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Talia
03-05-05, 19:22
Hi Guys,

Love all the posts - some fantastic info. I am going to the canton fair in April-05 and am staying at the Phoneix Hotel just oustside the city of Guangzhou.

Any experienced chinese mongers out there have some tips for some action at this huge hotel. Any info would be appreciated.
Will post reports on my return.

Thanks in advance.

Talia

Hello2003
03-06-05, 00:40
World Traveller,
Great posts, but IMHO I don't think you were in Dashi. None of the landmarks, streets/roads, directions sound familiar. I
OAHNo kidding. He's funny though, practicing his chinglish.

Ramekin
03-10-05, 18:00
This is my first post, I have read many and enjoyed the valuable info. And of course, the photo gallery is top-notch, hats off to Cronin, you have a gift. I would reciprocate but my camera was recently 'liberated' from me (a story I'd rather not rehash.)

I am living here in GZ and have enjoyed the scene in a limited degree. Presently, i, as well as many others, am debating the freebie hassels vs P4P.

Currently am involved under the sheets with two freebies, a grad student and a married women. It is a headache keeping things at just sex but presently have them under control.

My area of play is the Liwan area, very Cantonese. Plenty of BBS, on a recent walk home through the alleys from the metro (ChangShouLu) i counted no less than 15 BBS. i have only sampled 3. FS offered at each 150-200 rmb. Recently stumbled upon a street (shibafu) with at least half dozen SW, though what i have seen so far on my strolls is that they are not creme of the crop.

In honesty, I am beginner to the P4P game, and have definitely benefitted from the info and advice. thanks much. anyone interested in my tidbits, I'd be happy to share. And also i hope to meet up some day soon with fellow GZ mongers.

Ramekin

Farah Duke
03-14-05, 17:59
Hi guys,

Humbly need some advice on where to find freelancers in guangzhou. will be making my first trip there tomorrow. what's the going rate for a short time and whole nite? any contacts? pls PM me.

Thanks!

G Reddy
03-19-05, 17:31
Hi Guys,

Anyone heard of this city before? Qing Yuen about an hour north of the GZ airport. I will be there in the next couple of days for a week. Any information on the place is much appreciated.

Mac 2
03-20-05, 12:38
Hi my fellows,

I already live in GZ for 8 years and will post some stories as soon as my time frame allows it.

If someone of you want to hang out a bit during the weekend, let me know.

So long and take care!

Mac 2

OldAsiaHand
03-20-05, 13:17
Hi guys,

Humbly need some advice on where to find freelancers in guangzhou. will be making my first trip there tomorrow. what's the going rate for a short time and whole nite? any contacts? pls PM me.

Thanks!


Farah Duke.

Here I go again. My advice to find freelancers and rates for Guangzhou is to read the posts on this thread. There is a wealth of information posted by senior contributors who take the time to share their knowledge. I suggest you take some of your time to read it.

Just my POV.

OAH

All About Bob
03-24-05, 03:35
I am looking for a serviced apartment in Guangzhou, similar to the ones I have stayed in, in Shenzen, any thoughts would be great. I fed up with living in hotels, and wouldbe ahppier with more space, I would like somthing quite new.

Thanks in advance

Ramekin
03-25-05, 06:14
since it is quiet on this board, i thought i would update the scene around garden hotel. i went last night to the elephant and castle bar, which is across the walkway from garden. i got out of taxi early so i could check the scene. the street (sorry don't know name) on the west side of hotel was very active with sw, but i did not see any on the walkway. it was 8 pm when i arrived. i left at about 1:30 am vowing to get into taxi straight home (based on a past bad experience with lack of judgement from tooo much alcohol). the walkway was quite active with a half dozen sw, one caught my eye, sophirep001ed librarian look complete with glasses. we strolled and discussed lifes more fascinating topics, while doing so i noticed at least a dozen more young ladies looking for dates.

needless to say i succombed to my sassy librarian but alas despite the gfe was dissappointed with the continual haggling over services and price. ended up with fs 2x but no bj 200 rmb incl her taxi ride back. all in all it was fine end to a good evening.
so those worrying and wondering concerning the safety of gz streets for the upcoming trade fair need not worry they are being well patroled by gz's guardian angels.

ramekin

Korean
03-26-05, 07:05
With Canton Fair, all the hotels jack up their price.

Do you know any hotel that is not on the website travel agent but decent, clean, and cheap?

Any information would be appreciated.

OldAsiaHand
03-27-05, 02:52
With Canton Fair, all the hotels jack up their price.

Do you know any hotel that is not on the website travel agent but decent, clean, and cheap?

Any information would be appreciated.

Korean,

There are virtually no deals to be had during the trade fair period. Even 2-3 star hotels get US$100. One chance is to ask a supplier to book for you. Sometimes, they can get a little discount.

Another option is to stay out of town and commute to the fair.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
03-27-05, 03:05
Korean,

Don't worry. They will let you know. Best to agree price in advance to avoid hassles later.

OAH

Moody
03-27-05, 10:21
Korean,

Why don't you try the Golden Palace in Shilong. I've never stayed there, but a good friend of mine stays there regularly and he says it's a really good place. It's also pretty cheap. I think he pays a corporate rate of around 300RMB or so.

Here's a link to a pic.

http://www.octopustravel.com/us/Home.jsp;jsessionid=00003HXX8_SXkPTsh6xchmwkYuu:10anvqmcv?currency=USD&book=1&item=SHI&siteid=TRIPCHINA&page=HotelInfo.jsp&country=US&city=DGUA

Member #3346
03-28-05, 09:01
I'll be in GZ for the trade fair at the Bai Yun Hotel. Supposedly it has a disco and sauna. I searched the thread and couldn't find any info. The hotel is near the friendship store. Does anyone know if there's decent action at either the disco or sauna, or would I be better off with the SW?

Thanks,

Q

Bill Lee
03-29-05, 04:34
Dude

You're across the street from the Garden Hotel. Check out the disco on the side entrance of the Garden Hotel. Seen alot of cuties there in the past.

For SW, look on the side streets at night where Starbuck and Haagen Daaz and KFC is located. Walk out of the BY hotel and take a left and walk down this street at night. When I was there in Jan. Saw about two SW average a night. Don't forget the overpass bridge that connects the Garden Hotel side and your side. There's SW there too. There's also a massage house between the Starbuck and the police station on the side street. Don't know anything about this place. Looks like a dump.

Also check out the SW under the bridge on the BY hotel side. Check out the underpass between the Garden Hotel and BY hotel. Saw SW on the side street where the Garden Hotel was, along the street where McDonald and Starbuck are located. But that's at night. With the trade fair in town, there's lots of competition out there.

Of course my observation of the Garden Hotel area was in Jan, 2005.

Don't know anything about the sauna in the BY hotel. Stay there two days, wasn't thrill about the room.

Good hunting.

Bill



I'll be in GZ for the trade fair at the Bai Yun Hotel. Supposedly it has a disco and sauna. I searched the thread and couldn't find any info. The hotel is near the friendship store. Does anyone know if there's decent action at either the disco or sauna, or would I be better off with the SW?

Thanks,

Q

Korean
04-01-05, 03:50
Just think of this:

You know the sauna across the street from Canton Fair?

Anybody try that place?

The girls are hot, but I think they are legit. so if they do provide other service. I did like to know.

Just you know, the room and massage fee comes to 800RMB already (2hr)

Not sure if that price included a full service, but I only got 2hr of massage.

So if anybody can provide a inside, I did be happy to go back if that price include full service. Girls is hot in that place man.

OldAsiaHand
04-01-05, 13:23
Korean,

As long as I've known the sauna to which you refer (almost 10 years) it has been legit. Price should be 288RMB for 2 sessions, actually 90 minutes. Amazing how they can jack up prices during the trade fair!

Why don't you try the sauna across the lake on Dongfang Rd? Golden Door or something like that. Standard price for the 2 sessions is 238 RMB with a happy ending, but no FS.

Best place for FS saunas is DG.

Just my POV.

OAH

AGSen03
04-01-05, 20:13
i'll be in gz for the trade fair at the bai yun hotel. supposedly it has a disco and sauna. i searched the thread and couldn't find any info. the hotel is near the friendship store. does anyone know if there's decent action at either the disco or sauna, or would i be better off with the sw?

thanks,

qi have stayed in garden hotel for couple days, two weeks ago, and have a chance to check out the bai yun hotel's sauna. this hotel sauna facility is under renovation at the time. did not explore the in-house disco, so no further comment.

sw situation around the garden hotel, and between citic & holiday inn area is negative at the time. beyon 8:00pm, there are le in uniform with wood rod rep001ter around the area. somehow, hook up with a skinny, average look sw along the starbuck coffee. not very much interest to the skinny type at all; just carry on with the negotiation exchange. at last, le chase her away down the road pass mc donnald. very much later on the same night, a chubby in black suite chase me down along the side street of milano cafe, asking 800 rmb for lt. passed the deal without any further exchange. just accomplished the very good in-house dfk, bbbj, daty fs session with the 7 - 8 look, over the bbs of ramada hotel area. hope that the situation is better by now. otherwise, have fun with the le, eh!

OldAsiaHand
04-05-05, 13:02
Fellow Mongers,

Just back from the above area this afternoon. Either they are getting ready for the trade fair early, or somebody is overpaying. Actually, I do not remember prices going up in this area during previous fairs which leads me to believe the latter is occurring. Ridiculous initial quotes for ST at 300-400 RMB, however, they quickly came down to 200 when they realized I was not fresh off the boat. I managed to find one shop to agree for the normal 150RMB. As it turns out, the service was pretty good. Excellent oral skills and cow girl on the edge of the massage table. I gave her an extra 50 for the effort, but it was my choice to do and not demanded upfront. She refused to take me to a room since it was still daylight. Too obvious for a walk to the apartment building. Made sense. Quite exciting though when you can hear the other girls chatting in the shop while doing the deed.

Anyway, the morale of the story is the normal price should be 150RMB. A small tip for extraordinary service is OK, but not 300-400 ST. Please keep it reasonable for us regulars.

Just my POV.

OAH

Member #3346
04-05-05, 23:30
I'm posting this on the DG board too. I know the train goes RT from GZ-DG(changping?) but from the train schedule the last train leaves at 8:20PM, then I'd have to take a taxi back, which is OK. I won't be free from my business commitments until after 9PM. Is there another way to get to DG other than taxi / private car? Is there a bus I could take, perhaps? I was planning on going down at night, hitting a couple saunas, then coming back early in the morning, in time to sleep a couple hours then go back to the fair. Does that seem reasonable?

Thanks,

Q

Hoeman
04-06-05, 07:15
Fellow mongers,

Please do try to keep within the standard prices. Don't spoil the market for regulars. Some of you may be in a place for a short period of time, so you wouldn't mind paying more. But for regulars at that place, it means prices will go up and that is bad news indeed. One of the reasons for the existence of this forum is that we can exchange information about prices, so that we get affordable or local prices and ensure that we don't get ripped off.

Remember that the knife cuts both ways too. I'm sure you wouldn't want visitors overpaying at your regular mongering area. How would you feel if someone overpays at your regular places and you are asked to pay more than you usually pay? I betcha it sucks!

This forum is filled with good info on locations, service and prices. It really pays to do some research beforehand. It will benefit you and other mongers as well.

Hoeman.


Fellow Mongers,

Anyway, the morale of the story is the normal price should be 150RMB. A small tip for extraordinary service is OK, but not 300-400 ST. Please keep it reasonable for us regulars.

Just my POV.

OAH

emagine
04-06-05, 16:30
Does anyone know where you can find real model quality chicks or any upscale disco/ktvs in GZ?

Prince Leo
04-07-05, 07:44
Emagine and other newbies,

Please read up to about a week's worth of info from this board before asking general questions like "Where can I find upscale girls?"

Thanks

emagine
04-07-05, 18:03
FYI: I have been reading on this site since it probably 1st started and it might have been or over a decade already, when everything was in text and links, no membership required and no photos. I do know better to read before I post and if I did miss a post, it would be nice of you to point me to the right direction instead of talking smack, because you are not doing anyone or me any good. I thought I was pretty specific with my question and all you had to do was to give me a club name and maybe a street. So if you do think of a place please do let me know. I would really appreciate it.


Emagine and other newbies,

Please read up to about a week's worth of info from this board before asking general questions like "Where can I find upscale girls?"

Thanks

Prince Leo
04-08-05, 05:45
Emagine,

Try the Rock N Roll Club. It is located at 4-5/F., 101 Yan Jiang Xi Road. It is a KTV as well. The ladies will cost you about 800-1000 per outing. Also try the Beer Street at Fang Cun. I wouldn't try the bars, too loud and not as classy, but some waitresses and the dance girls are for you to pick. The pubs are not bad. Some of the girls there are in the 9-10 scales. Cost will depend on the quality of the girl and your language skills. Some may cost up to 1500 per outing.

You can find better talent from the classy type outside of GZ with a lower cost. Try the Lion Club near Yan Bu. It is located at Ping Di, a town about 20 mins taxi ride south of GZ. It is located on your left as you travel on the the Guang Fo Gong Lu. I was there a year ago and it cost me about 1000 rmb to take a girl in the 9-9.5 range for a takeout. Right across the street, there is another KTV name Kai Suan Men. It is a middle to upper scale KTV. The girls are in the 8-9 range. The cost is about 700 to 800 per takeout.

I do not recommand these if you do not speak Mandarin or Cantonese, or go with someone that does. If you goto these places, check the bill before you pay. They will try to over charge you if you don't look local or go with someone that is local.

Good Luck and Have Fun.

K Zero
04-08-05, 07:33
Guys,

I will be passing by GZ in the next couple of days (not for the fair). I've heard some of my real life friend saying that there are some massage places that let me stay overnight. I know I will be asking ladies to come to my room if I book a hotel room, so, why not spend all the money on whats worth?

My question is, anyone have any recomendations? How is the hygine at those places? Can I actually rest there? because I might be passing GZ for some business, if I stay 2 nights, I will really need some rest on the first.

I haven't been to GZ myself, stayed in Beijing for 4 years, I can speak excellent mandarin and cantonese. My budget per night is around 400-600 (that is about how much I would spend if i book a room + lady). Any ideas/recomendations are welcomed. Or, if there is a thread that talks about this, please direct me to it, as I've read 3-4 pages worth of posts.

Thanks

emagine
04-08-05, 18:34
Prince Leo,

Thanks man.

I will be staying in DG city for the whole trip. I am really familiar with that part of the town but I really want to check out the scenes in GZ. The bars sound very good since I will probably be there by myself. I do speak fluent Chinese and don’t mind paying 1-1.5k for 9-10. I will go check out the Rock n’ Roll Club and Beer Street. If everything goes well I will hijack one back to DG.

Prince Leo
04-08-05, 22:12
Emagine,

I personally would not look for classy type of girl in GZ. These girls, in general, but not all, tend to have a princess attitude. I rather do the girls that are in the nearby towns or cities. I have tried the upper scale girls in GZ for about 10 times in the 2003-2004, 1000rmb or up per outing type, and only 2 were the GFE ones. The ones that I went with outside of GZ, around 20 of them, in the same price range, about 80% of them were eager to please me. Must be something about the big city attitude or something. Or it could be me. IMHO, the girls in DG are much more fun and are more willing to do whatever to serve you.

I find that the highend girls in SZ tend to have to same attitude as well. That is why I prefer to play in the near by towns rather than within the city when I am in SZ.

Good Luck and Have Fun

OldAsiaHand
04-09-05, 10:52
Guys,

I will be passing by GZ in the next couple of days (not for the fair). I've heard some of my real life friend saying that there are some massage places that let me stay overnight. I know I will be asking ladies to come to my room if I book a hotel room, so, why not spend all the money on whats worth?

My question is, anyone have any recomendations? How is the hygine at those places? Can I actually rest there? because I might be passing GZ for some business, if I stay 2 nights, I will really need some rest on the first.

I haven't been to GZ myself, stayed in Beijing for 4 years, I can speak excellent mandarin and cantonese. My budget per night is around 400-600 (that is about how much I would spend if i book a room + lady). Any ideas/recomendations are welcomed. Or, if there is a thread that talks about this, please direct me to it, as I've read 3-4 pages worth of posts.

Thanks

You can sleep at the sauna I mentioned in my last post, Golden Door on Dong Fang Lu just as you make the right turn to Liu Hua Lu. Just pay the normal 238 RMB for 2 hours. However, there is no FS available, only HJ. And, I am not sure if you can, or want to, leave your things there. It is not a hotel, but you have your own massage room to sleep in. You need to get out before they open the place again around noon the next day.

OAH

Member #1210
04-09-05, 17:35
Guangzhou Regulars,

I am going to come to Shenzhen for some mongering (also to see a friend), then I will come to Guangzhou, I have a flight out of Baiyan International Airport early in the morning- 7 AM.

Does anyone have any suggestations as to where to stay in downtown area or area closer to the airport - which offers good mongering opportunity and a easy ride to the airport.

Thank you friends.

Cronin
04-10-05, 03:33
There is no GZ hotel close to the airport anymore since they moved our airport to Beijing. Just kidding, but it will seem like its in Beijing when you're taking the taxi driving there.

The airport now is in Huadu, which is about 30km or so to the north of Guangzhou. Doesn't really matter which hotel you stay at now, so you might as well just go to the Ramada Pearl River, at least you'll be close to a famous mongering area. Fair warning, you'll need to be in the Taxi at 5 am or you won't make it for a 7 flight.

Cronin

Prince Leo
04-10-05, 03:44
The last time I was at the GZ Airport was taking a flight back to SFO back in Jan 2005. My flight was at 7:30AM, NW Airline. I hoped on a taxi around 5ish and got there around 5:30. The internation wing was not open until 6:15. I ended up standing in line to wait for it to open for about 45 mins. Though I waited for so long, but the process of getting on the flight was a breeze. It took only about 15-20 mins and I was in the waiting around 6:40AM.

AGSen03
04-10-05, 14:18
If your flight is around 7:00am, the only fastest way to catch your flight is Taxi. It will cost you around 200RMB, though. Otherwise, stay around the Garden Hotel area, they have the express shuttle to the airport at Citics Hotel - 5, 10 minutes walk from Garden Hotel - the first ride of the day starts at 5:30am, and every 1/2 hour afterward. It is less than an hour ride and only cost you 18RMB, oneway.

Prince2
04-11-05, 00:30
Hi Fellas,

I have read quite far back on the threads but have been unable to glean any consistant information on the location of these nookie shops. Can someone please shed some light on:

1. What do these places look like from the outside? i.e. how can a newbie to the area identify the place as a BBs are there girls in the shop that you can see from the street like in the THAI beauty shops, or is there a sign outside.

2. I have read a number of posts that mention the 'ramada' area as being a good site for BBS. Is this still true and if so how do you get to this area by metro

3. What other areas have a concentration of BBS with NEARBY metro stations.

Obviously I will use any info received to help in a future post when i get back!

AGSen03
04-11-05, 05:34
Hi Fellas,

I have read quite far back on the threads but have been unable to glean any consistant information on the location of these nookie shops. Can someone please shed some light on:

1. What do these places look like from the outside? i.e. how can a newbie to the area identify the place as a BBs are there girls in the shop that you can see from the street like in the THAI beauty shops, or is there a sign outside.

2. I have read a number of posts that mention the 'ramada' area as being a good site for BBS. Is this still true and if so how do you get to this area by metro

3. What other areas have a concentration of BBS with NEARBY metro stations.

Obviously I will use any info received to help in a future post when i get back!1. The most obvious to recognize any BBS is the rotating red/blue/white or black/white barber column sign. The legit BBS is usually bright lit with fully equipped barbershop gear and busy working personnel. On the other hand, most of the special service BBS has opaque or semi-tint glass door, sitting around personnel, with no sign of barbershop relating working environment. At night, it is certainly cannot miss these BBS with their pink or purple light lit up.

2. Utilize Ramada Hotel as the starting point. As exit the front entrance of the Ramada, make a left turn. Go straight ahead for about 200 feet, to the first intersection - there is a real estate office on the other side of street. Make a right turn at this intersection, and pay attention to the left side ( i.e., real estate office ) of the street. There are four BBS on the first alley with the iron gate. The second and third BBS have a good selection of above average look and friendly staff. Move along on this ( real estate office ) street further down for another 100-150 feet. Turn left at this intersection, there are another 3, 4 BBS on this side street. Recommended the last BBS; I have picked a very cute 8+ look, very GFE 19 yrs. old for a LT, 450RMB total. It was one of the best LT session that I ever have. Look for my posting in the China photo thread, following up.

Continue further down on this ( real estate office ) street to the next extension street, there are another 10-15 BBS on the ( left hand side ) two side streets, around the bar/food restaurants area. Did not have a chance to check these BBS out.
From the previous posts, I would also confirmed that the current rate of 150-200 RMB for in-house FS. I personally have had two LT sessions for 450RMB and 500RMB, respectively.

Since, my Mandarin is at the lowest level of the elementary grade, which is equivalent to the 2 1/2 yrs. old skill. There is no motivation from my part to explore the metro or public transportation. It cost me 15-20 RMB for Taxi from the Garden Hotel to Ramada Hotel.

3. Check back on the Cronin's previous posts of BaoDaGang Lu area. I personally preferred the Ramada area BBS better, for the girls quality and shop cleanliness as compare to the Jiang Nan Xi Lu & Bao Gang Lu area.

Enjoy.

