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Basketcase

08-10-08, 20:50

Hi Breadman,

I caveat what I say here as I did before that I am a transactional services punter. I do not get hung up about wringing the last 10 seconds of a 30 minutes session or feeling that I need to have 10-15 minutes of idle banter to get to the know a girl before I decide if she is good enough to go to the room with. I know I will get flamed by saying that as one should interview the girl and get her vibe and feel to see if she would be a good girl in the zimmer.

LBC, im going to assume you've been left out of this type of service reading your comment above.

Yes at VV and many other venues I do not need a 2 hour warm up with the girl for me to realise that I want to take her to the room. I kind of feel its stringing the girl along.

I've gotten this service from girls at Oase, Goldentime and Finca.

I can only assume that you are far more talkative or charming or handsome than I. Please correct me if I am assuming incorrectly. I am mono syllabillic in my vocabulary and repetoire of repartee. I do not at all claim to have charm or drop dead handsome looks. I am an average person from the Isles, speak only English, older than most of the girls, overweight and too much hair in the wrong places and not enough hair in the right places. I do not have an interesting background. It is rather boring. I know this.

With this setting the scene you can expect to have not much in the way of conversation from me or wit to carry on a conversation with a girl.

Mainly when its slow and the potential for her finding customers is slim. She'd rather keep you company...and when your ready for another pop, she'll be the one you choose. Her sitting with you can range anywhere from 10 minutes to an hour...hardly ever more than that since by that time ive worked up to another go around. She's claiming your wallet and any other girls who try to steal your business will get her wrath.

I have never sat for a entire hour with a girl in a FKK unless I was paying for it except for one instance. The one time I did sit for 3 hours with a girl I was with another crew member who was keeping me company as I did not want to leave her and he could not leave as he was waiting for me to leave as he was driving me. I really enjoyed chatting to her about all sorts of topics. I think we really clicked.

I have sat and had dinner with girls many times but once again - it was pretty much eat and no lingering over idle conversation unless it was leading to a session in the zimmer.

So with clubs with lots of customers, yes...you'll find it hard to find girls that will sit and chat. With clubs like Goldentime and Oase who have lots of customers and tons of girls, the girl feels it necessary to keep up the hunt.

I agree. I have many girls come to chat and I am usually up front to tell them that if I am interested or not. I would feel very bad to chat with a girl for ages and then after 30 minutes say I do not wish to go to the room. I can tell them in less than 30 seconds that I am up for a session with them or not so that can move on to a customer that is ready and willing or to wait with me and get acquainted.

I totally understand that time is money for these girls. Even when my A list girls come over to chat I remind them that I am happy to chat but if they want to earn money that they should move on as I am resting. I would hope to have the same from my customers if I am wasting my time with them selling something that they inherently do not want. I do not want to be known as person who leads girls on in thinking that I am taking them for a session when I have absolutely no intention.

If she sits too long with one guy, another girl might come by to get his attention. Your money's no good to her if you take off with another.

Agreed.

So is this attention good for the customer? Depends on if you want to take the girl to the room or not. Waste her time talking...and then grabbing a hotty walking by won't be taken lightly.

This is precisely the situation that I want to avoid.

Problem with this activity is it limits who you can approach. Sorta like Samya's problem with having a table full of girls sitting around chatting. Makes it hard to make a move.

Yes, I will not approach a girl if she is sitting with a punter chatting. Even if she is sitting with him for hours.

One time I wanted to ask Oona of Lebanon at Oase for a session as I was desperate for it with her. She had been talking to a young buck for hours that I thought he was her consort for the night. It got to the stage that I thought I had nothing to lose by asking.

I made an apologetic interruption of Oona and the guy and said that I was going to be quick all I was going to say was she working next night at Oase and I would try again if she was not busy. To my surprise she said she was available for a session right now and the young guy said please do take her for a session as he was only chatting to her as he nothing else to do and she was happy to talk to him. I kicked myself that I could have sessioned with her hours ago and was politely waiting for her to move on.

So is this then really a GFE service? Only if your on the receiving end of the girls attention.

Yes, so right.

Breadman

08-10-08, 21:12

I can only assume that you are far more talkative or charming or handsome than I. Please correct me if I am assuming incorrectly. I am mono syllabillic in my vocabulary and repetoire of repartee. I do not at all claim to have charm or drop dead handsome looks. I am an average person from the Isles, speak only English, older than most of the girls, overweight and too much hair in the wrong places and not enough hair in the right places.

Me...just your average looking guy who doesn't speak more than a word or two (well, maybe three) of german. Always helps to give the girls a big smile (and not a lecherous one), if you show that your having a great time in the club she'll feel it easier to approach...or if your doing the approaching. Even in the room I usually don't push things, often throw in a joke or two...its amazing how a little effort to get one girl to smile and relax (remember, this isnt an easy job for them) and all her friends start coming over.

Give them the impression that you stalk little girls outside the club and they'll all stay away in droves. Look around the club and try to spot the guys who might be giving off the wrong vibes...then don't do that.

Basketcase

08-10-08, 21:27

LBC, im going to assume you've been left out of this type of service reading your comment above. I've gotten this service from girls at Oase, Goldentime and Finca. Mainly when its slow and the potential for her finding customers is slim. She'd rather keep you company...and when your ready for another pop, she'll be the one you choose. Her sitting with you can range anywhere from 10 minutes to an hour.

Hi Breadman,

Sorry I just remembered another time when I spent a whole hour with a girl prior to going to the room when it was the peak busy time around 9pm. She could not get key for a room so we just hung out in the garden or in the sauna area sitting on the loungers there or wandered the building arm in arm. She would check for a key when we went past the reception desk and she would get told no keys and we kept on waiting.

Does that count as spending time with a girl before taking to a room and availing of the service whereby a punter can monopolise a girl for more than the paid for time?

Eventually we did get a key and we went to the room. She was in demand as guys would be eyeing her up with me or come over to say a few words and one punter even SMS her to say why was she sitting around with a punter and not coming to him. I wanted to say we are waiting for a room!!!

I even suggested to do the session in the garden in the communal tent or even in the kino but she said she knew I liked a room and we would hold out for one.

We kissed and cuddled as we made our rounds.

She said that she liked being with me as I was kind and gentle. To me she also did some of my favourite sexual acts - the dirty minx. She said she would consider the others. Another one that has gone away. Big sigh and a tear comes to my eye when I remember her good looks her touch on my body and her tongue lightly licking my nipples as her hands wander up and down my chest. She is so cute. I loved looking into her blue eyes and running my hand through her dark hair.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Cynical

08-10-08, 21:28

Dear Mongers,

I see here a lot of confusion out of the GFE reference.

I don't consider GFE that a girl will waste 2 hrs of her time with you. I consider it that you are able to reach a level of intimacy beyond the simple SP - Monger typical relationship.

Let's see some definitions:
From Urban Dictionary:

1. gfe
Girl Friend Experience.
Affection oriented escort.

3. GFE
Girl friend experience
That prostitue made it feel like she was your girlfriend

From http://www.sexwork.com/Intimacy/GFE.html:
Girl Friend Experience - Short definition
What it means to each person is a little different, but to most guys it means a provider that makes the experience seem unrushed, enjoyable, fun, relaxing and more like a "real date than a quick commercial encounter. In practice, though, it seems to depend on chemistry, personality and mutual expectations, as YMMV ("your mileage may vary") for both the provider and client. A general description might be: a session that facilitates the experience, mutual cuddling/foreplay, mutual kissing, mutual oral sex (covered or uncovered--depending), and involves either the illusion or reality of passion on the part of the provider. Most of all its about being a sincere mutually desired human interaction. It is the opposite of the women being treated like a sex toy and the man an ATM machine.

In summary, when I mean GFE I am not talking of wasting time hanging out before or after but of a deeper experience than the typical. And I do get a lot more of this at the Villa than anywhere else I've been. But I've gotten it at Oase and Artemis and in spain and Czech republic too.

The first time I experienced it was actually at the Blue Lagoon in Brussels with a couple of Brazillians that used to work there.

Breadman

08-10-08, 22:59

Sorry, waiting for a room doesn't count.

Basketcase

08-10-08, 23:08

Sorry, waiting for a room doesn't count.

Like a said Breadman, you are are far more charming and/or better looking than I as I cannot in any way match your prowess with the pay for play ladies to monopolise their time pre-session.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Jimmy Boy 99

08-11-08, 10:10

It would be most useful to know which girls provided the lousy service, to compare notes and maybe avoid them in the future :-)

I will ask him the next time I talk to him.

Hessen Bub

08-11-08, 10:42

Sorry, waiting for a room doesn't count.

Yep. It never did. Not in old Atlantis and not in other clubs. If the club does not provide enough rooms it is bad for the girls, sometimes good for the guys. ;-)

HB

Basketcase

08-11-08, 20:59

Reply to Cynical:

It is true, not every club is for every mood. I myself sometimes feel in the Artemis quick transaction / wait half an hour for the room mood, but most of the time I am more of a VV kind of guy.You have me at a disadvantage as I have not been to Artemis in Berlin. I like Golden Time as I like the girl line up there and an at times tolerate the long room waits, that is, if I can actually get the girl that I would like to session with. Sometimes I just miss out on the girls I want as the ijsberen to girl ratio favours the girls in that girls are outnumbered by horny ijsberen.

I'm gonna be there next the weekend of the 30th August, wanna come along? Yes I would like to come along. Can you get me there?

I'll teach you the tricks of enjoying the Villa :-) ! What tricks did you not teach me last time we met? You were real helpful when I last met you there.

Regards

Londonbasketcase

Carlos Primeros

08-12-08, 21:53

Cynical - your photos are a piece of art - are you a professional photographer?

Well done and thank you. How did you convince the girls to permit you to take the photos?

Carlos

GandJim

08-12-08, 22:07

Cynical - your photos are a piece of art - are you a professional photographer???

Well done and thank you. How did you convince the girls to permit you to take the photos???

Carlos
Cynical is the photographer for VV's Blog. There has been some concerns about photos being taken at VV (from customers for discretion and privacy reasons). Just in case, their policy regarding photos taken by Cynical seems now to be as follows:

"No photography in public areas in opening hours, either by customers or staff.

Ofcourse we will keep bringing you great photos on the blog, but these will be made off-hours or in rooms."

Jim

Cynical

08-13-08, 00:19

Cynical - your photos are a piece of art - are you a professional photographer???

Well done and thank you. How did you convince the girls to permit you to take the photos???

CarlosThanks a lot! As asid here, I make photos for Villa's blog, though it started as an accident. I was lugging my photography equipment around and went to visit the Villa for the 2nd or 3rd time as a customer, and since it didn't fit in the locker asked them to keep it in the office. The owner, seeing I was a photographer asked me to make him a shot for the poker night, and aI've been making photos for them ever since.

You can see me on flickr also, look for a user called "iamcynical".

I do photography for the art of it, though I usually sell more stock photography for books, magazines and movies than assignment photography like at the Villa. I only do it there 'cause it is great fun - I get to join two of the things I like most - mongering and photography.

Here are some more photos for your viewing pleasure:

(Valeska is unbelievable, BTW)

Almodóvar

08-13-08, 03:21

After some discussion with my two traveling companions, we decided to choose Villa Vertigo over Golden Time since our arrival time was somewhat late (around 19:00) and we figured Golden Time would be packed to the point that we'd be lucky to get a parking space or a locker. The parking lot at Villa Vertigo was roughly two-thirds full when we arrived. The patio grill had just started serving, the DJ was getting into his routine, and we started to roam the premises to inspect the forty-five women the nice lady at the front desk had said were there ready for us. I found roughly six girls with looks that stirred my loins enough that I'd want to approach them.

The first girl I talked to was German with shoulder length straight blonde hair. She had a voluptuous build that was mostly covered with a top, shorts, and knee high black boots. She was very friendly and warm in conversation right up to the point when I ask if she'd like to go to a room. At which point she claimed that her services included only a massage and no sex. I can't remember the German word she used for sex. I can't remember her name. I do remember taking out my top hat, cane, and soft shoes and dancing a little dance away from her.

The second girl was Romanian with a pretty smile, beautiful eyes, and a great ass who called herself Alicia. We had a pleasant athletic one hour session with kissing and lots positions including one of my favorites which she initiated: reverse cowgirl. You've got to love a girl with sexual initiative and energy. She didn't appear to tire. We didn't talk much. I'd definitely do her again.

The third girl I approached (at around 23:30) was tall and very thin and wore nothing but a waist wrap. This was a strong selling point for me since most of the girls were covered including the other tall thin girl she beat out in my mind. She said her name was Pamela and that she was part Spanish and Arab and had spent most of her life in Germany. She too seemed to have lots of energy, apparently supplied by Redbull, Vodka/Fanta, and cigarettes. We took room number 8, one level up, with the tall backed, white leather couch, and the full length mirror on rollers. We banged on the bed in many positions. Then she bend over, holding the sides of the mirror, with knees slightly bend yet on her toes. That was cool. Then we moved to the couch, where she got wetter and the action got even hotter. Maybe it was that squeaky sound the leather makes. Who knows. It was a memorable one hour session. I'd definitely do her again.

So Villa Vertigo stays on the list as a place to visit in NRW for the energetic girls and great furniture.

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Jackyo

08-13-08, 18:36

So Villa Vertigo stays on the list as a place to visit in NRW for the energetic girls and great furniture.
The girls and the furniture! :)

Ortos

08-13-08, 22:53

Here are some more photos for your viewing pleasure:

Thanks, Cynic, for sharing some photos. However --and I know Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder, etc., but: Mann, those girls are not exactly top shelf material looks-wise, ja? I mean: Is this the B-team or what? Is this the best looking selection of girls you can mustre from this club? If so...well, you can connect the dots...

Ortos

Cynical

08-13-08, 23:01

Thanks, Cynic, for sharing some photos. However --and I know Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder, etc., but: Mann, those girls are not exactly top shelf material looks-wise, ja? I mean: Is this the B-team or what? Is this the best looking selection of girls you can mustre from this club? If so...well, you can connect the dots...

OrtosI will process a few more, see the previous post, they were more recent pictures.

The lineup has been improving week by week. I only go to the villa once a month, and I can really tell the difference. It is a natural cycle, as more men come, the club becomes more viable for better girls and the selection improves, which makes more men come, and so on.!

All photos I upload are with consent, and some of the prettiest girls don't consent :-)

Big30

08-13-08, 23:50

Thanks, Cynic, for sharing some photos. However --and I know Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder, etc., but: Mann, those girls are not exactly top shelf material looks-wise, ja? I mean: Is this the B-team or what? Is this the best looking selection of girls you can mustre from this club? If so...well, you can connect the dots...

Ortos

Then now look for the A-team!

Jessica (http://blog.villavertigo.de/?p=297)
Joy (http://blog.villavertigo.de/?p=289)
Sonja (http://blog.villavertigo.de/?p=286)
Lorena (http://blog.villavertigo.de/?p=281)

Just visit VV and draw your conclusions!!

Kind regards,
Big30

Breadman

08-14-08, 00:04

Cynical - your photos are a piece of art - are you a professional photographer?

One vote for a piece of art...one vote for some pretty low quality shots. The pic Alexandra with VV in the background...decent but we could have used a bit more butt/leg shot...and having the building in the background somewhat in focus would help. And Lucy taking off the top...just doesn't seem like a pose that would get someone into a club to see the girl. You seem forget, alot of people are drawn to the lower half of the girls...and getting too close for a photo doesn't do the girl justice.

But im guessing with your admission of being more of a stock photographer, its probably out of your normal area of expertise dealing with female models. You might want to look towards Samya's website for pointers.

Cynical

08-14-08, 01:15

One vote for a piece of art. One vote for some pretty low quality shots. The pic Alexandra with VV in the background. Decent but we could have used a bit more butt/leg shot. And having the building in the background somewhat in focus would help. And Lucy taking off the top. Just doesn't seem like a pose that would get someone into a club to see the girl. You seem forget, alot of people are drawn to the lower half of the girls. And getting too close for a photo doesn't do the girl justice.

But I'm guessing with your admission of being more of a stock photographer, its probably out of your normal area of expertise dealing with female models. You might want to look towards Samya's website for pointers. You know, I try to make sexy or interesting shots, not in-your-face-porn Now that is a question of style. The last series have been getting more of the girls in the frame, but don't expect me to change my style too much.

Dedalus

08-14-08, 11:36

So Villa Vertigo stays on the list as a place to visit in NRW for the energetic girls and great furniture.

What's up, Pedro?

So you boys did the VV route, eh? Thanks for your take on the place. I'm still waiting for a few details regarding that photo incident to be resolved before I head back out that way, but I'm glad you guys had a good time.

Also not too many girls there touch my fancy and the few that did are over at GT right now.

Drop me a line when you make your next visit.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Breadman

08-14-08, 20:17

So Villa Vertigo stays on the list as a place to visit in NRW for the energetic girls and great furniture.

You know, I try to make sexy or interesting shots, not in-your-face-porn Now that is a question of style. The last series have been getting more of the girls in the frame, but don't expect me to change my style too much.

Maybe you could take a few candid shots of the barka lounger for Almodovar.

And as for 'getting more of the girls in the frame'...shouldn't have that been your goal all along? Since before the VV thread, all we've been seeing is photo's of the club itself. Reports abound at how great the facilities are...wouldn't the next progression in promotion be the girls? Erotic photo's bring attention to a club...and by erotic I don't mean porn style.

As for 'style'...maybe i'll show up with a spare tire and ask VV's management to keep it behind the desk since it won't fit in the locker. Then the owner just might ask me to work on his Mercedes...mind you, I've got no mechanical skill whatsoever, but im sure I can find the engine. Any idea how to pop the trunk to get to it?

Dedalus

08-14-08, 21:20

Maybe you could take a few candid shots of the barka lounger for Almodovar.

And as for 'getting more of the girls in the frame'...shouldn't have that been your goal all along? Since before the VV thread, all we've been seeing is photo's of the club itself. Reports abound at how great the facilities are...wouldn't the next progression in promotion be the girls? Erotic photo's bring attention to a club...and by erotic I don't mean porn style.

As for 'style'...maybe i'll show up with a spare tire and ask VV's management to keep it behind the desk since it won't fit in the locker. Then the owner just might ask me to work on his Mercedes...mind you, I've got no mechanical skill whatsoever, but im sure I can find the engine. Any idea how to pop the trunk to get to it?

Hey Bread,

The first line of your post reminds me of that old Richard Pryor line when he goes to the Playboy Bunny's apartment and is so taken with the surroundings, and says, "If I don't get the pussy, then I can fuck this couch."

Cheers,

Dedalus

Vito Corleone

08-15-08, 00:28

What's up, Pedro?

So you boys did the VV route, eh? Thanks for your take on the place. I'm still waiting for a few details regarding that photo incident to be resolved before I head back out that way, but I'm glad you guys had a good time.

Also not too many girls there touch my fancy and the few that did are over at GT right now.

Drop me a line when you make your next visit.

Cheers,

Dedalus
Wassup Deda,

I decided to stay in Frankfurt due to Pedro's delay & enjoyed my time @ Palace. We hooked up @ World on Sat & we both had earth shattering sessions with Lilly.

I am also waiting for the "photo" incident to be settled before V V enters my itinerary.

Dedalus

08-15-08, 11:42

Wassup Deda,

I decided to stay in Frankfurt due to Pedro's delay & enjoyed my time @ Palace. We hooked up @ World on Sat & we both had earth shattering sessions with Lilly.

I am also waiting for the "photo" incident to be settled before V V enters my itinerary.

Hey Man,

Glad you met Lily. She's a winner, no doubt.

Looking forward to hearing a round-up summary for your adventures.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Basketcase

08-15-08, 20:56

Hi Pedro Almodóvar,

Sorry our schedules did not coincide in NRW for a rendezvous. Maybe next time we can time our dates better and go cruising. I do envy your little side trip that you made. I like your class.

After some discussion with my two traveling companions, we decided to choose Villa Vertigo over Golden Time since our arrival time was somewhat late (around 19:00) and we figured Golden Time would be packed to the point that we'd be lucky to get a parking space or a locker.

I might have argued the toss in favour of Golden Time, but in the end you were probably right to check out the Villa Vertigo to see the story.

The parking lot at Villa Vertigo was roughly two-thirds full when we arrived.

Interesting observation on the carpark capacity.

The patio grill had just started serving, the DJ was getting into his routine, and we started to roam the premises to inspect the forty-five women the nice lady at the front desk had said were there ready for us.

The VV BBQ is pretty good and there always seemed to be plenty there. No worry about it all running out or only available for a limited time like at Golden Time. Then there is the buffet that always seems to have something well into the night.

The DJ is from Dusseldorf and he actually stays the night in the club spinning tunes for the girls staying there after the customer leave into the night.

45 women seems like a lot for VV. I know others have said that the working population at VV can be quite good and there are many women, but I can only work off my experiences. I have never seen that many in all the times I have been to VV. Well done to hit an extensive line up.

The first girl I talked to was German with shoulder length straight blonde hair. She had a voluptuous build that was mostly covered with a top, shorts, and knee high black boots. She was very friendly and warm in conversation right up to the point when I ask if she'd like to go to a room. At which point she claimed that her services included only a massage and no sex.

This imperical evidence that such a striking German blond with a voluptuous look backs up the odd comment that there does not appear to be any sex going on at VV. What a waste of a friendly lady dressed in a tiny top, short shorts and "fuck me" knee high boots.

Maybe you ended up talking to the in house masseur and not one of the working girls so to speak?

The third girl I approached (at around 23:30) was tall and very thin and wore nothing but a waist wrap. This was a strong selling point for me since most of the girls were covered including the other tall thin girl she beat out in my mind. She said her name was Pamela and that she was part Spanish and Arab and had spent most of her life in Germany.

Oh good, you did get some sex in the end.

What is another interesting observation that I have never seen at VV is a woman going topless like you see at Golden Time. I like a topless woman and its even better when she is stark bollock naked like in the Hessen FKKs.

The fact that your Arab Spanish mix girl had just the waist wrap and had her muschi on display as well makes me put in VV into my next scheduled stop in NRW. That makes this girl FKK material. Yay.

So Villa Vertigo stays on the list as a place to visit in NRW for the energetic girls and great furniture.

Yes, the furniture at VV is good, but the couches in the bar area of the extension are a tad small for sleeping or lying down on. This is why the kino was good for a nap if you want to be in the dark. Just block out the lesbian porn (as there is no real fucking going on) and close your eyes sleepy head.

There are a several couches in the main room where you can lie down but they are more conducive for customers and girls to mingle and sit and chat.

Do you have an update on the work being done to the kino turning it into more locker room space? How far has the work been completed and are there any plans to create a kino elsewhere in the facilities.

VV for me loses points for not having a kino just like Planet Happy Garden does. I like going to the movies.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Beffen1

08-15-08, 21:56

I will process a few more, see the previous post, they were more recent pictures.

The lineup has been improving week by week. I only go to the villa once a month, and I can really tell the difference. It is a natural cycle, as more men come, the club becomes more viable for better girls and the selection improves, which makes more men come, and so on.!

All photos I upload are with consent, and some of the prettiest girls don't consent :-)

Better hope these girls don't read this message board- it might hurt their feelings.

Big30

08-16-08, 02:09

45 women seems like a lot for VV. I know others have said that the working population at VV can be quite good and there are many women, but I can only work off my experiences. I have never seen that many in all the times I have been to VV. Well done to hit an extensive line up.

Do you have an update on the work being done to the kino turning it into more locker room space? How far has the work been completed and are there any plans to create a kino elsewhere in the facilities.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

- Friday night there were 58 girls in the Villa. I was more than impressed by the quality and the quantity of the line-up!
- I have seen many times more than 45 girls in the Villa. Only last week already more than 3 times :-).
- The work for the new locker room has been completed and it looks nice and ... BIG!
- For a picture of some of the girls you will find now in the Villa see,
http://www.blog.villavertigo.de/
- 23-08 there will be a party in the Villa, "Sexy Bullentanz 23.08. @ Villa Vertigo ab 22.00 Uhr bis 04.00 Uhr morgens!"

Sexy Bullentanz 23.08 (http://blog.villavertigo.de/?p=310)

Kind regards,
Big30

Sapper

08-18-08, 20:47

Is anyone aware if a new kino facility will be introduced at VV. I believe that the old kino is now an additional locker room. If the management read these sites they should be aware that a kino is an integral part of the experience, in my humble opinion.

Sky Ryder

08-19-08, 09:38

I had asked and received some recommendations from one of the more prolific posters on this forum and visited a small neighborhood FKK yesterday afternoon. I decided that I wanted to see one other place before finding a hotel for the evening. I choose VV and am I glad I did. I will say this without GPS there is no way I would have found it and even then my GPS didn't have the house address. The door was opened before I even rang the bell and an attractive young lady welcomed me in and took the entry fee. She showed me the locker room and said she would arrange a tour since it was my first time. I really wished she was on the program. I wonder why it is you always want the ones "off limits"?
Anyway I really liked the facility, the only down side was it had just rained and no one was sitting outside.
I was introduced to Sara, a curvy young lass of Turkish heritage and did she look great in tight shorts, plunging top and the heels. I wanted to take her during the tour, but reminded myself to look around first.
While I was showering another gentleman engaged Sara in conversation and I got something to drink and took in the sights. One that really caught my eye was a tall thin dark haired girl in a black mini dress and black stockings, a possibility. Sara was free and I chatted with her for a while, and then she suggested we get something to eat at the BBQ. We ate and chatted and I enjoyed her company. At one point she said that she has limits and I asked what they were. She doesn't do anal ( which is a shame with an ass like hers) and doesn't like COF. She also said that she was really surprised that "clients" actually have websites where they talk about the girls and if a girl gets a bad reputation she could lose a lot of clients and money. I played dumb and told her that I thought that most men would take it with a grain of salt and that if a lady was fair with the men I was sure she would benefit from the good reports. She suggested we go to a room, I asked about one of the tents, she it was too cold. No problem, we went upstairs and she showed me the mirror on wheels, what a grand idea! She was attentive and started slowly and the passion built. It was my second session of the day, so I needed a little time and she provided foreplay. I was really surprised when she asked me to perform DATY and she seemed to enjoy it. On goes the cover, she mounts up and off to the races, I got her on all fours and enjoyed the view of her cute ass as I finished. Afterwards, I remember thinking I wasn't able to get very deep, when I realized that what I thought was her trying to add to the experience was really her putting her fingers in a position that limited my penetration. I smiled inside as I knew she was one sly little lady. I enjoyed my time with her. As I was reading the paper trying to decide whether to stay or leave, the manager asked me if I was enjoying my stay and I told him, "very much so". I asked if he could recommend a hotel in the area and he said I could stay at VV. I asked how much and he said 150E and that included breakfast at 11:00. I could even have a girl stay all night for 500E. I thought about it, but decided it was too rich for my blood.
I really wanted to do the little brunette, but needed sometime to recover and wasn't sure I was up to another session. She didn't really seem interested, but I think that most of the girls wait to be approached and then turn on the charm. Just as I was thinking about looking for her, this blond vision in a short black dress and silver pumps walks by and smiles. I was smitten by her long legs and what looked like a perfect ass, and those legs went on for days. Her name is Carmen and she only arrived at 9:00pm. She said she only works a couple of times a week and has a day job in the city. I asked her how they felt about a 4 hour shift and she said that they understood. We chatted a while and I asked her about the the best places to have sex in the house. Without hesitation, she pointed to a balcony and said that she loved getting it from behind on that balcony. Well that was enough for me and off we went. In the room, she started a BBBJ, like she was afraid there wasn't going to be another time. She took a break and told me she loved giving head and I agreed that I loved having her give it to me. She has a toungue stud and uses it well. I didn't want to miss a chance on the balcony, so Lil' Sky suited up and we went outside, it was a beautiful view, her perfect tanned ass, legs spread, high heels and that please fuck me hard look....and oh yeah the moon was out. We went at it me robustly and she was not shy about asking for whatever intensity she desired. She implored not to stop until she finished and I granted her request. I was drained, we chatted for a few minutes afterward and she asked if I enjoyed the session. I replied with a smile as she fondled me and grinned. It was a great night at VV and I hope to return soon, even if it is off the beaten path. I hear the party there this Saturday night should be a great one. It would be fun to see the "civilian" girls mix it up with the pros. I suspect that a few of them won't be able to resist trying to mix a little business with the pleasure. Today I am going to try one more stop, just can't decide where....

Philips763

08-30-08, 09:47

She said her name was Pamela and that she was part Spanish and Arab and had spent most of her life in Germany. She too seemed to have lots of energy, apparently supplied by Redbull, Vodka/Fanta, and cigarettes.Pamela spend time working in Duesseldorf clubs like Saunaclub Arena and Atrium and I know her for a quite long time, as well for her huge consume of alcohol and fucking bareback for at least 200 euros extra charge.

Bobo.fr

09-08-08, 22:35

I think the girl you describe is little Nina from Polen, 20 years old, A-cup. Indeed very often she wears a pink bikini.
She was also Wednesday in the Villa but not in the afternoon.

Regards,
Big30
I met Nina : unfortunately she's not the lady (with pink bikini) I was/am looking for !!!

