2002-2006 Jakarta Reports [Archive] - Page 8

XXL

01-13-05, 16:11

Doorman, your story is exactly the kind of experience one is likely to remember all one's life. If innocence has to be lost sooner or later, what better way to do so than in bed with a complete stranger?

The process may be more reciprocal than we suspect: I feel I've lost much of my residual innocence myself since I started patronising Jakarta (this was intended as irony but on second reading, I wonder).

I guess many Indonesian "nice girls" may consider going to bed with a stranger - preferably a foreigner - as some sort of graduation, a trial opening a door to higher things.

RasSpewtin: I was never in the Philippines but I have been told that the Philippines were the closest to Indonesia on a couple of points like condom (dis)usage and girls' appearance. I can confirm the latter after watching a few of the pics in the Philippines' forum. If I remember right, the Phillipino language belongs to the same language family as Bahasa Indonesia and both population stocks are related. Personnaly, I stick to Indonesia because I have invested much time in learning the language and I feel that gives me a headstart which I would be losing in the Philippines. And I feel I could still be visiting Jakarta in ten years' time and barely have scratched the surface of what's available there.

xxl

John Aldrich

01-13-05, 20:40

Talking about semi pro's, I guess Jakarta has full of them. I was in the tavern bar last Friday night, when I found this girl sitting in a corner and sipping away her drink and looked depressed. I picked up my drink and sat next to her table. One glance and I smiled at her and she reciprocated. I moved to her table and as I was talking to her figured out that she had broken up with her boy friend and had come to tavern to over come her depression. I asked her whether she had food and she said no. I offered her food and she said no. I then told her that she could come out with me and maybe talk to me in private and that would make her feel better. That clicked. I remembered I had some food in my fridge at my place and so drove straight back with her. I offered her a few drinks and insisted she eat whatever food I had. And that she did. Figured out her name was Rina. Third drink down and I drew her towards me and kissed her. And that's it. She was all over me. Had 3 sessions. At five in the morning she said she needed to go back. And the amazing thing was I offered her 300K and she took it without batting an eyelid.

I thought she was a semi pro. She then splashed her card to me. And it said her name was Rina, and she worked for Jinan Saloon at Tega Alur in Jakarta Barat. Am still confused whether she was a semi pro or an amateur or maybe a pro itself. But my feeling tells me she is a pro. Menteng, Dorman and the other regulars here,in case you need her number, I can pass it on. And maybe you could check on her and if she responds that would give the story whether she is a pro or a semi pro or an amateur. She did not have any make up on her. Only a lip gloss. that's it.

Caiman

01-13-05, 21:49

I’m obliged to dig the details and get down to write the sequel. The pressure is mounting due to backlog of subsequent FRs for account took place elsewhere.

Arrived at my pal’s apartment located somewhere in JKT Central and had just enough time to refresh. My host had actually worked out a master plan for the night and I was ready for this uptown ride. Gave him the chance to extend his hospitality though I had little doubt on his worthiness in this aspect as he has been around the town for quite some time.

The plan was to hook up with one of his girls and a new lady friend. The meeting took place in a café in an apartment/hotel called Astorium (can’t quite recall). Had nice dinner & interesting conversation as my partner of the night turned out to be a playful & lovely 18 years old petite in fitting minis by the name of Dewi. She has oriental look (fair & jet black hair + big round eyes) and boy! was she HOT??. I could see my pal forming ideas & plans for his future lateral expansion while his girlfriend pretended not to notice. Can’t blame him if he wished he were in my shoes that night.

The atmosphere was relaxed so there was no worry or hurry.

It was getting chilly and naturally the time was right to hit home, for better of worse.

Got back to the apartment and started a mild ice-breaking merry making. 4 of us had small talks in the lovely living room. After a good while, those two “lovebirds” excused themselves to retire and left us alone as we seem to be hitting it off fairly well from there.

Only then I had the chance to get know my newly found friend better. Found out we had some kind of misconception about each other. She thought I was “sombong” etc. much to my surprise but my natural charms (hic!) quickly took care of it. We sat and talked about the weather, birds & the bees.. life in general & details. The conversation continued on into the bedroom but took a dramatic turn, as we got really comfortable with each other by then. She then slipped underneath the cover and politely asked if it was OK to take them clothes off, to prevent the rough spots said she.

What choice did I have ……??

She insisted on switching off the lights. Had to pretend that I’m afraid of the dark, she couldn’t help laughing out loud … well! Settled on letting the bedroom door ajar to let enough lights come streaming in.. It didn’t take long for caressing and us to start kissing. Her silken body glowed in the faint early morning lights and no spot left unexplored. There were her soft murmur and purring filling the air ….. music to my ears.

We made love! Free & easy ….

She was no tiger in bed but she knew what it takes to make a man feel special. Can’t really find suitable enough words to weave, to express how it was like. Suffice to say everything that we did that night was exactly what any sensible lovers would do. I don’t think it is over the top to say that it was almost like falling in love all over again …. Ouch! There were butterflies in my tummy and my heart was thumping like a big bass drum. My pride & joy was in the mood for love too and eager to please.. returning the favour.

She left early in the morning as my pal didn’t want any liability on a working day but she didn’t leave without a tender, warm kiss and hug. There was no discussion about money but it was more or less understood somehow. Handed out USD 100 as appreciation fee since I didn’t have enough Rp on me but most of all, I had to carry my pal’s reputation high and place it on the pedestal. Anyway, what was more important, odd but true I still found myself grinning from ear to ear for the rest of the day.

Kinda like this town even more now.

Part III coming up ....

-Caiman

Blake7

02-07-05, 11:34

Will be in Jakarta at the end of the month and am thinking of staying at the Shangri-La. girl Friendly? Also how is BATS there? I have never been to Jakarta before so am looking for some easy action. advice much appreciated!

Mangga

02-08-05, 11:02

Wow, looks like I'm the first to get back onto the Jakarta thread! I've been trying to get on to make the observation that the Jakarta thread is one of the friendliest and most laid-back forums on WSG.

As I'm planning a trip to Thailand I thought I'd check out the Bangkok and Pattaya threads. Man, there are some misanthrops and misogynists and flamers and other undesirables on those threads. I suppose it's because those places get so many one-time tourists from small-town USA etc who have no idea how to behave in the big wide world outside Nebraska.

Since Jakarta is hardly the greatest city in the world (apart from what all we mongers know...), you have to be a more hardy long termer who is actually willing to fit in with locals etc. Maybe even learn a bit of the language and treat the cewek with a bit of respect. I saw a lot of absence of human respect in some of the Thai contributers. Just because a girl wants to fuck a foreigner for money or fun doesn't mean she is some piece of crap.

Anyway, let's keep our discussions friendly and helpful as always. Salam to all the champion mall-mongers and explorers of the delights of the greatest women in the world.

But also thanks to the helpful guy from the Pattaya thread who told me that the go go girlies are still dancing in the nude in Pattaya. That's why I'm off there for a few days. Hoping that maybe the Thai fucklets have improved their cock-sucking skills. After 5 years of wonderous Indonesian blowjobs, I have high standards!

Jaimito Cartero

02-09-05, 21:04

I've got a trip planned for Thailand next month, and am looking into getting a ticket for a week to come to Jakarta. I would have just gotten a trip to Indonesia, but my normal carrier doesn't fly there from the US, and a partner airline is pretty expensive.

Does anyone else have any inexpensive airline flights from BKK to CGK? The best I've found from a Thail T/A is about $200 RT, on Emirates. I'm not sure if their service is decent or not. $255 for Garuda.

Member #2897

02-10-05, 04:36

Dont waste your time in the Hilton with a massage. The girls are useless masseurs and want incredible amounts of money for FS (Close to USD100!!!). Better outside. I heard also this hotel is now boycotted by most Western Multinationals after a shooting in the Disco. Apparently covered up, as per the norm if its someone rich and powerful behind it.

Constantijn

02-10-05, 12:29

Cartero,

As you can see, Emirates is a direct flight and Garuda is always via Singapore. Here is the schedule.

Flight Departing Arriving Stops / Aircraft Duration Seats available
1st Biz Eco

Thai Airways Intl
TG 433 Bangkok Int'l (BKK), Bangkok, Thailand
Terminal 1 08:30
Soekarno-Hatta Int'l (CGK), Jakarta, Indonesia
Terminal 2 12:00
Non-stop / AB6 3h30min N/A Yes Yes

Emirates
EK 344 Bangkok Int'l (BKK), Bangkok, Thailand
Terminal 2 20:05
Soekarno-Hatta Int'l (CGK), Jakarta, Indonesia
Terminal 2 23:35
Non-stop / 332 3h30min N/A Yes N/A

Thai Airways Intl
TG 413 Bangkok Int'l (BKK), Bangkok, Thailand
Terminal 1 11:00
Soekarno-Hatta Int'l (CGK), Jakarta, Indonesia
Terminal 2 16:05
1 stop(s) / 777 5h05min N/A Yes Yes

Singapore Airlines
SQ 063 Bangkok Int'l (BKK), Bangkok, Thailand
Terminal 2 11:15
Changi (SIN), Singapore, Singapore
Terminal 2 14:40
Non-stop / 773 4h45min Yes Yes Yes
Singapore Airlines
SQ 160 Changi (SIN), Singapore, Singapore
Terminal 2 15:25
Soekarno-Hatta Int'l (CGK), Jakarta, Indonesia
Terminal 2 16:00
Non-stop / 772 Yes Yes Yes

Singapore Airlines
SQ 065 Bangkok Int'l (BKK), Bangkok, Thailand
Terminal 2 13:30
Changi (SIN), Singapore, Singapore
Terminal 2 16:55
Non-stop / 773 4h50min Yes Yes Yes
Singapore Airlines
SQ 162 Changi (SIN), Singapore, Singapore
Terminal 2 17:45
Soekarno-Hatta Int'l (CGK), Jakarta, Indonesia
Terminal 2 18:20
Non-stop / 345 N/A Yes Yes

Garuda Indonesia
GA 829 Bangkok Int'l (BKK), Bangkok, Thailand
Terminal 2 13:40
Changi (SIN), Singapore, Singapore
Terminal 1 16:55
Non-stop / 734 4h50min N/A R R
Garuda Indonesia
GA 831 Changi (SIN), Singapore, Singapore
Terminal 1 17:55
Soekarno-Hatta Int'l (CGK), Jakarta, Indonesia
Terminal 2 18:30
Non-stop / 733 N/A Yes Yes

Mighty Spearsman

02-10-05, 14:22

To Jaimito Cartero:
Emirates Air is a decent airline, with much better service than Garuda (which has terrible service).

To Blake7:

BATS is one of the biggest meat-market-type of pick-up places in Jakarta, and yes, Shangri-la is a girl-friendly hotel.

Besides BATS, I recommend that you check out Kartika Massage parlor, which offers Thai-style full massage, also Blok M. You may also have luck picking up a "freelancer" girl at one of the malls such as Plaza Indonesia, and end up having a young cutie spend all night with you, with her only expectation being that you donate 200,000 to 300,000 rupiah for taxi fare in the morning.

As always, I offer you the friendly suggestion to RTFF. It may take a few minutes but there's a lot of good info here on the Jakarta board. And please don't overpay for a girl here; remember the average monthly wage is around $50 U.S., so don't get suckered in by one of the girls who demands 1 million rupiah.

Jaimito Cartero

02-11-05, 08:10

I can get a coach award ticket for 20k miles, a business class for 30k (Garuda). Or spend a bit less than $200 on an Emirates coach ticket. I earn miles pretty quickly, so I'm not too worried about the miles. The Emirate flights aren't too badly timed (though I do get back to BKK at 4:30am in the morning.).

Thanks for the help as usual!

Key Master

02-12-05, 10:20

I had just bought a ticket and I think those are excellent prices. The best quote I got was about $250 for Garuda. I chose Thai Air for about $285 that was supposedly a special, but now reading your quotes feel like I could have done so much better. I actually shopped a few places too. Where are you getting these price quotes from in Bangkok, Jamito?

Jaimito Cartero

02-12-05, 23:58

Well I got a few BKK based travel agents off of flyertalk.com

This one:
info@travelconnecxion.com

Charlie at Travel Connecxion was the only one that mentioned Emirates. All the others had Garuda at 10k baht, or Thai at 12k or so.

He quoted me a price of 7500 baht. As I always do, I checked a few sites (Expedia and Travelocity), plus the airlines own website.

It turns out you can book it direct on the Emirates website for 7050 baht. I believe you can get etickets and pay by credit card too. They don't fly there everyday, so you do have to tailor your flight a bit. Departures are 8pm or so, and return are after midnight. I prefer these hours, but some people might not.

You can credit Emirates flight to a Continental Airlines FF account, if that's important to you.

My frequent flyer plan came through with Business Class (or First Class, not sure) tickets on Garuda that only cost me 30k miles and not a penny in taxes (famous last words). I'll probably give them a shot, just for the hell of it. I always like to check out new airlines.

Jaimito Cartero

02-13-05, 00:01

Cartero,

As you can see, Emirates is a direct flight and Garuda is always via Singapore. Here is the schedule.

I haven't flown my itinerary yet, but there are some Garuda flights that are direct. At least that's what the flight times indicate, and my frequent flyer agent told me.

If you look at flights GA853/GA852 they show a flight time of 3 hours 25 minutes, which is the correct time for a nonstop 1452 mile flight.

Travel to Monger

02-14-05, 17:25

Hung Man 1808

02-14-05, 21:48

guys,

i need to do a bit of work in jakarta. i'm planning to stay at the atlet century park, which i know has modem ports. however, being used to broadband speeds, and experiencing the excruciatingly slow dial up speeds in indonesia before, i need another option.

i am considering heading over the plaza senayan for a coffee and the day's work instead. i have found indications of broadband wireless hotspots there, but for some there are indications you need to have an isp account in indonesia (e.g cbm). starbucks are known for their cafe hotspots, but i do not know if the cafes in jakarta have this facility.

can anyone provide any further intelligence on using hotspots in plaza senayan easily, or any other locations within easy reach of the atlet? i've used the internet access in the basement at plaza pasaraya before (which worked fine), but getting there daily was a monumental pain in the ass.

any information appreciated. thanks in advance.

Air Sygn

02-15-05, 04:40

Can anyone tell me if it would be relatively safe to walk from Jalan Pelatehan (Ds Bar, My Bar, etc.) to the Hotel Ambhara in a somewhat drunken condition in the middle of the night?

Approximately how long does it take to walk between Jalan Pelatehan the Hotel Ambhara?Relative safety depends upon relative drunken condition. If the latter is significant, then the former will be poor. Under normal conditions, it's a 5 min walk or so to the Ambhara; using the crossover-bridge opposite Pasaraya adds a couple of minutes. But at night, street lighting is poor in the area & you'll need to be aware of outbound traffic from the Blok M bus terminal as well. So I'd not recommend walking it then if you're much less than fairly sober, or without a mate who is. She might be willing to guide you, but almost certainly would rather arrive at the Ambhara in a taxi.

Jaimito Cartero

02-15-05, 10:25

I am considering staying at the Hotel Ambhara during my next trip to Jakarta given its proximity to Jalan Pelatehan.

Can anyone tell me if it would be relatively safe to walk from Jalan Pelatehan (Ds Bar, My Bar, etc.) to the Hotel Ambhara in a somewhat drunken condition in the middle of the night?

Approximately how long does it take to walk between Jalan Pelatehan the Hotel Ambhara?

Appreciate your input.

Travel To Monger

Well I believe they're quite close. I stayed at Ambhara and walked through the bus station. I had taken JAD's tour, but had switched hotels and didn't know that D's was so close.

The street is very dangerous. I crossed it in the evening sober, but don't think I'd want to try it drunk. There is an overpass you can use too.

Just remember to book Ambhara at the airport or train station. I think I paid about 500k a night. If you look at my reports from last September exact pricing should be in there.

Mr Ed Wadd

02-15-05, 11:42

Try http://www.airasia.com/english.php?f=flight&p=schedules

Air Asia flies via KL, two separate flights for less than USD160 total.

If you don't have the time go with Thai.

Have fun,

EdWadd

I've got a trip planned for Thailand next month, and am looking into getting a ticket for a week to come to Jakarta. I would have just gotten a trip to Indonesia, but my normal carrier doesn't fly there from the US, and a partner airline is pretty expensive.

Does anyone else have any inexpensive airline flights from BKK to CGK? The best I've found from a Thail T/A is about $200 RT, on Emirates. I'm not sure if their service is decent or not. $255 for Garuda.

Zero

02-16-05, 06:08

Hello guys,
It's been quite sometimes since my last mongering report.
I been very busy with my works, but hey that's another story.
I also encounter many problem in accessing the forum, which I hope Jackson will fix it soon.
Anyway Yesterday, I decided to treat myself in my favourite joint, The Sumo.
Arrived at around 3 pm, the place was quiet only a handful of PRC girls was around.
Not too many PRC girls I told at this time because of the Chinese new year.
I was quickly greet by a nice mamasan name Lily, the only mamasan that speak english & bahasa.
As many of you might know, I went there for the Russian girls, my favourite meal.
I know some of you question my choice of girls because as I quote from Dorman & Mangga:

"You're right on Mangga,
it's incomprehensible to me why any one would want to pay European prices to screw hard faced Russian bitches
when for a tenth of the price there are some of God's loveliest creations with smiles to melt a heart of stone all around the place.
I guess it must be an ego thing for the local Indonesian and Chinese guys."

But you know if you eat Indonesian food all the time, once in a while it would be nice to have
Russian food ;) if you know what I mean...
Anyway, at 3 o'clock the Russian girls were not to be found,
according to Mama Lily, they might be trap at the traffic jam.
The girls is from Crown Hotel at kota
(JAD can you enlighten me on this hotel, I heard it would be cheaper to get a Russian here, Thank you)
So I decided to fill time by some nice traditional massage by a local girl..boy what a big mistake.
My feeling was nobody went to Sumo for massage, So by the receptionist's advice I chose number 6
Small little girl with a perky boobs. Since the moment I saw her, it was all disaster.
She was not kind and nice, and instead of massage that I want, it got a tsunami storm from her.
I still have the sore muscle all over my body to prove it.
Anyway from 90 minutes that I supposedly got, I only survive 30 minutes.
Had I gone 90 minutes, I think I wouldn't able to walk today.
Oh one thing, toward the excruciating last minutes with her, it become obvious to me she want FS than massage.
Ordinary massage is 200K/90 minutes while FS could go to 700K/90 minutes.
So I bargain with her to 500 for erotic/body massage (with her boobs, butts)
But she decline furiously, so, I got dress and walk away, mad, disappointed and sore like hell.
So I went to the Lazy-boy room and talk with Lily again,
of course she told me that I should listen to her at the 1st place.
"Take PRC girls instead of the local, better service" oh well it is something for my note...
So, at 3.45 the Russian are still not to be found, so I decided to order drink and talk to Lily regarding the girls.
To my surprise, the girls there can be taken out, but evenmore surprising are the price 7.5 mio per day, jeez!
At 4, the first flock of Russian finally arrived to my delight.
Lily introduce me to all of them and I got a chance to have a nice chit-chat with them.
most of them are very young, I mean as young as 17,
I don't know if that is legal or not. I mean I like them young but I don't want to get any trouble.
Most of them have child too, Lily said it was very common for the Russian girls.
Among the many Russian that I got a chance to talk to, one particular 19 year old, stand out.
Her name is Christina. She has this bubbly personality that I like, very nice, friendly and playful.
She is 5.6" on her heels but around 5.1" without. Nice young petite body with small boobs ( A at the most)
but have well rounded butts to make up for it. she is also have 1 child, but I don't care.
So we go to the VIPs rooms, very nice room like 5 star hotel with a large bathtub.
I heard from JAD that most of the Russian are 'wham-bam-thank you ma'am' service so I took a limb when I ask her
to soak in the bathtub with me for a while. She accept cheerfully to my delight.
So we soak ourselves there for a while, have a great conversation with her, which I found out she was
smart also, she can speak some Indonesian, Mandarin, English, and of course Russian.
After trading some dirty words in many languages, we went to the bed.
It's quite hard to explain what happened next, she is a tiger at bed.
And what I mean is, she is into dominatrix, and bite me a lot.
At first it was nice and playful but it was not my cup of tea, in the border line of scary :) I must say.
I mean it was weird that I had a hard time to "get-up", but after I told her she was nice enough to
tone it down a bit and even gave me a BBBJ ( she refuse it earlier)
After she mount me cowgirls style I blew my load a happy man, although I wish I can ride her butts, oh well maybe next time I visit.
So All in all, I went home a happy man. Please note that if you went there to get the local girls, just forget it.
I believe it was much better in your ordinary joint like Kartika, less expensive too.
As for the PRC and Russian, I think Sumo still one of the best in term of price and the quality of girls.
One thing that separate them is Russian don't ask for tip while PRC will hawk you until your throw some substantial tips.
I hope you enjoy the long reports,
Cheers!

John Aldrich

02-18-05, 22:31

Jackson,

Please do something about logging into the forum. There have been some exciting moments that I have been wanting to share but it gets depressing when am unable to log in into the forum and over the period of time one could forget the rendezvous incidents.

And folks, just in brief, try de basic bar next to citibank in Block M, you will find a whole of girls in the bar and outside too. Just about 200K for LT and they are gorgeous too both in terms of looks and in the bed. Had Winda and Eli and both were just wonderful and Winda was too good for the BJ. And the next day found Winda in Bats looking for 1 million. She saw me and came to me and I offered her 200K and she said please offer me 300. Took her to Menteng I for LT and gave her 500. Service was just fantastic.

I guess girls on the street, when landing up in Bats think they need to be highly priced. Product segmentation I guess.

Jaimito Cartero

02-21-05, 06:05

Fun Times69

02-21-05, 10:03

I rarely post info but aim to change that soon with a visit to jakarta/bali

I've seen references to a bar in blok m called 5+1 on another site mentioned by John A I think. Has anyone heard of it? Also a massage place called 'delta'. They both sound fabulous so any information would be appreciated.

Thanks everyone for the brilliant tips etc posted over the time I've been reading. They're definately going to aid my enjoyment :-)

Joel Goodsen

02-21-05, 12:10

John, i don't post much on this board - i do on a local australian- but i'm an enthusiastic reader of your posts since the early beginnings of the Jakarta thread.

The citibank - is that perhaps the bank on the corner of Palatehan I, close to the Pasaraya station?

From memory, it looked like a citibank..

The reason I ask is about 2 weeks ago, Wednesday 2nd i think, i was passing by there -the bank on the corner- around 7.30 pm when a flock of gorgeous 'cewek' called me over.

They all looked very appealing, but one girl in particular had caught my eye. She looked very happy -all smiles, sedikit malu- and had relatively large breasts. I took her out for a short time (had other plans for the nite), but as it appeared her name was Eli and she told me she was 18 years old.

I remember her well, because she had a top body and became -like so many semi's- soaking wet during the love making.

Unfortunately I didn't bring the camera that evening.

Of course, it's most likely not. I know that there are so many girls out there named 'Eli'. But the combination of outside citibank and Eli is too much of a coincidence not to bring it up. cheers.

..

BTW, Jaimito - if you're sharing a computer with others, don't forget to ctrl-C something innocent after you've finished. The info remains on the clipboard, you know. Happened to me once .. ha,ha!

John Aldrich

02-21-05, 19:20

Joel Goodson,

The citibank is in the extension of JL Melawai, not towards Ambhara, but after you cross the signal near Block M Plaza. It is not an ATM only. It also is an office of Citibank.

Your description of Eli matches. Guess its he same one. I called her last nite and she said she has to have the mandatory timeout of 3 days starting today. Menstruation I guess. I went to tavern pub in Aryaduta and picked up a girl called Wati. She asked for 500, I offered her 300. But was pretty good in the bed and got wet pretty fast. Told me she had a taken a break for over 10 days. Gave her 400K. Though had negotiated for 300 LT. Had her 3 times and she was pretty good.

Have you folks tried siska in Maribaya. Though a little over weight, she is a real performer in the bed. Comes in the 5 to 12 shift. Great BJ and too good for a 3 some. A lot if interest in the lesbo show which they normally do for you during the break if you go for a threesome.

Calico

02-22-05, 05:15

Many thanks to everyone keeping this forum running again.

Nice to know also that many seniors are still active.

John Aldrich - regarding de basic bar at blok m, what time is the best time to be there ? Thanks is advance.

Calico

Jaimito Cartero

02-22-05, 05:51

BTW, Jaimito - if you're sharing a computer with others, don't forget to ctrl-C something innocent after you've finished. The info remains on the clipboard, you know. Happened to me once .. ha,ha!

That's a good point, I guess. If I use a public computer, I don't much care, as it would only have my report in it, and nothing else.

Bra Bus

02-22-05, 06:13

Tried Mawar MP in Fatmawati area near DBest, ask the reception for the best service girl turned out it was waste of time. the vip room is quite nice with a bathromm and tv and a private xxx channel as well, however the girl did nothing except rubbing and HJ only. What a waste, beware of this place and better of going to galaxy where they offer better service. I think the girl name is Linda.

