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Just for fun I made a classification of brazilian girls.
It's made like a map.
(All you experts, this classification is very general and only IMO.)
Just for fun I made a classification of brazilian girls.
It's made like a map.
(All you experts, this classification is very general and only IMO.)Nice but the way I look at it, you always pay for it at the end lol.
Nice but the way I look at it, you always pay for it at the end lol.
Well you know, there is no such thing as a free lunch.
Just for fun I made a classification of brazilian girls.
It's made like a map.
(All you experts, this classification is very general and only IMO.)
what to say. You really have too much time on your hands. It's funny though. It's also very true. Thank you..........
ryjer
"You always pay for it at the end."
I know that's the opinion of many, but I have to disagree.
With a GP, wether it's a pro or semi-pro (piranha) you pay. That is also expected.
With a regular girl you don't pay, unless you marry her or bring her home. In my eyes a girl that will only have sex in exchange for dinner/presents/shopping/paying her bills etc isn't a regular girl but a piranha.
What I define as a regular girl is a girl who stays with you because of attraction or love. If she becomes your GF you will want to take her out to dinner, dancing or buy some gifts. I don't see that as "paying". You don't do it because it's a must. You do it because you care about her or because of good manners. Being a gentleman.
IF you stop inviting her out/buying gifts and she in return stops having sex with you, then it's not a regular girl but just a simple Serrasalmus Nattereri (piranha).
Among my regular GF's in Brazil I can hardly remember any that ever demanded anything. In contrary I find brazilian girls (or people) to be very generous to their friends.
Of course a lot depends on the girl you get to know. If it's a regular girl who had a gringo BF before she might be spoiled and expect you to be her Santa Claus. I prefer having regular GF's in Brazil who hasn't been with gringos before.
Finding these girls is not hard if you travel around in Brazil. It also works in Rio, but not so good in Copa.
I think it's important to separate things. It's great to have a regular GF to have fun with. Of course it needs a combination of regulary visits to GP's just to keep your Willy happy.
A common phenomenon all over Brazil are the piranhas, specially in the northeast and north. These girls spot a gringo miles away. They jump on you like... a piranha. They are easy to get in bed. Their intentions might be just sex or having you as a trophy to show of to her friends OR she might want you as her private "milk cow".
I like piranhas a lot, but I try not to ever fall in love with one of these girls. They don't make good GF's.
During the years I noticed something about some regular girls I had as GF's. After us breaking up it seems like they choose different paths:
1. Meeting a brazilian BF and marrying.
2. Getting a taste for gringos and get to knows another gringo. Marries and leaves Brazil.
3. Getting a taste for gringos and turns into a piranha.
4. Getting a taste for gringos and turns into a piranha. After a while understanding that they are better of turning into a GP/pro.
Of course, the problem with regular GF's is the jealousy. Actually that can sometimes be a big f***ing problem.
For short-time visitors to Brazil it's propably most convenient to just stick to GP's and having an occasional date with regular girls.
what to say. You really have too much time on your hands.
I wish I had.
"You always pay for it at the end."
I know that's the opinion of many, but I have to disagree.
With a GP, wether it's a pro or semi-pro (piranha) you pay. That is also expected.
With a regular girl you don't pay, unless you marry her or bring her home. In my eyes a girl that will only have sex in exchange for dinner/presents/shopping/paying her bills etc isn't a regular girl but a piranha.
What I define as a regular girl is a girl who stays with you because of attraction or love. If she becomes your GF you will want to take her out to dinner, dancing or buy some gifts. I don't see that as "paying". You don't do it because it's a must. You do it because you care about her or because of good manners. Being a gentleman ...
Great post Sperto!
I totally agree with your post.
With my girlfriend in Sao Paulo, nothing is expected, I treat her nicely because I WANT to.
Nothing is expected, she fulfills my need for love :)
Will I get married and bring her to the US where everything gets messed up and expensive?
Of course not.
Of course, because I am who I am, I do go out and have fun with GDPs, though not even close to my previous days of pros only,
Of course they expect to be paid, that's obvious.
Good luck amigos!
"You always pay for it at the end."
I know that's the opinion of many, but I have to disagree.
I understand what many are saying when using this phrase, and I use it from time to time. When I use the phrase, I'm not specifically referring to Brasil, but women the world over, and in general terms.
When men meet women, no matter what country or city, there's the expectation that after dating a few times, there's gonna be a sexual encounter. You basically spend all this money trying to wine and dine a woman, and in the end may get nothing but a case on "blue balls."
Why can't I meet a girl, have drinks, and say, "instead of dating, let me pay you to fuck me?" She can then wine and dine herself, and I get a nice piece of ass.
ryjer
Some GP's have a lot of fantasy when it comes to charging.
Just some examples:
* Rio - Taxi money.
I've met Help girls who said that they were going to have sex for free, and only needed taxi-money in the morning. Sounds good until they tell you that they live in Duque de Caxias, a ride that cost about R$ 50 ( this was some years ago when R$ 50 was quite a bit). In fact they might just live a few blocks down in Copa.
* Salvador - Laundry money.
Me and a friend met some girls at the beach in Porto da Barra. We brought them back to the apartment. We had sex and the girls left happily. No money involved. The next day one of the girls came back and asked for money to do her laundry. OK it sounded reasonable, at "Lav & Lev" in Barra they charged something like R$ 8. Would R$ 10 be enough? No, she needed R$ 110! A lot of laundry. I had to send her away with nothing at all, as she started to become unpleasant.
* Manaus - Recharging mobile phones.
In January I checked out a new forró-club in Manaus. Live band, lots of people and crowded with beautiful girls. Two sweet and really hot girls dancing in front of the stage caught my attention.
After a very short time all three of us were kissing each others. They suggested that all of us should go back to my hotel. It was just to good to be true. They didn't look like GP's, but I don't like surprises. Without trying to offend them I asked them in a nice way if they expected some kind of payment? Of course not, they just wanted a three-some.
Hum... really? Yes, the only thing they wanted in return was that I was going to recharge their mobile phones with R$ 50/each! I kissed them some more and left them.
You might call me stupid for not taking the offer of a threesome with two hot girls at the cost of R$ 100, but in Manaus I have the principle of only having GP's at Remulos (a strip club) and only go for non-pro's at the forró-clubs. Anyway I didnīt regret my decision as I met a nice non-pro after leaving the two girls.
* Rio - food.
In the building I was staying I noticed some good looking girls staying one floor below me. It was very obvious that these girls were working at Help. The same day I was going home, I leaned ot of the window and called down to them and asked them if they wanted my food. Otherwise I had to throw it away as I was leaving the apartment.
In a couple of minutes one of my beautiful neighbours turned up at the door. After some chit-chat I asked the girl if it was OK if we had sex in return for the food. She just laughed and said that the food only was a couple of eggs, ketchup, suco and bread. It was not enough for a f**k but she could give me a BJ. I accepted. Afterwards I was happy and my neighbour was also happy as she returned to her apartment to prepare breakfast, with my food, to her room-mates.
Brazil, what a fantastic country!
Hi Guys,
After careful search on the net, I contacted a GP de Riosexsite. We had a few discussions on the phone and she made me a smart, articulate and responsible impression. I agreed to her conditions without haggling and did my best in terms of politeness and charm.
However, she never came to our agreed meeting point. I tried to reach her on her mobile, with absolutely no success. Since she had my mobile number too, she could just have called. I speak enough Portuguese.
I am quite unhappy about this rather cavalier approach.
Are "no show" usual here? My current best explanation is that she saw me from afar and decided that she could not stomach it, but I do not see myself any better or worse than the average non-Clooney 40 something.
Any advice or explanation is really wellcome.
To all, Good Hunt!
Henry
Sperto, that was hilarious!! Thx for posting, you had me cracking up!!
Are "no show" usual here?
I usually not date GP's, but many of my friends does it. No show seems to be very common. I'm sure it's nothing personal against you.
Also, in Brazil when you date a girl (GP or regular girl) it's like a rule that she's supposed to be late. One hour late is not unusual.
SlimHoleDrill
09-07-08, 19:59
Hi Guys,
After careful search on the net, I contacted a GP de Riosexsite. We had a few discussions on the phone and she made me a smart, articulate and responsible impression. I agreed to her conditions without haggling and did my best in terms of politeness and charm.
However, she never came to our agreed meeting point. I tried to reach her on her mobile, with absolutely no success. Since she had my mobile number too, she could just have called. I speak enough Portuguese.
I am quite unhappy about this rather cavalier approach.
Are "no show" usual here? My current best explanation is that she saw me from afar and decided that she could not stomach it, but I do not see myself any better or worse than the average non-Clooney 40 something.
Any advice or explanation is really wellcome.
To all, Good Hunt!
Henry
I agree with Sperto, late is the norm. From my experience, arranging a meeting, say next day, even after having had a face-to-face connection has about a 50% chance. I think there are many possible reasons -- new day, they have better things to do, maybe they just didn't want to start something since it is easier to say yes and then not follow through. Once, I even heard the excuse that a storm had blown down trees and blocked traffic.
Also, you have to look at it from their point of view. No telling how many guys, in a rosy moment with too many drinks in them, have made a date for the next day and then they never show up. I'll bet that happens a lot. So maybe they just don't believe it.
Anyway, if you had never actually met this girl, I would put the chances even lower. They can break your heart, but the good thing about Rio is that you don't have to suffer too long. You can make new friends pretty easily.
Also, in Brazil when you date a girl (GP or regular girl) it's like a rule that she's supposed to be late. One hour late is not unusual.
I fully agree, this is common, even in regular life as in business and other events.
An example, maybe off-topic; we where invited for a 1 year birthday party, (this is the most important birthday in Brazil, besides the 15 year birthday, and are heavy celebrated with many guests). This took place in an outdoor restaurant, specialized for this kind of events.
We arrived 15 minutes before 18 pm, when it should start, needless to say we was the first, except for the waiters. The following hour, slowly around 100 guests came, and not before 19.15 the birthday child with the parents showed up :-)
Incidentally a perfect place to meet lovely Brazilian women :-)
Hi Guys,
If you read my report, you will know
with hindsight, I made really stupid decisions. I have been many times in Brazil, work with them, and planned my meetings with this girl (who actually is a professional I am afraid I forgot to mention it initially) as if beeing in Zurich.
We had two other meetings and she was late at both (30 and 60 minutes). I was really not pleased in the second occasion, because I ran into colleagues and things could have gone real bad. She made the right moves to save my ass, which I had put myself in the line of fire through cultural insentivity...
Good hunt to all
Henry
I fully agree, this is common, even in regular life as in business and other events.
My experience too. I reckon there are two time overlapping time zones in Rio. One for foreigners (you are always expected to be on time because that is the custom in your country duh!) and one for cariocas (one hour late is nothing - and if the traffice is bad or it rains hard then two and a half maybe).
btw, if it's a general meet-up, a common way of arranging is to say, "I'll be at such-and-such between da-de-dah or such-and-such between da-de-da". That way you give someone something to aim at without putting yourself out.
My experience too. I reckon there are two time overlapping time zones in Rio. One for foreigners (you are always expected to be on time because that is the custom in your country duh!) and one for cariocas (one hour late is nothing - and if the traffice is bad or it rains hard then two and a half maybe).
btw, if it's a general meet-up, a common way of arranging is to say, "I'll be at such-and-such between da-de-dah or such-and-such between da-de-da". That way you give someone something to aim at without putting yourself out.
On a recent trip to Rio I had arranged to meet 3 girls I had met on match.com. All 3 I told to meet me in the lobby of the Marriott hotel, my apartment was around the corner. This was different days of course. When I got to the Marriott on all 3 occasions all 3 of them were waiting for me and I was within 5 minutes of the arrival time. One even called me before I got there to ask me if I was coming or not. All 3 were non GDP's.
On the other hand in the past I have had GDP's not show up, escorts be over an hour late and so on, very unreliable.
FoxesHunter
09-18-08, 16:49
Hi, I know colombian girls but I don't know brazilian girls at all. If you know both and if you have gone to Colombia and Brazil, could you tell me what is the difference about approach of the girls and above all their fucking? Is it a too much hard question? ;)
I thank you!
Hi, I know colombian girls but I don't know brazilian girls at all. If you know both and if you have gone to Colombia and Brazil, could you tell me what is the difference about approach of the girls and above all their fucking? Is it a too much hard question?
I thank you!I've been to Panama where it's mostly columbian pros. From my experience they are more professional and are there to just get you off whereas brazilians are more affectionate and gfe. I never had a non pro but I would suspect brazilians to be more sincere.
On a recent trip to Rio I had arranged to meet 3 girls I had met on match.com. All 3 I told to meet me in the lobby of the Marriott hotel, my apartment was around the corner. This was different days of course. When I got to the Marriott on all 3 occasions all 3 of them were waiting for me and I was within 5 minutes of the arrival time. One even called me before I got there to ask me if I was coming or not. All 3 were non GDP's.
On the other hand in the past I have had GDP's not show up, escorts be over an hour late and so on, very unreliable.
Yeah - good points - I think what people were saying was simply that the same rules of punctuality don't necessarily always apply in Rio.
When I was dating / living with a girl in RJ I'd generally reinforce a specific time arrangement with an almost confrontational-joking approach. When you already have a relationship (of any sort) it's a bit easier as you get to know each other's rules. One of my carioca mates will be reasonably reliable (although his idea of a suitable time for lunch differs from mine). And he at least phones me when his wife overrules our arrangements for a get-together ;-)
Given that they are both very beautiful women, the differences come down to skill level and attention to you, the customer. If I had to make a comparison between the two, Colombian women have a High School diploma, while Brazilian women have a Master's to a PhD in fucking and personal relations. There is a huge gap in attention to detail and personal service between the two.
Hi, I know colombian girls but I don't know brazilian girls at all. If you know both and if you have gone to Colombia and Brazil, could you tell me what is the difference about approach of the girls and above all their fucking? Is it a too much hard question? ;)
I thank you!
FoxesHunter
09-19-08, 14:03
Given that they are both very beautiful women, the differences come down to skill level and attention to you, the customer. If I had to make a comparison between the two, Colombian women have a High School diploma, while Brazilian women have a Master's to a PhD in fucking and personal relations. There is a huge gap in attention to detail and personal service between the two.
I think you are right even if I don't know brazilian girls. Could I ask you what towns you know Colombia?
FoxesHunter
09-19-08, 14:12
Colombian women have a High School diploma, while Brazilian women have a Master's to a PhD in fucking and personal relations.
I think you don't know fine Colombia. Do you know the girls of Pereira? Do you know because Pereira is famous in Colombia? ;) ;)
I hope you will not meet NEVER those girls. ;););)
El Austriaco
09-19-08, 16:35
Hi, I know colombian girls but I don't know brazilian girls at all. If you know both and if you have gone to Colombia and Brazil, could you tell me what is the difference about approach of the girls and above all their fucking? Is it a too much hard question? ;)
I thank you!
I've been to Colombia twice (a quick stop in Bogota once, and two weeks between Barranquilla and Cartagena the other time), and I lived in Brazil for 10 months.
Since you're asking this question in the section "Non-Pro Garotas - Opinions & Advice", I'll primarily address Non-Pros.
In my personal experience, for most people, it's easier to hook up with Non-Pros in Colombia than in Brazil. IMHO, this has to do with the fact more people speak Spanish than Portuguese, and as many others have pointed out, Portuguese languages skills are key when it comes to meeting and bedding non-pros in Brazil. In addition, to get away from the sex tourist stigma in Brazil, you have to get out of the touristy places, and beyond the touristy places, few people speak English... so once again, a good working knowledge of Portuguese is crucial.
Once you can effectively communicate with the girls (whether in Spanish or in Portuguese), the chances of bedding them on the first or second date are about the same in Colombia and Brazil, in my experience. In terms of actual sexual skills of non-pros, they are about the same, too, I'd say. You never know whether you will get a tigress or somewhat of a dud, but chances are you will have a girl at your hands that will be very eager to please you and open to experiment whatever rocks your boat. Anal seems a bit more common in Brazil than in Colombia, though.
As to Pros, I think that overall, GDPs in Brazil are hard to beat in terms of tenderness, fun, GFE, and with some luck even PSE at times. While working girls in Colombia are very good too (and I have personally had nothing but good experiences in Colombia; I am not talking about Colombian girls working elsewhere, like Panama etc.), GDPs in Rio are truly in a league of their own, IMHO. Think of them as caleņas, but on overdrive :)
A while ago, I wrote up a detailed comparison between Rio de Janeiro and Cartagena, for what it's worth. Hope this helps.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=422385&postcount=24
EA
FoxesHunter
09-22-08, 11:12
Interesting post. THANKS. Answer me a last question, please. Is it easier to take pics of the nacked girls in Colombia or Brazil?
In Colombia it is very easy.
I've been to Colombia twice (a quick stop in Bogota once, and two weeks between Barranquilla and Cartagena the other time), and I lived in Brazil for 10 months.
Since you're asking this question in the section "Non-Pro Garotas - Opinions & Advice", I'll primarily address Non-Pros.
In my personal experience, for most people, it's easier to hook up with Non-Pros in Colombia than in Brazil. IMHO, this has to do with the fact more people speak Spanish than Portuguese, and as many others have pointed out, Portuguese languages skills are key when it comes to meeting and bedding non-pros in Brazil. In addition, to get away from the sex tourist stigma in Brazil, you have to get out of the touristy places, and beyond the touristy places, few people speak English... so once again, a good working knowledge of Portuguese is crucial.
Once you can effectively communicate with the girls (whether in Spanish or in Portuguese), the chances of bedding them on the first or second date are about the same in Colombia and Brazil, in my experience. In terms of actual sexual skills of non-pros, they are about the same, too, I'd say. You never know whether you will get a tigress or somewhat of a dud, but chances are you will have a girl at your hands that will be very eager to please you and open to experiment whatever rocks your boat. Anal seems a bit more common in Brazil than in Colombia, though.
As to Pros, I think that overall, GDPs in Brazil are hard to beat in terms of tenderness, fun, GFE, and with some luck even PSE at times. While working girls in Colombia are very good too (and I have personally had nothing but good experiences in Colombia; I am not talking about Colombian girls working elsewhere, like Panama etc.), GDPs in Rio are truly in a league of their own, IMHO. Think of them as caleņas, but on overdrive :)
A while ago, I wrote up a detailed comparison between Rio de Janeiro and Cartagena, for what it's worth. Hope this helps.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=422385&postcount=24
EA
El Austriaco
09-22-08, 19:49
Interesting post. THANKS. Answer me a last question, please. Is it easier to take pics of the nacked girls in Colombia or Brazil?
In Colombia it is very easy.
Believe it or not, as much as I am into photography (and I am very much into photography), I have never pushed the issue of taking naked pictures, for reasons too long and too disgressing to explain here, in either country. In Brazil, though, two girls I used to hang out quite a bit ultimately convinced me of taking naked pictures of them, so..... I think your chances aren't so bad. Based on what I have read on both here and on the Colombian board, though, bad experiences with mongers posting pictures on the Internet either against the girls' wishes or without their knowledge have made some girls more aware of the potential dangers of posing naked and therefore more reluctant. Like always, I guess it will essentially depend on the photographer and their way of working with the "models"... including financially :)
So again, my best guess would probably be: pretty even between Colombia and Brazil.
EA
FoxesHunter
10-12-08, 15:31
This time I have chatted with many colombian and brazialian girls. I tell you on the net colombian girls could make you crazy. To chat with them is wonderful, with brazilian girls very less. I don't like much to chat with brazialian girls. I speak both, spanish and portuguese. This is my experience but ... perhaps when I will meet brazilian girls I will change my idea. ;)
I hope!!!!
In my personal experience, for most people, it's easier to hook up with Non-Pros in Colombia than in Brazil. IMHO, this has to do with the fact more people speak Spanish than Portuguese, and as many others have pointed out, Portuguese languages skills are key when it comes to meeting and bedding non-pros in Brazil. In addition, to get away from the sex tourist stigma in Brazil, you have to get out of the touristy places, and beyond the touristy places, few people speak English... so once again, a good working knowledge of Portuguese is crucial.
Once you can effectively communicate with the girls (whether in Spanish or in Portuguese), the chances of bedding them on the first or second date are about the same in Colombia and Brazil, in my experience. In terms of actual sexual skills of non-pros, they are about the same, too, I'd say. You never know whether you will get a tigress or somewhat of a dud, but chances are you will have a girl at your hands that will be very eager to please you and open to experiment whatever rocks your boat. Anal seems a bit more common in Brazil than in Colombia, though.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=422385&postcount=24
EA
Mr Enternational
10-12-08, 22:37
This time I have chatted with many colombian and brazialian girls. I tell you on the net colombian girls could make you crazy. To chat with them is wonderful, with brazilian girls very less. I don't like much to chat with brazialian girls. I speak both, spanish and portuguese. This is my experience but ... perhaps when I will meet brazilian girls I will change my idea. ;)
I hope!!!!
I absolutely agree with you there. It is at times nerve racking to talk to Brazilians. It's like they have ADD or something. The last time I was in Rio I was chatting with a woman and she insisted on seeing me at night. While I knew I had other plans I told her that I would like to have breakfast with her before she went to work or I would go downtown to have lunch with her. Somehow from this she thought I was trying to treat her like a prostitute (by meeting with her in the daytime and having a meal?) Maybe it was just over my head. Seems to me she wanted to treat herself like a prostitute because she was insisting to come by the apartment at night. Anyway I hadn't talked to her since. However I'm back in Rio and she out of the blue sends me a message about 10 minutes ago. I brought up what happened last time. She told me that I am just used to the girls who work in Copacabana. I asked who told her that? I said that I only asked her to breakfast or lunch. Then she said that I just want a maid. I had to tell her that she was talking crazy and blocked her out. It's like she was participating in a totally different conversation than I was. me: "this is some nice weather."--- her:"yeah i like onions on my pizza too!"
This time I have chatted with many colombian and brazialian girls. I tell you on the net colombian girls could make you crazy. To chat with them is wonderful, with brazilian girls very less. I don't like much to chat with brazialian girls. I speak both, spanish and portuguese. This is my experience but ... perhaps when I will meet brazilian girls I will change my idea. ;)
I hope!!!!
Can you suggest good sites to chat with Colombianas? A friend showed me pics of some Colombian girls and I was blown away.
Thanks.
FoxesHunter
10-18-08, 09:07
I use "badoo.com" and "hi5.com". In this web sites you could find many girls around the world
Can you suggest good sites to chat with Colombianas? A friend showed me pics of some Colombian girls and I was blown away.
Thanks.
Exec Talent
10-18-08, 23:20
Today I go a manicure and pedicure and my manicurist was smoking hot. So how do you get from Gringo to in like flint with such a hot Brazilian. First you must speak Portuguese. Next you must speak it well enough to be funny and cute. Third you must present the right profile and look for the right questions from her to assess her interest.
A right question is how often do you come to Brazil? This is a chance to let her know you come all the time and stay for at least several weeks. It also helps if you have had a Brazilian girlfriend and she went with you to your native country. The key here is not to be just looking for sex (though if you are funny and cute enough ...).
I knew I was in when she said to me, "Americans like mulattas, no?" I said, "we love them." "Your color is so beautiful."
