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Ace Gallant
11-10-06, 06:20
Another great night in CP.

After the big turn off with the Assist Mummy from Swan Lake, Reader123 and I headed over to Hui Hwa KTV meeting reader's friend. Seems that nothing has changed despite all the raids and scares about crackdowns.....

We view couple line ups, I got a girl (familiar face, one of our friend's girl) Reader and friend decide to go shopping outside instead of the lineups. Returning 30 mins with only one girl! I guess the selection might not be that good afterall huh??

I decided to call in my girl from Yalan in which I had made an appointment earlier. She arrived 30 mins later and joint in the fun of dice games drinking etc. cutting down short;

the KTV bill came up to be 2960 includes:
3 X 750 Red Wine (Buy 3 get 1 free)
500 room charge
260 Service and tax
200 each for tips to girl and KJ

Mama from Yalan called saying that she'll come over for a drink with us and finally turn up at 1145 as we were leaving! She was fun too.

As we were making our way back to hotel, mama was trying to push another girl to reader which we had viewed in our earlier visit.

My girl was totally GFE! Only 5 days in CP, done 4 customer, with one of them a Japanese who did not even touch her (because it was arranged by the customer's friend). The sad thing was she sold her cherry on her first night in CP for only 800.

However I must give it to this girls! All of them should be nominated for Oscar! Their actting is just fantastic! First she was saying that she was suffering from the 3 customers who fucked her. Especially the first one who took her cherry and next she was saying that I am her best customer, she is enjoying every moment of me fucking her! The act she was putting up while I was doing her missionary (pulling onto the bedsheets, pillow cases etc) and her face of "great enjoyment" is enough to make to to Oscar awards for porn movies! Anyways, did her three poped over the 7 hours though the night and sent her away with 420 (20 for taxi) However I must say, her is is very GFE, held on so tight when she reach her orgasm. Suck me dry in one of my pop into her mouth (she spit it out immediately), wash you down like I am a baby, cuddle on to me to sleep.

Details:

Name: Zhen Zhen
Looks: 6/10 (Country pumpkin looks)
Body: Nice C cups, a bit shubby, short though,
Skills, 5/10
Actting: Oscar Award nominee
Age: XX (make a guess!)
Origin: Wunan.

Sent her off at 10 this morning and she even offer to bring me lunch if I wanted to. (I wonder if she will throw in herself as desert if I had agreed?)

Enjoy!
AG

OldAsiaHand
11-10-06, 07:10
It was my pleasure to be mongering in such great company this week with the likes of AG, Santa, Arctic1, Csun213, Rptman and Mr. D and Mr. B (no handles) . And, great to meet the infamous Sxexpat and his mate.
Sorry, I missed Transporter and Legal Lad. Cebu Local was supposed to show up, but he appears to have bailed on us.

Having said that, I was disappointed in what I saw in my normal haunts around the Yalan Hotel. Most places had less than 50% of the usual quantity and the quality of what I saw was not that great. There are usually 4-5 girls that I want to do during my rounds, but I did not even see 1 that I really wanted to do this time. I settled for a big rack girl (sound familiar) from Baby. BBBJ skills were good, but she bitched about the size from the moment I stuck it in. It's sure good for my ego since I do not consider myself so big, but makes the service suck.

After dinner and a foot massage, I decided to call it a night only to receive a call at 2:30am from my freebie mommy who came over to spend the night. I guess I can't really call her a freebie anymore since last time she hit me for 270RMB for a new outfit, but at least she was wearing it when I saw her.

OAH

Transporter
11-10-06, 08:55
Well a good alternative might be the new location of BBS, there are only about a dozen or so places, but they are growing fast, seems like a lot of the mommies are moving into town

Cebu Local
11-10-06, 14:49
OAH AG and the gang
I am sorry that I missed you guys,Looks like I lost out on a great time.But It was all my fault,I thought that the last Express train from GZ left at 730PM,BIG MISTAKE.It looks like I really missed out on a great time

Ace Gallant
11-11-06, 03:14
Nah... this is just a joke... I find it funny and that's why I think I should write about it:

Upon walking out of Hui Mei foot massage, Santa, Artic 1 and I came face to face with the mummy of a BBS behind Hui Mei Hotel. It was only 4:30, still bright and so we decided to check it out. After all, its a Friday, we should always start early on Friday!

It is always interesting, while we were walking down the back lane, to see all these mummies try to "pull" this 2 Laowai (Santa and Artic) and using me as the translator or the mummies talking to me telling me cock & bull stories about which hotel, BBS got raided. About which BBS has what kind of girl and also (of course) their BBS have to best selection. Every single mummy I know in CP does that! I guess it is a form of their standard mummy training! Kills the competition! Hard sell!

In the BBS, there was a selection of 15 girls. Not a bad coverage! Both Santa and Artic settled into one girl each. Mummy keeps wanting to push one to me but I just brush them aside telling them that I have important matters to attend to and this been escorting my other batch of "friends" around. Upon getting out from the BBS, a couple of other mummies asking if I need a girl because I am the only one that is empty handed. This is quickly met by reply for the mummy from the BBS with "He is a tour agent!". Oh Yah! New profession for AG!


Returning to Miraton, Santa and Artic settled while I got onto the ISG. Less than 10 mins later I got a call from Santa who is in the room across me telling me that her girl have 2 little blisters on her inner thigh and he is not sure what it is. Had me talking to the girl in whom I got a story about her customer a couple days ago had a huge dick and while doing her the abrasion of his body on her inner thigh caused the bruises which attributes to this two little blisters. (Phew! That was a mouth full!) I walk on over to Santa’s and proceed to “Examine” the blisters (Free view of the pussy!) It sure does look like a blister from rough handling! She explained she had seen a doctor and it is not a disease blah blah blah.. Ok so now AG is Dr. AG!

Santa decided that he has lost his entire mood and thus wants her to go. Told her that we will forego the 100 paid the mama. Now at this point there was silence from the girl for at least 5 mins. I can felt her brains processing fast on how to convince us to pay her the rest of the money (100). However I guess her processing power of a normal 386 in her head cannot decipher the complex situation; she finally said: “What about my money?” I smiled and said to her “Well, what are we going to pay you for? Viewing your pussy?” She reluctantly got up, got dress and left. Overall I should say she is a nice girl because although she knew she is not going to get paid, she left without showing any attitude or anger. She even apologized before leaving! I pass her a written note of my cell# and ask her to ask her mama to give me a call, in case mama would scold her or punish her.

Santa, Reader and I met for dinner at the Bistrol next door. Mama call me. Explained to her what happened and she apologized and explained the same cock and bull story. Managed to negotiate with mama for a replacement of another girl for Santa and she promised not to collect and extra for this second girl.

After Dinner, Santa headed back her BBS while Reader and I head out to Tao Yuan KTV.

End of story.
Dr. AG

Ace Gallant
11-11-06, 06:16
Departing from the BBS scene, Reader and I headed to the newly opened Tao Yuan KTV (was just there 2 nights ago!) This time, the meat market is open.

I was disappointed as I was expecting a much bigger and much more packed with girls. But instead, I see the same thing as the Amazon KTV. In fact the fact that “the market” is smaller than that in Amazon, the girls and customer are squeezed in together. At the time we arrived (7:30pm) it is suppose to be late and therefore there should had been less people than if we had arrived earlier. The only difference in the line up is that they do have an extra 2 rows of girls in the centre of the market thus making it a 6 rows meat market as compared to a 4 rows meat market. I reckon that the number of girls are just the same as in Amazon. Quality wise; Hmmm… no difference. Equal share of Ugly ones and Pretty face compared to Amazon. One distinct difference; I been commenting on that was, there seems to be a lot younger and prettier managers here than the Amazon KTV. I keep on joking about not wanting to take the managers instead of the girls!

20 mins and 3 round of scouting around, Reader and I picked up 3 girls and headed back to our room. Once in our room, managers are also bringing in line ups and pushing more girls. We selected another girl from one of the 5 line ups see had viewed.

I’ll skipped all the detail about the play in the KTV room but just add in that we had a good time because those girls we had picked are much fun, especially the girl that I choose to take back with me. She is a lot of fun. We did manage to get 3 of the 6 girls drunk with Bourbon Coke!

Details of the KTV:

As the KTV is new, there are some cabby who still do not know the place. So you can tell them Jia Yi Jiu Dian (Hotel) and if he still do not know, tell him opposite "Xing Di Disco". Here are the details:

嘉怡酒店 (Jiayi Hotel)
桃园娱乐城 (Tao Yuan Recreation Town)
Xianxu District,
Swan Lake Road
Changping
Dongguan
Tel: 769-83939688

Continue....

However, on returning back to the hotel after 4 hours at the KTV, my girl started throw up into my garbage bin. She keep on saying that she is not drunk but it is kind of funny to see this naked lady laying next to me, turning her head to the side of the bed every 5 to 10 mins and throwing up into the bin! Told her that we should take a rest and let her continue on her gastric clearing for the next one hour! I noticed every time she threw up she would drink water! In stead of gargling and spitting the water out into the bin! By the morning, after 6 bottles of water, the bin was full! No, that was not the funny part!

Here’s the funny part:

After 1 hour of rest, I woke up with her stoking my little brother. I asked her to get some rest as it appears to me that her vomiting had stopped. She just exclaimed: “No I got to do my job!” Even though I assured her that I will not kicked her out even if we do not get into the action at this moment; she insist on me doing her. So here it starts: She said that I cannot do any other position which usually she said she knew at least 6; so missionary is the only position or she’ll start to throw again. But it seems that my pumping still does not help her a lot as she started vomiting again after 10 mins. So it is like a scene of pump pump pump, 10 – 20 mins, she turns to the side of the bed, and throw throw throw, pump pump pump, throw throw throw. Pump pump pump, throw, and this lasted for 3 hours! This got to be the funniest fuck I ever had! I finally paid her in full (800) and ask her to go home to rest after popping 3 hours from the start. (6:30am) I guess that make her feel a lot better as to she had done her job and got the reward. But I was thinking: “Dam! was I cruel!”

Details:
Name: Xiang Xiang 湘湘
Group 12 No. 0110
Age: 22
Origin: Yunan.
Body: Slim
Breast: On man! I think mine is bigger than hers! She is the flattest girl I ever had! Look like something went terribly wrong during her puberty! That’s one of the reasons why I took so long to pop! Feel like I am fucking a 10 years old! I have to close my eyes and not think of her flat chest just not to feel guilty!
Skills: Missionary only or she will phew (she phew anyways but insisted on me carrying on), so how would I be able to comment on her bed skills???
Others: With her phewing every 10 – 20 mins, do you think I would even try to ask her to on a BJ for me? :D

Overall, she is a very nice girl, if not for been drunk; I reckon she would be very fun in bed! She was the most fun girl in the KTV room and Reader told me that the reason why he picked her is because the last time round, she was a drinker and a great fun girl. She really lived up to the fun part in the KTV room, but not on the drinking part!

Enjoy!
AG

Minkfan1
11-11-06, 06:30
Hi AG,

Is the tao yuan ktv you mentioned the same as the JiaYi KTV?

If they are the same, do I tell the cabby "tao yuan KTV" or "jiayi KTV"?

thanks

minkfan

Ace Gallant
11-11-06, 06:40
Hi AG,

Is the tao yuan ktv you mentioned the same as the JiaYi KTV?

If they are the same, do I tell the cabby "tao yuan KTV" or "jiayi KTV"?

thanks

minkfan

Jia Yi is the hotel next to Tao Yuan KTV. The full name of the KTV is "Tao Yuan Recreational Town"

As the KTV is new, there are some cabby who still do not know the place. So you can tell them Jia Yi Jiu Dian (Hotel) and if he still do not know, tell him opposite "Xing Di Disco". Here are the details:

嘉怡酒店 (Jiayi Hotel)
桃园娱乐城 (Tao Yuan Recreation Town)
Xianxu District,
Swan Lake Road
Changping
Dongguan
Tel: 769-83939688

And if the dam cubby still does not know, pick up the cell and call the number above have the people from the KTV tell him. Just remember to charge the Cabby for the phone call! :)

Enjoy!
AG

Minkfan1
11-11-06, 09:08
Hi AG,

thanks for the reply. I apologize for not reading your original post more carefully. My eyes just zoomed to the part where the meimei is throwing up in bed.

Santa
11-11-06, 09:12
Thank you Dr Gallant for the gynecological examination. Her replacement was great fun.

Budget Hotels. The Swan Lake Hotel (tel 83338388) has very clean and nice rooms for only 150rmb. It's near the clean and nice Yalan Hotel, 180rmb?, where lots of mommies hangout.

Most of us are staying at the Miraton (may-a-don) Hotel. It's maybe a 4 star hotel for only 300rmb, including buffet breakfast.

There are lots of cheap hotels for those on a tight budget.

Ace Gallant
11-11-06, 09:53
Never thought it would not be possible in CP where lots of girls are just looking for opportunity to get into the sex trade. I would think that every single girl who sleeps with you would want some kind of returns, sooner or later.

I am posting this report right after my freebie left my room. The interesting thing about this is I pick up this freebie from my regular legit foot massage place "Hui Mei foot massage" and this foot massage girl, let's call her XX. Had her a couple of time coming over to my room in my last few CP trips. It all started 4 trips ago. That's the same girl in which member Ticktock mentioned I bought her last 2 boxes of mooncakes. She is just a innocent village girl: Untouched, Unspoilt, Uncorrupted. I am came in to take that all away! Well, I hate to do this all the time but my little head does not agreed with my big head!

Today she took a day off by paying off the company a full day's salary and went to visit her sister in Tangxia in the morning. She could have gone back to work but she insisted on coming to my room and make out. She wanted to stay but I urge her to go home to rest as she had earned it. Never asked for any return. And instead she paid her company to make out with me! I guess, her returns is she got part of my heart!

Well... just a teaser...it is really possible to get freebies anywhere in China!

AG

Laowai123
11-11-06, 18:26
[...] thought that the last Express train from GZ left at 730PM,BIG MISTAKE.[...]I will take the opportunity to post d/l links to scans of the latest timetable of GZ - SZ Expressrailway.

Notice:
广州 - Guangzhou
广州东 - Guangzhou East
石龙 - Shilong
东莞 - Dongguang / Changping Town
樟木头 - Zhangmutou
深圳 - Shenzhen

Keep in mind that you have to take the right train which stops in "Dongguan", as this staion is actually in Changping Town.

Grabbed a bundle of these new timetable at GZ East station some days ago at the counters where you can buy tickets for this route. Maybe you are able to get one the next time you are at this station. I assume they are also displayed at the other stations of this route...at least at SZ station.

http://rapidshare.com/files/2932188/GZ-SZ_timetable-200609_1.jpg.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/2932190/GZ-SZ_timetable-200609_2.jpg.html

LW

Cebu Local
11-11-06, 22:44
I have already downloaded the schedule Thanks again

Downunder96
11-12-06, 01:27
Miraton hotel also has the Train timetable in green photocopy sheets (reduced to fit in wallet) about 3 X 2 inches.

Very handy indeed. Go to the service office next to the lift. They can even book the ticket for you for $5 extra. eg CP to Guangzhou East for $50 instead of $45

DU96


I will take the opportunity to post d/l links to scans of the latest timetable of GZ - SZ Expressrailway.

Notice:
广州 - Guangzhou
广州东 - Guangzhou East
石龙 - Shilong
东莞 - Dongguang / Changping Town
樟木头 - Zhangmutou
深圳 - Shenzhen

Keep in mind that you have to take the right train which stops in "Dongguan", as this staion is actually in Changping Town.

Grabbed a bundle of these new timetable at GZ East station some days ago at the counters where you can buy tickets for this route. Maybe you are able to get one the next time you are at this station. I assume they are also displayed at the other stations of this route...at least at SZ station.

http://rapidshare.com/files/2932188/GZ-SZ_timetable-200609_1.jpg.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/2932190/GZ-SZ_timetable-200609_2.jpg.html

LW

Beijing Xiber
11-12-06, 07:02
Hi All,

Put the info (both schedules & translations) into a pdf file so it can be saved for future use.

Thanks for the links and translations and hope to join some of the ISG members in Dongguan on a future trip.

BJXB

Yankee 617
11-12-06, 07:14
Just arrived (1:00 PM Sunday) at Miraton Hotel. Taxi from the GH to the GZ East Railway Station was 19 RMB. Train to DG station (1st stop) was 45 RMB. Taxi to Miraton was 20 RMB (negotiated down from 30). Transport was made easy by having hotel clerk write down the name of the Miraton (and of Changping town) in Chinese.

Man this hotel is great! Only 328 RMB/night (vs 1530 RMB/night at the GH in GZ) and this room on the 18th floor is much nicer in my opinion. Big king size bed. Large bathroom with both tub and shower (with frosted glass facing the bed!). TV, minibar, desk, full broadband Internet access and two breakfasts included each morning. More later...

Beijing Xiber
11-12-06, 07:21
Stumbled on this DG to HK shuttle bus schdule. Anyone tried these? If so, how much was it?

Thanks,

BJXB

Azn Playa
11-12-06, 09:26
she bitched about the size from the moment I stuck it in. It's sure good for my ego since I do not consider myself so big, but makes the service suck.Yeah it certainly spoils the experience if the girl is complaining during the act.
And in my opinion, for many of these girls (not the young ones new to the game) it is indeed an 'act'.

Cant figure out how this occurs to me with Chinese girls and rarely, if ever, in any other country in Asia.

Some girls must talk to each other on how to get the most money by providing the least, possibly because they dont care about repeat business or whether we will recommend them to our friends. Or they are used to some punters finishing in 1-2 minutes then giving them a big tip, which ruins it for the rest of us.

My other theory is that the girls have little knowledge about their own internal anatomy and think that a large member will permanently stretch them, affecting their potential for future earnings. I know this sounds ridiculous but there has to be some messed up logic in their minds (that is if they aren't just trying to scam us).

At least girls in saunas are virtually oblidged to ensure the punter is happy with their service, as there are usually fines in place imposed by the management if they provide sloppy service (well thats what some girls have told me).

Wamlies
11-12-06, 13:54
I will be in CP for 1 week Jan 16th, business and hopefully some pleasure. Bit of a newbie, and will be alone so would be happy to hook up with anyone else who happens to be in town for a bit of fun. No plans yet for accomadation yet. PM me if interested.

Santa
11-12-06, 19:03
The Yalan and Swan Lake hotels are good, and there are lots of mommies and girls near the Yalan, but the area sucks. Better to find a hotel near the Miraton. The Lucky Hotel is very clean and nice rooms starting at 155rmb, and a great location. Some mommies outside.

I had a very girlfriendly gal the other night. No rush and stayed two hours for 200rmb. The girl I had tonight promised to stay for four hours, but as soon as the deed was finished she got dressed and kept asking for her money.

Met Yankee, Reader and Transporter. They are all cool guys.

Ace Gallant
11-12-06, 22:51
I will be in CP for 1 week Jan 16th, business and hopefully some pleasure. Bit of a newbie, and will be alone so would be happy to hook up with anyone else who happens to be in town for a bit of fun. No plans yet for accomadation yet. PM me if interested.


Suggestion to all Newbies:

You should make the move to PM some of the seniors or experts in CP instead of asking them to PM you. As a newbie, this is also a way to show some respect to some of the experts like OAH, Santa, etc.

Suggestion to to Wamiles:

Jan 16th is too far away, in China things changes very quickly, Law changes over night, we do not know of raids, clean ups, crack down until it happens. Like what happened a week ago in CP there was a big crack down and thus, it was quite quiet in CP for about 2 weeks. Suggest you should PM people when it get nearer.

In the mean time you should contribute more to the forum and you will find that your hit rates of replies from members is higher.

Enjoy!
AG

Yankee 617
11-13-06, 01:53
Met Santa and Reader. Both are great guys. Visited three shops together and I eventually selected an 18 year old cutie.

Location: Turn left when leaving the Miraton Hotel and walk about 1 block to a square with bus stops, etc. On far side of the square, a street angles off to the left. As you head there, momma's approach from everywhere and try to take you to their shops. There seem to be numerous shops each with dozens of girls inside.

Scene: Once inside, the momma's will try to sell you their girls... even pulling out her breast to display it to you (an act that I felt was kinda embarrassing for the girl). She'll also have the girl sit on your lap. The momma's often don't want to take no for an answer. Eventually you select a girl at one of the shops, pay her momma 100 RMB on the spot, take the girl to your hotel, and pay the girl another 100 RMB when you are done.

My 18 year old cutie provided good service with mish, doggie, cowgirl and reverse cowgirl as well as DATY (which she seemed to like alot) but no kissing or BJ... should negotiate this up front. Not a GFE but quite willing to keep going even after friction made continuing impossible. She asked 200 RMB when we were done, but I paid only the agreed-upon 100 RMB. Invited her for dinner but she preferred going back to her friends. Kinda immature as she splashed water all over the bathroom and banged her hands all over my computer keyboard -- but no harm done.

Agree with Santa's description of the Lucky Hotel. The cheapest rooms (155 RMB) have no window. The "superior honeymoon" rooms are not much more (209 RMB) and much nicer.

Superforce99
11-13-06, 04:42
It's been a while since I've been in CP and it felt good to be back and wandering streets that seemed vaguely familiar
and full of promise. Only had one quick night to spend in CP and wanted to get going in my CP service vs. Zhuhai service
challenge.

Met up with Reader and AG at the hyped, new KTV along with a GZ friend of AG. The place is decorated in the typical, glitzy,
over-the-top Las Vegas barrage of mirrors, laser lights, and glass. I came a bit late, about 11pm, so the selection of gals
was a lot less than a few hours before, but I could tell that the main viewing hall could hold from 500-600 gals, which would
be a pretty impressive sea of pussy. Endless streams of mamasans kept brining lineups of gals into the room and there were
some nice looking ones, but I ended up not choosing any. Sorry to AG, Reader, and the friend for bailing on the KTV room so
quickly, but I'm just not a KTV guy and I get ansy if I'm sitting around bullshitting with a gal I'm paying to sit around and bullshitting
with. Now fucking a gal I paid for...that's another story. And if any of you can get the number of that manager gal, I'd definately
treat you to dinner and if I get farther with her, I'll be welcoming you to an all-expense CP trip next time!

About midnight, AG graciously brought me to one of his Yalan mamasans and as I entered her metal warehouse of gals, I was surprised that
the selection was still OK for that time of night. Papa/mamasan teamed up on me to offer a few suggestions but I decided to go
with a young-looking cutie who wasn't wearing much make-up (if any) and her clothes weren't bought from "*****s 'r us"...

Papasan flatly told me she just started for a few days and was very raw and sexual skills weren't very good. I assured him
that it'd be no problem and walked back to my hotel room at the Swan Lake Hotel which is just down the alley from the Yalan
hotel. Spacious, clean, comfortable room with windows and big bed for 150/night booked late Friday night which is great value
to me. I was leaving in the morning for GZ, so I didn't shell out for Miraton which is probably the best hotel for extended
stays in CP. Thanks again to Reader for helping me to get the room, he's a big ole' oyster-loving pimp! I'll buy you a dozen
the next time you're in Zhuhai!

The gal was from Hunan and apparently had been working for 4 days after coming to CP and working as a hotel front-desk girl for
a few months. She openly said she didn't like doing this and so wasn't in the best of moods from the get-go, ha ha...I joked
around with her and it helped in whatever little way was possible. After a mutual shower, we started on the bed and I kissed
her all over and DATY which she resisted then was pulling my face into her pussy by the end. I guess a bit more effective than
joking around...then when it came time for her to do a BJ, the "I don't know how to do this/I'm not good at this" routine was
trotted out until she finally started and performed pretty damn well for a "never did it before" gal, ha...then we fucked in several
positions until I finished faster than normal since she didn't look like she too happy. While chatting afterwards, she seemed OK,
and even said that she liked having sex with me because I wasn't "so rough" like other guys. Well, anyway, she was tight in pussy and
tight in body because she "is 18 this year". Vague answers to simple questions like, "How old are you", usually means what you
think it means, in my opinion. But then I guess young young stuff if the CP specialty. I wouldn't recommend or do her again, but
she's pleasant to look at.

Afterwards, I met up with Santa and had a late night meal with him surrounded by HK guys and their CP gals. What's up with you
HK guys and your tinted/colored/over-sized glasses, bad hair-coloring/color streaking, and big foreheads?? Ha ha...it's like
a mandatory look for HK guys in CP or something...

I walked around with Santa and went into several "hotel room brothels" that are run from many of the hotels around the Hui Mei Hotel
area. Standard proceedure is a mamasan/tout propositions you on the street and they lead you to a hotel room in a smaller,
run-down hotel which has from 5-10 gals. Selection was OK, slightly lower quality than AG's Yalan warehouse and same price of
200 RMB/ST. At one place, I just had a special feeling about one of the young mamasans instead of the gals...she thought I was
kidding, but I called her up and said I really wanted to fuck her. After lots of callbacks to verify I'm serious, she pushed
me to take 2 gals for Santa so she could get off work. Santa was off to deliver presents to all the good boys and girls, so he
didn't have the time/energy. Eventually, she said she was eager to meet me and be at my hotel by 2:45am, which meant I was about to
fall asleep at 3:30-ish, when she showed up. It was kind of awkward because during the first 5 minutes of meeting her, she kept
getting calls from "her brother" or "her sister" and she kept making up BS excuses like she was out eating, drinking with friends,
about to take a shower (!), and other fake excuses. She finally stopped answering when I bear hugged her and DFK her while stripping
off her clothes and phone onto the floor. For the next hour, we had non-stop crazy, monkey-sex which I haven't had in a while, and
unfortunately, crazy monkey-sex is always bareback...She seemed quiet but happy afterwards, though she probably missed over two dozen
phone calls during our session. After the shower and getting dressed, I invited her for more monkey-sex in Zhuhai and her silence was
a "semi-yes" in my opinion. I asked her how much I should pay her and she just looked at me kind of weird and I wasn't sure what
to say or do, so I asked if she wanted "taxi money to get home to her brother/sister ASAP" and she said OK. I gave her two 100s and
a 50 and she took the 50 and quickly left my hotel room. Hmmm....don't know what to make of it although she's called me several times
these past few days asking me where I am and when I'm coming back to CP. I'll catagorize this one not as a freebie, but as "unknown".

Anyway, AG is cool, Reader is cool, CP is cool. Too bad there's not a better/faster way to get there from ZH. Enjoy the pics of
the CP gal, though she said she would no longer work as a ho ASAP because she didn't like it so you might not find her if you try to
look for her. Contact AG for the number of the mamasan. I didn't get any pics of young mamasan since monkey-sex is usually too
involving.


Enjoy and stay safe,


J

Downunder96
11-13-06, 05:10
It's been a while since I've been in CP and it felt good to be back and wandering streets that seemed vaguely familiar and full of promise. Only had one quick night to spend in CP and wanted to get going in my CP service vs. Zhuhai service challenge.

Papasan flatly told me she just started for a few days and was very raw and sexual skills weren't very good. The gal was from Hunan and apparently had been working for 4 days after coming to CP and working as a hotel front-desk girl for a few months. She openly said she didn't like doing this and so wasn't in the best of moods from the get-go, ha ha. I joked around with her and it helped in whatever little way was possible. After a mutual shower, we started on the bed and I kissed her all over and DATY which she resisted then was pulling my face into her pussy by the end. I guess a bit more effective than joking around. Then when it came time for her to do a BJ, the "I don't know how to do this/I'm not good at this" routine was trotted out until she finally started and performed pretty damn well for a "never did it before" gal, ha. Then we fucked in several positions until I finished faster than normal since she didn't look like she too happy. While chatting afterwards, she seemed OK, and even said that she liked having sex with me because I wasn't "so rough" like other guys. Well, anyway, she was tight in pussy and tight in body because she "is 18 this year". Vague answers to simple questions like, "How old are you", usually means what you think it means, in my opinion. But then I guess young young stuff if the CP specialty. I wouldn't recommend or do her again, but she's pleasant to look at.

