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NicFrenchy
01-26-07, 04:34
Let's face it, the problem is that, 99% of men coming here only encounter BGs, freelancers etc. who's behaviour is not typically Thai anymore. This is True. However I am sure the said BGs, Freelancers etc. do behave totally different when outside of their work context.

I have met some Adorable Ladies who work in P4P venues, and their attitudes when outside the bar are totally opposite as their attitude at work ;)

I work in Thailand and I can tell you some of the "honest" Working Thai ladies are no better (if not worse) than some P4P girls.

MarkLatham
01-26-07, 08:56
I have had 27 years experience with a thai wife and thai born son.

I have found the thai to be lying, cheating, lazy, unpunctual, vain bastards-but apart from that they are alright.

Retired Army
01-26-07, 09:12
This is True. However I am sure the said BGs, Freelancers etc. do behave totally different when outside of their work context.

I have met some Adorable Ladies who work in P4P venues, and their attitudes when outside the bar are totally opposite as their attitude at work ;)

I work in Thailand and I can tell you some of the "honest" Working Thai ladies are no better (if not worse) than some P4P girls.

As many of my firiends have discovered:

You can take the girl out of the bar, but you never get the bar out of the girl.

Old Thai Hand
01-26-07, 16:06
I work in Thailand and I can tell you some of the "honest" Working Thai ladies are no better (if not worse) than some P4P girls.

I don't know how long you've been working in Thailand or how many regular Thai women you know. But, I have to disagree with you. There is a huge difference in terms of dress, behaviour and how they speak Thai between everyday Thai women and P4P. The more regular Thai women you encounter, the more you will realize this. Whether one is better than the other depends on your POV and what you are interested in.

The Traveler
01-27-07, 00:49
I have had 27 years experience with a thai wife and thai born son.

I have found the thai to be lying, cheating, lazy, unpunctual, vain bastards-but apart from that they are alright.
Mark,

I don't want to be respectless towards your (ex?)wife, but are those experiences based on her behaviour or do you speak about Thais in general ?

Were did you meet her ? Was she a regular or a P4P ?

Thanks

The Traveler
01-27-07, 00:59
Let's face it, the problem is that, 99% of men coming here only encounter BGs, freelancers etc. who's behaviour is not typically Thai anymore. So, they get a completely distorted view of how Thai women are supposed to behave. The hapless monger walking down Suk. slobbering all over his LBFM, who's tarted up in short-shorts, bare-mid-riff, tits hangind out, talking in loud, gutteral Isaan dialect and walking like, well, a hooker is oblivious to the fact that this isn't in the slightest, a representation of Thai womanhood and is in fact a slap in the face of Thai womanhood and Thai culture.

OTH,

even though I agree with many/most things you say, I also believe you put people too fast into a certain box.

Of course there are people like the ones you describe, but there are also many more others. Not all tourists act as you say, not all P4P behave like that and not all Isaan girls are uneducated fools. Your own GF is one good example.

I wonder why you either do exaggerate all the time or do have so many prejudices.

Old Thai Hand
01-27-07, 04:31
OTH,

even though I agree with many/most things you say, I also believe you put people too fast into a certain box.

Of course there are people like the ones you describe, but there are also many more others. Not all tourists act as you say, not all P4P behave like that and not all Isaan girls are uneducated fools. Your own GF is one good example.

I wonder why you either do exaggerate all the time or do have so many prejudices.

I didn't exaggerate. I was speaking of the majority one sees. There are lots of Isaan girls who speak both Thai and Isaan properly and politely in a lovely, soft tone, and carry themselves well, my GF being one of them.

Again you're coming very late to a conversation (that also included PosterLion and others) about the difference between P4P and regular Thai women. It was not against ALL Isaan women or anyone else. It was merely a discussion about the rude language and behaviour of many P4P, not specifically aimed at Isaan girls, either. Not all P4P are like this. But, IMHO, based on observation and experience, I think most are.

Anyway, I will take what you say under advisement and try to be less declarative and temper my opinions by always acknowledging the exceptions.

Cheers

Retired Army
01-27-07, 09:51
I have found the thai to be lying, cheating, lazy, unpunctual, vain bastards-but apart from that they are alright.

Some of them are, no doubt, but these people can be found anywhere.

The Thais that I know are some of the most honest, hard working people I have ever seen. Unpunctual yes, but usually because of the difficulty getting from point A to point B if not using the BTS. My GF quickly learned that when I say we are leaving at 09:00 that isn't Thai time. It means between 08:59 and 09:01 we are out he door. She once had to come up to Chiang Mai by bus when I left her at the house when she wasn't ready to leave for the airport when I was. After that, no problems.

M P Lurker
01-28-07, 14:54
Some of them are, no doubt, but these people can be found anywhere.

The Thais that I know are some of the most honest, hard working people I have ever seen. Unpunctual yes, but usually because of the difficulty getting from point A to point B if not using the BTS. My GF quickly learned that when I say we are leaving at 09:00 that isn't Thai time. It means between 08:59 and 09:01 we are out he door. She once had to come up to Chiang Mai by bus when I left her at the house when she wasn't ready to leave for the airport when I was. After that, no problems.
Thais aren't very direct.
If they say they will meet you, they could mean maybe.
If they say that maybe they will go, that means its very unlikely.
And excessive lateness is the norm for a meeting.
My GF could easily be a whole day late on occasions, which is dangerous as tends to inadvertently encourage my mongering activities.

LittleBigMan
01-29-07, 02:07
Aside from getting up in time to take our son to school and pick him up on time my wife doesn't sweat it too much. For us xpat we have to adjust somewhat. Oh I forgot! When it comes to eating she waits for no one!

LBM

MilesToGo
01-29-07, 03:30
Thais aren't very direct.
If they say they will meet you, they could mean maybe.
If they say that maybe they will go, that means its very unlikely.
......cut

Mick,
not to be a basher - but since we are talking about ladies in general. The following was taken from a north american forum. Of course tongue-in-cheek fiction or not ....?

WOMEN'S ENGLISH

1. Yes = No
2. No = Yes
3. Maybe = No
4. We need = I want
5. I am sorry = You'll be sorry
6. We need to talk = You're in trouble
7. Sure, go ahead = You better not
8. Do what you want = You will pay for this later
9. I am not upset = Of course I am upset you moron
10. You're very attentive tonight = Is sex all you ever think about?

MEN'S ENGLISH

1. I am hungry = I am hungry
2. I am sleepy = I am sleepy
3. I am tired = I am tired
4. Nice dress = Nice cleavage!
5. I love you = let's have sex now
6. I am bored = Do you want to have sex?
7. May I have this dance? = I'd like to have sex with you
8. Can I call you sometime? = I'd like to have sex with you
9. Do you want to go to a movie? = I'd like to have sex with you
10. Can I take you out to dinner? = I'd like to have sex with you
11. Those shoes don't go with that outfit = I'm gay

The Traveler
01-30-07, 23:15
Anyway, I will take what you say under advisement and try to be less declarative and temper my opinions by always acknowledging the exceptions.

OTH,

thanks. Maybe I am too pedantic, but I use terms like "most", "(vast) majority", "usually" and the like if I mean most and not all. Your posts often read like generalizations even if you did not intend to sound like that.

Rebad
01-31-07, 02:41
Any advise here.

Should I really pay $2,000 and have an attorney in Thailand help with all the paperwork, doctors visit, police records check, interview at the US embassy?

My girl is very sharp and not the least bit lazzy.

I cant imagine its that difficult to get all the papers together and have a successfull interview.

Am I wrong?

The Traveler
01-31-07, 21:55
Rebad,

I don't know about the US embassy, but from my experiences with EU embassies I think that hiring an attorney isn't necessary or would increase your chances of getting a visa for your GF.
Getting the papers should be no prob. An attorney can't alter the contents of the documents and can't be of help during the interview, so what is he good for ?

M P Lurker
02-01-07, 10:05
Mick,
not to be a basher - but since we are talking about ladies in general. The following was taken from a north american forum. Of course tongue-in-cheek fiction or not ....?

yes . Very amusing but also very true.

It took me some time to realise that a girlfriend's major purpose is sex.
And therefore a major GF selection criteria is how good she is in bed, how often she is horny, and how hot she looks.
Otherwise she is no more useful than an ordinary friend.
I like girls who just get their gear off automatically when arriving home from somewhere as if to say "I'm real sexy - do you want me now?". Sleeping nude is also essential.

One of my ex-GFs seemed to answer NO to every question even if the answer was really yes.
My ex farang wife was upset by any question whatsoever.

Globoid
02-01-07, 13:44
On my last visit to BKK I stayed with the same Isaan GF for some days and got to know her well. She told me many things about life in BKK. I met both sides of her life, both "the bar friends" and "thai friends".

She had a sponsor sending her 30.000 bath pr. month for the last 4 years. He was a fat, ugly farang! Well, it proved to me that there is alot of funny farangs around the world. He was not living in LOS so anyway he could not be "taken good care of" by the girl he was sponsor for anyway.

This farang does realy exist - paying 30.000 bath pr. month for 4 years - for almost nothing. Anyway it was a fun time with her and she is doing well today. She got education and got a job while I stayed with her, so for her it was just perfect.

Keep up the good work!

Opebo
02-01-07, 14:46
I'm seeing two right now - both very middle class, one successful in her own right (university lecturer), the other a family hanger on. The successful one is curvaceous - thus not at all my type, while the other one is thin. Alas thin one won't put out, curvy does. So I stopped answering thin one's calls for a week and she never stopped calling and messaging. She finally showed up at my door yesterday at 7:00 AM, but would still only fool around, no intercourse.

What the hell is with these persistent yet teasing girls? Maybe it is my utter lack of interest that eggs her on. No idea. Anyway now I have to try to get rid of curvy but easy. Lesson, if any - P4P is infinitely better than this tiresomeness.

Old Thai Hand
02-01-07, 16:31
I'm seeing two right now - both very middle class, one successful in her own right (university lecturer), the other a family hanger on. The successful one is curvaceous - thus not at all my type, while the other one is thin. Alas thin one won't put out, curvy does. So I stopped answering thin one's calls for a week and she never stopped calling and messaging. She finally showed up at my door yesterday at 7:00 AM, but would still only fool around, no intercourse.

What the hell is with these persistent yet teasing girls? Maybe it is my utter lack of interest that eggs her on. No idea. Anyway now I have to try to get rid of curvy but easy. Lesson, if any - P4P is infinitely better than this tiresomeness.I find this situation quite humorous, especially with the thin one. She sounds typically psycho. Treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen. Welcome to the real world of Thai women. ROFLMAO

I think given your predilections, Mr. O, P4P is probably the way to go. Good luck.

Opebo
02-01-07, 17:26
She sounds typically psycho. Treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen. Welcome to the real world of Thai women.Yes, she seems very typical to me, and so not very interesting. I'm not sure to which of us you are attributing the meanness, or the keenness - I'm neither, just my usual indifferent. Which I will admit sometimes works with these women. However I can't imagine there being anything simpler than 'if you put out, I will answer your calls, if you don't, why on earth would I?'. I haven't stated this explicitly yet, perhaps I shall.


I think given your predilections, Mr. O, P4P is probably the way to go. Good luck.Thank you sir. I just came from another wonderful session with a P4P girl I visit weekly. So satisfying by comparison, and only 500 baht!

Old Thai Hand
02-01-07, 17:45
Yes, she seems very typical to me, and so not very interesting. I'm not sure to which of us you are attributing the meanness, or the keenness - I'm neither, just my usual indifferent. Which I will admit sometimes works with these women. However I can't imagine there being anything simpler than 'if you put out, I will answer your calls, if you don't, why on earth would I?'. I haven't stated this explicitly yet, perhaps I shall.

Thank you sir. I just came from another wonderful session with a P4P girl I visit weekly. So satisfying by comparison, and only 500 baht!Yes, your indifference (i.e. treating her mean) will keep her pestering you with incessant sms and calls. This is very typical Thai girl behavior. I remember years ago, a student who I was quite hot for, but who had a Thai BF, at the time, asked me once, "Teacher, what does 'blowing hot and cold' mean?" Apparently her Thai BF had learned this phrase and had used it on her. I did eventually get a chance to find out, first hand what her BF meant, and despite her absolutely amazing body and face, I cut my losses after one too many attempts.

I probably could nail her now, if I had a chance. Somehow, in the intervening years, I've figured out how to get most TGs into bed. Damned if I could explain it. But, it seems to happen more than I expect.

Still, as negative as I am about P4P sometimes, there is something quite appealing about the 'guarantee' of it, and most importantly the 3F aspect.

Retired Army
02-02-07, 12:49
Any advise here.

Should I really pay $2,000 and have an attorney in Thailand help with all the paperwork, doctors visit, police records check, interview at the US embassy?

My girl is very sharp and not the least bit lazzy.

I cant imagine its that difficult to get all the papers together and have a successfull interview.

Am I wrong?There is absolutely no reason to pay a lawyer to do the paperwork. You can get it done for as little as 4,000 THB. And if you girl is willing to do the leg work and fill out the papers it doesn't cost anything other than the visa application fee. Having a lawyer in no way gurantees a visa, especially at the U.S. Embassy.

Sean_Double
02-05-07, 16:19
There is absolutely no reason to pay a lawyer to do the paperwork. You can get it done for as little as 4,000 THB. And if you girl is willing to do the leg work and fill out the papers it doesn't cost anything other than the visa application fee. Having a lawyer in no way gurantees a visa, especially at the U.S. Embassy.I agree completely with Retired Army.

The K-1 visa process is really pretty straightforeward and there is no reason to pay a lawyer for filling out forms. I let my then fiancee/now wife gather the required documents and get certified translations while I took care of the paperwork. The cost was minimal over the cost of filing the K-1 and everything went smoothly; I was actually surprised how effecient and actually nice the staff at the U.S. Embassy was.

Tip: When it comes time to get an appointment for an interview dress nicely and go with your girlfriend to the Embassy. At that time if you have any questions about paperwork or whatever you can ask questions and get advice and if all goes well they will schedule an interviw much earlier than the standard wait. I have a feeling that they are sort of hip to who is legitimate and who is not and your presence rather than a lawyer is a big plus.

Cheers,

Sean

Rebad
02-05-07, 23:09
Tip: When it comes time to get an appointment for an interview dress nicely and go with your girlfriend to the Embassy. At that time if you have any questions about paperwork or whatever you can ask questions and get advice and if all goes well they will schedule an interviw much earlier than the standard wait. I have a feeling that they are sort of hip to who is legitimate and who is not and your presence rather than a lawyer is a big plus.

Cheers,

SeanI dont have time away from work to plan an open-ended trip to BKK ask for the interview appointment and hope they schedule within the 30 days a tourist visa is valid.

Couldent I have her bring a typed and signed letter of introduction from me to her interview?

Rebad
02-05-07, 23:42
I just came across this on another site.

The statement is:

"If she has dark skin people (farangs and thais) will assume she's a *****, even if she's not, and if she has white skin, the contrary applies. Also, if she has dark skin, she will generally be considered more attractive and "exotic" in a western country, and is therefore more likely to be propositioned than if she looks like your average milky-white plain-as-dish-water chinese girl, of which there an abundance of in the West already"

Is this true and would it explain the desire to appear light.

Sean_Double
02-05-07, 23:57
I don't have time away from work to plan an open-ended trip to BKK ask for the interview appointment and hope they schedule within the 30 days a tourist visa is valid.

Couldent I have her bring a typed and signed letter of introduction from me to her interview? Rebad, You don't really need to have an open ended trip. Here's how it works: You need to submit an I-129 F with all the information it asks for and the fee to the USCIS here in the US. It takes the USCIS about four months to approve it (longer if they need more information); USCIS then forewards the approved I-129 F to Homeland Security and after about two more weeks they foreward it to the US Embassy in Bangkok. You can keep yourself posted on the progress of the petition online on the USCIS website.

Once the approved I-129 is finally at the Embassy they then take their time actually scheduling the interview. At this point you can go with your fiancee to the Embassy as I suggested to get them to make the interview appointment and ask any questions or whatever. At this time they'll give her more instructions about what to bring to the interview (medical exam results etc.)

When the interview is scheduled they make a point of saying that she needs to come alone; you're not invited. If she passes the interview they issue her visa there on the spot.

The bottom line is that you can do all of this yourself, without a lawyer. It can also be done without you ever even having to go to Thailand, but it's probably best if you do at the point that the I-129 F is approved

Don't worry about any kind of "letter of introduction, " by the time you've submitted all the stuff that you need to like tax returns, financial guarentees, letters from employers etc. , you'll have introduced yourself enough.

Cheers,

Sean

Aslan
02-06-07, 00:42
Light skin or dark skin. It's a class thing. Light skin is associated with education and refinement while dark skin is just the opposite. Consider the fact that people who work outside, such as farmers, are darker and may have different features such as rough calloused hands and more lines on their faces from squinting in the sunlight while people who spend their time indoors will not have these same qualities. The desire to have white skin means others will look at them in a different way. My girlfriend is from Issan and she's always talking about her black skin, which I think is really hot, and her Issan nose. When we go outside she's always covered up and wearing lots of sunblock. Used to be the same thing in America and Europe. People putting powder on their skin to appear whiter and disassociate themselves with working class people was the norm at one time and now everyone wants a tan.

Old Thai Hand
02-06-07, 04:00
Light skin or dark skin. It's a class thing. Light skin is associated with education and refinement while dark skin is just the opposite. Consider the fact that people who work outside, such as farmers, are darker and may have different features such as rough calloused hands and more lines on their faces from squinting in the sunlight while people who spend their time indoors will not have these same qualities. The desire to have white skin means others will look at them in a different way. My girlfriend is from Issan and she's always talking about her black skin, which I think is really hot, and her Issan nose. When we go outside she's always covered up and wearing lots of sunblock. Used to be the same thing in America and Europe. People putting powder on their skin to appear whiter and disassociate themselves with working class people was the norm at one time and now everyone wants a tan.

Basically correct.

However, the other factor that causes Thais to consider dark skin ugly is also what kind of face the dark skin is on. Because the majority of Isaan people are ethnically related to Lao, the Thais not only think they're ugly because of skin colour, but also because they have "Na Lao" or Lao faces which they consider course-looking: short, flat wide noses, big foreheads and pointy, high cheekbones instead of the soft, round and more refined faces of Central Thais. Add to this that most Isaan people are poor farmers and the element of class comes into play. Ethnic Thais living in Isaan even look down on the locals.

Southern Thais, while being dark-skinned are not viewed the same way because many have a mixture of Chinese, Thai, Indian and Malay blood which makes them quite beautiful and also, many are involved in trade and are quite wealthy. Even southern farmers are quite well-off compared to their impoverished Isaan brethren.
The same is true in the areas just north and west of Bangkok in Nakon Sawan, and Ayutthaya, for example where people are dark, but have very refined feautures.

Above all, to Thais, the ultimate in beauty is seen in Northern girls from Lanna (Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai etc.).

Anyway, Thais will probably view any dark-skined TG with a Farang as being a hooker even if she's not. But, if the girl is white-skinned, she will be viewed as probably HiSo, even if she's not. My GF, who has pearlescent white skin is often mistaken for a HiSo northern Thai. She is neither HiSo nor northern, but middle-class, from Isaan and speaks Isaan-Lao. Still, she is treated differently (i.e. with a lot of respect) simply because of how she looks. While, I get a lot of puzzled looks from Thais because I'm not a stereotypical Farang with a dark-skinned Isaan girl attached to my arm. The image of a Farang with a white-skinned girl simply doesn't compute in their brains.

Jungle Bluebird
02-06-07, 04:04
I'm seeing two right now - both very middle class, one successful in her own right (university lecturer), the other a family hanger on. The successful one is curvaceous - thus not at all my type, while the other one is thin. Alas thin one won't put out, curvy does. So I stopped answering thin one's calls for a week and she never stopped calling and messaging. She finally showed up at my door yesterday at 7:00 AM, but would still only fool around, no intercourse.

What the hell is with these persistent yet teasing girls? Maybe it is my utter lack of interest that eggs her on. No idea. Anyway now I have to try to get rid of curvy but easy. Lesson, if any - P4P is infinitely better than this tiresomeness.Going for 'good girl' is certainly more challenging that P4P. However there can be pitfalls.

Dated a girl for over 2 years. Mostly short times, 2x a month, sex was great. Exciting thing was how far I could push her into sexual adventures. Would ask her to wear a skirt, then in the car I would prompt her to take of her underwear. Got her so far as to not wear underwear at all, B/J’s in public paces and what not.

After 2 year I called it quits, and the easiest way of delivering the bad news to her - I figured - was telling her that I was about to get married. Kind of a definite ‘it’s all over’ message.

Probably bad idea. For 8 month I received daily about 10-20 calls on the mobile. Loads of SMS's and vulgarities. I mean unbelievable the shit coming out of that girls mouth. I promise, I did not respond once over that 8 month period. Figured I stay low and it all will pass. Getting a bit paranoid, I decided to go through my lawyer and pay the police to set her straight. Police called her, then visited her office. Did not do the trick, rather upset her more as her attack my private life seemed now justified.

Then, from one day to the next all calls stopped. Wicked and very psycho.

Opebo
02-06-07, 06:53
Personally I love the Isaan face, particularly the more pronounced versions. Love an angular face and body. Give me a thin three-holer from Surin and I'm in heaven.

The paler, more Chinese-looking types tend to have a face which is somehow boring to me - rather neotenous and lacking in character. Additionally I find their bodies less appealing than the typical Isaaner.

Has anyone ever had the situation of giving a 'regular' girl the clap and having to notify her?

Old Thai Hand
02-06-07, 11:24
Has anyone ever had the situation of giving a 'regular' girl the clap and having to notify her?

No. But, I've had a regular girl (daughter of a TRT senator, no less) tell me she was HIV+ - That was a scarey few months. Turned out ok, but I'm still not sure if it was legit and I just dodged the bullet, or a phycho vengence thing on her part.

Terry Terrier
02-06-07, 11:25
Basically correct.

However, the other factor that causes Thais to consider dark skin ugly is also what kind of face the dark skin is on. Because the majority of Isaan people are ethnically related to Lao, the Thais not only think they're ugly because of skin colour, but also because they have "Na Lao" or Lao faces which they consider course-looking: short, flat wide noses, big foreheads and pointy, high cheekbones instead of the soft, round and more refined faces of Central Thais. Add to this that most Isaan people are poor farmers and the element of class comes into play. Ethnic Thais living in Isaan even look down on the locals.

Southern Thais, while being dark-skinned are not viewed the same way because many have a mixture of Chinese, Thai, Indian and Malay blood which makes them quite beautiful and also, many are involved in trade and are quite wealthy. Even southern farmers are quite well-off compared to their impoverished Isaan brethren.
The same is true in the areas just north and west of Bangkok in Nakon Sawan, and Ayutthaya, for example where people are dark, but have very refined feautures.

Above all, to Thais, the ultimate in beauty is seen in Northern girls from Lanna (Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai etc.).

Anyway, Thais will probably view any dark-skined TG with a Farang as being a hooker even if she's not. But, if the girl is white-skinned, she will be viewed as probably HiSo, even if she's not. My GF, who has pearlescent white skin is often mistaken for a HiSo northern Thai. She is neither HiSo nor northern, but middle-class, from Isaan and speaks Isaan-Lao. Still, she is treated differently (i.e. with a lot of respect) simply because of how she looks. While, I get a lot of puzzled looks from Thais because I'm not a stereotypical Farang with a dark-skinned Isaan girl attached to my arm. The image of a Farang with a white-skinned girl simply doesn't compute in their brains.
I believe you. I believe you a thousand times over that Chinese Thais find the Isaan stereotype ugly. Will you believe me that retrousse noses, high foreheads and high cheekbones (the classic supermodel 'look') are considered attractive by large numbers of Westerners? I believe you that Thais snigger at farang men walking with 'ugly' Isaan women on their arms. Will you believe me that farang visitors find plenty to snigger at in Thai behaviour (the biggest chortle being the one over how easily ALL Thais will surpress their moral and cultural sensibilities for some chump change)? I believe you that you worry about what Thais think of farang in general - you have to because you live there. But will you believe me that I don't care? Why should I care? What is so superior about Thai behaviour and culture? That sexist religion that has such a hold on their society? Their stolen culture? Their democracy? Why should I, as a relatively big-spending tourist, kow tow to bullshit sensibilities beyond offering the basic 'please' and 'thankyou' politeness? I just go there for holidays (the weather's great, the temples and waterfalls are aesthetically pleasing and the resorts are fun) and to shag attractive, dark-skinned, high-cheekboned women:).

