2002-2006 Jakarta Reports [Archive] - Page 6

Cat Scratch

08-23-04, 10:59

Just returned from a spot of weekend R and R in Jakarta.

I used to live in Indoensia and really pushed the limits in terms of danger and excitement but these days as a visitor I stick to a tried and true formula.

Arriving at Soekano Hatta mid morning I made my way to the hotel (Hotel Mulia). After unpacking I grabbed a Silverbird to Blok M and the Melawai Hotel.

I started with the usual haircut, facial, manicure and pedicure at the ground floor beauty shop. Not the most salubrious of establishments but the ladies there remember me so the service is always good and non rushed.

Feeling like a new man, a quick elevator ride up to the sixth floor to the Marabaya Massage Parlour. A minor refurbishment had been undertaken since I was last there. Probably amounting to no more than a lick of paint and rearranging the furniture but I was initially disorientated. It also seemed to me that they were using higher wattage bulbs but then again it my memory of the bar area being a dark as a coal mine may have been distorted over time. The room was all but empty except for some sad looking guy at the bar.

As I sidled up to the bar and ordered my usual G and T the entrance started to fill up with WLs, all trying to get my attention. Soon after a big boned princess from Sumatra strolled up, asked if she could sit down. L was not really my type but she had a pleasant enough face and I had plenty of time so I offered to buy her a drink. Thanking me she ordered one of those hideous caffeine overload drinks. We had quite an interesting conversation about how she got into the "trade". She told me the usual story about the bad Indonesian boyfriend who knocked her up and left her and the sad journey from innocent and niave village schoolgirl to sex worker.

I was obviously touched by her story of education into the perverse sexual proclivity of bule men but doubly so by her admission that she didn't really like intercourse all that much but had developed a real liking and skill for blow jobs. Well I couldn't really disappoint the girl could I? The next thing I knew I was in one of the side rooms getting a glorious BBBJ. After a rousing CIM finale I lay there in the afterglow in her arms.

The next thing I knew I was awakened by the phone advising that the time was up.

"You a strong man" she said "You want one more"

I didn't think I was up to it and wanted to build up my reserves for the night but she was so playfully insistent that "I thought what the hell".

Back into the shower a up for the second innings. What followed was a surprise indeed. Not long into the encore this shy girl from some Sumartran kampung had her finger up my arse to the third knuckle massaging my prosate! I don't know where it came from but another mouth full of nut butter was despatched down her throat in lickety split time.

You can imagine that I had an extra spring in my step as I emerged out into the daylight soon after.

Onto Pasaraya for some shopping. I had picked up more than one perfume sales girl in the past from the shopping centre but this time the desire wasn't quite there (I wonder why!).

Back to the hotel for a kip. Upon waking the night beckoned with infinite possibilities (but a hopefully predictable conclusion).

I started the evening with the usual steak at BATS and a few drinks at the bar. There were some good looking non pros, semi pros plus the usual hardcore girls but I think the afternoon session had taken the edge off my hunger so I left for le Meridian and Tiga Pulu around 10.30.

At Tiga Pulu it seemed like more of the same and I seemed unusually jaded so around midnight I went back to the Mulia.

I love the hotel with it's large rooms, its good service ( my company was involved in the construction. I was one of their first customers when I first came to Indonesia and some of the staff still remember me), its convenient location and I like the restaurants. These days, due to a corporate arrangement I stay at the Marriott (that's another story for another time) but on my own time I generally stay at the Mulia. My only problem I have never liked CJ's. It is too claustrophic and the loud music is not conducive to cool chat up lines but on a whim I just dropped in to see what was happening.

Coming back from the bar I literally fell over a cute little thing. One thing led to another and an hour late she was back in my room.

S is a short girl (hey what's an Indonesian to do!) with long curly hair down to her waist. Although she had a small back she had a pretty prominant pair of soft natural tits of which I wasted no time sucking their large brown nipples.

Things really started to hot up. I could smell the musty heat of her rapidly engourging pussy lips filling my nostrils. Having spent a long time in Asia I wouldn't think of not having a shower before the main event but I was sorely tempted. I told her I'd be back in two minutes and ducked into the bathroom.

As I shampooed the cigarette smoke out of my hair I felt someone enter the shower cubicle. As I tried to open my soapy stinging eyes you can imagine my delight as I felt her lush lips around my dick. I quickly washed the residual soap out of my eyes and looked down to see her (complete with hotel shower cap on her head) on her knees and looking me directly in the eyes with the most avaricious look in her eyes as she rolled her sweet tongue around the head of my cock.

As enjoyable as the experience was the shower cap was just not doing it for me so we adjourned back to the king sized bliss of the bed.

After five minutes of DFK and mutual stroking I went back to her tits. As I sucked on the nipples they elongated to close to 20mm of desire. I swirled round the large brown aerole and headed south for the source of the pungent intoxicating aroma of her pussy.

Even before I applied my tongue to her clit she was oozing juice. She came twice (no acting as I had a single digit in her tight pussy at the time and I could feel the intense pressure of her orgasm grip my finger in rhythmic pulses.

I could stand it no longer and in seconds I was pounding away at her for her third orgasm (very) quickly followed by mine.

At this stage we were both fucked (literally and figuratively) and felt asleep in each others arms.

I woke in the morning to find myself spooning her from behind with the hard on of a 17 year old. She was wet again and sliding her pussy up and down the shaft of my cock in small hip movements. You can guess the rest.

Shit, I thinking about it now and I'm as hard as a post!

John Aldrich

08-23-04, 15:11

Hotel Melawai I and Melawai II are opposite each other and the cost of the room is about USD 30 to 35. Hotel Ambhara is about 1 and a half Kilomtre away and the room rent is about USD 50 to 75.

Ambhara is much more cleaner then Melawai. Ambhara is much more closer to the night joints such as Oscar's, Top Gun, etc. Even they have a Bar which has live music. Have been there once but have not seen any girls worth picking up. Am not very sure about how girl friendly they are.

Almost all Jakarta hotels are girl friendly and I dont think Ambhara can be exception to the rule.

But Melawai is extremely girl friendly and their inhouse Massage Parlours beats almost all other places. Melwai II is much more cleaner than Melwai I, but the Massage Parlour is in Melawai I and not in Melawai II.

Have fun

Cheers,

GoodEnough

08-23-04, 16:33

I have stayed in the Ambhara a couple of times, and I can assure you that it's girl friendly. I always brought the girls in however, and did not look for any in the hotel. The hotel itself is fine. Very clean, the rooms are hardly elegant but they are comfortable. I would never stay in the Melawi I or II unless they've improved dramatically since I've last been there but I agree that the massage parlor at I is outstanding.

LuvumBare

08-23-04, 16:55

John Aldrich or Bulai69,

Sinc search is not working I need to bother you for some details:

How far is Oasis from Borobudur Hotel? What are the $'s. Is Alice the best?

Also, since my time is JKT is limited - do you suggest Melawai1 or Oasis as the best experience?

Thanks,

'bare

Bulai69

08-23-04, 18:22

Asia Pro - if you look back at my postings (and others like John A) you will see many comments on malls because they are my favorite "hunting ground". To some extent it depends on the "quality" you are looking for and how much time you have. In terms of quality: Plaza Senayan, Plaza Indonesia and Pasar Raya in that order.

There are others of similar standard but they are well away from other action. Broadly speaking quality correlates with difficulty and time. Towards the other end of the spectrum is Atrium Mall. Again there are many others of similar and lower quality especially in Kota (eg Mangga Dua etc). Best time is after 3pm and before 8pm, although lunch time can be good too.

Food Courts are a good source - if you see one (or two) girls at a table just ask to join them, 95% of the time they'll say OK. If you are feeling adveturous you could go into the large office blocks (eg banks) at lunch time and look in the cafes. Jakarta stock exchange is a good place, it's easy to bullshit you're way through the "security"

Surfer

08-23-04, 21:14

Prices quoted for hotels are WAY off, unless melawai has gotten MUCH more expensive & Ambhara cheaper (which I doubt).

Melawai 1 used to be less than $20, though this was 2 years ago. No way you can get Ambhara for $50; I had a corporate discount (friend in the drilling biz) and it was closer to $80 2 years ago.

Qualitywise, Ambhara is the bomb (for block M area). melawai1 is older, shitty A/C is my biggest gripe, while Melawai 2 is slightly better. But Melawai2 requires crossing of the street (more of a hassle than it sounds and MUCH more dangerous!) to get ANYWHERE, whereas Melawai 1 has Marabaya on the 6th floor for daytime fun and Lintas Melawai next door for LATE night fun.

Jaimito Cartero

08-24-04, 05:09

Price quote on hotel website is $78 US. I've found cheaper rates on one discount website (espeically on weekend stays), but not a lot cheaper than you listed. 725,000 RP weekdays, 595,000 weekends. Inclusive of tax.

John Aldrich

08-24-04, 17:04

LuvumBare

Borobudur is pretty far off from Oasis. Oasis is on Gatot Subroto in the Patra Jasa Building. During day time it would take close to an hour to reach the place by a four wheeler due to heavy traffic.

Both Melawai and Oasis have their own strengths. At Melawai it is full service which includes BJ and fuck and the entire package is fixed at Rp.300K. You dont need to negotiate. Most girls know I need to be with them for one hour and would need to fuck as many times I want in the one hour, though most of the time its twice.And you get a proper bedroom with a bath tub attached.

I was there this evening and I found a few newbies from Indramayu, pretty young. Picked up Maria and she was really wet and juist fabulous.

At Oasis, you get a massage table. They charge you Rp.120K. And you need to negotiate for the extras. Soem girls give only a HJ, some give you a BBBJ with CIM or a CBJ and some agree for a fuck. But then its only for one shot.

So it depends on what you want. If you want a good massage and in the process an extra thrown in then Oasis is the place. But in case you just want to have a good fuck then Maribaya is the place.

John Aldrich

08-24-04, 17:25

Surfer

The room in Melawai when I picked up last time about a fortnight ago, it costed me Rp300K. In terms of Ambhara, my company has a negotiated rate of Rp.400K ++ inclusive of breakfast. Yes they have apparently assured them 1000 room nights in a year. While, my friend says his company has been offered a corprate rate of Rp 600K ++ inclusive of breakfast. I asked him to check out the reasons and then he was told that his company has assured them only 300 room nights. And we dont have any corporate discount rate at Melwai. Obviously it does not deserve corporate patronage due to its cleanliness levels.

I guess the prices are directly linked to the guaranteed business that the corporate offers them.

In fact I was travelling to Singapore and I was told by my company that I will have to pay Sing $ 90 for the room there while I found the hotel was offering vouchers at Sing $ 60 at the airport. I picked up the voucher and came back & reported to my Admin guys. They explained that the rate offered to us was round the year package and the hotel room charge goes upto Sing$250 during peak season and the published rate was indeed Sing$250. But during the lean season they offer it at lesser price than even our corporate rate. But the same rate was maintained by them for us. And I was also told that the rate had been offered based on the number of room nights assured by our company for the year.

I dont know how it works, in case the company assures the minimum room nights and then does not fulfill the commitment. I guess they also check the past track record of whether the company has occupied some minimum, number of room nights. Maybe someone from the hotel industry would be able to explain.

Incidentally my company gets Hyatt at Rp. 600,000++ and also Hilton at Rp.650,000 ++. This includes breakfast. But yes the occupancy is phenomenal.

Asia Pro

08-24-04, 18:52

Thanks Bulai69.

I will be there in about 3 weeks and report back. In the meantime, I spend a couple of evenings in STIX in the Park Lane (or something like that) Hotel. I was hanging out with this cute waitress there. Does anybody have a recent experience on the quality in that place? Just wondering if it makes sense to go there again.

Tonsil Basher

08-25-04, 04:27

I received this in my mail from someone in another group. He says she's a student, name is MAYA. Since I'm not going to Jakarta anytime soon, maybe one of you (or more) would like to check her out and post an FR or two here.

081808006000
08561809010
081584002606
(021)7992434

Maybe Chalky would like to take this lead.

Kl Tonight

08-25-04, 08:25

Hi guys,

Anyone looking to hunt or have some good time in Jakarta? I just arrive on Monday. Had a great FL with me (intro by friend). Really think of mall hunting, i was in Plaza Atrium at about 9 pm, not much choice and the shop is closing, no luck. I will be here till 28 August.

If anybody wanna join hunting just PM me. Thanks

LC

Mangga

08-25-04, 10:17

Bulai69,

You said your favourite hunting grounds include Plaza Indonesia and Pasaraya. Where exactly in those malls do you find the best? Since they moved the bar in the food court at Pasaraya, I haven't really had much success there.

Mangga

08-25-04, 11:07

My report of 20 Aug had a picture attached, but it didn't seem to get through. Trying again.

Bulai69

08-25-04, 23:22

LuvumBare - What John A says about Oasis etc is correct. Only thing I would add is that they do have "VIP" rooms as well as the ones John A describes but I've not tried them. Same girls of course just better environment I guess. Oasis is more "up-market" than Melawai but the girls aren't any better in my experience. Oasis is not well known by taxi drivers, you need to ask for Patra Jasa building. Don't get confused with Oasis restaurant which is well known

Menteng

08-26-04, 11:36

Basher,

All those numbers for one girl?

Tamurlane26

08-26-04, 15:56

If memory serves me correctly said Filly has her own website and has expensive tastes to match.

I did tickle the cat and the price offered was sufficient to keep most of us gentlemen happily in the land of Indonesian Abalone for many a week if not a month depending on your skills of negotiation.

She has the most delightful voice on the line but that was not sufficient to entice me to part with the US dollars requested.

Look for Sahmia and you will find the dotcom you are looking for - but be prepared with the dollars !!

Happy Hunting

Surfer

08-26-04, 22:32

A great mall rarely (ever?) mentioned on here is Ciputra which is VERY close to Trisakti University and RIGHT next tyo the freeway about 2/3s the way in to Kota coming from the airport. This is bad trafficwise, in the old days they would freqently have student demonstrations resulting in closing of highway offramps and horrendopus traffic jams, but good if you like college girls on the prowl).

Pasaraya is not the same, by most accounts, as it used to be.

Bulai69

08-26-04, 22:46

Surfer - you're right. When I said in my post that there were other [malls] of same quality as PS & PI that's what I had in mind but I think you'll agree, Ciputra is tedious to get to if you are based in Sudirmann area. Certainly there are many girls to pick up there and fewer bules around too. Actually if you are in the Ciputra area, it's worth looking in Slipi Jaya mall. This really is good for picking up students late afternoon. Quite a few Indonesian business men can be found in there "looking" but hardly ever any bules. I was stopped by a security man in there who asked me what I was doing (having seen me walk round for the 20th time). Given he had already worked it out I just said "saya cari gadis cantik". I gave him 50k and 2 minutes later he turned up with one for me!

Mangga - I would say PI is many times better than Pasar Raya for hunting in my experience. Also, the new bit is particularly good at the moment (because it's new) though I've yet to see anyone else comment on success there (suprisingly). I can't believe I'm the only one whose scored in there! I bet John A has been lurking around ?!

Bulai69

08-26-04, 22:58

Mangga - just to fully answer your question, it's always best to go for sales girls especially perfume as they are on highly geared commission, often starting at zero. My standard line (slightly embarrassing to relate but it works!) is this. Look at ladies perfume (not mens after shave etc). Girl comes up and asks you to buy for your wife, you say you don't have one, they say buy it for your girl friend, you say you don't have one of them either but maybe you can buy it for her if she goes out to dinner (or whatever) with you. She will say yes 9 times out of ten but only after you've bought. It's then just down to judgement and negotiation: the important principle, that she can be bought, has been established. There are variations on this but that's an approach which works. Also much better if you can do it in bahasa Indonesia - just learn the nouns, yes and no and you'll get by. Not all the sales girls speak English

Bulai69

08-26-04, 23:02

Asia Pro - Stix is not so hot now in my (limited) experience of it so it wouldn't be top of my list. In Jakarta "new" is always "best" so I suggest you try (new) Hard Rock Cafe

Jock123

08-27-04, 04:39

I posted this on the Singapore board....

I spent a pleasant afternoon with a girl who I met during the day in the cafe/bar outside the Marriott on Orchard Road. Although she wasn't Filipina, some of her friends were. They were sitting at the bar on the corner - fairly obvious what was going on. There were also lots of girls in the large mall next to the Marriott - Lucky Plaza? - again many of them Filipina.

The girl I met was half Malaysian and Indonesian, and was an 8 overall. If you pm me I'll give you her phone number. She'd be up for some daytime fun.

By the way, if there's a compatriot of mine out there, now living in Jakarta, who sends money to this girl each month, then she's not staying at home as she tells you. Again, if you pm me with her name, I'll give you full details.

Jock

Mangga

08-27-04, 08:44

Bulai69,

Hey thanks for that excellent introductory course in mall mongering 101. That's what this forum is all about! I'll give it a try at the first opportunity.

Actually I'm very busy at the moment with a different way of gathering chicklets to fuck, one that doesn't usually get much of a mention in this forum. The famous mall-mongers have dominated of late (not that I'm complaining).

What's kept my diary very full in the last 12 months has been making connections through websites. You pay a small fee and you can trawl through to find girlies to your exact specifications. Most of the Indonesian sweeties are non-paying members and wait to be contacted.

It's a cyberspace version of a pick-up joint. All the girls are only there because they want to fuck, so if you make contact you don't have to go through any long process of pretending otherwise. 99% are only after a good fuck and maybe some dinner and drinks. I've only noticed one or two obvious pros. Some may also be after a long term relationship or even marriage, but if you're on an explicity sexually oriented website, even the most serious-minded are looking for a physical rumble first.

Of course, like everything, it has its upsides and downsides. Operating through a website takes longer and involves dangers like the girl becoming clingy and wanting exclusive rights to your body. That's happened to me a couple of times. But the upside is you get a girl who really wants to fuck for sexual pleasure not for money and (even better) wants to fuck YOU for sex because she likes you. Some mongers may find that a negative, but each to their own!

I've got a date tonight that will end with us in bed rooting (as we say in Australia) like fuckbunnies, 100% guaranteed. We've already had some great sessions and she doesn't want any strings because she has a boyfriend overseas.

Then on Sat night I've got a date with a girl who I haven't met yet. We've had a lot of sms exchanges and a phone call, but so far we've only just swapped photos. I've no idea how it may work out but, like I said, when you connect on a sex website it's no secret what you've both got in mind.

So to all fellow mongers, give it a try. It's a different experience and you get to fuck a different kind of girl. And it works!

Surfer

08-27-04, 20:49

Bulai69: Like your style but 50K is a GREAT tip for a finder. I typically give 20K with a promise of another 20K afterwards IF she is a top performer (gives the finder an incentive to tell the girl to treat you right).

Ciputra Mall is VERY convenient if you stay at Hotel Ciputra (:
I like to move around a bit as I get bored just staying in Kota (or Block M area) all the time. Heard good things about Ancol too (lots of lookers and very few bule) but never made it that far North.

Bulai69

08-27-04, 21:49

Surfer - you're right I was generous but don't forget I was also mitigating the risk that this guy might cause me inconvenience given he was a security man. Certainly Ciputra Mall is handy if you're staying at Hotel Ciputra - trouble is you're an hour away from anywhere else!

Ancol is good at the weekend during the day, lots of girls and as you say, not many bules. I still prefer hunting in the malls I've talked about though - especially when there's girls like this about

Bulai69

08-27-04, 21:53

And another -

GoodEnough

08-28-04, 03:44

Bulai69:

I do not know what effect your posts are having on other guys, As for me, I plan to hit the malls as soon as I get in, which is on a Saturday, and to hang out in your recommended places as much as possible.

Thanks for all of the great information. If you ever get to the PI and I can reciprocate in any way, let me know.

GE

Bulai69

08-28-04, 09:58

GoodEnough - it might be obvious (the effect on other readers) when you get there if there are big queues of bules at the perfume counters and food courts! There are certainly some good conquests to make.

Bulai69

08-28-04, 10:14

A different type to the previous posts - more the "style" to be found in Sarinah, Atrium or Blok M Plaza. This girl is often in/around Sarinah (where old HRC is, 10 minutes walk from Hyatt in Plaza Indonesia)

Karand

08-28-04, 15:23

Nice Manual Bulai69. Anni seems interested in 'em.

God of Gamblers

08-29-04, 00:24

Guys, I've been here for quite a while, so I've found some unorthodox places to meet babes. This won't interest people passing through since it is much easier for them (and much more efficient timewise) to simply go to Hard Rock, HMelawai, etc. However, some may appreciate it.

ANCOL GELANGANG RENANG
This is a series of swimming pools in Ancol for lower class Indonesians. Needless to say, you are floating in warm water surrounded by brown friendly babes, so it is quite easy to make contact (and check out) numerous potential friends.

