2002-2006 North China - Beijing

[South Gate]

Hi Dissident,

I live on the west side of town but am not sure I know this Intellifitness MP. I have been to a place near Wu Dao Kou, about two blocks south toward Zhong Guan Cun on the third floor of an office builiding that has FS for 600. The girls seem to be younger than 30. There is a bath/shower in the room and a TV showing porn movies. Is this the MP you are talking about?

I also know of a group of tea houses and BBS on Cheng Fu Lu, just east of Xueyuan Lu and the Mengxi hotel where full service is available for 300. Is this MP one of those places?

[Sebastian My]

Anyone had any experience with this establishment? I am rather perplexed by the free chinese lessons from 22:00-01:00 by Foxey Ladies - looks interesting.

Although i am always mystified why they keep on using western models - surely they could of got a good pic of a foxey local?

[Dissident]

Hi Dissident,

I live on the west side of town but am not sure I know this Intellifitness MP. I have been to a place near Wu Dao Kou, about two blocks south toward Zhong Guan Cun on the third floor of an office builiding that has FS for 600. The girls seem to be younger than 30. There is a bath/shower in the room and a TV showing porn movies. Is this the MP you are talking about?

I also know of a group of tea houses and BBS on Cheng Fu Lu, just east of Xueyuan Lu and the Mengxi hotel where full service is available for 300. Is this MP one of those places?The Intellifitness MP is the one in the Intellifitness building, which is the first one that you're describing. (3rd floor of the office building.) I am not sure when was the last time you visited as they have seemed to gradually get older and older, but now they look like they're over 30. Yeah, it's the place with the bath/shower in the room and the TV showing porn movies.

I guess I'll try the BBSes you mentioned.

[South Gate]

Well it is not really new but is not yet known here and may be nice for guys like me that live on the west side of town.

The story of how I found it is kind of funny. I live with a lady friend near FuxingMen. My wife from LA came to visit me for a week in June and the three of us (wife, lady friend and I) spent a lot of time touring Beijing that week. On one evening, we all three stopped in at a sauna massage place which is on Yuetan Nan Jie (north side) just west of Nan Li Shi Road and across the street from the Yuetan police station. It is a little hole in the wall place with two floors underground. It has a large "Yu", 渝 above the door.

The two women (wife and girlfriend) were talking to one another while all three of us were getting our feet massaged in the large resting area of the sauna. My foot massage girl was a local lady named LI Yan, number 41. She had a kind of low cut shirt and I could sometimes see clear to her nipples. She occasionally smiled at me while she rubbed my feet.

Well the wife is gone and the girlfriend and I are now having a platonic relationship so I was horny today. I sauntered down to this sauna, took a bath and a foot massage and then asked for private room. After they brought me to the room, I asked for Li Yan to come and give me "te fu" 特服.

She came and laughed as she told me that she knew I would be back for more than a foot bath. Her tongue work on my balls and cock were great (no rimming). Her BBBJ had me screaming. We fucked for a long time. The entire bill was 560 and I am sure that I could have bargained that down.

One downside. This sauna is not terribly clean. However, this experience got me to thinking that there is a lot more opportunity in BJ than we know about. You just have to look for it a bit and that is what I intend to do for all you guys who like me dont want to go all the way to Maggie's in the middle of the nite.

[South Gate]

Dissident,

To get to these places, start at the corner of Xue Yuan and Cheng Fu in front of the MengXi hotel. Walk east on Cheng Fu Lu about 500 meters or so. You will have to cross at least one street. On your left there will be about five or six BBS and tea houses. One has a big CHa symbol above the door. In that one, I got FS for 300. Just walk in and all five girls or so will stand up waiting for you to choose. Your choice will take you upstairs for the fun.

[K Zero]

...... floors underground. It has a large "Yu", 渝 above the door.



I think the word you were refering is "浴“, although they sound the same.

[Superforce99]

For all the BJ regulars,

I don't get much chance to both be in BJ and have an opportunity (though
limted) to monger here. I was wondering if anyone has had a chance to get
together with the infamous Mary lately? I was PM'd two of her mobile numbers
but they both no longer work.

Thanks.


J

[Mike85]

For all the BJ regulars,

I don't get much chance to both be in BJ and have an opportunity (though limted) to monger here. I was wondering if anyone has had a chance to get together with the infamous Mary lately? I was PM'd two of her mobile numbers but they both no longer work.

Thanks.

JMary is not in China at this time and may return in September.

[Intransit]

I call bullshit on South Gate's story. You live with your girlfriend, you take her and your visiting wife to a sauna, and fuck a third girl there? Yeah, right. This may be a forum but it's not Penthouse Forum.

[Alex Rock]

Anyone had any experience with this establishment? I am rather perplexed by the free chinese lessons from 22:00-01:00 by Foxey Ladies - looks interesting.

Although i am always mystified why they keep on using western models - surely they could of got a good pic of a foxey local?

I've walked past the place a few times, it's just west of the new CNOOC building, on the north side of the road, near Chaoyang Men Bridge.

Felt tempted to go in and check it out. It has that tempting "look" about the place. Please let us know how it is.

[South Gate]

Intransit, I am sorry if you doubt the truth of my report. I can assure you that I have a wife in the states, a girl friend in Beijing who shares a flat with me (her flat) and I did visit that sauna for a foot massage with both of them and returned a month later for sex session with my foot masseuse.

I thought the story would be amusing and did not mean to offend anyone. No I am not Hugh Heffner, nor am I a great playboy by any standards. Both my wife and girlfriend are very important for me and right now I dont have to choose since they tolerate each other. However, my girl friend does not want to continue an intimate relationship with me so I go to the kinds of places you all go to when I am horny.

Regarding the sauna on Yue Tan Nan Jie, you can check it out on your own if you like. I have enjoyed and benefited from your reports and hope you can benefit from mine.

[Lao Ma]

Maybe it's a good thing that she is away - I think that girl is a walking high risk disaster waiting to happen. She's on record (old posts) as doing guys bareback, I did her twice and I was the one that insisted on the glove. Went to her apartment and it was an incredible mess, and she had a little puppy that she was abusing by not letting it out of the kitchen or take it out for walks.

Methinks she is a couple french fries short of a happy meal.

[Superforce99]

Fully agree with Intransit! We can tell BS when we see one!

South Gate; don't treat us like a fucking 3 years old!

AG


Hey AG,

I think you have to read South Gate's post again. From my understanding of
the writing and grammar, he did the girl during a subsequent visit to the place,
not during the same visit when his wife and GF were there...


From South Gate's post: "Well the wife is gone and the girlfriend and I are now
having a platonic relationship so I was horny today."



J


PS. Thanks for to all for the quick replies about Mary.

[Ace Gallant]

Hey AG,

I think you have to read South Gate's post again. From my understanding of
the writing and grammar, he did the girl during a subsequent visit to the place,
not during the same visit when his wife and GF were there...


From South Gate's post: "Well the wife is gone and the girlfriend and I are now
having a platonic relationship so I was horny today."

J

PS. Thanks for to all for the quick replies about Mary.

I stand corrected and therefore deleted my comment on his report.

AG

[South Gate]

AG,

I have always admired your posts especially in the Shanghai board. Your information has led to many a happy moment for this old guy when I visit SH.

[Mike85]

I was there too, the high rise. She had 2 dogs at the time. The place was relatively clean, except for the bathroom and shower stall. Overall the time was good, but it was odd, every time I wanted to leave she wanted to get banged again a different way. Seemed like she did not want to be alone. Everything was covered at the time. She said in her email she will be back in Sept but never told me when. Defintely a flaky girl, but I still like her.

Mike

[YoungBoss]

I went during the weekend, slowly getting used to the game of the town.

Went to Regency sauna at Mai Zi dian rd in chaoyang.

Positive:

-It is getting cheaper this time 800rmb per session comparing to previous visits of rmb1000 -service is still good (GFE) with the girls although look of the girls have gone down a notch.

Negative:

-Ihe girl refused to FS this time with execuse of no having condom but otherwise very accomodative and sexy -food quality has gone down a lot as they have changed chef. - place has ran-down a bit since 4 month a ago.

Regency KTV:

In the basement of Zhong FU international Hotel:

- Very high-class KTV with very nice deco and sound system

- Very tall and attractive selection of girls (all seem to be 1. 67m above)

- All girls seem to be available to be taken out for rmb2000ST

- Very expensive comparing to other city (small room charge: rmb1600, tips for Mama, waiteress, girl are all rmb 400each)

So you don't care spending 3-5000rmb per shot, this probabaly your place as the girls are model like. I didn't take any girl as I didn't have enough cash and feel a bit over-priced.

Hollywood:

Went 3 times

Conclusion: some gems to be found.

Case1: I have found a young (19) moscow suburban girl who only has arrived beijing 7 days ago. Very young, accomodative, GFE(her tongue was mine mounth, vice versa throughout the session). For 800rmb, I really enjoy the passionate sex. So by talking to the girls, you will likely to find the fresh one usually have better attitude and look. Unfortunately, she had a mama so she could'nt stay overnight

Case2: Found a Korean medical student on her first day there. Tanned skin and cute face. Again very GFE sex despite her small rack and bad breath from smoking. She stayed with me all night and we cuddled and hugged like lovers throughout the night. Next morning, she told me she decide to leave beijing for korea as she feel home sick and not used to the bullying mongolians there.

Case3: Talked to several girls and some seems very geniune and some were very rude and money-minded. So my conclusion is that there are gems to be found there if you are patient and talk to the girls to get to know them better.

[Ks123]

Sorry I know this is on the ABC level, but do all KTV offer HJ, BJ & FS.

I was at one they claim it was a KTV, my chines is low and there english was poor. It look more like a disko.

[Mojo888]

Went to this sauna recently and had a good experience with a young and fresh 20-year old with blonde hair; from Dalian. Slim, average height, small breasts. No model, but very good looking and a nice personality. Like a party girl you would see at a dance club. #12. RMB600 for deluxe FS. Here's an updated address for those who have not been able to find it...From the Ambassador Hotel on Jiuxianqiao Rd, continue South past McD's;past the canal the road veers LEFT a bit, continue until next LIGHT; go through the TRAFFIC LIGHT and you'll pass through a neighborhood with shops, car parts store on LEFT; go past the next TRAFFIC LIGHT and you'll see a see POST OFFICE on RIGHT side of the road; a few doors from that on RIGHT also is THE SAUNA. It is distinguished by FOUR BIG RED LANTERNS hanging over storefront. 2 shops PAST the SAUNA is a WUYUTAI TEA SHOP plainly written in English. You know you have missed the sauna if you see the world's largest gas station on the RIGHT


Couldn't find it yesterday. I reached a point where Jiuxianqiao separates into jiuxianqiao something and jiuxianqiao something else. I keep the direction (left lane) but the street was in bad shape (looks like Beyruth).

[Ks123]

KTV done they give HJ BJ or FS, I was in a local KTV looks more like a disco?

[Sebastian My]

Sorry I know this is on the ABC level, but do all KTV offer HJ, BJ & FS.

I was at one they claim it was a KTV, my chines is low and there english was poor. It look more like a disko.

Other may have different experiences, but typically there is no actual action in the KTV, the idea is to either select someone and go back to your place, or to book a room, drink, sing and generally cuddle up to some nice bird. In some places the girls will do strip shows, will allow you to kiss them and feel them up - but the idea is to take them home for action.

So if you are use to KTV's in singapore - it ain't the same.

[Intransit]

South Gate,

Just trying to keep it real here. If you say that's the way it is, then so be it. I appreciate your polite tone and welcome your contributions as a relative newbie.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Been 5 months since I was in Bejing - have I missed something about Hard Rock?

Was there last night (Tuesday night) - only about 5 or 6 hookers in the whole goddam bar - what is going on?

Was in Hollywood earlier and it was wall to wall pussy.

Maggies also had a very good selection too.

Intransit and Sammy T - lost your numbers guys - you about this week?

I will be in town til Sat

[Ks123]

Hi

I will be out on Friday.

I was 6 month ago on both Hollywood and Treasure Island, Hollywood was with limit girls, but Treasure was packed. What time is best for those. But didn't understand the system, I now do.

Sunshine and Diamond.

I was 6 month ago in Diamond age, only find 1 realy good looking, but she was also great:-) Is it worth to try Sunshine. What time is best for these a friday? What is the price in sunshin?

Starbrucks are there any in the aftennoon?

Any high end-BBS around Ritan park with FFS?

[Me10]

Bored to hell this Monday and decided to adventure myself with some of the Thats BJ massage center ads, well 8 of them in one night,

First one was in BlueCastle down in Dawanglu, girls were 5-6s at the most. Apartment setu up with four girls but didn't try anything there. Full service was offered although they tried to pitch RMB1200. Location was third floor of building M.

Crossed Chang An and headed to SOHO NewTown and checked out one inside the residential apartments. Place was beat up and girls were mediocre so invited myself out of there. Full service available but didn't bother to ask prices.

Next stop, Wanda Plaza, building 4, only HJ and BJ offered, again 5-6s at most, saw two girls, maybe there were more. Again, wanted to take no part in any service there and decided to move on to Sunshine100. Walked into a very nice apartment in the top of building A and had a good vibe. Was already tired of strolling around so settled with an oil massage, RMB188 for one hour. Although didn't fancy any extras, FS was quoted at 800RMB. Anyways, although the girl was a 6er, she gave a good massage and tried to turn me on for more. Luckily or unluckily got an overseas called that needed to answer while being massaged and the girl surprisingly jacked me off. Gave her RMB50 and the spare change of the RMB188.

After dinner at Jianwai SOHO, decided to venture into another massage center, building 3 if not mistaken. Actually there are two inside that building. Checked out both and didn't fancied anything. Decided to continue checking more centers as apparently there were two more in different buildings.

It was a mistake to try finding the other two because they are in the new part of Jianwai SOHO and it is a long ass walk from the original Jianwai. Got there and checked out one on a high floor but again, bad quality girls so didn't even bother for prices. Moved on to the other one, I think building 14, and opted for another oil massage. The girl was at the most a 7 but huge boobs. The massage was 200RMB without extras. She quoted RMB800 for HJ service but I just laughed and told her to continue with regular massage. At the end she settled for RMB100 tip. I needed to see and feel those huge boobs so xiao didi did the thinking and gave her another RMB100 to strip. Huge boobs but hanging big time.

Total damage for good oil massage + decent handjob RMB250 and mediocre oil massage + so/so handjob RMB400. Well, I guess this is my highlight with these massage centers as I don't think they are worth it unless xiaodidi makes the thinking. Sorry but no phone numbers, try Thats BJ or CityWeekend printed versions. By the way, if anyone knows a good, clean, and good value "massage" center, please tell me.

[Sebastian My]

Hi

I will be out on Friday.

I was 6 month ago on both Hollywood and Treasure Island, Hollywood was with limit girls, but Treasure was packed. What time is best for those. But didn't understand the system, I now do.

Sunshine and Diamond.

I was 6 month ago in Diamond age, only find 1 realy good looking, but she was also great:-) Is it worth to try Sunshine. What time is best for these a friday? What is the price in sunshin?

Starbrucks are there any in the aftennoon?

Any high end-BBS around Ritan park with FFS?

Hollywood = best time is 21:00 to 00:00
Treasure island = best time is 00:00 to 02:00 (This place can get rather rought after 01:00 so i would go in- make seletion and get out asap)
SunShine = varies - i would suggest getting their about 22:00 or slightly later, you miss the show but you can get in for free and can get a girl quicker, but selection is reduced. However on friday's the girls normally run out quickly. I can't remeber the price, but have posted this information in the past - so do a search on sunshine club.
Starbucks = I have seen mama-sans their at 19:00, but its not guarenteed. If you want a girl very early, go out on thursday to only get phone numbers and then arrange for a early friday experience. Try the escorts as well. I think the mama-san's at the sheraton parking lot start work the earliest.

[Alroy]

I would like a niceish hotel room that will not make it difficult for me to take a girl back.

I am thinking of the St Regis -- anybody know if this is a problem? I used to stay at the Great wall Sheraton but they have become really hard assed about taking girls after 11 PM.

Any good pick-up suggestions around the St Regis would also be appreciated. I am aware of Hollywood & Maggies -- waht about earlier in the evening?

Thanks

[Sebastian My]

I would like a niceish hotel room that will not make it difficult for me to take a girl back.

I am thinking of the St Regis -- anybody know if this is a problem? I used to stay at the Great wall Sheraton but they have become really hard assed about taking girls after 11 PM.

Any good pick-up suggestions around the St Regis would also be appreciated. I am aware of Hollywood & Maggies -- waht about earlier in the evening?

Thanks
Great Wall Sheraton has always been one of the hardest hotel to bring girls back into - so i am not surprised. This is especially an issue since this April. I don't know the St Regis, but you could try Traders - its about 5 min away from maggies and is a nice hotel. I think the rate is about RM1050 an evening. But most hotels are ok - the absolutly best hotel for this is kerry centre (no guards at the lifts) buts its rather expensive. As for early pick-up's, Hollywood is operating from 21:00.

[Soujourn]

I think Gloria Plaza is another often overlooked, but good hotel for business and pleasure. Never had any hassles, great rates and close to everything on the Maggies side of town.

[Ks123]

Thanks alot for very good information look forward to updated you.

Is this still valid :

"Also Renmin university, not far from Peking Uni, has a huge English corner on Fridays at 7pm. If you go there expect to have 100 people surrounding you in 5 minutes. You can meet 20 girls in 10 minutes. Find the best looking one and go for it. They want English and you want sex so the ratio is very high at this place."

[k__rat]

After a year's absense I'll be back in Beijing for a week next week. Any Laowei that wanna get together give me a PM. I'll be at all the usual haunts.

K

[Bad Boy Billy]

Best hotels in Beijing for 'unchallenged' bringing of girls back at ANY time day or night are

1. China World - VERY EXPENSIVE

2. Kunkun Hotel - middle of the road prices.

Totally forget Sheraton AND Novatel brands.

[seeknewss]

Best hotels in Beijing for 'unchallenged' bringing of girls back at ANY time day or night are

1. China World - VERY EXPENSIVE

2. Kunkun Hotel - middle of the road prices.

Totally forget Sheraton AND Novatel brands.Try Tianlun Dynasty hotel at RMB800 nett w/breakfast. There is Capitol KTV, Sanua inside hotel and very unrestricted to bring gals in.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Once again Hard Rock was completely void of 'Chinese' hookers last night (Thursday).

There were 4 Russians at the bar and 2 less than appealing dark skinned girls - 6 in total.

It was almost hilarious to look at the 30 or 40 guys standing around talking to themselves looking totally bored.

I have no idea why the girls have disappeared - obviously a clean out by authorities for some reason - maybe Intransit or Sammy can get the low down.

Interesting thing was that even with Hard Rock empty of hookers, Maggies was still not overly crowded for a Thursday night - quite strange I thought.

[Dunnigan]

Does anyone know if the Hilton is girl friendly?

[Papi Putito]

The Beijing XInghai Novotel has been fine for bringing back girls. I've hosted Russian, Mongolian, classy Chinese girls and even street pick-ups without ever any problem. I have had them come through the doors with me at all hours. Just lucky? I dunno. I always chat and act as if I own the place when we walk in and never bother to look around to see whose watching. Worked for me so far.

[Hendrik]

Try Tianlun Dynasty hotel at RMB800 nett w/breakfast. There is Capitol KTV, Sanua inside hotel and very unrestricted to bring gals in.Seekness: how do you get such good rates at the Tianlun Dynasty Hotel? Usual internet rates rarely go below RMB 1200 for business rooms.

I stayed a few times at the North Garden Hotel, very centrally located at Wangfujing, 5 minutes taxi ride from Maggies and absolutely girl-friendly. Internet rate (via the hotel homepage) for business rooms is 700-800 RMB depending on the season. Rooms are quite spacious, although not really beautiful. Only real drawback is the uninspired breakfast and dinner - but still good value for money for this central location.

[Camieleke]

Dunnigan,
I was there mid july this year and I had no problems to bring in a girl.
For your information, there is a massage and those girls had no problem to do a HJ, and the massage was ok! Didn't ask for more but will be difficult I think.
But not really cheap, for one and a half hour oil massage with HJ I paid 600. Just phone them and they send you a girl to the room.
Good luck,
C.

[Don45]

Hi,

I'm new on beijing.

Where is adult sex store on Beijing?

Where can I find them?

Is there open 24 hr?

Thanks

[South Gate]

I have been exploring the neighborhood west of the Forbidden City and Tiananmen for saunas and massage places that are convenient for those who live in this neighborhood. I have just started; so this is an initial report.

To arrive to the streets I have explored by Metro, you need to get off at the Muxidi station and then walk back along Fuxing Avenue in eastward direction. Cross San Li He Dong Street and walk to the next corner. THis intersecting street (going north) has the funny name Er Qi Ju Chang Street (2 - 7 Theatre Street). Look to the left down Er Qi Ju Chang Street and you will see a tree lined street with various restaurants, shops, barber shops. Look to the right (south) and you should see the People's Palace Hotel.

First turn right and walk south to the first intersecion on the right. Turn right there and walk about 100 meters. On the right there are two barber shops. The 7 to 8 girls there are from Jiangxi province and provide FS for 200 RMB. Some are young (as young as 18) and pretty. I like the mature Mama San (Da Jie). I warn you though that the rooms in the back where service is provided are a bit dirty. You might want to bring a paper sheet.

Now you are back on the corner of FUxing Lu and Er Qi Ju Chang Lu. Instead of walking south, you will walk north on Er Qi Ju Chang Lu. You will pass a couple of restaurants on your right and then cross a small street. Immediately thereafter on the right you will see a rotating foot massage pole. Go in there. No Chinese necessary. The girls know what you want.

They will lead you to one of the pink lit rooms in the rear. MY hostess there was Shan Shan from Hunan. She did not provide full service and her service inclduded a very erotic fingertip massage of ass, legs, balls and cock, breast massage and BBBJ to completion in her sweet mouth. This cost 400 K. I tried to bargain her down and she agreed to 350 but told me that I should first experience her skill and then decide if I wanted to pay 350 or 400. I paid 400. Enough said. Afterward, she washed me in the shower. This place is quite a bit cleaner than the other place I mentioned.

Go outside and turn right. After passing a couple more restaurants on your right, you will see a hotel on your left and then one on your right. Both of the hotels say Sauna (桑拿) in Chinese over the door. Both hotels have saunas in the basement. I went to the hotel sauna on the left. I did not try the one on the right. There, the staff is pleasant but only oil massage and hand job is available. Cost is 370 (too much in my book). Anyone want to try the sauna on the right?

After you finish with your hand job in the sauna, continue north on Er Qi Ju Chang Lu until you reach Yuetan Nan Jie. Cross Yue Tan Nan Jie and turn right. After about 70 meters on you left there is the sauna I already reported on where an excellent foot mssage followed by BJ and full service costs 550.

Enjoy

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[South Gate]

Sex stores that sell condoms, vibrators, lingerie, Viagra, etc are in most neighborhoods. Memorize the two characters “成人“ which mean adult and which are pronounced cheng ren. A few have English on the storefront.

[K Zero]

Anyone know of any short term hotels/accomodations? I recall I saw it posted here once 1-2 years ago, anyone have any new info? The check-in, then say I need to check-out to get free stay is not suitable for my endeavor.

I've searched for KY Jelly for the past 2 weeks, through 8 Watson's and several supermarkets, all said KY Jelly is sold out, anyone actually "SEEN" one in your recent shopping trip, please PM me which shop and where.

On the side note, I now see Okamoto's condoms being shelved on Watson's and some other supermarkets, for people that liked them, you know where to get them now.

I will post my report on Okamoto condoms after I used the last type I bought. Stay tuned.

[K Zero]

This report was inspired by a little discussion about condoms in the Beijing thread, that lead to Sebastian My's Condoms Roadtest at http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=495351&postcount=4233. So I decided that since I started the little conversation, I should be the one that ends it.

The tests are not done scientifically. Because:

1) I did not test the different condoms on the same girl to get concrete results.
2) If I was too concentrate on gathering data, I will probably get soft and can't go on.
3) I will have my description as objective and descriptive as possible, but again, I still rate the condoms base on how I "felt".
4) The experience from various condoms are from the span of my sexual activities. The time length between the tests are somewhat long.


***THIS REPORT IS ENTIRELY MY OWN OPINION, YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY***

-=Candidates:=-

1) Durex Featherlite (pink, China bought)
2) Durex Featherlite (yellow, Foreign bought)
3) Okamoto Skinless Skin (China Ebay bought, for Hong Kong market)
4) Okamoto Crown Silk (as above)
5) Local X-Brand

I usually bring my own condoms to party, so, I've only used local X-Brand twice, and in "emergency" situations. I put it here for reference.

-=Testee(s):=-

1) Long term GF (1 and only, and only one that used all, besides #5)
2) Fuck friends (3)
3) Working girls (particular few)

I chose them to include in the tests because I actually had sexual relations with them for more than 1 time, to make my tests more objective. So, 1-night stands doesn't count.

-=Tester:=-

My self. I am in the late twenties, from Malaysia of Chinese ethnicity. My penis size is somewhat large commented by most girls. I am not going to give measurements, but I would probably say larger than average Asians, on par with some Caucasians, smaller than most friends of African origins (can't find a better term). Streotyping.

My size had an advantage at the thickness more than the length. I write this section because I find that condoms are NOT one size fits all. So, just to further illustrate how the condoms felt on me, and to give a better description on my tests.


-=The Test=-

For myself, I would prefer to go bareback at any given chance, but knowing that we belong to high risks group of STDs and AIDS, I only go bareback on my long term GF. I once had a friend (virgin) asked me if the difference between having a condom and not, is like heaven and hell. My answer was no, but it is between sky and earth. Just to illustrate how I felt about condoms. But, I had been using condoms since my high school years, so I (or try to)practice safe sex.

I will write the reports with an introduction to my experience of the said candidate, and their description, followed by:

i) Ease of opening - For myself, if I (or girl) spent too much time on opening and preparing the condom, I kinda lost some interest (less hard)
ii) Thickness - The wall thickness of the rubber
iii) Lubrication - How was the lubricant that already been applied to the condom
iv) Stickyness to skin - How well the rubber tube blends with the penis' skin
v) Rubber band - How well the rubber band at the end of the condom fit to the penis

Overall - This is not total of all scores, but a total general feeling about the candidate.

Note: The scores are just a relative to each other 1=worst, 10=best.


-=1) Durex Featherlite (pink, China bought)=-

This is actually the same "model" I used when I was in university (6 yrs ago), this would probably be considered "last generation" in a production line. This is currently the model of Durex Featherlite you get in China.

i) Ease of opening - 9, Easy to open, jagged edges for fast tearing, packaging easy to tear, condoms are nicely put and can easily differentiate sides by a light blow of air.

ii) Thickness - 8, thinnest in China.

iii) Lubrication - 7, adequate, little "water-ry".

iv) Stickyness to skin - 8, good, no complaints.

v) Rubber band - 8, good, but not elastic enough (comparatively).

Overall - 8


-=2) Durex Featherlite (yellow, Foreign bought)=-

I found out this when I went back to Malaysia last November. I also confirmed it with several friends around the world (New Zealand, Australia, USA, UK, Singapore) that their Durex Featherlite is also this version. After using this, my long term GF said she will never go back to #1.

i) Ease of opening - 8, Easy to open, jagged edges for fast tearing, packaging easy to tear, condoms somewhat stickier that #1, and might need some effort to make sure it is the right side.

ii) Thickness - 9, really thin.

iii) Lubrication - 9, good, unless it is really dry, no external help needed at all.

iv) Stickyness to skin - 10, Oh boy, you got to try it to feel it.

v) Rubber band - 9, good, and the elasticity is just right. (Note: Some people prefer tighter band to slow ejaculating, I don't).

Overall - 9.5


-=3) Okamoto Skinless Skin (China Ebay bought, for Hong Kong market)=-

Recommended by friends in ISG's Beijing thread. At that time, I needed a substitute for #2. Did some research and decided to try some. The Chinese word (kanji) on the box says "thin 簿", it is deceptive.

i) Ease of opening - 6, No jagged edges, if I failed to tear it good at the beginning, the opening is bad afterward. Condoms need little to none effort to differentiate sides.

ii) Thickness - 7, on par with #1, but it felt different, maybe it is the so called new material "Sherlong" they used.

iii) Lubrication - 5, next to none.

iv) Stickyness to skin - 7, not really well, felt like a thin plastic tubing.

v) Rubber band - 8, adequate.

Overall - 6

Note: After applying KY Jelly, Overall - 7.