There were too many co-workers around for her to give me her number but when I handed her her tip she held my hand and told me she would be moving to a salon in Botafogo. Manicure so-so; future date with hot Brazilian - priceless.
I use "badoo.com" and "hi5.com". In this web sites you could find many girls around the world
Thanks for the suggestion, specially badoo.com. I will try it.
Thanks.
While doing m usually mongering, I felt it was time to meet some of these online girls.
Priscilla - 23, Orkut
Her online pics are great. I love her body, and these are not photo-shopped either. She sees me first at MP and comes over. I was polite but occupied. The next afternoon, I was thinking about doing her. Since I really didnīt pay much attention to her initially, I was shocked to see that, well, letīs just say, if she gets married, I hope her future husband has a great dental plan. I was done. 1 child
Pricilla - 25, Orkut
She approached me at Help, but after all the cuervo, I thought she looked just like her pics................WRONG!!!! If Iīd been drinking beer, I wouldīve had on the goggles. We met the next afternoon at MP for lunch. She had this one bad tooth in front. She also had this, I shit you not, mole on the bottom of her nose. OMG.....................................a mole. She also had fake blond extension, which I could have overlooked. 1 child.
Alex - 20, Brazil Cupid
I was unsure about meeting her after my previous experience. She was young, pretty, intelligent, and everything else. She wasnīt a working girl, and speaks no english. My interaction with her has been all msn. We went to dinner, and talked about everything. She has no kids, and lives with her parents. She is a diamond in the rough, and with the right amount of polish, who knows. The fact that she dosenīt call me baby every 5 minutes is refreshing. Thereīs something about her thatīs so attractive, I think itīs her innocence.
At the end of our first date, while kissing her, my hand wandered, but she would have none of that. Ok, I love a challenge. Weīre hanging out this afternoon. Just make sure I stay away from ground zero, and Iīll be closer to homeplate.
Yeah I have met my fair few cariocas like this, we have them in Australia and the USA too! they are called "Crazy" :) best avoided
I absolutely agree with you there. It is at times nerve racking to talk to Brazilians. It's like they have ADD or something. The last time I was in Rio I was chatting with a woman and she insisted on seeing me at night. While I knew I had other plans I told her that I would like to have breakfast with her before she went to work or I would go downtown to have lunch with her. Somehow from this she thought I was trying to treat her like a prostitute (by meeting with her in the daytime and having a meal?) Maybe it was just over my head. Seems to me she wanted to treat herself like a prostitute because she was insisting to come by the apartment at night. Anyway I hadn't talked to her since. However I'm back in Rio and she out of the blue sends me a message about 10 minutes ago. I brought up what happened last time. She told me that I am just used to the girls who work in Copacabana. I asked who told her that? I said that I only asked her to breakfast or lunch. Then she said that I just want a maid. I had to tell her that she was talking crazy and blocked her out. It's like she was participating in a totally different conversation than I was. me: "this is some nice weather."--- her:"yeah i like onions on my pizza too!"
* Rio - food.
In the building I was staying I noticed some good looking girls staying one floor below me. It was very obvious that these girls were working at Help. The same day I was going home, I leaned ot of the window and called down to them and asked them if they wanted my food. Otherwise I had to throw it away as I was leaving the apartment.
In a couple of minutes one of my beautiful neighbours turned up at the door. After some chit-chat I asked the girl if it was OK if we had sex in return for the food. She just laughed and said that the food only was a couple of eggs, ketchup, suco and bread. It was not enough for a f**k but she could give me a BJ. I accepted. Afterwards I was happy and my neighbour was also happy as she returned to her apartment to prepare breakfast, with my food, to her room-mates.
Brazil, what a fantastic country!This was the best reading i have done for a long time here on ISG. I can only aggree Brazil is fantastic
I make a question here also about Piranha or "hire" a girlfriend.
As I wrote in " Rio reports" I'm used to how it works in China/Shanghai but can some give info/advise how its in Rio. I will be working here for some month and would like to have some steady girl company. I don't want spend all my money on Termas beacuse thats the only I have visit until now.
What do they expect in return, where do I find this girls or is it just random full pro and is it safe to let them live with you during the period?
I'm not interrested in some real girlfriend beacuse it will only be problem the day I leave or even worse I could fell in love.
Thanks in advance
I posted this in the wrong forum section a few days ago:
Hello all,
I am a new member to the site and must say that I have been quite impressed with both the quantity and quality of information posted. In an attempt to cease, or at least momentarily halt, some of the trans-Atlantic bickering I was wondering if any Rio veterans could give me some info about good locations to pick up part-time girls/amateurs in Rio?
I'm assuming that at Help after a brief conversation you could easily discern who is a "pro" and who is not, but I wanted to know if there were any other local places that has that type of selection. A buddy of mine mentioned this was possible just lounging around on Copacabana beach but I'm not quite sure.
The reason for this is that I find that alot of times the girls who are new or just do this on the side a couple times a year tend to be a bit more personable and sensual as opposed to those veterans just working the system. I'm not fluent in Portuguese but I can speak the language a bit on a basic level if that helps at all.
Thanks in advance for the advice and glad to be a part of this forum!
...I'm assuming that at Help after a brief conversation you could easily discern who is a "pro" and who is not...
Are there non pros at help ?? ;)
Exec Talent
02-26-09, 12:27
Are there non pros at help ?? ;)
The girls start out with the idea that they are having sex for money temporarily to get over some rough times. They are not prostitutes.
They like the money and the expensive things it can buy. They start thinking about buying a house. They do not consider themselves prostitutes.
Two years later, all their friends are prostitutes; they have saved no money but know no other way of life. They ARE prostitutes.
My experience has been it only depends at what point you catch them on the progression.
I was with a girl the other night whom I had met at Help. She told me it was her first time and from the experience, I think she was being truthful. Her cousin, who is a Help regular, had brought her there. Was the girl I saw a pro? I don't know. But, she is definitely on her way.
JohnnyBraz
02-26-09, 19:19
The girls start out with the idea that they are having sex for money temporarily to get over some rough times. They are not prostitutes.
They like the money and the expensive things it can buy. They start thinking about buying a house. They do not consider themselves prostitutes.
Two years later, all their friends are prostitutes; they have saved no money but know no other way of life. They ARE prostitutes.
My experience has been it only depends at what point you catch them on the progression.
I was with a girl the other night whom I had met at Help. She told me it was her first time and from the experience, I think she was being truthful. Her cousin, who is a Help regular, had brought her there. Was the girl I saw a pro? I don't know. But, she is definitely on her way.Very well said, once they start there is no turning back, there lifestyle dosent allow them to save money, they are financially illitarate. Some become desparate and want to run off to Europe or the us and marry someone, only to screw them over financially.
....more or less, cause I think, once they start to get so fast so much money only a very little percentage stop and go back to a job where they get little money in a regular ordinary job.
However what I hope is to find semipro or the ones at their beginning of...progression :)
I find this semipro issue really funny. When woman starts to hand out sexual favors in return of monetary compensation she turns into a prostitute. Doesn't really matter if she does it once or one million times. Just my 2 centavos.
What "semipro" really means is part-time pro.
pro/amateur/non-pro/semi-pro, what's the difference?
yes, yes, I know "exchanging sex for money". If a pro sleeps with me for free (happens! A LOT!), does this make her a non-pro? If I have a wife, who I support financially, and who I only keep for the occasional sex, what is she?
In my book, it's all good. If the pussy fits, shag it.
One more thought: A pro-golfer is usually a lot better than an amateur-golfer. Same with boxers. Same with basketball players. Same with the girls in Help ... :D
euro
pro/amateur/non-pro/semi-pro, what's the difference?
yes, yes, I know "exchanging sex for money". If a pro sleeps with me for free (happens! A LOT!), does this make her a non-pro? If I have a wife, who I support financially, and who I only keep for the occasional sex, what is she?
In my book, it's all good. If the pussy fits, shag it.
One more thought: A pro-golfer is usually a lot better than an amateur-golfer. Same with boxers. Same with basketball players. Same with the girls in Help ... :D
euro
LOl, thanks for the analogy. I like it! If it applies to boxers, golfers and basketball players, why not with the garotas? Common sense applies to your theory.
I almost regret I wrote the word "semipro" for what it generates here ;)
I almost regret I wrote the word "semipro" for what it generates here ;)
Funny, it's a very sensitive word, always has been, not just now with you and in the past there have been pages and pages of comments when someone would mention the word semipro, even essays were dusted off and posted.
I try not to use the word anymore but to me it has a certain meaning, for example a pro is someone who does nothing else but sell her bucetta, a semi pro to me is someone who has a Monday to Friday regular job 9 to 5 and maybe on Saturday goes to Help to make some extra money by screwing some Gringo who is not so bad looking for a couple of hundred reais. The money is good and they think of it as just a one night stand, you will find these types in Help on occasion.
AColonizer
02-27-09, 18:36
Dear guys, I came across incidentally here and I haven't followed this thread from the start.
Anyway, I contribute with my in-deep experience with an Ukrainian super-prostitute:
Yes, unfortunately, all prostitutes keep prostitute mindset for all life, but this is a typical female mindset, all women look for their own conveniences only, and prostitutes look for one thousand times more than regular women;
No, definitely, all prostitutes, whom I knew, have a very strong financial plan, to save money for investment in real estate. Oh my god, instead to ask famous Harvard economy gurus, we could ask some prostitutes and we should avoid to loose our money with stupids bonds and shares and funds: bitches teach!
Very well said, once they start there is no turning back, there lifestyle dosent allow them to save money, they are financially illitarate. Some become desparate and want to run off to Europe or the us and marry someone, only to screw them over financially.
Rock Harders
02-27-09, 22:38
Mongers-
I tend to agree with Sangue Bom's definition of semi-pro (another way to put it is part-time pro). Whenever I go to Help I always seem to find these exact girls; typically between the ages of 21-27, generally studying AND working a regular job, light skin, at least conversational English, and almost always the hottest girls in Help on any given night. These girls are not hard to spot as they don't necessarily look like prostitutes, as the rigors of full time prostitution has not worn them down as it has the full-timers. These girls will be extremely well groomed and put together and will generally ask for R$400 but will always go for R$300 for all night. In addition, these girls will almost never have any children. In short, these are the type of girls that make Help worth visiting.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
....In short, these are the type of girls that make Help worth visiting....
I totally agree and the ones whom is easier to get a GFE...
I definitely agree with that comment GFE just ended a relationship with one, I met at "The Office " almost 3 years ago until she decided it wasn't working for her anymore. So return to the scene of the action and enjoy yourself GDP.
Why are so many people caught up in semantics.
If a woman openly has sex for money she is a prostitute. If she only has sex for money every so often, she's still a prostitute. If I pay for sex a few times a year, then yes, I'm a ***** monger. Although I have compared paying a prostitute, to dating, well, it's really not the same.
It seems that so many of us get caught up in the whole semi versus pro title as a way to minimize what we are actually doing. Let's be honest, we're paying for sex, and having lots of fun. If a woman sells herself once a month or once a week, she's still a prostitute.
The fact that many here have taken the time to learn the language and the culture gives them much more opportunity to have sex with women who don't ask for, or expect money. The same way we make irrelevant distinctions about them, they do the same about each other. And from all the chat about who pays what, and comes from what country, they obviously do the same with us.
All that really matters is that she licks my balls like it's her job!!!!!!!!
ryjer
Very well said, once they start there is no turning back, there lifestyle dosent allow them to save money, they are financially illitarate. Some become desparate and want to run off to Europe or the us and marry someone, only to screw them over financially.Some girls also goes to Europe to do the same thing they do here. Sex for money. Most part of them goes to Spain, Italy. The go there. Make money.come back. Buy something (house (s)). Spend a lot of money with friends and family. Work here for a while and go back to Europe. This is the cycle!
Why are so many people caught up in semantics.
If a woman openly has sex for money she is a prostitute. Correct If she only has sex for money every so often, she's still a prostitute.. Correct If I pay for sex a few times a year, then yes, I'm a ***** monger. . Correct Although I have compared paying a prostitute, to dating, well, it's really not the same.
It seems that so many of us get caught up in the whole semi versus pro title as a way to minimize what we are actually doing.. INCorrect Let's be honest, we're paying for sex, and having lots of fun.. Correct If a woman sells herself once a month or once a week, she's still a prostitute. . Correct
The fact that many here have taken the time to learn the language and the culture gives them much more opportunity to have sex with women who don't ask for, or expect money. The same way we make irrelevant distinctions about them, they do the same about each other. And from all the chat about who pays what, and comes from what country, they obviously do the same with us.
All that really matters is that she licks my balls like it's her job!!!!!!!!
ryjer
What we are talking about is not something about us but about the type of girl we have in mind, lets not confuse it.
For the past few years I have been going to Rio 1 to 2 weeks before Carnaval, during this time I always meet a group of girls that come from outside of Rio, different ones every year. Most of the time they are college students who come to Rio for the Carnaval holiday for about a month. They rent an apartment and party for a month, but guess what they don't have the money to pay for a month holiday in Rio so you will find them in Help 3 or 4 nights a week making money to pay for their holiday. The other 3 or 4 nights they are in places like Nuth or Bombar partying with their own age group having fun and probably sex for free. Some of these girls you can tell have experience and some have none, this is the type we are talking about, part time workers, some of us like them, they're not so hard core.
JohnnyBraz
02-28-09, 15:05
What we are talking about is not something about us but about the type of girl we have in mind, lets not confuse it.
For the past few years I have been going to Rio 1 to 2 weeks before Carnaval, during this time I always meet a group of girls that come from outside of Rio, different ones every year. Most of the time they are college students who come to Rio for the Carnaval holiday for about a month. They rent an apartment and party for a month, but guess what they don't have the money to pay for a month holiday in Rio so you will find them in Help 3 or 4 nights a week making money to pay for their holiday. The other 3 or 4 nights they are in places like Nuth or Bombar partying with their own age group having fun and probably sex for free. Some of these girls you can tell have experience and some have none, this is the type we are talking about, part time workers, some of us like them, they're not so hard core.Very well said, they are not the hardcore women, just out to cover expenses. You won't see them at mp or ta. One program per night for a few nights a week, the same is said about the uni/college girls.
I think it just depends on the girl. If you meet her place of prostitution you will be put into the client category. Later if you see her outside and she does truly likes you then you no longer become a client and no longer pay her money but in other forms of "gifts. " But a hoe is always a hoe because these girls can turn around and ask for money in different ways. Directly for how much for her time, indirectly like she has bills to pay. If you meet a girl out in public the later is also true. I have from experience to say that. I have also experience with first she ask for money then she didn't and then she asked again. Can't read or figure "any" girl sometimes.
There are stories of girls a guy meet in her place of prostitution or out in public and get married and live "happily ever after. " Eitherway you look at it your either paying for sex or companionship or both if you're married and monger.
Interesting topic. I think in the states, with our puritanical background, the issue is basically black-and-white. A w**** is a w**** but in South America, there are more "shades" of P4P than the black-and-white world of the states.
Actually, what's really fascinating to me is that in previous times, you had the phenomena of courtesans, mistresses, kept women. Some of this still exists of course, but not as common as in the past and it's much more hidden now.
In Colombia, the "prepaga" phenomena is quite common and is something in between a girl working in a brothel and a "friend with benefits." Beautiful girls that get the huge silicone boob jobs and hang out in all the trendy discos, dating (and fucking) locals and foreigners for gifts, clothes, and money.
So I do think that the world's oldest profession can come in various shades, and like I mentioned above, it may have been more varied in the past. And there's definitely a difference between a hardened, cynical hooker and a curious newcomer who's testing the waters of this biz.
AColonizer
03-01-09, 13:18
NEVER like in Italy, where the real sex is a taboo, in marriage too. Where foreign prostitutes learn to be the worsest b****** and w***** in the world by Italian native women.
Interesting topic. I think in the states, with our puritanical background, the issue is basically black-and-white. A w**** is a w**** but in South America, there are more "shades" of P4P than the black-and-white world of the states.
Master Yoda
03-01-09, 22:37
Here is a non-pro question i have. I am alittle surprised at something. I keep reading of men or foreign men that chase after hot women from fairly well off households or the so called upper class or upper middle class. but what most men don't know is that these women seem to be the ones that have had maids and have been pampared all their lives. those women it seems are the worst ones to take to the US if you are not financial sound enough to afford maids. I have been dating a girl in Costa Rica that comes from just above middle class. she looked at me as if i had lost my mind when I asked her to cook us dinner after i had done so twice previously. so instead we went to a chinese resturant. that is when it hit me that i could be getting myself into more trouble chasing these women who seem opposed to everything manual labour. I am not sure about Brazil since I haven't been there long enough but in Hondurus and Costa Rica definately. Now this post is in no way insinuating that women should sit down and be door mats, or they are only good enough to do domestic duties. I believe men should help out once in a while. I also believe it should be a womans choice to stay home or work. It's just at times guys here have so much to say about american or european women when it seems like the other side of the grass could be alot worse.
I find it quite sad really. I mean here even here in Britain there are girls from really good families that have money but they go to finishing school and can cook amazing dishes. But in many Latin American countries, women from families with alittle money and maids feel that manual labor is below them. I just wonder though are they like that with their latino men. I mean latino men have a reputation for prefer the more feminine types, but are also independent women that have their own minds. I met a brazilian in elephant and castle that told me that.
just a question id been wondering. i look foward to replies.
Here is a non-pro question i have. I am alittle surprised at something. I keep reading of men or foreign men that chase after hot women from fairly well off households or the so called upper class or upper middle class. but what most men don't know is that these women seem to be the ones that have had maids and have been pampared all their lives. those women it seems are the worst ones to take to the US if you are not financial sound enough to afford maids.
just a question id been wondering. i look foward to replies.
You are very correct in your observations. I dated a Colombiana a few years ago and I know men who have married or still date women from that country.
Domestic help is very inexpensive in Colombia and other L.A. countries for someone who has a college degree and a decent job. Having to do your own cooking, laundry, etc. is a sign of not havng made it into the middle class. Children are spoiled by middle and upper class Colombian parents. They are NEVER asked to clean up after themselves, keep their own rooms tidy, or do household chores. Those things are domestic work for poor people, not the normal things everyone does to maintain their home.
The women (and men) who grow up like this are very surprised by the US and British men who expect them to pick up after themselves. When they get to the US, most are shocked at the cost of maids and other domestic help. I hear that some adapt, but others go on a work binge to earn enough money to hire maids.
I would avoid such women. They can even more high maintenance then AWs.
Exec Talent
03-05-09, 21:29
I was in the Post Office sending a package to a Brazilian friend. The woman who was helping me was hot, helpful and friendly. After I paid she hands me my receipt and I put it in my pocket. It was not until later that I noticed she had written something on it.
Eu gostei de vocę.
On the back was her name and phone number.
In countries around the world, I have been hit on in various places, but only in Rio have I been hit on at the Post Office!
Albert Punter
03-05-09, 23:56
I agree with most of Master Yoda's theory.
Latin women are more "modern" , middle and high-class are used to empregada and learn quickly how to emulate western women.
Everybody knows that for western man situation is difficult, as women want to be independent and are not submissive anymore. I agree that women situation had to change and they deserve same rights and opportunities. Also, they must be treated with respect and not like some animals among us are used to do.
However, this change in role at least puzzles us and it is difficult to tolerate for many. Just think about those men feeling uncomfortable in helping women in house-works or in pushing a cart in a supermarket
.
Therefore, in case you are an old style man and desire a more submissive wife, IMHO, perfect match would probably be an Asian woman.
Asian woman is educated to take care of her man, to serve him we should say, and to respect him, she is strong but submissive.
On the other side, Asian woman is used to men who do not respect her, who demand a lot without giving. In addition, it does not seem to me that Asian men are romantic, etc. .
So probably, an average western man would be the dream for many Asian women.
Is this theory influenced by my experiences in China (I expressed this same theory in that thread a few years ago) ? I dont think so as I am a very well experienced traveller here in Latin America too.
I agree with most of Master Yoda's theory.
Latin women are more "modern", middle and high-class are used to "empregada" and learn quickly how to emulate western women.
Everybody knows that for western man situation is difficult, as women want to be independent and are not submissive anymore. I agree that women situation had to change and they deserve same rights and opportunities. Also, they must be treated with respect and not like some "animals" between us are used to do.
However, this change in role at least puzzles us and it is difficult to tolerate for many. Just think about those men feeling uncomfortable in helping women in house-works or in pushing a cart in a supermarket. .
Therefore, in case you are an old style man and desire a more submissive wife, IMHO, perfect match would probably be an Asian woman.
Asian woman is educated to take care of her man, to serve him we should say, and to respect him, she is strong but submissive.
On the other side, Asian woman is used to men who do not respect her, who demand a lot without giving. In addition, it does not seem to me that Asian men are romantic, etc.
So probably, an average western man would be the dream for many Asian women.
Is this theory influenced by my experiences in China (I expressed this same theory in that thread a few years ago)? I dont think so as I am a very well experienced traveller here in Latin America too.I aggree with you about the asian women and Chinese in my experience. The downside with asian is that they can be too subdue, and also the big different in culture and they way of thinking is different compare with western mind. But I like the asian women tho
But now when I'm stationed here in Rio I will try to explore the latin women and so far I like them alot. Ofcourse I don't have much of experience yet only some female colleague and the Balcony girls haha.
But they are more easy to speak with they have their own will and the way of thinking is more western. And they really have sexappeal. To be honest so far I think I like the Brasisilan women most.
The Watcher
03-06-09, 03:47
I was in the Post Office sending a package to a Brazilian friend. The woman who was helping me was hot, helpful and friendly. After I paid she hands me my receipt and I put it in my pocket. It was not until later that I noticed she had written something on it.
Eu gostei de vocę.
On the back was her name and phone number.
In countries around the world, I have been hit on in various places, but only in Rio have I been hit on at the Post Office!
You can't end the story there. Did you call her? Did you go out? Details please.
Albert Punter
03-06-09, 03:55
Come on, he is a shy guy and doesn't feel comfortable calling her .....
You can't end the story there. Did you call her? Did you go out? Details please.
Exec Talent
03-06-09, 09:05
You can't end the story there. Did you call her? Did you go out? Details please.
Just happened yesterday afternoon. Since then I have been a little busy!
You can't end the story there. Did you call her? Did you go out? Details please.Are you guys really believing this topic
Come on!
In countries around the world, I have been hit on in various places, but only in Rio have I been hit on at the Post Office!
In brazil it is very easy it happens, if you are around 30-35 years old or if you do not take a shower twice per week as most of brazilians do.
The, very important, thing is not where you are hitten, but that when you are hitten in brazil ....at 95% is a prostitute looking for money with gringo or a semipro LOL and when it happens outside brazil at 95% she is a normal girl.
The Watcher
03-06-09, 22:25
Are you guys really believing this topic
Come on!
Exec Talent has over 800 reports. I have always found his reports to be interesting and/or helpful.
Because the first of your 12 reports was on February 25, 2009, I do not understand how someone who has been a poster for only 10 days can question the integrity of an experienced poster.
In brazil it is very easy it happens, if you are around 30-35 years old or if you do not take a shower twice per week as most of brazilians do.
