Racism against foreigners in Thailand [Archive] - Page 3

Warbucks

10-01-08, 04:29

i still don't know the answer to this question: why is it that the darker your skin, the worse deal you get in society, no matter which country.

maybe there's a sociologist on this site who can help us out with this disturbing question. i was hoping opebo would help, with his memories of his first-year sociology classes, but that was too long ago and he gave up. anyone else have the answer?

pipe if you are serious about this question then you answer is simple. it is simply racism. i will use my home america since that is what i am familiar with. back in the early 20th century school funding for white kids was over $100 while for blacks was like $20. keep in mind that similar things are happening today. so you have inadequate schooling from eons ago which creates a cycle of poverty. inadequate schooling means inadequate jobs. not to mention a lot of black families in the us are in a state of disarray. single mother, single father kids being raised by grandparents etc…this whole scenario has played out all over the world.

a great portion of this mentally has been perpetuated by white european colonist. take for example rwanda. the belgians divided the two tribes the hutu and tutsi. the belgians treated the tutsi better simply because they had lighter skin and more european features. they gave them better education/jobs etc…which caused resentment from the hutu which led to the massacre.

also there as mick licker said it’s just natural to discriminate against others that’s the sad truth. they did a study recently in new york where two guys went and applied for jobs. one white, one black. same resume only the white guy had a prison record. guess what the white guy still got hired more times then the black guy.

the world is in general agreement that white skin equals wealth, intelligence, beauty, and good. while black equals poor, dumb, ugly, and criminal. when a black guy does something one thing i have noticed while traveling overseas is that it burns an image in the local population. when a white guy behaves like a savage all is forgotten rather quickly and he is held accountable and only him not his whole race. examples in thailand: nigerian drug smugglers/scam artist, white european ****s.

institutionalized racism against those with dark skin has led to a cycle of poverty and discrimination that will never be broken. some do get lucky and pull themselves up but they are a minority.

M P Lurker

10-01-08, 05:25

Even though I'm not a big Charlton Heston fan, I think "Planet of the Apes" is great movie to show what it is like when the shoe is on the other foot.
Plenty of other great movies come to mind to: "To Kill a Mockingbird", "The Green Mile" , anything with Denzel Washington, I like.

Is it enough to disprove racism if we have a friend or more from many different Nationalities?
e.g. In my case, an Egyptian, a Muslim Turk (a guy of the very best character I ever met), a couple of Indians and Sri Lankans, a black girl from Jamaica, another from Martinique, a mixed colour girl from Mauritius, a Kenyan, a Brazilian, a Burmese, a couple of Koreans, a few Chinese, a few Europeans, many Thais, etc.

But there are still other Countries that I would be wary of due to possibly unfounded assumptions/categorisations. I think its O.K. if we can allow individuals to overcome our pre-conceived natural bias.

Do racists generally not wish to have sex with girls from certain countries? Or is sex an activity partially exempt from Racism?

Shit! I don't know any Japanese girls! But my GF has a couple of Japanese friends from English class.
Shit. I have never had sex with an Indian girl nor an Eskimo. This also needs to be fixed some time. Have had sex with girls from virtually every contient or region. I did get a hot lap dance from a Pakistan girl but I think I am yet to have sex with one. I have had an Iranian girl.

Lover Boy #2

10-01-08, 05:40

pipe if you are serious about this question then you answer is simple. it is simply racism. i will use my home america since that is what i am familiar with. back in the early 20th century school funding for white kids was over $100 while for blacks was like $20. keep in mind that similar things are happening today. so you have inadequate schooling from eons ago which creates a cycle of poverty. inadequate schooling means inadequate jobs. not to mention a lot of black families in the us are in a state of disarray. single mother, single father kids being raised by grandparents etc…this whole scenario has played out all over the world.

a great portion of this mentally has been perpetuated by white european colonist. take for example rwanda. the belgians divided the two tribes the hutu and tutsi. the belgians treated the tutsi better simply because they had lighter skin and more european features. they gave them better education/jobs etc…which caused resentment from the hutu which led to the massacre.

also there as mick licker said it’s just natural to discriminate against others that’s the sad truth. they did a study recently in new york where two guys went and applied for jobs. one white, one black. same resume only the white guy had a prison record. guess what the white guy still got hired more times then the black guy.

the world is in general agreement that white skin equals wealth, intelligence, beauty, and good. while black equals poor, dumb, ugly, and criminal. when a black guy does something one thing i have noticed while traveling overseas is that it burns an image in the local population. when a white guy behaves like a savage all is forgotten rather quickly and he is held accountable and only him not his whole race. examples in thailand: nigerian drug smugglers/scam artist, white european ****s.

institutionalized racism against those with dark skin has led to a cycle of poverty and discrimination that will never be broken. some do get lucky and pull themselves up but they are a minority.

....seems like a long explanation for a guy who smelled the cooking........ (i.e. "even i picked up on this one")....maybe not?

M P Lurker

10-01-08, 05:53

when a black guy does something one thing i have noticed while traveling overseas is that it burns an image in the local population. when a white guy behaves like a savage all is forgotten rather quickly and he is held accountable and only him not his whole race. examples in thailand: nigerian drug smugglers/scam artist, white european ****s.
this is a really important point.

just to put this in context, what percetage of nigerian's in bangkok are drug smugglers/scam artist? and what percentage of white european's are ****s? possibly a difficult question?

as i have not had clsoe dealings with nigerians, i don't know, but assume the percentage is high (with no foundation whatsoever). i would assume the "official" ****s percentage is also high but i don't consider doing a 18 year old girl who is very eager to be exactly "****" behaviour, provided she is protected from stds and pregnancy. however i am happy to abide by the rules.

i only recently found out i am not allowed to do girls under 20 or be considered a ****, when i had thought 18 was o.k. fortunately i am not attracted to babies and haven't done anyone under 20 recently to my knowledge.

but watch out! nataree customers!

Old Thai Hand

10-01-08, 11:23

I used to live in the Bahamas, a predominantly black, ultra-conservative, Christian-right country.

If you'll all pardon the expression (for the purposes of dramatizing my point), I felt very much like a "White Nigger". The black Bahamians are not merely anti-white but they're quite intolerant of any religion other than Christian. Among the Bahamian Christians, there's prejudice depending on what church you belong to. The native white Bahamians are called, "Conchy Joes" - conch being the main seafood of the islands and very white and squid-like in texture - thus, not exactly a term of endearment.

After a year of being treated like shit by the most arrogant people I've ever met, I high-tailed it back to Thailand. It was just an awful place to live.

Jayagopal50

10-01-08, 11:53

Being a East Indian let me tell you,that even in India people look down on people based on skin colour.I feel that this is never going to change.As my friend said at Pattaya when a Thai Dancer was going to turn us down "get over it",implying that all she see's is brown skin not a kind generous westernised monger.It was only after Mamasan told the girls we were from Chicago did they come with us and the next day we had no problems picking up more girls but allat the same place.

Warbucks

10-01-08, 12:09

....not quite sure what you are saying here.....but on the face of it, it looks blatently racist....or maybe it is a joke?

....seems like a long explanation for a guy who smelled the cooking........ (i.e. "even I picked up on this one")....maybe not?

.....You on the other hand questioned whether he had spat out a racist statement in malice. If you know ISG and then you know Piper if you know Piper then you know making absurd racist statements is not him. Maybe he should have said no pun intended to help out all the prodigal sons :D

Starchild2012

10-01-08, 16:26

Can you detail what you mean by this? I have been to PI and had a great time....there didn't seem to be any problems that I could see....less recism than Thailand in my opinion....I'm curious what you encountered.

I'm from India and I did not know...lots of Indians had created a bad image of us by lending money and the over charging ordinary Filipinos.....but those Indians were actually from present Pakistan who during partition moved to different places of the world as they could not identify by either Pakistan or India and mostly they were unethical businessmen.

Well, when i went there i was taunted with 5-6 , 5-6, 5-6 guy whispers everywhere i went...on further inquiry..i found out....it is the interest Indians charge while lending money to Filipinos...

After explaining them in detail that i have not come to Cebu for lending money but for giving money, love and having some fun....once the veil of misunderstanding was lifted ..i was in heaven...Philiphines truly is mans paradise..i had the best days of my life there

Satrai2000

10-01-08, 18:12

Pipe if you are serious about this question then you answer is simple. It is simply racism...I don't know if this is "simply racism". In some Asian countries there are people of different skin-colour, ranging from almost white to almost black, who all belong to the same race. And they are treated differently. I don't think you can call this "racism". It is something else.

In my home-country it's virtually impossible for dark-skinned girls to become a (movie-)celebrity. You have to have (almost) white skin, and you have to be South-Asian (same race). Now there are people who make quite a fuss of this and state that beauty has nothing to do with skin-colour. I don't know if beauty has nothing to do with skin-colour but what I do know is that you cannot tell people what they have to like and what they have to dislike.

Satrai2000

10-01-08, 18:16

I'm from India and I did not know...lots of Indians had created a bad image of us by lending money and the over charging ordinary Filipinos.....but those Indians were actually from present Pakistan who during partition moved to different places of the world as they could not identify by either Pakistan or India and mostly they were unethical businessmen...Yeah and these thieves did the same in other parts of SE-Asia. Thailand for example.

Lover Boy #2

10-02-08, 06:09

.....you on the other hand questioned whether he had spat out a racist statement in malice. if you know isg and then you know piper if you know piper then you know making absurd racist statements is not him. maybe he should have said no pun intended to help out all the prodigal sons :d

you have an interesting way of expressing yourself.

in my original post, i even said maybe it was a "joke"...i could not decipher what he actually meant...but did in fact question if i was on the right path. my post was certainly not a personal attack on anyone...but more informational in detail....i don't know that it required someone to come to his aide.

you....on the other hand stated "you didn't smell what pipe was cooking? he is in a class of his own when it comes to wit on isg and his jokes can be hard to get but even i picked up on this one". it's the "even i picked up on this one" that i was referring to.

english is not my primary language, but i am a lifelong student of the english language. when you say "even i"...it implies that the person you are directing this to is of lesser intelligence....or possibly in lesser recognition of clearly stated fact. i don't think the intent was that clear...and apparently you didn't later, as you asked if he was "serious"...then went on a long post of explanatory comment.

this type of rhetoric is not necessary or appreciated by the person being looked at as the "lesser" in this relationship. i think it is called a condescending comment.

it is a minor point......

p.s.....what does any of this have to do with the return of the prodigal son?...or is that also a condescending comment?

p.s.s....."if you know isg and then you know piper if you know piper then you know making absurd racist statements is not him". i know isg (in fact have been here a couple of years longer than you)....and i don't know piper.....but he is probably a nice/funny guy.

let's just move on......i have to make [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)-[CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) and poo-poo now.

Piper1

10-02-08, 08:16

Daddy Warbucks is correct in that I was kidding around in the second part of my original post ('gold-dripping vs walmart'; where I was also trying to stir a response out of Opebo, but he's no fun at all. ;)) But the first part of my post was a legit rhetorical question. Fact is, within most societies where skin color varies, the darker-skinned get a worse deal (socially, politically and economically) than the lighter-skinned, a point well-illustrated by one of our Indian members:
Being a East Indian let me tell you,that even in India people look down on people based on skin colour...This is also the case in Thailand and the Philippines, where lighter generally skin equates with higher social status and more wealth. Even in a "white" society like the Former Soviet Union, the Byelo-Russians (literally, white Russians) are regarded as more aristocratic than Russians, while in turn, darker-skinned Asiatic people from FSU are socially and economically discriminated against by Russians. The same is also true in my part of the world (the Arab world), where white-skinned Arabs are generally better off than dark-skinned Arabs.

Am I racist for making these observations? I don't think so. Firstly, I don't like the observation. Secondly, most of my friends are non-white, as have been most of my GFs before I was married (Arab, African, Indian, Sri Lankan, Aboriginal, South-East Asian, etc). Even my wife is of a Turkic 'race' that is discriminated against by Europeans, including my working-class European parents.

Lover Boy #2

10-02-08, 08:39

Daddy Warbucks is correct in that I was kidding around in the second part of my original post ('gold-dripping vs walmart'; where I was also trying to stir a response out of Opebo, but he's no fun at all. ;)) But the first part of my post was a legit rhetorical question. Fact is, within most societies where skin color varies, the darker-skinned get a worse deal (socially, politically and economically) than the lighter-skinned, a point well-illustrated by one of our Indian members:This is also the case in Thailand and the Philippines, where lighter generally skin equates with higher social status and more wealth. Even in a "white" society like the Former Soviet Union, the Byelo-Russians (literally, white Russians) are regarded as more aristocratic than Russians, while in turn, darker-skinned Asiatic people from FSU are socially and economically discriminated against by Russians. The same is also true in my part of the world (the Arab world), where white-skinned Arabs are generally better off than dark-skinned Arabs. Am I racist for making these observations? I don't think so. (BTW, most of my friends are non-white, as have been most of my GFs).

This is actually the way I understood your post....at least the part you have noted above.

I was commenting on; "At a deeper level, it comes down to economics and genetics. In general, white people are genetically more aggressive and materialistic than black people".

Once we get involved in "genetic" arguments....that's when the flag gets thrown as far as I'm concerned. (and one could even argue the opposite of your statement based on racial genetics as it relates to materialism and agression...if one was so inclined)

I realized the last part of your original post was a joke and the first part, basically factual (as far as the darker skinned people being in greater poverty). My comment was strictly on the "genetic" angle that I respectfully disagree with....no matter how many times my friend tries to explain that I just don't get it (i.e. even he gets it...but I sincerely doubt it!)

Warbucks

10-02-08, 09:54

this is actually the way i understood your post....at least the part you have noted above.

i realized the last part of your original post was a joke and the first part, basically factual (as far as the darker skinned people being in greater poverty). my comment was strictly on the "genetic" angle that i respectfully disagree with....no matter how many times my friend tries to explain that i just don't get it (i.e. even he gets it...but i sincerely doubt it!)

pipe just said i guessed right at his post but you still have something to prove. i wasn't insulting you or talking down nor do i think i have more intelligence then you. hell most of you guys on this board probably got more education then i do. i am just incredibly lucky. even my ole tells me i am too lucky for my own good.

what did you win for guessing whether right or wrong about what piper was inferring?... a free blow job on soi 6 paid for by o****.

...and another thing if you studied english like you say you did then you would know the words [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)-[CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) and poo-poo are used by children, childish ass people and not grown ass men :d

Lover Boy #2

10-02-08, 10:01

pipe just said i guessed right at his post but you still have something to prove. i wasn't insulting you or talking down nor do i think i have more intelligence then you. hell most of you guys on this board probably got more education then i do. i am just incredibly lucky. even my ole tells me i am too lucky for my own good.

what did you win for guessing whether right or wrong about what piper was inferring?... a free blow job on soi 6 paid for by o****.

...and another thing if you studied english like you say you did then you would know the words [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)-[CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) and poo-poo are used by children, childish ass people and not grown ass men :d

...or a thai girl......it's a thai forum.....a joke...spend some time in thailand.......lighten up!!

"pipe's wit... requires instruction book for some..." (daddy warbucks 1) .....not derogatory?.....cut the bullshit.

are you black and agressive?.......that would negate the orignal statement made by piper1....my original point!

"o**** my man last year i was in thailand and the girls i took looked mostly like shit. i can’t believe i paid for it" (daddy warbucks 1) .......maybe you need to be more introspective as to why this happens. it certainly is not my experience.

"i see how they act when i come around. they behave almost disturbed".(daddy warbucks 1).....again....possible intervention of introspection possibly needed.

....you have problems man...i'm out//

Warbucks

10-02-08, 11:33

...and another thing if you studied english like you say you did then you would know the words [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)-[CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) and poo-poo are used by children, childish ass people and not grown ass men :d

...or a thai girl......it's a thai forum.....a joke...spend some time in thailand.......lighten up!!

"pipe's wit... requires instruction book for some..." (daddy warbucks 1) .....not derogatory?.....cut the bullshit.

are you black and agressive?.......that would negate the orignal statement made by piper1....my original point!

"o**** my man last year i was in thailand and the girls i took looked mostly like shit. i can’t believe i paid for it" (daddy warbucks 1) .......maybe you need to be more introspective as to why this happens. it certainly is not my experience.

"i see how they act when i come around. they behave almost disturbed".(daddy warbucks 1).....again....possible intervention of introspection possibly needed.

....you have problems man...i'm out//

allll. i have an admirer he took the time out of his day to dig up some of my posts from other threads.

...lol. like i said childish. i would love to continue this battle of wits with you buts its unfair against a grown-up who uses the words poo-poo. :d

Chachi420

10-02-08, 14:30

Piper1

10-02-08, 21:57

Well, this "Indian" Brit has just this morning returned from the land of smiles, and once again had a stunningly sucessfull mongering tour.

I bloody love that place!!

We can disect the possibly racist thai pysche for weeks on end, but as has been proved time and time again....it dosen't matter.

Mongering in BKK is not about race or skin tone, it's about baht and a little charm. Works everytime.Amen. To get between the legs of a hot girl in BKK, it only takes a few dollars. Cash is color-blind.

Warbucks

10-02-08, 22:08

Amen. To get between the legs of a hot girl in BKK, it only takes a few dollars. Cash is color-blind.

Isn't that the same requirement for hookers everywhere?

Piper1

10-02-08, 22:18

Yes, cash is color-blind the world-over. Unfortunately, girls are more expensive in most other parts of the world, compared to Asia. But you already know this Daddy W. Unless you have a freebie lined up, be prepared to pay five times more than Phillipines prices in Dubai when you arrive next week! :(

Warbucks

10-02-08, 22:24

Old Thai Hand

10-03-08, 02:02

Question for Old Thai Hand. Talking with a colleague today( who is not an African-American but might as well be considering he is from the Caribbean isles.) Anyway this guy's skin color is darker then mine and he is fat but he has a baby by non-bar up country Thai girl.

Speaking with him about the racism in Thailand issue he said he has only encountered racism in Bangkok. He said in Bangkok where he doesn't hang out much he walked into a bar and not one Thai girl came over to greet him. He said everywhere he has been Pattaya, up country, etc he has never had a problem. I can testify this has also been my experience as well.

I remember walking into bars in Pattaya and Phuket and being swarmed. In Bangkok might as well be invisible some nights even with my diamonds and platinum jewelry hell back in the states my diamond watch made normal American women pussy get wet so to be denied by a third world hooker just torments the soul :( ...and I don't even believe in a soul devout atheist in building.....

Easy answer. Anywhere else, even Pattaya, the girls' choices are much narrower: fat, old Farang geezers, the occasional Korean who is NOT on a package tour with a group, perhaps a smattering of other Asians and lastly, poor Thai guys.

In BKK, the choices are more numerous, more diverse (culturally and age-wise), and more well-heeled. Above all, there are far more rich Asians, in particular Japanese and Koreans here, who are even squeezing out the Farang clientele. Men of "colour", whether Black, Indian or Arab, no matter how much money they have are not going to have an easy time of it because the girls don't like them and don't have to go with them out of necessity.

M P Lurker

10-03-08, 03:33

Unless you have a freebie lined up, be prepared to pay five times more than Phillipines prices in Dubai when you arrive next week! :(
Yeow, that price sounds scary, but is a richer part of the world. Are the girls hot enough to be worth the money? I admit I pay a lot more in Germany FKKs, but do this only occassionally with real stunners only just to prove to myself that the white and black girls still turn me on and I can even find a GFE with them.
Strangely one of the very best sessions I recently had in Germany was a Thai girl. She would have been very suitable for Tulip in performance but looks and body better than any Tulip girl.
So thats why I couldn't resist her.

Warbucks

10-03-08, 06:42

Yeow, that price sounds scary, but is a richer part of the world. Are the girls hot enough to be worth the money? I admit I pay a lot more in Germany FKKs, but do this only occassionally with real stunners only just to prove to myself that the white and black girls still turn me on and I can even find a GFE with them.
Strangely one of the very best sessions I recently had in Germany was a Thai girl. She would have been very suitable for Tulip in performance but looks and body better than any Tulip girl.
So thats why I couldn't resist her.

You are talking around $150-$200 LT for a FL. For a brothel take out like $200-$300 for an hour. I have known co-workers of mine who have paid up to $1000 a night for extremely exotic pussy such as Arabic....but if they like you the price can be lowered. Every since I bought my crib (for the slang impaired crib means house) in PI I have been reluctant to break bread for those prices thinking of what I could do with that money in PI :D If you are a mongers monger Dubai is unmatched in terms of variety that's why I call it Baskings Robbins land of 31 flavors.

Terry Terrier

10-03-08, 08:00

Easy answer. Anywhere else, even Pattaya, the girls' choices are much narrower: fat, old Farang geezers, the occasional Korean who is NOT on a package tour with a group, perhaps a smattering of other Asians and lastly, poor Thai guys.

In BKK, the choices are more numerous, more diverse (culturally and age-wise), and more well-heeled. Above all, there are far more rich Asians, in particular Japanese and Koreans here, who are even squeezing out the Farang clientele. Men of "colour", whether Black, Indian or Arab, no matter how much money they have are not going to have an easy time of it because the girls don't like them and don't have to go with them out of necessity.
But the Korean and, especially, the Japanese guys have mostly their own places and tend to stick to them, right? Apart from a few of the 'better' bars in Nana and Cowboy, most sextourist bars in Bangkok are populated largely by the same "fat, old Farang geezers" offering the same "narrow" choices to the girls.

IMO, Daddy, Bangkok is a huge, dirty dump populated by people with 'capital city mentality'. Most people, including expats, think they're better than everybody else. And the open racism is just a natural extension of this. As soon as you get out of Bangkok, this arrogance is much less prevalent.

M P Lurker

10-03-08, 08:12

You are talking around $150-$200 LT for a FL. For a brothel take out like $200-$300 for an hour. I have known co-workers of mine who have paid up to $1000 a night for extremely exotic pussy such as Arabic....but if they like you the price can be lowered. Every since I bought my crib (for the slang impaired crib means house) in PI I have been reluctant to break bread for those prices thinking of what I could do with that money in PI :D If you are a mongers monger Dubai is unmatched in terms of variety that's why I call it Baskings Robbins land of 31 flavors.
LT with FL deal sounds reasonable if the quality is really there.
I can't get that price at home.

I reckon German FKK has all 31 flavours too and might be a better option than than the Dubai brothel. So I am not sure about the "unmatched". But obviously I won't know till I try.

M P Lurker

10-03-08, 08:15

Well, this "Indian" Brit has just this morning returned from the land of smiles, and once again had a stunningly sucessfull mongering tour.

I bloody love that place!!

We can disect the possibly racist thai pysche for weeks on end, but as has been proved time and time again....it dosen't matter.

Mongering in BKK is not about race or skin tone, it's about baht and a little charm. Works everytime.

Its great to here that the stereotype issues are easily overcome at least at the mongering level.

Opebo

10-03-08, 08:24

Easy answer. Anywhere else, even Pattaya, the girls' choices are much narrower: fat, old Farang geezers...

In BKK, the choices are more numerous, more diverse...

I'll admit that when I was recently in the Capital I noticed that in nearly every case, the monger was better looking and quite often younger than the service provider I saw him with. It struck me as odd, and testimony to the fact that prostitution is about convenience.

But I would also say that a surprisingly large percentage of visitors to Pattaya are good looking, younger to middle aged guys.

M P Lurker

10-03-08, 08:38

Yes, cash is color-blind the world-over.
Piper1,

After a long absence, you are suddenly a regular poster. Is it like me, and a little sexually frustrated? ;) Therefore posting as a substitute? :)
As your lovely missus is a hottie, I am sure you can't be as frustrated as me, mate?
I'm back in dull old Australia. However I think I have a date on the weekend with a Thai girl I haven't seen for a few years.
She is asking do I want to be her BF already.

Warning! Danger Will Robinson! ;)

Mick

Piper1

10-03-08, 09:38

Mick, I wouldn't say a long absence - I usually have some nonsense to post here and there, but not always in the Thai threads. With a few public holidays in Dubai past few days, I had a bit of spare time on my hands to post. Despite Gamahucher's kind words on another thread, I don't monger as much as I used to, mainly due to a busy life with family and a busy job. (Believe it or not, I try to be a good family man - while still enjoying a bit of extra-curricular fun. :)) Basically the only time I monger nowadays is when I'm travelling a few times a year, or when Wildcat is away. Occasionally I squeeze in a day or evening session in Dubai with one of the Filipinas I met online, but they are high-maintenance with all the SMSs and emails and their pledges of undying love (which scares me away ;)).

I forget which city you live in Australia, but I know my way around a few of them pretty well, including reasonably good-value p4p places, as well as good freebie pick-up clubs, so if you want any recommendations, let me know.

Old Thai Hand

10-03-08, 15:42

But I would also say that a surprisingly large percentage of visitors to Pattaya are good looking, younger to middle aged guys.

Yes. I take back what I said. When I think about it, during my visit to Pattaya a few weeks ago, I did notice quite a few younger guys, especially youngish yobs from the UK. So, maybe it's that the type of girl in Pattaya is different than what is found in BKK. In my few encounters, I did notice that the girls were generally less jaded ( and less mercenary) than one finds here. I found them almost pleasant.

Satrai2000

10-03-08, 20:57

Well, this "Indian" Brit has just this morning returned from the land of smiles, and once again had a stunningly sucessfull mongering tour.

I bloody love that place!!

We can disect the possibly racist thai pysche for weeks on end, but as has been proved time and time again....it dosen't matter.

Mongering in BKK is not about race or skin tone, it's about baht and a little charm. Works everytime.I don't understand. Old Thai Hand said that you, a "man of colour" would not "have an easy time" because the "girls don't like you".

Please can someone make me understand these contradicting stories?

M P Lurker

10-04-08, 05:14

I forget which city you live in Australia, but I know my way around a few of them pretty well, including reasonably good-value p4p places, as well as good freebie pick-up clubs, so if you want any recommendations, let me know.
I am semi allergic to Aussie girls, especially in my age bracket.
I know a couple of Asian girls aged about 40 that are O.K. though.

I know about P4P places but am not really interested. Too expensive and not convenient for one. 30 mins is no use to me. Once I had tried FKK, I was totally cured of any interest in Aussie P4P. We just don't have the quality in the girls. you might get looks or a good performance but both is difficult. Its too much of a long shot.
Better to save my money for Thailand where it goes a lot further and can expect a great time with a young hottie.

