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Ace Gallant
01-01-07, 01:00
Thread Starter.

Joe Hilton
12-21-07, 07:00
Congrats on the thread. I will throw my hat in the ring on the idea that this thread will atract longtermers here (I won't date myself except to say that my name appeared regularly on the chalk board in queue for the pool table at Shanghai Sally's when Judy's (I) was the only other bar out here).

I will try to add information to qualify but mostly I am interested in other's thoughts on this point. I am in China to make money and no point in making it if not going to spend it, so I routinely drop more for services than others on the forum, with this important caveat: I will not pay more than the going rate, just often choose the more expensive versions. Nothing to me is more of a turnoff than thinking I am paying more than is expected. I. E. I'm a sucker (this comes entirely from being in China, in Latin America it not bother me at all as entirely different reaction, longtermers no what I mean)

Lets all agree (a) there is nothing wrong with bargain hunting and (b) there is something wrong with a punter droping extra cash for the same service he would have gotten for half the price. As to the latter, there is no question that overpaying results in poorer service and lack of respect. As to price inflation, so long as you establish you a longtermer any attempt at laowai pricing is dispatched with a laugh anyway.

But what I do find on this forum is that postings are heavily weighted in favor of bargain hunting. So I am curious of other's experiences of high cost but high value experiences (maybe you not do it often, or somebody else paid, or whatever) A knock-on effect may be that those willing to drop 3, 500 on warm tea and waterred down chivas at a coffee shop on Nanjing Lu, might head to the higher end venues and not contaminate other hunting grounds.

In the spirit of information, (can't say its new) I would like to add two items from the perspective of somebody willing to pay more for more.

1. A very low risk and thoroughly enjoyable/relaxing outing is a massage with a HJ happy ending. Punters only wanting to go this far would be best directed to sauna's that specialize, no upselling and attention to the envirnoment that justifies their prices. The two options that I know well for this are 1. Tertiary Massage, on South Shanxi lu just south of Jianguo Lu. A 90 minute massage in clean though sparse room specializing, as far as I can tell, in a 30 minute HJ. Cost is at200 for the massage and then tip (at least I have been) 100 should do it. Good intel to be found searching the forum.

The other in this category, is the at900 rmb 90 minute massage at golden bell plaza across from Times Square on Huai Hai middle road (big sign, elevator to I think 7th floor). This has a high-end sauna where you not fearful of using the 3 pools (cold, hot, really hot), a nice rest area. When ready you are taken to very well done room with girl (many seem to be free-lance as want to give me their numbers), girls have ranged from 7-9s (median being closer to 9 than 7) and massage, especially after a good hot soak, have always been quite good and as HJ is understood the massage is full body without any games. The added value of this one is that the HJ is delivered with her naked. While FS is clearly a no-no, I have had it offered (and accepted) on occassion (usually I think girl looking at is as a free sample to encourage I call her), I have to say some of the most erotic combinations have played out over the massage table. Expensive, absolutely, worth it? Depends entirely on your personal opinion. I would recomend to anybody with 3 hours to spend, or longer if want to grab a bit of a nap.

2. FS. Just one item here and I have to be quick. Shanghai Hotel VIP service. I had already considered SH as upmarket as it is but got turned off by the hit-or-miss service (looks always good. Enthusiasm however, all over the place). I finally tried the VIP service for I believe rmb 200 more than the going rate (and extra time) (I am expecting lots of corrections here but believe generally right). My guess is that SH is actually a VIP service sauna with a sauna to catch the rest of the business. When I chose the VIP, I was announced as VIP coming in, given a locker right at the door, changed to PJs and sent NOT to the showers, but directly to select a girl. With people announcing my impending arrival shouting VIP VIP. A get to the door and as always impressed by the quality, if not a bit awed, but unlike other experiences, all the girls appear to be competing to catch my eye. Down the stairs to the massage room, a high end room with the shower soapy section in marble, glassed off, a large bed with mirror. And of course the infamous red ropes. The 90 (70? ) minutes are generally quite enjoyable and relaxed, clearly the girl is getting some extra cash out of the deal. Back to my locker (showered in the room) and out. It may be no better than other "soapy's" but its location and quality is worth it to me to pay for.

Anyway this was intended more as point of discussion, but with some concrete suggestions to make the point. There seems to be a constant tension in the forum about guys paying too much for nothing, part of it may be that they not able to find options that may be, at least arguably, worth it.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

OldAsiaHand
12-25-07, 03:19
Joe Hilton:

I agree with most of what you have said. I almost never do LT, so I will only comment on ST action.

To qualify, in China, I have paid as little as 30 RMB and as much as 1,500 RMB for ST. I once paid US$1,100 ST in the USA. I must admit that most of the girls I do are BBS girls in the 130-200 RMB FS ST range. One may argue that the accommodations provided are pretty skanky, but for an extra 50 RMB you can usually rent a clean ST room for a couple of hours nearby.

My theory is that you can get good or bad service in any price range. I do not find that there is any ratio between money, quality and service. Case in point, is a BBS girl a did in Guangzhou day before yesterday. All the girls in the shop were 7+ and the service received was fantastic. The price was 130 RMB + 20 RMB for a clean room. On the other hand, I've paid KTV girls over 1,000 RMB ST and been very disppointed.

Furthermore, I do between 3-5 girls every week. It would get rather expensive if I was always mongering in the high end even though I could afford it if I wanted to. I already spend way too much money on this hobby since I monger very often when I travel. Some of the places I visit are very expensive. For example, I spent over 1,000 Euro for 3 days at FKK in Germany this year and spent 38,000 JPY on a AM (Asian Mystique) girl for 2 hours in Tokyo recently. It all adds up!


Every monger has a different value for money perception. IMHO, 900 RMB for a massage and HJ is crazy regardless of the place. Even 300 RMB for HJ may be too much. There are places in S. China for 35RMB inclusive. Even, the best saunas in GZ are between 200-300 RMB for 90 minutes massage including a HJ.

The following is my list of reasonable going prices for various ST services in China. The prices will vary by location/establishment and YMMV:

BBS: 130-300 RMB.
Massage/HJ: 35-100 RMB
Sauna/HJ: 150-300 RMB
Sauna/FS: 200-1,000 RMB
KTV: 300-1,500 RMB
SW: 200-400 RMB
Hotel BBS: 300-600 RMB
Clubs/Discos: 300-800 RMB

IMHO, paying any more than these prices is ludicrous.

Just my POV.

OAH

Mock A Bee
12-26-07, 08:24
Hey AG,

Now that you have your own forum, now we can get straight to the point of this forum for a change!

I agree with OAH in that you don't necessarily get what you pay for when mongering.

I have had plenty of cheap girls (some of them were "freebies") who are complete GFE's, and likewise, my fair share of expensive "dead fish".

It is basically a crap shoot, and you get what you get.

MAB

Joe Hilton
12-26-07, 08:56
Noted on the crap shoot that is China, however I do think there are places with a reputation to uphold, the sauna at golden bell plaza strikes me as one as I really have never had a below standard experience and that makes it worth a premium when I am really not in the mood for negotiations, so far same goes for VIP service at SH. So something to keep in mind if you in the mood to pay a premium.

Otherwise I too am curious about the "reports of distinction" thread, really not a report of distinction as I added zero to the information pool. Really not holding out. Will think on whether I have anything new to contribute, otherwise stay mum.

Hope this becomes a forum for the longtermers without personality disorders. Or at least without offensive personality disorders, best of luck AG.

Zhuren
12-26-07, 16:20
Flame me for not doing the RTFF, but since this is a new forum, here is my chance: What's currently the best pick-up bar in SH? I live in Beijing, but it looks like I will be in SH frequently.

In the past, Bourbon Street served me well, but it was shuttered the last two times I was there.

Two weeks ago, I went to Manhattan Bar, and it was a disaster.

Anything similar to Maggies (sans Mongolians, most likely?)

MODERATOR'S NOTE:

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The AG's forum is created with intention to filter out all the non-informational posts like those that are written for the purpose of flaming other members. The purpose of ISG is for discussions and information for men looking for women for the purpose of sex and that includes men looking for Mongolian women Russian Women, Chinese women or women from any races. So, as long as you keep within those lines, you are ok. I would remove any post here that are intended to flame you or attack you

Ace Gallant
12-27-07, 00:54
Flame me for not doing the RTFF, but since this is a new forum, here is my chance: What's currently the best pick-up bar in SH? I live in Beijing, but it looks like I will be in SH frequently.

In the past, Bourbon Street served me well, but it was shuttered the last two times I was there.

Two weeks ago, I went to Manhattan Bar, and it was a disaster.

Anything similar to Maggies (sans Mongolians, most likely?)

Pick up bars in Shanghai is a Hit and miss, depending on each person's taste. I never have a problem with picking up girls (Both Freebies and Paybies) in Shanghai Bars if I am in the mood. However you are right in a way that bars like Judy's, Manhattan (Both in TRL) had gone downhill. I had pick up good Pros from Manhattan a year back; but now, it seems that there are only Phillippinas and "Not so female" - girls left in the bar. A quick drop by Judy's a week ago, when brother "doberpit" was visiting, turn out empty handed.

Try Babyface and Park 97, they are always full of pros and hornny girls waiting for a good one night stand. Blacklisted and I frequent those places if we are in mood for some hunting. However I dislike the loud music and disco type of bars.

I think the bars closest to Maggies in Beijing will be Babyface, but however be warned.... it's still a stone throw away! Mongolian in Shanghai is scarce, I had a Mongolian freebie once, she used to work in 500 Wuzhong Sauna. I did came across a Mongolian Pro in Park 97.

Enjoy!
AG

WinteRain
12-28-07, 06:23
Try Babyface and Park 97, they are always full of pros and hornny girls waiting for a good one night stand. Blacklisted and I frequent those places if we are in mood for some hunting. However I dislike the loud music and disco type of bars.I second Babyface. Was there a couple weeks back, and as a chinese, I was approached by 2 girls to buy them a drink or party together. We all know where that leads to.

The non proactive ones are standing at the side, bobbing to the music either alone or in groups of 2s and 3s... Generally, girls standing around are 95% hoes.

OR you can target girls in groups of 2-3 without guys, either drinking at the bar or dancing. It's really easy to party together, get a phone number, maybe a ONS.

However, don't buy a drink before letting the girl know. Because they will think that you're offering a spiked drink.

Zhuren
12-28-07, 14:24
Thank you! Uh-oh, Babyface. It's usually a loud disco with hit & miss. I'll try next time. Batt's at the Shangri-La also used to be ok in the past, we were there a few weeks ago: Fohgeddaboutit. Maybe I need to take SH off my travel list ....





Pick up bars in Shanghai is a Hit and miss, depending on each person's taste. I never have a problem with picking up girls (Both Freebies and Paybies) in Shanghai Bars if I am in the mood. However you are right in a way that bars like Judy's, Manhattan (Both in TRL) had gone downhill. I had pick up good Pros from Manhattan a year back; but now, it seems that there are only Phillippinas and "Not so female" - girls left in the bar. A quick drop by Judy's a week ago, when brother "doberpit" was visiting, turn out empty handed.

Try Babyface and Park 97, they are always full of pros and hornny girls waiting for a good one night stand. Blacklisted and I frequent those places if we are in mood for some hunting. However I dislike the loud music and disco type of bars.

I think the bars closest to Maggies in Beijing will be Babyface, but however be warned.... it's still a stone throw away! Mongolian in Shanghai is scarce, I had a Mongolian freebie once, she used to work in 500 Wuzhong Sauna. I did came across a Mongolian Pro in Park 97.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
12-28-07, 14:58
Thank you! Uh-oh, Babyface. It's usually a loud disco with hit & miss. I'll try next time. Batt's at the Shangri-La also used to be ok in the past, we were there a few weeks ago: Fohgeddaboutit. Maybe I need to take SH off my travel list ....

I think you misunderstood me. I did said pick up in Shanghai Bars is a Hit or miss. Not Babyface is a hit & miss. Of course depending on your taste. If you are in a mood for paying ripped off price in bars, you can always get a girl out anytime.

Babyface is a disco, if you don't mind the loud noise, I am sure as a experience monger, you will never come out of there empty handed.

Shangri-La Bats is famous for ripped offs. The girls there thinks that people going there are stupid rich guys and especially those who stay in the hotel. However, the girls forgot that although the Shangri-la hotel's guests are better off, the girls are still a the same. Nothing different from a normal pros.

Shanghai still has lots of fun places but you need to keep your eyes and ears open.

Enjoy!
AG

Beijing Fox
12-29-07, 16:16
As I live close to Shanxi South Road, I went this afternoon to check out the massage. Right south of the crossing there is a short stretch of beauty parlors and 2-3 massage places. I gave the blind massage a miss and entered the one with Japanese billboards. I ordered a "Deluxe oil massage (for men only)" and waited for things to happen. However, nothing happened besides a massage that was quite good. She just wouldn't go near my dick and even when prompted she wouldn't give me a Happy End. Clearly, I must have gone to the wrong place.

Could you please give a more detailed location description of the place where you go to.

Thank you


Congrats on the thread. I will throw my hat in the ring on the idea that this thread will atract longtermers here (I won't date myself except to say that my name appeared regularly on the chalk board in queue for the pool table at Shanghai Sally's when Judy's (I) was the only other bar out here).

I will try to add information to qualify but mostly I am interested in other's thoughts on this point. I am in China to make money and no point in making it if not going to spend it, so I routinely drop more for services than others on the forum, with this important caveat: I will not pay more than the going rate, just often choose the more expensive versions. Nothing to me is more of a turnoff than thinking I am paying more than is expected. I. E. I'm a sucker (this comes entirely from being in China, in Latin America it not bother me at all as entirely different reaction, longtermers no what I mean)

Lets all agree (a) there is nothing wrong with bargain hunting and (b) there is something wrong with a punter droping extra cash for the same service he would have gotten for half the price. As to the latter, there is no question that overpaying results in poorer service and lack of respect. As to price inflation, so long as you establish you a longtermer any attempt at laowai pricing is dispatched with a laugh anyway.

But what I do find on this forum is that postings are heavily weighted in favor of bargain hunting. So I am curious of other's experiences of high cost but high value experiences (maybe you not do it often, or somebody else paid, or whatever) A knock-on effect may be that those willing to drop 3, 500 on warm tea and waterred down chivas at a coffee shop on Nanjing Lu, might head to the higher end venues and not contaminate other hunting grounds.

In the spirit of information, (can't say its new) I would like to add two items from the perspective of somebody willing to pay more for more.

1. A very low risk and thoroughly enjoyable/relaxing outing is a massage with a HJ happy ending. Punters only wanting to go this far would be best directed to sauna's that specialize, no upselling and attention to the envirnoment that justifies their prices. The two options that I know well for this are 1. Tertiary Massage, on South Shanxi lu just south of Jianguo Lu. A 90 minute massage in clean though sparse room specializing, as far as I can tell, in a 30 minute HJ. Cost is at200 for the massage and then tip (at least I have been) 100 should do it. Good intel to be found searching the forum.

The other in this category, is the at900 rmb 90 minute massage at golden bell plaza across from Times Square on Huai Hai middle road (big sign, elevator to I think 7th floor). This has a high-end sauna where you not fearful of using the 3 pools (cold, hot, really hot), a nice rest area. When ready you are taken to very well done room with girl (many seem to be free-lance as want to give me their numbers), girls have ranged from 7-9s (median being closer to 9 than 7) and massage, especially after a good hot soak, have always been quite good and as HJ is understood the massage is full body without any games. The added value of this one is that the HJ is delivered with her naked. While FS is clearly a no-no, I have had it offered (and accepted) on occassion (usually I think girl looking at is as a free sample to encourage I call her), I have to say some of the most erotic combinations have played out over the massage table. Expensive, absolutely, worth it? Depends entirely on your personal opinion. I would recomend to anybody with 3 hours to spend, or longer if want to grab a bit of a nap.

2. FS. Just one item here and I have to be quick. Shanghai Hotel VIP service. I had already considered SH as upmarket as it is but got turned off by the hit-or-miss service (looks always good. Enthusiasm however, all over the place). I finally tried the VIP service for I believe rmb 200 more than the going rate (and extra time) (I am expecting lots of corrections here but believe generally right). My guess is that SH is actually a VIP service sauna with a sauna to catch the rest of the business. When I chose the VIP, I was announced as VIP coming in, given a locker right at the door, changed to PJs and sent NOT to the showers, but directly to select a girl. With people announcing my impending arrival shouting VIP VIP. A get to the door and as always impressed by the quality, if not a bit awed, but unlike other experiences, all the girls appear to be competing to catch my eye. Down the stairs to the massage room, a high end room with the shower soapy section in marble, glassed off, a large bed with mirror. And of course the infamous red ropes. The 90 (70? ) minutes are generally quite enjoyable and relaxed, clearly the girl is getting some extra cash out of the deal. Back to my locker (showered in the room) and out. It may be no better than other "soapy's" but its location and quality is worth it to me to pay for.

Anyway this was intended more as point of discussion, but with some concrete suggestions to make the point. There seems to be a constant tension in the forum about guys paying too much for nothing, part of it may be that they not able to find options that may be, at least arguably, worth it.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

MODERATOR'S NOTE:

BF: Perhaps you can be a little more specific on the location of that MP you been to that does not gives extra service. Description like the cross road or the address would helps members to pinpoint the place and give the place a miss if they are look for extra service place. Shanxi South Road is a long road.

Joe Hilton
12-30-07, 08:11
Sorry not being specific, nothing worse than a near miss, my apologies...you will see an excellent post on the topic in the last week on the main Shanghai thread, including I think a business card. I couldn't say anything better than that post, sorry not sure how to do the link thing. If you too lazy, you just didn't walk far enough, I should have said closer to JiaoZhaBanglu(?) but couldn't remember the damn name of that street. Its set back a a bit with car parking in front of it.

Albert Punter
01-02-08, 09:32
Let me also add Rojam disco (in case you want to try discos other than bars scene, which personally I don't like).
It is located at the back of Hong Kong Plaza on Huai hai Lu.
Few times I went there, I always came out with a prey.



Thank you! Uh-oh, Babyface. It's usually a loud disco with hit & miss. I'll try next time. Batt's at the Shangri-La also used to be ok in the past, we were there a few weeks ago: Fohgeddaboutit. Maybe I need to take SH off my travel list ....

Joe Hilton
01-02-08, 14:16
Out of obligation to accuracy, I headed over to Tertiary this afternoon for a massage, and discovered they've actually lowered their prices (again) so that a 90 minute soil massage session now costs 140, also talked with the girl about the additional fee which I have always given to the girl (100) but not the desk. But then the desk had always charged me the flat rate only. She told me that I am supposed to give the hundred to the desk and that's all the girls do, is hand it over, (she called it a shou fei rather than xiao fei. Did think to ask if it means what I think it means) as they are not supposed to take tips. So I didn't give it to her and sure enough, paid 240 at the desk. I will admit I am shocked that of all the things in Shanghai not to be subject to inflation.

I had 113, cute, excellent massage (I had a knot in my back and she worked it out as well as any blind man) but not up to the usual quality on the HJ so would recomend a pass.

I haven't noticed any change in consistency, still get the hot towels under neck, back, on stomach and knees in the beginning while she works you scalp and neck, so when she moves to your back its warmed up. The only other good hot towel place I know is on Dingxi lu two blocks north of YanAn lu (on the right from Yanan), 100% legit owned by a Taiwanese, big barbershop operation in front, massage rooms in back, put you in chairs that almost lie flat and cover you back with inches-thick hot towels, then expertly walk on you back, turns it to jelly, but haven't been back there in a couple years. Would recomend it though for legit massage as recall prices quite reasonable (anything better than dragonfly)

Beijing Fox
01-02-08, 17:41
Finally found the place. Thanks for the explanation.

Things went a bit different though. I also opted for the Vienese massage and as I didn't ask for any specific number, they sent me No 82, who speaks some English. After a normal massage she gave a nipple massage which nearly made me come. Seeing my hard-on, she asked if I wanted a massage there too. After my confirmation, she asked for a tip of 400. At that stage I would have given her nearly anything, but still managed to bargain her down to 300. After that, everything was back on track and she really did a great job. From your reports, I understand, that I have been ripped off somehow, but it still was a bloody good HJ.


Sorry not being specific, nothing worse than a near miss, my apologies...you will see an excellent post on the topic in the last week on the main Shanghai thread, including I think a business card. I couldn't say anything better than that post, sorry not sure how to do the link thing. If you too lazy, you just didn't walk far enough, I should have said closer to JiaoZhaBanglu(?) but couldn't remember the damn name of that street. Its set back a a bit with car parking in front of it.

Beijing Fox
01-03-08, 06:05
Hi Zhuren,

Give me a call when you're next time in Shanghai. (I hope, you still have my number) I'm now mostly in Shanghai and have been only once or twice in BJ since we met at Maggie's last year.

If you're interested I know a very good sauna. Otherwise I also would be interested to explore the bar/club scene which I haven't done so far, but would like to do so. Maybe, we can do it together?


Thank you! Uh-oh, Babyface. It's usually a loud disco with hit & miss. I'll try next time. Batt's at the Shangri-La also used to be ok in the past, we were there a few weeks ago: Fohgeddaboutit. Maybe I need to take SH off my travel list ....

Icup 123
01-03-08, 17:26
Since this forum seems to be less cluttered I just decided to post over here. Stayed in Shanghai for a week in December and me and a few friends decided to check out the KTV's since clubbing wasn't that spectacular (I might have went to the wrong ones though). Hit up Goldtime KTV http: //goldtime.com. Cn/ First day went there nobody spoke English but then they had some guy on the phone explain to us the charges.

Here it goes. For 4 people got a small room for 1200 then you must buy drinks equal to the room charge so minimum 1200. Tip of 300 to waitress, 300 to mommy, 300 per girl. The mommy there speaks pretty decent English, little mommy speaks some aswell and is super cute. As for taking the girls nobody in my group did that so I didn't bother aswell sorry no prices: D

But heres a breakdown: you can stay in the room till 2AM Expect to spend 1200+1200+300+300xAs many girls as you get and that should be the charge.

I just read a report saying that you should negotiate the price I forgot about that when I was actually there.

Hope this helps: D

Clean Gene
01-07-08, 09:11
I tripped on a traffic barrier and wanted a good accupressure massage for my neck, back and leg. I went to "Famous Massage" ...famous since 1996 (black and white sign in front). It is on the street right outside the back entrance to the Central Hotel (Wang Bao He) which is located at JiuJiang Lu overlooking the square on Nanjing Lu. It's the tower with the horizontal battlements sticking out the top.

As far as I know, the Famous Massage is just a very excellent straight massage. You can ask the Taiwanese manager if anything else is offered. (There are also a half dozen or more massage and sauna places on the same side of the street.)

I got excellent massages from the two best massage girls on duty. One from Hunan, the other from Hainan. (There is only one girl from Hunan and only one from Hainan so you won't make a mistake.) The cost is something like 60 RMB, and I tipped perhaps 40 or 50 RMB because massages were so effective.

I then took taxi to XTD (11 RMB).

SE Asia Joe
01-07-08, 09:23
For 4 people got a small room for 1200 then you must buy drinks equal to the room charge so minimum 1200. Tip of 300 to waitress, 300 to mommy, 300 per girl.
But heres a breakdown: you can stay in the room till 2AM Expect to spend 1200+1200+300+300xAs many girls as you get and that should be the charge.
I just read a report saying that you should negotiate the price I forgot about that when I was actually there.
Hope this helps: D
errrr.... methinks you got screwed.... and not in the biblical sense either!
Methinks that it probably is OK to pay 1,200 minimum charge (depends... how nice is the place?!) - but certainly NOT an additional 1,200 room charge. Jeez - you must think you're back in the Good Ole U of SA to be willing to fork out a total of US$320/RMB 2,400 for the privilege of just getting a K=OK room. This is China my friend!
SE Asia Joe

Zhuren
01-07-08, 16:00
Hi Zhuren,

Give me a call when you're next time in Shanghai. (I hope, you still have my number) I'm now mostly in Shanghai and have been only once or twice in BJ since we met at Maggie's last year.

If you're interested I know a very good sauna. Otherwise I also would be interested to explore the bar/club scene which I haven't done so far, but would like to do so. Maybe, we can do it together?

Still have number! Will call you when there. Taiwan Guy inquired on your behalf about Regency, information was given ....

Icup 123
01-07-08, 17:30
Lol I did RTFF on the newbie info for KTV's but I totally forgot about it since I read so many other reports! But as for how nice the place is one of the girls was telling me that the HK movie stars go there? I don't know if thats true but yeh its a pretty pimpin place: D.


errrr.... methinks you got screwed.... and not in the biblical sense either!

Methinks that it probably is OK to pay 1,200 minimum charge (depends... how nice is the place?!) - but certainly NOT an additional 1,200 room charge. Jeez - you must think you're back in the Good Ole U of SA to be willing to fork out a total of US$320/RMB 2,400 for the privilege of just getting a K=OK room. This is China my friend!
SE Asia Joe

Mock A Bee
01-07-08, 19:36
I just visited a BBS at the intersection of Xikang Lu and Wuding Lu (it is on Xikang Lu).

You will know you found the place because it is literally between two real estate offices, and has the requisite lighted and rotating, green foot massage sign, pink glowing lights inside and semi obscure glass doors. Basically you can't miss it, unless you are blind.

