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Hughdad
09-28-09, 20:31
Have a story behind that username selection?

Rio Bob
09-28-09, 21:27
Thanks, that's all I need :) and in a while I will give my first try to br.match.com.

What I mean is that with the years, I learned and I changed from to convince her I am the right one she was waiting for, to make her believe that there is nothing bad with sex at first date, that I am surely not gonna to change my opinion about her and that if man and woman like each other and they are both single, there is no one reason to wait more time to make love.

Obviously I do not tell her in this short way, but in longer, nicer way, touching and kissing her.....I found it works quite good, much better than lie to her......IMHO


Most of the women I scored with from match.com was on the second date, if there was a second date. The first date we would meet for a drink or dinner and I would check to see if there was any chemistry between us, sometimes I would get close but most of them held out and I don't push too much at all. Then usually we go out the next night again for dinner and it usually happens no problem.

I can only remember 2 times from match.com that I scored on the first meeting and both of them I met in the day. One told me she was looking for a serious relationship, I told her she has no chance with me that the only thing that we could do is go to my apt now and have great sex, she agreed, she called me 100 times after that never saw her again, too clingy.

Another was similar, I met her on the beach during the day, we went for lunch then we took a walk, she was pretty nice, we stopped in my apt for a second, on the way up the elevator she told me she'll come in my apt but don't expect any sex, I said I know. Half hour later she asked me if I had a condom. I would have met her again because she was hot but I met another one from match.com the next day that I liked even better and banged her everyday.

Eros74
09-28-09, 22:01
...she was pretty nice, we stopped in my apt for a second, on the way up the elevator she told me she'll come in my apt but don't expect any sex, I said I know. Half hour later she asked me if I had a condom....

Sangue Bon, thanks for shares this, I love when things happen like the part I quoted, it makes you feel very good LOL.

The most important thing is to stop in the apartment, no matter for what, to show her the photo of the city where you live, to give her a present, to cook her something....once you get her in your flat, you neither has to push, enough to wait a while and to tease her....they are human being as us, sometimes even more horny than us...

Rio Bob
09-28-09, 22:43
Sangue Bon, thanks for shares this, I love when things happen like the part I quoted, it makes you feel very good LOL.

The most important thing is to stop in the apartment, no matter for what, to show her the photo of the city where you live, to give her a present, to cook her something....once you get her in your flat, you neither has to push, enough to wait a while and to tease her....they are human being as us, sometimes even more horny than us...

Actually I just remembered a third one I scored on the first date. This one contacted me on match.com and told me she was coming to New York on business and would like to meet me. I took her for dinner on little Brazil street in NY.

The whole time I chatted with this woman online months before she came and even through dinner I couldn't read her. I just never knew if I could score with her.

Then after dinner we went to have a cigerette outside the restaurant and I went to kiss her, she was all over me, went back to her hotel, banged like rabbits all night. Did repeats on her in NY and in Rio.

Eros74
09-28-09, 22:46
Another couple of stories like this and I guess half ISG will join match.com asap LOL

Prosal
10-06-09, 08:53
may i chime in ? :)

one thing people seem to forget here is that brasileiras (and especially cariocas and those of southern brasil) have very very little esteem and interest for sex-hungry tourists. there is an underlying distrust of gringos among "regular" brasileiras and in many cases it's dislike, and even hate. on the other hand they have a very high opinion of their fellow countrymen. they are suckers about their own culture. practically fanatical. and more and more they date boys their own age ... their peer group, sharing their common interests. gringos are completely out of this loop. furthermore it's a pure fact that latinas (contrarily to slavs for who looks is important but not overly so) place the highest emphasis on looks, which exclude 90% of the gringo mongers from consideration. anyhow most of the mongers don't speak the local language and can't even communicate with the girls they want to fuck. good luck.

it's also a pure fact that the legend of the sexually unhinibited and carefree non-pro brasileira eager to meet foreigners is totally over-rated. firstly, economy in brasil has improved dramatically since the 90's, and sex-hungry foreign tourists aren't that interesting anymore as an escape option. women have a future in their own country. then they are not that liberal. there is some 43.000.000 born-again-xtian evangelists in brasil. also if she's decent looking, a brasileira has permanently dozens of horny, athletic, confident,charming and sometimes rich young brasilian guys at her feet begging to please her, with who she can communicate, she shares the same culture and common interests, and who offer "added value" since they won't leave the country "never to be seen again after their 12-15 day sex holiday is over" like the foreign predators do.

this is the huge difference with ee, where dyevuskas, and especially the most learned and worldly,jump on any occasion to fuck a decent looking,witty and well-travelled foreigner. contrarily to brasileiras, fucking their fellow countrymen is a chore fsu dyevs have to do, not something they particularly enjoy. and they are much wilder. i personally score more non-pros during one week in chisinau or tashkent than during two monthes in goiania, rio or wherever in brasil.

anyone (like sperto in the "florianopolis" thread) who says that for a gringo tourist scoring "real" non-pros is easy in brasil is só fala merda.


local regular girls in floripa might not be very hard.

Sperto
10-06-09, 09:40
Furthermore it's a pure fact that latinas (contrarily to slavics for who looks is important but not overly so) place the highest emphasis on looks, which exclude 90% of the gringo mongers from consideration.
That explains why you don't go to Brazil anymore.

I personally score more non-pros during one week in Chisinau or Tashkent than during two monthes in Goiania, Rio or wherever in Brasil.
We believe you, and the explanation is given by yourself.

Conclusion: Ugly mongers go to Uzbekistan. Handsome mongers go to Brazil. :D

Jan 156
10-06-09, 09:58
I think Prosal makes some interesting and valid points though it doesn't, for me anyway, mean that anyone who has successful non-GDP dates is talking shit - they're certainly not, and Sperto has pointed up useful regional variations for the experienced player - but a sense of balance is always useful. The main factor for me in Brasil is usually (except when it falls in my lap) one of time. Many cities in Brasil are notable for the sheer efficiency with which it's possible to monger. Having sex daily or several times a day increases libido. Non-GDPs usually require at least a nominal waiting game. The cultural thing mentioned by Prosal is a factor against me, but hardly enough to deter a determined player who has naturalised to an extent and willing to put in the time. I've never tried Match.com for Brasil but maybe it's worth a go, though I imagine some (not all) girls that use it will be GDPs/golddiggers in disguise.

Location also seems important to me, although I'm not nearly as well-travelled as some on the Board. Regular girls will be harder work in Copa (any gringos staying there have the sex-monger tattoo to overcome). But the tattoo was pretty absent in Belem, where there are hardly any gringos. I didn't hit on teenagers, but finding women with common interests, especially food, music, language, was enjoyable. Again, I only plumped for GDPs out of sheer time efficiency. And even then I had offers of free time/sex/companionship for an indefinite period after the transaction had finished.

I don't think dating Brasilian women is easy. I think they are fairly looks and age conscious as a whole but not everyone's the same, as with any group. I think you need good communication skills in some form or other. Once bedded, I like the passion you find in most hot countries (though again it's not a given). The religious observance stuff (that someone else mentioned) is regrettable and true. I would prefer a Candomble girl but have never had one yet. But there are girls who don't give a damn about religion unless anyone can notice - appearances are pretty powerful and, given the church's power, understandably so. At the end of the day, who cares. Everyone goes to Brasil and enjoys themself.

What I think is worrying is that newbies might get fixated on getting a non-GDP. Apart from having even (much) lower chances than when they've visited a few times, they're in danger of closing their eyes to the unimagineably vast world of GDPs in Brasil that is world class. Assuming you have some interest in GDPs to be on here in the first place, don't miss out on the opportunity of a lifetime boys!

Jan 156
10-06-09, 10:01
Funny to hear someone like you, who spends his vacations to fuck as much cheap skanky nightmare prostitutes (who certainly had each more than a few thousands filthy mongers blow loads of putrid splooge in their gaping pie holes) . . .

Prosal - I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, especially as you'd made some valid points before you started having a go at people. But that was a pretty cheap shot.

Prosal
10-06-09, 10:12
Prosal - I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, especially as you'd made some valid points before you started having a go at people. But that was a pretty cheap shot.
The fact is that as usual, Sperto take such umbrage for giving observations of the reality of Brasil that he resorts to pejorative terms and raving nonsense ( "Ugly mongers go to Uzbekistan. Handsome mongers go to Brazil"). Maybe what he could do, instead of constantly resorting to insults and silly statements, is let me know which ones of my arguments and observations he disagrees with and refute them countering with his arguments and observations.

But, more simply and easily, he will as usual undoubtedly just keep on stupidly deriding and insulting the ones who comment on the reality of the life in Brasil and he doesn't agree with. Anyhow I don't expect much from such a self-delusional cheap woremonger doubled with a obviously obtuse flag-waver, who refuse to scratch beyond the surface and whose only arguments are "shut up and take it all exactly as it comes, and anyway you don't know shit about this wonderful country".

Sperto
10-06-09, 10:43
Funny to hear someone like you, who spends his vacations to fuck as much cheap skanky nightmare prostitutes (who certainly had each more than a few thousands filthy mongers blow loads of putrid splooge in their gaping pie holes) as he can get in disgusting nasty places,...
I've posted lots of photos of my "cheap skanky nightmare prostitutes", but I can't recall I've ever seen any photo posted by you. No need to say more...

...is let me know which ones of my arguments and observations he disagrees with and refute them countering with his arguments and observations.
Your post wasn't without any points, but you take it to the very extreme filling it with your hatred against brazilian women.

... self-proclaiming himself a "handsome monger".
You're funny. :)

Marcop 12
10-09-09, 23:49
A good way i find to keep on top of non-pro nightclub scene in rio is to sign upto a few club sites which have their weekly photos updates of inside the nightclubs.

Its easy to tell the classier club and what sort of class of garotas they attract. It also keeps you upto date of forthcoming events, Djs etc and the names and addresses of the clubs. Also by signing up more often than not you can put your name down on the list (lista) Which is like the VIP list. For intance if a club charged $R80 to get in, if your on the list you still pay $R80 to get in but you get $R80 of drink included which effectivly get in for free unless you nurse your tin of skol all night :)

taemtodas.com.br
nightrio.com.br
riofesta.com.br

For non pork n cheese speakers i have my google automatically translate all sites you can set this in the google laungage tool bar..

Prosal
10-10-09, 11:39
i have my google automatically translate all ; you can set this in the google laungage tool bar
RULE N°1: communication.

If you can't even hold a simple conversation with a girl, you don't have any chance in Brasil. You have to be able to flirt and keep a conversation going long enough that she starts gaining interest.

Most of the "non-pro players" wannabes don't speak portuguese and can't even communicate with the girls they want to fuck. Good luck.

:rolleyes:

Marcop 12
10-10-09, 13:16
RULE N°1: communication.

If you can't even hold a simple conversation with a girl, you don't have any chance in Brasil. You have to be able to flirt and keep a conversation going long enough that she starts gaining interest.

Most of the "non-pro players" wannabes don't speak portuguese and can't even communicate with the girls they want to fuck. Good luck.

:rolleyes:Prosal maybe I'm missing something but every report I have read from you is in the form of criticism and negativity. Theres no doubt speaking fluent portuguese is a major advantage in pulling non-pro garotas and communicating in brazil, but not the be all and end all in my opionion, first of, speaking Portuguese or not I want to be in a club with hot women, by looking at the photos you can see the sort of woman the different clubs attract.

Even if in an English speaking club\counrtry how much conversation is actually done inside if your out on the pull?

The post is purley informational purposes on the clubbing scene in Rio, I have had several non-gdp pick ups, and my Portuguese is shit! It has never been an issue key words words and having a good time and a laugh is more than adaquate. To get into an indepth relationship when you both speak a different laungage is of course a no no. In my experience almost all the girls in these top clubs speak a bit of english and at least love to practise and learn as well, wilth patience and helping explain words and meanings in English is just as much fun and part of the pick up as saying cheesy lines in Portuguese!

I've had a couple of long relationships (long in my book) with the girls learning English as part of their degree and studys and they love learning and picking up on my sense of humour and different meanings of words, and its fun having mixed lingural conversations with the key to both learning or picking up on new words.

Maybe the numerous girls in non-gdp clubs have only taken me on or instigated conversations as they speak a little English but again I've never been short of conversations in clubs.

Maybe the fact is you simply never been to any of these clubs listed and have absolutly no experience or cause to comment other than to criticise posts.

The way I see it these clubs are expensive by Brazillian standards even by European standards these days and the clientele are educated and work or study in a professional enviroment with the majority learning to speak English or love to practice. As said my Portuguese is pretty rubbish but I get by and overall when get involved in conversation its a school day for us both learning new things and this is all part of the fun in my book.

It wouldn't be so bad but your post (Quote) part about using a translator. Even speaking good portuguese navigating websites in Portuguese is not the easiest and since this is an English written forum and an information forum, supplying any hints or tips on ANY matter is the purpose of it. So for purley checking out the clubs and addresses and having a look at the photos of these clubs the translator opens the door for being able to do this.

I would love to show my own numerous photos in such clubs with multiple girls having fun, and yes all these clubs are infact in Rio and as said my Portuguese is rubbish.

Maybe speaking Portuguese or any local laaungage in any city is still not enough for some people to pull.

I love paying, not paying and I love to get laid.

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Hitmanm3
10-10-09, 17:17
I did not know where to post this question, so i decided to post it here, i hope i did not make a mistake in posting it here, thanx for the patience....I know of a guy who is dating a girl from Brazil , he is not a monger like us, so he does not know the tricks that a brazilian gdp can pull off. He met this lady on the internet and started talking to her....he decided to go to Brazil to meet her and so forth....he has now been to Brazil several times and has been spending his free time flying to her town to be with her. I never saw pictures of her until recent and it turns out that she is a GDP. I know this because i have seen pictures of her on this very site. He sends her money, pays for her apartment and so forth, we know the story so i will not bore you with the details. This is where my dilemma starts: should i break the news to him or should i just keep my mouth shut.

Marcop 12
10-11-09, 09:14
I did not know where to post this question, so i decided to post it here, i hope i did not make a mistake in posting it here, thanx for the patience....I know of a guy who is dating a girl from Brazil , he is not a monger like us, so he does not know the tricks that a brazilian gdp can pull off. He met this lady on the internet and started talking to her....he decided to go to Brazil to meet her and so forth....he has now been to Brazil several times and has been spending his free time flying to her town to be with her. I never saw pictures of her until recent and it turns out that she is a GDP. I know this because i have seen pictures of her on this very site. He sends her money, pays for her apartment and so forth, we know the story so i will not bore you with the details. This is where my dilemma starts: should i break the news to him or should i just keep my mouth shut.Through experience on the circuit as with most here know that some or most to different degrees are oscar winners, they have hidden powers of being seductive, yes they do leave you questioning yourself and theres things you cant quite put your finger on but because they have practiced their 'pitch' mant times (just like the muggers on copa) they generally have answers and 'half' plausable story to expalin things. Its likely she was speaking to several guys, what they do is keep them all on block on msn and unblock and keep in touch by spending little time daily going through them all, if your friend showed most potential to the GDP she is then likely to dedicate more time to him.

The old saying 'the truth hurts' The guy is your friend, you have read horror storys on here of involvement with GDPs. IMO you have to do the right thing as you she only after money at the end of the day its an inbuilt thing that regardless of anything its about the money.

By not having experience its easy to have different outcome in your mind that the situation is in fact real, shes not that type of girl, its not possible but as said these girls are actresses in their own league that transpires from their GFE in the sack. Even in the sack if they give a GFE they know for 1)their going to enjoy it more, 2) get repeat business 3) get a tip 4) get a green gringo fall in love, and pay for their apartment in Rio on the back of that pay for their familys gaff and hit the jackpot.

Even when they do that its not enough once hooked in, the other guys on msn will get a bit more time talking and the process goes on and on.

In short you got to tell him and he can make up his own mind with all the facts on the table just make sure you cover facts listed on board of possible outcomes as theres been many! I personally would have no problem telling an amigo and would consider myself entilted to a beer or two, for the ineviable fortune you will have saved him.

Allforrio
10-11-09, 11:38
I did not know where to post this question, so I decided to post it here, I hope I did not make a mistake in posting it here, thanx for the patience. I know of a guy who is dating a girl from Brazil, he is not a monger like us, so he does not know the tricks that a brazilian gdp can pull off. He met this lady on the internet and started talking to her. He decided to go to Brazil to meet her and so forth. He has now been to Brazil several times and has been spending his free time flying to her town to be with her. I never saw pictures of her until recent and it turns out that she is a GDP. I know this because I have seen pictures of her on this very site. He sends her money, pays for her apartment and so forth, we know the story so I will not bore you with the details. This is where my dilemma starts: should I break the news to him or should I just keep my mouth shut.Lots of GDPS have accounts on dating sites.

Trust me I know I have met a couple and visited them in Rio but the ones I met had no qualms about me finding out the they were working girls only because I saw both at ta

But this dilemna is quite different.

The only question you need to know is: Is the girl still working? LOL

Only then you should open your mouth.

I know me for one will never let a FRIEND get taken advantage of.

Maybe you should give the post number of her foto on this site maybe and member can confirm if she is still working.

Just my 2 cents

Good luck,

We got to stick together those girls are the great at manipulating.

Exec Talent
10-11-09, 12:18
I did not know where to post this question, so i decided to post it here, i hope i did not make a mistake in posting it here, thanx for the patience....I know of a guy who is dating a girl from Brazil , he is not a monger like us, so he does not know the tricks that a brazilian gdp can pull off. He met this lady on the internet and started talking to her....he decided to go to Brazil to meet her and so forth....he has now been to Brazil several times and has been spending his free time flying to her town to be with her. I never saw pictures of her until recent and it turns out that she is a GDP. I know this because i have seen pictures of her on this very site. He sends her money, pays for her apartment and so forth, we know the story so i will not bore you with the details. This is where my dilemma starts: should i break the news to him or should i just keep my mouth shut.
What if he were you? What would you want? Keep in mind he may already know, just does not want the world to know or the world to know he knows.

If you do decide to tell him, present him with the facts that you saw her picture on an internet site and thought he should know. If you want to remain friends, do not act at all judgmental about what she does or did. Like I said, he may already know and as long as he thought you didn't know, you two were cool. That may change now that his good friend knows that his girlfriend used to be a prostitute.

Oakwood99
10-11-09, 15:48
I did not know where to post this question, so i decided to post it here, i hope i did not make a mistake in posting it here, thanx for the patience....I know of a guy who is dating a girl from Brazil , he is not a monger like us, so he does not know the tricks that a brazilian gdp can pull off. He met this lady on the internet and started talking to her....he decided to go to Brazil to meet her and so forth....he has now been to Brazil several times and has been spending his free time flying to her town to be with her. I never saw pictures of her until recent and it turns out that she is a GDP. I know this because i have seen pictures of her on this very site. He sends her money, pays for her apartment and so forth, we know the story so i will not bore you with the details. This is where my dilemma starts: should i break the news to him or should i just keep my mouth shut.

Hitmanm,

I think you should tell him. If he cares for her it will not change those feelings. Something else to keep in mind, is she still working or is she out the game? By hearing this from you, a friend, should give him food for thought which will allow him to decide if to step back from the relationship or continue the relationship. I belive he will do the latter.

Kid Cisco
10-11-09, 19:23
Times change, but Serial Antagonists NEVER change their ways!

I thought we got rid of you.

I don't know why Jackson continue to let serial antagonists like you, Surfer, Vince Voyeur and others talk their way back into the site, only to be forced to eventually ban them again.Mac,

Can't help it he has some type of problem that he can't help himself he keep on coming back like JASON he needs to learned to stop turning this site and others into his own stage to preach on subjects that NO ONE cares about.

Kid Cisco

Ee2002
10-11-09, 22:17
Also if you do decide to tell this guy, be carefull so you don't expose the guy who posted the photo. Unless you get his permission. There has been numerous cases where some sucker runs to a garota in question about seeing her photo online and the poster catching hell. Whatever you do make sure your buddy does not show the garota the site or the photo when confronting her about her current or past puta lifestyle.

Good luck!!!!!

Eros74
10-11-09, 22:39
Hitmanm3 for me it depends which kind of friendship you have with him, if nothing good and special one, maybe consider to tell him nothing.

If he is a very good friend of you, I'd tell him everything, maybe starting with a question like this: "have you never thought that maybe your GF is a GDP ?"
By the way he reacts to this question, you can be able to read from his eyes if he knows or not.

If he knows, not point to go forward with conversation, he knows and he just hide to you.

If he does not know, without judgment tell him everything avoiding where exactly you saw her pics. Do not tell him about ISG or you can be sure, so far they have long term relationship, she will be able to get from him, where exactly her photos were posted and.... one GDP that knows ISG means in a while many GDP will start to read this forum or, if they do not know english, at least to check photo gallery thread.

Maybe you can tell him, not long time ago, in gpguia they wrote about her GF, cause as I saw, many GDP know gpguia, so it not a problem at all.

Let us know how it will end.

Good luck

Admin
10-24-09, 02:48
Greetings everyone,

In recognition of his many great contributions to the Forum, I have given Quincas his own thread titled "Quincas in Brazil".

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=3095

Those of you who wish to join him in the discussions in his new thread are welcome to do so.

I've also moved all of his previous "contributions" to this new thread, creating a sort of "The Collected Works of Quincasl"" for those of you who are interested.

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Bimbo Boy
10-27-09, 05:55
May I chime in ? :) ... Firstly, economy in Brasil has improved dramatically since the 90's, and sex-hungry foreign tourists aren't that interesting anymore as an escape option. Women have a future in their own country. ... Anyone (like Sperto in the "Florianopolis" thread) who says that for a gringo tourist scoring "real" non-pros is easy in Brasil is só fala merda.
Many Brazilian girls now know very well that the USA is becoming a "low-cost" country. This is on top the the usual "stupid gringo" reputation.
However Brazilian non-pros easily fall to good looks. Just be elegant, wear nice suits, speak some Portuguese, be fit, and you can bed them at any age ...
Regards.
B.B.

Sprite13
10-29-09, 05:40
Even if one isn't the best looking, as long as he speaks good portuguese and has a good papo, he can bed most of these great looking non pros. The key ingredient here is speaking portuguese. Dressing nicely helps too and being willing to spend some $ on them will produce great dividends too. Oh and the more one goes away from the touristy area, the higher their chances of picking up non pros. Specially in other cities outside of Rio-SP where it can be a literal gold mine/ harem if one plays their cards right.


Many Brazilian girls now know very well that the USA is becoming a "low-cost" country. This is on top the the usual "stupid gringo" reputation.
However Brazilian non-pros easily fall to good looks. Just be elegant, wear nice suits, speak some Portuguese, be fit, and you can bed them at any age ...
Regards.
B.B.

Prosal
10-29-09, 09:51
Specially in other cities outside of Rio-SP where it can be a literal gold mine/ harem if one plays their cards right.
I disagree.

In the provinces most mid-to upper class girls (especially the Grade A chicks) may not want to be seen making out or holding hands with a gringo ....they may see this as a loss of status if the local guys start considering her a piranha who fucks foreigners.

Sperto
10-29-09, 10:47
Oh and the more one goes away from the touristy area, the higher their chances of picking up non pros. Specially in other cities outside of Rio-SP where it can be a literal gold mine/ harem if one plays their cards right.
So absolutely true! Cities with no gringos are gold mines.

* Being a gringo is an attraction for the local girls.
* Gringos don't have the bad reputation of being sex tourists.
* It's status for the local girl who pick the gringo. They'll compete to catch the big fish.

Hughdad
10-29-09, 12:06
So absolutely true! Cities with no gringos are gold mines.

* Being a gringo is an attraction for the local girls.
* Gringos don't have the bad reputation of being sex tourists.
* It's status for the local girl who pick the gringo. They'll compete to catch the big fish.I have been in Pocos de Caldas for the past few days. It is a vacation city for Brazilians. No one here looks like me and hardly anyone speaks or understands any English. I walked through the busy downtown area yesterday and went in some stores looking at goods and prices. And while I was not looking to monger (I have several business folks here with me and a tight schedule. I am out of here this morning), I caught the eye of many of the sales clerks. And when they approached me and asked to help. They did so cautiously as if I would not undertsand. I pleasantly surprised them when I responded with some Porto chit chat (even though my Porto is still very limited). They asked some questions about the US and had great smiles. I definately got the vibe that I could have asked a few out for coffee or a drink. I caught several talking together and watching me walk out as I turned to wave goodbye. I will be back up here again after Rio and Sao Paulo and I will definately pursue some "dating".

I am more determined than ever to pick up the pace on my Porto studies. It has been said here many times.- speaking Porto is the most important thing one can do. It just opens up a new world and it shows you are serious about being in their country.

Exec Talent
10-29-09, 13:38
I have experienced it both ways in terms of being a gringo, even with the same girl and her family. In the north zone of Rio which I have visited a number of times, initially girls were concerned that they would be considered GDPs if they were seen with me. Later after meeting family and friends and speaking with them in Portuguese, that all changed. Suddenly you are king of the castle and the little kids all way to touch you and be near you.

On a side note, I have spent some time getting to know street vendors. Some of them are so cool, like the older guy who sells candies outside of the Figueiredo de Magalhães entrance to the metro. Stop by and buy a few candies from him on your way to L'uomo. You will see what I mean.

Yesterday, it was overcast and rainy. One of the vendors who usually sells batteries was selling umbrellas. He confided in me that he liked when there were more gringos here because he could get double or almost triple the price. One of the things I have gotten in the habit of doing is hanging out in front of vendors and listening closely for prices; makes it harder for them to try to charge a price different from what they charge the locals.

Beach Star
10-29-09, 17:05
I have experienced it both ways in terms of being a gringo, even with the same girl and her family. In the north zone of Rio which I have visited a number of times,

Firstly watch the movie 174 and see how a street vendoqr can change a life. Pay careful attention to the scene in Praca 15.

What do you consider the north zone. I`ve seen a lot of different opinions.

Sperto
10-29-09, 17:48
What do you consider the north zone. I`ve seen a lot of different opinions.
Zona Norte consist of at least 50 different bairros.
To make it simple. When you leave Zona Sul (Sao Conrado, Lagoa, Jd Botânico, Gávea, Leblon, Ipanema, Copacabana, Leme, Botafogo, Urca, Flamengo, Gloria, Catete, Laranjeiras etc) heading north, you'll pass through Centro. After Centro you enter the Zona Norte.

I would say it starts somewhere around Praça da Bandeira/Maracanã.

Zona Norte is huge, Zona Sul is small and Copa is just a "microscopic" part of Rio.

Jan 156
10-29-09, 17:54
Firstly watch the movie 174 and see how a street vendoqr can change a life. Pay careful attention to the scene in Praca 15.

It's just a movie. Whether you mean Última Parada 174 or Ônibus 174. One's a dramatisation and one's a docudrama. Both give the wrong impression when taken out of context. Why not just make your point and then people can respond? I'd love to talk movies, but I don't feel it's appropriate on here unless we're raising a point about about something in Brasil rather than something on a movie screen.

Beach Star
10-29-09, 18:05
It's just a movie. Whether you mean Última Parada 174 or Ônibus 174. One's a dramatisation and one's a docudrama. Both give the wrong impression when taken out of context. Why not just make your point and then people can respond? I'd love to talk movies, but I don't feel it's appropriate on here unless we're raising a point about about something in Brasil rather than something on a movie screen.

Ultima parada 174, the documentary was several years ago.

The scene I am talking about is when Sandro spends his money on candy at praca 15 and tthen gets thrown out of a bus on the way to copacabana. Something you may not know is that the street vendor in praca 15 was the real life father of the actor who played Sandro.

I think it has relevance in terms of ET`s post saying he pays a lot of attention to street vendors.

Beach Star
10-29-09, 18:07
Zona Norte consist of at least 50 different bairros.
To make it simple. When you leave Zona Sul (Sao Conrado, Lagoa, Jd Botânico, Gávea, Leblon, Ipanema, Copacabana, Leme, Botafogo, Urca, Flamengo, Gloria, Catete, Laranjeiras etc) heading north, you'll pass through Centro. After Centro you enter the Zona Norte.

I would say it starts somewhere around Praça da Bandeira/Maracanã.

Zona Norte is huge, Zona Sul is small and Copa is just a "microscopic" part of Rio.

And where are its northern and western boundaries

Exec Talent
10-30-09, 04:10
Ultima parada 174, the documentary was several years ago.

The scene I am talking about is when Sandro spends his money on candy at praca 15 and tthen gets thrown out of a bus on the way to copacabana. Something you may not know is that the street vendor in praca 15 was the real life father of the actor who played Sandro.

I think it has relevance in terms of ET`s post saying he pays a lot of attention to street vendors.
Especially since I and probably others were not even aware of the movie. Thanks Beach Star.

Sperto
10-30-09, 13:04
And where are its northern and western boundaries
I'm not sure what you're looking for.
Maybe this link will help you.
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zona_Norte_(Rio_de_Janeiro)

Beach Star
10-30-09, 17:23
I'm not sure what you're looking for.
Maybe this link will help you.
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zona_Norte_(Rio_de_Janeiro)

LOL!!! So you dont know, nor apparently does anyone else. LOL

Sperto
10-30-09, 18:31
LOL!!! So you dont know, nor apparently does anyone else. LOL
No, I don't know where Zona Norte ends. Common sense tells me it finish where the suburbs starts.
I provided you with a link to help you. It doesn't hurt to do some googling by yourself.

Maybe if you explain why you need to know the precise area of Zona Norte some forum monger will bother to help you. I have the feel that when you've got your answer where Zona Norte finish it will follows by another question of minor importance.

BTW, this is in the wrong thread.

Red Eric
11-04-09, 02:03
And where are its northern and western boundariesThe Zona Norte officially ends at Avenida Brasil. What is beyond it (Duque de Caxias, São João de Meriti, Belford Roxo, Novo Iguaçu, etc.) are officially suburbs.

The Zona Oeste ends along a line running from Sepetiba north to Av. Brasil. I believe that Itaguaí is outside the West Zone, but I may be wrong.

Hughdad
11-04-09, 10:23
The Zona Norte officially ends at Avenida Brasil. What is beyond it (Duque de Caxias, São João de Meriti, Belford Roxo, Novo Iguaçu, etc.) are officially suburbs.

The Zona Oeste ends along a line running from Sepetiba north to Av. Brasil. I believe that Itaguaí is outside the West Zone, but I may be wrong.So Beach Star what are you going to do now that you have this precise info?

Beach Star
11-04-09, 13:55
Thanks Red Eric.

Abzsafado
11-05-09, 02:52
And where are its northern and western boundaries
What the fuck has this got to do with "Non-Pro Garotas"?