I can switch off from being a sex addict these days.

Warbucks

10-04-08, 07:25

I don't understand. Old Thai Hand said that you, a "man of colour" would not "have an easy time" because the "girls don't like you".

Please can someone make me understand these contradicting stories?

I was expecting a more an in-depth response when I asked the question but a simple “they don’t like you” and “out of necessity” just doesn’t cut it. I mean in Bangkok most people are there on business or just passing through. I know when I am there in Bangkok I am there on business. Now in Phuket you have the holiday shoppers the beaches so to say the "economic" level of tourist to Phuket is lower then the tourist to Bangkok I am sorry I can’t agree with that. I just think that in those other places the Thais are more use to a diverse group of foreigners.

The local people from the hotel receptionists to the Baht bus drivers to the professionals to the other tourist they just seem friendlier in Phuket.

Old Thai Hand

10-04-08, 11:02

I was expecting a more an in-depth response when I asked the question but a simple “they don’t like you” and “out of necessity” just doesn’t cut it. I mean in Bangkok most people are there on business or just passing through. I know when I am there in Bangkok I am there on business. Now in Phuket you have the holiday shoppers the beaches so to say the "economic" level of tourist to Phuket is lower then the tourist to Bangkok I am sorry I can’t agree with that. I just think that in those other places the Thais are more use to a diverse group of foreigners.

The local people from the hotel receptionists to the Baht bus drivers to the professionals to the other tourist they just seem friendlier in Phuket.

This thread seems to go around in circles. If Thais are nice to you, it does not mean they like you. I don't care how many Indians, blacks, Arabs or whatever say they didn't have a problem while visitng here, or had a fantastic time, the fact remains that just below the surface of that fake smile, THEY DON'T LIKE YOU! period - and most certainly say as much in Thai right in front of you as they are taking your money. if you don't care and enjoy youself, then great. But, don't mistake this for proof that they like you. I've heard Thais say thousands of times over the years that they hate kaek, they hate blacks etc. But, they're not going to let you know this because they're not going to bite the hand that feeds them.

Warbucks

10-04-08, 11:51

This thread seems to go around in circles. If Thais are nice to you, it does not mean they like you. I don't care how many Indians, blacks, Arabs or whatever say they didn't have a problem while visitng here, or had a fantastic time, the fact remains that just below the surface of that fake smile, THEY DON'T LIKE YOU! period - and most certainly say as much in Thai right in front of you as they are taking your money. if you don't care and enjoy youself, then great. But, don't mistake this for proof that they like you. I've heard Thais say thousands of times over the years that they hate kaek, they hate blacks etc. But, they're not going to let you know this because they're not going to bite the hand that feeds them.

Old Thai hand I have a Filipina friend in Cebu who tells me she doesn’t like white guys. She is a nurse. I have Filipino co-worker whose family told him not to bring home any white guys as they are supercilious. I bet these two individuals will smile like all hell if a white guy walked up.

What does it all mean? Most Thais from my experience don’t know any black people so they just wake up and decide they hate black people? How do we know these “INDIVIDUALS” were being superficial or being truly genuine? We don’t. I remember guys telling me Japanese people were racist didn’t like blacks etc… I was in and out of the place 8 months had some of the best times of my life.

I am not debating you that they don’t like dark skin that is apparent Stevie Wonder can see that. But this whole they hate blacks tirade you make them sound like a nation of Klu Klux Klan members and I don’t see it being all that way.

Warbucks

10-04-08, 12:15

....interesting website: http://www.ajarn.com/Banter/blackteachers.htm

It’s a good read. Views and experiences from blacks who live and are actually trying make a living in LOS instead the dark-skin mongers who go there and fuck and go home.

Old Thai Hand

10-04-08, 14:37

But this whole they hate blacks tirade you make them sound like a nation of Klu Klux Klan members and I don’t see it being all that way.

Thais are non-confrontational. So, they would never openly express their opinions to you or even act on them. They just keep them to themselves.

Thais have a whole host of irrational opinions that have been fed to them by their education system and those in power. They are one of the most brain-washed people on the planet.

Satrai2000

10-04-08, 17:43

Thais are non-confrontational. So, they would never openly express their opinions to you or even act on them. They just keep them to themselves.

Thais have a whole host of irrational opinions that have been fed to them by their education system and those in power. They are one of the most brain-washed people on the planet.Bro OTH,

Asked this question before but never got a satisfying answer: what is the main bloody reason that the Thai hate Indians? In fact they owe a lot to India: culture, religion, economic advantages. I don't have to to tell you that. (Please don't bring in the "dark skin-colour" issue for I and many other North-Indians with me are fairer than the average Thai in BKK; I still do think it has something to do with money.).

Rodmanj

10-05-08, 05:08

Lover Boy #2

10-05-08, 06:27

In my travels to Thailand about twice a year, I really don't think I have felt much racism there. I have been turn down once or twice by some Nana parking lot girls, but I don't let this effect me in awyway. Lots of times I will joke with some of the bar girls, and ask them to come back to my room so we can make a "Tiger Woods", they usually laugh, think about it and realize that all blacks can't be bad. Often they try to explain to me that Tiger Woods mother is Thai, and I explain to them that having an open mind is not such a bad thing.

...and this all occurs with service girls...whose bottom line is to get money from you (and it still shows it's ugly head). What OTH is trying to explain is that if you lived here long term, spoke Thai.....and was invited to a gathering where real Thais are (i.e. not P4P)....you might pick up an entirely different vibe. They make comments to each other that are unbelievable as it relates to this subject. The exposure you are having with P4P is a very false impression of the reality of how the Thai people feel. They are very close minded and hateful on this subject. To repeat, "They are one of the most brain-washed people on the planet".

Warbucks

10-05-08, 09:55

Daddy07

10-05-08, 10:29

...well case closed. Non-whites are not welcome. All native permanant resident Indians get the message already and black vacationing mongers time to spend your hard earned money elsewhere....
If it’s any comfort to you, DW, I’m told the Thai’s don’t much like us farangs either, but it’s a bit difficult for the Thai girl to articulate her prejudice toward me while my dick is in her mouth; and afterward, well … who cares?

I’ve seen lots of black guys in the Pattaya go-go bars, and they seem to get just as much or more attention from the pretty girls. So my advice is to visit Pattaya. You’ll have just as much fun as the next guy.

Warbucks

10-05-08, 10:40

If it’s any comfort to you, DW, I’m told the Thai’s don’t much like us farangs either, but it’s a bit difficult for the Thai girl to articulate her prejudice toward me while my dick is in her mouth; and afterward, well … who cares?

I’ve seen lots of black guys in the Pattaya go-go bars, and they seem to get just as much or more attention from the pretty girls. So my advice is to visit Pattaya. You’ll have just as much fun as the next guy.

I am just bull-shitting. Thought I would try the old dead-pan approach. It really doesn't matter how they feel or how I feel I mean think about it really.

Old Thai Hand

10-05-08, 11:05

I am just bull-shitting. Thought I would try the old dead-pan approach. It really doesn't matter how they feel or how I feel I mean think about it really.

Thais aren't worth getting worked up about. They're a people devoid of an original thought, have a depth of emotional maturity thinner than tissue paper, view dishonesty as a matter of course, have never invented anything worth a damn, have a history filled with petty, uninteresting people, and have a culture that was largely stolen from their neighbours. Yet, despite all of that they're the most arrogant sons-of-bitches anyone is likely to meet.

Come here, fuck your brains out and go home happy. Forget the rest.

Satrai2000

10-05-08, 14:04

Old Thai Hand

10-06-08, 01:26

However, I have the impression that many of them DO know that major ingredients of their culture came from the two giants in South- and East- Asia.

So being well aware of this fact why would they be this arrogant about "their" culture?

I would dispute this. The vast majority of Thais are quite ignorant of the origins of their culture, and much else about the world, for that matter. The reason for this is that their education system brain-washes them into believing their inherent superiority over everyone, especially their neighbours. Much like Japanese history books have distorted the truth about Japanese history, in particular the white-washing of Japan's involvement in WW II, Thai history books paint a complete fantasy picture of Thailand as this great innovative regional power, which is so far removed from fact, it's ridiculous. Add to this that they are systematically taught racist claptrap from an early age, that especially targets Burma, Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos and their superiority over all of these nations, and you have a people disproportionately filled with their own self-importance.

I am constantly amazed at the sheer ignorance, not to mention warped view of Thai importance expressed by many of my students, not to mention my Thai colleagues (who should know better). But, it's understandable given the endless 'rah-rah Thailand' crap they're fed all their lives.

LittleBigMan

10-06-08, 02:31

I keep things nice and simple when it comes to Thai's and that includes my wife. It makes things alot safer for myself by.....

A. Don't talk about Thai's in any general conversation
B. If you are ask, say yes or no!
C. If you are ask for more! Just say yes yes or no no
D. If you are push, just smile!
E. if none of the above works and you are push again for more, buy a round
Leo beer and that should do it.

In the end, give your opinion but don't be too indept or lengthy or you get in trouble. Watch their facial and body language to see if you are beyond their limits of your opinion. I sit now quietly with my beer and just listen and watch.

LBM

Lover Boy #2

10-06-08, 02:55

I would dispute this. The vast majority of Thais are quite ignorant of the origins of their culture, and much else about the world, for that matter. The reason for this is that their education system brain-washes them into believing their inherent superiority over everyone, especially their neighbours. Much like Japanese history books have distorted the truth about Japanese history, in particular the white-washing of Japan's involvement in WW II, Thai history books paint a complete fantasy picture of Thailand as this great innovative regional power, which is so far removed from fact, it's ridiculous. Add to this that they are systematically taught racist claptrap from an early age, that especially targets Burma, Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos and their superiority over all of these nations, and you have a people disproportionately filled with their own self-importance.

I am constantly amazed at the sheer ignorance, not to mention warped view of Thai importance expressed by many of my students, not to mention my Thai colleagues (who should know better). But, it's understandable given the endless 'rah-rah Thailand' crap they're fed all their lives.

When this movie first came out I went to see it with a bunch of middle class, fairly well educated Thais and some children. We had earlier discussed that Siddhartha Gautama came from ancient India/Nepal (Kapilvastu). The Thais either disputed this or did not want to discuss it. I dropped the subject. When they were faced with the cartoon and the "India/Nepal" issues......I glanced over at the biggest protesters and they were actually bowing their heads and looking at the floor....and seemed to be praying. It was a bizarrre moment. After the movie we left the theater and went for some food. Not one Thai brought up the subject at our dinner. When my wife and I got home, she said to me....."you right.....but don't say again". What a strange bunch of people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e80DCwzaRlE

"Believe nothing, O monks, merely because you have been told it...or because it is traditional, or because you yourselves have imagined it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings--that doctrine Believe and cling to, and take it as your guide."

NicFrenchy

10-06-08, 03:20

Thai People

Ever since I joined my company (4 years ago) 3 "older" Thais gave me the cold shoulder, did not speak with me and were looking at me with clear Disdain.

Today, 4 years later, they see I am really well integrated (I think "Tolerated" fits better) by all the staff members and they try to come and talk with me.
I never say hello or acknowledge their presence, when they address me, I turn my head the other way.
This has been noticed by the other members of staff adn they have asked me why I do not want to speak with them? My reply was simple: "why should I force myself to make small talk with people whom I know hate me?" I know I am in Thailand but I don't give a shit.
My Thai colleagues tell me that even if I don't like them I have to be courteous and talk with them as if they were my friends but, I refused and they let it slide because I am a foreigner.

My boss (Thai) don't give a damn about it, he was born and raised in the USA so only results matter to him.

The 3 older Thais are in management positions and all have the same management style: Management by fear: Keep your employees affraid of you so they NEVER question your stupid decisions (not that they would anyhow).

Racism in Thailand? You bet! and not only against blacks.

Starchild2012

10-06-08, 06:40

Thais aren't worth getting worked up about. They're a people devoid of an original thought, have a depth of emotional maturity thinner than tissue paper, view dishonesty as a matter of course, have never invented anything worth a damn, have a history filled with petty, uninteresting people, and have a culture that was largely stolen from their neighbours. Yet, despite all of that they're the most arrogant sons-of-bitches anyone is likely to meet.

Come here, fuck your brains out and go home happy. Forget the rest.

OTH....Agreed...But what makes them "Tick" . :)

There must be some positives in Thai people, that make them go along with the flow of the world....Its hard to believe that Thai people are all filled with negative thoughts.

What about Muai Thai, elephants, Monk tigers, croc show's, zoos and delicious Thai curry..yum, yum...and the world famous Thai smile..agreed as you would say..its fake..but still ..they smile..not like they planning to blow you up in the bar or something after they smile :D

You lived in Thailand for a long time...List some of the positive points you like about Thai's...It would be interesting to compare.

Lover Boy #2

10-06-08, 07:03

What about Muai Thai, elephants, Monk tigers, croc show's, zoos and delicious Thai curry..yum, yum...and the world famous Thai smile..agreed as you would say..its fake..but still ..they smile..not like they planning to blow you up in the bar or something after they smile :D

You asked OTH...but while we wait........

Pradal Serey, Tomoi, Lethwei, and Muay Lao......similar from other countries....not just Thailand.......and Thailand has a history of blocking Cambodian fighters to keep the sport.....kind of Thai. The elephants...that's a well known tragedy...Monks and Tigers.....a lot of charities have abandoned this place in Kanchanaburi because of allegations that the tigers are not orphaned or taken from poachers...but it is now a financial game....croc shows and zoos......those stories are well known, abusive.....finanancial games.......the curry...from Pakistan/India to Malaysia and beyond (even Japan)...it is all over the place.

As to the smile.....I would rather a frown if someone had bad intentions....at least I know where he stands.

Now Thai pussy...that is hard to beat.....(although a great pick from a German FKK or a South American Brothel....can give it quite a bit of competition). As far as the sheer number of working girls...I don't think this can be beat.

Terry Terrier

10-06-08, 07:33

If it’s any comfort to you, DW, I’m told the Thai’s don’t much like us farangs either.....
Which had me thinking about the position of Luk Krung in the Thai scheme of things, which seems kind of schizophrenic to me. Luk Krung babies and small children are always in high demand for TV adverts and suchlike. And there seem to be quite a lot of mixed race actors and actresses in the soaps and movies. I know the Bangkok Thai preference for light skin must play a big part in this, but are these popular Luk Krung considered to be 'half inferior'?

PinkPearl

10-06-08, 10:04

If it’s any comfort to you, DW, I’m told the Thai’s don’t much like us farangs either, but it’s a bit difficult for the Thai girl to articulate her prejudice toward me while my dick is in her mouth; and afterward, well … who cares?

I’ve seen lots of black guys in the Pattaya go-go bars, and they seem to get just as much or more attention from the pretty girls. So my advice is to visit Pattaya. You’ll have just as much fun as the next guy.I know one thing, BKK P4P TGs often worship my farang caucasian white skin.

I always tell them that white girls back in Canada want to look like them, and succeed by going to the beach and tanning salons.

I also know that I get many marriage proposals. And that if the Thai dislike farangs, they must be very good actors, cause I'm not feeling it after living here on holiday for 9 months in the last 16.

LittleBigMan

10-06-08, 19:20

NicFrenchy,

Just to respond to a point that you made. When you first got hired they gave you the cold shoulder and after 4 years now they want to talk and forget how they acted and treated you when you first came. Yet they have a nerve to say " you have to be courteous" for us it's called " Double Standard " and worse. This is one of the things I dislike about Thai's!

If a Thai, steal money from you or breaks a contract and you catch them at it they treat you as though you are the criminal and if you go after them in a unnormal Thai way you are treated worst than the person who ripped you off. They have no respect for honor or the legal system. You are better off, waiting for them in the bushes to get even. There is nothing like slicing off a head and letting the dogs lick it. The feeling that they never knew what hit them is a great feeling. Sometimes I think living in Thailand brings back the worse in me. What keeps me on track is the pussy.

NicFrenchy, you are doing the right thing! payback is a *****!

LBM

Daddy07

10-07-08, 01:28

...if the Thai dislike farangs, they must be very good actors, cause I'm not feeling it after living here on holiday for 9 months in the last 16.
I think most Thai women think that farangs are dumb ATM machines, and, since they love money, they will 'love' you. They're always talking about "taking care." What they mean by that is they want YOU to take care of them, their family, and extended family until your money is gone, at which time they will no longer love you.

And, yes, they are wonderful little actresses.

Lover Boy #2

10-07-08, 02:42

If a Thai, steal money from you or breaks a contract and you catch them at it they treat you as though you are the criminal and if you go after them in a unnormal Thai way you are treated worst than the person who ripped you off. They have no respect for honor or the legal system. You are better off, waiting for them in the bushes to get even. There is nothing like slicing off a head and letting the dogs lick it. The feeling that they never knew what hit them is a great feeling. Sometimes I think living in Thailand brings back the worse in me. What keeps me on track is the pussy.LBM

LOL...100%...voted best post in this thread!!

Satrai2000

10-07-08, 15:16

I know one thing, BKK P4P TGs often worship my farang caucasian white skin...You know?

Is this another way of saying that despite these BKK TG's dislike foreigners in general, you Mr. PinkPearl do not have to worry because your skin is not tanned/brown/black but a superior white?

No offense meant bro, but ever heard of the infamous "Southeast-Asian smile"?

Lover Boy #2

10-08-08, 03:28

And that if the Thai dislike farangs, they must be very good actors, cause I'm not feeling it after living here on holiday for 9 months in the last 16.

Yes, they are very good actors.....credit noted and given!

LittleBigMan

10-08-08, 04:45

LB#2

I finally won something in life... its there some reward? maybe a coupon or something like a free or discounted foot massage!

LBM

Lover Boy #2

10-08-08, 06:35

LB#2

I finally won something in life... its there some reward? maybe a coupon or something like a free or discounted foot massage!

LBM

...maybe I could spring for a free bj at the SOL....I'll be home after I get some work done and some real money made......

PinkPearl

10-09-08, 14:21

You know?

Is this another way of saying that despite these BKK TG's dislike foreigners in general, you Mr. PinkPearl do not have to worry because your skin is not tanned/brown/black but a superior white?

No offense meant bro, but ever heard of the infamous "Southeast-Asian smile"?What? Is it you don't think they worship white skin? If so that would be tantamount to a blasphemy of my expertise.

BKK TGs who milk cock dislike foreigners? No one has proven that, yet in my experience white skin might be considered a benefit in BKK. But whether it is green, orange, or pink with blue poka dots, I would suggest that the City of Angels is heaven on earth for all penises with red blood.

As for your SEA smile, a google search came up with nothing.

Daddy07

10-15-08, 08:22

Lover Boy #2

10-15-08, 10:03

Riding my motorbike on the Suk in Pattaya today, I was waived over at a police checkpoint for the 2nd time in a row. I noticed that farangs were the only drivers targeted, and they had farang officers dealing with the hapless farang drivers. My international license had expired by only one day so the female farang officer decided to let me go, but the whole experience was a bitter pill to swallow, and I felt the sting of corruption and racism. I didn't like it.

I don't know why...but everytime I see those farang Pattaya junior police.....I feel like kicking them in the balls..... and or crotch. If the shite police force was half on the level, they would hire some professionals who are bi-lingual and can deal with farangs. All these volunteers around (who are really not that helpful in crisis)...is just a funny scene....but accomplishes little.

MeatMan

10-21-08, 14:26

Opebo

10-21-08, 18:00

...farang officers...

Are these repulsive characters, as they seem to be, mere bumbling traitorous sex-tourists who get a thrill out of harrassing their brethren, or are they something more insidious: not 'volunteers' at all, but sent by the American government (and Old Fatty Mama) to help with the crackdown that will end all our fun? Your mention of the existence of the 'female' one lends credence to the latter theory.

I don't know whether to despise or fear these creeps, but I do know they are the enemy, even more than the Thai police. At least the latter are in it entirely for the money. We all know farangs are much, much sicker.

Lover Boy #2

10-22-08, 00:34

Are these repulsive characters, as they seem to be, mere bumbling traitorous sex-tourists who get a thrill out of harrassing their brethren, or are they something more insidious: not 'volunteers' at all, but sent by the American government (and Old Fatty Mama) to help with the crackdown that will end all our fun? Your mention of the existence of the 'female' one lends credence to the latter theory.

I don't know whether to despise or fear these creeps, but I do know they are the enemy, even more than the Thai police. At least the latter are in it entirely for the money. We all know farangs are much, much sicker.

I think over 90% fit into category #1.......or possibly they beleive they are reformed "mere bumbling traitorous sex-tourists"....who are now taking a sick thrill. As to "sent by American Government"......I think 0% on that one.....they all seem to be European....from the same countries that supply most of the mongers. If only Martin Lawrence (Big Mama) could save us with a little comedy!!

Daddy07

10-22-08, 01:17

M P Lurker

10-22-08, 09:45

One of my current giks, a TG in Australia says that she doesn't get turned on by guys with dark skin, which is strange as she is rather dark herself. But even Thai men don't get considered at all by her to be fuckable.

She doesn't mean she dislikes them at all.
She admits "the rock" is a handsome musclular guy but that he would not sexually attract her because he is too dark.

I find this to be a very puzzling attitude since I find pretty girls with good body to be sexually exciting regardless of whether they are light or dark skinned, as long as they are not hairy and are clean.

Perhaps pure white or jet black would be too much for me as I am not used to it.

Rocksoff

10-22-08, 10:10

I find this to be a very puzzling attitude since I find pretty girls with good body to be sexually exciting regardless of whether they are light or dark skinnedVery puzzling. I like contrasts, sometimes chubby, sometimes slim, light, dark, and inbetween. I love gazing at this Petchaburi girl's mahogany skin against my pale skin. Under the ultraviolet light in the bar her teeth and eyes light up and she looks even darker.

And pretty girls are OK, but cute girls, wild girls, funny girls, angry girls, distant girls, dutiful girls and innocent girls are all necessary as well.

And I miss Kenyan girls ..

Perhaps pure white or jet black would be too much for me as I am not used to it.I'm sure if need be you wouldn't shirk the grueling process of aclimatization.

NicFrenchy

10-22-08, 10:15

I find this to be a very puzzling attitude since I find pretty girls with good body to be sexually exciting regardless of whether they are light or dark skinned, as long as they are not hairy and are clean.

Not puzzling at all, this is a typical Thai attitude.

Bkk212

10-22-08, 13:57

Reading this section of the forum I felt I had to give my opinion. Having lived in BKK for 5 years and non-cascasian I can tell you that with certainty that Thai people are the most racist of all the countries that I have lived in.

And this is also an opinion shared with most of my cascasian friends in BKK.

Reports by Okl Thai hand pretty much sums it up about the brainwashing and what they are told by those in authority.

However you look at it most Thai still think that the world is flat and that lack of edcuation is what leads to racism.

The key to making people understand and accept others is opening their eyes to what is outside the borders of Thailand.

M P Lurker

10-22-08, 15:12

Not puzzling at all, this is a typical Thai attitude.
Seeing that I enjoyed doing her very much (she has a superb body still at 43 YO), I won't discriminate against her poor taste in wanting to fuck me ahead of "the rock" who was in a movie on the TV at the time. :)

There are also plenty of guys who only like to do white-skinned girls too. OTH comes to mind.

Here is a pretty brown India girl with big tits X video:
http://youporn.com/watch/55205/india-big-tits/
Very hot chick enjoying a big salami!

Warbucks

11-06-08, 09:33

Lover Boy #2

11-06-08, 09:39

Anybody notice how on Thai movies (don’t know about TV shows) how they denigrate people from Isaan or Isaan looking people. I am a big fan of Tony Jaa and in all his movies he plays like this silly farm boy who doesn’t know anything. Latest movie called the” Bodyguard’ I seen with him in it but not starring one Thai guy plays this smooth guy while he has a wife who looks like a typical Isaaner. She is loud and obnoxious. There are many characters in the movie that look like they are from Isaan and they are all made out to be shady, foul mouthed, or unintelligent. Incredible.

Yes, it is a fact...Thai people not from Issan say Issan people look "phaa lao" (ugly)......maybe a play on words.

MeatMan

11-08-08, 03:23

Anybody notice how on Thai movies (don’t know about TV shows) how they denigrate people from Isaan or Isaan looking people. I am a big fan of Tony Jaa and in all his movies he plays like this silly farm boy who doesn’t know anything. Latest movie called the” Bodyguard’ I seen with him in it but not starring one Thai guy plays this smooth guy while he has a wife who looks like a typical Isaaner. She is loud and obnoxious. There are many characters in the movie that look like they are from Isaan and they are all made out to be shady, foul mouthed, or unintelligent. Incredible.

It's all bullshit and stereotypical. It's just like how they treated my grandmother and father during the depression. IE: your black, dirty, poor, stupid, etc etc.

I've been to Issan and let me tell you, some of those women are drop fucking dead hot bruh. If they were in America??....

Beautiful women are beautiful women regardless of type.

Lover Boy #2

11-08-08, 04:45

It's all bullshit and stereotypical. It's just like how they treated my grandmother and father during the depression. IE: your black, dirty, poor, stupid, etc etc.

I've been to Issan and let me tell you, some of those women are drop fucking dead hot bruh. If they were in America??....

Beautiful women are beautiful women regardless of type.

He...and all of us are aware of this.....he was commenting on how Thai's not from Issan represent people from Issan....even in the movies. If you understand this, what is your point?

Starchild2012

12-31-08, 23:42

I just came back from a 10 day trip to pattaya...been an Indian..the racist stuff was playing on my mind.

I did not face any racism but did not get pulled into the bar or get shouted by hansom man call, while the white guys walking in front or behind me always got lots and lots of call.

Only way for me was to make myself FORCE into the bar...no one is going to pull you inside the bar if you not white dude...but once inside you are treated as same as any other monger.

I was treated very well in Soi 6 bars ( sky bar), and the first three bars when you enter from second road in Soi 6, Soi 14 ( secrets) and lucifer disco freelancers, soi 8 ( the lukcy bar)...one needs to be proactive and take the initiative...although i got pulled into the bar in soi 7/8 few times...the sheer number of bars overwhelmed me and i got selfish to check what if i get a better girl in the next bar. :)

On been asked about why no one called me in..the girls said...they dont get to judge a mans heart with a mans skin color in a few seconds they get to woo a customer in...