Basketcase

09-08-08, 23:10

@ Big30:

- Friday night there were 58 girls in the Villa. I was more than impressed by the quality and the quantity of the line-up!

I was told by a regular VV visitor on 30 August that there was 200 women at their Swingers club night. The place was awash with muschi.

Sadly I was at Golden Time where there was a deficit of ijsberen (Polar Bears) and worse of all muschi even the Golden Time Katze (Cat) was scarce and not prowling the grounds with its brood of Kätzchens (kittens).

I was struggling to find something that tickled my fancy for me to take to the zimmer. I had my companions trying to expand my horizons to go against my usual type and go for the MILFs.

Now if I had a group of 200 working women, well, that is a different matter. Things sound like they are on the up at Villa Vertigo in terms of women line up.

The problem is that each time I visit Villa Vertigo I seem to struggle to find a girl to session with.

- I have seen many times more than 45 girls in the Villa. Only last week already more than 3 times :-).

Cool, Big30 you have been at the Villa three times in one week. I know we have discussed this before. It is our burden, our fate, our doom to be addicted to sauna clubs and FKKs. Talking to you made me realise that it is just not me. Having this forum to share experiences, ideas and concepts is so great. It is a big wide and dispersed community that works and self moderates.

I come from further away and visit often myself. My friends think I am addicted too.

- The work for the new locker room has been completed and it looks nice and ... BIG!

It is good that the locker room is bigger as the locker room prior just felt too cramped and could easily become claustophobic. However, I guess there is still only the 2 toliets and the 4 shower heads to choose from.

- For a picture of some of the girls you will find now in the Villa see,
http://www.blog.villavertigo.de/

Yes, thank you for the reminder. I have looked over these pictures many times before seeing all the girls that I do not see at Villa Vertigo whenever I visit. I sometimes wonder if they are real.

- 23-08 there will be a party in the Villa, "Sexy Bullentanz 23.08. @ Villa Vertigo ab 22.00 Uhr bis 04.00 Uhr morgens!"

Sexy Bullentanz 23.08 (http://blog.villavertigo.de/?p=310)

So sorry Big30, I was elsewhere in Deustchland on 23 August. I hope that you had a good time at the Sexy Bullentanz (Sexy Bull Dance).

Nonetheless even in that far corner of Deutschland where I was away from my usual visiting places of NRW or Hessen I had ijsberen find me and say "Its Londonbasketcase from Golden Time!!" I have never seen these two groups of guys in my whole life and next thing they think they know me.

I even had some American ijsberen find me and made good friends such that we went sightseeing the next day instead of fucking since we shared similar interests.

Sir Screwalot

09-14-08, 01:50

Wanted to check out the place again after some positive reports.

Waste of time!

Again, I was there in the afternoon. There might be a difference in the evening, but I doubt it.

My impression is that the place lacks intimacy.

Too few customer, too few girls, too much m2 ? = not very cozy.

This is the second and last time I go to VV. I just don't think they have this "little extra" which makes a good club.

Sir S

Bobo.fr

09-14-08, 20:34

.... My impression is that the place lacks intimacy.

I agree with you : I wonder who will use the jacuzzis !!

Too few customer, too few girls ....

I do NOT agree with you but the problem with these clubs is that it's not easy to "catch" the "top 3" ladies (in private houses, you can "apply" for a "date" at reception desk) who are rarely free.

Chicafan

09-15-08, 21:51

i agree with you : i wonder who will use the jacuzzis !!
i agree with that although my one visit i used the jacuzzis but it's a little different and slightly uncomfortable as if you are the center of attention. not to mention, they are just too darn small. for all its plush surroundings it is not a very comfortable environment. the wicker type lounge chairs are nice for a relaxing nap but the majority of furniture is very stiff, not comfortable. it's a very nice club and any deficiency in intimacy can be overcome by quality of the lineup if they ever get that part up to speed.

the rooms for sex are outstanding but you don't see those if you don't find a girl you like, and even then most of your time is still spent downstairs so it makes it more important i think to be comfortable downstairs.

Lllldick

09-27-08, 09:37

Dear Cynical, Big30, LBC and other senior mongers,

I plan to have a visit of GT or VV since long time ago, but considering the possible racial door policy (I am not Caucasian) and the inadequate line-up of VV since it was established.

As I have some time to NRW again in October, I have spent hours reading entire the threads from the start, and determine a go after some positive reports.

I also read about the overnight stay/service in VV at its website and was thrilled by the fantasy to have a lady accompanied all night.

Here I just want to know if any ISG members had such an experience? If yes, how to arrange it and what is the cost in total for a night?

If not, how could I arrange my residence in this area.

Thanks

Cynical

09-28-08, 08:47

Basketcase

09-29-08, 01:09

Dear Cynical, Big30, LBC and other senior mongers,

I also read about the overnight stay/service in VV at its website and was thrilled by the fantasy to have a lady accompanied all night.

Here I just want to know if any ISG members had such an experience? If yes, how to arrange it and what is the cost in total for a night?

If not, how could I arrange my residence in this area.

It was quite an experience to spend the entire night with a lady of your choice and to wake up in the morning with her. Question is are you happy to pay her for sleeping with you. If you have done this before then you have accepted that consequence.

I know I have and the non contact time such as sleeping has been factored into the pricing for the overnighter. I have yet to do an overnighter where I stay up all night having carnal relations.

I do know of guys who think that what an overnighter means - you stay up all night fucking and insist the girl is available for sex throughout.

Then there is the understanding on some of the date like overnighters where you may have sex when you first meet up, then go to dinner/movie/theatre, out somewhere, then come back to your hotel/home and have sex again, have a break, and if you are lucky maybe sex again before bed, then you go to sleep together and then when you wake up have sex again or get a nice BBBJ wake up.

In a FKK or a sauna club I do not expect that you will be leaving the club to go to dinner/movie/theatre although I am not saying that is not possible.

I have not done an overnighter in a FKK or a sauna club but have a feel for the cost of doing the same privately which varies extensively depending on the girl and how well you know her.

At the high end you can count on the €50 for the first half hour plus €25 for each subsequent half hour thereafter. This means for say a 12 hour period with a girl it would cost on this 50+25 basis: €625 which is not too bad when you think about it if you stay up all night. If you are sleeping then that is over €50 per hour for her to be there too.

It is best that you discuss with VV management on your intentions and indications on what is possible.

You also have to find a lady that is happy to spend the night with you or that you are happy to spend the night with her. Not all the VV girls stay in the sauna club since they live elsehwere and so if you ask for the girl on the day of your visit the girl may not be in a position to stay with you overnight at the VV club due to commitments elsewhere.

VV as far as I know has an open door policy for all.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Sky Ryder

09-29-08, 03:29

The last time I was at VV, I asked about sleeping in one of the rooms and if I recall correctly was told that it was 300 euro for the evening rental and included the next days admission. I was also told that you could have one of the gals for the entire time for 500 euro. I thought that both were a little pricey, but what do I know. I figured that if I choose to stay in the room only, the 500 for one, equals 10 different gals over the days period or if I choose to keep one gal for a couple of hours, I could do that as well. I will admit the thought of waking up and taking a shower in the morning, walking down in my robe and selecting a croissant and lady for breakfast does have a certain allure. I was also told the room they give you is quite posh and it has a great view of the grounds. I really wanted to use the balcony that night, but some other punter had already rented the room for the evening! I hope this helps!

Jackyo

09-29-08, 08:57

Sky Ryder

09-29-08, 10:16

They were separate charges. You were not required to take a lady/ladies to your room if you chose not to have company for the overnight. Conversely, you could rent the room for the evening and have as many as you wish until they closed for the evening, singles, doubles, triples, whatever. I got the impression that within reason, as long as your paying, it is your party!!
One caveat though, I am not 100% about the 300 Euros, I dont' think it was more, but it might be less.
While we are on the subject, if I was driving from Amsterdam, any venues you might suggest I visit? I know there aren't any/many in Holland, but I thought I might take a day/overnight trip to catch some of the ones up north that I missed during my recent stay in Frankfurt!
TIA
Sky

Skristel

09-30-08, 10:37

The last time I was at VV, I asked about sleeping in one of the rooms and if I recall correctly was told that it was 300 euro for the evening rental and included the next days admission. I visited VV last Saturday and enquired (for future visit) about renting a room for the night (purely Bed and breakfast, no girl) and was given the price Euro 100 by the receptionist (Hungarian girl).

It's a weird club, the women weren't pre-socialising with the men, there seemed to be a stand-off. The club doesn't feel organic. It's like a new 'starbucks' store of the FKK world.

The most dissapointing thing was the girls weren't topless!

Basketcase

09-30-08, 22:01

While we are on the subject, if I was driving from Amsterdam, any venues you might suggest I visit? I know there aren't any/many in Holland, but I thought I might take a day/overnight trip to catch some of the ones up north that I missed during my recent stay in Frankfurt!

If you are driving South East from Amsterdam to Nord Rhein Westfalen then you will past by possibly Utretch. There is the Zanpad Red Light District (RLD) which has window girls in canal boats moored to the canal. You go up to the girls on the boats in their windows by walking the gangplank connecting the canal boat to the shore. It is really pretty at night with the red lights and late model cars driving slowly by observing the girls and the girls observing the men. There are also men on bicycles and a couple of men walking the red light district circuit. You get service at €50 for a session and maybe just a BJ at €30. Do negotiate what is or is not included.

Then there is Alkmaar for the Achterdam RLD and the cheese market. Lots of nice South American and Eastern European girls here for €35 a session.

My favourite after Amsterdam's RLD is the Hague for the Geleenstraat RLD. Lots of slim, tall, leggy blond Dutch girls here and petite dark haired Turkish and Maroccan girls. You can combine this with a visit to the Royal Palace and a visit to the International War Crimes Court to see from the public gallery the European court prosecute a suspect. Prices in the Geleenstraat is €50 for a session. Do negotiate what is or is not included.

Then you get to Venlo near the German border. About 25 kilometres North of Venlo is ZaZen the sister club of Yin Yang which is a proper FKK compared to the sauna club Yin Yang. ZaZen is staffed by dragoons from Yin Yang but may by now be staffed by its own host of ladies. Probably about 6-10 girls at any time.

Then about 5-6 kilometres to the South East of Venlo near the German border is Sans Souci which I understand means "without worries". This is a sauna club and has a few girls.

If you keep going further you enter Germany and then there is Villa Vertigo in Grerath, Planet Happy Garden in Oedt and Golden Time in Brueggen. Maybe 2 to 2.5 hours drive from Amsterdam.

Or you can just head South from Venlo direct to Yin Yang near Melick/Roermond. This is about a 45-50 minute drive from Eindhoven. A nice trip if you combine it with a football match with Eindhoven PSV at home.

If you do head North then go to FKK Zeus near Osnabruek and spend time visiting the site also near Osnabruek of the Roman massacre of Verus' three Roman Legions in the Teutoburg wald in 9 AD. You may also bump into the remnants of the Army of the Rhine based in Osnabruek before they are pulled back for homeland security or duties in the Middle East.

TIA

Tits 'n' Arse back to you too.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase

09-30-08, 22:15

Theme: €100 a night to stay at VV is a good deal:

I visited VV last Saturday and enquired (for future visit) about renting a room for the night (purely Bed and breakfast, no girl) and was given the price Euro 100 by the receptionist (Hungarian girl).

Seriously, during messe time in Dusseldorf where rooms go for €200 to €300 a night then €100 a night with breakfast to stay at Villa Vertigo that has the facilities of a 4 star hotel and near naked women then that is a good deal.

It's a weird club, the women weren't pre-socialising with the men, there seemed to be a stand-off. The club doesn't feel organic. It's like a new 'starbucks' store of the FKK world.

This feeling of no sex is on offer has been reported on before by other writers so you are not alone in having this uneasy feeling. Interesting to know that the feeling of no sex is still prevalent.

The most dissapointing thing was the girls weren't topless!

I know. Topless is good. Even at Golden Time you get quite a few girls going topless. The visuals are much better I think.

We must tell Stephan that he needs to hire girls that are fine with going topless.

If former Villa Vertigo girls like NRW German girls Nora, Aliah and Noelle that just wore bikinis at Villa Vertigo move to a club like FKK Oase in Hessen where they wander around totally starkers then they do have girls that are okay with the au natural FKK concept.

Man these three German girls have the typical German look to them and stay together as a group. I was even offered to go to the room with two of them. I would have picked Nora as she looked the finest of the three and Noelle as she was the friendliest.

These three girls are young, tall (1.75m), slim, leggy, long blond haired, blue eyed, natural A/B cups. I think Noelle is 22 years.

Bobo.fr

09-30-08, 22:49

I visited VV last Saturday and enquired (for future visit) about renting a room for the night (purely Bed and breakfast, no girl) and was given the price Euro 100 by the receptionist (Hungarian girl).
....!
I think that may depend on many factors :
1) days and seasons (as normal hotels) : week-end, summer, winter
2) new or "regular" clients

Anyway, you may send an email to the management to ask for prices on the nights you expect to stay.

Bobo.fr

10-20-08, 22:53

1) On thursday October 16th, I spent my night at VV.
The price was 100 (while in July, I had to pay 150 Euros).
On friday morning when I was preparing myself in the lockers room, a gentleman asked me how were the rooms (is he a ISG forumer ?) he had paid for 100 : so I think that 100 is the current price for new or "regular" clients.

2) On that thursday I spent time only with Judith (blonde german lady without tatoos, nor "American" nails). I had to wait for her for long time (probably for more than 2 hours) : so, again, to a forumer who was disappointed in waiting at VV (Londonbasket ?) I dare say (again) that it's very difficult to get Top Ladies even if they were present and were working !! If that thursday was my first time in VV, I would not know that Judith existed, that she was working and so to wait for her.

Big30

10-21-08, 00:09

I visited VV last Saturday and enquired (for future visit) about renting a room for the night (purely Bed and breakfast, no girl) and was given the price Euro 100 by the receptionist (Hungarian girl).

The most dissapointing thing was the girls weren't topless!

The standard price for a room in VV is now indeed 100 Euro. The Hungarian girl you talked with at the theke was Milana.
Some girls at VV are now topless. I was there last Friday and about 5-10 of the 45 girls present were topless. So far this was not usual in VV.

On Fridays and Saturdays they now have a DJ playing good music and 3 girls performing a live lesbo show!!

Yes somethings have really changed in the Villa!

Kind regards,
Big30

Basketcase

10-21-08, 00:48

The standard price for a room in VV is now indeed 100 Euro. The Hungarian girl you talked with at the theke was Milana.
Some girls at VV are now topless. I was there last Friday and about 5-10 of the 45 girls present were topless. So far this was not usual in VV.

On Fridays and Saturdays they now have a DJ playing good music and 3 girls performing a live lesbo show!!

Yes somethings have really changed in the Villa!

Kind regards,
Big30

Hi Big30,

There seems to be improvements at Villa Vertigo according to your reports.

The price of an overnight stay set at €100 plus entry at €50 makes for a fixed cost of €150 before the variable costs of female company. Appears reasonable for what you are getting since the rooms in the main building of VV are very good quality and with sexy girls in abundance or in the next room makes for a charged atmosphere.

Big30, if there are girls going topless at VV then maybe VV should be put back on the visit list again. With 5-10 of 45 girls going topless then that is a ratio of 11% to 22% of the girls. Although Golden Time will have a more extensive line up of girls - there is the added hassle of too many ijsberen outnumbering the girls creating long waits for the rooms and not being able to find the girl that you want to take you to bed.

It is good that VV is attracting girls that are happy to go topless. I like that look just like I like the experience of the Hessen FKKs where the girls are stark bollock naked. Nice.

I was aware of the DJ imported from the Dusseldorf clubs on a Friday and Saturday and I understand that the DJ stays over at the VV club on Friday and performs sets for the girls and the other overnight stayers for the after party when the customers have left for the night. The after parties I hear can be quite raunchy since the girls are more relaxed and do not feel like they are on display.

The Villa Vertigo concept has a lot going for it to succeed but from my experiences the lack of sexiness and girls during my visits have left me wanting. I wish all the best to Villa Vertigo to pull itself into a star quality club.

However, in contrasts on all my VV visits to date they have been less successful in terms of fun compared to a Golden Time or a FKK Oase visit. When I look at the VV website and see the gorgeous babes pictured like I think I have never seen girls that good looking at VV. Maybe I have been going on the wrong days?

I understand Russian Madeline works at VV and can also be found at GT. I do admire her ample breasts. Madeline's breasts look so heavy and fun to play with on her slim frame. I have not seen Madeline at VV.

Noelle, Alina and Aliah have meant to have returned to work at VV as well.

There are a few other beauties that I see on the VV blog site, but I never seem to see these girls on my visits. Maybe as Bobo.fr says because generous ijsberen have taken all the best girls to the rooms preventing other ijsberen from taking these beauties to the room leaving the B team on the floor.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase

10-21-08, 01:00

On that thursday I spent time only with Judith. I had to wait for her for long time (probably for more than 2 hours) : so, again, to a forumer who was disappointed in waiting at VV (Londonbasket ?)

Hello Bobo.fr,

Thank you for your report of your exploits at Villa Vertigo ("VV").

Alas, the forumer that you refer who was dissappointed at VV during your visit might not have been me. My last VV visit was July I am sad to say. If your report was from July then yes, maybe it was me struggling with a horde of other ijsberen trying to procure a session with the quality girls working at VV.

I, like some others are awaiting for glowing reports before returning back to VV since the line ups have not been the best.

I cannot fault the decor, the attentive service, and the highly edible range of food that is plentiful and available for extensive time. It is just that the girl quality and range does not match Golden Time. Like I have said, maybe I am going on the wrong days.

Furthermore, as there is no kino, the previous one having been turned into an extension to the locker room, then there is another reason why VV for me has fallen in terms of attractiveness as a venue on the NRW sauna club visit circuit.

I know other ijsberen ask me to go to VV with them to check it out again but to date those catch ups have come to naught.

Bobo.fr, some of us wait longer than 2 hours for that special someone that we want to see and it is frustrating to wait with your balls becoming bluer and bluer but this is not an event that is isolated with VV, I think I get this at all the clubs and maybe moreso at GT and Oase as these clubs can be so busy being full of customers taking girls to the room.

Oase can be rife as it only has 20 rooms compared to GT's 36 rooms but each club can have the same number of women working (say 70-75 throughout the day on the weekends).

Regards

Londonbasketcase

Swiss Monger

10-21-08, 06:02

Wanted to compare some "notes" from a couple of weeks ago:

Linda (millfy EE):

Caught her broad smile one evening and got her to approach me on the couch. Real woman who likes and provides the real deal; raw, passionate GF sex. She was able to wake him up again during 90 min.

Gini (blondish,young German, skinny):

Was dissappointed this time as too cool and merely professionally. was not able to get through outer core of her personality. No kissing, no CIM. Was either not in good mood or too many personal stuff distracting.

Joy (dark-haired German next door girl):

Woah, few times no kissing works, lovely personality, smart and very good overall service. Extras might be possible for regulars or with sympathy.

Megan (italy-Marocco, skinny):

Very nice and fun girl to hang around with, got her to come as well which makes for a satisfying session; might be too skinny for some but natural GFE is worth it.

WANTED LIST:

Two Iranian/German girls, one is a beginner and natural looking; the other one tuned and prof. looking.

Sonya or Sonja; if she wasn't hanging around in this EE group....

AVOID:

Young bulgarian, rumanian, EE group that hangs out together in the one room.
You have to bring dough to get good service; agressive sellers usually lack service....

LINEUP:

- If you are only into optificks then little choice

- Agree that several girls should not be working in a club at this level

- Enough choices if you stay open minded and your hunting scheme is not too narrow

Girls appreciate they are being treated fairly and taken care of by owners/mgrs.

Anyone agrees, disagrees?

Happy mongering.

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Bobo.fr

10-21-08, 14:31

Sorry Londonbasket, I made a mistake, I wanted to talk about "Jimmy Boy 99" (not 69 :-) )' posts :

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=770096&postcount=185

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=770612&postcount=194

Bobo.fr

10-21-08, 20:25

....
The price of an overnight stay set at €100 plus entry at €50 makes for a fixed cost of €150 before the variable costs of female company.
...

To avoid confusion : the prices I talked about in my previous posts were without entrance fee (50 Euros).

What is not quite clear is the time to leave VV (without paying for a new entrance fee) : once (but just once) I was said that I would be able to stay until 13:00 (01 PM).

Willem2

10-23-08, 00:37

I was Thursday in Villa Vertigo again. Went with Sabrina ( Russia, 28y, darkblond, 1.70m,B-cup) I know her already for a long time because she also have been working in PHG. Good blowjob and good service.

This thursday around 35-40 girls were present. Some highlights like Carmen, Judith, Sonja, Mia etc .

Next thursday (30 Oktober) I will return.

Greetings Willem

Bobo.fr

10-23-08, 18:32

...
Some highlights like .... Mia etc .
...

At close time, the last two clients (from Netherlands border) told me that the charming lady they spoke to was Mia from Russia.
Do you mean that Mia (blonde) ?

Willem2

10-24-08, 01:03

At close time, the last two clients (from Netherlands border) told me that the charming lady they spoke to was Mia from Russia.

Do you mean that Mia (blonde) ?Yes.

The two men were probably Extince and Zakkenleger.

Big30

10-30-08, 02:03

Wanted to compare some "notes" from a couple of weeks ago:

WANTED LIST:

Two Iranian/German girls, one is a beginner and natural looking; the other one tuned and prof. looking.

Sonya or Sonja; if she wasn't hanging around in this EE group....

W.r.t. the 2 Iranian/German girls: the beginner is called Nilo (=the small girl often in a white dress) and the more experienced girl is called Leyla (long black hair and often in a black dress).

Sonja is most days present in VV, she stays most of the time in the "room" between the 2 bars with her girl friends from RO called: Alicia, Marie, Cindy and Oana.
The service of Sonja is excellent, she is sometimes hard to book/get!

Nilo, Leyla, Sonja, Alicia, Marie, Cindy and Oane all were there when I was in the Villa last Friday. Mia the blond Russian girl also was there.

Also a lot of optickficks, Partystimmung, striptease and a DJ playing good music!

AVOID:

Young bulgarian, rumanian, EE group that hangs out together in the one room.
You have to bring dough to get good service; agressive sellers usually lack service....

Which girls do you refer to?? Do not give a general statement that sounds to me more like a prejudice than that it based on an actual experience.
If so, give the name of the girls and mention why you were not satisfied with the service of the girls.

I only know 2 young Bulgarian girls in the Villa: Sherry and Cindy (yes there are 2 Cindy's in the Villa :-)!), I do not consider them to be agressive sellers nor do I think their service is not good.

Kind Regards,
Big30

Basketcase

10-30-08, 09:01

Oase can be rife as it only has 20 rooms compared to GT's 36 rooms but each club can have the same number of women working (say 70-75 throughout the day on the weekends).

Ahoj All,

Just a correction on the number of roooms at Golden Time. I meant 25 rooms at Golden Time. The rooms are numbered 1 to 26 but since there is no room 13 there is only 25 rooms. I trust this clarifies the comparative that I was trying to make between Oase (20 rooms) and Golden Time (25 rooms) and why for these two clubs stau (traffic jams) are created by men wanting to take girls to the room when there are potentially 4 times as many girls available than there are rooms when you have girl line ups that number near the 80 mark which are possible at Oase and Golden Time on many occassions.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase

Iseeu

10-30-08, 13:41

Ahoj All,

Just a correction on the number of roooms at Golden Time. I meant 25 rooms at Golden Time. The rooms are numbered 1 to 26 but since there is no room 13 there is only 25 rooms. I trust this clarifies the comparative that I was trying to make between Oase (20 rooms) and Golden Time (25 rooms) and why for these two clubs stau (traffic jams) are created by men wanting to take girls to the room when there are potentially 4 times as many girls available than there are rooms when you have girl line ups that number near the 80 mark which are possible at Oase and Golden Time on many occassions.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase
Some of the most memorable sessions that I have had at Oase, have been those that started with us waiting for a room. It's great- you and your annointed one go unsuccessfully looking for an available zimmer, then get to know each other better, make out, feel each other up, do some tongue sucking, and all off the clock.
I love it.

Vito Corleone

10-31-08, 01:33

Basketcase

10-31-08, 08:56

Some of the most memorable sessions that I have had at Oase, have been those that started with us waiting for a room. It's great- you and your annointed one go unsuccessfully looking for an available zimmer, then get to know each other better, make out, feel each other up, do some tongue sucking, and all off the clock.
I love it.

Hi Isseu and Vito Corleone,

Unfortunately during my visits to Villa Vertigo the amount of public action has been disappointing. I almost got the feeling that I was de-virgining the kino when I managed to get a cute Polish girl into the kino for a blow job, but her skills were not up to what I was wanting and when she went to hand job to try to finish me off - she was a bit too agressive since she was using my testicle sacks like a bouncy castle to create lift for her up and down hand movement. My suffice to say my Eier were tenderised such that I nursed two well sore balls for the next few days.

I mean at VV you do see happys hanging out, maybe a bit of canoodling, but nothing apparent where a blowjob is happening in the main lounge area or in the sauna area. It seems all to be saved for the rooms.

Since the VV is sited near a main thoroughfare where the garden backs onto when in the garden you can hear the constant hum of motor vehicle traffic unlike Golden Time which backs onto a nature reserve area. I have done sessions in the open at Golden Time underneath a burning hot sun, but it dod not seem right to do the same at Villa Vertigo and also with the car noise in the background - not natural in feeling.

At Golden Time while I was lying back for my blowjob by the pond at the bottom of the garden I could hear the frogs ribbetting, dragon flies hum pass, birds twittering, a gallant wood pigeon fly overhead. That is the feeling you want when going to do the business in the garden.

Regards

Londonbasketcase

Willem2

11-12-08, 13:01

List of Girls :

Alicia,
Amanda,
Ani /Annie ,
Annabel,
Bettina,
Carmen (blackhair/tatoeage),
Christina,
Cindy (B),
Cindy (R),
Denise (G),
Elly/Emmy,
Emily,
Julie,
Heidi
Leyla/Leila,
Linda,
Marie,
Manon
Nastja /Anastacia,
Nelly,
Nina,
Noëlle,
Nouncy /Nuncia,
Oana,
Olivia,
Roberta,
Sabrina,
Sherry,
Simona,
Sina,
Sky,
Sonja /Sonia,
Stella,
Veronica,
WanLi,
Zara /Sarah.

I went again with Sabrina and Sina to a room. Good service of both girls.

Bratwurst

11-19-08, 20:34

Sina. During my only visit to VV (1 year ago or so) I had the pleasure.

She is one of the hottest MILF experience I ever had, since she should be around 37-38 yo. I was there on a sofa feeling a bit confused since most of the girls (some of them very pretty I remember) looked like they had no clue what they were doing there, but she sensed my need of love, so she started talking about love and sex. Then we started kissing and caressing. She is an experienced kisser. In the room I masturbated her gently with her panties on until she came very hard, then some warm sex followed.

Funny is I took a shower there in her room (do all of the rooms there have showers?)

She is just right for this job, I tell you.

Ciao

Jackyo

12-04-08, 12:33

If anyone wants to look up Heidi from the Stern Magazin video, there have been positive reviews of her on the RF.

She works there from Wednesday to Saturday.

Sky Ryder

12-24-08, 08:57

Hey Gents,

I do have a question for you if I may. Does anyone know what the clubs do as far as staying open on the holidays? Do most of the ladies head home for the holidays or is there still a bit of a selection. I find that I am remaining in the local area for a an extra week instead of heading home for the holidays!
Thank you in advance !