BJ only, 150rmb
FS only, 200rmb
Combination FS with BJ, 300rmb

The girl I had was from Guangdong, relatively fastidious about keeping clean and always used a condom. She only does CBJ and won't let you insert fingers because she assumes all customer fingers are dirty. She was fairly GFE, though wanted to rush me... uh I guess you only get 1 hour max, or her girlfriends ask what the hell is going on. She also playfully asked for a 300rmb tip... no thanks, she definitely wasn't that good.

Prices are in the ballpark for places relatively close to downtown Shanghai, more or less, though I have definitely found cheaper and more discreet places.

Also, they do take out, but ask for 400rmb for one hour. Not sure these prices are worth it.

MAB

WinteRain
01-09-08, 07:41
Also, they do take out, but ask for 400rmb for one hour. Not sure these prices are worth it.

MABFrom my experience, take out price should be the same except you pay the extra cabfare home and give the girl some money to take a cab back to the bbs.

:)

Nosebleed
01-09-08, 16:42
Not a new report, but wanted to thank Joe Hilton for his post on the Golden Bell Sauna, which made me decide to try it out. It is on the 9th, not the 7th floor.

I agree it is expensive at 900 RMB, but I don't go out frequently and hate to waste my few opportunities to do so. I had number 58, surnamed Wang, whose wonderful pillowy breasts made the trip worth the price. Perhaps you can find someone just as or even more attractive, but I can't. Her breasts seemed genuinely sensitive, making me a bit guilty for selfishly handling them to my great enjoyment. She was a tall 170+, thin figure, and had had childhood dreams of becoming a star. I think she's from around Yangchow.

She did a covered BJ before HJ, so I guess that they have certain leeway in service packages, like J.Hilton mentioned. Overall, I'd say looks 8/10, service 6/10. Just wasn't as sexy and intense as I would like, except for the 5 minutes I lost my mind when she first undressed. The massage in my opinion really just took too long, with no hints of seduction. Perhaps for non-newbies, things are different.

I hope other people will post their visits to Golden Bell as well, because I didn't get a chance to check out the girl selection. I definitely would go back to find out when I can.

World Guy Sh
01-13-08, 08:37
You know the routine, so to the point:

Good if not great time Friday evening. Solid performer, nice B Cup breasts. Enthusiastic on the soapy side, not so on the 'dry' side. Perhpas 'mechanical' but was in no rush. CBJ. Odd for here which was poor. FS, didn't mind about size, happy on top and below. Pretty tight but loosened up!

No 02, Zhu Li; Hangzhou
Effort 7/10
Attitude 7/10
BJ 3/10
FS 6/10 - fake moaning and "I love you"
DATY - n/a
FK - n/a
700RMB 80 mins

NB - not sure if this should be in the standard SH thread or here.

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Mock A Bee
01-21-08, 03:11
From my experience, take out price should be the same except you pay the extra cabfare home and give the girl some money to take a cab back to the bbs.

:)

I think the girl I had, who was from Guangzhou, just wanted to see what she could get out of me.

She did have the audacity to ask me for a 300rmb tip as I was getting ready to leave this dump!

I won't likely visit, there are plenty of other BBS to try within a one block radius, and others that I know with better service and price.

MAB

Mock A Bee
01-24-08, 10:16
Went to BBS/foot massage/hair salon place at 359 Xi Kang Lu at Wu Ding Lu. Right across the street from Manhattan Heights apt complex.

Asked for a foot massage, 28rmb, but went to the restroom first, which is on the second floor. Just outside the restroom, after I finish my business, foot massage girl asks if I want a body massage instead for 50rmb.

The usual drill, she wants to upsell me. She starts a legit massage, and then a second girl comes in and asks if I want two girls, for 50rmb each. No thanks. Pretty persistent, but they got the message quickly.

Then the next upsell, after about 10 minutes of legit massage, she asks if I want a HJ for an extra 50rmb. I play around a bit, tell her no, etc. I knew this would be coming. In fact, I would be disappointed if she didn't try to upsell me on a HJ.

I make her give me more massage first, to stall a bit, then I eventually say yes, but only if I get to play with her pussy.

I have her pull her panties off, and she gives me an oily HJ, and I sniff her snatch, stick my finger inside and eventually give her a bit of DATY. Nice looking pussy, a bit of muff, hairless vulva, tight too. I wouldn't mind FS with her.

Total cost for oily HJ with massage is 100RMB.
A bit better than a regular BBS, slightly nicer.

She says they don't give BJ's or FS at this place, but I think it depends on who your service provider is. The girls in this place come and go like everywhere else.

MAB

Ragnarok42
01-26-08, 12:51
Went to BBS/foot massage/hair salon place at 359 Xi Kang Lu at Wu Ding Lu. Right across the street from Manhattan Heights apt complex.

Was in Shanghai for a couple days and went to the BBS across the street from where you went. No pussy footing around, I asked them if they have "Da Bei (FS)" and she said yes but hesitated. average performance, large tits and a super tight ass (to feel, no anal).

When we were cleaning up I asked if any foreigners come and she said of course. But the ask them to pay 400 RMB not the 200. I asked if any of them refused and ask for 200 but she said no, that they are willing to pay 350 to 400. Never thought being an ABC would help me in China ;-)

Ace Gallant
01-29-08, 04:10
This question had been showing up many times in the main Shanghai thread. "Staying in Regent Hotel / Howard Johnson Hotel, anyone know of any quickie activities around there?"

The answer is "Yes".... I was checking out some of the streets around the block and found these 3 BBSs tuck around the corner of Ding Xi Lu.

HJ @ 50RMB
BJ @ 80RMB
FS @ 150RMB

Not all the three offers FS every time. According to the owner of the BBSs, they only offers FS to people whom they know are not Cops and to customers whom they are familiar with. When asked about Foreigners, they told me, depends on the girl.

There are average of 10 girls in each BBS. Their range from 5/10 to 7/10 in terms of looks and body.

To get there, walk West from Regent Hotel / Howard Johnson Hotel on Yanan Lu on the South side of Yanan Lu, until you hit Dingxi Lu. There's a HongKong Restaurant at the Junction. Walk down Dingxi Lu until you passed a building on your right with a Snooker hall on the Second floor. Keep till the first T-Junction and turn left into it. You will pass one Housing Agent and a Alldays drugstore. The first BBS is just next door. There are two more down the small road on the same stretch but I had noticed that they are not open everyday. I wonder why??? If they are not open the Shutters are down and therefore you do not know they are there.

Here's a link to the Map I had posted in the Maps and directions thread.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=701005&postcount=6

Enjoy!
AG

Joe Hilton
01-31-08, 10:09
My lack of clear info continuing to appear, lets just say I'm not a detail guy. On Golden Bell, I think unless you have the number you want ahead of time you have no control over who you get. No line up, etc. But I have also never rejected any. I've had a few great ones but for some reason just like the idea of taking whoever shows up. I will try my best to report in the future.

My guess is that the women come from the KTV that is above (I think) but also they are not off in some dormatory, some of them clearly free lancers looking for extra business, one goes to my gym (yikes) I got full service from one that was clearly trying to make get me on the hook and had me take her mobile number to give to my friends (sorry deleted as soon as left the place). So in some ways knowing hand job is the standard, all else (and I've had everything else by now) just icing on the cake, somewhat normalizes it all. If I'm really horny, I head to SH VIP room. Why set myself up?

On the comment about the massage, I would say that part of going there is very much for the suana/massage as much as the extra service. So its more a place I go with a plan of reading the shanghai daily in the hot pool, then nice massage, then her clothes come off. The technique really varies, my favorite so far was one that used the crease behind her knee, tits in my face (why don't I keep these numbers! )

Anyway hope I've finally completed my report here, apologies again for lack of detail.

Blacklisted
02-02-08, 11:27
Hey everyone, just want to add a great recommendation from someone over in the other Shanghai thread about a love hotel (of sorts).

This place is simply awesome for China in that they offer 3 hour options as well as over night and are highly GF. Only bummer is you do need ID for any hotel in China, so anonymity is not a possibility.

Prices are very good, they have a membership card system and I think I was paying about 188 for 3 hours or just under 400 for overnight.

The coolest part is the rooms though. All different themes, great big tubs to soak in and the business single rooms (slightly more expensive) have one of those gyno / fuck chairs in them which scares the shit out of many girls but can be good fun.

I have been making pretty extensive use of the place since I gave up the shag pad a few months back and have tried almost all of the rooms.

Also, it seems very very clean and I think only opened about 8 months back so if you need somewhere to go, I definitely recommend the place.

The place is called La Casa and the address is:

3300 West Yan An Road (near Hongqiao)

http://www.lacasahotel.com.cn/en

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Zhuren
02-03-08, 04:12
The coolest part is the rooms though. All different themes, great big tubs to soak in and the business single rooms (slightly more expensive) have one of those gyno / fuck chairs in them which scares the shit out of many girls but can be good fun.

Wow! Things are looking up!

Bnlee2
02-03-08, 04:45
[QUOTE=Blacklisted]Hey everyone, just want to add a great recommendation from someone over in the other Shanghai thread about a love hotel (of sorts).

The coolest part is the rooms though. All different themes, great big tubs to soak in and the business single rooms (slightly more expensive) have one of those gyno / fuck chairs in them which scares the shit out of many girls but can be good fun.
The place is called La Casa and the address is:

3300 West Yan An Road (near Hongqiao)

http://www.lacasahotel.com.cn/en

Blacklisted

Those gyno chair are the "bomb". Been to a few of these high end hotel in china with them. The last one i was at was the "East Ocean" in CP/DG. I love those gyno chair. I just wish that some of the other hotel put those chairs in the room. They are soo... cool to use. and the multiple position that it can accomodate.

Zhuren
02-03-08, 04:50
Those gyno chair are the "bomb". Been to a few of these high end hotel in china with them. The last one i was at was the "East Ocean" in CP/DG. I love those gyno chair..

We are used to them from Japan and Europe, where they are quite common. Hadn't thought they would have made it to China. Ah, progress!

Bnlee2
02-03-08, 05:50
We are used to them from Japan and Europe, where they are quite common. Hadn't thought they would have made it to China. Ah, progress!

which hotel in europe? never seen them at the ritz c.

Blacklisted
02-03-08, 05:57
Those gyno chair are the "bomb". Been to a few of these high end hotel in china with them. The last one i was at was the "East Ocean" in CP/DG. I love those gyno chair. I just wish that some of the other hotel put those chairs in the room. They are soo... cool to use. and the multiple position that it can accomodate.Really?

I only tried the most obvious one! What are the other options? Ha ha, must not have been using my imagination well enough!

Thank god for the Japanese, that's all I can say! Perversion just wouldn't be nearly as much fun without their input!

Zhuren
02-03-08, 09:48
which hotel in europe? never seen them at the ritz c.

No, the Ritz Carlton isn't THAT advanced yet.

http://www.absolutesuite.com has all the gear you would want for your stay.

Our favorite club, http://www.insomnia-berlin.de, has several ... for the enjoyment of the users and on-lookers as well.

Albert Punter
02-04-08, 04:21
Ok, ok, those are specialty hotels, not standard ones.
I thought I was missing something.


No, the Ritz Carlton isn't THAT advanced yet.

http://www.absolutesuite.com has all the gear you would want for your stay.

Our favorite club, http://www.insomnia-berlin.de, has several ... for the enjoyment of the users ad on-lookers as well.

Stickmanfob
02-05-08, 04:53
Sorry to ask this question but why was this forum created when there is another China forum already? The reason for the question was in which Shanghai forum to post this in.

I have a special trip planned in Shanghai at the end of this month. It is special because I am usually limited to only two days and then I have to leave but will be in Pudong for an entire week. May not be that exciting to you guys that live locally here but for someone coming out of town it is a great thrill.

I have been to the Shanghai Hotel, KTV's, don't remember the place but a sauna type place where the girl gets naked and gives you a bj and hj (I like the added touch of the girl who comes around and digs out stuff out of your ear), and some escort service that I called from the yellow pages in my hotel when I was extremely horny once.

My question is does anyone have any recommendations on an escort that is somewhat of a non-pro? I am looking to spend some time with a non-pro that works during the day (because I have to work too) and then go out to dinner and sleep at my hotel for a few nights. I would of course pay but was sort of tired of the same old same old and if any of you had any recommendations on such, I would appreciate it. Please inbox me if that possibility even exists.

If not, is there any escort that is truly recommended?

Thanks guys.

Ace Gallant
02-05-08, 05:23
Sorry to ask this question but why was this forum created when there is another China forum already? The reason for the question was in which Shanghai forum to post this in.

Thanks guys.

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OldAsiaHand
02-10-08, 10:18
Was in Shanghai for a couple days and went to the BBS across the street from where you went. No pussy footing around, I asked them if they have "Da Bei (FS)" and she said yes but hesitated. average performance, large tits and a super tight ass (to feel, no anal).

When we were cleaning up I asked if any foreigners come and she said of course. But the ask them to pay 400 RMB not the 200. I asked if any of them refused and ask for 200 but she said no, that they are willing to pay 350 to 400. Never thought being an ABC would help me in China ;-)

This is the problem in Shanghai. You have these Big Swinging Dick (BSD) foreigners willing to pay a surcharge and screwing it up for the rest of us. Over 90% of the time in S. China, if a foreigner knows the price, the providers will agree to it. In Shanghai, it is completely opposite. They just turn away your business if you do not want to pay more.

Just my POV.

OAH

Clean Gene
02-13-08, 11:39
I tripped on a traffic barrier and wanted a good accupressure massage for my neck, back and leg. I went to "Famous Massage" ...famous since 1996 (black and white sign in front). It is on the street right outside the back entrance to the Central Hotel (Wang Bao He) which is located at JiuJiang Lu overlooking the square on Nanjing Lu. .

Tony reminds me that this was a famous "Red Light District" a number of years ago. Skilled SW's sometimes work the shops, but don't stay long.

King Xavier
02-16-08, 09:40
This is the problem in Shanghai. You have these Big Swinging Dick (BSD) foreigners willing to pay a surcharge and screwing it up for the rest of us. Over 90% of the time in S. China, if a foreigner knows the price, the providers will agree to it. In Shanghai, it is completely opposite. They just turn away your business if you do not want to pay more.

Just my POV.

OAH

IMHO:

That's because you foreigners are "too beaucoup"! Not like us asians who are petite. ;)

Blacklisted
02-20-08, 06:33
Went to Ba Dong last week and had a very poor experience. It used to be quite good there with a sexy and accomodating mama.

Unfortunately she has since left the company and now a papasan resides. He is quite a nice guy, but the selection of girls there was abysmal.

They never had a lineup but the mama used to provide pretty well.

I was given an overaged (probably close to 30) girl with yellow and crooked teeth.

I was hesitant as she stripped and I then discovered she was fat and had saggy tits.

Being in the wet room, with a price tag of 800, I thought fuck that with a big stick. I am not paying that kind of money for anything less than perfection with the additional offering of anal should I be so inclined.

Got her on the blower to call the papa back down there and I asked to see the other girls.

Was told she was it and so I said I would pay for the shower and leave. That was considered okay, all in the name of customer development (fee about 65RMB), so I paid and fucked off.

Unfortunately his efforts were in vane as I swore not to return to the place again.

There are too many good saunas and soapies around to go all the way to Pu Dong for that.

Hope this prevents one of you guys from the same fate.

Anyone hit 500 Wu Zhong lately? That was gonna be my next target, but reports on that place have not been seen for a while.

Cheers boys!

Ace Gallant
02-21-08, 04:25
Went to Ba Dong last week and had a very poor experience. It used to be quite good there with a sexy and accomodating mama.

There are too many good saunas and soapies around to go all the way to Pu Dong for that.

Hope this prevents one of you guys from the same fate.

Anyone hit 500 Wu Zhong lately? That was gonna be my next target, but reports on that place have not been seen for a while.

Cheers boys!



Hey BL,

Perhaps you should post the address of this place?

MAB and I was just in 500 Wuzhong 2 days ago. There are limited selection of girls due to CNY. However most of the girl working there (a selection of 10 from the lineups we had seen) are new faces.

Enjoy!
AG

Blacklisted
02-21-08, 10:44
Hey BL,

Perhaps you should post the address of this place?

MAB and I was just in 500 Wuzhong 2 days ago. There are limited selection of girls due to CNY. However most of the girl working there (a selection of 10 from the lineups we had seen) are new faces.

Enjoy!

AGHey AG,

It is not worth posting because I would recommend against going. Expensive and poor selection. If anyone wants to find the location, which is next to Courtyard Marriot in PuDong, just type Ba Dong into the search thread for Shanghai in the main forum.

Cheers!

OldAsiaHand
02-22-08, 12:42
King Xavier:

I only wish that were the case for me. They just think all foreigners are rich and should pay more. And, they get the BSDs that do pay more.

OAH



IMHO:

That's because you foreigners are "too beaucoup"! Not like us asians who are petite. ;)

Mock A Bee
02-25-08, 03:02
All,

Regarding prices of prostitutes in China, the article posted below can also be found here: http://stockideas.org/content/view/1445/86/

Regards, MAB


Friday, 22 February 2008
Andy Carpenter

One of the many things you can learn about Asia only by going there a lot is that it is chock full of great Italian restaurants.

In Shanghai, I love DaMarco – it’s hidden amid an apartment complex. You can get a great pizza at Pasti, which if memory serves me right is on Beijing Xi Lu. And of course there is the fabulous Roman fare at Palladio in the Ritz Carlton.

You could drop these amazing restaurants in Boston, Auckland, Toronto, or Dublin and they’d be standouts. What once made them extra special was that an undervalued Chinese currency and low inflation made then stellar values as well.

Of course that’s all changed. A combination of factors, driven primarily by logistics, weather, and food-safety issues, have seen China’s average grocery bill spike by 18 percent during the past year.

Some of that price bump also has to do with the fact that salaries for middle-class, white-collar workers and factory workers have steadily climbed. So the Chinese can simply afford to pay more without grumbling.

But the man on the street in Beijing, the woman on the street in Shanghai, and the student in Nanjing now pay more for luxuries, large and small.

That’s because while China has, for the past three years, been exporting inflation to the United States, it has been importing it in the form of European and American business people and tourists.

Most of them don’t know the value of anything in China. A way favorable exchange rate meant they could capriciously throw Yuan at their desires.

And it is our desires, after all, that really fuel inflation.

Hooked On Inflation

In Beijing, my desire for cold beer always leads me to Maggie’s.

One of Beijing’s oldest bars, it has often relocated, but in 1999 it landed at the East Gate of Workers Stadium, which is the Olympic soccer venue. The combination of stadium renovation and the high profile location caused Maggie’s to be relocated to South Gate at Ritan Park.

The move also put it close to many embassies and just minutes from a ton of new and established business-class hotels in central Beijing. That’s likely great for Maggie’s … but not so good for Chinese inflation.

You see, Maggie’s is famous for very cold beer, attentive bartenders, DJs who play 80s-style rock music, a crowded eruo-dork-filled dance floor, unleveled pool tables, and most notably for its Mongolian hookers.

Since they’re generally taller and larger chested than the average Han Chinese woman, Maggie’s owners have not discouraged the girls because they are good for business. The thinking is that the Mongolians’ size make them the kind of women foreigners find attractive.

It was long rumored that Maggie’s was owned by high-ups in the Beijing Police Department. But the truth is that it’s owned by some very savvy Beijingese businessmen.

Judging by the crowd at its old East Gate, Workers Stadium location, Maggie’s combination of free-lance hookers and traditional nightclub amenities is a successful marketing ploy.

I’ve yet to go to the new Maggie’s. I found out it had moved last spring when I watched NCAA basketball semifinal games (in the very early morning) at a place famous for it’s Texas Chili. It’s just down the street from the new Maggie’s.

Now for all my trips to China, I must admit the only thing I have ever purchased at Maggie’s is cold Tsingtao for 30 rmb, which a year ago was at $3.75 but is now about $4.20.

Hook Line and Sinker

Now the sex business in China amounts to slightly less than 10 percent of its entire GDP. I have seen statistics that prostitution alone makes up nearly six percent of China’s GDP.

So whether you’re a priss or a prude, you’re going to have to get comfortable with the fact that what happens in China’s sex trade does have an overall effect on global prices.

And, I am told, that Maggie’s free-lancers are at least 10 percent more costly this year then last, and 75 to 80 percent more costly then they were five years ago. That’s despite the fact that the services they offer are no more improved upon than they were 1,000 years ago.

My pal Don – as well as fellow U.S. businessmen (and tourists) – is the reason why.

You see, five years ago in Shanghai, Don hooked himself up with a couple of girls who claimed they were twins. While their lineage may have been a scam, there was nothing false about their looks. To be fair to Don, I must admit, they were hot, as in H-O-T … hot!

Now, I could care less how my next-door neighbor spends his money, or with whom he shares his bed. So I cared even less about what or whom a business acquaintance spent or bedded in a hotel 7,300 miles from home.

Even if those twins were hot … way hot. Did I mention that before?

No, what got my hooter honkin’ was when Don told me he paid (the equivalent of) $90 total to rent both girls for the night. And he was so impressed by the level of their service he gave each of them a $50 tip.

He was proud of both the price and the tip, and probably by the fact that at 62 years old he got his money’s worth.

But there’s no tipping in China. No tipping cab drivers, a couple cents to the bellman and hotel maid … and no tipping hookers.

So even though Don sinned by not even attempting to negotiate the price with his nubile playthings, you know darn well they know what they are worth to Americans.

Each time they get a hefty gratuity, their price skyrockets. My friend John Zhang, in Shanghai, guessed that five years before they met Don those hookers were likely getting $20 a night if they were lucky.

And I guarantee you that those girls are now getting upwards of $350 a night. Because they are hot and because a friend from Beijing just answered an email query I sent out.

It seems the ugly Mongolians in Maggie’s are getting $210 for a full night now.

Don’s not just indirectly responsible for that either. When my Asia Business & Investing newsletter launches on IDE, I’ll tell the rest of this story to subscribers - the losing Don in Maggie’s part and the authorities looking for Don part.

Ace Gallant
02-25-08, 13:26
Well guys,

After an another long CNY break, things starts stepping back; nothing change. I did some scouting among the regular BBSs... same girls coming back to work from hometown, KTVs; same lineups, TRL same SWs; same chat-bars girls ripping off foreigners; (Man!! I should be careful about this, since I am posting from a Bar in TRL right now!!!)....

Putting aside its still freaking cold out there; Boys... time to come back out to play!!!

Enjoy!
AG
BTW: I had found a new sauna not far from TRL which I will investigate further, I was told they are having opening Promotion price for only 450RMB, FS included.... watch for my reports.!!!

Blacklisted
02-27-08, 09:15
Gents,

Visited the aforementioned BJ factory (Xuanhua Lu, Jiangsu Lu - across from the Japanese massage parlour) and was astounded to hear the price is across the board 200 for anyone non-asian looking.

Usually I have avoided arguements by only having a visible 150RMB in the wallet when going but the girl got very upset after giving me a terrible covered BJ (they also claim the boss insists covers are used for ALL lao wai).

She told me the news and I told her don't worry I would confirm with the boss, which I did.

He confirmed and let me off for 150 since I am an old customer and did not receive the memo.

I guess it is still 130 if you look Asian, or maybe the price is up to 150 there too. Would be good to hear from a brother in the know.

I forgot to get the girls name who serviced me unfortunately, as she is bound to provide poor service.

Ah, Shanghai, what is happening to you!

Mock A Bee
03-02-08, 12:41
The Pub "not to be named" is now nearing completion of another remodeling job.

Inside, it is quite nice, well lit and reminds me of a decent 3 or 4 star hotel. The bar is not quite finished yet, but will soon be. Brand new = clean, for now at least. For a BBS, this is pretty upscale.

The little rooms inside, instead of a little cubicle (though those were not bad actually) now have a proper door with a lock, basic bed covered with a terry cloth towel, modest mood lighting and AC. Sparse but pretty well done from what I saw - you don't need much anyway.

There were only two girls at the time, maybe 6:30pm, and my little friend Ling Ling, though not exactly a cutie, a bit chubby and getting old (she really only has a few years of service life left), was very GFE (she misses me, awe shucks! don't they all?). She gave a very nice BBBJ licking my balls, nipples, tummy, you name it. No AR but didn't ask for one.

She then covered me and mounted me cowgirl style. Her snatch was very tight, almost too tight, and she started to ride me. She eventually loosened up and got extremely wet and had an orgasm.

She stayed in the Cowgirl position and kept riding me until I blew my wad. Did I mention she was extremely wet?

She is quite fastidious with cleaning, both me and herself, before and after the deed - she must have taken ten minutes to clean up her snatch afterward.

Overall, she was very GFE and provided great service. I only wish she were cuter. I may have to see about choosing another girl for variety.

MAB

Blacklisted
03-02-08, 14:24
500 Wuzhong Lu sauna is currently undergoing renovations in the shower and bathing areas.

Patrons are still able to shower there, under the watchful eyes of some 10 or so workman passing bits of scaffolding over your head as you soap your balls.

The girls there were looking quite okay. I was in at 1:30 and shown a lineup of 6 girls. All were 6's and 7's and seemed to have good attitudes.

I selected a very skinny girl from Fujian who had a good personality. I was kind of regretting the selection (always happening to me lately! Still chasing the perfect experiences that crop up once in a while), but she was not so bad afterall.

Lots of spitting on the floor and general farminess about her, but a good bit of fun for 530RMB in Shanghai on a Sunday afternoon.

Ace Gallant
03-03-08, 09:40
The Pub "not to be named" is now nearing completion of another remodeling job.


MAB

Spoken to the manager there and I was told that when fully completed; there will be 6 VIP rooms, 1 waiting room and the lounge (with the small bar - photo No. 2).

