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Wow, John. Just sounds like a regular date. Since this forum is all about sharing FIRSTHAND experiences, do tell us about the last time you PERSONALLY took a girl to Via Show. Or, for that matter, tell us about ANY of your FIRSTHAND experiences with non-pros in Rio or surrounding areas. We are all ears (or eyes as the case may be).
BTW, I hear most university professors in Rio bore their students to tears. I have sat in on a few classes here, and found them interesting, but that is just me. Maybe it was the professor or the subject.If you are seeing the professor behind every anonymous post, it's time you had that Rorschach test, to check for a diagnosis of MacMania.
ET,
Give John Cricket a break. He's been one of those in here who have been giving us first hand from the ground insight. I've noticed that lately, all you do is jump on people who provide good info. What's wrong man? Chill, relax and have a couple of garotas to take care of your stress. It'll do wonders to you.
John, please continue with your very informative posts.
Beach Star
03-29-10, 12:24
Yeah, well. There is a whole class of women in Rio who "date" gringos. They don't charge, but they do ask for gifts and etc. You may not pay, but odds are the next guy will. These folks are the true "semi-pros". You can check some of them out on Orkut where they congregate on pages like "I love gingos", talking about the 15 gringo "boyfriends" they had over the summer.
Some of them will have sex and then ask for gifts. Most will do exactly what this woman did for you: no sex unless some cash gets spent on her.
That's the way it goes most of the time.
People have been talking about how cool the women are in the northern suburbs, but things are basically the same up there. Only difference is the presents can be cheaper. A night out at Via Show, say, rather than a gold necklace.
Have you met any of these orkut girls? Were they worth it? I don`t mind giving presents to nice girls, better than if they are aiming to get married. My fear is they only live in the virtual world and don't actually go on dates. Please advise your experience on this interesting topic, could be a real find.
John Cricket
03-29-10, 12:45
Wow, John. Just sounds like a regular date. Since this forum is all about sharing FIRSTHAND experiences, do tell us about the last time you PERSONALLY took a girl to Via Show. Or, for that matter, tell us about ANY of your FIRSTHAND experiences with non-pros in Rio or surrounding areas. We are all ears (or eyes as the case may be).Yes, most women like men to pay their bills. At least pay for their night on the town. But regular dates don't ask for gold necklaces or for 600 real shopping sprees at Rio Sul the next day.
John Cricket
03-29-10, 12:58
Have you met any of these orkut girls? Were they worth it? I don`t mind giving presents to nice girls, better than if they are aiming to get married. My fear is they only live in the virtual world and don't actually go on dates. Please advise your experience on this interesting topic, could be a real find.Your fears are justified. Some of these girls just run scams on gringos. Orkut is probably slightly better than some other places because it's not a site where many gringos hang out. I have met a few of them. Some of them are aiming to get married, others just want presents and a good time.
My main problem with gringo-chasers is the way they latch onto you as if you were their property. I once had the misfortune to meet a girl at a party who was a clasic gringo-chaser. We flirted a bit, then we both went off looking for greener pastures. I got her number, though, and we agreed that we'd meet in a few days. Called her number several times and always got the brush off: "Oh, I can't go out tonight. I have to [whatever]".
Fine, thinks I. There are plenty of other fish in the sea. So I put her out of my mind.
Four weeks later I'm on Ipanema at kiosk shatting up this other bird and who shows up but my old "friend". She latches onto me with both arms, kissy, kissy, kissy, "Where have you been? Why didn't you call?" etc. Continues to do this until the other woman politely excuses herself and then waves goodbye and goes off down the sidewalk.
Have you met any of these orkut girls? Were they worth it? I don`t mind giving presents to nice girls, better than if they are aiming to get married. My fear is they only live in the virtual world and don't actually go on dates. Please advise your experience on this interesting topic, could be a real find.
I think he's just stating a commonly known fact of life, at least in Rio. I have heard 'respectable' girls openly boast to all and sundry that they only go with guys so guys pay for things and buy them things. As a European, I find it amusing since it is an attitude still part of much of respectable U.S. thinking except the American woman never admits it, even to herself. When was the last time any woman on Sex & the City paid for anything when there was a man there? OK, I exaggerate slightly, but not much.
To me, this class of Brasilian woman is almost just more upfront it. My American buddy used to have a problem with letting his Brasilian girlfriend (Rio) pay for anything. Being wealthier than he was (moslty from alimony from a gringo), she tried to pay for everything, and they even invited me to stay with them rent-free in their spacious residence.
To me a decent woman goes out of her way to ensure successive dates don't empty my pocket more than hers. The ones that let or encourage men to pay are more costly than wh0res, who they resent for lowering the prices.
I disagree with Cricket about semi-pros though. We could argue over words for ever, but I think what the monger generally means by this term is someone who dips into prostitution only occasionally. I suspect the word programma even started as a nice way of describing her, but eventually included all the professionals. She is either a) a sweet, honest 'catch' or b) simply 'unprofessional'! - in the sense that she may be lacking polish in certain bedroom skills, is messy at the business side of things or simply isn't very organised. I quite like this category sometimes, though there's always the chance of getting burnt. ;)
But yes, we are digressing. It's really for a thread on Brasilian women or something. But to answer the OP's question, sure he got set up (cheekily, not criminally), and fortunately he didn't get burnt. ;)
I think he's just stating a commonly known fact of life, at least in Rio. I have heard 'respectable' girls openly boast to all and sundry that they only go with guys so guys pay for things and buy them things. As a European, I find it amusing since it is an attitude still part of much of respectable U.S. thinking except the American woman never admits it, even to herself. When was the last time any woman on Sex & the City paid for anything when there was a man there? OK, I exaggerate slightly, but not much.
To me, this class of Brasilian woman is almost just more upfront it. My American buddy used to have a problem with letting his Brasilian girlfriend (Rio) pay for anything. Being wealthier than he was (moslty from alimony from a gringo), she tried to pay for everything, and they even invited me to stay with them rent-free in their spacious residence.
To me a decent woman goes out of her way to ensure successive dates don't empty my pocket more than hers. The ones that let or encourage men to pay are more costly than wh0res, who they resent for lowering the prices.
I disagree with Cricket about semi-pros though. We could argue over words for ever, but I think what the monger generally means by this term is someone who dips into prostitution only occasionally. I suspect the word programma even started as a nice way of describing her, but eventually included all the professionals. She is either a) a sweet, honest 'catch' or b) simply 'unprofessional'! - in the sense that she may be lacking polish in certain bedroom skills, is messy at the business side of things or simply isn't very organised. I quite like this category sometimes, though there's always the chance of getting burnt. ;)
But yes, we are digressing. It's really for a thread on Brasilian women or something. But to answer the OP's question, sure he got set up (cheekily, not criminally), and fortunately he didn't get burnt. ;)Dating sites in the USA are full of loser chicks looking to get a free meal and taken out because in real life that can't get asked out. No different in Brasil, and true: garotas do boast about where they were taken and how much money was spent on them -- all in the way of self-affirmation.
DJ FourMoney
05-15-10, 11:20
M.H.O. I don't get this looking for a husband thing. Boyfriend I can dig, but something as permanent as a husband? To me that is putting the cart before the horse. I think I would like to know a person first then the idea pops into my head that I would be interested in marrying THAT particular person. To say that you are looking for a husband. Picture me walking up to a total stranger on the metro and saying, "Hey. I'm in the market for a wife. Would you like to be a candidate?"
See, your a man, don't be logical its too easy. :)
When women say "I'm looking for a husband" I don't care where they are from its all the same. They are looking for men to date that have husband potential.
It has very little to do with "waiting around" they aren't waiting, every man is up for consideration....
Now in Western Culture, we seem to have this odd rule (from a man's point of view) that there are the type of women you date and the type of women you marry, when I believe there should be no difference at all.
What makes a woman only suitable for dating and not marriage? Isn't that what I would call "wasting your time"? The woman you find suitable enough to marry should be same woman you find suitable for dating, makes things less complicated IMHO.
Sure there are woman you only want to fuck, okay those are short term relationships (STR) if you're in a relationship that is far more physical than mentality simulating then you should end it as soon as your tired of the pussy or until you find something better, again makes things less complicated.
You also don't give them false ideas by inviting them to special events, family gatherings and meeting your parents.
I can count on ONE hand and less than 5 fingers of the women that have met my mother...
I don't think any man goes around to random women and tells them "I'm in the market for a wife", though to be flatly honest, you might be shocked at some of the answers you got if you did such a thing, there some impulsive people out there, you never know and it certainly can't be any worst than knowing somebody for years, getting married and then divorced in less than 5 years which happens at a 70% clip here in the US...
DJ FourMoney
05-15-10, 11:29
1) What age gaps are tolerated by women in Brazil?
a) Is social status a factor?
b) Is location a factor?
2) Concerning men of color; do you find yourself more accepted by Black Brazilians, Morena's or Loiras? I tend to like my woman fair skinned but I certainly don't mind olive skinned women, but Black, ummm I can do that here... (Los Angeles) and I choose not too.
If I can manage to save a few coins this summer I believe I'm going to bite the bullet and go (in the fall).
I am posting here because I want to hear about non-pros, I think I know the answer to pros. :)
Sui Generis
05-15-10, 19:15
1) What age gaps are tolerated by women in Brazil?
a) Is social status a factor?
b) Is location a factor?
2) Concerning men of color; do you find yourself more accepted by Black Brazilians, Morena's or Loiras? I tend to like my woman fair skinned but I certainly don't mind olive skinned women, but Black, ummm I can do that here... (Los Angeles) and I choose not too.
:)
According to my own experiences in Brazil with non-pros (more than 30 years) and with brazucas my answers are the following ones:
1) Age gaps are tolerated when women are over 30's. Then they don't mind going out with men that are 15 to 20 years older than them.
a) Man, you're in Brazil : social status is the main factor!!!!!!
b) Location is also an important factor
2) Race is not the main concern there. As I mentioned above the social status is the most important factor. But in general (especially in São Paulo) women prefer white males. Black males are not very populars.
My two cents. Answers can differ from one person to another.
a) Is social status a factor?
Brasilians are the most status-conscious people on earth. Coming from US or Europe it's really hard to understand the importance of status in brasilian culture.
Mr Enternational
05-16-10, 05:20
Concerning men of color; do you find yourself more accepted by Black Brazilians, Morena's or Loiras? I tend to like my woman fair skinned but I certainly don't mind olive skinned women, but Black, ummm I can do that here... (Los Angeles) and I choose not too.With my experience there has been no difference inside of Brazil. I have been accepted equally. I feel your pain. I don't date American women at all. But I do date Black women in other countries. When I took my mom out on Mother's Day she asked about a girlfriend I had 20 years ago when I was in college. She said you haven't dated a black woman since then. Then she corrected herself remembering that my ex-wife was black.
According to my own experiences in Brazil with non-pros :
But in general (especially in São Paulo) women prefer white males. Black males are not very populars.My experience is different than Sui. I find that within Brazil non-pros could care less about color. Women there and all over South America always tell me that they like my color. It's funny to me. I don't see what the big deal is. Now outside of Brazil I have noticed that they damn near always prefer white males. Just look around and see how many Brazilian women you see in your country with a black male. I have been lucky a couple of times, but it seems that outside of Brazil, their interest is only with white males. I went to a Brazilian friend's birthday party a couple of weeks ago here in the US. There were all shades of Brazilian women, but their men were all Brazilian or white American. Me and a Dominican guy were the only black guys there.
Now outside of Brazil I have noticed that they damn near always prefer white males. Just look around and see how many Brazilian women you see in your country with a black male. I have been lucky a couple of times, but it seems that outside of Brazil, their interest is only with white males. I went to a Brazilian friend's birthday party a couple of weeks ago here in the US. There were all shades of Brazilian women, but their men were all Brazilian or white American. Me and a Dominican guy were the only black guys there.
That is a very interesting statement, thank you for posting your experiences. Unfortunately, I do not have any brasilian friends who were born in this country, but I would love to hear if other members noticed this behavior as well.
DJ FourMoney
05-16-10, 11:04
With my experience there has been no difference inside of Brazil. I have been accepted equally. I feel your pain. I don't date American women at all. But I do date Black women in other countries. When I took my mom out on Mother's Day she asked about a girlfriend I had 20 years ago when I was in college. She said you haven't dated a black woman since then. Then she corrected herself remembering that my ex-wife was black.
My experience is different than Sui. I find that within Brazil non-pros could care less about color. Women there and all over South America always tell me that they like my color. It's funny to me. I don't see what the big deal is. Now outside of Brazil I have noticed that they damn near always prefer white males. Just look around and see how many Brazilian women you see in your country with a black male. I have been lucky a couple of times, but it seems that outside of Brazil, their interest is only with white males. I went to a Brazilian friend's birthday party a couple of weeks ago here in the US. There were all shades of Brazilian women, but their men were all Brazilian or white American. Me and a Dominican guy were the only black guys there.
Find that the case here in Los Angeles too with Brazilian women but its not absolute, you can find out here and there, but their skin tone tends to be darker and hair curly, girls that look like Tom Brady's wife don't do Brothers in the States (unless your famous or something).
I was just wondering, I know I could pick off somebody its all about numbers and I do find some Black Brazilian women very attractive, but like here its not a majority its a few.
My experience over this matter is that in Brasil there is quite a big separation between white and black people, but this depends on the social status. Higher social status a person has less likely he or she will ever have a black spouse/boy/girlfriend. My wife comes from upper middle class (they do have money) and I have never ever met a mixed couple in any event I have attended with them. It is rather difficult meet black people in general in those social gatherings.
Now, if a white girl is from poor family and black guy is from rich family it is possible that they form a couple but never other way around. BUT if a white boy is from poor family and black girl is from rich family its very much possible that they form a couple.
For all whom think that Brasil is not racist I have a newsflash: This country is as racist as any other. You have no idea how black people in general are being called.
Although there are so many mixtures that we do not even understand. I have met dark skinned neo - nazis who have preached to me that white race shouldn't mix with black race (Beat the shit out of that asshole) and so on.
Do not let yourselves be fooled.
There is also discrimination against white here. Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to try to do anything when one is white. Being white means you're rich. That automatically means that what ever you try to do it will be lot more expensive for you.
These are just my observations, so please do not execute me over this post.
Find that the case here in Los Angeles too with Brazilian women but its not absolute, you can find out here and there, but their skin tone tends to be darker and hair curly, girls that look like Tom Brady's wife don't do Brothers in the States (unless your famous or something).
I was just wondering, I know I could pick off somebody its all about numbers and I do find some Black Brazilian women very attractive, but like here its not a majority its a few.
You only have to look around to realize than in Brazil, races are much more mixed than in the States.
I'm european, but I was married once to a black/mulatto brazilian woman and I also lived extensively in the States. And that's something that I always noticed: That there are very few interacial couples in the States.
Instead, in Brazil, not only there are so many more interacial couples, but in general people tend to be much more mixed. And all sort of combinations: Asian and black, white and indian, oscuro, claro...
I wouldn't even think about it in Brazil. People are people. Period.
P.S.: Regards status, someone said that brazilians are obsessed with status. Well.. some are. Just like some europeans and some americans. The fish in the fishbowl is always unaware of the water that's around.
Instead, in Brazil, not only there are so many more interacial couples, but in general people tend to be much more mixed.
Never noticed many interacial couples in Leblon, Lagoa, Sao Conrado or Barra de Tijuca. See what I mean? ... or do I have to list each nice neighborhood of each brasilian city?
Racial prejudice does exist in Brasil. And in many ways, this prejudice is even more pervasive than in US or Europe.
P.S.: Regards status, someone said that brazilians are obsessed with status. Well.. some are. Just like some europeans and some americans.
Brasilians are fixated on status. It is grotesquely important. Much more so than for US or European people.
If you can't perceive the pervasiveness of the brasilian status system, then you can't really understand brasilian people.
Never noticed many mixed couples in Leblon, Lagoa, Sao Conrado or Barra de Tijuca. See what I mean? ... or do I have to list each nice neighborhood of each brasilian city?
Racial prejudice does exist in Brasil. And in many ways, this prejudice is even more pervasive than in US or Europe.
Well, I don't go around counting interacial couples in Rio. But there are definitely more than at any american or european city. Besides, Brasil is a lot more than just a few neighbourhoods from Rio Sul.
Racial prejudice exists everywhere. For me the rule of thumb is just to ignore it. If somebody has a problem with race, is their problem. Not mine.
You write: "If you can't perceive the pervasiveness of the brasilian status system, then you can't really understand brasilian people".
What can I say? Part of my family is brazilian, but I can't understand brazilian people? Gimme a break!
Besides, Brasil is a lot more than just a few neighbourhoods from Rio Sul.
Obviously, there is something in "each nice neighborhood of each brasilian city" that you did not understand.
What can I say? Part of my family is brazilian, but I can't understand brazilian people? Gimme a break!
It's really nice from you to call the relatives of your imported wife "part of your family".
:rolleyes:
It's really nice from you to call the relatives of your imported wife "part of your family".
I find the term "imported wife" really insulting. Specially coming from someone that doesn't know anything about me or my life. And believe me... you're very wrong.
On the other side, yes, I still consider my ex-wife's family as part of mine. It was a great experience to know them and I keep an excellent relation with them. Great human beings.
Sui Generis
05-16-10, 18:17
There,s a nice painting by the Gallego-Brazilian painter Modesto Brocos y Gómez entilted Redenção do Can (1895) which sums up the racial ideal of mixegenaçäo (racial mixing) in Brazil.
In this painting we see a black grandmother, her mulata daughter and her moreno son-in-law with is toddler, This is the epitome of racial harmony...
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ficheiro:Reden%C3%A7%C3%A3o.jpg
racial harmony...
The most insidious thing about brasilian racial prejudice is that most brasilians tend to believe (and even often totally succeed in convincing themselves) the nationalist propaganda that Brasil does not really have a race problem.
Propaganda which is relayed by all the daydreamers gringos who live in denial of the realities ...
The most insidious thing about brasilian racial prejudice is that most brasilians tend to believe (and even often totally succeed in convincing themselves) the nationalist propaganda that Brasil does not really have a race problem.
Propaganda which is relayed by all the daydreamers gringos who see this country through rose tinted lenses and live in denial of the realities ...
What I find most insidious, are your commentaries. The notion that you know it all and all the rest of people are wrong. Including, of course, the brazilians themeselves.
Is there racial prejudice in Brazil? There is. Like everywhere else. But a lot less than at other countries I know.
Personally, I don't wanna continue this coversation with you. End of story.
Exec Talent
05-16-10, 21:44
I find the term "imported wife" really insulting. Specially coming from someone that doesn't know anything about me or my life. And believe me... you're very wrong.
On the other side, yes, I still consider my ex-wife's family as part of mine. It was a great experience to know them and I keep an excellent relation with them. Great human beings.
My ex-girlfriend was from a middle-class family. I spent time with her mother and father because I enjoyed being around them. They always treated me very well and when we would go out her father insisted on paying his fair share of the time.
I am someone who gets pissed off when Brazilians try to charge me the gringo price, however, there are Brazilians who also find the practice offensive. Last time I was in Rio I had a wonderful visit with my ex-girlfriend's mother. This idea that all Brazilians are no good and that they are out to get us is simply wrong.
I have been to many 'other' Brasilian cities, and I can tell you without a doubt that their is racism in cities like: Belem, Fortaleza, Recife, Manaus. But, the difference with the Brasilian is that if you are black and have money, then they will treat you better that a black person with money in, say, America.
These are just the facts. You can even as the Brasilians themselves and they will tell you this.
I can even prove it: look at the elected official in Brasil. Tell me how many are even Mallato!?
Mr Enternational
05-16-10, 23:52
The most insidious thing about brasilian racial prejudice is that most brasilians tend to believe (and even often totally succeed in convincing themselves) the nationalist propaganda that Brasil does not really have a race problem.
Propaganda which is relayed by all the daydreamers gringos who see this country through rose tinted lenses and live in denial of the realities ...I wouldn't say most Brazilians. But I would say most white Brazilians. The black ones have experienced the prejudice so they do not deny it. I have a good friend who is a teacher in Rio. When she was in high school she told the counselor that she wanted to be a flight attendant. She said the lady looked at her and told her to be serious. There were no chances of getting that job because she is black. Even today look around when you are on Tam and Gol. The chances of running into a black flight attendant are almost nil.
A couple of years ago the same friend applied to work at Club Med. She figured she was very qualified seeing that she has a degree in Physical Education. In the end no black people were selected.
My last year in graduate school my professor allowed me to attend the Sumaq Summit for International Business Strategies in Latin America. Among the people on the panel was a doctor from EAESP (Escola de Administracao de Empresas de Sao Paulo). Somehow the discussion turned to the marketing of hair care and beauty products in Brazil. One person in the audience stood up and asked why a certain company did not market their products to blacks. Seeing that half of Brazil is black it would only make sense (to the outsider) to market the products to them as well. The professor from Sao Paulo was caught off guard and tried to go around the question. That is when my professor made me stand up and explain the prejudice and economic disparity between black and white Brazilians.
The fact is and what the lady did not want to admit is that in general black Brazilians do not have money. They were not given the same opportunities coming out of slavery that blacks in the USA were given. Today the top 1% of Brazilians have 14% of the country's wealth, which is more money than the poorest 50% have. Most of this is old money and has come down from the days of the coffee and sugar barons. All in all, the company was not going to waste time, money, and resources marketing to blacks because there would be minimal return.
This site gives some figures on the racial disparities in Brazil's labor force http://www.globalrights.org/site/DocServer/LA_Fact_Sheets_RacialDisparities.pdf?docID=3627
I can even prove it: look at the elected official in Brasil. Tell me how many are even Mallato!?From the above site: Approximately two percent of roughly 1,060 diplomats, one of more than 100 generals, and eight of 600 members of the Federal Public Prosecution are black or brown.
Also take a look at the 100 most influential Brazilians of 2009. Each year that I see one of these lists I'm like damn. It is never representative of the Brazil I see when I walk down the street in any given Brazilian city. http://revistaepoca.globo.com/Revista/Epoca/0,,EMI108920-17445,00-OS+BRASILEIROS+MAIS+INFLUENTES+DE.html
observation.
Have you ever noticed that it is extremely important to brasilians to refer to their ancestry.
Most of the people I know do point out that they have ancestry in Europe. They make a big deal how their grandparents are italian, french, german, polish etc. That gives them more prestige.
Being european is big deal here, very big deal. Also if you know the country from where brasilian's family is from, you'll be even more accepted. Like my father-in-law, he's happy as pig in the shit since I married his daughter because I'm european. He's portuguese and its a big deal here. He has friends in such high positions that sometimes I'm really surprised. All this just because we have a passport that allows us to come and go as we please. Its a big deal here.
DJ FourMoney
05-17-10, 01:56
I wouldn't say most Brazilians. But I would say most white Brazilians. The black ones have experienced the prejudice so they do not deny it. I have a good friend who is a teacher in Rio. When she was in high school she told the counselor that she wanted to be a flight attendant. She said the lady looked at her and told her to be serious. There were no chances of getting that job because she is black. Even today look around when you are on Tam and Gol. The chances of running into a black flight attendant are almost nil.
A couple of years ago the same friend applied to work at Club Med. She figured she was very qualified seeing that she has a degree in Physical Education. In the end no black people were selected.
My last year in graduate school my professor allowed me to attend the Sumaq Summit for International Business Strategies in Latin America. Among the people on the panel was a doctor from EAESP (Escola de Administracao de Empresas de Sao Paulo). Somehow the discussion turned to the marketing of hair care and beauty products in Brazil. One person in the audience stood up and asked why a certain company did not market their products to blacks. Seeing that half of Brazil is black it would only make sense (to the outsider) to market the products to them as well. The professor from Sao Paulo was caught off guard and tried to go around the question. That is when my professor made me stand up and explain the prejudice and economic disparity between black and white Brazilians.
The fact is and what the lady did not want to admit is that in general black Brazilians do not have money. They were not given the same opportunities coming out of slavery that blacks in the USA were given. Today the top 1% of Brazilians have 14% of the country's wealth, which is more money than the poorest 50% have. Most of this is old money and has come down from the days of the coffee and sugar barons. All in all, the company was not going to waste time, money, and resources marketing to blacks because there would be minimal return.
This site gives some figures on the racial disparities in Brazil's labor force http://www.globalrights.org/site/DocServer/LA_Fact_Sheets_RacialDisparities.pdf?docID=3627
From the above site: Approximately two percent of roughly 1,060 diplomats, one of more than 100 generals, and eight of 600 members of the Federal Public Prosecution are black or brown.
Also take a look at the 100 most influential Brazilians of 2009. Each year that I see one of these lists I'm like damn. It is never representative of the Brazil I see when I walk down the street in any given Brazilian city. http://revistaepoca.globo.com/Revista/Epoca/0,,EMI108920-17445,00-OS+BRASILEIROS+MAIS+INFLUENTES+DE.html
I find that terribly interesting, racial problems is Latin America are NEVER discussed in America for whatever reason, but it seem every imagine of "South Americans" in our media is of fair skin.
I was just curious... Thanks.
observation.
Have you ever noticed that it is extremely important to brasilians to refer to their ancestry.
Most of the people I know do point out that they have ancestry in Europe. They make a big deal how their grandparents are italian, french, german, polish etc. That gives them more prestige.
Being european is big deal here, very big deal. Also if you know the country from where brasilian's family is from, you'll be even more accepted. Like my father-in-law, he's happy as pig in the shit since I married his daughter because I'm european. He's portuguese and its a big deal here. He has friends in such high positions that sometimes I'm really surprised. All this just because we have a passport that allows us to come and go as we please. Its a big deal here.My experience confirms that observation. On another note, as a a former frequenter at Help, what used to happen was: leave with a darker girl and the next night the white ones would kid and joke around about it in the vein of: 'haha, you couldn't get a white one.' Is that racism? Who knows.
KellySlater
05-17-10, 03:13
Why would you think that half of brazil is black?
Not even close.
Mr Enternational
05-17-10, 11:20
Why would you think that half of brazil is black? Not even close.When I say black I include the brown people as well. That is to say people of African descent. The people such as myself, Barack Obama, and Tiger Woods, not just the Wesley Snipes and Bernie Macs. I often explain to many of my friends from Central and South America that that moreno/mulatto stuff goes out the window when you leave South America. When you go to North America, Europe, or Asia you are going to be seen as black. Brazil is the country with the second most number of black people on the planet. Number one is Nigeria.
"The biggest cruelty we face is invisibility, the feeling that we don't exist," said Benedita da Silva, the vice-governor of Rio de Janeiro state and before that the first black woman elected to Brazil's Senate.
"We make up half of the population, but for the most part we don't occupy decisive political and social positions," she said. "We live on the margins, in the ghettos where people can't see us."
Almost half of Brazil's 170 million people are "Afro-descendants"
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/brazil/brazil-race.htm
According to the 1991 Brazilian census, the racial or color composition of the population was 52 percent white, 42 percent brown, 5 percent black, 0.4 percent Asian, and 0.2 percent Indigenous. Moreno is an ambiguous descriptor of race that may be applicable to a large majority of Brazilians and represents a traditional ideology of universalism and non-racialism since the 1930s. Since moreno and negro also translate as brown and black...Unlike the US, color or race in Brazil refers primarily to appearance rather than descent. For example, white persons in Brazil may have black ancestors while in the US, a tradition of hypodescent defines whites as persons with no black precursors (Harris 1964). Color or race in Brazil refers primarily to one’s skin tone, hair texture and color, and facial features
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/soc/faculty/telles/Paper_AffirmationandAmbiguity.pdf
As per the latest estimates, Brazil has a population of approximately 183.888 million people. Major ethnic groups include White – 53.7%, mixed white and black (mulatto) - 38.5% and others 0.9%. Other groups include Japanese, Arabs, Amerindians, unspecified – 0.7%.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.teachnet-lab.org/PS101/chornik/people1.gif&imgrefurl=http://facts-about-countries.com/2008/04/facts-about-brazil-population-2008/&h=493&w=554&sz=9&tbnid=xv_q0m_8majbeM:&tbnh=118&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbrazil%2Bethnic%2Bgroups&hl=en&usg=__a2xz6L3ZtFpLNZ1b1ebyhFvdXJw=&ei=tBPxS5uDFIH-8Aboxtj9Cg&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=8&ct=image&ved=0CDgQ9QEwBw
According to the 2006 census, Blacks are 7.4% or 12.908 million people of Brazil's population. Slavery in Brazil lasted for 350 years and brought nearly four million Africans to the country. Millions of Brazilians descend from Black slaves, although only twelve million are reported black by the IBGE. The number, however, is growing. According to IBGE, this trend is mainly because of the reevaluation of the identity of historically discriminated ethnic groups. The Pardos are a mixture of Europeans, Blacks and Amerindians. Brazil does not have a category for multiracial people, but a Pardo (brown) one, which may include mixed race, mulattos, and assimilated indigenous people ("caboclos"). The Pardos make up 42.6% or 79.782 million people of Brazil's population.