Prosal
11-07-09, 23:56
* Being a gringo is an attraction for the local girls.
* Gringos don't have the bad reputation of being sex tourists.
* It's status for the local girl who pick the gringo. They'll compete to catch the big fish.
And the big fish is ..Sperto !!! ..a fat, poorly dressed, stingy, boring and sweating low-cost sex tourist who flies halfway around the world to fuk $20 nightmares favelada wores in disgusting places, stays in nasty cheap hotels and praises himself to be able to nurse in a bar a 2 rls Antartica during three hours !! A lofty score for a brasileira indeed !! ROFLMAO

So in your opinion Brasil is a kind of 19th century third world country where desperated women beg to be fuked by any stingy low-cost sex-hungry tourist showing up ?

We're not in 19th century any more ...we're in 2010 soon ....women have a self-consciousness of their "market value" nowadays, could it be in Minsk, in Bogota, in Antinanarivo, in Jakarta, in Chisinau, in Rio or in Bangkok ... where on this planet do you expect a good looking non pro girl to easily open her legs for a mid-aged sex hungry tourist just because he shows up and wants it to ? ... even in Bamako this doesn't exists any more !!

Everywhere in the world a 7+ girl has dozens of super-rich cash-flashing local potential boyfriends/sugar daddies at her feet desesperate to please her. And unlike most of the super rich in the West who are often also super old, those emerging coutries "nouveau riches" guys are often still fairly young (between 25-45), have usually earned their money in a very short time, love to show it off and subsequently to spoil their women and provide them for all their needs. Franckly, do you really think that a stingy woremonger on a two weeks cheap sex vacations, like you or your twin mongers, is a valuable option for a "normal" good looking brasileira ?

You have a totally inaccurate view of emerging countries. As usual you soi fala merda.

Sperto
11-08-09, 01:15
And the big fish is .. Sperto !!!!, a guy who praises himself to fuk $20 nightmares wores in disgusting places and is able to nurse a 2 reals Antartika during two hours !! ROFLMAO

So in your opinion Brasil is a kind of 19th century third world country where women open their legs for any stingy sex-hungry tourism showing up ?

This doesn't exist more my little truninha ....wer're in 2010 soon ...economy has improved dramatically in Brasil since the 80s and brasileiras have a future in their own country .... as many place in the world ...ever heard of the self-consciousness that have nowadays the best girls of their "market value", could it be in Minsk, in Bogota, in JKT, in Antinanarivo, in Cishnau, in Rio or in Bangkok ?

Everywhere in the world a 8+ girl has dozens of super-rich cash-flashing local potential boyfriends/sugar daddies at her feet desesperate to please her. Unlike most of the super rich in the West who are often also super old, those emerging coutries "nouveau riches" guys are often still fairly young (between 25-50), have usually earned their money in a very short time, love to show it off and subsequently to spoil their women and provide them for all their needs. You really think a fat and stingy woremonger like you can compete ?

As usual you soi fala mierda.
Wow, I almost understood just about nothing of your post. :D Hopefully it will be more understandable after you editing your post ten times within the coming hour.

Prosal, you reminds me of the first time in Brazil when I caught a "bicho do pé" in my toe. At first I didn't notice this parasite, I only felt an irritating iching inside my skin. Finally I had to carve it out with a knife. Out came a small slimy insect.

Should I bother to respond to your post? I really shouldn't. Your splendid days when you did (quoting you) "more than 1000 ++ brazilian girls half of them being college party girls, nymphos, virgins, secretaries, executives, Varig or JAL air hostesses, gaucha or paranaense patricinhas in vacation" are gone (and only existed in your dreams).

Prosal, I feel sorry for you, old boy. What I've understood by fellow forum members PM's and posts, who are also active in other of your forums (several where you're now banned), you have been so badly burnt by several brasileiras after sending thousands of euros to these women. This is what have made you so bitter and hateful against all women. I truly feel sorry for you.

I do my best to contribute to this forum. You on the other hand just come here complaining on Brazil and on women in general, and of course praising the mongering in FSU. That's fine, but do it in the proper section.

Regarding some of your questions:
"ever heard of the self-consciousness that have nowadays the best girls of their "market value", could it be in Minsk, in Bogota, in JKT, in Antinanarivo, in Cishnau, in Rio or in Bangkok ?"
I never heard about "Antinanarivo" and "Cishnau", but I did hear about Antananarivo and Chişinău.

P.S "Truninha", what is that word you keep repeating? At least it's not Portuguese.
P.P.S "As usual you soi fala mierda." I'm not sure what you meant? If you want to explain that you "only speak bullsh*t" it should be "Eu só falo merda". If you want to show of with some Portuguese, please, at least spell it right. Otherwise it becomes very embarrasing. ;)
P.P.P.S "a guy who praises himself to fuk $20 nightmares wores". Yes sir, I love R$ 20 GPs. :D :D :D I've posted tons of pictures of my girls, but I never seen any of your girls. I've asked you before. Where are your pictures?

Prosal
11-08-09, 01:19
I never heard about "Cishnau", but I did hear about Chişinău
You worldly monger you.... so see you on the Moldovian forum then ... yeah, please join me there ... share your knowledge about Chisinau !! ...ooops sorry, Chişinău !! :rolleyes:

BTW any arguments instead of personal attacks ? :)

Sperto
11-08-09, 01:24
And the big fish is .. Sperto !!! ....a fat, badly dressed, stingy and sweating low-cost sex tourist who travels to fuk $20 nightmares favelada wores in disgusting places and praises himself to be able to nurse in a bar a 2 rls Antartica during three hours !! ROFLMAO
...
Well you're wrong. And you have a pretty disgusting -and totally inaccurate- view of this country in fact. As most of your collegues here.
...
Franckly, do you really think a stingy old woremonger on a 15 days sex vacations like you can compete ?
...
As usual you soi fala mierda.
Prosal, I love your posts! I really do. :D

Keep it coming!

P.S Good boy, "truninha" is corrected, but you still have to edit/correct the part with "As usual you soi fala mierda."

Sperto
11-08-09, 01:28
BTW any arguments instead of personal attacks ? :)
No arguments, I just bow and praise your great knowledge of women and Brazil. :D

Go for it, you're the King Prosal.

Prosal
11-08-09, 02:40
No arguments, I just bow and praise your great knowledge of women and Brazil.
Well, I just humbly state that in Brasil, as in any other emerging or "third world" country on this planet (and undoubtedly more in Brasil than anywhere else), no woman with a bit of self respect and hope in her future does no more open her legs to a cheap and stingy sex hungry tourist on a 15 days sex vacations. What you say about "local girls who compete to catch the gringo big fish" is ridiculous BS raving nonsense.

Once more, you SEEM to stand up for this country but in fact you only caricature it.

Brasil is written with a S, and not with a Z by the way, my little trutinha. ;)


several where you're now banned
And where have I been banned from, my little trutinha ? :)

FYI, I'm from the very small number of forum members from the early (pre ISG) days of the forum who was grandfathered into fully unmoderated Senior Member. Unlike some of your newbie "fans" who are still under a full moderated mode after 300 or so posts. Hi JohnnyBraz. :)

JohnnyBraz
11-08-09, 02:42
You worldly monger you. So see you on the Moldovian forum then. Yeah, please join me there!

BTW any arguments instead of personal attacks? .why don't you just go back to the fss forums and stop dribbling shit on this forum.
you are an idiot.. you come on the brazilian forum, cause arguments, all you talk about is fss, why don't you go and cause arguments on the fss forums??
By the way. Wipe your mouth. You have shit coming out off it. whatever happened to you in brazil... you deserve it... no doubt the same will happen to you in the fss.. and once again you will deserve it... idiot...

Sperto
11-08-09, 08:36
Well, I just humbly state that in Brasil, as in any other emerging or "third world" country on this planet (and undoubtedly more in Brasil than anywhere else), no woman with a bit of self respect and hope in her future does no more open her legs to a cheap and stingy sex hungry tourist on a 15 days sex vacations.
Well, that explains why you don't go to Brazil any more.

Brasil is written with a S, and not with a Z by the way, my little trutinha. ;)
Go and stand in the corner, Prosal.

"Prosal" and "loser" is written with a S, but not "Brazil" (in English).

Prosal
11-08-09, 08:54
Idiot. Wipe your mouth. You have shit coming out off it.
No wonder why you are fully moderated. :rolleyes:

Luka22
11-08-09, 16:11
Everywhere in the world a 7+ girl has dozens of super-rich cash-flashing local potential boyfriends/sugar daddies at her feet desesperate to please her. And unlike most of the super rich in the West who are often also super old, those emerging coutries "nouveau riches" guys are often still fairly young (between 25-45), have usually earned their money in a very short time, love to show it off and subsequently to spoil their women and provide them for all their needs. Franckly, do you really think a stingy middle-aged woremonger on a 15 days cheap sex vacations like you is a valuable option for a good looking girl ?That sounds quite true. I would add that in Brazil middle (high) class people are not much culturally "sensitive". For the most part, they don't give a shit about what happens outside of their galaxy (Brazil)... So they are not really interested in hearing what a gringo has to say (in a broken Portuguese).

(and I must say that for the vast majority of them, I'm not interested in hearing what they have to say either...)

Plus there is the sexual tourism reputation that makes all of us gringos suspicious of being "tarados" and gives us a nice leprous halo for any middle class girl in fear of being seen as a *****.

The good thing about Brazil, for us, is the p4p scene (not as good as it used to be though) and the good looking working class girls who want to have a gringo boyfriend but these girls tend to be less and less interested since they are slowly moving into the lower middle class and people here reinforce the idea everyday that gringos are crazy *****mongers. Good defense strategy to keep the good girls for themselves.

That strategy is widely spread among developing countries. In a remote place of the world where I was working years ago, for example, some jealous guy event went to the town radio to call my girlfriend a *****...

Golfinho
11-08-09, 17:10
why don't you just go back to the fss forums and stop dribbling shit on this forum.

you are an idiot.. you come on the brazilian forum, cause arguments, all you talk about is fss, why don't you go and cause arguments on the fss forums??
By the way. Wipe your mouth. You have shit coming out off it. whatever happened to you in brazil... you deserve it... no doubt the same will happen to you in the fss.. and once again you will deserve it... idiot...The Prosal might have a point in saying this:

no woman with a bit of self respect and hope in her future does no more open her legs to a cheap and stingy sex hungry tourist on a 15 days sex vacations.

But, where are these type of tourists (outside of maybe Pattaya) and Prosal's alternate universe? OR, is it a self-description?

Bravo
11-08-09, 19:15
I think we can call this debate a tie! You both are correct in your own way!

For the most part, it is very difficult to get regular girls if you fit the description of a typical sex tourist in Copacabana. No normal girl wants to be looked at as a GDP in front of her friends and family. So they will be reluctant to speak to you if you look like you belong in Help! LOL

However, we all know guys who have picked up regular girls in Rio. Either because they were good looking, spoke excellant portugese or were spending longer than 7 days. So its not impossible to meet good looking regular women in Copa, its just more work.


Is it easier to pull regular girls outside of copa where there isnt a abundunce of tourists? Yes! 100X easier!! Its like shooting fish in a barrel if you travel outside of Zona Sul to meet women.

Mr Enternational
11-08-09, 21:35
For the most part, it is very difficult to get regular girls if you fit the description of a typical sex tourist in Copacabana. No normal girl wants to be looked at as a GDP in front of her friends and family. So they will be reluctant to speak to you if you look like you belong in Help! LOL

However, we all know guys who have picked up regular girls in Rio. Either because they were good looking, spoke excellant portugese or were spending longer than 7 days. So its not impossible to meet good looking regular women in Copa, its just more work.


Is it easier to pull regular girls outside of copa where there isnt a abundunce of tourists? Yes! 100X easier!! Its like shooting fish in a barrel if you travel outside of Zona Sul to meet women.
How many people, usually when you're a newbie, have met women you thought to be regular girls but turned out to be gdp? That is always a kicker.

Prosal
11-09-09, 15:33
For the most part, they don't give a shit about what happens outside of their galaxy (Brazil)
Right. Brasilians are rather .. unworldly .. to say the least. :)


the good looking working class girls want to have a gringo boyfriend but these girls tend to be less and less interested since they are slowly moving into the lower middle class .
Still right on the money. It's not that they are anti-gringo (even if admittedly many brasileiras are anti-gringo, especially in the upper classes), they just don't see much benefit in foreign boyfriends, especially those that aren't living locally and don't speak portuguese fluently.

Sound7
11-09-09, 17:09
Knowing the language and culture a plus to say the least. This would be true in any location on this planet.

USD is week and the weakness translates faster than anything else one can say or do. Brazilians do not look up to Americans as they did in the past.

Brazil Brazil a slogan in itself.


What else does one need.

A GFE ! Good luck.


Right. Brasilians are rather .. unworldly .. to say the least. :)

Still right on the money. It's not that they are anti-gringo (even if admittedly many brasileiras are anti-gringo, especially in the upper classes), they just don't see much benefit in foreign boyfriends, especially those that aren't living locally and don't speak portuguese fluently.

Enigma84
11-13-09, 21:05
I disagree.

In the provinces most mid-to upper class girls (especially the Grade A chicks) may not want to be seen making out or holding hands with a gringo ....they may see this as a loss of status if the local guys start considering her a piranha who fucks foreigners.Are you speaking of gringo tourist or expats?

Surely being an expat helps.

Sperto
11-14-09, 15:07
Are you speaking of gringo tourist or expats?
Surely being an expat helps.
I disagree with everything in the post you quoted.

Your question is if it's an advantage being a gringo living in Brazil when wanting to meet regular girls in Brazil, looking less as a sex tourist? Yes, of course it's an advantage, you'll be a bigger catch (at least if you owe some nice property etc). Less risk that you are a guy who just pass through wanting a one-night stand.

Enigma84
11-22-09, 12:33
Hi Sperto,

My Question is not only geared towards regular chicas but the so called "mid-to upper class girls or Grade A pussy" as Prosal put it. Any jack can meet a non-pro in a working class area. Those girls need money.

The very hot ones look after themselved and come from upper echelon areas. And these types are hard to meet.


I disagree with everything in the post you quoted.

Your question is if it's an advantage being a gringo living in Brazil when wanting to meet regular girls in Brazil, looking less as a sex tourist? Yes, of course it's an advantage, you'll be a bigger catch (at least if you owe some nice property etc). Less risk that you are a guy who just pass through wanting a one-night stand.

Sperto
11-23-09, 17:50
Hi Sperto,
My Question is not only geared towards regular chicas but the so called "mid-to upper class girls or Grade A pussy" as Prosal put it. Any jack can meet a non-pro in a working class area. Those girls need money.
The very hot ones look after themselved and come from upper echelon areas. And these types are hard to meet.
"Mid-to upper class girls or Grade A pussy"? I can't see what class has anything to with grading the girls beauty?
"Any jack can meet a non-pro in a working class area. Those girls need money." How so, wave some cash and they'll open their legs? :)

I'm not sure what your question was? Was it if it helps to be an expat when meeting rich girls? I guess a rich girl couldn't care less if you're an expat or not.

I don't care about what class the regular girls come from. When I studied at PUC I got my share of upper-class girls. Except for being a bit spoilt they were just like ordinary brazilian girls. If I would have the urge (which I don't have) to meet only rich upperclass girls I would ask some "upper class friends" to introduce me to their female friends.

I'm sure our charming expert on picking up regular girls, Prosal, can give some good advice to you.

Prosal
11-24-09, 11:20
My Question is not only geared towards regular chicas but the so called "mid-to upper class girls or Grade A pussy"
Scoring "Grade A" party girls in Brasil is pretty much as everywhere else in the world. It is difficult to imagine someone scoring in Nuth in Rio or Heaven in SP when he can’t do so in Mansion in Miami, Bamboo in Bucarest, Zouk in Singapore or Opera in Moscow.

What never ceases to amaze me are the fantasies most people project on Brasil as a whole. And the myth of the horny and sexually uninhibited brasileira willing to drop off her panties for any foreigner showing up is undoubtedly one of the most stupid and inaccurate of all those fantasies. Faveladas or lower-class chicks might see some benefit to fuk foreigners, but mid-to-upper class brasileiras (and especially the "Grade A" ones) have very little interest for sex-hungry tourists. And very little esteem also.


Any jack can meet a non-pro in a working class area.
Don't buy Sperto's raving fantasies about his "share of upper-class girls".

The only non-pros a cheap sex-tourist like him possibly fuks in Brasil are the South American versions of 5th generation welfare-taking Northern Kentucky hilljacks trailer trash.

Sperto
11-24-09, 15:52
Don't buy Sperto's raving fantasies about his "share of upper-class girls".
The only non-pros a cheap sex-tourist like him possibly fuks in Brasil are the South American versions of 5th generation welfare-taking Northern Kentucky hilljacks trailer trash.
Amen, guru Prosal has spoken.

I'm not trying to sell any fantasies. I just share my experience and give advice.

Prosal does the same. He shares the experience of a guy who got so hardly-burnt by a Goiânia girl that he now holds a very strong dislike against all brazilian women. He also give an advice, go to FSU.

My experience with brazilian non-pro's are pretty much the same as my buddies have on their travels in Brazil. They also mixture P4P with meeting non-pro's. The success with meeting non-pro's depends on language skills, age, looks, fitness and charm. Of course it helps to get away from typical tourist areas.

This section is about discussing non-pro's. Each one has his own experience. Prosal, show some self-respect and stop acting like a whining kid who got his candy stolen.

Ryjerrob
11-24-09, 23:17
My experience with brazilian non-pro's are pretty much the same as my buddies have on their travels in Brazil. They also mixture P4P with meeting non-pro's. The success with meeting non-pro's depends on language skills, age, looks, fitness and charm. Of course it helps to get away from typical tourist areas.

It's been the same with me over the years. Each trip I learn more and more through experience. I usually stay away from the tourist areas, and the pussy I get, Grade A - Grade Z, is the pussy I want. Why is this subject such a pissing contest. I usually take it where and when I can get it, and always leave with a smile.

This is the lull in the thread right now..........................

Sperto
11-25-09, 08:59
We're all different. Some only wants P4P and others enjoy regular girls as well. I enjoy both very much.

My encounters with regular girls in Brazil might just lead to a 30 minutes acquaintance or to a 10 years relation as f**k-friends-once-a-year, or in some cases relationships with deeper feelings involved. Some girls have been very beautiful and some have been nasty. What matters is that I have enjoyed myself and I can't say I regret any encounters.

I have the opinion that any gringo who travels to non-touristy areas in Brazil during a longer period will get laid for free. The difficulty or easiness for him getting laid depends only on him. If he's young, fit and speak good portuguese he will get laid. If he's old, fat and with a limited knowledge of portuguese he will also get laid, not that easy and propably with an older woman that have seen her better days.

Everybody can improve their chances of meeting nice non-pro's in Brazil.
1. Leave the touristy areas. Brazil is very big.
2. Learn portuguese. At least to a level that makes you able to communicate, together with gestures and maybe a dictionary.
3. You can't do anything about your age, but you can try to keep fit. Any women prefers a man that takes care of his physics instead of a big-bellied bum.
4. Brazilian women, in a higher extent than european women, don't appreciate men that are too serious. Smile, joke, be happy and make them enjoy your company.
5. With time and experience you evolve your own strategy/gameplay that works well for you when meeting brazilian non-pro's.

Some gringos will get hurt. They misjudged the innocent brazilian woman they have met. Instead of holding true feelings she only had the intention of milking the cow dry. These "mines" are a part of the game. Don't play the game if you don't want to risk loosing.

In some cases these burnt gringos get so bitter and drown in their misery and wants to state on public forums the impossibility of gringos meeting regular girls in Brazil.
Instead of listening to them, or to me BTW, give it a try yourself.

Eros74
11-25-09, 14:18
Sperto your IMHO is something I totally agree and more over I think between the 5 points you had wrote, the 5th is the most difficult one as most of us go to Brazil just for 1 or 2 weeks and according to my experience this is too short time to get a real brazilian gem together the fact that in holidays I am often very impatient to close the deal. On the opposite when I am at home in Europe, I am not in hurry, so much time and even if it seems a paradox but I close the deal easier, not to mention that where I live I do not look like as a monger as when I am in copa.

Golfinho
11-25-09, 18:28
We're all different. Some only wants P4P and others enjoy regular girls as well. I enjoy both very much.

My encounters with regular girls in Brazil might just lead to a 30 minutes acquaintance or to a 10 years relation as f**k-friends-once-a-year, or in some cases relationships with deeper feelings involved. Some girls have been very beautiful and some have been nasty. What matters is that I have enjoyed myself and I can't say I regret any encounters.

I have the opinion that any gringo who travels to non-touristy areas in Brazil during a longer period will get laid for free. The difficulty or easiness for him getting laid depends only on him. If he's young, fit and speak good portuguese he will get laid. If he's old, fat and with a limited knowledge of portuguese he will also get laid, not that easy and propably with an older woman that have seen her better days.

Everybody can improve their chances of meeting nice non-pro's in Brazil.

1. Leave the touristy areas. Brazil is very big.

2. Learn portuguese. At least to a level that makes you able to communicate, together with gestures and maybe a dictionary.

3. You can't do anything about your age, but you can try to keep fit. Any women prefers a man that takes care of his physics instead of a big-bellied bum.

4. Brazilian women, in a higher extent than european women, don't appreciate men that are too serious. Smile, joke, be happy and make them enjoy your company.

5. With time and experience you evolve your own strategy/gameplay that works well for you when meeting brazilian non-pro's.

Some gringos will get hurt. They misjudged the innocent brazilian woman they have met. Instead of holding true feelings she only had the intention of milking the cow dry. These "mines" are a part of the game. Don't play the game if you don't want to risk loosing.

In some cases these burnt gringos get so bitter and drown in their misery and wants to state on public forums the impossibility of gringos meeting regular girls in Brazil.

Instead of listening to them, or to me BTW, give it a try yourself.Having been extensively to "interior areas". MG and Goiais primarily, I can tell you with the certainty of experience that a lot of these 'small town' girls come from very conservative backgrounds. These are girls who have NEVER seen (much less encountered) a foreigner. On the flip side, there is the novelty factor. And, well, the slatternly and the willing exist everywhere. There is a clear fault line between 'good' and 'bad' girls. Decide which way you want to go. And go for it.

Ryjerrob
11-25-09, 19:24
My encounters with regular girls in Brazil might just lead to a 30 minutes acquaintance or to a 10 years relation as f**k-friends-once-a-year, or in some cases relationships with deeper feelings involved. Some girls have been very beautiful and some have been nasty. What matters is that I have enjoyed myself and I can't say I regret any encounters.

I have the opinion that any gringo who travels to non-touristy areas in Brazil during a longer period will get laid for free. The difficulty or easiness for him getting laid depends only on him. If he's young, fit and speak good portuguese he will get laid. If he's old, fat and with a limited knowledge of portuguese he will also get laid, not that easy and propably with an older woman that have seen her better days.

Everybody can improve their chances of meeting nice non-pro's in Brazil.
1. Leave the touristy areas. Brazil is very big.
2. Learn portuguese. At least to a level that makes you able to communicate, together with gestures and maybe a dictionary.
3. You can't do anything about your age, but you can try to keep fit. Any women prefers a man that takes care of his physics instead of a big-bellied bum.
4. Brazilian women, in a higher extent than european women, don't appreciate men that are too serious. Smile, joke, be happy and make them enjoy your company.
5. With time and experience you evolve your own strategy/gameplay that works well for you when meeting brazilian non-pro's.

Some gringos will get hurt. They misjudged the innocent brazilian woman they have met. Instead of holding true feelings she only had the intention of milking the cow dry. These "mines" are a part of the game. Don't play the game if you don't want to risk loosing.

In some cases these burnt gringos get so bitter and drown in their misery and wants to state on public forums the impossibility of gringos meeting regular girls in Brazil.
Instead of listening to them, or to me BTW, give it a try yourself.

This should be it..................I mean, how can this not make sense to anyone. It's so elementary, it's ridiculous. While some like to keep things going n here, I think you paint a clear picture for everyone. Mongering in any place year after year, is an investment. Money, time, vacation from work, mongering is an investment for further trips. We're all from time to time, chasing after that free piece. I have been successful to have made connections on my own, and from friends of families that always invite me over.

Thanks for setting the record straight!!!!!!!!!!!!

ryjer

Jan 156
11-26-09, 17:56
Non-pros are great. Of course they are. But here's my sense of proportion fwiw.

Non-pros, potentially, might provide more intense, satisfying and fulfilling experiences than GDPs. Does that mean we suddenly downgrade GDPs??? I don't think so.

Sure, search for non-GDPs. A holiday romance or that 'one special relationship.' Or maybe satisfy the ego ("I don't have to pay for it" syndrome) or your economic conscience ("Spending money in a relationship doesn't 'count'" lol). But just cos they are in some sense 'better,' don't waste your hard-won ticket at Pussy Wonderland by pining for stuff outside the fairground.

As someone said already, scoring with non-GDPs comes down to a host of the usual factors. But the big relevant difference is time. You can have a holiday romance anywhere. You can't get holiday p4pussy anywhere. At least not to the same degree as here or one or two other select locations.

I personally find non-GDP action just occurs naturally after a few weeks. Subconsciously, I think I prefer it that way. I no longer have a forehead tattoo that says, 'Warning: needs 3 shags a day." If I fall in love I can be faithful without feeling I've missed out. And I leave before it gets messy.

1. Have unlimited sex with unlimited number of women.
2. Find free braincells to appreciate other things in life (ie Brasil) as if they were more important than sex.
3. Have satisfying sexual relationship with non-GDP to further develop (2) above.

Seems simple enough to me.

(Remember, Bali has cleaner beaches than Rio. Don't let that let that affect your time in RJ.)

Drgn
11-27-09, 18:27
Okay, I don’t know Sperto or Prosal. I’ve never met either of them personally. And I give credit to both for their contributions to the board. That said, I totally get Prosal’s post. He wasn’t saying that guys can’t have success with non-pro’s in Brazil. He’s not talking about the secretary or shop girl. He’s talking about “high value” targets.

Some guys like the shop girls, etc, and that’s fine for them. Personally, I find it boring. Average girls are available all day, everyday, ad nauseum. Don’t get me wrong, they can be pretty, sexy, fun…but average. Sex is such a foregone conclusion, that it becomes almost anti-climatic. It’s like playing a video game over and over and over again on the easiest level. Yawn, snooze…. Enter the “high value target”. I’m referring to the “glamazon” or “turbo girl” that already has access to the BEST her society has to offer. She’s already had rich boyfriends, already comes from an affluent background, has a good education, has already travelled extensively, etc. To that target, the fact that you’re a gringo is nothing of value. I believe Prosal’s message was directed at the guys who think that being a gringo is enough for them to “fight at that weight class”. It’s not.

The point is if your skill set is not developed to the point where you can consistently game/pull “high value targets” in your own country where you understand the language, cultural jokes, etc., then your chances of doing so in a foreign environment drop precipitously. It comes down to value. What value do you provide/offer that “high value target”? This is where game conquers all. If you understand game, then you already have an understanding of VALUE as it relates to women. Value can means different things to different women. And often, value can mean different things to the SAME woman depending on the context. The magic word is compartmentalization.

DRGN

“If you want to be a bull fighter, you must first learn how to be a bull”.

Golfinho
11-27-09, 19:13
Okay, I don't know Sperto or Prosal. I've never met either of them personally. And I give credit to both for their contributions to the board. That said, I totally get Prosal's post. He wasn't saying that guys can't have success with non-pro's in Brazil. He's not talking about the secretary or shop girl. He's talking about "high value" targets.

Some guys like the shop girls, etc, and that's fine for them. Personally, I find it boring. Average girls are available all day, everyday, ad nauseum. Don't get me wrong, they can be pretty, sexy, fun but average. Sex is such a foregone conclusion, that it becomes almost anti-climatic. It's like playing a video game over and over and over again on the easiest level. Yawn, snooze. Enter the "high value target". I'm referring to the "glamazon" or "turbo girl" that already has access to the BEST her society has to offer. She's already had rich boyfriends, already comes from an affluent background, has a good education, has already travelled extensively, etc. To that target, the fact that you're a gringo is nothing of value. I believe Prosal's message was directed at the guys who think that being a gringo is enough for them to "fight at that weight class". It's not.

The point is if your skill set is not developed to the point where you can consistently game/pull "high value targets" in your own country where you understand the language, cultural jokes, etc., then your chances of doing so in a foreign environment drop precipitously. It comes down to value. What value do you provide/offer that "high value target"? This is where game conquers all. If you understand game, then you already have an understanding of VALUE as it relates to women. Value can means different things to different women. And often, value can mean different things to the SAME woman depending on the context. The magic word is compartmentalization.

DRGN

"If you want to be a bull fighter, you must first learn how to be a bull".What are you talking about? Sitting in the back of a plane for half the night will transform every gringo long past his expiration date instantly into an alpha male, and more than that, into an 'interesting person. ' You only get what you play for.

Sperto
11-27-09, 23:10
As Brazil is different from Europe/US I would like to give another of my opinions on brazilian non-pro's.

Let us talk about Hot Dogs, Filé Mignon and Russian Caviar.
BTW, thank you, Drgn, for a very interesting post.

REGULAR GIRLS, NON-PRO'S IN BRAZIL.
Most of the advices in this section goes for any women on this planet. If you're a non-scorer back at home, go for P4P in Brazil. If not, use the advantage of being a gringo when you go non-pro-hunting in Brazil.

WHY BRAZILIAN NON-PRO'S?
* I love women, specially brazilian women. I "fall in love" every day in Brazil. Beautiful eyes, bumping tits, bunda-do-jacaré-sway etc and I go louco. After I land in Galeão until I have passed the PF on the way out I've got my p***y radar on all the time without any exceptions. Expecting what? Maybe eye-candy, a smile, a phone number, a date or a quick f**k. Everything can happen (and have happened) in Brazil.

WHERE TO MEET NON-PRO'S?
* Clubs are good, but my best encounters with regular girls in Brazil have happened when I've least expected it. Bus, supermercado, bank, shop-clerk, beach, when jogging etc. Going clubbing only comes on maybe the third place. Conclusion: Always leave the radar on.

PURPOSE OF MEETING NON-PRO'S?
1. Satisfy a need. Sometimes the goal is just to conquer her and to get an orgasm, nothing else.
2. Sport. Buying sex in Brazil is like buying a hot dog, a P4P-hot-dog. Horny? OK, let´s take a metro to centro and within one hour I'm heading back with my needs satisfied. Getting a non-pro is more of a sport.
3. Ego. Any guy can buy a pro and have her moaning and faking orgasms. Non-pro's falling for your charm or whatever makes you feel good.
4. Economy. Non-pro's are for free (yes I know, many of you thinks not, but at least the way I do it's just about for free).
5. Q u a l i t y of sex (very important). Non-pro's are much better! A pro can roll on a condom with her mouth and s**k and f**K in every position you want. Great! Brazilians non-pro's, let say 70% still do it much better. There will always be some non-pro girls who will do suck-with-biting and doggy-with curled-back, but the average non-pro girl perfoms much better than a pro (at least the first times).
NOTE: Remember! Pro-girls still fill the P4P-hot-dog-need. If I'm horny I can satisfy my need in a quick and uncomplicated need. That's why I enjoy cheap joints. I can fulfill special desires. Today I want dark chocolate, big tits, giant bunda, long legs etc... When I buy sex I only look for a quick and well-performed sexual performance. I don't look for GFE with pro's. It's just an extra bonus.