Cronin
04-11-05, 07:22
i suppose someone should give a general update of the bbs areas. this job used to be done by the king, but he has been neglecting his duties. wingman and i took the grand tour yesterday of all our favorite gz areas.

overall, the same areas are active, but many shops were shut down. there is a crackdown citywide, which seems to be related to the trade fair.

sha tai lu

we started in the early afternoon going to sha tai lu. this is the new favorite area for both of us. plentiful girls, close proximity, fabulous service by gz standards, only a slight white guy tax (st200), and we have become known there, so it's more efficient and a little more safe.

this area is largely unknown, even in gz, so it's very anonymous (only important if you live here). i posted an actual map to the area several weeks ago. i've titled my many posts on this area: he shui (river water) because that's the little monger street. but the main road is sha tai lu. you can't get there by metro, no way. even by taxi is usually difficult, you have to direct the taxi driver as you are going. but with some persistence and my map, you can find it. it will be worth it.

this place is pimpland. there is an area of sw, but you will usually take her to one of the many pimps for a fuck room. i've never seen an obvious fs bbs here, it's all through the pimp system. the pimps are generally honest, never had a bad experience from any of them, most of them older women.

we went at 4 pm. too early (8-11pm is optimal). no sw, no pimps. so i called a mama and we went over to her fuck apartment. i took a young bad girl who was just heaven (have some really nice photos of tingting, but no can post!).

wingman sat through three rounds of girl presentations without seeing one he liked (a lot pickier than me). so he asked the mama if she would give anal and they struck a bargain, he's always doing that shit.

ramada

next, we went to ramada. shop #1 (from the main street in) had two girls (5-6) and a mama. shop #2 had maybe eight girls (6-8). shop three (big plate glass window), closed. no big deal, this one always closes during crackdowns and holidays. shop 4 (at the end of the strip) open (fs? i don' know), and two more shops on the north side of that strip mall (one is monica's shop) also open. not great quality, though.

middle shops

we walked north on the main road, and took that little jog to the right and there are the "middle shops". both bbs on the end (to your left as you are walking) were closed. and all three on the alley (turning left after the jog) were all closed. if you keep walking on that little alley all the way to the end, there are two more bbs. one of those was open, with some reasonable talent. i've been in these two shops before and the service is excellent, but really attractive girls are rare. for some reason these middle shops always have a high ratio of sichuan talent.

oah told me about another bbs or two further up the main road and to the right at the next intersection (i think that's correct)

are these great sichuan shops closed permanently? i doubt it, but since they shut down siyou (by the river) who knows, anything could happen.

can you get to ramada by metro? well, i can, but you...probably not. the metro exit is yang ji, that will put you at the north end of siyou cun (the real name of this district). to walk from the metro to ramada means threading back alleys for quite a ways, i wouldn't recommend it. taking a taxi from the yang ji exit might work, if you can say "ramada" with a cantonese pronunciation. i can't, despite years of trying. when i want to go to this area, i take a taxi from my house and tell the driver: "siyou malu" (pronounced suh-yo ma-lu), and get off at the kfc by the big circle plaza. walk south past macdonald's and you are on the main road to middle shops and ramada, it's a pleasant walk.

bao gang lu

from there, we took a taxi to bao gang lu in the honan area (south of the pearl river). i've posted a map to this area before, it's accessible by metro from the jiang nan xi exit (metro line 2). this is a large monger area covering many blocks. the two areas are south of jiang nan lu and north of jiang nan lu. at the east end of jiang nan lu, it crosses jiang nan dadao, that's were the metro is.

my favorite shop on bao gang lu was open, but not much of interest in residence. several shops that were open when oah and i visited a couple months ago were closed now. we decided to check north side of jiang nan lu (there is nothing on this main street, you have to go to the next parallel streets in back). the north side is a little more upscale. nicer neighborhood, casual, relaxed feel. we saw about 6 or 8 shops rep001tered in this area. wingman didn't see anything he absolutely had to fuck, so i walked with him back to the metro station and then returned to the area to do a girl i had seen. got pics of her too! oh well.

li wan

and right here should go some great post retelling the tale of oah, ramekin, wingman and i visiting this mythical paradise in the old town of gz. we were going to go last friday, but that didn't happen, so we'll get back to this sometime soon i hope.

tao jin lu (road of gold)

deceased.

zhan qian lu

this area by the overseas chinese hotel (near north train station) used to be one of the hottest and most reliable areas of gz. now completely dead. just like siyou and the road of gold.

i suspect a little area here called "cosmos" might still be up and running. this is an obscure little side alley off zhan qian lu which may have escaped the recent clean up of this area. they serviced locals as opposed to the och clientele. this is another area i've been meaning to check up on, but haven't.

baiyun district

search my reports for a complete description. i have been there recently, its still active with the same set up, mainly locals, all bbs. metro accessible to the san yuan li exit, but then you have to take a taxi to the monger area, my repost includes full details on how to do that. my favorite massage palace is on san yuan dadao, this place is great, and i hate the whole massage thing.

panyu

i'm not the panyu god, that's oah. i know there is a lot over there, but i don't know if its metro accessible, i doubt it. long taxi ride from the main hotels on the north side of the river.

fancun

this is an active sw area which i've seen but never played in. tough to give good directions, it's out of the way, which is why i missed it for so long.

take the metro to the fancun exit, but don't get off there, go one more exit (i don't know the name of the exit, but its the second exit south of the river, the first being fancun). that puts you at huadi dadao, the main north-south drag. walking north on huadi dadao (back toward the river), go past two intersections. on the right will be a street that cuts off at an angle from the main drag. that street is lined with bars, restaurants and sw. many people on the street at night.

i still get sms's from a hooker in that area, so i'm pretty sure it's currently active. it's out of the way, mostly locals so not obvious, so it was probably missed in the crackdown. anyone with current info please tell us!

haizhu park

on the river by the landmark hotel, haizhu guang chang metro exit. this is a weird place. there are many sw in this park by the hotel. but i've never seen any 6 or above here. and the security has become intense, with guys walking around with big night sticks clanking them on the ground. so it's a big cat and mouse between the ugly, old sw and the army of security guys. not very entertaining. not recommended.

there are many other areas, of course. we had a great day, i got a lot of great photos, and hope to be posting them sometime soon.

cronin

emagine
04-11-05, 19:21
I know what you are talking about. I had lived in DG for 3 years. Wouldn’t say it is the best time of my life but a very memorable one. All the really hot chicks from the ktv’s get taken off the market the first week or so and they learn. These high end chicks are not stupid and have been around. They all know that we are just passing by and sometimes they are just plain dead fishes too.


Emagine,

I personally would not look for classy type of girl in GZ. These girls, in general, but not all, tend to have a princess attitude. I rather do the girls that are in the nearby towns or cities. I have tried the upper scale girls in GZ for about 10 times in the 2003-2004, 1000rmb or up per outing type, and only 2 were the GFE ones. The ones that I went with outside of GZ, around 20 of them, in the same price range, about 80% of them were eager to please me. Must be something about the big city attitude or something. Or it could be me. IMHO, the girls in DG are much more fun and are more willing to do whatever to serve you.

I find that the highend girls in SZ tend to have to same attitude as well. That is why I prefer to play in the near by towns rather than within the city when I am in SZ.

Good Luck and Have Fun

Prince2
04-11-05, 23:58
Cronin / Agsen3,

Thanks for the extremely detailed reports.

Hopefully i'll manage to find a few shops from the great list you guys have given.

Thanks for taking the time out to reply

Prince2

Prince Leo
04-12-05, 03:15
If you have frequent the KTVs in DG, you will be dispointed with the KTVs in GZ. The girls in GZ are not as playful as the ones in DG. I could be wrong, but I say most of the KTV girls in GZ don't really know their role, do whatever to entertain the customer, given that you treat them with common respect. And I doubt most of them will be willing to goto DG with you if this is the first time you take them out. Mainly for safty reasons.

Good Luck and Have Fun


I know what you are talking about. I had lived in DG for 3 years. Wouldn’t say it is the best time of my life but a very memorable one. All the really hot chicks from the ktv’s get taken off the market the first week or so and they learn. These high end chicks are not stupid and have been around. They all know that we are just passing by and sometimes they are just plain dead fishes too.

Corpo
04-21-05, 18:24
I'm staying at the Holiday Inn in Guangzhou next week. Wanted to find out if anyone has recommendations for safe recent exploring that is nearby?

Cronin
04-22-05, 16:22
This is the kind of shit that drives OAH completely nuts, and right at this moment, I agree with him.

Here's my recommendation Corpo: stay in your hotel room or you'll never find your way back. I don't think you could find your ass with both hands.

Cronin

Corpo
04-22-05, 18:06
Hey,

Not everyone is as experienced and daring as you are.

I asked for recommendations not critism.

AGSen03
04-22-05, 18:53
I'm staying at the Holiday Inn in Guangzhou next week. Wanted to find out if anyone has recommendations for safe recent exploring that is nearby?Just try to ease down the potential blow up, as Cronin have predicted.

The Holiday Inn Hotel is located at east end of the Baiyun Hotel, Garden Hotel, Friendly Store, Manila Cafe, Citic Hotel, Starbuck Coffee, ... ( 1/2 miles ) area. Just few pages back, there are many recent info. relates to this mentioned area.

Have fun!

Tom Schilders
04-22-05, 19:15
Hi There,
Well, after having spent 4 days in Guanghzou, I am able to report on the following:

1) Stayed at the China Hotel - Mariott. The first night walked out of the hotel, to walk on the side walk of the main street. Within one minute had 3 ladies approach me for "massage". Picked the nices one, paid her 500 RM (she initially wanted 1000), and had a good time for about an hour. NOTE: AFTER 23:00 HOTEL DOES NOT ALLOW GIRLS IN THE ROOMS ANYMORE
2) Next night went to the Sauna / Massage place. To be found if you pass the McDonald´s from the China Hotel to your left, one more block further on the corner of the street. Had a very playfull session in the massge room, with a happy ending. Girls was very horny, could also have fucked her I think, but I was not in the mood. I think they had special high exhibition prices, because the total bill was RM 1700 (including back rub, manicure, ear cleaning, massage, happy ending, some playing with the girl and foot massage). A bit high, but OK, no choice
3) 3rd nite picked up a girl from the basement based dance club in the China hotel. Paid 800 RM, had to go back to her appartment because it was after 23:00.

Overall, not so bad, but I think there´s more to explore, but had no time
Rgds
Tom

Chop Sticks
04-23-05, 02:43
I agree, last year when in was in GZ i had a dead fish out of a KTV.

I don't remember where the KTV was, but it was a bit outside of GZ, near the river and it was very big.


If you have frequent the KTVs in DG, you will be dispointed with the KTVs in GZ. The girls in GZ are not as playful as the ones in DG. I could be wrong, but I say most of the KTV girls in GZ don't really know their role, do whatever to entertain the customer, given that you treat them with common respect. And I doubt most of them will be willing to goto DG with you if this is the first time you take them out. Mainly for safty reasons.

Good Luck and Have Fun

Prince Leo
04-23-05, 08:14
I agree, last year when in was in GZ i had a dead fish out of a KTV.

I don't remember where the KTV was, but it was a bit outside of GZ, near the river and it was very big.Was it Yan Wu Tai or Rock N Roll KTV?

Santa
04-23-05, 08:43
#2 You paid what? RMB1700? That's nearly $200 US! And you didn't even get full service!?

This is China, not Germany! I think your report may anger some China regulars.

Cronin
04-23-05, 10:28
Nimrod newbies and their asinine apologists make my butt tired.

Agsen: Why don't you take a big time out bud? I've seen you give OAH the benefit of your infinite wisdom on this exact same issue. Peace and Love Man... woof, woof, woof. I think its time for a reality check.

First of all, I can't make heads or tails of most of your posts. Your English grammar is so bad that I can only guess what the hell you're really trying to say. Is that what you consider information? This isn't picking nits. Check the posting guidelines. Grammar counts! There is a reason for that. This is an English Language board. If we all write in nonsensical pigeon English, this site would be worthless. I'm sure you feel all warm and fuzzy giving people the benefit of your monger experience, but if you are unintelligible, who are you helping? You can get away with poor grammar in conversation, no one really speaks grammatically perfect English. However, writing is a whole different ball of wax. There are no non-verbal cues to help us understand your point. Your directions from the Ramada to the BBS area are a joke. I know that area like the back of my hand and I can't understand those directions. You need to seriously reconsider the value of your posts.

Second of all, Agsen, and this is much, much worse: you are giving false information. I have a serious problem with this kind of shit. You said there is a street in the Ramada area with 10-15 BBS on two side streets. Absolutely not. I don't know whether you lied intentionally or you really think those places are there. In either case, you are wrong. I have a big problem with no-knowledge experts leading people into dark back alleys in search of BBS that don't exist. Next time you want to feel all warm, fuzzy, and self-important, go have a glass warm milk.

Finally Agsen, don't fucking lecture OAH and me on WSG etiquette again. You think it's just OAH and Cronin who won't suffer these fools gladly? Check any other board when some idiot writes the equivalent of: DUUUH, hey guys, where all da GURLS? Thoughtful questions ALWAYS get detailed replies from Seniors. Morons with 2 posts who are too fucking lazy to scroll down half a page ALWAYS get backhanded by Seniors and they always will. It's motherfucking annoying after all the good work we've done. Someone needs to put them in their place and I, for one, am only too happy to provide that service.

Case in point: Check out the question from Prince2 recently. Now here is a newbie to GZ who did "Read The Fucking Board" and asked two specific questions on some things he didn't understand. I love to see that kind of post. It means he actually read the stuff we took our time to post. Cronin, OAH, and any other Senior member will pour out information to help these newbies. Did I do everything I could to help Prince2? What do you think?

Now to that idiot newbie whose name I don't even remember: You couldn't even read the last few pages to find your answer? And you want to venture out into GZ to find hookers? I gave you the best possible advice. Find this...

Cronin

OldAsiaHand
04-23-05, 11:20
Cronin,

I certainly support you. If you did not flame Corpo, I would have, We are only asking newbies to read a few pages of a thread and/or run a thread search before asking such general questions. We spend time posting our reports and sharing our knowledge. We want guys to spend a bit of time reading them. That is the purpose of this forum. If there is a specific question about a post, we will always answer it.

I travel a lot. I always read the threads. I even print out posts and take them along for reference. If I have a question or need an update, I will ask for clarification. I have managed to find action in every place I've been following this modus operandi so I know it works.

Just my POV.

OAH

P.S. We don't expect newbies to roam down dark alleys alone looking for a new BBS like Cronin and I do, however, finding a SW near the Holiday Inn and taking her to the safety of your own hotel room is a no brainer in Guangzhou. There are probably 100 posts from mongers having done just that for reference on this thread.

Bill Lee
04-24-05, 14:37
Coming back in late July.

Anyone know of an apartment rental in GZ or Panyu with broadband Internet connection? Wanna test out my VOIP phone from the states. Apartment should be safe and conveniently located near public transportation.

Thanks all.
Bill

Going To China
04-24-05, 17:44
Hi Bill,

I do the VOIP phone now from China and YOU can not tell the difference and best part is 714 area code shows up so for business, they have no idea your in China.

I have the Packet8.net

BUT one thing you may want to make sure you do is get a ( ROUTER )because it will store the pass word when signing on. In Shanghai the Hotels are plug into and no pass word but in my home I have to have a ROUTER because of pass word. Buy one in the states because the Freq. is different in china.


Coming back in late July.

Anyone know of an apartment rental in GZ or Panyu with broadband Internet connection? Wanna test out my VOIP phone from the states. Apartment should be safe and conveniently located near public transportation.

Thanks all.
Bill

Dunderhead
04-24-05, 17:44
If you are at the Holiday Inn, in Guangzhou you can't go wrong. Just sit somewhere and drink a beer. But if you want the more exotic, follow the below posts and you won't go wrong either.

Bill Lee
04-24-05, 22:43
Although it's on the same street as the rows of clubs nearby, I found that in Jan. when I stayed there, it was not girl-friendly.

Tried to registered my local girlfriend with my room and the clerk gave me a hassle over it.

Then my girlfriend who at times dress like a KTV girl had a problem with the late night security guard getting into my room at 1 a.m. She finally got in after showing that she was registered as my wife.

A sign is prominently displayed at the main lobby with the guest rules including about unregistered people and the 11 p.m. cutoff rule.

Bill



If you are at the Holiday Inn, in Guangzhou you can't go wrong. Just sit somewhere and drink a beer. But if you want the more exotic, follow the below posts and you won't go wrong either.

Hoeman
04-25-05, 08:07
Tried to registered my local girlfriend with my room and the clerk gave me a hassle over it.

Then my girlfriend who at times dress like a KTV girl had a problem with the late night security guard getting into my room at 1 a.m. She finally got in after showing that she was registered as my wife.

BillHiya Bill,

I had the same problem at one hotel in Guangzhou. It is Hotel LiuHua, right across from the LiuHua train station. I couldn't register my gf who is local, together with me in the same room. I doubt it's the wardrobe/clothes thing because my gf dresses like a college student (decent jeans and blouse). It is the "identity-status" thing. They explained to me that according to the law, a foreigner cannot register in the same room with a local of the opposite sex, unless proof that both are legitimately married can be shown.

I told them I had not faced this problem registering together with my gf at other hotels in China before. They then told me it's because their hotel is near the train station and the PSB performs routine checks at the hotel quite often.

I wonder if 2 locals of opposite gender can register together under the same room. If locals can do it, then it's double standard.

Hoeman.

p.s. How did you register your gf as your wife, without a marriage document? Just asking in case I need to use that tactic in the future.

Bill Lee
04-25-05, 13:19
Thanks GTC.

But are you referring to the first router box that comes into the house that you get from your ISP provider or the VOIP router box that you get from the VOIP provider? You must mean the router box from the VOIP provider. Right?

Bill


Hi Bill,


BUT one thing you may want to make sure you do is get a ( ROUTER )because it will store the pass word when signing on. In Shanghai the Hotels are plug into and no pass word but in my home I have to have a ROUTER because of pass word. Buy one in the states because the Freq. is different in china.

Tom Schilders
04-25-05, 18:03
He dude, no worries, I noticed the China regulars paying different sums of money (like between 200 and 300). But he, I don´t speak Chinese, they pretend they don´t understand English, and staying in my room wanking also wasn´t an option. I stayed about 3 hours inside, got 100% pampered, as regards to full service, I believe sometimes it is better not to give full 100% details on what happened, due to the police logging in (and I leave it to your immagination what did happen!), so I really don´t feel ripped off. If you worry about the money, you can always still sell your watch can´t you?



#2 You paid what? RMB1700? That's nearly $200 US! And you didn't even get full service!?

This is China, not Germany! I think your report may anger some China regulars.

AGSen03
04-28-05, 05:29
As exactly as Cronin pointed out, my Ramada info. was indeed incorrect with regard to “ … there are another 10-15 BBS on the ( left hand side ) two side streets, around the bar/food restaurants area … “. It should be 4–5 BBS around this area of bar/food shops, and there are about 10-15 BBS around the mentioned Ramada site.

It was certainly not very cool from my part. My only excuse was I rushed in and out of WSG and did not review the content before posting it. The last thing I want to happen is to be caught at the middle of WSG activities, by the Missus. Cannot imagine what will be come of me if I have to face with it. I would rather handle the "very friendly" feedback like the one from Cronin, with pleasure.

Santa
04-28-05, 07:57
You are right. If you were very satisfied with the goods and happy to pay the price, then everything is ok.

Please accept my apologies.

Sell my watch? I can not sell my watch. A girl in Manila stole my watch.

OldAsiaHand
04-28-05, 14:11
Any guy that can afford to pay US$350.00 for a room at the China Hotel when the normal price is 500 RMB, can afford to pay US$200 for a visit to a sauna when the normal price is around 400RMB for the same service during any other period. They can also afford to pay SW 500-800 RMB for the normal 200RMB service. We all know that the trade fair is a window of opportunity for all the local merchants, saunas and pros included, to jack up prices for goods and services offered and take advantage of the visitors in town for the fair. This special opportunity does not affect the normal market prices. Most regulars like myself just stay away from town for these 4 weeks every year and wait for the situation to return to normal.

Just my POV.

OAH

Moody
04-28-05, 14:35
Yeah... China Hotel's always fun during the fair. I remember I first stayed there about 10 or 11 years ago. They charged me $380 for the night. I was there a couple of days ago and had the buffet lunch with a couple of friends. The tab came out to over 1300RMB. You know things are screwy when lunch costs more than a night at KTV.

Sstudent01
04-29-05, 09:46
Does anyone know if I travel using china southern airlines, and transit in Guangzhou, sometimes they will provide us for one night stay at their hotel, do anyone know is there any full service, messages around the hotel, or nearby the hotel?

Thank you very much,

Cheers,

Sstudent01

Korean
04-29-05, 17:22
I like to thanks for all the tips.

I went near garden hotel. alot of SW action.

Some a shit quality, but some are excellent.

I pickup one for 300rmb.

Note to all visitor: For people that hand out business card to call girls in the room. Don't do it. The girls are not good looking, but expensive.

Tom Schilders
04-30-05, 14:29
He Santa,
No hassle at all! Anyway, whenever you are in my territory, and need advice on cheap local deals, let me know, I can be of help! And next time I go to the fair in Guangzhou, I´ll PM you ahead to get some advice so that we not get the local providers used to the higher prices!
As regards to Manilla, it is 100% a place to "watch" out!
Tom



You are right. If you were very satisfied with the goods and happy to pay the price, then everything is ok.

Please accept my apologies.

Sell my watch? I can not sell my watch. A girl in Manila stole my watch.

C Me Type
05-08-05, 17:50
Fellow brothers,

I will be in Guangzhou in mid August. Can anyone help me with a tour package I can buy in Guangzhou to visit Beijing, Shanghai, and Xian. Any information will be greatly apppreciated. In addition, is it low season at that time of the year and about how much is it for a three city tour.

Thanks,

Cmetype

Global Citizen
05-08-05, 20:41
Fellow brothers,

I will be in Guangzhou in mid August. Can anyone help me with a tour package I can buy in Guangzhou to visit Beijing, Shanghai, and Xian. Any information will be greatly apppreciated. In addition, is it low season at that time of the year and about how much is it for a three city tour.

Thanks,

Cmetype

PM me and I'll give you the email address of my buddy who is a travel agent that takes care of Guailo tours - local chinese but speaks good english.

GC

Madachod
05-17-05, 05:03
Similar to what is found in other parts of China, are there any good saunas or massage parlors in Guangzhou that one can visit for a nice massage followed by FS or at least a BJ? All the ones i have come accross finish off with a HJ.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Blue Diamone
05-19-05, 23:40
I am staying at the Gold Coast Marina Hotel.

Are there any action to find aroubd this area.

First time in GZ.BTW i have read through all the post but cannot find anything on the area mantion.

Need adivce urguntly

Thank you

Mas 147
05-20-05, 04:23
Hey Bros out there. I am going to stay at the China hotel next week with a few colleagues. Are there any health centers or saunas close by where I can get FS ?
I know that there are SWs and pimps outside the hotel at night but is isn't really very discreet and could be embarassing. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am prepared to travel within GZ.

BTW how far is Houjie from GZ, and which of the satellite towns in DG is the best bet. Thanks and cheers Mas

Analman
05-20-05, 08:15
I'll will be checking in White Swan Hotel sometime next week. Is this Hotel girl friendly? Any interesting place around this area? Appreciate your help urgently.

Thanks

Bill Lee
05-20-05, 16:34
BD.

I'm not familar with Gold Coast Marina Hotel. But you should also give more description of the area you're in. Perhaps it will help someone recall that they were in that area before and know where the action is.

Provide some street names and especially landmarks near your hotel. I'll been to GZ over 10 times and don't know everything. But if your hotel is near somewhere I've been, I could then give you some advise.

Just a thought.

Bill



I am staying at the Gold Coast Marina Hotel.

Are there any action to find aroubd this area.

First time in GZ.BTW i have read through all the post but cannot find anything on the area mantion.

Need adivce urguntly

Thank you

Blue Diamone
05-20-05, 22:35
Bill Lee,

Thank for your reply. The name printed on the hotel card is: Gold Coast Marina Club.GZ. The address is: 81 Bin Jiang Dong Road, Guang Zhou.

Appreciate some information around these area, since I usually come back late so do not have time to go far.

Mojo888
05-21-05, 04:45
Here's a GREAT Sauna in Guangzhou. Clean, upscale, inexpensive and fabulous "talent". Have been there twice and both times had STUNNING girls. FS only about RMB 600 as I remember. Look forward to your report.

Name: Guang An Quan Sauna; 25 Guang Yuan Xi Rd. See attached card.

Bill Lee
05-21-05, 10:50
Mojo888.

600RMB is not inexpensive for full service. For 1000 RMB, I can get a KTV girl overnight and get three pops out of it.

But if it's really girls of 8 and up, perhaps it may be worth the try.

BTW, didn't see your card attachment.

Bill



Here's a GREAT Sauna in Guangzhou. Clean, upscale, inexpensive and fabulous "talent". Have been there twice and both times had STUNNING girls. FS only about RMB 600 as I remember. Look forward to your report.

Name: Guang An Quan Sauna; 25 Guang Yuan Xi Rd. See attached card.

