South China - Dongguan

[Ace Gallant]

Thread Starter.

[Moody]

I just noticed the link on the China page and clicked it and it opened this one up. Does everybody see this? If so, I don't understand the point of it.

[Ks457]

Looking at the locations (DG, SZ and ZH), it seems to be the main playground for senior China board members such as AG, OAH, JohnnyKon, CPExpat (among other names), Santa, Bill Lee.

AG may have requested this after being annoyed with the flame war from a certain Offensive Wacked-out Loner cluttered the DG/SZ boards, so that he can have the authority to delete/ban posts or posters that post irrelevant information.

I, for one, am glad of this, as I do RTFF, but the current threads contained too many useless/outdated posts that it was difficult to filter through them all, and I can't remember seeing any useful, up-to-date information recently...

[Ace Gallant]

Looking at the locations (DG, SZ and ZH), it seems to be the main playground for senior China board members such as AG, OAH, JohnnyKon, CPExpat (among other names), Santa, Bill Lee.

AG may have requested this after being annoyed with the flame war from a certain Offensive Wacked-out Loner cluttered the DG/SZ boards, so that he can have the authority to delete/ban posts or posters that post irrelevant information.

I, for one, am glad of this, as I do RTFF, but the current threads contained too many useless/outdated posts that it was difficult to filter through them all, and I can't remember seeing any useful, up-to-date information recently...Ks,

Yes, you are right, the board is getting overly polluted with useless posts, posts of members flaming each other, post of members bragging, Jackson offered me to chance to moderate my own forum.

No, I did not requested it.

I will try my try my best to moderate this forum and, whenever possible, verify information posted here so that we will remove posts that are:

1) Totally not related to the sole purpose of ISG
2) Non-informational
3) Posts solely for the purpose of bragging.
4) Posts that contains false or fake information.
5) Post that are against the rules of ISG. (Most important)


I just noticed the link on the China page and clicked it and it opened this one up. Does everybody see this? If so, I don't understand the point of it.Moody,

The point is; people will look into this forum for some real information. WYSIWYG. Reports here are solely for the purpose of sharing real information.

Enjoy!

AG

[Ace Gallant]

Dan,

I don't have any links to Hui Mei hotel, but I can get corporate rate for Peninsular Hotel which I is a newer hotel with nicer rooms.the rate are 265 / night. The rooms as compared to Miraton, is much nicer. The only set back is that it is not located in central of CP. it is 5 mins walking distance from Yalan BBS. The facilities are great too. We had tied their in house Spa and Sauna (Both Legit and Extra service) and they are both nice. The KTV is fun too. They do have their own foot massage but it is located next to Swan lake hotel. The hotel have many hotel transport and basically we traveled to anywhere using their free transport.

Enjoy
AG

[Transporter]

Ban Dao is a nice place to stay if you know your way around. At one time it was the best hotel (newest) before hui hwa, miraton, walter was built.
But I would suggest you stay on the upper floors, as the lower ones as I remember had a mosquito problem. The executive suites are very nice, as your bedroom opens up to the garden/pool area, but if mosquitoes like you, then I would not recommend it.
I can recommend it, as I like the KTV there. I try to go there at least once while I am in town.

Porter

[Ace Gallant]

Ban Dao is a nice place to stay if you know your way around. At one time it was the best hotel (newest) before hui hwa, miraton, walter was built.
But I would suggest you stay on the upper floors, as the lower ones as I remember had a mosquito problem. The executive suites are very nice, as your bedroom opens up to the garden/pool area, but if mosquitoes like you, then I would not recommend it.
I can recommend it, as I like the KTV there. I try to go there at least once while I am in town.

Porter

Good description for Peninsular Hotel T-Porter.

I would like to add. If you are checking into the Peninsular, make sure you ask for the New Wing or "B" Zone. That's side where the entrance is away from the main lobby but facing the train station. Its on the same road of Yalan. So basically you would take a shorter walk to Swan Lake hotel or Baby's BBS. Furthermore, since the entrance is not the main lobby, the security does not fuck care if you have a bunch of 20 mongers bringing in 30 girls. Or the mummies bringing 50 girls through the entrance to the room for your viewing.

But there is a bad side to that.... that means any person can just slip through and come up to your room.

Enjoy!
AG

[Dan Hawaii]

Good description for Peninsular Hotel T-Porter.

I would like to add. If you are checking into the Peninsular, make sure you ask for the New Wing or "B" Zone. That's side where the entrance is away from the main lobby but facing the train station. Its on the same road of Yalan. So basically you would take a shorter walk to Swan Lake hotel or Baby's BBS. Furthermore, since the entrance is not the main lobby, the security does not fuck care if you have a bunch of 20 mongers bringing in 30 girls. Or the mummies bringing 50 girls through the entrance to the room for your viewing.

But there is a bad side to that.... that means any person can just slip through and come up to your room.

Enjoy!
AG
The B wing is also newer and nicer than the older section of the hotel. The only bad thing about the B wing is that you need to walk a good ways to the free breakfast buffet. I would recommend also, that you upgrade and pay 300 rmb for the bigger room, it is well worth the extra rmb. Not all rooms are the same for the same price, it is kind of wierd.

[Ace Gallant]

After a break of 3 - 4 months I finally rolled into town afternoon of Friday and checked into Peninsula.

With these reports of raids and CP dying, I wasn't expecting too much but came into CP due to the fact that my buddy Blacklisted will be in town, as he hadn't been back to CP for over a year. Pleasure Dude whom we had be PMing each other for a while is rolling into town on Sat evening and long time good friend Santa is already there. A few others will be in town too. It’s really good to catch up with old friends.

Headed to Jojo's BBS at about 3:30 and was a bit surprised that the scene is not at all as described by the many posts on the main thread. The mummies are out on the streets, there are girls (providers) getting to work. I’d circled around just to see if I can catch the sight of any Police, or suspicious person (maybe undercover police) but failed to see any before I was caught by Angel, (Jojo's sister). As I was dragged to her BBS, I saw the couple regular mummies standing around the usual spot outside the ground floor of the BBS and there was Jojo too.

The BBS is stock with at least 15 odd girls with about 10 familiar faces. Chatted for a while with some of the girls and Angel; picked my 1st girl and booked one for LT, picked two girls to service Blacklisted as he will be in late. On Friday evening, if I pre-book them, the good ones will be gone by 6.
The whole process is not that scary as like what many had posted before. Angel did tell me that before the CNY, the police were raiding the places but this is normal every year. What's new? It’s a regular exercise during this time of the year in every city of China. Now, after CNY, life is stepping back and everything seems to go back to normal.

There is however one improvement that I noticed about CP. The streets had become slight cleaner and traffic had somewhat improved. IMHO: CP will grow up, new train station, new buildings is part of the development of any small towns. Improvements in transportation bring new opportunities, trade and people. Just like Shanghai when it was growing from a small city into the metropolitan city of today; it also brings along a lot of people. The needs of Entertainment will always be there. I felt that CP will maintain to have all these entertainment for our hobby and as a matter of fact the entertainment industry might even grow?

So, I do not agree on the speculation that CP entertainment industry will die off. As long as there are people (especially non-locals - including Non-local Chinese) there will be a demand for Entertainment trade. Moreover, the Hongkongers are feeding this industry for years in CP, will they move away or will the government let them move away? NO.

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

You guys will not believe this: I slip out of the Peninsula hotel KTV back into my room just to post this useless post:

Man......! It is just great! Blacklisted, Pleasure Dude, XXXXXX and me are just having good times partying in the KTV... boy am I drunk!

OK back to the KTV now....

Enjoy
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Here I am with a bunch of real wankers at the Peninsula KTV! Cannot believe this.... AG, Pointpanic AKA waikiki Bob, Blacklisted,Pleassure dude, Santa, tightway, Headway... all getting drunk out of their mind and going to waste their money when they pay for the girls and can't get it up. WANKERS!!!
Se asia Joe


Yah we are a bunch of wankers ..... but all of us were having so much fun......what are you going to do about it?????

Enjoy
AG

[Ace Gallant]

se asia joe, blacklisted,pleassure dude, santa, tightway turned up at the peninsula ktv at 1830 as we were told that we should do this before 7 to get to best girls.

the ktv's looks small from the main lobby but we were told that 90% of the spaces are used for the rooms. there are 100+ of rooms we were told. we lost santa to the crowd of girls while we had been lead to the new wing's vip rooms on the 13th floor of the building. se asia joe had to go back into the "sea" of girls to pull him out; fortunately before he got strip naked and raped to death by the girls..... oh man.... sorry; a bit too dramatic; i have constantly remind myself that i am not try to write a novel here....what i am trying to put through was; the mummies are doing their round of bringing the girls through the crowded corridor. there must of at least 15 girls per mummy in each group. i was told there are 80 mummies (girls managers) in the ktv.
the vip rooms are all on the 13th floor of the b wing. each room is about 25sqm in size with attached toilet. the only problem i see with the setup is that the rooms are on 13th floor and in a different wing of the hotel, therefore the first thing that came to my mind is that although these are vip rooms the mummies will have to bring the girls on a long walk to get to our rooms, and therefore stopping along the way to the other rooms. by the time they get to our room, all the nice ones are gone! speaking to my buddy the gr manager; kevin on this; he assured me that this will not happens as all the mummies will have to make the 13th floor the first stop before going to the other rooms. just before he could finished speaking; a mummy showed up with our first line-up of 10 girls.
the guys and i had a good time going through at least 15 line ups throughout the night. even 2 hours later (9pm) the mummies were still bringing line ups of girls. so it seems that there are enough girls to go around on a saturday evening.

se asia joe had to disappear for 3 hours to meet and fuck a freebie! and santa… disappeared without giving prior notice??? tightway; initially did not like the girl he had chosen, or rather he did asked me for my opinion on a choice of 2 girls he had picked and ended up the one i recommended, he said is a bit boring. so he called in his own re-enforcement of his own girl (from i don’t know where???). but the funny part is that the reinforcement girl ended up been jealous of the ktv girl and i had to step to split up the ‘fight’… oh… here we go again…. no novel….. ok. ok…we had a great time playing dice game and getting myself drunk! at one moment; i found myself playing the stupid 7,8,9 dice game with 4 girls and 2 kj. of course i was sitting in between the two kj and taking cheap advantage of caressing the two kjs and was caught by the ktv girls! they told me that i should leave them alone because they are kjs and not ktv girls. but imho: i will have to pay them tips and if they are not complaining…. why are the girls complaining? important part is that we all enjoyed the evening! yah… enjoyed the evening of getting myself drunk!

at 10pm, pointpanic aka waikiki bob and headway showed up and joint in the fun. nice meeting you guys! the evening ended with a total damage of 2600; inclusive of tips to the two kjs excluding the tips paid to the ktvs girls as each one of us paid our own girls. i believe all of us are so drunk that none of us brought any of the ktv girls out!

the drink we ordered were 4 bottles of absolute vodka package with water melon juice with the promotion of buy 3 get 1 free. we had some dinner. room price is marked at 1680 consumable.
blacklisted, pleasure dude and i broke off to the night market where they picked up two cuties and headed back to the hotel. i had my gf coming after her work at the foot massage at 3am.

enjoy!
ag

[Weelock]

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the whole process is not that scary as like what many had posted before. angel did tell me that before the cny, the police were raiding the places but this is normal every year. what's new? it’s a regular exercise during this time of the year in every city of china. now, after cny, life is stepping back and everything seems to go back to normal.

this year is a little different from all others years because of the olympics. i would bet there be more raids just before the olympics especially in beijing and shanghai. in beijing they already started to close some bars in preparation. like some other isg guy said, things will be normal after the olympics. southern china might be spared because it's far away from all the tourist up north.





so, i do not agree on the speculation that cp entertainment industry will die off. as long as there are people (especially non-locals - including non-local chinese) there will be a demand for entertainment trade. moreover, the hongkongers are feeding this industry for years in cp, will they move away or will the government let them move away? no.


it can happen, the cp adult entertainment can close. if you look at sha tsui, shenzhen, at its peek it had over 2500-3000 girls. i am counting all the girls in saunas, bbs, and ktvs. the gov’t said it was getting out of control and decided to close the whole area. it was may favor place for girls. now, it’s only about 20% of what it was before.

if cp adult entertainment gets too big or too much publicity, the gov't will tone it down or close it down too just like sha tsui.

[Ace Gallant]

Field status reports: (Sunday)
In our 3pm rounds; the BBSs are fully stocked.
In our 5pm rounds; the BBSs are fully stock as well but there are changes of face (girls) as compared to the 3pm rounds. - Different batch of girls?

Did a grand tour of the Catacomb for Blacklisted at 8pm; we saw only one girl out for work (Day off?). But there are many girls at the Skating Rink. And I noticed a few familiar faces of girls that are working at the catacombs walking back to their little work place.

Will explore the Night Market later tonight.

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

this year is a little different from all others years because of the olympics. i would bet there be more raids just before the olympics especially in beijing and shanghai. in beijing there already started to close some bars in preparation. like some other isg said, things will be normal after the olympics. southern china might be spared because it's far away from all the tourist up north.

as you said; cp is in the south is the affect might not be that great. however based on this few days my experience in cp, i am very sure the raids are the usual raids conducted between the year ends and before cny. every year is the same and i don't think this year, last year or the year before is any different. as for the olympics, i agree it does have a little effect on this trade but down south or in small towns; i don't think this is going to be the justification for the raids.


it can happen, the cp adult entertainment can close. if you look at sha tsui, shenzhen, at its peek it had over 2500-3000 girls. i am counting all the girls in saunas, bbs, and ktvs. the gov’t said it was getting out of control and decided to close the whole area. it was may favor place for girls. now, it’s only about 20% of what it was before.

if cp adult entertainment gets too big, the gov't will tone it down or close it down too just like sha tsui.

if you read the local newspapers; the main reason of the sha tsui raid is caused by complains from members of the local public and also news of sha tsui been circulated overseas. unfortunately we are also guilty of spread the news outside china. and the worst was a video by a certain foreigner of sha tsui in action. this causes great embarrassment to the chinese government and the chief of police in shenzhen that he decided to shut it down. however as mentioned the local news, the way he execute the shutdown was totally wrong (parading the offenders in the public) which cause even more embarrassment to chinese government and also invited a lot of criticism from local chinese as well. the effect was so bad the beijing central government had to remove the shenzhen chief of police and the whole team of police who conducted the parade.
the activities in cp had been known to the local government for a long time. as a matter of facts; as told by the locals; in year 2000; the government tried to completely shutdown this trade in cp. the towns lost almost 60% – 70% of their foreign revenue and the effect was so bad that banks starts to close down as well and the town almost went bankrupt!
imho: if they want to shutdown this trade in cp, they could have done it at that time and stop the trade completely, why wait till now? besides, in mine these two years of mongering out in cp, i did not see the entertainment industry getting bigger. there are growths, but not as describe by some people on the board that it justify a full shutdown. besides, after what had happened in year 2000 and what had happened in sha tsui, i don’t think anyone in the dg or guangdong government would be that bold enough to take the risk. who would wants to bare this responsibility? so; i still think that it is only a speculation that cp entertainment trade is dying. maybe these speculators are just trying to detour newbies traffic away from cp because he just wants to keep cp to himself?

enjoy!
ag

[Dan Hawaii]

se asia joe, blacklisted,pleassure dude, santa, tightway turned up at the peninsula ktv at 1830 as we were told that we should do this before 7 to get to best girls.

the ktv's looks small from the main lobby but we were told that 90% of the spaces are used for the rooms. there are 100+ of rooms we were told. we lost santa to the crowd of girls while we had been lead to the new wing's vip rooms on the 13th floor of the building. se asia joe had to go back into the "sea" of girls to pull him out; fortunately before he got strip naked and raped to death by the girls..... oh man.... sorry; a bit too dramatic; i have constantly remind myself that i am not try to write a novel here....what i am trying to put through was; the mummies are doing their round of bringing the girls through the crowded corridor. there must of at least 15 girls per mummy in each group. i was told there are 80 mummies (girls managers) in the ktv.
the vip rooms are all on the 13th floor of the b wing. each room is about 25sqm in size with attached toilet. the only problem i see with the setup is that the rooms are on 13th floor and in a different wing of the hotel, therefore the first thing that came to my mind is that although these are vip rooms the mummies will have to bring the girls on a long walk to get to our rooms, and therefore stopping along the way to the other rooms. by the time they get to our room, all the nice ones are gone! speaking to my buddy the gr manager; kevin on this; he assured me that this will not happens as all the mummies will have to make the 13th floor the first stop before going to the other rooms. just before he could finished speaking; a mummy showed up with our first line-up of 10 girls.
the guys and i had a good time going through at least 15 line ups throughout the night. even 2 hours later (9pm) the mummies were still bringing line ups of girls. so it seems that there are enough girls to go around on a saturday evening.

se asia joe had to disappear for 3 hours to meet and fuck a freebie! and santa… disappeared without giving prior notice??? tightway; initially did not like the girl he had chosen, or rather he did asked me for my opinion on a choice of 2 girls he had picked and ended up the one i recommended, he said is a bit boring. so he called in his own re-enforcement of his own girl (from i don’t know where???). but the funny part is that the reinforcement girl ended up been jealous of the ktv girl and i had to step to split up the ‘fight’… oh… here we go again…. no novel….. ok. ok…we had a great time playing dice game and getting myself drunk! at one moment; i found myself playing the stupid 7,8,9 dice game with 4 girls and 2 kj. of course i was sitting in between the two kj and taking cheap advantage of caressing the two kjs and was caught by the ktv girls! they told me that i should leave them alone because they are kjs and not ktv girls. but imho: i will have to pay them tips and if they are not complaining…. why are the girls complaining? important part is that we all enjoyed the evening! yah… enjoyed the evening of getting myself drunk!

at 10pm, pointpanic aka waikiki bob and headway showed up and joint in the fun. nice meeting you guys! the evening ended with a total damage of 2600; inclusive of tips to the two kjs excluding the tips paid to the ktvs girls as each one of us paid our own girls. i believe all of us are so drunk that none of us brought any of the ktv girls out!

the drink we ordered were 4 bottles of absolute vodka package with water melon juice with the promotion of buy 3 get 1 free. we had some dinner. room price is marked at 1680 consumable.
blacklisted, pleasure dude and i broke off to the night market where they picked up two cuties and headed back to the hotel. i had my gf coming after her work at the foot massage at 3am.

enjoy!
ag
sounds like a party i wanted to be at. i can just imagine. but nobody took a ktv girl home. that's hard to imagine. great posting ag, made my mind at ease about the bbs action. i want to show my newbie friend that china is better than phillipines. he always tells me, "i'm going down!" and i just laugh in his face. hahahah. anyways, got confirmed air tickets, arriving in cp on march 27 and leaving april 8, hope you still will be in town.

in january, was damn cold, and we never even attempted the bbs action. just stuck with ktvs and saunas. seems even during cny crackdowns, these places were untouchable.

as for you year 2000 expalnation, you were right on the money. 100% completely agree with you. i was there on that dreadful year, and i was like wtf!!!! made me so sad, what a very sad day... i thought cp was gone forever. but yeah, things got back to normal, that was one of the happiest days. i think it even helped out the industry. now everyone knows how important this industry is to cp, that now, the industry can flourish without inconspicuousness.

btw, did you ever get to do bi bi at lion ktv? i asked for her last january and nobody seemed to remember her??? even "hot mommy" was not there. but there was this really hot ktv girl, damn hot,.... arggg i'm so stupid, i "brought sand to the beach", so my uncle took her. shit. never bring sand to the beach. i regret it, but my sand was hot and gave great service. i mean, we were like rabits. hahaha. she was from amazon ktv. i miss her and will call her this march.

[SE Asia Joe]

Sounds like a party I wanted to be at. I can just imagine. But nobody took a ktv girl home. That's hard to imagine. .
WRONG - Tightway and I each took a girl. AG suggested the Night market switcheroo but I was just couldn't be bothered. I always say one bird in hand is...
Actually all night I really had my eyes on tightway's gal - but I thank my lucky stars I didn't have the opportunity to do anything about it as it WAS his girl! You see, according to tightway next day - his was just lousy! Me - I made off like a thief. Mine was GREAT with a capital G!!! Every part of her I touch seems to be..... G spots!!!!
SEAJ

[Ace Gallant]

WRONG - Tightway and I each took a girl. AG suggested the Night market switcheroo but I was just couldn't be bothered. I always say one bird in hand is...
Actually all night I really had my eyes on tightway's gal - but I thank my lucky stars I didn't have the opportunity to do anything about it as it WAS his girl! You see, according to tightway next day - his was just lousy! Me - I made off like a thief. Mine was GREAT with a capital G!!! Every part of her I touch seems to be..... G spots!!!!
SEAJ

Nah....I did not suggested the Night Market, Blacklisted and Pleasure dude want to try their luck. I go with the gang...don't I always do? The gang do not take any girls from the KTV, I will ditch my girls to go with the gang....One bird? No...! that night I had 3 birds and apart from the two KJs! But as you said... I was fucking drunk that night even to find the pussy hole it will be difficult for me!


SE Asia Joe, we left before you guys so I have no ideal where and what happened.

Enjoy!
AG

[Gz Boy]

Wow, 2600rmb for the KTV room for all of you guys drinking? Thats pretty cheap. Did you get the fruit and snacks for free? Are the KTVs in CP much cheaper that say Crown Prince?

It sounds like you guys had a great time! I'm looking forward to visiting CP again as soon as I can. Maybe some of you guys will be around in the middle of April.

Have any of you been to Royal Garden KTV?

[Ace Gallant]

BTW, did you ever get to do Bi Bi at Lion ktv? I asked for her last January and nobody seemed to remember her??? Even "Hot Mommy" was not there. But there was this really hot ktv girl, damn hot,.... Arggg I'm so stupid, I "brought sand to the beach", so my uncle took her. Shit. Never bring sand to the beach. I regret it, but my sand was hot and gave great service. I mean, we were like rabits. hahaha. She was from Amazon ktv. I miss her and will call her this March.

Oh Yah... I actually did, in one of my later trips in Nov is had her.... She's hot but.... once on the bed.... nah.... no performance... regret in getting her drunk that night! Dam stupid huh?

Now as SE Asia Joe said... we are just a bunch of wankers... first we get ourselves too drunk to even get it up, and second we even got the girls so drunk that they don't even fuck well!!!

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Wow, 2600rmb for the KTV room for all of you guys drinking? Thats pretty cheap. Did you get the fruit and snacks for free? Are the KTVs in CP much cheaper that say Crown Prince?

It sounds like you guys had a great time! I'm looking forward to visiting CP again as soon as I can. Maybe some of you guys will be around in the middle of April.

Have any of you been to Royal Garden KTV?

I do not know where you are coming from, but YES the total cost is only 2190+ the tips to the KJs were 200 each making it it around 2600. Each one of us paid the sitting fees of 200 each to their girls. Normally if you go to KTV in CP where you know the Managers or if you are the regulars to the KTV, you would find that your bill is normally at a discounted price.

Crown Prince is another animal all together.

BTW: You started off sounding very much like an old flaming friend we all know in GZ.

Enjoy!
AG

[Gz Boy]

Sorry but I'm not the flaming friend you are talking about. I'm here for fun and info exchange. If I want to argue with someone, I'll talk to my wife. hehe.

Do you guys have any names and numbers of the managers for some of the more fun KTVs in CP? Maybe if I bood through them I can make sure there is some kinda discount. The friends that first took me to KTV in Dongguan always stuck to Prince and Windsor Hotel KTVs and they were fairly expensive as it was usually only 3-4 guys and we would go every night for a week. Last year we stuck to Goodview for the whole week because of business and its also quite expensive over there.

What order would you guys rate the KTVs in CP for the following?

1. Girls (most important)
2. How nice are the KTV rooms
3. Best service/value

Here is my list so far.

Girls
1. Prince
2. Goodview
3. Royal garden
4. Windsor Hotel (Jaguar)
5. Amazon (got there late so maybe I didn't the better girls who were already picked)

I find this category really varies every 6months or so but Prince usually has the most girls.

KTV rooms
1. Royal Garden (very modern and nice)
2. Goodview
3. Prince (getting a little old)
4. Windsor
5. Amazon (needed renovations, some rooms had China style washrooms)

Best Service/Value
1. Windsor
2. Prince
3. Goodview
4. Amazon
5. Royal Garden (good service but expensive)

Interested in seeing what some of you guys think of this list and how your list differs.

Cheers

[Ace Gallant]

I'm here for fun and info exchange.

Interested in seeing what some of you guys think of this list and how your list differs.

Cheers

Great!

That's a good list, why not you start off first by giving your views and manager's numbers of those that you had been already. I am sure after your had given your inputs other member will be more willing to exchange info with you by posting their opinion and info.

Enjoy!
AG

BTW: "If I want to argue with someone, I'll talk to my wife." I fully agree; female are strange animals.

