2002-2006 South China - Shenzhen [Archive] - Page 9

Moody

02-12-05, 20:40

Whois search brings the following results:

FOR: WSGFORUM.COM
Registrant:
None
PO Box 1446
Longwood, FL 32752
US
800-354-4055
Domain Name: WSGFORUM.COM
Administrative Contact:
Carson, Ralph ralphcarson01@yahoo.com
PO Box 1446
Longwood, FL 32752
US
800-354-4055
Technical Contact:
Carson, Ralph ralphcarson01@yahoo.com
PO Box 1446
Longwood, FL 32752
US
800-354-4055
Record last updated 07-04-2004 05:30:13 PM
Record expires on 07-03-2005
Record created on 07-03-2001
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.POWERTOOLSHOSTING.COM 207.218.250.74
NS2.POWERTOOLSHOSTING.COM 207.218.251.225

FOR: *************.COM
Registrant:
WSG FGC
PO Box
New York, New York 10019
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: *************.COM
Created on: 28-Nov-97
Expires on: 27-Nov-05
Last Updated on: 18-Nov-03
Administrative Contact:
FGC, WSG webmaster@*************.org
PO Box
New York, New York 10019
United States
2125551111 Fax --
Technical Contact:
FGC, WSG webmaster@*************.org
PO Box
New York, New York 10019
United States
2125551111 Fax --
Domain servers in listed order:
DNS1.MRWEBHOST.NET
DNS2.MRWEBHOST.NET

FOR: *************.ORG
Domain Name:*************.ORG
Created On:24-Mar-1998 05:00:00 UTC
Last Updated On:19-Dec-2004 06:58:40 UTC
Expiration Date:23-Mar-2013 05:00:00 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Go Daddy Software, Inc. (R91-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:GODA-07171028
Registrant Name:WSG FGC
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street1:PO Box
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:New York
Registrant State/Province:New York
Registrant Postal Code:10019
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.2125551111
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:webmaster@*************.org

As you can see, both *************.org and *************.com are owned by the same person or persons whereas wsgforum.com is owned by a seperate entity entirely. The "*************.org" domain was last updated on Dec. 19, 2004, which jives with what "The Banker" of the other forum has stated. Whether the "Ralph Carson," of Longwood FL, that the "wsgforum.com" domain is registered to is really Jackson, I have no idea, but it's quite possible and likely, that Jackson doesn't own this site either but rather an administrator.

Lilojo

02-13-05, 03:31

Moody:
Thanks for doing the research.

I still wonder whether *************.com had recently taken over/hijacked *************.org.
The past history remains that they were 2 different web sites until this past few weeks when the .org website suddenly seems to be linked to the .com website.They used to be 2 competitors.

BTW, is 212-555-1111 a legitimate number. I thought 555-xxxx numbers are all fake.

Lastly, Jackson seems to be based in Argentina where he has a WSG mansion for parties and his work.
I will just have to check out the Argentina site again and see if I can get some info.

Moody

02-13-05, 09:55

A little further digging reveals the following:

Registrant:
PowerTools Software, Inc.
PO Box 1446
Longwood, Florida 32752
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: POWERTOOLSHOSTING.COM
Created on: 29-Oct-01
Expires on: 29-Oct-05
Last Updated on: 29-Oct-04

Administrative Contact:
Bond, Jackson jacksonbond@hotmail.com
PowerTools Software, Inc.
PO Box 1446
Longwood, Florida 32752
United States
(407) 831-6088 Fax -- (407) 831-2998
Technical Contact:
Bond, Jackson jacksonbond@hotmail.com
PowerTools Software, Inc.
PO Box 1446
Longwood, Florida 32752
United States
(407) 831-6088 Fax -- (407) 831-2998

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.POWERTOOLSHOSTING.COM
NS2.POWERTOOLSHOSTING.COM

If you notice, the hosting company that wsgforum.com uses has the same owner as wsgforum.com itself. Powertoolshosting.com is registered to a PowerTools Software, Inc. with "Jackson Bond" as it's contact. Most likely, the servers are in the US, with Jackson controlling the machines either through a Plesk control panel or VNC.

"The Banker" of the other forum states several times that he recently purchased the "*************.org" domain name. From the info I've been able to gather, it seems to be more than likely that it is indeed the case.

The phone number given for *************.com is fake. A lot of porn sites use fake phone numbers, some even use fake addresses.

Moody

02-13-05, 09:58

You're gonna confuse the lad there Malboy. There are no KTV's where you pay 150RMB for the girl. If you do pay 150RMB, it's not a real KTV. You're basically talking about barbershops or streetwalkers.

Hi Ace,

Go to any KTV in ShenZhen. There lot of young girls in it. You can have your pick. RMB150 for short time. You also have to pay for the room RMB50. They will bring you to an apartment nearby. I don't think you can get any foreigner there as local girls are cheaper.

Yes, Foshan is a nice place and girls are cheap there.

Happy banking,

Malboy

Moody

02-14-05, 20:16

This should shed a little light on Jackson's plight.

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128717

It seems that the vbulletin upgrade didn't go very smoothly. Something is causing CPU overload on his server and he can't seem to get a handle on it. I hope he solves it real soon, but solving these types of issues can be a real ***** to deal with.

Peterhk

02-15-05, 17:09

Hey guys,
haven't posted for ages, so here we go:

1) Anyone interested in arranging a KTV session and joining it?
2) KTV ... can anyone confirm or comment on my 3 impressions:

Some KTV's have got A-type gals, really model-like, but during the session you have a hard time even touching them. They however serve you well and make you feel like a king.

Some KTV's have got all kind of girls, but the girls are pushing you a lot during the session to go to a private room with them. They touch you all the time and it get s a bit bothering

Some KTV's , and those I like best, are having a huge number of gals, the gals give you a gf feeling, kiss you as well, but no dirty actions yet. And if you want you can take them with you.

I know this is all super known, but I just would like to hear some recommendations or comments. I need to make a list for KTV where I can a) bring my business partners to (like the first one mentioned above) and where I can have a great time without feeling pushed (last one mentioned above).

Gentlemen... it's your time to write! And .. Happy New Year!

Peterhk

02-15-05, 17:20

My preference: Tall Northern Chinese Amazons

Since the northern girls tend to be taller, my kudos to northern girl. OAH told me since I like taller girls, I should go up to Qingdao. I’m not sure if this is the right spelling and place (Qingdao) but it’s the same famous place for making Chinese beer. Girls around this area average six inches more than southern girls. OAH said there are lots of girls over 6 feet and a few even taller than him. I have to make a trip someday to see these Chinese Amazons. It must be the water and not the beer.

IMHO and two cents

Sorry for being off-topic here, and please.. note my previous thread!

The Quingdao beer is in fact a German beer. About 100 years ago , or so , some Germans went off for TsingTao for trading, especially silk. They settled down there and even built German-style wood-and-brick houses and a Catholic church, both which you can still see nowadays if you go there. As the Germans are, they missed their beer and started a brewery there. When they left the place, the Chinese basically took over the brewery and continued the success story =) Not everybody knows about this, even many Chinese are not aware of this, so it's always a nice story to tell when you're in China ... Cheers!

Moody

02-16-05, 13:56

Peterhk,

For the first type, there aren't that many in Shenzhen. But here's a short list of some of them not in any particular order:

1) Golden Times
2) Panglin Hotel
3) Class Club
4) The place behind Carianna Square

For the third type, and again not in any particular order:

1) Las Vegas
2) Lushan Hotel
3) and a few others who's names escape me at the moment.

Csun213

02-16-05, 19:13

Hi guys, I need help again. First my parents are coming to China since they are old (75 years old) I would like to find a transportation that would go from HK airport to Shenzhen without getting off the bus or car if possible. I know that some people have taken minivan service from the HK airport where you stay in the van and they come to the van and stamp your passport. I would appreciate any help in this.

The second part is that they do not like to stay in a hotel. Since we will be in Shenzhen for about 2 months, I was wondering if someone would know an apartment with a kitchen for short term rent? Again thanks for any help.

PS, will be coming March 26 and leave June 1st.

Moody

02-16-05, 21:15

CSun,

To get the minivan, you need to go to the A9 counter at the airport. Once there, ask for the limousine service. It should cost 150RMB to Huanggang. I hope they don't have too much luggage.

RasSpewtin

02-16-05, 21:43

There were some speculations earlier that the forum had been hi-jacked, and this seems to make sense to me.

When I emailed the forum last week to ask what was going on, I got a reply from webmaster@*************.org. Normally, I believe legit replies in the past have come from jackson@wsgforum.com. Guys, correct me if I am wrong here.

In the suspect email that I received, it stated:

"There has been no word from Jackson as to what is going on. That site is up
and down. The other forum is from the *************.com It was made available when it appeared that Jackson's site would not be coming back online.
Regards,
*************"

Judging from Jackson's posts on another page on wsg, he has been actively engaged in trying to fix this ever since it went down after the software upgrade. Anyone who "knows" Jackson would have known this, and would not have said "there has been no word from Jackson".

By the way, a similar hi-jack incident occured with my favorite Pattaya Thailand posting site. Thankfully, that one was resolved. Given that I have been able to post today for the first time in a long time, I can only hope that it has been resolved here, too.

Raz

Moody

02-17-05, 06:03

I don't think there's been any highjacking involved. It seems that the "*************.org" domain was sold and is no longer connected with "wsgforum.com." From the symptoms, I would venture to guess that Jackson is having one of two problems. He's either suffering from a DOS attack, or his server is infected. In his post at vbulletin.org, he states that he's using obscene amounts of memory. That leads one to guess that his server is infected with either a virus or trojan. It's also quite possible that this is also the result of a DOS attack. The one bad thing about dedicated servers is that you have to do everything yourself, including security. I'm not sure what kind of firewall setup he has, but he needs something fairly robust to stop DOS attacks. It's too easy nowadays to set one up. You just download a script or two from astalavista.com and you're on your way. Another solution, albiet very expensive, is to akamai everything.

DayNight

02-17-05, 07:31

My suggestion in these slow times:

disable the pictures for all
close the forum for non members completely

Then work on the issues.

LoveAsia

02-17-05, 08:27

Csun,

There are 2 services I know of where you can stay in the car. However, if the crossing is very busy you might have to get out when crossing the China side. The Shenzhen mobile number for one service (speaks Chinese only though) is 13903020366. He is the driver in Shenzhen. I don't have the telephone numnber for his company but he can give it to you. Charge is maybe 150RMB per person but don't quote me. Drives you whereever you arrange is Shenzhen.

Second is a HK service that also speaks English. If I remember they charge a flat fee for the entire van. I believe it was 800RMB but again don't quote me. There number in HK is 852-65596148.

I don't know about short term rentals for apartments. Perhaps you should put a posting on shenzhenparty.com

Good luck,

LA

LoveAsia

02-17-05, 08:30

RasSpewtin

What is the URL for your favorite Pattaya Thailand posting site? I would love to go to Thailand and love reading about the adventures there.

LA

RasSpewtin

02-17-05, 21:20

LoveAsia:

I will PM the URL of my favorite Pattaya site shortly. I will not post it here out of respect for Jackson, and the fact that some other competitors may or may not be responsible for the recent plight of this site. That being said, I know the group that runs the Pattaya board that I frequent, and this kind of foul play would not have been their style.

Raz

Weelock

02-18-05, 20:03

Hi Csun,

I posted some information on minivan a few months ago for you. There were other replies to your question. I guess you never saw them or they were not helpfull. My postings had SCAN of a FLYER ( ad ) I got from a mini-van company. Can the number. The person speaks Cantonese and English. He told me the next time I use him ask for a discount. You can try also for the discount. Price was around 180RMB or $250RMB sorry I don't recall the exact price. You DON'T have to leave the minivan. They just drive thru at customs/border for passports. They also can drop you off at major hotels.

See my postings on 10-04-04 at 00:40 posted #1755 and 10-04-04 at 01:04 posted #1756 in Shenzhen section for the SCANS for the ad.

Weelock

Moody

02-20-05, 15:28

It looks like the board is back online again with a new domain, *************.info. Hopefully, all the regulars will return in due time.

Lilojo

02-20-05, 18:19

Moody:
I checked as well just this morning and a few hours later, the new domain works.
Great news.

Lilojo

02-20-05, 18:31

Still getting intermittent "server busy" message.

Moody

02-20-05, 18:47

Same here.

Still getting intermittent "server busy" message.

Csun213

02-20-05, 22:40

First, thanks to Moody, S Weelock and LoveAsia for your respond to my question. This is why I love this site, there are just so many people who are willing to go out of their way to help anyone with a problem. Trying to understand this a little more, with the minivan, do my parents just stay in the van as they go across from HK to Shenzhen and then the driver will drive us to our hotel in Shenzhen? My parents and I all speak fluent Mandarin therefore languange will not be a problem. I will call the Van service from the U.S. before we leave to let them know what time and where to meet us. If the price is $150rmb/person to our hotel then it would be pretty good (will call to confirm). Would rather have the van go directly to our hotel rather than some of the service that will drop you off at the crossing and then you will have to fight all the cabs at the Shenzhen side who will then take you to your hotel. Sorry for trying to all the details, just want to make sure my parents have a very good trip into Shenzhen. Thanks again for all your help.

Now if I can just get someone who know where we can get 2 apartments in the Lo Wu area since I don't really want to stay in the same apartment with my parents :-)

OldAsiaHand

02-21-05, 07:28

Csun213,

I just sent you by PM, contact numbers for a reliable guy that will meet you and take you to SZ for 700HK$. If HK is the same as SZ, the $150 guys will wait for 5-6 pax before they depart.

I, like Weelock, also posted info about new service apts in Shenzhen a few months back. They start at around US$48/night. Info in my PM

OAH

OldAsiaHand

02-21-05, 07:36

OldAsiaHand

02-21-05, 12:43

After 2 longweeks hung up with family stuff over CNY and no action, I pulled into Shenzhen. Headed off to Sha Tsui and followed the first mama I encountered for a line-up. Picked a cute, bubbly girl in a pink top and mini-skirt. Had told mama, only those with big tits and excellent oral skills would be accepted. This is what I like about Sha Tsui. There is enough talent around that you can be very specific and get what you want. The oral skills were very good, however, the FS action, although very accomodating was a bit mechanical. After 2 weeks, I could not hold my wad very long and unloaded in her pretty quickly anyway.

Met a buddy at one of the saunas on the main drag there. I do not recommend the place. The foot massage was below par. Not enough strength in the hands. For the massage, I insisted on a girl that could actually massage. The last time I was there, after 5 minutes massage, the girl started with an offer of HJ for 100RMB. Pricey when you consider FS across the street for 150RMB. I ended up screwing her for 200RMB, but never did get a massage. She was in a rush with FS as if she was worried we might get caught doing it. I still have not been able to find a sauna in Shenzhen where you can actually get a good massage, followed by good FS.

This time I did manage to get about an hour of massage before the offer. Actually, the offer came after 30 minutes, but I told her to wait. She gave me another 30 minutes before starting again; 100RMB HJ. This girl wanted 500RMB for FS even though my buddy got FS from his girl in the room next door for 200RMB. After she could see we could not agree, her service level diminished to zero. She even tried to short me on the time, but at that point there was no use to stay anyway.

Back on the street and another line-up. By this time, 11:00pm, the quality was not so great. Passed. Found a couple of SW near the hotel and agreed on 200RMB package for the two. Lost one somehow on the way back to the hotel, and was about to forget about it, but I took the other up to the room. She was only around a 5-6, but the service was fantastic; BBBJ + FS + BBBJCIMWS. When we were finished, she demanded 200RMB for herself. I hate to get into these no-win situations. I had to give her more money to leave and ended up throwing her out. Sad ending after the great service. I don't mind giving some extra for exceptional service but when I get that demanding attitude, it really turns off my generousity.

OAH

Moody

02-22-05, 00:31

CSun,

At the A9 counter at the airport, the 150HKD is to Huanggang border. I am certain they will take you to other destinations. I get off at Huanggang because I'm usually met by someone. I'm not sure of the price to other destinations, but I'm sure it will vary depending upon distance. As for customs, going through HK customs, you stay in the minivan, no need to drag your luggage around. I'm also pretty sure you can stay in the van to go through China customs because I've seen guys remain in the van after I've gotten off at Huanggang.

Dave_Far

02-22-05, 06:35

Where exactly is Sha Tsui? That's not near Jusco is it?

CC1024

02-22-05, 10:01

have to get out of the van and cross Chinese boarder, just crossed yesturday.. maybe in a week or two, it will go back to nomal

CC1024

CC1024

02-22-05, 10:03

Hey OldAsianHand,

I thought Sha Tsui was the place where you guys were followed by the police? Has it changed? I have seen Chinese board talking about this area, but at lower price.

CC1024

OldAsiaHand

02-22-05, 12:38

CC1024,

You have a very good memory. I and some mongering buddies have been run out of the area more than once including one time only a few months ago, but it is the exception, rather than the rule. You can't really say police, they were just Bao An. I just cannot stay away from the quantity and quality of the talent there and keep going back for it. Having said that, I have been doing less parading around and getting right down to business when I arrive. IMHO, it doesn't get any better than that place in Shenzhen for the money. BTW, what prices were talked about on the Chinese board? There is another area just next to Sha Tsui that is reputed to be cheaper.

OAH

Hey OldAsianHand,

I thought Sha Tsui was the place where you guys were followed by the police? Has it changed? I have seen Chinese board talking about this area, but at lower price.

CC1024

Tequila Kid

02-23-05, 17:04

Guys,

Can anyone recommend a good place to get T bone steak in Shenzhen?

btw - A good chinese resturant in Shenzhen is Luarel in the OCT (overseas chinese town) club house. Reservations recommended. Prices higher than other venues, but atmosphere is very nice, quiet. My girlfriend took me there a while back (she paid).

RasSpewtin

02-25-05, 06:24

Elegante Rei:

I learned to develop a taste for Chinese food long before I started to travel to SZ, but many of my colleagues still insist on going out for Italian, American, or what have you.

My experience has been that western style food such as steak or spaghetti is half-assed at best in SZ, even in the 5-star hotels. If you go to the so-called "best" western restaurants in SZ, the western food still sucks.

Sorry if this does not answer your question, but I really think that if you are to get a craving for a really good steak, the closest place that you will get it is in Hong Kong. And that is only based on some hearsay on my part, because I eat Chinese food when I am in HK, too.

Raz

Moody

02-25-05, 06:54

Well Raz, HK does have a Ruth's Chris in both Tsimshatsui and Central. They have some of the best porterhouse you can find this side of Peter Luger.

EDIT: They have 2 in Hong Kong. Addresses are as follows:

Ruth's Chris Steak House
Shops 2 & 3 Ground Floor, Lippo Centre
89 Queensway
Hong Kong

Ruth's Chris Steak House
G/F, Empire Center
68 Mody Road, Tsimshatsui East,
Kowloon

Anyway, I've yet to find a decent steak place in Shenzhen. It's not for a lack of trying though, believe me. I've tried at least a half dozen and they all suck big time. The most edible out of the lot though, is the semi-French restaurant at Carianna Plaza. If you have a addiction to A-1 sauce, like a friend of mine, you better bring your own.

As for Laurel, it's a chain restaurant. You can find it at the train station, the Century Plaza Hotel, and the Cyber Park in Futian, in addition to the one in OCT. They make a pretty decent Peking duck. Best Cantonese food in the city though, is at "The Prince Restaurant," also called "Taizi Fandian." If you like abalone, The Prince is the place to go.

The first thing any self respecting westerner (perhaps only Americans) should do is buy a coffeemaker and a thermos and carry your own brew. Chinese coffee is nasty so go to Starbucks or Illy.

Super Tim

02-25-05, 16:36

I have a friend coming from the US in 2 weeks and I want to show him around Shenzhen. I've always had the gf with me when there so never had the chance play.

I've been to SZ several times but only had one really good masage. I have a few questions.

1. Where to start. Where are the good clubs and best lookers?
2. Where is a place to get a really good massage? Does this place have alcohol and offer all the extras?
3. A good western food place nearby?

Is SZ a better choice than Guangzhou?

Any advice would be great!!

