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You really believe that this can be a case of shrinkage? ...
And I never jump into the pool any more since he was in there...:)
I'm glad I didn't use the pool after all, considering the effects! And 1Ball told me the water wasn't cold! ;)
I'm glad I didn't use the pool after all, considering the effects! And 1Ball told me the water wasn't cold! ;)Piper1,
Good that you did not use the pool. It was a damned expensive stay from 1Ball for us - we changed the water afterwards.
Giotto
So here they are, for all the world to see. Mrs Giotto had just died her hair a lovely blonde that day.
Looks like Giotto lost some weight. What's up G, Mrs. making you pump harder? Keep it up.
Looks like Giotto lost some weight. What's up G, Mrs. making you pump harder? Keep it up.Sir Duniawala,
Life is hard here. Too many ISG members are visiting us, and then this Vice President of the "Club of the Bestards" - that costs nerves.
No time to eat any more, permanently cleaning up all the mess here.
Giotto
...just coming back from Germany last week. The picture shows how life is there.
Giotto
Old Thai Hand
06-01-06, 08:57
...just coming back from Germany last week. The picture shows how life is there.
Giotto
I think perhaps, you shouldn't be so reckless. Think about their families, for G*d's sake!
mmmmmmmmm....However, I do like the girl. She has really nice, white skin.
mmmmmmmmm....However, I do like the girl. She has really nice, white skin.Old Thai Hand,
that could be you and your girlfriend, right?
Giotto
Old Thai Hand
06-01-06, 11:42
Old Thai Hand,
that could be you and your girlfriend, right?
Giotto
ya. seems a pretty good likeness. the muscles and physique seem about right.
But, again, you've failed to protect my anonymity. What if my students saw this? They'd get jealous, I'd be called "jaow chuu" and all hell would break loose.
ya. seems a pretty good likeness. the muscles and physique seem about right.
But, again, you've failed to protect my anonymity. What if my students saw this? They'd get jealous, I'd be called "jaow chuu" and all hell would break loose.Old Thai Hand,
Don't worry, you look quite cold! No Thai woman will really be interested...:) !
Giotto
...just coming back from Germany last week. The picture shows how life is there.
Giotto
Tsk…tsk… Giotto. Why are you messing around with the LBs now? Life must be really hard there and a real shortage of women.
Old Thai Hand
06-01-06, 16:16
Tsk…tsk… Giotto. Why are you messing around with the LBs now? Life must be really hard there and a real shortage of women.
Duni
I think that's just long, black pubic hair. You know how hairy German women are? I had a German GF once. You'd need a machete to cut through the underbrush down there, not to mention what was growing in her pits.
Then again....Giotto's Lodge IS turning gay. Did you see the dick competition between Giotto and 1Ball?
Not much to shout about. But, they both seemed mighty proud.
Then again....Giotto's Lodge IS turning gay. Did you see the dick competition between Giotto and 1Ball?
Not much to shout about. But, they both seemed mighty proud.Old Thai Hand, Duniawala,
Bestards! OK, let's change themes now. I think we must increase the level again.
Bad news today: The Duck gets married! I will write about that tomorrow.
Giotto
i'm now safely in hk, in a proper hotel and not some hole in los. thought i'd share some thoughts on this place i stayed at the last 5 nights and 6 days. i wrote it on the plane over:
just left los, 35,000 ft in the air, on my way to hk and thought i spend a few minutes sharing some thoughts about a small boutique hotel. rather than posting on giotto’s thread, thought hotel thread more appropriate and for wider audience. feel free to copy over to giotto’s.
1. think of giotto’s lodge like a large bed and breakfast set up. all the amenities of home, the personal care of the owner, his wife and great staff. whether you’re a newbie to los or a regular like me, there’s always something to learn from mr. g. his advice is unbiased, common sense and to the point. sure, it’s not a five star hotel, nor is there 24 hour room, i mean, food service (room service is 24/7 if you pay the barfine!) – hey, it’s bkk!
2. i found the room extremely cozy, has a safe to store valuables, wi-fi works great – so you can always stay connected to isg. i also told mr. g, loved the bed, pillows and comforter. my only negative is wish for a shower…but not a big deal. the jacuzzi made up for it.
3. i work as well as play so up fairly early every morning. i’m happy to report they do serve breakfast – standard american and great coffee. not sure what else available. always ate on the bar or next to the pool. i guess no one else staying here works…in my 5 days, never saw another guest downstairs….but passed a lot of do not disturb signs…lol
4. the sportsman bar is a fun place, and the girls are all great. fair share of hotties, etc. but all have a great attitude, look to please and straight shooters. absolutely no fear of getting ripped off. for newbies, giotto will warn you which ones not to fall in love with – a few could break your heart. i brought a newbie protégé business associate for the sat pool party, and he told me ms. t was the best he ever had (and of course there is ms. d, ms. f, the list goes on and on).
5. the pool for those who swim is great….wish it was about 5 meters longer. i did laps early morning as well as early evening. wish giotto told me 1ball had polluted it…but i wear goggles and ear plugs to minimize any infection (and take a long [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) after i swim).
6. there are always some other board member there...always nice to have a great wingman. if not, giotto himself will be available :)
7. last reason to try giotto’s: the ‘duck’. i will admit i did not barfine her…absolutely no excuse on my part. next visit, maybe….
it might not be for you but it would your mistake not to try it out!
ok giotto, so i wrote my piece, now do i get my discount voucher?
roflmao :dtraveler1234,
bed and breakfast.
that makes me think. may be our concept is wrong.
giotto
ps: damned, we really forgot your voucher...i must implement a system for that, my fault. sorry for that, next time you get two of them!
Traveler1234
06-02-06, 04:12
Traveler1234,
Bed and Breakfast.
That makes me think. May be our concept is wrong.
Giotto
PS: Damned, we really forgot your voucher...I must implement a system for that, my fault. Sorry for that, next time you get two of them!
It was my pleasure to write the report, the hospitality and staff speak for itself...no need for any voucher.
But I would not object to getting my same room 118, AND 'Fon' as my personal guide for one night :D
It was my pleasure to write the report, the hospitality and staff speak for itself...no need for any voucher.
But I would not object to getting my same room 118, AND 'Fon' as my personal guide for one night :D
Giotto - give T1234 100 vouchers (I'll pay for them), but keep him away from Fon. He cannot be trusted!
Traveler1234
06-02-06, 04:17
I couldn't resist - you're just too photogenic, but I reluctantly agree to your legal demands. Here's a pic you took. I wasn't going to post it but it's better than going to jail. Also a Pim pic to butter you up. Just saw her on the foursome video - she's a screamer. :)
Damn - sorry to say when G and I went back to Five Star wed night, she was off. But I am going to keep her on my list of girls for next trip. If you get there first, get her number for me :)
Damn - sorry to say when G and I went back to Five Star wed night, she was off. But I am going to keep her on my list of girls for next trip. If you get there first, get her number for me :)All jokes aside, I've never seen a girl fall for a guy in such a short time. What's your secret? Do you speak Thai?
All jokes aside, I've never seen a girl fall for a guy in such a short time. What's your secret? Do you speak Thai?
No, he doesn't. She put her hands down his pants, and found this. it was love at first sight.....
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=44555
T1234. you are wrong there, the Duck was nothing special. Sure she has a bubbly little personality, but her performance is marginal at best. I will not be repeating. Not wanting to be a cheap Charlie, but I also didn't feel the value was there. The first girl I had a couple of weeks earlier was better. I also believe, the sexy dancer Miss F, who stole Piper's heart, until the ugly divorce 3 days later, would be a better choice.
The duck has been fortunate to have become infamous in these pages over the past few weeks, but her reputation belies her talents.
That being said, she is a sweetheart and very attentive, while she is working the deal.
JMHO, of course. YMMV.Mr. Vice President,
everything is relative. And it obviously depends on both partners whether it works or not.
I received conflicting reports about the qualities of The Duck, but I can see the red line in it: Young handsome guys love her and her qualities, and come back again and again. Old bestards are more reluctant in the comments...ahhh, I can understand The Duck so well (after I saw you in our swimming pool).
I will look for some more experienced ladies (age 65 and up), which will provide a good service for you in the future :).
Giotto
Dear Groom,
Let me first congratulate you to your decision to get married to our infamous lady The Duck. I wish you the best for your future, and also for the future of The Duck.
I know that such an important decision in life is never easy, but you took more than a week to make that decision. Due to the fact that you already know her 2 month and you saw each other 2 times 5 days in a row I am quite sure, that it will work well with you and The Duck. She is looking for somebody to marry since she started working here in Livingstone’s, and now she is finally so close to reaching her targets. You are a lucky man, that she selected you!
As an experienced Asia traveler you were around in all Asian countries, and we talked about our experiences with hundreds of Asian ladies-of-the-night many times in our Sports Lounge. I know that if you now select one of those girls to be your wife you are aware of the risks, and you know what you do. To get married in life is anyway a minor issue, in Thailand you can get divorced again easily if it does not work out.
Thai women (and especially those from Isaan) need strong men and leadership, they want somebody who guide them in life, because most of them are not able to find their own ways in life. For that the age difference of more than 30 years should not be a big deal – the safety and future you can provide for The Duck will give her all she wants, and I doubt that a younger man could be a better partner for her.
All the hope she has in her heart now make her smile all day long. She sees a future in her life, she will not need to work in a bar any more, and she can do that what her mother prepared her for all life: she can take care of her husband. She is preparing herself for the time with you now: She stayed with that American guy she liked so much (before!) 2 days ago, and since yesterday staying with her long time customer from Japan upstairs in our room for some more days – only to tell them how happy she is to get married to you now, no sex! In the future, when she stays with you in Europe – all that will not be possible any more. Then – she will be faithful, for sure!
BTW: She planned all that very so well for you, the Japanese customer leaves exactly the day when you arrive, so she can wait at the airport and doesn’t have to spend (your) money twice for the taxi to the airport. The only thing I am worried about in the moment is the option that that Japanese guy decides to stay one day longer – but we don’t want to talk about a worst-case scenario here…
Europe: I talked to her a little bit about Europe, that it can be cold there, and what she can do when she stays with you there in the cold and rainy time. She does not expect any problems, she will stay with you in your apartment and hug you, will be close to you, will make love to you all the time. The next 30 years. After that you will be around 85 years old. And I know that you can stand this for sure at least 2 days long (before you run away and get drunk in a pub somewhere), I think that will be sufficient to make her happy for the rest of her life.
I know that you will not be so stupid to marry her the real Thai or even European legal way – you will just marry her in the Buddhist tradition. This is much more important for her – the monks procedure, the many baht gold and the dowry you give to her parents. She will be so happy that she can show to everybody what a man is willing to give for her. A young woman, in the early 20th, at the beginning of her future which will provide such a good life for her.
Love is what you feel, and love is of course the fundament of your marriage. This love will bridge all cultural differences, language problems (but her English is brilliant, I know, she always brings the bill when a customer orders a Bitburger), the climatic change she is undergoing when she moves to Europe, and of cause the age difference, too. Love is what counts, and you love her so much; you have proved that your love is consistent – the last 2 month. She has also proved her love to you, she was “faithful” to you EVERY SINGLE DAY since you left, and she told me exactly which photos I should e-mail to you ( she never allowed me to send those ones where she just hugged somebody ), and which one I had to delete. Oh my god, I sometimes joked that I would send those pictures, but she was so scared about the possible interruption of the money inflow from Europe that she nearly killed me then.
I talked to her a little bit about love, marriage and long time partnership, I try to do the best to prepare her for the future. But all that is not so important for her, important is that somebody takes care of her, and that she gets married, and that she can invite everybody to this huge wedding party which is planned to take place here in Livingstone’s, and everybody gets a present – thanks for all that. Good business for us, and what can be a better event than seeing two human beings happily united to spend their future together?!?
I know that both of you are very well prepared for that future, and that you will prove together, that the standard Thai-Farang marriage story can never happen to you: A young Thai woman sitting at home in rainy cold Europe, lonely because her husband is working all the time, no contacts, because not so many Thai people are around, crying her eyes our of her head, and the only target is to go back to Thailand asap. It will never happen that this girl develops horny feelings, but you will be too old to satisfy her sexually. It will never happen that she discovers that the feeling in her heart is like the feeling for her father, and that it needs more to be married for a long time. It will never happen that she has to return to Thailand, give up her marriage and loosing face to everybody - her family, her friends. It will never happen that you get tired of a simple Thai girl, when you discover that you cannot discuss about the stock market and the critical influence of the interest hike from the FED to the world economy. It will never happen that she will find out that there might be another woman in your life. It will never happen that you will find out that there might be another young man in her life.
No, all that can never happen to both of you! You know each other long time, and you are well prepared for all the odds.
So, good luck to both of you, I know that both of you will be very happy.
And if you have a minute time beside all the preparation work for the wedding – sit down and think (just a little bit) about the possibility that both of you are right now going to destroy each others lifes…and rule it out!
This letter is my wedding present for both of you. Sorry, I cannot do more than writing this letter. I wish I could.
Good luck to you, and all the Best!
Giotto
PS: Review of the Story: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471285
Old Thai Hand
06-02-06, 08:40
G
WOW! Nicely put. Not only should this be a report of distinction, but should be laminated and posted in the airport for all the stupid idiots who come here, fall in love with a BG quickly and make this same mistake, over and over again.
Taipei Traveller
06-02-06, 09:22
OTH,
I would agree totally, but lets not restrict that notice just to Thailand, applies in a lot of other Asian countries as well.
Taipei Traveller
06-02-06, 09:24
giotto,
does this now mean that my introducing the duck to [CodeWord117] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117) will have to be abandonned, as she wont be present.
Got to the Lodge about 2:00am last night; just my luck, the sports bar had just closed. Nonetheless, the ever gracious Dr G ordered two fine looking TGs to fix my jet lag. It was a difficult decision, but I decided not to pick up the good doctor’s instant jet lag remedy ;)
I learned from my last time here that you need to make a connection for things to work out in your favor, and I knew going straight upstairs (even with the well stocked mini-bar) would not give me enough time.
I decided to stretch my legs and walked down to Soi Cowboy. The place was still busy, with only a few bars closed and lots of girls (well maybe not) in the middle of the street. I was grabbed by two, not sure what they were (to their favor, they looked like very attractive TGs); however, why were they not BF’d? Now I’m rarely called a handsome man, and they did not know I was rich man (well after you convert dollar to baht) so I erred on the side of caution and gave them the brush off.
Feeling tired I decided to call it a night and headed back to the Lodge. Lucky me, another interesting find. A few girls got together and pitched up a make shift bar on the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi Cowboy, running from 10:00pm-5:30am. They even had a small bar with bar stools. To make a short story long, I had a great time chatting up the girls and connected with one that had the biggest booty I ever saw on a TG. She really worked me hard (no pun intended), and I even awoke to a bj (and this was after we settled on short time the night before).
So if you are getting in late, there is a new place literally right on the street. I’ll try to get more pictures later this week, although plan to spend my evening trying to make it up to the two gorgeous TGs I passed on last night. I’ve attached a picture, here is the advanced warning: No face or identifying marks per this forum, and if you don’t like big booty don’t say you were not warned :)
Traveler1234
06-02-06, 10:56
No, he doesn't. She put her hands down his pants, and found this. it was love at first sight.....
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=44555
Now I know why 1Ball was complaining of her services...or her inability to find anything to service.
It was my pleasure to write the report, the hospitality and staff speak for itself...no need for any voucher.
But I would not object to getting my same room 118, AND 'Fon' as my personal guide for one night :DTraveler1234,
Thanks for your report. I will comment later on your critical issues.
Regarding the room and Fon: The room is OK, we will pay a bar fine for you, and if Fon still works here and she agrees - everything is OK. But it is, rules of the house, up to Fon, too.
Thanks again.
Giotto
Now I know why 1Ball was complaining of her services...or her inability to find anything to service.Traveler1234,
yes, that is it. That must be the reason. That is the ONLY possible explanation.
Giotto
WOW! Nicely put. Not only should this be a report of distinction, but should be laminated and posted in the airport for all the stupid idiots who come here, fall in love with a BG quickly and make this same mistake, over and over again.Old Thai Hand,
Thanks, but I don't feel good about all that. Depression since a few days. I tried to make her understand not to destroy her life, but she does not listen.
It is not about making her stay here in Livingstone's and earning money with her, there are so many others which will work here instead of her. She is a good girl, young, unexperienced and full of dreams. I saw so many girls going down the river already - and it drives me crazy to experience such a story from the very beginning until the bad end.
And there is nothing that I can do.
Giotto
Old Thai Hand
06-02-06, 13:33
Old Thai Hand,
Thanks, but I don't feel good about all that. Depression since a few days. I tried to make her understand not to destroy her life, but she does not listen.
It is not about making her stay here in Livingstone's and earning money with her, there are so many others which will work here instead of her. She is a good girl, young, unexperienced and full of dreams. I saw so many girls going down the river already - and it drives me crazy to experience such a story from the very beginning until the bad end.
And there is nothing that I can do.
Giotto
Yes, of course there's the girl's POV, as well: a simple, uneducated Isaan farm-girl transported to cold, wet, unfriendly [name the country] without other Thais, somtam or hot weather.
But, this also extends to TGs in general who are ignorant of anything outside of this country and yet dream of some fantasy Farangland where life will be better. For example, I've been chatting with an ordinary, everyday Bangkok office girl who met an American guy online and is going to live with him in, G*d help her...Wichita, Kansas. I've tried to talk her out of it and explained that I wouldn't live in Wichita, if you paid me, and I'm a Farang and could fit in there easily. But, she just thinks about being in love with some guy she hardly knows and living in America.
Most Thai-Farang relationships are doomed unless the Farang is willing to relocate and live here. As you and I both know, even then, it's very difficult.
Regulr Travlr
06-02-06, 13:36
Giotto
I have never posted here as I have never made a mongering trip to the Far East. But I read this forum regularly for enjoyment (and also much envy).
Your letter to the Groom should be copied to the sections on LTR and Marrying Foriegn Women. Also Advice to Newbies. Just replace Thai with Colombian, Panamanian, Dominican, Russian, etc. This applies to any working girl in any country. There are so many truisms in your letter about the potential of what will happen back in the real world. I have seen bits and pieces of this advice given to guys before, But no one has compiled it into one concise document.
I know you have personal feelings over this loss. But I think you very eloquently decscribed the perils of letting the little head lead the big head.
Keep up the good work over there. I hope one day to make the long trip.
Regulr Travlr
Got to the Lodge about 2:00am last night; just my luck, the sports bar had just closed. Nonetheless, the ever gracious Dr G ordered two fine looking TGs to fix my jet lag. It was a difficult decision, but I decided not to pick up the good doctor’s instant jet lag remedy ;)Pool Guy,
Welcome back. As you see already after the first night - things are getting much easier this time.
Giotto
There's nothing wrong with falling in love with a BG as long as it's a TRANSIENT condition
What actually surprises me are the times that a BG picks ME (or is it just the BAHT???)
Oh - Wichita isn't all THAT bad - hot as hell in the summer and in the winter there's nothing between you and the Canajan north wind but a barbed wire fence (2 strand if you're lucky)
FLAT as far as the eye can see...
5$ says she'll be back in 18 months, but this time her cute stomach will have stretch marks :(
Giotto, when does this take place, or rather when is she leaving? I know Chalky wants to give her another spin....
Oh, and what country is she moving to ?
And last but not least, does the groom read ISG? in other words, will he see your letter ?
5$ says she'll be back in 18 months, but this time her cute stomach will have stretch marks :(
Giotto, when does this take place, or rather when is she leaving? I know Chalky wants to give her another spin....
Oh, and what country is she moving to ?
And last but not least, does the groom read ISG? in other words, will he see your letter ?Mr. Vice President,
I don't think she can make it 18 month. Stretch marks - possible, more likely she will already come back during her pregnancy.
The groom arrives on Monday. The wedding shall take place within the next 10 days after his arrival. Cannot tell the country she is moving to. But the groom is not ISG reader, otherwise I would not have written it here.
May be, if I am in the same bad mood like right now, I will tell him about the ISG. He will then be a reader within hours.
Yes - I have to think about that. May be a good idea.
Giotto
Next Chapter of the Soap Opera "Ducks Wedding":
A serious Duck sitting at the swimming pool around 1 am this morning.
Me: "What's wrong?"
She: "Nothing."
Me: "Why are you not upstairs with the Japanese customer?"
She: "No, [Duck name] go home, sleep home today."
Me: "Why?"
She: "[Groom Name] angry if I barfined."
I turned around, went into the Sports Lounge, did not understand the world any more, and called it a day.
Does this guy really know that she stayed with that Japanese man yesterday? Does that guy really know that she wanted to stay with that Japanese guy this night?
Somebody out there please give me a serious job. Taxidriver in Singapore or something like that.
Giotto
Hmmm. Not sure what to make of Miss Duck's dilemma. She's looking for a husband, and she found one. If not him it will be another guy. Will be difficult for both of them, but who knows, they may just be lucky in the end. Chances are there, but slim.
Traveler1234
06-02-06, 22:38
Traveler1234,
Thanks for your report. I will comment later on your critical issues.
Regarding the room and Fon: The room is OK, we will pay a bar fine for you, and if Fon still works here and she agrees - everything is OK. But it is, rules of the house, up to Fon, too.
Thanks again.
Giotto
Ha ha...thanks for the arrangement...LOL.
I fully concur and respect the rules of the house, it will be up to me to 'connect' with Fon and she will have to decide whether she prefers me over that Bastard Piper.
The real question is what magic T1234 really has: the one described by 1Ball or The Traveler?
All joking aside, I feel bad for her. BGs in general are so desperate to find themselves in the situation the duck cuRRently finds herself in, that all rational thought (what little there is) goes out the window. the only thing that matters is "I HAVE A FARANG HUSBAND"
regardless of which country it is, if it is cold in the winter, she is in for a shock, no matter how much it is explAined to her what cold means. (Giotto, do you have a big refirgerator in the kitchen? put her in there for 5 minutes with a sweater and hat)
But there will be no Pratunam, no som tum, no giggling with the girls, no eating dinner on the street at 2.00 AM, no running home to Isaan for Songkran.
There will be hanging out with this guy, who Giotto tells us is a lot older than her, in a strange country, (is english widely spoken there?), and other than the bevy of girls who went to Switzerland to work, and are now back in LOS, living in the town up north called, I believe "little Switzerland", the success stories are few and far between.
She will get bored with this guy, and probably go out and meet guys, and turn tricks in sleazy motels around the corner.
