China for their past transgressions.

Time will tell, I guess.

Regarding Passinthrough's recommendations: I agree with the situational awareness. It is generally good advice.

I will say though, that the one time I saw a raid in progress, it came on fast, hard, and with absolutely no warning. Note though that this was not a BBS raid, but a raid in the outdoor open market.

If they conduct prostitution raids like they did this one, I don't think you would see it coming. These guys came in overwhelming force, *very* fast, and *very* coordinated. I am thankful I wasn't their target (which turned out to be an upper middle-aged woman, apparently selling the wrong sort of counterfeit product). They were merciless when they drug her out of there.

David


St Germain:

Do you know of any actual situations where a BBS or mamasan set-up a foreign customer? Or, are you just speculating? I would be interested to hear details.

OAH

[Bill Lee]

"I always feel that it is better to pay so that the relationship is better understood by the girl. But the idea of being able to just call her out whenever I'm in Shanghai and enjoy the night with her has also kind of excited me."

BBBJ are great but use that raincoat when you're inside her. Don't forget, she's still a pro.

You lucky dog you.

Bill



Just returned after a 3 days trip in Shanghai. Called up the BBS girl that I picked up on my last trip. She was in the shop already when I called around 9:00 p.m. I went and picked her up immediately.

When I got to the shop, her boss saw me. I asked her why didn't she take the night off, that way she won't have to pay her boss. She said that her boss is very tough when it comes to money. If she had already come in to work and then said that she wanted to take the night off, the boss would treat her as going out with a customer and asked her for money anyway.

She is a very petite girl, 20 years old. When I took her out last time, she was very much a GFE.

We got back to my hotel. She was once again very GF like. We cuddled each other for a long time and chatted. She told me a lot about her works. And then we showered and got to bed. The lovemaking was once again very GF like. We kissed, she did BBBJ on me, and I did DATY too. I don't usually do that on all SP's. But if the girl is a GFE, I really love doing it.

When we were done, we cuddled again and chatted for a long time. Her phone rang, and she said "I'm not coming back tonight, but tomorrow. What's the matter? As long as I give you the money when I got back, what do you care?"

When she hung up, she told me that even when she was taken out for LT or overnight, she would usually do it twice with the customer and then leave. She cuddled up with me. We chatted more and she told me that she enjoyed having sex with me, because I was almost the only person that made her "feel good" when doing it. She even said that she never DFK or BBBJ any other customers but me.

We did it a second time later into the night. She then just cuddled me while I slept. She couldn't sleep at all for the whole night, which is expected because she usually stays up all night at the BBS and would sleep during the day. Yet she just cuddled me till the morning.

When the morning came, she showered, dressed and headed for the door. I asked her why didn't she ask for money. She just smiled at me. I asked her how was she going to pay the boss if she's not getting money from me. She said that was no big deal. She only needed to pay RMB 100 to him and she could do that herself. I gave her RMB 400, which is the usual overnight take out charge.

The next evening, I called her again, and asked her whether she would like to come over. She said she had not gone in to work, and she wanted to see me. She came over in a taxi. The night went on almost the same way as the night before - cuddling, chatting, GF like sex, then me sleeping and she was laying by my side. When the morning came, she did the same again - showered and then headed for the door. I paid her RMB 400 again, but she said there was no need. However, I insisted on paying, so she took the money in the end.

I think I have scored myself a freebie. But my dilema now is whether I would really want her to be one. I always feel that it is better to pay so that the relationship is better understood by the girl. But the idea of being able to just call her out whenever I'm in Shanghai and enjoy the night with her has also kind of excited me.

If you were me, what would you do?

[Sniffer]

Thanks, Bill. Totally agree with you. BBBJ and DATY are the highest risk that I would take. And I know well enough that someone would say these are still too risky. You can never get me to go bareback all the way with anyone other than my significant other.

Sniffer


"I always feel that it is better to pay so that the relationship is better understood by the girl. But the idea of being able to just call her out whenever I'm in Shanghai and enjoy the night with her has also kind of excited me."

BBBJ are great but use that raincoat when you're inside her. Don't forget, she's still a pro.

You lucky dog you.

Bill

[Sniffer]

Thanks, David! That's exactly what I meant. I don't want a girlfriend. And I think at this point she still understands that she won't ever be my girlfriend or wife, as I only travel to Shanghai once every 2 or 3 months. But she's so young (turning 21 this year) that if she really enjoys the time spending with me, she may start to think otherwise.

I think even if I don't pay exactly RMB 400 every time, I will keep paying her some pocket money.

Sniffer


Personally, I'd keep paying her, unless you seriously want a girlfriend. 400RMB seems like a good insurance policy to me!

David

[St Germain]

St Germain:

Do you know of any actual situations where a BBS or mamasan set-up a foreign customer? Or, are you just speculating? I would be interested to hear details.

OAH

OAH,

No, fortunately, I haven't heard of a specific situation like that. (But then again I don't really swap stories with other mongers outside of this forum.)

It's my own speculation as to what is probably really going on behind the scenes in the event that a foreigner gets caught in a BBS raid. I hope for everyone's sake that such speculation is way off base, but given the sheer number and creativity of scams around here, it seems quite possible. But if I'm wrong, please set me straight.

Count

[Gualtier Malde]

Yes, there are lots of risks with these. Some of the risks are attenuated by the fact that the nasty bugs (HIV, Gonorrhea, Chlamydia, etc.) tend to not be present in saliva. The problem with depending on that is that some of those bugs *do* live in mucus, and right in the back of the throat is where you'll get your first mucus. So if she is BBBJ on you, and she happens to be good at deep throat, and one of her previous customers planted some G in her throat, you're probably gonna have an unpleasant surprise in a couple of days.

DATY is much less likely to get you bugs like G, or HIV, unless you happen to have open sores that you are sloshing all over her juices. But guess what? There's still that damned Herpes bug that'll nearly jump through thin air to get you! Some say a condom can't protect you from that. Well, partially true. It seems that the latex barrier will protect you, but it won't protect your scrotum, unless you wear condoms very strangely. Herpes apparently can pass directly via the skin of your scrotum. Next time you're safely pounding away in missionary on some sweet thing, and your balls are slapping her ass, and you think you're in heaven, well, try not to think about those herpes sores you didn't notice around her ass... Lovely, eh?

That said, it's awfully hard to resist a BBBJ, and DATY can be a lot of fun. Like they all say, you just have to be careful out there, and if you catch something, you only have yourself to blame.

Take all this with a grain of salt (which won't cure your STD), because as I've said many times, I'm not a doctor!

David


Thanks, Bill. Totally agree with you. BBBJ and DATY are the highest risk that I would take. And I know well enough that someone would say these are still too risky. You can never get me to go bareback all the way with anyone other than my significant other.

Sniffer

[Blacklisted]

I think there are many sides to such an argument, and I know it goes on in other parts of Asia, although generally in relation to drugs. Ie. the dealer sells pills to you at a Koh Phan Yan full moon party and five minutes later the cops come down hard. Usually just for the fine to split among everyone including the dealer. Sure, it's bad for business, but the transient tourist trade, especially that age group think it won't happen to them.

It's bad for business to raid BBS too, but that doesn't mean it won't happen, and I'm sure I've read stories on this board (way back) of people getting done and the fine being something in the midst of 5000 (or was it 50K?).

The other question raised was do these new laws change anything? hasn't it always been a risk?

Is it just to appease the anti-Japanese movement?

Final thought, who has friends in high places here? Maybe some research can be done and some questions answered... Maybe we need to organise some solutions among ourselves as to how to help each other out if something does happen?

I know at the village 2 weeks ago the place was absolutely swarming with police, but as usual they barely even looked our way, although we decided it was probably a better idea not to enter any shops. But that would be before the law came in.

[Ace Gallant]

"I always feel that it is better to pay so that the relationship is better understood by the girl. But the idea of being able to just call her out whenever I'm in Shanghai and enjoy the night with her has also kind of excited me."

BBBJ are great but use that raincoat when you're inside her. Don't forget, she's still a pro.

You lucky dog you.

Bill

Freebies often comes with GFE. Most of my freebies are all out to please me. But the problems is if you get too much GFE, you might be stuck with a GF!

I have many Freebies and is still trying to get rids of two now. The main reason is Freebies always starts are casual sleep over without money involved but as time goes their demand goes up too. They wants you to bring them nice restaurants, places that they don;t get to go with their own money. Than sometimes they will ask you to bring them shopping, They start to ask if they can stop working at their work place like Bars, KTV, Saunas etc... they may wants you to put them though schools..

As I said many times before... Freebies in CHina is easy to GET but difficult to
Get RID! So enjoy while you can and kick them out as fast as possible!

AG

[Ace Gallant]

I think there are many sides to such an argument, and I know it goes on in other parts of Asia, although generally in relation to drugs. Ie. the dealer sells pills to you at a Koh Phan Yan full moon party and five minutes later the cops come down hard. Usually just for the fine to split among everyone including the dealer. Sure, it's bad for business, but the transient tourist trade, especially that age group think it won't happen to them.

It's bad for business to raid BBS too, but that doesn't mean it won't happen, and I'm sure I've read stories on this board (way back) of people getting done and the fine being something in the midst of 5000 (or was it 50K?).

The other question raised was do these new laws change anything? hasn't it always been a risk?

Is it just to appease the anti-Japanese movement?

Final thought, who has friends in high places here? Maybe some research can be done and some questions answered... Maybe we need to organise some solutions among ourselves as to how to help each other out if something does happen?

I know at the village 2 weeks ago the place was absolutely swarming with police, but as usual they barely even looked our way, although we decided it was probably a better idea not to enter any shops. But that would be before the law came in.

The movement is not likely to link to the Anti-Japanese movement. There are too much risks do a polictical movement just to target on one Race.

Rule of thumb... if you see police on both ends of the street, you better avoid the BBS or Saunas in between. Just have to be more observant. But however, also take note of suddent crowds of people on certain BBS areas... remember there are also plain clothes police.

Have fun and play safe!

AG

[Ace Gallant]

Yes, there are lots of risks with these. Some of the risks are attenuated by the fact that the nasty bugs (HIV, Gonorrhea, Chlamydia, etc.) tend to not be present in saliva. The problem with depending on that is that some of those bugs *do* live in mucus, and right in the back of the throat is where you'll get your first mucus. So if she is BBBJ on you, and she happens to be good at deep throat, and one of her previous customers planted some G in her throat, you're probably gonna have an unpleasant surprise in a couple of days.

DATY is much less likely to get you bugs like G, or HIV, unless you happen to have open sores that you are sloshing all over her juices. But guess what? There's still that damned Herpes bug that'll nearly jump through thin air to get you! Some say a condom can't protect you from that. Well, partially true. It seems that the latex barrier will protect you, but it won't protect your scrotum, unless you wear condoms very strangely. Herpes apparently can pass directly via the skin of your scrotum. Next time you're safely pounding away in missionary on some sweet thing, and your balls are slapping her ass, and you think you're in heaven, well, try not to think about those herpes sores you didn't notice around her ass... Lovely, eh?

That said, it's awfully hard to resist a BBBJ, and DATY can be a lot of fun. Like they all say, you just have to be careful out there, and if you catch something, you only have yourself to blame.

Take all this with a grain of salt (which won't cure your STD), because as I've said many times, I'm not a doctor!

David

If you really hate rubber, than perhaps before doing a freebie, have her have a STD check. There is a new HIV test kits out in the market which allow the results to be out in 5 mins. But you still blood samples.

Try to get the web site onto this posting later....

Have fun and play safe!

AG

[AKA Man]

Yes, there are lots of risks with these...There's still that damned Herpes bug that'll nearly jump through thin air to get you! Some say a condom can't protect you from that. Well, partially true. It seems that the latex barrier will protect you, but it won't protect your scrotum, unless you wear condoms very strangely. Herpes apparently can pass directly via the skin of your scrotum. Next time you're safely pounding away in missionary on some sweet thing, and your balls are slapping her ass, and you think you're in heaven, well, try not to think about those herpes sores you didn't notice around her ass... Lovely, eh?
DavidThis is important to point out. Herpes can be quite stealth, as I learned from a big scare last year. A condom is very effective but not 100%; what's worse is that H is often transmitted asymptomatically, which means even a close inspection won't help. No sores does not mean no virus present. Of the 20-25% of carriers in the US, many do not even know they have the virus because their symptoms are so mild or confused with other ailments. That being said, if H did not have such a stigma attached to it, then there would be much less cause for concern. It is, after all, just a cold sore down south.

Be safe!

[Blacklisted]

I was under the impression that HIV would not be detectable until a certain number of white blood cells are dead and your count is low, hence the previous 3 month waiting period.

Anyone have any info on how this technology works?>

[Albert Punter]

BBS Freebie - Keep paying ? Keeping it free ?

In case you just want fun and does not want any involvement, keep paying.
This is what I did some time ago in Brazil, and I and the girl were perfectly happy.

[TommySnap]

hi guys, one more question before my visit in a couple of weeks. What is the easiest way of getting a little blue pill while in Shanghai?

Thanks

Tom

[Gualtier Malde]

They sell them over the counter in a lot of pharmacies. One I pass on the way to work has a sign in the window.

If you have time, edrugstore.md is a reliable online provider of V and Cialis.

David




hi guys, one more question before my visit in a couple of weeks. What is the easiest way of getting a little blue pill while in Shanghai?

Thanks

Tom

[Gualtier Malde]

Too skinny for my taste, plus the spokes are too irritating...

David


Hey guy,

Does somebody know about Tang Chaen Sauna? Is the same owner of Shanghai Hotel. I hear something about bicycle fucking (something like that).

[Salaryman]

Can you narrow down the area(s) where Vitamins V & C are avialble over the counter? Does the sign on window in English or Chinese? Also, are they reliable cause I heard that there are lots of fakes in China.

SM


They sell them over the counter in a lot of pharmacies. One I pass on the way to work has a sign in the window.

If you have time, edrugstore.md is a reliable online provider of V and Cialis.

David

[Ace Gallant]

Can you narrow down the area(s) where Vitamins V & C are avialble over the counter? Does the sign on window in English or Chinese? Also, are they reliable cause I heard that there are lots of fakes in China.

SM

If you go to the bigger drug store around Jin An temple you will notice that they even have posters with that blue pill. (I am surprised to see that myself!) No language problems just look at pictures! There are fakes pills but the bigger store normally do not sell the fake ones and normally they don't sell fake ones to foreigners.

Other than Jin An temple area, I am sure there are big drug stores in other areas, which I don't explore on Vitamin V option.

Just a question: I have not tried vitamin v before but taking it and having sex is it more enjoyable?

I am a straight natural enjoyment type and do not support drugs but I am curious.

AG

[Ace Gallant]

Too skinny for my taste, plus the spokes are too irritating...

David

I think I should start an import business for Love seats in China!

AG

[Ace Gallant]

I was under the impression that HIV would not be detectable until a certain number of white blood cells are dead and your count is low, hence the previous 3 month waiting period.

Anyone have any info on how this technology works?>

After researching on this topics with medical suppliers in USA; it seems like the 5 mins test kit for HIV is still under experimental test and not release to public get. However they do have a HIV test kit which allows the results to



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AG

[Gualtier Malde]

AG, to answer your question:

I don't have ED as far as I know, but decided to try it for recreational purposes. I have found that while I normally have no problem at all getting and staying hard, the pill makes the hard, well, *seriously* harder. Like your dick is in an invisible penis pump. I mean hard the way General Dirk Turgidson would describe it in Dr. Strangelove.

Also, it makes it a little easier to prolong intercourse. Your mileage may vary on this.

Finally, I find that with the pill (and when I use it I use a tiny (10mg) dose of Cialis), I can very quickly recover for a second or third round with no problem. So if I'm going to prowl with you guys, but want to hit a sauna or BBS earlier on my own, a Cialis guarantees I'm going to have as many pops as I want. I'm sure I can go 4 times in a night with C, maybe 5. Without, I can go two or three, but the third is going to be more of a struggle without than with, especially if they are close together. Not an issue with C.

So, does it enhance it? Not in terms of feeling better, just in terms of quantity and the quality of the erection. I have a harder erection with C than I had as an 18 year old. It really works that well.

If you don't have any known heart problems, you are more than welcome to try one of my 10mg pills if I see you next week.

The downside is that they can cause you to have a headache. If you take more than your body needs, I find you get a more severe headache. I tried a 20mg dose and had a bad headache for about 12 hours. Advil helped. With 10mg sometimes I vaguely notice a headache lurking in the wings, but it isn't a problem and if it became one, I'm sure an advil would knock it completely out.

Other than the possible headache, you don't notice at all that you've taken Cialis until you dick starts growing. Then its, like, HOLY SHIT!!! STAND CLEAR!!! (or in BBS parlance, YOU BIG MAN, YOU SUPAMAN!)

Another downside is if you take it before you go into a bar, and a girl starts to flirt with you, you could find yourself with a raging, very obvious hardon that wants to stay hard until you nail the chick. (So don't take it until you're ready to head back to your room. C works in less than 15 minutes.)

David


If you go to the bigger drug store around Jin An temple you will notice that they even have posters with that blue pill. (I am surprised to see that myself!) No language problems just look at pictures! There are fakes pills but the bigger store normally do not sell the fake ones and normally they don't sell fake ones to foreigners.

Other than Jin An temple area, I am sure there are big drug stores in other areas, which I don't explore on Vitamin V option.

Just a question: I have not tried vitamin v before but taking it and having sex is it more enjoyable?

I am a straight natural enjoyment type and do not support drugs but I am curious.

AG

[Gualtier Malde]

Well, since I've seen posters in just about every pharmacy I've passed, large and small, I'd say that to narrow down your search, walk into a *Pharmacy*. I think that'll do it. Point to the big blue pill on the sign. Say "Wo Yaow na eega" (that's english phonetic spelling, not pinyin, but say it like that and it should work. It means "I want that").

Good luck!

David


Can you narrow down the area(s) where Vitamins V & C are avialble over the counter? Does the sign on window in English or Chinese? Also, are they reliable cause I heard that there are lots of fakes in China.