Honestly, where do you get your info?
I do understand that some poor men who work 10 - 12 hours a day, will stink when they are going home BUT sincerely I do not know many brasilians who do not take a shower minimum every day. Most people prefer taking 2 - 3 times a day.
Poor just do not have money for expensive deodorant and soap. They use very basic toiletries.
Just my 2 cents.
Honestly, where do you get your info?
I do understand that some poor men who work 10 - 12 hours a day, will stink when they are going home BUT sincerely I do not know many brasilians who do not take a shower minimum every day. Most people prefer taking 2 - 3 times a day..
I just breath with my nose too sometimes, I do not have a nose as a dog LOL but you do not need to take an autobus to feel often bad smell, use your noise at help too and you will see.
In all the countries I was, brazil is the dirtiest one, where I feel the worst smell, not only from stuff in the street, but from the persons too and about how many times average brazilian shower or how much is clean..... ask to some girls about it, you will be surprised....
My 2 cents too.
Albert Punter
03-07-09, 02:57
Are you guys really believing this topic
Come on!
Renner, it is evident that you don't have much expericne about Brazil and brazilian girls. Just stroll around, open your eyes and you will see something happening to you.
Just an example of what can happen. A couple of nights ago I was outside my hotel talking on mobile. A small car arrived. Two nice girls inside, one of them in particular was quite sexy. They kept looking at me. I thought I knew them or maybe they thought to know me. The sexy girl was really undressing me with her eyes. Then I thought they were working girls looking for a customer. Then when they take out their luggages from car trunk, I understood they were just guests at my same hotel. What an inviting situation. So, I finished quickly the call and I made my approach to the "sexy" lady and introduced myself. She didn't accept the invitation to dinner that night, but she was quite willing to know me and gave me her mobile number to make arrangements for the following night.
Albert Punter
03-07-09, 03:01
I am sorry but I disagree.
I know some countries or populations which are dirtier and stink more than Brazil.
Certainly in these days heat is not helping our noses here, but in summer even in Europe or US you smell some unpleasant odours.
I just breath with my nose too sometimes, I do not have a nose as a dog LOL but you do not need to take an autobus to feel often bad smell, use your noise at help too and you will see.
In all the countries I was, brazil is the dirtiest one, where I feel the worst smell, not only from stuff in the street, but from the persons too and about how many times average brazilian shower or how much is clean..... ask to some girls about it, you will be surprised....
My 2 cents too.
Albert Punter
03-07-09, 15:38
As we are debating about being hunted by women, I found this article quite on topic <sorry, it is in portuguese>
http://estilo.ig.com.br/noticia/2009/03/05/o+que+elas+olham+primeiro+em+um+homem+4435969.html
I highly recommend Rio Scenarium in the Lapas district. Its 15 minutes by taxi from Copa, but they have great bands and dancing. Its three stories high, but there is no ceiling in the middle of the first and second floors, and you can hear the music very well throughout the restaurant. The place is very popular, so its best not to arrive too late (I usually arrive around 10:30 pm) or else you may be waiting in line. You can eat dinner there; for the best seats, I recommend making a reservation (3147 9000).
You cannot go wrong here.
I recently visited this place Rio Scenarium, met a girl there at 10 pm that I met online; she was with 2 of her girlfriends. This girl I met seems to go there every week to dance, she knew many people in the place and she liked to dance. I wasn't going to dance to the samba music so I left her with her friends to dance and scoped the place out. I spoke to a couple of ladies but the vibe I got was that no one was going to leave with me to go back to my place for a couple of Black Label and Red Bulls any time soon, so I chalked up the event as purely a tourist visit of this famous place.
By midnight I had had enough and went to say goodbye to my internet friend, she was surprised I was leaving, told me to stay that we'll go up stairs and dance in the other club they have the techno type music which is more to my liking but I declined because she looked like a tough nut to crack and I was in the mood for easy especially since she told me online weeks before that if I want to seduce her that I would have to pull out all the tricks. The only thing at this point I was interested in pulling out was 250 reais out of my pocket no hassle no fuss, no strings attached. I kissed her goodbye and went to Help and was back in my apartment drinking Black and Reds (Thanks I like that) in about an hour and a half with the finest Rio has to offer.
I am sorry but I disagree.
I know some countries or populations which are dirtier and stink more than Brazil.
Certainly in these days heat is not helping our noses here, but in summer even in Europe or US you smell some unpleasant odours.
No problem if you disagree, everyone has his own opinion :)
Dirtier place than here... where? Africa ?
No comparison about the odours of US-Europe in summer and here..... my nose is not drunk :)....specially the smell of pussy of some girls...totally different from the smell of pussy of girls in Europe....and it is 20 years I lick pussy....after test the smell with my finger obviously LOL
Neverenuff
04-07-09, 13:51
I have made plenty of local female friends in Rio through a hospitality club who are willing to show me around and hang out. Of course, I'm hoping I get laid for free. However, I'm wondering about the local Rio female's mindset. Would they find it offensive if I suggested we go dutch or do they expect the males they hang out with to pick up the tab for everything?
I have made plenty of local female friends in Rio through a hospitality club who are willing to show me around and hang out. Of course, I'm hoping I get laid for free. However, I'm wondering about the local Rio female's mindset. Would they find it offensive if I suggested we go dutch or do they expect the males they hang out with to pick up the tab for everything?Care to share the name of the "hospitality club?" Maybe some of us here are familiar with it. Then perhaps it can be determined if it's legit or a scam. As for going Dutch, if you were a Brazilian, yes,...maybe. But you're a foreigner earning much more than they do. Careful with how many tag along with you. Also remember, it's never free, you always pay for it, one way or another.
Exec Talent
04-09-09, 09:41
This was originally posted by Sperto in the Rio Reports section. I can think of no better way to ofend a non-pro than by offering or giving her money.
So in another awkard situation, I asked how much reis for her time and she said, "Voce no programa", or something like that. But I understood. However, for 8 hours of fucking and a great time, I gave her R$200 reis and she sat there like, "what am I suppose to do with this? "... I want more of these type of girls, and I will make it worth their wild.
Jamaicanceo, why on earth did you offer her money after having sex?
That would be a major insult to most non-pro girls. If I did something like this to my regular non-pro GF's they would slap my face and never meet me again. They are proud of being hard-working (or studying) women. Getting paid after having sex with a gringo is the same as calling them a "puta".
In this forum I often read "in the end we always have to pay for them". IMO that is pure BS. Most non-pro girls don't expect to get paid in any way. At least not if they really like you. Taking them out to dinner, giving them a present or money to taxi are nice gestures, but that's nothing that's being expected.
It's not about being cheap. It's a matter of showing them respect and treat them like a real girlfriend.
Mr Enternational
04-09-09, 18:43
This was originally posted by Sperto in the Rio Reports section. I can think of no better way to ofend a non-pro than by offering or giving her money.
Jamaicanceo, why on earth did you offer her money after having sex?
That would be a major insult to most non-pro girls. If I did something like this to my regular non-pro GF's they would slap my face and never meet me again. They are proud of being hard-working (or studying) women. Getting paid after having sex with a gringo is the same as calling them a "puta".
In this forum I often read "in the end we always have to pay for them". IMO that is pure BS. Most non-pro girls don't expect to get paid in any way. At least not if they really like you. Taking them out to dinner, giving them a present or money to taxi are nice gestures, but that's nothing that's being expected.
It's not about being cheap. It's a matter of showing them respect and treat them like a real girlfriend.
I agree 100% with everything Sperto and Exec has said. There is no way that I would think about offering money to a non-pro. I would make a total ass of myself by doing something like that. Not to mention the slap and her walking out of my life faster than she walked in. As I have said on this board time and time again, a non-pro in Brazil will not ask for or take 1 centavo from you. It is a big insult even offering. Unless it's a namorado type situation and you are just loaning the money. Shit my girlfriend in Rio is a student and hardly lets me buy her something to eat. She always only gets a sandwich or salgado and a Diet Coke while I'm having a plate of hot food. Quick story.
Last Sunday when I was in Los Angeles I met up with a girl who is from Minas Gerais and works as a nanny in the LA burbs. She made it clear that she was not coming to my room and there would be no sex. My cousins took us to a restaurant in Chinatown and she asked me if I wanted her to pay (dutch). I told her to not even think about it.
Afterward my cousin (who is quite the airhead sometimes) was trying to drive back towards Santa Monica so it would be easier for the girl to get the bus home. I knew that I had done my job of showing respect and treating her like a real girlfriend and I was getting the vibe. So I was like cuz what the hell are you thinking? Take us downtown to my hotel. So we went to my room and I put on some MPB and the rest is history. I walked her to the bus stop at 8:20 and waited with her 20 minutes for the bus. She called me two hours later to let me know she made it home safely and to thank me for a good time.
Jamaicanceo and Drgn's posts led me to look up PUA (Pick-Up Artists), Style, and the Mystery Method - all which teach guys how to use 'psychological' techniques, body-language etc to pick up girls. Apparently this is a multi-million dollar industry in the US, including hundreds of courses, a reality show on MTV, lots of Mystery-method and PUA youtubes (check the youtubes of guys trying the techniques - some are funny, some are pathetic).
The 'techniques' sound like simply a mix of common sense, plain old confidence and a good dose of BS, cleverly marketed with a lot of psycho-babble, including a bit of NLP psycho-babble. Has anyone tried the PUA-type courses or techniques? What do you think of them?
Brazilian guys have their own PUA technique.
Often practiced in the carnival and at clubs.
Brazilian 10-steps PUA technique:
1. Wait for a beautiful (or ugly) girl to pass by.
2. When she approaches, look at the girl from top to toe as you're undressing here.
3. When she gets closer stare deep into her eyes.
4. Lean forwards to her.
5. Use your right hand to stroke and grab her hair.
6. Pull her closer.
7. Use your left hand to grab the girls arm. Hold her tight.
8. Inhale and smell her deeply, whisper a "Mmmmmmmm" into her ear. It doesnīt matter if she has a strong smell of sweat and beer.
9. Kiss the girl on the mouth, with or without force.
10a. If the girl responds to the kiss: go on kissing.
10b. If the girl manage to get loose: make sure you slap her bunda before she leaves.
Note 1: Why doing all these steps you have to continously feed her with frases like gostosa, linda, princesa, meu amor, minha vida etc.
Note 2: If she turns you down, just continue with the next female that pass by.
Note 3: Needless to say, this technique isn't very successfull. Mostly leads to kisses and a tchau. Still, sometimes I see guys that score this way.
Note 4: Most girls don't get offended by this approach. They are accustomed to it as it's a part of the game. Like a mating ritual.
Note 5: I don't recommend this technique. My only exception is during the carnival in Salvador when this behaviour is standard procedure.
Note 6: I appreciate that the brazilian guys use this rude technique. It makes it so much easier for us civilized guys to score brazilian bunda. The girls appreciate a guy that can have a conversation for five minutes without sticking his tongue deep down her throat.
For further studies of this technique I recommend a visit to the forró clubs in the north-east. In Manaus the local guys have developed this technique into an art form.
Funny, Sperto. Works for me in Dubai. ;)
But really, check out the 'mystery method' or 'PUA' youtubes - good fun.
Jamaicanceo and Drgn's posts led me to look up PUA (Pick-Up Artists), Style, and the Mystery Method - all which teach guys how to use 'psychological' techniques, body-language etc to pick up girls. Apparently this is a multi-million dollar industry in the US, including hundreds of courses, a reality show on MTV, lots of Mystery-method and PUA youtubes (check the youtubes of guys trying the techniques - some are funny, some are pathetic).
The 'techniques' sound like simply a mix of common sense, plain old confidence and a good dose of BS, cleverly marketed with a lot of psycho-babble, including a bit of NLP psycho-babble. Has anyone tried the PUA-type courses or techniques? What do you think of them?
The "Pickup" or "Seduction" community, if followed in the right way, is ultimately about making yourself a better person and a better man. It can change your life. It is a far, far better path than paying for sex.
I don't really care for Mystery, though, or advise studying his stuff. I think Vin DiCarlo's material is far better, and a great starting point.
I'd second JCola's comment, though I am not very familiar with Vin DiCarlo's stuff. Ross Jeffries is good - he understands the psychology rather than playing with it and his techniques are easily adapted to ends other than just making yourself the man your date wants to have sex with. It dovetails nicely with non- pick-up NLP courses such as Nightingale Conant. Although very different in style, both these sources are easy to listen to as they also openly use the 'subliminal' techniques in their teaching methods.
When you find out how effective it is for getting women, you may be tempted to use it for ascertaining and achieving life goals.
Brazilian guys have their own PUA technique.
Often practiced in the carnival and at clubs.
Brazilian 10-steps PUA technique:
1. Wait for a beautiful (or ugly) girl to pass by.
2. When she approaches, look at the girl from top to toe as you're undressing here.
3. When she gets closer stare deep into her eyes.
4. Lean forwards to her.
5. Use your right hand to stroke and grab her hair.
6. Pull her closer.
7. Use your left hand to grab the girls arm. Hold her tight.
8. Inhale and smell her deeply, whisper a "Mmmmmmmm" into her ear. It doesnīt matter if she has a strong smell of sweat and beer.
9. Kiss the girl on the mouth, with or without force.
10a. If the girl responds to the kiss: go on kissing.
10b. If the girl manage to get loose: make sure you slap her bunda before she leaves.
Note 1: Why doing all these steps you have to continously feed her with frases like gostosa, linda, princesa, meu amor, minha vida etc.
Note 2: If she turns you down, just continue with the next female that pass by.
Note 3: Needless to say, this technique isn't very successfull. Mostly leads to kisses and a tchau. Still, sometimes I see guys that score this way.
Note 4: Most girls don't get offended by this approach. They are accustomed to it as it's a part of the game. Like a mating ritual.
Note 5: I don't recommend this technique. My only exception is during the carnival in Salvador when this behaviour is standard procedure.
Note 6: I appreciate that the brazilian guys use this rude technique. It makes it so much easier for us civilized guys to score brazilian bunda. The girls appreciate a guy that can have a conversation for five minutes without sticking his tongue deep down her throat.
For further studies of this technique I recommend a visit to the forró clubs in the north-east. In Manaus the local guys have developed this technique into an art form.Hahaha my god. That technique should be fun to test in europe 9/10 will end up in that a guard throw you out.
But a plus to brasilians guys that have the guts to do it. I'm to civilized, boring or not it has always work for me.
C'mon guys - it's psycho-babble.
You either got it or you don't.
Tell me I'm wrong.
C'mon guys - it's psycho-babble.
You either got it or you don't.
Tell me I'm wrong.
You're right.
You are the result of millions of years of evolution. You are here because your parents found qualities in each other sexy and they bred to combine those qualities. They are/were here because THEIR parents found qualities in each other sexy and bred to combine them. And so on, all the way back up the tree. In fact, if you go far enough back, they say we all, all of us living, have one common ancestor. And over hundreds of thousands of years, her daughters bred with partners they found sexy, on and on and on throughout the ages, so that the very best genes could survive and be passed on to you.
So, you're right. Either you have it, or you don't. Fortunately, the very process that led to our EXISTENCE ensures that we all have it, to some degree.
Now, whoever said that you couldn't benefit from finding out what "it" is and how to use it?
In truth, a Cylon "Skin job."(For you BSG fans out there).
So it's my duty to society to sperminate my superior genes.
I'll do my duty, yet again.
It's hard work, but ...
;)
Hey! Bottom line......just do her ( all of them ). Cause if you don"t, some other person will. Laters!
I have made plenty of local female friends in Rio through a hospitality club who are willing to show me around and hang out. Of course, I'm hoping I get laid for free. However, I'm wondering about the local Rio female's mindset. Would they find it offensive if I suggested we go dutch or do they expect the males they hang out with to pick up the tab for everything?
In latin culture, the man is expected to pay for everything, unless he is a pimp.
Regards.
B.B.
I've been using brazilcupid now for the best part of
2 months and have been chatting with a number of lovely
looking women from Rio.
Alot have given me their mobile numbers for when I arrive.
There are afew that I would like to take out when I get there.
I'm just a little worried that I may get caught out by some of them.
My plan is to woo them and then bring them back to my trendy appartment...BUT
I've heard that Brazilian women can be quite clingy and possesive. So
once one of them knows where I live, I am taking a risk bringing another
back. I can't exactly take a non pro to a short time motel! Or can I?
Also are brazilian non pro's easier to bed than european women, once they like
you of course? I am 33 years old good looking and in good shape and my game is pretty good, so I think I should stand a good chance. I have explained to them all that my portuguese
is quite poor but that doesn't seem to bother them.
I WILL be using GDP's, but I also love a challenge!
Your thoughts and experiences would be appreciated.
29 days to go!
I can't exactly take a non pro to a short time motel! Or can I?
You certainly can take a non-pro GF to a motel. Motels are not only for cheating couples and guys with GPs.
Going to a motel means having sex. Hopefully your brazilcupid-friends are in the same mood as you.
Also are brazilian non pro's easier to bed than european women, once they like you of course?
Without any doubt, Yes.
Mr Enternational
04-21-09, 02:27
I've been using brazilcupid now for the best part of
2 months and have been chatting with a number of lovely
looking women from Rio.
Alot have given me their mobile numbers for when I arrive.
There are afew that I would like to take out when I get there.
I'm just a little worried that I may get caught out by some of them.
Brother you don't have as big of a problem as you think. Don't put the cart before the horse. Nine times out of ten they will not show up anyway. You will be lucky to get a lame excuse from them. Then there is number 10. I'll say you'll have her in your clutches by the end of the day. Sooner if you speak the language. Just don't try to take them to your crib right away. Take them to a juice bar and walk around and talk for a while or something.
My regular girl just told me that it has always been a fantasy of hers to fuck on a beach. I am assuming that since she shared that with me, she wants me to make that fantasy come true. Now I know there is no fucking way possible to have sex on Copa or Ipanema beach!!
I need suggestions from the board on where i can make this happen. I was thinking of Recreio because I know that beach is really deserted. However, neither one of us owns a car and I am kinda scared of getting stuck out there, since there are no cabs and the buses run sparingly.
I dont really want to have to travel all the way out to Buzios or Arraial, so i need ideas on a beach locally. Help me out fellas!!
I dont really want to have to travel all the way out to Buzios or Arraial, so i need ideas on a beach locally. Help me out fellas!!
To be undisturbed, I wouldn't choose Recreio, as there's too many buildings nearby.
Better try Prainha, which is bordered by the Mata Atlantica and where there's huge boulders (pedras) maybe convenient to fuck on, or possibly Grumari.
It's still within Rio de Janeiro city limits, but as it's a bit further than Recreio, you'll need a car though.
You certainly can take a non-pro GF to a motel. Motels are not only for cheating couples and guys with GPs.
Going to a motel means having sex. Hopefully your brazilcupid-friends are in the same mood as you.
Without any doubt, Yes.
Brasilian women love motels, probably not the Diplomat or Copa Linda but VIP's and Bambino are considered romantic. Try getting in on dia dos namorados, I had to wait for an hour once at 5pm and there were people queuing behind us.
Exec Talent
05-05-09, 13:22
Brasilian women love motels, probably not the Diplomat or Copa Linda but VIP's and Bambino are considered romantic. Try getting in on dia dos namorados, I had to wait for an hour once at 5pm and there were people queuing behind us.
General Guide (notice many have discounts)
http://www.guiademoteis.com.br/home.aspx?id=000200000000
And, one of my favorites - Diamond in Gloria
http://www.guiademoteis.com.br/moteis/552/Diamond-Hotel.aspx
For those of you with Rio girlfriends (as in plural) the Brazilian Valentine's Day is June 12. Plan accordingly. You may find it easier not to be in Rio during that time otherwise you will have a lot of explaining to do.
For those of you with Rio girlfriends (as in plural) the Brazilian Valentine's Day is June 12. Plan accordingly. You may find it easier not to be in Rio during that time otherwise you will have a lot of explaining to do.
Better yet, tell them you're going out of town and head to 4x4. Absolute best day of the year to be there, as there are virtually NO Brazilian guys, and you'll find you virtually have the place all to yourself.
JohnnyBraz
05-06-09, 09:11
My regular girl just told me that it has always been a fantasy of hers to fuck on a beach. I am assuming that since she shared that with me, she wants me to make that fantasy come true. Now I know there is no fucking way possible to have sex on Copa or Ipanema beach!!
I need suggestions from the board on where i can make this happen. I was thinking of Recreio because I know that beach is really deserted. However, neither one of us owns a car and I am kinda scared of getting stuck out there, since there are no cabs and the buses run sparingly.
I dont really want to have to travel all the way out to Buzios or Arraial, so i need ideas on a beach locally. Help me out fellas!!I have had sex a few times on the rocks at aparador. Late at night of course. After a meal at the aprador inn followed by a walk up to the big rocks, find a nice spot. Then go for it.
I have had sex a few times on the rocks at aparador. Late at night of course. After a meal at the aprador inn followed by a walk up to the big rocks, find a nice spot. Then go for it.
Isn't this just a tad dangerous? I would fear being stumbled upon by the criminal element, or by the police (or am I being redundant?). In any event, you're a braver man than I am!
I have had sex a few times on the rocks at aparador. Late at night of course. After a meal at the aprador inn followed by a walk up to the big rocks, find a nice spot. Then go for it.
Sounds like fun, but definitely not safe.
I've been close to several robbery attempts while shagging on beaches in Brazil (not in Rio). I've been lucky this far, but I wouldn't try it in Rio.
I rather have a go up on the Sugarloaf (god spots on the backside). :)
I have had sex a few times on the rocks at aparador. Late at night of course. After a meal at the aprador inn followed by a walk up to the big rocks, find a nice spot. Then go for it.
That would explain all those used condoms I kept stepping over as I tried to take some pictures.
JohnnyBraz
05-07-09, 09:30
Isn't this just a tad dangerous? I would fear being stumbled upon by the criminal element, or by the police (or am I being redundant?). In any event, you're a braver man than I am!I don't find it dangerous at all. Fun yes. Too many people worry too much in Rio. When you worry it ruins your fun and vacation.
I don't find it dangerous at all. Fun yes. Too many people worry too much in Rio. When you worry it ruins your fun and vacation.
You might have a point but many people will not have read your earlier posts about how you can handle certain kinds of trouble. I for one don't have your fighting background. Now if you are just shagging and have nothing to steal but a spare condom, why not? I've been there for parties and things but it didn't stop carioca friends worrying about my safety. I don't treat going there lightly even if I'm not carrying valuables. There are much nicer places for outdoor sex IMO. But everyone to their own. And of course, when the fancy takes you.
I have a question for you experienced guys here. I've been dating this Brazilian girl for about a year and a half now and I do quite like her. I visited 3 times after we met and things were fine so far. She is a nurse, age 25 and works in some private eye clinic. When I am away from Brazil I usually call her on Friday or Saturday night just to check she is at home or out with some friends as she says she is. :) She is a true GF, never asking for any money or anything else. In fact, when I am in Brazil she always insists we take a bus and not waste money for taxis and usually cooks for me. :) But last Friday night she did not pick up the phone for the first time I've been calling her. I rang a few times and then she switched the phone off. When I called the other day I went crazy and insisted she explains what had happened. First she said that the battery on the phone discharged and teh phone went off. I told her not to bullshit and, blah, blah, blah, few minutes later she started crying and admitted that she went to a party and met some ex-boyfriend after a while and ended up dancing and kissing with him. She insists that it was a one-off, says he is now married and she did it because she felt lonely as I am away for too long. The question is: DUMP HER or KEEP her?