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demografia_do_Brasil
Sui Generis
05-17-10, 15:59
The crux of the matter boils down to the difference between racialism and racism.
You have to know a little of history of this country to understand where is the difference.
It's true that like other countries in the world there are sometimes expression of racism towards the Other.
Take for instance, in the beginning of the 20th Century, the case of the Italian migrants in Brazil. They were despised and called « carcamanos ». That attitude was also present in well know authors suc as Mario de Andrade, in Belazarte for instance, where he was truly against the rich Italians doing business in his country (like Matarazzo).
Plínio Salgado - inching towards fascism - in his novel O estrangeiro was also against a certain kind of stranger in Brazil.
The real issue concerns the fact that social status predominates over ethnic characters (racialism). One of my close friend, Dandara (a perfect name for a Black Brazilian like here because it's the name of the Zumbi dos Palmares' wife, the Black leader of a negro revolution in the 16th century) once said to me: If you have money here (São Paulo) everything is fine, they don't see your color. But if you're broke you're a damn nigger.
If you have money here (São Paulo) everything is fine, they don't see your color. But if you're broke you're a damn nigger.
That's probbly very accurate. And I admit that wealth is definitely more important than race in Brazil.
I also agree with Mr Enternational, when he writes "Brazil is the country with the second most number of black people on the planet".
It's probably true. Though he should say "mixed and black". Including all tones from black to "moreno".
And that's because, compared with the States, in Brazil, indians, portuguese, africans, italians, germans and japanese.. they all mixed somehow.
I'n not here to be judgemental. Each society evolves in it's own way. But it seems to me that if Brazil becomes a wealthy nation, racial limitations will be even more blurred.
If you have money here (São Paulo) everything is fine, they don't see your color.
Get real.
Many times in Brasil, in posh "in" clubs, I have witnessed the bouncers, themselves people of color, exclude people trying to get in on the basis of race and not of supposed wealth.
Sui Generis
05-18-10, 16:43
Get real.
Many times in Brasil, in posh "in" clubs, I have witnessed the bouncers, themselves people of color, exclude people trying to get in on the basis of race and not of supposed wealth.
Prosal,
And what is your interpretation of the case implying Grafite and an Argentinian futebol player that went to jail because of a racist slur?
There are laws in Brazil against racism (Law 7716/89). But here again it's mandatory to make the fine-grained distinction between racism and racialism.
Here's a text concenring this incident. (Concerning you expert opinons on Brazil it is obvious that you are fluent in that language...)
http://www.direitonet.com.br/artigos/exibir/2031/Caso-Grafite-injuria-qualificada-ou-racismo
There are laws in Brazil
You must be joking. Concerning you expert opinons on Brasil, you should know that "laws" and "Brasil" is an antinomy. :rolleyes:
Sui Generis
05-18-10, 21:47
You must be joking. Concerning you expert opinons on Brasil, you should know that "laws" and "Brasil" is an antinomy. :rolleyes:
What is sad about this matter of fact is that you're probably right.
Stinky Squid
05-19-10, 00:29
Oh man, I had 2 more escort GPs that I was going to schedule. One was a complete unknown I was going to conquer and the other a well reputed one. I already had it all figured out, but now I lost my heart! What fun is this? I have connected with a girl with the cutest face in all of Brazil. And we sent love SMSs. Now instead of going ahead with my GP plans, what do I do? Wait for her to respond so we can meet. Wow, what a wonderful place this is! A date with the cutest girl ever! If I wasn't already, I would marry her next month. But the cool thing is, she has asked all about my family situation and received honest answers from me. And after all this, we're still SMSing and hopefully I'll still be seeing her tonight or tomorrow at the latest (well, hopefully anyway.) Good bye GPs, gotta be open for what cards life deals you every day.
Oh man, I had 2 more escort GPs that I was going to schedule. One was a complete unknown I was going to conquer and the other a well reputed one. I already had it all figured out, but now I lost my heart! What fun is this? I have connected with a girl with the cutest face in all of Brazil. And we sent love SMSs. Now instead of going ahead with my GP plans, what do I do? Wait for her to respond so we can meet. Wow, what a wonderful place this is! A date with the cutest girl ever! If I wasn't already, I would marry her next month. But the cool thing is, she has asked all about my family situation and received honest answers from me. And after all this, we're still SMSing and hopefully I'll still be seeing her tonight or tomorrow at the latest (well, hopefully anyway.) Good bye GPs, gotta be open for what cards life deals you every day.
Sorry to say that you are being played big time.
She is a gold digger.
Next step is that you'll go for amok in shopping. Hope that you have enough limit in your credit card.
Good luck.
Stinky Squid
05-19-10, 03:54
Sorry to say that you are being played big time.
She is a gold digger.
Next step is that you'll go for amok in shopping. Hope that you have enough limit in your credit card.
Good luck.
Thanks for the advice. I think you might be right, and I'll keep that in mind. She's in fact trying to meet at a shopping place. But I won't go for this. I'll suggest to meet for the beach and go for dinner afterwards. But not to the shop-land. This will be decided tomorrow, and I can restart my planned program if that change of plan causes things to break. So far so good.
Appendix:
Hmm, let's spell it out. Place is Nuth. Girl with mother. Very interested in finding out about my marital status. Still holding the possibility of me single, I score with very nice making out, wonderfully enjoyable kisses and cuddling. Besides that she displays modesty. I get to pay their exit because of her card that doesn't work. I break the truth at the end of the night (based on their persistent asking.) Some SMSing I profess my infatuation and she responds likewise. Date did not work out next night. But she proposes for the next afternoon at shopping place. Everything up to the last one looked good. The last one is of course a tell-tale sign. Possibly she changed her strategy after learning the truth. Well, I will give it a try. If she doesn't meet me in a commercial-free zone tomorrow night, I will proceed with plan A.
Stinky Squid
05-20-10, 20:39
Guys, I seriously doubted her, I was 100 % set for having a fall-out with a gold digger. But could not have been any more wrong! The girl I met is not only the cutest one ever seen on the face of the earth, she is also the most humble and pure soul and the most fun to be with. The rest of this subject does not belong on this site any more.
My point is only: you can strike lucky here, but hell you better be prepared to be a good man when you do. I really pride myself that she ended up with me, probably the greatest sucker of this site when it comes to mongering. Man I can't bear the thought of any random monger breaking her pure heart while taking advantage of her.
Guys, I seriously doubted her, I was 100 % set for having a fall-out with a gold digger. But could not have been any more wrong! The girl I met is not only the cutest one ever seen on the face of the earth, she is also the most humble and pure soul and the most fun to be with. The rest of this subject does not belong on this site any more.
My point is only: you can strike lucky here, but hell you better be prepared to be a good man when you do. I really pride myself that she ended up with me, probably the greatest sucker of this site when it comes to mongering. Man I can't bear the thought of any random monger breaking her pure heart while taking advantage of her.
Stinky Squid. Good luck! I feel very happy for you. There is nothing like true love. Go for it!
B.B.
Stinky Squid
05-23-10, 18:19
Stinky Squid. Good luck! I feel very happy for you. There is nothing like true love. Go for it!
B.B.
Thanks. I had some absolutely amazing very happy-and-sad days. But I am not sure anyone should feel happy for me. I was a relatively happy married man and now I am doomed. If you take the girl with you in your heart, you have a hard problem to solve. I suppose it's easier to get rid of Gonorrhea than of the love-bug. If anyone here on the forum has some advice for me, I'd appreciate open discussion or a PM.
Stinky Squid. Before we go any further I'd like you to answer a few questions. Where did you meet the girl? How do you communicate? What do you know of her background? Why am I asking. Well brasilian working girls are best actresses in the world. I have feeling that you're being played. Of course I can be wrong but I doubt.
Stinky Squid
05-24-10, 08:11
Stinky Squid. Before we go any further I'd like you to answer a few questions. Where did you meet the girl? How do you communicate? What do you know of her background? Why am I asking. Well brasilian working girls are best actresses in the world. I have feeling that you're being played. Of course I can be wrong but I doubt.
Hi Perkele, I would be so glad if you could convince me I'm being played. Then I could make a decision and move on.
I met her at Nuth (described in some detail few messages ago).
I communicate with her by listening to her talking (much and I enjoy it so much just listening to her.) She talks on for hours about her problems, about her child, teaches me her language, asks me words in my languages, complements me, speaks about how much she appreciates me, teaches me the names of the fruits she feeds me, you name any expression of joy love and intimacy, she does it to me. To me conversing with her is totally effortless because we can laugh and forget time by mostly her talking and I get the gist of what she says. She hardly asks questions that would stop the conversation, she keeps things flowing. I can talk with her by stringing some words together which she helps me get right, or by typing into Google translate. Usually I just look at her and listen, and after 4 hours like that we start cuddling I caress her while she goes on talking about how good she feels with me and more sweet things. Now that we are in different parts of the world, we will be emailing and I can ask a bit more detailed questions and understand her answers in better accuracy. But even her written words are from out of this world yet naturally delivered in simplicity.
What I know about her background is what she told me and I met her mom once. She just came out of some relationship stress of her own, and that's still going on. So she often compares how good she feels with me with that prior experience. I'm afraid to give too much detail as it might identify her to someone who knows the story. But suffice it to say that time could now make certain things clearer. May be she has so many problems of her own that her being in love with me is some sort of passing strong feeling by which she gets over her emotional problems. So at some point then her feelings should subside.
There is a good bit of her background that is still somewhat obscure to me. She would never let me pick her up or bring her to where she lives with her family. I have begged her to send me an address so I can pick her up. I think she walks for hours to meet me and to return. She is making little lies about this but from what I see this is because she might be embarrassed about something or may be because of her acute issues with her previous relationship.
How I know she is not a gold digger? 1. she never talks about money or things she likes to get, 2. she walks for miles to our meetings and doesn't let me chauffeur her in a taxi, 3. she never asked me for anything, 4. she seems honest and shy just very natural, has none of the gorgeous-girl attitude. 5. her tears about our meeting and separation in light of her own issues seem sincere. 6. she talks about God and truth and encourages me to go home to my family and be happy while she will be content with loving me from afar.
If hers is a scheme, it is extremely well played. And involves a lot of freebies for me without any reward to her. I had 2 incredible encounters with her 12 and 16 hours of pure bliss for me. I felt like I was in paradise, at the fountain of heavenly love itself that is filling my whole being body and soul. She is so pretty that she would have an easy time to find herself a sugar daddy if she wanted to. I am no sugar daddy and what she sees from me does not show her any above-average indication that I would become one. So if her love for me so beautifully expressed in words and deeds would not be sincere, her only game could be that she believes I will throw away my marriage (for which she has no indication that I would) then after I would marry her (which she can trust I would in an instant if I was free) she might turn around and make my life a hell and end up with an alimony or something. But that is such a remote reward for her in my case, that I just can't believe she would play such a cool game. If she was cool, she could play a game with better odds on someone else.
One thing I am still considering is her emotional/psychological baggage that makes her be so sincere now but might not last. I am analyzing the heck out of this trying to find a fault in her. It makes me feel so bad to seek a blemish in her as she appears to me as such a lovely being in body and soul. The only reason I even discuss her here is that I don't know with whom else I could speak about the trouble I am in?
Man I love her so much, I feel so 100% fulfilled and happy and blissful with her. I can be just myself and she expresses such wonderful love to me it is from out of this world. I would never even think about leaving my wife for something so-so, you guys are my witnesses. Have I not failed in every mongering activity? Have I not always ended up trolling here that I felt my wife-sex was the best sex? But now the pure heavenly joy I received from this girl - even without completing sex for me with her - is just so overwhelming I can not think how I could give that up. I just hope (and fear) that it may somehow end itself. I would be the happiest man in the world just for these 2 meetings with her in paradise. But if she does not stop giving me these feelings, I don't know what to do.
Hi Perkele, I would be so glad if you could convince me I'm being played. Then I could make a decision and move on.
I met her at Nuth (described in some detail few messages ago).
I communicate with her by listening to her talking (much and I enjoy it so much just listening to her.) She talks on for hours about her problems, about her child, teaches me her language, asks me words in my languages, complements me, speaks about how much she appreciates me, teaches me the names of the fruits she feeds me, you name any expression of joy love and intimacy, she does it to me. To me conversing with her is totally effortless because we can laugh and forget time by mostly her talking and I get the gist of what she says. She hardly asks questions that would stop the conversation, she keeps things flowing. I can talk with her by stringing some words together which she helps me get right, or by typing into Google translate. Usually I just look at her and listen, and after 4 hours like that we start cuddling I caress her while she goes on talking about how good she feels with me and more sweet things. Now that we are in different parts of the world, we will be emailing and I can ask a bit more detailed questions and understand her answers in better accuracy. But even her written words are from out of this world yet naturally delivered in simplicity.
What I know about her background is what she told me and I met her mom once. She just came out of some relationship stress of her own, and that's still going on. So she often compares how good she feels with me with that prior experience. I'm afraid to give too much detail as it might identify her to someone who knows the story. But suffice it to say that time could now make certain things clearer. May be she has so many problems of her own that her being in love with me is some sort of passing strong feeling by which she gets over her emotional problems. So at some point then her feelings should subside.
There is a good bit of her background that is still somewhat obscure to me. She would never let me pick her up or bring her to where she lives with her family. I have begged her to send me an address so I can pick her up. I think she walks for hours to meet me and to return. She is making little lies about this but from what I see this is because she might be embarrassed about something or may be because of her acute issues with her previous relationship.
How I know she is not a gold digger? 1. she never talks about money or things she likes to get, 2. she walks for miles to our meetings and doesn't let me chauffeur her in a taxi, 3. she never asked me for anything, 4. she seems honest and shy just very natural, has none of the gorgeous-girl attitude. 5. her tears about our meeting and separation in light of her own issues seem sincere. 6. she talks about God and truth and encourages me to go home to my family and be happy while she will be content with loving me from afar.
If hers is a scheme, it is extremely well played. And involves a lot of freebies for me without any reward to her. I had 2 incredible encounters with her 12 and 16 hours of pure bliss for me. I felt like I was in paradise, at the fountain of heavenly love itself that is filling my whole being body and soul. She is so pretty that she would have an easy time to find herself a sugar daddy if she wanted to. I am no sugar daddy and what she sees from me does not show her any above-average indication that I would become one. So if her love for me so beautifully expressed in words and deeds would not be sincere, her only game could be that she believes I will throw away my marriage (for which she has no indication that I would) then after I would marry her (which she can trust I would in an instant if I was free) she might turn around and make my life a hell and end up with an alimony or something. But that is such a remote reward for her in my case, that I just can't believe she would play such a cool game. If she was cool, she could play a game with better odds on someone else.
One thing I am still considering is her emotional/psychological baggage that makes her be so sincere now but might not last. I am analyzing the heck out of this trying to find a fault in her. It makes me feel so bad to seek a blemish in her as she appears to me as such a lovely being in body and soul. The only reason I even discuss her here is that I don't know with whom else I could speak about the trouble I am in?
Man I love her so much, I feel so 100% fulfilled and happy and blissful with her. I can be just myself and she expresses such wonderful love to me it is from out of this world. I would never even think about leaving my wife for something so-so, you guys are my witnesses. Have I not failed in every mongering activity? Have I not always ended up trolling here that I felt my wife-sex was the best sex? But now the pure heavenly joy I received from this girl - even without completing sex for me with her - is just so overwhelming I can not think how I could give that up. I just hope (and fear) that it may somehow end itself. I would be the happiest man in the world just for these 2 meetings with her in paradise. But if she does not stop giving me these feelings, I don't know what to do.Hi SS,
I think you could be up for a bit of an emotional beating on this one. I do hope not, but these girls are very very good at what they do. Been there many times. Once they think they have you spellbound. That is when the tragic life emergencies will start. These emergencies will undoubtedly require financial help from you. I personally invent stories of my own and always lie about how long I am going to be there. Then send a message or call from the airport about an emergency of my own that I have to deal with (try and leave before the hit). I always calculate what I would have spent for an honest pro over the time, half it and make sure that she gets that money(bearing in mind this is ten times what she would get from a job). This is not the place to go looking for love. It can happen, but from what you have posted I would say this is not the case. I know it can be difficult to stand back and look at yourself and your situation. To me it sounds like a classic case of growing a dick on the forehead, can't see the truth when your testicles are hanging in your eyes. Try and remember real people don't work so hard to tell you what they think you want to hear.
fwiw Brasilian girls I'd say aren't just good actresses - although that is true - many actually live the part and believe in it with almost religious fervour. There are girls who knowingly rack up a few husbands who keep them in comfortable alimony. Some might have done it with that intention, some might have simply 'realised' that their life was going that way. But there's also girls who have made devoted partners.
Admittedly they are probably streets ahead of most countries culturally when it comes to emotional negotiations, but whether they also have a good heart and the personality to settle down is another matter and one that can only be determined really on a case by case basis.
I've said for years now that if I ever settle down again it will most likely be with a Brasilain woman.
Things I would I think ask myself if in a situation as close to that described as I have come across and can imagine -
I look a few years ahead, quite analytically and unemotionally - can I realistically visualise both she and I successfully adapting to whichever country we decide to live in. Will out mutual social, financial and standard-of-living goals be reasonably satisfied (they might seem irrelevant in the first flush of love but are very relevant to its continuance). Are we sufficiently accepting / able to integrate each other's religious beliefs. Then I also think from my own cultural perspective. I like a woman who has her own life even if she is living with me, can earn a living, even if it is different financially to my own. But not all men think like this and a great number of women don't. So can our basic ideas about gender roles work harmoniously. If there is an age difference, will that be a problem on a personal or social level for either of us in the future, even if it isn't now. If we have a relationship now that is not and never has had an element of programma, how will I feel if I find out if there is that in her past (or anything else that I might react to). Crucially, if we make long term plans but are likely to be apart for a period while they are getting finalised, am I going to be distraught if I discover that she has been unfaithful (either pdp or affairs) while I have left her on her own.
The Brasilian attitude to relationships and fidelity is quite special - probably more similar to France than anywhere else I can think of but without the pretence of laisser-faire. It is normal for the large proportion of Brasilians to have an affair on the side, even when they are deeply committed to their partners and family. The rule is, no-one is supposed to ever find out (when they do, histrionics are the order of the day). One is expected to 'believe' the lie (if it is a lie) that one's partner is not like every other man/woman, that he/she would never have an affair, that they are the paragon of moral uprightness. Not only believe it, but make a public hue and cry about how special they are. The rule is based on what you know. Not what you vaguely imagine. (American culture is far more into imagining what might be - in Brasil, your public image is 'reality').
Now I know girls that have moved away from Brasil and adopted the relationship rules of the country they move to and really are very happily married by Western standards as well. But there are so many that find their sexual/social/whatever needs are not met and decide maybe then to play the damn game 'cos he deserved it' lol.
Good luck!
Mr Enternational
05-24-10, 16:45
I met her at Nuth (described in some detail few messages ago).
What I know about her background is what she told me and I met her mom once.
She would never let me pick her up or bring her to where she lives with her family.
I think she walks for hours to meet me and to return.
She is making little lies about this but from what I see this is because she might be embarrassed about something or may be because of her acute issues with her previous relationship.
I'm not saying she's a gold digger, but....
Correct me if I'm wrong. Nuth is a rather upscale club. I have never been there but from what I've read on the forum it costs a few more reais than I'm willing to pay just to enter the place. You say you met her there then you go on to add that you think she walks miles to meet you. Newsflash: With as many buses and vans that run around Brazil I have never know a Brazilian to walk miles. Maybe a few blocks, but not miles. She had enough money to go to Nuth, but not enough to take a bus?
You met her mom but she won't let you meet the rest of the family? That seems odd. Seems more likely that you would meet cousins and friends in social situations when you are with a person. Example: She could have been with cousins at Nuth when you met her. Moms and dads you usually meet last when someone is sure about you. Yet you met the matriarch out of the starting block, but are shielded from meeting people in the family who hold less rank. That is fishy.
Making lies. Well we know she is definitely hiding something. I wouldn't try to speculate on what it is though. I would say you are ahead of the game. You already banged her a few times and you haven't spent much money on her. Still, if I was you I wouldn't get too wrapped up in her. She seems like the type that would disappear and cut you off in a heartbeat. It may not be about gold digging. You could just be an escape from her normal life, whatever that may be.
Member #3433
05-24-10, 19:01
I'm not saying she's a gold digger, but.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Nuth is a rather upscale club. I have never been there but from what I've read on the forum it costs a few more reais than I'm willing to pay just to enter the place. You say you met her there then you go on to add that you think she walks miles to meet you. Newsflash: With as many buses and vans that run around Brazil I have never know a Brazilian to walk miles. Maybe a few blocks, but not miles. She had enough money to go to Nuth, but not enough to takeConcur with Mr. E. I have been to Nuth MANY times, as recently as last month. I have met serveral girls there (Geez I love the fact Brasilians love to make out) ranging from spoiled rich 18 year olds to professional 30 somethings. Her telling you she is walking would throw a red flag. That club is very exspensive. What part of Rio does she live in? What part of Rio is her family from? Does she work? Do you have evidence that she has a job? How much experience to you have in Brasil? I am only guessing not much due that you stated the language barrier between you and her. No slam on you as I consider myself a newbie.
Dude. I am not trying to throw a wet blanket on your party, just be careful. I love Brasil, buying property there, and I love Brasilian women just as much as any other guy. Wish I would have discovered this place 10 years ago in my 20's. Be careful and take your time. I don't know how old you are but there are guys on this board rockin' Brasil that are twice my age. So there is no hurry. Brasil isn't going anywhere. Are you going back to see her anytime soon?
Stinky Squid
05-24-10, 20:52
Hi Guys, I appreciate so much your kind advice on my little problem with the love-bug. To give back in return and make it not all about me, I am telling you here a little about this Nuth place.
The location is at a corner of where the Av. das Americas crosses the canal on the east end of Barra. Av. Armando Lombardi, 999, Barra da Tijuca. It's marked in Google maps already, but I think the exact coordinates are -23.007033,-43.313733. Web site is http://www.nuth.com.br.
You probably start going there by 10pm or so and action ends at 4am. You get in showing your id (I carry a color copy of my passport, that was enough. Some can even get in without id just entering their data into computer.) You get a card for 2 drinks free. The cost was R$ 40 for males (not R$ 70 as someone else said, may be it depends on season) and R$ 30 for females. You pay as exit fee, so you can worry about that later. I am sure some girls go in knowing they won't have to pay because they can pick up someone who covers her tab.
Inside the ratio of male to female was almost skewed to the female side at first. A lot of them are cougars, but not bad at all. It does not seem to be a semi-pro pick-up joint, but I had limited exposure. I know just normal working people go there to have some fun. Later in the evening, the M/F ratio was slightly more on the M side, but still pretty even. The males were also not the youngest, so it's pretty much a middle-age type of place.
Music is whatever the typical dance club music is. Nothing special. The ambiente is alright. You can eat upstairs and there is one pool table, but who goes there to eat or play pool :) So you'll be most likely downstairs checking out the people and who is available trying to chat up. The dance floor is not big and gets crowded, but there are these somewhat separated seating groups where you sometimes find a bunch of girls together. The group next to where I danced with my mother daughter pair was actually not bad at all and I don't remember seeing them with many male visitors.
Drinks over the limit are only mildly expensive. One Smirnoff above your allowance costs you R$ 8 extra, for example. When you go out you pay your tab. Many locals pay with credit cards, so I think that this scare that your card numbers gets stolen everywhere in Brazil is actually no longer true.
I would not go to this place if I wanted a selection of young ladies who are just a quick pick up. Certainly not for pros. As usual, the pretty ones are often encircled by others and somewhat out of reach to the casual passer-by. And there aren't necessarily that many pretty ones. So this is not the place for a quick lay - and neither necessarily the place for true love, except in exceptional circumstances of course :)
Nuth
Beware in Nuth. Missing up with the "wrong" girl there (as in any Zona Sul or Barra de Tijuca club like Baronetti, Sao Thome, Bombar, ect, ect) can lead to very serious trouble with berserk half-drunk steroidized Gracie jiu-jitsu gringo-hater pitboys (the majority of the male clientele in those places) delighted to have found a foolish foreigner to beat up.
Mongers who ponder about chasing skirts in regular "in" clubs in Rio better be extra-careful.
Those Carioca pitboys DON'T like gringos(to say the least). And they are filled with testosterone. And they HATE when sex-hungry gringos try to steal "their" prime women in "their" places. This old cliché drives them nuts. The last thing you want during your vacations in Rio is trouble with some local jeunesse doree violent pitboys.
Many young cariocas (vicious flatheads is not a Russian exclusiveness) are spiteful gringo-haters burros. And this is even more true in "redneck" Brasil like in Belo H or Goiania BTW.
Stinky Squid
05-24-10, 21:12
Correct me if I'm wrong. Nuth is a rather upscale club. I have never been there but from what I've read on the forum it costs a few more reais than I'm willing to pay just to enter the place. You say you met her there then you go on to add that you think she walks miles to meet you. Newsflash: With as many buses and vans that run around Brazil I have never know a Brazilian to walk miles. Maybe a few blocks, but not miles. She had enough money to go to Nuth, but not enough to take a bus?
Yes that is a mystery. Did she take a bus, may be. But she took a long time to reach home in one case. Actually she ended up not being able to pay. I picked up that tab after her attempt to pay failed. But it was just the right thing to do, I like to be chivalrous with the ladies, and that was one thing that ignited her flame, not because of greed but genuinely. The family or friends even called my cellphone to find out where she was. The phone situation is not rich with her either. I do think she needs to watch the budget. But yes, a bus could have worked too.
You met her mom but she won't let you meet the rest of the family? That seems odd. Seems more likely that you would meet cousins and friends in social situations when you are with a person. Example: She could have been with cousins at Nuth when you met her. Moms and dads you usually meet last when someone is sure about you. Yet you met the matriarch out of the starting block, but are shielded from meeting people in the family who hold less rank. That is fishy.
But I think it was true. The age difference between these two ladies was making it quite plausible. I think they are just good friends too, her and her mom. I also get to talk a sibling of hers once on the phone. They seem to be all in the loop on what's going on. I think she has a really nice family actually. Just she never wanted me to see her place. My theory is she lives in a bit of a crowded downtrodden place and is ashamed of that. This would fit her shyness and otherwise fine demeanor. She likes things nice and tidy and when they are not, she does not want to expose me to it. I try telling her that I enjoy to be everywhere she is and everything about her, but she is really cute in keeping these limits in some more intimate issues as well. Very cute.
Making lies. Well we know she is definitely hiding something. I wouldn't try to speculate on what it is though. I would say you are ahead of the game. You already [had a very intimate enjoyable time with] her a few times and you haven't spent much money on her. Still, if I was you I wouldn't get too wrapped up in her. She seems like the type that would disappear and cut you off in a heartbeat. It may not be about gold digging. You could just be an escape from her normal life, whatever that may be.
Yes, that is true, and in fact, that would be the best outcome, as sad as it would be. I just hope she'll be happy whatever she does. I am so grateful if I could have been of help to make her feel good a few times, because I was in paradise with her. I had a time of pure bliss that I will think about even on my deathbed 50 years later (or whenever).
Yes that is a mystery. Did she take a bus, may be. But she took a long time to reach home in one case. Actually she ended up not being able to pay. I picked up that tab after her attempt to pay failed.
Just she never wanted me to see her place.
Obviously she doesn't seem to be a "prime" target by Zona Sul (or Nuth) standarts. Rather a periferiada or a favelada.
I find that the poorer girls are often the worst if looking for serious relationships, as they are one-track mind gold-diggers. It's in their blood and called survival.