Old Thai Hand
02-06-07, 11:41
terry

chill. i wasn't making a judgment here, but merely answering a new question on an old topic that, you correctly identify as having been discussed ad nauseum. however, it seems to be a question that turns up now and then. so, i responded with my 2 baht worth.

while it's true that there was a time that i gave a shit about what thais thought because i live here, work for the fuckers and worried about my "position", i've adopted a very laissez-faire attitude in the last year. i could care less about them, largely because i realize that they've already formed their narrow-minded opinions, despite anything i or any other farang can do. since i rub shoulders with the so-called elite (a dubious distinction, at best), i realize it gets worse the higher up you go. the current situation in this country and the general way they do everything makes them a lost cause and worth nothing but derision.

but, hey, i still like white-skinned thai women. it's just my preference, just as it's yours and o****'s and most of the others on here to shag dark-skinned girls, who are at least probably reasonable looking...in the case of cyberspace, the goal is to shag the ugliest, nastiest dark-skinned girl one could find anywhere (sorry. i couldn't resist getting another shot in).

i went to work this morning thinking, "i bet terry terrier will pop up and respond to this". thanks for not disappointing me.

;)


and....now i just realized that maybe the traveler will pop up, too and accuse me of making generalizations about isaan women or thais or something....maybe i'll just go now...lol

Troposcat
02-06-07, 13:12
I have a question that I feel that can be answered on this forum. I have a Thai girl friend that has lived in the you. S. For almost 30 years. She has not been back to Thailand since she left at the age of 19. She was married to a military member that died and has full military dependant status. She needs a passport to go back to Thailand. The only documentation she has after all these years is her Military dependant ID and a you. S driver’s license. I don’t even think she has a green card anymore. What and how do I get everything she needs to go to Thailand and have the documentation to leave Thailand to visit her grandchildren once a year in the states?

Opebo
02-06-07, 17:01
No. But, I've had a regular girl (daughter of a TRT senator, no less) tell me she was HIV+ - That was a scarey few months. Turned out ok, but I'm still not sure if it was legit and I just dodged the bullet, or a phycho vengence thing on her part.

I predict that it was merely a psycho scare tactic.

The bad thing about the clap is, one gets it in Pattaya and then give it to the 2 or 3 doable working girls in one's upcountry town. I'm thinking of trying to explain this to one of my regulars and ask her to take 1g Zithromax provided by me. Any suggestions as to how to do this?

Member #3200
02-06-07, 19:11
i have read your posts for a very long time now Opebo,here's a thought-do the right thing & put a condom on,but i dont think your ego will let you do that so if you have any honour,tell the next p4p woman you are with that you are a diseased gutter rat & let her decide if she wants 2 do you bareback or not

The Traveler
02-06-07, 20:41
Opebo,

it's not just the clap.
Take a look at this link provided by Clandestine782 in the Safe Sex section

http://www.thailandguru.com/health-hiv.html

The Traveler
02-06-07, 20:58
OTH,

I dare to concur, it's not the shape of the face or anything like that. There are as much ugly white-skinned Thais as dark-skinned ones.

Like Asian already said, Thais simply don't like dark skin, because it will mark them as being "poor".

Only poor farmers have to work in the sun, "rich" people work in the office or stay in the shade.

The same logic applied to Europe and the US in the 19th century.

We Westerners just changed that a few decades ago, thinking that people who have a darker skin can afford to travel a lot and therefore must be wealthy.

That's all, you always like what you can't get (easy) and may increase your status.

Why else do people like big and expensive cars?

They don't drive better, consume more fuel, it's harder to find a parking lot and they get stolen more likely. But you make a certain statement with it.

The Traveler
02-06-07, 21:13
Jungle Bluebird,

bad idea, really bad idea.

Why didn't you tell her the truth ?
Your lie was simply stupid (no pun intended) because it made her feel like being betrayed by you. She was available for your troublefree pleasure, did all those things you demanded and must then see that another one is taking the price. According to your lie you cheated her, at least she felt like that.

Be honest, explain why you decided to break up and stay friends.
It worked for me more than once. It's very important that the girl understands the reasons and feel being treated with fairness.

Old Thai Hand
02-07-07, 03:40
OTH,

I dare to concur, it's not the shape of the face or anything like that. There are as much ugly white-skinned Thais as dark-skinned ones.

Like Asian already said, Thais simply don't like dark skin, because it will mark them as being "poor".

Only poor farmers have to work in the sun, "rich" people work in the office or stay in the shade.

The same logic applied to Europe and the US in the 19th century.

We Westerners just changed that a few decades ago, thinking that people who have a darker skin can afford to travel a lot and therefore must be wealthy.

That's all, you always like what you can't get (easy) and may increase your status.

Why else do people like big and expensive cars ?

They don't drive better, consume more fuel, it's harder to find a parking lot and they get stolen more likely. But you make a certain statement with it.I'm fully aware of the historical pre-occupation with having white skin in the West, from the Romans right up to the early 20th century, and the socio-economic reasons for it. For example, elite Roman women used to put lead-based paste on their faces, which made them white, but caused cancer.

You don't need to give me a history lesson. I'm a teacher, remember? I just added further information to what had been said. So, I'm sorry, the shape of the face is indeed a factor in Thai attitudes towards Isaan people. I've heard Thais say time and again, "Na Lao" when they see Isaan people.

Interestingly, even my Isaan GF asked me this morning if I thought she had a Lao face (she doesn't), which seems to be a big concern of hers. Do, I need to go into all the other negative things, Thais say about Isaan people? I think, not.

But, I do understand that everyone expects me to be some dark-skinned hating, Thai-co-opted racist. However, I actually don't think like that. I hate the Thais attitude about skin color and class. Hell, I hate just about everything to do with the upper class attitudes here. As far as I'm concerned most so-called HiSo, monied Thais and the ruling elite are unmitigated scum. A few years of working for them, teaching their children, and dating girls from that stratum has convinced me of that.

Opebo
02-07-07, 04:39
i have read your posts for a very long time now Opebo,here's a thought-do the right thing & put a condom on,but i dont think your ego will let you do that so if you have any honour,tell the next p4p woman you are with that you are a diseased gutter rat & let her decide if she wants 2 do you bareback or not

I shall take your kind suggestions under advisment, Member, though they are not an answer to the question I posed. However, I would note that advising abstinence is more rational, since it is equals plastic-sex in enjoyment with the additional benefit of saving money.

Jungle Bluebird
02-07-07, 10:42
Jungle Bluebird,

bad idea, really bad idea.

Why didn't you tell her the truth ?
Your lie was simply stupid (no pun intended) because it made her feel like being betrayed by you. She was available for your troublefree pleasure, did all those things you demanded and must then see that another one is taking the price. According to your lie you cheated her, at least she felt like that.

Be honest, explain why you decided to break up and stay friends.
It worked for me more than once. It's very important that the girl understands the reasons and feel being treated with fairness.Actually not that stupid. Girl new I have a g/f, i.e. she was quite content with her role all along. Reason I mentioned 'getting married' is that this where usually Thai women draw the line. To date a guy as a second g/f yes, maybe. But to be a 'mia noi', or minor wife, is a different game all together. But yes, she may have felt resented.

I merely pointed out an extreme case of attitude, a liability one engages in when dating 'good girls'. P4P is maybe not as sweet, yet such issues are usually avoided.

LuvumBare
02-07-07, 17:18
If she was married to a US citizen, she may have US citizenship and therefore is qualified for a US passport.

If she is a Thai citizen, she can apply for a Thai passport through her local Thai embassy or consulate. Hopefully she has some form of Thai ID or birth certification.

Because she is a military dependant she has access to advice from any local military base and this will be her easiest source of help.
'bare

NicFrenchy
02-07-07, 17:34
If she was married to a US citizen, she may have US citizenship and therefore is qualified for a US passport.Please keep in mind that a passport is not an ID. It is a travel ID.

Having a US Passport does not necessarily mean you are an American citizen. Only your US ID card (not even your birth cirtificate) will prove your citizenship, not your passport.

Duniawala
02-07-07, 21:37
Please keep in mind that a passport is not an ID. It is a travel ID.

Having a US Passport does not necessarily mean you are an American citizen. Only your US ID card (not even your birth cirtificate) will prove your citizenship, not your passport.
Please don't tell us that is so in France. For the rest of the world, the passport is only given to the citizens of that the country.

Being a US citizen, I have never heard of the US ID card. Enlighten us please.

Duniawala
02-07-07, 21:54
i have a question that i feel that can be answered on this forum. i have a thai girl friend that has lived in the you. s. for almost 30 years. she has not been back to thailand since she left at the age of 19. she was married to a military member that died and has full military dependant status. she needs a passport to go back to thailand. the only documentation she has after all these years is her military dependant id and a you. s driver’s license. i don’t even think she has a green card anymore. what and how do i get everything she needs to go to thailand and have the documentation to leave thailand to visit her grandchildren once a year in the states?
if she was married to a military person and has military dependent benefits then she must have at least a green card (alien resident card). she may have lost the physical card, but she can ask the ins (dept. of homeland security now) to issue a new one. it is permanent status except she is out of the country for more than a year.

if she ever got a us citizenship, she can get a new passport made based on the old passport. call the passport office to get details. the ins should be able to give her a new copy.

also, the military records should have that information.

if she never had us citizenship, the first step should be to locate her green card info. then have her apply at the thai embassy for a new thai passport. contact them for procedures.

good luck.

The Traveler
02-07-07, 22:52
You don't need to give me a history lesson. I'm a teacher, remember?
OTH,

I remember and I don't give you a history lesson, just pointed out that it's not the face the dark skin colour is on that Thais dislike so much but rather the statement you make with your skin colour.

That's what you said :

..
However, the other factor that causes Thais to consider dark skin ugly is also what kind of face the dark skin is on. Because the majority of Isaan people are ethnically related to Lao, the Thais not only think they're ugly because of skin colour, but also because they have "Na Lao" or Lao faces which they consider course-looking: short, flat wide noses, big foreheads and pointy, high cheekbones instead of the soft, round and more refined faces of Central Thais...

Of course there are ugly "Isaan" people (which may be attractive for others, taste differs) but not more than you can find anywhere else. I have seen as many ugly "Central Thais" and even more ugly Farangs.

Saying that the typical Isaan guy/girl is ugly not only because of their skin colour but also because of their type of face is just another step to racism.

Many typical Isaan girls that I have done so far were attractive to most Thais I have met and some Central Thai guys even tried to approach them, of course without success.

And finally, nobody - at least not me - expect you to HATE dark skinned Isaan people or being a racist.
Where and when did I say that (I know you will now refer to my above remark, but I said it's a step towards racism, not that you are a racist.). Don't be a sissy.

Phantomtiger2
02-07-07, 22:53
Being a US citizen, I have never heard of the US ID card. Enlighten us please.



The only "official ID" in the US is pretty much a simple state driver's license. You can take that anywhere in the US and it will be accepted.
For now, Only US citizens can obtain a valid passport.
Any permanent resident that's not a US citizen will have to use the official "green card".


PT

The Traveler
02-07-07, 22:58
Please keep in mind that a passport is not an ID. It is a travel ID.

Having a US Passport does not necessarily mean you are an American citizen. Only your US ID card (not even your birth cirtificate) will prove your citizenship, not your passport.
NicFrenchy,

interesting point of view.

So do you believe that I can get a Thai passport without being a Thai citizen ?

Damn, that's really good info. No visa runs for Farangs anymore and Thai girls don't need to apply for visa anymore too, they now apply for passports :D

Serious, name me any country which issues a passport for people who aren't citizens of that country.
BTW, any passport is as good as any ID, they aren't just travel IDs.

Petrol Pete
02-07-07, 23:02
Please keep in mind that a passport is not an ID. It is a travel ID.

Having a US Passport does not necessarily mean you are an American citizen. Only your US ID card (not even your birth cirtificate) will prove your citizenship, not your passport.Of course it is. 100% acceptable at DMV, banks, schools, Fed offices, police, FBI, CIA military and anyone else I can think of. Also a U.S. passport is ONLY issued to U.S. citizens. Also there is no such thing a US ID card issued to citizens, (maybe issued to seasonal farm workers)

I think that USA and CANADA are the ONLY countries in the world that do not have a govermnet issued ID card, cedula in central / south american countries. We are not a police state (yet)

Old Thai Hand
02-08-07, 00:51
Saying that the typical Isaan guy/girl is ugly not only because of their skin colour but also because of their type of face is just another step to racism.

I'm not saying they're ugly. Thais say they're ugly. Thais are racist. Big surprise.

Anyway, we seem to be arguing...oh...discussing this on the same side of the issue, or are you just trying to pick a fight for no reason. Well, not with me. Maybe 1Ball will come back and go a few rounds with on something or other. ;)

Cheers.

1Ball
02-08-07, 01:11
Maybe 1Ball will come back and go a few rounds with on something or other. ;)
Cheers.
OTH, to quote a good friend of mine: "I am a lover, not a fighter". Hey, I don't got a beef wif nobody.

Old Thai Hand
02-08-07, 01:23
OTH, to quote a good friend of mine: "I am a lover, not a fighter". Hey, I don't got a beef wif nobody.

sorry. I forgots dat you'se guys (Trav and you) are busom buddies.

NicFrenchy
02-08-07, 04:47
Looks Like I fucked up on the passport story LOL :)

in France, Having a French Passport does not mean you are a French Citizen. They only regard it as a Travel ID. If you want to prove you are a French Citizen, only your ID card can do.

I didn't pretend knowing how every country works (shit don't I look stupid now) LOL

Clandestine782
02-08-07, 05:25
A great book for you guys to read on the topic of "Thai Women" is: "Confessions of a Bangkok Private Eye." I found it in a Hong Kong Airport bookstore, but, cheap guy that I am, chose to buy it secondhand on amazon.com.

It's very worth the purchase price and I recommend it to you guys. It takes about and afternoon to read and is full of every single "stupid farang" story that you'll ever need to hear.

NicFrenchy
02-08-07, 05:49
A great book for you guys to read on the topic of "Thai Women" is: "Confessions of a Bangkok Private Eye." This book is old I think. There are a lot of Books about Farangs and Thai girls stories, but nothing beats the real thing: get a Thai lady to tell you some stories. Hilarious situations where the TG thinks her logic is unbeatable LOL.

Retired Army
02-08-07, 09:32
As far as I'm concerned most so-called HiSo, monied Thais and the ruling elite are unmitigated scum.

Thai's equate money and possessions with "class." However, they don't understand that just having money doesn't make you classy. That comes from within and it about how you treat others. A poor person can have a lot of class and a rich person none. Just look at the professional athletes in Western countries.

Old Thai Hand
02-08-07, 10:42
Thai's equate money and possessions with "class." However, they don't understand that just having money doesn't make you classy. That comes from within and it about how you treat others.

Agreed. Just look at Taksin. No class at all and the richest guy in....uh...out of the country.

But, even many so-called members of the Thai nobility are all money and no class. I once dated an "MR". Besides being a *****, and a 2-faced hypocrite, despite her background, she had less class, sometimes than her maid.

The Traveler
02-08-07, 19:45
I'm not saying they're ugly. Thais say they're ugly. Thais are racist. Big surprise.

Anyway, we seem to be arguing...oh...discussing this on the same side of the issue, or are you just trying to pick a fight for no reason. Well, not with me. Maybe 1Ball will come back and go a few rounds with on something or other. ;)

Cheers.
OTH,

I would appreciate if you wouldn't always interpret any disagreement or another opinion as an attempt for a fight.

Read my initial post again and you will see that I made no remark whatsoever about you In fact it was you, who started to whine that people "expect you to be some dark-skinned hating, Thai-co-opted racist.". Astonishingly you also said that "you do understand that everyone" may think like that.

I wouldn't.

The Traveler
02-08-07, 20:04
Looks Like I fucked up on the passport story LOL :)

in France, Having a French Passport does not mean you are a French Citizen. They only regard it as a Travel ID. If you want to prove you are a French Citizen, only your ID card can do.

I didn't pretend knowing how every country works (shit don't I look stupid now) LOL
NicFrenchy,

I have severe doubts that you may get a (non faked) french Passport without being a French citizen. If this would be the case, anybody could apply for a french passport instead of a visa and could stay as long as he/she wants. It would also enable them to live in all other Schengen countries and I am quite certain that such a big hole in the immigration laws would have been closed long ago. Actually, it would also violate the Schengen regulations.

Or do you refer to people that may appear as foreigners - like citizens of Guadeloupe, Martinique, French-Guayana and La Réunion or French Polynesia, New Caledonia, Wallis and Futuna - but are holding french passports ?
Don't forget, these people are in fact French citizens as those places are "Départements et régions d'outre-mer (D.R.O.M.)" or "Territoires d'outre-mer" (T.O.M.)"

Your statement would only be true in part if you refer to people who aren't born as French citizens but become one. I don't know about the regulations in France, but in several countries like Canada e.g. you can keep your previous citizenship of another country and can therefore have multiple citizenships, but that doesn't mean that you aren't a French citizen as well.

In other countries like Germany e.g. you have to give it up, otherwise you can not become a German citizen and will not get a german passport.

In short, only a citizen of a certain country can hold a passport of that country, otherwise you will get a visa which may allow you to stay, live and/or work there.

Thor93
02-08-07, 20:39
i have a question that i feel that can be answered on this forum. i have a thai girl friend that has lived in the you. s. for almost 30 years. she has not been back to thailand since she left at the age of 19. she was married to a military member that died and has full military dependant status. she needs a passport to go back to thailand. the only documentation she has after all these years is her military dependant id and a you. s driver’s license. i don’t even think she has a green card anymore. what and how do i get everything she needs to go to thailand and have the documentation to leave thailand to visit her grandchildren once a year in the states?

the papers here in the us are always running stories about people who have messed up or lost paperwork and ends up being detained by the ins. in the post 9/11 world, the bureacrats in the ins often are quite inflexible. my advice would be to get an opinion from a qualified source like an immigration lawyer before you start dealing with the ins. even if she just gets another thai passport, you still need to get her back into the us at some point and without the proper paperwork in hand, she probably won't even be allowed to get on an airplane. a military id and drivers license will probably not be enough by themselves. unfortunately you are going to have deal with the ins before she leaves for thailand or she may have a really hard time getting back.

Old Thai Hand
02-09-07, 01:10
OTH,

I would appreciate if you wouldn't always interpret any disagreement or another opinion as an attempt for a fight.

ok. Whatever. You seem testy this week. Haven't they compacted the earth at your new abode in Pattaya to the acceptable Teutonic density you expect? sorry. Is that tectonic?


Hey...At least I didn't write in blue. ;)

Retired Army
02-09-07, 08:47
you still need to get her back into the US at some point and without the proper paperwork in hand, she probably won't even be allowed to get on an airplane. A military ID and drivers license will probably not be enough by themselves. Unfortunately you are going to have deal with the INS before she leaves for Thailand or she may have a really hard time getting back.

As of 1 Jan this year, a passport is required for all international flights including Mexico and Canada. This will be extended to land transportation Jan 1, 2008.

Thor93
02-09-07, 15:55
As of 1 Jan this year, a passport is required for all international flights including Mexico and Canada. This will be extended to land transportation Jan 1, 2008.

What I meant was that a Thai passport with a US military dependent ID and drivers license would not be enough to get back into the US. If she leaves the US with a Thai passport, she will need some kind of a visa to get back. And that is where the bureacracy can get sticky.

Lets hope that she got naturalized somewhere along the way and can legitimately get a US passport. Short of that, I have a bad feeling she is going to have to fill out lots of paperwork with the INS. I have read of other similar type cases where the INS acts like real pricks in these situations. It probably depends on just which office and person you end up dealing with though.

The Traveler
02-09-07, 19:10
ok. Whatever. You seem testy this week. Haven't they compacted the earth at your new abode in Pattaya to the acceptable Teutonic density you expect? sorry. Is that tectonic?

Hey...At least I didn't write in blue. ;)
OTH,

jealous ? :)

Grow up.

Old Thai Hand
02-10-07, 05:12
OTH,

jealous ?

Ya. That's it. Who wouldn't be?

You've got the best house in Pattaya, are filthy rich, devilishly handsome, according to 1Ball :) and apparently, you once dated a Thai Airways Air Hostess.

I am not worthy.

Retired Army
02-10-07, 09:34
What I meant was that a Thai passport with a US military dependent ID and drivers license would not be enough to get back into the US. If she leaves the US with a Thai passport, she will need some kind of a visa to get back. And that is where the bureacracy can get sticky.

Lets hope that she got naturalized somewhere along the way and can legitimately get a US passport. Short of that, I have a bad feeling she is going to have to fill out lots of paperwork with the INS. I have read of other similar type cases where the INS acts like real pricks in these situations. It probably depends on just which office and person you end up dealing with though.

If she has a U.S. Military Dependent's I.D. and a driver's license from a U.S. state that should be enough to get a.S. visa. It shows she has lived in the U.S. and has a valid reason to return and stay.

Retired Army
02-10-07, 09:36
Ya. That's it. Who wouldn't be?

and apparently, you once dated a Thai Airways Air Hostess.



I used to date Thai Airways Filght attendents (female, not male) and I wasn't impressed. They were nice. but not worth the trouble.

The Traveler
02-10-07, 12:25
Ya. That's it. Who wouldn't be?

You've got the best house in Pattaya, are filthy rich, devilishly handsome, according to 1Ball :) and apparently, you once dated a Thai Airways Air Hostess.

I am not worthy.
OTH,

except for having the best house in Pattaya and being filthy rich you - and of course 1ball - are right :D

Old Thai Hand
02-10-07, 14:08
OTH,

except for having the best house in Pattaya and being filthy rich you - and of course 1ball - are right :D

Damn. I thought so. So, still jealous. :)

The Traveler
02-11-07, 18:50
Damn. I thought so. So, still jealous. :)
OTH,

it's quite sad to see that an old man like you, who should be much wiser than that - and who is also a teacher - has such destructive feelings.
Work on your attitude and charakter and maybe - just maybe - you may be able to overcome your jealousy. :D

LuvumBare
02-12-07, 17:42
If she has a U.S. Military Dependent's I.D. and a driver's license from a U.S. state that should be enough to get a.S. visa. It shows she has lived in the U.S. and has a valid reason to return and stay.

This is not going to work because neither the Mil ID or the US DL represent citizenship. Citizenship is shown by her passport and she MUST have a valid visa to enter the US.

However - since she is a Mil dependent and has evidence of US roots (DL) she should not have much trouble with the visa. Also, she is obviously not a 22 year old hottie so she will not be considered a "moral" risk.

Regarding your comment about the need for a US Passport for entry:
State Dept will begin issue of a "Passport Card" this summer. This card is valid for LAND and OCEAN entry ONLY. It will cost about $50.00 and is obtained via the normal Passport application process. It is only good for entry and exit to Canada, Mexico and certain Carrib islands.

It is not a substitute for a passport. It is a lower cost, convenience item for tourists and daily border crossers.
'bare

Terry Terrier
02-15-07, 18:44
Can U explain please?
So now I know: If I ever graduate from those course, ugly Isaan girls, my ultimate in attainment is........an Oriental Widow Twankey lookalike :D.

Old Thai Hand
02-16-07, 01:17
So now I know: If I ever graduate from those course, ugly Isaan girls, my ultimate in attainment is........an Oriental Widow Twankey lookalike :D.

Oh. Now I get it. LOL :)

I'm actually going the other way.

M P Lurker
04-07-07, 07:41
Suzi Wong Bar in Soi Cowboy has a dummy wearing a tea shirt with a little picture motif of gogo girl pole dancer with a sexy figure.
The slogan on the tee-shirt reads something like "Support Thailand's Single Mums".
Really this so appropriate as so many bar girls of all different personalities have a baby already and their husband has either run away or been banished for good reason. If not a baby, others have extensive families to "help" support, or in many cases are the main support for a family of several members.
While we could say it is the girls choice to work in the bar, however their options are not always great.
Country Thai girls are usually poorly educated in matters of sex and birth control.
In fact many had there parents take them out of school at a young age to work, since a girl's place is to be eventually a housewife and high education was considered a waste of money.
Their parents have taught them erroneously that they would have only one boyfriend/husband for there whole life. They quickly became pregnant before understanding that the relationship might not last. Thai men mostly see no necessity for birth control (they are not the ones to get pregnant and they don't have a high level of resonsibility).

As this point, my post takes a sharp turn away from the pole dancers.

So the Thai girl broke up with the husband/boyfriend and went to work in the sewing factory by day and the rubber plantation by night, with barely enough time for sleep. She made 150 Baht per day. Each month she would send 4000 Baht back to her parents who were looking after her daughter.
She endured this so called "life" for 7 years in Surat Thani before returning to Bangkok.