SM

[Ace Gallant]

AG, to answer your question:

I don't have ED as far as I know, but decided to try it for recreational purposes. I have found that while I normally have no problem at all getting and staying hard, the pill makes the hard, well, *seriously* harder. Like your dick is in an invisible penis pump. I mean hard the way General Dirk Turgidson would describe it in Dr. Strangelove.

Also, it makes it a little easier to prolong intercourse. Your mileage may vary on this.

David

Oh man.... I better not try it! already I will usually takes 1 hour to cum... if I take Vitamin V doesn't that make me 3 hours? That mean I only can do take out with LT other wise it will cost me a lot more for extra time!

PIT, MAB, tripper will tell you their experience for always waiting for me when we do join mongering, I felt bad about that.....!

Hope to catch you next week... I am not sure I will be back by 17!

AG

[St Germain]

AG, to answer your question:

I don't have ED as far as I know, but decided to try it for recreational purposes. I have found that while I normally have no problem at all getting and staying hard, the pill makes the hard, well, *seriously* harder.

If Cialis can make it harder even if you don't have ED, does it also make you more likely to cum earlier, i.e. prematurely?

I don't have trouble getting it up the first time, but my recovery time in between shots is longer than I would like. So I figure Cialis might fix that.

But on the other hand, I don't want make myself even more likely to have premature ejaculation. (When I go to a sauna or BBS, the excitement of doing it with a new girl (new to me, anyway) often makes me shoot too early so I don't get my money's worth, so to speak.)

[Blacklisted]

Wasn't there supposed to be something made a few years after the big V was invented that put you 'in the mood for it' rather than just producing the raging hard-on??

Anyone got any info? Wouldn't mind having a shot!! Never done the C or the V but might be fun!!! Maybe the next expedition into the jungles...

[Eaglestar]

Actually my experience with V & C is that it does prolong your activity. I did not know C was available here in SH but I will try to pharmacies and find it. I like it better than V

[Asian Rain]

Stayed at the Sheraton Tai Ping Yang. Despite my late arrival, there were a couple of nice SWs in front offering the usual massage & sex. I was pleasantly pleased to see that the usual gaggle of pimps was absent... so much better to pick and negotiate with the girls directly. I wondered if LE is getting active.

Took the offer of a cute 23yo - 400RMB for sex, down from first offer of 600RMB. Video included. The cold is a more effective negotiating tool than anything else.

Quite a sweet package. Great smile. Tight pink pussy. However, she was in a rush and not much of a GFE... oh well, I'm usually satisfied as long as I keep my expectations low in Shanghai. Enjoy, AR+

[Gualtier Malde]

It actually has the opposite effect, but the effect is subtle. It isn't like spraying your cock with a desensitizing chemical (which is available in the states over the counter if you have that problem - causes a slight numbing effect).

C and V just tend to make the muscles involved in erection, and the related muscles, work better. There is no numbing effect or anything, just better performance in every dimension, including ejaculation control.

The other good news is that if you do ejaculate quickly, your recovery time is shortened, so you'll be able to get that second pop rather than going home with an abbreviated experience.

Probably the only downside (if you can call it that) is after you ejaculate, you may not get as flaccid as you normally do. You may retain a little, well, firmness, at least for a while. So you may end up leaving the BBS with a bit of a woody. But it will subside. You won't get unexpected woodies though. Somehow, it only kicks in when you would otherwise be getting an erection, through normal stimulation. You don't have to fear the possibility of raising a tent while waiting for the bus (unless you are rubbing against the cutie in front of you, you pervert you!)

To me, C seems a little less harsh, and lasts a *lot* longer (36 hours versus 4 hours) than V.

Heed the warnings about this drug versus heart conditions. If you have blood pressure issues or take any sort of heart medicine you *must* consult a doctor. By the way, don't worry about this - doctors *love* to prescribe C and V, and they prescribe a *lot* of it. It's a great business for them.

Also, don't take a larger dose if you don't need it. More doesn't give you a better result. The result is more binary - it either works or it doesn't work. Use the minimum dose necessary to do the trick.

C and V tend to be expensive, unless your insurance company picks up the tab. However, here's a little trick that seems to work for me. The cost per pill does not seem related directly to the amount of chemical in the pill. Thus, a 20mg pill only costs slightly more than a 10mg pill of Cialis (at edrugstore.md, a reliable online pharmacy). So if you find that 10mg works for you (as it does for me), buy the 20mg dose and take a half pill at a time. The pills are easy to break in half (though they don't have a symetrical shape, so it's an approximation). They are harder to break beyond that, so don't expect to cut a 40mg pill into quarters. I don't know what breaking a pill does for its expiration date, so I'd recommend that you consume the broken piece promptly.

David


If Cialis can make it harder even if you don't have ED, does it also make you more likely to cum earlier, i.e. prematurely?

I don't have trouble getting it up the first time, but my recovery time in between shots is longer than I would like. So I figure Cialis might fix that.

But on the other hand, I don't want make myself even more likely to have premature ejaculation. (When I go to a sauna or BBS, the excitement of doing it with a new girl (new to me, anyway) often makes me shoot too early so I don't get my money's worth, so to speak.)

[Gualtier Malde]

AG, I don't think it'll prolong things for you. It works on the premature side, not the mature side.

I think your problem is you are fucking too much, and now you've got calluses on your dick! I recommend going into one of those saunas and have the guy exfoliate the calluses (ouch!)

Just kidding...

David


Oh man.... I better not try it! already I will usually takes 1 hour to cum... if I take Vitamin V doesn't that make me 3 hours? That mean I only can do take out with LT other wise it will cost me a lot more for extra time!

PIT, MAB, tripper will tell you their experience for always waiting for me when we do join mongering, I felt bad about that.....!

Hope to catch you next week... I am not sure I will be back by 17!

AG

[Gualtier Malde]

Actually I get my C online from edrugstore.md. I've never bought C or V in Shanghai, I always bring it with me from the States. I don't know if you can order online with delivery to Shanghai.

By the way, if you do bring meds from outside, leave them in the prescription bottle so that you can prove they are for you. Otherwise you could get in deep sneakers with customs in China if they find you with unmarked pills.

David


Actually my experience with V & C is that it does prolong your activity. I did not know C was available here in SH but I will try to pharmacies and find it. I like it better than V

[Gualtier Malde]

Dude, from what I've observed, you are *always* in the mood. Such a drug would likely make you psycho! :-)

I'd like such a drug for the girl, though...

David


Wasn't there supposed to be something made a few years after the big V was invented that put you 'in the mood for it' rather than just producing the raging hard-on??

Anyone got any info? Wouldn't mind having a shot!! Never done the C or the V but might be fun!!! Maybe the next expedition into the jungles...

[Dog Day]

Our new office receptionist is so damn hot. I Know, I know, I know..do not shit where you eat, anyways...
Been flirting with her for a week but she knows I am attached so it will not go anywhere...? Last night she called me to take a walk after work and we did...nothing happened, but it made me horny imagining shagging this PYT (Pretty Young Thing). Which led to...

Posted a warning but did not heed it..myself.
Went to the village last night and seems to be filled with fresh produce.
Had this cute Dong Bei Ren, slim, really big but firm boobies,and not so hairy snatch. She said she was 20, (I hope so), her boobs were huge but her nipples seem so young but suckable, not the toggle sized ones you see on a mid-late 20's woman.
Usual BBBJ, ball sucking, but while shagging her, my mind kept on imagining a raid so did not enjoy that fuck. She was nice that when i finished she even said "If i am done?" An invitation to Shag 2? but kept of imagining a crackdown so just said xie xie and left. Usual 150 ST.
Will be back, saw a lot of new nice smiling cuties, but will prefer to take home next time.

[Santa]

David said "if you have blood pressure issues you *must* consult a doctor".

I read a newspaper article some years ago about how they discovered viagra. Pfizer, the drug company that makes viagra (sildenafil) was looking for a medication to lower blood pressure, which it does. The drug affects an enzyme that allows the to blood flow into the penis and brain (headaches), and the blood pressure in the rest of your body goes down. Volunteers taking the drug to lower blood pressure reported having erections, which came as a big surprise to the drug company. It was a classic case of serendipity. Can anyone verify?

So, if you have high blood pressure viagra may be beneficial. If you have very low blood pressure you should not take viagra. Is that correct?

I have also been told that when you go underwater, as in scuba diving, your blood pressure goes down. Can anyone verify?

Warning: I am also not a doctor, so don't take my word for it.

[St Germain]

David,

Thanks a lot for the tips on Cialis. Very helpful.

"Raising a tent"...haha, first time I've ever heard that. Very apt. Although for me it is less likely to happen at the bus stop as it is when one of the cuties at work comes in to my office to stamp documents, especially in the summertime when the short skirts come out. Oh, it's so painful to look but not touch.

Count

[Eaglestar]

David said "if you have blood pressure issues you *must* consult a doctor".

I read a newspaper article some years ago about how they discovered viagra. Pfizer, the drug company that makes viagra (sildenafil) was looking for a medication to lower blood pressure, which it does. The drug affects an enzyme that allows the to blood flow into the penis and brain (headaches), and the blood pressure in the rest of your body goes down. Volunteers taking the drug to lower blood pressure reported having erections, which came as a big surprise to the drug company. It was a classic case of serendipity. Can anyone verify?

So, if you have high blood pressure viagra may be beneficial. If you have very low blood pressure you should not take viagra. Is that correct?

I have also been told that when you go underwater, as in scuba diving, your blood pressure goes down. Can anyone verify?

Warning: I am also not a doctor, so don't take my word for it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I don't know if the "accidental" discovery is accurate or not but I do know that my doctor told me that both V & C will cause a slight drop in blood pressure. I am also a scuba diver but have never heard that diving causes a blood pressure drop. I would doubt it.

ES

[Eaglestar]

I much perfer C over V. Does anyone know if it is available in Shanghai?

I know V is readily available at many places.

ES

[Gualtier Malde]

I know of no relationship between scuba and lower blood pressure except this: if you dehydrate yourself, you may have lower blood pressure as a result of that, not the scuba.

For those who don't swim or dive it might seem strange that there is a serious risk of dehydration when diving. But the fact is, with mouth breathing and exertion, you lose moisture, and we don't drink where we swim, to coin a phrase...

I would say the best divers are those that can become *very* relaxed during a dive. It is almost a hypnotic state for these experts - they do what they call "yoga breathing", which involves total relaxation, and maximal use of the breathed air.

I've gone diving with experts who have used 1/3 of the air I consumed, and I am not a frantic diver by any means. I would bet if I could measure these folks blood pressure during the dive, it would be very low, but low due to their dramatically relaxed state, not due to external pressure.

Regarding your question about the genesis of V, I have no idea, but it sounds logical. Any story that hangs together like that is worth repeating, so I recommend sticking with it...

The ironic thing is that V increases blood flow to the brain and the cock - or to state it more simply, it increases blood flow to both brains! :-)

David

David said "if you have blood pressure issues you *must* consult a doctor".

I read a newspaper article some years ago about how they discovered viagra. Pfizer, the drug company that makes viagra (sildenafil) was looking for a medication to lower blood pressure, which it does. The drug affects an enzyme that allows the to blood flow into the penis and brain (headaches), and the blood pressure in the rest of your body goes down. Volunteers taking the drug to lower blood pressure reported having erections, which came as a big surprise to the drug company. It was a classic case of serendipity. Can anyone verify?

So, if you have high blood pressure viagra may be beneficial. If you have very low blood pressure you should not take viagra. Is that correct?

I have also been told that when you go underwater, as in scuba diving, your blood pressure goes down. Can anyone verify?

Warning: I am also not a doctor, so don't take my word for it.

[OldAsiaHand]

I use "V" when I want to be extremely hard for one evening. The downside for me are the headaches and heat flashes.

I use "C" when I want to be able to get it up over 2-3 days. However, the intensity cannot compare with "V" for me, but there are no side effects.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Dog Day]

Just be careful ...this can be hot

[Santa]

I've heard they are now giving viagra to the old guys in the nursing homes.

This way, when they roll over they don't fall out of bed. :D

[Albert Punter]

I have heard same story some time ago.
This discovery was totally accidental.


I read a newspaper article some years ago about how they discovered viagra. Pfizer, the drug company that makes viagra (sildenafil) was looking for a medication to lower blood pressure, which it does. The drug affects an enzyme that allows the to blood flow into the penis and brain (headaches), and the blood pressure in the rest of your body goes down. Volunteers taking the drug to lower blood pressure reported having erections, which came as a big surprise to the drug company. It was a classic case of serendipity.

[Cebu Local]

I have had occasional fits of high blood pressure.Details on the Zhuhai Board, So I have been reading up on it and Viagra lowers blood pressure and that is why they tell you not to take nitrates or nitroglycerin while on viagra,The combination is potentially Fatal.So if you have a heart attack while on V you have to advise the Doctor you have taken Vitamin V,,Because together they drop blood pressure to potentially Fatal levels.The Pharmacist in the Drug store infront of my Manila Condo told me of 2 cases of Mongers Dying from using the combination.

[Cebu Local]

David said "if you have blood pressure issues you *must* consult a doctor".

I read a newspaper article some years ago about how they discovered viagra. Pfizer, the drug company that makes viagra (sildenafil) was looking for a medication to lower blood pressure, which it does. The drug affects an enzyme that allows the to blood flow into the penis and brain (headaches), and the blood pressure in the rest of your body goes down. Volunteers taking the drug to lower blood pressure reported having erections, which came as a big surprise to the drug company. It was a classic case of serendipity. Can anyone verify? THIS IS CORRECT ACCORDING TO PFIZER MED REP I TALKED TO

So, if you have high blood pressure viagra may be beneficial. If you have very low blood pressure you should not take viagra. Is that correct?YES IT LOWERS BLOOD PRESSURE ,THE PFIZER MED REP SAID CONSULT YOUR DOCTOR

I have also been told that when you go underwater, as in scuba diving, your blood pressure goes down. Can anyone verify?

Warning: I am also not a doctor, so don't take my word for it.Hope this helps

[Ace Gallant]

Hope this helps

Well, actually the real story was Vitamins V was invented initially for people with heart problems, it will also lower blood pressure and increase blood flow thoughout the body. However during the test, they found incidentally all the male patients had hard ons and stayed hard for hours. That when they discovered that V help impotence patiant as well.

AG

[Farmboy5]

Is there any place to get C in Shanghai? V is available at pharmacies but have never found C when I asked about it.

[Ace Gallant]

AG, I don't think it'll prolong things for you. It works on the premature side, not the mature side.

I think your problem is you are fucking too much, and now you've got calluses on your dick! I recommend going into one of those saunas and have the guy exfoliate the calluses (ouch!)

Just kidding...

David

Oops I missed this one...

Yah David, I must admit, I was fucking too much... almost one different girl everyday... and at least 4 shots per girl! :-P

But isn't that's what the doctor says: "A girl a day keep the doctor away???".... No? I was wrong???

Hehehe...
AG

[St Germain]

I finally had a good FS sauna experience over here in Pudong.

I don’t think this place has been mentioned in the forum before.

There is no English name, not even on the business card. In Chinese, the place is called “名殿”. The name is pronounced “ming(2) dian(4)” and translates roughly as “famous palace.”

It’s not a big place (only about 6 shower stalls, one big hot tub and maybe around 20 to 30 resting rooms and massage rooms.) But the decoration is respectable, on a par with the good places in Puxi.

The normal price for the whole package is RMB 676. However, if you leave before 7pm (including weekends), the price is only RMB 550. That is low by Shanghai standards.

Total time is 90 minutes. The first 45 minutes was pure massage (and a good one too), followed by catbath on my front, then CBJ with fire & ice, then FS in any position.

Strangely, there was no AR. She didn’t mention it, and I didn’t ask. (“So, uh, can you lick my ass?” isn’t a phrase that rolls easily off my tongue.)

There is a big mirror on one wall so you can watch the action (and look up her dress during the initial massage part…not that I would be so impolite).

Alas, no red rope service (there weren’t even any bars on the ceiling.)

My girl was #95. She was wearing a very tight and very short black minidress. She was an 8 until she took off that dress and her tummy bulged out. She could stand to lose about 10 pounds. But then again I like ‘em thin. Really nice rack, though. But I thought the best part about her was her high-pitched voice, which was right out of a Japanese hentai cartoon.

The address of this place is:

5/F, Huashen Tower, No. 1085, Pudong Nanlu
Tel: 58352261

For those unfamiliar with Pudong, the place might be a little tricky to find. It is located behind the big Yaohan department store (“八百伴” pronounced “ba1 bai3 ban4”). If you get lost, just ask for “ba1 bai3 ban4.” Taxi drivers (and pretty much all the locals) know where that is. Once you get behind the department store, you should be able to see the sign for the sauna “名殿会所”.

Huashen Tower is actually an office building. And I must say it is awfully weird to be mongering in an office building. I could just imagine working in that office building and occasionally popping down to the 5th floor for a lunchtime fuck.

Brothels in office buildings…barbershops where you can’t get a haircut…I’ve been in China for years and yet this place never ceases to amaze me.

Count

[Gualtier Malde]

It's good to see that there is some hope for the poor souls stranded in Pudong!

Thanks for the post.

David


I finally had a good FS sauna experience over here in Pudong.

I don’t think this place has been mentioned in the forum before.

There is no English name, not even on the business card. In Chinese, the place is called “名殿”. The name is pronounced “ming(2) dian(4)” and translates roughly as “famous palace.”

It’s not a big place (only about 6 shower stalls, one big hot tub and maybe around 20 to 30 resting rooms and massage rooms.) But the decoration is respectable, on a par with the good places in Puxi.

The normal price for the whole package is RMB 676. However, if you leave before 7pm (including weekends), the price is only RMB 550. That is low by Shanghai standards.

Total time is 90 minutes. The first 45 minutes was pure massage (and a good one too), followed by catbath on my front, then CBJ with fire & ice, then FS in any position.

