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01-01-07, 01:00
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Pipe Layer99
12-27-07, 07:06
OK Gents, the new thread is up and running.
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Biruta
12-27-07, 10:20
Married for 17 years with a brazilian "normal" girl and being married previously to an English, I can tell you they make the best companion in the world.

I know quite few men who married to brazilian and they are ALL very happy.

I knew one who married a GDP but that was another story, while being nice to him she was still sleeping around.

The Watcher
12-27-07, 21:33
OK Gents, the new thread is up and running.
Let the conversations Begin! DD

Is it possible to place the old reports on non-pros in this thread? Let me rephrase - is it easy and simple to put the old reports in this thread?

Thanos
12-27-07, 22:08
All of the normal brazilian girls that I've dealt with and the one I've been seeing now for the last three years have been fun, cool girls. Brazilian women are no different from other women in that they want a man they can respect and they want to be respected. This sounds like a simple task but its easier said than done when the itch to go to Help or do a termas run hits you and she wants to sit home and watch videos. One of the major differences in dealing with brazilian women vs american women is the period leading up to the actual relationship. Once she accepts you, you're in and you'll have a companion that will stand with you through anything but getting her to accept you is the tricky phase. Remember this: in brazil we are all mongers til proven otherwise and no self respecting normal girl wants to be associated with a monger unless she's looking for a sponsor or a sugar daddy because everyone will then assume she's a GDP. So if you have your eye on one of the Duty Free girls who sees you go in and out of Rio every few months you can be sure she's got you pegged as a monger. If she doesn't care that you hang at pataca or that you go to help she probably doesn't care period. Another point to remember is that normal rules of attraction apply with normal girls. Whereas GDPs accept us whether we are old, fat, skinny, bald, hunchbacked, crippled, or stinky normal women tend to hold men to higher standards. Yes we see alot of brazilian couples where the guy looks twice the womans age and those guys are supporting that arm candy. It especially holds true for gringoes who are all presumed to be rich anyway. All in all dealing with normal brazilians presents the same joys and headaches as dealing with other regular girls. Depending on how far you want to take it is determined by how much of your mongering time you're willing to sacrifice for the sake of normalcy.

Hitmanm3
12-27-07, 22:40
Married for 17 years with a brazilian "normal" girl and being married previously to an English, I can tell you they make the best companion in the world.

I know quite few men who married to brazilian and they are ALL very happy.

I knew one who married a GDP but that was another story, while being nice to him she was still sleeping around.Why is that? GDP have a habit of ruining the opportunities that are given to them. Most of the threads that I haved read of guys giving them a chance to start over, the girl always end up back to Rio doing what they where runing away from. Is it the money? . The lifestyle? . That draws them back? I would love to hear from a true life experience.

Thanos
12-28-07, 07:25
Why is that? GDP have a habit of ruining the opportunities that are given to them. Most of the threads that I haved read of guys giving them a chance to start over, the girl always end up back to Rio doing what they where runing away from. Is it the money? . The lifestyle? . That draws them back? I would love to hear from a true life experience.The fact is that the majority of gdps don't want a chance to start over. The lie that they hate what they do and they want to live normal lives is one of the biggest crocks of bs that the girls lay out for guys to believe. Any one of the pataca or Help girls could stop programa tomorrow and find a job working as a waitress or in Rio sul. But of course they won't because they are waiting for some rich american to shower them with money. They may tell guys that they want out but the reality of it is they are just using the guys and most guys fall for it figuring; poor brazilian girl. "just let me sprinkle some money on her and I'll have a hot brazilian nympho wife for the rest of my life. " a wise old brazilian once told me; " Putas never stop working. They just take a vacation. " they live like royalty. Sleep all day. Lay on the beach. Party all night. Get paid to have sex at a ridiculiously inflated rate in comparison to the normal brazilian income. Guys pay for their food, clothes, phones and in some cases their apartments and the homes their mothers live in as well as buy them cars, appliances and pay their way to fly all over the world. Why would they give that up to be a housewife? Only a very few select gdps really want to escape from brazil and half of them only want to come to america to do the same thing but only at a higher rate. There are at least 20 girls; probably more who are married to americans and every time they"visit their mothers" run straight to Help. I recently talked to some girls who are married to guys in the states. When the rumor floated around that america may waive visas for brazilians (doubt it) the first thing the girls said was that if it happened they would get divorced. Is it the money? The lifestyle? Or is it the fact that they don't really care for the guys in the first place. All of those elements play a factor.

Pipe Layer99
12-28-07, 09:59
Garota thread - remember!

Thanos
12-28-07, 18:32
Garota thread - remember!Sorry. i digressed into one of my dennis miller rants.

Even with normal girls economics and race play a factor. A waitress making minimum wage in copa will give a foreigner play before a girl in Barra will because he represents a pathway to her doing some things that she might never get to do otherwise. most guys who have been to Nuth or Club Ceasar in Barra will tell you that brothers get no love with the upper middle class/wealthy girls(all white). girls in places like lapa are more down to earth and willing to share a beer and a table. outside of termas cancun on a friday night is a great place to meet non-pros. just be prepared to box up everything you know about gdps and sit it in a corner of your brain because its a whole new ballgame with true non-pros. be prepared for some rejection. some dirty looks. maybe even a no,no,no finger wave. get ready for a possible sexless date or even a double date like when a girl showed up at a friends apartment for their first date with her mother!!! I make that distinction because there are alot of quasi non-pros lurking around. quasi non-pros don't do Help or Pataca or even work in a termas. they may even have a regular job but they are 100% gold digger and will drain the money out of a guys bank account faster than you can say ,OI!! Like one poster said"regular girls are every monger's fantasy" and these girls know that and will use it for everything from school books to rent to even the occassional vacation.

There's no mystery to non-pros. if they like what they see they'll go out with you. after that its just a normal relationship.

Leblon
12-28-07, 21:41
I had three different long relationships with normal Brasilean family girls. They all seemed so nice and friendly in beginning, but at the end they were neurotic, obsessive and too jealous. Maybe they show their true nature only after they think that they have got guy hooked?

Of course big problem with these relationships was that I am typical member of this forum: whenever possible, I cheated them with prostitutes. So maybe that was reason why they got neurotic, obsessive and jealous ? (Actually, I had two of these long relationships same time, girls just were in different citys).

But seriously, my experience of these family girls is that however nice they are in beginning, they have Latino temper. When they get angry, there is no limit what they can do: property is broken, and they try to throw/hit you whatever they got in their hands, including kitchen knives.

But maybe it is just me ?? Everybody get girlfriend which they deserve.

Ryjerrob
12-28-07, 22:32
I've been here in Rio for about 2 weeks, with another 2 weeks to go. I've been in an apt. in Laranjerias, and it's great. Across the street from my apt last Saturday night several of the neighborhood Samba Bands were playing for the local crowd. I was sharing a table with this guy, and we chatted a little in English and Portuguese. This girl was selling shirts for her band to raise proceeds, and in an attempt to get some play, I bought 2 for R$25. Of course I got no where with her.

About 10 minutes later I see this other girl dancing alone, and she wanted to share our table, no biggie. She spoke no English, but I managed to communicate pretty good. After about an hour of drinking beer in the rain, the music stopped, and it was time to go. I originally thought she might want to go for another drink at one of the local places. I needed to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) first, and didn't want to get busted doing it in public.

So once in the apt, I pissed, and we went into my room so I could change shoes. We kissed a little and the rest as they say, is history. It was a great 2 hours of sex. She was more freaky than I expected. She let me do anything I wanted. I think I was only successful with her was because I was able to communicate with her. I consider myself an average looking person, and it usually works for me. At no point did I appear to be a monger, as far as I can tell. Then again, you don't see too many mongers so far away from Help Central, generally speaking.

I mentioned in another thread that I was taking an intermediate Portuguese class for college credit. Well, for me it's a lot easier knowing how to conjugate verbs correctly than just listening to to cd's. So today, after class, I was hanging around with a few other students, when this woman in a nice fitting red dress walks up the stairs to the reception desk. I noticed her, but didn't think much about it.

After about 10 minutes she says to me that she remembers me. I was lost. Oh shit!!! So many things were running through my mind. She then started talking about shirts, and I was even more clueless. Come to find out, this was the same girl that blew me off on the previous Saturday. But now, she was treating me different, like a person. Well, she ended up giving me her number, and asking me out. Maybe she was tired, or in a mood before, but she had a different attitude today. It was nice.

I have been very successful with meeting local women, but on all occasions, away from the traditional mongering areas. I really believe that being able to communicate has a lot to do with it. And for me, it's not about any type of conquest. I just get tired of hanging at Help, TA, MP, and other similar places every night. In fact, for me, I've discovered something new this trip.

Am I looking for a long distance relationship, not really. Would I get involved with one, maybe. Like a few other have said elsewhere, Mr. E/Sperto, what you want is an honest woman, that's it. If you're in it to prove a point, well, more power to you. You'll only end up screwing some woman over and reinforcing whatever negative opinion that she has of men in general. And if you're really only learning Portuguese for that purpose, then you're missing out on so many other opportunities.

GDP's or non-pros, you pay for it one way or the other anyway.

ryjer

Bravo
12-28-07, 22:33
The fact is that the majority of gdps don't want a chance to start over. The lie that they hate what they do and they want to live normal lives is one of the biggest crocks of bs that the girls lay out for guys to believe. Any one of the pataca or Help girls could stop programa tomorrow and find a job working as a waitress or in Rio sul. But of course they won't because they are waiting for some rich american to shower them with money. They may tell guys that they want out but the reality of it is they are just using the guys and most guys fall for it figuring; poor brazilian girl. "just let me sprinkle some money on her and I'll have a hot brazilian nympho wife for the rest of my life. " a wise old brazilian once told me; " Putas never stop working. They just take a vacation. " they live like royalty. Sleep all day. Lay on the beach. Party all night. Get paid to have sex at a ridiculiously inflated rate in comparison to the normal brazilian income. Guys pay for their food, clothes, phones and in some cases their apartments and the homes their mothers live in as well as buy them cars, appliances and pay their way to fly all over the world. Why would they give that up to be a housewife? Only a very few select gdps really want to escape from brazil and half of them only want to come to america to do the same thing but only at a higher rate. There are at least 20 girls; probably more who are married to americans and every time they"visit their mothers" run straight to Help. I recently talked to some girls who are married to guys in the states. When the rumor floated around that america may waive visas for brazilians (doubt it) the first thing the girls said was that if it happened they would get divorced. Is it the money? The lifestyle? Or is it the fact that they don't really care for the guys in the first place. All of those elements play a factor.

WOW!! This is the best fucking post on this subject that I have ever read!! Outstanding job Thanos!! This should be mandatory reading for all mongers before they are granted visas to Brasil! I agree with you 100%. Once the girls get over the psychological hurdle of having sex with a stranger, they will never be the same again.

Thanos
12-28-07, 23:46
Ryjerrob,

Since you're staying in Laranjerias check out the Hide-away club. Full of non-pros and with great pizza.

Jesuscola
12-29-07, 01:02
WOW!! This is the best fucking post on this subject that I have ever read!! Outstanding job Thanos!! This should be mandatory reading for all mongers before they are granted visas to Brasil! I agree with you 100%. Once the girls get over the psychological hurdle of having sex with a stranger, they will never be the same again.

Honestly, I think it's the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever read. The one girl who loved to maintain to her clients that she just couldn't live without strange dick was Bia of Luomo. And she's currently pregnant by the first guy willing to marry her and take her off the program. Has she been out for the last year because she loves strange cock?

Guys who like to believe this type of shit are the same guys who love to tell you, "I don't even care to talk to women in the US anymore...They don't even want to talk to you, and I'm like, '*****, I fuck dime pieces in Brazil!!!'" Like Brazilian women are all cock-hungry sluts, and American women are all cold and materialistic.

But you paid for it, believe what you want to believe. Just try to keep it to the thread dedicated to professional girls, please.

Thanos
12-29-07, 04:44
Honestly, I think it's the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever read. The one girl who loved to maintain to her clients that she just couldn't live without strange dick was Bia of Luomo. And she's currently pregnant by the first guy willing to marry her and take her off the program. Has she been out for the last year because she loves strange cock?

Guys who like to believe this type of shit are the same guys who love to tell you, "I don't even care to talk to women in the US anymore...They don't even want to talk to you, and I'm like, '*****, I fuck dime pieces in Brazil!!!'" Like Brazilian women are all cock-hungry sluts, and American women are all cold and materialistic.

But you paid for it, believe what you want to believe. Just try to keep it to the thread dedicated to professional girls, please.If its bia the little blonde that you are talking about she's been in and out of Lluomos at least 4 times with different guys trying to take her off of the program.

Que Rico
12-29-07, 05:32
I have to chime in on this one boys! This thread is about non-pros meaning I can post about regular girls right? Though the agenda is the same "international sex" guide.

I have muito experience on the latina dating sites and can tell you a few things, there are more girls interested in me in one week then one year on match.com. Though there agenda may be money, Visa. Many are looking for love and a better life. Apparently the brasillian men are not keeping them happy, we say "american woman are Fat, cold and want to take half my money " they say "brasillian men always have many girlfriends and drink and flirt with girls " For every gringo tired of being rejected by 40 yr old icey woman online there are 5 brasilieras tired of cheating brasilian men. So it seems to work out supply and demand.

I have a girl I've been chatting with from a distant state in brasil she is coming to stay with me for a weekend In Rio, I can say she thinks we are married and will treat me accordingly, the promise of sex and the GFE with her outwhieghs the potential jealousy and foot stomping I may experience due her age and background but it will be a lesson learned thats for sure.

I enjoy pay for play but I'm not gonna pay someone to like me or tolerate me doing non-sex things Id rather bring a girl who adores me and treat her well thats just me. One thing I can say is that NOBODY NEVER that I know has had a siccesfull relationship with a puta, some for short time some for years but they ALWAYS go back to there whoring ways, you have no chance none of ever having a healthy relationship with a puta.end of story! Once a pickle becomes a cucumber it can never be a pickle again.

The good thing about brasillian woman is that there is quite a few who prefer older men. Which leaves me at 41 with an inbox of 12 phone numbers to call on those lonely Rio nights in January! Yeah right "! I'm a few doors down form the best terma in Rio heeeeeeeeee! Boa Noite fellows! See ya in Rio.

Rio Joe
12-29-07, 11:49
One thing I can say is that NOBODY NEVER that I know has had a siccesfull relationship with a puta, some for short time some for years Some for years? That's longer than a lot of marriages to non-pros last. Sounds like a pretty successful relationship to me, even if it eventually breaks apart at the seams.

Jake993
12-29-07, 19:04
Ryjerrob,

Since you're staying in Laranjerias check out the Hide-away club. Full of non-pros and with great pizza.Thanos,

You are the second person I have heard mention the Hide-away club. Do you happen to know which street it is on? I'm in Rio the week of January 7th. Would like to check it out.

My Portuguese in finally getting to the point where I can converse with the local girls. I took a non-pro home on my last trip (November) and had a great time. Mind you, I ended up spending as much money on her (meals, new bathing suit and tanga) so I suppose I could have hired a GDP. But hey, I had a LOT of fun.

Lorenzo
12-29-07, 19:17
One thing I can say is that NOBODY NEVER that I know has had a siccesfull relationship with a puta, some for short time some for years but they ALWAYS go back to there whoring ways, you have no chance none of ever having a healthy relationship with a puta.end of story! Once a pickle becomes a cucumber it can never be a pickle again.
Absolutely, positively, 100% true. Listen to this man; he is wise beyond his tender years.

Off Road
12-29-07, 21:00
Which dating sites are good for finding non-pros?

Mr Enternational
12-29-07, 23:29
I have muito experience on the latina dating sites and can tell you a few things, there are more girls interested in me in one week then one year on match.com. Though there agenda may be money, Visa. Many are looking for love and a better life. Apparently the brasillian men are not keeping them happy, we say "american woman are Fat, cold and want to take half my money " they say "brasillian men always have many girlfriends and drink and flirt with girls " For every gringo tired of being rejected by 40 yr old icey woman online there are 5 brasilieras tired of cheating brasilian men. So it seems to work out supply and demand.

I have a girl I've been chatting with from a distant state in brasil she is coming to stay with me for a weekend In Rio.

Man I can second that. I was on that match dot com a few years back and came away with nothing. On the latin sites I have more chicks hitting me up than I can shake a stick at. I have been in Lima for 2 days and have already met up with 5 different new chicks. One keeps spending the night but when she goes to work I go hang with the others.

Not too many of them are interested in money or visas. But if the subject ever comes up I nip it right in the bud. The first time I chatted with one chick here in Peru she told me a sob story of how she just got robbed with all the details. She never asked for anything. I just told her aww that's too bad. A couple of weeks later she obviously didn't remember because she tried telling me the same story as if it were fresh. I just lead her on asking questions that would lead to the exact same story as before. Still she didn't ask me for anything. Maybe she was waiting for me to offer. I never let her know that she had already told me that story.

Other chicks are like my internet or phone is going to get cut off soon or I need to pay for my child's school. Can you send me some cheese? And sometimes they are chicks that I have already met. I'm like how are you going to pay it next month? How are you going to pay me back? Who are you talking to so much on the phone that your bill is so high? Get him to pay it. And I simply just don't talk to them anymore. Those are few and far between though.

Good luck with your distant state girl Rico. Women who are willing to spend their own money to come see you (especially in Brazil) are rare and definitely a good catch. I'm telling you how Brazilian women are. You could be flying 14 hours from Los Angeles to Rio and instead of meeting you in the capital they will want you to take a bus 2 hours to Resende to see them. That is a no-no. With her own money one of my girls flew from Belo Horizonte to Rio early on a Sunday morning to spend the day with me and went back that same night. And she is poor (although not favela poor) with two kids.

Then last time I was in Rio a chick from Brasilia, whose name at the time I could not even remember nor where she was from came down to see me. She was online looking for a ticket and I'm thinking whatever, I know she is full of shit. Before I know it I get a text from her saying she is on the plane and to meet her at the intl airport at 5:45. It would be her first time in Rio. Then she arrived and I wasn't there. She called and I was explaining to her how to take the bus but she turns around and takes a 70-real taxi to Copa.

I don't even buy into the whole GDP thing. There are too many people not doing it to lead me to think that someone MUST to do it. My ex made 600 reais/month working at Lojas Americanas and lived in the City of God. She never asked me for anything. As a matter of fact she would try to give me money. Then my present GF and her sister knew that their parents did not have money to send them to college. So they studied their asses off to get a good enough score on the vestibular. There was none of that 'I gotta fuck my way through college' nonsense.

Ryjerrob
12-30-07, 00:03
Which dating sites are good for finding non-pros?

The thing about dating sites is this, if a girl's profile says she is from a mongering area, then there's a good chance she's a working girl. I tried brazilcupid.com and paid for a 1 month membership. The two girls I met both were working girls. I'm sure someone else has had better luck than me.

ryjer

Jesuscola
12-30-07, 00:46
Which dating sites are good for finding non-pros?

There are no dating sites good for finding non-pros.

The Watcher
12-30-07, 06:36
I took a non-pro home on my last trip (November) and had a great time. Mind you, I ended up spending as much money on her (meals, new bathing suit and tanga) so I suppose I could have hired a GDP.

As an old monger once told me, "I don't want any free pussy, it's too expensive."

I concur.

Prosal
12-30-07, 10:22
There are no dating sites good for finding non-pros.
Parperfeito :

http://br.encontros.yahoo.com/

A search on [women -> living in Brasil -> aged 18/30 -> with photos -> looking for men] gives more than 164 000 answers.

Jesuscola
12-30-07, 14:27
Parperfeito :

http://br.encontros.yahoo.com/

A search on [women -> living in Brasil -> aged 18/30 -> with photos -> looking for men] gives more than 164 000 answers.

In 7 pages, I saw 3 I would fuck, and they probably work Help, or put up photos of their daughters. I still think face to face is the best way to meet regular girls. Speak Portuguese. Go to Lapa.

Balluba
12-30-07, 16:21
The largest net-community in Brasil is orkut.com.

This is not a datingsite but similar to facebook and myspace. You need to register, make a profile with photo, etc. It is free. You can search after place situated, age, interests and more.

There are no problem to communicate in advance with regulars; students, teachers, shopgirls, housekeepers, footballstars, everybody are there. You will often find Gdp-girls too, often in different situations, together with their families and non-Gdp friends. Be polite, show respect, just like ordinary dating.

After some chit-chat, have their MSN and talk there more privat, exchange phonenumbers, make agreements to meet them, when You enter Brasil. Have a number of alternatives.

Jesuscola:
Of course the oldfashion method like meet and talk is still valid, but I think this is more fun and challenge. Its nice to do when you look forward to your journey. There are hundred thousands of girls, maybe millions to "choose". Some would say this takes too much time, I disagree, but its up to You. You will also improve your language skills, if needed.

This isnt something new, or something magic. Its just another platform to meet and communicate with other people.

Personally I have about 100 girls on my friendslist, inluding phonenumbers from a lot of them. I know exactly who is pro, parttime pro or "innocent" regulars. I have met some and will see some more next time.

Balluba

Jesuscola
12-30-07, 17:27
The largest net-community in Brasil is orkut.com.

This is not a datingsite but similar to facebook and myspace. You need to register, make a profile with photo, etc. It is free. You can search after place situated, age, interests and more.

There are no problem to communicate in advance with regulars; students, teachers, shopgirls, housekeepers, footballstars, everybody are there. You will often find Gdp-girls too, often in different situations, together with their families and non-Gdp friends. Be polite, show respect, just like ordinary dating.

After some chit-chat, have their MSN and talk there more privat, exchange phonenumbers, make agreements to meet them, when You enter Brasil. Have a number of alternatives.

Jesuscola:
Of course the oldfashion method like meet and talk is still valid, but I think this is more fun and challenge. Its nice to do when you look forward to your journey. There are hundred thousands of girls, maybe millions to "choose". Some would say this takes too much time, I disagree, but its up to You. You will also improve your language skills, if needed.

This isnt something new, or something magic. Its just another platform to meet and communicate with other people.

Personally I have about 100 girls on my friendslist, inluding phonenumbers from a lot of them. I know exactly who is pro, parttime pro or "innocent" regulars. I have met some and will see some more next time.

Balluba

Actually, this is very true, and good advice. I've met a few new girls through Orkut, though I wasn't trying to. Guys new to it should be aware, though, that you should be fairly fluent in Portuguese, and some girls will not add you as a friend because they don't want their families asking, "How do you know that gringo?"

I just very much prefer the energy of approaching, greeting, teasing, playing. It's more fun, and you won't get any nasty surprises.

Delaware Guy
12-30-07, 17:52
[QUOTE=Jesuscola]There are no dating sites good for finding non-pros/QUOTE]http://brazilcupid.com/ Just invest a little time, learn a little Portuguese, and enter the chat area. And have an msn messenger account set up to migrate to. You have to pay like $20 per month to enter the chat area and receive messages, but it's worth it imo.

Mr Enternational
12-30-07, 20:54
The largest net-community in Brasil is orkut.com.
This is not a datingsite but similar to facebook and myspace. You need to register, make a profile with photo, etc. It is free. You can search after place situated, age, interests and more.
There are no problem to communicate in advance with regulars; students, teachers, shopgirls, housekeepers, footballstars, everybody are there. You will often find Gdp-girls too, often in different situations, together with their families and non-Gdp friends. Be polite, show respect, just like ordinary dating.
Balluba

I just erased my profile from orkut and hi5. The problem with those sites is that other people can see your friends list and they can leave messages that everyone who comes to your page can see. After you make someone's acquaintence and they go back and write how much they love you or how you are their man another chick goes back and reads it it will raise an eyebrow and sometimes she will want nothing more to do with you.

Balluba
12-30-07, 21:36
I just erased my profile from orkut and hi5. The problem with those sites is that other people can see your friends list and they can leave messages that everyone who comes to your page can see. After you make someone's acquaintence and they go back and write how much they love you or how you are their man another chick goes back and reads it it will raise an eyebrow and sometimes she will want nothing more to do with you.

I dont know what to answer, exept to advice users to use the private message system, for such private posts. And that its easy to delete messages, sent and received, from the guestbook.

Balluba

Helpmann
12-30-07, 21:38
I just erased my profile from orkut and hi5. The problem with those sites is that other people can see your friends list and they can leave messages that everyone who comes to your page can see. That seems extreme. You can just lock your Hi-5 profile, so that only your friends can view it.