JHer looks is 10/10 for me. Very sweet indeed. Would love to meet her one day if you have the mama contact.

Thanks for the pictures.

DU96

Pointpanic
11-13-06, 19:39
Okay I realize that this is not a shopper's guide(actually it is in a different sort of way) but I was interested in going to that mall as a sightseer/shopper. Are there any bargains there.

MpfsLover
11-13-06, 20:17
Stumbled on this DG to HK shuttle bus schdule. Anyone tried these? If so, how much was it?

Thanks,

BJXB

BJXB,

I have taken shuttles between DG and HK border ( LoWu, HuangGang ). The ride is good and price is reasonable, usually the bus drops you off near DG downtown hotels area. Bus departs about every 20 minutes from the border.

I have not tried the ones in your brochure.

Mpfslover

Beijing Xiber
11-14-06, 01:49
Okay I realize that this is not a shopper's guide(actually it is in a different sort of way) but I was interested in going to that mall as a sightseer / shopper. Are there any bargains there.WB:

About a month ago, I was in DG and asked my friend who has a factory near the SCM and he told me that it is NOT doing well with some shops and restaurants have already moved on (mening closed!). He recommended that I NOT take the time and effort to go there unless I just wanted to see the architecture.

If you go, please let us know how it is as I am also curious as to how is the"largest mall in China" doing.

BJXB

Yankee 617
11-14-06, 10:38
I'm now at the Miraton Hotel in CP and picked up a brochure for the Eternal East Bus Company http://www.eebus.com/

They run non-stop bus service between HKIA and four hotels in CP (Goodview, Miraton, Virgin, and Lai Shing Holiday Resort). Travel time is about 3 hours each way. Adult fare is 200 HKD one-way and 360 HKD round-trip. Ten daily departures from the Miraton between 0545 and 1545. Daily departures from HKIA every half hour from 1000 until 1930. The EE Service Kiosk (Number A08) is near the McDonalds just outside customs and immigration at HKIA.

They also offer service to Shenzhen and Guangzhou from HKIA.
http://www.eebus.com/upload_doc/interbus_1/interbus_1_1/detail/a1.jpg
http://www.eebus.com/upload_doc/interbus_1/interbus_1_1/detail/b2.jpg

I'm leaving here tomorrow but plan to return (via late bus from HKIA) for 2 nights on Thursday 7 December.

China51
11-14-06, 22:16
I have been looking at having a girl full time in DG. Have had discussions with 2 KTV girls. Price so far is RMB5000 per month plus apartment which I assume will cost me about RMB2500 to 3000 more. Any feedback on any one else that has done this, I obviously don't want to throw money away, but also do not know the going price. Have heard as low as RMB3000 plus apartment.

Ace Gallant
11-15-06, 01:28
I have been looking at having a girl full time in DG. Have had discussions with 2 KTV girls. Price so far is RMB5000 per month plus apartment which I assume will cost me about RMB2500 to 3000 more. Any feedback on any one else that has done this, I obviously don't want to throw money away, but also do not know the going price. Have heard as low as RMB3000 plus apartment.

1) A KTV girl makes between RMB 3000 - RMB 10000 a month.
2) A foot massage girl makes between RMB 1500 - RMB 4000 a month
3) A Hotel waitress makes between RMB 1000 - RMB 3000 a month
4) A factory worker makes RMB 500 - RMB 1200 a month
5) A BBS girl makes RMB 3000 - RMB 8000 a month

No. 2, 3, 4 & 5 usually the employer will have to put them up with accommodations and 1 meal a day.

It depends on which category of girl you are offering to keep as a regular girlfriend.

By the way: the Apartments is Dongguan is not that cheap as many thinks it is. Especially with CP where the owner of the apartments know that a lot of man just keeps a mistress or regular girlfriend there. It will goes for RMB 2000 - as hugh as RMB 5000 for a 2 rooms apartment.

Pick your choice.

AG

Pointpanic
11-15-06, 03:11
There will be about four os us, probably staying at the Hui Hua. Would love to meet up with some ISG people

Donwon
11-15-06, 07:49
The Yalan and Swan Lake hotels are good, and there are lots of mommies and girls near the Yalan, but the area sucks. Better to find a hotel near the Miraton. The Lucky Hotel is very clean and nice rooms starting at 155rmb, and a great location. Some mommies outside.

I had a very girlfriendly gal the other night. No rush and stayed two hours for 200rmb. The girl I had tonight promised to stay for four hours, but as soon as the deed was finished she got dressed and kept asking for her money.

Met Yankee, Reader and Transporter. They are all cool guys. I agree with Santa that the area where the Yalan is located really sucks. I wouldn't walk around that area at night. Also, not much around there. I stayed at the Lucky Hotel with a mongering buddy when we were there early this year. Had a Japanese room which we paid only 220 rmb for. Beds were in two separate rooms and each room had doors so lots of privacy when we brought the gals in. Only one bathroom though.

Mommies outside the Lucky took us to their houses just behind the hotel. Tried to bargain for 150rmb but ended paying 200rmb. Girls were 6-7 in looks in my opinion. Service was OK. Most PRC girls are petite which is what I like so I am not too fussy with these gals. Mommy promised to charge 150rmb on our repeat business but we did not go with the same mommy when we went for our second round.

The Walter is a nice hotel as well. Close to a Mall (Rainbow) and also a MacDonalds if you get tired of Chinese food. I wouldn't recommend the gals in the back of the Walter though. I actually felt sorry for them when I saw the conditions they lived in. I think the only one I think I would have done it with was a Hunan gal who quoted me 50 rmb for a shot. Paid only $269 at the Walter and this included 2 breakfast. I really loved their powerful showers. They were renovating or adding a sauna to the hotel when I was there in January. Any one tried it yet?

This is my first post so sorry if this is not descriptive enough for any of you. I hope to add more in the future. I will be in CP, Zuihai and Shenzhen in January. I hate writing though.

SE Asia Joe
11-15-06, 09:40
I have been looking at having a girl full time in DG. Have had discussions with 2 KTV girls. Price so far is RMB5000 per month plus apartment which I assume will cost me about RMB2500 to 3000 more. Any feedback on any one else that has done this, I obviously don't want to throw money away, but also do not know the going price. Have heard as low as RMB3000 plus apartment.

I give my girl in Shenzhen RMB 7,000/month and the apartment costs (approx 2,500 after utilities etc). Then of course there are all the little (not so little actually!) costs buying makeup, clothing, trinkets etc when I'm with her and also as presents PLUS the big one - when she goes back to her village - which reasonably should be twice/thrice a year (up to you). These costs extra "month's pay" usually! I'd consider my gal to be a bit below top class (Not a model, actress or absolute China Beauty!) - 20 yrs old, non smoking/drinking ex-factory gilr (1 year) who I met after working barely a week at a K-OK (hardly any/no mileage at all!).
But then again, I always figure that I give her whatever pleases ME - and if I can afford it - how muchy is it that I really give her! And to these girls in China, what may seem small to us basically is their whole livelihood - and thus I tend to be quite understanding - especially since I do like her - LOTS!!
Se Asia Joe

Loso69
11-15-06, 10:10
Sorry to have missed OldAsiaHand and Yankee 617 yesterday, but I badly wanted to get some pictures of the red rope treatment in the Jin Yu sauna and spent another day in ZH.

BTW, I didn't get what I wanted as I got scammed by the 2 lying bitches and the slimebag captain.

Anyway, I just checked into the Miraton and would love to meet up with any other members in town.

My phone number is: 13411405394

BTW, I'm the guy who took the "porn star" pictures posted by Johnnykon666 in the Zhuhai thread.

Loso

Santa
11-15-06, 10:40
I agree with Santa that the area where the Yalan is located really sucks. I wouldn't walk around that area at night. Also, not much around there. .

I was not concerned about my safety in this area, as long as my valubles are locked away. Mommies around the Yalan will take you to their several shops. Price is 200rmb for a 2 hr take away.

However, the area is dark and boring. Better to stay in or near the Miraton (may-ah-don).

Azn Playa
11-15-06, 13:00
I give my girl in Shenzhen RMB 7,000/month and the apartment costs (approx 2,500 after utilities etc). Then of course there are all the little (not so little actually!) costs buying makeup, clothing, trinkets etc when I'm with her and also as presents PLUS the big one - when she goes back to her village - which reasonably should be twice/thrice a year (up to you). These costs extra "month's pay" usually! I'd consider my gal to be a bit below top class (Not a model, actress or absolute China Beauty!) - 20 yrs old, non smoking/drinking ex-factory gilr (1 year) who I met after working barely a week at a K-OK (hardly any/no mileage at all!).
But then again, I always figure that I give her whatever pleases ME - and if I can afford it - how muchy is it that I really give her! And to these girls in China, what may seem small to us basically is their whole livelihood - and thus I tend to be quite understanding - especially since I do like her - LOTS!!
Se Asia Joe

Interesting read. Glad to hear you are happy.

Outlaying the least amount possible to fuck ultra cute girls is my goal.
This keeps me happy.

Considering a hot KTV girl could make 10000 a month, I would want an uber-babe for the money you are spending on your girl.
Remember she isnt working for this money but a KTV girl IS working.
If you consider your spending to be insignificant then good luck to you, but in China its a shitload of money.

And how do you know what she is getting up to behind your back?
I wouldnt trust that for a second!

.peace.

Loso69
11-15-06, 13:52
Just got here and have already broken my duck. I followed the directions given by Yankee 617 (thanks, dude) and was soon approached by a mamasan. She walked me to a nearby house with 5 girls. The mamasan was pushing an older girl with big tits, saying she gave great blowjobs. But I preferred a younger model, with a pretty face, sexy haircut and perfect figure. The mamasan asked for 250 RMB ST, but that was soon reduced to 200 RMB.

Dan Dan posed for some pictures and we showered together. I nibbled on her small, perky tits and ate her pussy for quite some time, which she seemed to love. She gave a decent BBBJ, but could do with more suction power. She didn’t relish sitting on my “big” laowai dick, but since she was really wet, it slid in easily. After she rode me for a while, I pulled her close and started kissing her. She resisted my tongue at first, but finally succumbed to slow & intimate French kissing. I alternated between DFK and drilling her in various positions until I came closed-legs mish. For a good performance, she was rewarded with a 50 RMB tip.

I’ll be back out later…

Loso

OldAsiaHand
11-15-06, 15:17
China 51,

Are you planning on staying in DG with this girl all the time? I have never done this myself, but have also know guys paying from 3,000-5,000. plus accommodation. Local accomodation can be had much cheaper than 2,500 - 3,000, even as low as 600-1,200. This depends on how much time you will spend there, I suppose.

Having said all that, I have heard so many stories of girls having local boyfriends, other steady guys from Hong Kong and staying in the KTV when the sugar daddy is not in town. I just pay as I go.

Just my POV.

OAH



I have been looking at having a girl full time in DG. Have had discussions with 2 KTV girls. Price so far is RMB5000 per month plus apartment which I assume will cost me about RMB2500 to 3000 more. Any feedback on any one else that has done this, I obviously don't want to throw money away, but also do not know the going price. Have heard as low as RMB3000 plus apartment.

China51
11-15-06, 17:26
No I'm not in DG all the time. 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Have already dumped the younger one as I found she had a local boyfriend, was too young, 20 & I think still enjoying the KTV life . Have other work friends in that area all the time & they keep an eye out for me (including my driver, an ex taxi driver that knows all the tricks) The 5000 girl is the better one (older as well 25 so not too much longer for her present life, although she had only been working this year since that KTV opened) She has fairly good english & I also do business (buying goods) with her real sister who speaks excellent english & is married ( in Guangzhou ). This sister is the only one in the family that knows what she does for a living & is keen, like me, for her to stop. I will keep her occupied with english school & helping her sister as the link between our businesses. I have no problem with boyfriends with this one as I have had her checked out & she is known to my friends girls (who were not KTV girls, so reputable info)

I know about the other costs, as I already look after them when I am there. Meals, clothes, presents etc do add up, but, not much when you consider what a western girl wants. Over in the States my ex also had a car & not an old one! Have already looked into accomadation that is in the same building as one of my friends, so he and his girl can also keep an eye on her until the trust builds. I think though, she knows what the deal means to her, I'm hoping!

ManonsanBoy
11-15-06, 18:43
Those who cannot spend time with their kept women had better avoid it, especially if they met them at KTV or similar places. It is a recepie for deceit etc etc. However, if you are cool with it..................its OK.

Ace Gallant
11-15-06, 21:27
Those who cannot spend time with their kept women had better avoid it, especially if they met them at KTV or similar places. It is a recepie for deceit etc etc. However, if you are cool with it..................its OK.


I agree,

During our visit to the CP BBS, we had viewed several girls that are terms are "Private Properties" which actually means they are someone's mistress or regular girlfriend.

If these "Private Properties" are available in the BBS, it is not so "private" or "Exclusive" to the person they are mistress to, isn't it?

AG

HoseGuy
11-16-06, 00:44
Not exactly a usual mongering question but I really need to know if the internet connections in the Miraton where I will be staying next Sunday to Wednesday offer Wifi or just the usual Lan Wired connection.

This is the my first trip to CP and I wanted to post my reports asap! =)

Thanks!

Downunder96
11-16-06, 02:10
I agree,

During our visit to the CP BBS, we had viewed several girls that are terms are "Private Properties" which actually means they are someone's mistress or regular girlfriend.

If these "Private Properties" are available in the BBS, it is not so "private" or "Exclusive" to the person they are mistress to, isn't it?

AGDuring my recent trip to CP I had this BBS girl from Yalan. After the deeds, told me she gets $10,000 from this HK guy per month and quite sick & tired of his "exclusive" business (if not for the money). She frankly told me he only comes to CP about 3-4 times a month mainly weekends & such a fool throwing $$ away!! So, not so "private" after all!

$10,000 can buy you 50+ ST in CP & you might even be able to negotiate "bulk" discount from the same mama!

This girl has worked in KTV in Miraton before

DU96

TheMan134
11-16-06, 03:00
About keep a girl in China. It all depend on your feeling for this girl. You can not put a price on a GFE and the feeling of being in love. I have a girl that I spent 50000RMB already and I was only with here for a week last month when I was in Shenzhen. I will be back to see her again and this time I plan to gave her another 50000RMB. I know it may be alot of money but something is worth it. And sometime even you spent the money you still can not buy the special feeling. Just my 2 cents. So if you like her and you think it is worth it just do it. Spent up to you limit.

Good luck

Azn Playa
11-16-06, 03:55
I know about the other costs, as I already look after them when I am there. Meals, clothes, presents etc do add up, but, not much when you consider what a western girl wants. Over in the States my ex also had a car & not an old one!

Yeah but youre not in the States, youre in China. So its probably better for your wallet not to make comparisons with a country that has a GDP per capita thats many times greater than here.

There are plenty of cuties who would be happy to hook up with a western guy, so no need to spend too much in order to keep her. If she wants more then replace her until you find one that is satisfied with a smaller amount. Either that or just pick them up as you need them!

Fast Eddie 48
11-16-06, 04:23
I agree,

During our visit to the CP BBS, we had viewed several girls that are terms are "Private Properties" which actually means they are someone's mistress or regular girlfriend.

If these "Private Properties" are available in the BBS, it is not so "private" or "Exclusive" to the person they are mistress to, isn't it?

AG


to AG

Many Hong konger have second wife or mistress in Shenzhen or cp and they only see on weekend ,Many stories of mistress kill himself very high suicide rate in china .

I don't blame this girl for looking after himself in case the guy give them the boot after they are tired of them , They are looking after themself for the future they can only work for so long .

fast eddie 48

MassPilot27
11-16-06, 04:52
Hey guys,

In 2 weeks I am doing my first of what will 4-5 trips to DG over the next 6 months. So, of course, I've been researchign on here. Can you guys help me out a bit. I am unfamiliar with the geography and the relation of my base to the fun. I will be based at the Windsor hotel (http://www.windsorchina.com/) adn I am lost as to teh local options. A bit of help?

Thanks!

Ace Gallant
11-16-06, 06:00
not exactly a usual mongering question but i really need to know if the internet connections in the miraton where i will be staying next sunday to wednesday offer wifi or just the usual lan wired connection.

this is the my first trip to cp and i wanted to post my reports asap! =)

thanks!

wired lan is available. but based on our compansion between some hotels, (reader123 can verify), miraton has the fastest connection speed.

ag

Ace Gallant
11-16-06, 06:08
to AG

Many Hong konger have second wife or mistress in Shenzhen or cp and they only see on weekend ,Many stories of mistress kill himself very high suicide rate in china .

I don't blame this girl for looking after himself in case the guy give them the boot after they are tired of them , They are looking after themself for the future they can only work for so long .

fast eddie 48

Well... I am not saying that the mistress of some Hongkonger sometimes found working in BBS are doing something wrong. But I am just telling "China51" that the "exclusive girls", mistress, Regular friends will ended up to be NOT so exclusive afterall.... and asking China51 to decide whether he can put up with this?

I understand that the girls are protecting themselves too. Many a times, these girls asked the question: "What if he return to his homeland and that's the last I ever heard from him?"

From my experience with chatting up with girls working in Bars of Shanghai. Many of them ended up working there, have a kid at home have the same story: They had been cheated by some scumbags from overseas telling them that they will marry them and bring them home to their home land, but they just disappeared after they become pregnant or become tied of her. So who shal I say is in the wrong?

AG

Ace Gallant
11-16-06, 06:26
About keep a girl in China. It all depend on your feeling for this girl. You can not put a price on a GFE and the feeling of being in love. I have a girl that I spent 50000RMB already and I was only with here for a week last month when I was in Shenzhen. I will be back to see her again and this time I plan to gave her another 50000RMB. I know it may be alot of money but something is worth it. And sometime even you spent the money you still can not buy the special feeling. Just my 2 cents. So if you like her and you think it is worth it just do it. Spent up to you limit.

Good luck

Frankly, for a girl who spend 50,000 from your pocket in one week, I doubt she is very GFE. A true GFE girlfriend will be watching out your pocket for you and not try to to get every opportunity to clean out your wallet. For GFE; It is not the amount of the money that counts, it is the thoughts that counts.

IMHO:
I have a number of freebies in Shanghai, they are true freebies because they seldom or never asked for any money from me. Although I know that their long time intention is for me to marry them; I never rule this possiblity out. Just to give an example of what is true GFE: I usually take a long time to pop, but one of my freebie realized that after I had a few sessions with her. She secretly bought X-Rate movies and secretly watch and try to learn how to make me pop. I caught watching once and I asked her why she admits that she feel rather bad that I need to take a lot of strenght before I can pop while for her; its over vey quickly. She went on to ask if she let me do her Anal, (her ass was still virgin than), do bj and the different positions in the movie will I pop faster. At that point I was trying to test her more by saying "Actually if you let me pop your ass, I will be able to pop everytime very quickly". She immidately agreed to let me pop her ass! That by my definitions is GFE! She just wants me to enjoy her as true girlfriend. (by the way: I did not pop her ass until a few sessions later).

However if by spending lots of money on a girl make you feel good and satisfied.... why not? Since money spent can be earn back.

AG

Ace Gallant
11-16-06, 06:31
During my recent trip to CP I had this BBS girl from Yalan. After the deeds, told me she gets $10,000 from this HK guy per month and quite sick & tired of his "exclusive" business (if not for the money). She frankly told me he only comes to CP about 3-4 times a month mainly weekends & such a fool throwing $$ away!! So, not so "private" after all!

$10,000 can buy you 50+ ST in CP & you might even be able to negotiate "bulk" discount from the same mama!

This girl has worked in KTV in Miraton before

DU96

Well this is also one of the reasons why I said "exclusive" is not so exclusive at all! Don't you just hate it when you spend the money, thinking that she is yours and thinking she is hooked on the you; but when you turn around, she hates you and starts saying bad thing about you, plus start fucking around!

This case; don;t you think it is even more stupid? Spending money to buy hated and been called a stupid guy?

AG

Bob Builder
11-16-06, 10:27
Or where else will I have all these nice apartments to stay at during the week.

Don't you just love it when you got to a BBS or KTV and pick a hot gal and the mama says whe doesn't work there and she is only there to visit her friend who works there and play majong or card but if you really want her she will see what she can do.

While we are on this thread, I had a buddy take a gal from a KTV back to her place and in the morning the gal's boyfriend shows up at the apartment. My pal puts on his clothes and when he leaves says sorry to the boyfriend. I gave him a hard time and told him he should have told the boyfriend that he had paid for LT and to feck off and come back in an hour when he was finished.

What did OAH say about taking the girl out of the KTV...

Green Carrot
11-16-06, 10:47
Hey guys,

In 2 weeks I am doing my first of what will 4-5 trips to DG over the next 6 months. So, of course, I've been researchign on here. Can you guys help me out a bit. I am unfamiliar with the geography and the relation of my base to the fun. I will be based at the Windsor hotel (http://www.windsorchina.com/) adn I am lost as to teh local options. A bit of help?

Thanks!Your base (Windsor Park Hotel) seems to be located in Huang Jiang which is about 10 minutes by taxi from the Dongguan (Chang Ping) Railway Station, or about 15 minutes by taxi from where the fun is (i.e. Chang Ping Town).

BTW, fun can also be had in Huang Jiang. The KTV and Sauna in the Prince Hotel in Huang Jiang, for instance, are great fun places for mongers.

Happy hunting!

Ditto88
11-16-06, 15:37
China51,

I guess you have read the many opinions from members already on your subject and i agree with all of them. Working Girls are the same all over, be it Chinese, Thai, Vietnamese....etc. They are in the game for quick easy money and will try to grab as much as possible within their working life. And in China, the working life span is much shorter too !! They gotta protect their future too, you know.

If you really feel that you like her enough to assist her financially in her daily life but have no intention of marrying her, by all means go ahead but do not have high hopes of loyalty in the relationship. It is much easier on your mind. Jealously and Uncertainity will drain you and ultimately break the relationship anyways.

You gotta also think. How much and how long will you be able to support them with their endless problems since you will be their sole provider...i have heard stories of Sick Cows at home, House Repair, No Fridge, No TV, Brother needs a Bike to school, Relative terminally sick in need of urgent funds....etc.

Just my 2 cents....

China51
11-16-06, 17:36
Thanks guys. Something to chew on. I do realise why they are doing what they do & accept it. I am not ajelous type. But if I can profit by, maybe, helping one of them, then I will try. But I also expect to be dissapointed a lot. Thats the game for me. One of the threads mentions about being slow to pop & how she wanted to improve herself to make it happen for him faster, I had the same experience with the girl I'm thinking of trying to keep. Porn movies & all. As I had said, she was new at it & needed to know more, hey I like teaching ! She also at the moment throws in freebies, or just accepts what I want to give her at the time. That is one of my tests. Also appears to be fairly honest as I have left large sums of cash (to her) in an area she knows & she has never touched it. Seems to like my lifestyle rather than hers. I live in first class hotels when in town, eat at expensive restaurants (for them ), have a nice apartment at my factory out of town (along with a gym) & a full time driver (to run her to & from my apartment). So she does like the benefits compared to what she has at present. So I will see what happens, now I know a little more from your experiences.

I will let you all know when I am next in DG so I may hook up with some of you, as I am usually the only westener at the factory at that time, so no one there with a common interest. My driver knows all the spots & mammas, as I have said an ex taxi driver.

Devilguy
11-16-06, 19:03
Dear Collegues.

Due to my business (small furnitures), I am a frecuent visitor of Dongguan on my way to Shunde.

In this forum, I figure out that +90% of guys talking about Chanping. OK, maybe chanping is better due to its convenient location (Railway station), but from my point of view, Houjie has better price/quality relation.

Chanping has the plus of hosting "catacomb", yeah it is a cheap place, but the quality is 5 or less. I am sure that you guys usually spend more than US$ 1, 000 to get Dongguan from your home country. Maybe RMB 1, 000 2, 000 it not a big money. So I consider that spending the same amount of money+alpha for better quality is wealthier.

Why I like Houjie.

1. Concentration: Same as Miraton Hotel area in CP, the Sheraton Hotel area in Houjie has a high concentration of Saunas and KTV: I. E. Cinese Hotel, Sheraton, Haiyatt (no type mistake, is not Hyatt), Leyi, Jianglang, Mantion, there are about 15 hotels within walking distance, and all of them has Sauna & KTV.

2. Transportation: There are no train station. But buses from HK, SZ and GZ stops just front of Major Hotels (I. E. Sheraton, Haiyatt)

3. Quality: Houjie is full of high-end clubs, Sheraton's KTV is considered as the best of southern China by a HK's magazine, and Cinese & Haiyatt also deserve an A+. I visited about 4 KTV in Houjie, and I can give the highest qualifiction to Sheraton & Cinese Hotel.

I also have been in Crown prince, New century, HuiHua, and I just think that they tried to copy Sheraton.

4. Price: In cinese hotel KTV for example, a small room Charge is about RMB 600 (depend on what you ordered) and the girls 200/500/1000. So the price is similar to those clubs in Chanping.

Hotel room in Sheraton was about RMB 600, Haiyatt & Cinese 460. They are 5 star hotels.

6. Reliability: When I go to China, usually I only drink beers, because the whiskies in KTV are fake. I think Houjie is one of few place in China where you can drink a genuine whiskey.

If the price is what you looking for, Is think the right place is Zhuhai, there are no "catacomb" but a lot of girls sitting in many of beer houses located in the pedestrian street and many mamasans in the same street. The quality is much better than Catacomb, and the prece is reasonable. RMB 300.

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Bull Dozer
11-16-06, 23:46
My advice is find a non working girl,for that kind of money there are many girls working in regular stores making 1000RMB a month who will die to get some extra money to have a better life, there may be some Pros & Cons in that relationship but worth a try.

Go Joe


China51,

I guess you have read the many opinions from members already on your subject and i agree with all of them. Working Girls are the same all over, be it Chinese, Thai, Vietnamese....etc. They are in the game for quick easy money and will try to grab as much as possible within their working life. And in China, the working life span is much shorter too !! They gotta protect their future too, you know.

If you really feel that you like her enough to assist her financially in her daily life but have no intention of marrying her, by all means go ahead but do not have high hopes of loyalty in the relationship. It is much easier on your mind. Jealously and Uncertainity will drain you and ultimately break the relationship anyways.

You gotta also think. How much and how long will you be able to support them with their endless problems since you will be their sole provider...i have heard stories of Sick Cows at home, House Repair, No Fridge, No TV, Brother needs a Bike to school, Relative terminally sick in need of urgent funds....etc.

Just my 2 cents....

Ace Gallant
11-17-06, 04:15
My advice is find a non working girl,for that kind of money there are many girls working in regular stores making 1000RMB a month who will die to get some extra money to have a better life, there may be some Pros & Cons in that relationship but worth a try.

Go Joe

Non- Pros working girls that works in factories, or other store are looking more or less for real steady Boyfriends or future husband. I do not agree that all of them will die to get some extra money. If they will die to get some money, why will they even bother to work long hours to get such small amount of salary? There are so many BBS in China, just go to one and tell the mama that she is willing to open her legs and sell herself.

Yes they want a better life but a better life from someone trustable and truthful. Someone they wants for long term and not someone for short term. Chinese girls are not all that stupid. In fact a lot of them given that the enviroment they grow up in (been poor) has became even smarter in order to survive. So, in saying that; it make it even more difficult to convience them to be your short term GF. Of course there still exist another group of girls that are just plain stupid or plain lustful. The plain stupid ones will be afraid to go out and shy away from foreigners. The plain lustful ones will be freebies material and will end up in BBS or KTV anyways. The last group are; the Plain ugly; I don;t think that falls under the consideration for a Part time GF will they?

AG

OldAsiaHand
11-17-06, 04:43
Should we move the China51 discussion to the China Women - Opinions and Advice thread?

