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your information is a bit out of date, gladiator. for several months it's been forbidden for anyone under 20 to work in bars in los.
evil
evil,
you need to get out of eden a bit more frequently and see the real thailand, or, at least, the real pattaya; if one day you dare to do so (i guess that would be a challenge for you), you will discover that there are 18-19 yo bg’s, bars closing later than the legal closing times and, more worrying, even cars driving above the speed limit – that might finish with your innocent view of the world, but at least next time you won’t make a fool of yourself by posting ridiculous statements.
LittleBigMan
03-15-07, 06:42
FWolf66,
Thanks for the tip, but I for one don't plan to be fooled by a "it" never have and I plan to never. She was a really women but like I said, didn't see anything in the 18,19 range.
LBM
About 1 week ago, In the early evening, I walked along Beach Road, from Soi 1 to Walking Street. What a sad sight! No more pretty young girls to watch. The women sitting there, with their back to the sea, were all far beyond 30. I would not mind their age, if they were not that worn out, obviously many of them drug addicts. Time for them to send their own daughters to Beach Road and stay at home! Maybe the police arrested all the good looking and healthy ladies?
Hey Guys,
Just been reading some of the posts, 20 year old bar girls only. 1000 baht short time! Russian hordes in walking street. Have I really been gone that long.
Maybe I should stay home and hump that fat ***** next door.
Just booked for early May, haven't been for 18 months to LOS or my second home PATTAYA.
Is it really that bad or is it just the pesimists who are posting?
time for them to send their own daughters to beach road and stay at home! maybe the police arrested all the good looking and healthy ladies?
yes, tiger. i've been posting about this for a year or more. the police don't bother much with the very old and unattractive. one can easily imagine the reasons - no doubt they brutalize the cute young ones ([CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), etc.). in any case after a solid year of severe police repression, there are as you say almost no girls left, and the few that are just the dregs.
all my favorite girls from the past are in prison - such is the way now in thailand. just like the good ole usa.
ElCubanito
03-15-07, 20:18
You could also try cubaDon't try Cuba. Look at the photo section. Quality is BAD BAD BAD and everything is more expensive than in the US (groceries and gasoline and food). Also, mongering in Cuba is highly ILLEGAL and with the Castro situation right now I dont think it would be a wise thing to do.
1) There are no stablished Clubs
2) Women dont go to the gym...hell, there are no gyms
3) Most women have children by the age of 22
4) Compared with the average hooker or nonpro, Cuban women are just bad in bed (my humble opinion from years of banging cuban women.) and they have a lousy attitude.
5) Again BAD BAD BAD quality in pussy.
Yes, I think Cuba is a lousy location. I've lived in the Country for about 22 years and I KNOW. This is not the PLACE to go.
Try: Brazil, PI, Republica Dominicana, Thailand.
Freeman 418
03-16-07, 15:59
I just got here, so can't post a lot.. got dinner, hit the shops, writing this, then will head down Walking Street.. met some fellow aussies in a cafe, but will go it solo.
There's a fat russian guy speaking loudly on a phone nearby as I write this.. have to say there's more than a few Russian honey-mooners and families here.. for the life of me, I can't see wtf the attraction is for them.. but anyway.. their life. I guess one in 3-4 "white foreigners" seems to be Russian.. will check more later.
Saw a large white dude in the street (probably russian), fighting with a Thai.. then walked off shouting.. the Thai would have kicked his @ss I'm sure.
There ARE still young girls here.. heaps, but spread out.. got a few "offers" when walking more in central/city Pattaya.. can't say there were many on beach road around 3-6pm however.. not many at all.. the hangout in front of the Plaza centre seems to have gone, there's a McDonalds there now, I'm sure that wasnt there last November. Tables out the front of the plaza are all owned by the fast food joints there now.
Will report back later.. haven't priced the situation fully yet.
Hey Guys,
Just been reading some of the posts, 20 year old bar girls only. 1000 baht short time! Russian hordes in walking street. Have I really been gone that long.
Maybe I should stay home and hump that fat ***** next door.
Just booked for early May, haven't been for 18 months to LOS or my second home PATTAYA.
Is it really that bad or is it just the pesimists who are posting?
Just been reading some of the posts, 20 year old bar girls only. 1000 baht short time! Russian hordes in walking street. Have I really been gone that long.
Maybe I should stay home and hump that fat ***** next door.First, nothin wrong with a 20 years lady.
Still younger ones there but not as much as before but looking around and they will turn up.
I wuz there last year and more Russkie than before but dunn care as they dunn bother me in places I go. Better if Russkie male with family then cant go out to compete with me girls.
And humping the fat ***is certainly cheaper than visit to Thailand but not as much fun.
Pirate1
I am planning a three week holiday.
I had in mind 4 days in Bangkok, 7 days Pattaya, 4 days Singapore and 4 days Indonesia.
I want to go for 90% sex, do you think this iterniary is okay or should I spend more time in Thailand as it is easier for mongering and choice.
The only place I have been to before is Singapore.
Thanks in advance for your views.
Don't try Cuba. Look at the photo section. Quality is BAD BAD BAD and everything is more expensive than in the US (groceries and gasoline and food). Also, mongering in Cuba is highly ILLEGAL and with the Castro situation right now I dont think it would be a wise thing to do.
1) There are no stablished Clubs
2) Women dont go to the gym...hell, there are no gyms
3) Most women have children by the age of 22
4) Compared with the average hooker or nonpro, Cuban women are just bad in bed (my humble opinion from years of banging cuban women.) and they have a lousy attitude.
5) Again BAD BAD BAD quality in pussy.
Yes, I think Cuba is a lousy location. I've lived in the Country for about 22 years and I KNOW. This is not the PLACE to go.
Try: Brazil, PI, Republica Dominicana, Thailand.
If it is true that you have been to Cuba, it looks like you want to keep that playground for yourself by posting misinformation as all you said is utter BS.
The only drawback of Cuba is the police hassling the girls frequently in certain areas, like their Thai counterparts do on Beach Road in Pattaya, apart from that Cuba is a great mongering destination.
Anyway, if you want to post a bit more of your BS about Cuba do it in the Cuba section of the forum.
Member #2041
03-16-07, 19:52
I am planning a three week holiday.
I had in mind 4 days in Bangkok, 7 days Pattaya, 4 days Singapore and 4 days Indonesia.
I want to go for 90% sex, do you think this iterniary is okay or should I spend more time in Thailand as it is easier for mongering and choice.
The only place I have been to before is Singapore.
Thanks in advance for your views.
Well personally, if sex was foremost on the agenda, I wouldn't bother with Singapore, as it will certainly be more costly than the other venues. Singapore has other benefits, however.
Now me personally, I could not stand 7 straight days in Pattaya, I can only take the place in 2-3 day doses. But, if all you want is cheap sex and lots of it, I guess there really isn't much better.
Might I suggest an excursion to Cambodia rather than Singapore?
Evil Penivel
03-16-07, 22:05
evil,
you need to get out of eden a bit more frequently and see the real thailand, or, at least, the real pattaya; if one day you dare to do so (i guess that would be a challenge for you), you will discover that there are 18-19 yo bg’s, bars closing later than the legal closing times and, more worrying, even cars driving above the speed limit – that might finish with your innocent view of the world, but at least next time you won’t make a fool of yourself by posting ridiculous statements.
there is one way to prove that i'm wrong - name a bar on soi 6 or elsewhere in pattaya that employs bgs under 20. you didn't do that. it's also ironic you consider soi 6 to be the "real" thailand or the "real pattaya." would you call soho the real england or the red light district the real holland or the reepersbahn the real germany? granted, all of pattaya is unreal in terms of the rest of thailand, but tens of thousands of thais who live in pattaya would be very insulted if you take soi 6 as the measure of realness of their city.
i am certainly aware the police in thailand have been lax in the past about enforcing certain rules. but there's a huge difference between speeding and employing ****d girls to work bars. and the thai police can certainly enforce laws when they want to. you'd be well advised, gladiator, not to deface any portraits of the king or images of the buddha.
in case you missed it, there is a big crackdown underway in pattaya:
crackdown link (http://www.pattayacitynews.net/news_02_03_50_2.htm). it began with a summons to a meeting that was mandatory for all bar owners.
a friend who owns a bar in patts says the crackdown this time round is different. the police, at the insistance of the national government, are determined to enforce the law that says the girls who work in bars must be at least 20 years old. the way my friend explains it (and its what a lot of resident farangs believe) is that the king placed certain conditions on granting support to the coup. one was the government finally do something about the worst excesses on the commercial sex scene. that includes particular attention to the age of the girls in p4p, at least in the high profile areas.
bangkok diplomats say the queen has taken personal interest in the matter. the backing from the very top is there, it's just how well it translates down the line. strictly enforcing the ban (and it is a law) on girls under 20 in bars isn't hard for thai police if they choose to do so. i doubt they (or many bar owners) are really fooled by fake ids. there's no farang barowner in pattaya who dares employ a girl under 20. very, very few of the thai bar owners will take the chance either. the risks are two big and rewards are small. why would they take the chance?
the thai police are checking and doing it seriously. there was a big raid on soi 6 on march 8, there have been follow-up inspections since then. the police can still collect a lot of tea money for other reasons even if they don't allow 18 and 19 year olds in the bars. it takes the heat off them while still collect the usual fees from bar owners to look the other way except regarding the age of the girls.
second factor is that many believe the top officials want to tear down soi 6, 7 and 8 and use the land for other purposes. they want to transform pattaya into a place that will be more attractive for russian and chinese family tourists. better to drive the bar owners out of business through strict enforcement of existing laws than pay compensation because the leases were broken.
but in any case, what does it really matter? isn't 20 young enough for you? walking street and some of the upscale places won't be affected at all because they haven't employed below-20 girls for a while, so there's plenty of opportunity for mongers even if the sleaziest joints disappear. is it really that important to get a bj on a sofa in front of everyone or to be able to finger a girl in public for the price of an ld?
but again, maybe i am wrong. prove it by naming a soi 6 bar that employs girls under 20. btw, how would you know she's 18, 19 or 20? because she tells you or because you look at her id?
evil
I am planning a three week holiday.
I had in mind 4 days in Bangkok, 7 days Pattaya, 4 days Singapore and 4 days Indonesia.
I want to go for 90% sex, do you think this iterniary is okay or should I spend more time in Thailand as it is easier for mongering and choice.
The only place I have been to before is Singapore.
Thanks in advance for your views.Been to all except Indo.
I dunn like 7 days in Pattaya, rather split it half/half with Bkk-more to do in Bkk.
I do like Singapore. Safest place I ever bin to for sex or for visit--better than home. Not 2 bad for cost if stick to geylang area houses and Indo pickups on streets.
Evil,
There is no need to prove anything, only a complete fool like yourself could believe that there are no 18-19 yo girls in beer bars or go-go’s in Pattaya just because it is ‘illegal’.
Evil Penivel
03-17-07, 00:12
Evil,
There is no need to prove anything, only a complete fool like yourself could believe that there are no 18-19 yo girls in beer bars or go-go’s in Pattaya just because it is ‘illegal’.
Don't prove it then. Just inform everyone. You said fresh 18-19 year olds who do two-hour S/T for 500B are are an alternative to the Hell Club. I'm just asking where you find such girls. Why do you get hostile over that?
I spent nearly the whole afternoon on Soi 6 on Jan. 18 and certainly didn't see any 18-19 year olds. I visited many, many gogo bars and beer bars in Pattaya betwen Jan. 14 and Jan. 19 and again, I didn't see any girls that age at any of the places I was in. The bar owners I know in Pattaya agree than is in fact the case. Maybe before you could find 18-19 year olds, but not today.
But if you know the names of such bars, why not list them for everyone's benefit? Or is it a sworn secret among groups of guys interested in young girls? Or maybe it is the same bar where you meet Elvis, Bigfoot and Santa Claus for a drink?
Evil
Evil,
We already know that you spent a few nights in Pattaya in January, you announced it long before arriving and you are still talking about it…
There are currently dozens of 18-19 yo girls available at any given time in Pattaya’s bars & go-go’s as any experienced Pattaya monger already knows, but you obviously didn’t notice this because you wasted most of your time every single night in a tourist trap like Hell, as you reported to all of us:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=554950&postcount=1225
You have been going to Thailand for many years and you are still on newbie’s mode, stuck in tourist traps like Eden/Hell and comparing what you get here with what you get back home in the US, I guess that’s the reason why Eden/Hell looks so cheap to you: you are still thinking in your currency, in dollars.
As for your question ‘what’s the name of those bars with 18-19 yo girls?’, the only possible reply is: ‘there are no stupid questions, just stupid people’.
Hello Gladiator,
seems that your ISG name perfectly fits to you.
For this kind of talk we ISG Thailand Treads readers prefer to enjoy such entertaining discussions concentrated in the fight club.
As for the subject, I personally don't take care of the age, but for the looks. For us white westeners the Thai age is still difficult to judge and estimations are usually heavily influenced by body style. Naturally the good looks go somehow along with the age, speak more beautiful turns out to be more younger in average, however the bandwidth is wide enough that it must not be necesserily a girl below 20.
For the folks who really want to have a girl between 18 and 20 you could definitely be a bit more specific instead of teasing EVIL and make general statements ' plenty of'.
Not judging the genaral dispute on the subject, but for a 3rd party audiance Evil is at least more specific.
regards
Brain666
well i don’t know much about ****d girl (not my thing) but i do know this girl (look my at my only post in the thai pic section) she claimed to be 24 when i bf here, and i didn’t see any reason to not believe here.
that was in november last year.
dancing in the show and acting like a pro at the pole.
she talk about the bars she heaved work at (famous gogo bars in nana plaza) in the end she told me, (after i bf her 2 days) she is not honest to me, and is so sorry about that she is only 18, and from what i could understand she work at gogo's sins she been 16 years old.
how is that possible i ask her?
she told me, big money and she could show me a lot of **** girls (if i like? ) in almost any gogo's in nana or cowboy, nothing strange about that: o
big money to the mamasan (fix customers) and here (mostly jap who is paying big bucks for that)
check id boys, don’t believe what they say.
and even if you do that you’re not sure, maybe fake id who knows.
and why should it be any different in pattaya?
bu that’s myself thinking, and i am just a newbe.
take care of your self; we are walking atms for everybody.
t h
Old Thai Hand
03-17-07, 04:27
while it's true that he is being vague and not giving specifics, i have to side with gladiator on this one. anyone who honestly thinks that there are no **** girls in the bars is being naiive.
i have not been to pattaya for awhile, but am in contact with a student (and gogo dancer) who i met over a year ago when she was 18 and working in carousel a gogo. since i paid for her tuition to the local college, i saw her documentation and know her true age. she told me last year when i met her, that she was really 18, but had a fake id, which is easy to obtain. she is now 19 and still working at carousel. she has a best friend, who actually started working at carousel when she was 17 and just turned 18.
one of the bartenders as cocktail on soi cowboy was an 18 y.o. first-year student at the nearby university when i met her (and bf-ed her) last year and is now 19 and still working there.
i was at cowboy 2 last night and although none of the dancers was under 20, our waitress was 17 and available.
i am hardly an active monger on here like some. still with no effort, i have been able to name 4 specific examples of **** girls in bars. if i was out every night, i'm sure i could find loads.
Member #2041
03-17-07, 04:29
If I was out every night, I'm sure I could find loads. I'm sure it would be much more likely that you would LOSE several loads - LOL!
Kilgore Trout #2
03-17-07, 04:58
I am planning my first trip to Pattaya. I should be arriving sometime late next month and staying for 2 weeks. Is this monsoon season? I've heard this is the "bad wheather" season? If so, please tell me what that means and if I will still be able to get the girl action (which is really why I'm going), but also if I will have a chance to get some sun or enjoy the beach.
Also, I've read on the forums here that 10% of the prescriptions sold in LOS are fake, Could anyone reccomend a Pattaya pharmacy that has real viagra and xanax.
Thanks in advanced fellas. Any other input for a first-timer would be greatly appreciated.
KT2
Freeman 418
03-17-07, 07:24
Left things until too late, and set out to hit the town around 10pm.. many girls already seemed to have been procured by this time and were walking the streets or tucked in bed by around 10pm.
Else, the seemed shortage (compared to my November visit) might have been due to the Jomtien Music Festival.. I have no intention to go there.. I hate crowds.
First stop, Walking Street.. discos were going by this time. Hammer seems to have been upgraded.
- Went to Club Boesche, which has been talked about. Not bad.. I liked it. About 8 girls in the main stage area, and a few clothed cage dancers. Girls topless but wearing panties. Great selection of shoes, for the foot fetishists. Other hostess girls walking around in chinese/asian dress.
Would have ST'd 2 on stage.. one hostess that took to me, she was OK.. nice personality and good English, named Am. Nice tongue stud too.. got her a drink, but didn't want to stop at the first one (my common weakness).
- Coyotees: quite large, one main stage area which rotates, about 12 girls on there, some completely naked, some topless and some in hawaiian skirts. Some of the girls were really good/sexy dancers.. would easily have ST'd about 4 of them. Staff not pushy.. I would go again.
- Back to Soi 13/4 ?? (Street off "Boys town"/gay-land), heard about The Classroom, not much inside at all, about 4 girls on a stage, and another 4 spread out.. admittedly this was 12:30am, and most had been bf'd, however, not very impressive.. there was one i liked however, only because she looked like a work colleage I've been wanted to hump all year. Will probably take her tonight. Almost all girls from Isaan areas. standard rates: 500bf, 1000ST, 2000LT
A few Russian hookers walking around Walking Street.. not a lot however, like under 6 that I could see.
Yes, there are cops around.. a cop car was going up and down the street randomly picking people. Another was on a bike in the back streets (near arab land), and I saw another walking around interviewing girls.. to be honest I didn't see the little 16-17yo looking (though prolly around 18-19yo in real) ones I saw last nov. which were everywhere around WS.