-Helpmann :)

Helpmann
12-30-07, 21:59
[QUOTE=Jesuscola]There are no dating sites good for finding non-pros/QUOTE]http://brazilcupid.com/ Just invest a little time, learn a little Portuguese, and enter the chat area. And have an msn messenger account set up to migrate to. You have to pay like $20 per month to enter the chat area and receive messages, but it's worth it imo.Many of these girl are on the same sites. Maybe it's a bit different with Orcut and it's "Match.com" counterpart Brazilian Cupid, but I can find the same Dominican girls on Hi-5 that I can find on Dominican Cupid. I don't have to pay some monthly fee for Dominican Cupid, I can just get their "details" from Dominican Cupid and find them on Hi-5.

I have been doing the internet MSN/AFF/Hi-5 stuff for years. It's fun and you learn the langauge, but it's more fun to play and flirt for the first time in real life than on a computer.

-Helpmann :)

Dickhead
12-30-07, 22:22
Man, I just fucked my first .jpg file. If I had known about this a long time ago I would never have bothered with pussy. In fact I think I will take a picture of my dick and one of a pussy and burn them onto the same CD and call it good.

Balluba
12-30-07, 23:52
Man, I just fucked my first .jpg file. If I had known about this a long time ago I would never have bothered with pussy. In fact I think I will take a picture of my dick and one of a pussy and burn them onto the same CD and call it good.

Sometimes are some .jpg's or a MSN-webcam conversation with a hot 18-20 y.o. brasilian gatinha much more stimulating than a liveaudience with a blond, tall legged Nordic Ice Queen, trust me :-)

Que Rico
12-31-07, 00:18
Ok Listen, Why go on dating site rather then bang *****.pay money.go home?

There are 2 types of mongers: Find them F them forget them FFF and Girlfriend experience GFE

The GFE guys will like the dating sites. Personnaly I had to sift through hundreds to find one who pass all the test and I can trust.

Unfortunatly I have been told by a girl in Medellin the ladrones stole her celluar one and ring and $300 (showed me the finger cut on cam) very creative I ask why is she carrying $300 in the dangerous city of Caracas Venezuela at night? She say she was buying gifts for family!

Then tell me her "mother is sick " she dosent have bebe #1 RFM excuse so she use RFM excuse #2 Mother is sick I ask what is wrong she say she has headache need $300! Remember guys $300 is the golden number in RFM it has been proven time and time again.

Another girl fell in love with me untill her cousin send me telephone number for Embassy fiancee Visa, I say why? I don't even know you? What about the promise of 3 some with younger cousin you forget to leave that out!

The best way to find there motives is ask! Yes ask! How is money now? Did you ever think of coming USA? Did you get rejected for Visa? If she starts talking about her friends who marry gringos and very happy here then there is your answer. Mention names like blackbeards, help and Medellin mansion and see how she reacts. Though it is possible if she IS NOT a puta you may find what your looking for and the VISA is just part of her dream.

Important factors. AGE close to yours Education. If it says middle school figure to spend a few years watching cartoons with your new wife. JOB. Yes having job is good and if she is 31 and her profile says "estudente" figure that as red flag.

Heres how Brasilcupid and latinamericancupid work. Everyday you check your "interest list" you will have 5 to 15 more, girls from all over brasil, Colombia, Venezuela, Mexico, Costa Rica and the DR the problem is to sift through it all. As you check your inbox instant messages will pop up "hey papi" Como Vai Voce" I usually X out unless they are what I'm looking for at the time Lives near Rio.attractive.over 25-speaks english if not you can send them a "slap " its pretty funny or a kiss goodbye. All of the girls except maybe 1 has MSN what we call windows messenger and most have many fotos they can send in slide show or CAm. Many of them are in internet cafes and will lie the cam is broken, if so, say goodbye cuz if THEY think there ugly so will you.

There are also ones in the USA I have spoke to many but really lower tier with much baggage.

I can say that I have learned a great deal about Spanish and Portuguese languages by typing on MSN I also use a translator translation.com I've gotten so fast and good they can't even tell.

As Far as putas online.I can say that NEVER has any girl admited that they or a friend or anyone they have even known been a puta, looked for Visa, did a RFm or was married! Pure innocent saints all of then and if you accuse them be prepared for the latina wrath!

Remember the jealousy factor.they think it is real, your online relationship is real so all the rules apply.

Orkut is popular in Brasil I have one too but haven't figured out how to chase chics yet. True that you must delete all your Scraps "comments" fast because of the jealousy factor. Also there is a community call Eu AMO Gringo's.yes.I love Gringos.haa haa can you believe it? I'm a member of course. Hey I'm no international dating expert but I can say that I've done the homework and this is just my humble opinions. I'll keep up to date here on my imported GFE and hopefully I will have a good story.

Tchau.

Jesuscola
12-31-07, 01:26
[QUOTE=Jesuscola]There are no dating sites good for finding non-pros/QUOTE]http://brazilcupid.com/ Just invest a little time, learn a little Portuguese, and enter the chat area. And have an msn messenger account set up to migrate to. You have to pay like $20 per month to enter the chat area and receive messages, but it's worth it imo.


Thanks, but I speak fluent Portuguese. A really beautiful woman gets hit on every time she steps outside her door. How many really beautiful, high quality women are going to spend a half an hour setting up an online dating profile because they're looking for men? When they do that, what kind of man are they looking for? What's in it for them?

Why are you looking for women like that?

JC

Ryjerrob
12-31-07, 02:12
[QUOTE=Delaware Guy]


Thanks, but I speak fluent Portuguese. A really beautiful woman gets hit on every time she steps outside her door. How many really beautiful, high quality women are going to spend a half an hour setting up an online dating profile because they're looking for men? When they do that, what kind of man are they looking for? What's in it for them?

Why are you looking for women like that?

JC

How do you define fluent Portuguese? I keep seeing that phrase, just curious.

Also I'm not sure what you're saying about dating sites. I personally get a kick out of the commercials, and have met a few women, and it was a disaster for me. I do think people can be successful, not everyone, but some. I also think that women, no matter how beautiful they are, are probably looking for companionship. I think men/women that uses dating services aren't desperate, but haven't been successful.

ryjer

Lorenzo
12-31-07, 03:16
How do you define fluent Portuguese? I keep seeing that phrase, just curious.
I would define fluency as speaking a language as well as you speak your native language. This means you don't need to translate, even in your head. You can think in that language if you need to.

You often see the phrase "working fluency." To me this means that you can perform most of the tasks and functions of everyday life using the second language, e.g., order in a restaurant, check into a hotel, ask directions, negotiate with a garota, discuss current events, but while doing these things you may have to think about what to say, think about the correct grammatical form, maybe translate in your head. I think most estrangeiros who speak Portuguese well possess working fluency rather than true fluency. At least that's true for me, and I can only speak for myself. I know that at times, for example, I have to think about whether to use "ser" or "estar," whereas a native speaker would know which one to use instinctively. That would be true fluency. I can think of several other examples, but you get the idea.

L

Jesuscola
12-31-07, 12:56
I would define fluency as speaking a language as well as you speak your native language. This means you don't need to translate, even in your head. You can think in that language if you need to.
L

Very much agree with this. You don't have to speak Portuguese exactly as well as you speak your native tongue in order to date regular girls, you don't have to be able to read technical manuals and such, but you should be able to think in the language. You get into an argument on the phone at 1am, and she starts spitting the language at you fast, you're going to be hopelessly lost if you're not reasonably fluent.

Also, you should try to acquire a fairly good knowledge of some slang. Nothing too rude or impolite necessarily, but I've found that being able to converse with them using the sort of words and phrases that they would use can help immensely in being accepted. If she's from Rio, for example, and you use "bolado" instead of "zangado," she's likely to laugh and say, "You're already a carioca!" Not truly a necessity, but sort of a short-cut to establishing rapport, and you sound less stiff and awkward.

Abzsafado
12-31-07, 14:33
[QUOTE=Delaware Guy]


Thanks, but I speak fluent Portuguese. A really beautiful woman gets hit on every time she steps outside her door. How many really beautiful, high quality women are going to spend a half an hour setting up an online dating profile because they're looking for men? When they do that, what kind of man are they looking for? What's in it for them?

Why are you looking for women like that?

JC
Not all women like to get hit on every time they leave home.
I have had a look at some sites. Brazilcupid attracts the working girls. Sites like yahoo encontros tends to attract middle aged divorced women. The type you find in Nuth from time to time. But generally speaking these are women that have married friends and don't have the opportunity to socialise as much as some younger women. Perhaps they want the opportunity to get to know a guy before they meet them. They aren't all after your wallet.
Why look for women like that? Why not? They can be more appreciative of the attention.

Jesuscola
12-31-07, 15:59
I dont know what to answer, exept to advice users to use the private message system, for such private posts. And that its easy to delete messages, sent and received, from the guestbook.

Balluba

Some girls will leave private messages with sensitive content by using the "write a testimonial" feature. When you log in, you see the "new testimonial" first thing, but no one else will see it unless you hit the "approve" button. So you will see what she wrote you first thing, and can delete it without anyone else seeing it.

Other than that, yes, you have to delete your scraps regularly. And if you have a girlfriend, she will pester you about putting a picture of her on your page, and will probably police your scraps more frequently than you do...

Hitmanm3
12-31-07, 16:09
[QUOTE=Delaware Guy]Many of these girl are on the same sites. Maybe it's a bit different with Orcut and it's "Match.com" counterpart Brazilian Cupid, but I can find the same Dominican girls on Hi-5 that I can find on Dominican Cupid. I don't have to pay some monthly fee for Dominican Cupid, I can just get their "details" from Dominican Cupid and find them on Hi-5.

I have been doing the internet MSN/AFF/Hi-5 stuff for years. It's fun and you learn the langauge, but it's more fun to play and flirt for the first time in real life than on a computer.

-Helpmann :)I am not trying to plug the web-site so I hope the moderator understands this and if he likes he can scratch the web-site from my statement. I did a search after we started this thread and I saw a site that sparked my interest. These girls are looking for encounters with gringos. The site is latin-euro. Has anyone here ever tried it? . You can look at the pics of the girls and their stats (age etc.) then if you are interested, for a fee of course, you can get their e-mail address and tel. I just want to know if this site is legitamite or just pulling a fast one. It seems to me that most of these girls seem to be none-pros. I haved been going to Rio for about five years now and I was just thinking of changing the scene and mixing it up a little between non-pros and GDP.

Thanos
01-01-08, 05:42
Thanos,

You are the second person I have heard mention the Hide-away club. Do you happen to know which street it is on? I'm in Rio the week of January 7th. Would like to check it out.

My Portuguese in finally getting to the point where I can converse with the local girls. I took a non-pro home on my last trip (November) and had a great time. Mind you, I ended up spending as much money on her (meals, new bathing suit and tanga) so I suppose I could have hired a GDP. But hey, I had a LOT of fun.Rua Das Laranjeiras 308, Laranjeiras :: tel: 2285-0921 its probably close to where you are staying. packed fridays and saturday.

Thanos
01-01-08, 05:52
I've been here in Rio for about 2 weeks, with another 2 weeks to go. I've been in an apt. in Laranjerias, and it's great. Across the street from my apt last Saturday night several of the neighborhood Samba Bands were playing for the local crowd. I was sharing a table with this guy, and we chatted a little in English and Portuguese. This girl was selling shirts for her band to raise proceeds, and in an attempt to get some play, I bought 2 for R$25. Of course I got no where with her.

About 10 minutes later I see this other girl dancing alone, and she wanted to share our table, no biggie. She spoke no English, but I managed to communicate pretty good. After about an hour of drinking beer in the rain, the music stopped, and it was time to go. I originally thought she might want to go for another drink at one of the local places. I needed to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) first, and didn't want to get busted doing it in public.

So once in the apt, I pissed, and we went into my room so I could change shoes. We kissed a little and the rest as they say, is history. It was a great 2 hours of sex. She was more freaky than I expected. She let me do anything I wanted. I think I was only successful with her was because I was able to communicate with her. I consider myself an average looking person, and it usually works for me. At no point did I appear to be a monger, as far as I can tell. Then again, you don't see too many mongers so far away from Help Central, generally speaking.

I mentioned in another thread that I was taking an intermediate Portuguese class for college credit. Well, for me it's a lot easier knowing how to conjugate verbs correctly than just listening to to cd's. So today, after class, I was hanging around with a few other students, when this woman in a nice fitting red dress walks up the stairs to the reception desk. I noticed her, but didn't think much about it.

After about 10 minutes she says to me that she remembers me. I was lost. Oh shit!!! So many things were running through my mind. She then started talking about shirts, and I was even more clueless. Come to find out, this was the same girl that blew me off on the previous Saturday. But now, she was treating me different, like a person. Well, she ended up giving me her number, and asking me out. Maybe she was tired, or in a mood before, but she had a different attitude today. It was nice.

I have been very successful with meeting local women, but on all occasions, away from the traditional mongering areas. I really believe that being able to communicate has a lot to do with it. And for me, it's not about any type of conquest. I just get tired of hanging at Help, TA, MP, and other similar places every night. In fact, for me, I've discovered something new this trip.

Am I looking for a long distance relationship, not really. Would I get involved with one, maybe. Like a few other have said elsewhere, Mr. E/Sperto, what you want is an honest woman, that's it. If you're in it to prove a point, well, more power to you. You'll only end up screwing some woman over and reinforcing whatever negative opinion that she has of men in general. And if you're really only learning Portuguese for that purpose, then you're missing out on so many other opportunities.

GDP's or non-pros, you pay for it one way or the other anyway.

ryjer"Symbols" in centro is another club loaded with non-pros. wed.night is happy hour. usually starts around 6pm. great if you want to meet girls with decent jobs. be forwarned: the place gets packed. about 5 minutes from 4x4 by taxi.
Rua Almirante Barroso, 139, 2533-0292

Prosal
01-01-08, 14:49
"Symbols" in centro is another club loaded with non-pros. wed.night is happy hour.
Right. Symbol is a great spot for the wednesday "noites dos solteiros" - singles nights. The ratio on those days can be ridiculously favorable until about 9 pm when guys start pouring in. It's literally a meat market for women in their 20's.Tuesdays are "flashback" - 80’s MPB - and are good also.

My personnal mid-level fav bar/club is Ballroom on rua Humaita. There's live music everyday (chorro on tuesdays, forro or sertaneja on wednesdays, axe/bahiana shit on thursdays, cover on weekends) and it's filled with approachable middle-class chicks most evenings. I’ve had good luck very often there.

This is not to say that Rio is the best place in Brasil for sex with good-looking non-pros. Sao Paulo is, and IMHO Goiania comes as a second close.

JohnnyBraz
01-04-08, 10:13
"Symbols" in centro is another club loaded with non-pros. wed.night is happy hour. usually starts around 6pm. great if you want to meet girls with decent jobs. be forwarned: the place gets packed. about 5 minutes from 4x4 by taxi.

Rua Almirante Barroso, 139, 2533-0292When I arrive in Rio, for my 3 week tour, I plan to spend alot off my daytime in barra de tijuana then go back to copa off a night. See what it holds. Will let you know.

Thanos
01-05-08, 05:38
When I arrive in Rio, for my 3 week tour, I plan to spend alot off my daytime in barra de tijuana then go back to copa off a night. See what it holds. Will let you know.Two Barra clubs; Nuth and Club Ceasar. The best beach; praia de peppi. Whatever you do don't have drugs of any sort with you when traveling back and forth between copa and barra and always have a coppy of your passport with you. The police are notorious for stopping taxis and shaking down foreigners. A good termas; beach club 400.

Prosal
01-05-08, 10:19
praia de peppi.
Name is Praia do Pepê. Didn't you say somewhere here that you live in Rio and speak fluently portuguese ?!? :rolleyes:

Anyway Praia do Pepê is a section of Barra beach (around Posto 2) especially popular for its kitesurf schools like KitePoint Rio and whose epicenter is the famous and always busy quiosque Barraca do Pepê.

I personally don't really like Barra. My fav beaches in Rio are (not in order) Grumari, Pepino, Ipanema Posto 9 and Leme.

Sprite13
01-06-08, 08:19
[QUOTE=Helpmann]I am not trying to plug the web-site so I hope the moderator understands this and if he likes he can scratch the web-site from my statement. I did a search after we started this thread and I saw a site that sparked my interest. These girls are looking for encounters with gringos. The site is latin-euro. Has anyone here ever tried it? . You can look at the pics of the girls and their stats (age etc.) then if you are interested, for a fee of course, you can get their e-mail address and tel. I just want to know if this site is legitamite or just pulling a fast one. It seems to me that most of these girls seem to be none-pros. I haved been going to Rio for about five years now and I was just thinking of changing the scene and mixing it up a little between non-pros and GDP.

Latin-Euro is the Help of Online dating ie full of pros. The ratio of pros to non-pros on LE approaches 99.9%. No kidding.

Brazilcupid is a more credible site tough with its fair share of if not hard core gdps as LE at least interesseiras. On BrazilCupid, I've started talking with a shitload of women and so far, after about 2-3 weeks, I have found one rare beautiful diamond from Minas that I'll be working on her till I get there in the spring.

In summary, to hook up with a non-pro, whether online than in person, the # 1 criteria is to speak Portuguese otherwise, forget it.

Que Rico
01-06-08, 09:27
Sprite.99. 9% how could you possibly ever come up with that statistic? How do you know they are GDP's has anyone every admitted it? I doubt any would admit it because if they did its a sure way of you deleting them. I've chatted with hundreds of girls on those site. So much I can read portuguese and spanish pretty good now and NEVER did any of them admit they are GDP's as a matter of fact the mear mention of it brings out the latina thunder.

I'm curious as to how you come about this statistic and how you know if ANY are GDP's

By the way 99. 9% of girls in Mina Gerais are looking for Visa's to go to US and clean houses, so many. That the state refuses to give tourist Visa to anyone in MG because they never come back. Goiania too.

Prosal
01-06-08, 10:44
Prosal, You said that SP was the best place to go in Brazil for non-pro garotas. Could you recommend some places ?
Here are some mid-to-upper-scale bars and clubs I'm familiar with, guaranteed loaded with hot and sometimes receptive women aged 20-30 most evenings.

Dress nicely to go out in Sao Paulo. Paulistas are very fashion-conscious.

Boogie - Vila Olimpia ****
Azucar - Itaim Bibi *****
Corleonne Bar - Vila Olimpia ****
Dublin - Vila Olimpia
Favela - Vila Olimpia ****
All Blacks - Jardins
Rey Castro - Vila Olimpia *****
Bar Mangeira - Pinheiros
Moca Bonita - Vila Olimpia *****
Terra Brasil - Vila Maria ****
Bar Balcao - Jardins *****
Green Express - Centro
Piranha - Perdizes *****
Salamandra - Pinheiros
Broadway - Barra Funda ****
Show Bar - Vila Olimpia
San Francisco Bay - Jardins ****
The Bar - Vila Olimpia *****
Skye - Jardins (Hotel Unique, good only on thu nights)

There's hundreds others good options in Vila Olimpia, Pinheiros, Vila Mariana, Perdizes, Vila Madalena, Itaim Bibi, Moema, Barra Funda, ect, but also further in Tatuapé, Santana, Vila Maria, ABC (Sao André, Sao Bernardo and Sao Caetano), ect. You can go out in a different place each day during two monthes without even begin to discover Sao Paulo's regular nightlife.

Nightlife and non-pro scene are also damn good in some 'interior" cities of the state like Bauru or Americana.

Thanos
01-06-08, 19:42
Name is Praia do Pepê. Didn't you say somewhere here that you live in Rio and speak fluently portuguese ?!? :rolleyes:

Anyway Praia do Pepê is a section of Barra beach (around Posto 2) especially popular for its kitesurf schools like KitePoint Rio and whose epicenter is the famous and always busy quiosque Barraca do Pepê.

I personally don't really like Barra. My fav beaches in Rio are (not in order) Grumari, Pepino, Ipanema Posto 9 and Leme.Yes I live in Rio but never said I spoke or wrote fluent portuguese. I thought this was a sex guide forum not a grammar class.

Jose Lima
01-08-08, 04:08
When I arrive in Rio, for my 3 week tour, I plan to spend alot off my daytime in barra de tijuana then go back to copa off a night. See what it holds. Will let you know.


If your in barra a great club to go to is a spot called The Catwalk. Its right in barra near the Sheraton. I was there in january and it was really hot full of trendy people and good looking patrons. Not sure if its stil there since this was about 8 months ago.

Another cool spot is called the Jockey club its cool on sundays from around 6pm-12:pm, a bit of the younger crowd but still lots of fun.

Hitmanm3
01-08-08, 04:45
Sprite.99. 9% how could you possibly ever come up with that statistic? How do you know they are GDP's has anyone every admitted it? I doubt any would admit it because if they did its a sure way of you deleting them. I've chatted with hundreds of girls on those site. So much I can read portuguese and spanish pretty good now and NEVER did any of them admit they are GDP's as a matter of fact the mear mention of it brings out the latina thunder.

I'm curious as to how you come about this statistic and how you know if ANY are GDP's

By the way 99. 9% of girls in Mina Gerais are looking for Visa's to go to US and clean houses, so many. That the state refuses to give tourist Visa to anyone in MG because they never come back. Goiania too.You haved used the site and chatted with some of these girls? So it is good to say that this site is good for meeting none-pro? I dought that 99. 9% are GDP.

Samanta
01-08-08, 04:58
Well first I am single with no kids and enjoy a little bit of the player life style.

I want to get advice on a non gdp I met through an online date site, I am not going to name the site or show a picture but the woman is a lot older than me, (over 10 yrs) but she is very good looking, and seems sincere. Age is not a problem for her, and from speaking with her she has a good heart. She is almost past or probably past child bearing age, but I mentioned to her one day I might want to have children, and she was willing to say there are ways to have children hinting its possible with her. She seems willing to do a lot. I want to get advice on what to do. Should I continue with her? Or look for someone younger?

And she never ask me for a dime (vs a GDP) since I've been with her.

Mr Enternational
01-08-08, 05:59
Well first I am single with no kids and enjoy a little bit of the player life style.

I want to get advice on a non gdp I met through an online date site, I am not going to name the site or show a picture but the woman is a lot older than me, (over 10 yrs) but she is very good looking, and seems sincere. Age is not a problem for her, and from speaking with her she has a good heart. She is almost past or probably past child bearing age, but I mentioned to her one day I might want to have children, and she was willing to say there are ways to have children hinting its possible with her. She seems willing to do a lot. I want to get advice on what to do. Should I continue with her? Or look for someone younger?

And she never ask me for a dime (vs a GDP) since I've been with her.

Dude you are losing me here. Seems to me like you want to continue with her but you would more so like an excuse to find someone younger. Hence, you posed the question to the board. Also, in the first sentence you said that you enjoy a little bit of the player lifestyle. If that was true then you would not have asked the board anything. You would have just kept her and found someone younger in addition. What you asked for was not what you are soliciting, which is advice for you that has nothing per se to do with the woman in question.

You are contradicting yourself. You say from speaking with her she has a good heart (which sounds as if you only talk to her online). Then later you lend to us the idea that you have actually been physically together and have a relationship with this woman (by saying "since I've been with her").

I am concluding that I just wasted my time replying to a bullshit post.

Thanos
01-08-08, 06:35
Well first I am single with no kids and enjoy a little bit of the player life style.

I want to get advice on a non gdp I met through an online date site, I am not going to name the site or show a picture but the woman is a lot older than me, (over 10 yrs) but she is very good looking, and seems sincere. Age is not a problem for her, and from speaking with her she has a good heart. She is almost past or probably past child bearing age, but I mentioned to her one day I might want to have children, and she was willing to say there are ways to have children hinting its possible with her. She seems willing to do a lot. I want to get advice on what to do. Should I continue with her? Or look for someone younger?

And she never ask me for a dime (vs a GDP) since I've been with her.Depends on what you're looking for. only you can decide whether she's too old for you. if not and you find her attractive; go for it.

Samanta
01-08-08, 13:25
I did confuse you a bit with the question, I guess age is just a number, but if she is not what I expect I will move on.


Dude you are losing me here. Seems to me like you want to continue with her but you would more so like an excuse to find someone younger. Hence, you posed the question to the board. Also, in the first sentence you said that you enjoy a little bit of the player lifestyle. If that was true then you would not have asked the board anything. You would have just kept her and found someone younger in addition. What you asked for was not what you are soliciting, which is advice for you that has nothing per se to do with the woman in question.

You are contradicting yourself. You say from speaking with her she has a good heart (which sounds as if you only talk to her online). Then later you lend to us the idea that you have actually been physically together and have a relationship with this woman (by saying "since I've been with her").

I am concluding that I just wasted my time replying to a bullshit post.

Jose Lima
01-08-08, 15:49
Dude you are losing me here. Seems to me like you want to continue with her but you would more so like an excuse to find someone younger. Hence, you posed the question to the board. Also, in the first sentence you said that you enjoy a little bit of the player lifestyle. If that was true then you would not have asked the board anything. You would have just kept her and found someone younger in addition. What you asked for was not what you are soliciting, which is advice for you that has nothing per se to do with the woman in question.