Bill Lee
05-21-05, 11:43
I'm still not familar with the hotel. But according to my google and mapquest searches, you're not too far from the Ramada Inn overlooking the Pearl River. According to the below link, the inn is across the river from your hotel.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?ovi=1&zoom=8&mapdata=GL7GBbQZ5kzZJZSnVwhc3uUjhKkWNPpNe0oDy3B22noGJ1o2hOnGY2Jt8LwYSV9GdEEzmF0zW9lYfIBGQIyi5z9pAj0%2fVrQG1cqb0MQAIOcVBqr97L5%2f49GFPdq6xAYR3SMoGIgMnr7rnBMIosEbS0IG1cQWHdbj9pKOFbe3WvihEq%2fVBNXm6Gai62iAkiM3qsmW0NQ2ie3XYri4lKH67uZPUGkVmkb9DggnuoNdzFCj36mPdK4iFJcW7XQIjEAfxU07NxxHF91o6Rupb9quB%2bVKNACq9yd9B4c0pEm5INq0YdRW9fFKSqhmlkiiaeAzivlVkYrlfnxPyqYsXDaRM71MOktV5tG%2byQ2OnPMNNBh0HbPiTEdrIIGVADlz4nS%2bZrc2dTZYszISSKEtiOcI2XRmJRY5JD5lTd8pd%2fJWe3nHbuCqBtiEJQEE3Q6zkCgBF6%2fBSuT%2b6vs%3d

Check out the past postings for the BBS near the inn. Keyword in the search: BBS ramada

Also, you're very close to the north gate of the Zhongzhan University. If you're Caucasian, you might hit it off with some students who wants to practice their English.

Good luck on the hunt and report back as soon as possible.

Bill


Bill Lee,

Thank for your reply. The name printed on the hotel card is: Gold Coast Marina Club.GZ. The address is: 81 Bin Jiang Dong Road, Guang Zhou.

Appreciate some information around these area, since I usually come back late so do not have time to go far.

Member #3346
05-21-05, 12:44
Hey Bros out there. I am going to stay at the China hotel next week with a few colleagues. Are there any health centers or saunas close by where I can get FS ?
I know that there are SWs and pimps outside the hotel at night but is isn't really very discreet and could be embarassing. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am prepared to travel within GZ.

BTW how far is Houjie from GZ, and which of the satellite towns in DG is the best bet. Thanks and cheers Mas

I was in DG last month, and visited Houjie and Changping. Saunas are most definitely FS, unlike GZ. I thought in Houjie the hotels were more upscale than in Changping, but the service was better in Changping. Both places are fantastic as far as girls and service. All girls I met at the health centers were young and specially trained to please you. I think the train goes from GZ to CP and takes about 40 minutes, but doesn't run that late. Good luck!

Mas 147
05-21-05, 12:59
Thanks for the information bros. Bill would you mind giving me specific instructions to the Ramada BBS please. I tried the search but didn't get great instructions. last time I was there, I couldn't find it.

Advice is really appreciated guys

Bill Lee
05-21-05, 15:35
White Swan like the Garden and China Hotel are 5 Star hotels. They won't throw you or your girl out if you have her in the room already.

Generally, if you're walking in with a girl after 11 p.m., the security guy at the lobby will question the girl in Chinese and put some scare into her so she won't come up to your room.

Best to bring the girl in by 10 p.m. The earlier the better.

Do your laundry at the shops across the street from the hotel. They are also gift shops and have a laundry menu in English and alot cheaper than the hotel. Not much on that island when I was there 2 years ago.

Try the restaurant with the floor to ceiling windows next to the hotel. Walk out of hotel from back and turn right. Really plain furniture but good fish dishes. But that was couple of years ago.

It's across the river at night where the tourist ferries runs is the busy scene. Did not run into SW then but there are some KTVs near the ferries.

Bill


I'll will be checking in White Swan Hotel sometime next week. Is this Hotel girl friendly? Any interesting place around this area? Appreciate your help urgently.

Thanks

Mojo888
05-21-05, 15:44
Trying again with uploading the biz card from the sauna mentioned in my last post. Thinks I got the procedure right this time.

AZN Man
05-21-05, 18:08
I don't come to GZ often. I am more often in Shanghai and don't often monger there since I have a regular freebie there now. Anyway, I was down here for the weekend visiting my freebie here when tonight, saturday night, she got mad at me and decided she didn't want to see me anymore.

Suddenly I was caught on a saturday night by myself in a city I don't monger much in. So I come to the trusty board, but didn't find anything in the area that I was in, which I believe is called "Yi Xiao" district. I was staying in the East Asia Hotel on ChangDi Road. I could not find any info near where I was, and the Ramada I was told was about 20-30 minutes away...

I saw in the room they had a sauna on the 1st floor and it was 180 RMB for an hour. I read on the board that there was probably nothing more than a HJ in the sauna's in GZ, but I figured I was too lazy to go out so it was better than nothing.

I go in, shower, sit in the sauna, etc. Afterwards, I went upstairs and was told that the 180 included 1 hour of foot massage and 2 hours of whole body massage. I get my foot massage, then a fairly cute sichuan girl comes to give me massage. I told her I was bored and my GF just left me, so she said she would go drink tea with me tomorrow. I thought that was about it, but at the end of the two hours, she asked if I needed a happy ending. I told her as long as she wouldn't be weird about it when we went to tea the following day, then I would get it. She said she wouldn't, so she goes to work. I asked if she would mind if I touched her and she said she was really sensitive and asked me not to. Anyway, I fingered her while she HJ me. They called to say time was up, and I asked when she gets off work at 6 am, would she like to be my GF for 12 hours until I leave. She said she would, we'll see if she knocks on my door tomorrow morning.

Total Damage $180, which is not bad for basically 3 hours of massages and happy ending. Thought I'd pass the info along. Happy mongering for all you GZ'ers.

Bill Lee
05-21-05, 18:13
Use the advanced search selection in the upper search tab.

Then put in ramada bbs

At the bottom, select post and not thread.

At the bottom right corner, select China as the country.

I got 17 matches for past posts.


I myself have never done the BBS in Ramada. So I can't give you my personal report or directions on it. For that type of visit info, check with Old Asia Hand or Cronin. But read the 17 posts first before contacting them. Also, give your fellow seniors some incentives to take you around, like a dinner or some vitamin Vs.

BTW, if you go to www.ramada.com and select the Guangzhou city option within the China option, you'll find an option for map, it's a Mapquest map of the Ramada Inn area in GZ. Check out the photo of the Ramada Inn building and look for that building across the river.

Lotsa Luck
Bill



Thanks for the information bros. Bill would you mind giving me specific instructions to the Ramada BBS please. I tried the search but didn't get great instructions. last time I was there, I couldn't find it.

Advice is really appreciated guys

Bill Lee
05-21-05, 18:13
Mojo888

Try again. We all like to see it. I like to try it when I come back.

Bill


Trying again with uploading the biz card from the sauna mentioned in my last post. Thinks I got the procedure right this time.

Mojo888
05-22-05, 00:44
Another try at uploading the card for the sauna.

Enjoy!

Analman
05-22-05, 05:30
Thanks Bill. Good info indeed. However, I wouldn't be able to check in the girl so early as we will party at KTV or Disco so it will definitely pass 12pm. Will the security guards or reception receive tips for allowing girls to check in late night? I'm Asian and do speak Chinese.

OldAsiaHand
05-22-05, 08:05
Thanks for the information bros. Bill would you mind giving me specific instructions to the Ramada BBS please. I tried the search but didn't get great instructions. last time I was there, I couldn't find it.

Advice is really appreciated guys

Mas 147,

Bill gave you good advice about the search. Cronin and I get irritated by newbies not doing any research. I know I have posted very detailed directions in the past, but I ran a couple of thread searches myself and could not turn up my post. So here goes:

Exit the Ramada and turn left. Go up to the first corner and turn right. Immediately look to your left for an iron gate. Next to the gate you will see one open air convenience shop/small outside restaurant. Walk between this place and the gate and you will see the first 3 BBS on the right. There are more on the next street parallel to this and more as you walk straight up away from the river.

Happy Hunting!

OAH

P.S. Please do not pay more than 150-200 RMB for FS (See my last post about these shops).

Mas 147
05-22-05, 14:29
OAH, completely agree with you. I have read your irritation on newbies and specifically did the research. A lot of us guys are really grateful for you and Cronin to provide us information.

Let your post on the directions go down in the archives for prosperity!

Thanks again and happy hunting to all bros.

Bill Lee
05-22-05, 15:24
I have party at KTV with friends and by 10 p.m., the girl I want, I will ask her to leave with me. If she's not willing to leave by then, then it was a waste of time and she would not have left with me any later. Your friends will understand. My friends did. Go to KTV early, as early as 7 p.m. or all the good looking ones will be picked. Also ask the mamasan for girls that will stay the night with you. Let the mama bring girls that are willing to go home with you. Otherwise, at the end of the night, you'll find out the girl you're with will not do the Take Out.

As far as tipping is concern, it's all different with the staff. I have tipped the director of security of one 5 star hotel by passing on my "fee" in a hand shake. But in the same hotel, other lower security staff wouldn't accept it. Keep in mind that in 5 stars hotels, cameras are all over the place. The staff is also being watched and would have to explain why you were let in so late with an unregistered guest. Unless he turn out to be a supervisor or higher.

Have fun and report back soon.

Asian or not, the no unregistered guest rules after hours are enforced at 5 star hotels. And do you really want to make a scene in the lobby with a hooker in your arm at 2:00 am in the morning? Most times, in the evening, they will have a sign on the lobby floor near the elevator with the unregistered guest rule. You cannot win with this rule. Your girl is not going to say anything to help you with the hotel staff. Most girls are afraid of the hotel security staff and the police if they are called.

Your goal is to get laid, not to hassle with the hotel staff.

I even tried registering my local girlfriend at the Holiday Inn last year and was hassled over it.

Bill


Thanks Bill. Good info indeed. However, I wouldn't be able to check in the girl so early as we will party at KTV or Disco so it will definitely pass 12pm. Will the security guards or reception receive tips for allowing girls to check in late night? I'm Asian and do speak Chinese.

Bill Lee
05-23-05, 03:59
Hey Mojo888

Can you give us some details on your visit here? The description of the place, the process involved in selecting the girl. etc....

Thanks,
Bill





Here's a GREAT Sauna in Guangzhou. Clean, upscale, inexpensive and fabulous "talent". Have been there twice and both times had STUNNING girls. FS only about RMB 600 as I remember. Look forward to your report.

Name: Guang An Quan Sauna; 25 Guang Yuan Xi Rd. See attached card.

AZN Man
05-23-05, 08:57
The girl I mentioned before didn't show up at 6, but she called at 10 saying she had to work late. She came over to the room and from 10-1 I had the most passionate sex I've had in a long time! She was really amazing. I had to check out of the room at 1, and while I was checking out, she left. Didn't ask for any money or anything, I think she just really wanted to have sex.

BTW, YMMV on girls at this place. According to this girl, there are many girls in their 30's and not that attractive.

Mojo888
05-23-05, 13:10
More Details:

Really a pretty typical sauna experience, though the atmosphere and facilities are high end. Shower, sauna, optional skin rub by redneck in his underwear, rest (xiuxi) room with comfy chairs and TV. They offer regular massage/HJ (not sure of price), but I've always gone for the FS, which was RMB 600. The girls will actually do some REAL massage on you before you "enter the secret garden." Each time I've been there the first girl offered to me was beautiful, young and eager to please. Easily an 8. Perfectly wonderful. I don't live in GZ so I couldn't tell you the neighborhood. It was about a 25 minute ride from White Swan Hotel. I have not been to this place for over a year, either.

Kiasi
06-03-05, 21:22
Hi all,

I will travelling to Fatt Shan for business trip in July. I will stay 2 nights there. So, can anyone please kindly provide me some information regarding where pick up nice girl of whole night. Should i go karaoke to pick up girl? Or where else? Besides, what is the price range in Fatt Shan for booking the girl for one night? I am looking for quality young girl. Besides, what is the price range for short bonking?

Thank you

Subaculture
06-04-05, 15:58
Guangzhou
I will be in Guangzhou for a few days at the start of July and then again at the end of June. I know ifs off topic but as well as P4P, I want to know whether you can order oil, paint paintings (portrait) from your own pictures in Guangzhou.

Anything like the otlets in the MBK Shopping centre in bangkok? Cheers

SC

OldAsiaHand
06-05-05, 04:03
Guangzhou
I will be in Guangzhou for a few days at the start of July and then again at the end of June. I know ifs off topic but as well as P4P, I want to know whether you can order oil, paint paintings (portrait) from your own pictures in Guangzhou.

Anything like the otlets in the MBK Shopping centre in bangkok? Cheers

SC

SC,

Try the art gallerys in the shopping section of the Dong Fang Hotel. They used to have this service but I have not been in there for awhile. There is another interesting thing in the same place. They take your picture and carve it onto a stone. Pretty cool.

OAH

Bull Dozer
06-07-05, 02:19
I am from San Francisco,California, Will be in Guangzhou July 7th,2005. I will be staying at Overseas Chinese Hotel, 90 Zhanqian Rd,Gz,I believe it is 0.5KM from the Main Liu Hua Railway station, would like to know what activities are available - for Longterm FS in that area. Where to find the BBS in that area. I know GZ is not very safe at night so I would like if any BBS phone numbers or addresses are available, or any other suggestions please PM ASAP. Thanks in advance, Have a nice day.
Would like to hook up with other fellow mongerers, your first beer is on me.

GJ

Superforce99
06-11-05, 09:09
Been putting off this post for a while, but there's a nice pro in GZ who's been calling me a lot lately trying to drum up business but I usually am not in town or if I am, don't have time for her.

She's medium height (about 5'4-5'5), darker skinned Hunan gal, large breasts, and chunkier body. Not exactly fat, but if you like the typical skinny Chinese gal, she's probably not for you. The pluses are that she is very friendly, slow enjoyable service (BBJ, CFS), and can speak both Mandarin and Cantonese. Standard price of 150 ST and 300 overnight.

If you call her, you can say the young American referred you, but again, you/person talking on the phone has gotta be able to speak some Chinese to communicate your location as she has zero English skills. Treat her well and don't abuse the number. Thanks.

Ah Fa: 13710699684


From,

JK

Blue Diamone
06-16-05, 17:30
Hi there,

Was staying at the Holiday Inn opposite the Garden Hotel from June 16 to June 18.
As you exit the hotel main door turn left, there is a street with a few bar., Notice a few SW there.

Turn left at this street and there is an overhead bridge.using this bridge as a starting point walk towards the graden hotel and along the way you will be approach by SW.

Too bad the Holiday Inn do not allow guest after 11:00pm.

Although there are bo onn everywhere the ladies are very open about it.

Walk around and if you see somebody that you like just make eye contact and she will approch you.

Stardard rate is RMB 300 ST.

Hope this will be some help.

Will appreciate on information and price of finding stunning/beautifully working girls.

Bill Lee
06-18-05, 03:11
Hoping to go down to SZ instead. Still will try to do Macau either before 24 or after 31 for a day trip. Out of GZ at 8 a.m. and back by 9pm. It's all doable.

Bill



Going to Macau from GZ on Wedneday morning around 8 a.m. and back to GZ by 9:00 pm.

We'll definite check out the 200 and 500 ST girls.

Anyone wanna go? You'll require to have an at least two entry visa to leave and come back to China through Macau.


Bill Lee

Tinybobo1002
06-18-05, 03:19
Hi there,

Was staying at the Holiday Inn opposite the Garden Hotel from June 16 to June 18.
As you exit the hotel main door turn left, there is a street with a few bar., Notice a few SW there.

Turn left at this street and there is an overhead bridge.using this bridge as a starting point walk towards the graden hotel and along the way you will be approach by SW.

Too bad the Holiday Inn do not allow guest after 11:00pm.

Although there are bo onn everywhere the ladies are very open about it.

Walk around and if you see somebody that you like just make eye contact and she will approch you.

Stardard rate is RMB 300 ST.

Hope this will be some help.

Will appreciate on information and price of finding stunning/beautifully working girls.


300 rmb ST? Used to be 200 rmb about a year ago. Has price gone up?

OldAsiaHand
06-20-05, 06:11
Hooked up with Bill last night for a bit of prowling the streets of Panyu. Visited a few BBS, but nothing of Bill's type. We did a drive-by on the "River Road". There were only 3-4 SWs working. Finally, Bill found his type among the SWs nearby the Bravo Hotel. I took her friend. ST is 100, or 150 with BBBJ. Opted for the latter. ST room operator wants an extra 10 for A/C; 30 RMB per room. Service was a bit rushed, but satisfied my need for a quick release.

OAH

Bill Lee
06-20-05, 23:59
Always a pleasure to cruise with a master. Good conversation and good insight from OAH. Will have to hook up with him again.

My was sweet and rush too. But wtf, it's all about me and not the hos. Young petite and harden. Interesting combination. Makes a good wife one day for someone. For someone so small, what a pair of large knockers. She had short burnette hair, large bush, perfect set of upper teeth but bad breath (Hey maybe it was my breath?). Her fast and furious BBBJ was not the best. Had to tell her to slow down to enjoy. She was making faces at little Bill all the time while it was in her mouth.


But so young and innocent face. Hmmmmmm. That's what life is about my friends. Filling your fantasy when you can. Life is good in China. She quoted 400 overnight. but another one just as sweet on the street quoted 300.

Bill



Hooked up with Bill last night for a bit of prowling the streets of Panyu. Visited a few BBS, but nothing of Bill's type. We did a drive-by on the "River Road". There were only 3-4 SWs working. Finally, Bill found his type among the SWs nearby the Bravo Hotel. I took her friend. ST is 100, or 150 with BBBJ. Opted for the latter. ST room operator wants an extra 10 for A/C; 30 RMB per room. Service was a bit rushed, but satisfied my need for a quick release.

OAH

Old Kinder
06-21-05, 13:17
Got some information from the QQ. Decided to check it out. It is in the complex near Song Bai Dong Jie(East of Song Bai Street). Called the mamasan and explained to her that I learned the information from the net. She received me near a public W.C where a free market named Jing Tai nearby.

Got into an apartment on 3rd floor. 4 girls were playing Majoon and 2 were sitting in the couch watching TV. One of them looks quite cute and made the decision immediately.

Went to shower together and she washed me very patiently. My buddy became horny. Then went into another room. She started to suck my dick and ball. Did some deep throat. It was amazing. She enjoyed herself as well.

After about 15 minutes, she put the rubber on, then rode on me. Her pussy is so tight. She is from Hunan and only 19 years old. Tried missionary,doggy then come.
Total damage 150. Service is quite good. Not pushing at all.

Bull Dozer
06-23-05, 05:04
Hi Guys,
Need help is there any action near Overseas Chinese Hotel, 90 Zhan Qian Rd, GZ near the LiuHua Big Train Station, I will be there July 7th, would like to hook up with other WSG members,Beer drinks are on me. Lets have a good time. Please PM ASAP.

GJ

OldAsiaHand
06-23-05, 06:43
Hi Guys,
Need help is there any action near Overseas Chinese Hotel, 90 Zhan Qian Rd, GZ near the LiuHua Big Train Station, I will be there July 7th, would like to hook up with other WSG members,Beer drinks are on me. Lets have a good time. Please PM ASAP.

GJ

Go Joe,

I am not 100% certain, but I believe if you go left out of the hotel on the main road across the street you will find some shops down about 500 meters. I think Cronin pointed these out to me when we passed there one day. You may want to have a look for yourself.

OAH

Ramsey1
06-24-05, 19:53
Fellow mongers and friends!

After extensive lurking and exchange of useful information with legends of the board such OAH, Cronin etc. I set on a month long trip to China, Macau and Thailand this past January. I know I am bit late on posting but thought it useful to post my impressions now so that I can give back to the great "hobbyist" community.

First a bit about me. I have been an avid "traveller" for the past six years and have numerous trips under my belt including Thailand, Philipines, Vietnam, Laos, Burma, Cambodia and Brazil.

My general preference is for East Asian girls though rather than SEA girls so I made up my mind to give the Middle Kingdom a good try and planned an extended trip with a lengthy stay in China. So it was in the middle of January when I set off on a trip to the Orient.

To Be Continued

Ramsey1
06-24-05, 20:17
Having bought a ticket from NY to Guangzhou via NorthWest airlines (around $800) I ran into trouble very early on as my connecting flight from Tokyo to Guangzhou was substantially delayed so my arrival in GZ airport was past midnight.

Taking a cab from the airport I set upon my Hotel destination of the "China Hotel" which is Marriott property. The ride was smooth and quick and I was in the lobby of the Marriott in about thirty minutes or so. The Hotel was quite nice (better than average Marriott in the US) and had Internet connection for a fee.

I took a quick shower and set upon a prowl for some action as my official "welcome" to the country. I had read about touts and a massage place around the Hotel. I found a tout exiting the Hotel to the right who offered to take me to a girl for 600 Yuan. I balked at the price and kept walking but reversing course to go left from the Hotel where I soon walked by a giant complex which seemed to be another Hotel. At the entrance area to that complex on the right side I saw Massage and Sauna place which seemed to be still open. I took an elevator downstairs and found a receptionist who tried to offer me a massage package for about 400+ Yuan with not extras. The girl that was avaialbe also didn't look very appetitizing so I declined and went back on my way.

I took a good walk all around my Hotel including the area in front of the Seven Eleven where others had encountered some action. But the time was late (around 2:00AM at this point) and no action was to be found. So I finally gave up and went back up to my Hotel.

My first night in China was spent alone reading a book! The next day it was off to Changping...To Be Continueed In South China All Areas

Bill Lee
06-26-05, 13:48
Have you tried the hotel night club (Catwalk) or the bar? Use to be girls there for the taking. Don't know about it now.

THere were skanks in front of McDonald at times. Also, I think OAH's previous report on that sauna was that it was a legit place.

BTW, walking out of the China Hotel and making a left to the end of the block and then another left until you get to a restaurant with seafood display (almost a 15 to 20 minute walk) may possibly yield the location of a KTV in that area. You might be able to catch some KTV girls going to work between 6:00 p.m. and 8:00 p.m.

Of course this information is all moot since you're leaving town. But you or someone else can use it next time.

Bill
Dailan, China



Having bought a ticket from NY to Guangzhou via NorthWest airlines (around $800) I ran into trouble very early on as my connecting flight from Tokyo to Guangzhou was substantially delayed so my arrival in GZ airport was past midnight.

Taking a cab from the airport I set upon my Hotel destination of the "China Hotel" which is Marriott property. The ride was smooth and quick and I was in the lobby of the Marriott in about thirty minutes or so. The Hotel was quite nice (better than average Marriott in the US) and had Internet connection for a fee.

I took a quick shower and set upon a prowl for some action as my official "welcome" to the country. I had read about touts and a massage place around the Hotel. I found a tout exiting the Hotel to the right who offered to take me to a girl for 600 Yuan. I balked at the price and kept walking but reversing course to go left from the Hotel where I soon walked by a giant complex which seemed to be another Hotel. At the entrance area to that complex on the right side I saw Massage and Sauna place which seemed to be still open. I took an elevator downstairs and found a receptionist who tried to offer me a massage package for about 400+ Yuan with not extras. The girl that was avaialbe also didn't look very appetitizing so I declined and went back on my way.

I took a good walk all around my Hotel including the area in front of the Seven Eleven where others had encountered some action. But the time was late (around 2:00AM at this point) and no action was to be found. So I finally gave up and went back up to my Hotel.

My first night in China was spent alone reading a book! The next day it was off to Changping...To Be Continueed In South China All Areas

The Wanderer
06-26-05, 16:03
Cat walk is now closed as is the HRC in the basement which used to be good. Try turning right and walking towards the Seven Eleven as you did before, just do it earlier, you should be offered girls in the RMB300 range. Just remember if you want to take her back to the China Hotel do it before 10pm or forget it. The Hotel Security guys will not relax their rules.


Having bought a ticket from NY to Guangzhou via NorthWest airlines (around $800) I ran into trouble very early on as my connecting flight from Tokyo to Guangzhou was substantially delayed so my arrival in GZ airport was past midnight.