At 1am, chances of finding a decent girl are largely diminished. Again, could be cause of the music festival, could be cause of the cops.. who knows.
By the way, this seems to be the standard around Pattaya go-gos'.. 500bf, 1000st, 2000lt.. but i will check soi 6 today.
age is up dramatically, quality is down dramatically, and supply is also contracting. as evil penevial reports, the authorities in pattaya are taking the next step towards killing our fun - cracking down on the bars. the first being removing freelancers. these moves have nothing to do with any policy goal other than ending our fun. social engineering is accomplished gradually by the forces of social control, but it is inexorable.
it may still be possible to find an 18 year old in pattaya, but it has become incredibly rare. heck one can search all night for even a really good looking 25 year old who isn't charging some silly go-go price. the average age is more like 30 in the more centrally located bars, and even higher on the less-prosperous periphery like boucow and naklea. as far as '****d' - i believe it is not permitted to discuss them. i myself have never had the terrible misfortune of running across one in thailand in all the years i have been here.
old thai hand, i fear you are terribly out of date if you have not been to pattaya in years. i've lived there most of the last several years, and more recently visit frequently. the place is a shadow of its former self.
these things are easy to accomplish if the authorities wish to kill the scene.
Old Thai Hand
03-17-07, 12:35
o****
i was actually last in patts, last may, not years ago.
but, i'm not claiming to be any sort of expert on pattaya (who the fuck would want to be an expert on such a shithole?). i was merely pointing out that i was still personally acquainted with a 19 y.o. working at a centrally-located gogo, who also has a close friend who is even younger working in the same place. i know there is a crackdown. so, i'm sure there are comparatively few 19 y.o. around. i was just saying that there are some, if you look.
i do live in bangkok within a stone's throw of cowboy, not to mention soi 22 with lots of beer bars, where there are girls who are under 20, or who have just turned 20. there is a shoddy beer bar right near the corner of soi 22 and sukhumvit across from flyers that has among its motley crew of older ladies and katoeys, a couple of 19/20 y.o. i shagged one 19 y.o. there, about a year ago when she was 18. she disappeared for awhile because she had a baby with a farang. but, now still only 19, she's back at the bar.
in the vip bar at nana on the 3rd floor, where the girls dance in school uniforms, there are also younger girls, who scramble whenever the police show up. but, there are more than just a few and were still there last month when i paid a visit.
Retired Army
03-17-07, 15:54
Should be hot and fairly dry. Thailand has four distinct seasons: Hot, really hot, miserably hot and unbearable.
If you want to get the real perscriptions go to a large reputable pharmacy, i.e., in a Robinson's or Central Department store, or a TOP's supermarket.
I didn't know you could get girls in Pattaya...
I am planning my first trip to Pattaya. I should be arriving sometime late next month and staying for 2 weeks. Is this monsoon season? I've heard this is the "bad wheather" season? If so, please tell me what that means and if I will still be able to get the girl action (which is really why I'm going), but also if I will have a chance to get some sun or enjoy the beach.
Also, I've read on the forums here that 10% of the prescriptions sold in LOS are fake, Could anyone reccomend a Pattaya pharmacy that has real viagra and xanax.
Thanks in advanced fellas. Any other input for a first-timer would be greatly appreciated.
KT2
Retired Army
03-17-07, 15:57
o****
but, i'm not claiming to be any sort of expert on pattaya (who the fuck would want to be an expert on such a shithole?).
only the turds... and usually the sinkers, not the floaters.
Been to all except Indo.
I dunn like 7 days in Pattaya, rather split it half/half with Bkk-more to do in Bkk.
I do like Singapore. Safest place I ever bin to for sex or for visit--better than home. Not 2 bad for cost if stick to geylang area houses and Indo pickups on streets.Thanks for the suggestion, I will start with Bangkok first, if Pattaya becomes boring I'll spend the rest of my time in Bangkok.
But, I'm not claiming to be any sort of expert on Pattaya (Who the fuck would want to be an expert on such a shithole?).
Presumably any man who enjoys sex, as it is the worlds greatest center of such activity, Old Thai Hand. Or at least has been in recent decades.
Hello Gladiator,
seems that your ISG name perfectly fits to you.
Brain666
I am afraid I can’t say the same of yours…
FreeWolf66
03-18-07, 01:44
Hey Guys,
Just been reading some of the posts, 20 year old bar girls only. 1000 baht short time! Russian hordes in walking street. Have I really been gone that long.
Maybe I should stay home and hump that fat ***** next door.
Just booked for early May, haven't been for 18 months to LOS or my second home PATTAYA.
Is it really that bad or is it just the pesimists who are posting?I really don't think the pessimest are right. I was there last October. No they are not 10s but some have great skills and look young. I had a great time on soi six (500 bt st and 250 bar; less than 1000bt for drink plus xtras)
freewolf66
FreeWolf66
03-18-07, 01:52
[quote=tors ham]well i don’t know much about ****d girl (not my thing) but i do know this girl (look my at my only post in the thai pic section) she claimed to be 24 when i bf here, and i didn’t see any reason to not believe here.
that was in november last year.
dancing in the show and acting like a pro at the pole.
she talk about the bars she heaved work at (famous gogo bars in nana plaza) in the end she told me, (after i bf her 2 days) she is not honest to me, and is so sorry about that she is only 18, and from what i could understand she work at gogo's sins she been 16 years old.
how is that possible i ask her?
i bet a lot of girls say they are younger. how can you tell? i was with a beaut in bkk and after she told me she was 35, i couldn't believe it. she looked in her early 20's.
freewolf66
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hi freewolf66,
it appears that you inadverently forgot to correctly place the quote tags in this report. usually i can fix this sort of thing before it's displayed, but i don't have a clue as to how you intended this report to appear.
the quote tags are simple to use, all you have to do is look for them in the text. anything that you want to appear in quotes must start with "[quote]" and end with "[/quote ]". it's that simple.
in addition, you can preview your report before it's posted, so it's easy to check if you got it right before it's displayed in the forum.
thanks,
jackson
Bill Miami
03-18-07, 02:10
but, i'm not claiming to be any sort of expert on pattaya (who the fuck would want to be an expert on such a shithole?).
i love pattaya. it is 8 am on a sunday morning and i am sitting on my balcony over looking the sea with the great ocean air refreshing me this fine morning. i am watching the speed boats take tourist out to the island for the day. they are also having some kind of small sale boats races, which is pretty cool. i have a really good view this morning, no clouds in the sky and i can see all the way down to the sea port where the large container ships dock.
my live in maid is cooking breakfast (her salary is 6,000 baht a month and all she can eat) which i think i will have on the balcony today. my driver (his salary is 8,000 a month) is taking home the two lovely ladies i had accompany me home from one of walking streets go-go bars last night at a cost of less than 4,000 for the night. they were really into each other which always adds a little bit of excitement to the evening. i especially liked it when they thought the pool table was a good place to spread out and get started. it nice when you don’t have to put in a dvd for the porn, but have you own live action.
when the driver gets back we are going to the golf course. you would think playing five times a week i could break 90, but what can i say, i am not very good. since i paid the life time membership fee of 130,000 baht, the green fees are only a 100 baht, and 600 baht for the caddy, including the tip. i tip a little more than most, since after nine holes i always like her to relieve the frustration caused by my excellent golf game.
after the golf game my driver will pick me up and take me back to the condo for a quick shower. watching these sale boats races i think i will take the catamaran out this afternoon. for the evening i will probably head back to walking street tonight, unless i am too tried. in which case i will call the twins over for a fun. and next week i think i will start over with the same boring routine, but i am also going to get in a little scuba diving, i did not go this week. i wonder if the twins want to try that? of course they would have to keep the air regulator in their mouths for an extended period, which for them would be very difficult.
what can i say, one man’s shit-hole is another mans heaven!
Old Thai Hand
03-18-07, 03:41
What can I say, one man’s shit-hole is another mans heaven!
There are much nicer places in Thailand to sit and look at the sea, play the iincredibly boring game of golf and meet a better class of woman.
IMHO, anyone living in LOS and still going down to gogo bars every day to pick up skanks is nothing more than a rahter sad form of newbie.
But, to each his own.
I'm not looking for a war, as I'm sure many on here would envy your lifestyle.
BUt, I wouldn't retire to Pattaya if you paid me.
Old Thai hand,
I respect your opinion. I too am not looking for a war, but if there is anywhere else in the world,,,world, where you can play the great golf courses and enjoy the fellowship of wonderful folks, both ladies and gents, from all over the world at the bargin prices that the courses around Pattaya offer, please bring them on. I am also into the lady scene in a small way which only adds to the alure of this destination.
Cactus J
There are much nicer places in Thailand to sit and look at the sea, play the iincredibly boring game of golf and meet a better class of woman.
IMHO, anyone living in LOS and still going down to gogo bars every day to pick up skanks is nothing more than a rahter sad form of newbie.
But, to each his own.
I'm not looking for a war, as I'm sure many on here would envy your lifestyle.
BUt, I wouldn't retire to Pattaya if you paid me.
So where would you retire to then?
Freeman 418
03-18-07, 12:40
I'm not looking for a war, as I'm sure many on here would envy your lifestyle.
BUt, I wouldn't retire to Pattaya if you paid me.
Yeah I wouldn't knock back his lifestyle.. and there's worse places to retire than Pattaya.. (strange comment for a contributor of this forum).
Retired Army
03-18-07, 12:48
So where would you retire to then?
Hua Hin or Chiang Mai offer a hell of a lot more than Pattaya. I have several friends who retired to Pattaya, bought places and now regret their decision. They all describe the place as a sewer full of sex tourists, skanks and Euro trash.
Retired Army
03-18-07, 12:52
...there's worse places to retire than Pattaya...
Iraq and Afghanistan come to mind...
Freeman 418
03-18-07, 13:00
- hot around midday, swim at 4pm, went to Soi 6 around 5pm.. I think the best time to see Soi 6 is around 4-6pm, since girls are starting, it's still daylight, etc.
- played some pool in one of the less-initimidating bars on soi 6 (pook bar), there's 2 little pool bars on there which are quite nice to relax. pook bar has a mini go-go thing going upstairs, though I didn't go up, I was having fun playing pool with one of the chatty Isaan bar girls.
- took a walk up Soi 8, and down Soi 7.. bar-mongers paradise. Again, best time is around 5-6pm.. the bars are not crowded and every bar you walk past has girls welcoming you etc. nice experience. Didn't stop on any here though. Got taxi back down Beach Road to hotel area, and then (legit) massage.
- Out 9pm, went to Walking Street:
- All girls: before walking street around soi pattayaland 2, the outside reception girl was hot, but inside just OK. I was the only (maybe first? but already 9:30-10pm by that time) customer. Chatted with 2, one cute white issaan-er was a good dancer, seriously considered ST her. But didn't want to stop at first one.
- Peppermint gogo: This had heaps of guys and girls inside.. it was just crowded and a bit chaotic. There were about 15+ girls on the main stage, bikinis, some topless.. range 5-7 material.. 2 table top dancers w/o underwear (usual deal), and a couple of naked girls in the cages on the side. One decent dancer girl chatted with me a bit, but I wasnt so interested. Finished my soda, put a 50 baht into her armband and left.
- Happy agogo: main stage area, about 10 girls, most topless, all looked a bit numbed out. Mostly touristy types (some asian etc.) around the bar area drinking and watching girls. Nothing much impressive here.
- Stopped at one of the bars around the same lane where Happy agogo is.. and had a few drinks with a charming little bar-girl. Good English, nice personality.. uni student look. Ended up BF'ing her (300bt). prices 1000st, 1500lt. Took her out, and had a few more drinks at Bamboo Bar, which was quite crowded as usual. Got back to the hotel around 2am or later, showered and down to business. What a go-er.. she was pretty wild, but unfortunately also a biter.. got more than a few lovebites from it. When things got heated and fck time, she was about to jump on with no condom.. I told her wtf?? I'll get a condom, she said it would be ok (none).. didn't like that at all. Fcked her with a condom, in the end it got pretty wild and it slipped off, but around when i pulled out anyway. Ended up finishing off with HJ.
Showered, and went to sleep, woke around 9am, got a nice bbbj (enhanced with tongue stud), and slep more until 1pm (Man these girls can sleep.. she would have slept until 3pm if I let her). I was starving by this time and needed food badly.. so got her up, showered, and ate.. she went home later.. I'd consider getting her again, except that she put me out of action for basically 12 hours, and the no condom episode spooked me a bit.
more later..
Old Thai Hand
03-18-07, 15:02
So where would you retire to then?
RA is spot on about Hua Hin. I hate golf. But, if I was an enthusiast, Hua Hin has the best courses, and more of them than anywhere else in Thailand.
The beaches are far better than Pattaya, especially just south of town around Khao Takiab and Pranburi. Housing is cheaper and of better quality. Above all, the place is safe, the people of better quality than the Thais and especially Farang one meets in Pattaya and it's simply a more relaxed place.
Yes, Hua Hin is crap when compared to Pattaya when it comes to P4P. But, I consider that a plus, not a minus. Since I don't care about P4P, it's not an issue for me.
Pattaya is the worst example of unchecked, rampant development and attracts the worst sort of human garbage. Read the endless stream of murder, assault, robbery and general mayhem in the Pattaya News. What intelligent, educated person possessing any class at all would want to settle down in this sesspool?
In contrast, Hua Hin still has great people and a small Thai town feel to it, but still has all the mod-cons to make life good. Since the King lives here and it's the preferred destination of many holidaying Bangkok Thais, it will always have this quality in stark contrast to Pattaya.
But, if one is really desparate for Pattaya, there is a shuttle service to and from Patts to Hua Hin by boat, plane or if you can stand the 4 hour trip, van.
The Traveler
03-18-07, 15:41
Hua Hin or Chiang Mai offer a hell of a lot more than Pattaya. I have several friends who retired to Pattaya, bought places and now regret their decision. They all describe the place as a sewer full of sex tourists, skanks and Euro trash.
There are much nicer places in Thailand to sit and look at the sea, play the iincredibly boring game of golf and meet a better class of woman.
IMHO, anyone living in LOS and still going down to gogo bars every day to pick up skanks is nothing more than a rahter sad form of newbie.
OTH and Retired Army,
I tend to agree and disagree at the same time, of course each place has its very own pros and cons.
Being located in the mountains, you can't directly compare Chiang Mai to Pattaya, that's like comparing aplles and oranges.
Hua Hin on the other hand changed a lot during the past years. Last time I had been there I was absolutely shocked. It has been a nice calm place in the past but now is just another Pattaya, only much more expensive than the original.
Bangkok as an metroplolis offers a wide range of entertainment and of course a wide range of female companions but that doesn't mean that such things don't also exist at other places.
I am very astonished to read than an "experienced monger" like OTH, who always told us that not all Thai women are for sale now tries to tell us, that all women in Pattaya are P4P. I doubt that he would dare to say anything like that in any public office, hospital etc. With this kind of opnion he will be a "persona non grata" very fast.
I am even more astonished to hear something like that from a person who choosed to live near Soi Cowboy. I think there is more behind his choice of location than just being close to BTS. Aren't there any nicer places to live in Bangkok than the Asoke area ?
I had many regulars who worked in malls, restaurants, offices and even hospitals. Nothing different from Bangkok and I wouldn't call them lower class like OTH seems to do.
Every place is what you make out of it and if Pattaya only consists of bars and "skanks" for you guys, than you should rather question your limited view.
P.S. OTH, you should distance yourself from that stupid "class talk". We have discussed it ad nauseum. I judge people by their character and actions and not by their social background. I rather adore women who were born poor and manage their life than some spoilt bitchy chicks who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth.
Member #2041
03-18-07, 17:13
Iraq and Afghanistan come to mind...
Let's not forget Darfur.
Old Thai Hand
03-18-07, 17:36
Trav
moved to fight club
Terry Terrier
03-18-07, 19:04
RA is spot on about Hua Hin. I hate golf. But, if I was an enthusiast, Hua Hin has the best courses, and more of them than anywhere else in Thailand.
Seeing that the various merits of popular Thai resorts are being discussed, a minor correction on the golf:
There are around double the number of courses within an hour of Pattaya centre in comparison to Hua Hin's surrounding area. Course quality generally tends to be much-of-a-muchness when comparing both areas, but (as any golfer knows) a course can be in great condition one month and like a farmer's field the next for a variety of reasons. Green fees tend to be much cheaper in Patts, especially weekdays. Some of the green fee packages in Hua Hin are geared up for mug tourists who don't realise that golf in Thailand is cheaper than Florida, the Algarve, etc.
Member #2041
03-18-07, 19:34
Seeing that the various merits of popular Thai resorts are being discussed, a minor correction on the golf:
There are around double the number of courses within an hour of Pattaya centre in comparison to Hua Hin's surrounding area. Course quality generally tends to be much-of-a-muchness when comparing both areas, but (as any golfer knows) a course can be in great condition one month and like a farmer's field the next for a variety of reasons. Green fees tend to be much cheaper in Patts, especially weekdays. Some of the green fee packages in Hua Hin are geared up for mug tourists who don't realise that golf in Thailand is cheaper than Florida, the Algarve, etc.
Other than the fact that it involves using a ball and stick and lots of different holes, why are we discussing which area has better golf courses?
FreeWolf66
03-18-07, 21:46
Isn't this the internation SEX guide? Isn't mongering a big part of it? I admit Pattaya is a lowly destination but p4p is cheap. Thats what I want and thats what I get. Sometimes you have to look hard for gems and sometimes I go to bed alone. But I don't go there for the beach, the views or the beer. If I wanted ambience I'd go elsewhere.
Freewolf66
Pattaya is the worst example of unchecked, rampant development and attracts the worst sort of human garbage. Read the endless stream of murder, assault, robbery and general mayhem in the Pattaya News. What intelligent, educated person possessing any class at all would want to settle down in this sesspool?