And it is all such a shame, as I know the duck, and she is very cute, and very sweet, and deserves so much more.
C'est la vie.
Giotto, if Mrs Giotto feels the same as you do, can't she drum some sense into that thick skull of the duck?
why not go live with this guy for 2 months in his own country, then see how it goes?
All joking aside, I feel bad for her. BGs in general are so desperate to find themselves in the situation the duck cuRRently finds herself in, that all rational thought (what little there is) goes out the window. the only thing that matters is "I HAVE A FARANG HUSBAND"
regardless of which country it is, if it is cold in the winter, she is in for a shock, no matter how much it is explAined to her what cold means. (Giotto, do you have a big refirgerator in the kitchen? put her in there for 5 minutes with a sweater and hat)
But there will be no Pratunam, no som tum, no giggling with the girls, no eating dinner on the street at 2.00 AM, no running home to Isaan for Songkran.
There will be hanging out with this guy, who Giotto tells us is a lot older than her, in a strange country, (is english widely spoken there?), and other than the bevy of girls who went to Switzerland to work, and are now back in LOS, living in the town up north called, I believe "little Switzerland", the success stories are few and far between.
She will get bored with this guy, and probably go out and meet guys, and turn tricks in sleazy motels around the corner.
And it is all such a shame, as I know the duck, and she is very cute, and very sweet, and deserves so much more.
C'est la vie.
I am reading the Duck opera in this forum. Like in business we should do this typical decision matrix, writing advantage and disadvantage for both cases.
As I understood the guy is probably in the late 50s.
We all know that there is 90% or more the chance that this marriage turns in the way it was described here.
However, we have to consider her alternative if she does not marry him.
1) She will continue working, being barefined, having nightly satisfaction rounds (Giotto, how was the ducks barfine ‘utilization’ = %ntage?) for the next 10 years. I guess she needs to continue as there is no other Job alternative for her generating that much income to have a rather comfortable life.
2) Will she find an alternative, a better aged farang guy, who wants to marry her and doesn’t just want to have her pussy. I guess no reader of this board might do it.
3) Will there be somehow attractive Thai guy alternatives with some higher then poor income who don’t mind to marry a Thai Bargirl years in the job?
4) Would any of this alternatives potentially help her family?
5) Would there be any of the guys trying to convince her not to marry help her in bad days, without return of investment in terms of pussy usage?
I think this are the questions she considered when making this decision.
I think she very well knows about the risk of this decision and that for a lucky live in love the chance is rather low, but is a lucky life in Thailand granted?
There is at least a chance that she gets some money later when the guy might die while she is still in middle age. We don’t know his family background, but it should be a divorced person, which might have already a family with kids. So maybe not so much to earn ‘later’.
If she marries and then comes back after 1 year and break up? Maybe no material advantage, bus as well no disadvantage. Giotto might still take her and she can continue her previous job.
The only real risk I see is a potential baby.
So what? Why not ‘allowing’ her to take the minimum chance if the other alternative life does not look promising either?
Just my 1000 won
Regards
Brain666
BTW: I am planning to check Livingstones in August personally. Without considering marriage, but don't tell the girls right now.
Old Thai Hand
06-03-06, 04:04
In thinking about it further, I think that Brain666 is basically right. She doesn't really have many alternatives in her life that to gamble on this situation.
1/ No Thai man would go near her with a barge pole
2/ No Farang in Thailand would probably go near her either for marriage because most established Farang know the score and the pitfalls involved in marrying a BG. Most also have access to regular TGs with some education and don't need to go the BG route.
3/ The alternative is to try to hook a Farang who wants to come here to live, but doesn't know the score, yet. This is a VERY difficult thing to achieve unless she finds someone who has been here and tasted the "Thai magic" and who wants to desparately abandon his sorry life in the West for Nirvana here. In doing so, he had better have a lot of money to live on or invest (like Herr Giotto).
3/ I assume she has minumum education and therefore can't probably get another job of any substance other than in a factory. Having already tasted better money, and coming from Isaan she has that built-in laziness that Isaan farmgirls have that begs for the most money for the least work (screwing for relatively short times for big money as opposed to slaving in a factory for 10 hours/day for 3,000 baht/month).
4/ The life-span of her current work is relatively short. Like professional football players, BGs have to maximize their earnings in the few good years they have in the business. Few actually achieve this. Most live the good life, blow all that easy money and find themselves, burned out 2nd stringers at 26 or so, forced to work in those small, lousy bars in Bangkok, Pattaya or Phuket that will still hire them or out in the boondocks like Cha-am or Hua Hin. Finally, after they are tired out old hags at 30+,they end up in some place like Khorat Park turning tricks for 200 baht. The relatively few BGs that get out with some money, often open beauty salons. This seems to be the post-BG profession of choice. Most of these I have met are usually single, having had a broken relationship or two either with a Thai and/or Farang.
5/ If she can come away from this with a bit of money, it might be worth it for her to give it a try.
From her perspective, she has no options really, but to either continue with her life which definitely has no future or to take a chance on this.
Sure, it will probably fail. But, she might come away from it with something. Let's just hope it's a bit of money and not a baby.
I fully concur and respect the rules of the house, it will be up to me to 'connect' with Fon and she will have to decide whether she prefers me over that Bastard Piper.
The real question is what magic T1234 really has: the one described by 1Ball or The Traveler?Traveler1234,
You should not have any "Bestard Piper1" problem, because he completely pissed her off! Taking her first, for some nights, and then changing to somebody else - this is a deadly sin in the POV of those girls. Piper1 was her customer, and he MUST stay her customer until he dies :) . Of course she can have different men every night, that is different. Because she is "working" !
Regarding you "equipment" involved - just bring both, and you will be fine!
Giotto
Giotto
I have never posted here as I have never made a mongering trip to the Far East. But I read this forum regularly for enjoyment (and also much envy).
Your letter to the Groom should be copied to the sections on LTR and Marrying Foriegn Women. Also Advice to Newbies. Just replace Thai with Colombian, Panamanian, Dominican, Russian, etc. This applies to any working girl in any country. There are so many truisms in your letter about the potential of what will happen back in the real world. I have seen bits and pieces of this advice given to guys before, But no one has compiled it into one concise document.
I know you have personal feelings over this loss. But I think you very eloquently decscribed the perils of letting the little head lead the big head.
Keep up the good work over there. I hope one day to make the long trip.
Regulr TravlrRegulr Travlr,
Thanks, you are very welcome to post here.
If you think this report might be of interest for others just post a link in those threads.
It is not the LOSS which makes me feel bad in all this story - I stay in Thailand since years now, and I know how that story will end for both of them. There is NO CHANCE, that this will work. I know the groom as well as the bride.
Giotto
The next chapter:
Came down at around 11 am today, and about an hour later the Japanese Guy and his friend had breakfast, together with 2 ladies. One of the ladies - The Duck.
Obviously she changed her mind, it broke her heart to let her old good friend and customer sleep alone last night. I doubt that groom will know about that.
Yesterday evening / night she was somehow "flying" around in Livingstone's, smiling at everybody, dressed in the latest fashion, all clothes new. For that the Japanese guy had paid, for sure. She then invited some girls to have dinner with her outside in the restaurant, and she created a huge invoice which of course will be paid by her Japanese customer.
We had a professional photographer inside the Sports Lounge yesterday night, who was taking pictures of all the action going on inside (I think some customers are really pissed off now, because they fear that their pictures will be published - but of course this will NOT happen). The Duck decided that she needed her own photo session outside on the pool. Now we have a series of Duck Pictures.
What will bring the next chapter if this drama? Has the relationship between The Duck and the Japanese guy stabilized? First problems occuring for groom and bride?
All the answers, and a lot more in the next chapter of: "The Ducks Wedding"
Giotto
Neyzen Tevfik
06-03-06, 09:26
Guys,
First of all, I do apologize for not having time to read back so long into the forum, in order to be sure if this "DUCK'S WEDDING" subject is really being seriously discussed or, just for killing leisure time.
But, IF YOU ARE serious about this (it may be Giotto's joke, but I see that the level of involvement in this subject has already carried the subject away from that), I have a few words for all friends here.
First of all, the time reserved for the discussion of this subject makes it a serious one (if it started as a joke).
You may be good-hearted fathers, family relatives, citizens of a suburb street or, a neighborhood or, business patrons in your lives. Think about those times YOU have given advices to your friends, relatives, boys or girls, about love and marriage.
I cannot believe my eyes when I read how prejudiced some of you can be. These people (Groom and Duck) are HUMAN. They are not some creatures whom you feed and thus, believe that you OWN. In fact, there is no such thing as owning a pet, the animal also has it rights to do whatever it wants. This right is given to it by nature or, the creator, depending on the type of your belief. Even if you (I don't know who holds the deed of the DUCK in his hands) owned her as a daughter or slave, would you feel that you had the right to control her life?
Whatever the statistics may say, how can any of you be sure that she will return back pregnant or, she will be bored or, he will be bored, etc...? Did any one of you listen to your parents, when they were telling you that your palms would get hairy if you masturbated so much? Or, did any one of you listen to your parents (I'm talking aboutparents here, not the bar employer who thinks he should steer the life of another human being just because she is his employee), when your mother said that the girl you want to marry is a sl*t ? Well, she may actually have turned out to be one, but all of us had the right to LIVE AND LEARN it ourselves, instead of making use of experiences.
You may have told these with goodwill. Weren't our mother telling her advices to us with goodwill? What did we do? We did not listen to her (some may have, of course). Mostly, we quarreled with out families for being so much prejudiced.
Even if what all you are foreseeing here had more than a reasonable probability to happen (say, more than %50); does any one of you have the right (Mr. Giotto, my words are to you) to change her life? Yes, as a friend, or boss, or as a brother (whatever you may call it), you may sit down and talk to her and tell her what you feel about her leaving and how you THINK about the future of this marriage.
But, that's all. It is up to that HUMAN being to decide. After all, it's her life. The same applies to the Groom. It's none of nobody's business after that.
I was surprised to read all through these comments, babbles, gossips and sarcastic so-called life experiences (it is also surprising that so many of you has seen so much farang-BG marriages gone bad. By reading your posts, one thinks there are so many experienced marriage consultants or life coaches here) just similar to women chatting in a barber saloon.
Please #1 : Do not be offended but, we (MEN) do like gossip more than women, don't we?
Please #2 : Guys, try to put yourselves in the Groom's shoes AND the DUCK's shoes in the order told in this sentence ?
Please #3 : I do not intend to start a flame war here. I will not write on this subject again. And I beg yourselves to try NOT to answer this post but, just read it. And do the accounting inside yourselves...
PS : Did I take it too seriously and fell into the trap like a bum ? Well, let it be. I already took that risk.
Sincerely yours,
The groom arrives on Monday. The wedding shall take place within the next 10 days after his arrival. Cannot tell the country she is moving to. But the groom is not ISG reader, otherwise I would not have written it here.
May be, if I am in the same bad mood like right now, I will tell him about the ISG. He will then be a reader within hours.
Yes - I have to think about that. May be a good idea.
Giotto
Old Thai Hand
06-03-06, 10:11
Neyzen
No flame...just the facts.
Most here talk about this because we have extensive experience in this topic. You are, I'm sorry to say an outsider and speak from an outsider's perspective. It is an ill-informed perspective and therefore faulty. You don't know Thailand, Thai people and Thai women in particular. This story is almost as old as the oldest profession. It takes on a whole new meaning in Thailand. When we say the relationship will probably fail, we are not merely talking through our hats, as it were. We've seen it happen so many times that it's almost an inevitability. When we say she could likely become pregnant, we say this because the large number of single Thai women who have babies with Farang and are abandoned by them is substantial enough to warrant our concern in this particular scenario.
Giotto's latest post regarding the Duck's change of heart with her Japanese customer, her flaunting her new clothes, expensive dinner that she didn't have to pay for...is the easy money that seduces these simple country girls into thinking there is no tomorrow, there is no end to the gravy train and they needn't worry. Of course, tomorrow comes, the money's gone and they have to start all over again. They act like this in their marriages, as well. The number one conflict between "reformed" BGs and their newly acquired Farang husbands is about money, largely because these girls have no money-sense, don't know how to budget and think the endless flow they enjoyed while screwing a different guy every day will continue ad infinitum with their new Farang husbands.
It is not prejudice. It is simple reality. These girls are stupid, uneducated and can't see beyond what they know at that particular moment in time. It is ingrained in the culture and tied very strongly to Buddhism. "Nobody knows the future, so why think about it" is a very Thai way of thinking. Isaan people, governed as they are by a work ethic that requires intense labor for a short period of time, while planting rice and large amounts of mind-numbing idleness, while they wait for it to grow take this immediacy of life and ignoring the future to a new and stupifying level.
It is no wonder that the rest of the country refers to Isaan people as "Bug-si-der", a somewhat charming Isaan word meaning "simple-minded" in the sense of wide-eyed and innocent, that has been co-opted and corrupted by Thais to something akin to "country bumpkin", "village idiot" or even worse, "ignorant clod". Unfortunately, it's not always that far from the truth. So, the idea that one of these "simple folk", in this case the "Duck" could survive in a highly developed, urbanized, industrialized Western country filled with people yammering on in a foreign language about all kinds of topics and issues that are of no interest or concern to her, and that she couldn't discuss or more importantly wouldn't want to discuss anything of interest with her new husband beyond what he wants for dinner dooms this relationship.
The guy in this case isn't very far-sighted either succumbing as he has to what someone aptly called in one of the other threads, the "Thai voodoo". He's obviously basking in the afteglow of the sex and isn't looking beyond that to the day-to-day reality of the hard work, and difficulty of making a marriage work and that's a marriage with someone from your own culture. Think about a marriage to someone who's not just from another culture, but one that is so foreign and alien to anything you know, you couldn't possibly understand it unless you lived in it for years.
Yet, after all of that, I still think she doesn't have too many options as already discussed, except perhaps to become the GIG of the Japanese guy and con him into sending her an allowance every month that she can flash around to her friends.
Neyzen
........
Yet, after all of that, I still think she doesn't have too many options as already discussed, except perhaps to become the GIG of the Japanese guy and con him into sending her an allowance every month that she can flash around to her friends.
As similar in my previous post, I fully agree to the above.
She does not have so much options then probably to try, except the Japanese will make a last minute call.
Giotto needs to decide weather to protect 'his duck' or the gringo, but there is no option in my opinion to 'aggressively urge her' to avoid it, or use other tricks.
All what I read here looks like Giotto cries his eyes out to see 'his lovely duck' potentially running in a bad future.
So how about Giotto to make her an offer that she is welcomed to return and potentially offer to pay the return ticket for her, in case she likes coming home to 'dad (Giotto)' when it fails and the husband does not let her go.
This would be the best attitude a caring boss could do.
regards
Brain666
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Neyzen
No flame...just the facts.
OTH you have summed it up so well!! Actually should be marked for distinction IMHO! But as a newbie I am not sure how to do it.
I also may not have the experience of some of the very regulars here but I have worked in LOS and I still see the same thing happening all the time with the girls that come to HKG.
I recently got dragged into the middle of a situation between a girl that went to the States on a fiance visa to meet up with hubby to be but couldn't stop mailing and texting her other 'customers'. Hubby to be got her e mail password read eveything and threw her out as well as sending all the mails to everybody else in her mailing list with pitures. Fun reading for some, embarassing for others!!! She did not last a week in the States! She is now back in BKK
I happen to be in BKK today so I am on my way to Giotto's to hear the latest.
Traveler1234,
You should not have any "Bestard Piper1" problem, because he completely pissed her off! Taking her first, for some nights, and then changing to somebody else - this is a deadly sin in the POV of those girls. Piper1 was her customer, and he MUST stay her customer until he dies :) . Of course she can have different men every night, that is different. Because she is "working" !
Giotto
Hey, I was "working" too! ;)
I, like many others, have seen this happen many times before, not only in BKK. Take a girl as a regular and they get upset if you change girls, despite the fact they take different men all the time. It's a bit easier for me in Dubai, as I make it clear from the beginning that I'm married, my bachelor days are for limited time periods, and there's no chance of a long-term arrangement.
JuiceSpike
06-03-06, 13:42
Duck Lovers,
To say the girls are stupid shows little understanding of people. To us, educated Thai pussy lovers, these girls may seem stupid but they are not. You cannot call someone stupid because they are different or act different especially if they don't have any formal education. People in general are not stupid but those who have no formal education obviously have a disadvantage, at least in trying to sound smart. I have met plenty of educated people who are actually very stupid. What is their excuse?
How does a person become an expert on Thai hookers? OTH, you are a bit pompous to say that Neyzen is an outsider. What makes you an insider and expert? By fucking lots of "stupid" Thai hookers? Most hookers around the world with no education are "stupid" and with few choices otherwise they would not be fucking stranges for cash. It does not take an expert to figure this one out. If you think you are an elitist monger then you are living in a very small world, perhaps your world has become such from living there too long. Your expert insight tells us these girls cannot see beyond the moment but did you fucking expect? They have to live in the moment as their job, in case you have not figure it out yet, is about surviving the moment.
The whole farang/hooker thing is quite a joke. Most guys going there have no clue on what they are getting into and this apply also to some expats living there too. I really thinks the best thing is to fuck tehm, pay them and say goodbye. There is no need really to intellectualize the scene or fall in love with them.
As far as Pimp Giotto goes, I'm not sure he should be the one to save The Duck. It looks like the Japanese guy just wants to buy her out and I'm sure Giotto will find a replacement. I find it a little weird that the Pimp gossips a bit too much about the people staying there. It looks like the Japanese guy has no clue this forum exists. :D
juices
Old Thai Hand
06-03-06, 14:17
Juice
Probably "stupid" was too harsh and the wrong word to use. But, to think these girls have some native wisdom than renders them intelligent, just in a different way than us, as you seem to imply shows a basic lack of understanding of Thais in general and Isaan Thais in particular.
Thai culture in general dictates a mind-set that doesn't think ahead, think about or analyze situations. Thinking "too much" as the Thai often say gives them a headache. Knowledge and intelligence are not in actual fact that highly valued in this country. Don't forget, I'm a teacher among the supposedly best and brightest that Thailand has to offer. I see the limited nature of so-called educated Thais, (both students and teachers) on a daily basis...and they're supposed to be the smart ones. Uneducated Thais wherever they come from have a very limited understanding of anything other than the basic elements of life. What's more, they are not curious or inquisitive in anyway to find out what they don't know. They are motivated by very basic concerns, money, obviously being the main one and don't think beyond that.
Since I teach Thai culture ( including Isaan culture), am surrounded by it, immersed in it and delve into it deeper and far beyond what most Farang experience, I can confidently call myself an expert on this country and its people.
Also, you should know by my posts that I don't generally fuck hookers. I am on this board, but not really part of the lifestyle promoted on this board. Still I have a fairly in-depth knowledge of all the elements of the mongering scene, including the issue here.
Finally you raise the old 3F issue. In my opinion, those who practice the 3Fs, no matter how many hundreds of times they've been here never move beyond the monger scene and a very cursory, superficial understanding of this country and its people, especially, in this case, its women.
Traveler1234
06-03-06, 14:26
Hey, I was "working" too! ;)
I, like many others, have seen this happen many times before, not only in BKK. Take a girl as a regular and they get upset if you change girls, despite the fact they take different men all the time. It's a bit easier for me in Dubai, as I make it clear from the beginning that I'm married, my bachelor days are for limited time periods, and there's no chance of a long-term arrangement.
I absolutely agree with all...which is why I decided at the very beginning not to barfine anyone at G's. Bought them drink or two, was polite and looked interested but in the end, if you barfine one for the night and then change, you're either consider a butterfly (and which one of us isn't?) or will get cold treatment from the entire stable.
Traveler1234
06-03-06, 14:32
I think (in fact I sure) G means well with his original letter, having seen so much shit in his many years in Thailand. As I posted in earlier review of his place, he gives sound and unbias advice to both newbies and regulars. And we should listen when he speaks.....
However I also agree with others that maybe Duck, her marriage to this guy and the japanese client should best be left to the three of them and not be an issue for this forum, or at least on the appropriate thread...what's it called thai women, opinions or something like that?
IMHO
JuiceSpike
06-03-06, 14:58
OTH,
Human nature is not to plan ahead, even for people who are educated. Look at all the financial services in the US making $ teaching people how to plan ahead their finances. I think most Thai just don't give a fuck about the future. But you can actually see this also happen even in developed cultures such as the US. For example: we are in a big mess in Iraq because the "future" of the "mission" was not planned correctly. Also, Katrina is one of the biggest fuck-ups when it comes to planning ahead. The big difference is that we can throw billions at it and hope it gets fixed.
I think you are missing the point. You seem to be sitting high on your expertise yet you seem to have a mediocre understanding/analysis of the Thai culture. Real experts make comparisons without prejudice and arrive to a conclusion that shows objectivity not just pompous assumptions. I don't think you qualify as an expert. I can do a Goggle search on the Isaan culture and probably know just as much as you think you know... :D
Since you are not fucking hookers and don't support the "lifestyle," we seem to support in this forum, what is your thing then? Since you have move "beyond" the monger scene I don't see why you would be posting in here. And calling Isaan girls stupid because they lack education does not show a sophisticated analysis or understanding of the country and culture.
juices
How about hearing the opinion of a Thai woman who is more worldly than your average BG?
Giotto, I know you have discussed this whole thing with Mrs Giotto.
What is her take on all this ?
PS. Even though I have heard this story a million times, I generally just read, shrug my shoulders, and move on. But since I know this girl, and can still see her cute smile and her cute way about her, I am more interested, and more worried.
Asian Rain
06-03-06, 16:37
No flame...just the facts.
Most here talk about this because we have extensive experience in this topic. ... When we say she could likely become pregnant, we say this because the large number of single Thai women who have babies with Farang and are abandoned by them is substantial enough to warrant our concern in this particular scenario.
"Substantial enough?" I think my anecdotal evidence will stand up against your factoids any day... Please quote any academic study that indicates that Farang men abandon their Thai single mothers at any statistically greater rate than do Thai men. It's just your opinion - not a fact.
Giotto's latest post regarding the Duck's change of heart with her Japanese customer, her flaunting her new clothes, expensive dinner that she didn't have to pay for...is the easy money that seduces these simple country girls into thinking there is no tomorrow, there is no end to the gravy train and they needn't worry. ...
