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05-18-02, 05:56
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Soulman
05-22-02, 04:30
OK, 1st post!

Anyone know good place to get laid near Windows of the World?

Rtpman
05-23-02, 12:31
There really isn't much around Windows of the World in Shenzhen. You are in a family oriented place. If you are staying at the Crown Plaza, there are some ladies that work the place at night. Look off to where the tables are in the lobby and there is sometimes 2 to 4 girls there.

Better yet get out of that area and either go to the Nan Hai hotel in Shekou and work the girls in the various bars and on the street or go downtown to the Sunshine hotel or Shangri-La hotel. There are freelancers around the hotels and mommies. Be careful as there are plenty of scams.

Erik
05-23-02, 19:55
Can you tell us how to have safe and cheap sex in Shekou, and which scams to avoid ? Are there small red lights barber shops there ? This kind of place is generally the places I like to pick up girls in China : large selection of girls, no hassle, cheap, flexibility, just a mamasan to deal with.
I will be going soon to shenzhen and I have never been to Shekou yet. thanks.

Soulman
05-24-02, 01:40
Rptman,

Thanks for the info. Isn't Crowne Plaza new hotel? I thought many foreign name bing hotels kick out girls from the lobby anc even from bar/discos. I'd like to compare notes and get your mamasan's phone number in SZ area.

Erik,

I can help you with Shekou.

There are barber shops on the street where Walmart is on the same side and you'll see couple near each other on street level with cuties in street clothing and not uniform. Both places are open but there is entrance covered by cloth which I assume you get extra service. Being naive and needing a real haircut bad, I wanted to walk in to one of these 2 but my local girfriend at the time pulled me away saying "go to place where girls wear uniform".

On Shekou, you can find street walkers not on the main alley where the bars are but next street which is large street where taxis que up. Walk up and down that street from the end (to street leading to Nanhai) to good 1/4 mile to McDonalds (near where the ship is stuck on golf course). You'll see girl or two girls standing or walking real slow and if they make eye contact then they are pros. I often see girls standing in front of McDonalds in heavy make up. They range from 4 to 10 and you don't find same girls there everynight except fot the skanky pros who I avoid. There were crackdown before Chinese New Year and last time I was in March, I found 2 ugly girls on the street. You need to ask them if they give blowjob (ask if they "smoke" or point to you dick and suck your finger - funny but it works) as many pros in China find blowjob and for that matter eating pussy to be offensive. Many girls don't french kiss either. On eating pussies, few pros and girlfrined I had trued really hard to stop me in vain but boy did they really enjoy it (and so did I, umm). I guess local guys don't like to go down on these cuties. Oh, price... Ugly one will cost you 200 RMB and cuties 400 RMB in your room. Never and I mean never folow them to their apartment or take a cab to their hole.

I had unforgettable awesome sex with what appeared to be sex starved **** (no kidding!) to real dogs who would just lay there. So it's kind a hard to tell how lucky your date is going to turn out.

Happy Whoring!

Csun213
05-25-02, 06:46
To Soulman, I agree with you in that most of the Chinese men do not go down on the girls because they feel that it is dirty. This is the reason why girls loves to go with foreigners. However the girl must get over their fear of foreigners the first time. Quite a few girls will give BJs however you must make it clear to them that you want BBBJ otherwise you either don't get one or get covered BJ (Just ask RTPMAN). You also must realize that you can not judge a girl by the first experience. If you like a girl then get her a second time and you will be surprised what she will do for you. I have a regular girl that I have been seeing for a while and there is nothing she would not do for me or for RTPMAN.

I have seen quite a few posts on how dangerous China is and how people have been robbed. I have been to quite a few countries and I can tell you that China is one of the most save countries in the world however you must use common sense. How many people will go off with a stranger in Thailand, Philippine other countries or even in the U.S. without a second thought. If you would not do it in other countries then why would you do it in China then be surprised when you get robbed?

There are very, very few real raids in hotels by real cops in China. How many people can write and tell me that they have police knock on their door in the middle of the night to check on their IDs. It just doesn't happen. What normally happens is that someone either the girl or someone else tip off a group of thuds who pretends to be police or real police who is just making money on the side. They know that we will not report this to the police so they get away with it by scaring us. I have know a couple of Taiwan guys who were setup by the girls that they bring to their room. When a raid happens, the hotel staff never knew that it happened. If you get setup you can either give up your money or call the hotel security who do not like their customers bothered this way however I am not sure that the thuds will allow you to use the phone to call hotel security since they want to rob you. My point is that real raids happens very rarely. I have only heard of one case happening in Shenzhen and hotel just about went out of business because no one will stay there again. This happened 3 years ago and even today the hotel still has a high vacancy rate. A real raid will just about kill a hotel's future business. All hotels pay off the police and heads will roll if a raid happens.


Sorry to keep going on and on, it is just that there have been too many posting where people are afraid of going to China or afraid to bring girls back to their rooms. If the girl enters before 11PM and leaves by midnight then there is just about no chance or any problems unless you are setup by the girl. RTPMAN is right that you should not allow a girl to call anyone once they are in your room because you don't know who she is talking to (if you don't know the girl). The safest way is to have some recommend a mamason that they have used before and you should not have any problem. I am sure that there have been enough people going to China that someone should be able to pass a phone number along through private e-mail (not post them).

RTPMAN will post his report on his trip to both Hainan and Shenzhen soon and I think it should be very informative.

Cuteboy
06-01-02, 10:42
Hey all,

Any suggestions for low budget HJ, BJ and ML near the station?

Rtpman
06-03-02, 13:43
Soulman,
Yes, the Crown Plaza just openned up this year. Its right across from Windows of the world. There is also a new amusement park going in near the hotel called Happy Valley.

I was also suprised that this hotel allowed the girls to hang-out there. It can't be an oversight because they are obvious and in direct view of the hotel staff at the registration counter. One of my co-workers says he asked one what the price was and she informed him 800rmb.

You are right in that most of the larger hotels have either forced the girls out or only let 'their girls' work the customers. I know that the Century plaza hotel lets certain girls work their lounge. The Nan Hai is the same.

I went to the Shangri - La with csun and also fellow employees and can confirm that this hotel has ousted the girls from the 'J J Bean' sports bar. A year or so ago it was common to find a dozen or so girls that would seek your company. Its dead now execpt for foreigners looking for food they recognize.

I echo csun's statement that China is a very safe place as long as you apply the same common sense that you would in the states. Most of the time you will never have a problem. You just need to be aware of set-ups and scams.

rtpman

Rtpman
06-03-02, 14:04
CUTEBOY,
What do you consider low-budget? I know csun213 showed me a massage place that gives hj for about 100 rmb. Its not right at the train station but a very short taxi drive over to the main city road Shennan (sp). There is a narrow road next to the Jing Peng hotel. About half way down this block on the opposite side of the road is the massage place. I'm sure there are some closer by but when FS sex is only around 200 - 300 rmb more, a hj didn't seem worth pursuing to me.

I'm only guessing on this but since you have to generally ask a girl if she will give a bj I don't know that you will find a low budget bj place. Its not like Thailand where there are bj bars. In China a girl may give you a bj in addition to FS but generally not instead of FS.

Raskilnikov
06-06-02, 21:08
I know I know I'm going to despise myself for this posting, every time decent info gets posted about a place something always happens to ruin things....either a police raid or foreigners going there and ruining things....anyway....

I was walking home from my usual bus stop on Futian Rd and on the road next to the Sao Paulo nightclub I noticed for the first time a good dozen or more working girls. I'd not seen them before so I'm guessing they'd probably been run off from somewhere else and they setup shop there (maybe only for the night.)

I took the long slow walk up the alley and made the standard
assessment. Girls who won't do foreigners will notice, then look away, the ones who will do westerners will maintain eye contact.
Out of about 11 girls, it seemed that 4 of them were interested. One particular leggy one with long brown hair and wearing hot pants and see-thru blouse held my attention the most, though in my big head I know enough that often it's the most plainly dressed girl even unattractive girl that performs the best and sometimes has the best body hidden beneath the veneer.

I went and said hello and we exchanged cordialities, then she asked me quite directly if she could go home with me. I asked her how much she'd require and after she thought for a moment (sizing me up) she asked for 200 RMB. Of course whatever the asked price, the true price is about half. I always try to be polite when negotiating for that unless the price is outrageous. I said in Cantonese, "wow, that's very great, and you're such a wonderful girl, but unfortunately, I've only got 100 RMB left until payday." I said that if she didn't mind being with me for 100 RMB, then she could follow me home if she liked. I walked in the direction of my place and I heard her walking behind, then in a few moments she ran to catch up with me, she took my hand in hers and smiled happily....we walked in near silence to my apartment. I turned on the air-con and shower while she undressed, I undressed also and tried to pull her into the shower, for a moment she resisted, then she put her hair up
and we showered together. We lathered each other up quite a bit and played at the body rubbing, etc....then towel off and to the bed.

Gentle kissing and touching first, about the ears, neck, shoulder and eyes, then the lips, then the passionate kissing followed by the body groping. Nice large breasts and large brown nipples for a small girl (about 90 lbs) a little sucking, nibbling and tonguing about the nipples followed by a trip to the V-zone which drove her wild. I think she came twice but you can never tell with these girls...she was so wet that she soaked the sheets beneath.

Then when I was finished, she pounced on top of me and started licking along my inner thighs, b@lls and finally she took me inside her mouth. She was well practiced in that skill and extremely proficient. She went at it like a machine. I would have lost it all had I not slowed her down and then had to pull her off me finally. I pulled a latex out of my nightstand drawer (she didn't care whether I used one or not...but I care) and she helped me put it on. Then the oil on top (you won't get anywhere with a chinese girl if you don't have some lube, they're very small and tight).

I went inside her and I could see the expression of pain on her face for about the first 5 minutes, then she began to relax after that and enjoy it. Moaning and the standard sounds. We did 4-5 positions about 10 minutes each position then I finally let myself go. Afterwards we lay together for about half an hour, cuddling and cooing and gentle touching. Then the final shower and dressing, then to the living room for her pay. (Never leave a wallet within close access). Of course (as expected) she started arguing for the 200 RMB she'd initially asked for. I gave her 150 and she smiled happily. I walked her back, arm in arm to near where I met her and we kissed goodnight.

Dick Johnson
06-07-02, 14:48
Its is absolutely true as Raskilnov has said once decent info has been posted about a place it gets ruined either by police or tourists. Shenzhen is a just another example.

Shenzhen does not even has the same feel as when I was there 8 months ago. Don't get me wrong, you will be able to find a female for sure. But it's been definitely not as good now.

Remember just a few months ago people was saying Shenzhen is the place, tons of chicks etc etc. There has been police numerous crackdowns and I saw one crackdown when the girls ran hiding when a cop car came. (Remember I saw a crackdown in Lisbao lobby, and now activity in Mongkok has been drastically reduced) All the chicks told me there have been many crackdowns in Shenzhen and a few chicks have been caught before.

Also , with the internet buzz and influx of tourists, the chicks aren't too impressed even if you are from another country. There are alot of people from Hong Kong and Taiwan etc(incl. business man). So lots of KTVs and niteclubs sprung up and many chicks go work there, drastically reducing the number fine looking chicks available for more innocent fun and lower price. That hurts. Who wants to pay all the bucks to go to the papasan, mamasan, KTV , niteclub etc? Dick Johnson would always prefer all the money to go to the girl.


There was also one incident when a few man came looking for me for more money just because they thought I have money and I'd pay up. This also happened in another city very recently. Nothing very serious happened but it was a big hassle and not very pleasant.

Also, the average age of chicks available has risen. Also, some chicks are a bit more conscious of money. There are also many people from Hong Kong coming here.

So whenever people start saying"pussy pussy everywhere, chick spends a few days with me for free, young pussy, cheap ***nese *****" Guess what? The place is ruined.

Soulman
06-08-02, 04:50
OK, gents here is 1st part of my trip report.

I had interesting adventures in Shekou, Shenzhen (Crowne Plaza), Baoan district (2 different KTVs) and Hainan (Sanya resort).

I think it's uncool to post fantasies and "distortions" on this board and I'd hate to question other poster but Raskilnikov's experience is out of ordinary and price paid is unusally low even for locals. So gents, let's be cool about it and don't distort or exagerate your experiences.

First Shekou, I think there are still crackdown there. I was there Fri night and there were a lot of people out. Cruised around the streets near McDonalds where I picked up 5 girls this year even thru CNY crackdown. Nothing out there except for group of 3 ugly girls who dressed and looked like new arrivals from inland. It's too bad as there were some real knockers out there last summer. It's too bad I had a girlfriend then as I used to check them walking around from the "Coffe Language" cafe above. Going rate was negotiated 200 RMB for ugly girls (no french, oral, straight boring session) to 400 RMB for cuties who acted like a sex starved nymph and fucked like girls in movies.

Second Crowne Plaza, thanks rtpman for heads up as I still can't belive hookers hang out in the lobby. There were diffrent girls there everynight and 5 girls there Sat night. There was this one stunner Mon night and she asked for 1,000 RMB and wouldn't budge. I sat down on a table Sat night and was bombarded with eye glances from 5 girls. One of them came to my table. We chatted in simple terms like "sex" and "RMB" and she wanted 800 RMB. I told her 400 RMB and she was firm at 600 RMB. We came to middle ground at 500 RMB as she didn't look all that good up close and I wrote down 12 AM to 8 AM and she said no only 2 hours. So I walked away. Went back to lobby 30 mins later and all 5 girls weren't there. Well, that **** just lost a chance to make 500 RMB.

Also cruised the disco called "Bar" which just opened on 5/24 few nights and it was dead! Couples and groups and no hookers sitting around.

I gotta to go now but most fun was had at 2 different KTVs and Hainan (no it's not men's paradise in Sanya).

Later!

Soulman
06-09-02, 00:37
Gents,

Here is 2nd part of trip report.

I guess the best part of my last trip was complete surprise and unexpected session with a girl I met almost a year ago. I was in SZ to visit some suppliers and one hole in wall kind a place brought a newly hired interpreter so we can meet. Well, she was OK looking kind from countryside. Anyway the meeting went bad and I left that hole. I received an email from the Miss Interpreter out of blue around x-mas last year and we sent few emails till I disclosed to her that I'm married with kids. Then emails stopped. She sent me another email after CNY for seeking advice in career since she left that hole she used to work at. We exchanged few emails. She wanted to meet with me to practice her English and get more career guidance. We met in my hotel and had simple dinner. Worldcup was on and I was really tired so to be nice, I asked her if she wanted to watch the game in my room.

My intention was not at all to do her as I just returned from Hainan after nice sessions that day. Anyway, one thing led to another and it was her who started to get close to me. I responded and she jumped me. Now I'm not a good looking guy nor a stud and this rarely ever happened to me. She asked if I have a condom and was very aggresive in bed which I didn't mind but welcomed. We did everything under the sun and she really and I mean really enjoyed licking and sucking my tool. I know most Chinese girls don't care for it and I always want more but I had to tell her to stop so I can fuck her. We did 69 and she got into it that she almost bit tip of my tool as she was moving wildly. Then on my request gave me another awesome blowjow for 30 mins. Wow, that was wonderful especially since it was totally unexpected. I had to send her home so she can get into her dorm by midnight.

She said she really enjoyed our session and want to come back which I said "sure". However, she called me from bus saying she was 5 mins away from my hotel when I was about to go out with friends for dinner and karaoke next day. She was upset we couldn't get together. She wanted to see me the next day but again I was out on business dinner and karaoke.

So look around gents, as the innocent glance and smile from cuties in offices or even hotel may lead to awesome sex and let me tell you fucking a girls who loves sex is lot more fun that *****s.

Happy Hunting!

Soulman
06-09-02, 01:30
Gents,

Here is 3rd and final part of my adventure.

I went to 2 different karaoke joints in Baoan district which is just outside the "zone".

First place is "Caesar Night Club" and I've been a regular there with local business associates. Awesome and large club with tons of cuties from all over China. I have a favorite date there but she was booked in another room even though I called her and her mamasan to book her early in the evening. Well, that tells you how hot she is as I'm told she is the most beautiful girl in that clun She didn't leave the place with me to my hotel which was unusual. For that matter, she cancelled our dinner the night before and didn't call me night after. I think she was on rags that time as she doesn't work the nights when I call her whenever I'm in town. She spends the whole night with me. For that and we have one of the best sex (it's out of this world - no wonder she's so popular). I give her $200 USD "pocket" money for her single mom and brother going to medical school in Shanghai everytime we get togehter for a night. She is well worth it. She also treats me like her boyfriend as I treat her with respect and kindness and expensive gifts (cosmetics and vitamins) whenever I see her. If yo don't take your hostess for sex afterwards then girl gets 200 RMB for being you date in the room.

Second place I went was OK. They have 300 girls but karaoke area was small. We wanted the best pick so picked girls before our dinner. I chose this innocent looking cuti as she was really skinny and tall and looked just like a country girl. She let me touch her and stuff and the hotel was full that night. So I went to nearby *****house apartment which was well guarded. She didn't take shower like other girls and proceeded for fuck. She fought me as I tried to eat her pussy and it didn't taste clean but thrilling to see her tummy muscle tighten us as I ate her. She only wanted straight sex and no kissing. Won't even do goggy style. I got fed up so put my pants on left. Complained to mamasan and she gave me another chance to pick. So I picked another tall cuti but older. I figured she will at least know how to please me. Well, we went back to the dingy room and wait for the new sheets and towels. Sex was "mechanical" as one may get from experienced prositutes with decent bbbj and fucking in different positions. She did really get into it when she was riding me like a horse.

Finally, only venture out to karaoke clubs with Chinese hosts who are regulars there as I did get ripped off at one place in SZ and literally robbed in Beijing once, all on my own.

Hellothere
06-15-02, 00:33
Gentlemen

Its great to come to this site and saw some posts about actions in Shenzhen, I am Chinese and currently working in States, totally understand how you guys feel when you are in a country where you are not very familiar with, especially when you are trying something you could not ask help from the cops.
okay , originally I am from shenzhen and you bet I know there better than you guys do, I think most of you cost more money than it should be, also pls bear in mind practice safe sex there, its in China, most street gals/calling gals don't have single idea abt how to protect themselves, god knows whether they will bring disease or not, so always practice safe sex....it is never too much to ask for a heavy protection....
I will be back to shenzhen this July, if you are interested, you can just contact me , maybe we can go out together. at least if you are go there with a Chinese, it will be safer and more comfortable.

just want to help, all the hunters united for fun !!!

henrry lee
06-19-02, 07:39
hi, guys,

I am henry, a Chinese, living shenzhen.

I just read some messages in this board and found that to communication with girls is the biggest problem for u.

Aslo, since u r not familiar with shenzhen, u r unable found the best place and girls at a reasonalbe prices.

Maybe i can help u guys on that.

1. Good Message Places
There are hunderds of maussage room around shenzhen, while only some of them are clean, safe and having pretty gals at a proper prices. As for girls , see the examples by the following link

http://www.weewet.net/weewet-net.html


2. Good Karao
The tips to girls in a Karaok are usually 100-300RMB.

3. Good NightBar

4. Cheap Hotel
Hotel Booking Service.
Usually, register in the front desk of a hotel is very expansive. 30%-100% higher than booking by agent.
Century Hotel 490/Night

5. Gals speaking english

6. My Charges

I am not a professional on this. I just lost my job and find this maybe an oppurtunity for me to get some money. However I do not want to earn money from u directly. But if u save lots of money under the help of me, I expect u can give me some tips.

contact me at szhenry_lee@hotmail.com

Ronnyd
06-21-02, 16:00
Hi Folks,

I will be going to Shenzen next week for a biz trip but will be staying there only for one night at Century Plaza Hotel.
My question is, will it be possible for me to find some safe action in or around this hotel...? I am interested in some good oil massage with an HJ or a BJ...?

Please help....!!!!

thanks,

Macauman
07-03-02, 05:42
Holy shit! I just read an article in today's New York Times about a brother and sister who got caught running a small prostitution ring out of an apartment near Guangzhou. The brother was sentenced to die, and the sister got life!!! Even though they weren't customers, I'm not sure I want to get anywhere near that scene in China. Thoughts on safety anyone?

TomcatNYC
07-03-02, 13:38
Macauman,

I agree that the pay for play scene is risky in China...its so easy meeting eligable and interesting women in China, why take the chance. I have made many friends in Beijing and Shenzhen and would recommend going that route. Just my 2 cents.

Cat

TomcatNYC
07-09-02, 03:23
Can anyone recommend a descent hotel in Shenzhen. I have a few days to kills there and didn't want to spend $ on Sunshine or Crowne Plaza. Thanks for your help.

Tangent
07-09-02, 06:38
Actually, if you are just looking for a place to sleep, you can crash in a sauna. I live in SZ, so I had no need to do this, but u can go a sauna for a 68rmb, 2 hour massage and then they will bring a comforter and you sleep on the masssage table. Or you can get a foot massage and crash on the recliners that they have there. I went at 2 in the morning and when I left at 4 in the morning, the place was packed with Hong Kong locals sleeping. Half the people sleeping in the tv room/foot massage room were women. one girl was asleep snoring while she was getting a foort massage. She must have spent a hard night dancing at the disco. The massage girl I had that night thought it was so fun to give a white guy a massage that she was encouraging me to sleep at this place. The massage rooms had large windows as partitions so there was no hanky panky going on. I did not inquire if this sauna had private rooms. they probably do.

Other than that, I do not know which hotel in SZ is the best value for the money.

TomcatNYC
07-09-02, 14:49
Tangent,

Thanks for the info...was looking for something for a few nights though but will keep that in mind for day trips from hk. Since you live in SZ, what area has the most night life?

Tangent
07-10-02, 01:58
the bar with the most expats is Goodfellas. There are a couple of nightclubs at the sports stadium, of which Chicago is the one that is most popular. Might want to check this site for locations shenzhenparty.com. The area in luohu clooser to the Sunshine hotel has probably the greates concentration of nightclubs, but those are all Chinese style karaoke/disco places. They are fun though.

Acer V
07-12-02, 04:04
Macauman,
I saw the same article in the IHT and the SCMP. This brother/ sister couple were convicted of bringing women from Sichuan province to Guangzhou and forcing them into sexual slavery. In China one never knows if a conviction has any merit but if this one does then they should both be shot!

shenzhenshipboy
07-12-02, 19:27
could anyone tell me the meaning of BJ,HJ,FS?

TomcatNYC
07-12-02, 23:02
Shenzhenshipboy,

Terms & Abbreviations link at the top left of this screen will answer those questions. Right beneathe WSG Forum On the New Server,

Cat

shenzhenshipboy
07-13-02, 08:36
Originally posted by tomcatNYC
Shenzhenshipboy,

Terms & Abbreviations link at the top left of this screen will answer those questions. Right beneathe WSG Forum On the New Server,

Cat
Thank you ,I found it!

TomcatNYC
07-13-02, 15:07
Anything interesting near the Landmark Hotel? Would like a nice place for massage with HR. Seems I can only find this in HK. Any help would be appreciated.

Mistalava
07-14-02, 06:44
Attention Daveyboy.

Lost your email address due to a computer crash. You were interested in specific info for Shenzhen. E-mail me directly and I will get it to you ASAP. Sorry for the delay.
mistalava@yahoo.com

ice88
07-15-02, 16:41
Hi folks,

my first post:

Where is the best 4 or 5 star hotel to stay in that allows you to bring girls to your roon to stay all night. let me know what to avoid as it's my first trip to Shenzhen.
Thanks in advance to all those that reply and good luck to everyone.

SeattleGman
07-16-02, 06:16
Ice88-

I have stayed at the Panglin Hotel twice (www.panglin-hotel.com). Relatively reasonable pricing, but definately in the 4-5 star category. You can also get a decent legit 90 minute massage in the hotel for 100 RMB. The hotel staff does not harass the girls that come in with a guest. Girls and pimps hang out in front of the hotel until the wee hours. My advice is to not get hooked up with a pimp that will try to pursuade you to go somewhere with him to see the girls. I had better luck going with the independents. When I went there in May 2002, the police was clearing them out, but they come back shortly thereafter again anyways. Girls will accept 200-400 RMB for around 1 hour (or 1 shot) so don't pay more than that. They will try for more, but if you walk away, they will usually follow you and accept. You can always go back later and accept their offer if they don't. Don't forget, you have the bargaining leverage. Also, it isn't worth bargaining for more time because once the first session is done, they start complaining about wanting to leave. Happened to me twice. Also try the Lo Wu station for knock-off shopping. There is a big 5-6 floor shopping center up the stairs from the station. Have a good time!

Ruf66
07-16-02, 09:31
Just back from Shenzen - stayed at the Windsor hotel - great place - they have "Hostess's" in the bar - okay. Was teken to the Opera house. Great girl - spoke english. Stayed all night (no problem with the hotel) - 800 rmb.

I will definately go back soon.

Rtpman
07-16-02, 17:39
The Sunshine also is a nice hotel that doesn't hassle you with guests (as long as you get them there before 11pm).