As a former 14 year resident who "escaped" to the wilds of Isan more than 6 years ago, I couldn't have described Pattaya any better.
If only the mainly corrupt city administration and police would realise this and act upon it, there would be a chance for Pattaya. But sadly they are only in it for the money, to make as much as they can in as short a time as posible.
Terry Terrier
03-19-07, 00:03
Other than the fact that it involves using a ball and stick and lots of different holes, why are we discussing which area has better golf courses?
Because some sextourists like to play a little golf? Because some golfers like to do a little sextourism?
Or was the discussion about which Thai resort is the best in which to see out one's retirement years?
Old Thai Hand
03-19-07, 00:54
Because some sextourists like to play a little golf? Because some golfers like to do a little sextourism?
Or was the discussion about which Thai resort is the best in which to see out one's retirement years?
Yes. I think that was the discussion. BTW, I bow to your surperior knowledge of golf courses. I was repeating what I had often been told about Hua Hin as being the premiere location. But, I'm not a golfer and think it's one of the stupidest games ever invented for badly-dressed men to play.
Member #2041
03-19-07, 02:11
Yes. I think that was the discussion. BTW, I bow to your surperior knowledge of golf courses. I was repeating what I had often been told about Hua Hin as being the premiere location. But, I'm not a golfer and think it's one of the stupidest games ever invented for badly-dressed men to play.
Not just badly dressed men, but also well dressed men, dykes of all persuasions, and even now a very fine looking Asian-American teenage girl. It doesn't matter WHO plays it, it is invariably a stupid game - although I'm sure Tiger Woods doesn't mind, as the game has given him hundreds of millions of dollars and a very hot Swedish wife.
Narrow minded statements expressing Golf as a stupid game is a tad unjust and a bit sweeping don't you think?
ALL sports are fantastic. I don't necessarily like and certainly don't enjoy all sports, some I find plain boring (personally speaking) but the essence of trying to improve oneself and partake in competition is wholesome and plain enjoyable.
Golf is a beautiful game.
Pattaya is THE best location for playing in S.E Asia. Not only does one get to play on exceptional championship quality courses, at cheap prices with superb facilities and fun caddies, but the apres golf is also very appealing. It is a golfers paradise.
There is a bar on Soi Chaiyapoom (between Soi Bukaow and Third Rd) called the Bunker Bar which organises competitions and excursions to the various courses within a 50KM radius (20+ courses) on a weekly basis.
They play 3 courses a week, Monday, Wednesday and Friday and travel is provided by the regular expats who play every week. Just turn up at 9a.m on the aforementioned days. You can jump in the car with one of these guys, pay your fee's which are at a reduced rate through the bar and all is good.
Mick is the owner of the bar, and there are generally 15-20 playing each time. All the lads that play are P4P enthusiasts and a cracking bunch. Bunker also does the best English breakfast I have had in Pattaya. If you get to play Emerald etc. or any courses out that way, then the lads always stop in a place called Bangchan which is about half an hour our of Pattaya and is a long street of Soi 6 type short time bars. The girls there are very welcoming. Infact while I was there at the Jigsaw Bar, they have a "sofa" which is B200 for a blow job. The boys were lining up, as were the girls.
The usual place for after golf drinks is back at The Buffalo Bar on 3rd Rd (got some great girls in here!) and then it's off to Soi 6,7,8 or Walking Street to discuss the days round.
Golf - a beautiful game.
Who has been to the bars next to the lake outside Pattaya? How about the one that has a pool out the back and you sit in cabana style huts round the pool. Immediately there are half a dozen girls sitting next to you, and if you give them B100 they strip off and go for a dip. Throw in further coins and they duck dive down to retrieve. Lovely girls, all willing and able. Great views.
Only golfers generally go here or expats - not tourists!
Golf - a beautiful game.
SidTheSexist
03-20-07, 12:14
Who has been to the bars next to the lake outside Pattaya? How about the one that has a pool out the back and you sit in cabana style huts round the pool. Immediately there are half a dozen girls sitting next to you, and if you give them B100 they strip off and go for a dip. Throw in further coins and they duck dive down to retrieve. Lovely girls, all willing and able. Great views.Only golfers generally go here or expats - not tourists!Ive been out the back there a few times to the big resevoir. The last time we went, we drove out in a friends truck and spent a few hours in one of the lakeside bars. Beers were, suprisingly, not too cheap but the girls in the bar were all very nice, old school friendly, girls. The bunch of guys in there, and quite a few more than the average beer bar in Pattaya would have at 3pm, were nice blokes; as you say, expats and old hands. Sorry, cant remember the name of the bar.
Sid
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03-20-07, 17:21
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the mercure has recently started to charge a joiner fee. this information was obtined from a reliable source from another forum. they wrote the manager personally and he replied that it was a corporate policy that was just implimented. i trust this info to be accurate, but it is second hand. many guests are emailing the manager and cancelling reservations in order to hopefully have the policy reconsidered.
continue to enjoy the good life.hardly a surprise - mercure (regency park), novotel lotus and siam all treat your (even legit, checking in at the same time) visitors as utter crap in bangkok. then they stick some child prostitution articles in your face in the inroom magazine, more or less presuming they don't allow visitors because of this age issue. i have no interest in **** girls/boys, and don't want a banner asking for a donation for this cause on my pillowtop at night.
no better elsewhere either, my credit card was once charged 120 eur for a curtain that fell down in an european mercure, never mind i merely tried to pull it up.
i won't stay at any accor properties ever again.
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03-20-07, 20:14
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03-20-07, 21:39
The mental part of the game is IS one of the skills I was referring to, included in the 98% which has nothing to do with athleticism. It is probably the most important of all the skills, and it alone might make up 90% of the game. Which has NOTHING to do with it being a sport. Any more than Chess is a sport, or Debating is a sport, or Jeopardy is a sport, or understanding nuclear physics is a sport. That Stephen Hawking is a heck of an athlete by your definition.
Sports are, by definition, athletic contests. Golf is a contest of learned technical skills, and strategizing skills, and the power of concentration, not a sport. BTW, neither is auto racing - even though the best racers do have to keep in physical shape to maintain their concentration while sitting in a hot car going 200 MPH for several hours.
Hey guys! Does anyone mind if we use this space to discuss our beloved Pattaya?
Just wondering.
I returned very reluctantly to the bleak and frozen tundra of the Midwestern U.S.A. recently after a month long mongering binge in tropical Pattaya. This was only my second trip to the LOS but I planned it well and the plan paid dividends.
Part one of the plan was to learn a just enough bits of the Thai language to better enhance my logistics and mongering skills. I found two web sites in particular which helped me a great deal in this regard: Learning Thai the Easy Way -- http://www.learningthai.com/ -- and Thai Language.com -- http://www.thai-language.com/. Both sites contain a wealth of useful phrases as well as audio clips of Thai speakers correctly pronouncing them. With my word processor, I created a lengthy table list of every phrase I thought I might possibly use during my trip. On the right side of the page I typed in the phrase in English, and on the left side in transliterated Thai. Then I practiced speaking each phrase over and over again covering one side or the other of the page with a slip of paper until I began to remember about 95% of them from English to Thai and from Thai to English. This took about one hour of my free time per day for approximately 3 weeks.
When finished, I knew how to compliment Thai girls at least 50 different ways, e.g., “You’re cute,” “You’re beautiful,” “I like you,” “I love you,” “I want you,” “You have beautiful eyes,” “You have a beautiful smile,” “You have a beautiful ass,” “You’re sexy,” “I’m sex crazed,” etc., etc. I knew how to tell them what I wanted: “What is your name?” “Can I kiss you?” “Can I hug you?” “Can I hold your hand?” “Do you like me?” “Can you come to meet me?” “Can you bring a friend?” “Will you come to my hotel?” “How old are you?” “I want a blowjob,” etc., etc., and perhaps most importantly – “May I have your phone number please?” a simple little phrase which I used early and often.
I learned how to ask and to express simple directions, which, for example, helped me immediately upon my arrival when my taxi driver from BKK airport, who could speak not a single word of English, had no idea where my hotel in Pattaya was located. “Turn left,” “turn right,” “go straight,” and “stop here,” I was able to say in fractured Thai, and in no time at all I found myself right in front of the place. I learned Thai numbers from one to a million; how to order my favorite food and drinks; how to bargain in the shops and, of course, with the girls; how to say “yes” and “no”; how to greet people; how to express and tell time; and how to ask specifically for sexual favors just the way I like them.
It worked! Yes, my Thai was strained and often butchered; yes, there were plenty of times when I was not understood, (I heard mai cow jai a lot); and yes, I often used the wrong phrase for what I meant to say, much to my embarrassment and the vast amusement of my hosts, but I enjoyed a tremendous advantage this time over what I knew during my last trip, and as a result was rewarded over and over again by those people who really counted – the ladies. I had more fun with them then I could have possibly imagined. They loved it.
If any of you fellow mongers would like a copy of my phrase list, just PM me with your email address, and I’ll be happy to send it to you.
Next …. Part two of the plan.
Regards,
Daddy
One of my most memorable moments of Pattaya just this last week was an evening on Soi 6.
I was in either Goodfellas or Dirty Dens and I happened upon the most interesting of ladies.
She came and sat next to me and immediately said, "I shy" and then proceeded to dis-enrobe herself completely. I commented upon her augmented breasts and got a bit tactile on her ass etc. She then proceeded to grasp one of her mammories and squirt milk at me. Charming.
She then did it again and squirted lactate all over the mirror behind my head and then licked it off.
She offered herself LT at 1500 (bit over the odds) but went on to say that it would be possible to fuck her pussy, her ass, and even said I could fuck her ears if I wanted. What a girl. Just the sort you'd want to take home and introduce to your mother.
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it happened to my friend. 48 hrs after a nice session over there, he got the drip. i was fortunate not to get it. he told me he peed really good afterwards. the pharmacist told him to double up on the dose.
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Who has been to the bars next to the lake outside Pattaya? How about the one that has a pool out the back and you sit in cabana style huts round the pool. Immediately there are half a dozen girls sitting next to you, and if you give them B100 they strip off and go for a dip. Throw in further coins and they duck dive down to retrieve. Lovely girls, all willing and able. Great views.
Only golfers generally go here or expats - not tourists!
Golf - a beautiful game.
Can you expand on this, ie: locatoin and the name.
BB
Phantomtiger2
03-22-07, 17:39
One of my most memorable moments of Pattaya just this last week was an evening on Soi 6.
it would be possible to fuck her pussy, her ass, and even said I could fuck her ears if I wanted. What a girl. Just the sort you'd want to take home and introduce to your mother.
A gal that takes it up the ass is one thing but up the ears????--not sure I would want to take her to meet mom if her ears look like an asshole--ha ha
PT
Vinny_Viagra
03-22-07, 21:15
I returned very reluctantly to the bleak and frozen tundra of the Midwestern U.S.A. recently after a month long mongering binge in tropical Pattaya. This was only my second trip to the LOS but I planned it well and the plan paid dividends.
Part one of the plan was to learn a just enough bits of the Thai language to better enhance my logistics and mongering skills. I found two web sites in particular which helped me a great deal in this regard: Learning Thai the Easy Way -- http://www.learningthai.com/ -- and Thai Language.com -- http://www.thai-language.com/. Both sites contain a wealth of useful phrases as well as audio clips of Thai speakers correctly pronouncing them. With my word processor, I created a lengthy table list of every phrase I thought I might possibly use during my trip. On the right side of the page I typed in the phrase in English, and on the left side in transliterated Thai. Then I practiced speaking each phrase over and over again covering one side or the other of the page with a slip of paper until I began to remember about 95% of them from English to Thai and from Thai to English. This took about one hour of my free time per day for approximately 3 weeks.
When finished, I knew how to compliment Thai girls at least 50 different ways, e.g., “You’re cute,” “You’re beautiful,” “I like you,” “I love you,” “I want you,” “You have beautiful eyes,” “You have a beautiful smile,” “You have a beautiful ass,” “You’re sexy,” “I’m sex crazed,” etc., etc. I knew how to tell them what I wanted: “What is your name?” “Can I kiss you?” “Can I hug you?” “Can I hold your hand?” “Do you like me?” “Can you come to meet me?” “Can you bring a friend?” “Will you come to my hotel?” “How old are you?” “I want a blowjob,” etc., etc., and perhaps most importantly – “May I have your phone number please?” a simple little phrase which I used early and often.
I learned how to ask and to express simple directions, which, for example, helped me immediately upon my arrival when my taxi driver from BKK airport, who could speak not a single word of English, had no idea where my hotel in Pattaya was located. “Turn left,” “turn right,” “go straight,” and “stop here,” I was able to say in fractured Thai, and in no time at all I found myself right in front of the place. I learned Thai numbers from one to a million; how to order my favorite food and drinks; how to bargain in the shops and, of course, with the girls; how to say “yes” and “no”; how to greet people; how to express and tell time; and how to ask specifically for sexual favors just the way I like them.
It worked! Yes, my Thai was strained and often butchered; yes, there were plenty of times when I was not understood, (I heard mai cow jai a lot); and yes, I often used the wrong phrase for what I meant to say, much to my embarrassment and the vast amusement of my hosts, but I enjoyed a tremendous advantage this time over what I knew during my last trip, and as a result was rewarded over and over again by those people who really counted – the ladies. I had more fun with them then I could have possibly imagined. They loved it.
If any of you fellow mongers would like a copy of my phrase list, just PM me with your email address, and I’ll be happy to send it to you.
Next …. Part two of the plan.
Regards,
DaddyI lived in Thailand for a while and decide to go to AUA to learn to speak Thai. Our teacher was a bit over weight but had a beautiful thai face and a lovely smile. She was young and fun. She sent us out one day for homework to a thai restaurant to order food.
With great zeal I entered a restaurant at the Navy golf course and order some food and a glass of milk or so I thought. I knew nam = water and it seem like every liquid had the same word "nam" as part of it. Nam yen. Cold water. Nam cha. Tea etc. So I order "nam nom". The waitress has a surprised look on her face. She called the other waitress to help out. Kor nam nom I repeated. I want milk. As it turned out, and many red faces later I had order breast milk.
After we all had a good laugh and today its a fond memory. The Thais were so forgiving.
Berty Boy
I'm not entirely sure. I'm pretty sure that it is out on Soi Siam up past the Siam Country Club (Golf course). The best thing to do would be to chat to an expat and they will have more chance of directing you in the right way. It's pretty close to an out of town bar/go-go called 'Rainbow' which is a very dark venue and also has plenty of pussy on the go. Again, it's off the beaten track and thus footfall is not massive. Therefore when the expats get in there, they get some special attention. The expats are happy for these places to remain rather clandestine. A nice alternative away from the melee of Pattaya city.
Traveler1234
03-22-07, 23:56
Part one of the plan was to learn a just enough bits of the Thai language to better enhance my logistics and mongering skills. I found two web sites in particular which helped me a great deal in this regard: Learning Thai the Easy Way -- http://www.learningthai.com/ -- and Thai Language.com -- http://www.thai-language.com/. Both sites contain a wealth of useful phrases as well as audio clips of Thai speakers correctly pronouncing them. With my word processor, I created a lengthy table list of every phrase I thought I might possibly use during my trip.
Next …. Part two of the plan.
Regards,
Daddy
With permission from Daddy, posted his great literally piece on the Report of distinction thread. Now the only thing missing is part two :)
IMO the go-go's which are quality at the moment are:
Went to Boesche the other night and that was lively. Great girls in the Jacuzzi and a few beauties on stage.
New Living Dolls 1 has had a shower put in recently and a few other additions to overall decor. Nice girls in there too. Free drink on entry.
My fave though is WHAT'S UP AGO-GO which is on the same street as Angelwitch. This place is great at the moment. There is one particular girl who is the shower showgirl and she is unbelievable. She usually has her hair in braided pig-tails and has big silicon tits and a great great body. Massive nipples too. She can really move. She has a tattoo on her right shoulder blade. Check her out. She is my favorite in Pattaya at the moment. Enchanting. The girls on the other raised platforms that lick each other and whip each other with the foam tube things that make a big noise are very playful and fun too. It's got a very good atmosphere at the moment.
Enjoy.
Have you ever tried Balls Massage?
If not try this one in Pattaya.
www.dream-teen.net
Something you will not forget ever.
I’m not the kind of monger who likes to drink a lot in bars and stay up late into the wee hours of the morning. I love sex with pretty young girls, but don’t particularly like paying their steep bar fines, or buying scores of lady drinks, or paying long time fees for the their company. I prefer daytime action when I’m fresh and believe that waking up in the morning alone is good. Some might call me a cheap Charlie, and that’s OK with me, but I prefer to think of myself more as a frugal Freddie. I’m certainly not against spending plenty of cash as necessary on the lovely ladies of my choice, but I’m also on a holiday budget in the LOS for an entire month which does not allow throwing my money around wildly.
Thus, with all of this in mind, and in proper context, I now come to share with you part two of my plan:
A cell phone is an absolute monger’s necessity in the LOS. I learned that lesson well the last time when I had none. The cell phone is your revolving and constantly renewable ticket to the girls, both by day and night. So, the plan, on my first day in Pattaya, was to take the advice of Terry Terrier and other savvy sex-perts here and head straight over to Tucom on South Pattaya Road between Second Rd. and Soi Buakhow to buy a basic reliable cell phone. I purchased a brand new Motorola model C113 with all the simple features I needed, but no bells and whistles, for 1300b, together with a Sim card containing my new number and 50 min of talk time for another 300b. I now had the monger’s most valuable tool which would open countless doors to fun and frolic in Pattaya.