WHAT DO I WANT IN THE FIRST STAGE? A NON-PRO-HOT DOG!
1. It's very biological, nature-like. I want an appealing woman in a suitable age with a nice body that looks like she has the qualifications to satisfy my needs.
2. Her skin colour, looks, eyes, smile, breast and bunda size are important at the first stage. Her background, education, class etc have no importance at all when fullfilling the hot-dog-need.
3. IF she turns out to be not only a good f**k but also an interesting person she moves up to the filé-mignon-level.

WHAT DO I WANT IN THE SECOND STAGE? A FILÉ MIGNON!
* My definition of a filé mignon is a woman that not only have a great body, beauty and excellent f**k-skillage, but also other qualites. Qualities like being smart, intelligent, honest, experienced of life and "educated". These qualities have nothing to do with being upper-class or attended good universities (I'm partly speaking of myself, good education and a good profession but still a horny burro :D).
* With the filé mignon you do all the things that you don't do with the hot dog. Cinema, nice dinners (without counting the bill in advance, will this give any reward to my invested money...), shopping (in places more expensive than C&A), meet family, DATY, bareback(?), cock for her, evenings at home and sleeping together without hiding the door-key behind the refigerator.

"HIGH VALUE TARGET".
* Drgn mentioned this interesting phrase. What's the definition? A beautiful blond burra, daughter of a rich daddy with a mansion in Barra OR a stunning intelligent hard-working and night-time-studying morena who lives in a communidade that's classified as a favela? I choose the latter.
* I do like to f**k upper class brazilians. It's like eating russian caviar. When you eat it have to enjoy it, because it tastes well or just because it's exotic and expensive. Also, in Brazil upper class means white and blond. F**K that! Where I live this is 90% of the population. What turns me on is morenas and negras.

TARGETING.
IMO and values value targeting in Brazil has nothing to do with lower class girls, upper class girls, skin colors etc.
Redefinition:
- Targeting lower class girls contra upper class girls in Brazil: A complicated subject as Brazil has a wide range of types of girls:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=589204&postcount=746
Let us assume you're targeting a brazilian "No 2", Girl with interest in you only because of the attraction (no hope of marriage, money-gifts, marriage etc).
Unless you're incredible good-looking your strongest card will be that you're a gringo and look different!

WHAT'S YOUR VALUE?
* Now it's when it becomes really different from girl-hunting back home. Why? Because you're not brazilian, you're a gringo. You have the triumph cards.
* "Great, I'm a fat middle-aged gringo, will I f**k 20-years models for free?" Of course not! You don't have a magic stick.
* Brazilian guys are masters in p***y-hunting. You don't want to compete with them on the same conditions. You want to cheat! That's why some of them will hate you forever. :D
* My strongest cards are that I have blue eyes and blond hair. Other buddies use their green eyes, brown eyes, extreme lenght, physics etc. What is important in the brazilian p***y-contest is that you're different.

STRATEGY.
* The brazilian average dark morena from the favela or the nativa in the interior will open your legs to you because you're so different from the local guys, that is if you also fill her other expectations of a man.
* The brazilian white blond upper class girl opens her legs as well, in a more complicated way. They are not less horny than the "faveladas". They just need a different approach and inviting.
I don't waste my time hunting these "russian caviars" at the clubs. If and when I stumble on them it's more of a coincidence. They are much easier to hunt when you go to the interior. Then, you as a gringo are a real novelty.

THE MOST IMPORTANT FACOR TO GET LAID EASY WITH NON-PRO'S IN BRAZIL.
Go to the non-touristy areas. My p***y-heavens in Brazil are the Capitals in Brazil that have almost no posts in this forum.

DREAMING MONGERS.
Every now and then I note posts about the desire of these incredible upper-class girls that hang out in the chique clubs in Rio. This makes me smile. Why?
1. Propably the only acquaintance these posters had of these upper class girls are the girls that they have seen at Nuth or the girls strolling at Barra Shopping, imagining that they were the cream of the cream.
2. The only difference between brazilian upper-class girls and lower class girls are their skin colour, clothes and sometimes the way they talk. They'll suck your d**k in the same way.
I know I will upset Prosal now (sorry), but after studying at PUC in Rio together with just about only white upper-class girls I had the opportunity of eating lots of "russian caviar". It was great, but when it comes to sexual performance and GFE these patricinhas are no different than the "favela girls".

Amen.

Jan 156
11-28-09, 02:39
Great posts. If there's only one other major category to cover, maybe it's a pro who decides she wants to be with you when she's not working. Having dated quite a few women in Brasil and back home who's daytime job was p4p or escorting (in one case we went out together for over a year), there's a big difference in the quality of sex from when she's working and when she's not working. If she's dating you, and not getting any financial return (Girls who's job is p4p can be quite fastidious at not letting you pay for more than you share of meals etc), she's doing it cos she wants to and it shows in the sex. To me, there is simply no comparison between paid sex and non-paid sex, even if both can be mind-blowing. And if you are getting non-paid sex on a regular basis with a girl, what's the difference if her job is a check-out girl at the supermarket, a university professor, or a pro? I've dated plenty of all three. In a couple of cases, I've seen them both as a customer and as a boyfriend. One girl was so crap at sex when I paid for it, I blew her off for a month when she wanted to be my girlfriend. And when she finally got a shot she was pretty awesome.

The main thing I'd add to Sperto's excellent post is that with non-p4p, when you're dating, you get spontaneity. An honest spontaneity (that can even include her not being in the mood). But it happens in a spontaneous way between two people that is on a different level to p4p. Even one you've hired for the duration.

Sprite13
11-28-09, 08:14
Beautiful post Sperto! As usual, you hit it hard and very nicely.
Your post should be made mandatory reading to anyone aspiring to getting into the awesome world of non pro girls in Brasil.
One thing that perhaps you may have forgotten to mention on your excellent post, or perhaps that's a foregone conclusion that anyone pursuing non pros has if not a fluent mastery of the Portuguese language, at least they can speak fairly well.
In short, it can be summarized into 4 very easy baby steps:

a) learn the language.
b) get away from the touristy areas and for drastically better results, go to other capitals in Brasil.
c) be open-minded and have a geniune interest in the local culture.
d) be a gentleman, well groomed and not a cheap burro.

If you meet the above mentioned criterias or if not, invest the time to do so (for a, b and c), then a whole ball game opens up in front of you where buying sex from p4p girls will become obsolete as you'd be overwhelmed by the incredible mind blowing sex from the non pros that can dream of.


Amen. :D

Galvin
11-28-09, 08:36
Day 2

I will skip the touring stuff with you guys. Did some beach time. Then went to Parcao (sp?) the churrisco (sp?). Due to all of the action last night. I was literally not in the mood to do anything. But after leaving Porcao I said, what the hell. I want to check out 4x4. I probably reached there around 9:30/10 and it wasn't packed but it wasn't empty either.

So what are my first thoughts of 4x4. Definitely the spot for guys who like big bunda's. And then from there it went down hill. I would talk to some of the chicas. Get through the first 4 questions they ask. Your name, where you from, why you here, you like me and then it would be dead silence. WTF. Brazil got some lazy chicas. I don't know what this is but I don't run into this problem as much in the DR as I started to run into it in Brazil over the next few days. The amount these girls interact with guys from all over there is no need for them to be so lazy and not try to break the language barrier. Anyone who put forth the effort in my book I viewed in a better light. Also, I found this more symptomatic at certain Termas. 4x4 being one of them. So yeah, I enjoyed talking to some chicas. Screening others. Left after an hour or two and went and grabbed a good night of sleep.

Sperto
11-28-09, 10:54
If you really have to have sex with white upper-class brazilian girls your best chances to score will be when they are on holiday.

Porto Seguro, in Bahia, is a good hunting ground. The patricinhas wants to have sex on their holiday. The majority of these white rich girls choose a local black capoeira-guy as their holiday-f**k, but some of them wants a gringo.

Drgn
11-28-09, 22:58
sperto, my ego thanks you for the kind words. i readily admit to having an extremely low boredom threshold. that’s why i keep using that video game metaphor. and my posts are not just about hunting in brazil, they’re about hunting anywhere.

“high value target” refers to women that are generally placed on a pedestal or viewed as the top of society for that particular environment. they are often actresses, models, entertainers, playboy girls, rich socialites, etc. the kind of women you would meet in cannes during the film festival, monte carlo during race week, a celebrity party in the hamptons, or the vip room at a high end vegas/nyc/london/miami club, i.e. any kind of environment where money is no object. the term high value target alludes to the fact that they are generally inaccessible to most men for a variety of reasons. interaction with these women is usually reserved for wealthy, famous, or extremely well-connected men. their social circles are often very closed and many of them have gatekeepers in some form or fashion. as a side note, there are affluent/hnw guys who read this board for whom hvt’s are their peer group.

why hvt’s? pure sport and it keeps things interesting. it’s advanced pick-up and seduction as an art form. no cheating needed. my game has evolved to the point where i don’t care about competing with brazilian guys, just like i don’t care about other american guys, british guys, russian guys, etc. there are so many regular women (targets of opportunity) on hand that it would take many life times just to scratch the surface. filet mignon is readily available. anything less than filet mignon is not worth the hard-on. the only thing remaining is sampling the delicacies that different parts of the world have to offer. that is, until boredom overtakes me…

Sperto
11-28-09, 23:50
“High Value Target” refers to women that are generally placed on a pedestal or viewed as the top of society for that particular environment. They are often actresses, models, entertainers, playboy girls, rich socialites, etc.
"Actresses, models, entertainers, playboy girls, rich socialites". Targeting celebrities sounds very ambitious. Picking one of these in Brazil is propably easy if you're a celebrity yourself. If you're just a gringo tourist these celebrity women will propably not even let you smell their farts.

The closest I have come to a brazilian celebrity was when I was jogging in Ondina in Salvador and I passed a sweating Ivete Zangalo jogging together with her bodyguards.

Hum... and Vanessa Ribeiro as well. ;)

Golfinho
11-28-09, 23:55
sperto, my ego thanks you for the kind words. i readily admit to having an extremely low boredom threshold. that's why i keep using that video game metaphor. and my posts are not just about hunting in brazil, they're about hunting anywhere.

"high value target" refers to women that are generally placed on a pedestal or viewed as the top of society for that particular environment. they are often actresses, models, entertainers, playboy girls, rich socialites, etc. the kind of women you would meet in cannes during the film festival, monte carlo during race week, a celebrity party in the hamptons, or the vip room at a high end vegas / nyc / london / miami club, i. e. any kind of environment where money is no object. the term high value target alludes to the fact that they are generally inaccessible to most men for a variety of reasons. interaction with these women is usually reserved for wealthy, famous, or extremely well-connected men. their social circles are often very closed and many of them have gatekeepers in some form or fashion. as a side note, there are affluent/hnw guys who read this board for whom hvt's are their peer group.

why hvt's? pure sport and it keeps things interesting. it's advanced pick-up and seduction as an art form. no cheating needed. my game has evolved to the point where i don't care about competing with brazilian guys, just like i don't care about other american guys, british guys, russian guys, etc. there are so many regular women (targets of opportunity) on hand that it would take many life times just to scratch the surface. filet mignon is readily available. anything less than filet mignon is not worth the hard-on. the only thing remaining is sampling the delicacies that different parts of the world have to offer. that is, until boredom overtakes metoo much! here's a man who sat in the back of a plane for half the night and got miraculously transformed in his own mind into an interesting person.

Galvin
11-29-09, 00:12
Day 2

I will skip the touring stuff with you guys. Did some beach time. Then went to Parcao (sp?) the churrisco (sp?). Due to all of the action last night. I was literally not in the mood to do anything. But after leaving Porcao I said, what the hell. I want to check out 4x4. I probably reached there around 9:30/10 and it wasn't packed but it wasn't empty either.

So what are my first thoughts of 4x4. Definitely the spot for guys who like big bunda's. And then from there it went down hill. I would talk to some of the chicas. Get through the first 4 questions they ask. Your name, where you from, why you here, you like me and then it would be dead silence. WTF. Brazil got some lazy chicas. I don't know what this is but I don't run into this problem as much in the DR as I started to run into it in Brazil over the next few days. The amount these girls interact with guys from all over there is no need for them to be so lazy and not try to break the language barrier. Anyone who put forth the effort in my book I viewed in a better light. Also, I found this more symptomatic at certain Termas. 4x4 being one of them. So yeah, I enjoyed talking to some chicas. Screening others. Left after an hour or two and went and grabbed a good night of sleep.Is it possible to get a moderator to move this to the Rio report area? Posted it in the wrong place.

Thanks

Bravo
11-30-09, 07:03
Wanted to get other guys opinion on this cultural difference. I have been going to brasil for years and it seems like they have a very short courting period.

Here in the states we go thru the whole ritual of dating. We spend 2 to 3 months talking, going out to eat, meeting their friends and family, going to bars and clubs, learning their likes and dislikes, etc.... Even though you may be fucking, there are no ties and responsibilities at this point, you are still in the "we are just dating, we are just getting to know one another " stage. After that 2-3 months, you then decide whether or not you want to give that person the title of being called your girlfriend.


I have noticed with brasilians, they dont have that whole "We are just dating" timeperiod. It seems like, they go on 1 or 2 dates and then instantly they are boyfriend and girlfriend. Does anyone know why they have such short courting periods? Why do they jump right into relationships so fast?

Jan 156
11-30-09, 08:18
Brasil doesn't seem particularly short to me. Just that the US is particularly long. The dating rituals in the US are a little unusual.

Bravo
11-30-09, 08:42
Brasil doesn't seem particularly short to me. Just that the US is particularly long. The dating rituals in the US are a little unusual.

I was just talking about this yesterday with a firend and she said the same thing. She said we americans take too long to decide if we like someone or not. Where as in brasil they jump right into a relationship and if it doesnt work, they break up and then jump right into another relationship with the next person. She told me she once went thru 4 boyfriends in 6 months. I guess in brasil they have more of a "Fuck it! Lets see where this ride takes us" type attitude!

Hughdad
11-30-09, 10:22
“high value target” refers to women that are generally placed on a pedestal or viewed as the top of society for that particular environment. they are often actresses, models, entertainers, playboy girls, rich socialites, etc. the kind of women you would meet in cannes during the film festival, monte carlo during race week, a celebrity party in the hamptons, or the vip room at a high end vegas/nyc/london/miami club, i.e. any kind of environment where money is no object. the term high value target alludes to the fact that they are generally inaccessible to most men for a variety of reasons. interaction with these women is usually reserved for wealthy, famous, or extremely well-connected men. their social circles are often very closed and many of them have gatekeepers in some form or fashion. as a side note, there are affluent/hnw guys who read this board for whom hvt’s are their peer group. being in the tv and film industry, i have hired actresses, models and men's magazine models (playboy, penthouse, perfect 10) for various projects. i can tell you that most of them are boring, self-absorbed, vapid, spoiled. and quite "ordinary" without the make-up and style teams working their magic. they are showered with undeserved attention and have developed attitudes and expectations. (many were surprised that i did not hit on them as this was sop for executive producers with them. (as a rule, i never sh*t were i eat.)) i have hooked up with a few after shoots and was disappointed because i found them immature and boring.

if we are talking about simple sex (without pursuing a long-term relationship) a sexy shop clerk will most probably give me a hotter, intense go than a model or actress. just pure, raw sex. and since we are using the menu metaphor, why limit yourself to expensive entrees, i am going to order off the whole f'ing menu. hey, i've enjoyed a $2 authentic taco more than a top steakhouse choice cut. when i was in the mood.

i also worked a leading author of a best-selling book on playing the "game". he is an amazingly bright, interesting and really nice guy. i have met many of his disciples. quite frankly they are geeks that have spent too much of their lives in front of a computer screen. social retards. having game is really all the things many here have been discussing lately. confidence (and zero fear of rejection), taking a definite interest in grooming and appearance, having a sense of humor, determination and knowing what you want, and a command of the native language. you can overthink it all you want and make it into a "science" if you'd like. but to me there is nothing boring about lots of hot sex with a woman of simplier means.

Exec Talent
11-30-09, 13:01
One thing I have noticed about Brazilian men is that they have girlfriends. They do not date. That does not mean that they do not cheat, but that they have a main girlfriend whom they present to the family. It is not proper to be seen in public with one girl Friday night and another Saturday night. Interestingly, this week it may be one girl and next week another but there IS a girlfriend.

If you are with one girl she will accept (not like, but accept) that you have been with another girl in private. Just do not embarrass her by being seen in public with another woman (hence, the termas).

Another thing I wanted to bring up is that if you have a Brazilian girlfriend you will be expected to have sex (often). This may sound great, but this is not sex for you, it is for her. Her pleasure and also to make sure you have nothing left for another woman.

Jan 156
11-30-09, 18:03
It strikes me as a pretty healthy attitude really - I just wish more countries followed suit. It goes both ways. Men and women will have a girlfriend/boyfriend on the side. It's normal. But the rule is: never get found out. Never do anything that would even risk being found out. You, meanwhile, are the greatest, most faithful, most passionate, most noble man that ever walked, who would never for one instant look at another woman! So your woman will tell everyone, from her friends, to her family, to your family, to her hairdresser and anyone else that will listen. And in quite a loud voice to demonstrate how lucky and special she is. But it will change as fast as a freak storm in a clear blue sky if she catches you. (I think anyone who has spent even a few weeks in Brasil knows what a garota with a rage on her looks like - yes, scary!). It's very much about having an image that can not only be believed but that one can even boast about. And pride demands equal or more histrionics if ever that image is shattered.

It seems to go through all levels of society. A US president or a UK prime minister has an affair and the wounded wife sulks and then the media and so on decide that, due to where his willie has been, the man is no longer fit for public office. When a Brasilian politician gets caught out, I don't think the thought of his sex life having a direct bearing on how good a politician he is even crosses anyone's mind.

And we're supposed to be the 'advanced', 'scientific' nations . . . duh :o


Just noticed we're short on photos - dear dear - was going to post a couple of ex-s but by the above logic they might not relish having their photos posted, much less on a board that specialises in putas lol. So here's a little gymnastic work instead ;)

Drgn
11-30-09, 18:51
Too much! Here's a man who sat in the back of a plane for half the night and got miraculously transformed in his own mind into an interesting person.

Let’s agree on a few things. You and I have never met. I know nothing about your lifestyle just as you know nothing about mine. I know nothing about your skills and experiences, just as you know nothing about mine. I know nothing about your financial resources, just as you know nothing about mine. Can we agree on this? Good, moving on.

Your response to my post just means you and I play the game at a different level. Nothing more, nothing less. The purpose of my original post was to point out that there ARE different levels to the game, which I believe was the core of the disagreement between Prosal and Sperto. They are both right, just in different contexts. If you are the kind of guy who is still struggling with the early stages of the game, then I completely understand how some of my posts could “strain credulity”. I had the good fortune of meeting someone who’s skills, beliefs, and experiences far surpassed mine and he opened an entirely new world of possibilities for me. Clearly, my hope is to do the same for you.

Success with women is just like success with money. It’s easier to make a million dollars when you know how, then it is to make a $100 when you don’t. It’s easier to sleep with a 10 when you know how, then it is to get a 5 when you don’t. Pimps, players, and pick-up artists experience sexual abundance the same way the wealthy experience financial abundance, ie there is ALWAYS a next level. When you reach the point where you’re getting consistent results with non-pro’s (assume that’s what I’m referring to from now on), you start looking for ways to challenge yourself and improve. For example, if you normally date 7’s, then you start improving the quality to 8’s, 9’s and 10’s. If it usually takes a week to close, then you work on getting it done in a day or two with the real goal being the same night. Then you start getting really specific, like saying for the next two weeks I’m only going to talk to blondes with D-cups or brunettes with glasses, or short redheads, etc.

You realize men are attracted to visual cues while women are attracted to BEHAVIORAL cues. When you truly grasp that, you can go into any environment and get attraction. Also, in any environment, you’ll find that if the men tend to be “X”, then the women start wishing they were a little more “Y”. You display some “X” for familiarity, then throw in some “Y” for attraction. You’re using the familiar as a bridge to the unfamiliar. For example, I’ve been in environments where the men were affluent, but wusses. You display the affluence (familiar) and throw in some devilish/mischievous behavior (unfamiliar) for attraction. Or in working-class environments where the men were macho, you display the underlying strength and attitude with your body language (familiar) while throwing in some sophistication with your verbal language and style of dress (unfamiliar).

You then become very good at creating an intense emotional connection quickly with your language. Why? Because for many women that’s part of their strategy for sexual fulfillment. You’ll notice women always use the word “connection” when talking to their friends about a new guy. When a woman feels attraction and an emotional connection, sex is the natural next step for her, like water running downhill.

Next, you want to become very good at blowing her fuses sexually. You’ll find most women are not fulfilled sexually and that is a way to create a transformational experience for her. And sexual conditioning enables you to completely control the “relationship”, however long it lasts. (One of my ex’s was conditioned to have an orgasm when we kissed…useful tool in the middle of an argument…)

Notice, at no point did I mention looks or money, because it doesn’t matter at those stages. However, it’s REALLY important at the next level…working the SOCIAL NETWORK. Why? Because money is the first gatekeeper. (Bear in mind, when I say looks, I’m referring to your sense of style, not genetics.) For example, if you want to work the VIP room at a hot club, then you’re going to ante up the $1,000 plus for a table. And for your presence to matter, you have to do it consistently over a few weeks. During that time, you want to get to know the manager, promoter, doorman, and owner if possible. You also want to become friends with other cool guys in the scene. Why is this important? They are the NEXT round of gatekeepers. They provide access to the AFTER parties. Once you’re in the after parties, you again get to know the promoters, doorman, cool guys, etc. Again, why is this important? Because, they are the NEXT round of gatekeepers for the HOUSE parties, and private events. It’s going to cost you all along because you have to look the part and act the part, i.e. money is not an issue. You will also be interacting with women to help build your social proof. Be aware your value goes up at each stage because you must be either really rich or really well-connected, or both, to have access. The women will also tend to become more attractive at each stage because of the screening by the gatekeepers.

And finally, if you’ve done all of that right, you will encounter the HVT’s, or High Value Targets, at the house parties/private events. Let’s recap: you’ve been socially proofed because you’re at the event in the first place. You have both men and women in the scene vouching for you as a cool guy. Plus, you’re obviously not broke. Why are these important? Because, the FINAL round of gatekeepers will be the HVT’s entourage. At this point, just keep doing what you’ve been doing and see what happens. Make friends and be a cool guy. Your level of success with the HVT will come down to your skills. The purpose of this PROCESS is to get you ACCESS. Just remember, it IS a process and doesn’t happen overnight.

Now, I’m fully aware that this post will make absolutely no sense to most guys here. That’s both understood and expected. However, there are some guys out there who’ve reached the point where they’re looking for the next level or next adventure. For them, I hope this helps.
DRGN

Sperto
11-30-09, 20:16
Drgn,
Thank your sharing your strategy. I found it interesting, even though it's not my cup of tea. The procedure is to technical and time- and money-wasting to suit me, but then I don't f**k celebrities.

So have you practiced it in Brazil and succeding in nailing any celebrity, model or playboy girl?

Eros74
11-30-09, 20:48
I start to read his books not long time ago, I would like to know the opinion of the others here and if somebody tried them, cause to me they seem enough wise to be true.

Jan 156
11-30-09, 21:33
I start to read his books not long time ago, I would like to know the opinion of the others here and if somebody tried them, cause to me they seem enough wise to be true.

My opinion? it's all grist to the mill. But seriously? Stick to Ross Jeffries. Use him as a stepping stone to the likes of Grinder and Bandler that invented (or discovered) all this stuff. (At least RJ understands the principles behind it.) The others mostly offer 'tips' that work fine for them. A bit like listening to someone who's successful in anything (mostly they may only have a vague idea of why they're successful - but then like to charge for impressive tips.)

Learning the 'game' is only half the answer - as Neil Strauss discovered. It's ok as a tool, a technology, a 'science.'. But science alone don't build beautiful buildings, write inspiring songs, or form connections with the opposite sex that make ze earth move. (Just my opinion.)

And do try not to give him (or worse - any of his emulators) all your cash lol ;) ;)

Bravo
11-30-09, 22:24
One thing I have noticed about Brazilian men is that they have girlfriends. They do not date. That does not mean that they do not cheat, but that they have a main girlfriend whom they present to the family. It is not proper to be seen in public with one girl Friday night and another Saturday night. Interestingly, this week it may be one girl and next week another but there IS a girlfriend.

If you are with one girl she will accept (not like, but accept) that you have been with another girl in private. Just do not embarrass her by being seen in public with another woman (hence, the termas).



I had a regular girl that I was seeing and we had a major blowup over this. We were talking on the phone and she asked me if she could call me her boyfriend when she introduced me to her friends that weekend. I started laughing and said "Boyfriend? We have only gone out on three dates! LOL" She got pissed and said "You are not serious! You are not serious! You just want to waste my time!"

No matter how hard I tried to explain to her that we barely knew each other and that we couldnt call each other boyfriend/girlfriend just yet, she didnt want to hear it. She insisted that I was just playing with her and I wasnt being serious about her feelings. At first I thought she was just crazy, but now I see that its a cultural difference.

Jan 156
12-01-09, 00:16
she could call me her boyfriend when she introduced me to her friends that weekend . . . No matter how hard I tried to explain to her that we barely knew each other and that we couldnt call each other boyfriend/girlfriend just yet, she didnt want to hear it. She insisted that I was just playing with her and I wasnt being serious about her feelings. At first I thought she was just crazy, but now I see that its a cultural difference.
Yep, that would be pretty insulting where I live too. It's kinda weird, cos the little i know of American customs, I'm thinking it would be quite respectful, taking it slowly and so on.

Golfinho
12-01-09, 00:31
Let's agree on a few things. You and I have never met. I know nothing about your lifestyle just as you know nothing about mine. I know nothing about your skills and experiences, just as you know nothing about mine. I know nothing about your financial resources, just as you know nothing about mine. Can we agree on this? Good, moving on.

Your response to my post just means you and I play the game at a different level. Nothing more, nothing less. The purpose of my original post was to point out that there ARE different levels to the game, which I believe was the core of the disagreement between Prosal and Sperto. They are both right, just in different contexts. If you are the kind of guy who is still struggling with the early stages of the game, then I completely understand how some of my posts could "strain credulity". I had the good fortune of meeting someone who's skills, beliefs, and experiences far surpassed mine and he opened an entirely new world of possibilities for me. Clearly, my hope is to do the same for you.

Success with women is just like success with money. It's easier to make a million dollars when you know how, then it is to make a $100 when you don't. It's easier to sleep with a 10 when you know how, then it is to get a 5 when you don't. Pimps, players, and pick-up artists experience sexual abundance the same way the wealthy experience financial abundance, ie there is ALWAYS a next level. When you reach the point where you're getting consistent results with non-pro's (assume that's what I'm referring to from now on), you start looking for ways to challenge yourself and improve. For example, if you normally date 7's, then you start improving the quality to 8's, 9's and 10's. If it usually takes a week to close, then you work on getting it done in a day or two with the real goal being the same night. Then you start getting really specific, like saying for the next two weeks I'm only going to talk to blondes with D-cups or brunettes with glasses, or short redheads, etc.

You realize men are attracted to visual cues while women are attracted to BEHAVIORAL cues. When you truly grasp that, you can go into any environment and get attraction. Also, in any environment, you'll find that if the men tend to be "X", then the women start wishing they were a little more "Y". You display some "X" for familiarity, then throw in some "Y" for attraction. You're using the familiar as a bridge to the unfamiliar. For example, I've been in environments where the men were affluent, but wusses. You display the affluence (familiar) and throw in some devilish/mischievous behavior (unfamiliar) for attraction. Or in working-class environments where the men were macho, you display the underlying strength and attitude with your body language (familiar) while throwing in some sophistication with your verbal language and style of dress (unfamiliar).

You then become very good at creating an intense emotional connection quickly with your language. Why? Because for many women that's part of their strategy for sexual fulfillment. You'll notice women always use the word "connection" when talking to their friends about a new guy. When a woman feels attraction and an emotional connection, sex is the natural next step for her, like water running downhill.

Next, you want to become very good at blowing her fuses sexually. You'll find most women are not fulfilled sexually and that is a way to create a transformational experience for her. And sexual conditioning enables you to completely control the "relationship", however long it lasts. (One of my ex's was conditioned to have an orgasm when we kissed useful tool in the middle of an argument)

Notice, at no point did I mention looks or money, because it doesn't matter at those stages. However, it's REALLY important at the next level working the SOCIAL NETWORK. Why? Because money is the first gatekeeper. (Bear in mind, when I say looks, I'm referring to your sense of style, not genetics.) For example, if you want to work the VIP room at a hot club, then you're going to ante up the $1, 000 plus for a table. And for your presence to matter, you have to do it consistently over a few weeks. During that time, you want to get to know the manager, promoter, doorman, and owner if possible. You also want to become friends with other cool guys in the scene. Why is this important? They are the NEXT round of gatekeepers. They provide access to the AFTER parties. Once you're in the after parties, you again get to know the promoters, doorman, cool guys, etc. Again, why is this important? Because, they are the NEXT round of gatekeepers for the HOUSE parties, and private events. It's going to cost you all along because you have to look the part and act the part, I. E. Money is not an issue. You will also be interacting with women to help build your social proof. Be aware your value goes up at each stage because you must be either really rich or really well-connected, or both, to have access. The women will also tend to become more attractive at each stage because of the screening by the gatekeepers.

And finally, if you've done all of that right, you will encounter the HVT's, or High Value Targets, at the house parties/private events. Let's recap: you've been socially proofed because you're at the event in the first place. You have both men and women in the scene vouching for you as a cool guy. Plus, you're obviously not broke. Why are these important? Because, the FINAL round of gatekeepers will be the HVT's entourage. At this point, just keep doing what you've been doing and see what happens. Make friends and be a cool guy. Your level of success with the HVT will come down to your skills. The purpose of this PROCESS is to get you ACCESS. Just remember, it IS a process and doesn't happen overnight.

Now, I'm fully aware that this post will make absolutely no sense to most guys here. That's both understood and expected. However, there are some guys out there who've reached the point where they're looking for the next level or next adventure. For them, I hope this helps.

DRGNNot too busy living and doing it that you can take the time to condescend to write and tell us all about how you do it? My man, you have taken too much xanax, but hey, if you've found that special place, good for you!

Mr Enternational
12-01-09, 11:00
It’s going to cost you all along because you have to look the part and act the part, i.e. money is not an issue. You will also be interacting with women to help build your social proof. Be aware your value goes up at each stage because you must be either really rich or really well-connected, or both, to have access. The women will also tend to become more attractive at each stage because of the screening by the gatekeepers.