From the outside the bar looks like a normal massage parlor with a LCD TV and a small Marble Bar in the 10 Sqm reception lounge. A door frank to the left of the lounge which leads to the girls locker room and another room at the back left corner of the lounge leads to the VIP rooms.

The girls will be waiting in the waiting room which will be the 1st room entering from the lounge area. The waiting room will have a couch for the girl to cuddle with you while you sip your beers before and after your get your service.

The place is clean (hopefully it will remains the same for the next 6 months or so.

Attached are some photos which I took with the consent of the manager. And yes, that's MAB walking towards the entrance of ZY .... :-)

Oh yah... I forgot, the manager said that there will be 2 new girls coming in this week and another, mid of March. These are the "new Girls" mentioned by Member Lao Ma from the main board.

Enjoy!
AG

Mock A Bee
03-05-08, 04:41
I paid a few visits to Tong Ren Lu Bar Street in the last week.

For those of you who are newbies, it is that part of TRL Bar Street between Nanjing Lu and Yan An Lu.

It was 9pm (early) and Blacklisted and I were walking the dreaded "Walk of Shame" checking out the various bars. The girls are getting very very aggressive these days. They will absolutely try to grab onto you and physically pull you in.

Rather off putting really so we tried to keep moving along as best we could.

We kept walking, starting from M Zone and Blue Frog to the opposite end (Yan An Lu) where you can find some fresh talent who have not been completely brainwashed into thinking customers actually enjoy having their money sucked out of their wallets.

Don't get me wrong, they all know the drill, just that you have to pick carefully when choosing your "companion" for the night. They love to double or triple team on you, so your wallet gets emptied 2x or 3x faster. Resist the urge unless you have plenty of cash to burn. I DO mean burn.

The last bar on the end (I forget the name) is not so bad as far as aggressive girls go. I met a nice lass who is cute and not quite as pushy as the rest of the girls.

Perhaps competition is heating up? Don't know the reason why the girls are so aggressive these days.

MAB

Ace Gallant
03-05-08, 22:21
I paid a few visits to Tong Ren Lu Bar Street in the last week.

The last bar on the end (I forget the name) is not so bad as far as aggressive girls go. I met a nice lass who is cute and not quite as pushy as the rest of the girls.

Perhaps competition is heating up? Don't know the reason why the girls are so aggressive these days.

MAB

De Je Vu is nearer the Nangjing Road End and Sunshine is nearer the Yan An Road end. Both of them are well known Ripped off joints in Chinese terms as "Dark Shop". Both of them had moved over from Ulumuqi Lu across the street from Hilton Hotel.

But don't all agree that most of the chat bars are ripped off bars? Unless they know you very well. any ripped off bars will rip you off anyways... that's why they are called ripped off bars.... :)

Enjoy!
AG

Matsu69
03-08-08, 16:54
I paid a few visits to Tong Ren Lu Bar Street in the last week...

We kept walking, starting from M Zone and Blue Frog to the opposite end (Yan An Lu) where you can find some fresh talent who have not been completely brainwashed into thinking customers actually enjoy having their money sucked out of their wallets.

Perhaps competition is heating up? Don't know the reason why the girls are so aggressive these days.

MABM Zone used to be a nice establishment where you could get a drink in peace and quiet if you didn't want to put up with the BS at the rest of the bars on TRL. It has been sold and renamed Deja-Vu. Pretty much a copy of all the other rip off bars on the street now.

Be careful... my first time there after the change, I paid for drinks with MC. When the bill came through from the CC company I had not 1 charge, but 3 charges in the exact same amount.

IMHO Judy's Too and Manhattan are the only places I spend my money now. All the rest are real rip-offs.

Ace Gallant
03-10-08, 15:58
M Zone used to be a nice establishment where you could get a drink in peace and quiet if you didn't want to put up with the BS at the rest of the bars on TRL. It has been sold and renamed Deja-Vu. Pretty much a copy of all the other rip off bars on the street now.

Be careful... my first time there after the change, I paid for drinks with MC. When the bill came through from the CC company I had not 1 charge, but 3 charges in the exact same amount.

IMHO Judy's Too and Manhattan are the only places I spend my money now. All the rest are real rip-offs.

FYI:

M Zone was not sold but was Closed down.
It was not renamed as Deja-Vu, Deja-Vu had moved over from Ulumuqi Lu to TRL, first bar nearest to Yanan Lu one year ago. Deja-Vu is a well known Ripped off bar and if you ask around, even the security guards will tell you that they are a "Hei Dian" = Ripped Off joint.
When M ZOne closed down, Deja-Vu moved from the 1st unit to the last unit originally M-Zone.

All bars chat bars in Shanghai are ripped off bars. How else would the girls be making money out of the commission from customer without buying them drinks? TRL has the most number of these and therefore most of them are ripped off. The only difference between them is whether they prefer returning customers or like Deja-Vu, they only go for one time business; ripped off as much money from your wallet at one go!

Manhattan and Judy's Too are Hookers bars, they don't have chat girls trying to rip you off but, one would go there if you want a 100% hit rate to get laid by paying a hooker. However, at some point in time, Manhattan too, gave a commission to any hooker who would convince their customer to buy them lady drinks.

Blue Frog is the only nice restaurant bar in that block where you can get a decent meal, not get harass by chat girls and yet there are chance of meeting perhaps a freebie (from twice experiences).

Oh, by the way: The bar on TRL that was originally Deja-Vu is now a new bar called Sunflower. Not really new... but they had also moved from Ulumuqi Lu.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
03-13-08, 17:15
For those who stays around the area or in the Bridge Hotel on Xi Kang Lu. You may be pleased to know that the BBS across the Bridge Hotel has some very new and pretty stock fresh from their hometown. I was walking by and saw some really nice faces so I popped in for a look and found a 23 year old sweetie whom I took out for a ST at the 1 star hotel in the same building.

The ST cost 150 and the room for the 2 hours usage was 50RMB. Great price! I was told that if you stay at the Bridge Hotel across the road; it is ok for the girls to come to your room. But if you are not staying either one of these two hotels, they will charge your 300 per hour for take out and they do not do such take out before 12am.

In all my previous pass by on this BBS, they never had pretty or young girls. Today was a surprise for me!

Attached is a photo of the BBS and the sign board outside the Bridge hotel.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
03-16-08, 17:13
After another Sunday evening drinking at TRL is headed back and decided to drop by my favorite Xi Kang Lu to check out some of the BBSs. As I was attracted by the lights from the Club MUSE from the Junction of Yu Yao Lu and Xi Kang Lu, I decide to walk into Yu Yao Lu to check out the two BBSs on Yu Yao.

The Shanghai Gang had frequent these two BBSs before and thus the bosses is familiar with me. I had brought several ISG brothers (including OAH) there before. The BBSs are across the road from Muse Disco.

In the first BBSs, there were only one girl left, a 6/10 and she is from Sichuan. While there were three girls from the BBS on the left. The boss keeps pushing me to take a new girl saying that she is only her second day there. She is Zhen Ni, from Zhejiang. 6/10 in looks.

Since it is a slow Sunday evening, we agree on a 400 for overnight. Brought her home and now in the showers. Will update this report later after the deed.

Attached is the map of the BBSs (marked with Red dot) and a photo taken from the XiKang Lu junction. The two BBSs are side by side and are the one with Pink lights in the photos.

Me Enjoy!
AG

World Guy Sh
03-17-08, 15:46
I'd be interested to know what people are being quoted / charged on Tongren Lu. Was chatting to a not bad looking Filipina on Friday evening and she wanted 1500 and to leave at 3am. This was just after 1am. 1500 ST seemed ridiculously steep. I know she is going back for more but please. That feels like London prices.

Managed a 1000 LT Chinese girl, but she was out by just after 8am a couple of weeks back. Best bet to date has been the LT 1200 Filipina (where she wants a tip) and who just seems happy to, well stay. Until we get up and have mooched about a bit. 1/2 am pick up and not left until 11am/1pm. No questions on number of times and seems to enjoy it.

However, this feels like over the odds. 1000 tops feels more like a reasonable price, perhaps 800. However, I cannot be bothered to hang around until 3am when the better lookers have gone and spend large money on beer and then, well just want to sleep when I get home. Billy has aired a similar view on the Beijing thread ref Maggies.

Any thoughts on pricing? ST vs LT, Chinese vs Phillappino?

And if anyone feels like making a more social evening of it, I am up for that. 'Hunting' is always more fun in a pack. Manhattens and Judy's are a little dull. Better banter in a group and the girls appear more interested.

WGS

Mock A Bee
03-18-08, 02:34
I'd be interested to know what people are being quoted / charged on Tongren Lu. Was chatting to a not bad looking Filipina on Friday evening and she wanted 1500 and to leave at 3am. This was just after 1am. 1500 ST seemed ridiculously steep. I know she is going back for more but please. That feels like London prices.

Managed a 1000 LT Chinese girl, but she was out by just after 8am a couple of weeks back. Best bet to date has been the LT 1200 Filipina (where she wants a tip) and who just seems happy to, well stay. Until we get up and have mooched about a bit. 1/2 am pick up and not left until 11am/1pm. No questions on number of times and seems to enjoy it.

However, this feels like over the odds. 1000 tops feels more like a reasonable price, perhaps 800. However, I cannot be bothered to hang around until 3am when the better lookers have gone and spend large money on beer and then, well just want to sleep when I get home. Billy has aired a similar view on the Beijing thread ref Maggies.

Any thoughts on pricing? ST vs LT, Chinese vs Phillappino?

And if anyone feels like making a more social evening of it, I am up for that. 'Hunting' is always more fun in a pack. Manhattens and Judy's are a little dull. Better banter in a group and the girls appear more interested.

WGS

Pricing on Tong Ren Lu (aka TRL) seems to be a bit inflated these days, and is getting worse.

In part because the girls ask for high prices and too many tourists accept. This seems to be happening at Maggie's and the Pig in Beijing. I think this is happening at TRL as well. But TRL was never a very good place to pick up a pro.

I personally feel that paying anything above 800rmb is a hell of a lot of money for a Philippine girl (they are not usually my type, so I don't take them). Unless she is really hot and gives good proven service. There are a surprising number of Philippine sex workers in Shanghai, so perhaps the novelty of a Philippine girl in Shanghai is worth something extra for some guys.

As for Chinese girls, you can still get a really hot KTV girl for 1,200 to 1,500rmb. Again, personally I think paying much more than 800-1,000rmb for a Chinese girl is asking a lot, and even then, you can find BBS girls to go home with you for a LOT less, even when you factor in a Lao Wai tax.

Well, this being Shanghai, I think people expect that you can afford it, so they ask for it. If everyone accepts the higher prices, then we get price inflation. So, exactly what changed in the equation?

If we factor in the fact that food and housing in Shanghai does cost more than most Chinese cities, then we can accept that. However, the quality of snatch and service is the same (have you noticed a markedly and tangibly higher level and quality for snatch and service? I have not). There are just as many, if not more pros and semi-pros, working than ever, so supply is abundant and therefore professional snatch is a commodity. (I have not done a scientific study, however, I don't think there is more demand than supply at this time, and perhaps never will be given the constant abundant supply and current economics of China)

However, beyond that, most sex workers in Shanghai, or China for that matter, don't need to pay for many out of pocket expenses on a regular basis considering most of these girls either get free meals and entertainment from or with their customer while working or they are paying for stuff on the lower end of the price spectrum if it comes out of their own pocket. If you look at sex workers as a group, most live a very modest lifestyle. It is the semi-pros, KTV girls, and a few others who live a high-end life style, but this is a relatively small group of sex workers if you take into consideration all sex workers.

Inflation in China is reported to be at 8% these days, yes that is high due to many factors. Inflation in China is more than 2x the desired long term rate - long term meaning centuries. The desired long term targeted inflation rate should be roughly 3% for a sustainable long term growing economy, or that is the goal suggested by most Western trained economists.

What factors contribute to 20-30% price inflation for snatch in China these days? IMHO, there are not very many factors that make enough of a difference to justify a 20-30% increase over last year to justify current prices.

Perhaps inflated pricing only occurs in high traffic, high profile areas with a large number of expats. I personally think that pricing for a pro in Shanghai in certain high profile areas is inflated these days. BBS’s, saunas and other services seem to be reasonably steady as far as I know.

Anyone else want to comment?

MAB

ps, given that the US Dollar is sinking, and we use the USD as a global standard for commodities, which it is for 75% of all global commodities traded today, in real pricing terms the cost of snatch is already more expensive without a change in RMB price based on last years pricing. Therefor, all things being equal, for a commodity price to stay current, the current RMB price for snatch should be going down. Currently if 1usd = 7.0rmb, then we should only be paying 700rmb for snatch that was 750rmb last year.

We should all be bargaining downward!

Ace Gallant
03-18-08, 03:40
I'd be interested to know what people are being quoted / charged on Tongren Lu. Was chatting to a not bad looking Filipina on Friday evening and she wanted 1500 and to leave at 3am. This was just after 1am. 1500 ST seemed ridiculously steep. I know she is going back for more but please. That feels like London prices.

Managed a 1000 LT Chinese girl, but she was out by just after 8am a couple of weeks back. Best bet to date has been the LT 1200 Filipina (where she wants a tip) and who just seems happy to, well stay. Until we get up and have mooched about a bit. 1/2 am pick up and not left until 11am/1pm. No questions on number of times and seems to enjoy it.

However, this feels like over the odds. 1000 tops feels more like a reasonable price, perhaps 800. However, I cannot be bothered to hang around until 3am when the better lookers have gone and spend large money on beer and then, well just want to sleep when I get home. Billy has aired a similar view on the Beijing thread ref Maggies.

Any thoughts on pricing? ST vs LT, Chinese vs Phillappino?

And if anyone feels like making a more social evening of it, I am up for that. 'Hunting' is always more fun in a pack. Manhattens and Judy's are a little dull. Better banter in a group and the girls appear more interested.

WGS

I seldom use the girls in Manhattans or Judy's but had experience bargaining the price for some of my friends in the past.

The price for Phillippinos in Manhattan or July's should be: 500 ST , 800 LT.
Of course they will ask for more if they can see that you are a foreigner and if it is early part of the night. Normally they would start of the bargain at 1500 ST and 2000 for LT if it is before 1am. Under such conditions I would directly tell them off and take the walk. many a times, when we returned an hour later, and they are still there, they would automatically lower their price to 1500 LT and 1000 ST, at that price it is still unreasonable however it may sound reasonable for a lot of newbies or guys who are just visiting. I had managed to bargain the price down to 1000 for LT and 600 ST (before 1am).

I had found that the Chinese would asked for a little less, since I spoke to them in Chinese. Also because the fact that a lot of them would turn up to be SWs after 3am. If they are out of luck inside Manhattan or Judy's they would take the streets after 3am. The lowest the Chinese would go is 300 for ST and 500 for LT.

However all these prices are subjective to the condition of whether you are an Asian, speak Chinese and the time of the night. Of course there and other factors like, if the girls knows you, or had often seen you around TRL, the Quality of the girl, etc. Its been a long time since I had taken any one of the SWs, or WGs from the Bars maybe like what MAB said; the price is highly inflated now. I should try next time as I was spending too much time on freebies. :)

Enjoy!
AG

Levitian
03-18-08, 05:00
I think there is an overall upturn for prices, triggered by Phillies and also other non-Chinese pros entering the meat market in Shanghai.

Have a look on the adds on "Craiglist" for Shanghai. You will find more and more professionnel escorts advertizing there, with horrendous moon prices.

Levitian

Mock A Bee
03-18-08, 05:30
I think there is an overall upturn for prices, triggered by Phillies and also other non-Chinese pros entering the meat market in Shanghai.

Have a look on the adds on "Craiglist" for Shanghai. You will find more and more professionnel escorts advertizing there, with horrendous moon prices.

Levitian

It seems to me that pricing for girls is pretty much like anything else in China, such that if you lack information on the going rate, then you will tend to overpay.

Therefore to the uninformed, even at higher prices that a regular informed customer would pay, a pro may seem like a bargain to them. But to people who have plenty of information, regulars and locals for example, know better than to over pay. (also many newbies will use a reference they are used to, such as what it would cost at "home", which is an incorrect comparison, not an apples to apples comparison)

If everyone else is publicly advertising a high price, then you would do that as well or you start with a bad negotiating position. As in bargaining, the seller always quotes a ridiculous price on the opening salvo because in a tit-for-tat type of negotiation (which is typical for this type of transaction) if you show your cards too early or lower your bargaining position too early, you don't leave yourself much room over your minimum acceptable bargaining position for negotiation and you leave yourself in a bad spot minimizing any potential upside.

Likewise, the customer needs to start negotiations at an equally low price or end up in a poor bargaining position, and you end up paying more.

Unless you are used to tit-for-tat type negotiation, have enough information about the market, and start at a good bargaining position, the pro will end up screwing you instead of the other way around.

If engaged in tit-for-tat negotiation, it usually leaves one or both of the negotiating parties in a bad position, often with regrets after agreement is reached, and the total net economic benefits had by both parties in sum total is very poor. This is considered the worst type of strategy (for both parties) you can use when negotiating anything.

Bottom line is, an uninformed buyer will tend to overpay because they start with a much worse bargaining position when negotiating. Plus most men think with their little head instead of their big head when negotiating with a pro.

MAB

Ace Gallant
03-18-08, 06:19
It seems to me that pricing for girls is pretty much like anything else in China, such that if you lack information on the going rate, then you will tend to overpay.

Therefore to the uninformed, even at higher prices that a regular informed customer would pay, a pro may seem like a bargain to them. But to people who have plenty of information, regulars and locals for example, know better than to over pay. (also many newbies will use a reference they are used to, such as what it would cost at "home", which is an incorrect comparison, not an apples to apples comparison)

If everyone else is publicly advertising a high price, then you would do that as well or you start with a bad negotiating position. As in bargaining, the seller always quotes a ridiculous price on the opening salvo because in a tit-for-tat type of negotiation (which is typical for this type of transaction) if you show your cards too early or lower your bargaining position too early, you don't leave yourself much room over your minimum acceptable bargaining position for negotiation and you leave yourself in a bad spot minimizing any potential upside.

Likewise, the customer needs to start negotiations at an equally low price or end up in a poor bargaining position, and you end up paying more.

Unless you are used to tit-for-tat type negotiation, have enough information about the market, and start at a good bargaining position, the pro will end up screwing you instead of the other way around.

If engaged in tit-for-tat negotiation, it usually leaves one or both of the negotiating parties in a bad position, often with regrets after agreement is reached, and the total net economic benefits had by both parties in sum total is very poor. This is considered the worst type of strategy (for both parties) you can use when negotiating anything.

Bottom line is, an uninformed buyer will tend to overpay because they start with a much worse bargaining position when negotiating. Plus most men think with their little head instead of their big head when negotiating with a pro.

MAB

In my experience, provider usually gives better service if you pay them a reasonable price. If they agreed on a very low price and regret it later, likely they will be giving you shit service or lots of problem like; rush you to finish quickly or trying to give excuse to go off early after one pop even if it is for LT.

But overpaying does not guarantees good service either. To them if you overpaid; are are nothing but a stupid tourist, so they will take every advantage of you and gives you the same kind of shit like trying to leave early.

So what will be a reasonable price? IMHO: If the girl is my type and I really feels like fucking her, I do not mind paying a little more between her asking price and market price. Example: 500 for ST, she ask for 1000, I think 700 is is reasonable. Of course again other factors are taken into considerations; like; time of the night, quality of her body etc etc....

Rules of my thumb, I will start off as low as I can and work myself up, making them think that I am not stupid but I am reasonable and willing to give them more because I like her? But there are also exceptions where I had paid a little more 600 for ST but when she finish with her good service, I gave her another 100 tips. the effect is she ended up refusing to leave! But the normal price of LT was 800 and she was asking for 1000. So I do not know whether that I had gain from it by giving her the 100 in tips or was it something else?

Enjoy!
AG

Levitian
03-18-08, 06:24
Btw, quite interesting discussion going on in the Beijing Threat about prices for the Maggie's girls.
I do believe in this particular case this forum is also somewhat responsible, because the Beijing thread basically changed into a "Promoting Maggie's" thread.

Levitian

Mock A Bee
03-18-08, 11:31
Btw, quite interesting discussion going on in the Beijing Threat about prices for the Maggie's girls.
I do believe in this particular case this forum is also somewhat responsible, because the Beijing thread basically changed into a "Promoting Maggie's" thread.

Levitian

Levitian,

I agree. Too much publicity, and too many people frequenting the same place and not getting out enough to check out other places.

Maggie's and the Pig in Beijing, Tong Ren Lu bars, Bourbon Street and other places in Shanghai which are flooded with expats, attract pros and semi-pros who want to overcharge unsuspecting foreigners, relative to the rest of the market.

I guess you can't blame a first time tourist who can't speak the language and doesn't know market pricing, for accepting a higher price (sometimes way higher than regulars would accept).

However, that is kind of an advantage for those of us who live in China - if you know where to go and can venture out to the local places, there are some real gems out there.

MAB

Ace Gallant
03-18-08, 15:16
Levitian,

I agree. Too much publicity, and too many people frequenting the same place and not getting out enough to check out other places.

Maggie's and the Pig in Beijing, Tong Ren Lu bars, Bourbon Street and other places in Shanghai which are flooded with expats, attract pros and semi-pros who want to overcharge unsuspecting foreigners, relative to the rest of the market.

I guess you can't blame a first time tourist who can't speak the language and doesn't know market pricing, for accepting a higher price (sometimes way higher than regulars would accept).

MAB

I think publicity from the board can works both ways:

If a member does read and knows the normal price they would not over pay. That's something good.

If a member does read only the part of "where the pussy at" and ignore totally the less of the post.
That's bad.

The exception are:
1) If a member reads and knowing the normal price but yet goes out and overpaid way above.
2) If a senior member knowing the normal price and does not wants to tell anyone about it but instead posted fake reports or false information. Thus deceiving the newbies.

In these two above cases, we will term those members as: "Wankers"

Newbies who overpaid because they do not know the normal or standard price are excusable. The only part they are not excusable is that they did not discover ISG or did not RTFF.

Enjoy!
AG
BTW: There are a number of well known members belonging to the second type of wankers mentioned above.

World Guy Sh
03-18-08, 17:15
Good debate and useful informaiton. I go better informed next time.

I'm partly in the camp of if you like the girl don't drive too hard as it damages service. If you are after ST or just wanting to get home, I'll push harder. However, I never take the first quoted price. But have not managed the low of 800RMB to date. Live and learn. Just like the sounvenir stalls. And just like those, having got the feeling I was going for a ride I turned and asked a local for their views.

I noticed that speaking Chinese to a Chinese girl certainly paid dividends. Obviously it is English with the Flippers. And having been to Manila (expensive Philippines) it does gaul to pay 1500 for what would be 500LT there.

One comment I got from one girl was that some of them just hold out for the guy who will pay. They are so desperate to send money home they won't cut and run and risk losing something. Apparently they see China as now very 'rich' vs the Phils and the people, both Chinese and others viewed as loaded with cash. In my case she wasn't coming after me with a cut price.

Whatever, short of handing out pricing cards on TL to all Laowei's going into the bars you won't be able to control them so the prices are going to go up as more and more people come to China and Shanghai. It could just be a case of make yourself vaguely known as a serious buyer by going regularly and not sky high prices but treating the girls well when you go with them. They all live together and all seem to talk to each other. Seems to work in Maggies.


However, that is kind of an advantage for those of us who live in China. If you know where to go and can venture out to the local places, there are some real gems out there.

I'll just have to keep my eye out. Perhaps there should be some new bars that can't be named. I miss all that.

WGS

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Blacklisted
03-19-08, 07:32
I yesterday found another prostate massage place - for the more budget conscious mongerer.

It is located north of the normal one, (kanding lu and xikang lu) and is just south of Anyuan lu.

The deal here is you walk in and they offer the oil body massage for 100 kuai.

I took this option and was led to a cubicle - nowhere near as nice as the other massage place and more like a BBS.

In the room I discovered that the oil massage is the prossie massage and ends in the usual da feiji.

There is little interaction with the girl, apart from some persuasive nipple tickling and the rest is all business.

Not a bad experience and there is a cute one in there so I may have to go back to try her services as well.

Mine was 24 year old from Xi'an.

Worth a look if in the area.

Ace Gallant
03-19-08, 09:37
Good debate and useful informaiton. I go better informed next time.

I'm partly in the camp of if you like the girl don't drive too hard as it damages service. If you are after ST or just wanting to get home, I'll push harder. However, I never take the first quoted price. But have not managed the low of 800RMB to date. Live and learn. Just like the sounvenir stalls. And just like those, having got the feeling I was going for a ride I turned and asked a local for their views.

I noticed that speaking Chinese to a Chinese girl certainly paid dividends. Obviously it is English with the Flippers. And having been to Manila (expensive Philippines) it does gaul to pay 1500 for what would be 500LT there.

One comment I got from one girl was that some of them just hold out for the guy who will pay. They are so desperate to send money home they won't cut and run and risk losing something. Apparently they see China as now very 'rich' vs the Phils and the people, both Chinese and others viewed as loaded with cash. In my case she wasn't coming after me with a cut price.

Whatever, short of handing out pricing cards on TL to all Laowei's going into the bars you won't be able to control them so the prices are going to go up as more and more people come to China and Shanghai. It could just be a case of make yourself vaguely known as a serious buyer by going regularly and not sky high prices but treating the girls well when you go with them. They all live together and all seem to talk to each other. Seems to work in Maggies.

I'll just have to keep my eye out. Perhaps there should be some new bars that can't be named. I miss all that.