With cell phone firmly in hand, it was time to acquire my new collection of girls. From my meager past experience in Pattaya, I knew that the younger and prettier females can usually be found in the go-go bars rather than the beer bars, so I concentrated my mongering activities in the go-go’s, and upon the prettiest of the girls within. Surprisingly, the drinks are generally not more expensive there, especially during happy hours; the entertainment is far superior, (often featuring total nudity action as opposed to zero entertainment in the beer bars); the selection of girls and flirting opportunities with them is much greater; and, if you simply smile, make eye contact with them, chat them up a bit, and buy them a drink, they will happily allow you to fondle and caress their tender nubile young bodies (discretely of course) to your hearts content while sitting docilely on your lap listening with amusement to all the compliments and sexual importations whispered gently into their lovely ears in your newly learned Thai.
After several delightful moments of this, the girl will have to go back to the stage and dance again, thereby giving you the opportunity to flirt with as many other girls as you like. After the set, the little puppy will come skipping right back to your lap and eventually ask you to bar fine her. This is the point when you put the meat of the plan into action. I would say something like: “Oh, I won’t be taking a girl tonight, because I have to work,” or “meet some friends,” or something innocuous like that. “But I really like you a lot sweetheart, you’re beautiful, and I would like to be with you soon.” “Can I have your phone number?” (kor ber toe ra sap koon dai mai) “Could you meet me in the daytime?” “Will you come to my hotel?” The answer was usually “yes” to each question and, almost invariably, I would walk out of the bar with a smile on my face and the lady’s phone number on my Sim card. (Caution: Do not let the Mammasan find out about what you’ve done as she will definitely not approve and the girl could find herself in some trouble)
In this manner, after one week, I acquired the phone numbers of ten succulent young beauties, which turned out to be a bit more than I could handle during my month long vacation. One or two would often call me in the morning just to ask for the privilege of taking care of me that day, and I would just as often have to tell them “no, not today, honey,” because my dance card was full. I love this place.
Next …. the fruits of the plan … some specifics.
Regards,
Daddy
I've been to Pattaya and Bangkok once and loved both places. Especially Pattaya. I'm now planning a trip that will include both plus Kuala Lumpur and Phnom Penh. Am trying to sort out time allocations and would be interested in any feedback from members who have experienced KL and PP. I'm interested in a lot of the regular tourist stuff. Culture. Sights. Etc in addition to the P4P scene. Any and all coments gratefully received. Post here or pm me please.
M P Lurker
03-24-07, 05:11
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Part one of the plan was to learn a just enough bits of the Thai language to better enhance my logistics and mongering skills. I found two web sites in particular which helped me a great deal in this regard: Learning Thai the Easy Way -- http://www.learningthai.com/ -- and Thai Language.com -- http://www.thai-language.com/. Both sites contain a wealth of useful phrases as well as audio clips of Thai speakers correctly pronouncing them. With my word processor, I created a lengthy table list of every phrase I thought I might possibly use during my trip. On the right side of the page I typed in the phrase in English, and on the left side in transliterated Thai. Then I practiced speaking each phrase over and over again covering one side or the other of the page with a slip of paper until I began to remember about 95% of them from English to Thai and from Thai to English. This took about one hour of my free time per day for approximately 3 weeks.
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I have just had a quick look at these sites.
The first one is excellent because phrases can be played easily with Thai speakers but at a slow pace. The only thing wrong in this site was the attempts at English transliteration were a bit iffy.
The second site is much more for an in depth understanding of Thai sounds and words and has consistent English transliteration.
Not sure if either site actaully explains how to make non-English sounds.
I'll be sending Daddy07 a few thoughts and corrections to his work which is quite valuable.
Evetually I aim to provide something to explain how to make Thai sounds different to English sounds to give those interested a better chance to copy the native Thai speakers on the web sites.
Its difficult for Farangs to hear Thai sounds correctly when not used to them.
Back in the good old days, before the Beach was closed, I had a drawer full of little slips of paper containing girls' numbers. I never called any of them - why bother? There were always more girls, and the fun was to be surprised, not call and know what you're getting (not to mention letting her know you thought of her when she was not present, a true sign of weakness).
Sadly, in the current drought numbers may be necessary, but I still don't like it.
(Mick Licker) I'll be sending Daddy07 a few thoughts and corrections to his work which is quite valuable.
Evetually I aim to provide something to explain how to make Thai sounds different to English sounds to give those interested a better chance to copy the native Thai speakers on the web sites.
Its difficult for Farangs to hear Thai sounds correctly when not used to them.
I'm looking forward to this, Mick, and want to thank you in advance. The response to my list was overwhelming which proves that there are a lot of us mongers who are eager to learn how to talk to the girls.
Of course, my list was never intended for publication and is probably riddled with mistakes, so I'm sure that many of us would appreciate your corrections. I also invite others who are fluent in thai to add their contributions to the list and eventually it will become as comprehensive as possible. There were, for example, several phrases which I wanted to learn, but were just too damn hard to pronounce because I was so unfamiliar with the sounds.
Regards,
Daddy
Old Thai Hand
03-24-07, 14:36
Daddy
I think it is admirable of you to want to learn to speak Thai to make you visit a better experience. Too many visitors come here without making any attempt to find out anything about the people, culture and language.
I am curious though, and this is a serious question and not meant in any other way...What exactly is it that you want to talk to these girls about?
Daddy
I think it is admirable of you to want to learn to speak Thai to make you visit a better experience. Too many visitors come here without making any attempt to find out anything about the people, culture and language.
I am curious though, and this is a serious question and not meant in any other way...What exactly is it that you want to talk to these girls about?
That’s a fair question, OTH. Of course, in the beginning, I want to flatter them to the max; tell them how cute they are; how great they smell; how smooth is their skin; how well they dance, etc, etc. In short, I want to make friends with the prettiest of them in as short a time as possible. Next, I want to talk to them about sex; how desirable and hot they are; what I imagine they are like in the sack; what they like; what I like and want; how I want it, etc, etc. After that, I want to get down to the business of meeting them outside of the bar, when, where, how long, how much, and other such necessary details.
Once all of that labor of love is accomplished, and I’ve had my way with the little sweetheart, (assuming it was all satisfactory), then I’d like to talk to her about everything else – her life, her family, her friends, her likes and dislikes, living in Thailand, people, problems, joys, sorrows, religion, politics, and everything in-between. They may be bar girls, but many of them are very smart and fun to be around. I want a list of the very best pretty girl friends I can call for companionship day or night whenever I feel like it, and I need to know how to talk to them.
I want to learn the Thai language because I’m planning on applying for at retirement visa within the next year or so. I want to live in Thailand for a while before I die, and if I’m going to live there, I want to be able to communicate with my hosts. Right now, my activities are restricted to bar girls – prostitutes – because I don’t have the time to devote to regular Thai girls, but I intend to graduate to the regular girls once I’m settled in. I’ll probably visit that dating site you mentioned a few days ago and start from there – flattering, making friends, having sex, and adding each one to my list of sweet young lovelies – something I could never get away with in the USA. And who knows? … Maybe I’ll find a real gem and settle down with her. Anything is possible with the beautiful women in the LOS, while almost nothing is possible here.
Hope that answers your question adequately, OTH. Now, I hope you will join with Mick Licker and make some valuable contributions to the list.
Regards,
Daddy
I've been to Pattaya and Bangkok once and loved both places. Especially Pattaya. I'm now planning a trip that will include both plus Kuala Lumpur and Phnom Penh. Am trying to sort out time allocations and would be interested in any feedback from members who have experienced KL and PP. I'm interested in a lot of the regular tourist stuff. Culture. Sights. Etc in addition to the P4P scene. Any and all coments gratefully received. Post here or pm me please.I've never been to Phnom Penh but I found KL very disappointing. The scene there is tame to non existent compared to LOS. There are a few massage parlours where you can get anything you want but the ones I tried were generally quite sordid. Maybe PP is a better bet. Either way, I wouldn't bother with KL. And culture? Nothing much to see there except the twin Petrobras towers. My advice: spend the extra time in Pattaya.
Old Thai Hand
03-25-07, 02:38
Daddy
Thanks.
Good answer. You're being quite thorough. However, you may find after several stories that all sound very similar, that you're quickly getting bored with the 'hopes and dreams and life' aspect of the conversation. Many of them are not that interesting to talk to, just nice to look at and be with. That, btw applies to many regular TGs as well, unless they're reasonably educated.
But, all the seduction part of it is certainly going to make your adventures more enjoyable because it will make you stand out from the usual knuckle-draggers who these girls meet on a daily basis. They are still women, afterall and will respond very positively to a kind word in their own language.
There is a Thai phrase book about the expressions of love that may be of use. I'll see if I can find out the title. There's also another, I'll look up that talks about the importance of "heart" in the Thai language. These are key to doing what you want to do.
One Tree Hill
03-25-07, 06:07
What is it with all the Brits that are scamming on the streets of Pattaya. On my last trip 2 weekends ago, I ran into to 2 such types. One said that his rucksack had been "nicked" and while he was waiting for the embassy to open on Monday he asked for a small "loan" of 100 baht.
He was perhaps 40ish and not well dressed.
The other was an early 30ish guy who was trying some scam regarding a hotel/condo etc. Soliciting people on the streets. I didnt speak with him long enough to find out.
Have these guys just run out of cash? On the run form interpole? Whats the deal...anyone else experience this in Pats?
I have been researching I am planning to go to Pattaya in late July. I was wondering where is a good place to stay. After looking on the internet I cam across the penthouse hotel looks like a cool place. I was wondering if anyone had experience there and is it a good place to stay and if it isn't. Where should I stay? Thanx can't wait to go.
Fast Eddie 48
03-25-07, 06:44
I've been to Pattaya and Bangkok once and loved both places. Especially Pattaya. I'm now planning a trip that will include both plus Kuala Lumpur and Phnom Penh. Am trying to sort out time allocations and would be interested in any feedback from members who have experienced KL and PP. I'm interested in a lot of the regular tourist stuff. Culture. Sights. Etc in addition to the P4P scene. Any and all coments gratefully received. Post here or pm me please.To xdentx,
I have been to most country in asia and I think only Southern China is better than pattaya for mongering, I been to Malayasia a few time if you don't know KL too well and go to massage arond chinatown area cost is much higher than Pattaya. I think you should give Malayasia a try is a nice country to visit great food and friendly people .
Phnom Penh is a good place to visit and for mongering but that it p4p is the cheapest in asia unless you want to visit Ankor Wat there is not much to see in this third world country you are better off staying in Thailand
Just my IMHO
Fast Eddie 48
Correspondent
03-25-07, 12:38
I've been to Pattaya and Bangkok once and loved both places. Especially Pattaya. I'm now planning a trip that will include both plus Kuala Lumpur and Phnom Penh. Am trying to sort out time allocations and would be interested in any feedback from members who have experienced KL and PP. I'm interested in a lot of the regular tourist stuff. Culture. Sights. Etc in addition to the P4P scene. Any and all coments gratefully received. Post here or pm me please.KL and PP are very easily accessed from Bangkok with Air Asia.
You could easily do both and could stay in either place for 1-2 nights, just to get a taste for what its like there. I have been to both many times.
KL has a lot to offer the tourist in the city centre and surrounding areas.
PP has less tourist options and for a single guy the bars and the girls are the main attraction. KL mongering is pricey and more time-consuming, PP is very cheap and quite convenient (although nothing like Pattaya and never will be).
The best information is most probably found by reading the PP and KL boards and make your own judgement based on what people post about each place. You shouldn't be disappointed with whatever you choose anyway.
Old Thai Hand
03-25-07, 13:46
What is it with all the Brits that are scamming on the streets of Pattaya. On my last trip 2 weekends ago, I ran into to 2 such types. One said that his rucksack had been "nicked" and while he was waiting for the embassy to open on Monday he asked for a small "loan" of 100 baht.
He was perhaps 40ish and not well dressed.
The other was an early 30ish guy who was trying some scam regarding a hotel/condo etc. Soliciting people on the streets. I didnt speak with him long enough to find out.
Have these guys just run out of cash? On the run form interpole? Whats the deal...anyone else experience this in Pats?This is very common in general in Thailand. The big story this week in the news was a Dutch guy who makes 30,000 baht/month begging in Bangkok. There was a Khao San backpacker type panhandling at Prompong BTS a couple of months ago, until I got police to move his sorry ass.
I've been hit on numerous times over the years, especially in front of World Trade/Central World Plaza, a favorite of Farang (particularly Brit) panhandlers.
Member #3200
03-25-07, 16:45
For a city the size of Bangkok, I saw less than 10 on my trip there 3 months ago which is excellent compared 2 how many are here in Toronto Canada because our lefty commie mayor & the bleeding heart liberals that live here won't do anything about it. Consider yourselves lucky because the 1s here are very aggressive & intimidating-if we had the laws there where the police have the power 2 do something, we could get rid of the these pieces of shit
I wish they would take my suggestion & round them up & make them into dog food (hahahaha) or send them on a 1 way trip 2 the arctic
I will be putting this in the Pattaya Hotels section too, but just as a quick ref for info, I stopped at the Residence Garden which is next to the big intersection in South Pattaya that leads to Big Buddha or Jomtien (up the hill) or round to the 3rd road. I would recommend this hotel. You can get it for 9, 000 baht a week, and this gets you a big room with King size bed and great linen. TV and aircon plus electronic safe in the bedroom. You get a separate living area with a kitchenette. Fully stocked fridge full of booze, another TV, sofa and chairs plus private balcony. Bathroom is also very good although water pressure is low. Girl friendly. Great pool. It's a little noisy as the road in front is quite busy. Friendly staff. My electronic keycard kept fucking up, but that was quite a minor thing, though I am very laid back. I imagine it would of pissed off some people. Food was shit. Room service was expensive. Laundry was expensive. There is a laundrette right across the road at half the price. Also try Pha's massage next door to the laundrette for an excellent traditional oil massage. Very relaxing. Just up the hill on the right you can get full spit roast chickens for B100 which are nice to take back to hotel and munch on.
All in all I would recommend. Very easy to pick up Baht Bus from outside and drops off 2-3 mins later at Soi Diamond etc on the 2nd road side. Goes all the way up 2nd road, so easy access for all the sexy Soi's in Pattaya. All Baht buses running in opposite direction go to Jomtien and again go past hotel. Easy life.
However. Speaking to expats regularly during my golfing days, they all seemed to point at Areca Lodge as the pick in Pattaya for excellent quality and slightly cheaper. However, you only get a large room, not a suite. Soi Diana location is good though.
How much does it cost to get to Pattaya from the airport? First time going to Thailand and don't have any thai currency, is there places to exchanges currency in the airport? Please help.
LukeSkyWanker
03-26-07, 07:14
Paid a visit yesterday to the above establishment total disaster! 1600 baht for supposedly 90mins, picked girl 105 from Chiang Mai had a 10 min bath, 10 mins on the lilo with no erotic fondling she just rubbed her brilo pad around my torso, this was still enough to arouse an erection and she promptly said 1000 baht to fuck! eventually she came down to 500 which was also out of order as fs is supposed to be included. Paid the 500 as I was then thinking with my second brain but regretted it after as she was completely rushing me, I was out of Sabailand after 45mins. On the way out the guy who took me in asked did I have have a good time I told him it was terrible and I wouldn't be coming again he said something to the other Thai guys and they all laughed! the conclusion I have drawn is that they don't need our patronage.
May the force be with you.
My flight out of BKK is around 7am.
To make my flight I will need to leave Pattaya around 2:30am or 3am.
Is a taxi hard to get that time of night and what is the cost?
Old Thai Hand
03-26-07, 10:49
Of course people run out of money in places like Thailand. But it is not the part of an Anglophobic visitor with racist hang ups like Old Thai Hand to set the cops on them.
Report the Darkie tailors who are Pattaya's main nuisance if you must report somone. Most of them have no visas in any event.
Farangs down on their luck because of their lack of street sense are more deserving of chump change than the bands of organized Cambodian beggars, who in turn are more deserving than common prostitutes. The noblest people in Pattaya are the laborers, male and female, who toil for a day for what Old Thai Hand would spend on condoms in a day, whenever he can get it up.
Beach Road continues to tumble and ladyboys are sprouting up everywhere. I have just come from Soi 6, which has 6' plus katoeys and I hear awful things about Walking Street.
Jomtien is best.
mmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder who you really are?
The Traveler
03-26-07, 22:53
How much does it cost to get to Pattaya from the airport? First time going to Thailand and don't have any thai currency, is there places to exchanges currency in the airport? Please help.
Audi,
there are exchange booths at the airport, no need to worry.
All offer the same exchange rate, therefore no need to compare and to waste your time. Choose the one with the least customers.
If you want to take a cab from the airport to Pattaya, move to the departure level and grab a cab there. You will be able to negotiate 1.000 - 1.200 baht for the trip, depending on your skills.
The Traveler
03-26-07, 22:55
I have been researching I am planning to go to Pattaya in late July. I was wondering where is a good place to stay. After looking on the internet I cam across the penthouse hotel looks like a cool place. I was wondering if anyone had experience there and is it a good place to stay and if it isn't. Where should I stay? Thanx can't wait to go.
Tuna Az,
the Penthouse is a dirty shithole full of bugs and roaches.
RTFF to find numerous reports/comments/discussions about it.
Evil Penivel
03-26-07, 23:04
How much does it cost to get to Pattaya from the airport? First time going to Thailand and don't have any thai currency, is there places to exchanges currency in the airport? Please help.
Confucious said, "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime."
Audi-
Do a search of the Thailand section using the words "Pattaya" and "taxi." You'll find many, many posts that answer your question.
Evil
I have had two same bad expenriences in Sabailand and one of the other parlors nearby, on this same road. Saibai...something.
My girl explained that fucking was OK, but blowjob was subject to a tip. "Not 300, 500 baht !", she said, excpecting a 1000 B tip for a service which is normally included and advertised as such.
Tuna Az,
the Penthouse is a dirty shithole full of bugs and roaches.
RTFF to find numerous reports/comments/discussions about it.