The money she was making was just not sufficient any longer. She applied to become a bar hostess. Fortunately she was nice looking and the bar owners could see she was an honest hard working and reliable girl. They had to take her and wished that all of the their staff were this good.

The customers would like this girl because she was so straight and honest with no play acting. When she likes the customer a lot she is able to give them the total GFE experience. If she doesn't like them, she just will not go with them. She has self respect.

This is no means a typical bar girl by any stretch of the imagination. In fact she has chosen a more classy establishment to work in. She is too prim and proper to be able to work in bar where nearly everything is on show (nudity).

Now she is able to support her family properly and looks forward to her daughter getting the superior education she missed out on. Her life is dedicated to giving her daughter a better chance. The only reason she is still in the bar after several months rather than some customer stealing her away, is that she was badly hurt by her previous relationship and is now very wary of trusting a man too much. 7 years of hardship in the rubber plantation have toughed her heart, but it is still good kind heart, just not so naive as before.

I realise that this girl would make a wonderful wife for someone, but she is too good, in some respects, for my more wicked personality.

Old Thai Hand
04-07-07, 15:31
I realise that this girl would make a wonderful wife for someone, but she is too good, in some respects, for my more wicked personality.


Probably too good for most on this board.

This is a very nice post. I wish there were more like this. A definite RofD.

Giotto
04-07-07, 20:00
...
The customers would like this girl because she was so straight and honest with no play acting. When she likes the customer a lot she is able to give them the total GFE experience. If she doesn't like them, she just will not go with them. She has self respect.
...
Mick Licker,

I know this girl. Great report!

She is worth it! Thanks for your respect for Thai women. You have understood much more about this country than most of the expats and tourists I meet here.


Giotto

NicFrenchy
04-08-07, 06:32
Mick,

Excellent report! WoW!

However, not all Bargirls are single moms, some are immersed into this Bar life by their own Families (so that they can pay for the Daddy's TV, the Brother's motorcycle.), other ladies do it by choice, they simply like good things and this is a way for them to be able to afford these good things.

Not only the Bar or Sex scene, what about the Uni girls, for whom Old Thai men rent appartments so that they can go and fuck them once or twice a week?

Seydlitz
04-08-07, 11:24
Mick Licker,

Nice post about this "special" bar girl.

Nonetheless, I worry about you. Are you not becoming a bit too "soft" for our kind of hobby?

I mean, this great lady could be a waitress, a laborer, an office worker, or hold any other low-pay high-pain position available in LOS. Her merit would not be any lower, and none would mention it here, because we are not affected.

When one is touched by the plight of the bar girl, it might very quickly take away much of the fun out of the hobby. One cannot pity one's provider, because it injects something unwanted in the equation of sex for money.

M P Lurker
04-08-07, 12:33
Mick Licker,

Nice post about this "special" bar girl.

Nonetheless, I worry about you. Are you not becoming a bit too "soft" for our kind of hobby?

I mean, this great lady could be a waitress, a laborer, an office worker, or hold any other low-pay high-pain position available in LOS. Her merit would not be any lower, and none would mention it here, because we are not affected.

When one is touched by the plight of the bar girl, it might very quickly take away much of the fun out of the hobby. One cannot pity one's provider, because it injects something unwanted in the equation of sex for money.
Yes I agree.
She could have been any girl in Thailand in any profession.
Exactly my point.
Bar girl/hostess doesn't indicate a bad girl. She has not yet been badly warped by P4P.
She is just the same as or better than any other Thai girls in various professions. The main point was actually that she is a now single mother struggling to make ends meet.

I am a bit too soft to be able to share the approach of many other mongers just looking for fresh meat.
However if the girl acts like a bad girl, I would be able to treat her calously and with contempt. I will adjust my behaviour greatly depending on the girl.

Out of respect for that girl, I will not describe my sexual exploits with her, but lets just say she was very sweet and gave me total GFE all the way.

Animby
04-09-07, 12:49
Hey MIck,

Good attitude. I love to enjoy these women but I don;t like to treat them as some sort of subhuman creature. When I was a young stud in the army and, alas, married, our neighbor was a lady of the night and my wife and I enjoyed her company and stories - but not her services. Not that I'm a substantially older and no wiser fella, I have a pen pal who is a hooker. Again, I have never enjoyed her services.

I would never bad mouth these ladies which is why, when I do mention my activities (you;d have to see the Egyptian posts) it is with respect. I might mention someone was bad AT an act but not bad BECAUSE of the action.

In the final analysis, these ladies put up with a lot of crap from guys like us and from society/families. Maybe less in LOS but still. So, if you can't love these girls - at least a little bit - then maybe it's time you retired from mongering and take up with my ex wife. She's easy not to love. Even a little.

M P Lurker
04-11-07, 11:46
What primordial instincts drive the Monger to be a serial offender, fucking one girl after another?
Is it the instinct to "impregnate" as many women as possible, for survival of his line?
Is this part of the instinct to avoid condoms?
Is it an endless search for the perfect woman that is never fullfilled?
After being fucked, is she still as good as she was beforehand, or has she been spoiled in some way?
Does the monger always move on so that no attachment is formed with his victims?
Will he always move on immediately or will a super girl cause him to go back for repeats?

Lets suppose, no matter how improbable, the most stunning girl in the world from head to toe, was available to us,
for sex as often as we wanted, free of any costs, and the best sexual performer ever found in all sexual procedures.
Would we want to keep on repeating with this girl?
Would the endless search be over? or would the monger still move on to a girl with sub-standard looks who may or may not be a reasonably good fuck,
paying for the priviledge or otherwise?
Would we be willing to risk losing that superperfect woman just to play up with some inferior girl?
I had such a stunner with ultimate sex once only (wasn't for free but not expensive), and now would probably travel half way round the world to catch her again, if she were available to me.

My ultimate fantasy is to have say 3 girlfriends that bring the best of all worlds together,
a blonde eastern European, an Asian (perhaps Thai), and a perhaps mixed blood latin girl.
Of course the 3 girls would have to love each other and like fucking each other as well,
in order for the partnership to be workable.
Why is there more than one in the fantasy?
I think its based on the assumption that any one girl cannot be the best in all respects
and wanting a some variety of "tastes"

The practical reality is that I hope to have a GF that is far better than I deserve, a superb fuck in all aspects,
and to hang on to her for as long as possible, and able to save me from incurring lots of mongering costs
(in other be a cheaper and better option).
I have found girls in my life that I am not bored with fucking, even after several years and many many repeats in total,
but still look for a variety of options since one girl is not best in every respect and since most do provide
every single day.

So to sum up, what percentage of mongering is about the search for the perfect woman with ultimate sex (which doesn't exist) and being willing to repeat with the fantastic girls and collecting superior compatible girls,
and what percentage is about an endless set of serial trills with a completely new gamble every time and NO chance of forming attachments?

For guys that do not seek repeats with superior girls, why not? Is no girl good enough to be worth repeating? In which case, do we take the attitude that a truelly superior fuck will never be found (why not), and that any fuck will do?

I believe I'm at least 90% orienred to the first category and only a small percentage remains in the later category.
I don't in practice make much time for trips to places like the "Star of Light" for a mindless blow-job or to Eden for a "fuck the brains out" session,
even though these things have some attraction , especially fantasy value.
Didn't even make time for proper Porno Pics during recent time in Thailand, even though one girl put on an incredibily hot masterbation show..

For those who want a more straightforward question, then lets try:
"What percentage of a occasions do you seek the same girl as some previous fuck for a repeat?"
This assumes that known superior fucks must exist.

One last point (well not quite), when a monger finds girls that are nearly perfect and worthy of considerable repeats,
should he try to keep these girls to himself or be prepared to share with other mongers lucky enough to find the same girl?

Obviously we wouldn't wish a psychopath onto our favourite girls, nor a disease ridden scumbag, nor even a stingy basterd perhaps.

How many get the feeling that we would like to save a girl from the P4P world?, i.e. no sharing at all.
Is this a strong motivation?

Short answers will do, but I want to know not just mongers attitudes are, but also why, assuming that most mongers will
have enough self understanding to know something about hte motivating forces within.

Jungle Bluebird
04-12-07, 12:55
ML

Men are merely a victim of circumstance. Nature has designed us to impregnate as many females as possible. For that sex is fun, and, addictive.

This is also the reason that for thousands of year societies have tried to control, ban, or ridicule our urges. And as result we still ask ourselves the same question, 'is mongering the true me'. Or shall I not live a life of bliss with ever the same girl.

Sexual desire is by design utterly selfish, and has only one purpose, ensuring survival of the species. Is it beneficial to anything other than that? No, I think not. And with that I accept that mongering is a perpetual need.


What primordial instincts drive the Monger to be a serial offender, fucking one girl after another?
Is it the instinct to "impregnate" as many women as possible, for survival of his line?
Is this part of the instinct to avoid condoms?
Is it an endless search for the perfect woman that is never fullfilled?
After being fucked, is she still as good as she was beforehand, or has she been spoiled in some way?
Does the monger always move on so that no attachment is formed with his victims?
Will he always move on immediately or will a super girl cause him to go back for repeats?

Lets suppose, no matter how improbable, the most stunning girl in the world from head to toe, was available to us,
for sex as often as we wanted, free of any costs, and the best sexual performer ever found in all sexual procedures.
Would we want to keep on repeating with this girl?
Would the endless search be over? or would the monger still move on to a girl with sub-standard looks who may or may not be a reasonably good fuck,
paying for the priviledge or otherwise?
Would we be willing to risk losing that superperfect woman just to play up with some inferior girl?
I had such a stunner with ultimate sex once only (wasn't for free but not expensive), and now would probably travel half way round the world to catch her again, if she were available to me.

My ultimate fantasy is to have say 3 girlfriends that bring the best of all worlds together,
a blonde eastern European, an Asian (perhaps Thai), and a perhaps mixed blood latin girl.
Of course the 3 girls would have to love each other and like fucking each other as well,
in order for the partnership to be workable.
Why is there more than one in the fantasy?
I think its based on the assumption that any one girl cannot be the best in all respects
and wanting a some variety of "tastes"

The practical reality is that I hope to have a GF that is far better than I deserve, a superb fuck in all aspects,
and to hang on to her for as long as possible, and able to save me from incurring lots of mongering costs
(in other be a cheaper and better option).
I have found girls in my life that I am not bored with fucking, even after several years and many many repeats in total,
but still look for a variety of options since one girl is not best in every respect and since most do provide
every single day.

So to sum up, what percentage of mongering is about the search for the perfect woman with ultimate sex (which doesn't exist) and being willing to repeat with the fantastic girls and collecting superior compatible girls,
and what percentage is about an endless set of serial trills with a completely new gamble every time and NO chance of forming attachments?

For guys that do not seek repeats with superior girls, why not? Is no girl good enough to be worth repeating? In which case, do we take the attitude that a truelly superior fuck will never be found (why not), and that any fuck will do?

I believe I'm at least 90% orienred to the first category and only a small percentage remains in the later category.
I don't in practice make much time for trips to places like the "Star of Light" for a mindless blow-job or to Eden for a "fuck the brains out" session,
even though these things have some attraction , especially fantasy value.
Didn't even make time for proper Porno Pics during recent time in Thailand, even though one girl put on an incredibily hot masterbation show..

For those who want a more straightforward question, then lets try:
"What percentage of a occasions do you seek the same girl as some previous fuck for a repeat?"
This assumes that known superior fucks must exist.

One last point (well not quite), when a monger finds girls that are nearly perfect and worthy of considerable repeats,
should he try to keep these girls to himself or be prepared to share with other mongers lucky enough to find the same girl?

Obviously we wouldn't wish a psychopath onto our favourite girls, nor a disease ridden scumbag, nor even a stingy basterd perhaps.

How many get the feeling that we would like to save a girl from the P4P world?, i.e. no sharing at all.
Is this a strong motivation?

Short answers will do, but I want to know not just mongers attitudes are, but also why, assuming that most mongers will
have enough self understanding to know something about hte motivating forces within.

Daddy07
04-12-07, 15:37
What primordial instincts drive the Monger to be a serial offender, fucking one girl after another? Is it the instinct to "impregnate" as many women as possible, for survival of his line? Is this part of the instinct to avoid condoms? Is it an endless search for the perfect woman that is never fullfilled?
IMHO -- none of the above. It’s much simpler than that. We do it because it feels good and we know that instinctively. Many men, though (my older brother included), have no mongering instincts at all. They marry their high school sweethearts and live with them happily for 45 years, never having fucked, or even kissed, another woman all their lives. He’s just as normal as me IMHO.

After being fucked, is she still as good as she was beforehand, or has she been spoiled in some way? Does the monger always move on so that no attachment is formed with his victims? Will he always move on immediately or will a super girl cause him to go back for repeats?
She is just as good after the fucking, but once you have had her she might not be quite as desirable as she seemed beforehand. Some mongers form attachments – some don’t, but in any case, the girls are not ‘victims’ unless the monger victimizes them as some men are wont to do. A super girl will always cause me to go back for repeats, because, just like one of Pavlov’s dogs, I’ve been conditioned to salivate over super girls.

Lets suppose, no matter how improbable, the most stunning girl in the world from head to toe, was available to us, for sex as often as we wanted, free of any costs, and the best sexual performer ever found in all sexual procedures. Would we want to keep on repeating with this girl?
Oh, absolutely! I would want to marry this girl.

Would the endless search be over? or would the monger still move on to a girl with sub-standard looks who may or may not be a reasonably good fuck, paying for the priviledge or otherwise? Would we be willing to risk losing that superperfect woman just to play up with some inferior girl?
Yes, the search would be over for me, but not my innate attraction to other women. I certainly would not risk losing super girl for the affections of a skank.

I had such a stunner with ultimate sex once only (wasn't for free but not expensive), and now would probably travel half way round the world to catch her again, if she were available to me.
We all make mistakes, Mick. :)

My ultimate fantasy is to have say 3 girlfriends that bring the best of all worlds together, a blonde eastern European, an Asian (perhaps Thai), and a perhaps mixed blood latin girl. Of course the 3 girls would have to love each other and like fucking each other as well, in order for the partnership to be workable.
Why is there more than one in the fantasy?
Because when it comes to beautiful women, more is better. Interesting fantasy, BTW.

I think its based on the assumption that any one girl cannot be the best in all respects and wanting a some variety of "tastes"
Nah. It’s simply because three women can stimulate your sexual desires at least three times better than one.

The practical reality is that I hope to have a GF that is far better than I deserve, a superb fuck in all aspects, and to hang on to her for as long as possible, and able to save me from incurring lots of mongering costs (in other be a cheaper and better option). I have found girls in my life that I am not bored with fucking, even after several years and many many repeats in total, but still look for a variety of options since one girl is not best in every respect and since most do provide every single day.
Your hope is possible, but all women come with baggage. Why not stick with the one you really like and continue to discreetly monger on the side? Isn’t that exactly what you are doing now?

So to sum up, what percentage of mongering is about the search for the perfect woman with ultimate sex (which doesn't exist) and being willing to repeat with the fantastic girls and collecting superior compatible girls, and what percentage is about an endless set of serial trills with a completely new gamble every time and NO chance of forming attachments?
I think that we all have different tastes and different reasons for mongering. For my part, I want to collect a list of beautiful girls who are fun to be with and love sex, and once I find a good one, I want to keep her as long as possible.

For guys that do not seek repeats with superior girls, why not? Is no girl good enough to be worth repeating? In which case, do we take the attitude that a truelly superior fuck will never be found (why not), and that any fuck will do?
This is the type of guy who hates, or at least does not appreciate women. That Asshole comes to mind.

I believe I'm at least 90% orienred to the first category and only a small percentage remains in the later category. I don't in practice make much time for trips to places like the "Star of Light" for a mindless blow-job or to Eden for a "fuck the brains out" session, even though these things have some attraction , especially fantasy value. Didn't even make time for proper Porno Pics during recent time in Thailand, even though one girl put on an incredibily hot masterbation show.
You seem like a normal guy to me, Mick.

For those who want a more straightforward question, then lets try: "What percentage of a occasions do you seek the same girl as some previous fuck for a repeat?" This assumes that known superior fucks must exist.
It’s like your favorite dish. It it’s good, you keep going back. You also enjoy lots of other dishes.

One last point (well not quite), when a monger finds girls that are nearly perfect and worthy of considerable repeats, should he try to keep these girls to himself or be prepared to share with other mongers lucky enough to find the same girl? Obviously we wouldn't wish a psychopath onto our favourite girls, nor a disease ridden scumbag, nor even a stingy basterd perhaps.
I’m one of those selfish types who want to keep the good ones to myself, but if she’s a p4p girl, I won’t get upset if she fucks other guys who find her on their own.

How many get the feeling that we would like to save a girl from the P4P world?, i.e. no sharing at all.
Is this a strong motivation?
What do you mean, “save her”? Most of the girls I’ve met would much rather be fucking for money than working in a factory some where. They’re performing a valuable service. Enjoy them and let them go. They don’t need to be saved. Trying to save them is a fools game.

Regards,
Daddy

Old Thai Hand
04-13-07, 04:30
Such introspection on a site dedicated to such light-weight pursuits.

It's all in the hypothalamus, gentleman. That's why we hunter-gatherers hunt and gather.

M P Lurker
04-13-07, 09:23
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What do you mean, “save her”? Most of the girls I’ve met would much rather be fucking for money than working in a factory some where. They’re performing a valuable service. Enjoy them and let them go. They don’t need to be saved. Trying to save them is a fools game.

Regards,
Daddy
By "save her" I simply mean that some guys wish to take her away from the possibility of being someone else's "victim". Girls do it for the money but don't enjoy every fuck and actually despise some of their customers.
In another sense "save" means that the guy is willing to support her sufficiently that she doesn't need to do P4P anymore (at least most of the time). I merely ask the question, but recognise that some P4P girls are nice enough to make a great potential wife.
Lets face it. What percentage of Thai girls married to Farangs were never in P4P? Not that high a percentage I would think maybe only 20-30%. I know some examples of girls with Farangs definitely never in P4P but a lot of others fall into the suspicious category.

Daddy,
What about an estimate of percentage of repeats compared to totally new girls, or is this too embarrassing for many.
I would say that recently I have seen only 5 new girls (3 from MPs and 2 bar hostesses) and all the rest were repeats (about 25 repeat occasions).
Of the 5 new girls, 1 had many repeats, 1 had just 1 repeat, and 3 no repeats (which means they were O.K. but not sufficiently superior).
Most repeats were with girls that I have known for considerable time.
So I am >80% repeat oriented possibly peaking at about 90% at times (especially when under extended supervision).

For other guys who don't repeat much, I would be curious to know the various reasons why not.

Old Thai Hand
04-13-07, 10:46
Lets face it. What percentage of Thai girls married to Farangs were never in P4P? Not that high a percentage I would think maybe only 20-30%. I know some examples of girls with Farangs definitely never in P4P but a lot of others fall into the suspicious category.

20-30% is probably on the high side, although personally, I only know one Farang who has an ex-P4P as a GF. The rest of my friends have GFs/wives who have never been anywhere near the business. But, I would bet that most Farang living in Pattaya (not to mention Isaan) involved in relationships with Thai women, drew on P4P as the source of those relationships.

An acquaintance of mine living in Europe with his (very definitely non-P4P) Thai wife laments that she can't find any decent Thai friends, not because there aren't hordes of Thai women where they are, but because all of them are ex-BGs from Pattaya married to Farang; not exactly appropriate for a university-educated TG from a good family - among other things, she simply wouldn't have anything in common with these girls.

Despite endless warnings from a variety of knowledgeable sources, most Farang guys continue to go down the slippery slope of relationships with P4P girls.

NicFrenchy
04-13-07, 12:51
20-30% is probably on the high side, although personally, I only know one Farang who has an ex-P4P as a GF. Apparently, this number is on the low side, or will be soon.

According to a report made by MangoSquash Dave, most teenagers in the northern part of Thailand dream of only one thing: Wedding a Farang (or an ATM, take your pick).

Daddy07
04-13-07, 19:48
By "save her" I simply mean that some guys wish to take her away from the possibility of being someone else's "victim".
This still sounds suspiciously like what the Christian bible thumpers always love to say. “You need to be saved!” And I always ask them: “From what?” I don’t believe that fucking for money is anything to be ashamed of, nor is paying for the privilege of fucking, which is what we mongers do. I’m just happy that there are lots of pretty young girls willing to share their beautiful bodies with old guys like me for a few dollars. It doesn’t diminish my respect for them at all. I don’t see them as “victims,” any more than other women in different occupations who might me sexually harassed or victimized by a criminal.

Daddy,
What about an estimate of percentage of repeats compared to totally new girls, or is this too embarrassing for many.
During my last trip to LOS I probably repeated about 75% of the times. The last little honey took care of me every afternoon for 13 days straight, leaving me without power to fuck anyone else while she was not around. She was cute and sweet and loveable, and for only 1100b per day, I simply couldn’t resist her charms.

I would say that recently I have seen only 5 new girls (3 from MPs and 2 bar hostesses) and all the rest were repeats (about 25 repeat occasions).
Of the 5 new girls, 1 had many repeats, 1 had just 1 repeat, and 3 no repeats (which means they were O.K. but not sufficiently superior).
Most repeats were with girls that I have known for considerable time.
So I am >80% repeat oriented possibly peaking at about 90% at times (especially when under extended supervision).
Sounds to me like you do a whole lot of fuckin, Mick. Thirty girls within the recent past is a lot of pussy indeed – especially while under extended supervision. I am awed. No way could I keep up with the likes of you.

For other guys who don't repeat much, I would be curious to know the various reasons why not.
They probably can’t find a chick who can stand them for more than once.

Regards,
Daddy

Old Thai Hand
04-14-07, 02:07
According to a report made by MangoSquash Dave, most teenagers in the northern part of Thailand dream of only one thing: Wedding a Farang (or an ATM, take your pick).

I think you mean Northeast (i.e. Isaan). I doubt Northern (i.e. Lanna) teenagers generally dream of marrying a Farang.

The ATM assessment is probably true, though as they've seen the financial gain to their older P4P sisters when they've snagged a Farang.

If you go on the Thai Internet dating sites, I would say that 90% of the girls on their are from Isaan.

It makes sense, of course.

1/ It's the poorest part of the country with lowest per capita education levels.
2/ Isaan men are by far the most useless men among a general population of useless men. Thai men are crap. But, Isaan men aren't even good enough to be called crap.

NicFrenchy
04-14-07, 03:33
Isaan men are by far the most useless men among a general population of useless men. Thai men are crap. But, Isaan men aren't even good enough to be called crap.I will take your word for it. You have much more experience than I do when it comes to Thailand, its culture and its people.

NicFrenchy
04-14-07, 19:09
Never thought I'd be asking these type of questions here but I am in a little weird situation.

I am seeking advice from OTH and other Members who are non-P4P experts.

(I know P4P more than enough already).

For the last month, I have been seeing this sales girl from the Paragon Department store. She works at the Males clothes section and god knows how we came to talk and exchange numbers.

One thing about me is that no matter how many numbers I get, I usually never call; I am very comfortable with P4P and do not seek a relationship (already had 2 and the girls were a total disaster).

Well, I broke my habit and called her, we went to eat a few times, dance, movies and she's quite pleasant company as her english is very good. I have no intention of having a serious relationship with her, she knows I must have other girlfriends even though I tell her I have none.

She never asked me about P4P so I never said a word about it.

The last 3 times we saw each other, we had sex.

My question is about the third and last encounter :

we went back to my place and had a drink, watched a movie then started to play with each other. As I was getting ready to open the condom, she asked me not to use one. She said she does not like the feel of the condom.

I told her that I have to wear it and put it on anyways.

After sex, she told me that next time she does not want to have sex with condom.

How do I bring up the subject of STD's? she's had Thai boyfriends before and looks clueless about STD's... I could ask her to take a test but even then I am not very keen on havin unprotected sex with her.

She could have still a Thai Boyfriend, she could try and have me get her pregnant?
A lot of thoughts are racing through my head... Damn, P4P is so easy LOL you don't have such problems.

Thanks in advance for your help

Animby
04-14-07, 20:21
Never thought I'd be asking these type of questions here but I am in a little weird situation.The answer is simple: no condom, no sex. Even if you have her checked out. That only means the STD are not found. You'd need another test in six months (and knowing she is monogamous with you the whole time) to rule out HIV.

If you even CONSIDER she might be trying to get pregnant, then you have some real issues. You lie to her about having other girlfriends, you think she might be lying to you about having a Thai BF.