I noticed SeattleGman posted the Panglin. I haven't stayed there and don't doubt what he says. However, I had a girl at the Sunshine who had just got out of jail. She had been busted at the Panglin. Story is she went up with some foreigner. After a little bit in the room there was a knock at the door. The guy panicked and gave her up.

I suspect it was a setup and not by the hotel. Someone had it out for her or was pissed that this guy picked someone else.

The girl was very nice but VERY worried about being in the hotel close to where she was busted. My friend csun213 speaks fluent Chinese and learned this from her because we both could tell she was worried.

I agree with SeattleGman that you can always find available girls out front. They will try for 500 or 600 rmb but will usually settle for less. If you get them too low then sometimes they will try to get the price up some by saying a BJ is an extra 100. If you tell them bye-bye the will usually change their minds.

SeattleGman
07-17-02, 04:03
rtpman

Your accounts are disturbing. I did notice more police presence in May 2002 compared with November 2001. A motorcycle police officer would ride down the sidewalk clearing the girls and potential customers away, but didn’t get off of it to arrest anyone.

I can’t imagine the hotel setting anyone up because they would lose business if word got out. You are probably correct that someone was mad at the girl or something. I noticed one girl I picked up made a pimp mad because he was trying to hook me up when I noticed her and agreed to bring her to my room. I think your story is rare and the majority of the time, we are safe in China. Just got to use common sense.

Vigo
07-17-02, 04:41
ruff66,

Do you remember the location or telephone number of the Windsor hotel because I can't find anything on the web about any Windsor hotel....

Cheers,
Vigo

Ruf66
07-17-02, 10:32
Jo,

Sorry it is Windsor Park Hotel
Guan Zhang Rd
Huang Jiang Town
Dong Guan City
Shenzhen

Have fun..

Rtpman
07-17-02, 12:27
SeattleGman - I agree that China is safe and the story I mentioned was out of the ordinary. I've never had a problem in any hotel I've stayed at.

I was in Shenzhen in April and May of 2002 and yes there was increased police presence. My friend said there was a large convention during the first part of May so the city was trying to make itself more presentable. This usually equates to the girls being harrassed by the police.

Csun213
07-17-02, 17:03
For SeattleGman, the hotel itself would not setup a custom because you are right, it would cut into their business. One of the hotels in Shenzhen I know actually had a real raid by the police. It turned out to be a mistake however the damage was done. The people that regularly stay in that hotel (a lot of my Taiwanese friends) would never return again. The hotel even tried to give them a 50% discount. This happened 3 years ago and to this day, the hotel is never of 50% full and you can always get a great discount at that hotel. However a girl can be setup by someone not working in the hotel. If you ever have the police knock on your hotel door, always call down to the front desk and they will do everything possible to take care of it. From what I heard about the raid, quite a few police get reassigned to the country side for being in that raid and the top police was demoted. You must realize that most of the hotels do pay protection to the police so they will take care of you.

Rtpman and I have traveled to Shenzhen many times in the past 3-4 years and have never encountered any kind of problems.

Soulman
07-18-02, 02:46
I wouldn't worry too much about getting nailed by the cops for bringing girls to your room. Some hotels do post on the lobby that no guest after 11 PM but rarely enforce it. I think they do that to clear the lobby from working girls and pimps. Cops and civil servants are paid off one way or another so unless the hotel owner manages to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) someone off, cops will leave hotel alone.

I've been going to China since 1998 and experienced no prob at all. I would not go with pimps or girls asking that the good time take place in their flats or bars as one can easily get robbed or ripped off. Happened to me at Great Wall Sheraton in Beijing. I was foolish enough to get in a taxi with a girl offering cheap massage and sex. Ended up in ktv and 2,500 RMB bar tab even thought I tried to leave when the fruit and dried snacks came out. So never follow to "their place". In fact I ask the girl to turn her phone off (I think it was advice given by rpt and csun) when they get into my room.

Happy Whoring!

shenzhenman
07-19-02, 02:11
Can anyone give me directions to "East Gate Food Street"
Heard the eye candy was excellent there.
thanks in advance

sz_barber
07-20-02, 04:54
how safe is the barber shop in SZ ?

will u catch a lot of sex diseases from those barber's girls ?

Rtpman
07-24-02, 13:47
SZ_Barber : If you walk in the downtown you will find a number of barber shops. If you walk around much downtown you will also be approached by momasons asking if you want a 'missy'. You can find freelancers hanging around the nicer hotels and sometimes in the arcades.

As anywhere in the world today there is always a risk of STD from sex workers. If you practice safe-sex (condom) you should be fine.

sz_barber
08-03-02, 08:35
Any chances of catching AIDs from those

SZ barber girls ??


I have sex with couple of them recently, they are
mostly very young (under 18). I didnt use condom
at one occasion. I am a bit worried 'cus I read some
articles saying that China has an AIDs epidemic now.


One more thing, even though those barber girls are
pretty young, their looks are generally very average.
Can someone tell me where I can find really good
looking girls in SZ ?

WooVictor
08-03-02, 09:35
Last week I spent one night in Shenzhen at the Holiday Inn Donghua Hotel near the Shedkou industrial zone. Shortly after 9pm I went to the bar street near the Nanhai Hotel and spent over an hour at the Hammer Bar, a place that I just happened to wander into last December. It is a small bar run by a woman in her late 20s or early 30s named Coco who used to have a German boyfriend and has travelled overseas quite a bit. We got along very well and since then I’ve been there twice times (including last week's visit), and every time it cost me a fortune buying drinks for the bar girls. The first time I got completely drunk and went to a restaurant with all the girls after they closed down for business at four in the morning. After we finished meal at about almost six Coco arranged one of the girls to take me back to Nanhai Hotel where I was staying in order to "take care" of me. The second time I took two other girls back to Holiday Inn Huatong Hotel at the same time. About three weeks ago I went past the bar at day time and found that it had been closed down by the police – the door was sealed by the authorities with a public notice. So when I went back last week I was relieved that the bar had reopened and I saw Coco and my two "wives" again. I didn’t take any of the girls back to the Holiday Inn but I got Coco to give me her mobile number – she had promised last time (my second visit) that one day she would "take care" of me, if I would buy her a ring or something from Hong Kong. I’ll probably do that in the coming months.

During the last few years I hardly go to Shenzhen and never stayed overnight anyway. Now I’ll go there more often as my company is working on a project there, but normally I won’t spend the night there. Last week I found out, during my second stay there, that Holiday Inn Huadong is actually a very girl-friendly hotel.

First of all, it’s got a nightclub on the third floor. Ostensibly the nightclub doesn’t have working girls or xiaojie but they do have DJs who will operate the karaoke players for you in your VIP room. They will also sing for you, drink with you and talk to you. There is a minimum charge of some US$35 for a small room, with beers costing some $4 each. You can of course talk your DJ up to your room, but the mamasan stressed that that has nothing to do with the nightclub. I didn’t actually spend any time there – I just went there before dinner to look at the place and talk to the mamasan.

Secondly, the hotel has got a sauna and massage parlour which I did visit last time I was there but didn’t like it that much. The massage parlour is located in an annex behind the hotel, and at that time it seemed to me that it was independent of the hotel. The private suites were designed like standard hotel guestrooms except that there is no front door. As you step in, you’ve got the rest room and the sauna room either on your left or right. The massage room, which is where you sleep in a standard guestroom, does have a door. However, the partition with the next room is made of glass, and although there are curtains you can still see what’s going on next door through the crack between the curtains. The masseuse who served me last time did give me an oil rub with a handjob, but she wouldn’t take my shorts off for fear that the manager or the police might come in.

Last week, as I wandered out of the nightclub and followed the signs I found out that the sauna parlour was actually connected to the hotel by a passageway. The manageress was very friendly when she learned that I was a hotel guest, and personally showed me around. I was not too keen to go back again, but I nevertheless asked casually if their masseuses could go upstairs to the guestrooms. To my surprise she said yes, but before mid-night, even though the sauna parlour closes at 3am.

So just before mid-night I called the sauna place and asked the manageress to send a masseuse to my room, but she said that to ensure the guests’ safety, the hotel required the guests to go downstairs to accompany the masseuse to their rooms. So I went down, and asked the manageress to allow me to pick my girl personally. She led me to a large room where about 30 girls were gathering in small groups playing card games or talking to each other. I glanced around and chose a girl who was taking a nap. She was a bit plump for me but I was attracted by her tits.

Back in my room I took a quick shower first and then went on bed with a towel around my waist. As she gave me a massage we had a nice chat. She told me her name was Zhang Yanmei and her number was 71. She came from Sichuan just about a year ago, and had been working there for a couple of months. We even talked about her current boyfriend who poked her cheery and how they enjoyed lovemaking. I then asked her to do a second session and gave me an oil rub but she didn’t want to work overtime. She was willing to give me extra service but unfortunately she didn’t have any condoms on her, and for once I haven’t got any either. In any case she took off her T-shirt and bra, and let me played with her tits, but resisted when I tried to take her pants off. After a bit of a struggle I finally managed to strip her naked and got my fingers into her ****. As she seemed to enjoy it, I stepped up the effort and oiled her backside to facilitate my invasion of her anus with a finger. On and off I finger-fucked her three times, attacking her vagina and anus simultaneously, and brought her to multiple climax. On my third assault she jerked me off vigorously, and we climaxed at the same time.

By the way, she also told me that the sauna parlour has an upper floor of more luxurious rooms. May be I’ll try them next time. In any case this is a very convenient hotel and I certainly will be back.

Csun213
08-04-02, 03:28
To sz_barber, first you don't have to worry too much about getting AIDS in China. The girls are not like pros that you find in either Thailand or Philippine who works for a long time. Most of the girls are very young and not experienced.

Second, you will not find too many girls over 20 working in China since competion is terrible. Most of the customers are from Hong Kong, Taiwan and other countries. The locals usually can not afford the girls so the older girls generally can not compete and will therefore go home. However you will not find the beautiful girls working in the barber shop since they charge lower prices. If you really want to find very pretty girls then you would have to go to KTV or nightclubs. They cost more but are quite beautiful. I hope this helps.

Soulman
08-05-02, 04:37
Be careful or one can easily blow a lot of money buying drinks (and no piece of ass) in the Shekou bar scenes. There are many "cocos" and "jennys" who are real good at extracting as much money as they can out of lonely foreigner then ask for more money setting up a prositute in your behalf when you're drunk and horny as hell, and at the end these cutis who also happens to own the bar won't put out. Really! I had this one mamasan even come to my hotel room during day time to "kick back" few times but she wouldn't let me fuck her. All she wanted me was to buy her expensive dinners, gifts like mobile phones and let's not forget. "come to my ba". Yeah right... Learned my lesson!

Concerning Donghua HI, I think they really suck; service that is. Tried to score with the cutis in executive floor but no luck. Massage joint is joined by catwalk on 3rd floor and you got to pass thru karaoke joint. Anyway, many of the massage joints have VIP room with better accomodations. Typical fare is first hr is stright massage (with focus to tease your dick for full erection) and second hr is well for either hand or blow job. But since most Chinese girls don't care for sucking dicks, a hand job with globs of baby oil. They also offered to send a girl to my room but insisted that 2 girls come up (and pay for both) for their "safety". I declined. They do have good foot massage and ear cleaning (the miss ear cleaner is a real cuti).

Concerning the karaoke at HI, it;s no fun to go there alone as most girls don't speak any English. I went there with a girlfriend last year (too bad she left me because I wouldn't marry her - she was really good in bed and couldn't get enugh of it) and they charged me for eating few nuts (80 RMB) when I walked out after price was quoted. I used to hang out after mid night and would see all these cutis going home alone. Damn, if I spoke decent Mandarin I'm sure I could have struck excellent deal to do them.

life_after_dark
08-05-02, 06:19
Woovictor,

Great post. We don't come across detailed and truthful posts too often on this board. I can second most of what you have said, having myself been to H.I., SZ lastweek.

Can you tell me how much tip you paid to the girl for the 'massage' in your room? Negotiated in advance, or after?

I too had a girl (#9) up from this place to my room last week, but I only got a massage and a HJ. I don't speak any mandarin and she refused my hints to a BJ.

Samurai
08-06-02, 01:21
I have two questions for the board:

1. Does anyone know where i can find fishbowl-type soapies in shenzhen, similar to those in macau and bangkok?

2. I read that you can get a 4-hour massage in shenzhen for about 150hkd (<$20US) in one of those 'legitimate' 24-hour massage places, where tired HK people can literally sleep there overnight, without paying for hotels. Has anyone stayed in one of these places overnight, instead of paying for a hotel? Do they over any 'extra services'?

Thanks

Tangent
08-06-02, 03:00
samurai,

I do not know of any fishbowl soapies in SZ.

for a legitimate overnight sauna, One of those places is the "Xiangdi' sauna just south of Shennan lu on Xiangxi road (a north-south road which is about 100m east of Dongmen road). It was 69 rmb for a 2 hr (120 minutes) massage, and they bring out a blanket for you afterwards if u want. So a 4 hour masage would still be less than 150. There was no extra pressure to tip the girl when I went to pay my bill, but i tipped her 30 rmb anyhow. Do not know if they have private rooms for special services (tebie fuwu). Some of the masseueses were good looking, most were just average or below.

Lots of other saunas on that street, and many of the beauty salons in the small alleys off that street offer special services.

I had a favorite place nearby, but unfortunately the little 19 year old there from Sichuan went back to Sichuan. oh well. She was such a sweetie.

Moody
08-06-02, 19:51
Hi,

New to the forum. So far this year I've been to Shenzhen 3 times. I'll probably be there again this month on the 19th or so. Anyway, it's not that difficult finding girls. I usually stay at the Airland hotel near the beach, away from the bustle and hustle. A couple kilometers down there are two Karaoke, I don't know their names since I can't read a word of Chinese. The closer one has girls in the 6-8 range. I'm a picky bastard with taste like most Chinese so I like slim women with light skin. Regardless you can take anyone back to your hotel. I usually tip them about 800RMB the next morning when I send them off. According to my driver, I'm overtipping. He says I shouldn't tip more than 600RMB. Who knows. I can't speak a single word of Chinese so it's not like haggling is going to do any good. They never ask for an amount anyway. The second Karaoke has slightly inferior girls, but I have to admit I was very impressed with the service from one of the girls there.

I've also been to Karaoke in Dongguan at a bunch of 5 star hotels. One of them even had a dancing girl who did a striptease which was very entertaining. Don't ask me for the names of these hotels, I don't remember them with the exception of the Lungcheng Hotel. These places have the best looking girls. Seriously, there are girls with model looks in these places and there's always at least 100 or so. Nobody ever speaks any English, but it's no big deal. Normal tip for services rendered at these places is 1000RMB according to my host. Nobody's complained yet so I guess it's the right amount. Actually, I've never seen anyone count the money in my presence. I guess doing so would be a face thing for someone. I've never been to the sauna places or checked out street action. Just not my scene. I would think though, that since Karaoke girls see less action, they're less hardened and less likely to have disease, I could be completely wrong of course. Anyway, these are the scenes I typically see. Hope some of this info is useful to someone.

Moody
08-06-02, 19:57
Originally posted by samurai
...I read that you can get a 4-hour massage in shenzhen for about 150hkd (<$20US) in one of those 'legitimate' 24-hour massage places, where tired HK people can literally sleep there overnight, without paying for hotels. Has anyone stayed in one of these places overnight, instead of paying for a hotel? Do they over any 'extra services'?

Thanks

Massage at the legit massage places is unbelievably cheap. It's usually 30Y for 2 hours. I've never stayed overnight, but I have fallen asleep during 4 hour massages. Apparently they keep massaging away while you're sleeping. If you're going to get a massage, you may as well get a haircut too with scalp massage. Usually the places are one and the same.

WooVictor
08-08-02, 01:41
To life_after_dark: I paid her Rmb500, negotiated while I was struggling with her panties. My girl wouldn't do blowjob either, but when we talked about her boyfriend she said she used her mouth to bring him up the second time so I guess it is kind of "know your customer" thing.

Also thanks to soulman's advise and I'm sure the kind of thing you described happens very often. Will keep you posted if I ever get lucky with her -- or get ripped off by her.

Soulman
08-09-02, 04:20
Hi Gents,

I came across this interesting article from FEER (Far Eastern Economic Review). Here is the link but it "dies" in a week so posted the whole article about AIDS in China. All of us *****mongers really ought to be careful. I don't wear anything when I have sex with my Karaoke girlfriend who I meet everytime I'm in SZ area and well, I got Chlymedia from her. That led me to believe she has been doing other westerners as this STD is confined to white people (for now that is). Oh well, I gave her antibiotic when I saw her next.

http://www.feer.com/articles/2002/0208_15/p030innov.html

A Nightmare In the Making

HIV and Aids are spreading rapidly across China. Ignorance about the killer disease is rife, yet everyone knows about the Three Represents and Falun Gong. It's time to redirect the efforts of the propaganda machine


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By David Murphy/BEIJING

Issue cover-dated August 15, 2002


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ZHAO LIYANG is one in a million. Facing a shaky hand-held camera she shivers against the winter cold and tells of the plague in her village, Dongguan, in Henan province, about 500 miles south of Beijing. Around her in the spartan room sit other villagers with HIV and Aids. "It doesn't matter if we die, but what will become of our children?" Zhao pleads through tears. There may be up to one million people like her in this province.

The video that tells Zhao's story is an extraordinarily powerful piece of journalism. In another country it would win awards. In China, Lee Dan, the brave social activist who travelled from Beijing to shoot the documentary earlier this year risked harassment and arrest.

His aim was to publicize the plight of China's Aids victims, the bulk of whom live in rural areas and were infected at commercial plasma-collecting centres, many of them linked to government units. The fact that the video is unlikely to be shown on any TV station in China says a lot about the way the human immuno-deficiency virus and Aids are viewed by the state. But with United Nations estimates of 10 million people becoming infected with HIV and Aids across China by the end of the decade it is time for Beijing to square up to the problem.

The warning of China's coming catastrophe was sounded in June, when the United Nations published a damning report titled HIV/Aids China's Titanic Peril. It stated that "China is on the verge of a catastrophe that could result in unimaginable human suffering, economic loss and social devastation." The apocalyptic language stems from medical experts' fears that localized epidemics in rural villages and among intravenous drug users and sex workers are on the brink of spilling into the general population. If that happened, controlling the spread would be virtually impossible.

Aids is now the fourth-biggest killer worldwide and with reported HIV infections up by 67.4% in the first half of last year in China, according to Ministry of Health figures, Beijing cannot afford to wait for a miracle vaccine. Even the most optimistic predictions say a vaccine is five years away; for now prevention is the only way to fight the disease.

The Chinese government holds the power to ensure the cataclysm foretold by the UN never happens. A first step would be to unleash the full power of its propaganda apparatus, a huge machine that reaches the length and breadth of this vast country and penetrates into almost every pocket of society.

"They have the capacity to do public education through the family planning organization and propaganda infrastructures," says Joan Kaufman, a fellow at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard who has studied China's Aids problem. "They also need to get the media on board in the public-education effort. There are many things that can be done quickly."

Right now the machine is in high-gear support of President Jiang's latest political theory, the Three Represents. Ordinary people may have no interest in the theory--part of a drive to extend the Communist Party's influence--but they cannot escape constant bombardment from radio and television reports, newspaper editorials and articles, and propaganda billboards in the countryside.

The 60 million Communist Party members in cities, towns and villages across China and tens of millions more government employees are obliged to study the Three Represents. Cadres are despatched from Beijing to the provinces to instruct officials on the application of Jiang's theory.

On an even larger scale, enormous resources have been thrown into a campaign to smash the Falun Gong movement. As well as all party members, school children and work units across the country have had to study the "evils" of Falun Gong with state media singing from one hymn sheet on the need to rid China of the movement.

Nothing like the same effort has been put into alerting people to the dangers of HIV/Aids, say specialists in the field. "The highest leadership has not taken this on seriously enough. They need to make it a Falun Gong kind of campaign that everyone has to comply with," says Kaufman.

Ironically, the Henan villagers in the video say that local officials have accused them of being Falun Gong members in an effort to intimidate them into silence. The villagers who have contracted HIV are treated with staggering contempt by officials. "They have given us no money and no medicine, not even an apology," a Dongguan farmer with HIV, who travelled to Beijing for help late last month, told the REVIEW. He first sold blood in 1995 in response to adverts placed on local TV by government officials, he says.

While the Falun Gong has gone underground under the weight of the government crackdown, Aids is creeping across the country. The epidemic is taking hold in high-risk groups. HIV infection rates among intravenous-drug users are as high as 80% in many cities in Yunnan province, according to the UN report, and are growing fast among prostitutes in Guangxi and elsewhere. A recent study by Futures Group, a British-based health and population consultancy, indicates that rapid and meaningful government intervention could cut the projected death rate by 2010 from 12 million people to 2 million.

Yet Beijing seems reluctant to recognize the true scale of the problem. According to official estimates, 850,000 people are infected with HIV/Aids. Foreigners familiar with the epidemic and most medical experts outside the government believe the figure is much higher but nobody really knows how high. Gao Yaojie, a retired doctor who almost single-handedly exposed the Henan scandal, believes that one million people may be infected in that province alone.

The government has signally failed to provide leadership at the highest levels in the campaign against HIV/Aids. But it certainly has the ability to launch a country-wide campaign to stem the spread of the virus. Countries like Thailand, Uganda and Senegal have shown that huge doses of education directed at high-risk groups and the general population can stem the advance of Aids.

In contrast to the governments of most developing countries afflicted by HIV/Aids, the Chinese state has a very long reach. "The government has the power and resources. The Communist Party has tens of millions of members, tens of millions of youth members and millions more volunteers," says Wan Yanhai, coordinator of the Beijing AIZHI Action Project, a non-government organization dedicated to raising awareness of Aids.

The level of ignorance is staggering. Over two-thirds of Chinese do not know how the disease is transmitted. Almost one-fifth have never even heard of Aids, according to a survey carried out by the State Family Planning Commission and released at the International Aids Conference in Barcelona last month. Good old-fashioned propaganda--something the party is clearly good at--could do much to turn that ignorance around. The message could be carried through the propaganda and education networks as well as government units, such as those under the State Family Planning Commission, that penetrate deep into Chinese society.

Targeting high-risk groups is essential to preventing the infection now occurring in sex workers and drug users from spreading to the general public. This kind of focus is best delivered by people not connected with the state, whose approach to these groups is far from sensitive. But Beijing distrusts NGOs. Ask Wan, whose AIZHI office was shut down by the police on July 1. "Our government invited the security department to challenge the people who are challenging Aids," says Wan despairingly.

It's not just a question of the right to organise. "International experience shows that drug users, sex workers and men who have sex with men don't trust government and prefer civil society," says William Stewart of the China-UK HIV/Aids Prevention and Care Project which operates in two provinces in southwest China.

There are some signs of change in China. Under a five-year plan announced last year the central government allocated 100 million renminbi ($12 million) annually to fund prevention and treatment of HIV/Aids and sexually-transmitted diseases. An additional 950 million renminbi was earmarked for the construction of a blood-collection and supply network to ensure blood safety.

Many government officials working in the field are no longer opposed to meeting with NGOs. There is a needle- exchange programme in Xinjiang. In Yunnan local and international NGOs are working "fairly unfettered in a number of outreach and education programmes," says a Western diplomat. In Guangxi and other provinces, prostitutes are being educated about HIV/Aids and there is an experimental methadone-substitution programme for heroin addicts. Beijing schools plan to launch a sex-education class with an HIV/Aids component.

These are all examples of what should be done on a much larger scale. Beijing has to move beyond what one UN official refers to as "permanent pilot projects" towards a national Aids message.

If change is eventually coming why has China been so slow to recognize the problem? Part of the answer lies in the fact that China's leaders stress the importance of local, regional and national economic development. That approach has seen officials push urgent social issues, including declining education and health standards, to the sidelines lest they draw attention to deficiencies in China's modernization drive. The other uncomfortable truth is that peasants--the bulk of the victims to date--don't warrant the same attention from government as city folk do.

But change, however it comes, is coming too late for the farmers with HIV/Aids who took their turn to face the camera and tell how they sold blood for money to companies, many of them linked to local party officials. As far as is known no Communist official has been punished for what is probably the biggest crime of reform-era China. The villagers now wait to die, utterly neglected by the authorities.


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Not For General Release

Reporting on Henan's HIV/Aids crisis is not easy. Local authorities are keen to keep a tight lid on the problem. Foreign reporters have been arrested there. Late last year two reporters from China Central Television were arrested as they made a dash for the Shandong border after being caught filming in a Henan village. Beijing student Lee Dan travelled alone to Dongguan village in Henan in January to film a documentary aimed at raising awareness about HIV/Aids. Beijing police questioned him about his activities shortly after he returned home. He laughs at the suggestion that he is brave, saying only: "You have to do something in your life." It is unlikely that his film will ever be screened in China, but he is a voice for the villagers in Henan. "In China there is a kind of thinking that people have no value because they are poor. That is wrong," he says.