WGS



IMHO:

We cannot control the price of what everyone is going to pay or overpay the providers. But we only can try to tell those we know to the best of our knowledge on the "normal prices".

I am not in agreement about fact that some of this wankers that are overpaying will spoil the market. Because ultimately you will be the one making the call on how much you wish to pay to the provider based on how well you negotiate for a fair deal. I am also not in agreement of the fact that there are some members (especially in the South China Thread) that are calling newbies BSDs because they just do not know what the hell is going on. Everyone need s to be given a fair chance to grow up and find out that what he had been ripped off. Like them, we were once a newbie before, remember how you felt when you had been called a BSD or Wanker in the past?

One or two person over paying or even 10% of the mongers over paying will not spoil the market. Its a supply and demand thing; not everyone will overpay, not all the girls will try to ripped you off. There will be limited numbers of people who do not know the normal pricing and will overpay. In fact there are more smart monger then there are stupid mongers, so if the demands coming for the stupid mongers are smaller in percentage, the supply will be more than the demand and that will push the price back down. The girls are not stupid either; on knowing that there are not many stupid mongers in the market, if they do not lower their price or offer the normal price, they will be left with NO BUYERS. What will they do?

Again there are exceptions: (not trying to flame anyone or target at anyone) There are people who would always overpay just to:
1) Impress the girls; or
2) Stupidly thinking that they can "win" their hearts of the girls or
3) They can win the title of a good friend to the girl hoping for a freebie.

But these people will also likely to be the ones who would flamed others for overpaying just to cover up for their wrong doings. I had seen that happening many times not only in China.

You decide for yourself on the reasonable price but the true market price stays the same. Actually to me, a pussy today cost less than the pussy when I just came to China! Why? Because I was been ripped off before as a freebie!

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
03-19-08, 17:31
Hey Super Wanker:
No unfortunately I am NOT in Shanghai - damn! Would really love to get back there on a more regular basis - but hard to convince the wifey that I need to go up as far as Shanghai to play golf!!
Am headed back up to CP for a couple nights tomorrow - guess I'll just have to make do - huh?
When are you due back down here?
S* A*** *o*

Hi Ultimate Wanker:

Man... you are missing a lot for not coming to Shanghai! As you may know, its a different ball game here. Besides the high price pussies that the wankers pay for, there are a lot more choices of sources for Pussies.

As you know CP is nice for the fact that you want to fuck, you ask, pay and there will always be a pussy there for you. But too much of CP, makes me sick. One will lose the thrill in the whole point of our mongering hobby. For me, I love the challenge, I do not like too much of been just a big bully or just a customer; pay and you will get what you want. That's the difference between the Shanghai gang and the South China guys.

Having said that; that's the reason why I do not come down to CP as often as I did in the past. (twice a month of course besides the reason that I used the have a legitimate work in Tangxia that requires me to be there once a fortnight!) Somehow I lost the interest of doing the same thing, going to the same KTVs, BBSs or even eating at the same places in CP. I don't wish to go to CP now, I make the girls from CP come to visit me in Shanghai. I had done that a couple of times in the past 1 year and had also line-ups quite a few for the next 6 to 12 months. At least there is more thrill in making the CP girls come to you to be fucked up here in Shanghai then to making a trip down there just to fuck them; if you know what I mean?

What I like to do now is perhaps when I go down South next trip, I would like to explore some new places or new town for more adventure of finding the pussies.

The Shanghai gang; we get lots of thrill from finding, hitting, fucking and ditching the girls. We also at times like to do those plain old fuck and pay thing once in a while like what we do in good old CP. It's available in Shanghai at the same price as CP (150 - ST) if ones know where to find them. In fact, there is even a place like the Catacombs of CP which is as dirty, cheap (30 per pop) and with similar kind of girls in Shanghai. Only difference is, it is way out there!

So having say all that; the only pulls for me to go to CP now are: 1) To meet up with old friends, ISGs and faces; Mummies and girls. 2) for a change away from Shanghai bitches. 3) If there are some new discovery.

I am sure Blacklisted who goes down to CP once a year would agree on all of the above.

Enjoy!
AG

Pleasure Dude
03-19-08, 23:45
Hey shanghai gang,

Just returned home from my trip to China and I can't wait to head back that way again. I did not get a chance to try the prostrate massage in Shanghai but will try next time. So AG and Blacklisted, did you guys ever take those girls out from Baby Face? Do they look better in real life? I had a lot of fun that night and man was I drunk. I drank a lot that night because those girls kept on beating me at the dice games. Lastly, AG, I am still working on a way to expense that Heavenly KTV you told me about. Will keep you updated.

Pleasure Dude

Blacklisted
03-20-08, 06:30
Hi Ultimate Wanker:

The Shanghai gang; we get lots of thrill from finding, hitting, fucking and ditching the girls. We also at times like to do those plain old fuck and pay thing once in a while like what we do in good old CP.

I am sure Blacklisted who goes down to CP once a year would agree on all of the above.

Enjoy!

AGNot really man! I am an old romantic guy, as those who know me will announce with a look of contempt, but I do love playing with and chasing girls in the clubs a lot! Unfortunately I rarely pull them as freebies as I also like to get really, really fucked up - which does not bode well for 4am shagging.

I also hate ditching girls the most. I prefer to always keep in touch somehow and maybe meet up again one day for another trist!

Blacklisted
03-20-08, 06:34
Hey shanghai gang,

So AG and Blacklisted, did you guys ever take those girls out from Baby Face? Do they look better in real life? I had a lot of fun that night and man was I drunk.

Pleasure DudePD - Insult my bevy of wenches! I challenge thee to a joust!!!

Come on, there were only 3 of 7 that were sub par. You would have jumped the other 4 in a split second!!!

But really mate, we need to fine tune those hunting skills! This is not the US man!ATTACK!

By the way, hands off my Russian/Chinese girl! Goes for you too AG!

Ace Gallant
03-20-08, 14:39
Not really man! I am an old romantic guy, as those who know me will announce with a look of contempt, but I do love playing with and chasing girls in the clubs a lot! Unfortunately I rarely pull them as freebies as I also like to get really, really fucked up - which does not bode well for 4am shagging.

I also hate ditching girls the most. I prefer to always keep in touch somehow and maybe meet up again one day for another trist!

Oh yah... I forgot... Blacklisted is one of our disgrace in the Shanghai Gang, I remembered on one of his trip with only 2 nights there, he went to Maggies and took the same provider for LT on both nights! And also the case he got stuck with the same freebies for the past 18 months? We are soooooooo.... ashame of him..... : )

As for the girls at the clubs, I'd rarely... with exceptions of a hands full, pull freebie on the first meeting. I would however keep in touch with them and may be nail them on second or third date.

Nah... BL, Ditching the girl does not means you fully kick them out! Of course you do keep in touch with them but you just don't fuck them as often or not even fuck them anymore.... but who knows? One day... she might appears on your door steps and say...."I need to borrow your dick!" : ) (Remember No. 7 and No.16?)

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
03-20-08, 14:41
PD - Insult my bevy of wenches! I challenge thee to a joust!!!

Come on, there were only 3 of 7 that were sub par. You would have jumped the other 4 in a split second!!!

But really mate, we need to fine tune those hunting skills! This is not the US man!ATTACK!

By the way, hands off my Russian/Chinese girl! Goes for you too AG!


Man!!!!.... she's a pro!!!!

Remember that debate about falling in love with a Pro? Ok Ok... you are not in love but you are just romantic about it right??

Enjoy!
AG

Blacklisted
03-21-08, 06:51
Man!!!!.... she's a pro!!!!

Remember that rebate about falling in love with a Pro? Ok Ok... you are not in love but you are just romantic about it right??

Enjoy!

AGEven if she is a pro, she is damn tasty and I don't think she thinks that I think she is a pro! So hello freebie opp!

Ace Gallant
03-21-08, 07:21
Hey shanghai gang,

Just returned home from my trip to China and I can't wait to head back that way again. I did not get a chance to try the prostrate massage in Shanghai but will try next time. So AG and Blacklisted, did you guys ever take those girls out from Baby Face? Do they look better in real life? I had a lot of fun that night and man was I drunk. I drank a lot that night because those girls kept on beating me at the dice games. Lastly, AG, I am still working on a way to expense that Heavenly KTV you told me about. Will keep you updated.
Pleasure Dude

My Pleasure,

Too bad you did not have enough time to do the rest of the stuff and also you were tired from the flight up from the South. Perhaps in your next trip, you should try to do at least 3 days in Shanghai?
Man…. You better pick up some skills on those dam dice games… and BL is right… need to sharpen the hunting skills too.
We’ll wait for your god news for the Paradise KTV deal. I can be your driver and BL, I am sure can be your “potential client” whom you are “Entertaining”…..

And this goes out to all members that are reading this…..The Shanghai Gang is “recruiting”. As long as you are not reluctant to share your experience on the board, regardless of whether you are a Newbie or a Senior, we welcome you to join us in our Quest for pussies. We do not discriminate between races, culture or the place of your origins. Unless you have proven yourself to be a real wanker or asshole on the board; we would still welcome you to our group activities. Pleasure Dude is one of the many example of a newbie that was marked by some Seniors on the board as a “wanker” but we had taken him in and found that he is a true gentleman that is pretty cool when coming to the sharing of the same hobby among us.

Enjoy!
AG

Mock A Bee
03-22-08, 00:38
Relatively convenient in-town BBS Report
Location: On Datian Lu, just on the south side of Xin Zha Lu, 大田路,新閘路very close to the All Days 24hr convenience store at this intersection. It should be pretty obvious since it is the only BBS on the block. Look for the standard rotating green foot massage sign displayed outside.

Decor: Well, let's just say this is your standard BBS.

Cleanliness: A bit grotty, but I have seen worse. It is on par with most others.

Girls: 5 on duty today, usually only 2-3 on duty in the past. This time there were the curvy big D cup honeys plying their trade. Looks? They were maybe 4-5 out of 10.

Cost: 150rmb FS, 200rmb FS with BJ (covered or BB depending on the provider). Be firm on pricing or you will be hit with a laowai tax.

I picked the most petite on offer, who was dressed in a revealing red dress. Nice smallish D cup tits, though she was 29yo, so her tits were sagging after she took her bra off. She is Shanghainese pro, a bit rare it seems.

She was a bit curvy but not fat, and maybe 165cm. Though she was very shy to show herself naked, probably very insecure about the fact that she is showing a paunchy tummy and a bit of cellulite on the thighs and her tits are sagging now. Ok, this isn't a KTV girl.

I confirmed the price but she said 200rmb. No way, I said forget it. 150rmb. I only wanted FS, this place is not good for a BJ. I had to be firm with her, but she quickly figured out that I knew the pricing scheme here.

I mounted her doggie style so could punish her a bit for trying wrangle my extra 50rmb! I can usually hump doggie style until the pussy goes dry and sore.

I sheathed up (she brought two condoms with her), mounted her and used my left hand to stroke the shaft of her clit. She liked that a lot especially when I stroked her clitoral shaft really hard while thrusting (she had an incredibly hard clitoral shaft) and put my right thumb on her anus. I could tell she was getting off on this when she finally started to lubricate a lot. Her anus was starting to pulse and contract and she opened up enough to get my thumb inside (does this count as double penetration? hahaha!). A nice thing with this girl is, she doesn't do the fake moaning BS, just making that "uh, uh, uh, uh, uh..." sound as you thrust and stroke her clitoral shaft! ha!

Very unfortunately I shot my load sooner than I wanted, so I cleaned up and paid my dues.

MAB

Dark Man
03-22-08, 20:44
Will be in Shanghai this Tuesday. Will be there for several weeks. On my previous trip there I attempted.- among other things.- to use the old tried-and-tested 'indirect' Hong Kong method of the foot massage parlour (FMP). In Hong Kong, many FMPs are just fronts for full or partial sex. On my limited excursions in Shanghai last time around (I only managed to visit half a dozen or so FMPs), I found that most generally offered what they advertised. Foot massages. Which might seem obvious, but if you are a Hong Konger like me, we've been spoiled by the nice 'country girls' who offer above and beyond in HK's FMPs.

Anyway, on this trip to Shanghai I am interested in exploring off the beaten track.- those places beyond Nanjing Lu and other tourist traps. Iin Hong Kong for example, I did most of my mongering in Sai Wan Ho and other areas rarely frequented by foreigners. I'd like to do the same in Shanghai, find those places and girls which/who have not been ravaged by too many othr foreigners (if that is possible)

Anyone out there interested in meeting up in Shanghai from Tuesday 25 March onwards? During day or evening? I am a normal, decent-looking middle-aged Westerner. Woud be good to hook up with some like-minded 'mongerers' in search of girls beyond the tourist bars.

Let me know.

Dark Man
03-23-08, 03:48
I will be in Shanghai on Tuesday 25th March and will stay in the city for about 2 weeks (might make some side trips to Hangzhou, Suzhou to test the markets there).

Would like to know if any mongerers out there would be willing to hook up to explore the city. I am normal, decent-looking Westerner.

I am looking to explore those parts of town not normally frequented by toursits. Want to get off the beaten track and try to find massage parlours, BBS, foot massage places, bars. Anywhere to find some fresh young ladies.

Anybody out there willing to join me in the search? I am free day and night.

Ace Gallant
03-23-08, 11:03
Anyone out there interested in meeting up in Shanghai from Tuesday 25 March onwards? During day or evening? I am a normal, decent-looking middle-aged Westerner. Woud be good to hook up with some like-minded 'mongerers' in search of girls beyond the tourist bars.

Let me know.

Do you have the PM function? If you had paid for the Subscription you will have the PM function, that will be the best way to get in touch with the guys on this board. As you may know; the board disallow the posting of emails address and personal cell#.

Enjoy!
AG

Mock A Bee
03-25-08, 06:55
With regard to the hard crackdown on vice in Beijing, and the recent raid of Sammy_T's cocktail party, I would suggest using caution when mongering.

Posted by Intransit in the main Beijing board:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=722926&postcount=2680

Ace Gallant
03-26-08, 09:54
With regard to the hard crackdown on vice in Beijing, and the recent raid of Sammy_T's cocktail party, I would suggest using caution when mongering.

Posted by Intransit in the main Beijing board:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=722926&postcount=2680

Well as you know, it is all about face in China, too much publicity was give to the party by been on a public board. The police cannot allow this party to go on, otherwise, they are telling everyone that we control the city! My advice; if you have stuff like these, keep in private.

Exception: Poor Sammy was betrayed by someone else on the board???? This someone else might be a undercover?

Enjoy!
AG

Tony Soprano 1
03-26-08, 23:22
Ace,
This place came up in the Shanghai section but after I posted, I thought it would be better to place it here since you always seem to know about everything going on in Shanghai. Any news on this place since it opened?


Tong Ren??

The sauna across from Malone's used to be called "Happy Garden" awhile back. That closed. It had been closed for quite awhile and now I hear that a new place opened there in the same location. I have not visited there since it changed hands. Maybe the new place is set up different. I do not know the current name.

As Mock a Bee went a few years ago, it was the Happy Garden then. Mostly massage + a HJ for a high price. However, I went there a few times a couple years ago and I did score full service there once. I remember it was somewhat pricey at the time.

I will be back to Shanghai in a couple of weeks and will try checking it out to see what is available. If anybody else has visited since it re-opened, I would like to hear about it.
AG, if you are out there, you always have the latest info. Anything on this?

Cheers to all,
Tony

Ace Gallant
03-27-08, 01:52
Ace,
This place came up in the Shanghai section but after I posted, I thought it would be better to place it here since you always seem to know about everything going on in Shanghai. Any news on this place since it opened?


Tong Ren??

The sauna across from Malone's used to be called "Happy Garden" awhile back. That closed. It had been closed for quite awhile and now I hear that a new place opened there in the same location. I have not visited there since it changed hands. Maybe the new place is set up different. I do not know the current name.

As Mock a Bee went a few years ago, it was the Happy Garden then. Mostly massage + a HJ for a high price. However, I went there a few times a couple years ago and I did score full service there once. I remember it was somewhat pricey at the time.

I will be back to Shanghai in a couple of weeks and will try checking it out to see what is available. If anybody else has visited since it re-opened, I would like to hear about it.
AG, if you are out there, you always have the latest info. Anything on this?

Cheers to all,
Tony

TS

I was with MAB when we tried out the Sauna two years back. Basically back than we term the Sauna as a ripped off place. A new owner took over the place recently (after they closed for 6 months) renovated the place and re-opened. I had not try the new Sauna but had it listed as one of the place to be investigated. So, unfortunately I do not have the latest intelligence on this place yet.

I am back home in USA now and perhaps I will make a trip to try it out when I am back in Shanghai soon.

Enjoy!
AG

Zhuren
03-27-08, 06:44
Well as you know, it is all about face in China, too much publicity was give to the party by been on a public board. The police cannot allow this party to go on, otherwise, they are telling everyone that we control the city! My advice; if you have stuff like these, keep in private.

Exception: Poor Sammy was betrayed by someone else on the board???? This someone else might be a undercover?

Enjoy!
AG

Looks lit it was more of the former and a bit of the latter: Yes, the party had to be stopped, as anything that receives too much publicity will be stopped. There's a new police chief, and he signals to everybody that he means business.

The supposedly "clandestine" location had itself been the target of a raid days before, and was/is a known spot. Doubtlessly under supervision. According to eye witnesses, two girls, late arrivals to the party, were followed from Lido to the location. And a few minutes later, the raid was on. Good old policework, nothing fancy.

On the "undercover" note, people are receiving an increasing amount of PMs from one post wonders who ask them for locations and phone numbers. These attempts are pretty transparent. However, increased vigilance is called for.

Mock A Bee
03-28-08, 17:19
Report on The Clean House

Location: On Wuding Lu, just west of Changde Lu, on the NW corner of the intersection

This place looks kind of like a cross between a tea house and a restaurant with red lanterns, not your typical BBS. They also have a working bar for your enjoyment.

The goods: 3 girls on display, one papasan

Rating on the girls looks: maybe 5/10, average

Performance rating: did not sample the goods

The price: 300rmb FS

This place is characterized by having a bar, sofa area in the back and a washroom with a secret false door. Therein they have a few BBS style rooms to do the deed. One note, I noticed a fairly strong mildew smell, not sure from what. Probably due to poor air circulation and I am sure some kind of leak considering Chinese plumbing.

One girl is previously from the infamous "not to be mentioned Bar", and did most of the cajoling to get us to cough up some RMB to have some fun. One girl was just kind of quiet, and the third was yaking away on her mobile, though if I were in the mood, I would have taken this one.

Overall, to be honest, I would much rather go to the "bar not to be mentioned". It is by far cleaner and more well lighted since their recent remodeling, and a little cheaper.

MAB

Mock A Bee
03-28-08, 17:29
BBS Report on Wuding Lu, near Jiaozhou Lu, Just west of the Clean House on the North side of the street, elevated a bit above street-level a bit, so you walk up a half set of steps. There is a shoe repair shop a couple storefronts away.

This BBS is your typical BBS - obvious storefront, pink light, girls bored as hell sitting around doing nothing.

The goods: a roomful of girls for a change! maybe 8 girls (ok I was distracted staring at tits) and a papasan, definitely a decent selection. I would rate this place had a range of girls in the 4-6 out of 10 range, not bad with a good variety of body types.

Performance: did not sample, though I suspect decent

The price: 200rmb FS

Verdict, worth a try.

MAB

Ace Gallant
03-29-08, 10:29
BBS Report on Wuding Lu, near Jiaozhou Lu, Just west of the Clean House on the North side of the street, elevated a bit above street-level a bit, so you walk up a half set of steps. There is a shoe repair shop a couple storefronts away.

This BBS is your typical BBS - obvious storefront, pink light, girls bored as hell sitting around doing nothing.

The goods: a roomful of girls for a change! maybe 8 girls (ok I was distracted staring at tits) and a papasan, definitely a decent selection. I would rate this place had a range of girls in the 4-6 out of 10 range, not bad with a good variety of body types.

Performance: did not sample, though I suspect decent

The price: 200rmb FS

Verdict, worth a try.

MAB

You forgot to mentioned that part when you had spoken to me in English; I ask for the price; one of the girls told the Manager: "tell them 300!". However the manager guy, hesitated and told me 200 instead. I think mainly is because I spoke to him in Mandarin and I so dressed like a local. I reckon, if I go back there next time, I would be able to get a price of 150.

So; 150 might be the local price and another 150 is the Laowai tax! making it total of 300!

Enjoy!
AG

Mock A Bee
03-31-08, 02:33
You forgot to mentioned that part when you had spoken to me in English; I ask for the price; one of the girls told the Manager: "tell them 300!". However the manager guy, hesitated and told me 200 instead. I think mainly is because I spoke to him in Mandarin and I so dressed like a local. I reckon, if I go back there next time, I would be able to get a price of 150.

So; 150 might be the local price and another 150 is the Laowai tax! making it total of 300!

Enjoy!
AG

Yes, sorry about that!

I forgot to add that this place had a smart ass girl who openly told the papasan to charge 300rmb for FS! This is definitely double the local rate for FS.

I have written previously in this thread about a place on Datian Lu at Xin Zha Lu which charges 150RMB normal rate and 200RMB or more if they try to charge you a Wanker Tax.

So to clarify, the going rate should be 150-200rmb. Depending on how you look, your language skills, and if they think they can get away with charging you a Wanker Tax, they may or may not charge a higher rate.

Good Luck!
MAB

Albert Punter
03-31-08, 02:41
I had received many PM's from them in the past, and I have never replied as it sounded suspect to me.



...
On the "undercover" note, people are receiving an increasing amount of PMs from one post wonders who ask them for locations and phone numbers. These attempts are pretty transparent. However, increased vigilance is called for.

World Guy Sh
03-31-08, 15:46
You forgot to mentioned that part when you had spoken to me in English; I ask for the price; one of the girls told the Manager: "tell them 300!". However the manager guy, hesitated and told me 200 instead. I think mainly is because I spoke to him in Mandarin and I so dressed like a local. I reckon, if I go back there next time, I would be able to get a price of 150.

So; 150 might be the local price and another 150 is the Laowai tax! making it total of 300!

Enjoy!

AGThe one time I went in their the laowei tax was definately in force. No budging. They also wanted money upfront.

I walked. But was sometime ago.

Ace Gallant
03-31-08, 16:40
Report on The Clean House

Location: On Wuding Lu, just west of Changde Lu, on the NW corner of the intersection

This place looks kind of like a cross between a tea house and a restaurant with red lanterns, not your typical BBS. They also have a working bar for your enjoyment.

The goods: 3 girls on display, one papasan

Rating on the girls looks: maybe 5/10, average

Performance rating: did not sample the goods

The price: 300rmb FS

This place is characterized by having a bar, sofa area in the back and a washroom with a secret false door. Therein they have a few BBS style rooms to do the deed. One note, I noticed a fairly strong mildew smell, not sure from what. Probably due to poor air circulation and I am sure some kind of leak considering Chinese plumbing.

One girl is previously from the infamous "not to be mentioned Bar", and did most of the cajoling to get us to cough up some RMB to have some fun. One girl was just kind of quiet, and the third was yaking away on her mobile, though if I were in the mood, I would have taken this one.

Overall, to be honest, I would much rather go to the "bar not to be mentioned". It is by far cleaner and more well lighted since their recent remodeling, and a little cheaper.

MAB
actually this place was formerly known as the Clean Room. They were shutdown for 6 months and renovated twice ever since 2004. They use to service a lot of Japanese clients who goes to the Japanese KTV further west of the same road.

Today, they had a change of owner and the concept is exactly the same as the Bar that is not to be named.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
04-01-08, 08:19
The one time I went in their the laowei tax was definately in force. No budging. They also wanted money upfront.

I walked. But was sometime ago.

You need to hang out more often with the Shanghai Gang, even though all of us are Laowais, (Both White and Yellow) we have no problem getting off away from paying Laowai Tax.

One of the key is to say "The price is as usual? 150?" That would pass you off that you know the area or the BBS well or had been there before. This girls and managers will not remember you from the the large number of people walking in and out of their shops.

In fact, I did a girl from a BBS in Shanghai recently, at first, both the girl and myself did not remember each other but after when everything is over she suddenly exclaimed: "I remember you now! the last time you took me some time back, you came with 2 Laowai! and you were translating for them, you also took so long to cummed that I nearly had a locked jaw! You friends finished and waited for you for over 30 mins!" Only than did I remembered that I did her before and I was with some newbies from ISG.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
04-01-08, 16:46
Just adding a backdated report.

Found a HJ / BJ place along XiKang Lu An Yan Lu. From the outside it looks like a legit foot massage. But when I passed it, I saw a row of 8 girls dress in uniforms sitting on a long couch watching TV. So I walked right in and I was right; Their face lighted up with a artificial smile. It was early Monday evening and I guess there were no customers. Immediately they ask of I want to "Qiao Bei" So I asked Da, Zhong, Xiao Bei? They told me only Xiao Bei @ 40 and no Zhong or Da Bei. I chose a small size girl from JiangSu and she lead me into the back of the shop to this tiny room with one couch. I seated down and she started taking off my shoes, socks and ask to remove my Jeans. Strangely she left my underpants on. Started giving me a foot massage!!! and slowly work herself up to my thighs. Before long, her hand was under my underpants stoking my dick. She came up to my ears and asked me softly if I wanted Zhong Bei which will cost me another 50 which I agreed. She than told me not to tell the Boss know that she gave me BJ and have me pay her the extra 50 directly. HJ, BJ follows and 45mins later, I popped CIM which she immediately split out into some tissue paper. She start cleaning up my dick with Wet Tissues. She started putting my socks on and handing my Pants to me. While leaving the room she whisper to me again that if I wanted Da Bei, she can meet me in one of the room in the hotel next door and it will cost me 150 for ST and 350 for LT excluding the room price of 120 per night. However I have to wait till she get off work at 2am. It kind of odd for her to offer FS in a hotel that is so near to her work place when she is not suppose to even do a BJ in the shop so I assumed that the Boss does not bother if they make extras outside their work hours. The hotel next door is named Wen Li Bing Guan (Attached is a Photo of the signboard.)