It is not prejudice. It is simple reality. These girls are stupid, uneducated and can't see beyond what they know at that particular moment in time. It is ingrained in the culture and tied very strongly to Buddhism. "Nobody knows the future, so why think about it" is a very Thai way of thinking.
Once again, the professor is flunking Sociology 101. This Duck character and her Japanese suitor display nothing unique to Thai culture or Buddhism. I have witnessed this type of scene in a number of other SE Asia countries like Philippines and Indonesia, none of which practice Buddhism to any significant degree. There is no science in your conclusions about Isaan people, just simple prejudice against a group of people you consider inferior. A bloc of people are not to be condemned by their colloquialisms. Enough said.
Giotto... if you want your employees to become fodder for this and similar types of discussions, just keep posting their pics and personal situations. If there is so much concern and love for their welfare, don't they (as well as their guests!) have the right to a little privacy? Isn't it a reasonable expecation for your guests to be able to make "mistakes" without fear of being featured - even in cameo - in the Giotto's Lodge ISG blog? Believe me, there are a large number of potential guests who value privacy and discretion. AR+
Wow,
I see I have a lot of work to do in the coming hours. But - to avoid further misunderstandings let's just start with an important clarification.
As far as Pimp Giotto goes, I'm not sure he should be the one to save The Duck. It looks like the Japanese guy just wants to buy her out and I'm sure Giotto will find a replacement. I find it a little weird that the Pimp gossips a bit too much about the people staying there. It looks like the Japanese guy has no clue this forum exists. :D juicesJuiceSpike,
The Japanese guy is NOT the groom. PLease re-read the initiating "Letter to the Groom" post.
Giotto
Giotto... if you want your employees to become fodder for this and similar types of discussions, just keep posting their pics and personal situations. If there is so much concern and love for their welfare, don't they (as well as their guests!) have the right to a little privacy? Isn't it a reasonable expecation for your guests to be able to make "mistakes" without fear of being featured - even in cameo - in the Giotto's Lodge ISG blog? Believe me, there are a large number of potential guests who value privacy and discretion. AR+Asian Rain,
Point taken, I was expecting this argument much earlier already. I generally agree, as stated in the discretion discussion a few weeks ago.
Fodder: The Duck's story is discussed in Livingstone's in the moment, that was initiated by herself. A giant wedding is planned. Guests and employees are talking about the issue. Obviously she decided about her "little privacy" by herself.
As described in the discretion post parts of the story are fiction - no guest of Livingstone's will find himself as a part of this story.
Pictures: As I know I did not post pictures of employees with faces, and anyway pictures of employees only rarely - and I even asked our guests not to post any nude pictures of our girls. But - I have only limited influence on this - it is up to our guests, too.
And yes, it is a reasonable expectation for guests of Livingstone's to be able to make "mistakes" without fear of being featured in the Giotto's lodge thread - and I think there were some here already which enjoyed their mistakes without reading anything about them in this thread.
Giotto
Tamurlane26
06-03-06, 18:40
The problem with being offline for 48 hours is you miss all these nice goings on - perhaps we should request Jackson to institute some "google alerts" so that when the news is hot we are informed immediately.
Suffice to say that I shall mourn the passing of the Duck as she turns like the ugly Duckling into the White Swan and sails serenely into the sunset. At which point I shall have to console myself with another and make a more valid point that this dear Groom has bought me my freedom !! Syabas Kind Sir
With this event this butterfly can fly once more into the Sports Bar unencumbered by his faux pas and all without the risk of a messy divorce ala Piper.
All that now remains is for Master G to give me the green light that the wedding has taken place or is about to be consumed and the first flight from the south shall bring in another recalcitrant to his spiritual home.
On a more serious note it is interesting reading through the thread on this impending event - reading through there is one point perhaps made in this thread that is unlike others - those that participate actively are willing to take their activities with a pinch of salt - hence the humour in the recent tales of the Pool Party - as well as take a helicopter view of the whole situation.
That there has been a debate on the issue is not so much one of privacy as I dont think that the privacy of the individuals in question has been breached. What has happened is that we have partaken in a wider debate on the whole issue of "what happens next" - this perhaps something that we dont all think about. The more seasoned take the open line and make sure that the ground rules are set before the engagement but as mentioned humanity is a funny old thing and those dear feelings can get all messed up. T
That Giotto should take an interest or rather show concern for the Duck is nothing less than I would have expected from him. What is more as many know her from this forum perhaps we should also share in the debate on a human level rather than thinking with the appendage that so often brings us to Bangkok.
It is perhaps issues like this that take us into another realm in our pastimes and certainly I have enjoyed the input from all on the matter - whether it be serious, or humourus there is a genuine concern in all of the comments - or should it be ' there but for the grace of god go i".
Have a happy and eventful weekend to all
OTH
You are so full of it that it begs the question, are you an anthroplogist? You teach art history to "stupid" students and then you declare yourself an expert on Isaan women. Have you no pride in your profession that you stay in Thailand and teach stupid students? (your own words). You have a preference for the white skinned Thais. And why are you so afraid of the dark skinned Thais. I wonder what you have said if the Duck was from Chiang Mai and of a Chinese heritage.
People are not stupid if they have no education or belong to a certain class of society. They may not be able to articulate as well as the educated class but they are certainly not stupid.
You speak that you do not engage with hookers, then what are you doing in this forum. And nice girls in Thailand or anywhere in the world, don't just let themselves be photographed nude. Yet you do seem to have an extensive collection of non p4p girls in the nude.
And lastly, when did you become a marriage expert of people you have never met.
Giotto
I understand your concerns but you do need to step back after you have given your fatherly/brotherly advice to the Duck. If she is old enough to fuck, then she is old enough to do what she pleases. You can't condemn one relationship based on the law of averages. Although the consensus is in favor of it going bust, you and I and the rest of us do not know if it is going to succeed or not.
How much do you really know her. For all the wrong reasons she might make it a success. It all depends on how hungry she is to improve her life. She may well be planning to get lawful residence in the foreign country, dump her husband and make it out on her own. Now that would be smart, not stupid.
JS
I agree with everything you said except the 3Fs. In the TGs POV, it is find, fuck and not forget. Just squeeze the last drop out of the stupid farang who will let them. It is after all a business, and they make the rules. It is a sellers market, after all.
Just my 2 cents worth.
JuiceSpike
06-03-06, 19:47
Duni,
Well said about the TG's POV... you are absolutely right when you say it is a business. Always has and it always will be for me. I try to make it a buyer's maket. :p
Giotto,
So who is fucking marrying The Duck? If it's not one of your customers how do you know so much about this person? Anyway, I think you have a great thing going there to fill up the rooms but I think based on this thread customer's privacy could be compromised not necessarily intentionally but by oversight or whatever other reason... Maybe you are running the place more like a fraternity than a hotel/lodge.
juices
And the other interesting point to your post, Duni, is the Duck is fair skinned, not white like the Chinese Thai, but for an Isaan girl, she is definitaly on the light side.
Neyzen Tevfik,
First of all I want to thank you for your post. I was impressed when I read it, because it shows a lot of courage to write this in this forum, it shows character and a lot of heart for the girls we all love/like so much, too.
There were many replies to this report, so I will only comment on the part which you (more or less) directly addressed me:
Even if what all you are foreseeing here had more than a reasonable probability to happen (say, more than %50); does any one of you have the right (Mr. Giotto, my words are to you) to change her life? Yes, as a friend, or boss, or as a brother (whatever you may call it), you may sit down and talk to her and tell her what you feel about her leaving and how you THINK about the future of this marriage.
No, I do not have the right to change their lifes. But I feel it to be my duty to talk to BOTH about the risks I see because of the life experience I have. And when I did that I wanted them to have an honest look into their own purposes and targets reg. this "sudden wedding".
That is what I did, and that is why I wrote the "Letter To A Groom".
And as I wrote in the last chapter of my letter: There is nothing more that I can do.
Giotto
It was asked whether Mrs. Giotto could talk to The Duck to discuss the issue.
Of course Mrs. Giotto did that, and she did it as a Thai woman, within the Thai tradition, and that means, that nobody gets ever too close to other peoples private life.
For that this was more or less an exchange of information and not any deeper discussion about risks and chances.
Furthermore it is Mrs. Giottos deepest wish to get married, too, so she doesn't have such a strong motivation to prevent others from getting married :).
Giotto
To all those who believe that I use the story of The Duck to increase the number of customers in Livingstone's - no, this is not my intention. I reached already the lowest point of my life being a pimp now, so I don't need to go deeper down. But I thought that the story might be of interest for rookies coming to Bangkok, which were in the past motivated to read the "Samus Aran in Thailand" thread with its 3F philosophy (also mentioned here today somewhere).
Yes, I use this thread as a marketing and promotion tool for Livingstone's Lodge. I never made a secret out of this intention. But that does not necessarily make me loose all my character.
For those who think that I breached the rules of discretion intentionally or unintentionally - your opinion is respected, but I disagree.
Giotto
JuiceSpike
06-03-06, 21:22
Pimp Giotto,
Yeah, it's Hard Out Here For A Pimp... hey, and "an honest statement" coming out of Thailand is very cute... :D
juices
Traveler1234
06-04-06, 00:58
I realize this is Giotto's thread and it was he was started the discussion with his open letter. I suggested earlier to move this to above thread. Jackson - do you agree?
IMHO
Furthermore it is Mrs. Giottos deepest wish to get married.
Giotto
I know, she begged me and begged me, but I broke her heart, when it finally sunk in, that I am taken.
So sad. ;)
And the fighting, so often associated with the LOs forum, finally starts in this thread.
What took so long ?
Thought I’d try to inject some humor on this topic. I’ve heard so much about the Duck, that I just had to meet her. First step was to sneak by all of the serious contenders. It must be good to have so many potential suitors just begging for your attention.
Unfortunately, Pool Guy struck out and was NOT able to find the Duck. As a consolation prize, the good Dr. G prescribed a Korean massage that was walking distance from the Lodge. I gotta tell you fellas, you absolutely have to get on of these while you are here. It was a total sensory experience with an unusual happy ending. It was so intense, I almost asked her to stop.
After the massage I was totally relaxed, and had a few coffees to keep me from falling asleep. Lucky for me I had a beautiful Livingstone TG to keep me awake ;)
See below for my progress on the hunt (another picture warning, no nudes or faces, so pass if you want these). Stay tuned for progress reports.
Pool Guy
Old Thai Hand
06-04-06, 03:50
I stand corrected, gentleman. =o)
Someone recently said to me that none of us are what we seem on this board. This is probably true of most people who post on Internet blogs of some sort or other.
I am a provocateur, nothing more. I don't usually subscribe to the extreme views that I expound. I like to "wind people up" as the English would say. Probably, it isn't a good thing to do and marks me as nothing more than one of those serial antagonists and I should be summarily banished from the board forever. However, what I write often engenders a lively debate and some very interesting ideas. I enjoy a lot of what has come out of this discussion even if a good deal of it has been aimed at attacking me and what I have said.
BTW, I no more think that Isaan girls are stupid, than anyone else. If I did, I would think my GF is stupid which she isn't. Yes, I have an Isaan GF, not a HiSo BKK Thai GF, as so many would expect, from reading my posts.
Image and reality don't always match.
Before anyone asks me if I am now retracting everything I have said in the face of so much negatively and have adopted a completely revised opinion, I'll say maybe yes, maybe no....because in the end, who cares what I think?
I am as guilty (maybe more so) of yammering on with a load of nonsense. I much prefer the more light-hearted nature of this board, especially this thread.
So, appologies for my part go to Giotto for high-jacking his thread with all of this blather.
LET'S GET BACK TO FUNNY STUFF.
Old Thai Hand
06-04-06, 04:16
OTH,
Not accusing you of anything, I am quite certain that you know a lot about LOS, Thai language and the Thai school system, but I wonder why your posts and some facts are contradicting.
re: camera contradictions
I actually own a Fuji Finepix, which I have only used once to take pics of a girl. I use lots of different cameras because I borrow them from school and they have quite a mixture of makes and models as they have added, upgraded and replaced them over the years. I guess I made a mistake in recalling the camera I used to shoot Da. They were taken quite awhile ago, early last Fall.
re: post contradictions
Yes. my posts are full of them. see, my previous post.
When I post information that I mean for the benefit of readers, I try to be accurate based on my experience. But, when I post opinions, I am often merely "blowing smoke", and therefore often contradict myself.
re: living with poor Isaan families
been there, done that. I had a dirt-poor GF from Roi-et for 4 years. Her family house was so decrepid, she wouldn't even stay there anymore. BTW, she remains the best GF I ever had, both in terms of charm, temperment, romance and intelligence (that "native wisdom" that Juicespike implied). She still remains one of the smartest people I have ever met and she only has a highschool education.
re: contradictions in what I teach
I have a very diverse portfolio and have taught close to 40 different courses spanning Art and Design, History, Culture, Anthropology, Media, Business and, Law.
For example, last year I spent the whole year teaching Cross-cultural Studies, comparing Thai culture to American culture at one college. At the same time, I taught Media Writing and Journalism, Art History and Public Speaking at another uni. I am about to start teaching Architecture and Design next semester. I have had a very eclectic life and career and my teaching reflects this.
JUST REMEMBER. NO-ONE IS WHAT THEY SEEM, ESPECIALLY ON THE INTERNET.
re: Giotto contradictions (lol...with appologies for "outing" you here)
For example: Giotto isn't actually the owner of Livingstone's. He's just a guy who hangs around there, greeting the customers. He was a customer once, himself, but ran out of money and the real owner took pity on him and let him sit around in his shorts and act like the boss because he has such an engaging personality. Unfortunately, it has all gone to his head and he now thinks he actually owns the place. And...oh, ya...he's a flaming lady-boy. Who do you think arranges those Katoey shows every month? But, he dare not take part in them himself, for fear of being "exposed" as it were (PLEASE SEE PIC BELOW). The so-called Mrs. Giotto is actually the real boss of the place, but plays along with this man's sad delusions. Have pity on him.
anyway, as Terry Terrier said to me once, ISG is an obscure little board. So, why get so bent out of shape over things?
I couldn't agree with him more. Although, funny enough, I see him getting all worked up about Giotto on another thread. he should take his own advice.
As the Thais would say, "Don't serious!"
Sheesh! I spend the last eight hours making a young Ukranian blonde happy (okay, so only one hour was actually in bed :() - I log on for a bit of relaxation after my hard work, and I see all this! I sense a bit of post-party depression. The cure: More parties!
I hope Miss Duck will be okay one way or the other. Life isn't always a big party, but most of us get by, and there are many people much worse off.
___________________________
Pool Guy, my answer to your "Identify the girl" challenge: It's little Fon on the left and Miss Duck on the right. Am I right?
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45063
___________________________
Traveler - you didn't have time for a few silly jacuzzi jokes, but you have lots of time to research and dig up old quotes by other members to try show them up? Good for you.
(someone tell me how to do a "roll eyes back" smiley)
Okay Pool Guy, my answer to your "Identify the girl" challenge: That's little Fon on the left and Miss Duck on the right. Am I right?
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45063
piper, I lost 100b to you last week on a bet about a song, so double or nothing?
the girl on the right is NOT THE DUCK.
piper, I lost 100b to you last week on a bet about a song, so double or nothing?
the girl on the right is NOT THE DUCK.Well you would know, so I concede. But the girl in black is definitely Fon, so lets call it evens.
And by the way - how can you think that "Ballroom Blitz" by The Sweet, was a song by T-Rex? I'm still 100 Baht up on you. ;)
Straight Shooter
06-04-06, 05:11
as a fairly new poster here on the isg even though i have been a guest for the last couple of years i find myself reading the various forums as a way to relax and also gain knowledge of peoples thoughts, opinions, and learn about there experiences, as well as a learning tool of what life and lifestyle is like in other parts of the world, and for the most part i find the isg to be very informative.
with that being said i feel compelled to comment on this discussion involving old thai hand as i find someone who portrays himself as an upper class, sophisticated person to be quite the opposite. i feel based on his own posts on this particular thread he has lost any credibility he might have had in his 350+ posts. his response that “no-one is what they seem, especially on the internet” really reflects who this person is and what he represents, and imho the readers on this forum will now reflect on his posts with this in mind.” it has always been imho that sooner or later the truth always gets out and i believe that is what has happened here with old thai hand. i am sure he might be a great guy in life, but my feeling always has been if someone has to resort to manipulating the truth or being deceitful in any way, shape or form, they have serious personal issues within themselves and this might be the case here, as he tries to portray himself as this knowledgeable, informative, upper class person when he really is not. a wannabe sort who now wants to back track the opinions and statements he has shared in hopes the controversy he has created will go away, so he can carry on being the person he wants us to believe here across the cyber waves. the traveler pointed out some very interesting things in his post regarding old thai hand and it will be interesting to see his response. thank you for providing me the opportunity to share my opinion but one of my biggest pet peeves in life is fake people and that is why my id on here is the straight shooter.
Old Thai Hand
06-04-06, 06:44
G
I think for the next pool party on June 24 (notice I mentioned the date for promotion purposes), it might finally be time to show the goods. I'll be there to chear you on and provide moral support, as I'm sure others will.
I know you like dark meat. But, I was surprised at this....You said Germany was rainy and dreary and nobody smiled. I can see why.
First thanks to all of you who wrote here in the past few days regarding The Ducks Wedding issue. It obviously motivated many readers to post a report here, and though the discussion went various ways I found it to be civilized all the time. I also don’t see any reason to move it to another thread.
This story was obviously touching the readers much more than all other stories which were written here before. I find it sometimes frustrating to write something about Livingstone’s, and get one or two replies. Even if I write about “My Bangkok”, about something which is really the main purpose of all the board, replies are coming in rarely. But whenever the old Thai-Farang love story is part of a report a discussion starts, and reports are flooding into the thread. I remember the first bigger discussion about that guy who met a Thai “regular” in Spasso. The reason for this might be, that all of us experienced that story already in different personal ways, so this theme somehow touches our hearts.
I think the mistake we all make in this discussions is to generalize human behavior too much. Of course we have experiences about Thai-Farang relationships, especially between Farang and BGs, the chances to get divorced, the chances for a Farang to be ripped off. Of course we know about the Isaan girl, her school education, the stories she tells (water buffolos) etc. etc. . Of course we read the stories in Stickman, Bangkok Post and Pattaya Newsletter.
But we should not forget, that each love story is an individual one, and theoretically each single relationship CAN WORK, if both participants are willing to make it work, if they invest time and effort in creating a partnership for all life.
In this story I am most likely the one who can assess the characters or both principal performers best, most of you guys don’t even know The Duck, and those who know her talked to her not longer than a few hours. And nobody except me knows the groom.
For that I want to make clear why I am so concerned about this wedding. For The Duck it is basically the intention that somebody takes care of her and her family, and it is not up to us Westerners with a normal or over average monthly income to judge about that. But – there is no love in her heart! There is respect for the groom, for sure, as well as gratitude for what he did for her up to now – but no love. As for the groom it is the chance to stay together with a young woman he could never find in Europe or the states. To be younger again due to living with a young woman – that is part of his dreams, too.
Now I don’t have any personal problems with relationships like that anyway, I am myself living with my girlfriend since 7 years now, and she is also much younger than I am. But we love each other, and I simply doubt that a long term relationship can work without love.
Now everybody will argue how I can be sure that there is no love between both of them. And I can reply that due to what I know there is most likely no love between them right now. There are clear indications for that: a Thai woman in love would not so easily stay with another man, and a man in love would not allow the woman he loves to work in a bar. But of course I have much more detailed information about events which supports my basic understanding of this relationship without love, which I don’t want to publish here, because it is too personal.
On the other hand - what I don’t want to forget is, that there is always the chance that they will learn to love each other, that the big bang will happen one day in the future. Nobody can rule that out. Furthermore I also cannot rule out that respect and gratitude both feel for each other already now can build a strong bridge between both, may be strong enough to stay together.
If I then look at all the odds, rainy and cold Europe, a Thai woman staying alone without her Thai environment she is used to, friends, family, the language barrier, the cultural differences etc. etc. I can imagine that it will not be easy for both of them. And this has nothing to do with Thai BGs or regulars, that odds would hit all Thai women from all classes of the society.
When I wrote this “Letter to A Groom” the intention was to make them think about alternatives to a “sudden wedding”. Why not stay together for some months or may be at least a year and try it out? Can the The Duck live in Europe? Is she OK with rain and cold weather? Can she stand all the discriminations of the European society when she goes out with her Farang boyfriend / husband? Can the groom stand the views and verbal attacks of his family / friends? Will it really work? Will it work with the age difference?
I don’t expect the groom to be the big looser in this game, if the marriage breaks one day. But I know what The Duck is going to loose: a lot of time, the best months / years of her life, her face, social acceptance in the Thai society – and she might come back with a baby!
Pregnancy – why talking about the likelihood of that. Easy: Thai women know about contraceptives but it is normal for them not to use any of those contraceptives with their boyfriends or husbands. No condoms anyway, and the Anti Baby Pill is not much appreciated by Thai women. Condoms: especially BGs make the difference there – if you are the boyfriend it is bareback, customers have to use a condom! Again a generalization, but in my POV it fits into the reality! The Anti Baby Pill – unlikely that The Duck will take it in Europe. But – of course – possible, especially if the groom insists.
Conclusion: A young Thai woman making love to her boyfriend / husband without taking contraceptives - pregnancy within months is very likely.
Coming to the end – I did what I had to do. I talked and made them think. And may be I was successful. The Duck quits working in the bar in two days from now. The groom postponed his return to Thailand due to some business issues, and he wants her to apply for a visa to come to Europe. I offered to help with the visa and guarantee, because he is not here in Thailand in the moment, and it will not be that easy for him to do that from Europe. I am quite sure that they will not get married in Europe, so I think they will have some time now to make decisions for their lifes.
That’s seams for me to be the end of the story – for now.
Giotto
I had the opportunity to spend a Saturday evening at Giotto's and can tell you it was very enjoyable. I met the very hospitable Giotto and the very gracious and lovely Mrs G. the ex Mrs Piper 1, Fon, who has a very fine body (though I think she is still sulking) and the Duck who was waiting for her man.
Giotto was kind enough to show me around and so I saw the bed that can take 4! 1balls chandelier and all the other attractions of the Lodge.
Hospitality and service was very good and after my Mia Noi arrived dinner by the pool was a delight.
I can fully recommend it as a place for us like minded travelers to stay or even just visit for a drink to be entertained by the very capable Sports Bar ladies and see if you can resist their charms!
Giotto as I told you last night I really take my hat off to you. Congratulations.
...