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STD FUEL FOR THE HIV FIRE

IN CHINA, UNSCRUPULOUS MEDICS OVERCHARGE FOR CHEAP STD DRUGS

By Chace Vanderwolk

Sexually transmitted disease, or STD, is like a match to kindling in the spread of HIV. So any effort to halt the spread of HIV and Aids will fail unless the sharp rise in STD is tackled.

Yet China's STD services are expensive, poorly monitored and badly organized. Like large parts of the health system, clinics are often more keen on making money than curing patients. "The price of STD treatment is astronomical," says William Stewart of the China-UK HIV/Aids Prevention and Care Project, which operates in two provinces in southwest China.

Gonorrhea can be cured with a single shot of simple antibiotics. In China that can cost about $50. In Britain, the same shot would cost $10 at most and in reality would be free to the patient because the government subsidizes STD treatments.

Such high fees combined with poor diagnosis and a lack of respect for patient confidentiality discourages many people from seeking timely treatment, according to a recent United Nations report on China's Aids crisis.

What can be done? Health authorities need to see patients as consumers who are entitled to information and privacy as well as treatment, says Stewart. For example, making the true cost of STD treatments widely known would help lift the veil of ignorance that allows unscrupulous doctors to overcharge patients.

On the prevention side condom-use needs to be promoted. One of the main reasons behind the rapid spread of STD--there are now an estimated 10 million cases--is ignorance of the dangers and a low rate of condom usage among at-risk groups. A good start would be a high-profile condom-promotion campaign targetted at China's estimated 5 million sex workers.


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BAD BLOOD

By David Murphy

In the early and mid-1990s, companies, many linked to government units, specialized in the collection of blood and plasma in a number of provinces in central China. They targeted villages and paid farmers about 50 renminbi ($6) per donation. Incredibly, blood from farmers of the same blood group was pooled in a single centrifuge, the plasma extracted and the blood then returned to the donors. That meant the donors were able to repeat the procedure after a few days. So a single HIV-positive farmer could donate frequently, each time infecting all of his co-donors and they in turn unwittingly infecting everybody they shared with. In some Henan villages 60% of the population are HIV-positive.

There are reports of similar epidemics related to plasma donation in other provinces like Hebei, Anhui, Shanxi, Shaanxi Hubei and Guizhou.

Despite a central government crackdown on the clinics, the United Nations and Chinese medical experts believe clinics are still operating in some of these areas

Rtpman
08-09-02, 14:02
Sourlman - Thanks for the info. However -

1) No STD is confined to one race of people. Nor does it mean your girl has had sex with a westerner. It could be that the last Asian she had sex with had, had sex with an Asian who had sex with an Asian who had sex with ..... The STD you encountered is fairly common.

2) Yes Aids is present in China and in certain areas of China have a higher incident rate than other areas. Be careful with statistics. Generally worse case scenarios in isolated, high infections areas applied for a country. This gives the impression of a higher incident rate than what is present among the overall population.

The one true thing that can be said about statistics is that you make any case you want using them.

This isn't directed at you, soulman but in general we should use common sense and practice safe sex. Avoid druggies and partners that don't practice safe sex.

That all being said, China still has one of the lowest percentages of HIV in the world.

Cavechu
08-09-02, 17:30
There are some flagrant STD/HIV/AIDS active status *****mongers out there that don't give a fuck about anyone and is slowly killing this hobby and the girls who service us. I have no sympathy for such reckless assholes! I hope they died soon since I know they will not retire from this hobby once they have known/tested positive for HIV/AIDS and continue to practice unsafe sex with the girls. Those that like baraback anal sex know who they are...

Soulman
08-10-02, 01:20
Rtpman,

I agree with you 100%. I just wanted to share with the boys that we all need to be smart and pratice safe sex even in "safer" places like China.

Guangdong provinces and especially huge Dongguan and SZ area seem to attract girls from all over China for opportunity to make quick RMB if they are beautiful. Most girls I came across came from Hunan and Sichuan but I understand that each KTV recruits girls from mamasan's villages. My KTV girlfriend is from Nanjing and she stole my heart...

I do as common sense always check the girls arm for needle marks especially street girls near Nanhai. That's first thing I check in elevator ride to my hotel room. But I think most girls especially in KTVs are safe as I find most to be sweet amateurs who act like they new to the sex trade. I hear that girls come and go and many are virgins when they first come to KTV. Many girls make few RMB then go back home only to come back for more easy RMB.

I had bad luck with really dead frigid girls in bed. It's kind a hard to predict which girl you pick either in KTV or street will turn out to be great in bed as I had few memorable sessions. And I finally accept the fact that very few girls french kiss or give blowjob. Eating their tight pussy is taboo unless one really goes after it then the most girls can't seem to get enough of it. I also think that many girls are open to kissing and oral sex if they see you as a boyfriend and not a "john" as girlfriends I had were more open to it or do it to make you happy.

Finally, I'm finding out that best way to have fun is to find local girlfriend. I'm shocked how easily this is done as I had good luck lately. Sure, I have a nickname as "playboy" at the company I spend most of my time but many girls appear to enjoy flirting. I'm also finding that Chinese girls for some reason are more apt to have sex with new boyfriends than Korean and Japanese girls. So take every opportunity at companies you visit or girls you meet in street and hotel seriously as language barrier is not really a big deal especially when love making is involved. Also my secret in meeting local girls is thru penpal service. I also disclose up front that I'm married but many girls don't really seem to care about it which surpriesed me time and time again. I do treat them very well with expensive gifts (duty free cosmetic stuff), show lots of respect (open doors for them, etc) and take them to expensive department store Haiya near Donghua Holiday Inn and spend good $100 buying imported clothes for them. And even $400 mobile phone last year BUT I get it all back in wonderful times together!

Have fun! Safe one that is!

sz_barber
08-10-02, 14:21
i would like to know i've overcharged or not.
i went to a barber shop last wednesday and had a
good time with a barber girl. she called me last night
and wanted to meet me again. I picked her up from the
barber shop and came back to my apartment. She
spent the whole night with me and I have sex with
her twice, one at night and one in the morning.
When she leaves, she wants me to pay her $600 RMB.
She says the going rate is even higher. Is she telling
the truth ?

Moody
08-10-02, 14:45
Originally posted by sz_barber

When she leaves, she wants me to pay her $600 RMB.
She says the going rate is even higher. Is she telling
the truth ?

I think 600Y is the going rate. My Chinese driver keeps telling me not to pay more than that to the Karaoke girls. It's quite possible though, that barber shop girls are cheaper.

sz_barber
08-10-02, 14:54
it only costs me $100 (to the barber girl) +
$30 to $60 (to the barber shop) to actually do
it in the barber shop. thats why i am wondering
i pay too much ($600 for the whole night).

I heard those barber girls are not as attractive
as the Karaoke girls. Thats why they are cheaper.
How much will it cost to spend a night with the
Karaoke girl ?

Moody
08-10-02, 14:58
Originally posted by Soulman

I had bad luck with really dead frigid girls in bed. It's kind a hard to predict which girl you pick either in KTV or street will turn out to be great in bed as I had few memorable sessions...


I had this happen to me a few times before too. I learned though. Ask the mamasan who performs the best in bed. Sadly, the ones the perform the best are quite frequently the least attractive ones.:( I think the easiest compromise though, is to not pick girls who look young. If they're young and came from the village a month ago, it's most likely that they just don't know what they're supposed to do. I met one girl who didn't know how to work the shower in my hotel room. Made for a pretty friggin' bizarre night.

Before I used to get a different girl every night. The assistant manager at the hotel I stay at used to joke around with me asking how many female cousins I had. Lately though, I've noticed that if I like a particular girl, I'll just call her up and have her stay with me for a few days. Makes life easier.

Moody
08-10-02, 15:07
Originally posted by sz_barber
it only costs me $100 (to the barber girl) +
$30 to $60 (to the barber shop) to actually do
it in the barber shop. thats why i am wondering
i pay too much ($600 for the whole night).

I heard those barber girls are not as attractive
as the Karaoke girls. Thats why they are cheaper.
How much will it cost to spend a night with the
Karaoke girl ?

I've never been to a barber shop with girls in China, so I'm not sure what is expected. I'll ask my driver the next time I'm in China (2 weeks). My driver cracks me up, he loves the fact that I go whoring. He loves it when I call him up at night and have him pick up a girl I just called. Anyway, in Shenzhen, I've never tipped more than 800Y to spend the night with the girl. You don't do it in the Karaoke, you take her back to your hotel. At some of the Karaoke near the train station, the girls ask for stupid amounts, like 3000Y. Don't go to those places. The girl has to split the money with the mamasan. Also, at most Karaoke (actually, every single one that I've been to), the girls don't even mention money. You just give it to them the next morning as you send them away.

P.S. You should try to get their phone number from them. That way, if you want them again, you can just call them instead of going out to the Karaoke.

Soulman
08-10-02, 17:15
Great posts! Now I know I'm not the only one who can't figure out how the girls would turn out in bed.

I go to Shekou often for "variety" even when I have local girlfriend to have good time with. Hey what can I say? For 200 RMB for ugly to 400 RMB for knockouts, it's cheap to sample the local pussies whenever I'm in town. I had both bad and good lays including few times where the girls acted like sex starved sluts in porno flicks but chance of this is more like 30%. It's fun to cruise down the large street from the bars to McDonalds where local girls appear to congregate in front. There are carckdowns once in a while like before Chinese New Year this year. But one can easily find girls there.

I shy away from pairs of real pros as they are ugly up close and try to convince you to take them both. I don't know how many gents took this kind of fun but a buddy of mine said it was total waste of money as guess what? Both girls turned out to be duds in bed and just lay there giggling! Not the kind of scenes one expect from porno flick with sex starved sluts. The girls ended up giving him a hand job and they wouldn't even let him play with their pussies and just wanted to have him cum so they can go out to find more "suckers".

Back to how to pick... I agree with Moody as the safest bet is either girlfriend or favorite KTV girl. My KTV girl fucks and sucks like she watched few porno flicks but she won't watch it with me on my latop. But she is so good that I pay her $200 (1600 RMB) for overnight service. Sure it's lot of money but it's worth it as she treats me like long last boyfriend whenever we get togther and we do everything under the sun except anal literally all night.

I also agree with picking young girls who look like they just came from a countryside. I picked this innocent tall skinny one with darker skin from sun (not favored Chinese girl character) and she was the biggest dud I came across. She was afraid or something and just lay there and wouldn't let me do anything. I fought to touch her hole and taste her pussy which was foul tasting (bad hygine) and she was so dry that it was impossible to penetrate her. I got pissed so put my clothes back on, cmae back to KTV and demanded another one from mamasan thru my Chinese host. Well, they searched for girl good in bed and she was older girl but tall one. She was OK but sex was mechanical as one would expect from real pro but she did give decent blowjob.

Finally, you bring the KTV girl to your hotel room but my hotel is inside the SZ zone and girls don't have the pass to get in so I end up getting a room at the nearby hotel which can range from 4 star to literally a heavily guarded *****house.

As for barbershops, I don't have any experience. FYI, I'd only pay 200 RMB for the girl and tiny place where action happens. As a rule of thumb in KTV, girls makes 200 RMB if she sits with you and 500 to 600 RMB if she goes to your hotel for all nighter.

Happy Whoring!

Moody
08-10-02, 20:24
Lately, I have about 4 girls I regularly see in Shenzhen. For variety I usually go to Dongguan. All the 4-5 star places there have KTV with hot women. I have a friend I occasionally go with and he knows all the places around there. It's a little more expensive, 1000Y is the going rate, but sometimes it's worth it. I was kind of pissed the last time as I caught a social disease from one of the girls. I got over it though. Good thing I figured it out before I got home to my wife. I just pretended to be jet-lagged until I was cured.

sz_barber
08-11-02, 00:33
moody.....did u catch that disease even with the condom ??

Rtpman
08-11-02, 13:04
Soulman: I have found the same to be true of Chinese girls. Most do not give BJ and have never had anyone go down on them. My friend Csun213, whom I ususally travel with knows fruent Chinese so we ususally chat with the girl awhile before going off to do the deed. Once they are comfortable with you and see you are a nice person, they can sometimes be more willing to try something they haven't done before; like a bj. Sometimes, still they say no. That is ok for me unless a mommy or the girl has said in the selection process that she gives bj. I get her back to the room and she doesn't then I'm tempted to send them on their way with only taxi money.

I have been in Shekou as well on the road with all the bars near the Nan Hai hotel. I generally go there just to be teased. The clubs cost too much and the most of the street girls look too desperate. I've seen the pair of girls you talked about. Something about them also sent off warning bells in my head. I done threesomes but mostly with girls I first know and then have them bring over a friend the next time. We've found that unless the girls are very comfortable with each other.... there isn't a lot of interaction between the two girls and the threesome ends up a tag-team. One girl doing it with you while the other one is watching TV or playing with her cellphone :-)

SZ_barber - Condoms are recommended for safe sex. The only thing safer is no-sex :-) The mention about Condoms not being 100% safe isn't that condoms don't offer protection; it's because its possible for a condom to break during sex. I'm constantly amazed that some people are out there having frequent sex and don't even understand what the STD risks are, how to minimize them and how to separate hype/fiction from medical facts.

sz_barber
08-11-02, 14:49
is there any danger of STD from the BJ , or u put the
condom on even for the BJ ??

Soulman
08-11-02, 18:29
rtpman, csun and moody,

Any of you gents plan to be in SZ area in Sept? I may go there sometime in Sept and would love to hook up with you gents for some good times.

You can email me at cabaretvoltaireusa@hotmail.com

Thanks!

Csun213
08-12-02, 22:01
Hi Soulman, Rtpman and myself along some other people will be in Shenzhen sometime late Oct for a couple of days before going to Hainan.

Moody
08-12-02, 23:58
Originally posted by sz_barber
moody.....did u catch that disease even with the condom ??

Sometimes when one is really really drunk, one does not excercise the best of judgement. I didn't have a condom on. Slipped my mind in my drunken stupor.

Soulman
08-13-02, 05:03
Thanks Csun,

I don't think I'll be in SZ area in late Oct... What a shame as I would love to go to Haikou with you gents as I had boring time in Sanya last May.

SZ Barber,

I'd bring my own rubber. You can get them in hotel stores or numerous drug stores. Be sure to get imported Taiwanese rubber with fancier packaging. You get what you pay and one time the rubber this girl used on me felt more like kind of plastic bag you get at the market and not a "rubber". It even slipped out! Sure I was very drunk and had case of TDTF (too drunk to fuck) and had lousy hard on but it's no fun to slip your fingers inside girl's hole to retrieve the rubber. :)

Moody
08-13-02, 05:40
Originally posted by Soulman
rtpman, csun and moody,

Any of you gents plan to be in SZ area in Sept? I may go there sometime in Sept and would love to hook up with you gents for some good times.

You can email me at cabaretvoltaireusa@hotmail.com

Thanks!

I might have call to be there in early Sept. I have to double check a couple of things first. I will be there in late Aug., but I'm not sure how long I will be staying as I have to be in Shanghai also.

Crazy Guide
08-13-02, 10:25
Originally posted by moody


I might have call to be there in early Sept. I have to double check a couple of things first. I will be there in late Aug., but I'm not sure how long I will be staying as I have to be in Shanghai also.

Moody,

I am an american chinese in HK for a 3 weeks stay checking out some investments I had. I am somewhat fluent in Cantonese but have never been to SZ. If you don't mind, I'd like to tag along next time you go there (at least for part of the evening). Please let me know your next SZ dates. Or you can email me at ho9928@netscape.net

Csun213
08-13-02, 15:14
Hi Soulman, I am sure that we can get together sometime in the future because Rtpman and I normally go to Shenzhen and Hainan 3-4 times per year. Rtpman is working on a report for Shenzhen and should be posting it shortly.

Rtpman
08-13-02, 22:47
Shenzhen report- May 2002

I lucked out and my company wanted me to be in Shenzhen, China for a month. I'd just returned with Csun from Haikou where (as I previously posted) had a wonderful 10 days.

I'd been to Shenzhen a number of times so I knew pretty much where and how to find the action. I was staying at the Sunshine Hotel in the downtown district, which has a number of really nice hotels. The Sunshine wasn't my pick of where I wanted to stay, but it is close to the action and it was where my company would flip-the-bill. That being said it is 'guest' friendly assuming you get her to your room by 11pm. After 11pm they have a podium near the elevators and a hotel staff member there to check to see if you are staying at the hotel. There is also a sign on the podium that lets people know that the hotel policy is for guests not to be going up to rooms after 11pm. Enough of that. I assume its possible to pay a small fee and get by, but I just played by the rules.


I mentioned in my Haikou post that Csun has a regular momason that we work with in Shenzhen. This really works out well since I speak very little Mandarin. All I had to do was give her a call and she was waiting for me in 20 minutes. Csun has already told her the type of girls I like and I have used her services on my last 6 trips to Shenzhen, so she knows. I usually meet her at the Shangri-La hotel and then she would take me to one or more apartments to make my choice. For those who haven't read other posts on Shenzhen, there are dozens of large apartments near the downtown train station. The mommy will take you to an apartment where sometimes some girls are already waiting to be picked. She will make some calls and have a half-dozen or dozen girls show up. If you don't like what you see, there are other girls in the complex for her to call or from surrounding buildings. The mommies say they access to over 200 girls. I'll take their word for it since I've either found the girl I wanted or gave up long before that. I really appreciate Csun and our momason for their efforts in introducing me to some wonderful girls. Most were very shy at first but quickly warmed up and were great in bed.


For those that have been to Shenzhen before, the following has changed:

'J J's Disco' next to the Sunshine has been shut down and doesn't look like it will re-open. This should be old news for most.

The disco portion of the Golden Times Disco was closed in May. Not sure if its just undergoing renovations or closed for other reasons. I only went there once with a business associate for an hour. They had some live entertainment but the clientele was just couples and friends. I didn't see any groups of girls looking for company like there used to be in the disco section.

I checked the arcade that’s in the same building as New York, New York disco and only saw one or two girls that looked like they might be available. Otherwise it was just kids playing arcade games. Used to be a number of working girls could be found in the arcade, albeit hit-and-miss.

New York, New York disco is loud with non-stop house/trance disco music. Every time I went in there, I was hit on by at least one or two pretty ladies. Even our hostess one night asked me to stop by the next night when she wasn't working. Unfortunately, I was with fellow employees at the time and had to decline her offer (grrrrrrrrrr).

The Shangri-La hotel is under new management and has run the girls out of the hotel's sports bar. I was at the bar a number of times and never found any available girls. In the past there were usually a dozen girls that mingled around. All it took was eye contact and one or two would come over and see if you wanted some company. On the positive side, if you're dying for American food this is one of the better places to find it.

Goodfellas Bar (No. 98 ZhenHua Rd) is kind of an expat hangout. There is a good mixture of Chinese and foreigners and they play worldwide rock music. They have a small dance floor and I had no problem finding girls to dance with. They seemed friendly and I'm sure some are available.

Every night by sundown there would be about a dozen freelance girls outside my hotel. There are also some girls that walk along the sidewalk between the hotels. They are easy to spot. All it takes is a smile or eye contact and they will approach you. Most of the girls were in the 6 – 8 range, but there were a couple that were a solid 9s. I ended up sampling two of these freelance girls. The first one was 18, hot and sexy. Once we were in my hotel room though, she turned all business. The sex was fine but she had such a blah personality, I never choose her again. The second girl I choose had asked me two days in a row if I was interested but she always caught me after I'd just finished with another girl so needless to say I wasn't in the mood that soon. On the third night she snagged me right after I was coming back from dinner. She had a much better personality than the first girl and spoke some English. She told me she would give me a massage and sex for 400rmb. Okie dokey by me. Well the sex happened first but that was fine. She was very passionate and gave a very good BBBJ. I nearly always use my own condoms because I don't like the small Chinese ones. On this occasion she had one handy first and slipped it on. Don't you know it, halfway through I notice that I've torn through the condom. What worried me more is how long she spent telling me not to worry that she was 'ok down there'. Once would have been fine. After she said it a few more times it started making me nervous. I have since had a complete STD check-up just to make sure I didn't pick up anything from that accident.

Csun did an excellent job in taking me around to some of the better restaurants and massage places. I would be on my own for a month and I wanted to get a variety of places to choose from.

He and I also came across another mommy that worked in the same area as our regular mommy. Her name was Icey and said she had a better selection of girls (they all say that). Since she spoke some English we figured we'd try her out. Maybe she thought I was naive and/or my first time in China. She always brought over the dregs of the apartment. I kept checking my forehead to see if I had 'show me the girls no one else would want' stamped on it! I ended up turning her selection of girls down 3 times before she finally presented a girl I thought looked pretty. Icey had assured me the girl gave BJ but in reality she had never given one in her life and I wasn't going to be her first either. Each time I tried Icey’s services she would ask me to tell my friends to call Icey. I don't think she ever understood that I would have been happy too if she had shown me decent looking girls. We decided to give her one last chance. Csun explained explicitly that I wanted a selection of pretty girls to choose from and I didn't want to see anyone that wouldn't do a BJ. He told her this was her last chance. I showed up 20 minutes later. Icey was standing outside the apartment and said she had the perfect girl for me. After having me wait outside the building for 10 minutes the girl shows up. She looked like she ate exclusively at McDonalds and KFC fast-food restaurants. I couldn't believe she was showing me this chunky lady. I asked to see the other girls she was supposed to have lined up. She said she would have to call some. I just walked away and called our regular mommy.

I generally had two girls per day. One repeat and one new girl. Csun had introduced me to a GF of his. She wasn't in the business and had a regular day job. At first she was apprehensive about being with a foreigner who didn't even speak her language but willing. She was 20 years old, and a very warm and friendly lady. After an awkward 10 or 15 minutes she proceeded to share some of the most pleasurable GF sex I've had. Another plus was she knew where to go to get all the trinkets I’d promised friends back home, without paying tourist prices to get them. It’s really great to have a local doing your price negotiations for you.

My other regular girl was Awei who I’d been with the night before I went to Haikou. She was learning English and I was eager to try my Chinese. Thinking back on it we spent almost as much time practicing each other’s language as we did sex. She’s a sharp lady who will only be in the pay-for-play until she lands a regular job. Every man has their idea of the perfect female body. Ok, hers wasn’t perfect but it pushed all the right buttons for me no matter how long and tough my day had been at work.

I made a couple of stops to the Shekou area. There is a couple blocks filled with bars near the Nan Hai hotel that has action. Back in the oil-boom days the guys would come in by the dozens looking for beer and women. All these bars sprung up to ‘service’ the guys, however the boom days are gone. The bars are still there but now all compete for the tourists that happen to wonder down the row of bars. There are simply too many bars and girls for the area so its not uncommon to find some bars completely empty of customers. As you can imagine each establishment is fairly aggressive in trying to get you your business. It reminds me a lot of the bars in the Hong Kong Wan Chai district. Difference is the drinks are a little cheaper and the girls are a heck of a lot cheaper. Still though, it makes no sense to spend money to bar-fine one of these girls when there are plenty of available freelancers outside. Over all it’s a nice place to go to have some fun but IMHO there are prettier girls for less money downtown.

Moody
08-13-02, 23:15
Originally posted by carygrant


Moody,

I am an american chinese in HK for a 3 weeks stay checking out some investments I had. I am somewhat fluent in Cantonese but have never been to SZ. If you don't mind, I'd like to tag along next time you go there (at least for part of the evening). Please let me know your next SZ dates. Or you can email me at ho9928@netscape.net

Hi carygrant,

Like I said in my previous post, I'll probably be there around the end of this month into early next month. I'll be sure to send you an email when I arrive. Shenzhen is a great place if you like Chinese women, like I do.:D

Moody
08-13-02, 23:20
rtpman,

How do you remember the names of these places? I've been to Shenzhen 3 times so far this year alone for probably a total of 45-50 days and I still can't remember half the places I've been to.

Crazy Guide
08-14-02, 03:33
Originally posted by moody


Hi carygrant,

Like I said in my previous post, I'll probably be there around the end of this month into early next month. I'll be sure to send you an email when I arrive. Shenzhen is a great place if you like Chinese women, like I do.:D

moody,

Thanks, can't wait. Should be a blast.

Soulman
08-14-02, 04:55
Moody,

Cool! I will be in SZ area after the labor day holiday. It'd be great if we can hang out together. :) I'll probably stay at new Crowne Plaza (also known as Venice Hotel and girls hanging out on lobby all the time). Please email me at cabaretvoltaireusa@hotmail.com

Thanks!

Moody
08-14-02, 12:33
Originally posted by Soulman
Moody,

Cool! I will be in SZ area after the labor day holiday. It'd be great if we can hang out together. :) I'll probably stay at new Crowne Plaza (also known as Venice Hotel and girls hanging out on lobby all the time). Please email me at cabaretvoltaireusa@hotmail.com

Thanks!