Sky Ryder

12-26-08, 13:48

I was able to determine that VV was open on 25 DEC and with more than a little trepidation, decided to drive down and enjoy the holiday in a whole new way. I will admit I have a bit of a "love/hate" relationship with this place. The management is very nice to me, they always greet me by name and ask if I am enjoying the visit. On previous visits I had one or two spectacular sessions and also a couple of equally spectacular disasters. Also one or two mediocre sessions. I really like the facility and maybe the hope of another off the chains opportunity keeps me coming back. Last night I was surprised to see many cars in the lot when I arrived about 7 pm.
After the formalities went on "walkabout" to check out the evening's talent. I saw a few goodies, a couple of "no-ways" (they were attractive, but I got bad vibes), and two or three I was really interested in pursuing. One was a very slender tall girl with short black hair. I don't normally go for the thin model type, but this girl had a great ass and a wonderful easy smile. She was occupied at the time which turns out was to my benefit.
The other was another brunette, she was wearing a stylish "little black dress" and had wonderful eyes and smiled at me one or twice in that coy "come hither" look. I am drawn to girls that are somewhat demure in their approach, and this gal looked a little shy, but had a good body and nice ass. I waited to see how she interacted with others in the rooom and after deciding to take a chance called her over. Her name is Joy and she was just that. We chatted and as it turns out she is a struggling fashion designer, and designed the dress she was wearing, I really liked it and told her so and I think she was pleased. We chatted a while and then went upstairs, not much interaction in the public area, which concerned me a little. In the room, she tells me she doesn't do anal, which I like but not enough to pay the extra 50 to receive. Spectacular BBBJ and then covered up for the main course. She was a willing participant, but I got the impression she was trying hard not to allow herself to enjoy it too much. We finished doggie in front of the mirror, it was quite a view. Not to much time passed until she was in the shower. cleaned dressed and ready to get out of the room. It was a good session, and I thought I would like to repeat later, but her detached nature during the act kind of threw me off a little.
Showered and returned to the couch area where I struck up a conversation with another punter. It turns out he was the one talking to the other girl I noticed. We chatted about a few subjects when the girl walked in and he said to me, "She is a great time." I thought to myself, that is good to know. He told me she likes to talk first and develop a reporte, then is in engaged in the zimmer. Well I needed to recharge first and when the other guy went off in search of his next conquest, I went up to the bar and said "Hello" to Cheri.
She speaks okay English with a French accent so it sounds really sexy. She is young and fresh and I has a great time talking to her! After about 30 mins with no mention from her about going to a room, I told her I needed to recharge the batteries and would like to see her later, but didn't want to occupy her time if she needed to "chat up" other potential clients. She said not to worry, she was enjoying the conversation and wasn't in a hurry. I said I was going to get a massage and went to see if the massuese was available. Upon my return I noticed another guy talking to her and didn't interupt. Had a great 30 min massage, that gal had magic hands! When I came out Cheri was sitting alone at the bar. She asked if I enjoyed the massage and I asked her if she liked them, she said yes. I had a thought and asked her if she wanted a massage, she said they cost money and I told her I would pay for her's if it was okay if I watched. She was beaming and really surprised. We asked the massuese if it was okay and she said certainly. I have to admit it was REALLY erotic watching her get the massage. As it turns out it was her first "professional" massage. Afterwards, I was ready to go again, and so was she. We headed off to the zimmer and I was rewarded with a truly great experience. She gives great head and liked every position I could think of, especially seeing herself getting it from behind in the mirror, she was watching and grinding for all she was worth.
As I said, I don't normally go for the model body types, but seeing this gal mounted up and riding lil' Sky was worth price of admission.
Afterwards we chatted, retired to the bar and she wanderded off to freshen up. We wound up chatting at the bar until closing, and if I thought I was ready for thirds, would have capped the night with another round of "Cheri".
I don't know how long she will last in this manner, but I had a great time at VV last night. It seems just about the time I am ready to write this place off I find another experience worth coming back for, "what to do".
One thing I really appreciated was the other monger taking to time to share. I am somewhat hesitant to ask someone about the girl, but not this time. It is good to share information!! Viva the Villa!

Bobo.fr

12-28-08, 00:05

....
Her name is Joy and she was just that. We chatted and as it turns out she is a struggling fashion designer, and designed the dress she was wearing, ...

http://blog.villavertigo.de/?p=289

Wanderer1000

01-05-09, 03:36

Went to VV for the first time at the beginning of last week. The place is very nice. More of a luxury feel than at GT or LR. Not very busy. Reminded me of what the LR used to be like back in August.

The lady at the entrance was not real friendly and inviting like at GT and LR - they need to take lessons from these other places on customer service at the entrance.

Despite the small number of women, there were several that looked really good. I found a winner in Linda, a Czech lady living in Germany for some time. If you like what you see, I'd recommend her. She is in her 30's, but she looks good. Interesting lady with a lot of experiences in her past. She is up for anything, and it seems the more bizarre the more interesting for her. She was telling me how she walked a guy through the club on a leash once, along with other stories like this. If you're looking for a nice lady who is a super-freak ....

I'd visit this place again, but I don't think it would be one of my regular places. More for a change of scenery type of visit.

MrWize

01-16-09, 11:43

, She gives great head and liked every position I could think of, especially seeing herself getting it from behind in the mirror, she was watching and grinding for all she was worth.

As I said, I don't normally go for the model body types, but seeing this gal mounted up and riding little' Sky was worth price of admission.

Afterwards we chatted, retired to the bar and she wanderded off to freshen up. We wound up chatting at the bar until closing, and if I thought I was ready for thirds, would have capped the night with another round of "Cheri".

I don't know how long she will last in this manner, but I had a great time at VV last night. It seems just about the time I am ready to write this place off I find another experience worth coming back for, "what to do".

Viva the Villa! Hey there,

I met Cheri or SHerry too once and wondered if any one had seen her lately.

I must say she looks very nice.

Last visit in this club last week was very good too. Many very beautiful girls such as Michelle (ro), Noelle, Jessy, Sky, Nunzia were there and as we were tired from the night before, the quiet atmosphere from this place is real nice (Better than the louder clubs where no place to sit) but I must admit that for a big fun day, I like GOlden Time better.

It did not prevent me to have 2 meetings last Saturday: One was dispointing with the nice looking Dilia (1m65 brunette from Iran) and the other more rewarding with the petite Elisa (very small, thin Romanian/spanish girl).

Will certainly be there again. Maybe tommorrow.

Basketcase

02-02-09, 00:40

Hi All,

Villa Vertigo in Januar 2009 have started advertising for realiable bookings for which go for a minimum €100 per hour. So effectively this becomes an in-call service whereby you can pick the lady you want and go with her. In return the lady makes sure she is available at the appointed time.

Any comments on this? Is this a covert way of increasing the wage to €100 per hour instead of €100. Some say there is value in kowing that the girl that you desired will be available rather than take pot luck that she is available on the day that she is working and waiting around for her to become available.

Cheers,

Basketcase

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Auf vielfachen Wunsch unserer Gäste sind verlässliche Buchungen der Damen nun auch vorab möglich. Es ist natürlich Grundvoraussetzung, dass die jeweiligen Damen zum gewünschten Buchungszeitpunkt auch in der Villa Vertigo arbeiten. Für eine Vorabbuchung gelten folgende Sonderregelungen um deren Veröffentlichung die selbstständig arbeitenden Damen der Villa Vertigo baten:

Mindestbuchungsdauer: 1 Stunde

Kosten pro Stunde: € 100,00

Die Damen der Villa Vertigo bitten darum, dass alle Buchungen der Gäste ebenso verlässlich eingehalten werden, wie es die Damen einhalten werden. Für Fragen stehen wir jederzeit zur Verfügung.

From now on girls of Villa Vertigo offer reliable prearranged bookings. Of course it is neccessary that the requested girls work at requested time in Villa Vertigo. The girls of Villa Vertigo, working on their own, asked to publish here on Vertigo blog following special regulations:

minimum booking time: 1 hour

costs per hour: € 100,00

The girls of Villa Vertigo ask to be reliable because they promise to be in time for any booking. All further questions will be answered by phone or at the entrance.

Jackyo

02-02-09, 00:57

Marlow

02-02-09, 16:21

Basketcase

02-02-09, 19:58

Personally think all the German media PR they've been having has gone to their heads. It's commonly known that men are not the most reliable creatures. I reckon they'll have a no show rate of at least 50%. By that I mean guys call ahead book a girl and then either don't turn up or do so and stay incognito and have the girl for the half hour when they change their minds about laying out a hundred and think she's only worth fifty.

The point that men are unrealiable creatures goes at least twofold for the girls being most unrealiable. Girls that say that they are working do not turn up to work as they say. Many girls do not even know what they are doing the next day let alone the next couple of days. I think there is many a disappointed punter who has been coming from a long distance to see a lady on the confirmation that a certain girl is working and finding that she is not there. I have had that happen to me many a time.

I do my best now to call ahead to the club to confirm if certain ladies on my wish list are present before getting there. This helps my budgetting but also sets me up that I need to save my sperma for the object of my desire should she begin work at a later hour than my arrival time or that I await her re-appearance once she has finished with a customer in a prior engagement.

There have been more than one time (I mean many) where I have confirmation that a girl is there and then wait around looking out for her then asking around the ladies to find that she is not working that day because her plans have changed. Sometimes this is after I have asked them the day before whether they are working the next day and I am in the club the next day!! Maybe the girls are avoiding me?

The big questions that need answering are: does the curtain come down when you do, no matter if the hour is up or not, which is normal in the half hour service? Or do you get have an encore?

if they said an hour for 100 and as many encores as you can, well that would be worth it.

Marlow, you make a good point. In Oase when I do a hour session I usually only go for one pop since that is how I am working with the session. Albeit I am quite sure I am entitled to at least two pops in the 1 hour and some girls instigate the overture to stimulate a second orgasm from me at the half hour mark when I have surely gone over the 30 minute mark. So in my experience I would expect two pops in the one hour session if I can manage it but generally in my one hour sessions I am going for the slow and laborious pop taking my time and really enjoying the sensations before the final release of my pleasure so to speak.

Gruss,

Basketcase

Dominoq

03-29-09, 16:20

I visited VV when it was opened and that time girls weared lingerie or bikini.

Are they nude now like in every FKK?

MrWize

03-30-09, 14:57

I visited VV when it was opened and that time girls weared lingerie or bikini.

Are they nude now like in every FKK? Hi there,

No they are not nude.

Villa Vertigo is more a Sauna club type of club where the girls usually wear nice lingerie but some of them wander around top less.

You ll find all kind of girls there all offering decent service.

Premises are really nice as well.

Have fun in there.

Willem2

03-31-09, 00:10

I visited VV when it was opened and that time girls weared lingerie or bikini.

Are they nude now like in every FKK?No. It's a saunaclub. So sometimes girls are walking around naked but most of the time not.

Dominoq

03-31-09, 14:07

No. It's a saunaclub. So sometimes girls are walking around naked but most of the time not.Thanks, do they still have the rule that girls don't take more than 50 euros?

Big30

04-03-09, 04:42

I visited VV when it was opened and that time girls weared lingerie or bikini.

Are they nude now like in every FKK?

Villa Vertigo just like GT, PHG, LR etc. is not a FKK so why this stupid question? Girls are naked in a FKK like you will find in Hessen a lot. In NRW you will not find a "real" FKK. But I must admit that nowadays in VV "oben ohne" is no exception anymore :-)!

Wow? You ranked Oase ahead of LR?

When ranking is based upon physical qualities clearly Oase should be ranked ahead of LR! Oase has great outdoor facilities as a Pool, 2 outdoor Sauna's, big Kino etc. Never saw that in LR although I like LR very much!

Villa Vertigo indeed has great Wellnes area, I was there like so many times last Thursday and I must admit this time I was also impressed very much by the line-up of the girls!!!

We all know that in Oase the food is bad, the rooms and restrooms are not very clean. The only reason to go to Burgholzhausen is the line-up of the girls!

In NRW i do not like the fact that in GT, most of the times, I have to wait very long for a key, besides some of my colored friends are not wellcome in GT. LR is not bad although many times overcrowded. PHG is still going strong, for me the place where my FKK-Sauna addiction started!

Anyway, for me the place in NRW I prefer to visit above all, is Villa Vertigo!

Kind Regards,
Big30

Breadman

04-03-09, 22:04

I visited VV when it was opened and that time girls weared lingerie or bikini.

Are they nude now like in every FKK?

As a general rule of thumb, sauna clubs like goldentime, phg and VV the girls were some type of clothing. Some girls might go topless, some might cover everything up and others might show off more than normal. All depends on the girl...if the girl worked in a club where she walked around in the nude she might feel comfortable doing so in a sauna club. Is there a rule saying that girls in a sauna club have to be clothed??? Saw a girl at GT who came out in the nude...and the lady who runs things came out and made her keep a towel around her waist while walking around the club. Later in the evening she started walking around nude and had all the guys looking.

Woof Woof

04-04-09, 00:58

Villa Vertigo indeed has great Wellnes area, I was there like so many times last Thursday and I must admit this time I was also impressed very much by the line-up of the girls!!!
....Anyway, for me the place in NRW I prefer to visit above all, is Villa Vertigo!

I think i visited VV on a wrong day (Monday) because the lineup there was abysmal. Beautiful furniture though ;-) even though it feels cluttered in the non-smoking bar area.

Big30

04-04-09, 01:37

I think i visited VV on a wrong day (Monday) because the lineup there was abysmal. Beautiful furniture though ;-) even though it feels cluttered in the non-smoking bar area.

I do not say Monday is a wrong day. Mondays in VV tend to be relatively quiet, that is true esspecially before 18 hr in the afternoon.

I prefer to visit VV on Fridays or Saturdays because then a DJ is playing. Other days are also OK. Bit the same story as in other clubs w.r.t. the number of girls and guests present.

On Friday and Saturday the non-smoking bar = a smoking bar. Yes that is a strange mathematical equation :-)!

Big30

Wanderer1000

04-05-09, 23:37

Had my second and third visit last week - Wednesday and Friday. On my first visit over New Years week, I thought it was kind of slow, but there were enough hot women to make my trip enjoyable.

I found this trip to be better. Wednesday was naturally slower, but I found quite a few very hot women. Friday was really good, and I was told that it is normal for the weekends. Friday was warm and sunny, and I got to see what the pool scene is like on a nice day. Depending on your preference, I'd say it is as nice a scene as GT for hanging out on a nice afternoon.

From talking to guys from last summer, and what I've read, I was not expecting this place to be so good, even on weekends. There were so many hot women on Friday. I will definitely be checking this place out on future visits. I would think this will be a great place on weekends this summer. Just my impression.

Red Duracel

04-13-09, 10:20

Hello!

Does anybody know the password for the hardcore articles on the Blog of Vertigo?

Thank you for your help.

Swiss Monger

04-14-09, 09:36

Big30

04-18-09, 04:53

...visted on 2 Thursdays a couple of weeks ago (despite some crtitical comments on German forum) and I was impressed. Like the facilities and the line up. Something for everman's taste. And since I normally monger in Switzerland I was happy about pricing as well. 50 EUR for 30 minutes, 75 for 60min and 25 for extras (and no big discussions, everyone seems happy to oblige).

Michelle ? (fake, but good enough for a quick 30min, one of the established bulgarin,rumanian crowd)

Noelle (BBBJ cannot be described in words) really did not expect to "finish" like THAT - just one hint, her tongue was sticking outside....

Melanie (new, rumanian or bulgarian, very very nice and capable, has something persian in her look, but apparently not)

End 20s polish girl, forgets to put on panties ;) Nice but not overwhelmed.

Who has been with Sonya or Sonja? How was it? She is on my (long) to-do list.

I was more than one time with Sonya. It was excellent to tell the truth!! See also her pictures on the VV blog, http://blog.villavertigo.de/. More specific:

http://blog.villavertigo.de/?p=909
http://blog.villavertigo.de/?p=633

Try her when you are in VV, you might get addicted :-)! I like her wysiwyg!

W.r.t. Michelle! Fake?? I do not think so!! I know Michelle for more than one year. Made many sessions with her and was always very satisfied! Yes she is Romanian. Plac mult fete Român! De ce? Nu stiu! Zic pa si la revedere!

And what about Noelle?? I would say convince yourself!

http://blog.villavertigo.de/?p=1095

Friday 17-4 I was in the Villa and had a very good time! We all know the ambiente in the Villa is great, about the food no complaints (great pizza at 22 hrs), just one problem, the Villa is getting more and more popular so there were (limited < 15m) room waiting times.

Kind Regards,
Big30

Big30

04-18-09, 05:00

Hello!

Does anybody know the password for the hardcore articles on the Blog of Vertigo?

Thank you for your help.

I really do not know! Try to make an intelligent guess, I would not try happygarden or goldentime or livingroom, I forget the name of the club :-)! I hope I gave you a clue.

Kind regards,
Big30

Big30

05-04-09, 18:00

After the success of the last FKK Club/ Saunaclub Villa Vertigo special we have now something even more special: “Free Sex!” Every client who visited Saunaclub Vertigo fridays or saturday has a complete free entree on Sunday! This was the last Vertigo special!

http://blog.villavertigo.de/?p=2614

Offer is valid the next 4 weekends.

Kind regards,
Big30

Basketcase

05-17-09, 08:21

The other very attractive option is that you spend the night in Villa Vertigo about 5 km from Happy and spend the next day in Villa Vertigo :-)!

http://www.villavertigo.de/
http://blog.villavertigo.de/
http://blog.villavertigo.de/ladies/

Villa Vertigo KG
Bahnstrasse 90
47929 Grefrath
Telefon +49 (0) 2158 404 954

Then you combine the best of both Worlds :-)!!

Kind regards,
Big30

(Note: none off the girls you will find on the VV blog were fotoshopped)

Hi Big30,

Wow the pictures of the girls in the blog and especially the restricted blog section look really cool and you can see the Villa Vertigo decor - I recognise them. There are some really pretty girls that they have on the line up. Amazing quality from this lover of Optifiks. I recognise Noelle (Germany) from her stint in Oase and if Alia (Germany) is the same Alia that worked at Oase which was part of the German blond trio of Noelle, Nora and Alia then I know Alia as well. Then there is also a lot of other girls there that really interest me too.

We have not had many full reports of Villa Vertigo of late. we have just had snippets from here and there of "I went to the club and fucked some random girls that I do not recall or could describe".

My travels this Summer are being limited but it may be of interest for me to devote some of that limited time to the Villa Vertigo. An update may be in order.

There is also that offer of Sunday entry free has been extended of if you pay for entry on what I see now is any of Monday to Saturday that then a Sunday entry is free. Previously the offer was if you paid for entry on Friday or Saturday that you received the Sunday entry free.

Big30

05-17-09, 18:13

Hi Big30,

Wow the pictures of the girls in the blog and especially the restricted blog section look really cool and you can see the Villa Vertigo decor - I recognise them.

There is also that offer of Sunday entry free has been extended of if you pay for entry on what I see now is any of Monday to Saturday that then a Sunday entry is free. Previously the offer was if you paid for entry on Friday or Saturday that you received the Sunday entry free.

Hi Basketcase,

Yes the pictures look really cool but what is more important is that the girls, if you meet them in the real Villa life are very hot!
I am not sure whether Alia worked before in the Oase. I saw this beautifull girl Friday in the Villa. I am sure I saw her somewhere before, could be Oase but could also be Gt!

Indeed the offer has been extended!

Our special “free entrance on sunday” will be extanded. No matter on which day per week our clients come to FKK Club/ Saunaclub Villa Vertigo (Monday to Saturday) the second entrance on SUNDAY is free. Special on our sundays is also the barbeque and many beautiful girls!

Aktion freier Eintritt Sonntags ausgeweitet! (http://blog.villavertigo.de/2009/05/16/aktion-freier-eintritt-sonntags-ausgeweitet/)

Regards,
Big30

Big30

05-27-09, 03:02

fyi.

“Freier Eintritt sonntags” auch noch im Juni! (http://blog.villavertigo.de/2009/05/24/aktion-freier-eintritt-sonntags-wird-ausgeweitet/)

All clients and all girls love our special “free entrance on sundays!”. This is why we extend the special for the complete June! We look forward to pamper our clients!

Offer has been extended again! Now also valid in the month of June. Do not be surprised that now on Sundays you will find more girls and guests in the Villa!
It can happen that you have to wait for a key. For me no problem then I enjoy first the food.

For a recent up-date of the girls in the Villa and other news see:

http://blog.villavertigo.de/

Kate, Celine, Monica are just some of the girls I can highly recommend. Yvonne and Adriana are back in the Villa.

Regards,
Big30

Basketcase

05-27-09, 21:00

Kate, Celine, Monica are just some of the girls I can highly recommend. Yvonne and Adriana are back in the Villa.

Big30,

So sad!!! When you were in Oase was the day I was in Villa Vertigo.

Monica (Slovakia) is a right nice one. She was continously booked by the Red Bears. Pretty girl and a nice body in her black fish net stocking dress and blackk G string. Nice.

Cheers,

Big30

05-27-09, 21:18

Big30,

So sad!!! When you were in Oase was the day I was in Villa Vertigo.

Monica (Slovakia) is a right nice one. She was continously booked by the Red Bears. Pretty girl and a nice body in her black fish net stocking dress and blackk G string. Nice.

Cheers,

Hi Basketcase,

You should have told me! Most Fridays you will find me in VV. But this time with a group of Dutch Ijsberen we went to Oase!

CU soon,
Big30

Zelatrix

05-27-09, 22:29

Visited VV for the first time recently. I was very impressed by the helpfulness and professionalism of the staff and the décor, which in places is on a par with a luxury boutique hotel. The staff went out of there way to help and make me feel welcome.

Thanks very much to Big 30 for the tip about free entry on a Sunday. I visited on Saturday and was indeed admitted on Sunday for free, meaning that overall I paid 25 Euros per day. You have to mention that you want to come back on the Sunday. They ask you to write a password in their book, along with your name (don’t worry first names only) and your locker number. They check this on entry, but in my case there was no need as the receptionist recognized me straight away from the day before. Hmmm...

I stayed locally at Gästelandhaus Niers. Its just over 2 km from VV. I got an apartment with a dining table and small kitchen. This set me back just 25 Euros per night. The place was spotlessly clean. Let me know if you want further details, but just be aware that you can easily miss the entrance road as its little more than a passageway of the main road. Also there are no signs when you get there (either that or I missed them). They seem to be a small business with just three apartments that they let out. A further word of warning. The landlady was very pleasant but she enquired as to the nature of my visit. I didn’t want to admit to being a gentleman love traveler so had to make something up on the spot. So best have a pre prepared alibi chaps.

I know that previously I had joked about guys wearing underpants under their robes but I saw at least 4 guys wearing pants. Is this a disturbing trend. Has anyone else noticed. Or are you all too focused on the ladies.

Another nice touch was they had cigars for sale. Not Hamlets but the boss ones from Cuba. Not my cup of tea but some of the other gents indulged.

One of the love tents has been converted into a mini gym with a machine, some dumbbells and a barbell.

The place is right at the end of the runway and light aircraft skim the tree tops regularly. Takes some getting used too.

I really liked the showers in that there were no issues with temperature control and they stayed on long enough not to be irritating. The ceiling mounted heads were a nice touch. The lockers were a decent size too, better than any of the other clubs I have visited thus far.

Ok onto the girls. Had multiple sessions with the same two girls. The first was Bianca from Poland. My first day was her first day. Visually stunning but performance very average. I hopped the performance would improve but it didn’t. Her newness did make up for this to an extent. She was with two other blondes from Poland and I believe it was there first day too. All were lookers. Unfortunately I cant remember the name of the second lady. She was very short and Romanian, with good sized jugs. Performance in the room was better than Bianca’s but visually nowhere near as good.

I spent the next day at Goldentime. Based on very limited experience and number of sessions I did find the ladies at GT generally more attractive and I had better sessions. However ladies come and go and as I liked both clubs I will spend a day at each club during my next adventure.

If you are thinking of visiting and want any more info do let me know.

Z

Big30

05-27-09, 22:51

I stayed locally at Gästelandhaus Niers. Its just over 2 km from VV. I got an apartment with a dining table and small kitchen. This set me back just 25 Euros per night. The place was spotlessly clean. Let me know if you want further details, but just be aware that you can easily miss the entrance road as its little more than a passageway of the main road.
If you are thinking of visiting and want any more info do let me know.

Z

Hi Zelatrix,

Thanks for your great report with a lot of info!! I was not aware of this Gästelandhaus Niers. Seems an attractive option if you are looking for accomadation close to VV, PHG or Gt.
A single room for 25 euro is very attractive. If you spend more than 3 nights it is even only 22 euro that you have to pay. OK without breakfast, but you can have bf in club!

For those who are interested here the website,
http://www.gaestelandhaus-niers.de/

Note: you can off course also spend the night in the Villa :-)!

Regards,
Big30

Basketcase

06-06-09, 22:20

I visited Villa Vertigo from 11:30am to 8pm staying for 8.5 hours.

Villa Vertigo KG
Bahnstrasse 90
47929 Grefrath, Germany
Phone: +49(0)2 158 404 954
Email: info@villavertigo.de
www.villavertigo.de
Entritt: €50
Opening times: Mon to Sat 11:00 to 01:00; Sun 13:00 to 01:00

Prices:
30min €50
60min €75
90min €125
120min €150

Meals available:
Breakfast buffet
Lunch buffet
Afternoon cake
Dinner Buffet

At 20:00 my Ocean Bear companion and I moved onto Goldentime arriving at 8:30pm staying there for another 4.5 hours before that club closed at 01:00. The reason that we moved on from Villa Vertigo was that the specific girl that this Ocean bear had flown across the Great Sea to see was not working when she said that she works this day. Sometimes these girls can be unrealiable.

Anyway, during my time in Villa Vertigo I managed to do some work and had experiences with the following:

*** Roxanna of Poland ***
(Blonde hair) €50 for 30 minutes
DFK, BBBJ, DATY, BBBJ, 3 positions FS

*** Roxanna of Poland ***
(Blonde hair) €50 for 30 minutes
I had to do Roxanna again as from the line up she was the best looking available that I liked the look.
DFK, BBBJ, DATY, BBBJ, 3 positions FS

*** Gini of Germany ***
(blonde hair), has an arse of a 8 year old boy, I wanted her in a school girl or nurse’s outfit) €50 for 30 minutes
BBBJ, FS, BBBJ, covered COB

A nice visit to Villa Vertigo. Total damage this visit was €200 excluding travel and accommodation costs.

Kind regards

Basketcase

Basketcase

06-07-09, 15:22

NordRhein Westfalen Trip
Villa Vertigo
Friday, 22 May 2009

This is the follow on trip report from the visit to Golden Time earlier this day 890383.

*** Summary ***

Highlights:

1. Barbeque food was good
2. Admiring Monica (Slovakia) but not actually going with her. Maybe on another trip to Villa Vertigo will I get another chance with Monica?
3. The working girls dancing on the pole
4. The DJ playing some cool tunes on the sound system in the annex lounge

Arrival 20:30
Departure 01:00
Time in club 4.5 hours

Entrance €50

Girls that was booked:

1.) Tanya (Romania) long dark hair €50. I will not repeat.

Total spend €100 in the club.

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VILLA VERTIGO
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Villa Vertigo KG
Bahnstrasse 90
47929 Grefrath, Germany
Phone: +49(0)2 158 404 954
Email: info@villavertigo.de
www.villavertigo.de
Entritt: €50
Opening times: Mon to Sat 11:00 to 01:00; Sun 13:00 to 01:00

Prices:
30min €50
60min €75
CIM/FT/COF €25
Anal €50

Meals available:
Breakfast buffet
Lunch buffet
Afternoon cake
Dinner Buffet
*** STORY ***

The first part of this day’s trip at Golden Time is reported in 890383.

At Golden Time the over powering presence of Ijsberen has gotten to my three Ocean Bear companions. There are just so many customers and so few women. I am indifferent about moving on as there are girls at Golden Time that I would do but I just had to be patient and stake them out to book them.

Enough was enough. Two of the Ocean bears said that they were going to Living Room in Kaarst as the prior night they had been there and discovered three new Czech girls there which had got their motors running. One of the Ocean bears from the West Coast of his continent wanted to do a threesome with two of the Czech girls.

This left my original Ocean companion and me to decide what to do. The considerations were:

• Living Room has maybe 20 odd girls working so it maybe hit and miss albeit the 03:00 closing was tempting. It would also be good to keep together with the other two Ocean bears and there was the discounted €25 entrance fee as we would have discount cards issued by the Golden Time Thekefrau.
• Planet Happy Garden would have a good line up but recent experience of my Ocean bear friend there from a year ago were not positive as he left un-popped. Also the entrance fee would be another €50.
• Villa Vertigo was getting good reviews from the Ijsberen and it would be good for an update but we would be paying €50 entrance.
• Yin Yang across the border in NL where entrance was €50. It has a Kino and food was adequately good.
• I did want some sleep tonight as I wanted to visit Aachen in the morning to see the Altstadt and see the hot mineral water spa, the cathedral and town square the next day.

An executive decision is made by my Ocean bear friend as I was indifferent to where we would be. He had to return home across the Ocean Sea on Monday whereas I was a Euro bear and would be back at Golden Time the next weekend for more frolicking in the Golden Time garden.

My Ocean bear colleague and I left Golden Time at 20:00 and we headed south on the B221 to connect up with the A52 and headed towards Moenchangladbach. We then turned north on the A61 turning off at Nettetal for the B509 towards Grefrath to Villa Vertigo on Bahnstrasse 90 arriving at 20:20. I had told my Ocean Bear colleague that it would be a shorter distance going north on the B221 to change at Nettetal to the B509 to Grefrath but he just wanted to drive fast.

Arriving at Villa Vertigo we see that the Bahnstrasse road outside is filled with customers cars. We decide that we will be lucky and we found a park in the Villa Vertigo car park. Otherwise the Villa Vertigo car park was rammed.

We went to reception and were buzzed in. We both pay our €50 and are issued red towels and red bathrobes. We have now changed from Ijsberen/Polar bears to Red Bears.

Villa Vertigo uses keys for their lockers and has a credit card system for paid for drinks that you hand over to the bar tender for charging and then pay off when you leave at the end of your stay. I can see how the old Kino that used to there is now more lockers. So sad to see the Kino destroyed as it was very well set up.

During my initial scout around Villa Vertigo Ocean bear 1 made pains to ask whether there was any girls here at Villa Vertigo that I liked the look of. My quick scan gave an answer in the positive. Content with that response from me Ocean bear 1 and I split up to see what we could find.

In the main house bar, Ocean bear 1 goes and latches onto a topless and near naked Romanian girl that looked familiar to me. I could not place her as someone that I had seen at Golden Time or at World or even at Oase. She was topless, slim and had light brown/dark blond hair. Ocean bear 1 after a chat takes her to the room.