Taking a cab from the airport I set upon my Hotel destination of the "China Hotel" which is Marriott property. The ride was smooth and quick and I was in the lobby of the Marriott in about thirty minutes or so. The Hotel was quite nice (better than average Marriott in the US) and had Internet connection for a fee.

I took a quick shower and set upon a prowl for some action as my official "welcome" to the country. I had read about touts and a massage place around the Hotel. I found a tout exiting the Hotel to the right who offered to take me to a girl for 600 Yuan. I balked at the price and kept walking but reversing course to go left from the Hotel where I soon walked by a giant complex which seemed to be another Hotel. At the entrance area to that complex on the right side I saw Massage and Sauna place which seemed to be still open. I took an elevator downstairs and found a receptionist who tried to offer me a massage package for about 400+ Yuan with not extras. The girl that was avaialbe also didn't look very appetitizing so I declined and went back on my way.

I took a good walk all around my Hotel including the area in front of the Seven Eleven where others had encountered some action. But the time was late (around 2:00AM at this point) and no action was to be found. So I finally gave up and went back up to my Hotel.

My first night in China was spent alone reading a book! The next day it was off to Changping...To Be Continueed In South China All Areas

Ramsey1
06-27-05, 06:48
Have you tried the hotel night club (Catwalk) or the bar? Use to be girls there for the taking. Don't know about it now.

THere were skanks in front of McDonald at times. Also, I think OAH's previous report on that sauna was that it was a legit place.

BTW, walking out of the China Hotel and making a left to the end of the block and then another left until you get to a restaurant with seafood display (almost a 15 to 20 minute walk) may possibly yield the location of a KTV in that area. You might be able to catch some KTV girls going to work between 6:00 p.m. and 8:00 p.m.

Of course this information is all moot since you're leaving town. But you or someone else can use it next time.

Bill
Dailan, ChinaThanks for the tip Bill. As you will find out later I did return to Guangzhou at the end of my trip but still managed to be a GZ virgin. The good news is that I am planning to be in China at the end of the year again and will certainly try to end my bad luck streak in GZ.

Ramsey1
06-27-05, 06:51
Cat walk is now closed as is the HRC in the basement which used to be good. Try turning right and walking towards the Seven Eleven as you did before, just do it earlier, you should be offered girls in the RMB300 range. Just remember if you want to take her back to the China Hotel do it before 10pm or forget it. The Hotel Security guys will not relax their rules.Hey Member,

I think you are right about the girl unfriendliness of the Marriott. As it turned out I never had to challenge their security but I didn't see anyone else trying either. This is quite different compared to all the other Hotels I stayed at in China which inluded the five star Sheraton in Houjie.

OldAsiaHand
06-29-05, 05:34
I went downtown Panyu mid afternoon to get my phone fixed. While I was waiting I decided to roam around the area. Stumbled onto a small BBS down one alley with three girls available. Lao Ban Yan quoted me 150 RMB and assured that her girls all did BBBJ. I looked down a few more alleys and did not find anything so went back to the shop. Lao ban yang was not in and the 3 girls offered me a 300 RMB package for all of them. Although tempted to go for it, I decided on just one from Hunan to test the service.

I was pleasantly surprised with her attitude and service. Fantastic oral skills with no rush at all. I did her mish, doggy, cowgirl, mish. Then, I asked her if I could CIM. She agreed with a smile. I pulled out, took off the condom and straddled her for a face fuck until the finish. CIMWS like a champ.

I will definitely return for a bout with all 3 of them.

OAH

P.S. I think the LBY quoted me 20 RMB too much. Girl told me it should be only 130 RMB, but I gave her 200 RMB anyway. Sorry if I am spoiling the market, but the service was exceptional.

Ramsey1
07-02-05, 08:48
After almost four weeks of travelling in China (and a bit in Thailand) I was back in Guangzhou for my last night before flying back to the US.

On my last night I actually went for a walk to check the "Road of Gold" where I didn't see a single SW. However I saw a lot of police which probably meant some kind of crackdown. Not one to easily to give up I took a cab to the Ramada Hotel area and set for a search for the BBS shops. It took me a while to find a few but none of the girls I saw in the shops were really cute....oh well time to give up and head back to the Hotel. Guangzhou remains a "Virgin" territory.

Concluding remarks on the trip:

As mentioned in my epilogue I am not really new to "hobby" travel but this was my first foray into China for that particular purpose. Up to now Thailand had been my "must go to" destination but after this trip I am a convert. I always prefered the East Asian look to the SE Asian look anyway but felt that the other factors such as language, quality of hotels, police crackdowns, food, and cost of the girls etc. would tip the balance to Thailand's favor. Well times have changed: In terms of price, safety, and hotel quality China is now pretty much on par with Thailand. The food and weather is still better in LOS. So the clincher is the girls themselves and the available quality is superior in China. Would love to hear from other guys with experience in both countries.

Final words: Special Thanks again to Cronin, Mpfs Lover and especially OAH for their help in planing the trip. Would love to hear their their comments on my travels. I am sure there are things I could have done better and hey I'll be going back very soon...

Ramsey

PS: A couple of pics from the Thailand portion of the trip for you more visual types

OldAsiaHand
07-03-05, 05:22
Ramsey 1,

No thanks are necessary. You managed to make great use of the wealth of information posted on the board. It's posts by guys like you that make me feel that my contributions are worthwhile. So many mongers just take and never contribute in return. Your mongering travelogue was fantastic and provided great insight for others to follow. This is what the forum is all about!

As you may know from my previous posts, I have spent an equal amount of time in Thailand and China. I have posted my POV comparison in the past. Generally speaking, I still reckon the overall P4P service level is higher in Thailand and the girls are more foreigner friendly. Esarn girls from NE Thailand are taught by their mothers from a young age how to treat their men. However, the SW China (Sichuan) girls are very similar in nature and personality. Obviously, there are enough beautiful women in both places. I also find the Northern Vietnamese girls very attractive. All this is personal taste. As far as infrastruture is concerned, I agree it is pretty much on par nowadays, however, the Thais are still a bit better in hospitality service.

Just my POV.

OAH

Ramsey1
07-03-05, 07:20
Thanks OAH. Certainly your advice and contributions to the board make up the "core" of this board's usefullness. One does wonder what mongers did before the invention of the internet. They probably all ended up in Patpong as fodder for the rip-off bars.

When I am back in China at the end of the year we definitely have to meet up to compare some notes. I am thinking of combining my China trip with a side trip to the PI or Indonesia. What is your take of PI by the way? I have been there once and did like it quite a bit although Angeles City was truly a dump. Manila though had some very pretty women.

Ramsey

OldAsiaHand
07-04-05, 10:44
Ramsey,

I agree with your perspective. I visit PI a few times a year. Angeles is a dump, but I used to get BBBJCIMWS for 300 pesos at the bars in the good old days. I'm never able to find any real value for money in Manila lately. I usually find myself paying 2,500-3,000 pesos for ST, including the bar fine at Entertainment Complex. Makati bars are much more money, but I've done SW in Makati for 1,000 pesos and have scored freebies occassionally at Hard Rock where there is a mix of pros and non-pros. You should check out the new group of bars out across the street from the domestic airport. Still relatively unkown as of my last visit in March and full of great talent. I also understand that you can get ST in local bars for around 400 pesos, but was told they were dangerous for foreigners. I will have to get a local friend to take me one time. I did manage a similar deal in a local bar in Subic last year.

OAH

P.S. Check your PM for my local contact number for your next visit to China.

Cebu Local
07-04-05, 12:44
Ramsey,

I agree with your perspective. I visit PI a few times a year. Angeles is a dump, but I used to get BBBJCIMWS for 300 pesos at the bars in the good old days. I'm never able to find any real value for money in Manila lately. I usually find myself paying 2,500-3,000 pesos for ST, including the bar fine at Entertainment Complex. Makati bars are much more money, but I've done SW in Makati for 1,000 pesos and have scored freebies occassionally at Hard Rock where there is a mix of pros and non-pros. You should check out the new group of bars out across the street from the domestic airport. Still relatively unkown as of my last visit in March and full of great talent. I also understand that you can get ST in local bars for around 400 pesos, but was told they were dangerous for foreigners. I will have to get a local friend to take me one time. I did manage a similar deal in a local bar in Subic last year.

OAH

P.S. Check your PM for my local contact number for your next visit to China.Hi
Have you considered checking out Cebu or Davao.You can get better value for money there.BTW for those unfamiliar with the exchange rate 1 RMB is roughly 7.5 Pesos.But you guys should check out my home city and Good Enough s home city.IMHO variety is better also.Regarding the entertainment complex across from the old domestic airport,prices are cheaper then EDSA complex.You should defenitely check it out

OldAsiaHand
07-06-05, 02:22
Cebu Local:

I have never travelled outside the Manila area except to Angeles City and Subic Bay.

I will have to get to Cebu one day. I remember that flights are only around US$40 RT or something from Manila. I used to do business with the owners of Cebu Pacific and the guy was complaining that he could not make any money at that. Are you offering free accommodation or big discounts at your hotel?

OAH

Cebu Local
07-06-05, 10:58
Cebu Local:

I have never travelled outside the Manila area except to Angeles City and Subic Bay.

I will have to get to Cebu one day. I remember that flights are only around US$40 RT or something from Manila. I used to do business with the owners of Cebu Pacific and the guy was complaining that he could not make any money at that. Are you offering free accommodation or big discounts at your hotel?

OAH
OAH
Yes,most defenitely send me a PM,But its 25$ including breakfast for an American Standard room at a International chain hotel.Hope this is discounted enough.Regarding the PI,most of the girls working in AC or Manila come from Visayas and Mindanao.Check out where they come from.As for me,I am starting to explore China

Asie Frenchy
07-10-05, 12:48
I mean guys this IS the GZ page right?

Sorry no offence to Cebu but...

Ok an update on GZ:

Yesterday I walked the entire Ramada area and almost all the adjacent square kilometre.

All the Ramada shops closed except the 'famous third one down'. In here one teenage boy [ window dressing?] and 2 30+ semi dogs. No sign of any of the former talent; every single other shop shuttered, many with LE seals affixed to locks

Jeez, wonder where all the talent has gone to. Anybody who speaks chinese (I do not sadly) heard any info?

More later on SZ page.

Bill Lee
07-10-05, 15:35
On my last night in GZ and on a Sunday night in early July, did the Ramada BBS by myself. Based on some instructions, I did get lost once I was in the area. I did not keep good notes from the board before heading out and a handwritten map from OAH did not help since the BBS shops were closed and that really confused me. But here's my take on the directions.

If you walk out of the Ramada and turn left, at the second block where there is a yellow sign on the right corner reading, "De Cheng Hang," you're there at the first turn (see attached photo). The diagonal corner has a street sign reading "Mingyue 1 Lu." (See attached photo) At the time I was there at 7 p.m., there were 4 bao an guards chatting away at the one of the corners. I made a right turn into the block and at the next block, there was a red corner sign reading, "MyTopHome" (see attached photo). At that particular spot was an opened gate leading into the first row of BBS. There is a long divider in this block that has plants. The other side is the same walkway but this gate was closed at the time. At this unrelated row was an opened variety store with locals watching tv at the time.

Unfortunately during this particular trip and speaking with OAH on the phone, confirming that the BBS were all closed. Toward the end of the block was the rear entrance with an overhead sign reading "Kaloong Massage" (phonetic spelling). At the very end of the block, you can make a quick right and there you see a tall large white machine that has two units what appears to be sewing or stamping machines. I have no idea what this was for. Just pass the machine was a locked gate leading into the block where the second rows of BBS are. Also, it leads to the front entrance of Kaloong Massage.

Since I couldn't pass through the second row of BBS from this spot, I walked back to the gate at MyTopHome. I turned left and passed a small variety store that had several tables in the front. There were about 8 locals sitting at the tables, chatting and drinking away. At the end of this block and on the left was second row of BBS. I saw children playing ball and locals sitting around and chatting away at this one end of the block. As I entered the second row, I saw a restaurant on the left, painted in red. Then the first store with an outdoor sign sitting in the front read, "Massage" in English. Above it, another sign read, "....Spa." I was told by OAH that this first spot was legit. I walked into it and checked it and saw one young and one elder girl in it. Not much of picking. The price was massage was 35RMB per session of 60 mins or 90 mins (can't remember). Appeared legit.

The second shop right after the spa also had a outside "Massage" sign also in English. The massage price was 20RMB. Apparently both shops were going after the tourist business. This shop had about four girls all dressed in yellow top and pant. Then after that was the third opened shop with two girls and two guys in them. The second and third shops were not your typical BBS shops in as much I saw people getting haircut and shampoos inside. And there was no skank girls just sitting around doing nothing. But OAH assure me that they provided FS.

So I saw this sweet thing in the yellow uniform at the second shop. I asked her to come out of the shop and got a better look and she met my approval. I told the girl at the cash register that I was going to get a massage with the girl I had. The girl took me to the back and upstairs to the second floor. There we passed an opened room with two guys getting a back massage. Then into a smaller room with three massage tables divided by three flimsy curtain with two other customers. There was a total of five girls in yellow uniform upstairs. She got down to business and started to massage. About 15 minutes later, I asked about additional service but she would offer only hand job. I opt for it since I was so turn on by now. Damage was 100RMB total including the shop fee. She did the deed while quietly talking to me. She did not want the nearby customers, who were no more than 2 feet from me, know what we were saying. I offered 200RMB for bj to test her but she declined. I guess the crackdown is on here. Once done, I went home and slept better.

BTW, when I first got lost in the first turn, I had ventured further into the BBS area and saw about three other BBS. There was no girls to be seen there too.

Well better late than never.

Cebu Local
07-11-05, 09:40
I mean guys this IS the GZ page right?

Sorry no offence to Cebu but...

Ok an update on GZ:

Yesterday I walked the entire Ramada area and almost all the adjacent square kilometre.

All the Ramada shops closed except the 'famous third one down'. In here one teenage boy [ window dressing?] and 2 30+ semi dogs. No sign of any of the former talent; every single other shop shuttered, many with LE seals affixed to locks

Jeez, wonder where all the talent has gone to. Anybody who speaks chinese (I do not sadly) heard any info?

More later on SZ page.You are correct Frenchy,this is GZ page,but a lot of the regulars cross monger between countries,For example Dragon Slayer regularly posts his latest China conquests on the Davao Philippine threads,We get regular posts of Thai Girls in the Philippine Picture gallery etc,Its just those of us who have been on the board for a while,like 3 years in my case tend to swap stories and Adventures,Like for me personally,I monger in Malaysia,Macau and have a special friend in Shanghai.Therefore I offer travel advice on the Philippines,in exchange for advice on Chinese women,Malaysian MP s etc.Hope this clarifies things.Back to regular programming

Bill Lee
07-13-05, 14:01
I'm planning to come back to GZ in mid-Dec. to early Jan., 2006. Anyone wanna PM for some side trips to check out the honeys?

(I know it's premature. But I like to plan aHead)

Bill

The Wanderer
07-14-05, 15:17
Was up in GZ for a few days on business so decided to take a look at the Ramada BBS area. Easy to find by following the excellent directions given by OAH, however, on Sunday there was a heavy police presence and most were closed. Don’t know if this is a recent or ongoing issue might be best to give the area a wide berth for a few weeks.

Not to be completely deterred (had a full sack), remembered the advice that there were more bbs in the roads running parallel but further away from the Pearl River and found one that seemed safe i.e. didn’t want to spend the foreseeable future languishing in a local Jail.

Met a cutie who cost me RMB250, sorry OAH above the guide price, market forces and desperation on my part I’m afraid, nowhere else open. She spoke Putonghua no English or Cantonese. My Putonghua is limited to more beer please which was not a great deal of use in the circumstances and did not exactly help the conversation flow.

Pretty in my view but definitely not a GFE and not exactly mobile. That said those of you who know South China know what the summers are like, the weather does not exactly encourage strenuous exercise. Might be making an excuse for her here but it was bloody hot with crap AC in there, I lost more fluid sweating than I did cumming.

Not sure I would recommend “new to China” Westerners to stray very far solo from the Ramada without back up, up to you of course just my POV, you take your own risks.

Being greedy, later took a RMB300 potluck from a Mamasan outside the China Hotel. Enthusiastic lady, from SH but bad breath and wanted to marry me, told her to fuck off. After the shag of course.

Tried my best on the photo front poor light, cramped conditions and pressing urge for a shag got the better of me. Sorry.

However, did get a few snaps and these will follow in the photo section once I work out what to do and get time away from prying eyes ie the wife.

Asie Frenchy
07-28-05, 12:46
I went today, walked the entire block, down to the next block, all the way round and back.

Every single one is shuttered, in many cases sealed with a PSB [LE] seal on the clasp of the padlock; i speak little chinese but was able to ascertain that some of the operators are now guests of the chinese government but most [the smarter ones who did not try to stay open after warnings] have done runners and most of the girls the same, off to other cities as opposed to other parts of GZ, where i am being told the current crack down is likely to advance district by district, but who knows;

Anyway it looks like for the forseeable future ramada area is a goner.

[if anybody who speaks better chinese than i do can get any info about where the girsl from the famous and best '3rd shop along' have gone, pls post or pm me]

bye

OldAsiaHand
07-28-05, 15:15
Another legendary mongering spot bites the dust.

First, it was the Candyland Strip in the Futian district of Shenzhen. Then, it was Cronin's favorite "River Road" around the corner from the Ramada shops in GZ. Now, it looks like the infamous Ramada shops are gone. I will have to go by and have a look myself and at least pay my last respects. I had some fantastic service in those shops over the years (my first visit was in 1997!), especially Shop No. 3 (also my favorite!) where I must say I had some of the best BBBJ in South China and LT for only 300 RMB. Unfortunately, I cannot remember which phone numbers are which providers on my mobile or I would try to call the lao ban yang or some of the girls.

Asie Frenchy, Did you walk up to to next block and make that quick right/left? How about shops on that road and in first alley on the left? The next road up?

There has been a lot of high end development on the banks of the river down that way. I reckon some of the new homeowners put pressure on the local district government to clean up the neighborhood, thus the closures. Actually, when you think about it, WuYang has always been one of the most expensive districts in GZ. I am surprised it lasted so long in that area. Must have been some heavy payoffs being made.

Just my POV.

OAH

Asie Frenchy
07-28-05, 18:48
Yup, sad to say i did the entire area.

The second block oldasiahand is talking of, and even the area near to the firestation

Actually one place is still open.

The road running from opposite the firestation towards the river?

On the left is on bbs. 3 ladies, all Szechuan I think.

I had 2 of them long back. Average but not on par with Shop 3 and me not up for a repeater.

But all else is gone gone gone although some of the 'staff' from shops 1, 2 and the other side may now be hanging around working out of nearby flats.

If you look like you are looking you may get approached, but this is not the best quality end of the market, mainly those out of Shop 1 I think.

Bull Dozer
07-29-05, 00:38
OAH,
I feel sorry, that an old customer just lost his Play ground. For the past 8 Years of excellent service by Ramada BBS's , you should in their memory put up a monument, so that all of us can send some flowers.
OAH, I hope we can meet up soon in Houjie. I am jealous of you guys who have a free reign on pussy,& is accessable to you any time you want. I wish SFO was like that. Oh well, thats life.

GJ

Fast Eddie 48
07-29-05, 04:28
OAH]I feel sorry, that an old customer just lost his Play ground. For the past 8 Years of excellent service by Ramada BBS's , you should in their memory put up a monument, so that all of us can send some flowers.

OAH, I hope we can meet up soon in Houjie. I am jealous of you guys who have a free reign on pussy,& is accessable to you any time you want. I wish SFO was like that. Oh well, thats life.

GJOAH / Go Joe,

Talking about SFO, I was at one of the AMP in San Francisco yesterday.

Empire: they reopen after 3 week after the big raid in sfo , 4 girls one chinese girl ann all korean girl is gone sent back to Korea I guess. This girl is very hot ,tall slim the type i like she said she is from south china.

FS is rush. No BB, only CBJ. Damage is 160 usd. Ouch, she even know about infamous sha tsui not sure she work there before. She only been in US for little over a year.

For all you lucky guy that is in china right now, my next trip to Shenzhen and Dongguan is mid sep for business and i can't wait.

Fast eddie 48

The Wanderer
07-30-05, 03:59
The next block up is where I found a BBS open about 2 weeks ago - see report 14Jul, however, went 28Jul now closed.

Any suggestions OAH? I usually stop in the China Hotel and get pissed by the prices asked by the Mamasans out side and you take pot luck, prefer to select myself - its all part of the fun.

Thought about trying Cronin's suggestion and going south of the river is this area still worth a trip? The other suggestion to the north of the GZ East railway station is a bit beyond my very limited chinese.

Any help / advice appreciated. Will try and down load a few snaps, didn't work last time.


Another legendary mongering spot bites the dust.

First, it was the Candyland Strip in the Futian district of Shenzhen. Then, it was Cronin's favorite "River Road" around the corner from the Ramada shops in GZ. Now, it looks like the infamous Ramada shops are gone. I will have to go by and have a look myself and at least pay my last respects. I had some fantastic service in those shops over the years (my first visit was in 1997!), especially Shop No. 3 (also my favorite!) where I must say I had some of the best BBBJ in South China and LT for only 300 RMB. Unfortunately, I cannot remember which phone numbers are which providers on my mobile or I would try to call the lao ban yang or some of the girls.

Asie Frenchy, Did you walk up to to next block and make that quick right/left? How about shops on that road and in first alley on the left? The next road up?

There has been a lot of high end development on the banks of the river down that way. I reckon some of the new homeowners put pressure on the local district government to clean up the neighborhood, thus the closures. Actually, when you think about it, WuYang has always been one of the most expensive districts in GZ. I am surprised it lasted so long in that area. Must have been some heavy payoffs being made.

Just my POV.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
08-01-05, 14:10
The Wanderer:

The Ramada shops were easy. Foreigner friendly, they spoke some English, good location with a concentration of shops, reasonable selection of talent and pricing, etc.

IMHO, The China Hotel mamasans are all thieves. You never get the girls in the pics. They always try to overcharge you. You are better off with the SWs in the Garden Hotel area or off The Road of Gold.

As you say, the other areas you refer to are much more catered to local punters. The shops are spread about, many shops and/or some of the girls in a particular shop will not cater to foreigners. Almost no English is spoken. The fuck pads are pretty bad. And, it can even be somewhat dangerous from time to time. No offense intended, but I don't suggest you try it alone.

Just my POV.

Having said that, check your PM. Cronin is gracious enough to take you on a tour of his favorite hunting grounds. I may join you guys too.

Happy Hunting!

OAH

World Traveler
08-03-05, 08:13
I was in Guangzhou in late July and I stayed at the same hotel as before. The first night I checked out the Garden Hotel area. At ten o’clock, there was still a big crowd of local shoppers on streets. I went to end of streets here and there, nothing. Closer to the Garden Hotel I was propositioned by a couple of ones walking alone. I am sure I saw the woman I dated six months ago, she was still around! She had lost weight and looked savvier than before, I walked by her. In a summer night like that, I walked to end of the street, turned around and came back on the same side as the Garden Hotel. I exchanged smiles a couple of times and noticed a couple of them hanging in front of Gypsy King, with the police watching. Then, on the over-pass, just west of the Garden Hotel, there were like five, six of them sitting around. As they saw me, they got up and a couple of them started saying hello, sex okay, and stuff. Different looks, from early twenties to late twenties, shorter to taller, one or two would qualify for a six or seven, the rest were boring. Didn’t get into any conversation because it was already getting late and the area was still busy with by-passers.