-=4) Okamoto Crown Silk(as above)=-

Not sure why it says Crown, and the price is RMB1 more expensive than above for a box of 3. This is what #3 is suppose to be !

i) Ease of opening - 6, No jagged edges, if I failed to tear it good at the beginning, the opening is bad afterward. Condoms need little to none effort to differentiate sides.

ii) Thickness - 9, thinner than #3.

iii) Lubrication - 5, next to none.

iv) Stickyness to skin - 8, sticks better than #3.

v) Rubber band - 8, adequate.

Overall - 8

Note: After applying KY Jelly, Overall - 9


-=5) Local X-Brand=-

I don't buy these, usually being provided by working girls, and after I tried it 2 times, I bring my own, the following are from memory, might be biased.

i) Ease of opening - 7, jagged edges, but sometimes packaging is little hard to tear.

ii) Thickness - 5, can't feel a thing, bad elasticity.

iii) Lubrication - 6, but I don't like it, hard to wipe off, need water or wet tissues.

iv) Stickyness to skin - 4, they stick?

v) Rubber band - 1, if you want to stop a bag from leaking, use this.

Overall - 4


-=Conclusion=-

The final overall scores are:

1) Durex Featherlite (pink, China bought) -------8
2) Durex Featherlite (yellow, Foreign bought) ---9.5
3) Okamoto Skinless Skin ----------------------6 (7)
4) Okamoto Crown Silk ------------------------8 (9)
5) Local X-Brand------------------- -----------4

My personal ranking:

1) Durex Featherlite (yellow, Foreign bought)
2) Durex Featherlite (pink, China bought)
3) Okamoto Crown
4) Okamoto Skinless Skin
5) Local X-Brand

I still choose Durex Featherlite (pink) above Okamoto Crown Silk. Although the Okamoto has better score, it requires application of KY Jelly, which is work to me.

As for Local X-Brand, I would rather have a HJ or BBBJ instead. My dick needs to breathe.

IMO, these (1,3,4) are probably the thinnest and finest condoms you can get in Beijing. I see alot of this "Jibson" brand, anyone want to post their report on that?

Hope this report help members to pick a good tool for better pleasure.

Safepaths.

[Sebastian My]

This report was inspired by a little discussion about condoms in the Beijing thread, that lead to Sebastian My's Condoms Roadtest at http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=495351&postcount=4233. So I decided that since I started the little conversation, I should be the one that ends it.

-=Conclusion=-

The final overall scores are:

1) Durex Featherlite (pink, China bought) -------8
2) Durex Featherlite (yellow, Foreign bought) ---9.5
3) Okamoto Skinless Skin ----------------------6 (7)
4) Okamoto Crown Silk ------------------------8 (9)
5) Local X-Brand------------------- -----------4

My personal ranking:

1) Durex Featherlite (yellow, Foreign bought)
2) Durex Featherlite (pink, China bought)
3) Okamoto Crown
4) Okamoto Skinless Skin
5) Local X-Brand

Safepaths.

This is one of the best scientific papers i have ever read - of course the test of any scientific theory is "repeatability", so i will give the Featherlite a whizz - so to speak - to ensure the vailidity of these findings. I think Z Zero will have to change his handle to Dr Z Zero PhD, or just professor.

[k__rat]

Yesterday evening I started at the Pig about 8:30pm. Early I know, but I was hoping to score a girl early and get to sleep at a reasonable hour.

I was surprised how full the place was. I've been away for a year and was somewhat surprised to see a few girls I recognized. There were plenty of girls but the quality was not good. Last year it seemed like at least a few nice young mongolians showed up but last night all of them looked pretty worn. Frankly I'd rather stay home and masturbate as take anything that was on offer there. I stuck around till around 10:00 and left. Perhaps I left before the hotties showed up.

With some difficulty I found my way to Hollywood. The cab guy at Lido didn't know the place and wound up sending me to Hard Rock. A cabbie there wanted to charge me 40RMB for what I knew was like a 20RMB ride so I told him to stuff it. I walked over to the Sheraton and found a guy who knew where it was. I only had a vague idea that it was near Ritan park and as it turns out, I was wrong about where I thought it was.

The talent on display here was (IMO) of a far higher caliber but then I have a predilection for Russian women. There was a crew of American guys there that appeared to be having a bachelor party or something and were clowning up the dance floor to the amusement of all.

Most of the girls were pretty standoffish. I chatted up a few and eventually chatted up a drop-dead beauty. 23 years old, PERFECT [slim & athletic] body and beautiful face w/nice teeth (I've noticed all over the world that Russian women often look beautiful until they smile). She had just been standing around smoking cigs so I wasn't really expecting much but her attitude was good. A bit reserved but nice. Eventually we agreed on 800 ST back at my hotel. FWIW I'm staying at the Hilton and nobody looked twice when we walked in around 11:45. In the room she was quiet but very nice and sooo beautiful I couldn't believe it. Terrific (slow & gentle) BBBJ (for a little extra) and exquisite sex that was over all too soon. No DFK but otherwise very much GFE.

I'll definitely be seeing her again (I'll post contact info after I've seen her a few more times).

One interesting thing. When I propositioned her at the bar she brought another (older) woman over who firmly told me prices. The girl told me later in the room that of the 800RMB I paid her this woman (we can call her mama-san) gets 500 and she only gets 300. (BTW - I asked her this, she didn't bring it up, so no, she wasn't trying to scam me for more I don't think).

All in all not a bad start.

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[Alex Rock]

Someone told me the security guys at HRC have been increasing the "monthly fee" they charge the girls to let them in. It's not an HRC policy, it's a way the security guys get their own revenue - forcing Chinese girls to pay a monthly fee. They thought it'd make them come back every day, since once they've paid, they'll want to spread the fee over 30 nights. In fact it seems to have driven the girls to places where they don't pay or they just pay a nightly "security fee". If you've noticed, Maggies charges the girls an entry but not the mongers.


Once again Hard Rock was completely void of 'Chinese' hookers last night (Thursday).

There were 4 Russians at the bar and 2 less than appealing dark skinned girls - 6 in total.

It was almost hilarious to look at the 30 or 40 guys standing around talking to themselves looking totally bored.

I have no idea why the girls have disappeared - obviously a clean out by authorities for some reason - maybe Intransit or Sammy can get the low down.

Interesting thing was that even with Hard Rock empty of hookers, Maggies was still not overly crowded for a Thursday night - quite strange I thought.

[k__rat]

one of the girls at the pig told me the same thing last night - "no girls go to the hardrock anymore, it's too expensive now." i peeked in last night and it looked bereft of girls so i didn't bother to pay the cover to look closer.


someone told me the security guys at hrc have been increasing the "monthly fee" they charge the girls to let them in. it's not an hrc policy, it's a way the security guys get their own revenue - forcing chinese girls to pay a monthly fee. they thought it'd make them come back every day, since once they've paid, they'll want to spread the fee over 30 nights. in fact it seems to have driven the girls to places where they don't pay or they just pay a nightly "security fee". if you've noticed, maggies charges the girls an entry but not the mongers.

[Twktwk]

Regarding the Jiuxiangqiao Road Sauna place, I made small talk with a guy there, and he gave a card with number. His name is Yu Li Min 13331177383.

It's been a month and a half, so can't recall exact details, but dude was friendly and I explained I'm Chinese-American/Hua-ren and I'd heard about the place from some "friends."

He gave me card and number as I was leaving (and also helped me avoid some little surcharge they were slapping on for the towel or some crap like that), and said to send my friends.

So, here's another vote for the place.

All in all, it was nice. Shower not the most robust facility I've been to, and the upstairs felt less class than I'm used to locally (ShiJiaZhuang), but the line-up, girls and prices were as expected thanks to the earlier report here.

It was a long walk from Lido, but well worth it. At least, as of mid July.

[Gglee]

I've looked in abbreviations, not there.

Have an idea but want to know what it means exactly.

Thanks

[Pier20]

I've looked in abbreviations, not there.

Have an idea but want to know what it means exactly.

ThanksAre you kidding?

Just have a better look in abbreviations.

If you still cannot find it, BBS = barber shop

[Eaglestar]

I've looked in abbreviations, not there.

Have an idea but want to know what it means exactly.

Thanks

It is in abbreviations Gglee.

[Sebastian My]

One interesting thing. When I propositioned her at the bar she brought another (older) woman over who firmly told me prices. The girl told me later in the room that of the 800RMB I paid her this woman (we can call her mama-san) gets 500 and she only gets 300.



Mama-san - The system varies based on the mama-san and the level of trust between the girl and the mama-san, but the girls need to pay off the fee they pay for the privilege of working at Hollywood. The fee structure is complex so i won't bother providing a full break down, suffice to say the girl needs to get RM1600 a night for 6 weeks to pay off the loan, after than they get to keep all the money - less the fee for having a Hollywood membership card. In your case the mama-san probably did not trust the girl - thus there is some form of mandatory cut per trick. The price of RM800 is absolutely fixed - however my advice is to arrange for early dinners with your friend - as long as she gets to Hollywood by about 10pm she can do anything she wishes before hand.

Note : You will never have problems taking western women back to hotels - its only chinese birds you have issues with.

[Albert Punter]

Yes, this abbreviation is in the right page.

As you seem not to be aware, I would like briefly to explain that BBS is not a real barber shop.
It looks so from outside because you have that turning lighted pole outside and barber chairs inside.

However, inside you will also notice no barbers, but just girls. They may wave and smile at you, inviting to get in.
That is not surely for an hair-cut, but for a quick release by HJ or BJ (you can find these abbreviations too in the appropriate page).

BBS are more common in Shanghai than in Beijing.



I've looked in abbreviations, not there.

Have an idea but want to know what it means exactly.

Thanks

[Nynyny]

there's more bs from these massage girls:

i called the second number, 13366683286, hoping to get the petite girl of the two (xiao mei or qi qi) and the 5'6 girl arrived a third time an hour late. it is impossible to tell who will arrive but i suggest you avoid these two until they get their advertising right or you will get a bunch of bs.

cindy the girl everyone should ban is also posting on several expat websites and citymagazine, here are another two advertisements and phone number's to ban:

need relief from stress?
let me massage away sore, aching muscles.
call 13124768575 froggie

i'm professional licensed massage therapist.
i specialize in troditional chinese massage and ero-style oil massage.
you'll feel relaxed, refreshed, rejuvenated.
call me at 13683211067

“cindy be with u cindy,165cm,21,a good looking girl professional massage,make you relaxed and comfortable,i can service you at your home or hotel, for a reasonable price. 13552040660 — xiaoxiao”

ban these three numbers:

13552040660
13683211067
13124768575

cindy probably posts a large number of other advertisements and has other phone numbers. to make sure you aren't getting this girl simply ask are you cindy? and if the girl speaks decent english and says yes, just hang up to avoid this horrible service girl.

sid can you publically post the number for the wang jing mp? i can't retrieve in anymore and would like to give them a ring.

when you read these reviews, check the number and location of the girls, of your advertisement you’ve read to see if the girls are changing names or playing games, so you can avoid a bad experience.

dan dan - 13426467920 she knows xiao mei and qi qi who also frequently posts ads. she is 5'3, about 30, 36b’s and very chubby for a chinese woman. she said she is from the guomao area. she does not know how to give a massage or hj. $300rmb plus round trip cab fare. avoid this one. you can even ask her on the phone if she knows xiao mei or qi qi and chances are it’s dan dan.

xiao mei/qi qi – 13391580866 or 13366683286, xiao mei switches numbers with qi qi. qi they are friends and work together. xiao mei is 28-30, about 5'6, 36b’s and a little chubby. some ads show her as being partially korean which is not true. she said she is from heilongjiang. it’s kind of tricky. xiao mei gives a very good massage and sensual massage but just ok hj. $300rmb plus two way taxi fare from the chaoyang area. they switch numbers so it seems difficult to know which one you are dealing with, so just ask for one of them and hopefully my description will tell you if you've gotten xiao mei or qi qi. i haven't tried qi qi yet but other reviews say she is the smaller and petite one of the two.

this is cindy/xiao xiao’s ad, she posts ad’s in thatsbj and city classified for bj.

“cindy be with u cindy,165cm,21,a good looking girl professional massage,make you relaxed and comfortable,i can service you at your home or hotel, for a reasonable price. 13552040660 — xiaoxiao”

cindy/xiao xiao – 13552040660 this girl advertises as a 165cm, 21yr old girl. she speaks decent english and will speak to you in english if she senses you are a foreigner. this is the most money hungry of all the girls i’ve met and she rushes in and out. she appears to be 25-30 about 5’5 and 34c’s (implants) she will do a bad sensual massage using nails and will do a bad hj. after the hj she will rush out. she asks the standard $200 for hotel massage and then starts at $800 for a hj. aviod this one, i should have taken a photo. next time i will offer additional money just to take a photo for others to avoid them. i’m sure this one is deceptive and not very honest, check the number 13552040660 to make sure you aren’t calling the same person.

wangjing massage – pm sidthesexist for the number. the cost is $160 plus round trip cab fare. i would tip $20 if the girls give you very good service. generally it shouldn’t go over $300 rmb anywhere in bj, which is a great deal.

#22 – she is from henan, about 160cm and 28-30 with 36b’s. she has a cute face but is chubby. she does an excellent sensual massage and hj. won’t take her top off, but like i said she does an excellent massage/hj.

#12 – she is from hunan, about 155cm and 25-27 with 34b’s. she is average weight ,figure and face. she also does an excellent sensual massage and hj though a little different from #22. i would say #22 has a better regular massage. these girls are trained in the same routine, so the technique and skill only vary slightly. i would base it all on looks.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[OldAsiaHand]

Many BBS offer more than a quick release. FS is on offer in numerous locales nationwide. It can be done on site or in an apartment nearby.


Yes, this abbreviation is in the right page.

As you seem not to be aware, I would like briefly to explain that BBS is not a real barber shop.
It looks so from outside because you have that turning lighted pole outside and barber chairs inside.

However, inside you will also notice no barbers, but just girls. They may wave and smile at you, inviting to get in.
That is not surely for an hair-cut, but for a quick release by HJ or BJ (you can find these abbreviations too in the appropriate page).

BBS are more common in Shanghai than in Beijing.

[seeknewss]

Seekness: how do you get such good rates at the Tianlun Dynasty Hotel? Usual internet rates rarely go below RMB 1200 for business rooms.

I stayed a few times at the North Garden Hotel, very centrally located at Wangfujing, 5 minutes taxi ride from Maggies and absolutely girl-friendly. Internet rate (via the hotel homepage) for business rooms is 700-800 RMB depending on the season. Rooms are quite spacious, although not really beautiful. Only real drawback is the uninspired breakfast and dinner - but still good value for money for this central location.Hendrik,

The rate in corporate rate thru' my Beijing branch office. I think you try harder with hotel sales and quote other companies getting this rate RMB800 nett incl breakfast (nice buffet spread)!

Good luck!

[Great Wall]

Went to this sauna recently and had a good experience with a young and fresh 20-year old with blonde hair; from Dalian. RIGHTNo body speaks English. Girls smell quite badly and don't shave pussy. They are not of any quality. That is what I saw.

[Great Wall]

Any idea what this (www.linfengspa.com) is.

[Airstarter]

Hi guys,

Being in Beijing now for two days and went to Hollywood the first time last night. It was not very full and they charged me 40 rmb to get in. Saw a couple of nice russian girls but was attacked be a chinese girl first. After two minutes of she asked me where I stay in beijing and i told her at novotel xin qiao. She said that this Hotel is defininetly not GF, so she offered me to go with her to the girls home. I wanted a LT with one of the cute russian girls so I told her that I will leave to my Hotel after my beer.

As I read so many articles here at ISG I know that the Novotel is not GF. But I also read an article that coming home with an russian girl is not a problem at the most hotels. As I konw about this fact I would not write this thread. But beeing myself an ABC, I wonder if the hotel staff would say anything, when a chinese looking guy is coming with an not chinese girl to the hotel.

So any suggestions from you?

Will report when I hopefully get a get into my Novotel.

Airstarter

[Papi Putito]

I always stay at the Beijing xinqiao (Novotel) and have had higher class Chinese girls back with me, Mongolian, Russian and even street girls and at all hours, usually late. I've never had a problem. I posted this previously but like a boob put the wrong name of the hotel. Jeez, I've opnly stayed there ten times at least and usually for days at a pop. Anyway, seems OK to me.

[KingSouther]

Ok guys, I've RTFF so many times so I won't take the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) about asking for addresses, but in your opinion are the any places like saunas with working girls who are Russians? Not really into yellow fever yet and I live in Haidian. Picking up a russian near Ritan Park (where I'm told they frequent) is a dogs year away from where I live.

Just a simple yes or no would suffice. Anything more is greatly appreciated.

[k__rat]

I started at the Indian restaurant attached to Lido last night. After a tasty meal I stopped by the Pig for a quick check around 10:00 (I think) and while it was hopping I didn't see anything that appealed to me. Seems like quality has gone down there, or maybe I'm just getting older and crankier.

Then I decided to head down to Ritan and checke out Absenta, as I've never been there before. Thanks to the directions on the board I found it very easily starting from the south gate at Ritan park.

I had a weird experience there.

So I go into Absenta and at the top of the stairs there's a woman at a desk who tells me to go on down (I think this was about 11pm). I do and at the bottom of the stairs I went LEFT into some kind of bar (Elephant or something?) with girls dancing on a stage (not stripping - some kind of choreographed number). I circled the place and figured out that this was clearly not the Absenta I've read about so as I head to the door I see that Absenta is to the RIGHT at the bottom of the stairs. So I walked over there and started to go up a second set of stairs that appears to lead to a bar.

At this point some asian guy accosted me on the stairs and seemed to not want me to come in. I don't speak any mandarin and he spoke no english so we were at an impasse. I'm a middle-aged white guy and I was wearing jeans and a fairly dressy shirt, so I don't think I looked shabby. We gestured at each other and after a minute or two I just gave up and left. (Note: he wasn't particularly rude, but seemed to think I shouldn't be there).

Any idea what happened? I saw some hotties going in and out of that place so I was bummed to leave.

I wound up back at Hollywood where I picked up "Angie" from St. Petersburg. She was a bit wooden but cute and reminded a lot of a girl I knew once but didn't score with so you know how that is. Took her back to my place and she demanded money up front. Homey don't play that, so I gave her taxi money and told her Zaijian. My experience has ALWAYS been that if they demand money up-front the experience will suck.

I'm up for looking beyond the "usual" haunts at this point - PM me if you have any good recommendations. I prefer to pay more for better women, so I avoid the BBS scene and since I generally am in town alone the KTVs don't really seem to make sense either.

[Ks123]

Last Friday:

At 19:30 is was at Renmin university, English corner. Atlot of people whant to talk with and you can filtre to the nice girls, I did manage to take 1 to hotelroom, but she was to shy so nogo. I whent to Holliwood, many pornolooking girls, big lips & boops, but not a marvellous or realy beautiful, maybe 2 realy good looking russian girls. So go for Margie, no model. Then to Diamon age at 1:00, the last SW just left so I toke to Hilton, there was 4 SW 1 realy good looking she start to ask for 500$, I say 2000rmd for LT, okay we was of she did a good job8/10, good body8/10.

Saturday I took to sunshine club: alot of good lokking girls at 21:30, but whant to try a russian so to Holliwood, there was 2 realy good looking, the 1 was pick by guys very fast when she gome back, 3 times in 2.5hours. The other one I pick up at tresur island next door. Young nice body 8.5/10 good service. The price range say by the "mamasan" was 800rmd for 1hour 1short. 1600rmd for 3hours and 2400rmd for rest of nigth. These russian is very reserved, you need to go for it.

[Sebastian My]

Hi guys,

Being in Beijing now for two days and went to Hollywood the first time last night. It was not very full and they charged me 40 rmb to get in. Saw a couple of nice russian girls but was attacked be a chinese girl first. After two minutes of she asked me where I stay in beijing and i told her at novotel xin qiao. She said that this Hotel is defininetly not GF, so she offered me to go with her to the girls home. I wanted a LT with one of the cute russian girls so I told her that I will leave to my Hotel after my beer.

As I read so many articles here at ISG I know that the Novotel is not GF. But I also read an article that coming home with an russian girl is not a problem at the most hotels. As I konw about this fact I would not write this thread. But beeing myself an ABC, I wonder if the hotel staff would say anything, when a chinese looking guy is coming with an not chinese girl to the hotel.

So any suggestions from you?

Will report when I hopefully get a get into my Novotel.

Airstarter

As long as the girl looks western you generally will not have any difficulties. (But it seems the Landmark is somewhere you will have issues based on a later posting.)
If they look Asian but are not Chinese, you may have minor difficulties and may need to register - but should also be ok.
The Hotels i have NEVER even had the slightest problems with this (Russian, Chinese, Mongolian or Uzbekistan) is the Kerry Centre, Traders, China World, Mariott, Grand Hyatt. Places where i have had issues is the Sheraton.

[SidTheSexist]

Homey don't play that, so I gave her taxi money and told her Zaijian.
RAOTF!! Sorry to hear you didnt get laid. Never mind, you're right, I also dont like the pay up front thing. If she has enough reason to think you wont pay afterwards, then she obviously doesnt trust you much and service will likely be poor. Hopefully the loss of the money you were actually going to pay her, will serve a lesson for the future. As long as "taxi money" wasnt too much either.
When are we going to see a batch of real service minded girls in Beijing? Can anyone tell me why Beijing is the only place in china Ive been to so far which doesnt have working Fillipina's??
Sid

[Sebastian My]

So I go into Absenta and at the top of the stairs there's a woman at a desk who tells me to go on down (I think this was about 11pm). I do and at the bottom of the stairs I went LEFT into some kind of bar (Elephant or something?) with girls dancing on a stage (not stripping - some kind of choreographed number). I circled the place and figured out that this was clearly not the Absenta I've read about so as I head to the door I see that Absenta is to the RIGHT at the bottom of the stairs. So I walked over there and started to go up a second set of stairs that appears to lead to a bar.

At this point some asian guy accosted me on the stairs and seemed to not want me to come in. I don't speak any mandarin and he spoke no english so we were at an impasse. I'm a middle-aged white guy and I was wearing jeans and a fairly dressy shirt, so I don't think I looked shabby. We gestured at each other and after a minute or two I just gave up and left. (Note: he wasn't particularly rude, but seemed to think I shouldn't be there).

Any idea what happened? I saw some hotties going in and out of that place so I was bummed to leave.

I wound up back at Hollywood where I picked up "Angie" from St. Petersburg. She was a bit wooden but cute and reminded a lot of a girl I knew once but didn't score with so you know how that is. Took her back to my place and she demanded money up front. Homey don't play that, so I gave her taxi money and told her Zaijian. My experience has ALWAYS been that if they demand money up-front the experience will suck.

I'm up for looking beyond the "usual" haunts at this point - PM me if you have any good recommendations. I prefer to pay more for better women, so I avoid the BBS scene and since I generally am in town alone the KTVs don't really seem to make sense either.

1. Absentia - At the bottom of the stairs if you turn right, you end up in the KTV. The night club is on the left (Elephant). Absentia is normally very quiet at 11pm, need to get their about 1am. The signage is rather confusing, but at least i know there is a KTV in the building. I wonder if they have russian girls?
2. Totally agree - never pay up front. Sometimes i think its ok to pay for part of the service up front and the rest at the end. You shouldn't just cut her off immediatly, try the - i promise to pay, etc first. But if they refuse to do anything without a 100% up front payment - forget it. I have never ever had a good experience when i pay up front.
3. Try Diamond Age or Sunshine club - you don't need to do the KTV thing, but can sit at the bar or stage and have a chat. The problem is if you say no, you are still expected to provide a tip. So make sure that anyone who sits next to you is someone you would be prepared to take home - and as the john west ad goes, reject the rest!

Update on Payment system - I have asked my russian friends and they indicate the standard process for laowai's is payment after the deed. The only times they insist on up front payment is if they suspect you are going to give then counterfeit currency (as normally is provided by the kenyan/nigeria and russian customers) or if you spend a lot of time trying to negociate up front (they suspect you are cheap and will not pay them the full amount, or will try and extend the experience simply to maximise value for money by taking a long time to fork over the cash). So - as long as you don't look like a Kenyan drug runner who works for the russian mafia and who spends 30minutes negociating - you should never pay up front.

[Homban]

I'm heading to Beijing for a brief visit this weekend - my first time in China. Since I'm going with my wife, I doubt I'll be able to sample the finest China has to offer, but there is a small window of opportunity one day, when I'll be alone for about an hour, probably around Tianenmen or the Wangfujing area.

So my question is simply this: will I be able to easily spot a BBS etc. while walking around those places? Is a quick half-hour (or even less) China experience (HJ or BJ is fine) asking too much?

[K Zero]

This is not directed to anyone, but now I understand why we had strict posting rules before the forum turned UN-moderated.

I've notice that the quality of writing is going down with the recent 100-200 posts. For new members, please do post with correct spelling and punctuation marks. Re-check your posts for spelling mistakes and such before you submit. It helps us read easier when digging for information.

y0uR 3ffort c0ulD help da frum beTTer 4 uS.

tHank5

[Nynyny]

Hi Sid,

Would you mind posting the number for the Wang Jing MP? I'd like to call them but I can't retrieve my old PM's anymore.

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Hi Nynyny,

If you buy a subscription you can retreive your old PMs and do a good thing by suporting the Forum.

Surely an international traveler such as your self can afford $12.95?

Thanks,

Jackson

[TheNoop]

Gents,
I was in Beijing in April and took a Russian from Maggie's back to the Landmark. Never had trouble before here. They really gave us a hard time, took us to the front desk and demanded to see her room key. After quite a bit of arguing they let us go up. I will be back in town in the next couple of weeks and am looking for a gf friendly place. I don't think I will do the Land mark again. It was hard to believe as they have the HRC out front, KTV downstairs and Mamasan in the parking lot!
Any suggestions?
Thenoop



As long as the girl looks western you will not have any issues. If they look asian but are not chinese, you may have issues and may need to register - but should also be ok.

[Santa]

I'm heading to Beijing for a brief visit this weekend - my first time in China. Since I'm going with my wife, I doubt I'll be able to sample the finest China has to offer, but there is a small window of opportunity one day, when I'll be alone for about an hour, probably around Tianenmen or the Wangfujing area.

So my question is simply this: will I be able to easily spot a BBS etc. while walking around those places? Is a quick half-hour (or even less) China experience (HJ or BJ is fine) asking too much?

Barbershop hunting usually takes a lot of time, especially in Beijing, which is not a good city for barbershops. Your best opportunity might be the hotel sauna.

[Homban]

Barbershop hunting usually takes a lot of time, especially in Beijing, which is not a good city for barbershops. Your best opportunity might be the hotel sauna.You mean my hotel's sauna? That doesn't sound feasible, since I'm staying there with a busload of other people on the same package tour as me, one of whom happens to be my wife.

I've done more reading of this forum and found South Gate's post titled "West Side Fun", which details some BBS & saunas near Muxidi station. Maybe I'll take a quick stroll around there, unless someone can suggest a better area closer to Tianenmen/Wanfujing.

Like I said, I don't have the luxury of time, and I'm a total beginner to China.

[Santa]

Usually the saunas are segregated, men only and maybe a seperate sauna for women. They often offer a private massage room after the sauna and send you in a lady, send her back if she's not attractive. Make it clear to the attendants what you want and ask about the prices. No need to be shy about asking, this is China. "When in Rome!" Massage how much? Handjob included? Fucking how much? Since you probably don't know any chinese, have them write the prices down. Please don't get ripped off.

Often, in Beijing, the barbershops are dirty, the girls are low quality and many don't provide full service. So it is better to go to a sauna that a Beijing brother has recommended.

Your hotel may have a full service sauna. However, if they don't have what you want, don't waste your time there. So ask first.

Good luck and please let us all know what happened. We're all rooting for ya! :D

[Bad Boy Billy]

Gents,
I was in Beijing in April and took a Russian from Maggie's back to the Landmark. Never had trouble before here. They really gave us a hard time, took us to the front desk and demanded to see her room key. After quite a bit of arguing they let us go up. I will be back in town in the next couple of weeks and am looking for a gf friendly place. I don't think I will do the Land mark again. It was hard to believe as they have the HRC out front, KTV downstairs and Mamasan in the parking lot!
Any suggestions?
Thenoop

Thenoop

Landmark is only 500mtrs from Kunlun Hotel - 100% guaranteed girl friendly - and you can still walk from HRC if you want.

They often have deals going that are not on web site or on other booking sites - here is there url www.hotelkunlun.com - contact them directly - they are open to negotiations. Email on res@hotelkunlun.com

I had an executive room booked there Aug 29 to Sept 1 for RMB1156 including ALL service charge and breakfast - much lower than advertised rates - and a great price for a 5 star hotel in Beijing. (I did eventually stay at China World because they had a summer special running - Executive Suite - stay 3 nights - pay for 2)

Have fun.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Just a quick report guys on the lay of the land as I saw it.