I have a question for you experienced guys here. I've been dating this Brazilian girl for about a year and a half now and I do quite like her. I visited 3 times after we met and things were fine so far. She is a nurse, age 25 and works in some private eye clinic. When I am away from Brazil I usually call her on Friday or Saturday night just to check she is at home or out with some friends as she says she is. :) She is a true GF, never asking for any money or anything else. In fact, when I am in Brazil she always insists we take a bus and not waste money for taxis and usually cooks for me. :) But last Friday night she did not pick up the phone for the first time I've been calling her. I rang a few times and then she switched the phone off. When I called the other day I went crazy and insisted she explains what had happened. First she said that the battery on the phone discharged and teh phone went off. I told her not to bullshit and, blah, blah, blah, few minutes later she started crying and admitted that she went to a party and met some ex-boyfriend after a while and ended up dancing and kissing with him. She insists that it was a one-off, says he is now married and she did it because she felt lonely as I am away for too long. The question is: DUMP HER or KEEP her?
You don't HAVE to dump her, but if you keep her, you cannot immediately go back to the way things were, or she will lose respect for you. If you keep her, she has to feel, initially, that she has lost privileges--time spent, money spent, your monogamy, whatever--which she then has to work to earn back. Women are EXTREMELY conscious of where the power lies in a relationship. Whatever you take away from her, she may whine, she may cry, she may yell and threaten, but you have to stick to your guns, and if she walks, you have to be willing to let her walk. 9 times out of 10, she WILL come back as long as you don't fold. She MUST feel that she worked to get back to where she was before SHE fucked up. Otherwise, she will feel you're a man of little value, and she will start treating you with less respect.
Good Luck.
...The question is: DUMP HER or KEEP her?
When you're away from each other a long time these things might happen.
If she admitted the kissing part she propably has been playing hide-the-sausage as well.
You might keep her, but it's important you give her a very clear signal that these manners can't be tolerated.
It's like when you have a dog. If the dog makes a poo inside your house you must show him that he made something terribly bad.
I have a question for you experienced guys here. I've been dating this Brazilian girl for about a year and a half now and I do quite like her. I visited 3 times after we met and things were fine so far. She is a nurse, age 25 and works in some private eye clinic. When I am away from Brazil I usually call her on Friday or Saturday night just to check she is at home or out with some friends as she says she is. :) She is a true GF, never asking for any money or anything else. In fact, when I am in Brazil she always insists we take a bus and not waste money for taxis and usually cooks for me. :) But last Friday night she did not pick up the phone for the first time I've been calling her. I rang a few times and then she switched the phone off. When I called the other day I went crazy and insisted she explains what had happened. First she said that the battery on the phone discharged and teh phone went off. I told her not to bullshit and, blah, blah, blah, few minutes later she started crying and admitted that she went to a party and met some ex-boyfriend after a while and ended up dancing and kissing with him. She insists that it was a one-off, says he is now married and she did it because she felt lonely as I am away for too long. The question is: DUMP HER or KEEP her?Agree on the other answear. But additional to that I will ask. Why are you not living togehter after 1, 5 year? If she really like you and vise verse. A long distance relationship is never working in the long run. The risk is very high she will do it again, not beacuse she not love you but she feel alone.
Woman can be very sensitive creature and when they are a Alfa male directly sense it and take advantage of it, and suddenly she is in his arm.
Take her home now.
By my experience and what I have seen for last 6 years that I've been in and out of Brasil, before settling in here, I can tell that there is no way trusting these women that much that you can have a long distance relationship.
First of all, they do LOVE sex. What do you guys think they're doing when you are not around? If you visit Brasil 2 - 4 times a year, you'll be out of Brasil more that in. It is SO easy to go for a quickie in a fuck motel during the lunch, in some lunch is even included.
To Marcoooo I'd say that let her go. She'll make you miserable. But its your call.
Thanks guys!
At the moment I am inclined to let her go. There is plenty of fish in the sea. The only thing which is puzzling me is why did she adimit being with another guy?
Any ideas?
Poucolouco
05-08-09, 17:27
I have a question for you experienced guys here. I've been dating this Brazilian girl for about a year and a half now and I do quite like her. I visited 3 times after we met and things were fine so far. She is a nurse, age 25 and works in some private eye clinic. When I am away from Brazil I usually call her on Friday or Saturday night just to check she is at home or out with some friends as she says she is. :) She is a true GF, never asking for any money or anything else. In fact, when I am in Brazil she always insists we take a bus and not waste money for taxis and usually cooks for me. :) But last Friday night she did not pick up the phone for the first time I've been calling her. I rang a few times and then she switched the phone off. When I called the other day I went crazy and insisted she explains what had happened. First she said that the battery on the phone discharged and teh phone went off. I told her not to bullshit and, blah, blah, blah, few minutes later she started crying and admitted that she went to a party and met some ex-boyfriend after a while and ended up dancing and kissing with him. She insists that it was a one-off, says he is now married and she did it because she felt lonely as I am away for too long. The question is: DUMP HER or KEEP her?
Put things into perspective. You have been dating her, you are not married to her. Cooking for you and taking the bus, even cleaning your apartment for you is not unique, its the normal way of life in Brasil. Three visits in a year is a nice relationship but not serious enough to think that she should not have a social life. A 25 year old woman shouldn't be expected to be celibate unless she is in a convent. A good relationship needs to be based on trust. The fact that you think you need to check up on her is not good for either of you. You can stay in touch with her without insisting that she be totally accountable to you. You can have a loving relationship without either of you giving up your freedom. If you love her there is no reason to dump her. Its not a question of should you keep her. You dont own her.
Put things into perspective.
You dont own her.Well said and thumb up.
I gave some thought about this issue with non-pro GFs.
My opinions:
* Finding a brazilian GF who will wait faithfully for you until your next visit in Brazil is very difficult. I would say maybe 5-10% of the non-pro GFs will be faithfully. If you hunt in Copacabana and have a limited knowledge of Portuguese the percentage might be 0,1%
* IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR BRAZILAIN GF FAITHFUL, MY ADVICES ARE:
1. Contact. Assume you have a GF (Stage 1-girl) in Brazil. You need to have a lot of contact with her even when you're not in Brazil. MSN, webcam, sweet letters etc.
2. No jealousy. Brazilian guys are very jealous. If their GFs goes out with her friends, dress sexy or put on make-up, they might forbid her doing this or even hit her. IMO that's wrong. If I have a GF that I trust I've no problem with her going out or dressing anyway she likes. I would never call her late to see if she is at home. Have a communication with her, if it's obvious that she lies, then drop her to stage 2.
3. Be firm. A brazilian friend once told me that with a brazilian girl you must "not treat her like a dog, but show her that you CAN treat her like a dog". I would never mistreat any women or even less slap any woman at all. However, with brazilian women you can't be a slap-dick who will accept any behaviour at all and let her take control of you. If you do that she will loose her respect for you and finish with you. You have to be firm and if necessary dictate the rules of your relationship.
* STAGES:
I would devide my female brazilian girlfriends into these stages:
Stage 1. A GF that you love or are in love with. Treat her like a princess. Behave yourself (if you cheat on her you have to do it in a clever way). Usually I have 2-3 GFs in Brazil that belongs to this category.
Stage 2. A GF that you have rarely contact with, maybe once a month. You are very fond of her, because she's a nice girl or good in bed. When you go to Brazil you meet for a couple of days. You have good sex. When you leave, the adventure stops and she returns to her normal life, maybe with a brazilian BF.
Most of my non-pro GFs I meet when I travel in Brazil belongs to this category. I know they are giving me "chifros" when I'm not there. I have no problem with that as I do the same for the rest of the year, except that week (or days... or night) that I spend together with them.
Stage 3. These are the all the one-night stands and the GF from stage 1 and 2 who has fallen down to this category. You have them in your addresslist and might call them when you are passing through the city where she lives.
A GF from stage 2 or 3 will never go to stage 1. The only way they can go is down.
* "Fuck-list". I know, I'm a hopeless pig, but I always keep a f**k-list. I note everything about the women I meet in Brazil. Name, age, contact info, physical appearance, behaviour and give grades on oral sex, anal, tit-f**ks etc and I if have any expenses with her etc. If I consider to meet an ex GF I havn't seen in a couple of years I first check my list to see if she is worth seeing or not.
JohnnyBraz
05-08-09, 19:11
You don't HAVE to dump her, but if you keep her, you cannot immediately go back to the way things were, or she will lose respect for you. If you keep her, she has to feel, initially, that she has lost privileges--time spent, money spent, your monogamy, whatever--which she then has to work to earn back. Women are EXTREMELY conscious of where the power lies in a relationship. Whatever you take away from her, she may whine, she may cry, she may yell and threaten, but you have to stick to your guns, and if she walks, you have to be willing to let her walk. 9 times out of 10, she WILL come back as long as you don't fold. She MUST feel that she worked to get back to where she was before SHE fucked up. Otherwise, she will feel you're a man of little value, and she will start treating you with less respect.
Good Luck.Very well said, never bow. Brazilian women have no respect for weak men.
At Poucoloco
I meant keep the relationship with her. I understand where you are coming from. But when you say a relationship needs to be based on trust. I cannot trust a girl that switches her phone off on me because she is with another guy. And I was checking up on her, but last Friday I was calling to talk about my next trip to Brazil and this pisses me off even more. Anyway, I am not really into "open" relationships so I let her go now. I would do the same if a gril did this to me here at home, so. I did enjoy my time with her but now its time for new challenges.
At Sperto,
This is not in Copacabana. This is a small town in Sao Paulo state where I have some family. I've been to Brazil quite a few times and can communicate in "Brasileiro" quite well. I've been going there a lot in the last few years. BTW, I like your stages. Do you drop a girl from Stage 1 to Stage 2 if she admits cheating on you?
Put things into perspective. You have been dating her, you are not married to her. Cooking for you and taking the bus, even cleaning your apartment for you is not unique, its the normal way of life in Brasil. Three visits in a year is a nice relationship but not serious enough to think that she should not have a social life. A 25 year old woman shouldn't be expected to be celibate unless she is in a convent. A good relationship needs to be based on trust. The fact that you think you need to check up on her is not good for either of you. You can stay in touch with her without insisting that she be totally accountable to you. You can have a loving relationship without either of you giving up your freedom. If you love her there is no reason to dump her. Its not a question of should you keep her. You dont own her.
I have a question for you experienced guys here. I've been dating this Brazilian girl for about a year and a half now and I do quite like her. I visited 3 times after we met and things were fine so far. She is a nurse, age 25 and works in some private eye clinic. When I am away from Brazil I usually call her on Friday or Saturday night just to check she is at home or out with some friends as she says she is. :) She is a true GF, never asking for any money or anything else. In fact, when I am in Brazil she always insists we take a bus and not waste money for taxis and usually cooks for me. :) But last Friday night she did not pick up the phone for the first time I've been calling her. I rang a few times and then she switched the phone off. When I called the other day I went crazy and insisted she explains what had happened. First she said that the battery on the phone discharged and teh phone went off. I told her not to bullshit and, blah, blah, blah, few minutes later she started crying and admitted that she went to a party and met some ex-boyfriend after a while and ended up dancing and kissing with him. She insists that it was a one-off, says he is now married and she did it because she felt lonely as I am away for too long. The question is: DUMP HER or KEEP her?
My friend a wise man has said this many a times.. Every midnight there are millions of women turning 18 around the world that are waiting for you to find them..
I would say you can keep her around so that you can feel tied down.. Why would you want to take sand to the beach?? She is 25, young and lonely.. which is most of the women in Brazil, Thailand, Domincan Republic, and countless other places. You are thousands a miles away who is keeping you happy the rest of the time you are not there? You can have her a friend that you visit while there and if the time comes that you and her are in the same area for the rest of your life then settle down.
I know of a couple Brazilian ladies that when there husbands, or boyfriends in the states are not there they are having lunch with me when I visit in Brazil and in the USA.. They always say the same thing they are lonely and we are just friends and please don't speak to me in front of my husband, boyfriend, or family..
Good luck, just my 2 cevatos..
Well, in this case it was a bit different. She was not hiding me from anyone. I actually met her family quite a few times and also her friends. Even went fishing with her cousins to a fazenda nearby Riberao Preto (That's where she lives).
My friend a wise man has said this many a times. Every midnight there are millions of women turning 18 around the world that are waiting for you to find them.
I would say you can keep her around so that you can feel tied down. Why would you want to take sand to the beach? She is 25, young and lonely. Which is most of the women in Brazil, Thailand, Domincan Republic, and countless other places. You are thousands a miles away who is keeping you happy the rest of the time you are not there? You can have her a friend that you visit while there and if the time comes that you and her are in the same area for the rest of your life then settle down.
I know of a couple Brazilian ladies that when there husbands, or boyfriends in the states are not there they are having lunch with me when I visit in Brazil and in the USA. They always say the same thing they are lonely and we are just friends and please don't speak to me in front of my husband, boyfriend, or family.
Good luck, just my 2 cevatos.
Mr Enternational
05-09-09, 03:55
I'm a lot different. I would act like I didn't care and ask her if she had a good time.
BTW, I like your stages. Do you drop a girl from Stage 1 to Stage 2 if she admits cheating on you?
If a girl cheats on me?
If a stage 1 girl cheats on me, she goes to "stage 4" (f*** of stage) for a period of time. Later she might have a chance to enter stage 3 if she's really nice, but she can never go back to stage 1.
Stage 2 and 3 girls are allowed to cheat on me as our relations are purely sexual.
The question is: DUMP HER or KEEP her?It's a fair question assuming you too are remaining celibate in your absence from her, are not out chasing women on a Fri. or Sat night and wouldn't mind her calling checking on you when you are out with your friends on a Sat. night to make sure you are behaving yourself.
Woman can be very sensitive creature and when they are a Alfa male directly sense it and take advantage of it, and suddenly she is in his arm.You may be referring to this phenomenon. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/5042640/Women-more-attracted-to-men-in-expensive-cars.html
Although I don't believe the study was restricted to Italian sports cars. ;)
You may be referring to this phenomenon. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/5042640/Women-more-attracted-to-men-in-expensive-cars.html
Although I don't believe the study was restricted to Italian sports cars. ;)Hahaha yes there is the phenomenon that i talking about.
That combined with the "feel protected and attention" needs woman have... it can only go one way and that is to " hide the sausage game" :D
Thanks guys!
At the moment I am inclined to let her go. There is plenty of fish in the sea. The only thing which is puzzling me is why did she adimit being with another guy?
Any ideas?
Probably because she is honest. If she was a b itch you would have never known ...
Regards. B.B.
JohnnyBraz
05-10-09, 02:15
Probably because she is honest. If she was a b itch you would have never known.
Regards. B.B.Maybe she admited to kissing him because alot off people seen them together, but really she fucked him. And is covering her tracks. Brazilian women are manipulative and cunning. If your not there they are capable off doing anything.
Poucolouco
05-10-09, 03:20
...When I called the other day I went crazy and insisted she explains what had happened. First she said that the battery on the phone discharged and teh phone went off. I told her not to bullshit...
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At the moment I am inclined to let her go. There is plenty of fish in the sea. The only thing which is puzzling me is why did she adimit being with another guy? Any ideas?
I don't get it. First you went off on her to get to the truth. She admitted it because she has a conscience.
Now you can't accept the truth. I suggest you stop obsessing and move on.
I meant keep the relationship with her. I understand where you are coming from. But when you say a relationship needs to be based on trust. I cannot trust a girl that switches her phone off on me because she is with another guy. And I was checking up on her, but last Friday I was calling to talk about my next trip to Brazil and this pisses me off even more. Anyway, I am not really into "open" relationships so I let her go now. I would do the same if a gril did this to me here at home, so. I did enjoy my time with her but now its time for new challenges.
Here are my 2 centavos.
You are just a pissed off jealous men who can't accept that she had a weak hour. And this with a now married ex (to another girl) whom she had kissed again and kissed and bumped anyhow long time before you both met.
I am the opinion that the bad part of you both as the couple here is on you, not the girl.
Ok, the girl made some mistake, she obviously regrets already and probably was to fair to admit it. You better should find out why this happened - she felt lonely -she said, instead of shouting and getting crazy. But what are you doing all the time?
You follow her up in your sick jealously and w/o a exception try to catch her at prime times when people are going out, just to check & control, as you don't trust her.
What a bad thing. You just want to lock her off, and ideally want her waiting for your coming back and she shouldn't be ideally be allowed to have some night out with her friends.
When you want to talk about important things, such as planning your next trip, why can't you agree on a better time like Sunday morning or afternoon, or a time where you know that each other has no schedule. How about using Skype, MSN and other computer based VoIP communication, which can be even cost free? Such things are difficult to talk, when you are among your friends.
A call on a weekend night out should be a short one and a positive one, such as 'hi good evening, its me, wish you a good time tonight, I just wanted to hear your voice, are you ok?. This could drive your relation to something better then check & control in mind. If she wants to cheat you on a regular basis, or hide 'another' boyfriend, then she has enough time when e.g. she is supposed to be at work or such. You can't follow her up there anyhow.
When you now easily break your relation you should ask yourself:
- Did you really like the girl?
- Did you secretly have potentially considered for a close relation, potential marriage?
Is there some yes in, then check and then think, what will be the alternative? :
- Find new girl and build up new relation?
- You want to rely on a Pro or none pro again?
- So you will do your paranoia check & control & possibly lock behavior again with the new girl?
- is an home grown girl an alternnative?
Consider the next canditate may not want to be under such close control, or will be probably less honest. Consider it may take another 3 more girls until you find a one you like to meet her up. You had obviously a lot of good moments, so it can take another 3-5 years (considering it will be 2nd or 3rd next only) to get the same feeling and status again.
My impression here is: you may have had already a good and nice girl.
She may not have however yet found a good and nice potential husband who really loves here and also trusts her. Do you deserve her?
Think what you want to do long tem:
Think on a partnership and potential marriage with a Brazilian none Pro?
If not, then move on and continue P4P!
If yes, then you may just rather screw up a better option right now in your sick jealously.
If you come to the conclusion, a continuation is an option, then it may also be better (after clearing the incident), to plan for more being together and think on how a road map (to bring her (or others) home) could look like.
My 2 cvs
Regards
Brain666
Hey Guys!
Thanks for the comments! This novela das oito is now finished.
I told her that I will not continue with her. No switching phones off on me!
Hi Brain!
Thanks for your comments! I still only do Non-Pros in Brazil. And I decided that in the future it will only be ficar, no more namorar! No more long term distance relationships. I am quite jealous and controlling so it is best not to seek any commitments. And I don't feel ready to get married yet! Once I do, I'll do it with a home girl!
I have a question for you experienced guys here. I've been dating this Brazilian girl for about a year and a half now and I do quite like her. I visited 3 times after we met and things were fine so far. She is a nurse, age 25 and works in some private eye clinic. When I am away from Brazil I usually call her on Friday or Saturday night just to check she is at home or out with some friends as she says she is. :) She is a true GF, never asking for any money or anything else. In fact, when I am in Brazil she always insists we take a bus and not waste money for taxis and usually cooks for me. :) But last Friday night she did not pick up the phone for the first time I've been calling her. I rang a few times and then she switched the phone off. When I called the other day I went crazy and insisted she explains what had happened. First she said that the battery on the phone discharged and teh phone went off. I told her not to bullshit and, blah, blah, blah, few minutes later she started crying and admitted that she went to a party and met some ex-boyfriend after a while and ended up dancing and kissing with him. She insists that it was a one-off, says he is now married and she did it because she felt lonely as I am away for too long. The question is: DUMP HER or KEEP her?
I think I am late with this one as I read other post related to this, but if she has an ex in Rio that she's saying she is married to, then something must have went wrong somewhere. I don't think she would just do that for no reason. There are a lot of things you are not telling us. Maybe your too jealous? Did yall get into a fight?
If you really want this girl show her that you are a better man. Maybe her phone did die and she couldn't speak with you. From my experience, sometimes girls will say things to test you. It doesn't matter if she is from Brazil or any other country, I noticed girls say things to see what you say and do. If you still like this girl try to show you are the better man but give her, her space too, if not let it go.
From what it sounds like in your post, is that she is a really nice girl. And you said near the end that you falsely accused her of ignoring you. There are a lot of holes in this story. YOU SHOULD NEVER ACCUSE HER IF YOU HAVE NO PROOF (sorry for using caps, but I wanted to emphasize) Girls don't like that and she might have already moved on. If she didn't want to answer the phone then let it be, just call her the next day and ask her what happen that friday. Now it might be too late for you to maybe even try to get her back, depending on how the situation went down. Just my 2 cents
JohnnyBraz
05-10-09, 06:38
Dump her. Before she dumps you. Long distance relationships don't work. If you dump her you will have more chance off fucking her when you return to brazil. Women hate rejection. Play it psycologically.
Hi Madd Love,
She was never married and this is not in Rio. He is an ex-boyfriend and he is now married (apparently). She is from Riberao Preto, a small-ish city in Sao Paulo state. Her phone did not die, she switched it off. I know that for a fact because she addmitted it after firstly denying it and from the tone of her voice. So, no false accusations at all. We spoke several times after what happened and she was very appologetic, saying it was an "impulso", she could not believe what has happened, was sorry, she does not know what she will do if I lieve her and all that. And I admit being jealous, but I don't think it is over the top. I can understand her. She went to a party, met a guy she likes and stayed with him because it felt nice for that evening/night. The fact is she did this when she knew I was coming to visit in just several weeks. This I cannot tolerate and that is why I now broke up with her (even though I liked her and she seemed a nice girl). Now I don't think having a distance relationship in Brazil (or other countries) really woks, so it is better this way.
I think I am late with this one as I read other post related to this, but if she has an ex in Rio that she's saying she is married to, then something must have went wrong somewhere. I don't think she would just do that for no reason. There are a lot of things you are not telling us. Maybe your too jealous? Did yall get into a fight?
If you really want this girl show her that you are a better man. Maybe her phone did die and she couldn't speak with you. From my experience, sometimes girls will say things to test you. It doesn't matter if she is from Brazil or any other country, I noticed girls say things to see what you say and do. If you still like this girl try to show you are the better man but give her, her space too, if not let it go.
From what it sounds like in your post, is that she is a really nice girl. And you said near the end that you falsely accused her of ignoring you. There are a lot of holes in this story. YOU SHOULD NEVER ACCUSE HER IF YOU HAVE NO PROOF (sorry for using caps, but I wanted to emphasize) Girls don't like that and she might have already moved on. If she didn't want to answer the phone then let it be, just call her the next day and ask her what happen that friday. Now it might be too late for you to maybe even try to get her back, depending on how the situation went down. Just my 2 cents
Looking For Eden
05-10-09, 21:12
Hey guys, I will be returning to Brazil soon and wanted to know what experiences you have had in regard to dating websites for Brazil. Obviously ones that are in complete portuguese will be the best but my fluency is not there yet so I still need english ones.