Soulman, I'll email you my cell phone number when I get there. I'm not 100% sure if I'll still be there after labor day though. :(

Moody
09-12-02, 14:34
Soulman, carygrant,

I apologize for not getting in contact with you guys sooner. Some unexpected events forced me to postpone my trip to China. I would have notified you guys sooner, but I didn't think this forum would go down as fast as it did. Anyway, it looks like I won't be going until the end of Sept. at the earliest. Let me know if you guys are still interested in getting together sometime.

Later,

Moody.

Soulman
09-14-02, 13:07
Oh Moody,

I'm typing this on my last night in HK in hotel pc! I dared not to type in this site on my laptop where I access internet thru company VPN. Tried to use Cathay Pacific lounge in Taipei few days ago but they blocked it as "adult" site! So much for executive lounge priviliges...

Man, I missed this board!

I've been in SZ twice in last 3 weeks but it was part of asia whirlwind trip and only got to spend 1 night 3 weeks ago and 2 nights this week. I may be back in the week of 9/23... I'll share my China mobile phone number with any interested partiers out there. My email address is cabaretvoltaireusa@hotmail.com

Anyway some updates...

When I was in Crowne Plaza 2 weeks ago for a night, I saw the cute sexy pros hanging out on the lobby as usual which is bit unsual in plain sight. Well, was there last night and now they have security guard hanging out. This ahole even told me not to put my foot on table. I was out there to meet the girl I picked up from Shekou 2 weeks ago but she was late so ended up checking things out. Well, security is so tight now that my pro girlfrined called me on my mobile phone right outside the hotel lobby. Since I speak very little if any Mandarin I had the hotel staff translate...

Anyway, I picked up this rather plain looking girl hanging out in front of McDonald's in Shekou 2 weeks ago. It was obious that she was new to business and agreed to 200 RMB. Brought her back expeciting uneventful 200 RMB sex but hse turned out to be out of this world lay. It felt like I was having sex with a new girlfriend or long lost lover... It was passinate as hell and we syncjed very well and she did everything. I asked her to stay (I use babelfish website on altavista) and we had another explosive session in early morning. I told her I'd be back week after and she called me first on my first night in SZ. I had a date I met thru penpal service but dumped her. Well, it was another explosive session. I mean she really really enjoyed sex with me. I put 400 HKD in her pocket like I did when we first got together and she was angry and in tears... I slipped the money in her pocket so it was not the amount but she was insulted that I treated her like a pro. GO figure... She angrily put the money in my pcoket. I felt terrible. We had breakfast together and came back to the room to play more. I think she is in love with me but we can't communicate (I can only thru babelfish website which does translation). Well, I felt bad so I asked her to take the money since she told me she is heading home in Hunan for a month starting next Fri for harvest moon holiday. She reluctantly did.

So be careful gents as amaterur pros may fall in love with you... I kind a fell guilty though never told her I love her. :(

DayNight
09-16-02, 13:27
Massage places - just asking

I have been a few times to a massage place 2 hours away from Shenzhen, somewhere beyond Donguan City.

It was always very nice. The place was very clean, the massage room (like a small hotel room) had a large shower and a steam bath. It was RMB118 for 2 hours.

The gals where very nice and did everything for RMB 300

Now my question:

Has someone tried similar places in CheungMukTau or TangXia?

Any good massage places in Shenzhen?

Soulman
09-17-02, 03:06
I tried full massage at 2 places.

First was the joint behind Holiday Inn where you access thru a catwalk. That was 2 years ago and I was too "shy" to ask for extra service since I don't know Mandarin. But the girl did work around my tool to make sure it was stiff thru out. What I learned later is that they want you to book 2 hrs with 2nd hr reserved for handjob and maybe blowjob.

Second was a hotel near Crowne Plaza. It's opposite of Walmart. Anyway, my host took me to VIP room and it was big and nicely furnished. Anyway, host booked 2 hrs and I chose this real cuti with beautiful legs. She let me touch her thigh and underwear. It was fun trying to get her "wet". Anyway I think she offered me a handjob or blowjob but didn't understand. She gave me 1/2 hr handjob. She was getting antsy because I wouldn't cum but hell I was enjoying her doing it. Finally I came and she was very impressed with how far my load ended up (almost my face). Well, let's say I was very excited. :) I didn't pay so don't know how much it costed but my host said it's "cheaper" on the less nicer room and girls I presume on 1st floor.

Check it out!

PS - I enjoy the whole works (I can do handjob myself!) so prefer to pick up a girl for fun times in my hotel room.

Baby Huey
09-17-02, 21:06
I will be going to Shenzhen for the first time in November. Is there any 4 or 5 star hotels to stay at that are good? That girls hang'in out at or close too, to have fun with? Do any these hotels have in house massage place or have in-room massage girls that are younger with F.S.? What are the costs, length, etc.? Does anybody got any good contacts for some fun in Shenzhen? Thanks for any help!

Baby Huey
09-17-02, 21:28
Is there any good web sites with information on the fun in Shenzhen?

Csun213
09-18-02, 15:23
Hi jimhart69, do you speak Chinese? Also when are you going to be there in Nov? A few friends and I will be in Shenzhen and Hainan from Oct 27th through Nov 9th. I have some contacts in Shenzhen however she only speaks Chinese.

Jumbo88
09-18-02, 16:27
to jimhart69, try shenzhenparty.com. It's about shenzhen party places and events. Possible good location for huntings.

Baby Huey
09-18-02, 19:54
I only speak Endlish, Korean, and some Thai. No Chinesse. I am going to be there Late November. I will check the site. My e-mail is jimhart69@hotmail.com

Soulman
09-19-02, 02:34
Jimhart,

I would recommend new Crowne Plaza (also known to local Chinese as Venice Hotel) but they now have security guard in the lobby. There were always cute girls there (different one most nights) but anymore. One other hotel I'd recommend is Nanhai in Shekou. There are bar scenes near hotel but AVOID them unless wasting money buying drinks for girls with very limited English appeals to you. At the end you lose lots of RMB/HKD and no piece of action. Walk toward McDonalds (where statue and ship stuck in golf course and also near Korean restaurant) and there in front of McDonalds you'll see girls waiting to get picked up. Also main street to McDonalds from the bars has some gilrs hanging out (but not lately). Going rate for foreigner is 200 to 400 RMB. And in terms of selection, it goes from cute to average looking. In terms of how they turn out in bed, well it's tough to tell so expect boring session with no oral or even kissing.

Good Luck!

Rtpman
09-19-02, 12:56
Jimhart - What soulman says is true about the Crown plaza but it wants to present itself as a family or business oriented hotel. Shekou is ok but I've never seen the quality selection of girls there that you will find downtown. I'd recommend the Sunshine. The people speak English and there is always a bevy of beauties hanging around outside. If you want more semi-pro action there are a lot of discos and arcade in the area.

Soulman
09-20-02, 03:40
rptman,

I agree with you on street girls in Shekou. Well, you won't find too many beauties there for sure.

I'm heading back to SZ next week. Where is Sunshine Hotel and nearby discos located in? Near Lowu or Futian? Will taxi driver understand "sunshine hotel"? What's the going rate for all nighter? How do you approach the semi-pro girls in disco? I prefer the semi-pros.

Thanks

DayNight
09-20-02, 10:59
I'm just back from ZhangMukTou, 20 Minutes north of SZ by train.

I did not find any suitable places in time, so I opted for one of the large number of 'barber shops' near the trainstation.

The gal was very nice, very very good figure to. Sex was RMB300 (I know, too much, who cares?)

But please help to spread the message: Vaginal small is not sexy!

(I remembered why I don't like barber shops - no shower facilities!)

CC1024
09-20-02, 12:01
Dear csun213

Would love to know your contact, I do speak fluent Chinese and do travel to Shenzhen alot.

cc1024@hotmail.com

Thanks

cc1024


Originally posted by csun213
Hi jimhart69, do you speak Chinese? Also when are you going to be there in Nov? A few friends and I will be in Shenzhen and Hainan from Oct 27th through Nov 9th. I have some contacts in Shenzhen however she only speaks Chinese.

Rtpman
09-20-02, 15:04
Soulman - I need to correct myself. I have come across some pretty girls in Shekou. Its just seems like sometimes they are the exception, not the rule in Shekou.

The Sunshine hotel is down town in the Lowu area, not Futian. Taxi drivers should know of it. Its on Jiabin Road. If you go to any of the four star hotels and ask the Bell captain to have them get a taxi for you to the Sunshine, there won't be any problem.

Just down the street from the Sunshine is New York, New York. Its a large disco playing House/Trance music. The only time I wasn't approached by a girl looking for dancing and more was when I was with a female co-worker. There are a dozen or so good size discos in the area. As in Shekou, you will be approached numerous times either by freelance girls or by mommies asking if you want a girl.

DayNight
09-28-02, 11:49
I got a new top top top place!

Location: Just outside Tang Xia (cantonese 'Tong Ha')

You can take a minibus from the Lohu bus station (below the shopping center). Parking space #35 cost RMB 25.00

It's about 50 Minutes out of SZ.

Name: Jin Dao Sauna

It's behind the Jin Dao Hotel (the driver will know). The building is separated from the Hotel.

Room: very clean! Like a small hotel room. With a nice bathroom, also including a steam bath! RMB 158 for 2 hours

'Helpers': For RMB 350 I got a very very nice nice energetic lady. Early 20th, excellent figure! Very playfull, did french kissing and did also a wonderfull hot water BJ! (never had that before, excellent!) Of course full sex too!

After this I won't try other places! I'll be back!

Jazman
10-01-02, 23:07
rtpman

i am planning a trip to china in november. i will be staying in downtown Shenzhen. My previous stay at the Landmark Hotel, the girls there were not so hot.

I noticed on your post you mentioned the Sunshine Hotel. What can yu tell me about the girls and the management there. I am particular and enjoy girls between 19-24 petite and sexy.

is the sunshine hotel a good recommendation or do you recommedn another hotel

Rtpman
10-02-02, 13:08
For Jazman - I stayed at the Sunshine because it was approved by my company. That being said I can still recommend it. Most of the staff speak some English (thats a plus). The rooms are nice and security is good.

There is always a bevy of beauties that hang outside the hotel and around the block starting at about dusk. The hotel doesn't mind you bringing guests to your room PROVIDED YOU DO SO BEFORE 11PM. Thats very important because they set a podium up near the elevators and check people going up to be sure they are registered guests. I find that a negative. In my case it didn't really matter since I'd usually always found someone before 11 anyway. I could see how it might not be good for those that stay out late at the discos and try to bring someone back.

Given my choice I'd probably stay at the Jing Peng. Its not as plush as the Sunshine but the price is about half and it is very, very guest friendly (on the plus side). The staff speaks very limited English (a negative). However, they don't have any girls hanging around so that may not be to your liking. I have a mommy that csun213 uses so I don't generally choose that many girl from the street anyway.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Jazman
10-03-02, 00:13
to rtpman

thanks for your input.

actually im not a big disco man and i am uncomfortable picking up the girls on the street. does the sunshine have a bar or lounge. do the girls hang out in there lounge or bar.
about a year ago i stood at the shangra la at bj's. ive been told that mgmnt does not allow the girls into bj's. however i found the girls pretty and quite cute. i picked one up at bj and had a delightful time.

what about at the the Sunshine hotel.

I tried the landmark but the 2 times i stayed there the girls were old. besides i did not like there lounge onthe first floor.

what else do u recommedn for me.
to rtpman

by the way where can i get in touch with your mommy

does she talk english. how is her goods.

i prefer taking the girl to my hotel room

you seem to be quite a expert

MpfsLover
10-06-02, 21:54
I was recently in SZ and got tired of the street scene one night decided to try out one of the new massage place. This place is located very near the Lo Wu train station. If you leave the train station walking towards Shangri-La, it is on the left hand side, five minutes walk, across from the Lo Wu commercial shopping building, where most of the Hong Kong people comes to shop.

Once you arrive at this building, go to 5th floor.
You will find a huge massage parlor, they claim over 30,000 sq ft. 78 massage rooms, 168 bed. It doesn't appear you get get any special service here, but what the heck, since I am here, I'll settle for a nice professional rub. On the rooms, they have single bed, two beds to a room and 4 beds to a room. If you have a group, you can take the 4 to a room. The ladies all dress in uniform, so you know this place is clean..

Anyway, for all who is interested in a good massage. the price is very reasonable..back massage 1 hr is 30rmb, foot massage is 40 rmb.
Total out the door is less than 10USD.

The place opens 24hr.
phone 86-755-8232-8638

Soulman
10-10-02, 03:16
Hi Gents,

I'll be in SZ area on the week of 10/21. Anyone interested in getting together for adventures of sort? I don't speak Mandarin so it would be great if someone who speaks the language can join me and others from this board. Please email me at cabaretvolaitreusa@hotmail.com and we can exchange mobile numbers.

Thanks

Rtpman
10-10-02, 12:33
Soulman - How long are you going to be in SZ area? I should be there on the 27th.

Soulman
10-11-02, 01:01
Rtpman,

I'll leave on Sun, 10/27, to HK. I plan to stay in Crowne Plaza for the weekend and check out on Sun. I gotta return home for Haloween activities for the kids. :} Sorry I'll miss you guys in Hainan... I really wanted to check out the scenes in Haikou since my time in Sanya was not all that good. If I don't run into you gents then have a good time! I certainly will try with a new "legitimate" penpal friend and new friend from street of Shekou...

As always have "safe" fun!

PS - Not to sound too many alarms BUT I saw an interesting article on Times Asia edition on my last trip to Asia about seriousness of AIDS in China. Appreantly type A from India and Type B from Thailand got mixed and Type AB (very new strain) and spreading from Burma border all the way up to Inner Mongolia by ahole Chinese truckers who don't believe in wearing rubber. So please be careful and ask the girl where she is from. This long road starts in border of Burma passing Sichuan. I heard there're lots of working girls from Sichuan in SZ/Dongguan area. Also Henan province is infamous for whole village getting aids from unsanitary blood collections done in 80's.

So not to sound chicken but letting you know that we need to be careful. :)

Csun213
10-11-02, 01:26
Hi Soulman, I am going to be in Shenzhen around Oct 23rd or so waiting for Rtpman and others to arrive for our trip to Hainan. If you will e-mail me your Shenzhen phone number then I can call you once I arrive. We can get together if you are interested.

Soulman
10-11-02, 02:44
Csun,

Thanks for letting me know. Please send me your email address and I'll send you my mobile number in China. My email address is: cabaretvoltaireusa@hotmail.com

Looking forward to partying together with you and the regulars on this board!

Franco
10-15-02, 11:34
Where can we find not far from the Lo Wu Station a high class sauna place where one can get FS ?

Any possibility of fetish : uniforms ? stockings ?.....

Any idea of price? .....


Thanks for your help.

Franco
10-15-02, 11:39
Has anybody tried the girls in the Century Palza Hotel "piano bar" at the 4th or 5th floor (cannot remember) ?

Have only heard good things about it, but have not yet tried..

Anybody can share his experience ?

Rtpman
10-15-02, 13:16
franco - I stayed at the Century Plaza a few times last year. The girls in the hotel lounge are in their early 20's. Generally some nice 7 - 8 ladies that dress nice. When I was there it was 800rmb for the girl and her momason got 200. Most of the girls know some English.

In the Disco it's pretty much the same action I guess. I only went there twice and both times the disco itself was dead but there was 2 or 3 girls waiting. It reminded me of stateside strip clubs. The girls were hustling for drinks. After one round for a lady I figured I could do better than this.

Bottom line is if you don't speak Chinese and don't have any contacts, its better than nothing. The girls are pleasant and you are guaranteed no hassles from the hotel.

Hope this helps

Franco
10-15-02, 14:24
rtpman - thanks for sharing this with us. I will go there next Friday, I will update you on the new rates....

You got any tips to my orther question : where can we find not far from the Lo Wu Station a high class sauna place where one can get FS ? Any possibility of fetish : uniforms ? stockings ?.....

Rtpman
10-16-02, 12:49
franco - I'm sure you will have a good time. I am also heading to China next Friday and will spend one night in Shenzhen before heading off to Hainan island.

There is plenty of action all around the train station at Lo Wu. There are lots of suanas and mommies hustling girls out of the apartments around the nice hotels. I have no idea about fetishes though. Unless you speak the language you are going to have an almost impossible task of getting anyone there to understand what you want.

My friend csun213 who posts should have just arrived in Shenzhen. He will be checking his email and perhaps here as well. Perhaps he knows of such a place.

Jazman
10-17-02, 00:05
rtpman


thanks for your previous input

I am noe planning a trip to chia in November. I have a choice to stay at the Sunshine Hotel or the Crown plaza

in your experience where do you find the better quality girls
8-9 is good for me. i love slim and tight

What do u suggest

Franco
10-17-02, 02:02
rtpman -

I know there is a lot of action around Lo Wu, and have been there many many times, but I have never found the nice classy sauna place where I could have a good relaxation & FS with no rush.

Could you, csun123 or any brother in this forum recommend something ( a name and address) ?

DayNight
10-17-02, 03:33
The Lowu area is the scum of China. Why would anyone hang out there?

At least move a few blocks away from the train station towards the Sunshine Hotel.

Loafer
10-17-02, 03:51
franco:

Lowu indeed seems to be the wrong place to find your classy sauna plus FS: the saunas i tried there only offered HJ, or no extras at all. although i disagree to call Lowu the scum of China (what a useless remark!).

perhaps rtpman or csun213 can give a precise lead?

Rtpman
10-17-02, 13:41
Jazman - The crown plaza is a family/business oriented place IMHO. While there are a few girls that they allow to hang out there, it's simply NOT where the action is. I'd stay at the Sunshine. If you don't like what you find hanging around in your block and and the clubs, go to any adjacent block. All within walking distance.

Daynight - For your information I consider the Sunshine, Century Plaza, Shangri-la, Landmark etc ALL to be in the Lowu AREA. It's only a 15 or 20 minute walk from the Sunshine to the train station. I walked there numerous times. When someone tells me a 'target rich environment' is scum I usually figure that means they either didn't know where or how to get laid or there was something about their personality that kept them from getting laid.

Franco - We'll have to wait and see if csun checks the board. He speaks fluent Chinese and can ask some of the girls where you can find what you are looking for.

Loafer - walk around the blocks between the Shangri-la down to the KFC (past the Century Plaza hotel). One morning at 7:30 I walked around the block past the Century plaza and counted 31 times I was asked if I wanted to get laid. The only way you can't get laid in this area is if you can't say 'yes'.

In general folks you have to remember where you are. It's mainland China. Life is rough. Girls aren't going to be hanging around street corners in formals. The average Chinese/Taiwan guy goes to a mommy, picks out a pretty girl and boinks her in the room they provide at the apartments or they go to a Karoke club, chat up a girl for awhile and take her back to their hotel. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do". However, since we don't speak Chinese that makes it pretty tough to 'chat up' a chick.

If you want to find something less 'point and click' go to the discos like New York, New York or True colors. Dance a little, hit on a girl or let one hit on you, go back to your hotel and do the deed. Classy? I dunno they dress nice in the latest fashions.

That leaves the Karoke/KTV clubs. There you will find girls that dress really nice and will be happy to sit with you. But since most of us don't speak Chinese, I can't for the life of me figure out why someone would want to bore some girl out of her mind by subjecting her to sitting at their table while they gawk at her.
Classy? I guess so, but again the only difference between her and the girl in the apartment is that this one has a nice dress on and is going to charge you about 3 times as much to do the same thing.

There are two types of saunas in China. Legit and those that do the extras. The nicer classier ones are probably going to be legit. The smaller ones are going to do a little more if nothing more to compete with the classier legit places. You guys keep getting HJ because you don't speak the language. They may offer more but they aren't dumb folks. They will always try to get away with as little as possible for the same money. It's just their culture. They may pretend to only offer a hj because they know they have you at a disadvantage. You can't negociate and they know you are horny. They bet you will settle for a hj compared to walking out. I don't know what the answer is because I don't speak very much Chinese either. That is also why I don't go to saunas for anything other than a massage. I go to the mommies at the apartments or girls out front of my apartment for FS.

Prostitution is illegal in China and in the last month there has been a serious crackdown nationwide. Chinese police don't need proof that the girl is a sex worker. If she looks and acts like a hooker, they don't need any other reason to not hassle her. That is why things aren't out in the open as much as other countries.

Hope this helps some.

Soulman
10-18-02, 04:02
Hi Gents!

Rtpman, thanks for sharing more insights!

The lobby scenes at Crowne Plaza changed almost overnight... One week I'm there in late August I see the girls hanging out in the lobby and one week later and they're gone! They have security guard there and this asshole gave me hard time for my shoes touching table and another guest for sitting semi reclined on a chair. I was pissed so let the night manager know that they ought to fire this SOB. I haven't checked the disco but the girls may have moved there. Disco is a real nice place inside but usually empty and no working girls. Besides, when the girls used to hang out at lobby (after 9 PM to 12 AM), the prices they quoted were kind a high (600 RMB for short time or less than 1 hr). It was interesting to see different girls there every night although there was a regular 10+ cuti who asked for 800 RMB and I almost went for her. There are some American style bars in front of park behind Walmart which is a short walk but no working girls there either.

I find most girls thru my Taiwanese/HK friends in the karaoke bars. It's amazing in that most karaoke bars are brothel in disguise. In other Asian countries, girls from karaoke type bar probably wouldn't go out with their guest but in China, this is pre-requiste to work there. Girls make 200 RMB to sit next to you (and you can grope them and stuff) and 600 RMB for sitting next to you and sex. And girl has to have sex with the guest if he chose her and want to do her. They don't work if there're on rags. I've been to quite a few (5+) in SZ and Dongguan area and feel like kid in a candy store. Sure I had some duds but I had some sex starved girls as well and I exchange mobile phone numbers with them and call them in late day. You see they don;t have to give mummy and house money if they fool around before going to work or on weekends. And I speak very little Chinese! I do bug my Chinese friends to arrange the rendevous. :) Anyway, the incredible choice at karaoke is wonderful and 1 place I went to had over 500 girls to choose from!

And for the routine bust by gongan (police), they frisk the girl to see if she has condom on her. If they find rubber then she is a prostiture which kind a sucks because this may encourage unsafe sex of sort. So always carry your own and buy imported rubber from hotel or drug store. They cost 45 RMB vs 15 RMB for local brand. Uh, I had misfortune of rubber splitting on me and it's not pleasant feeling so carry your own from US or buy imported brand. I carry Cipro with me so I took it after my tool got exposed. Cipro is good for anthrax as well as 1 pill to get rid of gonorhea. Uh, I forgot; it's great antibiotic for the stocmach troubles and runs. :)

Loafer
10-18-02, 04:39
rtpman:

thanks for your input. i was actually asking about a possible lead into a sauna with full service. you seem to confirm that it is tough to find. btw, i'm almost fluent in mandarin, and i never had trouble to get laid in shenzhen. although i have been staying away from these pimps in the streets for safety concerns. but even if you don't speak chinese, you should still be able to get the maximum possible service out of a girl in a massage place, as they know that the tip for her will highly depend on the service rendered. a hj won't get her the same tip as a fs. and i'm sure they are trying to maximize their benefit as far as possible. so if i get only a hj, i guess she can or want not do more.

Rtpman
10-18-02, 12:51
Soulman - Sounds like you have had really good luck with the KTV clubs. I've only been to a couple and since I don't speak enough Chinese to carry on a conversation it seemed a waste of time to me. I'm sure thats just me. I don't sing that well and there is that little voice going off in my head saying "Don't let your little brain think for you right now. Wait until the afternoon and get her for 1/3 the price". As far as the Crown Plaza goes, most of my company's people stay there. It isn't far from work and it is a nice new hotel. They think I'm crazy for staying downtown but of course they don't know of my hidden agenda with girls. If I took my wife to China I'd probably stay at the crown. Take her to Windows of the world, the theme park and things around there. However, by myself it is just too far from the action.

You're right about getting the girls cheaper when she isn't working. We use this strategy a lot in Haikou. Many of the girls we find or have brought over are actually club girls that are trying to make a little more outside of business hours. So as such we end up seeing the same girls but at a third of the cost that others are paying to take them out of the clubs. Granted they are in jeans instead of a nice dress, but soon they won't even be wearing their jeans :-)

Loafer I know in Haikou there are girls in the suanas there that do fs but you have to ask for them. I've had girls automatically offer to give me a hj but thats all. All I've ever been offered in SHZ is just a hj as well. Since you speak Chinese it must be not that common for the classy places to offer it. I do agree you have to be careful about the pimps. I never go with a man pimp. I have csun's mommy usually show me girls. I trust her and she takes me to the type of girls I want to try. Since sometimes you end up at other mommies places you start learning who some of the other mommies are that you would feel safe going up to an apartment with. Its only by this networking that I ever go with a mommy. Otherwise there is too much chance of getting robbed or set-up.

Hammer_15213
10-18-02, 21:53
franco...