Thanks. I had some absolutely amazing very happy-and-sad days. But I am not sure anyone should feel happy for me. I was a relatively happy married man and now I am doomed. If you take the girl with you in your heart, you have a hard problem to solve. I suppose it's easier to get rid of Gonorrhea than of the love-bug. If anyone here on the forum has some advice for me, I'd appreciate open discussion or a PM.That's a fishy story you have going, Squid. Are you by any chance a member of a nationality these people might not be familiar with?
Carlos Primeros
05-24-10, 23:20
Hi Stinky,
I had been once in a similar situation like you. The best thing to solve it is to have a very open word.
I told my Noiva that either we play it straight - and I am very very serious - or we better forget it. It took her 5 minutes to come around - I met here family (the real family) and we all still have until today a very good relation. Meanwhile my ex-Noiva is a dentist and I still see here when I come to Rio. (six to seven times a year for one or two weeks) The relation lasted for 6 years and we are still the very best friends. We only could not agree to live together in a fixed relation - she did not want to accept my "side-trips", which I did not want to give up. Otherwise I would have had the very best wife!
I wish you all the best - however it works out for you.
Carlos
Member #3433
05-24-10, 23:21
Beware in Nuth. Missing up with the "wrong" girl there (as in any Zona Sul or Barra de Tijuca clubs like Baronetti, Sao Thome, Bombar, ect,ect) can lead to very serious trouble with berserk half-drunk steroidized Gracie jiu-jitsu gringo-hater pitboys (the majority of the male clientele in those places) delighted to have found a foolish foreigner to beat up.
Mongers who ponder about chasing skirts in regular "in" clubs in Rio better be extra-careful.
Those Carioca steroidized pitboys DON'T like gringos (to say the least) and are filled with testosterone. I'm really not joking. They HATE when sex-hungry gringos try to steal "their" prime women in "their" places. This old cliché drives them nuts. And the last thing you want in vacations in Rio is trouble with some local jeunesse doree pitboys.
Many young cariocas (vicious flatheads is not a exclusiveness of Russia) are spiteful gringo-haters burros.And this is even more true in "redneck" Brasil like in Belo H or Goiania BTW.Prosal, not trying to start a flame war. But when was the last time you were in Nuth or Baronetti, Boox etc? I have been in Nuth a few times this year, recently three weeks ago. I am not saying you have never seen these guys giving gringos a problem? I have never seen any "Steroidized" guys at any of these places. Isn't this a little "over reactive" to tell guys to stay away from some of the trendy night clubs in Rio. Some younger mongers, I would assume (to include myself) will enjoy these places.
I have heard stories about these pit boys since 2007 on my first trip but have yet to see them? I am in shape (6'3" 240 191/108 kilos). Maybe I do not notice them. I have not noticed many big guys period in Rio, even in the gyms I have been to. Not big (or steroidized as you say) compared to the USA
I am too busy having a good time to worry about things like this. I will eventually outgrow these clubs with age. In the meantime I will continue to enjoy them. I think (IMHO) that trying to scare off guys from these clubs is not good advice. When there could possibly be some guys reading this board that would enjoy this club.
I will be back in a few months if anyone wants to go to these clubs with me. We can hire personal security if anyone is worried about their personal well being.
Sonny
P.S. If I get my a$$ kicked at one of these clubs I will be sure to report. It would not be the first time I have been on the losing end. Haha
Stinky Squid
05-25-10, 02:23
Hi Stinky,
I had been once in a similar situation like you. The best thing to solve it is to have a very open word.
I told my Noiva that either we play it straight - and I am very very serious - or we better forget it. It took her 5 minutes to come around - I met here family (the real family) and we all still have until today a very good relation. Meanwhile my ex-Noiva is a dentist and I still see here when I come to Rio. (six to seven times a year for one or two weeks) The relation lasted for 6 years and we are still the very best friends. We only could not agree to live together in a fixed relation - she did not want to accept my "side-trips", which I did not want to give up. Otherwise I would have had the very best wife!
Carlos thanks for your advice. It sounds like both of these ladies are from Brazil? What did you mean by "play it straight"? The open word issue is dicey. So far my plan is to see how things go just emailing her, understand everything better. Then see how she might move on. If I sense a reduced interest in me, I shall encourage that. I always tell her that the most that matters is for her to be happy, because I really love her. And she tells me the same. In the best case we would go forth in life as the best friends and - if it is true about the Brazilian way of life, i.e., that they let some things cooking on the side - we would meet from time to time for a reunion. The main spouses would not need to know anything that would only upset them, and life could proceed.
The straight open talk would probably lead to divorce and fall-out with much pain. I am being advised that sometimes truth is less important than avoidance of chronic pain. On the other hand, to make a such a big shift in life leaving behind an important part of my life, is a huge decision. I would look into the mirror seeing someone who bailed out of a commitment just because of greater pleasures. But man what pleasures those are! Still having my beloved kids turn in anger against me is a very tough thought to think. So many consequences. But such a sweet reward. If only it was just a dream.
Member #3439
05-25-10, 02:35
I would look into the mirror seeing someone who bailed out of a commitment just because of greater pleasures. But man what pleasures those are! Still having my beloved kids turn in anger against me is a very tough thought to think. So many consequences. But such a sweet reward. If only it was just a dream.
I am sure you are a great guy, but ask yourself why she wants you instead of a local Brasilian guy that she might have a lot in common with. Usually its money or the opportunity to get away to something new. Once the newness wears off, where does that leave you? Probably with a pissed off ex-wife, pissed off-kids, and finally a pissed off Brasilian wife.
Please keep your head clear and look deep. Success in ISG-related things usually means keeping foreign stuff foreign, and leaving the same way you arrived. Except with an lighter wallet and worn out dick. Else you end up having a sob story like 80% of the guys who monger over in PI.
The best thing about the improved economy in Brasil is that Brasilians have more money now and garotas are more inclined to make a life with local guys, hence less potential for mistakes between them and foreigners. Five years ago, it seemed there were many garotas looking for a way out...now, not so much. So think of her motives, and what's wrong with your own life and how that can be fixed, and then make a decision.
Boa Sorte!
-PP
Squid, you are being played. If the girl would have any real interest in you, besides the loot in the end, she'd taken you to her home. There is BULLSHIT written all over her doings. I wouldn't take that shit for a half a second. Seems that she is a favela girl and I'm sure that there are many others that can confirm that relationships with them won't work, no matter how nice they seem to be. Now, have your fun but remember that it's like in a brasilian bar you pay in the end. Sorry.
Poucolouco
05-25-10, 04:13
... to make a such a big shift in life leaving behind an important part of my life, is a huge decision. I would look into the mirror seeing someone who bailed out of a commitment just because of greater pleasures. But man what pleasures those are! Still having my beloved kids turn in anger against me is a very tough thought to think. So many consequences. But such a sweet reward. If only it was just a dream.
Now you're thinking clearly. Pay attention to the little guy on your shoulder who is whispering in your ear. Forget this Brasiliera princesa. Don't throw away the love of your wife and kids. If you still need something special in your life, go buy a Porsche. You'll save money in the long run.
Stinky Squid
05-25-10, 04:43
Guys, I thank you so much. This is not a decision I want to think with my dick, no for sure. My dick is not so much involved as is my heart. But that makes mistakes too. There is a lot to figure out and that takes time. First I need her to read her emails and respond. I don't think you are quite right about her though.
Have you guys known many Favela girls? How are they behaving? My girl is very well mannered, she can teach me manners. She writes beautiful words, but no punctuation (I have to insert periods to make Google translate make sense). Family has cell phones but she doesn't always take hers (shared with her sibling). She dresses well, over 3 days no variation of style, but it's not always the same either. What education level would you expect from a Favela girl?
And yes, I know the fact that I'm a foreigner is probably an incentive for her - as of course her origin is an incentive for me (= pretty). So not necessarily a bad thing. It does raise a question about how sustainable this is.
Also, I'm not the first married man she messes with. So there is a bit of a pattern here. But I am more concerned about her psycho/emotional disposition rather than an intentional approach. It seems harder with me than it could be if she went for single men. I do believe that at a minimum she totally believes in her act genuinely. But as you guys said, that does not mean the act is genuine reality.
What do you think how long she would go without receiving some financial reward? I don't want to test her like a lab-rat, but if she seeks the reward, she would at some point move on if none proceeds. Remember, not a single time did she ask me for help, even though I know she has trouble going on. Would she wait an entire year for me to make a move? If her's was a game, would she not need to see some results rather soon? If so, how soon? When would you believe that it's genuine? What motives other than wealth or genuine feeling of love could make her hold on for a substantial amount of time?
And even though I did not meet her family, I have been introduced to mother and a sibling. She's called the sibling to help with some internet issue. And I talked to that person later. They seem to have a computer with internet at home, something to recover a password during one phone call. Does that sound like Favela? Still she hasn't read my emails.
Squid.
I know that you're trying to convince yourself that you have met a nice normal girl that is not after your money. There is always that possibility too, BUT some points that you have mentioned do raise a red flag.
1. She doesn't want you to go to her home. Why? That simply doesn't make any sense. I've been all around in Rio, visited my girlfriend's homes and so on. Every time girl doesn't want you to go to her place, there is something fishy.
2. She has a child. That is a big no no in Brasil. Single mother has almost zero chance of finding a husband. It does happen, but....
3. You paid her bill on first night. She had no money. No brasilian goes to a nightclub without money unless she/he has certainty that she/he will find someone to pay the bill. Pretty girl has no problem with that. She may not be a working girl but she is a gold digger without a doubt. It would be different if you'd met her somewhere else and then if you'd taken her to nightclub, no worries there.
4. Communication. Until I learned to speak the language I had next to nil chances to meet "normal" women. Especially in Rio women have zero patience to try to communicate with a gringo if she doesn't speak any English. I have had my good share of working girls or "semiprofessional" who'd been more than happy to "teach" me portuguese. Although since I learned the language and I've improved it to near perfection I've learned that many of those women simply do not know a shit of their mother tongue. Thus if she has difficulties with commas etc. she can't have very high level of education.
Then some quick answers to your last post.
Favela girls can be extremely well behaved. Not all of them are loudmouthed skanks.
What comes to living conditions in favs, believe me they have it all: internet, satellite/cable TV, water, sanitation, power etc. Also for free or they pay a nominal fee to "community" who has originally stolen the services from service providers.
Fav girls frequently borrow clothes, cellphones and even boyfriends to each other, depending on the demand.
And last but not least, trust me every day she spends with you she is gaining something since you are paying for everything. Imagine that minimum wage is just above 500 R$ per month and a girl without any education can't expect to earn more than that, regardless how pretty she is since there are thousands of uneducated pretty girls only in Rio.
Have fun, do not get too deeply involved and then just [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off. Do not worry about the girl, she'll have someone consoling her within 20 seconds after your plane has took off.
I think (IMHO) that trying to scare off guys from these clubs is not good advice.
Pitboys violence is a very recurrent matter on brasilian TV, that often say that clubs in Rio are being plagued by a re-emergence of pitboy gangs (that effectively originally surfaced in the late 90s, and alleviated during the mid 2000s).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1taZs3_UchU
That being said, you are right, no need to be excessively paranoiac. One can have great nights out in those Rio fancy clubs. I myself travel to areas (Stans, Moldova,ect) swarming with dumb flatheads who can go berserk in a heartbeat, I go out a lot, and I rarely have problems (nonetheless got last year a cornea brisure after a brawl in a Tashkent club).
Anyway those carioca battler pitboys are not a myth, but a reality, and trouble with those guys will certainly not add to your travel pleasure. In those clubs, there's a few rules to follow, the n°1 being to be extra careful not hitting the "wrong" girl and not pissing off her pitboy boyfriend (or wannabe boyfriend).
Stinky Squid
05-25-10, 15:58
Once again, thank you for your advice. It's awesome to have you guys. I hope that you don't feel like I am hijacking this entire thread for my personal consultation. I hope that there is some learning an general interest in this for others in here too.
Squid.
I know that you're trying to convince yourself that you have met a nice normal girl that is not after your money. There is always that possibility too, BUT ...
Yes, that is exactly what I want to find out for sure. Check the red flags, learn about what the culture means whether Favelada or Periferiada, I know very little about all that. I am a sincere guy and love girls personally (to the point of not being able to act out sexual fantasies with hookers because I even look at them with affection and care). I am looking for that little miracle, but I am skeptical, always was, just had always been surprised by her.
I can also tell you that she has flown internationally and she is originally from a different city in Brazil and considering to moving to that city again (other family there). None of this rules out your concerns, but one possibility is that she stays transiently in a downtrodden neighborhood because of things that are going on acutely.
That said, do you know of any Favela that is anywhere around the vicinity of Barra Shopping? I couldn't find one, and yet that was always the landmark where she was suggesting to pick up and drop off. So I figure she must be somewhere there.
Regarding gain, from me, she has not materially gained much. I never bought her anything but the food we shared. And I am actually no longer in Rio. I called her last night and she sounded happy to hear me and was talking how much she misses me etc. She sent even an international SMS. All the SMS exchange she pays for. I didn't buy her a phone or even a refill card.
So, don't you think that by just seeing how long she will uphold a relationship that is now merely based on talking and writing emails, and how long she will be holding back with making any request for material goods, should that not be a way to clear things up?
2. She has a child. That is a big no no in Brasil. Single mother has almost zero chance of finding a husband. It does happen, but....
Yes, and I know how that happened. There is no secret about this. In my view, from what you said, this fact alone can explain why in her situation she can be more inclined to have true affection for me and put up with the language barrier, because she knows that I do not mind her children.
3. You paid her bill on first night. She had no money. No brasilian goes to a nightclub without money unless she/he has certainty that she/he will find someone to pay the bill.
Again, I don't want to sound argumentative, but she had a card that somehow didn't work. Of course that can be for show too. I imagine she really wasn't able to afford it, but I would not be surprised if girls know that the club let's girls off the hook in the end, because she did bring value into the club and the club did not really lose anything. On the other hand, I think she did blow off a few advancing men initially, so didn't go with the first one as if desperate to find one to pay the fee.
but she is a gold digger without a doubt.
I look forward to the day when she actually starts digging. Because at least then I know. So far, no digging of any kind.
I've learned that many of those women simply do not know a shit of their mother tongue. Thus if she has difficulties with commas etc. she can't have very high level of education.
Yes, another ambiguous sign. I can't judge the quality of her Portuguese, except that she says pretty poetic things. But I know she speaks more than one language, just none that we share. She constantly teaches me the words in more than one language.
Have fun, do not get too deeply involved and then just [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off. Do not worry about the girl, she'll have someone consoling her within 20 seconds after your plane has took off.
Somehow I can't not worry about the girl. I am gone already and I am now simply watching if she holds up the relationship and affection over the distance without receiving material rewards. I'll watch her personal situation evolve. This may take a year. If it falls apart then, it's fine. If the flame stays burning, I'm in trouble.
Quick answers.
From Barra Shopping she can EASILY go to Cidade de Deus (or any other favela in Jacarepagua or other direction, Rio das Pedras. Or maybe to Recreio favs. In Barra there is exclusively very expensive and posh houses and apartment and those people have money. So she would have at least a car and might even speak English if she'd live there.
Well if you're already gone, there is no way you can tell what on earth she's doing now. Only way to find out is a private investigator who'd follow her until you have proof one way or another. But if she's as cute as you say the PI might end up boinking her instead of giving proof of any fishy behaviour.
Now, if she let you leave without asking anything and if no major crises have occurred there is a chance that she is genuinely interested of you. But I understood that you are married and not even thinking of getting a divorce so what on earth are you going to do with her? If you have agreed that you'll be her sugardaddy then there is no problem.
Beach Star
05-25-10, 19:28
[QUOTE=Stinky Squid]Once again, thank you for your advice. It's awesome to have you guys. I hope that you don't feel like I am hijacking this entire thread for my personal consultation. I hope that there is some learning an general interest in this for others in here
I feel so sorry for this girl, you have done nothing for her and do not intend to do anything. The only thing you offer is suspicion of her motives. Either leave her to seek her own life or grasp the opportunity that has been presented. Go back and embrace her and take it from there!
Stinky Squid
05-25-10, 23:56
Now, if she let you leave without asking anything and if no major crises have occurred there is a chance that she is genuinely interested of you.
Yes, see, I always felt her to be genuine. To the point where I was ready to just let go and have sex with her unprotected, I trusted her so much and I was ready to even create a little fact, that would bind me to her. Now that didn't work out, I was too confuse. But I love her so much.
But I understood that you are married and not even thinking of getting a divorce so what on earth are you going to do with her? If you have agreed that you'll be her sugardaddy then there is no problem.
That's why I say I am doomed. I can't live without her and I can't live with her. And she knows the whole thing. I didn't hide anything from her. Will I be a sugardaddy? Well, I so much want to take care of her. I am ready to buy tickets for her to come to my country, I buy a house for her. She loves flowers and she would make our house so lovely because she loves things nice and pretty. Gosh if there was a way, any way, to be the one for her to make her happy, I am taking it.
I feel so sorry for this girl, you have done nothing for her and do not intend to do anything. The only thing you offer is suspicion of her motives. Either leave her to seek her own life or grasp the opportunity that has been presented. Go back and embrace her and take it from there!
Yes, I feel so bad about all this suspicion too, but hey, I am sure her mother and her talked about the possibilities with me as well. After all, I received a lot of warnings from you guys, and I appreciate it. I felt bad about the suspicion, I really love her. And I am so glad you were here to help me see through this, because I don't know who else to turn to.
I don't think I used her though. I danced with them one night, and we all had lots of fun. That was the point of her being at that club, to have fun. Now her mother was almost selling her to me, and she herself was making the advances. I happily accepted them, which is my fault. But you guys on this forum surely understand that I have accepted this. Then I told them my family situation that same night at the good byes. Of course they were disappointed. I sent an SMS same night apologizing for the disappointment and confessing that I was so overwhelmed by her being so nice, that I fell a in love. She wrote back that she too fell in love, and she wants to see me again before I leave. We met the evening after next. I took her out to dinner, listened to her story for 4 hours on end, then we went in my apartment and I listened to her another 3 hours. Can you imagine that? She was talking all the time, but really interacting with me, we laughed together about simple things and she told me her bad experiences. I could not say much but I understood a lot and just non-verbally responded. Long after midnight, we wondered what to do. I offered her to stay (thanks Google translate I could do some minimal conversation of important things that needed to be said, I would write and she would respond in talking). She asked what I wanted, and didn't let me off the hook (she wants her man to make decisions). I told her, I enjoyed her presence so much. And she stayed. I took good care of her, caressed her, held her, and she really enjoyed that. She wanted sex, I wasn't ready, but I took care of her. She first didn't want me to, but then she couldn't sleep, always wanted to look at me and touch me. I tried to convince her that I can satisfy her. She was too shy for DATY, but on my insistence went into the bathroom to scrub herself clean first (I didn't need that, but it showed me what a fine being she is, she doesn't want me to be exposed to anything that may not be nice about her, hence no way she'd let me see where she lives.) I had the feeling she totally loved being with me (in fact she kept saying it all night and morning) and I too was completely overwhelmed and in heaven for being with her. We talked a lot about why fate had met us meet by a string of completely unlikely coincidences. We felt that we were meant to be together. We exchanged eternal friendship vows at the minimum. The only thing that got us out of tears was the thought that we have a hope to look for a way to make sense of the fact that we met. We had another last night like that, same way, her talking, me listening intently we having fun together. Then cuddling caressing, taking care of her, and not able to sleep because we constantly look at each other or touch each other. We spent the morning until evening talking, laughing, hugging, and crying together. On the way to the airport, I was allowed to drop her off at this shopping place, but no closer to her home. She loves her little offspring dearly, kept raving about it. I told her to go see the offspring (I'm trying to anonymize details here) for few hours and I would visit her on way to airport. But she said no, she needed to be with me until the last minute.
You know how some people say they met their soulmate? I never had that feeling, as much as I love my wife, that anything like soulmate exists. But with her, I had. We were soulmates because we can spend hours after hours whether cuddling or just me listening to her talking and our chemistry is on warm to hot for the whole entire time, completely without any effort or pretense. I love everything she is, says, or does, and she enjoys that I appreciate all her being and doing what she does. This is what I told you, she is my paradise, I think few people in this world will ever experience such a gift of pure heavenly love. I feel like I drank from the fountain of love itself, feel like washed away by the river of love emanating from her. I'd give up a lot for her. I even consider sacrificing my peaceful life that I have. She is such an angel for me, I love her so much.
Now that even you agree that it's probably genuine on her part, I keep looking for some way even more. I risk even more. I have already completely exposed myself in trusting her. I mean she has my real cellphone, my real name, she can easily find me and she could blackmail me or whatever. I feel so one with her in heart that I took all these risks over these few days we knew each other. I trust her intentions and words. If I had been single, I would have postponed my flight and would have insisted on her introducing me to her family so that we would have married that same week.
My life has been completely turned over. Being with her is pure bliss. I adore her pure heart, simplicity and everything, and so does she. I would never risk my normal life for something so-so, but with all the fate bringing us together, and the way we seem to be 100% in tune, is so overwhelming, was ready to confess to my wife right away and let her decide. But friends (including you guys) advised to take it slow and first see how things develop.
Now I just need her to start reading and responding to my emails. Every time I write to her I tell her that her happiness is all that matters, and she should kick me out of her life so that I'm not in the way. But she keeps telling me she does not want to be with any other man but me ever in her life any more, and she would just wait for me. Her words so beautiful and simple, I'm crying just when I remember them. I really love her because she is like an angel sent to me, I can't let her go for any other reason but her wanting to move on. I feel like jumping out of my life into hers the moment I had a viable plan that reduces overall damage. If I could fake a plane accident and have just one or two jobs that I am good at and that pay so that I can take care of her, I would leave behind all that I have to my wife and kids. I would do it this very day, without thinking any more. And if it was my doom because of some unknown issue about her that turns up after 1 month of living together, I would not worry. Just 1 month of bliss with her would be twice the total joy that I ever had or will have in my life without her.
Now, I do not think that she is genuine. I just said that there is a chance that she might be.
Although your story is unveiling really slowly and every time I read your stuff I'm more and more convinced that you deserve what is coming.
From your last post I noticed that you're naive individual, who doesn't simply understand life of brasilian favela girls.
Do us a favor, let us know how much did you lose in the end.
Rock Harders
05-26-10, 01:25
Stinky Squid-
I highly recommend that you stop for a cold hard minute, step outside yourself, and look at this situation objectively. You are gushing this lame "we're in love" nonsense about a women that you cannot even verbally communicate with and whom you just met and know nothing about. I haven't been following this thread too closely, so I am just guessing that there is a huge age difference that is only surpassed by the enormous cultural differences between the two of you. You are grossly confusing a vacation infatuation with a low class Brasilian girl and projecting all your years of frustration and boredom with your life into the blinded view of perfection that you will find out this girl certainly is not once you actually get to know her.
As a very young financially successful guy in top physical shape, I meet and have lots of vacation "romances" with non-pros, semi-pros and pros in the 21-27 year old range. These girls are usually 8's or 9's, have no children, are not from the favela, and are college students and/or have regular jobs. But guess what? except for a very few isolated circumstances, these girls stay as vacation flings in Brasil, Colombia, Paraguay, or wherever I happened to meet a particular girl. Why? Just because two people can enjoy a passion and sex filled long weekend does not mean they are compatible people who can live together on a daily basis and fall in love; bringing together two people into cohabitation who don't speak the same language, are from different cultures, and have nothing in common other than that they are lonely and like to have sex is a recipe for pure disaster.
So I suggest that you walk away from this very bad idea you have yourself considering, go home to you family, and start planning another trip to Brasil or someplace else with great mongering.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
And if it was my doom because of some unknown issue about her that turns up after 1 month of living together, I would not worry. Just 1 month of bliss with her would be twice the total joy that I ever had or will have in my life without her.
My suggestion?! Go straight into the living room and tell your wife that you are leaving her for this young hot brasilian that you spent an incredible 3 days with! Tell your kids that daddy is never coming home because he met his true love!! Dont waste another second SS, make it happen right now!!!! Your soul mate is waiting for you!!!
Stinky Squid
05-26-10, 02:35
my suggestion?! go straight into the living room and tell your wife that you are leaving her for this young hot brasilian that you spent an incredible 3 days with! tell your kids that daddy is never coming home because he met his true love!! dont waste another second ss, make it happen right now!!!! your soul mate is waiting for you!!!
so that was probably kidding too, right? hmm, with emotions it's up and down. one says sorry for the girl and i should go right back and embrace her, the other says i'm nuts. in all that confusion in my head and confusion of advice, i still can't thank you enough for your help because i don't think there is any peer group who would understand and give better advice than you. i have some months to think about it. i can't just walk away. but i shall watch and see.
From what I've observed, these thugs fall under the 19 to 30 or 35y/o age bracket. The problem is not unique to Brazil, it is also very common right here in the USA. Young people, some, not all, don't have all the tools needed to survive in society. Their impulsive behaviors and lack of good judgement sets them apart. Any good time ruinned since I have been going out has been ruined by a youngster 99 out of 100 times. Fighting, shooting up a club, dissing them, looking at the wrong girl all sound like a broken record to me. So it isn't a shock that the same things are happening elsewhere.
Pitboys violence is a very recurrent matter on brasilian TV, that often say that clubs in Rio are being plagued by a re-emergence of pitboy gangs (that effectively originally surfaced in the late 90s, and alleviated during the mid 2000s).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1taZs3_UchU
That being said, you are right, no need to be excessively paranoiac. One can have great nights out in those Rio fancy clubs. I myself travel to areas (Stans, Moldova,ect) swarming with dumb flatheads who can go berserk in a heartbeat, I go out a lot, and I rarely have problems (nonetheless got last year a cornea brisure after a brawl in a Tashkent club).
Anyway those carioca battler pitboys are not a myth, but a reality, and trouble with those guys will certainly not add to your travel pleasure. In those clubs, there's a few rules to follow, the n°1 being to be extra careful not hitting the "wrong" girl and not pissing off her pitboy boyfriend (or wannabe boyfriend).
But I love her so much.....That's why I say I am doomed. I can't live without her and I can't live with her..... I am ready to buy tickets for her to come to my country, I buy a house for her. She loves flowers and she would make our house so lovely because she loves things nice and pretty..... We felt that we were meant to be together..... This is what I told you, she is my paradise, I think few people in this world will ever experience such a gift of pure heavenly love. I feel like I drank from the fountain of love itself, feel like washed away by the river of love emanating from her. I'd give up a lot for her. I even consider sacrificing my peaceful life that I have..... I would leave behind all that I have to my wife and kids. I would do it this very day, without thinking any more..... Just 1 month of bliss with her would be twice the total joy that I ever had or will have in my life without her.
Stinky, your story doesn't sound very sane. If the story is true I feel sorry for the girl and not you.
No harm meant, but I think you need to seek professional help.
Stinky Squid
05-27-10, 05:22
... and you aren't very nice to me now. Can one not be sentimental? She was sentimental and I was getting into it. This was not a romance, this was true love. I appreciate your help here, but throwing mud at me for wanting to do everything to be with her?
Anyway, it is over. I had written her a letter to request of her to leave me and move on so she can be truly happy. Of course I hoped she would not, because her and I felt the same for each other. We wanted nothing more but be with each other. Yet, the verdict was we could not. She may be a favela girl, but her pure soul is greater than any one I ever encountered. We chatted all evening over MSN, and we said our last good byes in tears.
This story leaves me forever changed. I learned for 2 days what true love can be, and how fulfilling it can be. Yet, it was not for us. A vida e injust. You can mock me as much as you want, I may not even read it. I look forward to the day when I can be happy about what I experienced. For now, I am empty and sad for losing the most completely beautiful moments that I ever have encountered and ever will encounter in my life.
Member #3439
05-27-10, 06:07
Stinky Squid-
You are grossly confusing a vacation infatuation with a low class Brasilian girl and projecting all your years of frustration and boredom with your life into the blinded view of perfection that you will find out this girl certainly is not once you actually get to know her.
So I suggest that you walk away from this very bad idea you have yourself considering, go home to you family, and start planning another trip to Brasil or someplace else with great mongering.
This is good advice Stinky Squid. I'm with RH and Sperto. You need some counseling and a plan for the next mongering trip. I am assuming that you are coming from a country that is culturally much different than Brasil, and you need to keep in mind that not everyone takes things so seriously. The freeness of garotas in Brasil is the reason that we are here reading this thread. I've found girls in Tokyo, Osaka, and Jakarta that will do the same thing, but not with the freeness of the Brasileiras. In the end, they all just want to experience something new and exotic to them..just like you are trying to do. But they know the difference between hooking up and forming a relationship, because unlike you they don't have anything that they are trying to escape from. You need to face your home problems head on before trying to start something elsewhere. This is a sex forum and not a romance forum, so hence you are getting the message that you need to focus on the sex whilst travelling, keep THAT pure, and clean up your mess at home instead of bringing a foreign girl into the mix.