I'm always very generous when drunk and i tip heavily to get rid of the guilt ....the girls literally danced and i knew the way to win a Thai girls heart is to Tip her no matter what and she is yours for ever.

Or been a non white..fastest way to get into Thai's are to tip them....you dont get the same reaction when you tip an Indian or filipino women :)

many russians in walking street all with families, friends and gfs...i felt the ugliest indian in whole of pattaya whenever i went to walking street...dont know but many folks have said..when ever they go to walking street they feel the ugliest around..may be some divine power to show our real face and heart compare. :)

Contrary to what i have read as only old, ulgly retiries go to pattaya..i saw 70% young guys in pattaya and that too many guys in good shape and sizes going after Thai girls.

I dont know if there is a shortage of women in the west...some of the guys were really up there in the models look who could easily get laid in the west.

I can say it is not true at all that only old guys come....Majority are dudes in 30's & 40s

Overall I loved the place..it has a MAGICAL thing to it but thank god i was an Indian and did not get the attention that white guys get or else i could have died in pattaya in 10 days.

On the contrary..i got lots and lots of looks from blonde women in lucifer and many places...i think its all mixed up...i observed white guys dont even look at white women in pattaya which forces them to expect asian men :)

Thai guys can f**ck many blondes in pattaya but they too seems to be submissive and non initiatve in talking to western women.

Russians WG could be had in pattaya and they seem to hunt guys from India, arab and from Africa.

All in all its a great place to f**Ck and die..now i understand why farang comes to pattaya ..fucks and just dies..there is nothing better to do if you are a drunken monger....if i was a farang..i would have done the same thing inpattaya...Thai girls charm, smile, sex, beer, whiskey, good food and finally death ..what better way to get liberation from earth than Pattaya.

Thai girls really have a big heart...I just cried on the beach road while looking at all those women, no one to take care off... yet they have so much to give.

I hope to return to Thailand soon, but Philiphines seems more easy on me :)

Thank you all the mongers who helped me plan my trip.

Amjeck

01-01-09, 01:14

Contrary to what i have read as only old, ulgly retiries go to pattaya..i saw 70% young guys in pattaya and that too many guys in good shape and sizes going after Thai girls.

Pattaya has changed quite a bit in the past 2-3 years. New visa regulations and the influx of investment have really changed the scene from what it used to be.

Paul100

01-05-09, 05:44

I just came back from a 10 day trip to Pattaya. Been an Indian. The racist stuff was playing on my mind.

I did not face any racism but did not get pulled into the bar or get shouted by hansom man call, while the white guys walking in front or behind me always got lots and lots of call.

Only way for me was to make myself FORCE into the bar. No one is going to pull you inside the bar if you not white dude. But once inside you are treated as same as any other monger.

I was treated very well in Soi 6 bars (sky bar), and the first three bars when you enter from second road in Soi 6, Soi 14 (secrets) and lucifer disco freelancers, soi 8 (the lukcy bar). One needs to be proactive and take the initiative. Although I got pulled into the bar in soi 7/8 few times. The sheer number of bars overwhelmed me and I got selfish to check what if I get a better girl in the next bar.

On been asked about why no one called me in. The girls said. They don't get to judge a mans heart with a mans skin color in a few seconds they get to woo a customer in.

I'm always very generous when drunk and I tip heavily to get rid of the guilt. The girls literally danced and I knew the way to win a Thai girls heart is to Tip her no matter what and she is yours for ever.

Or been a non white. Fastest way to get into Thai's are to tip them. You don't get the same reaction when you tip an Indian or Filipino women

Many russians in walking street all with families, friends and gfs. I felt the ugliest indian in whole of Pattaya whenever I went to walking street. Don't know but many folks have said. When ever they go to walking street they feel the ugliest around. May be some divine power to show our real face and heart compare.

Contrary to what I have read as only old, ulgly retiries go to Pattaya. I saw 70% young guys in Pattaya and that too many guys in good shape and sizes going after Thai girls.

I don't know if there is a shortage of women in the west. Some of the guys were really up there in the models look who could easily get laid in the west.

I can say it is not true at all that only old guys come. Majority are dudes in 30's & 40s

Overall I loved the place. It has a MAGICAL thing to it but thank god I was an Indian and did not get the attention that white guys get or else I could have died in Pattaya in 10 days.

On the contrary. I got lots and lots of looks from blonde women in lucifer and many places. I think its all mixed up. I observed white guys don't even look at white women in Pattaya which forces them to expect asian men

Thai guys can f**ck many blondes in Pattaya but they too seems to be submissive and non initiatve in talking to western women.

Russians WG could be had in Pattaya and they seem to hunt guys from India, arab and from Africa.

All in all its a great place to f**Ck and die. Now I understand why farang comes to Pattaya. Fucks and just dies. There is nothing better to do if you are a drunken monger. If I was a farang. I would have done the same thing inpattaya. Thai girls charm, smile, sex, beer, whiskey, good food and finally death. What better way to get liberation from earth than Pattaya.

Thai girls really have a big heart. I just cried on the beach road while looking at all those women, no one to take care off. Yet they have so much to give.

I hope to return to Thailand soon, but Philiphines seems more easy on me

Thank you all the mongers who helped me plan my trip. Hello Born Loser 5,

No you are not alone. I spent a week in October in Pattaya. I left absolutely disgusted and, like you, with the "racist stuff playing on my mind".

I was thinking of posting an article in a more Asian-frequented forum to tell Asian mongers to avoid Pattaya. Better to take their custom and money elsewhere. IMHO there are so many other better places to go in Thailand, and it is not worth the trouble and humiliation (for non-whites anyway) given the general poor quality of the Pattaya merchandise and racism to boot. But, following your post I changed my mind and am now posting in ISG instead.

By way of background, I am a Singaporean, in my 40s and of Chinese descent. I am tall, considered above average in looks, dress well and am fair with payment for services received. I have little trouble attracting non-P4P British, W European, American or Aussie chicks over the last 20 years when I studied, lived and worked overseas. While I can easily afford to pay premium prices for top-line services, I also enjoy mongering at the bottom end (read Pattaya). I also have traveled extensively throughout Asia and other parts of Thailand and have never encountered the sort of BS I received in Pattaya.

I will not repeat your observations which as Daddy07 states "capture the essense of Pattaya". Below are just 2 examples of the several racist behavior I encountered:

1. Nevada Club, corner of Beach Rd and Soi 13/2. Checking out the soi and saw 4 old farangs being actively solicited at the club's entrance and ushered in. More out of curiosity than anything I followed suit but was stopped by the (suddenly decidedly unfriendly) female at the entrance who said I am not allowed in as I was Asian. When I asked why in English and when she realised I was not a local she changed her mind but demanded 100 bahts entrance fee. WTF!

By the way, the 3 gentlemen before me were, I would say, between 50 and 70 years old, dressed in singlets, shorts and sandals. You get the picture. Let me state however that I know these gentlemen are not representative of all farangs in Pattaya. (Look, I am aware this site is a farang site and I am not trying to start anything so please don't "flame" me as I am merely stating my experience and presenting facts.)

2. Lucifier and Insomnia etc. I had mixed experiences in both these places. My observations: the Thai working ladies (WL) there would eye ANY farang that comes in, approach them, give them the famous Thai smile, dance suggestively around them and some even go as far as groping their crotches. Not the same when I approached them. They would look away, pretend I did not exist. Some kinder ones would say "have boyfriend".

I know we can't be champions all the time, but this is essentially the Asian monger's experience in Pattaya. Fortunately, it is not great loss, as I have said earlier, given the poor quality of merchandise there.

But I wonder why this kind of behaviour (esp in this day and age)? I speculate:

1. Most WL in Pattaya are come from poor Isaan farming families. They would all have little or appalling education unlike their more sophisticated sisters in, say BKK, who are more discerning and are able to differentiate between different types of mongers. Not acceptable behavior but understandable.

2. Pattaya is the *****house of Europe, US, Australia etc and now Russsia as it seems to be set up to cater exclusively for farangs/white mongers. A blind-freddie farang cannot help but score in Pattaya. I was shocked at the number of farang tourists in Pattaya and the domination they have over the the economy. I just hope they do not import their racism to Thailand.

It is ironic that the Thai's are so proud that they have never being colonised but IMHO they are already been well and truly colonised in Pattaya. For the WL there, the farang is their surrogate god and king. And some farangs behave as such (and I don't blame them).

At a personal level, it is sad to see the level they would scoop to to attract ANY (farang) customer. This is quite unlike their sisters in more developed countries of Asia such as Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Hongkong, Singapore or even China or Bangkok where, at least, they operate with some level of reserve and dignity. How do they expect farangs to respect them when they behave so pathetically towards farangs (ie so subserviently and slavishly) while at the same time treat their "own kind" so harshly. Reading the many ISG forums, perhaps, the Pattaya WLs deserve to be treated by farangs as the rubbish (kaya) they are.

Starchild2012

01-07-09, 00:16

Hello Born Loser 5,

No you are not alone. I spent a week in October in Pattaya. I left absolutely disgusted and, like you, with the "racist stuff playing on my mind".

Paul, I agree with you, Asians are treated very differently in Pattaya.

Have you tried Philipihines....Its is much comforting, less compitition , everyone speaks english & much cheaper.

I can bet, you will not face so much resistance in Philiphines and there are many bars which only caters to Asians guys.

You will be treated like a king. :)

Good Luck

Sammon

01-07-09, 00:37

Retired Army

01-07-09, 01:47

i have noticed indian men are noticeably loud and abnoxious in the bars especially if it is a group. seems like they are let out of the cage. they would never think of behaving this way in india i am sure.
second thing is they compare indian rupees to baht and feel that they are spending too much. thai people will not tolerate any type of behaviour just to make money. i think if all the indian men behave well they would be welcomed with open arms and ofcourse legs.
yes , there are western men behaving badly also. but since thai's think all western men are rich there are no problems. besides the western men especially usa made thailand what it is now.
having said all these your attitude and behaviour wins the situation once you are in the bar. i have seen indian men turned away from some bars a while ago. that is real racism. not the girls ignoring you.

well... not entirely correct. some of the reasons thais don't like indians goes back thousands of years. some of the other reasons are more recent. talk to the p4p girls and they will tell you they don't like the way indian men treat them. a lot of them won't to back to an indian's room because they feed in packs. one guy goes out and picks up a girl and takes her back to his room where his three buddies are waiting.

LittleBigMan

01-07-09, 01:51

Retired Army

01-07-09, 02:17

When my Thai wife and I go to certain tourist places in Thailand, i.e., guest houses and bars, she often points out signs to me that state they do not welcome Thais. The last guest house we stayed in would only let Thais stay if they were with a Farang. My favorite bar in BKK has the same.

Go figure.

Paul100,

First I don't know how you can compare your experience with Born Loser 5, are we reading the same report you quoted? Although the girls weren't jumping up and down and fighting over him he seem to have had a good if not great time. Otherwise why would he indicate " hope to return to Thailand soon " although he made it clear that the Philiphines seems more easy to him.

I want to make it clear before I continue.. I understand this is your personal experience and in NO WAY AM I FLAMGING YOU! We are going to agree to disagree but in no way am I going to say my experience speaks for all Asians.As you noted this is your own personal experience so I'm going to correct you by saying your experience is not " essentially a Asian experience ".

I am Asian, Chinese American born and raised in California. I like you have traveled throughout Asia until I settle in Thailand for good 10 years ago. Although I have only been living here full time for 2 years with my wife and son. I have never once experience anything close to what you have personally experience in Pattaya or anywhere in Thailand. From your description you are much younger and a handsome man. I myself am short and look like one of the three stooges ( Curly ) but never have I been given the cold shoulders by any girl or refuse entry to any club or ask to pay a fee to enter, even the Nevada Club.. I dress the way I want to dress and that is mostly beach wear. For those that have met me from the ISG, all say I look local and I can tell you if I wasn't married I most likely would die from a stroke because I have had offers from so many P4P, and non-p4p, lonely housewives, etc... that I'm going crazy not being able to touch the candy. I have old friends by the number all Chinese American except 1 cracker that have had the same experience in Pattaya and they come and stay for months at a time. I have never enter a place and expect the girls to come to me asap, but never had anyone give me the cold shoulders. Once they find out I'm a American they can't enough of LBM.

Maybe it's your personality I don't know, never met you and maybe you just need to loosen up or something. I feel like taking you under my wing but I'm no missionary! sorry! I have too many of my old friends who I grew up with visiting now coming to Pattaya wanting me to show them the ropes. My wife say's I have too many Farang friends and say's she want me to be 100% Thai! Boy when that happens I can butterfly without ever having to look over my shoulders like a true Thai man!

Like all Farangs.... I do experience racism... in that I too am looked at as a ATM!

Good Luck,,, Keep both head up!!! LBM

Lover Boy #2

01-07-09, 02:40

Hello Born Loser 5,

No you are not alone. I spent a week in October in Pattaya. I left absolutely disgusted and, like you, with the "racist stuff playing on my mind".

I was thinking of posting an article in a more Asian-frequented forum to tell Asian mongers to avoid Pattaya. Better to take their custom and money elsewhere. IMHO there are so many other better places to go in Thailand, and it is not worth the trouble and humiliation (for non-whites anyway) given the general poor quality of the Pattaya merchandise and racism to boot. But, following your post I changed my mind and am now posting in ISG instead.

By way of background, I am a Singaporean, in my 40s and of Chinese descent. I am tall, considered above average in looks, dress well and am fair with payment for services received. I have little trouble attracting non-P4P British, W European, American or Aussie chicks over the last 20 years when I studied, lived and worked overseas. While I can easily afford to pay premium prices for top-line services, I also enjoy mongering at the bottom end (read Pattaya). I also have traveled extensively throughout Asia and other parts of Thailand and have never encountered the sort of BS I received in Pattaya.

I will not repeat your observations which as Daddy07 states "capture the essense of Pattaya". Below are just 2 examples of the several racist behavior I encountered:

1. Nevada Club, corner of Beach Rd and Soi 13/2. Checking out the soi and saw 4 old farangs being actively solicited at the club's entrance and ushered in. More out of curiosity than anything I followed suit but was stopped by the (suddenly decidedly unfriendly) female at the entrance who said I am not allowed in as I was Asian. When I asked why in English and when she realised I was not a local she changed her mind but demanded 100 bahts entrance fee. WTF!

By the way, the 3 gentlemen before me were, I would say, between 50 and 70 years old, dressed in singlets, shorts and sandals. You get the picture. Let me state however that I know these gentlemen are not representative of all farangs in Pattaya. (Look, I am aware this site is a farang site and I am not trying to start anything so please don't "flame" me as I am merely stating my experience and presenting facts.)

2. Lucifier and Insomnia etc. I had mixed experiences in both these places. My observations: the Thai working ladies (WL) there would eye ANY farang that comes in, approach them, give them the famous Thai smile, dance suggestively around them and some even go as far as groping their crotches. Not the same when I approached them. They would look away, pretend I did not exist. Some kinder ones would say "have boyfriend".

I know we can't be champions all the time, but this is essentially the Asian monger's experience in Pattaya. Fortunately, it is not great loss, as I have said earlier, given the poor quality of merchandise there.

But I wonder why this kind of behaviour (esp in this day and age)? I speculate:

1. Most WL in Pattaya are come from poor Isaan farming families. They would all have little or appalling education unlike their more sophisticated sisters in, say BKK, who are more discerning and are able to differentiate between different types of mongers. Not acceptable behavior but understandable.

2. Pattaya is the *****house of Europe, US, Australia etc and now Russsia as it seems to be set up to cater exclusively for farangs/white mongers. A blind-freddie farang cannot help but score in Pattaya. I was shocked at the number of farang tourists in Pattaya and the domination they have over the the economy. I just hope they do not import their racism to Thailand.

It is ironic that the Thai's are so proud that they have never being colonised but IMHO they are already been well and truly colonised in Pattaya. For the WL there, the farang is their surrogate god and king. And some farangs behave as such (and I don't blame them).

At a personal level, it is sad to see the level they would scoop to to attract ANY (farang) customer. This is quite unlike their sisters in more developed countries of Asia such as Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Hongkong, Singapore or even China or Bangkok where, at least, they operate with some level of reserve and dignity. How do they expect farangs to respect them when they behave so pathetically towards farangs (ie so subserviently and slavishly) while at the same time treat their "own kind" so harshly. Reading the many ISG forums, perhaps, the Pattaya WLs deserve to be treated by farangs as the rubbish (kaya) they are.

Very interesting and well written post.

I have two arguments to your comments...one on a "local knowledge" level and the other on an intellectual point;

1. What happened at the Nevada Club had nothing to do with you at the onset. This club has the girls dancing naked and showing their pussies to farang onlookers during the daytime. They don't want the police involved in their activities....although they are probably paying off someone. It is the manager's opinion that if any Asian enters the club, that all dancing should stop....and the girls should not be showing off their moneymakers to anyone. When a girls is dancing and an Asian enters, they immediately dislodge from the stage and the party is over. So, you wouldn't know this as a tourist.....but that is what happened. Then you apparently continued the conversation and continued to want to enter.....so the genius came up with the entry fee plan...still to get rid of you. This has nothing to do with racism....it is the belief that Asians might be local...might be police (or police connected).....at least that is what I was told by the manager and observed a few times.

2. This "own kind" thing of Asian solidarity is a mistake to believe in. The Japanese tried to instill an "Asian" identity to all the peoples of Asia to get them to be one....of course under the direct supervision and control of the new God.....Japan. This is not anti-Japanese rant, but a fact of history that Japan tried to convince all Asian nations that under the new world order, Asians would be at the top of the heap. We all know how this plan went. More Thais died than British troops in Thailand over the slave labour the Japanese imposed. Asians do not, for the most part (you excluded from this) believe that all Asians are equal. Thais especially do not believe that all Asians are one. The uneducated girls believe that Thais are one thing.....but Chinese, Japanese and Koreans are another. They might see some baht signs when they look at these groups, but they have their own prejudices as it relates to payment, time necessary to close a deal.....and the quality of the experience (the last issue will only affect those girls who have been in the business a short time!). Simply stated, they do not consider all Asians to be their "own kind"....so their preferences should not be held against them based on this solidarity....which does not exist to them (and possibly to most Asians). I do not feel solidarity to farangs.....they are surely not my "own kind"....and even those coming from my own country can range all over the place!!

The rest of your comments ring quite true however.

Daddy07

01-07-09, 02:43

...I spent a week in October in Pattaya. I left absolutely disgusted and, like you, with the "racist stuff playing on my mind"...
Hi Paul 100,

Your report is excellent, informative, and very well written. I’m sorry you left Pattaya disgusted because of the racist treatment you received. These stories never cease to amaze me. Thais seem to hate everyone, especially other Thais. I will never understand what motivates them.

Pattaya does seem to cater to farangs, but we get our share of discrimination too. If, for example, you visited the crocodile farm here, you would probably be charged the same as the Thais because you are Asian. I had to pay the ‘farang’ rate which is substantially more. It pissed me off but I bit my lip and paid up. There are bars here that cater only to Asians. Many girls prefer only Japanese customers because they are perceived as less demanding and higher paying. We are told that in Bangkok there are many massage parlors which discourage farang customers with a costly surcharge which you would not be expected to pay.

I often get plenty of attention from the bar girls when I walk in. They come over to introduce themselves. They sit next to and sidle up to me, all smiles and kisses. They massage my arms, legs, and grab my dick. Wonderful! The only problem is that many times it’s the wrong girl and the one I really want won’t even make eye contact with me. Some girls will even give me a grimace instead of a smile – very disconcerting indeed – their body language tells it all. Then the little hottie has the temerity to go and sit with the creepiest looking fuck in the bar and fawn all over him.

Is it discrimination? Hell yes. It ain’t fair. My solution: forget about it and go to the next bar.

Thai women are beyond understanding.

Daddy07

01-07-09, 03:10

. I myself am short and look like one of the three stooges ( Curly )...
Nah ... I think you're a handsum man and look much more like Moe (Curly's brother). :D

Paul100

01-07-09, 03:21

Hi Paul 100,

Thais seem to hate everyone, especially other Thais. I will never understand what motivates them.

.....They massage my arms, legs, and grab my dick. Wonderful! The only problem is that many times it’s the wrong girl and the one I really want won’t even make eye contact with me. Some girls will even give me a grimace instead of a smile – very disconcerting indeed – their body language tells it all. Then the little hottie has the temerity to go and sit with the creepiest looking fuck in the bar and fawn all over him.

Thai women are beyond understanding.Hi Daddy07,

I like your writing style and sense of humour. Keep it up.

Paul100

Run Mann

01-07-09, 03:25

Hello Born Loser 5,
I was shocked at the number of farang tourists in Pattaya and the domination they have over the the economy.

Just curious as to how you determined the "domination Falangs have over the economy". Surely they were not ISG members because many here are trying to save save 40B haggling with a taxi driver or getting worked up because the Baht Bus fare was 10B as opposed to 5 or even bargaining for a lower rate on a ST session even though the girl quoted 500B for the session.

Seriously though recommend you check two clubs that cater to Asian men, Super Baby and Super Girl a GO GO. I have seen Asian men come in, call mamasan over, select a girl or two in less than five minutes and off they go. Oh and they have some of the best lookers in Pattaya.

Warbucks

01-07-09, 04:43

Hello Born Loser 5,

No you are not alone. I spent a week in October in Pattaya. I left absolutely disgusted and, like you, with the "racist stuff playing on my mind".
....

I am definitely non-white. 100 percent. Every damn time I have been to Pattaya I have had a fucking blast. Every time I go the door girls are all over me screaming chocolate man. Back in 06’ one even bar-fined herself and followed me back to my hotel and fucked me into submission for free. I had to kick her out because she was insatiable. Can’t believe you received this treatment in the biggest outdoor ***** house on earth. The only time I notice any racism in Thailand is in Bangkok and it is slight.

Amjeck

01-07-09, 09:09

At a personal level, it is sad to see the level they would scoop to to attract ANY (farang) customer. This is quite unlike their sisters in more developed countries of Asia such as Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Hongkong, Singapore or even China or Bangkok where, at least, they operate with some level of reserve and dignity. How do they expect farangs to respect them when they behave so pathetically towards farangs (ie so subserviently and slavishly) while at the same time treat their "own kind" so harshly. Reading the many ISG forums, perhaps, the Pattaya WLs deserve to be treated by farangs as the rubbish (kaya) they are.

Don't let the girls of Pattaya get you down. Pattaya has the lowest class p4p hooks in Thailand. They have no manners, come from the worst families, and are dirty (always wear condoms). Most girls first choice would probably be some white skinned western guy, but they will fuck anybody and everybody. There is far better meat in other parts of Thailand, but your gonna pay for it. Most asian guys I know wouldn't touch a pattaya girl with a ten foot pole, b/c by asian standards they aren't pretty enough and their skin is too dark.

Daddy07

01-07-09, 09:20

Amjeck

01-07-09, 09:39

Oh, Come on, Amjeck, are you joking?

Maybe Jackson should consider renaming this thread "Racism against Pattaya girls in Thailand."
Why rename it?

Paul100

01-07-09, 16:27

Paul, I agree with you, Asians are treated very differently in Pattaya.

Have you tried Philipihines....Its is much comforting, less compitition , everyone speaks english & much cheaper.

I can bet, you will not face so much resistance in Philiphines and there are many bars which only caters to Asians guys.

You will be treated like a king. :)

Good LuckHi Born Loser 5,

Thanks.

By the way, I think, given your experiences, you were very charitable with the Pattaya WLs in your previous report.

Having lived in farangland for the greater part of my life, I have learned to be a little aggressive and certainly more direct and assertive in my approach to things. Don't put up with nonsense.

Cheers,

Paul100

Paul100

01-07-09, 16:46

Very interesting and well written post.

I have two arguments to your comments. One on a "local knowledge" level and the other on an intellectual point;

1. What happened at the Nevada Club had nothing to do with you at the onset. This club has the girls dancing naked and showing their pussies to farang onlookers during the daytime. They don't want the police involved in their activities. Although they are probably paying off someone. It is the manager's opinion that if any Asian enters the club, that all dancing should stop. And the girls should not be showing off their moneymakers to anyone. When a girls is dancing and an Asian enters, they immediately dislodge from the stage and the party is over. So, you wouldn't know this as a tourist. But that is what happened. Then you apparently continued the conversation and continued to want to enter. So the genius came up with the entry fee plan. Still to get rid of you. This has nothing to do with racism. It is the belief that Asians might be local. Might be police (or police connected). At least that is what I was told by the manager and observed a few times.

2. This "own kind" thing of Asian solidarity is a mistake to believe in. The Japanese tried to instill an "Asian" identity to all the peoples of Asia to get them to be one. Of course under the direct supervision and control of the new God. Japan. This is not anti-Japanese rant, but a fact of history that Japan tried to convince all Asian nations that under the new world order, Asians would be at the top of the heap. We all know how this plan went. More Thais died than British troops in Thailand over the slave labour the Japanese imposed. Asians do not, for the most part (you excluded from this) believe that all Asians are equal. Thais especially do not believe that all Asians are one. The uneducated girls believe that Thais are one thing. But Chinese, Japanese and Koreans are another. They might see some baht signs when they look at these groups, but they have their own prejudices as it relates to payment, time necessary to close a deal. And the quality of the experience (the last issue will only affect those girls who have been in the business a short time! ). Simply stated, they do not consider all Asians to be their "own kind". So their preferences should not be held against them based on this solidarity. Which does not exist to them (and possibly to most Asians). I do not feel solidarity to farangs. They are surely not my "own kind". And even those coming from my own country can range all over the place!

The rest of your comments ring quite true however. Hi Lover Boy #2,

Thanks for the positive feedback.

1. Nevada Club. That probably explains it. Thanks.

2. Asian solidarity. The reference to "own kind" is against the background of having lived abroad in farangland for the greater part of my life and having seen and experienced some of the prejudice and ugly racism directed at non-whites. So I was annoyed to find your average Isaan hookers in Pattaya with attitude towards non-whites like themselves. But this would be well beyond the imagination or comprehension of said subject.

Please do not read meaning beyond this.