CAFE ON GROUND FLOOR IN ATRIUM
Carry a stack of name cards and sit in the cafe on the ground floor by the main entrance. There is literally a window in the cafe and the girls stroll past. Simply hand out your name card to friendly babes strolling by. I know, you think this is too forward, too obvious but it works, my friends.

CAFE EXCELSO PLAZA INDONESIA
Many claim that only gays go to this cafe and there are quite a few, but they won't bug you and this is a major pick up joint for babes too. Over the years I have noted that anyone who sits in this cafe is fair game. I have seen gorgeous women sitting here with their families, thinking that they are 'off limits' only to see them at a later time in Hard Cock strutting their stuff hitting on old expat oilmen. Anytime is a good time to go there: sit down, order a java and watch the parade.

JSX BUILDING
Ok, I know you doubt this one, but it is another major pick up joint if you're into middle class office workers. They are cute, clean, well-educated and speak English. You have to sign in when you enter. Just enter "Gym" (there's a fitness center) and no hassles. There are two levels of shops and cafes.... need I say more?

I could go on and on but that's all for now. A friend of mine sent me this photo saying it was a recent conquest.... I have my doubts since it looks too professional. But it has piqued my interest and pushed me on to raise my standards and go for my gorgeous girls. Hope it does the same for you guys.

Happy Hunting

God of Gamblers

08-29-04, 00:36

SCAM

I went with a friend to a place in Hotel Ciputraa he had heard there was a set up like HMelawai. I forget which floor it was on but it had karaoke, a bar, the whole set up. We sat down at the bar and there were girls sitting everywhere and mamisans ran over to us. We thought "jackpot", but as it turned out, the whole thing was a sad, sad, pathetic scam. The girls charged by the hour to sit with you. Yes, you read that right. You pay by the hour for the privilege of speaking to a woman. And of course, her major interest seems to be in ordering expensive drinks and you quickly realize that there are no rooms there and she cannot leave during her shift which seems to go on forever blah blah blah.

To cut a long story short, we left that place in disgust, angry at having been conned. I felt for a minute that I was back in the West! Paying for the privilege of speaking to a woman! Got to be kidding. Luckily, down the street from Hotel Ciputra is an infamous short time joint where you pay Rp60,000 for a babe chosen from a catalogue. We drowned our sorrows and 'unwound' there, free from the trauma of earlier that night.

Just a word of warning to others who are roped in to going there. However, I went there years ago; not sure what it's like now. Any news on it?

Bulai69

08-29-04, 00:42

God of Gamblers - regarding your comments on Excelso in PI, as you say there are lots of gays go there but that is a good thing - because as I'm sure most people know, girls like to hang out with gay guys. If you spot gays with girls there you can be sure the girls are up for it. I've made friends with quite a few of the gay guys in there and they can be a very useful source of contacts. In fact I originally met the girl Anni in my recent photo post in Excelso in PS when she was with a gay guy. Need I say more?

Karand

08-29-04, 16:06

God of Gamblers,

Thanks for the reminder on SCAM. Have seen this kinda thing in Bandung n Jkt in DANGDUT pubs. You have to "book" the girl on an hourly basis, for a minimum for 2 hours, paying anywhere between Rp. 20,000 to Rp. 50,000 per hour. The girls are in these bars just to accompany you for a dance or talk.

Believe it or not, the practice is quite common in Indonesia. No sooner than you walk into a bar will the mamasan come over n show you her lot of "available" girls. No sooner than the girl sits at you table will she realise she has been craving a few months for a nutty chocolate bar which will cost you 5000 in the supermarket and a whopping 20,000 in this bar. And then she'll suddenly want to have a shot of Jack Daniels, which, in Bandung costs Rp. 40-50,000, depending on the bar you're in.

Coming to action, maximum allowed is a bit of groping and a few kisses. Its like being a teenager all over again and courting. The main difference being you're paying through your nose in this case.

Of course, each problem has a solution. They can cajole, but they cant force you. Been to these joints a couple of time which clients who had to be entertained, so followed their insistance and bore the brunt of the girls' delirious demands.

The times I was alone.

1. Ask Mamasan if the girl can go out. Insist you're willing to pay 300,000 for a 6 hour "private" show rather than a measly 20,000 per hour.

2. If Mamasan says no - and 99% she will - say you wanna be alone and have a drink.

3. If you feel like having a girl for a mild session of groping n kissing at your table, put your foot down. No Chocolate bars - she's not a kid anymore! And she drinks what you drink - Bintang Bir - from the bottle.

4. Make it to the joint by 1 AM. That way, there's no 2 hour restriction since these places close by 2 AM.

And last, but not the least - do ask the girl if she's interested in making some extra cash and wants to join you after you leave from the bar.

I do not insist the above method is fool proof, but if you arent getting any honey, dont spend your money. A sincere advice from a bonafide cheapskate.

Cheers!

God of Gamblers

08-29-04, 16:21

Your quite right, Bulai. But I know a lot of bules who refuse to go there because they think it's a gay pick up place: it's definitely not. The only problem in PI is that everyone acts like they're a movie star; Atrium is a lot more down to earth and to my liking.

Bulai69

08-29-04, 20:10

God of Gamblers - agreed, same applies to PS. In fact there are quite a few minor Indonesian "celebrities" to be found in there if you know who they are (I don't, but girls I'm with usually do). Overall, the general effect is to raise expectations on what they (girls) will get out of you. Same applies to "upmarket" bars versus those lower down the scale.

Actually I don't understand why bules worry about the fact that Excelso is a gay pick up place (which it is to some extent), like I said before, what's the problem being friendly with gay men? It provides access to girls and it certainly won't put any girls off even if they think you are gay. They'll soon learn otherwise!

Ferolga777

08-29-04, 21:07

Bulai69

Photograph: scan.jpg

This the kind of cutie that makes cry out: Foxy lady!

danka
ferolga

Dorman

08-30-04, 02:49

Well I had it all planned out yesterday afternoon, Sunday, tell my girlfriend that I was going out for a few beers, maybe watch some English football I'd be back by 10pm latest. Of course she didn't realise the evening would involve checking into the Melawei Hotel a visit to the sixth floor then down to D's Place and back to the hotel with one of the girls there before returning home drunk, exhausted but happy. Now what on earth could upset that fine plan?

Well I arrived in the street where the hotel is but couldn't get too near because of some commotion. A crowd of people and lots of flashing lights, holy moly the Melawei was on fire! I asked an Aussie guy what happened, turned out the fire broke out on the seventh floor, the alarm went off the place filled with smoke and the power cut out. No emergency lighting no sprinklers, his girlfriend who was taking a shower just scarpered (I'll bet she did, no Indonesian girl wants her mother to know she's in the Melawei). I naturally asked about the girls in the sixth floor, he said they behaved well even helping people to get out, makes you proud doesn't it?

Anyway I met a few of the girls and they were a bit upset so I took them to D's place for a few calming whiskey colas, well what's a gentleman to do when he meets such extaordinary girls? Actually truth be told I was a bit shocked myself, half an hour earlier and I would have been in one of those back rooms with no clothes on, I really wouldn't have fancied my chances in a power cut with the place filling with smoke. Anyway as far as I know nobody died I hope that turns out to be the case.

After a few beers I returned home, I casually mentioned to my girlfriend I had heard there was fire in the Melawei, her response? "Kasihan de loe! " Maybe she knows something after all.

Bulai69

08-30-04, 11:28

Ferolga777 - yes - for me she scores really high on looks (and performance), great body too, look at those thighs! By the way, I see this girl regularly and never pay this girl any cash at all - but I must admit, she probably costs more than most in "running costs"!

Surfer

08-30-04, 22:29

Let's hope the fire was not started by JI operatives. I have long worried that Marabaya would be a VERY attractive target for the extremists, as would D's Place.

Jaimito Cartero

08-31-04, 03:26

I've spent the last week reading all 87 pages or so of posts on the Jakarta forum. Wow, takes a long time to even absorb a little bit of it.

I've emailed JAD, and think I will have him escort me around when I come to Jakarta. I'm waiting until I get to Bali to buy the tickets. Does anyone have any airline preference for cheap tickets from DPS-JKT?

I'm on a monthlong holiday and am trying to squeeze as much fun into the money I'll have. After reading about the fire, I don't know if the Melawei will be open or not (I would think so if it wasn't major).

I'm looking for some place that's close to the action, but not too expensive. $30 or so range a night is probably about my budget.

I'm interested in some of the mall pickups I've read so much about. Now I had one of my best experiences in Nicaragua last year with a part timer. While I don't harbor too many illusions about the kind of girls they are, it does seem to be much nicer to find some of them this way.

The big question is, are they looking for all bule (not sure if I'm using the right term), or only younger cuter ones. I'm not either of these (cute or young), so wouldn't want to waste my time if it's not going to happen.

It sounds like Indonesia is a mix of Kuala Lumpur and Bangkok. Not as open as Bangkok, but not as secretive at KL. Thanks to eveyrone who has helped me out.

One final question. I like to go to local crafts market, and bring back gifts and other local handicrafts. Any good places? (I usually bring back 1-2 suitcases full, so a wholesale or low priced one would be ideal.)

Gzono

08-31-04, 07:36

Jamito re Jakarta

From Bali try the Bouraq airline special-just check the TAgents around Kuta for specials

Hotel-Marco Polo is good and great pool in Cikini-rooms clean but basic 10miuntes from action and very safe

Girls well you dont need a guide-sorry JAD just go to the right spots and chat with bule and get some tips and discover for your self Try new HRC and then Block M Ds Place is good

Malls-yep if they look twice your either fucking ugly or worth a spin like any place you will know if they want you just smile and be nice and see what happens I have seen the ugliest losers in my life with the hottest numbers so.

Good luck and wear a condom buddy!

Mangga

08-31-04, 11:30

Paid a visit to Stadium recently and was reminded why I haven't been there for years. Avoid the place.

The girls look great when they're hanging around the bar on the second floor or sitting in the fishbowl, but I've never had really good service from a single one. Once even demanded my money back. And to give the place their due, they returned it without argument.

Went there the other night and the sight of a nice young thing, medium height, pretty face and gorgeous big tits had my tongue hanging out. I asked her if she did BJ and she readily agreed. But I took the precaution of choosing a second girl because past experience has told me that if you get one dud then the chances are that the other one may be better. She called to another girlie, older and not such a good looker, but what the heck, give her a go.

Well, my instincts were right again on the 2 girl theory. When we got into the room Little Miss Big Tits started off fine with a reasonable BJ. But soon she was handing over to the older girl who gave a better (though not fabulous) cocksucking show. When I wanted to switch back to Miss Biggies she was suddenly struck down by tiredness induced by about 3 minutes of sucking my dick. From then on it was all downhill.

Miss Big Tits basically became a passive resister for the rest of the time and only the fact the older girl gave me a reasonable blowjob stopped me from calling a halt and asking for "duit kembali". As soon as I came in the older girl's mouth Miss Passive was jumping up and telling me to "mandi mister". Even the other girl could tell how pissed off I was becoming.

Only about a half hour had passed but the crap service meant I had no interest in pursuing my rights for more time.

Like I said, I was reminded why I had given up on the place so long ago. The only reason I went back that night was because the good old reliable Berlian turned out to be closed.

Berlian is certainly not a flashy place (but not grotty either) and the slutties tend to be a bit older, but I've never ever had a bad experience there. The friendly old couple that run the place treat you like you're around for a cup of tea and are helpful but never hassle you.

I usually follow the 2 girl principle at the Berlian too. In this case I chose one of my tried and trusted fucklets who I know will give a great BBBJCIM, rimming and do what I want happily and enthusiastically. But I also go upstairs with one of the newer, younger fucklets who are better looking but maybe not so experienced. I've usually found that's a great combination because the older girl can lead the younger one onto more sluttish behaviour. And I've never been dissapointed.

So, my recommendation is to steer clear of the Stadium and head for the Berlian instead. They're within walking distance of each other. The Berlian atmosphere is more laid back and the girls seem quite happy to be there, unlike the Stadium were I get the impression they're bonded to the place. I've also had some fun times at the Hawaii and Tin Tin, although the Hawaii's rooms (well, cubicles) are pretty grotty and tiny.

German Man

08-31-04, 11:36

Hi fellow mongers,

I'll stay in Serpong, Tangerang next month for some days. Any suggestions where to go to there?

Happy hunting!

Menteng

08-31-04, 12:56

Jaimito,

If not much harm was done to Melawai, I'd stay there for the $ 30.00. But, no breakfast included. Actually there are to options, Melawai I and Melawai II, at eachs opposite, so there's always a bed available. Around the corner is Hotel Losari, negotiate and you might even pay less than in M, including breakfast. Melawai is right in the middle of the action as you have noticed and next to it is Lintas Melawai for take-aways if the girls on the 6th floor are not of your liking. As for Losari, it is opposite of Blok M plaza, where you can do some hunting, as is at Pasaraya foodcourt nearby. Staying at either hotel means that you will be close to Jl. Paletehan. A lot of bars over there with take-away possibilities.
In the lobby of Melawai I is a travel agency. You can book your flight to Bali there. If you want to compare prices first, other travel agencies are in the neighbourhood.
Being a bule is enough to label you as very attractive. Believe me, I can tell you about that. (I've had "negative" experiences for not being a bule, you see.)
For handy, I'd suggest Pasaraya again. Tourist's prices though. There is also a shop behind Losari that is cheaper and where you can negociate. I forgot the name, but I'll tell you as soon as I know.
Last info. The girls of Indonesia have in common smaller nalgas than the latina's. Be prepared.
If you feel like having a drink together, I'll arrive in Jakarta at 22/9. Just give me note.

Anyway, disfruta ******!

Brother Kafka

08-31-04, 14:18

I like to keep it simple!

No walks of shame, no late night in bars, just pure fun. Looking for a call girl or escort agency in Jakarta. Can you guys help? Phone numbers, prices and evaluation of the quality is welcome!

Will be staying at the Merriott. Do you have info on the hotel? In house services, are they girl friendly, any chance to pick up girls (pros or non pros) in their bar or lobby etc?

Thanks

John Aldrich

08-31-04, 18:57

Hey folks,

Just back from Melawai. Its on and kicking with action. Had my pick in Lusi. Great BBBJ. None of the girls indicated any panic about the fire. But yes, I guess I was the only guy at 10 pm. And the girls did mention that today was not a busy day. Anyway, I checked in with Lusi at 11 and then out at 12 Midnight.

Dont worry, be happy, Maribaya is safe and still full of passion.

Have fun,

Cheers

Surfer

08-31-04, 21:56

Cartero: While Garuda is a bit more expensive, I'd pay the extra for the added sense of having airworthy aircraft. I've flown Merpati (second best), plus Bouraq and a couple others whose names escape me, but you MAY also be able to get a ticket on the foreign carriers plying that route.

Being bule makes you interesting so don't worry about looking like Brad Pitt.

Your question about where to buy crafts is excellent as Java produces beautiful batik, sculpture etc., but I always buy in the kampung not in Jakarta so I cannot tell you where. If you have a few days, consider getting to Central Java (or Bandung) as prices will be lower plus Jakarta is NOT the "real Indonesia" at all.

Jaimito Cartero

08-31-04, 23:21

Actually I'm flying into Bali, and will have to arrange my tickets to Jakarta from there. (24 days or so). I'm thinking of spending 5-7 days in Jakarta. Does this seem reasonable?

Booking in the US, I show an almost $500 RT fare to Jakarta on Garuda. I don't think that's going to happen. If it's reasonable, I'd certainly like to go. I've flown on some pretty questionable aircraft before, so it usually doesn't bother me too much. Everybody has to die sometimes.

Do I need to book these hotels before I go, or do it at the airport, or direct to the hotel? Basically all I need is a comfortable bed, and and quiet room. (A tv with some english channels would be nice, but I can live without). Close to the action is obviously good.

German Man

09-01-04, 20:29

Dear fellows,

I will stay in then Imperial Aryaduta in Karawaci soon and sure will be looking for some action, does anyone have a goot hint?

Thanks in advance!

GM

Bulai69

09-02-04, 06:04

I posted about an new MP between PI and Ascott - well be careful as there is another one also on right hand side as you go from PI to Ascott but you come to it first and you have to go upstairs. Avoid this place ! I went in to have a look and it was dreadful. Even when I saw it I decided I wouldn't stay but out of interest I asked to see a "young, pretty, slim girl" My bahasa is OK (on this subject!) so there was no way they could have misunderstood. God knows what I would have got if I'd asked for an old, ugly fat one!

As I hastily left I was almost knocked over by a rat the size of a small dog which was even keener to get out than I was, had it stayed I would rather have fucked that than the woman they presented to me.

Surfer

09-02-04, 17:47

NEVER buy domestic tickets outside Indonesia (unless you want to waste money). RT on Garuda will be less than $200 (unless there has been RADICAL prices increases in last 2 years) if bought in Bali. Go to Garuda office in Kuta as soon as you arrive in Bali nd get your ticket then.

Ditto for hotel; you'll find PLENTY of vacancies and will get a better rate by showing up and asking (than by prebooking on internet (except for 5 star type places). Asiatravel.com has good rates for upscale hotels if yoiu MUSAT book in advance. High season is just ending right now so vacancies will be on the increase.

John Aldrich

09-02-04, 17:56

The return ticket between Bali to Jakarta is between Rp.900,000 to 1.3 Million depending on the airline. The current exchange rate is 1 USD to @ 9,300. I would suggest to pick up the ticket in Indonesia when you arrive.

Bulai69

09-03-04, 04:13

On the subject of hotels if you get someone with a KITAS card to book you can usually get a lower rate (eg the girl you are staying with!). I do this when outside JKT. I keep a copy of a friend's card and book in her name; this works OK. In JKT I use asia hotels which are excellent.

Someone mentioned website 'dating' recently - I've experimented with this (only when I'm in UK, don't have time when in JKT). Mixed results - in summary I find 2 types of girl - 'genuine, nice' girls looking for relationships/husband. Often virgins who you can't even kiss until you marry them! Other extreme - full time hookers usually at the 'expensive' end of the spectrum. Example: if you look on face-pic there is a girl with the name 'earchilli' - she charges US $400! - not from me I hasten to add

Mangga

09-03-04, 08:58

Bulai69,

On websites, you are right that there is a "spectrum" of girls, ranging from "good girls looking for marriage" through to open pros who demand money upfront. But the point is that they are the extreme ends of the spectrum, they are not the only choices on offer.

In the middle it ranges from seekers of marriage and long term relationships who want some "trial runs" first, through to semi-pros who don't expect an open payment, but expect something out of you besides sexual pleasure. And lots more in subtle grades in between.

The quickest results will be achieved on openly sexually-oriented sites. (Some mongers have asked me the names of the sites - I'm not advertising any particuar site, just do a couple of google searches and you'll find them.)

On these sites, you usually only find girls who are after a fuck, even if some of them may see that as the start of something more, whether in terms of relationship or presents etc. Others are looking only for sex, fun and excitement. A bule is an easy way to get a fuck without that getting tied up in complicated Indonesian family obligations.

One current fucklet of mine often gives ME little presents because we have fun together. She likes our no-strings relationship and she considers that a bule will still treat her with respect even when she fucks outside marriage. She tells me that an Indonesian guy would treat her like a *****. And would probably want to own her or start belting her.

Anyway, it's not for everyone, especially for someone who has only a little time. If you spend long periods here you have the luxury of indulging in the full range of Jakarta delights while pursuing other longer-term adventures on the side. And speaking some Indonesian also helps.

Surfer

09-04-04, 01:11

Not ALL facepic Javanese hos are ripoffs ($400 can BUY you a girl in Java, not just rent one; of course I oppose this version of slavery but it DOES exist). The ones that speak English well are cause for concern, however (used to bule =$$$). Agree with Bulai that whilst in the Big Durian, there are SO many options that the internet will not be high on your list. (:

John Aldrich

09-04-04, 06:24

Surfer,

Yes, you are absolutely right. I was approached by a guy from Indramayu to offer a young cutish girl as my "wife" and I need to pay him USD 300. Alternately, he suggested that I keep her as my all in all live in maid come bed warmer. And the salary I could offer her was Rp.2 Million a month. In case I would have negotiated, maybe I could have got her cheaper. And to think about she being just 19, was a bit tempting. But then my wisdom prevailed and I said no.

Just look at one of my earlier posts regarding a girl, rather a woman, called Nurry. She is all over the place in almost every dating site. She is about 38. And she is just a pile on. A lady with her type of profile would get something like about 100 to 200K for a do. But this woman is a rip off , always looking for expats. For one rendezvous she ensures she rips you off somewhere between 2 to 4 million. And she starts off even before you land in Jakarta.

I guess she would be one of those females who would be available in the bars but is also active on the net and when she hooks a guy on the net, she straight goes for the kill which would normally take about 10 to 15 days in the bar. And that is if she gets a guy every night.