As for your idea about some other monger picking her up and ruining her. If she's a lady like you say she is, she won't be lured into something serious by a monger. Just like she hasn't been drawn into something actually serious with you.
stinky squid.
i think the advice you are getting from the members is sound.
in the 38 years of traveling for work and pleasure, i have seen countless men of from different backgrounds go through the same thing your going through. i know four couples that have gone the distance. all but one of these women were introduced to their future partner through work(i. e different culture, but same peer pressure group). all the other relationships ended, in most cases badly.
a thing to remember with the latin girls, they do like a bit of drama. this could seem like deep emotional feelings for you with lasting effects, she might be just playing out a "novela" in her head.
believe me i know i've been married to one for many years. all that passion and mood swings can be fun as long as you know how to play the game.
... and you aren't very nice to me now. Can one not be sentimental? She was sentimental and I was getting into it. This was not a romance, this was true love. I appreciate your help here, but throwing mud at me for wanting to do everything to be with her?
Anyway, it is over. I had written her a letter to request of her to leave me and move on so she can be truly happy. Of course I hoped she would not, because her and I felt the same for each other. We wanted nothing more but be with each other. Yet, the verdict was we could not. She may be a favela girl, but her pure soul is greater than any one I ever encountered. We chatted all evening over MSN, and we said our last good byes in tears.
This story leaves me forever changed. I learned for 2 days what true love can be, and how fulfilling it can be. Yet, it was not for us. A vida e injust. You can mock me as much as you want, I may not even read it. I look forward to the day when I can be happy about what I experienced. For now, I am empty and sad for losing the most completely beautiful moments that I ever have encountered and ever will encounter in my life.
Sorry to disagree with most of the opinions in the forum.
It's true that you can have great sex without love. That variety in sex can be a lot of fun. A lot. But in the end love is even better.
Squid: Don't follow the opinions of others, follow your heart. You're the only one that knows what's best for yourself.
Fuck conventionalisms. Fuck class differences. Fuck cultural differences. Fuck stereotypes. If you find true love, grab it. In the end is what life is all about.
Furthermore: Don't let anyone take the decission for you. Don't let anyone tell you that you're a fool and that a life of eternal mongering is more fullfilling. Because it's not.
Believe me, nobody's better than you to know the real situation. Love is real.
Try to see the situation with a certain perspective. Because cultural differences are real. But they can be an enriching experience. Imagine yourself 20 years from now and decide if you'd better be with or without her. And think about your family.
In any case, don't you ever apologize for falling in love. It's a great experience. And so much better than leading a life of just empty sex.
Besides that, you'll always have the option of being friends. Soulmates exist (though cynics will tell you otherwise). And sometimes friendship is a great way of expressing that love. Not easy, but possible.
In any case, good luck.
Love is the greatest thing on earth. You can buy sex, but you can't buy true love.
You fell in love because unconsciously you were ready for it, and that you were not satisfied with your current situation.
Give the girl and yourself a chance. Accept that you can make a big mistake. So what ? You'll learn a lot and become a richer person.
Imagine that in many years, you will be on your deathbed. You will never be sorry because you took a chance and it did not work out. But you would be very sorry if you did not take the chance that came to you. As the lottery advertisements say "If you don't buy the lottery ticket, then you never win".
By the way : love her ... but with your eyes open. Check on her. And dump her if she cheats, and go on. Life is beautiful!
Regards. B.B.
Stinky Squid
05-27-10, 16:55
Oh Bimbo Boy and Jota Erre, you are so nice. Thank you so much for validating my experience. I am now so endlessly sad because we did say our last goodbyes last night on MSN. I can not see a way of extracting myself from my life as it is, I don't have the right to cause so much pain. And for what? So that this gem of a girl can be with an old man 13 years older than her? I just have to trust in God (we both do) that he'll take care of her with a man who she can have all for herself and who treats her well.
One moment she sent me her new phone numbers telling me to contact her any time, but then, when I came to the point of telling her I'd like to bring her over for some time to a new place I am starting, she suddenly turned very serious. She wants me completely, she can't share me. And if it's going to hurt now, we haven't seen half the hurt that it's going to hurt later - a hurt that possibly she would be stuck with. I was the one who wrote her all of that in my email before, because it's true. I want her happy.
She said that every message from me would now only heart her. She said we can't even be "grande amigos" as we planned, because, she said, she realized she can't be a friend with whom she longs for. She can't just be my friend, she wants me completely. And so do I want her, I want to be hers, it was such sweet life to be hers. But, she says, I can't. I am bound, and she does not want to break my marriage. She told me I must not do it. Now I'm just trying to get back being happy with my life without her in order to fulfill my promise to her.
Oh if I only had sufficient grief to quit my marriage. If only my wife drank or deserted me. But I have no sufficient grief to justify a break up. I would have done it. If only I could have started over, if, if.
I could not have left that dream girl, she was the only one who could take that decision, and she did because she was pure in heart. She is an angel, as a mother she could not allow that my children would be hurt in the process. MSN still lists us as friends. I have all her memorabilia stashed away. Just her messages on my cellphone aren't deleted yet, nor is her number in my phonebook. One SMS, one MSN poke and I could rekindle the fire, but unless I find a way to start a true new life where I can be hers completely, I do not dare hurt her more.
A vida e injust! I see no way but to continue where I left off, let time heal the wounds, and let the experience of her love be an example for how to live my life with and for those to whom I belong.
... A vida e injust! I see no way but to continue where I left off, let time heal the wounds, and let the experience of her love be an example for how to live my life with and for those to whom I belong.
No, life is not unjust. It is the way it is.
From what you said, it is better that you break-up, as you do not have the courage to take a decision. The only future that you can offer to the love of your life is to be a hidden mistress.
You are the kind of man who is not driven by his inner self, but by outside events. You do not deserve her.
Regards.
B.B.
No, life is not unjust. It is the way it is.
From what you said, it is better that you break-up, as you do not have the courage to take a decision. The only future that you can offer to the love of your life is to be a hidden mistress.
You are the kind of man who is not driven by his inner self, but by outside events. You do not deserve her.
Regards.
B.B.
I'm not here to judge. Squid will decide what's best for himself and the people in his life.
Just two comments:
1) Garotas de Programa have taken a decission in life. And once that they have experienced "easy money", it's very difficult for them either to leave the job or to behave ignoring the "grana".
2) On the other side: I think there's an extended opinion in this forum that "regular" girls are as money-minded as GDPs. That's not true.
Everybody in the world is obsessed with money. Just look around! But to imply that any brazilian girl that meets a "gringo" is a gold-digger, well... that's beyond fairness!
I think that those that talk in those terms probably haven't known many regular brazilian girls. I invite them to do so. And it's easy. They're the majority.
P.S.: To do that, just stay away from Copacabana!
Stinky Squid
05-28-10, 12:34
I'm not here to judge. Squid will decide what's best for himself and the people in his life.
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2) On the other side: I think there's an extended opinion in this forum that "regular" girls are as money-minded as GDPs. That's not true.
Everybody in the world is obsessed with money. Just look around! But to imply that any brazilian girl that meets a "gringo" is a gold-digger, well... that's beyond fairness!
Thanks Jota Erre, for your support, I certainly like to believe I took decisions by what I felt was right, because pretty much everyone on all sides declared me for nuts.
I believe that's one good lesson out of my story and probably many others untold here is what you said: true non-pro girls are not all just after your money. This forum is of course biased toward picking girls who would be easily bedded and possibly many of them are "semi-pros" also. You tend to end up with a spoiled one or shallow ones, so you end up in shopping sprees.
But my girl shows that you can meet very humble souls if you're lucky. One that never ever asks about anything and truly loves you. They might even be easy to bed. But, one thing I am concerned about is that they end up being exploited. I think it's not o.k. to lie to them, telling them something about love for the purpose to bed them. And it's not O.K. to be hiding that you're married or have anyway no intention to stick to her. When you're super-lucky like I you might get one who wouldn't even mind after knowing the truth, in the heat of the moment. But I suppose many would at this point be ready only because of other rewards.
I would just beg of you here not to destroy any non-pro girl's heart by taking advantage of her naivety. If it's not for compassion and the love of pure hearts, keep this rule because, as someone else said somewhere here, this may fire back at all of us.
I would just beg of you here not to destroy any non-pro girl's heart by taking advantage of her naivety.
Don't fool yourself.
Regular lower class girls in Brasil don't date sex-hungry (or, in your case, emotionally fragile) gringos because of their charm or their sparkling personality, but just because they see benefit in doing so.
Once more, any monger with half a brain and a bit of experience knows that the poorer girls are one-track mind gold-diggers. It's in their blood and called survival.
Don't fool yourself.
Regular lower class girls in Brasil don't date sex-hungry (or, in your case, emotionally fragile) gringos because of their charm or their sparkling personality, but just because they see benefit in doing so.
Once more, any monger with half a brain and a bit of experience knows that the poorer girls are one-track mind gold-diggers. It's in their blood and called survival.
Well said.
This squid is just sad character.
Don't fool yourself.
Regular lower class girls in Brasil don't date sex-hungry (or, in your case, emotionally fragile) gringos because of their charm or their sparkling personality, but just because they see benefit in doing so.
Once more, any monger with half a brain and a bit of experience knows that the poorer girls are one-track mind gold-diggers. It's in their blood and called survival.
IMHO I have found that irregardless of everything else people love money. I used to believe like most people that lower class women are more money hungry than others, but I have come to learn that this is not so. Low-class, high-class, no-class, everyone wants money. Your best mate that you have known for twenty plus years may sell you out for 1000 euro. Allot of so-called "higher class" women may be with men not for love but of what the man represents for them. The same is true for men and our friends in most cases.
That being stated, Prosal has probably seen this type of scenario a thousand times and does not want to see anyone else fall victim to the same trap.
Nevetheless when one becomes fixated on class it makes them an easy target
for others, whom one would not always assume to be a threat.
IMHO I have found that irregardless of everything else people love money. I used to believe like most people that lower class women are more money hungry than others, but I have come to learn that this is not so. Low-class, high-class, no-class, everyone wants money.
On the contrary. I find that higher-class girls (those who already have access to the best their society has to offer) often put out some of the best uncomplicated sex. They usually have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and only feel they need hot adventures and romances (usually with men of same cultural and lifestyle level) otherwise they are missing out on life.
And they most often don't expect the relationship to last forever nor to cash in on it, but just to enjoy the ride.
Don't fool yourself.
Regular lower class girls in Brasil don't date sex-hungry (or, in your case, emotionally fragile) gringos because of their charm or their sparkling personality, but just because they see benefit in doing so.
Once more, any monger with half a brain and a bit of experience knows that the poorer girls are one-track mind gold-diggers. It's in their blood and called survival.
Dear Prosal: I guess you consider yourself an emotionally-stable and full-brain gringo (as opposed to half-brain). And that Perkele is such a happy-go-lucky character (as opposed to sad). Good for you!
But that doesnt mean you can generalize in such a simplistic manner.
I know that love is not meant to be a very popular topic in a forum like this (though we all know and play the game of emotions).
But that doesn't mean that you have to be an emotionally fragile person, to fall in love.
Love is real. Real is love. Read some literature. Love between couples of different origins and social class happen since the origin of times. Is that laughable?
OMG. I guess they were all either "emotionally fragile characters" or "one-track mind gold-diggers"...............................................!
time to re-name the thread?
How about "There, but for the grace of God, go I"?
Or "Been there, done that, got the scars"?
Pardon me, SS, that I didn't go back through the thread and read your whole story. But I could see it shaping up very much like a romance I had in Paraguay a few years ago. Unfortunately, it didn't end with such heartbreakingly sweet drama, but I've cried my tears and I don't doubt "Cristina" cried hers.
If my experience is any guide, you may spend a while "going through the motions of life" and dreaming "If Only." But life lies behind and beyond "the motions of life," and you will again exult in a beautiful sunrise. So will your "namorada carioca", so you need not feel any guilt.
You had a few nights of romance, a taste of heaven under the Southern Cross. Many many "norteamericanos" never get that taste, never feel their hearts syncopate to a bossa-nova beat.
Prophylaxis: Muddle a spoonful of sugar together with half a lime (cut in quarters), in the bottom of an on-the-rocks glass. Fill glass with ice, then with cachaca (or rum if that's what you've got); stir and sip. Put on some Brazilian music and teach your wife the samba. Love the one you're with - you have loved her, for years enough to have made a home and a family with her. And if you remind her of it just right, she loves you, too.
And remember, there are a few of us world-weary mongers out here who wonder how nice a wife and children might be.
Good luck to you.
Westy
Prophylaxis: Muddle a spoonful of sugar together with half a lime (cut in quarters), in the bottom of an on-the-rocks glass. Fill glass with ice, then with cachaca (or rum if that's what you've got); stir and sip. Put on some Brazilian music and teach your wife the samba. Love the one you're with - you have loved her, for years enough to have made a home and a family with her. And if you remind her of it just right, she loves you, too.
And remember, there are a few of us world-weary mongers out here who wonder how nice a wife and children might be.
A beautiful post, Westy. Nice one. But picking up on your pleasantly lighter note, are you sure that the samba is the best one? Wouldn't a spot of forro get the marital connection going better? And (while I'm wittering on) can we be precise about this 'muddle?' There's a very nice way of 'muddling' I saw done in Bar Alexandra for half the price a lot of places charge, and they muddle the limes forcefully with a pestle until it is quite crushed and the flesh popping out. Which makes a damn site better drink than just chopped lime. Or even freshly squeezed lime juice alone. For as every chef knows, the thrill of the lime is the zest. But the substance of the fruit is something to savour, and even to pull out of your tumbler and suck on once your drink seems tired and finished.
Forro, samba, pagode, bossa nova, axé, all of it goes back to samba, Christopherd. You have to go back to choro to find something that isn't rooted in the Afro-Brazilian beat, don't you?
Bar Alexandra DOES have the muddle right, from your description. I don't; I have been known to crush the lime pieces with my thumb, but only among friends. A bartender in the USA with the proper tools broke a stemmed "on the rocks" glass when he tried to muddle the lime for a jackleg caipirinha.
(By the way, make it with RUM and it's a daiquiri.)
Saudades,
Westy
Poucolouco
05-29-10, 15:49
.. There's a very nice way of 'muddling' I saw done in Bar Alexandra for half the price a lot of places charge, and they muddle the limes forcefully with a pestle until it is quite crushed and the flesh popping out. Which makes a damn site better drink than just chopped lime. Or even freshly squeezed lime juice alone. For as every chef knows, the thrill of the lime is the zest. But the substance of the fruit is something to savour, and even to pull out of your tumbler and suck on once your drink seems tired and finished.
I believe the secret to Bar Alexandra's technique is that they totally shave the green rind from the lime. It removes any bitterness from the fruit. I started doing it at home and everyone loves my Capivodkas.
Jazzy Daddy
05-29-10, 21:56
Forro, samba, pagode, bossa nova, axé, all of it goes back to samba, Christopherd. You have to go back to choro to find something that isn't rooted in the Afro-Brazilian beat, don't you?
Saudades,
Westy
Great writing Westy and don't be bothered by remarks from guys that don't have a true grasp of the language or the dances!
Great writing Westy and don't be bothered by remarks from guys that don't have a true grasp of the language or the dances!
If you're referring to me, I don't think Westy was making any comment on my knowledge of dance - as you are prone to do. Or even twist other people's comments to do so. My remark was about the intimacy of forro and meant in a joking way. Not that I've ever noticed you able to recognise humour.
FadeToJade
05-31-10, 03:29
Westy, that was truly a poetic post. I would add only one thing: sometimes a little strange does make you appreciate your "harnessed" life. The trick is to get the strange without falling into trap number 2, or three, or four, or five, as some of my friends have done.
Westy, that was truly a poetic post. I would add only one thing: sometimes a little strange does make you appreciate your "harnessed" life. The trick is to get the strange without falling into trap number 2, or three, or four, or five, as some of my friends have done.
Você tem razão, Jade. "Getting a little strange" can be wonderful, and it can be like dancing in a minefield. Not really my problem at all, as I'm a lifelong bachelor and "all I get is strange."
A fling like Squid's is wonderful for a man's morale. For a married man, though ... well, enough said earlier. More than enough.
BTW, Christopherd, far be it from me to criticize another man's dancing, or taste in music. Except in the case of Nashville country, or gangsta rap. ;) Heck, I even like sertanejo, which is like Austin country in Portuguese with an accordion.
Stinky Squid
05-31-10, 16:20
since we're talking about samba and love and saudade, here is the ultimate one, by baden powell, with minor modification to the lyrics:
samba triste, a gente faz assim
eu aqui, você longe de mim, de mim.
alguém se vai, saudade vem e fica perto.
saudade resto de amor,
de amor que não era certo.
samba triste, que antes eu não fiz.
só porque, eu fui tão feliz com você.
agora eu sei, que toda a vez que o amor existe.
há sempre um samba triste, meu bem.
samba que vem de você, amor.
in english:
oh sad samba. this is how we do:
i am here, you far away from me, from me.
if someone goes, saudade comes and remains,
saudade, what remains of love,
of a love that was not right.
oh sad samba. how i never felt before,
just because i was so happy with you, with you.
from now on i know, that whenever there's love
there will always be this sad samba, baby;
samba that comes from you, my love.
btw, regarding the caipirinha, i think the slightly bitter oil from the lemon peel is actually essential. also, the "51" stuff that everybody uses is actually the cheapest booze you can buy in a regular store there. but i didn't bring any.
btw, regarding the caipirinha, i think the slightly bitter oil from the lemon peel is actually essential. also, the "51" stuff that everybody uses is actually the cheapest booze you can buy in a regular store there. but i didn't bring any.
wrong again.
FadeToJade
05-31-10, 18:07
Stinkysquid,
I will now contradict myself by providing an opposing viewpoint, best summed up by a quote:
sell the house
sell the car
sell the kids
find someone else
forget it
I'm never coming back
forget it
--Captain Richard Colby--he was with Kurtz.
Stinky Squid
05-31-10, 20:02
Stinkysquid,
I will now contradict myself by providing an opposing viewpoint, best summed up by a quote:
sell the house
sell the car
sell the kids
find someone else
forget it
I'm never coming back
forget it
--Captain Richard Colby--he was with Kurtz.
Oh, man, you know I am still vulnerable. We are actually still in contact over MSN. Neither of us could leave it at the last good bye... We are still friends, at the very least.
Oh, man, you know I am still vulnerable. We are actually still in contact over MSN. Neither of us could leave it at the last good bye... We are still friends, at the very least.
The girl is probably spending the little money she has in a Lan House, trying to keep alive a hopeless relationship. You would be kinder to her by cutting altogether all communication.
Stop being such a whiner. Take a decision! Leave everything and go with her. Or forget her and take care of your family in the States!
Stinky Squid
06-01-10, 02:49
The girl is probably spending the little money she has in a Lan House, trying to keep alive a hopeless relationship. You would be kinder to her by cutting altogether all communication.
Stop being such a whiner. Take a decision! Leave everything and go with her. Or forget her and take care of your family in the States!
I am not a whiner. I like being emotional and exploring the meaning of "saudade" is a unique experience after all. But I also know responsibility, and it's part of me. I want to be able to look at myself in the mirror tomorrow. There is a lot of things connected to me that I would have to throw away. I don't care for wealth, I'd give it all, but there is several people's lives connected to me, I love them too. I don't want to hurt them and neither does my girl want them to get hurt. And we've had plans together. After all, what I have found here may just be a romance, a fling. She may just have jumped into me for a rescue from her issues. I don't know what your situation is, but it ain't so easy.
And it isn't necessary to rush a decision. In fact, why can't we find out how we can communicate at a distance? And by the way, she is not in a LAN house and does not live in a favela. I know a bit more of her now. She knows exactly what's going on with me, and I am telling her every time that I want nothing more than her to be happy with or without me. We're understanding our experience as wonderfully enriching, but not pinning her down to me. We both feel there is something special going on between us, but we need time. She needs time and I do. I want her to get a chance to have a normal life after her troubles and see what happens once she meets other men. If she tells me one day she met her match (may be a younger more interesting person to her), I'll be sending flowers to her wedding if not go there personally to congratulate. I have no possessive feelings toward her other than a longing to be the one for her. But I have not figured out how I could without violating the values that we both believe in.
Sui Generis
06-01-10, 03:44
Is this discussion really helpful on this board? It leads nowhere and doesn't bring new knowledge for circonspect hobbyists.
Saco cheio!!!!!!!!!!!
Member #3439
06-01-10, 04:26
If I may digress the thread from SS's suadades back to the thread topic of limitless NSA sex...has anyone managed to pull a decent freebie from Feira Nordenista?
I hear that the garotas there aren't that good looking but are super easy. If I can pull one of these to occupy me for free on a Sunday afternoon in my nice clean Ibis Centro room, then go get dirty in VM at night, it would be nice. Any tips on times, specific places, or strategies for Feira Nordenista?
If I may digress the thread from SS's suadades back to the thread topic of limitless NSA sex...has anyone managed to pull a decent freebie from Feira Nordenista?
I hear that the garotas there aren't that good looking but are super easy. If I can pull one of these to occupy me for free on a Sunday afternoon in my nice clean Ibis Centro room, then go get dirty in VM at night, it would be nice. Any tips on times, specific places, or strategies for Feira Nordenista?
haha, my current girlfriend has been proposing to take me to the Feira Nordestina for a long time. She even told me about the W*horehouses there. She told me that the girls are so ugly there, that she is willing to let me go to the W*horehouses as she knows that I would not want to touch anything!
I guess it could be a good hunting ground for freebies as many people come there from far away suburbs.
Is this discussion really helpful on this board? It leads nowhere and doesn't bring new knowledge for circonspect hobbyists.
Saco cheio!!!!!!!!!!!
Sui Generis.
This thread is about dealing with non-pro garotas within the Brazil forum. I think that the discussion with Stinky Squid fits perfectly in the topic.
If you are looking only for pros, then there are the other Brazil forums.
Sui Generis
06-01-10, 12:06
Sui Generis.
This thread is about dealing with non-pro garotas within the Brazil forum. I think that the discussion with Stinky Squid fits perfectly in the topic.
If you are looking only for pros, then there are the other Brazil forums.
Bimbo Boy
With all respect, I think that's there's a big difference between talking about non-pro garotas and EMOTIONAL DEPENDENCY. What Stinky Squid is doing here on this thread is not helpful to him because each time he complains about his allegedly saudade about that garota he's not healing himself.
Thanks Jota Erre, for your support, I certainly like to believe I took decisions by what I felt was right, because pretty much everyone on all sides declared me for nuts.
I believe that's one good lesson out of my story and probably many others untold here is what you said: true non-pro girls are not all just after your money. This forum is of course biased toward picking girls who would be easily bedded and possibly many of them are "semi-pros" also. You tend to end up with a spoiled one or shallow ones, so you end up in shopping sprees.
But my girl shows that you can meet very humble souls if you're lucky. One that never ever asks about anything and truly loves you. They might even be easy to bed. But, one thing I am concerned about is that they end up being exploited. I think it's not o.k. to lie to them, telling them something about love for the purpose to bed them. And it's not O.K. to be hiding that you're married or have anyway no intention to stick to her. When you're super-lucky like I you might get one who wouldn't even mind after knowing the truth, in the heat of the moment. But I suppose many would at this point be ready only because of other rewards.
I would just beg of you here not to destroy any non-pro girl's heart by taking advantage of her naivety. If it's not for compassion and the love of pure hearts, keep this rule because, as someone else said somewhere here, this may fire back at all of us.Dude, think about it. You are so concerned about not lying to some chick in Brazil you barely know. But you lie to your wife? Get a grip dude and man up.
Bimbo Boy
With all respect, I think that's there's a big difference between talking about non-pro garotas and EMOTIONAL DEPENDENCY. What Stinky Squid is doing here on this thread is not helpful to him because each time he complains about his allegedly saudade about that garota he's not healing himself.
Dear Sui Generis,
Point well taken. I agree with you. Saco cheio !
Regards. B.B.
Let me share with you a great trick for picking up non pros : hairdressing saloons! Make a reservation for having your fingernails done at the end of the day, close to a week-end. You'll be like a king in a packed room full of females looking at you like an extraterrestrial. With a little Portuguese, some jokes and good humor you can have a great time. If you are lucky, you can pick up a cutie's phone number for further relationship.
Sui Generis
06-01-10, 22:49
Let me share with you a great trick for picking up non pros : hairdressing saloons! Make a reservation for having your fingernails done at the end of the day, close to a week-end. You'll be like a king in a packed room full of females looking at you like an extraterrestrial. With a little Portuguese, some jokes and good humor you can have a great time. If you are lucky, you can pick up a cutie's phone number for further relationship.
BB,
I like yout suggestion but I am a little bit worried by something. Did you try it yourself? Did it work?
I've met non-pros almost everywhere (my favorite spots are sebos) but I've never thought of crusing (paquerar) in a beauty salon. Is it possible that the 'females looking at you like an extraterrestrial' behave in such way because they think that the guy doing this is a veado? According to my knowledge of the Brazilian psyche (which is a machist society) this can cause you trouble. But maybe I'm mistaken or an old school dude not anymore in synchronicity with his epoch.
A place which is also good is a shopping center (many time I've dated women working in a shopping center). And what is good with that it's whern you're going out with them you go somewhere than in a shopping center!!! Lol
Exec Talent
06-01-10, 22:55
Let me share with you a great trick for picking up non pros : hairdressing saloons! Make a reservation for having your fingernails done at the end of the day, close to a week-end. You'll be like a king in a packed room full of females looking at you like an extraterrestrial. With a little Portuguese, some jokes and good humor you can have a great time. If you are lucky, you can pick up a cutie's phone number for further relationship.
Hair Salons. Pretty soon there will be nothing sacred and guys will be taking forro lessons so they can pick up all the hot babes at the Feira de São Cristóvão.
As for hair (nail) salons try Werner at 369 Barata Ribeiro between Siqueira Campos and Hilário de Gouveia. Ask for Jill.
http://www.wernercoiffeur.com.br/
As Bimbo Boy mentioned, and I have heard, you can meet some hotties.
Mr Enternational
06-02-10, 01:54
BB,
I like yout suggestion but I am a little bit worried by something. Did you try it yourself? Did it work?
I've met non-pros almost everywhere (my favorite spots are sebos) but I've never thought of crusing (paquerar) in a beauty salon. Is it possible that the 'females looking at you like an extraterrestrial' behave in such way because they think that the guy doing this is a veado? I'm with you on that. I have a lot of time in carioca salons. My ex girlfriend owns one on Barata Ribeiro. I am usually in them to get my nails done and next to never have I seen a brasileiro in them for services. Unlike in Colombia where the men (straight) can easily outnumber the women. One aspect besides the women thinking we are gay if we are there for services; most women (speaking of the workers only) that I have seen in Brazilian salons are married or have someone.
Getting your nails done. How sweeeet.
I get my nails cut, buffed and cleaned at least once a week. Trust me, females notice and they love a man with nice finger nails!! Plus, the salon is always full of women, very easy to flirt and get a number.
Sui Generis
06-02-10, 12:03
I found on the Web an article reporting the experience of a man in a beauty salon in Rio de Janeiro.
http://www.rio-de-janeiro.info/manicure-and-pedicure-in-rio-de-janeiro.htm
I think that this issue boild down to the metrosexual habit of (some) younger generation of men. As I am an old man now, I still prefer my old Italian cabaleireiro in Mooca - like the Tranqüilo Zampinetti character in Antônio de Alcantâra Machado's novel Brás, Bexiga e Barra Funda - where I can drink grappa and talk about the latest Palmeiras victory or defeat. But I have nothing against those who feel comfortable doing this.
There's another place where it's easy to meet non-pro garotas: I've dated several times woman working in travel agencies or tourist information centers in Sampa. I also dated once a girl working in a Continental Airline office near the Iguatemi shopping center.