You are contradicting yourself. You say from speaking with her she has a good heart (which sounds as if you only talk to her online). Then later you lend to us the idea that you have actually been physically together and have a relationship with this woman (by saying "since I've been with her").

I am concluding that I just wasted my time replying to a bullshit post.


WOOOOOO kimosabi, that was a bit harsh bro. calma calma meu amigo.

The guy may be a bit confused, but here is my two cents. Keep her around for the fun and find someone new also. I think a lot of guys get caught up in the infactuation of one chick. It can turn on you real quick. I dont think age should be a factor in your decision cause if shes hot it really doesnt matter does it. Now if shes old and not hot then treat her like a young chick that aint hot; only call her for the booty call.

Whatever you do just remember that no ones feelings or happiness is more important then yours, screw everyone else((including her))

Que Rico
01-10-08, 20:36
You haved used the site and chatted with some of these girls? So it is good to say that this site is good for meeting none-pro? I dought that 99. 9% are GDP. I would say the best chance ever to meet the non-pros in the sites, Mine is meeting me in in GIG airport in the morning she is paying for her own ticket too, and she has an appointemnt in a few days for her VISA no doing by me ofcourse.

Don't believe all the BS, after mongering for awhile the line between puta and non-pro fades in our minds and they all become risky scammers out to fk us anyway they can which is not always true. My olny problems is how to see all of them without getting caught in some kind of non-pro garota net. Ok my limo is here!

Kcrl01
01-11-08, 01:42
I return to Rio in March for 15 day holiday. I've since been chatting both on-line & telefone with a babe who lives in SP, I met her on LatinEuro.com.

Was in Rio over Natal e Ano Novo, would have flown her in then for a few days, but couldn't get the schedules right, she was visiting family in the South.

Is there a full-proof way to purchase a non-transferrable, non-refundable airfare? I've heard of guys purchasing tix and the babes just cash them in and never show.

Will be using TAM from SP to Rio, ida e volta: BR$399,00.

Thanos
01-11-08, 10:12
I return to Rio in March for 15 day holiday. I've since been chatting both on-line & telefone with a babe who lives in SP, I met her on LatinEuro.com.

Was in Rio over Natal e Ano Novo, would have flown her in then for a few days, but couldn't get the schedules right, she was visiting family in the South.

Is there a full-proof way to purchase a non-transferrable, non-refundable airfare? I've heard of guys purchasing tix and the babes just cash them in and never show.

Will be using TAM from SP to Rio, ida e volta: BR$399,00.First rule of thumb. In the words of denny green; make sure "They are who you thought they were". There's no way for you to tell she's a non-gdp over the phone. There is gdp action in just about every city, town and hamlet in brazil. Just use caution. #2. Never put out money til you've seen the girl in person. True story: a friend of mine traveled over three hours by bus to visit a girl he met online in a small town on the other side of Buzios. The pictures she had sent him showed a cute morena girl. What they didn't show was her HUNCHBACK! No lie the girl had a hunchback. He said he would have ducked her but she saw him as soon as he stepped off the bus. So he spent the afternoon trying to walk ahead of her through her town's streets. #3 just be careful. Alot of girls on the sites are scam artist. They may not be gdps but they will rip you off. Think about it. If you were a woman would you travel to a strange city to meet a foreigner? She may be a great girl. Just keep your eyes open.

Perkele
01-11-08, 10:25
Is there a full-proof way to purchase a non-transferrable, non-refundable airfare? I've heard of guys purchasing tix and the babes just cash them in and never show.

Will be using TAM from SP to Rio, ida e volta: BR$399,00.

No.

All tickets can be refunded or changed.

Piper1
01-11-08, 10:53
Is there a full-proof way to purchase a non-transferrable, non-refundable airfare? I've heard of guys purchasing tix and the babes just cash them in and never show.It's like gambling. If you're going this route, be prepared to lose the money. If you win, even better. I've done this twice (in Europe). I was prepared for the loss if it turned out they were scamming me, but luckily on both gambles the girls turned up. You can increase your odds with some incentives (e.g., promises of gifts, etc).

Hobbying
01-11-08, 11:28
If you like brasilians than go to miami or newark nj where there are tons, its easier when they are already in US w/ a visa and speak english.

Anything outside of the US i keep strictly pin pal to learn about their culture, where to go, and the language.

As for the dating/network sites, you must realize a pretty girl must talk to or be contacted by 100+ other guys a day.

Thanos
01-11-08, 18:23
I return to Rio in March for 15 day holiday. I've since been chatting both on-line & telefone with a babe who lives in SP, I met her on LatinEuro.com.

Was in Rio over Natal e Ano Novo, would have flown her in then for a few days, but couldn't get the schedules right, she was visiting family in the South.

Is there a full-proof way to purchase a non-transferrable, non-refundable airfare? I've heard of guys purchasing tix and the babes just cash them in and never show.

Will be using TAM from SP to Rio, ida e volta: BR$399,00.If you really want to meet non-gdps while in Rio simply seperate yourself from the gdp scene in copa and start hitting some of the many normal clubs and bars all around the city or better yet go to SP where the non-gdp scene is ten times greater with hundreds of normal clubs and events happening all the time.

Sprite13
01-12-08, 04:35
Just look at the vast majority of the pics on that site. How many real geniune dating sites are there where real non-pro girls show their ass and all?
Do also a search online on Latin Euro and you'll understand what type of girls this site attracts.

If you want to meet a real non-pro girl from a date site in Brasil, try some of the other sites mentionned in here such as parpefeito, amigos and yahoo encontros. Needless to say with these girls, a near fluency in portuguese is a must.






Sprite.99. 9% how could you possibly ever come up with that statistic? How do you know they are GDP's has anyone every admitted it? I doubt any would admit it because if they did its a sure way of you deleting them. I've chatted with hundreds of girls on those site. So much I can read portuguese and spanish pretty good now and NEVER did any of them admit they are GDP's as a matter of fact the mear mention of it brings out the latina thunder.

I'm curious as to how you come about this statistic and how you know if ANY are GDP's

By the way 99. 9% of girls in Mina Gerais are looking for Visa's to go to US and clean houses, so many. That the state refuses to give tourist Visa to anyone in MG because they never come back. Goiania too.

Prosal
01-12-08, 10:30
Do also a search online on Latin Euro and you'll understand what type of girls this site attracts. If you want to meet a real non-pro girl from a date site in Brasil, try some of the other sites mentionned in here such as parpefeito, amigos and yahoo encontros.
Seconded.

Latin Euro is only a nest of piranhas. At 100%.

Parperfeito (same database as yahoo encontros) is indubitably the greatest and most popular "normal" brasilian dating site. As I said earlier, a single search on [women -> living in Brasil -> aged 18/30 -> with photos -> looking for men] gives more than 164 000 answers, and around 300 000 if you add the profiles without photos.

An immense potential, yet as Sprite rightly said, good portuguese and cultural awareness/knowledge are a must to woo and score real regular brasileiras.

I've personally often had good luck with yahoo encontros, especially in SP, Curitiba and Goiania, and met through this site only charming, learned and worldly women with no materialistic expectations, all at my personnal physical tastes.

Exec Talent
01-12-08, 12:46
Latin Euro is only a nest of piranhas. At 100%.


As usual, Prosal is correct. In my search for normal girls, I came across several who are listed on LatinEuro (I met them through normal channels, not on the web site). Their goal is to marry a gringo and to be taken to the promised land. Do not send these girls money. Scott, if you are reading this, that means you!

The way to find out their real motives is after a few times with them, tell them you love Brazil so much that you think you are going to live here instead of returning to your country. I have found that to a woman really in love with you, it does not matter. To the LatinEuro girls, it was a major issue.

You can have fun with these girls. Actually, lots of fun. Just keep your wits about you at all times and never let your guard down.

Madd Love
01-12-08, 20:34
I agree with all the post about meeting non GDP. I would stay away from LatinEuro like a plague. 100% GDP. When a girl from Brazil becomes more concern aboyt money and material things than you, she is more likely to be a GDP.

To meet non GDP you have to go to other places besides help and Copa beach scene and termas. There are plenty of places to meet non GDP's.

From exp.

Just my two cents

Mr Enternational
01-13-08, 00:43
If you like brasilians than go to miami or newark nj where there are tons, its easier when they are already in US w/ a visa and speak english.

Haha. Yeah but by then they are too AWish, which is what everyone is trying to avoid. Believe me when I say that I have had my share of foreign-born women who are now in the U.S. Everytime I call myself giving them a chance they quite easily manage to screw it up. They compare to AWs more than they do to other women who I have dealt with that remain in their mother countries....and might I add that most of them you see more than likely arrived illegally or are overstaying visas; but I'm not ICE, so I could give a rat's ass.

Mr Enternational
01-13-08, 01:16
The way to find out their real motives is after a few times with them, tell them you love Brazil so much that you think you are going to live here instead of returning to your country. I have found that to a woman really in love with you, it does not matter. To the LatinEuro girls, it was a major issue.

It should not even take that long. A lot of chicks I know expect me to move abroad to where they live. I always have to explain to them that if it were to come to something serious as such then it may be better for us to live here in the States seeing that there is a better quality of living and we could probably earn more. One chick from Peru didn't want to talk to me again because I told her that I had no intentions of moving there. But of course she could not resist for long and still remains a part of the official non-pro "dick down list."

No woman really wants to leave her home, where she is very comfortable with all her family and friends, unless she is 1. a university-educated career-minded woman, 2. is going through that phase of change and running away to start over that most women go through, 3. is a certified gold-digger or gold-digger understudy. It is your duty to correctly ascertain which of the three yours is.

Pipe Layer99
01-13-08, 06:15
Lets not forget about the good old fashioned way of meeting women - talk to them. When you visit Rio, get out and about, and go TALK to so normal women. Just as you would when you were 25 yrs old. If you see someone interesting or good looking, go and say hello - Introduce yourself. Of course this may require some knowledge of Porto, but you never know. If you can speak some Spanish or Italian it will be easier - you can do it.

I've only been to Rio 4x. During those trips I've managed to enjoy the personal company of 3 non-pros. One I met at a Kilo restaurant on my 1st trip - got some on the next trip (took 2 dates). Great girl. She was outside talking with a girlfriend as 3 of us were walking in to feed (animals need to feed in order to monger). I managed to get her info in a polite and respectful manner. Finally on my 2nd trip I took her out to eat 1st date. Then on the 2nd date we went to have some drinks at a nice place, then back near the apt for some more cocktails. afterwards, I finally invited her to come see where I was staying ;-))


Also during the 2nd trip I met a few more ladies. I struck up a conversation with 2 girls at the local corner bar near my apt. It was way down on Barrato Rib... They were just chillin' and having some beers. I went over, said hello and we talked. They were waiting for another girl to show up. The 3rd girl lived in my apt building. Turns out they were going to see a concert in Lapa and invited me. Hmmmmm - touch call here. Go to TA/Help or laopa with 3 doable girls. One was smoking hot, but not avail while the other 2 were A-OK in my book. So, naturally I went with them. I covered our beer tab (to their objection) - a whopping R40 for all the beers we had - they paid for the cab to Lapa. Then they got me discount for a ticket to the show. Long story short, I enjoyed the company of 3 non-pros, a great show, and made out with 2 of the girls during the concert. Back to the apt by bus. One girl stops us at the outside gate, tells the others Donnie is hungry and she is taking me to get somethiing to eat. This was news to me. We walk just around the corner and then turned back. We went straight to my apt. I kinda knew what was up. She wanted to let them go in first so they wouldn't know. Once in the apt, we sucked and fucked furiously. Then she left ( lived just down the hall ). 2 days later while a GDP is leaving my place she finds a note that was slid under my door with an invitation for coffee or .............. can you believe the GDP was surprised. I never called her back. I had a to-do list that needed attention. Plus 4x4 and Solarium!

The 3rd girl I met because I saw her 2-3 times on N.S. Copacabana. Once waiting for a bus and then later walking. I spoke to her (in broken language) and we ended up communicating for a long time - like 2 hrs. Eventually we changing #s and email, etc. Never took her to bed, but we still communicate.
She is still on the list. But she is also very nice, so I keep it clean with her. No hurry with this one.

I've also met others and got their numbers. Mainly at bus stops, but nothing ever panned out. Just wanted to share the possibilities out there.

Moral of the story - be nice, speak to the women and use your charm. They are after all women and some of them need attention. DD

Mr Enternational
01-13-08, 17:36
Lets not forget about the good old fashioned way of meeting women - talk to them. When you visit Rio, get out and about, and go TALK to so normal women. Just as you would when you were 25 yrs old. If you see someone interesting or good looking, go and say hello - Introduce yourself. Of course this may require some knowledge of Porto, but you never know. DD

And even if she has a man she is still won't mind conversing with you and probably giving you her contact info (again streets, airports, train, bus). And you can always ask her if she has any single friends. It is all about what YOU make the relationship. That is another reason I love Brazil.

Rio Bob
01-26-08, 14:30
on saturdayś club 400 in barra turns into henryś club for swingers. when you get there you go into the boite, sit at a table with your girl, have a drink and dance, looks like any other nightclub. i was dancing with my girl and while the music was playing they shut the lights off, it was pitch dark. the couple next to us, the guy slips his hand under my girls dress and starts fingering her. i didn know this because it was so dark. but my girl takes my hand and puts it on the other guys girls bucetta. she has no panties on, soaken wet, i am now kissing her and fingering her on the dance floor, both girls are moaning out loud. the lights come back on, we return to our tables and have another drink.

then they have a lesbo show. after the show they make an announcement that everybody can now go upstairs and party. upstairs they have a dark room which is not so dark but people are sitting around on these couches sucking and fucking. i drop my pants and my girl gives me bbbj in front of everybody, lots of onlookers too. i then put her on a couch and do her doggie style, other couples near by doing the same thing.

we start walking around a little, they have the rooms there that are used for the termas during the day, you can open the door and see other couples in the rooms doing there thing, generally you can get invited in.

i ran into our friends from the dance floor and the other girl says lets go get a room, so all 4 of us go into a room and someone locks the door. im fucking this guys girl, i think he is just doing daty on mine. i liked this guys girl, we must have spent 40 minutes in the room then i unlock the door. now we are putting on a show because other couples and peeping in but they didn enter. then this young couple come to the door, she was really hot, he comes in and fucks my girl and his girl sticks her bucetta right on my face.

these were all non pros of course, they have a sign no gdp allowed. but i saw one guy in his late 70ś at least with a girl in her 20ś so i don know, i would have liked to have fucked her but i had to think about my girl.

after all that activity i held out and never popped a nut, on the taxi back from barra, i told my girl i was hungry and going to go to terracao atlantico to eat and i gave the taxi driver full fare to take her home. i went in to help grabbed a nice girl for 200 reais and finished the night off. what a country brazil is.

Lucky19
01-26-08, 16:55
Hope I get lucky. Will be there in July. The more money I save on free women the more money I'll have for the P4P scene.

Pussyhunter099
01-26-08, 18:49
I just returned from my trip. I hooked up with a regular non pro that I had met on a previous trip. Maybe it was just my bad luck but this chick ended up not leaving me alone, she was on me like stink on shit. A few times she showed up at my apartment unannounced. Not to mention she started bugging me about coming back to Rio more often and also moving there, also she was bugging me about not staying in Copacabana anymore on any future trips. On the bright side I was able to loose her and make plenty of terma trips and I was able to make it to help every night. On my next trip I am going to stick with the pros, when I go to Rio I only go for a week or two and don't have the time to be dealing with chicks like this to save some money.

Rio Bob
01-26-08, 21:34
As some of you know 2A2 is another swinger club in Copa, I went there this past Thursday night. It wasnt the best night to go with a girl because they allow singles in also. I saw 3 single women and 12 single men, the men were a problem as my girl complained they were always grabbing her ass and they were always asking to join in plus many of them were just looking and wacking off. I did meet one single guy but this guy was not Brazilian and very handsome, he got lucky with some couples.

Again they put on a show, first this stud comes out and does a dance, he was all over my girl then a hot chick comes out and does a poll routine. Then they came out together, they pulled my girl on to the dance floor both of them and had her dresse hiked up, she said it was cool.

Then we went upstairs, got squeezed into a corner, with lots of people, I had my girl up against the wall and my hand behind me up some other girls dress in her panties, I dont even know what she looked like, it was crazy.

Then we moved around, found myself in a room with 2 other couples, one woman was sitting on my face while the other gave me a BBBJ, then I did the woman on my face while she daty the other woman, fun stuff.

Lots of groping going on, while you stand next to a couple in the hallway, they are kissing or watching something and you slip your hand up their bundha or bucetta, more fun stuff.

I seen one hot chick on her knees with several guys around her, crazy stuff.

I want to try the place on Friday or Saturday without the extra guys some day.

Exec Talent
01-26-08, 23:56
I want to try the place on Friday or Saturday without the extra guys some day.

I have been there on Saturdays and it is pretty packed. To the extent that if you get there late, you might not get in.

If you are someone who is easily intimidated, I suggest you go to the restroom during the strip show. If the guy hung around the barn naked he would make the horses nervous. He must use a 30lb Hefty® sack for condoms.

Que Rico
01-27-08, 06:37
Oi, My report on Meeting non-pros in Rio:

I find this site usefull so I decided to give back and share my experience with the non-pros I've meet. I just came back from Rio It was my first trip and I went alone. I found my portuguese was almost useless but after a few days I adjusted the accent and it got amazingly better, Its took a 10 week class at the adult school and I'm sighned up for the 2nd.

As I said I have memberships on several sites of the cupid series. Around 5 months ago I have been talking to a girl from Goiania, she seems to really like me but makes rediculous demands on me like "if you want a serious relationship you should not go to Rio" haaahaa fat chance in hell, I told her to take a hike. She reappeared and told me she would be in sao paolo the same week as I'm in Rio. So I flew her in we meet at the airport and she was immediatly affectionate to me. (unlike the cold gringas) We shopped around she took control of the whole situation with speaking to people. We had sex the first night it was awsome she is 18 yrs younger then me and very sexual.

She was my first brazillian girl I've had many latinas but never a brazillian. We went to that place shenanigans to watch the NFL games and she wouldn't leave me alone she was needy and tugging on me and holding me like every girl was gonna take me. She was very jealous and suspicious and didn't let me out of her site, she would always ask whats wrongs? Do you like me? Blah blah. I almost sent her home early. The age difference and that brasiliera jealousy was too much for me. I tried to explain that controlling and jealousy is a character defect and it ruins relationships and she just didn't understand she thinks it means they love you! So I gave up we made up had sex again and I sent her on her way.

I turned on my MSN (every latina in south/central america who can use a computer has it) aka.windows messenger I got many hits and visited one at posto 8 Juice stand, turns out she has boyfriend and was just playing host to me, I wish I knew before I met her 3 times and wasted cab fare. All I got was 12 cheek kisses (greetings and goodbyes)

One night I decided to do a search online for girls online now In Rio. My very first try I found a 28 yr old Girl who is at Gym training for Samba, she is in the carnival parade. She speaks good english and has college degree. We had dinner then she left with 2 brazillian cheeks kisses. I never saw her again because honestly this isn't match.com and I have the advantage here. At this point I'm like you get one chance with me.

I also had a very hott girl in Niteroi ask me to see her every night but being Newb I was not comfortable to taxi to niteroi.

Another actually came to see me but I wasent around I don't like rough girls and she was nasty but cute.

I had no problem chatting with girls at the stores they were warm and kind and didn't try to be professionals like american woman it was a breath of fresh air for me. Many of the girls I talk to wanted to go to Barrenettii or some dance club apparently dancing is the thing to do with these youngs ones but don't expect anything but that funny date thing of Bar kissing.

All in All chasing locals was fun and help kill time between terma sessions and it was interesting too. There are many options for this and age is not a factor. I did not get any of the stalking we hear about but one time a girl called my cell 10 times in a row I hope she knew she was dialing the USA! LOL

Next time I go I will screen them more and get a few more in line, It is tricky to hide them from eachother and explain where you've been, keep them off your laptop and cell phone. Being an international player isn't easy but with some work it can be quite a succesfull adventure.

It was a learning experience and next time will make less mistakes and have more scores

Ok Tchau for now QR

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DJ FourMoney
01-27-08, 10:07
I just returned from my trip. I hooked up with a regular non pro that I had met on a previous trip. Maybe it was just my bad luck but this chick ended up not leaving me alone, she was on me like stink on shit. A few times she showed up at my apartment unannounced. Not to mention she started bugging me about coming back to Rio more often and also moving there, also she was bugging me about not staying in Copacabana anymore on any future trips. On the bright side I was able to loose her and make plenty of terma trips and I was able to make it to help every night. On my next trip I am going to stick with the pros, when I go to Rio I only go for a week or two and don't have the time to be dealing with chicks like this to save some money.

Okay... I fail to understand something here.

Non-pros are regular women are they not? How many women DO you know are the find them, fuck them and flee types?

More than likely no more than 2 at the most and NONE is usually the regular answer.

Now ask yourself, wouldn't a girl, who you treated well, took out to dinner, yadda, yadda, yadda wouldn't catch some feelings for you???

I think SO!

So why would it be a surprise to you that she was on you like white on rice? Nevermind that I am sure you kept in constant contact with her between trips.

Use your head man!

If you want to fuck women and pay them to leave, then do that. If you wanna bang freebies than be prepared to take the bad with the good.

Don't come back to the board and complain how stupid you were.

Off Road
01-27-08, 11:54
Okay... I fail to understand something here.

Non-pros are regular women are they not? How many women DO you know are the find them, fuck them and flee types?

More than likely no more than 2 at the most and NONE is usually the regular answer.

Now ask yourself, wouldn't a girl, who you treated well, took out to dinner, yadda, yadda, yadda wouldn't catch some feelings for you???

I think SO!

So why would it be a surprise to you that she was on you like white on rice? Nevermind that I am sure you kept in constant contact with her between trips.

Use your head man!

If you want to fuck women and pay them to leave, then do that. If you wanna bang freebies than be prepared to take the bad with the good.

Don't come back to the board and complain how stupid you were.
Come on.. dont pick on PH for his post. He had an experience with a gal and shared it. He seems to be sharing a warning to some newbies or anyone who wants to date a normal woman. The brazilian women are extreamly possessive and jealous.

So I appreciated his post and found it informative. Your post sounded like a personal attack on him.

Prosal
01-27-08, 14:30
How many women DO you know are the find them, fuck them and flee types? More than likely no more than 2 at the most and NONE is usually the regular answer.
Nonsense.

Most regular brasileiras enjoy fun and adventure just as much as a new pair of panties.

Go to Sao Paulo Litoral Norte (Guaruja, Camburi, Mariesas, ect) during summer holidays and if you're a decent-looking guy with a bit of game, language and cultural awareness, you'll find more one-night stand paulistas sluts than you'll can handle.

Pussyhunter099
01-27-08, 18:32
I also forgot to say that this woman is married. I think she found out my home phone number and is the one who called my house about 10 times yesterday when I was at work. There was one short message in portuguese that I think was her the rest were no message.

Spaceinc
01-28-08, 04:19
Come on.. dont pick on PH for his post. He had an experience with a gal and shared it. He seems to be sharing a warning to some newbies or anyone who wants to date a normal woman. The brazilian women are extreamly possessive and jealous.

So I appreciated his post and found it informative. Your post sounded like a personal attack on him.Hey man I'm brazilian. And the brazlian women are not possessive and jealous. Off course we have some like that but in all over the world we get that too.

The thing is. He is a " gringo " or " foreigner " (I don't know how to write that) and girls like that like women from others countries like brazilian guys and sometime keep calling and it's a chance to her to meet or travel to others countries.

Spaceinc
01-28-08, 05:03
I want to try the place on Friday or Saturday without the extra guys some day. Hey dude or better sangue bon is " good blood " LOL.

I know a place called ibiza but they authorized singles too but singles is more expensive but that what give money to that kind of club.

Ibizia is a hotel that organize that swings parties and some time gang bang parties. You can go alone or with a girl. With a girl they have a couple room only couples enters. The y have the bukake. The room where you get put the tidk off and wait for a BJ. Some women sucking everything and very well. I love there went somentimes alone and enjoy it. Here in brazil non programs girls if you know one that like swingers party you are a very lucky man. I never found one. I tried to take a girlfriend (a woman friend of me) but when she was starting to agree with the idea she got a friend.

Mr Enternational
01-28-08, 05:10
Oi, My report on Meeting non-pros in Rio:

It is tricky to hide them from each other and explain where you've been, keep them off your laptop and cell phone. Being an international player isn't easy but with some work it can be quite a succesfull adventure.