In the meantime, the topless Romanian girl’s dark haired Romanian friend comes onto me and tries the hard sell for a booking by fondling me and touching me intimately. I politely decline and move on. I forget her name.

I go and have a few drinks drawn from either the main building bar or from the annex building bar.

I see that even at 21:00 that the barbeque is still being served so I go and have a grilled marinated chicken breast and a bratwurst with salad. This makes up for missing the main meal at Golden Time prior due to the tardiness of my Ocean bear friends who were complacent that the Golden Time dinner food would last to 19:00.

The DJ is pumping out some mighty find tunes out and the Dutch Ijsberen are getting into it and pulling shapes to the music from their various vantage points. I saw one group of Dutch men with a plethora of women around them, champagne, etc… having a great time raising their hands in the air. There are even the girls doing turns on the pole to entertain the crowds. From what I can see there is only one professional dancer and she was blond and in between stints on the pole she put her jeans and top on to ensure that she was not mistaken for one of the working girls. LOL.

Some of the girls at Villa Vertigo go topless which is something I like and is a trend that has become more prevalent here at Villa Vertigo. The other aspect is that there are still women, usually the more mature ladies which there are a few, at Villa Vertigo that wear full length evening or cocktail dresses covering themselves up. I guess if I wanted FKK then I should be in Hessen, but even in Hessen there is a growing tendency for the girls to wear mini skirts to cover up instead of being full naked.

Doing more scouting I noticed a brown haired girl wearing the black fish net body stocking and black G string taking customers to the room and coming back with them. I observe that some guys are lasting only 10 or 15 minutes in the room before coming out. Either she is a processor or these guys just cannot last the distance. Regardless I like her look. She is pretty and has a wonderful set of C cups that are perfectly shaped. A bit like Crina/Krina (Romania) at Oase’s great set of natural C cup breasts.

I see a girl that I know, it is Dodo. She is a local NRW, but not much English. I catch up with her but I do not book her remembering previous experiences with her documented in these posts:

Dodo 770593
Dodo 770573
Dodo 770571
Dodo 766878

Later on sitting at the bar I see the same light brown haired girl wearing the black fish net body stocking and black G string with the magnificent C cup breasts and attractive face. She is sitting on the opposite side of the annex building’s bar. We make occasional eye contact and she gives me a smile. For some odd reason I do not make my move.

A guy comes up to her and chats to her and then eventually moves on. I see that as a bad sign. I just wait and still in a state of indecision.

It is 22:00 and pizza is served. As I had just eaten barbeque food just an hour ago I decline to partake of the pizza serving.

Ocean bear 1 seems to be really enjoying himself. I could see that he is buzzing with the 3 sessions he has had at Villa Vertigo. I recall he had one 1 hour sessions and 2 half hour sessions during our 4.5 hour stay. I can see Ocean bear 1 who is one of my regular travelling companions making Villa Vertigo a regular stop on our tours of German sauna clubs and FKKs. I guess that he needs to convince the Ocean bear 2 who is arriving the next day in FRA to achieve this as Ocean bear 2 has a unique fondness for the Asian ladies especially Thais and Golden Time has a consistent retinue of Thai girls which other clubs do not provide.

I finally see the light brown haired girl in the black fish net body stocking and tony black G string sitting on a couch on her own. I make my excuses with Ocean bear 1 and make a bee line through the Villa Vertigo furniture between the dining area and the bar area in the main part of the house. I approach this beauty and ask her, “Hi, what is your name?”

She looks and me and immediately says, “Busy.”

I think that this is not a good start. I then ask, “No problem, that you are busy, I just would like to know who you are and maybe I can see you another time?”

The girl finally relents and says “Monica.”

I say, “Where are you from?”

Monica says, “Slovakia.”

I go, “Very nice, I like Slovakian girls.” I then turn to leave her.

I return back to Ocean bear 1 and tell him that the girl that I have been having my eye on is called “Busy”.

Less then 15 seconds later another gent comes over and starts chatting to Monica. This guy does not seem to get the same brush off that I got. After a few minutes the man leaves Monica. I guess it is my lack of charm and I am a newbie that I did not get much further having a chat with Monica. Eventually, Monica’s customer comes back from whatever he was doing and joins Monica on the couch. Monica and he chat for quite a while before going to the Zimmer for the rest of the opening hours. I spend a bit of time looking out for Monica the rest of the evening but realize that she is busy with her good customer. I guess this is an incentive for me to come back to Villa Vertigo.

Some pictures of Monica can be found on the Villa Vertigo blog:

http://blog.villavertigo.de/
http://blog.villavertigo.de/ladies/
http://blog.villavertigo.de/nggallery/page-2972/album-7/gallery-93/

As said before I had seen her do several Ijsberen in quick succession giving them in between 10-15 minutes in the room. Then I noted that she was also doing long sessions as well. Where I lost out was not grabbing the bull by the horns when I had the chance and then other guy got hold of Monica and basically booked her out to closing time which was for several hours. I only managed to see Monica again at 00:45 when everyone was about to leave.

So with no other game partners that I liked the look of I felt quite happy to leave Villa Vertigo un-popped. It was now around 00:00.

Sitting at the annex building bar I decided to watch the pole dancing and listen to the DJ play his music and watch the Ijsberen at play. I order some a cappuccino and water. Then the girl sitting next to me on the bar stool makes conversation with me. It turns out that this girl is Tanya and she is from Romania. Her ploy to get me into the room is along the lines of why not babe? I know that you are waiting for your friend to finish up in the room so why do not we also have some fun too. One part of me had alarm bells going off but then another part of me did not want to leave Villa Vertigo not having sampled one of its talents. I ask Tanya if she kisses and that she may end up doing a bit of the work as I was tired. Tanya answered in the affirmative in each case.

Tanya and I then walked over to the main building to find a key. Tanya asked me to wait in the main building lounge while she got ready. Tanya having received a key then had to ask another girl where our room was. I guess that Tanya was new to Villa Vertigo. Tanya led us back to the Annex building where our room was behind the shower and barber suites.

Tanya and I lay out our towels on the mattress and we get down to business.

*** TANYA (ROMANIA) ***

Nationality / languages: Romania / Romanian, German, English
Age: young maybe 19-20
Face: attractive face, pale.
Eyes: brown
Hair/ Length: black / long, worn tied back with some dreads or beaded hair
Size: 1.65 m
Chest: firm B cup
Silhouette / Body: slim / tight body, pale skinned.
Tattoos - Piercings: None that I noticed.
Fellatio: adequate BBBJ, she sucks the head and a bit of the shaft, she holds the base with her hand so she does not deep throat, well, not with me anyway.
Cunnilingus: I did not have the opportunity
Kisses (yes-no): She promised to kiss but did not allow any in the Zimmer
Other features: Sex was okay, but she just lay there in missionary and knelt prone style in doggie.
Would you repeat: NO!!!
Price: 50 €
Extras in the visit: COB finish, no extra charge.

Tanya to me seemed inexperienced or was out for a quick hit and run session with me as she performed the standard service in a robotic fashion. Her blowjob was very weak as she held the base and sucked the head and part of the shaft and actually did not do it for very long before suggesting the condom go on. I requested some kissing prior but this was not offered in the Zimmer. The saving grace was that I did manage to come by going for a COB finish which was for no extra charge. I know this as I only gave her €50 for the session when it came to paying at the locker and she did not ask for more.

My session with Tanya was not the best and put a bit of downer on my evening and experience at Villa Vertigo.

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By now it was very late and it was around 00:40. I looked for Ocean bear 1 and we had our last drinks. For some reason Ocean bear 1 wanted to leave as soon as possible. Maybe he was tired or maybe he just wanted to avoid the usual traffic jam in the locker room at closing time when just about everyone leaving at the same time.

I see Monica (Slovakia) finish up with her customer from 2.5 hours ago but she is whisked off again someplace else then she comes back and is giving good byes to about 6 Dutch Ijsberen who all get a kiss and a fondle of her gorgeous body as a parting good bye. Monica is a busy girl.

*** CONCLUSION ***

I left Villa Vertigo a bit sore that my only session which was with Tanya was disappointing. There were only a few gems that I liked the look of in the line up at Villa Vertigo. At Golden Time it is almost always busy and full but there are usually some girls that I like there and I am happy to wait for them.

Villa Vertigo this night was also busy with more men than women available.

At Villa Vertigo I encountered the astonishing Monica (Slovakia) a pretty brunette. I saw that Monica was pretty and acted aloof to me but I could see that she would be a good session nonetheless due to the attention that she was getting.

The things that I liked were that:
• there was food still at the later hour;
• the pole dancing was entertaining but I see a lot of that at home anyway by professionals who strip full naked; and
• There was a DJ that played some pretty fine tunes for the entertainment of the punters.

The next part of the trip returns me to Oase the next day.

Henio

06-07-09, 23:05

*** Gini of Germany ***
(blonde hair), has an arse of a 8 year old boy, I wanted her in a school girl or nurse’s outfit) €50 for 30 minutes
BBBJ, FS, BBBJ, covered COB
Hey man, how does covered COB work? I would think that is just jerking off into a condom :-)

Great reports as always.

Basketcase

06-07-09, 23:50

Hey man, how does covered COB work? I would think that is just jerking off into a condom :-)

Great reports as always.

Hi Henio,

Yes, Gini (Germany) was totally adverse to getting any sperma on her so she helped me come by jerking me off in the condom "onto" her so to speak. It was the visuals and the mind thinking up that visual that really helps. Imagination goes a long way.

I am just reporting it on how it panned out.

I find the girls at Villa Vertigo not as hardcore as the girls at Golden Time or Oase. Maybe I am picking the wrong ones but I find it a rare girl at Golden Time or Oase that will not take an uncovered CIM/FT finish or a spurt of come on their body somewhere.

Thank you for your positive comment on my trip reports.

Basketcase

06-08-09, 00:01

I spent the next day at Goldentime. Based on very limited experience and number of sessions I did find the ladies at GT generally more attractive and I had better sessions. However ladies come and go and as I liked both clubs I will spend a day at each club during my next adventure.

Hi Zelatrix,

Thank you for your report. It is good to get some recent updates on what has been happening at the Villa Vertigo. One has to go to the French, German and Dutch forums to find it. I am still trying to get to grips with the Italian forum.

Echoing what a Dutch Ijsberen has said today, I find also that the Golden Time line up is much better in terms of quality, also in quantity and because of the quantity there is also availability of girls. Villa Vertigo has its own unique atmosphere and you have to work with the line up. The girls here have a different style than what you find at Oase, World or Golden Time. The girls here are less assertive in hunting for customers.

I think your next adventure in NRW is the one that I am joining you on. At present my vote is for 2 days visit at Golden Time.

Cheers,

Basketcase

Zelatrix

06-09-09, 21:32

Basketcase

06-10-09, 07:42

Quote from BC
I think your next adventure in NRW is the one that I am joining you on. At present my vote is for 2 days visit at Golden Time.

Sir I concur.

Barring something/s unforseen I intend to spend both days of my next expedition at GT. I was disturbed to hear that your lack of 5 Euro notes has led to you being out of pocket. I have a good supply and will exchange some with you when we meet. I just hope that GT isnt to overcrowded.

Interesting observation about the MILFS at VV in evening wear. Cant remmember which gentleman referred to this. I clocked a pair who made the best of themselves by weraing elegant evening dresses. I wasnt sure if they work working ladies on first sight. Anyway I declined there advances as my tastes are much more shallow. Overall they added another dimension and I am sure that a number of gentleman appreciate what they bring to the party.

Good on your Sir.

The reason for the €5 notes is for the €25 extras for CIM and extra half a hour. There has been many a time I have handed over €80 for a €75 session as I did not have the €5 notes. I think it churlish to ask for change and few girls are waiting around to offer the €5 change unless you persist. Maybe there are others here that see it fit to stand and demand €5 change?

So when you maybe doing four sessions and each has some €25 extra element to them then that is an extra €20 spent over the day and when you visit a few times doing the same then it can add up.

Thankfully on my last few trips I have been stocking up on €5 and the excellent thing is the Volksbank ATM in NRN airport that we flu in and out of issues €5 notes!!

It was me that mentioned noting several of the ladies at VV wore full lenght dresses and how that was a contrast to what I usually now expect in a sauna club or FKK. I also mentioned the worrying trend of FKK girls wearing more like mini skirts instead of belts which escalated from the girls being full naked except for shoes. It does tend to be the more mature ladies that wear a bit more.

As for your shallowness. Welcome to the club. For the men that like to fuck with their eyes. I am working on expanding my horizons. Please see my recent Golden Time reports and EL's attempts to help me in that regard. I am still having recurrences going through my mind of the ordeal.

Breadman

06-10-09, 15:21

Thankfully on my last few trips I have been stocking up on €5 and the excellent thing is the Volksbank ATM in NRN airport that we flu in and out of issues €5 notes!!

The bank machine at Fkk World allows you to choose the denominations...don't see why you couldn't select 20 5's if your down that way.

Zelatrix

06-10-09, 21:31

I have been keeping up with your expanded horizon escapades.

For the avoidance of doubt I will neither encourage you to tip toe further down this perilouse path, nor will I be following you.

Little Z has been spoilt and is now a fussy child.

Z

Toki Jo

08-01-09, 23:17

For those mongerers flying into Weeze Airport, VV is approximately 30 minutes drive and using satnav, the place can be found without any problems. Car parking available at the rear, entry fee 50 euros, which includes free beverages, alcoholic drinks and food. At 8:30pm on a Friday evening in July, estimated 40-50 WG's but outnumbered by punters 3 to 1. In my opinion, the standard and quality of software and hardware was higher compared to GT and VV. Free entry offer on Sunday if visiting within last 7 days so represented good value last month. Although not mentioned on their website, overnight stays available but call or email them for discount. Breakfast included when VV opens at 11am and you can even stay until 1pm!!. Oh how I miss delightful Germany!

Bobo.fr

08-11-09, 22:44

As VV is fully booked for this saturday night (August 15th) so I can not book any room as I used to; I should change my destination : for the moment I still keep my train ticket Paris-Brussels-Liege/Luik/Lutich-Aachen (I may easily extend it to reach Koln), can anybody suggest me a club close to these cities, especially those that propose possibilities to get sun bath (thanks to Boomer10 for your answers about Samya at Koln and Babylon at Elsdorf) ?

Duralong

08-21-09, 15:00

Prev:

As I missed VV in my last tour this time I started from here. It was a mostly sunny, quite windy day, so time outside was enjoyable.
The first session of a tour is always critical and most of the time not as good as one desires.

Anja
I decide to break the ice with Anja, a good looking blonde with bright eyes from Poland. 25, 170, nice slim body with accessories. Although I prefer a more curvy type, at least visually, she is really OK.
Her English is limited, but she says yes she kisses, and promises me an intense session. But once in the room what a disappointment! Her kisses are really shallow and she doesn’t let me to do almost anything. No licking and, of course, no fingering, she doesn’t give a BJ either (!), limiting herself to touch rapidly my dick with her tongue, like if she fears to get burned by a more receptive and prolonged contact! Never seen something like this!
In spite of the “excitation of the hungry man” that I have, she is pissing me off, and I start weakening my erection! Seeing this effect and perhaps my expression of disappointment, muting in sadness, she understands she has to concede more, and invite me to touch and lick her pussy, so that I can reanimate the baby and accomplish the mission fucking her in 2 or 3 positions and unload. A few minutes to calm down and it's almost the end of the regular time, there is no point in asking for some social time, so we are out in advance. Shit!
Polish girls are usually good providers, she is the classic exception.

After this bad start I take plenty of time to recover and decide for the next move.
I am particularly attracted by a young pretty girl, but just when I am about to move to her at the bar lounge, another guy approaches her. They talk quite enough, I am waiting patiently, in the hope they would not proceed, but finally they head to a room.
Fortunately they had just a regular session and not a long one, as after 45’ or so I stepped into the guy walking around. He doesn’t have a clearly happy face, so I take the chance to ask him if the girl was good or not. The guy has a clear French accent and he says she was ok, but nothing special, and most of all he didn’t like her “big pussy”. What!? I understood he was complaining not for it being too wide, but just for the appearance. Well, I am a big labia fan, I like pussies that look like flowers, not just like holes :), thus what disappointed the guy is a motive of increased interest for me! I am really curious to see what surprise this girl has there “below”, like the guy said.

Annie
The girl has a girlfriend with whom she is used to spend a lot of time with. According to the French guy they are lesbians for real and not just for acting in couple in trio sessions, that comprise also a lesbian show.
Anyway, I am just interested in her and not in her blonde, bigger mate, and after a while I see finally her alone, sat on a couch. I smile at her, she smiles also, so I step to her. Annie has light brown hair and wide beautiful green/blue eyes, fleshy lips and a cute nose pointing upside, in short, almost a Barbie face. She is not tall, maybe 165, but her body is harmonious and perfectly shaped, curvy as I like, with a round proportionate ass, a small waist and abundant C cups, in short, almost everything a man (at least like me) can desire. She is German, from Dortmund and when she tells me of being 19 I feel my legs shiver. For a while I am feeling like an ogre! Guys, I have almost 3 times her age and taking her is barely legal! But shortly after I realize that, between the two of us, she is the stronger. She could devour easily tens of men like me in a day, isn't it?
She is not a great talker, doesn’t have a vivid and joyful attitude either, but… you cannot have everything. She appears calm and shows a moderate smile, but nevertheless she communicate sweetness. I tell her we could go for a session if she would behave with me like if she were my girlfriend. She says with a smile she will try to do so. She appears sincere and I think she has understood what I intended without need to add more details. I follow her upstairs, with my heart beating fast, staring at her legs over those incredibly high heels and to her round tanned ass, barely covered by her tiny panties.
Once in the room we start slowly, I hug her and we kiss. Fortunately DFK this time, sweet and tender DFK. I start to believe seriously she has understood what I wanted by her. I help her to take her heels of as well as her bikini. I can thus admire her perfectly shaped pointed boobs and finally her… pussy. The French guy had frightened me a little bit, but, as a matter of fact, I like a lot what I see. She has in fact large labia but nothing to be disliked of. DATY and 69 are very much enjoyable. I finger her in search of her G spot but not all women have one, or have localized it, or are enough sensitive there. This appears to be her case. I am eager to fuck her. I will do it in almost any position (at least the main ones :) and each position has a very good part. In CG I like to admire her face as well as her boobs and lick them, in DS to grasp her round ass and seize her small waist, in MS, looking directly in her eyes, it's difficult to maintain self-control. She seems to have her part of enjoyment, or at least she is faking this well. In spite of the impressive external appearance of her pussy, she is tight and she doesn’t allow me to penetrate her all the way in miss, lifting completely her legs, because I hurt her this way. After all she is a young, sweet, little girl and not a man eater!
At about 30’ we have to take a break. I ask for extended time and she says ok. In the 2nd half hour I am decided to come, so I fuck her as hard as I can, without intention of containing myself. I am all sweat. It is in miss, staring at her bright eyes in an apparent languid expression that I feel my body tightening and then shaking from head to feet delivering my load. About 10’ were left for the hour and she was correct to end the time softly with me. I paid her the regular price and she was happy with that.
If all the sessions were like this one… FKK’s would really be a paradise.

I have to regain forces, so fortunately, meal time arrives soon. Then I am not a fast guy. I don’t know how many of you can devour a meal in 2’ and be ready to fuck 2’ later. I have seen this. For me it takes at least 20’ for eating (better if 30’) and in the following 1 or 2 hours digestion usually interferes with my ability to fuck. If blood goes to the stomach can’t go to the dick isn’t it? Well maybe most of you have blood in excess, it’s not my case, and I like to be at 100% of my capacity if I go with a girl, not at 60% or even 90%.

Anyway, time comes that I feel the baby below giving signs of renewed interest in the scene. However the baby is not hungry as before, moreover, as it always happens to me after I have a good session, I become more cautious, because chances of having two good sessions in a row are not so high and I like to leave a place with good memories vivid in my mind.

Dark is advancing and the place is getting more crowded. This usually disturbs me. Some of the girls are very active in hunting preys, while others seem not to care to much of it, preferring to joke among themselves or to gamble at the slot machines.
Annie is available and I am tempted to repeat with her, but, as a confirmation of how YMMV with girls, she rewards me of a quite cold welcome. She is all intent in following a soccer game on TV (weren’t the men doing this once?) where a friend of her (!) is playing.

I am lying on a couch and observe the sultry ass of one of the Romanian girls, sat on her knees on a stool at the bar desk. She is tall and cute, but has an indecent belly, nevertheless the stupid beast below is sensitive to the appeal of that sultry ass and fleshy legs. I fear however it wouldn’t’ be a good fuck. The girl is making too much noise, kidding all the time with her girlfriends or with the guys next to her. She doesn’t concentrate on anybody. I remember I saw her also last October, more or less with the same attitude. I decide to verify this impression, so I exchange some words with her, and this gives me a confirmation. I could not expect from her anything more than a mechanical session.

No other girl I was really interested in. Thus I froze my residual vain desires and decided to call it a day.

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Duralong

08-21-09, 15:10

Prev:

As I was in VV during the week, I got a free entrance for Sunday. Why not to take advantage of this? The only problem is that, like me, some hundreds of mongers have gained the same right…
I am there at the opening and there is a line at the entrance, hmm…. Anyway, it doesn’t cost anything to try at this point.

I have Annie in mind, and I hope to be her first client today and book her for at least 1h!
Once inside I look for her, but I don’t find her. Shit! Some time later I finally find her still having breakfast with her girlfriend.
She doesn’t show a great enthusiasm in seeing me. Hmm… this also contributes to deflate mine. Nevertheless I persist in my purpose.
It comes natural to present myself also to her friend, but this will turn out to be an error. When they are done she asks me if I want to go to a room. Well… yes, of course.
She tells me to wait there and stands up. Her friend chase her. They return with the key and she makes me sign to join her. We pass the door and reach the stair which brings to the rooms, both of them take the “room kit” (sheet + towel) and move towards the stair. At this point I realize they understood I wanted a trio session! I say “Wait, not with both of you!”. They appear surprised and she says “Why not? You will enjoy it, we will also make the lesbian show for you”. I make clear I am not interested in that and that I want a session with just her. They appear disappointed, chat a few seconds and replay “No, today we want to make sessions together”. What? Is she denying me a session!? Yes man, exactly (how often reality goes beyond your imagination!).

Going back to the outside I realized why. The place is packed by bears! Who are continuing to arrive!
The girls today can do what they want, they won’t have to hunt much to get a prey.
At a certain point I observe the scene and I am feeling like being in a gay club!

I hurry up at the locker room, dress myself and gain the exit.
And now? I will go to discover a new place (for me). Route on Acapulco!

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Bobo.fr

08-21-09, 23:08

Actually, these last months, when I spent the saturday night at Villa Vertigo (VV), I used my sunday free entrance just to .... finish quietly my late breakfast (on sunday morning, waking time and so breakfast are later than the other days; I remember once, after 2 nights (friday night and saturday night) spent at the Villa , I was urged to pay for a new entrance or leave when I still had my breakfast plate in front of me !!!).

If I remember well, I only used once this free entrance to have just one sex session (with the Romanian Andra, not Andrea) (it was the sunday where the charming Hungarian Lia with her friend were present for the first time) even if at that time there were not so many clients because the free entrance was reserved only for clients who paid entrance on friday and/or saturday.

The last time I spent my two nights in VV,the free entrance was already extended to clients who paid on the other days, I remembered that the Villa was already full of clients (furthermore, the weather was not so good so most of them stayed inside the Villa) when I've just finished my breakfast (but I should say that I took my breakfast very quietly ), of course I prepared quietly my departure without any attempt to have any sex meeting.

Akibono

08-22-09, 05:15

Iseeu

09-18-09, 02:33

Continued from the GT thread

The comments from 2008 about Villa Vertigo being a club where no sex happens still tend to hold true. Maybe for me, this is the case. I could easily walk out of villa Vertigo not having booked a single lady, but in the end I did just to ensure it was not a wasted visit. On a Tuesday, Villa Vertigo had over 30 women working and at opening at 11:00 there were a dozen women already there. Yes, the girls were pretty, yes, they were available, but somehow they were not available. I could not work it out. Maybe they were waiting for their stammgast. But it just did not seem to be happening. I actually gave feedback to the thekefrau at Villa Vertigo on the way out which is something that I do not really do such was the state of my visit. Just my two cents.
I made a detour on my way from Holland to NRW in June after VV began getting more positive reports here. It was my first time back since my premiere visit (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=755175&postcount=48) the previous year, shortly after they opened, when I vowed not to go back until the reports became more positive.
I just could not get a handle on what was going on. It was just depressing. Those of you who have met me know that I like to let my hair down at these clubs, get relaxed, have a good time. Hard to do here. Other than the prowlers who don't take no for an answer, it was difficult to start up a conversation with any of the girls.
Some of the SP are pretty and there was certainly a better selection than in my last visit. I like the facility, especially since they fixed the problem of the locker room area, but the split between the main house and the newer bar contact area makes it hard to get a clear picture of what's going on. It's less of an issue on warm days most of the action moves to the great outdoor deck/pool area.
But once again, I saw very few couples going off to rooms, and of course there was no public action. It just seemed that there was no sex going on at this sex club. I found a pretty petite blonde Lithuanian whose smile captivated me, but the session was dispirited and more like just going through the motions for the both of us.
Won't be going back. There are just so many better options.

Capt Dan

09-19-09, 03:37

Thanks for the update Iseeu. Your report along with what Basketcase has to say suggest that VV is a place to definitely miss! I certainly will be giving VV a wide berth anyway!

CD

Continued from the GT thread

I made a detour on my way from Holland to NRW in June after VV began getting more positive reports here. It was my first time back since my premiere visit (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=755175&postcount=48) the previous year, shortly after they opened, when I vowed not to go back until the reports became more positive.
I just could not get a handle on what was going on. It was just depressing. Those of you who have met me know that I like to let my hair down at these clubs, get relaxed, have a good time. Hard to do here. Other than the prowlers who don't take no for an answer, it was difficult to start up a conversation with any of the girls.
Some of the SP are pretty and there was certainly a better selection than in my last visit. I like the facility, especially since they fixed the problem of the locker room area, but the split between the main house and the newer bar contact area makes it hard to get a clear picture of what's going on. It's less of an issue on warm days most of the action moves to the great outdoor deck/pool area.
But once again, I saw very few couples going off to rooms, and of course there was no public action. It just seemed that there was no sex going on at this sex club. I found a pretty petite blonde Lithuanian whose smile captivated me, but the session was dispirited and more like just going through the motions for the both of us.
Won't be going back. There are just so many better options.

Basketcase

09-19-09, 12:52

I just could not get a handle on what was going on. It was just depressing. Those of you who have met me know that I like to let my hair down at these clubs, get relaxed, have a good time. Hard to do here. Other than the prowlers who don't take no for an answer, it was difficult to start up a conversation with any of the girls. Some of the SP are pretty and there was certainly a better selection than in my last visit. I like the facility, especially since they fixed the problem of the locker room area, but the split between the main house and the newer bar contact area makes it hard to get a clear picture of what's going on. It's less of an issue on warm days most of the action moves to the great outdoor deck/pool area. But once again, I saw very few couples going off to rooms, and of course there was no public action. It just seemed that there was no sex going on at this sex club. Won't be going back. There are just so many better options.

Iseeu,

I have made several visits to Villa Vertigo this year throughout the European summer and the place just does not do it for me. Like you I found it incredibly hard to make contact with a SP. To attract a SP that you have your eye on you would wink, smile, move close to where she sits and then eventually frustrated go up to her and stand in her face and ask her can I join you and she still does not react. At other clubs you have the girls practically fucking you on the couch but here the SP just do not want to work it seems. I did not come across any SP that would not leave you alone.

VV is like a sex club or brothel where no sex happens. Girls just sat around looking bored. The punters also sat or stood around looking bored too. There was the voloume of girls and quality of girl looks and facilities to make this a viable option for punters on the NRW route but somehow it was not working.

I ended up reading my book in the new wing bar area, taking saunas, and then fell asleep on a couch. The blond thekefrau was nice enough to ask me if I slept well when I woke up eventually.

The food spread was really good though. It was a civilised buffet affair which you ate at leisure. There was food available throughout the evening. So in that respect it gets points over Golden Time that runs out of food and so creates a scrum for when the food is served.

The spa baths in the middle of the new wing bar lounge area still makes me laugh. They have to be filled up for each use and then drained when the punter gets out. What a waste of water.

Also found a number of SP did not perform BBBJ but CBJ so that really puts a downer on the services. I really like my BBBJ and demand it now when asked if I would like CBJ or BBBJ.

Similar to you Iseeu, I like the Villa Vertigo facilties and I wish that they had a Kino still which would increase the score and if they fixed the spa bath situation but it is off the visit list for me too, for now.

Chukar

09-20-09, 12:39

John64

09-21-09, 14:10

I have not been there for a long time, it was my first visit this year. I wanted to see if anything had changed since I was there (on opening day) and of course I was interested in the girls.

When I arrived around 1 pm there were about 5 cars on the parking, and when I entered the theke-frau still recognized me and asked me why I haven't been there for such a long time.