Menteng

02-22-05, 11:16

BraBus,

Very interesting what you wrote about the Galaxy MP. I happened to meet the GM of it recently, while watching together some sexy dancers in my favourite bar. I asked him about the possibilities in his place and he said that a HJ is the only extra you can get there. So what is so special about Linda?

Bra Bus

02-22-05, 11:37

Menteng,

Well, she is nothing special but I have few friends of mine that actually got FS from Galaxy. I think all GM would say the only extra is HJ, but if the girl like you is different story.

I am looking for a Full Service Hair Salon in Jakarta, if anybody knows where please pm me right away with the details. thanks

Joel Goodsen

02-22-05, 13:51

Folks,

I need your advice.

2-3 weeks ago when visiting Jakarta, i was so pleased to be back after 15 years of absence, i saw 7 girls in 4 days (4 ST, 3 LT). Semi's, pros' as well as a non-pro, a 22 yo. student nurse from Flores (picked up in Atrium). I had a fantastic time, much thanks to the great info posted here on the board..

After those 4 days, as it happened i ran into this girl whilst returning from work. It appeared, at the same time she just going to work.. the bars in the block M area. She was a pro, full not even semi. But being such a beautiful and absolutely gorgeous person, I spend the rest of my time in Jakarta with her (staying in Gran Mahakam), another 4 days..

Having had such a wonderful time with her, I'm going back to Jakarta in March to pick her up and spend my vacation with her, somewhere else in the tropical island paradise. -I'm currently buying her out of the life BTW, at times she found the working conditions less satisfactory.

Now, what interests me is that before I do go out and spend a romantic time with her, I would greatly appreciate some medical tests. For the same romantic reasons as you would guess.

Would any of you perhaps have suggestions for me where i could kindly and very gently ask her to go? Googling the internet or the yellow pages haven't given me much of a clue yet.

Anyone have experience with this? I suppose I'm looking for some medical clinic/centre in the Kemang/blok M area.

Cheers!

John Aldrich

02-22-05, 18:13

Joel Goodson,

You can take her to Medistra in Gatot Subroto or MMC Rasuna Said. You could even try SOS at setibudi building in Rasuna Said. The last one in case you have enough money top blow up on her, because you have Foreign educated medics and they charge quite a bit but are authentic.. But Medistra and MMC do have competent doctors. But as far all others are concerned I would doubt the report. Just in case imagine that the girl is actually stuck with some disease, the first thing the doctor would do is to take her inside and ask her whether she is an escort of yours for a few days and as to how much she is being paid. He will strike a deal with her to earn some money out of her by prescribing some medicines and ordering some tests which are not required. They will charge you for it and will also tell you that she is fit as a fiddle. And before you realise you could be poorer by a few million rupaiah.

I know of a girl who used to frequent Tavern. There is this guy from Germany who flies in to meet her up every 2 months. He was here even for this valentine day. He would book himself in Aryadutta hotel itself and the girl would live with him there. Initially the deal was that he did a medical check up on her where he was sucked. But he got obsessed with her. He now sends her USD 1500 every month. And she is not supposed to visit the bars.

She realised that her newfound boyfriend had made quite a few friends in Tavern since 90% of the crowd was that of regulars. So she does not come there, but is now functioning as an escort. I was told about this by another bule who frequents Tavern. He told me to call up Vicky to get her. I being a regular with Vicky, called him up and set her up to come into my place. She was shocked to see me, and I know her boyfriend through tavern. The girl did not bat an eyelid and told me that she knew it was me and that is why she came because actually she liked me but then since I did not approach her she had to settle down in life and so moved to this German guy. But if she came today to me it was because of the fact that though she could not get me as her boy friend, her desire is getting fulfilled by sleeping with her. WWWWWWWWWWWhat a bullshit.

I was awestuck with this bullshitting statement of hers thinking I am so naive to beleive it. Acted as if I beleived her. Had fun with her and offered her the fees that I had negotiated with Vicky and she took it non chalantly and as I put her outside the door, I told her smilingly what she actually was.

Just in case you do get obsessed by anyone, be prepared for these kind of incidents.

CALICO,

I think the Band starts sometime around 10 pm in D Basic. I have been there twice. Both times around 11 pm. Once I picked up one girl at the door step of D Basic as I was coming out and the other one on the street near citibank.

Went to Stix in Parklane and found most girls totally looking old and haggard and demanding 500K.Maybe it was not weekend. Just walked out and went to My Bar and picked up Yulinda for 300K LT.

Guys, have you tried the Fezz Bar and Pub of Hotel Kinara or the Barbados in Kemang. How is it. Any girls around.

Remus

02-22-05, 23:02

......But Medistra and MMC do have competent doctors. But as far all others are concerned I would doubt the report. Just in case imagine that the girl is actually stuck with some disease, the first thing the doctor would do is to take her inside and ask her whether she is an escort of yours for a few days and as to how much she is being paid. He will strike a deal with her to earn some money out of her by prescribing some medicines and ordering some tests which are not required. They will charge you for it and will also tell you that she is fit as a fiddle. And before you realise you could be poorer by a few million rupaiah.Awwww.......come on John, I know that there are a lot of corrupt people in Indonesia and sometimes docs in Jakarta Hospital will try to add a little (?) bit more than what you need. Sometimes they go as far as making a non serious condition as grim as possible. But to willingly said a sick person healthty ?

Now being conned by a commercial sex worker is not an uncommon thing. I even know a girl or two, non pros mind you, who has a steady bule boyfriend yet have a secret Indonesian lover also. Apparently they just milking you guys for your $$$

Anyway have you ever tried Puspa from Maribaya from the 12-5 shift ?

Gadget

02-23-05, 09:22

I have been a frequent reader of the Jakarta postings over the years and have picked many useful suggestions. I will be returning again in a couple of weeks after an absence of a couple of years and would appreciate any comments about the HOTEL BOROBUDUR in Jalan Lapangan Banteng Selatan.

This is the first time that I have bee here as I have previously been to the Gran Melia and been able to have many great times with the semi pros in the hotel etc. Does anyone have any comments or suggestions?

Joel Goodsen

02-23-05, 12:12

John,

thank you for your quick and highly informative reply and thank you
for so generously sharing your knowledge. It's greatly appreciated.

The German and his escort girl, great story. It looks like there are some similarities, apart from being obsessed. Did he find out? Being a regular in the Tavern and with a little bit of social skills, he must have some eyes and ears on the ground..

I think i'll give her the choice to go to either Medistra or MMC. Tha. She can decide for herself where to go. It should be possible to work something out from there in terms of getting the results back.

Now, practically thinking on what the German is doing, instead of sending a monthly check, wouldn't it be simpler just to set up a shared bank account? I was thinking of doing it myself in March. In that way you can see online how she's doing. Instantly..

Also, I don't think trying the control the girl the 'German' way will ever work properly. I call my girl two, three times per day, and now already hear the first tell tale, bosan sedikit's.

I absolutely don't hold any illusions that she will ever quit her life completely right there and then after my first visit. There are more boys out there like myself, treating the girls the nice way. Everybody lives by their own little successes, i don't think it's any different for her. And as she has been a business girl for over 2 years, she probably will have a go at it again after a while.

At least i know that if she does choose to do so, she most likely will tell me and does it in style.

mmm.. well now, not that i would like that very much! .. ha,ha,ha

Thanks.

Jkt After Dark 2

02-23-05, 14:58

Guys,

Good to interact with you again. Jackson ... thank you fixing the forum. Now I am back in my habitat.

John Aldrich:

It has been quite sometime. How are you doing John?

Zero,

Sumo Shiatsu is quite expensive. Casanova offers Russian for 750K for 30 min. Thai for 1.5 million for 1 hour. Emporivm Spa offers PRC 1.05 million for 45 min. 1.5 million for 1.5 hour. These PRCs line-up only in bra and panty. They also provide body slide sensations. 1 Columbian is working there last Monday. I also saw 1 Columbian at Sumo few months ago. Beverly Hills Spa offer PRC for 1.2 million for 1 hour. 11 a.m - 3 p.m. 40% discount. 20% discount after 3 p.m. PRCs walk around topless. Asian version of German FKK Club. He he he. Business slowing down after 9 p.m. You will find these PRCs relaxing their mind by swimming naked at the hot/cool water pool after 9 p.m. :D:D:D. They close at 11 p.m. Madona Club or M Club and Golden Flower offer PRC for 650K for 1 hour. Laluna sucks.

They are 1 shot deal. You can get your second shot within the time frame with 300-500K tip.

JAKARTA AFTER DARK

MarkIII

02-23-05, 20:02

Hi Joel,

I did a few tests at a Prodia laboratorium 1 year ago. They are all arround Jakarta. This one is close to Blok M :

Jl.Gunawarman No 47, Kebayoran Baru, Jakarta
Ph :62 21 7220203

About the girl being a "absolutely gorgeous person" well enjoy it while it last.
I have seen too many bule making that mistake. But maybe this one is different ;-)

Cheers,

MarkIII

Dorman

02-24-05, 04:40

First of all let me congratulate Jackson in keeping this place open, I for one have missed it over the past few weeks.

Hi Zero, just read your post, don't listen to me, go for what you fancy. I realised not too long ago that Asian people think that the bule are crazy for wanting to screw chocolate coloured girls when I happen to think they are gorgeous, so go for it with the Russians, each to their own after all - good luckski!

I was reading Mangga's post a page back and he said exactly what I was thinking about this Indonesia forum, how damned helpful everyone is. If you read other forums, wow, they really get ripped into each other, not like here.

I would even go further about Jakarta right now, if you talk to a lot of people here they tell you how it used to be great years ago but I was in My Bar the other night and while there were about two dozen girls I'd already had there were still about fifty more ripe little strumpets who I'd love to do. Outside there are loads more, Ive been getting it on lately with bar staff, students and a travel agent. In Jakarta right now there is pussy oozing out of every corner (if that's not too offputting a metaphor) and I humbly put forward the proposition that this moment in Jakarta is a golden age which will be looked back on as the best time to have been here.

Just look at Havana's forum it's dead there, Cuba is washed up but people will still tell you that it's pussy paradise. No, for my money I would not swap Jakarta for anywhere right now. And the best part is no one will believe you, everyone I talk to back home thinks I'm gila for staying here, well that's just fine and dandy by me, it means all the more honey for us select few in the know!

Calico

02-24-05, 06:07

John Aldrich,

Thank you for your info. It is always a great pleasure to read your on-the-spot facts.

To add on the adventure of tavern's lady, may I share my observation:

It is a fairly common knowledge that most of the working girl would have a boyfriend whom she is happy to support financially. Somewhat like a show off to the other working girls. The boys would get all the money he can spend on various things, even for mongering also ! What an irony !

If there is a male relative staying together with the girl, be very cautious and do a double check. Occasionally, the person claimed to be her relative is none other than her boyfriend/husband. I have seen more than 5 cases like this in the entertainment world in less than one year.

So, generally it is better not to be too emotionally attached to a working girl.

Happy hunting !

Joel Goodsen

02-24-05, 10:57

Mark,

Thanks for the address. It's conveniently located. Did you visit there yourself or have you taken someone? How would you rate the reliability of the tests?

Cheers

..

Calico,

Sobering thoughts. I do share your vision. However, "shoot for the moon. Even if you miss you will land amongst the stars."

Happy hunting.

Menteng

02-24-05, 11:33

Recently I went to Maribaya about 5 pm to get a fresh one. I looked for someone who was willing to give “mandi kucing”, meaning someone who will lick you all over and include AR in the service.

Usually I book Tuny, but she wasn’t there and the younger ones I asked, refused to give me that special “massage”.

When I went out of the bar to visit the loo, I saw this woman sitting near the “office”. She was still there when I returned and so I asked her if she could give“mandi kucing”. No problem she said, so Fifi and I went to the room.

For the rest of the FR, I’d suggest you look at the pictures in the gallery.

Vulcanizer

02-24-05, 20:05

Hi folks,

Shit I've missed your wisdom and wise cracks. Happy New Year to you all. Me thinks Menteng Mandi kuncing is in fact eating pussy. Literally translated cat bath. But hey I'm from deepest darkest surabaya so what do I know? Where's Bulai 69? And Dorman more tales of your plaza adventures.

Please! Take care y'all.

Bulai69

02-24-05, 23:51

I've just read two full pages of reports - I can't understand how so many of you have got in when I couldn't ! Anyway, one thing I picked up on which there have been a few postings, is around building a "relationship" with a WG. I could write all night on this subject, but in summary, I can say with 100% confidence that if you have a "girl friend" (whether she is full pro, ayam or whatever) in Jakarta and you spend 23.5 hours with her 7 days a week, you can be sure that someone is fucking her in the other 30 minutes.

I have certainly fallen into the trap myself more than once; as everyone knows I am obsessed with Indonesian girls and I've nothing against them at all: but you can't trust them. The reason they can con bules into, for example, sending them money every month, is their outstanding Oscar winning standard acting abilities. And that's why they are so good to be with. For example - I posted a picture of a semi-pro a few months ago who has been screwed by (at least) 3 contributors to this forum. This girl has a "boyfriend" in Belanda who sends her 3 juta/month and she lives with another guy who provides food, house etc etc. The last time I called her in the morning I was going the airport she was in bed with her boyfriend; she got up, came to my hotel for 2 hours and went back to bed to find him still asleep.

A few years ago I had a "girlfriend" myself for 6 months; Although I am not exactly naive about life in jakarta I was totally certain she was "faithfull" to me - if for no other reason that there was not too much opportunity to be otherwise - and I knew all her friends. I had been out shopping with her one day, and spent the evening/night with her. Next day I called at her lodgings to pick her up and she had gone to Holland to marry a guy she met 8 months before and had just been waiting for a visa. I never heard a word from her. So her husband married a girl a I'd been fucking for 6 months and I got conned. That's the way it is!

Finally, a current girlfriend of mine has a wide circle of friends, 6 of whom I know well. They all have "distance relationships" ie bule mugs who send them money every month, they have photo's in their wallets and hps, they describe them as their "boyfriends" and every one of them, yes every one, is fucking other guys every day of the week - and these girls are not even semi-pro's they are professional girls with good jobs.

So whatever you do, do it with your eyes open!
But it's still the best place on earth.

Akuma

02-25-05, 02:42

Hello JAD,

I've read your interesting report on the spas you've mentioned on the 23/2/05 posting. i am interested to know where these spas are locted, especially Beverly Hills Spa and M club.

Thanks

Dorman

02-25-05, 03:35

I too got taken a year or two back by a Thai girl, I was certain she was on the level trying to get out of the game. She sent me an email asking could I send her some money as she had a job lined up down south. I was happy to help out, she was different from all the others you know, of course she was, she really loved me, yadda yadda, I fell for it and sent her a couple of hundred bucks.

I was at her bar a few months later and talking to an American guy and we were sneering at the idiots who send money regularly and I mentioned in passing how I had once helped a girl out from working in this bar but she was different, just then who comes into work but my girl, oh my, how we all laughed at such a funny situation!!

By the way if you're a Dutch guy who works in Stuttgart and you have a beautiful 23 year old girlfriend with a big tattoo on the small of her back and who occasionally hangs around D's Place, well when you rang her handphone last Friday night at 10.30 you might have thought she sounded a bit distracted in her conversation, you're right she was - very distracted!

PS Avoid going to the Adutya Clinic opposite the Ambhara Hotel, the doctors there are hopeless, I got a misdiagnosis there twice.

Gonzo Two

02-25-05, 09:16

I can say with 100% confidence that if you have a "girl friend" (whether she is full pro, ayam or whatever) in Jakarta and you spend 23.5 hours with her 7 days a week, you can be sure that someone is fucking her in the other 30 minutes.As usual, Bulai, you exaggerate - even Indonesian girls need to sleep, and I'm sure there are some who could be left alone for ... 24 hours, maybe?

Having said that, I remember staying at a girl I met in Blok M's Kos for a few nights, and hanging out with her on and off for a few months. Her room-mate had a French boy friend who was going to marry her, take her back to France, make an honest woman of her. Unfortunately, the roommate had a kid, who lived with her in the boarding house too. Since she didn't consider that the kid would be a major selling point, whenever the poor guy came over, my girl pretended that the kid was hers!

Well, you know what Indonesian women are like with kids, it's always a bit difficult to sort out family relationships, so the fact that little Bambang was always running to Aunty Ade probably didn't seem that odd. And hell, most of us guys aren't that smart about things like that.

I don't know how she was going to cope if she ever did get to France - presumably, she felt she could cross that bridge when she came to it.

I did feel sorry for the guy, but I didn't really think it was my place to break the bad news to him - I limited myself to a few general comments about the value of caution, and things aren't always what they seem.

Or maybe it really was my girl's kid, and I was the one being conned . . .

But yeah, Indonesian girls are great actors, no denying it.

Menteng

02-25-05, 10:56

Vulcanizer, maybe in Surabaya they use the expression for eating pussy, but in Jakarta it is what I described. Well, to be more specific, the girl will start licking your ears, then your neck. After that she will start to suck your nipples and lick her way down to your crotch. No, she will not start the blowjob yet. She will only tease you there with her tongue and then she will lick her way down through the inner side of your thigh, your knee to your toes. Your toes will be licked and sucked and then she will go upwards to your crotch. Than she will start the AR and the blowjob. Usually followed by CIM. This is a session of 30 minutes, well for me that is.
It is a vanishing skill though. The very young girl's don't know what it is, so you're to the more experienced ones.

One of the expressions they use in Jakarta for eating pussy is "makan durian".

Zero

02-25-05, 12:56

Hello guys,
it's great to see the forum is alive and kicking again! thanks Jackson!
Beverly hill spa sound intruiging to me,
FKK is one of my main place to visit at least once in my lifetime
can you give me the address?
In fact the whole places that you mention sounds great to me,
I hope you don't mind sharing the address with me, I promised the FR later.
I also notice near Sumo have 2 other spa, Delta and Monggo mas ,
is it worth to visit?
Thanks JAD, always a pleasure to hear from you

Dorman,
Don't get me wrong, It didn't bother me at all when you said that
I think it's great that you accepting that other people have their own taste
A class act gentleman in my opinion! bravo!

JAKARTA AFTER DARK[/QUOTE]
Sumo Shiatsu is quite expensive. Casanova offers Russian for 750K for 30 min. Thai for 1.5 million for 1 hour. Emporivm Spa offers PRC 1.05 million for 45 min. 1.5 million for 1.5 hour. These PRCs line-up only in bra and panty. They also provide body slide sensations. 1 Columbian is working there last Monday. I also saw 1 Columbian at Sumo few months ago. Beverly Hills Spa offer PRC for 1.2 million for 1 hour. 11 a.m - 3 p.m. 40% discount. 20% discount after 3 p.m. PRCs walk around topless. Asian version of German FKK Club. He he he. Business slowing down after 9 p.m. You will find these PRCs relaxing their mind by swimming naked at the hot/cool water pool after 9 p.m. :D:D:D. They close at 11 p.m. Madona Club or M Club and Golden Flower offer PRC for 650K for 1 hour. Laluna sucks.

They are 1 shot deal. You can get your second shot within the time frame with 300-500K tip.

JAKARTA AFTER DARK[/QUOTE]

MarkIII

02-25-05, 19:26

Mark,

Thanks for the address. It's conveniently located. Did you visit there yourself or have you taken someone? How would you rate the reliability of the tests?
Joel,

yes I went there myself to do some test (after a few broken condoms is seemed like a good idea). I think the tests are reliable, it all seemed pretty professional (for Indonesia). You just can fill in the form yourself, you can test almost anything. The results follow 2 or 3 days later.

Cheers,

MarkIII

Brandon88

02-26-05, 11:47

Well, I happened to be working online recently, when I got an IM from someone I've written about previously on this forum. It was a string of questions such as "where do we know each other?" and "Did we have sex?", where I knew it must have been someone using her account (totally out of character). Sure enough, it was her Dutch benefactor snooping around her PC (that he bought for her) while she was out getting checked by a doctor. We had a nice chat. He gave up his life for her (not to mention a load of cash) only to discover the truth about what she'd been up to while he was toiling away back home. I wish him luck, but I think he'll try to continue the relationship even after learning the true nature of this girl. There are too many guys who need to sit down and read these forums before falling for these girls (and many of them Dutch it seems, why is that?)

But anyway, MyBar celebrated their 1st anniversary last weekend, with free beer and buffet for all. Nice job. Nice crowd. Despite my previous wondering, it seems MyBar is still a resonable place to go, although the rest of Blok M seems to be dead.

Here is a challenge for all of you: First guy to land Maxine, the blonde BATS band singer, gets a prize (to be determined). She seems to be up for something, though I dont know what that might be.

Jkt After Dark 2

02-26-05, 12:09

Akuma and Zero:

I don't know the address. But, Beverly Hill Spa is located in Old Batavia City Hall area. One big block. Just take a circular turn. I am sure you will find this place. Madona Club or M Club used to be called Primadona before renovation. It is located beside Bintang Mawar.

I think Delta and Monggo Mas are not worth a visit. I went to Club 36 yesterday. They have Thai go go dancers. They also have topless stip dancing show on the stage. Party was wild. But, I think they only have this topless show every Wednesday and Friday.

John Goodson:

Seems that you are very particular with health issue. You should follow John Aldrich and Mark III advices. But, I think a girl who swings among the bules are not an innocent one (read: heterosexual type). High risk in classification. There is actually a report regarding a bordello service preference over freelancer sometimes ago. I think it was posted either by Bulai69 or Menteng (please correct me if I am wrong). Stars at bordellos service 10-15 guys a day. But, they have medical check up once a week. Real escort lady like in Hartono get medical check up every 3 clients. Freelancers are not health conscious.

Real clean girls should cost you more than what you are willing too spend at the moment.

Bulai69, Dorman, Gnozo #2 also made their points about "how to catch a man" practices (***** version).

Forget about your romantic fantassy. Just stay protected when you are with her. Forget about her when you are boarding the plane (I know she might send you away with tears: Thai girl style).

Anyway, good luck.

JAKARTA AFTER DARK

Joel Goodsen

02-26-05, 13:17

So what's the prob with sending money. Trust? What about trust if you really like someone and want them to have a good time. You don't need trust for that.

Given the existing currency conversion, dollars and euros will buy a lot of Indonesian rupiah's. A lot.

And when you look at prices here in Sydney for a night out in the city, the money spent would easily mean a serious life style improvement for someone in Jakarta.

To give an idea, ST overhere generally involves spending around $100 to $150 AU ($150 being about 1 million IR). And yes, compared to 2 hours heavenly spend with a godess in Jakarta, ST here is half an hour on a robotic milkmachine. -generally speaking, of course, lucky for us there are many exceptions.-

3 out of 4 girls became soaking wet during the love making on my last trip to Jakarta. It would be very flattering, but i don't think it's me. You won't see that overhere. Absolutely not. (Local guys, gosh, how i envy you..)

Anyway, having someone I very much like benefit from my somewhat decadent lifestyle, I smile when I walk to my bank.

Dorman

02-27-05, 04:46

I mentioned the hopelessness of Adutya clinic but one good piece of advice I did get was to get the vaccination for Hepatitis B which is apparently rampant in Jakarta, I got it done quickly and cheaply in MNC, it's a process of three shots over six months, I believe you can get Hep B from close bodily contact so it's worth bearing in mind even when using a condom which let's face it appears to escape the mind of most Indonesian girls.

Hi Vulcaniser sorry I haven't been Mall hunting lately, well would you after my shameful performance? How's life down in Surabaya? Is Desperado's still the only game in town in the City of Heroes? I've never gone back to JJ's after the hysterical performance of a broken hearted butterfly (isn't that what they call chicken down there?) who had waited all night for me only to appear with another girl I'd picked up after she had left off the night before, I'd clean forgotten I was supposed to meet her there. Jeez this is a complicated business though isn't it?

I have a regular in Desparado's I'm almost convinced she's not a chicken coz no cash has ever actually changed hands though she's sprung a few nice gifts out of me (cash would be a darned sight cheaper). However a friend from Surabaya assures me that 110% certain if she's in Despos she's a chicken, I'd be interested in your opinion.

I'm in Bali just now and apart from the fact that it's getting gayer than ever it's also very quiet. Only Santa Fe is busy in Jl Jyannapura for the normal guys, whilst the more lighthearted ones all hang out in Q Bar, a couple of the high techno places that recently opened have shut up shop. Even down in Paddys and the Bounty the big arsed Aussie sheilas are thin on the ground, anyone know why?

Nuts M

02-27-05, 15:19

old info 2002 maybe wrong but "there is now a vaccine for hepatitis b (which will prevent you from getting infected) and everyone in this hobby should have that vaccine (in fact, everyone in the world should get it)."