[Ace Gallant]

Field Report:

The BBSs at Yalan are:

Today Sunday (Long Easter Holidays in Hongkong)

2pm : Where have all the flowers gone????
3pm : Half the regular amount of girls just turn up for work.
4pm : Fully Stock
6pm : Fully Stock
8pm : Half Inventory out.
10pm : Sliver Star: sold out, Jojo's: a few remaining, Baby's 10 girls left
12am : BBS either all sold out or the girls went home. Night market in action.

KTVs still have room available even at 9pm.

CP is packed with HongKongers and It seems that some tour buses with loads of Malaysian tourist just came in today!

Hui Mei Footie is also packed!

further reports later.

Enjoy!
AG

[Gz Boy]

I would be the first to give up useful contact info but as I go only twice a year to CP the names and numbers I have are usually useless when I come back again 6 months later. In addition, I have to destroy all traces of these activities before I go home. But I'll try to post the info from my upcoming April trip and post any good contacts I meet.

I did notice that the management at Royal Garden was very very accommodating, giving free food and drinks without us asking. It could be that they are still trying to lure steady clients there as it is a little out of the way and a little more expensive girl wise. I also agree that you are much more likely to get food and drink comps from booking with the managers than the mommies. Gotta get good value for every dollar/rmb spent playing.

GZ

[Ace Gallant]

In my visit to Baby's BBS, I had found that, there are a numbers of New girls in hers BBS. Ratio of New vs Old: 1 to 1

I took one for a quickie at 6pm and a double for overnight.

As they are all new girls; their service is just average but however; I think after my "Training" last night, the doubles I took should be OK. Whilst the one I did for quickie, needs a little more training.

Will provide their names later... after I figure out who is who because I got their numbers and name mix up on my cell!

Enjoy!
AG

[Pleasure Dude]

Hey AG,

Will you be in CP end of April during the Canton fair? I might fly out there for a few days to visit the fair and also some friends. I can't wait to go back there. It is so BORING here at home. Any luck with that breakfast waitress?

PD


In my visit to Baby's BBS, I had found that, there are a numbers of New girls in hers BBS. Ratio of New vs Old: 1 to 1

I took one for a quickie at 6pm and a double for overnight.

As they are all new girls; their service is just average but however; I think after my "Training" last night, the doubles I took should be OK. Whilst the one I did for quickie, needs a little more training.

Will provide their names later... after I figure out who is who because I got their numbers and name mix up on my cell!

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Hey AG,

Will you be in CP end of April during the Canton fair? I might fly out there for a few days to visit the fair and also some friends. I can't wait to go back there. It is so BORING here at home. Any luck with that breakfast waitress?

PD

PD,

Not sure whether I'll be there but let's keep in touch via PM. If you want me to book the rooms for you, please let me know early, as the Canton Fair, the rooms are been booked up quickly. The rooms during that period at Peninsula are 298 flat. (both on Weekends and Weekdays)

As for the waitress.... I was only in CP for 1 days but.....hahaha... she is mine!!!! I don't want to post about her as been my freebie because that will sound like I am bragging. She has great body except she is only a A cups and totally no skills! And guess what? She even has a BF! Yet, another one who are in the queue of coming to Shanghai with me!

Enjoy!
AG

[SE Asia Joe]

. Normally if you go to KTV in CP where you know the Managers or if you are the regulars to the KTV, you would find that your bill is normally at a discounted price.

Crown Prince is another animal all together.

Enjoy!
AG
AG - you're probably correct in stating this - but I also know that the opposite could also be true.

What am I talking about? Well, its that old thing in Asia about establishment managers/owners thinking that since the customer is giving him/her face by specifically contacting them, that they could afford to pad the bill a bit.
Once a Momma is "familiar' with you, they many times take advantage of your good nature and take it for granted that they can add this or that and invite some of their colleagues or even other regular customers to come to YOUR room and have a drink.
Remember that these mommas/manager/s/DJ's are there to do one thing and that is to make money and they don't really care about "long term relationship - especially in a place like CP where they know damn good and well that you are NOT a long staying local/regular..... and they will always opt for the short term gain...
Even if already buddy buddy with these people - ALWAYS reiterate what you expect and make sure the charges are spelled out clearly. Saves problems at bill paying time - pl;us establish with them that you ain't no sucker
SE Asia Joe

[Ace Gallant]

AG - you're probably correct in stating this - but I also know that the opposite could also be true.

What am I talking about? Well, its that old thing in Asia about establishment managers/owners thinking that since the customer is giving him/her face by specifically contacting them, that they could afford to pad the bill a bit.
Once a Momma is "familiar' with you, they many times take advantage of your good nature and take it for granted that they can add this or that and invite some of their colleagues or even other regular customers to come to YOUR room and have a drink.
Remember that these mommas/manager/s/DJ's are there to do one thing and that is to make money and they don't really care about "long term relationship - especially in a place like CP where they know damn good and well that you are NOT a long staying local/regular..... and they will always opt for the short term gain...
Even if already buddy buddy with these people - ALWAYS reiterate what you expect and make sure the charges are spelled out clearly. Saves problems at bill paying time - pl;us establish with them that you ain't no sucker
SE Asia Joe

You are correct as well.... as I had said it many times before; "In this trade; there is no such thing as a Personal Friend.... it is all about Money.... it is fine if you try to buddy buddy with any one of the Managers/Mommy/DJ/KJ/Pimps/etc.... they likely to give you some discount here and there, give you free snacks, extra fruit plates, and most important of all.... make sure the KTV do not ripped you off by putting things that you never order into your bill. But it is all about money, they hope that you will constantly come back, refer friend to book rooms from them, etc, etc. I remembered someone posted that you have to even tip the managers of the KTV after paying the bill which I recalled one of the Managers I met for the first time refusing my tips as I was referred to him by another Manager I knew. Also with the KJs I am familiar with, they would stop the girls from ordering drinks or food without your permission. But that about all you get.

You do not support them that well, or you try not to pay the bill.... you see what will happen to you? It all about money.....

BTW: Those snacks, extra fruits plates that you get.... they are paid for by the Managers but at a discounted price of course!.... each room with minimum charge of 400RMB is entitled with only one Fruit Plate. For the bigger room of 800 and above; 2 fruit plates, if you get more; it coming out of the Manager's pocket.

Enjoy!
AG

[AsnDragon]

ACe,

Baby does have some new girls. One of them use to be at Miraton KTV working and then jumped ship over to Baby's BBS. Baby always seems to get the most unique girls. I hear that sometimes she goes to different KTVs to recruit some of the girls over to her Shop. She probably one of the more honest mommies out there in CP.

In addition, there's that really short Hunan girl, but she's got big knockers, not too sure if you got her that night u were there.

After reading your posts and an most definitely shocked at how much experience you have. I am impressed, how long have you been in this trade?

The Best

AsnDragon


In my visit to Baby's BBS, I had found that, there are a numbers of New girls in hers BBS. Ratio of New vs Old: 1 to 1

I took one for a quickie at 6pm and a double for overnight.

As they are all new girls; their service is just average but however; I think after my "Training" last night, the doubles I took should be OK. Whilst the one I did for quickie, needs a little more training.

Will provide their names later... after I figure out who is who because I got their numbers and name mix up on my cell!

Enjoy!
AG

[Dan Hawaii]

I have been hitting up the BBS and they are basically all open for business. Mommies out in full force and as aggresive as ever. I have seen familiar faces and some new runners/mommies. But the best thing about it is that the girls are mostly new and unfamiliar. That being said...

It seems that different Yalan BBS are fully stocked at different times.

Sunday and Monday....
At 3pm:
Babys - 1/2 stock or 20 girls
Swan Lake - 4/5 stock 35 girls
Jojo's 1/2 stock 12 girls
Hui Mei Alleys 4/5 stock

At 5:30 -6pm
Jojos and "the 3 Room - Green door" bbs was empty 1/8 full
Swan Lake 1/2 stock or 20 girls
Babys 4/5 full or 35 girls
5th floor behind restaurant 4/5 stock with 25 girls

The point here is.... don't get discouraged if a couple of BBS's are empty, others maybe fully stocked. And if you are really late, there is always the night market.

As for quality, I don't want to go there, because "to each there own". All I can say is that I took 2 girls from Hui Mei and they restored my faith for those BBS's. They were from the same province so they were not talking mandarin. Sounded neat and would defineately take them 2 again. They were "sisters" haha, just meant they came from the same area. They were real bubbly and playful, with legs to die for.

The night market is still happening at 3am, wow!!!

[Dan Hawaii]

Yo, heads up to everyone. My friends and I were walking down the main road from Yalan to Swan Lake and bam.... A couple of guys on one motorcycle tried to yank my friends gold chain off. Luckily they missed the chain, but my friend ended up with some scratches on his neck from the guys' finger nails.

So this is how they do it. 2 guys on a motorcyle. One guy gets off the motorcycle and runs to the victim to try to steal whatever, chain, purse, watch, while the other guy is still on the motorcyle (the get away vehicle).

Please be careful out there. I heard in Vietnam it is the same story, but they rip things off other motorcycle riders. Which can end up deadly if someone falls off.

[Dan Hawaii]

Damn, we wanted to go to Amazon KTV last night but it was closed, to what looks like renovation. We had great attitude girls and good talent there last January, quantity was low, but quality was awesome. It was right before CNY, only had about 40 girls, but we all were happy with our picks. I was really surprised. We was all bummed out, talking to the mommy, beforehand. I was like lets get out of here then. But luckily we decided to stay. The girls was so good that I kept mines for 2 days straight and my other friend kept his for 3 or 4 days straight. I think he would have kept her a couple more days if we did not have to catch the airplane.

The place was empty, I think we were the only guys there.

[Dan Hawaii]

I must say that the past experiences at GoodView left me hanging. I did not plan on going there again. But my friend, Mr. AsianBleu, said come on down, me and my friends are like VIP here. I mean, I would believe this guy if he said he saw a cow fly, that's how straight forward he is and he does not bullshit around. So I asked the boys if they wanted to go and we went.

And all I can say is WOW!! We had so much fun there that we went a total of 3 times and all of the times we and the girls had fun. One of my all time favorites was just discovered there. All my friends said that was the best ktv experience they had during our trip also.

I think it has a lot to do with who you go with. If you go with a couple of VIPs, all the girls know it because the mommies tell the girls not to fuck up and give these guys awesome GFE. I mean, these guys sit like 4-6 girls each. So its a 1 to 4 ratio of guys to girls. I mean, none of the girls seemed to be bored or wanted to be someplace else. It was just a full on party with 100% fun. Pretty much the dream/fantasy party for me, not only because of the party, but also because you get to take home one of the party girls for some bedroom partying. ;)

[SE Asia Joe]

....)
Hey Dan _ ALL GREAT POSTS!! sounds as if you guys really had a rocking good time. Pity that I couldn't have joined you guys last week..... Anyways..... perhaps next time!

Pls do me a favor - could you please summarize the charges (minimum/room/per dozen beer/2-5-8/actual bill etc) for the various KTV's you guys went to this time (and Value for money, quality etc etc if not too much trouble).

As I said in another thread - things SEEMS to have gone up in CP after the CNY, and it seems that these days, they're even trying to up the 2-5-8 charges. So a little heads up would be much appreciated.

Thanks
Joe

[Ace Gallant]

Ace,

Baby does have some new girls. One of them use to be at Miraton KTV working and then jumped ship over to Baby's BBS. Baby always seems to get the most unique girls. I hear that sometimes she goes to different KTVs to recruit some of the girls over to her Shop. She probably one of the more honest mommies out there in CP.


Baby is my Laopo as every mummy in Yalan knows that. Every girl she sent to me or I took from her, she will tell her "Service him properly, follow his instructions, don't do things he did not tell you to do. He is my Laogong." And the boss; would never fails to add in a few words; "Yes, he is our very good friend and customer, if he complains about you, you can forgot about working here!" Baby never fails to give me and my friends good girls. She is always honest to me about the performance of the girls, their age, their service etc.

She does knows a couple of KTVs managers whom would pass her some girls now and than, but most of the WGs in CP are source out for their hometown, factories and sometimes from the villages.

BTW: Baby used to be one of the WG also, but due to the fact that she was sooooo dam tomboyish that the bosses decided to make her a mummy.



In addition, there's that really short Hunan girl, but she's got big knockers, not too sure if you got her that night u were there.


I might had seen her or did her before. If you can tell me her name or PM me her cell# (if she have one) I reckon I would be able to know my searching my database. There are a few short hunan girls with big knockers in Baby's BBS. I am not too into Big Knockers so I might not have done her before.



After reading your posts and an most definitely shocked at how much experience you have. I am impressed, how long have you been in this trade?

The Best

AsnDragon

This trade? This hobby you meant?

Enjoy!
AG

[SE Asia Joe]

Baby is my Laopo as every mummy in Yalan knows that. Every girl she sent to me or I took from her, she will tell her "Service him properly, follow his instructions, don't do things he did not tell you to do. He is my Laogong."
THAT B..TCH!! She told ME that I was her Laogong! How dare she! I mean.... that is bigamy!! Damn Damn Damn!
What's that Tom? Dick? Harry? She told you the same??!!
Sh.t! Sh.t! Sh.t!
SEAJ

[Ace Gallant]

THAT B..TCH!! She told ME that I was her Laogong! How dare she! I mean.... that is bigamy!! Damn Damn Damn!
What's that Tom? Dick? Harry? She told you the same??!!
Sh.t! Sh.t! Sh.t!
SEAJ

Hahahahaha.... didn't I said before "Never trust the girls, especially the mummies, its all about money." Today I am her Laogong, 5 mins later, you walked out, another customer walks in and he she calls him Laogong.

Of course you may had known her since a couple of years back when she started as a Pro in that BBS she is working in currently. I only known her in since 2005.... what? 3 years already.... time really flies!!!

The girls will call anyone Laogong the moment you fucked her. By definitions; she has so many Laogong just like we have so many Laopo! hahahahaha...

Oh... sorry... again there are exceptions: I guess if mummy calls you a Personal Friend, than you must really be her one and only personal friend??? No??

BTW: She was a good fuck back than! But her virgin runner was even better!

Enjoy
AG

[SE Asia Joe]

Naaaaah.... actually I was just yanking your chain!

As you probably already know, I love doing that on guys that I know here - especially guys like you who always make it a point to show these gals how innocent and gullible you are, and go along with all their B.S..... and then forget the charade and write here as if it REALLY were true!!

Ahhhh.... the bliss of going along with their B.S. (Like as if any one of us REALLY care what THEY think or really feel; it's jsut a commercial transaction), having a make believe GFE/BFE relation, making everything all nice and pleasant. NICE!!

Just don't ever forget the REAL reality there ole man!

SEAJ






Hahahahaha.... didn't I said before "Never trust the girls, especially the mummies, its all about money." Today I am her Laogong, 5 mins later, you walked out, another customer walks in and he she calls him Laogong.

Of course you may had known her since a couple of years back when she started as a Pro in that BBS she is working in currently. I only known her in since 2005.... what? 3 years already.... time really flies!!!

The girls will call anyone Laogong the moment you fucked her. By definitions; she has so many Laogong just like we have so many Laopo! hahahahaha...

Oh... sorry... again there are exceptions: I guess if mummy calls you a Personal Friend, than you must really be her one and only personal friend??? No??

BTW: She was a good fuck back than! But her virgin runner was even better!

Enjoy
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Ahhhh.... the bliss of going along with their B.S. (Like as if any one of us REALLY care what THEY think or really feel; it's jsut a commercial transaction), having a make believe GFE/BFE relation, making everything all nice and pleasant. NICE!!

Just don't ever forget the REAL reality there ole man!

SEAJ

Well, as I had said and you had agreed; its all a business transaction, money is the key.

But my stand is, why not keep those "fake" GFE/BFE relations? We paid for it didn't we? It all comes in a package. Of course again there are some exceptions like REAL freebies. With those; I would be a little but more sensitive about it, I didn't want to hurt those more "sincere" girls.

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

AG - you really break me up!! Yassssiiiirrr!!! hahahaha!!
SEAJ

Man...! wasn't that fun?

Enjoy!
AG

[AsnDragon]

Ace,

I meant Hobby not trade. But if you ever opened up your own stable, i think that you would have the most "well trained" girls ever though.

It's surprising that Baby use to be a BBS girl? I could never have imagined her as one. I think she fares much better as a mommie, she is too tom-boyish to be a xiao jie.

It's funny xiao yen zi, the two sisters in Jojo's store, i actuall find the younger sister attractive and asked them if they would be willing to go out, and they actually said they will, but it'll be more expensive for them. Have you tried them out before?

AsnDragon


Baby is my Laopo as every mummy in Yalan knows that. Every girl she sent to me or I took from her, she will tell her "Service him properly, follow his instructions, don't do things he did not tell you to do. He is my Laogong." And the boss; would never fails to add in a few words; "Yes, he is our very good friend and customer, if he complains about you, you can forgot about working here!" Baby never fails to give me and my friends good girls. She is always honest to me about the performance of the girls, their age, their service etc.

She does knows a couple of KTVs managers whom would pass her some girls now and than, but most of the WGs in CP are source out for their hometown, factories and sometimes from the villages.

BTW: Baby used to be one of the WG also, but due to the fact that she was sooooo dam tomboyish that the bosses decided to make her a mummy.

I might had seen her or did her before. If you can tell me her name or PM me her cell# (if she have one) I reckon I would be able to know my searching my database. There are a few short hunan girls with big knockers in Baby's BBS. I am not too into Big Knockers so I might not have done her before.



This trade? This hobby you meant?

Enjoy!
AG

[Dan Hawaii]

The KTV prices are kind of unknown to me because the bill comes back in Chinese, but I'll try my best. In the order of most expensive:

Club NTT (New Dong Tai Entertainment Square), the druggy place, on my other posts, was the most expensive. Girls were 3-6-9 and 4-8-12. Beers were straight 38 rmb fees, no freebies. I guess if you are into drugs, you can go here, Jim Traveler, who I know and trust, says the girls are suppose to do the drugs with you. I believe it, because I went to club Xinde and the managers are the suppliers.

Crown Prince, beers and girls are 5 star expensive. I guess they have to pay for the show; last years show was better, was like Cirque du Soleil. The show now is just singing and magic. Different echelon of girl pricing ......2-5-8 (Red Tag); 3-6-9 (Green Tag); 3-6-10 (Blue Tag) or maybe 4-7-10. If the girls' hands are in front, they will not go out. Only the girls’ hands in back, they will go out.

Goodview, all girls are 2-5-8, except for the models, which are dressed in blue dresses with a big blue feather sticking out of their hair. They are sitting in front of the elevator. I don't know the prices for these girls, but they are not better looking, IMHO kind of ugly. They are just taller?? Beers are up there, but I think slightly cheaper than Crown Prince.

Hui Hua, beers are 35 rmb, buy 2 get one free. Girls are 2-5-8. Had lots of girls (300) on a Wednesday. Lots of 5-6 lookers with a little 7-8. Just got to get lucky.

Jia Yi, beers are a tad above average in price. Girls are 2-5-8. You need to buy a 35-rmb drink or snack for every girl, or the girl has to pay it on her own. We usually just buy snacks so everyone can eat it.

Peninsula was around average or slightly above in price. Girls are 2-5-8.

Hui Mei must be the average pricing for beers. Girls are all 2-5-8.

Lion; beers might be a little cheaper than average. Girls are 2-5-8.

PP is pretty cheap. Never been there but read a lot about the value from other posts.

As for quality, to each his own, bro.. I do not want to go there. Like Moody King of KTVs said, a ktv is a ktv. I can tell you about quantity, here are places that I think has over 300+ girls (in no specific order):

Hui Hua
GoodView
Jia Yi

The rest, maybe has less, than 300 girls.

As for the minimum, it all depends on what size rooms you desire. Crown Prince has a 1200 rmb room that could accomadate 5 men and their dates. There might be smaller rooms.

IMHO, pricing does matter, however, it is all realtive. What I'm saying is... as long as we are all having a great time, partying, and all have nice, fun, beautiful girls, then the pricing does not really matter. I rather pay 10 times as much for a fun, party atmosphere ktv party than for a boring sad ktv session. Like at Lion ktv, drama came up with one of the girls, the bill was cheap but the party was sad. At Goodview, the party was fun and happening, but the bill was expensive. Which place I rather go to and will be more memorable, of course Goodview.

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[Ace Gallant]

Crown Prince, beers and girls are 5 star expensive. I guess they have to pay for the show; last years show was better, was like Cirque du Soleil. The show now is just singing and magic. Different echelon of girl pricing ......2-5-8 (Red Tag); 3-6-9 (Green Tag); 3-6-10 (Blue Tag) or maybe 4-7-10. If the girls' hands are in front, they will not go out. Only the girls’ hands in back, they will go out.


Blue Tag 3-7-10
Hands in front = Having Period (Bullshit the girls are just choosy!) I had once seen a same girl came into my room twice, the first time, all of us including my White American friend had not taken any girls, she had her hands in front. Second time; an hour later, all my friends were with two girls and I was only one left choosing my second girl, she had her hand behind. Because I am ABC so I suppose she was choosy about going with non-Asian foreigner? Or she may had guess that I have small dickl? hahaha!



Goodview, all girls are 2-5-8, except for the models, which are dressed in blue dresses with a big blue feather sticking out of their hair. They are sitting in front of the elevator. I don't know the prices for these girls, but they are not better looking, IMHO kind of ugly. They are just taller?? Beers are up there, but I think slightly cheaper than Crown Prince.


And the price for the "Models" are 3-6-9.
IMHO: Taken one of the "models" once, taller does not means they fuck better.



Girls are 2-5-8. You need to buy a 35-rmb drink or snack for every girl, or the girl has to pay it on her own. We usually just buy snacks so everyone can eat it.


One drink for the girls is the house rules in which the girls have to make you buy or they buy on their own. If you have a good or familiar KJ, she will ask you or advise you it is not necessary.The girls can buy that on their own. I was told; 40% of the customers in Jia Yi had the girls buy on their own. For me, if I take the girl out, she can buy it on her own, if I had her for drinks only, I will buy her the house drink.

I never buy any snacks because I will always get my regular managers to write them off.

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Ace,

I meant Hobby not trade. But if you ever opened up your own stable, i think that you would have the most "well trained" girls ever though.

It's surprising that Baby use to be a BBS girl? I could never have imagined her as one. I think she fares much better as a mommie, she is too tom-boyish to be a xiao jie.

It's funny xiao yen zi, the two sisters in Jojo's store, i actuall find the younger sister attractive and asked them if they would be willing to go out, and they actually said they will, but it'll be more expensive for them. Have you tried them out before?

AsnDragon

AD,

Just some info to pass the hours:

I used to own a take-out bar in Tokyo for a year, and I used to own a chat bar in Philippines with the same concepts as Hooters. The take-out bar in Tokyo has a different concept in which; you go, pay for 4 hours of drinking and if you like the girls, you take them out. It is not a KTV, the bar is only about 500Sqft. At one time; some of the girls were living in my own house. Code of conduct in this trade; you do not do your own girls. Of course you are allow to "train" them. once or twice for the new or fresh girls. Owners of this type of bars in Tokyo knows each other and thus we would go drinking in each other's bars, take out girls from their bars. We also help out each other in a way that if on a busy night, we ran out of girls, we would call the other bar owners to "Borrow" their girls. Also, many a times, we exchange girls; the girls that works for me will move on to another bar from time too time. That way, it always looks as if we always have new girls in our bars and thus attract regular customers. Of course once the girl on longer work for me, I than, can bring her out from the other bar.

I remembered once I used to have this young beautiful Korean girl working in my bar but I can't do her because she was working for me. She came working for me as an experience WG so, training was not an excuse to do her either. You can imagine my feeling seeing her been taken out and fucked by different man every night when I cannot touch her! Man!! but my opportunity came when it's time for her to move on to other bar and I took her out on the first night she started working in my friend's bar!

Yah, the reason Baby was made a mummy was that she was so "unsellable" due to her tomboyish nature. BTW: She used to be on dope too!

Xiao Wen zhi or Angel is the elder sister of Jojo. But be careful on talking about Jojo. She is CPexpat "Personal Friend". I guess as his personal friend, he will protect her by all means and therefore I would always stay away from her. As for Angel; she is also one of my regular mummies that never fail to give me a supply of finest girls. After Sandy left her trade; end of last year, she took over Sandy's girls. Angel and Sandy were in a team together.

I don't usually like to do mummies, because I never had good service from them. Hey! most of them are not Pros before, how you expect them to give you good service and know what to do? Even when Baby was a Xiao Jie, she do not have much skills, back than she was a good fuck only because she was fucking tight and has lots of energy to follow through my training..... Oops! Dam!! I had to let the Cat out of the bag didn't I? Of course there a a number of mummies who was "promoted" to be a mummy and these will be the ones who are likely to give better service. A good example is OAH's 42D! For the BBS girls, I like those who were working in Saunas before. Man....! they do know what they are doing. Just name the position, they will switch before you could blink your eyes!

Enjoy!
AG

[SE Asia Joe]

The KTV prices are kind of unknown to me because the bill comes back in Chinese, but I'll try my best.

Dan -
Mucho gracias amigo - that list IS timely and going to be useful!