And finally, if you’ve done all of that right, you will encounter the HVT’s, or High Value Targets, at the house parties/private events. Let’s recap: you’ve been socially proofed because you’re at the event in the first place. You have both men and women in the scene vouching for you as a cool guy. Plus, you’re obviously not broke. Why are these important? Because, the FINAL round of gatekeepers will be the HVT’s entourage. At this point, just keep doing what you’ve been doing and see what happens. Make friends and be a cool guy. Your level of success with the HVT will come down to your skills. The purpose of this PROCESS is to get you ACCESS. Just remember, it IS a process and doesn’t happen overnight.
I understand and agree with the process as you have described it. But at the end of jacking off thousands in local currency and tens of hours of time, will this person finally realize that pussy is pussy? In addition they will probably have a terrible time with someone who doesn't appreciate shit and on top of that can't fuck worth a damn. I am able to agree totally with what Hughdad said through experience and observation and I think it warrants being repeated:

I can tell you that most of them are boring, self-absorbed, vapid, spoiled. And quite "ordinary" without the make-up and style teams working their magic. They are showered with undeserved attention and have developed attitudes and expectations. (I have hooked up with a few after shoots and was disappointed because I found them immature and boring. If we are talking about simple sex (without pursuing a long-term relationship) a sexy shop clerk will most probably give me a hotter, intense go than a model or actress.

Prosal
12-01-09, 12:01
Being in the tv and film industry, I have hired actresses, models and men's magazine models (Playboy, Penthouse, Perfect 10) for various projects. I can tell you that most of them are boring, self-absorbed, vapid, spoiled. And quite "ordinary" without the make-up and style teams working their magic. They are showered with undeserved attention and have developed attitudes and expectations. (Many were surprised that I did not hit on them as this was SOP for executive producers with them. (As a rule, I never sh*t were I eat.)) I have hooked up with a few after shoots and was disappointed because I found them immature and boring.

If we are talking about simple sex (without pursuing a long-term relationship) a sexy shop clerk will most probably give me a hotter, intense go than a model or actress. Just pure, raw sex. And since we are using the menu metaphor, why limit yourself to expensive entrees, I am going to order off the whole f'ing menu. Hey, I've enjoyed a $2 authentic taco more than a top steakhouse choice cut. When I was in the mood.

I also worked a leading author of a best-selling book on playing the "game". He is an amazingly bright, interesting and really nice guy. I have met many of his disciples. Quite frankly they are geeks that have spent too much of their lives in front of a computer screen. Social retards. Having game is really all the things many here have been discussing lately. Confidence (and zero fear of rejection), taking a definite interest in grooming and appearance, having a sense of humor, determination and knowing what you want, and a command of the native language. You can overthink it all you want and make it into a "science" if you'd like. But to me there is nothing boring about lots of hot sex with a woman of simplier means.
We are all different. Some like shop girls, some like single moms, some like cheap hoes, some like models, ect. I personally prefer (demand) tall, leggy, white, glam non-pro girls with nice racks and with a definite "model-like" quality and confidence. Girls of a quality (in a physical sense) and of a level that in your own country would make them accessible only on the pages of fashion magazines or on TV screens. That is why I travel halfway around the world, and that's why my new hunting ground is FSU,where the density of top-beauties is statistically absurd and where you're constantly surrounded by girls who are worth a book of pictures and a recommendation letter to any model agency in Milan, Paris, Miami or New York.

It comes down to "game". You have to be a certain kind of guy to have consistent success with girls like this, in my opinion. You have to have a physical presence, the charm and communication skills, the time, the style/clothes (everywhere in the world, Brasil included, Grade A girls are extremely fashion-conscious), the confidence, the cultural awareness, enough money (or at least the appearance you have money), and a LOVE of "playing the game", which some of us, and obviously guys like Drgn, are expert at. Personally there is nothing I like more in FSU than the conquest of banging one of these girls after going through "the game". I kind of look at it like a chess game, and that's for me what mongering is all about.

As for the the good-looking "glam" girls being bitchier or colder in bed, I haven't necessarily noticed. This is maybe true in US, Europe or S.America (where the hottest chicks are admittedly from euro descent, part of the "elite" classes, and definitely a bit "spoiled"), but definitively not in FSU, where 9s and 10s are literally legions in every stratum of the society.

Anyway as usual, to each its own.

Sperto
12-01-09, 13:00
We are all different. Some like shop girls, some like single moms, some like cheap hoes, some like models, ect. I personally prefer (demand) tall, leggy, white, glam non-pro girls with nice racks and with a definite "model-like" quality and confidence. Girls of a quality (in a physical sense) and of a level that in your own country would make them accessible only on the pages of fashion magazines or on TV screens, and that you actually need an excess of self-esteem to find the courage to approach. That's why my new hunting ground is FSU, where the density of top-beauties is statistically absurd and where you're constantly surrounded by girls who are worth a book of pictures and a recommendation letter to any model agency in Milan, Paris, Miami or New York.

You have to be a certain kind of guy to have consistent success with girls like this, in my opinion. You have to have a physical presence, the charm and communication skills, the time, the style and clothes (everywhere in the world, Brasil included, Grade A girls are extremely fashion-conscious), the confidence, the cultural awareness, enough money (or at least the appearance you have money), and a LOVE of "playing the game", which some of us, and obviously guys like Drgn, are expert at. Personally there is nothing I like more in FSU than the conquest of banging one of these girls after going through "the game". I kind of look at it like a chess game, and that's for me what mongering is all about.

Yet as usual, to each its own.

Oh, by the way, in FSU, contrarily to Brasil where girls are not as wild, you also HAVE to be a serious (and thirsty) party-goer. In the face-controlled, high end expensive clubs, you will find very good looking women, all dressed up with wild partying on their minds, and looking for similarly well-appointed, heavy drinking and generous men with the right "look" and "game" to provide the food, drinks and company to get the job done. If you can fit in this description, it's hot flings with beautiful dyevs guaranteed. If not,IMO better skip this part of the world.
I'm truly impressed!
When I grow up I want to be just like you, Prosal.

Sperto
12-01-09, 13:02
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Go ahead Ranu Gupta, this section is already heavily infected.

Throw in some Dubai in the soup and we'll get a nice mixture of Dubai, FSU, brazilian celebrities, a bunch of overaged mongers who f**k brazilian models and a strong smell of bullsh*t.

Prosal
12-01-09, 15:19
I'm truly impressed!When I grow up I want to be just like you, Prosal.
No problems. Come take lessons in Tashkent.

Go to KataKomba, the "in" place in town. I'm the dude with the Berluti shoes and Cortigiani shirt sitting at the corner, sipping Beluga vodka, and flirting with girls passing by.

Or more simply, stay in VM, nursing a $2 Brahma for hours and wondering which nightmare cheap skanky prostitute you gonna choose. ;)


I got my share of upper-class girls ; I do like to f**k upper class brazilians
By the way, your "overaged mongers who f**k brazilian models ...a strong smell of bullsh*t" was a kind of self-confession, wasn't it ? :)

Sperto
12-01-09, 15:49
Go to KataKomba, the "in" place in town. I'm the guy with the Berluti shoes and Cortigiani shirt sitting at the corner, sipping Beluga vodka, and flirting with girls passing by.

Personally there is nothing I like more in FSU than the conquest of banging one of these girls after going through "the game". I kind of look at it like a chess game, and that's for me what mongering is all about.
Prosal, your game isn't called "chess". It's called "Second life". The guy sipping Beluga vodka is just your avatar.
Reminds me of the game the guy Gorge (Ramsey Moore) was playing in the movie "Gamer".

Sui Generis
12-01-09, 16:02
I'm the guy with the Berluti shoes and Cortigiani shirt sitting at the corner, sipping Beluga vodka, and flirting with girls passing by.



There's no need to be dressed as a fag to be succesfull in this game. Maybe the (putative) women you allegedly seduce are more attracted to your look than to yourself.

Nobody can be proud of playing a game with tampered dice. If the way you perceivel yourself, or if your self-esteem equates only with the way you dress or with the things you can supposedly afford it prooves only oneself: that you may lack confidence in yourself.

Hughdad
12-01-09, 16:15
There's no need to be dressed as a fag to be succesfull in this game. Maybe the (putative) women you allegedly seduce are more attracted to your look than to yourself.

Nobody can be proud of playing a game with tampered dice. If the way you perceivel yourself, or if your self-esteem equates only with the way you dress or with the things you can supposedly afford it prooves only oneself: that you may lack confidence in yourself.Stated perfectly. The "game" should be anti-work (IMO). It is all about self-confidence.

Prosal
12-01-09, 16:16
There's no need to be dressed as a fag to be succesfull in this game. Maybe the (putative) women you allegedly seduce are more attracted to your look than to yourself.
So wearing Berlutis or designer shirts is being "dressed like a fag"? You're not european, aren't you? ..maybe yank?..or canadian? ..from Quebec? ..then I understand, tabarnak! :)

Anyhow you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Dressing down will gets you nowhere in EE or FSU. It's a turn-off for 99% of the girls. Style and clothes are even more important than looks in this part of the world. Looks help obviously, but it really isn't a central theme with slavic girls, who are obsessed with designers goods and are undoubtedly some of the most fashion-conscious women on earth. In a few words, anything less than an accordingly well-appointed man is not a man worth fucking.

This is also true in Rio or SP cosmopolitan bowels by the way. So I imagine that Sperto, who "got his share of upper-class girls", is a rather elegant dude. :rolleyes:

Sperto
12-01-09, 16:33
Dressing down will gets you nowhere in EE or FSU... As in Brasil cosmopolitan bowels by the way, so I imagine that Sperto, who "got his share of upper-class girls", is a pretty elegant dude. :)
Who, in this section, gives a rat's ass about the dress code in FSU?
Ouch, those PUC-girls really heart you. Sorry for that.
Yes sir, when I go to VM I look very elegant indeed in my Havaianas. No need for dressing like a pimp when going for P4P.

Your contributions in the Brazil forum are so valuable that I hope you'll get your own thread "Prosal's guide how to bang A-grades in Brazil using FSU-experience".

Prosal
12-01-09, 16:52
Prosal, your game isn't called "chess". It's called "Second life". The guy sipping Beluga vodka is just your avatar.
Reminds me of the game the guy Gorge (Ramsey Moore) was playing in the movie "Gamer".
Well contrarily to you, I've actually met and chased with in non-pro glam clubs (mostly in Chisinau and Tashkent) some eminent members of the ISG "fraternity".

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=438893&postcount=537


I got my share of upper-class girls
What about you and your allegedly "share of upper-class girls" my little trutinha, any other proof than your big mouth ? :rolleyes:


Who, in this section, gives a rat's ass about the dress code in FSU?
Grade A chicks are pretty much the same everywhere. In Chisinau, Moscow, Antinanarivo, Paris, Bogota, Miami, Rio, Jakarta, Beyrouth, Tashkent, Buenos Aires or Sao Paulo.

In every face-controlled, high end and expensive club throughout the world, you will find very good looking women, all dressed up with wild partying on their minds, and looking for similarly well-appointed, heavy drinking and generous men with the right "look", "style" and "game" to provide the drinks (preferably at a table) and company to get the job done. If you can fit in this description, it's hot flings with hot 9+ women guaranteed. If not, forget about this target group. This is a pure fact in Brasil also. You won't score in Nuth in Rio or Heaven in SP when you can’t do so in Mansion in Miami, Zouk in Singapore or Opera in Moscow.

Sui Generis
12-01-09, 17:20
Well contrarily to you, I've actually met and chased with in non-pro glam clubs, both in Chisinau and Tashkent


Wow that's quite impressive! Moldavia and Uzbekistan! respectively ranked 146th and 77th (GDP ranks)

I'm sure there's a lot of glam people down there! Do you want to borrow my Daniel Boone hat, my Kodiak boots and my lumber jack shirt?


This is a thread concerning Brazil we don't give a damn about frigid Slavic hoes...

Sperto
12-01-09, 17:29
Well contrarily to you, I've actually met and chased with in non-pro glam clubs, both in Chisinau and Tashkent, some eminent members of the ISG "fraternity".
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=438893&postcount=537
What about you and your allegedly "share of upper-class girls" my little trutinha, any other proof than your big mouth ?
:rolleyes:
You dug up an almost four year old post to show that you actually got laid. Please accept my humble congratulations.
Proofs? What's next, a dick measuring contest? I pass.

Prosal
12-01-09, 17:51
Wow Moldavia and Uzbekistan! I'm sure there's a lot of glam people down there!
Well, statistically, undoubtedly MUCH more so than in Montreal !! :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BpxMhI-SyI&feature=fvw

Hughdad
12-01-09, 18:39
Because money is the first gatekeeper. (Bear in mind, when I say looks, I’m referring to your sense of style, not genetics.) For example, if you want to work the VIP room at a hot club, then you’re going to ante up the $1,000 plus for a table. And for your presence to matter, you have to do it consistently over a few weeks. During that time, you want to get to know the manager, promoter, doorman, and owner if possible. You also want to become friends with other cool guys in the scene. Why is this important? They are the NEXT round of gatekeepers. They provide access to the AFTER parties. Once you’re in the after parties, you again get to know the promoters, doorman, cool guys, etc. Again, why is this important? Because, they are the NEXT round of gatekeepers for the HOUSE parties, and private events. It’s going to cost you all along because you have to look the part and act the part, i.e. money is not an issue. You will also be interacting with women to help build your social proof. Be aware your value goes up at each stage because you must be either really rich or really well-connected, or both, to have access. The women will also tend to become more attractive at each stage because of the screening by the gatekeepers.

And finally, if you’ve done all of that right, you will encounter the HVT’s, or High Value Targets, at the house parties/private events. Let’s recap: you’ve been socially proofed because you’re at the event in the first place. You have both men and women in the scene vouching for you as a cool guy. Plus, you’re obviously not broke. Why are these important? Because, the FINAL round of gatekeepers will be the HVT’s entourage. At this point, just keep doing what you’ve been doing and see what happens. Make friends and be a cool guy. Your level of success with the HVT will come down to your skills. The purpose of this PROCESS is to get you ACCESS. Just remember, it IS a process and doesn’t happen overnight.

Now, I’m fully aware that this post will make absolutely no sense to most guys here. That’s both understood and expected.

DRGNHey,

There are a bunch of us that do not see much sense in what you and Prosal are proposing. Especially to try to bag some model, actress or men's magazine model that stands a good chance on being as boring as you make it all sound. There are many of us who just won't commit the time and loads of cash you guys require for your "game" plans. When we can have guaranteed red hot sex without any real work, foresight or planning with a beautiful, sexually charged chica for under a R$100. (Then go eat lunch, reload and do it again 30 minutes later) If it just hot sex I am looking for why go through the trouble you guys lay out.

Hughdad
12-01-09, 19:21
Because money is the first gatekeeper. (Bear in mind, when I say looks, I'm referring to your sense of style, not genetics.) For example, if you want to work the VIP room at a hot club, then you're going to ante up the $1, 000 plus for a table. And for your presence to matter, you have to do it consistently over a few weeks. During that time, you want to get to know the manager, promoter, doorman, and owner if possible. You also want to become friends with other cool guys in the scene. Why is this important? They are the NEXT round of gatekeepers. They provide access to the AFTER parties. Once you're in the after parties, you again get to know the promoters, doorman, cool guys, etc. Again, why is this important? Because, they are the NEXT round of gatekeepers for the HOUSE parties, and private events. It's going to cost you all along because you have to look the part and act the part, I. E. Money is not an issue. You will also be interacting with women to help build your social proof. Be aware your value goes up at each stage because you must be either really rich or really well-connected, or both, to have access. The women will also tend to become more attractive at each stage because of the screening by the gatekeepers.

And finally, if you've done all of that right, you will encounter the HVT's, or High Value Targets, at the house parties/private events. Let's recap: you've been socially proofed because you're at the event in the first place. You have both men and women in the scene vouching for you as a cool guy. Plus, you're obviously not broke. Why are these important? Because, the FINAL round of gatekeepers will be the HVT's entourage. At this point, just keep doing what you've been doing and see what happens. Make friends and be a cool guy. Your level of success with the HVT will come down to your skills. The purpose of this PROCESS is to get you ACCESS. Just remember, it IS a process and doesn't happen overnight.

Now, I'm fully aware that this post will make absolutely no sense to most guys here. That's both understood and expected. However, there are some guys out there who've reached the point where they're looking for the next level or next adventure. For them, I hope this helps.

DRGNOh I think we understand perfectly there DRGN (and Prosal).

Your way: spend lots of time, "game" planning and cash chasing after models, actresses and playboy models that may or may not be vapid, self-absorbed and boring. The reward: being able to say you bagged a HVT. (And dressing to the 9's is a must)

Another way: Do inexpensive P4P with some of the hottest ladies around that absolutely love sex. And in doing so, put very little forethought, planning and "work-like" energy into having an absolutely great time. (Dress code: cum as you are.) (Note: I have had hours of great sex with great looking young ladies that were so into it for under R$100.)

I like my level of play and my adventures.

Thanks

Jan 156
12-01-09, 19:25
Perhaps the key is not that different whichever market you choose. To many people, I'm a bit 'over-educated' - so picking up shop assistants comes harder for me. But whatever environment she's in, a woman likes to be treated as a special person in her own right and valued as such. You have to be able to mingle with her crowd so as not to embarrass her, but then you need to make her feel she is more than one of the crowd. For a VM girl, it might be appreciating her love of a particular samba school, and having enough noos to be able to empathise. An artist might want you to be able to see the real artist inside her rather than what her commercial market demands. A leading professor might want you to be able to see she's near genius but also the part that other people miss - the girl that is also vulnerable and with so much to live up to. The glamour girl, once you've proved you can talk the talk and walk the walk, might want to know exactly how you see and appreciate the person of substance that nevertheless has to conquer that world every day.

Just people. Just lovely girls. Appreciate 'em guys. Whether you pay or whether you go 'free.' The best thing about swingers' clubs (amusing but not unrelated thought) is that everyone's the same when you're just wearing a towel or a robe. All the other stuff is just getting through the locker room of the external world, whatever it is. Damning each other's tastes is a bit gay IMO. Especially if it's not even on your own patch.

Help, or shut up. The 'my gold-encrusted knob is bigger than yours' gets a tad weary every so often. What you want me to do - suck it???? We're simply guys passing time inbetween time we'd rather be spending with women. I know cultures are different - some guys really enjoy this jousting and pecking order stuff. To those that don't, it's just BS.

Happy hunting

Jon32
12-01-09, 19:43
Help, or shut up. The 'my gold-encrusted knob is bigger than yours' gets a tad weary every so often. What you want me to do - suck it???? We're simply guys passing time inbetween time we'd rather be spending with women. I know cultures are different - some guys really enjoy this jousting and pecking order stuff. To those that don't, it's just BS.

Happy hunting


This. Prosal... Sperto has made so many good posts on Brazil why be such a dick? You know so much about FSU, then post there. If someone went there and gave you shit it would be just as retarted as coming here and saying x or y about Brazil!

Prosal
12-01-09, 20:07
This. Prosal... Sperto has made so many good posts on Brazil why be such a dick? You know so much about FSU, then post there. If someone went there and gave you shit it would be just as retarted as coming here and saying x or y about Brazil!
You may be right. Problem is that I've travelled and mongered extensively throughout Brasil during more than 15 years (and extensively reported here on ISG, since the very early days), and that if all that a rather biased "know-it-all" serial poster as Sperto says is Buddha Sayings for you, it's not for me. So sorry to try to make myself heard when he stupidly takes umbrage as I give observations of the "other side" of Brasil or when he challenges, derides and insults me (like with his totally useless "your game is Second life" offensive BS) everytime he doesn't agree with my posts or feels that I hurt his immense ego or cast a shadow over his status of "ISG Icon on Brasilian Matters" wannabe.

In a few words be ready to still hear me here. ;)

Eros74
12-01-09, 20:46
My opinion? it's all grist to the mill. But seriously? Stick to Ross Jeffries......
And do try not to give him (or worse - any of his emulators) all your cash lol ;) ;)

Thanks a lot Chris, as I did never listen about Ross Jeffries, so I am starting right now to read all the stuff I got for free from the (e)-mule :D

P.S. Surely I am not gonna to pay, so if it works, it will be even better ;)

Sperto
12-01-09, 21:06
In a few words be ready to still hear me here. ;)
Thank god for that, I was getting a bit worried.

I can't recall I've made any insult to you today, my dear friend. If I have said anything that have made you emotionally upset I do apologize. It was never my intention.
I hold the greatest of respect for you and your unique knowledge of Brazil, and FSU.
I guess I'm just jelaous because you're a high-roller and wellmannered gentleman in Berluti shoes who gets to f**k all the supermodels and I'm just a bum in broken Havaianas who only gets the "cheap skanky nightmare prostitutes".

Jesuscola
12-02-09, 00:54
I start to read his books not long time ago, I would like to know the opinion of the others here and if somebody tried them, cause to me they seem enough wise to be true.

Yes, Vin is the real deal. Well worth your time. Also, highly recommend the guys at The Modern Man, and particularly their ebook The Flow.

Prosal
12-02-09, 01:16
I'm just a bum in broken Havaianas who only gets the "cheap skanky nightmare prostitutes".
Finally a bit of self-consciousness.

Sperto
12-02-09, 07:53
Finally a bit of self-consciousness.
Good, I was hoping that it would make you feel better.

Now when we have learned everything about highroller-mongering in the glamorous FSU maybe we can move back on track to Brazil?

JohnnyBraz
12-02-09, 08:02
Good, I was hoping that it would make you feel better.

Now when we have learned everything about highroller-mongering in the glamorous FSU maybe we can move back on track to Brazil?Let's move back to Brazil. I am hoping that Jackson will give Prosal his own thread 'FSU in Brazil forum'.

Sprite13
12-02-09, 08:36
Drgn, Chris, Hughdad, thanks for some quality posts displaying the different sides of the coin or as has been referred to earlier in this thread, the game. Quite an informative read. Both sides have their pros and cons. I guess it is fun to be dressing up and going after the filet mignon and the models and other patricinhas. But after a while, their BS and boring side are too much of a down side to take. And that's when a girl of a more humbler class can be a more interesting prospect.

Sperto and Prosal, thanks for the entertainment!You guys should get your own thread and let the rest of us, enjoy the show with a cold one in hand. :D

Hughdad
12-02-09, 09:31
Drgn, Chris, Hughdad, thanks for some quality posts displaying the different sides of the coin or as has been referred to earlier in this thread, the game. Quite an informative read. Both sides have their pros and cons. I guess it is fun to be dressing up and going after the filet mignon and the models and other patricinhas. But after a while, their BS and boring side are too much of a down side to take. And that's when a girl of a more humbler class can be a more interesting prospect.

Sperto and Prosal, thanks for the entertainment!You guys should get your own thread and let the rest of us, enjoy the show with a cold one in hand. :DI know this the "Non-Pros" thread - but I kept reading posts about spending lots of time and cash to chase High Value Targets. More time and money than I would ever spend mongering for beautiful ladies. Especially knowing that (from my own experiences) that the model and actress targets really aren't that interesting. Again those are my experiences and my personal tastes. To some, that HVT "game" may have appeal to some and they may find the ladies to be extremely interesting. So my apologies for writing about P4P here - but it was really sounding that this HVT game had a huge price tag (remember time is money too) and I wanted to make a small comparison.

To me it is very interesting that a whole "cottage" industry has blossomed around the "game". An industry that I can only seeing growing as more guys grow up totally in front of their computers and living virtual existences. These guys are really social retards.

Prosal
12-06-09, 11:28
But after a while, their BS and boring side are too much of a down side to take. And that's when a girl of a more humbler class can be a more interesting prospect.
That's caricatural.

What do "lower class" girls want when they get involved in a relationship with a foreigner? (I'm not talking about piranhas who search short-time sponsors for nights out in town) .. undoubtedly more than just some casual sex. They can have any day hot flings or fun adventures with their fellow countrymen. With foreigners they are more demanding. They put high expectations in a relationship with a gringo. They are looking for a way to escape their social situation, to improve their status. For those girls, a gringo boyfriend, perhaps even husband, or father for their child if they have one (and in Brasil, most 16+ lower class girls DO have childs) is like winning the lottery. Don't fool yourselves. Lower class girls in Brasil don't fuk you because of your charm or your game, but because they see benefit in doing so.

Personally I find that lower class girls often put in the relationship to much demands and more emotional baggage I am ready to carry. I have ceased to pursue this kind of affair. Lower class girls are too clingy. Contrarily, the higher class girls (once more, I'm not talking about piranhas) often put out some of the best uninhibited and UNCOMPLICATED sex. They usually have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and only feel they need hot adventures (with similarly well-appointed men of same cultural and lifestyle level and with the right look and style) otherwise they are missing out on life. And they don't expect the relationship to last forever nor to take any benefit from it, but just to enjoy the ride. As for upper class girls being bitchier or greedier or more boring, I haven't necessarily noticed that, and I find this statement rather ridiculous. In fact I've noticed exactly the opposite, both in Brasil, in Asia and in FSU.

Sperto
12-06-09, 15:47
That's caricatural.

What do "lower class" girls want when they get involved in a relationship with a foreigner? (I'm not talking about piranhas who search short-time sponsors for nights out in town) ... undoubtedly more than just some casual sex. They can have any day hot flings or fun adventures with their fellow countrymen. With foreigners they are demanding. They put high expectations in a relationship with a gringo. They are looking for a way to escape their social situation, to improve their status. For those girls, a gringo boyfriend, perhaps even husband, or father for their child if they have one (and in Brasil, most 16+ lower class girls DO have childs) is like winning the lottery. Don't fool yourselves. Lower class girls in Brasil don't fuk you because of your charm or your game, but because they see benefit in doing so.

Personally I find that lower class girls often put in the relationship to much demands and in any way more emotional bagage I am ready to carry. I have ceased to pursue this kind of affair. Lower class girls are too clingy. Contrarily, the higher class girls (once more,I'm not talking about piranhas)often put out some of the best uninhibited and UNCOMPLICATED sex. They usually have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and only feel they need hot adventures (with similarly well-appointed men of same cultural and lifestyle level and with the right look and style) otherwise they are missing out on life. They don't expect the relationship to last forever nor to take any benefit from it, but just to enjoy the ride. As for upper class girls being bitchier or greedier or more boring, I haven't necessarily noticed that. In fact I have noticed exactly the opposite, both in Brasil, in Asia and in FSU.
"Don't fool yourselves. Lower class girls in Brasil don't fuk you because of your charm or your game..."

We all speak out of our own experiences. Sprite13 and many others here have had pleasant experiences with non-pro's in Brazil. It's obviously that your experiences with non-pro's in Brazil havn't been successful.

Your preaching that brazilian non-pro's don't like to have sex with gringos, seems a bit silly when so many of us knows that's not true. It's like saying "I didn't catch any fish. That means that there are no fish in the lake, even though the other fishermen got their buckets full of fish."

Mangera
12-06-09, 17:45
"Don't fool yourselves. Lower class girls in Brasil don't fuk you because of your charm or your game..."

We all speak out of our own experiences. Sprite13 and many others here have had pleasant experiences with non-pro's in Brazil. It's obviously that your experiences with non-pro's in Brazil havn't been successful.

Your preaching that brazilian non-pro's don't like to have sex with gringos, seems a bit silly when so many of us knows that's not true. It's like saying "I didn't catch any fish. That means that there are no fish in the lake, even though the other fishermen got their buckets full of fish."

In Lake Brasil......no matter how many times you throw the hook in, you always reel in something. Now, what you catch all depends on what kind of bait you use :)

Hughdad
12-06-09, 18:56
That's caricatural.

What do "lower class" girls want when they get involved in a relationship with a foreigner? (I'm not talking about piranhas who search short-time sponsors for nights out in town) ... undoubtedly more than just some casual sex. They can have any day hot flings or fun adventures with their fellow countrymen. With foreigners they are demanding. They put high expectations in a relationship with a gringo. They are looking for a way to escape their social situation, to improve their status. For those girls, a gringo boyfriend, perhaps even husband, or father for their child if they have one (and in Brasil, most 16+ lower class girls DO have childs) is like winning the lottery. Don't fool yourselves. Lower class girls in Brasil don't fuk you because of your charm or your game, but because they see benefit in doing so.

Personally I find that lower class girls often put in the relationship to much demands and in any way more emotional baggage I am ready to carry. I have ceased to pursue this kind of affair. Lower class girls are too clingy. Contrarily, the higher class girls (once more,I'm not talking about piranhas)often put out some of the best uninhibited and UNCOMPLICATED sex. They usually have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and only feel they need hot adventures (with similarly well-appointed men of same cultural and lifestyle level and with the right look and style) otherwise they are missing out on life. They don't expect the relationship to last forever nor to take any benefit from it, but just to enjoy the ride. As for upper class girls being bitchier or greedier or more boring, I haven't necessarily noticed that, and I find this statement rather ridiculous. In fact I have noticed exactly the opposite, both in Brasil, in Asia and in FSU.What a broad statement to make. Are you saying every "lower class girl" is the same? That's BS. Sounds like you are projecting your own experiences here. I have been meeting regular lower-class working ladies in my Brazil hometown the past several weeks and they are interested in learning about the world, cultural differences, music, etc. They are interesting in having fun, laughing and having a good time. I have found my differences to be a plus as a way to open doors for introductions and discussions. But at the end of the day - they are looking for someone they are attracted to, makes them laugh and fascinates them. No different than anywhere really.

Prosal
12-07-09, 11:23
What a broad statement to make. Are you saying every "lower class girl" is the same? That's BS.
Ok, let me rephrase it. I personally find lower class girls *on the whole* too wishful, conniving and clingy (most sex-hungry mongers may use this "wishfulness" to their advantage, but it's not a behavior I partake nor respect). Relationships are IMO much more uncomplicated and honest with upper middle class and upper class girls.

As usual, YMMV.


No different than anywhere really.
In Brasil it is actually different than anywhere.

The simple reason is *status*. Until you understand the brasilian status system and its pervasiveness, you can never truly understand these people. Including women.

Hughdad
12-07-09, 15:23
As usual, to each its own. I personally find brasilian lower class girls *on the whole* too wishful and clingy. And conniving. Most sex-hungry mongers may use this "wishfulness" to their advantage, but it's not a behavior I partake nor respect. Relationships are IMO much more uncomplicated and honest with upper middle class and upper class girls.

YMMV though.

In Brasil it is actually different than anywhere.

The simple reason is *status*. Until you understand the brasilian status system and its pervasiveness, you can never truly understand these people, including women.IMO, you have an overly simplistic and old world view of what is happening here and "these people". Status is pervelant in almost every society. And you make no mention of the rapidly emerging middle class. I live in a town of 175k people here - mostly working class - and there are lots of 20 to 30 y/o women here that are hard working, studying, and trying to better themselves. Be open minded to change.