Prince Leo

02-25-05, 18:23

The coffee and beef in China, almost regardless where in this country, are very different from the ones I am, or most folks on this forum are, used to. Even Starbucks tasted kind of off for me. Maybe it is the water. As for the beef, the texture of the meat is less beefy, the outlook of the beef is not as red, or fleshy, as American or other Western culture beef. The reason being that the cattles used for food is different from the ones used by the Western world. Some places say they import the steaks from the US, but most of them actually do not. In China, I almost eat exclusively Chinese food. To me, China is the best place to eat Chinese, food or otherwise.

ManonsanBoy

02-25-05, 22:19

Dear fellow mongers

About 12 months ago, I posted my plans for a world mongering trip. Since my last post (after Europe), I have gone to Mexico, Cuba, Columbia, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, New Zealand Australia and Philippines.

I am back where I started in HK/Shenzhen. I am around 70,000 USD poorer. I have banged 245 women (no viagra needed), mugged once (in Cuba) and scamed at least 10 times. I lost my golf bag in South America. I have more than 100 email addresses of people I met on my trip, including 5 freebies.

Maybe I was shagged out by then but the above places are not as monger friendly as Shenzhen. Women, especially in Australia & NZ are too old for their trade. Brazilians are very physical (I was literally given a physical once over in Rio when I could not come because of tiredness but the girls refused to stop).

Most memorable events: a double penetration in Cuba (I nodded to the arrangement but did not understand what was offered and when I walked in, there was a naked young couple), 3 girls together in Thailand.

Relationship between price and quality is there but the cheapest pussy for the quality is in China and Thailand.

Next stop: I am going to Bali for a little rest, golfing and a bit of reading. I am also looking for a nice young thing (say 20) to keep house and shag casually.

Moody

02-25-05, 23:41

1. Where to start. Where are the good clubs and best lookers?

Class Club is pretty nice. It's in the Century Plaza Hotel.

2. Where is a place to get a really good massage? Does this place have alcohol and offer all the extras?

Best massages are at the following:
1) Carnival Club
2) Lido Hotel
3) Century Plaza Hotel

No extras, just massage. If you want massage with extras, your best bet is to go to Dongguan.

3. A good western food place nearby?

No good western food in the entire city. There is a pretty decent Korean place though, across Shennan Lu from Shanghai Bingguan. It's called Arirang.

Is SZ a better choice than Guangzhou?

Shenzhen is definately better than Guangzhou.

Moody

02-25-05, 23:44

Manonsanboy,

Sounds like you had a very interesting year! One day, I'd like to do the same thing you just got done doing. I hope the world doesn't change too much by then.

Tequila Kid

02-26-05, 02:39

Raz, Moody and the rest,

I agree, when in China I almost exclusivley eat Chinese. (But my girlfriend asked for T bone steak.)

In fact, I now drink very little coffee. Its cha at meals and diet coke in the afternoon for the caffein.

I did think about Hong Kong. So I will try.

Thanks everyone for the comments,

ER

Super Tim

02-26-05, 03:33

Moody: Thanks for the help with Shenzhen!

Monsoonboy: Next time you go on tour, can I go too!!!! I'd like to hear the great details of your Monger Polo travels!

Thanks!

OldAsiaHand

02-26-05, 03:42

I must agree with the consensus of opinion thus far. There is not a great steak to be found in SZ, or all of Guangdong for that matter. The closest would be Henry J Beans in the Shangri-La hotel, but I do not remember if they have a T-Bone on the menu. Hard Rock before they shut did a reasonable job. They are still in business in Shanghai and Beijing. These cities offer much better options for authentic Western food.

OAH

ManonsanBoy

02-26-05, 11:33

Manonsanboy,

Sounds like you had a very interesting year! One day, I'd like to do the same thing you just got done doing. I hope the world doesn't change too much by then.

Moody

I am glad I did it. I sort of lost interest in New Zealand and Australia but kept going, as it were.

When I landed in HK, I "retired" for 4 weeks. The forum was down for a while. I had a battery of tests in Australia and as far as they can tell, I am OK. All those condoms was worth it.

GFE? China and Cuba.

Most beautiful woman I had? China

Greatest hag: Australia

Cheapest: Cuba

Dearest: Australia

Lilojo

02-26-05, 14:08

The steaks in the authentic steak houses are aged in a temperature controlled enclosure.

The Chinese do not like tough meat and even well aged steaks are considered tough. So the steaks in China, Hong Kong restaurants (not the real steak houses like Ruth Chris) and even in China Towns in North America are marinated with a meat tenderizer until it is mushy and tasteless. It is similar to what is done to stir fried sliced beef. Then a thick sauce is often slathered over the steak to give some of the flavor back.

Another problem is that not every place has a BBQ grill. So it may be just pan fried.

I do not eat steaks in China/HK except in recognized restaurant chains.

Acuraman

02-26-05, 20:47

I'll be going to Shenzhen as well as Dongguan at about mid May to stay about 2 weeks. I'm from Canada and speaks Cantonese and Mandarin. I will not be stopping in Hong Kong. Can someone tell me that whether I can use atm cards to withdraw money from the banks in China. Also, I have read that even banks will give out counterfeit money.

Any expert opinion will be greatly appreciated.

Moody

02-26-05, 21:25

Acuraman,

ATMs that work with foreign cards do exist, they're very rare, but they do exist. In Shenzhen, there's one in the HSBC in the Century Plaza Hotel. At the SEG branch of BOC, they have one. There's also a small HSBC at SEG that also takes foreign ATM cards. At JUSCO near the Japanese noodle place there's also a BOC ATM. In Dongguan, some of the hotels have it. The BOC branch in Houjie does not and I haven't been to any other banks in Dongguan so I'm not sure how many banks will have them. The usual maximum per withdraw is 2500-3000RMB.

As for counterfeit currency, I've yet to get one from a bank. My girlfriend though says she got one from a bank in Haerbin. If you use the HSBC ATMs, they only give you brand new currency, so I haven't really been concerned about it.

LoveAsia

02-27-05, 07:22

Lots of chatter these days. Glad to see we can access the board again.

To address some of the questions here:

Most massage places have extras...probably no more than a HJ. You need to go to the VIP room in most cases.

Steak and western food

The food in Shekou (Seaworld) has very good pasta, thai food and a new Russian place will be or has already opened. Also, there is a Japanse Hibachi that has excellent steak as compared to other places in SZ.

Coutnerfeit Money

I was in Bank of China last week and was given a bogus 100RMB note. I will go fight with them tomorrow. Most western ATM cards will work in the Bank of China ATM machines in Shenzhen.

Coffee

You can buy your own beans in MixC shoppingmall from the basement supermarket. They have a fair amount of western food products too. The beans were pretty good.

Lustforthrust

02-27-05, 17:28

SE Asia Joe

02-28-05, 09:26

I had a pimple-faced ho at my regular joint today. She was plump and had a very heavy ass (not yet baggy). I'd she was in her early 20s. The pussy lips were more black than pink - she mustta been at it for a while. She sucked pretty good, but was put off by three/four long (2 inches) hair sticking outta her breasts. She was very hairy down there too. Lots of flesh and very soft inner thighs and all.Not trying to flame you, but why would you want to post such a report - it had obviously NOT been a pleasant experience that you would want to experience again NOR would it be an experience that anybody else would pay money for.

On top of that, you did not even mention any of the pertinent details - at least if one were to want to avoid this gal.

What's the point?

Moody

03-01-05, 06:12

I think that most of us, if we were to see this girl, would RUN the other way. ;)

In April, a friend of mine is going to join me in Shenzhen. I think that would be a fine time to try out some new KTVs. There seems to be a fairly large one near where I live, Fuqiang Lu in Futian, but I haven't given it a try yet. I'll check it out on my next trip.

On top of that, you did not even mention any of the pertinent details - at least if one were to want to avoid this gal.

OldAsiaHand

03-01-05, 11:53

ManonsanBoy,

Welcome back! I am so green with envy. Bravo!

OAH

Moody

03-03-05, 02:43

Wow... Shenzhen's must be pretty quiet this time of year. Either that or it looks like Jackson's server problems have chased everyone away. :(

Moody

03-04-05, 03:55

Does anyone know if it's possible again to get the 5 day Shenzhen visa at the Luohu border with a US passport?

OldAsiaHand

03-04-05, 08:30

A friend moved to Shekou so I swung by and we paid a 2nd visit to the shops up the road from the McDonalds. I didn't check the the name of the street, but you just go straight up 1-2 km from downtown Shekou starting with the McDonalds on your right side. I ended up with a girl from the same shop that Soulman took one from on our last visit. The girls in this shop were very aggressive, literally dragging us into the cubicles in the back (no rooms available offsite evidently). She had a nice rack so I did not resist too much. Negotiated to 150 RMB standard price after she started at US$60. Must be a lot of expat mongers paying in US$ in the area since we found most shops quoting in US$, but at a more reasonable 25US$ or 200 RMB.

Before we undressed, no shower available, I noticed the girl pull a condom out of her pocket. I had confirmed BJ was available, but had not confirmed BBBJ so I asked. She agreed. After I am completely undressed, she refuses. Gives me a lengthy line of bullshit about the VD risk and that her CBJ is better than most other BBBJ. Wants me to try it first with a money back guarantee and keeps telling ME how great it feels as she is sucking me. It was just as poor as any CBJ is. I am beginning to lose my interest.

Enough of this, she rides me cowgirl, I flip her back and do her missionary, followed by doggy when she trys to put me at an angle to avoid full penetration and complains about the size (I am not even really that big). Overall, pretty mechanical FS with fake moaning. Pulled out, removed the rubber and did her Russian and finished with a facial she will not forget. She bitches constantly about the facial as we get dressed. Overall, below average service.

IMHO, there is no comparison to Sha Tsui when it comes to quality and value for money. I almost always get good service. Everything else in SZ is at a notch below.

OAH

Moody

03-06-05, 07:20

OAH,

Did the girl go good on her money back guarantee? ;)

OldAsiaHand

03-06-05, 07:38

OAH,

Did the girl go good on her money back guarantee? ;)

moody,

You must be kidding!!!! LOL. I didn't even bother to ask.

OAH

Moody

03-08-05, 03:31

moody,

You must be kidding!!!! LOL. I didn't even bother to ask.

OAH

You should have asked, just to see what she would do. ;)

Member #1210

03-08-05, 04:57

I am coming to Shekou in April. Any info. on cheap hotels which are girl friendly?

Appreciate your help.

Thanks Bro.

TangZhen

03-09-05, 07:55

On a recent trip to Jusco area for a nooner, I was giving the area the once over and fully intended to go to my regular shop. I was a couple of meters from the shop when I noticed a real hottie in the shop next door. She looked my way and asked "massage?", this was close to a no brainer, as she had a very nice face, good height and a killer shape. I checked the price, 50 tai fei, 100 fu fei, and I agreed. The room as a mess and a bit of a bother getting the room, but once in, her figure did not disappoint. Service was good, though not really GFE. I was surprised though at how clueless she was on China culture, namely songs. Normally I have a hard time keeping up because my Chinese is only so-so, but she was really clueless about Chinese music, which was surprisingly a minor downer for me. Dont get me wrong, for 150 to have done a girl that hot is a minor miracle, but it would have been so much better had she a bit more on the ball mentally.

Moose Hunt

03-09-05, 17:54

In a bit of a dilemma. Been on a 2 month quest to find the sauna/mp that offers it all in sz. Tried both the shabby and the industrial scale massage places but no complete mix of health, beauty & pleasure. Tonight I went to a fairly big place near Dong Men which allows you to select the girl on a computer running real-time babe tracking software. The presentation is professional, and they've obviously put some effort into making the girls look their best in the photos. Its kid in a candy store stuff scrolling through page after page of great looking girls. Finally selected Apple and when she came she looked as cute and sexy as on the screen. Even in a respectable room, with more windows than wall, the old hound broke free from his leash. 2 hours of top quality rubbing and giggling later left with her phone no hidden inside my ill-fitting prison outfit.

She said she works 8pm till 6am every day. Other times are difficult for me with work. I guess there's no such thing as a massage parlour fine to take the girl out. She's definitely game, & does great massage. So the only thing I'm thinking is if you become a regular are there vip rooms in these places where you can play a little? Would appreciate any advice

Cheers

MH

Moody

03-10-05, 01:46

MH,

Most likely, they do not have any VIP rooms. Legit massage in China tends to be just that, legit massage. Since she gave you her number, give her a ring. Take her out to dinner to someplace nice, and then a nightclub. From there, it's only a half step to your hotel room.

TZ,

The girl was probably a nongmin fresh of the farm. A few years ago, I had a girl like that. I told her to go home in the morning and about 5 minutes later, she knocked on my hotel door. She didn't know how to use the elevator to get down...

Unknown One

03-11-05, 06:02

Someone posted about hotels in the Shenzhen area I cannot find his post but I will put in my 2 cents worth here. I have been in Shenzhen twice now, and have stayed at the Grand Chu and the Garden View Plaza. Actually Im at the Garden Plaza now.... My vies on the Grand Chu, there is a club on the 3 or 4th floor, or whatever floor it is on, it doesnt matter. The elevator at night ALWAYS stop on that floor, I think the girls standing out there will push it so you at least get a glimpse of the girls and that might make you want something. I have seen some hotties there as well, especially early in the evening when they are wearing this white furry shawl, and exposing some extremely milky white and soft cleavage. I didnt try it though. The Garden View Plaza I think has less action although the 24 massage service here definately offers service, I just dont know if the girls are cute enough. I have run into 2 girls on the elevator who both asked me if I wanted a massage, and when I replied "maybe later" they giggled and said "maybe later at night? I can come to your room, just remember I am number 4 ( the other one was number 8) didnt catch names ) I am pretty sure you can get something from them, they seem the right type. Looks though are not as nice, maybe 4-5. Skills I have no idea. Im currently on a sabbatical from anonymous whoring sex. The Garden View Plaza is located in this building called the Women's & Childrens Center, so its definately cleaner, my calls to my room are screened by the front desk and I have to choose to accept or not every call. So for those who stay here, the late night phone call rush from a cute voice is a no go here. The girls at the club in Grand Chu is generally better. I give 5-7. It comes down to cost though doesnt it guys? I havent stayed at any of the other hotels, sorry, whoever posted asking about all the hotels, this is 2 on your list.

Autumn Lover

03-11-05, 13:39

I'm gonna be in SZ this Tuesday for business, and hope to get the evening away. What was the name of the massage place you went to? Do you know? Can you provide a more specific location?

I presume you managed to get a HJ. Is that so? Massage, slap and tickle and a HJ would suit me down to the ground!

Autumn lover

OldAsiaHand

03-12-05, 06:29

So the only thing I'm thinking is if you become a regular are there vip rooms in these places where you can play a little? Would appreciate any advice

Cheers

MH

Moose Hunt,

Although there are a few places, SZ is not the best place for FS Saunas. You can usually play at the saunas in the Sha Tsui area, however, not all the girls will do it, and those that do are usually worthless at massage. However, it is usually just massage in the better places. I suggest you go to DG where FS is the rule, rather than the exception.

Just my POV.

OAH

ManonsanBoy

03-13-05, 02:25

Yesterday, a previously "clean" friend took me to the Paradise Sauna at the Chong Muk Tow hilltop sengem hotel. After the usual introduction by the mamasam, I chose a slim one from Hubei. The room itself is the best I have ever seen in China. They have a marble slab (heated) and the naked girl wash you from top to bottom, including a good scrub. It takes around 30 minutes. She then washed my hair and throw me into the sauna while she showers.

She asked me about double fly. I was feeling horny so I joked I want a show and I wanted another 2, not really thinking. One phone call later and 4 girls came in for choosing. I could not back down. I chose a tall and a short one. All were 8.

Well, off to the shower again with 3 girls. They did put on a show. In the bed, being stimulated by 3 women (age 18, 19, 22, they say) simultaneously is a new experience for me. I banged all 3 and had 1 pop. Then as I was resting, the short one started a bareback blow job, got me hard again and she then mounted me. Then she seemed to come, got off and another mounted me. I had my second pop and was exhausted. That was not the end. The third one then sat on my face and insisted on a bit of oral. I obliged.

They all giggled and complimented me and played with my dick. Then shower and dressed. Very enjoyable. 500 each and 300 for the room. Expensive but an experience.

I went to a pai gau game (with introduction) and walked out with 10,000 RMB. Back at the hotel, a discrete phone call and a 4th lady came up for inspection (8). She gave me a massage but I was too tired to bang her. I did her this morning. She offered anal (very rare in China but wanted 1500. I offered 1000 and she accepted. I have one very tired dick this am.

Mongering does not get better than this.

Moody

03-13-05, 03:41

Manonsanboy,

Chong Muk Tow hilltop sengem hotel? I don't think I'm familiar with that hotel. Where is it at?

LoveAsia

03-13-05, 14:17

Manonsanboy,

Chong Muk Tow hilltop sengem hotel? I don't think I'm familiar with that hotel. Where is it at?

I was curious too. It is in donguan 45 minutes from SZ airport. The link below will give you more information.

http://www.orientaltravel.com/hotel/city/det_Hotel_Good_View_Sangem_Dongguan.htm

Unknown One

03-13-05, 17:27

I'm going to have to take a trip out there. Personally if the girl is that good, a bit more is always worth it. I just rarely run into a worth it girl. Most of them are always rushing and rushing...tsk tsk tsk. The good ones never last working. Probably some schmuck proposed and off she goes.

Ok on a second note, I want to fill in on the Garden View Plaza hotel. The 10th floor massage parlor has a couple of cuties. Fairly tall, 5'6-5'7 ones. Probably 6, one maybe 7. The prices are unfortunately a bit much. I got this from insider info during a proper massage mind you from a licensed masseuse working there. The feet bath was nice too. So the house ( I guess that means the massage parlor ) gets between 150-200. Plus the girl requires at least that much if not more. This is up to your negotiation and linguistic skills. My sources tell me the minimum price for a girl called up to your room is 400-500. Again for the dude that was interested in hotel girls, here is some more info.

Moody

03-13-05, 19:14

Dammit, I should have figured out he meant Zhangmutou...

OldAsiaHand

03-14-05, 06:21

Dammit, I should have figured out he meant Zhangmutou...

Moody,

You better brush up on your Cantonese language skills, my friend. I'm surprised as much time as you spend in Guangdong Province.

What do they call that place? "Hong Kong second wife village" or something? A bit out of the way for me, but sounds like that sauna is worth a visit. Let's try it when you come over next.

OAH

Csun213

03-14-05, 22:26

Hi, sorry to bother everyone again but does anyone know a sports bar in Shenzhen where you can go and see the live F-1 race on Star TV? I know that they do broadcast live F-1 in some places. I would like to find a place that will broadcast the live F-1 race in English and not the Chinese guys who do not know what they are talking about. Thanks

ManonsanBoy

03-15-05, 11:58

There is a nice bar at Shangrila with the requirements................about 50 % of the patronage is western

Moose Hunt

03-15-05, 14:13

Autumn Lover

Not logged in for a few days - so just in case your evening's not started yet here are the directions to the place I mentioned. Not remembering the names of any street or landmarks may make it a bit tricky to follow - but here goes. If on the way you don't get approached for trade for more than 10 seconds you've taken the wrong turn - follow the mamasan trail...

Starting with Shangri-La on rhs & Lo Hu station behind as a point of reference. Go up the road a short distance and turn right (big hotel on RHS - should remember name but don't) - go along short road with lots of barber shops on left. This takes you to a big road. At corner turn left and continue along road for a while. Lots of small dingy side streets on lhs. Footpath opens out - hotel on lhs offers good massage and hj - but not too clean. Cross main road at junction and keep going (ie perpendicular to previous road, and around the left side of new shopping mall). This takes you to junction with a big hotel on either side (Hilton? & the first 5* with fountain in front). At junction cross road & keep going in same direction. Either this street or the next has lots of outside food places. On LHS half-way down there is a slightly misleading neon sign of a girl doing reverse cowboy with a guy on a beach. Bingo!

The dimly lit streets beyond appear to be teeming with action. I suspect this is mongering central referred to on previous posts. But be warned the massage place itself is fully legit - despite my noble and tireless efforts to the contrary.

Thanks OAH & Moody for your comments. I can't find Sha Tsui on my map if you wouldn't mind helping me out.

Cheers

MH

Moose Hunt

03-15-05, 14:15

Autumn Lover,

Not logged in for a few days - so just in case your evening's not started yet here are the directions to the place I mentioned. Not remembering the names of any street or landmarks may make it a bit tricky to follow - but here goes. If on the way you don't get approached for trade for more than 100 metres you've taken the wrong turn - follow the mamasan trail.