If she really likes you, she will put up with the condom unitl you two can decide if you intend to limit your activities to each other. If she still refuses, I'd be worried about ulterior motives.

Just my opinion and worth what you're paying for it.

Giotto
04-15-07, 02:12
...
My question is about the third and last encounter :

we went back to my place and had a drink, watched a movie then started to play with each other. As I was getting ready to open the condom, she asked me not to use one. She said she does not like the feel of the condom.
...
NicFrenchy,

Firstly: Most Thai women will consider you to be their boyfriend in the moment when you don't use condoms any more.

Secondly: Why don't talk to her about the problem of STD's? She is old enough to have sex, she should be old enough to talk.

Last but not least: She can get pregnant if you don't use condoms. You are completely right with your understanding of nature/biology :) ...

That brings us back to the Isaan women looking for ATM machines.


Giotto

BuleDaddy
04-15-07, 06:51
That is the latest craze. The Thai girl MUST own property. You can't just pay her rent. Her speil is she must "Save Face". Any chump that falls for that must realize that while she might have saved face that the chump just LOST face with friends and family. They find a phrase that works over there, like "up2you" and they go with it if it works. Once that love nest is purchased, she then owns a piece of the guy. It makes it much harder for him to walk. Next comes req's for seed money for helping family members get a business going, or purchasing "investment properties". Maybe a university degree. I know a guy that has been sending money for 3 years for some pooying's uni degree but when I saw her in Pattaya (still working) she tells me no "sak-oon" this semester. She can't even pronounce the word school. That money bought her boyfriend a barber shop (her friends told me). I saw ads in Pattaya for doing wills and one on TV that said "If you love her, take her back". They are not happy until they have cleaned you out of everything. Always better to rent than buy anything in Asia.

Finrod
04-15-07, 08:17
Nic, I would just leave her behind: you're not in the ATM business last I heard.

M P Lurker
04-15-07, 14:02
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Sounds to me like you do a whole lot of fuckin, Mick. Thirty girls within the recent past is a lot of pussy indeed – especially while under extended supervision. I am awed. No way could I keep up with the likes of you.
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Sorry it wasn't clear. The 25 repeat sessions did not mean 25 different girls.
I was counting sessions not girls.
Actually its only a small number of girls with many repeats for only 2 of them.

Actually when I reread what I wrote ("repeat occasions"), it was clear enough. I guess you are just pulling my leg.

Smart girl, that tied you up for 13 days.

M P Lurker
04-15-07, 14:16
I think you mean Northeast (i.e. Isaan). I doubt Northern (i.e. Lanna) teenagers generally dream of marrying a Farang.

The ATM assessment is probably true, though as they've seen the financial gain to their older P4P sisters when they've snagged a Farang.

If you go on the Thai Internet dating sites, I would say that 90% of the girls on their are from Isaan.

It makes sense, of course.

1/ It's the poorest part of the country with lowest per capita education levels.
2/ Isaan men are by far the most useless men among a general population of useless men. Thai men are crap. But, Isaan men aren't even good enough to be called crap.

If Isaan men are crap, then it makes sense that an Isaan girl is looking for Farang who will take some level of responsibility for their children together, rather than just dumping mum and the kids, never to be seen again.

Girls see their sisters marries to Thai men who have girlfriends on the side that cannot be spoken about to the sister. Its true that Farangs play up as well, but are considered less likely to dump their wife and children just to run off with a new bimbo.

Farangs are definitely seen as more responsible (on average), not to mention being better providers. Sometimes the Thai man has a job and gets money, but the wife and kids never see any of it at all. Its all devoted to booze, women, gambling etc.

Please forgive apparent generalisations. There are a significant proportion of Thai men who really love their wifes and kids and may be far more devoted than many Farangs.

M P Lurker
04-15-07, 14:33
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An acquaintance of mine living in Europe with his (very definitely non-P4P) Thai wife laments that she can't find any decent Thai friends, not because there aren't hordes of Thai women where they are, but because all of them are ex-BGs from Pattaya married to Farang; not exactly appropriate for a university-educated TG from a good family - among other things, she simply wouldn't have anything in common with these girls.
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There is a Thai girl here in my home Country that was a potential GF once. She is not in P4P and never has been, but a poor education due to father old fashioned. She likewise finds it difficult to find many close Thai friends here. One problem is she could not stand the gossipy and flamboyant style of many ex-P4P girls married to Farangs, and in the case of the Thai students here, too many of them are spoiled by rich parents and never feel "Greng Jai".
As for Farang guys, too many want to get into her pants.
So its problems all round for a non-sexually oriented Thai girl .

Jungle Bluebird
04-16-07, 03:00
Nic Frenchy

Sorry to break this to you. Many shop assistants are part timers. After all with a salary of THB 8,000 how can they afford Bangkok.

Open your eyes! Watch how many shopping assistants standing about in any shopping mall, without having any product knowledge. In some department stores prostitution is even organized - i.e. one pays the manager a handling fee.

Also, a shop assistant? You seem to be a smart boy, aim higher. Loads of educated, independent Thai women about.

Sorry to be so straight here. But hey, maybe its true love:-)



Never thought I'd be asking these type of questions here but I am in a little weird situation.

I am seeking advice from OTH and other Members who are non-P4P experts.

(I know P4P more than enough already).

For the last month, I have been seeing this sales girl from the Paragon Department store. She works at the Males clothes section and god knows how we came to talk and exchange numbers.

One thing about me is that no matter how many numbers I get, I usually never call; I am very comfortable with P4P and do not seek a relationship (already had 2 and the girls were a total disaster).

Well, I broke my habit and called her, we went to eat a few times, dance, movies and she's quite pleasant company as her english is very good. I have no intention of having a serious relationship with her, she knows I must have other girlfriends even though I tell her I have none.

She never asked me about P4P so I never said a word about it.

The last 3 times we saw each other, we had sex.

My question is about the third and last encounter :

we went back to my place and had a drink, watched a movie then started to play with each other. As I was getting ready to open the condom, she asked me not to use one. She said she does not like the feel of the condom.

I told her that I have to wear it and put it on anyways.

After sex, she told me that next time she does not want to have sex with condom.

How do I bring up the subject of STD's? she's had Thai boyfriends before and looks clueless about STD's... I could ask her to take a test but even then I am not very keen on havin unprotected sex with her.

She could have still a Thai Boyfriend, she could try and have me get her pregnant?
A lot of thoughts are racing through my head... Damn, P4P is so easy LOL you don't have such problems.

Thanks in advance for your help

NicFrenchy
04-16-07, 04:46
Also, a shop assistant? You seem to be a smart boy, aim higher. Loads of educated, independent Thai women about.I'm not Thai, I don't really put people into "Classes". She is good looking and has an amazing body, she could be sweeping the street for all I care. I am not interested in what her Profession is, but rather who is the woman underneath the costume ;)
Also, her English is very good and her skin white (although I prefer them a little tanned).


Sorry to be so straight here. But hey, maybe its true love:-)No chance. I don't do relationships anymore. I will make that very clear to her, it's GIK or nothing. I like my freedom too much and do not want to get involved in a Drama Boyfriend/Girlfriend story.

Old Thai Hand
04-16-07, 10:16
Nic
I just got back from holiday and saw this discussion. I tend to agree with Jungle B on this one and will add that I doubt if she even makes 8,000/mo (more like 4,000-6,000), unless she's got a degree. Then I doubt she'd be working as a shopgirl.

I'm sure she's a nice person, and despite being the resident snob and classist, I certainly wouldn't be adverse to dating a shopgirl if she was hot. But, being a shopgirl, she's probably high risk.

I'm going to make a generalization here (and probably will get slammed for it). But, here goes: pretty well all Thai women lie. It's been discussed here in the past - how inherent it is in the culture. So, you can't really know about her past, her life when she's not with you and how 'innocent' she truly is.

Giotto's comment about TGs considering you BF material or whatever, if you don't use a condom is generally true of ignorant country girls, but less so among more educated Thai women. Although, having said that I know of a very HiSo student at Bangkok U. who gave a fellow teacher the clap. So, you never know.

The point is that if she's wants unprotected sex, you have to ask her why and then insist on a test and then insist on a condom, anyway. There's a lot of stupidity about sex among the general population and the irresposibility of Thai men just adds to the risk factor in a big way.

Also, where is she from? This should also be taken into consideration.

Seydlitz
04-16-07, 11:02
Open your eyes! Watch how many shopping assistants standing about in any shopping mall, without having any product knowledge. In some department stores prostitution is even organized - i.e. one pays the manager a handling fee.

Is that a fact ? First time I hear that being mentioned.

Some shop assistants at Siam Paragon or Emporium are truly hot. What department stores would have a prostitution department? I'd be willing to shop there if available.. Any indication of the going rates?

Thor93
04-16-07, 12:11
Nic Frenchy

Sorry to break this to you. Many shop assistants are part timers. After all with a salary of THB 8,000 how can they afford Bangkok.

Open your eyes! Watch how many shopping assistants standing about in any shopping mall, without having any product knowledge. In some department stores prostitution is even organized - i.e. one pays the manager a handling fee.

Also, a shop assistant? You seem to be a smart boy, aim higher. Loads of educated, independent Thai women about.

Sorry to be so straight here. But hey, maybe its true love:-)

Throughout Asia the norm is to load department stores up with legions of uninformed shopping assistants. Thinking they might be organized for prostitution is really stretching it, especially in a high class place like Paragon.

What is true is how little some of these girls make. I know what my TGF made at her previous job and somehow she got by. Of course many of these girls will do what my TGF did and jump at the opportunity to let a "rich" farang take care of them. In their mind it is not P4P, but rather a relationship.
Of course there are many guys who aren't honest in their intentions and lead the girl to the life of P4P. Once they get spoiled , it is hard to go back.

I think for many girls going without the condom marks the start of the relationship for them. If you are in a committed relationship, they figure why would you need a condom. Surely you aren't going to butterfly anymore, right?

It makes for a tricky situation to be sure. If you insist on the condom, that is telling her you are probably still playing around or you don't trust her. If you go without, you expose yourself to all sorts of things. With a good girl the biggest risk is she lets herself get pregnant and then she has really snagged you. Remember that many thai women want a half farang baby. Light skin is always better in their mind and we can supply the genes to make that happen for their baby.

Jungle Bluebird
04-16-07, 12:42
OTH

In a country where 'to get by' is hard enough, loads of dark past patches pile up. And yes, to lie is the norm. Not so much in an intentional pro-active lie, but rather, twisting past events a little.

But hey, we all do that. It just fits better, adjusted:-)

One note with regard to hooking in shopping malls. Ok, with the Paragon maybe I am reaching. But with smaller shopping malls, it's a fact. One can distinguish the working bees from the pro's. Just more make up, shorter skits and, sorry NIC, better English.


I'm going to make a generalization here (and probably will get slammed for it). But, here goes: pretty well all Thai women lie. It's been discussed here in the past - how inherent it is in the culture. So, you can't really know about her past, her life when she's not with you and how 'innocent' she truly is.

Old Thai Hand
04-16-07, 13:23
With a good girl the biggest risk is she lets herself get pregnant and then she has really snagged you. Remember that many thai women want a half farang baby. Light skin is always better in their mind and we can supply the genes to make that happen for their baby.

What does "good girl" really mean? I've certainly used that term enough in the past and waffled on about it sometimes too much, when comparing P4P with non-P4P girls. But, it's a pretty relative and subjective term, particularly in Thailand where there is so much face saving and pretense that drifts into very gray areas. I've met so-called "good girls" who drink like fish and have fucked a dozen guys, but still use this term and pretend to practically be virgins. I'm always suspicious whenever one of my students goes out of her way to tell me, "I don't do that, I'm a good girl". Sure as hell, if you head out to RCA, Bed SupperClub or Zantika she'll be there off her face, swopping spit with some guy.

A TG may think when she snags a guy, going without a condom is a sign he won't butterfly. I actually don't think many non-P4P girls think about this one way or another. The only girls who think about it would more likely be ex-P4P who are more worldly and know what slime-balls we truly are.

The 'butterfly' thing actually works the other way, as well. But, we are always on the defensive and therefore don't usually think about the possibility.

Most on here know the kind of girls I generally associate with. But, I've had more than a few "good girls" cheat on me including one long-standing GF (2 years at the time) who got pregnant, not by me, but by a Thai guy. I stayed with her, btw, paid for the abortion she wanted, and was with her another 2 years before we split up.

I read TG's profiles on Internet dating sites which almost all say something like, "If you butterfy and just want to play games, don't contact me." I can tell you from extensive experience that these girls, in the meantime are chatting with a dozen guys and are often meeting and fucking them.

BTW, just because a TG is a shop girl at Paragon doesn't necessarily make her somehow better than the girls working at Robinson's at soi 19, Central Ladprao or the Mall Bangkae. She's probably making the same salary and is probably of the same "class" (sorry. but that's the only way to put it), or she wouldn't be a shopgirl, in the first place. If she's working for a shop that has branches, it's almost guaranteed that she'll move around from branch to branch.

However, I very much doubt there's some organized prostitution ring in any of these places. It's just that often these girls are more receptive to a Farang (particularly a well-dressed resident) than, say some secretary riding home on the BTS, who would probably look at you with a nervous smile, (while feeling inner horror) if you tried to talk to her.

Yin Yang
04-16-07, 15:28
Having being impressed initially by a Thai GF's not entirely unfounded suspicions that I might 'butterfly', I quickly came to realize what OTH pointed out: Those suspicions aren't only based on experience and hearsay about Farang (and indeed, Thai) men, but also on the girls' own behaviour. I even remember that one day within a couple of hours, my friend (a) accused me of not being serious about our relationship (and butterflying instead), (b) had sex with me, (c) while, inbetween, checking her phone for messages from her various other (boy-)friends - who, of course, also suspected that she's with someone else.

Considering the considerable sophistication with which at least some TGs handle multiple relationships (online and offline), it seems all too logical that they would expect us to do the same. However, many girls don't intend to keep their 'boyfriend portfolio' forever, and then pregnancy is still regarded as a way to secure commitment if Mr Kind-of-Right comes along.

YY

Thor93
04-16-07, 15:41
What does "good girl" really mean?

If you could answer that question, you will be way ahead of the game. Having known many "good" and many "bad" girls, the difference is often only in the willingness of the girl to come right out and ask for the money up front.

Personally I love them all, good and bad. For many of them, it is a tough life by our standards, financially at least.

As I think about it, it really boils down to the fact that a "bad" girl accepts her money and goes away. A "good" girl is hoping you won't send her away, they want a relationship.

And there are many of us like me that fall into that trap, pleasant as it often is. But once in the clutches of a "good" girl it is hard indeed to escape. But then very often we really don't want to escape do we?

The ultimate fantasy of the long time mongerer in Thailand is to find that perfect "good" girlfriend who is understanding enough to let you go out and have your side diversions as long as you keep coming back to her.

Jungle Bluebird
04-17-07, 05:51
'Good girls' are those who don't do P4P. One thing all Thai girls have in common is waiting for the magic prince who releases them from all earthly hardship (this includes financial issues as well). For once Thai soap operas are full of this theme - i.e. a 'good guy' - and of course...mummy told them so, in the hope that daughter does not fall for the same type mongering husband (i.e. butterfly). This qualifies them as 'good girls'.

But there actually a surprising high number of girls who, despite looking quite sexy, are still virgins and who just don't fuck around. It's their upbringing. For Chinese girls - for example - virginity is an important issue.

Coming back to Frenchy, why a girl would want to fuck without a condom is really a miracle for me. It ain't make sense. Maybe something else at stake here.

Old Thai Hand
04-17-07, 07:29
But there actually a surprising high number of girls who, despite looking quite sexy, are still virgins and who just don't fuck around. It's their upbringing. For Chinese girls - for example - virginity is an important issue.

I would dispute this quite strongly. It might have been much more part of the illusion even 5 years ago that girls would have had to put on an act of innocence. Virginity was still highly prized. But, today I'd say virgins in Thailand are quite rare. There are maybe more of them per capita than in a western country. But, there are far fewer than you seem to believe. For example, the big game among some high school girls, particularly those at the better schools (therefore, Thai-Chinese) is how many one-night stands they can have. It's a competition. Of course, Valentine's Day is viewed by Thai teenagers as the traditional day to lose their virginity.

My colleagues and I speculate on our university students and figure that maybe 10% or less might still be virgins. Many students speak quite openly about it, now. A colleague who teaches at Chula, probably a bastion of HiSo Thai-Chinese virginity, if there ever was one says that his students discuss sex quite openly in class, do projects on it and many readily admit to indulging in it...and that's when they're speaking English. Gawd. You should hear what they say to each other in Thai because most think the Farang teachers don't understand. You should read what's discussed on Thai web-boards predominately among teenagers, not to mention see pics of girls in fairly revealing poses, faces in full view.

The big controversy on university campuses is whether to install condom machines in the toilets because the administrations doesn't want to appear to be condoning something that is still considered taboo in the culture. But, they readily admit that pre-marital sex is a huge fact of life, now.

As a last example, two different groups of my students did projects last Spring on condom use, actually brought dildos in to demonstrate the proper way to put them on and handed out free condoms to students in class, finishing their presentations with the words, "Practice safe sex".

The bottom line is, the "good girls" will continue to pretend they are virgins because it's still the illusion in the culture. But, the truth is that most aren't.

If Thai-Chinese girls valued virginity so highly, I would have had an extremely difficult time finding anyone to shag in the last 10 years, given that they're my style. But, I've shagged loads and never had much trouble convincing any of them. BTW, none were still virgins when I met them.

Ironically, if there are any girls who still cling to the old way of thinking you would probably find them in Isaan, where if a girl has sex and her parents find out about it, a quickie marriage will be in the offing.

Jungle Bluebird
04-17-07, 08:00
OTH

You should know better then me, being close to the source. My god, this thought of sweet little white skinned, small breasted university girls having discussions on virginity is now (at least for today) implemented in my primate mind :-)

You must be tempted....



I would dispute this quite strongly. It might have been much more part of the illusion even 5 years ago that girls would have had to put on an act of innocence. Virginity was still highly prized. But, today I'd say virgins in Thailand are quite rare. There are maybe more of them per capita than in a western country. But, there are far fewer than you seem to believe. For example, the big game among some high school girls, particularly those at the better schools (therefore, Thai-Chinese) is how many one-night stands they can have. It's a competition. Of course, Valentine's Day is viewed by Thai teenagers as the traditional day to lose their virginity.

My colleagues and I speculate on our university students and figure that maybe 10% or less might still be virgins. Many students speak quite openly about it, now. A colleague who teaches at Chula, probably a bastion of HiSo Thai-Chinese virginity, if there ever was one says that his students discuss sex quite openly in class, do projects on it and many readily admit to indulging in it...and that's when they're speaking English. Gawd. You should hear what they say to each other in Thai because most think the Farang teachers don't understand. You should read what's discussed on Thai web-boards predominately among teenagers, not to mention see pics of girls in fairly revealing poses, faces in full view.

The big controversy on university campuses is whether to install condom machines in the toilets because the administrations doesn't want to appear to be condoning something that is still considered taboo in the culture. But, they readily admit that pre-marital sex is a huge fact of life, now.

As a last example, two different groups of my students did projects last Spring on condom use, actually brought dildos in to demonstrate the proper way to put them on and handed out free condoms to students in class, finishing their presentations with the words, "Practice safe sex".

The bottom line is, the "good girls" will continue to pretend they are virgins because it's still the illusion in the culture. But, the truth is that most aren't.

If Thai-Chinese girls valued virginity so highly, I would have had an extremely difficult time finding anyone to shag in the last 10 years, given that they're my style. But, I've shagged loads and never had much trouble convincing any of them. BTW, none were still virgins when I met them.

Ironically, if there are any girls who still cling to the old way of thinking you would probably find them in Isaan, where if a girl has sex and her parents find out about it, a quickie marriage will be in the offing.

Old Thai Hand
04-17-07, 08:29
OTH

You should know better then me, being close to the source. My god, this thought of sweet little white skinned, small breasted university girls having discussions on virginity is now (at least for today) implemented in my primate mind :-)

You must be tempted....

All the time.

For one thing, they come on to you a lot. But, I never shag current students. There's no official rule about it, as long as the student doesn't lodge a complaint. But, it's not ethical, IMHO because of the conflict of interest. A good many teachers aren't so concerned, though. That doesn't mean I haven't shagged them after they were no longer my students because at that point, I was free and clear.

There's one former student (19 y.o. at the time) who I'm sure was actually one of those rare virgins when she studied with me last year. But, she still used to shamelessly flirt with me (and still does, which is the point I'm coming to). After the semester finished, she was chatting with me one day and I said I was going to have Japanese food for lunch. She coyly said, "I'd like to go with you". I said sure. But, she backed off saying her mother would never allow her to go out alone with a man. I mention this because I am now sure that at 20 y.o. she's already lost the big 'V' because her whole demeanor has changed. She has several web-sites, like Hi5 etc. with very sexy pics ( at least showing some cleavage) and she's become much more confident and forward with me. She's asked me if I want to go out with her sometime and has even said she'd like to come over to my place. Sadly, I can't take her up on this because of the GF.

Even after all this time, though I'm still surprised and obviously titillated by a seemingly innocent uni girl doing or saying something provocative. The previously mentioned condom presentation was made all the more interesting by the fact that the student chosen to demonstrate how to put the condom on the dildo was a very cute, but somewhat geeky girl, about 5 feet, nothing tall wearing horn-rimmed glasses, who looked like she'd never had a wicked thought in her life, but put that condom on like a seasoned veteran. I have to say that my jaw dropped when she rolled that sucker over the dildo and then held the dildo out in front so everyone could see, as if she was showing someone a picture of her puppy, all the while with this cute, little innocent smile on her face.

It's moments like those that I really love my job.

I've attached a pic of a "good girl" for you. You know the old saying: "When she was good, she was very good. But when she was bad, she was terrific!"

Opebo
04-17-07, 11:36
The 'good girl' type you describe of course still exists in Thailand, though less prevalent than in the past. They're probably more common among upper-middle class provincials than the main elite in Bangkok.

Anyway this 'good girl' type is unattractive to me - I find prostitutes much sexier. I never could understand the attraction so many men have for that which is difficult - perhaps it is a cultural indoctrination.

Old Thai Hand
04-17-07, 13:13
Anyway this 'good girl' type is unattractive to me - I find prostitutes much sexier. I never could understand the attraction so many men have for that which is difficult.

I think you long ago established that.


perhaps it is a cultural indoctrination.

It's not cultural indoctrination, but the primeval, hunter/gatherer instinct. It's also the challenge to acquire something not easily attainable - "something easy to acquire is not worth having". It's girls who are better looking than your average ho. It's diamonds versus zircons.

On a simpler level, shagging some girl who's shagged a ton of other guys has zero appeal. I never get the exchanging of info on here, (recently about Rin at Hana Massage, for example) where some guys rush off to fuck some ho recommended by the dozen of others who have already done her. Talk about sloppy seconds!!!

If that's all you can get, then fine. But, if you have a choice and a chance at something more unique and special, why settle for less?

Bumholes1
04-17-07, 13:56
It's also the challenge to acquire something not easily attainable - But, if you have a choice and a chance at something more unique and special, why settle for less?

Couldn't agree more.

A challenge with a reasonable prospect of a result, is always the best way to go. My wife presented me with an almost insurmountable problem. She had effectively been sold by her Mother in an arranged marriage, and from the day I first met her I had less than 1 month to persuade her to go against her Mother's wishes. What a challenge. An uphill battle. Not only was I more than twice her age, but had a young daughter living with me who was very anti. We spent nearly every day together, but I was not allowed to touch her - only eventually afer 3 weeks being permitted to hold her hand walking along the beach at night.

On the day that she had to depart for her village 1 month later, she told me that there would be no marriage and that she would return in 3 days.

That was 8 years ago, and we are still going strong.

Who needs sloppy seconds?

1Ball
04-17-07, 15:25
nice story Bumholes.
It sounds like you scored a winner, congratulations.

NicFrenchy
04-17-07, 15:53
Thank you all for your advice.

I am seeing her Tomorrow evening and will report on what happened.

Opebo
04-17-07, 16:48
Sloppy seconds are not 'less', they are better, fellows. She is more skilled. Thats like saying I want the person who cooks my meal in the restaurant to have never cooked before. How disgusting if she has cooked meals for hundreds of men before me!

I hope you all realize that your attitudes are just puritan indoctrination. Give me an experienced provider, thanks - better any day than your difficult so-called non-prostitutes.