"with all due respect to bigbucks and all the other posters and readers here, i'd caution you talk to your own knowledgeable and identifiable doctor or hmo about medical questions before taking advice given on a *****board by anyone claiming to be a doctor. ", said hot4chicks

bigbucksnyc wrote the below:

hepatitis is an extremely serious virus and people should be aware of its existence. herpes and the bacterial infections usually are what people talk about because you can see their effects very soon after infection - and hiv is always on people's minds because...well....it is hiv. hepatitis, however, is a bit different.

hepatitis a - the virus is transmitted primarily through the "fecal-oral" route. you can get this therefore by 'rimming' but other then that most people in this hobby are safe (just as long as the provider didn't rim someone and then doesn't wash her mouth out before she kisses you!!). if you do rim then this is a risk. the incubation period is 15 to 45 days and will lead to acute viral hepatitis but do not fear - complete recovery almost always occurs (only a very small percentile end up in liver failure). hep a is not transmitted through the blood - only fecal (ass) oral (mouth). this also does not mean you can get it from kissing (except if the other person has fecal matter in their mouth) - it means the virus exists in [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113) and can only be transmitted if [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113) is swollowed. so yes, if you goto a restaurant and the chef does not wash his hands after going to the bathroom and then makes you food to eat, you can get hep a from it. there is a vaccine for hep a and it is usually only recommended for people who travel to countries with high rates of infection (eastern europe, middle east, mexico, etc.), iv drug users, people who work with children and psychiatric patients (both are known to not follow good santitation procedures), and if you are gay or bisexual. once you have hep a, you are immunized so you don't have to worry about it anymore.

hepatits b - this is an important virus in terms of sexual contact. it can be transmitted through sex, through blood, and even from mother to her baby during childbirth. the incubation period ranges from 60 to 90 days and it can result in either a carrier state or chronic liver disease. in the carrier state you can still infect other people. there is now a vaccine for hepatitis b (which will prevent you from getting infected) and everyone in this hobby should have that vaccine (in fact, everyone in the world should get it). the vaccine consists of a series of 3 injections given over a 6 month period so please...if you haven't been vaccinated yet, go out and start the process tomorrow. there is no reason to get hep b anymore and you can easily protect yourself!! this is the major hepatitis std and yes, you can protect yourself. if there was an hiv vaccine, would you go get it? well...there is a hepatitis vaccine so get up and get it!!!! what is so bad about it besides it causing chronic liver disease - hep b is extremely associated with hepatocellular carcinoma (liver cancer). plus, because there is a carrier state, you can easily have it and not know about it and could pass it onto your wife or girlfriend - thus, it is extremely important that you get the hep b vaccine as soon as possible. all providers should also get this vaccine asap. thus - the hep b vaccine can be considered an "anti-cancer" vaccine since hep b is a major cause of liver cancer!

hepatitis c - this is the hepatitis you hear about most on the news. it is transmitted almost exclusively by blood and in most medical text books it does not even list it under possible std's. in all honesty, it is possible to get hep c from sexual contact but blood does need to be involved - but as long as there is no blood, there is no real risk of hep c. people at risk for hep c are iv drug users and people who had blood transfusions prior to 1990's. this type of hepatitis frequently progresses to end stage liver failure and is one of the major reasons why people need liver transplantations. also, hepatitis c has been strongly implemented with hepatocellular carcinoma (liver cancer).

hepatitis d - this virus can only be transmitted with the hepatitis b virus so yes, it can be transmitted sexually. this type causes an illness which is usually more severe then if you had hep b by itself. hep b + d are found in high incidence in iv drug users.

hepatitis e - found only in third world countries and is spread through the fecal-oral route. unless you travel to africa, don't worry about it.

hepatitis g - this actually infects 1% - 2% of healthy blood donors (blood banks screen blood and that is how these statistics were obtained). it does not lead to chronic liver disease and has no known relationship to liver cancer. it is transmitted only through blood and not through sex.

as you can see, hep b is the one to be feared in terms of stds. but, unlike most other virus's and bacterial infections, there is a vaccine against hep b and yes, everyone should get it.

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Zero

02-28-05, 04:50

Zippy

02-28-05, 12:12

I have a very good monger buddy who knows for a fact that he caught Hepatitis B in Cartagena, Colombia from an LDV chica. He was completely out of commision for 6 months and could not drink for over a year. It totally fucked up his life and he was stupid for not getting the vaccination. And if you can get it in Cartagena, you damn well can get it here in Jakarta where it is even more prevalent.

Master Diver II

03-01-05, 03:19

Hi guys,

I used to be Master Diver II but on my upgrade, I was given this obscure name. Doesn't have the same ring to it somehow. Like Bulai, I'm amazed at the number of people who managed to log in so easily - especially during the transition phase. Ah well on to the current topics.

I think thanks should be given to those forum members who have given sound advice on Hepatitis. It is a very serious matter and we should all make sure we're vaccinated. I personally know 2 guys who have died from this - one was a doctor who made a fatal slip during surgery and got infected.

As for the women, have fun, flirt, enjoy the sex, even buy presents - but be careful of emotional involvement. My cousin was a case in point. He thought he had this "relationship" going and spent what would be a small fortune on one girl especially on his almost fortnightly trips to Jakarta - not to mention his mobile phone bill. All the time the girl also strung along another friend of ours. The thing is she knew they were friends but they didn't know that they were being strung along at the same time until an accident of fate brought both to Jakarta at the same time and they compared notes. In the end it's harder to find good friends than sweet women in Jakarta so that was that.

I must say that some of the acting just cracks me up though. I myself have a "girlfriend " in Medan and another in Kuala Lumpur - both of who are amateur or semi pro. Both profess to be 'cemburu' at the thought of another girl with me. I have learnt to simply laugh and ask what number 'abang' I am. Even though I know it's acting, It's still enjoyable enough to justify some kind of present. Zero has spoken to Rina in Medan and she's a fun girl even on the phone. Incidentally she's asking for a mobile phone or watch - hmmmmm...

MD II (M #2977)

Zero

03-01-05, 04:54

Hi MD II,
you have got to change your name it was unrecognizable :)

I agree with you MD II,
"As for the women, have fun, flirt, enjoy the sex, even buy presents - but be careful of emotional involvement"

It's true, never ever fall with the girl you BOUGHT.
it's 1st of most impotant rule in mongering.
Yes, I emphasis on 'bought', they are nice cause we pay them to.
Just like I always give my customer my happy face and 1st class attitude
eventhough I want to whoop ass some of them.
I have my share in falling with some of them, you see,
some girls of are better actresses than others.
I have been milk for 2 mio for an hour and enjoy the hell out of it
and on others occasions spent 100K and felt like I been screwed by
hundreds of car-salesmen (don't pun me for this one, just an expression)
Yes, there might be some success story, a friend of mine actually date a
KTV girl and now they're married, but the chance is equal on winning a lottery.
Anyway, just my 2 cents on this matter.
Stay focus guys, we don't monger to get a relationship, right?!
we did it all for the nookie!! ..yeah the nookie!!! :)
Have fun and stay out of troubles!

Erect010

03-01-05, 11:22

Hi guys,

A lot has been said about Blok M and the action there. I've passed the place but somehow I guess I've looking at the wrong areas. Could any of you indicate the exact location of where the action is? massages, FLs, etc? I know the Abbahra Hotel, the Pasaraya Grande and the bus terminal. Using these as landmarks, how do I detect the happenings in Blok M? Appreciate the help.

Travel to Monger

03-02-05, 04:03

Here is a map of the Blok M area that shows the location of the Bule bars and the Melawai Hotel massage parlor.

http://www.jakartablokm.com/faq/faq-maps.htm

Menteng

03-02-05, 13:03

On the second map, on the left side you can just see Plaza Blok M. At the opposite of this plaza, on the corner of Melawai 6, you'll find Club 27.
Thursday nights, topless sexy dancers (ask the GM if you're interested in one of them).
Also karaoke rooms available. You can negotiate with the girls if you want more than singing alone. Try Putri or, if you're into big boobs, Lina.
Public: majority non-bule's

Dorman

03-02-05, 14:31

Hi Menteng,

I'm a bit confused, I thought JAD was talking about your new bar when he was talking about the dancers on Wednesday and Friday nights, I figured they'd maybe changed the arrangement but I now see this isn't the case, as you know I can't get down on a Thursday so can anyone tell me where Club 36 is compared to Club 27, is anyone following this? Sorry but I'm back in Ireland now, it's cold grey and chickenless so my brain's a bit addled!

Kl Tonight

03-02-05, 18:43

Hi all,

Been to Club 27 (4th floor, corner shop - is that correct?), I went last 3 weeks Tuesday night around 10pm, somehow it is rather dead, only 3 tables. I think I must go on Thurs night as mentioned by Menteng. The service though seem quite friendly and professional. When I was downstair, there was a sweet girl escorting me to lift to 4th floor and hand me a her name card, in case i need any assistance.

Been reading quite a number of post regarding Kartika in Kota. Ventured there twice, service and girl selection decent enough. The body massage is a hit and miss, the 2 girls i tried, one is pretty good, the other seem in a hurry. Overall, nice alternative to Maribaya in Block M. Along the lane behind Kartika, there are more masage parlour and many "agent" who claim they can take you to some house to view beauties for LT/ST.

I am goin BKK next week, then to Jakarta, probably 21st March, anybody wanna join mongering? PM me. Last week, was alone in Jakarta, very boring !! MD II, are u goin soon?

LC

Kl Tonight

03-02-05, 18:50

Hi all, happy mongering. Been wondering, I have been to MyBar for about 5 times in the last 2 months. Took back hotel 3 times, once with 2 girls together.

Overall, some MyBar girl are really gorgeous. However, as well discussed in this forum, Indo girl is great actor. The girls i took back act so pitiful, saying they are new to Jakarta bla bla bla and ask for gifts, tips etc.

However, the next trip i go MyBar, sure enough the girl i brought is there, and I am sure these girl go there as full time job! So, as someone already mentioned in this forum, if u think these girl is part-time/freelancer, you are dead wrong. 90% is there almost daily I guess..

Ciao

LC

PC Bum

03-04-05, 08:11

Guys,
I am coming to Jakarta in June and want to make sure I sample the local talent. I will be staying at Hotel Ciputra. Does anyone know if that hotel is girl friendly. I have never been to Asia before and I have no clue about how it works there. I have read the forum, but I was wondering what the rate schedule is for different quality girls. Thanks for the help and happy mongering.

Key Master

03-04-05, 09:05

PC Bum,

In my experience the difference in rates for the quality of women really another question. I think it should be what are the rates for women picked up at such and such place vs. such and such place? I'm sure there is a difference in quality price wise, but it's marginal in my mind vs. where you pick them up. I have never taken any of the women out of the big hotel discos like BAT's, Tiguh Puluh, and CJ's. I personally think these places are way overrated. It costs quite a bit of money to drink anything there and in my opinion on average the women are older and not worth the money they are asking. They seem to think since they are in a classier joint they are worth more. You can definitely find some spectacular women at some of these joints though.

I myself prefer Blok M bars, mainly now My Bar. I think most will find the talent there better on average there than those hotel discos. The stunners in the hotel discos are definitely on another level. But overall the talent base and numbers to me make the Blok a much better visual and fiscal choice over the hotel discos. I myself understand the rates appropriate at My Bar to be somewhere around 200k to 300k and maybe 350k but that's pushing it for the different qualities of women for overnight. I don't think you need to discuss the rate necessarily with the women on the Blok as I really suggest you do at the hotel discos.

Just my opinion. There is a lot of good information previously written on this if you take the time to read thru all of it though.

Also, I'm not sure if there is any hotel in Jakarta that is not girl friendly.

Bulai69

03-04-05, 20:49

PC Bum - I agree with Key Master on all the points he makes. Personally I like 30Bar in Meridien mainly because I stay there and it's convenient. Girls there certainly expect more (than if they were elsewhere) but they are happy with. on average, 300k (under 30 USD) for all night.

Hotel Ciputra is all long way from most places but there is a big disco near there (any body help with the name?) where I've been a couple of times and it's heaving with excellent young girls. Actually I've never been so surrounded by them anywhere. Also there is a "massage" place integral with the disco but I've not tried it. If you read my postings on mall hunting you could give that a try during the day time in Ciputra mall. Late afternoon is a good time there - lots of university students in that area

WayneKing

03-05-05, 04:29

Hi All
It looks like I will be making a trip from the LOS to the Spicy Shores of Indonesia for a trade show in early April. A couple of quick questions.
I will be going to the Jakarta Int Exhib Ctr - Kemayoran. I will need a decent hotel (US$50ish) probably between Block M and the Ex Ctr. Probably best to be closer to the Ctr. I hear the traffic is worse than Bkk.
It sems Block M would be the ideal place to do some thorough research into the more exotic bars in the city, yes?
Regards to all from Bkk!!
Wayne

Akuma

03-05-05, 06:57

Hi JAD, thanks for the info on the location of the Beverly Hill Spa.

Zero, the location of that Spa is located near the Jakarta Main Train Station in Kota. It is also just the opposite side of Bank Indonesia (BI). From main road Hayam Huruk, go all the way straight to the direction of the Jakarta Train Station. You will reach a traffic light where in front you, you will see the last stop for Bus Way. Head straight again and you will come across Batavia Cafe on the right side. Go straight again to find a junction where you can make a turn around that block. Once you have make a turn around that block, you will be heading towards the train station and you will see BI on the left side. Beverly Hill Spa will then be on your right side. Hope this will lead you there.

PS: Go there at 6pm and you will have a chance to swim together with some of the girls. The girls are on the 2nd floor. The Quality of the girls are good. If you wouldn't mind paying for the Chinese girls (price: Rp.1,250,000 without room charge yet) go for Jenny, take a room whcih have a bath tub, and enjoy. People over there said that she is the prima dona. She will give you a fire/Ice blow job [condom on though :(]

Once again thanks JAD.

Jkt After Dark 2

03-05-05, 10:37

Zero:

I think Akuma has found Beverly Hill Spa. Like I wrote. It is in old Batavia City Hall block. Like Cafe Batavia, Beverly Hill Spa runs their business in a Dutch historical building.

Key Master:

I agree with you at all your points. Quantitative weight of Jakarta's pricing model is in the business, not the quality of the girl. Most of the time price has nothing to do with service quality. This is the 5 star hotel and lower-end expat pick bars and expat bordello cases. Night clubs, karaoke, spas, and bordellos targeting to locals put more quantitative point factor in the quality of the girl and service vs their counterparts. Some escort agencies are very excellent in quality too.

JAKARTA AFTER DARK

GoodEnough

03-05-05, 11:02

Try the Ambhara. It's a nice hotel, right at the edge of Blok M. I stayed there about 6 months ago and had a great time brining back the ladies from BlokM.

GE

Altered Ego

03-06-05, 11:37

Sorry to bother you guys. I am planning on taking a trip to Jakarta and I was wondering what standard of English is spoken by the ladies I would be likely to meet there. I've already run a search on the Indonesia forum (searching for the word 'English') but I couldn't get a definitive answer. I don't know bahasa at all.

Many thanks for your help.

Jaimito Cartero

03-06-05, 23:26

I had no more than a few words in Bahasa and I survived fine. Unless you're going real rural, you shouldn't have too many problems in Jakarta.

Sorry to bother you guys. I am planning on taking a trip to Jakarta and I was wondering what standard of English is spoken by the ladies I would be likely to meet there. I've already run a search on the Indonesia forum (searching for the word 'English') but I couldn't get a definitive answer. I don't know bahasa at all.

Many thanks for your help.

Gadget

03-07-05, 03:33

I posted this request a few weeks ago but it may have been missed by the regulars during the server problems. Does anyone have any suggestions about the action in and around the Hotel Borobudur at Jalan Lapangan Banteng Selatan. I will be arriving this Wednesday and spending a week there.

Mangga

03-07-05, 03:49

I recently returned from a long weekend in Pattaya. It was great to sample some Thai delights again after a few years away. There is nothing like a Thai go go bar to get the hormones pumping.

But sadly, the old raunchy Pattaya seems a thing of the past. It's so crowded with tourists and the quality of the girls is only average. Especially sad is that so much more is now covered up. There are a few girls who get their tits out or dance in the nude, but the heavenly display of naked female flesh that used to greet the eye is no longer to be seen.

But one thing has not changed. The Thai girlies are still reluctant to suck your cock and, if they do, they do a poor job of it. My experience back in Thailand (short though it was) only confirmed my conviction that there is nowhere in the world where the blowjobs are better than Jakarta. I've had some poor quality cock-sucking in Indonesia, but never had an outright refusal to perform. Of course blowjob bars in Thailand are a notable exception...

Whenever I've paid a pro in Jakarta I always assume she will go down on me without prompting. If there is any signs of reluctance I raise the subject ever so subtly (of course) by thrusting my cock in her face. The response, in 95 per cent of cases, is positive, if not always expert. And if you don't have to raise the subject, the service is usually superb.

As I've mentioned a few times before in posts, I have found that the greatest gold in Jakarta can be found through website connections. The girlies I have fucked through these channels have never ever failed me in the cocksucking department. In fact, I have been amazed at the skills in this area and the girls' eagerness to get their lips around my cock and to keep it in there for a long long time. My current regular little fucklet is an absolute wonder. She's also happy for me to video her performance for our later enjoyment.

So let's celebrate the wonders we have in our happy little corner of SE Asia. I'd love to tell the world, but I'd rather keep it to ourselves. Never do I want Jl Mangga Besar to be like Walking St in Pattaya, where you can't actually walk for fat Germans and packs of jarheads.

When I returned to Jkt from Thailand I quickly rounded up a sample of the available talent in Jakarta because I had missed it so much. Attached is one of the samples for our brothers.

PS: Well, I tried to attach it, but didn't succeed. Will try again later in another message.

Zero

03-07-05, 05:07

Thanks for the direction Akuma, Jad,
I can't go to Jakarta at this month due to my work schedule.
But as soon as I can, I will.
BTW Akuma, you have been to Sumo right?
How is this beverly hill compare to Sumo? ambiance-wise
Thank you

Lustforthrust

03-07-05, 12:12

Agreed Mangga. Although I have been to Jak just once and enjoyed the 3some back in November, I'll have to admit the Indos I've had in KL were outstanding. Had one twice! Smoothered (BDSM-esque) her - she was awesome, late teens I'd say.

On one ocassion I saw an elderly Chinese gentleman (65ish) with an Indo girl at the breakfast buffet in the Sheraton Imperial KL. They looked so outta place and that was 3 days in a row. Maria Bardoromo (CNN Asia correspondant) was there too - I thought she'd do a story on this.

Menteng

03-07-05, 12:58

Gadget,

Not far from Borobudur is the Atrium Senen, a shopping mall. A fertile ground for hunting (see reports of Bulai69) and finding girls. Borobudur is also not very far located from Mangga Besar. Here you'll find several places that were mentioned in this forum: Milles, Madona, TC, Bintang Mawar etc, etc.
In Borobudur itself is a discotheque: Musro. I have never been there, but it is said, that it is also a spot to find company (amateurs and pro's).

Wayneking,

Sheraton Media and Hotel Golden at jalan Gunung Sahari are the best located hotels. Not far either from Atrium Senen.

Zippy

03-07-05, 15:06

If you're real lazy, you don't even have to leave the hotel. They actually have a fish bowl with a few ladies somewhere near Disco Manhattan. Manhattan is your typical Indo. x-tasy bar complete with Karioke rooms and several hundred zoned out Chinese-Indos.

Bulai69

03-07-05, 19:57

Gadget, I've not seen much action myself in the bars etc in the hotel (compared with CJ's, BATS etc) but it's always handy when it's "on hand" and you don't have to travel I suppose. I agree with Menteng's posting of course as far as day time (up to 9pm) action is concerned. I've written many things on mall hunting so I bore regular readers again, but if you are new to it in Jakarta, I think the best thing to do is stand and watch for a while (in Atrium in particular) and you will see Indonesian guys pouncing on the available girls. This will give you confidence that they are there - don't watch too long though!

Master Diver II

03-08-05, 03:30

Hello all,

Master Diver II here - don't be fooled by the new name given by Jackson. I've been stuck since December, unable to leave Malaysia and suddenly I'll be visiting Jakarta followed by Medan, then Bangkok and Medan again. I'm not complaining but sometimes it could be a little more evenly spread - for my sanity's sake.

Anyway, I'm finally going to take Bulai's advice and try to stay in Le Meridien. Is it safe to just wait till I reach Jakarta and book through Kaha or Indotel or should I book immediately? I will be arriving tomorrow afternoon.

On another note, I'm wondering if I should stick to 30 or spread my wings a little. I think I will hang around a couple of the malls and try my luck. Anyone want to join? Menteng where would suggest a non bule would have better luck?

Limpeh Chong, sorry I think our timing doesn't seem to match. Maybe we'll end up meeting in KL.

Anyway thanks for any help.

MD II

Jaimito Cartero

03-08-05, 04:25

I'll have to admit the Indos I've had in KL were outstanding.

It's funny that you bring this up. The one thing that really made me interested in Indonesia was the Indo girl that I saw in KL about a year ago. I had never thought about Indonesia as a "vacation" spot before then. :)

Key Master

03-08-05, 06:20

I think you should spread your wings and check out the Blok. Definitely My Bar at 12 or later.

DJ the Bear

03-08-05, 11:14

I will be in this hotel next week, and I'm new to Jakarta. Anyone can let me know is there any hc in this hotel? Is it happening in this hotel?

Thanks

Alifulani

03-09-05, 04:53

I am in Bangkok now but definetely looking forward to my stopover in Jakarta in the next few days.

Those of you that frequent this trade route will know what I mean when I say that the Indo women are superior to their Thai counterparts. Perhaps because it is on a path less travelled, and I for one am pleased that Jakarta does not become more frequented on people's itineraries.

OK, Bangkok has its postive points. For me, I use this as a stopover point to get all the hair-raising, kinky, path-to-hell sex one could ever want out of the way before meeting up with those gentle souls in Java. Bangkok is mechanical sex, while Jakarta is spiritual.

Oh those gentle sweet loving Jakarta ceweks are to die for, and they make you feel like the most important thing in their lives for the brief encounter. i can't wait to be there.

AF

Jkt After Dark 2

03-09-05, 06:05

Guys:

There is a bad review writen by Joe Higashi in one of Indonesian language escort review site regarding Madona Club/M CLub. The review refers to the local girl. Bad service. Bad behavior. Breach of contracted time. The worst thing is the Mamasans seem to know about these practices and do nothing about them.

However, this is the only incident I had ever heard about Madona.

JAKARTA AFTER DARK

Master Diver II

03-09-05, 10:32

Hello guys,

God, it feels good to have my name back! MU losing, Chelsea winning means I get an overnight Russian freebie in Bangkok, and I'm back in Jakarta staying at Le Meridien. I'm on a roll.

I can understand Alifulani's sentiments and agree 100% regarding Indonesian women. Point duly noted Key Master. I've never been but the reports are plentiful in the Forum. Anyone else want to go either tomorrow or the day after?

MD II

Dorman

03-09-05, 10:49

God help us I shouldn't be reading this forum when I'm stuck in Ireland, it just makes me bite my pillow in frustration. It's cold, wet, grey and horrible here and sex is impossible to come by. Of course I'm a bit spoilt now I expect to be able to walk into any bar have a cold beer, survey half a hundred pouting, prancing, doe eyed beauties with raven hair, skin the colour of honey and bewitching smiles, nod over to the one I fancy and after exchanging the briefest of formalities be in the sack with her half an hour later for a night of wild, sweet, uninhibited, fun sex and all for the price of lunch in one of Dublin's very overestimated pubs!

I actually found a lap dancing club here last night it was 40 euros for 3 minutes in which I got the quickest flash of her pussy. I was gobsmacked, there were actually guys queuing up to pay 200 euros for an hour with a dancer, no touching or propositioning allowed! I could have wept at such a waste. In truth the dancers were quite cute, all Lithuanians, Poles and Russians (no Irish girls of course), Zero would love it.

Anyway enough of my problems, Master Diver can you tell me how Chelsea winning gets you a Russian freebie in Bangkok? I think I'm missing something there.

Key Master

03-09-05, 22:23

I think Jakarta is a nice little stop for specifically the nighttime activites. But it doesn't match up with the variety and accomodations value wise as in Bangkok or Thailand in general. Don't get me wrong I love Jakarta in many ways, but find it can get boring a little bit, just because there is less to do during the day comparatively. I find the hotel selection and actual accomodations a little better money wise in Thailand, and that's probably because Thailand is more built as a tourist destination. The food I think is cheaper in general in Thailand and has obviously more venues being a tourist destination. Night venues are more abundant in Bangkok also. The venues are a little more limited in Jakarta for me as I don't speak any Bahasa. But in the end, I go there for the women, and for whatever reason they play the girlfriend role pretty much to a script you would make up yourself in defining it. There's something about the women in Jakarta!

Master Diver II

03-10-05, 00:02

Firstly, Dorman, it was a matter of a small wager with an MU fan as to which team would get furher in the Champions League. I slept through it (it was on at 3am here) but I woke up and saw the results which made me a very happy camper indeed.

Anyway on with the brief FR since it's almost 6am and I haven't slept yet. I ended up in Le Meridien as some friends were staying here already. Unfortunately they have to leave later today instead of tomorrow. I was extended an invitation to join them in some dinner and entertainment laid out by a very grateful client. I reluctantly accepted more to keep with the group but feeling helpless leaving arrangements in someone elses hands.

In the end we were taken to 1001 - yes a wonderful place if you have too much money in your hands but best avoided otherwise. Saw a nice selection of Russian and Uzbek women but I didn't come here for that. There was a delectable local line up in which I spotted my first choice but she had her period (must be an excuse - why come to work?). I was then taken for local selection round 2. Found someone suitable and off we went - but not before getting stuck singing a couple of songs (OK yes, it was shouting not singing).