I was at the new century plaza a couple of weeks ago. There's about 20-30 girls there. They were okay. Nothing more than a 7-8 at the most... I went with one of my father's friends who knew all the girls. He's a dog :) He said, they usually ask for $800ST but he knows them, so I got a discount. $600. :) It was okay. I prefer the girls are Dongguan. I went to one of the little districts or areas of dongguan that had 300 girls to choose from. That was much better. I love walking into the room where all the girls are sitting and waiting...... 300 of them!!!!! My jaw just drops...... and I can't pick it up......... I usually pick 4 girls to sit with me at the KTV'S. And then the 2 nicest ones, I take home. I pick 4 is for safety....... Just in case some of them aren't as fun as I would like.........

I've only been back in the U.S. for a couple days now... I'm having china-withdrawl...... So, I'm planning another trip in Nov. or Dec... This time, I'm taking my brother..... To show him what girls should be like...... :)

I've been to China 3 times now. And I've been to a lot of cities, Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Changsa, Chengdu, Zuhai, etc...

I might get some slack for this but the girls at Changsa are by far the prettiest that I have seen in China......

***This is just from my experience, these are big cities, and I'm sure that I'm making a generalization****

--Shenzhen girls are definitely more die-hard pros........ "Stick and Go"
--Beijing girls are friendlier than Shenzhen..... "The ones that I met are more innocent"
--Shanghai girls......... "The girls just want better life whether you pay them or not. take them out to eat etc..., then you can get them easily"
--Chengdu girls........ "they are very friendly and are quite attractive"
--Changsa girls........ "very very pretty.... and this girl that I was with is by far the best asian girl that I have had sex with" And that's a pretty large number...... I might even fly her to Shanghai to see me next time..... :) Also another girl here had 36D.... tell me that you guys have seen that....... REAL ONES TOO!!!
--Zuhai ......... "They're more pro than Shenzhen..... you get solicited every 2 steps that you take.... it can actually get scary and annoying"

alright... I have to find the notes that I took so that I can write some more detailed reports.

BTW, I love CHINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What am I doing here in the states? I should be back there in heaven :)

Macauman
10-20-02, 01:46
I'm with you Hammer. I'm a veteran of five trips, and every time I come back, I go into a major depression. I watch the bullshit my buddies put up with from stuck-up American bitches in their 30's and 40's and I just shake my head and laugh. When I tell them what a male paradise China is, they think I'm nuts for going over there. Trip #6 comes in November. I'm counting the hours. Count me in as a true China lover as well!!!

Erik
10-20-02, 12:43
Hammer,
Would you be so kind to give us more detailed info about the places in Donguan ? Maybe write it in the proper Guangdong or Shenzhen section. I am a bit puzzled : is there no risk of ripp off in the Karaoke out there ? That would be the only town in China. I usually NEVER get girls in Karaoke because of too many ripp off, but if yu says so...
Thanks.

DSB
10-21-02, 17:05
Staying at the Shang tonight in Lowu. Went to the Century Plaza to find that they have closed the 4th floor for renovations.
Not sure how long it's closed for, but they've locked off the elevator to that floor, so it looks major.

Strike this one off the list for a while at least.

dsb

Moody
10-21-02, 23:06
Originally posted by Erik
Hammer,
Would you be so kind to give us more detailed info about the places in Donguan ? Maybe write it in the proper Guangdong or Shenzhen section. I am a bit puzzled : is there no risk of ripp off in the Karaoke out there ? That would be the only town in China. I usually NEVER get girls in Karaoke because of too many ripp off, but if yu says so...
Thanks.

In Dongguan, I've been to 5 different Karaoke places. I haven't been ripped off yet. I only remember the names of two of them. One is the Dongguan Garden Hotel. The other is the Lungcheng Hotel. Both are very nice hotels. They both have Karaoke. Going rate for all night is 1000RMB. The Lungcheng even had a girl who spoke a little English. To make things even more interesting, she used to be a ballet dancer and she could bend her body in all sorts of...interesting ways. Make sure to have your own condoms though, the front desk typically charges you 200RMB to have the bell boy deliver them to you with a silly smile on his face.

Asian_Pimp
10-21-02, 23:25
Hey MOODY

Great post. I'm planning on going to ShenZhen in December. How does these karaoke places work? I meant I'll be going alone. Do you just do the girl in the karaoke room? or what's the deal?? Please explain in more details please. email me if you want. xoxo_boy@yahoo.com. thanks

DA Pimp


Originally posted by moody
In Dongguan, I've been to 5 different Karaoke places. I haven't been ripped off yet. I only remember the names of two of them. One is the Dongguan Garden Hotel. The other is the Lungcheng Hotel. Both are very nice hotels. They both have Karaoke. Going rate for all night is 1000RMB. The Lungcheng even had a girl who spoke a little English. To make things even more interesting, she used to be a ballet dancer and she could bend her body in all sorts of...interesting ways. Make sure to have your own condoms though, the front desk typically charges you 200RMB to have the bell boy deliver them to you with a silly smile on his face.

Jazman
10-22-02, 00:32
HAMER 15213

HOW FAR AWAY IS Changsa FROM SZ. SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PLACEWHAT HOTELO U RECOMMEND

Hammer_15213
10-22-02, 03:13
Erik,

It's a district called Qingxi, it's within dongguan. I can't remember the english name of the establishment. The chinese name is something like "gold" bao. It had a court area in the middle where customers get these huts or houses instead of the traditional rooms.

I think it's catered mostly to Taiwan business people that works there. My father's business partners showed me everything.

About karaoke ripoffs. I'm not sure about the ripoffs since I usually go with locals or business people who are very familiar with the mommy's and/or managers there.

All of my prices were 2-5-8. with about $20 for taxi.

200 to sit and sing etc..
500 for ST
800 for overnight

asian_Pimp.

karaoke place is fun if you go with friends or business partners and if you like to sing. And the girls are like supplements. It all depends on how you are. I am not as aggressive as some of the guys that I went with. So, I just put my arms around them etc... While I have friends who will make them play drinking games and take off their clothes, stick their hands down their pants, etc... everything you can think of.

Basically the way it works is:

1. you go in and sit.
2. mommy brings a group of girls (5 or 6 at a time)
3. you pick as many as you want. or ask for new ones (some places have as low as 20-up to over 400 girls)
4. you drink, sing and have fun especially if you're with your friends.
5. at the end of the night, you can decide to take them home. and the prices are above.

karaokes aren't places just for looking for girls. it's more like a place that has singing, food, and a little entertainment and the girls are just supplementing the fun. at least that's the way that I see it.

if you're just looking for girls then get to know a mommy from these places and call her durign the day and have her sent some girls over.


jazman,

Changsa is about an hour flight. I stayed at the Dolton hotel. www.dolton-hotel.com It's a 5-star hotel. Actually this might be the reason why the girls there seem the prettiest. I went with my parents :) They're very liberal... they actually help me pick out girls...... :) We got a very good deal through a travel agency in china. if you pay cash you can usually get over 60% off.

the prices for girls are higher....

it's 2-8-15. but the quality were mostly "models" and to say it again. an asian cutie with 36D :) heheheheeh I'm only used to those on white girls.

For some reason, the girls that my mom picks is never pretty to me. And the girls that my dad picks always makes me sick....... I guess to each his own..... :)

Hope this helps!

Moody
10-22-02, 10:35
Originally posted by asian_Pimp
Hey MOODY

Great post. I'm planning on going to ShenZhen in December. How does these karaoke places work? I meant I'll be going alone. Do you just do the girl in the karaoke room? or what's the deal?? Please explain in more details please. email me if you want. xoxo_boy@yahoo.com. thanks

DA Pimp

Hammer's got a pretty good handle on things. I'll start by describing what happens at karaoke at the hotels (pretty much 4-5 star), since those are the easiest to describe.

First of all karaoke is not as much fun if you're by yourself, actually, I might be wrong since I've never done it. Regardless, you basically order drinks. Since I'm usually with a bunch of others, we usually order either a half dozen bottles of wine or a couple bottles of whiskey. Drinks come with some appetizer kind of stuff since most Asians eat something while drinking.

Anyway, when you enter, they take your drink order and if you want a hostess for the evening, you ask for the mamasan. The mamasan will ask what type of girls you like and will eventually bring girls to your room in groups of about 10. The big karaokes typically have about 200-300 girls although I've been to ones with over 500. Believe me, you'll find someone you like. Tall ones, short ones, skinny ones, fat ones, although the tall skinny big breasted ones might be a little difficult.

After you make your choice, you basically hang out in the room making conversation, drinking, singing, and playing drinking games the girls kick your ass at. You can leave whenever you feel like it, although some of the places have a minimum on how much you have to spend. It's usually pretty low though. There was one place that even had a stripper that would dance for you in your karaoke room.

Anyway, once you decide you want to leave, you have the option of taking the girl with you. As far as I know, you don't do it in the karaoke room. You take the girl to your hotel room. Since you will most likely be staying at the hotel, it's pretty convenient. You're room's just an elevator ride away. This also makes thing much easier if you are really drunk too. Since the girl already works at the hotel, there are no hassles with security and such. I've only once not take a girl back with me and 300RMB seemed to be the going rate at the hotels if you just sit with the girl for a while and have her sing and feed you and beat you at drinking games. I've never short timed a girl so I'm not sure about that. After a night of heavy drinking and sex, I usually wake up around 11-12A. I usually have another go with the girl around then and then send her on her way. I typically give her 1000RMB. According to my hosts, who are a couple of horny bastards who do this all the friggin time even when I'm not there one time even calling me to tell me he was having a virgin one night, this is the going rate at the hotel karaoke.

Asian_Pimp
10-22-02, 20:50
When you sit and sing, is it 200 for the room for the entire night or 200rmb per hour? and how much would you tip the girls? sorry to be a nag, but i'm new at this. Thanks.

Asian_Pimp



Originally posted by moody
Hammer's got a pretty good handle on things. I'll start by describing what happens at karaoke at the hotels (pretty much 4-5 star), since those are the easiest to describe.

First of all karaoke is not as much fun if you're by yourself, actually, I might be wrong since I've never done it. Regardless, you basically order drinks. Since I'm usually with a bunch of others, we usually order either a half dozen bottles of wine or a couple bottles of whiskey. Drinks come with some appetizer kind of stuff since most Asians eat something while drinking.

Anyway, when you enter, they take your drink order and if you want a hostess for the evening, you ask for the mamasan. The mamasan will ask what type of girls you like and will eventually bring girls to your room in groups of about 10. The big karaokes typically have about 200-300 girls although I've been to ones with over 500. Believe me, you'll find someone you like. Tall ones, short ones, skinny ones, fat ones, although the tall skinny big breasted ones might be a little difficult.

After you make your choice, you basically hang out in the room making conversation, drinking, singing, and playing drinking games the girls kick your ass at. You can leave whenever you feel like it, although some of the places have a minimum on how much you have to spend. It's usually pretty low though. There was one place that even had a stripper that would dance for you in your karaoke room.

Anyway, once you decide you want to leave, you have the option of taking the girl with you. As far as I know, you don't do it in the karaoke room. You take the girl to your hotel room. Since you will most likely be staying at the hotel, it's pretty convenient. You're room's just an elevator ride away. This also makes thing much easier if you are really drunk too. Since the girl already works at the hotel, there are no hassles with security and such. I've only once not take a girl back with me and 300RMB seemed to be the going rate at the hotels if you just sit with the girl for a while and have her sing and feed you and beat you at drinking games. I've never short timed a girl so I'm not sure about that. After a night of heavy drinking and sex, I usually wake up around 11-12A. I usually have another go with the girl around then and then send her on her way. I typically give her 1000RMB. According to my hosts, who are a couple of horny bastards who do this all the friggin time even when I'm not there one time even calling me to tell me he was having a virgin one night, this is the going rate at the hotel karaoke.

Moody
10-22-02, 23:21
Originally posted by asian_Pimp
When you sit and sing, is it 200 for the room for the entire night or 200rmb per hour? and how much would you tip the girls? sorry to be a nag, but i'm new at this. Thanks.

Asian_Pimp

The room usually comes with a minimum. The minimum depends on the size of the room. A bottle of wine per person is usually enough to cover the minimum for the evening until they close. You tip the girl about 200-300RMB for sitting and entertaining you in the karaoke room. If you take her back to your room, depending on the karaoke, you tip her 800-1000RMB. It's one or the other, not both 200-300RMB and 800-1000RMB. If you want a virgin for the night, a university student will typically run 3000-5000RMB.

Asian_Pimp
10-23-02, 00:11
Thanks Moody. Great Info. Does this prices apply in Guongzhou?

asian_pimp


Originally posted by moody
The room usually comes with a minimum. The minimum depends on the size of the room. A bottle of wine per person is usually enough to cover the minimum for the evening until they close. You tip the girl about 200-300RMB for sitting and entertaining you in the karaoke room. If you take her back to your room, depending on the karaoke, you tip her 800-1000RMB. It's one or the other, not both 200-300RMB and 800-1000RMB. If you want a virgin for the night, a university student will typically run 3000-5000RMB.

SunWukong94
10-23-02, 03:13
Any people have any good contacts on pretty ladies in shen zhen?
i am chinese going there soon for business.
any good contacts?
send it to my email if any of u have or just post it here.
my email SunWukong94@hotmail.com

Soulman
10-23-02, 04:17
Hi Gents!

I see we have new "members" here lately...

Some of us are getting together in SZ next week. It'll be interesting to see some of you gents in person and party together!

Let me share some good and bad experiences with Karaoke places in China...

I always go with my HK/Taiwanese hosts. These guys pick up the tab since we do "conduct" some business. :) I always have fun and find some of my hosts getting out of hand with girls who weren't thrilled with their aggresive groping and demands to their clothes off. Like other poster, I'm an angel compared to my hosts. I think going rate is 600 to 1,000 RMB. I do recall in one place in Baoan where the girls was upset she was only paid 600 RMB. My host told me not to give her more money but I gave her 200 HKD for "better" service. So I think going rate is 800 RMB or so. I do have "regular" karaoke girlfriends who I contact thru my my hosts before we show up. Just making sure they are not taken. Even then this doesn't gurantee your favorite girl is double booked as this happened to me once. This is the girl I get together whenever I'm in SZ and I give her 200 USD as not only is shde beautiful but awesome in bed. And she doesn't work on nights I contact her and I understand she pays penalty to the "house" for this but all the moeny I give her is hers.

I did have couple of bad experiences. Once was in karaoke in Holiday Inn in Nanshan area. I went there with a cuti local girlfriend last year (broke up because I wouldn't marry her, oh well) so no need for girl lining up. We just went there to sing. The charge was 200 RMB minimum for the room and drinks/food were extra. Well, we decided to leave (I wanted to spend more time, well in bed) but they charged us 80 RMB for opening up the tissue box and eating few nuts. My girldfriend complained in Chinese but no big deal. Oh, I would take my girlfriend home near Holiday Inn around midnight and often see girls from karaoke walking alone home. If I only spoke decent Chinese then I'm sure I could have struck a deal with these cutis...

Back in 1998, I was in Beijing for the weekend. I stayed at Great Wall Sheraton and walked outside to find girl hustlers offering cheap sex and massage. Like a fool, I got into taxi with one of them and she led me to cheesy and cheap karaoke joint. 2 girls showed up followed by "brandy" for the lady (most likely tea) and beer for me and assortment of dry and fruit snacks. Now I didn't order them. I tried to leave but they demanded 2000 RMB out of me. I carried only about 76 USD total in USD and RMB and they took it away. When I refused to pay 2000 RMB then 2 tough guys came to the room. Well, I got ripped off but not that bad... I come back to my room and on top of my desk is yellow warning card about not going with ladies/gentlemen offering "interesting times". Hell, if I read this card first as it sounds like what happened to me is not unusal.

So only go to karaoke with Chinese hosts and place they know.

Moody
10-23-02, 12:33
Originally posted by asian_Pimp
Thanks Moody. Great Info. Does this prices apply in Guongzhou?

asian_pimp

These prices are pretty much for all the large cities in China. In Shenzhen, I usually get away with about 800RMB, in Shanghai, it's about 1000RMB. I've never paid more than 1000RMB and I've been to some super high class joints. I've been to some smaller cheesy joints with 10 girls where I've paid 600RMB. There are some places near Lowu in Shenzhen where the girls say they want something like 3000RMB, don't fall for it 'cause it's nonsense. Like Soulman, I also have a couple of regular girls I see when I'm in Shenzhen. Makes things a little easier. One of them also gets me other girls when I'm not in the mood for her. I'm also getting a little weary of disease. I got something last June and I'm not too enthusiastic about getting another one. To clear up most things (chlamydia and the clap are apparently widespead in Shenzhen), you need the following:

Azithromycin 1000mg taken as one dose
Ciprofloxacin 500mg taken as one dose
Both taken a day apart

You can get these at almost any pharmacy. The Azithromycin is a little pricey at around 50RMB for 6 250mg tabs. Make sure you're not allergic to these drugs before taking them.

EDIT: About ripoffs. I'm sure it happens. It's never happened to me because I never go alone and only with friends or hosts. I think though, for the most part, hotel Karaoke are pretty safe bets.

Rtpman
10-23-02, 13:12
Soulman - Hey talk to csun213 when you are in Shenzhen. He can perhaps shed some light on finding a mommy.

Don't take this the wrong way guys. Whatever floats your boat is fine but what do you find appealing about karoke places if you don't speak chinese? You are paying for company, room, drinks etc. I prefer to cut out all the middle-cost crap and just go to the mommy we know. I get the same quality of girls I've seen in the nice KTV places (in fact many are working on the side through these mommies) and only pay 400 rmb plus cab fare for the girl. Like I said its whatever floats your boat.

Moody
10-23-02, 13:34
Originally posted by rtpman
Soulman - Hey talk to csun213 when you are in Shenzhen. He can perhaps shed some light on finding a mommy.

Don't take this the wrong way guys. Whatever floats your boat is fine but what do you find appealing about karoke places if you don't speak chinese? You are paying for company, room, drinks etc. I prefer to cut out all the middle-cost crap and just go to the mommy we know. I get the same quality of girls I've seen in the nice KTV places (in fact many are working on the side through these mommies) and only pay 400 rmb plus cab fare for the girl. Like I said its whatever floats your boat.

You know, I've never even considered getting girls without going to Karaoke. I guess it's just the way the experience goes for me. I don't speak any Chinese, but I find Karaoke to be quite fun. You get to drink, sing, play drinking games... Basically make an ass of yourself and that's always a lot of fun. There's also always someone to translate if I want to say anything in particular. As for the cost thing, it's not really an issue since other people pay for it. To be perfectly honest, I've never paid (been to it over 100 times though) for Karaoke. I'm not some cheapskate either, on more than one occasion, I've literally tackled the waitress to get the check, but those guys who speak fluent Chinese always get it somehow. I've even tried going out of the room to pay the check, but somehow, my money always gets returned. It's obviously some kind of face thing with them and lately, I haven't really been arguing the matter anymore.

Soulman
10-24-02, 03:19
Rtpman,

I got in contact with Csun and exchanged China mobile numbers. Will you be in SZ next week too? You're right about feeling bit awakard at ktv joints when you can't chat your date for the evening but after few drinks it's amazing how one gets around have have jolly time. And if one has ready access to good mummy who speaks some English then it's lot cheaper to find dates.

Moody,

Thanks for the prescription for the antibiotics. Yeah, I also got chlymedia from my favorite ktv girl. We used to do it without rubber and I got the "social" disease from her last spring. It kind a pissed me off as it was obious that she was also doing it with other non Chinese without rubber. To me, chlymedia is US disease among young college kids. At least that's what I read on the net.

And some of you guys won't believe this but the US company I work for gives us "medical" kit when we travel including Cipro for stomach troubles. I wonder if the nurse also knows that 1 Cipro table cures gonorhea. Hehehe :)

Rtpman
10-24-02, 13:09
Soulman - Yes, I'll be in Shenzhen Sunday night and then we are off to Haikou, Hainan. Quite a few guys going along on this trip so it should be fun.

Take care and have fun.

Cavechu
10-25-02, 22:02
Originally posted by Soulman
it was obious that she was also doing it with other non Chinese without rubber.

Soulman

so you saying she use condom with her chinese/asian customer and not use condom with non-chinese?? TIA

balkis1
10-26-02, 05:28
i know at leat one ktv where you can find top looking girl and some of then speak decent english: king ktv near the pingling hotel (spelling unsure) just across the seibu old store.
for the price, i am not 100% sure because my chinese friend is a faithfull customer and gets good discount. we usually pay 1500 for the room, drink and fruit plates, 300 for the waitress and 300-400 for the ladies and for the mama. to take the lady out, depends on you and your bargaining skill.... but this is not cheap
this ktv is much better than the china city or big boss in hk in term or talent.
hope to see you guys in haiku. i am waiting for you already there with paitrck. speed up or we will take all the ladies........
balkis1

Jumbo88
10-28-02, 08:00
hey guys, got in Shenzhen last night for a 3 nite business trip, the scene surely has changed a bit since my last visit (10 months ago). Well, let's get to the report:

Sauna action:

My pal and I went to this New Dynasty Hotel in Aiguo Rd., 5th floor sauna center. It use to be a decent place with decent SZ downtown price (400 - 500 FS) and really cute girls. Anyway, we checked in VIP room at 198/2hrs. It includes shower, steam room and two tables, one for "real" massage and the other for ...

Took a nice shower, got a "free" (RMB30 tip only) foot reflexology massage. The so called manager came in and asked for my preference. Since I felt like an oil rubdown, I wanted a plumer girl with a pair of good size tits. The guy insisted that I can change as many as I want, untill I was satisfied. Pretty cool attitude! He brought a girl for me to choose, DA Qiang! (chinese for executed by a shot) too ugly! it was like a 4 and shit... I told the guy, "Hey! Bring some quality girls, please..." (I got worried) He came back with a 6, I turn it away. (can u imagine, i thought that the nite was ruined). After one more try, finally settled with a Dongbei (Northeast) girl -- 20 year old, 6 months experience, 165cm 34d a 7-1/2 rating (the half for attitude). I asked her sit down and we begun price negotiation. She asked for 800 for body to body oil rub (thai style), Fire and Ice (cold and hot cbj) and FS. Dude! outrageous offer! I countered 400, she said 600, I said "come on..." and we ended up at 500. The service was very professional and satisfying. It took her like a good hour and half of work (including real massasge after the the treat). My final rating: B- It could of been better...

I would recommend this kind of action to those who had just got in town after a long journey or a long day (like crossing over from HK to Luohu). It's quite a relaxing way to release some tension. It's definetely Not a GFE thing. Pricing: a bit high.

We are checking the real nite scene tonite fo some GFE acton. I will try to follow it up with a report.

Jumbo88
10-28-02, 08:12
Hey guys, any tips on where to score some GFE types in town? Just don't feel like getting a SW or order from a pimp tonite. They even got russian girls now. If you want number, I can post on request. Chinese speaking only.

Where do the expats hang around here in SZ? Monday nite for freelancers might just be a bit hard... any comment?

Ruf66
10-28-02, 08:55
Jumbo,

Russian Girls in Shenzhen - where? And how much?

Cheers
Ruf

DayNight
10-28-02, 09:45
I remember seing some Russky Pro's in Shekou. They sometimes hang around in this Russian Restaurant at the corner behind the Snake Pit. I'm not sure about the name, I think it was Restaurant Kazakhstan (in Cyrillic letters).

Some are REAL stunners. And I mean breathtaking! But I never checked prices. I presume they know what they are worth.

Jumbo88
10-28-02, 10:57
ruff66:

Just called the pimp to check out the price. It's 1500 - 1800 for "stunning" russians who work as dancers at Windows of the World (an amusement park here in SZ). The pimp said, if really interested, price is negotiable. I think that you can get it down to about 1000 - 1200 for full service of cbj and ...

if you speak chinese, you may call 13825262501. The locals' running price is about 400 for short term and 600 for the nite.

I just want to use this as my last resort. can't wait to hit the town later to find some interesting actions.

How about some info about where the expats hang out? Really feel like looking for some amateurs (freelancers) tonight.

DSB
10-30-02, 13:41
Jumbo88: How did your night out go? Find anywhere to go for some freelance action? Everyone says New York New York is the place to be, not sure about the freelance situation.

The phone number you posted below - does this guy have Russian girls as well as Chinese? Anyone called yet? I speak a little Chinese, almost enough to get into trouble, not enough to argue at great length with a pimp about why he should give me a 50% discount on A-grade Russians.

Anyone here tonight or over the next few days?

Jumbo88
10-30-02, 15:45
dsb¡G

Just got back to Shanghai. The Shenzhen scene is just getting worst. I would only recomend plain sex without much interaction. The girls are just too PRO.

I pretty much went around every night spot in Luohu area. The music there just SUCKS!!! All you hear is some HK "Head Shaking" music. Finally took a decent girl back at 1:30 last night. Good full service till 7:30 am (2 shots including bbbj) for 800RMB. I picked her up at "Yie Mao" (Night Cat) right next to Tian Shang Ren Jian (where all the neon light glitters). Pleasant but nothing to brag about.

As for the pimp, go ahead and give them a call. They do provide chinese girls as well. The price will range from RMB300 for 1Q to like 800 for the nite. Depend on the quality of girls.

Good luck!