Just to recap for non-Chinese speakers:

Xiao Bei 小背 = HJ
Zhong Bei 中背 = BJ
Da Bei 打背 = FS

Enjoy!
AG

Lao Ma
04-03-08, 05:40
went to the pub last night, out of boredom.

there are a couple new girls there (or maybe they aren't new, but i go there so infrequently i don't know them), but nothing to write home about. i went with one of two available - she looked the younger and slimmer of the 2. she was just horrible - one of the worst p2p experiences of my life. she didn't have a clue, had a shitty attitude, and instead of the usual wi****wn of my johnson, she sprayed some stuff all over it and wiped it off. i said fuc# this, and started to get dressed. she ran out and another girl came in. larger, saggy tits, a little worn down overall, but she got me to bust a nut. nice attitude, anyway. for some of you guys who speak better chinese than i do, i was wondering why the manager consistantly brings in mediocre girls - there must be 15 bbs's within a 10 minute walk with better talent.

anyway, he's a nice guy, and when i was leaving i saw him sketching out a floorplan - i asked him about it, and he said it was for his other bar that is opening next week at nanjing xi lu and wulumuxi lu.

not sure i really want to go back there. it's clean, sure, but i just don't see the quality there to make me want to spend money

Mock A Bee
04-03-08, 07:41
went to the pub last night, out of boredom.

there are a couple new girls there (or maybe they aren't new, but i go there so infrequently i don't know them), but nothing to write home about. i went with one of two available - she looked the younger and slimmer of the 2. she was just horrible - one of the worst p2p experiences of my life. she didn't have a clue, had a shitty attitude, and instead of the usual wi****wn of my johnson, she sprayed some stuff all over it and wiped it off. i said fuc# this, and started to get dressed. she ran out and another girl came in. larger, saggy tits, a little worn down overall, but she got me to bust a nut. nice attitude, anyway. for some of you guys who speak better chinese than i do, i was wondering why the manager consistantly brings in mediocre girls - there must be 15 bbs's within a 10 minute walk with better talent.

anyway, he's a nice guy, and when i was leaving i saw him sketching out a floorplan - i asked him about it, and he said it was for his other bar that is opening next week at nanjing xi lu and wulumuxi lu.

not sure i really want to go back there. it's clean, sure, but i just don't see the quality there to make me want to spend money

i agree, "the pub" can be a quite variable as far as service goes and wish the owner had consistently better talent.

but then again, this isn't the only place with variable service, however, yes, it would be nice to have a higher standard of service.

the pub can be hit or miss.

mab

Ace Gallant
04-04-08, 06:32
I agree, "The Pub" can be a quite variable as far as service goes and wish the owner had consistently better talent.

But then again, this isn't the only place with variable service, however, yes, it would be nice to have a higher standard of service.

The Pub can be hit or miss.

MAB

Something that you might want to take note, three of the best long serving girls in the Pub had moved and worked in the Cleaned room 'bar' you had posted about a couple days ago. With the best girls gone, I supposed they had lost their trainers? and that's why the new girls gave bad service?

Enjoy!
AG

Phenyl
04-06-08, 21:09
had a similar experience recently. on entering, there were three girls sitting on the couches in front. but older and not-too-appealing looking. wen wen, with her great enthusiasm, was not among them. as one of them was about to lead me back, a young cutie comes out, so i changed and went with her. she didn't look too happy. first warning sign.

we got back to the room and she wanted 400 rmb. i told her no, that's not the price. she said 300 rmb. she goes out to get her kit, comes back and completely disrobes, slides a condom on and starts in on one of the worst bjs i've ever experienced.complaining, rubbing her jaw, etc.

this goes on for a few minutes. constant complaining. finally i said enough, yanked the condom off, got dressed and went to the front. talked to the owner. wanted to know what the problem was. the problem? trying to get a bj from the famous bj pub from a girl that obviously hates having a dick in her mouth! this then turned into a pricing discussion with the boss guy of what i should pay! this raised the disgusts level further. halfway through, he says i can take another girl if i don't like this one, but by that time i was thoroughly pissed with this place, and told him he needs to train his girls how to give a proper bj.

i would like to say that i left without paying anything, but this didn't seem prudent. so i gave him a red mao, and then went off the shanghai hotel. standard experience there. that relieved the stress.

of course service can be variable anywhere, but in the past most of the reports about the pub, and my own experiences there, were positive. anyone else have a report from there. good or bad?

cheers


went to the pub last night, out of boredom.

there are a couple new girls there (or maybe they aren't new, but i go there so infrequently i don't know them), but nothing to write home about. i went with one of two available - she looked the younger and slimmer of the 2. she was just horrible - one of the worst p2p experiences of my life. she didn't have a clue, had a shitty attitude, and instead of the usual wi****wn of my johnson, she sprayed some stuff all over it and wiped it off. i said fuc# this, and started to get dressed.

Eyebrow777
04-07-08, 21:24
Just adding a backdated report.
Just to recap for non-Chinese speakers:

Xiao Bei 小背 = HJ
Zhong Bei 中背 = BJ
Da Bei 打背 = FS

Enjoy!
AGThanks AG. For a newbie learning the language, this is great and much appreciated.

For those who might be interested, here are the tonal markings, taken from a website that converts Hanzi to pinyin.. can't verify accuracy .. don't know what to make of the variations..

小 背 - xiǎo bēi / bči
中 背 - zhōng / zhňng bēi / bči
打 背 - dá / dǎ bēi / bči

EB

Ace Gallant
04-10-08, 06:26
Thanks AG. For a newbie learning the language, this is great and much appreciated.

For those who might be interested, here are the tonal markings, taken from a website that converts Hanzi to pinyin.. can't verify accuracy .. don't know what to make of the variations..

小 背 - xiǎo bēi / bči
中 背 - zhōng / zhňng bēi / bči
打 背 - dá / dǎ bēi / bči

EB

Ok, the four variations goes like this:

1st variation symbolized by the sign: " - " you would pronounce with a flat sound.

2nd variation symbolized by the sign: " / " you would pronounce with a Ascending sound.

3rd variation symbolized by the sign: " v " you would pronounce starting with a descending followed by a ascending sound.

4th variation symbolized by the sign: " \ "you would pronounce with a Straight and sharp descending sound.

Of course there is the special fifth sound symbolized by a small circle on top of vowels. You would pronounce it with a light sound like the "th" in Fifth.

BTW: I made a mistake, it should be 大背 and not 打 背

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
04-17-08, 18:51
The Shanghai Gang Welcome new member; "World Guy Sh".

After a few meetings with different members of the gang, we decided to grant World Guy Sh the rights to a membership of the Shanghai Gang and he is totally accept to monger with us.

A gentleman as he can get, had a a nice evening with him at Babyface, although we did not do any thing adventurous but I am sure we had fun and will be out hunting together again soon. Unfortunately, this stupid AG gt himself in trouble with a curfew from his new GF whom he had just met on Monday (Man.... what the hell am I doing ???? 3 days and I get a Curfew already???) and Blacklisted got himself stuck to chasing a SHB .... we totally ignore the semi-Russian/semi-Chinese girl (Whom I said is a wh**e)... and so we left at 1am leaving WGS going home empty handed. Man....!! that's no way to treat a new member of the gang???

But not to worry, more party coming up soon for him.!

Shit!!! new GF calling....be right back soon!
Enjoy!
AG

World Guy Sh
04-19-08, 16:51
The Shanghai Gang Welcome new member; "World Guy Sh".

After a few meetings with different members of the gang, we decided to grant World Guy Sh the rights to a membership of the Shanghai Gang and he is totally accept to monger with us.

A gentleman as he can get, had a a nice evening with him at Babyface, although we did not do any thing adventurous but I am sure we had fun and will be out hunting together again soon. Unfortunately, this stupid AG gt himself in trouble with a curfew from his new GF whom he had just met on Monday (Man.... what the hell am I doing ???? 3 days and I get a Curfew already???) and Blacklisted got himself stuck to chasing a SHB .... we totally ignore the semi-Russian/semi-Chinese girl (Whom I said is a wh**e)... and so we left at 1am leaving WGS going home empty handed. Man....!! that's no way to treat a new member of the gang???

But not to worry, more party coming up soon for him.!

Shit!!! new GF calling....be right back soon!

Enjoy!

AGI think a fun evening was had by all. Thanks to BL for dinner and all for a warm welcome!

Missed the semi Chinese Russian. BL, she may be an SHB but she's a cute one. Just make sure you don't end up with her bag!

Now all I need to do is perfect (perhaps learn) those techniques . . . and covert a few numbers :)

Looking forward to more partying in the near future!

WGS

NB - took a slightly long route home. The bed wasn't entirely cold . . .

Ace Gallant
04-28-08, 10:32
Yesterday (Sunday) I had lunch with my Sauna turn freebie girl from the "Japanese" sauna at Ulumiqi Lu / Beijing Lu, Japanese Name: はらじゅく, Chinese Name: 原宿. Man...! been there so many times but still forgot the English name!!! The Japanese name is pronounced as Harajuku so I guess that must be the English name?

Suddenly my freebie jumped and said "Hey, you want to help me train a new girl from Sichuan?" She told me that this girl is a her friend's friend twice removed. She had arrived in Shanghai only on Sat and will start to work in the sauna at 1pm. The trainer in the Sauna had left and since the new girl is her friend, the manager told her to train her! My girl is pretty new as she had only started work in March!

After a little convincing, I decided to check the deal out. I headed to the sauna while my girl (No. 10) headed to work via the staff entrance. Later in my Sauna room I was met by No. 10 and the new girl. Immediately No. 10 had me laying on the Shower bed and went through the whole procedures with the new girl, after she finished she washed me off but asked the new girl to go through the full set of procedures all over again! No. 10 had me telling the new girl how I feel and whether if she is doing the right thing.

Out of the shower, on the bed, and the same thing happens, Tongue bath, BJ... etc etc I get it from the No. 10 once and another time from the new girl! Now comes the funny part.... the fucking....So, I get to fuck No. 10 first and than new girl right? Wrong! No. 10 had the new girl position herself and had me fucking her first! At some point in time, she started sounding like the director of porn movie! The new girl was fucking tight! She said that she lost it only a couple weeks ago and still felt the pain because she hadn't fuck that much. (Yah... why am I soooooo "lucky"?) After 30 mins No. 10 started saying "hey! hurry up or else you do not get to fuck me because 2 hours almost up!" having heard that, I decide to let my first pop go.

Took a 5 mins rest and was fucking No. 10.... pretty cute for her to say to the new girl... "While you are been fucked... making moaning sounds... as if you are enjoying it... and your customer will cum faster!" after another 20mins just before the front desk called for the time limit, I let go of my second pop.

Details:

My Girl.... No. 10
The rest of the details: RTFF man!!

The new girl..... No number yet... New girls will only be assigned No. 0 (Zero)
Place of origin: Sichuan
Body: Chubby
Height: 1.65 (Pretty tall actually)
Looks: 5/10
Age: 18
Others: Pussy almost bald! Tits pink color and very nice!

Total Price paid: 1300 for the doubles over two hours! I talked to the Manager as the original price was 1400 for 80 mins, but he gave me the extra 40 mins and 100 RMB discount due to the fact that I was the trainer. I told the manager... the next time he have some new girls to train, please do call me.

Enjoy!
AG

BTW: Why call No.10 freebie is because I fucked her outside her work hours for free a few times already. I think she wants to be my GF!

Eaglestar
04-28-08, 12:43
the fucking....So, I get to fuck No. 10 first and than new girl right? Wrong! No. 10 had the new girl position herself and had me fucking her first! At some point in time, she started sounding like the director of porn movie! The new girl was fucking tight! She said that she lost it only a couple weeks ago and still felt the pain because she hadn't fuck that much. (Yah... why am I soooooo "lucky"?) After 30 mins No. 10 started saying "hey! hurry up or else you do not get to fuck me because 2 hours almost up!" having heard that, I decide to let my first pop go.

Took a 5 mins rest and was fucking No. 10.... pretty cute for her to say to the new girl... "While you are been fucked... making moaning sounds... as if you are enjoying it... and your customer will cum faster!" after another 20mins just before the front desk called for the time limit, I let go of my second pop.

Details:

My Girl.... No. 10
The rest of the details: RTFF man!!

Total Price paid: 1300 for the doubles over two hours! I talked to the Manager as the original price was 1400 for 80 mins, but he gave me the extra 40 mins and 100 RMB discount due to the fact that I was the trainer. I told the manager... the next time he have some new girls to train, please do call me.

Enjoy!
AG

BTW: Why call No.10 freebie is because I fucked her outside her work hours for free a few times already. I think she wants to be my GF!

You are not ABC, You are Irish! ABCs are not that lucky!

Ha ha ha hell of a day AG

ES

Ace Gallant
04-28-08, 14:43
You are not ABC, You are Irish! ABCs are not that lucky!

Ha ha ha hell of a day AG

ES

Oh Oh! be careful on that.... otherwise our dear Santa (on the board) may get offended and not give you toys for Christmas! He's Irish you know???

Enjoy!
AG

Pleasure Dude
04-28-08, 21:49
Hey AG,

Sorry didn't get a chance to fly up to shanghai on my last trip but will definitely come up again in the short future. Is #10 the new girl you picked at that japanese sauna you took me to back in march? Lucky you... They should have paid you instead for the training.

PD

Yesterday (Sunday) I had lunch with my Sauna turn freebie girl from the "Japanese" sauna at Ulumiqi Lu / Beijing Lu, Japanese Name: はらじゅく, Chinese Name: 原宿. Man...! been there so many times but still forgot the English name!!! The Japanese name is pronounced as Harajuku so I guess that must be the English name?

Suddenly my freebie jumped and said "Hey, you want to help me train a new girl from Sichuan?" She told me that this girl is a her friend's friend twice removed. She had arrived in Shanghai only on Sat and will start to work in the sauna at 1pm. The trainer in the Sauna had left and since the new girl is her friend, the manager told her to train her! My girl is pretty new as she had only started work in March!

After a little convincing, I decided to check the deal out. I headed to the sauna while my girl (No. 10) headed to work via the staff entrance. Later in my Sauna room I was met by No. 10 and the new girl. Immediately No. 10 had me laying on the Shower bed and went through the whole procedures with the new girl, after she finished she washed me off but asked the new girl to go through the full set of procedures all over again! No. 10 had me telling the new girl how I feel and whether if she is doing the right thing.

Out of the shower, on the bed, and the same thing happens, Tongue bath, BJ... etc etc I get it from the No. 10 once and another time from the new girl! Now comes the funny part.... the fucking....So, I get to fuck No. 10 first and than new girl right? Wrong! No. 10 had the new girl position herself and had me fucking her first! At some point in time, she started sounding like the director of porn movie! The new girl was fucking tight! She said that she lost it only a couple weeks ago and still felt the pain because she hadn't fuck that much. (Yah... why am I soooooo "lucky"?) After 30 mins No. 10 started saying "hey! hurry up or else you do not get to fuck me because 2 hours almost up!" having heard that, I decide to let my first pop go.

Took a 5 mins rest and was fucking No. 10.... pretty cute for her to say to the new girl... "While you are been fucked... making moaning sounds... as if you are enjoying it... and your customer will cum faster!" after another 20mins just before the front desk called for the time limit, I let go of my second pop.

Details:

My Girl.... No. 10
The rest of the details: RTFF man!!

The new girl..... No number yet... New girls will only be assigned No. 0 (Zero)
Place of origin: Sichuan
Body: Chubby
Height: 1.65 (Pretty tall actually)
Looks: 5/10
Age: 18
Others: Pussy almost bald! Tits pink color and very nice!

Total Price paid: 1300 for the doubles over two hours! I talked to the Manager as the original price was 1400 for 80 mins, but he gave me the extra 40 mins and 100 RMB discount due to the fact that I was the trainer. I told the manager... the next time he have some new girls to train, please do call me.

Enjoy!
AG

BTW: Why call No.10 freebie is because I fucked her outside her work hours for free a few times already. I think she wants to be my GF!

Ace Gallant
04-29-08, 00:50
Hey AG,

Sorry didn't get a chance to fly up to shanghai on my last trip but will definitely come up again in the short future. Is #10 the new girl you picked at that japanese sauna you took me to back in march? Lucky you... They should have paid you instead for the training.

PD

Yes Dude, that's the little Sichuan girl I took when I introduce you and MAB to that Sauna.

Enjoy!
AG

Yuri B
05-05-08, 11:30
Guys,

thank you for the data – it is invaluable. This is my attempt to provide some too. There will be two posting. As I have very uncommon desires and fears (probably weird by most readers), I rely on AG to edit my edition to make it palatable for everyone.

This is the first post of my perception. The second post will be about the actual places, I did not mention in this post I visited – it will be much smaller because I did not visited as many places as many respected members of this forum.

1. If you are looking for cheap FS/HJ/BBBJ – nothing beats BBS. There are plenty of them almost on any street. Price is usually 150-300 RMB, Chinese is not needed (but of course helps) and unless you read this forum it is hit-or-miss experience.

2. If you are looking for a rich FS/HJ/BJ – nothing beats Saunas. I do not think there is any place on earth, where you can get anything like this. It is as safe as it can be imagined and is so rich that most people are not sophisticated enough to fantasize unless you already have been in one… Be ready though – for me for the first time it completely overran my senses! Read the following report I liked on this forum: 734396

*** things in the middle (not that rich and not that cheap) are outcall massage places. Examples are:

http://www.rosemassage.cn/massage.asp
http://www.elegantmassage.cn/masseuse.html
http://www.happyangelgirls.cn/contact.html

Do not expect that the pictures are true or recently taken, but expect to describe your preference and get provided with the most efforts by the manager.

Negotiating the price is an absolute must, and be ready for ”no” answer, so you call to the next one – there are very many to call. The best location where the services are advertised is the local newspapers’ media advertisement section. Usually if you do not like the girl, you will be asked just to pay for the taxi in both directions. Unless you are willing to give 100 RMB in that unfortunate case, please ask on the phone so the girl shows a receipt.

3. If you are looking for a companionship (may or may not include sex), I found 3 options:

3.1 Escort/Guide websites (some of them are bellow):

http://www.china-services-limited.com/servlet/the-Translators-fdsh-Tour-Guides-fdsh-Personal-Assistants-cln-Shanghai/Categories

http://classifieds.urbanatomy.com/?regid=GE21-CF22-TT43-AA21&clscaid=88&

http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/shanghai/search/?search=escort&ct=c

http://shanghai.craigslist.com.cn/search/ers/?query=w4m

From my experience this is the cheapest and richest way. The caveat is that it requires more personal involvement and usually over the phone. In case you do not speak Chinese (as I do not), it is much easier to TXT, than talk.

Two notes: 1) do not try to e-mail – most do not return e-mail, but text message or call their cell. 2) do not expect the picture and description to be true – it usually not true.

3.2 KTVs – usually good, but very expensive. I found a couple of cheap once, but the quality of the girls meant “you got what you paid for.” I also found one, they did not let me to come in, because I am not Japanese (found that ironic) – note “not Japanese” vs. “not Asian” (though I am not Asian either, but I asked and they qualified, that “This is ONLY for Japanese”).

3.3 Organized talking girls – they can actually speak English and be taken out. The place I visited (based on 726364) and learned well is bar on 35th floor of Galaxy Hotel, Shanghai

888 Zhong Shan Xi Road, Shanghai, China)

银河宾馆
中山西路888号(近新华路)
Based on

The goal here is to seat and talk to a girl or a number of girls, pay for them (200-300 RMBs one hour = 200, more than one hour = 300) and make a decisions who/if you want to take with you. PM me if you want detail information and contact, which may make your life happier and valet fuller, but in any case expect to pay 600RMBs for the girl, tips, and drinks just for a chat. Then you should be able to take the girl of your choice out for 1000RMB 3 hours and 1200 RMB for the night. And do NOT expect rich sexual experience to even close to a sauna level. But you may expect a very pleasant companion experience for a very smart lady you may do.

I found it is impossible to find companionship via individual girls’ bars, because girls there are professionals and do all they can in order to increase profit. That means do the deed and get rid of you to gain other customers or make you pay for the expensive drinks (from the drinks they get a cut one way or another). Rarely they expect to get a return customer, so they do not try to please you too much (of course there are exceptions), and there is no boss to complain afterwards.

Finally there is an increasing and alarming trend in China of STDs. I found that many girls have no clue how diseases are passed. They either are overprotected (in SHS they dressed my finger in a condom, I did not argue, but was amused), or do CIM or DFK and think it is safe. I wish someone would explain to them 2 simple facts. 1) bacteria is passed with liquids (all: semen, saliva, and blood, but not sweat) and can not live without a liquid. The funny implication here is that fan-drying is as safe as washing with soap. 2) Bacteria gets to a body mostly via mucosa and skin cuts. That includes mouth, nose, and other beautiful wholes, and they can be passed by hands (not from hands), not necessarily directly.

And finally most amazing discovery for me was that if you want just to caudle and finger, but do not want any liquid exchange, sauna was still the absolute best – girls will satisfy any requests of yours – I just wish they can speak languages I understand, even if a little.

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Yuri B
05-06-08, 13:26
So here it is my second update of the places I visited this trip. As my trip is ending tomorrow and I already spent my budget, it is safe to publish the report now.

So I came on May 3rd, and decided (as I was tired after 14 hour trip) just to have a nice relaxing conversation with a lady 726364 so I could also enjoy some cuddling as described in 730428 in Galaxy Hotel. First everything went according to the plan. JJ showed up and introduced me to the routine. She described that talking to the girl would cost 200 RMB before 1 hour and 300 RMB up to 3 hours (taking the girl to your hotel later costs 1200 ST 1500 LT minus what I paid for talking; so it I talk for 1 hour then took her out ST will be 1000RMB) plus tip to her = 100 RMB, drinks, and tips to the waiter at least 20 (so it was 20). Then she said that the May holidays had not finished and most of the girls were away, so she said that only 5 were available at the time and offered more discounts asking not to mention them to other customers, so I won’t. Otherwise, JJ is terrific. She listens attentively, works to satisfy your needs and does not try to take advantage. I have her coordinates.- PM me if needed. So no luck the first day – lady did not speak well, and refuse to any cuddling saying that other people were around.

Sunday. 12 PM I am in the renovated Yu Ping 734396 sauna. Normal routine: shower, waiting (relaxing room) before show room. George (owner of the establishment) comes to my waiting room, introduces himself, and once realizes I am there for the first time, George asks how I found out about the place – you just know he is a good businessmen: he will do what ever it takes for you to come again and again.- feels you are in the right place. Picked up 883. The bed equipped with RR and more – has TV with Porno Shows. Clean, beautiful; girl is trained to listen and serve the customers – fabulous. After 883 calls on the phone, and I am asked how it was. I am leaving, and George comes again asking about the experience and what needs to get improved in my opinion. Damage 680 (before 8PM) including one beer. The is a dream, it is not real!

But I am on the quest to learn, so I walk for 2 hours to get to Shanghai Sauna 687002 – I needed to get re-energized. Many more girls (highest quality) than in Yu Ping, the similar wonderful service, but 800/900 (before/after 8 PM) (for 80 minutes vs. 60 though) and no interest by the management. To me knowing the manager and have connection is very important, so despite more variety, Yu Ping wins! The girl I took was 31 – for me of a model quality willing to do anything to please me: I even taught her acrobatics a little on that bed (forward and backward flip) – it is so cool when a naked girl is doing this! Damage: 900 RMB.

Call JJ if I should come to see if an intelligent girl showed up. JJ advised to come in. Pick up a girl – amazing – solves all the puzzles – IQ of a scientist. Paid a very bargained price as agreed 100 tip to JJ, 20 tip to the server, 300 drinks, and then later 1500 to the girl (her name has a majestic quality – forces me to forget it no matter how many times she repeated it to me) for the whole night (until 8 AM). So we were walking on the beautiful and romantic roads of Shanghai for 2-3 hours and talking and enjoying (at least I did) the company of each other. She keeps her body close to mine, she attends every thought and/or desire. Finally we got to my hotel and spent a very good time together before I got taxi for her and accompanied her home.

Monday (May 5th) – it is time for the last portion of investigation – checking the bars and WGs and checking if I still have my stamina. So went as the forum suggested in 731094. Go from bar to bar, play stupid games, see unattractive ladies, getting stupefied and bored. All women want a quick injection of cash, they do not care about me and try to manipulate me, but even this they do with some kind of ignorance. Waste of time (see the end of my post at 739226).