Strangely, there was no AR. She didn’t mention it, and I didn’t ask. (“So, uh, can you lick my ass?” isn’t a phrase that rolls easily off my tongue.)

There is a big mirror on one wall so you can watch the action (and look up her dress during the initial massage part…not that I would be so impolite).

Alas, no red rope service (there weren’t even any bars on the ceiling.)

My girl was #95. She was wearing a very tight and very short black minidress. She was an 8 until she took off that dress and her tummy bulged out. She could stand to lose about 10 pounds. But then again I like ‘em thin. Really nice rack, though. But I thought the best part about her was her high-pitched voice, which was right out of a Japanese hentai cartoon.

The address of this place is:

5/F, Huashen Tower, No. 1085, Pudong Nanlu
Tel: 58352261

For those unfamiliar with Pudong, the place might be a little tricky to find. It is located behind the big Yaohan department store (“八百伴” pronounced “ba1 bai3 ban4”). If you get lost, just ask for “ba1 bai3 ban4.” Taxi drivers (and pretty much all the locals) know where that is. Once you get behind the department store, you should be able to see the sign for the sauna “名殿会所”.

Huashen Tower is actually an office building. And I must say it is awfully weird to be mongering in an office building. I could just imagine working in that office building and occasionally popping down to the 5th floor for a lunchtime fuck.

Brothels in office buildings…barbershops where you can’t get a haircut…I’ve been in China for years and yet this place never ceases to amaze me.

Count

[Gualtier Malde]

I took a stroll along Changde Lu this morning just to get the lay of the land. I walked the street from Xin Sha Lu up to Yuyao Lu.

I counted about 7 BBSs total, all open. There may be a few more that are closed, but if so they weren't obvious to me. The open ones all had ladies in wait, and from one the mamasan tried to wave me in.

The area around the intersection of Changde Lu and Yuyao Lu is interesting. Going up a block on Yuyao Lu there are a couple more BBSs, and there is a very interesting foot massage place right off the intersection. They advertise the usual set of foot activities, but sitting out front were a row of very scantily clad xiao jie, who all looked good enough to eat. They didn't wave me in or anything, and I was just surveying this morning, so I don't know what the scoop might be. However, they are on my list to check out.

Our special little pub on Xin Sha Lu was open at 11am. That's a little early for me to sit at a bar, so I'll pass until later.

In any case, it does look like there is potential on Changde Lu!

David

[Gualtier Malde]

A word of caution to avoid an unexpected surprise at the Shanghai Hotel sauna.

The price before 7pm is 650RMB, after 7pm it is 750RMB. However, the time is not the time you enter, it is the time you leave! So if you show up at 5:00, like I did, expecting to pay 650, then wander out around 7:15, like I did, you'll get hit with an extra 100RMB. I think that's a rip, but still, it's a great experience. See this post (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=442397&postcount=3548) for a photo of my last RA there.

[Ace Gallant]

A word of caution to avoid an unexpected surprise at the Shanghai Hotel sauna.

The price before 7pm is 650RMB, after 7pm it is 750RMB. However, the time is not the time you enter, it is the time you leave! So if you show up at 5:00, like I did, expecting to pay 650, then wander out around 7:15, like I did, you'll get hit with an extra 100RMB. I think that's a rip, but still, it's a great experience. See this post (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=442397&postcount=3548) for a photo of my last RA there.

Sorry David, It is listed in most of the Saunas price list at the entance that if you leave before 7pm the price is XXX. Like at Yu Ping, it is 750 but if you leave before 7pm it 700. I know I know... it is in Chinese...and those who don;t read Chinese will not know. So to be fair, I don't think it can be called a rip off.

I see you got into Shanghai and is already enjoying yourself already!

Enjoy!

[Gualtier Malde]

I guess I spoke like an arrogant westerner in that case. Yes, if I could read Chinese I'd have caught it I'm sure. Not a rip, I take that back, just a cultural difference in process. I'm living and learning!

David


Sorry David, It is listed in most of the Saunas price list at the entance that if you leave before 7pm the price is XXX. Like at Yu Ping, it is 750 but if you leave before 7pm it 700. I know I know... it is in Chinese...and those who don;t read Chinese will not know. So to be fair, I don't think it can be called a rip off.

I see you got into Shanghai and is already enjoying yourself already!

Enjoy!

[Uuuuu]

Here's tough one for you guys. Anyone experienced US style oriental massage known as table shower massage in Shanghai? If so please kindly advise whereabouts is available here.

Thanks

[Gualtier Malde]

Why would you want that, when a well executed red rope massage is so far superior? Rather than showering you as you lay there, these girls tongue every inch (I mean *every* inch, from head to toe) of your body, then oil you up (or lather you, depends on the girl, and slides her body (tits, pussy, butt, all of the above, depending on the girl) over yours, among several other full body treatments over the course of your massage. Then comes the red rope. Oh, the red rope!

Any US procedure (and I've had them from east to west coast) pales in comparison...

Search this forum for "Sauna", or better yet, just read report #4772 in this forum.

David


Here's tough one for you guys. Anyone experienced US style oriental massage known as table shower massage in Shanghai? If so please kindly advise whereabouts is available here.

Thanks

[TangZhen]

I have had one in Wuxi. If you want I can PM you the info on how to find it. I was not so fond of it in general, not that there was anything wrong with the place or the girl (although I have very high standards for girls and this girls was only OK looking). Without sex it was like 200 rmb. I was cool to try it once, but I can find other options there that would be more attractive to me.


Here's tough one for you guys. Anyone experienced US style oriental massage known as table shower massage in Shanghai? If so please kindly advise whereabouts is available here.

Thanks

[Uuuuu]

Agreed and thanks. Just looking for a bit of variety.

[Blacklisted]

Hey all,
stay away from Tianlin rd. Posted a report on the 2 BBS down there a few weeks back, and recently discovered the price has trebled since then. Which means 300 for HJ and 600 for BJ.

Naturally laughed in her face upon hearing this news and made for the door, but it just goes to show how foreigners paying too much can indeed fuck things up pretty well.

Although I'm sure given a couple of weeks of no business things will return to normal.

But I won't know, as I won't go back, there are plenty of establishments with the correct pricing strategy.

[BJK]

Tripper,
I can hardly believe the price you were quoted.
When I went in January it was freezing cold and there were very few customers about.
I thought the 100/200 price was a bit pricey as it was.

I don't know Shanghai well but the whole time I was in the area I did not see another foreigner. So surprised there would be many going here to push the price up.

Anyway your policy of not going there anymore is the only good choice.

If you need to find a place in the area the Tianlin Hotel Sauna is an option. I don't know if I mentioned it before.
It's a small FS Sauna. Not sure how much for a RnT but the FS option is 580Y
I was probably there for one and a half hours.
I don't know if there are red rope or other facilities. I had a room with television and normal bed.

I had a nice cutie there. Around CNY when I was there most girls had headed home. There should be more now.

There is next to no English from the Sauna staff so some Chinese would be an advantage. Watch the Sauna lad adding on extra tips if you get a foot massage. He backed down fast when I corrected.

Of course the overall price is similar to the overpriced BBS but your getting much more. However it does not rank nearly as good as the Red Rope places mentioned elsewhere for slightly more, so just if you are in the area.

BJK


Hey all,
stay away from Tianlin rd. Posted a report on the 2 BBS down there a few weeks back, and recently discovered the price has trebled since then. Which means 300 for HJ and 600 for BJ.

Although I'm sure given a couple of weeks of no business things will return to normal.

[Dr Robert]

I am visiting Shanghai March 29-31. Does anyone want to monger as a group?

[Jerrymc77]

Any one have info on the sauna /heath club in the Regal Shanghai East Asia Hotel ( Stadium complex) ?

[Ace Gallant]

Any one have info on the sauna /heath club in the Regal Shanghai East Asia Hotel ( Stadium complex) ?

Why don't you search this thread under "Regal"?

Report #4138, etc, spoke about it.

[Acerboy]

I use "V" when I want to be extremely hard for one evening. The downside for me are the headaches and heat flashes.

I use "C" when I want to be able to get it up over 2-3 days. However, the intensity cannot compare with "V" for me, but there are no side effects.

Just my POV.

OAH
OAH,

try having a couple of glass of whisky with the V. It helps with the side effects you mentioned, well at least for some of my friends and myself.

Looking forward to my Shanghai trip in May and the red rope massage.:)

[Oscar Maradona]

I moved to Shanghai a few months ago and only now am I getting a chance to sample some of the local delights. My own mongering history centers around the termas in Rio, and I was not sure whether I could find a similar experience in China. Well, as you may have read from other posts, there sure as heck are some places that are similar to Rio's L'Uomo or Solarium here in Shanghai. Read Davids post of disinction #4772.

My journey started last month while entertaining friends visiting from Vancouver. The nighttime tourist stroll along The Bund and Nanjing Donglu is wrought full of touts peppering you with "Sexy massage" offers. Generally I stay away from touts, but having no previous experience in Shanghai, and having neglected to read this forum prior to venturing out, me and my visiting friends decided to investigate the touts' offers.

We followed touts to 2 KTV locations, and both were equally bad.
To cut the story short, we ended up buying our way out of the Egyptian Bar for 200rmb for 4 opened, untouched Budweisers. The management were insisting we pay 2,000rmb for simply sitting down in a booth. Then the service staff brought and opened beer and fruit that we did not order. The hostess girl quoted 350rmb for FS, but the manager quoted 750rmb. There was positively an attempt to intimidate us by surrounding us with 6 or 7 guys, and it could have got much uglier. One of my visitors speaks very basic Mandarin, and explained that we were leaving. We basically got up, left 200rmb on the table and left, all in the space of 20 minutes.

A bit of homework goes a long way.

I got back to my apartment and checked the forum. Duh. Our Egyptian ordeal happened the evening that David's post #4772 was published.

The next day my visitors wanted to see the Chinese DIY store Ho-Mart, a kind of local version of Home Depot. As it turns out, there is a recently re-opened BBS next door! There is no signage. The only clue is the entrance is frosted glass, with some unfrosted areas that allows for brief glimpses of short-skirted leg flesh. They quoted FS 200rmb. We negotiated to 130rmb but probably could have got lower. I equate the BBS to Rio's Villa Mimosa.

The sex? Well, what can one expect for 130rmb. For me, its the experience of sitting in a room with a handful of ladies, knowing that you will eventually do one. Then, making a selection and busting a nut. There's also something about that lingering waft of strawberry-lip-gloss perfume that turns my crank, I think it's standard issue perfume that comes with any purchase of the indispensible "Ho-kit" carry bag that the girls always seem have with them. And what about that elated feeling you have when leaving. I sometimes wonder if that local passerby is really thinking 'You bastard, I know where you were' as she sees you exit. Why is it always some little-old-lady/grandmother that is waiting just outside the door of these places?

Ok, skip ahead a month to last night. I just arrived from a regular Hong Kong visa run. I'm really looking for a spot to decompress, chill, bust. The red rope sounded intriguing, so I ventured out to the Hongqiao area per the previous posts. The sauna is similar in some ways to termas in Rio, or the boites in Spain. Services-ammenities wise, a Shanghai sauna is really great. Perhaps better than Rio or Spain in my opinion. By services and ammenities, I mean the non-sex stuff that a place has to offer like whirlpools, pro massage, and steam rooms.

The big difference is the boite/boate, or box. It's the room full of girls that you can choose from, versus a lineup, or a hostess-is-your-server arrangement that I found here in Shanghai. Personally, I enjoy the dynamics of a boite, where there are all these girls to mingle with. Sure, there are sometimes other guys in there competing with you as well, but for me it adds to the whole experience. Some of my best memories of Rio are being the only dick walking into a boite full of girls, a bit like falling into a shark tank, but knowing beforehand that there's a very happy ending in store.

The lineup method is arguaably more civilized. If there were a way to tell the hostess that I'm only interested in choosing from a lineup of girls with this quality or that atribute... I'm not quite there yet with the language, and don't really know if that type of downselecting is allowed.

Anyways, after the decompression session in the sauna, I get changed into their pajama thing and go sit and wait in a foot massage room with a pair of big reclining chairs and a TV. The host, a man asks "Am Pie" I just nod, then throw in a gesture like a girl swinging upside-down from the ceiling, spinning as she's sucking me off... He gets it.

A minute later he walks in with a curvy nice looking girl, named "Number 639". He ensures me "shee velly good with swing" and away we go.

Well shiver me timbers, that's crushed ice!
I explained to the charming Number 639 that I want the hot-cold, fire-ice, bing-la. She asks me to roll over onto by stomach. I should have known something was up when she started with a very technical cleaning of my ass. She used some kind of hot chemical-based handi-wipe thing, and I thought for a moment this must be the "fire". Wrong.

She's nude now, and hops onto the bed and straddles my back. Then she runs her nipples all along my back and up and down the back of my legs. Then she reaches over for a mouthful of hot water and continues with the nipple thing while sucking my back. It's a great sensation. She does that all along my back, down my legs, and massages my balls at the same time. Cool.

Then she reaches for a mouthful of ice. Same treatment along my back and legs, but this time she stops at my ass and starts rimming me wih a mouthful of ice while giving a nice hand job. Its all good, then she jams a whole bunch of crushed ice into my butt and I shudder. I mean Jeeezus. I'm kind of laughing to myself at this point, thinking "That is some cold ass shit".

She asks me to roll over and now she's preparing the red rope. The first part of the red rope trick is the spinning. Hang upside-down from a single point, twist the rope and spin as he rope unravels. Though Number 639 wasn't really able to get a good, continuous spin going. Did I mention her mouth was full of hot water at the time?

Next, she re-adjusts the rope to make a swing. This is fun, and she is much more proficient at this swining style. Next, she puts a condom on me and she's cowgirl, then reverse cowgirl while on the swing. Yeehaw.

We change positions, and I bust in missionary. Total time 1 hour, almost to the second.

We relax a bit, I change back into my pajama thing and am led back to the Foot Massage room. A hostess asks if I want a foot massage, and after flying in from Hong Kong earlier, a foot massage sounds, well, great.
Oh, she pointed to my left foot, my right foot, then my groin and said 150 kwai.

Ok. A minute later, skinnier Number 187 comes in and gives me a great foot massage. I mean, great. And I'm thinking, if she's this good with her hands on my feet... oh man. So she now works her way up to my rod and everything is great. She's got great hands, and a great attitude. I mean come on, I just busted after the fire-ice rope trick. Number 187 knew it would take a bit of elbow grease. It was great, but after about 30 minutes I could feel that she was thinking, c'mon dude, any time now. I was hard all along, and when I finally blew, I took a quick look at her and saw she was looking up at the ceiling smiling to herself and I also burst out laughing. Oh what fun.

I headed back to the showers and sat in the spa before leaving. Total, 750rmb. If you are interested, you can just use the spa amenities-facilities and get a foot massage and handjob for 400-450rmb.

As I mentioned, I am a newbie in Shanghai, and am always up for another round. PM me if you are looking for mongering buddies.

[Troobloo]

Going to Shanghai on Monday 20 March.

Any idea if there's discreet services available and if this hotel allows girls into rooms?

[Buzz00]

Then she reaches for a mouthful of ice. Same treatment along my back and legs, but this time she stops at my ass and starts rimming me wih a mouthful of ice while giving a nice hand job. Its all good, then she jams a whole bunch of crushed ice into my butt and I shudder. I mean Jeeezus. I'm kind of laughing to myself at this point, thinking "That is some cold ass shit".


Pluto, man this is some of the funniest shit I have read in a really long time - bloody damn hilarious - great story !

Cheers

[Psyche]

The address is 505 Wulumuqi Rd. The center is the whole 2nd floor as far as I can tell. The service is pretty much as spelled out in previous posts, but very enjoyable and a good value for the money. If you've never had a FULL service sauna experience it is well worth it. It would help if someone would list the addresses of the other full service saunas, as I couldn't find them on the board after a fair amount of searching, and the hotel staff wasn't familiar either.

[Uuuuu]

I have had one in Wuxi. If you want I can PM you the info on how to find it. I was not so fond of it in general, not that there was anything wrong with the place or the girl (although I have very high standards for girls and this girls was only OK looking). Without sex it was like 200 rmb. I was cool to try it once, but I can find other options there that would be more attractive to me.Yes, please provide me with the details on the location in Wuxi...was there any option to upgrade the service to FS?

[Dragueur]

David Xyzzy 1:

Did you mean the Shanghai Hotel on Urumqi Road and Huashan Road?
I do like this area, but I prefer bars. My favorite one is Blue Dream Bar, at
No.1, Lane 108 of Huashan Road. If you guy like also bars, you may try this one. There is one girl just arrived this month called Coco, I will post her photos next week here.
Happy hunting.



A word of caution to avoid an unexpected surprise at the Shanghai Hotel sauna.

The price before 7pm is 650RMB, after 7pm it is 750RMB. However, the time is not the time you enter, it is the time you leave! So if you show up at 5:00, like I did, expecting to pay 650, then wander out around 7:15, like I did, you'll get hit with an extra 100RMB. I think that's a rip, but still, it's a great experience. See this post (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=442397&postcount=3548) for a photo of my last RA there.

[Comrade 2255]

Just to reinforce Pluto's post, some advice for the uninitiated:

*** NEVER *** follow touts/pimps/ladies for action/coffee/drinks to bars/clubs/restaurants (especially those who solicit you around the Nanjing Lu pedestrian mall and the Portman hotel) unless you enjoy plates of unsolicited fruit and drinks, and an hour of inane conversation, at the cost of a month's salary for a local (1500-2000RMB)

[Gualtier Malde]

...
It would help if someone would list the addresses of the other full service saunas, as I couldn't find them on the board after a fair amount of searching, and the hotel staff wasn't familiar either.

Hmm, well, if you just click on the "Search" function at the top of the page, and type "Da Tang Yu Jing" you will immediately find several posts, a few of which say explicitly "3125 Hong Mei Lu".

If you type "Yu Ping", you will immediately find several posts, a couple of which say explicitly "448 ZunYi Road".