JUST REMEMBER. NO-ONE IS WHAT THEY SEEM, ESPECIALLY ON THE INTERNET.
re: Giotto contradictions (lol...with appologies for "outing" you here)
For example: Giotto isn't actually the owner of Livingstone's. He's just a guy who hangs around there, greeting the customers. He was a customer once, himself, but ran out of money and the real owner took pity on him and let him sit around in his shorts and act like the boss because he has such an engaging personality. Unfortunately, it has all gone to his head and he now thinks he actually owns the place. And...oh, ya...he's a flaming lady-boy. Who do you think arranges those Katoey shows every month? But, he dare not take part in them himself, for fear of being "exposed" as it were (PLEASE SEE PIC BELOW). The so-called Mrs. Giotto is actually the real boss of the place, but plays along with this man's sad delusions. Have pity on him.
anyway, as Terry Terrier said to me once, ISG is an obscure little board. So, why get so bent out of shape over things?
I couldn't agree with him more. Although, funny enough, I see him getting all worked up about Giotto on another thread. he should take his own advice.
As the Thais would say, "Don't serious!"Old Thai Hand,
Let me first tell you that it is a breach of our discretion rules that you post the truth about me. I had never expected that from you, but now I know how you really are.
Now, that the truth is on the table, my marketing concept is definitely dead. I will retire from the board and drink me to death in the Sports Lounge. That will cost the owner a fortune.
BTW: That one you showed as Mrs. Giotto is not really my girlfriend. He is my boyfriend.
Giotto
PS: Grrrrrr....that costs you a bottle of Chateau Petrus!
Sheesh! I spend the last eight hours making a young Ukranian blonde happy (okay, so only one hour was actually in bed :() - I log on for a bit of relaxation after my hard work, and I see all this! I sense a bit of post-party depression. The cure: More parties!Piper1,
yes, a few hours ago there was a party in this thread - and now??? Post-Party depression.
Bestards!!!
Giotto
Tamurlane26
06-04-06, 17:01
Is this true or a mirage in the jungle - oops sorry mirages are more for the Desert Bretheren in Dubai !!
If this is the case and the Duck is hanging up her number - who will take her place and will their be an Irish Wake for her as tradition dictates.
If there is to be a wake then let us hope the invitations are sent out rapidement so that we can either;-
a. Attend to feel sad at her passing
b. Appear the day after the wake and resume business as normal with one less to worry about - free from the title of Butterfly
I for one feel glad that I shall be able to walk in the front door and not slide in around the rear entrance for all that it may entail.
On a serious note however it is good to see that common sense has prevailed and look forward to the changing of the guard.
Will you be retiring her outfits and hanging them on the wall - such a quaint custom that these Americans have of retiring numbers of the greats !!
Will you be retiring her outfits and hanging them on the wall - such a quaint custom that these Americans have of retiring numbers of the greats !!
splendid idea Giotto. That cute bikini she was wearing the night of the pool party.... You should frame it, along with the sarong, and hang it on one of the walls of the sports lounge.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=44453
Tamurlane26
06-04-06, 17:45
Shall look forward to this outfit adorning the walls in the Sports Bar and wiping a tear from my eye as I am consoled by another.
Enough of this tomfoolery there are some serious matters at hand and they involve the World Cup - there has been mention of a new plasma screen in the jacuzzi in 115 but me thinks that this is far too hi tech and not bold enough so may i make a modest suggestion to liven up the events of the next month.
Will the girls be sporting new colours depending on the game on view ?
Or will the girls wear the colours of the person bar fining them in order to simplify matters - on that basis you can then run a book as to who should win the alternative world cup.
World Cup Giotto style
No Points - she disappears with a non World Cup Nation
Draw - two competing barfines resulting in a penalty shoot out !! Two points are awarded in this instance and if she is shared then both sides can have a point - mind you if Piper is in town we may not have a competition all points would be awarded in one night for multiple attendance in his room !!
Win - 1 point will be awarded
All results to be posted on a nightly basis on the Forum in order to allow us to monitor progress.
Entries on a postcard please and nominations for the girl of your choice to sport your colours !!
We ask ourselves will Angola score any points in this competition or in the real one for that matter - and is the rumour that Wayne Rooneys foot was damaged escaping out the back of Livingstones true or not and will Sven be paying a visit after the first round (please dont bring Nancy !!) ? And will the Duck be sporting the colours of Japan - not !!
Last but not least is it true that in fact Giotto is Jurgen Klinssman in disguise and this explains all those trips to Germany - they are not business trips at all he has been coaching on the side.
Terry Terrier
06-05-06, 00:24
How much syncronicity is going on here? I avoided this thread once I had obtained all the necessary factual info from it. The promo-based chatroom-style posting, to be frank, made me cringe. Eventually, Giotto's smug, opinionated posts in the greater Thai threads antagonised my darker nature and I made a post against him in the 'Thai women' thread. This got my curiosity up enough to take a look at the 'Lodge' thread once again. So many regs with the same uneasy feelings. Sheesh! We are, all of us, being played. Giotto: Yours is the greatest internet punting business strategy since 'Merv' made Sandys Superstars the UK's no#1 sexparlour through spamming the UK message boards. Congrats.
Terry, as one of the more recent "regs" here, I'm happy to be "played", and I don't feel "uneasy" about it. Giotto is open about the fact that the purpose of his thread is largely to promote his lodge, but also to provide a forum for a bit of a laugh and discussion. I don't see a problem with that. Your opinion is yours. Others have different opinions. Ce la vie.
Old Thai Hand
06-05-06, 01:37
as a fairly new poster here on the isg even though i have been a guest for the last couple of years i find myself reading the various forums as a way to relax and also gain knowledge of peoples thoughts, opinions, and learn about there experiences, as well as a learning tool of what life and lifestyle is like in other parts of the world, and for the most part i find the isg to be very informative.
with that being said i feel compelled to comment on this discussion involving old thai hand as i find someone who portrays himself as an upper class, sophisticated person to be quite the opposite. i feel based on his own posts on this particular thread he has lost any credibility he might have had in his 350+ posts. his response that “no-one is what they seem, especially on the internet” really reflects who this person is and what he represents, and imho the readers on this forum will now reflect on his posts with this in mind.” it has always been imho that sooner or later the truth always gets out and i believe that is what has happened here with old thai hand. i am sure he might be a great guy in life, but my feeling always has been if someone has to resort to manipulating the truth or being deceitful in any way, shape or form, they have serious personal issues within themselves and this might be the case here, as he tries to portray himself as this knowledgeable, informative, upper class person when he really is not. a wannabe sort who now wants to back track the opinions and statements he has shared in hopes the controversy he has created will go away, so he can carry on being the person he wants us to believe here across the cyber waves. the traveler pointed out some very interesting things in his post regarding old thai hand and it will be interesting to see his response. thank you for providing me the opportunity to share my opinion but one of my biggest pet peeves in life is fake people and that is why my id on here is the straight shooter.
ss
firstly, i appreciate your comments and pov. they are well-written and valid, particularly since you've read every one of my 350+ posts since the beginning. this careful reading of all my posts has given you licence to declare me as not credible. you are absolutely right. credibility requires support and empirical evidence. i've never provided any.
however, i have never said i wasn't what i claimed to be, if you are implying that i have made up the whole upper class university teacher persona. i haven't. all of that is absolutely true. i am what i say i am....really...believe me. there are a very few on isg who know what i am and the extent of my "position" in this country. but, then again, i haven't provided any solid evidence that i am as i claim. for all anyone knows, i could be a poor esl wannabe only dreaming of the big time in thai academia. in the end, who cares?
what is also true is that my extreme pov is at least partially a provocation, perhaps unwise and perhaps causing me to lose "credibility" as you suggest. but, really, i could give a shit. what is this board? it isn't the new york times or the harvard review. it's an obscure little board where a lot of guys, including myself can expound whatever bullshit ideas they feel like. it's of absolutely no importance. it fullfills the need that every human has to basically hear the sound of their own voice, so to speak. i've never backed off from a fight, and have encountered huge amounts of criticism here before, as have others, to which i have responded. it is the nature of this board for everyone to get in their 2 cents worth, or in this case their 2 baht worth, regardless of how significant or insignificant, how meaningful or meaningless, or how credible or incredible.
however, in my case, i am rather tired of the discussions on this board, when they turn personal and nasty. in fairness, i've probably contributed to this in no small measure. but, now i want to back off because i don't care, don't have the time and quite frankly, just want to have a laugh, or two.
with regards to the traveler: i've answered him, somewhat seriously, but mostly in a somewhat bemused fashion. although, i have for the most part respected a lot of the traveler's posts and he and i have had a more, or less sympatico relationship on this board, each supporting the other, in most cases, i do find it odd that someone would go to so much trouble, as he apparently does to find out the camera someone has used to take a pic with the idea of exposing a fraud. he's done this a few times with other posters and now he's after me. however, it beg's the question, "do you not have something better to do with your time?"
in any event, if i've lost credibility on this board, i'll somehow get over the loss and move on with my life....
at least giotto is still my friend. =-)
p.s. btw, straight shooter, given your eloquence and obvious interest in this board, and especially in deconstructing me and all my 350+ posts, i wait, with baited breath for your sixth post.
Old Thai Hand
06-05-06, 01:42
How much syncronicity is going on here? I avoided this thread once I had obtained all the necessary factual info from it. The promo-based chatroom-style posting, to be frank, made me cringe. Eventually, Giotto's smug, opinionated posts in the greater Thai threads antagonised my darker nature and I made a post against him in the 'Thai women' thread. This got my curiosity up enough to take a look at the 'Lodge' thread once again. So many regs with the same uneasy feelings. Sheesh! We are, all of us, being played. Giotto: Yours is the greatest internet punting business strategy since 'Merv' made Sandys Superstars the UK's no#1 sexparlour through spamming the UK message boards. Congrats.
As I have already cited you in my last post to The Traveler, I will now remind you directly.
You yourself not that long ago reminded me of the true nature of this board, it's "obscurity" and lack of real importance. In doing so, you strongly recommended that I calm down and chill out. You were absolutely right and I decided to approach things more with my "tongue firmly placed in my cheek".
So, I would suggest that perhaps you might take your own advice with regards to Herr Giotto and not be so strident and serious. Piper's post about Giotto says it all.
Terry Terrier, I must say your post surprises me, as does your post in the other thread.
You have not stayed at the lodge, but I think you should on your next visit, be it only for 1 night.
Staying at the lodge, if you have introduced yourself to G as an ISG member, is like staying at a friend's house for the week end, except of course, you have the run of the place, including the BGs in the bar. it is unlike any hotel I have ever stayed in, and I for one, will stay there again, over any other hotel I have stayed in BKK.
The bottom line is, it is fun to stay there. Everyone is charming, and treats you like a friend.
That Giotto milks this thread to get more business only makes sense. Others have done it in Argentina, and Colombia. I think it speaks for itself that after so many posts, in the LOS forum, the tone has remained mostly civilized, and friendly. I look forward to reading about the goings on, as I have stayed there twice, and enjoyed myself. This thread is funny, and informative, which is more than I can say for all the other LOS threads.
Tamurlane26
06-05-06, 02:52
It is wry amusement that I read about being "milked" or being "played" - yes I confess I have been "milked" in the Lodge and as for being "played" long may it continue.
My only regret is that there are no chocolates placed on the pillows at night however given that they would probably be used for nefarious means and therefore make a mess of the sheets I guess this is understandable.
The Lodge and the thread is to use a cliche - a bit like "Cheers" in that the hospitality improves with time as you get to know the place. In an age of impersonal hotels and poor service this is a welcome change. If you have not stayed there and wish to comment on the thread then please continue to not stay there. This will mean that there will always be rooms free for those who wish to amuse themselves in a discrete environment without having to slip the doorman or security money to take some SYT upstairs.
That people are willing to defend the Lodge against these unwarranted comments in a civilised manner should tell you what sort of environment this is.
At the end of the day the "chat-room" style is due to the familiarity of those posting with the people and the surroundings therefore they have a common connection. This makes the goings on amusing to those who have been there.
I for one will continue to enjoy the hospitality of the Lodge and look forward to my next visit. I hope to see you there.
The Lodge and the thread is to use a cliche - a bit like "Cheers"
Chalky, as usual, I bow to your eloquence. I had actually thought of the comparison a week or so ago, but it completely slipped my mind, when I posted below.
A perfect analogy, except instead of hearing "Nooooooooorm', as one enters the sports lounge, one hears a chorus of 'Sawasdeekaaaaaaaaaaaaa".
How much syncronicity is going on here? I avoided this thread once I had obtained all the necessary factual info from it. The promo-based chatroom-style posting, to be frank, made me cringe. Eventually, Giotto's smug, opinionated posts in the greater Thai threads antagonised my darker nature and I made a post against him in the 'Thai women' thread. This got my curiosity up enough to take a look at the 'Lodge' thread once again. So many regs with the same uneasy feelings. Sheesh! We are, all of us, being played. Giotto: Yours is the greatest internet punting business strategy since 'Merv' made Sandys Superstars the UK's no#1 sexparlour through spamming the UK message boards. Congrats.Terry Terrier,
You are invited to come here for a drink, or to stay in the hotel. May be it is then easier then to understand the concept of Livingstone's Lodge and the strategy to run this thread with a mixture of information and entertaining reports.
As for the "Stupid Thai" issue: I still don't understand what you really want from me, and as soon as I will understand I will possibly answer.
I furthermore would appreciate it you allowed me to post my reports wherever I decide to place them, especially if I reply to posts of others. That might even happen in threads outside of "Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok".
Thank you
Giotto
1.1 Livingstone's Lodge
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=448172
1.2 History, Philosophy and Rules
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=448352
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=458250
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=459450
1.3 Website
http://www.livingstones.co.th
1.4 Room Reservation
info@livingstones.co.th
reservation@livingstones.co.th
1.5 Contact
info@livingstones.co.th
1.6 Latest News / Events
2. Prices
2.1 Room Rates
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=448360
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=461517
2.2 Bar Fines
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=457210
2.3 Promotions
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=452857
3. Pictures
3.1 The Lodge / Rooms
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=453686
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=453699
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=457957
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=454657
3.2 The Sports Lounge
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=456752
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=459797
3.3 The Restaurants
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=453240
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=453272
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=455440
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=459543
3.4 The Pub
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=456521
3.5 Festivals/Events
1) Loy Kratong, November 2005
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=455839
2) Songkran 2006, 13. - 15.04.2006
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=454278
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=454279
3) Swimming Pool Party, 29.04.2006
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=459123
4) Maids Party, 13.05.2006
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=463942
5) Swimming Pool Party, 27.05.2006
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=469161
3.6 Others
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=457470
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=462877
4. Feedbacks
04-04-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=449952
04-11-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=452492
04-13-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=453257
04-13-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=453334
04-18-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=455059
04-24-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=457119
04-25-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=457634
04-28-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=458530
04-29-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=458721
04-30-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=459069
05-06-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=460985
05-06-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=461140
05-07-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=461569
05-08-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=461843
05-09-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=462077
05-16-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=464411
05-23-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=467301
05-24-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=467359
05-31-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=469732
06-01-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=470390
06-04-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471420
06-04-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471298
5. Guests Reports and Stories
1.) 1Ball: "More Aspirin please", 05-07-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=461492
2.) Chalky26: The "Mighty Duck", 05-18-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=465300
....Chalky26: “The Slaughter of the Innocents” or “Tintin in Soi 33”, 05-18-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=465301
3.) Piper1: “Wednesday night at Giotto’s”, 05-25-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=467685
…. Piper1: “Welcome to the Jungle”, 05-27-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=468411
…. Piper1: “Jungle Girl”, 05-27-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=468415
…. Piper1: “Pool, Office, Five Star, Foursome”, 05-28-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=468895
…. Piper1: “Final Night at Livingstones (until next time!)”, 05-29-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=469280
4.) Traveler1234: “Long Beach”, 05-30-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=469571
....Traveler1234: “Long Beach, second Visit”, 06-01-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=470174
5.) Pool Guy: "Pool Guy in da house", 06-02-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=470682
.... Pool Guy: "A day late and a dollar (ok, a baht) short", 06-03-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471219
.... Pool Guy: "A Day in the Life of the Ugly American: Pool Guy learns culture", 06-04-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471702
6. Giotto's Bangkok
1) Monet in Soi 33
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=459476
2) Five Star 1 in Soi Cowboy
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=468617
3) Sazanka Korean Massage
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=472087
7. Stories
1) Smilies/Smileys? Today/Tomorrow?
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=453083
2) After Songkran and Elections
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=456176
3) Newbies!!!
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=456524
4) Mick Jagger
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=458591
5) 3 men in a Boat
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=460221
6) Job Descriptions for Hostesses (1): Working Hours
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=460589
7) Livingstone's Gay Bar
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=463561
8) One day at Livingstone's
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=464596
9) The Truth about the Titans
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=469104
10) A Letter To A Groom
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=470629
The Management
Livingstone's Lodge Co., Ltd.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
Traveler1234
06-05-06, 07:41
How much syncronicity is going on here? I avoided this thread once I had obtained all the necessary factual info from it. The promo-based chatroom-style posting, to be frank, made me cringe. Eventually, Giotto's smug, opinionated posts in the greater Thai threads antagonised my darker nature and I made a post against him in the 'Thai women' thread. This got my curiosity up enough to take a look at the 'Lodge' thread once again. So many regs with the same uneasy feelings. Sheesh! We are, all of us, being played. Giotto: Yours is the greatest internet punting business strategy since 'Merv' made Sandys Superstars the UK's no#1 sexparlour through spamming the UK message boards. Congrats.
As I posted after 5 nights at G, this is like a bed and breakfast - you are treated like 'family'. POV. Try it and then critique whether it was a positive or negative experience.
And as posted, even if you're a regular to LOS, there's always something new to 'learn'.
As far as the other postings are concerned, no doubt it is a 'marketing' tool but done normally in good taste and with humor (albeit hard to take sometimes :D). I don't think G ever tried to hide that. The recent rambling by some of us was a result of the pool party the end of May and the fun time a few of us had together and individually at Mr. G's place. Had it not been for this thread, we probably would have still met up, drank together and then gone our separate ways. However, we all stayed at Mr. G's place, and in some cases shared a room and/or woman/women. All good fun.
...we all stayed at Mr. G's place, and in some cases shared a room and/or woman/women. All good fun.T1234 - you promised you wouldn't tell anyone about that night. ;)
I had the opportunity to spend a Saturday evening at Giotto's and can tell you it was very enjoyable. I met the very hospitable Giotto and the very gracious and lovely Mrs G. the ex Mrs Piper 1, Fon, who has a very fine body (though I think she is still sulking) and the Duck who was waiting for her man.
Giotto was kind enough to show me around and so I saw the bed that can take 4! 1balls chandelier and all the other attractions of the Lodge.
Hospitality and service was very good and after my Mia Noi arrived dinner by the pool was a delight.
I can fully recommend it as a place for us like minded travelers to stay or even just visit for a drink to be entertained by the very capable Sports Bar ladies and see if you can resist their charms!
Giotto as I told you last night I really take my hat off to you. Congratulations.Stargm,
Thank you, it was a pleasure talking to you that night.
I hope you will come back to join the "Club of the Bestards".
Giotto
piper, I lost 100b to you last week on a bet about a song, so double or nothing?
the girl on the right is NOT THE DUCK.
Piper/1Ball,
You are both correct, excellent observation skills gentlemen. Here is the next series in my hunt for the duck, care to guess again? I'll have a Singha waiting for whoever makes the right guess in the next couple of posts.
Pool Guy
Sunday started innocent enough, two beautiful Livingstone TGs (lucky me, I met them the night before in the Sports Lounge) invited me to MBK for a shopping trip. I had nothing better to do, so accepted; however, learned from the board, and anticipated being asked to pay for the shopping trip. Well, Pool Guy learned a little in school (ok, it was trade school, but close enough) and decided not to bring a credit card (can’t outsmart a guy with a trade school certificate).
Well, to make a short story long, another fallacy bites the dust. The girls never asked me to pay for their items, and even asked me what I wanted to do after shopping. Being the hip Pool Guy, I figured they wanted to see the latest X-Men movie. After the movie, they again asked what I wanted to do, I replied up to you.
This is where Pool Guy learned about culture; I took the girls to a cheesy movie, they took me to a temple built in 1801. I know temples and culture are not what we come to the Lodge for; however, I have to admit it was fun to learn the temple history and how the Wai is different when done for a monk (as opposed to a lowly Pool Guy).
The girls then invited me to dinner and karaoke. Our first stop was an open air restaurant with live music and table side service by your own cook. Food was great.
We decided to pass on karaoke, and instead went dancing at the Booze bar. It was a techno/edgy bar with a combination of western music mixed in with Thai hip-hop. We stayed until the club closed, and the girls asked if we could go to another place. This time we headed for Nana (and no, not what you are thinking), and went to the Boss bar. This also was techno/hip-hop with a DJ mixing the tunes. Pool Guy learned something new again; the Thai music scene is hot with a unique blend of western, asian and techno influences.
I finally dragged myself back to the Lodge at about 5:00am. I am exhausted; however, think I got a glimpse of a day in the life of our beautiful TGs, and am smarter for it today…well, ok, I admit it does not take much to make me smarter ;)
Pool Guy - all I can say is "Sweet memories..." :)
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45267
Tamurlane26
06-05-06, 15:29
Now enough of the POV and the marital status of Ducks there are more important issues at hand.
Namely Giotto - answer the questions
Does the sarong get retired and if so when is the ceremony
What is the pool for the World Cup
The forum awaits for the Oracle to reply
Mr. Vice President,
The "Club of the Bestards" has a potential new member: Pool Guy. Please prepare the official application forms for him.
I will set up the Bestard Test environment and report about the results later in this thread. For what I see he up to now is a real BESTARD, but lets wait for the official outcome.
Thanks
Giotto
PS: Forgot to explain what this BESTARD did to me today:
Sitting with me in the Sports Lounge. Turns on his very serious face and tells me that he has to talk to me. That girl he was with, so beautiful, such a perfact Thai woman, and he had decided to get married! He had opened a bank account for her already, and the dowry, how much would that be for such a girl, US $ 50,000.00 - US $ 100,000.00 enough ???
I was eating during that time, and had to fight all the time that the food did not go the wrong way. Fucking BESTARD. I really did not get it! I thought: Oh my god, the next one! What is wrong here in Livingstone's in the moment?
I seriously answered that dowry was way too high, and I would rip off his balls if he did not wait with this wedding until at least next year.