The next day I went to Dashi and did my stuff, had a feast of fresh young t*ts. The following night the guy from the hotel’s lobby hooked up with a couple of pimps outside and arranged something for me. I turned down the first girl, in mid twenties, nice body but too much mileage I thought. I took the second girl, cute, early twenties, straight long hair, bigger rack, a bit more playful. Two hundred Yuan in my hotel room for one session, average to above service, very accommodating. At first, she insisted on being paid first but I held back, at the end, she was happy .... and I was happy too.

Artful
08-03-05, 13:13
Was in GZ very recently, and sure enough as previously posted, they wouldnt let me and my gal in (it was about 1am). Any suggestions on GF hotels after 11pm?

Celtic 1
08-05-05, 05:28
Hello all,

I am traveling to Guangzhou for my first trip East, I wanted to ask what is the best place for some enjoyment and good selection of ladies? I do not want to be ripped off like many tourists are. Any good places where you would go back to because of good service and selection? Thank you for any suggestions for a firast time traveler. I also may take a trip to HK for a few days too, so any hints there too?

OldAsiaHand
08-05-05, 15:03
Celtic 1:

Can you read? There are 890 posts on the Guangzhou thread. Read them!

OAH

QUOTE=Celtic 1]Hello all,

I am traveling to Guangzhou for my first trip East, I wanted to ask what is the best place for some enjoyment and good selection of ladies? I do not want to be ripped off like many tourists are. Any good places where you would go back to because of good service and selection? Thank you for any suggestions for a firast time traveler. I also may take a trip to HK for a few days too, so any hints there too?[/QUOTE]

OldAsiaHand
08-05-05, 15:26
Hooked up with Cronin for a tour of one of his favorite new hunting grounds this week. We pulled into the area around 8:00pm. Cronin had his top of the line Canon in the bag. I reckon we saw about 25 BBS, each with from 1-2 to 7-8 girls in each. Cronin claims there are many more on adjacent roads and alleys. Overall quality of the talent was 5-7 on my scale with a few 7-8s mixed in. Too many girls to count welcomed Cronin with open arms calling him by name. The guy is a legend. They still ask about him at the Sichuan bunny hutch in Shenzhen every time I walk by after probably 2 years absence.

I reckon 10% of the shops are not foreigner friendly, but all the others seemed to be interested in our business. Unfortunately, Cronin had spoiled the market by overpaying the girls to get his photos. Most shops quoted 200-300 claiming that "my friend" always pays that much. As usual, some even tried to hit the homerun for 500 RMB. What a joke! Anyway, I overheard one Chinese guy negotiating with one lao ban yang for 130 RMB which seem to be the bottom line.

IMHO, the best quality talent was in the 1st two shops we saw so we went back. Cronin had never done any girls from these shops so we were able to get the standard price. I picked a Hebei girl since I cannot remember if I had done one before. All the girls in this particular shop were 7-8.

Service was better than average, not GFE, but she was eager to please. BBBJ with deep throat was a nice touch. Started with cowgirl and she rode like a champ. Turned her over for mish, followed by a doggy finish.

Looks: 7
Rack: 7
BBBJ: 9
FS: 7
Attitude: 9
Damage: 150 RMB

Cronin went back for a repeat with one of his favorite, "fresh off the farm" looking girls with a big rack. I am sure he will post with pics.

An enjoyable adventure with a legend.

OAH

Heel Lover
08-10-05, 15:44
Landed in GZ last night after a long filight (and long wait at airport) I was really tired, but horny and didn't want to waste the night there.

Checked the street outside Garden Hotel but no sign of SW at all, instead there were a lot of LE-like guards with long stick in hand. Then run into a pimp at the hotel drive and a card in my hand. I dedided to make a try.

The guy answered the phone offered 'waitress' for 500, 'students' for 700 and 'Russians' for 1500. Way too high, I said. Without too much bargaining I got a deal of 300 for a 'waitress'.

Some 30 min later the door bell rung and came in the girl named Xu, at early 20s, from Gui Zhou. 7 of face and 6 of body (not very slim but ok). She said she's working in another hotel nearby but I didn't get the hotel name. It was about 10pm so she got no problem coming up to my room.

Shower together, kiss, etc, quite GFE. Some CBJ then the real job, then done(I could not hold it for long, which is a pitty).

Damage: 300 + 10 for 'taxi'.
Overall experience: 7 in my book.

Anyone want the phone # of pimp or the girl please PM me.

Heel Lover

Kooky
08-10-05, 18:30
Been putting off this post for a while, but there's a nice pro in GZ who's been calling me a lot lately trying to drum up business but I usually am not in town or if I am, don't have time for her.

She's medium height (about 5'4-5'5), darker skinned Hunan gal, large breasts, and chunkier body. Not exactly fat, but if you like the typical skinny Chinese gal, she's probably not for you. The pluses are that she is very friendly, slow enjoyable service (BBJ, CFS), and can speak both Mandarin and Cantonese. Standard price of 150 ST and 300 overnight.

If you call her, you can say the young American referred you, but again, you/person talking on the phone has gotta be able to speak some Chinese to communicate your location as she has zero English skills. Treat her well and don't abuse the number. Thanks.

Ah Fa: 13710699684


From,

JK
well i had a bad experience, the girl is too fat, no point contacting her

Cronin
08-20-05, 16:03
GZ crew:

Being called a legend by OAH makes me feel like the sourceror's apprentice. I was reading about OAH's exploits here while I was still a know nothing lurker in LA, years before my first monger experience.

I still remember the first day I met him. Of the seven or eight guys in that monger group, the only guy I really wanted to meet was OAH. He was my hero, and meeting him was a thrill. We all know who the real legend is around here. Calling ME the legend just goes to show what a true gentleman this guy really is.

Those of you who have been lucky enough to meet OAH know just what I'm talking about. He is personable, witty, funny, charming and above all, good looking. I consider myself lucky to count him as a friend. He knows everything there is to know about this sport, so going out with him is a learning experience in itself. And he knows everybody there is to know. I always try to ask him about people here before I meet them.

He is right about my overpaying, I always do that. But, then again, I have a great photo collection to show for it. My wingman, a local Asian guy, never pays more than 150 at the same shop at the same time. And I mean never. So I don't seem to be inflating the price for him. Do I inflate the price for all white guys? Hmmm. Maybe. Its a double edge sword, even for me. It has come back to bite me at the goddamdest times.

Anyway, OAH, I'm waiting to show you this new area I found. I've strongly suspected it was there for about a year now, but haven't gotten around to exploring it. My wingman is notorious for not wanting to explore a new area. All my recon missions are solo adventures. Its such a great feeling to find a new rich hunting ground and you know you're the first white guy to find it. It's like you know this wonderful new secret.

It's another locals area. This place is clean and well lighted, unlike the rats and roaches area I showed you. There are more BBS than I can count, and they were all waving me in when I went there. You'll like it, it reminds me of the area in SZ with the tiled streets near Jusco. The quality was quite nice.

And the best part is I've only been there once and didn't overpay. OK, I did pay 200, but that was only because I didn't have a loose 50, and asking for 50 change from the mama always makes me feel a little stupid (not that I've done that more than once). The girl was surprised and a little stupified that I was giving her the extra fifty. I love it when that happens.

I promise you that I will not overpay in this area. I think that will be no problem. In this area, there are many outdoor eating areas, the place is loaded with locals sitting around eating and drinking. But I did not get the usual sneer/stare from anyone, at least not that I noticed.

Even though I didn't get a lot of notice from the locals, I hope we can get an Asian to go with us, I think it will cause less of a show than the two of us walking around (a little less, anyway). Picture the area I just showed you with an outdoor cafe in front of many of the BBS. By the monger law of "keep a low profile in a locals area", an Asian accomplice will help.

Because this area is so public, it is exactly the kind of area the Gong An will take down if we make it too uncomfortable for them.

See you soon, my friend. BTW, I am dying to visit the Bunny Hutch again. Since I broke up with my psychotic SZ girlfriend, I haven't had a good excuse to go down there. And what the hell happened to Illeagle, anyway. He get married?

Cronin

OldAsiaHand
08-22-05, 05:54
Cronin,

First of all, I appreciate your kind words of encouragement. Yes, I have been mongering in the region for a long time; nearly 30 years now. However, I learn and experience something new all the time.

It never ceases to amaze me how some locals will turn away business from foreigners at local prices. I understand the attempt to try to get more from the unaware at first, but when it becomes obvious that a laowai knows the score, why don't they accept the same price as locals? The same thing happens all over Asia. In some countries, the Japanese are actually charged the highest prices; Thailand, for example.

One always hears, "You are bigger", "You are richer", "You are better at sex and will last longer", etc.

I think the bottom line is what we are willing to pay sets the precedent. Mongers coming over for a short stay could not give a shit if it is 150 or 300, or even 1000 RMB. They only have time for a few pops then go back home until the next visit. It is still far cheaper than what they would pay for similar quality talent at home. The problem is that for those of us getting
2-3 pops per week, every week, it gets expensive. Furthermore, it is the principle of it. Nobody wants to feel ripped off. Fortunately, most of the short stays do not wander into the local areas that often.

I think this especially applies to you when visiting a local area. You are probably the first laowai ever to set foot in the area. They have no idea what to charge you. Some will just treat you like any other local customer and some will try to get as much as possible.

I hope we can hook-up this week to visit your new area. I will ask our Asian friend that came with me last time to join us again.

OAH

P.S. I have not seen Illeagle for awhile.

Silly Puppy
08-22-05, 23:49
Thanks to the master OAH I was able to reduce my cost from 300 to 200 RMB in Shenzhen last time. The same pimp saw me in front of my hotel and he repeated "300 RMB?". I told him I just had someone for 200RMB and he quickly said ok. It is true that for folks like me who comes here once every 4 months the 50% higher fee is not an issue. But I do not really want to spoil the market and make folks like OAH and locals suffer so recommendations from all kinds are very welcome.
Everytime I go to Shenzhen (in the last 2 times) I spend 400 RMB for 2 girls in an interval of 2 hours. This is the best 2 mongering hours in my life. Different girls, attitudes, bodies, smells, sex ... oh I love China. Long live the communists ... :)

Cronin
08-24-05, 20:00
tonight was one of those wonderful nights of mongering that leaves you saying "life is good" and "i never want to leave china". me, wingman and a friend of oah, i'll call him x-man, all went to my newest favorite area. (i won't reveal the location here, but i'll take you there.) i wanted to take oah too, but that didn't happen.

taxi dropped us at the main street of this area and we set out on foot, two white guys and a native gz asian. the main street splits into a maze of back streets, not quite catacombs; this is a standard middle class neighborhood. not too filthy, well lighted, people eating in outdoor cafes, kids playing in the street.

the first shop we came to had about 12 girls, mostly 5-7, but one great looking youngish girl with a viet look to her and a great rack. i was ready to stop right there, but the night was young so we pressed on.

next, i showed them the main bbs street, maybe 10 or so shops. i saw my favorite type girl, face of an angel, fresh country girl type. she was intimidated by two big white guys and used the old "on the rag" excuse. but i promised her "i'll be back". in general, we weren't getting the friendly reception i had gotten before as a solo act on this street. but if we persisted with mama, we could prevail.

we left the main street and headed to a nearby area. on the way, in another shop i saw another girl i instantly fell in love with. again, young country girl, straight off the ginger farm, with just a hint of evil in her eyes. drove me nuts, but i was showing my guys the area so we pressed on.

when we reached the "central court" area, three of the four shops i had seen before were closed. but the one open shop had 22 girls in residence, we counted them. i would have been happy to do any one of them, most were 7-9. and we were getting a very good reception from all of them, although a little fearful.

we let x-man choose first and he chose a saucy thin girl about 20 or so, who was sleeping. i choose a pretty and sexy girl with a great body and an attitude to match. wingman negotiated for us. mama was firm at 200, she knew she had the quality and stuck to her guns. so we acquiesced to "150 if bad, 200 if good", our standard bottom line when we know we've been out-negotiated.

x-man and i went to the room and wingman waited at the shop, he does that a lot. going to the room two-by-two was not a good idea, as the girls just reinforced each other's fears. if you get them by themselves, you can calm them down, buy we wasted endless time talking about how big we were and how much pain they would have to endure, on and on and on.

covered bj followed by covered fs and it was not a memorable experience, even though the girl was really fun to look at. x-man had a good experience, but he is pretty green, so who knows.

we walked back to the first shop to get a girl for wingman, but he didn't want her when he got there. so we did a little exploring and stopped for food. by that time, x-man had to leave for home and wingman and i explored the area further, finding many more shops rep001tered all over this large neighborhood.

we finally stumbled into a dark and seedier area and struck gold, two gorgeous young girls. i saw one girl give a hand signal to mama, she held up one finger and then three fingers and a big smile. obviously, 130 for them was a big payday.

they took us back to their fuck room and i had a wonderful experience. my girl had a perfect asian body, a wonderful thing to behold and was just a great fuck, although no bj, cowgirl, or doggie (sometimes they do that when their afraid of my size). still, she was so small that i couldn't actually get all the way into her, bottomed out. needless to say, the feeling was to die for. she negotiated me up to 150, which was a major transaction for her. oah would be proud!

wingman's girl was great fun, parading around the room naked and dancing, begging for money for a kiss. wingman did her anal, which is his kink, and ended up paying 130. she was thrilled, no doubt.

we left there feeling on top of the world. god i love china!

cronin

Bill Lee
08-25-05, 03:52
so when can i come along?

sometimes words are worth more than a picture. surprised no photo ops on this one?

bill



tonight was one of those wonderful nights of mongering that leaves you saying "life is good" and "i never want to leave china". me, wingman and a friend of oah, i'll call him x-man, all went to my newest favorite area. (i won't reveal the location here, but i'll take you there.) i wanted to take oah too, but that didn't happen.

taxi dropped us at the main street of this area and we set out on foot, two white guys and a native gz asian. the main street splits into a maze of back streets, not quite catacombs; this is a standard middle class neighborhood. not too filthy, well lighted, people eating in outdoor cafes, kids playing in the street.

the first shop we came to had about 12 girls, mostly 5-7, but one great looking youngish girl with a viet look to her and a great rack. i was ready to stop right there, but the night was young so we pressed on.

next, i showed them the main bbs street, maybe 10 or so shops. i saw my favorite type girl, face of an angel, fresh country girl type. she was intimidated by two big white guys and used the old "on the rag" excuse. but i promised her "i'll be back". in general, we weren't getting the friendly reception i had gotten before as a solo act on this street. but if we persisted with mama, we could prevail.

we left the main street and headed to a nearby area. on the way, in another shop i saw another girl i instantly fell in love with. again, young country girl, straight off the ginger farm, with just a hint of evil in her eyes. drove me nuts, but i was showing my guys the area so we pressed on.

when we reached the "central court" area, three of the four shops i had seen before were closed. but the one open shop had 22 girls in residence, we counted them. i would have been happy to do any one of them, most were 7-9. and we were getting a very good reception from all of them, although a little fearful.

we let x-man choose first and he chose a saucy thin girl about 20 or so, who was sleeping. i choose a pretty and sexy girl with a great body and an attitude to match. wingman negotiated for us. mama was firm at 200, she knew she had the quality and stuck to her guns. so we acquiesced to "150 if bad, 200 if good", our standard bottom line when we know we've been out-negotiated.

x-man and i went to the room and wingman waited at the shop, he does that a lot. going to the room two-by-two was not a good idea, as the girls just reinforced each other's fears. if you get them by themselves, you can calm them down, buy we wasted endless time talking about how big we were and how much pain they would have to endure, on and on and on.

covered bj followed by covered fs and it was not a memorable experience, even though the girl was really fun to look at. x-man had a good experience, but he is pretty green, so who knows.

we walked back to the first shop to get a girl for wingman, but he didn't want her when he got there. so we did a little exploring and stopped for food. by that time, x-man had to leave for home and wingman and i explored the area further, finding many more shops rep001tered all over this large neighborhood.

we finally stumbled into a dark and seedier area and struck gold, two gorgeous young girls. i saw one girl give a hand signal to mama, she held up one finger and then three fingers and a big smile. obviously, 130 for them was a big payday.

they took us back to their fuck room and i had a wonderful experience. my girl had a perfect asian body, a wonderful thing to behold and was just a great fuck, although no bj, cowgirl, or doggie (sometimes they do that when their afraid of my size). still, she was so small that i couldn't actually get all the way into her, bottomed out. needless to say, the feeling was to die for. she negotiated me up to 150, which was a major transaction for her. oah would be proud!

wingman's girl was great fun, parading around the room naked and dancing, begging for money for a kiss. wingman did her anal, which is his kink, and ended up paying 130. she was thrilled, no doubt.

we left there feeling on top of the world. god i love china!

cronin

John Siron
08-25-05, 07:04
Cronin... I've been to GZ once and swore I would never go back again due to the lack of action there. I went a couple years ago during one of the GZ Fairs in the fall. After reading your story, I have hope! Hope to meet you one day so you can show me around the real GZ!

Ernestvr
08-25-05, 11:00
I seek advise from OAH and other senior memebers about which hotel to stay in GZ which has a good in house KTV bar with good selections? Also freelancers in the bar.etc and in close proximity of the hotel. Advise from senior memebers will be appreciated.

Gymrat
08-25-05, 14:52
Well, first report.

Good news and bad news. The bad news is I went to GZ before I found this site but the good is I've been back now that I'm a little better educated. Thanks to all, especially Cronin and OAH for the great intell.

I read back about a year's worth of reports but I still have a few questions for guys who may know the area a little better. My company puts us up at the Holiday Inn, which is in a great area for sure. I've found the Garden Hotel and have hung out at the Starbucks (nothing) on an afternoon walk around. We don't get in till around midnight. So the plan next time is to hit the Elephant and Castel vs the hotel bar, which is way too expensive, or the real loud places by the hotel. Anyone been, looks like a good place for a late night beer.

My questions are about the area just to the right of the Holiday Inn. If you go out the front door, go immediately right (not the street with the Wave bar etc), there are a few places. Directly across the street from the Holiday Inn, is a massage parlor above an Indian restaurant. A little farther down the street, on the left, is a BBS with a black and white pole, but no barber chairs (LOL) and the girls wave and seem friendly. A little farther down on the right is another massage parlor where you have to walk up about 8 to a dozen stairs where a girl in a traditional red chineese dress greets you. Its a big place with fish tanks in the lobby and a real nice locker room.

On my first visit, I hit the last massage parlor (with the stairs) paid 90 for a 90 min massage and 200 for a HJ (sorry guys, hadn't found this site yet). Talked to one other guy that I worked with (that admits to going in LOL) and he paid the same. Is it only a rub and tug, what is the real price (you deal directly with the girl in the room) and how do you suggest something better with sign language LOL.

Also, has anyone tried the other massage parlor or BBS?

Didn't get a chance to do anything but walk around in the afternoon last time I was there, but hopfully I'll be back again in Oct. When is the fall fair?

Love GZ (or CAN as we call it)

Gymrat

Cronin
08-25-05, 15:18
John:

I totally sympathize. I can see how a biz traveller would get that impression. As I said before, the local Gong An have cooled down the action for non-locals.

The action for locals is as good as it ever was, IMHO. But that's "damning with faint praise". I think the service in GZ is crap compared to almost anywhere else in China. Most of these girls are from Hunan. I don't know whether they give great service in Hunan or not, but they have a reputation of being the "bad girls" of south China.

Maybe the Hunan girls know how to give good service and when they get here they realize they don't have to because no one else does. The good service comes from Sichuan or Chongqing girls who moved here. That's why those shops are always my favorites (like the Bunny Hutch in SZ).

Anyway, drop me a PM when you get here. I've got three favorite locals areas and I know of at least two more that I haven't had a chance to explore yet.

Bill:

Sorry I missed you last time. Quit spending so much time in the United Flakes of America!

Here's a really shy girl who would not let me photo her face. Actually, her face wasn't the best part of her anyway.

Cronin

Bill Lee
08-25-05, 21:05
Holiday Inn, Garden, China Hotel and White Swan are the ones to stay away from if you can't bring in a girl before 11:00 p.m. They are very strict on the cutoff time of 11:00 p.m. for unregistered guest. I stayed in these hotels before.

Are you willing to go outside GZ? Try the hotels in Panyu, a 45 minutes bus ride from GZ. OAH knows of one specific one in the Panyu city area that we had both check out one evening. I forgot the name but OAH may still have the business card.

I can recommend a $25 US a night room at star-river.com, 30 mins from GZ. But that price is not during the Canton Fair weeks. Star River offers no KTV or bar in complex. It's more of a high end residential community. BMW and Porsche SUV are not uncommon in this place. Can probably sneak in girl through unmanned garage basement elevator. But I did not bring in a girl when I stayed there. So book at your own risk. Star River has 5 or 8 RMB buses going to GZ, ending at Panyu hotel, across from Garden Hotel regularly until 11:00 p.m

At star river, there's a really large KTV about five minutes away. Really big, looks like the US capital building. Off the highway between GZ and HK, ten or fifteen minutes from Clifford Estate. Also, a bus station next to this KTV has buses going to the GZ airport regularly. I can send you info on this.

If interested, PM me with your e-mail and I give you all the particulars including contact info and business cards.

Later,

Bill



I seek advise from OAH and other senior memebers about which hotel to stay in GZ which has a good in house KTV bar with good selections? Also freelancers in the bar.etc and in close proximity of the hotel. Advise from senior memebers will be appreciated.

Bill Lee
08-25-05, 21:15
Cronin. I always prefer face shots over any type of body parts. Gives me more to fantasize and be so envious of you guys back in the motherland.

Will try to hook up with you in Dec.?

Bill



Sorry I missed you last time. Quit spending so much time in the United Flakes of America!

Here's a really shy girl who would not let me photo her face. Actually, her face wasn't the best part of her anyway.

Bill Lee
08-25-05, 21:29
Gymrat:

Stay away from mongering during the Canton Fair from Saturday, Oct. 15 to Thursday, Oct 20 and then Saturday, Oct. 25 to Sunday, Oct 30, 2005. Prices for hotel are through the roof and girls tend to be asking for more money than normal.

Also Chinese New Years falls on Sunday, January 29, 2006.

Bill

Bill Lee
08-25-05, 21:39
I can't believe I am writing so much sh*t on this board and I'm not even in China.

DAMN.

Working on that minimum wage of $6.00 US per hour, that's two hours for one bang in China or 26 hours for one bang in the states.

Go figure. WTF, what am I doing wrong here?

Bill

Deep Fritz
08-25-05, 21:40
Almost all the hotels in the Huan Shi Dong Lu area are not girl-friendly as mentioned (strict cutoff policy after 11 pm.).

I found as an exception the Ka Ying Hotel, 418 Huan Shi Dong Lu. Its located opposite to Holiday Inn, further down the road on the circle.

I never had a problem to slip in with any lady at any time after 11 pm.

Gymrat
08-26-05, 00:12
Bill,

Thanks for the Fair dates. I'll sure avoid the end of the month.

GR

DayNight
08-26-05, 01:05
True, during the show (2nd half of April and October) most hotels charge double or more.

I don't know about Panyu, never stayed there, but I did stay a few times in Shilung. Shilung is just 1 trains stop (20 minutes) south of GZ (on the line to Shenzhen). Even during the fair I pay about RMB200 incl. breakfast in a local hotel (Regal something..... 5 Minutes walk from the trains station)

I never tried if the hotel was 'girl friendly' since the in-house massage ended every time I was there in good FS (rmb 200-250).

Bill Lee
08-26-05, 02:49
They tend to hunt for the best bang for the yuan. Being that they hunt so often, going to KTV will drive them to the poorhouse. Unless you have a senior member who uses the KTV for business excursions. Real senior members have better advises on BBS and SWs.

But then again maybe I'm wrong?


Bill, a senile member
(just working on my 200 posts AGAIN!)
Can't believe that OAH is up to 935. WTF, does that man have a Blackberry connected to his wanker?