At the moment of my arrival I guess there were between 10 and 15 girls, most of them sitting in the smokers-area.

I had some breakfust, which was good but eggs and bacon. And started to check out the girls. I spotted 2 goodlooking girls. And tried to approach one very hot girl.

me: hi, do you speak english
she: no
me: bist du deutsche?
she: nein
me: woher komst du?
she: polen
me : und wie heist du?
she: NathalieThen she stood up and walked away. Damn. Because she was the hottest girl. You can see her pics on the VV-blog.

This day I had 2 sessions, both with rumanian girls. The first one I had for half an hour and I wanted to extend, but because she asked 50 for the second half hour, I declined.

The second girl, named Inez was really porn. Deepthroat sucking and a lot of fucking. I saw her the day after, and thought to myself. Man you must have been really drunk yesterday.

Basketcase

09-21-09, 22:26

I have also visited VV back in March at the suggestion of an Icebear friend. My experience was very similar to BCs and Iseeu. Some very good looking women but they had no interest in going to the room. The one I want especially interested in said she was tired.

In my case what made the stay worse was the foor was terrible. Good thing my hotel offered snacks in the bar.

Chukar,

One incident during my visits stood out. Nathalie is a Polish girl, slim, blond, blue eyed and perfect C cup breasts that are high and full shaped with legs that go on forever. She wore just a little skirt that hid nothing and went topless showing off her magnificent breasts. As John64 said, she was one of the hottest girls at Villa Vertigo and her pictures are on the Villa Vertigo blog - just look for Polish Nathalie. I noted that she was just sitting around doing nothing all morning and into the early afternoon. She spent 90% of her time playing on the poker machine in the old wing bar area.

I had had a session with dark haired Kinga (Poland) who the ijsberen recommend and yes she is alright. I then sat around moping with Kinga at the new wing's bar.

I said to Kinga, "there is a pretty blond girl that I had my eye on in the old wing".
Kinga said, "I know who you are talking about. She is really pretty. She is Polish. I know. She is like all the girls here are bored since there are no customers and nothing is happening. Go and ask her for a booking. You will be fine."
I thanked Kinga and walked off to the old wing to find the gorgeous blond of fantasy.

Strenghtened by Kinga's recommendation and confidence that it was a sure thing to get a booking with this dreamy long legged blond.

When Nathalie was NOT dutilfully propping up the poker machine and sitting on a couch, I went up to her and her other blond Polish friend and had a chat to introduce ourselves and then I asked Nathalie if she was free. Nathalie replied no she was not free. I was a bit stunned especially after Kinga's recommendation. Nathalie smirked and me and her Blond Polish friend just grinned at me. Nathalie and her blond Polish friend just sat on their couch and looked at me. So I said, "okay" and walked off.

I was crestfallen. I did not feel right the rest of the day. I am sensitive like that. I hated being in Villa Vertigo after that rejection. I had no issue with the club itself but somehow you associate the SP with the club and the experience. I moped even more while I was in the club trying to recover from the blow.

For the next 8 hours that I was in the club I did not see Nathalie take one single customer. She just sat in the old wing bar area playing on the poker machine ignoring all the men that were looking at her and probably desiring her but were acting too cool to approach her. Nathalie did not look at me at all or any other customers. It was like she was avoiding contact with anyone except her blond Polish girl friend who was no where as hot as Nathalie was.

I explained to the thekefrau when I left that my one critic was that Nathalie be a little more diplomatic. I commended to the Thekefrau Kinga (Poland) and Ramona (Romana) and blond Paula (Romania)

So John64, I had similar experiences to you.

Sky Ryder

09-22-09, 04:16

I must say that all of this "bad" news about VV is a big diappointment. Two of the best FKK experiences in the last 18 mths for me have come at VV. One was a little French girl (Cherry) and the other a local Dusseldorf girl that was spectacular.
I really like the facility, while a bit quirky, I enjoyed it. I have spent the night on occasion, but do recall a number of the ladies seeming to be disinterested.
I guess now I will have to look for another NSW place to enjoy.
The one thing I really like about VV is it seems like a "small" FKK, but has the choices of a much larger one. That will be hard to replace.
Thanks for the updates gents

Sky

N O R E

09-22-09, 04:27

Yeah, it really is quite sad to hear these non-stop reports about the lack of action at VV. All things considered, Im glad I took a pass on this place last year and spent it at GT instead.

I was considering giving it a try this time around, but thanks to folks like BC taking one of for the team, I've crossed it off my list.

Basketcase

09-22-09, 07:45

This day I had 2 sessions, both with rumanian girls. The first one I had for half an hour and I wanted to extend, but because she asked 50 for the second half hour, I declined.

The second girl, named Inez was really porn. Deepthroat sucking and a lot of fucking. I saw her the day after, and thought to myself. Man you must have been really drunk yesterday.Hi John64,

I had not realised that the €50 per half hour had infiltrated Villa Vertigo. It would appear that your first Romanian SP has got the Golden Time malaise and charging the €100 per hour tariff. It is her prerogative. My only one hour session when I visited Villa Vertigo several times has been with Ramona (Romania) and it was €75 for one hour. I cannot recall any other SP bringing up the €100 per hour tariff.

If some SPs that I have heard have moved from Golden Time to Villa Vertigo like Scherin (Croatia) and at times Romina (Romania) are working there then yes they do charge €100 per hour to some customers.

With your second Romanian SP Inez, why was she on the first day really porn with deepthroat BBBJ and deep fucking and then on the second day you were regretting it? Did you have beer goggles on ( and realised that you had fucked a minger?

PS

Beer goggles = vision and judgment impaired by self induced alcohol consumption, generally associated with changed perception for the better when viewing women's attractiveness.

Minger = a not very attractive woman

Rigoleto

10-17-09, 11:58

I have been there last Thursday, arrived early and have one hour sesion with a German girl, Euros 75, then another nice sesion with a Romanian girl and finally one disater sesion with another Romanian girl which a should not have.

I don't understan why people claim is difficult to have sex there I spent more of the time declining sex invitations. Althougt to be realistic there were 2 11 girls that they even not respond to my Hello, just ignored me I gess they hang with regulars only.

By the way installation is by far the best I have visit in this week trip (GT, LR, GT) althought for girls GT is the winner soo far even I found most fiendly people at GT (dutch guys)

Basketcase

10-18-09, 00:20

I don't understan why people claim is difficult to have sex there I spent more of the time declining sex invitations. Althougt to be realistic there were 2 11 girls that they even not respond to my Hello, just ignored me I gess they hang with regulars only. Rigoleto,

I am not claiming, I am saying so from first hand experience on more than one visit to Villa Vertigo that it is difficult to engage women at Villa Vertigo to arrange a sexual encounter.

I know I am not the most charming of guys or the most blessed in the looks department. So that might be it.

Skristel

10-18-09, 21:58

Went to VV on Saturday 17th and had a superb time with a girl called Elaina, she said she was mixed race German and Turkish.

In the room she was very friendly, eager to please, sex was fantastic, lots of deep penetration, moaning and slow rthymn. Highly recommend!

Rigoleto

10-27-09, 00:08

Rigoleto,

I am not claiming, I am saying so from first hand experience on more than one visit to Villa Vertigo that it is difficult to engage women at Villa Vertigo to arrange a sexual encounter.

I know I am not the most charming of guys or the most blessed in the looks department. So that might be it.Well I am not also Brad Pitt

But I gess I am easy target, alone, face of good guy, looking at all girls as I was in heaven.

Marlow

11-04-09, 18:33

It would appear that your first Romanian SP has got the Golden Time malaise and charging the €100 per hour tariff.

I take this to mean that you are being ripped-off? In other words you are told that a session costs 100 Euros and not a penny less? Otherwise 100 for an hour is indeed the going rate and you have no reason for calling it a malaise.

If you are told the starting price is 100 and you accept, they are taking you for a mug. I had a similar experience at Finca but would have nothing of it and paid 50.

Again I am surprised at the equaminity that mongers here take to being ripped off in Germany, if that is the case. The natives don't stand for it and neither should we.

Ortos

11-04-09, 21:35

If you are told the starting price is 100 and you accept, they are taking you for a mug. I had a similar experience at Finca but would have nothing of it and paid 50.

Again I am surprised at the equaminity that mongers here take to being ripped off in Germany, if that is the case. The natives don't stand for it and neither should we.

Just trying to get a clear idea of what you are saying: Are you saying that these rip-off girls target non-natives, ie. those who don't speak German, but would not try this pricing trick on local native-speaking Germans? Is that the correct reading...? If so this is an interesting point...Thus, if somebody could speak passable German or otherwise pass themselves off as a local, they would get quoted a lower price?

Thanks for the clarifications...

Ortos

Thanks

Marlow

11-05-09, 14:17

My reading of this board is that yes, girls do see timmy tourist coming and assume he is easy picking and start upping the ante, such as kissing is extra, waiting for a room is another 50 and so on. And as many don't know any better they happily open their wallets and say 'help yourself'.
The standard rate in an FKK clubs is 50 per half hour or however soon you climax. Therefore scamming you into an hour as you enter the room and then finishing you off within 20 minutes is in effect earning themselves double time. You are paying 100 for a half hour session.

There is no cheaper price than 50 for the half hour, even if that half hour last ten minutes.

If you are scammed into agreeing to an hour and oh dearie me, you come over all tumescent before even half an hour is up you can insist on stayin in the room for the full time you have paid for. What the two of you will do is up to you but getting another bang would be considered by her out of the question. Play canasta or something to pass the time.

My other impression is that there are those who like to flash the cash and doll out money. The name of the game is money but to me the onyl difference in service between Daddy Cash and Johnny Cool is that D C runs out of money sooner.

Italians are famed for being so entranced with German FKK clubs, so grateful that it is a fraction of what they have to shell out in Mama's home town for a bit of tail, that they throw money around and the girls love it. (Please no letters if you're Italian).

Bujt Ortos you have ove a thousand reports to your name, you must know how it works?

Yes, if you speak German say you live in Germany, then they will think twice about ripping you off, as none of them wants a bad report on a German website. By and large what do they care are about an English site - very little.

Tipping is a grey area. Germans do give girls drink money but we are taking maybe five or ten Euros. I never tip.

And frankly, all these forums whether English or German are proof enough if anyone needs it that men think with their dicks and switch the other one off. This is harsh but true, and the reason why TT gets taken for a ride.

Finally read my report on Alexandra in Finca. Now, this was a scam artist at work. I always check the time when I go into the room and this little vixen attempted to say that the half hour was up after twenty minutes. But as I always check my watch when they aren't looking (as they go through the door ahead of me) she thought I didn't know...well, the time of day if you like!

Uhclem

11-05-09, 16:11

Ortos

11-05-09, 19:16

Bujt Ortos you have ove a thousand reports to your name, you must know how it works?

Yes, Marlow: I know very well the rules and parameters of the FKK game. LOL! I really wasn't asking for a lecture in FKK basics 101. The themes you cover are too familiar to me already and I already have firm opinions on subjects like tipping and avoiding traps, many of which I've posted numerous times in rather boring diatibes that we enthusiasts tend to dish out like Moses dictating to the stone.

I was simply asking you for clarification of your comment in an earlier post, about whether you think guys who speak English in the FKKs are more likely to be hit by rip-off scams, which is something I've long known to be the case. So thanks for clearing that up in the first sentence. The rest is interesting reading indeed, if completely unsolicited, but thanks for your insight.

It is worth noting, however, that there are many men who speak English in German FKKs who are not "tourists" as you call them. Germany in general, D-dorf in particular, can be classed as places of international business and thus there is a large community of business and other types who inhabit the area and might be frequent customers to these clubs.

Marlow

11-06-09, 10:04

I'm glad we agree as there are those of more tender sensibilities who would take umbrage at the notion of tourists being ripped off. It happens in ordinary life so why not in a sex club. I mean., I wouldn't go to Mexico city for example without my pancho, stick-on moustache and Mexican deo!

I'm against living in a country and behaving like an ex-pat, first by not speaking the language and second failing to take part in their culture, grim as it can be in Germany, especially Carnival. Not for nothing are the Brits in Spain known as the local 'Pakis' (again please no letters if you are of Indian origin fellow mongers).

Marlow

11-06-09, 10:07

twice to Everest in the hour...you are lucky if a girl let's that happen usually the try everything to make sure its only once.
And without 'oxygen'..its a notable achievement!

Villa Vertigo

11-06-09, 11:10

Greeting everyone,

I would like to give some explanations here concerning the prices of the girls. All girls in Villa Vertigo and in all other clubs work on their own. None of the club owner or manager will officially advise a pricing because this would be "Förderung der Prostitution" and the girls would be treated officially as employees. This would mean the club has to pay tax for the money the girls earn. That is impossible!

Nevertheless one general pricing is common. € 50, 00 per half hour and between € 75, 00 and € 100, 00 per full hour. Kissing is an option but NO payable extra! Because of the fact that many good and beautiful girls prefer to work in clubs where they can charge € 100, 00 per full hours we offer them the option to choose between € 75, 00 and € 100, 00. But they must tell the guests BEFORE the room.

I advise the girls at our reception to ask the guests if everything was ok, if problems are mentioned we have the option to work against. It is totally normal, that some girls try to make more money then others and this is not a problem of Villa Vertigo. Those girls move from one club to the next because after a short time none of the guest will go with them any longer.

It is of course also possible to talk with the girls before about her pricing. If she asks € 100, 00 tell her all other girls do it for € 75, 00 and I am sure that she will agree to € 75, 00 also!

I would like to give here and now my very personal opinion and experience because I used to go in clubs 2-3 times per week before opening the Villa. What are € 50, 00 or € 100, 00 for full hour including BJ without condom and sex with condom? Additional most girls do kiss and do more. THIS IS NOTHING compared to the pricing in other countries! I have given every good girl after the room always a little more then they asked. And what happened next time?

When I entered the club next time all girls smiled at me and wanted to go in the room with me because this girls told all others that I gave her a tip! And the room itself. When it was good last time, this time it was outstanding!

Why should it be different in a saunaclub then with any other service? If you give a good tip in a restaurant you will get the best table and the best service at your next visit. But this is only my personal opinion and experience.

The only thing I would like to ask the guests of Villa Vertigo: if something was not ok or correct, please tell the receptionist or ask for me. For sure we will solve all problems as good as possible. Additional I appreciate an email and then I will take personally care of everything:

Stephan

Happy Fkk

11-07-09, 01:26

Hi, interesting post.

None of the club owner or manager will officially advise a pricing because this would be "Förderung der Prostitution" and the girls would be treated officially as employees. This would mean the club has to pay tax for the money the girls earn. That is impossible! It's rather common that a club has a pricing policy. Pricing is a way to actract / filter poor or rich customers (and all possible levels between).

As a 'not rich' customer, I like to know a little what it will cost me AND what I will have, without asking thousand questions to each girl, a good way to start a bad trip for me.

Nevertheless one general pricing is common. € 50, 00 per half hour and between € 75, 00 and € 100, 00 per full hour. Kissing is an option but NO payable extra!Ok, impossible but rather common. Since 2 years, I heard more and more girls who wants more and more money while also doing less and less. If there's no common pricing ans services, this is jungle, and you and girls will loose 'common' but fair customers.

As someone quoted on another forum. 50 per half hour is a base, and clearly not enough to avoid the shark attitude. So I would prefer 50 per around half hour for sex, blow job without condom, kissing, 69, gentle fingering. If the girl desagree, she has to explain her services and price: no kiss, 1 minute blow job, blow job with condom. But she has to know that for me it's a brain taking, unless it's good news: DFK, Deepthroat, anulingus, ass fingering, .

What is a mistake for me is that girls think they worth more than the old fees for 1 hour but still aggree for the old 50 euros per half (not really in fact, they tend to 50 per quarter, stopping the session with bad attitude if necessary). So the girl who will ask 80 / 50 instead of 50 / 25 will be more honnest. The first half hour she worth the same has others but on the second, difficult to explain, she worth twice than others.

I advise the girls at our reception to ask the guests if everything was ok, if problems are mentioned we have the option to work against.Frankly, it's not easy to tell about bad session. The girls are in general more professionnal than us to contest and they 'often' know the staff and tips. And I don't tell you about shining rich custumers, ready to tell you 50, 100, 200 euros is nothing, and if it is you're a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off. Charming atmosphere for 50 euros entry.

It is totally normal, that some girls try to make more money then others and this is not a problem of Villa Vertigo. Those girls move from one club to the next because after a short time none of the guest will go with them any longer.Moving from club to club is a sign of bad / minimum services for me. But I admit that some guys like doll service: A girl is a hole, sometimes 2 holes or 3 holes, nothing else. It's not what I'm searching for. I understand it's 'easier' for girls to do nothing, but they avoid a lot of gentle and shy guys.

It is of course also possible to talk with the girls before about her pricing. If she asks € 100, 00 tell her all other girls do it for € 75, 00 and I am sure that she will agree to € 75, 00 also! What I can see these last mounths is if a club has unclear policy, the girls can easely talk together (they are here every day) and decide the price of the club, and sometimes for each individual client. They tell me for example: we know you're rich, so 100 euros is nothing. Strange, I'm naked in the club, nothing shiny on me at all (I have nothing like that). So I only have an old Volkswagen, I finally pay 100 euros and a guy I met at the car park with a all new bentley pay 75 euros. Who are they to know who we are?

I would like to give here and now my very personal opinion and experience because I used to go in clubs 2-3 times per week before opening the Villa. What are € 50, 00 or € 100, 00 for full hour including BJ without condom and sex with condom? Additional most girls do kiss and do more. THIS IS NOTHING compared to the pricing in other countries! I have given every good girl after the room always a little more then they asked. And what happened next time? Two things:

1- First thing I noticed is that money doesn't care for you. Let me tell you it's not common, if you can ear it. You can tell tell me this kind of clubs are only for 'rich people'. So, as you noticed, 50, 100 euros is not a lot. Probably enough to filter for very poor people, but is affordable for a lot of people. Personnaly, what I don't understand is why rich people are coming in such affordable places, not that people who can afford only 100 or 200 euros cares for what they will have. So accepts that your clubs is not an exclusive one, or change your common prices: at least 500 euros per half hour and yes it will start to be exclusive. But you and girls should remenber that these customers asks for the top, not service like 'dead girl' or crapy toilets.

2- 50 euros per hour in a comfortable place, with gentle customers is REALLY A BIG DEAL compared to what girls can have to do in other countries! Sometimes girls should be reminded this.

3- I add a third one. All the good girls earn by far more money than me so if someone is to be protected, it's me, as far as I'm respectfull.

When I entered the club next time all girls smiled at me and wanted to go in the room with me because this girls told all others that I gave her a tip! And the room itself. When it was good last time, this time it was outstanding! I was doing it before (and poorly still a little bit), until the girls tend to ask the tip before the session in changing themseleves the price of the place.

Why should it be different in a saunaclub then with any other service? If you give a good tip in a restaurant you will get the best table and the best service at your next visit. But this is only my personal opinion and experience.In restaurants I go, there's a menu with stable prices. I think official stable prices is an essential part of a best service. But this is only my personal opinion and experience.

The only thing I would like to ask the guests of Villa Vertigo: if something was not ok or correct, please tell the receptionist or ask for me. For sure we will solve all problems as good as possible. Additional I appreciate an email and then I will take personally care of everything:

StephanI won't. I don't want a special care because I would be a 'friend' of the boss. I prefer have a good stay without fight, bad meetings and so on. My life is already plenty of.

Philippe.

Note: english is not my language. So maybe sometimes I am not understandable. I'm quite sure there's only clever gentlemen here, so welcome me.

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Ortos

11-07-09, 07:30

Greeting everyone,

Why should it be different in a saunaclub then with any other service? If you give a good tip in a restaurant you will get the best table and the best service at your next visit. But this is only my personal opinion and experience.

The only thing I would like to ask the guests of Villa Vertigo: if something was not ok or correct, please tell the receptionist or ask for me. For sure we will solve all problems as good as possible. Additional I appreciate an email and then I will take personally care of everything:

Stephan

Thanks, Stephan for your commentary. Two points:

1. Tipping in Fkks: You seem to recommend this and encourage us to tip your girls. However, most experienced Fkkers, like the majority of the senior members of this and other boards, find tipping girls after the session a dispicable practice to be sternly avoided. It is not in harmony with the spirit of what goes on here. My own opinion (and perhaps other members here can chime in for/against what I say) is that if you are esp enthralled with a girl's attitude/performance etc during a session, the best way to reward this is NOT BY TIPPING, but by booking her for another session (instead of giving your business to a new, untried girl) or extending the session time with the girl. Tipping is often a sign that you are an FKK newbie and, just like speaking native English without any knowledge of German (cf. comments of Marlow on this thread below), invites girls to attempt to take advantage of you in other ways. Stephan: You want to impress the girls: Be kind, respectfull, clean and courteous to the girls you session with and book the girls regularly with good session times. This for me is better than tipping. Or if you prefer the street vernacular: Tipping is for chumps, man... Of course, if you, as manager, want to give the girls a bonus (out of our entrance fees), go right ahead and do it! We encourage you to tip the girls for us...

2. About your last paragraph concerning the managment sorting out problems or dealing with complaints from your paying customers: Not to rake up old, rotten leaves from the lower soil horizons, but: Am I mistaken or are you are the manager who threw some of your paying customes out of the club, when they complained that you had a photographer taking photographs of the club customers sitting around the pool for your own promotional reasons? Is this not true? I personally would hesitate to bring to your attention anything I found disagreeable or objectionable, for fear that you would tell me to clean out my locker and leave...without even refunding my Eintritt.

Ortos

Italian Buz

11-07-09, 12:20

Thanks, Stephan for your commentary. Two points:

1. Tipping in Fkks: You seem to recommend this and encourage us to tip your girls. However, most experienced Fkkers, like the majority of the senior members of this and other boards, find tipping girls after the session a dispicable practise to be sternly avoided. It is not in harmony with the spirit of what goes on here. My own opinion (and perhaps other members here can chime in for/against what I say) is that if you are esp enthralled with a girls attitude/performance etc during a session, the best way to reward this is NOT BY TIPPING, but by booking her for another session (instead of giving your business to a new, untried girl) or extending the session time with the girl. Tipping is often a sign that you are an FKK newbie and, just like speaking native English without any knowledge of German (cf. Comments of Marlow on this thread below), invites girls to attempt to take advantage of you in other ways. Stephan: You want to impress the other girls: Be kind, respectfull, clean and courteous to the girls you session with and book the girls regularly with good session times. This for me is better than tipping. Or if you prefer the street vernacular: Tipping is for chumps, man.

2. About your last paragraph concerning the managment sorting out problems or dealing with complaints from your paying customers: Not to rake up old, rotten leaves from the lower soil horizons, but: Am I not mistaken that you are the manager who threw some of your paying customes out of the club, when they complained that you had a photographer taking photographs of the club customers sitting around the pool for your own promotional reasons? Is this not true? I personally would hesitate to bring to your attention anything I found disagreeable or objectionable, for fear that you would tell me to clean out my locker and leave. Without even refunding my Eintritt.

OrtosHi,

Wise words Ortos, thanks!

In my opinion you made the point. I am relatively new to FKK as far as I started my experience in this world only since 1, 5 year.

Anyhow I am traveling since I was 18 in every country where P4P is a normal fact (from East European Countries till Far East) so I developed quite a good experience and I stay far away from the P4P scene in my country.

Anyway, here are my two cents for the discussion as far as mine are the words of someone who was a newbie just a short time ago. As Ortos says, I always try to be polite, nice and never show bad habits. This for two reasons: first because I treat people as I would like to be treated, I am very aggressive in my business field but I do not see any reason to do that with a girl I want to share a room with and second because a good relationship with a girl I like will be profitable for both. I will always be back to her and she knows I am a good and nice guy. Of course, on my side I take advantage of the fact I speak some German.. I can understand and honestly agree with what Marlow says about my conationals even if I would like to underline that this forum is an example of how not all are the same..

I never paid a tip to a girl, even to my clearly favorites who know me since long, or accepted prices different from the usual 50/75-100. I also usually try to stick to the girls who still practice the 75€/hour rate, with a few exceptions (sigh! ). This not only because I am not in the rich category but because I try hard to preserve the market from an inflactive effect.

As Ortos says the best way of tipping and of having better sessions in the room is to come back to the girl or prolong the session. I took this philosophy since the beginning from what has been written by the senior members of this forum like Ortos, BC, TB69, Toscana, EL, Angus etc. And I can confirm it works. It worked also, I still remember, the first time in my life I entered in a FKK and it was Oase.. Try to think about a young guy from my country who has never been in an FKK entering in Oase on a late summer Saturday evening..

That said, being usually a customer who spends at least 10hours in a club per day I usually like to observe the behaviors of the other customers and I must say that who usually tip girls are mainly German and regular customers. I do not know if this is because they get extras or what else but for sure I know, for having discussed that with different girls, that girls like the way of building fidelity in the way Ortos explained. If a girl sees you and knows you are a good client and you will repeat it is much better than having 10/20€ tip. The tip just points you out as a chump before the girl, returning proves that the girl proved herself good in building fidelity and customer satisfaction. And in my experience, as Stephan said, the girls speak to each other but not only about tipping instead about if you were a good client also under other aspects and I have the evidence of that because in some cases when my favorites where not in the club some of their friends came to talk to me because they knew who I was (a good client) even if I never gave one cent more than the price of the session.

I close my likely useless post just saying thanks to all the senior members of this forum for being wise and so helpful for all the newbie like I was (and still am! ).

Ciao,

ITB

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Capt Dan

11-07-09, 19:15

Greeting everyone, I would like to give some explanations here concerning the prices of the girls.... Additional I appreciate an email and then I will take personally care of everything:StephanAppreciate you taking the time to post on this board buddy. Good to hear from one of the guys that run these FKK establishments. Gotta tell you that it seems that VillaVertigo is a bit of a no go club with a bad reputation, at least as far as I can make out from reading the posts from many esteemed mongers who regularly feature on this site. From what I can make out VV offers some very good facilites BUT (big but) the attitude of the women in your joint leaves a lot to be desired! I've never ventured as far as VillaVertigo because you get such lousy reviews here from the guys. Good on ya for posting here, but ya got a lot to do to turn peoples oppinion.

CD

Ortos

11-07-09, 22:24

If a girl sees you and knows you are a good client and you will repeat it is much better than having 10/20€ tip. The tip just points you out as a chump before the girl, returning proves that the girl proved herself good in building fidelity and customer satisfaction. And in my experience, as Stephan said, the girls speak to each other but not only about tipping instead about if you were a good client also under other aspects and I have the evidence of that because in some cases when my favorites where not in the club some of their friends came to talk to me because they knew who I was (a good client) even if I never gave one cent more than the price of the session.

ITB

Very well said. You make some strong and valuable points here. And you express yourself very well in English, even thought this is not your mother tongue. I compliment and salute you: Bravo, paesano!

And btw: Having read your reports, it is clear you are no FKK newbie...

Ortos

Bobo.fr

11-07-09, 23:41

1) We can give tips AND try to book again the same ladies for long sessions : in general, if I'm satisfied by a service (it may be a restaurant, a barber shop too) I can give tips AND come back ; Tips don't exclude to come back.

2) Of course, it's just my personal opinion and personal behavior.

3) Don't think that's it's so easy to book (again) a lady : I saw Sky for the first time in December 2008 and I could "go to room" with her for the first (and last) time only on May 2009 and now she stops working !

4) It's why, I often found that I wasted my time in a sauna-club because the appointment system (that I use with http://www.kamilla-dee.com in Berlin) does not really fit with the "so called" sauna-club "philosophy".
Villa Vertigo tried to propose it but apparently it did not really work : I think that VV did not really work as KD did ( when a client asks for a lady, KD calls the lady and then tells to the client if the meeting will be possible or not and what will be possible alternatives (another time or another day) for the meeting ... etc .. so, that needs a lot of work !!!)

Toki Jo

11-08-09, 00:06

In my experience when visiting VV earlier this year, I found the place to be the cleanest establishment with quality hardware and software merchandise when compared with nearby Golden Time and Living Room. I guess we are all different.

Capt Dan

11-08-09, 02:28

Buddy. Villa Vertigo gets few complaints on the grounds of cleanliness. It also gets few complaints about the eye candy quality of the women. Problem is the eye candy appears to have attitude problems. To compare VV with GoldenTime which is without doubt the busiest and most popular club in the area seems to me to be stupid! GT aint popular for no reason!

In my experience when visiting VV earlier this year, I found the place to be the cleanest establishment with quality hardware and software merchandise when compared with nearby Golden Time and Living Room. I guess we are all different.

Villavertigo

11-10-09, 20:32

Of course everybody made his own experiences in Saunaclubs and with the girls working there. I just wanted to point out the problems for the Saunaclub itself to advise girls working exactly to certain rules. About the various problems with the girls their selves I do not want to start to write because I would not stop today ;-)

About given a tip to the girls this is my personal opinion that I wrote. Additional I can count my bad experiences in Saunaclubs with one hand. So most of my experiences with the girls have been full of pleasure. Because of the fact that I also have a look also behind the curtain I know how many of the girls think about this issue. This was the reason to post in this forum.