Reader123
11-17-06, 06:09
so far..miraton is very reliable and speed is good. using voip on it too and it works fine. bring your own compact wireless router if you really need wireless.


wired lan is available. but based on our compansion between some hotels, (reader123 can verify), miraton has the fastest connection speed.

ag

OldAsiaHand
11-17-06, 06:54
Is CP on the downslide? IMHO, the selection/quality of the girls near the Yalan Hotel and behind the Hui Mei Hotel is declining. Also, I find that the number of places open are fewer than before.

On the night I was there this week, I only did one girl/one pop. I usually take names and numbers from the mamas for later, but there was just not that much out there that I wanted to do. Having said that, there were a pair of twins (mama's representation) that I wanted, but one was gone by the time I made a decision. Happens often to me since I love the hunt and spend a lot of time going from one place to the next. I had asked the mama to confirm that I could switch off the twins without changing condoms. The mama called the next evening to let me know they were available, but I was already on my way to GZ.

The girl I did gave fantastic BBBJ, but was so tight I could hardly manage to get inside. She cringed with pain (authentic) when I stuck it in even though she tried to pretend it was OK. I settled for a BBBJCIM which was a letdown since she pulled away just as I popped and ran to the wastebasket to spit and hack for nearly 5 minutes. She had agreed to CIM so I was not expecting this. I wish I could find the kind of BBBJ joints that exist in Shanghai in Guangdong. Does anybody know of any?

I guess I should start to explore other alternatives in DG. I really like the take-out set-up in CP. I am not much of a KTV or sauna fan. Transporter mentioned one place about 40 minutes from CP called Chang San or something like that. Any other suggestions?

OAH

Asn Dragon
11-17-06, 07:40
Dear OAH,

I do agree, the quality of the girls in the factories in chang ping is declining. I just having come back from a recent trip in Chang Ping was quite dissapointed. However, besides the factories behind Hui Mei and Yalan Hotel, i found that many KTV's are offering their girls for take outs as well. Such as the Silver Spring KTV i believe it's called. If you want the number, i can give it to you. But they have about 6 rooms in each KTV during the early afternoon before people start going to the KTV's at night.

What's interesting is that they offer girls whom are DJ's, Hostesses and also regular KTV girls that sit with you. The quality in my opinion is a bit better, than the usual chicken farm style places you find near Yalan Hotel. In addition, the environment that you get to be in while picking your girls is a bit nicer than those pink and blue neon lights you usually see in other factories.

Honestly, i don't m ind paying a bit more than 200 for ST, if the girl was really hot, like a 8 or 9. I would be even willing to pay up to 400 for ST if the girls were better quality than those seen at the factories or BBS places in Changping now.

BUt i guess you trade one thing for another. Changping offers younger and fresher girls, while SZ offers prettier stunners, but they are usually quite used and older.

Asn Dragon
11-17-06, 07:57
Dear Collegues.

Due to my business (small furnitures), I am a frecuent visitor of Dongguan on my way to Shunde.

In this forum, I figure out that +90% of guys talking about Chanping. OK, maybe chanping is better due to its convenient location (Railway station), but from my point of view, Houjie has better price/quality relation.

Chanping has the plus of hosting "catacomb", yeah it is a cheap place, but the quality is 5 or less. I am sure that you guys usually spend more than US$ 1, 000 to get Dongguan from your home country. Maybe RMB 1, 000 2, 000 it not a big money. So I consider that spending the same amount of money+alpha for better quality is wealthier.

Why I like Houjie.

1. Concentration: Same as Miraton Hotel area in CP, the Sheraton Hotel area in Houjie has a high concentration of Saunas and KTV: I. E. Cinese Hotel, Sheraton, Haiyatt (no type mistake, is not Hyatt), Leyi, Jianglang, Mantion, there are about 15 hotels within walking distance, and all of them has Sauna & KTV.

2. Transportation: There are no train station. But buses from HK, SZ and GZ stops just front of Major Hotels (I. E. Sheraton, Haiyatt)

3. Quality: Houjie is full of high-end clubs, Sheraton's KTV is considered as the best of southern China by a HK's magazine, and Cinese & Haiyatt also deserve an A+. I visited about 4 KTV in Houjie, and I can give the highest qualifiction to Sheraton & Cinese Hotel.

I also have been in Crown prince, New century, HuiHua, and I just think that they tried to copy Sheraton.

4. Price: In cinese hotel KTV for example, a small room Charge is about RMB 600 (depend on what you ordered) and the girls 200/500/1000. So the price is similar to those clubs in Chanping.

Hotel room in Sheraton was about RMB 600, Haiyatt & Cinese 460. They are 5 star hotels.

6. Reliability: When I go to China, usually I only drink beers, because the whiskies in KTV are fake. I think Houjie is one of few place in China where you can drink a genuine whiskey.

If the price is what you looking for, Is think the right place is Zhuhai, there are no "catacomb" but a lot of girls sitting in many of beer houses located in the pedestrian street and many mamasans in the same street. The quality is much better than Catacomb, and the prece is reasonable. RMB 300.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.To Creaction's comment about Houjie. I've been to Houjie, and I do admit that you have some validity to what you say. Yes I do agree that the KTV's and Suanas are probably top notch due to all of those Rich Taiwanese Businessmen who are usually the top suckers to fork up major dollars for women.

But I think it's a different style than Changping. I think many people like Changping because you get to pick the girl and bring htem back for a quick or long fix. When you go to KTV you end up spending the whole night drinking and you pay for huge bills in the very end that could range from 1200 to 2300 RMB just for the night. Sometimes you are too tired and drunk to even want to do the deed. It's cumbersome to go to KTV when you have to go through the whole night drinking and singing just to get the girl in the sack at the very end.

Changping offers people selection and affordability. If people are in this hobby for getting different varieties of girls in the sack, for the limited time that is alotted, changping is a great place. The whole city it seems thrives on the sex industry. It's not as intimidating as Houjie, where you feel this added pressure to have to spend those 650-750 in saunas and thousands on KTV.

Zhu hai is a complete different experience. Those streetwalkers, that surround you at night, is a pretty scary and intimidating sight. You are literally surrounded by 20-30 different girls all asking you to pick them pick them. It feels disorderly, and during the summers, these girls are just plain sweaty and nasty.

But I do agree with you, in terms of quality houjie has one of the BEST selection of women. But I'm not that into singing or drinking. And in suanas it's only an occasional thing. Having them lick you from head to toe all the time could get rather boring. Especially when all the girls are trained to do the same routine every other day in their mandatory practice classes.

Fast Eddie 48
11-17-06, 08:59
Is CP on the downslide? IMHO, the selection/quality of the girls near the Yalan Hotel and behind the Hui Mei Hotel is declining. Also, I find that the number of places open are fewer than before.

On the night I was there this week, I only did one girl/one pop. I usually take names and numbers from the mamas for later, but there was just not that much out there that I wanted to do. Having said that, there were a pair of twins (mama's representation) that I wanted, but one was gone by the time I made a decision. Happens often to me since I love the hunt and spend a lot of time going from one place to the next. I had asked the mama to confirm that I could switch off the twins without changing condoms. The mama called the next evening to let me know they were available, but I was already on my way to GZ.

The girl I did gave fantastic BBBJ, but was so tight I could hardly manage to get inside. She cringed with pain (authentic) when I stuck it in even though she tried to pretend it was OK. I settled for a BBBJCIM which was a letdown since she pulled away just as I popped and ran to the wastebasket to spit and hack for nearly 5 minutes. She had agreed to CIM so I was not expecting this. I wish I could find the kind of BBBJ joints that exist in Shanghai in Guangdong. Does anybody know of any?

I guess I should start to explore other alternatives in DG. I really like the take-out set-up in CP. I am not much of a KTV or sauna fan. Transporter mentioned one place about 40 minutes from CP called Chang San or something like that. Any other suggestions?

OAH


to oah

You are correct Changping actions in changping is on the decline ,there are less and less bbs the last 2 yrs and the service also ,is hard to find a girl that do ar rimming anymore you need to go to the sauna ,but I still think actions is still better than Shanghai or Guangzhou.

The town transporter talk about is Changan 40 min bus east of changping is atown with many taiwan own manufactor ,many sauna and ktv a few yr ago some with red rope 350-450 rmb with very good full services but is also on the decline ,there is a big crack down a yr ago I was there in april most sauna
are closed for remodeling ,there is a bbs alley behind the bus stations 100 rmb
quality is poor set up is like sha tsui in Shenzhen.


fast eddie 48

Devilguy
11-17-06, 21:00
To Creaction's comment about Houjie. I've been to Houjie, and I do admit that you have some validity to what you say. Yes I do agree that the KTV's and Suanas are probably top notch due to all of those Rich Taiwanese Businessmen who are usually the top suckers to fork up major dollars for women.

But I think it's a different style than Changping. I think many people like Changping because you get to pick the girl and bring htem back for a quick or long fix. When you go to KTV you end up spending the whole night drinking and you pay for huge bills in the very end that could range from 1200 to 2300 RMB just for the night. Sometimes you are too tired and drunk to even want to do the deed. It's cumbersome to go to KTV when you have to go through the whole night drinking and singing just to get the girl in the sack at the very end.

Changping offers people selection and affordability. If people are in this hobby for getting different varieties of girls in the sack, for the limited time that is alotted, changping is a great place. The whole city it seems thrives on the sex industry. It's not as intimidating as Houjie, where you feel this added pressure to have to spend those 650-750 in saunas and thousands on KTV.

Zhu hai is a complete different experience. Those streetwalkers, that surround you at night, is a pretty scary and intimidating sight. You are literally surrounded by 20-30 different girls all asking you to pick them pick them. It feels disorderly, and during the summers, these girls are just plain sweaty and nasty.

But I do agree with you, in terms of quality houjie has one of the BEST selection of women. But I'm not that into singing or drinking. And in suanas it's only an occasional thing. Having them lick you from head to toe all the time could get rather boring. Especially when all the girls are trained to do the same routine every other day in their mandatory practice classes.I agree with you "ASN Dragon"..Preferences vary according what one is looking for. From this point of view, I recognize that my report was badly focused and titled. Maybe the title Should be "Changping is not the best place in Dongguan for KTV&Sauna action"

Of course, if someone is thinking about "catacomb" (Some guys calls "Supermarket"), Changping is the only place. What I tried to say was: if you are looking action in KTV or Sauna, Houjie is the place.

Thank for your comment

SE Asia Joe
11-18-06, 05:03
Also appears to be fairly honest as I have left large sums of cash (to her) in an area she knows & she has never touched it. Seems to like my lifestyle rather than hers. I live in first class hotels when in town, eat at expensive restaurants (for them ), have a nice apartment at my factory out of town (along with a gym) & a full time driver (to run her to & from my apartment). So she does like the benefits compared to what she has at present. , My driver knows all the spots & mammas, as I have said an ex taxi driver.
Sry - not on the China Women opinion and advise thread - but I DK how to qte China51's peice from here to that page.
Anyway, I can see disaster looming! IMHO its a BIG mistake to let her know/see your actual present life style/standard.
1. its such a strong attraction to a simple Chinese gal that she's blinded = all other considerations go out the window.
2. What happens AFTER the 'affair' - you really think she can go back to her old way of living? How's she gonna find another Sugar Daddy like you? A tad cruel I say
3. You're letting her know too much about your work/job etc. When the time comes for a parting - you're going to have your hands full. Chinese girls - no all girls - knows that a guy's job is our second Achiles' heel - the first being the family at home.
4. Drivers - oh drivers - open your eyes my friend - these guys will go with whoever bids highest - and even so, will regularly betray their benefactor anytime they know that they can get away with it/not be found out. Yeah- trust these guys - with you being away for 4 weeks at a stretch? and what makes you think that your gal ain't gonna scheme WITH your driver?
My opinion (advise?) - live THEIR standard and let them know as little as possible about your own personal/job life - will save you mucho problems in the future
SE Asia Joe.

Ace Gallant
11-18-06, 06:27
Sorry, it took me so long to get this last trip report on the board as I was stuck with lots of stuff consider that I haven't been home in USA for a long time.

Ok, on the last evening of CP last Sunday, I met up with reader123 and his friend headed to the same KTV Tao Yuan. We were introduced to a few members of the other forum (S a m m y b oy.com) by Reader123's friend.

This time we were there a little earlier (6:30pm) The amount of girls is just as many, nothing special. Somehow I had found that I still prefer the old Amazon where girls are spaced out. Having squeezed though the crowded floor (perhaps the real reason is for you to squeeze and not escape) with all the girls and mama speaking into your face is a bit too much for me. At some point I really felt that I should have some more breathing space! Oxygen seems to be thin in there! Again perhaps that's another reason! If your brain does not get enough oxygen you cannot think straight and just pick any ugly girl or girls!

Having escort a few newbies from the other forum, I managed to pick 2 sweetie and headed back to the room.

Overall it was not such a good experience. I only like the rooms, the new KJ who play along. One of them is really sweet! Will work on getting her to my bed in my next trip! Manager drank only water with the excuse that she has bad throat problems!

There was quite a bunch of guys from the other forum. I remembered counted 12 in total. The bill came up to be 4800 + 400 (2 X 200) tips for 2 KJ + 200 tips for Manager total of 5400 which came up to be 500 each. Of course each one of us took care of the tips for our own girls.

We drank total of 8 bottles of Red wine (buy 3 get one free) so pay 6 get 8
12 bottles of beers.

As I had a early morning flight in HKIA to catch, I have to leave CP early so I went back to hotel, called my mama to send me one of my favorite girl for a quick download before system shutdown.

It was a great time in CP, declined in girls in CP? Nah.. still a lot to go around!

AG

Moody
11-18-06, 10:42
Yes I do agree that the KTV's and Suanas are probably top notch due to all of those Rich Taiwanese Businessmen who are usually the top suckers to fork up major dollars for women.


I don't know where you get this idea that Taiwanese are big spenders... In Guangdong, Taiwanese have the reputation for being the cheapest guys in all of China. Asians with reputations for being big spenders are Japanese, Koreans, Singaporeans, overseas Chinese. The vast majority of people who go to high end KTVs are.... you guessed it, native Chinese. Don't make the same mistake as Midea on the Beijing thread believing that every single manager/admin in China makes 2000RMB a month and not a single fen more. Believe me, a lot of them make a hella lot more....

Moody
11-18-06, 10:49
Maybe the title Should be "Changping is not the best place in Dongguan for KTV&Sauna action"



A lot depends on what you look to get from KTV. Places in Houjie like Sheraton, Cinese, Jia Hua, will all have better looking girls. Places like Sheraton will also typically have better furnishings. I'm not bragging, just statement of fact, but I've probably been to the Sheraton and Cinese combined over 100 times over the last 3-4 years. That said, I usually have more fun at places in CP. Girls in CP are friendlier, more willing to drink, and more fun overall. Lately, if given a choice, I would go to CP for both KTV and sauna over Houjie.

Devilguy
11-18-06, 14:40
I don't know where you get this idea that Taiwanese are big spenders... In Guangdong, Taiwanese have the reputation for being the cheapest guys in all of China. Asians with reputations for being big spenders are Japanese, Koreans, Singaporeans, overseas Chinese. The vast majority of people who go to high end KTVs are. You guessed it, native Chinese. Don't make the same mistake as Midea on the Beijing thread believing that every single manager/admin in China makes 2000RMB a month and not a single fen more. Believe me, a lot of them make a hella lot more.From my point of view. Chinese, Japanese &Koreans are all of them big spenders. Because they are in China. (not matter if they are from home country or living aboard)

Their nightlife culture (I mean adult male) is around KTV more than Pub, beer house or nightclubs. So when they visit China, they continue with their preference (KTV), By the way, West countries have Incall/outcall.

But why they are big spenders in China? In Japan, singapore, Taiwan, Korea etc. KTV is expensive. You need at least US$ 1, 000 to go there, drink, have female companion, and have fun. If you want to bring the girl with you. You need another extra US$ 300 400 (Only if the girl agree to go with you). In Japan, it is usual, that a customer go regularly to a Karaoke club, just to try to get out a girl. Someday. Spending a lot of money in Club

But in China. You need maybe RMB 1, 000 for the club + RMB 1, 000 for the girl (nightlong), so it means US$ 250. Not a big money compared with the amount they need to have same fun in their country.

So in fact, they are not big spenders. They Only seems to be. Because they are in China.

Pointpanic
11-18-06, 23:33
My customer who lives in Dongguan mentioned the Rose Garden KTV. I have never seen it mentioned. He said he loved the new Jia Yi and the huge "flower street".

Babaluba
11-19-06, 09:07
Hi, I was recently in HouJie and contributing some experiences.

I went to the Sheraton wanting to try the sauna service located in floor B1. Unfortunately rooms were all occupied as it was prime time at 9 pm weekend and the english speaking guy there told me to either wait for 30 minuntes or come to see Cinese (where he has a gf). Unwilling to wait I came along to the Cinese hotel as I heard good things in here as well. Its only a 10 minutes cab drive.

Sauna is in the 7th floor, prices are 200 for the room plus (depending on the category of the girls) 500,700 or 900. I got a line up of 7 - 700 as all model type 900 were busy. Settled for a total of 900 and received good service for 90 minutes from a Hunan beauty, 19 years old. BBBJ, fire and ice, cat bath, fs etc. Seemed a little mechanical, but well they have their routine.

I found the 700 girls were very pretty and next time I try a 900. However the manager told me you should book the model type 1-2 hours in advance, otherwise it might be difficult to get one.

The establishment is quite new and very clean - decent size, just as I like it.

Prices in the sheraton apparently are now 300 for the room + 900,1100 for the girl. Seems a bit steep and I am not sure whther thats the correct price.

Have a good one!

Babaluba

Ace Gallant
11-19-06, 18:47
From my point of view. Chinese, Japanese &Koreans are all of them big spenders. Because they are in China. (not matter if they are from home country or living aboard)

Their nightlife culture (I mean adult male) is around KTV more than Pub, beer house or nightclubs. So when they visit China, they continue with their preference (KTV), By the way, West countries have Incall/outcall.

But why they are big spenders in China? In Japan, singapore, Taiwan, Korea etc. KTV is expensive. You need at least US$ 1, 000 to go there, drink, have female companion, and have fun. If you want to bring the girl with you. You need another extra US$ 300 400 (Only if the girl agree to go with you). In Japan, it is usual, that a customer go regularly to a Karaoke club, just to try to get out a girl. Someday. Spending a lot of money in Club

But in China. You need maybe RMB 1, 000 for the club + RMB 1, 000 for the girl (nightlong), so it means US$ 250. Not a big money compared with the amount they need to have same fun in their country.

So in fact, they are not big spenders. They Only seems to be. Because they are in China.

You want to hear from the girls point of view? I always pretended that I do not understand their native dialect and listern into what they say or sometimes I just ask the girls, I had brought back, directly this questions.

Their views:

Hong Kong guys, There are both cheap and stupid guys. The cheap Hong Kong guys are those who ended up in the main dance hall of the KTVs or the early "birds" of the BBS.

Taiwanese are far most the cheapest guys.

Foreign Chinese: They are the smart guys who pay as little as possible but want to get the most out of it. However if they "capture" their hearts or fully satisfied them, they do not mind giving a big tip!

Japanese: The big suckers (as compare to the big spenders) It is easy for the girls to get easy money out of them especially when they are drunk. They may bring them back but ended up sleep though without even touching them. Or if they did them, they will cum quick but still pay full price for LT but ask them to leave after one pop.

Koreans: Another big spender but most prefer GFE girls. They prefer more on spending the night with the girls rather than doing them. They did say also that some Koreans who works in China are slightly different. How much different? They did say?

Singaporean / Malaysians : They are usually the not so adventurous type, they do not mind paying but once if they felt that they had been scam, they will never return.

POV: Everyone may have the potential of been big spenders, as long as they are drunk!

AG

Moody
11-19-06, 20:13
...So in fact, they are not big spenders. They Only seems to be. Because they are in China.

You very well may be right. The fact of the matter is though, that many Chinese consider them to be big spenders, even though they might in fact, be spending less than they normally would in their home countries. BTW, wouldn't spending $1000 or more (typically $3000+ for 4 guys) on an evening of drinking be considered big spending?? I know a lot of guys here in the US who wouldn't even dream of doing such a thing.....

Moody
11-19-06, 20:20
Koreans: Another big spender but most prefer GFE girls. They prefer more on spending the night with the girls rather than doing them. They did say also that some Koreans who works in China are slightly different. How much different? They did say?

AG

Man, I know some Koreans... and you are 100% right about that!!! As for the Koreans working in China, the girls say they're all "paio ke." ;) The Koreans who come for only a short time all stick to one or two girls. They also buy them gifts, take them out during the daytime, and give them extra money. Contrast that to the ones who work in China. Those guys never tip extra, never buy gifts, and send them home after ST. AG knows what guys I'm talking about.... ;)

Oh yeah, a lot of the girls also seem to think that Korean guys are "bian tai."

Ace Gallant
11-20-06, 06:00
Man, I know some Koreans... and you are 100% right about that!!! As for the Koreans working in China, the girls say they're all "paio ke." ;) The Koreans who come for only a short time all stick to one or two girls. They also buy them gifts, take them out during the daytime, and give them extra money. Contrast that to the ones who work in China. Those guys never tip extra, never buy gifts, and send them home after ST. AG knows what guys I'm talking about.... ;)

Oh yeah, a lot of the girls also seem to think that Korean guys are "bian tai."

Let this be the rule for mongers from the board. Never over pay them or over tips them. It not only spoilt the market but also invite unnecessary gossips behind your back that you are a “Big Sucker!” I am sure nobody likes to be called a sucker!

Moody, yes, we are talking about the same guy we both know. However I am only referring to those Non-localized Foreigners that do not RTFF or are just plain show-offs.

Here is a portion which I like to add though; there are another type of mongers who just buy little gifts or give a little tips to the girls they like; this type of mongers are usually working on getting them as freebies, which I do admit it a tactic that works! This little gifts or tip can be as cheap as 100RMB, it never fails to get to sweet smile from the girls. I dare to admit that I am “guilty” of this act myself. But as I said many time before: “There are no true Freebies in China, it is you pay them now or you pay them later, the difference is how much are you paying?”

Enjoy!
AG

Oh by the way Moody: its: "Piao Ke"

Transporter
11-20-06, 08:52
I guess I should start to explore other alternatives in DG. I really like the take-out set-up in CP. I am not much of a KTV or sauna fan. Transporter mentioned one place about 40 minutes from CP called Chang San or something like that. Any other suggestions?

OAH


Chang Jiang

I'll try and do a report later...right now I am just so beat.

Oh yeah and Chang An is a great place also, and even closer only 20 minutes away.

Blacklisted
11-20-06, 09:01
Oh yeah, a lot of the girls also seem to think that Korean guys are "bian tai."


No wonder I seem to have a few Korean friends lately!

Feel sorry for those who are not 'bian tai', although thankfully, they are few, which means AG can always ask the mama to bring them to me...

Whoo hoo hoo hooo ha ha h ahaaaaaa!!!!!

:)

Asn Dragon
11-20-06, 20:27
Dear Fellow Bros,

My friend came into a bit of a difficult predicament. Well to be honest, he put himself in this current twisted situation. My friend ended up heal over heals for this one BBS girl in Changping. She claims that she has only been working there from a factory for no more than 2 weeks. She claims that she doesn't like doing what she's doing, but only doing it for a yougner sister to go to college, and helping her parents out of their current rice planting job.

But basically, she has the whole package, tight body, only 18 years of age. She's got a size C rack, with slender waist and killer ass and legs. She seems genuine enough that my friend wanted to have her "kept"

My friend took her to places, like shenzhen, some weird scenic pond in Dongguan, basically tried to romance her. He even forked up money to her up front for her to stop working at the BBS, a total amount of 2000 RMB i think. When it came to the big question of whether or not she wanted to be kept, she rejected my friend. Even when my friend was willing to give her a sizeable amount of money per month she had rejected the offer. She appeared sincere in her actions, not wanting to appear like a golddigger. I saw her briefly, when they were eating a the Kaiyinge restaurant the other day.

Her response to not wanting to be kept was the following:

1. he's based out in North America (Even though i told him never to tell a girl u live too far)
2. She thinks he's too well off, and questions why anyone would want a BBS girl
3. She feels she's embarassed that he knows she's been stuffed by so many guys. (but 2 weeks isn't that long)

In addition, she had gone out to a 2 day trip to Shenzhen with my friend, and at the end of their departing, he had fofered to pay her 1600 RMB for the two days spent with him and she refused to accept the money

My friend needs advice, cause i've given him all the advice I could give. He's just bothered as to why she doeesn't want to be kept, since she wouldn't have to be doing what she's doing now. In addition, he wanted to know if she's sincere or not, what girl doesn't wnat money? I helped him call her mommie recently, and her mommie said that she's feeling sick and she hasn't been working. So he still can't get over her. From all of the bros on this board i'm askin' for your widsom and advice and or analysis, what's the advice you can all give?

Sinnatic
11-21-06, 01:10
I guess your friend is falling in love with someone he shouldn't have. If the girl isn't after your money, she is either in love or she is looking for something more long term. Honestly, 2000 RMB + 1600 RMB is not going to help her much. If she has such a nice package, I am sure she can get that in one day working in HK, or a few weeks in the KTV.

I have similar experience of falling in love with a girl I shouldn't have. It is hard to let go, but then your friend needs to plan an exit strategy in case things turn ugly. Quite frankly, there is no way he will marry this girl. So just tell him to have the fun for now and when things start to change (either a new girl shows up or she appears to be not as enthusiastic), leave.


Dear Fellow Bros,

My friend came into a bit of a difficult predicament. Well to be honest, he put himself in this current twisted situation. My friend ended up heal over heals for this one BBS girl in Changping. She claims that she has only been working there from a factory for no more than 2 weeks. She claims that she doesn't like doing what she's doing, but only doing it for a yougner sister to go to college, and helping her parents out of their current rice planting job.

But basically, she has the whole package, tight body, only 18 years of age. She's got a size C rack, with slender waist and killer ass and legs. She seems genuine enough that my friend wanted to have her "kept"

My friend took her to places, like shenzhen, some weird scenic pond in Dongguan, basically tried to romance her. He even forked up money to her up front for her to stop working at the BBS, a total amount of 2000 RMB i think. When it came to the big question of whether or not she wanted to be kept, she rejected my friend. Even when my friend was willing to give her a sizeable amount of money per month she had rejected the offer. She appeared sincere in her actions, not wanting to appear like a golddigger. I saw her briefly, when they were eating a the Kaiyinge restaurant the other day.

Her response to not wanting to be kept was the following:

1. he's based out in North America (Even though i told him never to tell a girl u live too far)
2. She thinks he's too well off, and questions why anyone would want a BBS girl
3. She feels she's embarassed that he knows she's been stuffed by so many guys. (but 2 weeks isn't that long)

In addition, she had gone out to a 2 day trip to Shenzhen with my friend, and at the end of their departing, he had fofered to pay her 1600 RMB for the two days spent with him and she refused to accept the money

My friend needs advice, cause i've given him all the advice I could give. He's just bothered as to why she doeesn't want to be kept, since she wouldn't have to be doing what she's doing now. In addition, he wanted to know if she's sincere or not, what girl doesn't wnat money? I helped him call her mommie recently, and her mommie said that she's feeling sick and she hasn't been working. So he still can't get over her. From all of the bros on this board i'm askin' for your widsom and advice and or analysis, what's the advice you can all give?

Cebu Local
11-21-06, 01:54
Dear Fellow Bros,

My friend came into a bit of a difficult predicament. Well to be honest, he put himself in this current twisted situation. My friend ended up heal over heals for this one BBS girl in Changping. She claims that she has only been working there from a factory for no more than 2 weeks. She claims that she doesn't like doing what she's doing, but only doing it for a yougner sister to go to college, and helping her parents out of their current rice planting job.