Exec Talent
06-02-10, 13:57
I found on the Web an article reporting the experience of a man in a beauty salon in Rio de Janeiro.
http://www.rio-de-janeiro.info/manicure-and-pedicure-in-rio-de-janeiro.htm
I think that this issue boild down to the metrosexual habit of (some) younger generation of men. As I am an old man now, I still prefer my old Italian cabaleireiro in Mooca - like the Tranqüilo Zampinetti character in Antônio de Alcantâra Machado's novel Brás, Bexiga e Barra Funda - where I can drink grappa and talk about the latest Palmeiras victory or defeat. But I have nothing against those who feel comfortable doing this.
There's another place where it's easy to meet non-pro garotas: I've dated several times woman working in travel agencies or tourist information centers in Sampa. I also dated once a girl working in a Continental Airline office near the Iguatemi shopping center.
Be careful of the R$8 places. The last thing you want are infected nails.
I get my nails cut, buffed and cleaned at least once a week. Trust me, females notice and they love a man with nice finger nails!! Plus, the salon is always full of women, very easy to flirt and get a number.
I love to visit the salon in Sao Paulo too!!
I get the works ... the haircut, nails, etc.
The guys that work there know me and what I like and they even introduce me to some of the ladys visitng the salon.
Some of the girls working at the salon are sexy and friendly as well and I enjoy flirting with them too.
... One aspect besides the women thinking we are gay if we are there for services; most women (speaking of the workers only) that I have seen in Brazilian salons are married or have someone.
One wink and smile and "Oi tudo bem" and they know you're not gay :)
Never had a problem with that.
I love to visit the salon in Sao Paulo too!
I get the works. The haircut, nails, etc.
The guys that work there know me and what I like and they even introduce me to some of the ladys visitng the salon.
Some of the girls working at the salon are sexy and friendly as well and I enjoy flirting with them too.
One wink and smile and "Oi tudo bem" and they know you're not gay.
Never had a problem with that.Can we official change the name of this forum to "Non-Pro GUYrotas"? Seriously, between SS going all a-twitter and menstrating on and on all about his true favela love and all this salon talk, I think I am on the wrong site.
Can we official change the name of this forum to "Non-Pro GUYrotas"? Seriously, between SS going all a-twitter and menstrating on and on all about his true favela love and all this salon talk, I think I am on the wrong site.Yet another experience that some guys are not able to afford in their homeland(s). Why not indulge?
Personal preference here is for salon where Brazilian guys do it their way: male clients are attended upstairs in clubroom ambiance with Playboy or equivalent mags at hand, cigar smoke, drinks poured, slightly reminscent of an Asiatic sauna. While women serviced in the salon in the ground floor.
Can we official change the name of this forum to "Non-Pro GUYrotas"? Seriously, between SS going all a-twitter and menstrating on and on all about his true favela love and all this salon talk, I think I am on the wrong site.
Hear, hear.
Can we official change the name of this forum to "Non-Pro GUYrotas"? Seriously, between SS going all a-twitter and menstrating on and on all about his true favela love and all this salon talk, I think I am on the wrong site.
Relax dude, it's just chit chat talk about non-pros, no big deal.
Even the SS drama and advice posted for him from various posters can be helpful to guys that find themselves in similar situations.
The name of the thread does include "opinions and advice", and inexperienced guys can certainly gain insight by reading through the posts.
Not everyone lives in Brazil and sees and lives this stuff on a daily basis.
If you don't like the posts, simply skip them, ignore them or add some of your own valuable wisdom.
Peace ... :)
Relax dude, it's just chit chat talk about non-pros, no big deal.
Even the SS drama and advice posted for him from various posters can be helpful to guys that find themselves in similar situations.
The name of the thread does include "opinions and advice", and inexperienced guys can certainly gain insight by reading through the posts.
Not everyone lives in Brazil and sees and lives this stuff on a daily basis.
If you don't like the posts, simply skip them, ignore them or add some of your own valuable wisdom.
Peace.I thought of a catchy phrase and went with it. I really don't have anything against some manscaping and actually think salons can be a great place to meet a lady or three.
But, seriously, that SS guy does need to grow a pair. Admit it. One post and then some advice was enough. But the goddam novela he was writing here. Blubbering on and on. There wasn't helpful advice for anyone in that. He got the advice early on from someone. He needs to make a decision on what he wants and go forward. He is so concerned with hurting his "girl" in Brazil, but yet he is lying to his wife. He can decide to get rid of the wife, and be free to follow his "heart" or not and live with it. I have the solution for him: If he wants to be certain his girl is his soulmate, I will be in Rio next week, give me her number, I'll look her up and report back.
I'm with you on that. I have a lot of time in carioca salons. My ex girlfriend owns one on Barata Ribeiro. I am usually in them to get my nails done and next to never have I seen a brasileiro in them for services. Unlike in Colombia where the men (straight) can easily outnumber the women. One aspect besides the women thinking we are gay if we are there for services; most women (speaking of the workers only) that I have seen in Brazilian salons are married or have someone.
Hey, the women are very good at spotting gays immediately. In my case, they like it because I am European and they see me as sophisticated.
Picking up girls there is like shooting fish in a barrel. Believe me, I have been approached by many married women.
A very good opening line is "I am considering buying property in the area, could you recommend me a good real estate agent?". Try it, you will not believe the result!
Just one caveat : everything you do with the lady could be discussed publicly in the saloon the next day ! What you did with her, even your sexual performances !
I was once told by my manucurer that the girl I dated had told everyone : "Ele beija bem" (He kisses well).
Enjoy !
On the contrary. I find that higher-class girls (those who already have access to the best their society has to offer) often put out some of the best uncomplicated sex. They usually have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and only feel they need hot adventures and romances (usually with men of same cultural and lifestyle level) otherwise they are missing out on life.
And they most often don't expect the relationship to last forever nor to cash in on it, but just to enjoy the ride.
Bills are paid, her life is good. She just needs someone (or several someone's) to keep the pipes cleaned. Beautiful thing, the female mind. When survival/social needs are satisfied, they can't help but think about pleasure in its many wonderous forms. Nothing quite like a beautiful, intelligent woman who wants to use you for sex because hubby/daddy/sugar daddy has already taken care of the basics. Your job is to make her scream...
Exec Talent
06-03-10, 14:45
Just one caveat : everything you do with the lady could be discussed publicly in the saloon the next day ! What you did with her, even your sexual performances !
I was once told by my manucurer that the girl I dated had told everyone : "Ele beija bem" (He kisses well).
Enjoy !
For those who do decide to venture out into the world of non-pros be prepared for just what Bimbo Boy wrote above. The women will discuss you and your performance -- in detail. This can result in some interesting situations, like being asked if you would like to participate in a threesome. Be prepared. In my experience it is a "normal" thing.
For those who do decide to venture out into the world of non-pros be prepared for just what Bimbo Boy wrote above. The women will discuss you and your performance -- in detail. This can result in some interesting situations, like being asked if you would like to participate in a threesome. Be prepared. In my experience it is a "normal" thing.I kid you not! My Brazilian wife of many many years (I'm mid fifties, she late forties). Said over breakfast one morning that a friend of her's was interested in a threesome. As you can imagine I started choking on my cereal. My sweet little wife has always had the ability to surprise me. I most definitely didn't see that one coming.
I kid you not! My Brazilian wife of many many years (I'm mid fifties, she late forties). Said over breakfast one morning that a friend of her's was interested in a threesome. As you can imagine I started choking on my cereal. My sweet little wife has always had the ability to surprise me. I most definitely didn't see that one coming.
I hope you had fun with the two of them.
I've only had one such "Tricycle ride," and that was in Paraguay with a girl I'd been with before and her ... I'd have to say ... protegé. Only trouble was that they neither of them had much in the way of staying power.
There is a real charm in "having loved not wisely, but two, well."
I hope you had fun with the two of them.
I've only had one such "Tricycle ride," and that was in Paraguay with a girl I'd been with before and her ... I'd have to say ... protegé. Only trouble was that they neither of them had much in the way of staying power.
There is a real charm in "having loved not wisely, but two, well."
I did a threesome once in Poland.
The girls demanded that I switch condoms everytime I switched vaginas.
Such a drag. Fuck one girl. Take condom off. Put new condom on. Fuck other girl.
I guess it might be enjoyable if the two girls know each other well so that you do not need to switch condoms. Or if one does it bareback with two girlfriends.
Regards.
B.B.
I hope you had fun with the two of them.
I've only had one such "Tricycle ride, " and that was in Paraguay with a girl I'd been with before and her. I'd have to say. Protegé. Only trouble was that they neither of them had much in the way of staying power.
There is a real charm in "having loved not wisely, but two, well. "Westy
This is probably not the best forum for this discussion.
For us older guys who have been with the same woman for many years. After ten or more years (or possibly less) that initial passion changes. It's more about having your best friend with you. My wife knows that all my business trips are probably not only for work. As long as you play safe and are discreet. There is something about Latin/Caribi women that prefer a bit of a rascal.
As you get on a little in life the old six pack is a bit harder to maintain.
Walking down the beach you tend to suck it up a bit when walking by some of the local beach babes. The wife comes up beside me gives me a hug and says "breathe baby breathe".
On a more serious note: The dangers of mongering is changing. The next supper bugs are your common doses of the clap. These little buggers are antibiotic resistant and transfer efficiently orally. Have had a few of the guys at work that frequent the Rio termas that swear they used condoms for intercourse, but not for oral. They have contracted gonorrhea that has been very very difficult to treat (months).
I have now stopped visiting the pro ladies (got infected myself). My business trips were usually more than 8 weeks. I only played the pro venues for the first week (using condoms) and had a full sexual health check before returning to the real world.
The girls at the termas get checked every two weeks. I don't think that the in house nurse does throat swab cultures. We all know that the termas girls have probably had unprotected oral sex with as many as 50 men in that two weeks.
Sorry for the lecture guys. Please get checked before having sex with friends.
I like being emotional and exploring the meaning of "saudade" is a unique experience after all.
Pra se entender
Tem que se achar
Que a vida não é só isso que se vê
É um pouco mais
and, please, watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGjn6xhKdN8
To understand it
you've got to realize
that life is not just what you see
it's a little bit more
P.S.: Thanks, Carioca.
Sui Generis
06-07-10, 15:15
This one can also help to relieve your pain
Não tenho lágrimas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLgtDYEit0c&feature=related
This one can also help to relieve your pain
Não tenho lágrimas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLgtDYEit0c&feature=related
Another beautiful song by Anísio Silva. A great composer from Bahia (like most great musicians: Joao Gilberto, Caymmi, Caetano, Tom Zé...).
He was famous in his own time: Sold more than ten million records. As a matter of fact he was the first singer in Brasil to obtain a Gold Record (2 million copies of "Alguem me Disse").
And that's a beautiful interpretation by Ivete Sangalo (another "bahianinha") and Juan Luis Guerra (that happens to be from the Dominican Republic).
If Stinky doesn't find relief with these two great songs... then nothing can help!
Stinky Squid
06-09-10, 01:34
If Stinky doesn't find relief with these two great songs... then nothing can help!
Thanks guys for your compassion! I admit though that these two songs didn't do much for me. May be this is because of my inferior Porto. Our long-distance relationship had flared up beautifully again for a little over a week, she even made me compose poems in Portuguese (by starting with it herself). I am still searching for a way -- it is that special, even because she just tried to let me go for the second time out of respect. I know Perkele does not believe it, and even if out of admittedly favela-like living conditions: a more pure soul has never been found in a girl this pretty and fiery-hot. I am truly blessed to have come close to her. It might have cured me from ever straying again, let's see.
Thanks guys for your compassion! I admit though that these two songs didn't do much for me. May be this is because of my inferior Porto. Our long-distance relationship had flared up beautifully again for a little over a week, she even made me compose poems in Portuguese (by starting with it herself). I am still searching for a way -- it is that special, even because she just tried to let me go for the second time out of respect. I know Perkele does not believe it, and even if out of admittedly favela-like living conditions: a more pure soul has never been found in a girl this pretty and fiery-hot. I am truly blessed to have come close to her. It might have cured me from ever straying again, let's see.http://www.billboard.com/song/tinsley-ellis/grow-a-pair/14131900#/song/tinsley-ellis/grow-a-pair/14131900
I am not even sure what you are talking about anymore. What do you mean "straying", weren't you mongering in Rio? Searching for a way to do what? Others here laid it out plain and simple for you: make a choice and do it. Or grow a pair. What do you want from us here? I already offered to "check up" on your lady when I am in Rio later this week. I can probably meet her at Nuth, together with her "Mom". I think you are on the wrong website: I think you meant to go to MyManginaIsBleeding dot com.
Now, speaking of websites: check out SarahJessicaParkerLooksLikeAHorse.com. Too f'ing funny and so true.
It was nice to "pop in and participate" on the forums again. But things are getting real hectic for me so I am off again. I do leave you with these random thoughts:
It seems like there are a lot of guys here that are in relationships. My advice is to discuss your true feelings with your wife, partner, etc. You may be surprised where it leads you. The reality is you would not be mongering if she rocked your world, or at least, you would be including her in your play. You are putting her health at risk too. Think of that. Be honest, it is liberating. I did not start mongering until I was out of my previous relationship. I now occassionally monger with the full knowledge of my lady here in Brazil and she brings her friends into our relationship, and mongers with me at times. It is amazingly fulfilling because I told her about my desires and she supports them and we have a full relationship. Man up, be honest and either you are free to pursue the life you want solo or together.
Be careful about the self medicating thing. Many guys here talk about medicines to take. This can lead to STDs that are really resistant to medicines and other issues. Unless you are a doctor, do not try to treat yourself. I read the one post from the guy that was medicating himself and his wife (unbeknowst to her) and I cringed. Playing with your own health is one thing, playing with someone else's is another. It is criminal.
For the new guys here, there is tremendous info here from senior guys like Sperto, Exec Talent, ChristopherD, Bubba and others. Don't be lazy slobs, research here, read, learn some Porto and explore. Not everything discussed is your cup of tea. For example, Sperto can tolerate (and loves) Vila Mimosa and some of the "dirtier" options. I have a low tolerance for such un-cleanliness. BelPrazer is about as low as I can go - but damn that guy is a walking encyclopedia of everything Brazil. And he gives the info so freely. I feel like I have not returned the favor enough to him but there is no way to do so.
To the loud mouthed alpha-male gringos, you guys are giving the good old USA a bad name. The garotas don't dig it either - trust me. Just because you are paying them for sex, doesn't mean they aren't ladies. Kindness and courtesy has paid big dividends for me.
Be open minded and go with the moment. Don't obsess with the perfect garota, chasing after someone you met on the internet, etc. There are great opportunities everywhere and you need to open to see them. You might miss a great experience if you are so focused on something else.
Be happy, be honest, be nice to the ladies, and be open to everything amazing that Brazil has to offer.
Peace
It seems like there are a lot of guys here that are in relationships. My advice is to discuss your true feelings with your wife, partner, etc. You may be surprised where it leads you. The reality is you would not be mongering if she rocked your world, or at least, you would be including her in your play. You are putting her health at risk too. Think of that. Be honest, it is liberating. I did not start mongering until I was out of my previous relationship. I now occasionally monger with the full knowledge of my lady here in Brazil and she brings her friends into our relationship, and mongers with me at times. It is amazingly fulfilling because I told her about my desires and she supports them and we have a full relationship. Man up, be honest and either you are free to pursue the life you want solo or together.
Be careful about the self medicating thing. Many guys here talk about medicines to take. This can lead to STDs that are really resistant to medicines and other issues. Unless you are a doctor, do not try to treat yourself. I read the one post from the guy that was medicating himself and his wife (unbeknowst to her) and I cringed. Playing with your own health is one thing, playing with someone else's is another. It is criminal.
For the new guys here, there is tremendous info here from senior guys like Sperto, Exec Talent, ChristopherD, Bubba and others. Don't be lazy slobs, research here, read, learn some Porto and explore. Not everything discussed is your cup of tea. For example, Sperto can tolerate (and loves) Vila Mimosa and some of the "dirtier" options. I have a low tolerance for such un-cleanliness. BelPrazer is about as low as I can go - but damn that guy is a walking encyclopedia of everything Brazil. And he gives the info so freely. I feel like I have not returned the favor enough to him but there is no way to do so.
To the loud mouthed alpha-male gringos, you guys are giving the good old USA a bad name. The garotas don't dig it either - trust me. Just because you are paying them for sex, doesn't mean they aren't ladies. Kindness and courtesy has paid big dividends for me.
Be open minded and go with the moment. Don't obsess with the perfect garota, chasing after someone you met on the internet, etc. There are great opportunities everywhere and you need to open to see them. You might miss a great experience if you are so focused on something else.
Be happy, be honest, be nice to the ladies, and be open to everything amazing that Brazil has to offer.
PeaceExcellent advice.
I have always waited at least 8 weeks after my last mongering trip and had a full sexual health check before having sex with friends. Condoms are not a 100 percent protection. It is criminal to expose unsuspecting friends to this risk. I contracted an antibiotic resistant strain of Gonorrhea last year (used condoms for intercourse not oral), took weeks to clear. Very scary. These resistant strains are on the increase. This is a direct result of the global abuse of antibiotics. I have now stopped indulging in commercial sex because of this.
On the subject of men behaving badly. Yes the loud mouth bad mannered alpha males that you see at the various sex for sale venues, do spoil the ambiance for the gentlemen who do not need to dehumanize the girls to get in the mood. I will say that I have found that the majority that fall in this category have been Brazilians (It must be said, no country has the monopoly on this). Have walked out on many occasion if the loud mouth asshole factor at a particular venue has been too high.
Mr Enternational
06-22-10, 17:04
When I first arrived in Rio yesterday I called a chick who I had met online a while back but kept forgetting to call the last several times I was here. I wanted to get the meeting out of the way this time. I called her at 12:30 and she said she would be at the apartment at 2pm. That gave me an hour and a half to get to centro and back. When I got to the metro I bought a prepaid card with R$10 on it. It can be recharged any time.
After I finished my session at 13 it was already 2pm. I called her to see if she had arrived. Just my luck. She was downtown as well waiting on the bus. I told her that I was downtown too and we could just meet at the McDonald's across from Uruguiana Market. 5 minutes later I saw her. She was stunning. A definite 8. She could have been prettier and I didn't like the tattoo on her hand. She probably got it when she was a teen.
We headed back to Copa on the train. When we arrived at Siqueira Campos I took her to a kilo spot that I like on Barata Ribeiro. After that we went to the apartment and decided to watch a movie, Sonhos Roubados, that I had bought at Uruguiana. It is about three high school girls in Rio who decide to become prostitutes. It was a good movie. Although it's in Portuguese I think the guy I bought it from said it had English subtitles.
While we were on the bed watching the movie she looked at her cell. I caught a glimpse. There was a message from a guy named Rodrigo saying "we need to talk immediately." We started kissing and I went for the tits. They were delicious. Suddenly she had to go to the bathroom. She left the phone on the other bed though. When she came back she said that she had to get going. Hell no! See that is why I made sure to get one in downtown before I met up with her.
She came back to the bed and I started to get her fired up again. She checked the cell phone once more. This time I did not see it. She repeated how she had to get going. I asked where did she have to go in such a hurry. She said to look for a job. I told her that that sounded very strange. It was damn near 5 o'clock. Where in the hell is she going to look for a job at this hour. I guess she thought I was as stupid as she looked. I finally stopped going back and forth and just let her leave. About 5 minutes later I sent her a text that read "muito estranho." I haven't heard back from her and really don't want to.
Beach Star
06-22-10, 17:56
When I first arrived in Rio yesterday I called a chick who I had met online a while back but kept forgetting to call the last several times I was here. I wanted to get the meeting out of the way this time. I called her at 12:30 and she said she would be at the apartment at 2pm. That gave me an hour and a half to get to centro and back. When I got to the metro I bought a prepaid card with R$10 on it. It can be recharged any time.
After I finished my session at 13 it was already 2pm. I called her to see if she had arrived. Just my luck. She was downtown as well waiting on the bus. I told her that I was downtown too and we could just meet at the McDonald's across from Uruguiana Market. 5 minutes later I saw her. She was stunning. A definite 8. She could have been prettier and I didn't like the tattoo on her hand. She probably got it when she was a teen.
We headed back to Copa on the train. When we arrived at Siqueira Campos I took her to a kilo spot that I like on Barata Ribeiro. After that we went to the apartment and decided to watch a movie, Sonhos Roubados, that I had bought at Uruguiana. It is about three high school girls in Rio who decide to become prostitutes. It was a good movie. Although it's in Portuguese I think the guy I bought it from said it had English subtitles.
While we were on the bed watching the movie she looked at her cell. I caught a glimpse. There was a message from a guy named Rodrigo saying "we need to talk immediately." We started kissing and I went for the tits. They were delicious. Suddenly she had to go to the bathroom. She left the phone on the other bed though. When she came back she said that she had to get going. Hell no! See that is why I made sure to get one in downtown before I met up with her.
She came back to the bed and I started to get her fired up again. She checked the cell phone once more. This time I did not see it. She repeated how she had to get going. I asked where did she have to go in such a hurry. She said to look for a job. I told her that that sounded very strange. It was damn near 5 o'clock. Where in the hell is she going to look for a job at this hour. I guess she thought I was as stupid as she looked. I finally stopped going back and forth and just let her leave. About 5 minutes later I sent her a text that read "muito estranho." I haven't heard back from her and really don't want to.
Man, you have to laugh !!!! You must have made a great impression on her, you met her at macdonalds, took her to Copa by metro. took her to dine at a 'kilo' restaurant in the backstreets of Copa, then took her back to watch a pirated $5 movie, which is not very good anyway, in your 'luxury' apartment.
Man, you must have thought it was so strange that she left, and you must be so surprised she did not reply to your text.
An '8'you said? WOW!!
Good luck in future wi'th 'non-pros'
After that we went to the apartment and decided to watch a movie, Sonhos Roubados, that I had bought at Uruguiana.
Thank you for mentioning Sonhos Roubados.
I just downloaded the movie and watched it.
Good movie.
Cheers
Mr Enternational
06-22-10, 21:35
Man, you have to laugh !!!! You must have made a great impression on her, you met her at macdonalds, took her to Copa by metro. took her to dine at a 'kilo' restaurant in the backstreets of Copa, then took her back to watch a pirated $5 movie, which is not very good anyway, in your 'luxury' apartment.
Man, you must have thought it was so strange that she left, and you must be so surprised she did not reply to your text.
An '8'you said? WOW!!
Good luck in future wi'th 'non-pros'This is Brazil. Not some snobby place such as Los Angeles, Miami, Nice, or Milan. She is an average, everyday Brazilian woman. That is why I do not deal with AWs. They are too picky and always want to decide what you should do together with YOUR money. FYI:
1. She is the one who told me to come meet her in front of McDonald's. Much easier than her trying to find me in the aisles of Uruguiana Market.
2. She wanted to take the bus to Copa. I told her it would be better to take the Metro. While she was about to buy tickets with her own money I told her that I had credit on my Metro card for us both.
3. She didn't give a damn what we ate. She really didn't want to eat in the first place, so I took her to one of my favorite places. Her portion only cost R$5 and she didn't want a beverage, while mine was R$12.
4. It was her who asked me to bring her to the apartment.
5. It was her who wanted to see the movie. I probably wouldn't have watched it for another few months as happens with all the movies I buy.
And besides, with her being without a job (don't know if she is without money or not) what say does she really get? I'm the boss of my money. Not some random chick. The joy of not being with AWs or EWs is that one can relax and not have to worry about impressing anyone. You can leave all of the ballin, champagne, sportscar, SUV shit at home. Most people around these parts take the bus, drink plain beer, and live simple.
Stinky Squid
06-27-10, 15:14
This is Brazil. Not some snobby place ... The joy of not being with AWs or EWs is that one can relax and not have to worry about impressing anyone. You can leave all of the ballin, champagne, sportscar, SUV shit at home. Most people around these parts take the bus, drink plain beer, and live simple.
Yes, that was my experience too. I am still so blown away how easy it was to get accepted by my girl. How I had to do nothing special whatsoever to impress, just being me: and that meant just cuddling, caressing, carrying her on my arms, those were the things that really impressed her most! Not some luxury stuff that I don't even care for myself. When the core of the connection is what we both love doing more than anything else, isn't this the ultimate recipe for happiness?
But I wonder: what's the catch? How real is this? Example: men who go to the Philippines have had similar experiences, but I have heard many times that if you commit to a Philippine woman (as in marriage), you end up with her whole family and they start sucking the money out of you, your wife gets difficult, and heaven turns into hell.
So, in Brazil, it being easy to start, is it real? As we have seen with Mr. Enternational's girl, it was not real (and that was probably OK with him as "strange" as it seemed -- pretty clear actually what was going on.) But, what I would really like to know is from those who married a Brazilian woman. How did it turn out? Was the easy connection and acceptance real? What have people learned from others they met?
I am asking this (don't want to bore you with my story) because I'm still working on my future with my girl. The paradise I think I have seen has so completely turned over my inner world, all that I thought life could be and what is important. I found the definition of happiness: a gorgeous girl, overflowing with libido, who desires me as I desire her, who initiates cuddling and love eagerly, who loves the caresses I love to give, where the words "too much" do not exist, where nothing else is more important (only her child is equally important). I am moving to drastic steps. But, as I am mulling over my options, motives and consequences, it all comes down to this one thing: the promise I see in her, just this one bet: wager everything on the hope that what started so easy and wonderful is actually real for the long run. What are the odds?
If considerations of long-term commitments do not belong into this forum, I'd appreciate hearing by PM, perhaps a pointer to a forum that discusses experiences in long-term relationships between American/European men with Brazilian women.
So, in Brazil, it being easy to start, is it real? But, what I would really like to know is from those who married a Brazilian woman. How did it turn out? Was the easy connection and acceptance real? What have people learned from others they met?The reality is that there is no set answer. Different women have different needs and reasons they act the way they do. I am not married to a Brazilian but been in a relationship with one for over 6 or 7 months now. She makes no demands, does not have a f'd up needy family, and is fairly independent.
No one here can give you an answer to your questions and tell you what to do. If you question her motives and intentions then you probably have good reason to. Do you know what she is doing while you are away? Want to find out? Or perhaps it is your guilt that you are f'ing over your current wife and family. Why not come clean with her first? She obviosuly doesn't make you happy. You may be free to pursue your blissful existence. Or perhaps it opens up a new side to your relationship with her.
Whatever it is, I am still of the opinion that you should grow a pair and man up. Figure out whatever the f' you want and go forward. This weepy melodramatic mangina novela is tiresome, IMO.
Carlos Primeros
06-27-10, 23:19
I am not married but I am together with a Brasilian woman for more than 8 years.
I met her when she was a student and was working on the side to afford a living. Five years ago she finished university is no now a dentist in Niteroi. I am every three to four weeks in Brasil and see her on a very regular basis. After she got a job where she earned enough money to support herself, she never asked me for a penny, we even argue who is paying in the restaurant.
On week-ends sisters, brothers and a mother are comming by, for a beer, a churasco or just for a chat, nobody even entertained over all the years the idea to ask for money or any kind of support, not her and not me. I am part of the family and I have on the contrary experienced help even without asking.
I never experienced the "Filippina-Syndrom" that when you are with a girl, you suddenly have to care for an entire extended family.
Why are Brasileiras so open, happy and cheer-full? I do not know but I am happy they exist. You can certainly meet also a Piranha - and the you are in the shit. You are the master of your life and you have to take a decision. Nobody here on the board can do it for you. Get going - one way or the other!
These are my two centavos worth of opinion.
Carlos Primeros
Stinky Squid
06-27-10, 23:22
The reality is that there is no set answer. Different women have different needs and reasons they act the way they do. I am not married to a Brazilian but been in a relationship with one for over 6 or 7 months now. She makes no demands, does not have a f'd up needy family, and is fairly independent.
Thanks, that's a helpful experience. By the way I haven't been here for a while because I don't want to tire you out. And I am not weepy. Much of what you're suggesting is what I am about to do. Just trying to look before I leap because there is not going to be a way to go back on that decision.
Stinky Squid,
What I can tell you is while it's fun to "paquerar" and fool around with girls from the lower classes, be very careful when it comes to namorar/dating them. The highest likelihood of you having to "marry and support" the entire family is when you get involved with a girl of lower class/socio-economical condition than you.
The best thing and most fullfilling route to pursue in the long run (that is your interest in Brasil is more than just 1 week a year mongering trip in Rio restricted just to Copa) is to invest the time to learn as much Portuguese as you can. Immerse yourself in the Brasilian culture/community where you live and online.