I will second what The Traveler said. Spent 1 night there and could not get out as fast as I would have liked to.
Tuna Az,
the Penthouse is a dirty shithole full of bugs and roaches.
RTFF to find numerous reports/comments/discussions about it.I've never stayed at the Penthouse but there is Gogo Bar underneath the Hotel, I forget the name. Last year when I just stepped in to see what going on they seated me and charged me something like 140 Bhat for beer and then I noticed a couple Cockroaches on the table right near my glass. They were under the table I guess hoping to take a sip. I moved my table but then the bar maid wanted me to buy another overpriced drink.
I noticed another board had reviews of hotels and the Penthouse had the reviews removed. The comment left was that the owner/manager claimed libel comments.
Fivebahtwiz
03-27-07, 05:51
mr. hoffy,
check out of your pattaya hotel the day before, get bus to so-you-wanna-boom airport, check bags at luggage holders (100bht/bag), take taxi to nana or cowboy or eden or [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) or ?, enjoy your final pop in los, take taxi back to airport, pick up bags, get on plane, sleep. worked for me.
SidTheSexist
03-27-07, 06:15
I stopped at the Residence Garden which is next to the big intersection in South Pattaya that leads to Big Buddha or Jomtien (up the hill) or round to the 3rd road. I would recommend this hotel. You can get it for 9, 000 baht a week
However, Speaking to expats regularly during my golfing days, they all seemed to point at Areca Lodge as the pick in Pattaya for excellent quality and slightly cheaper. However, you only get a large room, not a suite. Soi Diana location is good though.I dont think you'll get into the Areca Lodge for less than 9000bht/week. The cheapest room they advertise is about 1400bht unless they do weekly or monthly deals. Although, it does appear to be very nice and also centrally located.
Sid
Fast Eddie 48
03-27-07, 06:22
I have had two same bad expenriences in Sabailand and one of the other parlors nearby, on this same road. Saibai...something.
My girl explained that fucking was OK, but blowjob was subject to a tip. "Not 300, 500 baht !", she said, excpecting a 1000 B tip for a service which is normally included and advertised as such.
to erik
I been to there over 10 times never have any girl demand tip , I would of told her I will tip if service is good if you she don't like it she can leave and I will take another girl and will not still for this BS and will complain to the manager.
fast eddie 48
There are some very beautiful young women in Pattaya and I assigned myself the task of finding them. One of my favorite Thai restaurants is called the Marine, located outside on a narrow Soi connected to Walking Street, where I can enjoy a large plate of delicious food with rice for about 100b while watching all the people walk by. It seems to me that females outnumber males by about three to one in Pattaya, and the number of pretty young things going to and fro is amazing. They are everywhere. How anyone can describe Pattaya as a “shit hole” is beyond me. The hotels are just as good as those in Bangkok at half the price; the women are just as fine at half the cost; the food is good; shopping is good; transportation is convenient and cheap; people are friendly; and the beaches are beautiful and inviting. Though not perfect, it’s certainly a monger’s paradise.
Of the 10 phone numbers I gathered from the lovely young things, four I never called because I just didn’t get around to them, two I enjoyed only once, and four turned out to be well worth repeating. One of those four in particular, a 23 year old spinner and solid 8 on the 1/10 scale, proved to be a real jewel who happily provided me with a GFE I’ll never forget during the last two weeks of my visit. I’m still in contact with her. This little girl recently graduated from college and is working in the go-go bar to make money to earn her doctorate degree in only two more years. She came to my hotel every afternoon at 1:00 p.m., for 13 days in a row to “take care of Daddy.” After a mind blowing two hour fuck session, we would walk down to the beach, eat fried rice and prawns, and lounge around together until about 5:00 p.m. Then it was back to my room for a shower and another fantastic lovemaking session until she had to leave at about 7:00 p.m. to get ready for work. By the time she was done with me I had nothing left for any nighttime action. She literally sucked me dry.
I gave this little sweetheart 1000b for “short time” each day, plus 100b for motorbike taxi. She accepted it happily every time and was the sweetest most loving little creature I’ve ever known. She couldn’t keep her hands off me, constantly clinging to my arm, kissing, caressing, and fondling my body. We had a lot of fun together. Some other guy twenty years younger than me was bar fining her every night for ten nights, paying her 3000b for long time, (until 9 or 10:00 a.m.), and spending loads of extra money on her as well. We would laugh about it together in my room. I knew all about him but he didn’t know about me. She gladly took his money, and treated him well I’m sure, but no amount of money could buy her respect. THESE GIRLS DO NOT RESPECT BIG SPENDERS WHO GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY ASK FOR. They actually will respect you much more when you say “No” to them. She told me that herself, and I believe her. I walked her to the bank one day where I saw her deposit a wad of 1000b bills that would choke a horse, about 40,000b, which she said she had received for only one weeks work. I told her that I look forward to a day very soon when Daddy can do the Doctor.
Next … more delicious tropical fruit.
Regards,
Daddy
FreeWolf66
03-27-07, 20:17
I've never stayed at the Penthouse but there is Gogo Bar underneath the Hotel, I forget the name. Last year when I just stepped in to see what going on they seated me and charged me something like 140 Bhat for beer and then I noticed a couple Cockroaches on the table right near my glass. They were under the table I guess hoping to take a sip. I moved my table but then the bar maid wanted me to buy another overpriced drink.
I noticed another board had reviews of hotels and the Penthouse had the reviews removed. The comment left was that the owner/manager claimed libel comments.I hate the penthouse hotel. Someone before claimed they had charged for water from the mini bar that wasn't used. So I checked the mini bar on arrival. A water was missing. I contacted the desk but on check out I was charged for a water and condom. I argued the point and showed them water from my luggage and a bag of condoms. They relented. Also they charge an extra ten percent in the dining room; I asked why and they said it was because it was charged to my room. I ate breakfast the next morning and paid cash; again the service charge. There were other charges and I finally gave up and paid. I'll never go back. I have recieved emails from them and left comments and there responses were very insulting. Never will stay there again.
Freewolf66
FreeWolf66
03-27-07, 20:20
Audi,
there are exchange booths at the airport, no need to worry.
All offer the same exchange rate, therefore no need to compare and to waste your time. Choose the one with the least customers.
If you want to take a cab from the airport to Pattaya, move to the departure level and grab a cab there. You will be able to negotiate 1.000 - 1.200 baht for the trip, depending on your skills.Best to go outside and grab a meter cab. Tell the cabbie to turn the meter on.
Freewolf66
hoffy - driving time to BKK airport is about 1.5 hours, add 1.5 to the departure to be safe and you can leave as late as 4am (farang time, not THAI TIME, however)
3 is perhaps a better bet to account for "unexpected things" like accidents or construction. There MANY taxi "stands" along 2nd and Beach (mostly 2nd) that will get you there for 800+100+60 tolls (800 up front). Just make sure you tell them it's "SAAM MOHNG NAH-LEE-GHA" or "SAAM MOHNG TEE" (both mean 3am - one is in the thai time system (tee) the other is "general 24 hour clock" (nahligha). Depending on airline, you don't really need to get there before the COUNTER opens - they won't do your check in anyway.
EVERYBODY says "Penthouse sucks the big one" and it's not the type of BJ you would enjoy. There are a VERY FEW ATTRACTIONS there not avail elsewhere - like the swing chair. BUT - Not worth the effort IMHO (OK, "not so humble" then - been there, done that, squished a few 6 legged "visitors")
Daddy - where did you find these "good ones"? just curious to know
I've never stayed at the Penthouse but there is Gogo Bar underneath the Hotel, I forget the name. Last year when I just stepped in to see what going on they seated me and charged me something like 140 Bhat for beer and then I noticed a couple Cockroaches on the table right near my glass. They were under the table I guess hoping to take a sip. I moved my table but then the bar maid wanted me to buy another overpriced drink.
I noticed another board had reviews of hotels and the Penthouse had the reviews removed. The comment left was that the owner/manager claimed libel comments.
I checked Penthouse out last year and DID NOT like the vibe. I did take a girl out from the club attached to it and it was my one DISASTER from Pattaya. The mama at the club shortchanged the girl I was going with and she cried and complained the whole way (and tried to manipulate me with her croc tears). I will not go back.
Daddy - where did you find these "good ones"? just curious to know
They can all be found in the Go-Go bars of Pattaya. :D
Freeman 418
03-28-07, 16:04
Nice post.. I agree 100%, and it took me 3 trips to come to the same conclusion. I used to tip really well, and give in to everything, but it eventually sank in that this equates to weakness in the Thai mind, and I now drive hard bargains, and get more respect.
However, I'm curious about one thing, you mention this girl keeps coming back to you each day, and receives 1100 etc., when she also screws younger guys for 3000 at night, so what is the attraction there?? What's the incentive to visit you daily for 1100 and also give all the GFE stuff ??
I'm not at all meaning to be offensive here, but am just interested in understanding this scenario more..
I gave this little sweetheart 1000b for “short time” each day, plus 100b for motorbike taxi. She accepted it happily every time and was the sweetest most loving little creature I’ve ever known. She couldn’t keep her hands off me, constantly clinging to my arm, kissing, caressing, and fondling my body. We had a lot of fun together. Some other guy twenty years younger than me was bar fining her every night for ten nights, paying her 3000b for long time, (until 9 or 10:00 a.m.), and spending loads of extra money on her as well. We would laugh about it together in my room. I knew all about him but he didn’t know about me. She gladly took his money, and treated him well I’m sure, but no amount of money could buy her respect. THESE GIRLS DO NOT RESPECT BIG SPENDERS WHO GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY ASK FOR. They actually will respect you much more when you say “No” to them. She told me that herself, and I believe her. I walked her to the bank one day where I saw her deposit a wad of 1000b bills that would choke a horse, about 40,000b, which she said she had received for only one weeks work. I told her that I look forward to a day very soon when Daddy can do the Doctor.
I'm curious about one thing, you mention this girl keeps coming back to you each day, and receives 1100 etc., when she also screws younger guys for 3000 at night, so what is the attraction there?? What's the incentive to visit you daily for 1100 and also give all the GFE stuff ??
Well... as far as I can tell, there is only one explanation -- She genuinely likes me. Either that, or she's the finest actress in Thailand. Like I said, we had a lot of fun together, a lot of laughs, a lot of pleasant conversation, a lot of tender loving care going both ways. There are lots of young girls in Pattaya who just happen to like old guys like me, and I'm not going to argue with that. Maybe it's because we appreciate them more, are much less demanding on them, and treat them better. They like money but money isn't everything to them.
Regards,
Daddy
Member #2041
03-28-07, 16:39
Boy I wish I ran the Buffalo concession in Daddy07's neighborhood. I might be planning my retirement about now.
I have 12 days until my buddies and I depart. We are all going crazy waiting. I have been next to useless lately and cannot think about anything but leaving. I think this may be my tenth trip. Once upon a time, I was on the road to being a successful and productive human being. Now, all I am is a Thailand junkie... Pattaya, what have you done to me? You're ruining my life - and I love it!
11 days, 22 hours, 4 minutes...
J Ride
Last fall, during my first trip to the LOS, I met and enjoyed the frequent companionship of an absolutely gorgeous 23 year old stunner – a perfect 10 in my eyes -- whom I described in this forum as “beautiful and unforgettable.” She had been in Pattaya only one month when I found her. She gave me a fantastic GFE then. I’ve been obsessed with this girl ever since, and still am. We corresponded by email right up until two weeks before this last trip when she suddenly stopped contacting me. Nevertheless, I could hardly wait to see her again. Well, I did, and she is still beautiful and unforgettable, but sadly has hardened considerably in only four short months. She taught me a valuable lesson about bar girls.
She came to see me at my hotel on my first day there, and was all smiles, hugs and kisses. God, she’s pretty, I thought. I’m a lucky SOB. She walked with me to the grocery store, and stopped along the way to look at outfits. Without asking me, she picked one out and expected me to pay for it. I did. Then she said she had to go help her brother move into an apartment. We made a date to meet that night; I would pay her bar fine; we would go have dinner and start making up for lost time. This was going to be wonderful, I thought.
She didn’t show up that night. First she called and said she would be late. Later, her friend called and said she couldn’t make it. My night was wasted and I was crushed. But she called me the next day and said she was sorry. So I bar fined her the next night and we had a good time. The sex was lousy, but we had a good time. So what, I thought. Just being with her is worth it. She’s gorgeous. So the next day I negotiated a deal with her to be with me for one week @ 14,000b inclusive of bar fines. I fronted her 4200b and took her to her bar where she used it to pay her bar fine for a week. Back to my room we went. Again, the sex was lousy. She had become a starfish. I was still crazy about her.
We had breakfast together the next day. At 1:00 p.m., she said she needed to go back to her room. She would come back at 7:00 p.m., she said. She was an hour and a half late that night. Again, the sex was terrible. The next morning she wanted to go to her room at 9:00 a.m. That night she was two hours late and there was no sex at all. The next morning we went to Big C for breakfast. Without asking me, she had her hair braded with some colorful threads and expected me to pay the 600b cost. I did. And the sex later that night was terrible. I finally asked her if she liked sex. “Nit noy,” she replied. Well, that was the last straw for me. I told her that this just wasn’t working out, gave her 3000b, and said the deal was off. She was pissed off for a few minutes, but later smiled, took the cash, and we parted friends. We’re still friends. I’m still smitten and obsessed with her. She’s still beautiful and unforgettable – a perfect 10 in my eyes – and I’ll never fall in love with a bar girl again.
Not long afterward, I met another perfect 10 – a show girl at a go-go bar. “I’m from Chaing Mai,” she told me later. I don’t believe I have ever seen a girl so pretty. She has a fashion model face, lovely dark eyes, and flawless complexion, snow white skin, perfect little spinner body, perky well shaped tits, beautiful legs, hard belly and sweet little ass. She performs in a lesbian show completely nude while another beautiful girl licks her pussy on stage. The word erotic hardly begins describes her sultry performance. This one I have to have, I thought. So I bought her a drink and asked her to go with me. “I can only go short time,” she explained. “Ok,” I replied, as short time was all I wanted anyway. Her bar fine was 1000b. I paid it gladly, thinking that opportunities like this come only once in a lifetime. I just wanted to eat her beautiful pussy, and if that was all I got from her, I knew it would be well worth it to me.
Out she came in her street clothes and off we went to my hotel. She practically dragged me to the baht bus. “What’s the hurry,” I asked her. “There are only four of us show girls tonight, and I have to get back to the bar,” she explained. “Oh, no,” I thought. She took a quick shower in my room and was already laying nude on my bed waiting for me when I got out of the shower.
“I like oral sex,” I told her in Thai. “I want to lick your pussy.” “Oh, Ok,” she chirped. “I like that.” So down I went on her. At first, she just lay there quietly looking up at the ceiling registering no reaction at all as I lapped away at her honey box. “Shit,” I thought. She’s going to be another starfish. Still, as I looked up at her pretty face, I became all the more motivated to just enjoy myself for my own sake. So I just kept on licking and lapping on her beautiful little ****, back and forth, up and down, short strokes, long strokes, around and around. Soon, she began to move a little. Then I distinctly heard her start to breathe a little harder. Slowly, ever so slowly, she began to buck her hips into my face and moan softly. She brought her soft lovely legs up and back so that her knees were almost touching her shoulders, thereby completely exposing her entire crotch area to my hungry mouth. I kept licking, lapping and slurping on her slit and fondling her tits, until she started bucking and writhing wildly on the bed, moaning loudly now. She reached down with both hands and grabbed my hair pulling my head forcefully between her legs and then suddenly climaxed hard into my face. I kept right on licking her, my face glistening with her love juice, until she had enough. I felt like a star in my own porn movie.
When I came up, I told her I wanted a blowjob. “What?” she squeaked. “I want a blowjob, honey; I want you to blow me, suck my cock; I want you to smoke me, sweetheart,” I told her. “Oh, Ok,” she said. “I like that.” Then she proceeded to give me a fantastic suck off job in several different positions while I stared at her gorgeous face doing its wonderful work. She wouldn’t let me come in her mouth but I enjoyed it all the same. When it was over, she jumped up immediately and started getting dressed to go. I wanted to make out or at least hug her for a while, but she was in a hurry and there was no convincing her. I looked at my watch and hardly a hour had elapsed since we left the bar. But what an hour is was!
I handed her a 1000b note. “Only one?” she whined. “Yep,” I said. “I’ve only had you short time and it’s only been an hour.” She pouted, but didn’t argue. We went downstairs and I saw her off on a motorbike taxi. Gee, she’s upset with me, I thought, because I didn’t give her enough money. Not so! The next time I saw her at the bar she came right over to greet me and sat on my lap. This is a ten I’ll be having again.
Regards,
Daddy
Another great report Daddy, look forward to more.
I recently had an almost parallel experience as per your 1st girl: the same no e-mails 2 weeks prior to my LOS trip, same 4 months break and finding she'd hardened up, and similar unreliable behaviour along with starfish sex. A complete contrast to our previous 2 sojourns. I also curtailed the liaison with "it's not working out".
Mine clearly had someone else on the go & I would guess it was the same with yours. We've remained friends but I've uncovered so many lies now that I'm not certain we can continue.
Interesting all the same.
ATB
Artisan2
What you should have done is gotten her phone number and given your phone number to her. If you don't have a phone get one. It will pay off within a few days. Tell her that instead of paying the barfine you'll give her 2500-3000 Bhat for LT after work. That way you'll skip the barfine and she'll try to make arrangements for you. Instead of one hour you'll have her 6 hours from 3 am to 9 am. Make sure you tell her this is going to be a Fuck & Suck fest. You ST episode cost 2000 Bhat for one hour.
Also don't believe the crap about I have to get back to the bar. You just paid 1000 Bhat. That's a lot of money. It more than compensates the bar owner. If that's the case you can pay the bar fine but pick her up later on at a particular time.