Regular visitor to Beijing - regular haunts - usually starts with dinner at The Den, a visit to Pig, onto Hollywood or HRC, then to Maggies.

The Den looked so so quiet in terms of hookers - I was in there 3 of the 4 nights in town - never past 10 - but still very few hookers around. Previously there was always a sprinkling of Russian and Chinese - but not this time.

The Pig still the same - early 'arrivers' from Mongolia who ply their trade here - if they don't pick up here you will see them all in Maggies later. A chance to grab a sweet young thing if they take your fancy though.

As for the Chinese girls in The Pig - they get older and uglier by the month. One sweet 20yo Chinese girl I picked up in shopping centre below China World Hotel 2 years ago told me she consistently tried to work the Pig but the ugly old Chinese hookers keep driving the young ones away - maybe true - maybe not - but when you see the Chinese hookers there is is very believable.

Hollywood - I went to Hollywood 3 nights - but did not take out any night. This place is so UNBELIEVABLE. I thought quality of girls down a bit on other years - maybe just me. Prices so rigid with the Russians, Uzbeks etc - RMB800 short time - no kissing - no BBBJ - fuck that - Billy would rather settle for a Mongolian.

HRC - as I mentioned in an earlier post - NO Chinese girls in HRC this period. Maybe 5-6 Russian girls working here - I took 2 Ruskies on seperate visits - both RMB800 1 pop - kissing and BBBJ included after serious negotiations - 1 with short brown hair I think name Natalie was fantastic - the other - blonde Yulia was very poor performer. These is a little gem amongst the Ruskies here - black headed Lana - have had her 2 previous times - treat her well and she will give you a performance to remember.

Maggies - what can I say - second best bar in the world - only bettered by Help in Rio. Still amazing how prices have increased and 'overall' quality decreased over last 5 years - still best value in town though.

Took a sweet young thing from here each night, Belge night 1, Cathaina night 2, Amanda night 3 and NFI what the name of the last one was. First 3 were just gems - 20-23yo - perfect tight hard bodies - total GFE - no name on final night was a disaster - did not even know she was so drunk until I got her back to hotel.

RMB800 each girl - all asked 1200 or more first up - keep in mind guys that RMB800 is STILL the ceiling price - do not pay more. As for 'overall' quality in Maggies - I have no doubt in saying it HAS slipped dramatcally over the years. BUT - there are still gems to be had if you sort the wheat from the chaff.

Have fun guys - hopefully back in town in November.

[South Gate]

This is Further Left who would like to find an hour of fun away from wife and tour group. If you take subway to Muxidi, walk back (east) on Fuxing Men Avenue to Er Qi Ju Chang Avenue, turn left, walk about 100 meters until you see the rotating foot massage pole on the right and go in there, you dont need to speak Chinese and you can get a lovely lady to provide BBBJ for 400RMB in a pretty clean environment. However, that will take you probably about 90 minutes from when you leave the hotel to when you return.

I do not recommend going to the other places I posted. They would be difficult without some Chinese and would take more time. Also, as Bad Boy says, not very clean.

[Badboy27]

Met an American guy in Beijing who got ripped off by the scam artists. He was approached by 2 pretty college students who happened to want to practice their English with him. They took him to a near by traditional Chinese tea shop. The guy was apparently unware of the bill that was to follow. Both of the women ordered a gift for themselves without first asking him and. Well bought a gift for HIM too. Bill was 6340 RMB! Poor fellow was forced to pay. Incident happened near the touristy street of WanFuJing. Later those girls wanted to take him to a KTV and dinner. He ofcourse refused. Always ask 'how much? ' before going anywhere with woman.

[Johnny Chan]

I have a newbie question that I've yet to find the answer to. I went to a KTV in Beijing (Qian Gui) and another one in Nanjing (Melody) recently with some non-mongering friends. Although we did not ask for Xiao Jie, I had thought that the manager would at least ask us if we wanted some. I also walked around each place but did not see any walking around. So my question is, do all KTVs have Xiao Jie? And if not, how to you differentiate between the two types of KTVs?

[K Zero]

Wang Fu Jing, tea house, art students.......*shrug*

What can I say?

[Badboy27]

Yes. But it's worth metioning to the newbies coming here because they may not know that "tea" can cost them $650 if they have their gurds off. Be wary off students asking to practice their English or a guy on the street asking you to go to a KTV where your beer may be 40 RMB but what they will not tell you is that the drink for your woman could be in thousands and not to mention that she will gulp that cocktail faster than you can taste your beer and then there will be a long line of people asking tips from you.


Wang Fu Jing, tea house, art students.......*shrug*

What can I say?

[Sebastian My]

The Pig still the same - early 'arrivers' from Mongolia who ply their trade here - if they don't pick up here you will see them all in Maggies later. A chance to grab a sweet young thing if they take your fancy though.

As for the Chinese girls in The Pig - they get older and uglier by the month. One sweet 20yo Chinese girl I picked up in shopping centre below China World Hotel 2 years ago told me she consistently tried to work the Pig but the ugly old Chinese hookers keep driving the young ones away - maybe true - maybe not - but when you see the Chinese hookers there is is very believable.

Hollywood - I went to Hollywood 3 nights - but did not take out any night. This place is so UNBELIEVABLE. I thought quality of girls down a bit on other years - maybe just me. Prices so rigid with the Russians, Uzbeks etc - RMB800 short time - no kissing - no BBBJ - fuck that - Billy would rather settle for a Mongolian.



I checked out out the pig last night and felt the quality was better than last month. A few very pretty (but not gorgeous) Chinese girls early in the evening followed by the standard horde of Mongolians - some of which were the best i have seen in a while (and yes, they were all at maggies by midnight). However i must admit no model types. There were a lot of guys so the girl-guy ratio was not so great, but i have found this tends to attract the girls so you need to tolerate it. This is also why the pig can be terrible during week-nights. (Billy - This could be why you did not have a good time at the Pig, as i do agree there are a lot of ugly girls at the pig) I would class last night as my 3rd best evening i have ever had at the pig - but beware of the pricing structure - there is a lot of creative selling going on these days so make sure you don't pay too much.(Of course always be generous if the service is great*)

As for Hollywood - i will check it out this evening but have been told by my contacts there a few new girls in town - one very tall one with an absolutely gorgeous face - however she is very very thin so if big boobs are your thing – not a good choice. As for the GFE comment – i agree in principal, but once you get a relationship going with these girls they can be great, once you factor in the fact its always a chance when you bring back a new girl. My gf has gone home to vladivostok – boo-hoo – now to find someone new. (She never let me go to Hollywood when we were together – so i have not been for 3 months – looking forward to checking out the place again.)

After Checking out Hollywood : Yes almost the entire contingent of girls have refreshed - which is both good (get to try new talent) and bad (i know no-one and need to go through the whole relationship building experience again). The girl/guy ratio was rather bad (saturday evening) but in my opinion the fewer girls that were their were of a high standard. The models are back in town - about 2 very gorgious ones and a couple of lesser (but still nice ones).

* = I have a theory that if you negotiate the lowest up front price, and provide a few hints you will tip if the service is good, and do so if the service is good – then you can train the girls to provide you with a GFE each time you see them. I have tried this with the Russian – and it works really well in most case. I wonder if this approach works with the Chinese girls. I must ponder and research this once i get sick of Russians.

[Great Wall]

www.hotelkunlun.com - contact them directly - they are open to negotiations. Email on res@hotelkunlun.com
Have fun.They permit foot massage and head & shoulder massage by ladies but not body massage. That is what they told me.

[South Gate]

I have had a similar experience three years ago, the first time I came to BJ. It was late and jet lag and a persistent hard on kept me awake. So I took a walk down to WFJ. Lo and behold, the students approached me to practice their English. I was hungry for some dumplings and for the students' xiao mei mei. I asked them where I could offer them something to eat. "No problem, just down the street." The only place open at that time was a kind of dark club/bar place. Fortunately, I smelled a rat when I saw another gullible foreigner arguing about his bill. I told the students I wanted to go to another restaurant. They were very upset, like too upset and I knew something was up so I just packed off.

Be careful about those cute students.

[Overcome888]

After numerous trips to Beijing over the past few months. here is my report:

Maggies: Remains the premier location for scoring. However, there is a difference between the girls who are employed by the bar to increase average cuetomer spend,and the girls who actually put out (for a fee). Let me explain. A number of the girls are actually paid by the bar (who knows on what formula) to keep the punters happy and to buy drinks.Typcally these are local (Chinese) girls.

Take-outs are normally Mongolian. Hey - wait a moment. These girls can be stunning, sexy, and an absolute delight. Recently I took out a Mongolian girl (her name means sister in the native so I am none the wiser) who was a student in Mongloia's police academy (eat you heart out Eddie Murphy) and in BJ for 3 days. Saw her, captivated by her looks and skirt (man, I am a sucker for skirts vs jeans). Negotiated with her older sister (!!) and for RMB 1000 took her back to my hotel (dammit 30 mins) for a good seeing-to. Amazing pussy. One of those ones where the entrance is as tight as you could imagine, but inside is like sticking your dick out the window (found this out by sticking in the digit not the cock).

Anyway, a great 2 hours. DATY (a personal favourite), lots of straight f**ng in a variety of positions, etc. Finished .... some non verbal comminication (dammit but Mongolian is a wierd languge - don't know whether to be impressed or repulsed) - but the deed is done.

Came 3x that night (thanks, Cialis). Totally satisfied, despite having to concentrate on her pussy entrance (yummy) vs the length (hello ... anyone at home?).

Can't wait t go to Ulan Bator and get a body cavity search by the local constabualtory.

[k__rat]

As for Hollywood - i will check it out this evening but have been told by my contacts there a few new girls in town - one very tall one with an absolutely gorgeous face - however she is very very thin so if big boobs are your thing – not a good choice. I've seen this girl and been tempted. She is one of Galya's girls which means you'll negotiate with Galya (the "boss"). Galya doesn't negotiate actually, she's very firm - 800RMB one pop (or one hour), 1600RMB for 3 hours, 2400RMB for all night. This particular girl came off a bit frosty to me, but your mileage may vary.

I have been fortunate enough to sample a few of Galya's girls and while I don't care for Galya's attitude her girls are by and large terrific. I can highly recommend Elena and Irina as both being very attractive and fun, though very different. Elena is a quiet but intense GFE and Irina is much more of a "naughty romp" experience. Elena is perhaps a little more accomodating (did some BBBJ for extra) but Irina was down for DFK and Elena was not. Neither really cares for DATY. Both of them are real sweethearts (and under 25). Please treat them right as it'll be a real shame when they take on that grim cast that they all seem to get after awhile. Seems inevitable to me but if we take good care of them then perhaps we can delay its onset.

My favorita of the crew though is Natalya (aka Natasha). Hopefully I'll be with her tonight. She's pretty, just like the rest of Galya's girls but has a more vivacious sparkle in her eye (she's only 21) . I would classify her as "impish". Natalya and I really hit if off well and formed some kind of psychic connection the first night we met. I've seen her several times since. She is so sweet that I actually paid the 2400 to have her stay the night and felt like I got my money's worth. Felt like I was bonking the babysitter :) We didn't bonk all night but it was still GFE all the way. I'll be calling her in a little while here so don't bother looking for her in the club tonight ;)

I would say if you go with any of Galya's girls to a) treat them right and b) consider tipping if service is good. Galya takes a large cut from these girls. Also please post if you manage to work a deal with Galya. I'm too old to hang out till 2am at hollywood so I've just made the deal and gone (realistically I've spent more than 800RMB any number of times at strip clubs in the US and walked out with far, far less). I don't think she'll negotiate but perhaps after 1 or 2am she'd consider it.

All of the girls seemed happy to be seeing a westerner instead of a chinese guy, so treat them with kindness and respect and you'll be repaid in full.

This information will be dated soon, I'm sure, but I think Galya brings in a new crew every once in awhile, so if you're reading this in the future it may be worth finding her at the club and asking her to introduce you to her girls.

[Sebastian My]

I've seen this girl and been tempted. She is one of Galya's girls which means you'll negotiate with Galya (the "boss"). Galya doesn't negotiate actually, she's very firm - 800RMB one pop (or one hour), 1600RMB for 3 hours, 2400RMB for all night. This particular girl came off a bit frosty to me, but your mileage may vary. I have been fortunate enough to sample a few of Galya's girls and while I don't care for Galya's attitude her girls are by and large terrific.

I would say if you go with any of Galya's girls to a) treat them right and b) consider tipping if service is good. Galya takes a large cut from these girls. I don't think she'll negotiate but perhaps after 1 or 2am she'd consider it.

All of the girls seemed happy to be seeing a westerner instead of a chinese guy, so treat them with kindness and respect and you'll be repaid in full.

This information will be dated soon, I'm sure, but I think Galya brings in a new crew every once in awhile, so if you're reading this in the future it may be worth finding her at the club and asking her to introduce you to her girls.

Yes i saw the girls last night and they were very nice. I know the mama-san (chubby blond girl, looks about 35+ to me), although never bothered to get her name. She does bring very nice looking girls into town on a regular basis - normally coming into winter, so she is in town a bit early. I agree about the frosty attitude - but i am sure being a mama-san is not a very easy job and most of the other mama-san's are similar. (Actually the other mama-sans i know are all former Hollywood girls - i wonder if galya was also?).

I always treat the girls with respect and have no issue with paying more for good service, so rest assured.

The western v Chinese thing is a bit harder to fathom. All my regulars have told me they prefer western guy - possibly because we do tip them more, but another reason is we have no trouble taking them into a hotel. Its not uncommon of a Chinese guy to be unable to get the girl in the hotel, thus there is no business. On the other hand sometimes the girls will not go with a western guy when you first approach them (had a few last night) - i do not know the reason. Normally the girls who refuse western guys just hang around the bars making no effort, so perhaps they are simply lazy. I do know the girls do not like Russian guys - so if they think you are Russian you may have issues. (I stupidly use to speak with them in broken-Russian when i first discovered this place and got no-where - now i use my best Brit accent and get further, but still get an occasional rejection)

The negotiation thing is normal - coming into winter the pop turns into RM1000 - i have no idea why, perhaps less girls, although i never noticed less girls in winter. On the other hand long-time drops to a simple RM2000 in winter. Russians normally coming to Beijing to escape the winter, so there is normally always a good supply.

I would seriously doubt Galya will negotiate. Your best chance of getting more service is to start a relationship with the girl, take them out to dinner and then back to your room. If they like you they will ask the mama-san for a day off to be with you - as long as you treat them right and give them at least some money - you can get the closest thing to a freebie with these girls possible. But the girls rarely get any days off until they have paid off most of their debt - so in the first 6 weeks - forget it. Also, if business is good (as it is now) forget it.

I think you have done the correct thing, get the number of someone you like and just ring her up when you feel the need. Sometimes they appreciate an early dinner - i normally meet them at 6:30pm - have dinner and either bring them back to my room at 9pm, or let her go to work with a lot of taxi money. However this tactic only works if you are in town for at least a week and spend all your time Russian hunting.

K_Rat - You should enable your PM, some of my above comments may not be too interesting for the over-all community, so i normal PM short specific stuff rather than do a whole posting. (It also keeps my Posting total down - if it gets too high folks may think i am some sort of long-term sicko deviant and i have found the truth always hurts.)

[Great Wall]

Certainly it is an upscale and quality place in Beijing. You get value for the money spent.

Is there anyother such place in Beijing?

[Bad Boy Billy]

I had read a bit about "Absent" night club in here - and the thought that I might be able to snare an 'African lady' - Billy finally found his way to 'Absent' or 'Absentia' as listed on earlier posts.

It was a Wedenesday night when I went there right on midnight - 4 Russian 'students' sitting at bar talking to the Russian lady bartenders - I inquired as to their intentions that night and all clearly indicated they were only there for adrink.

Nothing else at all there so I left and went straight to Maggies.

Card for 'Absent' attached. Maybe it would be better Friday or Saturday if you guys want to try.

Also saw that Suzie Wongs has a 'ladies night' on Wednesday night I think it was. Having been to Zapatas in Shanghai for 'ladies night' I thought it would be a great idea - but alas - as you enter they divide the crowd - 'ladies' into main area - others up to roof top until 'ladies night' finished - fuck that - Billy left early - what a waste of time.

[Bigboy22]

Heard of there is a Night Club called Passion's. Is there anybody who can provide more information on that place? I was told it is a very expensive place. How expensive is it? I'll try it with my customer sometime.

[Sebastian My]

Heard of there is a Night Club called Passion's. Is there anybody who can provide more information on that place? I was told it is a very expensive place. How expensive is it? I'll try it with my customer sometime.

The old Passion's closed down almost 2 years ago. The club in its place i have been told is a legitimate night club. If this is what you want just ask the taxi to take you to the Great Wall Sheraton. If what you want is something less legitimate but similar, i would suggest going to the Diamond Age Club, if you do a search you will quickly get its location. As for cost, it depends what you wish to do. KTV or take-out - but i can testify its not cheap, although i have to admit the girls are very nice and there is a good supply of english speaking girls on tap.

[OldAsiaHand]

Passion always had the best looking girls I have seen in all of China. I still remember a near 10 I did for 1,500 ST. The most I have ever paid, but could not resist. The service sucked, but just looking at this gorgeous thing was worth it. Are there any clubs in Beijing with that sort of quality of talent nowadays?


The old Passion's closed down almost 2 years ago. The club in its place i have been told is a legitimate night club. If this is what you want just ask the taxi to take you to the Great Wall Sheraton. If what you want is something less legitimate but similar, i would suggest going to the Diamond Age Club, if you do a search you will quickly get its location. As for cost, it depends what you wish to do. KTV or take-out - but i can testify its not cheap, although i have to admit the girls are very nice and there is a good supply of english speaking girls on tap.

[K Zero]

After finishing 6 Okamoto Purex (Silk in the report, Purex is the correct English name, I think) and 5 Okamoto Crown. I feel that I needed to add a follow-up to my initial report.

It has been about 3 weeks since I started to formulate my report, which I went through about 6 Okamoto Purex, 5 Okamoto Crown and 3 Durex Featherlite (Pink). Some of these were used on SW, where most of them were distributed between my Long Term GF and my fuck friend that recently decided to come back to Beijing (left 3 yrs ago).

During my testing, when I use the Okamoto condoms, maybe it was the "newness" and "funness" that shielded me from the conclusion I am about to make. Basically, after all the fog had settle, I came to see the true faults of the Okamoto condoms I used. This time, I not only use them, but I actually open the packs and pull them out to carefully examine them.

Firstly, they are WAY too dry. I am not sure why the lubricant on these condoms are so few. I've gone to the extent to see the expiry date, nope, 2009 it says. So, after longer period of using it, I have to say Okamoto condoms failed in the lubricant part.

Secondly, on 2 occasions, while wanting to put the Okamoto Purex condom on, the "rolling" part got stuck. At first, I thought it was the size of the condom that is too small (these 2 times was me being VERY aroused, might be coincidence). But after careful inspection, I found that some layers of the condoms got stuck with other layers before they were unfolded. No idea how it got there, but it happen, never had it with Durex.

Thirdly, basically, for me, I think my pleasure got from sex is directly proportional to the pleasure my woman partner is having. Which is the more they contract (climax) the more I enjoy my experience (both physical and psychological). Of these 2 girls that I tried on, both told me that Okamoto did not feel as good as the Durex. I asked them how differently. Both of them could not give me a clear answer, so, decided to ask the questions myself, and here is the conclusion:

"My penis with Okamoto condoms felt like being fucked by a dildo, while the Durex felt closer to my real penis."

I've fuck both of them bareback before. Maybe it is this new material called "Sherlon" that Okamoto uses. Where Okamoto is really smooth on the surface (like dildo), Durex's surface might not be so smooth (like our human skin).

So, although Okamato looks a lot better than Durex on paper (technology and numbers). At the end, I am going back to Durex.

Happy hunting.

[Popp Master]

My friend amd I will be travelling to Beijing at the beginning of October. This is the first time that we will be there. We are looking for some nice places to monger.

Reading this forum, I have come very often to 2 names: Hollywood and Maggie´bar. Could someone let us know what kind of bars (i.e. are there some ladies there and the prices) and where they located (does any taxi driver know these places ?)

Could someone suggest us other places to go?

Appreciate your help a lot.

[Popp Master]

Quote: original from Bad Boy Billy

"Regular visitor to Beijing - regular haunts - usually starts with dinner at The Den, a visit to Pig, onto Hollywood or HRC, then to Maggies."

Could someone explain me what do Den, Pig and HRC mean please.

Thank you.

[SidTheSexist]

As Im feeling good today, I'll give you one.
HRC = Hard Rock Cafe
Den = RTFF
Pig = RTFF
:D
Sid

[Sebastian My]

My friend amd I will be travelling to Beijing at the beginning of October. This is the first time that we will be there. We are looking for some nice places to monger.

Reading this forum, I have come very often to 2 names: Hollywood and Maggie´bar. Could someone let us know what kind of bars (i.e. are there some ladies there and the prices) and where they located (does any taxi driver know these places ?)

Could someone suggest us other places to go?

Appreciate your help a lot.

It may be more useful if you indicate what you are looking for, it will help narrow down the choices, but the following url gives you a list of places with a short comment on each;
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=498425#post498425
As for locations - no, unfortunatly most taxi's will have no ideas where most of these places are. I have attached a map with the two establishments you are looking for.
For a more detailed breakdown of what is on offer, costs, etc - this varies so its better to do a search, or the more typical nomenclature of RTFF.

Hollywood, while there are some very nice girls in town, the number is down and the number of customers is high - so if you go their pick a girl and move in on her quick, before she gets taken by another punter.
Maggies, there is a bunch of very new and nice mongolians in town - short, thin and with very nice faces.
If you are unfamiliar with the bejing scene, you may want to start with the mongolians. The Russians can be scary if you are not use to them, and especially if you are asian. (However once you get them into your room, they are anything but scary).

[One Eyed Man]

I've been searching the Forum for comments about the girl-friendliness of the Great Wall Sheraton, and they've been decidedly mixed (but more negative than positive). Does anyone else care to comment? Is there any way to get around the security people into letting you (and your friend) in? The Sheraton belongs to my chain of choice, where I get maximum perks, so I'd like to stay there, if possible.

Here is a sampling of comments:


Totally forget Sheraton AND Novatel brands.


Great Wall Sheraton has always been one of the hardest hotel to bring girls back into


I used to stay at the Great wall Sheraton but they have become really hard assed about taking girls after 11 PM.


I was in Beijing last week, Hilton and Sheraton were girl friendly, The St Regis was not.


after I arrived at the Sheraton Great Wall for my 1st night at Beijing. It turned out it is very difficult to bring girl into your room even at 9:00pm.


Was staying at the Grand wall sheraton for 1 night... It was about 10 pm and no one stopped us in the hotel lobby.


I agree it is very difficult to bring girls into hotel. Stay at the Landmark across the street. Cheaper and just as nice. Girls no problem.


By the way, on a side note, the Sheraton Great Wall does not appear to be girl friendly these days. I now have a regular semi-freebie (willing to be free, but helping her out anyway) who I invited up to my room. She was chased away by the guards. I came down and took her to the lounge/bar for a few drinks. Then we got up and went directly to the elevators. The guard approached, but I shot him a look, and he backed off.


I recently stayed at the Sheraton Great Wall ... I waited in my room, then the phone rang. Security were being difficult.


Never I had problems there in receiving visitors to my room and spending night having fun.


I was at the GW Sheraton, had three visitors, and no problem at all entering the hotel or the elevators.


Hotels tend to be girl friendly or not based on location and desired reputation. I think GW Sheraton is unfriendly because of the old Passion Bar - they did not wish to be seen as a den of illicit behaviour. I can say with conviction that Kerry Centre, Traders, China World, Grand Hyatt are all girl friendly - while GW Sheraton is not.


I had security guards try (emphasis on try) to give me a hard time on 2 consecutive nights bringing different girls in. I bulled my way past them, but I could see where someone might be intimidated. Lord knows the girls are. I had to cajole both to even come into the GW Sheraton as the know they are in for a hassle.


I have often taken girls to my room in Sheraton GW. You just need to register them at the front desk, but they have never charged me for it. Only take Mongolian girls though.

[John Lee]

Can anyone share your experience with girls from Asian Friend Finder?

Do girls look for fun or long term commitment?

[South Gate]

My best friend in China answered my ad on Asian Friend Finder. She now lives with me in Beijing. I think most of the women there are looking for more than one night stands and many are looking for husbands. Dont think there are pros there but not sure.

[Sebastian My]

Once again i find myself in a melancholy mood, suitable for monger philosophising. This time its the illusion women create with their clothing, make-up and of course lighting. I am in yet another Russian hunting mood, with my normal target being what i like calling the porno girls or the good-attitude girls. The Porno girls normally hang around in tight jeans and very skimpy tops, with exposed mid-drifts, and can be a bit chubby. They typically are well endowed - Da U fan or 大乳房 - and love gyrating like crazy when they see a possible client. The good attitude girls are normally quiet and seem shy and will smile or even say hello when you walk pass them.
For my first selection i picked up a porno type and low and behold when i saw her in my room i would have to class her as a model type. 170cm, very thin, lovely face which was covered by the excessive make-up Russian often apply. Firm, large Champaign breasts with nipples decadently pointing slightly upwards. Her fellatio skills were not great, but she was rather tight and did make all the correct noises, so i have to say her skills were acceptable (not great mind you). She was actually a Uzbek girl, but racially as WASPish as Oliver Cromwell, so i prefer to refer to her as Russian.
After this bit of good fortune i decided i would do what i normally never do at Hollywood, try the model types. I was prepared for a bad experience so my expectations were set very low, but i was determined to select the most model type girl i could find. It did not take me long to spy a very tall, thin lady with legs as tall as most Chinese guys i know. She was wearing the classic short black party dress and looked the model type, except for the hair do. I notice Russians, like older American women, like to force their hair into unnatural shapes using hairsprays and sadistic hairdressers. A true model has long straight hair, my selection did not, but it was only a minor problem. Once she got into my room and showered, my model was gone and i had what i would class was a porno type with a good attitude. Her skills were good, although she was either too well lubricated or a bit too loose for my taste, but this was only a minor problem.
So i was left pondering, what is happening here. Why is it the women i start out with in Hollywood changes into a totally different creature once you get their gear off.
I suppose the barbaric sub-optimal lighting conditions at Hollywood contributes to this situation. I feel i need to get some imaging intensification equipment from my friends in the British army to help identify my quarry – although walking around with 5kg of electronics on your head may make people think i am a total idiot – or really cool.
However the clothing the women select for themselves will, contribute to this confusion. My model type probably dressed up like a porno type to look less scary to the local Chinese guys. But my porno type probably dressed up as a model type to hide her imperfections and show off her assets – great legs. Wearing jeans would of reduced her appeal. So how can you get behind this camouflage to identify the real women underneath. After thinking about this carefully and by my 5th beer i came to the following conclusions.
1.If a women is wearing something which is hiding part of her body, she is doing it for a reason.
2.If a women is wearing something which shows off part of her body, she is doing it for a reason.
3.Women wearing black are harder to see, thus may be hiding more than women wearing white.
4.Try and gauge body height, less shoes. Tall women may look thin, but may actually be not. Short women may look chunky, but may end up not being chunky.
5.Silhouette is important (and in Hollywood may be the only way you can see a girl). Use the silhouette to gauge body shape, breast size and facial features.
6.If you have poor eyesight – wear your glasses. No point impressing the girl with your great looks.
7.Pick a spot where the light is behind your back. Like the Japanese zero pilots who always attacked from the sun, keep the lights behind you. After all its more important that you can see the girl than vica versa – anyway, these women are all young and have excellent eyesight. So far all the girls i selected know me by sight and can accurately identify how may times i had been to Hollywood and which girl i previously selected – so they don't need to have a good view of you. (I am sure they use telepathy).
So next time you go out, remember that winning or losing is all about identifying the target accurately and then closing in for the catch – banzai.

[Eaglestar]

Can anyone share your experience with girls from Asian Friend Finder?

Do girls look for fun or long term commitment?

John,

As many here know, I am not a true monger in that I use AFF almost exclusively. Had some damn good luck there.

In answer to your question, most (I'd venture 85-90%) are looking for more than a quick drill. In fact to get on in the sack on the first date is fairly uncommon unless you have really chatted her up for a while.

Now, having said that, I have posted some here who are just party girls and only want a nice hard drill. Long term with most of these is only over night. I don't think I have ever run across what some might would call a "semi pro" on AFF though.