Came back and started the ball rolling and ended up showering together - which unusually took some persuasion. The strange thing is that she took another 10 minutes washing up after this. Eventually it ended up as an enjoyable if not spectacular session. Nice and as is common here the girl got very 'manja' and we ended up eating chocolates in bed before starting the second round. I managed some photos which were taken as a matter of fun as we went along. Finished round 2 on her face. Pics will be forthcoming once I download some software into this new notebook. Ah Jakarta - nowhere quite like it.

MD II

Mighty Spearsman

03-10-05, 08:35

Arrived in Jakarta the other day and went straight to Kartika. Yes, there are other good places in Jakarta, so why do I love this place so much?

First, the price for the 2-girl special:
220,000 rupiah per girl house fee, plus 50,000 per girl tip, for 540,000 rupiah total. Not cheap, but not bad for what I received.

Next, the 2 Kartika girls:
a) Cynthia. One look and I picked her immediately. Only 20 years old, better looking than average for one of these places, with the biggest firmest set of tits I've seen on any girl working in one of these places - a great set of C-cups with no sag whatsoever, and a tight pussy. Actually the tits would be normal for a 20-year-old in the U.S., but they stand out (pun intended) from the crowd in a country like Indonesia where the majority of women seem to be A-cups. I'm surprised that she's not working on her own, next time I'll check to see if she's available after hours :) Only down side is her almost non-existent English.

b) Sonia, skinny, small-breasted, decent looking but not beautiful, 30-ish, longtime employee at Kartika, a "not-tight" pussy, skilled performer, decent English. Cynthia chose Sonia to join her (rule #1 - if you want a 2-girl session, always pick one girl and let her pick the second one).

The 3 images:

Image #1: I'm lying naked on my stomach, all suds-ed up. Cynthia is underneath me in reverse on her back, rubbing her crotch against my groin, stomach and thighs, while holding my feet. Sonia is on top of me, facing my feet, rubbing her crotch on my back and buttocks, also rubbing her hands all over. Great image on the side mirror.

Image #2: I'm lying on my back, after a shower and getting dried off with a towel by both ladies. Cynthia is on her knees on my left side, giving me an award-winning covered BJ while my hands roam over her chest and pussy. Sonia is down below, licking and sucking my balls while stroking my inner thighs. I watched the proceedings and thought - this is heaven on earth.

Image #3: Cynthia's on her back, legs up in the air, while I'm banging her tight pussy in the mish position. Sonia is standing next to us, stroking my back and kissing my ear lobe and neck, and telling me that she wants me to finish inside her, while Cynthia is begging me to finish inside her. Decisions, decisions!

I'll be back here again soon!

Kl Tonight

03-10-05, 13:27

Hello guys,

I am goin BKK next week, then to Jakarta. Totally agree with alifulani comment on BKK vs Jkt. Anyway, to chip in, each place got its little charm and provide different experience. Enough have been said in this forum rgd this topic anyway. Speaking of Kartika, have anybody tried the premises next door to it? I think it is called Crystal or something..

MDII - bet a lot on MU losing eh? Good for you. Looks like our trip is reversed, u go Indo then to Thailand while I go Thailand first then go Indo.

Dorman - Dublin can indeed get quite frustrating once u tasted the heaven in Indo. I am sure u gonna be back soon, dun you?

Happy hunting everybody!

LC

Knight 1001

03-10-05, 16:56

Hi,

I actually walked up (north) & down (south) from holland bakery, (as instructed in a post here somewhere), but I could not find where to turn, before or after ; how do you actually get there?

Jaimito Cartero

03-11-05, 01:32

Hi,

I actually walked up (north) & down (south) from holland bakery, (as instructed in a post here somewhere), but I could not find where to turn, before or after ; how do you actually get there?

Well, I went on a tour with JAD, but it didn't seem too hard to find(It is all the way at the end of the alley). It's pretty close to Stadium, as well. Here's the info from their business card:

Kartika
Jl. Hayam Wuruk No 114/32
Phone 6397211
Jakarta-Barat

Mangga

03-11-05, 04:40

Limpeh Cheong,

As the guy who probably started this latest round of discussion on BKK vs JKT, I agree that both cities have their strengths and weaknesses.

It depends on taste, but it also depends on how long you are in the city and what for. I mean, for example, that if you are on a 3 or 4 day sex spree and want high level action all the time, then Bangkok is definitely the place. Is there anywhere in the world that has Soi Cowboy, Nana etc? I think not.

But as a long term expat in Jkt I'd have to say that Jkt has it over BKK because of the sheer quantity and quality of pussy available per foreigner. The scene is much less commercial and so many more fantastic "free" fucks are available. I put free in inverted commas because (as frequently observed in this forum) free fucks can sometimes turn out to be quite expensive. But non-paying contacts can last as long as you want and are often about the girl wanting to get a good fuck and therefore participating in a genuinely horny way.

And, of course, the big difference is that fantastic blowjobs are the norm in Jakarta, while they can be hard to come by (pun intended) in BKK.

Re the place next to the Kartika. It's the Berlian. IMHO and experience, it's much better than Kartika. It's a bit like BKK vs JKT, where Kartika is BKK and Berlian is JKT. Kartika is more in-your-face and bubbling with fucklets on offer. But although Berlian is quieter and sometimes a bit too quiet, its best performers are far ahead of anything I've had in Kartika. I'm also over the whole soapy thing, but that's just me.

Kl Tonight

03-11-05, 13:05

Hi Mangga,

I agree with ur view totally, as i said, each place got its own charm. The place is called Berlian (I think it means Jewel or Crystal in bahasa), that's right. I will be in Jkt in 2 weeks, will definitely check it out and report. It does indeed look pretty quiet from the outside.

Member #3206: bakery shop is a corner lot (forget whether it is called Holland Bakery or not). Besides it is an alley, go all the way in, last shop of the row on ur right, u will pass by Berlian. On your left is some stall selling condom etc. If u coming from Stadium, go to the junction of main road, 1001 on your left, head right and walk 2 or 3 rows of shop along main road, u will see a corner bakery shop. Turn right to the alley.

Happy Hunting everybody.

LC

Tamurlane26

03-11-05, 13:28

to coin an old phrase i descended into the madness that is jakarta once more after a short break and much to my amusement found myself staying near glodok - for the more experienced i should reckon a first for any wsg member and a bulai to boot to venture into that area.

the hotel was more of a rumah tumpungan with all its connotations - the reasons for being there are in themselves humourous but in order to protect the innocent shall remain shrouded in mystery.

now here is the challenge when you are staying in an area where even the cats fight outside your door - the toilet leaks and the aircon is dubious - cigarette stains ordain the tables and the wallpaper was peeling. how to entice jakarta's finest to grace your bed without too much trouble.

night 1 - something old
this was a mistake - maya of old fame and fortune succumbed to the sunday night sos and arrived looking a dime and so for one more time i was taken in by the smile. we went into the room and alas when she saw the crumbling environment her performance took a nose dive. not even liberal massaging of all parts north and south could get her to raise more than an urgent smile - and to whit the performance was brutally brief and conducted in silence. at the end of this monumentously poor performance - it might have well have been a rubber appliance or more appropriate to that part of town and ojet with a banana up its tailpipe to soften the blow - at least that would have given some more light relief.

night 2 - something new
this was more promising a sweet young thing from lokasari who on this trip abandoned all pretence of being sweet and innocent and said come and get me from the music bar in sparks hotel and book me out for 250k rp. at least the niceties were dispensed with and when taking her to the hotel matters did look promising. the wrapping undone this looked as if the next coming was to be the promised land. alas i had forgotten that she had forgotten how to do the deed and was drier than camilla in the desert - no offence to prince charles !! she told me it was two years since she had last had a night on the sheets and alas it showed once more - by now i was thinking and convince no less that the surroundings were a major damper on the event. the event was over in a flash she came the ride before me - saying how nice it was to have an orgasm and why did it take me so long to follow - amusing thought and please hold the comments on that one. needless to say the offer of staying the night was declined although only a token 50k was then added to the monies already paid - so me thought oh well at least a decent nights sleep as in order.

afternoon - in the interests of protecting malaysian sovereignty
to allay concerns that there was not enough detente in the region i decided to cast all caution to the wind and summon steffy - you will have seen her photo from an earlier posting. to convince her to come we met in plaza indonesia and all she could say was that she wanted to spend the afternoon in bed. this was too good to be true - but true to form not only did the "pope" call me just as the deed was about to start - the little romancing fell on stoney ground as the interruption of the call allowed her to cast a jaundiced eye on her surroundings. it was short and a little less than sweet - straight sex of the "lets get this over and done with variety" and as soon as rolled over to relax she was already dressed and saying she needed to go home to fetch some medicine !!

the tale of woe would have ended there but being a sucker for punishment i went to 30 with a friend where maya accosted me for an additional tip - to escape i fled to batz where steffy promptly punched me in the gut and asked me why i was there !! mind you she is so sweet when she is angry albeit that i did not confess that the friend she was with honey was my play thing on the previous visit !! thought i had been caught on that one but fortunately honey is smarter than she looks and never said a word !!

off to cj's to end my life and enjoy the view and much to my amusement was asked for 1m rp by one young lady and 500k by another who informed me that one bulai had paid her that simply to dance with her.

but just in case you thought the end was nigh - and it was i retired to the pleasure of japanese blue movies in the hotel from hell.

moral of the story is dont let a lunatic book your hotel room and that yes even our sweet little darlings need conducive surroundings to put them in the mood and most certainly glodok does not come into that category.

names and addresses changed to protect the innocent

Akuma

03-11-05, 19:14

Hello Zero,

The setting of Beverly Hill Spa is relaxing and nice. Its not as chaotic as Sumo. The Chinese girls are on 2nd floor on display, and the massage counter is on the 1st floor. I heard that it can be quite busy on the 2nd floor around the evening. Because its still on discount (I believe it's from 11:00am to 3pm), the wait for a massage can be up to 2 hrs. There's no cinema style screen like those in sumo. They only have sofa on 1st and 2nd floor, and they hang their tv. The Girls are displayed directly in front of you, unlike those in sumo where they are on the corner most of the time.

The Quality of the girls are good. Young and fresh. Some wear only Bra and thongs, covered only by a translucent silk around their waist. Some wear japanese styled school uniforms. Can be quite a turn on. When you are there, remember to look for Jenny (i may have said this before), Her body is excellent, Big boobs, small waist, reasonably tall. Looks wise =7.

Anyway, have fun.

Ps: the mamasan over there are good. not pushy compared to those in sumo and classic.

Bulai69

03-11-05, 21:24

Good to get your contribution but oh dear, what the **** did you stay in there for ?! - and then compound it by going back to Maya who we convinced each other had lost the plot 6 months ago! Amusing about Steffy, she is a typical BATS 1 juta girl pretending she is Gisele Bunchen but I can tell you she lives in a place that makes your hotel look like the Four Seasons. Glad you are back, posting here has been a challenge recently has it not?

Buc Punter

03-12-05, 16:45

I've enjoyed reading everyone's posts for a while now. There are some great stories and pictures here. I've been upgraded to regular member! Maybe I can add some as well. I'll be in Jakarta this coming week and I brought my camera.

PC Bum

03-12-05, 18:51

Just wanted to say thanks for all the help you guys have offered. Especially Bulai69. You rock my friend. Please feel free to PM me if you have any specific knowledge about area around Hotel Ciputra. Bulai69 has educated me on a lot, but I am open to hearing more about how I can be successful while in Indo.

Anybody gonna be there in early June and interested in meeting for some mongering?

Peace

excited

03-13-05, 03:08

Hey Guys,

Making a trip soon. Looking for the "hard to find"! Anyone has solid contacts or info for Expensive Model type ladies? Appreciate any feedback.

Thanks

Xiao Ma

03-13-05, 10:05

hi all,

i have not been writing for a long time. i went to indo this week for conference and went to cj at mulia hotel, too many pro and really bad pro.

i got my self a hot looking chick but in bed she is like dead fish, asking me to speed it up when we have agreed 300k for 2 hours. we just reach like 30 minute really [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) ask her to get dress and get the fuck out.

Tamurlane26

03-13-05, 12:27

The simple answer is yes it can and to those of you who in the heat of the moment are tempted into something you should not do - namely a bare-backed ride beware !!

The donee in this case was Maya - so please as a gift to other members of the clan in Jakarta - steer well clear of this one as she is poison in the literal sense and shall be retiring for a while !! Need we say more.

For those who might think shame me for naming someone so directly in the forum then think again. If my plight can be spared another then this is what we have the forum for - there is good news and there is bad news however at the end of the day it is all news that should be aired for the betterment of all.

I am not eliciting or expecting sympathy for my current situation but feel that as we are joined in a quest for pleasure and amusement that if one of the world out there who is known to others is in this state then caveat emptor.

As for what was I doing there - that is best left for another day - actually a nice evening with good company my friend Bulai - so I shall save it for that rainy day when we finally meet !!

Bulai69

03-13-05, 12:55

Sorry about your plight Chalky but I think you are right to "raise" this issue. Just in case anyone thinks they wouldn't be so tempted - take a look at my pictures (Ma01 etc) of this girl - posted last October I think. I tried to re-post the pic but the system wouldn't let me - clever software Jackson! I couldn't even post it with a different file name.

excited - you can certainly find expensive girls in Jakarta but be careful they are not the same girls you can get for 10% of the price!! There has been much written on this subject in the forum and much friendly disagreement! In summary, I think everyone would agree it's largely subjective. For example, if Indonesians (generally speaking) want to say something positive about a girl they will say "she has white skin". But that's the exact opposite of what I and many other bules want! So be careful you don't pay more and get less. To take it to the extreme, you could even pay a fortune for a miserable (eastern block) western girl ! What the hell is the point of that when you are surrounded by them here?! (I'm in UK now, sadly).

If you want, as it seems, "true model" girls you can get them in Jakarta. You can get anything in Jakarta. You can find them yourself working as up market sales girls when they have promotions of eg cars in the big malls. You need to approach them directly and be fairly direct. They can (unusually for Indo girls) be a big arrogant but money talks. I asked one to dinner once in PS and she fairly robustly declined which irritated me so I said I would give her 100USD and 100USD "if I enjoyed it" and she instantly gave me her phone number and agreed. I didn't bother - I (and any of us) could get 10 better girls for less. Another way is to go to an agent - I can't recommend any but other readers may be able to.

Menteng

03-13-05, 23:52

Excited,

I might be able to help you. Look for my postings from a couple of months ago about this topic. Besides, I will PM you.

Mangga

03-14-05, 01:32

To find the Berlian massage palour (ie fuckshop) (Berlian means diamond in Indonesian), DO NOT look for the Holland bakery, that bakery is further down Hayam Wuruk. Berlian is in a small alley/laneway, with a bakery on the corner, but the bakery has a different name (can't remember what).

The best way to find the Berlian is to start at the corner of Mangga Besar and Hayam Wuruk, turning left out of MB into HW. Walk down HW only about 100 metres or so and you will see the bakery on your left. Turn left into the laneway and about 50-100 metres you will see the Berlian on your right. If you go past Berlian you will run into the more well-known Kartika, which is just a couple of doors further down the lane.

As I've mentioned in my earlier posts, the Berlian can be a bit hit-and-miss. Sometimes quiet but other times full of lovelies. Berlian also has a stock of older but still attractive ladies who are VERY GOOD at what they do. I usually combine one of these older reliables with one of the shyer, but highly attractive younger little fucklets. The younger ones usually sit in the open reception area, rather than in the bar/karaoke area.

I usually sit in the bar, have a beer and soak up the ambience. Being well known there, my favourites usually compete to sit with me. I "flirt" and feel them up a bit and most will play with my cock through my pants in Bangkok bar style. Then I tell her what I'm after today amongst the younger ones (big tits, good arse, good cocksucking skills are my more common requirements...) and she will summon a few over to sit with us. I make my choice and we head upstairs and the older one will usually teach the new girl some tricks and encourage her on to more sluttish antics. Pity the rooms are a bit small and dingey, but better than some nearby establishments.

Since I developed my "system", I've never had anything less than a fantastic time at the Berlian. But it takes a little time to get known. Not for those mongers in a hurry. And some Indonesian language skills help. Then get some hp numbers and have dial-it-up carnal delights in the comfort of your own place.

Tonsil Basher

03-14-05, 02:47

Chalky,good to have you back although you've made countless trips to Jakarta prior to the last one but never submitted any FR.

Can I just echo Bulai69 here? Why the **** did you do Maya again? I thought she's the type who'd give anyone an "applause" especially after a bare-back ride?

I've given up on Jakarta girls. The Indonesians who always give me good times are all in KL.

Anyway, I salute you for diversifying and showing your versatility by staying in a grotty joint. I hope you haven't caught any seafood crawlies like the Stenorhynchus seticrnis.

Time to go hunting again.

XXL

03-14-05, 19:34

My grain of salt about Berlian. I find Berlian much better than Kartika farther down the same alley. If you fancy a not-so-young woman for a change, like I do occasionally, Berlian is the place.

In Berlian's rooms, there's a warning on the wall that reads: "dilarang melanggar susila". It translates as "it is forbidden to act immorally". This is not a joke, rather, or so I was told, it is a left-over from the time when Berlian was a legitimate massage business and hanky-panky was really not on.

Two recommendations in Berlian:

Dewi (from Sulawesi). Very experienced, very much "in control". Very tight pussy in spite of her age (over 30!).

Diana (over 35, maybe 40). Her "uneducated" accent in bahasa gives her away as a simple country girl. If you can really give it to her, you'll notice she's some kind of a nympho. Just penetrate her and alternate grinding and pounding. She won't last long before she comes. She once pleaded with me to give her a second round after I had showered and paid. I once booked her for a long time in Mercure Hotel. I showed her porn pics on my laptop. At one point she said: "sek gitu kita perlu", which is colloquial Indonesian for "that's the kind of sex we need".

There are other interesting girls, whose name I don't remember. I always visit Berlian when I'm in Jakarta, although not as often as before because I'm too well-known by the girls by now and I feel bad having to break too many hearts whenever I want to try out a new girl. Oddly enough, I don't have the same qualms in Maribaya or in any of the other places. That's because Berlian is, basically, a place where you get adopted. You can't treat family as if they were expendable strangers.

xxl

Mangga

03-15-05, 01:55

XXL,

Your posting has prompted me to have one last say about the Berlian. I agree with everything you say about it. Your experience there sounds just like mine. I have also felt "adopted" by the girls and by the old couple who run the place. I might run into you there sometime, although I've never seen another bule there.

I find Berlian a much more welcoming place than the rather commercial, high pressure atmosphere at the Kartika.

Re Dewi: yes she's great. Great body, lithe and slim, with fantastic tits. And a real exhibitionist at times. I have seen her prancing around the Berlian in a see-through dress that showed off her titties very nicely. And when she gets undressed she always reveals herself to be wearing some kind of "fuck me" lingerie. As you say, very "in control". That's perhaps her only downside. She's very good at giving you a good time, but you know it's a professional performance and that she's not into being fucked for the pleasure of it. I mostly fuck her at home these days. And she brings a friend.

Don't know Diana by name, but she could be one of a the many I've fucked. One of my favourites is Ningsi (don't know the spelling). Not young any more, but huge tits that are still very firm and a big round firm arse. Often gets turned on during a session and wants me to make her come. Gives blowjobs that are out of this world.

Master Diver II

03-15-05, 03:13

I sympathise with you Chalky. I think sometime or another, we can get lost in the excitement - lets face it these girls are good at that - and forget the basic precautions. It's worth remembering that none of us are so special that we're the only guys they want to go bare back with. Indonesian women seem to be uninterested as a whole with protection - hence we have to be more alert.

In case you need to identify Maya by the way, she has a prominant mole not far from her right nipple, I believe. She was marketing herself to me on Thursday and Friday night last week. I noticed her skin looked a lot worse even in the dark of 30 Bar. Was that tall bule laughing with her on Thursday night you Chalky?

Now I'm back in Kuala Lumpur and looking back on my visit to Jakarta, some observations have to be made. I think I'll try contacting JAD earlier next time and book an evening with him just to see what other insights I can get on this interesting city. I managed some photos but I'm disappointed I could not get photos for Friday night as I had the full club sandwich, and was most grateful that Le Meridien beds can accomodate 4 persons. I think that even if the girls are friends and suggested it, unless they are fully at ease in the nude with one another, the session will be disrupted by the occasional uncomfortable fit of giggling.

3 nights: the first one in 1001; I was visiting some friends the second night, hence a forgettable quickie from 30 (I rushed in grabbed something and turned down her invite to Stadium afterwards); the final night was Noure(?) Santi and Yanti from 30. I missed an opportunity with a stunner (again!) on the final night which methinks might have been even more memorable than the 3 in one. I noticed the attitude of some women this time around left something to be desired. There were also more women in 30 who were targetting only bules. Ah well, such is life.

The pricing remains similar as before. Bulai has it nailed to 300k which really is it here but the stunners seem to go for something more than that. Basically, anything between 300K to 1 million depending on girl, time, location and negotiation. 1001 was a gift but the range there was 1.5 - 2 million for local dishes. Russians costing absurd prices - frankly much cheaper to get Russians overnight in Bangkok where I thought 6000 - 8000baht was on the high side. Well that's my little piece.

MD II

Zero

03-15-05, 06:37

Thanks for the info Akuma,
The BH sound nice, I will make it to my "next place to visit" list
Any other HC that you would recomend to me?

MD II,
sorry I missed your visit here, as I said I was at pangandaran beach.
From what I saw it was a slow place to monger.
anyway, if you come to Jakarta again, contact me,
I might want to join you with the JAD tour.
Thanks

Bulai69

03-15-05, 23:11

I feel a bit guilty continuing to go about Maya, but in response to MDII's advice about identifying her, perhaps an easier way is to look at the pictures I've posted of her last October (I think). Actually this is a sad story because she was the girl about whom I had the most PM's by a long way.

According to a friend of hers I know well (gay man) the reason for her attitudinal decline (and perhaps her physical decline as well) is that having started off as a very "nice", somewhat naive friendly girl, she has been comprehensively disrespected and ill treated by a succession of complete (bule) ass-holes, the like of whom can be seen all too often in the various bars we all write about in here. Hopefully none of us have contributed to this.

XXL

03-16-05, 11:20

I have some difficulty following the thread on "Maya", but I guess she must be a girl who has been seen to decline physically and mentally in the course of a few years. This is the ugly side of Jakarta.

An equally sad story is that of Sonia, a stadium girl now reported to "stay at home because she is a bit sick". Sonia was a tall slim girl, the tallest Indo girl I have ever seen in Stadium or indeed elsewhere. Girls that tall are usually "warias", i.e. transsexuals. Slim body, perfect facial features. It was she who introduced me to "E" in stadium. I remember once running out of cash on a Saturday night with Sonia in Stadium. I left her inside the "VIP" room to secure it (rooms are in short supply in Stadium on week-ends) and rushed to Mercure Hotel to fetch a fresh wad of banknotes. This must have raised some eyebrows since there was a queue of couples waiting for a room.

The last time I saw Sonia she was hardly recognisable. Is it the daily antibiotics or the second-rate dope those girls take to keep going all night? Probably a combination of all that, plus the hellish life they're leading.

When she was still the flamboyant star of Stadium 4th floor, I had asked her whether many bules had proposed marriage to her. She had answered "many, but first I have to work because for me, family comes first". Now I fear illness and decrepitude may be what comes first. What a waste!

On the other hand, it is difficult to find a middle-aged woman in Jakarta who is still definitely attractive, whathever her trade. It seems it's not just prostitutes who take a turn for the worse once they're past their prime.

xxl

Tamurlane26

03-16-05, 12:21

Dear XXL

Your sentiments have hit the nail right on the head. It is sad to see the decline occur so rapidly and the fact that basic health care does not seem high on their agenda.

If you follow my recent postings on Singapore I had the pleasure of a night with a woman of 33 - she might have lost the tautness of the stomach - but then again after two kids it is hardly surprising - but she had lost none of her enthusiasm or her sense of personal safety. Perhaps another addition to the Thai v Indonesian debate we so often see raging on these forums.

In the case of Maya would comment that sometimes we are guilty of trying to recapture the past. And when she was first recommended she was an admirable companion - however the recent events caused me to pass warning to fellow members as I saw her in Tigapuloh on the Wednesday night - and I doubt I was the tall Bule !! She strutted in like a peacock which left me to wonder after the event whether or not she has any idea of what she might be carrying

Tamurlane26

03-16-05, 12:26

Perhaps the title line should give you a clue as to why sometimes one does not give up on the past.

As for the Indonesians in KL they are very different from their sisters in Jakarta and tend in my experience to more materialistic and less fun to be with. Yes that they perform is without question however most of the Jakartarites I am sure would agree that half the fun is the enjoyment of going to the various bars to see what standard one can play with.

This would include the ability to "trawl the mall" to put it into its crudest form - a passtime which requires patience and sleight of hand which raises one's game to another level.

Payment is one thing but there is always the thrill of the chase. It is a bit like the difference between buying meat in the supermarket and paying to have a days sports shooting. It takes all sorts.

For those more sensitive souls please forgive the more base analogies used here but hope that they illustrate the point.