I have used amigos, Brazil Cupid and one other one I can't remember the name of right now, maybe latin american cupid was it. They were all a colossal waste of time and effort for me. I chatted up a lot of women but in the end not many spoke any english despite what they claimed in their profile and the really hot ones I could tell had plenty of other men chatting them up and probably sending them money and shit.
So are there any other websites out there I can try or does anybody have any tips for how I can get more out of the ones mentioned before I go? Thanks in advance for your advice and if you have a special website that you like and don't want to share it with the forum please PM me. Peace
LFE
Like many here I have been fortunate enough to befriend several terma workers whom I speak with pretty frequently. For me it keeps the door open for when I return (great for nights and weekends when they are off). Yet I really can't see the benefit for them, other than free drinks and a night on the town. For me we know my benefit, no direct pay I have even received gifts from them. So thats my question is this the norm? And what suprise lays around the corner?
Just the update on the situation. After I dumped her and did not call for a few days she texted me to say she needs to speak to me urgently. I called and she started saying that she did not stay with an ex, but that this was just a test to see how I would behave. He, he, he. How stupid is that?
Just the update
Marcoooo, you are, as you may be suspecting already, totally getting into your head over this. You have the choice. a) Enjoy lots of pussy, b) listen to a girl give you a headache.
If you find and fall in love with Miss Wonderful you will know and she will not give you a headache, just lots of pussy n TLC.
Most of this shit is explainable - we could debate it for hours. If we manage to explain it all she will come up with something that is not explainable. That is what girls are expert at. Live with it. Make your choices on whether to include it in your valuable time.
Relationships, including distant ones, only 'work' if they work for you. For instance, if you want to see a girl sometimes and not have her around cramping your style and in your hair the rest of the time. Anything else and it just means she has the upper hand and can twiddle your strings. We've all been there and it's harder to kick the habit when you've been injecting her all day, tossing it over in your mind ad infinitum - that's part of what you are meant to do (from her p.o.v.) It would be what she was meant to do if you had the upper hand. So the role of mates - even forum-ites - is maybe just to remind you of your better senses.
If she comes into your head unbidden, just think of what a smelly arse she has, or what an embarrassment she is, or anything else that cements her in your head as a 2-bit member of the female species exactly the same, no more and no less, as every other of the millions out there - many of which may be better deserving of your time and efforts. You maybe then don't have to tell yourself not to give her a second thought - you'll be too busy thinking about other potential lays that are really attractive instead of headfucks. Nothing against her personally - but that's what she is to you right now IMHO - a headfuck. Ferrrrgeddit!!
Might not work. Just 2 cents.
Azn Safado
05-14-09, 05:58
Like many here I have been fortunate enough to befriend several terma workers whom I speak with pretty frequently. For me it keeps the door open for when I return (great for nights and weekends when they are off). Yet I really can't see the benefit for them, other than free drinks and a night on the town. For me we know my benefit, no direct pay I have even received gifts from them. So thats my question is this the norm? And what suprise lays around the corner?
I am also friends with a few terma workers. They are human beings after all, who do get lonely. So a night on the town is good for them. If they enjoy your company and you treat them well, then they will be appreciative. So I don't think anything lies around the corner, just take it for what it is - a friendship with benefits. Those who are not genuine or try to hustle you, you can cut them loose.
If she comes into your head unbidden, just think of what a smelly arse she has, or what an embarrassment she is, or anything else that cements her in your head as a 2-bit member of the female species exactly the same, no more and no less, as every other of the millions out there. Many of which may be better deserving of your time and efforts.you know, this sounds adolescent but it actually works. Of course, as a mature adult, I'd like to think I can break up while not forgetting the fine qualities that attracted me in the first place.
But when it's time to move on, don't. Think I'll of her. Doing so gets you through and beyond emotionally loaded recollections.
So if you find yourself unfavorably comparing to your former the one whose legs are spread before you, poison the comparison with a handy negative memory and dive in!
Exec Talent
05-14-09, 08:29
Just the update on the situation. After I dumped her and did not call for a few days she texted me to say she needs to speak to me urgently. I called and she started saying that she did not stay with an ex, but that this was just a test to see how I would behave. He, he, he. How stupid is that?
Mostly likely NOW she IS telling the truth. Brazilian women are insanely jealous and expect you to be the same if you really love them. The question is - do you? If so, stop playing these games and tell her. If not, let her go. Regardless, by all means, stop asking for advice on a forum where most guys have no idea how to have a normal healthy relationship with a woman.
Mostly likely NOW she IS telling the truth. Brazilian women are insanely jealous and expect you to be the same if you really love them. The question is - do you? If so, stop playing these games and tell her. If not, let her go. Regardless, by all means, stop asking for advice on a forum where most guys have no idea how to have a normal healthy relationship with a woman.
Your last statement in this post is hilarious................cause its true! :)
Mostly likely NOW she IS telling the truth. Brazilian women are insanely jealous and expect you to be the same if you really love them. The question is - do you? If so, stop playing these games and tell her. If not, let her go. ....
I fully confirm Exec Talent's analysis. It's quite normal in Brazil that women be insanely jealous, leading them to behaviors that could be considered as extreme in Europe or the USA. They check on you all the time.
My present novia (that I met on BrazilCupid) recently confessed to me that she had set up a false profile in order to check on me, and see if I was still actively looking for other women.
So my advice is give this girl a chance ... but be cautious.
Regards B.B.
Looking For Eden
05-14-09, 14:44
I fully confirm Exec Talent's analysis. It's quite normal in Brazil that women be insanely jealous, leading them to behaviors that could be considered as extreme in Europe or the USA. They check on you all the time.
My present novia (that I met on BrazilCupid) recently confessed to me that she had set up a false profile in order to check on me, and see if I was still actively looking for other women.
So my advice is give this girl a chance ... but be cautious.
Regards B.B.
You should play the lottery then. Finding a serious woman on BrazilCupid has about the same odds.
Jamaicanceo and Drgn's posts led me to look up PUA (Pick-Up Artists), Style, and the Mystery Method - all which teach guys how to use 'psychological' techniques, body-language etc to pick up girls. Apparently this is a multi-million dollar industry in the US, including hundreds of courses, a reality show on MTV, lots of Mystery-method and PUA youtubes (check the youtubes of guys trying the techniques - some are funny, some are pathetic).
The 'techniques' sound like simply a mix of common sense, plain old confidence and a good dose of BS, cleverly marketed with a lot of psycho-babble, including a bit of NLP psycho-babble. Has anyone tried the PUA-type courses or techniques? What do you think of them?Reality show Pick-Up Artists video below.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=33246607
Below is an Interview with the guy seen in the above video Derek Cajun
http://www.growyourgame.com/articles/interviews/keys-to-the-vip-is-it-real-interview-with-derek-cajun/
More videos:
http://video.aol.com/category/keys-to-the-vip
You should play the lottery then. Finding a serious woman on BrazilCupid has about the same odds.
I've been chatting with a lovely little 26 year old morena who is a school teacher in Rio. She's sent me many pictures of her and her school. Seems quite pleasant, so I thought I would hook up with her for afew days when I'm there. But now she has asked if she can meet me at the airport, she wants to introduce me to her kids at school, her mum and show me around her neighborhood? Is this the norm for non-pro women?
I've only been chatting with her the last 2 weeks properly, just seems abit obsessive...lol
Looking For Eden
05-15-09, 17:42
But now she has asked if she can meet me at the airport, she wants to introduce me to her kids at school, her mum and show me around her neighborhood? Is this the norm for non-pro women?
I've only been chatting with her the last 2 weeks properly, just seems abit obsessive...lol
After 2 weeks? Yes I would say so, a bit obsessive. I have used that site on and off for the last 3 years and it has steadily gone down hill in my opinion. A lot more pros now and trannys too, which were never there when I found it. There is still the occasional gem to be had but you can be sure that there are at least 5 - 10 other guys better looking than you (and with more money) chatting with her too. The rest of the women that aren't looking for a life preserver (which is most of them) get tired of the shit quickly and don't come back.
Again if anybody has any experience with other sites that are better or has other suggestions please share them or PM me. I have concluded that my time and energy is better spent meeting women through my friends already there.
LFE
I've been chatting with a lovely little 26 year old morena who is a school teacher in Rio. She's sent me many pictures of her and her school. Seems quite pleasant, so I thought I would hook up with her for afew days when I'm there. But now she has asked if she can meet me at the airport, she wants to introduce me to her kids at school, her mum and show me around her neighborhood? Is this the norm for non-pro women?
I've only been chatting with her the last 2 weeks properly, just seems abit obsessive...lol
Even though I don't do dating sites I would like to give my opinions.
* The mum-part is a good sign when it comes that early, propably meaning that she's a decent girl.
* The kids-at-school-part also seems like a good sign to me.
I've dated teachers, but they never introduced me to the school. ("This is Sperto. He's a gringo-safado. Class,repeat "Sperto is a safado"...")
* Neighbourhood-presenting-part is routine, and often very fun.
* The datingsite-part means (IMO) "Mines, Proceed With Caution".
Even though IMO dating sites are crap, this have good signs to me. Go ahead! The outcome will be good even if you don't get to have sex with the teacher.
If there is a brother-part it can be interesting. Show some macho-attitude, generosity (meaning, buy them beers) and love and affection towards their sister.
The tougher part is the father-part. Might mean that you have to drink cheap cachaca for hours with him and giving the impression that you have serious interest in his daughter.
One of the most difficult introducing I've ever had was when meeting a black girl from an upperclass family, at a party with all their relatives. 40 black brazilian folks and me white, blond and blue-eyed. However it went very well.
In general it's much more difficult passing an introduction to a rich upper-class families than a lowerclass.
Exec Talent
05-15-09, 19:49
I remember well my first meeting with my ex-girlfriend's Brazilian father. He didn't mince words. He wanted to know what were my intentions with his daughter. Once he got to know me, he became like a second father. I think one of the best things about having a relationship with a Brazilian woman can be the time spent with her family.
My experiences through internet hook ups mainly through social networking sites like Facebook & myspace etc. I've had a look at Brazil Cupid and one or two others I forget the names now but they kinda put me off straight away as a bit fake and instantly knew any hot looking garota is going to be getting multiple PMs daily. But I also believe that on all these sites are just decent normal people that in Brazil and all over the world come home from work and sit obsessivly on the internet searching and looking at whatever they feel like. So the chances of meeting someone normal of working class, educated and importantly non-pro should be pretty good but just the 'dating' site formula but me off.
But on the social networking aspect such as facebook I have found successful in meeting girls which have become friends some internet friends others I've hooked up with partyied a bit, dated and 1 or 2 quite serious relationships, on facebook if you join the Brazil network there are 1000s of different groups of a whole host of varieties which have memebers displaying pictures or they comment on something so its very easy to comment back or just strike up conversation and eventually progress onto msn one on one chatting and if you have the time and her also its amazing how well you can get to know someone with intensive chat, webcams skype for voice etc.
Through the girls I have met I pick up wide range of information about Brazil and Rio in general, I'm interested in latest nightclubs, happening places, restraunts, events, directions to them, and knowledgable information that generally only a carioca would know. So I've gained a lot of knowledge and vice versa I also share info, explain english translations etc etc.
On striking up the relationships in first place its amazing how helpful they can be by showing an interest and asking for help or advice, Cariocas are proud of their city and are only too keen to help and show off their knowledge of it, and their happy to know someone from the land far far away is so interested in Rio. So sharing knowledge on Rio is a great ice breaker. All these groups on Facebook are also useful for info and great for just randomly chatting up some garotas.
My last girl I hooked up with I hit on her on facebook simply as I noticed she had same birthday as me, sent her a pm with a witty comment about the days we were born and then deleloped into daily long chats, and really helped me out for instance mentioned I will need a sim card and as I was arriving early in morning and not meeting her until night time offered to drop of a sim card at my aparment block for my arrival she also offered to pick me up at airport but I already had a driver organised and it was 6am arrival but the offer was still there. However we didn't fully hit it off on the romantic levels she was a little too on the rich side for me, daddys little girl type and wanting me to meet her group of lawer friends etc on a night too nuth which I didn't fancy and the late cancellation on my part didn't go down well. Think it was the day time sessions in 4x4 But we had couple fun dates went to some nice restraunts I had been wanting to try Za Za Bisto for one and couple others in Leblon, she had a car (small mercades, going back to the daddys girl) so was good for a spin about and got to see some steets and different routes I wouldn't normally come into contact and a personal tour guide hehe.
My previous ex I met on similar circumstances through facebook and we had great times, she was also a teacher so was great she had a month off in January so I was there was a month same time, so had revellion all inclusive hotel (Rio international, really recommended for revellion) went some places, showed me around etc There was never any chat of hookers or sex industry the first sign you give away all your hard work and ground work youve done is over. On the rare occasions we slightly delved into the subject just showed my nievity on the subject as their naive as well to a degree, normal girls are rarely out in copacabana although there is a few clubs on the go now that are on copa like fairly new one Dolce Vitta I was surprised its RIGHT next door to balcony, went last time good smallish club lot of hot regular girls but quite a lot of 18-22yds I'm more hunting in the 22-29 brackett but good club none the less.
I was there on a sat night was 50R enterance with 50R drinks to spend so for me free to get in!
I guess my problem is living the double life of being a safado and being this nice genuine guy LOL being hooked on hookers and my mind being occupied by the earlier dupla session in a termas or something. This has been and I'm sure will be again my downfall for keeping hold of that special non-pro garota.
But the moral of the story there is plenty of decent chics around on these social networking site to meet and become friends with, to gain knowlege and help and advice and of course to fu#k!
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I keep forgetting, when you take a girl out a few times here in Brazil, it actually means something. After spending a few evenings with this girl, last nite she says she's tired and wants to go home after work. No problem, I go with plan b, another non-pro. Well, playing hard to get, or not interested is part of the big picture. Long story short, she takes the bus to see me in Laranjeiras in the rain, but I'm not home. Now she's mad at me. How about calling first. Now I'm kissing ass, something about the way she sits in the saddle.
ryjer
did you ever get a "tor****" from a girl? (it is not what it sounds like :)
did you ever get a "tor****" from a girl? (it is not what it sounds like :)
to me it sounds like an sms (text message on the mobil phone). :)
JohnnyBraz
05-17-09, 08:54
I keep forgetting, when you take a girl out a few times here in Brazil, it actually means something. After spending a few evenings with this girl, last nite she says she's tired and wants to go home after work. No problem, I go with plan b, another non-pro. Well, playing hard to get, or not interested is part of the big picture. Long story short, she takes the bus to see me in Laranjeiras in the rain, but I'm not home. Now she's mad at me. How about calling first. Now I'm kissing ass, something about the way she sits in the saddle.
ryjerShe's mad at you. So fuck. She expects you to stay in and have no life. I personally would have told her I am calling it a day with her for trying to be little me.
nope. "tor****" is a note written on a piece of paper. maybe less popular now, but it used to be quite popular in the 90's when there were not so many mobile phones around. say you sit in a restaurant or a bar with a group of friends. there is a group of girls sitting together at a table close to yours and one girl is eyeing you up. soon you can see her writting something on a piece of paper and asking the waiter to take the note to you. the note usually says something like: "we are going to such and such party later on. how about seeing you there? ". that is a tor****. nowdays you may get a phone number.
girls (and i am talking non-pros) use it when they like you but feel embaressed to talk to you directly because they are with their firends.
Exec Talent
05-17-09, 18:03
did you ever get a "tor****" from a girl? (it is not what it sounds like :)
sperto, as usual, is correct. it is the term in brazil for a text message. see -
http://www.claroideias.com.br/portal/site/cideias/menuitem.911ad3e0d51fd273e001451022dc10a0/?idlocal=50
at the bottom right you can send messages via the web. and now you can even send them collect (cobrar)!
http://www.claroideias.com.br/portal/site/cideias/menuitem.9be40375b01f32844514514b22dc10a0/&idlocal=50?viewid=destaque&codestaque=810
ok, ok, i was talking about analogue tor****s. :)
sperto, as usual, is correct. it is the term in brazil for a text message. see -
http://www.claroideias.com.br/portal/site/cideias/menuitem.911ad3e0d51fd273e001451022dc10a0/?idlocal=50
at the bottom right you can send messages via the web. and now you can even send them collect (cobrar)!
http://www.claroideias.com.br/portal/site/cideias/menuitem.9be40375b01f32844514514b22dc10a0/&idlocal=50?viewid=destaque&codestaque=810
She's mad at you. So fuck. She expects you to stay in and have no life. I personally would have told her I am calling it a day with her for trying to be little me.
It's probably something I'm missing. While she never committed to coming over, she was leaning that way. When I left the salon where she worked, she said she would call me, I think. I ended up having dinner with another girl, and couldn't get a signal in the place. I missed a few texts from her, and then I was snitched out about being with another girl after the fact.
It was a lesson learned, and I need to better practice my juggling act.
A lot of people will also understand 'mensagem' or just 'texto'.
If you're not funny about what people think of your polished Porto, I find it's good to have several alternatives available.
I've been chatting with a lovely little 26 year old morena who is a school teacher in Rio. She's sent me many pictures of her and her school. Seems quite pleasant, so I thought I would hook up with her for afew days when I'm there. But now she has asked if she can meet me at the airport, she wants to introduce me to her kids at school, her mum and show me around her neighborhood? Is this the norm for non-pro women?
I've only been chatting with her the last 2 weeks properly, just seems abit obsessive...lol
All of the Brazilian women I have dated wanted to meet me at the airport.
The main reason is that they care about you. They have the impression that is what a good wife should do. Especially in a country where roads,airports and taxis are not safe.
The other reason is jealousy. They want to check on you. They want to be sure that you are coming to see them, and no one else.
Meeting kids at her school, family and neighborhood is quite normal. This is a latin country! Go for it! It's the best wat to learn about other cultures. You will have a great time.
Regards B.B.
Is there any place in Rio where i can go horseback riding? a trail would be cool. thx
Is there any place in Rio where i can go horseback riding? a trail would be cool. thx
Yeah there's a few options. It would take me a long time to dig out the directions so I'm going to tell you how to find them instead. Go to the tourist info office on Princesa Isabel (near to Frank's Bar) and ask them for this one that they're familiar with. North of Rio, it's a centre where you can day visit or stay over a few days. It has horseback riding in the countryside and lots of other outdoor options. Very reasonably priced. They suggest getting a combination of buses and then a mini-van picks you up (though I seem to recall Pavuna looked closer on the map and might cut down some travel time.)
Another option, more expensive as it's all arranged for you gringo-friendly style, is from the travel agent on the same (Copa) side of Isabel, just before you get to the beach. They arrange trekking by horse in the area north of Rio, outside the city boundary. A mini van picks you up from your hotel. It's supposed to be a minimum of two, but they will try to hook you up with someone else if you're alone.
I was planning to go on the first option with an upmarket non-gdp I'd met, rendevousing there and juggling it while her husband was away. Planned all the getting-there stuff, which is not that straighforward but ok if you are comfy well into Zona Norte. I think I just got caught up in Carnaval and gdp stuff too much and eventually I went to Belem instead.
Poucolouco
05-20-09, 23:43
Is there any place in Rio where i can go horseback riding? a trail would be cool. thx
I suggest you talk to people at the saddlery close to Luomo. They may be able to refer you to an equestrian center close to Rio de Janeiro.
Selaria Queręncia Gaúcha Country Rio - Copacabana
+55 (21) 2548-7090
Rua Figueiredo Magalhães, 615 lj F, Rio de Janeiro, RJ
You can also Google: aluguel cavalos rj (or other states, e.g. mg, es, ce, sp)
JohnnyBraz
05-21-09, 00:14
Is there any place in Rio where i can go horseback riding? a trail would be cool. thxYeah, meia pataca has plenty off favela horses working there.
Mr Enternational
05-21-09, 09:19
I've been chatting with a lovely little 26 year old morena who is a school teacher in Rio. She's sent me many pictures of her and her school. Seems quite pleasant, so I thought I would hook up with her for afew days when I'm there. But now she has asked if she can meet me at the airport, she wants to introduce me to her kids at school, her mum and show me around her neighborhood? Is this the norm for non-pro women? I've only been chatting with her the last 2 weeks properly, just seems abit obsessive...lol
All of the Brazilian women I have dated wanted to meet me at the airport.
The main reason is that they care about you. They have the impression that is what a good wife should do. Especially in a country where roads,airports and taxis are not safe.
The other reason is jealousy. They want to check on you. They want to be sure that you are coming to see them, and no one else.
Meeting kids at her school, family and neighborhood is quite normal. This is a latin country! Go for it! It's the best wat to learn about other cultures. You will have a great time.
Regards B.B.
Besides, if the BLEEEEEP doesn't show up as will happen 9 times out of 10, then you will know her ways from the beginning and will not have wasted any serious time. Most international flights arrive early in the morning before anything else is going on, so if your 30 minutes to an hour is wasted waiting on her not to show up then you won't have missed out on anything else as you would have if the same thing happened during regular mongering hours.
Exec Talent
05-21-09, 12:31
Besides, if the BLEEEEEP doesn't show up as will happen 9 times out of 10, then you will know her ways from the beginning and will not have wasted any serious time.Some of you guys find it necessary to disparage Rio women every chance you get. Have you ever thought for one fleeting moment the problem is you? I have NEVER had a girl not show up at the airport nor want to see me off when I leave.
I have though had guys too cheap to pay for their own rides from the airport hit me up and ask my driver to take them to some shack in centro where they leeched a place to stay off their ugly "girlfriend." They never mention things like that when they post here and of course the girl (who loves being with them and never charges them a dime) is always beautiful.
Mr Enternational
05-21-09, 16:41
Some of you guys find it necessary to disparage Rio women every chance you get. Have you ever thought for one fleeting moment the problem is you? I have NEVER had a girl not show up at the airport nor want to see me off when I leave.
I have though had guys too cheap to pay for their own rides from the airport hit me up and ask my driver to take them to some shack in centro where they leeched a place to stay off their ugly "girlfriend." They never mention things like that when they post here and of course the girl (who loves being with them and never charges them a dime) is always beautiful.
Yeah I remember when that incident came up in the forum a couple of years ago. But I'm speaking specifically about an internet female that you have not met in person before. Someone who you are already friends with is a totally different ballgame.
Besides, if the BLEEEEEP doesn't show up as will happen 9 times out of 10, then you will know her ways from the beginning and will not have wasted any serious time. Most international flights arrive early in the morning before anything else is going on, so if your 30 minutes to an hour is wasted waiting on her not to show up then you won't have missed out on anything else as you would have if the same thing happened during regular mongering hours.