Generally speaking you need to chat with most of the AFF ladies for a while (maybe 2-3 weeks in some cases) and raise their comfort level. They want to feel like they can justify boinking you and still say they are a "traditional Chinese Lady". That phrase cracks me up, especially when they say immediately following that they are "Open Minded". I think the correct interpretation of that it is........"I will not sleep with you on the first date, but very likely I will on the second date."

I have had some excellent GFEs from AFF ladies. Some I have been doing for over two years.

[Koolie Chan]

My last few experiences at the Great Wall have been good and did not have any problem getting the girls up to the room (caveat is when its around 11pm-1am where guards are very strict).

I have had girls sent up to my room early (between 8pm - 10pm) and late (1am-2am), and even at the one time when was unsuccessful (this was at the 11pm-1am curfew time), had 2 or 3 girls come a-calling at my room later when they had finished their rounds (presumably they were already inside before the curfew, and their mama-san informed them of other willing clientele).

BTW, pimps are numerous outside the Great Wall or you may try walking to the right towards the Lufthansa building and checking out the talent by the roadside.

So far, my experience with the pimps have been very satisfactory, just need to make sure to bargain and reject if unacceptable.


I've been searching the Forum for comments about the girl-friendliness of the Great Wall Sheraton, and they've been decidedly mixed (but more negative than positive). Does anyone else care to comment? Is there any way to get around the security people into letting you (and your friend) in? The Sheraton belongs to my chain of choice, where I get maximum perks, so I'd like to stay there, if possible.

Here is a sampling of comments:

[Tonicma]

I am currently in Beijing. I would like to know if the girls Mongolian, Russian etc have their own places we can go to to do our business. I have read before that the Mongolian girls in Maggie's have their own places and that you can usually request that you go to their place to do the deed.

So does anybody have any experience with this and suggest if it is a wise decision or not (ie. theft, been conned etc)

I ask this because I live on campus and does not want to rent a room which may cost me 400 rmb per night and not be able to bring the girl in.

[Popp Master]

Quote:

"Den = RTFF
Pig = RTFF

Sid"

Hi Sid,

Always these abreviations. What is RTFF?

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[Alroy]

I have also had bad luck at the GWS -- it was in the curfew time period but all my pleading and requests in spite of being a Platinum guest did not work and they absolutely refused to let me tak ethe girl up. This happened about 3 or 4 times, however, I did have luck many other times usually earlier than 11 - I think that after 11 PM it will always be tough as I have seen women turned away right after 1 PM as well. So you may be lucky but you are probably better off at clearly safe hotels like Kerry Center or China World which are about the same price range. I will be in St Regis next week and I hope I have better luck and that I do not have to wait for a witching hour. I think the large number of FLs is what makes them so vigilant. I did get ripped off by a girl once at teh GSW and I am sure others did too.

Good Luck

[Popp Master]

Quote: original by Sebasitian My:

"It may be more useful if you indicate what you are looking for, it will help narrow down the choices, but the following url gives you a list of places with a short comment on each;

http://www.internationalsexguide.in...8425#post498425

As for locations - no, unfortunatly most taxi's will have no ideas where most of these places are. I have attached a map with the two establishments you are looking for.
For a more detailed breakdown of what is on offer, costs, etc - this varies so its better to do a search, or the more typical nomenclature of RTFF.

Hollywood, while there are some very nice girls in town, the number is down and the number of customers is high - so if you go their pick a girl and move in on her quick, before she gets taken by another punter.

Maggies, there is a bunch of very new and nice mongolians in town - short, thin and with very nice faces.

If you are unfamiliar with the bejing scene, you may want to start with the mongolians. The Russians can be scary if you are not use to them, and especially if you are asian. (However once you get them into your room, they are anything but scary)."

Thank you, Sebastian, your threads were a great help to me. Actually, I am Chinese but live in Europe. So I am in possession of the passport of a European country. As a Chinese face, will they let me enter into the discos or bars (like Hollywood or Maggie´s) or I need to show my passport ??

What we are looking for is to meeting some nice, stunning and decent Mogolian and/or Russian gals to bring them back into hotel. How much is the usual price for one pop in Beijing?

[Sebastian My]

Location, 88m west of the intersection of Chaoyangmennei Daijie and Chaoyangmenbei Dajie and is on the north side of Chaoyangmennei Daijie. Its very close to Chaoyangmen Railway station and a quick walk from that station. The club is off the street, but the signage is good.
Decor – Night club feel, dark, good music and generally has a good feel.
Comments – This is obviously set-up by a very local guy who is trying to make it look western and he has done a reasonable job. Not as professional as Babyface, but i prefer the less than professional places any day (I hang out in very unprofessional places on a regular basis).
Layout – Two floor, very small dance floor down stairs with lots of bar space and stools. Upstairs there are lounges which you can cuddle up with you favourite bar girl. It reminds me a bit of the old maggies, where you had lots of nooks and crannies to just have a cuddle and talk.
Service – There were lots of girls hanging around when i came in, i was told they will sit and drink with you for a small fee, about RM300. The drink costs are very low, so this is a sort of cross between a Bar One and a KTV. I am not sure if there were any providers or if the girls will go home with you, i suspect not. In my case i turned up with the secretary of the advertising company i am using in Beijing so i could not verify this. (Sill can't work out how this happened – i feel this is going to cause me a lot of trouble down stream – time to get out of town for a while i suspect).
Crowds – I turned up on a Tuesday evening, there were no customers. I have been told that the number of customer have been minimal, but then its very new and is only beginning to advertise. I only know about this place because one of the ex-passion girls now works in some form of promotion company for restaurants, bars, etc and she keeps me informed of any new places. So i suspect once you get a bit more advertising out, it will pick up. The only question remains if any providers or free lancers will turn up when the crowds come – we need to wait to se. But in the meantime if you want a really cheap drink and want some Chinese lessons for a small fee in a pleasant environment – its a good location. The only thing missing is, I just think it should get at least 1 pool table installed somewhere.

[SidTheSexist]

Quote:
"Den = RTFF
Pig = RTFF
Sid"
Hi Sid,
Always these abreviations. What is RTFF?
For Fuck sake. RTFWS - Read The Fucking Web Site

[Sammy_T]

Thank you, Sebastian, your threads were a great help to me. Actually, I am Chinese but live in Europe. So I am in possession of the passport of a European country. As a Chinese face, will they let me enter into the discos or bars (like Hollywood or Maggie´s) or I need to show my passport ??

What we are looking for is to meeting some nice, stunning and decent Mogolian and/or Russian gals to bring them back into hotel. How much is the usual price for one pop in Beijing?

Take a look at my Beijing FAQ at:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=397852&postcount=3283

Even though the report is old, I believe it is still represenative of the current scene in Beijing. Price really depends on several factors.

If you look Chinese you might have trouble getting into Maggie's (primarly Mongolians), but you should have no problem getting into Hollywood (primarly Russians).

Sammy

[Great Wall]

Actually there is no real massage but FS. Just RMB 100 above the listed price for 1 hour massage. Young and tight girls are there.

[Lao Ma]

Dude

a 400 rmb hotel is not going to have issues with you bringing girls back to the room - 99% of the time. It's just the 4 and 5 star ones that cater to foreign businessmen.

You live on campus, you should go for the hot and free college chicks. Why taint yourself with the full time hookers at Maggies ?

[Great Wall]

Men,

The WangJing Massage place is a tricky one to find. It is in the basement of an apartment block which also has a small KFC around the other corner. Not the big KFC on the main drag of Wang Jing though.

SidI think I didn't hit the right place. I found one MP in the basement of an apartment bldg with KFC on one corner but that was BBS and not a MP.

Would request for further landmarks around the place to spot it.

[Badboy27]

Was accosted by 2 college girls last evening near Trade center. One was model-type. They wanted to go to a tea shop. I suggested nearby Starbucks on the ground floor of tower one. Prettier one told me that no Chinese likes tea bag. They called me stingy. Their scam was trasparent. I said I was tired and wanted to get massage. I jokingly offered 2000 RMB for 2 hours massage. They talked in Chinese for a few minutes and to my disbelief they agreed but wanted 3000 each i.e. 6000 RMB. I refused. They began pressuring for dinner then to go to a KTV. I refused. I think 'English Practice' scam is getting very popular among college girls. Don't go to where THEY ask you to go. Rather propose Starbucks. Then coax them for a massage. I thought it was very possible to get a decent service at a reasonable rate from a clean college girl if you play your cards right. I wasn't in a mood spend any more time with them however, because a better looking chick was eyeing, listening and smiling. Got rid of the English Learners and picked the right stuff at the right price. Two Starbucks in the Trade Center are very good place to get semi-pros and normal girls IMO.

[SidTheSexist]

You cant be far off. Were you at the smaller KFC outside of the main street in wangjing? PM for the phone number and you can call them up for directions.

[Shanghaied2001]

Hi all,

Just moved to Beijing from Shanghai recently and I'ven been checking out some barber shops near my apt. There are a few girls in there and when I go in, they say they only offer a full body massage and nothing else. Coming from Shanghai, I would expect these barber shops to offer some other "services" but when I ask them if they offer any other service, they say no - only massage.

Now, is it true that they don't offer anything else or is it a hit or miss scenario? I went to these places around midnight and I stay around the Kerry Center area.

Thanks for your input on this guys.

[Sebastian My]

Was accosted by 2 college girls last evening near Trade center. One was model-type. They wanted to go to a tea shop. I suggested nearby Starbucks on the ground floor of tower one. Prettier one told me that no Chinese likes tea bag. They called me stingy. Their scam was trasparent. I said I was tired and wanted to get massage. I jokingly offered 2000 RMB for 2 hours massage. They talked in Chinese for a few minutes and to my disbelief they agreed but wanted 3000 each i.e. 6000 RMB. I refused. They began pressuring for dinner then to go to a KTV. I refused. I think 'English Practice' scam is getting very popular among college girls. Don't go to where THEY ask you to go. Rather propose Starbucks. Then coax them for a massage. I thought it was very possible to get a decent service at a reasonable rate from a clean college girl if you play your cards right. I wasn't in a mood spend any more time with them however, because a better looking chick was eyeing, listening and smiling. Got rid of the English Learners and picked the right stuff at the right price. Two Starbucks in the Trade Center are very good place to get semi-pros and normal girls IMO.

Absolutely did the correct thing - i typically do the come up to you room line as well - so far have never managed to get any of these girls into my room but one day, who knows. However i think it would be better to start at a lower price, say RM1000, for the initial offer. I would also try and break up the pair - i have found their is normally an aggressive one and a quiet one in each team - pick the quiet one - even if she is the less attractive one. If i have time i may try the "get the scam girl in my room" game, but i have to admit you need lots of time and i suspect energy. If anyone has managed to bonk any of these girls please let us know - the thought has its attractions. I also think they may not actually be students?

I was actually thinking about this scam a few days ago and suspect that the "take me to the tea shop" line has evolved from the older art student scam from around wangfujing. When i first encountered an art student who wanted to take me to see art i agreed and low and behold, there was art to buy. I ended up with a small picture which was rather good, but it was not a great deal. This was back in 1998 and ever since then when accosted i use to offer to buy a coffee for the girls to discuss this in more detail. Of course i was trying to see if any of the girls were willing to discuss art in my room and i have to admit not being successful. I suspect i may have not been the only person who has tried this - so perhaps the girls learned this laowai behavour pattern and modifed it to become a scam.

I use to take some of the passion girls to tea places around sanlutin, but the tea cost was reasonable and my only on-costs was normally a small gift of about RM200 max. This was back in 2002. However reading some of the posts it looks like the scam these days can cost up to RM6000 - which is rather amazing. So as has been indicated in this forum many times, beware. Its like one of my mongering rules - if it looks like its too good to be true - its too good to be true!

I have seen a new variatiuon of the tea shop scam around guomao - the I am hungry line. I suspect this is the same as the tea scam, but uses a resturant instead of a tea shop. The girls were not too attractive. I gave RM50 to the quiet girl, which drove the aggressive girl wild - she followed me for half a block until she gave up.

Anyway, i am off to Zhuhai for a month to escape my "chinese secretary mistake", my nickname for her is "dick vice" and my old fellow reminds me of a overcoooked german frankfurter - never again. I also think the lord is further punishing me, on the following evening i dropped by at Hollywood for ONLY a drink and to have a chat with my new russian friends, when low and behold my last winter russian gf is back. So the old fellow got another work out and it was agony. I just hope she thought the expression on my face was passion, rather than agony. I think i need about a month to recover. I feel watsons should consider selling some form of flexible latax dick cover to assist in healing. I must speak with my venture capitalist about this, may be a good business opportunity.

[Badboy27]

Absolutely did the correct thing - i typically do the come up to you room line as well - so far have never managed to get any of these girls into my room but one day, who knows. However i think it would be better to start at a lower price, say RM1000, for the initial offer. I totally agree. These chicks try to project us as super rich, successful foreigners who are careless with the money. Now when I have cast off the evil charm of the aggressive model-type, I think I should have offered her only 800 RMB without feeling embarrassed as that's the going rate anyway. After all, how much an average worker earns here ... Still getting the 'evil aggressive type' to bend over in your hotel room is an intriguing idea.

As for the Hollywood Russians, they have been asking 2400 in the hotel room and 800 for short time in their own house. I only like long-time in my hotel but the price seems rather steep. $300 is what we pay in Moscow for a much better looking one.

[samirzc]

I'm here in Beijing and went to the location to scope it out (everything was closed- 2 am). But I had a quick question, i saw 2 rotating foot massage poles on the right side. Is it the first one or the second? Any input would be appreciated.


This is Further Left who would like to find an hour of fun away from wife and tour group. If you take subway to Muxidi, walk back (east) on Fuxing Men Avenue to Er Qi Ju Chang Avenue, turn left, walk about 100 meters until you see the rotating foot massage pole on the right and go in there, you dont need to speak Chinese and you can get a lovely lady to provide BBBJ for 400RMB in a pretty clean environment. However, that will take you probably about 90 minutes from when you leave the hotel to when you return.

I do not recommend going to the other places I posted. They would be difficult without some Chinese and would take more time. Also, as Bad Boy says, not very clean.

[Lance Alot]

Whilst on a recent trip to Beijing I had the opportunity to visit, for the first time, the often quoted 'Pig and Thistle Bar'. I must thank the members for their previous contributions as the experience lived up to expectations.

The Saturday evening (about 9 pm) started well as I caught a cab in the Hai Dian district (the University district in the north-west of Beijing) and told the taxi driver “Li Du Fan Dian”. The driver immediately recognized the name and we arrived at the hotel shortly thereafter (costing about 50 RMB). A short walk through the ground floor shopping mall (towards the back of the hotel) found me at 'The Pig'. A first glance it was smaller than I expected, but it is a cozy place and already full of people (60% young ladies).

'The Pig' certainly lived up to its reputation as even before I reached the bar to order my first drink, there was a Chinese lady by my side introducing herself. And, even before that first drink arrived, I was being offered a massage. I was a little surprised that she was not pushing me to buy her a drink, which makes me suspect that unlike other bars in Asia; the ladies do not receive a commission for the drinks they sell. Maybe other members might like to add a comment on this point?

I decided I wanted to soak in the atmosphere rather than rushing off with the first lady that said hello, and spent the night chatting with a few of the other ladies. Overall I found the Chinese ladies polite but very direct and business oriented, which I found a pity as I do like to socialize a little before getting down to the business end of an evening.

Later on I met a young Mongolian lady (supposedly a University student in Mongolia, spending her summer in Beijing, earning money for her tuition fees) and found myself understanding why the members of the forum enjoy the company of the Mongolians. She was very engaging and made sure that she was good company. After a while she made her pitch and from my prior readings of the member’s reports it was exactly as described.

For those that are interested the pitch went something like this; 800 RMB and we could go back to her apartment. I just shook my head and she came back with "well what do you want to pay?" – so there was some room for negotiation. As an additional sweetener she suggested that her girlfriend (whom she pointed out in the bar) could also join us.

Overall the Pig and Thistle Bar lived up to its reputation, but it is not for the shy or faint-hearted as the young ladies make it clear that they are there to do business.

L.A.

Pig and Thistle Bar
The Holiday Inn – Lido Beijing
NO. 6 JIANGTAI ROAD CHAOYANG DISTRICT BEIJING
Hotel Front Desk: 86-10-64376688
北京丽都假日饭店(Li Du Fan Dian)
北京市机场路将台路

[SidTheSexist]

. If anyone has managed to bonk any of these girls please let us know - the thought has its attractions. I also think they may not actually be students?
Seb,
Im curious as to why you would like to take a girl to your room, who has been originally planning on taking you to a tea house and ripping you off for a few thousand RMB. God knows what sort of shit storm they could stir up if they, not only knew where you lived, but had actually been inside your place. These girls are obviously mixed up with some sort of gang as they will only see a mere fraction of the 3000rmb tea bill. Everyone knows the story now, that if you refuse to pay, a bunch of heavies will mysteriously appear. IMHO, they should be treat with contempt and looked upon as the scumbag thieves which they really are!!
Sid

[South Gate]

to samirzc and others interested, the places in this neighborhood (yuetan/san li he) cater primarilly to local middle class chinese men who go to sleep at about 11 pm or earlier. so these places will close before midnight. i visit them in the daytime or early evening. the place you were looking for, but was closed at 2 am, (next to the foot massage pole) will have several ladies just inside the door. if you peek in, they will eagerly ask you to enter. their meaning is pretty clear. i did not see but one foot massage pole on that street so i cant tell you if it the first or second.

[Great Wall]

You cant be far off. Were you at the smaller KFC outside of the main street in wangjing? PM for the phone number and you can call them up for directions.Yes on the road that goes to Lido area. In fact, I had got written small KFC in Chinese characters. Explored extensively but only BBS was found. Can't PM as don't have senior membership.

[Pier20]

Yesterday I got a phone call from a KTV girl I have taken back home several times before. “I have a friend who needs help, can you meet her?” she said, but didn’t want to tell me more as I was asking questions. As the place of the “friend” was a 5min drive from where I was when answering the call, I decided to go and check what kind of new scam this could be, or probably not be, maybe only a girl in need looking for some pocket money.

As I was waiting at the designated place, a girl entered my car: from Sichuan, 17, nicely shaped, so shy that she had nearly difficulties to answer my most basic questions. It took me nearly half an hour to figure out what the hell she could want. It turned out that she was selling her virginity for 5,000RMB!

I have no patience to teach, and I usually avoid such young things and all the problems that can come along, but most of all I didn’t have 5,000RMB to spend for that (even if I didn’t start any negotiation at all). I gave her a 50RMB tip for breaking her hope, and drove her back to her KTV.

I have been in China for a while, but I still have new unexpected experiences: that’s why I love this country.

[Lubertdas]

I'm spending a couple of weeks in Qingdao on business, and on the way back to the States, I'll have a long time between flights at the Beijing Airport.

On my last flight out of Beijing, I noticed that they have a Massage service on the second floor. Has anyone used this service, and do they offer any type of "Special Services"?

Thanks in advance,

LubertDas

[GlenEagle]

LubertDas,

No chance and the authority must be out of their mind if there is. This is the capital airport of China, I don't think you can find special services in any airports around the world.

Gleneagle


I'm spending a couple of weeks in Qingdao on business, and on the way back to the States, I'll have a long time between flights at the Beijing Airport.

On my last flight out of Beijing, I noticed that they have a Massage service on the second floor. Has anyone used this service, and do they offer any type of "Special Services"?

Thanks in advance,

LubertDas

[Homban]

This is Further Left who would like to find an hour of fun away from wife and tour group. If you take subway to Muxidi, walk back (east) on Fuxing Men Avenue to Er Qi Ju Chang Avenue, turn left, walk about 100 meters until you see the rotating foot massage pole on the right and go in there, you dont need to speak Chinese and you can get a lovely lady to provide BBBJ for 400RMB in a pretty clean environment. However, that will take you probably about 90 minutes from when you leave the hotel to when you return.

I do not recommend going to the other places I posted. They would be difficult without some Chinese and would take more time. Also, as Bad Boy says, not very clean.Unfortunately I didn't have time to try your suggestion and ended up just banging the missus. But thanks anyway for your help, South Gate, it gave me hope throughout the trip. And at least I was able to know what those barber poles meant as our bus drove past on its way to some big wall or other.

[Fickle]

LubertDas,

No chance and the authority must be out of their mind if there is. This is the capital airport of China, I don't think you can find special services in any airports around the world.

GleneagleNot true – Bangkok Airport offers special services, but the price is a little high there!

[Howlin Wolf]

Did a search. But couldn't find. Anybody know if Shangri-La in Beijing is girlfriendly?

[Howlin Wolf]

Did a search. Does anybody know if Shangri-La Beijing is girlfriendly?

[Bad Boy Billy]

Did a search. Does anybody know if Shangri-La Beijing is girlfriendly?

Mate I really have no knowledga as I have never stayed there

BUT

If it is anything like China World, Traders and Kerry Centre ALLof which are also operated by the Shangri-La group and are ALL 100% girl friendly then you will have no problem.

[Pier20]

I already knew Chinese have the gene for copy: as soon as there is a lucrative business, many will try their luck and do the same. I knew it from my work where I can see new competitors (with very similar products) appear every year, I also knew it from the numerous outcall service cards that are regularly left at my door.
But today I saw an innovation! An outcall service providing “SM menu” and a mysterious “E.D. Te Hu”. Does anybody know what the hell this E.D. can be?

For those interested, see the picture attached, the name of the service is “Happy time”, phone: 81240117, mobile: 13621185700.

[Iseeu]

had an unusual incident last night which deserves a report at what has become my personal sauna favorite here.

arrived yesterday afternoon, had my first meeting and dinner, then headed out to lido to get my feet wet. at the entrance i bumped into sammy t, who was well on his way to getting wasted and began surveying the crowd. there was one stunning girl with very healthy lungs, but a mean disposition. the rest were the regular pig crowd. i spotted a new face from se china, mary, and we began to hit it off until we got down to pricing. she refused to budge from 1k rmb and i refused to budge from 500 rmb for lt which is always my opening point. seeing that it was 10 p.m., the selection wasn't very good with no chance that it would improve, sammy t. had already cut out, and too early for maggie's, i too cut out and headed back to chun xiu lu.

first for all of those who have had trouble finding it despite the excellent instructions that have been posted many times, i remembered this time to write down the english letters that are over the entrance "ou lu jing kang hui suo".

let me be clear on 2 points before i begin: my mandarin ain't worth sh*t and this was my 4th visit there so i knew the drill. having first heard of it from those excellent posts. this visit turned surreal...

after my sauna, went to get my pajamas, and the guy at the locker, hands me a pair of long pajamas off a hanger and shows me the number 168 on the hanger, then asks me to sign a chit (mistake 1). tried to ask why, but the communication barrier prevented any meaningful communication. donned the pajama and headed up to the land of promise on the 4th floor. guy there walks me to a deluxe room then hands me another chit to sign for the room 90 rmb. i try to say that a normal room is ok, but after not getting anywhere, i just signed the chit figuring that another 30 rmb won't send me to the cleaners.(mistake 2)
handed me the services menu - price for the 5x (x's standing for 1) massage 2) rimming 3)bbbj 4) fire and ice 5) fs) has gone up to 840 rmb (or 168 per x). brings in small petite sp number 829 in a yellow dress (mistake 3). asks if she's ok - i ask if i can see some more options, which he misunderstood to mean she's ok. didn't bother to protest as she was cute and had a nice smile.

beginning was perfunctory massage, with special attention to my rim, but then i noticed that after every stage, she takes a small crib sheet from her purse to see what to do next. i didn't know that yellow dress means a trainee, nor was i told.
while doing the full body massage with her breasts she starts to moan like she is getting off, which seemed like a bit of overacting, but when she was doing the tongue bath thing i began to finger her and found that she was sopping (and i mean dripping) wet. she motions for me to turn over onto my back, but instead of beginning frontal massage like i expected, she stands over me, leans back on her hands and puts that yummy dripping pussy into my face. it was great, but i'm sure that wasn't on her crib sheet.
anyway this happened twice more- she begins a service, but before going to next stage, bends backwards and shoves her pussy into my mouth.
finally, i motion for her to lie back and finish her with my mouth before she asks me to finish in her in mish.
after we finish she just sort of lies next to me and doesn't continue the rest of the massage.
after awhile she hands me a chit, begins asking me questions "very good?" and begins a whole conversation, trying to get me to say yes to whatever she was asking. then she asks me to write my name again on her chit. when i sign once she looks at me like i'd just killed her pet cat. so i wrote my name twice.(mistake 4).
then she continues massage and cuddling with me, telling me that she loves me. now i know that i do a mean cunninlingus, but no one has ever professed everlasting love to me over it, so i'm a little suspect. she begins playing with iseeu jr. and after getting his full attention , points at the clock to show sorry not enough time, and asks if she should continue. figuring that we were about done without a 2nd pop, i motioned no. (mistake 5)

said goodbye to 829- she really was sweet and innocent- and went down to 3rd floor rest area for a smoke and drink. on the way down, had a peek at the sp's waiting area and got a glimpse of a full luscious lineup in their short tight white uniforms, so i 'm not sure why i got the trainee. they could have at least given her a faculty adviser. i love this place.

relaxed, got dressed and went to pay 998 rmb figuring on 48 (entrance)+840 (5x) + 90(deluxe room) + 2 drinks (20 rmb for 2 small bottles of bottled water- is this the hilton?). they hand me a bill for 1256 rmb - adding in 168 for the pajamas (which i certainly didn't want), and an additional 90 rmb for a 2nd hour in the room. put up a slight protest, but i realized that;
* the extras are as much my fault for not understanding the language, * signing all those unexplained chits was just stupid for an experienced monger,
* the extra 258 rmb isn't going to kill me,
* and i do love this place and want to be able to come back.

i've been there 3 times previously and each time came out under 900 rmb with no problems. has anyone else had a similar problem there with running up the bill? and being forced to take home the pajamas that i apparently purchased when i signed the chit, what should i do with them?

[SidTheSexist]

And being forced to take home the pajamas that I apparently purchased when I signed the chit, what should I do with them?
Take them with you the next time you go and save paying again :D:D:D
Sid

[Maztermac]

I've never had any problem with this sauna. The locker boy always tries to sell some expensive pjs to me, just say no and used the their free ones. Also if you go there regularly try to get a VIP card, then they waive the entrance fee.

[Iseeu]

Thanks Sid for the expert advice :-)

You should have seen the looks on the faces of the hotel staff when I sauntered in at 2 a.m. with a plastic bag and my pajamas...

I offered the pajamas to the chambermaid, who thanked me profusely. She's nothing to look at, so an ST with my chambermaid isn't an option but I have since gotten all the shampoo and body lotion that my family can use for the next 3 generations and 3 fruit baskets, so I guess the 168 RMB was a good investment.

[Ticktock]

Take them with you the next time you go and save paying again :D:D:D

SidI just stumbled across this post. OMG, that would be funny.

Also, your a nice guy Iseeu for handing them over to your the maid. But if you ever end up with another set of pajamas (which I hope doesn't happen, but if you do) this is a must try! Might even want to get some fancy tailoring done on them, like a dragon on back and "Iseeu" on the front :)

I like your attitude, Iseeyou. I think many of us in China have been hit up for random small stuff, but your right, 268rmb isn't a killer, just annoying. And in China, some seedier places will engage you in a fist-fight or worse, for less.

[Iseeu]

Narsus,
Do u think that I should ask the chambermaid for the pjs back, so I can go there tonight and make my point?
Looking at 1256 RMB for service like this which back home would easily cost me 5C's, even with the extra 258 RMB, I'm still way ahead.

Mazertac,
I have also never had a problem there which is why I wrote this report. Everything usually works amazingly efficiently. And wouldn't you know it, on this my fourth time there, following the dispute about the fee, the night manageress, awarded me with my own VIP card. I feel blessed.

[DrKnolle]

Can not really read the characters, written in unusual way to me.

The "TE" could be 特, meaning something like "special".

Never thought that my chinese lessons would bring me to half reading massage ad cards;)


I already knew Chinese have the gene for copy: as soon as there is a lucrative business, many will try their luck and do the same. I knew it from my work where I can see new competitors (with very similar products) appear every year, I also knew it from the numerous outcall service cards that are regularly left at my door.

But today I saw an innovation! An outcall service providing “SM menu” and a mysterious “E.D. Te Hu”. Does anybody know what the hell this E.D. can be?

For those interested, see the picture attached, the name of the service is “Happy time”, phone: 81240117, mobile: 13621185700.

[DrKnolle]

I had some problems there, but was all my fault after all.