That's why when you approach a female from the net, try and meet her up for a coffee in some plaza. But my experience from the net has been pretty good. I either find good GFE or the girls are straight no no for sex . And as Bulai said , they are only for marriage. I would say my hit rate has been 20% ok for sex in the first meeting, 20% ok for sex after meeting a few times. And the balance want you to meet their parents and relations and start talking marriage. And you try seducing them, they straight away tell you to hang on till the marriage.

The only mishap was Nurry. But my presence of mind made me meet her in the lobby of the hotel and I escaped. I could manage to wriggle out from the deal. Because I found this old woman was there to rip you off. But she was game for the bed, which I was not with her.

Bulai69

09-04-04, 10:09

i agree with john a on hit rate etc for net, also this nurry woman who is a pain in the arse. i've never met her but i've been emailed with a load of bull.

on a brighter note i've just spent an hour in atrium mall (1pm - 2pm. saturday). fairly busy and i positively identified around 12 girls who were definitely up for it but all only 5 or 6 (score!). i did spot one "8" but as i was dithering wondering if she really was up for it some middle aged indonesian guy swooped in and took her! there were at least 20 indo guys looking (easy to spot), mainly around the circular atrium over the play area; they can usually spot the girl before i do i must admit. it's interesting to watch their techniques, they usually dive straight in, ask a few questions and drop them or leave with them ie no messing around with lots of "chat-up lines"

so i didn't bother to get one, but, as i was literally walking out, a very young looking girl walked in and 2 indo guys headed for her but i beat them to it this time! she was amazing. she looked very **** but with huge, i mean huge, knockers. very unusal indeed. nevertheless i asked to see her id and she was 20. it never ceases to amaze me how a 20 year old can look about 10. however because she looked so young (and a bit urchin - like) i didn't take her back to my usual hotel (a first in 10 years) i booked into ibis arcadia which is where i am right now. (just as an aside, this is a perfectly good hotel for the money). the guy on the door produced condoms with amazing speed and efficiency when i gave him 30k and told him to keep the change.

performance was ok but not not brilliant, she asked for 200k which i gave her. certainly could have beaten her down but what the hell - in the context of (less desirable to me) girls asking us$400.00 its a joke. she's worth looking out for, maybe regular at that time/place. doesn't speak any english at all. not suprisingly

all i need to do now is work out how to claim a night in 2 different hotels at the same time.

down to pi now to meet a girl i met last night, hope she doesn't want it too soon.

Aero789

09-04-04, 11:29

Does any one known what action there is in Lippo Karawaci?

As its to far in to town for a quickie. All info wanted.

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Altec Lanse

09-04-04, 13:24

Hello fellow mongers!

Yesterday, a taxi driver told me that there is a pick up joint / bordello just inside the Harco Mangga Dua building, but when I went there earlier today there was nothing except computer & electronics. Do any of you guys happen to know where is it exactly?

Thanks alot!

Zippy

09-04-04, 13:54

Hey Bulai,

I also enjoy the Atrium as an alternative to Plaza Senayan, et al. And the Arcadia is a decent value for the money. If you book it from the airport, you can get a rate of about 325k Rp. per night. What rate did you receive?

Cheers!

Singken Ken

09-04-04, 18:58

Hello everybody,

After two months traveling in Indonesia here is my report (sorry for my english).

All commentaries are under my point of view.

I meet a really good girl (GFE) in www.face-pic.com so I din't got too much time for wander around.

I'll come to the point.

Following the advice of John Aldrich I stay first at Menteng I. 145000 per night with discount, good service, no problem with girls but if you wanna sleep don't stay in the building where the reception is (at the basement is Hotmen Disco) choose a room in the building at the right side, is more noiseless.

Hotel Menteng II is little bit better and price 170000

If you only wanna fuck, the faster and beter way is go to Tiara Ceria. Now is easy to find, there are a wooden staircase at the left hand of Lokasari Plaza.

Open from 15:00 till late. Price 200000 one hour (BBBJ, CIM,FS) good girls, good service but bad music.

The massage parlour in Hotel Melawai is similar to Tiara Ceria but the price is 300000.

Disco Tiga Kuda in Menteng II, the ratio girls-men is no good and full of arabians.

Disco Lintas Melawai is small but you enter, you choose and you take.

If you speak some indonesian you can get girls in almost any place in Jakarta, don't talk about money and in the mornig give her 300000 for taxi, I think is the maximun you have to pay.

Reports of Jogyakarta and Bali will be in the correspondent forum.
If there are any question please send me a PM.

Greetings from Barcelona to bulai69.

David

Bulai69

09-05-04, 06:07

Zippy, Yes Arcadia is good if you're on a tight budget. It's not worth going lower, after all it's only 17.00 pounds sterling. So you could have all night with a decent girl for 30 pounds sterling no problem. I think it's cheaper to turn up an negotiate with the front desk but not by much. I paid 300k after a half hearted negotiation on my part (also given who I was with they knew I would not walk out !)

I was in 30 bar last night (Saturday), fairly OK but not brilliant. I was with a girl and friends so not able to get a new one. Any new comers should watch out for lady boys in here. Regulars will know "Becky" I'm sure, who is very "in your face" and you can tell he is what he is but his/her friend (whose name I can't remember) looks a real stunner after you've had a couple of drinks !

Zippy

09-05-04, 09:41

Hey Bulai,

I checked out 30 bar last night also. I was there for about an hour after walking out of BATS in disgust. I'll never again hit BATS on a saturday night! There were easily more bule guys than Indo. women in BATS and the wanitas there were either mediocre or if they were hot, were virtually surrounded by bule men.

30 bar was better, but as you mentioned, just ok. The singer in the band is HORRIBLE, though. When he was singing, "It's My Life" by Bon Jovi, I was outright laughing since he couldn't hit the high notes! He should let the black chick sing that song. Yes, I did notice at least one lady boy there last night and thankfully, he was easy to spot since he looked like a dude with a wig on.

I went to Millenium afterward and as usual, the best looking wanitas (IMHO) in Jakarta are always there. They tend to be younger (18-24), many are Chinese-Indo., and most speak no English. But there are some real lookers there! If you can handle the fact that most of them are wasted on X, it's a goldmine...

Karand

09-05-04, 09:49

Adding my Seribu Rupiah worth of knowledge here.

Last trip into Indonesia met up with a girl whom I had met in mIRC chatroom. she immediately asked to shift to Yahoo! messenger so we could get to "know" each other better. One net meeting led to another and so forth. Fifth meeting, she asked me to call her which I did. next meeting on she was more "open" (pun intended) about our "meeting". She agreed to "meating" or "mating".

Now, 4 days left for getting into Jakarta. she made a few demands. and I quote "MY FRIENDS say guys coming into Indonesia can treat you "very well", unquote. I agreed. Sure, she'll be staying at my hotel, eating cafes and above the run of the mill places, shopping. but she wanted more. kinda like an assurance. I was curious enough to ask "what". And her list astounded me. saya mau HP (I want a handphone) and you can transfer 500$ to my account. I asked "is that it? " and she hastily added that other than the HP and cash, I could get her all that I wanted.

Hell yeah! Sure.

Landed in Jakarta, didnt bother calling her. She called my roaming phone a number of times and finally I "melted" at her sincerety. Had a rendezvous with another friend and I had got a nice set of lingerie for her, which, she insisted - myst be kept in my hotel wardrobe as she planned to return for a second.

Anyways, lady ONE gets in to the hotel for breakfast (made sure I didnt have to spend more than an hour with her). I "appened" to accidentally open the wardrobe and she had a good look at the lingerie. she inquired about her HP and cash. I tried getting comfy with her, but she kinda shrugged me off.

I suggested we head off for breakfast as I had an appointment later. She swallowed the food with much misery. Dropped her off to her place and said bye.

Later in the day got an e-mail from her stating how she felt CHEATED, how she was considering taking up the vacant position of my gf - of course, the HP and money would be an assurance for her of my sincereity AND sex was a definite NO-NO till we got married.

For the first time in my life - have I given such a rude reply - payment for sex, in cash &/OR kind deems the female as a WTS (hooker).

She vowed, never to keep in touch with me.

A week back, her e-mails have restarted. she's missing me.

Indonesia never ceases to amaze me.

Cheers!

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Poobah

09-05-04, 19:05

What area is Millenium in? Kota?

MarkIII

09-06-04, 12:07

Millenium = Mangga besar

I am cruising mangga besar for a few nights now and there are not many girls on the streets any more (police is taking them it seems).

Today country - also visited, I am still deaf now, seems to be a stripease there monday and friday, but some good looking girls, parking is in front of the door ;-) (adress: lokasari floor 2)

Cheers,

MarkIII

Zippy

09-06-04, 16:38

Yes, Millenium is not too far from the Stadium...

Karand

09-06-04, 19:57

Speaking of hotels for a change, I've found better rates with KAHA Travels. They have a kiosk at Gambir Station just at the exit point.

Booked Golden In Gn. Sahari once for 275000 incl breakfast from the airport, stayed a day in Jkt n then headed to Solo. On my way back checked out Kaha rates, woof! 15% cheaper.

And I was thinking I got a good deal at the airport!

Surfer

09-07-04, 02:24

Poobah: Right on Hayyam Wuruk across the street and up a few hundred meters from Hotel Mercure.

Zippy: You are the luckiest guy; after vacationing in paradise you return home to Shangri La. Add to that first pick in the draft and I'd say your karmic account overfloweth.

Zero

09-07-04, 05:07

Hi guys,
Here are my report regarding my trip to Sumo HC in Kelapa Gading.
Last Friday, at last I can make time during my business trip to Jakarta.
I been meaning to visit this place for quite sometime and finally I can
fulfill my curiosity.
Basically, the place is a well-maintained, over the top health facility
with a godzilla size price that left a hole as big as a..sumo ass..on your wallet
(sorry cant find a better word, I'm bad at these thing)
Anyway, arrived at 7:30 pm and the place was lively and upbeat.
Not too crowded that you barely see the girl but not too little
that left you like a grave yard digger.
My guess the men and girls ratio about 1:10, there were about 150 girls at least
(don't hold me for this number either I'm bad at numbers too)
First you go to the reception to get your locker number which also serve as
your credit card for all the service in the facility. All the staffs are nice, friendly and helpful
Then you go to the locker room to change into a tiny kimono if you want, before
cleaning yourself and take dip in hot and cold pool or sauna and steam room.
But I am in no mood to clean myself, so I lead myself to the 2nd floor right away.
1st you'll see another receptionist with many girls photo, they are all Indonesian.
My guess, these are the girls that provide real massage.
turn left and you'll see a relax room with many girl or like me go ahead to the restaurant
which side by side with the theatre room. from what I saw nobody in the restaurant were
eating, it was basically just another room with a lot of girls, mainly the PRC girl.
The restaurant were crowded and quite intimidating because sooo many girls who try
to make an eye contact with you, so I opt to go to the theatre.
I sat myself in the Lazy boy type of sofa, I order some hot tea
and try to enjoy myself looking at many other fellow monger doing their stuff.
In these 2 areas you would see many escort girls which divided into PRC and Uzbeks
While I tried to look for the Uzbek girls that I looking for, suddenly 1 young Chinese girl
approach me. She is quite a lookers with very nice revealing dress, but was not on my 1st plan.
But since I was there for the 1st time, I didn't know how to reject these lovely girl.
Beside, I didn't want to make a scene that would lead to my ejection from this club.
To my surprise, she didn't speak any English nor bahasa, so there I was trying to speak to
her in my very limited mandarin. Even more surprise, the mama-san also from PRC.
So my take on this, this HC is gearing toward wealthy Chinese-Indonesian market.
To cut short, I manage to know that her service would be 1.5 million rups.
I heard from my colleague that the price is already lower to 1.1 mil, well maybe next time
I nego the price ( JAD is negotiation of price is allowed?)
Anyway, went to the 3rd floor, room was nice and clean, take shower and do the deed.
The service was very nice, bbbj, AR, 69 all in a very GFE, I rate the service 9 out of 10.
(sorry has to cut short on this part otherwise it would takes days to type)
In conclusion, Sumo is a nice place to get pampered, it makes you feel like a king.
The facility and staff's service was excellent. However, it come with a hefty price tag in my opinion.
Even in Singapore I can get a lower price for these girls.
Do go to this place if you have money to blow ( my total damage was 1.5 mil for the service
200K for tip + 100K for mamasan + 35K for the bloody tea)
don't go to this place if you just want to "release"
Hope you enjoy my report!
Cheers

Bulai69

09-07-04, 21:10

Zippy - now I'm wondering which was you in 30...Only really good (available) girl I saw in 30 all week was one I managed to get hold of on Friday and she stayed with me 3 out of 6 nights. VERY rare event for me. Did you see her? Some more in photo section representing some of my other activities last week.

Surfer

09-07-04, 22:10

Bulai: Sangat cantik Orang! Bagus bagus.

Zippy

09-08-04, 15:22

Bulai,

No, I didn't see that wanita although I wish I would have! Cantik sekali! Saya mau dia...

Bulai69

09-08-04, 23:11

Zippy - you're point about the lady boy - it certainly was "Becky" from your description. But what worries me is the you didn't positively id the other one !! Maybe like most people you assumed he was a girl which I must admit is an easy mistake. By the way, you didn't say who you left with ...!

Zero

09-09-04, 11:27

Another stupid bomb......pity
anyway be safe out there guys!

XXL

09-09-04, 13:20

Millenium

Millenium is at Hayam Wuruk, not Mangga Besar. It's attached to the Gajah Mada shopping Mall. Direction for the taxi: "Gajah Mada, Millenium".

The girls used to wait at night along Hayam Wuruk between Mercury hotel and the conspicuous building that looks like a windmill. I heard they were forbidden to stay that far down and were pushed back towards downtown (Jakarta Pusat). Most probably, the discos in that area (Stadium, 1001) complained about the competition from street girls and bribed the police to chase them away. Anyway, whenever there's a police raid on this side of Hayam Wuruk, many girls now cross over to the other side and stay half-hidden behind the small newsstands. Crossing over has probably been made easier by the new footbridges over the canal which weren't there one year ago.

XXL

Menteng

09-09-04, 19:39

Mind you, the maker of the bombs that were used in Bali, was in Jakarta earlier this week. Having a cup of coffee (sic!) in one of our main hunting grounds: Plaza Indonesia and the new thing next to it!!!!

Cat Scratch

09-10-04, 03:31

I was a survivor of the Marriott bombing. (I was about 20 metres from the blast, but a concrete floor and a pillar saved my arse - along with other useful body parts). There was an upside to al this, my bags and passport where in my room and it had its windows blown in. The police were searching for bomb and body parts so my room was a closed off crime scene. The Marriott put me up at the Gran Melia and I had to spend the rest of the week waiting for accessto my belongings drowning my sorrows in litres of Gin and Bintang and the pussies of Indonesian angels.

All jokes aside I have to say I just broke out in a cold sweat when I heard about the Aussie embassy.

My only words of wisdom - "when your times up its up", and oh....fuck all terrorsists.

Bulai69

09-10-04, 09:25

Menteng - your right, I was in Starbucks PI where he went that day but never saw him. There was considerable criticism of the police for this bizzarre conduct. (For those who don't know, Jakarta police took one of the Bali bombers out of prison and into Starbucks last week for "questioning" !! He was not handcuffed or anything) Maybe this was a variation on the "good cop, bad cop" approach. Clearly whatever info they got didn't include yesterdays events.

Zippy

09-10-04, 13:17

Bulai- I didn't leave with anyone that night at 30 Bar. There was noone to my liking who was still single. As I said in an earlier post, I checked out Millenium afterward which I believe, hands down, has the best looking wanitas in Jakarta- much better than the supposed "chic" discos (i.e., Embassy, Blowfish, Retro, Club Monaco, et al.).

Bulai69

09-10-04, 15:41

Zippy - what you say is interesting because I very rarely get to Embassy, Blowfish, Retro, Club Monaco, etc and some I've never been to, though of course I am aware of them. My perception is that many girls in these places aspire to be models and film stars (an aspiration which they are as likely to realise as I would be).
This puts the price up, directly or indirectly. As always, the same girls can be found elsewhere at 20% of the price. When I say price I don't mean only "cash" price for hookers I mean what amateurs expect when you buy them presents ie if it's not "original" Prada or whatever they are not interested.

Bulai69

09-10-04, 19:53

Guys - sorry to all the (30 plus !) who PM'd me about my "Ma" sequence but I don't have any way of contacting this girl directly. She's great in every way but there are plenty of others you can find no problem.

Tamurlane26

09-11-04, 04:10

Jakarta 11/9

Firstly a note to express the outrage am sure we all feel at recent events here - an outrage felt by the majority of Indonesians also. That such a tragedy should once again befall this proud nation is sadness but also indicative of the times we live in.

On that point we can either retreat to our ghettoes or refuse to be cowed by the lunatic fringe.

So it is business as usual in Jakarta and glad to report that the flowers are still out and about much to my delight as I sit here penning this report from PS Starbucks.

To borrow the words from Cat Scratch - "when your times up its up - but in the mean time enjoy the world smell the coffee and grab what you can !!

Jaimito Cartero

09-13-04, 05:17

It's sad that Indonesia is having these probelms. I guess the bombing happened around the time I was leaving the states. I first heard about from another airline passenger on the way to Guam.

I will probably still hit Jakarta as long as things seem sedate. I'm sure I'm in more danger walking the street or in a taxi than I am of being in danger from terrorism.

Pussy Engineer

09-14-04, 07:36

Gentlemen,

Not to make light of this situation, but the only indonesian warheads that warrant our attention are the type that are attached in this picture.

DO NOT stop visiting Jakarta because of this bomb. That just means the terrorists win. Think of all the indonesian pussies that need to be shagged senseless :).

All the best, and RIP to the victims and condolences to those injured.

Alifulani

09-14-04, 17:12

Spent another great couple of days in Jakarta and visited my typical haunts. I am lazy. Bulai69 tells me I need to set my goals higher and try to hunt for higher quality women. I say to myself, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and I go back to the places where if you have one "Y" chromosome, then all you have to do is limp, crwl or drag yourslef there and you will still get all the pussy you want. Why make things difficult for myself.

On another note, I think the mall wandering in the orginal Plaza Indonesia is less fruitful since the opening of the "X"tension with all the entertainment and restarurants. I will have to investigate further on my next trip.

I stayed close to PI at an efficiency apartment. Every day I would see this piece of furniture in the room which in the USA is normally referred to as a "home entertainment center". It got me thinking.

alifulani

Alifulani

09-14-04, 17:15

Following along the train of thought of "home entertainment" there is of course the Jakarta style.

alifulani

Pussy Engineer

09-15-04, 05:46

Alifulani - stop teasing mate. Show us more. :)

Bulai69

09-15-04, 16:23

Alifulani - if its not broken don't mend it; there is nothing wrong with sticking with something which works especially if time is a constraint. The girl you got looks great (as much as we can see) certainly a fantastic body, just what I look for. I've posted on the eX mall a few times but I've never seen any other reports on successes in there. I think adventure does pay dividends though as you can find a different type of girl - eg in Atrium rather than PI or PS. If you follow the guidance in here there is very little chance of not scoring

Surfer

09-15-04, 18:44

Alifulani: Pretty girl, soso quality photo. Do show more if possible.

And to the guy who posted the "warheads" how about showing them OUT of their silos! Payudada Besar!

Alifulani

09-15-04, 18:54

PEngineer,

Sorry, but that is all I could coax (picture wise) out of her. I am sure you have heard plenty of times, "sorry, I am sigh".

Bulai69,

The face of an angel goes along with that body. I may surf the underbelly of Jakarta, but I still keep my standards.

The PI eXtension seems to be a teenie-bopper playground. I may have to check out PS again on my next trip.

Alifulani

FoxesHunter

09-15-04, 20:00

I like to find no prostiture girls.

Hi, I'd like to know what is the best place in Jakarta to look for
no prostitute girls.
thanks

God of Gamblers

09-16-04, 00:16

I checked out Crown Health Club in Glodok Plaza (5th floor) on the weekend. It is a dream come true for some. It is a bit pricey, though. The Chinese know how to do things: everything is five star and each room has a jacuzzi and shower. I took the cheapest room (Rp300,000) which is called VIP but they also have VIP+ and VIP++.

There are 60 girls on call but you cannot see them before going in. However, you can, to the giggling delight of the reception girls, describe what you want (yg montok, banyak pengalaman, papaya gede, etc).

You can get two girls if you wish. The one I had was proficient and gave full service, not bartering, which I like. She simply asked me not to forget to tip, which of course I did generously.

I chatted with the mamisan for a while (who had serious silicon injections in her face... what is that about?) and she offered me Chinese girls for Rp1.5m. I was reticent as they often try and pawn off Sumatra Chinese girls on you who pretend to be Chinese and not understand Indonesian. I like the local products too though he he.