Additional I am not happy if clients of the Villa have bad experiences with girls that work there. This was the second reason to write this post. Only with the help of the clients I am able to work against these girls that are not welcome in Villa Vertigo.

For all those who do not want to talk to the receptionist, please send an email to me and for sure I will take care of every problem.

[Email address deleted by Admin]

Stephan

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Beffen1

11-11-09, 11:02

Plover 23

11-11-09, 22:34

Stephan,

I respect your sincerity in contributing to a forum such as this, I wish all club owners were so accountable.

I have only visited VV once, in the frozen snows of this January.

I have great respect and empathy for the vision that you had in creating the club. There is no club "concept" I would wish to succeed better than your own. The quality, and flair, shown in the fittings, the wellness facilities, and the rooms is exemplary. You have turned into reality what I would consider to be a perfect vision of a true Gentlemans' Spa.

Your imaginative use of the internet is way beyond that of your competitors.

But, and obviously there was going to be a "but", you just were not able to attract the range and quality of girls to make my day a success. When I left at the end of the day I mentioned my disappointment to your receptionist. She replied that the weather and time of year meant that many girls stayed away. It was fair comment, except that the next day I went to GT and it was full of their usual quality of girls.

I know that there is not a lot that you can easily do to develop a "positive spiral" of more and better girls leading to more customers leading to more girls etc.

I wish you every success for the future. After reading your posts here I will promise to try VV again. I hope you can make it work.

With best wishes

PL

Uhclem

11-11-09, 23:49

But, and obviously there was going to be a "but", you just were not able to attract the range and quality of girls to make my day a success. When I left at the end of the day I mentioned my disappointment to your receptionist. She replied that the weather and time of year meant that many girls stayed away. It was fair comment, except that the next day I went to GT and it was full of their usual quality of girls.I have to agree with Plover. I've been to Villa Vertigo four times over the year. The quality of the club is outstanding, heads and shoulders nicer than PHG or Golden Time. The quality of the girls was hit and miss. On one of my visits, I left without going upstairs with a girl becuase of the lack of talent. Hoping it improves.

Capt Dan

11-12-09, 02:35

Stephan,

IT sounds to me that you have the facilities in place. In fact the only issue you appear to have is that the atmosphere created by the girls in the club is causing you problems! GT appears to have the balance right. Even though the facilities in their joint do not appear to match what is available in VillaVertigo. Unfortunately nice showers, gold taps and fine fittings do not a great FKK make! I have never been to your club and do not intend visiting until I see some good reports from ISG members who have had some consistantly good sessions with the VV ladies.

CD

Additional I am not happy if clients of the Villa have bad experiences with girls that work there. This was the second reason to write this post. Only with the help of the clients I am able to work against these girls that are not welcome in Villa Vertigo.

Toscana

11-12-09, 09:32

Let's get the cart behind the horse.

Stefan: when you get a line-up of the quality of GT sorted, full of girls who actually want to have sex with me, I'll give you, not them, a tip, OK? I'm a patient man.

Rigoleto

11-12-09, 14:59

Hello Stephan,

I been in your club in my last trip and I have to said than althought installation are by far the best girls are not and remember we are there for girls not for installations.

I have 3 sesions there, and I not speaking about money don't even about level of girls (1. 10) if not about actitude

1) German / rusian girl, nice girl nice actitude she was not the prettiers but I don't care about that.

2) Romanian, nice actitude but she was drugged (I know what I am speaking about) and even she offer me bareback sex which of course I rejected

3) Romanian again, not kissing, not BBBJ, not not not not. She said you should ask before.

I have been in GT 4 times, LR and YY and never was asked for bareback sex, find a girl drugged and don't fall in not not not not actitude.

Even staff on charge of drinks a guy was a asshole when I ask if they have water with no gas. Girls staff was nice.

For turits as me is important that general experience is good, of course you can find a not not not girl or drugged or whatever in any ffk but I found in yours. I got a bad answer when asked for my water in yours (not available in any club) etc.

My 2 cents

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Capt Dan

11-12-09, 21:32

Seems that things are going from bad to worse.

Hello Stephan,

I been in your club in my last trip and I have to said than althought installation are by far the best girls are not and remember we are there for girls not for installations.
I have 3 sesions there, and I not speaking about money don't even about level of girls (1. 10) if not about actitude

1) German / rusian girl, nice girl nice actitude she was not the prettiers but I don't care about that.

2) Romanian, nice actitude but she was drugged (I know what I am speaking about) and even she offer me bareback sex which of course I rejected

3) Romanian again, not kissing, not BBBJ, not not not not. She said you should ask before.

I have been in GT 4 times, LR and YY and never was asked for bareback sex, find a girl drugged and don't fall in not not not not actitude.

Even staff on charge of drinks a guy was a asshole when I ask if they have water with no gas. Girls staff was nice.

For turits as me is important that general experience is good, of course you can find a not not not girl or drugged or whatever in any ffk but I found in yours. I got a bad answer when asked for my water in yours (not available in any club) etc.

My 2 cents

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Bobo.fr

11-12-09, 22:35

PERSONNALLY (so it's just my own experience) I prefer the bars in Villa Vertigo than the one in Golden Time (where I was just once and it was enough to me !!!) : I was better served at the bars in VV than in GT.

Capt Dan

11-14-09, 04:33

Bobo,

I'm not too sure very many travel to Villa Vertigo or GoldenTime for the bar experience! You may be exceptional in your requirments. I can recommend a couple of good bars in the Monchengladbach area, but no naked or semi-naked ladies! Great beer all the same ;-)

CD

PERSONNALLY (so it's just my own experience) I prefer the bars in Villa Vertigo than the one in Golden Time (where I was just once and it was enough to me !!!) : I was better served at the bars in VV than in GT.

Basketcase

11-15-09, 11:23

The only thing I would like to ask the guests of Villa Vertigo: if something was not ok or correct, please tell the receptionist or ask for me. For sure we will solve all problems as good as possible. Additional I appreciate an email and then I will take personally care of everything:

Stephan

Stephan,

If you read this Villa Vertigo thread you will see some of the issues that visitors experience at the club.

Some of the issues relating to the facilities and atmosphere are discussed in these posts:
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930964

Examples of one common complaint that the women appear to not wanting to have sex with clients can be demonstrated by these two trip reports regarding the same girl at Villa Vertigo. Details of the conversation had are included.

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931989

In my case, I did tell the receptionist about my experience and expect not to be returning for a long time as a result.

Bobo.fr

11-15-09, 16:43

Bobo,

I'm not too sure very many travel to Villa Vertigo or GoldenTime for the bar experience! You may be exceptional in your requirments. I can recommend a couple of good bars in the Monchengladbach area, but no naked or semi-naked ladies! Great beer all the same ;-)

CD

1) Yes, my requirements were exceptional because I do NOT like beer, I often asked for Sprite and sometimes Coca-Cola, Apelsaft ...

2) You may see at http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=918344&postcount=1115

"chapter2" GT , "paragraph" 2) Barmaid

Ekliges Lauern

11-15-09, 17:05

I'll add my two Eurocent to the discussion. First of all, I am rooting for VV to succeed. The first time I visited you club, it was right after being turned away from GT. For that reason alone, I want VV to succeed so there is better competition in the area.

I visited VV a couple of times in the summer of 2008. As everyone has agreed, the facilities are fabulous. One complaint, though. I understand the Kino has been removed to expand the locker area. I find the Kino an integral part of the FKK/sauna experience. For that reason alone, I do not visit Planet Happy Garden. Since VV removed the Kino, I haven't seen the need to check in on VV to see how the lineup is progressing.

On to the women. I had an OK time with the women when I was there. I can't remember wanting to repeat with any of the women I was with, although I did repeat with Wan Li as she was the best of the bad options. I did have an absolutely miserable session with a Moroccan woman. But there was something different about the women in VV. Usually, NRW, the women market themselves by eye contact and a smile. Let's you know they want you to session with them. I saw very little of that going on. Many of the most attractive women were sitting with the same guys for hours on end. Now, I recognize there are benefits to being a regular, but none of these guys were taking them to the room. At least Wan Li acted like she wanted to have a session with me.

I would probably give VV a second chance as I want you to succeed, but without the Kino I will probably give it a pass. But if you want your club to succeed with other mongers, you need to address the friendliness issue with the women at the club.

Regards,

EL

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Capt Dan

11-16-09, 00:27

Sorry Buddy... your drinking requirments are not all that fascinating to me! I'll pass on this one. Thanks all the same but I'd sooner read about da ladies.

CD

1) Yes, my requirements were exceptional because I do NOT like beer, I often asked for Sprite and sometimes Coca-Cola, Apelsaft ...

2) You may see at http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=918344&postcount=1115

"chapter2" GT , "paragraph" 2) Barmaid

Toki Jo

11-22-09, 06:14

Buddy. Villa Vertigo gets few complaints on the grounds of cleanliness. It also gets few complaints about the eye candy quality of the women. Problem is the eye candy appears to have attitude problems. To compare VV with GoldenTime which is without doubt the busiest and most popular club in the area seems to me to be stupid! GT aint popular for no reason!

I arrrived at GT one Saturday afternoon, maybe it was a one off, so will check out again. I seem to be one of the few that give VV high recommendation.

Capt Dan

11-22-09, 15:19

No problem Toki Jo. Enjoy GT!

I arrrived at GT one Saturday afternoon, maybe it was a one off, so will check out again. I seem to be one of the few that give VV high recommendation.

Capt Dan

12-21-09, 01:52

I will say one thing for Villa Vertigo. It certainly seems to have the best information (words, photos and video) relating to some of the ladies who work in the club

See http://www.Villavertigo.de

(in blog format and accessed from the VillaVertigo Website via girls girls girls link).

See also http://www.Saunaclub.com/

Many other clubs could do worse than copy this excellent format.

Makes you feel that with such excellent club facilities and attention to detail (I. E. Good website etc), this venue should be achieving better reviews.

Unfortunately, a great website does not a fun club make.

CD

Kentuky Fried

12-27-09, 18:02

hi,

this will be my first visit to a fkk so i just want to get a few things right.

i looked at vv's website and it looks like a fairly plush place, so what is the dress code for this venue?

second and more important is that my car is a bit of a banger, will i have to turn around and drive all the way back because it doesn't pass the mustard?

other than that, i've been to some strip joints/happy massages in other countries so i think i should be able to get through unrep001hed.

cheers,

kfc

Tom Schilders

12-27-09, 19:38

Basketcase

12-27-09, 19:51

Hi Guys,
I have been to this place recently, and I must say the following:

1) Facilities are really nice, great locker area and great shower area with even a separate desinfection device for the feet
2) Hot tubs one needs to ask at the bar for them to use them, and then also for limited time (other places this is better)
3) Girls: plenty, but the quality of the girls is not better than any of the other places
4) ABSOLUTE MINUS: Many girls seem to hang around with some of their regulars, drinking some champagne and talking to them, withouth seemingly going into rooms. Obviously, the girls are free to do what they want, however the Saunca Club scene in the end of the day is to Fuck and not to talk, one can go to a regular bar for that.
5) ADVICE to Management: provide the hot tubs permanently and avoid the girls sticking too much to regulars, and the place is perfect!
Tom Schilders,

EXACTLY.

Villa Vertigo always seems to be a place where no fucking goes on. You are literally begging to book a girl and she says no as she is waiting on her regular.

I have no idea if the regulars pay for the talk time but one part of me suspects not since I never see the girls getting paid. Maybe I just do not notice it. I guess the management do not mind about the practice since they still get their money from the sex workers and from the regulars entrance fees.

Thanks for the Villa Vertigo update. It seems that a return trip to Villa Vertigo is still off the cards and not warranting a share of my euro spend. I do like the club's facilities but there are still issues that do not make it the well run club with girls that are actually service orientated in that they are happy to fuck.

The quality of the girls at Villa Vertigo is good, some real beauties but then a lot are average. Regardless, for the other punters that are visiting and who are not regulars they will feel let down by the reception that they get from the sex providers who do not seem to provide any sex.

Bobo.fr

12-27-09, 23:54

.....
Villa Vertigo always seems to be a place where no fucking goes on. You are literally begging to book a girl and she says no as she is waiting on her regular.

That often happens at "rushing time", so we may distinguish ladies who "live" in the club (in general, they come from East Europe) from those who live outside the club : with ladies who "live" in the club it's not so very difficult "to go room" with them before, let's say 6 PM (18:00).

....
I have no idea if the regulars pay for the talk time but one part of me suspects not since I never see the girls getting paid.
...

Once I waited for Sky for hours (and finally could not "go to room" with her because of closing time) while she talked and talked with a client. Some months later, I could meet and asked her and she confirmed that she was not paid for that time.
Some ladies were more careful about that and after let's say 20 minutes of "social time" would ask "do you want me to take the key ?"
I think that in general, talking time in public area is not paid.

...
they still get their money from the sex workers and from the regulars entrance fees.
...

We should realize that the fact that the ladies have to pay the entrance makes them much more "special" members than clubs' employees or "partners" sharing the income they get with the staff proportionnally to the number of "meetings" they had. Of course, in general, they don't have exactly the status of a male client but something between.
For comparaison, in a discotheque, the staff would like the ladies dancing on the floor but can not really ask them to leave their seat (especially those who paid their entrance) and they may spend their time just in chatting, without any dances.

Basketcase

12-28-09, 11:39

hi,

this will be my first visit to a fkk so i just want to get a few things right.

1. i looked at vv's website and it looks like a fairly plush place, so what is the dress code for this venue?

2. second and more important is that my car is a bit of a banger, will i have to turn around and drive all the way back because it doesn't pass the mustard?

3. other than that, i've been to some strip joints/happy massages in other countries so i think i should be able to get through unrep001hed.

cheers,

kfc
kentuky fried chicken,

1. guys usually walk around naked underneath bath robes here. just a couple, who are invariably foreign visitors wear their under shorts underneath the bathrobe. a few just go naked bar wrapping a towel around their waist. the club provides the bath robe and towels to you on arrival.

2. this club is a brothel it is not a car show. you got euro to spend then they will take your euro.

3. villa vertigo is a brothel which is not quite the smae as a strip joint or massage parlour. nonetheless you know the pay for play drill so you should be fine.

grtz,

Kentuky Fried

12-28-09, 17:18

Kentuky Fried Chicken,

1. Guys usually walk around naked underneath bath robes here. Just a couple, who are invariably foreign visitors wear their under shorts underneath the bathrobe. A few just go naked bar wrapping a towel around their waist. The club provides the bath robe and towels to you on arrival.

2. This club is a brothel it is not a car show. You got euro to spend then they will take your euro.

3. Villa Vertigo is a brothel which is not quite the smae as a strip joint or massage parlour. Nonetheless you know the pay for play drill so you should be fine.

Grtz,So I should drop the bow-tie then?

Capt Dan

12-29-09, 05:01

So I should drop the bow-tie then?Yeah! And make sure you cut your toenails too!

Also. Maybe do yourself a favour and go to GoldenTime instead!

Anyways. Let us all know how you get on. Good or bad!

Basketcase

12-29-09, 21:34

So I should drop the bow-tie then?

And make sure you wear them white cuffs and black vest and nothing else. The sex workers will love you since you are so unique. You got a foot long too?

Man, I just love Kentucky Fried Chicken. I buy it by the bucket from the Colonel's down the road then sit in front of the telly watching porn. It is those 11 secret herbs and spices that make it so finger licking good.

Beffen1

12-30-09, 00:15

pics of them, headless of course, have been published on the villa website. i guess they are there for more than to just serve drinks behind the bar.

and, they didn't change their names when they changed clubs. they are [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) icons.

uncle beffen

Kentuky Fried

01-01-10, 04:05

Basketcase

01-01-10, 23:33

Cheers guys,

Have to say I really enjoyed it. One veteran was complaining to me at the bar that there weren't many girls and GT was better. I'm sure he was right but as a newbie I was all smiles.

As it was quite a drive I decided to make it worth my while and ended up choosing 3 ladies, all Romanian.

The first was very nice attitude, spoke english well.

The second spoke no english and I was thinking it might be a bit of a dud half way through but the last half was really good. Knockout body and pretty face. I couldn't understand why she sat unoccupied for an hour and a half when all the other girls were in the rooms and there were 15 empty handed guys around. Still a mystery to me.

The third girl may have been trying to feed me a few lines etc but either way she was no harm.

Damn good night in all. Germany rocks.
Kentuky Fried,

Great report. Can you put the names of the sex providers relative to your report? It makes it much more useful for people to use later since without them all we know is that you went to the club and you enjoyed yourself which we are all thrilled to hear but to provide some tangible resource to give back to the forum, names would be helpful.

Kentuky Fried

01-02-10, 00:55

Kentuky Fried,

Great report. Can you put the names of the sex providers relative to your report? It makes it much more useful for people to use later since without them all we know is that you went to the club and you enjoyed yourself which we are all thrilled to hear but to provide some tangible resource to give back to the forum, names would be helpful.First girl was Veronika, second was Michelle, and third I can't remember but she seemed to be one of the more experienced girls at the club (looked to be mentoring Michelle anyway, who was new).

Capt Dan

01-02-10, 01:47

Well done Kentucky Fried, glad you enjoyed your visit to VV. This must be the first positive report from VV that I've read in this forum!

CD

Cheers guys,

Have to say I really enjoyed it. One veteran was complaining to me at the bar that there weren't many girls and GT was better. I'm sure he was right but as a newbie I was all smiles.

As it was quite a drive I decided to make it worth my while and ended up choosing 3 ladies, all Romanian.

The first was very nice attitude, spoke english well.

The second spoke no english and I was thinking it might be a bit of a dud half way through but the last half was really good. Knockout body and pretty face. I couldn't understand why she sat unoccupied for an hour and a half when all the other girls were in the rooms and there were 15 empty handed guys around. Still a mystery to me.

The third girl may have been trying to feed me a few lines etc but either way she was no harm.

Damn good night in all. Germany rocks.

Basketcase

01-02-10, 18:45

Well done Kentucky Fried, glad you enjoyed your visit to VV. This must be the first positive report from VV that I've read in this forum!

CD
Captain Dan,

Similar to how the non English forums discuss a different set of girls to the girls that are continously discussed on the English forums you also get different takes on the clubs too.

It seems the Polar Bears have a core group that love Villa Vertigo and call it a Top Club. Then again there are those that say Golden Time trumps Villa Vertigo for various reasons and agree that at Villa Vertigo feels like a club where interacting with the girls is a bit fraught. You can see the debate on the Polar Bears' Villa Vertigo thread. "Priceless!!" As Vito Corleone would say.

The Villa Vertigo website and blog is fantastic as you have already pointed out. Going to the restricted section for the "Girls Girls Girls" is way cool to see the movies and the bit of porn starring the working girls in action. Nice pictures and well laid out.

The interesting point is that with all these stunning girls pictured on the website or having been poached from Golden Time or from the high end Switzerland clubs is that I never really seen them in the club when I have been there. Maybe it is a sympton of not being a regular, but I have been on a Friday to Villa Vertigo and only saw one girl that piqued my interest and that was Monica (Slovakia) and she was busy with a clan of Polar Bears who were passing her around one to the other.

Rest of the times I have been have all had less than spectacular results. There is even a report from 2008 from me when a cute Polish girl nearly busted my balls with an over zealous hand job when Villa Vertigo still had a Kino. She was using my ball sac like a bouncy castle.

Basketcase

01-02-10, 18:49

First girl was Veronika, second was Michelle, and third I can't remember but she seemed to be one of the more experienced girls at the club (looked to be mentoring Michelle anyway, who was new).
Kentuky Fried,

Nice one. Thanks for the name. Please keep up the reporting and including the names in the report. Makes it a far more useful resource that adds to this forum.

PS: for my New Years day meal I had Kentucky Fried Chicken - two pieces of the original recipe chicken, 4 hot wings and a portion of their fries which have that slight chicken stock flavour to them. I did not eat it watching porn this time as I was eating in the resturant.

Capt Dan

01-03-10, 02:57

For some strange reason, I would like to visit this club in the near future... maybe on my trip after next. I actually would like to see this place do well. In many respects the owners put in a lot of good efforts (good website, good facilities, etc etc). I'd actually like to see some more positive reports about the place, provided they are warranted! Maybe on my spring/summer tour when the weather is warmer and if I am hating the place, I can always zoom down the road to GoldenTime! I will blame Kentucky Fried if I have a bad time, as you have warned me enough about the joint!

Captain Dan,

Similar to how the non English forums discuss a different set of girls to the girls that are continously discussed on the English forums you also get different takes on the clubs too.

It seems the Polar Bears have a core group that love Villa Vertigo and call it a Top Club. Then again there are those that say Golden Time trumps Villa Vertigo for various reasons and agree that at Villa Vertigo feels like a club where interacting with the girls is a bit fraught. You can see the debate on the Polar Bears' Villa Vertigo thread. "Priceless!!" As Vito Corleone would say.

Regnad

01-28-10, 16:33

Plover 23

01-28-10, 22:56

In the interest of reaching far and wide, Villa Vertigo is now running banner ads on the three major Canadian vBulletin boards, quite similar to this one, one covering Montreal, one Toronto, and one western Canada. I wonder if these ads will pay off.

They'd invest their time better advertising for girls!

We all (I think) love VV as an establishment but believe the lineup stinks. If they got the lineup right I am sure that many of us would become converts without the need for advertising.

I guess its a real chicken and egg. If we don't go, then it's not worth it for the best girls. I am sure, though, that some clubs just ship the girls in directly from .ro or wherever: I noticed a minibus full of girls with a club logo on the autobahn heading east the other week.

I understand Captain Dan's sentiments, and I'd love the club to succeed; but I am not a charity. I'll wait for a decent report first.

It doesn't make that strong a case that the IJsberen may have followers, because the club is an easy hop from NL.

It might be cultural thing, because I've always noticed that at YY there's far more of a social atmosphere (read more talk, less fuck) than typical German FKKs. Maybe the Dutch like the GFE to extend to a real social relationship. I can understand that if you are a regular visitor to a club. If I lived here full time and was fluent in the language I would probably take that view myself.

VV similarly seems to have more ongoing social relationships between girls and regulars, which appear impenetrable to outsiders.

We moan at the cynical "fuck you, give me the money" attitude of the hustlers in Hessen, but equally we moan at the worthy girls giving quality time to their "sponsors" at the bar in VV or YY.

Just a thought...

PL

Big30

01-28-10, 23:06

They'd invest their time better advertising for girls!

We all (I think) love VV as an establishment but believe the lineup stinks. If they got the lineup right I am sure that many of us would become converts without the need for advertising.

Just a thought...

PL

I am sorry but I only read a lot of non-relevant prejudices w.r.t. the club and its visitors.
Read some recent report on the relevant Dutch and German boards or come with a report based on a recent visit.

And if you like to write negative about a club please do so! But criticism should be fair, yours IMHO is not.
Let us stay with facts and realise that ambiente and line-up are not fixed club variables. We do not need what the Germans call hineininterpretieren.

But no hard feelings :-)!

Kind regards.
Big30

Plover 23

01-28-10, 23:56

I am sorry but I only read a lot of non-relevant prejudices w.r.t. the club and its visitors.
Read some recent report on the relevant Dutch and German boards or come with a report based on a recent visit.

And if you like to write negative about a club please do so! But criticism should be fair, yours IMHO is not.
Let us stay with facts and realise that ambiente and line-up are not fixed club variables. We do not need what the Germans call hineininterpretieren.

But no hard feelings :-)!

Kind regards.
Big30

Sorry, I did not intend to be negative about anything other than lineup in my experience, and am happy, as I said, to be swayed by any recent report.

Please read again my words, and I apologise if I was not clear.

My comments about the establishment and the social interaction are all positive. IMHO it is the nicest club environment I have ever been to. As I tried to argue the lineup issue is not easily resolved, but depends upon a positive spiral of visitors and girls.

With respect to the comments about visitors and ambience, I was trying to be positively appreciative of the difference. The social atmosphere does, in my view differ between VV or YY, and for example World or Oase , and I consider that a positive difference. Even if its merits may never be available to me.

I think you have misunderstood me, I am sorry for that. Equally, it is some months since I was last at VV, and I may have failed to be aware of changes.

There is no club I would wish better to succeed than VV. I have argued before that I think it has an excellent concept, but my personal experiences with the girls have been poor.

If you can tell me that the lineup and service is reliably at least as good as, say, Acapulco, I promise to visit at the next opportunity.

I have no enduring prejudice on that score. If you tell me that VV passes the test above, I promise to visit, and I will write a report.

If Stephan has started to get the positive spiral moving, with improved lineup, and increasing customer base, I shall rejoice.

Have fun, and at VV!

With regards

PL

Big30

01-29-10, 00:06

Sorry, I did not intend to be negative about anything other than lineup in my experience, and am happy, as I said, to be swayed by any recent report.

Please read again my words, and I apologise if I was not clear.

PL

As said no hard feelings! My only point was that clubs sometimes change. When GT started I can remember sometimes there were no more than 10-15 girls but that is history as we all know. Some of my Dutch and German Club friends (they visit more than one club in NRW every week) were very satified since begin Januari in VV.

There is no reason to apologise you only give your opinion!

Regards,
Big30

Capt Dan

01-29-10, 00:24

Big30

01-30-10, 04:23

Gotta say to you Big 30 that I am in agreement with Plover 23 on the controversial VV issue.

I am unlikely to visit VV until I see one half-descent report on this board, from a reliable source, which indicates that a good time can be had at this venue! :(

We all know that the surroundings and facilities are of a very high standards, but surroundings and facilities are not the main reason to travel to an FKK/Sauna Club. ;)

Then do not visit VV! I do not care really! If you want the latest info about the VV line up, forget ISG. Stick to ISG when you consider it to be the only reliable source in the World!

Please speak for yourself and not in "we-terms" :-)! VV really has currently a great line-up, If you do not want to notice this info? I do not care, go to those clubs you prefer most. Do not forget. ISG is a great forum but ISG members spend most of their time at home and visiting this forum!

Info about most clubs on this forum is very outdated. But if for you ISG is the reliable source? For me OK :-)!

Kind Regards,
Big30

Kind regards,
Big30
(Why give Info to a non believers community as ISG seems to be??)

Ortos

01-30-10, 10:48

Do not forget. ISG is a great forum but ISG members spend most of their time at home and visiting this forum!

Info about most clubs on this forum is very outdated. But if for you ISG is the reliable source? For me OK :-)!

Kind Regards,
Big30

Kind regards,
Big30
(Why give Info to a non believers community as ISG seems to be??)

Very valid points, you make, Mr Big. In several cases, you are quite correct. However, let's not forget that there are some major exceptions: Take reports by Angus Magee, as just one example...and there are several other examples of stalwart and very up-to-date reports loaded with contemporary observations and, yes, extensive line-up lists...BC, right? (Not all of BC's lists are that far out of date. Other guys, like Iseeu, Toscana, EL, etc. contribute lucid, detailed and up-to-date reports as well.

So not all of the ISG community ar "infidels!" LOL!

Part of the problem is that, most of the regular posters here speak/read/write only English, so ISG seems to be the only viable resource in that language...another board, ignatzmice, seems to be dominated by only one or two single posters, and not all of those reports are to be taken as accurate sources of information...rather than self-absorbed essays about how great a playboy the writer is...So if there are other boards in English that are more up-to-date...let us know... However the best solution ist: Lernen Sie Deutsch um die German Boards zu lesen! Nicht so...?

Ortos

Angus Magee

01-30-10, 10:59

info about most clubs on this forum is very outdated.

let's face it. the only really reliable up to date info on any club it that which you see, hear, taste, smell, feel, in the moment at the club you happen to be visiting.

these forums can give a general idea & taste of how the club will be, but to rely on them 100% lacks a certain amount of, shall we say, imagination.

witness ortos' recent visit to palace, a club that were i to rely on the postings made on isg i would likely not visit.

and closer to home for me is artemis. artemis could probably be said to offer some of the worst that fkk land has to offer. it is a big club, in a big city and many of the girls who ply their trade are, if not full on sharks, then at least exhibiting shark-ish tendencies on the busier nights.

but even if 95% of the girls at a club are sharks and/or locked in with regular cliental, there is always the rare gem who has fallen unnoticed between the cracks for you to discover. and when you discover such a gem, you truly understand why the fkk can be such a compelling (and addictive) pass time. please read my latest post from last week (artemis thread) where i found and enjoyed the lovely teeny girl brianna. and just to be clear, brianna is 20years old by her own admission. the term "teeny girl" is a description of the energy she projects and does not mean that she is ****d.

i guess that there are clubs that, as a tourist (and i do not mean tourist to be derogatory-we are all tourists somewhere) you are not so likely to visit. and vv may be one such club-i am not sure as i have not visited. but as an adventurous monger i personally would be more likely to make my own visit and see for myself.

take reports by angus magee, as just one example...

and if i may toot my own horn here for a bit-in my reports i attempt to give a taste of how a clubs feels to me. i certainly do not maintain that they are in anyway "objective" nor do i encourage the reader to go and look for the girls i have written about.

rather i like to think that the reader will get from me an over all impression of the club and be encouraged to go and find out for himself what is there for him. the cookie cutter approach to mongering has never held very much interest for me.