At the time I went there for the first time, they had two "menus". Chinese and english translation. I had the english one, my buddy had the chinese version.

He is from HK and also learning simplified characters, so we switched to english menu and made our order.

Long story made short: the translation was wrong and cause confusion on my side, me thinking that they want to rip me off. After all it was settled in a very customer friendly and professional way. So still highly recommend the place.

I think they don't use the english menu any more now.


I've never had any problem with this sauna. The locker boy always tries to sell some expensive pjs to me, just say no and used the their free ones. Also if you go there regularly try to get a VIP card, then they waive the entrance fee.

[SidTheSexist]

Does the chun xiu lu sauna accept credit cards?
Do you have to have a sauna? :D
Sid

[Xiao Ma]

I've been searching the Forum for comments about the girl-friendliness of the Great Wall Sheraton, and they've been decidedly mixed (but more negative than positive). Does anyone else care to comment? Is there any way to get around the security people into letting you (and your friend) in? The Sheraton belongs to my chain of choice, where I get maximum perks, so I'd like to stay there, if possible.

Here is a sampling of comments:


Hi One eye,

Well i hv been a long term guest of Sheraton Great Wall

some tips for u

1. if you are westerner then its abit difficult to bring girl back after 11pm
2. if the girl dress too sexy or look like a pro, is oso difficult to bring them back after 11
3. if the girl look half your age, well good luck.....

now there are other option you can look into

1. When u check in, get 2 key cards, past one key card to the girl you need to bring back and tell them you name and room number.Dun arrive at the hotel in one cab, stop the cab at the first entrace of the hotel where it use to be the famos paasion club (dun know it is still there?) have the girl walk in alone with your key card and tell her to act normal, dun walk behind her. let her enter the lobby herself. those guys will notice that immediately.

2. As for day time gf that come back late with u, The girl shld change to a normal dress, look decent at least and have her hold some document or office bag, when walk in to the lobby.......please please no hold hand so they will think she work for you.

I have not been back to China for a long time and as an asian I hv no problem but there were once my lover in beijing was stop to enter the lift alobe after 11pm but got her way cos she can speak american english. Another time was a young student that came in alone after 11pm but she have a briefcase and wear decent, she was not stop.

anyway i hope this help

Miss China so so much..................

[Xiao Ma]

Did a search. Does anybody know if Shangri-La Beijing is girlfriendly?

rules are the same as the post for one eyes...........

[seeknewss]

Hi One eye,

1. When u check in, get 2 key cards, past one key card to the girl you need to bring back and tell them you name and room number.Dun arrive at the hotel in one cab, stop the cab at the first entrace of the hotel where it use to be the famos paasion club (dun know it is still there?) have the girl walk in alone with your key card and tell her to act normal, dun walk behind her. let her enter the lobby herself. those guys will notice that immediately.

Miss China so so muchOne way is alight at the first entrance (which is not Hotel main entrance), walk in and look right to take the escalator (besides the old Passion) up to the second floor and walk over to the hotel side and take the lift from there.

[SidTheSexist]

I was chatting with a Mongolian friend who I have had business with in the past. She was telling me that she only works 2-3 nights a week now as she has signed up for a class and 6 nights a week was getting too much. She told me that she still makes between 15-20K rmb per month. Yikes!!! Thats a whole lot of cash for a student!!
Sid

[South Gate]

In prior posts, I have described places west of Tianmen where sexual services are available. Yesterday, I continued in my quest for the best fuck in the west. Didnt find it yet but here is what I did find.

Take the subway to Xidan, one stop west of Tianmen. Cross under Chang An Jie (big east west avenue that runs in frong to the Forbidden city) to the south side and walk west until you pass the Brazilian roast meat restaurant on your left (not a bad place for roast meat). A little farther, you will pass another restaurant on your left which in Chinese brags about specializing in dog meat.

At the next street, turn left (no street sign that I could see). Walk about 50 to 100 meters. On your left, you will see a couple of barber shops. Cute, vivacious Hunan girls work there(You guys would probably call them 8s) and offer full service for 300. One offered me bbbj but that was after I had finished with her friend and did not want a second shot.

There are more barber shops further down the street and on a cross street to the left and/or right (cant remember which). I did not try these other places but they looked promising.

One limitation of the place I went to was the sense of insecurity (small back room with no lock and its door clearly visible thru glass street doors which had to be locked first). Makes the whole thing rushed.

Good news is the girls are eager, attractive and will go to your place if you like.

[Pro Hunter]

Have not been to YanSha shopping mall for some time, and hope all the SiChuan girls are still active there, mostly outside the mall and at the back of Kempinski hotel and the beer house.

Still remember a very cute and small girl call Zhao Xue or shirley or lily in english name, but lost contact with her. She is about 23, short with long hair. Pls update me on her and the situation at Yansha or Lufthansa shopping mall, next to hard rock cafe if you are still active there.

Appreciate and enjoy!

[Pro Hunter]

I have a newbie question that I've yet to find the answer to. I went to a KTV in Beijing (Qian Gui) and another one in Nanjing (Melody) recently with some non-mongering friends. Although we did not ask for Xiao Jie, I had thought that the manager would at least ask us if we wanted some. I also walked around each place but did not see any walking around. So my question is, do all KTVs have Xiao Jie? And if not, how to you differentiate between the two types of KTVs?Qian Gui and Melody are considered those "True" KTV which offer purely singing and entertainment pleasure. Other than these 2, I still have not found anyone close to them. All others are mostly come with Xiao Jie.

[SidTheSexist]

Pro Hunter,
I think you mean YouYi shopping? Havent been down there for a while but I think you'll find from previous posts, that theres plenty of WG's still around during the evening.

[Mas 147]

For those of our fraternity that can manage a little bit of chinese, you might want to try the Tom.com website chatrooms. If you go into the BJ of SH rooms you would be bombarded with private messages with descriptions and telephone numbers. I tried one of these last week. This is how it works; you call up the girl (some will do outcalls for extra cash) she gives you directions and then you go to the area and get more specific via the mobile.

I got a 19 year old university student, who works out of her friend's place. She was young, BBBJ and lousy FJ for 300 RMB. Her housemate was even better looking (younger) but I could imagine just as passive. BTW you might be able to look at their photos from their websites but to be honest, they might not be the same person as on the website, and once you have arrived, could you be botherered to go to another provider? These girls are doing it for extra cash and to be able to wear designer labelled goods.

Enjoy Mas

[Feet62]

Well, I followed the previous posts and went to this spa.

The previous directions were spot on. I live a 5 minute walk from the place. Too bad I am changing apartments.

Went into the locker room. I speak Zero mandarin, but the process is easy to figure out. For those new to the spa experience, you will first get a locker key, get undressed in front of some locker room boys (they were a little too close for my comfort), who hang up your clothes.

Once undressed they give you some slippers and you go into large room with a bath, shower, steam room/sauna, and small pools (I presume hot and cold). There are also some personal wooden bath tubs and Chinese checkers tables. I saw a group of guys hanging out buck naked and playing checkers.

I took a shower and then hit the steam room. I am a little self conscience about being naked and walking around in slippers. If you are also, I suggest you grab some towels when you walk in the bath area. They are on the left as you walk in the bath area.

After the steam room, I went back to the locker room. I was asked to buy the pajamas. He did point out the price and try to explain the exact cost. My mandarin is bad so I did not understand, but the previous reports allowed me to figure it all out. I still was unable to find/get the free pajamas. In the end I purchased the 30RMB ones. If anyone could help me figure out how to get the free ones, please post.

In my slippers and 30 RMB pajamas, I headed to the fourth floor. I recieved the menu and was shown rooms. I did not understand the menu and was afraid I would be paying for an extra room. Eventually, I was give an english menu and could see the 5xs everyone was talking about.

They all understood what I wanted and it worked out. I find it funny that the 5Xs have a price per item (168 I think per X). the Xs are massage, Ass tounge bath, blow job, full sex, and maybe fire and ice). Even when I paid, I got a receipt that showed 5 X 168. I found it funny.

Got into the room and ordered some water (10RMB). I didn't like the first girl shown to me and asked to see another. The second girl was cute.

She came back within a couple of minutes with three glasses of water and a bucket with something red in it.

She laid down some blue paper on the bed and asked me to lie down. She gave me a very bad massage. Then a tongue bath.

Then washed my ass with this red stuff. I am not sure if I was not clean or what, but she must of spent 10 minutes washing my ass...am I that bad down there?. She then tossed the salad. i normally love this but I think she was a little mechanicle.

After that she puts lotion on her breasts and proceeds to give me a breast to body rub. Then puts lotion on her ass and gave me an ass to body rub.

Puts a condom on and hops on for the big event.

After the event, I put back on the pajamas and headed for the tour. On the 3rd floor there is a place to take a rest, private small places to sleep, plus a place to get what appeared to be real massaged (foot, stone?, body). Second floor has food and drinks.

I went to pay. The total was 975 (I think). However, they told me they overcharged me for some thing and subtracted 50 off the bill.

The break of was
1. 840 for the 5xs (5 @ 168)
2 30 Pajamas
3 45 for the entrance fee
4 10 for water

I asked for a VIP card and they gave me one. They told me the discount would be 10% of the 840.

Overall, I think this is a little expensive, but fun. I will try again, especially with the discount card.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Lll1234]

Does anyone know a tall (170-180) Uzbek/Russian girl that is from Tashkent that is frequently in Hollywood and Absenta. I saw her once, however, did connect. She has very long, dark hair/red tint. beautiful face, green eyes. Model features. She lives in Yabalu. I lost her mobile no. Has anyone seen her lately or can you tell me more about her. Thanks guys!

[Lll1234]

Does anyone know a tall (170-180) Uzbek/Russian girl that is from Tashkent that is frequently in Hollywood and Absenta? I saw her once, however, did connect. She has very long, dark hair/red tint. beautiful face, green eyes. Model features. She lives in Yabalu. I lost her mobile no. Has anyone seen her lately or can you tell me more about her. Thanks guys!

[Lll1234]

I was was in Hollywood not long ago and met a tall Uzbek/Russian from Tashkent. She has long, straight hair, kept in a ponytail. Hair color: red tint brunette. She said her name was Elena. She has very fair skin color. Very nice model like features. I did not make contact. I lost her mobile no. Can anyone tell more about her and how to contact.

Thanks!

[Alroy]

I just landed in Beijing and checked into my hotel the St Regis in Jianguomenwiei -- the main drag that leads from the China World complex to Tianmen Square.

I took a walk around 7PM in the evening and was approached several times. As I reached the KFC and Haagen Daaz I was apprached by a mamasan called Anne who hangs around here who would not take no for an answer so finally I agreed to 600 RMB for a "young university girl" to come to my room.

She made a call and and 9 girls showed up in a few minutes and circled me -- some smiling and trying to engage. I asked whowas the best performer and she very discreetly pointed out one in a way that none could see who she pointed out.

So off I went with this girl from Shandong both of us struggling to talk to each other. I find that it is easy to take a girl in through the side entrance at teh St Regis and have had none of teh problems I've had recently at the GreatWall Sheraton where they simply refuse to let a girl in after 11 PM.

The girl was pretty good and did BBBJ and sex in several positions after a quick shower. My experience is that the grisl you find from these mamasans are not as good sexual experiences as the mongolians who really get into it and it can really be an intense GFE.

I also met another mamasan who works with Ann who convinced me to take this girl who spoke pretty good english for 500 RMB -- she massaged me and then to the usual but nothing especially memorable. She loved DATY and asked me to bring her to orgasm.

I heard her interpreting for her friends to help negotiate with english speaking customers while we walked back tothe hotel. I think these mamasans are much better in terms of quality than the ones you find around Landmark and the GWS where the girls are much coarser and probably from the country.

[Alroy]

I went to Hollywood twice over the last few days and came back with some great Mongolians.

The club itself has really gone down and is really run down and skanky looking. They are much more aggressive about collecting the entrance fee and don't give you a drink anymore with the price of admission.

Basically you have a squarish Bar section with girls all around and then you have a seated section behind the bar where some groups of Russian girls sometimes sit. There is a dance floor to the right of the bar as you enter but I have never ever seeen it used.

The Mongolian girls hang at the NW corner of the bar as you enter assuming you are heading in a northerly direction. The light is really REALLY bad so you have to be careful that the really hot chick you just picked up does not turn out to be a skank as soon as you get her into better light. The Russian girls are very hard and fast about pricing 800 ST, 1500 2X, and 2000 for all night. Some may even ask a little more than that but they do not engage in a very friendly way and I just could not get into them . There was one very hot girl called Katia who did not speak English and her friend just killed it for me so I decided to leave the lovely Katia alone.

The first night I went with a Mongolian girl called Agi who gave an amazing tight suction BBBJ and was a great GFE with a really pleasant manner and enthusiastic in many positions though I thik her preference was doggy. She had a boob job so her breasts were a little hard. She really gets into it and I think these girls are hard to beat in Beijing though I have had some truly excellent expereinces with some Chinese girls here. The best ones were all from KTVs who I took home.

The next night I hooked up with one of her friends called Sonie -- she was not as pretty but she also had a great manner and and really made you feel like it was GFE. She got really hot and rubbed my dick against her wet pussy while we were still kissing and she was pretty convincing. I had just gone to a a Chinese traditional massage where they get you pretty hard but dont actually relieve you earlier in the evening and I had tried this new Chinese sexual performance drug which did not feel like anything -- none of the buzz and flush youget with V. But anyway this combination had got me harder than I have been in ages and and this was the most vigourous f***ing I have done in a long time. Sonie was into it and and really humped right back and came a few times. This had to be one of the best sexual experiences I have had in several years and it took me 2 hours to cum but it was one hell of an orgasm. We tried all kinds of positions but she seemed to like cow girl a lot and really rode me -- I guess she must ride horses becuase resisted changing positions and just kept a really steady and continuous pumping going with a shine in her eyes and an expression that pretty clearly stated that I am having fun. I'm not sure I could repeat this performance with her becuase I think it was aspecial combination of many things that got this whole thing together - I had originally suggested 1000 for 2 rounds but after this first round with both of us sweating and heaving it seemed unneccesary and she jsut slept in my arms for 45 mins to recover, caressing tenderly all that time.; We were both raw from the expereince and neoither one of us really wanted to have intercourse again. It really was special but I think you will find that your experience may differ. Anyway I would strongly recommend her if you want a real GFE -- she did tell me she like Mongolian men the best and Korean men the least but compliemented me at the end saying I was as good as a Mongolian man. I am going to hook up with her again before I leave but I think I it will not be as intense -- anyway for me this girl is truly a keeper.

Be nice to her if you see her -- I think she is leaving soon though possibly in the next few weeks. I think any of Agis friends in the NW corner of Hollywood should be pretty special.

[Tasty1]

It appears that in many cities in China, if a 3 to 4 star hotel has a sauna-massage services, they provide full service. Stayed in Tian Hong (Tianhong) Plaza Hotel in Beijing (25 Zhi Chun Road, Haidian District) and they provided full service for 500 RMB.They are soon changing name to Park Plaza Hotel. It is completely accetable to ask for "full service massage" or "Special message." If a massage costs 200 RMB, it is not with sex.

Also a suggestion for fellows posting on this site, it is impossible to tell a taxi driver where to take you unless there is actual address, and hopefully written in Chinese by your hotel staff. Thus, sauna names, hotel names etc on post should include actual address. I could not find Hollywood Bar in Beijing due to not having actual address in my possesion.

[Summiteer]

Hi all

The summit is in BJ, so following the advice in the forum I headed off to Maggies. It took an age to find a taxi driver who actually knew where it was !! grrrr. Anyway, I found it. Music and atmosphere was good. I found myself a nice mongolian girl .... didn't seem too push (at first) .. only a 6 in the looks terms and smoked too much ... but sociable and good fun.

I decided to take her back to the hotel. - We agreed a sum 550rmb haggling required but she agreed.

The problem then started. In the taxi home she tried to renegotiate the agreed fee, which i have never experienced before - Is this usual for Beijing ??

Then in the room she asked for payment up front... This sent my alarm bells ringing that she would find an excuse and leave early. So I said no fee up front, in the morning no problem. She argued and said NO so I kicked her out with just the taxi fee home.

Question for the forum - Did I do the right thing ? or should I have given her 50% up front and then 50% in the moring. That was if she chose to leave early she only gets 50%.

one to ponder

the summit

[Actionjun]

For those of our fraternity that can manage a little bit of chinese, you might want to try the Tom.com website chatrooms. If you go into the BJ of SH rooms you would be bombarded with private messages with descriptions and telephone numbers. I tried one of these last week. This is how it works; you call up the girl (some will do outcalls for extra cash) she gives you directions and then you go to the area and get more specific via the mobile.

I got a 19 year old university student, who works out of her friend's place. She was young, BBBJ and lousy FJ for 300 RMB. Her housemate was even better looking (younger) but I could imagine just as passive. BTW you might be able to look at their photos from their websites but to be honest, they might not be the same person as on the website, and once you have arrived, could you be botherered to go to another provider? These girls are doing it for extra cash and to be able to wear designer labelled goods.

Enjoy Mas

Sign up on Tom.com as you've suggested on a lazy weekend afternoon. Quiet for about 5-mins. Then, huge number of offer thrown at me... some offer to show of their dancing skills... most got right to the point. My question is, they all give number prefixed by Q or QQ. What is this? How do I check out their pictures? Some have web sites with photo albumn. Anyone have especially good experience with this avenue? Most seem to offer ST for 300 and LT for 800.

[Gglee]

Went to Hard Rock on Friday night around 11: 30 pm. Did not want to pay cover especially since I only saw two Russians (? ) at the bar. As I left, quickly approached by a mama-san and younger girl. They suggested a bar where I could sit in private roomand do anything I wanted for just drinks. (Stupid me, but sometimes little head controls our actions). I said I wanted to go to Maggies and they said it was justaround the corner if I did not like their place (again, stupid). Place is called BC Club. We go in and shown a private KTV room and tea quickly presented with a lineup of 6-7s. Picked the 7 and mamasan says she will leave us alone if I give her 100 rmb (how much more stupid can I get? ). Girl orders drink and I say only for coke. I try to inspect the goods and hand pushed away. I quickly get up and leave but surrounded by 3 men who demand 400 rmb for drinks and room. I argue and finally settle for 100 rmb to just get out since I am outmanned.

Main reason I went was because cab drivers I asked did not know where Maggies was and I did not have map Sebastian My recently posted.

[Gglee]

Finally found Maggies with great difficulty. Sebastian My has posted a good map and if others would do the same for Hollywood, etc, cab drivers can take you there easily.
My opinion on a Friday night around midnight that there were no girls i personally would want to take out. Looked over whole crop. What do the so called Mongolians look like? Anyway, I thought 141 girls in Hong Kong much much better and much better price.

I never could find Hollywood.

[Maztermac]

Would also like to know if anyone have expriences?


Sign up on Tom.com as you've suggested on a lazy weekend afternoon. Quiet for about 5-mins. Then, huge number of offer thrown at me... some offer to show of their dancing skills... most got right to the point. My question is, they all give number prefixed by Q or QQ. What is this? How do I check out their pictures? Some have web sites with photo albumn. Anyone have especially good experience with this avenue? Most seem to offer ST for 300 and LT for 800.

[JustDoIt]

QQ is another website which also offer chats. In China a majority of the people use QQ chat. www.qq.com but it is also in chinese. I'm sure there is an English version of QQ chat that can be downloaded.


Sign up on Tom.com as you've suggested on a lazy weekend afternoon. Quiet for about 5-mins. Then, huge number of offer thrown at me... some offer to show of their dancing skills... most got right to the point. My question is, they all give number prefixed by Q or QQ. What is this? How do I check out their pictures? Some have web sites with photo albumn. Anyone have especially good experience with this avenue? Most seem to offer ST for 300 and LT for 800.

[Sebastian My]

Finally found Maggies with great difficulty. Sebastian My has posted a good map and if others would do the same for Hollywood, etc, cab drivers can take you there easily.
My opinion on a Friday night around midnight that there were no girls i personally would want to take out. Looked over whole crop. What do the so called Mongolians look like? Anyway, I thought 141 girls in Hong Kong much much better and much better price.

I never could find Hollywood.

Hollywood is close to maggies. If you walk out the front of maggies and keep on walking west for 50m, at the next set of lights turn right (the Moscow Resturant is on the corner and you would of passed a chinese resturant on the way). About 50m North you will see Hollywood on your left - next door there is a construction site and on the other side the Ritan Hotel. The best way to get to Hollywood is to ask for the Ritan Hotel.

Private KTV - as has been said many time on this site, never go with the mama-san anywhere - unless you really trust them (some of the mama-san's around the china world are ok, but unless you know them its impossible to tell a rip off from a legit service). On the other hand there is nothing wrong with asking for a line up, selecting a girl, and going - although i normally ask for a line up from the girls close by - rather than going to a private bar. Anyway, RM400 is peanuts - the real rip-off's are in the thousands.

As for maggies - its hard to tell what time you were their. The mongoilians only come over about 11pm and you will not get a good selection until midnight. As for how can you tell who are the mongolians - say sanno to the girls - those who smile will be mongolians. If you want an early experience go to Lido - the Pig - the girls turn up from about 8pm - possibly even earlier.

[Pro Hunter]

Pro Hunter,

I think you mean YouYi shopping? Havent been down there for a while but I think you'll find from previous posts, that theres plenty of WG's still around during the evening.Hi SidTheSexist,

Thanks for update. I have been there these few nights and was told that there was some fights between 2 groups of WGs from 2 different provinces, and followed by raids 2-3 weeks ago...so it has to take some time to "cool down".

I still remember the phone number of Shriley which end with 135xxxx0900 but guess she has changed the number. Anyone still get in touch with her?

[Great Wall]

FS is available at YanXiang hotel MP. Depends upon your negotiating skills. Quoted price was Y1000, negotiated to Y500.

[Lao Ma]

No I think you did the right thing, except maybe I would not have given her taxi money. I don't know if it was the case this time, but that old adage you get what you pay for MAY have had an effect on this experience. The typical short time rate, most of the time, for a cutie at maggies, is gonna be 800 rmb, and if you are a good negotiator and got her price down, she could have been thinking you were a cheap ass bastard from the start. Of course maybe this had no impact. My experience has almost always been that haggling over 10 to 20 dollars (us) is a losing proposition.

You know there's tons of men who don't read this forum, who are in Beijing for business or pleasure, who gladly cough up 1000 rmb for short time romps with maggies girls. No sense in getting angry at them; it's there money. But it does explain why sometimes if a girl is hurting for cash, and she finally snags a punter at 500 or 600 rmb, that she has an attitude.

Lastly, why so many guys here have a hard time finding maggies is beyond me. there's many posts that tell you exactly where it is - the name of the park, which gate/entrance to the park it's at, etc. What do you expect - to tell a taxi driver in english "maggies" ?

[Just Me]

All,

A clarification, as it's right down the street from my apartment:
You yi shopping mall vs. Yansha

For us, it's the same place (which is the shopping mall attached to the Kempinski on 3rd Ring road and just north of Hard Rock Cafe).

In English, on the outside of the building it does state You Yi shopping mall, but in Chinese it's call Yansha.

If you ask a Taxi driver to go to the You Yi shopping mall, there is one and it's south of Jianguomen wai near 3rd ring road. Chinese know this place by Yansha.

Just me

[Summiteer]

[QUOTE=Lao Ma]No I think you did the right thing, except maybe I would not have given her taxi money. I don't know if it was the case this time, but that old adage you get what you pay for MAY have had an effect on this experience. The typical short time rate, most of the time, for a cutie at maggies, is gonna be 800 rmb, and if you are a good negotiator and got her price down, she could have been thinking you were a cheap ass bastard from the start. Of course maybe this had no impact. My experience has almost always been that haggling over 10 to 20 dollars (us) is a losing proposition.

You know there's tons of men who don't read this forum, who are in Beijing for business or pleasure, who gladly cough up 1000 rmb for short time romps with maggies girls. No sense in getting angry at them; it's there money. But it does explain why sometimes if a girl is hurting for cash, and she finally snags a punter at 500 or 600 rmb, that she has an attitude.

Lao Ma,

Thanks for the advice. Maybe you are right and for 100 or 200 more, the attitude would have been different. I can understand they all have there price, but my experience has always been if you offer too low girls around the world just say NO. This is the 1st time I have expereinced this AFTER they had agreed the deal in the bar Prior to leaving !!

Still - all smiles and all adds to the experience of life.

the summit

[Dino Jay]

Perhaps this is the one: http://im.qq.com/qq/mo.shtml?/download/qqe.shtml

You find the download link under Download Area. It's a far as I can tell only for Windows.


QQ is another website which also offer chats. In China a majority of the people use QQ chat. www.qq.com but it is also in chinese. I'm sure there is an English version of QQ chat that can be downloaded.

[SidTheSexist]

What do you expect - to tell a taxi driver in english "maggies" ?
Spot on!!! LMAO!!!! :D
Although, trying to say "Ritan" to a taxi driver, has proven quite tricky for me in the past. I sometimes have to just settle for "guang hua lu" and then I just direct them when I get there.

I absolutley agree that Beijing is full of business mongers who throw money away as if its going out of fashion, but I am no great fan of these 800rmb short time quotes. I cant remember the last time I paid over 400rmb and that is not being big headed. Its just being sensible. Granted, Im not talking about hooking up at 9pm with the best looking doll in the bar, but if your not stupid and can have a bit of a laugh, theres plenty of diamonds out there who will give you far better service for half the cash the "supermodels" charge. Ive currently got a very nice freebie on the go who I usually meet up with on sunday afternoons.
Sid

[OldAsiaHand]

Summiteer,

I agree with the consensus here. 550RMB LT out of Maggies is far below the market price. She was not happy and her strategy was to try to get more out of you which eventually did not work. I may have not even given her the taxi money either. On the other hand, I never, never pay anything upfront.

I was there about 6 months ago and found one Mongolian for 600RMB ST which I considered a bargain because most were asking for 1,000 ST. In my case, I asked her how much and she quoted 600 RMB and the service was excellent. However, on previous occasions, I have usually paid 800RMB as Lao Ma suggests.

There is no question that if you negotiate below the going minimum rate, the service level may reflect this. My strategy is to search for girls that are reasonable and do not try to rip me off at the start so there is no reason to negotiate. I find that the experience and the service is much better in these cases since both sides are happy with the deal.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Meaty]

...I cant remember the last time I paid over 400rmb ....... Ive currently got a very nice freebie on the go who I usually meet up with on sunday afternoons.Sid But thats because you have the upper hand on all of the fellow ISG brothers, you are young, rich, famous and very hansome :D:D:D

[Intransit]

I did one Mongolian out of the old Maggie's one night for 400 ST. In fact, me and another guy both did her for 400 each. But she wasn't spectacular in any way and it was no GFE.

My experience at St. Margaret's shows that the nuns will ask for 1000 and go for 800 LT, especially if you're nice to them and if you're going to be here in town for a while. If you're a flying pigeon traveling through, then probably no repeat business there and so they need to get more out of you. But I think the extra is worth it, Mongolian GFEs are superb, and although it's warm now, as we get into winter you will appreciate that extra space heat in bed more and more.

[Canada]

Picked up a 300RMB loner outsidw Landmark and for 1st time ever security at the elevator wouldn't let me take her. It was about 11:30PM. Asked her for documents and she did not have them. Not sure if this is going to continue in the future.

[SidTheSexist]

You guys who stay in these 5*hotels which dont allow guests always have me confused. Why dont you just use ST hotels, or in this case, those sauna rooms Ive read about which allow you to just pay for a room and take your own bird. Also, Im actually not suprised that 5* hotels dont want you taking 300rmb farmers daughters into their hotel. At least get an absolute stunner from a KTV so that the whole experience is worth shouting about.

[Member #4333]

Sebastian,

Have been reading your posts. You possess profound wisdom. Love the rules of engagement enumerated at the end of your post! Last night on this Beijing trip and am going to head to Hollywood with 1-7 below keenly in mind. Hope Peninsula Hotel is open minded about girls!


Once again i find myself in a melancholy mood, suitable for monger philosophising. This time its the illusion women create with their clothing, make-up and of course lighting. I am in yet another Russian hunting mood, with my normal target being what i like calling the porno girls or the good-attitude girls. The Porno girls normally hang around in tight jeans and very skimpy tops, with exposed mid-drifts, and can be a bit chubby. They typically are well endowed - Da U fan or 大乳房 - and love gyrating like crazy when they see a possible client. The good attitude girls are normally quiet and seem shy and will smile or even say hello when you walk pass them.