Starting with Shangri-La on rhs & Lo Hu station behind as a point of reference. Go up the road a short distance and turn right (big hotel on RHS - should remember name but don't) - go along short road with lots of barber shops on left. This takes you to a big road. At corner turn left and continue along road for a while. Lots of small dingy side streets on lhs. Footpath opens out - hotel on lhs offers good massage and HJ - but not too clean. Cross main road at junction and keep going (ie perpendicular to previous road, and around the left side of new shopping mall). This takes you to junction with a big hotel on either side (Hilton? & the first 5* with fountain in front). At junction cross road & keep going in same direction. Either this street or the next has lots of outside food places. On LHS half-way down there is a slightly misleading neon sign of a girl doing reverse cowboy with a guy on a beach. Bingo!

The dimly lit streets beyond appear to be teeming with action. I suspect this is mongering central referred to on previous posts. But be warned the massage place itself is fully legit - despite my noble and tireless efforts to the contrary.

Thanks OAH & Moody for your comments. I can't find Sha Tsui on my map if you wouldn't mind helping me me out.

Cheers

MH

Csun213

03-16-05, 04:34

There is a nice bar at Shangrila with the requirements................about 50 % of the patronage is western

Is this the 5 star hotel that is in front of the train station? Thanks

ManonsanBoy

03-16-05, 11:15

Is this the 5 star hotel that is in front of the train station? Thanks

Yes it is. On the first floor is an American style bar. It has a big screen and the staff are very friendly. It is a little expensive.....................

OldAsiaHand

03-16-05, 16:24

Moose Hunt:

Just hop in any taxi and tell the driver. They all know the place.

OAH

Big Mao

03-16-05, 20:09

OAH, hi,

How much taxi will cost from Lo Wu to Sha Tsui? I heard one can pick up pretty nice looking girls there for 600yuan overnight deals. Is that true? Any recommendations? I may go up this weekend. Thanks a lot.

Moose Hunt:

Just hop in any taxi and tell the driver. They all know the place.

OAH

RasSpewtin

03-17-05, 21:49

This week ended my most ambitious tour to date.

Landed in Hong Kong on Saturday night and had a triple-header with my Filipina sweety overnight.

Hopped the ferry to Shekou Sunday morning, and spent all of Sunday with my new gf from Dong Bei, who treated me to a hot bath complete with flowers and candles (followed by lots of the good stuff).

Monday morning, I caught the noon flight to Bangkok, where I had a Soi 7 Beergarden girl in the afternoon and a welcome girl from the Angel Witch at NEP in the evening. Even got to participate in the stage show at the Angel Witch! What a hoot.

Tuesday morning I took a cab to Pattaya and spent 4 days there, and then back to BKK for three more days.

Flew back home through Tokyo, where some real cute young girls got on the plane. I saw this pretty Tokyo cutie smiling at me, so I walked over and gave her some ice cream. She made it clear that she was available upon landing, but I could not pursue that option on my home turf.

Am now recovering after my holiday. Whew.

OAH, I hate to rub it in, but you really should have joined me for the LOS stretch of the trip. Had some very memorable nights out prowling with some pals from the Yellow Board, where I see that you are also posting occasionally now.

Raz

SE Asia Joe

03-18-05, 04:37

RasSpewtin,

Pls advise what is the yellow board? Is this similar to WSJ - which is still so slow these days that its some times frustrating.

Anyway, pls advise.

Thanks,

SE Asia Joe

Weelock

03-18-05, 08:49

How much taxi will cost from Lo Wu to Sha Tsui? I heard one can pick up pretty nice looking girls there for 600yuan overnight deals. Is that true? Any recommendations? I may go up this weekend.

To Member #2081 and Moose Hunt,

The cost from Lo Wu Station is around $50-60RMB. Sha Tsui is way across town, past Futian and Window of the World, around Chinese Oversea Town. Someone posted two maps of Sha Tsui and had better directions. Suggest reading some of the older postings for info on Sha Tsui and doing a search on wsgforum. Don’t forget to click on “postings” instead of “threads”. I found out the hard way for 4 months. About a year ago before the upgrade, the search engine was great. I was using it constantly. But after the upgrade, the search engine is NOT returning as many hits. It’s currently returning about 40% the correct amount. It might be me since I still learning how to use it.

IMHO:

Pros of Sha Tsui:

Best value in terms quality and quantity in Southern China. $150-200 ST and 500-600 LT RMB. I think there are over 800 girls, from the saunas, and small shops. It’s far better than BBS shops in Jusco and Wal-Mart Futian Area of Shenzhen.

Cons:

What I read, lots of raids. A HK policeman was arrested and detained for a few days. Lots of muggings, strong-arm robberies and a few murders. Was suggested on the board NOT to go along at night. If you are NON-ASIAN, a waste of time since the local security guards will follow you around. You will be noticed almost immediately. The security guards will NOT give you any trouble but will scare off the girls if they see any with you. In Jusco and Wal-Mart Areas, it’s the other way around. Most momasans and papasans will immediately try to get your attention if you are NON-ASIAN. There also no problem with the security guards.

Weelock

OldAsiaHand

03-18-05, 10:25

OAH, hi,

How much taxi will cost from Lo Wu to Sha Tsui? I heard one can pick up pretty nice looking girls there for 600yuan overnight deals. Is that true? Any recommendations? I may go up this weekend. Thanks a lot.

Member #2081,

I am not sure exactly, but should not be more than 40 RMB max. Depending on the time you arrive, LT pricing should only be around 400RMB. You can negotiate with the mamasans.

Happy Hunting!

OAH

Moose Hunt

03-18-05, 10:29

Moose Hunt:

Just hop in any taxi and tell the driver. They all know the place.

OAHCheers Weelock & OAH for the steers.

Tried to find this place last night. Taxi driver was the exception to the rule - nice chap but not a clue about Sha Tsui. After a few way off alternatives he suggested ShangSha - which at 3 am sounded pretty close.

Hair raising trip due to some workers washing Binhe Avenue!? (it needed doing though) Veritable oasis of saunas, streets and streets of them, and still pretty busy when I left at around 5 am. Prowled in taxi to select a place - chose one simply due to the skimpy get up the girls had to wear. Lovely looking girls all the way up the stairs. Happily they found one that wasn't for me. Yunnan girl, with a quite nice body but looks & service poor. Room was very good - all clean and poshly dec'd out - almost 4*. It was the vip room as it turned out - cost 198 for room and massage with an extra 100 for the lacklustre performance of the girl. I saw the simpler rooms were 80 on the way out, and they also looked ok.

Not seen this place mentioned but this may be down to Weelock's point about the search facility.

Felt place was safe & welcoming. Will explore it more over the next few weeks. Unless, of course, wiser minds here think it is better to keep away.

Cheers

MH

RasSpewtin

03-18-05, 18:09

SE Asia Joe:
Check your PM inbox regarding the url for the Yellow Board.

Regarding Sha Tsui:
Guys keep saying how great Sha Tsui is for the girls, but I am skeptical. As a white guy, I have been there 2 times and walked out with frustrated blue balls on both occasions. The first time, I was confronted by LE. The second time, there was a clamp down so all of the girls were in hiding. Not sure if the thrills are worth the risk.

Raz

Bob Builder

03-19-05, 04:54

I sugguest if any non-Chinese mongers to got there with someone of Chinese extraction and maybe try a KTV there instead of prowling the streets as you stand out too much. The cost RMB150 for drinks and food and RMB350 for one shot including the time in the KTV. Just sitting with the girl will cost $200 so for another RMB150 you get a room and a shot. Also in the KTV the mama will usually bring in girls 20+ at a time. What would be more relaxing, sitting downing brews having girls brought to you or prowling the streets followed by the Bo An. You can also have a group groping session. Girls can also be changed at no cost if you sit with them under 10 minutes.

For mongers wanting overnight action, I have found hotter looking girls reluctant to go out overnight on Saturday nights as they can make a lot more sitting tables or going out for multiple single shots on the busiest day of the week.

Another location is the Sui Wai part of Futian, where the bars will bring in girls for you and they have rooms upstair which are normally cleaner that BBS. This is where a lot of mongers shifted the action to due to change in attitude of the LE in Sha Tsui.

Just a friendly word of advice, if the LE or anyone tells you to go, just do it and don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) anyone off there even if they aren't wearing a uniform. I know a fellow monger who pissed someone off there and it cost him RMB25,000 to get off, else he would have been detained for 15 days like the HK cop.

Happy and safe mongering!

LoveAsia

03-19-05, 10:50

Was in Shekou today and was looking for a massage place. I had recalled seeing a sign for one near Seaworld. There is a highrise building on the same side of the street as Seaworld which has a Bank of China on the ground floor. If you go past the Bank of China and go into the main building to the 2nd floor, they have an OK massage place. I think a little expensive for what you get but if you want a good massage with a HJ...cost...288RMB for 2 hours and 200 tip for service. Private room, shower...clean. When I got there place was empty. Girl I had gave good massage...chatted too much but good attitude. When I left I saw there were alot cuter girls than the one I had working there. I suggest early afternoon for those interested.

LA

Lustforthrust

03-19-05, 11:09

Added 2 mamasans to my short list of two. Dumped one 2-year relationship (mamasan was getting a bit lax - so its hardball).

The 1st one is inside a Hotel close to Shangrila. Very friendly mamasan who quite readily accepted my 100 kuai offer.
The ho was thinny thin thin (not my thing), but did her to develop guan_xi. She sucked very fast in an attempt to get it over with quick,fast in a hurry. Rushed job and was expecting sho-fay. Hehe, try getting blood from stone, beeyatch.

The 2nd mamasan has been inviting me for over a year now and have always refused. Very amenable person and has a very nice place (nice furniture, clean bathroom, large beds). 100 kuai for her and the girls were very young.

All in all a very good experience after Friday's HK7s game (demented sheep fly in from all over the Asia Pacific to party once every year, since 1976, gawd!).

Csun213

03-19-05, 21:31

Hi, I have a Motorola phone that is on Cellular one service, does anyone know whether this phone will accept the Chinese SIM card? I know that Cingular phone will accept the Chinese Sim Card. If it does not, can someone tell me where to go to have the phone unlocked? Also how much would it cost? Thanks

Moody

03-19-05, 23:35

What phone model do you have? Some Motos can be unlocked by code.

Hi, I have a Motorola phone that is on Cellular one service, does anyone know whether this phone will accept the Chinese SIM card? I know that Cingular phone will accept the Chinese Sim Card. If it does not, can someone tell me where to go to have the phone unlocked? Also how much would it cost? Thanks

OldAsiaHand

03-20-05, 00:31

Although I have had my share of Bao An encounters too, it has been cool the past 4-5 times I've been in the area. The price/quality/selection ratio is just too hard for me to resist. Having said that, at the first sign of being followed around, I will just split. If you are non-Chinese, best just to go in, see a line-up, do the deed and exit the area. Unfortunately, I do not always practice what I breach. I really enjoy going up and down the alleys joking with all the girls until I find one I fancy.

OAH

Csun213

03-20-05, 05:25

What phone model do you have? Some Motos can be unlocked by code.

I have a Motorola V180. The phone company wants $25 to unlock it. I hope it will be cheaper in China however since all the phones sold in China are unlocked, just wondering if they know how to do it.

Dutchman

03-20-05, 13:44

I was curious too. It is in donguan 45 minutes from SZ airport. The link below will give you more information.

http://www.orientaltravel.com/hotel/city/det_Hotel_Good_View_Sangem_Dongguan.htm

Show the taxi driver this pic. I highly recommened this hotel. Every girls in this hotel are negosiable. I tried to flirt the waitress. She is 18 years young girl who came from farm. Besides the shouting of the clients and boss. They get to work hard 12 hours a day for miserable 500~600 rmb a month. They left their families behind to come work in city. It is very easy to conquer their lonely hearts. They speak 0 english. Chinese is the only way to cummunicate.

Every female is a possible target, the trick is how you communicate.

Dutchman

Douglas23

03-21-05, 02:26

first off, thnaks to aoh, cronin, and the many others who made my trip to china in october of '04 such a blast. i am finally a "regular member" and though memory is spotty, wil do unto others and post as much as i can remember.

went to jusco sidestreet just kitty corner from 7-11, in search of the bbs offering "fishbowl" it was well described by others but alas - both places near the dentist has waterfalls adn had reddish interiors. long story short , i should have known it was no fishbowl when i saw the dozen or so young ladies eating their lunch in a small room, but i pressed ahead - and of course the place was a legit massage house and i left anout 300 rmb lighter for a shitty handjob from a cutie who i hungered for. just to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) myself off, i went two doors down fo a peek, and of course , through a small window in a door saw a dozen or so at " the spot".

moral of story - trust your instincts, and of course read the posts thoroughly, take some notes and do not trust faulty memory.

d23

Douglas23

03-21-05, 06:34

Brain Damaged

03-22-05, 04:09

I have a Motorola V180. The phone company wants $25 to unlock it. I hope it will be cheaper in China however since all the phones sold in China are unlocked, just wondering if they know how to do it.Hi Csun,

You might buy a used phone (about US$40 give or take) and then purchase a prepaid sim card (US$5 and up). My opinion is that you would be using the monger phone while mongering and want a phone that you don't mind losing or misplacing.

Buying a used phone also saves a lot of hassle with the unlocking stuff.

I bought a new Moto last fall and now use my old Nokia to go mongering (with a separate sim card that is used only for mongering).

Cheers,

BD

OldAsiaHand

03-22-05, 05:15

Not sure if this has been posted (I think it hasn't...), but China Hotel (at least for e during the Trade Fair, is extremely girl unfriendly) has guard posted in lobby and a guard posted in front of elevators. Catwalk, the bar downstairs, had about a dozen prowlers last time I was there, but all wanted to go to their place. Charges around 800 for LT, but looked negotiable, since my girl offered for her and her friend. 6's and 7's, and did not take her up on it since first trip to China and my Mandarin was poor (ok - I was chicken shit...).

D23

D23,

First, you are welcome. I'm glad you enjoyed yourself. Second, you should ask about the China Hotel on the Guangzhou thread. Unfortunately, I have no experience during the trade fair, but other times I stayed there in the past, I had no problem bringing girls in at all hours of the day and night. Normally, almost all 5 star hotels will allow guests before 11:00pm anyway. The girls may ask you to escort them out of the hotel afterwards to avoid harrassment and extortion from security.

The fishbowl place near Jusco is directly across the street from the easternmost exit from Jusco at the back. There is a big red and blue neon sign above the entrance. They may not let you look into the fishbowl unless you insist. FS is likely, but not guaranteed.

OAH

Csun213

03-22-05, 18:28

Fran123

03-23-05, 03:33

Hi Csun,

You might buy a used phone (about US$40 give or take) and then purchase a prepaid sim card (US$5 and up). My opinion is that you would be using the monger phone while mongering and want a phone that you don't mind losing or misplacing.

Buying a used phone also saves a lot of hassle with the unlocking stuff.
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BDAfter buying a used phone, can you use it in the USA like with USA perpaid sim cards. I would like to buy a used phone also but what am I going to do with it afterwards. Are the China phones tri band or quad band? The current phone I have is a older model that CANNOT accept sim cards. My AT&T contract is up at the end of this year. Was think about getting a Chinese phone and then switching it to AT&T when my contract is up.

Fran

Brain Damaged

03-23-05, 06:08

After buying a used phone, can you use it in the USA like with USA perpaid sim cards. I would like to buy a used phone also but what am I going to do with it afterwards. Are the China phones tri band or quad band? The current phone I have is a older model that CANNOT accept sim cards. My AT&T contract is up at the end of this year. Was think about getting a Chinese phone and then switching it to AT&T when my contract is up.

FranHi Fran,

All types of phones are available in China with the used market reflecting the prices and availability of any other commodity (e.g., computers, gals, etc.); viz., you can get anything you want as long as you are willing to pay for it.

They have used dual/tri/quad phones, priced according to age and popularity of the model.

My opinion is that the criteria for my mongering phone is that it is cheap (read disposable) and usable where I want to monger.

I used to carry both TDMA and GSM (900/1800) phones for Asia/America communications, but now have a quad Moto (850/900/1800/1900) with service plans in both US (ATT) and Hong Kong (New World). I gave up thinking about the permutations on service plans if you include 3-G, 2.5-G and all the other bells and whistles that go along with them because thinking about that gave me headaches.

I would suggest that you buy a used phone for mongering and get a different phone for your non-mongering. I used to use one phone for mongering and non-mongering and quickly realized that constantly switching SIM cards (and doing the call forward stuff) was a pain in the ass.

Cheers,

BD

Csun213

03-23-05, 08:24

OldAsiaHand

03-25-05, 05:47

After walking the alleys of Sha Tsui yesterday evening around 6:00pm with another Caucasion mongering buddy, we found ourselved being followed by the Bao An. Unable to shake them, we stopped for dinner at one of the local restaurants. After dinner, we slid out the back door of the restaurant and followed a mama to an apartment close-by. Specified our requirement for BBBJCIM. IMHO, the quality level for this service is lower than straight sex, although 20-30 girls did show up. Picked a Hubei 20yo by accident. Service was surprisingly good, especially the BBBJ. She was a bit tight at first, but loosened up for an excellent fit. Multiple positions with a missionary finish.

After leaving the apartment, the Bao An were on our tail again. We stopped to buy some DVDs and they waited outside the shop. For fun, we started to follow them around the area. They did not like this and stopped on one corner trying to figure out what to do about these 2 crazy lao wai. There was a foot massage place on the corner and we went in. 20RMB for 80 minutes. I took two at that price. By the time we were done, the Bao An were gone.

Headed over to the Jusco area for Round 2 around 10:00 pm. Seems like there are less shops open after the sewer renovation project. And, quality was not that great overall. Walked east to the shops across the side street; nothing we fancied. Over to the rack shop area across from the Oriental Regency Hotel. Bao An followed us in that area as well. but not as intimidating. Met a potential freebie or semi-pro (not in a shop) that said she did not want any money. She invited us to her apartment for a beer. We passed and I took her number for future reference. Who knows if it was really a freebie in that area? I did not want to waste my time since she was not worth it if I had to pay.

On the way back, we took 2 girls from a shop between Jusco and the rack shop area. I had a real cutie from Beijing. BBBJ was not so great but the FS was excellent. Great cowgirl riding skills with muscle control inside provided a fantastic finish.

A good night out.

OAH

Tangent

03-25-05, 09:07

I suggest if any non-Chinese mongers to got there with someone of Chinese extraction and maybe try a KTV there instead of prowling the streets as you stand out too much. The cost RMB150 for drinks and food and RMB350 for one shot including the time in the KTV. Just sitting with the girl will cost $200 so for another RMB150 you get a room and a shot.

Those prices seem pretty good to me--but I am not of Chinese extraction. If any guys are up for KTV there some time, give me a PM.

Cheers!

Moody

03-27-05, 00:20

I believe if you buy phones like the Motorola V60g or V180 phones, they will work with any service in the U.S. since China does not lock their phones like the U.S.

Kinda outta luck. V180 requires a cable to unlock. No simple codes. You can probably get it unlocked in China though. If you're in Shenzhen, you can go to the SEG area and someone there should be able to do it.

Moody

03-28-05, 11:05

after buying a used phone, can you use it in the usa like with usa perpaid sim cards. i would like to buy a used phone also but what am i going to do with it afterwards. are the china phones tri band or quad band? the current phone i have is a older model that cannot accept sim cards. my at&t contract is up at the end of this year. was think about getting a chinese phone and then switching it to at&t when my contract is up.

fran

a couple of comments. most chinese phones are dual band 900/1800mhz. these phones will not work in the us. triband phones bought in china are usually limited to 900/1800/1900mhz. cingular, the larger of the two major gsm carriers in the us after the attws buyout, uses 850/1900. t-mobile uses only 1900mhz. if you buy a triband phone in china and use it with t-mobile, it'll be fine. it'll work just as well as a phone you buy from t-mobile. if you go with cingular, you'll miss out on the 850mhz band and your phone will work only when there is a 1900mhz signal. currently, the 1900mhz signal is the more dominant one from cingular. that's expected to change though, in the very near future because the 850mhz ban is the only one they are expanding. they are reserving the bulk of the 1900mhz bandwidth for 3g services like high speed internet.