It turned out that this BESTARD had set me up. He was laughing his ass off! Nothing true of what he had told me!
Mr. Vice President, I think we can skip the test in this case, he has proven already that he is a bestard, hasn't he?
God, get me out of here!
POOL GUY, I declare you a member in good standing of the “club of the Bestards”.
As a matter of fact, since you have done so well in your “training” phase, you are hereby elevated to senior membership immediately.
Mr. Chairman, I am saddened you would be taken in by such foolishness. For your punishment, please read the complete “Domino in Thailand “thread.
Old Thai Hand
06-06-06, 01:51
Mr. G
You seem to be under attack in another thread, for no good reason that I can see.
It seems to be the nature of the Thai board, in particular that nobody can have a good time for too long without someone coming along and "raining on his parade".
Although, I'm not really one of the "click" (Club of Bestards), I still enjoy reading and participating in the antics of this thread, probably more so than any of the other threads with their mindless repetition of the same old stuff.
Ignore the whining of a few grumps. Keep having a laugh and a bit of fun.
POOL GUY, I declare you a member in good standing of the “club of the Bestards”.
As a matter of fact, since you have done so well in your “training” phase, you are hereby elevated to senior membership immediately.
Mr. Chairman, I am saddened you would be taken in by such foolishness. For your punishment, please read the complete “Domino in Thailand “thread.
Pool Guy humbly accepts the great honor and responsibility of membership bestowed by the fraternal order of Livingstone’s Lodge BESTARD Club.
Long live the BESTARDS! (or at least our bank accounts to cure sick water buffalo for our TGs) ;)
As a new member of the Fraternal Order of Livingstone’s Lodge BESTARDS, I offer this final opportunity to identify the elusive and soon to be migrating south Duck. Any and all are eligible; the prize of one Singha beer must be redeemed at the Lodge.
Mr. Chairman, I am saddened you would be taken in by such foolishness. For your punishment, please read the complete “Domino in Thailand “thread.Mr. Vice President,
I am willing to accept any punishment, but that sentence is way out of range. Could I please read all posts and view all pictures of the "Photo Gallery" thread instead?
Giotto
PG, since this is the final Duck hunt, I have to say the girl on the left in pic #3.
Cold Singha waiting for me?
JuiceSpike,
You have risen some questions in the Thai Women thread, and that deserves answers.
Hmmm, I never thought about Giotto's main interest and motivation for posting in here was to make money..Duh. I'm having a slow day... Of course it is. No, it is not. If I post in other threads I usually refer either to a report in that thread or to the main purpose of that specific thread.
One of the great things about this forum is that no one is trying to sell you something. That has changed. The fact that Giotto has his own thread for the purpose to sell entertainmen or something like that and making it appealing for mongers to visit his lodge it feels to me like I'm reading a long drawn out ad campaign. I know, I can always skip it. I do most of the time. What makes it different though is that his thread is really not a discussion section but more like a chat room with inside jokes, and where a little click is forming to promote others to be in it. The promotion of Livingstone's Lodge is for me an important purpose of this thread, of course. But I think we do that here together with many other posters now, in a way which is in line with the forum purpose, and we add a lot of useful information about places and ways to find women.
I never liked fraternities in college and it feels like that to me. Some of the content in there borders the gossip line with mundane topics, feel good stories which seem fake but who knows maybe they are true.I don't like fraternities either. But this comparison does not really match the group of posters adding reports to this thread. This are more friends of the house, who have been here, and who like the share their experiences with others, and being reminded of the time the had here. I doubt that this really hurts the forum. Furthermore there are no faked stories in the thread.
I have nothing against a guy trying to make a living but wondering if this is is the right place to do it. Does Jackson get more $ for the loadge thread? Who cares... The beauty of this forum is that is for guys to exchange ideas, discussions, and even fights but not for the purpose to sell me something.Jackson does not get any money for this thread. He allows this kind of advertisement for some similar places in South America as well as for Livingstone's Lodge. And even if you can book a room here or come to visit the Sports Lounge - there are lots of ideas exchanged in here, there were some good discussions and smaller fights ... as usual in other threads of this forum.
Giotto is good at making his pitch: if you don't go there you are missing out. I don't think so. For some guys the lodge might be the best thing it ever happen to them. On the public service side, maybe Giotto can start a "treatment" program for newbies about to lose their heads under the influence of sweet cunning skank. Or maybe donate some of the profits to a charity... :DLivingstone's Lodge is not the right place for everybody. It is not a 5 star hotel along the river, and it is not a back-packer hotel in Kaosarn Road. It has a specific target group, and those who do not fit into the target group will stay in other hotels. However, the discussions, reports and information posts of this thread can help all others to find interesting places in Bangkok, too.
Thanks
Giotto
Hey guys it seems that some of you are a bit jealous about Giotto's success.
I don't know him and also don't know the Livingston’s, but I was reading his comments on this thread, the 'Thai Women -Opinions & Advise' thread.
In this thread he was doing nothing else then to give his opinion to the purpose of this thread, talking about Western union and talking about marriage and I could not see from his comments here, that he was promoting his Livingston’s there.
That is ok in my opinion. I think some of you see too much in every single word a promotion as done in the Giotto’s lodge thread.
The Lodge thread however was clearly set up to promote the lodge with the support and in line with Jackson. (See his opening words). So any style there is ok. And if there is growing community of insiders who use it more in chat room style it’s the outcome of their adventures. I read it, even if I can’t understand all, but nobody needs to read it.
But if you attack him here in this thread for his promotion, which is in my opinion not justified given his comments here in this tread, the risk is that this thread turns around into another Giotto thread and this time you yourself caused it.
So I would appreciate, that if you want to criticize Giotto, use his own Giotto Tread for this and I would advise Giotto to comment on this criticism here only in his thread as well.
In this way we can keep the purpose of this thread:
'Thai Women -Opinions & Advise'
Thanks guys :p :p I would appreciate you cooperation. :p :p
regards
Brain666Brain666,
Thank you for your support. I will follow your advice. But I think there is anyway not so much which can be added to this discussion any more.
What posters might misunderstand is that "Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok" is MY THREAD. It is not. All the forum is Jackson's, and he defines the rules. He can stop this thread any time he wants.
Giotto
As a new member of the Fraternal Order of Livingstone’s Lodge BESTARDS, I offer this final opportunity to identify the elusive and soon to be migrating south Duck. Any and all are eligible; the prize of one Singha beer must be redeemed at the Lodge.Pool Guy,
I found her. She is on *&%$ *&*^$$ &&%%$% .
Correct?
Giotto
Sitting ducks. ;)
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45314
Anyway, it's "clique", not "click", you bustards.
My preferred “non-catholic” massage place in Bangkok is Sazanka Korean Massage. Non-catholic means in this case, that you can get a HJ at the end of the massage.
Sazanka is located in Sukhumvit Soi 22, Washington Square, not easy to find. If somebody knows the restaurant, bar and boutique hotel “Bourbon Street” – Sazanka is next to it. If you walk up Soi 22 coming from the Sukhumvit road you have to turn left into Washington sqare after about 300 m. There is a parking lot, and you keep on walking on the right side of it. After 100 m you will see “Bourbon Street” on your right hand side, and 20 m behind it you will findr Sazanka Korean Massage.
If you walk in there you are first placed on a seat group, get a cold towel and occasionally something to drink. If they offer a drink you know that all girls are working, and that you will need time to get serviced. They show you their menu, which has only a few items in variation, and I always take the complete Sazanka massage.
That bundle contains a shower and intensive skin wash, a first skin scrub, a salt scrub, a hot towel treatment, a walking-on-your back massage during the hot towels cover your body and finally a lotion massage, which ends then with a hand job.
You select the girl based on cards with their pictures, and the receptionist will only show you those girls which are available in that moment. Depending on the day you are going there between two and eight options will be available. After selecting a girl you get a key for a locker where you can put all your valuables. Your girl then picks you up and guides you to the room, where you undress. Covered by a towel the girl brings you to the wet area for the shower, body scrub and salt treatment. Depending on the girl some smaller “activities” take place already there.
Back in the room you are completely covered in hot towels, and you receive a strong massage, shoulders, back, legs. Then the girl walks on your back and legs to move the joints of your backbone and relax the muscles of your thighs. After the towels are removed the lotion massage starts, which gets more and more sensual and ends with the HJ activities.
The technique used for the HJ is very unique, and I did not experience this technique in any other place in Bangkok up to now. The girl places the knuckles of her hand below your dick, and massages with the knuckles of the other hand. The sensations are created from squeezing your best part between the knuckles of two hands. It is really feels good. You can touch some of the girls, but others place themselves far away in between your legs, and then you know that they don’t want you to touch them. You cannot get more than a HJ.
I like the place because it is professionally organized, clean, and the girls really know how to massage. If you leave there you are completely relaxed and feel clean as never before, due to the body scrubs.
What I don’t like is the location of the wet area on the ground floor – you have to walk around there, half naked with only a towel covering you. Furthermore you are sometimes asked to take the massage first and the body scrub later, because all 3 places in the wet area are occupied. I recommend NOT TO accept that, it is important for the general experience to start with the services in the wet area.
Price for the Sazanka Massage: THB 1,380.00, HJ included.
Tip: I tip THB 500,00 to the girl, if the massage was good. If not I don’t tip. But a THB 200.00 tip is sufficient, too.
Giotto
Tamurlane26
06-06-06, 08:31
Definitely not a white one ! As for a Red One depends on how you prefer to serve your Duck !! My preference is for the Blue Duck
As for the self-serving comments it is amusing that people who contribute to a thread entitled "Giotto's Lodge" should come in for criticism when explaining events and stories surrounding their stay in the lodge. Why read the Lodge Thread if you think it is all about narcissistic enjoyment or self-congratulation. The jokes may be "in" jokes but hope that they are also open enough to be enjoyed by all and am sure that those who contribute are more than willing to enlighten others if requested.
Time to move on
Old Thai Hand
06-06-06, 09:24
Sitting ducks. ;)
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45314
Anyway, it's "clique", not "click", you bustards.
Right you are. But, in his original criticism of Giotto and the Lodge, Juicespike used the word "click", which is a kind of a joke word for clique, used by those wacky teenagers, these days.
Anyway, can we have different grades, since I'm not a bestard, having failed to show at the last pool party?
Bestards - full general membership
Bustards (as above) - the novices
Beastards (the uninitiated wannabes)
Bosstards (for the group leaders)
Best-turds (for the real shit disturbers) i.e. ME
Thanking you in advance for your consideration.
Taipei Traveller
06-06-06, 09:49
OTH,
Excellent suggestion, and as one still to yet visit Livingstones - a situation hopefully remodied in August - then i will put myself forward as the first beastard, or should that be bustard.
PG, since this is the final Duck hunt, I have to say the girl on the left in pic #3.
Cold Singha waiting for me?
1Ball,
Correct, our elusive Duck is actually in two pictures. The second and third picture. I will have a cold Singha waiting for you (and hopefully you can find a warm TG).
PG
Traveler1234
06-06-06, 11:14
As a new member of the Fraternal Order of Livingstone’s Lodge BESTARDS, I offer this final opportunity to identify the elusive and soon to be migrating south Duck. Any and all are eligible; the prize of one Singha beer must be redeemed at the Lodge.
It's not the first pix, blue duck - that's Nok with the braces?
Well....in keeping with the spirit of the board....I do know a BG at Rainbow II who has a condo for sale on Rama 4. She asked me if I knew anybody. I will get a fee.
RA
is that what you were talking about? LOLOld Thai Hand,
BUSTARD!!
Dominiotto
Giotto,
Indeed the massage in Sazanka is very special and enjoyable.
After the massage you feel clean and relaxed.
I recommend it before flying back from BKK.
That's an interesting place with many similarities to a real Korean MP with happy ending or even a regular Sports Massage.
What I don’t like is the location of the wet area on the ground floor – you have to walk around there, half naked with only a towel covering you.
This seems to be the only major difference I noticed. So, there were no knee-length shorts and/or parka-length robe in the locker room to protect your modesty?
Also, is the locker big enough to store both your valuables and clothes? I wouldn't want to leave my clothes laying about...
And, no public bath or hot sauna? I think, a bit of steam would add to the experience.
Seeko
Aussiebloke453
06-06-06, 14:41
I beg your indulgence!
What is the difference between Livingstone's and Giotto Lodge? What is the connection if any?
The two a mixed on the forum hear. Is there a post that explains the difference? I will be a newbie to BKK and interest in three nights accomodation.
What is the deal for forum members? I saw a special offer in earlier posts for stays of three nights is that still on offer?
Thanks.
Fleetz
Old Thai Hand
06-06-06, 14:56
Old Thai Hand,
BUSTARD!!
Dominiotto
No. I told you that I am a BEST-TURD (not to be confused with that mysogynist psycho...but, I'm sure he's really just kidding....HUMBLE TURD).
I'm actually a gay interior decorator based in KL. I've never been to Bangkok in my life or ever met a Thai women. 360+ posts. It's all been a sham.Old Thai Hand,
We know already WHAT you are. For sure you are using a faked digital camera, too!
Dominiotto
Seeko,
the answers:
This seems to be the only major difference I noticed. So, there were no knee-length shorts and/or parka-length robe in the locker room to protect your modesty?No shorts or robe, a simple towel must do.
Also, is the locker big enough to store both your valuables and clothes? I wouldn't want to leave my clothes laying about...No, you take your clothes upstairs. The locker is downstairs close to the reception, you cannot change there.
And, no public bath or hot sauna? I think, a bit of steam would add to the experience.No bath or sauna there. But there are other places. Sazanka is very small, a townhouse, 3 levels.
Giotto
Right you are. But, in his original criticism of Giotto and the Lodge, Juicespike used the word "click", which is a kind of a joke word for clique, used by those wacky teenagers, these days.Old Thai Hand,
Is it possible that you are in a let's say little bit NASTY mood in the moment? Wacky Teenagers? Should we add the classification BOOSTARD for you?
Dominiotto
Giotto,
Indeed the massage in Sazanka is very special and enjoyable.
After the massage you feel clean and relaxed.
I recommend it before flying back from BKK.Didi Vise,
thank you. Obviously I was lucky, and added ONE SINGLE TIME useful information to the forum.
Dominiotto
I beg your indulgence!
What is the difference between Livingstone's and Giotto Lodge? What is the connection if any?
The two a mixed on the forum hear. Is there a post that explains the difference? I will be a newbie to BKK and interest in three nights accomodation.
What is the deal for forum members? I saw a special offer in earlier posts for stays of three nights is that still on offer?
Thanks.
FleetzFleetz,
FLEETZ, FLEETZ, FLEETZ! FLEEEEEEETZ!
BESTARD! BUSTARD! BEASTARD! WHATEVER! RTFF!
Livingstone's Lodge is "Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok" aehhh "Dominiotto's Lodge in Bangkok". Same same but different? No! No difference, same same.
Further information available here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471667
And - please read the "Thai Women" thread, too. Better sell a car or a condo.
Dominiotto
Fleetz,
FLEETZ, FLEETZ, FLEETZ! FLEEEEEEETZ!
BESTARD! BUSTARD! BEASTARD! WHATEVER! RTFF!
Livingstone's Lodge is "Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok" aehhh "Dominiotto's Lodge in Bangkok". Same same but different? No! No difference, same same.
Further information available here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471667
And - please read the "Thai Women" thread, too. Better sell a car or a condo.
Dominiotto
PLEASE, SOMEBODY CALL THE NUT HOUSE. GIOTTO HAS DEFINITELY LOST IT!
PLEASE, SOMEBODY CALL THE NUT HOUSE. GIOTTO HAS DEFINITELY LOST IT!
Either that or someone else is on his computer. I mean, his reply to Fleetz wasn't even eloquent or coherent. ;)
Or, maybe he's possessed?
That might explain the name change. It's in transition...
Next incarnation: Demoniotto (if Jackson let him post one more...)
Someone at the Lodge, please stop him from achieving three 6's... :)
Seeko
Bill Buxton
06-06-06, 19:39
would like to stay here in july and would be flying from Manila. What airline would you recormend for the flight over from Manila??
Thanks B.B...
Either that or someone else is on his computer. I mean, his reply to Fleetz wasn't even eloquent or coherent. ;)
Or, maybe he's possessed?
That might explain the name change. It's in transition...
Next incarnation: Demoniotto (if Jackson let him post one more...)
Someone at the Lodge, please stop him from achieving three 6's... :)
SeekoSeeko,
There is a club here in Soi 33, called Demonia. Ever heard about it?
666iotto
There is a club here in Soi 33, called Demonia. Ever heard about it?
Yes, I have. No, I have not entered such establishment. Not my cup of tea... :o
Oh, c*#p, you've done it. Don't say, I didn't warn you. You may be growing extra appendages in the morning... ;)
Seeko
would like to stay here in july and would be flying from Manila. What airline would you recormend for the flight over from Manila??
Thanks B.B...Judging by Dominatrix Giotto's posts today, I'd recommend Aeroflot, straight over BKK and direct to Moscow, where you'll be much safer. ;)
would like to stay here in july and would be flying from Manila. What airline would you recormend for the flight over from Manila??
Thanks B.B...
BB, I think you should stop in BKK, bring flowers to Giotto, as he relaxes in his straight jacket. Or just got there to save him from the Dominatrix and her dungeon.
And the cheapest way is via Kuwait air. True, true, and remember you cannot enter the PI without an onward ticket.
I seem to recall LH flies that route also.
Old Thai Hand
06-07-06, 00:44
Seeko,
There is a club here in Soi 33, called Demonia. Ever heard about it?
666iotto
You're losing it, dude! LOL
next, you'll be Damianiotto.
You're losing it, dude! LOL
next, you'll be Damianiotto.
remember this is BKK, the world capital of LBs.
So he might be DamianiottA. :(
Good morning, Bestards.
Yesterday night I learned something. I had no idea about the number 666 ... and additionally the date was 06-06-06.
That means that I posted my report No. 666 on 06-06-06. That cannot be a coincidence. The devil must be in me!
For that we will rename the Lodge today to: "Satan's Lodge".
The elephant tusks outside on the road to: "Hell's Gate".
This is somehow only consequent, and that names give a much more detailed idea about what's going on inside the lodge.
Demoniotto
PosterLion
06-07-06, 05:53
Maybe you can change the name to "The House of the Angel of Death" and be sure to include the name in Thai as well ( บ้าน ยมทูต (baan ya ma thuut)).
For accuracy's sake, the Thai name literally translates to "Angel of Death's House."
On the other hand, maybe "Satan's Lodge" is better after all. If you really posted a sign that read " บ้าน ยมทูต ", your staff may decide not to show up for work, EVER! :)
cheers!
post
P.S. I noticed your post 666 on 6-6-06 and thought it much more than a coincidence as well. :)
Now enough of the POV and the marital status of Ducks there are more important issues at hand.
Namely Giotto - answer the questions
Does the sarong get retired and if so when is the ceremony
What is the pool for the World Cup
The forum awaits for the Oracle to replyChalky26,
I can answer question no. 1 now. Yesterday was the first day The Duck did not work here any more. We left her sarong to her, asked for her Bikini (and may be some nice underwear), will frame it and place it at the "Board of Honour" in the Sports Lounge.
I hope that makes you happy. We will provide towels for the crying men in the bar.
Giotto
Either that or someone else is on his computer. I mean, his reply to Fleetz wasn't even eloquent or coherent. ;)
Or, maybe he's possessed?
That might explain the name change. It's in transition...
Next incarnation: Demoniotto (if Jackson let him post one more...)
Someone at the Lodge, please stop him from achieving three 6's... :)
Seeko
Seeko,
Well I just happen to know that he was bf'd by several TGs last night (INCLUDING THE ONE I WANTED, the bestard!). I think this is what happens when you have to satisfy three girls at once ;)
PG
It was my first visit to the lodge and I must say that it was quite a pleasant experience. Both Giotto and Guido are very nice, the staff is very friendly in a relaxing atmosphere. The rooms are made right, everything is working. The local talent available on the premises is up to par. The food in the restaurant is quite good.
I would highly recommed the place and will gladly go back. The only drawback I found is in a way minor. I hate the bathroon sink because after shaving I had to plunge my hand in thee to let the water out.
Keep up the good work and the hostesses like Tan.
The elephant tusks outside on the road to: "Hell's Gate".
A more fitting heading based on reports in this thread:
"Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here"
:o
A more fitting heading based on reports in this thread:
"Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here"
:oSeeko,
careful, my friend, you are dealing with the devil.
Giotto
It was my first visit to the lodge and I must say that it was quite a pleasant experience. Both Giotto and Guido are very nice, the staff is very friendly in a relaxing atmosphere. The rooms are made right, everything is working. The local talent available on the premises is up to par. The food in the restaurant is quite good.
I would highly recommed the place and will gladly go back. The only drawback I found is in a way minor. I hate the bathroon sink because after shaving I had to plunge my hand in thee to let the water out.
Keep up the good work and the hostesses like Tan.Saigon5,
Thanks. (I have no idea who you are).
Yep, you are right with that sink problem, it is somehow a funny technology, I also don't like it. The next generation of sinks will be different ... you see, I have a lot to learn about the hospitality business.
Thanks for staying here.