Until the next trip which may well take me to Manado and Palu - wish me well in the good hands of our friend in Jalan Alor in KL - discretion is their watchword and service is the name of the game in returning us to fitness in quick time

Dorman

03-17-05, 02:18

Jaysus, all this talk of infections and the like puts me in mind of when I first arrived in Pussy Paradise (aka Jakarta town) a year or two back. I was like a little kid in a sweet shop, running here and there to all the different venues picking up as many as I could and never doing less, and frequently more than, two girls a night and nary a bother about condoms, it was heaven for me. I have no idea of the number or variety of orifices into whish I stuck my tongue and other extensions without the protection of latex, hep B vaccination or ciprofloxin. It makes the hair on the back of my head stand on end just thinking about some of the things I did. What made me wise up was one lovely sweet girl just up from the kampung, her name was Ella and she was staying with an older bird, she was 20 and didn't have a word of English, we had some fun unihibited sex for a few days then I didn't see her again. A month or two later I bumped into her mate and I asked about Ella, 'Ah, I threw her out, she wouldn't listen to me, she got gonerhea and I couldn't have her in the house with my kids!' Well, that shook me I can tell you.

If I'm honest I can still lose the run of myself and take chances, you know how it is when the drinks in and the passion takes control, but God you really do have to take care, the drink, sure 'tis a terrible affliction and no mistake. Speaking of which happy Saint Patrick's to everyone, anything special happening in Jakarta? Wonder if the Patton brothers are doing anything in D's Place, well they're half Irish themselves (ok Ulster Prods but close as it gets out here!).

One last thing (there's really no shutting me up since I got seniored and I can see my posts straight away) I've never been to Berlian but I get the impression it's a similar set up to Marabaya, am I right? I've kinda exhausted the stock at the old 6th Floor and have been looking for a change lately.

It's great to be back I must go now and drown some shamrocks, I don't usually get the excuse to go out on a Thursday so I'm going to make the most of it, all together now: "In Dublin's fair city where the girl's are so pretty...hello Dede! Have you got any Irish in you? No? Would you like some?"

Master Diver II

03-17-05, 02:25

This will be my last word on this sad topic - I hope. It is indeed sad to see the decline of Maya and some others like her. Hers was not the only case i noticed in my short visit. One of the girls I was with on Friday night showed a marked change for the worse since December. I can only worry that if this rate of decline goes on, Jakarta may end up as paradise lost.

I agree with Bulai that it's easier to identify Maya by the photos posted. And you're right Chalky, the way she carried herself on Thursday would also lead me to believe that she's not aware that she is carrying anything. She was also very friendly on Friday night when she saw me surrounded by the gang of three. It's a lucky thing for me that I was not tempted to change my mind by her friendliness - she really can be a very nice girl to spend time with. What a pity! You're probably right Bulai; Maya has probably been mistreated and as with many of the women not accorded much respect by some. She also had to catch the disease from someone else too - who probably by now has infected quite a few Indonesian women. Bottom line is that we all have to be careful because you know these girls, nice as they are, wont be careful themselves.

I'm off to Medan next week and I hope to give a more positive report than the last one.

MD II

Tamurlane26

03-17-05, 03:13

MD and Bulai

Agreed let us move on to more positive topics as there are plenty in the offing. Am headed to Palu and Manado shortly and shall explore the scene there. In the case of Manado it is a bit like Livingstone seeking the source of the river nile. The reason being that if you ask around there are many girls in Jakarta all from Manado therefore my deduced reasoning is that the fun to be had there when they are still not wisened to the game should be interesting.

So as they say and you will be doing in Medan - watch this space !!

Gonzo Two

03-17-05, 06:25

I've never been to Berlian but I get the impression it's a similar set up to Marabaya, am I right? I've kinda exhausted the stock at the old 6th Floor and have been looking for a change lately.Dorman,

Not really the same setup.

Firstly, it is much more orientated towards the Chinese market, although Bules and others are made quite welcome.

Secondly, the rack rate is much lower, at Rp 200,000 (although a large tip for good service is almost obligatory, I'd say).

Thirdly, the women there are a fair bit older.

Fourthly, once you've been there a few times, the women tend to be much more relaxed and less of the 'clock watchers' that you find on the sixth floor - never heard of any 'one shot only' rubbish at Berlian.

Fifth, the women seem to be much more open to extreme sex - anal, dildos, all sorts of behavior that you don't often find at the sixth floor.

Sixth, on the down side, they are not so health and condom conscious - coupled with point five, that might be a bit worrying - often, if you don't say anything about a condom, they look like they won't bother either.

Finally, the managers/owners are often in evidence, unlike sixth floor - but they are a charming old couple, and, as others have noted, very welcoming.

Cheers,

Zero

03-17-05, 06:32

All this talk about diseases make me dizzy,
But nonetheless, it is very important.
I have share a few scare myself, having BBBJCIM with SW.
The bottom line is we need to protect ourself,
yes It's quite hard to think when all the blood have left your upper head.
But always protected, some of the STD I saw is just plain scary.
Have fun but be careful guys

BTW Dorman,
yeah, why not, Irish me, ...redhead, pale skin...hmmmm beautiful!
I wonder where can I get a green beer in Jakarta....
happy St Patrick to you!

XXL

03-17-05, 07:49

Doorman,

Was that fresh kampung girl by the name of Ella by any chance one of the "new" girls in Maribaya? She's one of the girls I may have exchanged gono with over Xmas and New Year then. I had her over with 3 other ones for New Year's Eve. Endearing creature, the sweetest thing on Earth, the kind even a hardened monger can literally fall in love with. And was that older girl you mention named S** or R**? Gono is common in Indonesia, silly not to follow a proper treatment. Cefixime 1x 400mg is all that's needed.

It's not as though Ella was not amenable to swallowing pills, let me tell you! I still have her phone number (she had a state-of-the-art camera hp) and I was looking forward to meet here again in May. But then, she will no longer be a "new girl, fresh from kampung", I gather. Whenever you meet a great girl in Jakarta, you'd better enjoy her there and then. No use putting things off or planning months ahead. The next time you get off the plane in Jakarta, chances are she will no longer be available, at least not in the same pristine state of mind.

About that girl Maya, are we alluding to Aids or to Syphillis? An indonesian doctor who came to give me some shots at Mercure told me "Syphillis is king disease in Indonesia". He was also amazed when I told him that back in Europe, Chlamydia was the STD number one, not gono. Now we're getting medical!

xxl

Jkt After Dark 2

03-17-05, 12:16

Excited,

I just updated my site www.jakartaafterdark.com Check out the Dispatchers and Escort Agencies parts. They should give you more info on the pricing, providers, etc.

Master Diver,

I am sorry I couldn't attend to your booking request last Friday. My nightlife tour services are in demand. Please send me an advance booking in the future.

Again I thank you for your interest.

MD II, Bulai69, XXL, Chalky26, Doorman, and Zero:

VD is very common.

This is an extreme story. Actually I had warned several members of this Forum who are known to me in person. I had this bule client weeks ago. We met at Super Kitchen restaurant at Pecenongan. He was not well when we were there. He refused to be taken to the hospital. It turned-out he's infected with HIV. This was what he told me. I had to cancel the tour.

I think he is angry. Seems that he deliberately tried to infect girls in a bordello in Blok M area, hotel and lower-end expat pick-up bars. Sorry I don't want to write them down for ethical reason. I am sure you guys figure them out. These are the places where he had been fucking around (I always checked things like this before I designed a tailor-made excursion). Seems that he was very keen in exploring kota bordellos, pick-up joints, and high end spas for his agenda. Lucky me I didn't add the problem.

I think advicing you guys to stop going to these bordello in Blok M area, hotel and lower-end expat pick-up bars until you are sure the girls are regenerated are too much. Instead I only ask you guys to use first class condom the one with spermecide. It kills sperm including VD and HIV viruses.

John Aldrich,

How are you doing John?

JAKARTA AFTER DARK

Mighty Spearsman

03-17-05, 17:19

A wise old person once said "choosing one does not exclude the other" or something like that. After writring several posts praising Kartika, now I would like to write a post in praise of Berlian!

Stopped by a couple of weeks ago on a Thursday around 6 p.m. The gentleman bouncer outside escorted me in and I found a full house of lovelies. As Mangga said in a recent post, yes, the younger girls seem to congregate in the main lounge while the more experienced ladies hang out in the bar on the left.

One of the younger girls stood up and came over to me and said "let's go." I liked what I saw so I followed her upstairs. Her name was Ina, about 22 years old, gorgeous face, dynamite body with nice firm titties. Turns out that her level of service was just as good as Kartika (except for no body-slide wash).

The hour started with her washing me from my chest to my knees while we were both standing up in the shower, then a great regular massage with her walking on my back for a solid 15 minutes. Then off to the good stuff. I was able to DATY and get her aroused, then she climbed on top for some BBBJ and covered cowgirl action, then several other positions. I had had a lot of sex during the previous few days, so I was able to hold my nut for a longer time than normal. No problem - she smiled and let me know that she wasn't going to quit until I finished. Which I did just as the phone rang to indicate that our hour was up, with a smile on my face.

At this point it would be difficult to make a choice between Cynthia of Kartika or Ina of Berlian - both are excellent choices! and if I choose to have a session with one of them next week, that doesn't mean that I don't like the other as well.

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P.S. Someone here recently said that they thought that Jakarta women are better at BJs than the Thai girls (excluding the BJ bars of course). Based on my experience in both countries, I'd have to agree. I've been in Indonesia for over a month now, and EVERY woman I've been with here has been highly skilled in the oral area.

Dorman

03-18-05, 04:45

Hi XXL, no Ella was never in Marabaya, I met her last March (2004) in CJ's, she looked lovely but was very drunk (new girls in town can never handle the drink when they get to Jakarta) I took her to my room and let her sleep it off on the sofa, she was so embarassed and apologetic the next morning I kinda fell for her. I met her and her mate a couple of times (I can't remember her mate's name I just remember she had a fit body for a 35 year old mother of three, but a rather unattractive hooter as I remember).

Anyway we hung about a bit, I visited them at their home (well I was invited by the older one who was very keen I should see her 'fridge', I was intrigued until I discovered it was her collection of tropical fish she wanted to show me). They hung about Tiga Puluh alot, that's where I met the older one a month or two later, and she told me Ella had started hanging around Chinatown and got her nastiness. All very sad really, by the way I think I know the 'Ella' of whom you speak in Marabaya, must remember to give her a wide berth in the future.

Well enough about the downside of this hobby I think, we'll all end up foreswearing it and going home and we can't have that now can we?

Tiny 12

03-18-05, 06:41

Well, I've been reading this forum for months now, but just got upgraded to Regular Member. Anyway, thanks to all the posters -- you've provided a lot of entertainment and knowledge, to me and others.

I was in Jakarta last month on business for about two weeks, staying at the Hotel Mulia. I figured that would be a great option, with CJ's bar in the building. Maybe kind of like staying at an upscale Hotel Melawai. Well, big mistake. The only thing of interest I found there were some very attractive good girls, who I couldn't communicate with, and some not-so-pretty hardened pros. Out of 7 or 8 visits, I only pulled one woman, and it was the worst experience of the trip.

Anyway, the only noteworthy experience was my last night of the trip. I'd been working from 8:00 AM to 10:00 PM every day, and it was time to have some fun. So I slipped away from colleagues at about 8:30 PM and headed off to Maribaya. There's a woman there who has giant breasts for an Indonesian (named Ratya, I think) and I had a good time with her. She's a little on the professional side, but great oral skills, and she'll act like she's your girlfriend if you ask her to.

Then it was time to head north a couple of blocks to a couple of Karaoke places. I was a little surprised. I traveled to Indonesia a lot between the end of 1997 and 2000, and this was my first trip since. Anyway, prices had shot up. Before you could have a good time in a Karaoke joint in Jakarta, complete with company of a woman, for less than what you'd spend in a conventional bar in Singapore or U.S. No more. Now one hour with a drink for you and a lady and a little plate of food runs about 250,000 Rupiah. Actually, price might not have been much higher for 2 or 3 hours, but this was my last night in Jakarta and I had a lot of territory to cover.

I continue north, to the Bule Bar area of Blok M, and hit D's Place first. There were lots of women and smoke, a few guys, and a dance contest going on. One woman was tall and drop dead gorgeous, but she didn't seem to want to talk to anyone. The most beautiful woman in the place, and totally into the dancing. She left after about 30 minutes, and I headed out about 15 minutes later.

Next stop, My Bar. This place was packed, and several of the women were beautiful, the equal of some of the good girls I was seeing in CJ's I'm drinking, having a good time, when a woman grabs me by my crotch and tells me her cousin wants to meet me. Her cousin, Novi, is tall, attractive but not beautiful, and looks very, very innocent. Anyway, we spend a couple of hours dancing, drinking, talking with her friends, which include the beauty I saw earlier at D's. Novi's cousin keeps grabbing my crotch. Finally I take Novi by the hand and drag her outside. A cab driver she uses regularly is there, and we head back to the hotel. Both of them were excited about going to the Mulia -- Novi because it was a nice place and the cab driver because it meant he could extort more money from me.

Ten minutes later and 50,000 Rupiah poorer, I'm back at the Mulia. The experience with Novi was on the emotional side. She was very intelligent, and interesting to talk with. Her Mom had died of lung cancer a couple of weeks earlier. Novi was working at a Korean Karaoke place. She said her customers were very rough with her and treated her badly. They like her to drink with them, so she'd get drunk virtually every night, and was constantly suffering from a cold or the flu. Her father is a strict Muslim who would have a heart attack if he knew what she's doing. Anyway, the sex was very passionate. She got mad the next morning when I tried to give her money, and was upset that I was leaving. And I don't think it was an act. Apparently I reminded her of a Dutch boyfriend she'd had, and for some reason she thought I was going to be in Jakarta a long time and a potential boyfriend. I actually think I told her the night before in the bar that I was leaving the following day.

Anyway, it was a nice trip to Jakarta, and I hope I have the opportunity to be back there again soon.

XXL

03-18-05, 09:46

Doorman,

No need to give the Maribya Ella a wide birth, I don't think she's more of a risk than the other girls on the game. The fact is you can't bareback long in Jakarta without catching gonorrhea. The difference between working girls and non working girls is that the former will usually be aware of the symtoms and know what they have to do. They will not remain infectious for a long time. Likewise, in a place like Tiara Ciara, girls under mamasan supervision will be less risky than free-lancers because they get regular jab sessions.

I usually stay no more than two weeks in Jakarta so I take the required cefixime dose 3 times in the course of these two weeks, the last one on the eve of my departure. This keeps lady gonorrhea at bay. Upon my return I do a 10-day vibramycin course to get rid of any chlamydia. If I were I to stay in Jakarta for longer periods, this regime would not be sustainable. I would then have to switch to a less promiscuous lifestyle.

xxl

Tamurlane26

03-18-05, 17:08

Dear Tiny 12

Your Novi so sweet in all her actions is a lovely girl who has entertained many other member of this forum. Am sure Bulai will testify to that and as for her tears on your departure it was more due to the loss of income than any other reasons.

Nice to see she has lost none of her emotional streak as this adds to her performance. Last time I saw her was the night Liverpool beat Newcastle 3-1 and being an avid Red finally meant something to celebrate. I tootled over to Starbucks where she met me before we adjourned to more salubrious surroundings and a nice use of baby oil to add to the fun and games. Massaging her is a pleasure I can assure you and sure others would testify to that.

It would appear though with my recent choice of hotel and companion and my undying loyalty to Liverpool that perhaps I should be making some new choices in life on my next trip !!

Enjoy and glad to see you in the FR's Tiny nice to read and here's to more trips in the future

Jose Marcia

03-18-05, 17:32

Hi fellow mongers,

I am an experienced traveler, but I have never been to Indonesia. Finally, I am planning to go to Jakarta for 10 days. I went thru the info on this board and found so much treasure by writers like Bulai, JAD, Chaulky, Pete, Menteng, M Spearsman, and Master Diver (sorry, originally wrote only M, but then had to rewrite Master lol). They sure are great contributors. Would someone be kind enough to give me some info?

1. Please give me the name of the best hotels that will suit my needs. I would like to go for 3/4-some and don’t want hassles with the hotel. Also, I don’t want heads turning in our directions. I would like a huge bed with a nice city view, and the room should not cost over Rs. 450K. I guess, $500 is enough for the hotel budget. Ambhara seems to meet my needs, but costs more. The hotel should also be close to the malls and night-life action. This hotel should also be reputable enough not to be turned down by mall/escort Indonesia girls. I do not need pool or gym (prefer to sexercise in my room). Unless, someone wants to suggest an apartment!

2. Should I book the room thru a number of sites referred on this board or should I wait until I reach CGK airport and book from there?

3. Anyone knows a good NYC agency that I can use to book my trip?

Thanks in advance.

Jaimito Cartero

03-18-05, 18:40

2. Should I book the room thru a number of sites referred on this board or should I wait until I reach CGK airport and book from there?

Well I can't comment on the other items with any real knowledge (3 or 4 girls is too much for me!), but I found the best deals by booking at the airport kiosks.

Ambhara would almost be in your range by booking at the airport. The bed when I stayed there was a queen size, but I didn't request anything larger.

Malaysian shows a $699 plus tax from the NYC area, but I don't have any other details on it.

Tiny 12

03-18-05, 18:53

Chalky,

Well, I thought she was crying when I left because of my good looks, kindness, and knowledge of how to please a woman. Now I find out it was because I paid too much. Those were tears of joy.

BTW, the name of the woman in Maribaya, who I saw a couple of times this trip, was actually Ratna I think. I used to see Dia there a lot, 4-5 years ago. Would be curious if anybody knows what happened to her.

Mighty Spearsman

03-19-05, 00:02

Dear Jose Marcia:

Thanks for mentioning me in your post, although I deserve a lower ranking than Bulai, Pete, Chalky, JAD and others.

Other hotels to consider are the Mercure (two blocks north of Kartika and Berlian Spa and the Stadium), Hotel Jayakarta, and Hotel Nikko (across from Plaza Indonesia/Grand Hyatt on Jalan M. Thamrin). All three might offer rooms in your price range. As far as a city view, Jakarta is so spread out that you'll never get to see everything, but any upper floor of almost every hotel should provide a decent view (unless the pollution is bad, then you'll just see smog).

Another decent (3 star) and lower-priced hotel I've stayed at in the past is Hotel Kemang - located to the south. It's a bit far from downtown but is relatively close to Blok M.

Regarding room rates, booking at the airport seems to be cheaper. But you may also have good luck by negotiating directly with a hotel over the telephone. Tourism has dropped off noticeably since the tsunami on Dec. 26th, so many hotels might be willing to bargain for your business. Maybe tell them that you're here as an independent consultant for a U.S. AID project and then ask them if they have a government rate - works for me most times.

**********************

For transport, taxis are relatively cheap. I also recommend that you familiarize yourself with the north-south bus route for the Transjakarta bus, which has its own dedicated lane. Even at the height of rush hour, you'll be able to board a bus near the Hotel Mercure and get to Blok M in less than 20 minutes. Runs until 10 p.m.

Hope you have a good trip, and please post about your adventures, especially any 3-somes and 4-somes!

XXL

03-19-05, 10:48

Millenium Sirih is another hotel I once checked into. It's in the price range 45-50 dollars. It is situated a stone's throw from Tanamour and Jay-Jay, two discos which used to be favourite bule hangouts but which have since gone down. It is half way between Kota and Blok M by cab, an ideal configuration if you don't want to commit yourself to either Kota or Blok M as your favourite hunting ground. It is also a five minutes' drive from Plaza Indonesia and the Jalan Blora area (Jalan Blora is a second-rate red-light district). Otherwise the immediate surroundings are dead, especially at night.

Booking through the Internet is not a good idea in Jakarta. Take a look at the Internet booking site:

http://www.indo-vacation.com/hotel/jakarta/milleniumsirih.htm

You see the cheapest rates are above 60 dollars. Well, I'm confident you can get better rates by calling them directly or, as mentioned below, by booking from the Airport. Book only two days at first, they usually give you the same promotional rate if you want to stay on. Jakarta has had a hotel overcapacity ever since Suharto took the plunge.

A final note: some mongers don't bother much about a hotel's situation because taxis are so cheap in Jakarta. I do because I want some places to be within walking distance. The Indonesian parliament has just voted to stop subsidising petrol prices so taxi fares may go up sharply in the near future.

Regarding the Transjakarta route (aka "Busway"), I take some exception with the figure just given by Spearman. I timed the drive between Mercure (Mangga Besar) and Blok M on three occasions and I invariably came up with 40 minutes give or take a minute. This is still twice to three times less than you would take by taxi, except late at night and on Sundays when traffic is not congested.

Tamurlane26

03-19-05, 17:33

Agree with the comments of my learned bretheren on the following:-

Mercure - close to Chinatown and less likely to make noise on the numbers you bring to your bed
Sparks - also near Lokasari - new and well located for the Lokasari crew
Century Atlet - nice rooms and central location - close by for Mulia and walking distance to Senayan Mall - big beds also so no issues there and security are blind at night !! Meaning no comments will be made
Millenium Sirih - if only Tanamour and JJ;s had retained their luster or is it plan lust

As for pricing the best bet is at the airport and would not trust the internet for Jakarta.

As for moving around - if your moving is up and down then why go around !! Once you have selected from one of the many recommendations here then you should lie back and enjoy the view from underneath and not out the window.

Happy hunting and perhaps our paths will cross am expecting my call-up this week also and with it my century posting

Jkt After Dark 2

03-21-05, 06:42

Kl Tonight

03-21-05, 10:14

Hi Jose,

You can also consider Wahid Hasyim area, located in between Kota and Blok M too. There are 3 decent hotels, Ibis Thamrin, Ibis Arcadia (both same mgt as Mercure) and Hotel Cemara. Their rate about 300-400k RP, dependent breakfast. You got lots of food nearby (Sarinah, America Chili, Indo stall/restaurant). Jln Jaksa (many bule backpacker) also nearby. By taxi, go to Plaza indo around 10 min or less dependent on traffic.

Cheers,

LC

Masked Avenge

03-21-05, 10:21

I am a long-time reader, first-time contributor. Just received my upgrade WOOHOO!!

I am coming for a holiday between 22 April and 22 May. My plans involve a few days in Bali, a couple in Surabaya, maybe a week in Jogja, a week in Jakarta, a couple of days in Bandung, then probably back to Jkt and Bali.

I enjoy meeting cewek nakal at clubs more than massage-type places (although they do have a certain alure). I have only tried a couple of places in Bali (Bounty and Paddy's) but would like to try more (Double 6 etc). I am reasonably familiar with Surabaya (Desperados at Shangri La, Kowloon and Stasiun being my faves). I have been to a couple of places in Jogja (Papillon, Hugo's). In Jakarta I enjoy the bule bars around Blok M (D's, Oscars, My Bar, Melawai) and have also tried Stadium, 1001 and a couple of others.

I also tried Dolly. I think this time I may go back and get 3 or even 4 and really party. The "hamburger" at Kartika was delicious and I would love to "eat" some more. I have been to the famous 6th floor but not yet tried what is on offer. Some luck has been had in malls in Surabaya (which I will try again) and I want to give it a go in Jakarta too.

I have no idea about Bandung.

I guess I just want to know if these places are still happening and any new places to check. I am coming with a friend so I want to show him a good time. It would be cool to meet up with any of you that want to party.

Geemeester

03-21-05, 15:51

Bulai69

03-21-05, 19:16

Hi - you seem pretty familiar with places already, you don't say when you last came to Indonesia however. The places you mention are certainly still "happening" and certainly ada banyak cewek nakal - di mana mana! Jakarta is considerably better than Bali in my experience (I'm talking about girls, obviously). By way of example, a girl I know very well is "on holiday" there at the moment; she is particularly outstanding I have to say, but she can be had for 300 - 500k no problem in Jakarta. However, I know she is getting 1 million regularly and has had 1.5 million more than once recently. That tells you something about supply and demand in Bali.

From what you said you should try mall hunting in Jakarta - a subject on which a great deal has been written in the forum.

John Aldrich

03-21-05, 20:16

Hi folks,

Its been a long time. I was away from Indonesia. Just arrived Monday morning. Have been missing Indonesia and its lovely brown skins. I came last morning and just crashed due to a long flight from Europe. Got up last evening. Decided to go somewhere nearby and went to Deleila. I am sure you folks would have read one of my postings about Marsya, the girl whom I had from Deleila. This was the girl about whom I had also mentioned that she appeared on the centrespread of Pop magazine. I had also mentioned here in the forum that she was offered a decent sum of money to act in a porn film. This girl has been my favourite.

Before leaving my place, I kept sending her a whole lot of SMS asking her to meet up in Deleila. But it was'nt being delivered. I then called the HP and kept getting recorded messages. I then decided to go to Deleila. I found Sarah there. I asked her about Marsya. And she gave me a bombshell. She said that the girl had an attack of Aids and just passed away last thursday. I was dumbstruck. And Sarah non chalantly asked me whether I wanted to take her instead. I was too dumbfounded. And I asked Sarah, wether she knew why she got Aids and she said yes, she would not have used a condom. And when I asked her whether she has started using a condom, she said it depends. And during the chat with her, I could figure out from her that she was not actually concerned about Aids, but instead told me that its all fate.