MasterBlaster
04-17-07, 17:34
Sloppy seconds are not 'less', they are better, fellows. She is more skilled. Thats like saying I want the person who cooks my meal in the restaurant to have never cooked before. How disgusting if she has cooked meals for hundreds of men before me!

I hope you all realize that your attitudes are just puritan indoctrination. Give me an experienced provider, thanks - better any day than your difficult so-called non-prostitutes.

A 100 year old experienced ho may be your perfect match. Nothing puritanical about this suggestion.

Remember there is always a yin and a yang.

Jungle Bluebird
04-18-07, 04:14
IMHO that makes the whole 'good girl' chase so exciting - to hopefully enjoy experience equal to that of a pro in form of a white skinned, 'innocent' UNI girl. Or any other 'good girl' materialization for that matter.

Bottom line I do not care if they screw around. It's in the package. P4P surely is a welcome alternative, but a well packaged 'good girl' makes it all so much sweeter.

Thanks for the pic. Yes, that hit the spot:-) Damn... these short black skirts and the ever tight white shirt.

BTW: is that true that there is a second hand market where UNI girls find extra tight outfits?



All the time.

For one thing, they come on to you a lot. But, I never shag current students. There's no official rule about it, as long as the student doesn't lodge a complaint. But, it's not ethical, IMHO because of the conflict of interest. A good many teachers aren't so concerned, though. That doesn't mean I haven't shagged them after they were no longer my students because at that point, I was free and clear.

There's one former student (19 y.o. at the time) who I'm sure was actually one of those rare virgins when she studied with me last year. But, she still used to shamelessly flirt with me (and still does, which is the point I'm coming to). After the semester finished, she was chatting with me one day and I said I was going to have Japanese food for lunch. She coyly said, "I'd like to go with you". I said sure. But, she backed off saying her mother would never allow her to go out alone with a man. I mention this because I am now sure that at 20 y.o. she's already lost the big 'V' because her whole demeanor has changed. She has several web-sites, like Hi5 etc. with very sexy pics ( at least showing some cleavage) and she's become much more confident and forward with me. She's asked me if I want to go out with her sometime and has even said she'd like to come over to my place. Sadly, I can't take her up on this because of the GF.

Even after all this time, though I'm still surprised and obviously titillated by a seemingly innocent uni girl doing or saying something provocative. The previously mentioned condom presentation was made all the more interesting by the fact that the student chosen to demonstrate how to put the condom on the dildo was a very cute, but somewhat geeky girl, about 5 feet, nothing tall wearing horn-rimmed glasses, who looked like she'd never had a wicked thought in her life, but put that condom on like a seasoned veteran. I have to say that my jaw dropped when she rolled that sucker over the dildo and then held the dildo out in front so everyone could see, as if she was showing someone a picture of her puppy, all the while with this cute, little innocent smile on her face.

It's moments like those that I really love my job.

I've attached a pic of a "good girl" for you. You know the old saying: "When she was good, she was very good. But when she was bad, she was terrific!"

Old Thai Hand
04-18-07, 05:07
BTW: is that true that there is a second hand market where UNI girls find extra tight outfits?

No second hand market. The vendors are on campus selling the sss-size blouses and 20 cm skirts. The new term for Thai programs starts in a month and International in July, and already the administration has posted signs asking students to dress appropriately.

This plea will be ignored, as usual.

Jungle Bluebird
04-18-07, 07:16
Ok, just this once.. Attached former UNI girl. Actually first time we had sex was in her dorm. Felt kind of guilty tip toeing the stairways to her room. Attached pic was taken by herself some time after.

She now moved on to work in an ad agency. I think the 'good girl' definition takes on a stronger meaning once they entered the real world. She still loves to send me her pics though:-)



No second hand market. The vendors are on campus selling the sss-size blouses and 20 cm skirts. The new term for Thai programs starts in a month and International in July, and already the administration has posted signs asking students to dress appropriately.

This plea will be ignored, as usual.

Old Thai Hand
04-18-07, 08:29
I think the 'good girl' definition takes on a stronger meaning once they entered the real world.

Now that's what I call a "GOOD GIRL"!!

M P Lurker
04-18-07, 11:56
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i think for many girls going without the condom marks the start of the relationship for them. if you are in a committed relationship, they figure why would you need a condom. surely you aren't going to butterfly anymore, right?

it makes for a tricky situation to be sure. if you insist on the condom, that is telling her you are probably still playing around or you don't trust her. if you go without, you expose yourself to all sorts of things. with a good girl the biggest risk is she lets herself get pregnant and then she has really snagged you. remember that many thai women want a half farang baby. light skin is always better in their mind and we can supply the genes to make that happen for their baby.

the most likely reason is that you don't trust her, or more particularly you don't trust her previouys partners or her other current partners, or trust that she is taking the pill correctly.
why would she be already taking the pill unless she was active sexually???
could be protection from pregnancy if raped but this is not a common reason.
another possibility is that you are scared youhave a disease already, but this is less likely.
if you are merely playing around very safely then there would be no reason to insist on the condom if she could be trusted in all respects, but thats too much off a gamble.
get a blood test (both of you), wait several months and get another blood test, and then decide if she can be trusted starting from the first blood test time. no one can be trusted for the time before you became a couple.

Jungle Bluebird
04-18-07, 12:30
NicFrenchy. Yes I am curious about the outcome. Coz usually 'good girls', more educated and having been with foreigners, do insist on condoms or may give in when pressed hard on doing it without. Never heard about one suggesting doing it without protection.

JB


Thank you all for your advice. I am seeing her Tomorrow evening and will report on what happened.

Old Thai Hand
04-18-07, 13:53
From Stickman's emails (April 8)...


How to improve your chances?

If farang men did only one thing to improve their relationships with Thai girls, everything in their lives would change. No ISAAN girls. Period. For fun, as a bar girl, ok. But not for girlfriends or wives! I have friends who have lived here for a long time and more than a few ONLY go out with Thai girls who are NOT from Isaan. And it is AMAZING that they don't have girlfriends who squander money, date motorbike drivers, talk bad to them, and so on. The Isaan subculture will not even let a girl have a good life, because even in she has money, or a good boyfriend, she cannot handle it. She always blows it. When I think of all my friends who have good relationships with Thai girls they always seem to be girls from Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, Bangkok, Lampang, Lamphun, wherever but RARELY ISAAN. Isaan girls are for FUN, not relationships. WAKE UP and smell the reality.

NicFrenchy
04-18-07, 14:16
Oth,

Stickman probably did not write this himself, and if he did, then he is even more of a moron than I have imagined.

How can one assume ALL girls from a province are bad? He probably knows what? A couple hundred? If that. Is that enough to generalize?


When I think of all my friends who have good relationships with Thai girls they always seem to be girls from Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, Bangkok, Lampang, Lamphun, wherever but RARELY ISAAN

Maybe the problem is not coming from the girl, but rather the Friends.

Member #3200
04-18-07, 16:08
They are all good girls some of them more than others especially if they are willing 2 have pics taken of them-hahahaha.

It doesnt matter what they do, where they come from or their education level is-they are sweeter & prettier than the ballbusters back home here in Canada.

Thor93
04-18-07, 16:46
IMHO that makes the whole 'good girl' chase so exciting. To hopefully enjoy experience equal to that of a pro in form of a white skinned, 'innocent' UNI girl. Or any other 'good girl' materialization for that matter.

Bottom line I do not care if they screw around. It's in the package. P4P surely is a welcome alternative, but a well packaged 'good girl' makes it all so much sweeter.

Thanks for the pic. Yes, that hit the spot:.) Damn. These short black skirts and the ever tight white shirt.

BTW: is that true that there is a second hand market where UNI girls find extra tight outfits? I had the best of both worlds once. Met a uni girl in Spasso's who was free lancing. She worked places like Spasso's or Q-bar to make enough to put her through university. I stayed in touch with her over the years. She now has a really good job with a major international corporation.

Years ago I met several different university girls who were working on the side for escort agencies. One became my girlfriend for awhile. I also stayed in touch with her. Eventually she became very successful and ended up a partner in the agency. I know they actively recruited uni girls for part time escort work.

In the end though they all graduate and go on to become "good" girls with normal jobs or boyfriends or husbands. My problem is I been coming to BKK for so long I have seen some of these girls do the whole transition.

Old Thai Hand
04-19-07, 01:28
Oth,

Stickman probably did not write this himself, and if he did, then he is even more of a moron than I have imagined.

How can one assume ALL girls from a province are bad? He probably knows what? A couple hundred? If that. Is that enough to generalize?



Maybe the problem is not coming from the girl, but rather the Friends.

No. He didn't write it and it doesn't say that they're bad. It says they're not good relationship material, which I generally agree with, at least if you're talking about poor Isaan farm-girls. I think it's to do mainly with the disparity of being a 'have-not' and getting involved with a Farang, even of modest means and suddenly having comparative wealth. Thai girls in general usually don't think about the future too much. But, still the Thai and Thai-Chinese culture values making money and saving. But, uneducated Isaan farm-girls, which make up the majority of girls in Isaan take the 'living-for-today' mind-set to extremes. All Thai girls are motivated by money. But, because most from Isaan have the least of it, they focus the most on getting it. The problem is that once they get it, they often squander it. They often also blow their relationships by having a Thai guy on the side. It's been my experience that they're not that loyal compared to girls from other parts of the country.

But, of course there are exceptions in this scenario, simply because not all girls from Isaan are poor farm-girls. Many live in urban centres and many are educated and come from good families.

Jungle Bluebird
04-19-07, 02:57
We are ALL motivated by money:-)



... All Thai girls are motivated by money....

DG69
04-19-07, 06:05
From Stickman's emails (April 8)...


How to improve your chances?

If farang men did only one thing to improve their relationships with Thai girls, everything in their lives would change. No ISAAN girls. Period. For fun, as a bar girl, ok. But not for girlfriends or wives! I have friends who have lived here for a long time and more than a few ONLY go out with Thai girls who are NOT from Isaan. And it is AMAZING that they don't have girlfriends who squander money, date motorbike drivers, talk bad to them, and so on. The Isaan subculture will not even let a girl have a good life, because even in she has money, or a good boyfriend, she cannot handle it. She always blows it. When I think of all my friends who have good relationships with Thai girls they always seem to be girls from Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, Bangkok, Lampang, Lamphun, wherever but RARELY ISAAN. Isaan girls are for FUN, not relationships. WAKE UP and smell the reality.


I tend to agree with that. I have also the feeling that girls not from Isaan are more reliable and more educated. Also, from look I prefer girl from other parts of Thailand. Of course I also do an Isaan girl if she is pretty and I had also Isaan girls who really want a relationship and had a healthy lifestyle. Just last November I had a Isaan girl from Angel Witch who was before working as Nurse. She, didn't drink Alcohol, nor smoke, went to the gym, eated only healthy food (prefered low fat japanese food) and took English lessons. She really tried alot to get me. Came always punctually to meeting points, tried the best in bed to make me want her, never asked for money, interrupt the work at Angel Witch so that I didn't need to pay the barfine, want that I sleep in her appartment. Just unfortunatelly her backside was flat and that is something what I really don't like.
Maybe not only the Isaan girls are bad relationship materials, but also me and most likely many others of the fellow mongers whose post here, too. ;-)

Retired Army
04-19-07, 06:19
Thai girls in general usually don't think about the future too much. ...

...All Thai girls are motivated by money. But, because most from Isaan have the least of it, they focus the most on getting it.




I don't necessarily agree with OTH on these statements. I think Thai girls crave security, both now and in the future, especially for their families. But once they get money (security) they don't know how to handle it and often blow it (literally).

Giotto
04-19-07, 06:48
I don't necessarily agree with OTH on these statements. I think Thai girls crave security, both now and in the future, especially for their families. But once they get money (security) they don't know how to handle it and often blow it (literally).I agree.

There is a difference in the behaviour of girls who support their families and those who only take care of themselves. The last mentioned tend to spend money once they had some income, and only very few of the will ever get out of financial trouble.

Those who support their families very often live on small budgets for themselves, and send most of the money they make to their parents / kids. Even if they make an over average income the money is most of the times disappearing by unexpected events, unreasonable behaviour within the family, criminal activities of family members and the necessity to pay bribes to the police to fix it etc. .

I know so many cases in which girls had built up reserves to start up small businesses, and the necessity to help family members or even cheating within families destroyed all their plans and hopes for a better future.


Giotto

Jungle Bluebird
04-19-07, 07:23
my attempt to classify what constitutes a ‘good girl’ based on my bkk experience.

non good girls:

to be found in soapies such darling etc.: best way for an easy and quick fix. straight to the point, one only sees the girl in her working environment. girls ability to entertain matters, iq does not.

to be found in mp’s such as angels etc.: not recommended if one looks for fs. events can turn out different than one expects. limited therapeutic value in form of a true massage as the outcome is somewhat predictable. limited excitement with regard to the ‘hunt’ factor (i.e. do i get lucky?)

to be found in bars etc: can’t really comment too much as i never go. i’ve been though years ago so here my comment: ok choice for overall entertainment. usually goes along extensive alcohol consumption so all girl are pretty anyway. again girls ability to entertain matters, iq does not. the whole affair needs a lot of commitment. no excitement with regard to the ‘hunt’ factor (i.e. do i get lucky?)

semi good girls:

to be found in traditional mp’s, usually not marked for p4p services. best way for a relaxing, therapeutic massage. oil is best, thai massage also fine. repeat visits can get surprising results with regard to p4p. however, many girls may never agree to p4p. girls ability to entertain matters, iq does not (no talk anyway). increased excitement with regard to the ‘hunt’ factor (i.e. do i get lucky?).

good girls:

any girl/women which has a regular job, but may or may not go part time. this includes the entire thai female population, except all non good girls. not recommended for a quick fix. usually long term commitment. may end up in relationship. ‘gigs’ also fall in this category. girls ability to entertain matters, iq matters as well (sorry o****). repeat dating can get surprising results with regard to sex. max. excitement with regard to the ‘hunt’ factor (i.e. do i get lucky?).

recommendation:

the seasoned, experienced bkk expat usually maintains a manageable number of each type classified.

Opebo
04-19-07, 07:54
...iq matters as well (sorry o****).

the name is opebo, brother. as for iq, there is no reason to believe that prostitutes will be less intelligent than 'non-prostitutes', though of course all attempts to measure 'intelligence' are hopelessly flawed. they normally measure class rather than any innate abilities.

i find that prostitutes almost always seem more intelligent than those lesser women because they are more in tune with reality, what men want, less deluded, etc. for example 'non-prositutes' often demand monogamy, a position so absurd they must be foolish.

as for the regionalism so cherished by certain members of this board, i would like to comment that there are extremely poor 'central thais', and of course many extremely poor northerners, as well as a considerable 'middle class' in isaan. these factors are more indicative of whether a person will join the profession than simple locale.

Piper1
04-19-07, 08:48
Po'Boy, why do people keep getting your name wrong?
__________

Nice discussion of 'good' vs. 'bad' girls. I'm surprised no-one mentioned one of the main reasons why most guys tend to prefer 'good' girls (i.e., girls who don't shag every Obepo, Piper or OTH in town). Remember, we're all animals - literally - so it all comes down to the animal instinct of wanting to continue our genetic line - i.e., making more little Pipers, Peabodys, OTHs etc. If the girl you shag puts out to several guys, there's less of a chance that the resulting screaming little bundle of joy will be your own genetic representative.

Interestingly, since paternity testing became a new trend in the United Litigous States a few years ago, some studies have found that even in so-called monogomous marriages, 30% of children were fathered by someone other than the husband. There are less 'good' girls around than we think.

Jungle Bluebird
04-19-07, 09:24
as per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence

>> Intelligence is a property of mind that encompasses many related mental abilities, such as the capacities to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend ideas and language, and learn <<

Hmmm 'capacities to reason, plan, solve problems' is certainly not one of the stongest points of any ho I ever met.

Which reminds me of your last few posts on barebacking and self medication:-)


..I find that prostitutes almost always seem more intelligent than those lesser women because they are more in tune with reality, what men want, less deluded, etc. For example 'non-prositutes' often demand monogamy, a position so absurd they must be foolish..

Opebo
04-19-07, 10:01
Hmmm 'capacities to reason, plan, solve problems' is certainly not one of the stongest points of any ho I ever met.


You're allowing your prejucides to get the better of you, JB. I find them to be eminently capable of reason, planning, and problem solving. They have to be, considering the difficulties they face as poor people.

Old Thai Hand
04-19-07, 11:25
There are less 'good' girls around than we think.

As I said way back when in this discussion, "good girl" is a relative term.

Personally, I like turning a seemingly good girl, bad.

It's one of the enjoyable parts of the hunter/gatherer culture. ;)

Opebo
04-19-07, 15:48
I'm afraid flaccid elderly are flattering themselves if they think they 'turn' any young girl.

But on a related note - I have a nerdy girl who comes round a lot and calls incessently. She's Isaan middle class - works in an office, family has a car and a truck, and Dad has a decent income (60,000). She's about 30 and not a virgin, but is very reluctant to have sex, partly due to a dimensional mismatch, and partly due to the usual desire to coerce a relationship. I'm fine with that, but only if she never comes around or calls again. Alas, she still visits, and still tries to have sex, though apparently the package Opebo is simply more than she can take.

The other night she said she needed 500 baht for some computer thing, so I said, well, have sex and I'll give you that. We tried, and she still couldn't get it in, though the financial motivation seemed a weird 'turn on' for this 'good girl'. So, since she failed, I just gave her 100 baht and kicked her out.

Clandestine782
04-19-07, 16:07
I'm afraid flaccid elderly are flattering themselves if they think they 'turn' any young girl.

But on a related note - I have a nerdy girl who comes round a lot and calls incessently. She's Isaan middle class - works in an office, family has a car and a truck, and Dad has a decent income (60,000). She's about 30 and not a virgin, but is very reluctant to have sex, partly due to a dimensional mismatch, and partly due to the usual desire to coerce a relationship. I'm fine with that, but only if she never comes around or calls again. Alas, she still visits, and still tries to have sex, though apparently the package Opebo is simply more than she can take.

The other night she said she needed 500 baht for some computer thing, so I said, well, have sex and I'll give you that. We tried, and she still couldn't get it in, though the financial motivation seemed a weird 'turn on' for this 'good girl'. So, since she failed, I just gave her 100 baht and kicked her out.LOL! Dude, you are RAW!!

NicFrenchy
04-19-07, 16:38
The other night she said she needed 500 baht for some computer thing, so I said, well, have sex and I'll give you that. We tried, and she still couldn't get it in, though the financial motivation seemed a weird 'turn on' for this 'good girl'. So, since she failed, I just gave her 100 baht and kicked her out.Wow. 100thb for nothing? Why did you pay her that? Stop this right now! You are spoiling it for all of us!

But, I forgot: you're so generous Opebo, a real class act; ). NOT

Daddy07
04-19-07, 18:22
The other night she said she needed 500 baht for some computer thing, so I said, well, have sex and I'll give you that. We tried, and she still couldn't get it in, though the financial motivation seemed a weird 'turn on' for this 'good girl'. So, since she failed, I just gave her 100 baht and kicked her out.

She'll be back when her asshole begins to drip.

Old Thai Hand
04-20-07, 01:00
So, since she failed, I just gave her 100 baht and kicked her out.

Should you be spending Mommy and Daddy's money in such a cavalier fashion? I thought you were running low on funds. ;)

Boost12
04-21-07, 03:14
Dear internationalsexguiders,

While this may not be the proper place to post my question, I havn't found the clarification after viewing this site for sometime.

Here in Canada, escorts have "pop" restrictions. 1 per hour, for example. Also, the escort might leave you as soon as your "done" or she'll stay but not out of free will, just to be up to agency stadards.

It apals me to learn that in Thailand, where Thais need our sex badly, they will act all buisnesslike and impose "pop" restrictions and such... ( 1 "pop" for short term I have read?) Also, the girl might walk out on you making it a VST (very short term?)

Please bring some light to this situation.

Much appreciated

Boost12

Retired Army
04-21-07, 07:15
It apals me to learn that in Thailand, where Thais need our sex badly,



What???????????????

Brain666
04-21-07, 08:12
Dear internationalsexguiders,

While this may not be the proper place to post my question, I havn't found the clarification after viewing this site for sometime.

Here in Canada, escorts have "pop" restrictions. 1 per hour, for example. Also, the escort might leave you as soon as your "done" or she'll stay but not out of free will, just to be up to agency stadards.

It apals me to learn that in Thailand, where Thais need our sex badly, they will act all buisnesslike and impose "pop" restrictions and such... ( 1 "pop" for short term I have read?) Also, the girl might walk out on you making it a VST (very short term?)

Please bring some light to this situation.

Much appreciated

Boost12

Consider you are a newbie with your number 1 post. So welcome here and you are at leas ahead of many unknown readers and members who over years never do any contribution.

1st) Forget about that any P4P girl in the world would need our sex badly. They need our money badly and that’s it. With offering sex in exchange for money they can get more then in an office and factory job. If they would get more in other jobs no pay for play would be here. But market has demand and therefore pays the surcharge. The charge for P4P depends on the local country supply and demand situation and the risk going along with it. In countries where P4P is a crime you pay the horrible ‘risk surcharges’ for compensation. Examples are Korea and the US where P4P is extremely expensive and unfortunately these nations guys tend to screw up the pricing in P4P countries like Thailand.

2nd) Agencies depend on their reputation to get returning customers. A returning customer ensures their provision. As they are usually charging significantly higher prices then achievable with other P4P options, they set some kind of house rules for business execution, similar as probably all companies in the world have. The agencies ask the girls to keep with this standards, also e.g. to leave on time, as it would screw up their provision system if the girls would widely extend the time free of charge or so.
Such rules may exist for Thai agencies as well, but it also here depends on the girl’s behavior how far she will deviate on that. Probably in Thailand it you can do private arrangements easier then in other countries, but it is always a risk for the girl.

In the free area of Thailand of course none of this rules exists.
Yes there is some common sense about ST and LT, but everybody interprets a bit different.

My definition and probably the most common one:

ST: For the quick release of your load. Timing about 1 h up to probably max. 2 and usually 1 shot. Quick shooters will get less time.

LT: Longtime is ‘defined’ as overnight stay until the morning incl. joint ‘sleep’ (the rest after you are done). It doesn’t matter when the night starts at 19:00h or 2 am, but girls will adjust their rate and openness to LT depending on the clock. No GoGo girl will accept discounted prices from 7PM, but probably at 1 am.
With LT usually multiple pops can be expected as standard and the minimum is 1 pop after arrival in the hotel room and bath/ shower session and one more in the morning if your power allows it. Everything above depends a lot of the chemistry between you and your lady.

And in Thailand (unless in must western countries) I can tell you from my experience that the P4P can go fluently into some kind of boy/ girlfriend type relation.
The LT can end in the morning at 8:00h or can last almost to the next evening. If you like long staying LT’s then check during your talks and negotiation if she has some morning duties (such as Child care, normal job etc.). If not her stay will only depend on your both chemistry. I was lucky and my girls, except for one whom I new upfront that she needed to leave 8:00h, they tended not to leave at all. Leaving time was 14:00-17:00h including ‘never ending pops’ also initiated by her e.g. after breakfast.

Regards

Brain666

Ozirob
04-21-07, 10:12
from my experience that the P4P can go fluently into some kind of boy/ girlfriend type relation.


This is still a p4p situation so still valid for this forum. Maybe interesting for some members to see what can happen.

Spent a week in LOS again last week and had a ball. Same girl i've written about before. Arrived in Bkk went to her apartment and showered, got to know each other again before heading up to Korat and beyond for Songkran with her family.
Parents picked us up and drove towards Buriram, a small place in between somewhere. So here i am upstairs in the most rickety of homes (wondered if the floor would hold me), under a mosquito net, in the room she shared with her sister when young. Having some very sensual sex very conscious of the fact that mum and dad are in the room next door!

Short story is that i had several fascinating days of eating the likes of tripe, raw cockles, and a duck dish topped with the ducks blood (i saw the duck before it was killed - it wasn't sneezing so didn't have the flu....) And i had a ball with the whole Songkran thing.

Back to BKK for the last days in her apartment. All in all a very GFE, no strange happenings, nothing strange happening to get me thinking i'm being duped, in spite of my slightly cynical nature.

For me a very unique, wonderful experience and i was happy to send 27k B after 8 days.

Ozirob

NicFrenchy
04-21-07, 11:26
... including ‘never ending pops’ ...Wow. I've always dreamed to be able to ejaculate endlessly LOL.

If only that was possible, can you imagine the feeling? ;)

Old Thai Hand
04-22-07, 02:22
For me a very unique, wonderful experience and i was happy to send 27k B after 8 days.