OldAsiaHand

03-30-05, 16:20

There seems to be more shops open on the road to the south of WalMart. Most of the BBS in the alleys off the road have taken down their spinners so it is difficult to spot them from the main road. There are less shops in these alleys than before.

I was roaming around the alley off Fuqiang Lu that runs parallel past the wet market. There is a row of shops in there that have converted from HJ to FS. One of the lao ban that used to be on the candyland strip opened up in there with his new wife running the girls. Gave him my business for old times sake. A recent arrival with excellent oral skills, but not a great looker. The overall service was 9. The newbies are always enthusiastic and seem to enjoy it more until they have been hardened over time.

Hit my regular sauna (legit) next to the police station across from WalMart. Feet and body; 3 hours, Thai style at 88RMB. Great value.

Back at the hotel, picked up a SW passing through the lobby for a quick BBBJCIM nightcap.

OAH

The Master

03-31-05, 04:30

I haven't seen any one posting anything for this area.

It is actually near Nan You Da Dao, There is a Nan Shan Electroci & computer Market, which is in a tall building, someone called Nan Shan Shai Ge Market.

There is a carpart in front if it, and on the ground floor of that market, you will see BenQ stores,,etc.

The small road getting into the car part, where if you you walk further down there for abour 100 m. you will see several BBS there, they can be quickly idetidied as the FS provider BBS.

Walked into one of the shops, for the purpose testing the water, as BBS was not my regular venue of mongoring, several is there, one girl took me to the back area, where small divided plywood walls sepates us from the others. a small bed... before We start.. I was checking on the price, to my surprise, the girl offer FS with Anal with 200RMB. agreed, and went to a different room, with a bed. I guess, this is where if a FS is happening, otherwise, the small bed is only for HJ.

started to penetrate ANAL, she told me this is her second time, and the first time wasn't really successful, as she afraid pain, this time, it was a full length penetration. Lasted several minutes. She does not take it very well, so we changed to FS. Anyway, worth the money of 200RMB.

Weelock

04-02-05, 04:57

Sorry not familiar with the streets you are talking about. Where is this place, near, Jusco, Futian or LoWu Area. How far from is the nearest subway station or major hotel? Sounds like a new unknown place and interesting. Thanks.....

Lustforthrust

04-02-05, 06:53

went to my new found mamasan the 2nd time in a week. my last experience was fabulous so i picked one that pretty much looked like the last one i had - young, fleshy, supple skin.

once in the bedroom, she strips and her boobies were a pink, gravity-defying handful. i don't much care for large ones. this one was just perfect. she showers and gets down to business. cbj (i never do bbj) and suckle on her breasts. in under a minute, i feel her rushing. huh? intransigence!
"nali ren" i go - knowing what i'm going to hear. i knew it!!!

i said its over. she goes "money". i quickly put on my pants, condom still on my limpbizkiting john. she makes a threatening move. wtf? i haven't indicated to her that i wouldn't pay, not yet anyways!
i take off my shirt (which i never do for *****s - not into them touching my chest!) to:
a) show her what the slightest slap from me would mean to her (she quickly backs down very quickly) and
b) indicate that i'm staying and she's leaving.

mamasan comes in and there's yelling and pacifying and all that jazz. i take a peek at the living room and the 4 *****s had vanished. it was a hk monger who had walked in just after me and took 4 into the adjacent bedroom. mamasan sent the hubei ho to him too. bloody hell! 5 *****s?

i had to wait until mamasan made a few calls and found one for me. this one was the shy and domineering type rolled in one. took a while for me to get her to submit. she musta been early-mid 20s; older than i'm used to.

comes back from the shower. again, the little pushy display of a spoilt ho. insisted on cbj - only way i go beeyatch. i decide to take my shirt off now. putty in hands from that point. i'm loving this shit!
her pussy-lips didn't have the blackish edges - she must have hustled johns with hj or other quickies. i rubbed her pussy for a good 3 minutes. (i can hear the next bedroom door open and use of the shower.) the clit grew and kept growing, kinda scary. she was trembling. i don't give a rat's patooty about stimulating *****s but this one i had plans for. i stuck a finger up her ass, she took the 1st 2 inches without knowing it. my whole left middle finger is in while i'm vigorously rubbing her enlarged clit with my right hand.
it takes a while for her to realize there's a foreign object up her goody-hole. i try this again, this time left thumb (much thicker) - she's wised up and quickly moves out of the way.

i turn her over - on her stomach. the lower torso on a couple of pillows. her upper torso a good 10-12 inches lower. as i'm pumping into her, i stick a finger up her ass, she's kinda trapped can't get away and i'm holding her down with the slightest of pressure with my left palm on her tailbone.
i probe her ass, she's kinda resigned to her fate and it shows. i get the glans penis in and there's this moan (not scream) of fear. i have used a lot of cream into her pussy and her goody-hole and her whole pelvic area. nevertheless, the anal ring is quite a challenge. evolution* at work i guess. going in is relatively easy. but when you pull out, the anal ring kinda obstructs the the end of the glans (dick-head). anyways i gave it 3-4 boom-booms.

back to her pussy, banged away (hear more doors opening and showers - hk monger at it again) with my finger in her ass. felt my dick in her pussy with my finger ass. nice, i have done this many times.

when i'm done, i leave. her eyes told me she was expecting a tip and was sad i wasn't going to. i felt bad for an instant, but these are *****s. if you give them 50 they'll pout. give them 20 also the same pout. that'll make me feel worse. screw it - no tip.

i give the mamasan a red mao (100). all is well!

Lustforthrust

04-02-05, 07:04

Happened in 1989 in Beirut. General Michel Aoun is just about ready to get his ass booted to Paris by the Syrians. It's a dangerous place, but a twenty-something takes all manner of risks for pussy.

I go to this *****joint with my buddy. It's Hezbollah territory, but there are bars, *****s and counterfeit Franklins for sale. Bargaining is normal here. Ho asks for ### and I go #^# and she says for that you can do my "theez", ass is arabic and she was serious. I wanted to but my buddy goes "God gave you a good place to fcuk, forget that". That was that for arab ass.

Swiss Brian

04-05-05, 11:19

Hi friends,

Also a very successful chance to find freebies in Shenzhen is the dating website www.adultfriendfinder.com

I have an account since 3-4 years and there are many girls with english skills. With this contacting site i found couple very nice girls which are like gf but not sticky.

At the second date they will do it like crazy.

Meet them and invite them to the V-BAR or some other nice place will melt the ice very fast. and then do it. :)

Greez

Yellow Fever #2

04-05-05, 14:46

Great find!

I have visited this area according to your directions and it is nice and clean. There are 6 BBS on this strip with up to 20 girls in each. I did not invest on this trip but had a nice stroll down the street.

It is the street between the McDonalds and the Nanshan SEG Electronics Market, very close to the nanshan hospital.

Always nice to have options in many parts of the city.

There is NO train nearby, it is not near LoWu, Futian or any other known mongering place. I would not venture out of my way to go there but if you are in the area it is worthwhile to visit.

I haven't seen any one posting anything for this area.

It is actually near Nan You Da Dao, There is a Nan Shan Electroci & computer Market, which is in a tall building, someone called Nan Shan Shai Ge Market.

Yellow Fever #2

04-05-05, 14:51

BEIJING, April 5 -- A senior doctor has urged Guangdong residents to shun casual sex and be faithful to their spouses following a rise in sexually transmitted diseases (STDs).

His warning came after more than 100,000 residents in the province were found to have contracted STDs in last year, an increase of 24.16 percent over 2003.

Of the STD patients detected last year, 67.17 percent contracted a disease through non-marital sex.

Chen Yongfeng, a senior doctor from the Guangdong Provincial Prevention and Control Center for Dermatosis told a seminar on preventing STDs and skin diseases Saturday that almost 70 percent of the STD patients were married.

Young people aged between 20 and 29 represented 45.32 percent of the total, Chen said. Male STD patients accounted for 52.58 per cent of the total.

A recent province-wide survey indicated that almost 20 percent of personnel employed in entertainment venues and frequent visitors to those venues were found to have an STD. The entertainment venues include karaoke parlors, nightclubs and bars.

Almost 8 percent of Guangdong's drug addicts were found to have a sexually transmitted disease.

To help fight the growing STD threat, Chen urged the use of condoms. Guangdong health departments plan to give out more than 500,000 free condoms at entertainment venues this year, Chen was quoted by the China Daily as saying.

In addition to the government's efforts to encourage medical examinations, local residents must also be better educated to further raise their awareness of STD and related skin disease prevention, Chen said.

With a population of about 110 million, Guangdong had more than 1.26 million STD patients by the end of 2004, one of the highest STD figures on the Chinese mainland.

Most STD patients were found in Dongguan, Zhuhai and Shenzhen in the Pearl River Delta.

Meanwhile, the number of cases involving mothers passing syphilis to their unborn babies also rose in Guangdong in 2004.

Acer V

04-08-05, 11:24

RasSpewtin

04-08-05, 20:32

Hi folks, I am a regular in the HK forum and sometimes find myself staying in the SZ Crowne Plaza on business. I wouldn't mind nipping out at times for a BBS quickee. Can anyone give me advice on a place nearby with directions on how to get there. I would prefer something within walking distance. Did someone mention a block of knocking shops in the BaiShiZhou area? Can anyone give me some hints on how to find?

Acer V:
I have walked a lot in the area of this hotel, and have never seen anything within walking distance that looks like a BBS. I have mentioned this in posts a few times, and no-one has yet to correct me (although I wish that someone could).

There are a couple of saunas close-by on Shenna Lu, but I have not tried them. There is one on your way to Luohu from the hotel, on your right hand side of the road. The place is either just before or after the Chinese Cultural Village, and has a huge neon sign. But again, I have not tried it.

There are usually some Pro's in the Vbar, but they are expensive at 800 RMB short time, and very hit-and-miss.

I would tell the concierge that you want a taxi to Jusco, called Ji Zhi Dao in Chinese. Tell the concierge that you want the drive to drop you off in the rear of the shopping center, on the street that runs parallel to Shennan Lu. The famous Jusco alleys are parallel and to the right of your drop-off street.

But honestly, I would probably want to have someone from the WSG take me there the first time, because it is a little tricky to find and you need to learn some pointers.

I can show you if you happen to be in SZ sometime in July.

Sorry if I could not be of much help. Most of the places that I frequent in SZ are places shown to me by OAH and others.

Raz

Acer V

04-09-05, 04:39

Thanks for your help and offer to assist. I've done the Jusco area, Sha Tsui and a few other places. I am just looking for something a bit closer to home, and a change of scenery I guess. BTW the new subway is great, no need for a taxi to the Jusco area. Door to door form the Crowne Plaza in less than 25 min.

OldAsiaHand

04-09-05, 10:20

I made an uneventful visit to the area last week. Rather than attract any attention, I ducked into one of the first alleys and quickly followed a mamasan up for a line-up. I selected one just average looking Hunan girl and had just average service. Had an shitty foot massage afterwards. As I was leaving the area, I caught some dirty looks from the Bao An who apperared to make sure that I was leaving. I really felt discrminated against.

After numerous visits, I have drawn some conclusions about the area:

1) Most of the people living, working, doing business and even mongering in the area do not want foreigners (non-Asian) there for whatever reason. I am interested in theories on the subject of why this is.

2) The selection of girls that will do foreign punters is of lower quality than those available for their Chinese counterparts.

3) The quality of talent that will "publicly" admit to doing BBBJ is lower.

So here is my reco if you are white:

1) Do not go with a group of foreigners! Attracts way too much attention. Go alone or more preferably with a Chinese friend.

2) Do not specify your preference for BBBJ until after you see a line-up. You may not get any head, but you will see better quality.

3) Do not select a girl that does not appear interested. You can tell the signs; hides in the back of the pack, does not look at you, etc. There are exceptions to this rule, but not as often as not. I have noticed in every group you see, there are usually a few that are joking around, speaking the little English they know, jumping on the couch and playing around with you, etc. They are not usally the best looking, but usually more comfortable with foreigners and provide better service.

From my personal experience and that of others on this forum, I think I understand now why some of my local and overseas Chinese friends make excuses why we should not go there. They are just too nice to come right out and say that we are not welcome there.

Just my POV.

OAH

OldAsiaHand

04-09-05, 10:31

Acer V,

Strange coincidence that your post should follow one from Yellow Fever #2. He took me to an area further out Shennan Lu from the hotel. Although not walking distance, it was a bit closer than Jusco. Not as many shops, but we managed to find some reasonable talent. He can give you better directions than I can.

OAH

LoveAsia

04-10-05, 08:59

OAH,

You are right on the money when you said:

Most of the people living, working, doing business and even mongering in the area do not want foreigners (non-Asian) there for whatever reason. I am interested in theories on the subject of why this is.

The biggest reason why foreigners are not welcome is because of the overwhelmingly lack of respect shown by foreigners traveling to and living in China (or Asia for that matter). The vast majority of foreigners make a fair amount of money here and have an inflated opinion of self worth. They are either unwilling or unable to try and understand the local culture. Also, foreigners who visit here (Asia) treat it as their own private playground: heavey drinking, rude to laoban, and using, abusing local non-pro and pro women alike.

The users, abusers know who they are and find themselves quite entertaining. The people you use and abuse have less choices than we do and have to put up with alot for their very survival. So while we all enjoy mongering you might want to remember that the person you are playing with is not in the first career choice. You might want to show a bit more compassion and respect.

Did'nt mean to climb up on a soapbox but just wanted to share my thoughts.

LA

Yellow Fever #2

04-11-05, 01:11

Within 10 mins walking distance of the Crowne Plaza is an area called BaiShiZhou. (Just follow the streams of people). - Just walk west and head right once you get to the neighbourhood - you should know it when you see it.

This very crowded Chinese village area has at least 20BBS spread throughtout the area. The prices and girls are OK. You cannot see the BBS from Shennan Road but they are spread in the alleys of the area.

I cannot recommend any BBS in particular and they tend to move over time.

The alleys are very dirty, do NOT wear a suit or nice shoes. Take care where you walk and know where you are or how to get back.

It is one stop from Windows of the World by bus but simpler to walk from the CP.

Another area or Chinese village with alleyways referred to by OAH is called DaCong which is 2 or 3 stops by bus.

Be safe, take care, enjoy and explore.

Cronin

04-11-05, 03:47

Love Asia,

You have issues, my friend.

Cronin

Acer V

04-11-05, 16:40

Fellas,
Thanks for the assistance. I have glanced in on Bai She Zhou a while back but didn't find action. Must look harder next time. I'll let you know what I find.

Swiss Brian

04-12-05, 07:06

Hi Folks,

Yes, I agree 100%

I was in China for several years and i made the same experiences. I'm Swiss but everybody though I'm American because most of foreigners seems to be Americans. How ever most wei guo ren have very poor attitute.

Still hoping thats changes... ;)

Greez

The biggest reason why foreigners are not welcome is because of the overwhelmingly lack of respect shown by foreigners traveling to and living in China (or Asia for that matter). The vast majority of foreigners make a fair amount of money here and have an inflated opinion of self worth. They are either unwilling or unable to try and understand the local culture. Also, foreigners who visit here (Asia) treat it as their own private playground: heavey drinking, rude to laoban, and using, abusing local non-pro and pro women alike.

Bob Builder

04-12-05, 14:59

From surfing other parts of the WSG forum about Asia, it seems that there are a lot of other countries / areas that do not welcome foreigners with open arms.

Foreigners attract unwanted attention and some seem to take the attitude that the rules don't apply to them. As OAH said, initially when he went there, he liked to treat the place as if it was somewhere in Thailand. Until that is he found out it was better to be low key and get laid instead of having the Bo An on your ass for the whole time.

Think of it this way, its easier to make someone diappear in China than leave them in a bloody mess and have to try to explain it.

Discretion is the key to mongering in China.

Moody

04-13-05, 03:31

I'm a foreigner, but of Asian descent, so I'm usually mistaken for Chinese. I don't have any problems getting around anywhere. That said, I have seem more than my share of "ugly Americans." I'm sure you guys know what I mean. They guy at the hotel yelling at the receptionist girl, or the guy at the restaurant giving the waitress a hard time. Why is it that Americans think that if they talk louder, Chinese will understand English? There's an underlying conceit among Americans that English is an international language and that everyone in the world speaks it. If they don't understand you, it's because they didn't hear you and all they need to do is speak louder. I still remember one incident in Guangzhou. A fellow had received a fax. The fellow apparently had an issue with folded paper. When the girl at the front desk put the fax in an envelope and handed it to him, he started going off on the girl. Was that really necessary? As the guy started yelling at her, she was obviously getting more and more confused. I stepped in and asked the guy to lay off. Then he started yelling at me and telling me that it was none of my business. It was a funny sight, a small 70 year old guy threatening to beat up a 20 something guy. Man, if this guy gets this steamed because his fax was folded and put in an envelope, he'll probably have a heart attack when they mess up his over easy eggs at the breakfast buffet.

I'm not saying every American is like this guy, as a matter of fact, very VERY few are. The problem is, these guys tend to be very memorable and make lasting impressions. Even if only 1 in a 100 guys is like this, you don't want to deal with it, so you make some kind of blanket policy of "no foreigners." It's a shame really though, that a few misbehaved tourists/businesspeople/idiots, ruin it for everyone else. BTW, this kind of foreigner exclusion policy is not limited to China. If you check the South Korean boards, you'll see all kinds of guy complaining that no one will take them at 588. 588 probably has some of the best looking brothel girls in the world.

Kunshan

04-13-05, 06:15

Before we get any deeper into discussions about why certain brothel areas security guards may not/ do not welcome "Lao Wai", lets get the situation in perspective. Its not about the behaivour of any race or nationality of people, its about the fact that if it appears that the area is too popular for illegal activities with too many punters then it will be closed down. As a foreigner is way more obvious than a local it is not surprising that they get special treatment from the guards.

Anyway if someone is really interested in what these girls think about the nationality of a customers' cock, then just ask them.

And as so many people have said on this site the local price and the expat price is different. So why would the girls not welcome the extra cash.

Bad attitude can come from anyone and in this case its not related to Bao An/Police attitudes.

Santa

04-13-05, 08:21

Good replys from Changsha and Moody.

I am usually a polite and calm guy, but on occasion I have gotten upset at a restaurant or hotel, ktv, bbs, bar, etcetera, and then behaved badly.

We are guilty of bad behavior sometimes. When foreigners behave badly it is more noticeable. A local is quickly forgotten about, but we are remembered.

Maybe it's part of the difficulty and stress of being in an alien environment.

It's not only true of the "ugly american". I've seen guys and gals all nationalities behave badly while in a foreign countries.

And the moral of the story is, while mongering, be polite and considerate! Don't cause problems. Wear a condom and give the girl a tip. Forgive bad service. Etc.....

OldAsiaHand

04-13-05, 12:10

Gentlemen,

Interesting perspectives on the issue of anti-foreign sentiment. Personally, I think I have been in Asia long enough to understand local culture and the mongering scene. Yes, mongering is completely different in Thailand than in China. And yes, foreigners mongering habits are different than their Asian counterparts. For example, many of my fellow Asian mongering buddies treat the experience with more romance than my fellow Western mongering buddies who look more for service, than romance. And, I rarely see an Asian monger joke around with the girls. They take the whole deal much more seriously and low key.

Having said that, it is sad to see that a few bad apples have spoiled the bunch for Western mongers in China.

Just my POV.

OAH

ManonsanBoy

04-13-05, 12:22

Simple, really. Reap what you sow. Chinese instinctly see lao wai (especially with white skin) as something to aspire to and this particularly applies to Americans, who they worship, however undeservedly.

Treat the ladies with consideration (and try not to squeeze every last 10 RMB out of them), then maybe the reputation will improve.

RasSpewtin

04-13-05, 20:33

Although not American, I am North American, and hence it is often assumed that I am indeed American (however, I am quick to make a polite correction in these cases, because I am a proud Canadian).

That being said, every confrontational instance involving an irate North American also makes me look bad, because the Chinese do the same thing that we so often do: they form generalized assumptions of a culture based on a bad experience.

There was a guy in the hotel gym once that I nearly punched out after her humiliated the poor young Chinese fellow that was trying to find the right channel on the TV for him. Sure, if you shout louder and insult him, he will understand you better. DUH.