I second that brother. Unfortunately (or fortunately.. depending on how you look at it) for me the habit has turned into a lifestyle.

Exec Talent
01-28-08, 09:16
Hey man I'm brazilian. And the brazlian women are not possessive and jealous. Off course we have some like that but in all over the world we get that too.

Are all Brazilian women possessive and jealous? Probably not, however I have met thousands and have yet to find one who isn't.

Off Road
01-28-08, 12:20
Hey man I'm brazilian. And the brazlian women are not possessive and jealous. Off course we have some like that but in all over the world we get that too.
OK.. I should rephrase for you. I am a gringo and only know from my experience. Almost ALL of the ones I have met are possessive and jealous. Heck, I am too. I can only think of one gal that is not.

So you being brazilian have a different point of view (POV).

How long does it take for a GDP inside of Help or inside a terma to get possive or jealous? One drink or less.

We need to advise the newcomers to Brazil to be forewarned about the way they act.

I believe this is because they will stay with you for days, or want repeat business as the competition here is strong.

DJ FourMoney
01-28-08, 13:40
Nonsense.

Most regular brasileiras enjoy fun and adventure just as much as a new pair of panties.

Go to Sao Paulo Litoral Norte (Guaruja, Camburi, Mariesas, ect) during summer holidays and if you're a decent-looking guy with a bit of game, language and cultural awareness, you'll find more one-night stand sluts than you'll can handle.

That is true, there women in America that just wanna fuck, although RARE its happen before and to me personally several times, though the quality is questionable at best.

That was not a personal attack just an observation...

Jake993
01-29-08, 02:14
I had an interesting discussion with a non-pro the other day. There's a desk clerk at the hotel where I stay who is a very cute little number. I joke with her all the time and she smiles and jokes back. All very harmless. I know she has a boyfriend so a respect the boundaries.

A few weeks ago, I was kidding with her as I was headed down to the beach for a few hours. About an hour into it, who should come strolling up but this little hottie. She had just gotten off work and had an hour to kill and wanted to spend some time to chat with me. Of course she asked me not to mention the meeting to anyone at the hotel as it could mean losing her job. She told me about her relationship with her boyfriend and how the relationship was doomed because she was intellectually superior, yada, yada, yada. All the usual 21 year old girl stuff. The thought of taking a run at her crossed my mind but was quickly dismissed for obvious reasons.

However, we did have a nice little chat about the Brazilian perception of girls who talk with foreigners. According to her, any Brazilian girl who speaks English to a foreigner in public is pretty much assumed by other Brazilians to be a GDP. Period. End of discussion. No arguments.

To me, this starts to explain the reticence some of the girls have about engaging in conversation and the utter importance of learning at least some basic Portuguese. Of course this is a gross generalization, but it is a view shared by many, many Brazilians and in particular Cariocas.

I guess it should have been sort of obvious, but now it all makes a lot more sense. If you are a nice Brazilian girl with a good body and living with your parents in Ipanema, the last thing you need is the local neighborhood gossip telling everyone that you're a working girl because she saw you speaking English to the gringo on the street bar.

How many times have you met a nice babe at the local street bar whom you know damned well speaks English, but answers you in one word sentences until you give up? You are more likely to get somewhere with the one who only speaks a word or two of English.

Interesting little tidbit I thought.

Off Road
01-29-08, 09:55
However, we did have a nice little chat about the Brazilian perception of girls who talk with foreigners. According to her, any Brazilian girl who speaks English to a foreigner in public is pretty much assumed by other Brazilians to be a GDP. Period. End of discussion. No arguments.
This would depend on the environment and location. I have co-workers (Brazilian women) who speak perfect English. We all go out, we speak english. I even go out with a few of them on business trips and for dinner sometimes. But this is not in a bar in Copa.

Long John 200
01-30-08, 02:02
i am using the rosetta stone software online via highspeed intranet to learn portugese. it is way cheaper than buying the software. i took classes 4 years ago and this seems just as good. also you can do the lessons as you have the time.

http://www.rosettastone.com/


[quote=jake993]however, we did have a nice little chat about the brazilian perception of girls who talk with foreigners. according to her, any brazilian girl who speaks english to a foreigner in public is pretty much assumed by other brazilians to be a gdp. period. end of discussion. no arguments.

RioNewbie
01-31-08, 01:57
i wanna tell you about my story with a brazilian gilr in rio.

we met one year ago online and had contact by email, msn and telephone almost everyday.

one day she told me that she has a gringo sugardaddy who is living with her in rio. i was shocked but didn't stop contact to her.

so last year i met her in rio, 3 months, almost everyday, in hidden places, until she asked me to rent an apartment for one month because she had left her sugardaddy and wanted to live alone.

i accepted.

she had told me before that she had been doing this job before she had met her sugardaddy who gave her a safe life, an apt, food and so on.

so she didn't have the need to go on with this job.

i believed her and was happy when she told me she left this man.

before we lived together in this apt, she told me she was staying inher girlfriend house.

i followed her one day and found her in praca maua! , sitting infront of florida bar with her "girlfriend" and one guy from thailand or anywhere else.

she didn't recognize me, i hide myself and i saw how she left this place with this man to enter his car and drive away.

i ran after the car and when it stopped i opened the door and asked her what she is doing there.

she told me that she wanted to go to a "party" with her friend.

i wanted to make her company and she denied and drove away full speed with this man, leaving her "girlfriend" who was a pro in maua, behind.

so i started to ask her girlfriend what she was doing in this crappy place and she said one word: programa.

she will come back in 40 minutes!

i called her phone more than 10 times and convinced her to come back.

she still insists that she didn't do anything wrong there.

after this month we spend together she promissed me to wait for me in her girlfriends house until i come back to get her.

was a lie: only one day later she told me that she was back to her sugardaddy who agreed to finance her school.

we still have contact and she always says that she loves me and so on.

but i am a poor guy, student. what the f. she wants from a guy like mewhen she already has what she wants?

its the way i treat her so different, which makes her love me!

it all makes me confuse.

is she a pro or not?

she already does what she wants

why she needs someone like me?

i don't give her oney or anything. she paid the apt and i had to pay food and so on. this girl drives me crazy.

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Ryjerrob
01-31-08, 05:18
I won't judge, but what are you doing? You really need to know more about the whole scene, and lifestyle before you even consider paying for anything. The fact that you chased after her in a car is crazy, not to mention DANGEROUS. I really think you need to read through the various threads here.

ryjer

Chocha Monger
01-31-08, 05:33
Is she a pro or not?

SHE ALREADY DOES WHAT SHE WANTS

Why she needs someone like me?

RioNewbie she is a prostitute and she doesn't need you. She enjoys being the center of your universe and the constant attention that you lavish on her. In the end this pro and her drama is bad for your health. Do yourself a favor and ditch her quick! Do you really want some hardcore prostitute playing with your emotions?

Pipe Layer99
01-31-08, 05:47
Have fun - then leave.

Don't even try to put logic behind her behavior. She may be crazy!
And yes she is a pro - her friend told you she was doing a programma.
No, she doesn't need you, but I bet she likes the attention (or drama).

Solution - leave it alone and move on.


[QUOTE=RioNewbie]I wanna tell you about my story with a brazilian gilr in Rio.
So I started to ask her girlfriend what she was doing in this crappy place and she said one word: programa.
She will come back in 40 minutes!
But I am a poor guy, student. What the f. She wants from a guy like mewhen she already has what she wants?
Is she a pro or not?
Why she needs someone like me?
This girl drives me crazy.
[QUOTE]

Mr Enternational
01-31-08, 06:43
It was just another bullshit post.

Cho 637
01-31-08, 07:35
i wanna tell you about my story with a brazilian gilr in rio.

we met one year ago online and had contact by email, msn and telephone almost everyday.

one day she told me that she has a gringo sugardaddy who is living with her in rio. i was shocked but didn't stop contact to her.

so last year i met her in rio, 3 months, almost everyday, in hidden places, until she asked me to rent an apartment for one month because she had left her sugardaddy and wanted to live alone.

i accepted.

she had told me before that she had been doing this job before she had met her sugardaddy who gave her a safe life, an apt, food and so on.

so she didn't have the need to go on with this job.

i believed her and was happy when she told me she left this man.

before we lived together in this apt, she told me she was staying inher girlfriend house.

i followed her one day and found her in praca maua! , sitting infront of florida bar with her "girlfriend" and one guy from thailand or anywhere else.

she didn't recognize me, i hide myself and i saw how she left this place with this man to enter his car and drive away.

i ran after the car and when it stopped i opened the door and asked her what she is doing there.

she told me that she wanted to go to a "party" with her friend.

i wanted to make her company and she denied and drove away full speed with this man, leaving her "girlfriend" who was a pro in maua, behind.

so i started to ask her girlfriend what she was doing in this crappy place and she said one word: programa.

she will come back in 40 minutes!

i called her phone more than 10 times and convinced her to come back.

she still insists that she didn't do anything wrong there.

after this month we spend together she promissed me to wait for me in her girlfriends house until i come back to get her.

was a lie: only one day later she told me that she was back to her sugardaddy who agreed to finance her school.

we still have contact and she always says that she loves me and so on.

but i am a poor guy, student. what the f. she wants from a guy like mewhen she already has what she wants?

its the way i treat her so different, which makes her love me!

it all makes me confuse.

is she a pro or not?

she already does what she wants

why she needs someone like me?

i don't give her oney or anything. she paid the apt and i had to pay food and so on. this girl drives me crazy.

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

this reads like it was written by a garota.

BH Bound
01-31-08, 09:18
This reads like it was written by a garota.
haha straight up telenovela style

Felipe2006
01-31-08, 11:09
Guys,

"Rionewbie" has posted this same story for months on a German forum covering Brasil (a general forum, not a p4p site).

The consensus on the other forum seems to be that the story is full of bs. But who knows.

DJ FourMoney
01-31-08, 11:45
I second that brother. Unfortunately (or fortunately.. depending on how you look at it) for me the habit has turned into a lifestyle.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3PgZ9bqShc

RioNewbie
01-31-08, 15:52
RioNewbie she is a prostitute and she doesn't need you. She enjoys being the center of your universe and the constant attention that you lavish on her. In the end this pro and her drama is bad for your health. Do yourself a favor and ditch her quick! Do you really want some hardcore prostitute playing with your emotions?I really apreciate it.

You may be right but I still have many questions on my mind.

Her sugardaddy found out about me and her and threatened to kick her ass out of the house if she doesnt stop contact with me.

Many times she was forced to change her cellphone number.

But she always gave me the new number.

Why?

She risked so many times her safe life there, just to talk with a poor guy like me?

These things make me confuse but at the end I think you are right.

I'm only 27.

Maybe too young, maybe too unexperienced to see what is really going on.

You have much more experience than me.

The problem is, that I never met a girl like her before in my life.

She is almost perfect, the girl of my dreams.

Unfortunately she makes those things and shows me that there will never be a real chance to have a serious relationship with her.

She is only 21 and knows how to influence a man to get what she wants.

She is using me the same way she does with other guys.

The difference is, that I don't have to pay to sleep with her and that she doesnt want anything material from me, just the attention and affection she can't get from others, because I feel kind of love for her.

She knows that and thats why she doesnt want that I go out of her life.

Its sad, guys

Such a sweet girl she is.
thats life :(

RioNewbie
01-31-08, 15:58
I won't judge, but what are you doing? You really need to know more about the whole scene, and lifestyle before you even consider paying for anything. The fact that you chased after her in a car is crazy, not to mention DANGEROUS. I really think you need to read through the various threads here.

ryjerI accept every opinion.

Thats why I posted my story here.

I knew it was dangerous to run after this car!

Judge me as much as you want, but I still don't want to give up.

I still force myself to believe that I can be with her and that she can have a "normal" life one day.

I will try last time and talk to her about everything.

After that I will take a decision.

RioNewbie
01-31-08, 16:08
Guys, what would you do in my situation?

This sweet girl, the girl I feel so much for, asked me to visit her again in February. She wants to see me again and told me that she will pick me from airport and drive with me directly to the nearest hotel or motel to spend all day with me there.

Biruta
01-31-08, 21:05
I was in your situation more than once, that was over 20 years ago BUT the difference with you is that I was not in love with these girls.

I was just nice to them and no money whatsoever was involved but I knew that they were doing programas on the side.

So, its not something thats that unusual to happen, some of these girls can have feelings but however if you are in love you will get hurt eventually as they are used to get their money and they can never really get away from that life.

Just meet a non pro like i did eventually, there are plenty of them around.

Will be in Rio end of march for 3 weeks, shame we can not meet, i would show you the ropes.

El Austriaco
01-31-08, 21:07
Guys, what would you do in my situation?
Run, as fast as you can. Then run some more, even faster. And some more, even faster.

BTW, why is this even in "Non-Pro Garotas? I mean, you find her in Praca Maua sitting in front of Florida Bar (!), her "GF", who is a pro (!!), tells you flat out she is doing a "programa" (!!!), when you confront her, she lies to you about it (!!!!) and actually drives of with the other guy (!!!!!), and all of this is happening when she had told you that she wasn't working any more (!!!!!!). And even now, she still insists that she didn't do anything wrong there (!!!!!!!). Well, she might be right about that last part, though: she didn't do anything wrong, that's right. SHE JUST DID HER JOB!!!!!!

Seriously, how much more confirmation do you need that she is a PRO????

As to hoping that you and her can have a normal life: very, very unlikely. If you think that being a pathological liar is "normal", maybe.

Much more likely that you will have her povery-striken, absolutely crazy, mind-fuck life than the other way around. Believe me.

EA

P.S.: She might be waiting for you at the airport, but she won't be waiting until then. Guaranteed.

RioNewbie
01-31-08, 22:01
Run, as fast as you can. Then run some more, even faster. And some more, even faster.

BTW, why is this even in "Non-Pro Garotas? I mean, you find her in Praca Maua sitting in front of Florida Bar (!), her "GF", who is a pro (!!), tells you flat out she is doing a "programa" (!!!), when you confront her, she lies to you about it (!!!!) and actually drives of with the other guy (!!!!!), and all of this is happening when she had told you that she wasn't working any more (!!!!!!). And even now, she still insists that she didn't do anything wrong there (!!!!!!!). Well, she might be right about that last part, though: she didn't do anything wrong, that's right. SHE JUST DID HER JOB!!!!!!

Seriously, how much more confirmation do you need that she is a PRO????

As to hoping that you and her can have a normal life: very, very unlikely. If you think that being a pathological liar is "normal", maybe.

Much more likely that you will have her povery-striken, absolutely crazy, mind-fuck life than the other way around. Believe me.

EA

P.S.: She might be waiting for you at the airport, but she won't be waiting until then. Guaranteed.I know that she will not wait until then.

I know that for sure.

But I enjoy spending my time with her.

So what?

Ryjerrob
01-31-08, 22:19
EA, you are so right. Unfortunately, he'll probably need to learn the hard way. If you're here asking for advice on this topic, you're lost, or at least deeply confused. I hope RioNewbie figures it out before he gets taken advantage of.

ryjer

RioNewbie
01-31-08, 22:21
EA, you are so right. Unfortunately, he'll probably need to learn the hard way. If you're here asking for advice on this topic, you're lost, or at least deeply confused. I hope RioNewbie figures it out before he gets taken advantage of.

ryjerI'm deeply confused.

I don't know what to do.

On the one hand I have very strong feelings for her and on the other hand I know that I will never be able to live a normal life with her.

Its impossible.

Perkele
01-31-08, 22:51
I still force myself to believe that I can be with her and that she can have a "normal" life one day.

I will try last time and talk to her about everything.

After that I will take a decision.

Listen:

Once a ho, always a ho.

No return from dark side!!!

You may think that you can save her, but that´s mission impossible. Dark side is too strong.

Ryjerrob
01-31-08, 22:58
Listen:

Once a ho, always a ho.

No return from dark side!!!

You may think that you can save her, but that´s mission impossible. Dark side is too strong.


Use the force Luke!!!!!!!

David 35
01-31-08, 23:57
Simple truth about non pros and pros

We cannot monitor them while we are here in distant land and they do what ever they like there in thier land. Tried to talk to normal gals while in Rio last week and they were easiy to approch and the girls are very friendly. But I will not believe, unless you live thier we never will be able to keep them for us only, its mission impossible as one brother said

I will find them, fuck them and forget them, even though it is difficult to forget. Normal girl if I ever get invloved with will marry and settle and make children, I am looking for that holy grail and in Rio it is almost impossible.

Peace and happy hunting

David alias Colombaa

Ryjerrob
02-01-08, 02:25
Jedi touching in a galaxy far, far away.....................but I love her!!! Still using the force on all those GDP's that fall in love with my wallet.

ryjer

Chocha Monger
02-01-08, 05:48
Guys, what would you do in my situation?
I wouldn't tell her when I was arriving, then upon disembarking I'd head for the most expedient casa de putas and proceed to complete as many programas as possible. Only then, exhausted and broke, would I notify her of my arrival. If she asks why I didn't tell her when I was arriving I'd tell her that I thought that she'd be pleasantly surprised. Then I'd request free extractions of my remaining leche from that sweet thing. After all, that is the true meaning of love.

RioNewbie
02-01-08, 22:17
I was in your situation more than once, that was over 20 years ago BUT the difference with you is that I was not in love with these girls.

I was just nice to them and no money whatsoever was involved but I knew that they were doing programas on the side.

So, its not something thats that unusual to happen, some of these girls can have feelings but however if you are in love you will get hurt eventually as they are used to get their money and they can never really get away from that life.

Just meet a non pro like i did eventually, there are plenty of them around.

Will be in Rio end of march for 3 weeks, shame we can not meet, i would show you the ropes.I will be in Rio propably from February til end of March or start of April.

We could meet.

Hitmanm3
02-02-08, 04:15
I'm deeply confused.

I don't know what to do.

On the one hand I have very strong feelings for her and on the other hand I know that I will never be able to live a normal life with her.

Its impossible.Rionewbie,

Take it from a guy who has had his share of BUNDA. Once these girls get into the life they are ruined, so let it be. And as for a none garota being loyal I dought it. Unless you are going to settle down with her and bring her to the land of the free or where ever you live forget it. Chuck the experience to a good memory. It is hard to keep a relationship that far away alive. Unless you are going to pay her a visit every other week. People we are going to brazil to have fun and get our groove on. Atleast that is the way I live life in Brazil.

Biruta
02-02-08, 20:16
Ok Rionewbie,

I will let you know when I arrived and do listen about what everyone is telling you, FORGET that girl.

We will meet and I will help you forget her.

There are places to meet non pro and you are young and you will have no problem.

I am not so young and do not need searching anymore but will only be too glad to help you forget her.

Que Rico
02-03-08, 07:38
Rionewbie,

You remind me of guy named rolltide from CRT. Hummm. You know him?

My experience is once a girl gets a taste of the lifestyle they are ruined forever it so easy for them to sell themselves when in need of money rather then work at Zona sol bagging groceries for $20r a day. You say she is not working anymore? What do you think sugar daddy is? She is a live- in fanny!

Never has anyone ever taken the puta out of the puta. I know love is a powerful drug it makes us do things against all logic. Like this. You want to know why? Why she stays with you? Maybe the taste of normalcy helps her ease the pain of her lifestyle of using and being used. Just a Thought, Boa sorte.

Thanos
02-03-08, 18:48
Listen:

Once a ho, always a ho.

No return from dark side!!!

You may think that you can save her, but that´s mission impossible. Dark side is too strong.Truer words have never been spoken. I was in Help on Saturday night and ran into at least twenty gdps who are married to poor, unsuspecting husbands in the states and europe who have no idea that their sweet wives are in Help selling their bundas. A wise old brazilian guy once told me; "Putas never stop working. They just take vacations."

Thanos
02-03-08, 19:18
OK.. I should rephrase for you. I am a gringo and only know from my experience. Almost ALL of the ones I have met are possessive and jealous. Heck, I am too. I can only think of one gal that is not.

So you being brazilian have a different point of view (POV).

How long does it take for a GDP inside of Help or inside a terma to get possive or jealous? One drink or less.

We need to advise the newcomers to Brazil to be forewarned about the way they act.

I believe this is because they will stay with you for days, or want repeat business as the competition here is strong.A GDP in Help or a termas is NEVER jealous. that's all only a big act to make you think that its you they want and not your money. tell them you're broke and see how jealous they are when you talk to another girl. they could care less.

RioNewbie
02-04-08, 01:38
Rionewbie,

You remind me of guy named rolltide from CRT. Hummm. You know him?

My experience is once a girl gets a taste of the lifestyle they are ruined forever it so easy for them to sell themselves when in need of money rather then work at Zona sol bagging groceries for $20r a day. You say she is not working anymore? What do you think sugar daddy is? She is a live- in fanny!

Never has anyone ever taken the puta out of the puta. I know love is a powerful drug it makes us do things against all logic. Like this. You want to know why? Why she stays with you? Maybe the taste of normalcy helps her ease the pain of her lifestyle of using and being used. Just a Thought, Boa sorte.Yes, maybe you are right.

But the problem is that there are many women in brazil who now are middle-class, have family and work in banks or other facilities, where they earn very good money.

These women sold their asses too, when they were young, to finance their studies in university.

The fact is, that nobody knows about their past.

They now live a normal life, raise chidren and so on.

Some of them never stop, but some of them make it out of this scene.

Its not easy, but its possible.

Maybe I am naive, maybe I'm stupid, but I still hope.

Sorry guys

Off Road
02-04-08, 12:00
A GDP in Help or a termas is NEVER jealous. that's all only a big act to make you think that its you they want and not your money. tell them you're broke and see how jealous they are when you talk to another girl. they could care less.Maybe jealous is not the exact correct word. Possessive maybe. Because you are THEIR meal ticket. They do not want another gal cutting in on their territory.

JohnnyBraz
02-04-08, 12:25
Yes, maybe you are right.

But the problem is that there are many women in brazil who now are middle-class, have family and work in banks or other facilities, where they earn very good money.

These women sold their asses too, when they were young, to finance their studies in university.

The fact is, that nobody knows about their past.

They now live a normal life, raise chidren and so on.

Some of them never stop, but some of them make it out of this scene.

Its not easy, but its possible.

Maybe I am naive, maybe I'm stupid, but I still hope.

Sorry guysListen, who ever you are, I am starting to think that you are a gdp. Why else go on repatitive so naive. Want to know how we think?

Cho 637
02-04-08, 19:12
Listen, who ever you are, I am starting to think that you are a gdp. Why else go on repatitive so naive. Want to know how we think?
I said the same thing earlier.

Albert Punter
02-05-08, 04:38
Oh, yes. I bought many of those asses in the past.

However, let me make a question.
This thread is about non-pro garotas.
Why only posts about GDP here ?




...
These women sold their asses too, when they were young, to finance their studies in university.
...

Ee2002
02-05-08, 13:29
Because this is still a monger site and most guys on here that go to Rio mostly deal with GDP's. So it shouldn't be a surprise that the subject eventually go back to GDP's. If you want this thread to keep going on just non pros , it will eventually die out.

Albert Punter
02-06-08, 20:57
... however for people looking for infos on non-GDP it is a mess.
As a matter of fact, I had stopped searching infos I wanted.

Maybe just the thread title is wrong. Better should be GAROTAS - OPINIONS & ADVICE.

Jackson are you there ?


Because this is still a monger site and most guys on here that go to Rio mostly deal with GDP's. So it shouldn't be a surprise that the subject eventually go back to GDP's. If you want this thread to keep going on just non pros , it will eventually die out.

Pipe Layer99
02-07-08, 02:08
Most of the threads get mixed information. You can find info about apts and hotels in the General info and Rio reports threads. Thats just how it goes.

If you have specific questions about non-pros, ask them here. I'm sure some of the fellas will address them with their thoughts, ideas and experiences.


... however for people looking for infos on non-GDP it is a mess. As a matter of fact, I had stopped searching infos I wanted.

Maybe just the thread title is wrong. Better should be GAROTAS - OPINIONS & ADVICE

Dacian
02-08-08, 14:22
Personaly I like the idea of a non pro section. When ever I travle anywhere I tend to do a share of both p4p girls and regular girls, so to read interesting advice about where to find non pros (and I dont mean just the shopping malls and universities) is quite helpfull. I dont believe the thread would totaly die out although I agree perhaps it would get slow from time to time.

The ability to find clear and precise information, quickly with out getting lost in less relevent info is the secret to the thread being used and staying alive.

Albert Punter
02-10-08, 10:09
I couldn't state it better.


Personaly I like the idea of a non pro section. When ever I travle anywhere I tend to do a share of both p4p girls and regular girls, so to read interesting advice about where to find non pros (and I dont mean just the shopping malls and universities) is quite helpfull. I dont believe the thread would totaly die out although I agree perhaps it would get slow from time to time.