So, let's see. You went upcountry with some Isaan hooker to stay in her family's shitty hovel (in low-rent Buriram, no less), ate "food" that no normal Thai would be caught dead eating, and then gave her 27K for the "privilege".

Yes. Truly a "very unique, wonderful experience"....


Naiive chump.

Brain666
04-22-07, 03:19
Wow. I've always dreamed to be able to ejaculate endlessly LOL.

If only that was possible, can you imagine the feeling? ;)

ok guys maybe a bit to much as my age doesn't allow exactly as have put it it. ;) But you know what I mean: the good time with 'cuddling' around and some more pop ins, lots of 'GFE', joint bath etc.

regards

Brain666

Giotto
04-22-07, 08:12
...
For me a very unique, wonderful experience and i was happy to send 27k B after 8 days.
...
Ozirob,

I understand why you call this unique wonderful experience, and why it is worth for you to give that money to that girl.

Others think different, don't worry too much about that :) !


Giotto

Old Thai Hand
04-22-07, 09:36
Ozirob,

I understand why you call this unique wonderful experience, and why it is worth for you to give that money to that girl.

Others think different, don't worry too much about that :) !


Giotto

Mr. G

You sentimental old fool. Are you becoming soft-headed and soft-hearted in your old age? ;)

Giotto
04-22-07, 10:59
...You sentimental old fool. Are you becoming soft-headed and soft-hearted in your old age?Old Thai Hand,

Well said! Yes, I am a sentinental old fool. I do not forget what I enjoyed in Thailand when I came here, and these memories do not change, only because I stay here now for years already.

Today I might act and think differently - but I also enjoyed my experiences years ago (though they were expensive sometimes :) ) !

BTW: We have a special thread for those stories in the Giotto's Lodge forum.


Giotto

Ozirob
04-22-07, 11:27
Others think different, don't worry too much about that :) !
Giotto

Thanks Giotto
I reckon the Ignore list is an under-utilised function on this forum. I had a quick look at OTH 20 previous posts and found nothing useful, just mostly critisism.

OTH now on Ignore !

I'm not worried about it at all :-)

Old Thai Hand
04-22-07, 11:35
Old Thai Hand,

Well said! Yes, I am a sentinental old fool. I do not forget what I enjoyed in Thailand when I came here, and these memories do not change, only because I stay here now for years already.

Today I might act and think differently - but I also enjoyed my experiences years ago (though they were expensive sometimes :) ) !

BTW: We have a special thread for those stories in the Giotto's Lodge forum.


Giotto


Sorry for being such a hard-ass cynic. I've never suffered from the wide-eyed innocence of some of these guys, I think because I never came here on holiday, but to work and live. Nor have I enjoyed (as Ozirob did) the stupidity and insanity of Songkran, one of the most idiotic holidays in the world. Songkran is merely a class war in which the masses get to, once a year vent their frustrations symbolically against their Thai masters who are the architects of their hopeless and meaningless lives. That's why it's so violent, with so many taking it to excess and dying in the process.

In any event, I just wonder if these guys who succumb to "Thai Pussy Fever" would go stay in a slum in their own country with a "ho".

For example, do the mongers in Brazil go stay with hookers living in the Favellas of Rio? I'd be really surprised if they did.

BTW, I did the getting down with natives in Isaan (but, not with a P4P girl, but a girl who is a real estate agent in Korat). I swear I've never had such an f-ing boring time in my life. All the people did was drink themselves blind, talk incessant, meaningless rubbish, cook and eat. The house was a dirty shit-hole (just because you're poor, do you have to live like pigs? Have some pride even in your modest home!) The food was good though. At least she knew how to cook something beyond duck blood.

Ignore lists

Sad that Ozirob put me on his ignore list, as I've contributed many a pithy remark and observation worthy of consideration. Recently, when Baby Dragon was bashing me for no apparent reason, I was advised to put him on my ignore list (I don't actually have anyone on ignore). But, I didn't and just let him bash away as I thought it was his right, even if what he said was less than accurate. Personally, I think using the ignore list is burying one's head in the sand.

Giotto
04-22-07, 12:18
Sorry for being such a hard-ass cynic. ...Old Thai Hand,

LOL :) ! Yes, you are ... and may I remind you of your own words, that this is a public internet forum, and we should not take it too serious ?!?!? Please, don't be too hard to those who enjoy Thailand in a different way, and just let them do what they like to do :) !

Anyway, still waiting for you to come over here for a beer - that I can kick your ass for all your cynic posts of the past few weeks!

Ozirob,

please take OTH from your Ignore list - he added a lot useful infos from the long-time expats point of view, in many reports. They are worth to be read. OTH has his "mental menstruation (MM)" in the moment. Extremely pissed off by his beautiful (female) boss. You know how women feel when the hormons take over :) ! And men with MM suffer much more...


Giotto

Old Thai Hand
04-22-07, 12:25
G

LOL. :)

Ya. I PM'd Ozi and told him to stop being a pussy and just tell me off.


BTW. My boss is off my back and treating me like gold. I think she's had to eat a lot of shit from her boss, because of the way she was treating me. I'm actually extremely surprised at this, as Thais usually close ranks when it comes to conflicts with farangs and the farang loses. So, I'm not suffering MM at the moment as you seem to think - just being my usual contakerous self. ;)

Giotto
04-22-07, 12:31
BTW. My boss is off my back and treating me like gold. I think she's had to eat a lot of shit from her boss, because of the way she was treating me. I'm actually extremely surprised at this, as Thais usually close ranks when it comes to conflicts with farangs and the farang loses. So, I'm not suffering MM at the moment as you seem to think - just being my usual contakerous self.Old Thai Hand,

That are good news. That means that you pay for the beer.

My dictionary does not know the word "contakerous". So I still don't know your real self :) ! But may be doctors can help...


Giotto

Brain666
04-22-07, 12:53
Thanks Giotto
I reckon the Ignore list is an under-utilised function on this forum. I had a quick look at OTH 20 previous posts and found nothing useful, just mostly critisism.

OTH now on Ignore !

I'm not worried about it at all :-)

My ignore list is simply empty. The individual characters are part of the fun factor of this board. Figure that OTH's statements (which I don't necessarily always agree) are part of povocative style. Can live with that and also others bahave.
My ignore list will stay empty from OTH's Opebo's, DS's, Giotto's etc. Just simply empty.

Enjoy guys don't take everything serious.

Brain666

Ozirob
04-22-07, 12:55
Ozirob,

please take OTH from your Ignore list


Ok. Done.

For what its worth OTH, Of course she is a hooker from Isaan. Of course its food you wouldn't normally eat. And the house was indeed a very basic place.

However: she is good at what she does, The food in fact tasted fine and i didn't get sick, the house was spotless clean!

I saved somewhere between 5,000 and 10,000 baht on hotel accommodation. Had free internet connection, had my washing done, didn't need to pay for a lot of meals.

And i walk (fly) away at the end of it with no hassles.

I'm happy with every part of the experience.
Ozirob

Old Thai Hand
04-22-07, 12:55
old thai hand,

that are good news. that means that you pay for the beer.

my dictionary does not know the word "contakerous". so i still don't know your real self :) ! but may be doctors can help...


giotto

sorry. i spelled it wrong.

'cantankerous' is not the same as the 'cankers' that o****/opebo has on his uncovered willy. although, in both cases you get pretty pissed off. ;)

Old Thai Hand
04-22-07, 12:58
Ok. Done.

For what its worth OTH, Of course she is a hooker from Isaan. Of course its food you wouldn't normally eat. And the house was indeed a very basic place.

However: she is good at what she does, The food in fact tasted fine and i didn't get sick, the house was spotless clean!

I saved somewhere between 5,000 and 10,000 baht on hotel accommodation. Had free internet connection, had my washing done, didn't need to pay for a lot of meals.

And i walk (fly) away at the end of it with no hassles.

I'm happy with every part of the experience.
Ozirob

I like the accountable breakdown. I'm convinced. :)

Retired Army
04-22-07, 13:56
BTW, I did the getting down with natives in Isaan (but, not with a P4P girl, but a girl who is a real estate agent in Korat). I swear I've never had such an f-ing boring time in my life. All the people did was drink themselves blind, talk incessant, meaningless rubbish, cook and eat. The house was a dirty shit-hole (just because you're poor, do you have to live like pigs? Have some pride even in your modest home!) The food was good though. At least she knew how to cook something beyond duck blood.



Compared to Surin (where my TGF is from) Korat is the hotbead of activity. As far as I can tell the only thing to do in Surin at night is to sit under the only streetlamp in town and squash bugs.

Member #3200
04-22-07, 16:44
Sit under the 1 streetlight & squash bugs-that sounds like a hopping metropolis-hehehe

2 each their own-if someone wants 2 drop nearly a $1000CDN as a gift when he leaves, its his right even though I find it alittle cookcoo for cocoa puffs 2 dos o as that was my whole expenditure for my 2 week trip 2 LOS back in November where I was a walking hard-on & ****-18 women in 13 days

I find ignore lists 2 be the lazy way out-even as stupid as some people act-Opebo-he does make one think & does give decent info on the topic this forum is for banging ladies for the right price.

OTH-is a very knowledgeable man who likes 2 tell it like it is & gives info on the other side of the mongering coin-what it is really like living in Thailand with thai ladies which 1 day I would love 2 do because Canada is 2 cold in winter & the north american attitude from women suck

Positive or negative posts or reviews should be handled the same way-its info & unlike a certain sex board here in Toronto, negative posts are censored & people are banned which makes ISG the best. Thank you Jackson

Duniawala
04-22-07, 16:59
Nor have I enjoyed (as Ozirob did) the stupidity and insanity of Songkran, one of the most idiotic holidays in the world. Songkran is merely a class war in which the masses get to, once a year vent their frustrations symbolically against their Thai masters who are the architects of their hopeless and meaningless lives. That's why it's so violent, with so many taking it to excess and dying in the process.
Wow, "Mister know it all" now professes to know the festival of Songkran!

OTH, the following is the right description:
"In Thailand, April 13th is designated Songkran Day which is the traditional New Year's day. The Songkran festival lasts for three days in total and is a time for family get-togethers, visiting the temple, practicing the precepts, offering food to monks and even bathing images of the Buddha. It is also a time for mischief and merriment, characterized by playful water fights. For this reason, it is also referred to as the Water Festival"

It is also related to the Holi festival in India where they celebrate it as the rite of Spring season. Where it is played with colored powders and colored water instead of just plain water.

Retired Army
04-22-07, 17:36
Songkran wasn't always like it is now. Before the G.I.s arrived about forty years the Thai's would dip their fingers into a little bowl and sprinkle the water along with a blessing. Well, we had to be assholes and took Songkran to an entirely different level. First it was glasses of water, then hoses and when I left in 1972 we were taking 55 galon drums, filling them with ice and water and throwing buckets full on to people on the street from the back of pick-up trucks.

Opebo
04-22-07, 17:45
So, let's see. You went upcountry with some Isaan hooker to stay in her family's shitty hovel (in low-rent Buriram, no less), ate "food" that no normal Thai would be caught dead eating, and then gave her 27K for the "privilege".

Yes. Truly a "very unique, wonderful experience".I'm sure the experience was fascinating, OTH. The only thing which spoils it is the overpaying.

Several years ago, I actually did exactly this same sort of trip to Isaan, and in fact to Buriram, with a girl who worked at Eden Club. The curious part was that not only did I not pay her for the three day visit, but she 'took care' of me!

It went like this. After a few regular two girl visits with this girl (bareback btw! ), I would occasionally bar fine her late at night and we would hang out all night. She even occasionally bought me dinner and once a Thai massage! Then one day she asked if I would come to Buriram with her and 'pretend to be her rich boyfriend' for the occasion of blessing the new house she had built with Eden monies. I was about 34 at the time, and I suppose the idea of telling her family she was making 60, 000 a month off of a decent looking guy in her age range sounded better than the truth. Blowing and anally recieving 3-4 guys a day every day.

I agreed, with the caveate that I was broke and so she would have to take care of food, transportation, etc. , plus a taxi back to Hua Hin when we parted at the end of the long weekend. And thus it transpired. The most interesting thing was how our personal dynamic changed over this period. At first in Eden, when I was a normal paying customer, she provided fantastic service. But once she wasn't being paid, she wouldn't have sex at all. Only blow jobs. I suppose I should count myself lucky she did even that.

One funny moment was when she had just recieved a nice full load in her mouth after sucking me off in the guest bedroom of her fine new house. At Eden she would have swallowed of course, but here she spat it out the window! I couldn't help but wonder if it fell on a drunk, as the house was surrounded by locals sauced on her dime during the three day party.

But the upshot was that I enjoyed a culturally interesting weekend at no cost, with some of the best food I had had to date in Thailand. I even got to watch them slaughter the pig!

Old Thai Hand
04-23-07, 00:57
Wow, "Mister know it all" now professes to know the festival of Songkran!

OTH, the following is the right description:
"In Thailand, April 13th is designated Songkran Day which is the traditional New Year's day. The Songkran festival lasts for three days in total and is a time for family get-togethers, visiting the temple, practicing the precepts, offering food to monks and even bathing images of the Buddha. It is also a time for mischief and merriment, characterized by playful water fights. For this reason, it is also referred to as the Water Festival"

It is also related to the Holi festival in India where they celebrate it as the rite of Spring season. Where it is played with colored powders and colored water instead of just plain water.

What's your problem, Duni? How many actual Songkrans have you ever witnessed? Your description is the official definition (where did you get it? Wikpedia) and hardly an accurate portrayal of what really goes on.

So far, I've been through 11 and my take on it is pretty well the reality. It actually lasted 5 days (officially) this years and in some places up to 10. It is primarily a holiday of drunken hooliganism perpetrated by the lower-classes resulting in many deaths and injuries - mostly drunks on motorcylces upcountry. The middle-class and above, for the most part do not take part in the water fighting and physical assaults that have come to mark this stupid holiday and try to avoid the rowdiness at all costs, either by staying in, leaving the country and finding somewhere where it is observed more traditionally and in a minimal fashion (such as Hua Hin, where I was).

While your little description is charming. It is not as it really is. BTW, I've also been through Holi in both India and Nepal.

Duniawala
04-23-07, 15:46
It is primarily a holiday of drunken hooliganism perpetrated by the lower-classes resulting in many deaths and injuries - mostly drunks on motorcylces upcountry.

The middle-class and above, for the most part do not take part in the water fighting and physical assaults that have come to mark this stupid holiday and try to avoid the rowdiness at all costs, either by staying in, leaving the country and finding somewhere where it is observed more traditionally and in a minimal fashion (such as Hua Hin, where I was).


Songkran is merely a class war in which the masses get to, once a year vent their frustrations symbolically against their Thai masters who are the architects of their hopeless and meaningless lives. That's why it's so violent, with so many taking it to excess and dying in the process.

First you say it is a a class war of slaves vs. their masters. Now, you come out and say this only the low class which mars the festival and the middle class go to Hua Hin. Are you saying that you were in the low class since you endured 11 years of hell during Songkran. Make up your mind, OTH

BTW, The street class in India also celebrates in the same way where instead of colors they smear you with boot polish, paint and such stuff. So such behavior is not isolated to Thailand.

If you want to get drenched it's your fault for being where water buckets are thrown. The "low class" are simply enjoying a cheap endeavor. And I am sure that it must be really bad in Isaan, judging by your past comments. And BTW does the dark skinned behave worse than the fairer ones?

And yes, I have been through Songkran couple of times. And yes I enjoyed it to some extent. And I guess I must be a "low class" by your definition.

And finally, I have no clue what you are doing on a monger board since you don't participate in P4P, live the HiSo life and doing nothing related to our activities.

Ha, that was a good laugh.:D

Traveler1234
04-23-07, 15:52
And finally, I have no clue what you are doing on a monger board since you don't participate in P4P, live the HiSo life and doing nothing related to our activities.


Priceless....ROFLMAO

Kiwi 69
04-23-07, 16:49
I notice you receive many disparaging comments, re some of your posts. I appreciate reading about the realities of living in Thailand and have noted some of the traits you mention in TG's that I have met in Germany and Switzerland.

I hope I can buy you a drink if I ever get to Thailand.Your info is priceless.

Old Thai Hand
04-23-07, 17:05
Duni

Since you brought this up in the first place...and it's boring, BTW...

You obviously misunderstood what I was trying to say, or are not interested in the real social ramifications of what Songkran has become. What I wrote was meant merely as an explanation as to why the whole holiday has turned so violent and crazy. I will put it another way. It is the one time of the year that essentially the downtrodden (a better word than lower-class) can vent their anger and frustration at their horrible lives, and because there is so much pent-up anger, particularly now, Songkran has turned into an unpleasant and dangerous experience.

Your railing on about all of this is actually about something else which I can only assume is to do with your dislike of me for some reason.
You've had a chip on your shoulder about me for a long time, despite the fact that I've never said anything negative to you at all. Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion. While I don't live a HiSo life, (if I did, I wouldn't be working now, would I?) my experiences on the edges of HiSo and my preference for the white-skinned women in and around that milieu seems to be something that sticks in your craw, as you've mentioned it repeatedly before. I know you like dark-skinned women. I like light-skinned women. To each his own.

You imply that maybe I should not be on this board because I am not part of the scene. However, I still think that this board is (or at least it used to be) about more than just the latest news about blow-job bars and the Biergarten and therefore that I have something to contribute despite not participating in P4P.

But, perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps the prevailing tone of this board has gone down to the point that people are only interested in reading yet another story about Rin at Hana massage (we get it! we get it! - she's got big tits, massages your balls and will take a load in her mouth) or Opebo's latest STD.

But then again, maybe we should get back to talking about Thai women, (something I probably know more about than you do), which is what this thread is about.

Old Thai Hand
04-24-07, 11:49
I notice you receive many disparaging comments, re some of your posts. I appreciate reading about the realities of living in Thailand and have noted some of the traits you mention in TG's that I have met in Germany and Switzerland.

I hope I can buy you a drink if I ever get to Thailand.Your info is priceless.

Thanks I appreciate it.

The disparaging remarks are sometimes justified, as I like anyone in the anonymity of the Internet can get carried away and say outrageous things and express opinions I might not say in real life. I [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) a lot a people off sometimes. I'm a jerk sometimes. Most people are at one time or other. However, there are major assholes who appear on here from time to time and who like having a go at insulting and stirring up shit just for its own sake.
Because it's become so prevalent lately, I really don't care anymore what people say.

Duniawala
04-24-07, 15:19
OTH

Just call it quits. I have no desire to continue this. I just felt that you slammed a festival from your POV and gives a wrong impression to people not familiar with it. I have no beef with you, but if you had presented your POV along with the real (intended) definition of the festival, I would have been ok with it.

Anyway, Peace.

Old Thai Hand
04-24-07, 16:48
OTH

Just call it quits. I have no desire to continue this. I just felt that you slammed a festival from your POV and gives a wrong impression to people not familiar with it. I have no beef with you, but if you had presented your POV along with the real (intended) definition of the festival, I would have been ok with it.

Anyway, Peace.

In truth, I should have been more specific in my references, as while this is a POV of Songkran I agree with, it was in fact an opinion piece in The Nation a week or so ago and not originally my idea.

Interestingly, many Thais blame Farang visitors to popular places like Khao San Road, Chiang Mai, Pattaya and Phuket for corrupting the holiday and turning it into one big viscious water-fight. Based on Retired Army's assertion that the US military started the large-scale mayem during the Vietnam War, there might be some validity to it.

anyway. Peace II

Terry Terrier
04-24-07, 17:24
I was also in Hua Hin recently and experienced my first (and hopefully last) Songkran. My own observations on this festival tie in largely with OTH's. But Hua Hin's version is low-key??? Sheesh! I'm glad I didn't 'celebrate' it in one of Thailand's other popular tourist areas :eek:

Dinghy
04-24-07, 19:50
RA knows of whence he speaks - songkran up by Udon according to my dad (stationed there in 1956) was a squirt gun fest (low key by comparison to today - little plastic squirt guns). It wasn't too bad in 1967 (my first association in Pattaya). Now it has become a "dual" holiday - wet mayhem in the streets of major cities, less wet less mayhem in the country side larger towns, traditional in the small villages. I wait until after songkran to go (eek neung kreung awrtit)

Old Thai Hand
04-25-07, 02:25
I was also in Hua Hin recently and experienced my first (and hopefully last) Songkran. My own observations on this festival tie in largely with OTH's. But Hua Hin's version is low-key??? Sheesh! I'm glad I didn't 'celebrate' it in one of Thailand's other popular tourist areas :eek:

If you were there on the 13th. Yes, It would have been mayhem because this is the designated day, which is why I came on the 14th. There was only one street in town still basically 'playing water' on Saturday. Everywhere else was pretty dry. I only had one very small and brief squirt on my back while sitting in a song taow. Other than that, I didn't encounter anything.

Jungle Bluebird
04-25-07, 02:41
sorry, can't see how any of below comments relate to 'thai women - opinions & advice'. well, unless if one is into '[CodeWord117] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117)', that is:-)

Animby
04-25-07, 21:14
I really don't care anymore what people say.There ya go! I can be a pretty good curmudgeon myself from time to time though I try to keep civil online. Some people use the anonymity of the net to be the asshole they can't be in person. But, the nicest thing about it is: anonymity works both ways. Most of us will never meet.

Hard to imagine all this vitriol over songkran. Never been there for it, myself but my Thai friends make it sound like a horror! Have a lovely young friend (sadly only a friend - her family is quite well off) who tells me there are many parts of Bangkok they simply won't go to during songkran and never to Chiang Mai during the festival.

Old Thai Hand
04-26-07, 01:10
sorry, can't see how any of below comments relate to 'thai women - opinions & advice'. well, unless if one is into '[CodeWord117] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117)', that is:-)

exactly!

it shows how something completely irrelevant can develop and escalate quickly on a web board when people are trying to resolve a dispute, or perhaps just a reaction to something that began as a side comment.

to make it more relevant, i'll say that if one can endure the misery of songkran, say somewhere like khao san rd. in bangers, or anywhere in chiang mai, one will be rewarded with the sight of lots of soaking wet tgs in skimpy tops.

Jungle Bluebird
04-26-07, 03:43
Could not agree more. Those tight t-shirts on Songkran, and the organic reaction to all that cold water is purely bliss to the eye.

If I would be younger, oh yes I would mingle. Pretending to be drunk and 'accidentally' groping everything in sight.

JB




Exactly!

It shows how something completely irrelevant can develop and escalate quickly on a web board when people are trying to resolve a dispute, or perhaps just a reaction to something that began as a side comment.

To make it more relevant, I'll say that if one can endure the misery of Songkran, say somewhere like Khao San Rd. in Bangers, or anywhere in Chiang Mai, one will be rewarded with the sight of lots of soaking wet TGs in skimpy tops.

Jezzza
05-06-07, 08:29
Wondering, has anyone had a long term relationship with a thai women from sex trade? Do they still put "out" over time or do they start to withhold sex like any other spouse?

Opebo
05-06-07, 14:16
If I would be younger, oh yes I would mingle. Pretending to be drunk and 'accidentally' groping everything in sight.

According to my GF that is precisely the point of the holiday, for the girls and for the boys.

Double Nickle
05-08-07, 22:41
I haven't been to Thailand yet but have experienced Thai massage in Copenhagen and Arhus, Denmark; and in Thai-town, Los Angeles, USA. The masseuses are attractive and pleasant at the massage parlor I went to in Arhus. I opted for "traditional" and didn't get a happy ending. Maybe I would have if I asked for the oil massage. In Copenhagen I went to an apartment Thai massage parlor. One Thai lady there was very hot. I got a plain one who didn't really give me a massage, but was the first Thai I had sex with. I went to a Thai bar in downdown Copenhagen where some of the women were hot. The one I got was not so much so. A friend who knows said I should look out for large hands, she might be a lady boy. Mine had kind of large hands so I decided not to risk it and left.

My most memorable experience was in the Thai section of Los Angeles where a Thai college girl gave me a traditional massage. When I was young I sometimes would get so sexually excited that I would literally shake. At 56 I am calm and cool and will go in a new massage parlor, "I'd like a massage please, " without the slightest tremor. But this young Thai coed was so desirable that she had me shaking just at the sight of her. For the first time in decades. I'm surprised I didn't draw the wrinkled old Thai lady sleeping on a bench instead.

Double Nickle

Jungle Bluebird
05-09-07, 03:20
Double Nickle.

Interesting, makes me realize how spoiled I am. What you find in Bangkok are many different type of massages. What ever takes your fancy, pending on your daily mood, you just need to go the right place.