We can all help by making small good impressions. Learn to say "Nie Hao" and "Xie Xie". Please. When the welcome girls at the restaurant greet you, greet them back. Thank the server when she refills your tea cup.

Share a simple joke with someone you have just met.

If you do not get what you wanted after the first request, remind yourself that you are in China, and surprise surprise, they speak Chinese. Never raise your voice in authority, but rather try to explain what you want with a smile on your face.

Ask the taxi driver where is his home town. Answer his questions about your home country, at least try to do so.

I can not count the number of people that have said that I confirmed the Chinese rumour that Canadians are polite.

We are guests in their country. Let's behave like the dinner guest that would love to get invited back for another visit.

Raz

Marauder

04-14-05, 01:29

I'm an American, but I'm really nice. I know that a great deal of the folks who travel abroad are pricks, and here is the worst example I have.

I was in Pattaya, at an outdoor bar with a boxing ring. You know this kick boxing is mostly fake, but it's still entertaining.... well, there were two navy dudes watching and yelling insults. One was a loud scrawny redneck, the other was a huge AA dude (Please no one take any offence), both appeared to be fairly young.

Anyway, the scrawny guy was saing things like... This guy (the AA Sailor) could kick both your asses... And when the boxer came around asking for tips and posing for pictures, as is the custom after a fight/show, the big guy was intimidating him, buy gesturing like he was going to hit the dude, to make him flinch. Totally classless and embarassing. It makes me embarrassed... anyway, I just want to throw into this conversation.

Bob Builder

04-14-05, 03:56

Actually the real reason that Chinese don't want lao wei mongering in China is to save all the cheap tight young pussy for themselves.

The last thing needed is a wave of big foreign cock invading the motherland stretching them out of shape. LOL.

All this talk about foreigners treating Chinese badly is crap. If anything Chinese treat other Chinese worse than foreigners as there is a class (wealth, city/village) structure.

Bill Lee

04-14-05, 13:28

I don't think so. I think Chinese like most people wants the American life, the opportunity to make money and have freedom.

BTW, it's also the Canadian way of life too. That's why there's so many Chinese trying to get into Canada too.

To say that Chinese aspire to be lao wai is totally inaccurate. If they worship you, would they charge you more for their services? Chinese like all other ethnic groups are too proud to want to be someone else.

IMHO.
Bill

Simple, really. Reap what you sow. Chinese instinctly see lao wai (especially with white skin) as something to aspire to and this particularly applies to Americans, who they worship, however undeservedly.

Treat the ladies with consideration (and try not to squeeze every last 10 RMB out of them), then maybe the reputation will improve.

Orientalovers

04-14-05, 14:46

As much as I should say, the Chinese proverb : "LOVE & CARE SOMEONE, SOMEONE WILL LOVE & CARE YOU TOO".

I am a foreigner too, but Malaysia born Chinese, and have been staying in China more than five years. I learn a lot from the Chinese and respect them very much. I always keep in mind that being always sharing and caring other feelings, you will always welcome with open arms in any part of the world.

Santa

04-14-05, 15:15

It's true that we sometimes behave badly, but I think Bob Builder is correct also, they just want to keep the pussy for themselves. That's the way it is with many Korean guys, they just hate to see a foreigner with a "pretty" korean girl.

Maybe it's racial pride and hatred?

How many white guys hate to see a pretty white girl with a black guy?

Maybe economics is at play. Foreigners may cause inflation.

And how about law enforcement problems? By keeping it private they are less likely to have a dreaded crackdown.

RasSpewtin

04-14-05, 20:21

All this talk about foreigners treating Chinese badly is crap. If anything Chinese treat other Chinese worse than foreigners as there is a class (wealth, city/village) structure.

Bob:

With all due respect, many of us have seen instances of foreigners treating Chinese badly, so it is not "crap". It is real.

And if you are implying that if rich Chinese can mistreat those of lower standing then it must also be OK for us to do so, then you need to re-assess your position.

Guys like OAH and friends have learned that those that understand and appreciate the culture will be able to live happily as foreign guests for long periods of time. The ones that are arrogant and unwilling to learn are the ones that end up miserable and book a flight back home.

Raz

Bob Builder

04-15-05, 02:13

Raz,

I think you mistook what I said. It's a statement of fact, not what I agree with.

What I was trying to point out was if a foreigner goes off at someone, most locals will just said "crazy lao wei" and on the whole it is verbal abuse, not a beating.

Santa

04-15-05, 03:33

I don't think Bob means to imply that foreigners never treat the chinese badly. He thinks that our bad behavior is not the primary reason that we are sometimes not welcome at some mongering venues.

I have suggested four possible reasons.

1. Our bad behavior.

2. Their racial pride and prejudice.

3. They want to prevent price inflation.

4. They want to reduce the risk of law enforcement crackdowns.

And now I'll add a fifth.

5. Medical. A belief that the foreigners are responsible for Aids.

What do you think OAH?

OldAsiaHand

04-15-05, 11:45

I witnessed what seemed to be a major crackdown in the Futian Walmart area this week. I arrived at around 9:30pm. There were LE everywhere and a pretty good size crowd of onlookers. Most of the FS shops were already closed, but a paddy wagon pulled up in front of one still open and put all the girls from the shop in the back of it. They pulled up to another and did the same. I decided it best not to hang out too long so I kept walking and checked the street on the south side of Walmart. A few FS shops were still open, but they had the lights off. Nothing was open in the back alleys.

OAH

Bob Builder

04-15-05, 16:35

You hit the nail on the head. All the reasons that you quoted are common ones that HK and local Chinese believe, rightly or wrongly about foreigners. Apart from 1 point that from what I gather from this forum that the mongers here are not causing price inflation. I will blame those Taiwanese fuckers for that. Now if I find any of them in Sha Tsui, I definitely will be getting the Boa An to kick there asses! THE MAIN POINT IS THAT NON-ASIANS STAND OUT AND THERE IS THE BELIEF THAT THIS WILL CREATE UNWANTED ATTENTION FROM THE PRESS, POWERS THAT BE, ETC. AND RUIN IT FOR THE LOCALS. You realise Sha Tsui's prosperity relies on HK Chinese mongering and if they perceive that you are going to threaten their livelihood, you are at risk. And since most are in possesion of the mighty greenback, you can afford to pay a premium. When was the last time you got kicked out of a KTV?

OAH, there is a mini-crackdown going on at the moment. But you will find the BBS that got raided was under new ownership or did not pay off the right people yet as the established shops had their shutters down already and will be back in business soon. You realise that if you drink in the bars in the Futian Sui Wai area enough that the lao ban will call girls in for you and they have rooms upstairs or in the next building. It was where the regular mongers went when the LE was cracking down on Sha Tsui.

Enough of the retoric.

Southern China expedition last weekend. Started in Macau. Dropped a few hundred in the the Sands. Cruised the circuit in Lisboa but nothing interesting. Walked Russian Street but damn the Russkies are getting rougher! Ended up in Supreme Sauna and to cut a long story short, had a little Shicuan cutie about 4am. Found a big patch of blood on the bed afterwards and she said I was BIG! Well I hope that African guy with the salami in his trousers that I saw in the shower area didn't pick her or they would have have to call an ambulance. Does anyone else find the condoms that they use there a tight fit and I am definintely not Johnny Stickman?Damage MOP1000 with all the food you can eat. But girl selection only so-so. Had to reject on for a newbie buddy as she had ***** written all over her but the Manager knew the meaning of Customer service.

Next stop Zhu Hai Sauna in afternoon. Another Sichuan shortie. Damage RMB150 to the house and RMB200 direct to the girl. She could lick the centre strip off the road with her tongue. I amd still not a fan of doing it on a massage table except for one position that is bent over the table with gal's legs together. Makes it real tight.

Third stop, KTV after dinner at a place called Entertainment City. Started in KTV room and I selected a gal with blond hair. No, not a russkie, died blond chinese who was giving me the eye. Ended up that she was an old pro, so I decided I was going to fuck with her. Lifted up her dress. 2 pairs of pants on. No touching anywhere. Expert dice player and I was starting to lose, so I threw away the dice and said we are now going to drink. Drank and started to cry as she said that she was making me unhappy. One of my associates who is not a nice guy took her into the WC and told her she had to go. She comes out and wants $$$. I thought for 1/2 hour RMB100 was fair and I didn't want to have a scence as everyone was starting to have a good time but she wanted RMB200. OK, that is the std fee for the whole night sitting tables, so I said stay but you are going to have to drink with me all night. I ended up drinking 20 small bottles of Tsing Tao. At some point she decided to cut her losses and leave. But before that I said I was going to take her back to the hotel. She comes out with the obvious answer: BAD TIME OF THE MONTH! LOL!

Back to Sauna about dawn. Can't even remember if I did it again or not. All I remeber is taking a shower.

Next day 2 hour ride back to Shenzhen. Good to be back to old stomping grounds. RMB150 at regular BBS at Man Kam To border. New girl and yes again from the chilli province, on the chubby side but good BBBJ. Pussy a bit sloppy but that could have been all my saliva.

And to all you Lao Wei, WE DON'T WANT TO FUCK YOUR WOMEN, SO LEAVE OURS ALONE!

JUST JOKING!

Bob!

Santa

04-16-05, 01:49

While my five points are all valid, the main reason we are not welcome at Sha Tsui, as Bob said, is the money. Follow the money!!!

The local mafia/pimps are making a lot of money from the Hong Kong mongers. They want to keep it secret and private. Keep a low profile, hush hush, don't attract attention from the higher authorities.

If you ignore these guys, confront them and repeatedly return, after you were already warned to leave, you risk provoking an angry attack. Remember, you are dealing with gangs of thugs protecting their turf.

A few years ago, a Hong Kong guy I met in Shenzhen told me about the area and offered to take me there. He later changed his mind without an explanation. He would only say "sorry, I would like to but cannot".

OldAsiaHand

04-16-05, 03:59

Santa,

Behavior: I don't think this is a primary factor since it has nothing to do with the economics of the business. I agree with the "crazy lao wai" theory and I want to believe such behavior is the exception rather than the rule. I do not think foreigners have a reputation for physical abuse, do they?

Racial Prejudice: I agree. I even notice the same prejudice with my wife. Most of her male friends tried to talk her out of marrying a foreigner, but her female friends were in favor. Almost all the mamasans in Sha Tsui welcome me provided the Bao An are not on my tail. There may even be some jealousy going on here among the locals.

Inflation: I see many Asian guys paying more than white guys. The Japanese ruined Thailand in the old days. Overpaying may come from comparison with home turf and/or short stay guests. Mongers here for short stays tend to overpay since it is cheaper than home and only a couple of times. I certainly do not inflate prices (LOL), although I do encounter many instances where lao wai surcharges are applied, or at least they try to.

LE crackdowns: I agree. We attract just too much attention. And, if anything happened to a foreigner in the area, it would be more difficult to cover up than a Hong Kong guy. There may be more to lose than gain from our presence.

Medical: This is the case in Thailand. Some MPs there do not accept foreigners for that reason. I have not heard this in China yet.

Just my POV.

OAH

OldAsiaHand

04-16-05, 04:23

OAH, there is a mini-crackdown going on at the moment. But you will find the BBS that got raided was under new ownership or did not pay off the right people yet as the established shops had their shutters down already and will be back in business soon.

Bob,

It was a relatively new shop being raided, but it was the first time I'd actually seen a paddy wagon hauling off girls like that. And, there must have been 10-15 LE on the street. Normally, all the FS BBS get a tip off and just close for a few days. This is usually to make an impression in advance of a holiday or a visit by central government officials or something. This may jsut have been a grander impression.

OAH

Bob Builder

04-16-05, 10:04

OAH,

I have been to other parts of Shenzhen that have closed for a few days over the last week.

New ownership, new shop, new girls! Local LE may have been having a party and wanted fresh stock!

The Le that arrested that cop in Sha tsui went mongering themselves the day after.

OldAsiaHand

04-17-05, 05:15

If you ignore these guys, confront them and repeatedly return, after you were already warned to leave, you risk provoking an angry attack. Remember, you are dealing with gangs of thugs protecting their turf.

Santa:

Do you really think we can be physically attacked? I have never felt threatened to that extent. I have been there and followed by the Bao An on several occasions. They have never said a word to me. Once I asked them why they were following me and they said they were not. I asked them if I was welcome in the area and they said no problem. But, action speaks louder than words so I usually just split or pop into a restaurant or other legit establishment when they are on my tail. It may be that they do not recognize that I am a return visitor, "all lao wai look alike!"?

Having said all that, the best way for us white guys to enjoy Sha Tsui is just to get in, get done and, get out.

Just my POV.

OAH

Santa

04-17-05, 08:56

I have never been to that area and my reply was only a guess. I think you are a very experienced, cautious and polite guy, who knows how to stay away from trouble.

Maybe they are becoming more tolerant of foreigners. We spend money too! You are on the frontier my friend, in new territory.

If I return to Shenzhen this year will you please show me around? Do you remember that I met you outside the Jusco Starbucks?

I'm in the USA right now, the bible belt, and desperate to escape! I hate this evangelical revival shit! So much ignorence in the world! When will this madness end?

I think you should continue to enjoy Sha Tsui. Please stay safe my friend and have fun.

Swiss Brian

04-17-05, 15:18

Hi fellow mongerers,

Great posting! I 100% agree.

Even in Switzerland many people have distant relationship to American culture and are more open to Canadians because of the behavior.

In China I had experience that when I start to talk in Mandarin to them and when they realize I'm not American they warm-up immediatelly.

There is a saying. "Americans don't listen they just want to rule everything"

Of course not every American is like that but there must be a reason for this reputation.

If you look at the scene in Thailand its the same story about the Germans, they have a very bad reputation as pure sex tourists.

Just my five cents.

Brian

We can all help by making small good impressions. Learn to say "Nie Hao" and "Xie Xie". Please. When the welcome girls at the restaurant greet you, greet them back. Thank the server when she refills your tea cup. Share a simple joke with someone you have just met. If you do not get what you wanted after the first request, remind yourself that you are in China, and surprise surprise, they speak Chinese. Never raise your voice in authority, but rather try to explain what you want with a smile on your face. Ask the taxi driver where is his home town. Answer his questions about your home country, at least try to do so. I can not count the number of people that have said that I confirmed the Chinese rumour that Canadians are polite. We are guests in their country. Let's behave like the dinner guest that would love to get invited back for another visit.

Juno Audio

04-18-05, 00:50

I thought I’ll give my 50 cents to this topic of why foreigners are not welcome. I usually post at 141 by another name, but this topic is just too interesting to pass up.

Many of you offer reasons on why foreigners are treated badly by the Chinese, and they are all good. So here’s another one for you all to consider.

While many western (or foreign) countries have forgotten about history, the Chinese have not. As it is demonstrated by the recent protests by Chinese over the issues of Japan. The government of China does a good job of propaganda on this by the way. I’m sure many of you will agree if you lived in China for a number of years, the government on TV will not cease to show what the foreigners did to China during the late 1800 and early 19 century. Just look at who is at these protests in recent weeks, they are college students born in the 80s.

Japan is by far the worst country that did bad thing against China, but western countries are not too far behind. The last time I checked (correct me if I'm wrong), non of the countries that took advantage of China ever apologized. And guess what, the Chinese government remembers, and they will not let their citizen forget.

My 50 cents

JA

Moody

04-18-05, 13:26

I was at Cinese Hotel for Fri and Sat. Man oh man! The Dongguan hotels are really packed for the Canton Fair. I normally pay 408RMB per night, but the current rate is 530RMB. The KTV was also packed. When my friends and I arrived at 9:30, the girl selection was pretty poor. It was the first time I've seen it this bad at this hotel. I asked the mommy what the deal was, and she said people started pouring in at 8:00. I've known this mommy for over 6 months and she tries really hard to please me since my friends and I come here a lot and we all drink a lot. Regardless, she found us some cuties. I found one girl who looked like a Japanese anime cartoon character with pale white skin, huge eyes with big fake eyelashes, small pointy little nose, and a small little mouth. To add to the picture, she also dyed her hair blonde. As the evening drew to a close, I asked the girl how old she was. She said she was 18. I don't really like taking out 18 year old girls so I tipped her 200 yuan and sent her home and slept alone.

Last night I got to try out the KTV at the Grandview Hotel in Hongmei. First of all, this hotel is in the middle of nowhere. I think there are some big pharmaceutical companies in Hongmei with some really large factories, but otherwise, it's a pretty boring place. Anyway, the KTV is pretty good. I asked the mommy how many girls they had and she told me they have a little over 100. My friends and I got there pretty early so we got to see a lot of the girls. I would rate girl selection as a step below Cinese and on par with Jia Hua Grand in Houjie. Although the KTV is not as nice as either Jia Hua or Cinese, it's still pretty good. The going rate there is 2-6-8. The 5 of us and 8 girls drank up 18 bottles of cheap red wine. I got caught in a bad streak at the 7-8-9 game and drank about 10 glasses in 2 minutes.

Last week, I was at Las Vegas in Shenzhen for a couple of nights. I think Las Vegas has gotten a bit better since last year. There were some real knockouts there and I'm a really picky guy. BTW, they're having some kind of promotion right now so if you buy one bottle, you get one free. I don't know how long that's gonna last though.

Moody

04-18-05, 16:27

Bob,

It was a relatively new shop being raided, but it was the first time I'd actually seen a paddy wagon hauling off girls like that. And, there must have been 10-15 LE on the street. Normally, all the FS BBS get a tip off and just close for a few days. This is usually to make an impression in advance of a holiday or a visit by central government officials or something. This may jsut have been a grander impression.

OAH

Probably forgot to make the monthly protection payment.

Rickyeoh99

04-19-05, 01:48

Moody, some of the ktvs in China serve fake hard liquor. I experienced it in Shenzen back in November 2004. I believe the ktv is called Rainbow Club or something like that in Louhu, directly opposite Golden Lustre Hotel. The ktv offered 3 bottles of Black Label for the price of 2 bottles. But the last bottle was a killer. One of my pals who can drink, drank a lot from the last bottle. He just passed out when he reached his hotel room. He never experienced it before. He has a feeling the last bottle is fake. I heard stories like this before but this is the first time it happened to me.

Acer V

04-19-05, 02:44

Yellow Fever,
The area Da Cong that you refer to. Is it to the north (or right hand side as you are heading our of town from the CP) of Shennan Lu similar to Bi She Zhou?

Weelock

04-19-05, 04:06

Probably forgot to make the monthly protection payment.

It more likely because of Labor Day Holiday week in china from 1st May till 7th May. LE usually try to clean up before holidays. Yes, maybe payments also. Looks like a bad time to visit and the Canton Fair.

LoveAsia

04-19-05, 07:22

Love Asia,

You have issues, my friend.

Cronin

Et tu, Brute!

Cronin, the only issues I have are the last 2 months of Men's Health and Popular Science.

I have been living in China for a number of years and previously traveled extensively throughout Asia as have you. In case you thought I was addressing you, I never got the impression you were one of the bad foreigners that I had written about earlier.

What really stands out in my mind are the foreigners that I have met (and also witnessed) giving the locals a bad time. It is especially true of the younger foreigners who are making good money here as well as some of the 40+ group having their mid life crisis. Actually, the foreigners that I have met in Taipei were the worse of the lot.

OAH has the right attitude as do a number of others on here. Give respect, have patience and remember we are guests in a foreign country.

LA

LoveAsia

04-19-05, 07:34

Brothers,

Yesterday a foreign guy got attacked by 2-3 Chinese men in the parking lot next to the McDonalds in Seaworld at 7:30am. One of the Chinese guys was hitting the foreigner with an aluminum baseball bat. Another foreigner came to assist the other and then the Chinese guys took off. The foreign guy was in his mid 50's to early 60's. Be damn careful!

LA

Yellow Fever #2

04-19-05, 09:19

Acer V,

You are correct. These areas are to the north of Shennan Lu when heading out of town.

However BSZ has some places on the south side as well about 500meters from the road - last time I looked.

Of the 2 areas, Da Cong is much cleaner however BSZ has more BBSs. You should easily find 130RMB+ for FS in either area and probably 300+RMB for all night back at the CP.

Dave_Far

04-20-05, 15:47

One quick question. Instead of going to a KTV room and spending loads of money for drinks, if I saw a girl in the hallway, could i proposition her there and forgo the money spent on drinks and room?