DSB
10-30-02, 17:20
Jumbo88: Just checked out the New Dynasty Hotel (V‰¤’©Žð“X) 5th floor sauna - not what i would call 5-star, but not bad either. Actually, it was quite a funny experience for a few reasons.
I really like well endowed chinese girls, call it a fetish. So i went through about 8 girls before i settled on mine. I picked well - 36C/D for sure. A little bit plump, but acceptable for the amazing breasts that came with the rest of the package.
After about 15 minutes of lame massage, i posed the question of extra's. Should have seen the look - she went bright red and went outside, followed by roars of laughter. Uh oh, what have i done i thought. In the end it was all ok, she came in, blanked all the windows with sheets and stripped off, the the negotiations began.

She started at 800 - she claimed i was big and would go for a long time. I told her i would hurry and only poke it in half way for 400 (old joke). She claimed to be as good as a girlfriend (GFE), i told her my last girlfriend did anal! This went on for a while, until we settled on 600. bbbj was really good - she did this rotational thing with her head as she went up and down... never before have i seen it. Major PRO. Sex was uninspiring, even with the porn star exhibition and performance that was put on.

Finished with a quite good massage. Nothing special overall.

Asian_Pimp
10-30-02, 21:13
Hi guys, I'm a newbie here and I will be in Shenzhen in december of this year. I was wondering if any of you experts here know where I can get some action. Things like girls staying over night (not too expensive 800rmb) and KTV places where I can take the girls out to have some fun and stuff. Any infomation would help. By the way.. I speak fluent chinese. email me if you like: xoxo_boy@yahoo.com. thanks

Moody
10-30-02, 23:20
Originally posted by asian_Pimp
Hi guys, I'm a newbie here and I will be in Shenzhen in december of this year. I was wondering if any of you experts here know where I can get some action. Things like girls staying over night (not too expensive 800rmb) and KTV places where I can take the girls out to have some fun and stuff. Any infomation would help. By the way.. I speak fluent chinese. email me if you like: xoxo_boy@yahoo.com. thanks

Dude, if you speak fluent Chinese, you should have no problem at all. A lot of what you want depends on where you're staying. SEZ is a large place. For instance, I know a couple places in Daimesha, but I don't know of any in Baoan. I know some places in Dongguan which if you're staying near Baoan is not very far. If you could be a little more specific as to where you're staying, I think you'll be able to get better help.

Soulman
10-31-02, 01:04
Rtpman and Csun,

Hope you gents had wonderful time in Hainan. It was cool to talk to you gents on the phone in SZ. I called you Tues morning as I was leaving SZ but no one picked up the phone. I guess you gents were having morning fun. :)

Sorry I couldn't join you guys Sun night but it was busy night for me with back to back session with local girlfriend (who claimed to be a virgin - don't think so) from penpal service and then "street" friend from Shekou I get together when I'm in town. My street friend kept on yelling out "oh yeah" during the another killer night and morning sessions and newly acquired BJ skills (she really enjoys it now and won't stop!). It sounds like she learned it from other white customer. :) She was insulted and refused 400 HKD last time we're together. So I gave her 200 RMB "taxi" money but she asked me to give her another 600 RMB so she can pay rent. I had on USD left so gave her $40. I do like huge variety of available girls in China but I'm beginning to enjoy seeing same girl who is really good in bed and knows how to please her man.

Keep in touch!

javahound100
10-31-02, 07:40
Hi Gents,

I will be in SZ on Dec 13 for one night, and then on to Guangzhou for two more nights. Any suggestions on where to go for a great massage with FS, BJ's a must and some "back-door" action. Also, where do i go to get frelancers who will go LT and are at least 7.5-10 and have good attitudes?

Also, if anyone will be around on the 13th i'll be in town early in the morning and if you want to hookup to find some cuties send me an e-mail.

BTW, i'll be in Thailand after that if anyone plans to be there in mid to late december let me know.

javahound100@yahoo.com

Dick Johnson
11-01-02, 04:24
I agree with Jumbo88. SZ scene is getting worse in the short span of a year. Why? Too many people(guys) with too much info. GFE is still possible but not like before becuz it's always about $$ cuz there's a bunch of other guys standing in line who want to fuck your girl too. To have a chick for the whole day the price has gone up considerably.

Also the music sucks. All that HK 'shake head' music blasting, not much good new house/techno music like in Singapore or Malaysia or even Shanghai on a good day. Them DJs need to buy some new CDs.

The place looks like a police state with all that uniformed police guards EVERYWHERE. Inside Macdonalds, Inside dance clubs etc. Actually they are mostly security guards and that makes the place safer, to a certain extent.

Jumbo88
11-01-02, 07:03
Thanks Dick Johnson!

Some more safety issues to you all shenzhen travelers:

I have asked the girls who spent the night with me about the shenzhen scene. What's going on?! She was a 2 year old veteran in Shenzhen.

She told me that there are people getting killed inside the disco/pubs. Many gangsters have guns now a days. After they shake their heads or drink too much, they get delirious and fire their pistols. Too many low grade gangsters from HK go to Shanezhen to party on weekends. It would be nice to find an Expat pub or night club. which there seems to be none inside the Luohu area.


As usual these kind of issues were never posted on any Chinese medias.

So hunters, beware and use your common sense when partying in Shenzhen.

Dick Johnson
11-03-02, 10:40
Yeah, Jumbo. Exactly.
Some of those dudes have been done a few hundred of those shake head pills over their lifetime.
It's like..
"did you squeez my girl's tits?"
"diu ne lo mo"
"hum ga chan.."
and fights break out.
I was at a club and they had go go dancers on each of two platforms. After their routine the cops/guards go stand on the go go dancers platforms with the lasers beams blasting from behind them. I thought it was hysterical.
Actually it was practical.
But those discos are so packed(and loud) and they are NOT a meat market like for instance Nana Disco in Thailand. Most of the girls are with HK/China guys already.

Rtpman
11-04-02, 04:51
Soulman - We are here in Hainan. Sorry we didn't connect. When you called earlier we were with a mommy trying to select some girls. After that we kept playing phone tag, but ended up leaving before you ever got back to us.

Anyway hope you enjoyed your time in SHZ. The weather isn't too bad here in Hainan right now. We saw Lilli but have had enough action on our own via csun's connections.


Hainan is really going down hill. Lots of crackdowns and many of the girls have gone home. Even some of the bigger KTV places have closed down durning the crackdown. However we will be gone by then.

take care

rtpman

Jazman
11-05-02, 00:27
currently i am planning a trip nov 18 to sz and will be flying to hangzhou

anybody have a good suggestions of a nice hotel with lots of action in that area.

anyone know any good hotels around in sz near the sz airport

Powertoolz
11-05-02, 19:33
regarding the barber shops: how does it work? what should i say when i go in there? Should i be prepared to get a haircut when i go there? i can speak mandarin.
thanks

Loafer
11-06-02, 03:14
powertoolz:

no need for a haircut. i actually doubt that you can get a haircut at all in some of those "barber"shops. also no need to ask for special services in the small and tacky shops. you will be offered a "massage" immediately. the girls know why you came. if you speak mandarine you should have no problem at all. it is probably a good idea to agree on the price before you get out of your pants. the full programme is available for as little as RMB 300, but it may vary a bit from here to there.

Tangent
11-06-02, 03:36
To Powertoolz Regarding barbershops

Just about all barbershops in SZ offer many services other than just a haircut. Ladies go there for facials etc. So you can walk right in and ask for a massage without needing to get a haircut as a precursor.

Barbershops in SZ run the gamut from not allowing anything beyond a pure massage, to those places expecting the man to want special services.

If you are looking for a place where they expect the man to want special services, there are certain things to look for (at the risk of being redundant from previous posters):
--obviously, barbershops with aggressive ladies in front waving you in will most likely offer special services.
--barbershops on main streets with uniformed staff probably will not.
--Barbershops where some of the gals wear skirts, will.
--barbershops without a male employee will offer special services (because 99% of the actual hairstylists in SZ are men. Women rarely cut hair. So a barbershop without a man really isn’t in the barbering business).
--likewise, smaller places with a half-assed hairstyling equipment also will offer special services.
--If you walk in a barbershop and they ask you to choose a gal (rather than assigning a gal to you), then it is a place where u can get extra.

I prefer barbershops in the middle of the spectrum—that is, a barbershop where, whether or not to provide other services is more at the discretion of the massage gal. The women at those places seem less jaded. But it is a hit or miss affair. In those places, I usually chat up the gal while she massages my head to get her friendly, then when she comes around to massage my arms I start to put my hand around her waist and start to move it on up. If she is receptive, then I proceed from there.

After the first hour, you can usually have massages in increments of half an hour. At saunas the standard is a two-hour massage (where an hour is actually only 45 minutes). So, at a barbershop, the lady will usually ask u how long a massage you want.

Hope this explains some things. Others may have different insights.

BTW, the most recent expat hangout is probably the bar called City Cowboy. About 100 meters north of the Wal-Mart on Fenghua Lu in Luohu district. Second floor.

Powertoolz
11-06-02, 18:09
thanks tangent and loafer for the info. im hoping a friend can hook me up with a job in sz and will be going there within the next few months. I'll try out ur adivce while im there.
On a different note...i presume most of the expats in sz work for foreign companies...if anyone knows of any job opportunities for an recent info tech graduate please let me know...will work for haircuts!

Erik
11-06-02, 19:47
Tangeant is quite right on his analysis. Personally, I choose only the "barbershops" which are obviously sex oriented, as I go ONLY to f... , and for nothing else. They are generally in smaller streets, as the rent on large avenues is more expensive, and of course for discretion. So they might not be easy to find, and that is where you need help of a taxi driver the first time. In some town, they are red lit, but I am not sure if this is the case in Shenzhen. Maybe in some remote surburb.
If I see a girl that I like, through the window, my tactic is to walk closer. Very often, they will call me in. Otherwise, I enter, and ask if I can get a massage. If the answer "yes" half laughing (because they are not use to have foreign custmoers), that is a good sign. How much ? If they answer with a large smile 150 Y or 200 Y, that is obviuoulsy a price inclusive of sex. If they quote 30 Y or 50 Y, that is just the fee paid to the barbershop, and the money to the girl is between you and her. Then, I pick up the girl I like and I ask her to show me the massage room.
If she shows you a bed behind a curtain or a light bulkhead, that is not a good sign. If she takes you upstairs through a discreet stairs or says that they have rooms in an appartment nearby, that is the right place. In that way, I can be alone with her in the backroom to negociate and ask if she is ready to provide exactly the service I want. Chinese girls are shy on sex, they are not like the Viet or the Thai, and there is no way that you ask in front of the other girls if you can have a BBBJ or not. The answer would always be NO. But if you ask to her personally, she might be OK. If her answer is satisfactory, I generally take her to my hotel. A ST time in your hotel is always longer than a ST in the backroom. Safer and much more confortable. If the answer is not satisfactory, I just walk out.

Jazman
11-07-02, 19:25
rtpman

Perhpas you can help me

i will be staying in the hangzhou area mid November.
Currently booked at the holiday Inn

do you know how the action is in this Hotel

Perhpas you can recommend a better Hotel. Ilkie them young and tight.
Generally I only like picking up the girls in the Hotel.

In your experience do u recommend going to the massage or sauna in th eHotel

What about the massage or sauna at the Sunshine

Soulman
11-10-02, 04:27
Hi Rtpman and Csun!

Nice to talk to Rtpman yesterday. Sorry I missed you again. Hopefully we'll connect next time...

Shanghai sure was expensive... I went to very upscale ktv in Equitarial hotel last night and the girls would not leave with us! It was not the money but too high class. I did meet this incredible sweet and innocent girl who looked like a shy model. My Taiwaneese hosts did translation for me and as it turned out she was from Anhui province visiting her friend in SH but she works in ktv in SZ. I offered to buy her airline ticket if we flew down together and after serious consideration, she said yes but change her mind last minute. :( Oh she was so so classy yet not tainted like most pros at ktv. She dressed and looked like a model. Rare in ktvs except I suppose in upscale kind.

So we went to another lesser class ktv at 1 AM and I found a cuti. Brought her back and she went thru in hurried manner and she charged 1200 RMB! But she was good. Well, we exchanged numbers and I had hotel staff call her for me and she showed up at my penthouse room the next day (got upgraded to aweome suite on top of hotel). This time she stayed about 2 hrs vs only 45 mins night before. Boy was she good... Well, so I forked out another 1200 plus 100 RMB for taxi. It was expensive but I guess it's expensive in SH. My hosts say it's much cheaper in Kunsan and Suzhou...

Catch you getns next time!

Rtpman
11-12-02, 14:05
Soulman - It seems we were always in the wrong place at the wrong time to meet up with you. But then again we had like 7 guys and it takes awhile to parade all the girls from the mommies and for that many people to make selections.

On my last night there csun213, another guy from the states and I went to a KTV not far down the road from the Jing Peng. It is one right next to a KFC. I was dissapointed in the place. Csun213 knew that the Taiwanese and HK guys go to the 6th floor but our hostess took us to a small room off the main stage. Almost like it seemed they wanted the foreigners away from the Chinese (maybe just my perception). Anyway the other foreigner was a tall guy. I couldn't believe that they told him he wasn't welcome because of his size. It pissed us off so we all left.

My other experience with KTV was in Haikou, Hainan. We went to the hotel KTV place. Had fun singing and playing with the girls. I took a girl out as did a few others in our group. Mine I caught trying to go through my pockets while I was comming back from the bathroom Luckly my pockets have a tight button and she couldn't get it undone. I didn't make a scene, just let her know I had caught her. She lost face, got dressed in a hurry and left. She was ok in bed but too pro. So I guess my KTV experiences haven't been that great.

Rtpman
11-12-02, 19:59
Jazman - I'm not familar with Hangzou. I only know Shenzhen and Haikou, Hainan.

You mentioned the Sunshine. If you are talking about the Sunshine in Shenzhen, there are freelancers that are outside and down the street towards McDonalds. Girls are allowed in the rooms provided you get them there before 11pm.

Soulman
11-14-02, 07:21
Hi Gents,

Well, I had whirlwind trips thru Dongguan...

First stop was very well furnished, huge and palace like ktv inside Jia Hua Grand Hotel in Houjie. This gotta be the nicest ktvs I've been to date. Being classy joint meant that classy girls. I learned my lesson so said "passed" to 3 groups of girls. I waned a 10... So I went out to the entrance area where the girls go out to get picked then come back if not picked. Stood there like a kid in candy store for 15 mins. Parades of girls passed by. One girls on the way out caught my attention. She was 10+. Only 18 and looked like a pop star. She had perfect body, dressed like a pop star, dyed hair and this "attitude". She used to be a go go dancer so she showed off her dancing. Oh yeah. Brought her to my room and she was very skinny and very tight hole. She wasn't good in bed; no french kissing or bj. But what she like was to be on top... She did leave after long session and wondered why I wouldn't cum. :)

Second stop the next day was sauna in Holiday Hotel in Houjie. After nice late lunch my host suggested sauna (and sex). I thought most places you get hand job but he assured full sex. Went to rather dirty hotel room and I got to choose first. So I picked this cuti with big tits for skinny body. Well, she wasn't much of massuse... In fact she was pretty bad at it. We had 2 hours so proceeded for sex. She got me hard then put a rubber on me to give my bj! Oh, I objected but couldn't communicate. Short bj was followed by sex. She looked like a pop star too (my type - young, skinny, long hair, nice body). She had incredible boob for asian girl who was so thin. Anyway, sex was mechanical at best.

Third stop was 3rd class ktv in other side of Dongguan in Tangxia. Gritty and not so clean. Girls, well, were of definite 3rd class. But my host suggested that I pick 2 girls. He picked this older girl (late 20's or even early 30's) who spoke Engligh (very little) and I picked this cuti who I swear looke a lot like my ex girlfriend from 2001. My lucky day! I was tired of singing and drinking as it had been 4 straight night of drinking. I had to pick who I fuck and older girl was all over me caressing my dick and putting my hand in her wet hole. So I chose her. I was tired and didn't think I can perform... Afterall I just got laid the night before, late afternoon and now? But this older girl really really knew how to please her man. She was one sex starved *****. I mean I think she should be on porno flick. I regained my strength and pumped her good with she riding me most of time and literally going crazy. No she wasn't acting as this went on for good 2 hours. And she really enjoyed giving bj. She stayed over and another good morning session. Wow! With morning light, I realized she was at least mid 30's. But it was good treat to fuck a girl from "north" vs mostly girls from Huna/Hubie/Sichuan. I tipped her generously and as usual with most girls I meet, exchaged mobile numbers.

Now, I was feeling bit oversexed and I was on very rare streak... I got a call from one of my other ktv girlfriend at 3 AM when I was with older girl. She said "I sad, wanna see you. i cry now"... Well I felt bad as I hadn't seen her since summer as I always saw her whenever I was in SZ. But I couldn't see her since I was in Dongguan. I felt bad. So arranged a car to pick her up and brought her to my hotel.

We went back to ktv inside Jia Hua Grand Hotel in Houjie. Gents, it sure sucks to wlak into ktv with a girlfriend when you see the cutis parading around. My friend was shy but loosed up after few drinks. I stepped outside to make a call and who do I see? The "star" I fucked 2 nights ago! We exchanged greeting and funny thing was that she was at the room next door. I left "early" to spend time with my friend and got lost on the way out. Who do I see again on hallway? My "star"! She totally ignored me and seemed bit upset. Now this is fate... She did write a nice poetic note to me when we're together saying how she needs a "sponsor" to help her become a "star" and I offered some guanxi (connection) I have in tv station. I was disappointed with my girlfriend as she was too tired and wouldn't give me bj. :( But we had nice sessions without rubber. Oh, she did give me chlymedia last April but ran out.

And something I noticed on this misadventures were that Chinese girls love it when you eat their pussy though some will object you doing this. It's bit of struggle with them but they just love it! And it was "interesting" to taste 4 different pussies over 3 days.

I'll be here to spend the weekend and reat of next week. Out of money though... What a bummer!

DayNight
11-20-02, 06:11
Soulman
I go very often to Tangxia. Does the 30+ sex maniac speaks any English? Mind giving me the number? Say yes and I leave my email here.

The best place I found in Tangxia is the massge place behind the 'Jin Dao Hotel', a bit outside Tangxia towards FungGang. Clean full service place, #10 give hot water BJs!

Soulman
11-21-02, 04:00
Daynight,

Here is the info you requested!

Her name is Susan and works in ktv in Tangxia section of DG and closer to Lowu. She is from Tianjin. She is early to mid 30's with large breast. But she really acts like a sex straved ****. She was playing with her tits and licking nipple while she was riding me. She would also grab her tits which are pretty big for Chinese girl and suck on her finger too. I mean she really surprised me in bed. Incredible experience... Sorry but I'd like to show some respect to her by not splattering her number everywhere.

Good Luck!

DayNight
11-21-02, 08:36
Soulman
I sent you an email. Lemme know if you replie. My account is sort of intermittend.

TangZhen
11-27-02, 07:36
A little info on the recent efforts to clean things up around here. I was walking to a local VCD store, while passing a barbershop, police started unloading from a couple of vans. Shopkeepers and customers all came out to see who was the target. I caught the sight of a very dapper guy in front of the barbershop and figured out the focus of the event. A large group of girls all wearing the matching sportswear exit and start to wander off. Cops call them back, and they sheepishly return (I thought a few could have made it away but best not to question authority much here.) From there only the details were left of the drama, whole thing took about 4 seconds to play out.

I have been wondering if the well dressed guy was a pimp or a plant by the cops as the police were searching around until they saw him, and they went right too him.

emric89
11-27-02, 11:48
Hi
I'm french and I don't know the US condom Trojan, those who are sell (by three in a box) in the street shop...Are they good?
Thank you

Soulman
11-28-02, 01:25
Don't trust Chinese counterfeits!

I buy imported Taiwanese brand called Fullex in blue box (002 Super Zero - 0) with picture of white guy and girl in beach scene. My ex girlfriend hook me up with this brand. It costs 45 RMB and last box I got came with cork screw/knife as free gift. Local brands cost 15 RMB. All prices are in dozen.

I had 1 misfortune of Chinese rubber break on me and another misfortune very cheap rubber - no not a rubber but felt like saran wrap - which slipped out. My dates provided them. By the way, many girsl don't carry rubbers as that's how cops nail girls. If you're not pro then why carry few rubbers in your purse? Also most hotel (4 stars) have 3 pack rubbers at front desk or hotel store. Finally many girls only carry 2 rubber with them for "2 shots". So if you wanna have more fun and you got no rubber then you're out of luck. :)

DayNight
11-28-02, 10:38
...there is also Durex. Keep in mind not to use oil based lubricants with latex condoms.

DayNight
11-28-02, 10:44
Soulman
I went to back to Tangxia and tried to call S but could not get connected. My #10 was also gone. Tried a new one, was quite OK, won't try again. Room for 2 hours RMB158, Lady, incl. FS and rubbered BJ RMB400

This was the asking price, so it was probably too expensive.

Still, that Sauna place rocks! Will try to call S again next time.

Or next time I will try to get to the gals room to choose my own favourite (if they let me). So far they have all been quite playfull.

Soulman
11-28-02, 19:04
DN,

Sorry you couldn't get in touch with S...

I think 2 hr sauna (fs) for 400 RMB is reasonable. I think it's a "crap shoot" when it comes to picking girls. My host told me that some girls don't want to do fs with white guys because tool is too "big". I think it a lousy excuse but they are still paranoid about foreigners. So often they bring out more desperate not so attractive girls out to pick or send one to your room.

Now what the hell is the deal with bj with rubber? On my last sauna experience, my date also put a rubber on me but would take a sip of ice cold water followed by warm tea then would bob her head few times which felt pretty good; hot then cold bj. I had a girlfriend in Singapore about 10 years ago and she would take a sip of ice cold water with ice and give me bj. Wow, that felt cool! :) I think that the Chinese girls are the best in bed. Japanese and Korean girls are prettier but charge 5X more and stuck up. Thai girls are cheap and cheesy and I felt dirty after session with them and not to mention too many Europeans tainting these girls with new disease.

SeattleGman
11-30-02, 19:50
Can anyone comment on the action in front of the Panglin Hotel? I'll be there this week and wanted to know if it is still lively as it was before. Last time I was there, the police was clearing the area every couple hours. Still didn't prevent the workers from seeking customers...

Apuonbus
12-05-02, 05:13
I just got to Shenzhen (Nan Shan) can anyone tell me if there is anywhere around this area to check out, or be kind enough to show me where to go? - i don't speak chinese... I'll be working here for the next 2 months

TangZhen
12-08-02, 18:00
Apuonbus

What type of thing are you looking for? Likely for someone new to China it might be wise to stick with something pretty simple such as a sauna. Another easy answer is a disco, go alone and you will very likely have offers in short order. If you check out the previous posts, it should give a pretty clear idea of what type of services are typically available and what they cost.

DayNight
12-09-02, 15:45
A pretty safe bet is usually to check out the sauna/massage place in your hotel. Usually no risk.

Jazman
12-10-02, 01:33
daynight

in sz what hotel do you recommend

what can i expect in the sauna.

will the girl come to my room?

DayNight
12-10-02, 11:30
jazman

in sz what hotel do you recommend
I very seldom stay in SZ, I'm not sure what hotel to take. I guess most have a sauna. Last time I stayed here:
http://www.sinohotel.com/shenzhen/Oriental/
I did not test the Saune, but after 11:00pm there where 20+ gals near the entrance waiting to be picked.

what can i expect in the sauna
A bad massage and Sex.

will the girl come to my room?
Possible. Check where you can get a massage and ask. In some hotels you get phone calls asking for 'massagee'. Better make use of the hotel safe for your valuable.

TangZhen
12-11-02, 14:26
jazman

You might try the new centruy hotel downtown, I dont know what the rooms are like, but last time I was in that area I was approached several times. I am pretty sure it has its own sauna and there are 'special' barbershops in the area, though there are a lot of regular barbershops in the area also. It has a pretty good buffet on the first floor/basement so hopefully it is not too bad.

Rtpman
12-11-02, 15:43
The Century Plaza is fine if you want a nice hotel as is the Sunshine. Both allow guests and both have safes. I've stayed at both in the past and the rooms and staff are nice. I don't remember if the Sunshine has a sauna, but then again there are so many girls that hang outside the Sunshine you don't really need one.

I've also stayed at the Jing Peng. It isn't close to the action but very guest friendly and there is nice saunas all around the area.

Loafer
12-14-02, 12:44
i tried the sauna in the Sunshine about two years ago. no special services at that time, not even a hj.

indeed there are a lot of girls waiting outside the Sunshine, some of them quite good looking. but their service is only so so, quite rushed. even if you agree an overnighter, many of them try to leave early, which might get you into a nasty discussion about the service charge. i recommend these girls only for short-time fun.

TangZhen
12-16-02, 06:26
Correction

rptman is correct it is the Centruy Plaza not new century. The latter is nice but no services local to the area. Was recently in the Centruy Plaza area and was approached by mamasan who not only offered late night entertainment, but also train tickets, air line tickets, and discount hotel rooms. New meaning to the term full service.