I've had KTV bills in CP ranging from a low of RMB150@ to as high as 600 per person but you're right - its all relative and the most imporant thing is of course if I enjoyed myself that night or not.

On the other hand, perhaps you could do us all a favor and advise how much per person you paid in those various KTV's you've been patronising. Cost per person ONLY for the Food/Drinks consumed and the shared KDJ cost. (KDJ do add up to the bill as different places insists on different ## of dj's).

thanks again
Joe

[AsnDragon]

First off Ace, I didn't know that you ad such businesses before. The more I know about you, the more I respect you. Did you get out of the trade already? Why would you give up such a great field?

Talking about Saunas, I love them. My favorite was back in 2004-2005 in Dongguan Tangxia, at sunshine hotel sauna. Her number was 1. She was the teacher and trainer for all the girls at the sauna there. In addition, she was so great at it, that the owner of sunshine hotel took her from another large hotel in Houjie. The owner had to pay her a big envelope in order to recruit her. She is the MOST amazing sauna girl. Dongbei girl from Shenyang. She was 5 feet 4. Skinny as ever everywhere and had size D firm tits.

She told me that most guys cannot stand not coming before they entered her pussy. She did techniques that other saunas have NEVER been able to come close to. She was erotic and dirty int he right ways to really turn you on. She even did one year extensive studies on the erogenous zones of men that turn them on, what blood vessels produce the best outcome for a strong exploding cum from a guy.

The best thing was, she loves sex, she admitted to being a nympho, so she enjoyed every part of it. She was the first Sauna girl that asked me to fuck her harder as hard as I could cause it turned her on.

She did all sorts of positions I've never seen before, she even did a toe sucking, anal caressing and dick caressing all at the same time. It was amazing. I don't think she still works there, but she was the most experienced and amazing sauna girl to date. I went there more than 5 times in 10 days, broke the wallet, but it was worth it. She said that " if you can't take it and are about to come before we even start having sex, tell me, I'll stop" she was that good.

She also said, "if you do many sessions with me, you will be the best lover ot there, I can teach you everything about a women and more" boy she did. My teacher. Haha

Wish she was still around.

AsnDragon


AD,

Just some info to pass the hours:

I used to own a take-out bar in Tokyo for a year, and I used to own a chat bar in Philippines with the same concepts as Hooters. The take-out bar in Tokyo has a different concept in which; you go, pay for 4 hours of drinking and if you like the girls, you take them out. It is not a KTV, the bar is only about 500Sqft. At one time; some of the girls were living in my own house. Code of conduct in this trade; you do not do your own girls. Of course you are allow to "train" them. once or twice for the new or fresh girls. Owners of this type of bars in Tokyo knows each other and thus we would go drinking in each other's bars, take out girls from their bars. We also help out each other in a way that if on a busy night, we ran out of girls, we would call the other bar owners to "Borrow" their girls. Also, many a times, we exchange girls; the girls that works for me will move on to another bar from time too time. That way, it always looks as if we always have new girls in our bars and thus attract regular customers. Of course once the girl on longer work for me, I than, can bring her out from the other bar.

I remembered once I used to have this young beautiful Korean girl working in my bar but I can't do her because she was working for me. She came working for me as an experience WG so, training was not an excuse to do her either. You can imagine my feeling seeing her been taken out and fucked by different man every night when I cannot touch her! Man!! but my opportunity came when it's time for her to move on to other bar and I took her out on the first night she started working in my friend's bar!

Yah, the reason Baby was made a mummy was that she was so "unsellable" due to her tomboyish nature. BTW: She used to be on dope too!

Xiao Wen zhi or Angel is the elder sister of Jojo. But be careful on talking about Jojo. She is CPexpat "Personal Friend". I guess as his personal friend, he will protect her by all means and therefore I would always stay away from her. As for Angel; she is also one of my regular mummies that never fail to give me a supply of finest girls. After Sandy left her trade; end of last year, she took over Sandy's girls. Angel and Sandy were in a team together.

I don't usually like to do mummies, because I never had good service from them. Hey! most of them are not Pros before, how you expect them to give you good service and know what to do? Even when Baby was a Xiao Jie, she do not have much skills, back than she was a good fuck only because she was fucking tight and has lots of energy to follow through my training..... Oops! Dam!! I had to let the Cat out of the bag didn't I? Of course there a a number of mummies who was "promoted" to be a mummy and these will be the ones who are likely to give better service. A good example is OAH's 42D! For the BBS girls, I like those who were working in Saunas before. Man....! they do know what they are doing. Just name the position, they will switch before you could blink your eyes!

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

First off Ace, I didn't know that you ad such businesses before. The more I know about you, the more I respect you. Did you get out of the trade already? Why would you give up such a great field?

She also said, "if you do many sessions with me, you will be the best lover ot there, I can teach you everything about a women and more" boy she did. My teacher. Haha

Wish she was still around.

AsnDragon

Well, I was not really into this trade as a businessman. What I meant was; I didn't want to start a business on Vice trade. The Bar in had in Philippines was purely business, I made my money out of the drinks and food. The girls (Waitresses) are just attractions for customer to come to my bar. Any extra service they get from the girls are strictly their own private business and had nothing to do with my Bar. Whilst the Take-out bar in Tokyo was because I was helping out a friend (the original owner of the bar). He was going bankrupt due to his bad gambling habits. I had known him starting as a customer of his bar. So, I took over his take-out bar.

I sold of the Bar in Philippines because it was so profitable. In Philippines corruption is even worst than China, if your business is profitable, the district government will give you trouble. I sold it off after one year, took my money and left before the district government stepped in. Unfortunately the guys whom bought over my bar, got into trouble 6 months later and the bar was closed one year after he took over. As for my take-out bar, I sold it mainly because I moved to China. It was a great trade to be in if you are going for the money, but not very nice to be called a pimp all the time! I am a legitimate businessman until I retired recently. I ran some legitimate businesses and I did got into this trade mainly for the purpose of helping my friend who was in trouble.

Wow... looks like you had yourself a great Sauna trainer. Although my preference of girls are 30 and below, I do like to try out girls that are highly recommended by my friend or members on the board. I like to benchmark on the skill sets of girls and who knows, I might even learn something new from them? On the other hand, I also love the challenge, by saying "if you do many sessions with me, you will be the best lover ot there, I can teach you everything about a women and more"... it really sound like a Challenge. Of course if by any chance I will pass by Tangxia Sunshine Sauna, I will make sure to check her out (like you said; if she is still around). Perhaps she can even unload me before she even started BJ on me? hahahaha!

Anyways.... looks like I might be in South China this weekend with my good buddy Wadman and another group of friend, PM me if you are around and perhaps we can meet and exchange war stories?

Enjoy!
AG
BTW: The best Sauna girl I had was one from Mongolia. She was working in a Sauna in Shanghai and after she quits, she became my freebie or just a fuck friend. She still hold the record best BBBJ and fuck among all my Sauna girlfriends.

[AsnDragon]

Ace,

Now that I thought about it, I should have gotten that sauna trainer in tangxia's phone number. Crap! I totally regret it, I think having some sessions with her after her retirement from the Sauna would have been good. I doubt that she's still working there, since it's been about 3-4 years already.

But, honestly, she did teach me some moves. She told me some of the erogenous zones for females, some parts in the thighs and feet that turn girls on. And I still use her moves until today. Can you believe it. Best teacher ever and. Her students longs for her.

AsnDragon


Well, I was not really into this trade as a businessman. What I meant was; I didn't want to start a business on Vice trade. The Bar in had in Philippines was purely business, I made my money out of the drinks and food. The girls (Waitresses) are just attractions for customer to come to my bar. Any extra service they get from the girls are strictly their own private business and had nothing to do with my Bar. Whilst the Take-out bar in Tokyo was because I was helping out a friend (the original owner of the bar). He was going bankrupt due to his bad gambling habits. I had known him starting as a customer of his bar. So, I took over his take-out bar.

I sold of the Bar in Philippines because it was so profitable. In Philippines corruption is even worst than China, if your business is profitable, the district government will give you trouble. I sold it off after one year, took my money and left before the district government stepped in. Unfortunately the guys whom bought over my bar, got into trouble 6 months later and the bar was closed one year after he took over. As for my take-out bar, I sold it mainly because I moved to China. It was a great trade to be in if you are going for the money, but not very nice to be called a pimp all the time! I am a legitimate businessman until I retired recently. I ran some legitimate businesses and I did got into this trade mainly for the purpose of helping my friend who was in trouble.

Wow... looks like you had yourself a great Sauna trainer. Although my preference of girls are 30 and below, I do like to try out girls that are highly recommended by my friend or members on the board. I like to benchmark on the skill sets of girls and who knows, I might even learn something new from them? On the other hand, I also love the challenge, by saying "if you do many sessions with me, you will be the best lover ot there, I can teach you everything about a women and more"... it really sound like a Challenge. Of course if by any chance I will pass by Tangxia Sunshine Sauna, I will make sure to check her out (like you said; if she is still around). Perhaps she can even unload me before she even started BJ on me? hahahaha!

Anyways.... looks like I might be in South China this weekend with my good buddy Wadman and another group of friend, PM me if you are around and perhaps we can meet and exchange war stories?

Enjoy!
AG
BTW: The best Sauna girl I had was one from Mongolia. She was working in a Sauna in Shanghai and after she quits, she became my freebie or just a fuck friend. She still hold the record best BBBJ and fuck among all my Sauna girlfriends.

[Soulman]

Got together with old timers AG, M and W (ISG alias of these senior members not disclosed for privacy) to very interesting KTV Sun night. Lot better than Tangxia's Good View KTV M and I went on Sat night.

"Naked" KTV is Star of Star Hitel in Chang An (towards Humen). They plaster the KTV entrance with girls modeling flight attendant uniforms. I understand the rates are typical DG 500 ST and 800 LT. Not a high end joint as room rate for overnight is only 60.

Girls with numbers on the left side takes their clothes off and right side do not. AG, M and W picked 2 girls each with of course left side numbers and girl I picked didn't make it to the room so I picked 1 cutie who looked like she was having a bad day.

All girls were given a little plastic bag to put bra and undie and somehow all 7 squeezed into the bathroom to take their underwear off.

One of W's date was slutty and nasty looking and center of gropings.. Bunch of girls pulled down his bottom too.

Chief Mommy walked in, lights dim and disco tune came on and YEAH girls took their clothes off. Oh yeah. Time for groping big time. I fingered Wadman's slutty date couple of times and she thought it was Wadman's fingers. LOL

We're given 1 freebie ST room and I took my date. Had a BAD lay the night before from take out girl in Seibu Sat night so didn't expect much BUT she was incredible...

She was a NYMPH and haven't had a lay like that in years. She put porn star to shame and no she wasn't acting (OK guys I know, OK?). I'd say it was my top 5 lay I've ever had... She kissed french and stuck her tongue out for licking me and tongue teasing. She had "musty" odor... She didn't want me to go down on her but let me after pumping for 30 mins and she just couldn't get enough! I tried porn moves excpet anal and she was so damn into it. She just could not get enough! She got me going for 50 mins and I jerked off while she was riding my tongue as I had to get back to the KTV room. I told her I want her as my 2nd wife in my broken Chinese... Been thinking about her all day. Damn, in Seoul now for few days on my way home but I wanna go back to Chang An!

Rare indeed and totally didn't expect it!

PS - Boys no PM or hassling for her numbers 'cos she's mine (except 3 others who partied together last night)

[Ace Gallant]

I understand the rates are typical DG 500 ST and 800 LT. Not a high end joint as room rate for overnight is only 60.


A little correction here soulman; the 2 hours hotel rate is 80RMB but because they gave us 2 hours free due to booking of KTV room, we can top up another 60 if we want to stay overnight.



Girls with numbers on the left side takes their clothes off and right side do not. AG, M and W picked 2 girls each with of course left side numbers and girl

Their left side but our right side when we are facing them.



All girls were given a little plastic bag to put bra and undie and somehow all 7 squeezed into the bathroom to take their underwear off.


Yah... I am still wondering why do they have to squeezed into the bathroom all at once?



Chief Mommy walked in, lights dim and disco tune came on and YEAH girls took their clothes off. Oh yeah. Time for groping big time. I fingered Wadman's slutty date couple of times and she thought it was Wadman's fingers. LOL


The naked dance is organized only after 10pm



We're given 1 freebie ST room and I took my date. Had a BAD lay the night before from take out girl in Seibu Sat night so didn't expect much BUT she was incredible...

She was a NYMPH and haven't had a lay like that in years. She put porn star to shame and no she wasn't acting (OK guys I know, OK?). I'd say it was my top 5 lay I've ever had... She kissed french and stuck her tongue out for licking me and tongue teasing. She had "musty" odor... She didn't want me to go down on her but let me after pumping for 30 mins and she just couldn't get enough! I tried porn moves excpet anal and she was so damn into it. She just could not get enough! She got me going for 50 mins and I jerked off while she was riding my tongue as I had to get back to the KTV room. I told her I want her as my 2nd wife in my broken Chinese... Been thinking about her all day. Damn, in Seoul now for few days on my way home but I wanna go back to Chang An!

Rare indeed and totally didn't expect it!

PS - Boys no PM or hassling for her numbers 'cos she's mine (except 3 others who partied together last night)

You forgot to tell the guys that you did wanted to take her back to Shenzhen with you! Lucky you did not bring her back, otherwise I bet you would had miss your flight!

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Ace,

Now that I thought about it, I should have gotten that sauna trainer in tangxia's phone number. Crap! I totally regret it, I think having some sessions with her after her retirement from the Sauna would have been good. I doubt that she's still working there, since it's been about 3-4 years already.

But, honestly, she did teach me some moves. She told me some of the erogenous zones for females, some parts in the thighs and feet that turn girls on. And I still use her moves until today. Can you believe it. Best teacher ever and. Her students longs for her.

AsnDragon

Too late anyways, don't cry over spilled milk.

For your info, in Japan there is am institute that teaches sex. They basically teach the girls how to be a porn star. Maybe she graduated from there?

Enjoy
AG

[SE Asia Joe]

A little correction here soulman; the 2 hours hotel rate is 80RMB but because they gave us 2 hours free due to booking of KTV room, we can top up another 60 if we want to stay overnight.

AG
I thought it was RMB 160 overnight. One S/T room was gratis - and if this needed to also be converted to overnite, it is another RMB 80.
It was last night anyway - but the room is really crappy!
SEAJ

[Ace Gallant]

I thought it was RMB 160 overnight. One S/T room was gratis - and if this needed to also be converted to overnite, it is another RMB 80.
It was last night anyway - but the room is really crappy!
SEAJ

That's not what our mummy told us.... she said 80 for the ST room and 60 extra for overnight making it 140 for overnight. for the twin bed room its 100 for ST and extra 80 for overnight.

Did she try to ripped you off?? but ripped you off over 20 RMB????

Yah... she did admit, "don't expect a 5 star hotel room"

Enjoy!
AG

[Wadman]

That's not what our mummy told us.... she said 80 for the ST room and 60 extra for overnight making it 140 for overnight. for the twin bed room its 100 for ST and extra 80 for overnight.

Did she try to ripped you off?? but ripped you off over 20 RMB????

Yah... she did admit, "don't expect a 5 star hotel room"

Enjoy!
AG

OK then,

Single room (1 bed) ST is 100, LT 160
Double room (2 smaller beds) LT is 180.

The rooms are OK, nothing great obviously at these prices.

I don't think the mommy would rip us off for 20 rmb. We went there again on Tuesday, and at one night point when Moody and me huddled with the mommy, she thought we were going to tip her. She said: "don't tip me! Bu yong xiao fei". How many mommies do you actually hear saying this?

Moody and me were in JiAn KTV in ChangAn a few weeks ago. Supposedly naked KTV too. Managers were pestering me for tips when we left. I have been to JiAn twice now, and both times it wasn't nearly as fun as the other one. Guess which one I will be going back to...

[Pleasure Dude]

Man, I miss out on one of the KTV experience with great friends by one week. How far is Chang An from CP? I will be arriving in CP next Monday. If any of the old timers listed below will be in town, please let me know. I haven't had the pleasure to meet M or W yet. If you are reading this post and will be in town, please pm me.

PD

[QUOTE=Soulman]Got together with old timers AG, M and W (ISG alias of these senior members not disclosed for privacy) to very interesting KTV Sun night. Lot better than Tangxia's Good View KTV M and I went on Sat night.

"Naked" KTV is Star of Star Hitel in Chang An (towards Humen). They plaster the KTV entrance with girls modeling flight attendant uniforms. I understand the rates are typical DG 500 ST and 800 LT. Not a high end joint as room rate for overnight is only 60.

[ABCinLA]

Its actually very hard to get to and remote. Probably a 150 rmb ride from CP but you got to find a car to take you. Then you should have at least 4 plus guys as the more the merrier; as each will have at least one or two girls to grope. Then if you do decide to go back to CP from there the girl will ask for more money so best to stay at the local hotel for the night. But IMHO its worth it for the fun atmosphere and room chemistry not higher girl quality (probably overall girl quality is a little bit better at a local CP KTV).


Man, I miss out on one of the KTV experience with great friends by one week. How far is Chang An from CP? I will be arriving in CP next Monday. If any of the old timers listed below will be in town, please let me know. I haven't had the pleasure to meet M or W yet. If you are reading this post and will be in town, please pm me.

PD

[QUOTE=Soulman]Got together with old timers AG, M and W (ISG alias of these senior members not disclosed for privacy) to very interesting KTV Sun night. Lot better than Tangxia's Good View KTV M and I went on Sat night.

"Naked" KTV is Star of Star Hitel in Chang An (towards Humen). They plaster the KTV entrance with girls modeling flight attendant uniforms. I understand the rates are typical DG 500 ST and 800 LT. Not a high end joint as room rate for overnight is only 60.

[Soulman]

PD,

Dude you've GOT TO do to the CA "naked" KTV! I PM'ed you the nymph's #. She is so damn worth it that I'd pay 400 RMB for ride thru DG CP to CA.

Cheers


Man, I miss out on one of the KTV experience with great friends by one week. How far is Chang An from CP? I will be arriving in CP next Monday. If any of the old timers listed below will be in town, please let me know. I haven't had the pleasure to meet M or W yet. If you are reading this post and will be in town, please pm me.

PD

[QUOTE=Soulman]Got together with old timers AG, M and W (ISG alias of these senior members not disclosed for privacy) to very interesting KTV Sun night. Lot better than Tangxia's Good View KTV M and I went on Sat night.

"Naked" KTV is Star of Star Hitel in Chang An (towards Humen). They plaster the KTV entrance with girls modeling flight attendant uniforms. I understand the rates are typical DG 500 ST and 800 LT. Not a high end joint as room rate for overnight is only 60.

[Soulman]

Hey WM,

Nice meeting you dude! Thanks for the translation help. Hey how was that wild date of yours? Was she wild in uh, you know? She wasn't that fat.

Dang I'm so jealous you and M went back already... Back home (where it's snowing heavily as I type now in Seattle!) thinking about wild night with the nymph and feeling depressed.


Cheers


OK then,
We went there again on Tuesday, and at one night point when Moody and me huddled with the mommy, she thought we were going to tip her. She said: "don't tip me! Bu yong xiao fei". How many mommies do you actually hear saying this?

Moody and me were in JiAn KTV in ChangAn a few weeks ago. Supposedly naked KTV too. Managers were pestering me for tips when we left. I have been to JiAn twice now, and both times it wasn't nearly as fun as the other one. Guess which one I will be going back to...

[Wadman]

Hey WM,

Nice meeting you dude! Thanks for the translation help. Hey how was that wild date of yours? Was she wild in uh, you know? She wasn't that fat.

Dang I'm so jealous you and M went back already... Back home (where it's snowing heavily as I type now in Seattle!) thinking about wild night with the nymph and feeling depressed.

Cheers


She was fat! Maybe not quite as fat as one of Moody's chicks, but she was fat! She was OK in the sack, not spectacular but OK. I would say 7/10 for service. But 7/10 + fat body = no repeat with her. She was fun in the KTV though.

[Ace Gallant]

For those who are interested, here are the train schedule to and from HK / CP / GZ => Shanghai.

http://www.cbw.com/business/exhib/cantonfair/train-ticket.htm

Enjoy!
AG

[Hcboy]

Hi Soulman,

Great report on Chang An ! Just a question though. I read the report trying to figure out where the KTV is located. You say that its in "Star of Star Hitel". Is that a typo ?

Can you repost the name of the hotel, and maybe its name in Chinese as well. Could you also share the mamasan's name and cell number.

Thanks alot !

[Ace Gallant]

Hi Soulman,

Great report on Chang An ! Just a question though. I read the report trying to figure out where the KTV is located. You say that its in "Star of Star Hitel". Is that a typo ?

Can you repost the name of the hotel, and maybe its name in Chinese as well. Could you also share the mamasan's name and cell number.

Thanks alot !

The Name is "Star of Star" Hotel/KTV it is at the edge of Humen and Chang An. about 20 mins from ChangAn town center.

You get on the cab and tell them "Xing Zhi Xing" 星之星。

For the number, send me a PM and I will reply you with the number.

Enjoy!
AG

[Chibi Asian]

Hi everyone,

I sort of joined this forum a few years ago and was sort of active for a while when i was still in beijing '06. Now i'm based and working in dongguan (men's heaven, hehehe) and as unbelievable as it sounds, i haven't thought to post anything here.

Anyway, I'm based in Dongguan, Dongcheng District.

The usual stuff I do here are:

1) Foot Massage
2) Sauna
3) KTV (though rare, only when there's overseas visitors or company outings)

Of those three, my favourite is of course being the sauna. Secondly being the foot massage. KTVs, I don't have that much experience as the other two, but been to a couple of those. Thankfully I know a local guy who started cruising dongguan even before I lost my virginity.

He's the first guy to show me what dongguan was "really like" when I first arrived here many yrs ago, as a wide eyed teenager. I still remember it like yesterday. We went to a foot massage parlour and he picked two chicks for me. I doubt he knew either of them. He just went by "auspicious" Chinese numbers and picked randomly. Two chicks came. And when he saw his, he immediately hugged her and groped her boobs.

Of course it's not hard to imagine my wide eye and gaping mouth staring at what I thought was blatant sexual harassment, and all he did (while still groping her) was look at me and say. "you can do the same to her too". That was the beginning of a wonderful initiation to this wonderful city, called Dongguan.

From him, I learnt that, foot massage chicks are actually very take-out-able. From there, I've even done some chicks in the room itself. Without locks and all. Fun and exciting.

So far, the best foot massage place in dg, I've encountered (in terms of girl's looks and uniform) is a place in dongcheng called Battiya. It doubles as a (real) spa and massage place too. The first level being the changing room + shower + sauna/steam rooms. Second level for foot massage and third level for body massage + HJ.

I've been to a couple of saunas around here and the furthest (and best) I've been to is in changping. Virgin hotel. And the other 2 hotels just beside it, though I haven't tried the biggest hotel which is just next to the main road.

But since it takes about 45 mins drive to and back (I hate the driving back part, especially after 2 hour of tiring session. It kills my legs), I tend to go somewhere close by around dongcheng or nancheng for my sauna needs.

One nearby sauna I'd like to recommend is the hotel just opposite of nancheng bus station. I can't remember the name. But its initials (which I saved in my phone) is J. L. Hotel. They even host catwalk shows every 7:00 or 7:30pm (but never had the chance to see) parading their girls around. And everyday a lucky winner gets free room or girl or both. Two hotels I know that's doing this is that hotel and Kai Xuan Men (great triumphal arch) Hotel that's at the G107 road at the dongguan end.

I've heard from my friends that the KTVs in CP are something else compared to dg or houjie. Been wanting to try, but unable to find suitable crew. And since those friends are based outside China and rarely come. I don't get much chance to do explore.

Anyways, just wanted to say Hi and make myself known to the dg people.

[Tristan44]

You will enter the main entrance of the sauna which is located in the right wing of the Hotel (different building though) (South).

It looks like a hotel reception. Usually, there is one person speaking English Tony, Peter, etc. They will offer several rooms rates.

660rmb, 398rmb, etc.

The service in this 2 rooms is basically the same and the lay out of the rooms is more or less the same.

In the 398rmb room the tip for the girls is 500rmb. Most of the them are slim and nice ranging from 6-7. 5 I have always find a nice one. They will introduce them to you 4 by 4.

In the 660rmb room you will be able to see them through a one way mirrow. And you will be able to see them 4 by 4 but in a faster way. The tip for the girls is 600, 800, 1500. Nevertheless, actually, I do not understand the pricing system since normally I like more the 500 and 600 girls than the 800. The 1500rmb girls are taller but fatter.

Have fun

[Wadman]

Holy Scheisse! At these prices there better be something special about the Crown Prince sauna! Is there? Can't be the looks, if you only rate girls about 6-7.

Minimum charge is 398+500 = 898.
Max is 660+1500 = 2160.

High end CP sauna is around 550-600 for room and girl.




The service in this 2 rooms is basically the same and the lay out of the rooms is more or less the same.

In the 398rmb room the tip for the girls is 500rmb. Most of the them are slim and nice ranging from 6-7. 5 I have always find a nice one. They will introduce them to you 4 by 4.