Most of the Japanese joints (i.e. catering are primary to Japanese) provide a good mix of massages combined with HJ’s and full service. Being nice to the girl helps a lot, as the experience really depends on the mood of the girl.

If I am in the mood for 'good girls', I venture into traditional, massage only places. Here the game would be to get the girl into doing extra service. Some of my best sessions I had in these places. But getting the girl to do the extra service may take time and can be labor intensive.

If I need just good sex, then they are always the Massage Parlors (Soapies). Outcome is certain.

And of course then it’s the endless game of hunting little office girls. Lunch time is best:-)

I live in the more 'trendy' part of Bangkok and they must be at least 20-30 massage joints within 10 minutes drive. All would cater to my various needs.

Mind you, that is the only good thing about Bangkok. Overall Bangkok is just a dump.

JB




I haven't been to Thailand yet but have experienced Thai massage in Copenhagen and Arhus, Denmark; and in Thai-town, Los Angeles, USA. The masseuses are attractive and pleasant at the massage parlor I went to in Arhus. I opted for "traditional" and didn't get a happy ending. Maybe I would have if I asked for the oil massage. In Copenhagen I went to an apartment Thai massage parlor. One Thai lady there was very hot. I got a plain one who didn't really give me a massage, but was the first Thai I had sex with. I went to a Thai bar in downdown Copenhagen where some of the women were hot. The one I got was not so much so. A friend who knows said I should look out for large hands, she might be a lady boy. Mine had kind of large hands so I decided not to risk it and left.

My most memorable experience was in the Thai section of Los Angeles where a Thai college girl gave me a traditional massage. When I was young I sometimes would get so sexually excited that I would literally shake. At 56 I am calm and cool and will go in a new massage parlor, "I'd like a massage please, " without the slightest tremor. But this young Thai coed was so desirable that she had me shaking just at the sight of her. For the first time in decades. I'm surprised I didn't draw the wrinkled old Thai lady sleeping on a bench instead.

Double Nickle

Catmonger
05-10-07, 23:07
Thai ladies are wonderful to make love to. But I'd leave it there. No more romantic involvement with Thai ladies for me.

Just my experience, I'm not an expert. But it coincides with what I've read and heard over the years.

Jungle Bluebird
05-11-07, 03:56
Quite frankly, there is a lot of shit written in this board about Thai girlfriends. Of course, when mixing P4P with emotion, things get ugly. Also, you can take the girl out of the village, but you cannot get the village out of the girl.

Loads of proper hard working Thai women in this country who surely qualify for g/f, wife. Cultural differences cannot be bridged, that guys need to understand.

Many of the views expressed here are truly bottom up. Guys who only hang out with *****s surely will never meet educated Thai women.

Thai women are the sweetest girls in the world, as long as one demonstrates patience and understanding.

JB



Thai ladies are wonderful to make love to. But I'd leave it there. No more romantic involvement with Thai ladies for me.

Just my experience, I'm not an expert. But it coincides with what I've read and heard over the years.

Catmonger
05-11-07, 06:15
Quite frankly, there is a lot of shot written in this board about Thai girlfriends. Of course, when mixing P4P with emotion, things get ugly. Also, you can take the girl out of the village, but you cannot get the village out of the girl.

Loads of proper hard working Thai women in this country who surely qualify for g/f, wife. Cultural differences cannot be bridged, that guys need to understand.

Many of the views here are truly bottom up. Guys who work in low income jobs and only hang out with *****s surely will never meet educated Thai women.

Thai women are the sweetest girls in the world, as long as one demonstrates patience and understanding.

JB
The ladies I refer to are working straight jobs and never worked their backs to my knowledge. Thai society includes a lot of lying to avoid conflict and they don't like being direct. But a con is a con. And a comitted relationship takes honesty, compromise and a little work in any language.

Buddha teaches to not lie.

And I've experienced that the advice from sound hands on this board is valid.
Just my .02

Khun Larry
05-11-07, 07:56
Thai women are terrific up to a point. They can be very sweet but only when they want to be, even irresistibly sweet. They can also be very difficult, immature and frustrating.

In ten years, meeting hundreds of farangs with their Thai gf or wife, meeting many Thais myself, I can count on one hand the Thai women worth a dam. Even these would be a stretch to marry. Generally speaking the shorter the relationship the better. The odds are very very poor.

One farangs observation.

Khun Larry
05-11-07, 08:01
I haven't been to Thailand yet but have experienced Thai massage in Copenhagen and Arhus, Denmark; and in Thai-town, Los Angeles, USA. The masseuses are attractive and pleasant at the massage parlor I went to in Arhus. I opted for "traditional" and didn't get a happy ending. Maybe I would have if I asked for the oil massage. In Copenhagen I went to an apartment Thai massage parlor. One Thai lady there was very hot. I got a plain one who didn't really give me a massage, but was the first Thai I had sex with. I went to a Thai bar in downdown Copenhagen where some of the women were hot. The one I got was not so much so. A friend who knows said I should look out for large hands, she might be a lady boy. Mine had kind of large hands so I decided not to risk it and left.

My most memorable experience was in the Thai section of Los Angeles where a Thai college girl gave me a traditional massage. When I was young I sometimes would get so sexually excited that I would literally shake. At 56 I am calm and cool and will go in a new massage parlor, "I'd like a massage please, " without the slightest tremor. But this young Thai coed was so desirable that she had me shaking just at the sight of her. For the first time in decades. I'm surprised I didn't draw the wrinkled old Thai lady sleeping on a bench instead.

Double Nickle

DN

You really need to go to Thailand for a spell.

Call it a medical trip. Clear your system!

Retired Army
05-11-07, 10:04
Thai women are terrific up to a point. They can be very sweet but only when they want to be, even irresistibly sweet. They can also be very difficult, immature and frustrating.

In ten years, meeting hundreds of farangs with their Thai gf or wife, meeting many Thais myself, I can count on one hand the Thai women worth a dam. Even these would be a stretch to marry. Generally speaking the shorter the relationship the better. The odds are very very poor.

One farangs observation.

yes, Thai women can be difficult. And the less educated and cultured the more difficult.

Maybe I am one of the lucky ones who has beat the odds and found a truly wonderful Thai woman. Not to say that she doesn't have her shortcomings, but nothing I can't live with. When compared to Western women she comes off even better. And the sad thing is: because I know so many of her good, decent, respectible friends most of whom would make a wonderful GF or wife.

Once you get off Sukhumvit, away from Nana, but not in the villages you find absolutely georgeous wonderful Thai women who would love to treat you like a king.

Double Nickle
05-11-07, 16:28
DN

You really need to go to Thailand for a spell.

Call it a medical trip. Clear your system!That's what I was thinking. At 56 I'm not looking for marriage or kids. But I'd like a few days at least, maybe as long as a week or two to experience 24/7 relationship. Maybe beyond girlfriend experience, almost a wife experience. Does she have to nag me and give me chores?

A friend married a Thai civilian 40 years ago, took her to USA. It seems to have worked fine. A devout Muslim friend had a sexual fling in Thailand 30 years ago, before settling down to an arranged marriage. He has no regrets. In fact, I think it is the high point of his life.

Double Nickle

M P Lurker
05-12-07, 22:27
I have moved this out of the Bangkok Reports thread.


NicFrenchy

I was referring to the approach, not what happens in Thai marriages or relationships in general.

Thai guys are very sweet with girls. I watch these guys in my office. Very smooth, unlike most of felong guys I know.

For example watch the stunners these guys pull out of the Emporium at shift closure. You can see them driving off on the back on motorcycles.

Where felongs have to pay top coin to get laid, Thai guys are compensate by just being nice. Case in point, many sex workers do support their Thai boyfriends. They may tell you that Thai guys are lousy, yet truth is that your money flows in their pocket.

Higher up in society Thai girls do really stick with Thai guys. No chance for Felongs, and if only for short period of times. Again Thai's win as they are simply sweeter with the girls. Of course cultural parallels and language certainly are the main reason for same race marriages.

Trust me, I think Thai guys are all lazy and spoiled. I rather hire Thai women anytime. But I do give credit to their technique when it comes to chatting up girls.
JB

Many less naive Thai girls understand very well that Thai can talk sweetly but actually be bastards. After being burned by Thai men themselves and seeing their sisters being married to untrustworthy Thai men and even knowing the bad behaviour of their own brothers continually sponging off the family, they may well be considering finding a reliable Farang (who treats them well and with respect) as an alternative, when all the good Thai men are already taken.


Most Thai dudes are unemployed so the pooying is earning all the jack in the sack and getting kissed and licked by the farhang while she hands over all the jack to her poochai like a ho to a pimp. Thai foreplay is "wake up, bitz" a little diddle and a quick bone. If she is knobbing the farhang the Thai guy will make her polish his knob too while telling her what a ho she is. Watch the Thai Soaps. A girl is getting smacked around in every episode. I hate to say it but those women thrive on abuse. The minute you show your soft underside to them they will gut you. Many USAF guy lost stripes in Khorat during the Viet Nam war for hooking up with those insidius little critters, only to bring them back to the USA for them to run off with some guy from their province once he gets to California.

Thai girls are not into getting beaten around if they can find a viable alternative. My ex GF left her husband when he started beating her even though she would have to support the daugther by herself. He wasn't like that originally.
Its much more common that nicer Thai P4P girls are supporting the family (parents, children, and lazy brothers) rather than lazy boyfriends, in my experience. But depends on the type of girls that you choose.


There is some truth to what you write. However, I assume that you are referring to bar girls and only bar girls. Most good, honest, decent and respectible Thai girls would love to have a guy who is sensitive to their needs and doesn't treat them like shit.

I know Army guys from Udorn who married bar girls and took them back to "the land of the big P.X." only to have them screw around and then split with the first guy who could give them something a little better.

I agree with this except no need to make the bar girl distinction. Most girls are looking for the best guy they can find.
Many, when they got to the States, were looking for an upgrade to something much better once they realised that much better was available to them.

Retired Army
05-13-07, 08:12
. Maybe beyond girlfriend experience, almost a wife experience. Does she have to nag me and give me chores?

Double Nickle

Are you saying that you want some Thai woman to nag and give you chores? Why don't you just stay in the U.S. where that comes natural to women.

Jungle Bluebird
05-14-07, 04:07
ML

Only natural I think and nothing to hold against Thai women. Humans do develop (evolutionary and thanks god for that).


...Many, when they got to the States, were looking for an upgrade to something much better once they realised that much better was available to them.

Finrod
05-14-07, 06:41
Small confessions time:

Someone I am close to has been married to a Thai girl for 6 years now. She is 5 years younger than him. One child so far, maybe more coming. She was not a BG; rather, she was former uni girl from a middle class family in BKK. I visited with the family when I was in BKK so I feel comfortable making that assessment about them. He said she's very good in bed and in the kitchen, very sensible about money, but the cultural differences have really taken a lot of work to get around. Literally driven him nuts. In public, she is nice to everyone, but in private, she can and does go ballistic with him. He said his secret to survival is (1), don't take everything personally, her mood changes all the time, no need to go there with her; (2), figure out how to get what he wants without fighting her over it.

He has seen most farang-TG marriages break up and he thinks it's because neither side takes those cultural differences into account and both sides often come from failed relationships where they didn't learn the lessons they needed to. He gives almost no chance at all if one marries an uneducated farm girl, especially if that farm girl has been a BG. He bluntly told me last year that if I want to marry a TG like him, I should find one who is educated as she will at least have been exposed somewhat to Western culture without the distortion that comes from the bar environment. Of course, he says that's still no guarantee of a successful marriage... Just my $0.02

Retired Army
05-14-07, 07:32
her mood changes all the time, no need to go there with her;

And what woman doesn't? I think women should be banished to the forest for about one week a month.



He bluntly told me last year that if I want to marry a TG like him, I should find one who is educated as she will at least have been exposed somewhat to Western culture without the distortion that comes from the bar environment. Of course, he says that's still no guarantee of a successful marriage...

This is a no brainer.

LittleBigMan
05-14-07, 10:00
IMHO, I don't care who one's marry's whatever the case you better surely have alot of patients and definitely be open minded. From my observation of another farang and their thai marriage, she can be educated but if she just does not have any common sense and thinks immaturely I personally feel you have less of a chance to succeed in the marriage. I take a woman that have common sense over a educated one. Now of course I'm not going to complain if one comes along with both!

LBM, oh I do agree also that women can change mood quickly no matter where they come from!

Jungle Bluebird
05-15-07, 04:59
Ultimately it comes down to compatibility. Knowing oneself is a pre-requisite to understand the world around you. How a mature farang coming to Thailand marries a black, ex-ho jungle bunny in the belief that he will be forever happy completely escapes me. Worse, exporting the jungle bunny to his home country. Now that is just stupid.

Any guy with reasonable intelligence should naturally seek an intellectual equivalent. Failure to do so can only result in disaster. Unless of course he lowers his standards.

I have a feeling that a lot of guys are emotionally quite insecure, somewhat bruised from their upbringing. Then living or vacating in Thailand, the big smile and politeness of the Thai girls is mis-read for love. Many times it is simply the first time guys are appreciated and not scolded for their sexual needs. Thai women in return naturally take the opportunity the love smitten felong offers, attempting to secure their new found powerbase throughout the relationship. This is where IQ will make a difference.

Any guy who lives with a screaming, erratic g/f, wife, has only himself to blame. After all shouting, or any form of aggressive behavior is rooted in insecurity and indicates inability for dialog.

JB




IMHO, I don't care who one's marry's whatever the case you better surely have alot of patients and definitely be open minded. From my observation of another farang and their thai marriage, she can be educated but if she just does not have any common sense and thinks immaturely I personally feel you have less of a chance to succeed in the marriage. I take a woman that have common sense over a educated one. Now of course I'm not going to complain if one comes along with both!

LBM, oh I do agree also that women can change mood quickly no matter where they come from!

LittleBigMan
05-15-07, 05:54
JB. Sure I.Q matters but most that have it seem to do the screaming and yelling in my opinion. In joking maybe too smart to put up with our bullshit! If lowering yourself to find someone compatible then so be it. It certainly doesn't bother me I rather be happy and content than sitting in front of a T.V. like the commercial in the U.S. last year Superbowl run showing a guy refereeing a basketball game being yelled at by a coach of one of the teams and showing no emotion. The question was how the hell does he get that kind of dicipline? Flip and there he is seating on a sofa watching T.V. while his wife stood over him yelling and screaming what a useless bum he was!

I lower myself and found someone that happens to have been raise in the country and had only 4 years of schooling and I brought her and our son to Pattaya over 7 years ago to live and with limited communication skills between the both of us I today still am amazed how life smart she is and have more common sense than my first wife who went to UCLA on a full academic scholarship. Life take funny turns you just never know!

LBM

Khun Larry
05-15-07, 18:26
Small confessions time:

Someone I am close to has been married to a Thai girl for 6 years now. She is 5 years younger than him. One child so far, maybe more coming. She was not a BG; rather, she was former uni girl from a middle class family in BKK. I visited with the family when I was in BKK so I feel comfortable making that assessment about them. He said she's very good in bed and in the kitchen, very sensible about money, but the cultural differences have really taken a lot of work to get around. Literally driven him nuts. In public, she is nice to everyone, but in private, she can and does go ballistic with him. He said his secret to survival is (1), don't take everything personally, her mood changes all the time, no need to go there with her; (2), figure out how to get what he wants without fighting her over it.


I suppose this is a sucessful Thai - Farang marriage but it seems too stressful. I cannot understand why anyone would want to be in this type of marriage.

My current situation is with a Thai gf in BKK for 4+ years now. Before her it was a 3 year gig so 2 ladies in 7 years. I see her twice a year, once in the winter for 3 months and another month in July. Enough for me given the distance. After 2 months I am very ready to hit the road. I suppose she will not be there one of there trips.... mai pen rai ...... next!

Opebo
05-15-07, 19:21
...a black, ex-ho jungle bunny ...

After all shouting, or any form of aggressive behavior is rooted in insecurity and indicates inability for dialogue

Racism is also rooted in insecurity, brother.

Piper1
05-15-07, 21:49
Racism is also rooted in insecurity, brother.I agree Comrade.

And whatever happened to OTH? I miss his cheeky contibutions. OTH - I know you're watching. Come back ol' pal. ;)

NicFrenchy
05-16-07, 05:16
I think women should be banished to the forest for about one week a month.Ha! Well if that's going to happen, better make sure she goes to the Forest while on her Period Week ;)

Jungle Bluebird
05-16-07, 05:48
Sorry Opebo. Not racism, but merely an observation.

'racism' as per dictionary.reference.com

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

Never said that love cannot be found with 'a black, ex-ho jungle bunny'. I merely stated a fact. I see felongs daily, being quite happy, walking hand in hand with (sorry) a black, ex-ho jungle bunny.

This is all fine and good (what do I care), however to marry the jungle bunny, or worse, to facilitate residency in the western world, is inherently flawed.

Would I marry my maid? She certainly looks like a jungle bunny. No I would not. It's not the color of her skin, it's about complete incompatibility, socially and intellectually.

JB




Racism is also rooted in insecurity, brother.

Finrod
05-16-07, 08:24
I suppose this is a sucessful Thai - Farang marriage but it seems too stressful. I cannot understand why anyone would want to be in this type of marriage.
That depends on how strong you are: my friend has figured that part out, now he gets respect from his wife. If she goes off, he's ok because it's really not his problem, it's hers and he lets her know it. He told me that when he stopped getting involved in her drama, well darn it the drama went way down when she found out she couldn't push his buttons anymore.

This is true of being in a relationship with a woman anywhere, not just in Asia: you're screwed if you try the long-term relationship without having your inner self in order.

Catmonger
05-16-07, 16:56
you're screwed if you try the long-term relationship without having your inner self in order.
True. And if you tell her what you're all about that's good. But beware, she may convince you that she's cool with that, and tell you she wants the same -and be deceiving you.

It's pretty hard to spend enough time with a deceptive woman while in seperate countries to discern her level of honesty. Thais are accustomed to regular interpersonal deception, and Pinoys seem to grift a bit as well. So what to do if you like the sweet asian ways but require a more western level of open communication?

Khun Larry
05-16-07, 17:14
That depends on how strong you are: my friend has figured that part out, now he gets respect from his wife. If she goes off, he's ok because it's really not his problem, it's hers and he lets her know it. He told me that when he stopped getting involved in her drama, well darn it the drama went way down when she found out she couldn't push his buttons anymore.

This is true of being in a relationship with a woman anywhere, not just in Asia: you're screwed if you try the long-term relationship without having your inner self in order.

Agree 100%

A few years ago I my lady was giving me alot of shit if I came home on the late side 1 - 2am. Mostly unwarranted and from jealosy. She had at times threatened to kick me out of "her appartment" which ofcourse I pay for. The next time this happened I put a few things in a bag and told her I was moving to Pattaya. She demanded I remove everything from her appartment, which is being a pain at 2am. I looked around the room and each thing, food, books, clothes etc. told her I don't need she could throw out. Wished her well and left for Pattaya.

My phone rang constantly for 2 days afterwhich we resolved all disagreement. Any hint of a problem since then (2 years ago) I just mention I'm thinking of going to Pattaya to relax for a few days and problem solved. Just the thought of a farang BF-ATM going to pattaya works wonders.

Khun Larry
05-16-07, 17:18
Thais are accustomed to regular interpersonal deception, and Pinoys seem to grift a bit as well. So what to do if you like the sweet asian ways but require a more western level of open communication?

You may be looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Asians do not seem to be that way.

Animby
05-17-07, 04:11
Ha! Well if that's going to happen, better make sure she goes to the Forest while on her Period Week ;)And, could we have an optional second week?

Jungle Bluebird
05-17-07, 04:49
i found the major challenge in thailand when discussing sensitive issues with g/f (or employees for that matter) is really communication or better, the lack of proper communication skills (as we know them). chit chat is fine, but solving problems is a sticky subject. kind of no one moves, nobody gets hurt. potential face loss is a big issue, so most confrontations are avoided.

if the unavoidable happens, i.e. direct criticism is given, people tend to overact. first comes the shut down (i.e. no speech treatment), followed by running away (driver fled the scene) or outright anger (..” i quit”, “ how can you do this to me..” etc)

felong approach or understanding of logic does not apply in thailand. also i found best is to avoid any ref. to other girls, women. do not even comment on girls on tv (..."she looks cute"..) and never even look at other women, when g/f, wife is close.

stand by your liberties is in the long run a wasted effort, as her social makeup is simply non compatible.

if your in rome.... :-)

jb

M P Lurker
05-17-07, 13:53
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Felong approach or understanding of logic does not apply in Thailand. Also I found best is to avoid ANY ref. to other girls, women. Do not even comment on girls on TV (..."she looks cute"..) and never even look at other women, when G/F, wife is close.

Stand by your liberties is in the long run a wasted effort, as her social makeup is simply non compatible.
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JB
There are only a percentage of Thai girls where other women cannot be looked at, talked about, etc.
These girls who think you want to fuck everyone have a mental problem, unless you really do want to fuck every single woman.
But you definitely need to dump girls that are like this. The strain is too much.
I have had to drop girls that were just far too jealous even when no cause was given. These girls are obviously lacking in self esteem that they think just any old girl could steal you away at the drop of her hat (or knickers).

Unfortunately, Farang guys (not "Felong") need to have a good trustworthy track record in order to be trusted as well, but being unable to speak to another woman is just too ridiculous (and I have experienced exactly this).
Remember that Thai men are just as untrustworthy or more so.

The only advantage I have found with extremely jealous women is that they seem to want to fuck a lot. Its the instinct to make sure you are too tired to be able to play up with another woman. I was only allowed to "go out" without her if I fucked her both before and after. A poor performance would be seen as evidence of probable cheating.

Jungle Bluebird
05-18-07, 03:47
Yes, women can read minds:-) After all their dad, their brothers, just about any guy they know, mongers like crazy. The truth is out, guys only have one thing on their mind.


...These girls who think you want to fuck everyone have a mental problem, unless you really do want to fuck every single woman.

Sean_Double
05-18-07, 05:17
Yes, women can read minds:-) After all their dad, their brothers, just about any guy they know, mongers like crazy. The truth is out, guys only have one thing on their mind.

Not really,
They're just better at reading the "tells," play poker (or any other game of chance) with a Thai woman who knows the rules. You'll wind up trying to hitch a ride to Pattaya with a cardboard sign.

Cheers,
Sean

MeatMan
05-18-07, 14:16
The only advantage I have found with extremely jealous women is that they seem to want to fuck a lot. Its the instinct to make sure you are too tired to be able to play up with another woman. I was only allowed to "go out" without her if I fucked her both before and after. A poor performance would be seen as evidence of probable cheating.

After reading this, It's soooo Spot on! LOL!

1Ball
05-18-07, 16:29
The only advantage I have found with extremely jealous women is that they seem to want to fuck a lot. Its the instinct to make sure you are too tired to be able to play up with another woman. I was only allowed to "go out" without her if I fucked her both before and after. A poor performance would be seen as evidence of probable cheating.

After reading this, It's soooo Spot on! LOL!
After reading this, I realize some people are soooo pussy whipped! LOL!

M P Lurker
05-19-07, 10:05
Yes, women can read minds:-) After all their dad, their brothers, just about any guy they know, mongers like crazy. The truth is out, guys only have one thing on their mind.
Only one thing on the mind consistently, but at least I have standards.
There are still a high percentage of women that I am not thinking about fucking.
Life is too short to go mongering and fuck just any old girl.
May as well spend a little time to find a girl that is something special in some way.

Member #2041
05-19-07, 16:32
Only one thing on the mind consistently, but at least I have standards.
There are still a high percentage of women that I am not thinking about fucking.
Life is too short to go mongering and fuck just any old girl.
May as well spend a little time to find a girl that is something special in some way.

Agreed. For example, I won't fuck any girl who's not breathing (and ideally, capable of breathing through her nose). Actually, my standards are set by the head below my belt. If I do not wish to fuck a girl, he will let me know by going soft on me.

Jungle Bluebird
05-20-07, 08:57
ML

I guess you would like me to respond, and fair enough, it does get a bit boring in the Thailand section with now all the tourists gone.

With regard to looks: over the years in spend in Thailand I had several proper g/f’s, each relationship lasted a number of years. Between, and during these I had ample sweet hearts from all walks of live. I think altogether, in all the countries I lived in, including Thailand, I must had well over 1000 girls. And I only can say this, looks are deceiving. Best sex I usually had with girls where I at least expected it. Of course there were the outright ‘fuck me’ faces. But those are not really my type anyway.