I would wager you'd get similar results for just about any sauna you search for explicitly.

You can also find a Shanghai report (not mine) in Reports of Distinction that has a long laundry list of sauna addresses.

We write about these places a lot, and it is tedious to put the address in again and again. Generally, the first time someone posts about a new place they'll give the address. We expect members to show some respect for the work of others and use the Search function before asking.

David

[Haiguish]

Went down to Da Village on Hangzhong Lu, but all the shops were shuttered down and closed.

Anyone know why?

[Ace Gallant]

Just to reinforce Pluto's post, some advice for the uninitiated:

*** NEVER *** follow touts/pimps/ladies for action/coffee/drinks to bars/clubs/restaurants unless you enjoy plates of unsolicited fruit and drinks, and an hour of inane conversation, at the cost of a month's salary for a local (1500-2000RMB)

This goes for any cities in China, including SARs (HongKong, and Macau).

Of course there are people who has too much money to spend.....

AG

[Ace Gallant]

Going to Shanghai on Monday 20 March.

Any idea if there's discreet services available and if this hotel allows girls into rooms?

Refer to post #4772, you will find what you want.

[Cebu Local]

Refer to post #4772, you will find what you want.Great response Better then RTFF or RTFF post#4722

[Wawada Hot]

I knew a lot of girls in shanghai,and I am a university man in shanghai.I knew many good place just 150RMB for ML.So,if you have interesting,you can contack with me.

[Angstman]

Hello all, been lurking here for a while. Been living and working in SH for about 1.5 years now, and totally loving it. Most of my action consists of freebies, with a weekly penchant for the oily hand.

I bought some of the Viagra thats advertised in the local pharmacies, called: 'Wei(3)ge(1)' in chinese. I bought the box of (5) 100mg pills for 495 kuai. Now, its been a year since I took this stuff. At that time, I bought the pills at Changning hospital for 125 kuai a pop. I took only half and i was rock solid for hours and squeezed out 4-5 pops, and it often lasted until the next morning.

Over the last week, I tried the new ones I bought at the local pharmacy -- bit half of the pill and about an hour later got the hot flashes and headache. My boner was pretty much normal, and didnt feel anything extraordinary. A couple of days later I took another half pill, and this time it did not work at all -- i actually had trouble getting a wood, and manage one measly pop.

Now, I haven't tried a full 100mg tab at one time, and I'm hesitant to do so. Someone on the CQ board saod something like the 100mg tabs only contain like 25-30 of the actual drug. Can anyone verify these experiences?

[Dragon D]

What time did you go there? They usually don't start up until 7PM also heard they were moving soon. So maybe they did. Or maybe there was a police crack down.

On another note, I have been solicited once in a while by asian men who offer services and because I know China and the language very well I can usually tell if something is wrong. I heard from a couple of friends though, that under cover cops might start soliciting lao wai to catch them in the act so they pretend to be someone they are not. Be careful. If you don't speak the language try to go out with someone who does. Safety first. Take care all.

[Troobloo]

Thanks! I went to read both, but could not figure out if jcm allowed girls in. any idea?


Great response Better then RTFF or RTFF post#4722

[Tony Soprano 1]

The Mandarin will not hassle you bringing in a guest as long as discretion is used. I have stayed there many times and never had a problem at any time.

As far as special services, you can head downstairs beyond the check-in desk to the Happy Garden or Rich Garden club. (whatever it's called) have a drink and you could pick up one of the girls there who will meet you in your room. I never took one but my buddy did. Too expensive. I think he wound up paying something crazy, 1500RMB or something like that. Yikes!

There are many other options available in Shanghai to spend your money. Hit one of the sauna's. You need to experience the red rope treatment.

Have fun.

Cheers!

[Albert Punter]

I would like to briefly comment about his comparison between Brazilian and Chinese scenes.

It is true that in general you can find some common points: “termas” are similar to saunas, etc. . However, when you look into details, difference is big.

First of all, IMHO, Brazil offers the widest possible variety of girls: all races are represented. You can chose between white (either blondes, dark haired or red haired), mulatas, negras, oriental, arab, etc. . Here generally you can only get girls who look same (more or less).
This situation reflects particularly on bodies: Brazilian bodies vs Chinese bodies is no contest !

Second, attitude of girls is generally different: normally Chinese are more bitchie and try to rip you off.

Third, communication may be better, because of similar mentality (for us, poor western guys) or just because Portuguese may be spoken by more of us (at least by me). This makes experience more interesting, and not just limited to sex.

Otherwise, you can get a lot of fun in both countries.




I moved to Shanghai a few months ago and only now am I getting a chance to sample some of the local delights. My own mongering history centers around the termas in Rio, and I was not sure whether I could find a similar experience in China.

[Ace Gallant]

Went down to YuPing Sauna with Passinthough tonight. Pretty good service and selections of girls.

Reason why I am posting one this much posted place is that I found that in there are 2 rooms in the sauna is equiped with a Love seat. You may call me newbie or whatever, but this is the first time I seen Love seats in Shanghai Sauna! My girl told me that she know that only those two rooms to the left of the stairscase is Equiped with it. So for those who fancy Love seats, remember to ask for those rooms on the left side.

AG

[Paulweller12]

Went down to YuPing Sauna with Passinthough tonight. Pretty good service and selections of girls.

Reason why I am posting one this much posted place is that I found that in there are 2 rooms in the sauna is equiped with a Love seat. You may call me newbie or whatever, but this is the first time I seen Love seats in Shanghai Sauna! My girl told me that she know that only those two rooms to the left of the stairscase is Equiped with it. So for those who fancy Love seats, remember to ask for those rooms on the left side.

AGHello, Asian Gambler and you all out there.

I was wondering about the Love seat, can you tell us more about it?

How it works and what it is for? I haven´t seen these things so I am really curious about it.

Best regards,

Paul.

[Ace Gallant]

Hello, Asian Gambler and you all out there.

I was wondering about the Love seat, can you tell us more about it?

How it works and what it is for? I haven´t seen these things so I am really curious about it.

Best regards,

Paul.

A Love Seat is basically and Special Chair made for Love making purpose.

See picture for an example. The one they had in Yuping is better than this model in the picture.

[Bnlee2]

nice pic of the loveseat. at the east ocean hotel in cp (dongguan) their loveseat is even more advance. i had a double where i was lying down on the chair and i had one gal on top of me while the other was AR me. The chair was literally jumping off the floor.. The East Ocean Hotel also have motorize bed that operates on multiple positions. Those rooms must be reserved in advance. sorry i do not have pics of it. i will try to get pics of it on my next trip in may. the loveseat that i tried had handles on both side and looks a bit more sturdier.





A Love Seat is basically and Special Chair made for Love making purpose.

See picture for an example. The one they had in Yuping is better than this model in the picture.

[Hallo]

As Psyche has stated previously, the sauna at shanghai hotel is a very nice place to be. Being a newbie as myself I’m a little freaked about the new law that states that foreigners can be expelled from the country if mongering around, so I decided to quit the BBS deal and go for more secure environments, as the saunas tend to be.

I found the place pretty easily, and a quick look at the menu gave me the option of “special massage package, daytime, 650 RMB”. I didn’t really know what to do, so I just pointed at it, and the lady smiled and made some notes on a card. Then a younger fella showed an asked me to undress in the locker area. At that point I needed to go to the bathroom, and asked for the way. I was led to a corridor whit a lot of massage rooms, and passing them I could hear there were some serious action taking place. After having a shower a guy asked if I was ready for massage, and we left for a different area, some confusion here, that made me a little nervous. Chinese places always seems to be over staffed, and this was no exception. After a little while he corrected his mistake, and we headed for a third area, a little dark corridor, and there it was. I sat down, and 2 min later a girl picked me up, going to the room. (Is it possible to ask for other girl at this point?) She was very strait forward, not doing any ordinary massage, as I had expected, but instead starting some water treatment, ass licking and BBBJ. She also did the red rope trick, and its nice, but what’s the point really? The girl was not my taste, but she was nice and hairy, which I like, so it was ok. I didn’t know if I could touch her so I was really slow in the beginning, but she helped me, and touching and licking her pussy while she was doing her thing seemed to be just fine. Then she laid down, asking me to do her. She didn’t asked twice. After some different positions she started to complain about size. Sporting a 8” er, I was a little bit surprised to hear that, but maybe it was out of courtesy? (Someone herd this before?) The finish was very good and I left satisfied. Going back to the normal area a lady asked if I wanted massage, but I refused. Maybe this was the normal massage deal? I have to find out next time.

I had a shower and a bath, and headed for the exit, where the bill was presented, saying 650. Overall a very nice experience, but I would like to go there next time whit some company (Not the FS-type of company). Someone on the forum how is interested, please let me know. About security i felt alot mor safe than in the BBS. The possibility to bail or doing ordinary massage was always at hand, and i did check the emergency exits, paranoide as i am.

Best,

Hallo

[PassinThrough]

AG,

I think you had the room I had last time. The love seat is similar to a Gyno chair with a place for the girl to lean back, put her feet and adjustable for the right position. Personally I don't find them that comfortable but that is just me. A lot of S and M places in Europe have them or something similar and offer a thing called "Clinic" service. I have heard it is like seeing a really sexy DR. for a rectal exam with extras.

Just one tip to foreigners who want to go to a sauna, if you can go with someone local that speaks the local language. You will have a much better time, in addition to having company to talk to as you relax in the hot tub they can help you with the food and drink menu and translate the girls comments.

PIT

[Paulweller12]

Hi Guys,

I heard that prostage massage can be good for health (maybe I saw it in this forum). Anyway, do you know about any good place with the service being done by ladies ?

I think it´s no problem if a lady does it and knows how to do it. I have never had one, but it could be interesting.

This is not a gay things so, please no silly jokes. I like the forum on a pro note.

Rgds,

Paul

[Ace Gallant]

AG,

I think you had the room I had last time. The love seat is similar to a Gyno chair with a place for the girl to lean back, put her feet and adjustable for the right position. Personally I don't find them that comfortable but that is just me. A lot of S and M places in Europe have them or something similar and offer a thing called "Clinic" service. I have heard it is like seeing a really sexy DR. for a rectal exam with extras.

Just one tip to foreigners who want to go to a sauna, if you can go with someone local that speaks the local language. You will have a much better time, in addition to having company to talk to as you relax in the hot tub they can help you with the food and drink menu and translate the girls comments.

PIT

Yah...that is true, the seat is only confortable for an average size person and not so fun if you are bigger. We do see these Love seats in Love hotels in Japan or in some Love hotel in Makati. Not sure about Europe but also in Thailand and Germany. But as I said, that the first time I see it appearing in China!

Well... my girls last night did rimming and BBBJ for me while I was on the chair, sort of nice postion before climbing on top of me to do cowboy riding! I guess she was telling the truth that it is her 4 day into working there because she nicely forgot the rubber and put my brother in. Stopped girl before she started riding action and she realized she had done something real stupid and quickly took my dicky out putting the rubbers on before proceeding further actions. She was real tight although she is quite wet by than.

I thought my foot massage girl was quite cute and also have a date fix with her, I can smell another freebie coming!

PIT, your Foot massage girl was the most popular as mentioned by mine. She is suppose to be the "Prettiest" FM girl in YuPing.

Enjoy!
AG

[Gualtier Malde]

Hallo,

Next time you go to Shanghai Hotel sauna, I recommend brushing up on procedure by reading post #4772. You will get a lot more out of it. Normally you should take advantage of the whirlpool, dry/wet sauna, regular massage services, etc., which is quite enjoyable, before being led to the more intimate areas. Also, they normally offer a selection of girls. If you follow the procedure outlined, they will recognize that you are an experienced sauna goer and will give you the right treatment. If you spend less than 2.5 hours there, you aren't getting the full experience you deserve, in my opinion.

(I would agree with Passinthrough and AG that going with a friend helps, though I have yet to find a time when we are all able to go together. Perhaps my next (solo) trip, guys!)

At Shanghai Sauna, you can usually hear the girls in the other rooms loudly moaning and screaming as their guys pump them. Totally fake, but it is really funny. My girl and I laugh and mimic them as we go at it ourselves. To me it is all a part of the fun experience. Enjoy!

David


As Psyche has stated previously, the sauna at shanghai hotel is a very nice place to be. Being a newbie as myself I’m a little freaked about the new law that states that foreigners can be expelled from the country if mongering around, so I decided to quit the BBS deal and go for more secure environments, as the saunas tend to be.

I found the place pretty easily, and a quick look at the menu gave me the option of “special massage package, daytime, 650 RMB”. I didn’t really know what to do, so I just pointed at it, and the lady smiled and made some notes on a card. Then a younger fella showed an asked me to undress in the locker area. At that point I needed to go to the bathroom, and asked for the way. I was led to a corridor whit a lot of massage rooms, and passing them I could hear there were some serious action taking place. After having a shower a guy asked if I was ready for massage, and we left for a different area, some confusion here, that made me a little nervous. Chinese places always seems to be over staffed, and this was no exception. After a little while he corrected his mistake, and we headed for a third area, a little dark corridor, and there it was. I sat down, and 2 min later a girl picked me up, going to the room. (Is it possible to ask for other girl at this point?) She was very strait forward, not doing any ordinary massage, as I had expected, but instead starting some water treatment, ass licking and BBBJ. She also did the red rope trick, and its nice, but what’s the point really? The girl was not my taste, but she was nice and hairy, which I like, so it was ok. I didn’t know if I could touch her so I was really slow in the beginning, but she helped me, and touching and licking her pussy while she was doing her thing seemed to be just fine. Then she laid down, asking me to do her. She didn’t asked twice. After some different positions she started to complain about size. Sporting a 8” er, I was a little bit surprised to hear that, but maybe it was out of courtesy? (Someone herd this before?) The finish was very good and I left satisfied. Going back to the normal area a lady asked if I wanted massage, but I refused. Maybe this was the normal massage deal? I have to find out next time.

I had a shower and a bath, and headed for the exit, where the bill was presented, saying 650. Overall a very nice experience, but I would like to go there next time whit some company (Not the FS-type of company). Someone on the forum how is interested, please let me know. About security i felt alot mor safe than in the BBS. The possibility to bail or doing ordinary massage was always at hand, and i did check the emergency exits, paranoide as i am.

Best,

Hallo

[Pcbasia]

Hi,

Welcome to shanghai and I would like to make friends with you and I can help you.

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[PassinThrough]

I can believe my foot massage girl is popular, she is quite cute and has a very nice smile. She also has a nice body and good "massage" skills. Of course I didn't get a phone number and I know you will get a freebie from yours.

As for going alone, I agree it is not nearly as much fun and you really don't get the full benefit of the sauna. You need to go with others, preferable people sho know the Sauna and speak the language. I didn't even know they had food there until I went with AG.

If you want to go with others put up a posting a day or two ahead of when you are going and ask if anyone is interested. I am sure someone will be.

PIT

[Dragon D]

Heya all,

Please have a look in the classified section. I have two posts that are for the shanghai crowd. Thanks.

Also on another note, found a cute apartment girl the other day via Sina which was nice. Good full service GFE expereince and she sucked me so dry I felt dehydrated. Too bad she is off to her home town for 3 months. Oh well. Next.

[Squib Boy]

Hello local mongers,

I will be making my first trip to Shanghai towards the end of April. Since this will be my first trip to your fine city, and since I don't speak the local language, I would be interested in finding out if any of you could recommend a local girl who could not only satisfy my carnal desires but also act as my local tour guide for the 3 days I plan to be out there. If you happen to know of such a girl, please feel free to PM me and provide details. I am definitely looking for very high quality here, both in looks and service, so please only respond if you feel you can refer someone of very high caliber. Thanks!

[Ace Gallant]

Hi Guys,

I heard that prostage massage can be good for health (maybe I saw it in this forum). Anyway, do you know about any good place with the service being done by ladies ?

I think it´s no problem if a lady does it and knows how to do it. I have never had one, but it could be interesting.

This is not a gay things so, please no silly jokes. I like the forum on a pro note.

Rgds,

Paul

1) Yes, it is good for health, Sexual Health. After the massage you will find that you last like a bull. Recommand that you have that before the FS massage!
2) Most Saunas in Shanghai offer that with Foot massage, these are the "additional Service", just ask for "Jia Zhong"
3) As for whether which place is good, it all depends on which Saunas and which lady doing it.

Enjoy!

[Blacklisted]

I've also been interested in this and checked it out at the men's health place on tianlin lu a while back. There, and I don't know about other places, they basically just massage around your pubic bone with some hot oil. There's no actual 'direct prostate contact' (if that's what you're seeking), but yep, they told me the same as AG says, that it's supposedly good for the sexual health.

Personally, I thought it was a bit of a crock, but hey, got to try these things out once just so you know.

On another note, there was some penetration involved in one of the BBS across the street (not the one I mentioned where the prices had skyrocketed, but the one on the corner).

The girl basically indicated toward the region and said "gei ni hen shufu" for 200 kuai so I thought fuck it, why not!

It definitely makes you fire off like a racehorse, and I would recommend it if the option is available.

Happy hunting!

Oh yea, not gay! (not that there's anything wrong with that!!!) But you do feel strangely violated (guess that's how the poor girls feel after we've all fucked them silly).

[Blacklisted]

Went there today (about 1.30pm) on a solo mission for my first sauna experience.

I was quite intrigued by the reports I've read, especially David's excellent report of distinction, so I thought it high time I made the treck to the up market end of town after the numerous BBS budget experiences I've had thus far. Just to see what 700 kuai buys in this town!

Utilising David's info, I think I appeared a little too 'in the know' as they menu price check was overlooked and I was ushered down the stairs into the bowels of the Da Tang.

As previously reported, the fascilities are pretty clean and there is a definite air of professionalism.

After a quick shower I hopped into the bacteria pool for a brief soak, noting the sign: "If you have any infectious skin conditions please humbly refrain from utilising the pool, auspiciously, subservient thanks" or some such flowery translation.