Thanks,

Paul100

Paul100

01-07-09, 17:01

Just curious as to how you determined the "domination Falangs have over the economy". Surely they were not ISG members because many here are trying to save save 40B haggling with a taxi driver or getting worked up because the Baht Bus fare was 10B as opposed to 5 or even bargaining for a lower rate on a ST session even though the girl quoted 500B for the session.

Seriously though recommend you check two clubs that cater to Asian men, Super Baby and Super Girl a GO GO. I have seen Asian men come in, call mamasan over, select a girl or two in less than five minutes and off they go. Oh and they have some of the best lookers in Pattaya.Hi Run Mann,

Thanks.

Re: the statement about the domination of farangs in Pattaya, was in the context of "I just hope they do not import their racism to Thailand." and how this may have contributed in modifying Pattaya WLs' behaviour.

In my report I speculated that there may be 2 reasons for many Pattaya WLs' attitude towards Asians. I think this largely can be attributed to the 1st reason ie they have an appalling "education" and don't know much about the broader world outside of Thailand.

I am not anti-farang. Some of my best friends are ..... I just don't like to be treated as a second-class farang by Asians in an Asian country.

Cheers,

Paul100

Paul100

01-07-09, 17:15

Paul100,

First I don't know how you can compare your experience with Born Loser 5, are we reading the same report you quoted? Although the girls weren't jumping up and down and fighting over him he seem to have had a good if not great time. Otherwise why would he indicate " hope to return to Thailand soon " although he made it clear that the Philiphines seems more easy to him.

I want to make it clear before I continue.. I understand this is your personal experience and in NO WAY AM I FLAMGING YOU! We are going to agree to disagree but in no way am I going to say my experience speaks for all Asians.As you noted this is your own personal experience so I'm going to correct you by saying your experience is not " essentially a Asian experience ".

I am Asian, Chinese American born and raised in California. I like you have traveled throughout Asia until I settle in Thailand for good 10 years ago. Although I have only been living here full time for 2 years with my wife and son. I have never once experience anything close to what you have personally experience in Pattaya or anywhere in Thailand. From your description you are much younger and a handsome man. I myself am short and look like one of the three stooges ( Curly ) but never have I been given the cold shoulders by any girl or refuse entry to any club or ask to pay a fee to enter, even the Nevada Club.. I dress the way I want to dress and that is mostly beach wear. For those that have met me from the ISG, all say I look local and I can tell you if I wasn't married I most likely would die from a stroke because I have had offers from so many P4P, and non-p4p, lonely housewives, etc... that I'm going crazy not being able to touch the candy. I have old friends by the number all Chinese American except 1 cracker that have had the same experience in Pattaya and they come and stay for months at a time. I have never enter a place and expect the girls to come to me asap, but never had anyone give me the cold shoulders. Once they find out I'm a American they can't enough of LBM.

Maybe it's your personality I don't know, never met you and maybe you just need to loosen up or something. I feel like taking you under my wing but I'm no missionary! sorry! I have too many of my old friends who I grew up with visiting now coming to Pattaya wanting me to show them the ropes. My wife say's I have too many Farang friends and say's she want me to be 100% Thai! Boy when that happens I can butterfly without ever having to look over my shoulders like a true Thai man!

Like all Farangs.... I do experience racism... in that I too am looked at as a ATM!

Good Luck,,, Keep both head up!!! LBMLittleBigman,

1. Re: Born Loser 5. My point was that "although the girls weren't jumping up and down and fighting over him" (your own words) they were doing that to ANY white farang.

2. Re: Personal experience (in Pattaya) not necessarily Asian experience. Unlike youirself, I am not married to a Thai so cannot claim insider knowledge. However, I am familiar with Thailand having visited regularly for business and pleasure over the last 12 years. I have several non-P4P and P4P Thai girlfriends who I call when I come to Thailand - and I can speak basic Thai. So I have always had a great time in Thailand - even recently in Pattaya though tempered by some unpleasant encounters (or non-encounters).

3. You mentioned that : "I can tell you if I wasn't married I most likely would die from a stroke because I have had offers from so many P4P, and non-p4p, lonely housewives, etc... that I'm going crazy not being able to touch the candy". Like you, I would also most likely die of a stroke but more likely due to too much available pussy in Pattaya i.e. if I were to help myself indiscriminately. The issue is not the availability of pussy. Anyone can walk down Beach Road or the many beer bars and pick up something. Likewise massage parlours where the WLs have to go with any customer. One cannot miss at these guaranteed-outcome places. Perhaps your misunderstanding stems from the fact that I don't want to take out any WL - need to have some standards in this department. Also, what I find pleasurable with mongering is the chase - provided that I have even odds like other mongers. If you read my previous post a bit closer before firing your guns you'll find that I was quite specific regarding venues. For example, I believe the odds are not good for the Asian punter in places like Insommnia where the WLs have freedom of choice. That is the acid test and that is the message you seem to have missed. I suggest you visit Insomnia between 2am and 4am and try your luck ie if you can get away from the missus at that time - if not get one of your many mates to do a reece and provide an update of the scene from an Asian monger's point of view. You should also try Nevada Club to find out for yourself.

4. You statement that "Once they find out I'm a American they can't enough of LBM." reveals precisely the situation that I was trying to avoid. The reason you probably "have had offers from so many P4P, and non-p4p, lonely housewives, etc" may be because you have declared to them you are an ATM. I don't like the idea of walking around with a sticker on my forehead proclaiming "I am an ATM". I don't like advertising my (financial) credentials in order to attract an attractive female. Rather gross don't you think?

5. I am sorry if I am into you a little. This is because while you prefaced your report about not flaming me, you have done so. You have alluded my encounters may be due to my to my personality (must be god having never met me). By the way, pray tell me how I can display my charms when I cannot even get to first base? ie when I cannot even get into Nevada Club or am often ignored when in Insomnia? Also, no need to be so patronising about "taking me under your wing". I am managing fine, thank you very much.

6. In concluding, if you look at some of the responses to my initial report you will note that they have understood what I was talking about: (i) Born Loser 5: "Paul, I agree with you, Asians are treated very differently in Pattaya"; (ii) Sammon: "I have seen Indian men turned away from some bars a while ago. That is real racism"; (iii) Lover Boy 2: "The rest of your comments ring quite true however."; (iv) Daddy07: "Thai women are beyond understanding." - that Pattaya, compared to the rest of Thailand, is not Asian friendly.

7. At a broader level, I am aware that Thais of Chinese descent (and there are many) are 3rd or 4th generation Thais and are very well integrated into Thai society and commercial life and are generally well respected. So all this behaviour by Isaan WLs in pattaya is a bit confusing. Fortunately, no big deal - not much loss here.

Paul100

LittleBigMan

01-08-09, 01:13

Paul100,

I'm not trying to continue an argument with you but I feel you miss the entire point I was making! That's is why I made the statement first that I wasn't flaming you and that I wanted to make a correction to your statement! And that was what you wrote was your experience and not the experience that all Asian have! What I was trying to state to you was that your experience should not end up speaking for all Asians.. including me and that's where my comments come in..... just because you didn't hear what you wanted to here doesn't mean I was flaming you.. Just as you express your opinion I respectfully disagree and express my opinion. Got it..

2nd,,, why is it even necessary for you to be offended going into a any venue and think that because the girls are jumping all over white guys and not you that there's a problem. Personal who give a flying fuck!

3rd,,, I agree any dickhead can get laid on p4p bases in Pattaya. But as I stated and you missed it! I have been to Nevada club, and never had a problem although I haven't been recently. I haven't been to Insomnia but that's where bunch of my buddies all Asian go on a regular bases. They have never come back to me ever and said they had a problem at any place they have visited in Pattaya including Insomnia. Personally I don't venture out into town much in the P4P scene. Just when I need it... without having to work for it. Most of my comments about not being able to taste the candy comes from just doing my normal days shopping or just taking and picking up my son from school.

4th,,, as for a ATM, I will clarify I don't walk around acting like a ATM! My reference is that no matter what you say or how you act to a Thai... being a Farang you will always be looked at as a ATM in their eyes whether it's p4p or non-p4p. I walk around mostly in colorful swim trucks, T-shirts, and flip flop and I couldn't give a flying fuck what anyone thinks of me. I take the good with the bad and if it get too bad... I dish out the bad too. I'm on a budget living in Pattaya... I make it a point not to overpaid and that includes any stunner that want to overcharge. P4P is dime a dozen if they don't want to come because of the money or the color of my skin is not right. That's their lost. Not mines... see the different in style?

5th, Indirectly I was trying to let you know I wasn't flaming you or getting too personal I try to put some humor into my opinions but you took it as a personal attack on your personality. Personally who cares if you get to first base or it's a level playing field... When it comes to p4p... who cares about the rules of the game. What matters is do you hit a homerun. If you are looking for fairness you are living in the wrong world. Certainly I'm not patronising you. But from your response I pretty much figure you out even though I haven't met you. And this is just my opinion...and I'll tip toe to it..
" you just too uptight brother " like you got a stick up your ass... why you need to be anyone but yourself unless you're upset you're not white! I can see you been around but get yourself some S&M sex to loosen up and quite being so sensitive. You got looks, money, job, and of course you're doing good with pussy. Why you need to worry about what the white man is getting.

Ask you say Paul100, No big Deal... let it go... and enjoy yourselve. Take off the white shirt and tie and get yourself loose. You're getting me uptight with this race B.S. Like I said I have never had a problem in bars, clubs, or living with the Thai's... I don't give a flying fuck,,, where they are from and what % they are Thai, chinese, who cares........... all the same.

In the end, express your opinion and let others do the same without calling it flaming. Now with this response I'll be the first to omit there is some flaming! But get over it. Give me a call next time you're in town... I'll invite you to eat with my wife and I along with some of her local friends.

Retired Army,,, I figure it... but I don't stay anywhere my wife or son isn't wanted and I don't take kindly to that rule of thumb.. but personally I never had a problem.

and... Daddy07, I'm Curly not Moe!

Lover Boy #2

01-08-09, 06:57

Don't let the girls of Pattaya get you down. Pattaya has the lowest class p4p hooks in Thailand. They have no manners, come from the worst families, and are dirty (always wear condoms). Most girls first choice would probably be some white skinned western guy, but they will fuck anybody and everybody. There is far better meat in other parts of Thailand, but your gonna pay for it. Most asian guys I know wouldn't touch a pattaya girl with a ten foot pole, b/c by asian standards they aren't pretty enough and their skin is too dark.

....and quite frankly (based on my own discussions) most Asian guys in the know, consider that Pattaya has the "lowest class p4p hooks in Thailand".....who have no manners, are low class and most importantly "dirty". That is just the way it is. Some Asian guys are shocked when I tell them I am taking a week-end in Pattaya. They make comments like "make sure you wear two condoms", "don't let the girl suck you without a condom", etc. They really believe that the Pattaya girls are filth. A few guys have even made comments that the HIV rate is highest among Pattaya girls.....of course not being able to supply true evidence....only anecdotal.

Daddy07

01-08-09, 07:28

Don't let the girls of Pattaya get you down. Pattaya has the lowest class p4p hooks in Thailand. They have no manners, come from the worst families, and are dirty (always wear condoms). Most girls first choice would probably be some white skinned western guy, but they will fuck anybody and everybody. There is far better meat in other parts of Thailand, but your gonna pay for it. Most asian guys I know wouldn't touch a pattaya girl with a ten foot pole, b/c by asian standards they aren't pretty enough and their skin is too dark.

(tongue in cheek??)....and quite frankly (based on my own discussions) most Asian guys in the know, consider that Pattaya has the "lowest class p4p hooks in Thailand".....who have no manners, are low class and most importantly "dirty". That is just the way it is. Some Asian guys are shocked when I tell them I am taking a week-end in Pattaya. They make comments like "make sure you wear two condoms", "don't let the girl suck you without a condom", etc. They really believe that the Pattaya girls are filth. A few guys have even made comments that the HIV rate is highest among Pattaya girls.....of course not being able to supply true evidence....only anecdotal.
Yes, the Pattaya girls are all ugly, dark skinned, filthy, dirty, low class hooks, completely lacking in manners, riddled with HIV, along with every other sexually transmitted and communicable disease known to science. I have observed unlucky punters dropping dead on the spot after shaking hands with these creatures without wearing two pairs of gloves.

That is just the way it is … so STAY AWAY!!! STAY AWAY!!!

(You won’t be missed)

Warbucks

01-08-09, 07:33

They make comments like "make sure you wear two condoms", "don't let the girl suck you without a condom", etc. They really believe that the Pattaya girls are filth. A few guys have even made comments that the HIV rate is highest among Pattaya girls.....of course not being able to supply true evidence....only anecdotal.

Once prominent comedian Eddie Murphy said it best…”fucking is like shooting dice”… you crap out or lose when you catch an STD. You take a risk with any girl you fuck in this day and age and the deck is definitely stacked against you when you play with hookers no matter where they call home….

Run Mann

01-08-09, 10:30

Hi Run Mann,
Thanks.

Re: the statement about the domination of farangs in Pattaya, was in the context of "I just hope they do not import their racism to Thailand." and how this may have contributed in modifying Pattaya WLs' behaviour.
Paul100
Paul,

Sadly you are hoping against hope, racism already exists against every race in Thailand including some Thais. Also not sure how up to date you are on the new pattaya scene but there are many Karaoke/KTV type clubs popping up around town catering to Asian males. Falangs are not allowed in many of those clubs. Perhaps your experience has soured you so much though that you might want to put Pattaya in your rear view mirror.

Satrai2000

01-08-09, 21:30

The fact that Asians are not allowed into some (farang-oriented) bars has more to do with the farangs being racist than the Thais being racist.

LittleBigMan

01-08-09, 21:58

I always thought, girls from throughout Thailand and outside of Thailand whether fair skin or dark skin or racist or non-racist start off in Bangkok. Because that's the place to be and to be seen and where the big money is! right. Then they get used up like a old condom get butt ugly, catch a STD, get burn by Farangs telling them they're be back and that they love them.

Now I understand why all the women in Pattaya act and look the way they are! It's so simple why didn't I get it the first time?

LBM

Paul100

01-09-09, 15:23

Paul,

Sadly you are hoping against hope, racism already exists against every race in Thailand including some Thais. Also not sure how up to date you are on the new pattaya scene but there are many Karaoke/KTV type clubs popping up around town catering to Asian males. Falangs are not allowed in many of those clubs. Perhaps your experience has soured you so much though that you might want to put Pattaya in your rear view mirror.Run Mann,

I am aware of the existence of many of these types of clubs especially in Bangkok. However, they are not my scene. Also, as a matter of principle, I don't want to patronize any establishment - even those that welcome me with open arms - that have admission policies based on race or ethnicity. I think they stink.

Re: Pattaya. The place is already history for me. There are so many places elsewhere in Thailand where the hunting and game is so much more superior.

Cheers,

Paul100

Satrai2000

01-09-09, 21:43

Lover Boy #2

01-10-09, 06:31

Yes, the Pattaya girls are all ugly, dark skinned, filthy, dirty, low class hooks, completely lacking in manners, riddled with HIV, along with every other sexually transmitted and communicable disease known to science. I have observed unlucky punters dropping dead on the spot after shaking hands with these creatures without wearing two pairs of gloves.

That is just the way it is … so STAY AWAY!!! STAY AWAY!!!

(You won’t be missed)

DUDE...WTF.....slow down!!

I said that Thai and other Asian friends hear the words "weekend in Pattaya" and make those comments. I certainly did not say that I made those comments...and ended that they had no evidence of the HIV statistics they were spouting.

Making a comment like "Stay Away.......You won't be missed".....is really uncalled for. Calm down, take some alzheimer drugs and it will be better in the morning.

Lover Boy #2

01-10-09, 06:34

Run Mann,

I am aware of the existence of many of these types of clubs especially in Bangkok. However, they are not my scene. Also, as a matter of principle, I don't want to patronize any establishment - even those that welcome me with open arms - that have admission policies based on race or ethnicity. I think they stink.
Paul100

My feelings exactly....you are a good man and don't deserve this kind of bad behavior you have experienced. Best of luck on future outings!!

NicFrenchy

01-10-09, 07:03

The fact that Asians are not allowed into some (farang-oriented) bars has more to do with the farangs being racist than the Thais being racist.

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
The fact that Asians (more precisely Thais because, last time I checked, Japanese are allowed adn still Asians) are not allowed has Nothing to do with Farangs but more with the girls working there.

They do not want to see the boyfriends or family come to their workplace.

Daddy07

01-10-09, 07:53

DUDE...WTF.....slow down!!

I said that Thai and other Asian friends hear the words "weekend in Pattaya" and make those comments. I certainly did not say that I made those comments...and ended that they had no evidence of the HIV statistics they were spouting.

Making a comment like "Stay Away.......You won't be missed".....is really uncalled for. Calm down, take some alzheimer drugs and it will be better in the morning.
Go back and look at my post, DUDE, and you will see that I wasn’t sure whether or not you were serious when I inserted (tongue in cheek??) inside your quote. Now it is apparent that you WERE serious, DUDE.

You specifically said: “… and quite frankly (based on my own discussions) most Asian guys in the know, consider that Pattaya has the ‘lowest class p4p hooks in Thailand’…. who have no manners, are low class and most importantly ‘dirty’. That is just the way it is.”

‘Quite frankly,’ and ‘most importantly,’ it sounds to me like you agree with your friends, DUDE; at least the ones who are ‘in the know,’ and ‘that is just the way it is.’

If you don’t agree with your stupid friends, and Amjeck, who started all this bigoted nonsense about Pattaya girls, why don’t you just say so, DUDE, and I’ll be happy to calm down?

Run Mann

01-10-09, 08:39

Run Mann,

Also, as a matter of principle, I don't want to patronize any establishment - even those that welcome me with open arms - that have admission policies based on race or ethnicity. I think they stink.

Cheers,

Paul100

Paul,

You wouldn't happen too be the great biblical Saint Paul would you? :)

Seriously, I applaud your stance and hope you keep posting, you seem to have a plethora of valuable information to offer the board, good luck.

Run Mann

01-10-09, 08:46

The fact that Asians are not allowed into some (farang-oriented) bars has more to do with the farangs being racist than the Thais being racist.

What about Asian (Japanese) only bars that Falangs are not allowed in?

Amjeck

01-10-09, 08:56

and Amjeck, who started all this bigoted nonsense about Pattaya girls,
What I said is pretty much how it is down there in Pattaya. Go down and have a look and judge for yourself. If you know anything about thailand you will see what I said is true. My post may seem "bigoted", but that is your take on it. If you adore Pattaya girls then that is up to you. I make frequent visits down to Pattaya b/c it can be fun a lot of times. I don't adore the girls down there nor do I think they are the prettiest or cleanest in Thailand. They are, however, cheaper than Bkk girls and you get what you pay for. Enough of the back and forth, b/c this has nothing to do with racism.

M P Lurker

01-10-09, 09:56

Go down and have a look and judge for yourself. .......b/c this has nothing to do with racism.
Most of us know Daddy07 has been in Pattaya for a long time and will know what is going on.

By the way, "b/c" and similar SMS-ing style abbreviations are not well accepted on this forum, as it looks ugly to read, and is against the offical rules. We are encouraged to use proper English to the best of our abilities. There is however, a list of standard recognised abbreviations for common expressions, such as P4P.

Daddy07

01-10-09, 10:07

What I said is pretty much how it is down there in Pattaya. Go down and have a look and judge for yourself. If you know anything about thailand you will see what I said is true. My post may seem "bigoted", but that is your take on it. If you adore Pattaya girls then that is up to you. I make frequent visits down to Pattaya b/c it can be fun a lot of times. I don't adore the girls down there nor do I think they are the prettiest or cleanest in Thailand. They are, however, cheaper than Bkk girls and you get what you pay for. Enough of the back and forth, b/c this has nothing to do with racism.
I don’t need to “go down and have a look,” because I’ve lived in Pattaya long enough now to know that all this shit about Pattaya girls being the ‘lowest form of scum, etc.’ in Thailand is ridiculous, and goes well beyond honest opinion which is always welcome here.

That kind of trash talk and over the top generalization adds absolutely no useful information to the forum, but spreads only falsehood, ignorance and prejudice about an entire group of women, which, I think, is akin to racism.

Amjeck

01-10-09, 11:53

I don’t need to “go down and have a look,” because I’ve lived in Pattaya long enough now to know that all this shit about Pattaya girls being the ‘lowest form of scum, etc.’ in Thailand is ridiculous, and goes well beyond honest opinion which is always welcome here.

That kind of trash talk and over the top generalization adds absolutely no useful information to the forum, but spreads only falsehood, ignorance and prejudice about an entire group of women, which, I think, is akin to racism.

This is my honest opinion and it is the opinion of most of the Thai People I've met outside of Pattaya. So there you have it. Not ridiculous!

Your views may differ and that is fine. Sounds like you have a love for Pattaya and I understand why. I've spent years in Pattaya also, but i've never been delusional about the girls. Again, they are cheap and fun, so that makes it good.

I still back my previous statements and if you show us all how well mannered these immaculate girls who come from good thai families are, I'd be happy to debate it in the "pattaya section" not here. This is racism section.

...and no my statements are not racist in any fashion.

Amjeck

01-10-09, 11:55

Most of us know Daddy07 has been in Pattaya for a long time and will know what is going on.

Daddy07 is only one guy with one opinion.

NicFrenchy

01-10-09, 12:51

What about Asian (Japanese) only bars that Falangs are not allowed in?

This has nothing to do with the Thais. It is the wish of the Japanese. Why? I have no idea, but I guess it has nothing to do with Small dick size.

Satrai2000

01-10-09, 21:57

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

The fact that Asians (more precisely Thais because, last time I checked, Japanese are allowed adn still Asians) are not allowed has Nothing to do with Farangs but more with the girls working there.

They do not want to see the boyfriends or family come to their workplace.Dumbest thing you ever heard?

Let me repeat this "dumbest thing ever heard": the fact that in some farang-oriented bars Asians like me (Indian-Asian) are not allowed has more to do with the farangs being racist than the Thais being racist.

Why? Because part of these farangs come from racist shitholes in western Europe. These dudes do not want to sit together with non-white men in "their" bars (however they want to screw non-white girls). The Thais are aware of this and hence think it's better that non-whites are denied entry.

LittleBigMan

01-11-09, 02:01

Man oh Man,

All this talk... I'm going to assume that we are discussing girls in the P4P scene. I would assume those who say they have lived in Pattaya for a long time are just talking about P4P girls. Now when one says they are dirty! Are they dirty that they might have STD diseases or they don't bathe?

It is within everyones right to give their opinions but let me just express my own since living here in Pattaya. I have been around P4P and Non-P4P and the woment that I have met I believe gives me a broader view and maybe others who might have had the same experience can add to this...

If we are talking dirty in terms of STD,,,, since we aren't able to test each one we see or talk to I'm going to assume everyone is just generalizing their assumptions. That they are dirty.... if you know girls in Pattaya are just that lead me to the stats and prove it instead of spending time denying the assumptions that are being made!

If we talking they don't bath and they smell then let me tell you my experience from being around local Thai's that work in P4P and those who don't. I can't defend the rich ones that live in Pattaya and yes there are rich Thai in Pattaya. Use your common sense and look at the cars that travel the roads throughout Pattaya. They aren't all own by Farangs and Expats living here. If some of you ever venture outside of WS, or Beach Rd. and 24/7 visits in beerbars you might come away with a different opinion.

It could be education, it could be monetary resources that they can't dress or improve themselves etc.... so that guys like you will pick them every hour of the day. They have limitation like choosing between feeding their kids, sending them to school and having shoes, clothes for their kids. The smart ones make the right choices instead of buying new jeans for themselves or sexy tops for you guys to look at... There is a bigger picture here fellas than satisfying our needs. I live with the poor and I see many of them only eat once a day so they can save for their kids.

But when it comes to keeping themselves clean they do the best with what they have... Majority of them have no access to hot water... they share 1 bathroom with a large family but they all take the time to bath minimum of twice a day. I have seen women working in construction sites all day long and live in make shift house made out of tin... yet they make a area to allow themselves to take a bath and clean the few items they have. In the end they do the best with what they have.

Thailand is a country of have and have nots... and many working the P4P scene I would be the first to assume are poor otherwise why work in the business? The poor Thai, sit and eat on the floor, they share their limited food with their family and friends and yes they use their hands too eat...does that make them dirty!

In the end fellas this is just my opinion! There is a bigger picture than just assumptions and narrow views! Don't forget where you are and why you are here! and if you think that only Thai's are dirty! Go have breakfast at the Apex Hotel... you miight see this skinny Farang who is seating by himself smell like he hasn't taken a bath or change his clothes in a month. You can't miss him..

TT, shouldn't have to move the conversation to the other thread... we are on the right Thread... whether some of you want to omit it or not!

LBM

Old Thai Hand

01-11-09, 02:38

While I'm no fan of Pattaya, more because of the large number of bizarre Farang freaks there (not you Daddy :)) than anything else, I think that the P4P girls, while not that attractive IMO, are just as fastidiously clean as anywhere else in a country that is obsessed with showering.

The irony, given some comments here is that if anyone stinks and is dirty in this country, it's the Thai-Chinese, probably the very people who look down their noses at Pattaya. I'm sure I've had more exposure to the high mucky mucky lot in LOS than anyone on ISG, and can tell you that get under all that expensive Dior perfume and cologne and they're not always that clean. I've had some HiSo Thai-Chinese students that were downright rank. One of my teaching assistants, a chap from the UK, who lived in China for many years, and has noticed this as well, says he's not surprised. The Thai-Chinese are often more Chinese than Thai and he says the Chinese are not very concerned with personal hygiene.

I think if other Asians are making negative remarks about the girls in Pattaya, they should stop and take a whiff of themselves.

Lover Boy #2

01-11-09, 03:06

Go back and look at my post, DUDE, and you will see that I wasn’t sure whether or not you were serious when I inserted (tongue in cheek??) inside your quote. Now it is apparent that you WERE serious, DUDE.

You specifically said: “… and quite frankly (based on my own discussions) most Asian guys in the know, consider that Pattaya has the ‘lowest class p4p hooks in Thailand’…. who have no manners, are low class and most importantly ‘dirty’. That is just the way it is.”

‘Quite frankly,’ and ‘most importantly,’ it sounds to me like you agree with your friends, DUDE; at least the ones who are ‘in the know,’ and ‘that is just the way it is.’