But basically, she has the whole package, tight body, only 18 years of age. She's got a size C rack, with slender waist and killer ass and legs. She seems genuine enough that my friend wanted to have her "kept"

My friend took her to places, like shenzhen, some weird scenic pond in Dongguan, basically tried to romance her. He even forked up money to her up front for her to stop working at the BBS, a total amount of 2000 RMB i think. When it came to the big question of whether or not she wanted to be kept, she rejected my friend. Even when my friend was willing to give her a sizeable amount of money per month she had rejected the offer. She appeared sincere in her actions, not wanting to appear like a golddigger. I saw her briefly, when they were eating a the Kaiyinge restaurant the other day.

Her response to not wanting to be kept was the following:

1. he's based out in North America (Even though i told him never to tell a girl u live too far)
2. She thinks he's too well off, and questions why anyone would want a BBS girl
3. She feels she's embarassed that he knows she's been stuffed by so many guys. (but 2 weeks isn't that long)

In addition, she had gone out to a 2 day trip to Shenzhen with my friend, and at the end of their departing, he had fofered to pay her 1600 RMB for the two days spent with him and she refused to accept the money

My friend needs advice, cause i've given him all the advice I could give. He's just bothered as to why she doeesn't want to be kept, since she wouldn't have to be doing what she's doing now. In addition, he wanted to know if she's sincere or not, what girl doesn't wnat money? I helped him call her mommie recently, and her mommie said that she's feeling sick and she hasn't been working. So he still can't get over her. From all of the bros on this board i'm askin' for your widsom and advice and or analysis, what's the advice you can all give?
I have a Filipino Chinese Friend who Re-Programmed a KTV girl,So based on What he did .I will take a stab at it.First rather then make her lose face by asking her to be a mistress,He offered to educate her and support her while She studied.He put her into school while paying for an apartment and living expenses.He was banging her in exchange off course,Being busy in school got her out of the KTV crowd and into a different group of friends.Eventually She will finish,Like my friend then helped her set up a small trading business,Buying goods in China and selling them elsewhere.This built up her self confidence and self respect.He has been with her for 5 years now with her as his mistress and they are doing fine.The question is your friend willing to spend the time and money to reprogram a BBS girl

Superforce99
11-21-06, 02:00
Asn Dragon,

It should seem obvious, but this is the correct, and only, way to approach this is to follow these
simple steps:


1. Force your friend and this girl to watch the movie "Pretty Woman" several times

2. Put your friend and this girl on a boat and send it out to the middle of that "weird scenic pond in Dongguan"

3. Set it on fire and watch the charred wreckage sink to the bottom of the lake

4. Bask in the gushy feeling that you've made the world a better place.


Now aren't you glad you came to the best people in the world for advice?

J

Cebu Local
11-21-06, 02:27
Asn Dragon,

It should seem obvious, but this is the correct, and only, way to approach this:


1. Force your friend and this girl to watch the movie "Pretty Woman" several times

2. Put your friend and this girl on a boat and send it out to the middle of that "weird scenic pond in Dongguan"

3. Set it on fire and watch the charred wreckage sink to the bottom of the lake

4. Bask in the gushy feeling that you've made the world a better place.


Now aren't you glad you came to the best people in the world for advice?

JJohnny Thats a good one and a lot cheaper on the wallet.BUT Its always fun to watch reprogrammed KTV girls I Love their sense of Style.Very Entertaining to see them trying to be fashionable.I recently saw one in boots,leotards,racing jacket,golf cap in a GOLF CLUB SOCIAL.She was trying for a sporty look

Ace Gallant
11-21-06, 02:47
Dear Fellow Bros,

My friend came into a bit of a difficult predicament. Well to be honest, he put himself in this current twisted situation. My friend ended up heal over heals for this one BBS girl in Changping. She claims that she has only been working there from a factory for no more than 2 weeks. She claims that she doesn't like doing what she's doing, but only doing it for a yougner sister to go to college, and helping her parents out of their current rice planting job.

But basically, she has the whole package, tight body, only 18 years of age. She's got a size C rack, with slender waist and killer ass and legs. She seems genuine enough that my friend wanted to have her "kept"

My friend took her to places, like shenzhen, some weird scenic pond in Dongguan, basically tried to romance her. He even forked up money to her up front for her to stop working at the BBS, a total amount of 2000 RMB i think. When it came to the big question of whether or not she wanted to be kept, she rejected my friend. Even when my friend was willing to give her a sizeable amount of money per month she had rejected the offer. She appeared sincere in her actions, not wanting to appear like a golddigger. I saw her briefly, when they were eating a the Kaiyinge restaurant the other day.

Her response to not wanting to be kept was the following:

1. he's based out in North America (Even though i told him never to tell a girl u live too far)
2. She thinks he's too well off, and questions why anyone would want a BBS girl
3. She feels she's embarassed that he knows she's been stuffed by so many guys. (but 2 weeks isn't that long)

In addition, she had gone out to a 2 day trip to Shenzhen with my friend, and at the end of their departing, he had fofered to pay her 1600 RMB for the two days spent with him and she refused to accept the money

My friend needs advice, cause i've given him all the advice I could give. He's just bothered as to why she doeesn't want to be kept, since she wouldn't have to be doing what she's doing now. In addition, he wanted to know if she's sincere or not, what girl doesn't wnat money? I helped him call her mommie recently, and her mommie said that she's feeling sick and she hasn't been working. So he still can't get over her. From all of the bros on this board i'm askin' for your widsom and advice and or analysis, what's the advice you can all give?

If you have time; go over to Shanghai threads or Reports of Distinction and read my rules of getting and keeping freebies.

In CP I had heard the same story many time before and it has come to a point where I could tell them their story before they even open their mouth. I am not saying that all of them are BS but I do believe that 75% of these girls are just sharing the same story from the same source.

In one of my recent post, I did also mentioned; Even if you keep a regular GF or "mistress" in CP but you do not live in CP, so what? They are likely to end up in BBS or KTV while you are not around. Yesterday while at the BBS in CP my regular mama came to me and pointed to me 3 of this "Private Dishes" (Some suckers' Mistress) who are temporary working in her BBS while their Suger daddy are away.

So do yourself a favor... Sorry I meant do your friend a favor, advice him, give it up or just go all the way out and bring her back home to USA.

This is what I feel: A lots of guys started out with the thoughts that it is easy to keep a GF or Mistress in CP by spending a little money here and there. But after a few weeks or months, they sinks deeper into the investment, became impatience having the fact that the girl is smarter than he thought and started thinking of getting back what is worth. That is the situation your friend is in right now.

My Advice: Bail out before he sinks a further!

Freebies, Regular GF or Mistress: Unless you have time and of course the skills to play with them. You cannot out smart them. Money alone does not matter here. I had not mention more than enough times on this board: "In the world of Mongering, Money and looks alone does not count, in fact sometimes it works the opposite".

Good luck to your friend and I hope he does not sinks further!
AG

Loso69
11-21-06, 06:47
What's the verdict on laowai?




Hong Kong guys, There are both cheap and stupid guys. The cheap Hong Kong guys are those who ended up in the main dance hall of the KTVs or the early "birds" of the BBS.

Taiwanese are far most the cheapest guys.

Foreign Chinese: They are the smart guys who pay as little as possible but want to get the most out of it. However if they "capture" their hearts or fully satisfied them, they do not mind giving a big tip!

Japanese: The big suckers (as compare to the big spenders) It is easy for the girls to get easy money out of them especially when they are drunk. They may bring them back but ended up sleep though without even touching them. Or if they did them, they will cum quick but still pay full price for LT but ask them to leave after one pop.

Koreans: Another big spender but most prefer GFE girls. They prefer more on spending the night with the girls rather than doing them. They did say also that some Koreans who works in China are slightly different. How much different? They did say?

Singaporean / Malaysians : They are usually the not so adventurous type, they do not mind paying but once if they felt that they had been scam, they will never return.

POV: Everyone may have the potential of been big spenders, as long as they are drunk!

AG

Old Mean Dog
11-21-06, 07:04
Dear Fellow Bros,

My friend came into a bit of a difficult predicament. Well to be honest, he put himself in this current twisted situation. My friend ended up heal over heals for this one BBS girl in Changping. She claims that she has only been working there from a factory for no more than 2 weeks. She claims that she doesn't like doing what she's doing, but only doing it for a yougner sister to go to college, and helping her parents out of their current rice planting job.

But basically, she has the whole package, tight body, only 18 years of age. She's got a size C rack, with slender waist and killer ass and legs. She seems genuine enough that my friend wanted to have her "kept"

My friend took her to places, like shenzhen, some weird scenic pond in Dongguan, basically tried to romance her. He even forked up money to her up front for her to stop working at the BBS, a total amount of 2000 RMB i think. When it came to the big question of whether or not she wanted to be kept, she rejected my friend. Even when my friend was willing to give her a sizeable amount of money per month she had rejected the offer. She appeared sincere in her actions, not wanting to appear like a golddigger. I saw her briefly, when they were eating a the Kaiyinge restaurant the other day.

Her response to not wanting to be kept was the following:

1. He's based out in North America (Even though I told him never to tell a girl u live too far)
2. She thinks he's too well off, and questions why anyone would want a BBS girl
3. She feels she's embarassed that he knows she's been stuffed by so many guys. (but 2 weeks isn't that long)

In addition, she had gone out to a 2 day trip to Shenzhen with my friend, and at the end of their departing, he had fofered to pay her 1600 RMB for the two days spent with him and she refused to accept the money

My friend needs advice, cause i've given him all the advice I could give. He's just bothered as to why she doeesn't want to be kept, since she wouldn't have to be doing what she's doing now. In addition, he wanted to know if she's sincere or not, what girl doesn't wnat money? I helped him call her mommie recently, and her mommie said that she's feeling sick and she hasn't been working. So he still can't get over her. From all of the bros on this board i'm askin' for your widsom and advice and or analysis, what's the advice you can all give?Funny you should mention this, my buddy brought one back from CP and is in the process of re-programming her. She is fresh and not so corrupted by the life yet so, I think this one has possibility. Though it seems like an expensive experiment that could lead to heartbreak for him, you never really know until you try.

SZE

TheMan134
11-22-06, 04:10
Dear Fellow Bros,

My friend came into a bit of a difficult predicament. Well to be honest, he put himself in this current twisted situation. My friend ended up heal over heals for this one BBS girl in Changping. She claims that she has only been working there from a factory for no more than 2 weeks. She claims that she doesn't like doing what she's doing, but only doing it for a yougner sister to go to college, and helping her parents out of their current rice planting job.

But basically, she has the whole package, tight body, only 18 years of age. She's got a size C rack, with slender waist and killer ass and legs. She seems genuine enough that my friend wanted to have her "kept"

My friend took her to places, like shenzhen, some weird scenic pond in Dongguan, basically tried to romance her. He even forked up money to her up front for her to stop working at the BBS, a total amount of 2000 RMB i think. When it came to the big question of whether or not she wanted to be kept, she rejected my friend. Even when my friend was willing to give her a sizeable amount of money per month she had rejected the offer. She appeared sincere in her actions, not wanting to appear like a golddigger. I saw her briefly, when they were eating a the Kaiyinge restaurant the other day.

Her response to not wanting to be kept was the following:

1. he's based out in North America (Even though i told him never to tell a girl u live too far)
2. She thinks he's too well off, and questions why anyone would want a BBS girl
3. She feels she's embarassed that he knows she's been stuffed by so many guys. (but 2 weeks isn't that long)

In addition, she had gone out to a 2 day trip to Shenzhen with my friend, and at the end of their departing, he had fofered to pay her 1600 RMB for the two days spent with him and she refused to accept the money

My friend needs advice, cause i've given him all the advice I could give. He's just bothered as to why she doeesn't want to be kept, since she wouldn't have to be doing what she's doing now. In addition, he wanted to know if she's sincere or not, what girl doesn't wnat money? I helped him call her mommie recently, and her mommie said that she's feeling sick and she hasn't been working. So he still can't get over her. From all of the bros on this board i'm askin' for your widsom and advice and or analysis, what's the advice you can all give?

Tell your friend it may not be worth this. This is from personal experince. I fell in love with a BBS girl I meet last year. spend only 3 nights with her. and she got my heart. I gave her 5000RMB after the first 3 days. I saw her again last month when I went back to Shenzhen for vacation I am also in the US. I spent a week with her this time and gave her 50000RMB. tell your friend I do not miss the money but the emotional stress alone can break a man. I have a wife and kids in US. so make sure he knows what he is in for. the feeling of wanting to call her on the phone. worried is she seeing other men. and the idea going back to china ASAP to be with her. I wish I knew this last year and stop it then but now I am in too deep with her and can not.

Ace Gallant
11-22-06, 10:01
Night one:

Rolled into town with Member "Hoseguy"
Arrived at 10:30pm
Drop off luggage and off to Yalan area to meet Reader123 and Loso69 only to find them girls in both side of them in the BBS across Yalan Hotel.
After 10 mins of browsing, took Hoseguy to meet my regular BBS with mummy "Baby". The BBS was empty. Scouted around a few other BBSs but the leftovers are just too bad for us to swallow. We headed back to the first bbs. Each one of them took out one while I made appointment with a pair of real twins. (Photos attached).
Headed back to Hotel with the guys, had dinner at the Miraton Chinese restaurant.
I called for my twins to be delivered to my room. After finishing dinner, back to my room, I found the twins standing waiting for me at the door step.
Skip details..
Both the twin are not so skilful (only started one month) but willing to learn. Had a good night of fun with them.

Night Two:
Went to scout around Yalan again. After a brief visit at “Baby” BBS, both Hoseguy and I book a girl each. While Reader123 as usual, could not decide. We headed to Swan Lake hotel on BBS on the 3rd floor. There were enough girls to go around and so we went from room to room. In room number 2 we saw a pretty looking Xiang Jiang girl but when we returned 5 mins later after viewing 2 more rooms, she is gone.
Reader123 settled into second choice and we headed back to Miraton. I called the delivery on the girl I booked earlier. Skip details again…. The girl I booked was pretty skilful for a change. Maybe it because I tend to take younger ones but this time for a change I took a 25 years old. My regular foot massage girl text me that she is coming over after work at 11:30pm so I popped once paid her 400 and let her go.
11:34pm Foot massage girl showed up at door step. The process of Foot Massage my third foot started!

Boy, its another great trip to CP. Who is saying CP is not fun anymore?

AG

DayNight
11-22-06, 10:17
Asn Dragon
I can understand well what you write.

What one need before going into the commercial sex scene is a mental sob story repellant.

I came across some very very lovely girls too. However, I do get bored after having sex with them a few times on different occasions. Sometimes I really want to choose them, but then I see somebody new in the BBS.

There is of course usually also a larger interlectual gap there. Most girls do come from a poor background with a very limited education.

They are usually very sweet and very nice to be with, but only for a limited amount of time.

Raverboy
11-22-06, 10:46
Hoping some of you senior members can help me out here:

So I've RTFF for Zhuhai and for Dongguan. Almost end-to-end for both - still working on it :) Planning a trip late Dec. for a pre-XMas getaway. Will be a first time visitor to these parts but not my first visit to China and I speak Mandarin fairly fluently.

Problem is, I'm intrigued by too many things to arrive at a decision between the two: the concept of LHL in ZH on the one hand and the 'catacombs' in DG on the other. I am also intrigued by the sauna scene in both cities, although I would probably favour street pickups or FL pickups in the discos over the saunas, with the exception of the infamous 'red ropes'.

Then there's Amazon. I am hesitant to miss a chance at walking the gauntlet between 200-400 mei meis vying for your attention.

So. An informal poll here if I may: Which would you recommend to a first time visitor given time constraints - I would only have 2-3 days and visiting both would likely be pushing it.

Thanks in advance!

(Also posted in the ZH thread)

Bob Builder
11-22-06, 15:31
Cause most of the time they go on at people on no to overpay and ruin the market.

HK and local PRC Chinese make up the majority of mongers in China from Construction workers to Professionals so to say guys that fly to Shanghai for a KTV weekend or golf and KTV in CP spending over RMB3000 doesn't seem so cheap to me. As for being early at a BBS, it seems smarter that the hard luck stories posted here over the last 2 weeks where some guys have rolled up to CP BBS after 10pm and made do with leftovers.

Taiwanese are all about face and like to have a rep for driving a hard business bargin but my experience is they go well overboard in the generosity stakes when in comes to entertainment.

What does a BBS / KTV gal know anyway? Then again if they are getting guys to pay them RMB5000 a month, they are good at matching brains with guys' little heads.


You want to hear from the girls point of view? I always pretended that I do not understand their native dialect and listern into what they say or sometimes I just ask the girls, I had brought back, directly this questions.

Their views:

Hong Kong guys, There are both cheap and stupid guys. The cheap Hong Kong guys are those who ended up in the main dance hall of the KTVs or the early "birds" of the BBS.

Taiwanese are far most the cheapest guys.

Foreign Chinese: They are the smart guys who pay as little as possible but want to get the most out of it. However if they "capture" their hearts or fully satisfied them, they do not mind giving a big tip!

Japanese: The big suckers (as compare to the big spenders) It is easy for the girls to get easy money out of them especially when they are drunk. They may bring them back but ended up sleep though without even touching them. Or if they did them, they will cum quick but still pay full price for LT but ask them to leave after one pop.

Koreans: Another big spender but most prefer GFE girls. They prefer more on spending the night with the girls rather than doing them. They did say also that some Koreans who works in China are slightly different. How much different? They did say?

Singaporean / Malaysians : They are usually the not so adventurous type, they do not mind paying but once if they felt that they had been scam, they will never return.

POV: Everyone may have the potential of been big spenders, as long as they are drunk!

AG

Moody
11-22-06, 21:11
Hoping some of you senior members can help me out here:

So I've RTFF for Zhuhai and for Dongguan. Almost end-to-end for both - still working on it :) Planning a trip late Dec. for a pre-XMas getaway. Will be a first time visitor to these parts but not my first visit to China and I speak Mandarin fairly fluently.

Problem is, I'm intrigued by too many things to arrive at a decision between...the 'catacombs' in DG on the other.

Dude, why would you travel all the way to Guangdong China to sample the bottom of the barrel? I understand to each his own, but it seems odd to try to find the absolute worst experience a country has to offer. It would almost be like coming here to try out the worst authentic Chinese food.


I am also intrigued by the sauna scene in both cities, although I would probably favour street pickups or FL pickups in the discos over the saunas, with the exception of the infamous 'red ropes'.

There isn't as much FL pickups in discos as you might think. This isn't like Beijing with Maggie's and such places. As for street walkers, again, there isn't as much as you might think. As a matter of fact, it's actually quite uncommon to find a street walker in Dongguan. Saunas however, are mighty plentiful in Dongguan. You really can't go wrong with most saunas. Most of them have some kind of script the girls go through. I presume this is some form of "quality control" or something.


Then there's Amazon. I am hesitant to miss a chance at walking the gauntlet between 200-400 mei meis vying for your attention.

There are some guys who like this, but to be honest, it's kind of a distraction. Anyway, recent reports are saying that Amazon is dead. Go to JiaYi if you want to experience "the gauntlet."


So. An informal poll here if I may: Which would you recommend to a first time visitor given time constraints - I would only have 2-3 days and visiting both would likely be pushing it.

Thanks in advance!

(Also posted in the ZH thread)

Go to Zhuhai and post a lot of reports. Dongguan is well covered front to back and left to right. Even with JohnnyKon's valiant efforts, Zhuhai is still very much untapped.

OldAsiaHand
11-23-06, 04:58
Raverboy,

SW: There are more in Zhuhai (LHL), only a few late at night in CP, but they are hooked up with a mama on the street.

BBS: CP, hands down.

Catacombs (CP): Cheap and very dirty. Not for the faint hearted or weak stomachs.

Sauna: ZH is cheaper and more red rope joints. CP has one red rope place that I know of for 468, extra trainee +100.

Freelancers: Not that many in either place.

Amazon/JiaYi (CP): Worth a visit for the experience. Most KTV is pretty good in CP in general.

So, if you only want SW and red ropes, Zhuhai wins. If you want every option available in Guangdong in large numbers, go to CP.

Just my POV.

OAH











Hoping some of you senior members can help me out here:

So I've RTFF for Zhuhai and for Dongguan. Almost end-to-end for both - still working on it :) Planning a trip late Dec. for a pre-XMas getaway. Will be a first time visitor to these parts but not my first visit to China and I speak Mandarin fairly fluently.

Problem is, I'm intrigued by too many things to arrive at a decision between the two: the concept of LHL in ZH on the one hand and the 'catacombs' in DG on the other. I am also intrigued by the sauna scene in both cities, although I would probably favour street pickups or FL pickups in the discos over the saunas, with the exception of the infamous 'red ropes'.

Then there's Amazon. I am hesitant to miss a chance at walking the gauntlet between 200-400 mei meis vying for your attention.

So. An informal poll here if I may: Which would you recommend to a first time visitor given time constraints - I would only have 2-3 days and visiting both would likely be pushing it.

Thanks in advance!

(Also posted in the ZH thread)

Raverboy
11-23-06, 05:59
Dude, why would you travel all the way to Guangdong China to sample the bottom of the barrel? I understand to each his own, but it seems odd to try to find the absolute worst experience a country has to offer. It would almost be like coming here to try out the worst authentic Chinese food...

Actually, I'm travelling to Beijing and am turning the layover in GZ into a little sidetrip. But shh! dont tell anyone. ;) Consider it as my having an appetizer before the main course of authentic northern cuisine...


...There isn't as much FL pickups in discos as you might think... Someone posted about potential pickups (department store salesgirl types or KTV/sauna girls on their time off) hanging out at some disco at the end of LHL closer to the Macau border - can anyone confirm this?


...There are some guys who like this, but to be honest, it's kind of a distraction. Anyway, recent reports are saying that Amazon is dead. Go to JiaYi if you want to experience "the gauntlet."

I understand Jia Yi to be across the street from Amazon - is that right?


...Go to Zhuhai and post a lot of reports. Dongguan is well covered front to back and left to right. Even with JohnnyKon's valiant efforts, Zhuhai is still very much untapped.

LOL I wouldnt even dare hold a candle to JohnnyKon, but I must say that at this point I am a little more inclined towards ZH but like OAH said - tough choice!

Raverboy
11-23-06, 07:03
...
So, if you only want SW and red ropes, Zhuhai wins. If you want every option available in Guangdong in large numbers, go to CP...Damn! Given your summary, tough choice is right!

Savannah
11-23-06, 16:56
The girls on LHL are much more attractive than the bbs girls in CP. I saw some of the best looking pros i have seen in China while sitting under those umbrellas. Unfortunately, I only had time for one, but it was good. Yet, CP offers a lot more variety. As far as picking up freebies it's a matter of how you look and being in the right place at the right time. Chinese girls seem difficult to approach at first though. So, if you see one you like just be forward about it. "What's your name? What's your number? Alright, I'll call you later." Don't hang around talking to them in public.

Have fun...Savannah

Crazier
11-23-06, 23:50
The girls on LHL are much more attractive than the bbs girls in CP. I saw some of the best looking pros i have seen in China while sitting under those umbrellas. Unfortunately, I only had time for one, but it was good. Yet, CP offers a lot more variety.

I have done a combination of Zhuhai & Chang Ping over 6 trips and like both!

In Zhuhai, I spend a considerable time at the open air cafes just allowing myself to be propositioned by the SWs there.

In Chang Ping, I mix in a night or two of Karaokes with day time "shopping" at the BBS places at the Yalan Hotel area and lately, behind the Huei Mei Hotel.

Overall, if we "undress" the ladies and take off some of the horrible make up and clothes, I would say that the BBS in CP has a greater array of talent than the SWs of Zhuhai, this based on my own eyes!

As stated by JK, the sexy saunas in Zhuhai are at least half the prices of those in CP but with a lesser quality of talent and service.

For Karaokes, CP beats Zhuhai anytime even if we take in the smaller venues of CP alone without including the old Amazon and new Jiayi hotel.
The sheer volume and number of available girls in CP is hard to beat. And prices are overall lower with a higher likelihood of more than decent GFE.

Early day time recovery times spend in foot massage and body massage places (non sexy) in both Zhuhai and CP allows me to conclude that for these, CP wins hand down. Better variety of younger cute girls and quality of massage plus better facilities.

So, if you have time, my own suggestion is to build in a combination of the two venues in the ration Zhuhai 20% CP 80%.

Again, the above suggestion is a personal opinion and not necessarily the same as other mongers.

Avarice
11-24-06, 03:39
Can someone out there tell me how far is CP from Zhuhai? I will be going to Zhuhai in Dec. and would like to check out CP if time permits, what is the best way to go from Zhuhai to CP? Any suggestions on hotels in CP? Is there a direct flight from Shanghai to CP? Thanks for your help.

Ace Gallant
11-24-06, 06:48
Can someone out there tell me how far is CP from Zhuhai? I will be going to Zhuhai in Dec. and would like to check out CP if time permits, what is the best way to go from Zhuhai to CP? Any suggestions on hotels in CP? Is there a direct flight from Shanghai to CP? Thanks for your help.


CP to Zhuhai is:

500RMB / 2 hours by private car

130RMB / 2.5 hours by Chartered Van

80RMB / 4 hours by Public Bus

On hotels: RTFF lots of good info on the DG thread. Just do a search for CP Hotel.

Enjoy
AG

Devilguy
11-24-06, 14:10
CP to Zhuhai is:

500RMB / 2 hours by private car

130RMB / 2.5 hours by Chartered Van

80RMB / 4 hours by Public Bus

On hotels: RTFF lots of good info on the DG thread. Just do a search for CP Hotel.

Enjoy,

AGPublic bus 80RMB/4 Hour?

If you take a bus in CP Bus station (Just front of CP Railway station), the fare is RMB 65 and it takes about 2 hours (it stops in couple of place in Dongguan and in Zhongsan), and it must be considered an Inter-urban bus..like grayhound in the States, not a public bus.

When you take a bus in CP to Zhuhai, check its last stop is Gongbei, just next to the Custom (Macau border) and close to the Zhuhai Action and Guangdong Regency Hotel within walking distance.

Devilguy
11-24-06, 14:20
Can someone out there tell me how far is CP from Zhuhai? I will be going to Zhuhai in Dec. and would like to check out CP if time permits, what is the best way to go from Zhuhai to CP? Any suggestions on hotels in CP? Is there a direct flight from Shanghai to CP? Thanks for your help.Take the bus to Dongguan from Bus station just next to Gongbei (just go to the ticket windows and say Dongguan Changping, the fare is Rm 65 and some guy/girl will bringg you to the bus)...When there are several passangers going to CP, the bus stops in the CP Bus station (Next to the CP Railway station). When the bus arrives in Dongguan, its first stop is always Dongguan Bus station, after that, the driver stops as passangers demands...When the driver talk to the passangers, Just shout out "Changping"

When you get off the bus, many cars or motocycles will stop and ask you for a ride. They are no-official taxis. If you want to go to Miraton Hotel area, just say "HuiMei PingGuan" (Hui mei Hotel), In the main corner of CP (MIraton Hotel) you will see many hotels: i.e. Miraton, Hui Hua, Walter, Huimei, Lucky, New Century (ShinseKui) etc.

Devilguy
11-24-06, 14:31
Can someone out there tell me how far is CP from Zhuhai? I will be going to Zhuhai in Dec. and would like to check out CP if time permits, what is the best way to go from Zhuhai to CP? Any suggestions on hotels in CP? Is there a direct flight from Shanghai to CP? Thanks for your help.There is no direct flight from SH-CP, the best way is flying to Guangzhou then there are 2 ways to get CP (I mean Cheap way)

1.- Take the airpot bus to Dongguan (RMB 85), it stops front of BQ shopping center (In Zhong jiang), from here take a taxi to Changping (RMB 120)

2.- Take the airpot but to any bus station, then take a bus to Chanping

Hotels

- Lucky Hotel (3Star): RMB 280
- Huimei (4 Star): RMB 420
- New Century (4 Star): RMB 420, its KTV & Sauna are recommendable
- Miraton & HuiHua (5 Star): RMB 480

Ace Gallant
11-24-06, 18:02
Public bus 80RMB/4 Hour?