SeattleGman
12-25-02, 11:08
I had a great time in Shenzhen last week. I stayed at the Peng Nian Hotel (great place to stay). Lots of girls working outside and some in the bar in the lobby. No problem getting girls inside the hotel. As a matter of fact, the waitress introduced us to the working girls in the bar. Prices for girls outside were on the average 300-400 RMB. Not sure what the girls were charging inside. Got good service from every one I picked up. Be careful with your valuables. I made sure I put my wallet and any other valuables in the safe. Caught one girl going through my pockets. I had stashed all my stuff anyways so I didn't make a scene and acted like I didn't see her. Lots of pimps out front, but I never patronize them.

TangZhen
12-30-02, 08:22
SeattleGman

I saw your post in the Shanghai section about a talent that told you she was going back to SZ. Any chance you could share it? Does she speak english? I can get by in Chinese but writing it and more complex stuff is not easy?

you can email me at

tangzhen@lycos.com

Cheers

SeattleGman
12-30-02, 12:18
TangZhen

I girl I met said she would be going back to Shenzhen in a couple months. She indicated that she wanted out of the KTV business. I have her email address, but she asked that I do not share it. Sorry, but I want to respect her wishes (especially if I am to hook up with her later). Otherwise I would be glad to share.

jadegatelover
12-30-02, 13:53
There's a good chance I'll be in the pearl river delta area for two weeks sometime in late Feb or early March. I've taken the time to read most of the posts for Shenzen and Guangzhou and have learned quite a bit. I speak decent Cantonese and can get by with Mandarin, but I'll be by myself so KTVs are not my first choice. Also I don't have the discretionary incomes that some of you have, so I can try to pass myself off as local in hopes of getting a cheaper price. On the other hand, I clean up nicely and can look like a "foreigner". Which strategy should I adopt? I am located in California, and unfortunately the dot com crash landed on me. I have savings but cannot afford to stay at a 4 - 5 star hotel and pay Rmb 1,000 every night.

While I have a desire to be with tall, light-skinned, skinny women, my priorities are quality, variety, quantity, and affordability. I have to factor in the cost of hotel as well...or maybe not. I'm particularly interested in those stables headed by a mamasan near lowu. If I read the posts correctly, I stand a chance of finding stunners. Would some of you more experienced gents care to pass along some contacts for dependable and trustworthy mamasans?

I have been adviced that places in the north like Shanghai and Dalian have more of the types of girls I'm looking for, but given my limited schedule and funds I'll be limited to the SZ and GZ area which if I've read correctly attract many girls from those areas.

I am also considering Changsha, Guangzhou, Dongguan as well as Tai seng (Toi Seng in Cantonese) as they are all within a comfortable travelling distance.

Oh yes, it'll be my first time to pay to play and the next girl will be my third. That tells you how "green" I am. I am sharing that to give those of you who decide to help where I'm coming from.

Some questions:

What range of prices can I expect to pay for a short time/long time? What range of prices have you other hua keuw/hua qiao (Chinese-American/Canadian...etc) paid recently?

Given my "transient" style, what are the best options for me to be with the service providers? If I don't get a hotel room, will I be missing out?

Anyone willing to share emails or other contact info of mama-sans, special girls for me to ease into the experience? I totally understand if you don't want me to be with your girl, but maybe she has a friend.

Penpals: what sites have you found these penpals on?

You can contact me at: jadegate22@yahoo.com

thanks

Jazman
12-31-02, 01:19
SeattleGman

thanks for the info on regarding the Peng Nian Hotel .
does this hotel have a website

where are they located
is the hotel a4-5 star hotel

Soulman
12-31-02, 03:20
Jadegatelover,

Here are some inputs/advice... IMHO (in my humble opinion)

The girls don't really care who you are except for few xenophobic types who don't want to be near foreigners. All they want is RMB/HKD/USD. Get it? Cold cash. And if you're Overseas Chinese then it doesn't matter a bit whethere you look "foreign" since Guandong province is "owned" by so many Hong Kong and Taiwanese men. In fact, girls will charge you Hong Kong rate. So acting like Hongkie will cost you more.

You won't find too many (if at all) stunning tall, light-skinned, skinny girls you desire in "cheap" establishments. I found that the berst place is high end ktvs. Yes, there are some very exclusive and some low class ktvs. I went to very exclusive ktv in Shanghai and my jaws dropped. Even, sauna have high and low end. I wen to very high end sauna in SZ and girls were knockers. I also been to low class one too. So you get what you pay. The price varies based on time of the day, quality of girl, etc. If you go soely for cheap price then you'll be disppointed with service. Working girls hate cheapskates!

Most expensive places in China are Beijing and Shanghai. And again stunnning girls will charge you lot more. One famous girl I met at exclusive ktv in Dongguan charges 4000 RMB; that's USD 500. I heard that she is out of this world in bed and provides "heavenly" service that includes ass licking. Yuk!

Hotel rates vary.

One option is to make girlfriend but this takes time and patience. Besides, girls wanto to be around "rich" men, no matter what age. So if you're short of cold cash then you're not going to have easy time getting laid. Also, many local girls expect nice gifts all the time from their boyfriends. I use variety of internet based penpal services with mixed luck.

In summary, no money, no pussy. This is universal.

SeattleGman
12-31-02, 03:40
jazman

The URL to the Peng Nian Hotel (also goes by Panglin Hotel) is www.panglin-hotel.com. I was able to book it through my USA travel agent. The address is 2002 Jiabin Road, Lowu District, Shenzhen. The phone is (86-755)518 5888 or toll free 800-830-8681.

The hotel is rated 5-Star, and I can vouch for the quality and service. Expect to pay 1000-1100RMB per night, unless you have someone with local connections. Well worth it.

LoveAsia
12-31-02, 04:21
SeattleGman,

Did you ever stay at the Sunshine Hotel across the street. If so, did you like the Panglin more? I have only stayed at the Sunshine but am considering Panglin.

SeattleGman
12-31-02, 04:35
LoveAsia

Sorry, I have no experience with the Sunshine Hotel. Let me know how they compare if you decide to stay at the Panglin.

TangZhen
01-02-03, 12:00
SeattleGman

I understand on the e-mail thing. Good talent doesnt stay in the business long. Best of luck on the pen pal exchange!

Cheers

Jazman
01-03-03, 21:59
SeattleGman

THANKS FOR THE INFO REGARDING THE Panglin Hotel

HOW WERE THE GIRLS AT THE BAR INSIDE THE HOTEL.
BY THE WAY DO YOU KNOW OF ANY SERVICES THAT CATER TO ENGLISH SPEAKING GIRLS

HOW WERE THE GIRLS

WHAT ABOUT THE HOTEL SAUNA. ANY EXTRA SERVICES

DID YOU EVER STAQY AT THE LANDMARK?

SeattleGman
01-04-03, 05:50
jazman

The girls in the lobby bar spoke reasonable english. They got mad at us because we wouldn't pick them up. I was with some business associates and we had good time teasing them (in a fun way). They finally got mad at us and wouldn't talk to us anymore. This was the one night I was just planning on getting drunk and not laid so that was okay with me. I probably couldn't get it up anymore anyways! I don't know what the asking price would have been. Better quality than what was outside. I would rate them about a 6 on the Shenzhen scale. My guess final price would have been between 500-1000 RMB for a short time. Not that many people appeared to be interested in taking them up to their room. I saw them sit with potential customers, but none of them left with one.

Don't worry about the language part. They all know what you want and they all understand $. It gets a little complicated if you want them to spend the night, but I would not advise that in Shenzhen. My experience has been that they always want to leave after the first or second round anyway.

My opinion is that the service quality is generally good in Shenzhen. Just stay away from the pimps no matter what they promise you...and never go with them. I have no experience with the barber shops or any of the saunas in Shenzhen.

As far as I can tell, the hotel sauna and massage is legit. I tried fooling around with the massage lady and she would just giggle and move my hands away. Can't blame me for trying, eh? It is a good massage for relatively cheap. I think it was something like 120 RMB for 45 minutes.

Best wishes. I wish I was there!

ManonsanBoy
01-06-03, 00:46
I need a phone number of a mamasan who send girls to Fung gang & Guanlan. I often play golf at 999 and stay overnight. Anyone help.

Loafer
01-06-03, 04:34
jazman:

the situation in the Landmark Hotel is similar to the one described in Panglin. a few girls sit in the groundfloor coffee shop. expect hardcore pros who have been on the game for quite some time. some of them speak some english, but don't expect too much. asking price is 1000 for short time. at least that applies to white foreigners like me. with some negotiation i could get the price down to 800, but they are quite stubborn, even though business seems to be slow. i gather that ethnic chinese pay less. service is ok, but nothing sensational.

ABCinLA
01-07-03, 06:27
i must be lucky or someone have gone with pimps up to their apartmetns probably 10 to 15 plus times over the years to pick a girl and never had any real problems. i always take the girls back with me to the hotel and pay about 300 to 400 rmb for a shortime or 800 for an alnighter. i like the pimps because their girls are generally really really new to the big city and i know their sex skills aren't really good. but thats okay as they are fresh. if someone wants fantastic service nothing beats a young trained chinese girl from singapore or malaysia. the guys who have been around know what i'm talking about.

Franco
01-20-03, 09:06
I am a hose fetish lover (especially garter belts, fully fashioned stockings with high platform heels, & nyloned footjobs).

Any tips where I could get this in Shenzhen.

PS: I already posted the same message in October, but no brother replied......

Soulman
01-21-03, 06:48
Gents,

I have a friend going to China next week. Are there much action right before CNY or do most working girls go home for CNY?

Soulman
01-21-03, 06:58
gents,

check out this interesting article about prostitution from washington times. gives you ideas about the going rate...

sanya, china, jan. 4 — inside a darkened waiting room that smells of cigarette smoke and mold, the karaoke hostesses of the guoxi hotel occupy a long couch. some apply makeup. others adjust bra straps and waistbands. liu stares blankly toward a big television screen, upon which a young woman with flowing black hair sings in cantonese about a faraway lover.

waiting fills most of the hours for a miss ktv, as the karaoke hostesses are known. waiting for men fresh from the palm-fringed beaches of this resort town on hainan island. hainan is perhaps best known in the united states as the place where an american surveillance plane crash-landed in 2001 after a confrontation with a chinese military aircraft. in china, the island is known as a haven for prostitution.

when a client arrives, requesting a private room, the girls snap to attention. the mama-san picks liu and two others, who stand nervously in front of the customer for inspection in their tight black pants and halter tops. his choice will determine who will take home nothing tonight, and who will collect tips of $25 or more for flirting and touching while he sings and drinks. he might invite them back to his hotel for sex, handing over as much as $125. it is more money than liu made in two months as a salesclerk in her hometown 1,000 miles away.

liu, whom the post is identifying by only her family name, and the others at the guoxi hotel are part of what may be china’s most dynamic capitalist enterprise — a flourishing trade in sex. though technically illegal, it has become increasingly open and ubiquitous in cities and towns across the world’s most populous country. some local governments have tapped into the flow of money by taxing the trade. as many as 10 million people take part in the industry, according to an estimate in the 2001 u.s. state department human rights report for china. that would make it nearly as large an employer as china’s state-owned businesses.

product of economic change
the trade has always existed here on a smaller scale, but its rapid growth is a product of china’s ongoing economic transformation from a communist country in which jobs and social benefits were modest though assured into one where nearly anything is possible but nothing is guaranteed. money-losing state companies are closing, leaving tens of millions out of work. the women — and, increasingly, men — who work in the sex trade are among tens of millions who have forsaken homes in china’s poorer, interior regions for better prospects in coastal areas booming with foreign investment and new wealth.

in a way, liu and her cohort are models of the kind of rugged individualism that china’s leaders have sought to inculcate as they have tied the country’s future to the free market. “these prostitutes have solved the unemployment problem for themselves,” said pan suiming, a sexology professor at people’s university in beijing.

but not without grave cost to themselves and chinese society in general. the sex trade is an increasingly significant channel for the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, according to health officials. since 1995, cases of gonorrhea, syphilis and chlamydia have increased more than 30 percent annually, according to government data. experts say those numbers are surely low given that most patients seek treatment in private clinics that do not report data to central authorities. more than 120 million chinese are already infected with hepatitis b, and at least 1 million have hiv, the virus that causes aids, according to the government.

embarrassment hinders regulation
in some countries — notably thailand and the netherlands — governments have acknowledged the scope of their local sex trade and targeted prostitutes with programs to encourage condom use to prevent the spread of infections. not in china. local governments are enmeshed in prostitution through their ownership of hotels that draw customers and profit from the trade, but for the communist party, whose legitimacy rests in part on having supposedly eradicated such social vices, the thriving industry is deeply embarrassing. that has stymied efforts to regulate it and limit its harm.

di tan hospital research center for sexually transmitted diseases. “they don’t want to talk about prostitution,” said xu keyi, who oversees the di tan hospital research center for sexually transmitted diseases in beijing. “they figure the communist system is the best system in the world, so we wouldn’t have prostitution. it’s an ugly thing and we don’t like ugly things.”

at the local level, the sex trade engenders corruption. prostitutes in massage and beauty parlors as well as karaoke lounges must hand over tips to everyone from the mama-sans who arrange the encounters to taxi drivers and tour agents who bring in clients. they must share their take with the bosses who employ protection syndicates that dispense a mixture of cash and violence to encourage would-be earnest local officials to look away, the sources said. much of the money lands in the hands of local police and other officials, according to those in the trade.

a tax innovation
four years ago in shenyang — an industrial city in china’s northeast — the mayor, mu suixin, urged the opening of bars and massage parlors as an antidote to unemployment.

he gave prostitutes licenses and applied 30 percent taxes to their earnings. the resulting windfall encouraged other cities to follow suit.

that has helped make china’s sex trade one of the world’s more brazen. at the zhaolong hotel in beijing — a five-star, government-owned establishment that is often full of chinese military officers — an older woman solicits male guests in the lobby during evening hours, in a normal voice and in full view of hotel staff. at other hotels around the country, male guests are routinely awoken by hotel receptionists, who ask, “are you lonely?” a company that calls itself yuan union organizes sex parties geared to foreign diplomats and businessmen in beijing, shanghai, shenzhen and other major cities, according to an e-mail solicitation.

china’s government tolerates prostitution for its economic value. for one thing, many in the trade are helping to support families back home in struggling rural areas.

china’s government tolerates prostitution for its economic value. for one thing, many in the trade are helping to support families back home in struggling rural areas.

at club butterfly, a karaoke lounge in shenzhen, a bustling city of new skyscrapers just over the border from hong kong, pan 24, said she gave up hopes of a university education and left her home in the western city of chongqing to work as a prostitute so that her younger brother could continue to attend school. she is now sending as much as $300 a month home. she tells her parents she is a waitress. “in china, daughters are not very important,” she said. “it’s the son that matters. unless i leave and find work, there’s no way that my little brother can continue his education.” three years ago, liu was making $50 a month in a state-owned department store in dangyang, a city in the central chinese province of hubei.

like many state-owned companies, the store was losing money. when a private businessman took control, he laid off workers, including liu, to cut costs. liu’s parents, who once enjoyed stable incomes from state owned businesses, were now heavily in debt.
liu, then 23, followed a friend who had already moved away and landed a sales job in shenzhen, booming with money from the thousands of hong kong people who moved there to save on living costs. liu found her sales job for about $100 a month, twice her salary at home. she and her friend shared a small bed in a tiny room, she said, one of six separated by plywood boards on a single floor of a house. her rent was $50 a month. food and transportation ate up another $40 a month. she was barely getting by. some months she was borrowing from her friend.
early last year, she decided it was time to move on. her cousin was already in hainan, working as a hostess. liu called her.

after the sun sets
hainan markets itself as a family tourist destination and convention locale. but once the sun sets, young women begin arriving at the beach resorts. liu said she knew full well what the job description of a hostess usually means. here, she could at least be sure she would not run into anyone she knew from home and suffer the disgrace of being discovered by her parents. “if they knew, they would throw me out of the family,” she said. ‘if they knew, they would throw me out of the family.’
— liu

speaking of her parents and her job as a 'hostess' at first, liu worked in the same karaoke place as her cousin. but it was a lower-end establishment and the tips tended to be small. two months ago, she switched to the guoxi, a higher-class place frequented by visitors from hong kong, taiwan, korea and japan. every few weeks, she said, one of the men invites her to his room.

liu is earning about $400 a month, she said. it is enough to send home about $50 and still set aside much of the rest. enough for the slinky dresses she needs to buy at the market, and enough for the makeup that occupies a low table in the bedroom she shares with her cousin. they split the $90 monthly rent with a third roommate, a former police officer from hubei. a color television occupies a table in their sitting room. liu has designs on putting enough away money to go back to hubei and open up a flower shop. maybe next year. “this isn’t my real life,” she said. on her television, another woman is singing in cantonese about love gone wrong. save for the sunlight splashing through the sitting-room window, she could be in the club. waiting. so much waiting. “i just want to make that money and go home.”

correspondent john pomfret in beijing and special correspondent wang ting in shanghai contributed to this report.

© 2003 the washington post company

Rtpman
01-23-03, 15:25
Soulman - Most of the girls go home for CNY. You will still be able to find some girls but it will be slim pickings.

Soulman
02-04-03, 06:41
Thanks rtpman. Well here is the latest:

There is major crackdown going on in South China. This is no typical new year crackdown but serious attempts by government at all level. This began 2 weeks ago... My contact told me that Gong An (police) are arresting girls left and right as shown on tv everynight and in some cases even mostly Taiwanese and HK customers which is rare. So most girls went home and waiting a call from mamasan to come back.

Apprantly, CCTV did hidden camera interviews at Dongguan KTV where the mamasan made statments like if you give us enough money then my girls will take all their clothes off in the room, any girl you pick will go to your hotel room, etc. This interview stuck a nerve in Beijing. Also the article I shared with you guys from Washington Post on prostituion in China (afterall it's published in DC and probabably read and embarassed by PRC Embassy since it mentions how many layers of government people are skimming off the profits from prostitution).

So be careful as this might go on for sometime...

DayNight
02-13-03, 08:50
Well, I was 'ourside SZ' just before CNY (Jan 29th or so) and had FS in a sauna place. Very slim, tal gal. Sex was OK, not dramatic for 350.

I will go next week again. Maybe I should change my tactics, not asking for a good looking gal (I'm not planning for live here) but rather ask for a sex maniac! Lets see what I get!

How do you ask in Mandarin or Cantonese for a sex maniac (or just horny *****)?

SeattleGman
02-16-03, 21:33
Originally posted by LoveAsia
SeattleGman,

Did you ever stay at the Sunshine Hotel across the street. If so, did you like the Panglin more? I have only stayed at the Sunshine but am considering Panglin.

LoveAsia

Did you make it to the Panglin? If so, how does it compare to the Sunshine in accomodation and girl access?

ManonsanBoy
02-17-03, 00:20
Hey guys

what crack down? The place I usually go to is in full operation but there are few custommers. Result: lower than usual prices.

LoveAsia
02-17-03, 03:28
SeattleGman,

I ended up staying at the Sunshine again. I will give you the tel of the travel agent I use in Shenzhen. Its cash only but a good deal. Does't include the breakfast which annoyed me briefly. Next door there is another hotel (the name escapes me) that I ate breakfast in everyday. Inexpensive and satisfying. The last day I checked out there rooms...their executive rooms and suite were pretty nice. I will stay there next time. I don't think its a problem bringing girls back at either place. I think the Sunshine rooms are in lousy shape considering how much they charge. Last trip had a insect problem in the bathroom..they sprayed and when I went back to the room, I thought I had been gassed by Sadam. They upgraded me to a suite which was cool but still dated. I will report back when I try the place next door.

SeattleGman
02-17-03, 06:13
LoveAsia

Thanks for sharing the info. I'm not worried so much about price because my company pays for it. I'll stick with the Panglin because it's 5-star nice and girl friendly. I've picked up girls right in front of the Panglin and went right past security with no problem. I just wanted to know if there were girl inside of the Sunshine like at the Panglin or come knocking on your door (they don't do that at the Panglin).

Rtpman
02-17-03, 15:07
SeattleGman - The management of the Sunshine have for the most part run the girls out of the lobby area. Now they tend to hang around outside from the corner, down to McDonalds or so. They look for eye contact or sometimes they just come up and hit on you.

Sunshine has a 11pm curfew. If you want a girl you'd better do it before then. They set up a podium by the elevators. I've seen foreigners being questioned as they were trying to take obvous SW up to their room.

The room I had last time at the Sunshine was very nice. I didn't experience the insect problem and my price included breakfast in the morning.

I never had a girl knock on my door at night. However, I did have a girl follow me up to my room. She must have seen that I'd picked up SW before. I didn't notice her in the elevator until the other people left. She spoke some English and she finally admitted she was hoping I was looking for a date. I took her up on it and she was one of the more sensual times I had on the trip.

LoveAsia
02-17-03, 16:34
SeattleGman,

Just to clarify, I have stayed at the Sunshine a total of 6 trips and this was the first insect problem I had. Management thought it was dur to unseasonably warm weather my last trip. That being said, never was stopped personally on the times I brought a "friend" back with me. Just focused on my "friend" and acted like old lovers....good luck.

Jazman
02-17-03, 22:34
LoveAsia-
rtpman
SeattleGman

can any of you gentlemen recommend a nic e hotel that is girl friendly and the girl are available in the lounge or lobby of the hotel

im not very comfortable picking them up on the sytreet. also can yu recommend any hotel, where the girlls now a little englisg.

thelast place i stayed around 2 years ago was atthe Shagra La. now they do not let anyone in.

What hotel can you guys recommend

LoveAsia
02-18-03, 03:20
jazman,

I never had a problem at Sunshine no matter what the time. When facing the hotel, on the otherside of the disco on the left, is another hotel which looks pretty friendly. If you play it cool I don't think you will have any problem most places. As far as picking up non-street gals...the club next door has plenty of pro and semi pro's. There is also a bar/club with live music not far from there with talent as well. How long will you be in SZ? Its actually pretty easy to meet regular gals. Any store you go into you are bound to meet someone to talk with and you can invite them out for tea or dinner.

LA

SeattleGman
02-18-03, 04:06
jazman

I pretty much shared experiences in my previous posts. With that said, as long as you walk into the hotel iike she is your girlfriend, most won't question it. Most of the girls working the street are not the same drug addict types you see in the USA (generally speaking). I would not be afraid to pick them up. Just make sure you hide your valuables in your room.

SeattleGman
02-18-03, 04:09
rtpman

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I have not had those problems at the Panglin.

Soulman
02-18-03, 06:22
gents.

i'm in sz now. is panglin and sunshine in lowu or futian? i prefer to meet semi pro.

i came across a semi pro from north (dalian) at crowne plaza disco sun night. she had nice body and long hair. she's new to business and "tight". she was a screamer and pinched me hard multiple times as i was pumping her. she even bit me (hard, ouch - hopefully redness will be gone before i retun home this fri)! what an animal... i wasn't sure whether she was screaming out of orgasm or in pain but i think both as she showed me her elbow which had some skin peeled off. i guess i was kind a rough... hell, i was so horny. my ex girlfriend was also from north (manchurian) and i see what they say about girls from north; they are noisy and wild in bed. :)

LoveAsia
02-18-03, 09:02
Soulman,

Both are in Lowu.

Rtpman
02-19-03, 15:14
Originally posted by jazman
LoveAsia-
rtpman
SeattleGman

can any of you gentlemen recommend a nic e hotel that is girl friendly and the girl are available in the lounge or lobby of the hotel

im not very comfortable picking them up on the sytreet. also can yu recommend any hotel, where the girlls now a little englisg.

thelast place i stayed around 2 years ago was atthe Shagra La. now they do not let anyone in.

What hotel can you guys recommend


jazman - You might try the Century Plaza hotel which is right up the street from the Shanga La. Its been a couple of years since I've stayed there, but used to be they had a lounge on the fourth or fifth flour and a disco on one of the upper floors. Both times I stayed there, there were working girls in the lounge. At the time they were 800rmb plus the lounge mommy got 200 for an exit fee. All the girls dressed really nice and all knew some English, some better than others. I never picked up one from the disco. The one time I went there I was early and the only customer. That makes one a target-rich individual. I had four girls all trying to get me to buy them a lady drink. I made the excuse I was supposed to be meeting a friend and left after one drink. I never discussed prices but I got the impression they were good to go as well. As far as safety goes, those girls while more expensive maybe a bit more refined and closer to what you are looking for. Since the hotel allows them to work out of their lounge you should have little problem with the girl since you can always complain to the mommy if she fails to deliver.

Otherwise as Soulman said, I usually just find a SW or use a mommy that csun213 introduced me too. She actually works out the best because she has access to well over 200+ girls. That being said be very careful with mommies and especially pimps. It is easy to scam or set up westerners. Find one you like and trust and use them. They quickly learn that there is more to be made in repeat business than a one-time scam.

Erik
02-19-03, 21:31
I passed through the Century hotel a few months ago, and noticed with great desapoitment that this lounge on the 5th (or 4th?) floor does not exist any more.