If asked to generalize, I would say that the most rewarding sexual experiences come women from between 30 -40 years of age. Here it all comes together, confidence, financial independence, and a straight acknowledgement of their sexual needs. But also I am real sucker for independent business type women. I believe that smart women just fuck better. Or let’s say the overall package is better delivered.

With regard to Thai women, as I wrote before, the biggest mistake by felongs (‘felongs’ as in Thai speak) is that they seek an equal mate. I believe expectations are hardly met, as under that sweet skin a very different set of cultural value exists. With regard to sex, well I must admit I screwed quiet some monsters in my time, but I found in all women some beauty, and may it just be in their soul.

JB



Only one thing on the mind consistently, but at least I have standards.
There are still a high percentage of women that I am not thinking about fucking.
Life is too short to go mongering and fuck just any old girl.
May as well spend a little time to find a girl that is something special in some way.

Happy Bigamist
06-03-07, 04:55
Gents,

As I will be spening an increasing amount of time in Thailand, I want to marry a hooker. We all know the downside but I want to cash in on the upside and minimize the downside.

My usual MO is to marry and skip town at the right time. This might mean buying gold and then going to the airport with it and leaving her in the lurch. I do support any kids I make though.

If you were to marry a Pattaya or Bangkok hooker, knowing the downsides, what sort would you go for? The new arrival, still in her rice harvesting clothes, the disco queen, the Soi 6 trooper?

I am looking at someone, 24-30, no babies, susceptible to having a boob job or other trust building job done, not too many friends in Pattaya so I screw her and not the other weay round. Suggestions?

Daddy07
06-03-07, 21:15
...I want to marry a hooker... My usual MO is to marry and skip town at the right time. This might mean buying gold and then going to the airport with it and leaving her in the lurch... so I screw her and not the other way round. Suggestions?

Hey Happy,

Sounds like a lovely idea you've got there. You must be a really nice guy. While I have no particular suggestions for you, I certainly hope that you get what you deserve in the end.

Regards,
Daddy

Catmonger
06-03-07, 21:24
Gents,

As I will be spening an increasing amount of time in Thailand, I want to marry a hooker. We all know the downside but I want to cash in on the upside and minimize the downside.

My usual MO is to marry and skip town at the right time. This might mean buying gold and then going to the airport with it and leaving her in the lurch. I do support any kids I make though.

If you were to marry a Pattaya or Bangkok hooker, knowing the downsides, what sort would you go for? The new arrival, still in her rice harvesting clothes, the disco queen, the Soi 6 trooper?

I am looking at someone, 24-30, no babies, susceptible to having a boob job or other trust building job done, not too many friends in Pattaya so I screw her and not the other weay round. Suggestions?
You are not going to do well here. I'd wish you the usual "good luck" salutations but I hope you get what you deserve. And good is not included in that.

Terry Terrier
06-04-07, 01:31
Gents,

As I will be spening an increasing amount of time in Thailand, I want to marry a hooker. We all know the downside but I want to cash in on the upside and minimize the downside.

My usual MO is to marry and skip town at the right time. This might mean buying gold and then going to the airport with it and leaving her in the lurch. I do support any kids I make though.

If you were to marry a Pattaya or Bangkok hooker, knowing the downsides, what sort would you go for? The new arrival, still in her rice harvesting clothes, the disco queen, the Soi 6 trooper?

I am looking at someone, 24-30, no babies, susceptible to having a boob job or other trust building job done, not too many friends in Pattaya so I screw her and not the other weay round. Suggestions?
Dom,

I heard that the best place for titjobs is Bangmod Hospital in Bangkok. Equally popular among media gals and katoys, apparently.

Sean_Double
06-04-07, 03:36
Gents,

As I will be spening an increasing amount of time in Thailand, I want to marry a hooker. We all know the downside but I want to cash in on the upside and minimize the downside.

My usual MO is to marry and skip town at the right time. This might mean buying gold and then going to the airport with it and leaving her in the lurch. I do support any kids I make though.

If you were to marry a Pattaya or Bangkok hooker, knowing the downsides, what sort would you go for? The new arrival, still in her rice harvesting clothes, the disco queen, the Soi 6 trooper?

I am looking at someone, 24-30, no babies, susceptible to having a boob job or other trust building job done, not too many friends in Pattaya so I screw her and not the other weay round. Suggestions?

Yo Mr. Big,

This is after all a sex site, but you're post is sort of ..troubling. You're questions seem to naively ask questions that by their specificity would indicate that you know the answers already. You're usual "MO" should be your guide.

If you are in fact serious, I'd have to ask why you would want to marry a Thai hooker? You don't need to...just pay her; everyone will be happier, and you won't fuck her up when you leave with your gold or whatever.

Here's a tip: read the Pattaya City News on the internet. http://www.pattayacitynews.net and take a look at the morgue shots of other guys with the same idea. Chok Dee.

Cheers,
Sean

Thor93
06-04-07, 03:51
Who is going to take a new guy with 11 posts seriously? Read his posts and you can see he is probably just writing to get a rise out of people. It is scary though to think there are guys out there that actually think this way.

In the unlikely event he is serious, someone should warn him just how dangerous a Thai girl who has been wronged can be. Lets be serious here and acknowledge that many of these girls can play the game better than we can. Lets hope he finds one of them.

NicFrenchy
06-04-07, 05:25
Who is going to take a new guy with 11 posts seriously? Read his posts and you can see he is probably just writing to get a rise out of people. It is scary though to think there are guys out there that actually think this way.He is called a TROLL.

Ignore that asshole and he will go away. Don't feed him. don't waste your time on him.

Now, if you are for real, I hope you marry a nice hooker and catch Herpes and HIV.

Khun Larry
06-04-07, 17:32
Gents,

As I will be spening an increasing amount of time in Thailand, I want to marry a hooker. We all know the downside but I want to cash in on the upside and minimize the downside.

My usual MO is to marry and skip town at the right time. This might mean buying gold and then going to the airport with it and leaving her in the lurch. I do support any kids I make though.

If you were to marry a Pattaya or Bangkok hooker, knowing the downsides, what sort would you go for? The new arrival, still in her rice harvesting clothes, the disco queen, the Soi 6 trooper?

I am looking at someone, 24-30, no babies, susceptible to having a boob job or other trust building job done, not too many friends in Pattaya so I screw her and not the other weay round. Suggestions?

Probably the first one you see will be as good as any.

Good luck getting the better of a Thai Ho. You have chosen a formidable opponent. Also, you would be well advised not to plan on a return trip after you skip town.

Ozirob
06-05-07, 00:46
I am looking at someone, 24-30, no babies, susceptible to having a boob job or other trust building job done, not too many friends in Pattaya so I screw her and not the other weay round. Suggestions?


Go anywhere and just ask for Katoey. she' will fit the bill perfectly!

Ozirob

Happy Bigamist
06-06-07, 05:51
It seems not many here have a high opinion of Thai prostitutes. I fretted that my earlier comments might have been too hard on these providers. It is reassuring to know the contempt you hold these fallen women in. Although it is also reassuring to know that all of you want nothing to do with them besides a quick fuck, this does not explain the enigma of many of you supporting and marrying them.

Some women like boobs jobs and they have to be supported. The big thing with richer women is getting their pussies resculpted. It aids the sexual pleasure.
Speaking about aids, those of you who have katoeys on the brain should check out this link.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,21832250-912,00.html?from=public_rss

Thank you

Catmonger
06-14-07, 05:51
It seems not many here have a high opinion of Thai prostitutes. I fretted that my earlier comments might have been too hard on these providers. It is reassuring to know the contempt you hold these fallen women in. Although it is also reassuring to know that all of you want nothing to do with them besides a quick fuck, this does not explain the enigma of many of you supporting and marrying them.

Some women like boobs jobs and they have to be supported. The big thing with richer women is getting their pussies resculpted. It aids the sexual pleasure.
Speaking about aids, those of you who have katoeys on the brain should check out this link.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,21832250-912,00.html?from=public_rss Thank you
These are wonderful ladies. But not Sunday school teachers. I speak for me, and I have no contempt for these women. I don't judge them as fallen. Maybe you are projecting something, I don't know. Just a notion.

These ladies are in a hard place financialy. They aren't hung up on phony Victorian mores. They need money, their mom's need money... and WE HAVE MONEY (along with boners). What a win-win.

So they play men like a three tier chess board, true. So we warn each other and enjoy the game. Love and relationships are very very different though. Don't break hearts in Thailand.

Khun Larry
06-28-07, 02:55
These ladies are in a hard place financialy. They aren't hung up on phony Victorian mores. They need money, their mom's need money... and WE HAVE MONEY (along with boners). What a win-win.



Almost always in Thailand it is a case of the girls want more money than actually need money. The HO's make 10x what average Thais make. They are spend-thrifts in the estreme, never saving a single baht. Always a discount can be had or a fling with a coed the last weekend of the month when all are bahtless. Plan your trip with this in mind. Great system, hope it never changes. As you say win-win.

Animby
06-29-07, 08:12
My usual MO is to marry and skip town at the right time. This might mean buying gold and then going to the airport with it and leaving her in the lurch. I do support any kids I make though.This implies there are other "wives" and children extant. I'm not going to lecture you on lifestyle but that's a very dangerous thing to do. You might end up severely dead. These girls talk to each other and share and have long memories. If you're so willing to spend money, why bother to marry a hooker? She'll be very happy to let you buy her a boob job and gold and service you pretty damned well while you do.

If you;re getting some kind of kick out of hurting them in the end, then I'd strongly suggest you seek counseling instead of another wife.

Chairman59
06-29-07, 18:58
Gents,

As I will be spening an increasing amount of time in Thailand, I want to marry a hooker. We all know the downside but I want to cash in on the upside and minimize the downside.If you like drinking milk, you go buy some at the supermarket. You dont have to rear a cow to drink its milk. It is too much trouble feeding the cow just to drink its milk.

RetiredForever
06-29-07, 22:51
You are sitting at a one of the many fine drinking establishments Thailand has to offer. You just completed answering the introductory questions your beautiful hostess has asked you. What is your name? Where are you from? How long are you here for? How much money do you want to spend on me? Now all of the other members of this forum know you are a fine fella whose only wish is to come over here and spend all your money making a woman happy. But no what you really want is to learn to speak Thai. For those that are interested in some fun conversation here is a list of words and pronunciations I put together for my virgin trip. I have had more fun sitting around trying to learn these words. Try them and have some fun. Once the lady you are sitting with realizes how interested you are in learning her language she will probably want to sleep with you for free just to show her appreciation for your effort. Remember this is a very tonal language and the pronunciation from North to South will vary like most languages in any country will vary according to local usage.

YES châI NO mâI châI
GOOD MORNING à-roon sà-wàt
GOOD EVENING sà-wàt-dee
PLEASE gà-róo-naa THANK YOU kòp koon
SORRY sai jai GOODBYE laa gòn
LEFT sáai RIGHT kwăa Stop here Jod thee nee
WATER náam MILK náam nom
COFFEE gaa-fâe BATHRM hông náam
May I take a photo? tai ruup dai mai
0 sŏon
1 nèung 11 sìp èt
2 sŏng 12 si p sŏng
3 săam 13 si p săam 30 săam sip
4 sèe 14 sìp sèe 40 sèe sip
5 hâa 15 sìp hâa 50 hâa sip
6 hòk 16 sìp hòk 60 hòk sip
7 jèt 17 sìp jèt 70 jèt sip
8 pàet 18 sìp pàe 80 pàet sip
9 gâo 19 sìp gâo 90 gâo sip
10 sìp 20 yii sip 100 nèung rdwy
200 sŏng rdwy 1000 phan MONEY ngern

The bill please gep taang
MAY I SEE MENU? Khor doo menu noy?
Not spicy or hot. Mai ow prik
I don't like that. Mai chawp
Keep the change May thon thorn
KNIFE mêet FORK sôm SPOON chón
PLATE jaan BOWL chaam
GLAS gâew náam
HOT pèt rón COLD yen NAME naam
MEAT néua CHICKEN gàI RICE kâao
PORK năem FISH bplaa
Fried Rice Khao Phat Sticky Rice Khao Niao
Noodles Kway Tiao
sunny side up egg Khai Dao
Where Bathroom? hong-nam-you-tee-nay
May I take a photo? tai ruup dai mai
I can't speak Thai phoot Thai mai dai
I don't understand mai kao chai
My name is Phom/Chan cheu
What is your name? Khun Cheu Arai?
How much? Thâo rai or Kee Baht?
discount a little? Lot rakka dai mai
Too expensive. Paeng Pai
I want it cheaper. ow thuuk
My name is Phom/Chan cheu
What is your name? Khun Cheu Arai?
You are cute Khun Na Rak
You Are Beautiful coon-soo-aye
You have a beautiful smile Yim Suai
Are you hungry? Hue mai?
MOUTH bpàak HAIR pŏm
HAND meu LEG kăa kâeng CHEST òk
HOW MANY/MUCH gèe mâak nóI
Too expensive. Paeng Pai
BROTHER pá-raa-don SISTER nóng săao
CHILDREN dèk-lék AGE aa-yóo

I'd like to go to yàak jà pai
TAXI rót táek-sêe BEACH chaai hàat
AIRPORT sà-năam bin BOAT reua
MARKET dtà-làat MORE gwàa
LESS/SMALLER nói long
WHEN way-laa TODAY wan née
TOMOROW prôong-née
YESTERDAY mêua waan
Good dee BAD mai dee

The Traveler
06-30-07, 01:37
retiredforever,

nice compilation. please allow me to make some corrections as thai is a tonal language - as you already pointed out - where pronounciation is most important. many items of your list could be spelled quite differently, but this largely depends by the native tongue of the readers (for example "[CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)" and "roi" for english speaking people, but "pi" and "reu" for germans) and the fact that there are often no direct equivalents when typing in latin letters.

please
gà-róo-naa (when asking for something)
tchoen (when offering something)

sorry
"sia jai" not "sai jai"

100
nueng roi (how you pronounce "rdwy", there is not a single vocal ?)

keep the change
mai dong torn (not may thon thorn)

name ?
guess you meant water = naam

pork
muu (not năem, nâem is a certain ground meat / sausage made of pork)

noodles
kway tiao (actually "good diauw" is a noodle soup. btw, "kway" means buffalo)

hand
"mue" not "meu" ("meu" or "moi" means pubic hair but can be quite useful too :))

brother
"pi chai" or "nong chai" (pi or [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) ralates to people who are older than yourself, nong to those who are younger)

sister
nóng săao (younger sister, see above)

children
dèk-lék ("dek" means child, "lek" means small, but if you want to ask a girl how many children she has you have to use the term "luuk" = khun mi luuk ki khon kap ?)

also note that it is more polite to end questions and answers with the word "khrap" (for men) and "kha" (for women). so if you want to ask "how old are you, please" you got to say "khun ajou tao-rai khrap ?"

The Traveler
06-30-07, 01:46
My usual MO is to marry and skip town at the right time. This might mean buying gold and then going to the airport with it and leaving her in the lurch.
Happy Bigamist,

in other words you cheat those girls.
Why take the gold and don't leave it to them ?
They did their part of the deal so you got to do yours.
You are nothing but a cheap charlie. Shame on you.

M P Lurker
08-07-07, 00:57
retiredforever,

nice compilation. please allow me to make some corrections as thai is a tonal language - as you already pointed out - where pronounciation is most important. many items of your list could be spelled quite differently, but this largely depends by the native tongue of the readers (for example "[CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)" and "roi" for english speaking people, but "pi" and "reu" for germans) and the fact that there are often no direct equivalents when typing in latin letters.

please
gà-róo-naa (when asking for something)
tchoen (when offering something)

sorry
"sia jai" not "sai jai"

100
nueng roi (how you pronounce "rdwy", there is not a single vocal ?)

keep the change
mai dong torn (not may thon thorn)

name ?
guess you meant water = naam

pork
muu (not năem, nâem is a certain ground meat / sausage made of pork)

noodles
kway tiao (actually "good diauw" is a noodle soup. btw, "kway" means buffalo)

hand
"mue" not "meu" ("meu" or "moi" means pubic hair but can be quite useful too :))

brother
"pi chai" or "nong chai" (pi or [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) ralates to people who are older than yourself, nong to those who are younger)

sister
nóng săao (younger sister, see above)

children
dèk-lék ("dek" means child, "lek" means small, but if you want to ask a girl how many children she has you have to use the term "luuk" = khun mi luuk ki khon kap ?)

also note that it is more polite to end questions and answers with the word "khrap" (for men) and "kha" (for women). so if you want to ask "how old are you, please" you got to say "khun ajou tao-rai khrap ?"
tt,

you are mostly spot on, however just a little inconsistent in your pronunciation guide and no transliteration is perfect.
i cannot possibly agree with "good diauw" for "noodles" but perhaps you have a typo here in the first word "good".

meu meaning pubic hair is only for german style pronunciation.
english people would use moi (rising tone)
meu is ok for 'hand' for english speakers although nothing is exact,
the 'eu' is pronounced as in pneumatic but with a wide stretched closed mouth.
i agree however that spelling it "mue" (as in flue) is less risky.

"buffalo" is khwaai (mid tone)

kway tiao is a possible way to write "noodles" if we assume both k and t are unaspirated (kh and th are aspirated versions as you yourself did in "khun mi luuk ki khon").
ki = gee with a hard g for english style
english style for "noodles" would be:
guay (high tone) diaow (rising)

PinkPearl
08-07-07, 01:55
I am wondering how you deal with TGs who come up with a reason not to have vaginal intercourse with you. I encountered this a number of times. Maybe inform them you only have half of what her pay is, but you can get her the rest next week? Tell her she can have 50% now or you'll call security & she'll get nothing?

On one occasion after telling her I wanted to boom boom her she said she was not horny. This was a pickup in the Nana parking lot, one who claimed to work the beergarden on soi 7.

Before she came to my room she assured me she wanted to "take care" of me and she knew what men wanted {when I asked her what she could do for me}. The next day I saw her walking outside and she urged me to go to the bank with her so she could send ME money every month.

Other excuses girls gave for not having sex, or ending it after it had just started: she had cum, it was her time of the month.

After suggesting to a Thermae coffee shop hottie that I wanted to have sex {boom boom? } since her massage/HJ had made me horny, she said nothing, sat down and started drinking her coke & reading the newspaper.

I guess that is par for the course for that joint, as it was always full of Japaneese who, I've heard, let their TGs be very lazy. In fact another pickup from there described herself using that exact word.

My best BKK experiences were at the massage parlours. I also had good luck with street pickups, except the Nana car park was hit and miss {even with the same lady it could be awesome one time & a nightmare the next}. The dark & smoke filled Thermae bar {sukhumvit near soi 19} was the low end & more $$$ for a hottie.

Member #2041
08-07-07, 07:58
Pink Pearl, sometimes if you pick up someone in the Nana Car Park who refuses to have vaginal intercourse with you, it might be because "she" lacks the necessary oriface.

NicFrenchy
08-07-07, 11:04
Pink Pearl, sometimes if you pick up someone in the Nana Car Park who refuses to have vaginal intercourse with you, it might be because "she" lacks the necessary oriface.Indeed. LOL.

However I have to say that this never happened to me.

Maybe because I don't hunt in these Areas (Car Park, Thermae, Sukh Street, BG7), I much prefer to have a drink, know the girl a little and Barfine her from a Bar (that way, I know the bar will be there for me to complain if things take a bad turn). I know this is Foolish thinking, but it worked for me so far.

The only girls that refused me sex were some girls I met (non P4P) at Emporium Food court. We went out, dancing, drinking, they slept at my place but would not have sex with me (they actually slept in the Guest room). I was stunned and offered to pay Taxi back to their place but they refused and wanted to stay.

I saw one of the girls on another date and she offered herself to me this time (not a great session though).

The whole P4P experience can be Very tricky, if you look at the majority of Escort's websites, they insist on the fact that you pay for companionship only (sex or no sex, you pay for the lady's time), not very related to our Nana car park story, but if you agree to ST with the girl for let's say 500, and she makes you come by a BBBJ, she's upheld her side of the contract (in my eyes anyhow).

M P Lurker
08-07-07, 11:18
Pink Pearl, sometimes if you pick up someone in the Nana Car Park who refuses to have vaginal intercourse with you, it might be because "she" lacks the necessary oriface.
ROFLMAO mate.

Member #2305
08-07-07, 14:46
My friend's tirak(Burmese) always has to go back to Mae Sai to make Identification card(IC). I think one year 2-3 times.

ACtually they go back to extend or make a new one? Is this called temporary IC? How this works? When they can have a permanent IC?

Can any Bro here help to answer these? Thanks in advance.

M P Lurker
08-10-07, 18:20
AGREE/CORRECT châI NOT AGREE mâI châI
NO mâI (is the closest although Thais don't have a word for NO or YES)
GOOD MORNING sà-wàt-dee (no one says "à-roon sà-wàt")
SORRY sia jai GOODBYE laa gòrn
LEFT sáai RIGHT khwăa
MILK nom
100 nèung roi
Keep the change Mai dtong thorn
SPOON chórn
HOT rórn
PORK Moo
I don't understand mai khao jai
How much? Thâo rai or Gee Baht?
You Are Beautiful Khun soo-ay
Are you hungry? Hiw mai?
HOW MANY gèe un
Too expensive. Phaeng Bpai
Older BROTHER Phee Chai
Younger Brother Nong Chai
Younger SISTER nóng săao

MORE mark gwàa
LESS nói gwàa
SMALLER lek gwàa
Reducing nói long

Finrod
08-11-07, 01:36
I'll add a couple of favorites (I don't have the keyboard for the accent marks):

kiss me - juup dai
sweetheart - waan jai

Russell Crowe
08-12-07, 03:17
I will be here a few years and have some time to try and get a local GF.

I have taken a real cutie non P4P out on a few dates and have been getting some mixed messages. Whenever we go out, I have a great time and we end up talking for hours and she seems genuinely interested. She has even called me to initiate a date. However, she insists on paying for things and has not been real interested in physical contact.

For those with experience, is she just waiting to get to know me better? Or am I destined for the let's be friends scenario?

Catmonger
08-27-07, 12:38
These women will utterly fool even the most well-travelled and intelligent among us. The venus fly trap comes to mind, when I think of the deception and betrayal I've seen, read of, and experienced.

We don't stand a chance if they want to deceive us, they are that good at it. Not all, yes there are exceptions, but there are valid generalizations to be aware of.

These girls will lie and deceive. Period. It's how Thais avoid conflict, save face, and just plain get away with what they want by taking the easy way. They're not direct by nature and can smile sincerely with zero perceptible signs of deception; eyebrows raised too long, glancing away from eye contact, fake yawn, blinking, etc.

Even the non-pros will decide to turn a trick and go back to their farang boyfriend/husband's condo and screw him as per typical. The guy thinks he's her god as the spooge from the payor dries in her panties.

Rent, don't buy the lie. Even country girls, maybe especially them, are not the sought-after "good girl". They will filet you like a fish as quickly as a BG from Bangers.

They will have multiple email accounts and feign internet ignorance. They will have multiple sim cards while they collect cash from multiple smart, good guys. And the scams will morph in a cat and mouse game that these schemers excell at. It's not racist, but societal diferences and pressures do exist. These ladies HAVE TO take care of mom and the grandkids that mom cares for while daughter(s) work in BKK. It's how they are wired and it's all good. Just because it's not in line with western thinking and behaviour does not make it less ethical. Just different.

Catmonger
08-27-07, 12:51
AGREE/CORRECT châI NOT AGREE mâI châI
NO mâI (is the closest although Thais don't have a word for NO or YES)
GOOD MORNING sà-wàt-dee (no one says "à-roon sà-wàt")
SORRY sia jai GOODBYE laa gòrn
LEFT sáai RIGHT khwăa
MILK nom
100 nèung roi
Keep the change Mai dtong thorn
SPOON chórn
HOT rórn
PORK Moo
I don't understand mai khao jai
How much? Thâo rai or Gee Baht?
You Are Beautiful Khun soo-ay
Are you hungry? Hiw mai?
HOW MANY gèe un
Too expensive. Phaeng Bpai
Older BROTHER Phee Chai
Younger Brother Nong Chai
Younger SISTER nóng săao

MORE mark gwàa
LESS nói gwàa
SMALLER lek gwàa
Reducing nói long

Good work Mick Licker. The phrase books are sooo bad sometimes.
James Higbie, "Let's Speak Thai" is easier for me.

I'd add/alter:
how many, kii _____ (as in kii baht) Maybe a HARD g sound if gii

turn left, layo sai
turn right. layo kwah (easy for taxi meter)
here/close by here is good, tii nii

same same, chen kahn (or) muan kahn