If you take a bus in CP Bus station (Just front of CP Railway station), the fare is RMB 65 and it takes about 2 hours (it stops in couple of place in Dongguan and in Zhongsan), and it must be considered an Inter-urban bus..like grayhound in the States, not a public bus.



Ok.. I stand corrected on the Public Bus, it was an information given by my the Hotel Bell boy. But he did sy public bus not air-con bus.

Question: Do you have to post 3 posts just to answer Avarice question?

Hui Mei, and Hui Hua are under same management and boss. They both share the same rates except in Hui Hua they have more executive rooms at a higher rates.

Miraton; public weekdays rates is 328 not 480. 480 is the rack rates (Published rate). Of course we normally stay there at a lower rate than 328 for weekdays.

Lucky Hotel is 230 , Transporter just stayed there over the last few weeks.

All of the above hotels have both Saunas and KTV except Lucky hotel.. I think they only have a Sauna. (Not sure).

If you need to fly from Shanghai, I do not recommend Guangzhou airport. The fare is the same if you fly Sh - Shenzhen. Because Guangzhou Baiyun airport is out of Guangzhou city and thus take you longer to get into CP. Shenzhen airport to CP is only 150RMB - 45 mins by taxi. The best and fastest way from GZ airport to CP is take the taxi to GZ Train station (95RMB - 30mins) and take the Train (30mins) to Dongguan Train station and take the taxi to your hotel (15rmb) - 10 mins.


AG

Lex Moon
11-25-06, 01:17
If you need to fly from Shanghai, I do not recommend Guangzhou airport. The fare is the same if you fly Sh - Shenzhen. Because Guangzhou Baiyun airport is out of Guangzhou city and thus take you longer to get into CP. Shenzhen airport to CP is only 150RMB - 45 mins by taxi.

AGThanks AG. This is a very good advice.

I always travel to GZ first.

Didn't know that SZ is more efficient & cost-effective.

Is RMB150 by meter or we have to negotiate?

Ace Gallant
11-25-06, 07:36
Thanks AG. This is a very good advice.

I always travel to GZ first.

Didn't know that SZ is more efficient & cost-effective.

Is RMB150 by meter or we have to negotiate?

It around RMB150 by meter but if you negotiate you can get it down to around 120.

AG

Crazier
11-25-06, 17:50
[QUOTE=Devilguy]Take the bus to Dongguan from Bus station just next to Gongbei (just go to the ticket windows and say Dongguan Changping, the fare is Rm 65 and some guy/girl will bringg you to the bus)...When there are several passangers going to CP, the bus stops in the CP Bus station (Next to the CP Railway station). When the bus arrives in Dongguan, its first stop is always Dongguan Bus station, after that, the driver stops as passangers demands...When the driver talk to the passangers, Just shout out "Changping"

QUOTE]

This is interesting news and has been written about in other forums too.

Have you actually done this route or are you quoting someone else? The information may well be inaccurate? I do hope you are right because the one occasion when I went to the Gongbei bus station, they told me that there is no such bus to Chang Ping.

As far as I know, there is not bus from Gongbei Station to Chang Ping and that is why quite a few of us go to Xiangzhou (In Zhuhai) to take the bus to Chang Ping via Dongguan. That route, I have done quite a few times. From Gongbei, there is a public bus service to Xiangzhou with the alternative of taking a taxi. The bus faire from Xiangzhou to Chang Ping is 70 yuans.

Macau CTS Cross- Border Coah Company does run a daily service between Gongbei and Chang Ping directly once a day at 5pm and back from Chang Ping at 8.45 am from the Huei Mei Hotel in Chang Ping.

This service is cheap at 68 yuan with the downside of the less than favarouble travelling times each way. I am booked on this tomorrow morning at 8.45 to Zhuhai from here.
Tel: Zhuhai 0756 8328936 Tel: Chang Ping 0769 8391 8888.

Avarice
11-26-06, 05:03
Take the bus to Dongguan from Bus station just next to Gongbei (just go to the ticket windows and say Dongguan Changping, the fare is Rm 65 and some guy/girl will bringg you to the bus)...When there are several passangers going to CP, the bus stops in the CP Bus station (Next to the CP Railway station). When the bus arrives in Dongguan, its first stop is always Dongguan Bus station, after that, the driver stops as passangers demands...When the driver talk to the passangers, Just shout out "Changping"

When you get off the bus, many cars or motocycles will stop and ask you for a ride. They are no-official taxis. If you want to go to Miraton Hotel area, just say "HuiMei PingGuan" (Hui mei Hotel), In the main corner of CP (MIraton Hotel) you will see many hotels: i.e. Miraton, Hui Hua, Walter, Huimei, Lucky, New Century (ShinseKui) etc.Thanks for the information, hopefully I will put into good use.

Avarice
11-26-06, 05:05
CP to Zhuhai is:

500RMB / 2 hours by private car

130RMB / 2.5 hours by Chartered Van

80RMB / 4 hours by Public Bus

On hotels: RTFF lots of good info on the DG thread. Just do a search for CP Hotel.

Enjoy
AGAG,

Thanks for the information.

Beijing Xiber
11-26-06, 05:11
[QUOTE=Crazier][QUOTE=Devilguy]Take the bus to Dongguan from Bus station just next to Gongbei (just go to the ticket windows and say Dongguan Changping, the fare is Rm 65 and some guy/girl will bringg you to the bus)...When there are several passangers going to CP, the bus stops in the CP Bus station (Next to the CP Railway station). When the bus arrives in Dongguan, its first stop is always Dongguan Bus station, after that, the driver stops as passangers demands...When the driver talk to the passangers, Just shout out "Changping" QUOTE]

I have done the exact reverse of Crazier's route. That is Dongguan Bus Station to Zhuhai/Gongbei. The bus pulls into the Gongbei bus station and parks there. So since it is NOT just a drop off station on the side of the road like the one when you first enter Zhuhai, I assume the bus must go back to DG like Crazier says.

BJXB

BigLauda
11-26-06, 13:47
CP to Zhuhai is:

500RMB / 2 hours by private car

130RMB / 2.5 hours by Chartered Van

80RMB / 4 hours by Public Bus

Enjoy
AG

Well, i have taken a private transport from Zhuhai to CP and CP to Zhuhai. It's only RMB450 from ZH to CP and RMB400 from CP to ZH. It's normally an MPV. If you have about 4 bros then its RMB100+ per person. Cheap n comfortable. They will pick u up from your hotel and send you to the doorstep of your destination. However you will need to book through an taiwanese agent in CP. It takes about 1 hour 45 minutes if on MPV and 1.5 hour if by car. So far, it's only two of us in the MPV. The agent does booking for ktvs and hotels in CP too. They give a better rate than if you walk in.

OldAsiaHand
11-26-06, 16:30
Fellow Mongers,

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that this thread was full of queries just before the last Canton Fair. Some even thought that AG and I were travel agents for the Miraton Hotel. With few exceptions e.g. DownUnder, I have not seen any subsequent reports posted from most of these guys. Next time round, I will be reluctant to help.

Just my POV.

OAH

Crazier
11-26-06, 17:35
I have done the exact reverse of Crazier's route. That is Dongguan Bus Station to Zhuhai/Gongbei. The bus pulls into the Gongbei bus station and parks there. So since it is NOT just a drop off station on the side of the road like the one when you first enter Zhuhai, I assume the bus must go back to DG like Crazier says.

BJXB

Today, I took the CTS -Macau company direct bus from Chang Ping's Huei Mei Hotel at 8.45 am and arrived within 130 minutes in Zhuhai at the underground area of the Gongbei - Immigration point shopping centre.

It was good but not everyone is prepared to kick his girl out of bed and jump on this early once a day service. The reverse journey is at 5pm from Gongbei to Chang Ping.

All for 68 yuans and this saves almost an hour from the Xiangzhou - Dongguan - Chang Ping normal route.

Just to make sure I am not out of date, I went to the Gongbei bus station and checked it out again to see if the bus service there will take you to Chang Ping.

At the ticketing desk, they told me NO. I then went out to the parked bus with the Dongguan sign next to it and asked the driver and he said NO to me too. Perhaps, JohnnyKon knows better than me and can tell me how to get the driver to go to Chang Ping from there!

JK.,

I was trying to connect with you today before I left but your phone was off so I went and did the Jinyu Hotel sauna with the 2 hours I had at hand. Selected the same small girl No 102 again and she allowed me to film the "red rope" sequences that I missed the last time so it was worth the "distraction".

I had saved the "load" for my massage "darling" in Chang Ping but she called after work ad 3am to plead not to visit as she was TIRED out since it was a busy Sat for them in Chang Ping. Well. at least No 102 had her share of my "power-release!"

C.

Crazier
11-26-06, 17:38
Well, i have taken a private transport from Zhuhai to CP and CP to Zhuhai. It's only RMB450 from ZH to CP and RMB400 from CP to ZH. It's normally an MPV.


BL.,

Care to share your contact for the MPV by private PM to me?

The tour desk at the Min Ann charged me 650 rmb for the same MPV and this trip, on my way out, I called the driver-provder directly and he still insisted on the 600 rmb.

Because we are usually only 2 or 3 people, saving that 150 to 200 rmb is worth the effort and here is my thanks in advance.

C.

Wamlies
11-26-06, 21:47
Fellow Mongers,

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that this thread was full of queries just before the last Canton Fair. Some even thought that AG and I were travel agents for the Miraton Hotel. With few exceptions e.g. DownUnder, I have not seen any subsequent reports posted from most of these guys. Next time round, I will be reluctant to help.

Just my POV.

OAHI am a newbie who originally come to this site because I was attending the canton fair, The help I got just reading the threads shaped the whole way I planned my trip, I'm now a fully paid member and already got my next trip planned in January and will add reports if I feel my experience contributes well.

Ace Gallant
11-26-06, 23:08
Fellow Mongers,

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that this thread was full of queries just before the last Canton Fair. Some even thought that AG and I were travel agents for the Miraton Hotel. With few exceptions e.g. DownUnder, I have not seen any subsequent reports posted from most of these guys. Next time round, I will be reluctant to help.

Just my POV.

OAH

I fully agree with OAH and I annouced that; as much as I like to help, I will not help those members who are not senior members or who had contributed nothing to the ISG. That will includes members who had not contributed nothing informational on mongering but still have the senior membership because they had posted enough numbers of flaming posts and had 6 months after joining ISG.

Sorry; the requests are overwhelming.

AG

Rising Son
11-27-06, 05:31
Well, this has been terrifically helpful to me. It's essentially helped me create my itinerary in March. I'll fly from BKK to Shenzen and take a taxi to the Miraton, stay 10-12 days, and take the private car or whatever it is to Zhuhai.

If anyone else wants to go from CP to Zh around March 15 or so, the ride's on me.

Thanks to all who have helped.

Rising Son

Loso69
11-27-06, 09:27
Crazier,

The bus station at the end of LHL does have buses to Dongguan (sign in English), but they do not go to Changping.

However, if you look across the street, you will spot more parked buses. This 2nd bus station does have buses to Changping (70 RMB). The bus dropped me off at an intersection on the highway, not at a bus station. I paid 15 RMB for a metered taxi to the Miraton.

Sorry to have missed you. I'm a friend of MongerX and think I've previously met you in Batam as well. I just checked back into the Miraton, after spending 4 days in Shenzhen.

Loso

Loso69
11-27-06, 09:37
During my 1st 8-day visit to CP, I didn't have the chance to experience a KTV where you walk the gauntlet between rows of girls, being grabbed left and right (like Amazon or Jia Yi).

I just came back to CP, but since I'm travelling alone, I need some buddies to go to a KTV. If anyone wants to meet up, give me a call on 13411405394.

Loso

Laowai123
11-27-06, 11:11
at AG

I feel a little bit sorry for you after your harsh words about helping somebody or not. You don't have to help somebody, it's up to you. Don't judge people on ther status here. The community here can be supported by paying the membership only and/or by posting helpful information and/or reports about own experiences.

When somebody is requesting support from you, but you don't want to give support, just don't give support. That's the first request I have.

I take the liberty to call myself "50% Supporter" as I only paid membership. After my first appearance here I wrote a report but did not post it, because I decided to keep these experiences "private" at the moment. Private between me and the girl. I have a different approach to the topic about we talk here. I request to accept this.

Yes, I got many information from your and other members posts. I try to give my contribution in kind of. Let's call them. General information or support when I can, as I decided not to post reports about experiences with girls at the moment. If this is not enough for you, please just ignore people like me and do not flame/bash them. That's request number three.

Just m2c. Maybe too many requests. Maybe we will meet sometime at "Baby's" warehouse (in case it's the same mamasan I am talking about) to discuss this face to face.

LW

Crazier
11-27-06, 11:20
Crazier,

The bus station at the end of LHL does have buses to Dongguan (sign in English), but they do not go to Changping.

However, if you look across the street, you will spot more parked buses. This 2nd bus station does have buses to Changping (70 RMB). The bus dropped me off at an intersection on the highway, not at a bus station. I paid 15 RMB for a metered taxi to the Miraton.

Loso

Loso,

Unfortunately, we missed each other. I will make it a special point to check out these parked buses as you point out next time. Never noticed them before and nobody seemed to have given this information out readily enought. Can I ask if they are air-conditioned or not and if they journey directly or via some other towns making stops.

For Hotel Jiayi's Karaoke and Amazon (where I hear that business is down), it is not uncool to be at the Karaoke even if you are alone. Just call them to reserve a small room where the minimum F & B spend to be charged is 388. With some drinks and food, you will easily reach this minimum spend.

To liven up your time, take 2-3 girls to seat with and from that pick you can take one back. At least, you will have done the gauntlet and have a great time too if you pick them right.

Its not a bank breaker. Don't forget to tip the KJ who manages your drinks and music. 200 rmb is a-ok for her for the whole evening and that goes for the girls who do not go back with you but sit with you all evening.

Too bad, we missed out on meeting up.

Loso69
11-27-06, 11:45
Crazier,

When you reach the end of LHL, the entrance to the shopping mall that leads to the border is across the street on your right. On your left and further away, you'll see some parked buses. The girl working the ticket counter at the bus station on the corner had a security guard show me the way.

The bus made several stops along the way, but they were all very short stops to let people off along the highway. We never stopped at any bus station. Travel time was about 2.5 hours.

Pity we didn't get to meet in CP & thanks for the KTV advice.

Loso

Laowai123
11-27-06, 12:03
Loso,

[...]

For Hotel Jiayi's Karaoke and Amazon (where I hear that business is down), [...]Checked JiaYi and Amazon last week during a KTV fresh-up tour in CP and other towns in DG for business reason.

Visited JiaYi the first time, but did not feel comfortable, so I left few minutes after saying "Wan shang hao!".

The flower street at Amazon was not as it was like weeks before, as I expected from posts here; something like at least 50/60 girls (was hard to "count" during the walkthrough), beauties included. Anyway, I got the impression that the girls there are more active than before. I think the girls and staff have to and put more efforts to serve customers because of new competition (JiaYi).

So, it maybe will be a "wise" decision to give Amazon a try during the next time, as there the service maybe will be the "little bit extra" better than other places. As I had many other KTV's on my list, I was there just for a walkaround. Maybe when customers are requesting it I will be at Amazon next week and then are able to give some more information.

hth

LW

Devilguy
11-27-06, 16:13
This is interesting news and has been written about in other forums too.

Have you actually done this route or are you quoting someone else? The information may well be inaccurate? I do hope you are right because the one occasion when I went to the Gongbei bus station, they told me that there is no such bus to Chang Ping.

As far as I know, there is not bus from Gongbei Station to Chang Ping and that is why quite a few of us go to Xiangzhou (In Zhuhai) to take the bus to Chang Ping via Dongguan. That route, I have done quite a few times. From Gongbei, there is a public bus service to Xiangzhou with the alternative of taking a taxi. The bus faire from Xiangzhou to Chang Ping is 70 yuans.

Macau CTS Cross- Border Coah Company does run a daily service between Gongbei and Chang Ping directly once a day at 5pm and back from Chang Ping at 8.45 am from the Huei Mei Hotel in Chang Ping.

This service is cheap at 68 yuan with the downside of the less than favarouble travelling times each way. I am booked on this tomorrow morning at 8.45 to Zhuhai from here.
Tel: Zhuhai 0756 8328936 Tel: Chang Ping 0769 8391 8888.Dear Crazier,

I did that route several times, the last time was Early October/06..

Not every buses from CP stops at Gonbei STOP, actually the bus from Gongbei
make several stops before leaving Gonbei.

About accuracy of the information, I can tell you that I am not Chinese, and do not speak Chinese, so If the information is not correct, I would not try it.

Also, If you are travelling From CP to Zhuhai, you must chek if the bus stops at GOnbei or not, otherwise from the main Zh Bus station, need to spend an
extra RMB 20 taxi ride to Gongbei or Guandong Regency Hotel (near to the action)

About CTS, I think it is a BIG CONTRIBUTION, because the price is Great, and very convenient for those who want to travel directly between GOngbei-CP.

Loso69
11-28-06, 16:53
This afternoon, I headed for the Hui Mei area looking for some ST action. A mamasan led me to a BBS, but nobody opened the door. I walked away and the mamasan followed suit. Another mamasan turned up with a girl, who was a real beauty. I didn’t have to think twice before I got my wallet out and handed the mamasan 100 RMB. But as soon as I handed her the money, some guy grabbed her shoulder, flashed his badge and said “Police!” At 1st, I thought it was a scam to relieve a laowai of 100 RMB. But the mamasan gave my money back and I was allowed to walk. I never looked back!

After recovering, I went to the Jia Mei Hotel, picked a girl and had my ST. Afterwards, I walked back to the Hui Mei area, hoping to meet the beauty that had escaped me. I walked the length of both alleys, but wasn’t approached by a single mamasan. Guess all the BBS were closed.

I got into a van and headed for the Yalan area. I walked into the alley next to the Silver Star Hotel, but found both BBS on the left hand side of the alley to be deserted. The karaoke joint on the right hand side was open, though. So was the BBS in the Silver Star hotel. Unfortunately, I picked a dead fish and had to send her home after 1 round.

From this evidence, it seems as if the BBS situated in hotels were allowed to keep open, but the others were closed down.

Loso

Rising Son
11-29-06, 03:21
Hi, everybody -

I'm currently booked from Bangkok to Shenzen on March 3 on Bangkok Air, arriving around 7:30 PM and then taking a car to Changping. Returning to BKK on the 15th of March via the same carrier.

My questions are:

1. Does anyone know a better way to fly into SZX? (I'll be in Phnom Penh, and Bangkok seemed like the best place to connect from.)

2. About how long should that car/taxi trip from SZ to CP take?

I currently plan to stay in Changping for eight days and then take a car to Zhuhai for the rest of the stay. Anybody want to comment? Am I trying to do too much? Should I extend the stay by 4-5 days?

And as I said before, anyone who wants to join me on the ride to Zhuhai is welcome to do so as my guest.

Thanks in advance,

Rising Son

Moody
11-29-06, 06:27
Hi, everybody -

I'm currently booked from Bangkok to Shenzen on March 3 on Bangkok Air, arriving around 7:30 PM and then taking a car to Changping. Returning to BKK on the 15th of March via the same carrier.

My questions are:

1. Does anyone know a better way to fly into SZX? (I'll be in Phnom Penh, and Bangkok seemed like the best place to connect from.)

Lots of options. You can fly into Guangzhou, Shenzhen, or Hong Kong.


2. About how long should that car/taxi trip from SZ to CP take?

From the Shenzhen airport, it should be about 30-40 minutes to CP. From HKIA, it's about 2-3 hours. depending on immigration and other factors.



I currently plan to stay in Changping for eight days and then take a car to Zhuhai for the rest of the stay. Anybody want to comment? Am I trying to do too much? Should I extend the stay by 4-5 days?

Zhuhai's nice. The thing is though, pretty much everything available in Zhuhai is also available in CP and probably in bigger quantities. For change of pace, or if you have a preference for higher end talent, you might want to check out Shenzhen.


And as I said before, anyone who wants to join me on the ride to Zhuhai is welcome to do so as my guest.

Thanks in advance,

Rising Son

You're welcome.

Loso69
11-29-06, 06:51
Rising Son,

Dragonair has direct flights from Phnom Penh to Hong Kong. And there are buses from HKIA directly to CP every half an hour.

http://www.dragonair.com

Loso

Fast Eddie 48
11-29-06, 07:16
[QUOTE=Loso69]Rising Son,

Dragonair has direct flights from Phnom Penh to Hong Kong. And there are buses from HKIA directly to CP every half an hour.

http://www.dragonair.com



to loso69

Dragon air is now part of Cathay pacific cost from Hong kong to PP is $212 USD a yr ago , Asia air from bangkok is much cheaper .



fast eddie 48

Loso69
11-29-06, 09:18
Today, as I was walking from the Miraton Hotel towards the Hui Mei Hotel, I was approached by a mamasan who led me into the alley across the street and to the right of the Virgin Hotel. Same old girls, different location. Guess the BBS have relocated after yesterday's raid.

Loso

Transporter
11-29-06, 10:56
Wow...I haven't been reading much of the posts in a long time. I finally got a chance to read a few pages....Whats with all the drama.

Loso69
11-29-06, 22:07
After my 1st ST, I had 2 more girls from the Hui Mei BBS today. As far as I can tell, the girls have come back to their original location and everything is back to normal.

Loso

China51
11-29-06, 22:17
I will be in DG around the 8th Dec. Pm me if anyone wants to search together.

Crazier
11-30-06, 03:50
if you have a preference for higher end talent, you might want to check out Shenzhen.


Moody,

This is an interesting point of view.

My friends from HK and Shenzhen think otherwise and head to Zhang Mou Tou, Chang Ping and other parts of Dongguan most weekends.

Care to elaborate on the higher end talents?

Thanks.

C.

Laowai123
11-30-06, 05:12
Moody,

My friends from HK and Shenzhen think otherwise and head to Zhang Mou Tou, Chang Ping and other parts of Dongguan most weekends.

Care to elaborate on the higher end talents?I think more to get the service(s) cheaper. Higher end talents means higher price.

ZMT (Little Hong Kong) is full of HK people and Metropolitan (the only hotel which has HKD as currency on their pricelist) is fully booked nearly every weekend. BBS also mostly empty during "rush hour" at weekends.

LW

Laowai123
11-30-06, 05:35
Concerning the latest raid in CP and maybe somewhere else in DG, I got the information that this maybe is linked to visits of government people in the region...who knows.

Anyway, here my thoughts about raids and the reason for it:

I think we should not bash only the guys from TW (baseball team) which caused one of the last raids in CP. What makes us different to what they did, different in the way what happens here?

I don't see any difference. We post reports, send pics of girls, post details of girls (number, name (real or not does not matter), age, rate the service, post phone numbers of mamasans and so on. Sometimes enough information so we can hook up with the "target" immediately. Only we? I hope you don't think that what is posted here will not be read by government people or people linked to them.

Following this forum since a short time, reading posts of some new people here about age of consent, how to do this and this with a girl, etc. I am sure one of the next raids maybe based on what was posted here.

I suggest to limit the information in reports. Like not posting pics, names, ages, phone numbers. To give directions to BBS, KTV's, saunas etc., short description about the experience or whatever happened should be enough from my POV. Just keeping it low profile...
This not only to protect the girls, also to protect ourself, this forum, our hunt for fun.

If somebody wants more detail information, then this member should contact the poster by PM and the poster. Then it's the decision of the poster to give more information or not. Depending if the member who requests more information is known or not known.

m2c

Comments are welcome!

LW

Binge
11-30-06, 06:37
concerning the latest raid in cp and maybe somewhere else in dg, i got the information that this maybe is linked to visits of government people in the region...who knows.

anyway, here my thoughts about raids and the reason for it:

i think we should not bash only the guys from tw (baseball team) which caused one of the last raids in cp. what makes us different to what they did, different in the way what happens here?

i don't see any difference.

lwimho there are probably some material differences:

(1) the outreach and effect of the internet pales compared to the mainstream media. once a report appears in the mainstream media, it becomes a public issue. with immense pressure from the public and/or their bosses, the anti-vice agencies are forced to demonstrate that actions are being taken to appease public outrage.

(2) without such pressure, these agencies are less likely to act as there are tens of thousands of vice activities happening everyday in china and they have to be selective in deploying their limited manpower. in most cases, they will act only if there are sufficient complaints from the public. reports in the mainstream media would certainly result in complaints but not necessarily so in the case of reports found in internet sites set up for mongers.

(3) japan and taiwan are historical enemies of china. reports about japanese and taiwanese "bullying" chinese women are bound to result in public outrage and thereby forcing the anti-vice agencies to act. this is especially so when the headlines scream "japanese men having sex orgies with chinese women on anniversary of the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) of nanking" or "taiwanese patriots show commies how to have a good time". in those cases, we have crossed the morality realm into that of national pride and politics. not so for the postings here.

(4) postings here are in english and thus receive less attention from a largely chinese-literate only country.

your suggestion of private messaging does not prevent the authorities from posing as mongers to elicit information.

happy mongering!

Cockburn
11-30-06, 11:29
at AG

I feel a little bit sorry for you after your harsh words about helping somebody or not. You don't have to help somebody, it's up to you. Don't judge people on ther status here. The community here can be supported by paying the membership only and/or by posting helpful information and/or reports about own experiences.

When somebody is requesting support from you, but you don't want to give support, just don't give support. That's the first request I have.

I take the liberty to call myself "50% Supporter" as I only paid membership. After my first appearance here I wrote a report but did not post it, because I decided to keep these experiences "private" at the moment. Private between me and the girl. I have a different approach to the topic about we talk here. I request to accept this.

Yes, I got many information from your and other members posts. I try to give my contribution in kind of. Let's call them. General information or support when I can, as I decided not to post reports about experiences with girls at the moment. If this is not enough for you, please just ignore people like me and do not flame/bash them. That's request number three.

Just m2c. Maybe too many requests. Maybe we will meet sometime at "Baby's" warehouse (in case it's the same mamasan I am talking about) to discuss this face to face.

LWLaowai,

You got to be kidding to talk to Ace like that!

IMO: Ace got to be the most helpful person I ever came across and the most responsive person I ever communicated from this board. When I visited China a couple of months ago, I had PM a numbers of Seniors from the board, I met 3 Seniors who had taken their time to showed me around. But with Ace, I got the Super VIP treatment. Having driven around by his personal driver, and his bodyguard pushing off pimps from disturbing me, I was very grateful as I would never had enjoyed so much if not for Ace.

Remember, he did this not because he wants something back from you. He is spending a great deal of time scouting out of new places, spending money on testing out girls and spending his time presenting it on this board for us. With 1600 over good posts on this board, I don’t think we should even doubt his intensions of helping us out for nothing.

I am sure many on this board members would agree with me and had benefited from his help or at least his postings. If I say more, it will make me sound like I am trying to advertise for Ace and thus I would like to advice you to take a different approach in addressing Super Seniors like Ace, Cebu Local, Intransit, Old Asia Hand, etc.

So, there is definitely valid reasons for them to post a "Do Not Disturb" post like this!

CB

Loso69
11-30-06, 12:47
This afternoon, I ventured back to the Hui Mei area. I was approached by the mamasan of a BBS I visited yesterday, but didn't want to go back to the same old places. As I was walking down the alley with the mamasan still tagging along, I noticed a guy wearing a badge following us.