Additionally, the bus times not only vary (every half hour but can be anywhere within that half hour) and she may have to change. Some people go over the score andd get to an appointment like that hours early, but my own experience is that, although there's always exceptions, Brasilians do not expect themselves or other Brasilians to necessarily be on time. One girl was two and a half hours late visiting me at my apartment once. She managed to text once on the way when she had reception and credits, but it was thru no fault of her own and she was 100% when she arrived. Rainstorms put everything back, on top of normal travel delays. Another girl I was meeting to go to a party in North Zone, arrived two and a half hours late, not made up, just as I was leaving in a taxi with two friends. It was no problem - we just worked round it. Take it easy and always have a back-up plan - preferably one that doesn't involve demonizing a person whose circumstances are not fully known to you on that occasion. If you fall out with someone unnecessarily you might not be able to backtrack, so when there's nothing to lose it's more practical to ride the wave than start, 'if she does this, that measn that.' . . . When maybe it does. But maybe it doesn't!
In case anyone's forgotten, it's the Brasilian equivalent of Valentine's Day in less than 2wks (12th June). That should give everyone time to think up non-financial means of showing affection to your lovely lady . . .
Poucolouco
06-03-09, 00:43
In case anyone's forgotten, it's the Brasilian equivalent of Valentine's Day in less than 2wks (12th June). That should give everyone time to think up non-financial means of showing affection to your lovely lady . . .
Good idea, Christopherd. Here are two options:
http://www.flowerland.com.br (they accept Visa, MC, Amex)
http://cartoes.uol.com.br/ Send her a card - FREE!
Good idea, Christopherd. Here are two options:
http://www.flowerland.com.br (they accept Visa, MC, Amex)
http://cartoes.uol.com.br/ Send her a card - FREE!
I was thinking more along the lines of a postage stamp, maybe with a handwritten poem or something . . .
I was thinking more along the lines of a postage stamp, maybe with a handwritten poem or something . . .
If anybody here can write a nice romantic poem in portugese can you please post it here so we can all copy it!
An easier option is to post a link to a romantic song on her Orkut, Ana Carolinas singing "isso ai" or Jota Quests " So hoje" are good bets.
If anybody here can write a nice romantic poem in portugese can you please post it here so we can all copy it!
An easier option is to post a link to a romantic song on her Orkut, Ana Carolinas singing "isso ai" or Jota Quests " So hoje" are good bets.
I've tried copying ordinary poems before and don't recommend it unless you're sure. Questioning her big smile, she told me, "Your Portuguese is good, but not that good!" Lines from songs (nice suggestion, Abzsafado) and greeting cards sound cool though I will always in future modify them enough to make them believable. I'm rifling through some classic poetry just now though - one can be forgiven for copying great art - I've got a couple of those poetry books printed in simultaneous translation.
Exec Talent
06-04-09, 15:54
Good idea, Christopherd. Here are two options:
http://www.flowerland.com.br (they accept Visa, MC, Amex)
http://cartoes.uol.com.br/ Send her a card - FREE!
I have ordered online from this florist for years. They always do a great job.
http://cameliaflores.com.br/loja-/
I've met alot of pros that are going to professional schools in fields such as medicine, law, dental, business, etc. So it seems to me that there's a chance that a successful beautiful girl might once been a pro.? What happens if you find out she was once a pro?
I might be in that situation myself.
Can't change the past. Accept her for who she is and hope that door won't open again. God knows I have alot in my closet yet I closed the door and tossed the key, so if your like US Customs who keeps stopping me due to my past, hey keep looking because I'm not going back.
Carlos Primeros
06-05-09, 21:28
Hi to all,
I have now over the last 6 years a very good friend of mine in Rio. She had graduated as a MD/Dentist and has now her own office in Niteroi. She was working on the side during her time at the university as a semi-pro. We met 8 years ago at Posto 5 the first time and during my regular visits to Rio we fell in love. We met occasionally and then more and more regularly and one day she declared that she is quitting her old life and gets "respectable". I respected here anyhow and treated here like a GF and she gave me the GFE.
She first worked as an dentist in a clinic for 3 years and then opened her own office in Niteroi. When I am in Rio and when I do not monger, then I stay at her place and we are like on old couple, going out, enjoying ourselves. We really live together, share out thoughts, I have usually all my stuff at her place and I stay in her appartment when I am in Rio. I can imagine staying with her for ever. For her her past is over. I still monger but by far not as much as I did 20 or 10 years ago. As all south-american women she is very possesive and would cut my balls off if she catches me mongering. But simply do not get cought. In Brasil every man with money mongers but avoids to be cought. I simply do the same. She knows that I do it but what the heck!
I simply recommend that time will show if she is worthwhile. Stay with her and forget the past (of her) and continue to do you part of mongering.
Carlos
Hi to all,
I simply recommend that time will show if she is worthwhile. Stay with her and forget the past (of her) and continue to do you part of mongering.
CarlosGood to hear that at least someone made a good life out of a bad situation. You are going to hear good and bad feed back on the situation at hand, but ultimately you are the one that has to live with the decision of making a life with her. My opinion, if you do not mind me giving one, is to forget what she did in the past. Think for a minute, that part of her life kind of brought you and her together and she took a negative part of her life and made it into a positive and that in my humble opinion means a lot more to me than what she did as a GDP. Good luck in what ever decision you make.
There is no such a thing as a ex-pro.
What is wrong with you guys? Once a ho always a ho.
Well if you want to spend rest of your life wondering.....
There is SO MANY women in Brasil who wouldn't sell ass for any reason.....
Here is the deal, ho's are for a fuck. Normal women... for relationships...
Just my 2 centavos (again).
Carlos Primeros
06-07-09, 07:04
Hi Perkele,
In 98 % of the cases you are right. There are 10.000 women alone at Copa selling their ass. This works only when you really find the needle in the haystack. My GF is making as a dentist approx. 150.000 R$/year - more than the best therma-girl would ever make. So why sell her ass???? She simply has enoguh money.
90% of the girls sell their ass for money. The absolute majority is un-educated and I agree with your that once they work as a GdP they see this as their way out of misery. A lot of easyly earned money. The small educated proportion of these girls, also quite often from good families, see this work only as a temporary time to get over some mishaps and they prefer to get back into "normal" life. That happened to my GF.
That at the other hand does not stop me from continueing to monger, as long as it will last (LOL). Everybody of us is getting older and to have a lasting relastionship is a nice thing as well. When I was a young stag it was the adventure of weaking up every morning with another woman in bed but priorities change in life.
Carlos
Hi Perkele,
In 98 % of the cases you are right. There are 10.000 women alone at Copa selling their ass. This works only when you really find the needle in the haystack. My GF is making as a dentist approx. 150.000 R$/year - more than the best therma-girl would ever make. So why sell her ass???? She simply has enoguh money.
90% of the girls sell their ass for money. The absolute majority is un-educated and I agree with your that once they work as a GdP they see this as their way out of misery. A lot of easyly earned money. The small educated proportion of these girls, also quite often from good families, see this work only as a temporary time to get over some mishaps and they prefer to get back into "normal" life. That happened to my GF.
That at the other hand does not stop me from continueing to monger, as long as it will last (LOL). Everybody of us is getting older and to have a lasting relastionship is a nice thing as well. When I was a young stag it was the adventure of weaking up every morning with another woman in bed but priorities change in life.
Carlos
Carlos.
I'm happy for you, but WHY settle for a prostitute as a girlfriend when one can find women who never event thought of selling ass?
I have nothing against ho's, but a ho doesn't make a good wife. That is a well known fact.
I'm sure that great majority won't agree with me, but in my books there are no such things as SEMIpro or part time ho's or onetimers. For me if a woman SELLS ass even once, she is a prostitute. Why you may ask and I will respond.
As we all know that relationships has its ups and downs. All relationships are great when everything is fine etc. BUT when the downs come and believe me they will come a normal woman will fight with you and curse and so on, but that's it. A HO will do all the above and on top of that she has the CAPABILITY to SELL her ass. This is significant difference. A ho (or ex ho as many of you may like to call some of them) can even justify an affair to herself (and even to you) by CHARGING money from the guy she's fucking. You know the drill, she asks money for some crap you don't find necessary, she really wants it and since you do not provide, she'll sell her ass. Problem solved.
May I remind that I do not judge ho's, I find them very useful. But they do not make good girlfriends/wives.
P
Exec Talent
06-07-09, 13:27
May I remind that I do not judge ho's, I find them very useful. But they do not make good girlfriends/wives.
P
Over the years this topic comes up repeatedly. I wonder what guys (fortunately, I am not one of them) who have had loveless, sexless marriages and ended up giving half their assets to a "good wife" think.
Many women who are prostitutes see what they do as the only means they have of ever obtaining economic freedom and not having to be dependent on a man. They have witnessed their father abandon their mother, same with their sisters husbands, same with their friends. They themselves may have been promised the world by a gringo only to find out he is married in his home country.
If you grew up wealthy in a country which provides women economic opportunities, it might be difficult to understand how someone could sell their bodies for money. However, if you grew up poor, you might be a little more empathetic. Candidly, I have a lot more respect for GDPs in Rio than I do for lawyers, company milking executives and Wall Streets greedy market manipulators.
I know of ho's that fit the archetype described by Perkele only too well, but I also personally know girls from a poor area who have made (and still are) good and faithful wives after some programma work to get themselves set up before getting married.
There is no such a thing as a ex-pro.
What is wrong with you guys? Once a ho always a ho.
Well if you want to spend rest of your life wondering.....
There is SO MANY women in Brasil who wouldn't sell ass for any reason.....
Here is the deal, ho's are for a fuck. Normal women... for relationships...
Just my 2 centavos (again).C'mon guys, you pay for it no matter if she's hookin or marries you, so stop kidding yourselves! Are you getting what you paid for? Now that is a good question for all men of the world!
JohnnyBraz
06-07-09, 19:58
I know of ho's that fit the archetype described by Perkele only too well, but I also personally know girls from a poor area who have made (and still are) good and faithful wives after some programma work to get themselves set up before getting married.Ho's are just very good actors. The copa girls aim is to get as many dumb gringoes who send them as much money as possible. 4 dumb gringoes 1000r per week each. 4000r per week income. Them girls will go to help weekends to find more dumb suckers. That is all they know. You would be suprised at how many off them have a child by a american or european, got an apartment bought for them by the kids dad, there parents look after there kid and they are working help. They all claim they are studying at uni. I would say that one in 3 *****s at help are recieving over 1000r per week in alimony from some sucker.
Carlos.
I'm happy for you, but WHY settle for a prostitute as a girlfriend when one can find women who never event thought of selling ass?
I have nothing against ho's, but a ho doesn't make a good wife. That is a well known fact.
I'm sure that great majority won't agree with me, but in my books there are no such things as SEMIpro or part time ho's or onetimers. For me if a woman SELLS ass even once, she is a prostitute. Why you may ask and I will respond.
As we all know that relationships has its ups and downs. All relationships are great when everything is fine etc. BUT when the downs come and believe me they will come a normal woman will fight with you and curse and so on, but that's it. A HO will do all the above and on top of that she has the CAPABILITY to SELL her ass. This is significant difference. A ho (or ex ho as many of you may like to call some of them) can even justify an affair to herself (and even to you) by CHARGING money from the guy she's fucking. You know the drill, she asks money for some crap you don't find necessary, she really wants it and since you do not provide, she'll sell her ass. Problem solved.
May I remind that I do not judge ho's, I find them very useful. But they do not make good girlfriends/wives.
P
Perkele:
Agree with you 1,000%. Thanks for saving me the time to type.
This is the heart of the matter why hoes will never make good house wives: they know that there back-up plan is usually as good as option one. Therefore, they are less inclined to work things out.
Mr Enternational
06-07-09, 21:58
Candidly, I have a lot more respect for GDPs in Rio than I do for lawyers, company milking executives and Wall Streets greedy market manipulators.
Hey watch it. My girlfriend in Brazil is a lawyer. And at R1200/month I'm sure she makes much less than the GDPs you have so much respect for.
But I mean ethically/logically you wouldn't go to the local ho spot in your town, fuck some chick, give her money, make friends with her then want to marry her. Obviously this theory isn't carrying over into doing the same thing in other venues/locals/countries. It seems guys are getting caught up in the Pretty Woman syndrome when they venture away from their home turf.
Then too, you can look at is as the pot calling the kettle black. Hey I'm fucking all of these chicks. Should I really hold it against her if she fucks a lot of guys?
Different strokes for different folks? I gotta go with JohnnyBraz on this one though. The GFE through acting skills is what I think gets guys caught up in this. Without a GFE it is just sex. And I don't think many mongers would consider a relationship with a chick after hello, fuck, goodbye. Many places don't offer the GFE that Rio does. That is one thing that keeps us coming back.
As for me, I ALWAYS look at a woman's education as one of the first things to consider when I am choosing a mate. I have a master's degree. I wouldn't even think about having a girlfriend or wife who dropped out of school when she was 12 years old period.
Exec Talent
06-07-09, 22:13
Perkele:
Agree with you 1,000%. Thanks for saving me the time to type.
This is the heart of the matter why hoes will never make good house wives: they know that there back-up plan is usually as good as option one. Therefore, they are less inclined to work things out.
A backup plan of financial self-sufficiency is not such a bad idea. Maybe it would be better if she was just kept barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.
On the other hand the same could be said about us. Do you honestly think that any of us would not either monger on the side or revert to this when the going gets tough in the relationship. This is like the pot calling the kettle black. A majority of us are jaded as far as relationships are concerned and would not make a good mate anymore than these ho's.
Not that I'm defending these women just pointing out the other side of the coin. Hell if you can get past the turning a ho into a housewife bit and except her for what she is and vice versa it might be a match made in heaven, LOL!!!!!!!
Hey watch it. My girlfriend in Brazil is a lawyer. And at R1200/month I'm sure she makes much less than the GDPs you have so much respect for.
But I mean ethically/logically you wouldn't go to the local ho spot in your town, fuck some chick, give her money, make friends with her then want to marry her. Obviously this theory isn't carrying over into doing the same thing in other venues/locals/countries. It seems guys are getting caught up in the Pretty Woman syndrome when they venture away from their home turf.
Then too, you can look at is as the pot calling the kettle black. Hey I'm fucking all of these chicks. Should I really hold it against her if she fucks a lot of guys?
Different strokes for different folks? I gotta go with JohnnyBraz on this one though. The GFE through acting skills is what I think gets guys caught up in this. Without a GFE it is just sex. And I don't think many mongers would consider a relationship with a chick after hello, fuck, goodbye. Many places don't offer the GFE that Rio does. That is one thing that keeps us coming back.
As for me, I ALWAYS look at a woman's education as one of the first things to consider when I am choosing a mate. I have a master's degree. I wouldn't even think about having a girlfriend or wife who dropped out of school when she was 12 years old period.
Mr. E are we in help/ terma looking for a mate? Some of us are coming from sex prison and are happy at the first girl who swallows the load, cooks, cleans and has sex with us all night. They get caught up in the whole GFE thing. In a mate I would have to agree with you that is why we are to go out and meet nice women and get to know them by watching their actions and family, and friends. Ask about job status, education, children, and marital status. Most hos are friends with other hos
A lot of women can keep the past behind them. It would surprise us by how many were stripers or hookers in the past. Once a ho always a ho.
I would have to agree that you can not make a hoe into a housewife. Is it possible that one can stop? Yes for a period of time or until they have a need, be it financial, emotional or they have that special friend I have been with plenty of women in the US and around the world that claims that they are only doing this temporary. Some do it because they enjoy sex. I know of some doctors, lawyers, policewomen and housewives that are either former working girls or just plain sluts. I always ask this question of people who say that their girl is cheating on them, when she cheated with them when she was married before. I my self do not do the marriage thing because how can I fault wanting variety in my life. I agree I can not fault a women who sleeps with plenty of men when I have had plenty of women.
This is not just working girls that are hoes plenty of college girls sleep with their professors or others to make the grade. How many women out there have plenty of skeletons in the closet? The blow job during spring break, or to get out of a ticket or when they needed some bills paid and had a sugar daddy (He says you can have what ever u like) This is a world wide thing. Look at Hilary Clinton?? Bill banged everything in sight and she stayed around for her payday.. It seems to me we all want to come to Rio, or Thailand or other country and save the little women from her life of misery because she told us how bad it is back home. It is true that it is bad back home when you are getting a payday from the European or gringo and you have a husband back home. Lets be wise ride the ride and move on.. I always take this motto If she wants to go it is just one less meal I have to pay for and remember that at the stroke of midnight some pretty women just turned 18.
Just my 2 cevantos
Mr. E are we in help/ terma looking for a mate? Some of us are coming from sex prison and are happy at the first girl who swallows the load, cooks, cleans and has sex with us all night. They get caught up in the whole GFE thing. In a mate I would have to agree with you that is why we are to go out and meet nice women and get to know them by watching their actions and family, and friends. Ask about job status, education, children, and marital status. Most hos are friends with other hos
A lot of women can keep the past behind them. It would surprise us by how many were stripers or hookers in the past. Once a ho always a ho.
I would have to agree that you can not make a hoe into a housewife. Is it possible that one can stop? Yes for a period of time or until they have a need, be it financial, emotional or they have that special friend I have been with plenty of women in the US and around the world that claims that they are only doing this temporary. Some do it because they enjoy sex. I know of some doctors, lawyers, policewomen and housewives that are either former working girls or just plain sluts. I always ask this question of people who say that their girl is cheating on them, when she cheated with them when she was married before. I my self do not do the marriage thing because how can I fault wanting variety in my life. I agree I can not fault a women who sleeps with plenty of men when I have had plenty of women.
This is not just working girls that are hoes plenty of college girls sleep with their professors or others to make the grade. How many women out there have plenty of skeletons in the closet? The blow job during spring break, or to get out of a ticket or when they needed some bills paid and had a sugar daddy (He says you can have what ever u like) This is a world wide thing. Look at Hilary Clinton?? Bill banged everything in sight and she stayed around for her payday.. It seems to me we all want to come to Rio, or Thailand or other country and save the little women from her life of misery because she told us how bad it is back home. It is true that it is bad back home when you are getting a payday from the European or gringo and you have a husband back home. Lets be wise ride the ride and move on.. I always take this motto If she wants to go it is just one less meal I have to pay for and remember that at the stroke of midnight some pretty women just turned 18.
Just my 2 cevantosThank you for posting this I hope those reading understood what was written.
I think this is going off topic.
My situation is meeting a woman who might have been a pro in the past.
What do you do to find out and if she is what to do then?
Ho's are just very good actors. The copa girls aim is to get as many dumb gringoes who send them as much money as possible. 4 dumb gringoes 1000r per week each. 4000r per week income. Them girls will go to help weekends to find more dumb suckers. That is all they know. You would be suprised at how many off them have a child by a american or european, got an apartment bought for them by the kids dad, there parents look after there kid and they are working help. They all claim they are studying at uni. I would say that one in 3 *****s at help are recieving over 1000r per week in alimony from some sucker.
This does get done to death every so often, as regular visitors know. I'm just trying to introduce balance. The standard view espoused here by Johnny Braz and Perkele is the THE best advice for anyone that isn't very long in the tooth and exceedingly familiar with Brazil ways from many visits. But the view espoused by ET is not complete bullsh*t either - just that it is not relevant for most people.
Yes, ho's are actors. One ex-working girl I know well uses the acting skills to cope with the occasionally moronic and inconsiderate behaviour of her otherwise ideal husband (who doesn't know her past). They have been very happily married for several years, have several kids, and she is living the life she always wanted. There is no way she would be tempted to have an affair much less get extra income on the side - I know her well enough to know this better than anyone else that knows her probably. Another girl I sessioned with a few years back in Copa is now happily married in Europe and we keep in touch from time to time. She also has the life that she dreamt of. Her past is like a past life, not just something she did earlier in this one. Do most mongers carry on mongering when they get a relationship? Probably most do. But not all. The same with working women from Brazil. As someone else pointed, they are not lifestyle-inducted the way a U.S. ho would be. Usually when they move abroad they move mentality. Having said all this, let me repeat the warnings - it is exceedingly dangerous to assume your girl is 'special.' The only way you get a permanent relationship without her straying is to leave no room for error. Brazilian girls' acting skills (ho's and non-ho's) are second to *none.* If you think you can see thru them you are probably kidding yourself. There again, women of good intelligence (with or without good education) have sometimes learnt a lot from their working experiences in how to relate, how to handle human nature, how to keep their sanity in the face of normal relationship tensions. One of the shocks for me has been that not all mongers are the same. And not all ho's are the same. But it is best to assume they are until you have cast-iron knowledge that they're not!
You might also ask, if it is the pre- full-on-relationship phase, why you should care?? I had a girl who was an awful performer as a ho. She was keen to enter a relationship and made a point of insisting she pay her way. She was also upfront about working when she needed the cash. She turned out to be great in bed when she wasn't working. Why on earth should I feel jealous of the guys who paid for a lousy deal?
So the views expressed recently don't need to be read as opposite. Just don't assume the chef is giving you the best steak when you really don't have any way of knowing the difference. And to assume a girl does not carry on working when you leave her alone in Brazil is not even wishful thinking IMO - it is an indication of a deluded mind.
I think this is going off topic.
My situation is meeting a woman who might have been a pro in the past.
What do you do to find out and if she is what to do then?
You do nothing. You think, "How would you want to be treated?". Do you want her snooping around in your past, going through all your dirty little secrets? The womans past is what made her the woman that she is today, if you like the woman forget her past. If you think she is running some sort of game on you then get to fuck out of the relationship. You don't need proof, its not a court of law, if you feel uneasy walk away.
Not all hookers are bad people, they may rip people off but so do bankers, lawyers, accountants, bar men, dealers and taxi drivers to name but a few. Its not their fault the world is full of mugs.
The golden rule of life is every game has a fool, if you look around the game you are playing and can't see the fool then it's probably you. Get the fuck out of the game while you still can.
What's the law with alimony or child support in Brasil? I was told by a local that you have to pay the girl 30% of your income if you knock her up and she proves you're the father in court.
Black Snake
06-10-09, 01:37
What's the law with alimony or child support in Brasil? I was told by a local that you have to pay the girl 30% of your income if you knock her up and she proves you're the father in court.What was told in the past child support is about R400 or R450 per month but judge can go with a higher rate but this was around 2004.
Exec Talent
06-10-09, 13:26
What's the law with alimony or child support in Brasil? I was told by a local that you have to pay the girl 30% of your income if you knock her up and she proves you're the father in court.
you can't afford it. Keep it covered.
Gentleman Travel
06-10-09, 14:40
The golden rule of life is every game has a fool, if you look around the game you are playing and can't see the fool then it's probably you. Get the fuck out of the game while you still can.
worth repeating
Carlos Primeros
06-10-09, 20:53
Child support depends on your income.
In Brazilian courts they use a table. Depending on your income you can be sentenced to pay up to 30 % of your income or MAXIMUM 600 BR$ which is more or less 2 salarios minimos. It boils down to 300 USD if you make after taxes, inurances and other liabilites more than 1000 USD. I assume that every monger going to Brazil makes more money. But again: if you are the father of a child you have the obligation to take care of it. Period.
These are my 3 cents worth.
Carlos Primeros. King of Portugal
I am starting to get alot jealous of the female brazilian lifestyle. Apparently many terma workers come and go as they please work for a while and stop then start up again. Thru conversations with these employees I get a little insight of the lifestyle, the more I conversate the more I am amazed at how they can lounge around all day and night if they so choose and seem to have no care about reporting to work. How in the world is this possible, how do they do it, seriously. Because I need to apply this to myself, this 9-5 is gettin a tad dry.