In the 660rmb room you will be able to see them through a one way mirrow. And you will be able to see them 4 by 4 but in a faster way. The tip for the girls is 600, 800, 1500. Nevertheless, actually, I do not understand the pricing system since normally I like more the 500 and 600 girls than the 800. The 1500rmb girls are taller but fatter.

Have fun

[Tristan44]

Those are the prices that are given to me. Maybe, they are fooling me.

The service is very good in Crown.

Nevertheless, I really like the girls in the Sheraton where the prices are 900 or 1100 total. Nevertheless, even the girls there look much better the service is not as good as in Crown Prince.

I have been in Miraton Sauna and actually by my standard the girls were not as good and the service average. The room was interesting though.

Probably, there are better places ratio quality/price but I do not know them yet.

[Moody]

Holy Scheisse! At these prices there better be something special about the Crown Prince sauna! Is there? Can't be the looks, if you only rate girls about 6-7.

Minimum charge is 398+500 = 898.
Max is 660+1500 = 2160.

High end CP sauna is around 550-600 for room and girl.

Rooms are bigger. One of the rooms I got had one of those gyno chairs. Not really my thing, but they have it. Girls are ok looking, on average probably better looking than in CP. Service is less hit and miss. My guess is that they have fairly strict discipline about poor service there. Its an ok place, but I wouldn't rate it substantially better than the HH or Virgin. Maybe a little bit. I think the Goodview and Royal Garden saunas also have similar prices. For some reason, sauna at big hotels in CP is cheaper than elsewhere. Typical cost is about 700-800 all in at most other big hotels out of CP. .

[Wadman]

Tristan,

I have heard from others about the high price at Crown Prince sauna too, so I wasn't doubting that part. What I wanted to know was what do you get for that kind of price. Better service, it seems.

Virgin (main building) and HuiHua are the 2 top rated saunas in CP. Never been to Crown Prince sauna, so I don't know how service compares.



Those are the prices that are given to me. Maybe, they are fooling me.

The service is very good in Crown.

Nevertheless, I really like the girls in the Sheraton where the prices are 900 or 1100 total. Nevertheless, even the girls there look much better the service is not as good as in Crown Prince.

I have been in Miraton Sauna and actually by my standard the girls were not as good and the service average. The room was interesting though.

Probably, there are better places ratio quality/price but I do not know them yet.

[Moody]

Nevertheless, I really like the girls in the Sheraton where the prices are 900 or 1100 total. Nevertheless, even the girls there look much better the service is not as good as in Crown Prince.


That seems high. Tips for girls there ranged 4/6/8, more or less depending on height. IIRC, the charge for the room was about 300. BTW, they have different types of girls. There are the girls in the lingerie and girls in sweatsuits. The girls in lingerie offer the typical sauna service offered at most places. The girls in the sweatsuits actually give you a real massage.

Personally, I liked the sauna at the Kande Club better than the Sheraton. If you don't know where it is, pop me a PM and I'll tell you how to get there from the Sheraton.

[Tristan44]

Well this is more or less what I meant. 600+300 and 800+300. I did not know that there were a 400+300 level.

What I do not really understand from the Sheraton -1 floor Sauna is why they make it so difficult to have a good time. The last 2 times I had almost demanded to be shown the good and nice girls!!!

[Moody]

I never had problems having them show me girls. The last time I was there I had the mommy show me and my friends about 60-70 girls. Unlike a lot of other places, the mommy doesn't try to push girls on you. As soon as you say "no" she goes and gets a new group.


Well this is more or less what I meant. 600+300 and 800+300. I did not know that there were a 400+300 level.

What I do not really understand from the Sheraton -1 floor Sauna is why they make it so difficult to have a good time. The last 2 times I had almost demanded to be shown the good and nice girls!!!

[Wapec]

Recently went to the Virgin Sauna on a service recommendation from a fellow monger. Had tried two others in the town so had a benchmark. IMHO Virgin came out last of the trio due to the rather cramped facilities. The gal was quite fun, had a good atitiude and we laughed about some of the odd parts of the routine they are trained to go thru.

Just my pov.


Tristan,

Virgin (main building) and HuiHua are the 2 top rated saunas in CP. Never been to Crown Prince sauna, so I don't know how service compares.

[Wadman]

Virgin sauna is too busy for their own good. Business is good there, and you know what happens next, quality slides.

As I have mentioned a few times now, if you go to the Virign sauna, go to the sauna in the MAIN BUILDING (inside Virgin hotel), not the separate building adjacent to it. Management will swear that there is no difference, but there is. Note: the main building and the separate building are connected by a sky bridge, so don't let them lead you to the separate one. Rooms in main building are 298 rmb (278 if you call ahead). Rooms in separate building are cheaper, around 240, forgot exact amount.

On Tuesday around 1 AM, I took a couple a buddies there. Did not partake myself as I have had 2 shots that day already. Lineups shown were 2-3 girls at a time. Girl quality was OK, nothing spectecular. Shown about 10 girls total. It took a while between lineups. Service was reported to be only so-so.

Despite the fact that I called ahead and booked 2 rooms, they said they only had 1 room in the main building (and would you like to use the cheaper rooms instead...?)

Virgin is into uniforms, they had Office Lady uniforms, nurses, stewardesses. Personally, I don't care much for this because the first thing that happens is the clothes come off anyway.

Overall, I think service standard in CP saunas is slipping. Just too many foreigners and ABCs patronizing the place. They don't know what the service SHOULD be, and hence don't complain when they get shortchanged. The girls clue in on this real quick. When you point out that they are skipping some steps, or rushing through them, they actually get bitchy.



Recently went to the Virgin Sauna on a service recommendation from a fellow monger. Had tried two others in the town so had a benchmark. IMHO Virgin came out last of the trio due to the rather cramped facilities. The gal was quite fun, had a good atitiude and we laughed about some of the odd parts of the routine they are trained to go thru.

Just my pov.

[Playboy2000]

The Name is "Star of Star" Hotel/KTV it is at the edge of Humen and Chang An. about 20 mins from ChangAn town center.

You get on the cab and tell them "Xing Zhi Xing" 星之星。

For the number, send me a PM and I will reply you with the number.

Enjoy!
AG

I did a little spying on the ******** forum. Burried in there, it is says that there are actually several strip KTVs:

For me, the KTVs in CA are the main attraction because not only are they cheaper than CP but the girls are not only a lot wilder, but also more fun and daring. You can play “strip crap game” by rolling two dices and everyone in the game gets to strip. Once you are fully stripped, then you are out of the game. The remaining ones continue until everyone is down to his/her birthday suit. Once everyone is fully stripped, then the clothes go back on again. The good thing is the game is completely voluntary. There is absolutely no pressure for anyone to join in.

“Strip crap game” is not only fun but it gives you, the consummate customer, the opportunity to check out the goods before you decide to buy. For this reason I suggest you pick at least two girls. The damage is 2-5-8, same as CP. When a certain piece of dance music is played, the lights are dimmed and all the girls are required to strip down and dance and the guys are welcomed to join in! What fun especially if you like me wants to check out the field and spot the WILD and HOT thoroughbreds! I went to three KTVs in CA- JiAn (twice), Shatou, and XingJiXing. Of the three, I think the first two are worth trying. The third is a bit far away and I think the girls are not as attractive. This, BTW, is only my own personal opinion.

Someone else wrote:

I have been to JiAn, JinSha(Not sure it is call SHATOU) KTV.
JiAn is a ktv with parade on the room.
JinSha KTV is that all the girls in the hall and you choose from there.
Anyway, all of the them are not allowed to wear bra.Yes, JiAn KTV, must ask for either 4/5 floor.

From Racetrack:

So my question to all of you ISG experts: has anyone been to JiAn or Shatou KTVs. It is seems that, like XingJiXing, they are naked KTVs. But closer to the center of Chang An? In any case, I will be in CP in early August; I hope I can find a few buds to check out one of these naked KTVs in CA, especially since I only speak a few hundred words of Mandarin and no Cantonese.

[Chibi Asian]

*AG, i hope that you don't mind that i also posted this in the other dg forum*

After chatting for a while with Wadman, i realized that i know 2 places in dg that actually offers catwalk of the sauna ladies for show (plus prizes for the guests too) before you actually pick them and boinking them.

It was my first time last night and was a pretty interesting event.

It's the typical sauna hotel, but at the 2nd floor, they specially set up a stage for these kind of events. The event starts everyday at 3pm and 7:30pm. It's a free for all (but i think you need to call the captain and tell them you're coming) and you dont need to be a vip or anything to attend.

Basically before the show starts, they line up (not on the stage) the A-grade ladies for every one to see. When the show starts, basically it's some old english songs (britney) or some weird chinese songs playing loudly at the background with dimmed lights and the chicks strutting their stuff on the stage 4-6 at at time.

Kind of like the typical catwalk that they come out in sixes and one by one they go down the catwalk and parade a bit, before going back to the back to stand a bit more until everyone in that group has finished strutting their stuff. Once finished, they go back to the backstage and followed by another group of ladies. The ones that come out first are the B-grade ladies.

After 20 or so ladies, there's a short intermission with a sort of "sexy dance" performed by what happened to be the lady that i picked for the day. After that short intermission, it's followed by the A-grade ladies.

Ok once everything is done, there's a prize giving show to the attending guests where all the chicks all come out on the stage and there's 5-6 standing in a row in front, each of them holding a balloon with a paper stating the prize inside.

Then there's the typical ballot and the host picking numbers. (When you enter, the captain will give you a piece of paper with the number and a stalk of rose. The rose is for her to give to the chick of your choice, and she will put it on her name tag, to say that "she's been picked".)

Anyhoo, the prizes for last night was.. a couple packs of cigs, a few bottles of wine, sour milk/yogurt (what i got, hahaha), and free exclusive room which would've costed 888rmb or something. Maybe i heard wrong, but i'm sure it's a free exclusive room. I heard that sometimes they even give free ladies to pick from or something.

Oh... how you pick the balloons is a pretty interesting thing. LOL.

You pick the girl. She will give the balloon to the host. And then you're supposed to carry her to the front of the stage. The next person must use a new way to carry her. So the later guys have to be creative. LOL. The next interesting thing is how you're supposed to break the balloons. You're supposed to put em between the two of you and PUSH really hard to break the balloon. And trust me, you have to push REALLY hard, cause it's one heck of a tough balloon.

The normal rooms if i'm not mistaken, cost 88 rmb, and they're really pretty decent. If i'm wrong, it costs 138rmb. Dont remember that well, but i think it's 88rmb. The exclusive room is 198 rmb or something.

But they're having a promotion if you buy 10 tix for the 198 room, you'll pay only 1380rmb for the whole thing and you become a VIP automatically. No time limit to use the tickets.

The benefit of being a VIP? You can come ANYTIME of the day and request the catwalk from all the available ladies from the stage. =) Plus, you'll be the only one there at the time too. I'm going back there tonight to pick a chick i saw last night which resembles brooke burke a lot!!!

The name of the hotel is Jun Lin Hotel. In terms of performance i'd have to say this is the closest thing to cp in dg that i've experienced, before cp went downhill.

The only other hotel sauna i know of in dg that does the catwalk is KaiXuanMen Hotel, but i've never been there personally.

For details of where they are, and phone number of the captain, feel free to send me a PM. (Though i might not reply before i come back to dg on the Mid-June)


P.S: when i thought i was supposed to go to CP last sunday it got cancelled, so i went to this hotel instead, and i found out about this coupon and experienced this catwalk thing for the first time.

[Ace Gallant]

*AG, i hope that you don't mind that i also posted this in the other dg forum*

P.S: when i thought i was supposed to go to CP last sunday it got cancelled, so i went to this hotel instead, and i found out about this coupon and experienced this catwalk thing for the first time.

As long as it is not fake information or antagonizing or bragging posts; you are welcome to post it here.

Those type of posts are more often found in the main board especially the DG and Shenzhen threads.

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Ace had a good time last two nights meeting up with old friends like Wadman, SE Joe, Santa and long time enemy; Bill Lee....hahahaha Just joking... , and a newbie to the board, "Mongoose"? Who fall into the "Young, handsome, restless" category. It was fun sharing wars stories again... especially listening to Mongoose telling us how he ended up punishing himself, by punching the hotel walls because the Pros he had did a bad job.

Nailed a couple of good Pros from Baby's shop, by far baby's shop has the most girls among all the BBSs in CP.

Had a good time with my GF from Huimei footie who will be moving to Shanghai to live with me for a period of time starting late July.

Ace is flying out today and likely to be back soon.

Enjoy!
AG

[Wadman]

Yeah, it was fun to hang out with the ISG crowd again. But fuck! I hate CP on weekends! Cheap room at Huayu hotel was 160 rmb instead of 130. Most BBS shops below 50% capacity, with the exception of Baby's shop. They had a full house there.

CP on the weekend is: higher hotel prices, trouble finding taxis, waiting times at restaurants and foot massage, fewer girls available, BBS girls in hurry to do ST, mommies not desperate for your business, and a whole lot more.

Second girl I took last night turned out to be a dud. Had her before a month back when she was working at Banyan tree BBSs. She has moved to Sandy/Jojo's shop. I usually don't repeat, but she was a lot of fun the first time. She said her head hurt and she was a bit dizzy. After about 10 minutes of BJ, she started feeling really sick. Turns out she went partying a few days before with "friends" (probably customer) and the guy slipped her some drugs. She said the guy slipped it into her drink, but she didn't sound very convincing, so I think she took it voluntarily. Anyway, after it became clear that she could not continue, I asked her to go home. Gave her 100 rmb out of pity. No fee to mommy as she come to my room directly.



Ace had a good time last two nights meeting up with old friends like Wadman, SE Joe, Santa and long time enemy; Bill Lee....hahahaha Just joking... , and a newbie to the board, "Mongoose"? Who fall into the "Young, handsome, restless" category. It was fun sharing wars stories again... especially listening to Mongoose telling us how he ended up punishing himself, by punching the hotel walls because the Pros he had did a bad job.

Nailed a couple of good Pros from Baby's shop, by far baby's shop has the most girls among all the BBSs in CP.

Had a good time with my GF from Huimei footie who will be moving to Shanghai to live with me for a period of time starting late July.

Ace is flying out today and likely to be back soon.

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

OK... I keep on getting PMs and SMS from you guys asking me for address of the naked KTV in Chang An. Here it is:

1) Ji An Hotel / KTV 集安酒店 (This one in downtown)
Chang An Lu chang 悵安路
Xing An industrial Park 新安工业园
Manager name: Wen Wen 文汶
13829167266

2） Star of Star Hotel 星之星酒店
(More fun but near the border of Humen and Chang An)
Xia Bian Shang Nan Lu 廈边上南路
Manager Name: 李紅 Li Hong
13433018555

Enjoy!
AG

[Playboy2000]

OK... I keep on getting PMs and SMS from you guys asking me for address of the naked KTV in Chang An. Here it is:

1) Ji An Hotel / KTV 集安酒店 (This one in downtown)
Chang An Lu chang 悵安路
Xing An industrial Park 新安工业园
Manager name: Wen Wen 文汶
13829167266

2） Star of Star Hotel 星之星酒店
(More fun but near the border of Humen and Chang An)
Xia Bian Shang Nan Lu 廈边上南路
Manager Name: 李紅 Li Hong
13433018555

Enjoy!
AG

Thanks! What about JinSha KTV ?

[Ace Gallant]

Thanks! What about JinSha KTV ?


Never been to that one, I was there for only 2 nights so I'd only been to those 2. Maybe you should ask those regulars like Wadman and Moody.

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

I was in CP with Pleasure Dude and decided try out the new Clipper Hotel KTV. Got on the phone and contract Sandy (Yah... the ex-Yalan BBS mummy whi had since left before CNY 2008 and started working as a mummy in clipper since May ). We invited SE Joe but skip on Santa and Bill Lee because they are not the KTV type. However did give us a courtesy visit at the beginning.

Clipper KTV rooms are reasonably nice, of course; because the fact it’s new! But the largest room is not in comparison with the largest room from Tao Yuan (Jia Yi) KTV. I would say it is about 10% smaller. But what can we complain about? It only cost 988 RMB compared to 1388 at Tao Yuan. There are at least 100 – 200 girls with a line of at the second floor’s lobby. But I tend to like it best in choosing my girls when the mummies brings them into our room ….. Yah… call me a sucker for personal service! Of course… beside the fact that Sandy had already pre-booked 2 girls of my type of liking. We ended up with 2 girls each for both Joe and P Dude.

At the initial stage they assigned two DJ to our room but I had rejected one of them as I told Sandy that it is not necessary as there are only 3 guests. Without objections; Sandy retain the DJ we all liked and told the other to leave. 30 minutes later, we were told that there is a DJ who would like to service our room free of charge as it is her first day on the job. However she worked hard and played along for the whole night and so I did not hesitant to gave her a tip of 200RMB too.

We had a great time through the night but had a little unhappiness when the bill arrive because Joe thinks that we had been ripped off. However both P.Dude and I looked at the bill and thinks otherwise. Below are the details of the bill:

Room Charge: 988
2 X Fried Rice noodles. = 36 X 2 = 72
1 X Fried Rice = 36 X 1 = 36
2 X Fruit plates = 128 X 2 = 256
4 X Snacks = 25 X 4 = 100
6 X 7 up = 5 X 20 = 100
Total before discount = 1552
After Discount 10% = 1398
2 X Tips to DJ = 200 X 2 = 400
Total included tips to DJ = 1798

Each of us pays 200 directly the girls for our girls who we did not take away. All 3 of us took out 1 girls of our choice.

Normally the room fees include consumables for both food and drinks but for Clipper, it is only on the Alcohol. This was stated out to us from the beginning. The only mistake which I made is; that I totally forgot about the alcohol consumable and ordered only 2 bottles of wines (buy 2 get 1 free) so in total we only had drunk 3 bottles of wines that night. The wine is suppose to be 288 each which comes up to only 576 and we are 472 short on the Room fees. (988 – 576 = 472) Could have order another bottle of Whisky or whatever…

Conclusion:

Both P.Dude and I had a great time. Joe is not happy by the fact that he had been ripped off on the food and fruit plate (400) in which Sandy repays us with a bottle of Red Wine (288) for the next day.

Enjoy
AG

[Ace Gallant]

About Sandy:

Besides the speculation that I had something to do with her, and the fact that there a couple of member in CP who simply hates her. She was pretty nice to me all along. She had never failed to reserve for me the best girls of my likings. I had been using her girls for over a year now and I do believe that if she wants to ripped me off, she would had done so a long time ago and it will not be only 300 – 400 RMB. Further details about Sandy would make me sound like I am defending her. (And yes to answer your question! I had a BJ from her before with one of her new girl as an understudy!)

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Hey AG - I know I know - I said that I was never gonna write on your boards as I ALWAYS seem to say the wrong thing here - but please bear with me - OK? (And jeez - please don't delete me...again!!!)
Please definitely note that I am NOT trying to say anything bad/derogatory/ridiculous about you - the specific target of my "wrath" is that bloody Sandy (and you got a BJ from her???!! OHMIGAWD....how did you keep it up???).

As far as ripping you off - well..... my humble opinion is that she IS the mommie from hell and that yes she DID rip you off - whilst you've been gallant to her all along. And that - to me - is the worst kind of rip-off.

As far as reserving her best gal is concerned - OK - you're probably right there - but one of her BEST 2 gals included Little pocket rocket Jo-er - all 4'9" of her!! I personally like her - lots - and she IS a blast - but let's face it - she ain't a 2-5-8 KTV gal material is she?? And that is what I am pointing out to - that Sandy's herd are just BBS quality at best.

As far as the charges are concerned - please refer to the main board where I detail out what the charges are and I'm very sure is more accurate. If you recall, I was the one who insisted to go thru the bill item per item whilst you were at the time quite embarrassed at my antics and sort of pooh-poohing it all away (I DO understand... You are the kind of guy who WOULD be embarrassed at such!!).

And by the way - IF you ever would invite me to ever join your KTV group (hope hope!) - howzabout we DON'T order wine....mixed with 7 up. I mean... that is such a sucky drink to be having the whole night. Beer, Vodka/soda or 7 up or even green tea, even straight red wine.... anything but wine mixed with 7 up!! OK?

And..... likewise.... enjoy... I know I did enjoy the evening with you and PD - it was just the suckee way that that Sandy treated you that pissed me off.

SEAJ

ps. If you think this is more appropriate on the main board, please advise me as I've already saved it and could easily move it there. Xie Xie

Uh..... Joe... I do not want to use the board to argue about little thing like these and I do appreciate the fact that you are watching out for me to ensure that Sandy will not ripped us off but.... below are my answers and let the matter rest after this:

1) No further comment on Sandy. Everyone has the rights to judge her for their own. For me; I am a strong believer of the fact the when dealing with Mummies, there are no such thing as "Personal Friendship" It is all about Money. Jeezzz... only a year ago, I was fighting on the board with CPexpat over this topic! On Whether did Sandy rip me off... read on..

2) Man....! The BJ is all because I was more interested in getting her new girl trained so that she can service all of us better!!! BTW: She is not the only mommy who had given me one and besides I am not the first one who had gotten a BJ from the mommies.

3) My previous post represents the bill which I had gotten Sandy to fax over yesterday. In the bill we had gotten that night there are a number of items like Satay, Coke etc.. and they had been taken off the list because they had to re-adjust the bill the absorb the discounts and write off they had given us. But beside the fact. Whether been embarrass or not, take it this way; 300 - 400 rip off? If I am the manager, I would set the rip off point at 1000 - 2000 not at 300 - 400. But besides; everyone knows that food, fruit plates and soft drinks are stuff in which all KTVs use to earn their profits. Putting aside the Room charges... I think 400 for the whole list of 7ups, Fruits, Food, Coke, Satay from a KTV, I don't think it is unreasonable is it? I think life is too short to get angry over 300 - 400... Just as you said... if you think it is a ripped off, just let it be... pay the amount and never go back again. 300 - 400 just to know the character of Sandy... or to know the character of the person... don't you think is well worth?

4) I had a hard time making a reservation for the rooms as it was Saturday night. I did initially ask for a large room in anticipating that another friend who bailed on us last minutes (Not his fault). By that time; there was no longer any mid-size room left. Sandy did told us to wait if we wanted to switch to a mid size room as there might be guest who had booked and not show up. But, both P.Dude and I did told Sandy just to forget it, we'll stay in our big size room as we will get lots of girls. So I just want to be fair here by stating out the facts.

5) On the Red Wine part, sorry I cannot please everyone, P.Dude is not much of a drinker and also I am in mood of fucking my girl to death that night, so I do not want to get out of the KTV with Blue Balls. As far as mixing part, HEY you wanker! Why didn’t you ask the DJ just to pour you those wine straight up? I don’t have to baby sit you do I? Oops!… sorry…. I was angry by the fact that you are not having fun with my new love …the DJ! Hahahaha…

For me; I don't think it is a ripped off because, I still think it is fairly reasonable price for a happy session at the KTV. Besides, I do not want to let 300 – 400 spoil the fun, nor am I prepared to let 300 – 400 defamed anyone of us in front of all these girls. Do you realize that all these girls, including the DJ (whom I am working on) are watching us? In their mind now… man… is this old man a cheap ass or what? Making a scene on petty little things like 300rmb???? I wanted to tell you to shut up at that moment but gave you the respect of a very senior member so that you will not be embarrass, but I do not know why you keep on going on and on…

OK … for those out there reading this, call me a BSD or whatever…. I don’t care! But for the extra 300 – 400 paid for been ripped off… Both P-Dude and I had enjoyed myself; I think it is worth it! Let's matter end here.

Dead and Buried. RIP!

Enjoy!
AG

[Pleasure Dude]

Well said AG. I 100% agreed with you. Why would anyone spoil all the fun at end of the night just for 300 or 400rmb? Give me a break. Dude, the price of the food is actually about the price I would pay in the U.S. and our food here doesn't taste as good. Just think of the mood you will set for the girl you are taking back.

At end of the night, I was planning to take my girl back to my room so I did not really want to drink too much. For me, I don't go to KTV to drink. I go there to have fun with the girls and maybe drink a few shots. As for the recommended girl from Sandy, give me a break Joe. All the girls in CP are going back and forth between KTV and BBS. I have seen ktvs girls at the night market and BBS. What is your point there? They are all wg. As for little pocket rocket Jo-e, she was bubbly and a lot of fun to play with at KTV.

PD


Uh..... Joe... I do not want to use the board to argue about little thing like these and I do appreciate the fact that you are watching out for me to ensure that Sandy will not ripped us off but.... below are my answers and let the matter rest after this:

1) No further comment on Sandy. Everyone has the rights to judge her for their own. For me; I am a strong believer of the fact the when dealing with Mummies, there are no such thing as "Personal Friendship" It is all about Money. Jeezzz... only a year ago, I was fighting on the board with CPexpat over this topic! On Whether did Sandy rip me off... read on..

2) Man....! The BJ is all because I was more interested in getting her new girl trained so that she can service all of us better!!! BTW: She is not the only mommy who had given me one and besides I am not the first one who had gotten a BJ from the mommies.