Jan 156
12-07-09, 16:58
Much as it pains me to say it, his gold-encrusted Lordship, Mr Prosal does have a point somewhere, if you can separate it from the BS and patronising pomp. A high-roller girl has less incentive to better herself thru sex (unless you are a famous movie producer, for instance), and I think it's similar worldwide. But the idea of spending big dosh is a misconception. Spend what you would normally. Spending more than that and it's a bit sad.

I have done the 'impress with big bucks' route in days when I had more money than sense. But there are equally, if not more effective ways of putting her at ease. I bagged a young professor after getting a 'research' pass to her faculty library. I caught a doctor cos we danced well together. And the granddaughter of a famous musician cos I happened to be as interested in her grandfather's music as much as her great tits and smile.

Prosal's hardly a guidebook to Brasil for the average punter. You'll pick up more usable tips listening to Sprite and Sperto and people with broad experience. But much as his online persona can be irksome, no need to draw and quarter him. After all, he might be buying the Veuve Cliquot. ;)


It is, of course, impossible to say whether Mr Posal speaks from experience or something he's read somewhere lol ;) ;)

Hughdad
12-07-09, 18:02
Relationships are IMO much more uncomplicated and honest with upper middle class and upper class girls.I was not necessarily talking about relationships. I am not looking for a long-term relationship with anyone. And I am completely up front about that and my honesty typically is well-received. But if that is what you are discussing. Upper class ladies certainly can be clingy and needy. Sometimes even more than lower class ladies. They can be used to getting all the immediate and undivided attention they want, doing what they want to do when they want to it, of being spoiled.

I say it is a case of choosing your poison.

Hughdad
12-07-09, 18:05
I have done the 'impress with big bucks' route in days when I had more money than sense. But there are equally, if not more effective ways of putting her at ease. I bagged a young professor after getting a 'research' pass to her faculty library. I caught a doctor cos we danced well together. And the granddaughter of a famous musician cos I happened to be as interested in her grandfather's music as much as her great tits and smile.You used your personality, cunny, confidence and personality to win them over. (Love that last line. Ain't nothing like a great set of natural tits is there?)

Golfinho
12-08-09, 03:14
I was not necessarily talking about relationships. I am not looking for a long-term relationship with anyone. And I am completely up front about that and my honesty typically is well-received. But if that is what you are discussing. Upper class ladies certainly can be clingy and needy. Sometimes even more than lower class ladies. They can be used to getting all the immediate and undivided attention they want, doing what they want to do when they want to it, of being spoiled.

I say it is a case of choosing your poison.I was happily married to a woman who's grandfather was a Naval Admiral during the Military Government and who's Uncle was the Governor (or Chief Torturer, depending on your politics) of Ceara. Background meaningless. The former spouse and her sister were night-and-day opposites. Be yourself whoever you are. Everything finds its own level, if eventually.

Hughdad
12-08-09, 10:33
I was happily married to a woman who's grandfather was a Naval Admiral during the Military Government and who's Uncle was the Governor (or Chief Torturer, depending on your politics) of Ceara. Background meaningless. The former spouse and her sister were night-and-day opposites. Be yourself whoever you are. Everything finds its own level, if eventually.I think you summarize it perfectly. You cannot simply lump "all" or "most" women into broad descriptive buckets based on their class, creed, etc.

Prosal
12-09-09, 12:39
IMO, you have an overly simplistic and old world view of what is happening here and "these people".
You should re-read my posts in this thread. I've stated and re-stated that in emerging countries, and especially in Brasil where economy has improved dramatically since the 90's, no woman with a bit of self respect and confidence in her future does no more *easily* open her legs to a sex hungry tourist on a 15 days sex vacations. Contrarily to Sperto, who in his grotesque and unconditional wish to publicize Brasil and to improve his position of "ISG Icon on brasilian Matters" wannabe,continually asserts ridiculous nonsense such as "it's status for the local girl to pick a gringo" (as in fact anyone with half a brain and knowing a bit emerging countries knows that it is a LOSS of status if local guys start considering a girl as a piranha who fuks sex-hungry foreigners), "they compete to catch the big fish" (the "big fish" being of course himself and his twin cheap woremongers), "Floripa girls are easy" or BS nonsense like that.

Unlike many here, I don't sell nor buy the caricatural and ridiculous image (old world view, to quote you) of a carefree third world paradise where hot sexually uninhibited women wait in line to drop off their panties for any sex-hungry foreigner - "big fish" - showing up. Sorry.

This being just a clarification. ;)


I think you summarize it perfectly. You cannot simply lump "all" or "most" women into broad descriptive buckets based on their class, creed, etc.

I can tell you that most of them are boring, self-absorbed, vapid, spoiled.
Humm. :rolleyes:

Sperto
12-09-09, 14:46
Contrarily to Sperto, a poorly dressed, stingy, boring, sweating trutinha, who in his grotesque and unconditional wish to publicize Brasil and to improve his position of "ISG Icon on brasilian Matters" wannabe...
... Contrarily to most guys here, I don't "sell" the caricatural image of a carefree paradise where hot and sexually uninhibited women wait in line to drop off their panties for any sex-hungry gringo showing up.
Prosal crawled out again from his little hole to do some BS-preaching.
No need for me commenting on the Sperto-quotings which are taken out of their context.

Summing up Prosal's preachings about brazilian non-pro's the result will be:
1. Brazilians non-pro's don't feel attracted to gringos.
2. Lower class non-pro's only stay with gringos out of interest, and never because of attraction.
3. Lower class non-pro's are not worthy Prosal.
4. Upper class non-pro's are very hard to get.
5. Upper class non-pro's are the only girls that Prosal go for.
6. In the old days Prosal did "more than 1000 ++ brazilian girls half of them being college party girls, nymphos, virgins, secretaries, executives, Varig or JAL air hostesses, gaucha or paranaense patricinhas in vacation".
7. Despite being a highroller in Brazil who pulled "Grade A" girls by the hundreds, he now moved his mongering to the "glamorous" FSU where he is the dude with the Rock Star status dressed in "Berluti shoes and Cortigiani shirt sitting at the corner, sipping Beluga vodka".
8. Prosal's dislike for everything in Brazil, specially the women, has nothing to do with him being badly burnt by a girl in Goiâinia to whom he sent thousands of euros.

To a stranger, who hasn't yet understood what you're full of, your preachings might seem a bit odd and contradictory. Practically no gringo at all have any chance to meet a brazilian non-pro... unless he is king Prosal. You're hilarious, Prosal. I heard that you were doing the same preaching in another forum, brazzilbrief, and you got kicked out of there. What a shame.

"ISG icon", that was funny too. One, of the many (thank's god), differences between us is that I participate in this forum for exchanging information. Your purpose to participate in this forum isn't for exchanging info. Your purpose, while not whining, is to strenghten your self confidence by creating a weird fantasy image of this character Prosal who is the god's gift to all rich model-type girls.

It was a nice move by Jackson to create this non-pro thread in the Brazil forum. I think we're many here who enjoys non-pro's and finds this thread useful. I do my best to contribute and so should you. Contributing doesn't mean personal attacks on any poster who has anything positive to say about non-pro hunting or happens to like girls regardless of she might be from a lower class. Also it's not much of a contribution in this thread to preach about FSU-girls.

Prosal, pull yourself together.

P.S Quoting Prosal is difficult as he keeps changing his post about every five minutes. Relax, you will win the Nobel Prize in mongering.

Exec Talent
12-09-09, 15:10
Whether a foreigner can score with a non-pro comes down to three factors:
1) is he attractive to women in his own country and able to score with them there (has game)
2) can he speak Portuguese
3) money

If you have no game and cannot speak Portuguese (especially with the economically challenged) then why is she with you?

Brazilian women of means often travel and speak English so being with a foreigner (who has game) would not put her in the category of a prostitute.

In Rio, the women who worry most about being thought of as a prostitute for being with a foreigner are non-GDPs in Copacabana and GDPs in the North Zone who bring a foreigner home.

In Brazil, a man who has game, speaks Portuguese and has money can write his own ticket with women at all economic levels. The issue that I see in many of the posts on this thread often speak more about the poster than about the topic.

Luka22
12-09-09, 15:13
Contrarily to Sperto, who in his grotesque and unconditional wish to publicize Brasil and to improve his position of "ISG Icon on brasilian Matters" wannabe, continually asserts ridiculous old world view nonsense such as "it's status for the local girl to pick a gringo" (as in fact anyone with half a brain and knowing a bit emerging countries knows that it is a LOSS of status if local guys start considering a girl as a piranha who fuks foreigners), "they compete to catch the big fish"(the "big fish" being of course himself and his twin woremongers), "Floripa girls are easy" or BS nonsense like that.This is exactly what I think too.

I just came back from Fortaleza and read this from Sperto: "Fortaleza has the advantage of being very easy to score non-pro's", I really think this is the kind of wrong advertising that made me go to Fortaleza in the first place (and I would not go back there now.).

In my opinion, it's very hard to score non-pros in Fortaleza (I'm sure Sperto can find a way to state that the problem is not with Fortaleza but with me..

I did score non-pros there (among whom a HB10 Brazilian tourist from another town) but it was really hard work. Despite the fact that a lot of pretty girls would seem attracted to me (from the way they were watching me and all), I could sense that they were really afraid by the fact that I was a gringo. There is way too much mass sexual tourism in Fortaleza for you to score pretty non-pros easily. The risk of being called a prostitute is too big for them.

Non-pros are very suspicious of gringos there.

If you got good Portuguese, some game, style and looks, don't go to Fortaleza or Rio for that matter, go to Brazilian tourism hot spots like Arraial d'Ajuda, Porto Seguro, etc. But even there, I don't think it is sooo easy to score good looking non-pros. And if you don't, you will have no p4p alternatives.

Sui Generis
12-09-09, 16:21
Whether a foreigner can score with a non-pro comes down to three factors:
1) is he attractive to women in his own country and able to score with them there (has game)
2) can he speak Portuguese
3) money


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Bravo Exect Talent.

I think that this post sums up the matter. There's nothing to add unless maybe this small anectode concerning Brazilian women and Gringos

It's not true that Brazilian women (in general) are not attracted to Gringos (especially if they have blue eyes and blond hair).

I remember that I was once in a lounge in Rio (mid 80's) and there was an incredible mulata speaking with a Gringo (a Swiss-German). Obviously the guy was practcially unable to speak Portuguese and and was drunk and acting like a moron. When I saw this I said to myself «Here's my chance to cruise that mulata. I'm sure she will prefer me» (I was very arrogant then - and I still am ; - and I was looking like the former soccer star Socrates) I talked to her and ask her to spend the rest of the evening with me instead of with this moron. She kindly say no telling me that the Swiss-German was his husband!!!!

I was frustrated because I never had problems in my live (even today) to meet non-pros. I told that story to my Brazilian friends (at that time I was living in Rio). They all laughed at me and their answer was : You looked to Brazilian to her. Women here are attracted to Gringos.

THis was the situation in 1980. I guess it's the same thing today.

Sperto
12-09-09, 17:44
Yes, it's quite obvious that attractiveness/fitness/charm/confidence/game are important factors no matter wherever you look for a non-pro. In Brazil a good knowledge in portuguese will help a lot.

A big advantage in Brazil is that many women are attracted by gringos. Just like back home where I live many of the women are attracted by guys with latino-look or dark skin. Sometimes it's as simple as opposites (or at least someone different) attracts.

As repeated here several times, get away from the touristy areas. Brazil is enormous. If you don't want to try your luck in small villages you have 27 capitals to choose from. With few exceptions they all have a nice nightlife.

Assume you go to e g Rondônia, Rio Branco or Macapá. You will hardly see any other gringo. Because of this you'll don't risk having "sex-tourist" stamped in your forehead. This means that the girls won't get judged as piranhas because they stay with you. When you go out to a local club you will be an attraction. As I said before you'll be the big fish which the girls will compete for. This is just a simple fact. (I don't judge Prosal of getting upset of this statement, as I understand he never experienced it). IMO all this stuff about showing of as a high-roller is totally needless.

What information that could be useful to exchange or discuss in this thread is WHERE are good places for non-pro's. I'm sure there are quite a few of us who knows excellent non-pro cities all over Brazil.

The ones who only had the opportunity to know Rio might have good recommendations on clubs in Rio. Clubs that havn't been mentioned here. Clubs in Zona Norte, Niteroi or in the suburbs.

Sperto
12-09-09, 20:10
This is exactly what I think too.
I just came back from Fortaleza and read this from Sperto: "Fortaleza has the advantage of being very easy to score non-pro's", I really think this is the kind of wrong advertising that made me go to Fortaleza in the first place (and I would not go back there now.).
In my opinion, it's very hard to score non-pros in Fortaleza (I'm sure Sperto can find a way to state that the problem is not with Fortaleza but with me..
I did score non-pros there (among whom a HB10 Brazilian tourist from another town) but it was really hard work. Despite the fact that a lot of pretty girls would seem attracted to me (from the way they were watching me and all), I could sense that they were really afraid by the fact that I was a gringo. There is way too much mass sexual tourism in Fortaleza for you to score pretty non-pros easily. The risk of being called a prostitute is too big for them.
Non-pros are very suspicious of gringos there.
If you got good Portuguese, some game, style and looks, don't go to Fortaleza or Rio for that matter, go to Brazilian tourism hot spots like Arraial d'Ajuda, Porto Seguro, etc. But even there, I don't think it is sooo easy to score good looking non-pros. And if you don't, you will have no p4p alternatives.
"It's very hard to score non-pros in Fortaleza"...

I could have said that I was surprised and felt sorry for your "bad luck", but I don't. Actually after have read all your posts (some are now partly deleted, I know as I reported one of your posts) repeatingly asking about minors in Fortaleza I feel relieved and pleased to hear about your bad luck.

Fortaleza is hard to score non-pro's? Tell that to all the Italians, Scandinavians and Dutch who have made Fortaleza their second home. They enjoy themselves with pro's and non-pro's, but they propably don't lack the basic factors for meeting women (females >18 years). Even Arraial d'Ajuda and Porto Seguro were hard to find what you were looking for? Well, that was good news again.

I think you should consider another destination for your type of mongering. I heard FSU has nice weather this time of the year. Maybe Prosal could guide you?

P.S No P4P alternatives in Arraial or Porto Seguro? Wrong again.

Luka22
12-10-09, 00:27
Actually after have read all your posts (some are now partly deleted, I know as I reported one of your posts) repeatingly asking about minors in Fortaleza I feel relieved and pleased to hear about your bad luck.hahaha sperto.

You just proved to me that you are a crazy liar not worth talking to.

I never asked about minors in Fortaleza or anywhere else.

I was saying that brazil seemed to have changed its law about legal age of consent in 2008. I'm not interested in minors (although you will surely continue to lie about that.)

Nice desperate try to disqualify my points though. Relax, book a flight to Brazil.

Abzsafado
12-10-09, 02:14
The issue that I see in many of the posts on this thread often speak more about the poster than about the topic.

How very true.
Why do we even have a non pro section in the forum? Is it to massage the egos of those who think they are so much better than the rest that they don't have to pay? The brasil experts that look down on common sex tourists? A wise young woman in Rio once told me "there are no princesses in the game only those that think they are", likewise there are no kings in the world of mongering, but there are plenty of experts who know all the best places, get the cheapest prices and are so much better than us mere mortals. Truth is it's not about status, it's about enjoying yourself and having fun, and if you want to spend all your money doing it, it's your decision. The role of the professional monger should be to share information with his fellow pros, and enthusiastic amateurs, not to massage his own ego.

Abzsafado
12-10-09, 02:19
After all, he might be buying the Veuve Cliquot. ;)


What, no Cristal?

Luka22
12-10-09, 03:18
Actually after have read all your posts (some are now partly deleted, I know as I reported one of your posts) repeatingly asking about minors in Fortaleza I feel relieved and pleased to hear about your bad luck.Hahaha Sperto.

You just proved to me that you are a crazy liar not worth talking to.

I never asked about minors in Fortaleza or anywhere else.

I was saying that brazil seemed to have changed its law about legal age of consent in 2008. I'm not interested in minors (although you will surely continue to lie about that.)

Nice desperate try to disqualify my points though. Relax, book a flight to Brazil.

Sprite13
12-10-09, 07:43
Sperto, as usual, your posts are spot on with the usual dose of humour, even if it's at the expense of a lesser fortunate brother in here, Monsieur Prosal (lesser fortunate in terms of his experiences with non pros that is). :)

I firmly believe and I have seen that times and times again that meeting non pros is and can be easy if the person has at least one (preferably 2) of the following criterias:
a) speaks portuguese (and has enough cultural awareness about Brasil and its culture).
b) has game or enough confidence to be man enough to approach Brasileiras who are used to be literally harassed 24/7 by the Brasileiros.
c) has good manners (ie being a gentleman).

Have at least two of the above and you're having a ball. Have all 3 and you're in your own harem, so to speak.

Latest example, a friend of mine just returned from Rio, it was his first time in Brasil. He doesn't speak much portuguese, just some basic Spanish, but he he is young, (early 30's), fit, has game and doesn't lack courage/confidence to approach women and has good manners. In 3 weeks in Rio, he mongered only once in L'uomo, and he banged 5 non pros with one Class A girl, who's a Phd student in Nutrition, with her own penthouse in Ipanema on Vieira Souto (she's a daddy's little girl, alright), her car and a 2nd home in Paraty. My friend spent a week with her. My friend is nowhere near the same level as her financially but she still went for him and they had a ball together. If anything, HE should be the one that should be labelled as the Piranha!LOL All in all, banging non pros, of all social strata is possible in Brasil/Rio provided one meets at least 2 of the above 3 traits I mentioned a little earlier.

So Monsieur Prosal, I'm very sorry to hear that you were not as fortunate as most of us here. And that clearly shows why you're so bitter about Brasil and Brasilian women. But women (from any social level in any country) can and will want to spend time with a man, for other reasons than just financial or any other types of gains. They want to have fun with an equally legal man. Remember the popular 80's song by Cindy Lauper (sp?) "Girls just wanna have fun" LOL So chill out. If I may, and if I can allow myself the liberty of suggesting you a modest advice would be not to give all hope on Brasileiras., just yet! Give it one more try with an open heart. This time with all your worldly experience and cultural awareness coupled with your Portuguese linguistic skills and I'm not even mentionning your charm, you'd be a mega hit! Try it, you will not regret it...;)

One thing that I do agree with you is that yes, Brasil is a country which is heavily social/class conscious despite all the nice things you will hear in the midst of all these politically correct BS talks. Next time you're in Brasil, open your eyes a bit and you'll see it all around you. And if you do speak the lingo, try asking a few Brasileiros and Brasileiras about whether or not Brasilians are class conscious. You'd be for quite a shock.

Boa sorte meurmão.;)

Sprite13
12-10-09, 07:54
Just wanting to add one more thing to my previous comment:
Sure there are interesseiras among the lower class girls, but there are also an increasingly large number of them who are very hard working, studying full time and working full time. And these women have something that cannot be bought and that is pride and honour. They will get upset if you pay for her dinner more than once. They will insist vehemently that they want to pay their way when you go out with them. Now, are all these type of women really sincere and not playing the good girl and waiting for the big pay day (ie marriage/visa to a European/NA country)? Perhaps. But that is where it is ubber crucial to make it clear with them right from the start that you have no intention of marriage/moving her to your country. That will weed out a lot of the interesseiras and other Maria Passaportes and leave you with the ones that are geniune and truly want to be with you for who you are. And that my friends, is where the real fun begins with a gigantic F and where the real essence and attraction and mysticism of Brasil is located IMHO!

Sperto
12-10-09, 09:40
I just came back from Fortaleza and read this from Sperto: "Fortaleza has the advantage of being very easy to score non-pro's", I really think this is the kind of wrong advertising that made me go to Fortaleza in the first place (and I would not go back there now.).
Wrong advertising? Has the forum turned into a travel agency with free p***y garanties regardless who seeks it? I have shared my information on many cities in Brazil. If somebody finds it useful, great. If somebody finds it worthless, I don't care, I'm not a bloody Lonely Planet.

I never asked about minors in Fortaleza or anywhere else.
I was saying that brazil seemed to have changed its law about legal age of consent in 2008. I'm not interested in minors (although you will surely continue to lie about that.)
Watch out for that growing Pinocchio nose.
The forum rules clearly says: "Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to any person(s) under the age of 18 years. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately."
Six posts from you (some deleted) eagerly trying to prove that the age of consent is 14 in Brazil. It shows clearly what your interests are. There is one type of mongers that really makes me sick.

Hughdad
12-10-09, 10:26
I have to say that I am finding Sperto's and Sprite's observations and advice to be right on the money. I have a home in a non-gringo tourist Brasilian town of about 175K residents. I have been staying here for about 6 weeks now in between trips to Rio and SP. As I reported before I threw a birthday party for the women that takes care of my home and assists me in Brasil a number of weeks ago. As a result I met a number of ladies (and some nice guys too). I have been invited out to dinners and drinks. I have started to work those initial introductions from the party into "dates". I find the ladies are somewhat fascinated by the newest factor I bring. I am different in many ways. I am tall, blond with blue eyes, I dress different, like different music, and have different experiences to share. While my Porto is limited, I manage and they really appreciate that I am making the effort. Everyday is better than the day before. And it seems a few have shared some info about me as things have come up in discussions with one lady that I shared with another. So there seems to be an interest in my company.

So far, I have hooked up with a 38 y/o hairstylist who kicked her husband out a year ago after he lost his job for drinking. She does not have much in her life except her 17 y/o son. But she is in tremendous shape from walking everywhere. The body of a 20 y/o. She really just wants uninhibited sex as she has been without and does not seem to think much of Brasilian guys (her words).

On the other end of the spectrum, I have connected a few times with a 20 y/o that sells cell phones downtown. She flirted with me everyday when I walked by her kiosk right on the main street. So one day I uexpectedly brought lunch to her and her co-worker. She has taken me to a few clubs and bars. She will not let me pay for everything, and insisted on cooking me dinner after I took her out for dinner one night.

And lastly, there is a 25 y/o mulatta that works at a bus ticketing agency. She is studying English with Wizard and she remembered my name when I went back last week to buy another ticket. She spoke to me in broken English and went in the back and brought out her Wizard books. She asked alot of questions about English and I told her I would be glad to help her. I have been meeting her for coffee some mornings and she is coming over for dinner on Friday night.

All within a few weeks time. All just by being confident, studying hard to learn the language and by being a gentlemen. They all know I live in the states and will only be here periodically and travel on business a great deal. But they enjoy my company and the respect I show them. Two of them even stated that "Brasilian men are no good". And they are very intrigued in the differences I bring. They have said as much. That was just the door opener. Now it is up to me to keep them interested. Which won't be hard as I am having fun.

Westy
12-10-09, 16:06
. Make it clear with them right from the start that you have no intention of marriage/moving her to your country. That will weed out a lot of the interesseiras and other Maria Passaportes and leave you with the ones that are geniune and truly want to be with you for who you are. And that my friends, is where the real fun begins with a gigantic F and where the real essence and attraction and mysticism of Brasil is located IMHO!Sprite, the kind of young lady you mentioned in the top of your post sounds like my dream-come-true. But for now I'm reminded of a song Milton Nascimento did with James Taylor. "Only A Dream In Rio. "

I've been lurking ISG partly because I despair of finding love and I'm ready to settle for an occasional P4P holiday. My CV. 56 years old, overweight but a flat belly, quite bald, but I don't think I look too bad; resident of the Washington, DC area; retired Federal, from a position that left me unable to "play for keeps" offshore (never mind!) I'm modest in my needs, and need to be so in this area with a pension of less than six figures $US. (But I'm lonely and p****-starved).

I've been thinking about moving to Southern Cone for some years. I see financial advantage in Uruguay (favorable tax structure) but "sou encantado no Brasil. " Not just with "as garotas" either; with driving down the Serra do Mar from Curitiba to Floripa, with the sweep of Balneario do Camboriu, with the surf at Barra da Lagoa (Isla de Santa Catarina), the "Disney-Deutsch" look of Blumenau.

Definitely I have "no game". I've given up even looking, here in the "EE. UU. " I do speak some Portuguese and a bit more Spanish, but dividing my past visits between Brazil, Uruguay and Paraguay. It comes out "portunol". My Federal pension, translated to reais after taxes, would put me fairly solidly in economic Class B. And leaves me independent of "working for a living, " because I've already done that and am living off the proceeds of my past.

This would seem to leave me well-prepared for living as a beach bum, somewhere between Pocitos (Montevideo, UY) and Jericoacara (Ceara, BR).

But. Since I'm not ready to pack up and go yet. I haven't done much but read ISG and dream. My last visit to Brazil was to my "adopted nephew & niece" in Parana state (west of Curitiba). There was no mongering that visit. I haven't mongered in Brazil; closest I got was a Brazilian GDP who works at Casa de Nana, on a previous visit to Punta del Este.

Your post that I quoted above does give me a glimmer of hope, that maybe just maybe I'd find a "nice-enough" Brasiliera once I did buy my "house on the hill" above the sea. Meanwhile, I feel a wry sort of "honor-bound" not to even try. And it is an uncomfortable balance between "stiff-necked pride" and self-degradation, that I resort to GDPs because I'm not ready to stay the long term with someone who is not "on the program. "

Boa sorte,

Rick

Golfinho
12-11-09, 01:45
Whether a foreigner can score with a non-pro comes down to three factors:

1) Is he attractive to women in his own country and able to score with them there (has game)

2) Can he speak Portuguese

3) Money

If you have no game and cannot speak Portuguese (especially with the economically challenged) then why is she with you?

Brazilian women of means often travel and speak English so being with a foreigner (who has game) would not put her in the category of a prostitute.

In Rio, the women who worry most about being thought of as a prostitute for being with a foreigner are non-GDPs in Copacabana and GDPs in the North Zone who bring a foreigner home.

In Brazil, a man who has game, speaks Portuguese and has money can write his own ticket with women at all economic levels. The issue that I see in many of the posts on this thread often speak more about the poster than about the topic.What has "Game" got to do with anything? Be Yourself. A woman will see you for who you are, because that is what she is looking for. Sitting in the back of a plane for half the night will not magically transform you into an interesting person or one with executive talent(s). Avoid self-delusion, and act the same no matter where you are. Some women will go for you and some won't. This holds true no matter who you are, and no matter where you are.

Sprite13
12-11-09, 07:28
There is one word that is very ambiguious with different meaning for each person. I'd like to clarify what I mean when I wrote "game". By game, I don't mean any of the tricks/technics that one would expect to see in the pick up community. When I mentioned game, I referred to being confident. That for me is what I equate game to.

Having clarified this, in Brasil, when one of us foreigners are showing some interest in the country and are spending time there, specially when it is more than just a 1 or 2 weeks annual vacation, our stock goes through the roof with the local women. As Hughdad eloquently put it, we bring something different and that is what to an extent almost fascinates the local women. Of course, one has to be careful to weed out the interesseiras and Maria Passaportes and other piranhas.

Westy,
In your case, if you're seriously thinking about relocating to Brasil, your 2 best options IMHO are:
a) apply for the retirement visa which would require that you have a monthly pension of US2000 and if my memory is right, be over 55.
b) use the 90 days+90 days renewable toursit visa to remain upto 6 months in Brasil.
Needless to say that you should seek competent legal advice before that.

If you want to have your options open, without any commitments (that is no financial commitment in terms of buying property) then the tourist visa is your best bet to spend 6 months in Brasil (from November to April) to escape the cold winter of the US's north. If I were you, that's what I'd do the first year to get a real first hand experience of what it is like to be living on a daily basis in Brasil. Then, if that experiences proves to be a success, then you can safely apply for the retirement visa and think of buying a place there. Speaking of buying real estate, here's a tip if I may: if you're looking to truly maximise your investment and see your $ almost triple to quadruple (if not more, waaaay more!) in the next 5-6 years, buy something in one of the cities that will be hosting games of the FIFA World Cup which will be held in Brasil in 2014.

Now, as to your chances with normal and sweet brasileiras, no worries, as long as you spend some time down there, be yourself and you'll meet more women than you can handle. However, be careful to weed out the interesseiras and piranhas and other gold diggers very early which shouldn't be that difficult.

The south is indeed a great place. I would suggest you a couple of more great areas to consider: Belo Horizonte. Clean, efficient, relatively safe fairly large city. Only an hour away by plane from Rio. Educated and well to do people. Non pro paradise!;) You can also add Goiania to this list. However, Goiania is about further west, in the heart of the Brasilian Wild West and what would be the equivalent of Country Music and cow boy area in the US. It's a very clean, efficient, safe fairly large city. The amount of beautiful, intelligent and charming non pros is simply mind bogging there. However, for Goiania, we have our in house resident right here, with Monsieur Prosal, whom we would all be all too grateful to chime in and give us a few tips and suggestions about that great city. :)

That's a starter. Hope this helps in your search.

Boa sorte

Sperto
12-11-09, 08:12
Is there a "game" involved when meeting non-pro's in Brazil? To me the game consist of sorting her out. To put her in a category. Pro, piranha or non-pro? If a non-pro, what kind of non-pro?

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=589204&postcount=746

If her category isn't very obvious at first, it will soon show after some conversation/questioning. With some women it can be a bit tricky. If she's a non-pro you don't want to blow it by asking directly "will you charge me if I we have sex". You also want to avoid surprises, like she's pulling out some bills in the morning after, asking for you to pay them.

I had an odd "sorting-out-case" in Manaus in a forró club. I met two girls that were smoking hot. In minutes I was kissing both of them at the same time, and the girls told me straight away that they wanted a three-some. They didn't look at all like pro's but still it was to good to be for free. Interrogation-time. Did they want to get paid for having sex? No. Did they want taxi-money (which can mean quite a lot in Manaus)? No. Presents, get bills payed, helping sick mum? No, no, no.

Finally, after more kissing and grabbing on the lower regions, the girls told me that in exchange for having sex they wanted to have their mobile phones recharged with R$ 50 each. I heard a lot of excuses, but that one was new to me.

I left the two girls and met another girl that was for free. :)

Copa121
12-11-09, 09:45
What has "Game" got to do with anything? Be Yourself. A woman will see you for who you are, because that is what she is looking for. Sitting in the back of a plane for half the night will not magically transform you into an interesting person or one with executive talent(s). Avoid self-delusion, and act the same no matter where you are. Some women will go for you and some won't. This holds true no matter who you are, and no matter where you are.As Zing mentioned just be yourself, place yourself in as many non pro enviroments as you can, shopping malls dance clubs and bars etc and check out who, s looking at you its nearly always the girl that picks you up either with a smile or look that most guys miss, once you have that initial connection the odds go way in your favor to score non-pros.

Good Luck

Prosal
12-11-09, 10:38
Goiania. It's a very clean, efficient, safe fairly large city. The amount of beautiful, intelligent and charming non pros is simply mind bogging there.
Sprite, how hell can you state that " the amount of beautiful, intelligent and charming non pros is mind blowing" in Goiania, as you've actually never been there ? :confused:

Quoting other members (in this case, me) and exaggerating their words to publicize a place where you've never been does nobody a favor. This is called illusory second hand info.