Giotto
1.1 Livingstone's Lodge
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=448172
1.2 History, Philosophy and Rules
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=448352
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=458250
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=459450
1.3 Website
http://www.livingstones.co.th
1.4 Room Reservation
info@livingstones.co.th
reservation@livingstones.co.th
1.5 Contact
info@livingstones.co.th
1.6 Latest News / Events
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=473431
2. Prices
2.1 Room Rates
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=448360
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=461517
2.2 Bar Fines
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=457210
2.3 Promotions
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=452857
3. Pictures
3.1 The Lodge / Rooms
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=453686
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=453699
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=457957
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=454657
3.2 The Sports Lounge
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=456752
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=459797
3.3 The Restaurants
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=453240
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=453272
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=455440
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=459543
3.4 The Pub
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=456521
3.5 Festivals/Events
1) Loy Kratong, November 2005
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=455839
2) Songkran 2006, 13. - 15.04.2006
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=454278
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=454279
3) Swimming Pool Party, 29.04.2006
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=459123
4) Maids Party, 13.05.2006
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=463942
5) Swimming Pool Party, 27.05.2006
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=469161
3.6 Others
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=457470
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=462877
4. Feedbacks
04-04-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=449952
04-11-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=452492
04-13-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=453257
04-13-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=453334
04-18-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=455059
04-24-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=457119
04-25-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=457634
04-28-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=458530
04-29-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=458721
04-30-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=459069
05-06-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=460985
05-06-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=461140
05-07-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=461569
05-08-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=461843
05-09-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=462077
05-16-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=464411
05-23-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=467301
05-24-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=467359
05-31-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=469732
06-01-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=470390
06-04-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471420
06-04-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471298
06-07-06: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=472545
5. Guests Reports and Stories
1.) 1Ball: "More Aspirin please", 05-07-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=461492
2.) Chalky26: The "Mighty Duck", 05-18-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=465300
....Chalky26: “The Slaughter of the Innocents” or “Tintin in Soi 33”, 05-18-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=465301
3.) Piper1: “Wednesday night at Giotto’s”, 05-25-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=467685
…. Piper1: “Welcome to the Jungle”, 05-27-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=468411
…. Piper1: “Jungle Girl”, 05-27-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=468415
…. Piper1: “Pool, Office, Five Star, Foursome”, 05-28-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=468895
…. Piper1: “Final Night at Livingstones (until next time!)”, 05-29-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=469280
4.) Traveler1234: “Long Beach”, 05-30-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=469571
....Traveler1234: “Long Beach, second Visit”, 06-01-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=470174
5.) Pool Guy: "Pool Guy in da house", 06-02-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=470682
.... Pool Guy: "A day late and a dollar (ok, a baht) short", 06-03-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471219
.... Pool Guy: "A Day in the Life of the Ugly American: Pool Guy learns culture", 06-04-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471702
.... Pool Guy: "Second time around better, but still more to learn…", 06-08-06
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=472915
6. Giotto's Bangkok
1) Monet in Soi 33
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=459476
2) Five Star 1 in Soi Cowboy
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=468617
3) Sazanka Korean Massage
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=472087
7. Stories
1) Smilies/Smileys? Today/Tomorrow?
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=453083
2) After Songkran and Elections
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=456176
3) Newbies!!!
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=456524
4) Mick Jagger
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=458591
5) 3 men in a Boat
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=460221
6) Job Descriptions for Hostesses (1): Working Hours
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=460589
7) Livingstone's Gay Bar
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=463561
8) One day at Livingstone's
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=464596
9) The Truth about the Titans
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=469104
10) A Letter To A Groom
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=470629
The Management
Livingstone's Lodge Co., Ltd.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
Tomorrow it starts: The Soccer World Cup 2006.
Livingstone's Lodge is prepared for it. A new huge plasma screen in the Pub, TV's everywhere in the Sports Lounge and the pub. And the TV sound output reconnected to our sound system will create an atmosphere as if our customers were sitting directly in the stadium.
The only important questions of the tournament from Livingstone's point of view: Will the winner be GERMANY or an AFRICAN TEAM?
The schedule for tomorrow:
Friday, 06-09-06, 11.00 pm
Germany vs. Costa Rica
Saturday, 06-10-06, 2.00 am
Poland vs. Ecuador
We hope that many of our readers join us for the start-up event of Livingstone's World Cup Party.
The Management
Livingstone's Lodge Co., Ltd.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
Taipei Traveller
06-08-06, 08:15
Giotto,
Much as I can imagiine you would love to see the fatherland win again, dont see it happening even with home field advantage.
A England v Germany final with the same result as '66 would be nice, but cant see that happening.
Reckon it will go to S. America.
This was my second trip to BKK, staying and getting advice from Giotto at Livingstone’s Lodge. I arrived late at night, and unfortunately the Sports Bar was closed. Lucky me, the gracious Giotto offered up two Livingstone lovelies; however, I decided I needed more time to get to know the ladies, subsequently passed. I learned from my first stay that getting to know the girl, and if she liked you, your FUN time would be so much greater.
The flight from the States took about 20 hours, and I needed to stretch my legs. Last month I celebrated Songran at Soi Cowboy, and decided to try and find the beautiful girl I danced with. Unfortunately, I was told she was just a cashier, and no longer worked at Cowboy 1. For you seasoned vets, do girls change bars every month?
After walking around the Soi and being hassled by Katoeys, I decided to call it a night. Walking back, I stumbled on a street bar at the corner of Soi Cowboy and Sukhumvit. Apparently several girls got together, put up a few tables and were serving drinks out of coolers. I had fun chatting up the girls, and to my surprise met a bar girl from Pedros (whom I had drinks with last month). I thought we hit it up well, until she said she was tired and wanted to sleep. I tried to talk with her in the little Thai I knew, and thought she wanted to go home. I said ok, maybe next time and gave her money for cab fair. She looked perplexed; however, got into the cab and made me promise to bar fine her the next day. After she left, I found out from the other girls that she wanted to go back to the Lodge, not home for sleep…so much for learning more the second time around. However, the night still worked out, I bf’d a TG with the biggest booty and had a great time. I paid for ST; she stayed LT and woke me with a bbbj. See here for the pic; pass if you don’t like big booty: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=44846
The next night, I decided to slow down and have a drink at Livingstone’s Sports Bar. All of the girls were eye candy, and window shopping with a Singha was the call for the day. Giotto bought me a drink, and asked if I wanted to take any pictures (I am a photographer, and had my camera for a job). I had a great time taking pics of all the eye candy at the lodge, with the challenge to show the amount of fun you can have without revealing anyone’s identity. See here for the pics, sorry no nudes or faces:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45062
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45063
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45312
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45313
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45314
To my surprise, the girls asked for portraits (even after telling them portraiture was not my discipline). I had the pleasure of shooting several head shots and noticed one of the girls was rubbing my you know what. Turns out she was a girl I met last month, and to make a short story long, did not hit it off well with her due to several misunderstandings. I bought her and a friend several drinks, and was actually clicking with her friend. Unfortunately her friend was bf’d by someone else, leaving me with the one girl. I thought I would end up bf’ing her; however, (again my misunderstanding) thought someone else had bf’d her. She asked for 1,000 baht, which I thought was what I owed her for last month. Turns out my Thai was faulty again, and that was for the bf. Oh well, I decided to call it a night and hunt elsewhere.
I decided to print 8x10s for the girls and started to look for a shop when I ran into the first girl. Turns out she was not bf’d, and ended spending the rest of the week with me. While the evenings were fun, I actually had a better time hanging out with her and learning more of the Thai culture.
My final report is a unique massage from Sazanka on Sukhumvit Soi 22. Giotto treated me to their Korean massage, which was a total sensory experience. You get a bath; rub down, hot towels forming a miniature steam with massage, and a unique happy ending using her knuckles. The hj was so intense, I almost asked her to stop, but was happy at the end ;)
So for all of you seasoned vets, how do you bf more than one girl in a place without pissing all of them off and being labeled a butterfly? While I had a great time with my TG, there were so many beautiful girls in the Lodge…I wish I could post the head shots, guess you’ll have to go to the Lodge to see for yourself,
Pool GuyPool Guy,
Thanks for your reports, you will find all of them in the Thread Index, section "Guests Stories". In this one something is missing, you remember how you were bar-fined for 2 baht and I was then bar-fined for 4 baht...this is important for the members to know :) . It is not that we bar-fine the ladies...
Back at home - I know how much you miss Bangkok now, and Livingstone's Lodge. It was a pleasure for us to have you staying with us, so what can I say to make you smile...just come back as fast as you can make it.
Thank you for everything, BESTARD!
Giotto
Giotto
Will see you saturday night. keep the ladies warm (and not between your legs, if I may say so) and well fed, please.
D
Dear Giotto,
Just a quick postcard from Dubai to say how much I miss you, Mrs. Giotto, Fon, Island Girl, Jungle Girl, Pam, 1Ball, T1234 and the other partners in crime. The weather is here, wish you were lovely.
But I have one question: I'm putting together my BKK receipts, and I see my receipt for Livingstones has my name on it as "Piper1" instead of my real name. How do I explain this to the accountant at work when I claim my reimbursement? I guess one solution is to show him pics of me in Room 114, so he can make the connection. ;)
BTW, here's pics of a half-Korean beauty checking your brochures and a BKK map this afternoon.
PS - Poolguy - great report.
Neyzen Tevfik
06-08-06, 16:25
Hi Gentlemen !
I did not have the chance or time to check out the forum for a week.
As sson as I entered the site today, I saw Giotto's PM telling me what I started, and read through the thread, back from where I wrote, till Giotto's post about "DUCK STORY-TIME TO REVIEW".
I could not hold myself anymore.
I put my signature under everything Giotto has written , except for some ideas of us which are not parallel, but perpendicular (he still has prejudices about some things, which is quite normal, everyone BUILDS UP his own prejudices and calls them EXPERIENCE).
I confess that I did not read his LETTER TO A GROOM, while I wrote that post; but I chose not to delete my post, since what I wrote there were not meant for Giotto, but others who rushed in...
For those who wish to know me better, you are very wellcomed to read my posts in the Turkish forum (NOT only the photo gallery). Yes, I am a mid-aged man and yes, ı ahve SOME experience and accumulated knowledge about the things I am commenting on... But, it does not matter how much we know or how much we experienced. Cases in life cannot be evaluated via EXTRAPOLATIONS (see : Calculus) to our past experiences or savings...That's what I wanted to tell you !
I will not elaborate on this subject any more, since I see that people have already got their answers from OTHER people. Needless for me to add anything, also needless and useless (anymore) for the thread from now on...
But, I see that the discussion let me (and yourselves, I hope) know the people who write here BETTER... Don't you think so ?
Carpe Diem
I don’t expect the groom to be the big looser in this game, if the marriage breaks one day. But I know what The Duck is going to loose: a lot of time, the best months / years of her life, her face, social acceptance in the Thai society – and she might come back with a baby!
Coming to the end – I did what I had to do. I talked and made them think. And may be I was successful. The Duck quits working in the bar in two days from now. The groom postponed his return to Thailand due to some business issues, and he wants her to apply for a visa to come to Europe. I offered to help with the visa and guarantee, because he is not here in Thailand in the moment, and it will not be that easy for him to do that from Europe. I am quite sure that they will not get married in Europe, so I think they will have some time now to make decisions for their lifes.
That’s seams for me to be the end of the story – for now.
Giotto
Will see you saturday night. keep the ladies warm (and not between your legs, if I may say so) and well fed, please.
DDuniawala,
appreciated - Saturday is Maids Party! (Well fed???? No! )
Giotto
...
Cases in life cannot be evaluated via EXTRAPOLATIONS (see : Calculus) to our past experiences or savings...That's what I wanted to tell you !
Neyzen Tevfik,
Thanks, good to read that. It was a very interesting discussion which was started there.
But - reg. experiences I disagree with you. Of course experiences should not be the only evaluation measure we use, moral and ethical rules as well as religious reasons should be not forgotten, but life experience is the most important criteria of all. It allows you to learn, to add your own values to common rules.
Giotto
But I have one question: I'm putting together my BKK receipts, and I see my receipt for Livingstones has my name on it as "Piper1" instead of my real name. How do I explain this to the accountant at work when I claim my reimbursement? Piper1,
Thanks, it is hot here, too. Very hot. Is it hot in Dubai?
But you are joking. I know that you are joking. You want that afterwards 1Ball sentence me to read that "Samus Aran in Thailand" thread, right?
IS THERE REALLY PIPER1 AS YOUR NAME WRITTEN ON YOUR INVOICE? That cannot be. It cannot be.-------- Is it?
BESTARD!
Giotto
Just a simple question. I have been following your postings here. I think perhaps I would like to stay at Livingstone; s Lodge. However one quick question. Some nights, I have female company [Deleted by Admin]. Will Livingstone's give me a hard time on this, or is it live and let live, as long as no one is bothered.
Appreciate a reply as I may be there fairly soon.
Thank you
EDITOR's NOTE: This report was edited to remove transvestite references in the text. Please do not post transvestite references in the Forum. Thanks!
Just a simple question. I have been following your postings here. I think perhaps I would like to stay at Livingstone;s Lodge. However one quick question. Some nights, I have female company and some nights I prefer lady boys. Will Livingstone's give me a hard time on this, or is it live and let live, as long as no one is bothered.
Appreciate a reply as I may be there fairly soon.
Thank youEZ Feelin,
Thanks for this question. BUSTARD! It was too quiet in this thread anyway :) .
Due to the magnitude of the shock wave a possible wrong answer could create I will contact my lawyer, tax consultant, dentist, marketing consultant, psychologist and tailor for an urgent meeting first. I am personally unable to oversee all moral and ethical influence factors, medical and legal issues and FORUM RULES which are somehow connected to a discussion about this subject.
I will come back to you as soon as the expert recommendation for an answer in on my desk.
Giotto
PS: I knew it, I should have stayed in bed this morning.
Tropic Tourist
06-09-06, 04:19
I'm thinking about staying at Livingstone's in August. I will be leaving BKK on Wednesday, August 16 at 11:15 am. How easy or difficult will this trip be from here? At what time should I leave and what is the best way to get to the airport, including cost? Also, in Costa Rica you need to pay an EXIT TAX!! Is there anything similar in Bangkok. I don't want anything to add stress when leaving.
Thanks in advance for any helpful info.
Warning
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Everybody coming to Bangkok during this days (09.06.06 - 13.06.06) will encounter huge traffic problems everywhere in the city.
The reason for that are the celebrations of the 60th anniversary of the accession to the throne of His M*.*.*y The K*.g of T*.*.*.d.
During the arrival time of the guests (now) the road FROM the airport into the city will be blocked several times - FOR HOURS. And after the celebrations, when all the royalties will leave again, the road TO the airport will be blocked.
In the city streets will be blocked several times (Rama 4, Sathon, etc. etc. ).
There is no recommendation possible how to avoid that problem. If the traffic in Bangkok stops somewhere it sooner or later stops everywhere.
Please be prepared for hours of useless waiting in traffic.
Giotto
Giotto,
Much as I can imagiine you would love to see the fatherland win again, dont see it happening even with home field advantage.
A England v Germany final with the same result as '66 would be nice, but cant see that happening.
Reckon it will go to S. America.Taipei Traveler,
England? Do they participate? Really? And they know how to kick the ball?
History shows: World Cups in Europe were won by European teams, World Cups in South America were won by South American teams. World Cups somewhere else were also won by somebody.
Anyway: If Germany can fix their problem in the defense they will win. Of course. Because - simply because I AM GERMAN! :)
Giotto
I recently stayed a couple of nights at your place and had some games and actitivities with one of the hostesses.
Now I am planning to visit again but this time with my Thai gf. Do I need to be afraid of anything,
I hope you know what I mean... I mean how long memory those lovely hostesses have :)
I enjoyed a lot of stayting there so coming again.
Cheers,
jb
Giotto, you fucking pussy, hiding behind your gay taylor ? I have seen you in your sexy shorts and flip flops...
come on, answer the man.................. Are you OK with is query or not?
Oh and BTW, Germany in soccer....sucks. they are worse at soccer than they are at tennis, and they are really really bad at tennis, since Boris.
:D
:D
:D
Warning
======
Everybody coming to Bangkok during this days (09.06.06 - 13.06.06) will encounter huge traffic problems everywhere in the city.
The reason for that are the celebrations of the 60th anniversary of the accession to the throne of His M*.*.*y The K*.g of T*.*.*.d.
During the arrival time of the guests (now) the road FROM the airport into the city will be blocked several times - FOR HOURS. And after the celebrations, when all the royalties will leave again, the road TO the airport will be blocked.
In the city streets will be blocked several times (Rama 4, Sathon, etc. etc. ).
There is no recommendation possible how to avoid that problem. If the traffic in Bangkok stops somewhere it sooner or later stops everywhere.
Please be prepared for hours of useless waiting in traffic.
Giotto
and I was planning to come for the duck's wedding. (anyone remember her?)
please cancel my res for those dates.
Giotto, you fucking pussy, hiding behind your gay taylor ? I have seen you in your sexy shorts and flip flops...
...
Oh and BTW, Germany in soccer....sucks. they are worse at soccer than they are at tennis, and they are really really bad at tennis, since Boris.1Ball.
I did not know that my tailor was gay - how do you know :) ?
Soccer: I know that the people from the island envy Germany on the quality, cleverness and effectiveness of the soccer we play. The "Kick and Rush" strategy from the island is something what not even Third World countries play in these modern days.
And you don't really want to talk to me about tennis, do you? When was Wimbledon won last time by an English player?
Giotto
Tamurlane26
06-09-06, 08:39
As you have mentioned Boris one has to mention the cupboards - a subject dear to my heart as was offered the broom cupboard if I continued to fail to use the jacuzzi which was done with the Duck - now we have the Ducks wedding coinciding with a lesser known celebration.
To top it all we have someone mentioning Fussball - this is perhaps why the Germans have won before as we English were confused !! we thought fussball was something related to the pussy and so focussed our attentions on other areas rather than the pitch. We were in close control around the "box" but lost in the "goal mouth"
This proves the English can weave as we have mentioned all major points in one sweeping paragraph - a tribute to Roon and not the Kaiser
Costa Rica rocks !!
If they win will Giotto wear a bowl of fruit on his head for a week and play with the maracas - watch this space
Costa Rica rocks !!
If they win will Giotto wear a bowl of fruit on his head for a week and play with the maracas - watch this spaceChalky26,
The only possible answer is: I don't have to think about that, Costa Rica will not win!
Giotto
1Ball.
And you don't really want to talk to me about tennis, do you? When was Wimbledon won last time by an English player?
Giotto
I believe it was Fred Perry, who won it 3 times. (in a row).
The first time, was the year you were born.
Free Singha (just go to the bar and put it on Giotto's tab), to whomever answers this question. (without the help of Google)
Before becoming Wimbledon champ, FP was a champion at another sport.
Which sport?
I recently stayed a couple of nights at your place and had some games and actitivities with one of the hostesses.
Now I am planning to visit again but this time with my Thai gf. Do I need to be afraid of anything,
I hope you know what I mean... I mean how long memory those lovely hostesses have :)
I enjoyed a lot of stayting there so coming again.
Cheers,
jbJbecker,
Don't take the risk. It's not worth it.
You never know what those ladies are talking. If you don't go with your GF into the Sports Lounge - no problem, but ... what is if she wants to go there? And what is if the ladies you played with need to have an urgent exchange with your GF about your qualities (I mean reg. the subject of money flow, of course :) ) ?
Come here when you are free, and stay somewhere else if you are with your GF.
Giotto
Giotto,
Was wondering - I am not a Farang (i.e. Caucasian) but am of South Asian origin.
Many of the girls differentiate between Caucasian and South Asian Farangs.
Is this also true at Livingstones or do you think I can have a good time?
I'm hoping to come back in August; however will probably arrive late as I always fly JAL. Is it possible to bf a girl (assuming she agrees) and buy her drinks ahead of time? Since I'll probably come in at 2:00am, it would be great to have her waiting for me.
A lonely PG
PG, since you are a returning customer, if there is a girl you really like and want, BF her in advance, the evening you are arriving, and have her meet you at the airport. The ride into town goes so much faster with a cutie next to you. Then as you arrive, since you have broken the ice, you can head on up stairs immediately. I am sure you can call when you are 10 minutes away, and someone will run up to fill the tub for you. :)
Maybe she can even be waiting for you with a small cooler, with a couple of cold ones?
Giotto,
Was wondering - I am not a Farang (i.e. Caucasian) but am of South Asian origin.
Many of the girls differentiate between Caucasian and South Asian Farangs.
Is this also true at Livingstones or do you think I can have a good time?
Differentiate - Yes
Discriminate - Nah
Traveler1234
06-10-06, 01:39
I miss my second home very much, but more importantly lost out on being bar-fined by this lovely to you (BESTARD).
I'm hoping to come back in August; however will probably arrive late as I always fly JAL. Is it possible to bf a girl (assuming she agrees) and buy her drinks ahead of time? Since I'll probably come in at 2:00am, it would be great to have her waiting for me.
A lonely PG
Pool guy - the pix of the TG in your post, is she the one you bf for the week? Actually had my eye on her my first night at Giotto's but she was busy the first few nights?
Also, surprised you got a frontal shot of her but I guess if you haven't been there, wouldn't recognize her....LOL
Giotto,
Was wondering - I am not a Farang (i.e. Caucasian) but am of South Asian origin.
Many of the girls differentiate between Caucasian and South Asian Farangs.
Is this also true at Livingstones or do you think I can have a good time?Dezi Guy,
You will have a good time, for sure. Of course the girls have their individual preferences. But there is also a group of girls working here which like South Asians. We have many customers from India, those guys, who come in in the early afternoon and sit in the Sports Lounge watching cricket on the TV - for hours and hours :) !
No discrimination. But cricket is fucking boring.
Giotto
Traveler1234
06-10-06, 04:16
Dezi Guy,
You will have a good time, for sure. Of course the girls have their individual preferences. But there is also a group of girls working here which like South Asians. We have many customers from India, those guys, who come in in the early afternoon and sit in the Sports Lounge watching cricket on the TV - for hours and hours :) !
No discrimination.
Giotto
Hey, make sure you point this group of girls out to me next visit :D
LOL
Hey, make sure you point this group of girls out to me next visit :D
LOLTraveler1234,
No discrimination of humans...are you human :) ?
Giotto
Mr. Vice President,
the result of the opening match yesterday:
Germany vs. Costa Rica 4 : 2
Admitted, Costa Rica doesn't seam to be a very talented team, and as I said before Germany has a serious problem in the defense (I anyway never saw a 4-defense-chain working sufficiently).
But it was not that bad, an interesting soccer match, offensive football, not boring to watch.
Let us wait and see how England performs today against Paraguay.
BTW: Somebody interested that we set up a small forecast competition for the World Cup here in the thread, Livingstone's could promote that with some prices ( i.e. a few days stay in the Executive Suite etc. etc. ) ?
Giotto
I believe it was Fred Perry, who won it 3 times. (in a row).
The first time, was the year you were born.
Free Singha (just go to the bar and put it on Giotto's tab), to whomever answers this question. (without the help of Google)
Before becoming Wimbledon champ, FP was a champion at another sport.
Which sport?Mr. Vice President,
Fred Perry won Wimbledon 1934, 1935, 1936 . This is not my year of birth, but possibly that where most of our girls were born.
Before he was world champion in table tennis - that is the disciplin you always play when you have your hands in your pockets.
All that was easy to find out WITH THE HELP OF GOOGLE!
Do I now get FREE SINGHA?