I seek advise from OAH and other senior memebers about which hotel to stay in GZ which has a good in house KTV bar with good selections? Also freelancers in the bar.etc and in close proximity of the hotel. Advise from senior memebers will be appreciated.

Bill Lee
08-26-05, 13:34
Gymrat.

I forgot to tell you if you're staying at the HI and paying for Internet access that's 100 RMB a day. There's a cheaper Internet cafe across the street from the hotel on the main road. It's commercial building with maybe the English word dragon on one of the floor billboard. The rate there is about 10 rmb per hour for a VIP (small private cubicle) internet access. It's on the upper floor. I think the exterior sign on the building says "Cafe" or something like that, that gives away it's an Internet bar.

There's another one down by McDonald's near the Garden Hotel. If you need info on that, let me know.

But if you're on a business paid room, use the hotel's internet service then.

Bill


Bill,

Thanks for the Fair dates. I'll sure avoid the end of the month.

GR

Gymrat
08-26-05, 15:17
Bill,

Yeah, another guy I work with knew about the internet cafe and showed it to me. It's on the 3rd floor. Just across the bridge over the main road and to the right about 50 yards or so for other HI stayers. There is a real BBS on the left as you go in, elevators to the right and I think a bank towards the back.

For anyone else interested, they want 100rmb for a "deposit", but you get that back after you pay your 5 to 10 rmb.

Oh yeah, and I was looking for girls in there too, but it was just geekie guys like me. Just like home LOL.

I'll look for the one down by McDonalds. Closer to Starbucks, my other addiction besides beer.

GR

Bill Lee
08-27-05, 01:42
That one is located in the rear of the street. The McDonald is located below street level. Take the small walkway to the right of the restaurant, passing a small flower shop on the right. The next block is a dead end. To the right and almost to the end is the cafe. No real signs but just look into the glass doors and you'll see all the computers.

Mostly used by the local kids for games. I think the deposit is 10 or 20 RMB and it's 5 RMB per hour. Serves sodas. They give you a card with password to log in.

Try the corner noodle joint down 1 or 2 blocks from McDonald. Cheap and good. Got overhead photos for menus. Lots of locals eat there too.



Later,
Bill


Bill,

Yeah, another guy I work with knew about the internet cafe and showed it to me. It's on the 3rd floor. Just across the bridge over the main road and to the right about 50 yards or so for other HI stayers. There is a real BBS on the left as you go in, elevators to the right and I think a bank towards the back.

For anyone else interested, they want 100rmb for a "deposit", but you get that back after you pay your 5 to 10 rmb.

Oh yeah, and I was looking for girls in there too, but it was just geekie guys like me. Just like home LOL.

I'll look for the one down by McDonalds. Closer to Starbucks, my other addiction besides beer.

GR

Gymrat
08-27-05, 14:42
Bill,

Thanks, I'll sure look for it. If they have sodas, they should let me bring my big tub-0-starbucks in. I think I know the noodle shop you talk about.

OldAsiaHand
08-28-05, 06:23
they keep trying to clean up the area, especially around the garden hotel. however, you can still find a few sws around every night. they just move across the street, on the other side of the overpass to the left side of the hotel, the "road of gold", etc. there are no fs bbs in that area that i know about. there are a few rep001tered about in the alleys behind the next major road running parallel to huang shi lu. if you walk up the road of gold to the "t" and cross the street, this area can be found, but the quality is just average in only a few shops.

hotels: i have not stayed in a hotel in gz for a couple of years. i used to walk in to the china hotel with a girl at 2:00am without problems years ago. the ramada was also a good option before, but the gm was a monger from malaysia at that time. does anybody know if the baiyun is girl friendly? how about the gitic? the locations are also very good.

ktv depends on your budget. i cannot afford to pay 1,000 rmb per shot, 2-3 times a week. furthermore, i have a terrible voice and consider sitting tips to be a complete waste of money. and, not all gz ktv girls go with customers. and, even less in gz go with lao wais in my experience. having said that, i do know mongers that only do ktv girls, but in dg where st is only 300-500, lt is 500-800. the overall quality of ktv girls is usually better, the turnover is lower, and they afford a more "romantic" experience than bbs girls in general.

just my pov.

oah

Mas 147
08-28-05, 07:27
The China hotel is now definitely not girl friendly. On my last visit, I was taken to a cafe by the mamasan and when the girl was told that i was staying at the China hotel, she refused to go.

In DG, try the Ya Lan hotel, there is this huge "shop" opposite this hotel where there is a 40 girl line up. This hotel is 100% girl friendly.

Bill Lee
08-28-05, 17:25
This is a follow-up to your question and OAH's answer.

From my past experiences with KTV, here's the best things to do.

1. Go early, as early as 8 or 9 p.m. so the selection is best.
2. Ask the mamasan only for girls that will go out with you at the end of the night to "eat" or late night snack. That's the sign of a girl who should do overnight. Obviously, you cannot say the "f*ck" word
3. Leave at 10pm with girl, enough time to beat the 11 p.m. cutoff time at the hotels. By then, if the girl isn't the type to leave with you, you have a little more time to get mamasan to give you another girl who will. Tip the girl nothing and complain to the mamasan that she gave you the wrong girl. Tip the mamasan if you want, to let her know that it's not the money that you don't want to give to the girl, but you been misled by this girl. The truth is, you were misled and you really shouldn't tip at all. You should be pissed because mamasan wasted your time.

But if the girl was fun even if she won't go with you, you should tip maybe 50 to 100RMB. But that's up to you. The girl still have time by 10 pm to be picked by someone else.

Normal LT in GZ at KTV is about 1000RMB. I get 3 bangs out of the night for that kind of money. Work out the money detail with the girl before leaving. If you love bbbj or bj, make sure you work that out first. Lots of KTV girls think they are on the higher end of the ladder and won't do bj, covered or not.

Also don't pay the girl until the morning. Don't let the girl tell you that you have to tip the mamasan too. That's the girl's part. I have never tip a mamasan before except while at the KTV for exceptional good service. Otherwise, they get their cut from the girls. Tipping the mamasan don't mean you're saving your girl some money. They pay the mamasan their share regardless.

Enjoy your stay at GZ. But you haven't enjoy GZ until you try the BBS or SWs too.

Bill





I seek advise from OAH and other senior memebers about which hotel to stay in GZ which has a good in house KTV bar with good selections? Also freelancers in the bar.etc and in close proximity of the hotel. Advise from senior memebers will be appreciated.

Deep Fritz
08-28-05, 22:11
To OAH,

I stayed several times at the BaiYun last year, it has been never girl-friendly, - except slipping in before 11 pm., the GITIC I never tried.

As I mentioned with the KaYing (four-star hotel, same side like Garden Hotel, but further East) I never had any problem, girl-friendly at any time of the night.

Chop Sticks
08-29-05, 13:55
The KTV price was always 300 ST, 800 LT for me. I never paid 1000 for LT in GZ. Thats too much i think.

Bill Lee
08-29-05, 21:57
800 should be the rate but sometimes it's just worth paying the extra for the right one.

Don't get on my case, but I have once paid 1600RMB for a KTV hottie for overnight. Crazy eh? But I just wanted her so bad and she wouldn't come down.

So at the end, wtf, I'm on vacation. I don't mind spending it.

I never did ST for KTV. Usually my room is a cab away.

Bill




The KTV price was always 300 ST, 800 LT for me. I never paid 1000 for LT in GZ. Thats too much i think.

Pig Fat
09-03-05, 05:58
Sorry this isnt an actual report.

I used to live out in panyu but have now moved out, however Ill be heading out there for one night (maybe two) on monday, but my chinese is a bit limited and I know the girls out that area know no english, so I was wondering if some mongerers can help out with a translation problem of mine. whats the chinese for CIM? Thanks for your help.

PS If anyone wants to hook up on mon night then pm me on here, thanks

Pig Fat
09-03-05, 06:12
Not exactly what you have in mind, but years ago when I mongered around the Garden Hotel area I remember there being a hotel one could take a girl to for some ST pleasure. Its on Huang Shi dong lu but keep walking up (from the Garden Hotel side walking up towards Gypsy King way), its a fair way up maybe 15-25mins from there, memory is a bit hazy, but its a narrow entrance next to a 7-11. Can get a room for about 60rmb an hour.

Dickystiffy
09-05-05, 03:00
Hi all mongers,

I have been reading your shares for nearly one year, but never found one who know the the really Guangzhou hotties cheap market.

The mines are always mostly in very secrect ant outskirt city, it is very hard to find even you are a really local guy if nobody guide. Generally BBS are hugely contenlized in Xinshi of Baiyun Districit, Tangxia of Tianhe distict and Kecun, maybe more i am not sure where it is.

Originally I went there were led by friends, the everage prize and service:

One shot(Kuaican):130yuan ( including BBj, DATY,GFE eperience}

Overnight: 300 yuan (BBJ, DATY, GFE)

If you want to the hoties be your hotel,the extra taxi fee is needed,and they are all youngs and hot.

By the way, i am a really chienes, English is just so so, but communication is no problem. if you like, we can hook together.

Have fun

Me10
09-07-05, 07:17
There is a massage service at Guo Tai Bing Guan (Guo Tai Hotel) that was highly recommended by my colleagues, anyone any imput about this place?

Tristan36
09-11-05, 06:24
For the ones visiting Guangzhou and no need to be in the centre I highly recomen the Bravo Hotel. Located in Shiqiao (Panyu). It is about 1 hour ride from Garden Hotel--100rmb in taxi--. The hotel looks quite friendly and the rooms are like a nice 4 star hotel in Europe.

It has an impresive KTV with very nice rooms and a lot of 6-8 nice girls available. I cannot give a deeper opinion of the KTV since I could not use it because I was alone.

I was able to stay in the club. There is a show with some people singing and an orchestra. Some Go Go dancers also. And many girls ready to play dice and chat with you. Unfortunelly, only one of the girls is able to speak English. She is very nice eventhough very busy since she also speaks Japanese.

My putonghua ability is the same as a 4 year old so I cannot have a large conversation and many times I feel a little bit lost. Could anybody explain how does it work the club culture. I have understand more or less how the girls work in a KTV. But in those clubs? What are the standard rates in Tien He or near the Garden Hotel clubs? How much should be in Panyu? Do the girls get commision for the drinks/food?

I was with a very nice slim quite tall girl. We play for several hours. We drink and eat and I had a lot of fun. She asked for 1500rmb to go up and I got the price down to 1.000rmb. -Sorry, probably I am pushing prices up but it was late and I really like her.

We had a good time in my room.

I am sure that if you have time you will have a good time in the Mirage club at Bravo Hotel.

Bill Lee
09-13-05, 22:55
Think about getting on the Clifford bus at the side of Garden Hotel, across the main street from the Brazilian buffet restaurant (if it's still there). Further away from Starbuck and McDonald. The bus stop has no signs but there's usually a line of commuters there. Look for the Clifford Bus. You can't miss it, it says Clifford Estate.

The bus driver will ask for Clifford ID, but if you're a foreigner, he won't hassle you for it. Just tell him you're going to a friend in Clifford. The bus ride I think is less than 10RMB. It's a 30 to 45 minute ride toward Panyu. Payment for bus ride is at the end of the bus ride in Clifford.

Get off at Clifford and take a taxi to the Mirage. Will cost probably 15RMB or a local bus will cost 1RMB? #10 or #1 bus? Not sure.

Typical LT in GZ at KTV was 1000RMB and in Panyu, 700RMB. Sw in Panyu near the Mirage are 150RMB ST. Just a five minute walk from the Mirage.

Bill


For the ones visiting Guangzhou and no need to be in the centre I highly recomen the Bravo Hotel. Located in Shiqiao (Panyu). It is about 1 hour ride from Garden Hotel--100rmb in taxi--. The hotel looks quite friendly and the rooms are like a nice 4 star hotel in Europe.

It has an impresive KTV with very nice rooms and a lot of 6-8 nice girls available. I cannot give a deeper opinion of the KTV since I could not use it because I was alone.

I was able to stay in the club. There is a show with some people singing and an orchestra. Some Go Go dancers also. And many girls ready to play dice and chat with you. Unfortunelly, only one of the girls is able to speak English. She is very nice eventhough very busy since she also speaks Japanese.

My putonghua ability is the same as a 4 year old so I cannot have a large conversation and many times I feel a little bit lost. Could anybody explain how does it work the club culture. I have understand more or less how the girls work in a KTV. But in those clubs? What are the standard rates in Tien He or near the Garden Hotel clubs? How much should be in Panyu? Do the girls get commision for the drinks/food?

I was with a very nice slim quite tall girl. We play for several hours. We drink and eat and I had a lot of fun. She asked for 1500rmb to go up and I got the price down to 1.000rmb. -Sorry, probably I am pushing prices up but it was late and I really like her.

We had a good time in my room.

I am sure that if you have time you will have a good time in the Mirage club at Bravo Hotel.

Tristan36
09-14-05, 01:44
Thank you for the hint about prices in GZ and Panyu and the less expensive way to arrive to Shiqiao (Panyu).

Regarding, the area near the Garden Hotel after 09.00pm starts the action. Even at Saturday night at 02.30am you can find about 20 WS offering services.

At Tang Club one can find some ladies contacting really very fast. Unfortunelly, most of them are only 6/7. Nevertheless, they asked me 400rmb for ST so it can be worthy in case of need.

Could anybody tell me at what time Golden Street action starts and the reference prices there? I do not want to be a inflationary cause in our market so I would like to know the real prices. I read some old reports and it seems that the prices at Golden Street were quite higher than in Garden Hotel area but I would like to know the present prices.

Thanks in advance

Khanaan
09-14-05, 04:08
Cronin,

No wonder she hid her face. Man i have seen some dogs in china some even under the meat cleaver. But she has to be the most ugliest bodied chinese woman I have ever seen. Tell her to go wash her feet and also tell her I know a good lingerie shop that can provide stocking that'll just go right on the jugs of hers..

OldAsiaHand
09-14-05, 06:24
Bill,

Clifford Bus is now 7 RMB. #1 Bus to ShiQiao is 1.5 RMB. Taxi can be up to 20 RMB on the meter.

SW are only 100 RMB ST w/o BBBJ. We paid an extra 50 RMB for the BJ.

I've never done any Bravo KTV girls, but there have been some posts on this thread in the past. Another good KTV in town is in the hotel next to the Friendship store off DaBei Lu. I forget the name. It is the biggest in ShiQiao with over 500 girls on tap. I had a look at the talent, but did not partake. Quality is in the 7-9 range with some real stunners there.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
09-14-05, 06:28
Tristan36,

If you are Asian you should not pay any more than 250-300 RMB ST. I found the quality to be a bit better than Garden Hotel counterparts. However, if you are a foreigner, it is difficult, if not impossible, to negotiate the same price. They always quote me 500-800 RMB and refuse to bargain. I've just given up on the area myself.

OAH

Tristan36
09-14-05, 10:40
Thank you OAH,

I am not Asian. I am from Europe so I am sure that for me it will be difficult to bargain. I know that they overprice us. But it is better to know the prices so I can try to bargain with better knowladge or at least to know that I am not completly rip off.

I found that here in Guangzhou it is quite difficult to find high-end ladies. I read all the reports in the past and I have been able to find any that it is clear cut with this kind of Ladies. There are other cities such us Beijing and Shanghai where it is much easier to find the right club, bar where to find them.

Well, I will continue my research and I will post the results.

Thanks again

Bill Lee
09-14-05, 21:15
And remember, 20RMB more for the room, 10RMB for turning on the AC?

F*cking funny. We're just suckers for those suckers.

Bill


Bill,

Clifford Bus is now 7 RMB. #1 Bus to ShiQiao is 1.5 RMB. Taxi can be up to 20 RMB on the meter.

SW are only 100 RMB ST w/o BBBJ. We paid an extra 50 RMB for the BJ.

I've never done any Bravo KTV girls, but there have been some posts on this thread in the past. Another good KTV in town is in the hotel next to the Friendship store off DaBei Lu. I forget the name. It is the biggest in ShiQiao with over 500 girls on tap. I had a look at the talent, but did not partake. Quality is in the 7-9 range with some real stunners there.

OAH

Sean C
09-15-05, 00:07
Bill,

I've never done any Bravo KTV girls, but there have been some posts on this thread in the past. Another good KTV in town is in the hotel next to the Friendship store off DaBei Lu. I forget the name. It is the biggest in ShiQiao with over 500 girls on tap. I had a look at the talent, but did not partake. Quality is in the 7-9 range with some real stunners there.

OAHThe hotel should be shi chang da jiu dian.

Fast Eddie 48
09-15-05, 00:38
And remember, 20RMB more for the room, 10RMB for turning on the AC?

F*cking funny. We're just suckers for those suckers.

Bill


to bill / oah

the hotel oah is refering is panyu hotel in shiqiao town - panyu , nice
room 4 star large ktv very expensive i stay there last year. i just contact
them room on oct 15 canton fair is $ 150.00 usd 3 time more than norm.
i love this hotel nice pool and chinese garden.


www.panyuhotel.com
130 dabei lu
shiqiao town panyu


fast eddie 48

Mark Mason
09-15-05, 15:16
I have been to this place a few times and I can recommend it to anyone who likes a long stimulating HJ. No other services are on offer, but the staff are well trained and know how to please. Prices is RMB168 for 90 minutes and that includes as much of a massage as you would like in addition to the HJ. No tip is expected, but the ladies only get RMB50, so sometimes I like to extend for another RMB80 for 45 minutes.

The addresss is: Huan Shi Dong Lu 475 and the entrance is well marked and a lady in a qipao will escort you to the 3rd floor. It isa about a 20 minute walk or a RMB 7 taxi ride from the Garden Hotel.

Bill Lee
09-15-05, 16:00
ARe you referring to the Panyu hotel that is across from the Star River complex. Across from the highway between GZ and Clifford Estate. Right after the second or third bridge going south? If you are, you know the Star River has a hotel too. They have cheaper arrangement on the 14 floor. PM me if you want contact info there.

Bill


to bill / oah

the hotel oah is refering is panyu hotel in shiqiao town - panyu , nice
room 4 star large ktv very expensive i stay there last year. i just contact
them room on oct 15 canton fair is $ 150.00 usd 3 time more than norm.
i love this hotel nice pool and chinese garden.


www.panyuhotel.com
130 dabei lu
shiqiao town panyu


fast eddie 48

Joes
09-18-05, 05:10
I'll be in GZ next week and staying at the Marriott China Hotel, Are there any action anywhere inside the hotel, Bars, KTV? Or anywhere nearby? Please advise.

I read that this hotel is not girl friendly at night, is it after 11:00 PM or is it sooner?

Thanks,

Joe

Ditto88
09-18-05, 10:49
I salute the senior members especially Cronin, OAH, Bill Lee and Fast Eddie for the continous sharing of their exploits and explorations in our common interest. It would really save us the effort,time and money if we really go through their references. You guys should start an exploration company like Shell or BP....rather then looking for oil, we are looking for meat and holes..lol.

I have read reports that some hotels are not girl friendly so kindly advise whether Best Western ( Bai Yun ) Hotel, opposite Garden Hotel has the same rules of 11 pm cut off time for girls. As a Chinese from Malaysia, will i be subjected to the same rules ?? Or is there any way to pay off the guards ?? Does the same rule apply to the KTV girls downstairs. The KTV girls downstairs is the last option for me as the price is way too high at 3 : 10 : 13, although quality is very good.

For your information, this is the 2nd trip for me to GZ and will be checking in on the 27/09/05 from Dongguan. After reading the threads, i would really like to cruise the BBS shops at Ramada which unfortunately has been closed ( RIP ). Noted " Road of Gold " as new place and hope that i could get directions. Is it safe at these places ??

Shantou - Anybody know pick up point in this town ?? The pubs around the Golden Sand hotel ( If i remember the name correctly ) doesn't seem to have any action with 95 % local patronage.

Looking forward to all your comments in earnest and thanks in advance. If anybody wants to have Tea or Beer in GZ, please leave me a PM.

Cheerio!

OldAsiaHand
09-20-05, 13:42
I went by to witness the tragedy with my own eyes. Approached from the WuYang McDonalds side and saw the 5 shops on and off that tree covered small lane all shuttered. Drove along the old "River Road", Cronin's favorite hunting grounds of the past, and all the BBS have been replaced with restaurants, convenience shops, etc. Parked in front of the expat apartments on the corner and did the walk. A tear came to my eye when I saw the shutters on Shop #3. All the shops have converted to legit or selling something else on the next block up. However, Shop # 2 & 4 are still open for business. I grabbed a CQ girl and headed over to the apts across the way. BBBJ was basic, but the FS was pretty good. She was about a 6-7. Standard 150 RMB fare.

Lao Ban Yang tells me that other shops had no license and were too obvious with 7-8 girls. She added a male hair stylist in her shop as a cover and you can actually get a shampoo/cut. She is only accepting her previous "regular" customers for the time being, since she does not want any LE trouble, especially during this period. She is not sure how long she can stay open in the future. I reckon it is just a matter of time.

OAH

Mac 2
09-20-05, 14:58
OAH,

I feel with you. It was one of the best places.

However, I was driving on my way home today and took another route through zhujiang xin cun. There is one street with 10 shops. The girls there i would rate in some shops between 7-9. I didn't take a shot, but i went into 3 to check out more detailed.

PM me, if you want the exact location and maybe we can hook up one day. Would be nice. I am sure we have a lot to talk about.

MAC2


I went by to witness the tragedy with my own eyes. Approached from the WuYang McDonalds side and saw the 5 shops on and off that tree covered small lane all shuttered. Drove along the old "River Road", Cronin's favorite hunting grounds of the past, and all the BBS have been replaced with restaurants, convenience shops, etc. Parked in front of the expat apartments on the corner and did the walk. A tear came to my eye when I saw the shutters on Shop #3. All the shops have converted to legit or selling something else on the next block up. However, Shop # 2 & 4 are still open for business. I grabbed a CQ girl and headed over to the apts across the way. BBBJ was basic, but the FS was pretty good. She was about a 6-7. Standard 150 RMB fare.

Lao Ban Yang tells me that other shops had no license and were too obvious with 7-8 girls. She added a male hair stylist in her shop as a cover and you can actually get a shampoo/cut. She is only accepting her previous "regular" customers for the time being, since she does not want any LE trouble, especially during this period. She is not sure how long she can stay open in the future. I reckon it is just a matter of time.

OAH

Superforce99
09-21-05, 02:05
Mac 2,

I've recently returned to GZ on a more regular basis after being away for almost half a year now. So, with a lot of the old regular places gone, I'm eager to explore new areas in GZ again. I tried to PM you, but I don't think your PM inbox works anymore without a subscription. So, hopefully you can post the directions here or email me (my ISG username @ yahoo.com).

Thanks.


Johnny

Superforce99
09-21-05, 02:16
For all the mongers out there heading to GZ for the Canton trade fair, maybe we can help each other out.

I just cleaned up my apartment in preparation to sell it. Don't know how long it's going to take to actually sell so I am offering to rent it out to a monger(s) for the month of October.

General description:

-three bedroom/2 bathroom, 128 square meters
-It's located about 5 minutes walk from the GZ Friendship store/Road of Gold area and 10 minutes walk to Garden Hotel.
-water, gas, and electricity are paid for
-bed, fridge, washing machines, sofas, and tables included
-bring in girls if you are not flashy and being discreet about it

for the rental period of Oct. 1 - Oct. 31, I am asking for $600 USD, slightly below what my previous renters were paying. Let me know if you're interested or need more details johnnykon666 . yahoo .com

Now back to regular scheduled mongering...