Needless to say this assisted in making my soak time slightly shorter, and I jumped out and into the sauna, to slowly asphyxiate myself.

I tried to get out but the dude insisted I sweat it out before the 'exfoliation' session, otherwise it wouldn't be as effective.

Well, after scrubbing off the top couple layers of skin from my entire body to the point where I was sure I would be leaving little spots of blood on the towels, I was then doused in the Japanese green liquid (add 20 kuai) which stung like an absolute bastard.

All the time being questioned throughout if I was comfortable, I stupidly replied, "mmm, hen shufu", when I was really thinking, 'fuck!!!!! That hurts like an absolute bastard!'

Anyway, all was very cool with the nice sadist making sure I understood the pricing strategy, which was 30 for the torture and 20 for the green paint stripper treatment, before ushering me into another different sauna and turning the heat up to 'blistering'.

By this time my skin felt like it had been sanded down well enough and even the warm water in the shower felt like little needles on my back. I know, I know, I'm a bit of a ponce!

From there I was anticipating the best part to come.

I was led to the VIP rooms and to a small foot massage type room, given a choice of drinks and three bits of watermelon, and told to 'xiuxi xiuxi yi xia', which I did.

Very quickly the mama came along with three lovely young ladies who introduced themselves submissively and stood looking at the wall while I was asked to make my selection.

The first one actually appeared to be the most enthusiastic (which is my first general sign of a good ability to fuck), but she was not the one which caught my eye.

The last one was certainly the hottest, so I gestured toward her and the others smiled and left.

Almost as soon as I'd chosen I know I had not chosen wisely.

Mechanical is a word that comes to mind, also perhaps disinterested, bored, unhappy and apathetic.

I was thinking, 'hmmm, can I swap for number one?' But as I was a newbie I thought I would just try to cheer her up a bit.

Second mistake. This was a complete waste of effort, with my attempts at humour and kindness ignored.

So then I thoughtm 'fuck it. She's going to work for her money today!!'

First up was the cat bath, which I must say was almost worth the 650 on its own. The soothing sensations of her mouth and tongue up and down my last layer of skin was absolute heaven.

Her AR skills left a bit to be desired, only lasting all of twenty seconds, and the BJ was a covered, and therefore a pretty crap one.

She had a crack at the red rope which was slightly amusing, and even did one twirl on it, but I was disappointed she was not forthcoming with a leg spread pussy show, and kept it all pretty well hidden.

Eventually the action started, and it was all very clean and robotic with me having to ask her to get back on the rope again, which she did begrudgingly, and was basically a very dud root.

Finally she opted for a covered hand job as there was no way I was blowing with the levels of enthusiasm she was distributing.

I got her to swing her snatch over my face while she jerked so I could check out the merchandise, and this assisted in firing a shot away.

I mentioned the pink vibrator, but she only pulled out a little egg type one which she held uncomfortably over my balls for a few seconds before I gave up.

Overall, that was my experience, although I can say it always does really depend on the girl for a top notch time, and unfortunatly, mine was hot as hell in looks, but absolutely useless in the sack.

The mama asked me if she was any good and I replied ' hai keyi' to that, which was pretty dead on.

She gave me her card and asked me to come back with friends and said to call her next time before hand and she'd suss out some I guess more specialised treatment.

Her name is li(4) na (4) and her number is 13621613282. I would suggest giving her a bell (or getting a mandarin speaker to if you can't speak the lingo) and telling her you are an old customer and that you're coming down and would like to be looked after. This should hopefully ensure you end up with a better girl than I had, and an overall better experience.


Overall, I thought the place was okay, and the price was 650 as reported plus the extra 50 to the dungeon master.


Happy hunting!

[Santa]

They recommend a prostate medical examination for early cancer detection.

Most of us don't want a male doctor sticking his finger in our privates. I wonder if there are any high-class massage/health centers with cute ladies offering those services?

[Mianbao]

Finally made it out there on Sunday night, around 8pm. I think I found the village...it was Wuzhong/Hangzhong intersection, with a white archway over Hangzhong. At first sight there was only one BBS there, so thought it wasn't it and kept walking. Coming back later I realised there were more hidden behind a row of auto accessory shops off the street. About five shops in all.

Was almost put off by the people milling around outside the shops urging me to go in. I do not like being pressured! Anyway I investigated two shops, at the first one they did not seem to keen on takeout, so passed (wasn't going to indulge there due to the recent reports on catching foreigners in the act) despite the fact that there were a couple of very nice looking dongbei hotties.

In the second shop got a much better reception. I talked directly to the boss, who asked the girl how much. She said 200, considering I have read here 100-130 while there and take out is usually a bit more, I accepted (with promise of taxi fee back). I don't think 200 for take out should be spoiling the market...!

Took a relatively young cutie, service was acceptable, I have had a lot worse.

By the way on Friday night went to Manhatten on Tongren, first one that approached I rejected (not very good looking), second one I spoke to was well endowed but average in looks. She started at 1000 (which seems normal for this street) and only got down to 800, and she wanted to be paid up front. Would not budge from that so I left. Obviously catering to those who have not read this forum!

Mianbao.

[Pcbasia]

Hi,

I am shangnese and I have many experiences with local girs and I would like to share all my experiences and information with friends from both local and overseas. I am pleased to be your giude and do pls email to me if you need any help.

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[Traveler1234]

Hi,

I am shangnese and I have many experiences with local girs and I would like to share all my experiences and information with friends from both local and overseas. I am pleased to be your giude and do pls email to me if you need any help.

openworld2006@163.com


The rules of this board absolutely prohibit posting of your or anyone else's email address. Jackson already deleted your email on yesterday post and if you keep it up, he might throw you out....

And since you are advertising your services, please move it to the Classified section...hsieh hsieh ni, or as we shanghainese say: "sha sha nu".

[Gualtier Malde]

Mianbao, you did the right thing at Manhattan! No way should you pay 1000, not ever, from a Manhattan take out. 800 maybe for overnight, but definitely no payment up front!

David




...
By the way on Friday night went to Manhatten on Tongren, first one that approached I rejected (not very good looking), second one I spoke to was well endowed but average in looks. She started at 1000 (which seems normal for this street) and only got down to 800, and she wanted to be paid up front. Would not budge from that so I left. Obviously catering to those who have not read this forum!

Mianbao.

[Gualtier Malde]

Hey Tripper, nice report! You know, I think I have to agree about the more robotic nature of DTYJ versus others. I think the one great thing about them is they have nice beds, wider than others. I prefer the added space. Makes it more like a hotel room rather than a massage table. But they do seem a bit more business-like there. Also, I never actually saw a menu there at the front. They just take you downstairs. I guess folks only go there for one reason!

So far my experiences at the Shanghai Hotel have been a lot more relaxed and friendly. Also, on my last visit there, I discovered that the girls are absolutely prohibited by the boss from finishing early. They must give you the full time on the clock. So if you finish before the time is up, they are going to get creative and find something interesting to do (my last one got *very* interesting).

Next time I'm out and available, let's hit that one together, and compare notes!

Note to the forum: I think both saunas are top notch, I think I'm just discussing things at a nuance level. You'll have lots of fun in either place.

David

[Cebu Local]

Hi,

I am shangnese and I have many experiences with local girs and I would like to share all my experiences and information with friends from both local and overseas. I am pleased to be your giude and do pls email to me if you need any help.

[email[/email]I guess this newbie wants to get evicted from the board.He does not know how to use the PM system.So wanted to say bye bye before he is removed

[Cebu Local]

Dragon
I have a question about your takeout service in the classified ad section.Please get back to me,Since report #4772 doesnt cover take out and delivery service.But this is what i print out and give to clients inquiring about Shanghai Nightlife.Cheers

[Traveler1234]

I guess this newbie wants to get evicted from the board.He does not know how to use the PM system.So wanted to say bye bye before he is removed

We don't want him banned, especially if he can provide good service. He should just move to classified thread or revise his post to say PM for details. IMHO.

[PassinThrough]

Hi,

I am shangnese and I have many experiences with local girs and I would like to share all my experiences and information with friends from both local and overseas. I am pleased to be your giude and do pls email to me if you need any help.



If you are really interested in helping out people new to Shanghai then POST your information here. Tell people about places you have been and the experiences you had. If you are looking to make money off of people for helping them, move your post to the classified section where it belongs. This board is for sharing experiences and helping people for free. There are also a lot of people on this board that are willing to show new people around the city if they ask. I know that is how I learned a lot about Shanghai.

PIT

[PassinThrough]

Dragon
I have a question about your takeout service in the classified ad section.Please get back to me,Since report #4772 doesnt cover take out and delivery service.But this is what i print out and give to clients inquiring about Shanghai Nightlife.Cheers

Cebu,

Post your question, maybe some others can help as well. I have used a number of the ourcall services in the Shanghai Daily. Some are purely legitimate massage (Emerald) and others are definately not (Yuki, VIP, Lisa).

I'd be happy to help if I can and I will talk to David about adding an outcall section to his report.

Brian

[Denis]

I went to Village last night , my first time (thanks to DogDog for the hints)
Found a small one with 3 good looking girls,
I can confirm that even with no one world of Chinese it is very easy to make them interstand what you want,
Agreed on 200RMB for BBBJ, nice ice and fire! I am sure additional servces was availble but BBBJ was just what I needed.
do not ask me the adress, I have no clue.
DEnis

[Dog Day]

Good you found it... just take control of yourself, it can be a bit "addictive" a very quick fix when you are bored...and horny.

That shop must be quite happy with your donation..thats fine as long as you atre satisfied.
Normal in-house rates are
- 100 to 120 for plain BBBJ
- 130 to 150 for a home run..BBBJ, FS, etc
- 150 to 200 for FS take home..
- around 400 for LT...

[Gualtier Malde]

Brian,

I would be happy to add a section to the report. Whoever has the info, put up some information, and I'll add it. I personally have no experience with takeout.

We can make 4772 a FAQ for Shanghai.

The only technical detail, which I guess I need to discuss with Jackson, is that it appears that after a certain time you can no longer edit old reports. So I think I'll have to repost it, thus losing that "sacred" #4772.

Maybe there is a way to make certain posts sticky and always editable by the author or a designate of Jackson (since the original author may eventually move on).

David


Cebu,

Post your question, maybe some others can help as well. I have used a number of the ourcall services in the Shanghai Daily. Some are purely legitimate massage (Emerald) and others are definately not (Yuki, VIP, Lisa).

I'd be happy to help if I can and I will talk to David about adding an outcall section to his report.

Brian

[Dragon D]

Heya all,

Just had a blast at the village last night. My buddy took up four girls which was a sight. Paying USD to the papa was even more fun to see.

I got a 8 in my book with not great tits, but tight as hell. Not bad.

Btw, I have sent the info to David.

Also on another note, I also offer visa services in Shanghai. So, if anyone needs help in this area, let me know and I can take care of you.

I offer 6 month and 1 year F visas and working visas with working permits. If your visa is expired, I can handdle that up to 5 days. If you need to go to HK, I also offer HK visa travel services.

Just trying to keep our brothers in China and having fun.

Cheers,

Dragon

[Eaglestar]

David,

As long as the post is still on the thread you can always copy and paste, then edit and repost it. Pretty easy to do I think.

ES

[Gualtier Malde]

Sorry, but Dragon D just sent me his price list and his email address. I won't put that in my report, it would just be shilling for his business. (And Dragon D, please take your advertising, as in the quoted post below, to classifieds. Thank you.)

I think the information people want is experiences and advice in using takeout services, not just another takeout service listing. I would be willing to post *advice* on takeout services (how to access them, what prices are *reasonable* as stated by the community, not by the takeout pimps, and some reviews of selected services by trusted senior members). I am more than happy to distill forum information.

Further, I would be *totally happy* to sample services recommended by senior forum members and post my personal opinion. Indeed, if any of the services would like me to review them, they need only contact me by PM and we can work out a time. [Note to services, since I don't usually do the takeout route, and I would expect to review several, don't expect me to pay your regular prices.]

David


Heya all,

Just had a blast at the village last night. My buddy took up four girls which was a sight. Paying USD to the papa was even more fun to see.

I got a 8 in my book with not great tits, but tight as hell. Not bad.

Btw, I have sent the info to David.

Also on another note, I also offer visa services in Shanghai. So, if anyone needs help in this area, let me know and I can take care of you.

I offer 6 month and 1 year F visas and working visas with working permits. If your visa is expired, I can handdle that up to 5 days. If you need to go to HK, I also offer HK visa travel services.

Just trying to keep our brothers in China and having fun.

Cheers,

Dragon

[Gualtier Malde]

Yes, thanks, of course you are right. I was trying to work out a way that would put the changes back into the original message, so that I could preserve "ownership" of the message number (4772). There is no other way to have a long term "sticky" message in the Shanghai forum that can be edited at will forever. Perhaps Jackson will create such a capability in the future.

David


David,

As long as the post is still on the thread you can always copy and paste, then edit and repost it. Pretty easy to do I think.

ES

[Gualtier Malde]

Hi all,

I will add a Takeout section to my Guide. However, I'm no takeout expert, so I'm soliciting your help. Here's what I'd like: Please PM me with your actual takeout experiences with the following information: Company, contact info if available, price paid, service rendered, and a subjective rating: bad, fair, good, great, fabulous. Also include any tips you have learned regarding negotiation for takeout.

I'll distill the info into something that is a *general* recommendation on pricing and negotiation, and will make a set of recommendations for suggested services. I will not include all services, but will list at most three I think. I don't want to become a listing service, but rather a "tools" provider.

I will heavily bias reports toward those from senior members, and in particular from senior members who have had some decent exposure on the forum in terms of well written reports (not just solicitations for information).

And of course, if a takeout service wants me to directly sample their offerings for consideration, feel free to PM me!

David

[Gualtier Malde]

It goes without saying that if you prefer to post on the forum rather than PMing me the information, you'll not only make me but everyone else happy! I'll pick up the info whether you place it here or in a PM.

Thanks,

David


Hi all,

I will add a Takeout section to my Guide. However, I'm no takeout expert, so I'm soliciting your help. Here's what I'd like: Please PM me with your actual takeout experiences with the following information: Company, contact info if available, price paid, service rendered, and a subjective rating: bad, fair, good, great, fabulous. Also include any tips you have learned regarding negotiation for takeout.

I'll distill the info into something that is a *general* recommendation on pricing and negotiation, and will make a set of recommendations for suggested services. I will not include all services, but will list at most three I think. I don't want to become a listing service, but rather a "tools" provider.

I will heavily bias reports toward those from senior members, and in particular from senior members who have had some decent exposure on the forum in terms of well written reports (not just solicitations for information).

And of course, if a takeout service wants me to directly sample their offerings for consideration, feel free to PM me!

David

[DriftKing]

Hi,

Rigth now i'm in Shanghai only till Sunday looking for some1 to go KTV with as I don't know any Chinese. On business by myself and want to have a fun time before I go back to Australia.

I hope to hear form ISG people soon.

[Blacklisted]

And of course, as your partner in crime :), I'll be happy to offer my assistance (free of charge) as a sampler and reviewer of the aforementioned product. He he he ha ha ha! (evil laughter)

[Denis]

To answer Santa's pm, yes it can be addictive , In fact I went back to the village this afternoon!
I followed the recommendations and got good service for 150.
In the late evening I found a small SW just outside my hotel (Sheraton in Tai Ping Yang) negociated 200 for ST (I put pics in the section, but god she had a hairy pussy)
tomorrow I will be in Shenzhen
DEnis

[Ace Gallant]

Guys,

I need to adress of Skyline Sauna.

Thank you in advance.

Hello, this is sex helpline.
Search the thread for Skyline
Answer in #3945

[Ace Gallant]

And of course, as your partner in crime :), I'll be happy to offer my assistance (free of charge) as a sampler and reviewer of the aforementioned product. He he he ha ha ha! (evil laughter)

So what does that made us? A Syndicate?

Enjoy!
AG

[Cabbage]

On ISG's advice, spent some time at the Shanghai Hotel this afternoon, and have to add my recommendation to all those who came before. I've given up on all the barbershops in my area (Nanjing lu, plaza 66 area), and have only tried Skyline a couple times before. Compared to the barbershops, Skyline was luxury, and compared to Skyline, SH was perfect. Nice facilities - showers, sauna, etc. - and then a very impressive line-up to pick from this afternoon. There must have been 20 girls in the room, any of them a winner compared to my last couple times at Skyline. The girl I took was absolutely gorgeous, enthusiastic and a great fuck. Didn't get up on the ropes, but it doesn't do a hell of alot for me anyway, so no loss. Tall, slender, with a young body and old tricks. Can't remember her name, which is just as well - there were 19 others left to to try also.

A little pricier, at 750, but worth it - count me as a con(per)vert.

No new info but another recommendation.

Shanghai Hotel

Urumqi Lu and Huashan Lu, Jing An District.

[Squib Boy]

Is the BATS bar still a decent place to find some local action? I will be visiting Shanghai next month and turns out I will be staying at the Shangri-La, so if good talent can be found at BATS that would be very convenient for me!

[Dog Day]

well...had two nights of a three-some..and a nght with a fujian xiao jie..
this is draining my energy..and my pussy allowance.
Now I know why some people blow themselves up for 21 virgins..a three-some with young, sexy, sweet girls is just pure EXTASY! and I can say, two horny girls in bed is enough for a night....my ageing heart can only take so much pressure...specially my age is bigger than the two girls ages put together..
see pics..