As I stubbornly refused to go to her shop, the mamasan finally said she'd bring some girls to me. But as she was waiting for the girls to arrive, a van showed up and two guys wearing green uniforms got out and arrested her.

Left with no other options, I went back to the Jia Mei hotel & got my 5th girl from that particular BBS. Her body showed signs of childbirth, but her performance was amazing. God, this chick was horny!

Loso

Legal Lad
11-30-06, 16:14
when i first started my mongering in china about 3 years ago. i started out in shenzhen. based upon my limited experiences, i do think that the "quality" of girl is higher, but it is also much more expensive.

when i refer to "quality" i am not referring to physical beauty. rather, i think its more along the lines of "western modernization or beauty." by way of example, in shenzhen i think that the ktv girls and sauna girls usually wear a heavy dose of make up, and try to keep up with the fashionable trends (read as piercings, low rise hot pants, thong underwear etc). while in dongguan, the girls are on the whole, a little more "farmer like." i'm not saying that the dongguan girls are farmers, far from that. but its akin to comparing a hot girl from the big city v. a hot girl from the suburbs or countryside.

when i first hit china, these "modern' girls really had my number. i was paying on average at the ktv in shenzen 300/1500/2000 for some of the better clubs like 21 or las vegas. but i found these "girls" too mechanical for me, and in some cases, very cold. you want a gfe, forget it. also expect, these girls moblie phones to ring all the time.

dongguan, at least for me, is really a bargain. i can't stay that i ever went into a bbs, as i do like the whole ktv or sauna experience. but, the girls at least to me are more likely to be a gfe than in shenzhen. also, you will in general find more "wholesome looking" gals than in shenzhen.

i don't find it suprising that hk peeps and shenzhen peeps head to dg as the price is 1/2, the girls are very plentiful, and the ability to find more gfes.

now when i go to china, its dg or zhuhai.

just one man's pov.

'lad

Fast Eddie 48
11-30-06, 17:51
This afternoon, I ventured back to the Hui Mei area. I was approached by the mamasan of a BBS I visited yesterday, but didn't want to go back to the same old places. As I was walking down the alley with the mamasan still tagging along, I noticed a guy wearing a badge following us.

As I stubbornly refused to go to her shop, the mamasan finally said she'd bring some girls to me. But as she was waiting for the girls to arrive, a van showed up and two guys wearing green uniforms got out and arrested her.

Left with no other options, I went back to the Jia Mei hotel & got my 5th girl from that particular BBS. Her body showed signs of childbirth, but her performance was amazing. God, this chick was horny!

Loso


to loso

You need to wise up if a crack down is going on why be so dumb and take this chance , options is go to the ktv or get a business card from the mamasan and have her bring the girl to your room .

fast eddie 48

ManonsanBoy
11-30-06, 21:06
There is NOTHING we post here that is not well known to security. They all get their cut of the action. The government knows the vice industry helps to redistribute a lot of money, usually from rich to poor.

I do not think there is much forced prostitution in southern coastal China. I chat with the girls I have and they all tell similar stories. There was not much to do at home after leaving school; factory, waitress, sales or the entertainment business. That is why there are so many sex workers.

These raind are just part of the cycle of life, just to remind workers who is boss so they pay up.

Moody
12-01-06, 04:47
I suggest to limit the information in reports. Like not posting pics, names, ages, phone numbers. To give directions to BBS, KTV's, saunas etc., short description about the experience or whatever happened should be enough from my POV. Just keeping it low profile...
This not only to protect the girls, also to protect ourself, this forum, our hunt for fun.

Contrary to what you might think, law enforcement is not blind nor stupid. They know where EVERYTHING is and they know what goes on at each and every place. They probably know better than all of us combined. They just ignore it either because they get paid off, or they don't care. Lot of Chinese consider prostitution one of the lesser vices and are willing to tolerate it as long as it's not too overt. As long as LE doesn't receive any direct complaints from their superiors, they're more than happy to keep accepting their payoffs and letting it go on.

Member #4515
12-01-06, 06:21
There are too many excellent girls in this small town. Just like 7-11 ***** store.

Here are some pics I tool last month.

Loso69
12-01-06, 06:57
to loso

You need to wise up if a crack down is going on why be so dumb and take this chance , options is go to the ktv or get a business card from the mamasan and have her bring the girl to your room .

fast eddie 48

The KTV joints aren’t open in the afternoon, KTV girls are more expensive and I hate bloody karaoke.

I don’t speak a word of Chinese, so I can’t communicate with mamasans over the phone.

The police may hassle the mamasans, but they won’t mess with a laowai. And the mamasan that was carted off by the police in the afternoon was back out on the streets later that night, so she wasn’t detained for long.

The crackdown makes it more challenging to find girls, especially if you’re a laowai who sticks out like a sore thumb, but there’s still plenty of action in CP.

Loso

Transporter
12-01-06, 08:09
The KTV joints aren’t open in the afternoon, KTV girls are more expensive and I hate bloody karaoke.

Loso


Not exactly.
A lot of the cheaper KTV's (135, 136, 147) are open during the afternoon. They open around 2:30-3:30 and stay open until they open for regular business. Just that in the afternoon before the rooms are open, they work like a BBS. That gives the girls a chance to go out, and come back in before they open for regular business. And that gives us a chance to try a whole lot of them out without going to the KTV.

Santa
12-01-06, 10:02
Is the crackdown because of the International Aids Day meetings?

Beijing Xiber
12-01-06, 11:34
Went to the 5 star Cinese Hotel KTV after a long absence and I am happy to report that the quality was excellent and a big improvment over our last visit. In fact many of the girls bore striking resemblaces to HK and China move stars! My girl who was from Wuhan looked just like the Chinese beauty, Chu Hsi (SP?), and had a sparkling warm smile. Good figure and extremely soft skin.

We did the normal KTV scene for a couple hours and then proceed back to the room where she performed like a true star. BBBJ, DATY, and FS-Mish to finish the deed. She stayed until I went down to join my frineds for breakfast at 10: 30. Total damage was 1k rmb, but from the ecstatic look on her face, I could tell she would have been very happy with 8. Can someone tell me what is the going rate now for 5 star ktv girls here in DG? Is 3,5,8 the current market rate?

Well tonight off to re-visist the newer Silverworld Hotel KTV where we have had some wonderful recent experiences. Will submit report.

Keep safe out there.

BJXB

Loso69
12-01-06, 14:08
A lot of the cheaper KTV's (135, 136, 147) are open during the afternoon. They open around 2:30-3:30 and stay open until they open for regular business. Just that in the afternoon before the rooms are open, they work like a BBS. That gives the girls a chance to go out, and come back in before they open for regular business. And that gives us a chance to try a whole lot of them out without going to the KTV.

Very interesting! That would allow me to fuck KTV girls without having to suffer karaoke singing. Unfortunately, I'm going home tomorrow and won't be able to explore this option on my current trip. But I'll do some research in preparation for my next visit. If you could provide details on where to find afternoon karaoke action, it would be appreciated.

Loso

Wamlies
12-01-06, 20:27
There are too many excellent girls in this small town. Just like 7-11 ***** store.

Here are some pics I tool last month.Big Top,

Im in CP next month (jan) - care to share where you found this catch shes awesome - nice find!

Rwong1
12-02-06, 04:26
There are too many excellent girls in this small town. Just like 7-11 ***** store.

Here are some pics I tool last month.Great pics Big Top. Brings back memories. Was she from bbs in Yalan area? I think I had her two months back. Great BBBJCIM.

Member #4515
12-02-06, 18:00
Great pics Big Top. Brings back memories. Was she from bbs in Yalan area? I think I had her two months back. Great BBBJCIM.Yes, my friend. I think you are right. She also has a sister. Next time you can try.

Minkfan1
12-05-06, 09:49
Just got back from China tour. I was scheduled to stay in Houjie for one day, but I liked my Sheraton KTV chic so much that I said the heck with ZH and stayed one more day at the Sheraton.

If you guys want to maximize your chances of seeing beauties in the Sheraton KTV, get a medium or large room on the third floor. My friend and I got a small room in the basement, and it took a while for them to bring lineups. The manager said that because the girls have to travel up and down the stairs/elevator, it takes longer and that some girls don't even want to go downstairs. They figure they are good looking enough to be picked right away.

I was really upset about the quality shown. I told the manager that I heard Sheraton KTV has some of the finest China has to offer in the lineup, and I came here just for that. The manager went upstairs and got me a 10 girl lineup. I did not see any beauties, just one that was pretty/cute, whom I ended up picking.

They even showed me their "10 beauties" who are 500 sitting fee and 3000 overnight. Was not impressed. I just stuck to my Chongqing cutie.

I think the lineup in the Lisboa shark pit in Macau tops anything I've seen on the Mainland.

The chongqing cutie I picked was great. She had no chest, small but, around 5ft2in, but what made up for it was her attitude. I personnally do not like quite, sweet, innocent girls. This girl speaks her mind, smokes like crazy (outside the KTV), takes the initiative.

Minkfan1
12-05-06, 09:52
My Sheraton KTV chic told me that the hotel diagonally across Sheraton has nice rooms but not as pricy.

Do any of you guys know what is the name? If you are outside the Sheraton, facing the mall, it is the hotel to the left. The second chinese charater in the hotel name is "shing" as in new.

thanks

Fast Eddie 48
12-06-06, 00:14
My Sheraton KTV chic told me that the hotel diagonally across Sheraton has nice rooms but not as pricy.

Do any of you guys know what is the name? If you are outside the Sheraton, facing the mall, it is the hotel to the left. The second chinese charater in the hotel name is "shing" as in new.

thanks


to mink fan

Shan hu hotel mean coral in chinese it is a nice hotel stay there a few time is
about 320 rmb a night have ktv and sauna and disco , the ktv is not as good as it used to be 5 yr ago before cinese and sheraton open this is the place in
houjie , the owner of sheraton started this hotel and sold it a few yr ago .

fast eddie 48

Poppasan
12-06-06, 08:47
I will be in DG on the 25th or 26th of January. This will be my first time in China. I usually go Vietnam. Will anyone be there to show me the area or point me in the right directions. I am easy. I just want to fuck as many as I can before I go back to work in the US.

Tristan36
12-07-06, 03:19
I have read so many good things about the Cinese Hotel massage that I decided to give it a try.

I went there last Saturday around 4 pm. I had a coffee in the lobby and then I went to recreation centre... in the 5th floor. There, to my surprise, I saw a swimming pool and a communal room for massage. I realized I was in the wrong place and I asked to the guy was showing me that I wanted a "hen hao massage". He looks at me, smile and told me that I had to go to the 7 floor.

Once there it looked more as the place I was looking for. A girl brought me to a room. The room looked as a normal hotel room in a 4 star hotel in China. No as I was expecting in a 5 start hotel.

The mamasan told me that if I want to see the 500rmb girls and the cost of the room around 220rmb. I said OK.

She brought me 4 girls wearing street clothes. They introduced themselves. I was quite disappointed since for my standards they were around 5-6/10. I told her I did not like any of them and ask for more. She was puzzle as if she did not have anymore girls. I told her that I wanted “hen hao xiaoxie” and she told me that they were priced 900rmb. I say OK and after several minutes 4 girls appear. They were wearing a see-through cloth. I was more disappointed since for my standards they were still 5-6/10. She told me she had no more girls. I choose the best one for my opinion and asked to go to another room since there were some construction near and it was noisy.

When I was back to the corridor I saw some of the same girls and 3 more girls wearing a white uniform with short skirt. To my standards they were better than the 900rmb girls I had seen before. I asked about them and the told me that they were the 600rmb(sic). I asked why she did not introduce them before and she “did not understand me”. Since I am idiot and I had already chosen the other girl (900rmb) I keep my word and went to the other room.

The service was mechanical, professional, and no GFE at all.

Please, If you go there ask to see all the girls 500-600-900rmb. Since maybe the rating system they use is not the same as yours.

Tristan

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Tristan36
12-07-06, 03:27
I read very good things about the Sheraton KTV girls. Nevertheless, does the Sheraton has a "7th floor" as the Cinese has or as the Crown Prince Hotel Sauna building?

How can I skip the hassle of having to go to the ktv get a room, spend in drinks, etc. Since I usually go by myself only and get the top girls? Even renting a small room do not assure to be able to get the best girls!

Rgds

Tigerman 2438
12-07-06, 12:02
I intend to go to Changping and Dongguan for the first time on the 13th and 15th December respectively. I will certainly be grateful if someone can give me some advice and guidance as to accommodation and mongering in these places. Currently, is there any crackdown by the authorities?

Thank you,

Tigerman 2438

Legal Lad
12-07-06, 17:53
Tigerman,

It may be a good idea to RTFF.


'lad

Cn Explorer
12-07-06, 18:20
The mamasan told me that if I want to see the 500rmb girls and the cost of the room around 220rmb. I said OK.

She brought me 4 girls wearing street clothes. They introduced themselves. I was quite disappointed since for my standards they were around 5-6/10. I told her I did not like any of them and ask for more. She was puzzle as if she did not have anymore girls. I told her that I wanted “hen hao xiaoxie” and she told me that they were priced 900rmb. I say OK and after several minutes 4 girls appear. They were wearing a see-through cloth. I was more disappointed since for my standards they were still 5-6/10. She told me she had no more girls. I choose the best one for my opinion and asked to go to another room since there were some construction near and it was noisy.

When I was back to the corridor I saw some of the same girls and 3 more girls wearing a white uniform with short skirt. To my standards they were better than the 900rmb girls I had seen before. I asked about them and the told me that they were the 600rmb(sic). I asked why she did not introduce them before and she “did not understand me”. Since I am idiot and I had already chosen the other girl (900rmb) I keep my word and went to the other room.

The service was mechanical, professional, and no GFE at all.

Please, If you go there ask to see all the girls 500-600-900rmb. Since maybe the rating system they use is not the same as yours.

Tristan

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Was at the Cinese sauna recently too; from what i remembered, the girls wearing street clothes are the newbies who are still undergoing training - really average looking so don't waste your time.

I was also offered the so-called models who are well, just tall. I was told that their service is non-gfe so forget about the bbbj, mint in the ass, etc. However, they're supposed to do some dance routine. As to why that's worth extra money is beyond me.

The 'A' category girls (white uniform) are better looking and service is quite gfe except I couldn't get dfk, only light kissing. Would recommend A013, pretty with a china doll look. A bit temperamental but service level is good. A125 is a decent choice too, not as pretty and kinda plump but a more mellow personality plus her service level is better.

I booked a room in advance and got a 20-30 RMB discount on the room charge, I suspect regulars probably get more. If one is going to such a place for the first time or isn't a regular, I have always found that tipping the mamasan beforehand goes a long way.

Mac 2
12-07-06, 19:04
I read very good things about the Sheraton KTV girls. Nevertheless, does the Sheraton has a "7th floor" as the Cinese has or as the Crown Prince Hotel Sauna building?

How can I skip the hassle of having to go to the ktv get a room, spend in drinks, etc. Since I usually go by myself only and get the top girls? Even renting a small room do not assure to be able to get the best girls!

RgdsTristan,

Sheraton DG is the biggest *****house in South China.

Actually, floor 1 to 3 belongs to Sheraton and the rest of the building belongs
to some retired government official.

Floor 6, 7 + 8 is for fun. Just go up there and ask the waiter for a room.

You might also be lucky to receive some name cards from the mamas
in the elevator, if you are staying at this hotel.

I lived in that hotel for almost 2 years and always had fun.

Give it a try.

Mac

Transporter
12-07-06, 23:59
I read very good things about the Sheraton KTV girls. Nevertheless, does the Sheraton has a "7th floor" as the Cinese has or as the Crown Prince Hotel Sauna building?

How can I skip the hassle of having to go to the ktv get a room, spend in drinks, etc. Since I usually go by myself only and get the top girls? Even renting a small room do not assure to be able to get the best girls!

Rgds


Keep in mind that the better KtV's have different classes of girls. So it depends on who you are or who you know, that will determine which sets of girls you get to view and when. Its would be better to join up with some folks that have a set reputation already.

Travel Dog
12-08-06, 02:02
How can I skip the hassle of having to go to the ktv get a room, spend in drinks, etc. Since I usually go by myself only and get the top girls? Even renting a small room do not assure to be able to get the best girls!

Rgds


Tristan
Renting a KTV room alone is not recomended. But you can still get the best girls because most large KTVs have a stage show in a big room. You can usually go there, buy a drink, watch the show and check out the girls who will be hanging around. Also, the mommies will come up to you and ask if you would like a girl to sit with you. Tell them what kind of girl you want and they will bring a few for you to look at. If you like one just take her and go. No room charges, no bad singing and no drunken dice game. Of course you still pay the high KTV price for the girl.


TD

Minkfan1
12-08-06, 05:04
Tristan,

Sheraton DG is the biggest *****house in South China.

Actually, floor 1 to 3 belongs to Sheraton and the rest of the building belongs
to some retired government official.

Floor 6, 7 + 8 is for fun. Just go up there and ask the waiter for a room.


Mac

Hi Mac,

Can you elaborate more on what happens on floors 6, 7, or 8? I was at DG Sheraton for two days last week and it was a big disappointment.

thanks,

minkfan

Yankee 617
12-08-06, 11:27
This is more of a vent than a report...

I just wanted to vent my frustration with poor service, which I have found
on more than one occasion here in China. There seems to be little one can
do in advance to avoid poor service situations. Here is the typical scenario
that I have encountered...

1) I find a friendly girl who seems eager to be with me.
2) I negotiate all prices and services in advance.
3) We head back to my hotel room.
4) Once inside the room, she swiftly gets undressed.
5) I attempt some playful fooling around. Kissing on the lips is
invariably off the menu but things start to turn bad here. Often
caressing or breast kissing is refused. Even previously negotiated
services such as BJ or DATY may be refused.
6) She is eager to get a condom on me and begin pumping.
Six strokes later, she is complaining that I haven't cum yet.
She may even grimace every time I push inside her.
7) After a little more pumping, she wants to get up/dressed
and get paid/gone. She may even refuse a HJ or any further
attempt to get me off. This might be as little as 10 minutes
after she initially undressed. An argument invariably ensues
and by this time I don't even want her anymore.

That's a rough synopsis of what I just experienced here in CP but its
not much different from what I experienced in SZ a couple weeks ago.
In this particular case, I paid nothing up front. (In SZ, I paid 50 RMB
up front.) When she said she wanted to go, I offered partial payment
to get rid of her, but she just refused and argued. As she had no cell
phone, and I refused to let her use mine, she eventually said we
should go together back to the shop where I got her. I walked her
outside and then told her goodbye. At this point she accepted the
partial payment (which I offered again, just to appease her somewhat
and thereby hopefully avoid engendering problems) but IMHO she
did not deserve anything.

I'd really like to know how to avoid such unpleasant situations. Although
the easiest course to take (once you are in such a situation) is to pay in
full and get her gone... I feel this only encourages her to repeat the
little game with her next customer. Only by refusing payment is there
some hope of getting her to provide decent service to future customers...
but its certainly no guarantee. She might just negotiate harder or push
for a situation in which she holds more power: either getting an up-front
payment, or doing the deed at her place, or both. But refusing full payment
always brings an unpleasant argument...

Any thoughts on how to avoid such situations?
How frequently have you guys encountered such situations?

Yankee 617
12-08-06, 14:59
I was once told that if you fall off a horse, you should get back in the saddle right away...

So I went outside the hotel and accepted the invitation of a mama to check out her stable of beauties... and decided I wouldn't try to cut her asking price of 200 RMB. Her shop didn't have a big selection, but the first one the mama recommended was cute and - importantly - she said the magic words: "good service". The girl, Li Tse, seemed bouncy and cute enough, as well as quickly agreeable to both BJ and DATY... I negotiated 60 minutes for this price and paid 100 RMB up front.

En route to the hotel room, Li Tse was reasonably friendly and kidded around a bit... not a bad start. Inside the room, she let me start to undress her but finished the job herself. We were supposed to be headed to a shower but I decided to caress her on the spot as a little prelude. In the course of this bit of foreplay, she jumped up into my arms (she is small enough for me to carry) and I carried her to the bed. Her vaginal talents were so good that I came in no time (pleasant but very unusual for me) so we headed to the shower... this was also fun as we kidded around, splashed water on each other, and soaped each other up.

We were only 20 minutes into the session and I was ready for Round 2. Unfortunately, Li Tse tried to pry an additional 200 RMB from me for a second round... but I would have no part of this and reminded her that we had another 40 minutes to go. I was braced for another unpleasant argument when I suggested that we just hug/cuddle for awhile and I was pleased that she accepted. After a bit of this, Li Tse and I just naturally moved into a second round... without any further discussion of money... and this was quite nice. As the hour was almost up, we took another playful shower together and then dressed. I then happily gave her the 100 RMB that I owed her plus a 20 RMB tip. I also made arrangements for her to return in the morning... she will be my going-away gift to myself as I have to check out of this hotel and head back to my work world in the USA tomorrow.

So, except for the tense moment when she tried to pry a bit more money from me, I would say the service she offered was quite good.

Moody
12-08-06, 15:43
I read very good things about the Sheraton KTV girls. Nevertheless, does the Sheraton has a "7th floor" as the Cinese has or as the Crown Prince Hotel Sauna building?

How can I skip the hassle of having to go to the ktv get a room, spend in drinks, etc. Since I usually go by myself only and get the top girls? Even renting a small room do not assure to be able to get the best girls!

Rgds

Go to the basement. You have to get on the right elevator though. Some of the elevators go to the basement, some don't. Once there, go left. If you go right, that's the legit sauna.

Moody
12-08-06, 15:46
Any thoughts on how to avoid such situations?
How frequently have you guys encountered such situations?

I've never had what you've described in CP. Yes I've gotten a few starfish, but nothing like you describe. Maybe I'm lucky.

Wadman
12-08-06, 15:46
5) I attempt some playful fooling around. Kissing on the lips is
invariably off the menu but things start to turn bad here. Often caressing or breast kissing is refused. Even previously negotiated services such as BJ or DATY may be refused.It's called a sales pitch. Some girls and mommies will promise you anything and everything to make the sale.


6) She is eager to get a condom on me and begin pumping.
Six strokes later, she is complaining that I haven't cum yet. She may even grimace every time I push inside her. Flip her over, and do her doggy.


That's a rough synopsis of what I just experienced here in CP but its not much different from what I experienced in SZ a couple weeks ago./QUOTE]The BBSs in Shenzhen, especially Sha Tsui are always hit and miss, even for more experienced mongers. But then the BBSs are really cheap, so we get what we pay for.

[QUOTE=Yankee 617]Any thoughts on how to avoid such situations?

How frequently have you guys encountered such situations?The girls are more likely to try to short-changed you if you don't speak Mandarin. Because you wouldn't be able to complain to anybody. I noticed that a lot when I first came to China and couldn't speak any Mandarin, a lot less now.

My advice, find a good place, or a good mommy, and keep going back.

Wadman
12-08-06, 15:56
... I negotiated 60 minutes for this price and paid 100 RMB up front.

En route to the hotel room, Li Tse was reasonably friendly and kidded around a bit... not a bad start. Inside the room, she let me start to undress her but finished the job herself. We were supposed to be headed to a shower but I decided to caress her on the spot as a little prelude. In the course of this bit of foreplay, she jumped up into my arms (she is small enough for me to carry) and I carried her to the bed. Her vaginal talents were so good that I came in no time (pleasant but very unusual for me) so we headed to the shower... this was also fun as we kidded around, splashed water on each other, and soaped each other up.

We were only 20 minutes into the session and I was ready for Round 2. Unfortunately, Li Tse tried to pry an additional 200 RMB from me for a second round... but I would have no part of this and reminded her that we had another 40 minutes to go. I was braced for another unpleasant argument when I suggested that we just hug/cuddle for awhile and I was pleased that she accepted. After a bit of this, Li Tse and I just naturally moved into a second round... without any further discussion of money... and this was quite nice. As the hour was almost up, we took another playful shower together and then dressed. I then happily gave her the 100 RMB that I owed her plus a 20 RMB tip. I also made arrangements for her to return in the morning... she will be my going-away gift to myself as I have to check out of this hotel and head back to my work world in the USA tomorrow.

So, except for the tense moment when she tried to pry a bit more money from me, I would say the service she offered was quite good.It's not unusual at all that the girls will try to get extra money from you. It all depends on how persistent they are. If they just ask, but don't insist and turn nasty, I would say no harm done.

In this case I would say Li Tse has bit of a case. Most BBSs allow 1 shot for the price. In your case, you negotiated 60 minutes, so it's a case of which rule trumps which.

Yankee 617
12-08-06, 22:05
The girls are more likely to try to short-changed you if you don't speak Mandarin. Because you wouldn't be able to complain to anybody. I noticed that a lot when I first came to China and couldn't speak any Mandarin, a lot less now.

Perhaps the only answer is to learn Mandarin.

Phantomtiger2
12-09-06, 00:43
This is more of a vent than a report...

. At this point she accepted the
partial payment (which I offered again, just to appease her somewhat
and thereby hopefully avoid engendering problems) but IMHO she
did not deserve anything.

I'd really like to know how to avoid such unpleasant situations. Although
the easiest course to take (once you are in such a situation) is to pay in
full and get her gone... I feel this only encourages her to repeat the
little game with her next customer. Only by refusing payment is there
some hope of getting her to provide decent service to future customers...
but its certainly no guarantee.
Any thoughts on how to avoid such situations?
How frequently have you guys encountered such situations?

Always pay only the amount of money they deserve and never more (but if already paid in full in advance then only recourse is to complain to the Mama--but some are scams where the Mama is in on this --but most are not so complaining will help the person who comes after).

Since she did give some sex service (although bad) shes entitle to a little money so partial payment is ok, but never pay the full payment as service was never finished.

Yes, I've encounter this situation almost everywhere in Asia that I've been to find action. I just return from Cambodia and had almost this exact situation.--so shit happens everywhere and will depend alot on your luck or lack of it.

Note: you didnt do anything wrong so cant be avoided as its your 1st time at that location and didnt know what to expect. Only thing is dont go back there and perhaps post a warning of the place (location-address etc) on this board so others can be aware also.

PT

Santa
12-09-06, 13:39
Hi Yankee. I think you did everything right and there was nothing more you could have done. Sometimes you get a bad one and sometimes you hit a home run.

While a group of us were having dinner in Shanghai, OAH said, "this new guy, Yankee, comes to China for the first time, reads the fucking forum, figures things out, goes to the right places and posts good reports".

Bonking
12-10-06, 02:27
I will be in DG on the 25th or 26th of January. This will be my first time in China. I usually go Vietnam. Will anyone be there to show me the area or point me in the right directions. I am easy. I just want to fuck as many as I can before I go back to work in the US.I might be in DG around that time. Leave me your contacts so we can discuss.

Cheers

Minkfan1
12-10-06, 07:44
Hi all,

A cabby in CP told me of a place called Li4 Fa3. He said that many girls from Yalan are moving to that area. I remember members cautioning against listening to cabbies, so I went to tried and true Yalan area.

Has anyone tried that area?

thanks,

minkfan

Member #4515
12-10-06, 14:29
Hi all,

A cabby in CP told me of a place called Li4 Fa3. He said that many girls from Yalan are moving to that area. I remember members cautioning against listening to cabbies, so I went to tried and true Yalan area.

Has anyone tried that area?

thanks,

minkfanHI! Minkfan1. I think the place u mentioned is LI-Hwa hotel. I have been there several times. This pace has around hundred girls from 9pm. The going rate is 130-350. I personally will visit cp on 14th this month, Will you still there?

Superforce99
12-11-06, 02:40
Minkfan/Bigtop,

Are you sure you guys are talking about the same place? Can either of you
give directions to this hotel?

I was in CP on Friday and didn't get to the Yalan area till about 11pm and
there were about 50-60 girls left. Selection was OK, but no gal really made
me want to fuck her immediately, but still plenty of fuckable ones.