I walked back into the throng of shoppers with a self-satisfied grin on my face, a new man.

Alifulani

09-16-04, 16:39

Surfer,

I agree that the picture quality has room for improvement. That is the best under those conditions with a hand phone camera. They tend to have lower resolutions. If anyone has suggestions on getting the maximum quality out of hand phone cameras, I am a willing student.

I posted a better picture in the Makati (Philippines) section on 9-14-04 with the title "reclining". The outcome was pretty good with a soft focus touch and intersting lighting. The model is not too bad either.

Alifulani

Wandering Brit

09-16-04, 18:16

Hi Everyone!

First of all, thanks for making this such a great site. From my own time in JKT I can confirm that what's written here is accurate and reliable.

I recently saw a recommendation for the Atlet Century Park Hotel. I fully agree. A fraction of the price of the international brand names but every bit as good and a great location overlooking the sports fields. Girl-friendly too.

I'm going to be back in Jakarta for a few days from 20 October. Anyone who's going to be around and wants to meet up for a beer, and maybe some other diversions too, feel free to PM me and we can try to arrange something.

Keep up the good work!

WB

Dorman

09-17-04, 02:31

I should really post this in the Bali section but its been a bit quiet in there so I thought I'd pose my query here. While on a visit to Bali recently I noticed some thing odd. On my first night in Santa Fe I saw a girl about 27 with quite a good figure and what would have been a pretty face but for the fact that it was marred by a truly repulsive nose. It was swollen, lumpy and pitted with purple blotches. I didn't give it much more thought until I visited Hard Rock the following night and there was another pretty girl about 23 with exactly the same nose.

These noses resembled my uncle Paddy's nose when he died last year. The thing is ol' Paddy was 94 when he passed away, having been a fairly useful boxer in his time, he also smoked forty untipped cigarettes and drank a bottle of navy rum pretty much every day for the previous eighty years!

So whats's the score, is this just a coincidence or is there some nasty disease afflicting the chicken of Bali? I think we need to know.

Key Master

09-17-04, 07:16

Wandering Brit,

I don't know if you know, but I believe you are heading to Jakarta during Ramadan. I am not sure what the nightlife scene is during Ramadan if that is the case. Maybe some of the vets can share their views on the nightlife during Ramadan.

LuvumBare

09-17-04, 09:43

A knock on my hotel room at 1300 was the arrival of Pina. Thanks to a couple of local mongers I was able to arrange for a very nice afternoon interlude between meetings.

Although Pina was advertized as shaved, she was a fairly bushy young thing. Spinner quality, slight B cups that were very, very sensitive.

After a cold drink and attempted conversations - she had about 8 words of English - we commenced the main event. She has a very sweet mouth and both gives good head and really enjoys receiving the same. It took a lot of self control not to provide her with a mouthful of protein but I managed to exert the necessary control and let her mount up CG.

Tight is an understatment. I don't know who she has been doing, but she had a hard time accepting my rigid offering. As many girls will tell you - I ain't anything special. She finally managed insertion and then the real ride began. She really seemed to be enjoying it. You can tell when they fake and she was not faking. We did some CG and the went to reverse CG. This quickly led to doggie. As I began to feel a finish on the way, she reached back and made me slow up. I have no idea what she was saying but she was quite vocal in a very happy way. She slowed down the action and flipped to mish. As soon as she was settled, I felt a tight leg wrap and away we went. Either she is an expert actress or we managed to cum at the same time. Not something that is usual.

After showers, we spent the next couple of hours curled up on the bed watching some Tv and playing with each others interesting parts. At my age, MSOG is something that happens in 12 hours not 2. I gave her another dose of DATY and sent her on her merry way.

Thanks to you local guys who helped set this up. JKT is great.

'bare

Zero

09-17-04, 14:49

dorman, dorman, dorman my man
look beyong the nose man! how is their arse? :)
just my 2 cent, don't butchered me, peace!

Dinghy

09-17-04, 17:02

Dorman - sounds like "rosea" (same thing WC Fields had - not a "disease" per se - it's a "condition")

Bulai69

09-17-04, 20:46

Key Master - the action in Ramadhan is certainly less than at other times; some places close and others such as the big hotel bars (eg BATS, 30Bar, CJ's) close earlier eg 12.00 instead of 2 or 3am. However, practically, it makes very little difference to finding what you want. Action in malls during the day is unaffected and if you can't find a girl before midnight in Jakarta you'll never find one !

Bulai69

09-17-04, 20:56

Alifulani - now I am even more envious. eX is worth a look. There are some good sales girls there. Last time one tried to sell me a new hand phone (Motorola stand). There was a special offer of 2 free tickets to the new cinema for "me and my wife" she said. Perfect offer for me to use my usual "saya belum kawin" line which I always use with the perfume sellers. After the usual repartee she agreed to come to the cinema with me that night and no problem at all, back to my hotel. Have a look on the Motorola stand - but of course it will be the same on most of the others.

Wandering Brit

09-18-04, 04:56

Key Master,

Thanks for pointing out that Ramadan is coming soon - starts 15 October this year. I was in JKT during Ramadan a few years back and noticed little difference to the nightlife. The breaking of the fast at sunset is quite an experience and there are some wonderful things to eat. If you have a friend stay overnight she may want to get up early to have breakfast before sunrise.

I think you should always show respect for other's beliefs. I dislike seeing drunken westerners in the street at any time, but during Ramadan I think it is specially offensive. But what goes on in private is up to the individuals concerned.

While on the subject of impending holidays, Idul Fitri at the end of Ramadan starts on 14 November. Everyone disappears off home to be with family and I'm told travel becomes virtually impossible as the entire population heads out of JKT creating the greatest traffic jam of all time.

WB

Alifulani

09-18-04, 13:26

Bulai69,

There is no reason for you to be envious. You are still the "master" and the majority of us are but simple "students" at your feet. You have, and continue to amaze us by your depth of knowledge in the field.

I saw the hand phone shops in the PI "X". However, I was "accompanied" at the time and could not "revert to monger mode". Perhaps next time ?

Alifulani

Bulai69

09-18-04, 21:00

alifulani - you are too kind! Can I suggest the following when you are "accompanied". Have a few pieces of paper with your name and phone number and/or hotel room and then if you get positive signals from an SPG when you are "shopping" just discretely give her your number. I find it works well, especially if you are buying because the SPG will think she can get some of your money too. Which of course she can. Anyone not familiar with Jakarta will think only Tom Cruise could get away with this - but almost any bule in Jakarta IS Tom Cruise to these girls. This works in night clubs too but I did get "caught" once in JJ's when the stupid girl I gave the number went over and told the girl I was with! Great to have girls fighting over you though isn't it?!

God of Gamblers

09-20-04, 12:25

By the way, if anyone has the contact details of any top heavy Javanese girs, feel free to PM me. I'll be in J-town until the start of the festive season. Good to accumulate some numbers before the holidays start.

Thanks in advance.

Bulai69

09-20-04, 20:07

God of Gamblers - have a look back at my post about the girl I found in Atrium - post was about 4 September I think

Tonsil Basher

09-21-04, 14:44

Where's Chalky26? I thought he had a 3-night romp in Jakarta the weekend before last!

Red China Boy

09-22-04, 14:13

Will be in Jakarta next month and can't decide whether to stay at the Meridian or Gran Melia. I fancy nice recreational facilities but would like to have action close by also.

Anyone give me the pros and cons of both places?

If I book in as a single will there be any trouble bringing a guest back?
Any other hotels under the 90 dollar a night range recommended?

Cheers

Jaimito Cartero

09-23-04, 07:23

arrived in jakarta yesterday afternoon. had my list that jad had sent me on good hotels. i was aiming for the atlet century after a few comments on here.

first travel desk i went to had a confusing price list. there were rupiah prices and dollars, and then 3 classes of rooms and three different categories. pretty confusing to sort out. i hardly ever get up early enough to eat breakfast, so i usually get a room without.

they had the atlet listed for 335k, so i thought that a good deal. no dice, that's the indo price, he said. it didn't say that on the price list anywhere. there's also special pricing for middle east and africa, and the worst pricing (only in dollars) for "others".

there is one thing that really pisses me off, and that's "gringo" pricing. whether it's a girl, or a hotel, i don't think it plays in a market economy. i would be against it if an indonesian came to my country as well, let everyone pay the same price for the same "goods" in the same location.

i went and checked out the other place (indo something, big orange desk). no one was staffing it, but he finally came as i was looking at the lists.

at least in this booth they had the pricing very clear (domestic and foreign), so no confusion. the atlet wanted $48 us a night. i took one of the other hotels (aston atrium), as they priced the same for domestic, foreign, single or double occupancy, with breakfast. 340k a night.

the guy tried to sell me a ride to the hotel. i have no idea what's normal here, but 120k sounded high. he then said he had a friend for 110k, we settled on 100k.

everyone seems friendly here so far. it's rather like being a stranger in a strange land (you grok?), as there aren't many white dudes in this particular area. however, i feel safe, and have had a good experience so far. i have a few cards with my room number written on it prepared in case i make special eye contact. i'm not counting on it though!

i should be going out with jad tonight, so we'll see how that goes.

as others have mentioned, the atrium seems to cater mostly to middle eastern and other asians. the room i'm in must have been very nice about 5 years ago. nice marble, king sized bed, down pillows and comforters. seperate shower and bath. couch, minibar, desk. it doesn't seem like it's been kept up though. big scrape marks on the walls, cigarette burns on the carpet, wallpaper peeling a tad. still seems nice overall.

i'm exploring at the atrium mall now. i think i need to brush up on my bahasa if i'm going to have any chance of a normal girl.

Bulai69

09-23-04, 10:33

J C, good luck in Atrium Mall, bahasa Indo helps in there (it's much less necesary in PI and PS) but you could get by without. The usual process is taking them for something to eat (makan) and then asking them back to your hotel (hotel). So those two words should do it! In fact you could skip the eating leaving you with a vocabulary requirement which is not too onerous.

Surfer

09-23-04, 20:11

Bare: Regardless of age, Vitamin V should cut your refractory period from hours to minutes (:

Bule pricing is not unique to Indonesia at all; it USED to bother me but you can't change it so just deeal with it. Knowing some Bahasa can often get you an inbetween rate.

Bulai69

09-23-04, 21:36

Just to add to on-going hotel rate debate, as I've reported before, you can "officially" get a local rate if you can quote a KTP number (ID card number). You can use the number of your "girlfriend" if you turn up at a hotel with one. Or you can just get a copy of her card and use it repeatedly, I always keep one. The holder of the KTP card does not have to pay the bill (obviously!)

Jaimito Cartero

09-24-04, 08:49

Thanks for the info. I picked up a small dictionary today, so maybe that will help. I'm going to be late to meet JAD, so off I must go! Saw lots of good places last night. (I think I liked the girls at Stadium the most.)

Bulai69

09-24-04, 09:27

JC - if you are buying a dictionary you might get greater value from "Making out in Indonesian" (I think that's the title, I don't actually have it myself) Most of the girls you meet will speak slang and it will help you to know it. A simple example is the many words for "you" and "I". It gets worse if they are sending you text messages! This can be very confusing. Also you may want to say things that you won't find in a proper dictionary or tourist phrase book !

Jaimito Cartero

09-25-04, 07:31

Well I've been a busy boy the last couple of days in Jakarta. JAD called me Thursday afternoon and confirmed our time for the evening. He showed up promptly, and we discussed what I'd like to see.

I'm a value monger, and not interested in the 1,000,000 girls or expensive Karoke clubs. I'm interested in mall girls, and cute, experienced girls too, with a good GFE type attitude.

We took somewhat of a whirlwind type tour. Saw a nice small fishbowl type massage/fuck place for 200k. Then saw Kartika and Berlian.

I pulled a decent looking girl from Kartika. The soapy massage was quick, but nice. This isn't the 90 minute type I've gotten in Thailand, but it's 1/3 the price too. I think the girls name was Sinti, nice body, killer BBBJ.

They have a very large selection (50 girls?), and most are friendly and so forth. You get a bottle of cool water as you walk up the stairs to your room. They have a plastic or naugahyde mattress that the girl soaps up for you. No funky air mattress like I've had in BKK.

She totally lathers you up, and then grinds her whole body into you. She had nice "B" sized tits, and used those, her pussy and ass to give a very energetic and skilled body massage.

She was doing some excellent deep throat, so I let her finish up with that. Why ruin a good thing? The only down side was she gargled for like 10 minutes with Listerine before and after, and then would hack a loogie that sounded it weighed a pound.

Price 200k, she asked for tip (which I guess I wasn't expecting to be asked for), so I gave her another 20k.

The one thing JAD is very good at is giving you all the correct amounts of stuff. This alone will save you money, so you don't end up over paying.

After this, we went around the corner to Stadium. Now after going up, I *really* wished I had saved some seed for this place. I saw the 3rd and 4th floors, but really had a lot of fun on the 3rd. I have this effect on girls, either they love me, or I scare the hell out of them. I had a couple of "rabbits" that would run as soon as I looked at them. I did my normal goofy clowning around stuff with them, and a few wanted pictures with me too.

Some of the Mamasans seemed to have a sense of humor, others seemed uptight. I'd say that many of these girls rate at least a 7.5-9 on a beauty scale. Certainly nicer looking that what I saw in Bali.

I stayed there for about an hour talking to some of the girls, and having fun in general. I never even got into the club part, just the hall. There are a LOT of girls here. The rooms look nice and the 220k price seems quite reasonable for the girls you get. I will definitely be going back before I leave.

We also went to TC, Bingtang Mewur, 1001, and a lot of places that I've probably forgotten. Since most of my experiences before have been with Thai girls, that's all I can compare them too. So far beauty wise, there is a big difference to me. I'd say that the average girl in the clubs here are nicer than the corresponding girls in Thailand. Not sure if they just get nicer girls or if it's more an Indonsian characteristic.

Jaimito Cartero

09-25-04, 07:44

I'm very impressed with the "scene" in Jakarta so far. I've found the food very good. JAD took me to a normal Chinese restaurant the other night, and we had some good duck plus prawn w/mayonaise. I'd seen the latter on menus before, but always thought is sounded gross. No longer, really great large prawns.

I had duck with spicy black pepper sauce. The total bill was only 70k, with drinks and stuff too.

While there aren't too many white people around, almost everyone is quite friendly. Guys say hi to me, shop girls smile at me, and I haven't really encountered any negative attitudes yet at all. I was expecting to have some hostility here, but quite the opposite. Just walking through the mall just amazes me with all the possible conquests there.

Things are dirt cheap (to me, and American). Hair cuts $1 or $1.25 in a mall. Food court meal for $1-$2. Taxi's very cheap too. We rode around in one for 45-60 minutes, and had the guy wait for us at places, and I think it was only 18k. Amazing.

Bad things:

It is polluted. Especially if you're in a small road with lots of buses, it does get bad. Traffic will drive you crazy. However, all of these things are not that much different than Bangkok.

Some amount of begging. I ran into one kid that followed me about 50 yards before he finally gave up. Most aren't too aggressive however. I had only seen one person in Bali asking for money, but I guess where there is poverty...

I had booked 4 nights at the Atrium and will probably book another 4 or 5 nights near Plaza Indonesia.

I would definitely recommend JAD's tour. He not only took me for 4 or more hours the first night, but also picked me up last night to check out some malls and other places that I had missed, and didn't ask for anything.

If you're an expert on Jakarta, you won't need the tour, but all the pricing, details and info you get save you days of hunting around.

I got my first freelance girl at CJ's last night. I'll report on that later, as my poor little fingers are worn out.

Red China Boy

09-25-04, 10:50

I'll be coming to Jakarta next month. Would like a hotel with nice recreational facilities and be close to the action.

Can anyone give me the pros and cons of le meridien and Gran Melia?

Any problems with guests if I book in as a single?

Thanks

Bulai69

09-26-04, 19:51

Red China Boy - definitely go for Le Meridien. You will get good rates at asia-hotels. No problem getting girls in. In terms of action you only have to go downstairs to 30bar (Tiga Puluh Bar) - then the girls are in already! You will be 5 minutes by taxi to Plaza Indonesia, 20 minutes to Senayan for day time mall hunting

Tamurlane26

09-27-04, 02:41

absence makes the heart grow fonder

disappointed at my inability to be elevated to the peerage and hence to senior member status i have been licking my wounds in a distant land !!

anyway that would be another time and another place - the last trip to jakarta was amusing as was caught out by the infamous phone dialling home when having lunch with a new flame - needless to say this did not prevent me taking her back to the hotel and having a nice romp in the afternoon on the pretext that i was in a meeting.

then to add to the fun when stepping out of the lift my contact was standing in front of me and in my haste to go in seperate directions overheard me asking her to leave her "jangan tutup hp"

such are the joys of life on the road.

needless to say - and photos to follow - she was a lithe little thing and extremely loving and came back for more and more - particularly nice to wake up next to in the morning and a performance worthy of note.

the next night i stepped into cj's fancing some variety in my diet and this is where the fun stopped. alas gentlemen the comments of my earnest scribe tonsil basher may be correct -

Tamurlane26

09-27-04, 02:43

Tamurlane26

09-27-04, 02:46

Red China Boy,

Would also recommend the Century Park Atlet - as it is 5 minutes from CJ's and walking distance from Senayan Plaza. If you are cheeky you say you are with Siemens and get a rate of RM 150 which is approx USD 45 and this for a large room - and no hassles from security.

It all depends on budget and what ladies you wish to attract - some are very funny and prefer the larger hotels as they mistakenly think this means you will give them more !! LOL

Anyway all hotels are within striking distance and the main aim is to enjoy!

Lustforthrust

09-27-04, 04:18

Whats the nearest BBS or take-out to the Madarin Oriental at Jalan M.H. Thamrin, Jakarta 10310? I have RTFF but can't really relate to the hotspots in this huge City.

Thanks

Jaimito Cartero

09-27-04, 05:46

I went to Hotel Mulia with JAD on Friday night. We went to CJ's, and went through all the wanding and metal detecting. One thing I'd say, this hotel is pretty serious about security. All of other hotels are only cursory searches, but from searching the taxi and yourself, they're not screwing around.

It was quite loud and crowded. You order and pay for your first drink before you go in the club. Water is 40k, juice is 55k, I think beers are 50-75k.

It was quite loud and crowded. Pretty hard to even walk through the place, and no empty seat to be found. Finally after standing around for 15 minutes, finally took over an abandoned seat.

There were a lot of really good looking women here. I was a bit doubtful that most of the girls were available. JAD, however said that at least 90% are. I had a number of average looking girls come and rub up against me, but nothing that struck my fancy. I'm a bit of a watcher, so I will sit and watch, drink and see the prospects. Maybe for 30 minutes, maybe for 2 hours.

I was starting to get tired though, and thought I'd pull something interesting. JAD mentioned that 300-400k was the price you guys have reported paying, for all night. I found a pretty friendly girl, with slightly above average looks (6.5) and just started to talk to her a bit. Her name was Annie, 25yo. I just asked her if she wanted to go to my hotel, she said yes, and off we went.

JAD dropped us off at the hotel, and up we went. We hadn't discussed any pricing, this seems to be normal about 1/2 the time.

Annie was very friendly and talkative when we got to the room. We undressed and just sat on the bed with doing some smalltalk. Her english was moderate.

We started in on it, and everything was great except that she not into BBBJs much. She'll work on it for a minute or two, but that's it. She had a nice pussy, so I dove in and went to town.

During the DATY, her SMS went off, with a friend from the club. She wanted to know if it was okay to leave after we were done, since her friend was leaving. I wasn't very enthusiastic, so she dropped it.

Later, we got to the best part, and she went at me cowgirl style. She was pretty passionate, and the best intercourse in Indonesia so far.

After we were cleaning up, her friend called again, but she didn't even try to leave. We woke up in the morning and then went to the breakfast buffet downstairs.

I was going to send her off at that point, but she wanted to go back to the room for some more action, so I couldn't turn that down.

After a near repeat of the evening before, she was ready to go. I handed her 400k, and she made a little face and asked for 100k more. I just told her that it was fair, and she said okay.

This girl must either have some boyfriends or work a hell of a lot. She had just gotten back from Bali the day before, and had lost her cell phone in a cab there. She bought a new one that she said cost 4,700,000. Played MP3's, huge screen, camera everything.

I liked CJ's a fair amount. Decent music, rather loud of course. I went back last night by myself. I went after midnight to avoid some of the traffic.

Again, almost as crowded. Lots of friendly girls. I saw a few that I'd like to know better. I approached one, and we danced for a bit. When I asked her back to the hotel, she asked for 800k. I told her this was too much, and that 300-400k was more like it. No dice. I went off and eyed a few others, but nothing struck me.

I went back to my hotel by Silver Bird. This was the first time I rode in one. It looks like they're 50% more expensive than normal.