For my first selection i picked up a porno type and low and behold when i saw her in my room i would have to class her as a model type. 170cm, very thin, lovely face which was covered by the excessive make-up Russian often apply. Firm, large Champaign breasts with nipples decadently pointing slightly upwards. Her fellatio skills were not great, but she was rather tight and did make all the correct noises, so i have to say her skills were acceptable (not great mind you). She was actually a Uzbek girl, but racially as WASPish as Oliver Cromwell, so i prefer to refer to her as Russian.

After this bit of good fortune i decided i would do what i normally never do at Hollywood, try the model types. I was prepared for a bad experience so my expectations were set very low, but i was determined to select the most model type girl i could find. It did not take me long to spy a very tall, thin lady with legs as tall as most Chinese guys i know. She was wearing the classic short black party dress and looked the model type, except for the hair do. I notice Russians, like older American women, like to force their hair into unnatural shapes using hairsprays and sadistic hairdressers. A true model has long straight hair, my selection did not, but it was only a minor problem. Once she got into my room and showered, my model was gone and i had what i would class was a porno type with a good attitude. Her skills were good, although she was either too well lubricated or a bit too loose for my taste, but this was only a minor problem.

So i was left pondering, what is happening here. Why is it the women i start out with in Hollywood changes into a totally different creature once you get their gear off.
I suppose the barbaric sub-optimal lighting conditions at Hollywood contributes to this situation. I feel i need to get some imaging intensification equipment from my friends in the British army to help identify my quarry – although walking around with 5kg of electronics on your head may make people think i am a total idiot – or really cool.
However the clothing the women select for themselves will, contribute to this confusion. My model type probably dressed up like a porno type to look less scary to the local Chinese guys. But my porno type probably dressed up as a model type to hide her imperfections and show off her assets – great legs. Wearing jeans would of reduced her appeal. So how can you get behind this camouflage to identify the real women underneath. After thinking about this carefully and by my 5th beer i came to the following conclusions.
1.If a women is wearing something which is hiding part of her body, she is doing it for a reason.
2.If a women is wearing something which shows off part of her body, she is doing it for a reason.
3.Women wearing black are harder to see, thus may be hiding more than women wearing white.
4.Try and gauge body height, less shoes. Tall women may look thin, but may actually be not. Short women may look chunky, but may end up not being chunky.
5.Silhouette is important (and in Hollywood may be the only way you can see a girl). Use the silhouette to gauge body shape, breast size and facial features.
6.If you have poor eyesight – wear your glasses. No point impressing the girl with your great looks.
7.Pick a spot where the light is behind your back. Like the Japanese zero pilots who always attacked from the sun, keep the lights behind you. After all its more important that you can see the girl than vica versa – anyway, these women are all young and have excellent eyesight. So far all the girls i selected know me by sight and can accurately identify how may times i had been to Hollywood and which girl i previously selected – so they don't need to have a good view of you. (I am sure they use telepathy).
So next time you go out, remember that winning or losing is all about identifying the target accurately and then closing in for the catch – banzai.

[Member #4333]

Banker - there is nothing worse than a bad massage or bad sex. Suggest you see a true professional for each. If you stay at the Peninsula, there is a great massage place 100 yards away. Turn left out the front door, and head down the alley before the Lee Garden Hotel (next tall building on same side of street as Peninsula). This is a straight up legit massage place but you'll get a killer massage. Start at about 7pm and you'll get a full 2-3 hours of relaxation in for 300RMB. Then head out to see a pro about scratching your other itch. Spend the time and go to a bar. It's more fun to bring a girl back and have her all night.


Hello everyone,

As you will quickly notice, this is my first ever post on this site. I'll go ahead and declare myself a noob (newbie) as to not get any further criticism about it.

Anyway, I'm spending my whole summer here. I've already been here for a month and will stay until mid-August. I've already run into some interesting and bad experiences which I'll go ahead and tell.

The first (good) experience was at Novotel Xinqiao Hotel. By good experience I mean only full body oil massage and nothing further. I have to admit, I felt a little guilty and decided not to ask about further services. The girl was a 7/10 on looks and 9/10 in personality. She provided me with her (business) card afterwards for later use. Prices were listed when i walked in and two time blocks of 45 mins for full body oil massage was for 500Y more or less 50Y. Total time was closer to 2 hours as we got to talking and she got into it. I think it was about $60-70 on my credit card account online. Great massage.

The second (bad) experience was at a massage parlor called Jin Bao behind a hotel called Jin Bao too I believe. It is down the street on the same street as the Peinsula Palace Hotel/Taiwan Hotel, and I believe the place is named after the street name. It was perhaps two blocks east of the Peninsula. Anyway, I will not and do not recommend anyone to go there. The experience started off halfway decent. I went in, showered, put my stuff in a locker. The place does not have good enough hygiene for a western (American). For example, the towels though clean and warm from the dryer had digusting stains on them. I spent 40Y on one time use clothes that I could "take with me afterwards" (yeah right). I was led to a small room and then the girls came two by two. The pickings were decent but my picks were good. I picked two - one tall and slim and one average height and a little less slim. By tall, I mean 5'7", which I think is pretty tall for a Chinese girl. I'm 5'8" myself and she had on high heels. The action was good by all standards and I won't go into too much details. They commented that I took one of the longest time in there with them and that usually the men who go are in and out in 15 mins - 30 mins max. My total time was closer to 1 hour and kept holding back and switching positions/girl. They did fire/ice methods, nude "massage", and paid plenty of attention to all areas of my body. Since there were two, and it took a lot longer than they expected, they had to get refills on condoms and clean (alcohol) wipes. I'd give them 7 and 7.5 on looks and 8.5 and 8.8 on personality. For better or worse, they wished I would stay longer with them but I declined. They gave me their numbers and made me promise to call.

Anyway, I'm sure that doesn't sound all too bad, but this is why. I should have visited this site and read this thread before going to any of these places. The total charge at Jin Bao was net 6000-7000Y. It was $700 more or less $50 on my online credit card account. Plus, since I didn't have that much cash on me, I had to swipe with a 10% convenince fee in addition to the bill. I gave them 900Y in cash and swiped the rest. They (a group of 4-5 guys at the front desk and 1 silent girl) said I could also go around the corner and get cash from the atm. I decided against that. Anyway, so lesson from the story, always bargained the price down tons and do my research before heading out. Both places were recommended to me by several taxi drivers. I didn't trust only one opinion but when I take the taxis around the city and 4-5 mentioned this place, I decided to try it out. I won't be going back to Jin Bao.

So at this point, I would like to ask the people familiar with Beijing and its establishments for help. I read about 40-50% of this entire thread and did a couple searches like "massage" and "sauna" but only found the recent post of ChunXiuLu (sp?) as a possible type of place I am looking for. Certain things make it inconvenient for me to bring someone back to my place and I am usually free only a day or two on or close to the weekends. This is why I prefered upper-scale sauna-style establishments where everything is in-house. If I went to the clubs or bars, I would expect to pick up a chick for free, but I simply just don't have the time or would want to go back to her place. Plus, the girls at saunas and (good) massage parlors can actually give a good massage. Any comments, suggestions, advice, personal opinions (good or bad), will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Will

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.

[Member #4333]

Sid, Sebastian, Alroy, Pro.

Flying solo in unfamiliar territory. Prefer to have a wingman on first mission in new city. Any of you around and up for showing the Beijing scene to a newcomer tonight? I've read the forum and am interested in heading to Maggies or Hollywood. Looking for a Russian (had one in Dubai last month that was one of my best experiences ever) or open to trying a Mongol.

Anyhow, Rich Hall at the Peninsula. Working from hotel all day. I'll cover the drinks at the bar.

[Sebastian My]

You guys who stay in these 5*hotels which dont allow guests always have me confused. Why dont you just use ST hotels, or in this case, those sauna rooms Ive read about which allow you to just pay for a room and take your own bird. Also, Im actually not suprised that 5* hotels dont want you taking 300rmb farmers daughters into their hotel. At least get an absolute stunner from a KTV so that the whole experience is worth shouting about.

If you have ever staying in hotels in England, europe - or worst yet, the US, 5 star hotels in beijing are a fantastic experience - excellent value for money. I need to get up to the ₤400 a night rate to match it in london.
However i do agree that you need to check if the hotel is girl friendly first - i have never had any problems in the hotels i stay in - except for my experience at the sheraton where my boss forced me to stay their because he was in some stupid sheraton frequent hotel club - or something like that. If you want to play, make sure the hotel allows it.
I also agree about the farmer's daughters - good lord, best to pay a bit more for someone without dirt under their finder nails. Actually, talking about farmers daughters - if thats you bag you need to come down to DongGuan - RM300 for 2 can be easily arranged. Of course best to make sure they get a good long soaking in the tub before you do anything, unless you want dirt infested nails to give your old fellow a good scratching - ugggg. Ahhh i miss beijing, only after only a few weeks. Its cheap down here, but it just ain't the same.

[SidTheSexist]

Seb, 300rmb for 2!! Thats almost beach road prices!! Enjoy!

Thanks very much for the offer. As daft as it sounds, tonight is probably the only night this week that I will not be out and about. I have a late meeting which will go through till maybe 10.30pm and I must be at the airport for 7am tomorow! Good luck, remember the information on the board, especially on pricing and you shouldnt do too badly. Obviously if it is your last night, then I assume you're not going to mind splashing out but make sure your not getting done for! Sorry Seb, but I would have to recomend Maggies over hollywood. Although you could do both actually. Maybe we will get around to a meet up one day and can explore both scenes together.
Cheers

Sid

[Soujourn]

Wow - seems they have gone up in the last few months... I don't think I've ever paid more than 5 maos for st (3hrs+) or 8 maos for LT (kick them out in a couple days). Play as hard to get as they do and you'll keep the prices reasonable. I've been there with a couple newbie friends and in spite of going over the ropes, their little head insisted on anything the girl demanded --- sigh -- the power of pussy, I guess.

One thing to remember is take your time. The girls are constantly on the move between the Pig, on ST dates, eating with their BF, Maggies, escaping from LT dates, etc.. all the way until 3 or 4am. So - if you don't see the girl you really like, just chill a bit and wait -- she'll probably be coming through the door later on.

Lastly - start with conversation and no attempt at pickup or take out. Just get to know the girls personally. Establish some rapport. The girl may not turn out to be your date - but she may be the 'sister' who intros you to the one you want. Most of the girls at Maggies I have dated in the past are now hooking me up with newer girls on request. And of course, as old friends, we enjoy drinking and sleeping together like 'old times' they dont want to go home alone either. One thing if any, Horde members are proud and not so prone to overt jealousy. Or at least I'm not to affected by it.

S,

[Pier20]

First, you need to have basics in Chinese.

Choose “chat” ( 聊天 liaotian), in the “cities map” ( 城市地图 chengshi ditu) area, choose Beijing ( 北京 ). Then you have 3 chatrooms: love in Beijing ( 爱在北京 ) 1, 2, 3. It seems that all the providers use the 3 at the same time so open only one will be enough.

After 6pm, 90% of the female who are not registered as 游客 (sightseer) are providers, and after 10pm, most seem to be gone.

First I tried to find a girl who can speak English. After 20-30tries, I found a student in Haidian providing ST for 600, 500 after negotiation.

So I decided to start pretend I am Chinese, and writing in Chinese. Typical dialogue:
Me: hello, are you looking for a chat friend?

Her: no, I’m here for business

Me: service? how much?

They usually only give very basic information through the chatroom, because all the offers bombarded will be inserted in your dialogue: not easy to follow. So, they will give you their QQ number (sort of MSN or yahoo messenger, www.qq.com, that will charge 2RMB/month on your mobile fee after registration). There, you can usually have a quiet chat, look at the pictures, negotiate service and price. They will usually tell you their address and you have to go to their place. After arriving in their area, they will give the final instructions by phone, check if you are alone,…

I first found a girl who offers the following menu for 200 after negociation: BJ, ice and fire, tongue bath, AR and finish mish. Picture of the girl at http://www.51.com/show_photo.php?user=hkk8&id=100003238

Such low price sounds incredible but I phoned and the girl confirmed.

For more security, I found a second one for 300: same menu, same confirmation by phone. Photos at http://photo.qq.com/portal/albumMain.shtml?%23uin=625532574

With my 2 addresses at hand, I left my apartment and took a taxi. Arrived, the girl guided me by phone to 26th floor of a building, then to the 27th, and finally refused to open without any explaination. I will never know if the menu is really 200, and if the girl was the same as on her website. So I had to turn on my 2nd choice, I already had spent 70RMB in taxi fee. The second one opened the door, and it was not the girl of the pictures (maybe a 4-5), she confirmed the content of the menu but the price had gone up to 600 because I am a foreigner and she was afraid she could not bear my DD. After negotiation, I got 500RMB, refused and left.

Finally, had no choice but go to my usual place (150 for HJ + 1h massage) to release my DD and my anger.

I think I will try a last time and make everything clear from the beginning (including my white face). But if there is still no result, I will go back to the more traditional ways.

[Pro Hunter]

Yesterday I got a phone call from a KTV girl I have taken back home several times before. “I have a friend who needs help, can you meet her?” she said, but didn’t want to tell me more as I was asking questions. As the place of the “friend” was a 5min drive from where I was when answering the call, I decided to go and check what kind of new scam this could be, or probably not be, maybe only a girl in need looking for some pocket money.

As I was waiting at the designated place, a girl entered my car: from Sichuan, 17, nicely shaped, so shy that she had nearly difficulties to answer my most basic questions. It took me nearly half an hour to figure out what the hell she could want. It turned out that she was selling her virginity for 5,000RMB!

I have no patience to teach, and I usually avoid such young things and all the problems that can come along, but most of all I didn’t have 5,000RMB to spend for that (even if I didn’t start any negotiation at all). I gave her a 50RMB tip for breaking her hope, and drove her back to her KTV.

I have been in China for a while, but I still have new unexpected experiences: that’s why I love this country.Hi Pier20,

Me too came across this situation before. I was offered 4000 for "opening/breaking" the virignity. She is from Sichuan too ... but I didnot take up the offer. To me, it was too costly.

Guess a lot of Sichuan girls nowadays especially near YanSha Shopping mall. Where do you normally go?

[Summiteer]

All,

Thanks to the advice on this forum !! I was back at Maggies looking to get myself my 1st Mongolian experience. I had also read the forum and the views on the great wall sheraton being NOT girl friendly are true.

I managed to get my nice sweet girl to agree to 800LT and we set off.

Did get stopped by security and the tip from another member of having two key cards would have worked. I should have remembered.. anyway I had a plan B already prepared !!. I said the elevator man was wrong and would go and discuss it at reception.

Walk straight past reception and through the doors to right (automatic internal sliding doors). Infront of you are stairs / elavator to the 1st floor. Take these and turn LEFT at the top. Follow the corridoor past daytime conference rooms and you will find yourelf in the 1st floor elavator lobby. There is NO elavator man or restriction on calling an elevator. Get in and travel to your chosen floor. No need to trouble the guard 1 floor below you :-).

Have Fun
Summiteer

[Canada]

My friend and I were in Maggies from about 11:30 to 12:45 Am last night. Very good choices and more were coming in as we were leaving. Talked to 1 Mongolian( Killer Body) Amanda and she was only selling 1 shot for 1000RMB and holding firm. My friend talked to a few and it seems most of the girls are trying to get 800 ST and 1000LT. I met another killer bodied Mongolian and she agreed for ST 800 for 2 hours but 1000 for all night and as long as I wanted her the next day. Girl was amazing and had 2 shots between 1:00Am and 2:30 AM Went to sleep and was awakened by a wonderful blow job. She started when I was a sleep. Nice touch. Went back to sleep and at 9:45 Am she started getting touchy and we went round 4. Back to sleep and woke at about noon. Showered and went to Starbucks for coffee and sandwich. She asked if she could go home, change clothes and do homework for 3 hours and come back at 6:00PM to eat dinner and finish date. Not sure if she will show but a great date non the less. I don't feel that this was expensive for the quality of service and time spent and she was very happy with the price. If she comes back for free tonite I will definately tip her
2 Outer Mongolian girls this week, hard to go back to Chinese.

[OldAsiaHand]

Does anybody know if the Beijing Hilton is girl friendly? I have not stayed there for years, but may do so soon.

Thanks.

OAH

[Shanghaied2001]

Hi guys,

Just wondering if any of you would consider dating a working girl, bee it from Maggies, saunas etc.

[Les69]

Yesterday I decided to checkout the massage places advertised in City Weekend. Smart ads, colourful, prices clearly marked and so on.

So I got on the phone and the only one I could understand was a place called “Apple Massage Centre”. Actually I should have known better as soon as I heard a male voice over the telephone. However the warning bells didn’t ring nearly as loud as they should and pussy power being what it is, I “threw caution to the wind”, no, I meant “I was just as stupid as could be” and decided to give it a go.

Apple Massage Centre, Room 1702, Building 14 SOHO. Now fellas. Here’s the address and here’s the message. Unless you have heaps of money….dont go…Don’t waste your time…

Here’s the scam and I’m sue you have all heard it before but here it is again just for any newbie’s

Advertised price depending on what you want, and I chose the massage, is RMB198.

I was greeted at the door by a youngish girl about 20 I guess, looks 6 body 6. The hallway as almost pitch black. I was taken into a room quite clean, bathroom and shower in the room I was in although I suspect this was the only room with a bathroom. Mattress on the floor, and some stains on the carpet, looked like spilled oil maybe.

She reminded me that oil massage was 198 but didn’t mention any other service.. Her name was Jane and she’s from Shenyang. Big breasts, but big waist and hips also.

Now this is it. She’s got me on my belly doing a reasonable massage with plenty of oil and then after about 10 minutes the obvious happens as she starts to play with my balls and ass. Yes, I’m ready for action.

She asks me to turn over, and I’m thinking, "well to hell with the 60 minutes if this is going to be the good finish, I’m ready".

She’s massaged my nipples belly and inner thighs and than she started to work on the DD. But then, she’s stopped…

…telling me that a hand job will be an extra 400. “Mind over matter old man” I told myself, “just negotiate” I said. Not a movement except the next item was she would take her top off and give me a breast massage for 800. She could also do a CBJ for 1000. But I could take the whole package for 1500.

So… even feeling as horny as I was. Mind over matter did take place and I told her I’d had enough and that the session was finished.

By the way half way through the massage, the door bell rang and she left me to answer it.

Warning dear friends especially to the new ones amongst us

[Johnny West]

Arrived last night. Staying at a place called My Hotel at 75 Chaonei. Cheap but not very nice. Almost no english. The normal girl I met through Aff sounded horrified to hear I was staying here so I figured it must be pretty good. Availed myself of the in-room "massage." The mamasan wanted 1000 for fs. I said no. Then she showed up at my room with a stunner. Don't know that I am yet qualified to tell but she said the girl was chinese and she looked it to me. From reading the forum 1000 in a joint like this sounded high but by the time it was over I ended up paying 800 for a crappy massage and a so so bbbj.

There's what I think is a big KTV two doors down. It looked like it was out of my price point so I didn't look. Right next door is a place called Club OO or Studio 54. I was swarmed when I went in. Probably 4 to one girls to punters. There was a little bit of groping but I was tired from traveling and it's not like the place is hard for me to get to. Any one have experience with this place? The girls aren't knockouts but they appear quite willing.

[Intransit]

Been there, done that, what do you want to know?

[seeknewss]

Recently tried this advert from That's Beijing. Gal CiCi is true and real to the description below. Lookwise 6/10 but she will do HJ without asking after giving a 30mins of sensual light massage with oil. Don't expect good hard oil rub massage. She will not do FJ but other bros may try. Paid RMB300 for a one half hour session in my hotel room. Quite a good conversationalist. Know what she wants in life and very careful of clients.

"Cici, 26, 173cm 5-year experienced masseuse. Good at Chinese and full-body oil massage. As a professional masseuse my massage style is soft and relaxed. Your skin will feel silky, and your body will feel comfortable. You will enjoy the best possible massage at your home. Please make an appointment at your apartment or hotel. 200 RMB/hour Call:13366805513. If you have any questions, please send an SMS to my cellphone "

[Stykler]

Does anybody know if the Beijing Hilton is girl friendly? I have not stayed there for years, but may do so soon.

Thanks.

OAH12 months ago it wasn't. Main action is in the foyer and in the bar near the "band" stage. Take out is on offer, but not to the hotel. Good luck.

[Actionjun]

1st night: Got in a bit late. Call few of the numbers from Tom.com. All of them require travel so only choice left was a Russian service for 1,200 ST (13371620xxx). What the hell, I'll take one for the team. 45min later a couple of hardcore young ladies showed up. One was very nice (7/10) but before I can properly appreciate the view, they demanded $ upfront. I really don't feel comfortable handing over cash when they out number me 2:1 so I decided to becareful. I put the money on the table and asked nicely for one of them to leave. For some reason they wouldn't budge and kept insisting on $ upfront. A few phone calls later they packed up and left (swearing quietly). I was kinda glad since the attitude suggest I would've received terrible service.

2nd night: Hit HRC around 11:30. After order my beer a young lady immediately sat down next to me (6/10). I wasn't in a hurry so quietly survey the room. A couple of nice looking ones but most are 5 or 6. Quality seems to be much lower than 1-yr ago. One of the thin, long legged beauty caught my eye across the room as she danced with her girlfriends. But given this place is a typical dark night club I couldn't see very well. Slowly made my way over. She doesn't seem half bad (7/10) but something doesn't seem right with her friends...a bit manly. She comes over and flashes a very nice smile. We had a short chat and $1,000 ST was announced. I was tempted but I just couldn't get pass the look of her friends. Alarms going off that she was especially well engineered but the original form might have been male. Decided not to experiment. Thank her politely and walked away.

0 for 2... but strangely satisfying that I've likely saved my hard earned $ for better, future experiences.

[Camieleke]

Stayed in the Hilton Beijing in July 2006.
Had no problems to bring girls in but honestly didn't tried after 11pm...
The Hilton also has his own massage place but it's a little expensive.
For 90min oil massage, you pay around 600 Rmb and if you like more you need to gave her a tip. But it is very difficult to go under 300Rmb for a HJ!
Makes it 900 for a good massage and HJ.
Next to the Hilton in the small street is also a massagecenter. I tried it once but they didn't offer more than normal massage. Maybe somebody can try?

Enjoy your stay because it's a nice hotel...

C.

[Mijn Muze]

Thanks for all the useful info on this forum; planin to go to Beijing 2nd half of Nov.

Any experienced member ther at that time to share the fun?

Interested in the Mongolian girls; how to distingush them from chinese girl?

[Alex Rock]

Like some of the other guys who post here, I could write a book. We learn as we grow older and get more experience.

I dated / lived with a working girl for several months before I knew what she did. I couldn't handle it, but late dated some other working girls with everything open up front.

I think the main issue is can you handle her having sex with her clients and sometimes enjoying it? Then on the positive side, will she be open to you enjoying other girls and even arranging it or participating in it for you.

Now one of my best friends is a working girl. No secrets, no hang ups - totally open.

Do you link sex and love or can you dissociate them? My ex said sex with me was very different from clients. I asked the same question to many working girls, they all said the same.

Check out what the W.G. "Rubber Nursey from Australia said in the "Morality & Prostitution" forum.

As Intransit said - "Any questions"?

[Shanghaied2001]

Thanks for the info guys.

Not sure if I am willing to date a working girl but as you all know, some of them are just so damn gorgeous! The sex in some cases is totally awesome too.

How did the first session go when you guys started dating? I mean did you ask her how much or was there a mutual understanding that no money was needed?

[Sebastian My]

1st night: Got in a bit late. Call few of the numbers from Tom.com. All of them require travel so only choice left was a Russian service for 1,200 ST (13371620xxx). What the hell, I'll take one for the team. 45min later a couple of hardcore young ladies showed up. One was very nice (7/10) but before I can properly appreciate the view, they demanded $ upfront. I really don't feel comfortable handing over cash when they out number me 2:1 so I decided to becareful. I put the money on the table and asked nicely for one of them to leave. For some reason they wouldn't budge and kept insisting on $ upfront. A few phone calls later they packed up and left (swearing quietly). I was kinda glad since the attitude suggest I would've received terrible service.

2nd night: Hit HRC around 11:30. After order my beer a young lady immediately sat down next to me (6/10). I wasn't in a hurry so quietly survey the room. A couple of nice looking ones but most are 5 or 6. Quality seems to be much lower than 1-yr ago. One of the thin, long legged beauty caught my eye across the room as she danced with her girlfriends. But given this place is a typical dark night club I couldn't see very well. Slowly made my way over. She doesn't seem half bad (7/10) but something doesn't seem right with her friends...a bit manly. She comes over and flashes a very nice smile. We had a short chat and $1,000 ST was announced. I was tempted but I just couldn't get pass the look of her friends. Alarms going off that she was especially well engineered but the original form might have been male. Decided not to experiment. Thank her politely and walked away.

0 for 2... but strangely satisfying that I've likely saved my hard earned $ for better, future experiences.

1. Never pay up front - you did the correct thing. If you want russians just go to the Hollywood Disco, spend 10minutes looking, pick someone up and go. As long as you don't spend a lot of time negociating and you don't look like a bum, or a nigerian drug runner, they will take the cash after the deed.
2. I have never come across a Chinese Katoey in beijing - but if she was thai and phillipino then perhaps you were correct. Northern chinese girls are rather tall, solid and if they were farm girls perhaps a bit manly - but my Katoey alarm has never gone off in beijing, but i suspect if there are any around the HRC is where they would hang out.

[Intransit]

Alex Rock did a nice summary of the experience. Intransit's relationship with Central Asian Girl from Maggie's (who is not Central Asian but Mongolian) is a matter of ISG public record, and you can see the photos of his Filipina working girl ex if you search far enough back in the archive.

I never intended to become emotional involved with working girls, it just happened. While some of our ilk prefer to anchor in a different port each night, I guess I seek intimacy more than orgasm, and therefore am happy to return to the same provider again and again. Think of it this way: every first-time experience involves a certain amount of fumbling and awkwardness. Do I really want all that fumbling and awkwardness and pay for it? No. I want a skilled technician who knows how to align my wheels. If someone's a crap lay, I don't usually try a second time, but if it's good the first time, I want to know how much further that can go.

My experience in dating working girls applies mostly to Mongolians, Filipinas, and a little to Chinese. Filipinas and Mongolians are remarkably similar, although if the two groups met on the battlefield, the Mongolians would swiftly kill--and then eat--the Filipinas. Both groups kiss as part of their culture, and are generally far warmer than their more reserved Asian neighbors. They are also insanely jealous. The difference is that when driven insane with jealousy, a Filipina will kill herself; a Mongolian will kill YOU (I'm exaggerating).

What I liked about dating working girls was that in many ways, our personalities dovetailed: they didn't mind the late hours I preferred, and they were always ready to have sex.

That said, unless you happen to meet one of these Mongolian engineers who's hooking because she can make more money spreading her legs than designing bridges, there's likely going to be a gap. It's one thing to meet a woman at Maggie's, chat her up about Ulan Bator, then take her home and bang her. It's another thing to spend those moments together when you're not naked, such as eating meals, socializing, and having any intercourse that isn't sexual.

You will also find that these women are generally lacking in ambition. I think we like to romanticize why they get into the business: they fell on hard times and got into it to make some fast cash, then get back on track to school/work/whatever. Often it's because they became single mothers or just couldn't find jobs anywhere else, and then got into the biz. I'm not aware of many who finally socked away enough money and said, "I'm outta here, time to buy that Subway franchise I've been dreaming about!" Ultimately, the exit strategy is to find a husband. Both my Filipina gf and Central Asian Girl both wanted to get married.

There's a critical issue that most guys considering dating working girls need to ponder prior to walking that path. These women do this for work. It's their income. Their bodies are their product and service. They may have kids back home, or families, or deadbeat husbands, other boyfriends, ot not least themselves to support. We expect that when we have girlfriends, as part of the normal course of our relationship, we'll have sex, and we won't have to pay for it (whether all women are ultimately *****s and we pay them in goods, blood, sweat and tears even if we don't pay them in cash is an entirely separate discussion for another part of this forum).

I've been on both sides of this. Central Asian Girl and I ultimately had to come to a financial arrangement; she wasn't going to let her son and her mother in Mongolia go without, nor would it have been fair of me to expect she would.

My Filipina ex got out of the business at my behest, then got a legitimate job. It was only then that I realized why, for a young woman with only a high school diploma in a country where most young women only have a high school diploma, a job, even as a hooker, in a foreign city (we did not meet in Beijing or the Pines) was an acceptable prospect. Her legit job was as a waitress and cashier in a restaurant, where she made--wait for it--US$100 per month. She made that per night in tips just letting guys look down her shirt at the place we met, never mind what she made going out for full service.