Like obviously most info posted on this thread BTW.


Belo Horizonte. Clean, efficient, relatively safe fairly large city. Educated and well to do people. Non pro paradise!

Belem, haven't been there but Belem is filled with beautiful, sexy and easy going non pros.
Talking about storyteller second hand "info", you obviously don't know more BH than you know Goiania or Belem. BH is by no means a "non-pro paradise". Minas is undoubtedly the most conservative state in Brasil, and girls there behave accordingly. FYI Minas has the largest born-again xtian evangelist population of the country. Country which is BTW itself turning into the largest evangelist country in the world, with currently about 23% of the population being part of the Evangelical community (from a 2006 survey). Those people live exactly as their preachers tell them to, that is in a conservative way. Plus, the ratio of good-looking girls is rather low in Minas. There are very definitely gems to be found, but the roads are not lines with them. Far from that. It is definitely not hot-babe Eldorado, nor "non pro paradise" as you pretend.

Idem for Belem. Most mongers (me incl.) who have actually been there have been disappointed from the overall look of the girls, who tend to be mostly from indian descent, which means small, rather fat and with ugly faces. You should read more carefully the older reports (Spidy, Routard, JWadd, ect) before making your BS statements. Also FYI Belem has been on the "sex tourism map" for more than twenty years now, and by its geographical position near French Guyana, is also a very popular destination for french militaries (Legion Etrangere) and french citizens looking for easy sex.Girls are not naive and have realized since long why gringos come to Belem,which make them very suspicious towards foreigners, and not "easy-going" as you say.

Once more (and Luka22 was totally right on that matter), wrong advertising, which is your and Sperto's speciality, does nobody a favor.

And franckly, to find *real* non-pro paradises swarming with hot and wild women, you should go far far further east, to the Lands of The Drunken Slutt. ;)

Oh BTW, talking about "game", for those interested , "game" is totally different in this part of the world : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=57605&postcount=66

Sperto
12-11-09, 12:55
Once more (and Luka22 was totally right on that matter), wrong advertising, which is your and Sperto's speciality, does nobody a favor.
And franckly, to find *real* non-pro paradises swarming with hot and wild women, you should go far far further east, to the Land of The Drunken Slutt. ;)
For those interested BTW, "game" is totally different there : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=57605&postcount=66
Advertising, that's your specialty.
Advertising the "glamorous" Moldava. A country which is mainly known to be the poorest country in Europe. Unfamous for it's shocking situation in trafficking with human beings.

Why you're advertising Moldava in the Brazil section beats me? You want to lead a hord of Brazil mongers to Moldava? It reminds me of Antônio Conselheiro. A preacher from Ceará who considered himself to be a king or a kind of Messiah. He preached to the people, and led his supporters deep into the dry sertão to the abandoned farm Canudos. Later, in the War of Canudos, Antônio and his followers got slaughtered by the brazilian army.

Westy
12-11-09, 15:46
Thanks, but Moldova is not my cup of tea, nor my bottle of vodka.

Closest I've gotten to there would be technical-assistance trips I made, years ago, to Bulgaria and Lithuania. I will attest to seeing some smokin'-hot young ladies there, but my "attached-to-Embassy" status (and other associated factors) made them strictly off-limits to me. (Too bad; I still have sexual fantasies about this one luscious leggy young waitress at the hotel where I was staying on one of those trips!)

As for "Moldova game, " I've got that cold. So cold it's like a pool of liquid nitrogen at the pit of my belly, that "shivers me timber" and freezes my balls into lumps of ice. Which is why I'm thinking of retiring to the tropics.

Maybe I'd better restrict myself to good works, and plenty of charitable giving to foundations that keep distressed young ladies off the streets. Foundations like Punta del Este's "La Casa de Nana".

Prosal
12-11-09, 15:53
why?
Well *some* people may want to broaden their horizon. Which is obviously not your case, Sperto, my little burrinho. :)

Hughdad
12-11-09, 16:18
Well *some* people may want to broaden their horizon. Which is obviously not your case, Sperto, my little burrinho.If we wanted to broaden our horizons we would seek out the other forums on our own. Please stop posting about other countries here in Brazil forum. And the post you reference does not sound so appealing.

Golfinho
12-11-09, 18:32
Well *some* people may want to broaden their horizon. Which is obviously not your case, Sperto, my little burrinho. :)Burrinho. jajajaja. Give this man his own thread ! He's earned it!

Sperto
12-11-09, 19:42
Well *some* people may want to broaden their horizon. Which is obviously not your case, Sperto, my little burrinho. :)
This forum is for exchanging information. We all share information based on our own experiences. If others have a different opinion, so let it be.

If you basically find all of Brazil lousy for meeting non-pro's, that's OK. It's your opinion based on your experiences. We got your message loud and clear. There's no need for you going on a witch-hunt as soon as other posters have a positive opinion about non-pro's. You're just ruining the forum doing this.

Your FSU-propaganda is fine, but nobody needs it in the Brazil thread. Jackson has a great forum with tons of information, no need to mess it up.

If you enjoy your personal attacks on me that also fine. You're welcome to "PM-attack" me as much as you want, it's better than clustering the thread. I promise I'll read them. I find them amusing. :D
After all, you do know that I do my best to report. ;) ;)

The day when you'll report, as Sperto did since the very beginning of this board, about Macapa, Belem, Porto Velho, Sao Luis, Manaus, Santarem, Rio Branco, Goiania, Palmas, Cuiaba, Vitoria, Belo Horizonte, ect, you'll have ALL our respect.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=414942&postcount=1665
No need for playing Wile Coyote and Road Runner, nor flattering.
Beep beep!

Jan 156
12-11-09, 21:54
Idem for Belem. Most mongers (me incl.) who have actually been there have been disappointed from the overall look of the girls, who tend to be mostly from indian descent, which means small, rather fat and with ugly faces. You should read more carefully the older reports (Spidy, Routard, JWadd, ect) before making your BS statements. Also FYI Belem has been on the "sex tourism map" for more than twenty years now, and by its geographical position near French Guyana, is also a very popular destination for french militaries (Legion Etrangere) and french citizens looking for easy sex.Girls are not naive and have realized since long why gringos come to Belem,which make them very suspicious towards foreigners, and not "easy-going" as you say.

I'm perhaps repeating what others are saying to you, but surely you can agree it would be more helpful for you to report your experiences without categorising those of others?

You probably know something of Brasil, whether from experience or looking stuff up on the Internet, but it's far too big a place for any one person to claim omniscience, Prosal. Your comments on Belem, for instance, are in direct contradiction with my experiences there. Why not say that, when you were in Belem last winter or whenever you were there, that you saw lots of gringos. It would be a useful report instead of just commenting on other people's reports.

When I was in Belem earlier this year, the only other foreigners I saw were two Japanese men. I found a wide variety of looks. I was working on my hotel receptionist who was clearly keen, but decided to cut that one short unfortunately by taking women back to my room and her seeing me. She was a cracker. As was the girl I took back. Have posted quote a few photos of good lookers, mostly p4p, from Belem. Happy to post some more. It kinda pi**es me off a bit if you're gonna claim my actual reports are rubbish or misinformation when you're not posting any reports yourself.

Jan 156
12-11-09, 22:05
Belo Horizonte. Clean, efficient, relatively safe fairly large city. Only an hour away by plane from Rio. Educated and well to do people. Non pro paradise!

It's a year or so since I've been but I'd agree largely on that description. If anything, Belo is too European for my womanising. I mostly liked it for the down and dirty multi-story sex shacks at one end, and the upmarket designer shops at the other. The city centre struck me as very westernised. I didn't feel I had any special advantage with non-pros, even if the place is crawling with talent.

Jake993
12-11-09, 22:31
It's a year or so since I've been but I'd agree largely on that description. If anything, Belo is too European for my womanising. I mostly liked it for the down and dirty multi-story sex shacks at one end, and the upmarket designer shops at the other. The city centre struck me as very westernised. I didn't feel I had any special advantage with non-pros, even if the place is crawling with talent. As almost any self respecting Minero(a) will tell you, Rio has the beach, Sampa has the restaurants, but BH has the bars. and since all bars have beer, it's only a matter of time until the girls wanna get laid. What struck me was the sheer depth of local non-pro talent at restaurants and bars and how approachable they are relative to Zona Sul non-pros in Rio. Completely different scene IMHO. I wasted my first two trips to BH trying to hunt down the equivalent of HELP or one of the Termas before I realized I really didn't need to. Mind you it's always fun to see the show at New Saggitarius!!! ;)

Prosal
12-11-09, 22:45
After all, you do know that I do my best to report. ;)
Of course. Admittedly we're both some of the very few members of this board who have *really* (yeah, I'm refering to Sprite) travelled extensively throughout Brasil.

What strikes me is how you don't admit how this playground has changed, how you can take such umbrage for me giving observations of the "other side" of Brasil that you resort to pejorative terms and irrelevant statements, how you can keep on advertising places that are nowadays totally spoiled and how you just keep on stupidly deriding and insulting the ones who COMMENT on the reality of the life in Brasil and you don't agree with.

Once more, I really think we REALLY miss here posters like Fartknocker, Cutting Edge and some others, who, contrarily to most current posters whose 95% of the posts talk about low-end prostitutes and nasty P4P joints or stupidly enthusiastic BS about how great is nowadays the brasilian non-pro scene,posted lots of judicious and elaborate considerations about life in Brasil and brasilian people and women and had a very objective and very accurate vision of this country, INCLUDING its "dark sides".

Prosal
12-11-09, 23:03
You probably know something of Brasil, from looking stuff up on the Internet.
Dude, I've been in Belem long before you even knew that Brasil was a playground, and already reported about this place (as JWadd, Max Gilerg, Spidy, and others due-respect O.M of this board) when Jackson revived the original WSG site around 10 years ago and then splitted the site into ISG. And FYI, I've done the very first report about Belem on IGS.

Don't think you're a kind of "Indiana Jones" travelling in some undervisited and untapped bachelor paradises. It's maybe great for your ego, but it's raving BS.


Your comments on Belem, for instance, are in direct contradiction with my experiences there.
Well, it's not only mines. Check the Belem thread.

Prosal
12-11-09, 23:27
And the post you reference does not sound so appealing.
Well, as usual, to each its own. This report (tribute to Burnie) is undoubtedly one of the most accurate I've ever read about slavic women.

I personally love wild drunken one-night-stand sluts, which is nowadays a very rare breed in Brasil, but not in FSU where drunk and wild girls are a commodity. Well, you don't, and FSU is obviously not your kind of playground, no problems with that.

Once more, to each its own.

Golfinho
12-11-09, 23:33
As almost any self respecting Minero(a) will tell you, Rio has the beach, Sampa has the restaurants, but BH has the bars. and since all bars have beer, it's only a matter of time until the girls wanna get laid. What struck me was the sheer depth of local non-pro talent at restaurants and bars and how approachable they are relative to Zona Sul non-pros in Rio. Completely different scene IMHO. I wasted my first two trips to BH trying to hunt down the equivalent of HELP or one of the Termas before I realized I really didn't need to. Mind you it's always fun to see the show at New Saggitarius!!! ;)STOP Girls my personal favorite in BH. Feeelancers or on-site, like a mini-Help. Hope it's still around.

Jan 156
12-12-09, 00:00
Dude, I've been in Belem long before you even knew that Brasil was a playground, and already reported about this place (as JWadd, Max Gilerg, and others HIGHLY due-respect O.M of this board) when Jackson revived the original WSG site around 10 years ago and then split the site into ISG.

Don't think you're a kind of "Indiana Jones" travelling in some undervisited and untapped bachelor paradises.
You really go out of your way to insult people don't you? My my, you went to Brasil a good two years before me and speak like you think you own the place.

I for one, don't find your current posts valuable. But if you care to post links to the days when you, Prosal, actually posted field reports on Brasil I am willing to be convinced. What's your purpose on here? Aren't there more appropriate forums where you can practise being offensively patronising? You might be a very nice, very well-informed guy. But on here, your current profile is a low-life, over-educated and under-informed, contentious little man with little or nothing to say for himself.

Prosal
12-12-09, 00:18
You really go out of your way to insult people don't you? My my, you went to Brasil a good two years before me and speak like you think you own the place.

I for one, don't find your current posts valuable. But if you care to post links to the days when you, Prosal, actually posted field reports on Brasil I am willing to be convinced. What's your purpose on here? Aren't there more appropriate forums where you can practise being offensively patronising? You might be a very nice, very well-informed guy. But on here, your current profile is a low-life, over-educated and under-informed, contentious little man with little or nothing to say for himself.
Well unlike you, whose 100% of the reports about Belem have been about low-end nasty prostitution joints, I've admittedly nothing interesting to post about this place, except about Mosqueiro (FYI, a beach about 70 km from Belem), which is for Belenenses what Litoral Norte is for Paulistas, a great combination of natural beauty and party scene and a cool place to kick back a few days, and where during dry season (June-Oct, and especially during July vacations) which fills up every weekends with all sort of meninas, from favelada or periferiada to middle and upper class, great for non-pro tail-chasing.

But you already surely knew that, you expert you, sorry. :rolleyes:

Jan 156
12-12-09, 01:01
Prosal, you're nearly there. We'll get a (this century) field report from you yet.

A field report will usually consist of -

When you were there - ie approx dates. This is a useful reference point as things change, as you know.

Who you saw - specifics, whether pros or nonpros, even if not mentioning their names, a bit about them and your specific experience. This is usually more helpful than opinions and generalisations.

Where, exactly if possible, did you find them. Any other details that would be helpful for someone wanting to do the same.

How much it cost you.

Whether you thought it was good value for the time/money invested.

It doesn't matter an iota if another forum member has 'been there' before or not.

I know it is very tempting to talk in generalities when you've been around a bit. Occasionally someone will ask for an opinion. But mostly people want to hear of specific experiences, specific details that they could possibly use. Generalisations only sound helpful in the light of such reports, otherwise they can look like they came off a cereal packet or some other website, however much experience they're based on.

It really should go without saying that posts along the lines of, "I had such a wonderful time with wonderful chicks that none of you scum would appreciate it," are neither helpful to others nor do anything for your kudos. They are back in the "my gold-encrusted knob is bigger than your pathetic little excuse for a dick" category.

Prosal
12-12-09, 01:05
It really should go without saying that posts along the lines of, "I had such a wonderful time with wonderful chicks that none of you scum would appreciate it," are neither helpful to others nor do anything for your kudos. They are back in the "my gold-encrusted knob is bigger than your pathetic little excuse for a dick" category.
Yeah, I understand, a bit like Sprite, Hughdad, Sperto or your "done this, done that" non pros pontificating allegedly success stories ?

:rolleyes:

Westy
12-12-09, 01:47
And I feel more than a little nonplused at it.

I know I'm raw-meat on this board and therefore beneath the contempt of some of you. I came upon ISG by lucky accident, and subscribed out of hope that I might learn from you. I'm grateful to those of you who don't come on as "so stylin' that you couldn't even stumble in my tracks, " and I am hopeful of learning the "mongering game" enough to enjoy myself at least. Maybe I'll be able to contribute something, someday.

I know my limitations. When I said earlier that "I've got Moldova game down cold", I tried to edit but couldn't. What I meant to say was more like:

"So cold that it's like a puddle of liquid nitrogen in the pit of my stomach. It freezes my feet to the floor, congeals in my legs, "shivers me timber" and turns my balls to ice. And leaves me sc-c-c-carcely able to ch-ch-chatter out "Oi, g-g-g-ga-t-t-t-tinha! "

Or in other words, it's not that I've "got game". More like I am "game", like a jacklighted deer! Startled out of my wits, dazzled by the light; frozen so still that the hunter doesn't really need a rifle, just a club to beat in my head.

And yet. I don't prefer the conviction that all I'm good for is to pay for every lay. Maybe that will remain true, but I'd like to fantasize (at least) that some "garota sem programa" (or at least "ao fim de programa") might want to come around when and if I do settle down in Brazil.

Were any of you ever newbies once?

Luka22
12-12-09, 02:18
What strikes me is how you don't admit how this playground has changed, how you can take such umbrage for me giving observations of the "other side" of Brasil that you resort to pejorative terms and irrelevant statements, how you can keep on advertising places that are nowadays totally spoiled and how you just keep on stupidly deriding and insulting the ones who COMMENT on the reality of the life in Brasil and you don't agree with.Well Prosal, even though you seem very close to the reality, I must humbly admit, after having read a lot of Sperto's recent literature and seen his pics, that I changed my view on the whole non-pro Brazilian scene.

I've finally realized that Brazil is a full-fledged paradise for mongerers like Sperto and his followers. They should by all means keep on advertising Brazil's non-pro scene the way they devotedly do and should actually never get out of there.

They could even open a very successful travel agency together: BS & Co (Brazil, Sperto and Co.)

PS How the hell do I put a smiley here?

Jan 156
12-12-09, 02:26
Yeah, I understand, a bit like Sprite, Hughdad, Sperto or your "done this, done that" non pros pontificating allegedly success stories ?

:rolleyes:
Doesn't wash, mate. They at least have some stories, you apparently don't.

I've been able to verify several reports by people you mention, though I haven't met any of them. I generally believe people, or at least accept info on face value till I have something better. You don't put up, so there's nowt to believe or disbelieve.

I don't really give a toss about anyone on the board, whether it's you or Sperto or anyone else (though I'd count Euro100 as a friend based on time and so on spent together). I try to post stuff that might be helpful, which is what most people do. Field reports. I'd treat your reports the same as anyone else's if you post any. Still waiting.

Prosal
12-12-09, 02:47
A field report will usually consist of -

When you were there - ie approx dates. This is a useful reference point as things change, as you know.

Who you saw - specifics, whether pros or nonpros, even if not mentioning their names, a bit about them and your specific experience. This is usually more helpful than opinions and generalisations.

Where, exactly if possible, did you find them. Any other details that would be helpful for someone wanting to do the same.

How much it cost you.

Whether you thought it was good value for the time/money invested.
Hummm .. are you Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Mollha Omar or a fuking "thread cleaner" Taliban a la Sperto to dictate what kind of posts are welcome here ?

Your remark is fuking clueless ...perhaps you should let Jackson, rather than one critical know-it-all and argumentative woremonger like yourself, decide whether a style of posting belongs in this forum or not.

And BTW, my posts are of so FEW added-value, maybe you could put me on your ignore list, thanks for it.

Jan 156
12-12-09, 06:54
I actually went back and had a look for Prosal's first post about Brasil still on the search engines (which don't go back that far).

Seems he hated Brasilians even then (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=795817&postcount=682)


"I don't know how you guys who've lived in Brasil for a while are NOT tired of all the bullshit, lying and malicious plots that brasileiros/brasileiras use to try to manipulate gringos and to scam a living off their fellow countrymen.

I personally find that brasilians are some of the most untrustworthy and petty people on earth."

It seems Prosal hates everybody. Then, now, and probably into the future. The Brasilians. The gringos on the forum. Everybody. Quite prosaic.

But if you glance through his stuff, such psychopathology seems reserved for Brasilians and anyone visiting the place. On the eastern europe forums he's like a normal poster. Part of his fun is obviously to spoil our fun. If anyone can find the post where a garota kicked his goolies and put him off us for good, please let me know. Meanwhile it would be nice if Jackson could give him an honorary thread or something. But I suppose if too many people get them it's like a magnet for any ranters to come onto the Brasil forum just to get their name in lights. I give up. It's a public forum. Anyone is free to trash it if they can get away with it.

Thanks for all the fish ;)

Prosal
12-12-09, 08:38
It seems Prosal hates everybody.
Nice try. :)

Obviously you prefer to see here silly lying BS nonsense like Sprite enthusiastic advertizings about places where he's actually never been (!!) than my comments about the "dark sides" of Brasil. Good for you. It shows your futility, your tightness, your lack of intelligence and objectivity and your anger though.

Anyway why some of you guys are SO obtuse, controversial, pontificating and eager to flame that one always need to reiterate his position again and again ?

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What strikes me is how you can take such umbrage for me giving observations of the "other side" of Brasil that you resort to pejorative terms and irrelevant statements and how you just keep on stupidly deriding, chiding and insulting the ones who COMMENT on the reality of the life in Brasil and you don't agree with.

Once more, I really think we REALLY miss here posters like Fartknocker, Cutting Edge and some others, who, contrarily to most current posters whose 95% of the posts talk about low-end prostitutes and nasty P4P joints, posted lots of judicious and elaborate considerations and perspectives about life in Brasil and brasilian people and had a very objective and very accurate vision of this country, INCLUDING its "dark sides".

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BTW anyone with half a brain who has spent more than one afternoon in Brasil knows that brasilians are not trustworthy. There's nothing fundamentally new in that.

Don't know what "hate" has to do with it. :confused:

Perkele
12-12-09, 10:42
I've been following these flame wars for a some time and I have to say that there are interesting points of view here.

First of all in Brasil it is fairly easy to pick up non-pro's, if you are able to communicate and if you know the rules of the game. Also all depends where in Brasil you are. Obviously it is almost impossible to pick a non-pro in the middle of Copacabana, where 99% of sext tourists are. This sex tourism is seen something extremely low here and therefore no gringo in Copacabana get any credit. Move on... move on. Then on the other end there are tons of small towns in Brasil where they haven't even seen a foreigner. In those towns there is another problem, everybody knows eachother. Thus picking women for just a fuck is also very difficult.
Where would an average joe find a non-pro. Everywhere. As soon as you are able to proof that you are not a sex tourist you're good to go. This doesn't mean that you can't do mongering, quite opposite, but you need to hide your dark side. But the key word is COMMUNICATION.
Obviously there are women here who would just grab you from the street just because they like you. That happens too, but keep in mind that when something looks too good to be true in many cases it is so.

Then to Prosal's comment that brasilians are not trustworthy. Well a big poor country like Brasil produces many kinds of people and yes majority here are opportunists. They will leach on you, if you let them. I do not trust anyone, until I get to know of them. Although this doesn't mean that everyone in Brasil is a scumbag. There are loads of humble, poor and honest people here. Majority doesn't even want anything from you. The social differences here are enormous. It is not really a good idea to hang out with some favela people, no matter how well they treat you. Also I would think twice if a girl from any major favela would invite me to visit her. Its not dangerous, but do you really want to be associated with ghetto people? If that is your social background, by all means go, but an average joe here with middle class background... well. I'm not saying that people in favelas are any worse or with less value than middle class or above, just that everybody is watching you and if you are being associated as favela/low class it might be a bit hard to score with middle class women. Trust me, these people TALK.

So for anyone who comes to Brasil, I just have one advice. Relax, but be aware and, as someone said before, be yourself. Don't try to impress anyone with your wealth, that is considered dumb here.

Also remember, Copacabana is not real Brasil. Its a playground for gringoes, mixed with some lowest lifeforms and working girls. A dream, where anyone can be most wanted and best looking guy in the world.

Sperto
12-12-09, 11:13
Of course. Admittedly we're both some of the very few members of this board who have *really* (yeah, I'm refering to Sprite) travelled extensively throughout Brasil.
What strikes me is how you don't admit how this playground has changed...
how you can keep on advertising places that are nowadays totally spoiled...
"Playground changed" and "places spoiled"? Yes and no. Cities I visited in 1991, if I compare them with today there has been changes in the scene. Some destinations have been exploited and changed from a "sex-paradise" to a more of a family destination with a Buzios-touch (e g Porto Seguro, still good, but nothing like in the early 90's). Natal used to be excellent, but got ruined by charter tourism. Fortaleza and Salvador have changed scenes quite a lot, not spoilt but only changed. Other cities have a better scene now than before.

You're a fan of Russia and FSU, when I was in Moscow 1988 I found the city impressive but totally uninteresting when it came to nightlife and women. Today the scene have propably changed a lot? Changes are for good and bad.

Sometimes I hear from buddies that Brazil was better in the early nineties. They miss their favourite hangouts and it was easier to get laid for free etc. Usually it comes down to what have changed so much isn't Brazil, but themselves. They have gotten older, balder, have let their bellies growned bigger and lost their "appetite for life".

Going on telling that everything was better in the old days, Brazil, the forum and the posters will not help anyone. You can't act like an old dinosaur.

I enjoy Brazil now just as much (or propably even more) as the first times I went there. I hope I'll be there in 50 years from now. I will be the old toothless guy walking with the stick in the alleys in Vila Mimosa inspecting the ladies.

Sperto
12-12-09, 11:14
They could even open a very successful travel agency together: BS & Co (Brazil, Sperto and Co.)
BS & Co. If I can change the name to Bullsh*t & Co I know a preacher who would be my perfect ass-ociate.

Hughdad
12-12-09, 12:45
Yeah, I understand, a bit like Sprite, Hughdad, Sperto or your "done this, done that" non pros pontificating allegedly success stories?

.I read all this back and forth, and there certainly seems to be a long-running battle going on.

It has been said and probably beaten to death but: having success with women, ANYWHERE, starts with the monger himself. It has to deal with

His confidence, his appearance, his ability to communicate, his attitude and his innovativeness in getting and holding the attention of the women he pursues. I am not talking about shooting fish in a barrel like drunken sluts in a bar (hopefully almost anyone here can pull from those places).

Like Sperto says: you can't just long for the good old days and the good old places. And the ways things used to B. You have to open your eyes and feel the pulse of what is happening in a town, city or country. Sexual urge is a raw true human emotion and it is in each of us. And just needs to be brought out. Overly simplistic? Perhaps. But I remind myself of this when I am going to be with a woman and it seems to work. Most recently last night with the mulatta bus ticket agent that I have been meeting and helping her with her English studies. She came over her for dinner last night and is asleep in the other room now. She is a dedicated church goer (something someone here mentioned would be a real deterent), and came over after church last night. But that did not stop her. It never came up. There's nothing "alleged" about it. Why do you feel the need to put down my reports as "alleged"? I only share the info as a way of giving confidence to those who seek it. Being with non-pros in Brazil is indeed possible, but the monger has to believe it, have the right attitude and put out something that the ladies want. I would assume that with your attitude you would not be successful. See it. Be it. Not rocket science and I am done with your attempted beat-downs.

And for the record, I do not have 1/100 of the experience that you, Sperto, Sprite, ChristopherD and others here have. I am fairly new to the experinece here. So I do not have the point of reference of the "good old days and good old places". I am experiencing today and trying to live everyday to the fullest. Don't want to sound like a self-help guru. But attitude has a great deal to do with success with the ladies. I appreciate all the info you guys unselfishly share here for us beginners. I am going to make more of an effort to limit my posts to valuable information rather than get caught up in personal battles. While they are entertaining for sure, my time is getting more and more limited. With my work and my new dating experiences (again not "alleged".)

Mr Enternational
12-12-09, 14:09
I had an odd "sorting-out-case" in Manaus in a forró club. I met two girls that were smoking hot. In minutes I was kissing both of them at the same time, and the girls told me straight away that they wanted a three-some. They didn't look at all like pro's but still it was to good to be for free. Interrogation-time. Did they want to get paid for having sex? No. Did they want taxi-money (which can mean quite a lot in Manaus)? No. Presents, get bills payed, helping sick mum? No, no, no.

Finally, after more kissing and grabbing on the lower regions, the girls told me that in exchange for having sex they wanted to have their mobile phones recharged with R$ 50 each. I heard a lot of excuses, but that one was new to me.

I left the two girls and met another girl that was for free. :)
Bro, I think I would have gone home less R$100 on that one.

Sperto
12-12-09, 14:27
Bro, I think I would have gone home less R$100 on that one.
Afterwards the thought have crossed my mind several times. Still, no need to regret anything that's already done. The problem wasn't that was a payment involved, but P4P wasn't plan A that evening.

Hughdad
12-12-09, 19:40
Once more, I really think we REALLY miss here posters (who) posted lots of judicious and elaborate considerations and perspectives about life in Brasil and brasilian people and had a very objective and very accurate vision of this country, INCLUDING its "dark sides".

BTW anyone with half a brain who has spent more than one afternoon in Brasil knows that brasilians are not trustworthy. There's nothing fundamentally new in that.Again with the broad generalized statements about an entire nation of people. There are trustworthy and untrustworthy people everywhere. And there are "dark sides" in any country. I can take you to places and introduce to people in the USA that you wish you never visited or met. I think it is just time that everyone here ignores you as you seem to have formed a very negative opinion and are not open-minded. You sound genreally miserable and miserable people suck. I am having a great time here in Brazil (except for the rain). It sounds like you haven't even been to Brazil in quite awhile. Later to you.

JohnnyBraz
12-13-09, 04:54
Can Jackson please give Prosal his own thread 'FSU in Brazil' with another section 'Brazil in the 90's'. As he causes too many arguments to contribute respectfully on this forum.

Sprite13
12-13-09, 09:51
Prosal,
Wanted to reply to you earlier, but after reading your posts, I felt and I feel it is a waste of time. The unfortunate fact is that you were unsuccessful with non pros in Brasil and or burnt by one or several and now, you're here trying to belittle or discredit anyone that has had a different experience than you with the non pros. Stop being so bitter, either move on or give it another go but with a better attitude this time and you'll see, I'm sure, a totally different outcome.

I mentioned and suggested BH and Goiania as good cities for both general quality of the city (safety, cleanliness, efficiency etc) as well as non pros potential. Yes I have yet to go there, and they are very high on my list of next cities to visit in my upcoming trips to Brasil. But I have met and I meet daily people from BH and Goiania where I live. And quite frankly and with all respect due, their opinion and views on these cities are far more reliable and trustworthy than that of some 1 or 2 week a year sex tourist "visitor" like you, in a place over people who have lived there for years. I'm sure and hope you'd agree with that.

Again, being bitter doesn't do any good to you or anyone for that matter. Either move on and stay in FSU, Romania or other EE "hot spots" or give Brasil another try with an open mind and using your previous experiences as a stepping stone to build form there for a better experience.

Boa sorte.

Luka22
12-14-09, 07:17
Although I love Brazilian girls, from my experience, Rio and the Northeast of Brazil are not cool for chasing non pro garotas (and the country has become very expensive too), I suspect that São Paulo might be a much better scene though...

At least I trust these words from Ricker:

"There are beautiful girls all over the city of SP, and I've met so many, and they are sooo friendly. More friendly and approachable than anywhere I've been.
I have lots of fun here, and you don't have to break the bank. With a little Portuguese and smiles and laughter and respect, you can find beautiful girls, both pro and non pro. Easy."
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=960832&postcount=3387

In fact, Ricker is giving me a real desire to get to know São Paulo despite the high prices, the violence, the crazy road traffic, and last but not least... this maniac Datena on Brazil Urgente... lol (this lol is my best attempt at a smiley here. It seems smileys are reserved for older or technologically less impaired members).

São Paulo does seem quite cool for non-pro garotas. In my opinion, it might be due to the facts that in SP:

1. Foreigners are not immediately perceived as sex tourists, as opposed to Fortaleza and Rio for example

2. The city is more developed and thus quite cosmopolitan. So people are more interested in European (or American) culture and gringos than in the rest of Brazil

I would love to hear Prosal's opinion on this one..