So it is time for excitement – I did what the forum warned many times (not to do). Agreeing on the offer of a suspicious woman CoCo (in her 40s) to introduce me to girls who would strip and do HJ, BBBJ, even FS for the price of 200RMBs in the private facility. I anticipate rejuvenation of my senses. We are coming to a nice hotel Jian Gong Jin Jiang Hotel located on 691 Jian Guo Road (West). And going to the 7th floor. I started getting disappointed: there is no way it is not a classy establishment. Going to the 7th floor – nice looking KTV.coming to a room talking to mama-san and me explaining to her that all I wanted was to spend no more than 500 RMB. She says okay, but maybe I will have to pay for the drinks, if I allow the girl to order in addition. I say okay. Selection of the girls is impressive (not as good or young as in saunas, but classy dressed). Picked up one face 8, body 9. Mama-san leaves, the girl rushes to my dick screaming HJ, HJ. My dick became of the smallest size from the moment it learned it could change sizes. I am saying no, I was promised you would dance and strip. It turns out she did not know how to dance. Okay, so I taught her. In 5 minutes she was exhausted. Almost crying asks to do HJ – maybe because these are the only 2 words she can speak in English – but I am not interested. I am showing her signs that I want to see her body. She shows me breasts one-by-one, does not want to strip, and when I insist to see her P, she shows and it turns out she has her periods. I stopped the charade and ask to let me out. Mama-san comes in and as we agreed only asks for 500. I feel I am getting down. Then she says that I had to pay for the drinks and manager will come with the bill. The girl had 2 drinks for 98 each, so it is okay. Then manager comes with a body-guard and a bill – I already know this forum would not let me down! Open the bill and it is 1271RMBs, including 4 drinks, Desert, Room charge, and 15% service fees. 90 minutes negotiating, when I was acting and the manager showing me men with muscles, I finally paid 300RMB feeling seriously intense and reminded my youth, though not as much as 22 years ago when I was running away from the Soviet border patrol (they did have live ammo though), but made up for the expense and the trouble.

But please be warn – this is not for everybody! If anyone would like to experience this, please assess your stress capabilities. Though I do not think they will physically harm you or call LE, but it can happen, so you need to be ready and think of a back up plan (phone call from a friend or something) before getting into this – it can be dangerous, I would imagine; otherwise, no fun.

Conclusions are in 739226. Thank you all and will be back in 6 months or so.

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Ace Gallant
05-11-08, 09:37
This post is meant to warn members of the dangers of getting "Addicted" to going for massages at this well publicized massage place.

It had been 6 months that I heard from a couple of friends that "They seems to gotten addicted to this "great prostate massage" at this place. Recently, two months ago; my suspicion grew till that I started an investigation into whether the prostate massage is proper. There are several suspicions in my mind;

1) Prostate massage girls are seductive and thus, that keeps us going back for more.
2) The girls there always gave you the ideal that they can always offer more; like; they do house calls etc. (well apart from the fact that I did managed to made two of them my freebies over a period of 1 year).
3) Some incentives or discounts they offered on been a VIP members attracts you to go back.

There are a lot more than the just above possibilities that I had thought through. But little did I suspected recently it struck me; the "essential oil" that they are using for the massage is the main culprit. One month ago, I had purchased a bottle of "Essential Oil" from them. Those are the same oil they had used for the HJ that perform for you at this joint. Initially they are reluctant to sell it to me but after a little reasoning saying that I wanted my girlfriend to do the HJ for me at home, they sold it to me.

I took this bottle to my company's laboratory for a content analysis report and the results turn up shocking. Translating from the medical terms explained to me by the lab; I'll put it in lay men's terms: The oil not only contains Stimulant (this is expected), it also contains oils that is addictive. Long term application may cause our body to adapt to the requirements for us to apply this "Oil" on a regular basis. The effect of not applying this "oil", once addicted; may be lost of hair and extra sensitiveness of the Frenulum and Penis Glans (thus, premature Ejaculation).

I'd called up and confronted my two previous freebies (No. 16 and No. 28) whom used to work in that massage joint, and both of them confessed that the MP did told them that they had added these content into the massage oil so that the customer will come back for more. Upon asking both of them why didn't they told me, No. 16 said; "That is why I told you not to go back to the MP and rather you let me satisfy your needs in your own home". No. 28 said; "I did told you that the oil is not good for our own health and had hinted to you that I would rather you save your strength to fuck me after I get off work, didn't I also told you not the come and see me too often as over doing it is also not good for your health?"

Disclaimer: The above are just information I had obtained from the research I had done but does not necessary represent that I am asking members here not to patronize this joint. To go or not to go, you make the call.

Enjoy!
AG

Traveler Greg
05-13-08, 00:54
Picked up 883. The bed equipped with RR and more – has TV with Porno Shows. Clean, beautiful; girl is trained to listen and serve the customers – fabulous. After 883 calls on the phone, and I am asked how it was.Yuri B., I also picked up 883 -- she seemed to be the fresh one (tight), but how did you talk to her -- she seemed to speak no English? (or maybe she just pretended with me??)

I agree that Yu Ping (I did not know it was called that way, I thought it was 999) is well worth 680.

FernandoAlonso
05-13-08, 20:51
Ace,,

I love you, but why did you not wait to post this on 04/01. Or better give us the chemical hint how to drie this oil, so we get white powder. SMILE

I did enjoy this post!

Ace Gallant
05-14-08, 06:34
Ace,,

I love you, but why did you not wait to post this on 04/01. Or better give us the chemical hint how to drie this oil, so we get white powder. SMILE

I did enjoy this post!

As I had posted; you can chose not to believe and keep on going back, which I totally gain or lost nothing. But the test done in the lab are for real. Don't forget, I use to own a Pharmaceutical company and has access to this facility.

Sometimes I wonder why do I need to spend the time, money, go through the trouble of finding out and time to write up this information just to be flamed by others?

BTW: I am pretty serious about that post and it is NOT a meant to be a joke!

Enjoy!
AG

Laowang
05-14-08, 09:46
Dear Mr. Ace,

10 years in china for my side, the job you did on analyses about massage oil is really something. I never though about it. As for food, nobody should ever joke with the fucking stuff poisoning us slowly in this country where I choose to live. When you see all that creams they are selling to enjoy more, all the stuff they can put on condoms and when you know the control and safety level here you not joke. So first of all, thanks for initiative. Second, if you got a lab on hand, everybody should look arround to find sexual additive to send you. Third, I'll make sure to buy enough massage oil in Bangkok next week!

Bring your own oil!

FernandoAlonso
05-14-08, 11:59
As I had posted; you can chose not to believe and keep on going back, which I totally gain or lost nothing. But the test done in the lab are for real. Don't forget, I use to own a Pharmaceutical company and has access to this facility.

Sometimes I wonder why do I need to spend the time, money, go through the trouble of finding out and time to write up this information just to be flamed by others?

BTW: I am pretty serious about this post and this is NOT a meant to be a joke!

Enjoy!

AGNot meant as flaming but giving you a compliment, sorry for my limited pharmacological knowledge, I always thought dependency is related to central nervous stimulation (coffee, chocolate, the usual other stuff). What you describe sound like peripheral vegetative effects that I could not relate to dependency or hairloss, impotence etc.

Enlighten me, which oils do this?

FA

Ace Gallant
05-15-08, 06:55
Not meant as flaming but giving you a compliment, sorry for my limited pharmacological knowledge, I always thought dependency is related to central nervous stimulation (coffee, chocolate, the usual other stuff). What you describe sound like peripheral vegetative effects that I could not relate to dependency or hairloss, impotence etc.

Enlighten me, which oils do this?

FA

Below is the scary part:

Abstract from the Laboratory Analysis report.

Traces of following elements were found in specimen tested:

Artemisio absinthium - Commonly known as Wormwood

Usage: Digestive tonic, to promote menstruation.

Possible side-effects: Absinthism

Symptoms: Addiction, Auditory and Visual hallucinations, Hyper-excitability, intellectual enfeeblement and possible brain damage.

Juniperus sabina - Commonly known as Savin

Usage: Emmenagogue, Abortifacient

Possible side-effects: Sensitive skins, early termination of pregnancy,

Medical Analysis:
Content of Podophyllotoxin that destroys cells on prolong application, causing area of application to be hyper-sensitive.

Saussurea costus – Commonly known as Quang Mu Xiang (Chinese)

Usage: stimulant, antibacterial, antispasmodic, aphrodisiac

Possible side-effects: Constipation, Asthma, Liver problems

Symptoms: Jaundice

There are other elements in the report that "suggest" that there are possible other symptoms like Hair Loss etc. Its a 10 pages report and do not expect me to re-type it here!

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
05-15-08, 07:13
Dear Mr. Ace,

10 years in china for my side, the job you did on analyses about massage oil is really something. I never though about it. As for food, nobody should ever joke with the fucking stuff poisoning us slowly in this country where I choose to live. When you see all that creams they are selling to enjoy more, all the stuff they can put on condoms and when you know the control and safety level here you not joke. So first of all, thanks for initiative. Second, if you got a lab on hand, everybody should look arround to find sexual additive to send you. Third, I'll make sure to buy enough massage oil in Bangkok next week!

Bring your own oil!

Laboratory test requires time and money. I wouldn't jump on the opportunity to test anything unless there are sufficient evidence to commands an investigation. Especially when it is something that might cause harm to our brothers on the board.

Finally; I believe they do not allow you to bring your own oil at that place I had mentioned!

Enjoy!
AG

Lao Gou
05-18-08, 10:24
below is the scary part:

abstract from the laboratory analysis report.

traces of following elements were found in specimen tested:

artemisio absinthium - commonly known as wormwood

usage: digestive tonic, to promote menstruation.

possible side-effects: absinthism

symptoms: addiction, auditory and visual hallucinations, hyper-excitability, intellectual enfeeblement and possible brain damage.

juniperus sabina - commonly known as savin

usage: emmenagogue, abortifacient

possible side-effects: sensitive skins, early termination of pregnancy,

medical analysis:
content of podophyllotoxin that destroys cells on prolong application, causing area of application to be hyper-sensitive.

saussurea costus – commonly known as quang mu xiang (chinese)

usage: stimulant, antibacterial, antispasmodic, aphrodisiac

possible side-effects: constipation, asthma, liver problems

symptoms: jaundice

there are other elements in the report that "suggest" that there are possible other symptoms like hair loss etc. its a 10 pages report and do not expect me to re-type it here!

enjoy!

agdangerous if you are drinking the massage oil in quantities.

artemisia absinthium
scientific name: wormwood
for topical use, oil may be extracted from fresh wormwood leaves. alternately, the dried aerial or "above ground" parts (flowers, leaves, and stems) of wormwood may be soaked in olive oil, vinegar, or water. the resulting oily rub or watery wash may be applied directly to the skin or used as a poultice to relieve minor skin surface irritations such as insect bites, scrapes, and sunburn. a poultice usually consists of a soft cloth that has been soaked in a medication, possibly heated, and applied to an injured area of skin surface. wormwood contains chemicals that promote healing by increasing blood flow to areas where it is applied. chemicals contained in wormwood may have also mild anti-infective properties that may help keep skin injuries from becoming infected.

saventaro
scientific name: cat's claw
probably the best-researched use of cat's claw is for the relief of arthritis pain. cat's claw is also being studied for a number of other possible uses. various chemicals that it contains are known to promote the loss of water from the body, relax smooth muscles, and widen small blood vessels in the hands and feet. all these effects may help to lower blood pressure. cat's claw may have immune-system effects, as well. one theory is that chemicals in it promote the activity of macrophages, which are specialized white blood cells that absorb bacteria and tumor cells and also activate other immune system cells.

botanical name: saussurea lappa.
pharmaceutical name: radix saussureae.
properties: acrid, bitter, warm.
common names: costus, kuth, kushta, kust, mu xiang, patchak, quang mu xiang
channels entered: spleen, stomach, large intestine, gall bladder.
functions and clinical use: moves the qi and alleviates pain: used for spleen or stomach stagnant qi patterns with such symptoms as lack of appetite, epigastric or abdominal pain or distension, nausea, and vomiting; stagnant liver or gall bladder qi with such symptoms as flank pain, distension or soreness. adjusts and regulates stagnant qi in the intestines: used for diarrhea and dysentery-like disorders, or for abdominal pain and tenesmus. because of its slightly astringent property, this is a m ajor herb for tenesmus. strengthens the spleen and prevents stagnation: used with tonifying herbs to ameliorate their side effects.

-old dog

Levitian
05-19-08, 07:32
Dangerous if you are drinking the massage oil in quantities.
-Old Dog




Thought the same, even without the lab test results. But, so is certainly also Johnson Baby Oil, if you do dring it in quantities......;-).

Levitian

Ace Gallant
05-20-08, 02:39
In due of mourning for the casualties of the Sichuan earthquake, the China government had order a three days cease of all Entertainment and recreation activities starting from Monday 19th May 2008.

Last night Jululu, TRL, Hengshan Lu and all bars areas were dark. KTVs are all closed. Even Snooker halls are not in operations. However, bowling alleys remain open. (You mean bowling is not entertainment?) Here's the best part: Saunas are all still open!

I was out with a freebie of mine and after scouting for a couple of places, we ended up in a Bar, TRL, they are not open to public, but will allow regular customers. At the Blue Angels, it the same but we were told that the band will not be playing for the next 2 days and will be back on Thursday.
While on the way home, we noticed some of the BBS are still open. (Again; these are not entertainment?). Called the famous Pub, and they said that they are open for regular customers but to switch off the signboard outside.

Time to stay at home for the next 2 more days and call in the freebies as reserves!

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
05-20-08, 03:29
dangerous if you are drinking the massage oil in quantities.

artemisia absinthium
scientific name: wormwood
for topical use, oil may be extracted from fresh wormwood leaves. alternately, the dried aerial or "above ground" parts (flowers, leaves, and stems) of wormwood may be soaked in olive oil, vinegar, or water. the resulting oily rub or watery wash may be applied directly to the skin or used as a poultice to relieve minor skin surface irritations such as insect bites, scrapes, and sunburn. a poultice usually consists of a soft cloth that has been soaked in a medication, possibly heated, and applied to an injured area of skin surface. wormwood contains chemicals that promote healing by increasing blood flow to areas where it is applied. chemicals contained in wormwood may have also mild anti-infective properties that may help keep skin injuries from becoming infected.

saventaro
scientific name: cat's claw
probably the best-researched use of cat's claw is for the relief of arthritis pain. cat's claw is also being studied for a number of other possible uses. various chemicals that it contains are known to promote the loss of water from the body, relax smooth muscles, and widen small blood vessels in the hands and feet. all these effects may help to lower blood pressure. cat's claw may have immune-system effects, as well. one theory is that chemicals in it promote the activity of macrophages, which are specialized white blood cells that absorb bacteria and tumor cells and also activate other immune system cells.

botanical name: saussurea lappa.
pharmaceutical name: radix saussureae.
properties: acrid, bitter, warm.
common names: costus, kuth, kushta, kust, mu xiang, patchak, quang mu xiang
channels entered: spleen, stomach, large intestine, gall bladder.
functions and clinical use: moves the qi and alleviates pain: used for spleen or stomach stagnant qi patterns with such symptoms as lack of appetite, epigastric or abdominal pain or distension, nausea, and vomiting; stagnant liver or gall bladder qi with such symptoms as flank pain, distension or soreness. adjusts and regulates stagnant qi in the intestines: used for diarrhea and dysentery-like disorders, or for abdominal pain and tenesmus. because of its slightly astringent property, this is a m ajor herb for tenesmus. strengthens the spleen and prevents stagnation: used with tonifying herbs to ameliorate their side effects.

-old dog

interesting information! after reading your post, i took the lab test report and re-read it; however nowhere on the report it indicates whether the side-effects are implying if it is oral or external uses. i will call my lab again to clarify on this. however, i was wondering; why will anyone be drinking massage oil or oils like these and in quantities?

a quick web-search on these oils, it seems like they are banned oils. so if they are banned, why will it be use for treatment? and worst of all....why is it added into the massage oil? after all; i assumed banned oil will be hard or expansive to obtain isn't it? but than again... tic! anything can be possible!

looks like there are a lot of contradicting information on the web. but as i had said.... these are for your information, to take the risk or not, you make your own call.

enjoy!
ag

btw: perhaps you can share with us where did you obtained those write-ups from? looks very professional, i would like to reference it as one of the source of information in future.

Ace Gallant
05-20-08, 03:33
Oops...I had just noticed.

Well done Old Dog! Keep it up!

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Very good post for a one day old newbie! Full of Inflomation.

Enjoy!
AG

Mock A Bee
05-24-08, 05:03
I have not personally viewed them, but a reliable source just told me Russians were spotted on Tong Ren Lu Friday night (yesterday).

Pricing information is not available at this time.

Good luck!
MAB

Ace Gallant
05-24-08, 09:16
I have not personally viewed them, but a reliable source just told me Russians were spotted on Tong Ren Lu Friday night (yesterday).

Pricing information is not available at this time.

Good luck!
MAB

Name of the new bar: "European Eyes"

Enjoy!
AG

Levitian
05-26-08, 08:01
Name of the new bar: "European Eyes"

Enjoy!
AG

I have the impression that Russian Girls are now all over the town. Went to Lounge 18 and Bar Rouge the other friday evening, and I am quite sure that there were Russian girls, at least in Bar Rouge, did actually shortly talk to one.

Btw, Lounge 18 is a very nice place, I did like it much better than Bar Rouge, somewhat more upscale.

Levitian

Ace Gallant
05-26-08, 08:12
I have the impression that Russian Girls are now all over the town. Went to Lounge 18 and Bar Rouge the other friday evening, and I am quite sure that there were Russian girls, at least in Bar Rouge, did actually shortly talk to one.

Btw, Lounge 18 is a very nice place, I did like it much better than Bar Rouge, somewhat more upscale.

Levitian

Definitely... but in place like Lounge 18, Bar Rouge, you will pay premium price.

However, I think European eyes is the first Russian Only bar in TRL.

Enjoy!
AG

Eyebrow777
05-27-08, 17:37
Name of the new bar: "European Eyes"

Enjoy!

AGJust got back from Europoean Eyes. Nearly empty, no russian girls. Had a bit of fun practicing putonghua with a smoking hot Chinese bar girl tho.

EB

Ace Gallant
05-27-08, 18:24
Just got back from Europoean Eyes. Nearly empty, no russian girls. Had a bit of fun practicing putonghua with a smoking hot Chinese bar girl tho.

EB

Are you kidding? MAB and I here are posting from European Eyes, with at least 15 Russian girls... or rather Ukarine girls!

Are you sure you got into the right one? It on the second floor!

Maybe you did not noticed us?

Enjoy!
AG

Eyebrow777
05-28-08, 01:14
Are you kidding? MAB and I here are posting from European Eyes, with at least 15 Russian girls... or rather Ukarine girls!

Are you sure you got into the right one? It on the second floor!

Maybe you did not noticed us?

Enjoy!

AG2Nd floor? <sheepish grin Saw the bar and a couple of pool tables in the back. And couldn't take my eyes of the bar girl with the diamond nose stud. Guess I was too distracted.

EB

Eyebrow777
05-31-08, 09:54
10: 30 PM, alone, nothing to do and wide awake. My first experience at SHS was less than inspiring, but decided it was time to give the Yu Ping a try, my 2nd sauna experience ever.

The plan: take line 1 to the "Shanghai Indoor Stadium", transfer to line 4 and follow directions given in an earlier post. Made it to Line 4 and discovered Line 4 was shutdown for the night. Not willing to give up this close to the goal, decided to wing it and took off on foot, out Exit 2 and past the stadium on the right. It’s a bit unnerving for this China newbie walking around the nearly deserted streets around the Stadium at 11:00PM. On the next big corner, noticed a metro sign. Upon closer inspection, it’s Line 4 Exit 3! Back on track! Follow the directions given in an earlier forum post. Can't miss the big ‘999’ sign out in front of Yu Ping.

George, the establishment manager (? ) greets me at the front door. Was led to the back, assigned a locker and numbered wrist band. This place is pretty nice. Undressed, handing the assistant my clothes which he dutifully folded and placed into the locker. Now naked, except for slippers and a wrist band, I walk to the open shower area and get cleaned up. This is the Chinese way, don’t be uncomfortable, enjoy it!

Once done with the shower, I walk over to the towel room. Off come the slippers and I step onto the towel laying on the floor for me to step on. The attendant hands me a towel, I dry off then he hands me a pair of PJs. I put them on. Take a deep breath, soak in the experience. Time for the line up!

The girls in the lineup are behind a one way mirror. There are a couple of other guys looking over the girls, maybe 15 in all. None of them bad looking and a few are smoking hot! One in particular catches my eye. I’m thinking, thinking, thinking a bit overwhelmed with the goodies in front of me. George whispers. "I recommend. " and he singles out 3 of the girls. The one I had my eye on was one of his recommendations! I go with her, #821 Ling Ling, a petite hot girl, 160 cm tall, maybe 18-23 years old, nice body and a very pretty face. She is excited at being selected; it’s kind of cute seeing her reaction. I’m introduced to Ling Ling and off we go, arm-in-arm, to the back. I give her a big smile and make small talk. She only knows a few words of English, but she’s beaming and me. I’m beaming back. This is already nice.

When we get to the room, I undress. She still has her little panty, bra and mini skirt outfit on. I pull her gently to me and stand her in front of me facing away so we can see each other in the mirror. I hold her arms over her head and lightly run my finger tips along the inside of her arms, down her side and across her incredibly beautiful body and down her legs. Then back again, very gently. She’s gorgeous; I look directly in her eyes to watch her response to my light fingertip action. I think she’s a bit turned on.

She asks if I want to take a shower. Everyone needs to experience the ‘soapy’ treatment at least once. She soaps me up, cleans everywhere then I lay down on an air mattress (this is a big clean shower) then the body slides begin. She rubs herself all over me; body massage with her tits, then her ass. She licks and sucks my fingers. This goes on for quite a while. Very nice.

After soapy time, we rinsed off then went to the bed. First a cat bath, followed by AR (me on all 4’s), red rope and finally a mentholated fire and ice BBBJ. She wasn’t able to go all the way down on me, but she did a fine job none the less! She asks if I want to finish with HJ/BJ (making the motion with her hands) or ‘sex’. I laughed, smiled and said ‘sex’. She suited me up and commented on my size, looking a bit worried (all an act I’m sure, I’m not that big) and she got on top. This girl is really tight but she takes it all and what follows is 45 minutes of sweating, neck and ear kissing/biting, lips touching fucking in lots of different positions with breaks in between for full body kissing then more fucking. I didn’t try DATY, but I think she might get into it. I finished off with a big load on her stomach.

She cleaned up as I rested on the bed. She came back and asked ‘shu fu ma’? Yep, very. She asked me if I wanted some water, I said yes, and we had a drink sitting together on the bed, her practicing her English, me practicing putonghua. I compliment her on her beauty, she compliments me on my skill (yea, an act I’m sure but it’s fun) and make other small talk.

Then she leads me back into the shower, helps me clean up then she gives me a really nice shampoo and head massage. Dry off, we both get dressed and she calls up the front desk and hands the phone to me. "Was the service good" (something like that). Yes, fantastic! Hun Hao! It was great! Ling Ling is happy, wants me to come again the next day. She walks me back to the line up room, arm in arm, and asks me to select her again.

I am offered the opportunity to go to the lounge and sit and watch TV or (? ), I declined but in retrospect, I should have accepted just for the experience. I was walking on a cloud, ear to ear grin as I showered, retrieved my things from the locker and walked up front. George handed me some business cards and asked me to come back at least once a week, maybe twice a week and to tell my friends. He hails me a taxi, and as I ride back to my hotel I am remembering my experience with Ling Ling, soaking up the city lights, feeling the cool Shanghai night breeze blowing in my face through the open window of the taxi. Life is good. It’s 1:30 AM. I am back in my room.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Rick China
06-01-08, 00:00
Hey everyone, just want to add a great recommendation from someone over in the other Shanghai thread about a love hotel (of sorts).

This place is simply awesome for China in that they offer 3 hour options as well as over night and are highly GF. Only bummer is you do need ID for any hotel in China, so anonymity is not a possibility.

Prices are very good, they have a membership card system and I think I was paying about 188 for 3 hours or just under 400 for overnight.

The coolest part is the rooms though. All different themes, great big tubs to soak in and the business single rooms (slightly more expensive) have one of those gyno / fuck chairs in them which scares the shit out of many girls but can be good fun.

I have been making pretty extensive use of the place since I gave up the shag pad a few months back and have tried almost all of the rooms.

Also, it seems very very clean and I think only opened about 8 months back so if you need somewhere to go, I definitely recommend the place.

The place is called La Casa and the address is:

3300 West Yan An Road (near Hongqiao)

http://www.lacasahotel.com.cn/en

MODERATOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Really Good information! threadMy antivirus program said there is a trojan virus at this hotel website. So only access this website if your computer is protected by antivirus program.

This hotel offers free pickup from Hongqiao airport! (must be booked 24hrs before). Every one knows how long you have to wait in queue until you can get a taxi at Hongqiao airport. I think I will stay next time in this hotel just for the free pickup!

Rick

Ace Gallant
06-01-08, 04:12
My antivirus program said there is a trojan virus at this hotel website. So only access this website if your computer is protected by antivirus program.

This hotel offers free pickup from Hongqiao airport! (must be booked 24hrs before). Every one knows how long you have to wait in queue until you can get a taxi at Hongqiao airport. I think I will stay next time in this hotel just for the free pickup!

Rick

You must be using Norton Anti-virus which detected the Flash as a Trojan. I had that same problem before. I took the risk, disable the Norton, and later scan my computer but came up nothing.

Enjoy
AG

Eyebrow777
06-02-08, 09:48
10: 30 PM, alone, nothing to do and wide awake. My first experience at SHS was less than inspiring, but decided it was time to give the Yu Ping a try, my 2nd sauna experience ever.Btw, the price was 785 RMB. Don't know if they offer an 'early bird' discount.