Giotto
I'm thinking about staying at Livingstone's in August. I will be leaving BKK on Wednesday, August 16 at 11:15 am. How easy or difficult will this trip be from here? At what time should I leave and what is the best way to get to the airport, including cost? Also, in Costa Rica you need to pay an EXIT TAX!! Is there anything similar in Bangkok. I don't want anything to add stress when leaving.
Thanks in advance for any helpful info.Tropic Tourist,
The best way to get to the airport is to take a taxi, THB 250.00 from Livingstone's, that's US $ 7 . There is something like EXIT TAX, but it is Airport Tax, THB 500.00 (US $ 14) per person, to be paid when you leave, after checking in.
No problem at all.
Giotto
Pool Guy,
You left too early. You should have been here yesterday, when Bangkok turned into yellow due the the Kings 60th anniversary - it would have been a festival for a photographer.
Some more remarks:
I miss my second home very much, but more importantly lost out on being bar-fined by this lovely to you (BESTARD).As you know the best ones are always for me. No chance for a layman. ROOKARD!
By the way, I'm still trying to figure out why the girls do certain things. Both actually came to the airport with me, and never asked for anything (even cab fare). I understand from you that this is part of the service (if you bf a girl for the week); however, why did her friend tag along? While I bought her drinks in the bar and dinner, all of my evening attention (baht) went to the first girl.The second girl went with her friend. Thai people are very friendly and hospitably.
I do admit giving what I had left in my wallet to the girls (most went to the girl I bf'd for the week). They actually saved me money, as I over slept, and would have missed my flight if she did not get me out of bed.You did the right thing, my friend. Even if others think you wasted money - I would have done the same thing. Keep the girls happy, then they will keep you happy.
I'm hoping to come back in August; however will probably arrive late as I always fly JAL. Is it possible to bf a girl (assuming she agrees) and buy her drinks ahead of time? Since I'll probably come in at 2:00am, it would be great to have her waiting for me.If you want somebody specific - no problem, we arrange that. Send me a PM before you leave home. I would not recommend to simply barfine "somebody". That normally does not work well.
A lonely PGI know how you feel, my friend. I saw it in your eyes when you left.
You will be back soon, I know that too.
Take care.
Giotto
I found a very interesting report about the result of bargaining with girls for the service price. This was Hongkong, but it is basically the same everywhere in Asia.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=473422
This is why I would definitely recommend NOT to bargain. Either the price the lady offers is OK, or you say NO. If the lady then lowers the quotation price you might reconsider, but the risk starts there, too. You basically can negotiate all the girls down, but you will get worse service.
Giotto
The second Saturday of the month is there, and everybody knows: That’s Livingstone's Maids Party Day!
On Saturday, 10.06.2006, 7.00 pm our monthly Sports Lounge Party will take place at Livingstone’s Lodge, Sukhumvit Soi 33. Relax and have your dinner first, the action will start around 8:30 to 9:00 pm.
Specials of the day:
- Girls dressed in "Maids" costumes
- Sexy Coyote [Dancing] Show
- Cabaret Show in the Sports Lounge
- Disco/Dancing in the Sports Lounge
- Free Snacks
During the party we will show the live coverage of the World Cup Soccer Matches on our screens:
8.00 pm: England vs. Paraguay
11.00 pm: Sweden vs. Trinidad
We are sure that we will have some fun, and most of us will end up in the pool during that night.
The Management
Livingstone’s Lodge Co., Ltd.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
Pool guy - the pix of the TG in your post, is she the one you bf for the week? Actually had my eye on her my first night at Giotto's but she was busy the first few nights?
Also, surprised you got a frontal shot of her but I guess if you haven't been there, wouldn't recognize her....LOL
Traveler1234,
You are correct, and I deleted the picture and post. In my defense, the eyes usually allow for a psychological connection, or a specific tattoo. Both were not visible in this photo.
This is NOT the girl I bf’d (ask Dr G, I prefer bigger booty and curves); although thought she was too hot! My Thai was bad, so she could not understand me. While portraiture is not my discipline, this girl danced and moved with great sexual tension. If my Thai were better, I would have hired her for a photo shoot at U.S. prices (10,000 baht an hour for an amateur model).
While I will never show this girl again, my editor saw the picture and wanted to use it for an ad campaign and offered to buy a one time use license for $300.00 U.S. (11,100 baht).
If my Thai were better, I would have offered the license fee to the girl. I believe she is model material for an Asian niche market.
Wish I could show you the head shots; I am printing them in my studio, and will send the girls a 20’x30’ poster c/o Dr. G at my second home. Guess you’ll have to go to the Lodge and ask the girls to see their pictures.
PG
PG, since you are a returning customer, if there is a girl you really like and want, BF her in advance, the evening you are arriving, and have her meet you at the airport. The ride into town goes so much faster with a cutie next to you. Then as you arrive, since you have broken the ice, you can head on up stairs immediately. I am sure you can call when you are 10 minutes away, and someone will run up to fill the tub for you. :)
Maybe she can even be waiting for you with a small cooler, with a couple of cold ones?
1Ball,
Even as a second time BESTARD ROOKARD at Livingstone's, I have much to learn from you vets. I will definitely follow your advice and ask Dr G to bf Ta…. And have her meet me at the airport with a couple of cold ones.
Dr G,
Can you arrange for Ta…(I’ll send you the details closer to my flight) to meet me at the airport? Can I charge this to my room, or do you need me to transfer baht? I’d like to b/f her for a week in August.
A depressed PG waiting for August.
Giotto,
Was wondering - I am not a Farang (i.e. Caucasian) but am of South Asian origin.
Many of the girls differentiate between Caucasian and South Asian Farangs.
Is this also true at Livingstones or do you think I can have a good time?
Dezi,
I am Asian American (to my suprise, most thought I was from Japan) and had a GREAT time at the Lodge. I was lucky enough to have several girls vying for my attention (it was stiff competition with Dr G lurking and getting bf'd by all the hotties).
No prob with discrimination, Livingstone's is an equal opportunity employer when it comes to your money ;)
PG
Dear Giotto,
Just a quick postcard from Dubai to say how much I miss you, Mrs. Giotto, Fon, Island Girl, Jungle Girl, Pam, 1Ball, T1234 and the other partners in crime. The weather is here, wish you were lovely.
But I have one question: I'm putting together my BKK receipts, and I see my receipt for Livingstones has my name on it as "Piper1" instead of my real name. How do I explain this to the accountant at work when I claim my reimbursement? I guess one solution is to show him pics of me in Room 114, so he can make the connection. ;)
BTW, here's pics of a half-Korean beauty checking your brochures and a BKK map this afternoon.
PS - Poolguy - great report.
Piper,
Thanks for the compliment, still trying to learn how to steal bf's from the EVIL Dr G.
The night before I left, Pim/Pam asked me to take some head shots. Lucky you, she was one HOT TG.
An envious PG
PosterLion
06-10-06, 11:21
I generally avoid bargaining with a girl simply because I don't enjoy it. In fact, I never talk about money unless the subject is broached by the girl, in which case I generally move on as my experiences with girls that talk about money have generally not been as good as my experiences with girls that don't talk about money.
When I take a girl I know that I will spend up to 2,000 baht (depending on service). It doesn't matter to me whether it is for short time or for long time. I won't spend more than 2,000 and yes, I've spent 2,000 for short time when I thought the service was worth it, which is rare.
Here's what has happened so far with my most recent girl . . .
The first night I gave her 1,500 for long time because the service was excellent. I considered giving 2,000, but decided on 1,500 because she seemed like the type of person that would be happy with 1,500. It was a judgement call and it was the right call.
The next time I saw her was very late at night. We were both tired and collapsed on the bed to sleep. There was no sex involved at all and the next day when she got up to take a shower I put 2,000 in her purse. When she discovered the money she handed it to me and said, "I can't accept this for sleeping in your room." I made her take 1,000 and told her not to worry, "If I give you money, it means I am happy to do it."
The thrid time we met was the night before I went to America for those three lonely weeks I reported on earlier. I gave her 3,000 for sexual services and also to help me take care of some personal business in Bangkok while I was gone. Add it all up and you'll see that I've paid this girl 5,500 Baht for two sexual encounters and a couple of simple errands.
Many of you may think I'm crazy, but let me continue. Since I've been back she's stayed with me for five nights in a row. Now how much do you think I had to pay for all that? I'll tell you: 1,620 baht. Yes it's true, but on the other hand . . . I am quite charming ;)
Eight encounters for 5,500 + 1,620 = 7,120 / (8) (or my charm) = 890 Baht per encounter. I think that's not so bad for a girl that frequents Spazzos, especially since I did not have any need for negotiation. :)
poster
Bargaining...
The four rules of successful bargaining:
Rule 1) Know the local price
Rule 2) Don't ever pay more than the local price
Rule 3) Test the downside of the local price (not the upside:()
Rule 4) If you don't like the local price, fuck 'em and spend your cash elsewhere
Tamurlane26
06-10-06, 16:31
It has been confirmed by FIFA this evening that they shall be investigating Livingstones in Bangkok following a report that the results of matches are being fixed from there.
This has arisen due to a complaint from Sven Goran due to the poor performance of the England works team this evening. It has been rumoured that the performance was attributed to their being more focussed on why they were not in Bangkok for the entertainment this evening.
In addition is it a coincidence that the German match was played before the event allowing plenty of time for "Bollack" and Oliver "am i that big" Kahn to be mysteriously unavailable for selection. The attempt by Jens Lehmann to claim an ankle injury so that he could be treated in 115 has also been put down to a vicious rumour being circulated by the gay press in London.
Sepp Blatter has promised a full enquiry and will be heading to Bangkok for the next Pool Party along with Sven who expects to be eliminated before that time. Rumour also has it that most of the African teams will eliminate themselves on the grounds that they shall be seeking their historical "roots" in Livingstones - believing it to be part of deepest dearest Africa due to the grass huts in the entrance.
"Depressed in KL"
(The thought of Giotto smirking at tonights game has proven too much for me this evening and so I hope he is too busy to miss this report before tomorrow!! - thus allowing the thread to have moved on before he can comment any further on my misery)
Mr. Vice President,
All that was easy to find out WITH THE HELP OF GOOGLE!
Do I now get FREE SINGHA?
Giotto
Mr Chairman,
I am afraid, since you found this fascinating piece of trivia using Google, that you in fact DO NOT GET THE FREE SINGHA.
Please make sure you pay for EVERY drink you consume at the Sports bar.
For your valient effort, however, you do get a nice cup of warm jacuzzi water.
Mr Chairman,
I am afraid, since you found this fascinating piece of trivia using Google, that you in fact DO NOT GET THE FREE SINGHA.
Please make sure you pay for EVERY drink you consume at the Sports bar.
For your valient effort, however, you do get a nice cup of warm jacuzzi water.Mr. Vice President,
I know that you are looking for EXCUSES to start flames. The real reason is
ENGLAND
Please be sure - I feel with you. But they will never learn to play football. Believe me.
Giotto
Tamurlane26
06-11-06, 04:16
My shortest report on record - Enough Said !! Good Weekend All
Dr G,
Can you arrange for Ta…(I’ll send you the details closer to my flight) to meet me at the airport? Can I charge this to my room, or do you need me to transfer baht? I’d like to b/f her for a week in August.
A depressed PG waiting for August.Pool Guy,
let's wait a bit .., before we barfine Ta... . She is in the bar now every night, depressed that you left, crying and crying... I think she will quit soon and work at McDonalds until you come back :) .
No, you remember the discussion about freedom and changes? If we barfine her from the beginning for a week in August YOUR FREEDOME IS GON. We will arrange that differently.
No depression, August already starts in 7 weeks from now, that's not very long.
Giotto
Tamurlane26
06-11-06, 06:11
This is too much our heroine is left on the page 10 and no more chapters to write ?
What ails her condition - is Bangkok free of Duck Flu or is there some new variant waiting to hit all who enter the Sports Bar - could it be "Ta ta"
Watch this space and Giotto put us out of our misery or delight whatever the case may be.
As there has been no news as to whether my life sentence has been lifted I shall have to go to Dubai instead and should be there this week.
In the meantime Blatter is closing in on your coup of managing to ensure Germany wins the first game - Roll on Ecuador - will your luck hold and what parties have you planned to distract the South Americans ?
This is too much our heroine is left on the page 10 and no more chapters to write ?
What ails her condition - is Bangkok free of Duck Flu or is there some new variant waiting to hit all who enter the Sports Bar - could it be "Ta ta"
Watch this space and Giotto put us out of our misery or delight whatever the case may be.Chalky26,
latest news from The Duck: SHE WAS BACK IN THE BAR yesterday night.
Obviously she had a small "date arrangement" problem. She had sent an SMS to an old customer to meet him (no money any more???), and that guy came to Livingstone's and asked for her, and waited there then. That was obviously not planned.
So she reoccured from the darkness - back in Livingstone's.
I asked her about her Visa, and she answered that she might come back working in the bar! (I did not tell her that she doesn't need a visa for that!).
Let's wait how the love story develops.
Giotto
Bargaining...
The four rules of successful bargaining:
Rule 1) Know the local price
Rule 2) Don't ever pay more than the local price
Rule 3) Test the downside of the local price (not the upside:()
Rule 4) If you don't like the local price, fuck 'em and spend your cash elsewhereFreeler,
May be there is something like a "local price" on Beach Road in Pattaya. But I doubt that something like that exists in general.
Girls prices differ from place to place, and additionally from girl to girl. Just try to get a hostess from Pegasus Club or a dancer from Forte for the standard St/LT Nana/Soi Cowboy prices, and the only reaction you will get is shaking heads :) .
Giotto
Bargaining...
The four rules of successful bargaining:
Rule 1) Know the local price
Rule 2) Don't ever pay more than the local price
Rule 3) Test the downside of the local price (not the upside:()
Rule 4) If you don't like the local price, fuck 'em and spend your cash elsewhere
Freeler,
May be there is something like a "local price" on Beach Road in Pattaya. But I doubt that something like that exists in general.
Girls prices differ from place to place, and additionally from girl to girl. Just try to get a hostess from Pegasus Club or a dancer from Forte for the standard St/LT Nana/Soi Cowboy prices, and the only reaction you will get is shaking heads :) .
Giotto
For me it is rather logical.
1) There is a going rate at each place and it is important to know the local going gate. It is just a definition of what is local. Pattaya is different and Bangkok is different end even within the wider city areas the going rate is rather more local and dependent on the location. Nana Plaza streetwalker has a different going rate then the dancers in the upscale clubs in the larger Soi #s.
Remarks: 'By the way I didn't see any report yet about the Giotto's loge girls going rate - is this a taboo theme in this tread?'
So it is important to know the local rate of the various places in Bangkok and it would be good to have a Report of Distinction of the going Rate here summarized by an experienced mongerer (Giotto, or who else can contribute?) instead of digging it out by RTFF.
2) And of course for each of the locations there is a bandwidth depending on the girl’s look and performance.
3) There might be a bandwidth too for the girls, depending on their desire. e.g. if they have they see a chance for a gold digging, marriage, young, old guy etc.
For myself, I would be rather bargain on negotiating actions, time, 'extras' or such, then to discuss price. Of course the price should be somehow within the local Bandwidth.
Pure price bargain however leads to low performance and if somebody is just way above the going rate, I just decline the offer with a friendly (never complaining) comment why (' I think you look great and it seems you are in the top 10% class for looks and service, but I get the same quality for much less. As I don’t want to negotiate you below what you feel worth it I better give it up. Sorry for that.’ Something like that).
Or if the quotation is not way higher, but somehow higher I would ask that I am curious to get to know what special skills there are, different from the other girls. ('oh – after she mentioned the price- that sounds that you want to offer me something special, what is it, sounds interesting, I like girls with special skills above standard?’ Then it is up to her to explain- but she should get the story).
I think this is a much smarter way for 'bargaining'. And to be honest, I could afford the one or other 500 baht.
regards
Brain666
Pool Guy,
let's wait a bit .., before we barfine Ta... . She is in the bar now every night, depressed that you left, crying and crying... I think she will quit soon and work at McDonalds until you come back :) .
No, you remember the discussion about freedom and changes? If we barfine her from the beginning for a week in August YOUR FREEDOME IS GON. We will arrange that differently.
No depression, August already starts in 7 weeks from now, that's not very long.
Giotto
Leave it to the good Dr. G to guide this BESTARD ROOKARD, things change...maybe I can impersonate the Duck's famous sumo customer? Maybe even get her to accept Yen?
A looking up, practicing sumo moves,
PG
Giotto,
'May be there is something like a "local price" on Beach Road in Pattaya. But I doubt that something like that exists in general."
Of course, as a seller, you would say that. And probably the newbies, like 1Ball:), who come to stay at your lodge will fall for it.
As a buyer, I know that when you get her home, it doesn't matter where you picked her up. All that counts is value for money: If the gal sucks, she sucks and if she doesn't, fuck her:).
BTW How much do your girls want for ST and LT?
Of course, as a seller, you would say that. And probably the newbies, like 1Ball:), who come to stay at your lodge will fall for it.
As a buyer, I know that when you get her home, it doesn't matter where you picked her up. All that counts is value for money: If the gal sucks, she sucks and if she doesn't, fuck her:).
BTW How much do your girls want for ST and LT?Freeler,
I don't think that this has to do with buyers or sellers. It really depends on the girl and where she works.
Streetwalker prices differ from beer bar prices, gogo bar prices differ from hostess bars or socalled "high-class clubs". And within a single venue the prices then differ from girl to girl.
As a buyer I can say that if the experience is OK I am willing to pay the girls rate. But - you normally only know that afterwards. What is "value for money" in this case? 5 times in 5 hours? 4 different positions in 34.5 min? Coming in her face like in Asian Rains pictures, is that worth THB 500.00 more? Value for money, in Hongkong different from Singapore and Bangkok?
As a buyer I am simply not willing to treat girls like objects, only because they are working in this business. The girls have their own idea about their price, and in beer- and gogo bars, even in some hostess bars they will first ask for more and lower their rates immediately if you react reluctantly. You don't even have to negotiate, simply say nothing, and the prices fall to the minimum requirement of that specific girl. If you then try to negotiate her down because you want to get it cheaper - you will destroy the whole experience already before it starts.
I use money to make a girl happy. If she is happy she will give a better service to make me happy. It is that easy.
Girls prices in Livingstone's: To be honest, I don't know it. This is up to the girls. I know the going rate in the road is THB 2,000 ST and THB 3,000 LT, but I also know that some girls go for less, especially if they urgently need money, and others never go for such a low rate, they start with THB 3,000 ST and THB 5,000 LT. And they usually get more than that.
Giotto
Traveler1234
06-11-06, 15:27
Freeler,
Girls prices in Livingstone's: To be honest, I don't know it. This is up to the girls. I know the going rate in the road is THB 2,000 ST and THB 3,000 LT, but I also know that some girls go for less, especially if they urgently need money, and others never go for such a low rate, they start with THB 3,000 ST and THB 5,000 LT. And they usually get more than that.
Giotto
Barfines
Before 11 pm, 1500
After 11 pm, 1000
They usually ask/expect
ST 2000
LT 3000
But like anywhere else, they might ask for more if they think you're newbie, etc. And you can negotiate for less if you're cute :) LOL
Traveler1234
06-11-06, 15:30
Freeler,
Girls prices in Livingstone's: To be honest, I don't know it. This is up to the girls. I know the going rate in the road is THB 2,000 ST and THB 3,000 LT, but I also know that some girls go for less, especially if they urgently need money, and others never go for such a low rate, they start with THB 3,000 ST and THB 5,000 LT. And they usually get more than that.
Giotto
Barfines
Before 11 pm, 1500
After 11 pm, 1000
They usually ask/expect
ST 2000
LT 3000
But like anywhere else, they might ask for more if they think you're newbie, etc. And you can negotiate for less if you're cute :) LOL
PS Most bars Soi 33
Barfine 1200
ST 2000
LT 3000
Barfines
Before 11 pm, 1500
After 11 pm, 1000
They usually ask/expect
ST 2000
LT 3000
Traveler1234,
Thanks. How do you know, you never barfined anybody here? LOL.
Giotto
Traveler1234,
Thanks. How do you know, you never barfined anybody here? LOL.
GiottoHe asked me. Just kidding. ;) From memory I paid Fon 2500 first night, then 3000 second and third night. Island girl had agreed to 2500 first night, but because she stayed with me the next day and next night until morning check-out, I gave her a total of 7000 plus dinner and drinks, and medication for her infected toe (aww shucks). Don't flame me guys - she was worth the bit extra IMHO.
I'll call her to see if she's around later this month. If so I might have her stay with me a couple of nights (and help me choose a second girl for one of the nights, since she seemed to enjoy her first experience with girls). A few more pics of her and friends in the photo section.
Giotto,
'May be there is something like a "local price" on Beach Road in Pattaya. But I doubt that something like that exists in general."
Of course, as a seller, you would say that. And probably the newbies, like 1Ball:), who come to stay at your lodge will fall for it.
Freeler, as a newbie, I found the Lodge wonderful. Giotto took care of everything for me. Since it was my first time in BKK, he even suggested I give him the money for the girls, so as to avoid any embarrassment. So every night, as I bar fined one of his more mature ladies, (he told me the girls over 45 were better at the job), typically at 10.55PM, ( I still don’t know why that time frame was so important to Giotto), I would hand him 6,000 baht if I planned on being with the girl short time, and 9,000 Baht if I planned being with the girl long time. It was a perfect arrangement, only made better by him offering me the services of the in house chauffeur to the airport, who drove a nice red and blue car. Even though there was a meter in the car, I was told it was only used for “non special” guests. So as everyone waved goodbye to me, I hoped into my “chauffeured limo” to the airport, after having paid Giotto 1,000 baht for the use of his personal chauffeur.
He really takes care of his guests
:D
Pipeman,
let's flame!!!!
He asked me. Just kidding. ;) From memory I paid Fon 2500 first night, then 3000 second and third night. Island girl had agreed to 2500 first night, but because she stayed with me the next day and next night until morning check-out, I gave her a total of 7000 plus dinner and drinks, and medication for her infected toe (aww shucks). Don't flame me guys - she was worth the bit extra IMHO.You layman! You overpayer. Sucker!
We poor mongers have then later to pay YOUR PRICE, because the girls get used to that and want more and more and more and more from us!!! No girl is worth that much, they are anyway all same! Two tits and a pussy! You should have paid a maximum of THB 500.00.
BTW: If she gets that much money (THB 500.00) she really can buy her own dinner!
PRICE BOOSTARD!