I handed her a 1000b note. “Only one?” she whined. “Yep,” I said. “I’ve only had you short time and it’s only been an hour.” She pouted, but didn’t argue. We went downstairs and I saw her off on a motorbike taxi. Gee, she’s upset with me, I thought, because I didn’t give her enough money. Not so! The next time I saw her at the bar she came right over to greet me and sat on my lap. This is a ten I’ll be having again.
Regards,
Daddy
Phantomtiger2
03-29-07, 22:26
Folks here are disgusted the Swiss guy who pray painted HM the King's posters in Chiang Main only got 10 years. Better not aggravate them.
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It's still better than the original 75 years they wanted for this guy.
PT
That Asshole
03-30-07, 04:14
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The issue of useful Thai Languej.....
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Daddy
I think it is admirable of you to want to learn to speak Thai to make you visit a better experience. Too many visitors come here without making any attempt to find out anything about the people, culture and language.I am curious though, and this is a serious question and not meant in any other way...What exactly is it that you want to talk to these girls about?
That’s a fair question, OTH. Of course, in the beginning, I want to flatter them to the max; tell them how cute they are; how great they smell; how smooth is their skin; how well they dance, etc, etc. In short, I want to make friends with the prettiest of them in as short a time as possible. Next, I want to talk to them about sex; how desirable and hot they are; what I imagine they are like in the sack; what they like; what I like and want; how I want it, etc, etc. After that, I want to get down to the business of meeting them outside of the bar, when, where, how long, how much, and other such necessary details.
Once all of that labor of love is accomplished, and I’ve had my way with the little sweetheart, (assuming it was all satisfactory), then I’d like to talk to her about everything else – her life, her family, her friends, her likes and dislikes, living in Thailand, people, problems, joys, sorrows, religion, politics, and everything in-between. They may be bar girls, but many of them are very smart and fun to be around. I want a list of the very best pretty girl friends I can call for companionship day or night whenever I feel like it, and I need to know how to talk to them.
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Dear Gentlemen,
I thought that this - as proposed above - is a very interesting approach. Pleasantly reminds many of us of those years long ago when we "wanted to chat with them about their life". Ha ha, that's funny to say, because they don't have one.
Before you get talking to the 15th one, you will realise that you are hearing the same old cliches all over again as if it was recorded on tape in each one. That's because they rehearse it. All the stories of "hard life" they must tell "farang" in order to get paid more and again.
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You have no-name
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BTW, you will soon notice that you don't even have a name. That's right, you are called by the same "generic" word as me, him or the other john: "farang". The generic term meaning: outsider, alien, strange, barbarian, sub-human, idiot (sorry, not my words, ask the thais). Hopefully your studies will continue far enough to be able to appreciate this. Then possibly you will regret all the time you wasted in enamoured "chatting" with them.
I can see you are a young man and as we were all young once, your desire is okay although very funny (please don't be offended, many of us have been through it).
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However, what I found somewhat offensive was your attitude about the "other guy" who paid more yet you felt still being more favoured. Please think: You are in the same shoes as that guy. Belong to the same group. Even have the same bare, sad name :"farang". No, not Bill, John, Jack, Tom.
Just "farang". This is the same cliche they use to play us out against each other: "You no same-same other man". What do you think she tells him: You are an ass-hole, the other guys are much better? So my friend when laughing about him, you laugh about yourself.
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If you want to get laid more often, more regularly and keeping more of your self-respect you will realize that what matters is not how good "you" are but how good "we all men" are. We are one group and "they" the other. We get laid because we cooperate and we are good as a "class of men" and not as "individual heroes". Despising other men before women ultimately wins you no respect at all. Not only in Thailand but anywhere.
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The "really useful" expressions
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More Thai languej:
Hopefully your studies will continue, you will look beyond Pattaya and will soon discard useless expressions such as "you are pretty..., i like you...., will you go with me...., etc" and will find much more useful ones, like: "Which bus goes to Udon?, How do I get to Surin? or Do you know a cheap/clean/nice hotel in Surat?" As well as: "Can you take me to find girls?, How much for a girl short-time?, I want a pretty, slim 19yo....." and so on.
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"What's yer name Sir?"
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Expressions such as: "What's your name Sir?, Who is the boss here? Please take me to the manager....." also come very-very handy. And no, you won't ever have to say "I like you....., you are sexy...., etc. Because you will deal with their bosses. And if you get along with the "boss", (or just generally seem to get along with thai men) you will get all the meat you want without pussyfooting around and degrading yourself by bending over to little girls the age of your doghter or grand-doghter.
Pattaya going downhill as it is, genuine, (mostly unspoilt) 18-20 year olds in the countryside seem so much more attractive. And a positive plus is the adventure itself (after the second trip, Pattya can hardly be called "adventure").
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The writer (although appreciating the ease of Pattaya), had the most amazing experiences in towns that see very few "farang", such as: Kon Ken, Udon Tani, Surat Tani, Chumpon closely followed by Nakon Panom, Had Yai, Nakonsi Tamarat and Prachuap Kirikan.
Some links to those reports:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=549348&postcount=782
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=549357&postcount=786
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=525563#post525563
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=525562#post525562
More uses for your skills -Lao languej, Kanbo languej:
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Once you got all your (really useful) thai-phrases together and make it to Ubon or Mukdahan, you might want to pop over the border and check out the top class Viet meat in border Lao towns such as Paxe, Thakek, Savannaket for 7-900B/pop. Service is good, quality is good, the price is not excessive and the girls are more pretty than in Kambo. And yes, you can speak Thai here too.
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Or, if you make it to Chantaburi, it is just a short hop to one of the best chicken-farms in Kambo: Pailin town, 200B/pop. They no speak English but Thai they do. And so do they in Battambang the next city. By the time you reach the brothel towns of Kampot, Kratie and Stung Treng you will well get into the Kambo expressions as well. So, yes your investment in time pays off.
If you decide to persevere even further, you will notice the obvious similarities among the languages of Thai, Lao and Kanbo. 30% of Kanbo languej is same as thai, many words are spelled same, only pronounced different. Thai and Lao around 80% same.
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Important hint:
Here I have to recommend you put particular emphasis on learning the script of each. This will be invaluable in reading bus timetables, streetsigns and most importantly: menus, so you can feed well and have power to root meat. A sex-tourists job never ends. There are always many things to learn. It is immensely interesting.
You will find that "rooting the meat" is actually just a small diversion but not the most enjoyable part of your days. So, although your initial attempts are funny but there is a great long road ahead of you. Walk on young man. You will never lick feet to women again. All you will ask is the price from their "owners".
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Excellent analysis, as always, Humble Turd.
I would point out however that service is normally very inferior outside of Pattaya in the hinterlands, as most of those women have only Thais/Laos/Cambos as customers (very rudimentary sex). Condoms are normally insisted upon, BJs are rare, and when provided very poor, and anal sex is a needle in a haystack.
I too love those adventures, but the sex is much better in Pattaya, or perhaps just more to my taste.
That Asshole
03-30-07, 05:32
Dear Opebo,
I would like to call your attention to one particular paragraph, which is the point of all:
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...How good we all are....
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If you want to get laid more often, more regularly and keeping more of your self-respect you will realize that what matters is not how good "you" are but how good "we all men" are. We are one group and "they" the other. We get laid because we cooperate and we are good as a "class of men" and not as "individual heroes". Despising other men before women ultimately wins you no respect at all. Not only in Thailand but anywhere.
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No complaints at all
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In fact because I have finally given licking feet to the hos, I find the service superior in "non-farang" areas. Totally sweeping your socks off.
In Indonesia, Cambodia and Thailand the main point is: go and try to connect with local men. This is the Asian way. It will be the ho's duty to give you exceptional service. Be it the boss, a driver or just a man you met at the bus station. I wouldn't go alone in most brothels. Thinking back, the only time I got bad service (in fact rejected by all the girls) when I couldn't connect with the boss. Then when they sense that you are alone, they walk all over you. You speak Thai. There are much more useful phrases to get laid than licking the ho's feet by whining "you are pretty".
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This is Asia. No hero land. Lots of little men keep the hos under good control.
Dear Mr. Asshole,
Thanks for your learned opinions concerning my Thai language motivation and efforts. I think I know where you are coming from, and would like to share a few of my thoughts with you about your attitude:
I thought that this - as proposed above - is a very interesting approach. Pleasantly reminds many of us of those years long ago when we "wanted to chat with them about their life". Ha ha, that's funny to say, because they don't have one.
Oh, really? So you think all these girls don’t have a life? You don’t even think they are human beings, do you? They – all of them -- are merely cum dumps to you, aren’t they?
Before you get talking to the 15th one, you will realise that you are hearing the same old cliches all over again as if it was recorded on tape in each one. That's because they rehearse it. All the stories of "hard life" they must tell "farang" in order to get paid more and again.
Is that so? Well why is it then that I’ve gone well past the 15th one, yet have never heard the same story twice? Of course, I’ve run into some hard ones here and there, but even they have a life; all are human beings worth my respect; and some have indeed experienced a hard life. That doesn’t mean they will get more money from me. I certainly won’t be treating them like cum dumps though. I like women. I think that is the main difference between you and me. I like them. You despise them. I like to talk to them. You only want to “root” them. All of them are interesting to me. You don’t see the human side of them – only their holes.
BTW, you will soon notice that you don't even have a name. That's right, you are called by the same "generic" word as me, him or the other john: "farang". The generic term meaning: outsider, alien, strange, barbarian, sub-human, idiot (sorry, not my words, ask the thais). Hopefully your studies will continue far enough to be able to appreciate this. Then possibly you will regret all the time you wasted in enamoured "chatting" with them.
Well, I don’t know what they call me when I’m not listening, but when I’m “chatting” with them, they all call me “Daddy,” exactly as I tell them to call me. It’s music to my ears. Sure, I know I’m a “farang,” and always will be, but I still have a name, and no Thai has ever called me “farang” to my face. No Thai has ever treated me like a “barbarian, sub-human idiot,” either. You must be making a different impression on these people than me, Mr. Asshole. Are you acting like an asshole? If so, that might explain why you have no other name to them.
I can see you are a young man and as we were all young once, your desire is okay although very funny (please don't be offended, many of us have been through it).
No offense taken. It is also abundantly clear Mr. Asshole that you can’t “see” very well at all, because I am not a young man, unless you think that 61 years old is young. I’ve actually described myself as a “geezer” and an “old man” in several of my reports but apparently you did not “see” that. And my handle here is “Daddy.” Does that sound like a young man to you? Think about it. I will speculate here that I am probably much older than you and have certainly acquired far more people skills in my life than you have, sir.
However, what I found somewhat offensive was your attitude about the "other guy" who paid more yet you felt still being more favoured.
Ok, Ok, so I bragged a little because I really did feel favored, and I also thought that the other guy shelled out way too much compared to me. I apologize, but still maintain that the girls respect big spenders less.
Please think: You are in the same shoes as that guy. Belong to the same group. Even have the same bare, sad name :"farang". No, not Bill, John, Jack, Tom.
No, I’m not in the same shoes as him, nor do I belong to the same group, and my name is Daddy – not farang. I’m an individual and so is he.
Just "farang". This is the same cliche they use to play us out against each other: "You no same-same other man". What do you think she tells him: You are an ass-hole, the other guys are much better? So my friend when laughing about him, you laugh about yourself.
I don’t think she told him anything all about me, and you are the Asshole, sir, not me. OK, so I feel bad about laughing about him now, but I couldn’t help it. BTW – the little sweetheart just called me this morning long distance for the second time to say that she misses me. I’m not sending her any money. I just like her a lot. Do you still think she has only contempt for me?
If you want to get laid more often, more regularly and keeping more of your self-respect you will realize that what matters is not how good "you" are but how good "we all men" are. We are one group and "they" the other. We get laid because we cooperate and we are good as a "class of men" and not as "individual heroes". Despising other men before women ultimately wins you no respect at all. Not only in Thailand but anywhere.
That’s the biggest load of bullshit I’ve ever seen in print. What in the fuck are you talking about? I don’t despise other men before women. I don’t despise that guy at all. He was just paying too much, and that’s not so good for the rest of us men, right?
Hopefully your studies will continue, you will look beyond Pattaya and will soon discard useless expressions such as "you are pretty..., i like you...., will you go with me...., etc" and will find much more useful ones, like: "Which bus goes to Udon?, How do I get to Surin? or Do you know a cheap/clean/nice hotel in Surat?" As well as: "Can you take me to find girls?, How much for a girl short-time?, I want a pretty, slim 19yo....." and so on.
I guarantee that my studies will continue, but let me tell you again that I love to tell girls “you are pretty … I like you … will you go with me,” etc, because I love these little girls, especially the pretty ones. I have fun complimenting them and I know damn well that they like it. I think it makes then want to suck my dick better. Now, of course, if I just want a piece of meat like you do, Mr. Asshole, I would do as you do and consult a butcher, er, I mean pimp, right? Because that’s what your recommending to me isn’t it? I like the girls. You like the pimps.
Expressions such as: "What's your name Sir?, Who is the boss here? Please take me to the manager....." also come very-very handy. And no, you won't ever have to say "I like you....., you are sexy...., etc. Because you will deal with their bosses. And if you get along with the "boss", (or just generally seem to get along with thai men) you will get all the meat you want without pussyfooting around and degrading yourself by bending over to little girls the age of your doghter or grand-doghter.
With all due respect, Mr. Asshole, I’m not looking for the same kind of “meat” that you are seeking. If I want meat, I’ll visit a restaurant. And I don’t want to deal with pimps, thank you. I want the GFE – EVEN IF IT IS ONLY AN ILLUSION. I don’t want to just find ‘em, fuck ‘em, and forget ‘em like you and Opebo. What fun is there in that? You are two cynical bastards with hearts of stone. No offense, but I think you must be one of those “knuckle draggers” OTH was referring to. I enjoy reading your posts. Opebo’s too. You guys are a couple of characters that’s for sure.
Important hint:
You will find that "rooting the meat" is actually just a small diversion but not the most enjoyable part of your days. So, although your initial attempts are funny but there is a great long road ahead of you. Walk on young man. You will never lick feet to women again. All you will ask is the price from their "owners".
Jesus, Mr. Asshole, you sure are a piece of work. Are you serious? “Rooting the meat”???? -- “Their owners”??? Has it really come down to that for you? You are one sick puppy, sir. Have you no decency? Why don’t you just go buy yourself a box of Kleenex? You can’t even condescend very well, sir. Hey, I like licking the little girls. I love them. You hate them. And I pity you. (No offense, of course)
Regards,
Daddy
Traveler1234
03-30-07, 20:03
Daddy07
Don't waste your breath on asshole's post. you did a great job with the language primer and i for one at waiting for chapter 3 (or 4) of your escapades. it's obvious asshole's gotta a lot of spare time and can't think of any meaningful contribution to make....
Give us the good stuff :)
M P Lurker
03-30-07, 20:05
Dear Mr. Asshole,
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Oh, really? So you think all these girls don’t have a life? You don’t even think they are human beings, do you? They – all of them -- are merely cum dumps to you, aren’t they?
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Regards,
Daddy
All of the best times I ever had with Thai girls, and I mean very long times like several days (not just time to deposit some sperm) were with Thai girls who perhaps understood a few words of English but did not speak it at all.
Met some very nice girls, some with a tough life.
Bar girls that could speak good English rarely interested me, probaly because of the standard phrases that come out of them. But those that couldn't speak English were quite tolerant of my weak Thai when I first started.
Anyway we know that "That Arsehole" just would not see the fun in this.
Alas, Humble Turd, the methods you describe, while of course necessary and effective for maximizing what service is available, do not gaurantee Pattaya level service in a brothel in the hinterlands. And I'm sure you will not make the mistaken assumption that I am one of your oft-mentioned foot-lickers.
The sort of blow job or anal sex that was totally de regur for our much lamented Beach Road ladies is simply beyond the experience of a hinterland brothel girl. Most of these girls are used to the Thai customer, who typically dons a condom and fucks in a rather straightforward fashion for at most five minutes.
I suppose if you had the whole team of pimps there in the room beating her it might motivate something akin to Beach Road service, but it would certainly be the first time she had ever provided same.
Anyway I find that most pimps are not particularly cooperative - when I ask them for girls for bareback or anal they invariably say no, doubtless fearing damage to their merchandise. I believe they find it presumptuous to ask for anything out of the ordinary.
FreeWolf66
03-30-07, 21:01
Nice post.. I agree 100%, and it took me 3 trips to come to the same conclusion. I used to tip really well, and give in to everything, but it eventually sank in that this equates to weakness in the Thai mind, and I now drive hard bargains, and get more respect.
However, I'm curious about one thing, you mention this girl keeps coming back to you each day, and receives 1100 etc., when she also screws younger guys for 3000 at night, so what is the attraction there?? What's the incentive to visit you daily for 1100 and also give all the GFE stuff ??
I'm not at all meaning to be offensive here, but am just interested in understanding this scenario more..Offer 500 bt st then go from there. If she's worth it go up. The further you go toward walking street the higher the price. Some of the freelancers are worth it. 500bt st is the going price some tourists jack it up. Baht buses run all the time and are 10 baht, don't overpay.
Freewolf66
Hi All,
I'm planning to visit Pattaya on my stopover rather than my usual weekend in Bangkok (i.e. Dynasty Grande, a few games of pool, a visit (or two) to Annies and a tasty bar girl).
Any suggestions for reasonable hotels (up to 2400BHT per night)? Best way to get there? All that newbie stuff?
Sorry if this is a little lazy of me but search seems to return a lot of random info...
The Traveler
04-01-07, 22:14
Best to go outside and grab a meter cab. Tell the cabbie to turn the meter on.
Freewolf66
FreeWolf,
many cabs will refuse to use the meter for going to Pattaya, simply because it will only show around 800 baht and many have to return empty.