OldAsiaHand

04-21-05, 03:25

One quick question. Instead of going to a KTV room and spending loads of money for drinks, if I saw a girl in the hallway, could i proposition her there and forgo the money spent on drinks and room?

Dave,

You can do this. I have done it a few times, but the mamasan made the arrangements for me. However, the KTV management may frown upon this practice since they are there to sell the rooms. I am not sure you can get away with it in every KTV. Maybe the KTV veterans can shed some more light on the subject. Moody?

OAH

OldAsiaHand

04-21-05, 16:32

Just did a drive-by. All the shops that were closed last week remain shut. I wonder how long it will last.

The Jusco area was business as usual. There are even more new shops opened up. I wandered to the east side and found a new shop with all Dongbei-Lioning girls. I took a 1.7+ meter tall girl. Service included BBBJ (She did offer CIM which I declined) followed by all the FS positions I needed but overall performance was pretty average. Far from a GFE. Standard damage of 150 RMB.

OAH

Travel Dog

04-22-05, 01:20

Dave
Many Dong Guan KTVs have a large general seating area where they have shows and disco dancing. PM me if you want a list. Anyone can go in and buy a drink and sit and watch the show. Of course, the KTV girls are all around and you can arrange whatever you want with the mommies. The mommies will come up and ask you if you would like a girl to sit with you, in the large showroom. Or you can just take a girl out on the spot. I helped a customer do exactly this last month.

Some places have a minimum per person some only charge for the drinks you buy. Just ask.

TD

Rickyeoh99

04-22-05, 01:28

TangZhen

04-22-05, 07:39

Japan is by far the worst country that did bad thing against China, but western countries are not too far behind.

If Japan is BY FAR the worst, then how can western countries be NOT FAR BEHIND???? FAR vs. NOT FAR, it can only be one of the two (unless you are a politician of course).

Juno Audio

04-22-05, 10:37

If Japan is BY FAR the worst, then how can western countries be NOT FAR BEHIND???? FAR vs. NOT FAR, it can only be one of the two (unless you are a politician of course).TangZhen, yeah, my bad, you must be an English teacher or something. Let me tell you what I really meant to say, (because I'm a politician, you see) "Japan is the worst, and all others are not too far behind". Is that better?

But really, Japan is not the worst. It is a fact that chairman Mao killed more Chinese than the Japanese army. But Mao is a hero to the Chinese while the Japanese are bitter enemy. Go figure.

JA

Shenzhenwizz

04-22-05, 17:21

Prince Leo

04-22-05, 18:49

tangzhen, yeah, my bad, you must be an english teacher or something. let me tell you what i really meant to say, (because i'm a politician, you see) "japan is the worst, and all others are not too far behind". is that better?

but really, japan is not the worst. it is a fact that chairman mao killed more chinese than the japanese army. but mao is a hero to the chinese while the japanese are bitter enemy. go figure.

jathough mao has his share of crimes, overall, he has done wonders in terms of improving the way of life of common folks and strengthen china as a whole. his contributions overshadow his wrong-doings. over all, the living condition in general did advanced forward while mao was the leader. also, the chinese government did say that mao made mistakes during his reign. on the other hand, during wwii, japan brought nothing but destruction, brutality, and horror to china. many people, not just those that lived through that era, are still living suffering the after effect of that [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). if you have a chance, pick up a copy of "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) of nanking" by iris cheng.

OldAsiaHand

04-23-05, 11:39

Hi,

I am relatively new to Shenzhen and have been reading the posts and must say that its a damn good community to be a part of. I have a few queries and would appreciate if some body could throw some light on them :

1) Some of the Massage places in Shekou can send a girl to one's appartment for massage. Has somebody used this service before ? Is just plain massage or some extras also thrown in ?

2) Would it be Ok to take one of the girls from massage/BBS etc to one's appartment for the works ? Is it safe ? What would be your suggestion ?

Shenzhenwizz,

It depends on the type of Massage place you are referring to. You can usually get a HJ, but more will depend on the girl and the place. Best to ask in advance.

My suggestion for BBS girls is to get to know the establishment, the lao ban yang, and do some of the girls in their apartments first. From the shops that I usually patronize, I would not worry about taking them home, if I could. I often take them to a hotel.

Just my POV.

OAH

Juno Audio

04-23-05, 18:02

Over all, the living condition in general did advanced forward while Mao was the leader.Well, I guess that could be debated. I heard the cultural revolution was really bad, and set China back a few decades behind other countries.

This topic is just too complex, I'm gonna give it a rest. The point that led to this was OAH asked why foreigners were not welcome in Sha Tsui, and I wanted to say maybe the Chinese "in general" have a hard time forgetting or forgiving what other countries have done to them in the past.

As a guest in their country, I'm not going to take it for granted.

JA

Moody

04-24-05, 11:00

Dave,

You can do this. I have done it a few times, but the mamasan made the arrangements for me. However, the KTV management may frown upon this practice since they are there to sell the rooms. I am not sure you can get away with it in every KTV. Maybe the KTV veterans can shed some more light on the subject. Moody?

OAH

This is definately one of those things that are YMMV. It will depend on both the mommy and the establishment. At one place, the place I took you to last year, the mommy will send me girls anytime with just a phone call. Every now and then she even picks up the check. I've known her for almost 4 years back when she was at Xiaomeisha. At Golden Times in Luohu, it won't work. At Las Vegas, it will work, but only because I know the mommy pretty well. Normally, they won't do it. It won't work at the Hilton either, but for other reasons, the main one being that girls there usuallly work two shifts. At most places in Dongguan, it's possible, although not so much at the bigger ones. I was at the Sheraton two nights ago, and I don't think it's possible there. At Cinese, I think it's possible although I haven't tried it yet. In Dongguan, it might be better to just call the massage place. Although the girls aren't as pretty, they're usually much better trained. The one thing difficult about this is that you usually have to have an "in." Usually I make this kind of contact at the KTV. I ask the mommy for the special massage and she'll usually hook me up. BTW, at Cinese, I saw perhaps the hottest mommy I have seen in my life. It's a little weird when the mommy is prettier than all of her girls. I kept trying to talk her into sitting with me so I can get to know her better. I gotta go back there so I can try to lay my charms on her.

Dunderhead

04-24-05, 17:59

anyone want to meet Faulk in Shenzhen this Tuesday night? Anyone can get any blow/pot?

Bob Builder

04-25-05, 03:04

i think you guys are thinking way too deep. [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) of nanjing? opium wars? its like a private members club thing: don't want you here and no logical explanation why. its just the way it is. with all the places that do welcome you, if you choose to go where it is obvious that you are not wanted, then you assume the risk. enough of this topic already. for all the times that most chinese decriminate in a favorable way to lao wei, you should be thankful that this is one of the few areas that you are on the losing end. no different to the way chinese are treated in many foreign lands. locals anywhere always have their own hangouts which they try to keep to themselves.

took 3 china newbies to sha tsui on saturday with a group of about 15 mongers and blew their minds. have not walked the alleys for a while as i usually go straight to ktv. things have changes since going there a few years earlier as the quality in the street is right up there. you can take one fro the alleys as that is where the mommies from ktv get them and they split the money. problem with the place is that all the girls become very streetwise quickly there, so less gfe, imho.

Juno Audio

04-25-05, 20:41

Bob Builder,

Descrimination always has its reasons. You might not care what they are, or don't think they are logical, but they do exist.

It's good that you are staying safe.

Moody

04-26-05, 05:21

I'll be in Guangdong Province next week on a business trip. I may be in SZ for a couple of days. How is the situation there in terms of ktv, suana and WL? I have been there many times and my normal girl normally with me whenever I'm there. This time, she is back in her hometown. I have been to Rainbow (I think that's the name) KTV in Louhu but my girl was with me. So, I can be consider a newbie in SZ. Hope any of you guys here can provide some information.

Thanks in advance.

I think Shenzhen has about 500 KTVs of all sizes. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting one. If you don't like one KTV, go next door or across the street. If you are discriminating about your KTV experience, just go to the bigger ones. Reputation-wise, the Hilton is supposed to be the best one in the city, but I didn't really like it. If you like tall girls though, this is the place for you. In Luohu, I personally prefer Golden Times, called Jin Se She Dai. I haven't been there since last year, but they've always had very pretty girls. In Futian, Las Vegas is pretty nice. I've been meaning to try out some new places in Futian, but haven't really had the time lately.

Sauna in Shenzhen tends to be hit or miss. If you go to a massage joint, just check to see how the girls look. If they're wearing sexy clothing and wearing makeup, most likely other services are available. If they're wearing a uniform and not wearing any makeup, then it's most likely just massage although that's not 100% the case. All the really good saunas for extra service are in Dongguan. If you want legit massage, you can try the Queen Sauna in Luohu. It's a very nice setup. Near Futian, you can also go to Carnival Club.

Finally, I don't know what a WL is.

Bob Builder

04-26-05, 11:21

Bob Builder,

Descrimination always has its reasons. You might not care what they are, or don't think they are logical, but they do exist.

It's good that you are staying safe.Juno,

I think you misunderstood my post. I meant that the people who descriminate may not have a logical reason according to you and for all the intellectual banter on this thread about the topic, take a step back and look at it from this position: Sha Tsui is run by villagers whose sole purpose to have the village in its current state is simple - to make $$$$. So the reason foreigners are not welcome is that the perception that having foreigners monger there is bad for business. How is it bad for business, I have gone over in previous posts. But to reiterate (these are common beliefs but not necessarily my own):

1) Aids - brought into China by foreigners.

2) Don't want farangs treating the place like Thailand.

3) Chinese don't want to share the good cheap pussy.

4) Foreigners bring unwanted added attention (If a foreigner gets robbed or beaten up there rightly or wrongly, there is a risk there is would be a lot of publicity. Local and HK Chinese get arrested and robbed there every day and it does not always make the news it is so common)

OldAsiaHand

04-26-05, 13:52

Took 3 China newbies to Sha Tsui on Saturday with a group of about 15 mongers and blew their minds. Have not walked the alleys for a while as I usually go straight to KTV. Things have changes since going there a few years earlier as the quality in the street is right up there. You can take one fro the alleys as that is where the mommies from KTV get them and they split the money. Problem with the place is that all the girls become very streetwise quickly there, so less GFE, IMHO.

Bob,

Now you see why I cannot resist walking the alleys!

OAH

Bob Builder

04-26-05, 15:54

OAH,

Problem is because of the color of your skin, you are more of an attraction that the girls.

Sometimes, I don't know if it was a good idea pointing you in this direction.

As you don't get seem to get sick of being folllowed by the Boan, have you been to Ha Sha, one of the next villages over which is another Hong Kong Mongering centre but more low key? I hear you can go to bars and pay RMB50 to the bar and RMB100 for FS. Have not been myself and the standard is not quite there from reports, but KTV with FS for RMB150. Heard this from one of the professional Sha Tsui mongers (3 trips a week) last weekend.

And before anyone asks for a map and directions:

1) Buy a map at the border, it has the locations in Pin Yin (if you can't read this and can't Putonghua, you had better get an experienced guide or not go)

2) Get in a taxi and say "Ha Sha" or "Sha Tsui" or wherever you want to go and if the driver doesn't know get out and get another taxi.

These places are so famous that over 50% of males that line up for taxis at the Huangguan border are headed to one of these locations.

Andrew 2

04-28-05, 07:16

Interested to know if anyone has any information on a place called The Paramount in Shenzhen its supposed to be near to Lou Wu crossing / The Forum Hotel.

Moody

04-28-05, 07:45

Got to try out a new KTV a couple of nights ago. It was at the Dongguan Exhibition International Hotel, also called the Hui Zhan Guo Ji Jiu Dian. It's next to the Exhibition Center in Dongguan City on the Dongguan Dadao. It's a new hotel, I believe it opened this past January. It's also owned by the same people as the Lungchuen International in Humen. When you enter the lobby, you'll recognize it immediately as almost a clone of the Humen hotel.

The KTV must be really popular right now. You guys know how it is. A new place opens up and everyone wants to check it out. Anyway, we got there kinda late, about 9:00 and they ran out of rooms. I have to admit, it's the first time that's happened to me. I've been to places where they've ran out of girls, but never rooms. After about an hour wait in the bar, we got a room. The place is set up very nice, as should be expected since it's new. After a couple of minutes, the mommy came in and started bringing in girls. I have to admit, I was a little disappointed with the selection, but given that've run out of rooms and that it was past 10PM, I can't really complain too much. I presume all the good looking ones were taken already. After a few lineups, I decided on passing on a girl for the night. I was tired already and didn't really feel like taking a girl back. Didn't drink too much that night either. I think 5 guys and 4 girls only drank about 9 bottles of red wine.

I saw a strange incident that night. I was outside the room to take a phone call. A man and a girl were standing outside. The girl looked pretty pissed off and she said something that I didn't understand. The guy replied back something about his shoujie. The girl fired back with a "wo meiyou." Then all of a sudden the guy reaches into his pants, by that I mean his pants and not his pockets, for something and then shoves in into the girls shirt and storms off. The girl stares at the guy for a moment and then reaches into her shirt. It's a purse. Then she reaches back and undoes her bra and starts straightening it out. She shoves her boobs around for a minute and then goes off on her merry way.

From what I can gather, the guy lost his phone and thought the girl took it. In retaliation, he took the girls purse and stuck it in his crotch. I guess eventually the guy decided to give the purse back and stuck it under her bra. Kinda rude.

Anyway, I thought I'd just remind you guys to keep track of your possessions. I'm not saying these girls will take your stuff, because it's never happened to me, and I've had some pretty valuable things laying around. Keep an eye on your stuff so it won't be an issue.

OldAsiaHand

04-28-05, 14:18

Bob,

I checked out Ha Sha once, but IMHO the level of activity (quantity and quality) is a notch below what can be found in Sha Tsui.

For those that cannot read a map, just cross the street in front of the big gate to Sha Tsui and walk down the street next to the bus stop. Eventually, you will hit Ha Sha.

OAH

DayNight

04-29-05, 08:22

Anyway, I thought I'd just remind you guys to keep track of your possessions. I'm not saying these girls will take your stuff, because it's never happened to me, and I've had some pretty valuable things laying around.

A while back we took 2 gals back to a friends place in GZ. One of the gals took his dryer from the bathroom.

But there was a happy ending, he reconstructed that nite and figured it must have been my gal who stool the dryer, so I had to pay for it.

But let's say, leaving the gal alone with my pants whould make me feel very uneasy.

Yellow Fever #2

04-29-05, 12:38

I had a friend who has his pants stolen and lost his wallet in the process.

Try to explain that to the police and your wife...

Moody

04-30-05, 08:40

But let's say, leaving the gal alone with my pants whould make me feel very uneasy.

That's why I always make it a point to have more than one pair of pants with me all the time. ;)

Csun213

04-30-05, 09:03

I have heard that there are some very cheap working girls in the very poor part of town in the Shenzhen area. does anyone know where it is? I have some friends here who wants to see how cheap there girls are and how poor the area is. I think it may be just outside the inspection point. The guy who told us about this part of town was taken there by one of his friends and he can not find it again. Thanks

OldAsiaHand

04-30-05, 09:04

I went to the Jusco area this week with a few mongering buddies. There is plenty of action and I see new shops seem open every time I go lately. One downside was that we found some of the shops/girls quoting higher than normal prices. One girl quoted me 500 RMB which later she claimed was for LT, but I am not sure. She ended up going with me ST for 150 +20 cab fare, but asked me for another 50 since she stayed over the hour limit and needed to pay the lao ban yang. I reluctantly agreed even though was no mention of a time limit when we set off. Then, she started one of those begging for more money trips on me and did not want to leave the room. Finally, I convinced her there was no more coming so she left. This situation really turns me off. I may have even given her a tip (service was pretty good), but when they beg and demand before I even get a chance to, no way.

One of my buddies picked a girl in one shop and she absolutely refused to go for less than 300 ST since he was a foreigner. Twice the going rate. He passed.

IMHO, somebody out there is spoiling the market. The going rate is 150 ST. I sometimes give an extra 50 RMB if the service is exceptional. Let's try to keep it reasonable for everybody.

OAH

Moody

04-30-05, 18:39

i tried out a massage place near my apartment the other day. it's called the shangri-la club in futian. it's somewhere between shedai guangchang and lian he guangchang. it's completely legit massage. as a matter of fact, the resting lounge is unisex and i'd say about 30% of the customers were women. anyway, it's a very good place to go and relax. they have those individual tvs on the lounge chairs that are popping up everywhere lately. the sauna itself is also excellent. the large pool has those chairs with the water jets on them. there were also 3 or 5 (my memory is a bit foggy about this) big screen tvs. if i have a complaint, it's that a small area near one of the corners of the sauna smells like [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109). massage was also good. on a scale from 1-10, i'd give it a 7, but only because the girl talked too much. i've only been there once though, and had only one masseuse so i can't really judge. the tip for the masseuse is 30rmb if you are so inclined. if you don't want to tip her, that's apparently fine too. the total tab, including a 30rmb tip came out to 138rmb. at most places similar to this establishment, it's almost double that. queen sauna is about 250rmb and carnival club is about the same. anyway, it was a good 3 hours in the middle of the night when i couldn't fall asleep.

Lustforthrust

05-01-05, 05:18

Fresh meat has arrived in SZ. This and October 1-10 is the best time to sample the young & ambitious on their “spring-break/autumn-break” hoping to make a couple thousand maos.

Felt like all of HK were headed across the border in search of cheap entertainment. Walls of people everywhere.

Witnessed the trade of a D cup with a classless hip/butt combo as I hit one of the wh0rejoints I patronize. The subject being sold was clearly uncomfortable with the comments of the buyers/sellers; she was fidgeting with her phone.

Had a very compliant cookie from Funan. Took half a dozen shots at her ass (had my forefinger in for a good 2 minutes as I nibbled & sucked on her nipples) and she wouldn’t give in. More ass-grab and dick-sucking later, she finally capitulated. I came as soon as I went in. No boom-boom as such and she was way too tight despite the cream. Also I went limpbizkit much too fast - still, I’m holding off Viagara for atleast another 15 years; it’s a hope!
No John Pussy action with this one.

I plan to hit SZ everyday Mon-Fri. 70 minutes each way door-to-door plus $200

TangZhen

05-02-05, 09:01

I agree with OAH that Jusco is doing ok, although there is a bit of a YanDa going on even there. One girl told me that there had been some show arrests and a shop or two closed, but it seemed nothing serious as about the normal amount of shops were open.

I had been seeing 2 girls in different shops down there. One is very good looking with a great figure, but much less fun than girl #2 who is nice looking but not near the same figure. OAH, girl #2 is the cute one when I did the pair thing. She is fun in bed and I believe loves sex. After finishing she was checking herself out in the mirror in the room doing her pole dance (no pole alas), it was fun to watch and it was pretty clear she got off on watching herslef being watched. Kinda funny. After the shower I towel whipped her on the ass, but it came off a bit stronger than I had anticipated (funny how a small wet towel when flicked a bit hard can really snap). She was fine, but it left a very small red spot on her ass. I told her she was sure to remember me for a few hours at least. She laughed and nodded her head.

Moody

05-02-05, 13:18

I went to JUSCO to buy some stuff yesterday. I noticed about 50-100 army guys hanging outside in the back. I presume there were more in the front, but I didn't go out that side. I guess Beijing was serious about no more Japanese protests.

Lately, everytime I talk to a girl (either from KTV or massage), I ask about how they feel about the Japanese. I get the sneaking suspicion that a lot of them think I'm Japanese myself and testing them. Even after I reassure them that I am not Japanese and that Koreans hate Japanese just as much as the Chinese if not more so, they still won't admit to disliking the Japanese. One of them even commented that Japanese cuisine was her favorite. What a load of crap.

TangZhen

05-05-05, 17:16

I went by Jusco the weekend they were schedule to have a demonstration, but it was completely blocked off. I just wanted to go to Watsons and pick up a few things.

I have been blocked from this and quite a few other sites. I have to use a proxy server to reach the site, so I would not be surprised to see a decrease in the posts from here.

Tequila Kid

05-06-05, 05:54

I went by Jusco the weekend of April 16, there was a demonstration and a wall of police surrounding Jusco. All traffic was at a standstill, blocked by the demonstrators on one side and police on the other. Once the demostrators walked onto the park, traffic was flowing again. The mall remained closed, but nothing else happened.

During these times, I hear some Internet traffic is blocked.

What about international SMS, has anyone had trouble sending/receiving international SMS to and from China?