Plover 23

01-30-10, 13:34

Let's face it. The only really reliable up to date info on any club it that which you see, hear, taste, smell, feel, in the moment at the club you happen to be visiting.

These forums can give a general idea & taste of how the club will be, but to rely on them 100% lacks a certain amount of, shall we say, imagination.

There are a wide range of users of this board: that seek both knowledge and entertainment (disgraceful!); whose requirement for detail ranges from “Where is Frankfurt” to “Veronica has changed her nail varnish”, and all points between.

I believe there is a valid role to be fulfilled at each of these levels, and each of us that has useful experience can contribute in our own way. It is inevitable that on an English speaking board there will be a community of contributers, and of readers, with far less detailed or current knowledge that of a German or Dutch speaking board.

I cannot visit any or all clubs regularly enough to comment on individual girls by the week, but I respect and thank those who can.

I can however attempt to visit undiscovered (on this board) or less discussed clubs, and give what I hope is a comprehensive description of the club to help those who may choose to visit. I have done this for Acapulco, Andiamo, presently the Pauschalclub chain, and others. I shall shortly do a circuit of the Hannover area PTs and attempt to draw some general conclusions and guidance. I hope some will find this contribution useful, though it is different.

I believe we also all have a responsibility to give our best advice to those that ask for it. Sometimes there may be others that may be better qualified, but we should still attempt to help if we can. Sometimes we will get wrong: as Iseeu corrected my understanding of female visitor rules, and I corrected Big30s awareness of PT Baldis. That’s fine.

We must also recognise that every experience varies, and that, for example, Big30’s or BC’s experience at a particular club at midnight last night may be less relevant to my visit this lunchtime, than my last lunchtime visit two months ago.

We all get attached to various clubs, and we carry an emotional investment sometimes. One of you recently said (BC?) that you had walked out of Acapulco without a session. That hurt me, because I had made effort to put Acapulco on the map, and the experience did not tally with my own.

There is no point getting angry and shouting at each other about it. If we have an experience that differs from the historical consensus, then I think we have a responsibility to report, and to try to explain the anomalies with humility, as happened with EL and Ortos’s visit to FKK Palace recently.

I think we all do a disservice to new readers when we take ourselves too seriously as we argue, "angels on a pinhead" differences between the merits of differing clubs. Witness the FKK newbie recently on a business trip to central Frankfurt who interpreted our (generally) disparaging remarks about Palace as indicating it wasn't worth visiting. I think we all agree that to the unjaundiced eye Palace and nearly all FKKs are a vision of paradise to a first or infrequent visitor.

Anyway, that’s just my twopenny worth.

Lets just enjoy our hobby, and do what we can to share useful information for others.

Have fun

PL

Big30

01-30-10, 15:17

Very valid points, you make, Mr Big. In several cases, you are quite correct.

Part of the problem is that, most of the regular posters here speak/read/write only English, so ISG seems to be the only viable resource in that language...another board, ignatzmice, seems to be dominated by only one or two single posters, and not all of those reports are to be taken as accurate sources of information...rather than self-absorbed essays about how great a playboy the writer is...So if there are other boards in English that are more up-to-date...let us know... However the best solution ist: Lernen Sie Deutsch um die German Boards zu lesen! Nicht so...?

Ortos

If you want to read about some recent VV up-dates, please read reports here,

http://www.ijsberenforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=114

This is a Dutch Forum, but also many reports in the German language are posted. Also on Rheinforum you will find a lot of recent VV reports and up-dates, http://www.rheinforum.com/ .

Fortunately I do not not need to learn Deutsch oder Hollands/Nederlands, ist eben meine Muttersprache.

I fully agree with your remark about ignatzmice! ISG is a very reliable source of info. For the Big3 in Hessen, Artemis and GT this board cannot be considered as out-dated! You mention some nicks that post a lot of recent info, this also refers to you!

The only point I want to make is that on ISG a lot of info about the clubs in NRW is very out-dated. This refers not only to VV.
As said, some of my club friends now prefer VV and not GT, PHG or LR. This info you will not find on ISG.

@PL,

"Lets just enjoy our hobby, and do what we can to share useful information for others.

Have fun". I agree!

Kind regards,
Big30

Capt Dan

01-30-10, 15:52

Buddy,

My advice is to do yerself a favour and stop trying to push this club as the equivalent of GoldenTime or Oase or World. It has a long way to go to meet these standards!

Sure, the Broads in the joint are good looking and the place itself has fine facilities [size=+1]BUT (big but) these broads have regular customers, who will get the attention of the girls, before any ordinary guy who walks in, off the street.

So yes you are correct to say that the line up is good(ish) but no good if they are all occupied with regulars. Just because there have been recent positive reports on Dutch and German boards regarding VV does not change my oppinion about the place.

These reports are probably from regular visitors who will as a consequence receive better service.

You are also correct in saying that most of the guys who are regular ISGers are more often away from Germany and on this forum. All the more reason not to push this club as an ideal place for these guys to visit.

Then do not visit VV! I do not care really! If you want the latest info about the VV line up, forget ISG. Stick to ISG when you consider it to be the only reliable source in the World!

(Why give Info to a non believers community as ISG seems to be?)
Info about most clubs on this forum is very outdated. But if for you ISG is the reliable source? For me OK! You are incorrect in saying that this board is not up to date with information pertaining to the clubs, at least not with information regarding the clubs that matter I. E. World, Oase, Palace, GoldenTime and Artemis.

This is thanks to regular contributors such as Angus, BC, Ortos and many others.
Read some recent report on the relevant Dutch and German boards or come with a report based on a recent visit. Buddy, if you want to change oppinions about VV, why not visit the joint and give us your report. Quoting positive reports from other Dutch/German boards from regular VV visitors is meaningless!

If you don't like what I have to say, thats your problem! I come from a land where people have fought and died for the right to speak freely! You may not be so lucky.

Ortos

01-30-10, 16:10

The only point I want to make is that on ISG a lot of info about the clubs in NRW is very out-dated. This refers not only to VV.
As said, some of my club friends now prefer VV and not GT, PHG or LR. This info you will not find on ISG.

Kind regards,
Big30

Thanks for bringing us back to the main issue here: The line-up currently at VV. Hey, I've followed your comments and observations about FKK clubs in general and have developed a healthy respect and admiration for your views and opinions. If you say VV is now offering an above average line-up of girls, that is good enough for me. I would strongly consider going there to see for myself, which, as Angus says, is ultimately the only way to get fresh and accurate info.

Actually nobody should be surprised that VV, after some perhaps dubious moments in the past, has solidfied it's line-up situation. First, in these dodgy economic times there seems to be more and more girl talent spreading out between and amid all clubs. Second, a place like GT just gets to popular for its own good. In the long term, girls who used to work GT would certainly get disappointed with not getting enough customers at this club --and there are lots of negatives for girls working at GT, I've recently learned from female voices whispering in my ears. So as all these girls float from club to club to find greener working pastures, it would make complete sense that VV should receive some of this itinerant SP traffic...

Thanks, Big, for shining light on what was an obscure corner of this FKK room...

Ortos

Big30

01-30-10, 16:52

Thanks for bringing us back to the main issue here: The line-up currently at VV. Hey, I've followed your comments and observations about FKK clubs in general and have developed a healthy respect and admiration for your views and opinions.

Thanks, Big, for shining light on what was an obscure corner of this FKK room...

Ortos

Hi Ortos,

That is my only message! The current line-up in VV is OK. Will it be OK in Februari or later?? Who knows?

Problem for the clubs in NRW is that there are too many girls. Wednesday in LR about 70, PHG currently also 50-60 girls, GT? many girls and ice-bears!

For us OK!

Kind regards,
Big30

Basketcase

01-30-10, 18:34

That is my only message! The current line-up in VV is OK. Will it be OK in Februari or later?? Who knows?

Problem for the clubs in NRW is that there are too many girls. Wednesday in LR about 70, PHG currently also 50-60 girls, GT? many girls and ice-bears!

For us OK!Hi Big30,

Wow, thanks for the run down on the line up numbers for the NRW clubs. I may have a think of coming over to that side of Germany. I did not realise the numbers were so high. In my visits to Happy Garden, Living Room and Villa Vertigo I have never seen that many girls that you say are there. I think if you halve the numbers you mention then that is how many I saw.

I think I may need to rethink my travel plans.

Thanks for the feed back man.

Capt Dan

01-30-10, 19:09

Hey Ortos

Are these the comments and observations of Big 30 that you refer to?

Or perhaps you are referring to the comments and opinions of regular members of Ijsberebforum or Rheinforum whom he seems to continually quote?

Hey, I've followed your comments and observations about FKK clubs in general and have developed a healthy respect and admiration for your views and opinions.

Smuler

01-30-10, 19:10

another board, ignatzmice, seems to be dominated by only one or two single posters, and not all of those reports are to be taken as accurate sources of information...rather than self-absorbed essays about how great a playboy the writer is...The International section of that board is a shadow of what it used to be.

If only there were more contributors to even out the one-sidedness.

Best Regards,

Smuler

Capt Dan

01-30-10, 20:15

Maybe one of our esteemed ISG members will visit VV in the next few weeks and will be able to report back to us with some first hand information!

That is my only message! The current line-up in VV is OK. Will it be OK in Februari or later?? Who knows?

Problem for the clubs in NRW is that there are too many girls. Wednesday in LR about 70, PHG currently also 50-60 girls, GT? many girls and ice-bears!

For us OK!

Basketcase

01-31-10, 01:56

The International section of that board is a shadow of what it used to be.

If only there were more contributors to even out the one-sidedness.

Best Regards,

Smuler
Hi Smuler,

Some refugees from this forum have migrated there. My experience here has been at times unhappy due to a few events.

Never fear we are coming over to even the odds in the other place.

Basketcase

01-31-10, 02:00

Maybe one of our esteemed ISG members will visit VV in the next few weeks and will be able to report back to us with some first hand information!
Captain Dan

Will not be me until Summer I think. I am booked for Hessen visits all the way to the end of May 2010 now. Also I am in self imposed exile from GT until its garden re-opens again with the thaw. Only way I can get to VV now is if I drive from FFM. I need more of an incentive than a whim to check VV out given my previous experience there.

Capt Dan

01-31-10, 03:14

Pity, someone such as your good self would be an ideal candidate to check out VV to see if it has improved by any measure. This club needs at least one descent first-hand report by a regular ISG club connoisseur before it can hope to be elevated from the host of half-rated joints which inhabit the Dusseldorf hinterland.

Guys, if you are American or British or if you are travelling from the further reaches of the European Continent, be careful of this joint as it tends to cater to club regulars (Dutch/German) who visit this establishment on a recurring basis.

GoldenTime, Livingroom and perhaps Planet Happy Garden appear to be better bets for a quick club visit, if you are not a VV regular that is! :D

Captain Dan

Will not be me until Summer I think. I am booked for Hessen visits all the way to the end of May 2010 now. Also I am in self imposed exile from GT until its garden re-opens again with the thaw. Only way I can get to VV now is if I drive from FFM. I need more of an incentive than a whim to check VV out given my previous experience there.

Sir Wankalot

02-02-10, 20:25

I have to disagree a bit with Captain Dan here. Each of the mentioned clubs has his own + &.. There is no way that 1 of these clubs outranks the rest on all points. (Or is there 1?.)

I'll try to give my opinion in short to show some differences on these 4 clubs, which on average I each try to visit once a month.

Goldentime Pro's: Most girls around, ok % of them good looking, meals are good. Cons: Way to poor Male Female ratio (3:1), often waiting times for room, poor facilities/barroom/rooms.

Livingroom Pro's: Good food (Sun-Tue), Very friendly staff, Very good M-F ratio 1:2 (Mon-Wed). Cons: Poor food (Wed-Sat), In weekends way to long waiting times, Only 1 barroom, No WLAN, poor rooms.

Planet Happy Garden This club avarages everything, no real pro's or cons. I've never left disappointed, but also no 'best experience ever' here.

Villa Vertigo Pro's: Excellent facilities & Food, Large non smoking bar, high % of good looking girls, Beautiful rooms, Girls are not agressively hunting. Cons: Biggest changes in girls working, but this also has the upside for frequent visitors that you often see new faces, Mon/Tue are often quiet (however this goes for most clubs)

In conclusion: For me VV is still the highest ranking club in overall. Even if you might have a dissapointing day, you can always come back for free the next Sunday. With the monthly discount flyer of E10 for people on their mailing list, this means you can visit VV 2 times for E40 in total! Feels more like stealing when you're getting to use their excellent facilities, all day long eating & drinking for only E20.

GoldenTime, Livingroom and perhaps Planet Happy Garden appear to be better bets for a quick club visit, if you are not a VV regular that is!

Big30

02-03-10, 08:22

I have to disagree a bit with Captain Dan here. Each of the mentioned clubs has his own + &.. There is no way that 1 of these clubs outranks the rest on all points. (Or is there 1?.)

Dear Sir :-),

Just like you I also disagree with a lot of members of this board about their opinions about the clubs in NRW, esspecially VV! But do not take ISG members opinions very seriously! They have no time or money to visit the Clubs in NRW and Hessen as we have so frequently, only with some exceptions.

But remember you and me we visited these clubs more than once a week. Most ISG members only read this board, sometimes they visit a club, then they write very long and detailed reports. They are a little bit jealous about us!

Captain Dan! Maybe he was 3-5 times in VV, I am not sure. SW, You were there more than 50 times :-)! Also in the other clubs you mention you were more than any other member of this board!

OK one member excluded!

@SW, veel plezier morgen in PHG maar ik kan niet komen! Ik ben vrijdag in Gt :-)! Op ISG vind je alleen maar arrogante Engelse en Amerikaanse Eikels! Neem geen moeite hen te overtuigen, het is een verloren strijd, geloof me!

Kind Regards,
Big30

Mambomike

02-03-10, 14:11

Thanks for the comparison of VV with other clubs. I have a loose Wednesday in two weeks and had considered VV as a possible candidate, especially when I saw the quality of the girls pictured on their blog.

Can you fill in a couple of pieces of missing information? Were you there day or evening? How many girls were present? What were the prices for extras? Were DFK and DATY reliably included?

Thank you, MM.

Villa Vertigo Pro's: Excellent facilities & Food, Large non smoking bar, high % of good looking girls, Beautiful rooms, Girls are not agressively hunting. Cons: Biggest changes in girls working, but this also has the upside for frequent visitors that you often see new faces, Mon/Tue are often quiet (however this goes for most clubs)

In conclusion: For me VV is still the highest ranking club in overall. Even if you might have a dissapointing day, you can always come back for free the next Sunday. With the monthly discount flyer of E10 for people on their mailing list, this means you can visit VV 2 times for E40 in total! Feels more like stealing when you're getting to use their excellent facilities, all day long eating & drinking for only E20.

Ortos

02-03-10, 17:05

@SW, veel plezier morgen in PHG maar ik kan niet komen! Ik ben vrijdag in Gt :-)! Op ISG vind je alleen maar arrogante Engelse en Amerikaanse Eikels! Neem geen moeite hen te overtuigen, het is een verloren strijd, geloof me!

Kind Regards,
Big30

Hi Mr Big (or should I say, Mineer Grote!),

I love your note in Dutch at the end. Let me have a stab at translating this just off the top of my head, since I know German pretty well, and alot of Dutch ain't too different:

"@SW, much pleasure/fun (plezier?) tomorrow at PHG but I cannot come. I am on Friday in GT :-)! On ISG they are all arrogant English and American Eikels..." (sorry, don't know this one, "Eikels," but I really want to learn: is it like "Rotsack" or even more extreme "Klotsack?" I need to improve my array of Dutch curse words so I can use them against all the arrogant Dutch tourists I work with :) Can you help me here? Dank u well!)

The last sentence is a mystery to me except the second word which is the Dutch equivalent to "kein."

Anyway, you can see the prevailing attitude amongst most of the "Eikels" here re your insightful comments about the improved line-up at VV:

Wat de Boer niet kaint, dat fret he niet! (Sorry for the spelling! and I know your Grandma used to tell you the same thing!)

Wish I could join you Friday at GT, but I was just there two weeks ago. As I wrote elsewhere, I got a bit bored and fed up with GT by 19.00 so I moved to LR and had a stupendous time!

How doooo!

Ortos (geen Eikel!)

Masayama

02-03-10, 17:31

The last sentence is a mystery to me except the second word which is the Dutch equivalent to "kein."
With a little help from Google translation:
"Take no effort convincing them, it's a lost battle, believe me!"

And with a little help from wikipedia, Eikel could mean either acorn (oak nut) or dickhead:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eikel

Ortos

02-03-10, 18:50

With a little help from Google translation:
"Take no effort convincing them, it's a lost battle, believe me!"

And with a little help from wikipedia, Eikel could mean either acorn (oak nut) or dickhead:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eikel

Well thanks...I could, of course, have turned to technology for help in the translation, but I felt an urge to do it the "old fashioned way" and work it out for myself.

Dickhead? Really, from my limited knowledge of dutch --I once had a Belgian girlfriend who used to call my penis a "lekker pimmell" and used to call a Nederlander: een "Kasekop"-- I would have thought "Dickhead" would be: Pimmellkop!

Thanks for the "heads up" on that one, as they say.

So nice to see these threads just packed with information we can all use :)

O

Big30

02-03-10, 19:23

Hi Mr Big (or should I say, Mineer Grote!),

I love your note in Dutch at the end. Let me have a stab at translating this just off the top of my head, since I know German pretty well, and alot of Dutch ain't too different:

Wish I could join you Friday at GT, but I was just there two weeks ago. As I wrote elsewhere, I got a bit bored and fed up with GT by 19.00 so I moved to LR and had a stupendous time!

How doooo!

Ortos (geen Eikel!)

Hi Mr. Ortos,

Do not take my remark to seriously! Yes I said that Friday I plan to be in GT and yes I know sometimes esspecially later in the evening GT can be a little boring!

Compliment that you know a typical Dutch expression! Wat de boer niet kent dat vreet hij niet. No Idee how to translate it!

@Mambomike: prices in VV are the same as in GT. LR and PHG.

Regards,
Big30

Ortos

02-03-10, 20:21

Hi Mr. Ortos,

Do not take my remark to seriously!

Compliment that you know a typical Dutch expression! Wat de boer niet kent dat vreet hij niet. No Idee how to translate it!

Regards,
Big30

The key to it all: Don't take too much too seriously, esp on this (or any) message board revolving around this kind of subject matter.

Your proverb's translation: What the Farmer doesn't know, he doesn't eat. (In other words: "You are fucking Peasant if you reject things without even trying them.")

Antidote: Try everything life throws at you at least once, before you reject it.

ISG Calibration: The best (only way) to really know if a club has a good girl line-up is to actually visit the club and see for yourself. (Same goes with trying to assess the performance --or lack thereof-- a given SP.)

O

Toscana

02-03-10, 20:38

Well I too didn't need a translator to get the gist of Big30's remarks.

I hope I am the only one to feel they were pretty insulting and arrogant. And then to try to hide behind his own tongue which he assumed would be foreign enough for other readers to be left in ignorance. If he really thinks that about ISG and the people who contribute on it, he should surely post his comments on another forum and not right amongst us.

Didn't really think that was his style.

Big30

02-03-10, 21:00

The key to it all: Don't take too much too seriously, esp on this (or any) message board revolving around this kind of subject matter.

ISG Calibration: The best (only way) to really know if a club has a good girl line-up is to actually visit the club and see for yourself. (Same goes with trying to assess the performance --or lack thereof-- a given SP.)

O

I am afraid we agree to much :-)! Also let us not forget tastes and preferences can differ ... .

As the Sir already said the Sunday Free entrance offer is still valid for VV, you have free entrance when you visited VV the week before.

B

Big30

02-03-10, 21:22

Didn't really think that was his style.

No that is indeed not my style and please put a Big Smilie after my Remark! It was meant in a ironical way and by no means I had the intention to express something as you interpreted it. If so then sorry for my remark!

Kind Regards,
Big30

Capt Dan

02-04-10, 00:30

Buddy be a man and at least have the guts to call people names in a language that most of us understand. Once you have to resort to childish name calling, you immediately loose the argument. Name calling might be the norm in the Dutch and German forums that you are so fond of quoting, but it is not how we conduct our business on ISG.

Op ISG vind je alleen maar arrogante Engelse en Amerikaanse Eikels! Neem geen moeite hen te overtuigen, het is een verloren strijd, geloof me! TRANSLATION into English: Have fun tomorrow in PHG but I can not come! Friday I'm in Gt :-)! At ISG found only arrogant English and American acorns! Take no effort to convince them it is a losing battle, believe me!

No that is indeed not my style and please put a Big Smilie after my Remark! It was meant in a ironical way and by no means I had the intention to express something as you interpreted it. If so then sorry for my remark!Yep, you have really convinced me that you are a stand up guy and that Villa Vertigo is a great place to go! Man up and desist with the name calling! One wonders if you have shares in VillaVertigo the way you are trying to advertise this joint! My advice to anyone considering a visit to this location is to wait until there has been at least one or two good reports from regular ISG members (of the non-name calling variety).
CD

Sir Wankalot

02-04-10, 01:18

Like most clubs VV is a bit quiet during daytime, but around 18:00 when dinner is served it's getting more crowded. MON-TUE are quiet days, from Wednesday on it gets more busy.

In the beginning the free sundays made it the biggest gay club on Earth, but the last months the male-female ratio is ok on sundays.

A lot of other clubs are having poor women counts on Sunday, probably because girls know their is a lot of men around in VV each Sunday that have E50 more to spend because they got in for free

Service costs of the girls are the same as in most NRW saunaclubs.

Don't fall in love with 1 of the blog girls since there's a high rate of moving girls, but there are always a few real beauties around in VV.

And like in all clubs, if you want to have some action with a lady new to you, take the time for 5-10 mins of smalltalk at the bar.

This way you can easily find out if she is willing to take time for you or if she's only interested in a fast rip off.

Also you'll be able to ask if she performs your xxx wishes.

Have fun!

Thanks for the comparison of VV with other clubs. I have a loose Wednesday in two weeks and had considered VV as a possible candidate, especially when I saw the quality of the girls pictured on their blog.
Can you fill in a couple of pieces of missing information? Were you there day or evening? How many girls were present? What were the prices for extras? Were DFK and DATY reliably included?
Thank you, MM.

Basketcase

02-04-10, 02:24

arrogante Engelse en Amerikaanse Eikels!
Please do not forget the Turkish, Russian, Swedish, Irish, French, Spanish, Italiani, Japanese, Chinese, Canadians, Brazilians, etc... who also participate in this forum.

We will have to try better at writing longer and more detailed reports. I do leave a lot out from my reports but it appears more is needed. I also do not write up all my reports.

There is an incentive to earn more money and re-arrange timetables to obtain more free time. This is true. This I admit I could do better at.

I do try to get over to the clubs as much as I will allow myself. Would be nice to visit 3 or more times a week like some of the continentals do. My visit average is only half that I admit.

Kentuky Fried

02-13-10, 06:06

Capt Dan

02-14-10, 17:28

Is it just me or does everyone else fall in love with every professional women they sleep with?

Seriously, one day I want to marry a prostitute. It was good enough for Jesus so it's defintely good enough for me.Wha does this post got to do with VillaVertigo or any FKK club for that matter? If you need marital advice; go visit a Priest or a Rabbi :rolleyes:

Kentuky Fried

02-15-10, 13:13

Whaddaf*k has this post got to do with VillaVertigo or any FKK club for that matter? If you need marital advice; go visit a Priest or a Rabbi :rolleyes:Because it is what happened at VV on Friday night. That's what [Deleted by Admin] it has to do with VV.

And who [Deleted by Admin] says I'm looking for marital advice [Deleted by Admin]?

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited in accordance with the Forum's Zero Tolerance policy regarding reports containing any personal attacks or derogatory comments directed towards another Forum Member or the Forum Membership in general.

Wanderer1000

02-15-10, 19:44

Kentuky Fried,

A bit of a harsh slap there by Captain Dan, but maybe an interesting topic for the General Information thread.

Having traveled to the NRW clubs for a few years now, I have heard a lot of stories from locals I know. Seems there is a lot of falling in love going on, meeting outside of the clubs, guys "lending" big money to favorite girls with sob stories who skip town the next day, etc.

As a non-local guy who visits periodically and doesn't get in with the drama, it is interesting to hear about the other side of this sauna club lifestyle.

Kentuky Fried

02-15-10, 23:39

Hey Jak,

yeah i thought so too, and had a few harsh words in my reply which was edited by the Admin, unfairly I thought, as if you want to pose a question in that manner then it should be alright for me to respond in the same manner.

I probably should have posted it in the general thread as you suggest, but as it was my impression after my visit to VV I thought that maybe some other guys may have had similar experiences.

Could to get some inside from you on the goings on, would be intersting to see if anyone has gone further than just lending money and gotten married etc,. but will check on the general forum. Wouldn't want to upset captain dan and his obsessive compulsive desire for everything to be in exactly the right place.

Hessen Bub

02-16-10, 16:59

Seems there is a lot of falling in love going on, meeting outside of the clubs, guys "lending" big money to favorite girls with sob stories who skip town the next day, etc.

Almost everything you can/do phantasize about does happen. And more.

As a non-local guy who visits periodically and doesn't get in with the drama, it is interesting to hear about the other side of this sauna club lifestyle.

I've heard stories of regular visitors from the US or China spending a lot of money to help girls. And a lot means a lot. Busts my 12 months FKK club bugdet.

HB

Capt Dan

02-16-10, 22:00

Kentuky Fried, A bit of a harsh slap there by Captain Dan, but maybe an interesting topic for the General Information thread. My dear Jak, I regret that I must strongly disagree with you in this matter.

Seriously, one day I want to marry a prostitute.I merely wished to highlight the foolishness of the above idea.

It was good enough for Jesus so it's defintely good enough for me.and also to highlight that the above statement about Our Lord was totally incorrect. The Messiah was never married, not according to the Christian Bible and any writings on this matter are mere myth recently reinforced by the hokum written by the author Dan Brown.

Ignorance can be bliss, but it is sometimes a necessity to use shock tactics in order to shake the less fortunate from this unwarranted blissfull state. :D

Basketcase

02-17-10, 09:53

Seriously, one day I want to marry a prostitute. It was good enough for Jesus so it's defintely good enough for me.
Are you talking about Madonna? She is going out with Jesus. Do you want to marry Madonna?

I am giving up Kentucky Fried Chicken now. My nutritionist keeps telling me off when she sees it listed in my food diary.

Kentuky Fried

02-17-10, 14:19

Are you talking about Madonna? She is going out with Jesus. Do you want to marry Madonna?

I am giving up Kentucky Fried Chicken now. My nutritionist keeps telling me off when she sees it listed in my food diary.Not Madonna, that was his mom. Mary of Magdelen was his girlfriend and she was a prostitute i believe. Not sure about the Dan Brown view as didn't really watch the movie, but when i used to attend church as a little fella long before the movie, it seemed accepted that she was a hooker before she met the big J. Either way i'm sure Jesus wouldn't have cared what she did for a job, he was too cool for that. (I'm not christian or religious btw).

Am real happy that there is a KFC in monchengladbach to call into after the drive and before getting to the club. And then a burger king after i leave. it's the perfect setup.

CD, can't see the problem with marrying a pro. I once dated a happy massagist and she was an angel. as long as you look after your wallet no matter who you date it doesn't matter. if society wants to turn their back on pro's then i'm more than happy to take whats not wanted. let's see, super hot, good in bed, no sexual hang-ups, that's a pretty good start in a woman.

Basketcase

02-17-10, 22:58

Not Madonna, that was his mom. Mary of Magdelen was his girlfriend and she was a prostitute i believe. Either way i'm sure Jesus wouldn't have cared what she did for a job, he was too cool for that.

Am real happy that there is a KFC in monchengladbach to call into after the drive and before getting to the club. And then a burger king after i leave. it's the perfect setup.
Kentuky Fried,

I think we are at cross purposes here. My reference to Madonna was to the singer / artist Madonna who some believe dresses like what you refer to. This Madonna is currently seeing a male model called Jesus. I was wondering if you meant this madonna. Just like you said, I think our man Jesus does not care either way what Madonna does for a job since she is super rich and has kudos for being famous.

I did not go to KFC in Germany ever strangely enough. I think I need to cut down on fast food. But man, I do like Turkish kebabs you get in Germany.

I still have not worked out when I come back to Villa Vertigo. I am having too much fun in Hessen to return. Also, the return trip to NRW for 2010 just got hijacked to be a trip to Hessen with Ekliges Lauren. I think he miss his Kino.

Kentuky Fried

02-18-10, 00:03

Kentuky Fried,

My reference to Madonna was to the singer [who] is currently seeing a male model called Jesus. Whoops, am not up with pop culture much. Reminds me of one of the conversations I had with a hungarian girl at VV that same night. I was chatting to her while she was waiting for them to serve up dinner and she kept patting her stomach and saying "iz baraz", or whatever, in hungarian.

I nodded understanding and said 'Hungry'. She then asked me how to say "iz baraz" in english. I responded "hungry". She replied "in english?", i replied "hungry", she replied "in english?", i replied "hungry". Ad nauseum until we finally figured it out.