Jazman
02-20-03, 19:18
rtpman


can you refer me to your mommy?

i would like very much to try

does she speak english?

IlleagleFun
02-21-03, 11:17
Traveled the Pearl River delta (Shenzen, Hong Kong and Zhuhai)(also Macua, but I did not partake in any action). HK and Zhuhai reports can be found in those sections.

Though it was Chinese New Year, and I’m sure slower than norm, that did not stop me from having good experiences (especially Zhuhai)

Arrived from Hangzhou (the world’s most under-sexed city per capita this side of the Milky Way) via another town I was working in. My God, the amount of sex going on in my hotel in that town would give TJ (tijuana) a run for its money. This left me frustrated as the ladies would not give me, a very tall “laiwai” (foreigner) (probably any foreigner for that matter), the time of day (I would have a somewhat similar experience in Mong Kok, read my HK report). What’s worse, the ladies were quite attractive there.

So I arrive really needing some, but arrive late afternoon and decide to just check the scene out. WRONG! How many times do you plan to just “check the scene out” only to have the plan foiled?

Hit the usual spots, some SW’s outside Panglin and Sunshine Hotels approach, not many, but some worthy of attention. One follows me down the block to no avail. The plethora of “hair shops” (yeah right) to the northeast of Sunshine Hotel provided great eye-candy until---YANK. I find myself getting pulled in by this incredibly strong, not too attractive chick. I’m literally trying to resist until I’m inside and WOW, pretty Asian ladies here. OK. I still plan no action, so I survey the scene and in my VERY broken Chinese, say “another day.” They say $300, masaje and FS. Beautiful girls, too. I continue on my way. It turns out the best looking girls were there, as other shops didn’t have the talent (I’m very picky though).

Lastly, check out the Landmark lobby—nothing. Time to go home. As I exit I see in the distance a beautiful silhouette approaching. “Nihao” OK, a little old, but what a body. Lily and I exchange numbers (oops, got hers, but gave her mine…mistake #1). She’s enamoured with me. I think it’s just an act. We talk, again, in the 10-15 words I know, we part. (I’ll explain the importance of Chinese to us non-speakers in the Hong Kong part. Would be interested in people’s thoughts on my take).

I’m 2 blocks away, about to hail a cab when I hear clip-clop,clip-clop and heavy breathing. I turn around and it’s Lily running to catch up and she jumps in my arms.

Now I truthfully didn’t want to do anything that night, which actually puts you in great bargaining position. She wants to spend the night, I say I didn’t plan to, and we come upon this “understanding” of no money (mistake #2, but not so bad). Again, we really can’t communicate with one another. I’ve read the stories before: girl falls for you, gives you everything. I thought I hit the jackpot.

In interest of time, we shower together and I have 2 pops through the night (and I was right, her body was hot). BTW, I brought her to the hotel at 10:45 (no problem). I was about to take her to breakfast when: “How about 600 Yuan?” Excuse me. I should have completely refused, but it was an all-nighter and I had 2 pops, she was beautiful (though old), so I threw her 500 and we parted. I must learn to come upon a definite understanding the night before.

I was with a friend the next night, but I tried that hair salon place after we parted. A different reaction this time. Some were glad, some quizzical, some afraid, but 1 girl was unbelievable. The look of disgust she gave me, the "laowei", was the worst look I think I’ve seen. Again, through broken Chinese, I understood she would not do laowei. I called her “bu gao” no good, took out my big wad of cash and showed it around, pointed to her again and said “bu gao,” pointed to the cash and said dzaidian (good-bye). Don’t know if my reaction was appropriate, but I felt that girl really deserved it. I think you needed to see the look to understand what I felt. It is very hard for me to get bent out of shape. Went to sleep then went to Hong Kong for more action..

P.S.: Lily has not stopped calling me (including 15 times the following day). Wants to know when I’m coming back. Probably wants my cash.

Soulman
02-22-03, 02:59
illeaglefun,

Thanks for nice report. Now I know where the actions are in Lowu area. :)

I had similar experience... But I'd rather pay for the "service" and not have the girl "fall" in love. I picked up an average amateur in Shekou near McDonald's and she was good in bed. She only asked for 400 RMB for all nighter (going rate is 800 to 1000). I let her know I'll be back in 2 weeks and she called me first as I was taking lovely stroll in a park with a new girlfriend met thru internet penpal service. Anyway she came by and sex was awesome. I gave her 500 HKD the next morning as we went were getting dressed to go have breakfast and she was very upset. She almost cried... It wasn't the amount as I put the folded money in her pocket. She gave it back to me and I told her to take it as Harvest Lunar Moon money. She was upset during breakfast and slipped the money on my lap. I saw her again month later (she called me first) and sex was very good with her moaning "oh yeah". Then this time she asked for 800 RMB rent money. It sounded like she calls my cell number every few nights as she catches me off guard whenever I'm in China. I haven't seen her in my last couple of trips (too busy with other cuties).

So again I'd rather pay for the service. I had similar issues with girls I met thru internet in SZ area.

LoveAsia
02-22-03, 15:55
I enjoy hearing these great stories about SZ. Last time I was there met a girl at a phone booth and ended up taking her to dinner. She spent the night and the next day she was DEMANDING 1500RMB. It took me an hour on the street that morning to dislodge myself from her. Had to call a local friend to argue with her and to no avail. What a horrible experience.

Met some regular girls who actually have normal jobs since then. Nothing happening yet but I feel worth the time investment.

Not into the SW seen, but if you go to any of the discos alone...you will be approached sooner or later. The quality is pretty good and good chance of a gfe.

Have fun my borthas

Soulman
02-22-03, 17:40
Loveasia,

Hahaha... I had similar situation in Shanghai last year. Let's just say that some "professional" working girls want their money and in full amount. They'll scream, throw temper tantrums and even threaten to call Gong An (police).

As for wanting full amount, I took a cutie from ktv in Shanghai. She looked liked one my neighbor's wife! My dream come true! Anyway, I just assumed going rate of 800 RMB. She took her sexy black dress off to show me sexy red thong and played with that sexy thong in front of me. Let's just say I was really horny and drunk. But sex was mechanical at best and rushed. I gave her 100 USD bill then she turned into a real *****. She wanted full 1200 RMB. My very limited Mandarin and her very limited English didn't help. Anyway, I didn't feel like arguing at 4 AM so grabbed her and kicked her out of my room and handed her 100 USD bill. Well, I got up couple of hours later to eat and opened my door to discover 100 USD bill. I felt terrible. Then this girl called my up sounding nice and asking for her "money". She came by later and I gave her full 1200 RMB sine I felt guilty.

Now I think she intentionally left that 100 USD on my door (right below closed door so cannot be seen from hall) to come back later and collect full amount. :(

As for some amateurs getting regular jobs, yes I have also seen this happen. I also met some of these amateurs (I prefer them over pros which I avoid) have "rich" HK and Taiwanese boyfriends or they are 2nd wives and knowing the "trade", come out to make quick RMB and have some "fun". I also met a cutie in Shanghai couple of years ago who used to work at front desk at the hotel I was staying (Holiday Inn Pudong) then left for better money at ktv. She just about had heart attack when I told her where I stayed. Well, that was bad move as she changed her mind on coming to my hotel that night.

Enjoy Bros!

Loafer
02-28-03, 11:31
Finally I decided to see what these people on the street who are touting girls have to offer. I insisted on not going to their place but rather have the girl delivered to my hotel, which worked fine. Took about 10 minutes for the girl to arrive, cost was 500 for ST. I did not try to negotiate. In fact I used this method twice, and in both cases came a young girl who claimed to have arrived in Shenzhen only a few days ago. Not the beauties I was promised by the tout, but acceptable. The first one delivered ok service, but pestered me for more money afterwards. I finally kicked her out. The second one was plain lousy in bed, not rushing at all, but either not willing or not knowing what to do.

I had to escort the girls into the Shangri-la, which was surprisingly easy, even at 3 am in one case. Some time ago I had been stopped by the guards and the girl next to me had been refused entry, and that at 8 or 9 in the evening. Now I also notice that at least a few girls are back in the Henry J. Beans, though still far less than what it used to be a few years ago. Perhaps the Shang has eased a little bit on their no-girls policy.

Knobrm
02-28-03, 16:25
I have never had any problems following the touts to their apartments to see what they have to offer. During past couple of years have done it propably more than a dozen times, and also left several times without merchandise (due to visual quality not being acceptable); no hassles ever. Maybe good luck; mostly I followed lady-touts, and some them even remember me as a repeat customer. Usually they have couple of girls in apartment, and if you are not happy with any of those, withing few minutes they will arrange more; at least the apartment building behind SL has several places with few girls; sometimes there has been more than 10 girls to choose from after waiting for a while. Recently though less I feel.

Price for ST (one time) I have managed to get down to 200, sometimes 300. I guess the market rate is 200/run, so if you do 3x, you pay 600. Usually girls insist some tip, sometimes give if good, sometimes not (what they do not like...sometime need to push them out of door).

Recently I have stayed in Panglin, never any hassles; they frienly welcome when going in with a friend. Usually there is also couple of girls in lobby bar, last time couple of weeks ago a gal from Harbin, but asking 800 one time; too steep for me. Nice girl with big boobs though, but still. Told that she was a hairdressr back home but needed more money so came to south, due to family in Harbin not comfortable to be in business...

Soulman
03-01-03, 00:32
Gents,

It seems like most hotels have security guards near elevator or entrance to screen out "freelancers" cruising around for business. And some of the hotels are strict as the girl must know the guest name and room number. Most are plain looking young country girls and I found them to be boring as hell in bed with refusal to kiss let along bj. Some are knockers but they tend to hang out in discos. But these "pros" are more experinced and frankly worth to pay more.

Erik
03-01-03, 01:05
You can have a ST in the small apartments for 150 Y. Please try to keep the market to tht level.
The only problem I ever had is one time I had not seen any girl I liked, and the 2 mamasans just would not let me go out. They blocked the door, asking for a fee, etc... I had to force my way out.

Soulman
03-05-03, 11:17
Erik,

I don't agree with you on your point about "keeping mkt to 150 RMB level". You get what you pay anywhere. If hurried session in a real *****house by a girl who sees customer every 1/2 hr is your taste then fine. Many of us prefer more of quality and going rate in SZ/DG area is 800 RMB for short time and 1000 RMB for overnight stay. Many girls will go down to 600 RMB for short time. As I see it same quality Asian girl in US will charge $300 to $500 plus hotel room.

Erik
03-05-03, 14:57
Soulman,
Actually, I was speaking about ST in the appartments around Luohu railstation. 150 Y is indeed the market level.
I know that you can have a ST for 800 Y with girls who wait the whole evening in a 5 star hotel lobby, and I appreciate that they would not go for less. However, in my humble opinion, based on a many years of experience in China, it is not at all because you pay more, that you get a better service.
In China, as well as elsewhere, some products are just more expensive because they are displayed in a place that is supposed to be more upmarket.

Thor
03-05-03, 22:03
soulman, what part of the USA are you from? I have a hard time accepting your claim at face value. Having been to Shenzhen a couple of times, give me $300US, and I'll get you comparable quality in So Cal, and keep the difference thor

DayNight
03-06-03, 04:33
I too doubt the 'higher price' = 'better service' myth.

Keep in mind that those gals have no idea idea what 'good sex' means. How can they? It's not on TV and not tought in school.

You can have really expensive dead salmon too.

But the surrounding counts too! I don't like those barber shops. OK, RMB 200 can get you FS. But ever noticed that the mattress must be really heavy with all the sperm in it? And no shower!

I pay usually RMB 350 (+170 for the room) in a hotel massage place - 2 hours in a very clean room with large bathroom and a sauna. Gals are really clean (coz they shower with the customers all the time).

It's after all a much nicer experience.

Loafer
03-06-03, 04:43
DayNight,

I was looking for a massage place as described by you for a long time. Most I could get in a Shenzhen massage place was a HJ. I guess many of us here would appreciate a specific direction where you got lucky. Thanks.

DayNight
03-06-03, 11:33
Go to TangXia (about 50 Minutes by minibus from Lohou > RMB 25.00 - the bus passes both before the final stop). The Jin Dao and Jin Wu (Golden Lake Hotel) have both massage places.

The room is like a normal hotel room. But the bath is bigger and has a sauna. There is always a bottle of baby oil next to the bed. Both places are spotless clean and very comfortable.

Golden Lake is a bit more upmarket, but prices are almost the same (room 158 vs. 177 for 2 hours). Tip is usually 400.

Girls shower, give covered BJ, hot water BJ if you have a lucky day and of course sex. Girls aver very friendly, but the sexual quality varies of course a lot.

If you come very late you can stay probably overnight for the same room rate.

Return I usually go by taxi for 120 - it's a but outside but worth the trip.

Knobrm
03-06-03, 20:07
I was booked into Pavillioon hotel for my next SZ visit. Anybody know if there is any action neearby the hotel and whether it is guest frienddly or not? Do not exactly know the location, but somewhere in central sz area.

Batman
03-06-03, 21:55
I am looking for some info on Hotels in Shenzhen. I would like to know if anyone can tell me if the Dragon Hotel near the train station is OK. Also if they could recomend any other $30 or less hotels nearer the action (the lovely ladies) or is the Dragon close enough. Also how do I get from the airport to the train station to get to SZ or is taking the Ferry better. I am arriving at the airport at 8:00am.

There is very little info online about the trains and how to use them.

Lucky888
03-07-03, 05:36
Dongguan-Fenggan-QinXie

In case anyone is on their way to DG...here's some info from my previous visits there (I'm new to the Forum but want to share what I know).

The Palais Royale Hotel in Fenggan (China 5-star) has nice clean sauna/massage place on the first floor. Hotel has a website. If I recall correctly, it's about rmb198 for one hour and 120 per additional hour, with a 2 hour min. for sauna and massage with a girl in your own large room. Don't remember for sure, but if you go to the hotel front desk, they have a 50rmb discount coupon (you may have to be staying in the hotel, but maybe not....easy to fake, i supose). HJ and BBBJ are definitely available; fire only or fire and ice. I was unsuccessfal at getting amy more service, but at that time I coudn't speak a damn word of Chinese. Price will depend on your skill and how much you know about the rates from this forum......at the time, I hadn't done proper reasearch and paid about 200 or 300 rmb or so for HJ and then BBBJ. Massage quality varies; I had very strong and fun/into-it girl once and one who was a clock watcher.

The same hotel has a KTV place on the 2nd floor. Not sure about room or hostess tip price as I never paid (thank you suppliers!) but you can take a girl back to your room for 800 for the night (this is a decent rate for this place, i guess....anyway my suppliers who are regulars and know the various mamasans idd the negotiating). Good clean KTV place with 2 or 3 mamas on any night and plenty of girls. If you speak no Chinese, they usually can parade out 2-4 girls who can speak varying levels of english. There is a younger (mid or late 20s) mama who tends to have newer and better looking girls than the older, kinda squat mama. Last time I as there I had an incredible perfect-bodied, inexpereienced girl from Jiangsu for the night.....a real pleasure to just look at. Her name in english was Candy and she said she was going to go back the following week to Jiangsu....this was back in early Dec. 02.

If you're solo or small group, there is a disco inside the KTV where the girls hang out, and you can always find a dance, drink, and a girl without the cost or trouble of the KTV room rental.


I have also been to KTV at the Jin Lu (golden lake) hotel in DG...it may be located in Fenggan town or it may be located in QinXie....it's right near the border of these two towns. Anyway, it is different from the golden lake in TangXia mentioned by DayNight. The girls at tjos Jin Lu are a little wilder (will take off some clothes while dancing/singing), but it's not as nice or clean a place to sit, place dice, and sing KTV. I've not stayed at the hotel, but one supplier says they have better girls for less than the other hotel I've reported on above.

Erik
03-07-03, 15:30
DayNight,
Well, personnally I don't cum on the couch but inside the girl, and I guess most of the guys do the same. However, I agree with you, and I ALWAYS take the girl out to my hotel. Firstly because like you I don't like the environment of the 'barbershops', and second because a ST in your own hotel room is always longer than a ST in a small cubicle of a barbershop. Even for the same price. In conclusion, for me, in China, 'barbershops' are the best option to select and pick up girls. I don't bother anymore with ripp-off KaraOK and saunas where you can hardly choose the girl you want. Barbershops are laid back, inexpensive, with only one boss to negociate... It works fine for me. In some towns of Sichuan-Chongqing-Yunnan, some of these place don't even bother anymore to look like a barbershop (which of course they are not), but are openly pick-up parlors. Everything is very straightforward. All the places in a 'red lantern district' have the same market place, so the only thing to negociate is with or without BJ...

Soulman
03-07-03, 23:39
Thor,

Hey where can I get cheaper action in So Cal? I live in LA and used to $300 plus hotel room. I want privacy and hot chicks.

No massage parlor Korean old hags or sun parlor Vietnemese girls in Little Saigon. I heard there are good *****houses in Monterey Park with girls from mainland China (locked up that is - not the kind of experience I seek with prisoned sex workers). I tried call girls in Koreatown and they charge $300 and very good service. The girls were beautiful and young. Also tried to pick up young Latinas on bus stop with good to bad experinces. But cheap as I once picked this one cuti and she only charged me $50 for fs.

Soulman
03-07-03, 23:47
Erik,

I agree with you that more money does not mean better lay. I know... I had some terrible lays from ktvs; I mean real duds. In fact my last lay in China was a dead wood. I told mummy that she should not be in business (I use translation website).

That said, I was told to avoid "apartment" actions in Lowu area for safety reason. There were some murders there couple of years ago (HK and Taiwanse guys). They found them dead on alleys. I also heard that some act like pimp promising cheap sex and massage then take you to strange area to rob you.

There are tons of "bandits" who will rob you dry and they work in teams. These aholes see you leaving the *****house and know you got some extra cash. Like the other poster said, action in my hotel room beats *****house.

As always, be careful when pimp ask you to go to their house.

Soulman
03-07-03, 23:55
Lucky888,

Hey thanks for Palais report. My supplier told me Golden Lake is better than Palais so I stayed there. It's a typical 3 star Chinese hotel but I have not been to ktv at Golden Lake. My supplier takes me to his favorite ktv in Tangxia and I notice quite a few from the main street. I will try the ktv at Golden Lake next time.

LoveAsia
03-08-03, 02:04
Batman,

3 ways to get to SZ from HK airport....

1) coach bus service from the airport. When you exit customs head to the back far wall facing you and one of the companies will sell you the ticket. China Travel Services usually is the one who handles it. In general it is a big pain in the a__. You have to get off the bus 3 or 4 times...carry all your luggage when going through border crossing, etc.

2) Take train to Kowloon and then switch to the (I think it is the KTR train) which takes you to Lowu (last stop). From there you race out of the train with all your crap...proceed to go through the border crossings check points and prepare to stand on a usually unbearable line.

3) If money is no object and your willing to spend more for the more civil experience you can take the train from the airport to the ferry. They have one from HK Island and another from Kowloon. Takle the ferry....relax, enjoy the view...and when you arrive in SZ you clear a VERY quick customs line. From there you will need to take a taxi to your destination. Figure the taxi will cost you about 150RMB. My memory sucks as far as prices go but bad experiences last forever.

Good luck!!

Lucky888
03-08-03, 02:51
Batman,

I'll try to give you a little more detail beyond what Love Asia did. LoveAsia is certainly correct about the 3 options. (unless you have very big $$$ and want to take a taxi from HKG to the china border, but that will cost about $50-70 USD plus local taxi fare from border to hotel).

If you're carrying a lot of luggage or not so experienced communicating via Chinese or hand signals, then you might want to take one of the "Cross Boarder Coach" buses you will see when you clear HKG customs. This is by far the least hassle and the cheapest way to go. Also the quickest. A pain in the butt at the border crossing, but all options are.

However, there are many buses and destinations...and Shenzhen is big, so you'll need to know where you are trying to end up. Even though LoveAsia says this is a bad way to go if you have lots of luggage, well...all 3 ways suck for trucking your bags around.
One bus company I've used is EE Bus: www.eebus.com -- move your mouse over the links and you can kinda figure it out if you don't read chinese.
Another bus company is Go-Go bus: http://www.gogobus.com/
There are many others, all have info counters inside the arrival hall at HKG, and all serve various destinations. Find a counter and tell 'em where you want to go. If they don't have a bus departing within 30 minutes, try another counter.

Cost by Bus: about HKD200 at most, and it may drop you at or within walking distance of your hotel.

I don't recommend #2 for a beginner Shenzhen traveler. The getting off the KCR at LoWu (or Lohu, depending on your pinyin preference) can be a real shocker and you can easily have your wallet lifted...too damn chaotic and crowded plus gobs of touts...unecessary hassle for a first timer.

I would recommend #3 (via Ferry) if you are going solo and first time and want to see less of HK and more of the delta and SZ....and don't mind guiding yourself more along the way to the border. Not as cheap, not as fast, but hey, how often do you ride a ferry?

If you choose the ferry route, here are the details:
At HKG airport, you want to take the Airport Express Train to the City...either to Kowloon station or to Hong Kong Station depending on your arrival time and the Ferry time. You will have no trouble to find the train station service counter at the airport once you come out of customs.

Then you need to take a ferry to Shenzhen....but the ferry terminal you want is technically and more commonly called FuYong. For the ferry schedule, look at: www.turbojet.com.hk/turbojet_sailing_rev.htm
Note that you may need to take a cab from the airport express in Kowloon or HK to the appropriate ferry terminal.

Once you arrive at FuYong, you will have no trouble to find a cab. If you do for any reason, there is a free shuttle bus from FuYong terminal to the Shenzhen airport---where you'll definitely find a cabbie. Make sure you have your hotel fax you their name and address in Chinese so you can hand it to the cab driver.

Cost this way: Train HKD90 or 100, Ferry HKD 130-180, and Taxi RMB50 or 100 depending on traffic and your destination.

1 RMB = 1.06 HKD = about 12.x cents USD

Hope all this helps. Have a good trip and be sure to report back here.

Lucky888
03-08-03, 02:57
originally posted by soulman
lucky888,

hey thanks for palais report. my supplier told me golden lake is better than palais so i stayed there. it's a typical 3 star chinese hotel but i have not been to ktv at golden lake. my supplier takes me to his favorite ktv in tangxia and i notice quite a few from the main street. i will try the ktv at golden lake next time. soulman,

for a good hotel room that's new and clean, you can't beat the palais in all of dg. if you have a supplier in the area, they can call palais and can get "contract" rate of rmb550/night for your for a room on executive (8th-10) floors, which includes b'fast. they also have high speed adsl available in the rooms, which is very nice and rare in dg.

for ktv/massage/girls, golden lake may be better. only been to ktv once there, as noted below.

there is also a huge ktv on the highway that runs between fenggan and qinxie. the ktv is closer to qinxie, and one of the major cross-boarder coaches (i think gogobus) stops there. it's huge and supposedly very lively with hoardes of girls, according to my suppliers. never been there though, since it's a bit far from the hotels where i stay.

Batman
03-08-03, 06:12
Asialover
Thanks for the insight and advice. I will be in Shenzhen on the 3rd if you or anyone wants to have a beer. I read that a lot of the expats hang out at the City Cowboy now. But I am open for anything.

Thanks again

IlleagleFun
03-08-03, 06:21
Batman,

I was confused by where you were flying into, so...

Not sure if they have the exact info you need, but here are 2 sites on Shenzen that I found helpful with the latter being the most informative:

http://www.sz.gov.cn/english/
http://www.shenzhentour.com/english/index.php3

ILL EAGLE

IlleagleFun
03-08-03, 06:33
Soulman,

hi from one SoCal to another. I'm living in China for now.

Hard to get privacy AND hot chicks below 300 without MP's. Did you try the MP's in Inglewood? Lotta places with good choices.

Won't talk much here as this is the Shenzen board. Plenty of info on the LA board.

Wiil be in LA this summer. I was never able to crack the houses in Monterey Park. Would love to have a shot at them when in LA, but I'm told you need to be Asian, which I'm not. Is this so?

ILL EAGLE

ChuckPinoy
03-08-03, 07:32
Good Shenzhen Crowne Plaza experience. Was not hopeful after trolling the streets but after standing in the bar I noticed a nice girl with 7 men at a table. She walked past but did not say anything. I trolled and finally she moved to a new table, gestured and her first words were massage.

We discussed and she was an greta negotiator holding firm at 1000 rmb for 2 hours. She offered all night for 2000 and then produced. 24 -- body was unbelievable sans clothes. Good covered BJ effort and great movement. Absolutely great except alas no kissing.

She got dressed and was leaving and during our good-bye embrace -- well 600 rmb later I slept that much better. If she was a kisser she would have made Top 10 for the year. Her boobs may qualify her anyway!

Batman
03-08-03, 07:51
Thanks for the web sites Illeaglefun

I will be ready for fun in Shenzhen on the 3rd of April. hope I can hook up with someone that knows there way around.

I think the confusion is that I did not say that I am flying into Hong Kong International airport, SORRY.

Thanks again