Then make friends with Brasilians of your socio-economical class/background where the friendships you make will be less likely to be of an interest basis but more of a real and solid basis. Of course you learning the lingo will open up not only so many more options both in terms of daily chores than with women that would remain unreachable otherwise but also make things for you so much easier and so much more enjoyable as well. Oh and I'd also add to venture outside of the obvious and very touristy and jadded areas of Rio/SP/Fortaleza. Do dare to venture into the interior as that's where you'll have the best experiences and would get to see the real Brasil and its thousand and one faces at a a lot cheaper than the above mentioned cities. Do that and you'll get to see a mesmerizing country with a fascinating culture and great people. I realize I may not be as jaded as some other older gents in here with Brasil and Brasilians (and I secretly hope never to reach that level jadeddness (is that a word? LOL ). Anyhow, hope this helps SS.
Mr Enternational
06-29-10, 02:24
This SS's girl is just another favela rat.
Squid, what you need to do is to come back to Brasil and just fuck anything that moves.
And yes, you are a whining wimp.I remember those days. I was taking them 2 by 2 just like Noah. And so came my personal record of 11 in 2 days.
Stinky Squid
06-29-10, 04:01
This SS's girl is just another favela rat.
Squid, what you need to do is to come back to Brasil and just fuck anything that moves.
And yes, you are a whining wimp.
Perkele, you are so wrong, and you have not any evidence that could speak against good girls out of low class situations. My girl has held up every bit of paranoid scrutiny that I mustered her with and that you guys have warned me about. She gave me a chewing gum and I thought man that might be knock-out stuff. Wrong! She asked me to pick her up at the mall and I took your advice that she's a gold digger. Wrong! She just didn't know where I lived. I could have been a gentleman and pick her up but no she had to find my place all by herself. She did all that for me while I was scrutinizing her. On and on, every step of the way she proved to be more genuine. You don't call my girl a "favela rat"!
No, I am not a monger at heart. I'm never going to fuck everything that moves. I have always been looking for emotional experiences in the mongering scene. That's why I was always disappointed, except the Brazilian WGs were really nice.
But there is nothing like the emotions of true love. And you call me a wimp and my story a "Novela", I don't care! In fact I love it! I look forward to a melodramatically spiced up relationship with my girl. I love the heat, love the drama, the poetry. Life to the fullest, emotions overflowing. That is my inner self finally being set free! I will let it out and it feels so darn good!
But there is nothing like the emotions of true love. And you call me a wimp and my story a "Novela", I don't care! In fact I love it! I look forward to a melodramatically spiced up relationship with my girl. I love the heat, love the drama, the poetry. Life to the fullest, emotions overflowing. That is my inner self finally being set free! I will let it out and it feels so darn good!
You seems to be very egoistic. I feel sorry for the girl and your wife.
In the end you'll propably loose both of them.
Perkele, you are so wrong, and you have not any evidence that could speak against good girls out of low class situations. My girl has held up every bit of paranoid scrutiny that I mustered her with and that you guys have warned me about. She gave me a chewing gum and I thought man that might be knock-out stuff. Wrong! She asked me to pick her up at the mall and I took your advice that she's a gold digger. Wrong! She just didn't know where I lived. I could have been a gentleman and pick her up but no she had to find my place all by herself. She did all that for me while I was scrutinizing her. On and on, every step of the way she proved to be more genuine. You don't call my girl a "favela rat"!
No, I am not a monger at heart. I'm never going to fuck everything that moves. I have always been looking for emotional experiences in the mongering scene. That's why I was always disappointed, except the Brazilian WGs were really nice.
But there is nothing like the emotions of true love. And you call me a wimp and my story a "Novela", I don't care! In fact I love it! I look forward to a melodramatically spiced up relationship with my girl. I love the heat, love the drama, the poetry. Life to the fullest, emotions overflowing. That is my inner self finally being set free! I will let it out and it feels so darn good!
Well, I call them as I see them.
You PM'd to me very little info on your favela rat, but it was enough to make an assessment on your angel.
Your are nothing but a fool. Although I'm happy that you like drama, because that is exactly what you're asking for. Trust me, the brasilian favela rats are good source of drama and headache.
Now, please go somewhere else to discuss of your dilusional relationship with your favela rat.
Stinky Squid
06-29-10, 15:36
You seems to be very egoistic. I feel sorry for the girl and your wife. In the end you'll propably loose both of them.
Yes, of course it is "egoistic", so what? That seems to be the normal personal trait on this board, no? Isn't this entire forum is made for people who are egoistic, who seek their own pleasure probably while leaving some significant people in the dark about it? If you have made any commitment to a girl before and you're going around mongering, did you tell her? And that's not "egoistic"? I can see that you're not feeling sorry for the wives or long-term relations of any of the members here because they are being left in the dark.
If we're here finger-pointing, I think that if people here take good non-pros for a ride and then dump them, that is just as egoistic, and I feel sorry for those girls and sad for the damage that it causes in the long run.
John Cricket
06-29-10, 16:26
No, I am not a monger at heart. I'm never going to fuck everything that moves. I have always been looking for emotional experiences in the mongering scene. That's why I was always disappointed, except the Brazilian WGs were really nice.
But there is nothing like the emotions of true love. And you call me a wimp and my story a "Novela", I don't care! In fact I love it! I look forward to a melodramatically spiced up relationship with my girl. I love the heat, love the drama, the poetry. Life to the fullest, emotions overflowing. That is my inner self finally being set free! I will let it out and it feels so darn good!Oh god. [facepalm]. So what we have here is yet another so-called "romance tourist".
SS, look, I think Perky is wrong to call your newfound paramour a "favela rat" and sure, true love can happen anywhere.
But it ain't goddamned likely between two people who barely speak each others' language!
There are gringo chasers in this town. Some GdPs and some not. Who absolutely live off of giving guys like you the beautiful little Cinderella fantasy you so obviously crave. It is much more likely that you've found a woman like this than a sincere, cuddly little ingenue.
Dude, odds you're living out a middle-aged man's fantasy of escape with a woman who has your number. OK, fine. Fantays is what everyone here pays for one way or another. But until you know your carioca a whole lot better. Say years better. I wouldn't go making any big life-changing decisions if I were you.
Yes, of course it is "egoistic", so what? That seems to be the normal personal trait on this board, no?...
You obviously have no respect for other people, and have no problems fooling girls just to experience some romance.
I'm sure that the brazilian girl will understand that it's useless to have a romance with a married gringo who has a very immature way of treating her. If she's lucky she can squeeze some nice $$$ before she cuts you off. I wouldn't be surprised if she has several gringos set up like you. Like cows waiting to be milked.
There are propably other forums more suitable to discussions about weird relationships.
Yes, of course it is "egoistic", so what? That seems to be the normal personal trait on this board, no? Isn't this entire forum is made for people who are egoistic, who seek their own pleasure probably while leaving some significant people in the dark about it? If you have made any commitment to a girl before and you're going around mongering, did you tell her? And that's not "egoistic"?
Sorry mate - leave me out. I don't punt while in relationships but that's just a personal choice. There are some good arguments why some married punters do. One of them might be it helps keep together an otherwise loving if sexless marriage, and has less possibility of hurtful fall-out than an affair.
Neither am I against anyone posting for egotistic reasons. But it's not where I'm coming from. I found ISG helpful in my early days and still do when venturing to a country I've not visited. I still find help from some of the more experienced members on here, and I've been spending several months a year in Brasil for many years. So my main motivation in posting is just to assist with info on finding paid sex and hope that it goes to the right people. I used to do long posts with 'atmosphere.' They were sometimes controversial so I thought the benefits in terms of effort were too small. Many of the old timers on here couldn't give a monkey's about posting or not, they just contribute something occasionally, that's all.
If we're here finger-pointing, I think that if people here take good non-pros for a ride and then dump them, that is just as egoistic, and I feel sorry for those girls and sad for the damage that it causes in the long run.Why are you assuming a non- pro will be hurt? Can't they just be after good times too? You and your mangina are turning everything into a romance fairy tale. Like I said, noone can make the decision for you. Do whatever you want and don't think you won't be hurting your wife. Or maybe she will be glad to see your weepy ass go.
Stinky Squid
07-01-10, 20:26
You obviously have no respect for other people, and have no problems fooling girls just to experience some romance.
I'm sure that the brazilian girl will understand that it's useless to have a romance with a married gringo who has a very immature way of treating her. If she's lucky she can squeeze some nice $$$ before she cuts you off. I wouldn't be surprised if she has several gringos set up like you. Like cows waiting to be milked.
Thanks for reminding me of respect, haven't seen that here much. You flip around between defaming the girl, and then "feeling sorry for her" (or the other way round), I guess that shows how mature your outlook on life is, so yes, I can see why you would lecture about immaturity and morals on a mongering board. Way to go! I guess the less immature way of treating her would have been to "fuck [her along with] everything that moves" and move on. Too bad she never asked me for $$$, but yes, now I see, I should have paid her, best may be just when she confessed her love to me and told me in tears not to leave. That would have been the "respectful" and "mature" thing to do, wouldn't it? Man, I learn so much personal values from you guys.
Still, it's O.K., looking beyond the crap thrown around here, it still helps me thinking through it, so I am grateful.
Stinky Squid
07-01-10, 20:34
Why are you assuming a non- pro will be hurt? Can't they just be after good times too? You and your mangina are turning everything into a romance fairy tale. ...
Everyting? I guess you have not had any romance going on for a while, need I remind you that it takes two to have a romance?
But of course, your basic assumption is not to believe what a girl tells you. She must be a s l u t. so what she says otherwise must be a lie. And if the girl cries then it just means she is a better liar. I understand it takes maturity and balls to see that. Genuine feelings do not exist.
Everyting? I guess you have not had any romance going on for a while, need I remind you that it takes two to have a romance?
But of course, your basic assumption is not to believe what a girl tells you. She must be a s l u t. so what she says otherwise must be a lie. And if the girl cries then it just means she is a better liar. I understand it takes maturity and balls to see that. Genuine feelings do not exist.Look, now your postings don't even make sense anymore. But I am fairly certain you are confused as you contemplating making a major life decision. Part of me thinks you are also here looking for attention. Let me simply repeat what I have been trying to say to you and then leave you alone with your thoughts:
You are a romantic. Nothing wrong with that and the world needs romantic dreamers to balance out all the everyday shit we deal with. Just not here.
Here are the facts:
You:
Are a long-time married guy that is not happy (or has grown tired) with your wife and life.
Went to Brazil and some younger hottie there showed you some attention and made you feel like you haven't felt in a long, long while.
Started to think about how you want these new feelings in your life everyday.
Come on here (to a website for guys looking to have NSA sex with women around the world) and start pouring out your heart looking for advice from a group of guys that mostly are only looking to bang as many girls as possible.
Are old school and do not understand that there are non-pro women in Brazil (and the rest of the world) that are also looking for great NSA sex, without emotions involved. (You probably are so old school that you generally do not believe that woman are sexual animals too.)
Barely know anything about this woman in Brazil, life in Brazil, Brazilian culture, etc. She speaks a different language (even though you both speak the "language of love", yada yada.)
Are now contemplating leaving your wife and family behind to begin a new life with this women that made you feel that special something you haven't felt in awhile. (And become her kid's daddy?)
Does that an accurately descibe you and your situation? If so, then why are you here asking for advice? Only you can make the decision you need to make. I personally think you should learn much more about her (by any means possible). I know a guy that was in a very similar situation as you. Met a young very beautiful woman in Brazil with a young child while working on business there. Dumpy middle aged guy that sat next to me on flight back and starts showing me pictures of his girl and his kid (without my asking.) She's gorgeous and looks like she is under 20. Stayed in touch as he wanted me to use his business services. He started going back and forth more than his business required him to. Kept in constant contact with her, morning, noon and night (even though I felt he was looking to keep tabs on her.) His business suffered. His long time business partner finally convinced him to investigate her a bit and learned that she had a boyfriend in Brazil the whole time. And he had already left his wife and alienated his son. Guys on this forum have seen and heard these type of stories again and again. The odds are definately stacked against you.
And don't talk to me about romance and question me. I would not put myself in your position. I am different than you. When I was not happy in my marriage and was looking for more in life, I decided to first get a divorce. I cleared that out my life before I looked elsewhere for happiness. I was aware that I was not making my wife very happy either. To me that was respectful and caring. My ex-wife and I parted ways and I made personal and professional goals. I laid out a plan to get what I wanted in life and set about to make it happen. I was honest then and remain honest with anyone I am involved with now. I have a great lady in my hometown in Brazil that I care about deeply. We play together and have a fulfilling life because we openly discuss what we want. She helps me and I help her. We laugh and learn together. To me that is true "romance", not some fairytale. You talk a good game about romance, but the reality is that you fucked around on your wife and family and are now not emotionally available to them as you fawn all over this new "love interest. " What's so romantic about that?
And I am glad you mentioned "balls" in your email. I had assumed you forgot what they were. So grow back your pair of balls (it is not too late). Stop and think clearly about what you want in life for yourself (without factoring this girl in Brazil into your thinking at all). Because one thing is damn sure, true happiness begins with knowing what you want. Not many people stop and evaluate what they truly want.
Done with giving you and this novela attention now.
What is the best way to send flowers from the states to someone who is in rio? My girl's birthday is coming up this weekend and I will not be able to make it down to brasil to celebrate. Is there a way i can send her flowers without risking my credit card being cloned?
What is the best way to send flowers from the states to someone who is in rio? My girl's birthday is coming up this weekend and I will not be able to make it down to brasil to celebrate. Is there a way i can send her flowers without risking my credit card being cloned?http://www.cameliaflores.com.br/
I never had a problem.
Exec Talent
08-11-10, 21:28
What is the best way to send flowers from the states to someone who is in rio? My girl's birthday is coming up this weekend and I will not be able to make it down to brasil to celebrate. Is there a way i can send her flowers without risking my credit card being cloned?
I will send you via PM a couple of florists I have used. Great service and never a problem. One even has a staff member who speaks English.
Poucolouco
08-11-10, 21:58
What is the best way to send flowers from the states to someone who is in rio? My girl's birthday is coming up this weekend and I will not be able to make it down to brasil to celebrate. Is there a way i can send her flowers without risking my credit card being cloned?
Try Flowerland, never a problem and good service.
http://www.flowerland.com.br/default.aspx
Beach Star
09-07-10, 20:24
Happy hour at Pampas grill. Girls get free food but have to stay until at least 10pm. R$25 entry for men. Animated dance floor. Thursday is the best day but other days are OK as well. Happy hunting!
http://www.pampagrill.com.br/centro/
Try Flowerland, never a problem and good service.
http://www.flowerland.com.br/default.aspx
A word of warning here. If you send flowers through the internet they may send a receipt to your home billing address as listed on your credit card. Shouldn't be a problem for single guys but others need to be wary. A brasilian company probably won't do this but US/UK companies might.
Poucolouco
10-05-10, 20:20
A word of warning here. If you send flowers through the internet they may send a receipt to your home billing address as listed on your credit card. Shouldn't be a problem for single guys but others need to be wary. A brasilian company probably won't do this but US/UK companies might.
I have never had that experience and I have used Flowerland for years. The record of purchase, of course will show up on your credit card bill but they have never sent a receipt to either my U.S. or Brasil address.
LatinaLover#1
10-14-10, 07:10
Happy hour at Pampas grill. Girls get free food but have to stay until at least 10pm. R$25 entry for men. Animated dance floor. Thursday is the best day but other days are OK as well. Happy hunting!
http://www.pampagrill.com.br/centro/
Been there done that...my thoughts. First, you better speak Portuguese, Second, be under 50 years old and finally, enjoy a very crowded dance floor. If not... have a beer and gawk at the hot 20 something garotas for a while and then head over to Terma 65 where you will get laid.
Im going to be in Brazil for the first time in late December to January. I will be there a little over 3 weeks. I plan on going to Rio and Sao Paulo but am unsure of where else I will go. I dont speak portuguese but I do speak spanish. I plan on having some fun with the pros but I also want to meet regular girls. Any advice on picking up non pros. I know its hard to generalize and im sure each city's girls are totally different from the other. Basically im starting to do some research and im starting here. Any help and advice would be great. Feel free to send me personal messages or just respond to this thanks.
Im going to be in Brazil for the first time in late December to January. I will be there a little over 3 weeks. I plan on going to Rio and Sao Paulo but am unsure of where else I will go. I dont speak portuguese but I do speak spanish. I plan on having some fun with the pros but I also want to meet regular girls. Any advice on picking up non pros. I know its hard to generalize and im sure each city's girls are totally different from the other. Basically im starting to do some research and im starting here. Any help and advice would be great. Feel free to send me personal messages or just respond to this thanks.Hi Illini333,
Brazilcupid.com is where I've started, and I'm getting pretty good response
Must Be Jelly
12-03-10, 17:57
Hi Guys,
I am from Massachusetts, USA. Here is my question. I need advice on how to approach a Brazilian woman that I see daily walking to work. I know where she works and have said hello to her on a few occasions. She seems to be somewhat shy and I am trying to find a way to break the ice with her. I thought about sending her some flowers to her at work but before I take any steps on my own I would like some advice from the forum. I am not even sure she speaks any english or if she is involved with anyone.feel free to PM me or post here.
Thank you very much in advance.
YF023
I need advice on how to approach a Brazilian woman that I see daily walking to work... She seems to be somewhat shy and I am trying to find a way to break the ice with her.
Make a "psiuuu" (like you are calling for a cat) followed by a "Gostoooosa!" All this at the same times as your are hissing your teeth, grabbing your balls and looking her up and down like a fat kid looks at a cake.
Exec Talent
12-03-10, 21:57
Make a "psiuuu" (like you are calling for a cat) followed by a "Gostoooosa!" All this at the same times as your are hissing your teeth, grabbing your balls and looking her up and down like a fat kid looks at a cake.
It he gets that sound right, I'll fly to Massachusetts and ask her out for him. Brazilians are the only ones from whom I have heard it.
Member #3439
12-16-10, 06:04
I plan on having some fun with the pros but I also want to meet regular girls. Any advice on picking up non pros. I know its hard to generalize and im sure each city's girls are totally different from the other. 'Non-pro' in ISG parlance implies that the girl is a hoochie. Sounds like you want a classier civilian girl. For a regular girl in Sao Paulo, wear something nice and cruise the shopping malls. For a regular girl in Rio, try having lunch at the open air cafes in Lapa or at the comida à quilo places on or adjacent to Rua Sete de Setembro, starting just northeast of Praca Tiradentes. At quilo places, you can even meet them in the line. I see plenty of girls at these places, like office and shop workers, eating lunch by themselves. I've encountered a couple that spoke a little English. You can go get numbers and set up night activities if that's your thing.
Other tips:
Don't stay in Copa or they'll know you're a monger.
Wait until the end of the trip so the girl isn't cockblocking you the whole time from accomplishing your pro goals.
Don't wear Havaianas or anything like that. Especially not in Sao Paulo. :)
In my experience, it seems to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off normal Brasilians if someone is speaking Spanish to them. I have a friend whose first language is Spanish, speaks no Porto and he has a hard time being understood by the Brasilians who are willing to try to understand. Better to find some girl that speaks a little English and use your gringo-factor to your advantage. Since it's only 3 weeks, maybe consider sticking to pros. You only live once, it's fun to lay as many as possible, so why not. I know in 3 weeks running my normal route (Rio Branco, Bar 22, Florida, VM, 4x4 ) you could lay >60 pretty girls for a couple thousand USD max, dependent on how many you take in 4x4.
Make a "psiuuu" (like you are calling for a cat) followed by a "Gostoooosa!" All this at the same times as your are hissing your teeth, grabbing your balls and looking her up and down like a fat kid looks at a cake.LMAO. Now that was funny!
I can picture the scene now.
In general do not send flowers as you will look like a pussy, but for sure do not send flowers prior to GETTING some pussy. That is just basic procedure.
Make a "psiuuu" (like you are calling for a cat) followed by a "Gostoooosa!" All this at the same times as your are hissing your teeth, grabbing your balls and looking her up and down like a fat kid looks at a cake.Nothing funnier than seeing a contruction worker, filthy, no teeth, ugly as hell doing the above in Rio as a stunner walks past. Often wondered if he actually thinks he has a chance in hell or WTF is he getting out of it?
Nothing funnier than seeing a contruction worker, filthy, no teeth, ugly as hell doing the above in Rio as a stunner walks past. Often wondered if he actually thinks he has a chance in hell or WTF is he getting out of it?Things like that makes me love Brazil. How they worship women.
Everybody, old and young, rich and poor, beautifil and ugly, everybody flirt with women. I admire the busdrivers who manage to drive in insane traffic and still flirt with women on the streets.
I guess all this constant flirting is a kind of brainwashing since their early age. Making psiuuu, shamelessy eying bundas and tits and giving the women dirty comments is a natural brazilian behaviour. Mostly quite harmless, and the majority of the women propably don't mind at all.
Poucolouco
12-17-10, 21:17
Things like that makes me love Brazil. How they worship women.
Everybody, old and young, rich and poor, beautifil and ugly, everybody flirt with women. I admire the busdrivers who manage to drive in insane traffic and still flirt with women on the streets.
I guess all this constant flirting is a kind of brainwashing since their early age. Making psiuuu, shamelessy eying bundas and tits and giving the women dirty comments is a natural brazilian behaviour. Mostly quite harmless, and the majority of the women propably don't mind at all.
Wait until the end of the trip so the girl isn't cockblocking you the whole time from accomplishing your pro goals.
LOL. From my experiences, this is very true. It's not uncommon for them to be very possessive. Basically, you are on lockdown.
What is the best way to send flowers from the states to someone who is in rio? My girl's birthday is coming up this weekend and I will not be able to make it down to brasil to celebrate. Is there a way i can send her flowers without risking my credit card being cloned?I've had real good luck with Flora 2000. I've sent flowers twice, and never had any problems with credit card numbers or delivery. www.flora2000.com
Im going to be in Brazil for the first time in late December to January. I will be there a little over 3 weeks. I plan on going to Rio and Sao Paulo but am unsure of where else I will go. I dont speak portuguese but I do speak spanish. I plan on having some fun with the pros but I also want to meet regular girls. Any advice on picking up non pros. I know its hard to generalize and im sure each city's girls are totally different from the other. Basically im starting to do some research and im starting here. Any help and advice would be great. Feel free to send me personal messages or just respond to this thanks.If you're still looking for information, the place to look is on www.**********.com. It piggybacks very well with this site. If you don't feel that you want to spend the $6. 00 USD a month (less if you join for more than a month) , you can still get the information, just by joining the site. The only difference is that if you are a paying member (like ISG) , you get to see all the photos that are posted. The place you want to go is to the guides. This is different from the trip reports. When you get to the guides, there will be several about Brasil The guide written by Bwana Dik is by far, the most extensive and all-encompassing for Rio. You'll find that some of the guides are somewhat dated. But the information is still pretty good, when it comes to where to go. The one notable exception is that Help or Clube Help is no longer open. It was closed a while back. But if you read the trip reports and the South American Chat, you can get information on its successor.
Exec Talent
01-22-11, 20:38
Was hanging out in Lapa last evening with about 50, 000 other people and was constantly being checked out by the locals. If you can dance and speak Portuguese your can pretty much write your own ticket. Unlike in the Ipanema bars where you have GDPs pretending to be non-GDPs and a lot of stuck up girls looking for Mr. Right, the Lapa bars are filled with girl next door types looking to hookup. Just watch out for the cougars who will try to grab your butt!
Rio Me Ever
02-08-11, 20:09
Was hanging out in Lapa last evening with about 50, 000 other people and was constantly being checked out by the locals. If you can dance and speak Portuguese your can pretty much write your own ticket. Unlike in the Ipanema bars where you have GDPs pretending to be non-GDPs and a lot of stuck up girls looking for Mr. Right, the Lapa bars are filled with girl next door types looking to hookup. Just watch out for the cougars who will try to grab your butt!Please give the names of the clubs you visited in lapa and the address if you remember.
I am in RIO now and I might want to check lapa out.
Thanks
Exec Talent
02-09-11, 22:43
Please give the names of the clubs you visited in lapa and the address if you remember.
I am in RIO now and I might want to check lapa out.
ThanksI am trying to locate a card from a hotel right down the street but not having much luck. If I find it, I will post it or send you a PM. I have been to a number of places, including Rio Scenarium; this one was a Forró dance club with the dancing pouring out into the street. The energy level was very high and the band never took a break.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forr%C3%B3.
Keep in mind what I said about knowing how to dance and speak Portuguese. The girls you will find in Lapa are not the English speaking GDPs trolling Shenanigans in Ipanema.
GeneralOpinion
02-10-11, 03:45
Was hanging out in Lapa last evening with about 50, 000 other people and was constantly being checked out by the locals. If you can dance and speak Portuguese your can pretty much write your own ticket. Unlike in the Ipanema bars where you have GDPs pretending to be non-GDPs and a lot of stuck up girls looking for Mr. Right, the Lapa bars are filled with girl next door types looking to hookup. Just watch out for the cougars who will try to grab your butt!What clubs are in Ipanema that have GDPs pretending NOT to be GDPs? I might try my hand at pulling a few. LOL. My Portuguese is Intermediate and I can definitely dance. LOL.
Exec Talent
03-15-11, 17:01
I am trying to locate a card from a hotel right down the street but not having much luck. If I find it, I will post it or send you a PM. I have been to a number of places, including Rio Scenarium; this one was a Forró dance club with the dancing pouring out into the street. The energy level was very high and the band never took a break.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forr
%C3%B3.
Keep in mind what I said about knowing how to dance and speak Portuguese. The girls you will find in Lapa are not the English speaking GDPs trolling Shenanigans in Ipanema. I found the card for the hotel which is just down the street from the club I mentioned. It is Hotel Alicante, Rua do Riachuelo, No 105 Centro. Rio de Janeiro. This is not where the club is located but it is within a block or two. I assume the band there was the house band which included a keyboardist and a couple of singers. There is a small dance floor. Good luck!
Member #3439
07-17-11, 08:34
Wow, so many months and no posts. Does this mean ISG is not interested in non-pros or simply that ISG is finding non-pros so easy to get? I trust you guys and believe the latter is true.
I am wondering, how are you guys doing with non-pros and does anyone have any recent experience to share? Is Orkut still a good path to a hookup? Share your experiences. Basically I am getting bored with hanging out solo in Rio and just mongering. I have seen the major attractions, so I end up banging putas and sleeping and that's about it. Thinking of skipping it for BsAs in the future, but my gut tells me that would be a mistake. I would like to find a non-pro in RJ state for hanging out and something cultural even if screwing is not certain. If she decides she likes me and wants to fuck, I will accomodate, but more than anything I am interested in some garota to show me something off the beaten path. I'm beginning to think I have to do couch surfing or something to find a genuine experience in this town. Plus, I would like to meet a normal girl so I can ward off bad feelings toward Brasileiras who seem to always be after my money. I am sure they are not all that way, but after many trips thats the only kind of girl that I've got to know outside of my work. I want to experience real Brasil and a normal Brasileira in her natural environment outside work.
Of course, I know where to find sex in Rio. But plan to be in Rio more frequently and would like to experience something other than ISG venues or the tourist spots. So I would like to find a girl to explore with, inside Rio and outside if I have the whim to go somewhere else, of course with me paying the expenses. A girl that isn't playing money games like GP's. Does anyone know of a good method for a guy with intermediate spoken and poor written Porto to find a non-puta girl for touring and some company?
Is Orkut still a good path to a hookup? Share your experiences.The majority of the brazilians have or had a Orkut account. Orkut has lost a lot in popularity as it seems that they start to prefer Facebook.
I have not tried to date any girl by using Orkut. I don't have the time to waste on keeping in contact sending cute messages etc. I rather flirt with girls on the streets in Brazil than by internetdating.
I had a friend who added more than a hundred dark-skinned Rio girls as friends on his Orkut. He wanted to meet a non-pro for a serious relationship. The girls looked really nice. I warned my friend that regular girls wouldn't fill their albums posing sexy in bikini and lingerie and put "sex" as main interest. When he went to Rio he dated a half-dozen of the girls. All were pro's (Help and Terma-girls). He got laid (paying) but had zero success in meeting a non-pro.