EB

Eyebrow777
06-02-08, 15:52
Btw, the price was 785 RMB.Correction, 780 RMB.

Batting 1000 at Yu Ping. #821 was not available this evening, so went with #867, petite but larger tits. Very pretty girl. DATY & BBBJ. GFE available but it's not for free, you have to work for it. I'd recommend either but be prepared to use hand signs if you don't speak any Mandarin.

If you've not been to Yu Ping recently, check it out. The selection is outstanding. Service from the attendants was a little spotty this evening.. they seemed like trainees compared to my first visit, but still not too bad. George was not working this evening, maybe that was the reason for the so so service.

EB

Ace Gallant
06-03-08, 03:56
Btw, the price was 785 RMB. Don't know if they offer an 'early bird' discount.

EB

I think it use to be that early bird discount end at 5pm. That is if you finish and talk out before 5pm. This only applies for Mon to Thursday. And the discount is 100RMB.

Not too sure if it still applies?

Enjoy!
AG

Mighty Mark
06-05-08, 16:45
Been meaning to add something to this post for a while now, but been a little busy.

I used to frequent the Xikang Lu establishment and noticed that part of their offer was



This post is meant to warn members of the dangers of getting "Addicted" to going for massages at this well publicized massage place.

It had been 6 months that I heard from a couple of friends that "They seems to gotten addicted to this "great prostate massage" at this place. Recently, two months ago; my suspicion grew till that I started an investigation into whether the prostate massage is proper. There are several suspicions in my mind;

1) Prostate massage girls are seductive and thus, that keeps us going back for more.
2) The girls there always gave you the ideal that they can always offer more; like; they do house calls etc. (well apart from the fact that I did managed to made two of them my freebies over a period of 1 year).
3) Some incentives or discounts they offered on been a VIP members attracts you to go back.

There are a lot more than the just above possibilities that I had thought through. But little did I suspected recently it struck me; the "essential oil" that they are using for the massage is the main culprit. One month ago, I had purchased a bottle of "Essential Oil" from them. Those are the same oil they had used for the HJ that perform for you at this joint. Initially they are reluctant to sell it to me but after a little reasoning saying that I wanted my girlfriend to do the HJ for me at home, they sold it to me.

I took this bottle to my company's laboratory for a content analysis report and the results turn up shocking. Translating from the medical terms explained to me by the lab; I'll put it in lay men's terms: The oil not only contains Stimulant (this is expected), it also contains oils that is addictive. Long term application may cause our body to adapt to the requirements for us to apply this "Oil" on a regular basis. The effect of not applying this "oil", once addicted; may be lost of hair and extra sensitiveness of the Frenulum and Penis Glans (thus, premature Ejaculation).

I'd called up and confronted my two previous freebies (No. 16 and No. 28) whom used to work in that massage joint, and both of them confessed that the MP did told them that they had added these content into the massage oil so that the customer will come back for more. Upon asking both of them why didn't they told me, No. 16 said; "That is why I told you not to go back to the MP and rather you let me satisfy your needs in your own home". No. 28 said; "I did told you that the oil is not good for our own health and had hinted to you that I would rather you save your strength to fuck me after I get off work, didn't I also told you not the come and see me too often as over doing it is also not good for your health?"

Disclaimer: The above are just information I had obtained from the research I had done but does not necessary represent that I am asking members here not to patronize this joint. To go or not to go, you make the call.

Enjoy!
AG

Beijing Fox
06-10-08, 00:59
Hi Ace,

I don't doubt your analysis of the oils, though I think your concerns may be a bit too much. However, I have other questions concerning this issue:

Are you sure other massage parlours don't use the same oil?
I don't know how often a day our brothers frequent these places, but I go probably once (most often twice) a week to massage parlours (though not always the same). With such a frequency, is there a danger of getting addict?

My stimulans at such places is the actual 'prostate' massage (which is really only a massage of the crotch and doesn't go deep enough). But I'm addicted to crotch massage with oil and also 'off venue' with out any oil.

:)







This post is meant to warn members of the dangers of getting "Addicted" to going for massages at this well publicized massage place.

It had been 6 months that I heard from a couple of friends that "They seems to gotten addicted to this "great prostate massage" at this place. Recently, two months ago; my suspicion grew till that I started an investigation into whether the prostate massage is proper. There are several suspicions in my mind;

1) Prostate massage girls are seductive and thus, that keeps us going back for more.
2) The girls there always gave you the ideal that they can always offer more; like; they do house calls etc. (well apart from the fact that I did managed to made two of them my freebies over a period of 1 year).
3) Some incentives or discounts they offered on been a VIP members attracts you to go back.

There are a lot more than the just above possibilities that I had thought through. But little did I suspected recently it struck me; the "essential oil" that they are using for the massage is the main culprit. One month ago, I had purchased a bottle of "Essential Oil" from them. Those are the same oil they had used for the HJ that perform for you at this joint. Initially they are reluctant to sell it to me but after a little reasoning saying that I wanted my girlfriend to do the HJ for me at home, they sold it to me.

I took this bottle to my company's laboratory for a content analysis report and the results turn up shocking. Translating from the medical terms explained to me by the lab; I'll put it in lay men's terms: The oil not only contains Stimulant (this is expected), it also contains oils that is addictive. Long term application may cause our body to adapt to the requirements for us to apply this "Oil" on a regular basis. The effect of not applying this "oil", once addicted; may be lost of hair and extra sensitiveness of the Frenulum and Penis Glans (thus, premature Ejaculation).

I'd called up and confronted my two previous freebies (No. 16 and No. 28) whom used to work in that massage joint, and both of them confessed that the MP did told them that they had added these content into the massage oil so that the customer will come back for more. Upon asking both of them why didn't they told me, No. 16 said; "That is why I told you not to go back to the MP and rather you let me satisfy your needs in your own home". No. 28 said; "I did told you that the oil is not good for our own health and had hinted to you that I would rather you save your strength to fuck me after I get off work, didn't I also told you not the come and see me too often as over doing it is also not good for your health?"

Disclaimer: The above are just information I had obtained from the research I had done but does not necessary represent that I am asking members here not to patronize this joint. To go or not to go, you make the call.

Enjoy!
AG

Levitian
06-10-08, 08:33
But I'm addicted to crotch massage with oil and also 'off venue' with out any oil.

:)

I think you bring it to the point.
I can believe there might be some strange ingredients in this oil, but I cannot really picture the owner of the place to be such a vicious mastermind.

Levitian

Ace Gallant
06-11-08, 10:37
Hi Ace,

I don't doubt your analysis of the oils, though I think your concerns may be a bit too much. However, I have other questions concerning this issue:

Are you sure other massage parlours don't use the same oil?
I don't know how often a day our brothers frequent these places, but I go probably once (most often twice) a week to massage parlours (though not always the same). With such a frequency, is there a danger of getting addict?

My stimulans at such places is the actual 'prostate' massage (which is really only a massage of the crotch and doesn't go deep enough). But I'm addicted to crotch massage with oil and also 'off venue' with out any oil.

:)

A PM from another member told me that there are several Massage parlours in Wuzhong Lu are using the same brand of oil. I am not sure which one, but I know for sure that the Xikang prostate massage place is one of the main distributors in Shanghai.

On the Prostate massage addiction, hahaha... I don't know.... I been to that place a number of times but never frequently, the most was that I done that twice in one week. I guess that is not enough to get me addicted? However, I remember that the massage girls in the past... they actually do a better job in trying to reach as far into the ass to massage the prostate. It was painful but sure felt good after the whole thing's over. The newer girls never seem to do this, all they did was a HJ for you!

Levitan; I know the owners personally and trust me.... they are not the straight kind of people. Especially the Lady owner! I believe they would do anything to make extra bucks. I was told that the distribution of the oil is contributes the biggest portion of their revenue and not the massages. Besides, it doesn't need a mastermind to know such method of keeping the business going.

Anyways: Like what Beijing Fox said; I maybe overly paranoid about this. Like I'd said; It all up to you to believe it or not. Even if the Lab report indicated that the oil are addictive, it doesn't means its 100% prove, the only things that I think is 100% addictive is Drugs.

Enjoy!
AG

Beijing Fox
06-13-08, 02:06
However, I remember that the massage girls in the past... they actually do a better job in trying to reach as far into the ass to massag It was painful but sure felt good after the whole thing's over.
AG

Maybe they were using the wrong oil . . . :)

Whatsoever, thank you for the warning. Let's be vigilant. You never know.. . . Try a powder massage with HJ to see whether there is any difference.

Ace Gallant
06-19-08, 02:23
Maybe they were using the wrong oil . . . :)

Whatsoever, thank you for the warning. Let's be vigilant. You never know.. . . Try a powder massage with HJ to see whether there is any difference.

Wouldn't power massage be kind of messy especially when its mix with cum? :)

Enjoy!
AG

Gualtier Malde
06-20-08, 08:22
Well, it's been too damn long, but looks like I'll be back in Asia in a few weeks. AG, I'll give you a ring when I'm sure of my plans. I have a LOT of catching up to do! Wooo Hoooo!!!!

GM

Mock A Bee
06-24-08, 06:14
Ok, so I go looking for a nooner, and I go to a shop that is on Wuding Lu.

It is one block due east of Wuding Lu at Xikang Lu, nearly to the next intersection. There is another bbs that is only open at night if you go past this one.

So I quickly pick a 'ho and we go into the back. I ask her the price and she immediately says 300rmb. I tell her no, 200rmb, and that is it.

She is actually decent looking with a fairly firm rack, C cups and maybe the size of medium oranges. I am pretty sure they were real. Her nipples were reasonably sensitive. How do I know? I bit on them! and she says "Teng!" Hahahaha!

So all this time she keeps asking me "300 ke yi maaaaaaa?" and she won't let up. So I tell her 200 or I leave. She settles for 200rmb.

I thought that would be the end of that, but oh no. We get to business and all this time she is saying "300 ma? ke yi ma?"

Did I tell you she is Shanghainese? Hahahahaha!

Well, once I penetrate the snatch, and we agreed on a price, that is it. 200rmb is the deal.

So I am banging her missionary for at least a solid 5-8 minutes, and she just does not let up. I break her pestering me for more money by asking her how old she is. She says she is 23yo. Like hell she is!

I tell her "bu shi, ni shi san shi duo" (you are more than 30yo) and she doesn't have anything to say after that. Actually she looked pretty good for a 30+yo 'ho. I have a feeling she is at least 35yo. Actually she has a decent body for a 35yo.

Well, I flip her over and bang her doggie style, and she is starting to like it.

Btw, did I tell you she goes back to asking me for more money? I could not F*****G believe it!

Now I know what these Shanghainese husbands have to go through! Wow, can you imagine being married to one of these Shanghai B*****S? whaoooo!! that is a deal breaker buddy!

No wonder the Sex Trade does so well in Shanghai!!!! And don't you expats pat yourself on the back - there are by far many more local Chinese customers than there are Laowai! I bet most of them are Shanghainese husbands!

Ok, so after a very solid ten minutes (easily) of doing her doggie style she is actually enjoying it. I can usually last a decent amount of time doing it doggie style.

Like usual, I place my thumb over her anus and rub it in circles. A few minutes of my thumb on her anus and she says no more. After a few more minutes of banging her, I thumb her anus again. Oh boy! she likes that now! It even opens up as I keep banging her and I almost get my thumb inside.

Did I tell you all this time she is STILL! asking me for for 300rmb? I S**T you not!

It must be 15 minutes of banging her by now, and my load explodes and she scolds me for not lasting longer. I guess Shanghainese 'hos, I mean women (ok so what's the difference? there is no difference...), actually enjoy getting F****D so long as money is involved.

So as I am banging her, I say to her she can come to my home and I will do her if she pays me 300rmb, and she said nonchalantly "Ok".

I think she was being serious!

Good luck!
MAB

Joe Hilton
07-08-08, 12:47
Happened to be in the French concession today and walked by a place on south side of Nanchang lu (just south of Huai Hai runs parrallel) between Maoming and Ruijin, looked new and it was (opened just a month ago). I would consider it either a boutique sauna or a very upscale BS. Can't miss it, has an oval sign that says massage in english, japanese, etc.

I was intrigued so went in, around 530pm, guy said there were two options, 198 and 498. That was it, nothing in writing, guy looked a bit dodgy, so I decided the best way to avoid this being a bad story was to opt for the 198 with either the option for an upsell or take one for the team and consider it pure recon. , turned out to be a pleasant version of the latter.

It is a small one-level building with a hallway leading back with about 5 rooms in total, some were closed, on one a tall girl in what I would not consider appropriate massage attire was passed out asleep, the hallway a bit grundgy. But then led into a small lockeroom with four shower stalls did the locker-change over to shorts and top, skipped the shower and went to a room in the back. Small room with double bed and a couch that took up the wall and crowded the bed. Smelled a little bit of fresh paint. Was all in all an OK room that obviously screamed. This ain't no legit massage joint.

I ordered a beer to check on pricing (they not charge) and said again to the attendant I wanted the 198 option. What I then got was a pretty good massage but a nice but unattractive professional young woman "nana" I think because of the location she had no qualms about oiling up my butt and giving it a good massage (I being a tight ass, that rather helpful), not to mention pressure points from stomach on down that had me painfully aware that I was not choosing the specialty of the house. 1 hour, back this time for a shower.

Further recon happened on the way out, the rooms are where the money appear to have gone. Or at least the rooms for 498. On passing I got a good look at one that had a Pole in the middle of the room. I assume of pole dancing? Also a very attractive (8-9) woman was clearly just showing up for work. The little lobby area appeared to be cleaned up and I realized that I clearly had come too early (and greatful I not opted for the other option as I clearly would have gotten some off-peak talent). Also there is an upscale japanese restaurant. Real japanese just a bit further up the street so I thought maybe that was their target but attendant said few japanese came.

So I have put it down for a second try when time permits but if anybody else in that area want to carry on the story from here, be my guest. Last, as I am notoriously terrible on details. It may have been 398 for the other option. I will give it a try but as its more of a night option, I would think 7-8 best time to go. I not usually in area or have time for it.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Joe Hilton
07-10-08, 04:31
This is likely a bit of a catch 22 but anybody in China needing to get on, the following site has entire lists of updated proxy sites and easy tofind one that stays ahead of the censors http://www.tech-faq.com/proxy-sites.shtml. Of course anybody reading this has found a way in, but I guess if you outside China and hava a trip planned, suggest you keep this handy.

Romeo6969
11-02-08, 17:06
Yo, I've been posting a while on another forum but I guess this is my first on ISG. I guess both sites are cool, ISG is a little bigger but not as easy to navigate, dunno if you two sites are affiliated. Anyways, enough friendly banter, onto the pussy.

My buddy's been living here 3 years and has never been to the village, I found that appalling. We're young people were getting wasted to fuck at muse2 for their halloween bash. Famous DJ my ass, I want my 200RMB entry fee back, at least I coulda fucked something for that much.

There I go rambling again. Anyways, this buddy's never seen the village so I turned our cab around the second I heard this information and set off to never-never land, aka wuzhong lu, where the pussy never grows expensive. (terrible analogy I know). Anyways, the Yu Ping was closed, he was all stoked about the concept of red rope that it was a bit of a disappointment, so we settled for the down and dirty, dingy BBSes that litter wuzhong lu and make me very happy. FS was about 200. People always tell me 130 but I get offered 200 and don't really negotiate, maybe I should. Anyways, we get there, and there's a regular I've done a few times, was still working at this one, can't remember the addy. Sichuan girl, absolutely gorgeous compared to the other chicks. The first time I had her she was a little whiney but when I came for seconds she became more friendly and I've kept that up for a while. Maybe 5 times now. She's about 5'3, ridiculously skinny, amazing legs, skin like silk, big glassy eyes. Won't blow me but takes it good and any position you want. I saw this girl, waved to her as I'm clearly her laowai regular I suppose. Walked for a bit, made sure my buddy got a broad and the price was set, and walked back to my joint. Damn I think she gets tighter every time. A little distant but a good fuck, girl who's just so damn hot it doesn't matter what her attitude is like, but she's nice. Came out, realized my buddy was gone and haven't asked him how it went yet. I figure he was happy, I probably took too long. Went home, checked my bank account, checked my wallet, almost cried. No more pros until payday, time for clingy freebies.

Ace Gallant
11-04-08, 02:28
Yo, I've been posting a while on another forum but I guess this is my first on ISG. I guess both sites are cool, ISG is a little bigger but not as easy to navigate, dunno if you two sites are affiliated. Anyways, enough friendly banter, onto the pussy.

My buddy's been living here 3 years and has never been to the village, I found that appalling. We're young people were getting wasted to fuck at muse2 for their halloween bash. Famous DJ my ass, I want my 200RMB entry fee back, at least I coulda fucked something for that much.

There I go rambling again. Anyways, this buddy's never seen the village so I turned our cab around the second I heard this information and set off to never-never land, aka wuzhong lu, where the pussy never grows expensive. (terrible analogy I know). Anyways, the Yu Ping was closed, he was all stoked about the concept of red rope that it was a bit of a disappointment, so we settled for the down and dirty, dingy BBSes that litter wuzhong lu and make me very happy. FS was about 200. People always tell me 130 but I get offered 200 and don't really negotiate, maybe I should. Anyways, we get there, and there's a regular I've done a few times, was still working at this one, can't remember the addy. Sichuan girl, absolutely gorgeous compared to the other chicks. The first time I had her she was a little whiney but when I came for seconds she became more friendly and I've kept that up for a while. Maybe 5 times now. She's about 5'3, ridiculously skinny, amazing legs, skin like silk, big glassy eyes. Won't blow me but takes it good and any position you want. I saw this girl, waved to her as I'm clearly her laowai regular I suppose. Walked for a bit, made sure my buddy got a broad and the price was set, and walked back to my joint. Damn I think she gets tighter every time. A little distant but a good fuck, girl who's just so damn hot it doesn't matter what her attitude is like, but she's nice. Came out, realized my buddy was gone and haven't asked him how it went yet. I figure he was happy, I probably took too long. Went home, checked my bank account, checked my wallet, almost cried. No more pros until payday, time for clingy freebies.

I guess the other site you are talking about starts with an "S" and no, ISG is not affiliated.

Pussy is @ 150 at the village. however if you are not local or regulars, (or at least looks and talk like a local; you pay a wanker tax of 50 extra. But if you are contented with paying 200 for an ST, why go all the way to the village? Not unless you are living on the west side of Shanghai and need only to pay 11 kuai, start fare of a taxi to get there. There are many other pockets of BBSs elsewhere that are very accessible downtown Shanghai.

Yu Ping is not the only sauna with Red Ropes service. there are 3000+ registered bath house in Shanghai and not to mentioned another 2000+ unregistered ones. 50% of these 5000 bath offers extra service and at least another 50% of those offers Red Ropes.

Sounds like you are Asian or at least Chinese origin, you should have no problems getting into places like these or find out where to get the best deals. With 3 years in Shanghai experience, I think you would be much better off then many of us. So, keep hunting and keep posting, keep up the good work! And if you need help, there is always the Shanghai Gang to PM.

Enjoy!
AG

Romeo6969
11-04-08, 20:56
Thanks good to hear. I think you misunderstood my report. I've only been in shanghai 5 months, my friend was here 3 years. In my opinion the village has a better selection, and I live in western Jing'an, which is quite close by. There are a few pink light places near me. They're either more expensive or lacking in quality. At least at the village I can choose from about 20 girls.

Anyways. Figured I'd give that Jing'an sauna a shot tonight. Being payday and all. The one on wulumuqi lu. Forget the name. It was a little late so selection was limited but the girl they sent out was exactly what I wanted. (I always enjoy the fishbowl but what can you do. And props to them for picking the type I totally woulda picked. Incredibly short, tiny, skinny, big glassy eyes, and a little curvy. Aka, anime character) Anyways. I have to say the service here is great, from beginning to end is just nothing but comfort. Being a young guy who's not unattractive, I've had my fair share of freebies from clubs. This girl was better than a ****. A good tease, girl who was young, Chinese, and actually knew how to fuck. Biiig surprise to me. Thus far the Chinese girls I've met act like total virgins, and know fuckall about sex and what a guy wants. I suppose it's not a fair assumption, since I haven't been with a Chinese girl over 25, and at 25 they have the maturity of a 15 year old anyways. Hey, maybe that floats your boat, but not me.

Overall it was great service, even practiced my Chinese with her cutely as we lied there together after the session, and she told me she came (again, probably a lie but thoughtful to say anyways). But anyways I think I've been in China too long, time to move onto south-east asia. First stop, Philippines. Angeles anyone?

Galinsoga
11-04-08, 23:04
Ag,

I feel a right plonker. I have been reading ISG on & off for a few years (under another name. Had to change because the old email address died) but I have only just found your section.

I suppose partly that was because I did not expect to get to Shanghai again so concentrated on the Latin sites, those being the parts of the world I know best.

However, Shanghai. Here I come. Bags being nearly packed, other ISG sections read/ memorised/ copied to files etc. I will be there Sunday.

Unfortunately I will be smothered by well meaning attention from friends and work people there, and I also have a heavy work schedule, but I am determined to escape at times. NO experience of mongering in Shanghai, so this is a first.

Sunday afternoon I guess it will be bags down as I arrive, shower, grab a taxi and go for relaxation at Shanghai Hotel before I get the friends calling for the evening.

HOWEVER, while there in Shanghai I want to try a BBS, just for the hell of it and you seem to know the way around better than most. My hotel is on Hengshan Road. So can you point me to a BBS within reasonable distance? OK all else fails I have read enough reports to know about the other main locations but with limited time and zero knowledge of the language I would rather have something within easier striking distance than Changde Lu or the Village.

1st class plonker

Galinsoga

Ace Gallant
11-05-08, 02:27
Looks like life is stepping back to the cities in China! Now with the Olympics out of the way; all the Bars, BBSs, KTVs, Saunas are now operating back in full swing!

A quick check these couple of days shows that even the regular street walkers are back in business. Suddenly my regular sweetie girls at my regular sauna also 'returned" back from their home town! I was getting tired doing freebies during these period.... man... with freebies, I need to put up of all those BS about listening to their stories, taking them to places... etc... I think I am getting old... just want to P4P and get the girl out of my life!

Man.... I love China!

Enjoy!
AG

Romeo6969
11-05-08, 17:54
Yo, what's the difference between a prostitute and a girlfriend? The prostitute tells you the price UP FRONT! , bah.

Anyways, the Shanghai Hotel is right in Jing'an, that's my territory bud. If you want a BBS experience, but in a nicer venue. Might I recommend the YZ club. It's near the intersection of jiaozhou lu and xinzha lu. Just go there and then go east in xinzha a little. It'll be on your right and should be obvious. 350 for full service, and it's somewhere inbetween BBS and Sauna. I really liked that 209 Wulumuqi place for sauna, it was 720 I believe. Hope that helps.

Ace Gallant
11-06-08, 02:11
Ag,

I feel a right plonker. I have been reading ISG on & off for a few years (under another name. Had to change because the old email address died) but I have only just found your section.

I suppose partly that was because I did not expect to get to Shanghai again so concentrated on the Latin sites, those being the parts of the world I know best.

However, Shanghai. Here I come. Bags being nearly packed, other ISG sections read/ memorised/ copied to files etc. I will be there Sunday.

Unfortunately I will be smothered by well meaning attention from friends and work people there, and I also have a heavy work schedule, but I am determined to escape at times. NO experience of mongering in Shanghai, so this is a first.

Sunday afternoon I guess it will be bags down as I arrive, shower, grab a taxi and go for relaxation at Shanghai Hotel before I get the friends calling for the evening.

HOWEVER, while there in Shanghai I want to try a BBS, just for the hell of it and you seem to know the way around better than most. My hotel is on Hengshan Road. So can you point me to a BBS within reasonable distance? OK all else fails I have read enough reports to know about the other main locations but with limited time and zero knowledge of the language I would rather have something within easier striking distance than Changde Lu or the Village.

1st class plonker

Galinsoga

What you need is to get a subscription out to Jackson and have the PM function. You could find that you will be opening up the windows of opportunities to contact members who are way much experience in specific areas that you will be visiting.

But don't misunderstand, I don't work for Jackson nor am I trying to "sell" for Jackson. I do not have any shares of the subscription you pay to Jackson.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
11-06-08, 02:21
Yo, what's the difference between a prostitute and a girlfriend? The prostitute tells you the price UP FRONT! , bah.

Anyways, the Shanghai Hotel is right in Jing'an, that's my territory bud. If you want a BBS experience, but in a nicer venue. Might I recommend the YZ club. It's near the intersection of jiaozhou lu and xinzha lu. Just go there and then go east in xinzha a little. It'll be on your right and should be obvious. 350 for full service, and it's somewhere inbetween BBS and Sauna. I really liked that 209 Wulumuqi place for sauna, it was 720 I believe. Hope that helps.

You need to be introduce to the world of Freebies. There are difference between GF and freebies. Looks like you need a lot more mileage to to get to the freebie ride. Work on it....you will get there eventually.

On Shanghai Hotel, that's the place I would take Wankers. ZY Pub had been a long talk about place on the board for the past 4 years. Address is 1771 Xin Zha Lu.

Anyways; good luck on your hunting and I will leave you with my famous advice: "Freebies are easy to get but difficult to get rid off, the skills is to get in fast and get out fast. That way, you will leave your wallet untouched"

BTW: GF and Wifes are NOT freebies, they are the most expansive girls you will ever pay for.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
11-06-08, 02:27
Thanks good to hear. I think you misunderstood my report. I've only been in shanghai 5 months, my friend was here 3 years. In my opinion the village has a better selection, and I live in western Jing'an, which is quite close by. There are a few pink light places near me. They're either more expensive or lacking in quality. At least at the village I can choose from about 20 girls.