Jaimito Cartero

09-27-04, 06:06

i'm becoming less satisfied with the aston atrium as days go by. i was out for 4 hours yesterday, and although i had the clean room sign on, they never did. i came back for a nap at 3pm, and they hadn't done it by then, so it didn't get done.

they also have scalding hot water out of the taps. i guess it's good that i always adjust it before i get into the shower. you'd get some serious burns.

i woke up at 8pm, and wanted to get something to eat. i called the front desk to see how late the chinese restaurant was open. they told me 9:30pm.

i go to the restaurant at 8:45pm, and they say they're closed for a private party. it would have been nice if the reception would have told me this. oh well.

later on, i go downstairs, and ask for a chinese restaurant that's still open. they shrug and say maybe a stall in the street. not the answer i wanted.

i persist, and they look in their restaurant book. they call a few that don't answer. finally they find me the hailai. the desk guy tells the blue bird driver where to go, and i have the info on a piece of paper. he then tells me make sure and get a blue bird taxi for the ride back.

as soon as we've left the hotel, the blue bird driver asks to see the paper. bad sign. he keeps asking where we're going. hell, if he doesn't know i certainly don't. he finally goes to another restaurant, that isn't right. he asks them, and they tell him where to go.

i get there, and they have a large buffet set out. they hand me a menu also. no prices in the menu. the buffet looks interesting, but mostly of things that i'm not sure what they are. the price is fairly cheap (30k). i check a few items in the menu (they have to enter the number in the computer, they say), but they are way expensive for indonesia (168k). i go for the buffet.

i find enough stuff that i can eat, although it wasn't what i was looking for. they have some gyoza type stuff that i like that they cook up for you, and some dim sum too, but nothing that looked interesting.

i leave and decide to head for cj's. i ask for a blue bird at the stand out front. "no blue bird" i hear. hmmmm. okay, i guess it was bound to happen sometime.

i decide to chance it anyway. i get into a green (and yellow i think) taxi. i notice that as we're pulling away he doesn't start the meter. i tell him to use it, and he says, "no meter". i say, no thanks. we're halfway out of the parking lot of the restaurant, but i tell him to stop. he starts speeding up. i open my door, and tell him to stop again. he finally starts slowing down.

i jump out as it's still moving a little and start back to the restaurant. the taxi guy is now yelling that, yes, he will use the meter. no thanks. fool me once...

i'm pissed at the taxi stand guy. he's trying to come up with some lame excuse. i go inside the restaurant and talk to a supervisor. he says he will get me a blue bird. 3 minutes go by. he tells me, "no blue bird". he says another taxi will take me and use the meter. okay, i'll chance it.

i get a white taxi, and the guy seems okay. make it to cj's in about 20 minutes or so. 23k

i had extended my stay at the aston atrium by 2 days. i was looking for the sari pan pacific, but their bule price is too high. ($68 a night). i may stay in the melawi a couple of days to experience the full spectrum.

i got my ticket back to denpasar today. on saturday i had tried calling a few places in the afternoon, but didn't find anyone open who spoke english. i found kostour 3842091 across from the aston atrium hotel.

star airline tickets don't seem to be easy for them to ticket (they have to go by their office, i think), but they did get me an afternoon flight on thursday for the same 390k.

1Ball

09-27-04, 09:11

JC, you are doing a FANTASTIC JOB !!!

great FRs, thank you.

John Aldrich

09-27-04, 18:38

JC,

In case you are planning to change the hotel,maybe you may want to try Hotel Aryaduta. Its managed by Hyatt. Alternately you may want to try Meridien. Remember, when you are heading towards the old city which is known as Kota, always pick up a silver bird and tell him to wait. Never try and get into any other taxi other than the blue bird group. On a bad day, you may land up being ripped off. Silver Bird is about 30% more costly than Blue Bird, but I guess it is worth it, since you dont have to undergo the agony of being looted or ripped off.

Aston Atrium itself would have been ok if you were a regular in Jakarta. But the entire area is pretty dangerous especially because of the late night mongering that you have ventured into.

In case you love some good fun in a karaoke where you would like to have a strip tease and top it up with a BBJ and CIM, then try Bengkel in SCBD, Sudirman. It has a Bar with a live band, a pool bar and a Karaoke.

That is one of my favourite joints for Karaoke. I am a regular there. Almost all the girls in the Karaoke are from Manado. Most girls look like chinese.

Pick up one or two and tell them you will tip them well. You will find them doing the striptease and then take you to the attached toilet, clean you up and then do a fantastic BBBJ with CIM. I normally pay them 200K per girl for the BBBJ and CIM coupled with a strip tease. I also buy them some drinks.

Having come to Jakarta, you must try the massage at Oasis. Its in the same building as Deleila. The name of the building is Patra Jasa in Jl. Gatot Subroto.

In terms of the cost of drinks that you have paid in CJ's, I would say you have been ripped off. Normally alcoholic drinks are just about 90K. I think you paid more. Did you check the price on the menu which they have in the entrance.

In case you like some well structured females, then try and visit Deleila in Jl. Gatot Subroto. You will find some fabulous females who are well structured and are normally bigger than an average Indonesian girl. In case you are lucky, you may land up with a middle eastern female too.

And lastly, I would suggest that it is better to stay towards Sudirman or South Jakarta. It is much safer and blue bird and silver birds are available in plenty.

Try Bulai's favourite hunting ground, 30+ in Meridien. You will find some good chicks. In case you are still hunting for a girl say, after 1 am, then hit Retro at Crowne Plaza. You will get scores of them.

You can also try checking into Crowne Plaza.

Cheers,

Bulai69

09-27-04, 19:19

JC - if you don't speak BI and you don't know where you are going, go for Silver Bird every time - anything else is not worth the agro - the difference is insignificant (not as much as 50%)

Meridien is much better than Sari Pan Pacific and you can get the price less than you quoted. Ask for Mr Gerhard (front office manager) at Meridien - say a friend recommended his excellent service (he is susceptible to ego massaging) and you will get a good rate.

Meat Lover

09-28-04, 11:34

Hi Guys,

Anybody know whether action can be found on Laluna Spa nearby Pecenongan?. I saw a large sign shown special price of Rp 95,000.00 for massage from 3 to 9 oclock. I just wonder whether they only offer straight massage or something else.

Possessed Seoul

09-28-04, 11:53

Just a reminder, remember to logout when you're done viewing the WSG. Guess what I didn't do?

JC (Pasaraya Grande, lower level Internet cafe)

Jaimito Cartero

09-28-04, 12:48

Well, I was going to check out the lower end of things (stay at the Melawai), but their standard rooms were full. I decided that I had not driven around enough in daytime Jakarta traffic, so I managed to corral a Silver Bird and went on a 2 1/2 hour saga. Don't even ask...

I ended up at the Ahambra (or similar, their keycard doesn't have the name on it). Kaha listed it as a 5 star, but their front desk lists it as 4 star. Oh well, I'll survive for my last two nights. It's across the street from the Pasaraya Grande.

I think I'll catch a movie here, and then see if I can photograph some of the Stadium cuties.

I *again* messed up my conversion of prices. It seems I either add one too "0" too many, or subtract one. JAD was with me, and made sure I wasn't ripped off. I certainly wouldn't pay as much for the girl as the drinks.

I have come to a solution for kids who beg. Yesterday I was accosted by a couple of them. I felt sorry for them, but had no idea if it was genuine, or just a way for the parents to make some money. (Ages about 7 and 2 1/2). They asked for food, so I took them to KFC. Got them a kids meal to go.

They seemed quite happy, and I saw them run to their mother, which I believe they shared the food with. If I had known that I would have gotten them more. It's always a bit of a dilema for me. I will help when it real, but usually feel I'm getting taken. That's one reason why I help out the WSG charities in Argentina, and other people whose situation I know (In Costa Rica, for example).

One other (hopefully final) bitching about Jakarta. It's bad enough that 90% of males smoke here. However, it seems like they gravitate toward whatever section I'm eating in (clearly marked No Smoking - Dilarang Merokok) and start chain smoking.

Even on an elevator yesterday, there were two guys smoking. Big no smoking sign in the elevator. And there is one thing I can't stand, is smoke in a very enclosed space. Now I expect smoke in clubs and so forth, but usually there is some sort of ventilation.

Jaimito Cartero

09-28-04, 12:53

Bulai - I'll keep that in mind for my next trip. I paid 445k per night at my hotel. I'll only be here for 2 nights, so I'll rough it out.

Actually with the two nights left in Jakarta, there are so many girls I'd like to do. If I could, I'd have at least 10 on my dining list. Only problem is, if I do 2 in one day, then I don't feel like doing one the next.

Jaimito Cartero

09-28-04, 12:56

I went to Plaza Indonesia yesterday, going "mall girl" shopping. I did the stroll between the two Starbucks. When I first came in, I saw a couple of older girls who looked like they had hooked with one Bule. I was there for a couple of hours (2:30pm-4:45pm). I finally got tired and just went to look for greener pastures. I'm sure if I would have stayed after 5, I would have found something.

Bulai69

09-28-04, 18:59

Meat Lover - I stayed Hotel Alilla once last year and tried Laluna Spa near Pecenongan. As usual, everything was on offer but I just had HJ which was OK. Can't remember prices but certainly weren't exorbitant as I recall

Jaimito Cartero

09-29-04, 12:02

The Ambhara is fairly decent, room wise. Smaller rooms than the Aston, also no down pillows or comforters. At least the things seem to be in shape, and no burns or gougings in the wall.

I went to Stadium last night. The hotel only has Silver Birds, so I took one of those. And I do believe that they're 50% more than Blue Birds. (Flag drop on Blue Bird 3000, Silver Bird 4500. Plus each 'tick" is 130 on Blue Bird, 200 on Silver Bird.) Since taxi's are cheap, it doesn't matter much for short trips, but on long ones it might make a difference.

I debated whether to have the taxi wait, and I decided to do it, just in case. I had brought my Nikon 5700 to take some pictures, but just brought it in a plastic bag so it wouldn't draw attention. I decided I didn't want to walk to the street and chance getting it ripped off.

I had a bottle of water in the bag too, that they wouldn't let come in, no problem with the camera.

I went up to the 3rd floor, and saw my beavy of beauties hanging out in the entrance to the club. I went inside and got a water (16k - this time I'm double checking all figures!). Listened to the band/singer for a bit. Some girls inside, some hanging around outside, others sitting on the big couch near the room desk.

I tried to take a few pics, but most girls weren't interested. (However, I had at least 10 girls take pictures of me, especially with other girls. Doesn't seem fair, eh?)

It seemed most of the girls on the couch were "b" grade. These are the type I usually enjoy the most. There were a few 8's on the couch, but most were 5-6 grade. I talked to one 8 for awhile, but she didn't seem enthused. I was trying to get the mamasan's attention, but she got snagged in the meanwhile.

One fairly plain looking girl caught my attention. She had a very nice body, and I seemed to get along with her on the couch. I don't think she's one that gets picked 10 times a night. As I picked her, all the other girls were hooting and raising a ruckus.

Cost was 222k. Condoms were 5k if you needed them. They offered 1 or 2, so that was nice, since they would let you have multiple shots on goal. Length of time is an hour, and the bed and room are nice. The shower door was a tight fit to get my big stomach by, but I barely managed. We had some playful washing going on, with soap liberally applied.

On the bed they've got a nice side mirror, to watch the action. I chose Tini a 22 year old. A+ tits, nice little butt, and a good attitude. She seemed opened for most things (didn't ask about anal), and had a good sense of humor. We started with some LFK, moved to nipple sucking 101, and then she showed off her adequate dick sucking skills.

One comment on Indo girls so far. I have yet to see a totally shaved girl. Some medium trimmed ones, but almost all have a fairly big bush. I guess it's what the locals prefer. I don't mind, but some places it seems that 75% of the girls are shaved.

She had a nice tasty pussy, so as my weakness will lead me to do, I spent 25 minutes dining on Indo snapper. I then moved to the main event, and after trying a few different positions, settled on the "squish" technique. That's basically any time you put a 40k girl under a 155k guy. (Hey, I used to be 195k, so it's better now!)

She survived, and she was just getting up when the phone rang to say the hour was up. She showered, and got dressed. She wasn't up for a nude pic, but I dd get a couple of clothed ones.

Overall I'd say she was a 5 1/2 looks. 7 1/2 attitude and 6 1/2 skill level.

We were just heading out, and she hadn't even asked for a tip yet. Amazing. I handed her 50k, and she seemed happy. I was her second for the day. It was the end of the shift, so I rode down with a whole elevators of working girls.

My Silver Bird was waiting just outside the door. He had waited for 2 hours, the meter just turned over 100k as I got in. (Ride there was 33k or so). Total once I got back to Blok M was 123k, plus some tip. Seems cheap to me for 2 1/2 hours.

I'm at another mall, though I don't know the name of it. It's the one with the Carrefou and Outback Steakhouse (It's between Block M and Plaza Indonesia).

No WSG logins on this computer though. They do have a pretty complete selection of DVD's here. 10-20k each for DVDs. Level 4.

Off for my last night in Jakarta. It's going to be tough to select one to pick out. I liked the look of some at Hotel Travel place (200k "massage").

Jaimito Cartero

09-29-04, 12:09

After using the internet yesterday at Pasaraya Grande, I sent to see Collateral at the Multiplex Grande. It's not easy to reach, you either have to go in through part of the parking garage, or enter from a ground floor elevator.

They have bowling, health center and a 6 or 8 theatre complex. 40k to see a movie. These are the best seats I've been in so far in Indonesia. I think this whole part of the complex is pretty new.

Afterwards I ate at the chinese restaurant one level below. The food seemed good (shrimp and chicken). However, during the night I started to get the runs. Not sure if it was from the food there, or the food I had at the Ambhara in the afternoon.

That's the only thing that I find lacking in Jakarta. Not enough other things to do, outside of mongering. Plus no train or subway for easy transport.

Zippy

09-29-04, 15:22

JC- you were in Ratu Plaza. Don't buy DVD's there, though! At 20k per DVD, you're overpaying. You'll pay 5k per DVD at other malls....

Surfer

09-29-04, 22:39

John Aldrich: Bengkel sounds great, will have to check it out. I know you said it is on Sudirman, but am not familiar with the building. Can you be a little more specific.

Also, my experience is that Tigapuluh has the stunners for sure, but expectations ($$$) are higher than elsewhere and attitudes seem harder than elsewhere. But Bulai knows better than I.

I also have never had difficulty flagging down a bluebird in Kota and think paying a driver to wait is unnecessary.

Cartero: The smoke is Indonesia's primary drawback IMHO. Lintas Melawai is the absolute worst; I can only stand it for 5 minutes at a time, so I suggest finding one (or two) you like and bringing her over to the pool table bar (or better yet out on the sidewalk) to talk.

Bulai69

09-29-04, 23:08

Surfer - I agree 30bar is at the high end of pricing but not so bad as BATS. As a very rough guide, the same girl will ask 1 million in BATS, 600 - 700 in 30Bar and can be got for 300 - 400 through reasonable negotiation or finding her in Jalan Jaksa after 2am (unless someone else has found her before hand!)

Regarding taxi's - I agree with you during daytime, but walk out of Stadium at 1am with a girl on your arm and try finding ANY taxi with a working meter ! For the sake of spending an extra 50k why risk it?

Lord Weasel

09-30-04, 00:08

Guys,

I would like to visit JKT frequently from Singapore.

I have a good hunch that the best way is to get a 1 year visa, to remove the hassle of the "visa on arrival" queue, got that figured out. 3.5 mill.

I will get a single flight in 1st time, but I need a travel agent in JKT who can do cheap fares starting in JKT to either Batam or Singapore.
I have one already but it's a cousin of a girl, who'd I rater not let know I'm in town, she might spoil my mongering activities if you see what i mean.

Any travel agent contacts please? Including a name, who has reasonable english, ideally takes creditcards, so I can order from Singapore.

PM if you want to keep the numbers private.

Possessed Seoul

09-30-04, 04:31

Again, I did not log out of my WSG account before I left the Millenia internet cafe in Pasaraya Grande. There is another reason NOT to do this (other than the obvious fact of people reading your emails, posting retarded messages and so forth).

As a regular member, there are some people, particually in a islamic country who probably wouldn't want to see the local girls in the photo section.

I've only used 2 computers at this place, and both times you've still been logged in. Geeesh.

JC

Jaimito Cartero

09-30-04, 05:13

As for the DVD's I bought, there were local at 6k, import copy 10k and import for 20k. Not sure if I messed up pricing in my original report or not. I bought some boxed series that 12-15k each disk.

Since I bitched about public transportation last night, I took the bus from Ratu Plaza to my hotel last night. I took the Express bus (has the special blocked off lane). 2.5k. It was amazing, the bus was pretty crowded (7pm), but what usually took 25-30 minutes, only took about 5 minutes! If I stayed longer, I would definitely check into this bus, especially from 6am-10pm!

I also had the pleasure of breathing in bus fumes trying to find my way to my hotel. I went down into the Blok M mall and looked at stuff there. Interesting, and more of a slice of local life.

Okay, I did a scientific study on taxi prices last night. I took a Silver Bird at 11:40pm to Hotel Travel (report in a bit, if I have time before flying to DPS). Cost about 35k, with minor traffic delays.

On the way back, it took me a couple of blocks to flag down a Blue Bird (and it was going the wrong way, I was right across from Lokasari by then). So by the time it went back the other direction, the distances were the same.

Going back was 19,520, with about the same amount of stop light waiting.

Jaimito Cartero

09-30-04, 05:39

Well the first place that JAD had taken me on my tour was Hotel Travel (In the general area of Lokasari). This was the only fishbowl place I had seen. I was really amazed at the quality of girls here, and wanted to check it out before I left.

The rooms are pretty nice, with mirrors on the ceiling and wall. There are between 15-25 girls when I arrive. It's on the second floor, though there is Karoke there too. Make sure you look for the Massage or Health Club section.

The only problem I have with these type places, is that you don't get to interact with the girls. I'm doing a high/low schedule this week. Take the nicest one day, and the lowest (well, not *the* lowest, but you get my drift) the next. Today was a high day.

I took a beautiful tall (for Asia) stunner, with a nice rack. I paid my 200k. Her name is Arita and is 20yo. 5'4" or so in height. Large B, or small C tits. Very attractive, I'd rate her a 9, except for some out of alignment teeth, which brings her down to 8.5.

She got to the room after me, and I could tell she was NOT happy. She only got half undressed, and then layed on the bed facing away from me and pouted. I found this very entertaining.

I finally got her to take her top off, and I started suckling her protruding nipples. She had no interest in kissing, and was still not happy to be with this big Bule.

As a comment in general, I recognize that all girls don't want to be with a large guy. That's why I generally like to talk to them a bit, and see if we click. If not, then I have no interest in being with them. I am clean, and recognize that if I do a lot of activity I will sweat easily. Therefore, I'll take a shower and make sure it's as pleasing as possible for both of us.

She had her face away from me, and I thought she started to cry. Now there are a number of things I won't do with a girl. And a big one is if they are crying. Not a good sign at all. I look at her face, and find instead, that she is looking at my big stomach, and is actually gigling. Oh, it's going to be one of those nights.

I asked her if she wanted me to ask the mamasan for another girl. She declined.

Now, I hate to say it, but I have been laughed at before. While I don't take it too personally, I guess it's better to have my stomach laughed at, than my dick. Look for the silver lining, I guess.

I moved down and started DATY. Now at first I thought she was just going to shove my head away, but she didn't. She was quite tasty, and she loosened up a great deal. She was so wet that I thought I had another squirter for awhile. (See Pattaya reports last year for more info). I think she popped 2 times, as she had me stop twice.

She moves on to me then, and does a pretty good BBBJ. This last about 5 minutes, but she wants to start "boom boom" right away.

I pull out a condom and have her start out in Cowgirl. After a couple of minutes, however, it's not doing it for me. I changed positions to normal missionary. Still not doing it. I'm not sure if it's her attitude, or this daily sex is wearing me out. (Normal for me is 3-4 times a week when I'm on my Monger-cation).

I pull out, and just have her hand finish me. As I come, she gets up and yells like her team just won the world cup. She survived, and it's late enough, she can go home. She quickly showered, and literally ran out of the room. She didn't ask for a tip, as her 100 meter sprint didn't allow for it. Amazing.

While not a good experience, it was adequate. I guess this is one reason why I usually don't go for the cutest ones. I told her I was coming back tomorrow for her, and her eyes just bugged out. I leveled with her that I was going to Bali and she sighed with relief.

I found the girls here in the 6-9 range. It seems to be a "one pop" place unlike Stadium which is a 1 hour place. Perhaps JAD or others could clarify if I'm incorrect. Since this girls was so happy to survive, I won't take her as a norm for this place. I would still come back, but would probably try and get the mamasan or pappasan's help, or trade out a girl if she's reluctant.