I think you should have a go at Orkut. Try it without any high expectations. It might be good training in writing in Portuguese.
wow, so many months and no posts.oh well, i've been flamed many times for stating that, but let's reiterate: brasil is a rather bad hunting ground for a non-pro player, whatever his skills and his cultural knowledge. brasileiras have very little esteem and very little interest for sex-hungry tourists. to a greater extent, there is an underlying distrust of gringos among them and in many cases it's dislike, and even hate. for a carioca chick a sex-hungry tourist is more or less at the same level than a cockroach. on the other hand they have a very high opinion of their fellow countrymen. they are suckers about their own culture. practically fanatical. and they date boys their own age. their peer group, sharing their common interests, ect. gringos are completely out of this loop. in big cities cosmopolitan bowels, any decent-looking girl has dozens of horny, athletic, attractive, confident, fun, charming and sometimes outrageously rich local guys at her feet begging to please her. a "never to be seen again after his two weeks vacations are over" foreigner is nothing of value for those girls. btw most mid-to upper class girls may not want to be seen making out or holding hands with a gringo. they may see this as a loss of status if the local guys start considering her a piranha who fucks foreigners.
that said, some faveladas or lower-class chicks might see some benefit to fuck foreigners, so don't be desesperate, guys.
there's parts of the world where with some game and cultural awareness, scoring freebies is 1000 easier than in brasil, but it's not the place to talk about it (smilie).
oh well, i've been flamed many times for stating that, but let's reiterate: brasil is a rather bad hunting ground for a non-pro player, whatever his skills and his cultural knowledge. brasileiras have very little esteem and very little interest for sex-hungry tourists. to a greater extent, there is an underlying distrust of gringos among them and in many cases it's dislike, and even hate. for a carioca chick a sex-hungry tourist is more or less at the same level than a cockroach. on the other hand they have a very high opinion of their fellow countrymen. they are suckers about their own culture. practically fanatical. and they date boys their own age. their peer group, sharing their common interests, ect. gringos are completely out of this loop. in big cities cosmopolitan bowels, any decent-looking girl has dozens of horny, athletic, attractive, confident, fun, charming and sometimes outrageously rich local guys at her feet begging to please her. a "never to be seen again after his two weeks vacations are over" foreigner is nothing of value for those girls. btw most mid-to upper class girls may not want to be seen making out or holding hands with a gringo. they may see this as a loss of status if the local guys start considering her a piranha who fucks foreigners.
that said, some faveladas or lower-class chicks might see some benefit to fuck foreigners, so don't be desesperate, guys.
there's parts of the world where with some game and cultural awareness, scoring freebies is 1000 easier than in brasil, but it's not the place to talk about it (smilie).interesting observations. to a certain extent, i agree with several of your points made. yes, the perception of class status is an integral part of their society.
dated a civilian, nitteroinse. she did not want me to wear boardshorts to the beach; instead, to wear a sunga. apparently, she felt that i made her stick out, and my identity as a gringo would be revealed. why? because women with gringos (in boardshorts) are gdps, and she did not want to be perceived that way by her fellow brasilians.
i can tell you, on many occasions, where brasilians have told me, "do you think you are better than me?" often, i was blind sided with these remarks; however, it usually took place after i was identified as a gringo.
i do disagree with your statement on scoring. for me, there was always good play on the barca between praca xv and nitteroi. many married women. however, there was no way in hell i would go long-term with these ladies. from experience, if they cheat, they will likely repeat.
Exec Talent
07-21-11, 16:02
I have been meaning to put together some helpful hints on meeting and greeting non-pros when I had time but unfortunately, that hasn't been lately. I soon will be back in the land of milk and honeys and have the opportunity to consult with some of the honeys about what it is they are looking for in a gringo.
One thing out of the box I can tell you is that if you are a loser in your country you suddenly won't be a winner in Brazil. That goes double for in the bedroom. If you don't know what you are doing, don't even bother taking it out. Remember this is no longer about money. She is going to have expectations too.
Mr Enternational
07-22-11, 08:27
One thing out of the box I can tell you is that if you are a loser in your country you suddenly won't be a winner in Brazil. That goes double for in the bedroom. If you don't know what you are doing, don't even bother taking it out. Remember this is no longer about money. She is going to have expectations too.What if I know what I'm doing, but I don't have money?
What if I know what I'm doing, but I don't have money?She won't know if you do or not. Being a foreigner you will automatically be assumed to be the in "A's", basically the top class of socio economic standing. I think the grading goes to as low as "E". Most GDP's come from the "E's" or "D's", so any step up for them will be a big plus!
What if I know what I'm doing, but I don't have money?I think that if you don't have 100€/day for dating expenses, better stay home. Personaly I never ever let my GFs or dates pay for their drinks, entrance to a club, share in restaurant or whatever. IMO this is not only a question of elementary male courtesy, but this also reminds them of their status in the relationship, and who is the dominant player.
Nonetheless I also never let them dictate me how spend money on them, it would be pathetic to do so.
If you are in Rio for a short time R$200 to R$300 is probably what you will spend per day. Works out about the same as going to a Terma I guess.
If you are in Rio a longer time, the cost is much less. For example you may go out one night and spend R$300 or more, but the next day you might just hang at the beach, maybe eat at home and you may only spend R$50. Average cost will probably be around R$100, and she will be more than happy for that. You could get away with less, I know guys that live in Rio and spend way less and there G / F's / dates / f*k buddies, are not any less desirable than the dude that spends huge cash!
In Rio, one can fight well above ones weight division!
Exec Talent
07-22-11, 17:47
She won't know if you do or not. Being a foreigner you will automatically be assumed to be the in "A's", basically the top class of socio economic standing. I think the grading goes to as low as "E". Most GDP's come from the "E's" or "D's", so any step up for them will be a big plus!Sorry, I thought I was posting in the non-pro thread as in you are NOT paying them.
In which case it does matter tremendously whether you know you are doing in bed.
GDPs are happy when you last one minute. Non-pros will kick you to the curb. And, another thing that non-pros don't like are ED drugs. All you guys wishing you had a non-pro may have a change of heart when the moment of truth comes (pun intended). Also, since money is not involved she has no reason to tell you you are fantastic in bed, unless of course, you are.
Personaly I never ever let my GFs or dates pay for their drinks, entrance to a club, share in restaurant or whatever.Wow, what a gentleman! A sophisticated dude like you must have to beat the non-pros off with a stick.
Sorry, I thought I was posting in the non-pro thread as in you are NOT paying them.
In which case it does matter tremendously whether you know you are doing in bed.
GDPs are happy when you last one minute. Non-pros will kick you to the curb. And, another thing that non-pros don't like are ED drugs. All you guys wishing you had a non-pro may have a change of heart when the moment of truth comes (pun intended). Also, since money is not involved she has no reason to tell you you are fantastic in bed, unless of course, you are.Yes I should not put the GDP in there. I have dated both in Rio, really don't see any difference in that if they are going to date gringos they are more interested in material things or at the very least security. I also think being good in bed is lower down on their list of priorities. Security probably is the number 1. Sex can be had from anybody, most but not all Brazilians cheat on their partner.
Member #4244
07-23-11, 05:43
I think that if you don't have 100€/day for dating expenses, better stay home. Personaly I never ever let my GFs or dates pay for their drinks, entrance to a club, share in restaurant or whatever. IMO this is not only a question of elementary male courtesy, but this also reminds them of their status in the relationship, and who is the dominant player.
Nonetheless I also never let them dictate me how spend money on them, it would be pathetic to do so.I could not agree more. This tells the woman very clearly who the dominant player is. And that it is HER.
Member #3439
07-30-11, 08:33
Has anyone had luck on hookups through this site?
My budget for next trip is lower than usual, and I've been wanting to go off the beaten path so I was thinking of trying to find a girl to hang out with somewhere outside Rio, in a casual NSA kind of way through Parperfeito.
A friend and estemed senior member here on ISG / BR spoke to his Carioca girlfriend on my behalf to find a normal girl for me to hang out with on my next visit to Rio, and she basically told him that normal Brasileiras think gringos visiting Rio are losers and the only time they hang out with them is when there is a prospect of marriage. I guess there is a stereotype due to sexpats, and even business layover visitors and classier vacationers get lumped into that mold. Unfortunate for those of us who just want to have a day with someone other than a hooker, with no expectation of payment or marriage. Maybe like to go dancing or touring somewhere..as opposed to my usual routine of hitting ho-houses all evening and night, writing ISG reports at sunrise and then sleeping all day. That is exhausting after the first few days and, although it makes for good reports, is more like work than fun.
So maybe the Rio girls think that way of gringos. But on the other hand I know some guys who are even 30 years older than me that do in fact still have a great time outside the urban areas with Brasileiras < 30 anos with no expectation of cash or marriage. So, I was thinking of using Parperfeito to find a girl outside of the Rio/SP, like maybe over in Minas Gerais, who can appreciate just having a good time without trying to clean my pockets or set me up for marriage. Any thoughts on this plan or the subject website?
of the Rio/SP, like maybe over in Minas Gerais,I'd rate SP amply over Minais or Goias when it comes to freebies. SP girls are different than country girls obviously, who marry much younger, are much more conservative, and often have a stronger "morality" (especially in Minas, which has the largest born-again xtian evangelist population in the country, with about 35% of the population being part of the born-again Evangelical community). SP girls on the contrary are generally quite cosmopolitan, liberal, learned and worldly, and have much less prejudices towards foreigners. My fav target group in SP was mid-to-late 20's girls who are working mentally and physically draining "good" jobs and need some adventure, romance and sex. Nonetheless girls at this age expect a man to be successful, well-appointed and culturally compatible, anything less isn't a man worth fucking.
Also, I don't mean to overstate this issue as you can't let it affect your m-o, but I reiterate that most "Grade A" provincial girls would not been see making out with a foreigner, it would be a loss of status for them if the local guys start considering her as a piranha who fucks foreigner. Even a provincial city of the size of Goiania is very much a fishbowl where everyone is watching everyone, and with quite often only 3-4 hip cafes that girls go to and 1-2 popular "in" nightclubs that people go to.
I've used parperfeito for SP with rather good results, at least good results for Brasil, which is not a good hunting ground for freebies IMO. Did it also for Goiania, where I spent one full month, and results were poor, to say the least.
Poucolouco
07-30-11, 16:00
Has anyone had luck on hookups through this site?
My budget for next trip is lower than usual, and I've been wanting to go off the beaten path so I was thinking of trying to find a girl to hang out with somewhere outside Rio, in a casual NSA kind of way through Parperfeito.
Any thoughts on this plan or the subject website?Parperfeito is worth exploring. I have had good experience with it and met several nice women throughout Brasil on the site. It has a huge subscribership in Brasil and good features with adequate information for both parties to screen potential contacts. One useful feature is the declaration of intentions. Although most Brasilieras are looking for a long-term relationship, many clearly state they are seeking a casual friendship, or sex. They also have the opportunity to declare weather they are looking for someone local or from another country. Keeping in mind that Brasilieras lie as much as mongers, your success boils down to how well the two parties communicate.
Member #3439
08-01-11, 04:29
I signed up for Badoo today and, just FYI, it doesn't seem like a good place to meet girls for sex only but it does seems like a good site to find some female company for touring, etc.
I don't message girls unless they message me first. Most of the girls messaging me are looking 25-30, seem like actual non-pros I. E. No really flirty types. No real hotties but I don't expect that a hottie non-pro is going to be on badoo anyway. One claims to be a data processing typist, one claims to be a math teacher, things like that. In an hour I got telephone number for a okay looking twentysomething black girl who wants to meet an go with me to some live music place near her home in Campo Grande when I get into town. Sounds fun to me. I don't suppose it is too hard to get into these girls pants. Obviously they aren't quenched or they wouldn't be spending time online trying to meet men. I make it clear that I am not looking for a relationship, just friends. Nevertheless the girls who chat me up are interested. I may try some badoo girls next time in town, just for activities like dancing and stuff, but with hopes of fringe benefits.
Member #3439
08-14-11, 08:39
Getting sick of Carioca hookers and their same games, and spoiled by far, far, far better P4P services in Asia so I decided to try my hand at trolling online RJ non-pros just for something more, um, cultural and real, I guess.
So far I've been trolling the typical sites like Parperfeito with not much luck. But now I got a weird one.
Licensed nurse in a suburb. 25 yrs old college grad white girl. 7.5-8, lives with her parents. I did a little research for scam defense and her story checks against her name. Plus the pics she sent verify everything for reasons that I won't post here. She had a paid account on a dating site. I told her I work in Rio occasionally but can't stay there for long because I have commitments elsewhere. Then she totally deleted her dating site account 2 days after I had chatted with her and agreed to meet on my upcoming trip. So I asked her why she completely cancelled her dating account and she said because she had found me and we have MSN, I am educado, gentil, bonito, and I had agreed to meet her on my next visit, and she didn't need the account anymore. Ummm. Slow down. Claims she wants to travel in to meet me in Centro after her work ends every day. I said my Porto is understandable but not very great, she says no problem she wants to help me speak better Porto. Wants for me to attend her birthday party with friends and family. Etc and for me to see her on every trip. Hmm? Coming on a little strong?
Now I have another upcoming trip to the Far East/SEA and she is asking me not to post pics of me with something Asian because it will attract more girls that are totally unecessary since she will be seeing my on my next trip. (maybe she has a fetish for guys who travel Asia?) Asks if I will IM with her daily on my trip in Asia (which includes mongering Phils!), etc. Wants to meet on my first day back in Rio. A little freaky for a monger like me who is used to cool handed nihilist Centro putas. Is this what you non-pro hunters experience sometimes?
The moral of the story is that maybe there are some girls out in the suburbs who look at a gringo and don't see SAFADO on his forehead. I don't know what will transpire with this girl. If she wants to run her game with me during the nights that fine cause I get most of my variety during the day in Tijuca and Centro apts when she would be at work anyway..might be fun to have a namorada instead of hookers in the evenings. But I feel like she is already aiming for something more, based on just 2 hours of chatting. Weird. The girl seems classy, never talks about sex and I don't either, but she has made it abundantly clear that she wants to become my namorada, albeit part-time cause I dont live there, and is willing to invest travel money and time to do it. I wonder if she is crazy or is this how they work? nossa!.
But I feel like she is already aiming for something more, based on just 2 hours of chatting... Weird. I wonder if she is crazy or is this how they work? nossa!.
She sure doesn't waste any time. Maybe a bit desperate?
A woman like that can be a hassle to get rid of if your relationship doesn't work.
Member #3439
08-14-11, 10:37
She sure doesn't waste any time. Maybe a bit desperate?
A woman like that can be a hassle to get rid of if your relationship doesn't work.
More like extremely confident that I'm going to want to do all this. For example the comment was not, don't meet any other online girls, it was more like: it wont be necessary for me to meet any other online girls because she has everything taken care of. I'm not convinced until I see her bouncing up and down on my piru and we have not discussed that.
I'll just move from Centro to Copa if she is getting to be too much. AKA 'Go home.' I never agreed to anything more than going out to dinner..everything else is her idea. I'm soon to get some practice being seen by, and then evading, a tenacious bar girl in Manila who is going to claim she is now pregnant by me, so evading a Brasilian non-pro should be easy after that!! :(
Claims she wants to travel in to meet me in Centro after her work ends every day. I said my Porto is understandable but not very great, she says no problem she wants to help me speak better Porto. Wants for me to attend her birthday party with friends and family. Etc and for me to see her on every trip. Hmm? Coming on a little strong?She sounds a little naïve, like she paid to go on the dating site and now she has found her man and that's it. She has no idea who or what you are and you're motivations. She must have lived a sheltered life with her family and doesn't have much experience with men or these dating sites because if she did she would realize that most of what is exchanged is far from the truth. She's obviously looking for a long term serious relationship and you are obviously not. The best that can happen here is you fool her into having sex and she goes berserk when she figures out you're a safado and not a serious partner. I have gone out with girls on dating sites in Rio and now I usually pass on ones like this because it could get tense. I prefer some honesty up front it makes things easier, you're here to have fun as I am so lets just have some fun nothing too serious although lets see what happens maybe something can develop. Why don't you be just a little more truthful with her and see if the intensity eases?
2 words for you- Bunny boiler! Get ready to be stalked if you don't want her!
Member #3439
08-14-11, 23:28
She sounds a little naïve, like she paid to go on the dating site and now she has found her man and that's it. She has no idea who or what you are and you're motivations. She must have lived a sheltered life with her family and doesn't have much experience with men or these dating sites because if she did she would realize that most of what is exchanged is far from the truth. She's obviously looking for a long term serious relationship and you are obviously not. The best that can happen here is you fool her into having sex and she goes berserk when she figures out you're a safado and not a serious partner. I have gone out with girls on dating sites in Rio and now I usually pass on ones like this because it could get tense. I prefer some honesty up front it makes things easier, you're here to have fun as I am so lets just have some fun nothing too serious although lets see what happens maybe something can develop. Why don't you be just a little more truthful with her and see if the intensity eases?Hard to tell what she is up to. I told her flat out that I only visit Rio maybe only 2-3 times per year, and still she is saying that is okay I will see you everytime you are here. I never, ever insinuated that I want anything more than to hang out and practice my Porto. But she has the grand plan.
You are right she seems naive. Going on 26 and lives with her parents. I ask why, cause she has a nice job, and she says cause she doesn't want to be alone. She went to school in Centro and goes to Lapa sometimes, so it's not like she is a country bumpkin or something.
I may be a safado but not a filho the puta. 100% gentleman in normal situations. So we will hang out and do things, and if she seems to want to screw then we will. If not I'll go do putas when she is at work, just like usual.
Eric Cartman
08-14-11, 23:47
2 words for you- Bunny boiler!Livin' in the past man, livin' in the past :-D
Member #3439
08-15-11, 01:24
Livin' in the past man, livin' in the past :-DThis means we have to leave our rabbits at home?
I think the mere fact that a Brasilian girl has a paid Account on a dating site in the first place says she's either a semi-pro or a lonely heart. How one can be a lonely heart in Rio, I do not know. This being a place where people make out on the metro, hold hands walking town the street. Seems pretty easy place to hook up if you are a native.
I can't imagine that Brasilian girls really truly expect guys to not be safados. At least 50% of the white collar Brasilian guys I work with screw around on their wives. In 2 cases, the wives even know about the mistresses. It almost seems to be a macho thing. Once a manager took us to see his mistress at her place of business and to show off the little boy that he fathered by her. Then he pulled out a pic and showed us his wife and other family that lives in his hometown.
If these educated and well mannered upper middle-class Brasileiros are generally safado, then I hope the girls don't truly expect to get better behavior from the normal everyday Brasileiros.
Mr Enternational
08-15-11, 05:18
So far I've been trolling the typical sites like Parperfeito with not much luck. But now I got a weird one. Licensed nurse in a suburb. 25 yrs old college grad white girl. 7.5-8, lives with her parents.You are a lucky man. I suspect her friends and family will throw a barbecue (dammit or is it barbeque?) in your honor.
I'm not convinced until I see her bouncing up and down on my piru and we have not discussed that.Yet you stay sensible!
Member #3439
08-16-11, 23:22
You are a lucky man. I suspect her friends and family will throw a barbecue (dammit or is it barbeque?) in your honor.
Yet you stay sensible!If I were a Brasileiro, I'd would be very concerned about my daughter seeing a gringo. I'd be even more concerned about her seeing any of the Brasileiros that I've worked with in a professional setting or known well with outside work. :) They apparently don't psychologically neuter the Brasilian guys from birth like in some other countries. I am not sure if they have the concept of 'how to treat a lady' as they call it in EUA. I treat girls like ladies, even hookers. It doesn't mean anything since I'm a passive aggressive safado underneath, but at least I gloss it over a bit unlike the Brasileiros..'suuuwweee...oi, gatinha..ehh..precisa chupa meu piru, quer foder agora?'.. or something like that. :)
If I were a Brasileiro, I'd would be very concerned about my daughter seeing a gringo. I'd be even more concerned about her seeing any of the Brasileiros that I've worked with in a professional setting or known well with outside work. :) They apparently don't psychologically neuter the Brasilian guys from birth like in some other countries. I am not sure if they have the concept of 'how to treat a lady' as they call it in EUA. I treat girls like ladies, even hookers. It doesn't mean anything since I'm a passive aggressive safado underneath, but at least I gloss it over a bit unlike the Brasileiros.'suuuwweee.oi, gatinha.ehh.precisa chupa meu piru, quer foder agora?'. or something like that. :)It depends which part of the country you're in. I suspect this kind of behavior is often found in Rio and up in the northeast. Here in Sao Paulo it'd be taken as a rude behavior associate with lower economic class BUT when brazilians go to "clinicas" they don't think they should treat a GDP as a lady. It's just business no need for social interaction.
Member #3439
08-18-11, 19:44
You are a lucky man. I suspect her friends and family will throw a barbecue (dammit or is it barbeque?) in your honor.
Yet you stay sensible!It turns out the girl is upper-middle class well-to-do and going to med school. Very sophisticated and feels like Puta Playa is just like her. Haha. I love it! Doesn't mind me not being there all the time, just wants this gentleman ho monger as a companion even short time periodically when he is town. :) Can we go to Teatro Muncipal.??/
So I am continuing the chat, in Porto of course, and emails with the girl, and she says I'm a gentleman and don't just want to talk about sex. So I said that yeah, but I expect tudo and want you to amaze me, which means not in my hotel. And then the response it that I like sex with people I like, and I ALREADY like you, so I am going to find someplace interesting for us to have sex. So basically if I was there today I would be balls deep in this girl on a beach somewhere near Rio, and the story gets better.
And then she says she wants to ship me a gift halfway around the world to where I am at now. LOL. Can't wait to see how this comes to fruition. The girl is cultured and doesn't want to be with anyone that she doesn't feel is cultured. Of course, your colleague Puta Playa is definitely cultured as you can see from his many elegant posts on licking ass of skanks in the low end casas of Rio, BBFS of low class provincial girls working n Manila and Jakarta, and having near-death experiences at the whims of those sadistic Tokyo dominatrix girls..haha. Rather, someone should take a culture from me..haha! Too ironic, a match made in heaven! But the proof is in my pudding, so I will report back early October after I score one for us! Courtesy Facebook...If this works out I would be amazed. This is my first attempt at non-pro in Rio, but all facts check. I guess time time spent on Pims and FSI Porto might be worthwhile after all? I get the hint that having pix of me in recognizable places other than Brasil helped too. As she mentions that I should not post more travelling pictures because she doesnt want other girls to be attracted and steal me. So I guess they like a multi-cultural salty dog aspect, I dont know...as I said, I don't know much about non-pros here. Up until this girl, I never tried civilians because everyone said it's nearly impossible for a gringo to interest a girl in the area.
And then she says she wants to ship me a gift halfway around the world to where I am at now. LOL. Can't wait to see how this comes to fruition. The girl is cultured and doesn't want to be with anyone that she doesn't feel is cultured. Of course, puta playa is definitely cultured as you can see from his many elegant post on DATA in Rio, BBFS in Phils, and Japanese dominatrix girls.haha.Sounds like you're having fun.
She wants to send you a gift? Sounds like she wants your address.
It turns out the girl is upper-middle class well-to-do and going to med school. Very sophisticated and feels like Puta Playa is just like her.
Good luck, PP.
Make sure you don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Make good connections with a few more girls before you go to Brazil.
I've never tried web-dating myself. No need for that if you spend several months in Brazil.
Some of my buddies have tried it. One buddy only web-dated Rio-girls and ended up with 100% p*tas. Another buddy dated a bunch of women all over Brazil. He ended upp getting laid with almost all of the women he dated.
(Note: The second buddy played very ugly. He gave the impression of being interested in a serious relationship, and then dumped them after getting laid. Not nice...)
Member #3439
08-18-11, 21:29
Sounds like you're having fun.
She wants to send you a gift? Sounds like she wants your address.Exatamente! I know I am playing with fire, and ignored the request. The girl is wicked smart, smarter than me for sure. My advantage is that any trick that she tries to get close to me, I have experienced before angry girls in Phils or Costa. When she hooked up with me, she needs to be real NSA and I will reciprocate and would never, ever expose her family to what I think she is doing behind their backs. But if she decides to start trying to attach her strings, all of them are loose. I know this game well, from the hard knocks unfortunately! Sometimes we guys do have an advantage. I know if this girl is slighted or pregnant, it's within her means to hunt me down like a dog, I protect accordingly.
Sperto,
i think the girl is a lonely heart because she expects too much. How many young guys in BR would look twice at at a girl who wants to go to the opera? Thinks funk and pagode are below her class. Her bar is too high., Too much for most Brasileiros. Pity them, I will take advantage and steal that good clean pussy. The girl is desperate, because if she accepts these guys she has to lower her standard. My game is like we are like a fine wine, you experience it in small amounts and savor it. It's not something you want or expect all the time like a can of Skol. I spend a short time in town infrequently., but am unlike any Brasileiro that I know. So my selling point is that I am the fine wine, and the Brasileiros are the cheap ass skol that gets you drunk but never feels special, :) Sorry, I have bad morals. But I do whatever it takes it get what I want...and at this point I feel like I need redemptiom from the mongering gods for being too young to pay for pussy in Rio, I have bought more pussy there than most visitors twice my age., due to being a big time safado So I am guilty. The only way to appease those gods is is to score high class non-pro. And I already have it locked down..easy..I am starting to feel good again about Brasil, like back when I first visited!!!!!!
If it works out, I am redeemed...haha. if not I keep trying. Like you said, I keep my options open. If she doesnt work out, I have others. But unfortunately they are not high class. I smell favelada in their IM's. But this higher class girl is truly needy, like she sucks up to me constantly, and panders to me promising that if I will be exclusive to her, she will fulfill all needs. She is about to turn 26, going up that hill of old maid!!! and either she has to accept the best option which is me the worldly gringo, or decides that she wants to lower her standard to date local yokels or 'the guys that like funk'..haha. I like it okay.!!!!
HungryStud101
08-19-11, 03:35
It turns out the girl is upper-middle class well-to-do and going to med school. Very sophisticated and feels like Puta Playa is just like her. Haha. I love it! Doesn't mind me not being there all the time, just wants this gentleman ho monger as a companion even short time periodically when he is town. Can we go to Teatro Muncipal/
So I am continuing the chat, in Porto of course, and emails with the girl, and she says I'm a gentleman and don't just want to talk about sex. So I said that yeah, but I expect tudo and want you to amaze me, which means not in my hotel. And then the response it that I like sex with people I like, and I ALREADY like you, so I am going to find someplace interesting for us to have sex. So basically if I was there today I would be balls deep in this girl on a beach somewhere near Rio, and the story gets better.
Nearly impossible for a gringo to interest a girl in the area.Does she hae any friends? Maybe we can double date?
Just in case you were not paying close attention, Brazil and the US has a signatory agreement in nearly all areas except of course entry visas (As in Waiver visa). Puta Playa, I know you scored big with this high class, sophisticated gal. However, when and if you hook up with such a gal, make sure all your official documents, papers, credit cards, airline tickets, bag tags on your baggage, basically, everything you own with any traceable information to yourself is not displayed for her to copy.
I can tell you, if she is as smart as I think she is, she maybe after YOU for something that she probably did before, ie, trying to pin you for a kid, something. It just sounds too familiar a scenario in which a girl you did not meet before tryies to pin a well to do, high income foreigner with something he had nothing to do with. Don't think that a DNA test will exonerate you either as someone I know is still going through and fighting as we speak. Just like in the US, its going to cost you more to get rid of this piece of ass than if you paid for it in advance. As it is been said before,"'What is cheap can end up costing you more in the long run".
If I were you I'd use cash, motels, and don't mention where you are staying when in Brazil. Bring nothing she could use to tell who you are, or track you down when back in the States, to include your main e-mail address. Just beware that these things do happen to good people and you don't want to be wasting your time and money trying to clear your name, in particular with these annoying international child support cases that can pop up out of the blue. Beware and watch youself.
If it works out, I am redeemed...haha. if not I keep trying. Like you said, I keep my options open. If she doesnt work out, I have others. But unfortunately they are not high class. I smell favelada in their IM's.
If it's only about sex I'm sure your d*ck wouldn't cry if you served him som sweet favelada-meat, that knows how to work their bodies, instead of a portion of shy upper-class Patricinha-p*ssy.