3) My previous post represents the bill which I had gotten Sandy to fax over yesterday. In the bill we had gotten that night there are a number of items like Satay, Coke etc.. and they had been taken off the list because they had to re-adjust the bill the absorb the discounts and write off they had given us. But beside the fact. Whether been embarrass or not, take it this way; 300 - 400 rip off? If I am the manager, I would set the rip off point at 1000 - 2000 not at 300 - 400. But besides; everyone knows that food, fruit plates and soft drinks are stuff in which all KTVs use to earn their profits. Putting aside the Room charges... I think 400 for the whole list of 7ups, Fruits, Food, Coke, Satay from a KTV, I don't think it is unreasonable is it? I think life is too short to get angry over 300 - 400... Just as you said... if you think it is a ripped off, just let it be... pay the amount and never go back again. 300 - 400 just to know the character of Sandy... or to know the character of the person... don't you think is well worth?

4) I had a hard time making a reservation for the rooms as it was Saturday night. I did initially ask for a large room in anticipating that another friend who bailed on us last minutes (Not his fault). By that time; there was no longer any mid-size room left. Sandy did told us to wait if we wanted to switch to a mid size room as there might be guest who had booked and not show up. But, both P.Dude and I did told Sandy just to forget it, we'll stay in our big size room as we will get lots of girls. So I just want to be fair here by stating out the facts.

5) On the Red Wine part, sorry I cannot please everyone, P.Dude is not much of a drinker and also I am in mood of fucking my girl to death that night, so I do not want to get out of the KTV with Blue Balls. As far as mixing part, HEY you wanker! Why didn’t you ask the DJ just to pour you those wine straight up? I don’t have to baby sit you do I? Oops!… sorry…. I was angry by the fact that you are not having fun with my new love …the DJ! Hahahaha…

For me; I don't think it is a ripped off because, I still think it is fairly reasonable price for a happy session at the KTV. Besides, I do not want to let 300 – 400 spoil the fun, nor am I prepared to let 300 – 400 defamed anyone of us in front of all these girls. Do you realize that all these girls, including the DJ (whom I am working on) are watching us? In their mind now… man… is this old man a cheap ass or what? Making a scene on petty little things like 300rmb???? I wanted to tell you to shut up at that moment but gave you the respect of a very senior member so that you will not be embarrass, but I do not know why you keep on going on and on…

OK … for those out there reading this, call me a BSD or whatever…. I don’t care! But for the extra 300 – 400 paid for been ripped off… Both P-Dude and I had enjoyed myself; I think it is worth it! Let's matter end here.

Dead and Buried. RIP!

Enjoy!
AG

[Soulman]

Hi AG, PD, Wadman and other mongers,

I'm coming to GZ/SZ from 8/1 to 8/4. Last time was in mid April with ah too memorable naked KTV in ChanAn with the boys. :)

Spending couple of days in HeShan and not to sure where to spend the weekend. Fly in and out of GZ. Any of you gents wanna get together?

Cheers

[Ace Gallant]

Hi AG, PD, Wadman and other mongers,

I'm coming to GZ/SZ from 8/1 to 8/4. Last time was in mid April with ah too memorable naked KTV in ChanAn with the boys. :)

Spending couple of days in HeShan and not to sure where to spend the weekend. Fly in and out of GZ. Any of you gents wanna get together?

Cheers

Soulman,

If I were you, I would be very careful on what I post on a public board. It's the Olympics time! I am sure they would monitor you for posting such things!!! Who knows, they may even track you down, tie you up, and have 20 naked girls dance in front of you.... see no touch....I bet you will go crazy over that!

Ok Ok... jokes aside...Sorry... I will not be there during this time... I am going to the Olympics.... get in early so that I don't get delayed getting into Beijing. Afterall the Airport is going to be closed!

Enjoy!
AG

[Soulman]

Gents,

Noticed ISG is blocked...

I got around it using FREE anonymizer proxy service:

http://tntproxy.com/

Enjoy

Left my heart with KTV beauty from JiangMen. Falling head over heel over a new KTV girl at new and very nice Glidden KTV. Last time this happened was 2003...

She was picked by my host's boss who owns of sizable electronics factory. He is a KTV guru and he grabbed her as she passed by with her mommy. This dude has knack for recognizing very beautiful girls.

She's new to the business (2 months) and 20 yrs old tall stunner even without any makeup. We spent the weekend together and I swear tons of dudes were checking her out when we were out together. What more is she loves sex and one of few girls I met in my life who enjoys giving BBBJ. I had to stop blowing me so I can pump her and she would finish me by jerking/licking/sucking me off. :)

It was true GF actions... She was so passionate and into french kissing (lips and tongues were literally tied). She looks like, get this, Korean moviestar from "Winter Sonata"! She agreed to spend the weekend (Fri night to Sun afternoon) for 3,000 RMB. It was bliss... I ended up buying her pricey shoes and gave her 500 RMB extra plus 100 RMB ferry ticket. I just hope she wouldn't get tainted by KTV lifestyle as she hates drinking, smoking and general KTV environment. Any rich man who makes her his 2nd wife will be one lucky SOB.

Cheers

[Dan Hawaii]

Mean da dope! Went to a ktv last night with a bedroom and shower in the ktv room. no shitting you guys. Anyways, its like a hotel room within a ktv room, even has a tv in it. Let me just tell you, its not there just for decoration, hahaha ;)

The ktv bill was 530 rmb each.
The KTV is called Plutocrat Hotel.
Manager guy is Lei Ri Hong
Numbers are:
136-861-330-09
839-280-16
Only 10 minute drive from HH or Miraton.

I'm hanging with a bunch of cool and fun Singaporean guys. Thanks RaceTrack and Crazier for the introduction to them. They really saved me, was going to be a boring trip with out friends to hang out with... With many ISGers timid because of the Olympics and all. But I really have not seen any impact from it. We were watching the opening ceremony in the ktv, with lots of beautiful and fun ktv girls. A moment that I will never forget. All the girls were fun and playful, because these guys are regulars there and are treated like it. A company van and the manager, came to pick us all up and took us home. It goes back to what I said before, if you go to a ktv with a VIP, girls usually are fun and a party atmosphere occurs. And these guys are all cool and fun to the girls, never disrespecting them.

Goodview KTV update... business is back to normal, hall of 400 girls are on :)

[Dan Hawaii]

Went there last night and had a great happening ktv party. Had around 9 of us, and what a great ktv party. The girls were wild and fun, no drama and they were drinking like fishes. One of the girls was so cool, let us feel and massage her 2 watermelons with a smile and let us the do dry humpty dumpty. hahah. The bill was around 770 rmb each. Normal for the prince. There were 3 price ranges for girls. The high model prices were ridiculous:

5-15-20 Holy shieznits.

Anyways, 2 of the guys took 1 each. I had a real cutie for 2-5-8. I think she was in that class becuase here skin was not white and milky, kind of tan/brown. And she has some self inflicted (I think) scars on her arm. A sign of needing attention, well, she got me at full attention. hahaha. She looks a little like that actress on "Meet Joe Black". Well, to me anyways. She was a winner. Actually all our girls were winners, that what makes a ktv experience awesome.

[Dan Hawaii]

Went to the Clipper KTV and set all kind of KTV Olympic records for the record books, well, for me anyways. Just had me and 2 other guys and one of them don’t drink. Two of us sat 2 girls and my other friend sat 3 girls. Here are the records that were broken that night:

-most expensive ktv bill (per person) 900 rmb each.
- most whisky bottles (ordered 4 Chivas bottles for 2 guys) drank and ordered per person (had some help from the friendly Clipper staff/girls).
-Most ktv girls wasted, in proportion to guys. Both my girls got wasted and had to go home, and I went home alone L
-fastest recovery by a wasted ktv girl, and was willing and able for take out. My friends girl.
-Marathon popping of girls while partaking in ktv, my friend that does no drink kept bringing girls to his room for monkey business. He was FOB, just arrived to CP that day.
-First time saw a mommy get so wasted, she ran out the door holding her mouth.

All in all, another fun and expensive, day in CP.

BTW: learned how to cheat while shaking the dice. Looks like you are shaking the dice, but you are not. The manager showed me twice and I figured it out.

[Dan Hawaii]

Went there last night on a last minute whim, arrived around 6:40, with Wapec, Wadman, and Is350. Was business and packed as usual. Playing 7,8,9 dice game with everyone. was pretty fun. Maybe Wadman has something to report, he went home with a hottie. Only a girl can make wadman stay in cp. He was suppose to go home that night.

Paid 500rmb each for ktv.

The girls in cp are more pleasant and eager to please, than usual. I think because it is so slow during the olympic games. Seems like a lot of mongerers are staying away. But I have not noticed any impact from the games, except that the girls are giving better service. ;)

[Dan Hawaii]

Well, Final day in CP, waiting for the van to HKIA at Miraton. Went to another ktv, where they strip. But was not stripping all the way, only to their underwear. They were supposed to go topless, but many did not. One of my girls did, briefly, but saw the other girls did not, so she put her bra back on. Was a pretty reasonable priced ktv:

500 each or was it 400rmb each. Shux, I forgot.

I sat 2 girls and one had a nice firm full body with c cups. But at the last minute, she got her rags. I was kind of debating which on to take home. I guess it was faith. I did check her in the bathroom and she was bleeding. She seemed like she wanted to go but nature calls. I did take the other girl, she was slender and cute, but did not BBBJ or BJ. Damn, I remember my friend telling me she did not either, I forgot. Overall, the strip club was pretty fun for around 5 to 10 minutes. But they seem to want to always put their clothes back on. Well, I guess its not the full-on strip ktvs like in Chang An. Never been there, but I heard the girls are the aggressive ones trying to strip your clothes off.

Wapec was getting attitude from his 2 girls. So a

All in all, another great and fabulous time in CP. I never had any dramas from any girls this trip. Not even BBS girls. Well, I only pulled from Babys BBS, the papa seems to recognize me and tell the girls to give me good service. They all BBBJ without me asking. Hell, her girls gave me better service than some of the ktv girls. Kind of made Babys my favorite place to go shopping. Lots of the BBS in Yalan has moved around. The green doors, 3 room, has moved next door, closer to Jo Jo. Jo Jos is kind of junk. Not too much talent or quantity. The 5th floor bbs moved to the ground floor. I think the 2nd floor ktv bbs closed, or moved, not sure on that one. Heard it from my friend, and never bothered looking for myself.

Found a pretty good legit oil massage place for 68 rmb at the 3rd floor of the PP building next to Lucky hotel. You get situated in a hotel room and get a private massage. My friend told me HJ are available for extra. The oil massage was quite good, 80 minutes. If you want the dry massage, its only 48rmb for 80 minutes. Overnight rooms are also available there also for comparable price as the lucky hotel.

Met a couple of cool new fellows, some ISG and non members. Wapec and Is350 are cool fun guys to party with and are pretty much laid back go with the flow guys. Would recommend hanging out with them, they both speak mandarin pretty well. Was so happy to have found some great guys to ktv, bbs shop, and shoot the breeze with. Wapec lives in HK, so give him a holler if ever in CP or Zhu Hai. Is350, does not post much, but he is a stadup guy. Really nice to the girls and is an avid traveler, so he knows his way around. Meet other non ISG members. They are on the sammy boy forum, they are from Singapore. Wild bunch of guys who come to CP regularly and know a whole shit load of stuff. Would be so nice to beable to live so close to CP and speak the language. Sometimes I think Hawaii, is not so paradise. Hahaha.

Wanted to also thank many ISG members for their recommendations and assistance in my CP endeavors. Point panic, I did call Lei Ri Hong for RSVP . Horse, did try out that massage place, was super great. Thanks AG for booking the clipper for me. Thanks AsianBleu, was great seeing you again, I always have the best ktv parties with you.

Not sure when I will be back, but I think not for a long time. I think 2009 I need to button down and start working on some goals. Setting up my business so I can retire, hopefully. Since July 2007, I have been to CP 6 times (a total stay time of 12 weeks, or 3 months, WOW), and PI 3 times. Meeting team Hawaii in the Phillipines.

Just curious, are there any not cool ISG members? Cause I have been so lucky to say, that all the ISG members I have meet in and out of CP have been very cool and nice bunch of guys. And I have made many great friends from ISG. You know they are great friends when you are sad to go your separate ways. I may have been lucky, but wow.

PS. I’m in the van to HKIA all by myself. I wonder how they make money when that happens. Holy smokes, CP is so slow. Come on guys, you guys got to go to cp and give the girls some lovin. They are yearning for your love. ;) or your Mao hahaha.

[Playboy2000]

Dan, Thanks for such a nice report.

The previous week I went to JiaYi, Virgin, Prince, FuHao (semi-strip with private bedroom), and two ChangAn strip KTVs. I also hung out with the Singapore crowd, who were a great bunch of guys.

The KTVs ranking from prim-and-propoer to naughtier were Prince, JiaYi, Virgin, FuHao and then the two ChangAn KTVs. Of those KTVs, I'd say Prince and JiaYi had the most variety in girl looks.

In the CA KTVs, the girls do not strip naked all night. Typically we'd get about half the girls to strip during a game of strip dice (with ourselves often stripping first, since we'd lose). Then at 10:30 all the girls are supposed to dance naked with the guys typically dancing with shirts off. But not all the girls dance, since some of the guys don't insist much for their girls. The girls are also, on average, naughtier in the KTV room - frequently giving you a lap dance or rubbing your dick.

I will be in CP Aug 17- Aug 21. I would very much like to hook up with someone for a KTV party in CP or CA if someone is around.

[Ace Gallant]

Same old thing in CP this weekend after the Olympics. Nothing special.

No raids, No clean ups, No "lots of undercover cops" as often mentioned on the DG thread in the main board.

But only one incident to report:

The owner of the hair dresser shop near Baby's BBS was stab on his stomach by another guy when he was trying to correct money from a friend who owe him. The incident happened tonight around 9pm and therefore a lot of mongers who was heading for Baby’s BBS were terrified by the numbers of policemen along that alley. This is the hair-dresser shop where most of the Baby’s girls have their hairdos.

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Great meeting up with Wadman in CP and two of us did the Swan Lake KTV. I had my girl from Baby's BBS with me while Wadman took a girls and a mummy from the Swan BBS to have fun in the KTV room.

Drank and played dice... The bill came up to be around total of 800+ so about 400+ per share. And as usual, they charge for everything like the fruit plate etc etc..

But frankly the rooms smells like someone has left his gastric juice behind!

I thought the girl Wadman took back might turn out to be great but she turn out to be a cry baby... (I'll let Wadman report on this). I never had any good girl from the swan lake BBS. Don't know why guys likes to go there?? Perhaps the price is cheaper there? Value for Money? But of the service from the girls there are bad... there is no values isn't it?

Good to bump into Mongoose at the Clipper over breakfast!

Enjoy!
AG

[Weelock]

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I thought the girl Wadman took back might turn out to be great but she turn out to be a cry baby... (I'll let Wadman report on this). I never had any good girl from the sawn lake BBS. Don't know why guys likes to go there?? Perhaps the price is cheaper there? Value for Money? But of the service from the girls there are bad... there is no values isn't it?

Good to bump into Mongoose at the Clipper over breakfast!

Enjoy!
AG

IMHO, Swan Lake history wise, has the best looking girls in all the BBS in CP. They usually have quality and quantity. Therefore, I usually stop by just to look.

On the other hand, Swan Lake girls are the the worst in terms of attitude and performance. Then you add the extremely pushy mommy's. They are the worst in CP. Before Swan Lake remodeled, I was once locked in a small room with 15-20 girls. They would not let me out until I pick someone. It was after ~5 mins and 4-5 girls sitting on my lap I was able to leave and telling them repeatedly, NO. After the remodeling, it's one large room. It's a body block now. Sometimes, it's two mommy's against you.

Another time, a friend had a hard time getting his money back after paying a mommy. When we were about to leave the room at Swan Lake, the girl said she didn't want to do LT now because it was early. ST was OK. When my friend asked for his money back, he had a hard to getting it. It took me and "Bill Lee" yelling at the mommy in front all her girls to get it back.

I recall, "Fast Eddie" and some other said the same things about Swan Lake BBS, best looking girls but worst for service.

[Fast Eddie 48]

IMHO, Swan Lake history wise, has the best looking girls in all the BBS in CP. They usually have quality and quantity. Therefore, I usually stop by just to look.

On the other hand, Swan Lake girls are the the worst in terms of attitude and performance. Then you add the extremely pushy mommy's. They are the worst in CP. Before Swan Lake remodeled, I was once locked in a small room with 15-20 girls. They would not let me out until I pick someone. It was after ~5 mins and 4-5 girls sitting on my lap I was able to leave and telling them repeatedly, NO. After the remodeling, it's one large room. It's a body block now. Sometimes, it's two mommy's against you.

Another time, a friend had a hard time getting his money back after paying a mommy. When we were about to leave the room at Swan Lake, the girl said she didn't want to do LT now because it was early. ST was OK. When my friend asked for his money back, he had a hard to getting it. It took me and "Bill Lee" yelling at the mommy in front all her girls to get it back.

I recall, "Fast Eddie" and some other said the same things about Swan Lake BBS, best looking girls but worst for service.Weelock,

I agree the mommy is pushy, but that don't bother me.

You need to show them who boss and tell them mommie to get the hell out of your way.

Yes I have taking girl out of Swan Lake and I did have a few good girl.

Not all have bad attiude.

Swan Lake is really a ktv, but same price as yalan bbs .

Fast eddie 48

[Weelock]

Weelock,

I agree the mommy is pushy, but that don't bother me.

You need to show them who boss and tell them mommie to get the hell out of your way.

Yes I have taking girl out of Swan Lake and I did have a few good girl.

Not all have bad attiude.

Swan Lake is really a ktv, but same price as yalan bbs .

Fast eddie 48

Yes, NOT all girls have bad attitudes. I 'm saying overall, Swan Lake has a reputation of girls giving poor service and pushy mommies.

I had a few girls there and more than half I would not suggest or recommend.
"Wadman" just had a "cry baby". "Ace Gallant" said he never had any good luck there. There are also a few other.

I also have a BIG issue with one of the mommys, called "A PING". She a fat lady about 40-50 years old. I had a problem with her years ago when most of the Swan Lake mommies worked at YUE HUA Hotel. I will NEVER pick "A PING" girls. It's a long story and I don't want to post it.

[OldAsiaHand]

I have also had bad luck with service from Swan Lake girls. There are some lookers, but I never had great service out of there.

OAH

[Ace Gallant]

I had a few girls there and more than half I would not suggest or recommend.
"Wadman" just had a "cry baby". "Ace Gallant" said he never had any good luck there. There are also a few other.


IMHO, most of the girls there wanted a quick ST, make their money and go to the next customer. They want to get as many customer as they can especially on the weekends. They attitude is; you don't pick me, someone will. I was told that the sell out rates in Swan lake is 100% durng the weekends and the weekdays, seldom they will get "Bai Ban" = "Whiteboard" = No one take them out for the whole day and thus zero income for the day.

In fact, when I brought my girls from Baby's BBS, one mummy was asking her who is her mummy and trying to convince her to work for her as she can guarrantee take out everyday.

In my 3 years in CP, I had taken out only 5 girls from Swan Lake. These 5 all looks nice and acted great in the shop but once in the room... they are pretty much dead fish. Especially one assistant mummy whom even refused to take a shower, stripped and laid there.

Enjoy!
AG

[Pleasure Dude]

Hey AG,

How would you compare the girls at swan lake ktv to clippers? any of them my type? I can't wait to get back to China next month. Life here in the states is just work, work, work, and more work..... Hope to see some of you nice people in cp next month.

PD


IMHO, most of the girls there wanted a quick ST, make their money and go to the next customer. They want to get as many customer as they can especially on the weekends. They attitude is; you don't pick me, someone will. I was told that the sell out rates in Swan lake is 100% durng the weekends and the weekdays, seldom they will get "Bai Ban" = "Whiteboard" = No one take them out for the whole day and thus zero income for the day.

In fact, when I brought my girls from Baby's BBS, one mummy was asking her who is her mummy and trying to convince her to work for her as she can guarrantee take out everyday.

In my 3 years in CP, I had taken out only 5 girls from Swan Lake. These 5 all looks nice and acted great in the shop but once in the room... they are pretty much dead fish. Especially one assistant mummy whom even refused to take a shower, stripped and laid there.

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Hey AG,

How would you compare the girls at swan lake ktv to clippers? any of them my type? I can't wait to get back to China next month. Life here in the states is just work, work, work, and more work..... Hope to see some of you nice people in cp next month.

PD

Nah... none your type... becoz... as I'd said, they just want to make the quick bucks and leave for the next customer. Wam Bang Thank you Mdm!

Those are not our type of girls right? We do not mind paying a little more for girls who would cuddle up with us...

But... I am sorry to disappoint you man... life in CP is also work work work work....working on the girls..... :)

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

I was in CP for a couple of days last weekend and a mummy of a KTV whom I had known for 2 years told me to take a Virgin from her as a favor. She told me that this girl had came from the village and came to work in her KTV but as a hostess that will not for take out. So, she wear her tag on her skirt everynight as this indicates that she is on her period and will not go out. However mummy had persuaded her that she should sell her hymen so that she can make lot of money from going out with the client. Her selling price was 2000 for overnight and I thought it was a good price because she was a cuties.

However I personally do not like breaking in that much, (had countless break in and never enjoy any one of them), I had arrange a friend of mine to break her in. This friend who was living in Dalang came over on Sunday evening and took her to Miraton hotel, broke her in and confirmed that she was indeed a virgin. The story as he told me was that she was in great pain and she bleed after entry. That also soiled the bedsheets in which Miraton hotel charged my friend 20RMB for laundry of the sheets!

Now, there is another cutie from Sichuan in circulation in CP!

Enjoy
AG

PS. On second thoughts... I'll take that back... I actually enjoy break in only if she is one of my GF and wife potential candidates..... In this case, I would break her in bareback and there would be lots of tender loving emotion involved.

[ABCinLA]

I'll leave the virgins for those who want the trouble at a very high price. I've been offered them more than a few times in SZ. But great to be back in CP. Nice to see the night market fully stocked. I was hanging around with a Taiwanese monger who refused to go over to Swan Lake as they had tried to up sell him to 250 a while back. I did take a girl from there on this trip who tried to say the price was that but the mommie knew me and had given me a card. I said I would immediately call her to discuss it; at that point the provider backed off and left the room. Generally, as its been mentioned already, I find the Swan Lake girls better looking probably due to their better make up/hair style skills. I don't recall ever a true GFE from any Swan Lake provider; however I've always gotten at least fairly good professional servicing. Difficult to locate all the BBS shops around the Yalan area as more than one has relocated. Of course the runners find you and take you over to their shop. Now I had my worse experience ever from a Yalan provider (not Swan Lake) who was recommended to me by a mommie who knows my taste for large breasts. Of course it was my fault as we did not make eye contact and she did not look happy when she was introduced to me. She did not speak Cantonese and was speaking with the Taiwanese guy I was riding back with in the Cab. He mentioned to me she was gonna be a handful when I got her back. First time I've never gotten a bj from a CP gal. Oh well, life goes on and sometimes its fun to just pound girls like this.

[Pleasure Dude]

AG

haha.... working on the girls... You are 100% right about that and I can't wait till I get back and work my ass off in cp next month. =) Next time you are in CP, please ask your mommy to hire more girls from Sichuan for next month.

Recently I have heard from some of my factories in DG that hundreds of factories have either closed up shop or moved out of China entirely. Is that true? If that is the case, there must be a flood of factories girls switching jobs to bbs or ktv.

PD


Nah... none your type... becoz... as I'd said, they just want to make the quick bucks and leave for the next customer. Wam Bang Thank you Mdm!

Those are not our type of girls right? We do not mind paying a little more for girls who would cuddle up with us...

But... I am sorry to disappoint you man... life in CP is also work work work work....working on the girls..... :)

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

AG

haha.... working on the girls... You are 100% right about that and I can't wait till I get back and work my ass off in cp next month. =) Next time you are in CP, please ask your mommy to hire more girls from Sichuan for next month.

Recently I have heard from some of my factories in DG that hundreds of factories have either closed up shop or moved out of China entirely. Is that true? If that is the case, there must be a flood of factories girls switching jobs to bbs or ktv.

PDYes, that is true, there is a huge influx of factories girls coming to CP and switch ing to this trade. That what all the mummies are telling me.

Guess we choosen the best time to visit CP isn't it?

Enjoy!

AG

[Ibaski]

Hi Guys,

Is it difficult to get from Peninsula Hotel to Miraton early in the morning say around 5.30 am. I have to catch the bus from Miraton to get to HKIA to catch my flight at 10.30 AM. I am not sure if EE bus will pick up from Peninsula Hotel.

I am just sick of flooding in Miraton bathrooms as I use multiple ones on my one night stands in CP.

Thanks

[Ace Gallant]

Hi Guys,

Is it difficult to get from Peninsula Hotel to Miraton early in the morning say around 5.30 am. I have to catch the bus from Miraton to get to HKIA to catch my flight at 10.30 AM. I am not sure if EE bus will pick up from Peninsula Hotel.