[Salaryman]

fellow mongers,

i was in shanghai the last few days and decided to use dragon d's service. called dd and he came round in a taxi so off we went to this place (a bit far from my centrally located hotel) to find the girls. when we arrived, i stayed in the taxi and paid him 75% upfront and he went in the village?? and came out with a petite lady. she looked fine to me so off we went (only me and the girl) back to the hotel. as i was staying at a 5-star hotel so i was a bit worried that there might be some problem with the hotel security when i brought the girl back to my hotel. it was well past 1:00 am. fortunately, no problem from the hotel. i think the security guy probably pretended that he didn't see us walking in. my lady told me she was 21 (but i think she might be younger but not ****). she was supposed to stay till 6:00 am but after i scored twice, she kept asking all the time could she go home which was a bit of a turn off. not very gfe, i had to say. i managed to make her stay at the end till 5:30 am in the morning citing that i was concerned her safety if she left in the dark.

another night i went to try the sauna service at the shanghai hotel by myself and i had to admit i quite liked the service (the red rope was fantastic) even though it's a bit pricy. after shanghai hotel (still a bit horny), i met a tout outside who got me to one of those ktv places to pick up some girls for take-out. it was around 12:30 am. this was a big mistake. i have already read other mongers' stories and warnings about the ktv scamp but for some reasons (may be lust) my mind wasn't thinking properly so the tout and i got on a taxi to this ktv place (i think it's near the bund area) and went to one of the rooms to see the line up of girls. there were some stunners there and i was quite careful not to take anything they offered like drinks and fruit platter, etc. eventually i had the selection and wanted to leave. all this lasted for less than 10 minutes. the rest was familiar story. the manager then came with a bill and wanted to charge me rmb 750 but of course i refused to pay. after a bit of haggling, i eventually paid them rmb 400 as i was on my own and they had all the staff surrounding me. the girl i picked i had to pay her as well (rmb 200) in the room before i left the room thinking she would come to my hotel after she was off at 2:30 am. of course, she didn't turn up. so the total cost for this lesson for me was rmb 600 which i could have easily go for some sw.

so my fellow mongers, never never went with or even talk to a tout!!

happy mongering,

sm

[Gualtier Malde]

totally agree about the touts. to learn more about getting pussy in shanghai, see report 4772.

frankly, i do not see the distinction between your description of dragon's service and the tout's service. given the prices he charges, you got taken just the same as if you had gone with a tout on the street. and you paid him money up front!

never pay up front. never pay up front. pay the *girl* when the service has been satisfactorily completed.

david


fellow mongers,

i was in shanghai the last few days and decided to use dragon d's service. called dd and he came round in a taxi so off we went to this place (a bit far from my centrally located hotel) to find the girls. when we arrived, i stayed in the taxi and paid him 75% upfront and he went in the village?? and came out with a petite lady. she looked fine to me so off we went (only me and the girl) back to the hotel. as i was staying at a 5-star hotel so i was a bit worried that there might be some problem with the hotel security when i brought the girl back to my hotel. it was well past 1:00 am. fortunately, no problem from the hotel. i think the security guy probably pretended that he didn't see us walking in. my lady told me she was 21 (but i think she might be younger but not ****). she was supposed to stay till 6:00 am but after i scored twice, she kept asking all the time could she go home which was a bit of a turn off. not very gfe, i had to say. i managed to make her stay at the end till 5:30 am in the morning citing that i was concerned her safety if she left in the dark.

another night i went to try the sauna service at the shanghai hotel by myself and i had to admit i quite liked the service (the red rope was fantastic) even though it's a bit pricy. after shanghai hotel (still a bit horny), i met a tout outside who got me to one of those ktv places to pick up some girls for take-out. it was around 12:30 am. this was a big mistake. i have already read other mongers' stories and warnings about the ktv scamp but for some reasons (may be lust) my mind wasn't thinking properly so the tout and i got on a taxi to this ktv place (i think it's near the bund area) and went to one of the rooms to see the line up of girls. there were some stunners there and i was quite careful not to take anything they offered like drinks and fruit platter, etc. eventually i had the selection and wanted to leave. all this lasted for less than 10 minutes. the rest was familiar story. the manager then came with a bill and wanted to charge me rmb 750 but of course i refused to pay. after a bit of haggling, i eventually paid them rmb 400 as i was on my own and they had all the staff surrounding me. the girl i picked i had to pay her as well (rmb 200) in the room before i left the room thinking she would come to my hotel after she was off at 2:30 am. of course, she didn't turn up. so the total cost for this lesson for me was rmb 600 which i could have easily go for some sw.

so my fellow mongers, never never went with or even talk to a tout!!

happy mongering,

sm

[Ebauche]

Is the BATS bar still a decent place to find some local action? I will be visiting Shanghai next month and turns out I will be staying at the Shangri-La, so if good talent can be found at BATS that would be very convenient for me!

Sure, if you like old and overpriced poon.

[R The Man]

Hey guys,

I'll be visiting your fair city next month and I have been reading the reports, including the marvelous #4772.

I won't have time to go mongering into the little nooks and crannies that you all love to find, so will probably just go to the Shanghai Hotel sauna, since it seems to be so well reviewed and easy for someone who does not speak Chinese. I assume it is the one in the Jin An district.

I just wondered if there were any other hotels that had good FS saunas, with the red rope treatment? Maybe a "higher class" hotel?

Thanks, and I'll post a review afterwards.

MI.

[PassinThrough]

Hey guys,

I'll be visiting your fair city next month and I have been reading the reports, including the marvelous #4772.

I won't have time to go mongering into the little nooks and crannies that you all love to find, so will probably just go to the Shanghai Hotel sauna, since it seems to be so well reviewed and easy for someone who does not speak Chinese. I assume it is the one in the Jin An district.

I just wondered if there were any other hotels that had good FS saunas, with the red rope treatment? Maybe a "higher class" hotel?

Thanks, and I'll post a review afterwards.

MI.


There are plenty of Hotel Saunas in Shanghai that offer Full Service. I would recommend you do a search of the forum for "Sauna" and read the reports. A couple of them are Yu Ping in Puxi and Purple Mountain in PuDong.

PIT

[Gualtier Malde]

I don't think you'll find "higher class" hotels with this service. Not that there's anything particularly wrong with the Shanghai Hotel. It is more like a 3 star, certainly not a 4 or 5 star. When you get to 4-5 stars, the spas tend to get legit and charge high prices for legal services. (Others can chime in with better info though.)

I think the ones listed in 4772, plus Waves (search for an address, I don't have it handy) are probably your best choices.

Shanghai Hotel is indeed in the Jing An district, on Urumuqi Rd, a block off Yan An Road. It is on the same block as the Hilton, but west, so it is "behind" the Hilton. Shanghai Hotel spa is no easier than any other of the red rope spas. But follow the directions in any of them, you don't really need english.

David


Hey guys,

I'll be visiting your fair city next month and I have been reading the reports, including the marvelous #4772.

I won't have time to go mongering into the little nooks and crannies that you all love to find, so will probably just go to the Shanghai Hotel sauna, since it seems to be so well reviewed and easy for someone who does not speak Chinese. I assume it is the one in the Jin An district.

I just wondered if there were any other hotels that had good FS saunas, with the red rope treatment? Maybe a "higher class" hotel?

Thanks, and I'll post a review afterwards.

MI.

[Hong Kong Boy]

Hi,

I try to search Four Seasons Hotel in Shanghai but everything with Hotel on it show up. What did I do wrong?

[Ace Gallant]

Somebody asked for addresses:

Wave Sauna:

Conch Hotel (Hai Luo Bing Guan),
1281 Zhong Shan Xi Lu
Hong Qiao

Yu Ping:

Yu Ping Hotel
448 Zun Yi Lu
HongQiao

[Gualtier Malde]

Try "Four Seasons" in the search box (WITH the quote marks) instead. By default, if you just type Four Seasons Hotel, without quotes, you will get every post with "four", "seasons", and "hotel" (in other words, by default the search is an OR function of the words typed.

I suggest not including the word "Hotel" in your search at all, because when many folks discuss the hotel, they just say things like "the Four Seasons", rather than using the word "Hotel".

Good luck! The search I suggest provides plenty of information related to the Four Seasons. However, don't expect a red rope spa, or cheap ladies in the bar! For that, grab a cab.

David

ps: And thus concludes my 200th post!



Hi,

I try to search Four Seasons Hotel in Shanghai but everything with Hotel on it show up. What did I do wrong?

[Diamond Head]

If one is looking for a relatively inexpensive sauna experience near Nanjing Lu and the Waitan try the Yangtze Hotel behind the church on Tibet Road at Hankou Lu. Small personal place just off the lobby, not deluxe by any means but the prices are right. I had a 90 minute oil massage for 250 and an hj for 200 additional, hung around for a couple hours watching Chinese soaps, very relaxing. For downtown Shanghai I think that's a reasonable price. The next night I invited a foot massage girl I met down Hankou Lu in her parlor up to my room at the Yangtze. She gave me a great oil treatment for can't remember with an hj thrown in for 200. Very hot, balcony door open listening to the street noises while being treated so well. By the way, it may be more accurate to say the Shanghai Hotel is around the corner from the Equatorial Hotel on Yannan Road. The Equatorial massage department by the way appears strictly vegetarian. If you go there don't get the "Korean Massage" which they recommended. Must be North Korean, very painful.

[Dragon D]

Well DavidXYZ decided to say that I am here to take you all to the cleaners. To be honest I am here to make some play money as my salary is fairly high. The other reason is many fellow mongers don't have the Shanghai lingo down and they are in town for a couple of days and don't speak the language or don't have time to go hunting. I pick up the client, take them to various locations based on what they want and if they need deliver the girl past guards to their room before I leave. I collect in advance so they don't get screwed by the girl. Everyone is happy. I offer safety and peace of mind so our fellow mongers get a good experience. Granted I can't be 100% for the girls service, but I try my best and if the girl doesn't perform, next time you come back I promise to make it up to you.

To confirm, I am not a local chinese tout. I am a Lao Wai from north america that speaks Chinese. So I WILL NOT screw you. We are here to protect each other because we are outsiders in this country.

Sorry for the rant, but that is my 2 cents.

[Hong Kong Boy]

Thanks David xyzzy 1. I put "four seasons' on the search box and click advanced search but only your post and East China-YIWU show . I'm pretty sure someone put a post on Four Seasons in Shanghai,because I read the almost everyday! Maybe I just find out when I get there on April 14.

[Blacklisted]

Well DavidXYZ decided to say that I am here to take you all to the cleaners. To be honest I am here to make some play money as my salary is fairly high. The other reason is many fellow mongers don't have the Shanghai lingo down and they are in town for a couple of days and don't speak the language or don't have time to go hunting. I pick up the client, take them to various locations based on what they want and if they need deliver the girl past guards to their room before I leave. I collect in advance so they don't get screwed by the girl. Everyone is happy. I offer safety and peace of mind so our fellow mongers get a good experience. Granted I can't be 100% for the girls service, but I try my best and if the girl doesn't perform, next time you come back I promise to make it up to you.

To confirm, I am not a local chinese tout. I am a Lao Wai from north america that speaks Chinese. So I WILL NOT screw you. We are here to protect each other because we are outsiders in this country.

Sorry for the rant, but that is my 2 cents.

But Dave has a point. It's so easy to find action in Shanghai, especially for members of this board, but I guess, as you say, you provide a service that some may want so good luck to you.

Be careful though, I can't imagine what the LE would do to you if they found out what you're doing. Watch your back mate! You're a braver man than I, that's for sure!

[Ace Gallant]

Well DavidXYZ decided to say that I am here to take you all to the cleaners. To be honest I am here to make some play money as my salary is fairly high. The other reason is many fellow mongers don't have the Shanghai lingo down and they are in town for a couple of days and don't speak the language or don't have time to go hunting. I pick up the client, take them to various locations based on what they want and if they need deliver the girl past guards to their room before I leave. I collect in advance so they don't get screwed by the girl. Everyone is happy. I offer safety and peace of mind so our fellow mongers get a good experience. Granted I can't be 100% for the girls service, but I try my best and if the girl doesn't perform, next time you come back I promise to make it up to you.

To confirm, I am not a local chinese tout. I am a Lao Wai from north america that speaks Chinese. So I WILL NOT screw you. We are here to protect each other because we are outsiders in this country.

Sorry for the rant, but that is my 2 cents.

Dragon, Now you are begining to sounds more like your are advertising for yourself...

Anyways...appreciate you offering help to fellow members but most of us member help each other out without thoughts of getting any returns. In other ways, fellows members tent return the favor by buying each other beers and have fun time together by sharing information.

I understand the fact that sometimes in helping like getting VISA though connections need some extra money to be pass around and even some times we need to "buy" favors from security guards etc....

As Tripper said, you better watch your back as you never know who is reading this forum. We all want everybody to be safe and happy mongering. We all share the same hobby and of course most important is to watch out for each others in doing so.

IMHO:

Been able to speak local language has the advantage and I had been asked many times to pimp out my freebies but had turn all of them down as I am not into making money (whether for extra fun or for keep) from fellow friends. If it is a business transactions, than fine, everyone have to make their living. But if it is between fellow members, I choose to accept nothing at all, or at the most buy me a beer!

It's Friday night! Happy mongering!

AG

[Gualtier Malde]

Try "Four Seasons" instead of "four seasons". C'mon, it ain't that hard! :-)

David


Thanks David xyzzy 1. I put "four seasons' on the search box and click advanced search but only your post and East China-YIWU show . I'm pretty sure someone put a post on Four Seasons in Shanghai,because I read the almost everyday! Maybe I just find out when I get there on April 14.

[Gualtier Malde]

Dragon D,

You are trying to make a business out of what we've all been doing for each other for free. You charge your clients at least double what they would pay if they just read the forum and do it themselves. I don't speak Chinese, other than a few useless phrases, and have no problem getting what I want in China, at much much lower prices. It just ain't that hard.

If you focused on being a contributing, helpful member rather than seeing this forum as a money making opportunity maybe you'd understand. For the rest of the membership, you are welcome to join us for free at the Shanghai "Bat Cave", have a beer, and head out for a night of mongering, where the only money goes to the pleasure providers and taxi drivers.

If you feel you must pay Dragon D, feel free, but it just ain't ISG culture. Dragon D may not wish to accept it, but what he is doing, my friends, in any other context is called being a tout.

David


Well DavidXYZ decided to say that I am here to take you all to the cleaners. To be honest I am here to make some play money as my salary is fairly high. The other reason is many fellow mongers don't have the Shanghai lingo down and they are in town for a couple of days and don't speak the language or don't have time to go hunting. I pick up the client, take them to various locations based on what they want and if they need deliver the girl past guards to their room before I leave. I collect in advance so they don't get screwed by the girl. Everyone is happy. I offer safety and peace of mind so our fellow mongers get a good experience. Granted I can't be 100% for the girls service, but I try my best and if the girl doesn't perform, next time you come back I promise to make it up to you.

To confirm, I am not a local chinese tout. I am a Lao Wai from north america that speaks Chinese. So I WILL NOT screw you. We are here to protect each other because we are outsiders in this country.

Sorry for the rant, but that is my 2 cents.

[Santa]

I agree with David, Tripper and Asian Gambler.

I thought the purpose of this forum is to "exchange FREE information" about where to find pussy. If Dragon D is selling pussy, then he is pimping pussy. So, he is a tout!

If another member shows you around town, and you in turn treat him to a free fuck, or buy him dinner and beer as a sign of friendship and appreciation, well, that's one thing. But, to actively use this forum to take a commission on the sale of pussy, well, I don't care for that.

It seemed to me that Dragon D started out by selling visa services, like a travel agent, and I thought that was ok. Is this an example of "bait and switch"?

If it is OK for Dragon D to make a commission, then maybe WE should also start doing it. Why give out free information?!

[Santa]

Here's some chinese for my friend David xyz.

Who blows shit? Shei2 feng1pi4 le?

True stink! Zhen1 chou4!

[Ace Gallant]

Mock A Bee (Beijing Board) and I made a trip down South this week.

I had met up with Cronin and Old Asia Hand while down there. Great hanging out with them as we made our way to NanSha... for Farmgirls! => (A separate report on this)

Its been a great trip and during this 5 days trip I had done total of 14 girls. Out of these 14, there are at least 50% of them are farmgirls type, student type, KTV Pros, SWs, etc.

They all have one thing in common; they are not as urbanized as girls in Shanghai. A lot of them offers much more GFE than what you get in Shanghai.

The price are about the same but the service is just different!

Will make separate report when I find time, as it is Friday night! What the hell am I doing in front of the keyboard???

Enjoy!
AG

[Dragon D]

Heya all,

I know where you are coming from and understand the culture of ISG. I have been out just for fun and share information with lots of people. The services I offer are for those who need help. I am not advertising my services as that is what the classified section is for and as all can see that is where my post is.

For the visa services, I still offer that service if people need it. Again please see the classifieds. I am more of a resource guide which includes a tour guide, translator, and pimp in one for people who need my services not only for fun but for serious work too. Sorry if I have offended anyone.

[Albert Punter]

- The purpose of this website is to help others but not as you intend to do.

- You are a tout, not local as you say ("I am not a local chinese tout. I am a Lao Wai"), but still a tout.

- I do not understand why you look for money as your "salary is fairly high", and not just for a simple beer.

- Probably inexperienced mongers can do by themselves as we did some time ago, i.e. reading/PM/meeting with other members of this website.

[Picaresco03]

Shanghai expert coul you share with me info regarding the Full serice BS shops closest to Xintiandi?

Thanks

[Blacklisted]

Shanghai expert coul you share with me info regarding the Full serice BS shops closest to Xintiandi?

Thanks


I'm sorry, all our lines are currently busy... Please hold...

Welcome back.

Please listen carefully then make your selection after the tone:

For BBS dial 1,
For KTV dial 2,
For SW dial 3,
For sauna, dial 4.

1-'beeep'

Please state the area in which you would like to find a BBS, now.

Xintiandi

For BBS in Xintiandi, walk down huangpi lu in a southerly direction after 6pm. You will find an array of BBS around Xujiahui lu and farther south in the following block. Expect to pay around 200 to 300 RMB depending on your negotiation skills as this region caters to the high-end punter with very little street knowledge. FS is also reasonably difficult to find, although not impossible in this region. Happy hunting, and by the way, never, ever pay more that 50 RMB for a HJ.

Please avoid scams at all costs, and stay away from touts.

Thankyou and please call again.

[Ace Gallant]

I'm sorry, all our lines are currently busy... Please hold...