Child support depends on your income.
In Brazilian courts they use a table. Depending on your income you can be sentenced to pay up to 30 % of your income or MAXIMUM 600 BR$ which is more or less 2 salarios minimos. It boils down to 300 USD if you make after taxes, inurances and other liabilites more than 1000 USD. I assume that every monger going to Brazil makes more money. But again: if you are the father of a child you have the obligation to take care of it. Period.
These are my 3 cents worth.
Carlos Primeros. King of Portugal$300usd a week or month?
I am starting to get alot jealous of the female brazilian lifestyle. Apparently many terma workers come and go as they please work for a while and stop then start up again. Thru conversations with these employees I get a little insight of the lifestyle, the more I conversate the more I am amazed at how they can lounge around all day and night if they so choose and seem to have no care about reporting to work. How in the world is this possible, how do they do it, seriously. Because I need to apply this to myself, this 9-5 is gettin a tad dry.Depends on the place. I know a club in Sao Paulo requires the girls to be there 5 days a week or they have to pay 100R. But they don't care if they're bringing in 3000R a week.
Poucolouco
06-14-09, 02:46
This Brasiliera was just featured on AMW. Ohio cops are searching for Claudia Hoerig, a woman who they say killed her husband Karl on March 12, 2007 in Newton Falls, Ohio. She is believed to be back in Brasil, possibly Rio de Janeiro.
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=44618
Fast Eddie 48
06-19-09, 21:26
$300usd a week or month? Hobbying,
I am pretty sure is a month 300 usd a week that is too high even in the US.
Fast Eddie 48
I think this is going off topic.
My situation is meeting a woman who might have been a pro in the past.
What do you do to find out and if she is what to do then?
My advice is : maybe you shouldn't worry this much. Here is my story.
I have been enjoying the services of a very nice girl in Sao Paulo for several years. Now that she is getting older (although still stunningly beautiful and classy), she wants to live another life, have a husband, children etc.
She is planning it carefully. She is going to move to another town, take a regular job ...and cut-off all contacts from her former life. When I told her that I would like to keep in touch with her, even as just as a normal friend, she steadfastly refused. She told me it's because Brazilian husbands are so jealous that it is impossible for a female to keep a male friend. She wants to take no chance.
I think that her future husband will be very happy indeed. She will certainly not cheat on him, and he will enjoy a wife with exceptional sexual skills.
Who should care about her past life?
Regards. B.B.
Member #3439
06-28-09, 03:39
C'mon guys, you pay for it no matter if she's hookin or marries you, so stop kidding yourselves! Are you getting what you paid for? Now that is a good question for all men of the world!Well put. A lot of my mid-twenties colleagues are getting to the point in their lives where they are burnt out on the bar scene and think they are in *love!!*. They find girls that are similarly burnt out, have the same sob stories as them and are just as ready to stop working the scene...hence the commonality and *love*. In fact, it's clear that they've all just gotten tired of working so hard at it, and paying so much in time and money, marriage looks like an easy out.
What they don't realize is the old adage you alluded to, that pussy is never free and marriage is the most expensive way to buy it. The price of a GdP per week is a pittance compared with the overhead cost of a marriage or even just a true GFE...and let's not even try to describe the drama that would be missed.
I hold that P4P was made highly illegal in some countries like the US because easy pussy delays marriage, and married people are more stable and easier to govern. I'm surprised that Brazilian men ever get married, given the supply of easy pussy. Maybe it's a social requirement of the church? I can't think of any other reason.
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What they don't realize is the old adage you alluded to, that pussy is never free and marriage is the most expensive way to buy it. The price of a GdP per week is a pittance compared with the overhead cost of a marriage or even just a true GFE...
The greatest cost for me wasn't actual outlay. My wife earned as much me.
And for the first four years, I had absolutely no desire to fuck anyone else. Indeed, she still turns me on, late into her fifties and ten years after I divorced her.
Apart from our issues, one of which was her being ten years older, as she lost the biological incentive to fertilize her eggs, she naturally lost interest in sex.
And as a practical matter, you can bet that happens to them all.
If I was advising a young man thinking of marriage, I'd ask him to take a hard look at his sexual impulses and ask himself if his is the sort of character that can go without sex?
Mine wasn't. I know that sounds shallow, but, for me, there really isn't anything in life better than good sex.
So going without good sex was not a price I was willing to pay.
Hey guys! Just came back after 5 weeks in Brazil (1 week in Rio and 4 in Sao Paulo Interior). As usual it was great.
Spent quite a bit of time with a new GF :) and discovered one interesting thing I wasn't aware of before - spanking (bater). My new girl certainly does like it. I wouldn't do it if she didn't ask for it and when I did, it made her ectstatic. Apparently, this is quite popular in Brazil and many Brazilian girls like to receive a bit (or more) of spanking while having sex.
Any further info on that? Sperto? :)
Orgasm Donor
07-08-09, 20:17
Hey guys! Just came back after 5 weeks in Brazil (1 week in Rio and 4 in Sao Paulo Interior). As usual it was great.
Spent quite a bit of time with a new GF :) and discovered one interesting thing I wasn't aware of before - spanking (bater). My new girl certainly does like it. I wouldn't do it if she didn't ask for it and when I did, it made her ectstatic. Apparently, this is quite popular in Brazil and many Brazilian girls like to receive a bit (or more) of spanking while having sex.
Any further info on that? Sperto? :)
In a country that puts so much emphasis on the visual appeal of the bundha, you can naturally assume a brasiliera enjoys any attention you are giving to her assets. nao e?
O.D.
I'm surprised that Brazilian men ever get married, given the supply of easy pussy. Maybe it's a social requirement of the church? I can't think of any other reason.
Well there is a little something called companionship that is also nice...marriage isnt all about the fucking.
appeal of the bundha.
Buddha never appealed me, but bunda did. ;)
She left the business. Now in no way do I believe my game is that strong, they have waaaaaaayy more practice in gaming, even suprised me with a tattoo. Yet sent some friends to verify at her office and it appears to be true, just to be safe checked the other offices also. Nope definitely not putting the guards down, but for the moment I will bask in glory. Well until ya guys shoot me down. LOL
Well there is a little something called companionship that is also nice...marriage isnt all about the fucking.Yes, Jon. Companionship does not require marriage, a legally binding contract. If you are happily married, congrats. Then why are you here? ;)
Not trying to start a fight here, friend, just saying that ALL, every one of my married friends over ten years together are bored or unhappy or both (or divorced w/alimony and child support payments). Huge price for companionship. Cheaper to go to TJ, Asia, Colombia and Brazil (and more fun)!
If I marry I'll wait til I'm retired mid-60s (15 years from now) and get a delightful English-speaking Asian or Latina RN, one-third my age, with GREAT BIG TITS, stay in their country and do my best to honor the commitment and enjoy the companionship. Well, that's the plan! In the meantime...here's to multiple companions and fucking as many beauties as I possibly can!
....just saying that ALL, every one of my married friends over ten years together are bored or unhappy or both (or divorced w/alimony and child support payments)....
Hey D Cups, do we live in the same city or at least in the same country ? Cause ALL my friends too are in the same situation !
The best one, really my Hero, was one married with same girl and faithful for 16 years, but...he got divorced last year LOL and now is more monger than me even if with a 9 yo son, he has not much money to enjoy our hobby as I do or as he would like :)
P.S. and now I am his Hero LOL
Chocha Monger
07-22-09, 23:04
Yes, Jon. Companionship does not require marriage, a legally binding contract. If you are happily married, congrats. Then why are you here? ;)
Not trying to start a fight here, friend, just saying that ALL, every one of my married friends over ten years together are bored or unhappy or both (or divorced w/alimony and child support payments). Huge price for companionship. Cheaper to go to TJ, Asia, Colombia and Brazil (and more fun)!
If I marry I'll wait til I'm retired mid-60s (15 years from now) and get a delightful English-speaking Asian or Latina RN, one-third my age, with GREAT BIG TITS, stay in their country and do my best to honor the commitment and enjoy the companionship. Well, that's the plan! In the meantime...here's to multiple companions and fucking as many beauties as I possibly can!
Fuck companionship and pass the pussy!
Definitely the wrong site for me to be posting reasons for marriage...
But anyway, I'm sure almost all of us have banged a ton of girls, I have more then all of my friends combined. Not only pro's but a lot of non-pro's as well, good shape, good looking single early 30's is great.(not bragging, but just want to say I am not someone who has had sex with only a handful of girls and am here preaching about marriage).
But I do want to say that what I mean is that there are some pluses to marriage. It's not all terrible. And I think the biggest plus is to have that companionship with someone. There's a lot of lonely people. But to say someone is insane for getting married, I just think is a little far fetched.
Yes, Jon. Companionship does not require marriage, a legally binding contract. If you are happily married, congrats. Then why are you here? ;)
Not trying to start a fight here, friend, just saying that ALL, every one of my married friends over ten years together are bored or unhappy or both (or divorced w/alimony and child support payments). Huge price for companionship. Cheaper to go to TJ, Asia, Colombia and Brazil (and more fun)!
If I marry I'll wait til I'm retired mid-60s (15 years from now) and get a delightful English-speaking Asian or Latina RN, one-third my age, with GREAT BIG TITS, stay in their country and do my best to honor the commitment and enjoy the companionship. Well, that's the plan! In the meantime...here's to multiple companions and fucking as many beauties as I possibly can!I don't know about Jon, but I personally love my wife very much. Wouldn't trade her for the world. Also, she's helping me raise a beautiful kid (just kidding: it's me who's helping her). The problem is: I just don't like fucking her. That's why I AM HERE.
As to marrying a Latina one-third your age AND English-speaking, I would think it's a recipe for disaster, unless you have absolutely no material wealth or don't mind sleeping with one eye open. Fucking them is much safer, methink:)
I don't know about Jon, but I personally love my wife very much. Wouldn't trade her for the world. Also, she's helping me raise a beautiful kid (just kidding: it's me who's helping her). The problem is: I just don't like fucking her. That's why I AM HERE.
As to marrying a Latina one-third your age AND English-speaking, I would think it's a recipe for disaster, unless you have absolutely no material wealth or don't mind sleeping with one eye open. Fucking them is much safer, methink:)Your wife cool with your mongering? She even know about it? If not, it gives lots of credibility to some of the comments being made here about marriage. Great physical attraction and sex between partners - married or unmarried - is IMO one of the great keys to a happy partnership/marriage. Otherwise, you can simply be friends. And you don't think you are hurting your wife by not being physically attracted to her? I certainly can see if the partner has an illness preventing them from satisfying the other partner.
I am neutral about the whole marriage thing. I tried it once - and it was not for me. I have no worries about getting old alone. (By the way, women far outlive men - and there are more of them to begin with - so there can be plenty of companionship if I choose that later in life.) I have many married friends, some happy, some miserable - but most have kind of settled into their married lives. They love their kids, homes, they don't seem to display a great deal of love towards each other. But we get together 2 to 4 times a year, they all seem to really just want to get drunk and talk about the glory days. It is my goal to always be living in my Glory Days. I have one life and I am going to have great experiences. And when I share those experiences with my friends they all seem jealous and sad. Makes me not want to discuss my experiences. I think one of the main points that this whole thread starting with was that marriage/divorce is much more expensive than mongering.
IMO, If you are just fucking the ladies of Rio without getting to enjoy some of their company, culture and good times - you are missing half the experience. Don't get me wrong - I love the thrill of being with different women, experiencing the newness that comes with how different women kiss and fuck, throw in occassional duplas. But the Brazilian people have great passion and a great way about them. Most Americans are frantic, stressed (now more than ever) and just rude and all about possessions (which really comes out in most divorces.) You better believe that a major shift is underway. The U.S. is in for a prolonged period of tough times - which will make these already miserable Americans even more miserable. Most of our younger generation are lazy and have no survival and hustle instincts. I sense that many Americans feel it is our right to be prosperous and a world leader. Well, we got fucked and the way of live here has changed forever. This is all fine by me because I always felt like an outsider anyway. I lived by what I needed, not want I wanted to keep up with my neighbors and friends. As a result, I am always able to move to where the opportunities are. And Brazil is starting to soar. I am fortunate that I will be spending a good deal of time down there. Couldn't do this if I was married.
Your wife cool with your mongering? She even know about it? If not, it gives lots of credibility to some of the comments being made here about marriage. Great physical attraction and sex between partners - married or unmarried - is IMO one of the great keys to a happy partnership/marriage. Otherwise, you can simply be friends. And you don't think you are hurting your wife by not being physically attracted to her? I certainly can see if the partner has an illness preventing them from satisfying the other partner.
I am neutral about the whole marriage thing. I tried it once - and it was not for me. I have no worries about getting old alone. (By the way, women far outlive men - and there are more of them to begin with - so there can be plenty of companionship if I choose that later in life.) I have many married friends, some happy, some miserable - but most have kind of settled into their married lives. They love their kids, homes, they don't seem to display a great deal of love towards each other. But we get together 2 to 4 times a year, they all seem to really just want to get drunk and talk about the glory days. It is my goal to always be living in my Glory Days. I have one life and I am going to have great experiences. And when I share those experiences with my friends they all seem jealous and sad. Makes me not want to discuss my experiences. I think one of the main points that this whole thread starting with was that marriage/divorce is much more expensive than mongering.
IMO, If you are just fucking the ladies of Rio without getting to enjoy some of their company, culture and good times - you are missing half the experience. Don't get me wrong - I love the thrill of being with different women, experiencing the newness that comes with how different women kiss and fuck, throw in occassional duplas. But the Brazilian people have great passion and a great way about them. Most Americans are frantic, stressed (now more than ever) and just rude and all about possessions (which really comes out in most divorces.) You better believe that a major shift is underway. The U.S. is in for a prolonged period of tough times - which will make these already miserable Americans even more miserable. Most of our younger generation are lazy and have no survival and hustle instincts. I sense that many Americans feel it is our right to be prosperous and a world leader. Well, we got fucked and the way of live here has changed forever. This is all fine by me because I always felt like an outsider anyway. I lived by what I needed, not want I wanted to keep up with my neighbors and friends. As a result, I am always able to move to where the opportunities are. And Brazil is starting to soar. I am fortunate that I will be spending a good deal of time down there. Couldn't do this if I was married.
+1
Great post, agree 500% with everything. From marriage, to my friends lives, to how they feel about me, to how i feel about america, and why I don't live there.
Awesome.
I pretty much see it as Hugh does, with one exception, young people today. I'm in a college setting and, yes, I'd agree that too many don't want to risk their coolness to do something great. It's as if they don't want to be seen to be obsessed with something.
But in general, I'm struck by the extraordinary degree of empathy and compassion they show toward one another and often toward difference. It gives me hope for a more peaceful planet. Late twentieth century America was really a violent place, almost as bad as Europe : )
Back to marriage:
Definitely the wrong site for me to be posting reasons for marriage...
But anyway, I'm sure almost all of us have banged a ton of girls, I have more then all of my friends combined. Not only pro's but a lot of non-pro's as well, good shape, good looking single early 30's is great.(not bragging, but just want to say I am not someone who has had sex with only a handful of girls and am here preaching about marriage).
But I do want to say that what I mean is that there are some pluses to marriage. It's not all terrible. And I think the biggest plus is to have that companionship with someone. There's a lot of lonely people. But to say someone is insane for getting married, I just think is a little far fetched.
Marrying to cure loneliness puts an awful lot of pressure on your partner. And it is very unsexy.
IMO, If you are just fucking the ladies of Rio without getting to enjoy some of their company, culture and good times - you are missing half the experience. Don't get me wrong - I love the thrill of being with different women, experiencing the newness that comes with how different women kiss and fuck, throw in occassional duplas. But the Brazilian people have great passion and a great way about them. Most Americans are frantic, stressed (now more than ever) and just rude and all about possessions (which really comes out in most divorces.) You better believe that a major shift is underway. The U.S. is in for a prolonged period of tough times - which will make these already miserable Americans even more miserable. Most of our younger generation are lazy and have no survival and hustle instincts. I sense that many Americans feel it is our right to be prosperous and a world leader. Well, we got fucked and the way of live here has changed forever. This is all fine by me because I always felt like an outsider anyway. I lived by what I needed, not want I wanted to keep up with my neighbors and friends. As a result, I am always able to move to where the opportunities are. And Brazil is starting to soar. I am fortunate that I will be spending a good deal of time down there. Couldn't do this if I was married.Great post!! I agree also with everything. I ve been living out of sex prison USA for about 2 years and geting ready to move to Brasil and can understand when guys come to Rio and try to fu**k every woman they see because my first 6 months in Peru I was like that, but Ive learned that part of the experience of going to another culture, is the culture itself and if pussy can be combined with that somehow....sh*t you have got a great combo! So I live a little differently and when I arrive in Brazil Ill make new friends, new loves, new lovemaking and lots of good times. Thats where its at for me!!!
Your wife cool with your mongering? She even know about it? If not, it gives lots of credibility to some of the comments being made here about marriage. Great physical attraction and sex between partners. Married or unmarried. Is IMO one of the great keys to a happy partnership/marriage. Otherwise, you can simply be friends. And you don't think you are hurting your wife by not being physically attracted to her? I certainly can see if the partner has an illness preventing them from satisfying the other partner.
I am neutral about the whole marriage thing. I tried it once. And it was not for me. I have no worries about getting old alone. (By the way, women far outlive men. And there are more of them to begin with. So there can be plenty of companionship if I choose that later in life.) I have many married friends, some happy, some miserable. But most have kind of settled into their married lives. They love their kids, homes, they don't seem to display a great deal of love towards each other. But we get together 2 to 4 times a year, they all seem to really just want to get drunk and talk about the glory days. It is my goal to always be living in my Glory Days. I have one life and I am going to have great experiences. And when I share those experiences with my friends they all seem jealous and sad. Makes me not want to discuss my experiences. I think one of the main points that this whole thread starting with was that marriage/divorce is much more expensive than mongering.
IMO, If you are just fucking the ladies of Rio without getting to enjoy some of their company, culture and good times. You are missing half the experience. Don't get me wrong. I love the thrill of being with different women, experiencing the newness that comes with how different women kiss and fuck, throw in occassional duplas. But the Brazilian people have great passion and a great way about them. Most Americans are frantic, stressed (now more than ever) and just rude and all about possessions (which really comes out in most divorces.) You better believe that a major shift is underway. The USA Is in for a prolonged period of tough times. Which will make these already miserable Americans even more miserable. Most of our younger generation are lazy and have no survival and hustle instincts. I sense that many Americans feel it is our right to be prosperous and a world leader. Well, we got fucked and the way of live here has changed forever. This is all fine by me because I always felt like an outsider anyway. I lived by what I needed, not want I wanted to keep up with my neighbors and friends. As a result, I am always able to move to where the opportunities are. And Brazil is starting to soar. I am fortunate that I will be spending a good deal of time down there. Couldn't do this if I was married.Hughdad,
I don't know whether she knows or not. We don't talk about it, but she's not stupid. Also, I never said we don't have sex, I just said I don't enjoy it that much I don't think I'm hurting her. I'm always ready when she is.
I think the saving point in our relationship is that she's scared of flying. Gives me some free hand and perfect excuses. Sure, I'd love to take you with me to Rio, but. Oh well
Maybe I would feel differently about it, but it just so happened, that 8 years ago, I tried a Brazilian pussy for the first time, and it just changed a lot of things for me domestically. Maybe I shoudln't have, but now I'm spoiled for life. Been in Thailand and DR before and liked it, but Brazil is just out of this this world, IMHO. If only it had not become THIS fucking expensive.
Speaking of which, I'd love to be able to spend some more quality time down there and get to know girls better and maybe have some non-monetary pussy for a change, but alas it's not an option. I try to fly down 2-3 times a year, and I can only spend up to 10-12 days at a time. The overabundance of pussy supplies makes repeats look waistful to me. As to non-pros, every time I tried, I ended up being asked money. Every fucking time! What a romance killer! Maybe, I have a sucker stamp on my forehead.
Anyway, thanks for your notes. I agree with most of them, but will try to keep both: the wife and my lifestyle. If you're down there in September, would be glad to meet up and have a cold one.
Cheers
Great post!! I agree also with everything. I ve been living out of sex prison USA for about 2 years and geting ready to move to Brasil and can understand when guys come to Rio and try to fu**k every woman they see because my first 6 months in Peru I was like that, but Ive learned that part of the experience of going to another culture, is the culture itself and if pussy can be combined with that somehow....sh*t you have got a great combo! So I live a little differently and when I arrive in Brazil Ill make new friends, new loves, new lovemaking and lots of good times. Thats where its at for me!!!Thanks for the notes. I understand that everyone has their own needs and wants. And I certainly understand this site is called a "Sex Forum". But the topic of marriage came up. And there have been lots of really great posts here over the months (and probably years) by some insightful members about enjoying the culture of the places you travel to. Well I heeded that advice. And it has made for much more memorable experiences for me. I imagine I will stop participating here and visiting this site less and less. Because while I really enjoy the sex and good times while in Rio. I tend to think some of the views here are more "hard-core" than mine. But that is what this site is all about. All different opinions. For instance, I personally am not about buying as much cheap pussy as I can get in a week in disgusting places. I also do not enjoy taking faceless photos of the ladies I am with to share. I know many here look forward to exchanging these. But I have found most of the ladies find this offensive. And respect the fact that I don't ask. (I do take some of my repeat friends showing their faces for my personal memories and promise the ladies that I will not post them.)
The bottom line is I just won't allow myself to see these ladies as less than human. As simply a commodity. Because of losing the geographic area lottery and being born in a poor, developing country. They have to resort to have sex to make a living. But they just happen to be very passionate and fun-loving people and many are naturally great at that line of work. And now that their country is starting to enjoy some growth and prosperity you will see a slow continuing shift to them charging more. And some moving away from this profession altogether. I have read many posts here by some members that imply it is their right to be able to buy cheap pussy there, and that some of the prices the ladies are asking for recently are insane. Well I think that will continue to change, and prices will continue to raise as their economy improves. It will obviously seem worse to those whose economies are suffering. The more I allow myself to enjoy the culture and inner beauty of the Brazilian people (again there are certainly crazies anywhere) the more I can enjoy their company, and look for interesting things to do and places to go. Like I said, I look forward to spending a great deal of time down there starting later this year and look forward to regular dating and friendships. I am really encouraged because of the fun friendships I have been able to forge with some working ladies.
Now back to my Porto lessons.
Thanks for the notes. I understand that everyone has their own needs and wants. And I certainly understand this site is called a "Sex Forum". But the topic of marriage came up. And there have been lots of really great posts here over the months (and probably years) by some insightful members about enjoying the culture of the places you travel to. Well I heeded that advice. And it has made for much more memorable experiences for me. I imagine I will stop participating here and visiting this site less and less. Because while I really enjoy the sex and good times while in Rio. I tend to think some of the views here are more "hard-core" than mine. But that is what this site is all about. All different opinions. For instance, I personally am not about buying as much cheap pussy as I can get in a week in disgusting places. I also do not enjoy taking faceless photos of the ladies I am with to share. I know many here look forward to exchanging these. But I have found most of the ladies find this offensive. And respect the fact that I don't ask. (I do take some of my repeat friends showing their faces for my personal memories and promise the ladies that I will not post them.)