Haole

09-30-04, 07:04

To: JC

Brother, you don't seem happy in Jakarta. Frankly, I love the place for business and pleasure.

You just have get into the rhythm.

I haven't read to many FR's from Bangkok that complain about the traffic and pollution there (IMHO worse than Jakarta).

Based on the quality of the action in Jakarta now, it reminds me of Bangkok in the 80's---not like the worn out ho's hanging around the Nana now. In the 80's and early 90's the Nana and environs rocked--now it's Jakarta for young, fresh, p****!

Bulai69

09-30-04, 20:47

JC - thanks for your interesting posts.

Your post about Hotel Travel raises a few issues. Unfortunately your experience is not unique and its one of the reason’s I don’t make much use of these places (you will remember there were none of these place in the ”top 10” list I sent you).

Certainly you can find good looking girls in them but the fundamental problem is the basis on which they operate. The girls are not there because they chose to be; generally speaking they are captive victims of a sinister commercial arrangement between the owner of the establishment and their parents. Apart from the morality of this (which I’m not addressing here) it brings with it an understandable attitude problem. Many girls can get over it to some extent and provide a fantastic experience: many can’t. The one you found was clearly in the latter category; result: poor value for money.

That’s why my preferred regime is to hunt girls who (at best) are actively looking for it, or at worse, prepared to put in a good performance for the money. Captive girls are unlikely to be in either category.

Another point you mentioned was that you asked her if she wanted you to ask the mamasan for another girl and she declined. It was 100% certain that she would decline. If it transpired that she was not the income generator defined in the “contract” with her parents who will have been “loaned” money she would have a real big problem.

My guess is that her attitude would have been the same if Bratt Pitt had been her customer instead of you.

Hopefully your last night in Jakarta provided a better experience – did you find any real amateurs? These are the best ones!

Brandon88

09-30-04, 23:38

Hello everyone,

I will be returning to JKT late next week, and staying for one week. My usual haunts are BATS, Tigah Palu, CJs, etc. If anyone is interested in meeting up for a drink somewhere, please let me know.

Brandon

Menteng

10-01-04, 06:46

I arrived rather sick in Jakarta and had to spend a couple of days in bed. To make me feel better I decided to go to an MP to have a nice massage. It was at Duta mp in Majestic. The girl started the usual routine and towards the end of the treatment (60K for an hour) she asked if I wanted her to continue. That means if I would like to have a handjob. Of course I said that's ok, because after a couple of days without any sexual activity I needed it very bad. While she was stroking me gently I started fondling her breast and to my delight she even allowed me to kiss her nipples. As I was doing that, my right hand went between her thighs and again, she didnt object to any of my activities. Soon she was wet, but when I tried to lower her knickers she protested, though not very convincing and I managed to get them halfway her thighs. I left the massagetable and tried to enter her from behind but she wouldn't let me. Again I tried to push her knickers down and this time she let me. As she did'nt want to lie down on the table I tried to penetrate her while standing. That did'nt work because I'm much taller than she was. She said we'd better stop because the movements we made produced too much noise, so I said why don't you lie down and get it done. She hesitated but when the table moved while I was pushing against her, she agreed.
There was not much room on the table for special positions, but I really did'nt mind because the only thing I was after, was a good coming after all those days. When I finally did, apparently I made too much noise because she smothered my mouth with her lips. Feeling very relieved after that, I tipped her 300K, the ongoing rate at Maribaya.
What surprizes me about the whole thing, is that at this MP it was able to get a FJ and as the girl said, she's sure other girls are willing to do it as well. So I guess I'll have to find out which ones they are, as I stay very near to Majestic in Kebayoran.
PM me if you want to know the girl's name.

Menteng

10-01-04, 06:55

JC, why didn't you contact me in Jkt? I might have been of any use. I know the mid-range in Jkt pretty well and could have helped you a lot communicating with the girls. If I'm not mistaken you informed me through the forum while I was in Costa Rica, so it would have been my pleasure to assist you this time.

Jaimito Cartero

10-01-04, 08:01

Actually that *was* my last night in Jakarta. But I'm a bit of realist, and know that things don't always go the way you want them to. Also, it seems that 75% of the girls who are really knockouts just don't give me the service I want. I know this as a fact, yet I still keep hoping for the 1 in 4 that works out great.

I got more comfortable in Jakarta as the days went by. While there are places that I sensed were unsafe to walk at 2am in the morning (It didn't stop me from walking there), I didn't feel threatened, and enjoyed the city.

I try to be honest in my reports, even though I certainly come off looking stupid sometimes. I've read some reports that are so detailed and such an amazing story that it just makes me want to go that country.

I don't even claim to be able to do that, but I try and give back some of what I have read here over the last 5 or 6 years.

I do get pissy about certain things, of course. I'm an American afterall, and we like to think that everyone should bow to our lifestyles and should speak English. Especially those Aussies and Brits! Can't they learn English? (Humor alert).

I hate ripoffs, which are 90% taxi related. This is universal in almost every country I've been to. ripoff the tourist. Charging tourists 2x as much for hotels, girls and so forth too is annoying. I will go to stupid lengths to avoid a place if I think I'm going to get ripped off.

For example, I tried to check into the Melawai I a few days ago. I went in. They said, "Deluxe room". I said, no, "Standard Room". They have me fill out registration slip. Okay, I start to get money to pay, and they say, "Only Deluxe room, across street". Well, shit, why didn't you say so before I wasted my time filling it out?

How can I expect to get the real feeling of a *****house hotel when I get a deluxe room? I take off, and grab a Silver Bird. This starts a 2 hour journey to find a hotel booking place. I have a Kaha hotel booking agency card, and give it to my driver and try to explain that I want to book a hotel, and to go to a nearby train station, or one of the addesses on the card.

I think he gets it. I am wrong. He takes me to Le Meridian. There they figure out what I want and help out. They were quite nice. So off we go. He can not find the place and drives around and around and around. Every kilometer or two, he'd stop and ask someone. He never finds the place. I recall that there was a Kaha office across the street from the Aston Atrium, I tell him to go there.

I go inside, and look at their prices. (By the way they have the Aston for 245k a night w/o breakfast if you have local ID). None of the hotels I wanted were reasonable. A couple of arab guys were trying to book a place, and they kept getting told they were full. Rather than to try and lowball stuff, I picked a nice hotel in the Blok M area. Of course it was more than the Melawai would have charged, but lord forbid I go back with my tail between my legs.

Go back to my waiting Silver Bird. During the long ride searching for a Kaha office, I was fist pissed, and then hungry (no breakfast), and then finally just resigned to having a bit of an adventure. In the end, it was 95% my just not knowing any Bahasa, and should have just told him to go to the Atrium location in the first place.

One thing about taxi's. I feel like I've gone back 50 years in time in some ways. To have your own personal driver who will wait for you is, to me, a great luxury. To go to a club, and have the driver wait for 2 hours, and spend almost 3 hours total at your service for 130k is just amazing.

My taxi to the airport (Blue Bird affiliate) cost 54k, plus 8k in tolls. It had taken me 40 minutes to get to the Aston Atrium when I arrived, so I figured 60 minutes from Blok M. Luckily I left 10 minutes early. If they were strict like they are in the US, I might not have gotten on. Actually took an hour though. The first 30 minutes were just a logjam. 15 minutes to get on the tollway, 15 minutes moving 5k an hour, and then it opened up.

Otherwise, I'd be logging in from Jakarta, I think.

Jaimito Cartero

10-01-04, 08:12

As regards my style of mongering. I'm a bit of a buffet type person. I like to take a little taste of everything to see what I really like. This trip for me, was just the tasting part.

I will probably stay away from Fishbowl type places. I really like to interact with the girls some before doing anything.

I really like Jakarta overall. In the 8 countries or so that I've mongered in, it has some of the most beautiful (and affordable) girls that I've seen. I like Thai girls as well, but many of the Indonesian girls just have this facial quality that really gets to me. Sure there are ugly girls here, but the quality of girls here is just remarkable.

What I didn't find was any GFE. I trolled the malls a bit, but given my pathetic knowledge of Bahasa and the time I put in, it's no surprise that I wasn't successful. Maybe next time.

I think the freelance scene is interesting, and would probably be the way I'd usually go. I didn't go to any expat bars, but would probably do that more the next time. I found Stadium to be interesting, and pretty relaxed overall. Other than looking around, I didn't really take the 4th floor into account, but only did the 3rd.

I could easily spend a month in Jakarta and still only scratch the surface. I'm rather glad that it hasn't been a big hotspot like Thailand is. The police seem laid back, I never had problems entering malls, or aggression from people in the street. If I feel really threatened in a country I don't think I would go back. I feel fine in Indonesia.

Dorman

10-01-04, 08:59

Thanks for your reports JC, they are excellent. It's fun reading a well written report from a newbie about some where I know and have grown to love, it takes me back to when I first arrived here and the culture shock I experienced. Now I adore Jakarta but really hated it the first time I got here.

Your reports are balanced and accurately reflect the problems as well as the extremely pleasant aspects of the hobby here. When you stayed in Blok M did you not think of heading down to JL Falatehan, to D's Place or My Bar? I'm an out of shape, beer bellied, red faced Paddy approaching middle age but still never fail to score some seriously hot free lancers down there. Never had a bad experience once, now I tend to limit my trips as I can hardly make my mind up which to choose and buying a drink to all the unlucky (lucky?) runners up is getting too expensive. I know I shouldn't but just one look from those pouty, sulky little princesses melts my heart every time.

Give me a shout the next time you're in town I'd be happy to show you around.

Zippy

10-01-04, 13:02

JC- thanks for your reports but in regards to your statement, "I'm an American afterall, and we like to think that everyone should bow to our lifestyles and should speak English," please speak for yourself!

I know you were trying to be humorous, but as an American who lives in Jakarta, respects other cultures, and makes an effort to speak Bahasa Indonesia, I hate when that that stereotype is perpetuated.

John Aldrich

10-01-04, 18:08

Surfer,

Bengkel is in SCBD, off Sudirman and also off Gatot Subroto. It is an independent building very close to club store. Its pretty huge. It has a bar with live music, a sportsbar and a Karaoke. It is not part of any multi storeyed building. It is a single storey building and has a huge board and the entire complex belongs to them.In case you pick up a blue bird, just tell the guy Bengkel in SCBD. Its pretty close to electronic city and the Millenia showroom. But walking distance from club store. You just cannot miss the building.

Have fun Cheers,

Jaimito Cartero

10-02-04, 09:07

Zippy, that's a bit of my sarcasm in play. There are indeed many people who believe, or act like it anyway. I can't tell you the number of times I've seen Americans, Canadians or other Europeans act like everyone who is a deeper shade than them should bow down and kiss their ass.

The one thing I've learned in travelling so much the last 15 years (and in particular the last 4 years), is that you can gain insight from everyone. I learn something from how people live in every country I go to. I don't think that most American's or other so called 1st world countries really understand how it goes in the rest of the world.

I misunderstand people a lot, especially when local customs and language come into play. That's why I'll go back again and make sure I understand what's going on before I say, "Oh, all Indo's are just out to get your money", or some other broad statement that's just BS.

Jaimito Cartero

10-02-04, 09:09

Well I felt I got a good feel for Jakarta in the 8 days or so I was there. JAD drove me by some of the expat bars you mentioned (D's, etc), but I never made it back to them. I guess it gives me a reason to come back, eh?

Bulai69

10-02-04, 14:33

JC - I'm sure you'll be back, it's a pity you didn't (I suspect) enjoy your trip to JKT as much as you might have. My suggestion is that next time you come, especially if it's just a week or so, you have a daily plan with specific places mapped out. That's what I do, as I am usually only there for a week at a time. It might seem a bit "precious" but when you've limited time you need to maximise opportunities. As with any plan you need to able to react to change in the situation.

For anyone to whom a good GFE is important (which I think you said you did, JC), my suggestion to anyone coming for a limited time is to start in the "best" malls (PI, PS or TA) at lunchtime and look for customers in cafes, if that doesn't work go for SPG's from 2.30 to 5.30 (you get 2 goes because they usually change shift between these times). If still no luck (very unlikely!) go to Atrium and stay till 9pm. After that, back to hotel and then out to 30, BATS (not my preference) or CJ's. If you STILL haven't scored by say 01.00, go to JJ's, Stadium or Blok M. If you haven't scored by then shoot yourself as you never will.

Zippy

10-03-04, 05:44

Fair enough, JC. As someone who has been living as an expat for almost 4 years nows, I'm a little sensitive about perceptions of Americans. My experience is that "ugly behaviors" are not limited to one nationality, especially here in Jakarta.

Anyway, back to business. I checked out CJ's last night (a Saturday) and it was STOCKED full of available wanitas at about 12:30 am. Unfortunately, I brought in a girl so I wasn't able to take advantage of the situation. This is one of the very few times I've seen a favorable (Indo.) girl/ (bule) guy ratio in the place on a Saturday night. It's not one of my favorite places but the band is usually decent and I prefer to bring a girl in rather than hunting there.

God of Gamblers

10-03-04, 09:14

I have yet to see a report on the cluster of expat bars by Blok M on Jalan Fatelah (sic?). In recent months, D's Place has blown the competition away by successfully attracting tons of chicks there, thanks to their sexy dancing, sexy clothing, etc contests. The owner was correct in surmising that the expats would follow the girls.

However, apparently Sportsman's and My Bar are catching up, offering even raunchier fare. The clubs are now offering a VIP lounge which offers lap dances, etc. There is even a super VIP lounge within the VIP lounge. I cannot vouch for what is inside but it is like a small confessional. I assume you enter and immediately get a BJ. Someone may have some experience as to this.

Top Gun used to be a fave of mine (across the street from D's) but it and Oscar's have dropped off a bit in the face of D's agressive marketing.

The same girls go to D's every night, it seems, and I encourage members for the sake of cost efficiency to exchange and swap phone numbers of any D's girls they come across. I have yet to go to D's Kemang, but I'm interested.... Any reports from there?

Gzono

10-03-04, 14:30

Hi colleagues

Please remind me when Idul Fitri is or whatever you call the period when everyone leaves town Ramadan and the bars sort of close up.

Thanks

Bulai69

10-03-04, 15:40

God of Gamblers – In the past I have mentioned those places in passing and even posted some photos of girls I’ve picked up in there – D’s place in particular. It worth looking at the blokmjakarta website (for those unfamiliar with this area). I have to say though that I rate these places as something of a last resort (as per my post just yesterday) for a number of reasons: mainly because IMO the quality of girls is lower and that in turn is due to the men who go there regularly (no offence). My guess, based on my few visits over the years is that most regular bules are long standing expats who can’t or won’t pay the high rates which girls can get in BATS and the like. Not that I’m advocating BATS particularly: there you have the reverse problem – bules who pay too much!

Vulcanizer

10-03-04, 15:47

Hei folks,

I'm just back from a trip to JKT, and what a trip it was!

Stayed at the aston 245k rp a night no brekkie, but good room, yes definately watch out for the water, far too hot!

Went to T &C sat pm found a real cutie, and was going home by 9.30. What a performance, her tongue was in my ass for a good 1\2 hr, a tasty snatch, and a good screw was had. Lots of chatting, kissing etc. the next morning bbjcim, at about 11am. Outstanding value for 500k rp.

Sun evening went to My bar, picked up a cutie (Erna) who wouldnt talk money, very poor service, everywhere was gili2, wet within a minute, then legs open. Sorry, but boring!

Went to bandung, took a while to find the action, but try Lillis at Valentine, hot, very hot!

Next was Bogor, now theres a funny place, no taxis, only anchor beer, and no night action of quality that I could find, please correct me if im wrong!

Went back to jkt and tried kartika. What fun. Slippin and sliddin all over the place, but girls there really aggressive, so wont be going back. Also, by the way, I went in the evening, and the ac was far too cold, the poor old manservant was up and down like a bride's draws!!
Just a quick one on the taxis, i dont think in theory we can complain about the price, but in reality, they have no idea where anything is so yes they are an overpriced waste of time. I use ojeks and have no problems with them.

Ps caught a bajai at one point driven by some old boy,he didnt know where sarinah Mc D's was, bless him, he got a 5k tip for the amusement factor.

Bulai69

10-03-04, 20:43

Zippy - I fully agree with your concerns about behaviour and certainly the problem is not confined to Americans. I've written before about the way many bules treat girls (I was specifically referring to 30 bar but it applies everywhere). Basically it's lack of respect. Even if it was the case that any one western race was worse than another, it wouldn't matter because most girls group us all as bules.

The net effect of this is that the whole "scene" becomes more commercialised and transactional. Just like it is in the west.

I will quote from a recent email from a girl friend of mine commenting on this issue:

...coz bules only want fun relationship and they aren't respect with Asian girls sometimes. They are arrogant, coz they
thinking that they have everything here ...U know, its easy to find handsome and young bules in jakarta but its not easy to find the kind and understanding person.

QED

Dorman

10-04-04, 02:39

i have to add a little dose of realism here, i could not agree more with treating the girls with respect, that is just common decency but worrying about 'the whole ''scene'' becoming more commercialised and transactional'? for heaven's sake that's the entire raison d'etre of this website and this hobby!

we are not here in order to meet lifelong companions; soulmates in whose arms we wish to grow old. we want to meet girls who are willing to have sex with us on the understanding that the commitment is very strictly short term, limited to one hour, one night or the length of a stay in a particular town whichever we decide. in return we are expected to treat them well and provide them with something they want ie money. during the period of this exchange it is in everyone's interest that we (both the buyer and seller) try to make the experience as enjoyable as possible and this is where the issue of mutual respect comes in.

if you want to have a more meaningful relationship, then fine but don't hang around the bars where the pros hang out. go to museums, religious meetings, or cultural events you will have no difficulties meeting the locals and you can encounter the sort of girls who are not just looking for 'fun'. it seems to me that some guys here want it both ways, they want to have 'special' relationships with sweet girls but want to have as many of them as they possibly can. they then get pissed off coz there's too many other guys who want the same thing.

as for bule men treating the girls badly and hurting their feelings this is an argument i have frequently with my indo girlfriend. like i said there is no excuse for rude or disrespectful behaviour towards girls doing a tough job. however it is a bit rich for natives of indonesia or indeed any developing country to blame white, western men for the situation prostitutes find themselves in. we are not coming over here and going into towns and villages and [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) innocent virgins you know. we are frequenting bars and clubs where there are girls who have decided, some willingly perhaps most unwillingly, to take this option. why have they made this choice? invariably the reason is to do with some misfortune caused by a local. almost without exception some shitty bastard of a local guy has knocked her up or stolen her virginity and left her in the lurch. so what does she do? look for some other local guy with a kind heart? not bloody likely! she goes looking for some much maligned western bloke who will be expected to put everything right again. occasionally they strike lucky, here in indonesia there are hundreds if not thousands of western guys with indo girlfriends and wives many of whom where originally picked up as pros. if the indo girl keeps getting her heart broken by western guys well she knows what to do, just suggest she try an indonesian boyfriend, watch her reaction to that!

on the subject of ignorant bule, americans are certainly not the main offenders, all our nationalities are guilty, but if i had to say who the worst offenders are i'd have to say that australians have the title. hell no offence meant to all the aussies it has to be said that they at least treat the girls with a bit more respect than they treat other bule!

Calico

10-04-04, 09:02

John Aldrich,

I took your advise to visit Oasis last Thursday, have 2 hour session with Alice ( ? ). She has a slim body with a nice personality. So so massage and finally a HJ. For FS, she was asking 800 - too much for her type. I offered 400 - no avail.

JA - does Alice you refer to is the same as the one I mt - having brunette color hair with a big nose ( from operation ? )

I went there around 5 pm., going out to find a cab was very difficult due to the heavy traffic/rush hour.

Regards,

Calico

Thumbs Up

10-04-04, 13:33

Gentlemen,

I am looking forward to my first trip to Jakarta (perhaps early to mid-November) and I have some questions related to dress. What is the level of dress at the hotel bars such as CJ’s or BATS? Is it business casual (nice slacks and shirt) or do most wear a sport coat and tie?

Also, when searching the malls and shops (esp. PS and PI) would a business causal look or a jacket and tie help in snaring the more attractive “amateurs?” Or is that just unnecessary and/or counterproductive (they expect more money and gifts)?

Finally, I have been to Thailand a number of times and when I am looking for “amateur” women (not bargirls) I always wear slacks (not shorts) because the women seem to prefer men that way. Is that true in Jakarta? Again, I am not talking about bargirls.

Zippy

10-04-04, 15:34

Yes, good point, Bulai...

John Aldrich

10-04-04, 17:17

Calico,

No. The Alice I mentioned is slim with curly hair. looks more like an arabian. She gives a fabulous BBBJ with CIM. She never offers HJ. She only offers BBBJ with CIM or FS. Never pay 800K there. I have never paid more than 400K for BBBJ and CIM or FS. In case you pay more, we regulars may lose out.