Welcome back.

Please listen carefully then make your selection after the tone:

For BBS dial 1,
For KTV dial 2,
For SW dial 3,
For sauna, dial 4.

1-'beeep'

Please state the area in which you would like to find a BBS, now.

Xintiandi

For BBS in Xintiandi, walk down huangpi lu in a southerly direction after 6pm. You will find an array of BBS around Xujiahui lu and farther south in the following block. Expect to pay around 200 to 300 RMB depending on your negotiation skills as this region caters to the high-end punter with very little street knowledge. FS is also reasonably difficult to find, although not impossible in this region. Happy hunting, and by the way, never, ever pay more that 50 RMB for a HJ.

Please avoid scams at all costs, and stay away from touts.



Beep!
Please dial
1 if you want to return to the main menu,
2 if you need help on how to search the forum
3 if you are a complete idiot and need a hands holding help
4 if you are too lazy to do anything else need someone to unzip your pants and put your dick in for you.

#3

Please dial
1 if you want a local tout
2 if you want a overseas tout
3 if you still think you have too much money and do not mind sharing with anyone.
4 to return to the main menu
5 to end this call

#5

Thank you for using mongering helpdesk. Your call is 1 mins 23 secs. The charges will be bill to your mobile. Have a nice fucking day.

[Hong Kong Boy]

XYZZY1,

Just find the thread Thank-you very much !

[Blacklisted]

D.R.A.G.O.N. D

I don't know what you heard about me
But a ***** can't get a dollar out of me
No Cadillac, no perms, you can't see
That I'm motherfucking Dragon D

I'm bout my money you see, girl you can holla at me
If you fucking with me, I'm a P-I-M-P
Not what you see on TV, no Cadillac, no greasy
Head full of hair, ***** I'm DRAGON D
Come get money with me, if you curious to see
how it feels to be with a P-I-M-P
Roll in the Taxi with me, you could watch TV
From the backseat of my V, I'm a P-I-M-P
Girl we could pop some bai jiu and we could have a ball
We could toast to the good life, girl we could have it all
We could hit the village girl, and tear up the mall
If ever you needed someone, I'm the one you should call
I'll be there to pick you up, if ever you should fall
If you got problems, I can solve'em, they big or they small
That other lao wai you be with ain't bout shit
I'm your friend, your father, and confidant, *****

[Chorus]

I told you fools before, I stay with the tools
I keep a Benz, some rims, and some jewels
I holla at a hoe til I got a ***** confused
She got on Payless, me I got on gator shoes
I'm shopping at Xiang Yang, in the summer they cheaper
Man this hoe you can have her, when I'm done I ain't gon keep her
Man, bitches come and go, every lao wai pimpin know
You saying it's secret, but you ain't gotta keep it on the low
***** choose with me, I'll have you stripping in the street
Put my other hoes down, you get your ass beat
Now Nik my bottom *****, she always come up with my bread
The last lao wai she was with put stitches in her head
Get your hoe out of pocket, I'll put a charge on a *****
Cause I need 4 TVs and AMGs for the six
Hoe make a pimp rich, I ain't paying *****
Catch a date, suck a dick, shiiit, TRICK

[Chorus]

Yeah, in Hollywood they say there's no b'ness like show b'ness
In the village they say, there's no b'ness like hoe b'ness ya know
They say I talk a lil fast, but if you listen a lil faster
I ain't got to slow down for you to catch up, *****





I know, I've got too much time on my hands. Sorry Dragon, I'm bored! No harm intended, just a few laughs for the brotherhood!

[Dragon D]

Hey Tripper,

If you put music to it, i'll consider making it my ring tone. I kinda like it. Being the first lao provider I kind of half expected to get heat. Well, cest la vie.

One idea I have had to resolve our differences is we start a ISG porn club for shanghai where we can have monthly meetings and network as a group to pool our resouces and get the most bang for our buck. Excuse the pun. We could also have theme months for example this month we could try filming our own ISG porn movie.

Santa seems to be good with the camera so now we need the male actor and a script. Anyone interested? I am sure between all of us experts, finding the female actor won't be a problem.

ps: This is would be a non-profit gentlemans club having nothing to do with my other businesses.

[PassinThrough]

I hate to see people taking advantage of others on the board. We all voluntarily give away our knowledge and help for nothing in return. We hope the people we help with contribute and share their experiences and make the forum better.

Trying to make a buck off of it is wrong and goes against the spirit of the forum. I have to agree with Santa that this smells like an online tout to me.

Just my 3 RMB

PIT

[Santa]

There are of course lots of pimps in China, small rookies (beginners) and bigtime daddys. Some work the streets, while others own luxurious parlours and gambling joints. Some work the internet. It's a dangerous business, and to avoid trouble (kun4nan) you need protection (bao3hu4) and connections (guan1xi). Baohufei = protection money.

If Dragon D wants to pursue a career as China's first laowai pimp, that's up to him. Plenty of job opportunities in Shanghai! Good luck to him. None of my concern. But I think he should remember Tripper's warning, "watch your back!"

It seems that Dragon gets the girl from another pimp, so your payment is divided three ways.

I think the forum administration is aware of the situation, so if Jackson allows Dragon to solicit customers from the forum, well that's none of my business either. Not my forum.

However, I don't like to see the forum being used for solicitation.

We all know that the world of prostitution has lots of crime and abuse, for that reason I think it's best to try dealing directly with the girls. However, since it is not safe or nice for the girls to be on the street, they usually work out of various establishments or venues. I think it is best to select your venue accordingly, where you think the girls are treated ok. I prefer those that are operated by friendly mamas.

Hey Tripper, cool song dude! Have you considered a career in Hollywood?

PS. I emptied my mailbox.

[Ace Gallant]

Hey Tripper,

If you put music to it, i'll consider making it my ring tone. I kinda like it. Being the first lao provider I kind of half expected to get heat. Well, cest la vie.

One idea I have had to resolve our differences is we start a ISG porn club for shanghai where we can have monthly meetings and network as a group to pool our resouces and get the most bang for our buck. Excuse the pun. We could also have theme months for example this month we could try filming our own ISG porn movie.

Santa seems to be good with the camera so now we need the male actor and a script. Anyone interested? I am sure between all of us experts, finding the female actor won't be a problem.

ps: This is would be a non-profit gentlemans club having nothing to do with my other businesses.

Dragon D,

We had already formed a ISG Shanghai Brotherhood, we meet regularly every weekends. The part about porn; I think some people prefer to have mongering activities in private and therefore we got to respect their needs for privacy.

Porn movies? What can be worst? Sounds like those old days in Taiwan where you go to the brothel, buy a girl, do your stuff and ended up been black mail the next day because you had secretly been filmed. You do not want to do that! We are mongers not professional porn movies actors. We do mind if we get filmed while we are doing a girl or doing many girls!

AG

[OldAsiaHand]

Dragon D,

First of all, if you are really N. American, you are a disgrace preying on fellow foreigners in China.

Second, if you want to promote a service, post it on the Classified Ads thread and not on this thread.

And finally, I concur with the consensus of opinion here. The purpose of this forum is to share the information for free, not make money at it.

I show guys around my turf all the time and never even thought about making any money off them. In fact, I make sure that they do not get ripped off, pay too much, etc. In return, they reciprocate when I visit their turf. This is how it works!

Take your business elsewhere.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Cebu Local]

Dragon,Personally Why not become like Jakarta after Dark on the Indonesian board,He is tagged as an adveriser and is accepted as such on the Indonesian board.Cheers

[Dragon D]

Wow.. interesting replies. I started out in the classified section and never have advertisied in the Shanghai section. I offer services here in Shanghai and as such it is not cheap. Sorry if some senior posters are so objected by my line of work. I don't force anything on anyone, just deal with people who wish to contact me. I also don't spam anyone on this board, so please don't insult me. As for the club that is around, cool, would like to join in for some fun sometime if you guys will have me.

To be honest people that contact me, don't have the time to hunt or meet people, they are just business people or they are on a fun tour for a day or two. Just providing a way for these people who aren't Shanghai old school to enjoy the most in the shortest time. So again, sorry if I have insulted anyone and I hope we can all just get along.

Cheers All

[Santa]

I want to thank you and KIng Cronin for showing me around in Guangzhou.

Makes me proud to have american friends.

Just my POV.

Santa


Dragon D,

First of all, if you are really N. American, you are a disgrace preying on fellow foreigners in China.

Second, if you want to promote a service, post it on the Classified Ads thread and not on this thread.

And finally, I concur with the consensus of opinion here. The purpose of this forum is to share the information for free, not make money at it.

I show guys around my turf all the time and never even thought about making any money off them. In fact, I make sure that they do not get ripped off, pay too much, etc. In return, they reciprocate when I visit their turf. This is how it works!

Take your business elsewhere.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Oscar Maradona]

shanghai is a place that is notably on the world radar now as far as travel destinations go, so, here is sauna report, mixed in with a small of a list of places to go while entertaining visiting, non-monger guests, and some do's and don’ts pointers. i have no affiliation with any of the establishments mentioned here, other than being a customer.

do bring your guests to zapatas on wednesday, ladies margarita night for an evening of dancing and fun with an expat crowd interspersed with ladies who are pros, semi-pros, or just plain normal, non-working women. if you can’t determine whether a lady is on the program or not, refer to david’s fantastic post of distinction #4772. i did, and it hasn’t got me slapped yet. don’t let your male guests/visitors dance on the bar though -- unless it’s some kind of live sex performance, guys dancing on bars is just plain wrong.

do bring your visitors to the jw mariott to enjoy the views and martini buffet on the 40th floor. don’t go there everyday, you’ll develop a drinking/hearing/speaking problem. also, don’t feel it necessary to drink as many martinis as you can before the 7:30pm buffet ends, especially if you showed up at 7:00pm -- you can do a lot of damage in 30 minutes.

do try the japanese chain restaurant uminosachi because the quality of the sushi, tempura, scallops, prawns is better than expected at an all you can eat japanese food place. don’t order too much at once, because they will bring it all at the same time, and you’ll have no room on the table for the bottles of beer, sake, shochu, and ume that are also part of the buffet (yes, it’s all you can drink as well).

so my visiting friends left town on sunday morning, and after the week long bender i thought it would be a very good thing to check into the betty ford at da tang yu jing sauna for a bit of detox, crushed iced up the butt, and whatever else.

it was a pleasant, spring day sunday in shanghai -- sunny without haze, and a coolish breeze. and by 3:30pm i was a bit anxious to go get my oil changed. i put the brakes on when i arrived at da tang yu jing (my second time there) because it was still daylight and i could see there is a golf center/driving range right across the street from the spa.

the driving rage fees are rmb20 for non-member walk-in; rmb20 for a box of 40 balls; and rmb20 per rental club. i spent rmb100 to use their 5 wood and 3 iron to hit 2 boxes of balls. their drivers were being used. there is also a driving range out at the base of the jin mao tower in pudong, but i haven’t been there and do not know their prices. anyways, it was a relaxing way to kill some time before nutting. heh. i walked across the street to da tang yu jing, it was about 5:00pm.

i wrote about my past experience at da tang yu jing in post #4891, and was happy to return. very much the same routine for me: veg out in the bacteria pool for a an hour, then into the hotbox sauna, veg out some more. fight off the exfoliator guy that tripper wrote about in his very entertaining post #4924. well, not literally fight off, he gets the message after you say “no, bu yao” about 10 times.

shower (again) dry off, change into their pajama thing and sit in the “honored guests” section of vip rooms. the same hosts enters the room and asks “ampai”, smiling as he points at the ceiling and makes a circle-spin motion with his finger (language issues easily overcome).

“yes, dui, hao...” i agreed. but this time i added in broken mandarin that i also would like some thailand-style massage where the girl basically oils up and massages you with her body. he didn’t really understand, but it wasn’t a problem because i remember from last time here that the girl massages you with her nipples, at least. ok, so he comes back a minute later with a selection of 3 lovelies and they each say their name and do a pretty bow and smile and spin so you can see them 360. their names all have “xiao, and hua” like “little flower” or some variation. ok, i chose the slender number 868 and we walked to the room.

side note about hair.
when i was in high school (vancouver), some girl explained to me why chinese girls are so popular “perfect triangle mini-patch”. well, i hadn’t been with a chinese girl at that point, and couldn’t really comment, but *did* agree that all the other girls i was with in high school (mid 80’s, pre-brazilian wax craze) had crazy, hairy, wild, jungle-bush and i was generally getting high marks with my dentist/orthodontist for my flossing technique, even with braces!

ok, eventually, i did get with a chinese girl, and it was great, she had this natural landing strip which was just awesome. i liked it so much we got into a relationship. one little problem, however, she was jealous as hell, and one afternoon she found some redhead pubes in my bed (heh, oops). “umm, no, erm, really, they’re my buddies armpit hairs. yeah, i let him crash in my bed... umm, what? what come stains?”.

anyways, i like girls with little or no hair now.

since then, i’ve learned a few things: chinese girls can be hairy as chewbacca (insert wookie sound here).

most recently, asian gambler suggested to me that the hairiest chinese girls are also the most horny (testosterone), which i can believe, but doesn’t change my preference, and, should we meet, you will probably hear me rant about the wonders of brazil --a wax-job so great, they named a country after it.

back to sunday, getting naked in shanghai. well, i was thrilled to see that the lovely number 868 was almost hairless, with a perfect little mini-tuft triangle, and all my pubescent, high school fantasies (not to be misinterpreted as kiddie molester) were suddenly rekindled, low-and-behold, i was feeling decades younger.

she motioned me to roll over, so i did, and put my face in the cutout area of the massage bed. she started with exactly the type of thai-style body massage that i was trying to explain to the host guy earlier in the waiting room. she worked all up and down my back and legs, her body all lathered up with some kind of oily good stuff. yeah! what a great big mess!

next came the sucky sucky fire ice water trick along the back again. blissful, and i was anticipating the next part, you know, where she jams the crushed ice up my ass with her tongue. yeah, well, i was laughing to myself because of my previous experience here with the ice surprise, and i think she mistook it for pleasure. i couldn’t really tell, but she stopped with the ice, and then i could hear her fishing around her mini-bag. hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, fiddle fiddle, then with a triumphant “a hah!” i heard some kind of plastic being unwrapped. oh no!!!! then a click and buzz... wahhhhh! oh jeeez, i'm about to be violated, again! and she seemed so harmless...

not one to ruin a moment of intimacy, i went along, gritting my teeth and shaking my head. the whole time i thought to myself in a panic “hmm, having this thing buzzing around in my ass, with some crushed ice in there for good measure isn’t exactly getting me off, but i sure as hell feel like taking a great big shit.” and when she began to pull the thing, whatever it was, out of my ass, i was really concerned about completely ruining that private moment of intimacy that we were sharing by releasing the mother of all shits on the walls, bed, her, whatever... i mean jeeeesus, what a disaster! things were going so well. my high school flashback was turning into a giant, shit-covered nightmare.

i think she could sense my concern, and she reached under to find that my woody had all but disappeared. so she asked me to turn over and i was relieved to see no traces of shit anywhere, and we got on to some more thai-style body massage on the front side and all was good again. phew.

she got me hard, bbbj, and then prepared the red rope. number 868 was simply magnificent with the rope, i mean she really got herself to spin, a lot, then the re-coil spin in the opposite direction -- wow, excellent! perhaps red rope gymnastics should be china’s experimental sport during the ‘08 olympics.

she re-adjusted the rope and used it as a harness and lowered herself onto my rod. yay! then off the rope, tried standing, but my legs were a bit weak, doggie, cowgirl, then missionary and i nutted. yay! cleaned up, and i motioned her for daty which she was reluctant at first to do, but i couldn’t resist because of my perversion/aversion/whatever to hair.

ok, happy happy, all is good and we part ways. back to the vip room, different one from before. i fell asleep in the recliner chair, woke up at 8:00pm and asked for a foot massage. i was hoping number 187 was there because of the great job and attitude she had last time. but she was not available, interestingly enough, i was serviced by number 186 who was also good, proficient, but not as magical on the feet and rod as number 187. no worries though, i nutted after an hour and we also had a good laugh afterwards.

i rolled out after 9:00pm all relaxed. total cost, rmb750.

on the way home (near xujihui) i saw billboards for this saturday’s rolling stones concert. the show is on april 8th at 7:30 pm at the shanghai indoor stadium and i live 3 blocks away. i called the info number and found that tickets start at rmb300 and go up to rmb3000. i planning on going to the show, and have decided to open up my place for a pre-post party for anyone else who is interested in going. just pm me for more info if you want to go to the show as a group.

all other details about this post follow below. again, i have no affliation with any of these businesses except that i am a customer:

zapatas - tex-mex bar 021 6433 4104 no. 5 hengshan lu, wed ladies night. fun.

jw mariott - the bluish star trek draconian-looking, pointy pyramid skyscraper, overlooking renmin people’s square. i think it is on nanjing xi lu. take the elevator to the 38th floor then switch to another elevator to the 40th floor. the cigar bar has daily all-you-can-drink martinis (60 different types) for rmb98 between 5:30-7:30pm. or 2-for-1 bar drinks, beer, until 9:00pm.

uminosachi japanese restaurants. 5 locations, i’ve been to 2. i like the xin le location. no 169 xin le road. 021 5403 0303 reservations recommended. open till 11:00pm. all you can eat and drink japanese food and alcohol. great quality sashimi, grilled skewers, tempura, shrimp, fancy looking place. per person rmb150 for standard menu, or rmb165 for special menu with fillet steak and scallops. i could stay there all night and have nothing but grilled shrimp on skewers and big bottles of asahi. good for the monger-protien-replenishment program.

da tang yu jing tel: 021 5422 4088 call and hand your phone to the taxi driver. it’s towards the hongqiao airport, and is across from a driving range.

rolling stones ticket info: 021 6481 2938 shaghai grand stage 1111 caoxi lu. (shanghai indoor stadium subway station). tickets rmb300-3000.

[Dog Day]

Pluto, great report...
I have lived in Shanghai quite a while but your report still made me feel great about what the city has to offer..