FreeWolf66
04-01-07, 23:03
FreeWolf,
Many cabs will refuse to use the meter for going to Pattaya, simply because it will only show around 800 baht and many have to return empty.I forgot that the cabbies will have to pay the local mafia around 400 bt, that's why it cost less to leave Pattaya. The meter cab is better toward Bangkok; sorry for the misinformation.
Freewolf66
FreeWolf66
04-01-07, 23:04
Hi All,
I'm planning to visit Pattaya on my stopover rather than my usual weekend in Bangkok (i.e. Dynasty Grande, a few games of pool, a visit (or two) to Annies and a tasty bar girl).
Any suggestions for reasonable hotels (up to 2400BHT per night)? Best way to get there? All that newbie stuff?
Sorry if this is a little lazy of me but search seems to return a lot of random info...I like the welkom inn on soi 4. Some new bars in the area. Bar with girls on the premises. Clean and cheap; about 900 bt.
Freewolf66
500 st. bar girls
1000 st max!! showgirls
700 [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s bj
sabai.......'s - waste of fucking time.
1000 lt. bar - 1500 lt showgirl
you should not pay any more than this.
if you want lt's with stunners for 1000baht then go to marine and pick up the numerous freelancers that are there. there are loads of very beautiful girls in marine.
long times, personally speaking, are not for me.
i have been to pattaya numerous times and have never been lt with any thai girl. st's are ok. i prefer soi 6 or [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900). i have sometimes st'd a girl around 4pm, and then given her my number if she is good, gone out for the night enjoyed the views and then had her come back to my hotel at 2 a.m for another couple of hours session. i only like waking up by myself.
this method ensures not having to buy them dinner or breakfast. not because i am a chaep charlie, but because what's the point of sitting trying to make pleasantries with a girl you don't know, and with the language barrier. i see hundreds of farang engaged in a stare-a-thon with their purchase over brekky etc. what's the point? i'd rather get stuck into the bangkok post and enjoy a coffee.
gfe's are reserved for my girlfriend.
thai working girls do not understand the meaning of love.
farangs are in thaliand to fuck the thai girls, and thai girls are in thailand to fuck the farangs, but in a very different manner.
enjoy the pleasures of pattaya as they are abound but as tina turner once said, "what's love got to do with it?"
Old Thai Hand
04-02-07, 12:32
Thai working girls do not understand the meaning of love.
Farangs are in Thaliand to fuck the Thai girls, and Thai girls are in Thailand to fuck the Farangs, but in a very different manner.
Enjoy the pleasures of Pattaya as they are abound but as Tina Turner once said, "What's love got to do with it?"
Nice attitude, dude. You'll do well on this board. ;)
Old Thai Hand
04-02-07, 12:37
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The issue of useful Thai Languej.....
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You have no-name
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BTW, you will soon notice that you don't even have a name. That's right, you are called by the same "generic" word as me, him or the other john: "farang". The generic term meaning: outsider, alien, strange, barbarian, sub-human, idiot (sorry, not my words, ask the thais)._________________________________________________________________
I should think their very, very special name for you would be, "Hoo dack bugsida".
Ask the next BG you meet, what it means?
FreeWolf66
04-02-07, 19:14
Have It,
Bravo. Finally someone who says it like it is.
Freewolf66
Indy Tourist
04-02-07, 22:44
(Headline) Woman fears blackmail Police were called to an apartment in Soi 8 after a Thai woman complained that her customer might be recording intimate activity for future use or even blackmail (/Headline)
Ms Maruwan Jaorooseree, aged 40, phoned her friend and asked her to contact the police because she was feeling uncomfortable in the bedroom with 52 year old Britisher Graham Elliott. Officers arrived and found the pair still in the room. Ms Maruwan readily admitted she had been hired for a fee and had returned to the hotel with the newly found customer from UK. She said she was suspicious that the horizontal encounter was being photographed by video clip because the customer kept looking across the room and smiling at nothing in particular. She added that she had picked up a computer notebook on her way to the toilet. Investigators offered bail to the farang and informed both of them that they would send the notebook to police headquarters in Bangkok to ascertain if there were any images or not. It would, they added, be improper to levy a video indecency charge without clear evidence that the photographic criminal display act had been breached.
NOTE TO SELF: Stop smiling at camera!
Old Thai Hand
04-03-07, 01:41
Have It,
Bravo. Finally someone who says it like it is.
Freewolf66
Hardly. Just another asshole visitor who's fucked a few hideous brown-skinned Pattaya skanks and thinks he knows all about Thai girls. He knows a little about Thai HOs, but nothing about Thai girls.
Hardly. Just another asshole visitor who's fucked a few hideous brown-skinned Pattaya skanks and thinks he knows all about Thai girls. He knows a little about Thai HOs, but nothing about Thai girls.I have two uncles who are now married with Thai girls. I myself have been with a Korean girl for three years and understand to some extent the common and uniform attitudes of the continent.
I have visited Thailand on numerous occcasions and lived in Korea, Taiwan and Japan. There is some educated reasoning behind my attitude.
However, in response to your post, I was infact offering an opinion on the synergies involved with Thai working girls, and not Thai girls as a whole. I am led to believe that not all Thai girls are hookers? (No lewd responses of the affirmative please!)
Also with such an array of beauties on offer in Pattya, i can guarantee you that I have never fucked a skank. Why eat spam when you can have steak?
Brown skin, now yes! For me that signifies, beauty and exotica, not hours outdoors tending to the crops.
Fortunately for me, my girl here in Australia rejects the skin whitening products for long sessions under the rays of Bondi Beach.
Maybe if and when I want to make comments relating to my generic understanding of Thai girls, I will seek out other forums. But for now I am happy to be a part of this beauty. So please be nice, or you'll make me cry.
Old Thai Hand
04-03-07, 13:46
Have It
Ok. I don't want to make you cry.
OTH, please, in all honesty, do you have a problem with brown skinned girls?
If so, fair enough, but it does sound slightly racist. Now I am not one for PC shite, but I think in the context of this thread introducing the race aspect is a bit naughty.
Old Thai Hand
04-03-07, 17:18
OTH, please, in all honesty, do you have a problem with brown skinned girls?.
I think that's been long established to the point of boredom...Cue Terry Terrier and his oft-repeated reference to Thai-Chinese girls with faces like frying pans...LOL
But, in actual fact, I only have a problem with brown-skinned Isaan girls; well in fact, many Isaan girls in general. I quite like brown-skinned southern Thai girls, and brown-skinned girls from Nakhon Sawan, Ayutthya and Kachanaburi, for example. However, my preference is ultimately for white-skinned TGs. Everyone knows that. I've been vilified for it enough times on here. It's gotten pretty old by now.
Anyway, I don't see it as racist. I see it as a aesthetics and a personal preference from living here perhaps a tad too long and having developed a Thai taste in women, with the exception of the white, western women Thais fancy as being beautiful. I don't like caucasian women either. So, it's not a matter strictly of color.
However, I really need to stop writing this shit. It just pisses people off as most of the girls Farang end up with, especially on this board are indeed, brown-skinned Isaan girls. Nobody wants to here their taste in women slagged off.
But, if you're really dying to know why I don't like many Isaan women, brown and otherwise, I'll write it to you in a PM, but not here. Otherwise, I'll bring down on myself a firestorm of righteous indignation.
I apologize to 'Have It' et al. for the 'brown-skinned' reference.
I think that's been long established to the point of boredom...Cue Terry Terrier and his oft-repeated reference to Thai-Chinese girls with faces like frying pans...LOL
But, in actual fact, I only have a problem with brown-skinned Isaan girls; well in fact, many Isaan girls in general. I quite like brown-skinned southern Thai girls, and brown-skinned girls from Nakhon Sawan, Ayutthya and Kachanaburi, for example. However, my preference is ultimately for white-skinned TGs. Everyone knows that. I've been vilified for it enough times on here. It's gotten pretty old by now.
Anyway, I don't see it as racist. I see it as a aesthetics and a personal preference from living here perhaps a tad too long and having developed a Thai taste in women, with the exception of the white, western women Thais fancy as being beautiful. I don't like caucasian women either. So, it's not a matter strictly of color.
However, I really need to stop writing this shit. It just pisses people off as most of the girls Farang end up with, especially on this board are indeed, brown-skinned Isaan girls. Nobody wants to here their taste in women slagged off.
But, if you're really dying to know why I don't like many Isaan women, brown and otherwise, I'll write it to you in a PM, but not here. Otherwise, I'll bring down on myself a firestorm of righteous indignation.
I apologize to 'Have It' et al. for the 'brown-skinned' reference.
Fair enough, it'sjust your recent postings do make reference to brown skinned girls. Don't get me wrong, I am not a pro-racist it's just that I like brown-skinned girls, as well as any colour skinned girls.
Hi!
I suggest you the EAST SEA RESORT very nice bungalows with a large pool and bar in the middle and very nice staff.
Its more in the north of pattaya, near Naklua Road.
You can find the hotel ba google.
The price starts with 1200 up to 2300 for a bungalow for 2 fully equipped.
Enjoy yr trip
I stayed in Thailand for 4 weeks, visiting Pattaya in the beginning and at the end. This forum presents a wealth of useful information of more seasoned travellers (thanks to Jackson an all others), so this won´t be another trip report, but I´ld like to give you some of my observations.
First some personal information, I´m 47 years, reasonable looking, treating the Ladies with respect, neither “cheap Charly” nor overpay, like the beer bars and overnight stays, don´t speak Thai, 3rd trip to Pattaya.
I was a little surprised by finding it was really slow, that means:
- guy- and womenwise; even at Soi 7 some bars didn´t open.
- the only ones that were busy as ever where the vendors…
- less of the welcoming “Hello handsome man!” grabbing, joking in the street.
- instead many of the girls simply were not interested, eating, talking, doing their makeup.
- a lot of the better looking Ladies showed up late 8-10pm, but a lot of these had the “experienced bargirl” attitude.
- many fresh girls with nik noi English
Hell this is sin-city, when I go there, I like attention, being pampered, being entertained. Also I like to joke with the girls a little bit in the street, to get an impression before I decide to sit at the bar. Although you´ve got time to spend, I don´t want to waste my time with someone who is boring and you can´t talk more than the 5 questionsroutine (name, country, hotel, girlfriend, length of stay).
For those who are interested, BR action seemed to be happening around the clock – but quality was low.
So in brief, I was a little disappointed although I got my share of fun, because before of my upcoming trip to Cuba I wanted to enjoy the ease of the “point and click” feeling. Out of 15 different Ladies I repeated 3 and 2 were only ST because lack of performance in the room. BF 2-300 bht, LT usually 1000 + 100 bht tip. At least I did what I would call the “Big 3” – soapie, experienced BBBJ at Soi6, threesome.
Bought Kamagra at the pharmacy next to WS (already described here) for 300bht. First time I got the blue ones which worked perfect. At the end of the trip I stocked up and this time I got green ones. On inquiring I was told, that they changed colour because of Cambodian fake ones. I didn´t try the greens yet, but I don´t have any serious doubt, because it would be fucking stupid to sell fake ones in the wrong colour. But anyway, sometimes things in Thailand seem a little stupid for the westerner.
For example the travel agencies, which were of no help at all. Trying to get a reservation for a hotel in Chiang Mai, one tried to sell me a airticket although I told them that I already had a busticket. Then they offered 3000+ bht hotels, although I indicated the 1000 bht range. An other agency (next to the Topps foodcourt at central road) had a booklet with the Top North Hotel, thanx to the forum I knew it should be in my pricerange, but prior to reservation I wanted to know the price, and was told they would call them and I should come back tomorrow. This happened for 3 days in a row and each day I was told they couldn´t because it´s weekend/holiday. Hey, they should know what day of the week it is and since when hotels are closed at any day of the week? I could go on talking about booking a trip to Koh Samet, briefly just another example of showing that although there are a lot of agencies they simply don´t know their business at least by my standards.
Places I enjoyed especially were:
the Cocktail Hut, Soi 8 next to Eastiny Inn, nice Pinacolada for 69 bht, just for drinks, never took a Lady there.
Life music at the bars at the beachroad end of Soi 8, with really skilled ladysingers,
Club Boesche, although upper floor was closed the lesbian show was really entertaining, and the completely nude girls interacted with the crowd in any imaginable manner i.e. kissing and fingering, just buy them a drink or slip them 100bht and they will come again. The blond one named Bei indicated 5000bht ST, a little bit stiff – didn´t bargain because they seemed slightly too slutty to take them to the hotel – but I have no doubt, that she can get that much.
Hotels
Stayed at the Flipper House, booked with breakfast for ~800bht at home, when I inquired for the price on return, they only offered 1000bht without breakfast, no reduction for 10 days stay. The “no discount policy” was symptomatic for several hotels I asked beforehand – so they should have known, that I´m not under pressure. Maybe I got the stupid Falang look, but this is slow season and other members are describing discounts!?
BTW regarding a post of SidTheSexist; Areca Lodge mentioned 1050bht on weekly basis.
Bustrip to Chiang Mai
This was really nice and easy. Went with the VIP-bus of Nakhonchai www.nca.co.th , I guess this is yet not described in ISG. Took the overnight bus, felt as much as business class flight as you can get in a bus, spacey seats, video, 3 meals serviced by a lady dressed like a stewardess. Reservation was made at the busstation 100m south of the trainstation at Sukhumvit/Central Road for 710bht. Easy to get there, simply hop on a Central Road songthaw, that ends at Sukhumvit, cross this one in direction to the trainstation, walk southwards, only problem I didn´t saw a Nakhonchai-sign; just look for the bay for the busses in between 2 supermarkets. Although they speak only little English there, they really went out of their way to make sure I get what I want, guess they don´t do a lot business with Falang, because in the bus I was the only one. Sat next to an older Thailady, who was absolutely charming and offered her food, felt absolutely safe.
Return trip I booked via travel agency in Chiang Mai, although it was same price and they promised VIP-bus it was not, less quality – older bus full of backpackers (no pun intended), no food no drinks, so no stewardess… A songthaw picked me up at the hotel, dropped us at a gasstation, after filling a form the “VIP-bus” picked us up, but this one ended in Bangkok (next to Khao San). There we had to head to a guesthouse (instructions to get there were useless) to get picked up 2 hours later by a minibus. So I regret that I was too lazy to find the busstation in CM – there are 2 of them, at least I learned to value the other buscompany accordingly.
Maybe this got a little bit long and off-topic, but hopefully I gave back my 2 Cent.
I really would appreciate to know if other members can share my observations and how to improve. Although I´m not thinking of going back in the near future, I would consider going back in 2 or 3 years, perhaps last quarter should be better.
Happy hunting
Smily
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Old Thai Hand
04-04-07, 03:15
Fair enough, it'sjust your recent postings do make reference to brown skinned girls. Don't get me wrong, I am not a pro-racist it's just that I like brown-skinned girls, as well as any colour skinned girls.
To each his own. A hot girl is a hot girl, no matter what her color, I guess. But, in my experience in Pattaya, I've never seen any stunners there; merely mediocre at best.
Also, for me personality is almost as important as looks. So, like uneducated, narrow-focused women anywhere, bargirls beyond their obvious ease of access are not very desirable to be with because they having nothing of interest to say and all seem to have the same type of bargirl personalities. Beyond the obvious attraction of easy sex, I'm baffled by guys who want to get to know them and learn about their lives. Guys like this don't seem to have very exacting standards. Thai women at best are pretty boring except the really intelligent, educated ones. So, at the bottom of a heap of rather dull women are the dullest of them all - bargirls.
When I say intelligent and educated, I don't even necessarily mean those who have gone to university, but simply those few you meet who actually have enquiring minds and are interested in things beyond som tam, terrible comedy movies, Hello Kitty and Thai Pop. My 48 y.o. Thai boss has a PhD from Berkley, but is the dumbest fuckin' women I've ever met. (Trust me, Thai women age far worse than Western women do). In contrast, the best GF I ever had here only had a high school education, but was interested in everything, actually read books and liked to talk about the world. She was also the funniest person I ever met...a rare find anywhere, that I stupidly let go because I thought with the wrong head, and dumped her for a uni girl who turned out to be a vacuous, mean-spirited, selfish, greedy (albeit extremely hot) ****.
Appologies to the Pattaya crowd. This would be better in the Thai women's section, or perhaps a church confessional. If you want to continue we can take it there.
Hi All,
I'm planning to visit Pattaya on my stopover rather than my usual weekend in Bangkok (i.e. Dynasty Grande, a few games of pool, a visit (or two) to Annies and a tasty bar girl).
Any suggestions for reasonable hotels (up to 2400BHT per night)? Best way to get there? All that newbie stuff?
Sorry if this is a little lazy of me but search seems to return a lot of random info...Hi,
I have just arrived from Pattaya.
I stayed 2 nights in Residence Garden.
Ok Hotel but they did charge me extra for the 2 girl.
Moved to Sabai Lodge where I stayed at what the called Wing (entrance from soi1 but access to soi2, Beach Road).
That was a much better place, nice staff, rooms, pool, superb bed and no hassle with anything.
I will stay there again on my next trip.
Price range from around 1000-1900 bath + internet access if you want.
There is easy access to the bar area in soi2, 2 road and the massage parlours.
TH
Game plan: 4 days in Pattaya and 4 days in Bangkok
Arrived early to LOS and in Pattaya 10 00.
Check in to Residence Garden, a nice hotel that other members reported about.
On the downside is, when you want to go back after a night out, the drivers always try to hustle and that can get annoying.
And it’s too far to walk drunk in the dark.
Around 12 00 out for a recon round of the area (not so familiar with Pattay)
After eating somewhere in the walking street I went and check out pattayaland, that seems to be a gay place( well at least a big part of it) and ended up in Thaitian Queen (gogo)on the beach road.
That’s one of the few gogo that’s open daytime.