(Yet in my view, although Prosal seems perfectly capable of bedding beautiful Brazilian girls, he doesn't appear much interested in their physical features anymore -as compared to tall skinny big-titted FSU girls- and he's probably also tired of their ethnocentrically limited ways of thinking and living... who knows ?)

Golfinho
12-29-09, 23:30
Although I love Brazilian girls, from my experience, Rio and the Northeast of Brazil are not cool for chasing non pro garotas (and the country has become very expensive too), I suspect that São Paulo might be a much better scene though.

At least I trust these words from Ricker:

"There are beautiful girls all over the city of SP, and I've met so many, and they are sooo friendly. More friendly and approachable than anywhere I've been.

I have lots of fun here, and you don't have to break the bank. With a little Portuguese and smiles and laughter and respect, you can find beautiful girls, both pro and non pro. Easy. "

http://www.Internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php? P=960832&postcount=3387

In fact, Ricker is giving me a real desire to get to know São Paulo despite the high prices, the violence, the crazy road traffic, and last but not least. This maniac Datena on Brazil Urgente. LOL (this LOL is my best attempt at a smiley here. It seems smileys are reserved for older or technologically less impaired members).

São Paulo does seem quite cool for non-pro garotas. In my opinion, it might be due to the facts that in SP:

1. Foreigners are not immediately perceived as sex tourists, as opposed to Fortaleza and Rio for example

2. The city is more developed and thus quite cosmopolitan. So people are more interested in European (or American) culture and gringos than in the rest of Brazil

I would love to hear Prosal's opinion on this one.

(Yet in my view, although Prosal seems perfectly capable of bedding beautiful Brazilian girls, he doesn't appear much interested in their physical features anymore.as compared to tall skinny big-titted FSU girls- and he's probably also tired of their ethnocentrically limited ways of thinking and living. Who knows?) If you're a "quite cosmopolitan gringo" you could find something quite cosmopolitan like yourself in SP. If you're something else, there are enough favelas nearby and there's Guaraja to supply plenty of ladies in need of your cash.

DJ FourMoney
01-15-10, 00:20
"Playground changed" and "places spoiled"? Yes and no. Cities I visited in 1991, if I compare them with today there has been changes in the scene. Some destinations have been exploited and changed from a "sex-paradise" to a more of a family destination with a Buzios-touch (e g Porto Seguro, still good, but nothing like in the early 90's). Natal used to be excellent, but got ruined by charter tourism. Fortaleza and Salvador have changed scenes quite a lot, not spoilt but only changed. Other cities have a better scene now than before.

You're a fan of Russia and FSU, when I was in Moscow 1988 I found the city impressive but totally uninteresting when it came to nightlife and women. Today the scene have propably changed a lot? Changes are for good and bad.

Sometimes I hear from buddies that Brazil was better in the early nineties. They miss their favourite hangouts and it was easier to get laid for free etc. Usually it comes down to what have changed so much isn't Brazil, but themselves. They have gotten older, balder, have let their bellies growned bigger and lost their "appetite for life".

Going on telling that everything was better in the old days, Brazil, the forum and the posters will not help anyone. You can't act like an old dinosaur.

I enjoy Brazil now just as much (or propably even more) as the first times I went there. I hope I'll be there in 50 years from now. I will be the old toothless guy walking with the stick in the alleys in Vila Mimosa inspecting the ladies.

Before I start I wanna say that I have only "heard" about the good old days in South America and Eastern Europe, shortly after the fall of the wall.

I have come to the conclusion that mongers have not reaped what have they sowed. In other words, finding freebies, fucking them and then throwing them back, chalking it up as experience and then moving to the next target does have an impact.

How much of an impact is up for debate, but clearly word gets out about non-local tourist men. No matter if they are from a Western country or not, they have left a trail of broken hearts and broken promises.

I think we sometimes forget that some cultures we visit are not nearly as mature socially and culturally as most Western Cultures. Many people still have deep connections to the church and families. Its not like most of Western Society that is almost Secular completely, Divorce Rates are high and the choices we make are often unpopular with our closest loved ones.

We make decisions having little care about how it effects the next person coming alone. Its seems the only people that care are people that accuse others of overpayment, thinking it inflates prices, when you have the right to refuse services, after all your the customer.

Really? How many of you old timers pulled a freebie and told her, you were only going to be in town for a short time and might never come back ever or even if you do, you won't be calling her the next time?

This gets around.

Yes you have "fresh meat" coming from the smaller villages other outlaying parts of the country but most of the local regular girls knowing there's an area for prostitutes don't want to be mistaken for those women.

So just what are you offering these women?

I believe some people's intentions are pure, others not so much.

Sprite13
01-15-10, 07:28
This is something I posted in the Fortaleza thread which can be also suited for this thread:

For those who are interested, here's a great technic I've been using all over Brasil with great success. Before my trips to Brasil, I'd get on Orkut and other social networking sites and make friends with either girls or guys and ask them questions about their cities (of course, on cities I'm planning to visit). Then, once I get there, I meet with them. If a girl, in 90% of cases, I'd hit her within 2 days. If a guy, even better as he'll introduce me to some nice non pros and then the fun begins. Or go to parties/clubs with the guys. Best approach to crack the non pro night club scene in Brasil as guys can be your best allies if you make friend with them.

Of course, for that, portuguese is required. Even if one can get by, is respectable and shows geniune interest in the culture/country and shows that they're making an effort in the country/lingo, that'll be hugely appreciated by all: girls, guys, people you deal with on a daily basis.

Just something to consider for you guys to make up for the lame mongering climate now in Brasil. This is a proven and fool proof way to have a blast in Brasil, at least IMHO.

Bravo
01-15-10, 18:15
I just found out that Beyonce will be in Rio in february. She will be performing on the 7th and there are rumors she will add another date and perform on the 8th too. Anyone know where I can go to get tickets and for how much they will be going for?

Exec Talent
01-15-10, 20:15
I just found out that Beyonce will be in Rio in february. She will be performing on the 7th and there are rumors she will add another date and perform on the 8th too. Anyone know where I can go to get tickets and for how much they will be going for?
http://www.beyonceonline.com/br

http://www.hsbcarena.com.br/show-extra?lang=en

The first site is in Portuguese, the second in English where you can register to receive information should she do an extra show.

Checking on the site usually used to purchase tickets, only Sao Paulo and Salvador shows are listed.

https://livepass.showare.com.br/Performance/ShoWareFrontEndPerPerformance.aspx?ACTION=SEARCH&LOCATIONID=0&STXT=Beyonce&SDAY=&SMONTH=&SYEAR=

Bravo
01-15-10, 21:38
http://www.beyonceonline.com/br

http://www.hsbcarena.com.br/show-extra?lang=en

The first site is in Portuguese, the second in English where you can register to receive information should she do an extra show.

Checking on the site usually used to purchase tickets, only Sao Paulo and Salvador shows are listed.

https://livepass.showare.com.br/Performance/ShoWareFrontEndPerPerformance.aspx?ACTION=SEARCH&LOCATIONID=0&STXT=Beyonce&SDAY=&SMONTH=&SYEAR=

They got both dates in rio listed for the HSBC civic center. Unfortunately, I can buy them online! And I have no idea how much they cost. I will have to aks someone to call for me.

Ok, I just contacted my friend and she called for me! They want 800R for a ticket!!!! HOLY SHIT!!! She doesnt know if that is for a VIP seat, so she is going to call back on monday to verify if they have cheaper seats!!

Mr Enternational
01-17-10, 04:07
They got both dates in rio listed for the HSBC civic center. Unfortunately, I can buy them online! And I have no idea how much they cost. I will have to aks someone to call for me.

Ok, I just contacted my friend and she called for me! They want 800R for a ticket!!!! HOLY SHIT!!! She doesnt know if that is for a VIP seat, so she is going to call back on monday to verify if they have cheaper seats!!
Yeah mister. I was about to warn you. When Madonna was there the December before last it was the same price.

Bravo
01-17-10, 06:18
Yeah mister. I was about to warn you. When Madonna was there the December before last it was the same price.


Shit!! For 500 fucking dollars, Beyonce better strip naked, give me some lapdances and let me cum in her mouth!!! NOBODY on this planet is worth paying 500 dollars to go see!!!

Eros74
01-17-10, 12:47
Sorry but I do not understand how can be so high price in.... Brazil ?!?

In U.S.A. ticket to see Beyonce is then how much ? 5.000$ ?

Are here so many fucked up people willing to spend so much for a concert or what else ?

Very curious about it....

It Travel
01-17-10, 14:50
Sorry but I do not understand how can be so high price in.... Brazil ?!?

In U.S.A. ticket to see Beyonce is then how much ? 5.000$ ?

Are here so many fucked up people willing to spend so much for a concert or what else ?

Very curious about it....

500 for a seat to se... uuu when for less you can get a nice "completa" in your bed (with approx the same look), buy a CD player and a CD collection...

Crazy World...

IT

Eros74
01-17-10, 15:18
500 for a seat to se... uuu when for less you can get a nice "completa" in your bed (with approx the same look), buy a CD player and a CD collection...

I love the way as you are always so practical, the less effort, the smallest amount of money for the bigger results and for all the ones who do not know you, I suggest them to check the photo you posted ;)

P.S. sorry to not yet answer to you PM, too busy to find something good here

It Travel
01-17-10, 16:30
I love the way as you are always so practical, the less effort, the smallest amount of money for the bigger results and for all the ones who do not know you, I suggest them to check the photo you posted ;)

P.S. sorry to not yet answer to you PM, too busy to find something good here

Ha ha ha ha funny Lukasek... go out for "completas"... but I do not think I need to tell you this....

IT

Jan 156
01-17-10, 16:55
Shit!! For 500 fucking dollars, Beyonce better strip naked, give me some lapdances and let me cum in her mouth!

Sounds better than her album, even if she does have a pretty voice ;) I still think 500 is high . . .

Great band in Balaios last night. And dance f*** & s*** round the corner for 26R ;)

Eros74
01-17-10, 16:56
....go out for "completas"... but I do not think I need to tell you this....

Even with 10 bottles of Martini on the table between her and me, no completa-no party :)

Jan 156
01-20-10, 05:55
Not wanting to open a big debate on this as I know it will p*ss some people off, just throwing it in in case it helps.

Kinda noticed that I seem to get at least one freebie each time I visit Rio even in Copa, which is hardly the best place to look, yet a lot of guys who are younger and prettier maybe struggle a bit. I also seem to get lower rates within a week of checking the scene, usually with the proviso, do not tell anyone lol.

So I analysed it, and compared what I did when I first got here to what I do now. Happy to share if it helps (as you probably gather my main interestes in Rio are carnaval schools and mimosa anyway).

Boiled it down to two things:
1) The primary language women understand is emotion. Not Brasilian. Not Portuguese. Not American-English. She wants to feel she is sharing emotion with you. When she feels she shares strong emotion with you, she wants to have sex, all other things considered. If she is programma, she settles lower price.
2) If she likes you a bit, she will like you a lot more if she has to work for it. It is only natural. She puts in an investment and she will not want to let go otherwise she feels she has wasted her time or whatever.

When I first started coming here I used to sit in Nog and practice my basic Porto which made me popular but did not really help when it came to getting a good deal. I was just like a good nice student, a child to be encouraged. Not very sexy.

This is not intended for guys who have such good Porto that they can think independently of what they are saying and control their words for maximum effect. But many guys do not do this even in their own language. Guys who are at that level just play it as they would at home. But less than that and I watch them - they lose all body language. It becomes a game of impressing her with Porto, which is not a game that can be won really.

I nearly always start off (after quick intros) by insisting I cannot speak Porto. Usually with a terrible gringo accent. I seem to struggle a bit and ask her to speak English. If she does, she is trying. If she does not speak English, she has to try even harder. At a suitable moment, I will suddenly speak to a waiter or a friend of hers in fluent, reasonably well-accented Porto. This always creates an effect of wow, this guy knows more than he lets on. We have created an emotional underlay. Maybe it is one reason I do not like to monger with other gringos except an experienced wingman - the gringo will always show off his superior Porto and ruin the effect.

The point is guys, use the language to create the effect that will get her into bed. Use it for drama. Use it to save her ass. Use it for sweet talk after sex. Use it to make her feel special, not the same as every other woman you practice it on. And when she texts you, have a dictionary so you can look up the past participle or whatever of - I thought you had forgotten to call - and back it up with lots of Porto textspeak. Then go back to being dumb and tell her to do it in English.

You can do this socially as well. But if you are faced with a knife and a dark street I recommend you use your best accent for starters, not later lol. ;)

Ryjerrob
01-20-10, 09:09
The point is guys, use the language to create the effect that will get her into bed. Use it for drama. Use it to save her ass. Use it for sweet talk after sex. Use it to make her feel special, not the same as every other woman you practice it on. And when she texts you, have a dictionary so you can look up the past participle or whatever of - I thought you had forgotten to call - and back it up with lots of Porto textspeak. Then go back to being dumb and tell her to do it in English.

You can do this socially as well. But if you are faced with a knife and a dark street I recommend you use your best accent for starters, not later lol. ;)

You're right! There's so much misinformation on here. If you broaden your horizons, the rewards can be great. I try to always take something from the experiences of others, and make mine better. Thanks.....................

John Cricket
01-20-10, 16:59
Not wanting to open a big debate on this as I know it will p*ss some people off, just throwing it in in case it helps.

Kinda noticed that I seem to get at least one freebie each time I visit Rio even in Copa, which is hardly the best place to look, yet a lot of guys who are younger and prettier maybe struggle a bit. I also seem to get lower rates within a week of checking the scene, usually with the proviso, do not tell anyone lol.Good points. But remember, her pussy doesn't dry out because she gave you a freebie. If it's a slow night and/or if you look particularly newb (as Chris pointed out), she may decide that you're a good mark for the girlfriend game. A woman can get a lot of cash value in presents off of clueless newbs in love who think "Hey! She must really like me because she isn't charging when she could!"

Meanwhile, while she's "loving" that guys, she's also turning tricks when he's not around.

Freebies often complement these women's earning strategies instead of undermine them.

Golfinho
01-20-10, 18:05
Not wanting to open a big debate on this as I know it will p*ss some people off, just throwing it in in case it helps.

Kinda noticed that I seem to get at least one freebie each time I visit Rio even in Copa, which is hardly the best place to look, yet a lot of guys who are younger and prettier maybe struggle a bit. I also seem to get lower rates within a week of checking the scene, usually with the proviso, do not tell anyone lol.

So I analysed it, and compared what I did when I first got here to what I do now. Happy to share if it helps (as you probably gather my main interestes in Rio are carnaval schools and mimosa anyway).

Boiled it down to two things:
1) The primary language women understand is emotion. Not Brasilian. Not Portuguese. Not American-English. She wants to feel she is sharing emotion with you. When she feels she shares strong emotion with you, she wants to have sex, all other things considered. If she is programma, she settles lower price.
2) If she likes you a bit, she will like you a lot more if she has to work for it. It is only natural. She puts in an investment and she will not want to let go otherwise she feels she has wasted her time or whatever.

When I first started coming here I used to sit in Nog and practice my basic Porto which made me popular but did not really help when it came to getting a good deal. I was just like a good nice student, a child to be encouraged. Not very sexy.

This is not intended for guys who have such good Porto that they can think independently of what they are saying and control their words for maximum effect. But many guys do not do this even in their own language. Guys who are at that level just play it as they would at home. But less than that and I watch them - they lose all body language. It becomes a game of impressing her with Porto, which is not a game that can be won really.

I nearly always start off (after quick intros) by insisting I cannot speak Porto. Usually with a terrible gringo accent. I seem to struggle a bit and ask her to speak English. If she does, she is trying. If she does not speak English, she has to try even harder. At a suitable moment, I will suddenly speak to a waiter or a friend of hers in fluent, reasonably well-accented Porto. This always creates an effect of wow, this guy knows more than he lets on. We have created an emotional underlay. Maybe it is one reason I do not like to monger with other gringos except an experienced wingman - the gringo will always show off his superior Porto and ruin the effect.

The point is guys, use the language to create the effect that will get her into bed. Use it for drama. Use it to save her ass. Use it for sweet talk after sex. Use it to make her feel special, not the same as every other woman you practice it on. And when she texts you, have a dictionary so you can look up the past participle or whatever of - I thought you had forgotten to call - and back it up with lots of Porto textspeak. Then go back to being dumb and tell her to do it in English.

You can do this socially as well. But if you are faced with a knife and a dark street I recommend you use your best accent for starters, not later lol. ;)This is just absolutely great information. Surely, it can be applied to all women everywhere on the planet. Err, what do all these freebies that yer getting look like?

Jan 156
01-21-10, 15:18
This is just absolutely great information. Surely, it can be applied to all women everywhere on the planet. Err, what do all these freebies that yer getting look like?

Yes of course. It is just a strategy. Most of the pics I take are for personal use. They vary like women do. My freebies have varied from average to awesome, and longer term and one-nighters (happy to show photos if we meet rather than on here).

Btw, sorry if it sounded like boasting - it wasn´t meant as such. There are many people on here who apply themselves and do many more non-paid encounters than I do. I´m happy with either. I´m not in Brasil primarily for pussy,* I just like it to be available at all times - like wine or beer with a meal perhaps? And in Brasil mostly it is. Whether it is paid for or inclusive is not a big deal, both are nice. This afternoon I went to a little known museum investigating the candomble-carnaval roots for instance and spent a lot of time chatting. That´s the sort of thing I plan my time around. Pussy is everywhere when needed. Thankfully!


*not that there´s anything wrong with that either - as has been said many times on here, half the board are just really into the pussy, and half are interested in the wider Brasil. Both are cool IMHO. :)

Mr Enternational
01-23-10, 06:41
I nearly always start off (after quick intros) by insisting I cannot speak Porto. Usually with a terrible gringo accent. I seem to struggle a bit and ask her to speak English. If she does, she is trying. If she does not speak English, she has to try even harder. At a suitable moment, I will suddenly speak to a waiter or a friend of hers in fluent, reasonably well-accented Porto.
I love doing that. Especially to see what they are saying with the friend. Then much later when they find out I speak Portuguese they laugh and call me a bastard. It's a great ice-breaker.

Northern Guy
02-23-10, 16:27
I have travelled almost all over Latin-America, and started to consider where I would like to go back. Came to think about the difference between women (looks and personality) and the countries, and where I would go for gaming/pulling non-pros. Don't know if this is the right place, but here are still some of my impulsive thoughts:

- The good surprise: Lima, Peru. Many beautiful women, and it seemed to be easy to meet them. Many gave signs of interest. If I want a lay/romance with a hot and "easy" girl, this may be my first choice. Rest of Peru has many indians, whome I generally don't find that attractive.

- The disappointment: Chile. The quality of women is generally low. Wouldn't go back for hunting regular girls.

- My type: Colombia. They look the way I want them to, especially the paisas (Medellin). It's definately possible to meet them, but also harder to pull than many would think. Many are pretty, and used to attention. Dancing and spanish skills help a lot (like most places in LA).

- Also good quality: Argentina. Reminded me a bit of meeting paisas. Would like to go back though. Friendly women. Not so poor, so less acting like condors. Some act hard to get, but many aren't.

- Been there, done that: Montevideo, Uruguay. Average looking women, but possible to pull.

- The melting pot: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Some say you'll find the most beautiful women in the world. Well. You can, but you'll also find a lot of ugly and average ones. Brazil has got it all, but the average girl is so-so. Fascinating place. Possibe to meet non-pros, but get out of Copacabana.

- Not so good: Guatemala. Many indians (I'm no racist, they just don't attract me.) Definately possible to meet regulars. I had no expectations, and I was right.

- A little better: Nicaragua. Generally average looking women, but still quite a few good ones. And one of the easiest place to meet them. Some of them approached me on the streets. An ok pick for non-pros, and I may go back.

- Meeting models: Caracas, Venezuela. Like Colombia, quite a few nice women. Both countries are a bit too glamourized though. Caracas women are nice, a pity my stay was very short. The horrible airport (security) keeps me from wanting to return though. Ok, one more time: Colombian and venezualian women are hot, but the average is still a bit overrated.

- The friendliest: El Salvador. The most helpful and nicest people I ever met. The chicas. Are average. Didn't spend much time though, so don't know how easy they are.

The rest: Mexico, Honduras, Costa Rica, Panama. Just passing through. Don't really know for sure how easy it is to pull locals.

IMPORTANT: These are just my personal exeriences. Since I have only been there on holiday, I might have been lucky/unlucky with those I met.

ALSO IMPORTANT: As most of us know; the less touristy areas, the better chances for a great local experience. In all ways.

IN THE END. Will women be women, everywhere. The better you pull back home, the better you pull in Latin America. But as I said, good language skills helps a lot. So does dancing skills. I LOVE meeting women, everywhere. Mongering is. Still a back-up, if I find the situation ok (not too "cynical", where I do all the choosing, and it's not about exploiting the woman). Well, these were my superficial thoughts about non-pros in Latin America. Take them for what they are.

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Java Man
02-27-10, 20:04
Very nice summation Scandic.
My travels in Latin America have not been as extensive as yours. But in my travels I have met many Latinas: Cubanas, Mexicanas, Nica's, Ticas, Colombianas, Salvadorenas.

And then I went to Brazil. I thought I knew all about SEX before I went to Brazil. I was wrong. These women LIKE to Fuck!! I wasn't fucking her, she was fucking ME. :D
For pure sexuality, IMHO, the Brazilian woman is head and shoulders above the rest.

For sure, the Colombianas and Venezuelanas are prettier. The Argentinas are more sophisticated. (Generally speaking, of course.) Some are easier to wine and dine, and pick up. But once you got her in the sack, Scandic, which group of women consistently gave you a better time? For me, non-pro and pro, BRASILEIRAS RULE!!

These too, are my personal experiences. YMMV. :)

Nyc Expat
02-27-10, 23:06
I've had countless Scandinavian women, few American, few North African, several Thai, a nice number of Colombianas and Brazileiras. Without a doubt Brazilian women are the best. It was a brasileira whom gave me my first prostate massage and I can assure you she enjoyed it giving almost as much as I enjoyed it receiving.

Eros74
02-28-10, 00:31
...Without a doubt Brazilian women are the best...

How many girls from east europe did you get ?

How many russians women ?

Do not let just an ordinary prostatic massage say they are the best, first of all try more women from more country....imho.

Bizzie
02-28-10, 01:40
The youner and hoter the girl, more restricted the service, in general.
(deoendign on what is 'hot' to you and what you call good service)
Of course there are exceptions and those are the exceptions that keep me going.
Of my samplings of various nationalities (Thai, Chinese, Ukraine, Russian, occasional romanian/moldovan, Argentina, and Brazil (French canadians),
That has held true for every single one of them.

I did a most amazing looking Russian girl in Istanbul a few months ago, but she was not much of GFE. Despite that, I still remember her as one of the most perfect asses I banged.
The averge looking girl I did in Rio a couple of years ago still stands out in memory as an excellent GFE. And then there a bunch of anal queens ad CIMs along the way.

So that's the Yin and the Yan of the balance between service/looks.
It's interesting to note how some mongers have been figuered out what's best. I am not that lucky.
I have found at least one 'starfish' every place I have been to, including Brazil.
But I have also really enjoyed most girls from most places:)

As for the coments on Brasileiras, I'd concur. The odds are better than other places that you'll find an excellent fuck with lots of extras.
(IMHO):)

Prosal
02-28-10, 10:26
Brazil has got it all, but the average girl is so-so.
+1. Beware though, you will not make many friends here by stating this kind of things !! :)

Anyway there's undoubtedly hot girls in Brasil, but, admittedly, most of those who are hot are usually those from pure euro descent, or those whose euro background is prominent. Which doesn't make - far from that - the majority of the population. Cablocas with strong indian backgrounds are usually rather short and ugly, like in Nordeste or Norte. Concerning black girls, sure there is some hot ones, but many are also fairly ugly and fat. Personally, I've seen - ratio wise - much more truly good-lookin black women in Mali (the country that IMO hosts the hottest women of the African continent) than in Brasil.

Also no one can deny that there's many fat women in Brasil. Even authorities agree that the country is experiencing an alarming epidemic of obesity, which jeopardize the myth of The Girl From Ipanema, of Gisele Bundchen look-alikes and of a place swarming with bodicious beauties whose tiny tangas perfectly enhance the dream body.

Regarding non-pro brasileiras all being freaks in bed, that's personally not what I have experienced, and I've got more than my share of brasilian non-pro ass. I have rarely gotten a decent blow job out of a brasilian girl who wasn't a puta. And I find most non-pro brasilian girls not only lousy at giving head (contrarily to russian girls who are incredibly talented and seem to thoroughly enjoy performing fellation) but also (still contrarily to russian girls) not enough in the hardcore and no-holds-barred sex.

Nonetheless, don't get me wrong, I totally agree about the brasilian putas being the best prostitutes on the planet and giving the best service. No working girl on earth can hold a candle to a brasilian puta. But it seems that most guys here, in their odes and their praises to the sexuality of the brasilian woman, confuse non-pros and working girls.

Prosal
02-28-10, 10:39
russians women
Russian women are depraved and wild. And they are really naughty. I can't count how many times when a 18-21 years old student type russian girl told me that she liked to get a bottle of vodka or several of cheap champagne with her girlfriends, sit around in one of them's studio, get drunk, and have fun as they watch some porn video, as they nonetheless also very intently study porn queens deep throating huge cocks.

Frankly, I've never heard that from any brasileira !

Also, russian women very rarely (never?) think much about condoms, as plastic is a problem of absolut importance in Brasil. Personally, when it comes to fuk non-pros, I find plastic a big turn-off. Of course, in that respect, to each its own, but the fact that brasileiras have been literally brainwashed against bareback sex is for me a very negative point.

Exec Talent
02-28-10, 13:33
Russian women are depraved, wild and really into the hardcore (and passionate) no-holds-barred sex, what are not brasileiras. And they are really really naughty. I can't count how many times when a 18-21 years old student type russian girl told me that she liked to get a bottle of vodka or several of cheap champagne with her girlfriends, sit around in one of them's studio, get drunk, and have fun and loudly giggle as they watch some porn video, where they nonetheless very intently study porn queens deep throating monster cocks.

Frankly, I've never heard that from any brasileira, nor from any south american girl !

Oh, also, russian women very rarely (never?) think much about condoms, as plastic is a problem of absolute importance in Brasil. And when it comes to fuk non-pros, plastic is a big turn-off for me. Of course, in that respect, to each its own, but the fact that brasileiras have been literally brainwashed against bareback sex is IMO a very negative point.
All I can say is "it must be you." "It must be you."

I have downloaded most of the porn on the internet in hopes of keep Brazilian girls in a fresh supply. I am not talking about one, but for some reason they ALL seem to love it. And so we are clear, yes, I am talking about non-pros.

You spend a lot of time here bashing Brazilian women based upon your experiences. Have you ever taken just one minute to think -- maybe it is you? My experiences, and I am sure that of several others here, are that we have no problem meeting and relating to non-pro Brazilian women.

I have had limited experience with Russian women, but that too has been good. In fact, I even have had good experiences with American women.

Maybe you bash Brazilian women on the Brazilian forum just to see if you can get a reaction. Seems pretty silly; like wearing a fur coat to a PETA event. If your experiences are so bad, why spend so much time posting about them here? Is it a catharsis? In light of my personal experiences, all I can feel for you is -- pity.

Jan 156
02-28-10, 14:51
Please Gentlemen, this is a Brasil forum - do you want to kill it completely? I quite like some of the posters that have been knocking it, and on the other hand I am frequently at odds with ET. But it really isn't about who agrees with who. If you've said a million times, Rio isn't what it was, or you didn't have a great time, or does everyone agree Russian women are better or whatever - you have said your piece - but please let the forum do its job, so mongers who like Brasil can give useful info to each other on getting good service.

By comparison - twenty pages of where not to eat or why has limited value. Half a page indicating recommended restaurants is helpful, even priceless.

(I've been round the world twice and Brasil is still my favourite place for pussy.)

Prosal
02-28-10, 16:10
you bash Brazilian women on the Brazilian forum
Oh well, once more, here we go.

Since when saying that Brasil is experiencing an epidemic of obesity or that brasileiras have been brainwashed against bareback sex, which are pure facts, is "bashing" ?

And is there some unsaid rule here that would say that only positive perspectives about Brasil or positive experiences with brasileiras are allowed ?

Sorry for not viewing this country through rose tinted lenses and for not denying reality (nonetheless FYI, I remain a proponent of Sao Paulo scenes and of paulistas though).

Anyway, there's happily on ISG space from any kind of opinions. A public forum doesn't need Taliban wannabes who establish as rules what to say and what not to say.


I have limited experience
That's maybe your problem.

Riofan6
02-28-10, 17:29
Children, Children. Don't make me stop the car!

Jan 156
02-28-10, 17:31
Anyway, there's happily on ISG space from any kind of opinions. A public forum doesn't need Taliban wannabes who establish as rules what to say and what not to say.

or people who shout their opinions in bold letters as 'pure fact.' ;)

Nyc Expat
02-28-10, 18:07
A half Japanese, half Brazilian woman said early in our relationship that a Brazilian woman should act like a ***** for her husband in order to satisfy him and maintain exciting sexual encounters. She proved it to me.

Prosal
02-28-10, 18:48
a Brazilian woman should act like a ***** for her husband in order to satisfy him and maintain exciting sexual encounters.
Given the number of brothels in Brasil, not all brasilian wives do succeed in this task obviously.

;)

Rio Bob
02-28-10, 23:48
Regarding non-pro brasileiras all being freaks in bed, that's personally not what I have experienced, and I've got more than my share of brasilian non-pro ass. I've rarely gotten a decent blow job out of a brasilian girl who wasn't a puta. And I find most non-pro brasilian girls not only lousy at giving head

Nonetheless, don't get me wrong, I totally agree about the brasilian putas being the best prostitutes on the planet and giving the best service. No working girl on earth can hold a candle to a brasilian puta. But it seems that most guys here, in their odes and their praises to the sexuality the brasilian woman, confuse non-pros and working girls.

I totally agree with you on this. While I've had my share of non-pro Brasilian women, maybe not as many as you or others on this board, I have had enough to know. I would say that they are no better or worse than any other non-pro of any nationality, perfectly adequate.

I would also agree about the Brasilian Puta, simply the best but only in Brasil.

Pros are pros and non-pros are non-pros and that's how it is. A few years back I met a young woman in a New York City night club, eventually we had sex. I said to my self this girl must be a pro even though she gave a good story, based upon the performance. Several months later she told me she had to confide in me that she was actually a call girl, I told her I sought of figured that considering her performance. A pro at anything is just going to be better than an amateur.


Given the number of brothels in Brasil, not all brasilian wives do succeed in this task obviously.

;)

Yeah well you make prostitution legal in The US and lets see how many brothels open up.