Swiss Brian

05-09-05, 07:25

Hi Fellows,

The V Bar in Crowne Plaza, Shenzhen 3rd floor pool side, 9026 Shennan Road, Overseas Chinese Town is a great place for freebies and cute pro's.

There is a door to the pool and garden side. there are several tables and benches which gives a chance to relax and talk without screaming :)

I went there several time and if you take a seat outside it takes few minutes and a pro's will approaching you. after a short conversation she wil offer her service. I took the chance few weeks ago and left the v bar with a chong qing cutie to my place.

Service 9, looking 10, price good. I paid 300RMB for approx. 3 hour service and taxi 75RMB after we went to a place to eat something we spend 50RMB. Total damage 425RMB with was any RMB worth. i was tired like a hitten dog but i hat to go to a meeting next day 10Am :(

In the following days i met this cutie again and she did not ask for money anymore and she stay the whole night. i gave her 400RMB and after few times of refusing she took it and smile.

There are also many freebies in the V BAR which i will report later about it.

greez

DayNight

05-10-05, 02:55

One of them even commented that Japanese cuisine was her favorite. What a load of crap.

Why is that? I love Sashimi! Udon in a Miso broth are also a favourite. My all time favourite is Nikoyaga, but it's hard to get in restaurant, it's more a home cooking food.

The Century Hotel has quite some good deals on Japanese Cousin. Try it.

And it's good that some Chinese are not biased. Keep in mind that many schools still teach hate in the classroom. Korea is pretty much the same, unfortunately.

Sino View

05-10-05, 03:35

ILately, everytime I talk to a girl (either from KTV or massage), I ask about how they feel about the Japanese. I get the sneaking suspicion that a lot of them think I'm Japanese myself and testing them. Even after I reassure them that I am not Japanese and that Koreans hate Japanese just as much as the Chinese if not more so, they still won't admit to disliking the Japanese. One of them even commented that Japanese cuisine was her favorite. What a load of crap.Ha, ha. I think you have spoken to the wrong person. That is not a good representation of the Chinese thinking. She know nuts about history.

She probably didnt finished middle school. The only things she ever heard about the Japaneses are Toyota, Honda, Sony, Panasonic n sushi.

She speaks from her heart.

Dunderhead

05-10-05, 19:46

Swiss Brian

05-11-05, 07:13

Sino View: I would reckon that she also knows nuts about the sad history of China. Where will we start? Selling your body to Japanese or having your body sold by Japanese? Tian'anmen? Selling children for RMB1,000 (china daily today 10/05/05), outlawing brothers or sisters (wtf?), Tibet, creating the world's largest and most 'featherlite' economic bubble. Gleaming office towers with workers asleep on desks behind the facade, banks that don't know banking and a population so devoid of any knowledge belief or faith that, they call Africa 'bad land' in a literal translation. Hang your head in shame whilst opening your legs to the world Zhong Guo. You are being fucked again. 'To Get Rich is Glorious' - what a fucking idiot. To Get Rich Takes Time - Faulk.Faulk

I agree 100% this is a very sad side of China.

When i was in Shenzhen, all friends of me I could fuck for free. I tell you its so easy to get a fuck for free. 10-12 girls in 2 weeks all know each other and are friends. Non pro's normalos.

Its cool and horny but frankly speaking there is somethin wrong with that culture?

zai jian

Travel Dog

05-11-05, 10:14

Swiss and Faulk
I think you are reading too much into this. Sino is right. Most common people don't know or think about these things. They just want to get through the day and have some fun.

There is a reason why there are a billion and a half Chinese. They love to fuck. And what's wrong with that?. Not being guilt ridden and shamed liked western cultures are is a refreshing change. Just enjoy it.

Just my POV
TD

Dunderhead

05-11-05, 14:44

Santa

05-11-05, 15:50

China's education system deteriorated during the Civil War, the Japanese Invasion and the Cultural Revolution. Now it is rapidly recovering. China is producing four times as many engineers as the USA and new high tech jobs are going to the middle kingdom.

The population of China exploded as a result of the lack of birth control and education during the ignorance and chaos of the Cultural Revolution, not because the "chinese love sex". Unfortunately, Mao encouraged them to have lots of babies.

The western Judeo Christian tradition regards sex as dirty and sinful.The "pleasures of the flesh" are believed to be bad, while the "pleasures of the soul" are thought to be good. Maybe this dualistic philosophic ignorance explains why westerners are so inhibited sexually.

Sino View

05-12-05, 02:52

Hammerz

05-12-05, 08:57

Hi,

I will be in Shenzhen for business starting 5/22 until the morning of 5/26. Can anyone be kind enough to provide some tips for places to pick up the cuties and a nice bar/club w/ music to drink after the long work hours? I was in SZ a few years ago, but it was strictly business. This trip will be have both. Thanks in advacne for all your help.

Also if anyone is in the area and would like to hook up, please PM or email me.

Dunderhead

05-12-05, 19:01

Member #3919

05-12-05, 19:31

Swiss brian,

12 in 2 weeks! Why pay? Tell me, how old are you/ weight etc. I'm planning a trip.

Bill Lee

05-12-05, 20:21

Sorry Faulk. But like everywhere else in this world, there is shame attached in prostitution in China. I can't imagine any parent proudly telling their friends and relatives that their daughter is a ho.

It's just done and accepted for the money.

Bill

Sinoview: I have been to almost all of the countries you mention, but none of them are like China. China has a unique take on prostitution, in that everyone is on the game (males and females, or associated to it). It is just a way of earning more/any money with no shame attached.

Mind you, have you ever wondered why you never see half cast children in China where condoms are not compulsory? Abortions are pretty easy in a country with no aids and a one child policy. It is also true that several Chinese girls prefer lying down to sitting at a sewing machine if they can for money. Most like kneeling up though.

RasSpewtin

05-12-05, 21:04

There is no guilt in this although could you name any other country with the same loss of face? Its just money. 1.3bn people is not because a love ofsex, its because a lack of education. China gets the gold on being the world's most un-educated people, and that is why anyone can go there and fuck them for free. Japs an all.

I am disgusted with Faulk's view on the Chinese, and I will offer a few observations before suggesting that this move to the forum on Chinese Women and Opinions. Jackson knows that I do not participate in flame wars, so I apologize in advance if the following is a little borderline.

Faulk, you clearly look down on the Chinese culture, and that is sad. You marvel at how easy it is to get laid in China, and then you turn around and ask if there is something wrong with the culture that so many women will sleep with you. I think that if any of the women took the time to get to know you, they probably would have declined the opportunity.

Your claim that the Chinese are the most uneducated people in the world is ridiculous. I have dated many women and girls in China, and almost all of them were taking night school while they also worked a full time job. Of all of the nations that I have visited, the Chinese are the most anxious to improve their education.

You talk about how strange it is that China has a one child law; “outlawing brothers or sisters (wtf?)” were your exact words. This shows me that you are painfully ignorant of China’s acute overpopulation problem, and how much they needed this law. Besides, have you ever taken the time to talk to a young couple about having a second child? Most of them will tell you that they don’t want a second child, because they know that they cannot sustain the economic burden. It also tells me that you have not spoken to any girls about their backgrounds in detail. If you had, you would find that girls from the smaller villages still have brothers and sisters. Amazing what you can learn when you ask a few questions and then actually listen to the answers.

I sincerely hope that you, and all people like you who can not see past the first superficial layer of the culture, will stay in your country and let the Chinese do what they do best. And right now, they are preparing to become the next world economic superpower. Don’t believe me? Just you wait and see.

Raz

Rickyeoh99

05-13-05, 01:34

Raz and Bill, I totally agree with you guys' views. I think that what Faulk has written is rather degrading. I think he should do his homework on China before commenting on the level of education of the Chinese people in China.

I am sorry if I have offended you, Faulk. It's my point of view.

Sino View

05-13-05, 03:49

Sinoview: I have been to almost all of the countries you mention, but none of them are like China. China has a unique take on prostitution, in that everyone is on the game (males and females, or associated to it). It is just a way of earning more/any money with no shame attached.

Mind you, have you ever wondered why you never see half cast children in China where condoms are not compulsory? Abortions are pretty easy in a country with no aids and a one child policy. It is also true that several Chinese girls prefer lying down to sitting at a sewing machine if they can for money. Most like kneeling up though.Sorry Faulk,

What have said is total outrages and grossly over blown?

You must mixing with "the very low end" of the society? You sound like you are staying and moving around the "red" light district only in China?

You please open your eyes and ears to the real world and not just "bonking" and soaking yourself in the red lights district.

Sorry if I sound offensive, but I think you're just walking with your eye closed.

DayNight

05-13-05, 04:36

China gets the gold on being the world's most un-educated people.....

China sure do have the highest number of un-educated people. The also have the highest number of educated people.

When it comes to total numbers in population then China has the highest number in about anything.

But talking about a percentage breakdown then your statement is wrong, There are many III.world countries below Chinas educational level.

=============

Talking about prostitution, and why girls do it, it's the money of course!

I mean, who in China can chat all day with their new friends, do maybe 1 hour work a day, has flexy time, and get a salary above any factory worker?

If you offer a factory job to any of those girls the chance that she will refuse will be very high. It's about money, and just the money.

Santa

05-13-05, 06:30

I will offer a few observations before suggesting that this move to the forum on Chinese Women and Opinions. Jackson knows that I do not participate in flame wars, so I apologize in advance. Raz

I enjoy reading these little disputes concerning culture, morality, history, politics, sexual norms, etc. They just seem to flare up here and there, usually in the wrong forum. I think that's ok. I enjoy the opportunity of joining in and learning from the arguments.

Wrong forum or not, I love this website!

Faulk. It's ok to say the wrong thing sometimes, it's part of the learning experience and sometimes stimulates good debate. The important thing is that it's an interesting learning experience.

And the best part? Learning where to find the girls!

Hammerz

05-13-05, 08:36

Hi,

Can anyone comment on the Dragon Spring Hotel on Renmin Road in Longhua? It's a pretty new and nice hotel (so I have been told). Are there any interesting places around this area? I tried searching all the pages but could not find any info on this particular hotel. Thanks in advance for any information.

HammerZ

OldAsiaHand

05-14-05, 16:23

Gentlemen:

I agree that P4P in China is purely about the money and taking an easier path towards a better life.

OAH

OldAsiaHand

05-14-05, 16:32

Went with party of 4 white guys and one overseas Chinese guy. It was raining pretty hard so we did not have trouble with the Bao An. 3 of the group threw in the towel due to the weather. The two of us left picked a couple of girls offered by one mama and went upstairs.

Total GFE. I even broke my rule of no DATY with this one. She gave such great BBBJ, including some of the best deep throat and AR I have ever experienced. I had to tell her to stop before I blew my load. She just couldn't get enough of the FS. She wanted it in every position she could think of. I managed to hold off for about 30 minutes before I let go.

Definitely worth a repeat visit.

OAH

OldAsiaHand

05-14-05, 16:38

I reckon the party is over in this area. I was there around 11:00pm and nearly all the BBS were closed, including the HJ only joints. I found 2 or 3 shops still open on the east side of WalMart, but everything in the alleys was shut too. There are 2-3 shops still open near the wet market across the street. I was told for a second time that the closed shops will not reopen.

OAH

Acer V

05-15-05, 02:43

I finally tried the massage shop across from CITIC Plaza. It has been previously described here with the waterfall in the window and next to the dental shop.

When I first walked in I spotted a smiling Sichuan girl, not the best looking but something told me she would perform. I was in the mood for a good cleaning. I picked right. Fantastic BJ and AR. Nearly blew my load with her tonge stuck way up my ass. I tried a little ass play while riding her doggie. She seemend to like it. Flipped her over and stuck the head of my dick inside her butt. She then demanded another RMB 100 which by this time I couldnt refuse. She was tight. I only got it in half way. She said it needed more lubricant so she pulled my dick out, moved me up and using her mouth wet the condom with her saliva. A true champion! I had no problem penetrating her fully after this. After 5-10 minutes of very good anal in several positions including some reverse cowgirl, I blew my load.

This was expensive for SZ: 50 for the room, 200 for FS and 100 extra for the back door. In this case it was very much worth it. This particular lady was as enthusiastic as I have ever had. She was there for the money but she made it appear as though she loved every minute of it.

Mark Mason

05-15-05, 09:09

finbding a new area is not so big news in china where it is everywhere, but someone might be interested in a small area very near the lowu border. it is off of the east side renmin road almost directly across from the shangrila hotelor just a few meters beyond it. there is a large construction site and then a small road leading in just before the jinghu hotel. there are 9 or 10 small pink blocks set behind the construction site. lots of street girls, bbs, massage places and mamasans. quite a lively little scene during the night but action during the morning as well for you early birds. usual prices: rmb150 total - 100 for girl and 50 for room/house cut. cheaprep001es can negotiate a massage for 25 and save the room cost. good variety/ met 2 girls who said they were virgins and only did hj but offered to get their friendtojoin for 100 more.

Jack The Lad

05-17-05, 11:43

Mark Mason

05-19-05, 15:31

Hi guys,

I'm usually over the HK side of the border but do travel to ShenZhen every so often. Just read a few of the post here and realised how much cheaper it is across the border! I fancy some of the action here but not too keen on going too far from the LoWu border incase I get lost. Read Mark Masons post which is a good start but don't know the area very well. Does anyone have anymore info on the area immediately after coming out of the HK/China Border control?

Thanks in advance,

JackJust walk past the Shangrila Hotel along Jianshe Lu and you will be approached by dozens of mamasans offering young ladies to you up in the high rises for RMB100 for "sex one time." This is less than a five minute walk from the borderr. Some of the mamasans have the ladies living with them and others will have make a call when you tell them what kind of lady you want. If you don't like the first few they will keep calling. There are some real gems especially if you like them young and inexperienced.

Have fun.

Post your experiences for all to share.

Swiss Brian

05-20-05, 21:41

Swiss brian,

12 in 2 weeks! Why pay? Tell me, how old are you/ weight etc. I'm planning a trip.Hello Fred18,

Why pay? Yeah, sometimes I pay too. Because you can not allways have freebies when you want. This just happens and need more time to "prepare" ;)

I'm 38yrs, 178cm, 74kg's and athletic body. Anything more you wanna know about me? ;) I guess not. Just go to the serious place like V-Bar or the Tepaniaky retaurant in She Kou. Around this area you can "become a friend" with several girls. Just show up frequently, always at the same time and start to talk, invite after a while to the V-Bar. They will not come alone and you have "2 friends" allready ;) After few times going out you will have many "friends" and then start to play the game. Be smart and respectful to each of them, treat them good and you'l make it.

Greez and have success.

Sorry about my poor english. :(

Brian

Superforce99

05-23-05, 16:30

took two visits to the the infamous sha tsui area ("sandy lips"), once on friday night and once on saturday afternoon. seems like a little bit of change, if i'm not mistaken.

on friday night, about 10pm, i was able to sneak away for a bit. headed directly to sandy lips for a pleasure break. the scene was typical: plenty of young, attractive gals walking about or hanging around in bunches with random guys walking about or hanging around in bunches. but it seemed to me noticeably less gals, and hence guys. nothing else out of the ordinary so walked around for 5 minutes then just went with the first mamasan that approached me. my opinion is that regardless of the mamasan, you'll get relatively the same selection of gals; what makes a difference is what physical area the mamasan is. so if you go to any random mamasan in a one walking-block area, chances are good that you'll see 90-95% of the same gals in their lineups. if you want a wider selection, then go at least 4-5 blocks away from wherever just saw the lineup. also, remember to be specific about what kind of gal you want. it'll save headaches later on, and i should have followed my own advice, but i was in a rush because i hadn't had a chance to moger for a few weeks.

out of one small lineup, i chose one to "relax" in preparation for second fs. she was petite hunan gal, about 5'2, 100 lbs., and tight, proportiate body. nothing special, but cute and attractive. after shower, discovered that her drawback was unwilling to do bbj...what the hell? never had that happen in sandy lips before, but after a little bit of pushing, she compromised by offering "bareback ball licking"...and yes, i had to restrain myself from laughing outloud. anyway, good bbbl with covered bj and then sop sex.

i asked her what was going on with the lack of working gals. she said there was a recent crackdown on **** gals (below 17) and gals without shenzhen hukou. she was proud to tell me she was 18 and had a shenzhen hukou. you go girl!

afterward, i walked around for about 15 minutes then contacted a regular gal i've been seeing in sandy lips for several weeks now. perfect gfe for me; a tall gal with some meat but not fat...5'8 sichuan honey with large breasts, long legs, and most importantly, loves sex and shows it with dfk, bbbj, multiple positions, multiple orgasms for both, and standard 150 rmb price, though i always give a 50 rmb tip.

went back to sandy lips on saturday afternoon at about 4pm, but at that time, there were noticably less gals than ever. went to 4 mamasans and the lineups only averaged 5-6 gals instead of the usual 10-15, and quality was noticably lower than usual. decided to repeat session with my sichuan regular which was heavenly again.

was in contact with oah earlier today and he was heading to sandy lips so maybe he can update the situation there.

from,

jk

OldAsiaHand

05-24-05, 11:43

Pulled into the area around 7:30pm with another monger buddy. I can confirm Johnny's report that there seemed to be less girls than usual and the quality was below normal.

Saw a few Bao An on the main drags but we tried to keep out of their line of sight by darting in and out of the alleys. I ran across a previous GFE, but neglected to repeat. We were there about 10 minutes when a motorcycle cop (the real thing) started riding up and down the alleys lights flashing. Girls scurrying away running in all directions. Time for us to exit fast.

We went over to the less travelled lane and went up for a line-up with a mamasan I had used before. She brought a selection of 15-20 girls but the quality was just average.

We made our selections. I picked a slim, taller, girl with a really cute face. I confirmed BBBJ was available before undressing. All four of us took a shower at the same time and we proceeded to separate rooms for the deed.

It all went downhill from there. It was rushed from the start. First, she tried for CBJ which I refused. The BBBJ was worthless; choking, spitting and asking every 30 seconds if I had enough. When I told her no she acted if I was asking her to jump out the window. On goes a condom so tight it cut off the circulation. She orders me on top. The pain complaints started from the moment I entered and did not stop. I tried doggy for about 10 seconds and she jumped away. Turned her over and did her missionary again while she kept asking me to finish fast since it hurt too much. To top it all off, she had told me she had been with lao wais before.

Total waste of 160 RMB. For some reason I could not decipher, the mommy asked for an extra 10 RMB this time. When I left, I told the mamasan about the worthless service. She offered me another girl, but I did not enquire if it was free of charge. I just called it a night and left the area. I had been on a pretty great service run that came to an abrubt end.

OAH

Lustforthrust

05-26-05, 08:19

What OAH described happened to me twice in one evening.

I had enough, pulled out of the condom (no cum), wore my clothes and decided to step out, all the while I heard the beeyatch screaming MON-AY (French accent). I have known her pimp since '94 (my 1st ever in China - I was suckered into 800 kuai) who to the wh0re's surprise went Swiss on her.

Anywho, we got the show onto the lift bank. Takes for ever these things in China. Meanwhile she's joined by other waifs - one of whom called me "kutta" - whatever that meant. When the lift finally made it, she stuck her foot in the door.
Not worth the shit but with adrnaline pumping, I wouldn't have hesistated to put four-finger ring through her mouth. She backed down when indicated this to her in the crudest form of sign language.

Sam Fisher

05-30-05, 09:12

OldAsiaHand

05-31-05, 12:58

Can anyone tell me what the going rate shoud be to take a girl back to your hotel for all night from the bars in shoku? I am talking about the bars where the girls will drink with you and play the dice games.

I went there a coouple of times last year. I think i paid 1000rmb the first time and 600 rmb the second. I really can't remember because I had to much to drink.

Fisher

Fisher,

I paid 600 RMB once a few years back when staying at the Nanhai Hotel around the corner, but I was a newbie in the area at the time. I've heard of regulars paying only 300-400 RMB LT recently. I suppose it depends on the time of night and your negotiating skills.

OAH

LoveAsia

06-01-05, 14:59

Went for a veggie massage near Justco today. Asked for the 80RMB for 2 hours (full bed, private room). The girl spoke most of the time, and kept trying to coax me into a HJ. I didn't want one so I didn't ask the price. I think most of the saunas in that area offer at least HJ. This one is across the street from the Southwest corner of Seibu. Place is pretty beat as far as looks go. The massage was pretty good considering.