I am just sick of flooding in Miraton bathrooms as I use multiple ones on my one night stands in CP.

Thanks

Instead of taking the Eternal East bus, you should try using the Hua Dong MPV service, 200RMB gets you from Peninsula Hotel or Clipper hotel to HKIA. It takes about 2 hrs and 30 mins through the Shenzhen Bay crossing. The first service from Hua Dong is 5:45am. You have to pre-book the trip at least one day ahead from either Peninsula hotel or Clipper hotel. Enquire at the front desk. The booking for Clipper hotel is at a tour agency 10 metres from the Clipper front entrence. However they only opens at 11am - 9pm everyday.

Enjoy!
AG

[Horse38]

Okay, experts, here's a question.

I'm in CP now, but my subscription expired a few days ago. I'd like to renew it.

From my hotel, I have to access forum through a proxy server. I'm reluctant to renew my subscription through the proxy, because my credit card info can be read by the proxy.

Does someone know how to get this done? Maybe some member on their way to CP can renew for me, then I will repay when I see them in CP? Or is their another way?

Here's some useful info about hotels, for those who don't know this one. Yesterday I moved to Kong Cheng Hotel. Highly recommended for serious mongers. Owned by same guy who owns Hui Hua and Hui Mei. In fact, room has same furniture as Hui Hua.

Amenities on the plus side: The Kong Cheng KTV seemed quite good during my visit last week. Supposedly has many northern/taller girls. The girls dress in lingerie, quite revealing. Also, since the lingerie tops are see-through, girls cannot wear push-up/padded bras. So you "won't Get Fooled Again" by a girl who looks big but turns out to be all-bra.

Kong Chen also has a sauna, haven't tried it yet, but it's certainly convenient, as it is on the same floor as my hotel room.

Down side is room is not quite as clean as I'd like (I'm used to Hui Hua and Peninsula), western breakfast is slim pickings, and I could hear music from KTV last night as I arrived in my room. So you can't go to sleep before 1am. Who does that, anyway?

Internet access is great: free and as fast as Hui Hua, which seems fastest in town in my experience.

Best part: I'm paying 168/night. Corporate rate, includes one breakfast.

Kong Cheng hotel is next to Silvery Springs Spa, which many of you know.

So anyone have some ideas about the subscription?

Horse38

[Ace Gallant]

Okay, experts, here's a question.

I'm in CP now, but my subscription expired a few days ago. I'd like to renew it.

From my hotel, I have to access forum through a proxy server. I'm reluctant to renew my subscription through the proxy, because my credit card info can be read by the proxy.

Does someone know how to get this done? Maybe some member on their way to CP can renew for me, then I will repay when I see them in CP? Or is their another way?

Here's some useful info about hotels, for those who don't know this one. Yesterday I moved to Kong Cheng Hotel. Highly recommended for serious mongers. Owned by same guy who owns Hui Hua and Hui Mei. In fact, room has same furniture as Hui Hua.

Amenities on the plus side: The Kong Cheng KTV seemed quite good during my visit last week. Supposedly has many northern/taller girls. The girls dress in lingerie, quite revealing. Also, since the lingerie tops are see-through, girls cannot wear push-up/padded bras. So you "won't Get Fooled Again" by a girl who looks big but turns out to be all-bra.

Kong Chen also has a sauna, haven't tried it yet, but it's certainly convenient, as it is on the same floor as my hotel room.

Down side is room is not quite as clean as I'd like (I'm used to Hui Hua and Peninsula), western breakfast is slim pickings, and I could hear music from KTV last night as I arrived in my room. So you can't go to sleep before 1am. Who does that, anyway?

Internet access is great: free and as fast as Hui Hua, which seems fastest in town in my experience.

Best part: I'm paying 168/night. Corporate rate, includes one breakfast.

Kong Cheng hotel is next to Silvery Springs Spa, which many of you know.

So anyone have some ideas about the subscription?

Horse38

Instead of using a proxy, you should seriously think of using a VPN. You are right about Proxies as they will keep a cache of the web site, your inputs and other details of the page you accessed. However most Proxies provider will empty out the cache frequently to avoid the disk space from getting full. If you are using free proxies, the likelyhood the cache is emptied once you disconnect from the proxy is high.

Unlike a proxy, the VPN server keep minimal information of your session and is purge once you disconnect. The VPN is also a more secure and stable way to access my website that is blocked and needless to say; the information you input are also secured.

WITOPIA and PRAIRIEDOG VPNs providers are known to work in China. Prairie Dog charges on access time base and Witopia, is Annual subscription. Both their website are not block in China.

Enjoy!
AG

[Wapec]

This is a flame report also posted on the main SZ / DG threads. I gotta get it outta my system so I can finish up my monger week with a clear conscience and hopefully a new high tomorrow.

BTW I went into JoJo's old shop two days ago and said I heard they were charging RmB 250. Then I quick as lightening said they were on a boycott because of it and turned on my heels and left. You gotta tell them they are being watched. Its not enough to not patronise they need to know why they are not patronised.
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Went to CA for a naked KTV and to limber up with a sauna session. Went with Wadman & SEAJ. Expected to meet another ISG'er who is on temporary probation having let the crew down. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE "TG" AND WE THREE ARE WAITING IN AMBUSH TO FLAME YOUR EVERY NEXT MOVE ........ UNLESS YOU KEEP TO YOU WORD FOR TOMORROW NIGHT IN CP.

Anyway, SEAJ and I organised a car from CP to CA for RmB 120 and return on the highway for RmB 135 (there is a toll road on the most direct route back hence the price difference). While waiting for Wadman to arrive we went BBS hunting in CA but even SEAJ's canine like pussy sniffer failed us. The CA Hotel Bellboy's directions were about as reliable as the managmement at the Rich Kingdom KTV. Maybe I am being too generous to the Oxford Dictionary's definition of "Management".

Anyway, met up with Wadman then the dynamic duo of Wadman & SEAJ send the innocent Laowai out to find a taxi for them to follow to Rich Kingdom Hotel. Usual excuses from the pair of them - "your Mandarin is so good, you're so much more capable than we are". Bullshit I am Laowai and its worth the laugh to send me out into the cold cruel world to see quickly i'll get ripped off in China. No green in eyes ! I come from a long line of country folk & cow traders which is an entirely different breed to sheep shaggers. First taxi refuses to use the meter and insists on RmB 35 flat fee - "kiss my dick" as I open to door to exit and find another taxi. Same routine with the second. Time to be an asshole. Hell it comes easy. No meter no business take it or leave my man ? He takes it and says not one word to me as he goes into orbit on the roads of CA to get me to the Rich Kingdom on Zhen'An Lu. RmB 23 later I arrive on the meter and ask myself was all the hassle worth it over RmB 7 - 12. Later on that night I find the answer is irrevokably a resounding "yes" it its worth it. Principles are what keep mongers safe and out of harms way.

Now I know why I was really sent to find a taxi. If a Laowai gets killed in a crazy taxi the papers will say stupid foreigner did a stupid thing no loss to the world. Who cares about a stupid Laowai ? Well damn it boys, I do Arrive at the joint. Batman & Robin saunter along in tow. Joker has survived too.

We go in and book the KTV room which starts at 7pm we are informed. Decide its worth our while to waste time at the sauna until then so off we go for a 25 meter walk into the sauna which is 100 mins, room for RmB 138 and gals either 4/5/600 depending on how tall they are ? We all go for RmB 400 gals which just so happen to be cutest they have in the joint. Choice is not outstanding but the convenience factor and the comraderie make it the right choice for today.

Everybody comes out a winner. SEAJ has a professional that gets straight to blowing him from the get go - two pops, 26 steps all declined just straight down to biz. Wadman is in the zone as his gal works her tongue on his ass - gotta be good for him to come out smiling. My gal is a cutie, a bit nervous but i often get this being a Laowai so I just calm her down and let her know we'll take it nice and slow. She needs a lover with a slow hand not some John who's in a heaving rush. She empties her bag to reveal all kinds of dildo's, finger condoms, and vibrators. I casually tell her that she doesn't need any of them and she can skip the routine ince we'll make it up as we go along. She looks confused. Yes, I love the deer lost in the headlights look from them I so easily seem to be able to create. Anyway, I say take it easy I am old fashioned kinda guy and we can beat my two eggs to make the cake. She giggles and off we go. Nice bbbj in the shower as didi wakes up to the possibilities. What can I say I am sucker for a round smiling face and my gals just beams at me.

On to the bed, drying off, she massages me and I her, she sucks and slurps and wo shou "gangjue hen hao, hen shufu, laopau qing wo zai nide ai he ma?". I saddle up on my boat and rug a tug bug later with a little help from KY all the bits fall into place with a little insertion. Damn you SEAJ telling them I am hung like two donkey's and an elephant. Its takes 25 minutes to dispel the myth before they realise that I not even the size of a pigmyed Shetland pony. 55 minutes later she tells me there is only 5 mins to go as I am just getting into fourth gear. Oh well time to switch gear and straight into seventh. Happy days are here again. One pop perfectly timed to give me enough for later on. Been waiting all week for the naked CA KTV.

Meet the guys in the lobby and hand out their honorary finger condom for sweet rememberance. Oh how shy a Senior ISG Member can be after the fact !!! Don't say you haven't tried it ..... All happy we go merrily into the KTV in anticipation.

Head to our room. Laoban comes in we check the details as the first line up comes in. We are told no nakedness. We ask for the gals to leave before we express outrage. Finally there is a backdown - the gals will strip if we do. We don't care that sounds like a fair deal to us. Gals come back in. Couple of line ups later we're all settled in. Games, dice, drinks, food etc and things are humming along. I am particularly happy with my gal she is fun, enthusiastic, lively, animated and nicely playful allowing me touch and feel while she reciprocates. SEAJ starts singing that when you know things are settling down into a potentially good night. In come two dancers music gets pumped up and they dance provocatively with each other, jump up on the sofa and waive their asses in our faces, strip me naked (why is always me ? Same happened last time in CA naked KTV - not that I am complaining what else would I be doing ?), then SEAJ and only Wadman maintains any semblance of decency. Good clean naked fun except it us that's naked

The Mommie that sits with us is best looking gals in the place. I even tell her I'll pay RmB 800 to do her short time. Pricing is 2/6/8. Reckon I am onto a 6 for sure my gals is warming up nicely and so am I. My KTV drought is coming to an end.

Night ends and its decision time. Wadman declines all spent from earlier. SEAJ has devised a cunning alternative plan so also declines so there is only me. Hell I am up for it and ready to go. Jez i even held a shot in reserve from earlier. So its announced that its time for a short time room. That is when the real musical chairs begins. No short time rooms only all night rooms. OK give me one fo those rooms at the ST rate. No LT rate. What ? You have a room, the capacity but no fixed pricing. we've just spent over a a grand excluding gals & DJ and your flipping me off over a LT room ? Are you crazy ? Do you think I come from planet BSD Laowai ? Little chickie babe I've been in China longer than you've been alive who are you flip me off ? Ni xiao wenzi dabian wo hui gan ni ma sangci mingtain zaoshang gen ni keyi kanjian women !!! They're not budging. Brinkmanship. 10 mins we'll have a room ; 20 min later its 15 mins we'll have a room ; then you can have a sauna room but not at the house ST rate. Hey its only RmB 38 now but there is principle, face and my skin in the game.

Screw this for a laugh. I call for the bill. Maidan, maidan tai fuza, bu heli wo gai bian wo hao shenqi. Kongbu kelian ruguo nimen bu renshi wo erqie wo bu renshi ni ye hui anpai yige da BOYCOTT. Dui da ISG BOYCOTT.

Bill arrives. We settle up. Pay the gals sitting fee only. I pay mine a bit more because she is being left short too by the Management of this flea bitten Stalinist gulag. Rancid putrid bad management stinks to high heaven. Not only have they bitten off their own hand but also derpived my gal of RmB 400. Disgusted I give her a side payment saying i know its not her fault and she is annoyed with the Management of her agency but that is how it is for her. In all this she is the one that looses out the most. Choice remains for me tonight and many places elsewhere in CA, CP or SZ but her she lost a night's earnings due to bad management she has no control over. Sad state of affairs.

I am sangine. A bit of a bad taste but nobody's fault except for bad management. Not the gal, not us being outta hand ..... life goes on. Another war story and gossip about the thrill of the hunt and the one that got away etc. We trio going driving around CA while our car comes to bring SEAJ & me back to CP. Wadman kindly shows us the BBS area that we completely missed earlier in the day. Our car arrives and we transfer going our separate ways. SEAJ dozes off to sleep thinking of his vict.... er conquest. I am still a bit stirred and decide against a late night takeaway in CP just because it will be abverage given the mood I am in and that is not fair on a gal.

I will sleep on it and tomorrow will be another day in the paradise of CP. Got another KTV lined up with another bunch of good guys and its my last day in CP before returning to the real world.

Final note - I strongly recommend that the Rich Kingdom KTV (DMFL), Zhen'An Road, Chang'An Town, Dongguan City, Guangdong, CHINA be respectfully put on the ISG boycott list until there is a Management change.

[Logos]

BTW I went into JoJo's old shop two days ago and said I heard they were charging RmB 250. Then I quick as lightening said they were on a boycott because of it and turned on my heels and left. You gotta tell them they are being watched. Its not enough to not patronise they need to know why they are not patronised.

Great report Wapec.
If anybody's interested in pushing back prices from next week, let's hook up. I'm in CP from next Friday and always ready for a bit of depraved mischief.

[Jamie5063]

okay, experts, here's a question.

i'm in cp now, but my subscription expired a few days ago. i'd like to renew it.

from my hotel, i have to access forum through a proxy server. i'm reluctant to renew my subscription through the proxy, because my credit card info can be read by the proxy.if you copy the payment link you can go direct from china without using the proxy server, i had the same concern as you and paid without problems. i also find if you use firefox with proxy and ie without it gets round the speed problem on unblocked sites.

[Ace Gallant]

Man...!!! what a failure as a guide of CP can I be??? I have the pleasure of "Escorting" Pleasure Dude around in the last 48 hours but he is yet to get himself laid!!!!

Among the place we went to:

1) All the Yalan BBSs including Baby's and the one on the second floor.
2) Swan Lake BBS.
3) Virgin KTV
4) Clipper foot massage (with special services)

Our dear friend... although not a newbie, has yet discharge a single drop from his sperm bank!

Let's see how it goes tonight at the KTV.

BTW: It seems like the Canton fair had gone downhill, from the feedback I got, it seems like there are a lot less people. CP is a lot less crowded than the previous Canton fair period. However though, most of the hotel are still fully booked on the Friday and Saturday period.

At 6 - 7pm on Friday / Saturday evenings, the BBS are still fully stocked.

With that many available girls, I am still wondering why is PD still a Virgin in CP???

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Hahahaha... PD must be reading the board and spotted my last post about him not getting laid.

Minutes after I posted, he had a girl over from Swan Lake BBS and is shagging her to death right now!!!

Hope he can finish up and get to the KTV after ....

Enjoy!
AG

[SE Asia Joe]

Man...!!! what a failure as a guide of CP can I be??? ..................................At 6 - 7pm on Friday / Saturday evenings, the BBS are still fully stocked.

With that many available girls, I am still wondering why is PD still a Virgin in CP???
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Hahahaha... PD must be reading the board and spotted my last post about him not getting laid.

Minutes after I posted, he had a girl over from Swan Lake BBS and is shagging her to death right now!!!

Hope he can finish up and get to the KTV after ....

Enjoy!
AG

Errrr.... methinks its because you're soo damn greedy - anytime the both of you see a good one, you, yes YOU AG! is already jumping all over her. What chance has poor gentle PD got with you around??

Soon as he finds out that you're safely typing away at the key board in your room - he's off to get a gal without you cutting him off at the pass!!

Either that - or is there something to the way that he looks at you sometimes??!!

SEAJ

Ps. Where's that answer on the actovegin??
PPs. And what was that you mentioned earlier about the gals from the Swan Lake NOT being suitable for PD??

[Ace Gallant]

Errrr.... methinks its because you're soo damn greedy - anytime the both of you see a good one, you, yes YOU AG! is already jumping all over her. What chance has poor gentle PD got with you around??

Soon as he finds out that you're safely typing away at the key board in your room - he's off to get a gal without you cutting him off at the pass!!

Either that - or is there something to the way that he looks at you sometimes??!!

SEAJ

Ps. Where's that answer on the actovegin??
PPs. And what was that you mentioned earlier about the gals from the Swan Lake NOT being suitable for PD??

Nah... I think you got it wrong this time and PD can verify that! It's been a long time since I picked a girl from the BBS.... because they are always pre-picked for me!!! The mummies, especially Baby, know exactly what type of girls I like and once they knows that I am in town, they would reserve that or that few girls of those types for me. All I need to do is to call them and let them know how many and when I want the girl, they will send them to me.

Don't need for me to chose.... PD on the other hand is having the same problem as what OAH is facing sometime back..... he sees too many girls that he likes... he did place orders for those girls 100 for the mummies, but later see another girl that he likes better.... by the time he gets to the 3 or 4 BBSs, he starts to think.... "Hey... we're going to KTV tonight!!! maybe I'll get one even better there???"

So, by the time he found out that those girl at the KTV are just about the same.... he decided to call out his previous "reserves" girl only to find himself undecided on which one to call... and by the time he decided... he makes the call.... only to find that the mummy would give him some BS about the girl he reserves just had her period how about taking another girl who is much better.......(Actually it means the someone else took her for the night already). There are no such thing as reserves now and I'll pick her up later.... The mummies will sell their girls unless you take them out immediately. As for me, what my regular mummy did was; they reserved them by telling the girl to stay at home or go home to wait for her call and she will send her directly to me later. This way, the girls do not get viewed or picked by someone else.

So... it came back to why PD finally shag the Swan Lake girl? Simple: I actually told him: "A pussy in hand is better then 2 in the BBS!" If you see one you like, take her, get one pop out of her.. if you like her, keep her for the night, bring her around, even to the KTV, have her drink with you or even pour your drinks if she don't drink. If you see and like another girl from the KTV, and feels like taking her for the night; get the BBS girl drunk and sent her home. Take the KTV girl home. (Actually I did that before but I did not sent the BBS home, I just left her sleep on my Hotel room couch, while I fuck the KTV girl away....hahahaha...)

PD is a shy guy... I think he is learning the tricks now... I bet you... another few days in CP.... he'll be Mr. Romeo of CP!

Enjoy!
AG

[SE Asia Joe]

because they are always pre-picked for me!!! The mummies, especially Baby, know exactly what type of girls I like and once they knows that I am in town, they would reserve that or that few girls of those types for me. All I need to do is to call them and let them know how many and when I want the girl, they will send them to me.
Amazing!! You would actually trust the judgement of these mommmies instead of your own sighting of and judgment? Man..... you're an easy touch!!


Don't need for me to chose.... PD on the other hand is having the same problem as what OAH is facing sometime back..... he sees too many girls that he likes..................
Yeah but PD is such a good looking AND YOUNG man that he really can be choosy. I'd imagine that any gal he chose would do anything to get PD to be their sponsor/BF/Husband. If I were you PD, I'd choose a few gals, tell the gal you'd chosen her and then for her to wait for you for half an hour or so and NOT take any other clients. Tell the Mommie the same thing and NOT pay the 100 - just make sure that the gal knows you've got her chosen. Chances are that she WILL wait for you - and since it don't take more than half an hour to do the tour of most of the yalan/SWL BBS, you'll definitely get the gal of your first or at worst, second choice.

So... it came back to why PD finally shag the Swan Lake girl? Simple: I actually told him: "A pussy in hand is better then .............PD is a shy guy... I think he is learning the tricks now... I bet you... another few days in CP.... he'll be Mr. Romeo of CP!

Enjoy!
AG
YUP PD - my philosophy is to ride the first or second one that appeals to you - if no good, go to the second one. And the advantage in CP is that at 150-200/pop for these BBS gals, you can very well afford it. Not so cheap/time practicable if you only went for KTV gals, what with the ktv cost in $$ AND TIME term PLUS the actual cost of the KTV xiaojies.

At a BBS, you can Hiyo Silva several times and it still wouldn't be the cost of a nice dinner back in the States.

I personally only started partaking of BBS gals the past year or so - thinking in the past that these BBS gals are just too damn low class for me. Well, since I got introduced to the wonderful world of CP BBS land, I have truly discovered how nice some of these gals are. (I've also found out that BBS's in other locales besides CP is not as nice...somehow...!!)

IMHO
SEAJ

Ps. The above 'advise' also goes to some of the other "good looking young men" (Omigawd - that sounds so Gay!!) I've met lately i.e. Mongoose, Tic Toc, Lazy whatever(?) Superforce. But definitely NOT for you Wapec!!

[Ace Gallant]

Amazing!! You would actually trust the judgement of these mommmies instead of your own sighting of and judgment? Man..... you're an easy touch!!

Easy touch? I don't think so, otherwise, I wouldn't explain why PD fell for the same girls that I did a day earlier..... Of course PD did not know it until he took them.... But the point is (as what Wadman had said long time ago) hook up with at least one mummy and she know your preference of girls, whenever any of these type of girl get added to their stock, she will be dam right to reserve that girl for me as the first customer of the day when I am in town. And actually, most of the time, I was the first customer of her career! I had often received SMS from the mummy when I am not in CP telling me there is this new girl that came into town and she is my preference and asking me if I am in town to 'train' them.



Yeah but PD is such a good looking AND YOUNG man that he really can be choosy. I'd imagine that any gal he chose would do anything to get PD to be their sponsor/BF/Husband. If I were you PD, I'd choose a few gals, tell the gal you'd chosen her and then for her to wait for you for half an hour or so and NOT take any other clients. Tell the Mommie the same thing and NOT pay the 100 - just make sure that the gal knows you've got her chosen. Chances are that she WILL wait for you - and since it don't take more than half an hour to do the tour of most of the yalan/SWL BBS, you'll definitely get the gal of your first or at worst, second choice.

I am sure PD, after his 5th trip now in CP, can make the judgment and had the actual experience by now about those that had got away and those that he managed to bagged.



YUP PD - my philosophy is to ride the first or second one that appeals to you - if no good, go to the second one. And the advantage in CP is that at 150-200/pop for these BBS gals, you can very well afford it. Not so cheap/time practicable if you only went for KTV gals, what with the ktv cost in $$ AND TIME term PLUS the actual cost of the KTV xiaojies.

At a BBS, you can Hiyo Silva several times and it still wouldn't be the cost of a nice dinner back in the States.

I personally only started partaking of BBS gals the past year or so - thinking in the past that these BBS gals are just too damn low class for me. Well, since I got introduced to the wonderful world of CP BBS land, I have truly discovered how nice some of these gals are. (I've also found out that BBS's in other locales besides CP is not as nice...somehow...!!)

IMHO
SEAJ

Ps. The above 'advise' also goes to some of the other "good looking young men" (Omigawd - that sounds so Gay!!) I've met lately i.e. Mongoose, Tic Toc, Lazy whatever(?) Superforce. But definitely NOT for you Wapec!!

Well, IMHO: Looks has nothing to do with the abilities to pick girls not to mention when dealing with BBS, KTV and Sauna girls. I still recall the argument on the board over a year ago when member "Azn Playa" said that "Looks get anyone any girl he wants." My experience: looks may work for some naive young little school girls but when comes to working girls in China... hahaha sorry... I think the "Mao" face that is printed on the RMB works best. the more of those they see on you, the more attractive you become. In China, money is King! Of course if Money is put into play together with other elements like looks, sweet talks, humor, etc, etc.... gets the man his pussy anywhere in China! Hmm... come to think of it.... since APlaya got lots of girls with his good looks, and also my experience of naive young little school girls falling for good looking guys.... that tell us what type of girls he targets....

PD is such a nice Gentleman who loves girls.... we were at the KTV with models girls last evening and now... he is madly in Love with one of the KTV girl..... I guess he would spend the next half a week till he leaves China, with this new found love of his life! I suppose he should be in Shenzhen enjoying the company of this sweet love.

Oh... did I ever mentioned he loves more mature girls? So NO naive young little school girls for him! Every girl is of legal age!

Enjoy PD!
AG

BTW: OAH, mummy Lily ask me about you... she asked me when you will be back, I guess she misses you and wants to give you another BJ?? Man.... why does all the mummy ask me about guys from the ISG? They must had marked me as the "Tour guide" of the group??? and who the fuck gave the website away to the girls and mummies!!!!! Baby just asked me again about this website and if I am a member of the website? I pretended to be naive and not knowing what she is talking about. She showed a piece of paper with ISG web address written on it and from the hand writings, it can only come from a person whom English is his native language!