I did the math on this once (and it's still on this forum somewhere). For a Filipina, going overseas to work as a hooker, where they get room and board, a salary, plus commissions and tips for going out with customers, it's like someone offering one of us the opportunity to make $500,000 for a six-month stint servicing fat Eastern European women with wrinkly tits.

What I'm saying is that this is their work. If they stop doing it to be with you, that income has to come from somewhere, and they will expect it to come from you. If not, then you have to be prepared that she's going to suck some other guy's dick on nights when you're not seeing. It is not reasonable for you to think she's going to just give it up because she loves you. Would you give up your job and your obligations for the woman you love, especially if you had no way to replace that income? If you want free pussy, then get a freebie that you can boink on the side. If you genuinely have developed feelings for a working girl, and you want to have a relationship with her, then you must bear this in mind. It's no different than falling in love with a fireman or a soldier (I'm trying not to get all Village People here) or a coal miner. Some people do jobs that have considerable occupational hazards, and this is one of them.

What they did for work never bothered me, and ultimately, that wasn't why I broke up with them. Filipina was young and beautiful, she wanted to get married and have a family. I wasn't all that interested either of the latter, although the young and beautiful had tremendous appeal. I felt it was unfair to stand in her way, especially since I had gotten out her out of the business. She met the guy who became her husband within months, she's now married with a baby, and I couldn't be happier for her.

As for Central Asian Girl, she already had a kid, and I didn't really want to become a stepfather. She also was quite greedy and seriously jealous. Any look at or mention of another woman meant I wanted to fuck that woman. She also believed that any woman who looked at or mentioned me wanted same. I told her only in my dreams did so many women wish to bed me.

So I would say this: if you're going to do it, establish your boundaries early. If you live under the illusion that she loves you and therefore will never fuck another guy again, it's just that, an illusion. She loves you, but she also loves her kid or anyone else in her life that she's supporting. Ultimately, the financial issue must be resolved somehow.

That said, working girls are just people too. Many of them are exceptionally loving, affectionate, sweet, and funny. And some of them are seriously hot, fuck like animals, and genuinely enjoy sex. So treat them as people, with respect. If you can't treat her like any other woman you meet, then getting involved with her emotionally is a mistake for both of you from the word go.

[Shanghaied2001]

Intransit,

Wow. That is some insight man. Hahaha. The girl I was thinking about is this girl from Dalian who works at a sauna here. (Can't remember where this sauna is - friend took me there a couple of nights ago). Like you said - loves sex. Fucks like an animal and sucks like a hoover. Anyway. It ain't yellow fever or anything, I'm actually overseas-born Chinese and speak the language well. Not really looking for a long term relationship with these girls. Yet. Probably try to swing it to a friends with benefits scnario.

Thanks for the info though. It's helpful.

[Alroy]

I decided to try out the Pig after reading about all the reports about it being a good place for early action. I got there about 8 PM and there were some chinese girls and a few mongolians, none who were really special. Also noticed two white women who semed to be friendly with many of the men in the bar -- they seemed American rather than Russian or any other European but did not engage.

Pretty quickly a pretty good looking Chinese girl (Lili) attached herself to me and started to talk me up. She had a really loud and not so attractive voice and looked much better when she was not atalking. She rubbed herself into me repeatedly and made sure that I understood that she would go for no less than 800 even though many of the girls in the bar would go for 500 (based on her comments). Anyway, since I was unable to get rid of her and she was reasonably hot I decided to taker her "home". She told me she got really wet when she's horny and true to her word she drips with very little effort. This girl really like to f*** and is pretty enthusiastic for awhile. She was also into anal and asked me to do her there and then said she charges extra for that but I said no extras as she had asked me to do this. After the previous nights experience with the lovely Sonie this was hot but just not as intense and I felt kind of disappointed and we both realized that we had to just hump hard to reach the end. This girl really is highly lubricated and I could feel fluids surge out of her every time I stroked hard -- she likes doggy best but is just no match for the Mongolians who really connect in a totally different way and you feel like you really care and even feel like saying tender shit. This was a reasonably good PSE but I would have enjoyed it a lot more if she had talked less.

After we were done I walked along Jinguomenwei to get a refill of cash and ran into the mamsan from hell who walked with me for 300 yards or so and just would not let me be (nr the China World Hotel) . I guess she knew a potential customer when she saw one. I tried to shake her off by saying that I only had 400 but she agreed and before I knew she had called about 12 girls over. I said no and so she called 3 more, one who spoke pretty good English and that was all it took. So off I walked back with the English "university" girl who tol dme her story of woe -- she got a degree in Chinese studies, had a great job but lost it and now was jsut surviving. She liked some of customers but many were forgettable. Her biggest night she had 6 guys but all were pretty quick shooterrs etc.. I guess I asked so I got a pretty through picture of her life and her view on western men and sex. She actually liked sex but only with her bf -- the rest of the time it was work.

Anyway she responded well to gentle touch when we got back and soon she was reasonable into it and we were both enjoying ourselves. She really like DATY and asked me not to stop and came after awhile. Then BBBJ and several positions before I came finally -- by the way she knew I had been with another girl earlier inthe eveing and said that many men have no shame. I reminded her about the 6 men but she said that was work and so I guess she was right. Anyway it was interesting and she companied that she had stayed too long and her mamasan was going to be mad. She had to interpret for 2 of her friends before we began and it was kind of funny to hear her talking to some American dude about 2000 all night and the girls would let her do it as many times as he could etc.. He obviously was not negotiating. Anyway after it was all said and done all I could think was that this did not hold a candle to the sessions with a hot Mongolian girl who went into a kind of sexual frenzy that is oh so delicious and just not that easy to find anywhere else.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Alroy]

I am happy to say that I had no problems whatsoever bringing girls into the ST Regis and I even had one escorted by the security guard to make sure that she was a welcome guest while I waited in the room for her.

Anyway after the less than intense experiences of the night before I decided to go back to the lovely Sonie and check if my recollection was really as wonderful as I thought it was. IT WAS!

She was really happy to hear from me and was at home with a friend celebrating a birthday and agreed to come over in a flash. She came 20 mins later escorted by the security guy who smiled approvingly like he also understood why this particular girl was there.

All I can say is it was wonderful and we did it several times and were cuddling all night long -- surprise blow job while I was fast asleep, feeling soft real boobs pressing into your back while you fade in and out of sleep etc... Just a really nice sexual experience with cycles of frenzy, tenderness, cuddling and frenzy all over again. She loves to sleep really clinging to you and I just really enjoyed it -- I was kind of lucky to get together with her becuase she was leaving Beijing the next day (too bad as I would probably have called her over again, she really is that good). We just clicked sexually and both felt completely at ease and comfortable.

I think she will be coming back to Beijing by the end of October so guys be nice to her and you will be more than rewarded as she will give an evening that you will remember for a long time.

Outside of the lovely ladies in Thailand I am not sure if I have had such a pleasant punting experience anywhere in all my experience -- all over Europe and Asia.

I'm not sure if it is becuase these girls are simple or is it becuase they just have a really healthy attitude about life and maybe things in the UB are not so bad. There is no sob story and tale of woe, just a girl making ends meet and damned if she is not going to smile while she does it.

One thing for sure she certainly made me smile and raised our interaction to much more than a few f***s.

God bless the Mongolian hordes.

[WooVictor]

I was in Beijing for five days two weeks ago, and spent most of the time with my girl friend there. On the last night, however, I was on my own, having told her earlier that I would spend only four days in Beijing.

After finishing work on Friday, I went to the club at R&F City in Shuangjing in southern Third East Ring Road, a little south of the China World Hotel. This is an upper-middle class residential project and the club has got a swimming pool, a gym, plus tennis courts, badminton courts and other indoor sports facilities. It also has a sauna centre and a spa. When I arrived at the club the male receptionist immediately ushered me to the sauna, and was a bit surprised when I told him that I wanted to take a look at the spa.

The spa was very spacious and nicely decorated. It has eight treatment rooms, two of them being double rooms. I was first shown to a single room, which for some reason did not have a TV set. After I told the manager that I wanted one of the higher-priced spa packages plus a facial treatment, she took me to the double room instead. This is in fact the biggest room of all, probably some 50-60 square meters in size. Upon entrance there is a small foyer, then there is a sitting room with a huge sofa and a big-screen flat-panel TV. Behind the sitting room is the bathroom, which consists of a toilet, a shower, a twin Jacuzzi, a sauna room and a steam room, altogether about 15-20 square meters. Finally, there is the treatment room with two massage beds. The treatment consisted of a bath with some kind of seaweeds, then a body scrub and body wrap, and finally an oil massage. The facial treatment was done while I was having the body wrap.

My masseuse was a tall and well-built Heilongjiang girl with decent look and very fair skin. She was also quite talkative and we had a great time chatting throughout the whole session, which lasted a little over two hours. Her service was excellent and completely professional, with not a hint of eroticism, and I was not expecting any funny business. The whole experience was comparable with the spa treatment that one gets at the Banyan Tree in Thailand. In fact, one thing I didn’t feel comfortable with was that she made me wear a pair of disposable short pants all the time, except when I was taking a bath or shower. At each step of the treatment I had to change the underwear, and I went through three pairs during the whole treatment. At the last step, after I had finished my shower, when she saw that the underwear was still sitting on the cupboard in the sitting room where she had left it, she simply refused to enter the treatment room and declared that I must put on the underwear before she could do the oil massage. The Banyan Tree wouldn't be so uptight.

The spa and facial treatments cost a total of 1,300 yuan or about 160 US dollars. I bought a 5k card and got a 40% discount. There is no expiry date so I can go back anytime whenever I'm in Beijing. As Beijing in the winter is too harsh for my skin this will be very useful for me over the next few months. I really think that it is a great place for a nice body treatment and highly recommend it to anyone who wants an enjoyable experience.

The sauna centre is right next door to the spa and seems to offer the more traditional massage service that one finds in similar establishments in China. I suspect it may offer a happy ending with hand relief, but perhaps not full service. However, as I haven’t tried it I cannot be sure.

The reason why I have gone into such great length to talk about this place is not just because I do recommend it highly. I also want to answer some of the criticisms to my recent report on my experience at the Sanya Marriott spa. (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1790). I had no doubt that it was a real spa that only offered body treatment without any sexual service. Somehow I was able to entice my masseuse to give me a handjob (something I had never tried before, and have not tried afterwards), and I tipped her 300 yuan for her extra service.

Some brothers blasted me for ruining the market. While I believe you can screw a young girl in Sanya for as little as 200 yuan, I think many brothers have no clear idea of what a market is, judging from similar arguments in this forum in the past. For one thing, a spa is not a brothel, although most sauna joints or massage parlors in China are nothing more than a *****house. On that particular occasion in Sanya (and two weeks ago in Beijing), I didn’t go to a sex establishment.

Secondly, the market place consists of many different segments from the very expensive top end to the very cheap bottom end, and one purchases from whichever segment one wants according to one’s preference and affordability. As an analogy, consider buying a tie. You can buy a tie for as little as 10 US dollars in the hawkers market in Bangkok or Hong Kong, or you can walk into a Christian Dior shop on the Fifth Avenue in New York and pay more than 100 US. Whether it costs you 10 bucks or 100, or anywhere in between, it serves the same purpose – you tie it around your neck, over a shirt collar. But believe me, a 100 dollar tie IS different from a 10 dollar tie, and you can feel it.

Did I overpay and ruin the market in Sanya? No, I did not. I routinely give a tip of about 10 US after having a spa treatment that costs some 100-120 US. So a 300 yuan tip to this girl who gave me more than a spa treatment was not outrageous.

If I had paid 500 yuan or more for sex in a BBS in Sanya when the going rate is about 200, you can reasonably accuse me of overpaying. But that’s NOT what I’ve done. During my 13 years of mongering all over China, I’ve been to BBS for only four times, thrice for oral and once for sex, and I never paid more than 300 yuan. But after my last trip to a Shanghai BBS two years ago, I decided I’d never be back again.

We all have different needs and preferences, and we should respect each other’s choice. All I want to say is, a Dior tie does cost a lot more money, and you can feel the difference. You may not care for that difference, and that’s okay. You may even consider me an idiot for spending that much money on a tie, but I don’t think I overpay Dior when I buy a 100 dollar tie from them, and I certainly don’t ruin the 10 dollar tie market by doing that.

[Deque669]

I'm about to spend 1.5 days in Beijing before a 'corporate event' and I'm arriving late on Sunday night. I have checked the freeiva website and have selected a girl to be with me all day SUnday. I haven't read a lot of reports of girls being picked up thru the freeiva site. Any good/bad experience?

I'm staying at TRADERS HOTEL and given that I'm arriving at 8:00 pm at the airport, where should I go on SUNDAY night to relieve the stress from the flight?

[Alex Rock]

I fully agree with Intransit "So treat them as people, with respect."

I find that working girls can be good friends - they're just like everyone else but why do they get such little respect.

My ex had saved up a considerable fortune, bought 2 apartments and a car, dresses in designer clothes. She said when I'm older and no longer in the business who will know or care where I got my money from?

As I said in my post - now one working girl is one of my best friends - there is NOTHING she won't tell me and nothing I'm shy about telling her. It's something special that working girls are so liberal and accept things that "regular" girls have hang ups about.

[Lll1234]

I posted this earlier and got no response:

I was was in Hollywood not long ago and met a tall Uzbek/Russian from Tashkent. She has long, straight hair, kept in a ponytail. Hair color: red tint brunette. She said her name was Elena (Maybe Lena). She has very fair skin color. Very nice model like features. Was wearing a double happiness necklace. I did not make contact. I lost her mobile number. Can anyone tell more about her and how to contact. She also mentioned that she frequents a club near by named Absent or Absenta.

Thanks in advance guys!

[Nakatani]

I also met up with Alroy's "University" student the other day. She almost ran over me, passed me her number, and said I could call her later. When I did, I got the same story about something happening to her in the past that pushed her into the business. When I pressed for more info, she only claimed it was her secret! She also claimed she lost her virginity a year prior, but had 4 boyfriends since then. Even better, she claimed she had only been in the business for 15 days, but already had aspirations to be a mama-san. She even offered to set me up with some more "unique" experiences if I was interested.

I had a great time talking with her, but the sex wasn't at the same level as the conversation. How often does that happen to you in China? All in all, probably wont call her again, but the way she sends the BS radar ringing is almost worth the amusement!

[Far East Andy]

Had a bike ride up to Shunyi today and was really impressed with the amount of BBS / massage places up there.

There is one street which must be the red light area, it has about 15 BBS, most with about 6-10 girls in each.
Skipped the red light area and tried a massage place near the entry to Shunyi.
Choice of about 8 girls, chose a little chunky one as she had a beeming smile and looked fun.
Upstairs is full of rooms with double beds, this place is brand new so really clean. Anyway, 35rmb for the massage and a good one at that, then asked if I wanted my xiao didi massaging... sure.
She started with 150rmb and came down to 80 (not including massage fee).

She was alot of fun, top off, nice big hooters, pants off and didn't mind a little DATY. One of the good things is there's a shower there, as they also offer full oil massage, which she used before I give her a good licking.

She was loads of fun, and I was in there for 1 1/2 hrs, she knew exactly when to slow down as to not let me shoot too quickly. She was also getting right into it as I was DATY, then down for a tit job also....

I should have asked but didn't if they offered any other services, but will return and find out, will take same girl as the shyness has already gone.

Overall

Girl:

Age: 21
Hunan
Looks 6
Body 7
HJ 9
DATY 10 (she went mad)
Tit Job 9 (really nice melon shaped)
Massage place itself 8
Pussy 9 (nice and tight)

Shunyi: 10 loads of BBS and massage places, and I mean loads.

Cost 115 rmb.

Happy Hunting

[Far East Andy]

Just read AG's report on more specific reports so better add directions to the Shunyi massage place, (don't want to get into trouble)

Okay, up Jinchun road until big roundabout, sign saying shunyi, turn right.
Head up the highway past the airport turn off until you go under the railway bridge.
After the bridge you come to a set of lights turn left.
The massage place is about 200 yards on your left mixed in between a parade of shops, it has pink and blue lights inside and glowing chinese characters with 35 on the front.
If you get lost find McDonalds, it's on the same road, so stand outside of McDonalds and turn right, about 400 yards, you can't miss it.
Sorry no number.

Cheers

FEA

[Canada]

I tried Freeiva last year and picked a girl froom the photo,When she arrived she was about 25 lbs heavier than her picture. Probably an early picture. Went for lunch and a tour but she was not expecting to do anything but tour of city. Let her go early as she definately wasn't my type. I think most of the girls are not up for sex

[Far East Andy]

Just back from the Shunyi massage place as mentioned earlier.

BBBJ 200rmb
FS 300 rmb

Chose an older girl today and she was just as good. Had 2hrs, none stop sex, blow jobs, DATY, massage, tit jobs, loads of positions.

Total 300 rmb

Will explore further afield soon.

Happy Hunting

[OldAsiaHand]

The reason why I have gone into such great length to talk about this place is not just because I do recommend it highly. I also want to answer some of the criticisms to my recent report on my experience at the Sanya Marriott spa. (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1790). I had no doubt that it was a real spa that only offered body treatment without any sexual service. Somehow I was able to entice my masseuse to give me a handjob (something I had never tried before, and have not tried afterwards), and I tipped her 300 yuan for her extra service.

Some brothers blasted me for ruining the market. While I believe you can screw a young girl in Sanya for as little as 200 yuan, I think many brothers have no clear idea of what a market is, judging from similar arguments in this forum in the past. For one thing, a spa is not a brothel, although most sauna joints or massage parlors in China are nothing more than a *****house. On that particular occasion in Sanya (and two weeks ago in Beijing), I didn’t go to a sex establishment.

Secondly, the market place consists of many different segments from the very expensive top end to the very cheap bottom end, and one purchases from whichever segment one wants according to one’s preference and affordability. As an analogy, consider buying a tie. You can buy a tie for as little as 10 US dollars in the hawkers market in Bangkok or Hong Kong, or you can walk into a Christian Dior shop on the Fifth Avenue in New York and pay more than 100 US. Whether it costs you 10 bucks or 100, or anywhere in between, it serves the same purpose – you tie it around your neck, over a shirt collar. But believe me, a 100 dollar tie IS different from a 10 dollar tie, and you can feel it.

Did I overpay and ruin the market in Sanya? No, I did not. I routinely give a tip of about 10 US after having a spa treatment that costs some 100-120 US. So a 300 yuan tip to this girl who gave me more than a spa treatment was not outrageous.

If I had paid 500 yuan or more for sex in a BBS in Sanya when the going rate is about 200, you can reasonably accuse me of overpaying. But that’s NOT what I’ve done. During my 13 years of mongering all over China, I’ve been to BBS for only four times, thrice for oral and once for sex, and I never paid more than 300 yuan. But after my last trip to a Shanghai BBS two years ago, I decided I’d never be back again.

We all have different needs and preferences, and we should respect each other’s choice. All I want to say is, a Dior tie does cost a lot more money, and you can feel the difference. You may not care for that difference, and that’s okay. You may even consider me an idiot for spending that much money on a tie, but I don’t think I overpay Dior when I buy a 100 dollar tie from them, and I certainly don’t ruin the 10 dollar tie market by doing that.

WooVictor,

Please accept my apology. I was one of the brothers that blasted you. You are certainly not the first and only guy that tipped 300 RMB for a HJ in China, nor will you be the last. My post was not in any way intended as a personal attack. I understand your rationale.

I've also bought $100 ties, but prefer Armani to Dior. However, these ties cost the same money almost everywhere in the world. That is the going price for top designer ties. You cannot compare the fine silk quality with the $10 synthetic material tie you buy on the street in Thailand. You are right, there is a BIG difference. The issue is that you cannot buy real designer tie cheaper somewhere else.

On the other hand, there are many options for a HJ in China as I mentioned in my post. In these places, there is a standard price for a HJ. If a HJ is not on the menu at the Marriott Spa, there is no going price for this service. Therefore, what you paid is doesn't matter and has no effect on the market because the Marriott Spa is not in the market. If you enjoyed the experience and the service, the tip is your perogative.

I understand that you prefer to monger in the top end of the market and are willing to pay for it. Mongers like Erik (the other blaster) and I monger primarily in the low end. I cannot afford to pay as much based on the quantity and frequency I indulge. Having said that, I do pay whatever the going price is wherever I monger e.g. I've paid up to 2k HK$ for Latins in Hong Kong recently, 30k Yen in Japan and 300 US$/Euro for escorts in New York and Paris. I just don't do it that often.

Finally, I hope to have the opportunity to hook-up with you one day. I want to try and show you some BBS joints in China that may change your mind. Anyway, the drinks are on me.

OAH

[Chibi Asian]

in prior posts, i have described places west of tianmen where sexual services are available. yesterday, i continued in my quest for the best fuck in the west. didn't find it yet but here is what i did find.

take the subway to xidan, one stop west of tianmen. cross under chang an jie (big east west avenue that runs in frong to the forbidden city) to the south side and walk west until you pass the brazilian roast meat restaurant on your left (not a bad place for roast meat). a little farther, you will pass another restaurant on your left which in chinese brags about specializing in dog meat.

at the next street, turn left (no street sign that i could see). walk about 50 to 100 meters. on your left, you will see a couple of barber shops. cute, vivacious hunan girls work there (you guys would probably call them 8s) and offer full service for 300. one offered me bbbj but that was after i had finished with her friend and did not want a second shot.

there are more barber shops further down the street and on a cross street to the left and/or right (can't remember which). i did not try these other places but they looked promising.

one limitation of the place i went to was the sense of insecurity (small back room with no lock and its door clearly visible thru glass street doors which had to be locked first). makes the whole thing rushed.

good news is the girls are eager, attractive and will go to your place if you like. earlier today, i went to xidan train station, in hopes of finding this place that you mentioned about. when i got out of the train station, i was confused as to which exit (there was a to e exits) i should go out from. went and checked the map on the train station for a place called chang an jie and found that it's best to get out from exit d. i was right.

out of exit d, first thing i noticed is the big xidan bookstore building to the north. then i got confused as to which direction i should go to. first i went to the left side. then i realised that there's too many big and new buildings around. a bbs is unlikely to be in this direction. then i went to the east and found a road sign which points to "xi chang an road" up ahead. walked and kept a lookout for any brazilian roast meat restaurant (whats the name i should look out for? ) and a chinese restaurant which serves dog meat (once again, which restaurant name should i be looking for? )

the biggest landmark that i saw, before reaching the south of the forbidden palace was a china post. once i arrived at the forbidden palace, i went straight ahead and found out that i was actually already at the east chang an road. since i read something about walking south, and then west chang an road, i walked back to the south, still trying to keep a lookout on the brazilian restaurant and any chinese word that might denote the word "dog meat" or something. still couldn't find anything.

after walking back and forth a couple of times, i decided to walk to the smaller roads south of the forbidden palace. man, i walked a lot today. walked for much more than 100 meters for the different lanes, but still couldn't find what you were talking about. man, i have a really bad sense of direction. after walking a very long time more and more towards the south, i did manage to see a couple of bbs rep001tered around. however, some of em seem to be legitimate barbershops and there's actually people cutting hair inside. of course as i walked even deeper inside, there was a couple very seedy looking bbs with one or two unattractive middle-aged women sitting inside doing nothing. so i didn't even bother.

phew. overall, spent over 2 or 3 hours walking trying to find the place that you were talking about. but had no luck. only ended up with very tired legs and views of some of the old hutongs which has a weird smell and bad condition. was actually too tired to do anything even if i finally found the bbs place.

oldasiahand, if you could, please introduce me some good bbs places, as i've never been to one before. better still, lets go together to one. the only places i've been to in china are the saunas in dong guan and hou jie. i've yet to find luck in beijing. and about maggies and the fabolous mongolian chicks i've been reading about, i'll definatelly have troubles getting in, since i have the appearance of a young asian guy.

young overseas born chinese

p. s: ever since this place got changed to isg, i had lots of troubles finding the name of the new site. dammit.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Chibi Asian]

In prior posts, I have described places west of Tianmen where sexual services are available. Yesterday, I continued in my quest for the best fuck in the west. Didnt find it yet but here is what I did find.

Take the subway to Xidan, one stop west of Tianmen. Cross under Chang An Jie (big east west avenue that runs in frong to the Forbidden city) to the south side and walk west until you pass the Brazilian roast meat restaurant on your left (not a bad place for roast meat). A little farther, you will pass another restaurant on your left which in Chinese brags about specializing in dog meat.

At the next street, turn left (no street sign that I could see). Walk about 50 to 100 meters. On your left, you will see a couple of barber shops. Cute, vivacious Hunan girls work there(You guys would probably call them 8s) and offer full service for 300. One offered me bbbj but that was after I had finished with her friend and did not want a second shot.

There are more barber shops further down the street and on a cross street to the left and/or right (cant remember which). I did not try these other places but they looked promising.

One limitation of the place I went to was the sense of insecurity (small back room with no lock and its door clearly visible thru glass street doors which had to be locked first). Makes the whole thing rushed.

Good news is the girls are eager, attractive and will go to your place if you like.Sob, I just wrote a long report about how I couldn't find the above described place for two or three hours and gave up. But apparantly I screwed up or something and it didn't end up being posted. Makes me want to cry.

Anyways, OldAsiaHand could you please recommend me some good BBS places in Beijing? I've yet to try BBS in China. The only thing I've experienced in China the most is the saunas in Dong Guan and Hou Jie. I havent had much luck during my stay in Beijing. Except for the home delivery service which offered massage in the namecard, but the girls who came actually don't give massages. (Chinese definatelly required) Tried them twice in the past, but not convenient anymore now, since my new housemate is a girl.

[OldAsiaHand]

Chibi Asian:

Although I lived in Beiing many years ago, I am now S. China based and only travel to Beijing on business occasionally. Therefore, my BBS intelligence in Beijing is way out of date. I've only tried the Lido BBS since then and would not recommend them. They are overpriced and no on-site FS was available when I was last there. I did manage a BBBJ once for 300 RMB, but that was also some time ago. More recently, I've limited my mongering to The Pig and Maggies.

I suggest that you PM the likes of Sammy-T and Intransit who are the resident Beijing experts on the board.

If you get down South, drop me a PM.

Happy Hunting!

OAH

[Chibi Asian]

OldAsiaHand,

Which part of the south are you based in? Starting from mid-dec I'll be based in Dong Guan (I don't know what the name of the area is). The action that I know of there, is mainly sauna, ktv and the foot massages (or massage). I've actually gotten laid in a foot massage parlour there before, with no locks and the thrill of someone just opening the door is wicked.

December will be a really fun time, because I'll have another male monger friend who's coming to Dong Guan because of the wedding of some local collegue of mine.

Meanwhile with regards to beijing, i guess i'll just try to explore more on my own and see how it goes. I've been ripped off bad before at a VERY expensive massage place. Ended up spending 3600 rmb and didnt even get a hj/bj/fs. And the lame masseuse giving a lame massage while trying to seduce me in order for me to try the more expensive massage option which still doesnt include any bj or fs (and I doubt even hj). I forgot the name of the place (I'd have damned it bad here otherwise), and I got there by asking a taxi driver to recommend me a massage place. Apparantly the place is open 24 hours.

[Shanghaied2001]

Recently tried this advert from That's Beijing. Gal CiCi is true and real to the description below. Lookwise 6/10 but she will do HJ without asking after giving a 30mins of sensual light massage with oil. Don't expect good hard oil rub massage. She will not do FJ but other bros may try. Paid RMB300 for a one half hour session in my hotel room. Quite a good conversationalist. Know what she wants in life and very careful of clients.

"Cici, 26, 173cm 5-year experienced masseuse. Good at Chinese and full-body oil massage. As a professional masseuse my massage style is soft and relaxed. Your skin will feel silky, and your body will feel comfortable. You will enjoy the best possible massage at your home. Please make an appointment at your apartment or hotel. 200 RMB/hour Call:13366805513. If you have any questions, please send an SMS to my cellphone "I sms-ed Cici and she's available till 11pm only. (usually) Might try her out tonight. Asked her about full service and she said she doesn't provide it but can arrange for someone who does at RMB800. She is asking for RMB300 for massage and handjob. I'll take your word for it and try her out.

[AsiaTraveller]

Tried to find the address of Friendship Palace - can anybody help? I only found the Friendship Hotel in Sinohotel guide - is this the hotel Alex was referring to?

Will be in Beijing next week to do some hunting at the Hollywood and perhaps at the Friendship Palace - if I can find it.


It's located in the building behind the main hotel building and behind the beer garden.

Check it out. A mamasan who used to work at Passion (at the bar not as a bar girl) explained the "guiju" (practices). Most girls are models (or could be) and during the World Cup are dressed in super mini skirts with bikini tops, many are students making waikuai (money on the side) and trust me there are many really pretty girls.