I'll call her to see if she's around later this month. If so I might have her stay with me a couple of nights (and help me choose a second girl for one of the nights, since she seemed to enjoy her first experience with girls). A few more pics of her and friends in the photo section.Wait a moment...you are a butterfly!
Didn't you want to see Island girl again? I mean that one which now comes every night over here, sits in my office and asks me when you come back? That one with this huge sad brown eyes, empty, no tears any more? And now - Fon?
Do you have a heart, Pipeman? Do you care about somebody (e.g. about us mongers or Island girl)? Are you human?
Shame on you!
Giotto
Ok, so I'm a price buster(d). Sosumi!
BTW - you misunderstood - it was Island Girl I planned on asking to stay with me a couple of days/nights (but I wonder if Fon would join in?) Now there's a double. Grrrr. I'm logging off now to book my tickets. Fill up the Jacuzzi (in Room 115 this time) - 10am June 22. :)
PS 1Ball - you got a better deal than I did. ;)
Freeler, as a newbie, I found the Lodge wonderful. Giotto took care of everything for me. Since it was my first time in BKK, he even suggested I give him the money for the girls, so as to avoid any embarrassment. So every night, as I bar fined one of his more mature ladies, (he told me the girls over 45 were better at the job), typically at 10.55PM, ( I still don’t know why that time frame was so important to Giotto), I would hand him 6,000 baht if I planned on being with the girl short time, and 9,000 Baht if I planned being with the girl long time. It was a perfect arrangement, only made better by him offering me the services of the in house chauffeur to the airport, who drove a nice red and blue car. Even though there was a meter in the car, I was told it was only used for “non special” guests. So as everyone waved goodbye to me, I hoped into my “chauffeured limo” to the airport, after having paid Giotto 1,000 baht for the use of his personal chauffeur.
He really takes care of his guestsMr. Vice President,
Nice story! And this phantasy :) !!!
The truth is that you were the guy who always kept me awake till 4 am in the morning and then rushed out to Sukhumvit and Nana Parking Lot to pick up one of the over 80 year old left-overs for THB 300.00. That was your maximum daily budget, you remember? This is why you preferred to stay here in Bangkok, you could not afford the THB 500.00 beach road girl in Pattaya.
And I don't want to remember that day when you walked to the airport to save the taxi fare, and one of our staff was carrying your luggage!
Giotto
By the way, some talk of satellite TV problems in Giotto's Lodge. As you can see in this pic, TV was fine in Room 114. Who has time for TV anyway? I thought the girls liked Thai music TV, but they switched it to an American comedy instead.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45766
Traveler1234
06-11-06, 23:51
Traveler1234,
Thanks. How do you know, you never barfined anybody here? LOL.
Giotto
Hey, I'm gay...remember? You're supposed to get some of the performers from the cabaret show lined up for me next time :D
Okay Giotto, time to fill the big three-man jacuzzi with chilled water. ;)Pipeman,
If I put Old Thai Hand, The Traveler and Duniawala in one Jacuzzi we need to get in the Thai army first :) !
And a tank in front of "Hell's Gate".
Giotto
Old Thai Hand
06-12-06, 03:50
Pipeman,
If I put Old Thai Hand, The Traveler and Duniawala in one Jacuzzi we need to get in the Thai army first :) !
And a tank in front of "Hell's Gate".
Giotto
I've been away from here for awhile. I come back and read this? A little weird, G!!! and quite off-putting...placing 2 know-it-alls and an Indian in such a tight space could spell trouble.
Old Thai Hand
06-12-06, 05:41
Giotto,
'May be there is something like a "local price" on Beach Road in Pattaya. But I doubt that something like that exists in general."
Of course, as a seller, you would say that. And probably the newbies, like 1Ball:), who come to stay at your lodge will fall for it.
As a buyer, I know that when you get her home, it doesn't matter where you picked her up. All that counts is value for money: If the gal sucks, she sucks and if she doesn't, fuck her:).
BTW How much do your girls want for ST and LT?
Klong "Cheap Pussy"
I understand that in the spirit of the cultural diversity and theme park nature of Livingstone's, Giotto is digging a Klong and putting a footpath beside it, with dim lighting, which he will people with cut-rate poon-tang from the Nana parking lot. I've heard that he may even go down to Beach Road in Pattaya and up to Khorat Park to entice some bargain-basement trade from there in an effort to service all sectors of the market, including those who like quantity, not quality. Giotto has promised that the rate will not exceed 500 baht, and may only be 200-300 for those seasoned lasses over 40 that some punters favor for their wisdom and experience.
There will be a monthly "Klong Party", at which the girls will have a fashion show of sorts, with a competition for the longest stretch marks, the biggest, saggiest breasts and the least number of teeth. There will be an all-you-can-eat buffet featuring, somtam poo pra-ra, fried bugs and lizards of various sorts. All are welcome.
Aussiebloke453
06-12-06, 06:23
Fleetz,
FLEETZ, FLEETZ, FLEETZ! FLEEEEEEETZ!
BESTARD! BUSTARD! BEASTARD! WHATEVER! RTFF!
Livingstone's Lodge is "Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok" aehhh "Dominiotto's Lodge in Bangkok". Same same but different? No! No difference, same same.
Further information available here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471667
And - please read the "Thai Women" thread, too. Better sell a car or a condo.
DominiottoGiotto,
Thanks for the crystal clear explaination it is a clear as mud! I do like a business man that thinks clearly and is articulate! (-:
With now the benefit of scoping out what obviuosly is a unique lodging establishment I am very tempted to spend 3 nights in spite of what the majority say about Livingstones on Giotto forum! (-:
Who know I might get to met legends like Piper1, 1Ball, Traveller1234 and of course you.
Might see you in July.
Cheers,
Fleetz
I've been away from here for awhile. I come back and read this? A little weird, G!!! and quite off-putting...placing 2 know-it-alls and an Indian in such a tight space could spell trouble.Old Thai Hand,
Who is the Indian :) ?
Giotto
Pipeman,
If I put Old Thai Hand, The Traveler and Duniawala in one Jacuzzi we need to get in the Thai army first :) !
And a tank in front of "Hell's Gate".
Giotto
I must be a tubelight. Your quote is way over my head. The right thing would be me, Fon and the Duck in that Jacuzzi at one time. Yes, Duck was in Saturday night and got to see who was all the fuss about.
Anyway, it was good to see you last saturday night along with all the Maids in a row. Would have given you one more pack of Vit C, but Poster took it and paid handsomely for it too.
Regards the ST and LT for Dr. G's girls, it's up to you. The one I picked up last time I paid only 1K for ST.
The pesky one (see earlier report) who's name I learnt this time is Moo (?) was back again giving me a tits massage again. I don't know why she digs me or is that I am a hansum man? Anyway, had a couple of bitburgers, saw 5 minutes of football and since I was so fucked out from the last three days, and had no juice left, so to speak, pushed Moo over to Krypton, and left for the night. Hope he had a good time.
Old Thai Hand
06-12-06, 09:17
Old Thai Hand,
Who is the Indian :) ?
Giotto
The good-natured Mr. Duni. the 2 know-it-alls are obvious aren't they?
I was so fucked out from the last three days, and had no juice left, so to speak, pushed Moo over to Krypton, and left for the night. Hope he had a good time.
I did (minus some drama) - thanks for the recommendation (at least they were not sloppy seconds!).
Cheers.
I must be a tubelight. Your quote is way over my head. The right thing would be me, Fon and the Duck in that Jacuzzi at one time. Yes, Duck was in Saturday night and got to see who was all the fuss about.
Duniawala, Old Thai Hand, The Traveler,
Let me enlighten you about the roots of my message:
- Old Thai Hand posted something, somwhere here and in the photo section, and The Traveler did not like it.
- The Traveler took time for some investigations and kicked Old Thai Hands ass
- Old Thai Hand tried to explain and wanted to make everybody believe that he was innocent
- Duniawala intervened, because he did not like The Travelers reply, and kicked The Travelers ass
- The Traveler, innocent as always, did not like Duniawalas intervention, and kicked his ass.
- Piper1 read all that, did not understand anything (as usual), and proposed to put all 3 of them into a Jacuzzi with chilled water
- I wrote here about the risks for the security in Livingstone's if I really put all 3 of them into one Jacuzzi, better to get the Thai army in.
I hope that clarifies the issue, and I got it right somehow.
Proposals that we enter the Jacuzzi with 4 people now will be dismissed. I also will NOT READ the complete Samus Aran thread.
OK, I know, it was a bad joke... :) .
Giotto
Member #3173
06-12-06, 10:14
Is this show topless? There is one just opened in Dannok too in the south.
Dr G, appreciate your explanation. However, here's what would happen and no need to call in the army.
1. There is no hot water in Jacuzzi 115. Only chilled water. So all those hankering for the 115 be prepared to have your balls shrink up. Ask 1Ball if you don't believe me.
2. The Traveller will have his laptop out analysing OTH's photographs, while in the jacuzzi. Sometime during this, the battery runs out and he asks me to connect his power cable to the wall plug.
3. I obligingly step out of the jacuzzi and connect the plug to the wall outlet.
4. OTH has had enough and tries to grab the laptop. It falls into the tub.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt.
5. I go out and look for the pesky one. :D
Old Thai Hand
06-12-06, 11:25
Dr G, appreciate your explanation. However, here's what would happen and no need to call in the army.
1. There is no hot water in Jacuzzi 115. Only chilled water. So all those hankering for the 115 be prepared to have your balls shrink up. Ask 1Ball if you don't believe me.
2. The Traveller will have his laptop out analysing OTH's photographs, while in the jacuzzi. Sometime during this, the battery runs out and he asks me to connect his power cable to the wall plug.
3. I obligingly step out of the jacuzzi and connect the plug to the wall outlet.
4. OTH has had enough and tries to grab the laptop. It falls into the tub.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt.
5. I go out and look for the pesky one. :D
LOL. Duni... Can I just escape in the nick of time with just a bit of a shock to leave The Traveler vainly searching for his f-ing exif files as he fries in the jacuzzi?
2. ... the battery runs out and he asks me to connect his power cable to the wall plug.Duniawala,
RAFLMAO.
I did not really understand this part: The "battery" runs out and you connect his "POWER CABLE" to the wall plug?
Outsch!!!
Giotto
Duniawala,
RAFLMAO.
I did not really understand this part: The "battery" runs out and you connect his "POWER CABLE" to the wall plug?
Outsch!!!
Giotto
Dr G
It's the cable which you connect to the battery (on the laptop) on one end and the other end goes to the regular 110/220 V outlet.
Sorry OTH, but the Traveller loves you velly, velly much. :)
Giotto,
Thanks for the crystal clear explaination it is a clear as mud! I do like a business man that thinks clearly and is articulate!Fleetz,
FLEEEEETZ! Mud! LOL.
No mud. It's clear as Klong! All this can only happen to you if you run a business in Bangkok, something like Livingstone's Lodge.
BTW: If you come to the Klong Party don't bring your battery charger, because The Traveler has his long power cable connected to the wall plug, while Old Thai Hand just jumps out of the Jacuzzi, because he found one of 1Balls shrunk balls in there.
Same same but different, or something like that. Anyway. Yes, I lost it.
Giotto
PS:
Who know I might get to met legends like Piper1, 1Ball, Traveller1234 and of course you.Legends??? Since I know them I am like this.
PS:
Are you really sure that you want to come here in July :) ?
Is this show topless? There is one just opened in Dannok too in the south.Member #3173,
Topless? Is that against Thai law?
Giotto
I see that there is quite a lot of talk on prices. so maybe you guys should do a reality check just to see how well priced Thailand really is :
http://www.eros-ny.com/sections/new_york_gfe_escorts.htm
she is on page one, name is Camila.
Now for what this chic is charging for an hour you could get a whole months worth AND she is flat not that I have a problem with this but many would.
Cheers.
Aussiebloke453
06-13-06, 00:25
Fleetz,
FLEEEEETZ! Mud! LOL.
No mud. It's clear as Klong! All this can only happen to you if you run a business in Bangkok, something like Livingstone's Lodge.
BTW: If you come to the Klong Party don't bring your battery charger, because The Traveler has his long power cable connected to the wall plug, while Old Thai Hand just jumps out of the Jacuzzi, because he found one of 1Balls shrunk balls in there.
Same same but different, or something like that. Anyway. Yes, I lost it.
Giotto
PS: Legends? Since I know them I am like this.
PS: Are you really sure that you want to come here in July :) ?Hi Giotto,
Yes you are in the legend class by association!(-:
Just say on another site that the 10th and 11th of July are religious holidays in Thailand (is it just BKK or all of Thailand. Guess what dates I am due in BKK? Yep you guessed it. Before I confirm my booking with Guido can you and or any other member confirm what the mongering scene in likely to be on those days? Both inside the lodge and the Soi 33 area? Are all bars close?
Boy I must have kick a black cat or something when I locked my dates in!
I suppose I could play cards (-:....not!
Cheers and beers,
Fleetz
PS:
Are you really sure that you want to come here in July :) ?
Why not come in july? I am planning on being there....
A little rain never hurt anyone!
35 degrees celsius and 100% humidity. gotta love it.
by the way, Giotto, I failed to mention in our exchange of PMs, my twin brother is coming with me this trip.
by the way, Giotto, I failed to mention in our exchange of PMs, my twin brother is coming with me this trip.Mr. Vice President,
Please not 2 of you!
Giotto
PS: Is is same you, or is he human?
Mr. Vice President,
Please not 2 of you!
Giotto
PS: Is is same you, or is he human?
Compared to him, I AM A SAINT!
All,
Livingstone's Lodge is for sale. Please send your quotes per PM, if you are interested.
I am too old for 2 1Balls.
Giotto
PS: Mr. Vice President, Congratulations, you discovered the HTML tag "size"! In your age - impressive!
All,
Livingstone's Lodge is for sale. Please send your quotes per PM, if you are interested.
I am too old for 2 1Balls.
Giotto
PS: Mr. Vice President, Congratulations, you discovered the HTML tag "size"! In your age - impressive!
(actually mr Chairman, I only use it when I quote you, after you have used the tag size. I can then follow along what you did.)
My twin, BTW, calls himself 2balls. So you should be saying you are too old for 3balls, not 2 1balls.
4. I think there's a lot to be said for finding one good girl and sticking with her. I came to BKK intending to butterfly as much as possible...and while I did get my fair share in, the best was the one I stuck with all throughout.
5. If you respect the ladies, they'll respect you. Not all of them are hardened con-artists waiting to separate you from your money. If you find a good one, treat her right. It'll be good for you and for your fellow monger who comes after you as well.Azure Knight,
Excellent report in the Bangkok thread, and I like those conclusions, too. After years of living in Thailand I still share this opinion with you.
We are in the middle of a money discussion here in this thread. May be we should better talk about respect and our overall expectations reg. the experience we want to "buy" from those ladies.
I hope, that I will never reach the point, that I negotiate prices for services, positions and techniques with a woman I just know for 10 min. . And if I should one day come in the faces of girls seeing on their faces how disgusted and humiliated they feel - then please come and shoot a bullet in my head.
Giotto
Klong "Cheap Pussy"
I understand that in the spirit of the cultural diversity and theme park nature of Livingstone's, Giotto is digging a Klong and putting a footpath beside it, with dim lighting, which he will people with cut-rate poon-tang from the Nana parking lot. I've heard that he may even go down to Beach Road in Pattaya and up to Khorat Park to entice some bargain-basement trade from there in an effort to service all sectors of the market, including those who like quantity, not quality. Giotto has promised that the rate will not exceed 500 baht, and may only be 200-300 for those seasoned lasses over 40 that some punters favor for their wisdom and experience.
There will be a monthly "Klong Party", at which the girls will have a fashion show of sorts, with a competition for the longest stretch marks, the biggest, saggiest breasts and the least number of teeth. There will be an all-you-can-eat buffet featuring, somtam poo pra-ra, fried bugs and lizards of various sorts. All are welcome.Old Thai Hand,
now you published my top secret plans! I shouldn't have told you about that!
Giotto
BTW - you misunderstood - it was Island Girl I planned on asking to stay with me a couple of days/nights (but I wonder if Fon would join in?) Piper1,
Need the latest news of Island Girl? And - I can also talk to both, if you want :) ?
Giotto
Leave it to the good Dr. G to guide this BESTARD ROOKARD, things change...maybe I can impersonate the Duck's famous sumo customer? Maybe even get her to accept Yen?Pool Guy,
She is not back yet. Let's wait - and take the necessary steps short time before you come back.
Giotto
PosterLion
06-13-06, 17:53
Bargaining...
The four rules of successful bargaining:
Rule 1) Know the local price
Rule 2) Don't ever pay more than the local price
Rule 3) Test the downside of the local price (not the upside:()
Rule 4) If you don't like the local price, fuck 'em and spend your cash elsewhere
1) Knowing the local price is indeed important. The girl I've been with lately accepts 3,000 baht as a minimun offer on most nights, gets 5,000 Baht on many nights, and considers herself semi-lucky when the customer pays out 10,000 Baht. She is a Spazzos/Club 87 girl and 3,000 Baht is a generally acceptable local price if you are a decent negotiator.
2) I may pay a little more than the local price tomorrow as I plan to buy her a new mobile phone because her old one is not in the best of condition. Not to worry! She's already told me that a 3,200 Baht Sony Ericsson with FM radio will be more than sufficient.
3) I've never paid more than the local price for her as I did indeed give her 3,000 Baht on one occasion. Also, I tested and am still testing the downside of the local price. At last calculation I've been paying 890 Baht per session.
4) I'm not going anywhere soon. This girl may end up being my third Thai girlfriend! The last three sessions have actually been one 72 hour session! :)
Price per session update:
I've now had 11 sessions with the (new) girl. Since my last report, total outlays of an additional 1,115 Baht have been rendered.
350 - food
150 - magazine
120 - food
135 - magazine
360 - food
So . . .
5,500 + 1,620 + 1,115 = 8,235 / 11 (or my charm) = 749 Baht per session.
If I add in the new mobile phone I'm looking at:
8,235 + 3,200 = 11,435 / 11 (or my charm) = 1,040 Baht per session, underpaying the local price by a mere 1,960 Baht!
Viola!
poster
PosterLion
06-14-06, 00:15
Err . . .
Um . . .
I didn't have this data before the last update. This is session 12 as I am typing; she is sleeping now.
Paid 360 Baht for food at four in the morning on Soi 11. It was dinner for four as she was accompanied by two lovely ladies. They're all friends and had finished making the rounds from Conrad to Erawan to Sanook bar (which was closed).
Average cost recalc:
5,500 + 1,620 + 1,115 + 360 = 8,475 / 12 (or my charm) = 716 Baht per session.
The average will rise after I wake up and go on the mobile phone quest. Shrug . . . And so ? ? ? :)
poster
Average cost recalc:
5,500 + 1,620 + 1,115 + 360 = 8,475 / 12 (or my charm) = 716 Baht per session.PosterLion,
The average is still higher than THB 500.00 . Overpayer :) !
Giotto
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Just say on another site that the 10th and 11th of July are religious holidays in Thailand (is it just BKK or all of Thailand. Fleetz,
The 10th is not an official holiday. For the 11th: not sure whether the bars are closed or not, but most likely Livingstone's is anyway open that day because of the restaurants, and girls will be in the Sports Lounge.
I will keep you informed when I have some more information.
Giotto
Piper1,
Need the latest news of Island Girl? And - I can also talk to both, if you want :) ?
Giotto
Giotto - Tell me all! Is Island Girl cheating on me? Show me the photos.
Poster,
Since when did you have money to spend:D?
BTW Who's Viola?
Your fourth gf,
Another flower for
Your morning sunrise?
Regards,
Freeler the Poet
Paid 360 Baht for food at four in the morning on Soi 11. It was dinner for four as she was accompanied by two lovely ladies. They're all friends and had finished making the rounds from Conrad to Erawan to Sanook bar (which was closed).
Average cost recalc:
5,500 + 1,620 + 1,115 + 360 = 8,475 / 12 (or my charm) = 716 Baht per session.
The average will rise after I wake up and go on the mobile phone quest. Shrug . . . And so ? ? ? :)
Ah, signs of TRUE LOVE. :)
Her friends join both of you for social stuff. She's sleeping comfortably in your bed. And, not asking for money. You're spending time and gifts. And, counting every baht and satang spent like a true gentleman. :p
Either that or she "loves you looong time..." :D
Lucky BESTARD!
Seeko
Giotto - Tell me all! Is Island Girl cheating on me? Show me the photos.
For TG's, it's not considered cheating. It's servicing clients. :o
Heck, they lie without knowing that they are lying and won't admit to it. Thus, she could be "cheating" without knowing that she's "cheating" and won't admit to it. ;)
If you want fantasy, believe that she's faithful to you.
If you want reality, assume that she's out with other men, but will be there for you when you return to LOS.
Uhm, hmmm, that last half is sort of a fantasy/wishing thinking. Ah, what the heck, believe what you want...
Seeko
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she is on page one, name is Camila.
Buzz00,
hmmm, price starts with US$ 1,200.00 per hour, how is the local price in New York?
May be that's cheap... :) !
Freeler, I go, you pay! Deal?
Giotto
G,
I posted that as she is outta her mind and so is the price... thats for an hour.
I mean what could you get for $1200.- in BKK ? a months worth of sexual smorgasbord.
The going price for most of the girls on that site is between $250/300 an
hour. This Camila creature really does think her labia is worth some astronomical
sum of money. There are others that start at $500.- an hour.
I will be in NYC for a weeks work and I am sure not going to pay that kinda
money for one hour. I will save it for Livingstones, the tigers and the island types.
I guess it will definitely be poontang prison ala USA.
Cheers
G,
I posted that as she is outta her mind and so is the price... thats for an hour.
I mean what could you get for $1200.- in BKK ? a months worth of sexual smorgasbord....
This is just too ridiculous to read on.
Well Tiger the choice is yours you don't have to read anything you don't want to - we supposedly live in a world where we can make choices and you can choose to read what I write or not. Very simple.
That comment though is a waste of bandwidth.
Cheers
That comment though is a waste of bandwidth.Buzz00, Tiger1,
We are having fun here on this thread. I hope that is OK for both of you. Then we all can go ahead to waste bandwidth, without taking things too serious.
The important question is: Will Freeler pay for my trip to New York and that one hour with this lady?
Giotto
The important question is: Will Freeler pay for my trip to New York and that one hour with this lady?
Giotto
Giotto, the answer to your question is a resounding NO.
However, if you ask nicely, he might give you a bus ticket to Korat, and a turn on his new found love!
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