Voyajer1
03-01-10, 08:28
It is legal only in one state: Nevada. You don't want to know the prices for services rendered, it is absolutely ridiculous:
Fellatio: An arm
Massage and fellatio: An arm and a leg
Massage, fellatio and boinking: An arm, a leg and an internal organ
You are better off travelling and seeing the world while indulging than submitting to the rigiculous price structures of these few legal establishments. I've seen what some of these performers look like up close and trust me, don't believe the sugar coated bullstuff that you see on TV. You are missing absolutely nothing. So, go World,and especially, go Brazil! :D

Yeah well you make prostitution legal in The US and lets see how many brothels open up.

Golfinho
03-01-10, 09:25
Given the number of brothels in Brasil, not all brasilian wives do succeed in this task obviously.

;)Much higher education level amongst the Eastern European girls. A lot more going on upstairs. Understandable that some of them are going to hit the off switch when having to deal with a boorish client. Mixing it up with lower class Brazilian girls, you are going to come across a higher % that let their bodies do the thinking for them, especially girls who have no conception of what your real status is in the food chain back in your homeland.

Mr Enternational
03-02-10, 00:45
Yeah well you make prostitution legal in The US and lets see how many brothels open up.
Yeah, and then we will see how many close down on the first day because some jackastronaut decides he wants to fight or pull out a gun over a hooker. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll make my money in the USA, but I'll do my living in the rest of the world.

Ricker
03-02-10, 19:10
... Regarding non-pro brasileiras all being freaks in bed, that's personally not what I have experienced, and I've got more than my share of brasilian non-pro ass. I have rarely gotten a decent blow job out of a brasilian girl who wasn't a puta. And I find most non-pro brasilian girls not only lousy at giving head (contrarily to russian girls who are incredibly talented and seem to thoroughly enjoy performing fellation) but also (still contrarily to russian girls) not enough in the hardcore and no-holds-barred sex ...



Well then I must be one lucky cat!!

Every single one of my non-pro Brasileira girlfriends have been fantastic in the cama, dying to please, with my current one being the best of all.
Funny thing is, she is so timid and shy normally but in the bedroom scene she just comes alive.

Good luck with your 'Rooskies' amigo, think I'll stay in Brazil :)

Exec Talent
03-02-10, 20:17
Well then I must be one lucky cat!!

Every single one of my non-pro Brasileira girlfriends have been fantastic in the cama, dying to please, with my current one being the best of all.
Funny thing is, she is so timid and shy normally but in the bedroom scene she just comes alive.

Good luck with your 'Rooskies' amigo, think I'll stay in Brazil :)
Riker,
I was going to point this out, but it seemed so obvious. I have said it before and I am absolutely certain I will say it again -- If your mileage varies, don't blame the car.

Thanks for your post.

Bizzie
03-04-10, 05:59
Well then I must be one lucky cat!!

Every single one of my non-pro Brasileira girlfriends have been fantastic in the cama, dying to please, with my current one being the best of all.
Funny thing is, she is so timid and shy normally but in the bedroom scene she just comes alive.

Good luck with your 'Rooskies' amigo, think I'll stay in Brazil :)
You are right. If a man is lucky, he can get lucky with any nationlity.
There is no correlation between natinlaity and average "sex drive" of the ladies. If she floats your boat, you are lucky:)

My best one? American!

Mr Enternational
03-05-10, 08:00
Well then I must be one lucky cat!!
Every single one of my non-pro Brasileira girlfriends have been fantastic in the cama, dying to please, For the last week I have been trying to think of a bad one too. No luck so far. Although one ex didn't follow through when I mistakenly (wink) started a CIM. I won't even try to count the ones who were willing to let me anally devirginize them.

Ricker
03-05-10, 17:10
For the last week I have been trying to think of a bad one too. No luck so far. Although one ex didn't follow through when I mistakenly (wink) started a CIM. I won't even try to count the ones who were willing to let me anally devirginize them.

You said it baby!!
I'm fortunately heading back to SP tonite :)

I only wish I had enough leite to let my namorada (GF) do all the things she wants to do to me :)
I'll probably die (happily) trying though :)

I'm sure there exists some lame Brasileiras.

Oddly enough, my worse experience in Brazil was with a PRO.
She was physically beautiful, but absolutely a DEAD peixe (fish) in the cama.
She couldn't pay me now to spend time with her.
Funny that I still see her around when I'm out and about, and she asks me why I don't hang with her at the club.
I remind, in a humorous way (even though it's true) that she's a 10 in looks and a 1 at most in the cama.

As with my Brasileira girlfriend and past Brasileira girlfriends, I've found, that if they dig ya, they will rock your world.

Ate breve ..........

Luka22
03-06-10, 07:35
Personally, I've seen - ratio wise - much more truly good-lookin black women in Mali (the country that IMO hosts the hottest women of the African continent) than in Brasil.Really?

In my experience, the best looking girls are the fulani ethnic group (Peul) all over Africa (quite a lot in Mali too), then the Touareg / Ethiopians / Erythreans / Somalis (but that's because I like brown skinned girls with delicate more Caucasian-like facial features)

I think Senegalese girls are quite beautiful too (yet very dark, the Wolof).

What I enjoy in Brazil are the mulatas (half caste) like this cariocinha from viver a vida:

http://uberaba.ondavip.com.br/images/Image/tais%20araujo.jpg

If you like very dark girls, of course Africa is a paradise. But not if you like mulatas.


Also no one can deny that there's many fat women in Brasil. Even authorities agree that the country is experiencing an alarming epidemic of obesityThat's true. Girls are fatter and with much worse skin than 10-15 years ago. Fast food culture I guess... BTW, that's why many poor African (and Eastern European) girls have good skin and bodies too, they don't eat processed food yet. Just a matter of time.


Nonetheless, don't get me wrong, I totally agree about the brasilian putas being the best prostitutes on the planet and giving the best service. No working girl on earth can hold a candle to a brasilian puta. But it seems that most guys here, in their odes and their praises to the sexuality of the brasilian woman, confuse non-pros and working girls.Sounds true to me too. Brazilian putas are really good in bed and I've had the best experiences there (some of them would come back for free and fuck my brains out all night long). It is something you cannot understand if you've never fucked a good Brazilian puta. It is a bit dangerous though because, after that experience, you can become quite bored in the bedroom in many other (Latin) countries.

It is also true that my few non-pro girlfriends were not that great in bed (one of them was even the worse I've ever experienced). Except when they were darker skinned and from lower social class in fact.

Luka22
03-06-10, 07:47
Russian women are depraved and wild. And they are really naughty.I've fucked a few half Russian non pro girls and it was not great (not raised in Russia though).

I did quite a lot of Russian pros and I really didn't like them. Even when they tried hard, they were quite technical but they were lacking the sensuality of a Brazilian pro.

In fact, as an indicator, I just hate to see Russian girls dance (they think they dance like stars.) vs Latinas.

Russian girls are the stereotype of ice queens to me.


I can't count how many times when a 18-21 years old student type Russian girl told me that she liked to get a bottle of vodka or several of cheap champagne with her girlfriends, sit around in one of them's studio, get drunk, and have fun as they watch some porn videoWhat kind of fun? Are they more open to bisexuality than others you think?

I believe you that Russian non-pros might be wilder than Brazilian ones but I will have to try and convince myself (through experience.) that they are as sensuous and sexy.

BTW, Moscow was the third most expensive city in the world in 2009:

http://www.citymayors.com/features/cost_survey.html

Jon32
03-20-10, 11:28
Anyway there's undoubtedly hot girls in Brasil, but, admittedly, most of those who are hot are usually those from pure euro descent, or those whose euro background is prominent. .

I have to agree, the hottest brazilians are of euro descent (obviously 100% opinion here).


Also no one can deny that there's many fat women in Brasil. .

I'd have to agree again, but it depends on if you like thick girls or not. The russians I've gone out with are skinny, with no ass or legs whatsoever..



Regarding non-pro brasileiras all being freaks in bed, that's personally not what I have experienced,

But it seems that most guys here, in their odes and their praises to the sexuality of the brasilian woman, confuse non-pros and working girls.

Basically the Russians and Brazilians I've dated.... The russians are gorgeous, (totally opinion) with looks of an 8 or above. The problem is their personalities, their personalities are a 3 or below. It's their culture in Russia, they are just more reserved. They are not as open as latin cultures. Latin cultures are just more open and inviting. Russians are boring as hell.

Have dated some pretty Brazilians also, but their personalities are just so much more open. I know this is a forum about fucking and not personality, but well there's my two cents.

Jan 156
03-20-10, 13:16
Have dated some pretty Brazilians also, but their personalities are just so much more open. I know this is a forum about fucking and not personality, but well there's my two cents.
Whatever the reasons, there's much in this from my own experience. The Brasilian woman has a self-confidence and openness in social situations that even European women, generalising again, tend to lack. I have if I am travelling through, say, Asia, that Brasilian solo female travellers are comfortable speaking to me, a single male; whereas many lone women hold back. I find it easy to treat Brasilians as equals, partly cos they don't have as much baggage as Europeans or Americans. And yes, I think this affects relationships, if that is the type of relationship you enjoy. On the other hand, Brasilian women often still cling to quite a few gender role stereotypes - as is still common in American culture generally. The independent baggage-bound European woman tends to try and show she is identical to a man except for the possession of a penis. It depends on your preferences. If I ever settle down again, I would probably put odds on Brasilian women. ;)

yes, it's a forum about fuccing; but it was a good answer - especially to Wafflemeister's endless Eastern European tourism posts, and highlights why many of us perhaps actually like fuccing Brasilan women, not just their bodies. ;)

Copa121
03-23-10, 10:56
Hi all

This is a bit long but have had some great info from this site and just wanted to put somthing back.

I spend the majority of the year in Working in Brasil and love the GDP, s but the Non Pro scene is alive and well and it's like most things in life, the more you put in the more you get back and if you are prepared to put in some time, effort and have a positive confident manner with these girls you really can find some gems, let me share some thoughts ideas and experiences. If your here for just a short holiday with no Portuguese, having done no Background work then the working girls would probably be the way to go, you will still have a blast and go home with a smile on your face, but I would suggest at least try an upmarket non pro nightclub on a Friday or Saturday night, nothing is guaranteed but if you enter the club happy and confident and just smile at the girls you like and see who is smiling back your halfway there.

Be aware there is a social stigma in some of the larger cities like Rio for the local girls do not like to be seen speaking with an ex-pat as they do want to be perceived by their friends as hooker, this to you may be a barrier or it may be a challenge, I tend to see it as a challenge but if you have come to Brasil thinking it's a third world country and the non pro girls will fall at your feet because you have the dollars think again, this country is far more advanced than you think. There are parts of Brazil mainly the interior cities less exposed to tourism where this is possible but for that you would need some Portuguese and a good game.

Dating Websites

If you have time on your hands before your trip to Brazil I have found the dating websites an excellent source of contacts and phone numbers of girls you can meet before you arrive, but you have to put that time in to create your profile and filter out the duff replies, the two sites I have good experience with are Brazil Cupid and Match dot com they are paysites but worth the money, don't worry about not speaking Portuguese use Google Translate to create your profile, I speak good Porto but find it difficult to write, so I use Google translate. Just a few things to remember assume they are all lying about their age and their photos are at least 10 years old when they were 50 pounds lighter, so when you do actually meet for real it's a pleasant surprise if they are as good looking as their profile.

What works for me is to spend time on a good profile with a photo, choose the city where you wish to meet the girls and send winks to the ones you like, if they like you they will email back and you can start chatting, on the other hand girls will send you winks and emails as well, don't reply to anyone without a photo, ignore the ones you don't like and email back the ones you are attracted you.

The Mall

The shopping malls are great as you just never know what honeys you may meet in the shops, I treat it as a sport and it's a great thrill to get a restaurant date with a stunning sales girl you have just met. What works for me is to head for the fashion and perfume shops always a great source of beautiful women and you are going to get talking straight away because they want to make a sale, my standard line is I am looking for a present for my sister and then just let things flow naturally. I carry with me at all time's pre-printed business cards with email and tel contact. Just leave it with them, after asking them out for a meal, some may call you back some may not.

The Beach

I have had great fun on the Beach, once again you have that sense of expectation as every day different girls are there, sometimes you have good days sometimes not so good, all I have ever done is figure out what women are on their own try and get eye contact and offer to buy them a beer and hopefully get chatting, sometimes the day just ends with promises to keep in touch which of course you never do and sometimes it end up back at the hotel.

So I hope some of this helps, just for information I am no super stud, I am 55 but am having a ball over there, I agree speaking porto helps a bit but don't let that put you off, if I can do it. So can you.

Happy to respond to any PM, s if any of you guys have questions.

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Copa121
03-23-10, 11:25
I spend the majority of the year in Working in Brasil and love the GDP,s but the Non Pro scene is alive and well and it’s like most things in life, the more you put in the more you get back and if you are prepared to put in some time, effort and have a positive confident manner with these girls you really can find some gems, let me share some thoughts ideas and experiences. If your here for just a short holiday with no Portuguese, having done no Background work then the working girls would probably be the way to go, you will still have a blast and go home with a smile on your face, but i would suggest at least try an upmarket non pro nightclub on a Friday or Saturday night, nothing is guaranteed but if you enter the club happy and confident and just smile at the girls you like and see who is smiling back your halfway there.

Be aware there is a social stigma in some of the larger cities like Rio for the local girls do not like to be seen speaking with an ex-pat as they do want to be perceived by their friends as hooker, this to you may be a barrier or it may be a challenge , i tend to see it as a challenge but if you have come to Brasil thinking it’s a third world country and the non pro girls will fall at your feet because you have the dollars think again , this country is far more advanced than you think. There are parts of Brazil mainly the interior cities less exposed to tourism where this is possible but for that you would need some Portuguese and a good game.

Dating Websites

If you have time on your hands before your trip to Brazil i have found the dating websites an excellent source of contacts and phone numbers of girls you can meet before you arrive, but you have to put that time in to create your profile and filter out the duff replies, the two sites i have good experience with are Brazil Cupid and Match dot com they are paysites but worth the money , don’t worry about not speaking Portuguese use Google Translate to create your profile , i speak good Porto but find it difficult to write , so i use Google translate. Just a few things to remember assume they are all lying about their age and their photos are at least 10 years old when they were 50 pounds lighter , so when you do actually meet for real it’s a pleasant surprise if they are as good looking as their profile.
What works for me is to spend time on a good profile with a photo, choose the city where you wish to meet the girls and send winks to the ones you like, if they like you they will email back and you can start chatting, on the other hand girls will send you winks and emails as well, don’t reply to anyone without a photo, ignore the ones you don’t like and email back the ones you are attracted you.

The Mall

The shopping malls are great as you just never know what honeys you may meet in the shops, i treat it as a sport and it’s a great thrill to get a restaurant date with a stunning sales girl you have just met. What works for me is to head for the fashion and perfume shops always a great source of beautiful women and you are going to get talking straight away because they want to make a sale , my standard line is i am looking for a present for my sister and then just let things flow naturally. I carry with me at all time’s pre-printed business cards with email and tel contact....just leave it with them, after asking them out for a meal , some may call you back some may not.

The Beach

I have had great fun on the Beach, once again you have that sense of expectation as every day different girls are there, sometimes you have good days sometimes not so good, all i have ever done is figure out what women are on their own try and get eye contact and offer to buy them a beer and hopefully get chatting, sometimes the day just ends with promises to keep in touch which of course you never do and sometimes it end up back at the hotel.

So i hope some of this helps, just for information i am no super stud, i am 55 but am having a ball over there , i agree speaking porto helps a bit but don’t let that put you off.

Happy to respond to any PM,s if any of you guys have questions.

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Golfinho
03-23-10, 20:59
The Mall

The shopping malls are great as you just never know what honeys you may meet in the shops, i treat it as a sport and it’s a great thrill to get a restaurant date with a stunning sales girl you have just met. What works for me is to head for the fashion and perfume shops always a great source of beautiful women and you are going to get talking straight away because they want to make a sale , my standard line is i am looking for a present for my sister and then just let things flow naturally. I carry with me at all time’s pre-printed business cards with email and tel contact....just leave it with them, after asking them out for a meal , some may call you back some may not.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.Hitting on girls while they are working is not everyone's style. Sure, they'll have to talk to you, and they'll have to be nice, because it's their job. But, if you are not able or are unwilling to have respect for someone earning an honest wage, than go ahead and try to take advantage of her and the situation, if that's your style. You never know, maybe she's looking for extra income.

Copa121
03-24-10, 10:16
Hitting on girls while they are working is not everyone's style. Sure, they'll have to talk to you, and they'll have to be nice, because it's their job. But, if you are not able or are unwilling to have respect for someone earning an honest wage, than go ahead and try to take advantage of her and the situation, if that's your style. You never know, maybe she's looking for extra income.Not sure how to take this comment as you are suggesting I am exploiting these Girls. Firstly may I draw your attention to the name of the thread " Non pro Garotas opinions & advice ", all I have offered is an opinion. Secondly I do not force the girls to phone me to arrange a date; I do not force them to actually meet me at restaurant or dance club. Most first dates with non pros are just great evenings out with good company which I happen to enjoy very much. Only if there is some genuine chemistry both sides can you take things further, I travel within brasil and have met some really good friends this way who enjoy my company when I am in their town so I can't see how I am taking advantage of these girls.

Northern Guy
03-24-10, 16:10
Hitting on girls while they are working is not everyone's style. Sure, they'll have to talk to you, and they'll have to be nice, because it's their job. But, if you are not able or are unwilling to have respect for someone earning an honest wage, than go ahead and try to take advantage of her and the situation, if that's your style. You never know, maybe she's looking for extra income.Hmm, don't really know how to interpret this one. Is flirting innocently with a saleswoman to "take advantage of her"? Is friendly chatting, and maybe asking her out, to "not have respect for her"? I assume this is done with normal social antennas, where a person is not too forward, and able to take a hint (a no). Then it's up to the girl if she wants a date or not. If not. Well, at least she met a nice guy, who found her attractive. Which will probably make her flattered as well. Don't see the problem. Doing this with normal social skills, that is (!).

Golfinho
03-25-10, 02:27
not sure how to take this comment as you are suggesting i am exploiting these girls. firstly may i draw your attention to the name of the thread " non pro garotas opinions & advice ", all i have offered is an opinion. secondly i do not force the girls to phone me to arrange a date; i do not force them to actually meet me at restaurant or dance club. most first dates with non pros are just great evenings out with good company which i happen to enjoy very much. only if there is some genuine chemistry both sides can you take things further, i travel within brasil and have met some really good friends this way who enjoy my company when i am in their town so i can't see how i am taking advantage of these girls. it is a judgement call here on this one. if that's your style at wherever is home, then you're likely to bust the same move in brazil. or wherever. if you want to step on their toes while they're at work, keep in mind that brasilian employees don't have the same rights as in the us: they can be summarily dismissed. approaching a brasiliera in a club or disco where a cover is paid to enter is a different story. in this situation, everyone feels they are in an exclusive environment, part of a peer group, and even feel entitled to get picked up and partner off.

Albert Punter
03-25-10, 04:54
Agreed 100%


Hmm, don't really know how to interpret this one. Is flirting innocently with a saleswoman to "take advantage of her"? Is friendly chatting, and maybe asking her out, to "not have respect for her"? I assume this is done with normal social antennas, where a person is not too forward, and able to take a hint (a no). Then it's up to the girl if she wants a date or not. If not. Well, at least she met a nice guy, who found her attractive. Which will probably make her flattered as well. Don't see the problem. Doing this with normal social skills, that is (!).

Exec Talent
03-25-10, 14:19
I was in the North Zone of Rio the other day and thought I made a wrong turn and ended up in non-pro heaven. In particular I was in Nova Iguaçu at and in the general area of the Top Shopping mall. The shop girls were very friendly and in fact, they were the ones wanting to make conversation with me. Since I was there on business, I had to stay focused, but I can see why guys with Portuguese and social skills spend their time at places like Via Show rather than wasting a lot of money taking escorts to swing clubs in hopes of picking up a non-pro who if at all attractive probably is not a non-pro.

BTW, for those who do not know, many of the termas girls come from the North Zone. The girls walking the streets of Copcabana don't even compare to those in Nova Iguaçu. Surprisingly, I also think the Nova Iguaçu girls dress better. Since they don't get many gringos there, if you have a personality, it is like you are an instant celebrity.

John Cricket
03-25-10, 16:19
Hmm, don't really know how to interpret this one. Is flirting innocently with a saleswoman to "take advantage of her"? Is friendly chatting, and maybe asking her out, to "not have respect for her"? I assume this is done with normal social antennas, where a person is not too forward, and able to take a hint (a no). Then it's up to the girl if she wants a date or not. If not. Well, at least she met a nice guy, who found her attractive. Which will probably make her flattered as well. Don't see the problem. Doing this with normal social skills, that is (!).Well, again, it's everyone's choice or not. But flirting never goes out of style in Rio de Janeiro. People don't make the distinction that "there's a time and place for everything" as they do in Europe. Business and personal are all intermixed together. So flirting with salesgirls is as normal as flirting with a girl on the beach. What you're going to be judged on isn't the flirt, but whether or not you came across as heavy-handed.

Unless you're fluent in Porto, you're probably going to look like a polar bear dancing samba, a situation which may, in fact, have its own particular charm for some girls but which most girls will usually just politely laugh at.

Get them laughing with you and not at you and you're halfway there, though.

Ricker
03-25-10, 16:56
I was in the North Zone of Rio the other day and thought I made a wrong turn and ended up in non-pro heaven. In particular I was in Nova Iguaçu at and in the general area of the Top Shopping mall. The shop girls were very friendly and in fact, they were the ones wanting to make conversation with me. Since I was there on business, I had to stay focused, but I can see why guys with Portuguese and social skills spend their time at places like Via Show rather than wasting a lot of money taking escorts to swing clubs in hopes of picking up a non-pro who if at all attractive probably is not a non-pro.

BTW, for those who do not know, many of the termas girls come from the North Zone. The girls walking the streets of Copcabana don't even compare to those in Nova Iguaçu. Surprisingly, I also think the Nova Iguaçu girls dress better. Since they don't get many gringos there, if you have a personality, it is like you are an instant celebrity.

Well that's exactly right amigo. When you get away from the normal gringo tourist area, especially if you can speak the language and have a personality, the girls are drawn to you.

It doesn't matter if it's in a shop, cafe, mall, whatever.

They won't normally come running up and be obvious, but you will get the subtle flirting and asking you where you're from, etc.

As long as you're not being a pest or an over zealous dick-nose, and treat them nicely and with respect, I don't see any problem with flirting with non-pro girls while they're at work.

I'm much more of a Sao Paulo guy and it's the same there. I've met and made many a friend with girls at their work place.
No problems.

Boa sorte ....

Bimbo Boy
03-25-10, 18:38
I was in the North Zone of Rio the other day and thought I made a wrong turn and ended up in non-pro heaven. In particular I was in Nova Iguaçu at and in the general area of the Top Shopping mall. The shop girls were very friendly and in fact, they were the ones wanting to make conversation with me. Since I was there on business, I had to stay focused, but I can see why guys with Portuguese and social skills spend their time at places like Via Show rather than wasting a lot of money taking escorts to swing clubs in hopes of picking up a non-pro who if at all attractive probably is not a non-pro.

BTW, for those who do not know, many of the termas girls come from the North Zone. The girls walking the streets of Copcabana don't even compare to those in Nova Iguaçu. Surprisingly, I also think the Nova Iguaçu girls dress better. Since they don't get many gringos there, if you have a personality, it is like you are an instant celebrity.
Ah Exec Talent, we both know that chasing non pros in the North Zone, for us gringos is like shooting fish in a barrel ... but you need Portuguese skills, because nearly nobody speaks English there.
My current girlfriend comes from Nova Iguaçu. Everytime I go there, I must resist my impulse to turn my head on a stunner. This doesn't mean that all girls are beautiful there, far from it. The average girl is much less sophisticated than in the Zona Sul. However, there are occasionnally some very nice gems.
However, the quality of the pro working girls is apalling. Some friends showed me a few truckers' spots, and I felt I had gone to Hell.
Regards.
B.B.

Rio Bob
03-25-10, 20:59
Dating Websites

If you have time on your hands before your trip to Brazil i have found the dating websites an excellent source of contacts and phone numbers of girls you can meet before you arrive,

Yeah I have been using match.com since 2004, same thing as you, several weeks/months before my trip I refresh my profile and I start mass mailing to girls I like. I get some responses back and I put their email on MSN Messenger, I chat with them in IM for weeks until I arrive, sometimes I may have 10 to 15 new girls I am chatting with but I usually only met about 2 or 3 when I arrive.

Most of these girls are looking for boyfriends and husbands, a few months back I was in my apto and saw a girl online I only met once for drinks 5 years before, I sent her an IM and said lets go out, she said it was raining and was staying home. I asked her if she had anything to drink in her apto and she said yes Champagne, I asked her if I could come over, she said sure.

Finished the bottle of Champagne, then banged her twice. I asked her if she was thinking of banging me when she told me to come over, she said definitely not. She told me it wasn't until she saw me that she got hot for me, I love these girls, I love their honesty and openness. I left and went to Help and never saw her again.

I got bored with this and with Help closed I needed a new diversion so that's why I chose the swing clubs this trip just to try something different.

Mikenyc
03-26-10, 17:24
Hmm, don't really know how to interpret this one. Is flirting innocently with a saleswoman to "take advantage of her"? Is friendly chatting, and maybe asking her out, to "not have respect for her"? I assume this is done with normal social antennas, where a person is not too forward, and able to take a hint (a no). Then it's up to the girl if she wants a date or not. If not. Well, at least she met a nice guy, who found her attractive. Which will probably make her flattered as well. Don't see the problem. Doing this with normal social skills, that is (!).I agree. It all depends on your approach. Actually I think some girls welcome the tedious break from their job to chat for a few.

Last time in Rio I met this beautiful non-pro at the Jewelry Store inside this small mall in Ipanema - she was a stunner, my boys couldn't believe I met a non-pro that gorgeous. Anyways I gave her my address to the Apt and she came straight over. We go for a nice stroll on Ipanema beach. My Porto is horrible and her English was bad as well but we made it work. Damn I just knew I was going to tapping that ass within the hour but she was so fine I was OK just to hang out. Anyways we hang out for a couple hours - next thing I know we are walking back to the Mall. Find out she brought me all the way back and tried to get me to buy some Jewelery. I was like WTF this was a setup!

Mr Enternational
03-27-10, 04:41
Yeah I have been using match.com since 2004, same thing as you, several weeks/months before my trip I refresh my profile and I start mass mailing to girls I like. I get some responses back and I put their email on MSN Messenger, I chat with them in IM for weeks until I arrive, sometimes I may have 10 to 15 new girls I am chatting with but I usually only met about 2 or 3 when I arrive.

Most of these girls are looking for boyfriends and husbands.
The other 7 of 10 are just looking to pass time at work. They don't have to pay, so get on the site. Then when you arrive they have all kinds of excuses. You have to learn to weed those out. I will give them two calls to try to arrange a meeting. Thereafter, they have my number and are welcomed to call if they find the time.

One chick who I was supposed to meet up with today fell into that category. Before I left home SHE chose this Friday afternoon to meet. Mind you she is jobless and sits home everyday. Today at the designated time I called her. I was actually out mongering with Cho and knew I wouldn't be able to make it but I wanted to see where her head was. She told me that she was going to stay in the house today and asked if we could meet Monday or Tuesday. Yeah, sure. Only problem is that I will be gone by then. And wait for you again so you can have another excuse? I think not. She has my number and is welcomed to call when she deems herself worthy to be graced by my presence.

M.H.O. I don't get this looking for a husband thing. Boyfriend I can dig, but something as permanent as a husband? To me that is putting the cart before the horse. I think I would like to know a person first then the idea pops into my head that I would be interested in marrying THAT particular person. To say that you are looking for a husband. Picture me walking up to a total stranger on the metro and saying, "Hey. I'm in the market for a wife. Would you like to be a candidate?"

Rio Bob
03-27-10, 14:08
The other 7 of 10 are just looking to pass time at work. They don't have to pay, so get on the site. Then when you arrive they have all kinds of excuses. You have to learn to weed those out. I will give them two calls to try to arrange a meeting. Thereafter, they have my number and are welcomed to call if they find the time.



Yes sounds right, what I had noticed is that I have had many girls on my Instant message that spoke English, I feel that they wanted to practice their English with me on IM but didn't want to meet to give up the goods.

I have had both good and bad as in anything in life but the good outweighs the bad, through the years I have met some nice women and had a great time but I'm bored with this now. Last year I met a really fine lady, a financial analyst, she told me straight up that she was looking for a husband and could work in NY, I had to let her go.

John Cricket
03-27-10, 17:21
Anyways we hang out for a couple hours. Next thing I know we are walking back to the Mall. Find out she brought me all the way back and tried to get me to buy some Jewelery. I was like WTF this was a setup!Yeah, well. There is a whole class of women in Rio who "date" gringos. They don't charge, but they do ask for gifts and etc. You may not pay, but odds are the next guy will. These folks are the true "semi-pros". You can check some of them out on Orkut where they congregate on pages like "I love gingos", talking about the 15 gringo "boyfriends" they had over the summer.

Some of them will have sex and then ask for gifts. Most will do exactly what this woman did for you: no sex unless some cash gets spent on her.

That's the way it goes most of the time.

People have been talking about how cool the women are in the northern suburbs, but things are basically the same up there. Only difference is the presents can be cheaper. A night out at Via Show, say, rather than a gold necklace.

Exec Talent
03-28-10, 13:54
People have been talking about how cool the women are in the northern suburbs, but things are basically the same up there. Only difference is the presents can be cheaper. A night out at Via Show, say, rather than a gold necklace.
Wow, John. Just sounds like a regular date. Since this forum is all about sharing FIRSTHAND experiences, do tell us about the last time you PERSONALLY took a girl to Via Show. Or, for that matter, tell us about ANY of your FIRSTHAND experiences with non-pros in Rio or surrounding areas. We are all ears (or eyes as the case may be).

BTW, I hear most university professors in Rio bore their students to tears. I have sat in on a few classes here, and found them interesting, but that is just me. Maybe it was the professor or the subject.

Jan 156
03-28-10, 14:12
Wow, John. Just sounds like a regular date. Since this forum is all about sharing FIRSTHAND experiences, do tell us about the last time you PERSONALLY took a girl to Via Show. Or, for that matter, tell us about ANY of your FIRSTHAND experiences with non-pros in Rio or surrounding areas. We are all ears (or eyes as the case may be).

BTW, I hear most university professors in Rio bore their students to tears. I have sat in on a few classes here, and found them interesting, but that is just me. Maybe it was the professor or the subject.

ET - give him a break - the guy's new (at least it would appear) - and to be honest, you go thru phases of much comment and zero reports yourself.

Re interesting classes, obviously wearing a miniskirt is the answer . . . (joke for those that follow the news) ;)