[Pleasure Dude]

I must say royal garden is one of the grandest ktv that I have visited in China. With its endless number of model talents and really really hot mommies, I do not know why people do not talk about it more often. And when I say models, I am not just talking about tall Chinese girls but actual model materials (face and body) that have to take lessons on how to treat customers and also do an actual cat walk on the outside stage. What can I say? AG and I were watching and drooling as the models walk by us on the stage while numerous mafia bosses pulled up in their pimped up mercedes S class. No KTV is CP even comes close to it in terms of the quality of the girls and also the establishment itself. Lastly, the price is only a bit more than KTVs in CP and we only paid 1080 for a small room. We had 3 models and 2 regulars in our room. The sitting fees is 300 for a regular girl and 500 for the models. I would say even the regular girls there would be considered a model at a KTV in CP. Lastly, AG and I will be heading back there again this week and will report back. I am on my way to Guangzhou now with my girl.

Cheers,
PD

[Ace Gallant]

I must say royal garden is one of the grandest ktv that I have visited in China. With its endless number of model talents and really really hot mommies, I do not know why people do not talk about it more often. And when I say models, I am not just talking about tall Chinese girls but actual model materials (face and body) that have to take lessons on how to treat customers and also do an actual cat walk on the outside stage. What can I say? AG and I were watching and drooling as the models walk by us on the stage while numerous mofia bosses pull up in their pimped up mercedes S class. No KTV is CP even comes close to it in terms of the quality of the girls and also the establishment itself. Lastly, the price is only a bit more than KTVs in CP and we only paid 1080 for a small room. We had 3 models and 2 regulars in our room. The sitting fees is 300 for a regular girl and 500 for the models. I would say even the regular girls there would be considered a model at a KTV in CP. Lastly, AG and I will be heading back there again this week and will report back. I am on my way to Guangzhou now with my girl.

Cheers,
PD

Well... I must say... PD is so dam right about the models. I was also told that the models had been hand picked not only base on their height. On the other hand, in order to work there in the model group, they have to pay 5000 training fees for all the different training they have to go through. It's a 5 days training. As you had said: Cat walk, customer service and even how to drink!

Well the pricing for Non-Models are 3-6-10 while Model girls are 5-15-20

On the mafias part, the manager told me that 80% of those who goes to this establishment are either Mafias, Big bosses, Government officials or people who are somehow connected with the government/mafias. If you do not belong to these category of people, it is best that you keep a low profile when you are there. Do not be a typical wanker or BSDs where you want to show off that you are the big boss. If you want to show off, I am very sure these big guys will nail to the wall to make sure you get the attention you need! Fortunately both PD and I kept a low profile and told the Manager that we are just 2 small employee of our Big Boss "Moody the great!" This way we still get the good service without been ripped off by paying the big bosses price. According the model girls, usually for the big bosses (Mafias or government officials included), their bill would come around 5000 to 10,000 because they would order a lot of liquor. They will also have their rooms filled with model girls at the scale of 4 girls to 1 man. The girls will order expansive food like fresh Oysters, Barbaque Lobsters etc. The girls also told me that this is not a place the non-Chinese speaking person would come to. Besides the fact that they also said that they seen very little non-Chinese foreigners. Those Non-Chinese foreigners are normally guest of the local guys.

Enjoy!
AG

[Weelock]

AG:

I got this from another website. Do you have any info on these KTV in Chang An.

The first is 世纪之花
Second is 黄碧仁
Third is 金龙岛

I think there are naked KTV's. Sorry I don't have the English names for these places.

[SE Asia Joe]

On the mafias part, the manager told me that 80% of those who goes to this establishment are either Mafias, Big bosses, Government officials or people who are somehow connected with the government/mafias. If you do not belong to these category of people, it is best that you keep a low profile when you are there. ......The girls also told me that this is not a place the non-Chinese speaking person would come to. Besides the fact that they also said that they seen very little non-Chinese foreigners. Those Non-Chinese foreigners are normally guest of the local guys.

Enjoy!
AG
I'm not quite sure about the composition of the clientelle as you suggest - but I will concur that for the most part, the clients there does not parrallell those in CP generally.

I've only been there twice, the first time with a real BSD Hong Kong friend of mine (who drives his own double HKG-China licenced plated Porsche Cayenne as if he owns all the roads there!!) and the second time with some officials from a Ministry that I used to be JV partner with. Both times I did not pay anything except for the gal fees and both times the selection was superb. I had only been joking around about wanting a White Tiger - and guess what - the mommie quickly had 4 for me to chose from! quite incredible I thought!

Do they still have the different costumes and uniforms? I.e. Stewardesses, school girls etc? I though that that was kinda neat too. Especially the Stewardesses!

One of the things that I had thought of when I was there is the fact that it is so out of the way - and that I DID have a hard time getting a car to take me back to Shenzhen that evening; I know that I did over-pay to eventually get one of the 'hotel preferred' cars there. How did you guys get to/from there?

SEAJ

[Ace Gallant]

AG:

I got this from another website. Do you have any info on these KTV in Chang An.

The first is 世纪之花
Second is 黄碧仁
Third is 金龙岛

I think there are naked KTV's. Sorry I don't have the English names for these places.

I had been to 金龙岛, yes, its a naked KTV the girls fees are 3-6-9 it is better then the Star of Star KTV in CA

Not too sure about the other two. Maybe some brothers can comment? Or you have to wait till I make my next South China rounds....

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

I'm not quite sure about the composition of the clientelle as you suggest - but I will concur that for the most part, the clients there does not parrallell those in CP generally.

I've only been there twice, the first time with a real BSD Hong Kong friend of mine (who drives his own double HKG-China licenced plated Porsche Cayenne as if he owns all the roads there!!) and the second time with some officials from a Ministry that I used to be JV partner with. Both times I did not pay anything except for the gal fees and both times the selection was superb. I had only been joking around about wanting a White Tiger - and guess what - the mommie quickly had 4 for me to chose from! quite incredible I thought!

Do they still have the different costumes and uniforms? I.e. Stewardesses, school girls etc? I though that that was kinda neat too. Especially the Stewardesses!

One of the things that I had thought of when I was there is the fact that it is so out of the way - and that I DID have a hard time getting a car to take me back to Shenzhen that evening; I know that I did over-pay to eventually get one of the 'hotel preferred' cars there. How did you guys get to/from there?

SEAJ

Yes, the mummies seems to be very willing to serve you base on your request.

No, they do not practice the Uniforms any more.

Getting to and from was not a problem for us. We actually grab a Donguan cab from the Clipper. Try not to use the Chang Ping cabs (Yellow & Green) because they may not know the best route. It cost us only 35RMB on the meter. Coming back... not a big problem... I just asked the Manager who arranged a private car taking 4 of us all the way back to Clipper at 12 midnight for 50RMB. We did not want to argue over the extra 15RMB... what the hell......


Enjoy!
AG

[SE Asia Joe]

Yes, the mummies seems to be very willing to serve you base on your request.

No, they do not practice the Uniforms any more.

Getting to and from was not a problem for us. We actually grab a Donguan cab from the Clipper. Try not to use the Chang Ping cabs (Yellow & Green) because they may not know the best route. It cost us only 35RMB on the meter. Coming back... not a big problem... I just asked the Manager who arranged a private car taking 4 of us all the way back to Clipper at 12 midnight for 50RMB. We did not want to argue over the extra 15RMB... what the hell......


Enjoy!
AG


Clarify this AG - I thought that the yellow and green cabs are NOT ALLOWED to leave the environs of Chang Ping itself. At least I think they are not allowed to pick up any fares outside of the environ of Chang Ping city - and thus their refusal to go to any destinations outside of CP.

Also, I THINK the the blue taxis operate throughout Dongguan - but again, they are NOT allowed to pick up any fares outside of Dongguan; and thus their reluctance to drive otuside of DGG and thus why most of us are forced to go by pirate taxis when going to points outside of DGG.

And on going back to CP from Dalang - yeah, RMB 15 more is no biggie - but one of the nights I was there, I had to go back to Huanggang - and I remember that they ripped me off something terrible!!

I wonder how much "tea money/month" these pirate taxis have to pay to be allowed to line up there for fares.

SEAJ

Ps. And the info on Actovegin?? yeah yeah Yeah , you're gona give me hell for asking again... but you ARE the main for these kind of esoteric info aintcha?? I just got back from my favorite 141 and wondering if I should apply it again or not....and if I'm risking my dick falling off for such frequent use.
Thanks!! Mucho gracias! Terima Kasih! Xie xie! Danke!.....

[Ace Gallant]

Clarify this AG - I thought that the yellow and green cabs are NOT ALLOWED to leave the environs of Chang Ping itself. At least I think they are not allowed to pick up any fares outside of the environ of Chang Ping city - and thus their refusal to go to any destinations outside of CP.

Also, I THINK the the blue taxis operate throughout Dongguan - but again, they are NOT allowed to pick up any fares outside of Dongguan; and thus their reluctance to drive otuside of DGG and thus why most of us are forced to go by pirate taxis when going to points outside of DGG.

And on going back to CP from Dalang - yeah, RMB 15 more is no biggie - but one of the nights I was there, I had to go back to Huanggang - and I remember that they ripped me off something terrible!!

I wonder how much "tea money/month" these pirate taxis have to pay to be allowed to line up there for fares.

SEAJ

Ps. And the info on Actovegin?? yeah yeah Yeah , you're gona give me hell for asking again... but you ARE the main for these kind of esoteric info aintcha?? I just got back from my favorite 141 and wondering if I should apply it again or not....and if I'm risking my dick falling off for such frequent use.
Thanks!! Mucho gracias! Terima Kasih! Xie xie! Danke!.....

Actually you are quite right about the CP Taxis, however, I recalled taking a CP taxi from the CP train station to my apartment in Qiao Tou. Wonder why he is able to do that? And I recalled going to a location somewhere in GZ, to take a DG taxi to Dongguan City. If they are not allowed to leave DG, how the hell they got to GZ? No, I am not challenging you on this but I really like to know too!

OK... how much did he really ripped you off by? Did he took th highway? If he did, remember 1) HuangJiang from Dalang is further away then Dalang to CP. 2) Highway toll is applicable.

OK OK... I will email my former Chemist to ask him on Actovegin but not sure how long he will take to reply me and besides, if he did, I need to translate it to English for you! Maybe by then your dick already fell off?

Enjoy!
AG

[SE Asia Joe]

Actually you are quite right about the CP Taxis, however, I recalled taking a CP taxi from the CP train station to my apartment in Qiao Tou. Wonder why he is able to do that? And I recalled going to a location somewhere in GZ, to take a DG taxi to Dongguan City. If they are not allowed to leave DG, how the hell they got to GZ? No, I am not challenging you on this but I really like to know too!

OK... how much did he really ripped you off by? Did he took th highway? If he did, remember 1) HuangJiang from Dalang is further away then Dalang to CP. 2) Highway toll is applicable.

OK OK... I will email my former Chemist to ask him on Actovegin but not sure how long he will take to reply me and besides, if he did, I need to translate it to English for you! Maybe by then your dick already fell off?

Enjoy!
AG

I THINK - its that they are NOT ALLOWED to pick up certain areas - thus their reluctance to go to destinations where they will not be able to pick up a return or otherwise fare; that they would need to go back "empty" to an area where they can pick up a fare. (I don't think that they are restricted frrom going anywhere)

$$ of course talks and if you're willing to pay, I betcha the guy will even drive you up to Shanghai!! Just so long as he figures that he's goona come out ahead on the deal even if he needs to go back 'empty'

and Thanks on the actovegin - will probably need to use it again as I'm headed back up there today.

SEAJ

[Playboy2000]

RG doesn't seem to be the right place for a non-speaker, non-ethnic like myself...but out of curiosity, where is it? Is it in DG?

[Weelock]

RG doesn't seem to be the right place for a non-speaker, non-ethnic like myself...but out of curiosity, where is it? Is it in DG?

If what AG said is true, then only way you are going to get in if you do your eyes like James Bond did in "You Only Live Twice", or you know some people in high places like One Wing Low. He claims to know people in high places in China. My stupid jokes again.

Anyway jokes aside, here are three maps below. If you travel from Zhuhui, Humen or east of Dongguan by public bus to Chang Ping, you will normally go by the hotel. There is really nothing around the area. The hotel itself was recently built, A 5 star hotel with a 5 star KTV, towards the high end.

[Ace Gallant]

If what AG said is true, then only way you are going to get in if you do your eyes like James Bond did in "You Only Live Twice", or you know some people in high places like One Wing Low. He claims to know people in high places in China.

Anyway, jokes aside here are three maps below. If you travel from Zhuhui, Humen or east of Dongguan by public bus to Chang Ping, you will normally go by the hotel. There is really nothing around the area. The hotel itself was recently built. A 5 star hotel with a 5 star KTV, towards the high end.

Well, I didn't said that you need to know people in high places or you have to be someone special to get in. But what I did said was: If you do not belongs to those category of people it is best you keep a low profile. I had seen some wanker group in CP KTVs or Shanghai KTV where they acted like big shots shouting at the girls, waiters and sometime even other guest. You can try doing that in RG KTVs and I bet you some Mafia WILL take you out and cut out your balls.

Unless you have 10 - 20 bodyguards sitting outside waiting for you while you are enjoying the girls in the rooms, you had better to keep your loud voice to yourself. While we were on the way out that night, I saw the waiting area outside populated with big size guys dressed in black suits (30 - 40) and I am quite sure that they are someone's bodyguards.

So, if you feel like taking to challenge and want to make it to front page; go ahead, pay RG KTV a visit and act like an ass. But before you do it, please let us know so that we have to honor of knowing that a member of ISG had made it to front page.

Enjoy!
AG

[SE Asia Joe]

Well, I didn't said that you need to know people in high places or you have to be someone special to get in. But what I did said was: If you do not belongs to those category of people it is best you keep a low profile. I had seen some wanker group in CP KTVs or Shanghai KTV where they acted like big shots shouting at the girls, waiters and sometime even other guest. You can try doing that in RG KTVs and I bet you some Mafia WILL take you out and cut out your balls.

Unless you have 10 - 20 bodyguards sitting outside waiting for you while you are enjoying the girls in the rooms, you had better to keep your loud voice to yourself. While we were on the way out that night, I saw the waiting area outside populated with big size guys dressed in black suits (30 - 40) and I am quite sure that they are someone's bodyguards.

So, if you feel like taking to challenge and want to make it to front page; go ahead, pay RG KTV a visit and act like an ass. But before you do it, please let us know so that we have to honor of knowing that a member of ISG had made it to front page.

Enjoy!
AG

I say..... NOT A GOOD IDEA to act like an asshole ANYWHERE in China - especially if you're a laowai/foreigner. All Chinese are usually quite accomodating and friendly - but the PRC Chinese does have a general grudge against what they feel are International injustices against them (many times in the past, such feelings had actually been nurtured or 'nudged' along by the powers that be). A such, it doesn't take much for Chinese "National/Racial Pride" to rear its head and throw all reason aside. And Laowais/foreigners stands out so easily in China - especially when we forget that we ARE guests in their country.

Mix all this in a KTV and other entertainment venues with Liquor, ladies to impress, a general loud and boisterous atmosphere - and you've got quite an explosive combination.

But you're right AG, ESPECIALLY at RG as there ARE some serious characters there!

SEAJ

[Ace Gallant]

I say..... NOT A GOOD IDEA to act like an asshole ANYWHERE in China - especially if you're a laowai/foreigner. All Chinese are usually quite accomodating and friendly - but the PRC Chinese does have a general grudge against what they feel are International injustices against them (many times in the past, such feelings had actually been nurtured or 'nudged' along by the powers that be). A such, it doesn't take much for Chinese "National/Racial Pride" to rear its head and throw all reason aside. And Laowais/foreigners stands out so easily in China - especially when we forget that we ARE guests in their country.

Mix all this in a KTV and other entertainment venues with Liquor, ladies to impress, a general loud and boisterous atmosphere - and you've got quite an explosive combination.

But you're right AG, ESPECIALLY at RG as there ARE some serious characters there!

SEAJ

Did I need to mention that the group in Shanghai that would beat up Laowai at the sight of them with a Chinese girls, still exist? And the worst nightmare is, I was told recently when I was visiting GZ, my friend in GZ told me such groups of people exist in Guangdong!

Laowai or no Laowai, you are right: we are foreigners we are guest in their country it is best to act like we are the little lambs!

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

let me only state the facts from what i found in cp this trip so far.

1) although the girls supply in bbs are thinning out due to the cny, there is still a good supply in coming from factories that are closed or closing down. i had done 2 bbs girls yesterday that are both fresh from the closed down factories. these girls complained that they do not have enough money to go home. if they go home; their families would expect them to bring home money or gifts for the cny. so they would rather stay in cp.

2) i did a peek-a-walk on 3 ktvs last night and still found ktvs that are fully stocked. when been asked, the ktvs managers and mummies said that during cny, there will be at least 90% of their girls not returning to home town. i never trust them… so i will give them a 50% discount making the stock take numbers to 45% strength.

3) on the raids, had a chat with my contacts in cp, they told me that they will step up raids on places whom “forgotten” to pay their “rent”. you guys go figure out what “forgotten” and “rent” means…..police collecting “rent”?.... anyways… they do these before cny….everyone want to bring back more money for cny. however on mummies information side, of course they would tell their client, “don’t worry…there are not so many raids…. we would know if they are coming so we will tell you ahead of time”. oh yes ….yeah right!

4) swan lake yesterday is half stock at 5pm but back to fully stock at 7pm.

5) you do not need a booking ahead of time in order to do the saunas and there are plenty of girls available. again…the mummies would tell you the same thing that not many of their girls are going home…. so translating “not many” with the “let’s not trust the mummies” theory, you get “lots many”!

6) there are a lot less mongers on the streets as compared to the local enjoying their space for the holidays. a good source of knowing how many mongers and tourists are in town is to check with the foot massage places. at 3 ~ 5pm they are all not full! you can nicely get a room without calling ahead to book.

7) overall, the business had gone down not because of cny coming but mainly because of the financial crisis. there are a lot less “tourist” than before.

8) the night market is buzzing with girls at 11:45 last night. but there are not many customers driving past in cars or vans. bloody murder when i ended up paying 400 for a lt just because i fell in love with a very very hot “xiao mummy”. initially, her mummy did not want to let her go because she is her assistant mummy and was trying to sell her 10 others girls in her stock list! ok ok, go ahead and flame me for been a bsd in spoiling the market!!! but it was midnight and i had only done 2 pops from the 2 previous factory girls over the last 9 hours! i was desperate to get this hottest girl in cp on my bed and fuck her to death!

anyways…the xiao mummy (lan zhi) was super hot… for those who knew me would have known that i don’t usually give away a 8/10 for any girl in cp…. not especially for a bbs girl! this, i am saying, not under the control of my little head. however the only problem is, as expected… the service level you would get from an asst. mummy is not quite good. from the number of mummies that i had fucked over the last 4 years in china, i never had one that had a service level of over 5/10.
tonight will be another night of further investigation with pleasure dude and a couple of isg’s friend incoming….

enjoy!
ag

[Ace Gallant]

Latest information is that the Mayflower Hotel opening is delayed till after CNY. However words was out that the KTV is operating undercover.

Will Investigate and report back.

Enjoy!
AG

[Bnlee2]

Did I need to mention that the group in Shanghai that would beat up Laowai at the sight of them with a Chinese girls, still exist? And the worst nightmare is, I was told recently when I was visiting GZ, my friend in GZ told me such groups of people exist in Guangdong!

Laowai or no Laowai, you are right: we are foreigners we are guest in their country it is best to act like we are the little lambs!

Enjoy!

AGAce,

I was told about it, not just laowai, they even have a chip on their shoulder against guys like us, foreign born asian. They have a problem with us taking their opportunities away from them. They feel that we have an unfair advantage over them, mainly economical. Many of those guys usually have some bad experiences with laowais or foreign born asian like us. It could either be a bad job experience where they felt they were let go unfairly by us and losing an opportunity or even worse losing a women to one of us.

For me, when I sense that they have a chip on their shoulder against us, I just stay as far away from them as possible. For them life is just another cheap commodity, for me, I find life a bit more valuable than that.

I know from time to time write about freebies especially the married or rather underused busy executives wives and these guy could be one of the guys you are talking about. Sometimes. I just love a bit of danger in my life. Don't worry, I usually have the freebie give me a few recent pics of her significant other so that I can see who maybe hunting for me.

[Ace Gallant]

Ace,

I was told about it, not just laowai, they even have a chip on their shoulder against guys like us, foreign born asian. They have a problem with us taking their opportunities away from them. They feel that we have an unfair advantage over them, mainly economical. Many of those guys usually have some bad experiences with laowais or foreign born asian like us. It could either be a bad job experience where they felt they were let go unfairly by us and losing an opportunity or even worse losing a women to one of us.

For me, when I sense that they have a chip on their shoulder against us, I just stay as far away from them as possible. For them life is just another cheap commodity, for me, I find life a bit more valuable than that.

I know from time to time write about freebies especially the married or rather underused busy executives wives and these guy could be one of the guys you are talking about. Sometimes. I just love a bit of danger in my life. Don't worry, I usually have the freebie give me a few recent pics of her significant other so that I can see who maybe hunting for me.

Well, Laowai or Foreigner Chinese, I still think that Laowai is at much higher risk because you can easily spot one from the crowd. Especially those Laowais who talks loud, shouts at the locals if they don't get what they want, thinking that because they are foreigner; people give them their ways.... Then again there are a lot of Laowais that I knew thinks that because they are foreigners; the local would think that they are special and would want to befriend them.

What I had learned from the locals is that the local wants to be friends with foreigners only because they wants to take advantage of us or leverage on us in terms of money, status or many other reasons. Deep within their hearts if they were to take sides, they will still chose to defend their own local Chinese. However there are some tricks that I had learned from the Chinese: “Money fix almost anything!” and you most had heard this from me before: “Especially with the mummies from Yalan or from the big KTV, it is just a business and it is all about money, there is no such thing as a personal friend with these people. You try to fuck them up on money, they will make sure you get a piece of their mind!” But you are right also, we overseas Chinese are not fully risk free. It is best to still keep a distance from them. You may never know that this hand from a local “Friend” that you are shaking today may turn around to be holding that knife that is use to kill you.

On the freebies; I never fuck around with married women, I had learned that these are the most dangerous of them all. If things turn bad on them, they can get you into big trouble!

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Latest information is that the Mayflower Hotel opening is delayed till after CNY. However words was out that the KTV is operating undercover.

Will Investigate and report back.

Enjoy!
AG

Nope, It is not open yet!

Apparently someone was giving out false information.

BTW: I still thinks that Hui Hua KTV has the best girls among all the KTVs in CP. I am not comparing in term of best looking girls but I am comparing in terms of the attitude of the girls, the services they provide and the willingness of the girls to please you. I think this is mainly because Hui Hua's strict management. They made all the girls pay a deposit of 850RMB before they can start working there and the girls will get fine for almost everything! That includes complains from their customers.

Enjoy!
AG

[Bnlee2]

....On the freebies; I never fuck around with married women, I had learned that these are the most dangerous of them all. If things turn bad on them, they can get you into big trouble!

Enjoy!

AGYou are probably correct. I had some very close calls in this area. I'm getting older and run much slower. I have consider thinking about retiring from this bad habit that I have in this area. The major pluses that I'm giving up is that the gals in this group can get rather "kinky" fun due to their pent up desire of sex. It will require a whole lot of withdrawal. Maybe the medicine is to do a double fly with two 19year old to replace a nympho underused 40 year old that had not had anything for the last year or more. Help me lord. Help me. Got any suggestion to help me kick the habit.

[Ace Gallant]

You are probably correct. I had some very close calls in this area. I'm getting older and run much slower. I have consider thinking about retiring from this bad habit that I have in this area. The major pluses that I'm giving up is that the gals in this group can get rather "kinky" fun due to their pent up desire of sex. It will require a whole lot of withdrawal. Maybe the medicine is to do a double fly with two 19year old to replace a nympho underused 40 year old that had not had anything for the last year or more. Help me lord. Help me. Got any suggestion to help me kick the habit.After a number of days in deep thoughts I decided to give up. Give up in trying to find a way to help you kick that habit!

To me. Sex is worst than drugs. I had measured it. It is something that I need every 20 hours!

Enjoy!
AG

[Bnlee2]

After a number of days in deep thoughts I decided to give up. Give up in trying to find a way to help you kick that habit!

To me. Sex is worst than drugs. I had measured it. It is something that I need every 20 hours!

Enjoy!

AGSome of these older married underused ones are quite creative in bed, probably from the pent-up desire by not getting enough at home. Creative and kinky is the best to describe them. The cost is almost minimal since their signif. Other usually gives them a lot of spending $$$.

Thanks for at least trying.

[Ace Gallant]

I am in CP and done the following KTVs:

1) Hua Du : Halfway onward train station from Manhattan

Girls are not that many (Compared to other KTVs) and the problem is that most of the good ones do not go out! (WTF???)

1 bottle of Whisky + 3 bottles Red wine + 3 Green tea + 6 cans of 7up + Food + etc etc... Damage: 1500+ came out to be around 300 each for 5 of us. Room fee 350 consumables.

Oh! forgotten to mention the 12 bottles of free beers which I received from a Mummy I had known for over 2 years. Although this is my 1st time to Hua Du and I didn't book the room through her, she insist on giving me the beers for free.