Anyways. Figured I'd give that Jing'an sauna a shot tonight. Being payday and all. The one on wulumuqi lu. Forget the name. It was a little late so selection was limited but the girl they sent out was exactly what I wanted. (I always enjoy the fishbowl but what can you do. And props to them for picking the type I totally woulda picked. Incredibly short, tiny, skinny, big glassy eyes, and a little curvy. Aka, anime character) Anyways. I have to say the service here is great, from beginning to end is just nothing but comfort. Being a young guy who's not unattractive, I've had my fair share of freebies from clubs. This girl was better than a ****. A good tease, girl who was young, Chinese, and actually knew how to fuck. Biiig surprise to me. Thus far the Chinese girls I've met act like total virgins, and know fuckall about sex and what a guy wants. I suppose it's not a fair assumption, since I haven't been with a Chinese girl over 25, and at 25 they have the maturity of a 15 year old anyways. Hey, maybe that floats your boat, but not me.

Overall it was great service, even practiced my Chinese with her cutely as we lied there together after the session, and she told me she came (again, probably a lie but thoughtful to say anyways). But anyways I think I've been in China too long, time to move onto south-east asia. First stop, Philippines. Angeles anyone?

The girls at the Village are of higher risk level. They are not checked and the locals love to use them bareback. Very often I heard of people catching something from the girls at the village.

Lastly; Angeles City? Been there done that. Again.... there are nearer places and much more fun places in the Philippines.

Enjoy!
AG

Galinsoga
11-06-08, 11:30
What you need is to get a subscription out to Jackson and have the PM function. You could find that you will be opening up the windows of opportunities to contact members who are way much experience in specific areas that you will be visiting.

But don't misunderstand, I don't work for Jackson nor am I trying to "sell" for Jackson. I do not have any shares of the subscription you pay to Jackson.

Enjoy!

AGAg,

Believe me I have tried to get a subscription. I believe is supporting folk like Jackson who does a bril job for all of us. However, there seems to be a problem ie the "system" will not accept my email address (a live.com email variant of Hotmail) even though that worked fine for initial registration. I will try again. And if still a problem will use another address.

Galinsoga

Galinsoga
11-06-08, 13:00
Using the City8 map/ viewing system (which is absolutely brilliant) I have "found" an Orchard CRC Pub at 1788 Xin Zha Lu and that cannot be far from the YZ. Then from the Web and SmartNameCard I have printed the card and taxi instruction for the Orchard pub. So I will get to the general area. Anyway. If it is not pouring with rain it looks like an interesting walk along TRL and up to Xin Zha Lu. But will I ever get there or will there be too many distractions along the way. At my age I can live in hope. That stroll is intended to be my entertainment for next Monday afternoon and onward

Thanks guys

Galinsoga

Romeo6969
11-06-08, 17:27
Seriously gallant. I dunno what's the deal I guess you just don't like me and wanna flame me down, every single post you've just chirped me, chill out.

The village, in my opinion, is a fucking experience, a big cluster of BBSes, it's like going to beijing and not seeing the great wall. You can fuck a girl anywhere, trust me I understand. But this is quite a sight to be seen. Anyways, put on a rubber and you're fine, or just get a handy? Seriously, get a life man. And if you refuse to allow this post you're only proving my point. Angeles? I've never been before, and once again it's an experience. Maybe it's "touristy" or whatever you wanna call it, we all have our preferences. That doesn't mean you're right and I'm wrong. And what's the deal with profiting off this prostitution? This is a community and it shouldn't be about money. IMHO

Pleasure Dude
11-07-08, 01:56
I would like to add, " Man, I love AG's life in China." You have close to you endless selection of girls (freebies and p4p) and you are still complaining. =) I will be happy and satisfied if I can have just one or two freebies back home. Things are looking terrible here in the states and a lot people are closing their business... You know, I might be packing up sooner and moving to China to join you.

PD



"Man.... I love China!"

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
11-07-08, 02:37
I would like to add, " Man, I love AG's life in China." You have close to you endless selection of girls (freebies and p4p) and you are still complaining. =) I will be happy and satisfied if I can have just one or two freebies back home. Things are looking terrible here in the states and a lot people are closing their business... You know, I might be packing up sooner and moving to China to join you.

PD

You are most welcome to join me in China. I planned this long time ago to be in China. 5 years ago... I had a vision. My Vision tells me that 5 years down the road, I would be in China, fucking a different girl every night. The closest I got to last time, when I was living in Japan was, that I was fucking every night but had to be contented with the same girl for one or two weeks before I can swapped out for another girl.

When I moved to China, I found that my Vision came true only that I don't have to wait 5 years to get there! within 6 months after moving to China, I was there! Now after 3 years in China.... I am getting tired and felt like I should slow down otherwise I might run out of stream soon. Well.... at least I noticed my cum volume had been reducing on every girl!

Man... I still love China!

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
11-07-08, 07:16
Seriously gallant. I dunno what's the deal I guess you just don't like me and wanna flame me down, every single post you've just chirped me, chill out.

The village, in my opinion, is a fucking experience, a big cluster of BBSes, it's like going to beijing and not seeing the great wall. You can fuck a girl anywhere, trust me I understand. But this is quite a sight to be seen. Anyways, put on a rubber and you're fine, or just get a handy? Seriously, get a life man. And if you refuse to allow this post you're only proving my point. Angeles? I've never been before, and once again it's an experience. Maybe it's "touristy" or whatever you wanna call it, we all have our preferences. That doesn't mean you're right and I'm wrong. And what's the deal with profiting off this prostitution? This is a community and it shouldn't be about money. IMHO

Flame you? I don't know where you are coming from. In my forum if I don’t like what I see, I will just delete it. I don't need to flame anyone here. As I'd said before; in my forum we only let people post facts and post with flaming intentions, fighting or encouraging fights among members, Bullshits or post for the purpose of self promotion WILL be deleted. There is no like or don't like in my forum. Just as long as there is true information, I will let it stay on my forum. I do not control what going on the main board and therefore I do not even want to post or read it. I do agree with you though that; everyone have the rights to their own opinion or their own choice of girls or places.

In my post in respond to your previous post I am just highlighting to you my opinions and experience. You can believe or not believe. The least I want to see is that people coming back to me saying that they got into some problems and why on earth nobody warns them about it.

Agree Village is a great one-stop-shop for BBSs, but what I was trying to tell you was: IT IS A HIGHER RISK AREA. I did have a couple of my friends caught stuff from there even if they are covered. I, when comes to Pros, is a 100% raincoat man , and it is also because of the type of girls I chose when I was in the Village or BBS that keep me out of trouble.

Profiting from this forum or the girls? I think you got all wrong.... I do not own this forum nor am I a pimp.... I do not get money for giving information or posting on this board. There is only one purpose in which why we are here for: sharing information. If you don't like me paying for my girls or me getting my girls for free, that is entirely your problem not mine or anyone here.

Lastly, about Angeles City, if you think you just want to lock yourself in your own opinions and think that any other suggestions are just chances of flaming you, go ahead no one if going to stop you. But you would be dam right if I see the next post for you is a flaming post, it will BE DELETED. Over there in Philippines, I am suggesting that you should look at more places other than zeroing only on Angeles City. Yes, Angeles is full of fun but you get to same type of shit in which the girls are trying to rip you off. Some tries to scam you and the fact that it is further away from the main stream city, you are putting yourself at a higher risk. Yet again, these are my opinions and experience, you can take it or not I don’t care. Young man if you think you know better and any other’s opinions are flaming you, there is a perfect solution to it: “Don’t read the forum!”

Enjoy!
AG

BTW: Having a rubber on doesn't protects you 100% you can catch a lot of shit even with rubbers on!

Ace Gallant
11-07-08, 07:37
Ag,

Believe me I have tried to get a subscription. I believe is supporting folk like Jackson who does a bril job for all of us. However, there seems to be a problem ie the "system" will not accept my email address (a live.com email variant of Hotmail) even though that worked fine for initial registration. I will try again. And if still a problem will use another address.

Galinsoga

I think a GMAIL account should work and it is free. I am not sure, perhaps you should email Jackson on this?


Using the City8 map/ viewing system (which is absolutely brilliant) I have "found" an Orchard CRC Pub at 1788 Xin Zha Lu and that cannot be far from the YZ. Then from the Web and SmartNameCard I have printed the card and taxi instruction for the Orchard pub. So I will get to the general area. Anyway. If it is not pouring with rain it looks like an interesting walk along TRL and up to Xin Zha Lu. But will I ever get there or will there be too many distractions along the way. At my age I can live in hope. That stroll is intended to be my entertainment for next Monday afternoon and onward

Thanks guys

Galinsoga

Wow that is cool.... mongering on a Monday afternoon! Can I join you?

Perhaps you like to post something about the Orchard Pub... anything interesting there? Frankly I'd never been there. Nice Pussies there? Man... all these questions started rolling into me....

I think I don't have to warn you about those rip off girls at TRL do I? Actually for TRL it is quite a fun place just as long as you watch out for yourself.

Also I hate those 2 pairs of girls trying to get money from you if you walk along Nanjing Dong Lu from Plaza 66 to Jing An Temple. They always give you the crap that they are from out of town, lost their wallet, need some money to buy food. Man.... ! I had seen them so many times that they even recognized me now and stop approaching me.

I love China!
Enjoy!
AG

Romeo6969
11-07-08, 07:58
Alright fine, I'll chill out. One thing I will say is that Angeles is really accessible. One 2000RMB round trip airfare plus a shuttle bus for 2 hours and you're there.

Galinsoga
11-07-08, 13:09
Sorted the paid membership now ie I used a different Email. The activation will probably not happen until I am on my way to the airport tomorrow morning but I will try a PM to AG if possible to say hello. From other posts I guess ISG cannot be accessed from inside China or via the hotel internet connection. I am far too IT illiterate to cope with anything like using a proxy unless I was shown how to do it

Yes, the PLAN is to go walk-about Monday afternoon. That raises a question - what time of day to massage places open in Shanghai?

At home and in most countries I have ever been there is no activity before noon. The walk about has to be day time because I will guess that business associates will want to meet me during the evening. By the time that is over it will no doubt be late and although viewing the nightlife would be an education I will have to be up early for the following day for something called WORK. If there is no evening meet-up I am sure I can find amusement. Zapatas seems to be relatively close to my hotel - and a load of other places along Hengshan Road.

All part of the rich experience of life

Galinsoga

Galinsoga
11-07-08, 22:39
AG,

Looking at the Google Earth map posted as a link by Albert Punter
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=648853&postcount=2011

(Splendid work Sir)

THAT says the place I found as Orchard Pub was formerly known as ZY Pub !! For sure the location is correct. My guess (and it is a guess) is that it used to be the ZY - became the Orchard which is when they photographed it for the Map8 system, but in one of the many refurbs I read the place has undergone the name has changed back to YZ

Now if only I spoke a single word or the language this would make a super subject for a conversation with the manager and staff during a visit.

One lives and learns

Galinsoga

Galinsoga
11-16-08, 14:04
AG,

Looking at the Google Earth map posted as a link by Albert Punter
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=648853&postcount=2011

(Splendid work Sir)

THAT says the place I found as Orchard Pub was formerly known as ZY Pub !! For sure the location is correct. My guess (and it is a guess) is that it used to be the ZY - became the Orchard which is when they photographed it for the Map8 system, but in one of the many refurbs I read the place has undergone the name has changed back to ZY

Now if only I spoke a single word or the language this would make a super subject for a conversation with the manager and staff during a visit.

One lives and learns

GalinsogaI was wrong. The ZY is exactly opposite the Orchard Pub. I guess that they are so close that AP's maps do not differentiate between the two

Yes, friends, I am just back from Shanghai after a wonderful week. More details in reports to follow. That did include a visit to ZY which I found easy enough by following the address directions in

The reason I could not "see" ZY using the Map8 system indicated in my previous post is simply that there is a tree / washing obscuring the view of the front of the ZY building.

Having found ZY I have to say I was not over impressed. It was a very quick service. Can't remember the name of the girl. But then you get what you pay for. Her looks etc were fine, it was just that she was a bit too professional at getting things over and done with. Maybe that was because I would not pay the original asking price (I read and learn guys ie do not overpay and spoil things for you locals). If they had been over-run with customers I could perhaps understand a desire to keep the time short but I seemed to be the only one there (7pm). Never mind, I went for a meal then on to Zapatas for another sort of take-away.

Galinsoga

Ace Gallant
11-17-08, 04:24
I was wrong. The ZY is exactly opposite the Orchard Pub. I guess that they are so close that AP's maps do not differentiate between the two


Albert Plunter had not been back in China for over a year now, at the time of posting most likely that Orchard Pub does not exist? I remembered across the road from ZY is or was? a Singaporean Restaurant (was it called Orchard pub?) can't remember the name, but if it is, than it is a legit restaurant, I don't think there are any actions in there ,,, I might be wrong, had not been back there for a long time.....perhaps you might want to post something on your findings there?



she was a bit too professional at getting things over and done with. Maybe that was because I would not pay the original asking price (I read and learn guys ie do not overpay and spoil things for you locals). If they had been over-run with customers I could perhaps understand a desire to keep the time short but I seemed to be the only one there (7pm). Never mind, I went for a meal then on to Zapatas for another sort of take-away.

Galinsoga

There should be a gold color "1771" on the door of ZY. That's the unit number.

So how much did you pay the girl?

Well... you are right on that one.... the girls there tend to give rush jobs if they know that their regulars or other customers are waiting.

Enjoy!
AG

Galinsoga
11-19-08, 14:17
Ag

Damage paid was 300. She asked 500 and obviously I rejected that settling on 250, but then added 50 tip. I ALWAYS tip, it is just habit. Probably you disagree but that is my way. I think 300 was fair given it was a fs session, and although I said it was rushed it was still around 45 mins. At home I would pay twice that for the same time.

I could not see or hear any other customers. There were about 4 girls sitting on the couches by the doorway

I REALLY dislike the dingy lighting in the cubicles (you can't call it a room! ). I like to see the goodies

As for finding ZY the easy option is to take a taxi to the restaurant opposite using the taxi card that can be printed from

http://www.smartnamecard.com/Pages/ViewOrganization.aspx?orgId=1192

You then can't miss ZY directly opposite

Galinsoga

Ace Gallant
02-04-09, 09:28
My latest round the world trip was greatly disrupted when I received a call from a friend in which I had to cut my trip short. Here is the story:

He was calling from a Police station in Shanghai. Apparently, he had been thrown into jail for 2 days before the Police finally decided to give him a chance to call in someone who would be able to bail him out. The friend of mine, Tom (not his real name), do not speak a single word of Chinese and just moved to Shanghai 2 months ago.

When I finally arrived at the Police station, in which he had be held; he looks fine except for a small cut above his forehead and a “Black-eye”. The Police told me that they had detained him because he had picked a fight with two locals without any apparent reasons. The two locals was release on the same day (Thursday) after questioning.

The locals’ part of the story to the Police:

They were walking along Chang De Lu when this Laowai started speaking to them in English in which they had no idea what he is saying and thus they tried to walked away but was in turn confronted by the Laowai and started picking up a fight. The local defended and managed to knock him down by a punch into the Laowai’s left eye which left him bleeding. That is when the Police arrived and saw the Laowai picking up on his feet and grabbing one of the locals by his shirt. The Police immediately apprehended him.

My friend’s part of the story:

He went to Chang De Lu and found the BBS that I had brought him to, opened, so he walked in. Having been there before; he agreed for a ST. However, in the previous experience when I took Tom there, he paid 200RMB (150RMB + 50 Laowai Tax: Yah Yah…. Because the girl said that Laowai have big dicks!). This time round; the girl wanted 300 for ST by telling him with 3 fingers. Not knowing Chinese, Tom figured that, it will be hard to negotiate; he nodded in agreement and headed to the room for the ST. During the service; Tom asked the girl to give him a BBBJ and Tom nicely CIM after 5 mins of BBBJ. What he remembered was; when he shot into her mouth, she was struggling to pull away but he held on to her head, forcing her to be unable to do so. He only let her go when he was finally done. Tom saw her running out of the room returning 5 mins later screaming at him in some Chinese words in which Tom could not understand. She keeps on showing 6 fingers and pointing at her mouth. Tom thinks that she wanted 600RMB just for CIM. Tom then walked out of the room after dressing up; pulled 2 X 100RMB gave it to the papa san at the door and tried to leave. However, the girl kept screaming to the papa san in Chinese and the Papa san stopped him saying in broken English: 600! After 5 more minutes of finger pointing, Tom pulled another 100RMB and threw it at the Papasan and forced himself way out of the BBS. Tom barely walked more than 10 meters from the BBS when he was confronted by the two locals who started speaking to him in Chinese; fiercely. I guessed Tom tried to play tough (which I knew he would…..) and a fight broke up. Tom remembered the Police who grabbed him, came out of nowhere. The locals told the Police something in Chinese and all of them were taken to the Police station in which he was detained.

Tom told me during the first 2 days (Thursday and Friday) they left him alone in the Jail cell in which Tom was complaining to me that he had “Hell” in Jail because they only gave him a thin blanket when it was freaking cold in there. My only comment to Tom: “What? You call that Hell? They could have beaten you up, burn your pubic hairs and hang weights on your balls for picking up a fight!”

Tom was released after I had fixed the Police up with a 1000RMB bail. While walking out of the station, the Police Inspector told me: “Keep your Laowai under short leash, don’t let him run around like mad dogs OK?”

Telling Tom in a serious tone: “Don’t try act tough when you are in a foreign land. If you had paid the 300, it is likely they will let you go without much trouble because that was what was agreed upon in the first place. By throwing the money at the Papasan in front of the girls, you made him ‘lose face’ in which he would not hesitate to fix you up! Now instead of paying 300, you had paid 1300 for that stupid ST, BBBJ and CIM plus 3 full days of experience in Jail. Bravo! It was a lucky thing that the locals did not say anything more serious to the Police and so they did not charge you with some stupid charges!”

Enjoy!
AG

BTW: Tom is 6 feet 1, 35 years old and does the Gym every other day.

Bonzo1
03-10-09, 19:41
my latest round the world trip was greatly disrupted when i received a call from a friend in which i had to cut my trip short. here is the story:]


this was a really interesting story on many levels. i'll add my 2 cents. ag called it right - do not make people lose face (pappasan's, girls, or anyone). i've had incidents myself when i accidentally caused someone to lose face (though nothing like this, thankfully).

second, if you can't bail yourself out of a situation with (rule of thumb) double the money you were initially getting yourself into (i.e. 600 rmb, in this case), do not get into the situation in the first place. you'll find having double the money in china is invaluable.

third, if you force a girl to do anything she didn't want to do, you're not only an asshole, but also a [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126). "tom" would have gotten into a lot more trouble for his behavior in most countries. he should count himself lucky, and learn from his experience (not a bet i'd make, but he should).

finally, this is probably the best advice you'll ever get if you spend any significant length of time in china. many things are going to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you off, and you will be cheated many, many times. remember, you are a visitor here, and one that isn't complying with the law at that. if you can't handle difficult situations, don't get yourself into them. but most of all, just remember that none of what we're doing when we're mongering needs to escalate or make us angry - and all of it can be reduced to a very small (relatively speaking) amount of money. so keep your cool, and pay if you have to, to get out of sticky situations. whatever you do, don't adopt the "i'm superior" attitude that so many lao wai here do - it may satisfy very small egos and intellect, but mimicing it is gonna lead to a lot of trouble.

i hope this advice is helpful.

cheers.

-b-

Ace Gallant
05-03-09, 10:16
this was a really interesting story on many levels. i'll add my 2 cents. ag called it right - do not make people lose face (pappasan's, girls, or anyone). i've had incidents myself when i accidentally caused someone to lose face (though nothing like this, thankfully).

second, if you can't bail yourself out of a situation with (rule of thumb) double the money you were initially getting yourself into (i.e. 600 rmb, in this case), do not get into the situation in the first place. you'll find having double the money in china is invaluable.

third, if you force a girl to do anything she didn't want to do, you're not only an asshole, but also a [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126). "tom" would have gotten into a lot more trouble for his behavior in most countries. he should count himself lucky, and learn from his experience (not a bet i'd make, but he should).

finally, this is probably the best advice you'll ever get if you spend any significant length of time in china. many things are going to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you off, and you will be cheated many, many times. remember, you are a visitor here, and one that isn't complying with the law at that. if you can't handle difficult situations, don't get yourself into them. but most of all, just remember that none of what we're doing when we're mongering needs to escalate or make us angry - and all of it can be reduced to a very small (relatively speaking) amount of money. so keep your cool, and pay if you have to, to get out of sticky situations. whatever you do, don't adopt the "i'm superior" attitude that so many lao wai here do - it may satisfy very small egos and intellect, but mimicing it is gonna lead to a lot of trouble.

i hope this advice is helpful.

cheers.

-b-

last update, this wanker boy, lost his job and went home.

enjoy!
ag

Gualtier Malde
06-24-09, 09:37
Hey AG, gang:

I'm going to be in town for a very short trip landing this Thursday, will hit the town Friday, then leaving for a couple of nights in Hangzhou.

I'll try to call those whose cell numbers I have still work. I'm hoping mine will still be the same as last time I was in town... I haven't juiced the card for a while, so who knows...

GM

Ace Gallant
06-25-09, 01:08
Hey AG, gang:

I'm going to be in town for a very short trip landing this Thursday, will hit the town Friday, then leaving for a couple of nights in Hangzhou.

I'll try to call those whose cell numbers I have still work. I'm hoping mine will still be the same as last time I was in town... I haven't juiced the card for a while, so who knows...

GM

Welcome back!

Will catch up when you are back here .... and yah... the Shanghai Gang's is still operating.... undercover!

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
11-15-09, 03:46
Sorry this news is a bit late because it is a week old, please forgive me as I had been and is still on the roads.

All bars in Shanghai are told to take the day off today because our President Obama is visiting China.

Enjoy!
AG

Red Sun
05-14-10, 10:30
One guy you could/should PM to though would be Ace Gallant; AG is resident of Shanghai and always great to ISG guys needing a bit of a heads up etc in Shanghai.
Just IMHO.

SEAJDear AG,

Remember me? Long time, I am going to Shanghai for Expo, have chance to meet and maybe take me around?

I wrote to SEAJoe and he told me I should write to you. Can I pay Jackson again so to PM you?

Tomoarigatou!

Ace Gallant
05-15-10, 03:44
Dear AG,

Remember me? Long time, I am going to Shanghai for Expo, have chance to meet and maybe take me around?

I wrote to SEAJoe and he told me I should write to you. Can I pay Jackson again so to PM you?

Tomoarigatou!

Dear Red Sun

AG is retired and traveling around the whole of China. He has pass the moderation of the forum to me. If you know him personally I will contact him for you but please pay Jackson the $20 for the subscription to avoid messing up the threads.

AG is unlikely to be able to be free to take you around as he travels in and out of Shanghai so very often. My advice is try to send me a PM and I will redirect it to him for his answer. Or you may try to contact some our regular member.

As for SEAJoe, he is Hongkong based and goes to Chang Ping for his weekly fun, I doubt he is able to help you very much for Shanghai as he is never in Shanghai.

Enjoy
for AG

Geylangguy
07-12-10, 09:51
Shanghai Craigslist has a stack of girls willing to go to your house for about 1000RMB for 2 hours or 300 for an hour for massage only

http://shanghai.craigslist.com.cn/ers/index300.html

Has anyone tried the services of these girls before or is going around to the clubs and KTVs still the best way to go?

Ace Gallant
07-14-10, 14:50
Shanghai Craigslist has a stack of girls willing to go to your house for about 1000RMB for 2 hours or 300 for an hour for massage only

http://shanghai.craigslist.com.cn/ers/index300.html

Has anyone tried the services of these girls before or is going around to the clubs and KTVs still the best way to go?

Why don't you try and report back?

Enjoy!
AG

Crosby
08-16-10, 08:58
Shanghai Craigslist has a stack of girls willing to go to your house for about 1000RMB for 2 hours or 300 for an hour for massage only

http://shanghai.craigslist.com.cn/ers/index300.html

Has anyone tried the services of these girls before or is going around to the clubs and KTVs still the best way to go?Wow this gets my blood pumping to the right area... love the exitement but I guess most of the ads are fake. No way that a gorgeous model will do an oil massage in my hotel for $20 per hour.

Bnlee2
08-19-10, 05:24
Wow this gets my blood pumping to the right area... love the exitement but I guess most of the ads are fake. No way that a gorgeous model will do an oil massage in my hotel for $20 per hour.How do you get $20 per hour. $1 USD= $6.80 RMB. Do the math.

Ace Gallant
09-04-10, 12:46
Nah.... they all are just operating undercover.

I'd just came back from a great session. From Ying Quan Sauna.

Same as all others, you call up the manager, go to the back door, they open the door for you.

There are not as many girls though, because there aren't many customers too!

PM me for details.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
09-14-12, 02:35
I was back in Shanghai for a night and took a walk around my old regular hideout area (Tong Ren Lu, Xi Kang Lu). It seem like the streets walkers are back especially the strip West of Portman. As usual most of them are UFOs (Ugly Fat & Old) and are asking for too much 800 per shag and 1500 for overnight. I smile and move on. The going price should be around 300/600 considering that they are really UFOs! Especially when the night later. In my experience when I used to live in Shanghai, sometimes you do get a Gem or two but I don't see any this time.

Enjoy!

AG