I was too shocked. Just gulped a few Bacardi's. And came out, picked up my car and here I am keying in this info. I guess its going to take me some time to overcome this. All the more because, Marsya was a very special girl. She was a big structured for a Indo girl at 5 feet 7 inches. She was good at her English and extremely Gorgeous. And I have even taken her out to some of my parties and she conducted herself with such grace. And she was Catholic from Sumatra. And I remember one day she having phoned me up. She asked me whether I can join her to Church on that Sunday at St. Teresa. I said yes. And on the way she said, her sister who was a nun, was coming in from Singapore to St. Teresa's and she wanted to be present with someone whom she can introduce as a colleague. I asked her why she wanted to lie and she said, she did not want her sister to know about her vocation and she had told her sister that she worked for a travel agency. I asked her about her pix in Pop and that her sister could have seen it. She said, her sister does not read such magazines and does not have access to it in Singapore.

And finally the girl managed to get a job in a travel agency and stopped coming to the bars unless called specifically on weekends. She had a limited clientele who were only regulars whom she met outside in some cafe. I called her and met her a few months back in Pasar festival and took her to the motel in Gatot Subroto.

To think of it, I always used Condoms. Even if it was a known girl. Think of it, I guess I am saved. But am planning to go to SOS to have a HIV test done the first thing in the morning.

Someone in this forum has mentioned that Jakarta girls have Gonorrea. Hope its only that. But then one odd girl like Marsya could also be there. Please for heaven's sake, use the cap. Even if the girl looks fresh. Never know who used her 2 hours before you did.

I guess its gonna take some time for me to hit the road, even if the HIV test result turns out to my liking.

Cheers,

Buc Punter

03-22-05, 02:52

Yeah I know her, I am that Dutch boyfriend. Met her last year July last time. Very horny thing :)Wait a second! I was just about to say that I am that Dutch boyfriend. Now I'm confused.

Calico

03-22-05, 07:21

John Aldrich,

Wow! Your story was shocking to me. I always thought that AIDS would never happen with people near us. It is a false belief now!

Deep in my mind, there is a denial - maybe Sarah was just envy Marsya?

For the peace of mind, you may need to check with other people ie. the manager?

I do hope that your test is negative.

Let's stay safe & covered!

Calico

Masked Avenge

03-22-05, 09:20

I have been to Indo several times in the last few years and last visited almost exactly 1 year ago. I am going to Bali because we get very good package deals (including a few nights accomodation) from Australia, so I arrive and leave from there. Last time I experienced a similar scenario to what you mentioned - I met a girl in Jakarta then saw her a few nights later in Bali asking twice as much. Prices are always higher for the tourist trade - an economic reality. Having said that, she can poke 1.5 mill right up the bunghole - terlalu mahal!!

I am keen to try the malls in Jakarta. I have been to Pasa Raya and Plaza Indonesia but not tested the waters. Any suggestion as to whether these are a good bet or should I try elsewhere?

I still love the clubs. How cool is it to go there and know you can go home with anyone you choose!! I've got a boner already hehehe.

Zippy

03-22-05, 10:01

The last couple of weeks, a buddy and I have been frequenting the group of short-time bars in Chinatown called MTR, Laras Ayy, and Sari Ayu. Well, he was keeping score and calculated that 45 percent of the cewek he brought back to the rooms had observable STD's. These included warts/bumps, oozing white fluid, and sores. Wrap that sucker up, guys...

Zero

03-22-05, 10:29

Zero,

I visited Emporivm last night. I took 2 pictures yesterday. 8 PRC in transparant white panties and tank tops joined the crowd in the pool at 6.30 p.m. - 7.30 p.m. in 4 to 4 team. I took the first 3 pictures few weeks ago.

I still have a lot picture collection. Maybe I should post them. But I still have to locate them.

JAKARTA AFTER DARK

Darn it JAD,
That blurry picture of yours are enough to evoke my inner curiosity :)
BTW JAD pardon my memory, but have tell me about this place before?
I don't have any recolection about this place whereabout.
Would you mind telling me again?
thanks, you are the MAN!!!

Jose Marcia

03-22-05, 16:17

Thanks to all of you who spared time to reply to my inquiry. Once i complete my trip, I will definitely contribute this board with a report.

What do you folks think about me staying in Menteng area?

I found Golden Hotel with an internet price of $36 a night. The hotel and the rooms look decent enough. What do you folks think?

Thanks again.

Buc Punter

03-22-05, 16:40

I wouldnt exactly say Hotel Golden was in the Menteng area. It's closer to north jakarta. It's an ok hotel. But it depends on what you are looking for. If you want to spend most of your time in North Jakarta at the *****houses like MTR, Sari ayu, Kartika, TC, etc catering mostly to locals, you are close to that. But if you want to go to Blok M where most of the westerners hang out, you are quite far from that. Taxis are not expensive, but you need to be careful what time of day you are travelling. Rush hour in Jakarta, the traffic moves extremely slowly. At Golden, you will need to be taking a taxi wherever you go.

MarkIII

03-22-05, 18:44

Jose,

I stayed there 1 night some 5 months ago and I really can not recommend it. I almost could not park my car in the basement. Rooms are pretty old. the hotel is still under renovation. And the location isn't that good too.

They have a massage parlor in the building, you can enter it through the basement prices are Rp. 500.000 I passed.

You better stay in / arround jl. Wahid hasym.. etc. hotel Arcadia etc. great location

cheers MarkIII

Jkt After Dark 2

03-23-05, 08:25

Zero and several members of this Forum who PM me:

Sorry. I don't remember the exact address. But It is in Jl. Pecenongan. Kota area. It is in the same street with Alila and Red Top Hotel.

Fasilities only 60K. Massage Therapy 200 - 300K. Depends on the room. FS extra service. 300K tip. Depends on nego. PRC only for FS. 1.5 million 1.5 hour. 1 million 45 minutes. THEY DON'T COME CHEAP.

JAKARTA AFTER DARK

Da Wing

03-23-05, 11:28

I will be going down to Jakarta in a couple of weeks and am looking forward to some fun as I have not been there for years!!

Is Hartono still operating there?? If so, can anyone PM me his contact.

Thanks and will definitely post my "adventures" once mission completed.

Bulai69

03-23-05, 19:26

You mention Pasa Raya and Plaza Indonesia: certainly they are good places, Plaza Indonesia is definitely the better of the two (quality/hit rate). The best place in terms of hit rate is definitely Atrium but the quality is lower. Plaza Senayan is probably the best for quality but you should expect a lower hit rate. My observations are, of course, only based on my own experience. If you look back at my photo posts you will see a representative sample of girls I've found in each of the above places. The downside, but also the excitement, of mall hunting is that you never know who you are going to find or even if you are going to find anyone, so it's not a strategy to be followed if you are desperate for immediate results.

Jaimito Cartero

03-24-05, 09:47

I arrived in Jakarta last night. I found the Garuda direct flight from Bangkok to be decent. Of course I was in Business Class, so that could have always colored my opinion.

None of the hotels that I wanted (Ibis Arcadia, etc) were available. I ended up getting a deluxe room at the Ciputa, which was pretty moderate. I then booked two more nights at Cemara. I'm off to Bali on the 26th, and will decide where I'll stay (when I come back) before I leave for there.

The Indotel booth was trying to get me to change dollars for 9000 to the dollar. These guys are pretty dumb, as I would have changed for the 9150 the booths were giving me before I did it with them. I had 70000 from my last trip, but did't figure that would get me to the hotel.

One good note is that they do accept MasterCard and Visa, which Kaha didn't the last time I was there.

I paid too much 357,500 for the Deluxe room at Ciputa (About 130000 above their standard room but they only had the deluxe room available). This place is noisy, and the doorbells are beyond annoying. The staff was nice, though.

I paid 290k per night for the Cemara. Seems nice so far.

I'm not sure the best way to get from the airport to the hotel. There don't appear to be any BlueBird taxi's on offer there, just a SilverBird stand. After 10 taxi's swore they were BlueBird (But hey, I'm not *that stupid*, I can look for the logo on their taxi's!), I saw the SilverBird stand, and headed for that. The Taxi's had quoted me 150000. The SilverBird cost me 85,000 including airport fee/toll.

I'm going to contact a guy that Bulai69 gave me and see if I can set anything up for tonight. If not, I'll go out and see what I can find. Maybe Block M?

It is pretty tough to get a good wireless hookup here in Jakarata. I had to settle and pay 90k a day for a 256k room hookup.

Buc Punter

03-24-05, 09:55

Jaimito,

How much was a business class ticket on Garuda Bangkok to JKT?

I'll be arriving in Bangkok in a few days then flying down to Jakarta as well.

Masked Avenge

03-24-05, 09:59

Does anyone know the location of any strip clubs in Jakarta/Bali? I am keen to try. Any idea of price?

What about naked sushi girls? I have heard that you can get them at 1001 disco. Hopefully someone has tried (or at least has info).

Fun Times69

03-24-05, 11:04

JC,

From your previous postings you've hung out a stadium a couple of times. Once, coming out of stadium in a rather drunken state I stumbled across a rather sleazy strip club in the same grubby street that stadium is situated. Step out of stadium, turn right (thats away from the main road) and about 20 metres down the grubby street past the 'glow in the dark' chicken satay warungs I went into another club on the left.

Can't remember its name but it was on the left. On the ground floor there was a darkened room full of indonesians watching a stripper and there was a club upstairs. No bule to be seen. Quite a few decent looking chicks around but I was condemned to look from afar - I was with the girlfriend!

I'm gonig back to jkt and bali soon and was wondering if it was still there or was it all a figment of my imagination. JC or anyone??

Mighty Spearsman

03-24-05, 16:39

I arrived in Jakarta last night...I'm not sure the best way to get from the airport to the hotel. There don't appear to be any BlueBird taxi's on offer there, just a SilverBird stand. After 10 taxi's swore they were BlueBird (But hey, I'm not *that stupid*, I can look for the logo on their taxi's!), I saw the SilverBird stand, and headed for that. The Taxi's had quoted me 150000. The SilverBird cost me 85,000 including airport fee/toll.

It is pretty tough to get a good wireless hookup here in Jakarata. I had to settle and pay 90k a day for a 256k room hookup.

Actually Silverbird is part of the Bluebird company (they also have a Goldenbird subsidiary if I'm not mistaken). Bluebird taxis are for travelling around town, while Silverbird seems to focus on airport runs and longer runs to places outside of downtown. You were smart to go for the Silverbird, as the price was much better (under U.S. $10)

You are also correct about the problems in getting a good wireless hookup. Last time I stayed at the Mandarin Oriental, I had to pay around 135K for a Broadband hookup in my room.

Menteng

03-24-05, 23:48

To ad a little confusion, the Blue Bird group is way much bigger than is supposed. You might say that every blue coloured taxi belongs to that group. But beware of the blue coloured ones that says Presiden taksi. They changed their company colour from yellow to a blue that is similar to the colour of the Blue Bird group. They are still notorious!

Menteng

03-24-05, 23:58

Do you mean stripping stark naked? Even nowadays that's rarely done, except for in private rooms. Topless is still really something and therefore(?) the limit. But maybe bro XXL can tell us what is on in his "backyard".

JC,

Can't remember its name but it was on the left. On the ground floor there was a darkened room full of indonesians watching a stripper and there was a club upstairs. No bule to be seen. Quite a few decent looking chicks around but I was condemned to look from afar - I was with the girlfriend!

Jaimito Cartero

03-25-05, 04:27

Actually Silverbird is part of the Bluebird company (they also have a Goldenbird subsidiary if I'm not mistaken).

Yep, I'm well aware of the divisions. Thanks, though! :) As long as they have the little bird logo, I know I'm okay. I guess I wonder how the other taxi companies stay in business. It does seem that 80% of the time I was forced into another brand of taxi they tried to rip me off.

I have a low rip-off factor. I go to stupid lengths to avoid them. IE, I'll walk a mile not to pay a 25% rip off add on. It doesn't make sense, but, hey...

Jaimito Cartero

03-25-05, 04:33

I met up with a friend of Bulai69's last night in Jalan Jaksa. It's an interesting area, for sure. Seems a lot of, cough, worn out expat guys. I've seen lots worse, though!

I took one girl who was hanging out there, a mid 20's wanita named Chika. I was talking spanish to her all night, and trying to teach her a few words at least.

I'm going out adventuring to one of the malls this afternoon, probably just to pick up some DVDs and such. I'm leaving tomorrow night to Bali, so only a day or so left in Jakarta (But 3 more, when I come back next week).

I've got to find a US/Indo plug for my laptop. My power converter overheats when I try to use it for long. The computer will take the juice, just nees the right plug!

Hung Man 1808

03-25-05, 08:06

JC,

Probably just better to head to a Starbucks and use the wireless broadband there. Heaps of them around including Plaza Indonesia, Senayan, the stock market building etc. Five hours for 190 000 rupiah. It worked, wasn't too slow (not too fast either) and got me by. Only hassles is working on a small table, and getting somewhere where people can't see what is on your screen.

Khun Larry

03-25-05, 09:05

Hello Fellow Mongers,

Can anyone comment on the freelance scene in Jakarta compared to BKK? Any similarities? Do they have beer gartens or beer bars?

Also can someone name a few bars where the westerners hang out.

Thanks

KL

Fun Times69

03-25-05, 09:18

I'm not sure if it was full naked menteng but I'll check it out if no-one else has when I return next month. As you said, probably the best place to get a full strip is to use a 'karaoke' room in one of the clubs and have a strip tease as part of the service. Almost all the clubs - 1001, Stadium, etc have them.

At 4am after a night clubbing sometimes its a little difficult to maintain total recall!

Yes, Jalan Jaksa has some rather little worn out individuals hanging out there. bule and indo.

Jkt After Dark 2

03-25-05, 11:56

John Aldrich,

John. Glad to learn that you are alive and kicking.

Jaime Cartero:

Jaime. Seems that you are hooked with Jakarta's charm (small smile). About broadband connection, Parklane charges 50K extra for 24 hours broadband connection.

Zero,

Yes. The pictures are blurry. Pics contain nudity were taken in bordellos. I will try to upload them some other times.

1001 used to charge 3.5 million for ST (1 shot in reality) for the Ruskies and PRC. Now they charge 2.5 million. This excludes the room, drinks, and foods.

JAKARTA AFTER DARK

Jkt After Dark 2

03-25-05, 12:17

Da Wing,

Hartono charges 3 Million Rupiah for 3 hours. 3 Million Rupiah is normal rate for expensive service in Jakarta. Some charge 5 Million Rupiah for 3 hours. The girls are clean. But, I disagree with the quality. Hartono's quality is not what it used to be during late 80's to late 90's. I took my nightlife tour clients to Hartono. Most agree with my opinion.

Words of advice. DON'T TAKE THIS SERVICE FROM AN AGENCY WHO HAS NO REPUTATION AT ALL.

JAKARTA AFTER DARK

Bulai69

03-25-05, 12:30

JC mentions Jl Jaksa which suprisingly doesn't often get mentioned in here. As he says, its a hang out for impoverished back packers, expats (worn out is good expression) who have been around for years, often "english teachers" - a requirement for which is only that you can speak some form of english. (Just to be clear, I don't fall into these catagories myself!)

There are a lot of "low price" but good value girls there but also a lot of real dogs. Many cafe's are open 24 hours so if you don't score by 3am (Only likely if you arive in Jakarta after 2.55am) you can always find something down there. Although there are usually a lot of bules around, competition is not as bad as it might seem because the girls get to know the ones who don't have any money. You can hear them chattering about "binul miskin" (poor bules) if you keep your ears open.

Jkt After Dark 2

03-25-05, 12:41

Da Wing,

Either my broadband connection is too slow or the server is too busy. I will upload more pics on Hartono's collection some other times.

JAKARTA AFTER DARK

Buc Punter

03-25-05, 13:54

I haven't heard "binul miskin" before. What is the translation of "binul". I've heard "Bule Miskin" and "Bule Jaksa" alot though. Most places in Jakarta, if the girls are referring to a guy as "Bule Jaksa", that means he's a cheap charlie and maybe also that he doesnt have any manners.

Bulai69

03-25-05, 16:41

Buc Punter - Binul = bule, the former, I would say is more widely used "in the street" than the latter. It's more slang but not really impolite - "native" speakers may correct me on that, but it's my impression. Listen out next time you hear girls jabbering to each other.

Mangga

03-26-05, 02:25

John Aldrich,

Do you think you were really told the truth about the girl with AIDS. As I understand it, AIDS is a very long lingering disease and symptoms start appearing over a very long period of time. And the fatal symptoms take even longer to develop. People usually die from another disease to which they have no resistance because of HIV. They don't usually die from the virus itself.

The girl you spoke with didn't sound like she gave a damn about the girl. So did she really know her so well?

If she seemed fine and healthy when you last saw her (how long ago?), it seems unlikely she would develop all the symptoms and die in that time.

I'm not suggesting we should hide from reality on this stuff, but stories can get pretty garbled in the telling. Especially in the Jakarta P4P scene.

Da Wing

03-26-05, 03:42

JAD,

Thanks for your info. Look forward to my long awaited trip to Jakarta.

Dorman

03-26-05, 05:51

Coincidentally I was chatting to an Indonesian girl yesterday and she told me that the Avenue Bar in Hotel Sari Pan Pacific had strippers, I took that with a large grain of salt I have to say but I pass the info on for what it's worth.

Bulai you mention how Jaksa gets little mention around here (rightly so in my opinion, I don't like the place at all) but what about another Jakarta landmark that is never mentioned, Bugils Cafe? I never go there but it's supposed to be legendary, what's your opinion? And has anyone heard of the Three Horses bar, it apparently caters mainly for the Arabs and Africans but is reputed to be quite a hot spot?

Jaimito Cartero

03-26-05, 07:05

So far it's been interesting. I'm more of a laid back guy, and I've found it pretty adequate so far. Only a couple of hawkers, one trying to force me to buy a blowgun (I think). I got a haircut down the street at the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) Salon. Love that name!

The little Bistro (Ya-Udah) has got good quality stuff and reasonably priced. I went off to Ratu Plaza to pick up some DVD's to watch, and my adaptor plug at CarreFour (7900 for a multiple plug version).

I saw what seems to be everyones favorite here, Miss N**i. I saw some pictures of her earlier (Tattoo on left breast), and she delivered pretty nicely. I've got some pictures, but don't know if it's too redundant to post after the coverage she's gotten already.

I'm off to Bali this evening, so lots of little things to do.

Tercar 66

03-26-05, 07:25

Guys,

I have travelled a lot ,almost 26 countries and had fun in almost all countries. I have'nt yet been to Indonesia and I am planning to make a visit next month. Can you tell be if Bali or Jakarta is the right place for nightlife sex. Are all hotels girl frendly? can some one brief me the rate in USD for short time and full night pickups in nightclubs or escort services. I am thinking weather to go to Manila, which I already have been to or to Indonesia. My trip depends on your advice.

Menteng

03-26-05, 10:23

Binul does mean bule, but it is a word most used by gay's. Another word that also belong to their vocabulary is "sepong". It means "blowjob". Those words and others have found their way in Jakarta hetero conversations.

Fun Times69

03-26-05, 10:46

I always really enjoyed a few of the bars down Jalan Jaksa. There's about three worth visiting: BFC has a lot of tables outside and is a good place to chill out with a few beers - predominately backpackers and English Teachers. Margot's cafe has some nice indonesian food. I tried nasi goreng there once and it was good for the price. And another place maybe halfway down on the right that specialises in live music (okay I suppose).

The Cafe/Bistro that JC refers to is probably one of the nicer places to eat down Jln Jaksa. Ya-Udah can be easily spotted as it's bright yellow and is down the far end of the street on the left hand side as the one way traffic goes. It's very good value and does Indo food and a load of other stuff from other countries.

Can appreciate Jln Jaksa isn't everyone's cup of tea but there's plenty of places around Jakarta to suit all tastes.

Only went to Bugils Cafe once or twice last time but it does have quite a good, relaxed atmosphere.

John Aldrich

03-26-05, 19:20

I received confirmation from her sister itself that she died of Aids. Apparently she started losing weight drastically and became like a skeleton and one fine day passed away. Her family was shattered. None of them knew that she was into prostitution. And the sad part was that she had quit regular prostitution quite some time back and taken up a job in Bayu Buana Tours and travels but had a fixed clientele whom she entertained once in a blue moon after a lot of cajoling. The only consoling factor for me now is that I have not attracted Aids and have been cleared by SOS. Just think its because I never resorted to a bare back act of sex other when given a bbbj.

And Sarah had not lied to me. She knew that I was pretty close to her and always called her to Deleila where I got her a drink and then went out with her through the night.

Anyway, I guess no one can change fate. But just one message is very clear, never venture bare back anywhere. Even the cleanest of the females can harbour the Virus.

Cheers

Bulai69

03-26-05, 21:05

Dorman - I agree; my observation that Jaksa isn't often mentioned should not be taken as a suggestion that it should be! As far as Bugils is concerned I've been there a few times in the day and evening and never yet seen a girl who looks like she is "up for it". Definitely not a pick up place in my experience but I'm happy to be contradicted: having said that I've never actually tried because I've always gone with somebody from work.

Tercar 66 - I have travelled a lot too and I can tell you that Jakarta is the best place I've ever been for my style of girl hunting. The key difference between Jakarta and many "sex tourism" places is that whilst there is almost no "in your face" sex activity (cf Bangkok/Manila) it's all there. Forget Bali if girl related nightlife (or daylife ) is your only criterion. All hotels are girl friendly. You can get a girl as good as you can find anywhere on the planet for 30USD all night. Best if you look back in the forum for where to find them, I (and others) have posted photo's with "prices" and where they have been found.

Dorman

03-27-05, 03:44

Tercar, I think you'll find that most of us here would put Jakarta way ahead of Bali in the hobby league (though not in the touristy league, for that Jakarta stinks!). The same girls you'll find in Bali looking for 1m Rps (roughly USD 100) can be had for 300 000 Rps in Jakarta without the hassle of beating off drunken Aussies in their Bir Bintang tank tops. Plus - and this is getting to be a bugbear of mine - unlike Bali, Jakarta is not positioning itself to be gay sex capital of SE Asia.

I've never been to Manila but I imagine it's something like Bangkok, well Jakarta's not like that at all, but worry not, scratch a micromilimeter under the surface and you will find a seething sex scene second to nowhere on the planet, with an abundance of some of the sweetest, most uninhibited fun girls to be found walking this earth. I exagerate only slightly, old hands will tell you that Jakarta's not what it was ten years ago - well as someone else said in another place unless they were handing it out free back then I can't see how it could possibly be any better (and for what it's worth I've met a few who are handing it out for free right now).

It's my contention that at this moment, pound for pound, dollar for dollar you simply cannot beat Jakarta. However when you first arrive you may well find that the place looks appalling and immediately book the first plane to Bangkok, I know that's what I did! But read the reports here, it's worth the effort, for you are about to enter one of the truly great pussy paradises and all you need is the info provided here to unlock it. If you doubt my word go to the jakartablokm website and look at the pictures of the MyBar calender, these girls are not models they are just regular working girls who can be found around Blok M any weekend night.

Incidentally I had a free Saturday evening last night and decided to get a quickie before the England v Northern Ireland match (groan, oh well at least the men in green kept a clean scoresheet for the first 45 minutes, and technically they did score two goals even if they were into their own net). I headed to Marabaya at five pm passing as I did a great giggling gaggle of my regulars going home from the early shift. Anyway I chose four girls I'd never had before and they were the usual good performers, but I'd like to mention in dispatches two particular girls; Tuni and Ecka. Tuni is a big girl of about 30, you can't miss her, her tits come into the room twenty seconds before she does and Ecka is a pretty little thing about 4' 10". As the other two were doing that nipple kissing thing (don't know about you guys but that does nothing for me) T & E were down below taking shifts at licking everything in the region. Then, quite unasked for they started a lesbian show, now usually these are fairly tame as you know the girls aren't really into it but this was good, I'm sure they were only acting but hell what did I care, I'd have given them an Academy award there and then just for the performance. Well it's worth bearing in mind if you fancy some Sapphic Action when you're on the 6th Floor.

Jaimito Cartero

03-27-05, 04:45

You'd really be wasting your time with Jakarta. It's too dirty, and you just won't enjoy it.

(Okay, really, do you think I scared him off? :)

I hope Jakarta doesn't get more popular, because I see what will happen if it does. I'm only a newcomer, and the hidden beauties here are just amazing.

There is a bit of a tradeoff. You have to dig in the diamond mines to find the diamonds. If you look only on the surface, you'll just find dirt (and it may smell like shit).

I've been a lot of places, but when we're talking about quality for dollar amount, Jakarta is king. I paid 200,000 for a nice visit with a tight mid 20's girl that I wrote about yesterday. While not the hottest looking girl in RI, (I'd rate her as a 7.5-There are some *amazing* beauties here), she would get at least 10 times that price in Bangkok.

Jakarta is huge, smelly, and the traffic can be a real biatch sometimes. You can find nice hotels for a reasonable amount. I paid 290,000 for a nice room (no breakfast) at Cemara near Jalan Jaksa. You can find other reasonable housing for 250,000-500,000 a night.