You may also want to check with Bulai69. He is also a regular there.

AND TO ALL OTHERS.

Please let's not discuss nationalities here. I am sure all nationalities have some fantastic people and some not so fantastic people too. If you have a Jimmy Carter, then you have George Bush and also a Bill Clinton. All different personalities. Similarly, I am sure all countries have personalities who differ. That's why people are unique.

Just as Dorman mentioned, we are here to make love and not war. So lets discuss about making love. Remember you never get a hardon when you wanna [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) (!!!!). Lets not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off someone with our comments on nationalities. It does not matter whose bad whose good. As long as one makes love.!!!

Bulai69

10-04-04, 22:57

HI Dorman - don't misunderstand me - I think it's fairly obvious from my postings that I, for one, am not looking for a life-long partner or deep meaningful relationship. If I had been, I could have found it within 1 hour when I first stepped of the plane 13 years ago. My point is that whatever you are looking for - even if it's as basic as a simple 1 hour "fuck and forget", the quality of service and value for money will decline if bules (continue to) treat girls like shit. I know all about how Indonesian men treat women but that's a different issue. The situation is well demonstrated by the difference in attitude, generally speaking, between girls in Bali and girls in Jakarta - JC's latest posting provides an excellent example of just what I'm talking about.

However, I'm not really too hung-up on bringing about social revolution or changing national characteristics so I'll carrying on as I am and I'll post my successes in here until somebody shows me (by posting theirs) that they have a better way.

Dorman

10-05-04, 04:32

I understand your point Bulai and it's well made, I totally agree with your comparison between Bali and Jakarta, the same applies to the difference between Jakarta and provincial towns like Surabaya. I appreciate your insights on this board and have benefitted greatly from them during my own much briefer sojourn here. 13 years eh? You must have seen some changes. Is your name up on the board in D's Place? On the subject of that I must get around to a report on Jl Falatehan, where I now concentrate my efforts I feel it might be useful for someone who's new to the scene rather than us weatherbeaten old mongers.

Sorry about dissing the Aussies I really love them you know, it's just that their, how shall I put it?, robust, competitive nature can be quite overbearing in situations when testosterone is on the rise. Like I say having many Aussie friends I know they will take my comments in their usual good humoured way.

Jaimito Cartero

10-05-04, 04:34

There may be some women who won't respect you if you're nice to them, but when they've got your dick in their mouths, you'd better hope they're not pissed off.

While I may spank them a bit, and Jackson them occassionally (pull their hair from behind), it's never against their will.

Many of the girls do it for economic necessity, and aren't respected for it by society. There are many girls that I have as friends, long after I stop fucking them.

Calico

10-05-04, 06:00

JA,

Thanks for the advise. I am getting curious about your Alice.
Is her mobile 0812 98880xx ?

Bulai89 - any recomendation for Oasis ?

Let's keep the ball rolling ! We only have a few more days till the fasting month!

Calico

Jkt After Dark 2

10-05-04, 08:16

Jaimito Cartero:

... a "one pop" place unlike Stadium which is a 1 hour place. Perhaps JAD or others could clarify if I'm incorrect.Industry practive deal for bordello massage parlor is always max 1 shot max 1 hour. Tipping is not a must. You can extend the time to 2 hours. This mean you can have another round. But you pay twice. Or you can have another round within the first one hour time. But you have to give the girl a decent tips. (50% of the fee after you deduct the room. This is likely how much she earns for one pop.) Obviously, the girl you met at Stadium was under the impression that you are a reasonable guy. This is the reason she doesn't demand tip upfront.

Excluding "Looking for Lefty" girls ....I checked out your posting at Bali thread. That killed me man. Anyway, nice and very comprehensive reports. Have a nice trip. Take care.

Cheers,

Jakarta After Dark

Jkt After Dark 2

10-05-04, 08:22

John Aldrich, Bulai69, and Menteng:

Guys,

Ramadhan month is approaching. Pepare yourself with direct contact numbers! All bordellos will stop operating except Stadium. As usual, lining up the girls at the 2nd floor and use the room at 3rd and 5th floor.

How are John?

Cheers,

Jakarta After Dark

Menteng

10-05-04, 13:43

GoG,

No reports on Jl Paletehan? Maybe because the girls are too expensive? Asking $ 100.= US is just unbelievable for the quality of looks they have. It's better to get one 30. In common prettier and less expensive. OK, I understand that beauty is in the eye of the beholder but $ 100.=!!!!

God of Gamblers

10-05-04, 14:16

Are you sure, buddy? I thought it was the other way around. The girls on that street are all kampoeng girls while 30 is in a 5-star hotel. Maybe a C-note is where negotiations start, but I think Rp300,000 is the going rate. I've been to 30 but have never picked up a girl there.

Apparently they all have VIP clubs upstairs now with lapdances, etc. Who would ever waste Rp70,000 an hour or whatever on a lapdance when you can get full service all night for Rp300,000 is beyond me, but I'd like to check it out. I will drop by there on Saturday and make a detailed report.

Surfer

10-05-04, 19:22

Excellent threads here.

John Aldrich: About Ozzies in Indonesia, I apologize if you find this offensive but it is my experience that Ozzies ARE the guilty of the most boorish behaviour. That being said, this makes sense statistically as a disproportiante number of the bule in country are Ozzies. Also, I am not referring to their interaction with the Wanitas in Jakarta NEARLY as much as I refer to the the hideously uncivilized behavior that Ozzie surfers demonstrate in the Kampungs. They live like feral dogs only returning to Oz long enough to qualify for next year's dole and act like they are indigenous people protecting their own country. Then there are the drunks running around Kuta creating a bad image for ALL bule (and as somebody mentioned, they rarely distinuguish one nationality from another as we are ALL bule).

Perhaps the new visa regulations (and cost!) will deter some of that which is LONG overdue IMHO. I have lots of Ozzie friends and I quite like youz from the Lucky Country, but you cannot deny that when a bule acts like an ass in Indonesia he is more likely than not an Ozzie. They are the equivalenbt of British football hooligans on the Continent. I cannot recall a single instance of a Kiwi, Pom or Canadian misbehaving in that way whilst in Indonesia.

Bulai69

10-05-04, 20:37

Calico – I think John will agree that it was me who “discovered” Oasis, at least in the context of this forum. So, yes, I’d recommend it but do look back at my comments – in summary its good but not cheap.

Bulai69

10-05-04, 20:37

God of Gamblers – IMO the girls in 30bar are better quality than you’ll find in Blok M and prices are similar. But they are more inclined to “try it on” price –wise because of where they are. Here’s few at random

Bulai69

10-05-04, 20:38

Forgot to add photo:

Bulai69

10-05-04, 20:41

3rd time lucky

Bulai69

10-05-04, 20:42

Hi JAD – yes I’ve got those numbers handy but I think it’s still possible to find some new ones – mudah mudahan

Bulai69

10-05-04, 20:44

Dorman – thanks, I think most people who contribute to this forum are more or less aligned in their thoughts and habits. No name in D’s place I’m afraid – it’s not really a regular place for me. Just a point about Aussies – I think it’s probably a statistical thing because, as was said, there are more Aussie’s in JKT than other bules I think.

Also, Surfer, don’t be unkind - they’ve got enough problems – I mean look at this Aussie guy against my girl friend (for the evening) – wouldn’t you have a chip on your shoulder with an arse like that ?

Bulai69

10-05-04, 20:48

Just in case anyone wants close up (of the girl not the Aussie arse)

Alifulani

10-05-04, 23:55

Bulai69,

Your photos and commentary are again, right on the mark. For me, the photo you offer of the anonymous back-side brings new meaning to the words: "the land down under".

alifulani

Brandon88

10-06-04, 06:42

Gents,

Although I'd really love to meet some of the regulars here (in person), it's fine with me if you aren't up to it. But the offer still stands. Beers on me if anyone in town is up for it over the next week.

I saw some mentions of MyBar, which surprises me, since I kind of like the place and had some reasonable success there over the summer.

B

Dorman

10-06-04, 06:59

Ok here goes, a general report on Jakarta including a more substantive one on Jl Falatehan, hope this helps Menteng. This report is aimed at people in the position I found myself in eighteen months ago, new to a slightly overwhelming but thoroughly enjoyable city. It is by no means definitive as will become obvious but I hope it will be helpful in giving newbies a few ideas. I welcome any criticisms from the more experienced Jakarta hands.

The most obvious question is why Jakarta and not Bangkok for instance? My friends back home ask this all the time, (actually they ask 'where the f**k is Jakarta?'). My answer is really simple, you know when you go to a strip club and you watch all those hot chicks up on stage, naked and flaunting themselves? Well that's Bangkok. But you know how after an hour or so you notice the cute little waitress, she's fully clothed but cute as hell and who smiles shyly when she takes your order? You know the way you start staring at her all night wanting to have her? Well that's Jakarta!

Indonesian women are hot. They have beautiful smiles, great figures, IMHO better than Thai girls, much curvier with fuller asses and bigger boobs. Indonesian girls love sex, I swear to God if the economic situation was reversed they would pay us. Indonesia is the only place I have scored for free. Indonesia has a greater racial variety also, ranging from almost Indian looking to almost Chinese, I've found only Burma has a similar mix. Also as the scene in Jakarta involves so many more freelancers the attitude is way better. Because Indonesia is Muslim the girls are scrupulously clean, always washing themselves after going to the toilet and always immaculately dressed, quite impressive given the primitive nature of the plumbing in their homes. Despite being muslim they are much more up for oral than Thais, I haven't encountered the 'me no smoke' shit you get in Bangkok. The one drawback is they are almost all circumcised, some just a little snip others who have had their clits fully removed. I have discussed this before and am usually met with disbelief but belive me they're cut, just ask them.

So what about the city of Jakarta itself, to be honest it's a bit of a shithole. It's hot, sticky, foul with smog, choked by traffic, noisy, the pavements are a disgrace and it's ugly. So you are not going to find lots of interesting touristy things to do during the day. The main daytime activity is shopping in the big malls, Pasaraya Grande, Plaza Senayan and Plaza Indonesia. More experienced mongers than me have had a lot of success picking up in these places, I've never managed it myself. Even if you don't score you'll have good fun getting smiles off the passing girls, wandering around being accosted by the perfume squirters is great too, with a bit of effort you could score here too.

There is a good range of accommodation to suit all budgets ranging from the usual five star international chains, Marriott, Hilton, Meridien etc. to low budget places like Melawei. For my money a good mid range spot is the Ambhara in BlokM, they normally charge $70 pn but have a weekend special on Friday and Saturday, $55 pn including dinner and breakfast. On the subject of money a very rough and ready conversion rate is 10,000 rps to the dollar so it's not too hard to work out prices. There is tough security at the big hotels but this is to prevent terrorist attacks and in no way reflects their attitude to the hobby, without exception all the hotels are totally girl friendly with no signing in.

With regard to safety you should obviously take the normal precautions you would in any foreign city, the terrorist threat exists but it exists in Madrid, New York, Moscow and for all we know London and Rome too, so don't let that put you off. I have to say I never feel threatened in Jakarta, on the contrary they are welcoming, friendly and hospitable people. I would be more scared walking the streets of a city in the UK or Ireland after dark than I would here. I have wandered lost and pissed as a fart wearing gold jewellry and a $1000 Tag Heur watch in some dodgy backstreets and never had any trouble, now this is just plain stupid behaviour on my part and not recommended but I want to give you the picture.

Transportation in Jakarta is probably the biggest pain, imagine the traffic jams in Bangkok in a rainstorm then multiply it by two to get the idea. There is no skytrain or metro available, so you have to go by road. An option which isn't too bad is the Busway, it runs along a designated buslane from the north of the city all the way to Blok M in the south, the route it follows has pretty much most of the places you want along it. The buses are big, modern, clean and airconditioned. You board at the bus stations and pay 2,500 rps whatever the length of your journey, it can get very crowded at rush hours but it's a useful alternative for daytime travel. At night you have to use taxis, the Bluebird group, including the slightly more expensive Silver Birds found at the big hotels, has been mentioned many times before as being the most trustworthy and reliable and this is excellent advice for a new arrival. However there are other taxi companies which also are honest and use their meters, a good rule of thumb is to use only the new, modern cars, the older clapped out taxis are generally the cowboys. In the event that you have no alternative but to use these guys agree a price beforehand, it will be ridiculous but you can bargain, ultimately the cost will not be huge by western standards.

'Enough of the travelogue already. This isn't Lonely Planet or Rough Guide! Where's the girls at?' I hear you cry, ok ok. First of all the hotel nightclubs. All the big five star hotels have a club and all the clubs have sweet honeys very willing to get up close and personal with a western guy, (white westerners are called 'bule', pronounced boo-lay, you'll hear it alot, it's not meant offensively, it's like 'farang' in Thailand). Given the nature of the locations these clubs attract girls looking for the higher end clients and charge accordingly. These girls often ask $80 - $100, you really don't have to pay this, many do, Japanese guys are often the worst offenders, a much more realistic price is $40 - $50. Remember the same girls can often be found in cheaper locations, it's really a matter for your own judgemant in these places. Currently the best spots are BATs in the Shangri-La, CJ's in the Mulia, 30 (Tiga Puluh) in Le Meridien and Retro in Crowne Plaza. The Marriott has the No Name club, and the Hyatt has Burgundy, they aren't bad but much quieter.

BATs has live music, the girls are cute but you will be among dozens of fat pompous looking white business guys, what pisses me off most about them is I look just the same and I realise what a twat I must appear but such self awareness is all part of the fun and in no way detracts from the entertainment. CJ's also has live music and again attracts a good crowd, slightly more Indo guys here as well as Arabs, can get extremely busy. 30 Club is much the same, here you will find more Indian and African guys. I'm not terribly fond of Retro, the talent is excellent but the music is hard core, loud techno and I'm a bit too old for that. Almost but by no means all the girls in these clubs are available, even if they are non-pros they have come because these are the places where the rich bule hang out so don't be shy.

I will admit to not having much experience of brothels, my absolute favourite is Marabaya in the Melawei Hotel. I love the set up here, you stroll into the hotel and take a lift to the sixth floor to find a gloomy but snug little bar. Usually there's a couple of guys hanging out there having a beer but there's also about two dozen cuties there too. Average 7.5, all offering 'massage mister?', I've never had a massage there but always have alot of fun usually taking at least two girls for an hour to a back room. 300,000 each, tips are at your discretion. What I like about this place is that the girls are essentially freelance, they live at home and leave after their shift, often you can find some of them in bars and clubs later. There are two shifts 11am to 5pm, then 5pm to 11pm, be warned the Friday 5pm slot can be very busy. I find it's a great spot for a beer and some afternoon delight during the day. The other MPs I haven't visited. Stadium disco in the north of the city not far from the Mercure Rekso hotel has a mamasan operating some girls, I don't like the setup in this place so have never partaken, sorry.

Right now I concentrate my activities in Jalan Falatehan in Blok M, this is a crappy looking little street behind the bus station but don't be fooled. Other posters have correctly pointed out that this place is used mainly by ex-pat Brits, Aussies, Yanks and Kiwis but don't let that put you off, they are a welcoming bunch consisting of bikers, embassy staff, Texas oil guys and academics. Currently the most happening places are D's Place, My Bar, Sportsman and Top Gun. The place really gets going at about nine (seven on Sundays) and goes on till three or five in the morning. There is a good selection of girls, and price is 200,000 to 300,000, again some negotiation is required but really not much.

D's Place is my favourite, they have a bar downstairs and a disco upstairs and have got the early evening scene sewn up. The head guy, John, MC's the sexy dancing competitions and lady's lucky draws which are good old fashioned sexist fun. You'll be called on to make contributions to the pot, I recommend paying up, for an outlay of $5 you get yourself noticed as someone game for a laugh. I should point out that the bar staff here are cute as heck and lovely to talk to, they all have boyfriends and aren't in the business but are real easy on the eye. D's has a VIP room upstairs it's members only, membership $100, I haven't joined but I belive they have strippers and maybe a bit more, not sure but I'll try to find out.

From 12pm onwards you cannot beat My Bar, this place is really smoking right now. They have a dancefloor surrounded by mirrors where some really sexy girls dance with their own reflections, they also have wet t-shirt competitions and other attractions, this club is doing very well right now and well worth a visit. Other bars worth a mention are Sportsman although they have a no girl policy, but good sports coverage, in the unlikely event you'd rather watch Colin Montgomerie chasing a wee white ball than some of God's loveliest creations shaking their wee brown butts. Top Gun has an early evening scene with quite a few girls and good pool tables, Club Lafonta is a loud discoteque with a good few girls but due to the fact it's darker than a coal mine it's impossible to see whether they're dogs or hotties. Oscars is as dead as a doornail. It should be pointed out that with the exception of the staff all females in Jalan Falatehan are available, probably including the toothless old crone begging outside the bars. When you've scored avoid the taxis outside (see above) just walk round the corner, there's plenty of meter guys available.

Other places of note would be on Jalan Jaksa, otherwise known as the back packer area, this is a place I've never really warmed to, I don't know why, but there is action available. Do not waste your time with nearby Tanamur or JJ's, these were once the most happening places in Jakarta, but the action here is now zero, they are a complete disappointment.

Well that's it, I hope some new arrivals find this helpful. Like I said this is not the definitive guide, and I look forward to any corrections or ommisssions from the other guys here. Whatever, look after yourself and have a great time.

Gzono

10-06-04, 10:23

Bulai stick to you excellent reports.

PS What's your problem with Aussies-you think they are yobbos-compared to Brits?-you can't be serious. Soccer hooligans must be Aussies.

John Aldrich

10-06-04, 17:57

Surfer

Thank God I am a Brit. And my forefathers did not commit any crime to be shunted out of the country, lest I would have also been branded "uncivilised". Antecedents does matter I guess!!!!

But the suggestion to refrain from mentioning nationalities was because I thought sometimes guys could become offensive and burst out in the forum and spoil the cohesiveness here.

Anyway, All seem to align well. Thats great.

JAD, dont disappear like this. You are pretty valuable here.

John Aldrich

10-06-04, 18:11

Calico,

Yes, it was Bulai69 who discovered Oasis but I guess I frequent the place much more often than Bulai69 does it. In any case I never bothered to pick up the HP nos of any girls there.

Bulai69

10-06-04, 18:56

Calico - I've only been to Oasis 3 times over quite a long period. It's certainly consistent. John A, as he says, is much more conversant with the place than me although I did once get a girls number but when I called her she wanted far too much money to come to my hotel - I think it was a $100.00. Obviously I politely declined.

Dorman - an excellent summary I think. Only comment is that I find it amazing that you haven't scored in a mall (yet). With respect, I think you are not reading the signs. I mean it's not hard to tell what's on offer in My Bar and the like but it's all a bit more subtle when mall hunting. Have you tried the perfume girls using the "formula" I suggested a while ago? It can't fail; it's just a numbers game and as I'm sure you know, given your insight into the culture, there is no chance at all of humiliation even if they are not interested.

Surfer

10-06-04, 20:57

Dorman: Excellent summary indeed, though you omitted discussing Kota establishments like TC's and Kartika (perhaps you meant to limit yourself to Block M area). Also Lintas Melawai deserves mention, no?

Never been to my bar but will check it out next trip. I am also interested in the VIP room at D's but $100US to join is QUITE dear.

While the thing about 90% of the bule smoking may be an accurate estimate, I think there is no way that only 10% of the locals smoke.

Mangga

10-07-04, 04:23

Dorman's report was OK for beginners. But he needs to get over his ideas about Islam. (I won't use the words that first came to mind because it would be classed as flaming).

Firstly, the cleanliness of Indonesian girls has nothing to do with "Indonesia being muslim". Christian, Buddhist and Hindu girls in Indonesia are exactly the same.

Secondly, Indonesian girls are more likely to BBBJ not "despite being Muslims" but because they are Muslims. The reason so many Thai girls are not keen is that they are influenced by Buddhist ideas about the sacredness of the head.

Thirdly, where on earth did you get the idea that Indonesian girls are circumcised? There are only a tiny number of places in the world where female circumcision is practiced (mainly in Africa) and some are Muslim and some are not. But the practice has nothing to do with Islam, anywhere.

There are so many stereotypes about Islam that float around in today's world that they should not go unchallenged. (I'm an atheist by the way).

Anyway, on the positive side, Dorman is exactly right about the BBBJ skills of Indonesian women. Of course I've had an occasional poor or lacklastre blowjob in Indonesia (after a number of years experience), but generally speaking I'm amazed at the consistently high quality of Indonesian girls in this regard.

I had yet another good example the other day. Made a contact through a website. Met at the Excelso coffee bar at PI. She was a sweet innocent-looking girl, appeared much younger than her actual years. Lunch upstairs at the atrium restaurant, then I suggested she might like to have a look at my apartment. For the whole afternoon. She agreed immediately and in the taxi home happened to mention that she had her favourite porn VCD in her bag.