The ability to find clear and precise information, quickly with out getting lost in less relevent info is the secret to the thread being used and staying alive.

Jan 156
02-10-08, 15:12
I think it's maybe a good idea in the Brasil thread if only because the main boards get so cluttered IMHO.

I am concerned that people visiting Brasil for the first time find the boards simply too big to find the info they need.

In RJ, for instance, a separate thread is almost needed for reports that are exactly that - details of where to find GDP, when, how much, what was the experience like and so on.

Then you need the equivalent of a posts of distinction that lists posts not for their enthusiasm as for their basic value as tools. This includes Bubba's guide, which does have a separate thread, but also Sperto's map and other key posts that you might take with you so you can find GDP.

There's a place for general discussion - and many people who are familiar with Brasil like to share some good chit-chat about it - but it could be overwhelming to a newcomer.

Similarly, it's useful, I think, on the board of any country, to have a section on non-GDP to give a general idea. But it is far more down to opinion than where to find a GDP is. So it tends to go into discussion.

Mr Gogo
02-11-08, 17:16
I think it's maybe a good idea in the Brasil thread if only because the main boards get so cluttered IMHO.

I am concerned that people visiting Brasil for the first time find the boards simply too big to find the info they need.

In RJ, for instance, a separate thread is almost needed for reports that are exactly that - details of where to find GDP, when, how much, what was the experience like and so on.

Then you need the equivalent of a posts of distinction that lists posts not for their enthusiasm as for their basic value as tools. This includes Bubba's guide, which does have a separate thread, but also Sperto's map and other key posts that you might take with you so you can find GDP.

There's a place for general discussion - and many people who are familiar with Brasil like to share some good chit-chat about it - but it could be overwhelming to a newcomer.

Similarly, it's useful, I think, on the board of any country, to have a section on non-GDP to give a general idea. But it is far more down to opinion than where to find a GDP is. So it tends to go into discussion.The airfares from my hometown to gig just dropped.Ive been to the D.R. ten times in the last year and think ive graduated to brazil.This board has tons of info but its overwelming.Is flying an extra 5 hours and paying an extra 400$ justified versus D.R.?The girls look hot but can you develope a friendship,or is it strickly biz?the sex seems organized?..please tell me what the hell Brazil has over D.R. except hotter girls?..justify my insanity.

Ryjerrob
02-11-08, 21:13
The airfares from my hometown to gig just dropped.Ive been to the D.R. ten times in the last year and think ive graduated to brazil.This board has tons of info but its overwelming.Is flying an extra 5 hours and paying an extra 400$ justified versus D.R.?The girls look hot but can you develope a friendship,or is it strickly biz?the sex seems organized?..please tell me what the hell Brazil has over D.R. except hotter girls?..justify my insanity.

After 10 times to DR, I think you're ready for a change. For me, Brasil is a state of mind. It's hard for me to travel there with a posse. Doing my own thing is great fun. Doing Centro, and VM is just the greatest thing since slice bread. I will agree that the board can be overwhelming for a newbie. While the information is all here, you have to do some basic homework. As a whole, I think the board is very user friendly, but at times, we have a tendency to get off task/topic. I've seen so guys ask for help, but at times, the responses might be a little less than helpful. For me it's really more of a relief to know that others have had similar experiences. The single biggest thing I would tell any newbie is to be safe, safe, and safe, and to learn some basic language skills.

ryjer

The Watcher
02-11-08, 21:18
please tell me what the hell Brazil has over D.R. except hotter girls?..justify my insanity.

I think hotter girls is the only justification you need.

Seriously, Brasil is not as cheap as the D.R. If the extra $400 for the flight plus the extra dollars it will cost for the girls will create a financial hardship, then you should stay in the D.R. On the other hand, if you can spare the extra cash, the hotter girls, IMHO, justify the trip.

Ryjerrob
02-11-08, 21:38
I think hotter girls is the only justification you need.

Seriously, Brasil is not as cheap as the D.R. If the extra $400 for the flight plus the extra dollars it will cost for the girls will create a financial hardship, then you should stay in the D.R. On the other hand, if you can spare the extra cash, the hotter girls, IMHO, justify the trip.

You should at least try to do it once, if only to say you did.........


ryjer

El Austriaco
02-11-08, 22:03
Is flying an extra 5 hours and paying an extra 400$ justified versus D.R.?The girls look hot but can you develope a friendship,or is it strickly biz?the sex seems organized?..please tell me what the hell Brazil has over D.R. except hotter girls?..justify my insanity.
First of all, since this thread ("Non-Pros") has sort of veered off topic lately anyway, I think that your question is more suited for the "General Info" or possibly "Rio de Janeiro" board than this one. I do understand that occasionally, some posters like Rio Newbie might be confused as to whether a girl is a pro or a non-pro, but since you mention "strictly biz", I guess you are specifically inquiring about P4P. As someone who has a bit of experience in the DR and much more in Brazil, I will try to respond as to the non-pro aspects ("can you develop a friendship") of your question. For the P4P part, please see Bubba's guide, the most extensive resource on the subject right here on ISG (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2191&page=1&pp=15).

Like everyone else has said about non-pros in Brazil, the one key element to getting to know (and bedding them) is language skills... just like anywhere else. So if you speak Portuguese, getting to know non-pros in Brazil is pretty easy (although possibly not as easy as in Colombia, for example). If you don't speak Portuguese, getting away from the regular tourist zones will be hard... making it unlikely you will meet anything but pros. You don't already speak Portuguese, I would recommend you stick to the pros until you get a hang of the language. Don't worry, there are plenty of them.

As to meeting Brazilian women over the Internet, IMHO, it's not as easy as meeting Dominicanas, for example. Over the years, I have virtually met hundreds of Dominicanas on Amigos.com, for example, compared to maybe two handfuls of brasileiras.

Other than that, to answer your question as to why you should go to Brazil: DR is minor league, Rio de Janeiro is the World Series. In terms of number of girls, mongering options, girls looks, mongering around the clock, pricing options, Rio has it all. Rio as a city has more residents that the entire Dominican Republic. Think about it.

Hope this helps,

EA

Choddu
02-16-08, 00:16
Does anybody know any places in Rio where one can take Portugese lessons even on a short 4-5 day trip?

Edward M
02-16-08, 02:08
Does anybody know any places in Rio where one can take Portugese lessons even on a short 4-5 day trip?I have never been to the school but it looks pretty good and is reasonably priced. They are walking distance to 4x4 too. If you go there, please post a report about the experience. http://www.bridgeabroad.com/

Abzsafado
02-16-08, 03:40
Does anybody know any places in Rio where one can take Portugese lessons even on a short 4-5 day trip?
Get hold of some Pimsleur tapes or CD's they are one of the best ways of picking up the lingo. If you get the first one, 30 daily lessons, you should be able to get by.

Jan 156
02-16-08, 06:58
Does anybody know any places in Rio where one can take Portugese lessons even on a short 4-5 day trip?

Language School on left hand side of Princesa Isabel about a block before you reach the beach. Haggle. Or if you want it cheaper, get them to put you in touch with one of the freelancers they also liaise with.

Off Road
02-16-08, 16:23
Does anybody know any places in Rio where one can take Portugese lessons even on a short 4-5 day trip?Private tutor might be best, they run 50-75 an hour.. I know one american gal that is starting to do this, pm me if interested.

Cho 637
02-16-08, 19:54
Private tutor might be best, they run 50-75 an hour.. I know one american gal that is starting to do this, pm me if interested.

reals or dollars?

Combo
02-16-08, 21:14
Might I add that Rio is a trip every avid traveller, monger or not, should make in their lifetime. It's an amazing city. And the mongering is also great, even if not what it used to be.

BTW, is Help really closing?

Bravo
02-16-08, 22:17
reals or dollars?


50R an hour?! Even in reais, thats alot of money!! I used to pay about 100R a week (2hours a day, mon-friday).

Cho 637
02-17-08, 00:01
50R an hour?! Even in reais, thats alot of money!! I used to pay about 100R a week (2hours a day, mon-friday).

The school listed below (#140) charges $680 per week for private lessons (4 hrs. per day, 20 per week).

Prosal
02-17-08, 00:19
Does anybody know any places in Rio where one can take Portugese lessons ?
Worth the effort indeed.

You have to be able to flirt and keep a conversation going long enough that your target menina starts gaining interest.

Most mongers (incl. some advice-givers on this thread) can't even hold a simple conversation with the brasilian freebies they'd like to fuck. Good luck.

Perkele
02-17-08, 12:30
Worth the effort indeed.

You have to be able to flirt and keep a conversation going long enough that your target menina starts gaining interest.

Most mongers (incl. some advice-givers on this thread) can't even hold a simple conversation with the brasilian freebies they'd like to fuck. Good luck.

Muito engraçado. Concordo totalmente.

Jesuscola
02-17-08, 12:43
Worth the effort indeed.

You have to be able to flirt and keep a conversation going long enough that your target menina starts gaining interest.

Most mongers (incl. some advice-givers on this thread) can't even hold a simple conversation with the brasilian freebies they'd like to fuck. Good luck.


I FULLY agree as well. Some mongers have been coming for years, and still can only barely manage a mangled, "Awbrigawdooo." If that's all you can speak, your ego will be in for a bit of a fall with normal girls.

And the part about "flirt and keep a conversation going," brings up another point I had thought about making. You have to have some kind of SOCIAL SKILLS if you're going to talk to non-pros. You have to learn to talk to women in a way that is interesting and/or entertaining to them. And, yes, this can be learned.

Jan 156
02-17-08, 14:03
You have to have some kind of SOCIAL SKILLS if you're going to talk to non-pros. You have to learn to talk to women in a way that is interesting and/or entertaining to them. And, yes, this can be learned.

Learning to be a good (and considerate) dancer is also a bonus. ie Forro or other mainstream *Brasilian* dancing. (Plenty of places give lessons.) I think Forro is the most useful in RJ, although hip-hop is cool in Lapa too. If you can dance salsa you can bluff the man's part in samba but it's not enough to give you a strong connection. Forro is very interactive - you have to link mentally to make it work ;-)

Off Road
02-17-08, 15:00
reals or dollars?Reias.. for private lessions this is not a bad rate.. and this is in your home.. I have not done this. I did Berlitz in USA and for private lessons, they are very expensive.

Off Road
02-17-08, 15:06
Learning to be a good (and considerate) dancer is also a bonus. ie Forro or other mainstream *Brasilian* dancing. (Plenty of places give lessons.) I think Forro is the most useful in RJ, although hip-hop is cool in Lapa too. If you can dance salsa you can bluff the man's part in samba but it's not enough to give you a strong connection. Forro is very interactive - you have to link mentally to make it work ;-)
I wish I could make my body cooperate with Forro. The mans part looks so simple. Forro will work in just about any city. I can do Funk though, that is a bit easier, but more of an indication of favela person. Interestingly it is not allowed in Fortaleza.

Jan 156
02-17-08, 16:24
I wish I could make my body cooperate with Forro. The mans part looks so simple.

I don't claim expertise but I can pass muster. The hardest thing is hearing the rythmn, whichcomes very naturally to Brasilians and is very unnatural for westerners. You learn the basic side-to-side step on your own before trying it with a woman. That "One-two-three-and" has to become imprinted on your brain. This is because when you do it with her (her part is the same only in reverse) you have to be perfectly synchronised. This goes for many dances, but with Forro you have the added distraction of near-constant groin-to-groin (or near groin to groin) contact. Then add the basic forward-and-back step. When you can switch easily between them you have enough to get you through one dance. Remember dancing is about making the woman look good. Keep the attention on her, the focus on her. When you start talking you will find out useful information that way.

btw When you say the beat out loud, it seems the same as salsa. But the feeling as you move is very different. If you have done salsa you have to unlearn that mental attitude to do forro.

Many Americans think chatting up a woman is about spending money. This confuses the issue unless she's one of those women who are only interested in the size of your wallet. If you want to entrance her, you have to switch that fascination she has for your wallet to a fascination with your mind, your feelings, your body And that means in terms of what they can do for her, making her feel good.

Bravo
02-17-08, 18:12
Worth the effort indeed.

You have to be able to flirt and keep a conversation going long enough that your target menina starts gaining interest.

Most mongers (incl. some advice-givers on this thread) can't even hold a simple conversation with the brasilian freebies they'd like to fuck. Good luck.


To hell with that language crab, all you need is a strong grip. Go to any night club in Rio and watch the young guys! They dont waste time sweet talking women, they just grab them by the arm and drag them into a corner and start kissing on her. If she doesnt like him, he just grabs the next one until he is successfull. LOL Ive seen it a million times and surprisingly, it works!!!!

Thanos
02-18-08, 04:55
To hell with that language crab, all you need is a strong grip. Go to any night club in Rio and watch the young guys! They dont waste time sweet talking women, they just grab them by the arm and drag them into a corner and start kissing on her. If she doesnt like him, he just grabs the next one until he is successfull. LOL Ive seen it a million times and surprisingly, it works!!!!Except most mongers aren't young guys. There's a reason you don't see old guys grabbing girls and kissing them. Brazilians are very superficial. The number one attraction is LOOKS. If a girl doesn't find you attractive physically you can speak all of the perfect portuguese in the world. It won't matter. After that you only need basic language skills. If they like what they see they'll find a way to communicate.

Mr Enternational
02-18-08, 09:31
To hell with that language crab, all you need is a strong grip. Go to any night club in Rio and watch the young guys! They dont waste time sweet talking women, they just grab them by the arm and drag them into a corner and start kissing on her. If she doesnt like him, he just grabs the next one until he is successfull. LOL Ive seen it a million times and surprisingly, it works!!!!

That reminds me of an episode (Sabado) of City of Men when they were having a contest to see how many girls they could kiss at the baile funk party. All you have to do is ask. That is generally for younger women though. A friend of mine in Rio hated when I used to go to Via Show. She said that I can easily kiss 6 girls in 1 night and thinking of it made her jealous. That's not really my game though.

Prosal
02-18-08, 12:28
To hell with that language crab, all you need is a strong grip. Go to any night club in Rio grab them by the arm and drag them into a corner
Really ?

Try to grab any girl, or even chat up the wrong garota, in upper-range Zona Sul or Barra de Tijuca clubs like Baronetti, Nuth, Sao Thome, Bombar, ect, and it won't take long before YOU will be grabbed by some edgy and half-drunk Gracie jiu-jitsu pit boys under steroids (the majority of the male clientele in those places) delighted to have found a foolish gringo to beat up to death.

Same for Zona Norte bailes funk. It will not be misshapen thugs but skinny and vicious-looking favelados, and the potential consequences will be worse.

Brasilian guys HATE when sex-hungry gringos try to steal their prime women, and it's worth being very careful if pissing on their shoes, on their home turf.

Your tactical recommandation is not that wise IMHO.

:rolleyes:

Bravo
02-18-08, 15:47
Really ?

Try to grab any girl, or even chat up the wrong garota, in upper-range Zona Sul or Barra de Tijuca clubs like Baronetti, Nuth, Sao Thome, Bombar, ect, and it won't take long before YOU will be grabbed by edgy and half-drunk Gracie jiu-jitsu pitt boys under steroids (the majority of the male clientele in those places) delighted to have found a foolish gringo to beat up to death.

Same for Zona Norte bailes funk. It will not be misshapen pitt thugs but skinny and vicious-looking favelados, but the potential consequences will be worse.

Brasilian guys HATE when sex-hungry gringos try to steal their prime women, and it's worth being very careful if pissing on their shoes, on their home turf.

Your tactical recommandation is not that wise IMHO.

:rolleyes:

It was a joke bro! Thats why I included "LOL" so you would know I wasnt serious. Yes, that technique works for Brasilians (Ive personally seen it in Nuth, The Bedroom and W), but as an American, I would never try that.

Prosal
02-18-08, 16:42
It was a joke bro!.
My bad. I thought you were serious. :)

Nevertheless better remind the newbies that Brasil is not a carefree sex-paradise where all people are friendly and easy-going. Some brasilian guys, and especially some of those carioca retarded pit boys, are horribly rude, aggressive, and often obvious gringo-haters. Anyone who has spent more than one afternoon in Porto Seguro, where they go in vacations in hords, knows how unfriendly and annoying brasilian pit guys are.

In Moldova also, I always check and double-check if the single hot dyev I've targetted is really single and not accompanied by ape-looking flatheads.

In Brasil as in FSU, serious troubles with a pissed-off local thug or criminal does certainly not add to travel pleasure. Better avoid chatting up the wrong girl.

Ryjerrob
02-18-08, 21:55
At what point does friendly advice stop being friendly, and not a pissing match about who does what, with what girl, and where. I go to to these clubs, have a great time, and that's it. I'm personally not in the habit of trying to make out with as many girls as possible in any club. Baronetti, and Nuth are great clubs. From what I've experienced, if you treat people with respect, they're more likely to accept you. I have met girls from these clubs before, and that was it. I usually don't walk into every situation worrying about scoring. You can have more fun if you work on meeting people, and then setting up something for the next time. I've hit it off with some great guys that were sports fans, and after a night of drinking and talking shit, have invited me out with their group. It's good fun, no matter how you look at it.

ryjer

Albert Punter
02-19-08, 22:23
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Mr Enternational
02-22-08, 15:14
I just want to reiterate the importance of having an apartment with a good doorman. The place where I am staying now has a person at the front but it is a free roaming building so he is really only there to answer questions and I guess so he will have a job. He is in no way any type of security and they only lock the front door at night. After which, he will still let anybody in who comes up to the door.

Yesterday about 2pm I got up with Burnmax but I had talked to one of my non-pros and she insisted that I had to meet her right away. So I didn´t get to go to centro with him as I had planned. She tried to call around to find a friend for him but everyone was at work.

Later that night, around 8:30 or so we returned to the apartment. I was dead tired because I had only gotten 3 hours sleep on the plane the night before. I layed across the bed and closed my eyes to relax thinking that she would take a shower first, then I could go take one. She saw me laying there and assumed I didn´t want to fuck. So she asked would it be okay for her to go get someone off the street and bring him back to fuck her. I told her that it was fine with me. I would watch. So she gathered her things and left. I thought good, she won´t be coming back. I noticed that she had left her sunglasses by mistake. So I hit Burnmax with a text to go to VM but I didn´t get a response. I went outside and saw that her car was gone.

I called another non-pro who lives on Nossa Senhora. I went to her house but she was baby sitting her sister´s kids. She said that her sister would be home from work soon though. When her sister arrived we took off to my apartment. She stayed the night. I am thinking there is no way the other chick is coming back to get these sunglasses, at least not without calling first to make sure I am here. Well this morning about 9ish she showed up unannounced ringing the buzzer. I knew it was her. Who else could it have been. The other chick wanted me to go to the door but I refused. I heard my cell phone vibrating in my bag. Then she started banging on the door saying my name and saying it was her and she only wanted to get her sunglasses that she had left. So the other chick decides she is going to get up and answer the door. NO hell you are not. I pull her back down in the bed and tell her to keep her ass quiet and play possum. She finally leaves and five minutes later the other chick gets up and says she is going home. I asked her why but she would only say because. She never asked for an explanation although the chips would have been stacked in my favor towards one seeing that nothing in the apartment had been dissheveled before her arrival.

Neither of them will probably talk to me again, but this whole thing is come and go revolving door style. Some stay a little longer than others. I still have many more in my private pond and just think how many there are in the ocean. It´s 11:07am here in Rio. Time for me to do some more fishing.

Bravo
02-22-08, 15:44
Mr Enternational, bad doormen are par for the course. I thnk I must have heard about 75 different horror stories all steming from doormen letting garotas up to the apartment without calling first. Ive also heard of doormen telling girls that the guy is upstairs with another girl, when he refuses to answer/open the door.

I think its a combination of the doormen just being plain lazy, plus, the fact that they are jealous of us. I believe that it burns them up to see us Americans coming to Rio with pockets full of money and banging pros and regular girls! They probably get a good laugh out of messing things up for us.

Jan 156
02-23-08, 23:49
I agree they are par for the course, but sometimes there are exceptions and I don't make assumptions. Those at Aparthotel are excellent. They can't totally police the elevator but they are more part of the service than is often the case. I've called them to sort out disputes for instance.

Some apartments have a large number of doormen. Others just have two or three. In that case I often try to get on with them - a six pack of beers or grabbing a burger for them when they are stranded on the night shift costs little and can get someone on-side.

Bear in mind they are not mind readers. Many garotas can be very convincing. Have you left detailed instructions on who should be let up and who shouldn't? Is there a good intercom and is it the done thing to always phone up (and do you answer . . . ) Sometimes you can switch your tv to a channel that simply puts you thru to the security camera at the front desk. I always look out for a girl I am expecting. And I never open the door to one I am not (except to bawl her out).

With some apartments, the doorman will want to feel part of the community of the regular people that live there. He will pass on gossip about the disgusting activities that you get up to. You are simply a low form of life.

Ryjerrob
02-24-08, 16:16
Back in May of 2007 I had an issue of being caught in my apt by another girl who was pounding on the door for about 20 minutes. The girl that was in the apt. was wanting to leave. Long story short, at one point, one girl pulled a knife on the other. Before it got ugly, the one left.

Not to say it was the doorman, or lack of, more like my lack of preparedness. I have since done what others do, I pass out a little cash to the night, and morning guys. Giving these guys a little something something on the side may help your cause. Hell, I even paid R$50 for a BJ for one guy.................covered of course!

ryjer

Prosal
02-29-08, 11:30
You guys crack me up. At what point does friendly advice stop being friendly, and not a pissing match about who does what, with what girl, and where.
No sweat off others.

Occasional "war stories" do tell more about the regular brasileira's psyche and are more valuable to the guys reading this particular thread than an anecdote about some hardened favela hoes pulling knives in your Copacabana apartment.

:rolleyes:

Cons68
03-02-08, 23:43
Yep. Looks are very important. You can also play the foreigner thing (especially if you are well travelled) with low-middle class girls who would like to travel to Europe... But they are very superficial. I would advise against having a serious relationship with a Brazilian girl.


Except most mongers aren't young guys. There's a reason you don't see old guys grabbing girls and kissing them. Brazilians are very superficial. The number one attraction is LOOKS. If a girl doesn't find you attractive physically you can speak all of the perfect portuguese in the world. It won't matter. After that you only need basic language skills. If they like what they see they'll find a way to communicate.

Jesuscola
03-03-08, 15:36
Except most mongers aren't young guys. There's a reason you don't see old guys grabbing girls and kissing them. Brazilians are very superficial. The number one attraction is LOOKS. If a girl doesn't find you attractive physically you can speak all of the perfect portuguese in the world. It won't matter. After that you only need basic language skills. If they like what they see they'll find a way to communicate.

Actually, I beg to differ. A guy who knows what to say to a woman will do far better than a better looking guy who has no idea how to talk to her. This is true all over the world. I've spent a lot of time watching people interact in both clubs in the US and Brazil. A good looking guy walks up to a hot girl. She's interested. He's looking at her like he's a little stunned to be talking to a girl this hot. She loses interest.

A guy who's not as good looking walks up to her and talks to her boldly. His manner tells her that he is used to talking to women like her and completely comfortable with himself. She's interested.

It's all in the body language and what you communicate beyond your words. Women look at how you interact with her, with other women, with people, and that tells her who you are, how you view your place in the world. They weigh that much more heavily than looks.

Said another way, every woman knows tons of good looking guys who just "don't get it," when it comes to women, and when she finds a man who exhibits the qualites of a "real man," the type of man she's been waiting to meet, she will react to that much more strongly than chiseled features and a six-pack.

And all of this, fortunately for men, can be learned. But it takes a lot of effort, and soul searching honesty.

There are guys who say, "American women are shallow. All they want to know is how much money you make." There are guys who say, "Brazilian women are shallow. All they care about is looks." But maybe all these women are attracted to the same things, but most men don't get it, so since finding that type of guy is so rare, women settle for something else.

George90
03-03-08, 16:15
but maybe all these women are attracted to the same things, but most men don't get it, so since finding that type of guy is so rare, women settle for something else.

count me in with those men who don't get it. perhaps this post is better in the american women thread but i want to respond to jc.

i had the tv on while doing some chores around the house. i had flipped to the women's channel we. there was a series called "secret lives of women". the episode that caught me attention was one about women who go for bad boys, ie. criminals. they showed the cases of 5 or 6 women who fell in love with men in prisons, men convicted or [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), murder, armed robbery etc., married them and had children with them. richard ramirez, the night stalker of the 1980's who raped and murdered over 20 women, had dozens of groupies and married one of them. they also interviewed academics who made careers out of researching this type of woman.

the women themselves were unable to state any coherent reason why they married these men. the common theme was that they saw his face on tv or in the newspaper and immediately felt this was the man for her. then they stalked the convict until he agreed to marry her. the convicts said they were lonely and needed someone on the outside who could do things for them. they told these women whatever they wanted to hear to get them under their spell and control.

i hope brazilian women are different then american women is that respect. i disagree with the notion that we men should learn to appear different from our true selves in order to score. putting on a false front only attracts women who do the same, and reinforces the sense of mistrust that many women have for men. i suggest being yourself. you won't attract every woman in the world but you will attract enough to keep you busy for a long time.