You can even negotiate a bit with the hotels. I booked two nights at the airport, but didn't want to have to go through the hassle again when I come back next week. I asked the hotel if they'd give me the same rate, and they did.

Menteng

03-27-05, 11:25

Tercar,

To ad a little information on Dorman's report. Tuni is also great in giving AR. Let her do it while you're f...ing the other one. Great! And Maribaya is on the 6th floor of Hotel Melawai I.

Jkt After Dark 2

03-27-05, 11:51

Menteng:

You are right. Binul is a gay slang. Along w/ Binos = Boss (refer to generous spender).

Arca is an abbrev. of Acaraan. Means sex with compensation. Acara alone in proper Bahasa Indonesia means venue. This slang is used by amateurs (students, regular girls). Working girls don't used this slang.

JAKARTA AFTER DARK

Mangga

03-28-05, 00:04

JC is absolutely correct. Jakarta is a complete shithole with awful traffic. As a city it has nothing attractive about it, no interesting tourist venues, not much street life, mediocre food, no history or culture, filthy weather and even filthier air. Bangkok, Manila or even Bali are far better set up for tourists. And most airlines fly there, unlike Jakarta, which is on the way to nowhere.

Dorman

03-28-05, 02:44

Dunia David

03-28-05, 05:01

Dorman,

This is the place located behind Menteng Hotel in Cikini Raya I believe.

Out of interest I had a look see one night. Arrived a little too early and chatted to the older mamasan on the floor that was hawking "her stock".

Very much aimed at the Arab market - which seems to enjoy a "larger boned" lady than the usual blok m bule stock of size 6 and under. More use of the on the floor mamasan rather than freelance, but I was there early. There were arabs also in there not for business and they kept rather to themselves.

If after some Arab flavour you could try the club in basement at Oasis Amir Hotel in Senen. This seems to be the pick for young Indonesian born Arabs. Aimilar to Chinese you will find many kept to their own type but after all the easy pickings a challenge can be most enjoyable in the big durien.

Stiff in Jakarta

03-28-05, 11:32

this is my first post!!! i have lived in jakarta for 8 years and have read this site with great interest for a while now. i had a great night in 2001 (name of place) with a few guys a couple of years ago. we had 3 strippers who smoked from their pussys and dropped grapes out also. they were great in the looks department and took us into the adjoining bedroom/ bathroom for whatever was required, as required. the rooms were kareoke rooms by the way. after we ordered the strippers the kareoke girls left us, the strippers then came in and at the push of a button the whole room changed, it was rather impressive for jakarta i thought. the place is in hayam wuruk, for those that dont know.

keep up the good work boys and i hope to meet up with some of you one day for an ale or three.

Turbo Sport

03-28-05, 19:51

Hey Mangga, Jaimito,

You're right, you're right, I'm sorry, I'd had too much to drink, can't imagine what I was thinking about, Rio, Havana, Prague somewhere else entirely, Jakarta a sex destination? Don't make me laugh, that nasty horrible shithole full of poe-faced virgins, sheesh! No sirree bob, nothing going on here, keep going, turn right at Singapore and you'll find Pattaya, that's got everything you need right on the street, plenty of Connect 4 games too, keep you amused for hours. Yup, Jakarta's just the dullest place on Earth, makes Huddersfield look like Buenos Aires, honest Guv I'd be outta here in a shot if it wasn't for my commitments...(whistles non chalantly)...Ok, d'ya think that's convincing enough, wow, sorry guys I really must learn to shut up.Surprising how your comments are contrary to those of others who think that Jakarta is one of the best kept secrets in Asia.

Indonesian girls have more sense of decency and do not like to flaunt flesh liberally like the Thais and the Filipinas, but if you manage to get laid they can be the least inhibited and satisfying partners in bed.

Judging from your tone of frustration perhaps what you lack is not luck but tact.

Dorman

03-28-05, 20:03

Hi Dunia,

Thanks for the information, I'm not particularly interested in going there it's just that my girlfriend mentioned it to me whilst we were driving past it the other day, she'd heard about it from an Australian colleague who'd gone there with some Arab business associates. It intrigued me slightly as it confirmed my impression of several different scenes going on in Jakarta all the time and rarely inter-acting, the Arab scene, the Chinese scene, the African/Nigerian scene, the Japanese scene (which came as a complete revelation to me, just around the corner from Blok M) and of course the Bule scene.

It just goes to show what a wonderful cornucopia of copulation Jakarta is --- dammit! there I go again, no I mean Jakarta is crap really it is... terrible...nothing here, nada, zip, kaput, nul point, honestly I really don't know why I stay here when I could be in Amsterdam - is that ok, Mannga and JC, do I sound convincing yet?

Mangga

03-29-05, 01:44

Hey Dorman,

I think it's actually worked! Check the message from Turbo. Even the heaviest of irony can be lost on some people (some people would therefore assume he's probably from somewhere deep in the interior of the US - but not me, I never believe national stereotypes). Or maybe he's actually in on it and is being really really really convincing.

So, whew, we can go back to our hard, burdensome task of bearing the terrible life of this dreadful city of Jakarta, all by ourselves. Hey, someone's got to do it.

Even Singapore Airlines is cutting back its schedule for Jakarta - and who can blame them? No tourists should ever ever come here. I've been sitting stuck in traffic for three hours writing this on my laptop...oh god I hate this place....so does Jum and Dewi and Febri and Sri and Ita and...

Master Diver II

03-29-05, 04:03

i was reading some of your posts and you guys missed a couple of points. the main reason i turn a 4 hour meeting into a 4 day 3 night stay in jakarta is the wonderful traffic jam. yes, such a stunning display of skill that can only otherwise be found on racing tracks going at much faster and more dangerous speed. it has absolutely nothing to do with the sweet women and their sweet smiles and their sweet pussies - no, absolutely nothing to do with that. i just love the traffic snarls watching the trans jakarta express going past my stuck taxi - truly a magnificent sight. yes, yes, that must be it.

incidentally turbo, when were you born? yesterday?

md ii

Menteng

03-29-05, 10:41

Dorman,

BINGO!!! I wonder how many pm's you have received ;-)

Dorman

03-29-05, 10:46

Hi Turbo,

Welcome to the forum, thanks for your first contribution, boy you sure put me in my place and no mistake! Anyway glad to have you on board we always welcome new talent here, us senior members are beginning to turn into a right old collection of smug, self satisfied bores I can tell you. So how about for your second contribution you let us know what you've been up to, we need a bit of a shake up round here and you sound like just the sort of young fellow to do it. Like I say we're a friendly bunch, most of us (well, watch that Bulai69 guy, he gets a bit cranky if he misses his afternoon delight), and we look forward to hearing some more from you.

Jakarta as sex tourist destination?

Actually on the more substansive issue of whether the magic of Jakarta could be ruined by an influx of sex tourists I have to say that I find that extremely unlikely and if anything there is probably going to be a decline in available customers for the girls in the coming years, bear with me while I explain. First of all most people would be hard pressed to locate Indonesia on a map, let alone Jakarta, even our nearest neighbours the Aussies have only the vaguest notion about Indonesia, until the bomb most thought Bali was just a slightly exotic extension of the Gold Coast.

There is virtually no information about Indonesia in the West, what mentions it gets in the media are invariably negative; terrorism, corruption, polution, earthquakes etc. So if you come here you really have to have made the choice to do so, and even then it can be quite a shocker. Before I first arrived I researched the place well here and in other forums, I booked into the Ambhara in advance but nothing quite prepared me for the shock of encountering Blok M in a busy rainy Saturday afternoon. I was able to locate Jl Palatehan and was truly gobsmacked at the idea of roaming around there at night looking for pussy, I was so appalled I went straight to the travel agent and booked a flight to Bangkok leaving the next day!

Why would new tourists come here, well of course we know that the sweetest, loveliest girls ever to have drawn breath live here (yes, Turbo I was being ironic) but as no one knows that what would bring them here in the first place; nothing. And who would these tourists be? Not Americans, not to the world's largest Muslim country (even though we know it's perfectly safe), they've got Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Colombia and the Philippines on their doorstep. The Scandanavians, Germans and French wouldn't care for the dirt and chaos of Jakarta at all, and they're very happy with Phuket. The Japanese like Indonesia, but they now have a whole new continent of opportunity opening up to them as indeed does the rest of the world - China.

Like so many aspects of the Indonesian economy, the good time girls are going to be undercut by their Chinese sisters and many of the Indon girls' customers are already being relocated to China by their firms. A couple of guys I know who've lived here for years even after the monetary crisis, have already gone north to China. How will that leave Jakarta? Well it won't be a regular tourist attraction, it won't be the cheapest (China and Cambodia are already cheaper), it won't have a past reputation, no matter how undeserved like Bangkok, really no one will have the slightest reason to come here. About the only growth market will be Arabs wishing to escape the puritanical Middle East, but they're already coming here and nothing's to stop them going to China or Thailand too.

So I think we can rest easy, there is no tsnami of sex tourists on the way. Already those of us who love Jakarta are viewed as a bit odd anyway, just watch the expressions on your friends faces back home when you tell them how fantastic Jakarta is. They glance at each other, nod simpathetically then back out of the room slowly, trying not to catch your eye. No, we are a bit like a group of wine fanatics who have discovered the world's most fantastic vinyard in a Chateau miles from the nearest dirt track, we obsess about it but are terrified that it may be discovered and overrun by mobs of plebs, not realising that the great unwashed are perfectly happy to spend their five dollars swilling back bottles of supermarket plonk and couldn't give a toss about our little vinyard. And if I am right there are going to be alot fewer of us around sipping our delightful vintage in the coming years.

Anyway if it does happen I have my eye on another little bolt hole, it's a country that has the same fantastic mix of racial types you'll find in Indonesia, the girls are truly delightful and just as sweet as the Indons and they actually live in a city worth visiting. The only problem at the moment is the idiots in charge, but when those clowns, the Burmese generals, get their well deserved spot in front of a firing squad, well I recommend a trip to Rangoon, fellow Jakartaphiles you'll love it.

Indon Lover

03-29-05, 12:37

Hi Guys,

After reading this forum with great interest I decided to give it a go and i had my trip of a lifetime to Jakarta. It was my first time but having read these forums i felt quite educated and confident.

I have to say that i was most pleasantly surprised when i experienced the girls who were not only sweet, sexy, beautiful but more importantly they treated you in a very personal boyfriend type manner. They are definitely the best girls on the planet and long may it live a secret.

During my week my success rate was quite an ego booster for me but then i met my challenge. She is stunning, slim but quite tall and her name is Betty and she plies her trade in JJs although she said to me she just worked there. Anyway after chatting to her for a while hoping for the Bacardis to take effect, i asked her to go back with me. To my disbelief she declined reiterating that she just worked there and also she was faithful to her boyfriend.

I persevered for another half hour trying all the tricks in my book but then I had to admit defeat and because of her superior beauty I could not find a suitable substitute there.

So my challenge to any of you is to see if you can go where I failed.

And if you do i would love to hear about it. Is she as good as i can only imagine or is she really just working there.

IL

God of Gamblers

03-29-05, 20:57

Does anyone have any experience with Tuni of Maribaya? I usually go with Ratna because of her great technique, 36D jugs and over all great bod. There is also Lucy whose jugs are a national treasure of Indonesia. A sweet petite 36DD Sundanese babe, she is a sight to see.

How does Tuni "stack up" compared to these two?

Thanks

GoG

Menteng

03-29-05, 21:46

GoG, Read Dorman's FR of 27032005. I myself had the pleasure of enjoying her great company a couple of times. I even recommended her some time ago, especially her AR skills.

Mikster

03-30-05, 01:29

Hi Fellas,

I have read part of this board with great interest. I have had an idea that Jakarta was an unknown paradise, but never made the move to go. I want to very much but I really dont know anything about it. As far as my mongering, I have tried, Russia, Mexico, Peru, Colombia, and the Philippines. Jakarta is a place I think I am cut out for. I have vacation in May or early June and I need to get my shit together if I want to go through with it.

One thing that shocked me was the price of an airline ticket when I looked yesterday. I would be coming out of Seattle, (I'm American) and found on the best routes that came up took me to South Korea, then on to Bangkok, then to Jakarta. 32 hours total. This cant be the best and fastest way can it??? Is there any way to get there in a reasonable amount of time? I thought Manila was far away but geesh. Also, the price to fly there about knocked me down, I am not loaded. Any knowledge about how to get there the fastest, best, and cheapest would be greatly appreciated.

I saw a website about Blok M and it sounds like the place to be, especially for a first timer but I dont know this for sure at all. Can a guy be happy just hanging there his whole trip? I saw a decent looking hotel called the Walana (sp) right next to Blok M but it gave no prices.

What can I expect to pay for a budget, but decent hotel? And how much for the girls all night?

I wish I had time to go back and read the entire board but I am getting killed at work with 12 hour days right now. I appreciate any help and hope to someday meet up with, and experience this great sounding destination. (I will keep my mouth shut about that. hahaha)

Thanks for anything you have. Take care.

Mikster

Dizz Hizz

03-30-05, 02:47

Mikster,

You might want to look into flights that go from Seattle to South Korea to Singapore and then to Jakarta. You can take cheap flights from Singapore to Jakarta with Lion Airlines. Certain airlines will take you directly to Jakarta from South Korea depending upon the carrier. I'm sure if you do some research you can find flights that will take less than 32 hours.

However, the current route you suggested would be an ideal mongering trip and allows you to taste the exotic fruits of each country. Although South Korea may not have full on mongering like Bangkok and perhaps Jakarta, once you scratch the surface you will find many sorts of entertainment in Seoul.

And I'm sure I do not have to explain what lies in Bangkok.

Best of luck,

DH

1Ball

03-30-05, 02:59

Mikster, I am not an expert on Jakarta, but I do fly to Bali every month or so. I fly China airlines, and you can set your watch to them. They fly from Seattle to Taipei, to Jakarta. It takes about 20 hours. Cost in economy is about 1100$. you can probably get a better price via a wholesaler, but hurry, as it will be high season.

Good luck.

1ball

Pete33

03-30-05, 03:03

Hi Mikster buddy,

Am calling Portland my home-town, last time living there was about 30 years ago.

The fastest & easiest & cheapest flight would be the daily [3 times a day]Cathy Pacific flight out of Vancouver, non-stop flight to HongKong, you've got about 1 hour layover and again a non-stop flight directly to Jakarta. A return airfare is less than US$1.000,00.

Good luck, buddy, remember to bring plenty supply of your favorite "rain-coat", as local sizes are simply too tight-fitting.

Ciao

Key Master

03-30-05, 06:18

Mikster,

How long is your vacation going to be for? If it's like two weeks, I might suggest you do your trip to Thailand and then buy a ticket while there to Jakarta. The price from Bangkok to Jakarta might be anywhere from $200 to $300 US dollars. Tons of travel agents to compare prices to while in Bangkok, but not flight times on both routes. About 4 to 5 different airlines easy fly daily back and forth. The asian airlines don't make a big deal about changing your itinerary if they have seats available and it shouldn't be an issue.

You can spend most if not all your nights at Blok M, probably mostly My Bar. If your budget is small you might want to consider Hotel Melawai mentioned many times on this board. It will probably cost around 225k to 275k rupiah a night and it's a short jaunt on a taxi which if you had to negotiate a fare would be about 10k rupiah. It's not the greatest of hotels, and isn't great for mosquitoe friendly people. It's home to Maribaya and walking distance to two malls.

You might want to specify what type of budget for airfare and travel you have and how much time you will be traveling for.

Fun Times69

03-30-05, 08:07

Mikster,

Try looking at the ibis group of hotels. They're about 350,000 Rp per night, about $40 I think. There's one near blok M. A google of hotels in Jakarta will find loads for you to choose from.

Jkt After Dark 2

03-30-05, 11:16

Da Wing,

Here are the other pics of Hartono's collection.

JAKARTA AFTER DARK

Menteng

03-30-05, 11:31

Milkster,

There is no hotel Walana in the Blok M area, not even in Jakarta (I'm pretty sure of). The ones near to Blok M are Melawai I and II, Losari and Ambhara. The last one being much more expensive than the other three.
If you're on a tight budget, I would suggest the Jalan Jaksa area. A lot of cheap hotels, bars, girls (± US 30.- LT) and McD, Pizza Hut and Chili's within walking distance.

Jkt After Dark 2

03-30-05, 11:48

More pics taken at Bintang Mawar and Hotel Travel Massage.

Jkt After Dark 2

03-30-05, 12:17

More pics taken at Sukarjo Wiryopranoto and Today Country.

Jaimito Cartero

03-30-05, 12:18

Well, I always have my eyes open for cheap flights to CGK (Jakarta) or DPS (Denpasar/Bali). I haven't seen any sales from the west coast lately, but they do pop up.

Last year I went to DPS on a $700 or so fare from PHX which also let me have two free stopovers (I took Hong Kong and Tokyo). If the sales do pop up, they're usually for non summer periods.

You can fly Continental Airlines to Bali, which is an okay service. You can get free first class upgrades if you're elite with Northwest or CO on some of the legs (Guam/DPS sector). They don't fly everyday, 4 or 5 times week, I think.

You can also do the same thing flying via Narita (Tokyo), this is good if you want to tack on some extra miles (and extra time) on Northwest.

Current pricing from LAX/PDX/SFO is pretty similar. In the $900-$1000 range including tax.

EVA and China Air are the cheapest at this time to Jakarta.

One cheaper option you can do if you have frequent flyer miles it to grab a cheap ticket to any Asian city (Tokyo/Singapore), and then use some miles to to Jakarta. I got a $700 fare to Bangkok, and then used 30k miles to get a free business class ticket to Jakarta on Garuda.

If you find any good info on consolidators, let me know. You can find $200 or so fares from Bangkok to Jakarta, or fly Air Asia for a bit less. Tight restrictions on luggage, though.

You can fly from Bali to Jakarta for $20 or so each way on AWAir (Partner of AirAsia, can be booked on their site). You need to book somewhat in advance, to get low prices. There is lots of competition for this route (Star Air, Lion Air, Garuda's low fare arm, Adam Air and others), so you should be able to fly RT for less than $80 with no problem.

I just did some spot checking, and all the low priced fares ($900 or so, all in), expire in early to late May. If you can finish your trip by May 20th, you will save a lot on China Air and EVA, I think. After that I think the price goes up dramatically. After the the beginning of September the prices also drop a lot.

XXL

03-30-05, 12:49

So I think we can rest easy, there is no tsnami of sex tourists on the way.

Doorman,

I sincerely hope you're right. Still, might there not be one cloud on the horizon: China?

The Chinese currency is undervalued. The Chinese will have to revalue in a not too distant future if their economy keeps growing, which it does. This will mean not only that China will become too expensive for foreign sex-tourists, but, more importantly, it will put a strong currency into the hands of hundreds of millions of Chinese men. Indonesia would be one of the places those newly-endowed Chinese men would turn too for cheap fun.

Bulai69

03-30-05, 18:53

My somewhat cynical view is that the only thing you did wrong in failing to "get" the girl you mention is not offer her enough money. Of course the ultimate price may well have been more tham you wanted to pay anyway. The "boyfriend" story is maybe kind of true, but what that means is that some guy is paying her regularly and her "loyalty" is a measure of the extent to which she is financially locked in, balanced against the risk of being found out and losing her meal ticket. Think about it this way: if she is working in JJ's, she is unlikely to be on a salary much over 1 million a month. If she is getting regular payments from her boyfriend, they can't be much over, say, 5 million a month otherwise it wouldn't be worth working. Hence, if you offered anything over, say 500k, you would surely be in the right "ball park". Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed (the rest of) your trip!

Jaimito Cartero

03-30-05, 19:03

Surprising how your comments are contrary to those of others who think that Jakarta is one of the best kept secrets in Asia.

Indonesian girls have more sense of decency and do not like to flaunt flesh liberally like the Thais and the Filipinas, but if you manage to get laid they can be the least inhibited and satisfying partners in bed.

Judging from your tone of frustration perhaps what you lack is not luck but tact.

I think the main problem is of judging when someone is being a bit of a smartass, and when they're serious.

1Ball

03-30-05, 19:10

JC, you say you used 30K miles to fly from BKK TO CGK on GA.
Can you tell us what airline has an agreement with GA? They have always told me they do not partner up with anyone.

Thanks

Bulai69

03-30-05, 19:14

XXL - good analysis but rather depressing! There is a microcosm of this problem in Atrium mall: most of the men who hang around in there (kucing) waiting pounce on the young girls, are Chinese. I base this view not only on observation but on what the girls I do manage to get, tell me.

Mikster - you've already got feedback on hotels - there's a huge range and even the 20USD ones are OK. I suggest you do try and look back at postings because although it's true to say you can get an excellent girl all night for 25USD, the question is where you find her. You could pay 100USD for the same girl if you went to the "wrong" place.

Jaimito Cartero

03-31-05, 06:51

JC, you say you used 30K miles to fly from BKK TO CGK on GA.
Can you tell us what airline has an agreement with GA? They have always told me they do not partner up with anyone.

Thanks

Northwest Airlines. You can also earn miles in NW's FF program on international segments (and domestic portions if it's part of an intl trip)

Very easy to get tickets. It takes them a day to confirm the tickets.

Domino

03-31-05, 07:12

http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/allia/
http://www.garuda-indonesia.com/frequent_flyer/index.php

JC: I am still mystified as to your movements and I would appreciate it if you could explain points relevant to me. I see, from your many reports, that you travel a lot.
Why do you deal directly with the airline, NW, when travel agents are so much cheaper? To give an instance: in Asia if you do not fly, NW often give you a $400 or $600 voucher if you do not fly. Normally, out of expensive Japan, you could get to Manila or Bangkok for that. Not by going through the airline. You could be looking at double that, at least, which means the voucher is a con job to get you not to fly.
I got a NW voucher recently valid for a year for a free flight. When I tried to book a flight anytime within the next year to Manila or Bkk, they told me no openings, all full sorry but I could fly to Sth Korea or Beijing if I wished. I then booked six other flights over the same period to SE Asia and phoned them back. They phoned up Detroit Head Office and squared it for me. Such hassle for a free flight. I explained that if there is Jim Crowe clause, whereby you have to wait for an opening, then they should say that. I presume you just use your miles mostly for upgrades etc. It woukd be nice to know your secrets.

Indon Lover

03-31-05, 14:30

Bulai69

03-31-05, 20:49

Indon Lover - well I suppose the facts speak for themselves so maybe she is telling the truth; there is always a first time. Perhaps I'll have a look in JJ's next week when I return: I'm just dying to prove I'm right! But if I do get round to going I'll certainly report back - be it failure or success.

Tiny 12

04-01-05, 00:36

Wait a second! I was just about to say that I am that Dutch boyfriend. Now I'm confused.Geemeester & Buc Punter,

Actually, he's not Dutch. I didn't want to get her in trouble with her BF, so changed the nationality in the write up. So it's two boyfriends from the Netherlands, one from Sweden, and about 10 other people here on this board bang her regularly. And we all thought we were special. That girl gets around!

Jaimito Cartero

04-01-05, 02:33

JC: I am still mystified as to your movements and I would appreciate it if you could explain points relevant to me. I see, from your many reports, that you travel a lot.

Why do you deal directly with the airline, NW, when travel agents are so much cheaper?

I primarily book online, and find that my primary carrier (NWA or CO) gives me the best deals when I book with them. I've looked at some itenineraries through travel agents, (On the same carriers) but haven't found much if any price differentials. I know that sometimes there are bargains in Japan, Thailand and Sri Lanka, but I have never booked any of them, as I don't have a travel agent there.

If you have more info with travel agents, I'd love to hear about them.

I'm not sure what you mean about the travel voucher I took. They offered a check for $400, or a travel voucher for $500. I took the latter. It wasn't a free flight voucher. I stay away from these since they don't give you frequent flyer miles. I fly about 130,000 miles on my main carrier (or partner), about 30% on free tickets. Another 20-30k a year on other carriers.

I rarely upgrade with miles since the fare classes you have to buy are so much more expensive. I get free domestic US first class upgrades (100% on NWA), and maybe 75% on Continental. I mainly find sales to places I'd like to go, and take advantage of them.

I use the 300,000 miles (Flight miles, bonus miles, bonus offers) I get a year to either get free tickets (coach and business class), or to use for family members.

The 30,000 miles I used for the business class Garuda ticket was probably overkill, but I like to check out new airlines (kind of like girls, I like variety). The one nice thing is that the ticket was free of the normal taxes as well. Sometimes I pay over $100 in tax for some of the tickets.

Being in Japan, there are lots of good rewards available for only 30k miles in Business Class interasia. You can go from Japan to Bali, Jakarta, Bangkok on a variety of carriers in my alliance. If you fly Continental, you pay 5k or 10k miles more (Korean Air is also more). However, between NWA, Malaysian, Garuda and a couple of others there's some good choices.

I've got free trips coming up to Argentina and Brazil, this spring and summer, respectively.

Jaimito Cartero

04-01-05, 02:49

Well I'm leaving Jakarta this afternoon, back to Bangkok. I decided I'd hit Berlian yesterday. I had the cross streets, and wandered around a little bit until I found it. Lots of girls there. I asked for Dewi first, and then mentioned Ningsi (Both had been reported on). Dewi was behind me and rushed up excited.