The bottom line is I just won't allow myself to see these ladies as less than human. As simply a commodity. Because of losing the geographic area lottery and being born in a poor, developing country. They have to resort to have sex to make a living. But they just happen to be very passionate and fun-loving people and many are naturally great at that line of work. And now that their country is starting to enjoy some growth and prosperity you will see a slow continuing shift to them charging more. And some moving away from this profession altogether. I have read many posts here by some members that imply it is their right to be able to buy cheap pussy there, and that some of the prices the ladies are asking for recently are insane. Well I think that will continue to change, and prices will continue to raise as their economy improves. It will obviously seem worse to those whose economies are suffering. The more I allow myself to enjoy the culture and inner beauty of the Brazilian people (again there are certainly crazies anywhere) the more I can enjoy their company, and look for interesting things to do and places to go. Like I said, I look forward to spending a great deal of time down there starting later this year and look forward to regular dating and friendships. I am really encouraged because of the fun friendships I have been able to forge with some working ladies.
Now back to my Porto lessons.
Just be careful about letting your guard down. You can get "burned" when you lest expect it.
So my friend you are in the path to enlightenment and true discovery, at least for now. Enjoy t, respect them and be patient.
[QUOTE=Hughdad For instance, I personally am not about buying as much cheap pussy as I can get in a week in disgusting places....
The bottom line is I just won't allow myself to see these ladies as less than human. As simply a commodity. Because of losing the geographic area lottery and being born in a poor, developing country... Like I said, I look forward to spending a great deal of time down there starting later this year and look forward to regular dating and friendships. I am really encouraged because of the fun friendships I have been able to forge with some working ladies.
Now back to my Porto lessons.[/QUOTE]
So my friend you are in the path to enlightenment and true discovery, at least for now. Enjoy t, respect them and be patient.Cho, Interesting that you feel you need to warn me. I appreciate your concern, but I think my posts showed very clearly that I have been thinking very clear headed. I really don't need to keep my guard up as I would not allow myself to get into a situation where I would compromise what is important to me. Why do have such mistrust in others? Don't you control your life and actions? All I said was I will not allow myself to see these ladies. Or anyone else. As less than human and not just as a commodity. And because of this attitude I have had many extremely pleasurable experiences exploring Brazil, its' culture and people. And these have made my sexual exploits even more enjoyable. I read many posts here about 'schemes', games and ideas on how to get free pussy from GDP's or how to meet non-working girls, and having normal friendships and relationships. IMO, all that starts with showing a general and real interest in what makes a society tick, making an attempt to learn their language and their ways (after all you are a visitor in their country), and showing interest in someone as a person. I stated that I am not looking for long-term love or even long-term lust, so no need for you to worry about me letting my guard down. The fact is I have a major multi-year business project in front of me. A project that will fortunately put me in Brazil 6 to 7 months a year, maybe more. I saw the opportunities there, put together a plan, secured partnerships and investments and made this happen. All because I envisioned the life I want to have for myself and refuse to settle. I am just not as hard-core a monger as quite a few here. But I respsect everyone's individual motives and desires. I certainly am not trying to change any perspectives here (this is the non-garota thread right? ). But many experienced senior members also have provided much great advice here about exploring all that Brazil has to offer (not just the pussy.) There are some very cool guys on this forum that really know how to live and that I would not mind getting to know personally in Brazil. Their advice has proved invaluable. And many newbies here would do well to really go back into these threads. Rather than lazily just come on here and ask the same question that has been answered a million times (I. E. "is this hotel girl-firendly", "how do you say this"). That is why posts are archived in themes, and searchable.)
Yes Bearsk, I have been on a path of enlightenment and true discovery for the last 30 years. I am an entrepreneur and operate different than most. I dream of projects, develop them and sell them. Or turn them over to others to run. I do not work 9 to 5 jobs. Same with relationships. I operate much differently than my friends. I tried marriage briefly many years ago. (But my ex-wife had a 4 y/o daughter from a previous marriage and I ended up with a terrific life-long relationship with a now 24 y/o great young lady. I actually raised her the past 9 years myself as her mother had made bad choices in her life. So even that bad experience of marriage yielded a beautiful experience that has enriched my life so much.) I refuse to settle for having less than a joyful life. I am very positive and happy and people see this. Anyone can have what they truly want but they have to figure out what it is, be willing to make sacrifices to get it, really come to like themselves and trust others.
I have always kind of felt that the best social experiences in my life came when I least expected them or when I really wasn't looking for them. Some of the best parties I ever threw just kind of came together quickly, some of the best relationships fell into my lap. This has sharpened my instincts. You can overplan anything. I have learned to trust my instincts, RRRREEEELLLLAAAAXXXX, and enjoy what is in front of me.
I hope everyone gets what they are looking for.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I also know that this is a sex forum guide about Brazil. But I just want to add also that Brazil is actually doing a lot better than the U.S. Unemployment in Brazil is lower than in the U.S. Its economy is growing a lot faster. There are more freedoms and liberty in Brazil than you have in relation to the U.S. Also Brazils banks are not exposed to the toxic debt that crippled the U.S and European countries.
I also know that this is a sex forum guide about Brazil. But I just want to add also that Brazil is actually doing a lot better than the U.S. Unemployment in Brazil is lower than in the U.S. Its economy is growing a lot faster. There are more freedoms and liberty in Brazil than you have in relation to the U.S. Also Brazils banks are not exposed to the toxic debt that crippled the U.S and European countries.Yeah, no sub-prime mortgage mess - not much of a mortgage market there at all. I bought 2 homes in MG a number of years ago with a Brazilian friend of mine. I was actually helping him out by loaning him so money that he could not pay back so I ended up with half ownership in a 3 br, 2 bath home and a 2 br / 2 bath condo for a grand sum of under $10K. Back then the dollar was fetching nearly R$4. Just sold the condo for R$85,000. The house is rented out. I have met quite a few great Brazilian friends here in the US (northern NJ) through him. On the business side, I have been meeting with foreign and US investors about my Brazilian business projects. I will be producing new media projects there. I am actually looking at buying some real estate there as many of these projects will be ongoing and will involve bringing people down for prolonged periods of time and needing apartments to shoot productions in. No sense renting apartments or long hotel stays. I am bullish on the Brazilian economy and just sold my last US real estate property (a townhome I purchased in a short sale a little less than 2 years ago.) I am relocating my US home base to Vegas and buying a foreclosed condo there for under $70K. You can steal real estate there now if you can pay cash and move quickly. Check it out. Taxes are low, and I'll be 45 minutes away from LA. I sold my bigger house a few years back when the market became insanely overpriced and sublet an apartment for a year until I bought the townhome in short sale. But I plan of spending 6 to 7 months in Brazil next year and increasing it over the next few years. My goal is to be in Brazil alomost full-time in 2012 with several trips back to US annually for meetings.
But there is government corruption everywhere. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next several years. But I do not see any short recovery here in the US. I believe it will be years and that life has changed here in some fashion for good. But greed and arrogance has prevailed here too long and a major correction was needed. I had friends that had no right getting the mortgages they got. When a deadbeat unemployed friend of mine got a $250K mortgage about 3 and 1/2 years ago - I decided then and there it was all going to collapse and moved to sell my house at a top price. Of course, not having a wife and kids living with me made this very easy to do.
Cho, Interesting that you feel you need to warn me. I appreciate your concern, but I think my posts showed very clearly that I have been thinking very clear headed. I really don't need to keep my guard up as I would not allow myself to get into a situation where I would compromise what is important to me. Why do have such mistrust in others? Don't you control your life and actions? All I said was I will not allow myself to see these ladies. Or anyone else. As less than human and not just as a commodity. And because of this attitude I have had many extremely pleasurable experiences exploring Brazil, its' culture and people. And these have made my sexual exploits even more enjoyable. I read many posts here about 'schemes', games and ideas on how to get free pussy from GDP's or how to meet non-working girls, and having normal friendships and relationships. IMO, all that starts with showing a general and real interest in what makes a society tick, making an attempt to learn their language and their ways (after all you are a visitor in their country), and showing interest in someone as a person. I stated that I am not looking for long-term love or even long-term lust, so no need for you to worry about me letting my guard down. The fact is I have a major multi-year business project in front of me. A project that will fortunately put me in Brazil 6 to 7 months a year, maybe more. I saw the opportunities there, put together a plan, secured partnerships and investments and made this happen. All because I envisioned the life I want to have for myself and refuse to settle. I am just not as hard-core a monger as quite a few here. But I respsect everyone's individual motives and desires. I certainly am not trying to change any perspectives here (this is the non-garota thread right? ). But many experienced senior members also have provided much great advice here about exploring all that Brazil has to offer (not just the pussy.) There are some very cool guys on this forum that really know how to live and that I would not mind getting to know personally in Brazil. Their advice has proved invaluable. And many newbies here would do well to really go back into these threads. Rather than lazily just come on here and ask the same question that has been answered a million times (I. E. "is this hotel girl-firendly", "how do you say this"). That is why posts are archived in themes, and searchable.)
Yes Bearsk, I have been on a path of enlightenment and true discovery for the last 30 years. I am an entrepreneur and operate different than most. I dream of projects, develop them and sell them. Or turn them over to others to run. I do not work 9 to 5 jobs. Same with relationships. I operate much differently than my friends. I tried marriage briefly many years ago. (But my ex-wife had a 4 y/o daughter from a previous marriage and I ended up with a terrific life-long relationship with a now 24 y/o great young lady. I actually raised her the past 9 years myself as her mother had made bad choices in her life. So even that bad experience of marriage yielded a beautiful experience that has enriched my life so much.) I refuse to settle for having less than a joyful life. I am very positive and happy and people see this. Anyone can have what they truly want but they have to figure out what it is, be willing to make sacrifices to get it, really come to like themselves and trust others.
I have always kind of felt that the best social experiences in my life came when I least expected them or when I really wasn't looking for them. Some of the best parties I ever threw just kind of came together quickly, some of the best relationships fell into my lap. This has sharpened my instincts. You can overplan anything. I have learned to trust my instincts, RRRREEEELLLLAAAAXXXX, and enjoy what is in front of me.
I hope everyone gets what they are looking for.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
No offense intended. I pretty much agree with everything that you said in your first post. I have a few Brazilian friends, I have enjoyed activities outside of mongering, and have been to cities other than Rio. Just waiting for my son to finish school before I seriously investigate where I will spend my time. I envy your foresight. I too need to improve my Porto.
Thanks for the notes. I understand that everyone has their own needs and wants. And I certainly understand this site is called a "Sex Forum". But the topic of marriage came up. And there have been lots of really great posts here over the months (and probably years) by some insightful members about enjoying the culture of the places you travel to. Well I heeded that advice. And it has made for much more memorable experiences for me. I imagine I will stop participating here and visiting this site less and less. Because while I really enjoy the sex and good times while in Rio. I tend to think some of the views here are more "hard-core" than mine. But that is what this site is all about. All different opinions. For instance, I personally am not about buying as much cheap pussy as I can get in a week in disgusting places. I also do not enjoy taking faceless photos of the ladies I am with to share. I know many here look forward to exchanging these. But I have found most of the ladies find this offensive. And respect the fact that I don't ask. (I do take some of my repeat friends showing their faces for my personal memories and promise the ladies that I will not post them.)
The bottom line is I just won't allow myself to see these ladies as less than human. As simply a commodity. Because of losing the geographic area lottery and being born in a poor, developing country. They have to resort to have sex to make a living. But they just happen to be very passionate and fun-loving people and many are naturally great at that line of work. And now that their country is starting to enjoy some growth and prosperity you will see a slow continuing shift to them charging more. And some moving away from this profession altogether. I have read many posts here by some members that imply it is their right to be able to buy cheap pussy there, and that some of the prices the ladies are asking for recently are insane. Well I think that will continue to change, and prices will continue to raise as their economy improves. It will obviously seem worse to those whose economies are suffering. The more I allow myself to enjoy the culture and inner beauty of the Brazilian people (again there are certainly crazies anywhere) the more I can enjoy their company, and look for interesting things to do and places to go. Like I said, I look forward to spending a great deal of time down there starting later this year and look forward to regular dating and friendships. I am really encouraged because of the fun friendships I have been able to forge with some working ladies.
Now back to my Porto lessons.With your points of view! I am also planning to do business in Rio (real estate and media, pretty much what you have in mind). Maybe we could meet up there some time and talk. I don't know exactly how this thing works here, I'd like to send you a private message, but couldn't. I'd appreciate if you did though since I think we might be able to talk business in private. I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Jo
With your points of view! I am also planning to do business in Rio (real estate and media, pretty much what you have in mind). Maybe we could meet up there some time and talk. I don't know exactly how this thing works here, I'd like to send you a private message, but couldn't. I'd appreciate if you did though since I think we might be able to talk business in private. I am looking forward to hearing from you.
JoYou have to be a subscriber to leave a private message.
Look forward to talking.
Yeah, no sub-prime mortgage mess - not much of a mortgage market there at all. I bought 2 homes in MG a number of years ago with a Brazilian friend of mine. I was actually helping him out by loaning him so money that he could not pay back so I ended up with half ownership in a 3 br, 2 bath home and a 2 br / 2 bath condo for a grand sum of under $10K. Back then the dollar was fetching nearly R$4. Just sold the condo for R$85,000. The house is rented out. I have met quite a few great Brazilian friends here in the US (northern NJ) through him. On the business side, I have been meeting with foreign and US investors about my Brazilian business projects. I will be producing new media projects there. I am actually looking at buying some real estate there as many of these projects will be ongoing and will involve bringing people down for prolonged periods of time and needing apartments to shoot productions in. No sense renting apartments or long hotel stays. I am bullish on the Brazilian economy and just sold my last US real estate property (a townhome I purchased in a short sale a little less than 2 years ago.) I am relocating my US home base to Vegas and buying a foreclosed condo there for under $70K. You can steal real estate there now if you can pay cash and move quickly. Check it out. Taxes are low, and I'll be 45 minutes away from LA. I sold my bigger house a few years back when the market became insanely overpriced and sublet an apartment for a year until I bought the townhome in short sale. But I plan of spending 6 to 7 months in Brazil next year and increasing it over the next few years. My goal is to be in Brazil alomost full-time in 2012 with several trips back to US annually for meetings.
But there is government corruption everywhere. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next several years. But I do not see any short recovery here in the US. I believe it will be years and that life has changed here in some fashion for good. But greed and arrogance has prevailed here too long and a major correction was needed. I had friends that had no right getting the mortgages they got. When a deadbeat unemployed friend of mine got a $250K mortgage about 3 and 1/2 years ago - I decided then and there it was all going to collapse and moved to sell my house at a top price. Of course, not having a wife and kids living with me made this very easy to do.
I definitely agree with you on investing in Brazil. There are a lot of opportunities and things to invest in there. It was also agood idea of yours to buy when the dollar was stronger against the REAL. Brazil's president even sees the future of its country as well as some of the people. Lula has done a good job with democracy and helping out the poor. Interest rates are in the single digits. Bonds would have been a good idea a few years ago in Brazil, but I am bullish as well in Brazil. Brazil has huge potential. Brazil has what the world needs unlike the U.S. China just overtook the U.S as Brazils largest trading partner. The U.S with its (I hate to say this) ignorant policies will prolong the deep recession. Yes there might be a recovery but it will be very short and weak.
I'm travelling down to Natal with my brother this month Aug 09 to look for property investments. I've been before with the new airport being built and the amazing natural beauty i have to say its a land of opportunity. The woman are of course an added bonus!!
Mr Enternational
08-12-09, 00:14
This shouldn't be anything that everyone doesn't already know. But if you have a woman in Brazil and you are not constantly here do not expect her to be only yours. Pro or non-pro. I arrived today and texted an old flame only to screw with her and let her know I was here. She is an educated non-pro who lives in Ipanema and has a good job. I remember her telling me that she had gone on vacation with her boyfriend last month. So I sent her a message saying it's too bad that you already have another boyfriend. She called me right away wanting to know where I was and said of her boyfriend "is he Brazilian?" I said shit I don't know. She said he is not Brazilian and he doesn't live here. So I want to come stay with you tonight when I get off work.
I'm travelling down to Natal with my brother this month Aug 09 to look for property investments. I've been before with the new airport being built and the amazing natural beauty i have to say its a land of opportunity. The woman are of course an added bonus!!
What's your point or story?
Maybe I missed something.
P.S Why the section "Non-Pro Garotas - Opinions & Advice".
Blk Big Bootyluv
08-16-09, 02:21
Greetings my fellow mongerers,
I'm going to be in Rio, Copa beach, in three days, for two weeks. I have studies all of 10 minutes of Brazilian Portuguese. yeah yeah,I know i'm lame. I speak fluent spanish though. I see prices that are all over the place for Garotas. What should I expect; since my Portuguese is gonna suck? My wing man has been studying pretty good. So, I'm hoping that I can get by with my spanish and his translations, if I need them. I've got about 10 yrs of mongering so, I know how to negociate. What do you think Bro's???
You should do fine in Copa with the gdp's. Although Spanish is a different language, I'm willing to say that you are ahead of the curve compared to the average english speaking only monger. The 10 minutes a day book is not a bad beginner book, if you speak Spanish a lot of the words and grammar will be familiar to you. You might not understand them when they speak though, but you should be able to get your point across.
You should do fine in Copa with the gdp's. Although Spanish is a different language, I'm willing to say that you are ahead of the curve compared to the average english speaking only monger. The 10 minutes a day book is not a bad beginner book, if you speak Spanish a lot of the words and grammar will be familiar to you. You might not understand them when they speak though, but you should be able to get your point across.Hi,
Whats the title of the 10 minute a day book?
I had a look for it but no luck, thanks.
Blk Big Bootyluv
08-18-09, 20:30
Thats a great Idea. I'll just see when I get there. Plus like some others have said were just a 45min job anyway so, where just a quick $200R, no?
Thanks
You should do fine in Copa with the gdp's. Although Spanish is a different language, I'm willing to say that you are ahead of the curve compared to the average english speaking only monger. The 10 minutes a day book is not a bad beginner book, if you speak Spanish a lot of the words and grammar will be familiar to you. You might not understand them when they speak though, but you should be able to get your point across.
Exec Talent
08-18-09, 21:26
Hi,
Whats the title of the 10 minute a day book?
I had a look for it but no luck, thanks.
http://www.amazon.com/PORTUGUESE-minutes-day%C2%AE-Kristine-Kershul/dp/0944502377/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250627017&sr=8-4
http://www.amazon.com/PORTUGUESE-10-minutes-day%C2%AE-CD-ROM/dp/1931873097/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250627017&sr=8-1
Both without and with CD-ROM
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Both without and with CD-ROMGreat, thanks i just ordered a used in very good condition for Ģ0.22 pence and i got free postage through Amazon bargain!
Anybody could me suggest a couple of web sites where to get in touch with regular brazilian girls to date and at same time to improve portuguese too ?
Thanks in advance.
P.S. I mean something like match.com but only for brazilians.
You might try parperfeito.com.br
Try also the Yahoo Encontros area, a good fishing ground. Portuguese language required. Another awesome place is Orkut. Again, portuguese required here but a few english speaking ones can be found there too. But I would rather stay away from the English speaking ones as the more English they know, the more mileage and gringo chaser potential if not a programma girl she can be, unless she is very educated and from the upper class.
Gatorman, Sprite13 thanks guys, I will take this with both goals to get in touch with regular girls and to improve my portuguese and who knows, maybe I will end to discover better place where to go.
Anybody could me suggest a couple of web sites where to get in touch with regular brazilian girls to date and at same time to improve portuguese too ?
Thanks in advance.
P.S. I mean something like match.com but only for brazilians.
I have been using match.com International Brazil section since 2004.
I have had some luck with this site, I usually join several months before a trip and get a list of numbers and the cost of joining usually pays for itself as I usually get at least one freebie a trip from it.
They have several pricing plans, the best is you join for 6 months and you get to contact anybody on the site whether they pay or not and they can contact you whether they pay or not. A lot of Brazilian women let their membership lapse but their picture is still there, so if they don't pay then they can't respond to you.
Itchy Dogballs
09-28-09, 02:05
Madd Love,
You make Brazil's economy seem like the land of Oz, especially compared to that nasty USA A. Don't get me wrong, I love Brazil. It's a wonderful place with great people. I believe that they are a country on the rise. It clearly is the most advanced economy in South America.
But are you kidding me with your goofy comparisons. Any reasonable person would look at the stats and see that there is no comparison at all between Brazil and the G8 countries. Brazil has a very tiny upper income group, a relatively small middle class, and a HUGE lower class. So many of the roughly 200 million Brazilians live in relative squalor, when you compare it to USA Or Western EU standards. Homelss people in the USA Live like kings and queens compared to Brazil's impoverished masses. Travel outside the high rent business district of SP or the tourist area of RJ, and you see a very different Brazil. Get a grip! You are misleading people with your BS.
In the topic of dating sites in Brasil, I have used prior to a trip last year Brazil Cupid and it was ok, "met" a nice mineira with whom I'm still in touch but I haven't got the time to actually meet her. I tried once, for curiosity sake Latin Euro, it was a complete waste of money. All in all, I wouldn't mind giving Brazil Cupid another try.
Thanks guys for the answers, so....we now have brazilcupid.com, parperfeito.com.br, orkut.com, match.com International Brazil... ok I can register in everyone, but any differences between them ? Which one has higher numbers of Brazilians, regular, girls ?
Thanks guys for the answers, so....we now have brazilcupid.com, parperfeito.com.br, orkut.com, match.com International Brazil... ok I can register in everyone, but any differences between them ? Which one has higher numbers of Brazilians, regular, girls ?
In Match.com Brazil I have never met a GDP. But all were mature, educated and looking for a serious relationship and or marraige. It gets messy because at some point they realize Im not looking to get married to them but they usually end up giving me some anyway for the fun of it. Then the next day they usually tell me some type of excuse that they drank too much or it was my charm and they usually don't act this way normally. Me neither.
In Match.com Brazil I have never met a GDP. But all were mature, educated and looking for a serious relationship and or marraige...
Thanks, that's all I need :) and in a while I will give my first try to br.match.com.
Then the next day they usually tell me some type of excuse...
About the second part of your post, according to my experience here in Europe, but I guess it is the same everywhere, if a woman meet you at first date and spend with you dinner and after dinner time in some club, surely she feels comfortable together you and probably likes you as well, otherwise she finds excuse and she leaves in a very soon time if you are not her type.
So what stop many to follow you...till morning is most of times cause they are afraid about what you think about her next day. I found that if you give her a good alibi-excuse, to sleep with you, many will do it "enough" easily.
What I mean is that with the years, I learned and I changed from to convince her I am the right one she was waiting for, to make her believe that there is nothing bad with sex at first date, that I am surely not gonna to change my opinion about her and that if man and woman like each other and they are both single, there is no one reason to wait more time to make love.
Obviously I do not tell her in this short way, but in longer, nicer way, touching and kissing her.....I found it works quite good, much better than lie to her......IMHO
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