If you don’t agree with your stupid friends, and Amjeck, who started all this bigoted nonsense about Pattaya girls, why don’t you just say so, DUDE, and I’ll be happy to calm down?

Is it possible that you are challenged in your own native language?

“… and quite frankly (based on my own discussions) most Asian guys in the know, consider that Pattaya has the ‘lowest class p4p hooks in Thailand’…. who have no manners, are low class and most importantly ‘dirty’. That is just the way it is.” (This sentence means that based on my discussions with Asian guys <mostly Thais but not exclusively Thais>, that they feel that girls in Pattaya are low class hookers who are dirty <non shower issues, HIV/STD issues implied> and that I was risking my life going to Pattaya for the weekend and fucking them <with condom>. "That is just the way it is" means that that is the way a lot of Asians/Thais feel about Pattaya. They feel that the farangs can have all they want of these filthy, low class, Thai girls....as they want no part of them. It does not mean that that is my opinion of the situation, as obviously, I was the one going to Pattaya to have some fun with these girls. I do not feel that way wise one, or I would not be going there to expose myself to the things that they feel exist.

‘Quite frankly,’ and ‘most importantly,’ it sounds to me like you agree with your friends, DUDE; at least the ones who are ‘in the know,’ and ‘that is just the way it is.’ (This means that Amjeck had the idea right, as far as my observations of how Asian and Thai people feel about Thai girls in Pattaya and Pattaya in general. "Quite frankly"....means it is a tough thought....but it is true that they feel this way. Again, wise one, I do not feel this way....or I would not be shooting sperm into Thai Pattaya hooker pussy. Can you understand this translation?)

By "in the know".....I meant to say Thai and other Asian men who are mongers. I am not talking about some guy who has no knowledge of this scene. I am talking about guys who are having sex with prostitutes......just not Pattaya prostitutes. They are also the guys who seem to read HIV/STD statistics....in Thai.....that I have no knowledge of....but they claim that they do. They read Asian newspapers and one is a doctor at a prominent BKK hospital. I think they are in the know....these same guys can find the best restaurants and one even got me a great deal on a dealer new BMW....a deal that I could not get myself. Is he a prostitute expert....I don't know....but living in BKK most of his life, having worked some parts in the U.S., speaking 3 languages fluently (Thai, English, German).....and being a generally smart guy....I would say he is "in the know" on certain subjects. Another guy is similar in ciriculum vitae, and another is a Thai woman (leather business owner) who claims the Thai hookers in Pattaya are "filthy" (again, not shower realted but HIV/STD related). OK wise one....I don't feel this way......I am a Pattaya *****fucker.....get it?

My associates are not stupid, they know more about Thailand and all things Thai than you and I could ever hope to learn. Amjeck was stating his opinion....this is an opinion forum...he is not stupid, so please don't attack the guy on that level. It is an unwarranted attack. He has explained what he means.

So, I don't agree that all Pattaya girls are carriers of HIV/STD's.....the comments made by my associates have made me very careful of condom usage and trying to be careful in general. I visit Pattaya even more infrequently as a result of all these locals telling me that I am taking my life in my hands by playing with these girls. You take your chances on every encounter....you play the game...let's hope we don't have to pay the price.

Now Dude, be Sabai Sabai....calm down, have a cold drink.....it will all be OK.

Daddy07

01-11-09, 03:56

Daddy07

01-11-09, 04:09

...I visit Pattaya even more infrequently as a result of all these locals telling me that I am taking my life in my hands by playing with these girls...
Well good for you!

And, like I said before ... you won't be missed... DUDE.

Lover Boy #2

01-11-09, 04:18

Pattaya is a well known foreign tourist destination which can probably boast the highest concentration of prostitutes per capita than any other city in Thailand. Sex for money is a major service industry here. That alone explains why other Thais who don’t live here, and are bigoted by upbringing anyway, might have low opinions about the place.

So if some one wants to say: “Pattaya is a den of iniquity,” or “Pattaya is the wh*rehouse of Thailand,” OK, I’ll accept that as credible, useful, honest opinion.

What goes beyond credulity, however, are blanket assertions that Pattaya p4p girls are the ugliest, filthiest, dirtiest, most disease ridden, low-life scum bags of Thailand. This is bullshit which adds nothing useful to the forum.

We are left to wonder -- compared to what? The Nana car park girls? Patpong girls? Soi Cowboy girls? The shabby little upcountry brothel girls of Issan? Are we supposed to think that every Pattaya hooker, from go-go dancer to Beach Road freelancer, is worse in character and cleanliness than all the other p4p girls in Thailand?

But what the hell … you can’t reason with a bigot.

I totally agree!!

These guys all use the upper end Rachada clubs, believing that gives them some level of security and safety.

I have never been convinced of this theory. I have argued all of the points you bring above......they just repeat that the girls in Pattaya are disease ridden and that Pattaya is a disgrace to Thailand. Your comparisons above are very accurate. However, these guys sit on the upper floor of Poseidon believing that all is well in their world.

This whole thing started with poor Paul and the way he was treated in Pattaya. He made some comments and other points concerning Asians and their feelings. These issues fell to this point, because a few were making the point that all Asians are not one and there are some diverse opinions out there. I processed my first post just to show how many Asians feel about Pattaya in general....and they really feel this way.

You are also right that the Asians/Thais making these comments are bigotted. It probably has a lot to do with the Issan numbers in P4P in Pattaya and the fact that for the most part, these guys (and woman) are Central Thais. It might also have to do with the "in your face" style in Pattaya as opposed to BKK, where a lot of the action is more an indoor sport (minus Nana, Patpong and Soi Cowboy....but even these have a more European "entertainment" aspect to them).

A Pattaya Thai prostitute was watching television in my loom....a commercial came on Sophon cable....it was telling the virtues of Pattaya....the sports, the beach, the shopping, the good life etc.....she turned to me and said in Thai "Pattaya city of prostitutes and ladyboys".....and that from the horse's mouth as it were.

Lover Boy #2

01-11-09, 04:20

Well good for you!

And, like I said before ... you won't be missed... DUDE.

You really have the mind of a child.....maybe that is really why you live in Pattaya? A lot of the girls there are playing with the same deck. I have tried to answer your attacks, but you can have the last word on this, wise one.........

Daddy07

01-11-09, 05:26

You really have the mind of a child.....maybe that is really why you live in Pattaya? A lot of the girls there are playing with the same deck. I have tried to answer your attacks, but you can have the last word on this, wise one.........
Ok, thanks, I’ll take the last word.

Let’s see … in the same paragraph, you call me “wise one,” but I “really have the mind of a child,” yet you apparently “totally agree!!” with me. (See your previous post below) You “don’t agree” with your bigoted Asian friends, but “visit Pattaya less frequently now” because of what they tell you about the dirty dangerous girls here.

Hey, I’ve got nothing against you personally, Lover Boy 2, and don’t mean to “attack” you, but if you and others are so worried about mingling with my Pattaya sweethearts because of unfounded, unsubstantiated, bigoted gossip, I understand, and simply say: Stay safe! Stay away! You won’t be missed and there will be more honey for me. :)

Peace, Brother, and best regards,
Daddy

M P Lurker

01-11-09, 07:45

M P Lurker

01-11-09, 08:03

So, I don't agree that all Pattaya girls are carriers of HIV/STD's.....the comments made by my associates have made me very careful of condom usage and trying to be careful in general. I visit Pattaya even more infrequently as a result of all these locals telling me that I am taking my life in my hands by playing with these girls.
I can't see that daddy07 is demonstrating the "mind of a child" or attacking you other than pointing out that you seem to be taking notice of unfounded views of Thais looking down on the presumed lower class girls of Pattaya and believing that there is very high HIV there. Personally, I don't know.

Its wasn't an attack on you but more on seemingly self contardictory statements when you say you fully agree with daddy07 but will believe the contradictory Thai views.

Some credible official figures please! Are HIV rates in Pattaya girls higher than BKK bargirls? Are they higher than general Thai population who don't like to use condoms?
No one gives a shit what Thai mates think IF its not based on some sort of factual information collected.

I find girls with no bargirl experience too easily willing to not use a condom more so than P4P. I therefore expect them to have higher risk of HIV (not being tested too).
I prefer more classy establishments that require girls to have regular test, and MPs with in house staff for blood tests even better.

Lover Boy #2

01-11-09, 08:49

I can't see that daddy07 is demonstrating the "mind of a child" or attacking you other than pointing out that you seem to be taking notice of unfounded views of Thais looking down on the presumed lower class girls of Pattaya and believing that there is very high HIV there. Personally, I don't know.

Its wasn't an attack on you but more on seemingly self contardictory statements when you say you fully agree with daddy07 but will believe the contradictory Thai views.

Some credible official figures please! Are HIV rates in Pattaya girls higher than BKK bargirls? Are they higher than general Thai population who don't like to use condoms?
No one gives a shit what Thai mates think IF its not based on some sort of factual information collected.

I find girls with no bargirl experience too easily willing to not use a condom more so than P4P. I therefore expect them to have higher risk of HIV (not being tested too).
I prefer more classy establishments that require girls to have regular test, and MPs with in house staff for blood tests even better.

It's called a quandary I believe.....on one side is the standing opinion by Asian/Thai businessmen who use BKK pros stating that Pattaya is Pattaya Dangerous, a general shit hole, a disgrace, etc. On the other side are my own feelings that the whole game is a crapshoot...so be careful wherever you are. The comments are not self condradictory....it is called looking at both sides of the issue. This all started because of Paul's poor treatment in Pattaya and the comments that Thais would not want to be seen with a Pattaya prostitute. That's all on that.

Yes, the Pattaya girls are all ugly, dark skinned, filthy, dirty, low class hooks, completely lacking in manners, riddled with HIV, along with every other sexually transmitted and communicable disease known to science. I have observed unlucky punters dropping dead on the spot after shaking hands with these creatures without wearing two pairs of gloves.

That is just the way it is … so STAY AWAY!!! STAY AWAY!!!

(You won’t be missed)

As to what I consider to be childish comments and an infantile way of conducting one's self......let's just put that one to bed also......

Daddy07

01-11-09, 12:40

...I think if other Asians are making negative remarks about the girls in Pattaya, they should stop and take a whiff of themselves.
You’ve told us many times that Thais love to look down their noses at any and all people they believe are ‘beneath’ them socially, economically, and intellectually, (oops! Is there such a thing as an intellectual Thai? I’ve not met one yet), especially sex workers, who are perceived to lie at the bottom of the social order; and farangs, who are perceived as filthy barbarians.

Ergo, since Pattaya is home to the densest concentration of sex workers in the kingdom, who cater largely to farangs, it’s no wonder that the city is considered by many as the “sewer” of Thailand, and its sex workers the dirtiest of them all.

Run Mann

01-11-09, 12:43

Some credible official figures please! Are HIV rates in Pattaya girls higher than BKK bargirls? Are they higher than general Thai population who don't like to use condoms?

Just how would anyone determine credible official figures? Some of these girls do move around, it is conceivable that a Pattaya BG could have contracted HIV/STD from an encounter in Bangkok, Phuket or any of number of places in Thailand. The same can also be said of a Bangkok BG who moved around from other cities. Then there are those in the general populous who never get tested for HIV/STDs but are infected. Those numbers would also skew any stats one can gather because they would not be included in the sample.

Some people will love Pattaya and some will hate it, no one will change their views based on what is written here. We’ve always had generalizations on this board and it will most likely continue. Generalities are what lead to these of type discussions but for me, there is more to Pattaya than just P4P, perhaps if people stepped away from that scene (easier said than done) every once in a while they would have a different view of the place. Here are a few non nude Pattaya pics.

LittleBigMan

01-11-09, 20:44

As RunMan, indicated it is all generalizations. Personally, when I hear things like it came from guys in the know, they are Doctors, educators, professions, locals. I just want to throw up! or take out my 9MM and shoot down a few redwood trees. Just because they are educated everything that comes out of their month must be true! Unless their opinions is directly related to their own profession! Anything outside of their profession is no more in doubt than any other person giving me their opinions. People got to have some ability to try to breakdown what is being said to come to a sensible conclusion. But maybe that's too much to ask from people and maybe that's why politician spin everything because the majority of people just don't get what is being said. Doctors, profession, educated people don't come away from University with " All world degrees "

These people regardless of race, throughout seem to think so highly of themselves. Like priest, politicians, etcc...these elite thinking Thai are the ones going visiting establishments and not using safe sex and doing guys in ass and then turn around and talking others are dirty! What a joke...! Not knowing the full history of Pattaya, I do know it was originally a fishing village so where did the increase in population come from-where did all l these dirty bitches come from... maybe lets start with Bangkok for starters. From my experience and my opinion these educated and so call professionals might be the worse bunch in general of all the Thai's.

To end! I know some Asians in the know have told me the reason all the Farangs come to Thailand is to spread disease throughout the country.

LBM

Satrai2000

01-14-09, 20:56

NicFrenchy

01-15-09, 04:21

However, I can assure you that Singapore is more racist, and then I mean the ethnic Chinese. Vicious, denigrating remarks, in particular towards Malays but also towards ethnic Indians (like me).

Satrai, Thai are worse. the only difference is that they will not publicly show it to your face. They will smile at you, help you and then tell all their friends how disgusting and smelly and other awful things you are. All this happends behind your back.

I will always remember something that happened to me at an Oily, a BIG NAME oily place: I walked in and there was this very strong Air Freshener Spray smell, I took a second to breathe and the cashier immediately apologised to me and said: "oh, so sorry, we have 3 customer India before, now smell bad, have to clean. No problem sir, I not give same room India man, you get clean room"

I never did smell any foul odor, just that overpowering Air Freshener Smell.

In my office, it is exactly the same, Thai ladies are disgusted by Indians but hardly any of them even know one or have really met one. They are just brought up into thinking that Indians are bad.

Opebo

01-15-09, 10:57

I never did smell any foul odor, just that overpowering Air Freshener Smell.

Yes, that air freshener nonsense is invariably far more offensive than anything they're trying to cover up. I remember we used to 'light a match' in bad odour situations, and the good honest smell of sulfur is better than those horrible allergic-reaction-causing air freshener sprays.

Regarding Thais and odors, I know a couple of Thais who are supposed to have some 'Indian' ancestry, though they don't look Subcontinental at all. I have to admit that the one fellow does have a slightly ripe odor, but it doesn't bother me in the least. However a Thai lady I know who works in his office constantly talks of his stench.

Interestingly, the famously clean Thais do sometimes get a bit pungent during this season - due to lack of hot water. Nowadays most people have a hot water heater, but a sizable minority still do not, particularly up country, and thus they will skip a day or two between showers, or shower only in the most perfunctory manner when they do (privates and pits). I don't know if any of you have had cold water showers when it is 60 degrees, but it is mighty painful.

Easy2007

01-15-09, 11:18

I really do not get all this racism talk.

Its generally just an excuse when a minority is trying to take over the majority, and so they scream racism and try to enact laws to protect them.

In Thailand if you are not Thai, then the Thai's feel free to insult you as much as they want to. That is their right, Thailand is their country. If you do not like it, then don't come. Simple isn't it. Go home.

Same in China, Chinese are very racist, they hate blacks and Indians, they will tolerate whites to an extent but still detest them. If you understand Mandarin you can hear all sorts of nasty comments as you walk down the road.

In fact, most countries are very racist, and why not be.

Its only when you get to so called "developed" countries where by oppressive laws being "racist (read that loving your home country and not wanting any Johnny Foreigner in it" has been turned into a crime. And because its been made into a crime, people expect all countries in the world to do the same.

Well sorry, in Asia you will find they are all racist, they love only their home country and their home country people, and all foreigners are open targets for racist abuse.

Get over it, and as they want, and as is your choice, if you do not like it, go somewhere else.

For me, I don't care, they can be as racist as they want, I do not give a flying fig, I am above that, and also not looking for another countries laws to protect me from their own countries people.

Slylock

01-15-09, 13:11

As per the Pattaya discussion, If I where home in the US I would NEVER tell a single person I planned on going to Amsterdam, Tijuana, or Thailand. Because almost everyone in the world looks down on people who work or participate in the pay for sex industry for one reason or another (except those who are participating LOL). So I do not know why this is special, or interesting or even a racist view. Most people think Prostitutes are dirty, in the diseased way. I for one was raised that way, unfortunately.

Satrai2000 / Nic Frenchy (love your reports Nic)

I for one as a white man prefer the behind the back racism of Thailand to the in your face racism of Singapore or even Malaysia. Being American I am not used to being the receiver of racism. After coming to Asia and experiencing it first hand it allows me to empathizes with those who deal with it on a daily basis. But I do need to agree with Satrai that Singapore is by far worse, because Singaporeans will not only be negative in their racism but also positive. As an example a white person will get preferential treatment and or service. This is of course due to the fact that they believe we have more money and are stupider than most and will pay a higher price. Yes, I know this happens in Thailand, but in Singapore and Malaysia I as a white man can walk into almost anywhere and not get hassled by security, like an office building or shopping places like carrefour where they check your bag before entering. There are many other examples. Maybe other expats can elaborate.

I love Thailand in the fact that if you work hard at learning the culture, you can be accepted to a certain degree. In Malaysia or Singapore that will never happen! You will always be that outsider and you will never understand anything. So most think. It is hard to explain what I mean by this. But after 10 years in Malaysia and visiting Thailand for almost 8 years. I feel more welcomed and at home in Thailand. This not due to the Thai friendliness per se, but there ability to accept you as who you are and what youare and how you fit into the culture. I have been invited to weddings and funerals and dinner and so on in Thailand. I Malaysia I have only been invited to these things by staff (not co workers) and or my local in-laws. Never by "friends".

Anyways, my 2 cents! But the bottomline, all of these place beat home!

Happy hunting to all

Slylock

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Satrai2000

01-15-09, 20:40

Satrai, Thai are worse. the only difference is that they will not publicly show it to your face. They will smile at you, help you and then tell all their friends how disgusting and smelly and other awful things you are. All this happends behind your back.

I will always remember something that happened to me at an Oily, a BIG NAME oily place: I walked in and there was this very strong Air Freshener Spray smell, I took a second to breathe and the cashier immediately apologised to me and said: "oh, so sorry, we have 3 customer India before, now smell bad, have to clean. No problem sir, I not give same room India man, you get clean room"

I never did smell any foul odor, just that overpowering Air Freshener Smell.

In my office, it is exactly the same, Thai ladies are disgusted by Indians but hardly any of them even know one or have really met one. They are just brought up into thinking that Indians are bad.There we go again!

Reports like this one are getting boring. In the past I read more than enough posts in this forum written by white men saying how racist the Thais are towards Indians in particular with respect to "their smell".

Having said this, I have to say another thing as well. Next time before I visit an MP in BKK I'll make sure I eat lots of garlic, chutney and masala. And then I would like to see the reaction of the staff!

Warbucks

01-16-09, 04:09

I really do not get all this racism talk.

It’s generally just an excuse when a minority is trying to take over the majority, and so they scream racism and try to enact laws to protect them.
While I agree with what you saying here the majority still does not have the right to treat a minority like garbage. Basic human decency goes into play. Using that logic some guys feel it’s alright to abuse the working girls I mean their only *****s right? :confused:

In Thailand if you are not Thai, then the Thai's feel free to insult you as much as they want to. That is their right, Thailand is their country. If you do not like it, then don't come. Simple isn't it. Go home.
They do not have the right to insult guest of their country. While I don’t agree with guys whining because Thais charge higher prices for foreigners I feel no one has the right to insult anyone anywhere where the hell where you raised dude? Nazi Germany.

Same in China, Chinese are very racist, they hate blacks and Indians, and they will tolerate whites to an extent but still detest them. If you understand Mandarin you can hear all sorts of nasty comments as you walk down the road.
Stereotypes and generalizations here. I am black and I chat with rich Chinese women on YM every day. She told me there is some racism towards blacks but it is everywhere. She said it’s really not a big deal. Many blacks are living there and have no problem getting pussy that’s what we are in Asia for in the first place right?

In fact, most countries are very racist, and why not be.
This is just silly. So using this logic whenever someone from another race comes into my neighborhood back in the States I should just abuse them because everyone is racist? Come on man.

It’s only when you get to so called "developed" countries where by oppressive laws being "racist (read that loving your home country and not wanting any Johnny Foreigner in it" has been turned into a crime. And because its been made into a crime, people expect all countries in the world to do the same.
I hope you are not talking about America. Everyone in America is foreign. There is only one group of Native Americans and they where ran into the ground by white expansion or the Manifest Destiny.

Well sorry, in Asia you will find they are all racist; they love only their home country and their home country people, and all foreigners are open targets for racist abuse.

Get over it, and as they want, and as is your choice, if you do not like it, go somewhere else. .

Foreigners should not accept racist abuse anywhere.

For me, I don't care, they can be as racist as they want, I do not give a flying fig, I am above that, and also not looking for another countries laws to protect me from their own countries people.
That’s a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor attitude you sound like an educated man I hope you can do better than that.

Slylock

01-16-09, 06:23

now, i can sympathize with our indian brothers who have a 'hearty' smell about them. as a westerner here, i eat alot of local foods and have a hearty smell from time to time. also in working with indians (malaysian variety) i understand there culture and eating habits a bit. some do not wear under arm deodorant for religious reasons, and some of my staff confessed they did not know what it was. as they where first generation out of the village. i think this applies for any deep country person in asia. (have any of you seen speed stick in the village markets? i haven't)

so now onto my point. nic said the thais didn't like the smell, but they did not refuse you service or made you feel unwelcome. (unless its a stupid farang/thai only place). now the stories i heard from my father and grandfather about the southern usa in the 20's-70's was alot different than this. no black was allowed where the white man didn't want them, for almost the same reason. thought they smelled bad, where dirty or rude and so on. so yes racism in any way is bad but the bright side is it could be worse and the more indians travel to thailand the more open they will be. as in hat yai the locals are very open and understanding of the malaysian indians who come up by the bus load every weekend. so stay strong and stay sane!

slylock

Easy2007

01-16-09, 07:39

While I agree with what you saying here the majority still does not have the right to treat a minority like garbage. Basic human decency goes into play. Using that logic some guys feel it’s alright to abuse the working girls I mean their only *****s right? :confused:.You are trying to confuse physical abuse with verbal talk, its not the same. Nobody has the right to abuse someone physically. However, when you visit, unrequested, unasked, uninvited, another country and meet with 99. 99% of the population (just in case you were invited by a single person or company) who did not invite you to come in and so you are a visitor. NOT A GUEST. Then they can and should reserve their right to not like you, to abuse you verbally, to not serve you, and ask you go home, not enter an establishment etc.

They do not have the right to insult guest of their country. While I don’t agree with guys whining because Thais charge higher prices for foreigners I feel no one has the right to insult anyone anywhere where the hell where you raised dude? Nazi Germany. You are not a GUEST, you were not cordially invited by the whole population. You are a visitor, thats it. It is the right of anyone to express their feelings, more so if this is against a non-invited visitor from a foreign land.

Stereotypes and generalizations here. I am black and I chat with rich Chinese women on YM every day. She told me there is some racism towards blacks but it is everywhere. She said it’s really not a big deal. Many blacks are living there and have no problem getting pussy that’s what we are in Asia for in the first place right? . With regards to blacks in Asia, toleration levels are lower than whites, thats a fact of life. It is changing slowely as the younger generations come through who do not have the same feelings as the older generations. Have you been to China? And not just Beijing or Shanghai? Get out and about and you will find they are the most racist race on the planet. Their countries name "Chong Guo" means "Middle Kingdom", they see the Chinese race as half way between heaven and earth, and so all the other races on earth are inferior, lower than Chinese, who are in the middle half way to being god like.

This is just silly. So using this logic whenever someone from another race comes into my neighborhood back in the States I should just abuse them because everyone is racist? Come on man. We are talking countries, not neighbourhoods.

I hope you are not talking about America. Everyone in America is foreign. There is only one group of Native Americans and they where ran into the ground by white expansion or the Manifest Destiny. Yes, and how are those Native Americans treated? Like shit. I would support all of Amercian land rights being given back to the Native Indians.

Foreigners should not accept racist abuse anywhere. Why not? If they cannot handle it with dignity, do not travel. Simple. Stay home.

That’s a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor attitude you sound like an educated man I hope you can do better than that. Its the only attitude. If you cannot handle it, do not go out. I speak many languages and many locals do not know this, and I hear all sorts of abuse by them, which I am not supposed to understand. This is life, I ignore it, I am above it, so why care?

Before ANYONE moans about racism, then look at your own country. If every road, street and neighbourhood in your own country is free for all persons to enter or walk, without fear of their colcour, race, religion, look or whatever causing them problems. Then perhaps you can complain. HOWEVER, if there is one place, or more, where people cannot go without fear of abuse, death, beatings or anything like that, due to their colour, race, religion, look etc. Then you have no right whatsoever to compain about another country.

Sort your own country out to be 100% perfect first, then you may complain about others.

If you live in a glass house, do not throw stones.

Asia in general is very racist. Thats it. Get over it. Live with it. And if you cannot. Go home. Thats what people should do.

Satrai2000

01-16-09, 22:02

I worked with a wide variety of people.

Never had problems with Middle-eastern people nor with East-Asians, except Singaporeans of Chinese descent.

With Afro-people I had the most racist encounters. Don't know why.

And the white people fall somewhere in the middle.

LittleBigMan

01-17-09, 00:17

Opebo,

From my experience in the Pattaya Area, especially on the otherside of Sukhumvit where I have been living for many years. Personally I think the majority of Thai people along with the ones up country do not have hot water. Even for myself, I have a tankless water heater in every bathroom but prior to getting a large pump to pump in water from my 2500 gallon back up tanks when they turn off the water or restrict the water pressure your water heater is useless since there isn't enough water pressure to flow through the tankless water heater. I find myself for years taking those cold showers just like the local Thai's and one gets use to it. But it's nice to have a hot shower from time to time.
But nevertheless, even without hot water I have never been around a Thai friend and said to myself they smell. Even with cold water they do the best with what they have. The Thai's I know are poor and many live in small rooms with 6 and some with the tin roof but I don't think any of them ever skip a shower. Twice a day seem to be the standard for Thai's in my opinion.