Biruta
03-03-08, 16:25
Brazilian women love blue or green eyes, never have I being complimented on my eyes but in Brazil.

Looks and age is not so important in Brazil as long as you are still fine physically, that is one of the difference with women from US or Europe.

Jesuscola
03-03-08, 17:00
count me in with those men who don't get it. perhaps this post is better in the american women thread but i want to respond to jc.

i had the tv on while doing some chores around the house. i had flipped to the women's channel we. there was a series called "secret lives of women". the episode that caught me attention was one about women who go for bad boys, ie. criminals. they showed the cases of 5 or 6 women who fell in love with men in prisons, men convicted or [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), murder, armed robbery etc., married them and had children with them. richard ramirez, the night stalker of the 1980's who raped and murdered over 20 women, had dozens of groupies and married one of them. they also interviewed academics who made careers out of researching this type of woman.

the women themselves were unable to state any coherent reason why they married these men. the common theme was that they saw his face on tv or in the newspaper and immediately felt this was the man for her. then they stalked the convict until he agreed to marry her. the convicts said they were lonely and needed someone on the outside who could do things for them. they told these women whatever they wanted to hear to get them under their spell and control.

i hope brazilian women are different then american women is that respect.

obviously, this is not your average american woman.


i disagree with the notion that we men should learn to appear different from our true selves in order to score. putting on a false front only attracts women who do the same, and reinforces the sense of mistrust that many women have for men. i suggest being yourself. you won't attract every woman in the world but you will attract enough to keep you busy for a long time.

i'm not talking about appearing to be different from your true self, i'm talking about learning to truly become a better man. it's an important distinction. you can't fake it with women for long. they will smell you out. it's what they're built to do.

nonetheless, there's plenty of good information--for free--out there on the internet. it just takes some searching and an open mind.

jc

Rio Joe
03-03-08, 20:59
A guy who knows what to say to a woman will do far better than a better looking guy who has no idea how to talk to her....
And all of this, fortunately for men, can be learned. But it takes a lot of effort, and soul searching honesty....
JC, Great post. Have you read Neil Strauss' "The Game"?

Rio Joe
03-03-08, 22:01
Unlike brasileiras who remain relatively decent when they party, slavic women like to have absolutely unbridled drunken parties and fuck the shit out of each other like animals. With EE girls you must forget all decency. They really want you to behave just like that.;)
Are they really like that? I gotta get my sorry ass to EE. The only slavic girls I've known in the sex bix were porn girls, including Silvia Saint my "ex-wife" (at least on film; check out "Private Porn Vacation 1: Tenerife"). They were stunning to look at, but they seemed oddly "dispassionate." Even around guys with much more formidable equipment than me.

Prosal
03-03-08, 22:33
Are they really like that?
Yeah, women are wilder in this part of the world, there's no way to deny it.

The brasileiras (non putas) reputation for being the most liberal and sexually uninhibited women on earth is totally over-rated.

I think that most are contrarily quite conservative. Remember that there are some 38.000.000 born-again-Xtian evangelists in Brasil. It's revealing IMHO.

Albert Punter
03-04-08, 05:57
I think your analysis is quite right.
"Savoir faire" or "know-how" are important.
Don't we call it charm ?

Probably same concept is applicable to us as well.
Men are attracted by look, but we value other things which attract us more, even if our target is just sleeping with a girl, and not marrying her.


Actually, I beg to differ. A guy who knows what to say to a woman will do far better than a better looking guy who has no idea how to talk to her. This is true all over the world. I've spent a lot of time watching people interact in both clubs in the US and Brazil. A good looking guy walks up to a hot girl. She's interested. He's looking at her like he's a little stunned to be talking to a girl this hot. She loses interest.

A guy who's not as good looking walks up to her and talks to her boldly. His manner tells her that he is used to talking to women like her and completely comfortable with himself. She's interested.

It's all in the body language and what you communicate beyond your words. Women look at how you interact with her, with other women, with people, and that tells her who you are, how you view your place in the world. They weigh that much more heavily than looks.

Said another way, every woman knows tons of good looking guys who just "don't get it," when it comes to women, and when she finds a man who exhibits the qualites of a "real man," the type of man she's been waiting to meet, she will react to that much more strongly than chiseled features and a six-pack.

And all of this, fortunately for men, can be learned. But it takes a lot of effort, and soul searching honesty.

There are guys who say, "American women are shallow. All they want to know is how much money you make." There are guys who say, "Brazilian women are shallow. All they care about is looks." But maybe all these women are attracted to the same things, but most men don't get it, so since finding that type of guy is so rare, women settle for something else.

Jesuscola
03-04-08, 14:11
JC, Great post. Have you read Neil Strauss' "The Game"?

Thanks. I have, actually. But I've been a part of the same circles he learned in for 3 1/2 years now. I remember back when "Style" was this legend who asked that all his posts be pulled and everyone wanted to know where to find them. This was long before most people knew he was Neil Strauss, and a year before the book came out. Heh.

Jan 156
03-11-08, 21:26
thanks. i have, actually. but i've been a part of the same circles he learned in for 3 1/2 years now. i remember back when "style" was this legend who asked that all his posts be pulled and everyone wanted to know where to find them. this was long before most people knew he was neil strauss, and a year before the book came out. heh.

it's a good book, but takes a long time to read. a faster one is player's handbook by tommy orlando. you can read it in half an hour and is a good reminder of stuff you will have on auto-reflex if you are any sort of player at all. but most of this stuff is based either on a) long anecdotes from people who've learnt how to do it, or b) the psychological principles behind them. strauss is at least honest enough to acknowledge people like grindler who pioneered it (but is too heavy going for a beginner unless you've studied psychology). orlando just effectively rips off grandmasters like ross jeffries without giving any credit at all.

all this stuff only applies really to hunting non-pros. it's not sexist - it's about giving women what they (really) want in terms of the chat-up, date, and closing the deal. it doesn't apply to pros cos they really do want your cash, no.1.

i rarely chat up non-pros in rio as a good number of odds are against you, but there is no reason that makes it impossible (as i've discovered when the fancy took me). but you can polish your skills better at home. rio lets you cop out by paying to 'win' when your technique isn't up to speed (especially getting the numbers up in limited time, in a strange environment, in a foreign language). i hesitate about even saying this much - those who know don't need the hint and those that don't will probably think they know better.

Doggus
03-11-08, 22:18
Heading to SP for vacation in May and will be staying in itaim Bibi with a view to meeting non-pros in the local bars and malls.

Can anyone recommend a beach or holiday type resort/area that isn't too far from SP where I may have some luck in meeting local non-pros?

Many Thanks!

Rio Joe
03-11-08, 22:33
rio lets you cop out by paying to 'win' when your technique isn't up to speed (especially getting the numbers up in limited time, in a strange environment, in a foreign language). that's the worst thing about having an upcoming trip to rio: sometimes when i should be out meeting non-pros, i get lazy and tell myself, "f*ck it. you'll have all the girls you want next week in brazil"

Prosal
03-11-08, 23:16
Can anyone recommend a beach or holiday type resort/area that isn't too far from SP where I may have some luck in meeting local non-pros?
Sao Paulo Litoral Norte. Surroundings are truly beautiful (think Copacabana, Ipanema or Sao Conrado without buildings and favelas and with the Mata Atlantica just behind) and it's very happening during long weekends and vacations. The best beaches are Guaruja, Camburi and Maresias, which is a favorite for pot-smokers and has a very laid back, surfer vibe, and all have nice waves for who likes body surf. Ilhabela is good also.

There's a fantastic party scene from Dec till Feb when it's overflowing with super hot Paulistas and Paranaenses. Galeao in Camburi and Sirena in Maresias are both ranked among the top-ten clubs in Brasil ... the most famous international DJs perform there regularly. Non-pro potential is very good in both places yet I've personally had better chances in Galeao.

For accommodation in Camburi, I strongly recommand the Pousada Canto do Camburi. http://www.pousadacantodocamburi.com.br/index_p.html

Also I don't recall ever running in Litoral Norte into any gringos, and this only justify the stay there IMHO. You are right to venture out of *****mongers & Piranhas Central (Copacabana). Go where others don't and things will be much more enthralling, interesting and fun.

Dr Pleasure
03-11-08, 23:21
Actually, I beg to differ. A guy who knows what to say to a woman will do far better than a better looking guy who has no idea how to talk to her. This is true all over the world. I've spent a lot of time watching people interact in both clubs in the US and Brazil. A good looking guy walks up to a hot girl. She's interested. He's looking at her like he's a little stunned to be talking to a girl this hot. She loses interest.

A guy who's not as good looking walks up to her and talks to her boldly. His manner tells her that he is used to talking to women like her and completely comfortable with himself. She's interested.

It's all in the body language and what you communicate beyond your words. Women look at how you interact with her, with other women, with people, and that tells her who you are, how you view your place in the world. They weigh that much more heavily than looks.

Said another way, every woman knows tons of good looking guys who just "don't get it," when it comes to women, and when she finds a man who exhibits the qualites of a "real man," the type of man she's been waiting to meet, she will react to that much more strongly than chiseled features and a six-pack.

And all of this, fortunately for men, can be learned. But it takes a lot of effort, and soul searching honesty.

There are guys who say, "American women are shallow. All they want to know is how much money you make." There are guys who say, "Brazilian women are shallow. All they care about is looks." But maybe all these women are attracted to the same things, but most men don't get it, so since finding that type of guy is so rare, women settle for something else.Very well said. I'm definitely not as good-looking and in shape as I used to be 10 years ago, but I score with women 10x as often and I could never pull the quality back then that I do now. It's the girls perception of your status in the social ladder which is most important.

Doggus
03-11-08, 23:40
Thanks again Prosal for a very helpful and informative response - the place in link looks ideal.
One final question, do you think it will sufficiently busy at the end of May? I realise it's not peak holiday time but I'm hoping there will still be enough action then.

Thanks!



Sao Paulo Litoral Norte. Surroundings are truly beautiful (imagine Copacabana or Ipanema without buildings and favelas and with the Mata Atlantica just behind) and it's very happening during long weekends and vacations. The best beaches are Guaruja, Ilhabela, Camburi and Maresias, which are favorites for pot-smokers, with a laid back, surfer vibe (there's nice waves for who likes body surf).

There's a fantastic party scene and from Dec till Feb it's overflowing with super hot Paulistas. Galeao in Camburi and Sirena in Mariesas are both ranked among the top-ten clubs in Brasil. Most most famous international DJS have performed there already. Non-pro potential is very good in both places yet I've personnaly had better chances in Galeao .. it's literally a meat market during summer holidays.

For accomodation in Camburi, I strongly recommand the Pousada Canto do Camburi. http://www.pousadacantodocamburi.com.br/index_p.html

Also I don't recall ever running in Litoral Norte into any gringos other than some SP expats, and this only justify the stay there IMO. You are right to venture out of *****monger Central (Copacabana). Go where others don't and things are much more enthralling, interesting and fun.

Prosal
03-12-08, 07:57
the place in link looks ideal
Yeah, it's not luxurious but a super nice place to stay. A true haven. Unfortunately at 380 reals/day it's totally outpriced now, like all hotels in Brasil.

A modest brasilian beach pousada is nowadays more expensive than the Four Seasons Jimbaran Bali or the Grand Hyatt Erawan Bangkok. Go figure !

About Litoral Norte in May, it should be ok if the weather is good. Don't expect an atmosphere comparable to summer holidays yet.

BTW forget about Ubatuba, further north on Litoral on the way to Paraty. Brasilians use to call it "Ubachuva" (chuva=rain). Same shitty climate in Angra dos Reis.

Jesuscola
03-12-08, 12:50
All this stuff only applies really to hunting non-pros.

Actually, I've "gamed" at least a dozen pros, had wonderful sex, and never gave them a dime or bought them anything. 2 of those lasted for months. It's hard as hell, but not impossible.

Exec Talent
03-12-08, 13:25
Rio is a very interesting place for observing human interactions and dynamics. Many of the pros are only focused on money. Many guys come looking for a way to be the one that they sleep with without paying. Does that happen? Sure it does. But, when it does, I don't know how much of it is a "game." Often it happens when a guy treats a girl like a person and not as a sex object. Many guys here for a week or two now and then just want to have sex. But, if you are the guy they feel comfortable with and whose focus is not how fast you can get them out of their clothes they become intrigued. If you know how to treat and please a woman, they become obsessed. And, not with money.

Also, as the exchange rate has become less favorable for Americans, I have noticed some of my old friends returning to Rio. The girls are shared resources and many of them were not happy sharing with some of the guys frequenting Rio over the past three years. With these guys, buying a girl a house, car, apartment is like buying them dinner at Porcão. I am amazed at how often these girls, looking only at dinheiro, will turn these guys off because all they are thinking about is the next R$140. The biggest turn-off for guys with money, is people who value money over relationships. For them, making money is a game. A way to keep score. However, the relationships and values they hold true are much more valuable to them than money. They can alway make more if they need it.

Jesuscola
03-13-08, 12:28
Rio is a very interesting place for observing human interactions and dynamics. Many of the pros are only focused on money. Many guys come looking for a way to be the one that they sleep with without paying. Does that happen? Sure it does. But, when it does, I don't know how much of it is a "game." Often it happens when a guy treats a girl like a person and not as a sex object. Many guys here for a week or two now and then just want to have sex. But, if you are the guy they feel comfortable with and whose focus is not how fast you can get them out of their clothes they become intrigued. If you know how to treat and please a woman, they become obsessed. And, not with money.

Agreed. But these girls can keep you on your toes ;o)


Also, as the exchange rate has become less favorable for Americans, I have noticed some of my old friends returning to Rio. The girls are shared resources and many of them were not happy sharing with some of the guys frequenting Rio over the past three years. With these guys, buying a girl a house, car, apartment is like buying them dinner at Porcão. I am amazed at how often these girls, looking only at dinheiro, will turn these guys off because all they are thinking about is the next R$140. The biggest turn-off for guys with money, is people who value money over relationships. For them, making money is a game. A way to keep score. However, the relationships and values they hold true are much more valuable to them than money. They can alway make more if they need it.

Well the problem is that most women will automatically judge a man who throws his money at her too easily and slot him into a certain category. In many a woman's mind (and this is not just Brazilian women), that can put him on the back burner for "relationship material." This is why I've heard so many American men complain that in the US, you have to take a woman to dinner for six months and then HOPE she will sleep with you. Obviously, this is ludicrous.

A woman wants to work for a good man's attention. She wants to have to do more than look good and maybe have sex with him. If she doesn't have to do much more than that, in her mind, he must not be a "good man." Maybe strange, but no use trying to change them. They seem to be hardwired that way...

"Potential boyfriends" is how a woman keeps score.

Interesting discussion.

Jan 156
03-14-08, 02:06
Actually, I've "gamed" at least a dozen pros, had wonderful sex, and never gave them a dime or bought them anything. 2 of those lasted for months. It's hard as hell, but not impossible.

A woman wants to work for a good man's attention. She wants to have to do more than look good and maybe have sex with him. If she doesn't have to do much more than that, in her mind, he must not be a "good man." Maybe strange, but no use trying to change them. They seem to be hardwired that way...

Absolutely.

The time I pulled a girl in Help (and got her to pay for lunch) was when there used to be a 2nd, smaller, Brasilian music dancefloor thru a door at the back where the entrance to the bathrooms are.

I was on autopilot, not really looking for a chick. I sorted out the group thing first by making friends with the DJ as he was the 'man', the alpha male, and then drawing attention by dancing funk with some hot chicks there. I noticed this really gorgeous girl who was looking a bit down, so I did a non- chat-up approach to establish her comfort zone. Listened to her story - she'd been beaten to a rich punter by someone who was supposed to be her friend. I made here laugh a bit then we went thru to the main dance hall (make her feel good and look good - changing scene and mood and associating the change with me). We got back to the apartment cos by the end of the night she didn't want to be alone of course after this. Both quite sober. She stayed and I said I didn't want to have sex with her cos that would make it like the general pick-up at Help and we had something more special than that (strengthen the bond, defuse any rejection for moving in too fast and, as Jesuscla said, make her *work* for it.) She liked that so much she saw me the next day and screwed, and the next and the next. When I walked in she would jump up and down and yell, "Sex for me! Sex for me!" Of course, she liked feeling special (it was always genuine - my friend was seething with jealousy and I said I'd kill him if he tried to screw her haha). So she always made a point of going half on any costs we had or taking me to lunch at her expense, even if she was hard up. On my list of best-sex-ever experiences.




ps for those experienced in the game as JC calls it - I think I also used the blow job pattern on this one - think about it - fits perfectly with picking up gdps as regular girls rather than 'lowering' oneself to paying.

Jesuscola
03-14-08, 16:49
Absolutely.

The time I pulled a girl in Help (and got her to pay for lunch) was when there used to be a 2nd, smaller, Brasilian music dancefloor thru a door at the back where the entrance to the bathrooms are.

I was on autopilot, not really looking for a chick. I sorted out the group thing first by making friends with the DJ as he was the 'man', the alpha male, and then drawing attention by dancing funk with some hot chicks there. I noticed this really gorgeous girl who was looking a bit down, so I did a non- chat-up approach to establish her comfort zone. Listened to her story - she'd been beaten to a rich punter by someone who was supposed to be her friend. I made here laugh a bit then we went thru to the main dance hall (make her feel good and look good - changing scene and mood and associating the change with me). We got back to the apartment cos by the end of the night she didn't want to be alone of course after this. Both quite sober. She stayed and I said I didn't want to have sex with her cos that would make it like the general pick-up at Help and we had something more special than that (strengthen the bond, defuse any rejection for moving in too fast and, as Jesuscla said, make her *work* for it.) She liked that so much she saw me the next day and screwed, and the next and the next. When I walked in she would jump up and down and yell, "Sex for me! Sex for me!" Of course, she liked feeling special (it was always genuine - my friend was seething with jealousy and I said I'd kill him if he tried to screw her haha). So she always made a point of going half on any costs we had or taking me to lunch at her expense, even if she was hard up. On my list of best-sex-ever experiences.




ps for those experienced in the game as JC calls it - I think I also used the blow job pattern on this one - think about it - fits perfectly with picking up gdps as regular girls rather than 'lowering' oneself to paying.

Great story! I personally like the feeling of really picking a girl up much better than just grabbing one and going to a room. I've got some things that I say (true things), that work very well for me, but I'll keep them to myself as I don't want a bunch of guys running around Rio using my stuff ;o) It's pretty specific and particular to me. I will say that the more straight up honest I am the better I do.

But now that I have a certain reputation for dating girls rather than sessioning, I find that most girls will refuse me for a session if I ask. Like, about a year ago, I tried to take a girl to a room, and she ignored me like I hadn't said anything. I was confused. I knew the chick liked me. So I invited her to the beach, she accepted, and we had great sex. Go figure. So there is a tradeoff ;o)

Also, fuckloads of drama... But it can be a lot of fun.

Azul Man
03-16-08, 03:29
Does anyone have info on Dating agencies in Sao Paulo, or other large cities in Brazil?

Jan 156
03-16-08, 07:55
Great story! I personally like the feeling of really picking a girl up much better than just grabbing one and going to a room. I've got some things that I say (true things), that work very well for me, but I'll keep them to myself as I don't want a bunch of guys running around Rio using my stuff ;o) It's pretty specific and particular to me. I will say that the more straight up honest I am the better I do.

But now that I have a certain reputation for dating girls rather than sessioning, I find that most girls will refuse me for a session if I ask. Like, about a year ago, I tried to take a girl to a room, and she ignored me like I hadn't said anything. I was confused. I knew the chick liked me. So I invited her to the beach, she accepted, and we had great sex. Go figure. So there is a tradeoff ;o)

Also, fuckloads of drama... But it can be a lot of fun.

I think that that honesty thing you mention is really important. I sometimes do a spot-check – “If this girl can see into my mind now, is she game for what I’m about to do?” It just flows so much easier.

One thing I do recognise though is that there are a number of ‘me’s depending on the mood I’m in and so on. I can be in a giving or taking mood. I mean in terms of energy and emotion. Mostly I prefer to be ‘giving’. It’s easier to be in control that way. So I will get my energy levels up before leaving my front door, project the side of me that I want to and that I think is pretty likeable.

There are times I don’t bother. At 4x4 I reckon they are paid enough to make me feel good so I let them do the giving. Like it was my birthday party. Or I’ve been dating a girl for a while – part of a relationship is being able to let the other person (that you trust) do the seducing.

But I work on the principle that a girl enjoys being seduced, enjoys mutually great sex, and enjoys flirting and the occasional wind-up. So if she twigs I’m trying some fun psychology stuff on her I’ll probably say, ‘Sure, feels good, doesn’t it?’

I like your story about changing the place once you got back to your room. Some girls – and I don’t know if this was the case with your girl – take a look at the bedroom in an apartment and suddenly feel like a puta and their barriers go up. The beach thing sounded really spontaneous and fun and showed her you’d got self-control. She got some extra flirting and romance and you got better sex. Sounds a good deal!

The second time I was in Rio, my wingman at the time had a thing for chatting up the most attractive girls we saw on the street. We spotted one girl just as we enter the Metro and catch up with her. It’s a great place (I noticed later) cos unless she is rude she can’t blow you off too quickly. I mean there’s those endless moving walkways, or there was on this one. We got her phone number before we got to the platform. She was going the opposite direction so we waved across to where she was catching her train. Her train left, we reminisced on her and discussed who would phone or when. A minute later she jumps out from behind a pillar and surprises us. She’d missed her train just to put an extra smile on our faces. She was a dance teacher. We kept joking about who was gonna phone her first. A week later I had my hands full. My wingman lived with his teacher girl for a few months.

Another good place we liked for non-pros was the football ground. Especially tourists. And if we didn’t score we’d go down the road to that den of iniquity to drink a few beers and play mind games with the programmas or throw them 20 real to share their dirty sheet. At that price they’re more like partners in crime. As you say, non-GDPs come with drama, which can be nice or a pain.

Jesuscola
03-17-08, 16:00
one thing i do recognise though is that there are a number of ‘me’s depending on the mood i’m in and so on. i can be in a giving or taking mood. i mean in terms of energy and emotion. mostly i prefer to be ‘giving’. it’s easier to be in control that way. so i will get my energy levels up before leaving my front door, project the side of me that i want to and that i think is pretty likeable.

yeah, i know what you mean. for me, these days, unless i'm really tired, worn down, etc., i just naturally get into an "up" mood whenever i go out. be it a terma or wherever. i took a taxi to 4x4 one time, and the driver was listening to the saturday night fever soundtrack. i walked in the door singing, "night fever" loudly. the doorman shouted, "bee gees!!! bee gees!!!" so all of this had me laughing and in a fun party mood when i got to the bar. to this day, whenever i walk in, that same doorman starts trying to sing "night fever" even though he doesn't know the words. but i just start singing with him, and even though it's ridiculous, it gets me into that outgoing, "giving" mood you're talking about.


there are times i don’t bother. at 4x4 i reckon they are paid enough to make me feel good so i let them do the giving. like it was my birthday party. or i’ve been dating a girl for a while – part of a relationship is being able to let the other person (that you trust) do the seducing.

but i work on the principle that a girl enjoys being seduced, enjoys mutually great sex, and enjoys flirting and the occasional wind-up. so if she twigs i’m trying some fun psychology stuff on her i’ll probably say, ‘sure, feels good, doesn’t it?’

yeah, they like being seduced, and they like seducing. i always try to make the girl feel like she's seducing me. pulling me in. that's part of the bit about making feel like she's working for it. it's playful and fun. so i'd say, when i'm most successful, there's always give and take--or give and then give her an opportunity to give. appreciate her giving. reward her giving.


i like your story about changing the place once you got back to your room. some girls – and i don’t know if this was the case with your girl – take a look at the bedroom in an apartment and suddenly feel like a puta and their barriers go up. the beach thing sounded really spontaneous and fun and showed her you’d got self-control. she got some extra flirting and romance and you got better sex. sounds a good deal!

the beach thing is great as it gives us a chance to flirt and play and tease. when we leave, i don't mention where we're going, i just lead her to my place while we're talking. it's assumed. first thing, she's going to want to use the shower. when she gets out, i'm just chilling on my bed. not, like, in speedos with barry white singing, chilling, but, like, tv on, turned away from the door. just casual, like i'm not expecting anything. she comes to find me, naturally, and sits on my bed. she mentions how comfortable she feels with me, by which she means she's ready. it's that feeling that it "just happened."


the second time i was in rio, my wingman at the time had a thing for chatting up the most attractive girls we saw on the street. we spotted one girl just as we enter the metro and catch up with her. it’s a great place (i noticed later) cos unless she is rude she can’t blow you off too quickly. i mean there’s those endless moving walkways, or there was on this one. we got her phone number before we got to the platform. she was going the opposite direction so we waved across to where she was catching her train. her train left, we reminisced on her and discussed who would phone or when. a minute later she jumps out from behind a pillar and surprises us. she’d missed her train just to put an extra smile on our faces. she was a dance teacher. we kept joking about who was gonna phone her first. a week later i had my hands full. my wingman lived with his teacher girl for a few months.

another good place we liked for non-pros was the football ground. especially tourists. and if we didn’t score we’d go down the road to that den of iniquity to drink a few beers and play mind games with the programmas or throw them 20 real to share their dirty sheet. at that price they’re more like partners in crime. as you say, non-gdps come with drama, which can be nice or a pain.

more cool stories.

i've met gorgeous girls on the subway, on the street. i do find places like lapa or less touristy downtown bars more fun, though, as i think non-pros are more open to gringo approaches in a "bar" environment where it's a given that you're there to meet and be social, as opposed to randomly on the street. you have to open with good portuguese, though.