Ningsi was upstairs, and I would have leaned towards Dewi in a big way because of looks.

We go upstairs and she's very enthusiastic. She appears to be in her 30's, but has a decent body shape. We undress and head to the shower. She proceeds to give me a very nice BBBJ in the shower, I almost had to tell her to stop, it was too good.

She is a bit over the top with moaning and stuff while she's working on you. I started to make fun of her moaning and such. She has a good sense of humor about it.

We get out and lay on the bed. She's prepared for action, as she brings a three pack of condoms to the bed. She starts Mandi Cucing, and does a nice job. She again starts a very nice BBBJ, very light, but with nice action. :)

After a bit, I have to stop her, as I'm looking for a bit more action. I proceed to leisurely eat her out. If she's acting, she got it down quite well. She was all quivering with mini spasms and such every few minutes.

We move to the main action, and I last a pathetic 5 minutes.

We then shower a bit more, and then she starts to give me a nice Thai like massage (no oil). Felt really nice. Of course, then the phone rings, our time is up. I get her to give me five minutes of massage more. Felt really nice.

We head downstairs where she's still very affectionate. No asking for tips or anything. Fee was 220k. I didn't remember if 50k or 100k was standard here, so I gave her the latter.

I headed off towards the street, with all the guys in the little businesses around there giving me the thumbs up.

While I only did 4 ladies in 6 days in Jakarta is was a good time.

I stayed 5 of the 6 days at the Hotel Cemara. Decent hotel, 290,400 a day net. No breakfast. DSL line available for about $7US a day. Phone calls are pretty expensive though. $2 for 3 minutes to a cell phone.

I need to find a multi band phone line that I can use in Indonesia/Thailand/Argentina/Brazil. Anyone have any tips?

Domino

04-01-05, 03:07

JC: Only trying to catch you between flights:) While I find NW staff courteous and helpful, there is something odd with them. They overbook from Tokyo as a matter of course and dish out these travel vouchers or free travel vouchers; I pity their shareholders. But here is the difference in our situations: booking NW online from Tokyo costs double what it costs through a travel agent and the voucher does not make the flight so terribly cheap. If they give a $400 voucher and charge you $750, the difference, $350, is more or less what an agent would charge you. I have never seen them offer cash checks in Tokyo, only flying vouchers.

If a flight is free, why should you worry about FF miles as you have so many of them anyway?

Pete33

04-01-05, 09:28

JAD buddy,

Very very nice pictures. Trims.

On one of your last posting, several months ago, you DID NOT Recommend, to go to this place. Why the change of attitude?? Are the girls different now?? Is the a change of management or ownership??

What about their willingness to go with a bule??

Is it still 150K for ST and 250K for LT ??

Need your usual wise advice, my friend.

Terima kasih.
Ciao.

Joel Goodsen

04-01-05, 12:43

Quote:

"Actually, he's not Dutch. I didn't want to get her in trouble with her BF, so changed the nationality in the write up. So it's two boyfriends from the Netherlands, one from Sweden, and about 10 other people here on this board bang her regularly. And we all thought we were special. That girl gets around!"

Special? Tiny, you're so right. we're absolutely.. not.

Based on info from a reliable source, i.e. the pro on my payroll, an average blok M pro scores between 2-5 juta per week and 3-4 bule 'boyfriends' per year. That is of course a median, factors as looks and social skills play a major role.

It's great to see what skills these girls possess to make us mongers feel special. It's a great to play the game along as well, compliments galore!

btw, the fact that i can see through this masquerade, doesn't put me off a bit. I'm flying in this Thursday and boy, am I looking forward to it.

--

JAD, photo hotel massage girl 02. Goodness gracious! Have mercy with those poor overseas readers behind their home computers (me). I'm very lucky to be coming over. I don't have any time left on this trip, but would i like a closer inspection on my next visit (June)!

--

Chalky, I think I read that you were travelling to Manado. I will be going there this weekend. If you have some info on the local scene there, night clubs hotels etc. much appreciated!

Nuts M

04-01-05, 13:37

I looked that up recently and there is a table somewhere that tells you what gsm frequency is used in each country listed all on one page. But I can't find it again. I recently got a gsm 900/1800 and just plan to change prepaid sim cards as I hopefully use it in different countries.

These may help:

http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml
http://kropla.com/mobilephones.htm

Dark Ages

04-02-05, 17:00

JC and Nuts M,

If you would like to roaming in the Indonesia / Thailand / Argentina / Brazil, what you need (at least) is a tri band mobilephone, like Nokia 6610, or quad band mobilephone like Motorola V600, or even you can use 3G mobilephone like Nokia 6630/6680 or Motorola E-1000.

IMHO, tri band is enough, off course 3G is the ultimate solution (you can roaming in Japan also) :)

Hope it helps

Jaimito Cartero

04-03-05, 03:39

If a flight is free, why should you worry about FF miles as you have so many of them anyway?

Well this flight wasn't free. And you can *never* have too many frequent flyer miles. As a matter of fact, I burn them about as quick as I earn them. I think I blew about 500-600k last year.

If you have a name of a Tokyo based travel agent who deals via email or the web let me know.

Domino

04-03-05, 03:45

JC: As you are not a Japanese resident, you do not need such information. Tokyo is the most expensive city in the world to operate from. Do your bargain travel shopping in Bangkok.

Jaimito Cartero

04-03-05, 03:49

JC: As you are not a Japanese resident, you do not need such information. Tokyo is the most expensive city in the world to operate from. Do your bargain travel shopping in Bangkok.

I understand that, but if they can book travel for me via the web, then no need to go (other than transit). I haven't found any super deals in Bangkok the few times I've tried.

I may do a RTW ticket next year, and might try to do it in business class if it's cheap enough.

Domino

04-03-05, 04:42

JC: I am obviously having a major problem communicating.
http://www.no1-travel.com/
This is one Japan based mobwith a web site who do a lot of deals in English. Go check their prices. They do not allow booking online. As Tokyo is much dearer than the US or Asia or anywhere else it beats me why you are beating this dead horse.

People like you who travel a lot earn a lot of FF miles. I was hoping to learn something about that for the future. For now, I have booked myself many trips and will not be in a position to avail much of another FF flight for at least two years.

Travel to Monger

04-04-05, 02:45

JAD

Thanks for the photographs of the girls at Hartano’s, Bintang Mawar, Hotel Travel Massage, Sukarjo Wiryopranoto and Today Country.

At the risk of being told to RTFF, do you think that you could post the price points of each of the establishments? Some of the girls are smoking hot; I will be in Jakarta next month and would definitely like to include a stop at some of these establishments during my upcoming visit.

What is the best way to contact you to arrange for one of your night life tours? If I recall properly, I have seen a reference to a website that describes your tour services, can I get a link to your website?

Thanks for your assistance,
TTM
“I don’t pay them for sex, I pay them to leave when I am finished”

Fatty Joe

04-04-05, 08:10

Brother, which date you will going to Jakarta? I will be there in 22nd to 25th of May. Hope can meet you there.

JAD

Thanks for the photographs of the girls at Hartano’s, Bintang Mawar, Hotel Travel Massage, Sukarjo Wiryopranoto and Today Country.

At the risk of being told to RTFF, do you think that you could post the price points of each of the establishments? Some of the girls are smoking hot; I will be in Jakarta next month and would definitely like to include a stop at some of these establishments during my upcoming visit.

What is the best way to contact you to arrange for one of your night life tours? If I recall properly, I have seen a reference to a website that describes your tour services, can I get a link to your website?

Thanks for your assistance,

TTM

“I don’t pay them for sex, I pay them to leave when I am finished”

Indon Lover

04-04-05, 11:59

Hi Bulai,

I am looking forward to receiving the results of the master.

The challenge is on.

1Ball

04-04-05, 14:36

TTM
“I don’t pay them for sex, I pay them to leave when I am finished”

Not trying to crtiticise, but SA is firmly locked away in the LOS thread. Can we leave him, and his views about women, in the LOS thread, where it belongs? This is one of his long time quotes, which puts down women in general.

Thank you

Travel to Monger

04-04-05, 19:41

Not trying to crtiticise, but SA is firmly locked away in the LOS thread. Can we leave him, and his views about women, in the LOS thread, where it belongs? This is one of his long time quotes, which puts down women in general.

No worries mate, I am not familiar with SA or the LOS thread for that matter.

Certainly no offense intended, as I am actually rather fond of women.

1Ball

04-04-05, 19:46

Thanks, TTM, I appreciate your sensitivity.

1ball

Bulai69

04-04-05, 21:23

Hi Indon Lover - don't expect too much! But you have increased my motivation so I have formulated a plan: over and above my somewhat crude device of offering lots of money - I 'll tell you if it works.

Mighty Spearsman

04-05-05, 14:56

“I don’t pay them (prostitutes) for sex, I pay them to leave when I am finished”
Wasn't it the actor Charlie Sheen who first uttered those infamous words? (when asked why he paid for hookers when he could have bedded any number of young ladies for free because of his fame).

Buc Punter

04-06-05, 05:48

JAD,

Are you the guy who used to provide the "adult disneyland" tours in Jakarta? If so, I took your "tour" 4 or 5 years ago. I have visited those places again many times. As well as many others I've found since then. I never see those adult disneyland advertisements in the jakarta post anymore.

Dorman

04-06-05, 07:12

Without wishing to get involved in an argument in an otherwise exceptionally enjoyable forum and bowing to 1ball's much greater experience and contribution to this forum, I fail to see what the problem is with TTM's philosophy. I would go much further and say it is shared by everyone here, otherwise this would be a site devoted to extolling the virtues of stable, long term, monogamous relationships which unless I've missed something it isn't.

This in no way suggests a disrespect for women, as TTM mentions he, like the rest of us here is inordinately fond of them. I for one would choose the company of women over men on almost all occasions, but that does not mean that I want to have just one of them exclisively beside me at all times. I use my financial independence to enable me to experience the very real and thoroughly enjoyable pleasures of physical company with as many woman as possible while at the same time making sure that there is no further commitment than the agreed fee for their company. As long as all parties concerned are fully aware of this situation then a great time will be had by all.

In the morning at the conclusion of business, I do not expect them to invite me to their homes, clean my socks or to cook my breakfast for me, we will both have fulfilled our respective sides of the bargain and they are completely free to negotiate a similar deal with another client without asking my permission. This I think you will agree is a situation built on mutual respect, honesty and tolerance of lifestyle choices. Anyone who beds a woman by leading her on to believe that there is some form of long term relationship in the offing while having no intention of initiating one is a disrespectful toe rag who is nothing short of a cheat and a liar.

That's just my opinion for what it's worth if people disagree then I respect their differences, by the way what does SA mean?

Jkt After Dark 2

04-06-05, 12:26

Joel Goodson:

Thank you for the compliment. Certainly, we have different taste. Too most locals the girl you mention is not a stunner at all standard. Petite and borwn skin girls are every where. Lucky you.

Travel to Monger:

There are reviews regarding pricing somewhere. Let me give you a quick look. Hartono is an escort agency, 3 Million Rp. for 3 hrs. Bintang Mawar is a bordello bar, 60K for the room, 150K for the girl. I normally gave them 200K. Girls in this place normally demand a little tip. There are several freelancers who require 400-500K. This is for 1 hour. Hotel Travel Massage is a bordello massage parlor in a hotel: like Maribaya Massage at Hotel Melawai. 200K for 1 hour. This includes the room. Today Country is a bordello disco, 50K for the room, 150K for the girl. Sukarjo Wiryopranoto is pick-up joint, 250K for 3hrs and 400 for overnight. Taman Sari 75 is also a pick-up joint, 200K for 3 hrs and 400 for overnight. They offer better value for money. The drawback is they are racist. Taman Sari 57 is the best overall pick-up joints. 2 categories: 300K dan 400K for 3 hrs, double for overnight. They accomodate all nationals.

Buc Punter:

Yes. I used to brand my service as Adult Disneyland. Jakarta Post became very strict with personal type ads. Of all I am the only one who actually provide only tour services. The rest are escort agencies. After they banned these ads. They also banned my ad. In many ways my advertising agency told me Jakarta Post always inconsistent in their policies. I might advertise again in the future.

Word of advice. Read between the line under Personal or Tour or Services or Vacancies sections.

Mangga:

It was not my HP technology. I was at TC when they just opened. It was still well lighted.

JAKARTA AFTER DARK

Jaimito Cartero

04-06-05, 15:49

Just a quick note to thank everyone for all the info in Jakarta. I really found the Jl Jaksa area to be a decent area to stay in. Enough local talent, fairly laid back, and within walking distance of Plaza Indonesia and other entertainment.

Bulai69 was really generous with info, and contact with a friend of his. Thanks!

Perhaps it's because Jakarta is not a huge mongering destination, but I find almost everyone on this forum very helpful, even to semi-newbies to Indonesia such as myself.

I only saw 4 girls while in Jakarta, but that's about normal for me. (6 days) I had 3 girls in my room (2 from Jl Jaksa, 1 from My Bar), and one incall at Berlian.

There does seem to be some confusion about *some* girls names. I'm not sure if they're trying to keep a boyfriend somewhere from finding out that they're still working. I have no interest in getting anyone in trouble, but do like to find out what they're really up to.

I found the traffic to be better than last time. Now I'm not sure if that's just because I wasn't coming all the way from Atrium to Block M, or if the recent rise in gas prices is keeping people off the street.

I had very few problems with Taxi's this time. Hardly any tried to rip me off, and I rode about 70% in a Blue Bird's. I always just say "Meter" when I get in.

I look forward to coming back, but it might be next year unless some of the US airlines open up more service to Bali or start going to Jakarta. (I guess I could fly China Air or EVA, but I'm a Frequent Flyer junkie, and must get lots of free miles. :)

Travel to Monger

04-06-05, 16:24

Wasn't it the actor Charlie Sheen who first uttered those infamous words? (when asked why he paid for hookers when he could have bedded any number of young ladies for free because of his fame).
Mighty Spearsman

I am not sure if Charlie is the one who first uttered the infamous words, but he may very well be the one who introduced them to the unknowing masses. Was this a result of the Hollywood Madam - Heidi Fleis <sic?> calamity?

I think that for most people in the US, the concept of paying a woman for sex seems like the deplorable act of a desperate pervert, that said, I sure am glad that most of us moved beyond that naïve view long ago.

As far as my introduction to the phrase, if I recall correctly, I picked it up a few years ago while mongering with Jackson in Buenos Aries. BTW, if I did get it from Jackson, I am certain that he wouldn’t have intended any offense to women.

-- TTM
“Better mongering through chemistry; vitamin V, good liquor and friendly women”

Double Shooter

04-06-05, 18:49

Finally got a chance to experience the delights of Jakarta. Picked up a gorgeous girl in the hotel bar on day 1. Nice face, lovely bod, great brown skin with several handfuls of titty. Unfortunately, she was crap in bed. Oh well.

Added the mall pick-up experience to my collection. Different I must say. Forget the name of the mall, it’s near the Marriott hotel. A girl smiled at me while passing by. She was tall with a stunning endowment, so I followed her and said hi. A bit of aimless chat, then my buddy joined us. We walked around the mall, apparently randomly, but it turned out it was to pick up a girl for my buddy. She simply chatted to some shop-girl, then the four of us went back to our hotel. A quick drink in the coffee shop then up to the room.

The best part of this experience is the way it resembles boy-meets-girl. Once in the room I had to flirt and cajole to get her out of her clothes. It was worth the effort – magnificent mammaries. Definite GFE. No money ever mentioned, I gave her 300k. My buddy’s experience was also good, although she spoke little English.

Buc Punter

04-07-05, 13:43

I think there is some slight misrepresentation of the malls in Jakarta here. I was in Thailand recently and some guy told me he heard that the best way to meet nice girls in Jakarta was in the malls. I asked him if he'd read that on this forum. He told me that he had heard it from a friend. However I'm assuming that his "friend" may indeed have found this information on this forum.

I consider myself fairly knowledgeable in Jakarta. I feel the malls are no better pick up spots than anywhere else in town except for the fact that there is a likely chance that girls congregate there due to their affinity for shopping.

Anywhere in Jakarta is a good place to meet girls. To say "mall hunting" is the best way to meet girls in Jakarta is a bit absurd if you ask me. Sure, it can be done. But it can be time consuming as well if you go to the mall with the specific purpose of meeting girls. I find the best way is to just go about your own business wherever you want to go in Jakarta. If you see a pretty girl, approach her. It doesn't have to be a mall. It can be a bus stop, hoka hoka bento, mcdonalds, a golf course, bowling alley, paying your phone bill at telkomsel, basically anywhere. Indonesian girls are receptive to being approached pretty much anywhere and anytime. Sure, malls are a good place, but by no means are they the only place in my opinion. Indonesia in general is the best place.

As far as finding more "naive" girls in the malls, I suggest you don't expect to find a non-pro who will go to bed with you the very first time you meet her in Jakarta. That is extremely rare. Any girl willing to go to bed with a bule the first time they meet is no "naive" girl. Looking at most of these pictures posted here (and recognizing many of the girls), the girls you guys are meeting at the malls are mostly hard core prostitutes. It's well known in Jakarta that the most hard core girls hit the malls in the afternoon looking for a short time before they go out that night. They then go out early evening for another short time before ending up the night with a long time. 3 guys a day!

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with going with those hard core girls in the afternoon. God knows I've done it at least a hundred times. But don't kid yourself into thinking you are bringing home some sweet young newbie who you just "charmed" into having sex with you. (It can be done, but it is rare.)

I just don't want guys to think they are going to find a nice "non-pro" in the malls easily. The most hard core girls in town prowl those malls in the afternoon. They may act innocent, but they are far from that. If you want to really find a non-pro, just go about your business during the day. When you see a pretty girl, approach her immediately wherever she may be. If she is truly a "non-pro" then your chances of getting her in bed at first are slim to none. But you can work on her if you are in town for a while and may come out with a nice girlfriend. If she is a "semi" non-pro then you can sleep with her the first night. Those are the gems if you ask me.

Some of the best "semi" non-pros I've ever found were in the discos at night. If you go there near the end of the month when these girls have to pay their rent, you can find some girls who don't go out much. They have to pay that rent though, so they will go out and earn an extra 500,000 at the end of the month to make ends meet. Living in Jakarta, you will mostly know who the hard core girls, the part time girls and the newbies are. But for the guys not living in town, it's all hit or miss. When a nice "newbie" girl walks into one of those discos, they are attacked like fresh bait by sharks though by the guys living in Jakarta so that makes it tougher.

I still believe that if you are a guy in town for a week, don't waste your time looking for a nice girl. Just hit Blok M or Mangga Besar every night and have a good time.

Menteng

04-07-05, 23:39

Buc,

I agree with you that it is possible to find a girl anywhere in Jakarta or any place in Indonesia. But, reading your report I can't help noticing that you either mention places that are located in the malls (i.e. hoka2 bento, McD) or places that's worth it to visit only when you have a rather long stay in Jakarta. Well, I can't imagine that someone who had the intention of visiting Jakarta for the fleshpots during a short visit, wil bother to go to a golfcourse or queing at Telkomsel.
I don't do very much mall hunting at all, but I believe that the chance of finding a girl there, be it an amateur, semi-pro or pro, is bigger in the mall's than the places you mentioned (excluding blok M or mangga besar for the last categories), simply because of the reason you mentioned yourself: they ALL like to congegrate there due to their affinity for shopping.

Adlian B

04-08-05, 01:44

Fun Times69

04-08-05, 10:47

And to follow on from could someone explain where Berlian is as well as the other places mentioned by JAD like Hotel Travel Massage.

I'm due in Jakarta within the next two weeks so would definately appreciate any information. I have followed this thread for a while and have always valued the reports given by the regular contributors and promise to repay your fabulous advice with my own FR's.

Thanks again to all who have posted their reports in the past. I think you've inspired a lot of us newbies to embark upon our own adventures to Indonesia.

XXL

04-08-05, 15:54

they ALL like to congegrate there due to their affinity for shopping.

And, more importantly, we mongers all like to congregate there! Shopping malls are JKT's only attraction outside discos and brothels. Where would we spend our daytime if it were not for those extraordinary places? Not in public swimming pools or in parks (are there any?).

JKT has no proper sewer system, not one building that would withstand a major earthquake, but it has gold-plated shopping palaces attended by swarms of young personable females. Is it the goods that are on sale or the females? Difficult to say.

In Tiara Ciara (Today Country), I once did a girl who told me she worked as a shop-assistant in Blok-M Plaza. Had I met her in Blok-M Plaza, it's unlikely she would have owned up to being a regular of a Chinatown knocking-shop, and I might have put her down as the elusive "non-pro".

As regards approaching girls in the street, I noticed JKT girls hate being seen in the open in the company of bules because they then have to run the gaunlet of their male brothers who keep calling them names. That's why the girls always insist on boarding a taxi even for very short distances. In shopping malls, no name-calling, hardly any raising of eye-brows, it's an different world where other rules apply, an air-conditioned world continuous with the air-conditioned Blue and Silver Birds and our air-conditioned hotel rooms where girls are so keen to end their day.

Mangga

04-09-05, 04:24

Domfor,

The Berlian is my favourite little pleasure hide-away. There was a bit of a discussion about it in this forum a little while ago. Check back and you'll find it.

Berlian is a "massage" parlour and bar in the Kota area in the north of Jakarta. The best way to find it is to get to the corner of Jalan (Jl = jalan = street) Mangga Besar and Hayam Wuruk These are major roads so you'll find them easily on a map and any Blue Bird or Silver Bird taxi driver will know how to get there.

If you stand on that corner (which is a "T" junction) with your back to Jl Mangga Besar (you'll see a big filthy canal in front of you), you turn left into Hayam Wuruk. Walk about 100 or so metres down Hayam Wuruk past a bus stop until you come to the first small laneway with a bakery on the corner. Turn left into that lane and follow it down a short distance until you see the Berlian on your right. You'll see the neon sign with "Berlian" on it.

If you walk past the Berlian you'll soon run into the rival and, in my opinion, inferior fuck-shop establishment that has been the subject of comparative discussion in this forum.

Inside the Berlian you'll see an open area near the cashier where the younger little fucklets usually sit and wait for someone to fuck them. You turn left into bar area where the more mature fucklets waited to be fucked. A good idea is to take a combination of one of the older and more experienced girls together with your choice of one of the younger ones. It's good training for the younger girlies who are more obviously dickable but not necessarily so adept at BBBJ, CIM, AR etc etc. Good service can be expected.

I'd like to know where Hotel Travel is myself.

Happy mongering!

XXL

04-09-05, 20:54

I'd like to know where Hotel Travel is myself.

Hotel Travel is on my list of places to avoid, along with other spots where I'm not welcome, like 1001. It's a ten minutes' drive from Berlian. I posted some comments about it two years ago.

It was middle afternoon well outside peak hours. All the same, absurdly high prices were quoted to me for a short-time in one of their karaoke rooms. That's something I interpreted as "go away sir, and don't ever come back, we don't want you". Was it simply because I'm a bule and they only want Asians (preferably Japanese), or more specifically because I'm a bahasa-speaking bule, whom they see as one knowing the terrain and unwilling to get fleeced.

The unfriendly reception was not entirely unexpected since it is mainly a Karaoke place. Now whenever I see "Karaoke", I read "not for me".

I once did a Hotel Travel girl on a Saturday Night in Stadium disco though. She was called "Nufi", very good lay. She told me Travel belonged to the same boss as Stadium (what doesn't in that area?). She'd just dropped in after work at Travel for a bit of disco fun. The Stadium mamasan had run out of girls to present me so she'd grabbed Nufi's arm and touted her to me as "freelance" (mamasan's own words). Nufi told me an eerie tale of corpses ("roh halus") kept in Stadium's attic, allegedly the bodies of girls who had died in harness. Indos are awfully supersitious but she got me wondering all the same about Stadium's gothic interior and its mysterious 5th floor.

xxl

Buc Punter

04-10-05, 05:57

Not in public swimming pools or in parks (are there any?). I dont think public swimming pools or parks are a good way to meet girls anywhere in the world. But if you want, you can go to a public swimming pool right next to Pasar Festival. Just go to the left of Hartz Chicken in the parking lot, and keep walking. It's on the right just after pasar festival. I think it's 5,000 rupiah for the entire day. There are others in Jakarta as well, but that one will be the easiest for you to find. I dont think I've ever seen a good looking girl there though. But then again, I've only looked in and never actually entered the place. Mostly a bunch of screaming kids.

There are parks as well, but there aren't many girls to pick up there either. (Unless you go to an amusement park like Dunia Fantasi, I have met girls there.)

I do agree that upstanding indonesian girls will not want to be seen in public with a bule. That doesnt change in a mall though. The "nice" girls will still not want to be seen with you there either.

I do think meeting girls in the mall is a good thing. I like to hang out at the malls too in Jakarta. Like you say, they are really the only decent place to spend your time during the day in Jakarta. I just dont want guys thinking they are meeting different girls in the malls than they are meeting in the discos. The ones you can pick up in the malls and have sex with that night are the same exact girls you will meet at night in the discos with few exceptions.