LBM

Warbucks

01-17-09, 03:43

With regards to blacks in Asia, toleration levels are lower than whites, thats a fact of life. It is changing slowely as the younger generations come through who do not have the same feelings as the older generations. Have you been to China?

The tolerance level for blacks is low all over the world because of a few assholes but what should blacks do about it? Just accept the way things are. With that attitude America probably would still be in the pre-civil rights Jim Crow area if a few brave individuals didn’t decide to take a stand.

M P Lurker

01-17-09, 09:45

But nevertheless, even without hot water I have never been around a Thai friend and said to myself they smell. Even with cold water they do the best with what they have. The Thai's I know are poor and many live in small rooms with 6 and some with the tin roof but I don't think any of them ever skip a shower. Twice a day seem to be the standard for Thai's in my opinion.

LBM
Maybe true in Pattaya, but in some parts of Thailand with very cold weather and no hot water, I am hearing that some Thais will skip the full shower as water is too cold. They don't have the stinky sweat glands, which helps. But they are probably not having sex as well. After sex, they would always wash up.

In any case, most Thais will be self aware enough to know when they need a shower. This is not so of middle eastern people and some Farangs that are used to their own odour, even if it is incredibly powerful to my nose.

Pita123

01-17-09, 12:18

They don't have the stinky sweat glands, which helps. But they are probably not having sex as well. I've heard Asians say that the lack of milk product in their diet also leads to less odor.

LittleBigMan

01-18-09, 00:10

Mick,

I go to Sukhothai, once or twice a year to visit my wife family. They are rice farmers and make and sell pottery. They own lots of land which has been distributed to each family member including my wife. Somewhat in a commune type living each member of the family has their house on wooden sticks and there isn't any hot water. But there is running water but cold depending on the season. I've been up during the cold and hot season and I've seen them take the time each day (twice) to shower. I myself have experience the cold water in cold season and like you say... man oh man.. it is a ass kicker. But it doesn't seem to bother them. Although, my wife has many of the modern thing like hot water..etc.. I have never seen her use the hot water heaters at home. She says she is 100% Thai.. tough as a nail.

I think we have gone down this road in the past about Asians not having sweat glands and I have expressed my own views. If we were to ever meet hopefully on a real how sweaty day during Songkon. I'll make sure not to use anything under the arm and let you smell for yourself.

LBM

NicFrenchy

01-18-09, 04:28

She says she is 100% Thai.. tough as a nail.

Yes, Thais have this faculty of being full of themselves. If you listen to them, they will try to make you believe that they are the smartest people on the planet, have the greatest food and the best way of life.

NicFrenchy

01-18-09, 04:33

On the racism subject, yeah, well people are racist all over the world and it's always the same stereotypes:

Blacks are agressive
Indians Smell
French are Cheap
Americans are loud adn obnoxious
Arabs are dirty and aggressive
Asians have small dicks
English and Germans are drunkards... and so on...

I am not happy that everywhere I go, when I say I am french people think I am a cheap charlie. All I can do is be myself, and they will (or might) change their opinion, if they don't then There is not much I can do.

If some people choose to be stupid by showing racism, then it's on them, it will not affect my fun in LOS.

Daddy07

01-18-09, 04:52

On the racism subject, yeah, well people are racist all over the world and it's always the same stereotypes:

Blacks are agressive
Indians Smell
French are Cheap
Americans are loud adn obnoxious
Arabs are dirty and aggressive
Asians have small dicks
English and Germans are drunkards... and so on...

I am not happy that everywhere I go, when I say I am french people think I am a cheap charlie. All I can do is be myself, and they will (or might) change their opinion, if they don't then There is not much I can do...
Better to be thought of as a cheap Charlie than an agressive, stinky, loud, obnoxious, dirty drunkard, with a small dick, I always say in my loud and obnoxious American way. :)

Nvslim

01-18-09, 11:46

Yes, Thais have this faculty of being full of themselves. If you listen to them, they will try to make you believe that they are the smartest people on the planet, have the greatest food and the best way of life.

I thought that was Americans. I have talked to so many here that swear we (Americans) have the greatest country but have never been out of the country to see anything else to compare it with. I was lucky enough to spend time overseas while in the military and found good and bad in each country I visited. Although we have a lot to be thankful for in the USA, I don't think the people are any better than any other country. Look at our background. Killed most of the native indians and stole their land. Enslaved millions of Africans to grow our cotton and fought a war to keep them.

I hope we have turned a corner.

Slim

Cunning Stunt

01-19-09, 04:07

Killed most of the native indians and stole their land. Enslaved millions of Africans to grow our cotton and fought a war to keep them.

You forgot invading a sovereign nation on the flimsiest and most questionable of pretexts, that would have done Hitler proud, in order to plunder their natural resources.

Or were you only referring to old history?

Nvslim

01-19-09, 11:43

You forgot invading a sovereign nation on the flimsiest and most questionable of pretexts, that would have done Hitler proud, in order to plunder their natural resources.

Or were you only referring to old history?

Mostly old history. We all know what George W. did to us but some don't remember way back when.

I have no white guilt as my family did not migrate from Germany to America until the 1890s. I do think it is important to remember what it took to build this country. It was not all fun and games but rather nasty at times. I guess all countries have a few skeletons in the closet.

Slim

Burtolino

01-28-09, 21:53

I had read your posts. Maybe your experiences have not principally their reason in race. I'm white and I surely look as white 100%; but I had similar experiences with women, both free-lancers and beer-girls (In Phuket a little better than Pattaya, but nothing special). By night I was approached or anyway smiled to like most of customers, but by day contrarily to majority I usually look to them as invisible. Very probably they approached me in late hours because of no better customers to pick up. I don't know the reason. I didn't dress like if I were going to an ambassador / millionaire party but neither as a pilgrim or beggar. But I suppose me, as for other people (both asians and whites), I had something which was not perceived by girls as a good customer mark.

Frankypanky

04-30-09, 13:41

In Thailand"

Because that's most, if not all of the racism that I've encountered while here. Mostly in the form of dirty looks and comments from some of you dirty old white guys. You "Europeans" are the worst of the lot.

Just to let you know; Americans, including those american blacks that you think don't know what you are saying when you speak in your native gibberish about them when you think none are around, mostly understand other languages other than English and you all really need to think about that the next time you think you're "safe" to talk about said black people or any americans when you think some are around.

For those non white members that should know; The bars along beach road are all populated by old white Europeans who simply cannot STAND when a black person decides to drink at the bars they have obviously been frequenting for so long.

It's an affront to their supposed superiority that the bargirl that they thought worshipped them above all else would deign to drop to what I suspect they think, surprisingly enough, in this day and age, the lower "level" of a black person.

With the racism that those here are so readily ascribing to Thais, If one didn't know any better, one would think that they were breeding the Thais to be the next footsoldiers in the fifth reight or whatever nazi regime these racists here hope they are achieving.

I will return with my actual reports as a black person here at a later date but for now, OTH and others, we are hip to your game and as of now. It's over.

I am Black too, while I live in an European country (The Netherlands)!
The "Euro's" mentioned by HumpsaLott are mostly British, Belgian or Dutch!
A lot of them with grumpy, old far-right-wing nazi-like sympathies!

Often they got a bunch of felonies behind there elbows in their homeland! Until they make a stupid mistake and end up being 'blacklisted' by the Thai Immigrations!
I have seen it happen.

But you know what? Thailand is a very large country. Second, these 'European racists' do not own Thailand and/or Pattaya, so I do not waste time or energy to them!

Those whom attack HumpsaLott cannot walk into his shoes, because they are WHITE! Only an other Black like me...So your are a bigger racist, than you think! Writing of a first-hand experience of an other (black) punter, doesn't mean his vision is not right!!!

Assumed that any Black guy, whom isn't a trouble-maker, he NEVER will run into problems with the Thai!!
Only he should not walk too fast into "some" bars, owned by White Europeans!

NicFrenchy

04-30-09, 15:09

Very probably they approached me in late hours because of no better customers to pick up. I don't know the reason.

Could it be that you are handsome adn they were too shy? :D

NicFrenchy

04-30-09, 15:15

Assumed that any Black guy, whom isn't a trouble-maker, he NEVER will run into problems with the Thai!!
Only he should not walk too fast into "some" bars, owned by White Europeans!

Right, so that last statement wasn't meant to be racist?

Let's keep this civilised please and avoid the Black Vs Whites conflict
Racism exists on both sides so why not start to be a bit objective?
Frankypanky, that last comment was in general, not pointed at you.

Warbucks

04-30-09, 16:55

I am Black too, while I live in an European country (The Netherlands)!
The "Euro's" mentioned by HumpsaLott are mostly British, Belgian or Dutch!
A lot of them with grumpy, old far-right-wing nazi-like sympathies!

Hi Frank. Fellow “American Sun Devil” here. Back in 05’ while having tea in a diner in Kabul, Afghanistan I had the pleasure of meeting a most interesting character, a Black Brit. We had a staid discussion about which of our respective nations was the most racist, U.S. or the U.K. He assured me that it was the U.K. since he was about 25 years my senior and was now living in Texas.

I do think you are being a little over the top with your assessment of most Europeans though. I have not had a problem with other tourist or expats and generally have found the lot to be very friendly.

Those whom attack HumpsaLott cannot walk into his shoes, because they are WHITE! Only an other Black like me...

I recently asked on the Indonesia thread what the girls were like in Jakarta. I did not mention my race and one guy who maybe recognized me from the PI Thread generally just went out his way to convince me they didn’t like blacks hmmm. :confused: On another forum I was told I will be treated worse than a black in 1800s USA, so now I am definitely going to go just to get a field report.

Assumed that any Black guy, whom isn't a trouble-maker, he NEVER will run into problems with the Thai!!

This is untrue. Thais don’t discriminate when they want to scam or cheat.

Frankypanky

05-02-09, 12:29

Right, so that last statement wasn't meant to be racist?

Let's keep this civilised please and avoid the Black Vs Whites conflict
Racism exists on both sides so why not start to be a bit objective?
Frankypanky, that last comment was in general, not pointed at you.

That last statement wasn't meant to be racist, no!
Just a (true) experience from my point of view, as I once walked into a bar/hotel of a Belgian owner! I already wondered why those guys (owner and some customers) looked that nasty. Unfortunatly, I was a "little to big" for them, so no intimidation from them as soon as I stared as nasty...

I made that statement, to show how fast a black guy can run into problems, even when he tries to avoid that at all cost and still enjoy a nice (sex)holiday in Thailand...

Besides, I was triggered by the reactions of others (on HumpaLotts statements), like if the man was making it all up! Althought you might be right, that racism has two sides.

This is untrue. Thais don’t discriminate when they want to scam or cheat.
Hmm, I agree. You are right about that one, so I am man enough to admit to be wrong there...

Carmex

05-05-09, 02:45

Better to be thought of as a cheap Charlie than an agressive, stinky, loud, obnoxious, dirty drunkard, with a small dick, I always say in my loud and obnoxious American way. :)

Hahahahahah. Ok daddy that was funny.

After doing wet work on three different continents over the course of 22 yrs, I have found good and bad in EVERYONE. Gotta take people for who they are on the inside and not always at face value.

If you don't, you are really selling yourself and the the other person short.

p.s. Nic- I didn't know the French were cheap? My sister is married to one.

NicFrenchy

05-05-09, 03:21

p.s. Nic- I didn't know the French were cheap? My sister is married to one.

Well, they aren't in general but it is a worldwide assumption. This assumption is reinforced in LOS because the P4P industry seems to attract mostly Cheap Frenchmen (if what the ladies say is true... ).

Amjeck

05-18-09, 23:20

I made that statement, to show how fast a black guy can run into problems, even when he tries to avoid that at all cost and still enjoy a nice (sex)holiday in Thailand...

If you run into problems, find the nearest sex provider and stick it in her hole, then you'll feel much better and you'll forget about all the racial nonsense. We're all here to get laid, those who lose site of that are foolish.

NicFrenchy

05-19-09, 01:25

We're all here to get laid, those who lose site of that are foolish.

When you say "We" I imagine you refer to you adn your fellow tourists?
Some of us did not come here for the pussy, moving to Thailand was actually a good carreer opportunity

Old Thai Hand

05-19-09, 03:41

When you say "We" I imagine you refer to you adn your fellow tourists?
Some of us did not come here for the pussy, moving to Thailand was actually a good carreer opportunity

Nic

There's an assumption among most sex tourists and even many lay-about expats that the primary reason that Farang men are here is for cheap sex (although from what I gather, reading this forum, it's not so cheap, anymore).

The thought that someone would actually be here to work, except as a means to stay longer, so as to continue to chase "cheap" pussy doesn't occur to these guys.

Like you, it was a good career move for me (more or less). I've had good jobs, made reasonably good money and had a good life. The easy access to Thai women is an added bonus, but not an all-consuming, motivating factor for being here, as some think. The romantic entanglements are just as stressful (if not more so, sometimes) as anything one would experience in the West. It's just that they are with much younger and much better-looking women.

Amjeck

05-19-09, 12:29

When you say "We" I imagine you refer to you adn your fellow tourists?
Some of us did not come here for the pussy, moving to Thailand was actually a good carreer opportunity
"We" = punters who engage in discussions about getting laid on ISG. I think you fit in that category.

Amjeck

05-19-09, 12:45

Nic

There's an assumption among most sex tourists and even many lay-about expats that the primary reason that Farang men are here is for cheap sex

The thought that someone would actually be here to work, except as a means to stay longer, so as to continue to chase "cheap" pussy doesn't occur to these guys.

When you're on a sex board talking about prostitution, it's easy to put you into the category of "pussy chaser".

I've met several expats in Thailand who are here for work and don't even like asian women, so they don't "chase pussy", but they aren't on ISG either.

Anyhow, this is a racism thread not a "Why are you in Thailand?" thread.

Old Thai Hand

05-19-09, 14:54

When you're on a sex board talking about prostitution, it's easy to put you into the category of "pussy chaser".

I've met several expats in Thailand who are here for work and don't even like asian women, so they don't "chase pussy", but they aren't on ISG either.

Anyhow, this is a racism thread not a "Why are you in Thailand?" thread.

Firstly, this board is not just about prostitution, but about finding women, in general for the purposes of sex. But, it has also long since its inception segued well beyond just that into many other areas of interest.

Secondly, I only added to Nic's comment which was a response to your comment ,which also had nothing to do with racism.

But, if you want something to do with racism in Thailand (actually xenophobia, not racism. Racism is Thai against Thai) here's a bit of something.

I was walking along the street near my condo, during the height of the demonstrations a few weeks ago and out of the blue, an old Thai man came up to me and shouted, "Go Home, Farang. We don't want you here!" I didn't know this man and had never even seen him before.

Yesterday, I was at fitness in my new condo, and I got a really dirty look from some middle-aged Thai man, for turning on the fan, which he immediately snapped off with a huff. When I got a good look at him, I noticed he was wearing, believe or not, a T-shirt that said, "I hate Farang" in Thai. Today, the same guy was there, still very hostile and wearing another T that said, "I love Thailand. Thailand #1". Obviously one of those "Thai Nazis" one encounters more and more, nowadays.

IMO, this country is becoming an increasingly hostile environment for Farang. It's just not a friendly place, anymore.

Davidboy

05-19-09, 15:17

When you say "We" I imagine you refer to you adn your fellow tourists?

Some of us did not come here for the pussy, moving to Thailand was actually a good carreer opportunitySo true and then again some of us 'extended' our contract to stay in Thailand just for the 'Pussy'! I mean Thailand does not offer the 'other visual sites' that one can find in France; does it Nic?

Did you not say basically the same thing a while ago?

Let's take cycling for example; what does Thailand have to offer that is better than a ride up to Morzine? Their best deal is a couple of painted lines on the (sic) foot paths along Sukhumvit. And unlike France where cyclists are respected; they are the lowest form of humanity in Thailand.

Amjeck

05-19-09, 15:55

Secondly, I only added to Nic's comment which was a response to your comment ,which also had nothing to do with racism.

True!

IMO a good way to deal with the unfortunate racism here in LOS is to go out and bang a Thai girl.

Opebo

05-19-09, 20:24

Some of us did not come here for the pussy, moving to Thailand was actually a good carreer opportunity

Well, just you and OTH. Virtually every other guy is here for the prostitutes.

Though it is interesting - in many cases it ends up being 'a good career opportunity' anyway. I for one am of course motivated entirely by the prostitution, but I can say that at least in Thailand I am employable. I certainly would not be so back home, and in any case I make enormously more money here than I would back home, compared to the cost of living. (Think about it - here I make maybe $1,100/month. Back home I'd make probably only slighly more than that after taxes, in a place where an apartment is $700/month!)

So my poon-chasing has led to relatively better 'career' than I would other wise have.

Oh and regarding OTH's price comment - it is true that it has become too expensive in Bangkok for most locally employed expats to afford, but it isn't quite so bad elsewhere. The roughly 1,000-1,500 baht one will have invested the typical sex act here is maybe 5% of one's montly income.. not great, but not bad. And anyway the real issue is there is essentially nothing available back in the Bad Place. Thailand may be worse every year, and they may hate us more and more, but thing is - the Bad Place is far worse, and getting worse every year too.

Amjeck

05-19-09, 21:24

That would be "lose s-i-g-h-t".

Any comment as to how that reflects on the intelligence level of the rest of your post would probably be redundant.

"a fool who knows he's a fool is a bit intelligent, but a fool that thinks he's intelligent is really a fool"

Your racism t-shirt post is quite interesting, however. I think Thais are becoming more racist because they need to blame someone for their problems. They could never blame themselves, of course.

NoCBJ4Me

05-20-09, 04:02

....The romantic entanglements are just as stressful (if not more so, sometimes) as anything one would experience in the West. It's just that they are with much younger and much better-looking women.....This really hits the nail on the head!

....But, if you want something to do with racism in Thailand (actually xenophobia, not racism. Racism is Thai against Thai)......I've always thought regarding racism here, would mean ethnic Thais vs Lao, Khmer or Malays. This would also include other SE Asians and farangs.

I got this from the net regarding xenophobia:

As with all phobias, a xenophobic person is aware of the fear, and therefore has to genuinely think or believe at some level that the target is in fact a foreigner. This arguably separates xenophobia from racism and ordinary prejudice in that someone of a different race does not necessarily have to be of a different nationality. In various contexts, the terms "xenophobia" and "racism" seem to be used interchangeably, though they can have wholly different meanings (xenophobia can be based on various aspects, racism being based solely on race and ancestry).

Regarding working here, I don't know if I could make a living here, except possibly teaching English. I don't believe I would make very much doing this. How much is enough, is subjective. Guys like OTH with well paying jobs, have a sweet deal going, but this would not be readily available to anyone. If I were working for a Western company here, I'm sure my salary would be much better than if I worked for a Thai company.

Old Thai Hand

05-20-09, 08:06

This really hits the nail on the head!
I've always thought regarding racism here, would mean ethnic Thais vs Lao, Khmer or Malays. This would also include other SE Asians and farangs.

I got this from the net regarding xenophobia:

As with all phobias, a xenophobic person is aware of the fear, and therefore has to genuinely think or believe at some level that the target is in fact a foreigner. This arguably separates xenophobia from racism and ordinary prejudice in that someone of a different race does not necessarily have to be of a different nationality. In various contexts, the terms "xenophobia" and "racism" seem to be used interchangeably, though they can have wholly different meanings (xenophobia can be based on various aspects, racism being based solely on race and ancestry).

Regarding working here, I don't know if I could make a living here, except possibly teaching English. I don't believe I would make very much doing this. How much is enough, is subjective. Guys like OTH with well paying jobs, have a sweet deal going, but this would not be readily available to anyone. If I were working for a Western company here, I'm sure my salary would be much better than if I worked for a Thai company.

There's plenty of internal racism, propagated by the dominant Thai ethnic group against dozens of other ethnic groups that make up the country.

About 80 years ago this racism particularly included Chinese immigrants coming into Thailand. To mark them, so as to single them out for persecution, when they applied for local names, the government assigned them multi-syllable names of at least 15 characters (the normal Siamese name has a maximum of 2 syllables and is comparatively short).Of course, since then, the Chinese, doing what they do best went on to dominate the economy and move to the top of the pile, along with the ethnic Thais.

There is a growing movement to change the name of the country back to Siam because it is felt that Thailand is a racist name, which has forced the dominant Thai ethnic identity (and language) on everyone else. I support this idea. The name change and the homogeneity of the language was installed at the end of WW II by a dictatorial government to suppress individuality, and ethnic diversity for the purpose of domination and control of the populace.

The dominance and control over the populace has been successful, but the erradication of minority languages has failed, miserably. Isaan-Lao, all 18 major dialects of it is probably spoken as much, on a daily basis as is Thai.

But, the brainwashing has been successful. Anyone speaking Isaan is immediately branded a lesser being. I was in Fuji at Emporium having lunch with my GF, when she got a call from her brother. She said to him, IN THAI, that she would call him back. I asked her why she spoke to him in Thai. She said, "I don't want anyone to hear me speak Isaan. They'll think I'm LoSo or worse, a bargirl".

Daddy07

05-20-09, 08:27

...There is a growing movement to change the name of the country back to Siam... I support this idea...
I like that idea too, if only for the silly reason that 'Siam' has a rather exotic oriental flavor to it, while 'Thailand' sounds so boring like England, Scotland, Ireland, etc.

I like to tell my friends and family in the West that I live in a condo overlooking the Gulf of Siam, and enjoy there the company of beautiful exotic Siamese pooying. :)

NoCBJ4Me

05-20-09, 12:26

...There is a growing movement to change the name of the country back to Siam...

I was just reading an article about that movement in Sundays "The Nation" newspaper. It makes sense to me. I agree, with the columnist, that it won't do much to change the class system here, but I guess it would be a start.

If when the country goes back to the name Siam, the restaurant signs all around saying Thai Food won't seem so rediculous. This should be a given unless it's obvious by the type business, that it would not have Thai food. Would you expect to see restaurant signs in Paris offering "French Food"?

At the rate of change to the landscape / ethnic demographic that I've seen over the last several years, it won't be long before we only see Thai and Halal food signs anyway.....

Wah Wah Wah.......

LittleBigMan

05-20-09, 13:53

There is another form of racism that isn't mentioned or noticed by you guys. We guys that are Asian that look like Thai's that are born and raised in the West that are living and retired here.

There are many advantages like the ladies want us because we look like them and yet we have a little more money and we speak and act like a Farang. Some look at us as having the best of both worlds. Yet like my friends Thai GF tells me she wants him to be 100% Thai, I told her define for me 100% Thai, she couldn't! I told her if you don't know what it is how do you expect him to know. I told her can he butterfly and take a second wife? can he get you pregnant and when he finds out he can just take off on you? can he go out everynight play snooker and drink beer and come home whenever he wants to and say nothing? Can he stop giving you a monthly money? and spend it all on himself? she was silent and offended!

I ended by telling her, would you be asking him to be 100% Thai, if his skin was white? I think because we look like them they think we can be changed!
100% Thai WTF is that? Some say they hate Thai men and then they want us to be 100% Thai! We get a double standard applied to us and when you try to have a logical conversation about a system they get offended they feel they are being put down and they loose face! Now does that sound like something you have been through OTH?

My friend is staying at a local resort on the otherside of Sukhumvit in Pattaya. I went to visit him and he is staying on the side where all the locals Thai's are staying while the white Farangs are staying on the otherside.

They can call Thailand whatever they want the internal system and thinking will still be the same.

LBM

Tiger43

05-20-09, 14:40

Sir,

I am an overweight and bald old German. In Thailand I get the best service for anything I may ever wish at a very low price. People are always friendly, I am treated very well as their customer. All services come along with a smile. Even scam artists leave me alone. They are after the young studs only. What the heck do i care about what people may think about me? In my country I am always paying a lot for very bad service.

There is another form of racism that isn't mentioned or noticed by you guys. We guys that are Asian that look like Thai's that are born and raised in the West that are living and retired here.

There are many advantages like the ladies want us because we look like them and yet we have a little more money and we speak and act like a Farang. Some look at us as having the best of both worlds. Yet like my friends Thai GF tells me she wants him to be 100% Thai, I told her define for me 100% Thai, she couldn't! I told her if you don't know what it is how do you expect him to know. I told her can he butterfly and take a second wife? can he get you pregnant and when he finds out he can just take off on you? can he go out everynight play snooker and drink beer and come home whenever he wants to and say nothing? Can he stop giving you a monthly money? and spend it all on himself? she was silent and offended!

I ended by telling her, would you be asking him to be 100% Thai, if his skin was white? I think because we look like them they think we can be changed!
100% Thai WTF is that? Some say they hate Thai men and then they want us to be 100% Thai! We get a double standard applied to us and when you try to have a logical conversation about a system they get offended they feel they are being put down and they loose face! Now does that sound like something you have been through OTH?

My friend is staying at a local resort on the otherside of Sukhumvit in Pattaya. I went to visit him and he is staying on the side where all the locals Thai's are staying while the white Farangs are staying on the otherside.

They can call Thailand whatever they want the internal system and thinking will still be the same.

LBM

Satrai2000

05-20-09, 19:42

...I was walking along the street near my condo, during the height of the demonstrations a few weeks ago and out of the blue, an old Thai man came up to me and shouted, "Go Home, Farang. We don't want you here!" I didn't know this man and had never even seen him before...That must have hurt, didn't it!

No offense meant but in Europe these words "Go home" were spoken to me by strangers dozens of time. Replace "Farang" by "fucking Indian" or "curry muncher".

NicFrenchy

05-21-09, 02:07

I ended by telling her, would you be asking him to be 100% Thai, if his skin was white? I think because we look like them they think we can be changed!
100% Thai WTF is that? Some say they hate Thai men and then they want us to be 100% Thai!

Excellent post LBM!!

You know what I hate the most? it's the Farangs that want to be more Thai than the Thais... these Lunatics that will do it all (in an exxagerated way) to be accepted in the eyes of the Locals.
I despise these people, I mean, aren't they proud of their own?

I treat people with respect, always polite and never stingy, but, I do not Wai monks, or any other Thai for that matter (unless I am waied then I return it out of politeness), I am not a Buddhist and I don't care what they think about me. I am French and very proud to be so, if they don't like it? they can kiss my Ass.