They wear numbers and in the entrance there is a photo wall with the numbers. The rate for FS is 1000 RMB. You can order girls by number and take them out or if you get to know a mama you can phone for girls.

The place is big Karaoke - so they try to get you into the karaoke rooms - don't go there unless you're entertaining, you get hit for the tips and fruit etc.

You can drink in the main bar and watch the girls then choose one - or two.

[AsiaTraveller]

I have been to the new Passion Night Club next to the Sheraton Great Wall a couple of times. (Un)fortunately I allways went there with a girlfriend.

The girls there are really pretty - modell like Chinese girls and definitively looked interrested. Does anybody know how the system works there? I couldn't ask because I had company already.

Your help would really be appreciated.

[Tom2004]

Hi Folks,

I started to RTFF but got somewhat confused with the AMP and different currencies. Is anyone in the position to comment about the rates at

(a) Hard Rock Cafe (for ST or LT, plus what are the common services incl.)
(b) Outcall Services

During my past visits I found rates in China/Beijing always so varying I frequently felt fooled or overcharged. Some clarity should be appreciated.

Hope my old contacts will work too.

Greetings,

Tom

[Camieleke]

After reading the forum I read about some websites like Tom.com and Banwan.com...
Does anybody know if they also exist in English?
Or does anybody know some other sites in English to chat we chinese girls?

Thanks
C.

[Eaglestar]

After reading the forum I read about some websites like Tom.com and Banwan.com...
Does anybody know if they also exist in English?
Or does anybody know some other sites in English to chat we chinese girls?

Thanks
C.

PM Arctic 1. He has a post in the photo gallery that seems to indicate he used Banwan. I tried to open the Banwan.com English version but could not.

ES

[Dissident]

Tried to find the address of Friendship Palace - can anybody help? I only found the Friendship Hotel in Sinohotel guide - is this the hotel Alex was referring to?

Will be in Beijing next week to do some hunting at the Hollywood and perhaps at the Friendship Palace - if I can find it.It is the KTV in back of the Friendship Hotel. The actual name of the place is (going from memory so I might be off by a little bit) Golden Port International Night Club. (金港国际俱乐部 - jin gang guoji julebu) or something very close to that. You basically first go to the Friendship Hotel (友谊宾馆 - youyi binguan), which almost every cab driver should know, and then walk around it. If you walk around the left, you'll pass a TGIFriday's. Keep on walking behind and you'll get to a relatively big complex. The KTV place is in the basement of that building.

[Mijn Muze]

Does anyone know if Novotel Xinqiao hotel or Taiwan hotel is GF?

[Mijn Muze]

Does anyone know if the Taiwan hotel or Novotel Xinqiao hotel are GF?

Any experienced monger there from 19 to 25 Nov to go hunting together?

How to distinguish a Mongolian girl form ordinary Chinese?

[Time Keeping]

Hello,

I'm in the process of researching my trip to Beijing and the reports here has proven to be most useful. I have not posted before but have been lurking for some time.

I stumbled upon this just then:

http://xxxchuchu.bokee.com/photo/showPhoto2.b

Given my rather limited Chinese, this blog appears to be written by 2 working girls. Maybe it's my bad Chinese but the blog entries seem to make vague references to their job as working girls.

From the pictures, they look like twins!

While I understand that this could well be far too good to be true, I wonder if anyone has any experience with them?

Thanks in advance.

[Chibi Asian]

It appears that in many cities in China, if a 3 to 4 star hotel has a sauna-massage services, they provide full service. Stayed in Tian Hong (Tianhong) Plaza Hotel in Beijing (25 Zhi Chun Road, Haidian District) and they provided full service for 500 RMB.They are soon changing name to Park Plaza Hotel. It is completely accetable to ask for "full service massage" or "Special message." If a massage costs 200 RMB, it is not with sex.

Also a suggestion for fellows posting on this site, it is impossible to tell a taxi driver where to take you unless there is actual address, and hopefully written in Chinese by your hotel staff. Thus, sauna names, hotel names etc on post should include actual address. I could not find Hollywood Bar in Beijing due to not having actual address in my possesion.I went there earlier today. Sauna was easy enough to find. Level 3. Lots of sign available. However, as i entered, a big dissappointment followed. I was asked if i was a current guest of the hotel - which i'm not. To use the sauna facilities there, either i had to be a current guest of the hotel, or join some sort of membership. Didnt even bother asking how much it'll cost.

I love saunas. A very big fan of it (because i first started in Dong Guan). Can anyone recommend me any reasonable one? A sauna that's open for outside guests? I dont mind if chinese is required. I speak it quite fluently.

=====

So, near my apartment (haidian district) opens a new foot reflexology and massage place. Went there and got a decent foot massage while enquiring them if there was any sort of "more expensive than others" massage available. Apparantly there was. Normal massages cost about 150 rmb, but this one costed double at 298 rmb.

Tried it. Just a normal oil massage (although more sensual), and towards the end a pretty decent and erotic hj. The first time i went, i got a 22 year old petite girl who's very gentle and erotic in her touch. For looks, i'd have to give her a 6 and for body another 6. But for performance, i'd give her an 8. Very erotic. Spent 90 minutes in the room and tried to seduce/persuade her into giving fs, but she refused with the excuse of "first time" and "this is my workplace". In the end, no matter how good she was, i didnt have any release - just because it's nearly impossible for me without fs.

However, all the rooms there had LOCKS! First time ever i've seen a massage/foot massage place with an intact lock available! And in the massage room, there's only 1 bed, 1 box of tissues and 1 picture of a naked lady. =)

The second time I went (just a couple of hours ago) is in the middle of the night at 1 am. This time, I got a much more attractive looking lady. I'd give her looks 7.5 and her figure a 7. Personality wise, much more cheerful and less sensual than the first one. Gave a decent normal massage before ending things with the normal didi caressing. Overall 90 minutes in the room again, but still didnt have a finish. Again, not her fault in any ways - i'm just built this way.

Ah, I forgot to mention something. I think you need to know at least basic chinese to be able to communicate. Usually when you get in, they'll just let u sit down on the lounge sofa and let you take off your shoes/socks and wear a house sandals and hand you a number (like a spa). Then they'll ask you whether you want foot massage (zhu liao - 足）or body massage (bao jian - 按摩) and will take you to the respective room. Most of the rooms here are for a single person.

Once you're in the room, they'll ask what kind of massage you want. The normal ones cost about 100-ish rmb. The RnT is the one costing 298 rmb - the odd expensive one out of all. Have fun. =]

If any RnT (or just pure massage/foot reflexology) aficionado is interested, the address is at: Qing Hua North Road, Fu Run Housing Complex, Haidian District - 海淀区，清华东路，富润家园107《unreadable word》商. I have a vip member which gives a 30% discount, so give me a holla if you're interested.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Opticus]

Does anyone know if the Taiwan hotel or Novotel Xinqiao hotel are GF?

Any experienced monger there from 19 to 25 Nov to go hunting together?

How to distinguish a Mongolian girl form ordinary Chinese?It is not too difficult to tell Mongolian girls from Chinese. Mongolians have a bit harder face with higher cheeck bones and are normally also taller. one tip: just go to Maggies ( good hunting place anyway and the best music in Beijing ) and I promise you learn in five minutes to tell Mongolians from Chinese.

As to hotels it varies greatly but most hotels it is not a problem just smile a the security guard... particularly the smaller ones is never a problem. I only had one time been stopped a the Sheraton many years ago, usually stay at the Landmark, good location and absolutely stunning bath rooms with full glass wall so you can see the girl shower, can be great fun.

Happy hunting

[Sammy_T]

Before I reply to Tom2004 I want to point out for the "Regular Members" that your posts are delayed 24 hours while they are reviewed by the webmaster. Please do not post the exact same thing twice. Your origional post will show up once it is approved.

Regarding pricing in Beijing, Tom2004 asks:

Hi Folks,
I started to RTFF but got somewhat confused with the AMP and different currencies. Is anyone in the position to comment about the rates at
(a) Hard Rock Cafe (for ST or LT, plus what are the common services incl.)
(b) Outcall Services
During my past visits I found rates in China/Beijing always so varying I frequently felt fooled or overcharged. Some clarity should be appreciated.
Hope my old contacts will work too.
Greetings,
Tom
Based on other comments from those that frequently travel in other areas of China, Beijing is more expensive. I believe my comments in the Beijing FAQ still ring true: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=397852&postcount=3283


Cost
Many factors impact the price - short time vs. all night, age and experience of the girl, time in the evening (early/late), venue (Pig, Hard Rock, Maggie's), and so on. I am a firm believer in the idea that you get what you pay for. I want a good experience, so I am willing to pay a little more. I believe the price schedule I use is fair to both parties.
Chinese Farm Girl from off the street who speaks no English. One shot - 300 RMB
Chinese Girl from a bar who speaks English - 600 RMB (all night is rare because they have a home to go to)
Young Mongolian Girl early evening, one shot: 800 RMB. Early evening all night: 1,200 RMB. Late night one shot: 600 RMB, late night all night: 1,000 RMB
Older Mongolian girl 600 RMB
Russian girl: anyware from 600 RMB - 1,000 RMB depending on how busy they are

The girls that hang out in front of the Hard Rock know it is a spot frequented by tourists, so they will start off higher in price. You should be able to get them down to a reasonable number using the guidelines above.

It seems most "out call" services are ads from the local expat magizines (like "That's Beijing"). These providers offer "massage" services. While I have never tried them, several people have and posted their comments on this site. As a rule, the girl that arrives will not be the one in the picture. They will also typically be more expensive because they speak English, and have gone to the trouble of posting an ad in a magizine. They will certainly try to up-sell you on additional services. If you are going this route I suggest you set the price in the begining, outline the services you expect, and then stick to it. Do not give in when she gets you aroused and then asks for more money.

If you want out call service I strongly recommend you do a little of your own field work - spend 1 night and go to the Pig, Hard Rock, and Maggie's. Chat up the girls and get phone numbers. You can always call them and ask them to meet you at your hotel.

When it is all said and done 2 facts ring true in Beijing (as they do everywhere in the world) -
(A) You get what you pay for, and
(B) If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

Happy Hunting.

Sammy

[Chibi Asian]

It seems most "out call" services are ads from the local expat magizines (like "That's Beijing"). These providers offer "massage" services. While I have never tried them, several people have and posted their comments on this site. As a rule, the girl that arrives will not be the one in the picture. They will also typically be more expensive because they speak English, and have gone to the trouble of posting an ad in a magizine. They will certainly try to up-sell you on additional services. If you are going this route I suggest you set the price in the begining, outline the services you expect, and then stick to it. Do not give in when she gets you aroused and then asks for more money.

SammyI've tried this before earlier this year. In my opinion, it's a very conveniont service for a lazy person. I have called 3 different numbers in 4 different occasions and tried 3 different ladies. However, the numbers that I got arent from thatsbj, but the namecards that they leave outside my apartment door. The kind that promotes massage at various prices, but they put a picture of a sexy lady in front of it.

This kind of outcall is risky to the very least. Similar to a blind date - you don't know what you're gonna get. It depends on how you negotiate with the person on the phone of which girl she should send over to your place. It also depends a lot on your luck too. One thing I've learnt is that it's best to negotiate the price for full service with the person on the phone before she sends the girl over. So that at least you know if the person she sent over is trying to overcharge you or rip of you off. The price quoted for me was 500 rmb full service for 60-90 minutes (it varies).

By the way, even though I'm a foreigner, I'm an overseas born chinese. Speaking chinese isnt a problem for me. So it isnt a problem for me to impersonate a local here. Don't know how much they'll charge a caucasian.

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The first time I tried it, they sent me a 19 year old girl from. (I forgot). If I'm not wrong, her name was either (1) Nu Rong or (2) Fang Li. I'll explain more about that later. Her looks are just slightly above average. Definatelly young and I had quite a surprisingly GFE with her. Her height's about 1. 6m give and take and her figure was normal for 19 year old - even though she seemed to be more to the big boned side. Definatelly not the petite type. Be cup boobs. What gets me the most is her smile. I just loved the way she smiled.

Her massage skills are average. Tried to knead here and there for a while before trying to arouse me. After we decided on a price (she started with 800 and I bargained down to 500), she did a nice BBBJ and followed by capped fj with her on top. Had quite a wild time with her with french kissing and everything. I still remember that Sunday noon when my poor ex-housemate was still asleep due to a hangover from previous night's clubbing in the first night of coco-banana's grand opening night with DJ tiesto. And she was moaning so loud that it woke him up. LOL.

Looks: 7
Body: 7
Personality: 8
Performance: 8.5
Would i do her again: yes

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The second time I tried calling another number, they sent me this old middle aged woman. (Okay, I'm only 22, so I consider middle aged woman whose age shows, to be old) She claimed to be 28 but it seemed that she looked at least over 30s. Did the usual half-assed massage for a while before turning me over and trying to arouse me. And then I asked for the price. She wouldnt budge at 700 or 800 rmb. Can't remember clearly. Told her no and just resumed with the half assed massage which in the end costed 200++ rmb. Finished and done, sent her packing.

Highly not recommended.

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The third time I called, I got a very friendly operator who chit-chatted and joked with me for a while. Asked me what my preference was. If I liked cute ones, pretty ones, tall ones, sexy ones, big boobed ones, etc etc. In the end I told her, just send me what you think is nice. Then she told me she'll send me a cute girl. I just shrugged it off and wondered how will the taste of a woman will be like compared to a guy. Did I just made a mistake?

A VERY petite girl came. Her name's either (2)Fang Li or (1)Nu Rong, I can't really remember which is which. She was only about 1. 5m and was really slim. I could lift her up with one hand no problem. Told me that she was 22 but definatelly looks younger than that. I would believe her if she told me she was 17 or 18. Found out that she's still in uni studying foreign language. Japanese. And this part she's telling the truth, because I know a bit of japanese to hold a decent conversation - and she did manage to reply in decent japanese!

Looks wise, the first time I saw her, I was really dissapointed. I wouldnt have given her more than a 6. Probably just a 5. But as time went on, she seemed to be cuter and it just grows on you. She still had her braces on, so when she smiled it's quite cute. Gives you sort of a schoolgirl kind of feeling. However, the real surprising thing is that she has about at least a see cup 100% natural soft and firm and nicely shaped boobs! It might even be a D cup. Definatelly NOT proportional to her height and weight.

Overall she gave a decent service. She told me that (back then) she only started working in this line for only a month and she's lost her virginity less than half a year ago. In Dec 2005! And one thing I really really have to give her credit for. The tightness of her pussy. In my whole life of mongering and having sex with normal girls and girlfriends (even virgin ones), I've only had two occasions (this is the 2nd time) whereby the pussy is this tight that I had problems entering her in the beginning.

Once inside, it felt like as if someone is squeezing it really tight and I really really had a huge trouble trying to last as long as I normally do. The sensation was simply amazing and I had one of the best orgasms in my life ever. Even though she might be lacking in experience and skills, this more than made up for it.

Looks: 5.5 or 6
Body: 8.5 if you're into small/petite and big boobs
Performance: 6 or 7
Pussy power: 10 - really really rare
Repeat: Definatelly yes.

But I tried calling her a couple of times but I couldn't get her. Either phone busy, turned off or didn't pick up. Maybe the fact that I called at about 2 or 3 am contributed to that. Never had the chance to have a repeat session with her.

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My fourth call was my first call. Instead of calling the agency, I called her mobile directly. I always ask for their personal phone number when I like them. It was the middle of the night and this time she took quite a while to arrive. The first time took less than half an hour. This time she took a little more than an hour which was quite annoying.

After a month or two since I last saw her, her appearance changed a little. She had a haircut. Which I would describe as a typical weird chinese hairstylist trying to express his weird individuality on this poor girl's hair. She also seemed to have gained a little weight and her abs aren't as lean as they used to be.

But this time, her performance was much better than the previous time since she was already familiar with me. Had a better GFE than the last time that I agreed when she proposed to stay overnight. She charged me 800rmb for overnight which I refused at first. But she told me that she'll stay longer the next day (and do it as many times as I wanted), I agreed.

This time, I didn't know how, but the topic of cameras and camera phones got into the conversation and I had the pleasant surprise that she's definatelly NOT camera shy. I didn't take some pictures of her, but I did record our session using my camera phone. My phone sucked - it's a moto V3 and didn't have very clear images. She's not shy at all when I did the recording and she giggled and wanted to see the results too.

I would've gladly posted the vids here, but I just deleted the lot of them last month because a couple of tiny nieces of mine were playing with my phone and I didn't want them to stumble upon that.

So in the end, we did it at night, slept naked, woke up and did it again in the morning. Normal stuff.

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So if anyone is interested in either Fang Li or Nu Rong, msg me for their personal mobile number. Or if anyone thinks that it's a better idea for me to post it here, I'll be more than happy to (I'm not really familiar with the board rules - don't want to offend anyone).

For this, I think you need to be able to speak a little chinese though. At least enough to communicate and discuss the deal with them. Their english skills should be either very basic or non-existant.

P. S: I have yet to call either one of them again because it's a new semester and I have a new housemate. This time it's a girl, so it's really inconvenient for me to bring a WL home when she's around. And god knows when she's going to be around. This is the reason why I'm looking for a sauna or BBS. Can anyone PLEASE recommend me something. Anything. I need to get laid BAD.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[OldAsiaHand]

Chibi Asian,

I am not sure if this constitutes crosstalk, but since you are only a Regular Member, I cannot PM you.

I am all over S. China, primarily GZ, SZ and all points in between. PM me when you relocate (assuming you have joined this website and have PM access).

OAH



OldAsiaHand,
Which part of the south are you based in? Starting from mid-dec I'll be based in Dong Guan (I don't know what the name of the area is).

[Mijn Muze]

A VERY petite girl came. Her name's either (2)Fang Li or (1)Nu Rong, I can't really remember which is which. She was only about 1. 5m and was really slim. I could lift her up with one hand no problem. Told me that she was 22 but definatelly looks younger than that. I would believe her if she told me she was 17 or 18.

Any english skills?

Do you have her tel number for me?

[GlenEagle]

[QUOTE=Chibi Asian]So if anyone is interested in either Fang Li or Nu Rong, msg me for their personal mobile number. Or if anyone thinks that it's a better idea for me to post it here, I'll be more than happy to.[QUOTE]Hi,

Can you share the mobile number of Fang Li or Nu Rong. Which of them is your first or third time. The first and the fourth time is the same girl.

Thanks for sharing,

GlenEagle

[Chibi Asian]

A VERY petite girl came. Her name's either (2)Fang Li or (1)Nu Rong, I can't really remember which is which. She was only about 1. 5m and was really slim. I could lift her up with one hand no problem. Told me that she was 22 but definatelly looks younger than that. I would believe her if she told me she was 17 or 18.

Any english skills?

Do you have her tel number for me?As far as i know, they dont speak any english. The whole time i was conversing in chinese with them. Anyways here are their numbers:

Nu Rong: 13164274679
Fang Li: 13141457073.

If my memory serves me right, Nu rong is the name of girl number 1 and Fang Li is the petite girl.

[Lao Ma]

Chibi, suggest you read the rules section - not allowed to post phone numbers.

[Chibi Asian]

Chibi, suggest you read the rules section - not allowed to post phone numbers.Oopps, sorry... didnt mean to violate rules.

Please delete it then.

Then what should I do if it's an outcall service?

How to provide the info?

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Hi Chibi Asian,

Woy asked "How to provide the info?"

The answer: Invite other forum members to contact you by PM to exchange this information.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Storm Cat]

Chibi Asian,

I will be in BJ during 12-17 Oct and may need to have the phone number of the provider of the "massage service". And wonder if you will be interested to go to the KTV together. Tried to send you private message but in vain. My QQ number is 38703793.

Fireball

[Spider916]

hi Guys,

I did RTFF and searched but could not find any info on the Swissotel Beijing, Hong Kong Macau Center.

Does anybody know if it is girlfriendly or if there is action available in the hotel or nearby?

Thanks a Lot

[Sebastian My]

Oopps, sorry... didnt mean to violate rules.
Please delete it then.
Then what should I do if it's an outcall service?
How to provide the info?
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Hi Chibi Asian,
Woy asked "How to provide the info?"
The answer: Invite other forum members to contact you by PM to exchange this information.
Thanks,
Jackson

As indicated join up and use the PM facility. You will save the membership fee on your first mongering trip by using this wonderful web site. You also do not need a credit card and can join with a money order or cash.

Also - to remove the phone numbers - use the edit function to remove them.

To edit select the edit buttom at the bottom right of your posting. I am assumming even non-substribing member are allowed to edit their own postings. However i suddently realised that providing professional provider's phone numbers on the web site is possibly not against the rules, especially if those numbers are also given out to punter's in the form of business cards - so may not be a need to edit after all.

[Kunshan]

hi Guys,

I did RTFF and searched but could not find any info on the Swissotel Beijing, Hong Kong Macau Center.

Does anybody know if it is girlfriendly or if there is action available in the hotel or nearby?

Thanks a Lot

As far as I know there is no action in the hotel, but if you bring a girl before 11 to the room (or a non Chinese girl after 11) then you should have no problems.

There used to be a way that you could come in the apartment door (at the side of the hotel) take the lift to the 10th??? floor (I forget which level) and use the unlocked door to the hotel corridor and then the hotel lift,,,,,but you might like to check this during the day when you have time, most of the doors between the apartment building and hotel corridors are locked.

If the door on that level (10th???) is still unlocked then you don't have to bring the girl through the hotel lobby to get to your room.

[Chibi Asian]

As indicated join up and use the PM facility. You will save the membership fee on your first mongering trip by using this wonderful web site. Also - to remove the phone numbers - use the edit function to remove them.Um, sorry but I can't find any edit buttons anywhere. Only the quote button. And it's not that I don't want to join. More like I'm unable to join. I dont have a credit card.

[Storm Cat]

As far as i know, they dont speak any english. The whole time i was conversing in chinese with them. Anyways here are their numbers:

Nu Rong: 13164274679
Fang Li: 13141457073.

If my memory serves me right, Nu rong is the name of girl number 1 and Fang Li is the petite girl.

Tried to call both the numbers but both are not working. I am so boring staying in hotel now.

[Storm Cat]

It is the KTV in back of the Friendship Hotel. The actual name of the place is (going from memory so I might be off by a little bit) Golden Port International Night Club. (金港国际俱乐部 - jin gang guoji julebu) or something very close to that. You basically first go to the Friendship Hotel (友谊宾馆 - youyi binguan), which almost every cab driver should know, and then walk around it. If you walk around the left, you'll pass a TGIFriday's. Keep on walking behind and you'll get to a relatively big complex. The KTV place is in the basement of that building.

Dissident,

Can you tell me the name or phone number of the Mami in 金港 KTV? I just went there but as I don't have the phone number of the Mami, I can't even find a girl to seat for.

Thanks!

Storm Cat

[Chibi Asian]

chibi asian,

i will be in bj during 12-17 oct and may need to have the phone number of the provider of the "massage service". and wonder if you will be interested to go to the ktv together. tried to send you private message but in vain. my qq number is 38703793.

fireballumm, i'd love to join you for ktv, however i'm really unfamiliar with the beijing ktv scene as i've never been to one. one thing i've learnt the hard way about china is that, they'll rip you off - bad - if you don't know what you're doing. in other words, the market prices. if you don't know them, they'll try to inflate it ridiculously. i can help you if it was in dong guan, but in beijing, i'm as clueless as you are in most things.

the only help i can offer in this is language translation. even the language seems much more foreign here to me. also, there's also the problem about contacts. how to contact one another? since i'm not a member, i'm unable to get pms and it's not like i don't want to join. its just that i don't have the credit card to join. and from what i've read, it seems tabboo to exchange email addresses here - so i won't do that.

well, what purpose is your visit to beijing this time? and which hotel are you staying at? for me, i'll be staying till early dec. i'm here purely just to study chinese before i start work in dong guan later in dec this year. even though i've been here since late march, i've yet to find any suitable punting places for me. which is to say saunas or bbs (i can't bring a girl back to my apartment due to housemate). also, i've only re-discovered this forums not too long ago and after long readings, i've found out that the best places are the bars late at night often frequented by anglo foreigners. most famous being hollywood and maggies. or pig & thistle if you want action earlier in the evening.

as much as i like clubbing, this kind of punting is totally unsuitable for me. especially after reading reports of non-anglo would-be guests might be turned away from entering maggies (or join some membership) and i have the cursed apperance of an ****d asian (chinese) guy. there have been lots of comments by either the mamas or the wls to me a lot of times before.

when i thought that luck finally has turned to my side that i could get laid, alas, it was a very very poor f*ck. in my previous posts, i have mentioned about this massage place near my apartment which offered rnt services. not long after that, somehow i managed to get a free lay from someone there. she's rather attractive too, in my opinion.

but dissapointment soon came when i found out that she's one heck of a lazy f*cker who only wants to be serviced, but does not return the favour. worse, is the fact that her pussy was as wide as the grand canyon valley. i couldn't feel sh*t. that and plus the desensitizing features of the wonderous condom, made me unable to finish even after an hour of doing it.

although i hadnt had sex for quite some time before that encounter - it was not 'oasis-to-a-person-lost-in-desert' kind of situation at all.

i guess if you want sure fire way to get laid and have got about 600-1000 rmb to spend for the girl for 1 night, then head off to maggies now. it should be getting busy real soon. you might even meet some of the legendary beijing members like intransit or sammy t there, and they might even pass on some of their legendary tips/experiences to you.

maybe some of us in beijing ought to organize an outing or something. a punting expedition. lol. that'll would be fun.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Mijn Muze]

I read quite some recent threads on Beijing do's and dont's. Wonder who is around from 19 Nov to 24 Nov who likes to hunt together or who is willing to give some advice in return for a few beers? I will stay most likely at Novotel Xinqiao. Dont speak a word chinese.

Read various reports re SW; prices seems to be from 100 -300 ST; do you have to pay the girls as well as the mamasan?

Red rope sauna seems interesting especially after seeing some pics. What's a good and reliable sauna to experience this?

I am relatively new so please excuse me if I ask for things already revealed or explained, but its timeconsuming to go through all posts.

Thanks for your help.

[Spider916]

Thanks for the infos guys. A non chinese girl, does that include Mongolians or only Caucasians?

Thanks


As far as I know there is no action in the hotel, but if you bring a girl before 11 to the room (or a non Chinese girl after 11) then you should have no problems.

There used to be a way that you could come in the apartment door (at the side of the hotel) take the lift to the 10th??? floor (I forget which level) and use the unlocked door to the hotel corridor and then the hotel lift,,,,,but you might like to check this during the day when you have time, most of the doors between the apartment building and hotel corridors are locked.

If the door on that level (10th???) is still unlocked then you don't have to bring the girl through the hotel lobby to get to your room.

[Kunshan]

Non-Chinese. To a Chinese person Mongolians can look quite different from Chinese. So to answer your question Mongolians or Caucasions are both OK, We brought back Mongolians to this hotel,,but we went the back way so, no guards saw us anyway,,

Some people say; "What do you call a Chinese with tits and ass? - A Mongolian."

[SidTheSexist]

But dissapointment soon came when I found out that she's one heck of a lazy f*cker who only wants to be serviced, but does not return the favour. Worse, is the fact that her pussy was as wide as the Grand Canyon valley. I couldn't feel sh*t. That and plus the desensitizing features of the wonderous condom, made me unable to finish even after an hour of doing it.
In this instance, I would strongly recomend a good dose of COF! That ought to teach her :D:D:D
Sid
Ps, your not going to feel any shit if your shagging her pussy :D

[Chibi Asian]

I read quite some recent threads on Beijing do's and dont's. Wonder who is around from 19 Nov to 24 Nov who likes to hunt together or who is willing to give some advice in return for a few beers? I will stay most likely at Novotel Xinqiao. Dont speak a word chinese.

Read various reports re SW; prices seems to be from 100 -300 ST; do you have to pay the girls as well as the mamasan?

Red rope sauna seems interesting especially after seeing some pics. What's a good and reliable sauna to experience this?

I am relatively new so please excuse me if I ask for things already revealed or explained, but its timeconsuming to go through all posts.

Thanks for your help.After seeing your post, I got curious and went around looking for this red rope pic that you mentioned, and I have to say WOW. I've never seen anything like it before! I'm even wondering if it's even available in Beijing? Does anyone know about this? In any case, if anyone else is wondering, the link to the red rope pics is: http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=517201&postcount=1104

[Great Wall]

I tried this massage parlour at building number 12 SOHO. There are 3 girls but I found Amy 28 year old (the oldest) quite amazing. A nice massage and FS at 800.