LA

Nepa Guy

06-03-05, 01:08

I was in Shenzhen a few weeks ago and stayed at the Novotel Bauhinia. I think it is a new hotel and quite nice but nothing happening in the bar at night. I was busy with work and caught a cold so I didn't have much time to play. I did try the hotel massage service. The price was 200Yuan for the massage. She didn't speak any english. At the end of the massage, she pulled out a condom and wrote down prices for me. 1500Y for sex and 800Y for a hand job. I tried negotiating with some difficulty. She came down to 1200Y for a screw before I got tired and sent her away.

Dragon Slayer

06-03-05, 01:17

Pals,

Took over 18 months and five sparate trips to China but I finally landed an "open entry" VISA, courtesy of the Consul in San Francisco. As it is, I spent the entire last Trip in the Phils as my "Shanghai Baby" (named her as she has the same name as the Girl in Wei Hui's novel by this name. Also looks like girl on jacket cover) became ill and left for her Home in Sichuan Province. Left me no desire to visit China then.

Now is another Matter. She is back but must work and can get no leave during my Trip as she took all her leave to go home and recover. So, I will check out the scene a little. I always stay now at Empire Hotel in Lou Huo (across from Tradtional Chinese Medicine hosp & Post Office). Place has a Massage Service. Girls at the Stand in the Lobby are gorgeous. Has anyone tried this Massage yet? Just curious.

My big problem is my mandarin is just enough to get me around (Shanghai Baby works in English Language School). Is there an Ex-pat hangout in Lou Huo? Any hot ladies at the Shangri-la Hotel in the early evening? I will need to keep occupied for 10 hours a day. Naturally, I think of my cock first (can't be selfish now).

Anyone wanting to hook up in late June or early July let me know. I maigh even go to Nanning for a couple days as I met a few girls from there on the chinese chats rooms.

Dragon Slayer

OldAsiaHand

06-04-05, 04:37

Nepa Guy,

These girls play on the fact that many mongers are afraid to venture outside for service. The prices she offered you are a joke. There is a wealth of information on this thread on how to enjoy FS in Shenzhen for a fraction of hotel massage girl prices. And, you can get two hours of massage for as low as 48 RMB.

Just my POV.

OAH

I was in Shenzhen a few weeks ago and stayed at the Novotel Bauhinia. I think it is a new hotel and quite nice but nothing happening in the bar at night. I was busy with work and caught a cold so I didn't have much time to play. I did try the hotel massage service. The price was 200Yuan for the massage. She didn't speak any english. At the end of the massage, she pulled out a condom and wrote down prices for me. 1500Y for sex and 800Y for a hand job. I tried negotiating with some difficulty. She came down to 1200Y for a screw before I got tired and sent her away.

Dragon Slayer

06-06-05, 03:14

OldAsiaHand's reply to the guy below does not bode well for my inquiry about massage and extra service at Empire Hotel. My thinking is that since virtually no one in my Hotel speaks any english and it caters primarily to Chinese travellers, the fees might be less. Women are gorgeous in massage. The Bar on the third floor gets a crowd in the evening. Once when we inquired they even told us not to bother to go there as it was packed full of customers with no place to sit. I might try this when waiting around in the evening. It has worked before.

Shangri la Hotel used to be good for meeting women in the evening at the Bar. I will Post back on this afterwards.

Dragon Slayer

OldAsiaHand

06-06-05, 13:40

I woke up one night with a hard on and called the hotel massage service in a 4-star hotel in Shenzhen. Same deal, 200 RMB for 90 minutes and 500 RMB for a HJ. No BJ or FS was available. There are SW all around the hotel for 100-200 RMB FS. Put on my clothes and went out to pick one up. Was doing the deed within 15 minutes. On the other hand, I can understand that some are willing to pay for convenience and piece of mind.

Dragon Slayer,

Sorry, never tried the services at the Empire Hotel massage place. Please let us know about the pricing. I reckon it will be about the same. Chinese speakers can be willing to pay as much or more than anyone.

There is an English speaking mamasan with apartment girls that works the street up from the Shangri-La. Check your PM for the contact.

I am not sure if Henry J. Beans is still open at the Shangri-La. I was by there a few months ago and they were shut. Looking forward to your report on the place.

OAH

LoveAsia

06-07-05, 11:20

I was in desperate need of a massage these days and tried out a place in Futian. Nice place..very hotel like (4 star). It is near Peking University Hospital on (heading west on Lianhua Road) after Jintian Road (1/4 mile). Alittle steep but it was convenient at the time. 288RMB for private room, bathroom with shower. Tiping optional. The massage was a bit rushed and the girl was dressed in a white dress with lots of cleavage. Her hands were not shy so obviously more was available. The massage girl was around a 7 in looks but had a nice rack. I could have asked for another but since I only wanted a massage it didnt matter. So far the last 4 places I have gone for massage, all 4 were offering more (HJ).

Jbecker

06-08-05, 04:57

This might a bit off topic, but let me still write...

There was an article in our domestic newspaper where a reporter visited one sex toy factory in Shenzhen, Shaki...

The owner of the factory told that Europeans and Americans want more authentic looking dildos as Japanese are more conservative.

Very popular toys in Japan are vibrators where the clitoris stimulus looks like dolphin or some cartoon figure.

According to the Chinese authorities more than 70 percent of sex toys are made in China. Also according to them there are more than 8000 sex toy shop in China, that is a very good business because the margin is high and customers are often too shy to complain about the quality. And that demand is rising especially for the products targeted to women because in Chinese culture women are not easy to find "satisfaction".

The workers told to the reporter they are too shy to mention their parents or family where they are working.

In the end the owner told that most innovative ideas come from US where are transported sex toys like small blown pigs and sheeps: as the owner describes: that kind of small animals where is a hole in the back side...

Aren't Americans weird :)

James Cook

06-08-05, 08:24

OldAsiaHand

06-08-05, 11:28

Last evening, when I made my way home after work arround 8 PM, I saw dozens of street walkers standing beside the road. Its near the guanxia village, shekou area. I got off the 355 bus at the stop, I approached some of the chicks, some are nice looking, some are a little old, about 28 or 30( older than me). They charge only 50-100RMB ST for the local, I have no clue how much they nail a foreigner. Its pretty dark, so its hardly to see faces clear. And since I got a "GF" waiting at my apartment, I end my inspecting, and decide to pick up one on this weeken. Any risk following a SW into her room or rental apartment? Anyone had some experience?

James

James,

Beware of offers for cheap service at the SW's place. Too many scams going on in Shenzhen. You may end up with unwanted visitors claiming to be police and asking for money. I never follow a SW to her place.

OAH

LoveAsia

06-08-05, 13:15

Last evening, when I made my way home after work arround 8 PM, I saw dozens of street walkers standing beside the road. Its near the guanxia village, shekou area. I got off the 355 bus at the stop, I approached some of the chicks, some are nice looking, some are a little old, about 28 or 30( older than me). They charge only 50-100RMB ST for the local, I have no clue how much they nail a foreigner. Its pretty dark, so its hardly to see faces clear. And since I got a "GF" waiting at my apartment, I end my inspecting, and decide to pick up one on this weeken. Any risk following a SW into her room or rental apartment? Anyone had some experience?James

Last year a friend from Taiwan went alone to a mamasan's house and was help captive for over 24 hours until his bank cards maxed out that day. I think its risky going anywhere yourself. Also, even if you have been frequenting a place and have what you think is a good relationship with the mamasan or papasan, its no guarantee for your safety. When I mongered I always had friends with me.

Dutchman

06-08-05, 21:29

Last year a friend from Taiwan went alone to a mamasan's house and was help captive for over 24 hours until his bank cards maxed out that day. I think its risky going anywhere yourself. Also, even if you have been frequenting a place and have what you think is a good relationship with the mamasan or papasan, its no guarantee for your safety. When I mongered I always had friends with me.

Definitely travel alone in Shenzhen is dangerous. Not even the HK people dare to travel alone in Shenzhen. If you are in group, is great to visit Futian district Shenzhen. A men’s paradise. If not, I recommend Da Mei Sha. A small village not very far from Shenzhen (RM100 taxi fee). Nice/cheap hotels with KTV, cafe, Disco. Fresh seafood restaurant. Nice long beach. The great part is, you can rental a camping tent for overnight, or for short time. Camping tent short time?? What do I mean? In the summer time, the beach is full of girls. Once you (able to) pick one, you can do your need in the tent. An apart experience!

Remember Every female is a possible target, the trick is how you communicate.

Dutchman

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Lustforthrust

06-09-05, 07:24

Definitely travel alone in Shenzhen is dangerous. Not even the HK people dare to travel alone in Shenzhen.
Baloney!

If not, I recommend Da Mei Sha. A small village not very far from Shenzhen (RM100 taxi fee).
Right, a 2 hour taxi-ride for 100 kuai when pussy's in your lap 5 minutes after exiting the Chinese Customs in Lowu.

Tequila Kid

06-09-05, 07:33

Any leads on where in Shenzhen I can find decent band playing western music.

I know about Crowne Plaza, but lately its gotten way too crowded. Not my style these days.

If not in Shenzhen, how about surrounding area like guanzhou or zhuhai?

TK

Lustforthrust

06-09-05, 07:36

Tequila Kid

06-09-05, 07:40

I sometimes stay at Crowne Plaza, recently I noticed many hawkers accross the street from the Crowne, handing out name cards with ladies pic and phone numbers. Some have told me the girls speak english.
Occupied with my girlfriend the last couple of visits, I did not have opportunity to risk the adventure.

Has anybody tried? are they legit workers (I mean not scams)?

TK

Peter Eastwest

06-09-05, 10:24

. Any risk following a SW into her room or rental apartment? Anyone had some experience?

James

James Cook,

Don't do it!. Too risky! See my reports from last October. Personal experience in SZ makes me cautious. ALWAYS use your hotel or do it in the BBS NEVER go to gir's apartment. Never!

My posts from October read:
"I have had SWs from the MacDonalds forecourt and taken them back to hotel usually costing 100-200 RMB for a full night. And they all performed very well. Some of them let me shave them but some Chinese girls don't like to be shaved. In China they count as "White Tigers" if they have no pussy hair and a White Tiger is bad luck

I have probably had twenty or 15 girls there and only one was a bad experience. Picked her up at MacDonalds front and went to her room with her. I paid her 100 for 1 hour and we had great sex - she was really good, a beauty, did everything I wanted. (But the room had no AC and it was hot.) When I finished I showered (taking my wallet with me, as I had done before the sex) and then paid her the RMB100 and then put the wallet in my pants pocket. I got dressed, left and, on the way back to the hotel, stopped for a soda - only to find about RMB1000 and HK$1200 missing from wallet. There must have been someone UNDER the bed all the time and he or she cleaned out my money. I went back and banged on the door but there was nobody answering. I picked the lock and went in. Empty room. I trashed the room That'll teach them. So - Never take a risk. Always take the girl to hotel. Have fun guys!

Re SW Scam. As I mentioned in my earlier post I took wallett into shower before sex and again after sex and then I paid her when I came out of the shower. I put the wallet in pants pocket an left pants on floor while I dried off and dressed. (She only gave me a small towel so it took some time to dryoff) But the SW was in my sight all the time as she dressed too. I even helped her to zip up dress. So there was a guy or girl under the bed. What a job that must be! I can undersatnd a girl who earns a couple of hundred RMB a month in a factory seeing a pile of money in a john's wallet and spontaneously stealing it but this action was preplanned. Anyway - like I said, when I went back they were gone or hiding somewhere in the house. The neighbour opened the metal gate to the two apartments/rooms and let me in and I picked open the rooms lock with CCard and found it empty so I trashed it well. The woman in next room watched and smiled as I did it - she must have known what they had been doing - maybe for years - and she apporove my action. Gave me some pleasure and would certainly have cost them more than the couple of thouand HK$/RMB they stole from me to repair and replace.

So - you travelers to China. Beware of SWs working out of own rooms . Always use hotel or larger BBS they are safer options. Happy hunting.

BTW that girl gave me great sex despite her planning to steal my money she was a real stunner and had a wonderful body and great mover. beautiful 9 face too."

LoveAsia

06-09-05, 12:18

Baloney!

Right, a 2 hour taxi-ride for 100 kuai when pussy's in your lap 5 minutes after exiting the Chinese Customs in Lowu.

Are you a resident of Shenzhen? If not I don't think your perspective on what is safe here has merit. I am a resident for 4 years now. Yes there are safe places to go, but there are many unsafe areas and situations that you can find yourself if you monger alone.

Mongering near the Luohu train station is really suited for visitors to Shenzhen not familiar with more interesting, nicer areas. Dutchman pointed out a very nice area in Shenzhen where an overnight trip would be enjoyable for many visitors.

If you travel to more residential areas of Shenzhen (Futian, Nanshan) you can find nicer places to play. Today I went for another massage at a place I had gone to in the past. Kind of old but quiet area in Futian. I opted for the VIP room...150RMB for 90 minutes. Hotel like room with clean, small plastic shower. Only one thing...VIP room offers no massage. FS only...500RMB to the girl and 150 to the house. The place is just off of Shenan Road after the Wenzhou Guest House but before the Motorola Building. If anyone is interested in specifics PM me and I will help you out.

OAH, I don't know if you recall but I told you nearly 2 years ago that my mongering days were over...I guess I stumbled back in today. Oh well.

LA

Lustforthrust

06-09-05, 13:04

Are you a resident of Shenzhen? If not I don't think your perspective on what is safe here has merit. I am a resident for 4 years now. Yes there are safe places to go, but there are many unsafe areas and situations that you can find yourself if you monger alone.

Mongering near the Luohu train station is really suited for visitors to Shenzhen not familiar with more interesting, nicer areas. Dutchman pointed out a very nice area in Shenzhen where an overnight trip would be enjoyable for many visitors.

Can you name one place that is safe for everyone, everywhere and all the time. No? Didn't think so.

The monger was suggesting that Shenzhen was dangerous - that is clearly crap. To each his own and all but I see nothing logical in travelling 2 hours to fcuk when it's available right there, in under 10 minutes. And, there's no telling that the "very nice" place may not see it's share of danger in the form of scams, gangs & vicebusts - now is there?

LoveAsia

06-09-05, 13:27

Can you name one place that is safe for everyone, everywhere and all the time. No? Didn't think so.

Correct me if I am wrong: when Dutchman posted the following:
Definitely travel alone in Shenzhen is dangerous. Not even the HK people dare to travel alone in Shenzhen. You replied "baloney!". Your reply would seem to indicate that you think it is totally safe. Now you say no place is safe everywhere and all the time. Certainly a place is certainly more dangerous if you do not speak the language.

The monger was suggesting that Shenzhen was dangerous - that is clearly crap. /QUOTE]

Clearly you do not have a clue.

[QUOTE=Huitzli Smokapetl]To each his own and all but I see nothing logical in travelling 2 hours to fcuk when it's available right there, in under 10 minutes. And, there's no telling that the "very nice" place may not see it's share of danger in the form of scams, gangs & vicebusts - now is there?

Danger is everywhere, my friend. Welcome to China! I am more than happy to hear you will be staying near Luohu customs.

LA

Lustforthrust

06-09-05, 17:26

It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel.

Correct me if I am wrong: when Dutchman posted the following:
Definitely travel alone in Shenzhen is dangerous. Not even the HK people dare to travel alone in Shenzhen. You replied "baloney!". Your reply would seem to indicate that you think it is totally safe.

No! My reply indicates that, "that Shenzhen is dangerous & not even Hk people dare.....blah, blah, blah" is B A L O N E Y

Clearly you do not have a clue.

Danger is everywhere, my friend. Welcome to China! I am more than happy to hear you will be staying near Luohu customs.

LA

Clearly, you are gutless.

Don't talk to strangers.

And yes, welcome to China and I don't give a rat's ass for the 4 years you been in Shenzhen.

RasSpewtin

06-09-05, 20:49

Guys:

It's all well and good to have a disagreement, but let's keep the flame wars to a minimum, please.

Let's not turn this into a repeat performance of the Thailand board. The Thailand board on WSG had so many flame wars that it was getting difficult to find any useful information about Thailand. In fact, it got so bad that they actually created a separate thread just for the on-going flame wars.

I have met some good buddies through the SZ board, and over the years things have been really civil here. Let's keep it that way. If we have a new visitor drop by and stir things up, let's put it in context before loading the guns.

Raz

RasSpewtin

06-09-05, 20:56

Tequila Kid:

I have seen the hawkers across from the Crowne Plaza handing out "business cards".

No, I have not tried them, because I have learned to trust my instincts when I travel. They are likely targeting what they perceive as affluent travelers at the hotel, and prices will reflect that. And I know that this may sound flaky, but I get a bad vibe about most of these hawkers, and I have learned to trust my vibes, too.

Raz

RasSpewtin

06-09-05, 21:09

Tequila Kid:

Try the True Colour Bar in Dong Men. There are 3 night clubs one one floor: live rock band in a sit-down setting (often Euro bands playing western music), lounge duo in a piano bar (mostly soft western music), and a disco dance club.

You can chat up a girl in the disco, and ask her if she wants to accompany you to watch the band, or go to the lounge and get comfortable. A great place for variety, and to allow you to practice being a player.

Raz

Tequila Kid

06-10-05, 00:50

Raz,
I was at the True Color bar in Louhu this past Tues night, (3-4rd floor, Dongyuan Rd., Luohu). No western band that night, only Chinese rock-and-roll bands.

The The True Color bar in Dongmen, is this the one located 4th Floor, Friendship City Plaza, Jiefeng Lu, Corner of Renmin Gongyuan Lu, Dongmen?

I will try next time I am in town. When are they likely to have western band, weekend?

About the CP hawkers, I get the same vibe. It's too easy to score safely on your own to take these guys serious.

thanks,
TK

Sino View

06-10-05, 06:48

Raz,
I was at the True Color bar in Louhu this past Tues night, (3-4rd floor, Dongyuan Rd., Luohu). No western band that night, only Chinese rock-and-roll bands.

The The True Color bar in Dongmen, is this the one located 4th Floor, Friendship City Plaza, Jiefeng Lu, Corner of Renmin Gongyuan Lu, Dongmen?

TKOn most of the nights a Western Band will perform there, not just on weeekends... No sure why there was none when you were there.

But normally there is only one Western Band out of the three or four bands they had for the whole night. And it's like for a half hour session.

Prado

06-13-05, 16:26

Last year a friend from Taiwan went alone to a mamasan's house and was help captive for over 24 hours until his bank cards maxed out that day. I think its risky going anywhere yourself. Also, even if you have been frequenting a place and have what you think is a good relationship with the mamasan or papasan, its no guarantee for your safety. When I mongered I always had friends with me.Loveasia,

You're scaring me. I always monger alone in SZ. Guess i will just need to take extra precautions from now such as bring enough money for at least 3 shots. I was always worried when I went in for the wash. Normally I will check the whole apartment to see if there's anyone hiding and eliminate the potential of being ticked. See the front door's latched and the wondows closed and latched. Anymore precautions to take?

Dutchman

06-13-05, 21:34

Clearly, you are gutless.

Don't talk to strangers.

And yes, welcome to China and I don't give a rat's ass for the 4 years you been in Shenzhen.[/QUOTE]

Huitzli Smokapetl

I am 99% sure you are not living in Shenzhen and you don't have any idea what the crime density/cruelty is going on near Lowu costum area.

LoveAsia

06-14-05, 01:20

Loveasia,

You're scaring me. I always monger alone in SZ. Guess i will just need to take extra precautions from now such as bring enough money for at least 3 shots. I was always worried when I went in for the wash. Normally I will check the whole apartment to see if there's anyone hiding and eliminate the potential of being ticked. See the front door's latched and the wondows closed and latched. Anymore precautions to take?

Prado,

The safest bet is to go to nicer massage parlors and take the VIP room. In the least they offer HJ and others will offer FS. Usually the massage parlors that are just average to slightly less than average looking will offer more. After being in China for 8 years I can tell you knowing someone is no guarantee that they will not do something to you down the road. Just because you patronize the same mamasan does not protect you. Traveling in 2's or 3's is safest for the mamasan route and if alone I would stick to the massage parlors and even there be careful. Shenzhen attracts a disproportionate amount of bad people who have no value on anyone's life. Just be careful.

LA