Daddy07

05-21-09, 02:37

...I do not Wai monks, or any other Thai for that matter (unless I am waied then I return it out of politeness),...
I don't even do that.

When they Wai me, I simply nod my head ... politely. :)

LittleBigMan

05-21-09, 04:09

First,

Tiger43,

I'm glad that you having a great time. But is there a message for me here?

Second,

As for the remarks for my friend about being 100% Thai, I personally am living in this country. Like many of you I try to treat everyone equally and with respect and I'm not going out of my way to show anyone up or degrade them because I'm from America.

Being Chinese American I was raised with many of the Chinese culture and valves my family is Buddist but we never practice the religion like many of the Thai do. I give the respect to the monks just like my mother and someone that is older than me just out general purpose. My ego isn't that large that I can't do this. I know who I am and what I am and if I do try to learn the culture and language it's to better myself and to better understand my wife and son.

My only problem is when I hear this women say something like 100% to my buddy. I'm thinking he doesn't have to be 100% when you visit the ATM machine each month to get your allowance!

LBM

Old Thai Hand

05-21-09, 05:38

Excellent post LBM!!

You know what I hate the most? it's the Farangs that want to be more Thai than the Thais... these Lunatics that will do it all (in an exxagerated way) to be accepted in the eyes of the Locals.
I despise these people, I mean, aren't they proud of their own?

I treat people with respect, always polite and never stingy, but, I do not Wai monks, or any other Thai for that matter (unless I am waied then I return it out of politeness), I am not a Buddhist and I don't care what they think about me. I am French and very proud to be so, if they don't like it? they can kiss my Ass.

If you work for a Thai organization with the typical reactionary Thais, especially bosses (Nic, you are fortunate, not to), you are expected, even if Farang to become more Thai, blend in, and do it , "the Thai way" (meaning the stupid, illogical, inefficient, half-assed, will have to be done again because it was fucked up the first time....way), but more specifically, to be a sickingly fawning, obsequious, ass-kisser to people almost guaranteed to be inherently inferior to you.

I agree with you totally about those Farang who "go native". These wankers make me puke!

In particular, I hate Farang living in the villages in Isaan who wear "Maw Hohm" (those blue farmer shirts) and sport those checkered, cotton sashes, either around their wastes or worn, Khmer style as a scarf. Isaan people smile and tell them how good they look, how "geng" they are, and how "jai dee" they are. But, they secretly don't understand why they would dress like a peasant, when they have all that money and thus, could wear better quality clothes.

Some of my favorite examples of Thais taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of these losers:

1/ The widely distributed CD of a well-known Isaan comedy/variety troupe where in one show, they get a Farang up on stage, (wearing the requisite aforementioned peasant garb) to play the "Kaen", that quintessential Lao musical instrument that gives Mor Lam its distinctive reedy sound. This guy, (German - what else?) spoke fair Isaan and played the kaen reasonably well. But, they would have none of it, and made a point of putting him down in such an inside way, that he didn't get it. Consequently, he beamed with mis-placed pride at being "one of them".

2/ The Thai TV documentary last year about Isaan women and their Farang husbands. While, yet another German (I have nothing against Germans. But, they always seem to be these type of guys) in peasant clothing sat smiling, obviously oblivious to what was being said, his 'teerak' explained to the interviewer that she didn't really love him, or even particularly like him. But, he had a lot of money and had built her family a new house, built her a new house, bought her lots of gold, bought her Dad a truck, bought her unemployed (deadbeat) brother a motorcycle, had put in all the mod-cons in both houses ( although her family didn't really like using a western toilet) and that she would stay with him as long as "the money lasted". This documentary was shown as part of a talk show and the studio audience took great joy in the Farang trying to be "bugsider" (in Thai slang, a village idiot) and being duped by the poor, Isaan girl.

3/ I worked with an ass-kissing American toad once, who before a casual meeting with our Thai female department head admonished me to sit on one of those little Thai plastic stools, so that my head would be lower than hers. When she walked in, he wai-ed her deeply, and sat on his little stool. He looked ridiculous because he was about 6'2" and weighed about 250 lbs. I nodded when she came in and sat on the couch with her, my head slightly higher than hers. Our boss was one of those rare enlightened Thais, who had spent a good deal of time in the West. So, his attempts at being "grenjai" back-fired and she talked down to him (literally and figuratively), while she treated me with the utmost respect.

But in most cases, you're doomed if you do (they'll secretly ridicule you) and doomed if you don't (you'll be considered the "ugly Farang" who won't fit in). So, you might as well not compromise your own integrity and self-worth in a futile attempt to be accepted, because ultimately you never will be, anyway.

LittleBigMan

05-21-09, 06:32

OTH,

Man, I'm looking in the mirror right now after your post.. I'm wearing a T-shirt from Big C, and a pair of shorts from Lotus but I think I'm safe for now I haven't gone over the edge like the German guy in Issan.

Your post also reminds me of this white guy when I was really young that wanted to learn martial arts in our studio. He was a nice guy and one day he came dressed in a old traditional chinese clothing with those black fighting shoes and straw hat. We being friends I told him WTF, you're here to learn to fight and gain some insight on our culture. This isn't halloween! You're a cracker! and there's nothing you can do about that!

Tiger43

05-21-09, 09:07

dear sir,

your report is really funny. germany is a capitalist democracy now. if you have enough money to pay your bills, you are equal to everybody in my liberal big city in the south of germany. most people don't have the time constantly worrying, who is higher, who is lower, who is their peer etc. , as most thai apparently are. if you meet a stranger in germany, you address him the same way as any other, independent of his status. do i you have to change my behavior in thailand? definitely not! thai people do not expect that from a foreigner, even is he is working for or doing business with them. they will even disrespect him, if he wants to be like them. it is true that many germans are making fools of themselves, trying to adapt to the "traditional" thai customs.

if you work for a thai organization with the typical reactionary thais, especially bosses (nic, you are fortunate, not to), you are expected, even if farang to become more thai, blend in, and do it , "the thai way" (meaning the stupid, illogical, inefficient, half-assed, will have to be done again because it was fucked up the first time....way), but more specifically, to be a sickingly fawning, obsequious, ass-kisser to people almost guaranteed to be inherently inferior to you.

i agree with you totally about those farang who "go native". these wankers make me puke!

in particular, i hate farang living in the villages in isaan who wear "maw hohm" (those blue farmer shirts) and sport those checkered, cotton sashes, either around their wastes or worn, khmer style as a scarf. isaan people smile and tell them how good they look, how "geng" they are, and how "jai dee" they are. but, they secretly don't understand why they would dress like a peasant, when they have all that money and thus, could wear better quality clothes.

some of my favorite examples of thais taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of these losers:

1/ the widely distributed cd of a well-known isaan comedy/variety troupe where in one show, they get a farang up on stage, (wearing the requisite aforementioned peasant garb) to play the "kaen", that quintessential lao musical instrument that gives mor lam its distinctive reedy sound. this guy, (german - what else?) spoke fair isaan and played the kaen reasonably well. but, they would have none of it, and made a point of putting him down in such an inside way, that he didn't get it. consequently, he beamed with mis-placed pride at being "one of them".

2/ the thai tv documentary last year about isaan women and their farang husbands. while, yet another german (i have nothing against germans. but, they always seem to be these type of guys) in peasant clothing sat smiling, obviously oblivious to what was being said, his 'teerak' explained to the interviewer that she didn't really love him, or even particularly like him. but, he had a lot of money and had built her family a new house, built her a new house, bought her lots of gold, bought her dad a truck, bought her unemployed (deadbeat) brother a motorcycle, had put in all the mod-cons in both houses ( although her family didn't really like using a western toilet) and that she would stay with him as long as "the money lasted". this documentary was shown as part of a talk show and the studio audience took great joy in the farang trying to be "bugsider" (in thai slang, a village idiot) and being duped by the poor, isaan girl.

3/ i worked with an ass-kissing american toad once, who before a casual meeting with our thai female department head admonished me to sit on one of those little thai plastic stools, so that my head would be lower than hers. when she walked in, he wai-ed her deeply, and sat on his little stool. he looked ridiculous because he was about 6'2" and weighed about 250 lbs. i nodded when she came in and sat on the couch with her, my head slightly higher than hers. our boss was one of those rare enlightened thais, who had spent a good deal of time in the west. so, his attempts at being "grenjai" back-fired and she talked down to him (literally and figuratively), while she treated me with the utmost respect.

but in most cases, you're doomed if you do (they'll secretly ridicule you) and doomed if you don't (you'll be considered the "ugly farang" who won't fit in). so, you might as well not compromise your own integrity and self-worth in a futile attempt to be accepted, because ultimately you never will be, anyway.

Opebo

05-21-09, 12:28

So you think the typical foreign resident of Thailand earns B20,000-B30,000 per month?

Yes, obviously. Teacher's salaries are fairly standardized at about 25,000-40,000 baht per month, and the vast majority of farang expatriates employed in Thailand are teachers (in general the Thais do not allow foreigners to come here to work at just any job - supposedly it has to be a job that a 'Thai couldn't do').

So, yes, it is very accurate to say that 'the typical' foreign resident working in Thailand earns about 30,000 baht/month.

Davidboy

05-21-09, 16:20

Excellent post LBM!!

I despise these people, I mean, aren't they proud of their own?

I am French and very proud to be so, if they don't like it? they can kiss my Ass.And therein lies part of the problem; they are all so PROUD of what?

Nic, can you recite what the greatest French War Victories were? When was the last time a Frenchman won the; ‘Tour de France’? What are you so PROUD of? (The size of your penis does not matter)

You know where this is going.

Same with the Thai’s; they have a blind ‘Nationalism’; and are oh ‘So Proud’. (of what? )

Go to the South and South West US and talk to any ‘red neck’; they are, oh so proud; of WHAT? Hating Jews, Gays, and Black people?

As for me; I am an American and I served for 12 years in the military (US Marines). What am I proud of? I am only proud of myself and what I stand for and have accomplished in my life without ever cheating or looking down on anybody. Would I fight for my country again if asked; yes I would.

Am I proud to be an American? Not really.

Satrai2000

05-21-09, 17:16

...I am French and very proud to be so, if they don't like it? they can kiss my Ass.I respect you as member of this forum, as a Frenchman, as a human being, as the Atman that is part of the Brahman. But forgive me.

I just cannot kiss your ass.

Old Thai Hand

05-22-09, 01:13

Daddy07

05-22-09, 01:20

...Am I proud to be an American? Not really.
Yeah.

I think that being proud of one's nationality is a waste of emotion, as it is just as likely to be a source of shame as pride.

NicFrenchy

05-22-09, 08:40

And therein lies part of the problem; they are all so PROUD of what?

Nic, can you recite what the greatest French War Victories were? When was the last time a Frenchman won the; ‘Tour de France’? What are you so PROUD of? (The size of your penis does not matter)

Before we even start to debate on this, can you tell me if the above quoted is the limit of your intellect? if it is, then forget it but if there is more under your hood, then I'm ready to discuss (well, providing you know a little bit about France besides war adn that fagotty bycicle sport) ;)

Davidboy

05-22-09, 09:25

Before we even start to debate on this... if it is, then forget it but if there is more under your hood, then I'm ready to discuss (well, providing you know a little bit about France besides war adn that fagotty bycicle sport) ;)Relax Nic I was not trying to upset you however I doubt we can debate the French military thing as I just did a Google search on the subject and here is what i found:

Did you mean: "french military defeats"
No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found.
Your search - "french military victories" - did not match any documents.

I really don't know much about France at all; I cycled in Europe on three different occasions and did so in France in 1990 where I found the people to be the most rude in the region.

Nothing personal at all I assure you but since the discussion is about 'Pride';
Why it is that you are so proud of France is none of my business and I don't really care; my comment was just a general remark about the 'blind nationalism' that one finds in many parts of the world. Although here in Thailand it seems to be obsessive to the extreme.

Frankypanky

05-22-09, 16:09

If you run into problems, find the nearest sex provider and stick it in her hole, then you'll feel much better and you'll forget about all the racial nonsense. We're all here to get laid, those who lose site of that are foolish.

Not THAT kind of problem... :D ...
But I understand.

;)

Davidboy

05-22-09, 17:26

Before we even start to debate on this, can you tell me if the above quoted is the limit of your intellect? if it is, then forget it but if there is more under your hood, then I'm ready to discuss (well, providing you know a little bit about France besides war adn that fagotty bycicle sport) ;)Greatest French Military Victories

No this is not the limit of my intellect, only the limit of a Google search on the subject. This has to be somewhat embarrassing for a 'proud' Frenchman: You said it; not me and I am not making this stuff up.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/victories.html

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

And BTW whats up with the; 'Fag Cyclist' remark? That really shows your transparency don't you think?

After leaving the Corps I cycled across the US, from Maine to the Mexican border in Arizona. Along the way I stopped in a small town bar in Texas to have a pick-me up drink before I continued my journey; I ordered a coke and as I sat there sipping away, the snide remarks and laughter began. When I stared to leave undeterred, the comments and cat-calls grew louder. I thought that all this fighting shit was behind me, now a thing of the past, but then I also thought; 'why not one more time'. Well when I left no one was laughing, I did not look good when it was over but neither did they.

Not too bad for a 'FAG' cyclist and so much for wearing cycling shorts...some folks really do get the wrong impression.

I have some great stories from my adventures in France but this is not the forum and I doubt there would be any interest either. Peace Nic, Viva Le France!

Old Thai Hand

05-22-09, 19:32

After leaving the Corps

Given the less than stellar accomplishments of the US military during the last 40 years (although, you'll always have the victory in Granada), I wouldn't be pointing any fingers at the French, or anyone else.

Daddy07

05-23-09, 01:15

Given the less than stellar accomplishments of the US military during the last 40 years (although, you'll always have the victory in Granada), I wouldn't be pointing any fingers at the French, or anyone else.
With all due respect, I think you are confusing the failures of the US politicians with the accomplishments of the US military, which is unfair.

Are you prepared to discuss any stellar accomplishments of the Canadian military within the last 40 years? -- 100 years? -- 300 years?

GoodEnough

05-23-09, 02:12

NicFrenchy

05-23-09, 02:40

Did you mean: "french military defeats"
No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found.
Your search - "french military victories" - did not match any documents.

Not everything's about war, I despise war but since you bring up the subject, why is that France had all these Colonised countries and no military victories?
That would be like saying "lance Armstrong" won the tour de France 7 times but never actually won an "etape".

On the Cycling topic... I love cycling but it does not mean I enjoy the "Tour de France" where Anabolic Steroid grown people try to put on a show every summer trying to prove who is the biggest winner (most likely the one clever enough not to get caught).
Give me a REAL sports where Athletes compete naturally and based on Raw talent... all the rest to me is a fagotty sport.

I really don't know much about France at all; I cycled in Europe on three different occasions and did so in France in 1990 where I found the people to be the most rude in the region.

Yes, you're right, most Frenchmen are rude but it's just because we don't really like foreigners and unlike Thais, we won't put a fake smile on our face ;)
1990 you say? hell, chances are people didn't even understand you adn got irritated. People (even now in 2009) don't speak English so the rudeness is just smoke & mirrors to mask their ignorance.

Nothing personal at all I assure you but since the discussion is about 'Pride';
Why it is that you are so proud of France is none of my business and I don't really care;

Well, if it's not personal and just a general remark, why did you choose to quote my name and singled out my country?
but then, if it's not your business and you don't really care, why not keep your mouth shut about it?

my comment was just a general remark about the 'blind nationalism' that one finds in many parts of the world. Although here in Thailand it seems to be obsessive to the extreme.

Actually, Pride is something that no one can explain as it is a personal feeling. For all you know, I could be proud of what my family did more than what France did? ever occur to you?

No worries, I'm not upset, I just like these debates :D

NicFrenchy

05-23-09, 02:42

Are you prepared to discuss any stellar accomplishments of the Canadian military within the last 40 years? -- 100 years? -- 300 years?

With all due respect, I don't recall Canada going into other people's countries to show what a big poweful dick they have... ;)

Daddy07

05-23-09, 02:51

With all due respect, I don't recall Canada going into other people's countries to show what a big poweful dick they have... ;)
With all due respect, you must be talking about France, which seems to love to show off her big powerful dick by going into other people's countries, oui? ;)

NicFrenchy

05-23-09, 03:37

Old Thai Hand

05-23-09, 03:39

With all due respect, I think you are confusing the failures of the US politicians with the accomplishments of the US military, which is unfair.

Are you prepared to discuss any stellar accomplishments of the Canadian military within the last 40 years? -- 100 years? -- 300 years?

Perhaps, unfair because the US military are for the most part, world-class. However, the US military are also prone to making a lot of fatal mistakes, which has nothing to do with failed government policies, or even the ineptness of its commanders, but the cowboy mentality of its 'grunts'. With this cavalier attitude, the US enjoys the distinction of having the largest number of friendly fire incidents in the last 70 years, including WWII. More US troops were killed due to friendly fire in the 1st Gulf War, than due to action with Iraqi forces, - Hell, the US airforce shot up my Dad's airfield twice in WWII because they mistook the blue Canadian airforce uniforms for Luftwaffe uniforms.

Military accomplishments are not always about war and aggression. Canada's military has a justifed reputation as being the #1 peace-keeping force in the UN over the past 60 years, especially, when the US steadfastly refused to participate because the rules of engagement didn't suit them (i.e. you couldn't shoot at people).

I was an officer with the UN peace-keeping forces in Cyprus in the 70s when the Turks invaded. We kept the Turks out of Greek Cyprus and we managed to do so without killing anyone.

The US forced the UN to change the rules of engagement in the 90s, before they would participate in Somalia and Bosnia, where they were allowed to shoot to kill. This might have been justified, given the natures of these two conflicts. But, disagreement arose among the Canadian and other International forces and US forces over the self-proclaimed role of the US forces as the "world's police" versus the belief held by the Canadians as well as forces from a number of other countries, especially from Europe (including France, btw) that the UN's primary mission was not policing, but peace-keeping.

Anyway, I think we should drop this topic, as it is rife with potential hostility, and mainly because it clearly has nothing to do with this thread or this board.

Daddy07

05-23-09, 03:53

...Anyway, I think we should drop this topic, as it is rife with potential hostility, and mainly because it clearly has nothing to do with this thread or this board.
Good idea!

I think we've managed to prove, though, that there is plenty of irrational racism, classism, nationalism, jingoism, and xenophobia in our own countries and all over the world -- not just in the LOS.

Old Thai Hand

05-23-09, 04:03

Good idea!

I think we've managed to prove, though, that there is plenty of irrational racism, classism, nationalism, jingoism, and xenophobia in our own countries and all over the world -- not just in the LOS.

SO TRUE! The Thais certainly don't have a monopoly on it.

I do think that speaking even some of the language, wherever you are does go a long way to reducing local antipathy, somewhat. For example, despite their reputation for being among the rudest people on earth (sorry Nic), I've never encountered much rudeness in France, because I always try to speak French. Only in Paris are the people somewhat unmoved by my efforts. But, hey Parisians treat other French, not from Paris like crap, too. So goes London, New York, Bangkok and any number of other big cities.

Bigcebu

05-23-09, 08:42

Why take pride in being French? Well, for starters:

1. The best food and wine in the world;
2. A better quality of life than is found in most other places in the world;
3. A dedication to the furtherance and maintenance of public art that's unmatched;
4. An extraordinarily rich cultural history;
5. Some of the best literature and poetry the world has ever known;
6. A social compact that stresses quality of life over amount of capital amassed;
7. One of the world's most beautiful, expressive languages;
8. One of the world's most scenically beautiful countries;

How's that for starters?1. The best food is Thai, the best wine is German.
2. France is not really a rich country. Poorer as many other countries in Western Europe
3. ok
4. like everywhere in Europe
5. The best literature and poetry is Russian and German
6. That's the reason why France is not rich. Almost every day a strike, is that something to be proud of?
7. And the total inability to learn a 2nd language
8. One out of 100

NicFrenchy

05-23-09, 11:46

With all due respect, you must be talking about France, which seems to love to show off her big powerful dick by going into other people's countries, oui? ;)

Hahahahaha touche ;)

NicFrenchy

05-23-09, 11:52

For example, despite their reputation for being among the rudest people on earth (sorry Nic), I've never encountered much rudeness in France, because I always try to speak French. Only in Paris are the people somewhat unmoved by my efforts. But, hey Parisians treat other French, not from Paris like crap, too. So goes London, New York, Bangkok and any number of other big cities.

I have to fully agree.
French people are rude to those who can't speak French, this is an ego defense, they don't want to show foreigners they can't understand a word of English (for the most part).

Parisians (I am guilty here) are a totally different breed. Either you are a Parisian or you are a peasant (Paysan), there is no middle ground. :D

And people ask me why I am proud of my country? LOL well, what can I say? :D :D

GoodEnough

05-23-09, 13:31

I guess I'm fortunate in that I speak French, and lived in Paris for years, but I never, in all of my years of living there, encountered any rudeness at all, and certainly nothing that would approach the standard of New York. It's always amazed me that Americans, Brits, etc. "expect" the rest of the world to speak their language and are offended when in the heart of a non-English speaking country, people have no interest speaking English.

I remember once giving some directions to a loud American woman in the Paris metro who was complaining bitterly that none of the written directions she had were in English. When I asked her if she thought French people visiting New York complained that the standard fliers they were given had not been translated into French, she looked at me as if I were from another planet. Maybe it's time that Americans, Brits, Australians et al. actually took the time to master another language?

GE

Davidboy

05-23-09, 16:00

Given the less than stellar accomplishments of the US military during the last 40 years (although, you'll always have the victory in Granada), I wouldn't be pointing any fingers at the French, or anyone else.Who is pointing fingers?

I never said I was proud to be an American. I never said; 'I am an American and anyone who does not like it can kiss my ass'. I never said any of those things. So as a University professor you might want to 'proof' read before you post. Not an English major I presume and that is why you are probably teaching in a country that is worlds apart from Canada.

Sure the US has more 'friendly' casualties than any other country and that is probably because they are too stupid too keep their noses out of other people's business and the great majority of troops on the ground at any one time are US forces. As a former Marine I despise the US Air Force that have caused many 'friendly' casualties as you refer to; but c'mon Prof when we are the only game in town; who do you think is going to be, 'In the Shit'?

"I was an officer with the UN peace-keeping forces in Cyprus in the 70s when the Turks invaded".

And to say that you were an officer in a peace keeping force in Cyprus is a real hoot.
You got to be shxxxng me!

The whole point of this conversation is; and I remind you too is about 'Racism and Nationalism', so please sir do do deviate from the subject by injecting inaccurate and misleading 'quotes' that no one ever said nor implied.

Davidboy

05-23-09, 16:51

"Well, if it's not personal and just a general remark, why did you choose to quote my name and singled out my country?

But then, if it's not your business and you don't really care, why not keep your mouth shut about it? "

Hi Nic,

I guess it is because I am not 'PROUD' and I do not understand why others are; so if you have no reason to be 'PROUD' why not just keep your mouth shut?

Opebo

05-23-09, 18:08

No one from the Bad Place, such as myself, has any excuse for attempting to comment on France. The quality of life there is so much better than my sad land, and we've no one to blame but ourselves. Delicious high quality food, free universal health care, etc. The list goes on.

However, I will single out my personal compliment for the French people - unlike, speaking generally, my own country men, they are not fools. They at least understand politics and economics, and do take to the streets when they're being particularly oppressed. Americans always accept their serfdom uncomplainingly.

Old Thai Hand

05-24-09, 02:51

Who is pointing fingers?

I never said I was proud to be an American. I never said; 'I am an American and anyone who does not like it can kiss my ass'. I never said any of those things. So as a University professor you might want to 'proof' read before you post. Not an English major I presume and that is why you are probably teaching in a country that is worlds apart from Canada.

Sure the US has more 'friendly' casualties than any other country and that is probably because they are too stupid too keep their noses out of other people's business and the great majority of troops on the ground at any one time are US forces. As a former Marine I despise the US Air Force that have caused many 'friendly' casualties as you refer to; but c'mon Prof when we are the only game in town; who do you think is going to be, 'In the Shit'?

"I was an officer with the UN peace-keeping forces in Cyprus in the 70s when the Turks invaded".

And to say that you were an officer in a peace keeping force in Cyprus is a real hoot.
You got to be shxxxng me!

The whole point of this conversation is; and I remind you too is about 'Racism and Nationalism', so please sir do do deviate from the subject by injecting inaccurate and misleading 'quotes' that no one ever said nor implied.

The only post I made to you was the following...

Given the less than stellar accomplishments of the US military during the last 40 years (although, you'll always have the victory in Granada), I wouldn't be pointing any fingers at the French, or anyone else.

So, I don't know what you're rambling on about. Perhaps you should be the one doing the proof-reading.

As for your jibe about my service in Cyprus...While it certainly wasn't a shooting war on the level of Iraq or Afghanistan, it wasn't Granada or Panama, either. The Turkish army was on one side shooting, and the Greeks were on the other and we were in the middle. On one patrol, we were caught in a crossfire and my driver had his head blown off and I had to push his bloody body out of the way, to get at the wheel, so I could get us the hell out of there, because you see, 'rules of engagement' dictated that we weren't allowed to shoot back, even to defend ourselves. It was hardly a sunny holiday in the Aegean.

Anyway, this thread is actually about Racism in Thailand. So, neither your posts or mine about military prowess, or lack thereof, belong here.

Oh, and BTW, I teach in Thailand because I choose to, not because I can't get a job back in the 'bad place' (as Opebo calls it). I worked in Canada for 27 years and finally left, because I hate snow. Living costs are cheap here. The women are among the most beautiful in the world. The people, as much as they annoy me, sometimes are preferable to most one meets in North America.

Rayzor

05-24-09, 03:10

Maybe it's time that Americans, Brits, Australians et al. actually took the time to master another language?

GEAgreed. I am an American and am very glad most Americans don't travel abroad. Narrow minded describes most of us. Learning just a little bit of a foreign language opens up new opportunities when traveling. You can travel off the beaten path.

Redfield10

05-24-09, 07:11

There wouldn't be any French to point to if it wasn't for the United States in WWII and I know folks get tired of this subject. Nevertheless, it's true.

Given the less than stellar accomplishments of the US military during the last 40 years (although, you'll always have the victory in Granada), I wouldn't be pointing any fingers at the French, or anyone else.