Jesuscola
03-20-08, 19:03
Well the problem is that most women will automatically judge a man who throws his money at her too easily and slot him into a certain category.

An interesting anecdote:

I remember I met 2 girls by the beach. A friend from the US happened to be with me, so I introduced him. They were attractive. He has plenty of money. He said, "Tell them I'll take them to dinner. Anywhere they want."

I did NOT want to tell them that, because IME, that is actually LESS likely to get either one of us laid.

The important part is, I was telling this story, via chat, to a female friend from the US. When I got to the part where the guy offers dinner, she said, with no prompting, "UgggghHH!!! 'I think you're hot, and I don't know what to do about that, so I'm going to throw money at you.'"

Which is how most attractive women seem to see it when a guy offers something too easily.

Drgn
03-21-08, 00:36
I've been off the board for several years now because I spend all of my time gaming non-pro's. The funny thing is even when I was going to Brazil and Argentina on a regular basis, I still used "game". Why? Because they are just girls. I'm always amazed when some guys on the board act like the gdp/chica should do everything he wants because he's paying her. Then he complains because the girl was mechanical/non-GFE.

Guys, its about value. What value do you have as a man, besides your wallet, for that woman? Again, very surprised by guys that think money is enough. Money actually means very little in the grand scheme of things. Here's a news flash...women like sex...more than we do. (I know, shhhhh) They are going to have sex with someone, so it might as well be you. When I'm out, I project "sexual confident male" and the value she'll get from our time together is an amazing sexual experience. That's one of the things I love about Brazilians. They pick up on that vibe really quick and the rest is just logistics.

I read reports here and based on the writer's language, tone, etc. I can get a sense as to whether or not he "pulls" in his home country. A lot of the complaining is from guys who just don't "get it" with regard to women. And they are like a freakin' neon sign to any attractive woman that has a lot of experience. Just put the energy into getting it handled rather than complaining.

Christopherd, I'm impressed you used the BJ pattern (was that in Portugese or English?) I've had to focus more on my subcommunications, vibe, etc. with non-English speaking or ESL girls. The cool thing is the reptilian brain is the same regardless of nationality so certain behaviors just work to produce the desired result.

My point is we fly half way around the world for variety in our moist relief. Improve the quality of the experience by "manning up" and bringing value to the interaction. Learn what it means to be a sex-worthy man and any concerns about cost/price will tend to disappear. Get to the point where if you spend money on airfare and hotel it's because you want a change of scenery, not because you desperately want to be released from "sex prison" as some guys call it.

Just a thought...

Svengal
03-21-08, 02:48
My point is we fly half way around the world for variety in our moist relief. Improve the quality of the experience by "manning up" and bringing value to the interaction. Learn what it means to be a sex-worthy man and any concerns about cost/price will tend to disappear. Get to the point where if you spend money on airfare and hotel it's because you want a change of scenery, not because you desperately want to be released from "sex prison" as some guys call it.

Just a thought...Couldn't have been better said, and a point that is lost on too many that read this forum.

Jesuscola
03-21-08, 13:46
I've been off the board for several years now because I spend all of my time gaming non-pro's. The funny thing is even when I was going to Brazil and Argentina on a regular basis, I still used "game". Why? Because they are just girls. I'm always amazed when some guys on the board act like the gdp/chica should do everything he wants because he's paying her. Then he complains because the girl was mechanical/non-GFE.

Guys, its about value. What value do you have as a man, besides your wallet, for that woman? Again, very surprised by guys that think money is enough. Money actually means very little in the grand scheme of things. Here's a news flash...women like sex...more than we do. (I know, shhhhh) They are going to have sex with someone, so it might as well be you. When I'm out, I project "sexual confident male" and the value she'll get from our time together is an amazing sexual experience. That's one of the things I love about Brazilians. They pick up on that vibe really quick and the rest is just logistics.

I read reports here and based on the writer's language, tone, etc. I can get a sense as to whether or not he "pulls" in his home country. A lot of the complaining is from guys who just don't "get it" with regard to women. And they are like a freakin' neon sign to any attractive woman that has a lot of experience. Just put the energy into getting it handled rather than complaining.

Christopherd, I'm impressed you used the BJ pattern (was that in Portugese or English?) I've had to focus more on my subcommunications, vibe, etc. with non-English speaking or ESL girls. The cool thing is the reptilian brain is the same regardless of nationality so certain behaviors just work to produce the desired result.

My point is we fly half way around the world for variety in our moist relief. Improve the quality of the experience by "manning up" and bringing value to the interaction. Learn what it means to be a sex-worthy man and any concerns about cost/price will tend to disappear. Get to the point where if you spend money on airfare and hotel it's because you want a change of scenery, not because you desperately want to be released from "sex prison" as some guys call it.

Just a thought...

Thank you SOOOO much for saying this! I've been trying to tell guys that for a long time. Kudos.

Jan 156
03-25-08, 23:21
Christopherd, I'm impressed you used the BJ pattern (was that in Portugese or English?) I've had to focus more on my subcommunications, vibe, etc. with non-English speaking or ESL girls. The cool thing is the reptilian brain is the same regardless of nationality so certain behaviors just work to produce the desired result.


HiDrgn - liked all your post and agree with your comments. In response to your question though, on that occasion in English. But it's a pattern I work in sometimes when a variation occurs to me - it can be too tempting not to (especially as the steps are useful even if I don't end up using the BJ bombshell). I don't use a script any more, just the steps. A lot of these use subcommunications, as you say. Where there's actual linguistics I suppose I subtly check first to see if she understands the necessary words.

Doggus
05-18-08, 22:08
Hey Guys,

I'm arriving in SP next weekend and am staying in Itaim Bibi area. My basic plan is to try and meet non-pro garotas during the day, get their numbers and the wine & dine them at night before trying to get them back to my hotel.

Can anyone recommend any malls or other places in Itaim where I can find a good concentration of hot chicks. Any particular places where I might meet some English speaking ones?

Is hitting on girls in malls common thing in SP/Brazil? I did have a little success using this approach in Panama. For what it's worth I'm a 30 yo attractive looking white guy (normally smartly dressed).

My Portuguese is not great and i'll be doing a Pimsleur crash course this week

Orgasm Donor
05-31-08, 20:17
Is hitting on girls in malls common thing in SP/Brazil? I did have a little success using this approach in Panama. For what it's worth I'm a 30 yo attractive looking white guy (normally smartly dressed).

My Portuguese is not great and i'll be doing a Pimsleur crash course this week

Just keep in mind, brasileiros are always giving catcalls to the ladies, usually they are dismissive about it, not insulted, theyll just think youre a typical dog. I suggest beginning with eye contact and a smile. Also keep in mind many girls are semi-pro, not exactly a GDP, they will do ya for a turn, but eventually will hit you up for some cash. This appears to be more common in the south. Pretty college girls that will take on a doable gringo, but will not introduce you to friends or family. and keep you for a "Papai Noel" (Santa Claus-what they call a foreign "sponsor". In the north, they are a little more open about it.

As far as Pimsleur goes, I think it will be most effective if you take the "Quick and Simple" version for the crash course. The regular courses stress repetition, which is designed for long term memorization, and requires more commitment.

Good Luck

Thanos
06-23-08, 07:24
Hey Guys,

I'm arriving in SP next weekend and am staying in Itaim Bibi area. My basic plan is to try and meet non-pro garotas during the day, get their numbers and the wine & dine them at night before trying to get them back to my hotel.

Can anyone recommend any malls or other places in Itaim where I can find a good concentration of hot chicks. Any particular places where I might meet some English speaking ones?

Is hitting on girls in malls common thing in SP/Brazil? I did have a little success using this approach in Panama. For what it's worth I'm a 30 yo attractive looking white guy (normally smartly dressed).

My Portuguese is not great and i'll be doing a Pimsleur crash course this weekHitting on girls in the malls is ok for the brazilians to do. Not cool for gringoes basically because you're automatically considered a monger and your hitting on girls puts them in the category of the *****s in their minds. That might not be your intention but that's how alot of regular girls see it.

Thanos
06-23-08, 07:32
I've been off the board for several years now because I spend all of my time gaming non-pro's. The funny thing is even when I was going to Brazil and Argentina on a regular basis, I still used "game". Why? Because they are just girls. I'm always amazed when some guys on the board act like the gdp/chica should do everything he wants because he's paying her. Then he complains because the girl was mechanical/non-GFE.

Guys, its about value. What value do you have as a man, besides your wallet, for that woman? Again, very surprised by guys that think money is enough. Money actually means very little in the grand scheme of things. Here's a news flash...women like sex...more than we do. (I know, shhhhh) They are going to have sex with someone, so it might as well be you. When I'm out, I project "sexual confident male" and the value she'll get from our time together is an amazing sexual experience. That's one of the things I love about Brazilians. They pick up on that vibe really quick and the rest is just logistics.

I read reports here and based on the writer's language, tone, etc. I can get a sense as to whether or not he "pulls" in his home country. A lot of the complaining is from guys who just don't "get it" with regard to women. And they are like a freakin' neon sign to any attractive woman that has a lot of experience. Just put the energy into getting it handled rather than complaining.

Christopherd, I'm impressed you used the BJ pattern (was that in Portugese or English?) I've had to focus more on my subcommunications, vibe, etc. with non-English speaking or ESL girls. The cool thing is the reptilian brain is the same regardless of nationality so certain behaviors just work to produce the desired result.

My point is we fly half way around the world for variety in our moist relief. Improve the quality of the experience by "manning up" and bringing value to the interaction. Learn what it means to be a sex-worthy man and any concerns about cost/price will tend to disappear. Get to the point where if you spend money on airfare and hotel it's because you want a change of scenery, not because you desperately want to be released from "sex prison" as some guys call it.

Just a thought...You're basically right but some guys due to age or appearance can only bring so much to the table. The problem is that times have changed. Ten years ago guys were doing alot less complaining about their experiences because back then 200R bought them a guaranteed great night. The girls have caught the mechanical american working girl bug and with more and more girls it doesn't matter what the guy brings to the table because alot of these girls have already made up their minds that they are going to get in and get out as quickly as possible.

Watchman4400
06-23-08, 20:36
I've been off the board for several years now because I spend all of my time gaming non-pro's. The funny thing is even when I was going to Brazil and Argentina on a regular basis, I still used "game". Why? Because they are just girls. I'm always amazed when some guys on the board act like the gdp/chica should do everything he wants because he's paying her. Then he complains because the girl was mechanical/non-GFE.

Guys, its about value. What value do you have as a man, besides your wallet, for that woman? Again, very surprised by guys that think money is enough. Money actually means very little in the grand scheme of things. Here's a news flash...women like sex...more than we do. (I know, shhhhh) They are going to have sex with someone, so it might as well be you. When I'm out, I project "sexual confident male" and the value she'll get from our time together is an amazing sexual experience. That's one of the things I love about Brazilians. They pick up on that vibe really quick and the rest is just logistics.

I read reports here and based on the writer's language, tone, etc. I can get a sense as to whether or not he "pulls" in his home country. A lot of the complaining is from guys who just don't "get it" with regard to women. And they are like a freakin' neon sign to any attractive woman that has a lot of experience. Just put the energy into getting it handled rather than complaining.

Christopherd, I'm impressed you used the BJ pattern (was that in Portugese or English?) I've had to focus more on my subcommunications, vibe, etc. with non-English speaking or ESL girls. The cool thing is the reptilian brain is the same regardless of nationality so certain behaviors just work to produce the desired result.

My point is we fly half way around the world for variety in our moist relief. Improve the quality of the experience by "manning up" and bringing value to the interaction. Learn what it means to be a sex-worthy man and any concerns about cost/price will tend to disappear. Get to the point where if you spend money on airfare and hotel it's because you want a change of scenery, not because you desperately want to be released from "sex prison" as some guys call it.

Just a thought...

I completely agree with you post and I have been saying the same thing over the short time that I have been on the board! You shold post more because we need more level headed guys on the board. There are some girls in Brazil providing poor service for the stated prices, however, I beleive that if you watch them long enough and talk to them a little you can tell who is going to give good service.

These girls are "working" but they still want to be with good looking guys and guys that they think are going to be fun. We should all remember, you are not paying them for the sex, you are paying them to leave when you are done!

Peseta
07-08-08, 19:36
Of course stupid, sex without condom.

But please keep these kind of answers to a minimum as I've concluded this myself already.

Beginning of this year I met a woman when on holiday in Rio.

Nice time, fun and no money exchanged.

One night "in de heat of passion" we had sex without a condom.

Now she says she's pregnant from me.

Before I make the decision how to handle this, I want solid legal advice about this situation.

There must be members on this board, who had the same experience, so that's why I hope someone can help me:

I'm looking for a trustworthy competent legal advisor in Brazilian law concerning paternity. This person needs to speak English, so I can communicate directly with him/her.

If anyone can give me the right contact, I'd be more than grateful.

Ryjerrob
07-08-08, 19:58
What is the fundamental difference between a working girl, and a non-working girl from a favela. I realize that there's a hierarchy among social classes, but do we perpetuate them? I was kicking it with this hot looking 30 y/o girl. She hates the fact that I am friends with other girls from the program. I know girls that are working, and we've never done anything that friends wouldn't do. But think about it, if you're out there trickin' how are you better than the next girl doing the same thing? I guess there's the fear that we might give our money to someone other than her. I had to change my whole orkut page do to getting cyber stalked. Of the girls on there, only a handful were working girls, don't need anyone sending messages to others on my friends list, talking trash.

Being born poor is just the luck of the draw, but these trickin' ho's think they're better than everyone else. I've met some kick-ass girls working at the mall, and various restaurants from favelas who were great to hang out with, and expected nothing.

Random thoughts,

ryjer

Off Road
07-10-08, 17:56
Of course stupid, sex without condom.

But please keep these kind of answers to a minimum as I've concluded this myself already.

Beginning of this year I met a woman when on holiday in Rio.

Nice time, fun and no money exchanged.

One night "in de heat of passion" we had sex without a condom.

Now she says she's pregnant from me.

Before I make the decision how to handle this, I want solid legal advice about this situation.

There must be members on this board, who had the same experience, so that's why I hope someone can help me:

I'm looking for a trustworthy competent legal advisor in Brazilian law concerning paternity. This person needs to speak English, so I can communicate directly with him/her.

If anyone can give me the right contact, I'd be more than grateful.What city? I know an attorney here in Rio that speaks english.

Now a word of advice from an experience I had. I had sex with condom with a gal, 3 days later she said she was pregnant and her husband would be angry if he found out.
I replied: 1. Condom, 2. Three days? 3. Husband? 4. Vasectomy. And told her not to call me again. I did not hear from her again.

So you might bluff her and say you had a Vasectomy, so it could not possibly be yours. After that, blood test or DNA test.

Ryjerrob
07-10-08, 20:12
Before I make the decision how to handle this, I want solid legal advice about this situation.

There must be members on this board, who had the same experience, so that's why I hope someone can help me:

I'm looking for a trustworthy competent legal advisor in Brazilian law concerning paternity. This person needs to speak English, so I can communicate directly with him/her.

If anyone can give me the right contact, I'd be more than grateful.

Tried to send you a private message, no luck. Check out www.gringoes.com. One of the members, Jose Santiago is very helpful. I'm sure he'd answer any of your questions. Create an account, and send him a private message. Actually his website is www.josecsantiago.com. Hopes this helps.

ryjer

Carlos Primeros
07-11-08, 05:42
Hi Peseta - this is the oldest trick in the book of these girls. Are you sure she was an ordinary girl or a GP?????

If a GP or a normal girl gets pregnant - in the blink of an eye they have an abortion. Every small clinic is doing that for around 500 Reais. And every GP already had one or two abortions. Also - really consider that the chance that she gets pregnant from a single one-night-stand the chances are 1 : 10.000

Consider it bullshit!!!

You had been in Rio at the beginning of the year - now it is July - she had at least 5 months to tell you. Only now - after she tried to stick the fatherhood for sure on another 4 or 5 guys - she is trying it now on you.

Just give me a break - that will not work.


Carlos

Ryo Saeba
07-19-08, 01:19
I’Ll contribute to this thread with my little story about a regular girl.

I met her this year in Porto Seguro, during Carnaval: she was spending her holidays there with a friend and her sister. We hit it off real good: 31 years old, wasn’t from Bahia, had had a good upbringing, college educated, a proper job and so on. She insisted and didn’t let me pay for her drinks.

We spent the whole night chatting and dancing. Morning came and, as it was her last day there, we parted ways exchanging phone numbers.

We didn’t have sex, just some passionate kissing and a bit of fondling each other. After I got back home we kept in touch corresponding by both SMS and e-mails, about once a week. Mostly we talked about our countries and our jobs, and only once we wrote we missed each other and the time we have had together, and for me it was true, although in a friendly kind of way: not that I wouldn’t have liked to shag her, I mean, she had the smoothest skin my hands ever touched, but since our chances to ever meet again were next to zero, why keep up whatever little passion had sprung that one night?

And she more or less gave me reason to believe she felt the same way about it, never writing anything more compromising than "beijos".

All this until a couple of weeks ago, when out of the blue she sent me a short text that read:

"Hei, how are you? I would like to spend my holidays in September there (my country) with you at your place. May I? "

My first reaction was surprise, than, a little shame, starting to realize I had probably been taken for a ride. Still, I couldn’t (or didn’t want to) believe this was the same selfless girl I met a few months back.

So I decided to reply asking what I believe to be perfectly logical questions, such as when exactly, the lenght of her stay, wether she was supposed to come with friends or by herself. Then I explained her how we would have seen very little of each other due to my job, and I offered to help her find an accomodation, possibly for free at a female friend's place, but that she couldn’t come to mine since I live in a flat with other people. I finished by saying I would have loved to see her again and spend some time with her.

Never heard from her again, not a word of explanation, disappointment, rage. Nada. I know nothing happened to her because she has updated her orkut profile in the meantime.

So, I guess I can safely assume that from the very beginning of our correspondance she was after the economic and social security myself and/or my country could have provided her.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Edward M
07-19-08, 02:30
I’Ll contribute to this thread with my little story about a regular girl.

I met her this year in Porto Seguro, during Carnaval: she was spending her holidays there with a friend and her sister. We hit it off real good: 31 years old, wasn’t from Bahia, had had a good upbringing, college educated, a proper job and so on. She insisted and didn’t let me pay for her drinks.

We spent the whole night chatting and dancing. Morning came and, as it was her last day there, we parted ways exchanging phone numbers.

We didn’t have sex, just some passionate kissing and a bit of fondling each other. After I got back home we kept in touch corresponding by both SMS and e-mails, about once a week. Mostly we talked about our countries and our jobs, and only once we wrote we missed each other and the time we have had together, and for me it was true, although in a friendly kind of way: not that I wouldn’t have liked to shag her, I mean, she had the smoothest skin my hands ever touched, but since our chances to ever meet again were next to zero, why keep up whatever little passion had sprung that one night?

And she more or less gave me reason to believe she felt the same way about it, never writing anything more compromising than "beijos".

All this until a couple of weeks ago, when out of the blue she sent me a short text that read:

"Hei, how are you? I would like to spend my holidays in September there (my country) with you at your place. May I? "

My first reaction was surprise, than, a little shame, starting to realize I had probably been taken for a ride. Still, I couldn’t (or didn’t want to) believe this was the same selfless girl I met a few months back.

So I decided to reply asking what I believe to be perfectly logical questions, such as when exactly, the lenght of her stay, wether she was supposed to come with friends or by herself. Then I explained her how we would have seen very little of each other due to my job, and I offered to help her find an accomodation, possibly for free at a female friend's place, but that she couldn’t come to mine since I live in a flat with other people. I finished by saying I would have loved to see her again and spend some time with her.

Never heard from her again, not a word of explanation, disappointment, rage. Nada. I know nothing happened to her because she has updated her orkut profile in the meantime.

So, I guess I can safely assume that from the very beginning of our correspondance she was after the economic and social security myself and/or my country could have provided her.Maybe she thought she could have a nice fling with you and nothing else and when you seemed like you did not want her she was embarrassed and rethought her infatuation.

Ryjerrob
07-19-08, 03:12
Never heard from her again, not a word of explanation, disappointment, rage. Nada. I know nothing happened to her because she has updated her orkut profile in the meantime.

So, I guess I can safely assume that from the very beginning of our correspondence she was after the economic and social security myself and/or my country could have provided her.


I don't know anything about the area where you were, but I wouldn't automatically assume she was all about the 'Benjamin's." Maybe she sensed that you weren't as interested in her as she was in you. Based on the fact that you posted here, I'm assuming you are a fellow monger. If you were in a monger area, then I can possiblely see it, but I wouldn't assume every girl I meet in Brasil is a GDP or has other motives.

ryjer

Naked Gunz
07-19-08, 06:33
This poor girl look likes a deer in the headlights. This old fuck isn't fulfilling her Ricky Martin dreams, but his check will do nicely for now. Yet they are apparently now in matrimonial bliss, according to a very popular LE website that I love to visit.

If my new bride had such a sourpuss, I would know I was in trouble. Yet this Montana dumb fuck is not aware of the shit that will come very soon once he brings her back to Hooterville. No doubt a racist bunch of family and friends will greet her in the good ole town. Thirty two degree weather will be the ultimate climate that is kinda close to Brazils temp! She can handle it right!

Good luck puto. A good lawyer will keep her hands off your retirement. He's probably a hard working company man that's turned wrenches all his life. The local fat chicks were too much for him to stomach and love is obviously in Brazil via the web.

When will you a-Holes get it. Bang em with Latex and leave your money on the nightstand and WALK AWAY! Hoes make lousy housewifes. I've banged two on that LE website. Learn to live live like Piper1,(how does that guy get so much azz), .

Sperto
07-19-08, 07:57
This poor girl look likes a deer in the headlights. This old fuck isn't fulfilling her Ricky Martin dreams, but his check will do nicely for now. Yet they are apparently now in matrimonial bliss, according to a very popular LE website that I love to visit.

If my new bride had such a sourpuss, I would know I was in trouble. Yet this Montana dumb fuck is not aware of the shit that will come very soon once he brings her back to Hooterville. No doubt a racist bunch of family and friends will greet her in the good ole town. Thirty two degree weather will be the ultimate climate that is kinda close to Brazils temp! She can handle it right!

Good luck puto. A good lawyer will keep her hands off your retirement. He's probably a hard working company man that's turned wrenches all his life. The local fat chicks were too much for him to stomach and love is obviously in Brazil via the web.

When will you a-Holes get it. Bang em with Latex and leave your money on the nightstand and WALK AWAY! Hoes make lousy housewifes. I've banged two on that LE website. Learn to live live like Piper1,(how does that guy get so much azz), .
I think the "dumb fuck" is propably a happier man than you are.

Ryjerrob
07-19-08, 09:40
I think the "dumb fuck" is propably a happier man than you are.


Ditto.........

Exec Talent
07-19-08, 12:14
Once was more than enough

Take your disparaging remarks about women to a site where they are relished. Here we respect women and tell losers like you to take a hike. Don't go away mad, but do go away.

Bubba Boy
07-19-08, 15:07
Hit a nerve with some people on this board?