Johnny

Caron Demonio
09-22-05, 05:29
I am a newbie to this forum but a senior member in others, so I know that I should UTFSE/RTFF before posting.

Too bad I don't have much time to gather all the info I need so I prefer to go straight to the point.

As CEO (Chief Entertainment Officer) of my company, I need to set up the special activities to be done after the hard working hours.

I will be in Guanzhou (Garden Hotel) and Dongguan (Sheraton) for the first time in October (9/14) so I would like to have a list of really good places to visit in both cities. Good places meaning girls 8-10 in look and performance, budget is not an issue, no barber shops or KTV. For the ones that know, I am thinking of places like the Model Lounge of the Poseidon MP in Bangkok, or a really good Gentlemen Club or a Caribbean style thing (with sure action, not only teasing & drinking!).

For your info, I am based in Bangkok and I travel a lot in SEA, so massage, saunas, barber shops etc are my daily bread.

Please, just few addresses to help me save time!

Thanks mates,

Caronte

Night Dragon
09-23-05, 04:33
I am a newbie to this forum but a senior member in others, so I know that I should UTFSE/RTFF before posting.

Too bad I don't have much time to gather all the info I need so I prefer to go straight to the point.

As CEO (Chief Entertainment Officer) of my company, I need to set up the special activities to be done after the hard working hours.

I will be in Guanzhou (Garden Hotel) and Dongguan (Sheraton) for the first time in October (9/14) so I would like to have a list of really good places to visit in both cities. Good places meaning girls 8-10 in look and performance, budget is not an issue, no barber shops or KTV. For the ones that know, I am thinking of places like the Model Lounge of the Poseidon MP in Bangkok, or a really good Gentlemen Club or a Caribbean style thing (with sure action, not only teasing & drinking!).

For your info, I am based in Bangkok and I travel a lot in SEA, so massage, saunas, barber shops etc are my daily bread.

Please, just few addresses to help me save time!

Thanks mates,

CaronteThe health center at the Sheraton hotel in Dongguan where you are staying is one of the top saunas in DG city. If you want to make sure to get the top girls for you and your guests, go there ahead of time and talk to the manager, ask to see the girls, pick the numbers you like and "book them" for when you want to entertain.

OldAsiaHand
09-23-05, 07:57
Night Dragon:

I believe that the Sheraton to which you refer is in HouJie, not Dongguan City. Is that correct?

OAH

Bill Lee
09-23-05, 12:59
Found this address at sheraton.com:

S256 Provincial Highway Houjie Town Dongguan City, Guangdong Province 523962 China
Phone (86)(769) 598 8888 Fax (86)(769) 590 8888


Here's my take on my visit to the basement sauna in June:

The house fee is 288RMB. The selections are 400, 500 and 700. The house fee can be charged on your credit card.

Depending who you are, they may or may not be opened to your visit. Meaning if you're a foreigner they may just offer your the standard legit massage.

Read member 3346 report on May 10 on his visit to the basement.

My friend and I showed at 4:30 p.m. on a Saturday and went directly to the basement. Every appearance looks legit down there. We asked for a business card and were given one of a manager. We were told to call first to see if a room was available.

We left and ten minutes called and asked for a room for each of us and arranged our visit for 5:00 p.m.

We returned to the basement and were greeted by a hostess. She first took us to a large waiting area with foot massage chairs. After waiting 10 minutes, she brought us into a small room with two chairs. There after waiting five minutes, they started to parade 5 girls at a time, all in lingerie. They were either dressed in red (400RMB), black (500RMB) or purple (700RMB). The last one were designated a model type. Unfortunately, I wind up picking a 400RMB girl not knowing about the color system first. Otherwise, I would have asked only for model girls to view. Anyway, after selection, we were given a small booklet with our room number on the seventh floor. I arrived in our room and after five minutes, the girl I selected arrived. The rest was history. The ST ended with a second blast with a beautiful BBBJ CIM in the shower.

If your budget allow it, try it.
Bill




Night Dragon:

I believe that the Sheraton to which you refer is in HouJie, not Dongguan City. Is that correct?

OAH

Sean C
09-23-05, 14:19
I'm stationed in GZ.

Last week went to Jun Kang Yue Spa (next to GZ Binguan) along Qiyi Lu.

Facilities: 4 pools (1 chinese medicine, cold, hot), sauna, steam, food

Girls: 7-9

Damage: 235 for hk style, 260 for oil massage (inclusive of HJ)

Business Class
09-24-05, 02:04
I'll be in GZ next week and staying at the Marriott China Hotel, Are there any action anywhere inside the hotel, Bars, KTV? Or anywhere nearby? Please advise.

I read that this hotel is not girl friendly at night, is it after 11:00 PM or is it sooner?

Thanks,

JoeBrother Joe,

Typically the China Hotel is not girl friendly after 11pm. I have taken someone up at 10pm for an all-nighter with no problems (after three pops, had a great night's sleep). Once 11pm hits, it's off limits. Once, I was in the lobby at 4am and saw two caucasians with two Chinese gals heading to the elevator. Within a minute, they were walking back out the door. Looks like the guard sent them packing.

Now the twist comes with the Executive floor. I've stayed there once. Ironically, my interpreter (a legit person from my company not intended for personal pleasure) came with me to pick some materials to take back. They have a separate check-in set up there. Once I checked in as an individual and went into my room (interpreter following), someone from housekeeping knocks a few minutes later. She was bringing us a set of female pajamas for my "guest". Go figure... Granted, it was before 10pm, but bringing a set of pajamas was a bit confusing.

As for action, I've never seen anything in the hotel (Marriotts tend to be straight up). I have been to Cosmos KTV in the Dong Fang Hotel 100m down the street past the McDonald's. There were only two gals that could speak English, but one was especially cute. We've managed to keep in touch via e-mail and plan to meet at the China Hotel on Sunday. According to her, she's gotten permission from her mamasan since it's a working night. I guess I'll see what that means in terms of RMB damage.

Best of luck to you.

BC

Caron Demonio
09-24-05, 10:48
Found this address at sheraton.com:

S256 Provincial Highway Houjie Town Dongguan City, Guangdong Province 523962 China
Phone (86)(769) 598 8888 Fax (86)(769) 590 8888

Here's my take on my visit to the basement sauna in June:

The house fee is 288RMB. The selections are 400, 500 and 700. The house fee can be charged on your credit card.

Depending who you are, they may or may not be opened to your visit. Meaning if you're a foreigner they may just offer your the standard legit massage.

Read member 3346 report on May 10 on his visit to the basement.

My friend and I showed at 4:30 p.m. on a Saturday and went directly to the basement. Every appearance looks legit down there. We asked for a business card and were given one of a manager. We were told to call first to see if a room was available.

We left and ten minutes called and asked for a room for each of us and arranged our visit for 5:00 p.m.

We returned to the basement and were greeted by a hostess. She first took us to a large waiting area with foot massage chairs. After waiting 10 minutes, she brought us into a small room with two chairs. There after waiting five minutes, they started to parade 5 girls at a time, all in lingerie. They were either dressed in red (400RMB), black (500RMB) or purple (700RMB). The last one were designated a model type. Unfortunately, I wind up picking a 400RMB girl not knowing about the color system first. Otherwise, I would have asked only for model girls to view. Anyway, after selection, we were given a small booklet with our room number on the seventh floor. I arrived in our room and after five minutes, the girl I selected arrived. The rest was history. The ST ended with a second blast with a beautiful BBBJ CIM in the shower.

If your budget allow it, try it.

BillSo are you saying that extra/special services are provided only in the guest's rooms and not in the sauna? And are the girls working in the sauna or are available only for room service?

Thanks
Caronte

Bill Lee
09-24-05, 17:30
Don't know.

Bill


Any hotel other that do that? specially in Panyu?

Bill Lee
09-24-05, 17:37
That's setup at the Sheraton. I read 3346's post first and heard it first hand from a fellow traveler before going there. The deed was done in the upper floor and not in the basement. I don't know of any other options. These girls were brought to us for a lineup in lingerie. Not your typical sauna uniforms.

That's all I know.
Bill


So are you saying that extra/special services are provided only in the guest's rooms and not in the sauna? And are the girls working in the sauna or are available only for room service?

Thanks
Caronte

Joes
09-27-05, 16:12
Thanks for the response. How was the KTV girl you met on Sunday? Please check Thanks for your PM. What is the price for the KTV in the Dong Fang Hotel?

Joes


Brother Joe,

Typically the China Hotel is not girl friendly after 11pm. I have taken someone up at 10pm for an all-nighter with no problems (after three pops, had a great night's sleep). Once 11pm hits, it's off limits. Once, I was in the lobby at 4am and saw two caucasians with two Chinese gals heading to the elevator. Within a minute, they were walking back out the door. Looks like the guard sent them packing.

Now the twist comes with the Executive floor. I've stayed there once. Ironically, my interpreter (a legit person from my company not intended for personal pleasure) came with me to pick some materials to take back. They have a separate check-in set up there. Once I checked in as an individual and went into my room (interpreter following), someone from housekeeping knocks a few minutes later. She was bringing us a set of female pajamas for my "guest". Go figure... Granted, it was before 10pm, but bringing a set of pajamas was a bit confusing.

As for action, I've never seen anything in the hotel (Marriotts tend to be straight up). I have been to Cosmos KTV in the Dong Fang Hotel 100m down the street past the McDonald's. There were only two gals that could speak English, but one was especially cute. We've managed to keep in touch via e-mail and plan to meet at the China Hotel on Sunday. According to her, she's gotten permission from her mamasan since it's a working night. I guess I'll see what that means in terms of RMB damage.

Best of luck to you.

BC

Ditto88
09-27-05, 19:24
have just checked into bai yun at 10 pm. after my bathe and dinner, went out cruising the bridge area nearby hoping to see action. walked to the right side of the hotel and saw 2 oldies outside a restaurant bar asking me for some playtime. i decline and managed to sneak a peek inside the bar area and saw more aunties lounging around.

went out the overhead bridge and did a four side survey. didn;t see any girls hanging around the macdonalds and starbuck area so went down towards garden hotel. saw a guy in uniform chasing away some girls hanging around the entrance of the hotel ( ladies actually, appx 30ish and looked old ) so decided that there would not be much action around the area as per reported previously. walked along the street towards holiday inn but did not see any girls that fit the description so decided to check out the pubs along " her ping road ". did see many ****d lookers who were in groups but didn;t follow up as there was no eye contact. obviously, not professionals.
had a few beers and headed back to hotel.

Dickystiffy
09-28-05, 10:30
it is really hard to find stunners in your yesterday area,actually outskirt downtown is rich such as sanyuanli, tangxia, xintang, shipai, kecun, chigang, it is really different from dongdong(you can find anything any anywhere)


have just checked into bai yun at 10 pm. after my bathe and dinner, went out cruising the bridge area nearby hoping to see action. walked to the right side of the hotel and saw 2 oldies outside a restaurant bar asking me for some playtime. i decline and managed to sneak a peek inside the bar area and saw more aunties lounging around.

went out the overhead bridge and did a four side survey. didn;t see any girls hanging around the macdonalds and starbuck area so went down towards garden hotel. saw a guy in uniform chasing away some girls hanging around the entrance of the hotel ( ladies actually, appx 30ish and looked old ) so decided that there would not be much action around the area as per reported previously. walked along the street towards holiday inn but did not see any girls that fit the description so decided to check out the pubs along " her ping road ". did see many ****d lookers who were in groups but didn;t follow up as there was no eye contact. obviously, not professionals.

had a few beers and headed back to hotel.

Cronin
09-28-05, 18:42
Ditto,

Don't know how well you speak Chinese, but if you're up for a 20 min cab ride I'll try to give you a good SW spot.

Lately, there have been several nice young SWs on Huangpu Dadao about midnight or later, strictly late night action.

Get in a taxi at the hotel and tell the driver "Huangpu Dadao" (pronounced Wong Poo Dah Daow, put emphasis on the "Daow"). He'll immediately ask you where on Huangpu Dadao. Whatever he says just say "Wo Gaose Ni" (Woe Gaow Seh Knee) which means: I'll tell you when we get there.

Or you can say "Shipai Dong" (Sip Pie Dong), which is a street which T's into Huangpu. Its 20-25 minutes from the Garden Hotel to Shipai.

On Huangpu Dadao, which is a main east-west drag, there are several landmarks you can look for: several car dealerships on the right (south) side of the street and a huge tunnel (don't let him go down there) and a McDonald's and giant home furniture center on the right.

The SW hang out in a pretty spread out area on both sides of Huangpu around these car dealerships (Mercedes, Audi, etc). They are not clumped together, maybe only one girl in the middle of nowhere. They're trying to keep a low profile.

But they are obvious pros, they'll be standing right on the street like they're looking for a taxi, but the taxis only stop with guys who want to talk to them. Point the driver at them and he'll figure out the plan. It will be late enough so that there is no problem being obvious, if you're quick.

After you have made the pass on the south side (going east), take the fly-over turn around just past Shipai to get back going west again. There's another set along the north side.

There won't be a massive amount of girls, maybe a dozen total, but they look to be above average quality, not like the old hags at the Garden Hotel Pedestrian Bridge. Never partook myself, too rich for my blood (probably 300 minimum for White Guy short time).

Taxi should be 25 Yuan to Shipai and 25 Yuan back.

Good luck, let us know how it goes,

Cronin

Lennio
09-29-05, 04:57
Hello,

I am in Guangzhou now, yesterday checked the Garden Hotel Area. Some nice girls around there. Some who i would classify as 8 in looking. Did not go with them though. Had a Pimp asking me if I want a Miss. Sure! How young? 16, 17... I said, 18! Girl was OK, a little too fat, but whatever! The bad thing was, she left earlier because of pain! From her reaction i can see that she is not used to dicks of a size like 18cm. Too bad! Left too early, service was crap and I did not get my money back!

Though, i did not find many girls who are young enough in that area! Had some 40ish girls asking me to have a sexy massage. Better not! I am looking for at most, 18 years old girls! Is there anything like this in the Garden Hotel Area? Maybe I was a dumbass, saw a young lady, maybe 18 or 19 talking something to me, but I was not too sure if she was really one of the SW or just making fun of foreigners.

I got another question. Do you know of any Hotels which are cheap enough and girlfriendly?

Lao Ma
09-29-05, 06:16
Lennio:

First off, welcome to the forum.

Second, are you saying you want to have sex with girls who are 16 or 17 ? To each their own I guess, but in my book, that qualifies you as a pervert and a sick puppy.

I hope I have misunderstood your post.

Lennio
09-29-05, 06:21
Heya!

Yes, fortunetly you misunderstood my post. :) I am searching for 18 years olds. They should not be any older as I am 20 myself, and I dont like the feeling of an older girl. So 18 is my preference. Sorry to make a mistake with my wordings, but I am not a native english speaker.

Can you help me out? Are you in Guangzhou during these weeks?

Ditto88
09-29-05, 10:25
Bro Cronin and Dickystiffy,

Thanks for the info, especially to Master Cronin for the excellent directions. Reading them is pretty easy when i am able to compare them to the Map i bought since i speak and read mandarin and i must say that Master Cronin is spot on with the pronunciation.

Unfortunately, will only be able to check out the site tomorrow night only because after firing blanks for 2 days, i have finally succumbed to my urge to call friend of mine ( Wen Wen ) who manages night club girls. Getting very desperate with my cum spiralling up my brain, i called her yesterday night for dinner and chit chat. After dinner, we went to Catwalk bar to meet up with the girls. The place is pretty cool with loads of pretty chicks although beer cost is kinda on the high side at RMB 300 for a dozen. ( That is the minimum charge for a table ). Only Siao Fang from Yunan came as the other friend had checked in to work. Well, she is 20, pretty, slim with 33 B firm boobs and very sociable ( must be the nightclub training ). We finished 2 dozens of beer and partied with a lot of dancing and rubbing till 1 am. Cursing Bai Yun Hotel for the 11 pm regulation, i ended the night with RMB 300 tip and a booking of Siao Fang for the next day.

Although booking cost of RMB 1,300 for a day is gonna get me whipped by fellow members, i think that it will be well spent with a closed room marathon bonking session. Not planning to come out of my room for 24 hours...lol
We shall see if she is worth the money spent....Stay tuned !!! But dont whip me too hard for the expenditure...Not thinking straight with CUM overflowing in my head.

I did cruise the BBS in Ramada area following Bill Lee's excellent direction and pictures but only 1 shop was opened and the area was a little intimidating to me...Will definately cruise ShiPai Dong Road tomorrow.

A million thanks again master Cronin....

Ace Gallant
09-29-05, 11:20
Hello,
Had a Pimp asking me if I want a Miss. Sure! How young? 16, 17... I said, 18! Girl was OK, a little too fat, but whatever! The bad thing was, she left earlier because of pain! From her reaction i can see that she is not used to dicks of a size like 18cm. Too bad! Left too early, service was crap and I did not get my money back!

Though, i did not find many girls who are young enough in that area! Had some 40ish girls asking me to have a sexy massage. Better not! I am looking for at most, 18 years old girls! Is there anything like this in the Garden Hotel Area? Maybe I was a dumbass, saw a young lady, maybe 18 or 19 talking something to me, but I was not too sure if she was really one of the SW or just making fun of foreigners.


Oh man.... I got a place just right for you! It is call "Tokyo" you can have sex with willing junior high schools girls for free. And may be you also like torture kind of sex... where is can tie them up with ropes, whip them and fuck till they bleed! It is call... Hentai!

The Japanese are fond of these but personally...I tend to agree with LM...it is a bit sick in the mind for me.

Cronin
09-29-05, 12:46
Ditto,

Just to be clear, the SW girls are not on Shipai Dong, they are on Huangpu Dadao. When the taxi driver asks you "where on Huangpu Dadao" and you tell him Shipai Dong, that just gives him the cross street location on Huangpu.

Shipai Dong is a typical University "dog town" street. Lots of college girls there, but few pros on the street. There are several BBS in Shipai Cun, the adjacent village, but that involves walking the catacombs. Don't go there.

Good luck,

Cronin

Cronin
09-29-05, 12:50
On the Lennio issue, with respect, I think you guys may have missread his post, which wasn't well written.

When I read that post, I assumed Lennio had asked the ages because of the old women he was seeing on the bridge. Then the pimp offered the 16-17 year olds, but Lennio said: "18!"

I agree, you could read it either way, but that was my take on it.

Cronin

Heel Lover
09-29-05, 16:18
on the lennio issue, with respect, i think you guys may have missread his post, which wasn't well written.

when i read that post, i assumed lennio had asked the ages because of the old women he was seeing on the bridge. then the pimp offered the 16-17 year olds, but lennio said: "18!"

i agree, you could read it either way, but that was my take on it.

cronin

quoted from lennio's post: "i am looking for at most, 18 years old girls!" so i think he is looking for girls, 18 or under 18, which i consider as "****".

Lao Ma
09-30-05, 03:02
Thanks for the clarrification. Man I can barely remember when I was 20, seems like such a long time ago.

Wait, it WAS a long time ago....

I don't get to GZ very much - some of the most senior and respected members on the China boards live down that way and can maybe help you. If you lower your standards a little bit and grab a girl in her 20's, you may be pleasantly surprised. Women don't reach their sexual peak until they are well into their 30's, most say. In my own opinion that is true, especially for blow jobs.

Dickystiffy
09-30-05, 04:48
I have not been to Shipai Dong Road for long time, a friend of mine who yesterday explored told there is dead. Nothing found. Please take a note.

Dicky

Lennio
09-30-05, 06:56
heya,

i'm really sorry for making so much trouble. :( yesterday i went there again, only a few nice girls, and those i would have really liked just stood with the sw. at least thats what i was told by one of the sw. do you know of any massage parlor where i can choose the girls, and where they also have the younger girls (dont worry, \i am speaking of 18, 19 or 20 years old girls)? i saw a sign of a massage parlor (90 minutes for 128 yuan) but i did not find it. its the one you see when you walk across the bridge in front of the garden hotel. i wished i could find a place with nice girls who are under my age, but not **** of course. :-)

Jonas Fun
09-30-05, 09:43
Hi fellow mongers,

I am going to Guangzhou for the Canton fair, and have a few nights on my own before meeting up with my chinese business associates.

I speak absolutely no chinese, and the only times I got some action in China, was when the hotel staff provided me with a girl. And as the hunting is as much fun as the sex for me, that is really not my style.

So if any of you guys would like to meet up for some hunting, (on the 17th and 18th of October) please let me know. And for your information I'm a quite experinced monger - but not in China...

Looking forward to hearing from you

Jonas

Lennio
09-30-05, 09:54
After yesterday i think the SW scene is not the best thing for me. the girls are just too old and not really my style. thats why i ask: is there a common place for chinese girls who are seeking a foreign bf? something like "babyface" or different locations? there should be girls 18 years old, of course. no 40ish ugly masseuses. :D

Ditto88
09-30-05, 11:42
After firing blanks for 2 days in GZ, i finally manage to get my self laid expensively. Siao Fang who was suppposed to come was not able to make it so Wen Wen arranged for another girl called Siao Suen to come over to my room. I was feeling pretty excited as i have never met the girl before and it would be pretty depressing if the girl wasn't attractive enough for me. Well, for 1,300 LT. I am expecting someone who must be a minimum 8/10 in my books.

I was not disappointed at all, She is 20, Looks were 8/10, Boobs 34 B, Slim but with a bit of beer tummy, 5 3" ( just my height ), very fair from Hunan. She said that she worked in a few nightclubs which i can't remember but doesn't go to work regularly. Anyway, after about 30 minutes chatting, we started the first session of the night. Service was non existence, no BJ and stuff but she clearly enjoyed my humping and rubbing as she was gyrating her hips in tandem to my motion. Her moans were very genuine and extremely stimulating. Having changed several position, i find that she expresses herself more in circular missionary so i finished the session with that.

Overall, i feel that i should be getting paid for the service i provided as she seemed to enjoy the experience more than myself although her visual and audio display were very stimulating. Manage to get my money's worth with 3 sessions even though there was no service.

Will be checking out the Huang Pu Ta Tao area later tonight if i have enough the strength. Cross my fingers that the girls dont celebrate National Day...

Superforce99
10-01-05, 05:43
Interesting front page article in yesterday's "Nanfang Daily" newspaper. Had a obviously-set-up photo showing policemen raiding a BBS in the Haizhu district of GZ. General story on red light district crackdowns happening in GZ during this National Day time. The BBS looked pretty good actually, so I was trying to find out exactly where the street/location was from the story but, alas, no specific details...

Anyway, be careful if you decide to monger during this National Day period...

johnny

Business Class
10-01-05, 08:57
Thanks for the response. How was the KTV girl you met on Sunday? Please check Thanks for your PM. What is the price for the KTV in the Dong Fang Hotel?

JoesBrother Joe,

I replied to your PM. Not sure if you're still in GZ.

As for the KTV gal, she was 1000RMB for the night. Negotiated down from 2000RMB. I probably could have brought it down lower, but she had the stuff to give that GFE you don't find in China, typically (I'd met her in the KTV a few months before, but didn't get a chance to close the deal then).

She was quite new to the business, around 20 years old and in school. She assumed we'd go bareback, and was worried about becoming pregnant. Calmed her fears by pulling out the rubbers, and gave her a little advice on bringing some herself in the future for her protection.

First round was DATY and mish. Second round was BBBJ and doggie. Unfortunately, the morning round didn't happen because I had an early morning meeting. Overall, not too bad. It'll get better each time, especially since she's starting to feel a little attached (possible future freebie "girlfriend" in GZ - keeping the fingers crossed).