Well, needless to say, after the VCD was popped in the player it didn't take long before our hands were roving around each others bodies. Then without me saying a word, my pants were being unbuckled and a sweet soft mouth was being wrapped around my rock-hard cock. And she could suck cock! And her fresh-faced innocence just added to the effect. A little angel performing like a pro. (By the way, she likes sucking a beer too - and she's a Muslim.)

An hour on my sofa, another hour on my bed, spurting into her welcoming mouth, once then twice. And she came twice - clit in fine working order. What more could a man ask for? And payment? Forget it! A nice meal, some pleasant company and a good fuck is what she was after. But of course I'll bring some nice oleh oleh when I return on my next trip.

She liked being photographed too! A small example attached.

Ah! itulah Jakarta!

Dorman

10-07-04, 06:55

Surfer,

Yes after I sent the post I remembered T&C, I went there one Sunday afternoon, as I was under the impression that that was party time but the place was closed. I posted here concerning this but didn't get any info. I went the following Monday evening and it was open. I was the only bule guy there and got the impression the girls were a bit wary, I did get an enjoyable hour with a freelancer there and got her to visit me the next day. So what is the score? Is Sunday afternoon still the best time? As regards Lintas, I went there one night and it was dead, the barman said there hadn't been much action there in over a year. I agree about the smoking (though it relates to JC's post on Bali), if smoking was an olympic sport Indonesia would bag gold every time.

Bulai,

I am intrigued by the whole mall hunting scene, you're right Blok M is like shooting fish in a barrel and I would love to step up my game a bit. I have however a problem, for reasons I still haven't yet fathomed I've now got me a live in girlfriend. It's not so bad really but it curtails my hobby a bit, now I only get out once or twice a week 'to play pool and have a couple of beers', and I like to be sure I am actually going to get something. The procedure is always the same I go to Melawei hotel, book a room visit the sixth floor have fun, head to D's or My Bar, pick something up go to hotel, then back home pissed, happy and exhausted. My girlfriend's not stupid, when I returned home early the night of the fire in Melawei hotel, she smirked at me and said 'kasih an de loe'.

So how do you do it? Do you have a hotel room already lined up, or do you take them home? What's your strike rate? Do you have to promise to see them again (a bit tricky in my situation)? Are the perfume squirters hard work? Do you need fluent Bahassa? Mine is improving but not quite up to conversational level yet. I'm sure you have answered all these questions before, but you've published so many reports it would take a while to find the answers.

When I was in Bangkok I once got chatting to a girl in MacDonalds, within the hour we were back in my hotel and into the sack, I gave her a little something for her taxi of course. I was quite pleased with myself but was rather deflated when I saw her sitting at the same table chatting to blokes every day for the rest of my trip. I guess my point is this, are the mall girls pros? By which I mean do they set out to go to the malls with the express purpose of hooking up? Are they semi-pros, ie good time girls who are out shopping but not averse to a bit of charm? Or are they simply ordinary Indonesian girls whom you have managed to seduce over a cafe latte in Starbucks? If it is the last category then I bow down before you in abject awe, but in no way convinced that I could achieve the same results.

Like I said, sorry if I am asking you to repeat yourself, but mall hunting is something I'd really love to get into, present circumstances notwithstanding.

Calico

10-07-04, 08:01

Bulai 89,

Many thanks for your update.

Calico

Bulai69

10-07-04, 10:39

Gzono - I've no problem with Aussies (no offence meant with my recent photo!) or any race in particular though I think we all recognise broad national characteristics in every race. It's down to individuals, there are arseholes in all races. I think the biggest mistake people make is that "their" race is superior to everyone else's. Why ? It's certainly not my position: I would put the British (which I am) well down the list.

Dorman

10-07-04, 18:45

Look, I think I started this Australian thing and I might have upset some people, as I said at the time I really like Oz and do not mean any harm, Jeez when did you big Aussie guys all get so sensitive!?!

No stop, stop you're right - none of us bules can claim to be whiter than white (if that's not a contradiction in terms).

As a fat, red faced Mick I claim no higher ground in this discussion, mainly due to the fact I'm usually so drunk I can hardly get off the floor! I accept that Australians are in fact tender, empathetic souls truly in touch with their feminine sides. I can only berate the English bastards whose ancestors were too incompetent to arrest my good for nothing, sheep stealing great great grandfather (despite the best efforts of my great great grandmother, the best informer ever in the pay of Queen Victoria) and transport him thousands of miles to Botany Bay, thereby depriving me today of an Australian passport and the right to bore everyone in a bar senseless with my maundering, whining ballads about how terrible the Brits were!

Lets all lighten up guys shall we, eh?

Cat Scratch

10-08-04, 05:55

Mangga,

I would like to comment on your recent post. I agree with most of your points but I take issue with your assertion that Female circumcision (or FGM - female gential mutilation) is not a feature of Indonesian Muslim culture.

Some creditable NGO (forget which one) claim that up to 80% of Indonesian women are in fact circumcised.

Before I get howled down let me explain.

I too am an atheist, but in arriving at this position I have made it my business to study most of the major spiritual texts.

Mohammed (PBUH) wrote on the subject something like this: "if you must circumcise a woman make sure the cut is kind". This I interpret as meaning ritual circumcision and we can deduce from Mohammed's writings (PBUH) that the practice predates Islam and was common practice in the Saudi penisula at the time. Ironically Mohammed's (PBUH) teachings on the matter, although designed to lessen the physical impact of the proceedure, has significantly contributed to the institutionalisation of the practice.

As you correctly state FGM's epicentre is Africa. The practice is not limited to Islam, but can be found in christianity and anamistic religions. Its forms span from the ritualistic to the grossly disfiguring (with the whole clitoral organ and its root and the inner labia being removed and the outer labia being sown up with just a small gap left for urination and the menstal flow. Sex in these circumstances is a horror show and I don't want to make you sick describing it).

Back to Indonesia. As I have said up to 80% of all Indonesian women are circumcised. This generally takes the form of a ritualistic pin prick or knick of the clitoral hood early in the girls life. There are no lasting physical effects.

However there are some more extreme versions of the practice which involves nipping the head of the clitoris off with a scalpel or a pair of scissors. I am not sure how widespread this is but some Indonesain hospitals offer the service as part of the cost of the birthing service.

I have slept with some women who have had this proceedure. You can tell, particularly with your tongue that there is a small amount of scarring apparent. Cliitoral stimulation is not as pleasurable as it could be but the woman gains most of her pleasure from penetration. At least one of these women was able to reach orgasm.

I hope this information is of interest.

Cat

Dorman

10-08-04, 05:59

Wow, calm down Mangga, yeah I realise my report was ok for beginners, precisely because as I made blindingly obvious that's who my report was aimed at. I'm not at all sure what it is about Islam that I'm supposed to get over, as a hopelessly failed Catholic I carry no torch for any religion. I just calls it as I sees it, if you have a problem with that then maybe I can suggest some anger management techniques my brother learned after the judge warned him about his behaviour.

Look as I mentioned in the report I've had this discussion before about circumcision in Indonesia, it's something that seems to get Indonesian experts foaming at the mouth with rage, why I don't know. I have no intention going down that road again, I will say just this; you do not have to believe me I simply ask one thing, just one thing, why not try asking the girls themselves, try it, ask them. Ask them before you go ballistic and flame me, ok? You might be surprised by the answers you get I know I was.

Menteng

10-08-04, 06:40

Dorman, excellent report for newbies. Especially when they will stay in/near the places you've mentioned. Thanks for adding some info for me about jl. Paletehan. Maybe I should have been more persisting when negociating the price. Or maybe the girls just wanted to wait and hook a more solvable Bule or maybe they just didn't feel like entertaining a fellow countryman.

Mangga

10-08-04, 08:29

Cat Scratch,

I generally agree with your comments about circumcision and mutilation. Islam grew up in places that once practiced genital mutilation so Muhammad had to deal with the issue in his writings.

If by a "small pin prick" you mean circumcision, then you're right that the practice is widespread in Indonesia. Although I doubt it's 80% (ie 90% of Muslims). But the problem is that with all the wierd ideas that get around in the West about Islam, if you mention "circumcision" people assume that you mean full-on mutilation.

Thanks for your response Dorman. I had no intention to flame.

I too have discussed this with many Indonesian woman. In my experience, only a minority have had any attention in that area. And none had been mutilated or knew anyone who has been.

My point is that because there is a lot of rubbish talked about Islam doing this and Muslims doing the other that we need to avoid generalisations. Most generalisations are ill-informed and feed into the idea that Islam is some kind of screwed up, fanatical lunacy. "They're all bombers, terrorists, enemies of the West etc etc." In today's world, this loose talk is particularly dangerous.

I'm not attracted to religion but I can see why some people are. I just hope it's tolerant religion. There are just as many Christian fundamentalists as Islamic ones. And many are in power in the US at the moment - that's what is scary.

I think we should be very careful about making general statements about cultures or peoples (even Australians!). There is a danger that we are being dragged into this phoney, bullshit "clash of civilisations" by people in power with an agenda to pursue.

Anyway this is rootin' tootin' site, so let's enjoy our Indonesian sisters and long may their sweet little uncut clitties pulse!

Tonsil Basher

10-08-04, 08:49

Chalky was in Jakarta last week. Where's the posting? Or are you still getting thunderous applause from the audience? Never make 'em clap.

Jaimito Cartero

10-08-04, 09:01

I know when JAD took me on the quick tour through T&C, I had at least 10 pairs of hands on me as we did the whole tour. No reluctance, whatsoever. A few backed off, but that's a pretty good average for me! :)

I think I said 90% of Indonesian males seem to smoke. Maybe 10% of the women (or 60% of the WL). Maybe 60-70% of the bules. Mainly European and Aussies.

Here I am in sexless Tokyo waiting to go back tomorrow. Hopefully the weather will cooperate.

Wandering Brit

10-08-04, 09:35

I have to agree with Mangga (whose post I thought was quite restrained in tone and certainly not a flame) that we should be careful about sticking the islam tag on things.

You only have to see how smartly turned out the kids are on Bali (which is predominantly Budhist) as they head off to school to realise that you need to look elsewhere than religion to explain their extraordinary cleanliness. It never ceases to amaze me how even people who have to live in the most awful conditions manage this.

Thanks to Cat Scratch for a serious contribution on the serious subject of female circumcision in Indonesia. Those wanting to know more should look <a href="http://www.cirp.org/news/smh01-13-04/">here</a>. It clarifies that what is generally done in is by way of ritual and does not involve actual harm or mutilation, although there are of course other important issues raised by the practice. This is one of those topics where you have to walk a fine line between being judgemental without understanding the context and slipping into the quagmire of full out cultural relativism.

However before we get into a deep debate on anthropological methodology, I recommend we concentrate on the field work approach at which this group excels; and to which I can add a little.

I've several times found myself to be the only bule in T&C (although not easy to be sure in the stygian gloom!) but I've always enjoyed the experience. I'm a few years out of date but planning a trip in a couple of weeks after which I hope to be able to make a more extensive and up to date report.

Anyone who'll be in JKT around 20 October and wants to share a beer can PM me.

Luv China Pussy

10-08-04, 10:24

JC,

Are you sexless in Tokyo because it's generally expensive to bonk a WL in Tokyo or because you prefer freebies and there's hardly any freebies opportunities in Tokyo, which could be due to language factor.

Anyway, Jap pussies are hot. I for one would not let my trip to Tokyo go to waste if i ever arrive on the land of the rising sun. Still waiting for my first Jap pussy, hopefully one that can squirt.

Kl Tonight

10-08-04, 13:07

Hi all,

Brief report on my mongering trip in the last 3 days.

I arrived on 1030 morning. As usual, attended meeting craps etc. By 300 pm, I am already in Plaza Indonesia. Maybe the timing is not correct, does not seem to have many action around. Sit around in Dome Cafe and check out Sogo perfume lady, nothing of interest. Left at 4.30 pm. Maybe I should stay until 6 pm where the office nearby is off?

First night, hang out in Melawai Hotel 6th floor, i have been here before, it seem the quantity is maintained, but quality seem poorer compared to my last visit 2 months ago. Still, there are a few 7 and 8 lookers. Had a beer, move on to the karaoke bar behind hotel. This is the Japanese/Korea area. When I pass by, all the lovely girl call out "konbanwa" or "a na sai yo". Lots of nice sweet looking girls. Settled in Maimun, take a room, 1 pitcher of Bintang + fruits + room + girl = RP350k, the will accompany you and let you do/kiss etc, not FJ/BBBJ. My girl from Solo, nice petite body with big eyes. All bars here closed at 1 am. Perfect ! I asked the girl back to hotel which she duly agree.

When I am out waiting for the girl to change, I must say, each bar at least employ 30-50 girls at anytime, and there are easily about 10 here. It is quite a sight because ALL the beauties get off from the work at the same time. I understand a lot of them go to CJ, Stadium etc after the work. Most of them here know some english and japanese.

Back to hotel. Good GFE feeling. Had shower and proceed with some chit chat (I speak some Bahasa). Proceed for the real deal. Face and body 7/10, proceeded with ok BBBJ and FJ. Very tired, non stop action since arriving Jakarta. Next morning had breakfast with her in the hotel and paid her RP200k for taxi. She din ask for any extra, guess it is sort like 1 night stand?

The next night, went to Pisa Menteng, nice restaurant with live band. Food is ok and the band belt out some good old numbers. Then I proceeded to My Bar and D Place. It is swarming with girls, easily 10 to 1 ratio. Mostly foreign crowd. Spotted a few cuties. A few of them approached me like "Mister, lonely? You want me to follow you?". I was quoted RP400k for the night. Had few beer, move on to D Place. Downstair seem quiet, proceed upstair. Does not like what I see, proceed to Top Gun, then back to My Bar.

Picked up a girl who dance on the dance floor, the ass really can rocks!! Back to hotel via taxi opposite Ambraha hotel. It was satisfying nights as the girl very GFE and we tried all the usual stuff. Most girl I talked to in that area can understand some English, it makes the whole process easier and friendlier. I will definitely back to Jl Faletahan the next trip.

Next day, after my job is done, thought of going to Oasis as recommended by members here, but not enough time, so proceeded to airport. I think if you are here on duty, it is definitely worthwhile to extend it at least 2 days to really enjoy the scene here. Ciao

LC

Surfer

10-08-04, 18:26

Mangga's points are well taken IMHO; then again, the fixation on Isalm keeps the masses of sex tourists in Thailand and the PI so why disabuse them of their prejudices? There are too many bule in Indonesia, especially in Bali. I do have some mixed feelings as the foreign exchange they earn from tourism improves the living standards of the people who, IMHO, are among the nicest you'll ever meet (along with the Khymers & Kiwis). I've got Ozzie, Canuck & Pom friends too, but as a collective whole Indonesians of all ethnicities (though I've had no contact with the Dayak of Irian Jaya) are very warm people who are hospitable to bule who respect their culture.

An anecdote: A LOVELY 20 YO from Semerang whom I had brought back to Mercure from TCs (I NEVER use those dingy little cubicles-less than $1 RT in taxi and take out fee not much more). This Muslim hottie had my cock in her mouth for hours and the The only concession she sought was when the call to prayer came on the TV she asked to stop and pray. This is the Islam of a large portion of Javanese (enclaves of conservatism near Solo). Sundanese and Sumatrans from some areas (like Aceh) may be more Islamic, but there are VERY few Wahhabiists even in conservative areas. Selamat jalan.

Cuckold

10-08-04, 18:26

Hi all,

Im a 30 something european expat in jakarta looking for an open minded guy to join me for drinks afterwork sometimes (bats? club 30?), flirting with the local ladies and maybe some 3 some fun.

If you are interested, lets meet!

j

Bulai69

10-08-04, 18:27

Wandering Brit - sorry to nit pick - but Bali is predominantly Hindu

Bulai69

10-08-04, 18:45

On the subject of BBBJ, I really must say that there is no correlation whatever (in my experience) between a girl’s willingness and her religion. Of course, if they don’t want to do it they will develop a plausible (they think) excuse and having a religion different from the guy they are with fits the bill. That's all there is to it IMHO.

Because, generally speaking, Indonesian girls are keen to please, they are far more disposed to do it than most. Again, that’s my experience.

To quantify it, not that I maintain an auditable record, I would say 85% do. Of course that covers a very wide spectrum of “types” from 100% hookers to “genuine, nice” girls who don’t even require payment. And another generalisation: I’ve found that you’re even more likely to get BBBJ from the latter than the former. Which is one of many reasons I put the effort in to find the latter rather than going for the easy option. Hence my interest (obsession) with mall hunting.

Bulai69

10-08-04, 20:43

Dorman – re MALL HUNTING

As you say I have written on this many times so sorry for boring those who have read it before

I always stay in a hotel. That removes one obstacle. I used to share a house with another guy who had a serious mental affliction: i.e. his interests did not coincide with mine. So I sympathise with your predicament and have suggestions to address that problem. Bad move to get locked in to one girl by the way – but I understand how you can get sucked in to it!

Regarding location: either book in a decent cheap hotel first (e.g. IBIS Arcadia which is well located) or find your girl first. Best to book first and then have a back up plan if your mall hunt fails. The back up can be a provisional “booking” of an existing “girlfriend” – maybe 2 or 3 given their inherent unreliability. Or as a (very) last resort, you could fall back on an outcall service.

Finding the girl. You asked, whether they go to malls with the express purpose of hooking up, whether they’re semi-pros, i.e. good time girls who are out shopping but not averse to a bit of charm, or ordinary Indonesian girls etc. The answer is “yes”! You can get any of these and I certainly don’t restrict myself to any one type – you must be opportunist. An important distinction is between customers and sales promotion girls (SPG) in terms of “plan of attack”.

For a “new starter”, SPG’s are best but you obviously won’t get them back to the hotel there and then. They are captive and THEY WANT YOU. Or rather, your money. Usually, they are on highly geared commission only – especially in perfumery. So “breaking the ice” is non-issue. Look at the products near a girl you like and she’ll be after you. Women’s products NOT men’s. The conversation then goes like this EVERY time:

SPG: for your wife?
YOU: saya belum kawin or just tidak ada;
SPG: (feigning surprise and anticipation) no wife?! What about for your girlfriend;
YOU: tidak ada.
SPG: Why? Don’t believe you.
YOU: tapi saya cari gadis cantik sama kamu and then offer to buy it for her IF she promises to go out with you that night.

Conservatively, 20% of the time they will say “yes” after some hilarity and banter. 75% will give you their hp number. If your BI is too limited to proceed just stick with English from this point – certainly in PI and PS they nearly all speak it well. Still good to start in the way I said though. Now judgement is required as there is obviously a risk of spending the money and not getting the girl. However, this has never happened to me and I think it’s rare. They know (believe) you could make big trouble for them with the boss if they messed you around. The meeting could be a waste of time and money but this risk is present with any pick up.

The process for picking up “customers” is much simpler but requires a) more acute observation of the signs; b) more confidence. It’s the same no matter what “type” they are but obviously the nearer the “pro” end of the spectrum the more obvious the signs. One important point which is the main cause of “failure”, even if you have the confidence, is that in the better malls the signs are never THAT obvious to a “new starter”. The reason (I assume) is that even the semi-pro’s don’t want to get hassle from Security by making themselves too obvious. Naturally the non-pro’s never make it obvious and in extreme maybe have no intention at all of getting picked up.

So the process is simple: smile, if you get a response, say hello, if the response is appropriate, ask them for a coffee and you are away. If you are already in a coffee shop, smile and if you get a response, beckon them over and ask them to join you. It’s difficult to quantify hit rate because it’s a function of how much “risk” you take. Obviously if you only interact with ones you get a strong response from, the hit rate will be higher but the absolute number of “scores” will be lower than if you “shoot at everything that moves” I tend to be risk averse in that respect. But remember, if you approach them in the way I describe, they will never, ever make a scene or cause embarrassment. Not like UK where you’d get knee’d in the bollocks and they’d call the police! Once you get talking there is a very good chance you’d get them back to the hotel on some pretext. Don’t talk about money unless they do. As a very rough guide, if you spent 4 hours in PI or PS you could, on average, collect hp numbers from 4 girls and get one back to your hotel. The vast majority of girls I’ve picked up in PI & PS are not pro’s in the sense that they have jobs and are happy to go out with a bule from whom they might get presents or taken somewhere they can’t afford or just for cash (disguised as “taxi money”).

If you want to de-risk the process even more, go to Atrium mall – but you’ll be much more at the “pro” end of the spectrum: easier, cheaper, lower quality. (I’m not knocking any of that by the way!) It's very easy to spot the girls who go there to get picked up.

There is absolutely no reason why you can’t do it. I look forward to reading your next post!