Also, checked out the catacombs for the first time in a while, and I have to
say I was pleasantly surprised...the girls were not as bad as the last time I
was there, about 1-1.5 years ago. They were young-ish, relatively clean looking,
and still charged 30 RMB. Definately lower quantity than before, about 5-6 gals,
compared with the dozen or so I remember from before. This was near 12 noon
so it may have been early. Their rooms were still disgusting as hell though.


J

Crazier
12-11-06, 05:44
Minkfan/Bigtop,

Are you sure you guys are talking about the same place? Can either of you
give directions to this hotel?


.......checked out the catacombs.............

They were young-ish, relatively clean looking,
and still charged 30 RMB. Definately lower quantity than before, about 5-6 gals, compared with the dozen or so I remember from before. This was near 12 noon so it may have been early.

J

Li Hwa / Li Fa - this is interesting news. Anyone has verified this recently?

BTW, I went to check out the catacombs for the first time during a recent visit. It was like 11am and there were at least 15 to 20 girls. The area is more than just one lane and you have to walk through some really small dingy "lanes" which do not connect too obviously.

Young and pretty - a couple that I saw.

I did not partake as it's not my cup of tea but at 30 yuans, I am sure some will given the "value for money" factor! Yiaks!

Poppasan
12-11-06, 20:39
Bong King..Please PM me...I can't seem to send you a message..


I might be in DG around that time. Leave me your contacts so we can discuss.

Cheers

ManonsanBoy
12-11-06, 21:09
Been mongering a while but this is a new experience. 8 PM. BBS near Golden Lake Hotel, Tangxia. Selection of 8-10 girls. All sullen looking but one smiled broadly at me when I entered. A 8. Viagra 1 hour before.

Yan Yan from Jiangxi. 5 foot nothing, petite with smooth rake. Off to hotel; 150 but I said I will pay girl. The girl pays mamasan 100 straight away. Good sign.

Shower. Beautiful body. Well, she must have been watching porno movies and horny. All the moves were there; kissing, 69, hand, feet, GFE plus plus. She was really into it and her pussy was making lots of noises as I did her doggie. When she sensed I was about to come, she stopped me.

She then changed condom. Covered blow job. I was rock hard and wondering what was going on. She mounted me ANAL! Looking into my eyes and with a smile. That was too much. I flipped her over and entered her anally. I came within 10-15 strokes!

She smiled and asked whether I wanted her to stay. 400 all night. One more shot after dinner and another in morning, both after 20-30 minutes of "congress". Sore dick.

I gave her 500 and she left with a smile. She gave me her number but I left it in the hotel.

Superforce99
12-12-06, 01:56
.....

I gave her 500 and she left with a smile. She gave me her number but I left it in the hotel.


Ummm....how the FUCK do you lose this type of contact?!?!


J

Legal Lad
12-12-06, 16:15
"Ummm....how the FUCK do you lose this type of contact?!?!"


Haha, I was just thinking the same thing. I guess I've been pretty lucky as I was able to have some backdoor play with a few of my KTV girls (sorry guys, no contact info, as they are "steadys") but for a girl to volunteer anal? Wow!

'lad

Yankee 617
12-12-06, 22:53
Hi Yankee. I think you did everything right and there was nothing more you could have done. Sometimes you get a bad one and sometimes you hit a home run.

While a group of us were having dinner in Shanghai, OAH said, "this new guy, Yankee, comes to China for the first time, reads the fucking forum, figures things out, goes to the right places and posts good reports".Thanks Santa (and thanks to OAH for the kind words)...

As mentioned in my "Good Service" post below, I invited Li Tse for a repeat session the next morning. She was only a few minutes late and the session was great. I happily paid her 220 RMB and hope she didn't have to share any of it with her momma.

For anyone trying to find Li Tse, here are directions to the shop where I found her. (Her momma will have to be the one to take you there.) Turn left as you walk out of the Miraton Hotel. When you reach the end of the hotel building, turn left again so that you are headed out behind the Miraton. Cross the small street and continue straight. Go in an entrance on your left and up one flight of stairs where the momma will take you into a room full of girls. Li Tse is a petite gal with medium-sized breasts and short black hair. She wore slacks both times I met her. (Another gal in the shop was said to be her sister and I was offered the possibility of a 3-some.)

Old Mean Dog
12-13-06, 04:44
Li Hwa / Li Fa - this is interesting news. Anyone has verified this recently?

BTW, I went to check out the catacombs for the first time during a recent visit. It was like 11am and there were at least 15 to 20 girls. The area is more than just one lane and you have to walk through some really small dingy "lanes" which do not connect too obviously.

Young and pretty - a couple that I saw.

I did not partake as it's not my cup of tea but at 30 yuans, I am sure some will given the "value for money" factor! Yiaks!

Considering Li Fa is the old school way of saying "haircut" he could have been sending a secret message as in BBS or maybe he thought your hair looked a little long.

Minkfan1
12-13-06, 07:21
SZexpat: haha, I do need a haircut. But a have no more money after China :)

Seriously though, I'm not sure if Li Fa/Li Hwa is an area or hotel. During the conversation I asked the cabby how much further away is it from HuiHua hotel compared to Yalan, and he said around that area.

The conversation came about on our way back to HuiHua from Yalan. Usually you get mobbed by mommies right after you get out of the taxi, but that night was unusual. We arrived around 6pm and no mommies were to be seen. We had to go hunt down the mommies. On the way back, I asked the cabby what the heck happened to the mommies and girls. He said that because of all the construction around, some of the mommies and girls have moved to Li Fa. Since my friend and I planned to hit the KTV's anyways, I didn't try the new area.

Who wants to take one for the team?

minkfan

Crazier
12-13-06, 10:08
I went there a couple of months ago and stayed at the
Solaris 陽光假日Hotel 酒店

Its quite new but small and we did the Karaoke that night.
Rather late on a Friday night so the talent level was down as explained by the GM.

Claims to have better talent earlier in the evening.

ZMT is a mini Hong Kong on weekends and thronged with them people.

Anyone knows the best clubs / karaokes there and BBS places?

Previously on an evening's excusion (another visit) with a friendly taxi driver, we drove up and down one street and there were quite a few BBS's there and I liked the talent I saw that late evening's visit.

Any comments or suggestions for BBS, clubs, Karaokes or even massage places, saunas both normal and sexy?

Thanks

C.

Superforce99
12-13-06, 10:33
Anybody in the Zhuhai area want to share a private car ride to Dongguan (Changping)?
This would be on Friday night from Gongbei area to Changping Miraton/Hui Mei area.

I think I'll make this a weekly thing, and if there are enough people who want to do it, I'll go,
and if not, I'll stay. Minimum price would be me + you = 160-175RMB. With as few as 3 people,
it could be about 110-120RMB/2 hours per person which is pretty good compared to the 80 RMB/3 hours
it would take by bus.

Post or PM.


J

Laowai123
12-13-06, 18:26
@ Crazier

I live in ZMT and know Hotel Solaris, as I stayed there before I moved to ZMT. My last customers also stayed there, but will definitely book them at Metroploitan Hotel next time.

Metropolitan Hotel is just one block away from Solaris - looking left when standing at the crossing where Solaris is located.

Can book a room for you if you want: CNY 360/380(? FR, SA)

If you want to stay again at Solaris I can book a room for CNY 287.

At Metropolitan you - and all weekends a lot of HK Mongers - will find what you need: KTV (Club Dynasty), Sauna...girls

KTV is Ok, the girls too, I am sure you will find your girl through their collection.

Sauna: at 4th floor "real" massage, at 6th floor "special" massage.

I only know the 4th floor as I am not looking for the other service. Massage is always good and I enjoy the time there - now regularly at least two time a week.

BBS:

There is a market area near the railway station at the big crossing which you can reach when you come from the railway station walking downtown under the railway. Selection not bad, depending on what you prefer. Beginning with Friday evening until Sunday evening it's always hard to get the gems as they are mostly pre-booked by their HK frequent customers. During this time sometime this area runs out of girls.
This area maybe is not very comfortable, as always people around because of restaurants, DVD shops, small comodoties selling people and people waiting for buses. But you can walk around and book girls for later. Beside the girls sometimes I have following positive experience there: I never paid the mama upfront, always paid the girl. Never asked me a mama to pay upfront. Maybe it's because I can speak Chinese.

Another BBS area was - according a friend - on the other side of the railway but seems to be closed. You also can find some "lonely" BBS around the city, but the market area described above seems to be the "legit" one and you will find at least 10 shops.

KTV:

- Hotel Metropolitan, Club Dynasty, rooms and girls are OK
- Hotel Solaris; I don't like this KTV, so I only was there one time and during this time there also where no girls at 9pm...
- Sangem Goodview Hotel (Top Hill, with the green spotlight which you can see at night) with flower market; bad experience with a girl from Haerbin; room was OK; was only one time there
- Thank Q (?), a new KTV at the street crossing uphill to Goodview Hotel, was there the first time three weeks ago. Girl selection was not bad, as the mama picked for me a real nice Sichuan girl which I kept, even though I did not want it; room was OK

Sauna:

- Hotel Metropolitan; legit (CNY 88/118), special 218/398 (room) + 400 (girl) 2.5 hrs
- Hotel Solaris; legit + special, sorry don't know the prices
- Hotel Goodview (Top Hill); I am sure this hotel also has a legit + special sauna, but never looked for this service when i was there
- there are some non hotel saunas in ZMT, but I never looked for them

Drop me a PM in case you need some more information or accompany to the areas described above.

If you want to enjoy your stay I recommend not to come on weekends. ZMT is overcrowded by backpacking HK mongers starting from Friday evening until Sunday evening.

LW

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Crazier
12-14-06, 02:35
lw.,

thanks for the speedy response.

as i will be with a very fussy business associate in zmt., we will focus on the karaoke and perhaps the massage places.

i myself like the bbs places and well see if i have time for that.

if i have time to make connection, it would be nice to put a face behind a nickname here. do pm me your cellphone.

personally, i do not like the smaller nature of zmt but its too early to make a judgement. i did like the late night drive around some zmt bbs that a driver and old hand took me around some months ago although i did not take any.
there was one sweetie that caught my eye and till today, i regret not checing her out - but, there are just so many sweeties in the whole of dg too!

the reason i will be restricted in zmt is because my hongkong - gz "host" will want to show off to me his relationships with the hotel solaris manager and his influence etc in the karaoke.

the last time he did and even dragged me to go to huge resort by the lake in tangxia just for lunch to show me what in his mind is a classy place!

i hear that the quality at the karaoke and sauna is great there. however, its not our kind of place nor our style to be "imprisoned" at one location !
hopefully, i don't get dragged there again for another time wasting meal.

Steve Steve
12-14-06, 06:23
Thinking of paying a visit to Bangkok or China in March. If any of you have spent time in Bangkok I'd be interested in how you'd compare Bangkok to Donguan in terms of the quality, service, and price of the women.

Thanks

Fast Eddie 48
12-14-06, 06:52
Thinking of paying a visit to Bangkok or China in March. If any of you have spent time in Bangkok I'd be interested in how you'd compare Bangkok to Donguan in terms of the quality, service, and price of the women.

Thanks

to steve


If you have never been to this two city this place is very different from each other and I have been to each city more than 10 times , I think for a newbie like yourself bangkok will be much better and easier to find girl because every thing is out in the open and the girl in bar will speak some english and is more foriegner friendly.

In Dongguan you need to know where to go , I like Dongguan and china for the better service and gfe experience but thai girl is better in bed . for both
country in sauna or massage palor will get you better serivce but price is higher than the bbs and the bar it depend on how much you want to spend.

fast eddie 48

Bonking
12-14-06, 10:42
I will be heading to Chang Ping around that time. Leave me your email address.


Bong King..Please PM me...I can't seem to send you a message..

Laowai123
12-14-06, 14:45
@ Crazier

I like ZMT, because it a small city and the location fits for my biz. Disadvantage when you live here is: Everybody sees and knows what you do, but that's their problem when they start talking about me.

Concerning your host:

I know these kind of people (especially Chinese) and I really don't like such people. I avoid them and when I am in I take the first exit to leave them. Showing oneselfs "guanxi" (connections) is aweful for me, they should do better biz instead. "You want my money, I tell you what to do!".

Here in ZMT I never met such person...maybe the reason is, that I look for HK and TW people, as they are also foreigner here.

Solaris is a nice hotel but not ideal for foreign guests, it's still a national hotel. Metropolitan is settled and you will find anything what you need/demand there.

I don't know to which places the taxi driver you brought, I am sure there are still some unexplored places here in ZMT, but as I know...the BBS place I described is the main one.

The huge resort is Tangxia Goodview, a 5/6 star resort with adequate entertainment spots like Prince Crown in HuangJiang.

I highly recommend to take your time and demand it from your host. Tell him that you have another biz contacts you want to meet or whatever. ZMT is not like CP or HouJie, but you find and get what you need. It depends on your needs, demands and expectations. Depending on them I can give you some on-site information or not. As I am on the way to settle a long time relation, I am not the monger you maybe expect...just to let you know in advance.

I will send you my cellphone number via PM.

LW

Pointpanic
12-14-06, 16:58
Thinking of paying a visit to Bangkok or China in March. If any of you have spent time in Bangkok I'd be interested in how you'd compare Bangkok to Donguan in terms of the quality, service, and price of the women.

Thanks Dear Steve, I went to Bangkok numerous times. If you are going alone and/or do not speak Chinese, then go to Bangkok. It is made for the foreign tourist, with hostess bars(soi 33) strip bars(soi nana and soi cowboy), beer bars(soi 7) massage parlors and there will be many other tourists that you will meet. As fast eddie said many of thai girls speak some english. There are a lot of things to see in Bangkok.
Changping is different in that it is not set up for tourists or persons who do not speak Chinese. There are plenty of barber shops and take out girls and many KTVs but no hostess bars, beer bars or strip clubs. There are no real places where a tourist who does not speak Chinese can hang out. I am not putting Changping down because it is full of attractive Chinese ladies.

Pointpanic
12-14-06, 17:15
Thinking of paying a visit to Bangkok or China in March. If any of you have spent time in Bangkok I'd be interested in how you'd compare Bangkok to Donguan in terms of the quality, service, and price of the women.

Thanks
Dear Steve you asked about quality, service and prices re Bangkok v. Changping. There are many more ladies in Bangkok which services millions of foreign mongers per year. Changping may be cheaper because the barber shop girls are about 300 to 400 yuan($37-50) KTV is expensive at 800 yuan for overnight. Bangkok has bar fines in hostess bars and strip bars but it is hard to get below $50. In general, Bangkok girls are more aggressive. Many Changping girls are right off the farm but are fun to be with because they are not so jaded. In general Thai women have bigger chests than Chinese girls.

OldAsiaHand
12-14-06, 19:19
Thinking of paying a visit to Bangkok or China in March. If any of you have spent time in Bangkok I'd be interested in how you'd compare Bangkok to Donguan in terms of the quality, service, and price of the women.

Thanks

Steve,

Having lived and visited in both China and Thailand for extensive periods of time, I would agree with the consensus here. CP is not for tourists and non-Chinese speakers. IMHO, the GFE hit rate is much higher in Thailand. Prices are about the same, maybe a bit cheaper for better quality talent in Bangkok.

OAH

ManonsanBoy
12-14-06, 22:02
CP is much better for mandarin speakers who do not speak Thai. Unless you speak Thai, there is still the language barrier in BKK. Girls are younger in CP; Most are out of the business by 25. BKK has smattering of Russians etc which is rare in CP. Been mongering since early 1970's; started off in BKK in fact. Amazing changes since then.

Sebastian My
12-15-06, 05:34
Thinking of paying a visit to Bangkok or China in March. If any of you have spent time in Bangkok I'd be interested in how you'd compare Bangkok to Donguan in terms of the quality, service, and price of the women.
Thanks

I think the consensus is for a non mandarin speaker Bangkok is easier than DongGuan – however a lot depends on the price point you are after. If you a prepared to hang around large hotels with KTV's and nighclubs you can get as many women as you like with minimal effort, but the cost is high – typically RM800-1000 for LT. If you go down this route, try and keep your activities to the week-nights – the weekends are typically rather busy due to the hordes of HK guys. Also be very choosy. If you are going to spend that kind of money, make sure you get a very good looking bird. The guys i always go with always rejects the first line up, or selection of girls – on principal.

But i have to agree with the other guys - If you want a cheap experience and you do not speak mandarin – then BKK is the best option. If you want a challenge, then go to DongGuan – i find it just too easy in Thailand.

But for quality – you generally get what you pay for. Both in DongGuan and Thailand the low cost girls – about the RM200-400 or Baht1250-2500 mark – are not exactly model material. I generally find the experience level of the low cost Thai girls is generally better, they are also more likely to provide CIM, anal and girl-on-girl activity. The low cost Chinese girls are normally less experienced and tend to have some unfortunate personal hygiene habits – they always seem to trash my bathroom for some strange reason - can be more smelly and dirty (but a quick bath will resolve that), but once cleaned up are generally nicer. I would rate them equal.

Each locations offers different special services, Bangkok has Japanese style soapy's, DongGuan offers BBS and fire and ice, etc. So you may make a decision based on the type of service you are after. If you thing is to get a BBBJ in a bar while you watch football, then Bangkok is the place. If you want your girl strapped up in red ribbons while providing you with a BBBJ, while upside down – then DongGuan is where you want to go.

As for high class model types – both Bangkok and DongGuan seem to be priced the same, in the RM800 or Baht5000 mark. These type of girls will normally be found in KTV's or night-clubs – i find Bangkok more organised with 3 classes and 3 sub-categories for each class – each with a standard price range. In DongGuan is more hit and miss – its far easier to get a RM800 dud in DongGuan than Bangkok. I generally find Bangkok better – except for one thing. There is a wide range of different girl types in DongGuan (Or in my case Houjie) tall, short, fair skinned, etc. There is less choice of Thai girl type in Bangkok.

Finally - i have found its possible to get a model class girl for the Baht3000 mark, including bar fine. These are normally girls working in stores during the day who want to make a few extra bucks at night. Unless you speak cantonese or pudgonwa i would suspect it would be impossible to do this in DongGuan.

Finally – non-local girls. Bangkok has a supply of non-Thai girls – DongGuan does not really have any non-Chinese girls i could find. But why go to Bangkok to spend time with an average Uzbek girl???

Finally transport – DongGuan is huge – from CP, to DongGuan proper and way out east to Hioujie – its huge. I find it takes a lot of effort to travel between major towns and as a laowai i always have to fight the taxi driver over the fare, which annoys me. You get ripped off in Bangkok also, but its minimal in price – lets say baht100 for a baht50 fare. In DongGuan you can spend a lot of money in taxi's. I normally stay in the town i visit – in my case i have only been to Houjie and to a lesser extend ChingPing. I have gone to a bar in DoingGuan once, many years ago, but i was not mongering then.

Finally – pick pockets are rife in DongGuan – so watch out.

Report Caveat (This is only my opinion, other may disagree) - I don't go to sauna's - so i have not provided any info on them. I have only been to DongGuan a dozen times, so am not an expert, while i have been to bangkok about a 100 times so know it better. (But my true mongering location is beijing - so i know northern china very well.)

Wadman
12-16-06, 04:18
Has anyone been to ChangPing recently (in the last 1 or 2 weeks)? What is the situation there regarding crackdowns? Are all BBSs still open, and located in their usual places? How about the Sauna's and KTVs?

I know some members posted reports about police harassing/arresting mommies, etc. BBSs, and small places are being hit hard in Shenzhen (hard enough to make me think twice), so I am thinking CP instead. Any info on the current situation in CP is much appreciated.

Member #4515
12-16-06, 16:34
Has anyone been to ChangPing recently (in the last 1 or 2 weeks)? What is the situation there regarding crackdowns? Are all BBSs still open, and located in their usual places? How about the Sauna's and KTVs?

I know some members posted reports about police harassing/arresting mommies, etc. BBSs, and small places are being hit hard in Shenzhen (hard enough to make me think twice), so I am thinking CP instead. Any info on the current situation in CP is much appreciated.Hi! Wademan.

Now I am in CP. Everthing is going alright here. Of course activities is not so hot as before. But everything going alright. Nothing really to worry about. If you
need further information. I pm you my contact number if you want.

Pointpanic
12-16-06, 22:52
Has anyone been to ChangPing recently (in the last 1 or 2 weeks)? What is the situation there regarding crackdowns? Are all BBSs still open, and located in their usual places? How about the Sauna's and KTVs?

I know some members posted reports about police harassing/arresting mommies, etc. BBSs, and small places are being hit hard in Shenzhen (hard enough to make me think twice), so I am thinking CP instead. Any info on the current situation in CP is much appreciated. Big Top is correct. Was in CP last week. The mamasans are hesitant to come out on the main streets but the action is still there. The restaurant across the street from Yalan Hotel had some real hotties.

Crazier
12-17-06, 03:55
Big Top is correct. Was in CP last week. The mamasans are hesitant to come out on the main streets but the action is still there. The restaurant across the street from Yalan Hotel had some real hotties.


Its a hard choice between the two and personally, I find that communication is the key.

Provided you can overcome the communication problem (and it can be a problem even for my better than bad Mandarin plus Cantonese),
overall, I would say that Chang Ping (in Dougguan) is better than Bangkok if you like the fair skinned variety of girls. I get more and better GFE here than in Bangkok and I live in Bangkok too so am no newbie there!

If you like beer bars & ago-gos then Bangkok is the place to be. I DISLIKE Karaokes and yet, in the relatively inexpensive best Karaokes of Chang Ping, I thrive and when I add in the absolutely wonderful gems I get to pick out of the BBS here without worries of "bar-fines" and terrible idea of "lady drinks" I gotta love Chang Ping.

For the day, the high quality foot and regular massage (non sex) type places here just blow Bangkok under the table! When you bring your bottle of Scotch there during the day and start a party, nothing in Bangkok compares of day time fun and recovery and the masseuse are generally younger and prettier and definitely open to propositions!

Again, when in China, you look for what they are good at here so forget about the mind-set of beer bars and ago gos and you will LOVE Chang Ping.

The above only my personal opinion!

Laowai123
12-17-06, 08:00
Hello,

I don't know if CP Peninsula is already known, at least the search did not get any result. If my information is right, it's a new hotel with entertainment in CP.

Was invited to CP Peninsula KTV yesterday; KTV at 3rd floor, room no. 377.

Room description:

- big room, we were at least 15 people (inkl. girls)
- 2 DJ's
- computer with internet, could check some foreign websites but did not check if ISG is accessible...if yes, you can post reports on-the-fly...
- balcony, to watch the stage show
- nice and comfortable room
- room charge: ?...sorry, forgot to ask

Girls selection:

What I could see was really not bad, some gems available; would have selected one or two, but I am out of biz at the moment, so did not select one;

Girls rates: Sorry, did not ask, but I assume as usual.

Attached are scans from the hotel biz card with a map how to go there.

Sorry, not a lot of information.

LW

One Wing Low
12-17-06, 19:23
Went to Hui Mei on Sunday night by recommendation by an ISG members. Went to the main stage. The place had about 50 girls and 10 customers. The mamasan brought over 20 girls, most below average. Picked a young girl with the prettiest face. She did not speak 1 word of English.

Ordered 2 beers and a basket of fruit. Her name was Xie Xie. She wanted to play the 5-dice game. She wrote down the house rate, 200Y for something, 500 ST and 800 LT. I wrote back OAH's rate of 100 ST and 200 LT. We haggled for a while. She called a guy who could speak English. He again explained to me the rate. I gave up the negiation. She was just sitting around eating fruit. Finally decided to take her for 800Y.

Walked 3 blocks back to the hotel Miraton at the center of town. Nice hotel with lots of marble. They charged the standard 300Y per night mongering rate, which is supposedly the lowest. There was a large wedding on the 2nd floor restaurant. The sexy hostess in her red silk dress was smiling, asking me if I wanted karaoke. Seems the Mariton has its own KTV somewhere.

The room was large and comfortable with WIFI. She took off her clothes and went for the shower. Her body was nice and sexy, but she was clearly a farm girl without the polishness of the city girls. Her right hip lost a big chunk of flesh leaving a big scar. She was rough and crude as we fucked, crying and moaning loudly with each thrust. I thought she was really enjoying it. I gave it to her harder and faster. Suddenly she pushed me off and made me pull out. She sat in the bed, crying softly, pointing at my hard dick, made the gestures that her snatch and her stomach were hurting. I wanted to resume fucking but she refused. She started crying and yelling at me. She called a few people on her mobile, crying, yelling loudly. Her tears were everywhere.

I gave her 2 fingers, implying that I would only give her 200Y and told her to leave. She kept saying 'Papa' and made the sign of a pistol with her fingers at her head, crying. I called security. The female guard showed up after a long time, a nice, polite young woman, very doable herself with the hard on I still had. She talked to the girl and calmly said the girl wanted 200 Y and would leave. It was like a family quarel. There were no threatening moves by anyone. The girl was crying and wailing loudly in the corridor. I gave her 200Y. She quickly left the scene. There were half a dozen girls/oldder men coming and going at the elevator. Nobody paid attention to the commotion.

Ended up going to Hui Hua KTV next to the Mariton at 2AM. The club is on 3rd floor, has about 30 karaoke rooms but no big stage like the Hui Mei. There were a few nice young girls milling around, but no star quality. The young manager was showing me around the club, but the girls were mostly gone. I wanted the pretty young girl at the entrance, but he said, no no that is the waitress. This guy was nice and polite, spoke with an American accent, and was really trying to help me. Paid the club 100Y bar fine and took the young mamasan. She looked extremely sexy and sophisticated in her tight blue mamasan uniform. She was disappointed that I only wanted ST. She has a pretty face, smooth light skin and a very nice, sexy body with no blemishes, unlike the rough farm girl before her. She's probably in her late 20's, very nice and sweet but only speaks 1 or 2 words of English.

She made me take a shower and took a long one herself. We had sex in bed. She too was crying, moaning loudly, with each thrust, thrashing wildly in the large bed. WTF? But I could tell she was enjoying it. She would not let me kiss her in her mouth. After I came, she rode me cow girl, putting my semi limp dick into her tight pussy, trying a few time to get more ride out of me. I was thinking I should be charging her the KTV rate!

She took another shower. I gave her 500Y. She was lingering, not leaving immediately. SHe had 2 mobiles with her, which were ringing every few minutes. She gave me her tel #, gesturing I should call. We hugged and kissed then she left.

I would do her again, but she did not have the looks and the porn-star qualities like Ting Hua, the KTV girl I did in SZ. It was really like making love with that sweetheart Ting Hua in the fancy hotel in SZ.

Life is good.

Legal Lad
12-17-06, 19:55
Sorry to hear about your bad experiences One Wing..But alls well that ends well, and you hooked up with a nice looking mammie.

But just thought I would chime in with the pricing you were given 200, 500, 800. These rates are pretty standard in "large" KTVs in changping. You really were not being ripped off. I'll let OAH speak for himself, but I think OAH's rate are usually in regards to BBS girls, OAH has never been a huge fan of the KTV scene.

I'm the exact opposite. I like chatting, drinking, dancing, singing, and playing that "stupid" dice game. But to each his own :)

'lad

Brannoch
12-18-06, 00:22
I stayed in the Jia Hua last week. I speak no Mandarin or Cantonese at all. After reading this forum, I was not so optimistic.

However, one of the doormen approached me. He speaks some english, and sent me a quite nice girl.

Brannoch

OldAsiaHand
12-18-06, 05:32
She wrote down the house rate, 200Y for something, 500 ST and 800 LT. I wrote back OAH's rate of 100 ST and 200 LT. We haggled for a while. She called a guy who could speak English. He again explained to me the rate. I gave up the negiation. She was just sitting around eating fruit. Finally decided to take her for 800Y.