Any body that is 60 and has 20 year old girls hanging out with him should know that they are not interested in anything else than security, doesn't matter how much of a nice guy he is, if he thinks she genuinely loves him he is kidding himself. On the other hand a 60+ year old dude should enjoy these years, beats the heck out of banging a 60 year old woman. As long as both parties know the others interests, they can get by.

RonnyRon
07-19-08, 18:54
OK, Gentlemen,

I viewed the same pictures and thought the same thing, except I believe he is the one in the deer's headlights. He may be happy now, but won't be in a year or two. The thing I always love about the Brazilian photo forum is the girl's smiles. They are genuine. I have rarely seen a Brazilian woman forcing a smile more than this one. I have been to many weddings and you can tell that this is a bad arrangement.

RonnyRon

Exec Talent
07-19-08, 19:29
My comments were not directed toward anything said about the guy, his relationship, happiness or future. Another forum is well-known for having a total disregard for women. That was my concern. We don't need that here.

BTW, in first class on my flight to Rio was a Brazilian guy who was at least 60 with what could have been his daugther of maybe 25. I was unsure until I saw them kissing a few times. She was drop dead gorgeous with a perfect body and sweet personaility (I talked with her). The eyes she had for her man were filled with admiration, respect and love. Many of you guys have never had it, so how could you possibily recognize it.

I used to not understand why so many guys worried about other people's relationships and felt a need to make comments about them. Then I starting running into the guys behind the comments and now I understand all too well. Misery doesn't just love company, it wants everyone else to be miserable too.

Ryjerrob
07-19-08, 20:51
All I wanna know is about the monger scene. I have gained what I consider valuable knowledge from many here, as well as developed friendships. Like I've said before, I'd never tell another man how to spend his money. I guess if anyone has comments similar to Mr. Gunz, this would be the place, it's just kinda old. Hell, maybe money can buy happiness, who am I to judge.

ryjer

Jan 156
07-19-08, 21:45
Learn to live live like Piper1,(how does that guy get so much azz), .

Errrrmm . . . maybe by going to Rio? <vbg>


















p.s. don't tell Mr Gunz!

Bubba Boy
07-20-08, 00:12
Re 20 something in first class - Of course she was smiling, she was IN FIRST CLASS! Do you think she would be smiling in the back of a crappy bus on a 20 hours inter city journey dating a 60+ year old guy with his ass hanging out of his pants?

She is in love with the lifestyle, the belief that she now fits into a certain class level. The actual guy is that she is dating is not relevant, totally interchangeably with any guy in the same income bracket.

Bimbo Boy
07-20-08, 01:16
Very simple : say that you will not consider commiting to anything without a DNA test.
Regards. BB.


Of course stupid, sex without condom.

But please keep these kind of answers to a minimum as I've concluded this myself already.

Beginning of this year I met a woman when on holiday in Rio.

Nice time, fun and no money exchanged.

One night "in de heat of passion" we had sex without a condom.

Now she says she's pregnant from me.

Before I make the decision how to handle this, I want solid legal advice about this situation.

There must be members on this board, who had the same experience, so that's why I hope someone can help me:

I'm looking for a trustworthy competent legal advisor in Brazilian law concerning paternity. This person needs to speak English, so I can communicate directly with him/her.

If anyone can give me the right contact, I'd be more than grateful.

Ryjerrob
07-20-08, 01:35
Very simple : say that you will not consider committing to anything without a DNA test.
Regards. BB.

Since I've never been in this situation, I don't know. Is it expensive for DNA testing? Don't you have to wait until the pregnancy has progressed so far? I would imagine some medical treatments are lees expensive in Brasil without the insurance crap that we have in the USA, making prices inflated.

ryjer

Jan 156
07-20-08, 02:54
One night "in de heat of passion" we had sex without a condom.

Now she says she's pregnant from me.


I don't know if this will be useful but I was in a not dissimilar position many years ago after a drunken night with a girl from a nightclub.

In fact I had even used a condom - something I can manipulate even blind drunk and in the dark. But there was no proof.

I was in a blind panic. I confided in the boss of the nightclub. Two or three staff overheard my confession. The girl was a regular at the club. Was it such-and-such . . . ? They soon knew who I meant. She had been seen leaving the club with other chaps over the short time period during which I had met and bagged her.

Needless to say, when she came into the club that night and confronted me about what was I, "going to do?" a couple of the staff had a quiet word with her, pointing out that the evidence was all one way. And none of it hers!

I heard no more of it. On making discrete enquiries a few weeks later, it turned out she had miraculously discovered she wasn't in fact 'pregnant.' Remarkable.


Now you have to turn that round a bit for Brasil.

As I said, I don't know if the story might be helpful or not. But the mongers on here who have spent a lot of time in the country would know how not to stand for it. Of course, we maybe don't know if she sometimes charges for it. Many 'respectable' girls will do an occasional night in Help. Many shop workers or chambermaids will have a once-in-a-blue-moon (or say, only on Fridays when their boyfriends are out of town) double life that they conveniently forget about in their main 9-5.

But is she very high class? And very well connected? In other words, is she a university professor or the daughter of a rich Leblon lawyer? If the answer is yes (very unlikely), then her reputation has instantly suffered by this one-night stand with the 'gringo'. In fact, what was she doing in the part of town where she met you - probably a place where women go to meet strangers for dubious dealings. Most respectable utterly-above-charging-for-it women give Copa haunts a wide berth for instance. And if she jumps in the sack so easily and so incautiously, is it believable she would do it only with you??

She hit on you. You didn't have a deep intellectual bond over the ethnological basis of Candomble in the rising suburbs of Brasil's inner cities, or even work together on a Carlos de Jesus' new dance troupe performance. You had very little in common. She convinced you that you were the only one. And you probably are. The only one that night. Unless you are Brad Pitt with a delicate grasp of local Portuguese dialect and a fantastic samba dancer, women on the up-and-up in Rio are not likely to throw caution to the wind with you like that.

Just convince you that they have.

If, on the other hand, she regularly sleeps with gringos, she might want to show DNA tests of all the other jockeys before putting someone such as yourself through such inconvenience. If her memory is short perhaps a detailed description might even encourage the memory of a few anonymous fellows on this or other forums <g>.

Exec Talent
07-20-08, 18:41
Re 20 something in first class - Of course she was smiling, she was IN FIRST CLASS! Do you think she would be smiling in the back of a crappy bus on a 20 hours inter city journey dating a 60+ year old guy with his ass hanging out of his pants?

She is in love with the lifestyle, the belief that she now fits into a certain class level. The actual guy is that she is dating is not relevant, totally interchangeably with any guy in the same income bracket.

Many of you guys have never had it, so how could you possibily recognize it. I am sure you believe that Celine Dion only stayed with René Angélil and saw him through cancer because of his money. BTW, he is 26 years older than her.

Bubba Boy
07-20-08, 23:31
Any guy that is way older than his girlfriend/wife and is not at all skeptical, I mean is 100% certain that she loves him – is about to get fucked – proper fucked that is. Like a deer in the headlights!

Jacobsmen
07-21-08, 00:06
Hi, I am not able to buy this Pimsleur course, and I am looking for something free of charge can you help and send it to me ? [Email address deleted by Admin]


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One Eyed Man
07-21-08, 00:47
One night "in de heat of passion" we had sex without a condom.

Now she says she's pregnant from me

A Brazilian-American friend of mine warned me that some girls in Brazil, in an attempt to escape of better their lot, sleep with multiple guys without protection and keep a log of their conquests. When they do become pregnant, they count back a certain number of days and consult their log book to know which guy to go after.

Food for thought...

Poucolouco
07-21-08, 02:32
This poor girl look likes a deer in the headlights. This old fuck isn't fulfilling her Ricky Martin dreams, but his check will do nicely for now. Yet they are apparently now in matrimonial bliss, according to a very popular LE website that I love to visit.This post is in the proper thread, "Non-Pro Garotas, Opinions and Advice." Gunz states his opinion but then gives the facts to contradict himself. What's the point? Why post pictures from an unrelated web site of people not related to activities here, just to trash someone you don't even know?

Ryjerrob
07-21-08, 03:51
A Brazilian-American friend of mine warned me that some girls in Brazil, in an attempt to escape of better their lot, sleep with multiple guys without protection and keep a log of their conquests. When they do become pregnant, they count back a certain number of days and consult their log book to know which guy to go after.

Food for thought...If you hang out at Help/MP/TA, you've probably seen Jane. She tries to call herself Betty Bop. The hair, and the dress and all. I'm sure someone here knows who she is. Anyway, I think she's had about 3-5 kids, with about 3 of them by Americans. I hear a rumor from a few girls that she was getting pregnant and selling the kids. Just a rumor though.

Ryjer

Peseta
07-26-08, 00:05
I'm sorry I didn't reply sooner. I was on holiday in Brazil (a little setback can't keep me from this fantastic country and it certainly is big enough to avoid anyone...) and my laptop was "hijacked" by spyware (changed my Windows password when I tried to remove it). The available internetcafes didn't provide any privacy and I wasn't comfortable writing about this in public.

Thank you for your reactions.

I tried to contact the consulate of my country when in Brazil with the same request, however without any result.


What city? I know an attorney here in Rio that speaks english... Met her in Rio, but she doesn't live there. But I don't care about that. First I need advice about my legal position and how to handle this best. So I'm certainly interested. I sent you a private message


Tried to send you a private message, no luck. Check out www.gringoes.com. One of the members, Jose Santiago is very helpful. I'm sure he'd answer any of your questions. Create an account, and send him a private message. Actually his website is www.josecsantiago.com... I'll contact him, thank you.

(repost with correct username)

El Austriaco
07-26-08, 18:23
Now she says she's pregnant from me.

(...)

There must be members on this board, who had the same experience, so that's why I hope someone can help me:

I'm looking for a trustworthy competent legal advisor in Brazilian law concerning paternity. This person needs to speak English, so I can communicate directly with him/her.

If anyone can give me the right contact, I'd be more than grateful.I'd suggest the following:

Tell her that as long as the kid is really yours, you have no problem accepting paternity, but no money without a reliable DNA test. Contact a company for DNA testing in your country for instructions. Tell her to send you hair samples (or whatever else is required ) of the kid for testing. I would NOT recommend having such a test performed in Brazil: way too easy for her to steer you to a doctor or a lab that will certify anything for a fee or a cut from the proceeds of a scam. Unfortunately, this is common in Brazil.

If she's serious about her claim, she will comply. If not, well, you'll have your answer.

That's what I did with a girl that claimed her kid was mine and threatened legal action. Never agreed to DNA testing, and nothing ever came of her legal threats. Haven't heard from her in months.

In other words: in all likelihood, claiming that the kid is yours is nothing more than hot air, an attempt to fling shit at the wall and see what sticks. She's got nothing to lose... make sure you don't lose over something that isn't your responsibility in the first place.

Regarding a competent counsel: your embassy/consulate should have a list of trustworthy legal advisors that are proficient in English. Still, keep in mind that a lawyer makes money by blowing minor problems out of proportion (just like a doctor doesn't make any money with healthy patients). In all likelihood, you won't need any.

EA

Exec Talent
07-28-08, 14:45
After dating some Non-GDPs for awhile, I still am unsure about the experience. It is great to have someone to attend functions with whom you know has not been with a number of guys on multiple continents, but there is a price. It is not free.

I am certain that I am way too generous as it seems there always is R$10 here and R$20 there. Also, there is no doubt that the big payoff is always on their mind.

However, of one thing I am certain. The Brazilian women I have met all love sex and are never hesitant to show me how much. I have never felt I have given up anything in that area by being with a Non-GDP.

Zrngblarsouille
07-31-08, 14:04
Hi all,

I will soon be visiting Rio de Janeiro for some business and want to enjoy all the nice girls this beautifu country can offer. I need your advise at 2 levels:

1- I'd like to invite girls to my room in the hotel for great fun. There are so many agencies available. Which one would you recommend in term of quality / price ration, reliability and eventually english speaking girls. My portugese is nowhere.

2- I know that in some hotels, visiting girls must register (and I am charged for that, such aas in the Sofitel) or are even not allowed (Caesar Park hotel). I am looking for a nice 4 or 5 * hotel on the beach (Ipanema or Copacabana) where there is no such restriction to your visits. Any recommendation?

Any additional suggestion would be highly appreciated. And I will soon share my experience with you.

Mr Enternational
08-01-08, 08:33
After dating some Non-GDPs for awhile, I still am unsure about the experience. It is great to have someone to attend functions with whom you know has not been with a number of guys on multiple continents, but there is a price. It is not free.

I am certain that I am way too generous as it seems there always is R$10 here and R$20 there. Also, there is no doubt that the big payoff is always on their mind.

However, of one thing I am certain. The Brazilian women I have met all love sex and are never hesitant to show me how much. I have never felt I have given up anything in that area by being with a Non-GDP.

I don't know of any non gdp brazilians who are looking for some type of big payoff. The ones that I know will not think about, ask for, or accept 50 centavos. The one that I am with now is studying petroleum engineering in her second year of college. Before she would give me her address she wanted to be 100% certain that I was not trying to send her money. Au contraire, it was only a post card that I was sending. She won't even accept a trip to come visit me in the states until she has her own money for the trip.

A friend of mine went down to Rio last month to see a girl he had met online. She paid for her own bus ticket there. He said that the only money he spent was when they went to Buzios together...which he found to be a boring place as do I. This is a copy of an email from him:

you are right. Help needs some help. There were not a lot of people. I met this girl on line on Brazil cupid and she came from Sao Paulo by bus to meet me. She was the best I ever had. She is a sex freak,,,,,I really like her a lot. The only money I had to spend with her was for a tour we did to Buzios. Buzios I did not like bit they make it seem so good. I come from the Caribbean and it is nothing like the islands. That is the best way now. Line them up before we leave so we can meet them. I also met a few there but did not talk too much. I saw Elizabeth but she is big fat and pregnant. She try to talk to the girl and say I am aliar and wanted to cause confusion. I have to stop corresponding with her. A big waste of time. I am ready to go when ever you are but I have to go during the school holidays. Let us plan for Thankgiving.

Ryjerrob
08-01-08, 16:32
I don't know of any non gdp brazilians who are looking for some type of big payoff. The ones that I know will not think about, ask for, or accept 50 centavos. The one that I am with now is studying petroleum engineering in her second year of college. Before she would give me her address she wanted to be 100% certain that I was not trying to send her money. Au contraire, it was only a post card that I was sending. She won't even accept a trip to come visit me in the states until she has her own money for the trip.



I won't comment of the experience of your friend, but for some mongers here, Brasil is just a country of GDP's. While this is far from the truth, some can't except, or refuse to accept that a person from this forum can meet a non gdp. You can see that from some of the post. The negative comments from guys about "paying them to leave." Like anywhere, you need to be careful, but it's doesn't mean you can't meet some really nice women.

If anyone is looking for more than what ground zero offers, then you have to branch out, and you have to have a basic/decent command of conversational Portuguese. Asking if she's does anal, sucks w/o a condom, or will do a dupla won't get you very far in a non mongering area, shopping mall, or hospital.

One thing for certain, if I was in a relationship with a women I met in Brasil, or anywhere else, I wouldn't advertise, or ask for advice here. The only true results are getting flamed!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just my opinion.

ryjer

Sperto
08-01-08, 17:28
I won't comment of the experience of your friend, but for some mongers here, Brasil is just a country of GDP's. While this is far from the truth, some can't except, or refuse to accept that a person from this forum can meet a non gdp. You can see that from some of the post.
Very true what you said.

Personally I enjoy GP's, but I wouldn't keep returning to Brazil if it wasn't for the regular non-GP's.

Some other mongers here might prefer to only hang out with GP's and skip the non-GP part. Their reasons might be that they just want to get laid in the most simple way or don't have time or desire to get involved with regular girls in Brazil or just don't have any success with regular girls.

Anyway, each to their own.

Mangera
08-01-08, 21:32
I don't know of any non gdp brazilians who are looking for some type of big payoff. The ones that I know will not think about, ask for, or accept 50 centavos. The one that I am with now is studying petroleum engineering in her second year of college. Before she would give me her address she wanted to be 100% certain that I was not trying to send her money. Au contraire, it was only a post card that I was sending. She won't even accept a trip to come visit me in the states until she has her own money for the trip.

A friend of mine went down to Rio last month to see a girl he had met online. She paid for her own bus ticket there. He said that the only money he spent was when they went to Buzios together...which he found to be a boring place as do I. This is a copy of an email from him:

you are right. Help needs some help. There were not a lot of people. I met this girl on line on Brazil cupid and she came from Sao Paulo by bus to meet me. She was the best I ever had. She is a sex freak,,,,,I really like her a lot. The only money I had to spend with her was for a tour we did to Buzios. Buzios I did not like bit they make it seem so good. I come from the Caribbean and it is nothing like the islands. That is the best way now. Line them up before we leave so we can meet them. I also met a few there but did not talk too much. I saw Elizabeth but she is big fat and pregnant. She try to talk to the girl and say I am aliar and wanted to cause confusion. I have to stop corresponding with her. A big waste of time. I am ready to go when ever you are but I have to go during the school holidays. Let us plan for Thankgiving.
With all due respect, regardless of nationality, 99% of women in this planet are looking for the payoff ( taken care of ). They are looking for security ( financially that is ). yes, sometimes they pay for their own crap, but its an investment. Watch out.

Enigma84
08-08-08, 17:42
Since this is the Brazil non-pro area, I have a few questions about dating or living with a non-pro girl friend and how they are in comparison to AW's.

I came a across a website for dating brazilian women that says they are more feminine, like to cook for their men, like to clean etc etc and i wanted to know how much of this is true and how much is bullshit?

I am looking a girl in the middle class, that can read and write or at least semi literate.

Thanks

Poucolouco
08-09-08, 04:18
Since this is the Brazil non-pro area, I have a few questions about dating or living with a non-pro girl friend and how they are in comparison to AW's.

I came a across a website for dating brazilian women that says they are more feminine, like to cook for their men, like to clean etc etc and i wanted to know how much of this is true and how much is bullshit?Most of this is true, however you didn't complete the comparison, "they are more feminine..." Than what??

Perhaps this keeper would fit the bill for what you are seeking.

Que Rico
08-09-08, 06:23
With all due respect, regardless of nationality, 99% of women in this planet are looking for the payoff (taken care of). They are looking for security (financially that is). Yes, sometimes they pay for their own crap, but its an investment. Watch out. My freind, with that attitude you have already lost. JMHO

Brazil Rio
08-25-08, 13:37
I was reading this here in another topic. How to recognize a working sex girl in Rio? I made this research in both: Ipanema and copacabana, and I conclude that you can't recognize them! It is impossible, so. We have some places where it is easier and you will problably find some workers, but take care! The best thing is to try to talk with the sellers on the tends (at the beach) they are there all the year long and they know all the workers.

I am a native carioca and I couldn't say who is a worker or not.

I hope this can help (LOL) you all:

Copacabana beach: in front of Othon Palace.

Ipanema beach: in front of Ceasar's park.

A hug

Brazil Rio

Gfechaser
08-25-08, 13:47
With all due respect, regardless of nationality, 99% of women in this planet are looking for the payoff ( taken care of ). They are looking for security ( financially that is ). yes, sometimes they pay for their own crap, but its an investment. Watch out.I agree with Mangera. It seems natural for women to want to be taken care of. The problem I find with some women is when they become overly greedy and feel as if they are entitled to your finances. I have also met women that do pay for certain items in an attempt to get the man to pay for several more expensive items in the future. The ultimate goal I think is to get involved with a woman who is a team player. However I find that most men suffer from shady-friend syndrome when picking a mate I. E. A guy will continue to hang out with a shady friend that helps get him girls however that same guy never wants to pay for anything or takes advantage of your friendship. Well men do the same thing with women. They get involved with a women that never wants to pay for anything or feel entitled to your finances men simply overlook such problems and rationalize that that is just how women are. Just like you rationalize having the shady friend around by thinking, at least he helps me get girls.

FoxesHunter
08-25-08, 15:21
Hi, I'd like to know your opinion. If you know many countries of South America, could you tell me what is the best country to meet non pro girls and what is the best country where the girls don't pay attention much about age?
thanks

Mr Enternational
08-26-08, 16:39
I was reading this here in another topic. How to recognize a working sex girl in Rio?

They ask for money!

Or are you trying to do a psychic reading by looking at someone. If so you might as well try to guess which people are carpenters and which are bus drivers. Won't work.

On the real if you try having a conversation with someone you can 99% of the time tell if they are a gdp. Most gdps will get thrown off when you bring up one subject. Ask what they do. Then maybe they have their alternate persona ready and have a canned answer such as the more common "student." Delve deeper in the subject. Questions they usually aren't ready for are what do you study, how long have you been studying/working there, when will you graduate/have vacation, in what part of rio is your school/job located, what time do you go to lunch everyday? If it's a weekday, why aren't you at school/work now? They will have a confused look on their face and it will take them a while to make up the answers.

Then too my experience is that many non-gdps on the beaches of Copacabana or Ipanema won't even speak to foreigners when they are approached. I guess they think that we automatically think they are a gdp or that we are looking for gdps. I had an experience once with one of the beach vendors. An older lady had her drop-dead-gorgeous daughter working with her and I decided to go through the mom in order to get permission to talk to the daughter. Although I speak very good Portuguese, the lady told me no and insisted that I go look for a lady on the beach in front of Help. She would not take I am not a monger for an answer. The more I told her about me and tried to convince her that I was not a monger, the more she resisted my suggestions of wanting to know her daughter and insisted that I go farther down the beach toward Help if I wanted to meet a woman.

However on the back streets in the neighborhood the ladies are much more approachable and welcoming of foreigners. There it is like taking candy from a baby.

Bubba Boy
08-26-08, 17:10
Spotting a working is not difficult, you take an educated guess. Some body that is familiar with the P4P scene in Rio will be right 75%+ of the time. Maybe higher.

In my little area that I live, I would know pretty much all the girls that live in the area and are workers. How? By speaking to people that I know who also live in the area, both gringos and locals. You see the same faces every other day, they go to the same supermarkets, sit on the same spot on the beach every weekend. It is a very gossip orientated community.

Any "local" that confesses to having no idea who is a worker and who is not, is pretty useless when in comes to advice on the local P4P scene. Doesn't know much.

I pretty much agree with everything MR International said below.

Off Road
08-26-08, 19:06
speaking of that, there was a guy in Balcony a month or so back. He thought he was really funny asking every girl in there what they did for a living. I felt it was degrading, mostly to him, as he was just doing it to put them down.
However, one girl I know quickly replied ´I rent things`.. he was not smart enough to get it. He was thrown off his routine, and asked her if she had any good apartments for rent. She looked at me and we just rolled our eyes..

Speaking of students.. we sometimes refer to the local places like ´falcudade do Help´, or Help College, because all of the girls say they are students. Help is also refered to as the Ingreja (church) because they tell their family they were at church praying (for clients)..

I agree with Bubba and International, if you talk to a gal for a few minutes you will pretty much know if they are a GDP or not. Since I live here I know a lot of the regulars and will sit and chat with them, and they will point out who is or is not.

In any case, just treat them nice and do not assume they are a GPD. When I was new here, when they would ask to sit down with me, I would say somethiing like, I am not looking for company right now, thanks.. that would provoke a very negative response, like I am not a GPD, what were you thinking, I just wanted to talk.. of course they were a GDP but do not like to be assumed as one..

Sperto
08-26-08, 20:48
I was reading this here in another topic. How to recognize a working sex girl in Rio?
Just ask her name.
If she answers "50 reais", then it's a working girl.

Spotting GP's is quite easy. You have to look at the whole perspective.
- How they dress.
- How they speak. Loud voices and vulgar language.
- Their body language.
- The way she looks at guys. Sizing them up as potential customers.
- They smile and flirt to much and to quickly.
- As a gringo you will propably get an invation just from the way she looks at you. Looking to much and to long in a hungry way. Like a wolf spotting a sheep.
- The majority of these wonderful GP's could just as well had P-U-T-A written on their foreheads.

If you are in doubt about if the girl is a GP, just ask a local. He will know.

Off Road
08-27-08, 02:28
1. Sit in bar alone
2. Make eye contact
3. Smile

She will do the rest.

Ryjerrob
08-29-08, 15:50
1. Sit in bar alone
2. Make eye contact
3. Smile

She will do the rest.

You forgot to mention:

Eye Color - Green (the color of money)
Personality - Drama Queens
Religion - Worshipers of Money

ryjer

Acenva
08-29-08, 17:05
You forgot to mention:

Eye Color - Green (the color of money)
Personality - Drama Queens
Religion - Worshipers of Money

ryjer

Ask how often you go to Europe? If they answer yes then you got your answer.

Look at their cell phones.... If it is the newest phone available then they are a seasoned pro and some joker in the US or Europe is footing the bill..