Thanks to member (Sorry don't know your handle) name start with Letter "D" Booked the room. We had a good evening! Oh... be careful about this: SE Asia Joe, would likely called you BSD because we went over his 260 per person limit!

2) Hui Hua KTV: I always loved Hui Hua! I never had bad girls from there. All the girls I had from there are playful, full of joy and great service!

1 bottle of Black Labels (Free) + 3 bottles Red wine + 2 Green tea + 3 cans of 7up + Food + etc etc... Damage: 1600+ come out to be around 400 each for 5 of us. But dear Moddy was so nice and keep insisting on paying the bill. However... we decline. The bottle of Black Label is a free gift from the DJ whom I has been shagging for free for the past 1 year. Room fee (Mid-Size) 780 covers consumables.

Again ... here we would be called as BSDs because we went over the 260 per person limit.

3) Tao Yuan: Everything is the same as before, Manager told me actually the business is better the a year ago!

I did not stay long as I was meeting my DJ from Huihua for a night session as it is her day off.

4) Tonight: God I don't know???? OAH, Wadman and King of BSDs SE Asia Joe is in Town! and I am stuck with my GF from Hui Hua footie!

Enjoy!
AG

[BruceTea]

Why'd you order Red Wine?? What are you, a romantic? hahahaha...come on, stick to the cheap beers and/or hard liquors. Me? I don't drink, but if I'm impressing my girl, I'll have a glass of Red Wine and I don't know, speak french or something to her, while crossing over her arm to drink interconnected.

Hua Du was fun and cheap. The Flower Lineup was ok. I was too slow and indecisive so I didn't get a girl of my type. The type of girls I like go very quickly. But it was my first lineup and I gotta say, it's good practice for future Flower lineups at the infamous Jia Yi. But thank goodness I didn't go during my virgin trip to CP. I'm wasn't ready for Jia Yi, then.

Another KTV was at Swan Lake. Again, I had fun and finally got a girl who's my type, thanks to our veteran guide. Seriously, I gotta grow aggressive when selecting girls or else I'm holding up the line. And I ain't no good at choosing two girls. I can't provide attention to two, man. I give all my lovin to one girl. Yep, I'm a romantic.

I like my KTV experiences. I'm not a drinker, but I do like the environment and the playing with the girls. Granted, I still haven't "learned" how to "play" with the girls, but with my girl, I get plenty of GFE, which I truly enjoy.

Another plus to going to CP is getting together with some really great people. I'm actually beginning to feel that I miss the guys more than I miss the girls....no wait, that's not true...must be the red-wine-talk that's blurring my priorities. Ok, girls first, but the guys a close second.


By the way, I'm beginning to think that getting the DJs is one step above getting the KTV girls. I mean, the KTV girls are paid to sit and go out with you, but the DJs? Hmm....must work on my skills at hitting on the girls.

[Ace Gallant]

Why'd you order Red Wine?? What are you, a romantic? hahahaha...come on, stick to the cheap beers and/or hard liquors. Me? I don't drink, but if I'm impressing my girl, I'll have a glass of Red Wine and I don't know, speak french or something to her, while crossing over her arm to drink interconnected.


Price of Red Wine: 268 / Bottle (Buy 2 get 1 free)

Price of Hard Liquor: 680 / Bottle

Price of Beers: 58 / Bottle (Small)

On Average for 4 Persons : You would drink One bottle of Hard liquor or 12 bottles of beers or 3 bottles of Red Wine (Red wines is always buy 2 get 1 free)

Our group are not great drinkers, do the maths.

Oh BTW: Yes, language is the key, I never fails to impressed the girls with my multi-language skills.... of course what come after is the bed skills....hahahaha!

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Another plus to going to CP is getting together with some really great people. I'm actually beginning to feel that I miss the guys more than I miss the girls....no wait, that's not true...must be the red-wine-talk that's blurring my priorities. Ok, girls first, but the guys a close second.

By the way, I'm beginning to think that getting the DJs is one step above getting the KTV girls. I mean, the KTV girls are paid to sit and go out with you, but the DJs? Hmm....must work on my skills at hitting on the girls.

What???? Another pussies more important than friends guy???? I remembered talking about this topic over a year ago !!! Come on!! Don't be an A-Hole! Isn't these the bunch of guys that broke your CP cherry and showed you a good time in CP??? You wouldn't have a good time if these guys (sorry that excludes me!) didn't pointed you the directions or even showed you around, so ditch that girls more important then friends thought in your head! hahahaha!

OK.. the fun with DJs, footies girls or in general; I term them as freebies is different from the fun you get with KTV, BBS or in general Pros. First of all, it's the challenge. However, getting freebies is not the skill part, the skill part is getting rid of them!! Come on... this is CP! "Central of Pussies" I keep on telling everyone, every girl in CP has a price tag. How does freebies fit in? Simple: Girls with high price tags will normally hide their price tags and disguise as pure innocent girls. What they wants from you is their long term investment ROI and not cheap 2-5-8 deals. once they get you hooked.... they will show you the bill! Now...the way to play it is simple too! Let me give you a hint;

What will you do if you buy a cellphone?
1) Go to a store,
2) Chose a model,
3) Pay and you leave.
Total time spent: 1 hour max.

What will you do if you want to buy a US$50,000 car?
1) Go to the dealer,
2) Let the dealer impress you
3) Test drive
4) Try out at least half the features on the car
5) Go back do the paper works if you like it, and walkout if you don't.
6) maybe drive off or have the car, with the color is want, delivered to you another day.

Total time spend: Maybe 5 ~ 10 time compared from buying a cell?

The Key word here are: Test Drive, Walkout.

Now go figure that out!

Enjoy!
AG

[SE Asia Joe]

Price of Red Wine: 268 / Bottle (Buy 2 get 1 free)

Price of Hard Liquor: 680 / Bottle

Price of Beers: 58 / Bottle (Small)

On Average for 4 Persons : You would drink One bottle of Hard liquor or 12 bottles of beers or 3 bottles of Red Wine (Red wines is always buy 2 get 1 free)

Our group are not great drinkers, do the maths.

!
AG
Errrrr..... Great master..... your math is.....off!!

1. Beer is anywhere from 30 - 40/bottle and most places offer B2G1 or Even B1G1 - and thus the avergae price of beer is approx 20-25/bottle
2. Red wine is not ALWAYS B2G1 - especially if you're an idiot and not ask, they'll just charge you without anything free
3.A bottle of liquor can be stretched to 26 shots - (only 18 if you believe the legend about why there is 18 holes in a golf course - that a bottle of whisky has 18 shots only). Problem here is the fact that most DJ's will pre-mix hard liquor and mixers are an extra RMB 18-22 extra. All this is gonna cost a helluva lot more than straight beer
4. The fact that the DJ's will most likely make the drink stronger and stronger as the evening wears on. And then there are those who insists on making his own drinks - and these guys make their own drink progressivley stronger - "chasing the High" is what happens. Beer is beer and you cain't make it stronger or weaker! Plus with beer, I get all bloated up that my stomach - large as it is - physically cannot accomodate too much beer and .... the gas!!
5. same thing with Red wine and the cost of the mixers....plus of course my asertion that your favorite drink - red wine mixed with 7Up is such a sucky drink!!

Errrrr..... you really pay RMB 58 for each bottle of beer???

SEAJ

[BruceTea]

Let me only state the facts from what I found in CP this trip so far.

8) The night market is buzzing with girls at 11:45 last night. But there are not many customers driving past in cars or vans. Bloody murder when I ended up paying 400 for a LT just because I fell in love with a very very hot “Xiao Mummy”. Initially, her mummy did not want to let her go because she is her Assistant mummy and was trying to sell her 10 others girls in her stock list!

Anyways…the Xiao Mummy (Lan Zhi) was super hot… for those who knew me would have known that I don’t usually give away a 8/10 for any girl in CP…. Not especially for a BBS girl! However the only problem is, as expected… the service level you would get from an Asst. mummy is not quite good. From the number of mummies that I had fucked over the last 4 years in China, I never had one that had a service level of over 5/10.



I really like the Night Market.

That night of meeting and being initiated by being laughed at due to my CP virgin status, I was in the mood for some "night market snack." Plus, when at the Lotus Bar, watching all those hot girls with guys made me feel left out.

Since it was 1:30 am, Wad and friend was kind enough to take me to the Night Market. There was like 3 or so cars already choosing so business was good? The girls came out to the cars and the mommies tried to sell her girl(s). For me, I was surprised.
(1) Quality of the girls was above above average. Darn nice, in my opinion.
(2) Skimpy dressed to dressed in jeans. Got a lot of varieties.
(3) Was told that these are BBS girls (BBS closes around midnight) or KTV unchosen girls. In other words, Me Likey~
(4) Good deal. Can't remember what I paid the mommie, but after deed, was told to give her 120 or so for sex and cab ride back.
(5) Sex available from 1 am to dawn. Can't beat that. Thanks again ISG bros!

Ok, picked a really sweet looking petite A-boob girl. Girl is like a girl-next-door look who I wouldn't think would do such services! Really innocent looking. Wad and friend said their goodbyes and winks of luck and I'm flagging down the first cab to my hotel.

She's all business but we got to chat a bit. Told me sob story of making only 100 rmb for the night and she's short 500 rmb for rent, and how she lives right near my hotel. Anyhow, got sex going and finished. I didn't light kiss her (only girl I didn't in my entire trip, maybe I WAS a CP virgin) or get a BJ from her (honestly didn't ask or really cared if I got one). I actually came twice already from 7 to 9 pm from a sauna so I was fresh worn out from all the BBBJs.

She got dressed and I asked if she'd overnight. Don't want to be the ONLY CP guy in a hotel without a overnight girl (haha). Kidding. She said she' wants to make more money. I was thinking, GIRL, it's 2:00 or so am. There's like 40 girls at the Night Market. I'm offering you to stay for Overnight which would be like what 300 or 400 RMB?? I honestly didn't know (darn you Wad for taking off without properly teaching me!!). Anyway, she took my money, gave me a pecking kiss on lips before departure, promised to stay with me for the next night and offered to go out with me during the next day. Guess she REALLY wanted to go back to work...

In any case, the next day, met up with SEAJ and his posse. There was like 15 of us, so I never called her and when she called, I told her I won't be hanging out with her. She called again in the evening but I was in a KTV and told her I was with with friends. Anyway, things kinda got "dramatic" in a way and I won't bore you and the folks here with trivial shit like that.

In all, the night market girl was kinda good in looks, body, and attitude. I was surprised, thinking it's leftover rejects or old hags, but that's far from the case. There are some really pretty eye-candy here. I don't know about overnighting attitude or if they are "tricky" like considering two pops automatically fulfills their overnight duty, but if looking for a nice face to fuck or if you are alone at 2 am, I'd consider a ride out there for a lookie.

[Ace Gallant]

Errrrr..... Great master..... your math is.....off!!

1. Beer is anywhere from 30 - 40/bottle and most places offer B2G1 or Even B1G1 - and thus the avergae price of beer is approx 20-25/bottle
2. Red wine is not ALWAYS B2G1 - especially if you're an idiot and not ask, they'll just charge you without anything free
3.A bottle of liquor can be stretched to 26 shots - (only 18 if you believe the legend about why there is 18 holes in a golf course - that a bottle of whisky has 18 shots only). Problem here is the fact that most DJ's will pre-mix hard liquor and mixers are an extra RMB 18-22 extra. All this is gonna cost a helluva lot more than straight beer
4. The fact that the DJ's will most likely make the drink stronger and stronger as the evening wears on. And then there are those who insists on making his own drinks - and these guys make their own drink progressivley stronger - "chasing the High" is what happens. Beer is beer and you cain't make it stronger or weaker! Plus with beer, I get all bloated up that my stomach - large as it is - physically cannot accomodate too much beer and .... the gas!!
5. same thing with Red wine and the cost of the mixers....plus of course my asertion that your favorite drink - red wine mixed with 7Up is such a sucky drink!!

Errrrr..... you really pay RMB 58 for each bottle of beer???

SEAJ

Ok, maybe I have my numbers wrong but:

1) As I don't drink beer, and for me, the beers are always free from either the DJ or manager or someone. However, the KTV make their money from the drinks, fruit, etc.... how else will they survive if they do not charge you for something else? Besides, the room charges are consumables, so if like this case, the beers are free, they have to charge some liquor right? If not, how else will we spend the room charges?

2) Hard Liquor & Red Wine: well again, I know some guys prefer Beers, some prefer Wine and some; Whisky (Although we know most of them are fake) so why are we forcing others to drink what you prefer and what is cheaper? I for one loves Red Wine even the local wine it taste like shit! But this is because I know I will not be drunk and yet pays 800RMB for a KTV take out! Besides; as you said...the Gas from Beer.... get the stomach bloated up! I never had an experience where the KTV tried to cheat me even if I don't ask if the Wine is 1 for 1 or 3 for 2... they would always tell me before I order. Are you saying they did treated like an idiot and had cheated you before for not asking?

3) DJ making the drink stronger and stronger... well... I will always tell the DJ at the beginning how I want my drink mixed and would order just enough 7up or Green Tea for the mix. And if you had forgotten, if we do order more of anything, we have to sign for it. So there is slim chance of the DJ mixing more. Besides; will you not be able to tell whether the drink is strong or weak?

4) Of course there is a fact that I would only like to get DJs that I know to service my room! Call me a BSD but If I go to a new KTV, I would get the DJ cell# and perhaps if she work hard, I would give her a little more tips. I would keep in touch with the DJ. The next time if I ever go back, I would book the room through her. This will be DJs that will "Take care" of you. Of course again; with some special exception this is where I get to fuck the DJ too.

5) 58 RMB for a Bottle of Beer.... OK maybe I was off... but that is the Shanghai price! But I always believe, everyone have to make a living, if you squeeze them too much and they cannot make money, they go away... we don't want all of these to go away do we? I remembered there was this very nice bar in Shanghai whom the owner believe in pure clean honest business, they sell beers @ 10 rmb per bottle because their cost is 5RMB making 100% is good enough to cover cost and 10% profit. Unfortunately the bar closed down in 6 months!

To conclude: There are guys who come into town once in a while or just once, if they want to be ripped off, and spend the money, why do we bother to stop them? Without them, the business will not grow and service will go downhill. I am a strong believer that it is all a cycle. There are those who like pay a lot for the purpose of showing off, there are those who just do not mind paying just to have a good time and there are many more reason why they over pay; if you do not like to overpay just keep it to yourself, why flamed others who does? I am sure for the last 10 years there are many who had been doing the same, but the standard prices still stays the same! It will not change us because we are careful not to overpay?? So the theory of over-paying spoils the market does not works here, or at least I had not seen it working in CP for the past 4 years I had been having fun there.

I am sure the mummies, managers and DJ are smart enough to know who are the ones they should rip-off and who are the one they need to keep happy. Let's turn the table around if you are running the business, wouldn't you do the same? Wouldn't you try to make more money from the one timer or those that only comes into town once every six months or so? And of course like you, you are in CP every weekend, wouldn't the mummies treat better and try not to rip you off?

Enjoy!
AG

[AsnDragon]

Yo Bruce,


How come i was never invited to your nightmarket rendezvous ? I know I'm not the best "wingman" but that's only because you sold me out to the chick. j/k

Anyhow, I gotta agree with you, I find some true gems at the nightmarket. Too bad they occasionally get raided every so often, so at times it's difficult to get any chicks late at night.

AsnDragon


I really like the Night Market.

That night of meeting and being initiated by being laughed at due to my CP virgin status, I was in the mood for some "night market snack." Plus, when at the Lotus Bar, watching all those hot girls with guys made me feel left out.

Since it was 1:30 am, Wad and friend was kind enough to take me to the Night Market. There was like 3 or so cars already choosing so business was good? The girls came out to the cars and the mommies tried to sell her girl(s). For me, I was surprised.
(1) Quality of the girls was above above average. Darn nice, in my opinion.
(2) Skimpy dressed to dressed in jeans. Got a lot of varieties.
(3) Was told that these are BBS girls (BBS closes around midnight) or KTV unchosen girls. In other words, Me Likey~
(4) Good deal. Can't remember what I paid the mommie, but after deed, was told to give her 120 or so for sex and cab ride back.
(5) Sex available from 1 am to dawn. Can't beat that. Thanks again ISG bros!

Ok, picked a really sweet looking petite A-boob girl. Girl is like a girl-next-door look who I wouldn't think would do such services! Really innocent looking. Wad and friend said their goodbyes and winks of luck and I'm flagging down the first cab to my hotel.

She's all business but we got to chat a bit. Told me sob story of making only 100 rmb for the night and she's short 500 rmb for rent, and how she lives right near my hotel. Anyhow, got sex going and finished. I didn't light kiss her (only girl I didn't in my entire trip, maybe I WAS a CP virgin) or get a BJ from her (honestly didn't ask or really cared if I got one). I actually came twice already from 7 to 9 pm from a sauna so I was fresh worn out from all the BBBJs.

She got dressed and I asked if she'd overnight. Don't want to be the ONLY CP guy in a hotel without a overnight girl (haha). Kidding. She said she' wants to make more money. I was thinking, GIRL, it's 2:00 or so am. There's like 40 girls at the Night Market. I'm offering you to stay for Overnight which would be like what 300 or 400 RMB?? I honestly didn't know (darn you Wad for taking off without properly teaching me!!). Anyway, she took my money, gave me a pecking kiss on lips before departure, promised to stay with me for the next night and offered to go out with me during the next day. Guess she REALLY wanted to go back to work...

In any case, the next day, met up with SEAJ and his posse. There was like 15 of us, so I never called her and when she called, I told her I won't be hanging out with her. She called again in the evening but I was in a KTV and told her I was with with friends. Anyway, things kinda got "dramatic" in a way and I won't bore you and the folks here with trivial shit like that.

In all, the night market girl was kinda good in looks, body, and attitude. I was surprised, thinking it's leftover rejects or old hags, but that's far from the case. There are some really pretty eye-candy here. I don't know about overnighting attitude or if they are "tricky" like considering two pops automatically fulfills their overnight duty, but if looking for a nice face to fuck or if you are alone at 2 am, I'd consider a ride out there for a lookie.

[AsnDragon]

AG,


I like your take on the girl's price tag. "Girls with high price tags will normally hide their price tags and disguise as pure innocent girls." I never thought of it that way. I always thought that most girls who are do footie or DJs is because they have this unexplainable integrity within themselves that they will not, for the time being..., sell their bodies for money. But I guess you are right, every girl in CP really does have a price tag. the problem is...the good ones that I like, i can't seem to afford their price tag.

There are some serious BSD's in CP. people who buy luxury apartments and 5 series BMW for girls who they want to go after, as if it's just a drop in the bucket. CP is suppose to make you feel like you are the king and your money goes a long way. But in comparison, CP makes you feel like a little peanut to the really rich guys out there! For old timers like me, I can't for the life of me understand where all this money comes from.


AsnDragon




What???? Another pussies more important than friends guy???? I remembered talking about this topic over a year ago !!! Come on!! Don't be an A-Hole! Isn't these the bunch of guys that broke your CP cherry and showed you a good time in CP??? You wouldn't have a good time if these guys (sorry that excludes me!) didn't pointed you the directions or even showed you around, so ditch that girls more important then friends thought in your head! hahahaha!

OK.. the fun with DJs, footies girls or in general; I term them as freebies is different from the fun you get with KTV, BBS or in general Pros. First of all, it's the challenge. However, getting freebies is not the skill part, the skill part is getting rid of them!! Come on... this is CP! "Central of Pussies" I keep on telling everyone, every girl in CP has a price tag. How does freebies fit in? Simple: Girls with high price tags will normally hide their price tags and disguise as pure innocent girls. What they wants from you is their long term investment ROI and not cheap 2-5-8 deals. once they get you hooked.... they will show you the bill! Now...the way to play it is simple too! Let me give you a hint;

What will you do if you buy a cellphone?
1) Go to a store,
2) Chose a model,
3) Pay and you leave.
Total time spent: 1 hour max.

What will you do if you want to buy a US$50,000 car?
1) Go to the dealer,
2) Let the dealer impress you
3) Test drive
4) Try out at least half the features on the car
5) Go back do the paper works if you like it, and walkout if you don't.
6) maybe drive off or have the car, with the color is want, delivered to you another day.

Total time spend: Maybe 5 ~ 10 time compared from buying a cell?

The Key word here are: Test Drive, Walkout.

Now go figure that out!

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

AG,


I like your take on the girl's price tag. "Girls with high price tags will normally hide their price tags and disguise as pure innocent girls." I never thought of it that way. I always thought that most girls who are do footie or DJs is because they have this unexplainable integrity within themselves that they will not, for the time being..., sell their bodies for money. But I guess you are right, every girl in CP really does have a price tag. the problem is...the good ones that I like, i can't seem to afford their price tag.

There are some serious BSD's in CP. people who buy luxury apartments and 5 series BMW for girls who they want to go after, as if it's just a drop in the bucket. CP is suppose to make you feel like you are the king and your money goes a long way. But in comparison, CP makes you feel like a little peanut to the really rich guys out there! For old timers like me, I can't for the life of me understand where all this money comes from.


AsnDragon

Not Bragging but I cannot tell you enough how many of these "pure innocent girls" I had saw showing their colors once I got my dick into their pussies! As I know; all the girls who headed to CP know what they are expecting. Everyone knows what is CP all about; "integrity" is a word that is long been erased from their dictionary!

As for the BSDs part, I must say; when I started going to CP 5 to 6 years back, it was the town to be for any man to be the King! Unfortunately; these times had past due to the over publicity and popularity of this town. I am one of those to be blamed as I was part of those who had posted tons of information on the board. That is also the reason why I had slowed down and only communicates details via the PM systems. Trust me, I am still a strong believer of information sharing but one must know where the limit is. Unfortunately there are some who post very frequently on the board is also guilty of overspending on these girls and spoiling the market. I had thought it though and only can conclude that: “With all these money spend on the girls; I guess it is only fair for them to seek a psychological balance by bragging on the board on their achievements”.

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

AG,

I like your take on the girl's price tag. "Girls with high price tags will normally hide their price tags and disguise as pure innocent girls." I never thought of it that way. I always thought that most girls who are do footie or DJs is because they have this unexplainable integrity within themselves that they will not, for the time being..., sell their bodies for money. But I guess you are right, every girl in CP really does have a price tag. the problem is...the good ones that I like, i can't seem to afford their price tag.

AsnDragon

Actually, this is happening not only in CP, I had, in the course of traveling within many smaller towns in China, found that it is very true! CP, CA, ZMT, are larger in numbers mainly because it is closer to travel to via Hong Kong.

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Yo Bruce,


How come i was never invited to your nightmarket rendezvous ? I know I'm not the best "wingman" but that's only because you sold me out to the chick. j/k

Anyhow, I gotta agree with you, I find some true gems at the nightmarket. Too bad they occasionally get raided every so often, so at times it's difficult to get any chicks late at night.

AsnDragon

Have you ever thought of this: Stay in a hotel closer the night market and have the mummy deliver the girls for your pickings?

Done that many times. Only set back, your choices are lesser, but I made up the numbers from knowing several mummies really well!

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Yes Yes Yes, CP is under crackdown..... in fact which part of China isn't now? Inner Mongolia? XinJiang?

BUT!

I was passing by CP yesterday and found the same KTVs, BBSs, Saunas and SWs operating just the way they use to. Except that BBSs are forced to move their location so very often that non-regulars really have to have direct contact with the mummies in order to keep track of where to view their merchandise when in town. KTVs are operating as per normal but it is very often they are getting police checks (especially Saturdays). Saunas are operating undercover and only taking regular customers that calls up in advance for bookings.

The authorities involved are from several departments like Fire dept, Narcotics, Vice and of course the local police. In fact the last raid also involved people from the central bureau of internet security aka Cyber police. (Why the fuck are involved?). Is it only I who noticed that the days the raids were conducted were 2-4-6 (Tuesday, Thursdays and Saturdays)? Well the mummies and KTV managers told me the same.

Well, CP isn't as open as they used to be now, especially for new comers, but the facilties are still available. For new comer, perhaps you can choose to use BSD's services which definitely guarantees you of getting laid. But for those of you who a seasoned mongers or do not want to pay US$75 per day for his services, don't be scared by all these post on the board about raids and people geting arrested! Pussies are still available in CP, these posts are just local marketing. Like those you read regularly on China's English news papers:

"Why bother to search endlessly outside? For a sensational massage just call 123456XXXX"

"Oh god! I am so tired of no results! So I'd called 12324XXX and you know what? I got 1st class service from...."

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

I was told that Mayflower was shutdown mainly because of 2 reasons:

1) They opened without a proper Fire Safety Certifications and later use others means to get one. It was later been discovered by Provincial Government in Guangzhou (apparently they didn't paid enough to cover them too!). The "Fake" certificates was revoked and that makes it even harder to get a proper cert.

2) Some idiots who were not happy about their KTV bill went to reported to Guangzhou central police that Mayflower is robbing people off because their managers were all high on drugs. They also said that the managers themselves were drug dealers.

This is what I'd heard of far.

Enjoy!
AG