OWL:

I thought my SMS was clear. I am sorry I could not give you more details when you called me but I was not in a position to talk about mongering at that moment. I told you to take a taxi to the Yalan Hotel for 15 RMB and follow one of the mamas to the BBS. 100 RMB to the mama and another 100 ST or 400 LT to the girl. I also suggested the Virgin Sauna for FS ST at 268 + 300 tips. I never mentioned KTV. Legal Lad is correct 200/500/800; Sitting/ST/LT, is standard for CP KTV, but I almost never do KTV girls. IMHO, you have just as much chance of a bad experience for 500 RMB as you do for 200 RMB, and I am not a fan of the chatting, singing, playing, drinking, etc. I just want to get down to the business and go for round two. Finally, KTV is not much fun by yourself. You really need a bunch of guys for it.

Just my POV.

OAH

One Wing Low
12-18-06, 08:20
Hi OAH,

I was not trying to fault you. I was just throwing your figures at the girls to shock them. I did agree to take her out all night for 800Y. You and a few other bro's have been very hospitable.

Looks like the young girl was trying to recover the 200Y sitting fee or the papasan would blow her brain out. I will go back and give her some money for her time and her bruising pussy.

Chalk one blunder up for lack of knowledge of local language and customs, but that is the fun of exotic travel.


OWL:

I thought my SMS was clear. I am sorry I could not give you more details when you called me but I was not in a position to talk about mongering at that moment. I told you to take a taxi to the Yalan Hotel for 15 RMB and follow one of the mamas to the BBS. 100 RMB to the mama and another 100 ST or 400 LT to the girl. I also suggested the Virgin Sauna for FS ST at 268 + 300 tips. I never mentioned KTV. Legal Lad is correct 200/500/800; Sitting/ST/LT, is standard for CP KTV, but I almost never do KTV girls. IMHO, you have just as much chance of a bad experience for 500 RMB as you do for 200 RMB, and I am not a fan of the chatting, singing, playing, drinking, etc. I just want to get down to the business and go for round two. Finally, KTV is not much fun by yourself. You really need a bunch of guys for it.

Just my POV.

OAH

AquaSponge1
12-18-06, 09:51
Just got into Shenzhen from Suzhou...will be in CP on 21 December and staying at the Hui Hua Hotel...if any fellow mongers like to hook up, PM me!

Cheers!

Minkfan1
12-18-06, 10:18
Hi guys,

I was reading that there are direct trains from HK to CP via Hung Hum KCR station. I was wondering how does it work? Does the train go straight pass the HK/China border and you go through the immigration work when you arrive in CP? Instead of being a tour guide for my friend, I'm thinking I might just ask him to meet me in CP next time. He doesn't speak a lick of Chinese, maybe he knows how to say "xiao didi" "xiao meimei" from our last trip together. So I'd like to make it as simple as possible for him from HK.

thanks,

minkfan

Hohoho
12-18-06, 19:36
Went to Hui Mei on Sunday night by recommendation by an ISG members. Went to the main stage. The place had about 50 girls and 10 customers. The mamasan brought over 20 girls, most below average. Picked a young girl with the prettiest face. She did not speak 1 word of English.

Ordered 2 beers and a basket of fruit. Her name was Xie Xie. She wanted to play the 5-dice game. She wrote down the house rate, 200Y for something, 500 ST and 800 LT. I wrote back OAH's rate of 100 ST and 200 LT. We haggled for a while. She called a guy who could speak English. He again explained to me the rate. I gave up the negiation. She was just sitting around eating fruit. Finally decided to take her for 800Y.

Walked 3 blocks back to the hotel Miraton at the center of town. Nice hotel with lots of marble. They charged the standard 300Y per night mongering rate, which is supposedly the lowest. There was a large wedding on the 2nd floor restaurant. The sexy hostess in her red silk dress was smiling, asking me if I wanted karaoke. Seems the Mariton has its own KTV somewhere.

The room was large and comfortable with WIFI. She took off her clothes and went for the shower. Her body was nice and sexy, but she was clearly a farm girl without the polishness of the city girls. Her right hip lost a big chunk of flesh leaving a big scar. She was rough and crude as we fucked, crying and moaning loudly with each thrust. I thought she was really enjoying it. I gave it to her harder and faster. Suddenly she pushed me off and made me pull out. She sat in the bed, crying softly, pointing at my hard dick, made the gestures that her snatch and her stomach were hurting. I wanted to resume fucking but she refused. She started crying and yelling at me. She called a few people on her mobile, crying, yelling loudly. Her tears were everywhere.

I gave her 2 fingers, implying that I would only give her 200Y and told her to leave. She kept saying 'Papa' and made the sign of a pistol with her fingers at her head, crying. I called security. The female guard showed up after a long time, a nice, polite young woman, very doable herself with the hard on I still had. She talked to the girl and calmly said the girl wanted 200 Y and would leave. It was like a family quarel. There were no threatening moves by anyone. The girl was crying and wailing loudly in the corridor. I gave her 200Y. She quickly left the scene. There were half a dozen girls/oldder men coming and going at the elevator. Nobody paid attention to the commotion.

Ended up going to Hui Hua KTV next to the Mariton at 2AM. The club is on 3rd floor, has about 30 karaoke rooms but no big stage like the Hui Mei. There were a few nice young girls milling around, but no star quality. The young manager was showing me around the club, but the girls were mostly gone. I wanted the pretty young girl at the entrance, but he said, no no that is the waitress. This guy was nice and polite, spoke with an American accent, and was really trying to help me. Paid the club 100Y bar fine and took the young mamasan. She looked extremely sexy and sophisticated in her tight blue mamasan uniform. She was disappointed that I only wanted ST. She has a pretty face, smooth light skin and a very nice, sexy body with no blemishes, unlike the rough farm girl before her. She's probably in her late 20's, very nice and sweet but only speaks 1 or 2 words of English.

She made me take a shower and took a long one herself. We had sex in bed. She too was crying, moaning loudly, with each thrust, thrashing wildly in the large bed. WTF? But I could tell she was enjoying it. She would not let me kiss her in her mouth. After I came, she rode me cow girl, putting my semi limp dick into her tight pussy, trying a few time to get more ride out of me. I was thinking I should be charging her the KTV rate!

She took another shower. I gave her 500Y. She was lingering, not leaving immediately. SHe had 2 mobiles with her, which were ringing every few minutes. She gave me her tel #, gesturing I should call. We hugged and kissed then she left.

I would do her again, but she did not have the looks and the porn-star qualities like Ting Hua, the KTV girl I did in SZ. It was really like making love with that sweetheart Ting Hua in the fancy hotel in SZ.

Life is good.What a CHEAP Bastard you are!

There is NO WAY a Hui Mei KTV gal would charge only 100 for ST and 200 for for LT !!!!!

Let me tell you another thing! The 2nd girl you had was not a "mamasan" ! Mamasan at Hui Hua do not wear BLUE uniform! I reckon those were just the leftover KTV girl wearing the "air-hostess" uniform! You surely have been riped off, you [Deleted by Admin]! *LOL*

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Pointpanic
12-18-06, 23:10
Hi guys,

I was reading that there are direct trains from HK to CP via Hung Hum KCR station. I was wondering how does it work? Does the train go straight pass the HK/China border and you go through the immigration work when you arrive in CP? Instead of being a tour guide for my friend, I'm thinking I might just ask him to meet me in CP next time. He doesn't speak a lick of Chinese, maybe he knows how to say "xiao didi" "xiao meimei" from our last trip together. So I'd like to make it as simple as possible for him from HK.

thanks,

minkfanThe train goes non stop from CP to Kowloon and vice versa. The immigration is done at each terminal and not at the border. You can not get on the train in HK without Chinese visa. Likewise, the passengers in CP have to show permit to go to HK or have foreign passports to go to HK.

Menkki Kam
12-18-06, 23:57
Hey, what's good, fellow borthers?

I'm going to changping this Friday. I'm actually living in Europe.

Just wanna know where are the best and new places to go. Meaning KTV's.

I've been to hui hua, I really liked it there, The room is good, ( need big rooms, cos of a 10 - guy party ). Amazon was a little too small and cheap - looking, but the chicks were a lot. There were like probably 100 girls at the big lounge, when i went there last march. Crown Prince wasn't as good as I thought.

But all I wanna ask is about the new places and good going places.

Some girl told me about Jia Yi, and that a most of the girls from Amazon has went there?

Any guides? Would be appreciated.

thank you

One Wing Low
12-19-06, 03:52
After arriving at hotel, ask the hotel to provide a driver if you want to do sight seeing. They are usually much cheaper and safer than the taxi. the drivers can take you to any KTV or BBS, and can also provide any girls to your liking.

You can also call Sali, the driver 1 321 532 8857 . If you contact him directly, his rate is 100Y per hour. If the hotel does it, they will tack on 100Y per hour profit.

The best girl I had an overnight with is A Xa, 1 312 815 1592. She has a pretty, innocent face and an incredibly sexy body. Her skin is milky white, soft, smooth and flawless. She looks very young but wears a worn out wedding band and has a picture of a baby boy in her cell phone. She takes care of you like her BF and charges 800Y over night. She's a good lay, expresses a lot of joy in bed. Will post her pics when I get home.


Jia Jia 1 372 457 1363, is the mamasan at the HuiHua KTV next to the Miraton hotel. She's in her late 20's but looks good.

Xiao Ma, 1 312 815 1592, is the escort I went sight seeing with. She's in her mid 20's and charges 500Y for the 3 hours she was with me. It may be better to select the all-night girl in the afternoon and go out with her to save a separate escort cost. There are many old, balding men pairing up with very young and pretty girls in Chong Ping.

Fast Eddie 48
12-19-06, 07:16
What a CHEAP Bastard you are !!

There is NO WAY a Hui Mei KTV gal would charge only 100 for ST and 200 for for LT!

Let me tell you another thing ! the 2nd girl you had was not a "mamasan" !

Mamasan at Hui Hua do not wear BLUE uniform! I reckon those were just the leftover KTV girl wearing the "air-hostess" uniform! You surely have been riped off, you dumb shit! *LOL*


to hohoho

I don't know which hole you come out from you should not call any member name and you are just a newbie with 2 post , if you read one wing low and oah post more careful you should know 200 is for bbs girl , both of this member is senior member with many post and contribution to isg so be nice to
other member and hohoho to you too.

fast eddie 48

Prince Leo
12-19-06, 08:09
What a CHEAP Bastard you are !!

There is NO WAY a Hui Mei KTV gal would charge only 100 for ST and 200 for for LT!

Let me tell you another thing ! the 2nd girl you had was not a "mamasan" !

Mamasan at Hui Hua do not wear BLUE uniform! I reckon those were just the leftover KTV girl wearing the "air-hostess" uniform! You surely have been riped off, you dumb shit! *LOL*

Hmmmm....this guy sounds like Stanly Ho? Am I the only one who has this feeling?

Weelock
12-19-06, 09:50
I would not call "One Wing Low" a cheap Bastard. I have looked at some of his previous post and some are very good and detailed. The problem I see he didn't read some of the earlier posts on Dongguan or China (RTFF). For example, the price structure of the KTV has been talked about serveral times before. The most recent best price structure was from "Transporter", (135, 136, 147). and this is for the low end KTV. There is also another one ( post ) from "Sebastian My". Yes, there is NO way long term is for 200RMB at a KTV in Changping. Luckily, "One Wing Low" did NOT go to a very very high end KTV in another city like Shenzhen or Beijing that changes from 1000 to some where 2000RMB for LT and something like 600-1000 for ST.

I believe he might own the girl some money since 200 is just to talk and drink.


What a CHEAP Bastard you are !!

There is NO WAY a Hui Mei KTV gal would charge only 100 for ST and 200 for for LT!

Let me tell you another thing ! the 2nd girl you had was not a "mamasan" !

Mamasan at Hui Hua do not wear BLUE uniform! I reckon those were just the leftover KTV girl wearing the "air-hostess" uniform! You surely have been riped off, you dumb shit! *LOL*


Not exactly.
A lot of the cheaper KTV's (135, 136, 147) are open during the afternoon. They open around 2:30-3:30 and stay open until they open for regular business. Just that in the afternoon before the rooms are open, they work like a BBS. That gives the girls a chance to go out, and come back in before they open for regular business. And that gives us a chance to try a whole lot of them out without going to the KTV.

Diver69
12-19-06, 10:29
Will be going to CP in 2 days. Want to try some of the legot massage there.

Wonder if anyone has any recommendation and idea on prices?

Sorry, I know I should RTFF, but I am sitting in a internet cafe in Phillipines, and don't really have the time to browse thru all the postings. I tried the search, but not very successful.

Thanks in advance.

Fast Eddie 48
12-19-06, 17:52
Will be going to CP in 2 days. Want to try some of the legot massage there.

Wonder if anyone has any recommendation and idea on prices?

Sorry, I know I should RTFF, but I am sitting in a internet cafe in Phillipines, and don't really have the time to browse thru all the postings. I tried the search, but not very successful.

Thanks in advance.


to diver 69

You want a what massage in CP logot or you mean legit , why do you want to
go to CP for a legit massage if you find one let me know .


fast eddie 48

Legal Lad
12-19-06, 19:04
Eddie,

Actually, I go to legit massage place when I am in CP. A nice way to pass the day if I'm not there golfing. The place I go to is the New Century Hotel. However, it is not in the hotel itself. It is in the annex directly behind the hotel in a free standing building. I seem to remember the rate is 60RMB/hour foot or full body massage.

Its nice, clean, and professional. Definitely not a bad place if you tired from the prior night's activities.

'lad

Transporter
12-19-06, 20:59
Will be going to CP in 2 days. Want to try some of the legot massage there.

Wonder if anyone has any recommendation and idea on prices?

Sorry, I know I should RTFF, but I am sitting in a internet cafe in Phillipines, and don't really have the time to browse thru all the postings. I tried the search, but not very successful.

Thanks in advance.


If you're looking for a legit massage, then I would recommend the Flower massage, its in the same triangle as virgin and hui mei. The rate is really high at 50/hour, but the place is very high class.

Pointpanic
12-19-06, 21:33
Hey, what's good, fellow borthers?

I'm going to changping this Friday. I'm actually living in Europe.

Just wanna know where are the best and new places to go. Meaning KTV's.

I've been to hui hua, I really liked it there, The room is good, ( need big rooms, cos of a 10 - guy party ). Amazon was a little too small and cheap - looking, but the chicks were a lot. There were like probably 100 girls at the big lounge, when i went there last march. Crown Prince wasn't as good as I thought.

But all I wanna ask is about the new places and good going places.

Some girl told me about Jia Yi, and that a most of the girls from Amazon has went there?

Any guides? Would be appreciated.

thank you If you liked Hui Hua you will like the Jia Yi. The "flower street" has about 600 girls. Grab them as you go but you will switch as you go. It is a real trip. The old timers here recommend the Hui Mei KTV. And if you are with KTV guys you may like the Crown Prince.

Last time we went into the Lucky Silver or Lucky something KTV before it opened. It is across from the Yalan Hotel. It is a small KTV but it looked like "anything goes" type place.

Fast Eddie 48
12-19-06, 22:41
New 5 star hotel just open in Dalang town in Dongguan 30 min drive from CP 468 room starting at 600 rmb a night , friend of my was there yesterday he told me the foriegn businessman club a large buliding next to the hotel with ktv and sauna inside girl is hot many model price start at 1000 rmb for LT.

Try to tell book a room there for next month for a few night , if any one have
been there let me know about the service in their sauna .


fast eddie 48

One Wing Low
12-20-06, 01:23
I haggled with Sali about the fare going from Chong Ping to ZhuHai, finaly agreed on 500Y. The drive from Chong Ping took 2.5 hours. The high way is 6 lanes of new, clean pavement. Road signs are all dual Chinese/English. On either sides of the highways are mostly vacant land with occasionally industrial parks and univeritites.Traffic was very light. Sali was going at about 50 MPH.

ZhuHai is leafy seaside resort town with fancy hotels, restaurants, stores... Got in at about 2:30, checked into the GuangDong Regency hotel on Lotus road, walked the 2 short blocks to the famous Luhoulu shoppping area. There were thousands of people strolling the street or sitting around open air bar, drinking.

Despite the recent crack downs, there were hundreds of very good-looking young, sexy girls strolling the street looking for johns. Girls are everywhere, wall-to-wall, some look very young and very pretty. I just sat down to have a cup of coffee. A bunch of sweet-looking girls swarmed around us, speaking long strings of Chinese, smiling shyly, tugging on me trying to sell their company. We seem to attract them like flies! They pass out little cards with their Chinese names and tel numers. The guys said it's 200Y for ST and 500Y all night. This must be a paradise. I should have skipped all other places in the world and come here first. The hundreds of young girls are extremely sweet-looking, probably the best in China, donning hip street clothes. Finally decided to go with Bin Bin, the sweetest-looking young girl, taking her back to the hotel. The guys said, do her or you may not see her again.

Bin Bin has a small, lean but proportionate body without blemishes. Her breasts are 2 round B-sized melons hanging way out in front of her small frame. She has the sweet face of the models, always smiling sweetly. Besides some light eye shade, she wears no make up or fragrance. Her lips are naturally bright pink without lipstick. She was very talkative with long strings of CHinese which I did not understand 1 word. We were kidding around in sign language, then she went for the shower. I waited with the camera ready as she came out with a towel around her lithe body. She immediately covered herself up, went back to the toilet with long strings of protest and pouting.

Got her on the bed. She was playing with my dick, trying to get it hard with a BBBJ. She was smiling sweetly, making a lot of comments about my dick and the rest of my body which I did not understand. She got on me CG, closed her eyes and started pumping me. It was a very sweet sight. Pinned her down in bed, doing missionary. She had her eyes closed, both arms embracing my lower back, actively participated in each thrust. She was moaning and hissing out of her sexy mouth. I sucked on her soft and creamy breasts and her peachy young face. There was a faint smell of sweat from her silky black hair. I came big time and she was still bucking under me trying to prolong the ride.

Like other CHinese girls, she was relly enjoying sex and not afraid to show it. This must be some of the best and cheapest sex I ever had. These Chinese girls are expressive, better looking, have better manners, feel much better in the sack, and seem to be much happier than street girls anywhere else.

ZhuHai would beat all other mongering locations in my book. I made plans to cancel future visits to Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Brazil, Argentina....This is the only mongering place worth going for my taste of beauties....

Hohoho
12-20-06, 08:56
"Zhuhai OMG" I doubt it!

I've never seen a pretty ones on those streets!

I've heard many ripping off stories of those street girls!

Hohoho
12-20-06, 09:02
to hohoho

I don't know which hole you come out from you should not call any member name and you are just a newbie with 2 post , if you read one wing low and oah post more careful you should know 200 is for bbs girl , both of this member is senior member with many post and contribution to isg so be nice to
other member and hohoho to you too.

fast eddie 48What? are you saying it is right asking for a BBS rate for gals at a 5-star hotel KTV? I would never do such a "cheap act"!

PD Maniac
12-21-06, 00:42
First time in Changping from Dec 9-15. I visited 4 ktvs there, PP, Jia Yi Hotel (Tao Yun KTV), hui Hua and Peninsula. Jia Yi was my favorite because of the gauntlet of 300 girls. Remember to get there early at all the ktvs because the hotties are taken before 7pm. Prices are all 2, 5, 8. If you like a girl, you can have her sit for 10 min while the mamis continue bringing more. Then if you see something else, you can trade. You can also ask the mami what services the girls perform. One night I was stuck with a girl that doesnt BJ.

Went to the sauna at Virgin Hotel. Its not the main hotel entrance, off the side street. For 261 room fee (roughly, I forgot) + 300 tip, you get great fs. Fire, ice, catlick, etc. The girls were young and some cute.

For legit massage, I went to Royal something. From the Hui Mei to Miraton direction, its about 1 mile down. They have sauna, jacuzzi, lounge, games, food, etc. They offer a variety of massages. The thai massage was one of the best I ever had. I think better than Thailand. Tips are expected there, 30rmb for 1hr. 1 hr is actually 45 mins of service. You will have to sign the massage bill in the room after your massage and offer the proper tip. Cost is roughly 120 massage, 90 tip and 70 sauna fee for 3 hrs of massage. You can hang out there as long as you like.

The foot massage places also have good massages and much cheaper. Ask for 2 hours, they will work on your shoulder/back for 30 min, foot for 30 min, thighs for 30 min and flip you over on your stomach and work your back some more for 30 min.

On my last night there, I was a little low on cash. My boy gave me this number to a mama and the girls are 18-22. I believe these are bbs girls that does outcall (not sure). I saw about 10 girls (2 at a time) and I picked 2 I thought were nice. I did send 8 away and they didn't give me a hard time about it. They look like ktv girls and they don't stink. For 150 each (1 did fire), I doubt I'm taking a ktv girl out. KTVs for me now is drinking with buddies and playing drinking games with the girls.

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Rising Son
12-21-06, 07:00
Looks to me like HoHoHo has the trappings of a serial antagonist. Read all (all FOUR) of his posts and see whether you agree. Nothing positive, no useful information, just rude contradictions.

RS

Hohoho
12-21-06, 09:41
Remember buddies! KTV is a place to spend your $$$$ and enjoy the service, if you want to act like what "OWL" does in these places. Forget it ! forget about KTV and should head straight to the BBS place !

Minkfan1
12-22-06, 06:07
Hi all,

Just wanted to double check who should be tipped at the KTV's, besides the girls and DJ of course. I've always had assistant mommies, mommies, and/or managers that sit through the night with us. I guess it's because I don't go in big groups. Usually it's just me and one friend.

My question is, should I tip the assistant mommies, mommies, or managers? I certainly did not invite them in. They just showed up and stayed, drinking my alcohol and eating my food.

Any advice?

minkfan

BigLauda
12-22-06, 06:19
Hi all,

Just wanted to double check who should be tipped at the KTV's, besides the girls and DJ of course. I've always had assistant mommies, mommies, and/or managers that sit through the night with us. I guess it's because I don't go in big groups. Usually it's just me and one friend.

My question is, should I tip the assistant mommies, mommies, or managers? I certainly did not invite them in. They just showed up and stayed, drinking my alcohol and eating my food.

Any advice?

minkfan

Don't tip the mommies, their assistant or the managers. You only need to tip the KJ/DJs. However if you want some favour from them then money talks!

Legal Lad
12-22-06, 21:51
Mink,

It's not necessary to tip the mommies, etc, BUT if you see yourself becomming a regular cutomer at the particular KTV, tipping goes a long way. My favorite KTV is the Crown Prince. I normally tip everyone, including the General Manager of the Opera House, as I get the parade of managers everytime I visit. I'll be the first to say money talks, but when I go, I'm treated like a superVIP, and presented with the best choices, comped suites, and things like free booze, room fee etc.

Take that for what you will :)

'lad

Minkfan1
12-23-06, 06:50
Hi BigLauda and Legal Lad,

Thanks for the pointer. Legal Lad, I guess you're right about tipping well if one visits often. People like you are the reason why my friend and I only saw crap at Crown Prince that night. J/K My friend is so upset from that night that he reminds me every time I see him.

I guess since I only go to China once a year, it will be difficult for me to build that kind of relationship with management there. I'll conserve my cash and go the "da ting" option. If I'm not shown anything I want, I can always pay the negligible fee and go to the saunas.

I'll definitely keep these pointers mind for next time.

thanks,

minkfan

Santa
12-23-06, 15:08
Despite the recent crack downs, there were hundreds of very good-looking young, sexy girls strolling the street looking for johns.

....

I think this is not true, and I think Johnny Kon will confirm. You will never see "hundreds" of girls on Lian Hua Lu looking for johns. The most I have ever seen was maybe thirty or forty, and that was on a very busy night about a year ago, at times I have seen only three or four.

The best time is around 2:30 am to 3:30am. At the north end of the umbrella stands about twenty sauna girls will gather on the corner looking for customers. The problem is, most of these Zhuhai girls do not want to fuck white guys and the service is often bad.

Diver69
12-30-06, 06:20
Was in DG twice recently - back at end of Nov and just before Christmas. Unfortunately, wasn't able to hook up with Bill Lee and OAH coz they were not there in Nov and I could log on to ISG from California Red Internet Cafe on the second trip.

Anyway, took the train from Luo Hu to DG back at end of Nov and stayed there for 3 days. Instead of staying at the more expensive Miraton, I decided to just stay close to action at Yalan Hotel. It was 182 RMB per night and the room was actually quite acceptable. Large room with mini fridge and tv. It's a much nicer room than the ST room I had last year - they must be a different category of room.

During the Nov trip, there was only small number of mommies around. I was told LE was around. Met this mommie called Hong Ling (Rainbow Bell). She took me to her shop where there were about 20 girls (the first shop behind Yalan). Took one from her and the rest of the time, she just brought girls to my room and I was always satisfied with her offers. Had a threesome once with two of her girls for 350 RMB. Nothing special - I would rather go with just one girl at a time. For the three days, I only took one girl from another shop (across the road from Yalan) called Yang Yan - a little heavy but big tits (my type) and she was my last girl of the trip and I was pretty much drained by then so asked her to do CIM which she complied - although she almost puked after...hahahahaha

Took the bus from Li Siang Lou Hotel (Don't know English name) to Huang Gang fr 35 RMB, and then direct mini van to HK Airport for 140 RMB.

Overall, had 8 girls (all ST) during my 3 days. All 200 RMB a piece other than the Suang Fei which was 350 for two. Good times, nothing extraordinary....all the girls I had were really my type - young, cute, big tits.

As an aside, I was in Jakarta in Nov, and had the best experience at Jalan Industri shop - will post my experience there soon.

Part 2 of DG trip next.

Diver69
12-30-06, 06:35
Second trip to DG was just before Christmas and that saw me taking bus from HK Airport to Huang Gang for 100 HKD. Then a bus from Huang Gang to DG bus station for around 32 RMB (I think).

Stayed at Yalan again and go the same room #411. Called up Hong Ling again and this time she really disappointed. First time she brought a really skinny girl with huge racks...I like the racks, but she was really too skinny for me. Service was good, but skinniness really bothered me.

Rest of the trip Hong Ling kept bringing girls over that just did't do anything for me, so I ventured out and tried the Yalan Nightclub a couple of times and other shops across from Yalan Hotel. Had this cute chubby (actually, fat) girl from Yalan Nightclub - huge racks (of course) and very friendly....

Never made it to legit massage - may be next time. Took a walk around the walking street (actually 2 parallel streets closed off to vehicles) near the Li Siang Lou Hotel (Lychee Fragrance Tower Hotel - literal translation). Streets were full of clothing shops at reasonable prices. Tried to log on to ISG from the web cafe California Red, but couldn't. They must have blocked this site on their PCs. That's why I wasn't able to contact Bill Lee when I was there (sorry Bill). I will have to bring my laptop next time.

Anyway, wwas there for 2 days and had 5 girls. All were fun and offered standard services. Most girls offered what I called simulated ass rim - they will lick your balls and below, but never quite make it to the sensitive part of the ass hole....

Overall, it was a fun trip. Will try to post some pics soon. Didn't get too many pics as most of the girls were not agreeable to having their pics taken.

Was also in Pattaya and Jakarta this trip and will post reports on those threads too.

Sorry for these not so detailed reports - I generally do not go into great details of the sex acts themselves (as they all seem to blur from one girl into another).

Cheers.

Rising Son
12-31-06, 02:21
Hi, Everybody --

I've got a ticket to Shenzhen on the 3rd of March and am heading to CP on that evening. Problem is, my Chinese visa.

I'm leaving the States for SE Asia in about six days and it's going to be tight to get the visa here. Does anyone know how easy/hard/impossible it will be to get one in Phnom Penh?

Any guidance will be appreciated. It's pretty much an all-day thing just for me to get to the Chinese consulate here and then another day to go back and pick up the visa. If it can be done in PP, that would be great.

Anyone konw?

Thanks,

RS