Redfield10

05-24-09, 07:21

Have you ever take a basic economic course. Free health care? What a hot!

The Doctors, Nurse, and Hospitals are all free. What a deal! I'm moving immediately!

No one from the Bad Place, such as myself, has any excuse for attempting to comment on France. The quality of life there is so much better than my sad land, and we've no one to blame but ourselves. Delicious high quality food, free universal health care, etc. The list goes on.

However, I will single out my personal compliment for the French people - unlike, speaking generally, my own country men, they are not fools. They at least understand politics and economics, and do take to the streets when they're being particularly oppressed. Americans always accept their serfdom uncomplainingly.

Macheath

05-24-09, 10:31

Apart from good food the French in general know how to use cutlery, rather than just the fork like most Americans. Also in general they seem not to suffer from the psychological problems that result in gross over eating.

One of the joys of the Football World Cup is the minor role of the USA which seems not to be able to dominate in sports where drugs don't help. France can usually be relied on for great characters and good entertainment even when losing.

On wars etc I have no personal experience unlike most here, but as an Australian have the massive advantage, like Americans, Canadians etc, that we live so far away from any threat that most unlikely ever to be invaded. Unlike France which has been threatened by bad neighbours throughout history.

Also good to see the French adopting Australian expressions like "no worries" and "fair enough". We don't export much to the world but a more relaxed attitude can benefit everyone.

M P Lurker

05-24-09, 11:03

1. The best food is Thai, the best wine is German.While I eat more Thai food than anything else, I would choose French when wanting to eat something special and classy.

Perhaps Thai is great for everyday eating (cheaper than French), but the best food? There are so many basic Thai dishes that bore me but good French food is rarely boring.

My favourites:

French, Japanese, Thai.

Italian doesn't even rate a mention although non boring Italian restaurants do exist (if look hard).

Terry Terrier

05-25-09, 00:30

SO TRUE! The Thais certainly don't have a monopoly on it.

I do think that speaking even some of the language, wherever you are does go a long way to reducing local antipathy, somewhat. For example, despite their reputation for being among the rudest people on earth (sorry Nic), I've never encountered much rudeness in France, because I always try to speak French. Only in Paris are the people somewhat unmoved by my efforts. But, hey Parisians treat other French, not from Paris like crap, too. So goes London, New York, Bangkok and any number of other big cities.

I've always referred to it as 'capital city mentality'. Parisians are famously adept at this particular brand of arrogance, but they are generally outshone by my compatriots in London. Bangkokian behaviour is timid by comparison, but in relation to provincial Thai behaviour it's still prone to being extremely ugly.

As an aside, I found New Yorkers to be the most genuinely friendly people I have met in the States. Blunt but friendly. Londoners and Parisians could learn things from them.

NicFrenchy

05-25-09, 01:53

As an aside, I found New Yorkers to be the most genuinely friendly people I have met in the States. Blunt but friendly. Londoners and Parisians could learn things from them.

Interesting how people differ, I have been to NYC (Manhattan mostly) and what I have found is people to be as "Fake" as can be.
A lot of talk but no substance.

In Paris I can'r judge as I am French but in London, I found people to be honest about their feelings: If they don't want to be bothered, they won't respond. I like that in people.

Old Thai Hand

05-25-09, 02:35

Italian doesn't even rate a mention although non boring Italian restaurants do exist (if look hard).

Maybe we should start a new thread on food.

Anyway, to dismiss Italian food out of hand is a clear indication that you've never eaten real Italian food. I've had some wonderful food there. But, it is best when cooked by and eaten with locals. There is a marvelous variety of food from Tuscany to la Marche to Napoli. It's not just pasta, which by the way is mainly an appetizer or side dish.

I agree with the overall consensus that French is the best food and certainly the most sophisticated in terms of taste and delicacy.

But, for health, Italian (or Greek, for that matter) has it beat. A Mediterranean diet is noted as the healthiest by far.

As for Thai...the great myth that Thai food is healthy belies the fact that most Thai food, even in the home is fried in substandard cooking oil, that is carcengenic. While there are a few dishes that are pleasant enough, most of it is just spicey, without the proper balance of other tastes. I rarely eat it, anymore unless I absolutely have no choice.

Davidboy

05-25-09, 07:35

Maybe we should start a new thread on food.

Anyway, to dismiss Italian food out of hand is a clear indication that you've never eaten real Italian food. I've had some wonderful food there. But, it is best when cooked by and eaten with locals. There is a marvelous variety of food from Tuscany to la Marche to Napoli. It's not just pasta, which by the way is mainly an appetizer or side dish.

I agree with the overall consensus that French is the best food and certainly the most sophisticated in terms of taste and delicacy.

But, for health, Italian (or Greek, for that matter) has it beat. A Mediterranean diet is noted as the healthiest by far.

As for Thai...the great myth that Thai food is healthy belies the fact that most Thai food, even in the home is fried in substandard cooking oil, that is carcengenic. While there are a few dishes that are pleasant enough, most of it is just spicey, without the proper balance of other tastes. I rarely eat it, anymore unless I absolutely have no choice.I have to agree with this and would like to add that when traveling in Europe by bicycle I was never moving so fast as to not be able to take in and savor all the delightful things Europe has to offer from the great museums to the small villages and cafe's along the way I found the food to be very good with just a few exceptions; when I asked for chicken soup in Spain I had no Idea they were going to kill a chicken and then carry it past my table holding it upside down by the feet with blood still dripping out on the floor.

OTH makes a good point about the myth that Thai food is healthy because in addition to his comments; it is usually loaded with too much sugar and salt, plus the white rice is unhealthy because it metabolizes into glucose sugar in the body. I live next door to a university and it is interesting to note that while I do not see too many over weight uni students I do see more and more overweight younger students who attend the elementary and high school that is also near the campus. I attribute that to the fact that Mr. Donut, KFC and MacDonalds are always a favorite for these folks. And have you ever wondered why there is a MacDonalds in Bumrungrad Hospital? For years before they built the new building it was the first thing to be seen from the escalator going up to the clinics.

I think in addition to Thailand increasing the alcohol and tobacco tax they should also put a hefty tax on fast food.

But when it comes to obesity; I know it is just hard to beat the USA.

NicFrenchy

05-26-09, 01:56

Maybe we should start a new thread on food.
I believe there already is such a Thread in Giottos Forum

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2975

So I will continue the discussion on food there.

Member #4698

05-26-09, 03:11

Maybe we should start a new thread on food.A food thread makes perfect sense for this forum. In the immortal words of Jerry Garcia "we can share the women, we can share the wine."

The main reasons I keep returning to Thailand are Girls, Food, Friendly People (Culture), and Beautiful Beaches; in that order. I have eaten at a lot of great restaurants in BKK, CNX, Northern Hills, and the South. I know a lot of members have had similar experiences. We should share our knowledge.

LittleBigMan

05-26-09, 12:15

OTH,

Do you think when it comes to cooking oil in the home it's more to do with money than they not knowing that that there are better cooking oils to use. My wife in particular who doesn't have much education seems to know what type of oil to buy when we shop.

But regardless of the type good or bad, in regards to some Thai dishes like the Thai fry egg where they seem to use a half a bottle of oil just to fry one egg. They heat up the oil until it smokes and then throw the egg in and the fry egg soaks up all the oil. It taste good but man the oil inside!

Now when it comes to those Thai market that I shop and eat at... where and what kind of oil it is I have no idea but those fry chicken skins is going to kill me! For 20 baht you can't just eat one!

LBM

Davidboy

06-01-09, 17:10

Sorry for a short report; but I only use; 'Olive Oil'. for cooking and 'Extra Virgin" for my snacks.

I can not prove anything but given my age I do not plan on being around a whole lot longer!

NicFrenchy

06-02-09, 01:46

Sorry for a short report; but I only use; 'Olive Oil'. for cooking and 'Extra Virgin" for my snacks.

I can not prove anything but given my age I do not plan on being around a whole lot longer!

Can't really understand the point of your post...

You should ALWAYS use extra virgin.

Oils are extracted under extremely high temperature and pressure using toxic solvents and bleaching aids in the extraction process.
This process creates highly toxic oils full of free radicals that are then sold as cheap cooking oils or used in processed foods.

Most vegetable oils you see on the supermarket shelves are processed in this highly toxic manner unless you see the words “unrefined”, “virgin”, or “extra virgin” on the label.

These already toxic refined oils are made even worse when they are hydrogenated: In hydrogenation, the already toxic oils have a metal catalyst added to them and are again treated under high pressure and high temperature, and then steam cleaned and bleached. Now does that sound like something you should put in your body in even small quantities?

Barko

06-02-09, 05:53

can't really understand the point of your post...

you should always use extra virgin.

oils are extracted under extremely high temperature and pressure using toxic solvents and bleaching aids in the extraction process.

this process creates highly toxic oils full of free radicals that are then sold as cheap cooking oils or used in processed foods.

most vegetable oils you see on the supermarket shelves are processed in this highly toxic manner unless you see the words “unrefined”, “virgin”, or “extra virgin” on the label.

these already toxic refined oils are made even worse when they are hydrogenated: in hydrogenation, the already toxic oils have a metal catalyst added to them and are again treated under high pressure and high temperature, and then steam cleaned and bleached. now does that sound like something you should put in your body in even small quantities?smoke point of extra virgin is about 100c, not great for cooking much of anything. virgin goes off at about 150c, but you can't make much e asian food with that. so, for asian food, stir fry vegetables, fried rice, etc; canola & sunflower are probably the best of the bad choices. (as much as i hate to admit it because i agree with you about olive oil completely, have been using it for 40 years.) please, never use soybean oil for anything.

and, btw, nic, you asked me in another thread about how a farang can make more money in thailand if they speak thai. perfect example here: the chinese are growing olives for olive oil, huge estates, thousands of hectares of trees. the only importer of record in thailand, the only one that foresaw the future now completing the final hardware and storage set up to deal with the massive tanker truck imports to be shipped through the new border enclave at mai sai/tachilek, is, a thai coffee company in chiang rai. they have previously been accepted by all three countries, china, myanmar, and thailand. well, the english speakers at that coffee company are virtually non existent.

super business opportunity for someone savvy enough to have jumped on it first? certainly. but just a dream for 99.999% of everyone else. but, as with everything, and the norm here in thailand, once this gets going the small company will be bought out by nestle or some other major conglomerate and the original manipulators/mover shakers involved in the setup make bazillions. the deck has already been shuffled and dealt on that one, just waiting on the chinese. nothing left under the hat on that one.

every day stuff.

while we are on this, (and i can bury it here for you in this thread.) do some homework on the ikea startup in thailand, 11 billion baht, and lots of room to score here. the delays worked through and setup holding funds allocated = time to play. now, who are the thai investors that have put up 2% of the original investment, where are they, and what do they do? do they speak or think in english?

ok, quickly: they are a major manufacturing company in se asia, there are two thai guys that make an embarrassingly sad attempt at business english, but in reality, they are not in bangkok, they are purely manufacturing concentric, and don't really need to use english that much. their excel files and powerpoint presentations are all in thai, and to be on the safe side, they use consultant farangs that can speak and read thai to do their international transpositions and large end trading for them. their website is a joke, it's in english, but it's a joke. lots of ways to make money in the true scope of things here in thailand surrounding that ikea deal. but, you had better know how to speak thai simply to get the inside [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) on the reality of where you need to be to make it.

there are hundreds of other opportunities for thai speaking farang entrepreneurs and consultants. all you have to do is learn how to look.

corporate salarymen (and most others) simply can't make any real money internationally, much less in the good ol' bad boy corrupt country that we know so well and dearly love, thailand. 'ignorance precludes reality', and, in business, (or anywhere in southern california, heh, ) this is le plus grand of unforgivably mortal sins. that, and being shy.

Starchild2012

06-03-09, 17:33

Starchild2012

06-03-09, 17:42

There wouldn't be any French to point to if it wasn't for the United States in WWII and I know folks get tired of this subject. Nevertheless, it's true.Of course, There wouldn't be any Hiroshimas, Nagasakis, Iraqs, Afganisthan, North Korea, 911. If it wasnt for american hegemony. What makes us think god some how created Americans different than rest of the world. Whatever they do is right. What ever others do is just coming in the way of democracy: D

Of course, today it won't matter, because Presidente is just paying a visit to the most autocratic, undemocratic, monarchy in the world Arabia they call it. What the heck.

Fredje1961

06-03-09, 17:45

Hi Loser,

Please don't make confusion between western and American. I fully agree with you that Americans don't eat, they just nourish themselves (as in a kind of technical act), but it's absolutely not the case for Europe!

Hahaha...Food what food...Please dont put western junks into the category of foods.

Western foods and cooking are the greatest joke on humanity since man invented fire. :D

How dare you guys compare it with Thai, chinese and indian foods

NicFrenchy

06-04-09, 01:23

Hahaha...Food what food...Please dont put western junks into the category of foods.

Western foods and cooking are the greatest joke on humanity since man invented fire. :D

How dare you guys compare it with Thai, chinese and indian foods

That's it mate, carry your name with Pride! :D
Oh, and btw, your comments just prove you have not the first damn clue.

Starchild2012

06-04-09, 17:42

That's it mate, carry your name with Pride! :D
Oh, and btw, your comments just prove you have not the first damn clue.

Right mate, i dont have a clue, but i know what you did last summer oops..yesterday...sorry opps today..you had a burger..sorry no you had a sandwitch...nay i bet you had french fries...:D or did you had all three,,:)

Hi Loser,

Please don't make confusion between western and American. I fully agree with you that Americans don't eat, they just nourish themselves (as in a kind of technical act), but it's absolutely not the case for Europe!

True..but it is only the Americans who make such a noise about being the greatest this greatest that....Their whole life revolves around bread and butter and that thing called barbeque..which is frankly a primitive way of cooking

NicFrenchy

06-05-09, 01:39

Right mate, i dont have a clue, but i know what you did last summer oops..yesterday...sorry opps today..you had a burger..sorry no you had a sandwitch...nay i bet you had french fries...:D or did you had all three,,:)

True..but it is only the Americans who make such a noise about being the greatest this greatest that....Their whole life revolves around bread and butter and that thing called barbeque..which is frankly a primitive way of cooking

Wow, I really have to hand it to you... your handle really says it all :D
(5 is your IQ right?)

Although the US of A isn't my country, I can assure you it does not revolve at all around bread & Butter but then again, you might be a little too biased to even understand that.

Kurtweiler

06-05-09, 05:09

"Oh, forget it. It's just too hard to tell!", Born Loser 5 replied, when asked to decipher his ass from his elbow.

Starchild2012

06-05-09, 09:13

Wow, I really have to hand it to you... your handle really says it all :D
(5 is your IQ right?)

Although the US of A isn't my country, I can assure you it does not revolve at all around bread & Butter but then again, you might be a little too biased to even understand that.

Yeah 5 is my IQ ...by the way how much time it took you to figure that out ...ohhh may be 5 bottles of beer, 5 thai pussy, 5 divorces or 5 metres of rope to hang yourself in thailand.

By the way, whats your plan after you hang your boot up mongering ...please dont hang yourself mate..'cos i bet your IQ is more than 5 :D

Good to know you are not from U S of A ss holes

Starchild2012

06-05-09, 09:21

"Oh, forget it. It's just too hard to tell!", Born Loser 5 replied, when asked to decipher his ass from his elbow.

Ohhhhhhh ....you got me bro....yet whatever you do kurt..dont hang yourself in Thailand..it is increasingly becoming unfashinmable for western guys to commit suicide butt naked :D

Oh, forgot, As always....Its too hard to tell :D :D

Terry Terrier

06-05-09, 23:17

Interesting how people differ, I have been to NYC (Manhattan mostly) and what I have found is people to be as "Fake" as can be.
A lot of talk but no substance.

In Paris I can'r judge as I am French but in London, I found people to be honest about their feelings: If they don't want to be bothered, they won't respond. I like that in people.
Most others class this attitude as pure ignorance. Thanks for explaining your position on this issue of basic good manners.

Davidboy

06-18-09, 15:55

Duniawala

06-19-09, 06:49

Crazy4Thai

06-19-09, 16:05

Yeah 5 is my IQ ...by the way how much time it took you to figure that out ...ohhh may be 5 bottles of beer, 5 thai pussy, 5 divorces or 5 metres of rope to hang yourself in thailand.

By the way, whats your plan after you hang your boot up mongering ...please dont hang yourself mate..'cos i bet your IQ is more than 5 :D

Good to know you are not from U S of A ss holes

I just dropped in to catch up on what it's REALLY like in Thailand, since I've lived here 3 years now..

Turns out it's about racism against Americans again.
OK, so we have been a LITTLE weak on foreign policy, but really, most people in the USA would never call YOU an asshole.

WOOO HOOO and look at me! Only 5 years (or so) to hit the 50 post mark!
Maybe I'm more of a reader. Lurker. Asshole.

Dinghy

06-19-09, 18:52

lets be blunt folks - it's a lot more effective IF you "pood thai nit noi". Then you could just ask them "tum mai khun mai chawp farang"

Yes, Thais seem to be xenophobic (means "afraid of strangers") supposedly - I think in the lower than middle class people, it's more a matter of envy. Of course, they give me "the look" until they hear my somewhat fractured Thai and see that I eat and drink what THEY eat and drink, and share just like they do. You can even catch a break at the "dual pricing" (particularly you expats with Thai driver license) if you can READ the Thai and ask them in Thai why the price for farang is higher than Thai? Some are utterly dumbfounded that farang can SPEAK, let alone READ pasa-thai

Starchild2012

06-20-09, 14:42

In the past two weeks I have spent some $2000.00 (USD) on computer and photography equipment in Thailand; which is about 33 % more than the US even though the Western digital Hard drives are made in Thailand! So why are they more expensive here? (Because TIT)

David...If you are in Asia remember ...there is "ALWAYS" another way around....There are shops in every major cities in Asia where you can circumnavigate all the taxes and legit software and get anything you want for half the prices. Corruption works both ways...this VAT and taxes are just thug and loot by the government to suck more money out of ordinary citizens.

Just like millions of pirated DVDs been sold in Asia for half the price...you can get the computer parts, windows software, photography equipment at the right place for the price you desire.

You could ask some local expats or Thai's or search on the net, I dont know the places in Thailand...but i happen to know the locations in Manila, Cebu and Mumbai where you can get things done very cheap. I can bet Thailand been a major tourist destination, there will be many places.

I think you went to the big malls or shops where they have to put you on Tab.

Another tip, if you dont find those location...Just be super friendly with the computer show room/technical guys and ask them around...."after market hours " or on the side lines...they will upgrade your computer hardware or install legit software for a small fee.

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It works like this

Say for example, You want Windows Vista ultimate installed which is expensive and also you want office 2007 plus other essential softwares.

On the hardware side you want Intel T7250 or up Plus 4GB RAM...however if you add all the best of the laptop you really desire...it will add up say above 60 Thousand Bhat including taxes.

Now, We dont want to pay all this...We get hold of the technical guy from a shop and negotiate the upgrade.

Now, The base price will be of a laptop with all the VAT and taxes that would apply to the cheapest laptop which will show on your bill "officially" say it will be 30 Thousand Baht.

The base price will be upgraded "unofficially" and outside the VAT and taxes, so you now go from no windows installed to ultimate and with no office to office 2007, plus other sofftware....you saved more than 10,000 Baht plus without paying any VAT.

Remember, these are legit software, Not the pirated ones on the street, the hardware shops acquire licences on the bulk. So, you dont have to worry anything about pirated software in your new laptop.

However, you pay the technical guy who is doing the job for you "outside the box: :), it depends on your negotiating skills you pay say 30% of the real price for anything he installs.

Now for the upgrade of hardware, you do the same but it would be the same base price without any taxes.

So, in your bill, VAT, tax and officially, it will show, you bought the cheapest latop available but in actuality you brought a monster powered laptop :D

All in all, you can easily save 30 to 40% of the printed price in Asia without ever having to pay for the VAT or for all the software.

Remeber, You never pay for any software in Asia :)

From 60K of the original price as displayed, with negotiation you will only pay around 35 to 40K

Another point, for these type of deals, never go to the lowest places which could rip you off with second hand hardwares and pirated softwares and give you a very cheap deal...if the negotiation sounds too good to be true...IT AINT TRURE....the price should be reasonbly cheap not very cheap.

I just told you about the computer industry, but it could be done for anything like buying cars, TV, bike, house etc etc to avoid the rip of taxes.

Good Luck.

Starchild2012

06-20-09, 14:49

I just dropped in to catch up on what it's REALLY like in Thailand, since I've lived here 3 years now..

Turns out it's about racism against Americans again.
OK, so we have been a LITTLE weak on foreign policy, but really, most people in the USA would never call YOU an asshole.

WOOO HOOO and look at me! Only 5 years (or so) to hit the 50 post mark!
Maybe I'm more of a reader. Lurker. Asshole.

I'm sorry Dude, I was just joking :)...I guess it was like one of edgy David letterman jokes to Palin which was misunderstood :)...I Apologise..

PinkPearl

06-20-09, 21:01

I was walking along the street near my condo, during the height of the demonstrations a few weeks ago and out of the blue, an old Thai man came up to me and shouted, "Go Home, Farang. We don't want you here!" I didn't know this man and had never even seen him before.

Yesterday, I was at fitness in my new condo, and I got a really dirty look from some middle-aged Thai man, for turning on the fan, which he immediately snapped off with a huff. When I got a good look at him, I noticed he was wearing, believe or not, a T-shirt that said, "I hate Farang" in Thai. Today, the same guy was there, still very hostile and wearing another T that said, "I love Thailand. Thailand #1"."Kazakstan #1 nation in the world.

All other cuntries are run by little girls."

{Borat}

Obviously one of those "Thai Nazis" one encounters more and more, nowadays.

IMO, this country is becoming an increasingly hostile environment for Farang. It's just not a friendly place, anymore.You base this on what? Two experiences, one with a middle aged and another with an elderly Thai man during the riots? I would guess that the younger generations are more liberated which will lead to Nazi-like opinions increasingly dieing off. And with tough economic times foreign business, investment, and tourism should be valued all the more.

Mouse1

06-21-09, 07:53

However I will never / ever see Siam Paragon Ocean World because they can take their two tier pricing and stick it where the sun don't shine!Each to their own. I have been there 3 times when I have had a LT gf and wanted something to do in the day. Quite expensive (probably not compared with the UK) but the girls loved it and loved me for taking them there...

PinkPearl

07-04-09, 00:08

Each to their own. I have been there 3 times when I have had a LT gf and wanted something to do in the day. Quite expensive (probably not compared with the UK) but the girls loved it and loved me for taking them there...What is the farang price for Siam Paragon Ocean World?

Why is it something worth seeing?

PinkPearl

07-04-09, 08:28

Some ladies at this site specify "no indian".

http://www.angels-bangkok-escorts.net/home.htm

Shansawy

07-28-09, 10:35

Some ladies at this site specify "no indian".

http://www.angels-bangkok-escorts.net/home.htmI dont mind if they dont want anyone since they are charging min. of 5000 bhat for 2 hours. since i could get a similar quality from a SW for 500 only and with some effort in taking my time walking around and some luck I can get the same quailty. done it before.

Terry Terrier

09-07-09, 21:39

dear departed,

i have been on this board since 2003, and never have i reported anyone or ran to the moderator like a snitch to prevent anyone from saying their peace on this board. regardless of the board being a sex site and from time to time members might make a slip of the tongue which is very natural or is just ignorant of a word and doesn't justify any kind of response further.

in my years on this board i have seen some come and seen some force out like the late oth, which didn't deserve it and some we couldn't wait until the hook was given to them. you have made appoximately 3 post recently and although you provide a interesting different perpective from your experience there is racism from beginning to end on each of your reports. some members have made brief comments including myself and on the thread " destintion " about your reports. responding on the same thread i made it very cleared my feelings by calling you a " big racist " thereafter some person or persons might have reported me to the moderator or the moderator step in himself and deleted my comments. i have to wonder what these individuals are afraid of that i'm commenting on race on a sex site trying to ruin the atmoshere or something. i didn't bring the topic of race up the poster the departed did, so why i ask is he being protected and allow to post while my comments are being deleted without warning? unless they share the same views!

this sex board have many different nationalities and i'm not here to defend the minority or put a damper on the site but i'm a little pissed that the departed can use words "monkey" "darkies" "ching chong" along with using the word " lbfm " ( got it right this time t.t. ) a dozen times. in all my years i have never seen this word use this many times and in 3 long reports like he has a patent on the usage! yet i respond honestly and i'm deleted.

some might feel i should lighten up in regards to this topic. i can take and dish it out with the best of them but i don't appreciate being deleted in regards to this topic and it really pisses me off. here you have a guy that clearly has issues about race and if he knew the rascist words for koreans, japanese, and indians he would have use them too. who knows maybe he recently found out that he is no longer a owner of a slave plantation and can't [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) them any longer so he's here in thailand. that all the american indians are running the gambling casino that he lost all his hard earn money! maybe because gm, is no longer fixing his redneck truck, and he found out everything that walmart sells comes from china! and the bailout money for cars only benefited honda and toyota! who knows wtf makes this redneck ticks? that might make any redneck starts fist fucking! top that off that his older brother is marrying a lbfm who he feels is ripping him off. the list goes on and on with this guy i have heard it all growing up and in prison. no matter how you hide it this guy is a " big racist " and should be able to freely post as you have allowed him because members see him for what he is...

but don't fucking try to sensor or delete my post because you don't have the balls to allow the conversation to go on but you allow him to make his racist reports. stand up for something instead of the worrying about the $19.95! membership!

from here i'll be glad to take up the debate with anyone including the departed on the expat board under racism!

i reported all the posts recently deleted from the rod thread, simply because the rod is not a discussion thread.

anyone who actually bothered to read the accompanying notes to my links in the rod would have reasonably surmised that i was flagging up the return of domino, who is, as usual, just trying to put the cat among the pigeons and being as funny as fuck doing so. and some are falling for it hook, line and sinker.

anyone wanting to discuss the demerits of racism will only find me in agreement with them. i, and one or two others repeatedly took oth to task over his racism and bigotry (which in his case was genuine until he realised that he was always going to be an inferior outsider to the colleagues with whom he was trying to integrate). i don't recall any of the posters who are now complaning joining in those discussions.