[Ace Gallant]

Great Report Pluto, should apply to Jackson about ugrading you to a Senior Member based on that good post.

AG

[Shkingpin]

Wow, I had not laughed so hard reading a report for a long time. it is indeed a great report Pluto. Can't wait to hear more from you in the future.

Cheers,

PF.

[Blacklisted]

Report of distinction and senior status nomination right here. Well written post Pluto! Loved it.

[Santa]

Maybe we could have the Red Rope Olympic Event at the Shanghai Stadium :D

[DayNight]

I was recently in SH, stayed in Chang Ning district in the JJ Inn.

http://www.jj-inn.com/chains_sh1.aspx?UnitId=009

Charge was 218. The room was quite good. The hotel is new and clean too. It's also a bit away from the Chang Ning Lu, means it's quite quiet for China standard. I can recommend it for those on a budged.

Unfortunately this hotel has no Sauna, and no massage service either. If you leave the hotel and turn left (away from Changning Rd) you will find a few BBS. They all do in-house. I found one shop which offered hotel visit (150), but the girls, or better mature ladies, where a bit over expiry date.

A very nice nearby road is opposite the hotel, the road parallel to Changhing Lu. Quite a short rd, still has about 10 or so BBS.

I opted there for a massage place (30), HJ was an extra 50, play pussy was then another 50. 130, not cheap, but still ok. Girl was nice too.

[Asiansing]

Yo, everybody, this is my first thread here, its nice to know that there are so many people out there looking for some old fashion fun.

Well, I am here to share a bit on the massage heaven I have been during Saturday night. I knoe that shanghai hotel spa has been well complimented here in the forum so I decided to try it out and WOW! I am not disappointed at all.

Very nice first time experience in shanghai's massage parlour. All the same old routine as you have in the other parlours where the only thing is that this place is clean. Well, perhaps it was a Saturday night (I went there around 8pm).

Before I was lead into the massage room, I was brought into another room where there were about 12 girls to choose from which half of them was a (6) 3 may be (7) and the rest a total knock out. Outside the rooms were 4 girls I would give a 10 to with tits of at least a C to D. But unfortunately, they were not in the room for me to choose from. DAMN IT.

In the end I got myself a girl from Jian Su. (a 8 from my preference). Did all the same as previously reported with the red string stunt etc. Wont go much into detail into it, guess you guys can use your immagination.

Over all was a fantastic experience. And would be going back there this weekend. Anybody intrested in joining mi.

By the way, I am alone here in shanghai and would love to go out mongering with any of you guys.

By the way, I am quite young in the age of 25 but love the hobby og mongering around shanghai but dun really like the idea of doing all this alone. By the way, I will be here for a very very long time so any body who comes to shanghai, feel free to look for mi k.

Anyway, I do speak Chinese and English. Thats enough for now, will post more often in the forum.

[Member #2341]

Hi,

I will coming to Shanghai next week.

Anyone care to have fun together?

Thanks

[Tony Soprano 1]

Greetings,

I paid a visit to the 2f sauna at the Shanghai hotel on Saturday night. (Hello Asiansing!). I got there about 10:00pm. After the shower and a short relax time I was lead down the halls to a room for the line up. I had about 15 or so girls to choose from. I would say that they ranged from 7+ to 10. Some of them were absolutely stunning! I did not know what one to choose. After picking my tongue up from the floor, I picked this one tall gorgeous girl with an outstanding rack and smoking body. I went with her down the hall to a nice room. It was the full treatment. Cat bath, AR, body on body with oil, fire and ice and then a trip onto the red rope treatment. This girl hung herself upside down and provided some acrobatic oral. They have a mirror on the ceiling so you could look at her or the reflection. Her technique was great and I was in danger of losing it before the main event, let me tell you she curled my toes.

On to the main event, many positions, first with the ropes than on the bed/table. This girl was incredibly hot and her service was not mechanical as can happen at these places and as others have reported. Upon completeion, she massaged me for about 15 minutes or so. The whole experience was top notch and I will soon return.

As for the facilities, everything was top notch and very clean. I have been to a few saunas, Yu Ping,the one on Hong Mei, and a few others and this one definitely had the hottest girls. BTW, the total damage was 750. Kind of pricey but I thought it was worth it.

I was the only Westerner there that I saw. Also, I do not speak but a few (and I do mean few) words of Mandarin and I did not have any problems at all here or any of the saunas. I will definitely return soon!

Cheers!

[Wonderer]

Hi Pluto, really an excellent report!

Actually I just came back from Shanghai and had also some experience there, which I would like to share.

I had read so many times good things in this thread about the Shanghai Hotel. So I decided last Monday night, April 3, 2006 to go there and try it out. However, when I came to the place around 11 PM, I was told that there was no massage (anymore). They would have organized one for me, had I been a staying guest. But since I was from external, staying at another hotel, there was no way. Despite some knowledge of Mandarin I could not get the reasons out of the mamasan. Has there been a crack-down? Had they just closed? Were all the girls busy in a room. The way, she explained or rather did not explain left some mixed feelings in me. Something must have been wrong. I always feel this when something is wrong with the Chinese and they do not want to tell the truth. Anyhow, she recommended me to come next time (whatever this might be), and gave me a mobile phone number to call first: 131-6606-3715. I will do so, when next time in Shanghai.

Nevertheless, the evening was still young, and I felt that special pressure between the legs. So I decided to go to a well known place, where I had been several times in the past: the Hengshan Hotel. Once again, it was a good experience. After the usual sauna and shower thing, and some relaxing, the girls lined up, and I decided for two Hunan beauties. Both were slim, one even a bit more. Both had beautiful tits, one even a bit more.

They gave me the 4-nipples-in-parallel-oil-body-massage, and it was great as usual. I find the foot massage with the nipples particularly exciting. After a while came then the fire-and-ice part with CBJ. They did it one after the other (of course with changing the cover). Next was that one licked my nipples, while the other one did it CG with me. After a while, however, I felt something strange, and after getting out, I found that the cover was broken. No good news, of course. This was the first time it happened to me in the Hengshan Hotel sauna.

I changed then to the other one, first, she did it also CG, then I did her standing in doggy style, while the first girl stood behind me and gave me a massage. Finally, I did the second girl on the massage table in missionary. After I came, we stayed together still a while. Then when getting out - no, shit, I don't believe it - again a broken cover. So I had unloaded my whole load into her, uncovered. To my surprise she did not care too much.

Then, we went all three of us to the bathroom, which was part of the massage room, respectively adjacent to it. There we had a nice threesome shower, with some massage again.

Back to the massage room, the two ladies gave me again a very relaxing massage.

The whole program was excellent, the girls really nice, and we had a lot of fun (mandarin helps). The only turn-off were the two broken covers. Total damage: 1200 Rmb for the two during about 90 minutes.

The following day, April 4, I decided to continue my exploratory trip in Shanghai. I was tempted between Skyline, Yu Ping Sauna, and some others I read about in this thread.

I finally decided to try my luck at Waves. Coming from Pudong, it was a long way, though with over 80 Rmb taxi fare. After a while, I found the 1281 Zhongshan Xi Lu place, just behind the Hailuo Binguan (part of the Conch Hotel chain). The taxi dropped me directly in front of the entrance, and I was called in by some people waiting.

First impression: clean, big, very good and polite service. This impression remained throughout the whole time there. I had a shower, sauna (they brought me a cold wet face towel, and some water to drink into the sauna! The sauna's front door is made of transparent glass, which makes is pretty unique. After another shower, I am guided upstairs to the VIP relax room. An organge juice and about 5 minutes to relax. Then I am called to the line-up. Among the five I decide for a Chongqing cutie with big tits and a rather robust rack. She seemed to be shy and did not want to look at me. Normally this would be an alarm signal, but this time I was sure it is going to be good.

Actually, she undressed immediately in the room and did not even dim the light - which I really appreciate, as I like to see my food. she licked my whole body from the legs to the top, and forth and back. She used some tea (hot) and sometimes some ice. After some additional cleaning, she even gave me DATO - an experience that I never had have before.

Then came the red rope trick. She was hanging upside down and gave me a BBBJ in this position. Later, she came down and continued with the BBBJ. Then she asked me to move over to the gynecology chair. She is lying in the chair, while I give her a DATY. I am pretty sure it was (one of) the first time(s) for her. She actually enjoyed it and became very, very wet. Even though she seemed to be afraid of European size, we finally had a very good and nice full meal deal. She became more and more relaxed, and got her part of the meal.

We stayed then a while like this, and then, reluctantly I got out. But this was not the end. She asked me back to the massage table and continued with a good massage.

All in all, a very nice experience, and the total damage of 650 Rmb for the at least 90 minutes was worth each and every mao.

For all those, who would like to go to waves in the future, but find it equally difficult to spot, I attach the business card and a simple map.

Wonderer, and happy hunting

[Blacklisted]

I had this problem once in LOS and after months of sweating it out, tests came back all negative which was a huge relief.

Ever since that time I have learnt a lesson and always, always carry a small tube of good quality lube. Sometimes the girls here don't have a clue what it is, because I brought it from home, although now I buy it here so it also has Chinese on it which helps lower the suspicion. I think many of them are used to guys trying to stick it up their arse when using lube, so they are a bit scared, but I find it useful for all kinds of work!!

Also, thanks Santa for pointing out the great Xiangjiao Qingdao report about the rip offs in China. Too many of us carry big wads of cash thinking it makes us more appealing to girls (which is true!), but which is very, very dangerous and an invitation to thugs, especially if mongering alone.

So to repeat his point, only carry what you need for the night, and don't bring any plastic cards.


Happy mongering!

[Asiansing]

Yo Wonderer,

Sorry to hear about your trip to shanghai hotel, i did not hear of any raid or anything from the girl i know who works there.

Business is as usual at the parlour so anyone who wants to try it out, try it out on a saturday as i hear from the girls there that saturday is a day where there are less customers, thus more FRESH and more girls to choose from.

I was there around 8pm and there was less then 7 customers so i almost have the whole place for myslef.

I too hooked up with a gal i got to know from the parlour who does only leg massage and of course, a hj. (NOTE, if ur doing leg massage and wans a hj, go behing to the private resting place instead of the open area) i would rate her about a 7.

On wednesday, she was having her off day thus she offered to hav dinner wif mi after my work. So i met up wif her and had some amazing korean BBQ at pudong. after the dinner, she came up to my place and did the deed. she stayed the whole night wif mi in my apartment which made mi so damn tired after all the work out that i hardly made it to work the next day.

I offered her some money but she rejected. I offered her the taxi fare back home (she lives in PuXi and i live in Pudong) but she too rejected it saying she wans to the the MRT home.

Guess I scored my first Freebie but hope that she wont be clinging onto me too much.

[Tony Soprano 1]

Hey Wonderer,

At the Shanghai Hotel, did you go to the 2nd or 3rd floor? When I went there last weekend, it was my first time and I mistakingly went to the 3rd floor massage place. The lady also refused me the massage. Bummed, I was on my way back down the elevator when I noticed the sauna is on the 2nd floor. The elevators show massage 3rd floor, sauna on 2nd. The sauna is what you want. That is all that is on the second floor. No Mamasan, just a reception area like a hotel. They took care of me right away.

FYI: The Shanghai sauna on the 2nd is open until 4:00AM

Cheers

[Albert Punter]

I had experienced this situation a couple of times.

Of course, other then bringing good quality lube, as suggested by Tripper, I would recommend to bring your own rubbers as well.

Then you will be sure about quality (and size).

[DayNight]

Condom Breakages
The problem is usually dryness. Get lube. If it's breaks and you think "AIDS" - keep cool!

Even if the girl a HIV positive, the female to male transmission is very inefficient and less then 1:1000

I would much worry about clap and all the other cureable stuff.....

[Blacklisted]

Condom Breakages
The problem is usually dryness. Get lube. If it's breaks and you think "AIDS" - keep cool!

Even if the girl a HIV positive, the female to male transmission is very inefficient and less then 1:1000

I would much worry about clap and all the other cureable stuff.....

That's just bullshit that condoms break because guy's dicks are too big. SAS use them for all sorts of military shit due to their strength. It's purely lack of moisture. It's only natural for girls getting paid not to be so 'turned on' by a john except in exceptional circumstances. That's the drawback you don't see with freebies and personally I miss that a bit. It's nice for the girls to get off as well, but rare in the China BBS and sauna scene.

[Ace Gallant]

That's just bullshit that condoms break because guy's dicks are too big. SAS use them for all sorts of military shit due to their strength. It's purely lack of moisture. It's only natural for girls getting paid not to be so 'turned on' by a john except in exceptional circumstances. That's the drawback you don't see with freebies and personally I miss that a bit. It's nice for the girls to get off as well, but rare in the China BBS and sauna scene.

Fully agree that condoms break is not because of size of the dick but mainly because lack of moisture. I had that experience manytime before as I am a guy who hump girl for at least 1 to 2 hours. And due to the lenght in time, the rubbers always dried up. Even the pussy juice is not good enough to last that long. So I will experience lots of breakage.

But my experience is that it will depends also on the brand of condoms. Durex the more expansive brand seems to last longer and is more reliable even when it is dry. while cheap ones (especially Made in China) breaks even if it is not fully dry out. So ...AP was right bring your own reliable ones.

By the way AIDS transmith only if there are traces of blood involved.

Be safe and Enjoy!
AG

[Asiansing]

Yoyoyo,

Going for some action at the Shanghai Hotel later tonight. Anyone interested?

I will be there around 8 plus to watch soccer and of course, the usual stuff you get.

Ha, ha.

[Santa]

What is the real reason Asian Gambler uses condoms and lasts so long???

He loves the smell of burning rubber! :D

Poor Santa shoots his load before he even gets the lady to the bed.
Dead on arrival! :(

[Asiansing]

YoYOYO, Hello out there. Mi just want to report on this place in PUDONG. As most of you guys out there should know, In pudong, its quite hard to find some real action unlike in PuXi where there are the pubs, bbs, spa etc. So any of you guys happen to find some nice place in Pudong, please do inform all of us k.

Well, recently going through the forum and saw one particular spa in Pudong where it is located in a office building (5th FLOOR) behind YOHAN. The building's name I think is Hua Shen da sha or something like that, if your going in the night, you wont miss it as it has a big sign outside the building. Its also near a night club which I have not tried since I am alone. REMEMBER, its behind YOHAN.

OK, this place is actualy quite clean so for those people who cant stand dirty, you can try it out. After the usual bath and the pyjamas, I was lead into a private room where your severed some drinks and (food only when you ask for it.) after a while the waiter asked what kind of service you would like and I opted for the full body massage.

After opting for the massage, I was lead into another room where my girl was already waiting. A 7 I think but (has armpit hairs which I dislike alot. Lucky I did not notice it after I was done or else.) well apart from the armpit HAIRS, the service was really damn good. Never had this kind of service in any of the parlours I been before. She praticaly licked my whole body from my left toe to my left ear and from my right ear to my right toe. Licked my ass like it was candy, stuff her tounge right into my ass. WOW. Haha

Anyway, I would rate the girls service here 10 out of 10. No red rope trick here though but I wouldn't mind at all. Love the service. Hate the armpit hairs haha. For those who are worried that they may encounter the same armpit problems, No worries, Not all the girls have them, I guess only she may has it haha since I did not see any other girls having them in the parlour.

Well, overall, the girls there I would give a 7 for average of them plus minus. The service I would give a 10 out of 10. Really damn good haha. Damge is 676 I think. Perhaps a few dollars difference. I was told before 7. 30, the price was 550 everything included. After that was the price I paid.

I was there on a Friday night. Not much people I could see (thats the way I like it so that the girls are more fresh and wet)

OKie Okie, thats my report.

[XXL]

Just for the sake of completeness and enlightenment: the use of lubricants other than water-based ones kike KY and durex-lube reduces condom strength by a high factor. Use baby oil or skin moisturizing cream on a condom and there are good chances it will rupture.

Air inside a condom is also a factor. Real pros know how to fit a condom by squeezing residual air out. I remember a girl in Lima (Peru) doing it so well it nearly felt like no condom at all. Such skill is rare though.

[Wonderer]

Hi all,

Many thanks for your replys to my report!

So, let me comment one after the other.

>> Asiansing, Tony Soprano: I went to the 3rd floor, as this was the one that was mentioned on the sign outside the hotel. Apparently, this was the mistake. So thanks for the hint to go to the 2nd floor. Will do so next time.

Condom breakages: Unfortunately, it is not the first time either that this happens to me. But at least I never had it so far twice on the same day. The reasons in the past were either too intensive playing or when the girl was too dry. So it happened to me once with my Thai girl friend many years ago, when we were just too excited. Another time, it happened with a SW from outside the HRC in Beijing. She was simply too dry, and none of my "tricks" worked. At that time, I did not have any cream available.

In my most recent case in Shanghai, I am afraid it was not that she was dry, but simply the lousy quality of the condom itself. Furthermore, and I did not realize that this is so dangerous, they put some oil (baby oil?) on my dick, and then later on, when they put the cover onto it, the oil must have been bad for the condom. Actually, they were both relatively wet, so lack of moisture was not the real problem.

I am not too much afraid of AIDS, as I am aware that the transmission rate is relatively low. On the other hand, the risk for all kinds of other diseases is there. I had once an issue with some bacteria that I contracted from a BBBJ in Thailand. I got a horrible, horrible urethritis after a BBBJ by a Thai girl. It was one of the most painful experiences, and I did not want to have any sex anymore. I could get rid of the thing only after about three weeks and after treatment with a lot of anti-biotics. I never wish anybody to have anything similar.

Since then I have well recovered and am back to the hunting. But I am also aware that this is not without any risk. And actually your comments of bringing one's own rubber along is certainly right. The problem is only, when you are lying on the bed, the girl on top of you, playing the game and then takes the cover out of her handbag - who then wants to get up to search for the high quality rubber? So, it is necessary to prepare before. That's the lesson for me to learn.

Wonderer, and happy hunting again!