I kept laughing thinking about the scene from "Dude, where's my car?". What's mine say? Sweet! What's mine say? Dude!

Fun and games.

Basketcase

02-22-10, 19:35

Arrived last weekend [at Golden Time] around 3pm & parking was tough. I was refused entry with the security guard shaking his head & waving his finger as I walked to the entrance. No reason given.

I am sure some people are doing the Tiger Woods fist pump knowing it happened to me. I was not a happy camper, but ended up having a great time @ VV.
Vito Corleone goes to Villa Vertigo....

This Villa Vertigo thread is crying out for a recent write up from a respected senior member. My last visit to Villa Vertigo was in September 2009. That visit was pedestrian.

Vito Corleone, since you were refused entry at Golden Time and moved on in your self drive motor vehicle to Villa Vertigo can you please let us know what was your experiences at Villa Vertigo please.

We would be grateful for your response.

Linga

03-08-10, 00:16

Hi,

Anybody else had a problem keying in Bahstrasse 90 for Grefrath? I rented a Mercedes from Sixt and the Navi system didn't know Bahnstrasse 90. It would only accept upto Bahnstrasse 74.

Big30

03-08-10, 17:28

Hi,

Anybody else had a problem keying in Bahstrasse 90 for Grefrath? I rented a Mercedes from Sixt and the Navi system didn't know Bahnstrasse 90. It would only accept upto Bahnstrasse 74.

Had the same problem (long time ago). Use coordinates: 51.330877,6.34793.
But is easy to find. It is the Bahnstrasse south of the B509.
http://www.villavertigo.de/index.php?id=72

B30

Breadman

03-08-10, 20:35

Common sense...if your renting a car and your going to be entering the clubs in as you drive, get some streets close to the club (dead end or short streets are the best) and write those down as backups. If the first address doesn't work or your being asked to drive what might be an hour to far or in the wrong direction, you can try one of the backup's. I met a hobbiest at Oase and told him about World...he keyed in a city center and ended up driving 2 hours out of his way.

Basketcase

03-08-10, 22:17

Hi,

Anybody else had a problem keying in Bahstrasse 90 for Grefrath? I rented a Mercedes from Sixt and the Navi system didn't know Bahnstrasse 90. It would only accept upto Bahnstrasse 74.
Linga,

On my debut visit to Villa Vertigo I had the similar issue of not being able to locate exactly Bahnstrasse 90 on my Sat Nav. I got to Bahnstrasse 74 and then drove up and down the street once and then stopped to look across the B road and there was Villa Vertigo hidden behind a high magnolia coloured wall but you could make out the second floor of the mansion which I recognised from my research on their website.

I just drove across the B road and into their car park. Yes, I was a bit worried for maybe 5 minutes not sure where it was since the Bahnstreaase has a few residential homes and business park type buildings that looked nothing like the Villa Vertigo I was expecting per their websiste. LOL.

Iseeu

03-09-10, 03:21

Hi,

Anybody else had a problem keying in Bahstrasse 90 for Grefrath? I rented a Mercedes from Sixt and the Navi system didn't know Bahnstrasse 90. It would only accept upto Bahnstrasse 74.
I also had the same problem on my first trip there. But, I had checked out the location on Google Maps beforehand and knew that the club was located on the southern corner of the B509, so when the GPS took me north of it, I turned around and found VV just where it was supposed to be. That's why, when using a GPS for driving to new locations, you should always study a map beforehand to get your bearings, know of adjacent landmarks or streets as Breadman suggests, and take a printed map with you.

Hessen Bub

03-10-10, 16:16

Anybody else had a problem keying in Bahstrasse 90 for Grefrath? I rented a Mercedes from Sixt and the Navi system didn't know Bahnstrasse 90. It would only accept upto Bahnstrasse 74.

Most navigation systems will allow you to input an intersection. So just key in Bahnstrasse corner of Mitteldyck.

HB

Breadman

03-10-10, 17:46

corner of Mitteldyck.

HB

Mylittledick? Don't sell yourself short ;-)

Hessen Bub

03-10-10, 18:23

Knew someone would like that one. ;)

http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=de&geocode=&q=Mitteldyck,+Grefrath&sll=51.151786,10.415039&sspn=21.641723,35.375977&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Mitteldyck,+47929+Grefrath,+Viersen,+Nordrhein-Westfalen&z=16

HB

Big30

03-24-10, 02:19

Every Friday and Saturday we close later because the atmosphere with our DJ and the complete dancing club becomes better and better. Therefore we change the opening hour on saturday to 01.00 pm. From now on we have fridays and saturdays OPEN END!

See also VV blog:
http://www.saunaclub.com/saunaclub-vertigo-news/neue-offnungszeiten-samstags-ab-13-00-uhr/

Regards,
B30

(Note: Saturday night 02 hr Sommertime starts! At 02 hr the Clock jumps to 03 hr!)

Toscana

03-24-10, 11:27

(Note: Saturday night 02 hr Sommertime starts! At 02 hr the Clock jumps to 03 hr!)Yes, I'm not going to any club this Saturday. Anyone in the room at 2.00 automatically finishes more than an hour later: EUR 100 extra. Much better value in the autumn.

Basketcase

04-30-10, 22:02

See also VV blog:
http://www.saunaclub.com/saunaclub-vertigo-news/neue-offnungszeiten-samstags-ab-13-00-uhr/

- VV on Fridays and Saturdays can be very crowded since all the action is now concentrated in the old Villa building. At those 2 days VV now has an open end. So at 22-23 hr a lot of guests are still entering. Some porn actrices are now working in VV, check the blog.
Hi Big 30,

Yes, I saw the porn actresses listed at Villa Vertigo's blog. They look real tasty and it will be good to be able to book them for the room.

I see that the Saturday opening is now 13:00 due to the open end close on Fridays and no longer 11:00 opening on Saturdays.

With an open end I believe you that men still come to the club between 22:00 to 23:00. Especially if the girls pictured in the blog are working. The girls pictured all look absolutely stunning.

I always recall the DJ played in the new Villa building annex. So now the action is all focussed in the old Villa building now?

I hope to visit Villa Vertigo again soon. If not I will with a crew in mid June.

Big30

04-30-10, 22:04

Hi Big 30,
I always recall the DJ played in the new Villa building annex. So now the action is all focussed in the old Villa building now?

Yes indeed!

B30

Capt Dan

05-05-10, 23:47

I seem to recall that Villa Vertigo offers free entry on Sunday if you have visited the club during the previous week.
Can anyone confirm if this is indeed still the case or not?
I hope to visit VV in the not too distant future!

CD

Vito Corleone

05-10-10, 01:39

Vito Corleone goes to Villa Vertigo....

This Villa Vertigo thread is crying out for a recent write up from a respected senior member. My last visit to Villa Vertigo was in September 2009. That visit was pedestrian.

Vito Corleone, since you were refused entry at Golden Time and moved on in your self drive motor vehicle to Villa Vertigo can you please let us know what was your experiences at Villa Vertigo please.

We would be grateful for your response.
Wassup BC,

I rarely browse this part of the forum. I just noticed your request. I usually research this club on a German site.

I also had a hard time finding the club as my GPS only went up to #70. The club was pretty dead compared to GT. No line outside the club with clients waiting for other men to leave so they can get a key. I think that was the reason I was refused entry. The security guy did not speak any English. I guess I could have waited, but zero parking spaces (including the other lot) & there were close to 20 guys waiting.

The lineup was great. I forgot the names of the babes I sessioned with, but plenty of eye candy. I sessioned with 2 hot Polish babes, Romanian hottie & a Russian babe (Latvia or Ukraine). All 4 were great sessions. One of the Polish babes gave a great bj. Tall thin blonde with a gorgeous face. Much more relaxed atmosphere compared to GT.

One of the staff asked me if I needed a toothbrush & etc which was a first for me. Very clean club without the Polish secret service guys like GT. Those guys are a trip. Lineup reminds me of LR. Smaller than GT, but still plenty of hot babes to choose from.

One thing I noticed was the really hot babes I sessioned with all stuck to the normal prices. Unlike some of the hotties @ GT who try to get away with Frankfurt prices. Also, the women were willing to sit talk more than the GT babes.

Kingwenslas

05-10-10, 15:00

Ok, ok, I know it was about three weeks ago, but things have been hectic. Also hectic enough for me not to have read much of this thread, although I did notice that hardly anyone seems to go the Villa even though this thread seems quite lively.

A quick synopsis of what happened: -

I wanted to track down my favourite double act from PHG namely Kim from Lithuania and Tatiana from Belarus. They were there – so I was happy. They are both late 20s, Kim has dyed red hair, is big and not all that attractive at first glance, but gives stunningly good service. Tatiana is blond, and I’m sure her boobs were bigger than I remembered them, but I forgot to ask if she had had a boob job – they felt that natural.

Unfortunately Kim had just completed a marathon session so did not want to session with me as she would “not be able to give her best”. She suggested instead a double with Tatiana and a polish girl called Emilia. What followed was arguably the best sex of my life. Regular readers of my (sparse) reports will realise that I think I have only used this superlative on three former occasions so this is praise indeed! Furthermore, they only charged me €150 for the hour, whereas it seems that the going rate for one hour is now €100 per girl – or perhaps someone could comment on this?

So, I got off to a flying start. I had some wonderful chats about everything it seems, and so I felt pretty much at home, even though I think it’s my second ever visit to the club. I even recognised the girl on the door, who I think is called Monique. We had sessioned a few years ago in Living Room. I asked her how she was and she replied that she isn’t “active” anymore.

Kim said, briefly, that the management of the Villa is far better than at PHG and that is why so many girls have migrated over.

My second session was with a German girl called Anna who has short dark hair and is tall. Kim half warned me, but she looked attractive so I picked her. The session was not particularly brilliant, but after the first session anything would be lacklustre. Would I recommend her? Not automatically.

My third session was with, wait for it – I’ve forgotten. I know I did a third session but the next day whilst I was going over the day in my head I just simply could not remember who or what I had done. This illustrates the amazing thing about our fkk hobby – every encounter is mind-blowing, but if you do it three times a day then it’s just possible that you can forget the odd one. Or I could be getting old.

Something else I learned that I have never seen before is that Kim and Tatiana would sit for some time together and turn away punters. They explained that they have regular customers who book them for a certain time every week and they have to be available. If the customer does not turn up, he will still pay them the next time he pops in. I’ve never heard this one before. Does anyone have any comments? If this has previously been discussed on a thread then please tell me.

And Captain Dan - yes I vaguely remember being told that you get free entry on a Sunday if you have been during the week. I think you have to ask for a card or something when you are there during the week. I didn't pay much attention as I knew I would not be going back.

Part two of my trip is on the Fkk World thread

Kingwenslas

Big30

05-10-10, 16:28

I seem to recall that Villa Vertigo offers free entry on Sunday if you have visited the club during the previous week.
Can anyone confirm if this is indeed still the case or not?

CD

No in May this is not the case. But instead they have a "Pfingstspecial" from Friday 21-5 untill Monday 24-5 you pay 75 Euro entrance for 4 days.

I f you register for the VV newsletter you receive a Voucher with 10 euro discount.

B30

Ortos

05-10-10, 17:45

Something else I learned that I have never seen before is that Kim and Tatiana would sit for some time together and turn away punters. They explained that they have regular customers who book them for a certain time every week and they have to be available. If the customer does not turn up, he will still pay them the next time he pops in. I’ve never heard this one before. Does anyone have any comments? If this has previously been discussed on a thread then please tell me.

Kingwenslas

Really great series of reports, King! Thanks for the treat...Btw: If I remember your previous posts, you have historically been a PHG man, so it must have taken on a special meaning when you went over to VV, PHG's main competition. Btw: How many minutes drive is it between these two clubs, PHG and VV?

As for the paragraph above, you ask for comments on the situation you describe. I suggest you see Duralong's experience in Club Acupulco...sounds broadly similar.

O

Kingwenslas

05-10-10, 19:02

Dear Ortos

Thank you for your kind comments. Yes, I have been a PHG man for some time and this trip was my second ever to VV. The rationale was to follow Kim and her friends - and it worked. According to Kim, the management of PHG has gone downhill and VV's management is so much better for the girls.

The two clubs are pretty near - 5 or 10 minutes by car if I had to guess, can't really remember. When you drive to PHG from the Holland direction you actually go past VV. It's between the John Deere dealership and a little airstrip (which was quite active when I was there). In fact very low flying light aircraft regularly passed over the establishment when I was there. They were either coming into land, or trying to get a view of the girls :)

Thanks for the comment about Duralong - I'll take a look.

Kingwenslas

Capt Dan

05-11-10, 00:18

No in May this is not the case. But instead they have a "Pfingstspecial" from Friday 21-5 untill Monday 24-5 you pay 75 Euro entrance for 4 days.

I f you register for the VV newsletter you receive a Voucher with 10 euro discount.

B30
Thanks for the info B30.
I hope to get to VillaVertigo sometime in June with the rest of the crew.
If the place is good, we could end up spending a lot of time and a lot of money!
Hopefully the offer will still be available.

Thanks for your help.

CD

Big30

05-17-10, 08:01

Thanks for the info B30.
I hope to get to VillaVertigo sometime in June with the rest of the crew.

Thanks for your help.

CD

The offer "free entry on Sunday if you have visited the club during the previous week" is still valid! You will not find the offer on the VV weblog. But when I was in LR last Wednesday, one Icebearfriend told me I should tell no lies! So now, I correct my statement!

I am not a VV expert :), but all I can tell, only based upon my Dutch Icebear friends experiences is that VV is OK, but not on Sunday!
Visit VV on Friday or Saturday.

B30

Capt Dan

05-17-10, 23:24

Thank you for the information Big30. Myself and the guys hope to travel and check out a few clubs near Dusseldorf and possibly Bonn/Cologne.
GoldenTime, LivingRoom, Planet Happy Garden and VillaVertigo are all on the to-do list.
I think we might be visiting VillaVertigo on a Thursday, possibly Friday. We will definitely report back on the clubs which we visit.

CD

The offer "free entry on Sunday if you have visited the club during the previous week" is still valid! You will not find the offer on the VV weblog. But when I was in LR last Wednesday, one Icebearfriend told me I should tell no lies! So now, I correct my statement!

I am not a VV expert :), but all I can tell, only based upon my Dutch Icebear friends experiences is that VV is OK, but not on Sunday!
Visit VV on Friday or Saturday.

B30

Mahal

05-22-10, 01:44

Very nice place with a quiet and a discotheque part. I liked the girls dancing to the music and stayed there at the bar almost until closing, lots of ambiance and the girls are not pushy at all.

Then I remembered why I came, or rather that I did not want to go before I came as Bette Middler famously said, and picked a Romanian for a not-so memorable experience.

I might go back for the surroundings but did not like the place as much as World or Golden Time.

Mahal

05-22-10, 22:16

Besides you not so memorable Romanian, her name would be handy, good to know who to avoid, can you enlighten us about any more of the line up.

Thank You

IP, I would lie if I told you I remember her name, as I said she was not memorable and quite frankly I don't think I even asked for her name, it was almost closing and I had drunk enough to not care, just wanted to get laid before leaving.

The line up was fine, about 40 girls with the majority being from the CIS, about half of them were doable and maybe 10-20% were in the 8-10 category, depending on your opinion of silicone breasts. For the most part the girls won't approach you unless you approach them. As I mentioned in my post there was a good spirit in the place, on one side it was pretty much like a small disco where you can do anyone, the other side was mostly for people wishing to relax, sleep or have a quiet conversation. I think beer is free and they charge for everything else. The attendant at the door was great, would have rather done her instead!

Rwaters

06-08-10, 03:14

Wry Cooter

06-09-10, 00:40

My maiden voyage to VV and I really liked this place. Was tempted to go to someplace I had been before (PHG or GT) or even try Living Room which seems to get good reviews. However, the marketing of VV's website had me intrigued, what with all their photos and their blog site. The pool looked nice, the girls looked nice, the reviews on this site were solid. So I arrive rather early, around 2pm. I spend most of the afternoon just walking around, smoking my zigaretten, and having some beer. Slowly the talent starts to trickle in. My first session was with...

KITTY, mid 20s German/French mix from the area around Avignon (Sur la femme...d'Avignon...). Rather tall (1.74m she informs me), dark hair with bangs and a ponytail. Tall, willowy, model-like (she later tells me that she did ballet as a child) with a narrow face and a tattoo of a kitty in the small of her back. She's sporting fishnet stockings and seems rather aloof. I approach and we have a nice conversation by the bar in the lounge area. She tells me about her dog Max, I tell her how much I enjoy doggy style. It goes well and we end up in a room upstairs for some very sweet soft french kissing, some 69'ing (lovely little kitty) and varied positions, the highlight of which was in doggy with a great view of her kitty tattoo. Being my first of the day and the first for a long while, it's a bit of a quickie but a good quickie. We head downstairs to take care of business and discuss the possibility of perhaps a menage a trois later that day or tomorrow (this never comes to pass but maybe on my next visit).

I avail myself of some more complimentary beer and chill out on the rear deck. By late afternoon the place is starting to get more crowded. A DJ shows up and they start setting up for an outdoor bbq, of which I had a couple helpings. Very good wurst and kielbasa, bbq chicken, bacon, potatoes, and some dessert. I am standing behind a lovely lass wearing a short shirt/skirt with the bottom of her ass hanging out. Again, she's just my type: tall, leggy, even prettier than Kitty and a little more extroverted and dynamic. After a little rest after dinner, I finally track her down in the disco area where the music is blaring. I find out her name is...

STEFFI, early 20s German descent. Tall (maybe 1.7m) brunette with straight medium length hair, great legs and ass, and a striking face. I feel like I see a lot of young Hollywood starlets with similar features (their names escape me...). We talk briefly and she mentions how she wishes the DJ was playing more hip hop instead of house. I awkward ask Bist du frei? to which she replies Yes! We quickly scurry up to a room with a lovely balcony and she tells me how much she loves anal. I express my preference for a nice long BJ with CIM. Her negotiating techniques prove to be better than mine (she literally had me in the palm of her hand) and I agree to 50 euro for the added service (though I argued valiantly for 25 being the typical tip). No matter, she proves to be a pretty good oral artist. Great DT with the ability to go fast and deep. I almost lose it immediately but regroup and get her into several great positions. She's particularly athletic in cowgirl, really pounding away at me with much noise. Through the open balcony doors, I can hear the people below egging us on. I hold out for as long as possible and again get her into doggy where it is my turn to pound away. At the last moment I am able to get her back into position to receive the payload. She goes to spit it out and we enjoy a smoke on the balcony, conversing with the men and women sitting below us. Back downstairs...

This time I'm a bit spent and hold up on under an outdoor canopy even though it is after dark and getting a bit chilly. Doesn't bother me, I'm quite warm and need the girls to leave me alone for a little bit while I rest and recharge. However by about 11:30pm, I am starting to feel that urge again and wander around looking for someone I saw during dinner. An unlucky girl, she got to the buffet just in time to miss out on getting the last piece of dessert (more came later). Like a gentleman (or is that a snake?) I run over and give her mine, hoping this will curry favor for great session later. She's got bright red hair, pale skin, and is wearing a wispy white dress. Slightly introverted, unsure of herself and a bit shy. It's a stark contrast to all the in-your-face, tanned, buxom, bikini-clad ladies in the house. I had hoped to see her earlier in the evening but she seemed to always be in a room. Finally I see her in the disco area, rocking out to the music. She sees me, smiles, and waves me over. Turns out her name is...

XENIA (she pronounced it SEN-ya), petite (1.4m?) 18 year old Lithuanian with a very special look. Bright red/orange hair and milky white skin. Thin with a nice tight little body. It turns out it was her first day. In fact, here is a new gallery that I see of her today: http://saunaclub.com/ladies/?album=1&gallery=251 She's spunky and still unjaded. At any rate, she can't keep still in the disco and is rubbing up against me in just the right way. I quickly say Let's Go! and we're off to one of the little rooms behind the solarium. Not quite as nice as the upstairs but it'll do. She rips off her clothes and jumps onto the bed, pulling me with her. She is an incredibly passionate kisser and it's very GFE. I rub her with my hand and she is incredibly wet already. But we spend some time with me in her sweet little mouth first. She's very enthusiastic but you can also tell she's still young. Whatever, she's gotten me pretty hot and bothered and I don the protection so that I may enter. Incredibly tight as you might imagine and she's very responsive. We keep at it for a while but since it's my third time I tell myself that if I see the goal, I should aim to score. Once again in doggy, I hit my mark. I'm wishing I had just held out for a little longer as she's still rarin' to go but I promise that if I return the next day, I'll catch her earlier for a longer session (alas, no).

Finally, I have a brief flirtation with RAFFAELA, a stunning, tall German woman (maybe 1.8m) with a lovely tan and a beautiful face. See her here in this gallery from the website: http://saunaclub.com/ladies/?album=1&gallery=248 She almost convinces me to go for round 4 but I'm fairly certain that it would be a dead end for me at that hour. So tempting. I'm still kicking myself a bit about not going for it but I decided to live to fight another day. I had big plans to drive to Frankfurt and check out Oase or World. In the end I went to both the next day and both paled in comparison to the talent level I saw at VV that day. In addition to Raffaela, there were definitely a couple more that I wanted to sample. Next trip!

Basketcase

06-22-10, 00:05

This is the nicest facility I have visited. Very poch.

Unfortunatley, I went on a Sunday and the lineup was not great.
I was told that on the previous Saturday night...there were 90 girls. There were 30 when I was there.

I met a nice one. Took her to room...and the ambiance, girl and room was great. I stayed a long time in the room!!! No regret.

Highly recommend the club...but not on a Sunday.

I did not follow BC's daily guide (which was a mistake) due to the fact I was with other ISG members and I accomodated their itineraries.
Roger Waters,

I am glad that you liked VV. I still find it a club which you can go to if you do not want to fuck and just want to enjoy the wellness facilities.

The jacuzzis are ill placed in the middle of the new wing's bar area and take forever to fill such that I have never used them.

I did say to you not to go on Sunday and go somewhere else. Even in his writings to the crew when we asked for advice, Stephan who is the VV general manager did say Fridays and Saturdays are the best days to visit the VV club. Closing time is open ended to about 3 am or 4 am which is excellent for the NRW region since only Living Room really competes on that closing time. I mean this is the VV manager's own recommendation.

The craic from the girls and the DJ pumping tunes is fantastic. You are like in a night club with gorgeous women that you know are easy to get into bed with you. Priceless!!

I did go recently on my NRW tour and had a good time using the facilities and fucking slim, blond Olga from Russland formerly known as Veronica from Vilnius, Lithuania. LOL. Damage was a fiddy. Olga is a repeat for me.

If you go to VV on any day from Monday to Saturday you can get entry free on Sunday. So two entrances to VV for the price of a single fiddy notes.

There were men from all over the region in the club. Netherlands, Belgians, French, Swiss, Luxembourgish, Germans, Americans, Turks, Albanians, Asians and British.

For dinner we ate barbequed meats like chicken wings, legs, chicken breasts, pork slices, pork steaks, various types of sausages (wurst) with salads and chocolate mousse for dessert.

The DJ played some really hypnotic tunes and the red robed bears and scantily clad ladies went wild dancing and pulling shapes on the dance floor in the old wing.

New wing is the chill out area or as the French were saying to the Netherlands and English speakers was the gay peoples' area.

Vito Corleone

06-23-10, 00:00

I did go recently on my NRW tour and had a good time using the facilities and fucking slim, blond Olga from Russland formerly known as Veronica from Vilnius, Lithuania. LOL. Damage was a fiddy. Olga is a repeat for me.Olga is a pretty girl with a nice slim bod, but I thought her service was average @ best.

Creature2

06-30-10, 05:29

day 3

i had two fast days and i hope i found peace at last at villa; previous day is here; http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1038188&postcount=340

this day, we have commited to do the villa vertigo. lastman should suppose to arrive in the morning time to weeze airport but had a problem with ryanair flight, he could join us, later in the midnight.

this was my first time in villa vertigo. this was always on my to do list, altogether with planet happy garden, but always, golden time beats over. and there were the rumors saying that line-up wasn’t good enough in villa vertigo. this judgement was too strong, not letting me even not to read the special thread for this villa. but when i see the line-up with my own eyes, i really did regret that i waited till today to visit the place, since they opened two years ago.

the premises has been already well described. this is subjected two separated buildings. a modern building linked by a corridor (which hosts the lockers and showers, toilet etc) to an antic big residence house. there are two contact areas and two bars. the rooms are located upstairs of the old villa. i saw two different rooms that day, both rooms were really amazing. this reminds me old palaces converted into fine hotels, across europe. the rooms are really spacious enough maybe to hold a second bed. there is flat screens and also an ensuite bathroom in the rooms. i am really impressed by the rooms. at least, it give an impression like you are doing sex like nobles do.

the wellness area is a bit small, sauna is ok, a real whirpool lacks. there are two tubes that you can fill if you need a jacuzzi, they were mostly empty an unused. the barber and the solarium were mostly to attract girls, not the punters.

i believe the outdoor and also two balconies were the strongest points of villa. but as the weather didn’t permit, i didn’t had much get used of them, neither the garden, nor the pool or long chairs.

the line-up

first of all, i should underline this was a friday, one of two days of the week described the best day for villa vertigo. in the morning time, there were few girls venturing arouns, they were mostly in the main lounge, eating, chating, drinking and waiting. later in the evening, there were moe girls, all around the club. there were enough baltic girls (to name latvia, russia, lithuania) to attract my taste, there were also some fine romanians and nice germans. there were less milfs here, than golden time. villa girls were almost twenty somethings. there is not much stunners like you find in golden time, they were mostly 7 or 8s. i saw only a single 8.5, tall, thin german girl this night.

marina

this was my first villa girl which i went to the room. actualy, marina should be a latin name, a bit strange for a baltic girl. she says she is from st.petersburg but later, i learn that she is from riga. she is a young brunette with blue eyes. when i returned home, i checked the french forum for her, she had always bad reports, but for my parts, i really enyojed her in the room. she is a 75 euro/hour girl, so i booked her for an hour. the first half an hour, we had foreplayed in the bed, lots of deep kissing, caressing, touching. she has even an interesting skill to ride your cock, without protection and without penetration. she just rubbed the cock with the lips of her pussy. i had feared, twice, that this could slip inside, without rubber, but hopefully, this has never happened. after this process, we had done more serious action with protection. this was also nice and repetable. after an hour, i couldn’t finish and she reached me to completion with her hands. but when she checked the result, she didn’t like the product produced in the end, she said “this is not sperm, this is [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)”. to be honnest, this was my seventh cum in three days and i am not in my twenties any more, and i can do is only this, after i turned fourties since a few years. i didn’t understand why she received bad reports (maybe she is a bit distant in the lounge, but not in the room) but i highly recommend marina and might repeat her in my next time, when in villa.

nikita

she is a russian milf, who also works in golden time. she is a bit pro, especially on money issue. i just asked her the rate for one hour, she said it is 100 euro, and i didn’t commit for an hour, my intention was to finish the session in 30 minutes, but should clearify it, barely.
when we were in the room, it all started very good. she is an experimented russian women, nice blowjob, nice skill of sex. after some foreplay, she slipped the condom and told me “welcome to russia!” when she sat over my erected dick and she rides me wild (like lilli does in golden time, the previous day). she knew my intention to visit moscow and st. petersburg, that is why she wanted to show me the most that she can deliver. it was nice. but after 30 min, i couldn’t finished and told her i wanted to stop the session in 30 minutes. she told me we already passed the time barrier and we were for 50 min in the room. that was a big lie, i had a big watch and she saw that. the only thing, i didn’t started the chrono, that is why i didn’t argue with her and let her cheat me with the timing. in this second period, i hopefully finished into her, while in spoon.

after we had finished, she wanted to have a mens opinion (it was me, actually) related to an issue with her personal life. we had stayed another full hour to discuss this issue. i had cold, get my bathrobe. i had also [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134), in the middle of this conversation. when we gone to lockers, she says she won’t charge for that extra time, she charges just 100 euro for an hour. later, a friend told me i had a real value by staying in the room two hours, for 100 euro, but she screwed my brain.

the party atmosphere

nowadays, clubs tend to create a party atmosphere inside the club. for that, they utilise a live dj and fast music. world and oase has done that for the weekends, and obviously, villa vertigo also has it for friday and saturday, where they have an open end, but in reality, they are just open till 3 am. the party helps the girls and punters get into the mood easily. it is nice to watch some half naked romanian girls dancing. it is also nice to watch the russian teens, dancing like crazy. this reminds me of the fun time i had in the walking street bars in pattaya. this fun part that you can get easily in spanish and thai club was missing in german fkks and sauna club, but the managements fixed it by a live dj music and by throwing those parties in some special days. and that also helped to attract some younger generation of punters in the clubs.

fazit: it is really a pity that i underestimated this villa since two years. maybe the line-up wasn’t good, at that time, but now, it is ok for me and i would like to repeat it. the french forum has huge information on each girls. before going next time, i will do the necessary research either from forums, either from their blogs. and yes, the promotion of sunday free of charge entry still continues, if you happen to visit the club in the same week.

my last day debauchery bring me to a dirty place, where also, i had much enjoyed for 2 hours i stayed, this is the shithole penelope in essen.
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