Member #3439
08-19-11, 19:55
Just in case you were not paying close attention, Brazil and the US has a signatory agreement in nearly all areas except of course entry visas (As in Waiver visa). Puta Playa, I know you scored big with this high class, sophisticated gal. However, when and if you hook up with such a gal, make sure all your official documents, papers, credit cards, airline tickets, bag tags on your baggage, basically, everything you own with any traceable information to yourself is not displayed for her to copy.Thanks for reminding me of that aspect. Since October it appears the agreements are officially in force for USA. Sucks. Hey, it doesn't stop at non-pros, maybe that is why Eric Cartman reports that they are taking his finger print at Monte Carlo..lol. Eric could have knocked up the whole staff by now.
Sperto.
No, it's about the adventure and meeting a local girl that is not a ho, for some real cultural experience and practicing Porto. No problem finding reasonably priced favelada fast foda, thanks to your efforts!
Sperto.
No, it's about the adventure and meeting a local girl that is not a ho, for some real cultural experience and practicing Porto. No problem finding reasonably priced favelada fast foda, thanks to your efforts!Yes, I understood that part about meeting non-pro's. I think that a favelada (I actually hate that word) can give you much more adventure, cultural experience and not at least better sex than a 25 year old upper class student living with her parents.
Date your Patricinha and have a few other dates as plan B. I never have any expectations when I date brazilian women, and therefore never get disappointed. A date with a brazilian girl you've never met in reality can mean anything. Instant nota 10 sex, or a boring preach how she's different from other brazilian women.
The good thing with brazilian friends are that they are happy to present their amigas. It's like passing all the security tests at the airport. As you're presented as a nice gringo,"almost brazilian", not like the other sex-hungry gringo-mongers (:D... if they only knew...) your accepted and the amigas will compete to catch the gringo. I've got plenty of brazilian friends and that have given me a good share of free p*ssy.
Just as amigas of my GF's, who normally have zero interest in gringos, can become wild when I present a gringo-friend of mine. I've brought some of my buddies out together with my GF and her amigas, and my buddies had the time of their life.
The point is: get brazilian friends.
Member #3439
08-21-11, 19:18
Date your Patricinha and have a few other dates as plan B.
In my experience so far, getting close to Rio Patricinha is sort of like a job interview for a high class company. All kinds of requirements that have nothing to do with your capabilities. Ranked in order of usefulness. This is based on about 3 that I have been communicating with, and 1 that I am already into if I was there today.
Must not be perceived as a tourist (don't be staying in Zona Sul..know Centro intimately!! You will be vetted hard on Centro geography!)
Must speak and write okay Portuguese (repeat this 3 times). Doesn't have to be perfect, for the cute gringo factor.
Must have certain degree of education
Must have certain prestige of job
Must be willing to provide BFE on the street
Must be willing to provide 'make love' in the bed
Must be able to speak of the culture and unique characteristics of Brasil.
Must hold forro, funk and pagode in high contempt...this is a constant.
Must be able to speak of many countries and cultures
Must be willing to go away when she is done with you because she is too busy for BF.
Not worth the time for those just seeking free ass. But I have different motivations, so I am having fun with this so far, slowly working 1 into gringo-wild, as Sperto mentions, really with with things that have nothing to do with fuck.
In my experience so far, getting close to Rio Patricinha is sort of like a job interview for a high class company.Getting close to a rich upper class girl in Brazil is not a piece of cake. I wish you good luck, PP.
I prefer an average non-pro girl that studies or work. When I studied at PUC I got my share of Patricinhas. It was good and fun, but nothing I miss.
There's one exception I've come across, though not quite the class of girl you mean. My former wingman was shacked up for a while with a girl in Ipanema who lived off the alimony of a poor dumb f*ck from Scandinavia. She was doing so well off it, she would hardly let him pay for anything. Eventually he got bored and dumped her for a teacher. Ordinary teachers (not posh school teachers) are reasonably approachable. His advantage was that he was living there. At least till he had to go back to BsAs every so often to renew his fecking visa. And his porto wasn't even as good as mine (which is more survival level than anything I can converse fluently to academics in when doing research in Brasil). I'd say he ticked all of the rest of PP's boxes though. Plus he had a charm that could have sold ice wholesale to eskimos. Totally fearless in chatting up strangers and with an incredible magnetism.
Member #3439
08-24-11, 17:19
There's one exception I've come across, though not quite the class of girl you mean. My former wingman was shacked up for a while with a girl in Ipanema who lived off the alimony of a poor dumb f*ck from Scandinavia. She was doing so well off it, she would hardly let him pay for anything. Eventually he got bored and dumped her for a teacher. Ordinary teachers (not posh school teachers) are reasonably approachable.
And his porto wasn't even as good as mine (which is more survival level than anything I can converse fluently to academics in when doing research in Brasil). I'd say he ticked all of the rest of PP's boxes though. Plus he had a charm that could have sold ice wholesale to eskimos. Totally fearless in chatting up strangers and with an incredible magnetism.Ha, school teachers anywhere are good for kicks.
As for totally fearless:
I usual travel for work with guys that are way over the hill and mostly not good looking. Some have been expat for years all over, or just traveling for decades and learn things. Some are wicked players despite having all odds stacked against them. They find freebs in every country we got to, and do it by acting really culturally ignorant and crass. I feel totally uncomfortable being near when they run their game. Think Borat, with a hardon. They must be so goofy that they must be adorable or something. Or such bold jerks that the girls think there must be something special about them, that's not immediately apparent. Sometimes they get bitten by a piranha, but mostly it's NSA freebs and decent looking, cause they only approach younger well dressed women, everywhere, all the time, in huge numbers and do not care about wasting time on 99% or about embarrasing people around them.
For example, in Rio, running the same game as elsewhere, they would go up to a girl and say:
Him: Hello, do you speak English.
Her: mm yes, um puoco. E muito dificil para mim. Hard. Haha. Yes a little.
Him: What kind of English is that, you told me you speak English. (under breath and looking away) what the fuck...
Her: nao, nao..a little. Haha.
Him: Well why are you speaking Spanish at me. I can't do this, forget it.
Her: Nao, nao, nao. Portugues..Okay, you test me, eu try you.
And so forth
This probably wouldn't actually work in Rio, because they are used to gringo jerks and local jerks, but I am just illustrating the one facet of the fact that you mentioned, language isn't really required if you just want to bang and are willing. There apparently are other ways.
PutaP. Delete some messages man. I tried to reply to your PM but your box is overflowing with old tales of pussyhunting. They'll be collecting smeg. Your box has exceeded the limit so you can't receive PMs till you empty some of the old ones out. Cheers, C.
Member #3439
08-25-11, 19:23
Apparently, don't be too regular in your communications, or ask too many questions. This medical school NP is a sure-bang, and very clear about that, but I had the wrong idea of keeping her engaged until I get there. Emails in Porto at regular intervals every other day like clockwork, asking basic personal questions and the 5-whys just to get inside her head and vet it fully. It is being taken wrong. LOL.
Apparently not used to this, and taking this is me trying to work into something more. Next thing I know, she has called 30 Centro apartmentos for me, and taken it upon herself to visit and take pictures of places on her way to class. Sends pictures of her and apartments every day. Now is determined to camp at my place every night "quero conversar, quero brincar, quero carinhos, quero tudo" I told her I liked a certain apartmento, which was listed at R100/dia. Then she went and talked the owner into R90, and instead of 50% reservation deposit, she negotiated no deposit rental a month in advance, I could pay on arrival...
Now sending me Portuguese romance mp3s , accompanied by written lyrics in Porto and English. Apparently hand translated to English, due to 85% perfect written English on a line below each Portuguese line. Wants to go to Penedo. Throw a ho monger a life buoy, gents. LOL. Already told her to keep it simple, not a chance of anything more than friends with benefits, and all the reasons. Doesn't listen or care.
I am sure she has the pot on the stove and is ready to boil the bunny! The follow up report after you meet her is going to be hilarious. I am thinking the last sentence of your report will be,"I had to move out of my room to the other side of town, because she was stalking me 24/7". Oh well the crazy ones are always the best in bed!
Member #3439
08-28-11, 07:52
I am sure she has the pot on the stove and is ready to boil the bunny! The follow up report after you meet her is going to be hilarious. I am thinking the last sentence of your report will be,"I had to move out of my room to the other side of town, because she was stalking me 24/7". Oh well the crazy ones are always the best in bed!One good thing about a girl with a professional job, is that she cannot just walk away from work and do that.
I always wonder about hunting for married girls and the tactics for that. They cannot bother you at night! Does anyone hunt for married girls, for example at Barra Shopping? There are many, many from Sao Paulo online, but apparently in Rio the horny wives do something other than chat men all day online.
I always wonder about hunting for married girls and the tactics for that. They cannot bother you at night! Does anyone hunt for married girls, for example at Barra Shopping? There are many, many from Sao Paulo online, but apparently in Rio the horny wives do something other than chat men all day online.
Be careful when meeting married women.
I met a girl working in one of the shops at the Shopping Santa Clara 33. Beautiful, fun and with a sexy body. She was married.
We had a relationship during three weeks. The relationship consisted of meeting three times/week after she finished her work in the afternoon. As she had to get home in reasonable time our meetings were just about sex. One or two quickies and then she had to leave. It suited me just fine. No obligations, no money involved and no need for taking her out to fancy restaurants. As she told me her husband was an real a**-hole who cheated on her with his secretary I felt no remorse.
I regularly passed the shop where she was working (once we had a superquick f*ck in the stockroom when a customer entered the shop. :D). The girls working in the neighbouring shops soon knew what was going on. They just smiled every time I turned up and seemed fine knowing what was going on. However there were always a risk that one of the girls would tell the wrong people and letting her husband know that he was a corno. There was also a risk that a friend of her husband would see us walking together in the streets or seeing her enter my apartment building.
If her husband would have found out what was going on he would certainly have beaten her up and propably tried to find the gringo who f*cked his wife, which could lead to very unpleasantly consequences.
Member #3439
08-28-11, 20:01
Be careful when meeting married women.
If her husband would have found out what was going on he would certainly have beaten her up and propably tried to find the gringo who f*cked his wife, which could lead to very unpleasantly consequences.I understand. Using pro to illustrate your concept that applies to any married girl. I was fucking a mid-20s girl at T502 in February. Very sensual, GFE and on the cusp of BBFS after session 2. I was vetting her to see if I should ask her back to Ibis for TLN. During this process, I got her to tell me her life. And she told me she was a married girl, and telling her husband that she worked as a telefonista in RJ on night shift instead of being a ho at T502. I said, okay, I understand. I am safado too. Then she said yes, and he would shoot me in the head if he knew what I was doing here. I asked, veridade? She said yes he would literally come in T502 and kill us both if he knew we were there in that cabine fucking. So, wow, playing with fire. But I know married pussy is the best due to their experience, need and cleanliness. I would enjoy in RJ if I can find it.
Eric Cartman
11-13-11, 19:00
Wow, I just had a horrible first meet with a chick from Brazil cupid. We'll call her Pam. 22 whyear old Mulatta. Studying to be a dentist or dental hygenist. Says it is a 4-year program. She's in her first year.
Exchanged a few emails with her, offered here a meeting on Sunday. Lunch, coffee, drinks, etc. She chose lunch. I've learned enough about internet dating that I always suggest somewhere I like close to my apartment or work. For lunch on a Sunday, I like this hip little cafe La Fiducia on R. Duvivier about 1/2 block from the beach in Copa. It's close to Cardeal Arcoverde metro.
I show up and she's beat me to the place by 3 minutes. We grab a table outside and I ask if she wants anything to eat or drink. She says no. I'm like, are you sure? The food's really good and the coffee is great. She still says no. She asks if we can go for a walk along the beach. I say, well, I want a coffee first. While I drink my espresso, I try to chat with her and she is just *quiet. Seriously like zero personality and no ability to make small talk. I'm ready to shoot myself. But I want to play through so I go walk with her along the beach. Her biggest observations are: (1) you're not 35 are you (no, I'm 41 but everyone says I look mid-30s, jeez) ; (2) you're not 175cm tall are you (I don't know, I'm 5'8" or so) ; and (3) why haven't you been married yet at your advanced age.
She's never been outside Rio. She wants to go to London because she loves Prince William. She lives near Caxias. With her mom and sister. She likes to go dancing at night but doesn't have any money because she's a student.
We finish our walk, and I ask her if she's going back to the metro. She's like, why are you sending me away? I'm like, well, we met, talked for an hour, I have to go do some work today. Fuck I wanted to get out of there as fast as I could. It's like talking to a wall. This chick literally had ZERO to offer. No personality, no jokes, no humor, no experience, and she's not even that cute. We are talking a night-and-day difference from talking to a Terma girl. At least those chicks are animated and fun. Even the ones I've gotten to know outside of T's, we hang out and I can talk to them all day. This was horrible. And I've been on some bad internet dates in the US.
Meh.
-Cartman
Albert Punter
11-14-11, 01:11
It happened same to me when I was in China.
Sometimes I had met some girls like the one you met here.
At the end I made the proposal only to the cute ones to have sex together and few times they had accepted (probably because of their attitude they didn't have many chances and were in need ...). For me it was al least a reward for the very poor evening/night. In bed they were regular too, but physical need was satisfied.
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This chick literally had ZERO to offer. No personality, no jokes, no humor, no experience, and she's not even that cute.
-Cartman
I notice that Brazilian women don't mind an older man, the girls that hit on me were still in their 20's, young enough to be my daughters.Ever since I started to learn a little Portuguese opportunities like this have opened up to me. In the past 9 years I have had my fair share of 25 year olds. Out of curiosity I would ask them why aren't they with a younger man, various answers were younger guys are foolish, they think only about their cars or having many girlfriends, or they ask the girl to pay for the date, they are deceptive, this one I love: They Cum too fast. Ok so the years pass by fast and I felt my years of getting 25 year olds was going to be over but recently I was in Facebook and a picture pops up and says Add as friend. I take a look at her page, these Brazilian girls are sexy, pictures of her at the pool, posing with a skirt on, cheesecake shots. I said to myself wow this would be a dream. I click add she says OK.
Weeks go by no interaction, then one day I see her on-line and I say Hello, we chat for an hour, Brazilian girls are so easy to talk to. We become friendly, she asks me my age, well I shave off a good amount of years and It's still high and she says that, she is 24 and tells me age is not important and I am muito legal then asks me if I like young girls? LOL.
That was a month ago now we have video sessions almost daily, some when she is in the office and some when she wakes up in the morning with barely any clothes on telling me everything is real that I see and when I get to Brasil it's all mine to do what I want with.
You got to love these girls, I have a son her age and I told her. This girl does not come from a poor family and I love how they are always thanking God in one sentence and then the next sentence how she is going to tomar all my leite.
We'll see what happens, I will be in Rio early next year, I have squashed situations like this before, if she wants to be serious it's a no go if she just wants to have fun with a Muito Legal gringo who will pay for the date and take forever to cum then I'm all hers.
When I was in Rio last my steady girl that I take to 2A2 told me on my last day that she is starting to fall for me, Oh boy, when was that when you had that other guys Pau in your mouth?
Got to love these girls, Thats why I keep going back going on 32 years now.
Making Moves
01-08-12, 21:47
Hi all,
I only just discovered this forum about a week ago and have read here and there, mainly was in the pro section till I saw this section, this is up my alley cause I do not have money to entertain pros.
I'm going to Brasil for the first time, zero portuguese even tho my girl of almost 4 years was Portuguese.
I would like to go to this kind of places.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1iZf_GE04A&feature=related
And if possible score a chick, if not no big deal, but how do I even find the name to that club? I asked someone a Brasilian DJ but he said he didn't know and that Furucao200 is like a promotional night and they play everywhere, I was thinking of writing them on Youtube to ask where they would be performing the weekends I'm there, if someone that writes portuguese could help me write "Hello, I'd like to know the address of where you'll be performing on 11 Feb 2012". Thanks.
I'll be staying in Copa but a chick I met in a travel website that lived in London before said I could come stay with her in Nova iguaçyou city, she doesn't club but she said her sister and friends would take me out, her sis lives in London but she's there now and going back to London in March, after reading the pages here it seems Copa is the wrong place to stay if I want to make a not so greedy chick, simple truth is, I'm a student and can't afford a demanding chick or pay me to fuck, so would you guys say Nova iguaçyou city is a good place to be? She told me her place is not all that but I don't care, I'd rather be with there than a tourist area. This will be at the tail end of my trip since I already paid for the Copa place.
What clubs can I go from Thursday-Sunday night to chill, hang out talk to regular chicks, like students and maybe young professionals and not Hoefessionals looking for me to pay.
There are a few background info but don't want to bore you guys down. I look forward to any advice, thanks.
A few thoughts. .
If it's in Itaborai as I think the video suggested, that is a hell of a way out of Rio. You might as well download Bubba's Guide if you haven't done so and look at the regular clubs he lists. As for Nova Iguaçyou, it's in the city limits but about an hour's drive from Copa. You might want to have a look at google maps and get an idea of the size of the city. There are non-touristy places (relatively speaking) that aren't so far off the beaten track. But if she's reliable and it's saving you rent and you are very keen on her offer then you might want to go for it. Just work out what's involved, because you are not likely to be partying in what is commonly understood as Rio if you are away out there, even though you might well have a great time. Most people in your shoes might think about going to clubs in Lapa, easy to get to, great music (and a wide selection of tastes) , cheap beer, lots of regular Brasilian girls. It would cost you a lot less to stay there than Copa, but you are also within easy reach of many interesting and lively areas. Lapa is not that far if you want to check it out while still staying in Copa: but a Lapa address is much better street cred (if you are after ordinary girls) than Copa (which is monger city).
Have fun, whatever you decide to do!
Hi all,
I only just discovered this forum about a week ago and have read here and there, mainly was in the pro section till I saw this section, this is up my alley cause I do not have money to entertain pros.
I'm going to Brasil for the first time, zero portuguese even tho my girl of almost 4 years was Portuguese.
I would like to go to this kind of places.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1iZf_GE04A&feature=related
And if possible score a chick, if not no big deal, but how do I even find the name to that club? I asked someone a Brasilian DJ but he said he didn't know and that Furucao200 is like a promotional night and they play everywhere, I was thinking of writing them on Youtube to ask where they would be performing the weekends I'm there, if someone that writes portuguese could help me write "Hello, I'd like to know the address of where you'll be performing on 11 Feb 2012". Thanks.
I'll be staying in Copa but a chick I met in a travel website that lived in London before said I could come stay with her in Nova iguaçyou city, she doesn't club but she said her sister and friends would take me out, her sis lives in London but she's there now and going back to London in March, after reading the pages here it seems Copa is the wrong place to stay if I want to make a not so greedy chick, simple truth is, I'm a student and can't afford a demanding chick or pay me to fuck, so would you guys say Nova iguaçyou city is a good place to be? She told me her place is not all that but I don't care, I'd rather be with there than a tourist area. This will be at the tail end of my trip since I already paid for the Copa place.
What clubs can I go from Thursday-Sunday night to chill, hang out talk to regular chicks, like students and maybe young professionals and not Hoefessionals looking for me to pay.
There are a few background info but don't want to bore you guys down. I look forward to any advice, thanks.
Mr Enternational
01-09-12, 00:06
Hi all,
I only just discovered this forum about a week ago and have read here and there, mainly was in the pro section till I saw this section, this is up my alley cause I do not have money to entertain pros.
I'm going to Brasil for the first time, zero portuguese even tho my girl of almost 4 years was Portuguese.
I would like to go to this kind of places.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1iZf_GE04A&feature=related
And if possible score a chick, if not no big deal, but how do I even find the name to that club?
I'll be staying in Copa but a chick I met in a travel website that lived in London before said I could come stay with her in Nova iguaçyou city, , I'm a student and can't afford a demanding chick or pay me to fuck, so would you guys say Nova iguaçyou city is a good place to be? She told me her place is not all that but I don't care, I'd rather be with there than a tourist area. This will be at the tail end of my trip since I already paid for the Copa place.
What clubs can I go from Thursday-Sunday night to chill, hang out talk to regular chicks, like students and maybe young professionals and not Hoefessionals looking for me to pay.
There are a few background info but don't want to bore you guys down. I look forward to any advice, thanks.Abort, Abort. That country does not exist. If you look at the bottom of this map
http://maps.google.com/maps?rlz=1C1C...427&q=itaborai+Rio+de+janeiro&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x99bfe0669a4399:0x95d73b2c838e0ee8,%20Itabora%C3%AD+-+Rio+de+Janeiro,%20+Brazil&gl=us&ei=aB4KT_a1IImUtweYicybDA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q8gEwAA
you will see Copacabana. If you look northwest of that you will see Nova Iguacu in the middle of Bum Fuck Egypt. And if you look far far east of that on the other side of the bay and still farther again you will see Itaborai, the place that club is located, in the middle of No Fucking Where.
And how do you plan on talking to regular chicks (won't even ask about scoring) if you do not speak Portuguese? And if you even attempted to take one of them out you would have been better off paying some chick. Maybe you missed the place on this board where it says,"Free pussy costs the most."
By the way: "Hello, I'd like to know the address of where you'll be performing on 11 Feb 2012". Thanks. = Oi. Onde vc vai estar tocando no 11 de fev? Obrigado.
Making Moves
01-09-12, 02:04
And how do you plan on talking to regular chicks (won't even ask about scoring) if you do not speak Portuguese? And if you even attempted to take one of them out you would have been better off paying some chick. Maybe you missed the place on this board where it says,"Free pussy costs the most."
By the way: "Hello, I'd like to know the address of where you'll be performing on 11 Feb 2012". Thanks. = Oi. Onde vc vai estar tocando no 11 de fev? Obrigado.Thanks for your reply.lol@Free Pussy cost the most, actually I'm hoping regular chicks know a little English like the chick that offered for me to come Nova Iguaca. I'll definitely be missing out on a lot of potentials not speaking the language. Wow if it's that far (club) , forget it, the chicks are just hot.
A few thoughts. .
If it's in Itaborai as I think the video suggested, that is a hell of a way out of Rio. You might as well download Bubba's Guide if you haven't done so and look at the regular clubs he lists. As for Nova Iguaçyou, it's in the city limits but about an hour's drive from Copa. You might want to have a look at google maps and get an idea of the size of the city. There are non-touristy places (relatively speaking) that aren't so far off the beaten track. But if she's reliable and it's saving you rent and you are very keen on her offer then you might want to go for it. Just work out what's involved, because you are not likely to be partying in what is commonly understood as Rio if you are away out there, even though you might well have a great time. Most people in your shoes might think about going to clubs in Lapa, easy to get to, great music (and a wide selection of tastes) , cheap beer, lots of regular Brasilian girls. It would cost you a lot less to stay there than Copa, but you are also within easy reach of many interesting and lively areas. Lapa is not that far if you want to check it out while still staying in Copa: but a Lapa address is much better street cred (if you are after ordinary girls) than Copa (which is monger city).
Have fun, whatever you decide to do!Thanks for your reply too. I'l be in Copa for 2 weeks and party / train and at the end just go and chill in her place / town and get to see some other side that ain't so touristy. I'll be hanging out in Lapa I guess and haven't downloaded his guide cause I thought it was for places you get pros from but I will do that now.
Mr Ent, you crack me up and tears are rolling down my face. :rofl: :rofl:
I've heard there's a good sucos bar with some nice chicks in a place called Campost. Maybe we should go there one night from Copa. What do you think? It's def in Brazil - can't be far . . .
Need some advice on how to go about this. I get emails from an agency I have never used. I was impressed with one of the girls pics they sent me and it had her name in a pic so I googled it and found her on facebook with her email contact. If I go through the agency and meet her she would see me only as a client. I don't have a facebook account so I'm not sure how I should contact her if I send her an email.
Eric Cartman
01-10-12, 01:14
Need some advice on how to go about this. I get emails from an agency I have never used. I was impressed with one of the girls pics they sent me and it had her name in a pic so I googled it and found her on facebook with her email contact. If I go through the agency and meet her she would see me only as a client. I don't have a facebook account so I'm not sure how I should contact her if I send her an email.Make a Facebook account? It's the new Orkut down here.
Exec Talent
01-15-12, 19:59
Wow. It has been one hell of a week on the non-pro front. Lapa, Lagoa and one sure fire place to find and score with an unbelievable number of non-pros. I am putting together a guide for you Rio regulars. Just trying to come up with the best way to distribute it. Bring your condoms and your smile!
Exec Talent
01-25-12, 15:53
Just got back from a few days in Paraty and between the locals and foreigners, there was a wide variety of very friendly women. Unfortunately, the only love motel is about 15 minutes from downtown.
Just got back from a few days in Paraty and between the locals and foreigners, there was a wide variety of very friendly women. Unfortunately, the only love motel is about 15 minutes from downtown.Hello, Exec Talent! Nice to hear from you!
I was in Paraty a few months ago, and I did not see many opportunities. Maybe it was because of my girlfriend, she needed attention, so I could not lookout for other women.
Would you mind sharing with us your technique for scoring non pros in Lapa?
Kind regards.
Hi all,
I only just discovered this forum about a week ago and have read here and there, mainly was in the pro section till I saw this section, this is up my alley cause I do not have money to entertain pros.
I'm going to Brasil for the first time, zero portuguese even tho my girl of almost 4 years was Portuguese.
I would like to go to this kind of places.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1iZf_GE04A&feature=related
And if possible score a chick, if not no big deal, but how do I even find the name to that club? I asked someone a Brasilian DJ but he said he didn't know and that Furucao200 is like a promotional night and they play everywhere, I was thinking of writing them on Youtube to ask where they would be performing the weekends I'm there, if someone that writes portuguese could help me write "Hello, I'd like to know the address of where you'll be performing on 11 Feb 2012". Thanks.
I'll be staying in Copa but a chick I met in a travel website that lived in London before said I could come stay with her in Nova iguaçyou city, she doesn't club but she said her sister and friends would take me out, her sis lives in London but she's there now and going back to London in March, after reading the pages here it seems Copa is the wrong place to stay if I want to make a not so greedy chick, simple truth is, I'm a student and can't afford a demanding chick or pay me to fuck, so would you guys say Nova iguaçyou city is a good place to be? She told me her place is not all that but I don't care, I'd rather be with there than a tourist area. This will be at the tail end of my trip since I already paid for the Copa place.
What clubs can I go from Thursday-Sunday night to chill, hang out talk to regular chicks, like students and maybe young professionals and not Hoefessionals looking for me to pay.
There are a few background info but don't want to bore you guys down. I look forward to any advice, thanks.Nova Iguaçu is an OK and safe place, but if you speak no Portuguese, then you have zero chance.
There is 90% chance that your Brazilian girl is legit, but there is 10% chance that she is a crook, and out to rob you and kill you. If you do not know her well, then do NOT take the chance. Murders for very small sums of money are commonplace in Brazil.
Nova Iguaçu is far out of Rio (1 hour drive) , and it is an unsophisticated, low to medium social class. In the dance venues, music is usually the low quality rap music, really awful.
Sometimes, there are bands of thugs and drug dealers that come to rough up the dance venues coming from Belford Roxo (a very very bad place).
If you want to have fun in Rio, you'd better go to Lapa!
Making Moves
01-27-12, 19:40
Nova Iguaçyou is an OK and safe place, but if you speak no Portuguese, then you have zero chance.
There is 90% chance that your Brazilian girl is legit, but there is 10% chance that she is a crook, and out to rob you and kill you. If you do not know her well, then do NOT take the chance. Murders for very small sums of money are commonplace in Brazil.
Nova Iguaçyou is far out of Rio (1 hour drive) , and it is an unsophisticated, low to medium social class. In the dance venues, music is usually the low quality rap music, really awful.
Sometimes, there are bands of thugs and drug dealers that come to rough up the dance venues coming from Belford Roxo (a very very bad place).
If you want to have fun in Rio, you'd better go to Lapa!Oh I didn't plan on clubbing out there, just spending a couple of days in another part of town, Shit she knows I'm a broke student, they sure won't be getting thousands out of me, unless theyjust want to drink a tourist's blood for the hell of it. Thanks for your advice. She told me only her and her sis speak English there.
Eric Cartman
01-28-12, 20:59
Wow. It has been one hell of a week on the non-pro front. Lapa, Lagoa and one sure fire place to find and score with an unbelievable number of non-pros. I am putting together a guide for you Rio regulars. Just trying to come up with the best way to distribute it. Bring your condoms and your smile!Post it here like Bubba does with the Bubba Guide!
Shit she knows I'm a broke student, they sure won't be getting thousands out of me,Maybe 1 thousand, and not from you, but your family. Very common in Rio to kidnap someone, call the family and make a ransom demand. Careful where you thread.
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