BC

Peekaboo
10-03-05, 03:06
Thanks for all the info. I'm flying in to attend the fair and I have 2 questions. What's the best way for an English only speaking person to get from Hong Kong airport to Canton and how long a ride is it?

Thanks in advance.

Bill Lee
10-03-05, 19:18
from my jan., 2005 post. btw, there is no more vip bus service as of june, 2005. the bus ride is about 3.5 to 4.0 hours from hk to gz.

for the last five years, my regular route has been the gogo or cts coach buses leaving from the airport to any of the major hotels in gz, such as garden, china, landmark. the one way price is 250 hk (?) and roundtrip is double and 50 less.

however, the last time, there was a new service (at the same counter area where gogo and cts are. a "vip" company offered the same ride to your destination in gz for the same price but in the comfort of a seven passenger van.

as soon as you walk out of the hk immigration and custom, the counters are located together in the left side of the terminal. their sales girlswill mobbed you for their business. the van and bus counters are feets from each other. best thing to do is to ask each one when is their next bus out to gz and more importantly when will they estimate your arrival time be at your final destination.

only thing about vip was that over the same china border crossing, you have to hook up with another van from the same company. i think the bus services uses the same bus and driver. but sometimes not. the van service also like gogo and cts have female employees at the other side of the china border looking for your paper badge that all the bus services stick on you to id you as one of their customers.

vip was faster too since they did not have more stops and passenger to deal with. and being that it was new, i was the only passenger on the van. so it took me a little over two hours to get to my gz destinations. the regular bus rides are about three hours.

now there's the train that leaves from the airport that is more faster and more expensive but i'm not familar with that. and it requires a change of station either in hk or kowloon.

try the new vip company. btw, they are only one way now from hk to gz.

perhaps telling us which hotel you will be staying at will yield more info from others on the board.


bill


thanks for all the info. i'm flying in to attend the fair and i have 2 questions. what's the best way for an english only speaking person to get from hong kong airport to canton and how long a ride is it?

thanks in advance.

Bill Lee
10-04-05, 00:20
btw, this was how the border crossing works when i have been there for the last five years.

after getting on bus from hk airport, it's about a 1.5 hours ride to the borders. from the border to gz, it's over 3 hours.

bus drops you off at hong kong border and you leave your luggage in bus' cargo bay but take your carry-ons (for safety). remember the bus number or license plate number.

cross hk border into china buffer zone - most likely same bus will pick you up at other side. at the hk exit immigration and custom, turn in your hk entry pass. it's the small copy that you got when you enter hk at the airport. walk over to other side of terminal and take same bus again and in about 10 minutes the bus will drop you off at china border crossing. you take all your belongings with you this time.

after going through the china immigration counter, prepare to have your carry-ons and luggages to be x-ray at customs, only ten feet after immigration. just put them through the conveyor belt.

the bus will take you to your final destination, be it whatever hotels you're staying at.

if you are taking the bus, make sure you don't lose that paper badge, it's the only way the employees at the border crossing/bus terminal recognize you as their customer and direct you to the right bus on the china side. your badge should have your final destination written on it.

enjoy the ride. be careful not to get hustle by private van or taxi services anywhere in china. i was alittle worry on my first crossing without anybody to accompany me.

this should help alot. btw, never took the train, so can't help you there. from what i remember, only the major hotels like white swan or marriot china had free van services from train stations in gz but that was years ago.

here's cts's website: http://ctsbus.hkcts.com/english/routes/routes-airport.htm

give us your hotel's name and maybe someone here can give you more direction.

bill


thanks for all the info. i'm flying in to attend the fair and i have 2 questions. what's the best way for an english only speaking person to get from hong kong airport to canton and how long a ride is it?

thanks in advance.

Bnlee2
10-04-05, 00:45
last year when i went from hk to china i had a private limo pick me up. when we got to the border crossing, instead of getting out and fight with the masses, the driver just pull into a toll booth. we gave our passports and papers to the driver and the driver just gave it to the guard inside the booth. while we were sitting in the back seat of the car, i think the toll booth had electronic camera so that the guard can view us.

in a matter of a few minutes, the guard gave our vehicle a green light and we speed off to our hotel in china. we never even got out of the car. efficiency..... looking back we could see all of the poor suckers trying to scramble their way through a mass of confusion.

i think this system was just institued recently. very efficient and worth the extra dollar in transportation cost.

Member #3346
10-04-05, 12:53
thanks for all the info. i'm flying in to attend the fair and i have 2 questions. what's the best way for an english only speaking person to get from hong kong airport to canton and how long a ride is it?

thanks in advance.

for a non-chinese speaker, the limo option or the bus directly to your hotel from either the airport or hk sounds like the safest bet. when i was there for the fair, i spent the night in kowloon, so i took the airport express train to kowloon, then the next day took the metro to hung hom station, then caught a train to guangzhou. hk is easy to get around if you don't speak english, gz is a lot harder. if you've never been there before, gz is huge, and what looks navigable by a printout map is not. if you've spent time in southern california, it's like trying to get from one side of los angeles to the other just by reading street signs. the one thing in your favor is that because it's fair time, there will be english speaking business people everywhere. if you're not going to be dropped off right at your hotel, be sure you have a printout of the name of your hotel or destination in chinese, so the taxi driver can find the place.

Member #3346
10-04-05, 13:03
So are you saying that extra/special services are provided only in the guest's rooms and not in the sauna? And are the girls working in the sauna or are available only for room service?

Thanks
Caronte

Many of the saunas I've been to in China have a reception floor which may or may not have rooms, and another floor(for some reason I noticed a lot of the floors are on floor '7') for service. The rooms are in the hotel, and look like hotel rooms, so when you go to your 'room', it's not actually your hotel room upstairs, but an upstairs floor run by the sauna, dedicated for extra/special service, but the room looks exactly like a hotel room. Some places will let the girl outcall to your actual room, I'm not sure if you have to catch her off duty or if there's a bar fine-type fee you pay. Also, some of the saunas if you come later in the evening, will let you sleep in the room you got serviced in if you need a place to stay for the night, but I'm not sure how much it costs or if the girl can stay with you overnight.

Bill Lee
10-04-05, 14:00
bnlee2

care to share the name, price and contact info of the limo service? was it from the hk airport? where was their counter/office at the airport?

thanks,
bill


last year when i went from hk to china i had a private limo pick me up. when we got to the border crossing, instead of getting out and fight with the masses, the driver just pull into a toll booth. we gave our passports and papers to the driver and the driver just gave it to the guard inside the booth. while we were sitting in the back seat of the car, i think the toll booth had electronic camera so that the guard can view us.

in a matter of a few minutes, the guard gave our vehicle a green light and we speed off to our hotel in china. we never even got out of the car. efficiency..... looking back we could see all of the poor suckers trying to scramble their way through a mass of confusion.

i think this system was just institued recently. very efficient and worth the extra dollar in transportation cost.

Cronin
10-05-05, 12:40
Dateline Guangzhou.

In the past several days I've been to 3 "locals only" areas in Guangzhou. I saw LE at all three places. These are places I know for sure have never been reported here. So much for the ISG-crackdown link. So if they know, I'll tell you guys: Yuancun, Huangpucun and Shipaicun.

I have never seen a white face in these places. So they are not cracking down to create a "Clean Guangzhou Face" for the visitors. Of course, this is Golden Week, so perhaps there is a link to that.

Sounds like the same thing is going on in SZ. I haven't read the other boards.

Let's hope this is just a Golden Week-Canton Fair thing and isn't a new policy by the Central Government. Can they really think they are going to stamp out prostitution in China? Tilting at windmills, indeed.

And isn't it interesting that the Gong An know just where these little shops are. I'm sure they're doing good detective work.

Cronin

Bill Lee
10-07-05, 00:58
Clean up your PM box. So many people are trying to PM you (nah. Just me).

I hear there was free giveaway of ED pills but your box was full. Too bad.


Bill

OldAsiaHand
10-07-05, 12:45
Bill,

I cleaned it out.


OAH


Clean up your PM box. So many people are trying to PM you (nah. Just me).

I hear there was free giveaway of ED pills but your box was full. Too bad.


Bill

LuvumBare
10-07-05, 15:45
about a year ago, made this trip on the high speed ferry. i got the ferry at the central hk ferry dock. about 1.5 to 2 hrs later we were laned in the outskirts of gz. we had another 1hr bus ride to the bus stop at garden hotel. i don't know if this is still available or what is the cost. i remember it was a very nice way to see the rivers delta.
'bare

Transporter
10-08-05, 11:09
about a year ago, made this trip on the high speed ferry. i got the ferry at the central hk ferry dock. about 1.5 to 2 hrs later we were laned in the outskirts of gz. we had another 1hr bus ride to the bus stop at garden hotel. i don't know if this is still available or what is the cost. i remember it was a very nice way to see the rivers delta.
'bare


there still is a ferry service to sz or humen from hk.
you can find the timetable with a search online.

DayNight
10-08-05, 15:23
Is the subway line to Panyu already open?

It was planed....:

http://www.urbanrail.net/as/guan/guangzhou.htm

Lennio
10-08-05, 15:51
Hello,

Just yesterday I drove through that area and no, it is not finished yet.

Maybe next year?

Cronin
10-08-05, 15:51
DN,

You can see it on the new maps, but it won't be here for 5 or 10 years is what I'm being told.

Cronin

Skyway
10-09-05, 12:35
Hey guys and fellow experts with Guangzhou, I am headding off there first time ever (as a matter of fact first time ever to china), could some one please guide me to find a decent place to stay 100 to 150 USD / nite in or around Guangzhou, I cant find a single room in Guangzhou, so I figured maybe if I find a close by city that I can commute to and from every day by trian / cab undergournd!. Another question, where is the action in Guangzhou, I have read the board and cant locate any specific plalces. I hope Guangzhou will not be as boring as it seems. Thanks for all the help that is much needed.

Fast Eddie 48
10-09-05, 22:29
Is the subway line to Panyu already open?

It was planed....:

http://www.urbanrail.net/as/guan/guangzhou.htm


to day night

i was in panyu for one day last week, no subway it still not open don't know
when , bus from downtown panyu still take 30-40 min .

fast eddie 48

Fast Eddie 48
10-09-05, 22:43
Hey guys and fellow experts with Guangzhou, I am headding off there first time ever (as a matter of fact first time ever to china), could some one please guide me to find a decent place to stay 100 to 150 USD / nite in or around Guangzhou, I cant find a single room in Guangzhou, so I figured maybe if I find a close by city that I can commute to and from every day by trian / cab undergournd!. Another question, where is the action in Guangzhou, I have read the board and cant locate any specific plalces. I hope Guangzhou will not be as boring as it seems. Thanks for all the help that is much needed.

to skyway

try panyu or changping

panyu is a larger town close to guangzhou by bus is 30 min, i was there
last week most hotel have double the rate to 800 to 1000 like the panyu
hotel and friend ship hotel or try changping town in dongguan area one train
stop from guangzhou 30 min . check dongguan post for more info or pm me


fast eddie 48

Bull Dozer
10-10-05, 00:37
Skyway,
I can only suggest Houjie town, I love it there it is only 60 minutes by bus, from the Guangzhou Liu Hua bus station that is near & same side as the Big Train Station. It costs 40RMB ticket, Houjie has many nice & reasonable hotels & lots of pussy available cheap prices compared to any other place I know off. I will be in Houjie from 14th-30th , I am from San francisco, but have an apartment right behind Sheraton hotel, I keep it for year round just to avoid situations like this, & to take advantage of Houjie pussy galore. Good luck.

GJ




Hey guys and fellow experts with Guangzhou, I am headding off there first time ever (as a matter of fact first time ever to china), could some one please guide me to find a decent place to stay 100 to 150 USD / nite in or around Guangzhou, I cant find a single room in Guangzhou, so I figured maybe if I find a close by city that I can commute to and from every day by trian / cab undergournd!. Another question, where is the action in Guangzhou, I have read the board and cant locate any specific plalces. I hope Guangzhou will not be as boring as it seems. Thanks for all the help that is much needed.

DayNight
10-10-05, 01:04
I need some support for Plan B.

I am going to meet my online date in Panyu during the Canton fair, which offered me a place in her flat.

But I need a "Plan B" if my date is horrible (possible) or her place is horrible (possible).

Who knows any inexpensive hotels in Panyu? I look for the rmb 200 are or so.

Or another way to ask: are there any budget hotels or motels in Panyu?

John Siron
10-10-05, 07:36
It is the GZ Trade Fair month again.... everything is double the price. I'm waiting for the fair to be over before heading over to DG for a weekend of fun.

Cronin
10-10-05, 13:29
John and GZ visitors,

I can see the Pazhou Exhibition Complex from my patio. They are putting up new buildings around the Exhibition Hall as fast as they can lash bamboo right now. One of them is going to be a new Shangri La Hotel, the Guangzhou Shangri La. That will be followed by all the auxiallary services, I hope. Hmm, nice and close to my house.

Speaking of services, I saw a new type of service last night I had never seen before. I was wondering through Huangpu Cun around 11pm, getting happily lost in the endless maze of dark alleys no wider than your outstretched arms. I had spotted 2 cuties in one of my favorite BBS, but I was cruising around to see what else was available.

As I went further and further into the labyrinth, with the alleys getting more narrow and dark, I found myself in the middle of a little sweet spot. I first noticed what was going on when 2 guys on a motor bike stopped to chat up a girl in doorway. As I squeezed by them, I realized they were negotiating for service.

As I walked on, turning left and right through the maze, I saw a girl in a doorway every 30 feet or so. I saw maybe 15-20 different girls. Who knows how many there were providing this "door stop" service in this area... lots for sure.

I stopped to negotiate with one and she led me into a small apartment right behind her with two rooms and two beds and not much else. The alleys are so dark I couldn't really see her until we got into the room with some light, which is where I realized that, although she was young, she was maybe a 5, so I passed.

I stopped at another girl who led me to her room and again I passed when I got a good look at her. That really pissed her off and she started cursing me loudly in Cantonese. I just patted her on the arm and said "Xie Xie, Duei Bu Chi" (Thank you, I'm sorry) When we got back out to the alley she yelled something to the other girls, which was interesting in itself, sort of their "early warning system".

I was getting friendly approaches from all these girls. Refreshing, as many of the BBS girls here are very reluctant to do a white guy. However the quality is pretty low. But the whole experience was very very interesting. I've never seen that system before.

Huangpu Cun is north of Huangpu Dadao Zhong, south of Zhong Shan Dadao Xi and west of Dong Pu Dama Lu. It is a vast neighborhood "village" with an endless supply of BBS. How many? Maybe 30-50? I don't really know, every time I go I find new places. There are a couple concentrated areas, but they are also spread out over this huge area. Only good for "explorer" type mongers where you feel comfortable in a local's area. I wouldn't recommend this area for marketing guys on their first trip to China at the GZ Trade Fair.

Here's the BBS girl I ended up with last night. Sorry non-nude despite my best efforts.

Cronin

John Siron
10-11-05, 03:12
No offense to the GZ players, but I haven't really seen any good looking service providers in GZ before! Is it me or is GZ women (including the ones that go there) really low on quality? I think Dongguan, Zhuhai, Shenzhen is much better... any thoughts?

Heel Lover
10-11-05, 13:15
For those who can read Chinese, here is the link:
http://news.sina.com.cn/s/2005-10-09/09587120704s.shtml

Ke Yi, the victim, is Chinese with a master degree got in UK. He was found coma in front of Bai Yun Hotel at Huan Shi Dong Lu, at dawn of Oct 7th. Witness said he was doing translation and pimp for foreign mongers there before 4 local law shool students found him and beaten him badly, twice.

Ke Yi is working in a cement manufactory in GZ, as a full time translater for a "Belgium expert".


What a tradegy!

HL

Business Class
10-11-05, 13:29
Brother John,

I think there's some truth to your statement. I've been told by a local that no matter how beautiful a girl may be, within 2 years of living in GZ, she'll turn ugly.

The only hope is to find young ones that haven't drank the water, yet (is it me, or does the water really stink? It's bad even in the hotels).

BC


No offense to the GZ players, but I haven't really seen any good looking service providers in GZ before! Is it me or is GZ women (including the ones that go there) really low on quality? I think Dongguan, Zhuhai, Shenzhen is much better... any thoughts?

Business Class
10-11-05, 16:23
Hey brothers,

I've received a couple of messages requesting this gal's contact info. I am not one to refuse a fellow brother's request (as I have been guilty of this crime). However, I definitely feel guilty about sharing this one's phone number. She is a newbie and has grown an attachment to me. We constantly send e-mails and she's literally counting the days of my return. I'm confident that she's legit because of her performance that night. Definitely GFE with lots of extracurricular activities. So I'm going to be selfish about this one.

Obviously doesn't mean I won't share if that's what she wants. If you choose to go to the KTV I discovered her, and she is willing to go with you, then that's her perrogative. She'll be easy to find if you give it a little effort.

BC


Brother Joe,

As for the KTV gal, she was 1000RMB for the night. Negotiated down from 2000RMB. I probably could have brought it down lower, but she had the stuff to give that GFE you don't find in China, typically (I'd met her in the KTV a few months before, but didn't get a chance to close the deal then).

She was quite new to the business, around 20 years old and in school. She assumed we'd go bareback, and was worried about becoming pregnant. Calmed her fears by pulling out the rubbers, and gave her a little advice on bringing some herself in the future for her protection.

First round was DATY and mish. Second round was BBBJ and doggie. Unfortunately, the morning round didn't happen because I had an early morning meeting. Overall, not too bad. It'll get better each time, especially since she's starting to feel a little attached (possible future freebie "girlfriend" in GZ - keeping the fingers crossed).

BC

Cronin
10-11-05, 17:39
OMIGOD! You didn't drink the tap water in Guangzhou did you? Please don't do that. It's not really water, it's just clear sewage.

I've never been able to find any real information on water analysis in Guangzhou. Maybe its in Chinese on some site somewhere, but I've never seen it and I have searched for it.

However, its a safe bet that, at various times of the year, there are any number of bacteria (including E Coli and V Cholera) parasites like Giardia, high levels of Mercury, Chromium and Lead with several industrial chemicals and pesticides thrown in for good measure. If it doesn't kill you sooner, it WILL kill you later.

There's always a little electric water pitcher of some sort in the hotel rooms. If you have to drink water, always boil it first in those things. I don't drink ice that hasn't been made from boiled water. I don't even put tap water on my toothbrush. Just assume it's poison.

Cronin

Business Class
10-11-05, 23:14
Brother Cronin,

Drink the water? I can't even stand to take a shower in it. This is the main reason why I stay at the China Hotel because it's the only place where the water doesn't smell as bad.

I always drink the bottled stuff they provide, and pick up a couple of liters in the stores.

The closest I've come to drinking it was at Starbucks, which is what I assumed caused that bitter taste. My buddy swears that it's a different kind of bean, but I never experienced that in Japan, Korea, or any other place I've been.

BC

PS - By the way, may I say that it's an honor to write something that would cause the great Cronin to post a response.


OMIGOD! You didn't drink the tap water in Guangzhou did you? Please don't do that. It's not really water, it's just clear sewage.

DayNight
10-12-05, 00:29
OMIGOD! You didn't drink the tap water in Guangzhou did you? Please don't do that. It's not really water, it's just clear sewage.

If you live in GZ (or in any city in China) I suggest you buy a Reverse Osmosis Water conditioner. It does make the water to fine drinking water. They are available in GZ for below rmb2000

Reverse Osmosis is also used in the Middle East to make sea water into drinking water.

Weelock
10-12-05, 01:51
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There's always a little electric water pitcher of some sort in the hotel rooms. If you have to drink water, always boil it first in those things. I don't drink ice that hasn't been made from boiled water. I don't even put tap water on my toothbrush. Just assume it's poison.
Cronin
Ice, is it safe?

When I’m in China, Hong Kong or any third world country, I’m always wary of drinks with ice at bars/resturants. McDonalds, Starbucks, and some of the larger restaurant chains are fine. Was told the ice at these places is shipped in. They don’t make their ice and it's safe. I was surprised when a very small café/bar in Zhuhai told me the ice was shipped in also. She showed me a large commerical bag of ice. Don’t know about most bars/restaurant in China. Anyone knows any info on ice. Do the locals boil the tap water then put it in the freezer to make ice? Maybe they just put straight tap water in the freezer.

Most of the time I just order cold canned drinks. The problem with canned drinks sometimes it’s NOT cold enough. Their refrigerators are not cold enough for my taste. Next time, try warm beer/juice/drink on a damn hot day.


Weelock

Ditto88
10-12-05, 12:02
Master Cronin,

I really respect you, a " Guay Low " for braving the Huangpu Cun area. I can imagine that it is as seedy as the Shi Pai Dong area which you directed me to the last time i was in GZ. I was able to sneak a look while i strolled Huang Pu Ta Tau and i would not dare to go into the labyrinth alleys even if i am a chinese.

Keep up the exploring and stories for our enjoyment and i will do a small prayer for you. Be safe always.


Huangpu Cun is north of Huangpu Dadao Zhong, south of Zhong Shan Dadao Xi and west of Dong Pu Dama Lu. It is a vast neighborhood "village" with an endless supply of BBS. How many? Maybe 30-50? I don't really know, every time I go I find new places. There are a couple concentrated areas, but they are also spread out over this huge area. Only good for "explorer" type mongers where you feel comfortable in a local's area. I wouldn't recommend this area for marketing guys on their first trip to China at the GZ Trade Fair.

Here's the BBS girl I ended up with last night. Sorry non-nude despite my best efforts.

Cronin[/QUOTE]

Skyway
10-12-05, 12:44
Guangzhou seems totaly Chinese to me (being also my first time in China!) - Brothers, need your help, where to find good pussy in GZ, I will be at Canton trade fair from the 15 - 20 of OCt, so questions are
1. where to get good pussy,
2. How much for ST and LT,
3. anything I should be careful off. Our lovely board does not have a lot of info in GZ pussy, at least I could not find it.
4. Can we access the board in china?

Thanks, help realy appreciated!

The Wanderer
10-12-05, 13:04
Got some bad news for you. Good or cheap pussy just does not exist during the trade fair. This is the gold rush time when these girls and their mamasans make their cash.

GZ is dreadful during trade fair and not represenrtative of the other 48 weeks in the year. Take my advice, stay an extra week and see the difference.


Guangzhou seems totaly Chinese to me (being also my first time in China!) - Brothers, need your help, where to find good pussy in GZ, I will be at Canton trade fair from the 15 - 20 of OCt, so questions are
1. where to get good pussy,
2. How much for ST and LT,
3. anything I should be careful off. Our lovely board does not have a lot of info in GZ pussy, at least I could not find it.
4. Can we access the board in china?

Thanks, help realy appreciated!

Heel Lover
10-12-05, 13:20
4. Can we access the board in china?


Yes, you can.

HL

Beijing David
10-13-05, 09:05
When I was at the fair in April I found that guys throwing cards at me as I left Pazhou for typical massage service. Called up a couple and no pussy footing around - wanted to know if I wanted to fuck and ST or LT and told me 600 and 1000 respectively. Not too bad when compared to Beijing prices, but perhaps a more than the laowai locals in GZ pay.

Fredo24
10-13-05, 14:15
I've been to GZ a couple of times and I usually stay in the Garden. Never had any luck there, as I don't like street walkers or BBS and was looking for a bar or club to pick up a SW. I have read through about a year's worth of posts here, but cannot find any information on a bar or club similar to Maggie's or the Pig in Beijing. Or is The Elephant that is sometimes mentioned something like that?

Member #2634
10-13-05, 14:18
Hi all,

coming in to guangzhou from 16th oct to 20th oct. Staying at the china hotel. Any tips from seniors here? also going to shanghai for 18th night. All info will be most welcome.