Nice bar with some nice girls, not the best selection but OK, haven’t check after shift change at 20 00, maybe better then I did like the laid back atmosphere there and ended up drinking with a dirty looking girl.
And being the first day and all I felt that I needed to realise some pressure.
Ended up ST here in the back room they provide there, the room by the way was much better than I suspected, clean nice shower an ok bed with mirrors around.
But on the downside, the room is behind the girl’s dressing room and they hear everything.
Not the best looking girl but she had a nice hard body and a cool attitude.
Great long session in multiply (the tg was a screamer) acrobatic possessions that ended with a CIM and big applauds when we re-enter the facility from here co workers, that have obviously standing outside and listen.
Damage: 1500 including room.
After that I went back to Walking street, dip my head I 2 other gogos that was open at that time.(16-17 00)
Pink I thing the name was of one of them the other I can’t remember the name of, but both was located on the right side coming from the beach road.
One of them provided st room.
Back to the hotel, fresh up, rest a while and out again around 19 00.
Up to the Bufalo Bar in 3d road, a local expat hangout, well it looks like that anyway. Nice selection of girls, and there is a lot of them, some really hot ones can be found there.
Spent some time chatting with a new started OK looking girl but I moved on down to WS to check out the night selection there.
But that place is worth a visit, not so loud music good light and nice laid back atmosphere.
Gogo hopping in walking street.
I did dip my head in some others than the one I writ about, but this is the ones I think was OK.
Super baby/girls
Have a nice selection but they all seem to be in same size and shape but they are not smiling at these places so not a great party atmosphere.
Shark
soso, but ok
Pepparmint
Have a good selection of girls.
Got an offer for a double from a blonde with nice racks and here friend but I pass on that one.
Maybe some other day.
Happy a gogo
Same owner I think as Peppermint and same selection of girls.
Club Bochur?
I think the name is (other members reported about that one) had a nice selection with a jacuzzi bath show. (the 2 girls there was up for a double to)
But that seems to be the thing in Pattaya, everyone has that.
Secrets
Was told that you can’t bf every girl there so I ask a mamasan and she told I can.
Nice selection of girls and a place one can spend some bath in.
Coyote a gogo have some really hot ones but I didn’t like the atmosphere in there and the lady I by LD for (damn hot) ´had some attitude so I pass on that one.
Angelwich is outstanding in the WS.
Good show and a lot of girls in all shape and size.
Chatted up with the manager a cool LB that runs the gogo(club has German owner, same as in Nana BKK)
He do a part of a show to, damn good if I may say so, not that I am in to LB but they can be cool anyway, as long as they don’t bother me in that way :).
Had a fun time there with one of the serving staff and some girls, that provided with good info about all the girls there.
The snake show dance lady and one of the hottest dancers have husbands so can not BF these, but like she told me next time maybe can.
Anyway I BF 2 girls late in the evening from there.
After eating, back to the hotel.
When I took out the key (I always leave that at reception when I go out) they wanted a joiner fee for the 2d girl, well I only book for 2 nights so time to check after another hotel.
Up to the room shower played around little.
The phone started to ring for one of the girls and it started to get annoying.
Same old story when the girls want to leave early blablabla here friend have no key to the room.
Well not the best looking one, by by with here.
The other provided for 2 on the other hand.
A real goer and finished me off with a CIM when she in the end got tiered.
I have a damn problem to finish when I am drunk, well more fun for the girls if they like it.
In the morning we went out eating and then by by and off searching for another hotel.
Checkt out Sabai lodge in beach road soi 1 / 2 and book for the next 2 nights there. (Opposite Big C)
And walking up from soi 1 back against the walking street, a massage Sabai ??? and why not.
Ok selection took a nice looking girl from Changmai that provided a nice service and finished me with a nice bbj.
Can’t remember, but I think it was 16-1700 + I give 500 tip to the girl (god girl)
Back to the hotel and pack finished for moving the next day and then out to search a new angel of the night.
There are some nice girls in the beer bars at soi 7 8, but it takes to much time to hunt them down and work thru the not so good looking ones , so back to gogo hopping.
Need much more time here to get something out of that scene.
Pattayaland.
Did some of the gogos on this streets but the quality is lower than on the WS.
But I did find some hot ones at Kitten club.
But the one I wanted didn’t respond to me until I was going to leave the place and well then it was to late, maybe next time.
Back to WS
Heaven above have some quality and a funny mamasan.
Check some gogos not worth mention and some that I did the first night.
Ended up in Taboo (not sure about the name, opposite Club Bochur in soi 16 I think) with 2 Coyote dancing girls that I liked and had fun with.
Well, late in the evening I bf both of them and back to the room.
The session started more like a joke where everything ended up with a laugh, so in the end it turned out like this.
I sent one girl in the living room to watch TV while I boom boom with the other, and when she got tired, in with the next girl.
After multiply changes the one with toung piercing managed to finish me off with a BBBJ CIM and fast run out the living room screaming with a V sign to here friend that didn’t seemed so happy about that (I think they made some bet to each other, who can finish me off :O )
I did realise that the sun was up already.
I sent the girls home and start packing the last and check out from the Hotel.
I can sleep after I check in to Sabai Wing later.
End part one.
TH
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To each his own. A hot girl is a hot girl, no matter what her color, I guess. But, in my experience in Pattaya, I've never seen any stunners there; merely mediocre at best.
Also, for me personality is almost as important as looks. So, like uneducated, narrow-focused women anywhere, bargirls beyond their obvious ease of access are not very desirable to be with because they having nothing of interest to say and all seem to have the same type of bargirl personalities. Beyond the obvious attraction of easy sex, I'm baffled by guys who want to get to know them and learn about their lives. Guys like this don't seem to have very exacting standards. Thai women at best are pretty boring except the really intelligent, educated ones. So, at the bottom of a heap of rather dull women are the dullest of them all - bargirls.
When I say intelligent and educated, I don't even necessarily mean those who have gone to university, but simply those few you meet who actually have enquiring minds and are interested in things beyond som tam, terrible comedy movies, Hello Kitty and Thai Pop. My 48 y.o. Thai boss has a PhD from Berkley, but is the dumbest fuckin' women I've ever met. (Trust me, Thai women age far worse than Western women do). In contrast, the best GF I ever had here only had a high school education, but was interested in everything, actually read books and liked to talk about the world. She was also the funniest person I ever met...a rare find anywhere, that I stupidly let go because I thought with the wrong head, and dumped her for a uni girl who turned out to be a vacuous, mean-spirited, selfish, greedy (albeit extremely hot) ****.
Appologies to the Pattaya crowd. This would be better in the Thai women's section, or perhaps a church confessional. If you want to continue we can take it there.
For once I think I agree with you. I too need a girl with whom I can carry on a decent conversation, be that about Star Trek, the current thoughts on prions, or just last night's news. Having lived in 4 countries and travelled to many others, I know that Thai girls don't have the monopoly in being 'dumb'.
My wife is probably a lot cleverer and more widely read than I ( NOTE OPEBO, THAT'S HOW TO USE I BECAUSE IT CAN BE QUALIFIED BY AM- I AM), and that is why she is my wife. However I have fucked many girls with whom I have had a lot of fun, for short periods of time, and they haven't been exactly bright, but that's where adaptation comes in.
My point was, I think, that I thought you had a thing about dark-skinned girls per se. It seems that it is merely an educational thing as it seems that the darker ones in Thailand come from educationally disadvantaged backgrounds. That's fair enough and understandable, but the majority of guys go to places like Pattaya to fuck young, beautiful women, not to find a soul mate. Is that a fair assessment of your thoughts?
Having viewed videos and pictures of Bangkok ( I haven't been out of the airport yet, though I talked with a taxi hawker how was an 11/10-female btw.) I understand what you say about the non P4P Thai women. Without a doubt many are off the scale in attractiveness, and probably have all the other credentials to make a perfect partner. However, don't underestimate the fun factor for guys who are in LOS for a short time. Black skin, brown skin, white skin doesn't matter one bit if you both can't talk the same language. No discussions about Captain Picard's finest moments, or the new train of thought that BSE didn't come from scrapie, just alcohol, sex and laughs.
Remember mate that most of us are just fleeting visitors to your chosen country of residence and despite how we may try to disguise it with talks of culture and other shite, it's about being called 'hansum man' and shagging young ladies.
The majority of guys go to places like Pattaya to fuck young, beautiful women, not to find a soul mate. Is that a fair assessment of your thoughts?
EUREKA! By god I think you've got it.
Old Thai Hand
04-05-07, 01:18
Pete
A very fair assessment.
BD
The ramblings of an obviously syphilitic mind.
... most of us are just fleeting visitors to your chosen country of residence and despite how we may try to disguise it with talks of culture and other shite, it's about being called 'hansum man' and shagging young ladies.Accurate - spot on.
I check in to Sabai wing and got a corner room with a nice balcony overseeing the pool and the sea.
The staff was friendly and no hassle what so ever, always with a smile.
Room service to 24 00, quiet at night, no noise from the bars or cars.
And superb bed :)
Rested mostly of that day and didn’t get out before around 20 00, but still feeling little bit tired.
Check out the bars in the area (soi2 and 2 road)
Some nice girls in this area and there is 2 gogos here.
Classroom gogo, that was nice inside but not so hot girls.
And there is a place called Honey Pot (soi2) with some really hot girls that danced in the window, wow!.
Planning to do this place later.
Back to WS and drop in to Dollhous that was soso and from there to Living Dolls showcase that had some good looking girls.
Chat with a hostess from northern Thailand that looked good and had a nice smile.
It was getting late and it was time to bf someone, so back to pattayaland trying to find the hot one in Kitten club I seen before, but she was bf already.
After some short stops here and there back to Living dolls and bf the hostess that I talk earlier with.
Everything was fine until we got to the room, then she turned to what I call bad pro attitude on me.
O well we did the deed for a while but i couldn’t finished, so after a while she got tired and wanted to go (her friend didn’t have the key to there room…ooops! that was a new one :0 , and I didn’t try to do anything about that, the fun factor was gone anyway , thank you and good bye. (Well thanks for nothing I meant but didn’t say)
Felt like a wasted day/night,:( but that’s life.
Should have gone to Honey Pot, that was the plan erlier..
Anyway I really felt I needed a good night sleep and I can’t be lucky every night with the girls.
There is always a hit and miss factor, and how fun and good the girls seems to be in the bar I have done misses in every trip.
Thai BF, panic for money and so on, some factors that is not so easy to find out always, but can destroy a night that looks to have good potential.
Back to flirting with the not so good looking service personals, they usually provide good info about the girls.
End part 2
TH
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Long before the trip to Pattaya, I arranged over the Internet for a driver to pick me up at the airport. He didn’t show up. No problem. The taxi queue on the first floor, even very late at night, was quick and convenient for the same price I had negotiated, so I learned that there is no great need to plan such transportation in advance.
For my return trip to BKK airport from Pattaya, I contracted a day in advance with one of those ubiquitous 800b taxi services found on 2nd Rd only a few blocks from my hotel. A cab was to pick me up at 4:00 a.m. and have me at the airport at 5:30 a.m. in plenty of time to catch my 6:40 a.m. flight. The driver arrived at my hotel 45 minutes late. He raced me to the airport. It was now 6:10 a.m. The check in counter had been closed for the last 15 minutes. No one was there.
I missed my flight. My plane would not take off for another half an hour, yet I had to sit around helplessly with a shitty feeling in the pit of my gut until it finally left without me. What to do now? My 30 day visa would expire today. I would be forced to overstay my visa. I imagined myself checking into the Bangkok Hilton in handcuffs. I was tired and sweaty and mad. Fucking Thai taxi idiots, I thought. When I calmed down and resigned myself to the fact that I was fucked, I called my little TG sweetheart to tell her the news and ask her to check if my hotel could put me up for another night. Not only did she do that, but she went there herself without my asking and put up 1200b of her own money to reserve the room for me. Unbelievable!
Then I found The United Airlines office at the airport and inquired about another flight. I was told to call the Bangkok downtown reservations office. They told me that a one way ticket on a flight the next morning would cost me another $1,000 USD. Shit. But later, I found an agent at the UA check in counter who put me on the standby list for the next day’s flight at no extra charge. I would have to show up at 3:50 a.m. though, and wait around for 3 hours hoping for an empty seat. So I called the sweetheart again to tell her that I would be staying in Bangkok that night. She called me back later to say that the hotel would not return her deposit. I had to call the hotel and beg them until they finally agreed to return her money. Fucking Thai taxi idiots, I thought.
The airport has a hotel reservations desk where I was able to find an inexpensive room at the Rex on Soi 52 near the BTS Sky Train. I found myself there at 10:30 a.m. wondering what to do with the rest of the day. Then I remembered that Livingstone’s Lodge, where I stayed last fall, was on Soi 33, so I walked the few blocks over there, stopped at the front desk of his fine establishment, and asked to see the Boss Man. Out of his office stepped the dapper and redoubtable Mr. G, whom I had never met. I introduced myself and told him: “I missed my flight so decided to come see you.” We walked over to the pool where I ordered breakfast. Only one other fellow was sitting there. “Hey, Daddy,” he said. It was a good buddy I’d met in Pattaya last October. Then Mr. G sat down with the two of us and spent the next few hours of his valuable time telling stories and answering questions about Thailand, women, life, and mongering. Thanks for your hospitality, Giotto.
Missing my flight wasn’t quite so bad after all.
Regards, Daddy
M P Lurker
04-06-07, 04:35
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For my return trip to BKK airport from Pattaya, I contracted a day in advance with one of those ubiquitous 800b taxi services found on 2nd Rd only a few blocks from my hotel. A cab was to pick me up at 4:00 a.m. and have me at the airport at 5:30 a.m. in plenty of time to catch my 6:40 a.m. flight. The driver arrived at my hotel 45 minutes late. He raced me to the airport. It was now 6:10 a.m. The check in counter had been closed for the last 15 minutes. No one was there.
I missed my flight. <cut>
Regards, Daddy
I would be surprised if you couldn't easily find a Taxi on the spur of the moment who be more than happy to take you to the BKK Airport for the right price. Normally the hotel could help arrange this as well but the risk would be that they would contact a mate who would also show up too slowly.
Better to go outside and grab a taxi yourself.
So I would say if the arranged taxi doesn't show up on time, dump it quickly, especially if your schedule was a bit tight which it seems it was.
Running out of Visa is not that serious. Its just a fine to be paid on a per day basis. Can be expensive if many dyas over stayed.
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Nice post me lad,
Glads zee Buffalo bar improve on lady selection.
Me last time there all me saw were Buffalos at zee bar. Couldnt escape fast e-nuff.
pirate1
Pirate, I'm not being pompous, but would you mind posting in English please?
Daddy, You left this a bit tight. I have heard countless horror stories like this of cab men turning up late and too pissed to drive. Even arriving at 5.30 would have bene tight. I think it is best to hit the road real early and give 3 hours for check in (if flying monky class) and 3 hours for the cab, with a back up with only 2 to go.
My solution is simpler. I have a female cab driver on tap and I will make a stop over in a Jomtien short time hotel. Total cost 300 baht for hotel plus 1000 for cab plus possible tip. Even at that, I will have the change for a new cab if she fucks up. Another problem is what if the cab driver gets a flat and has no spare tyre. It is a long way back to the airport and a lot can go wrong in a Third World country.
I got picked up at the airport for 1,200 baht. Here is the firm I normally use.
http://www.bb-lets.com
Thanks for that. It seems like very good value, I have added that sight to my favourites for my next trip.
Pete
Just returned from yet another three week visit in the LOS and spent a week of that time in Pattaya.
I was hooked up with my Thai girlfriend for the duration and (at her suggestion) met her in Pattaya as we wanted to travel on to Ko Samet.
Well for a number of reasons we ended up staying a week at Pattaya before changing plans and flying on up to Chiang Rai.
We booked into a cheap but very clean and modern hotel called the Bella Vista situated between Soi 7 and Soi 8 for 780 baht per night, though this comes down to 650 per night if you book 7 nights or more. I have stayed in much more expensive hotels before but for price and location this is not a bad alternative.
Well second night in to our stay me and the girlfriend had a row culminating in her leaving and going back to Bangkok. Although I was upset over the argument I could not help feeling a slight twinge of excitement as this now gave me the opportunity to enjoy some fun.
That night I headed up to Walking Street and pulled a tiny 19 year old girl from the bar just on the right as you enter walking street. I finished my beer in rather a hurry, paid the bar fine and headed back to the hotel for some exercise. I was really disappointed since she wouldn't do anything other than lie on her back and no oral even with a condom. She was basically a waste of time, money and effort and when the condom split open inside her and she started running for the bathroom, I didn't feel any sympathy for her.
My girlfriend and I spoke on the phone the following morning and we made up and she told me she would return to Pattaya by bus from BKK that same day. I spent time cleaning the room and removing all evidence of my sins before she arrived (or so I thought)
The one thing I did miss and probably the most obvious was the used shower cap in the bathroom, which my girlfriend discovered that night whislt taking a shower. Now if I didn't have a number 1 haircut, (where it still grows), I could have perhaps got away with saying I had used it, but that was a non starter.
I stood there trying not to look guilty and blamed it on the cleaner who I suggested must have taken a free shower whilst she was cleaning the room. ( It was my intention to slip the cleaner a 1000 baht note and ask her to admit this crime to my girlfriend later).
Unbeknown to me my girlfriend then went and spoke to the security guard of the hotel who not only told her I had taken a lady to my room, but even described what she was wearing.
This is what we call in the UK as "being caught with your pants down". Faced with overwhelming evidence implicating me in this crime, I then swore that I had not had sex with the lady. Yes I had brought her to my room and let her shower, but as I told my girlfriend, I then realised how much I loved her and couldn't go through with it. I paid the girl and sent her on her way. Anyway I tried to look as sincere as I could whilst lying through my teeth and it just about got me off the hook.
I then complained to the receptionist about the security guard who then denied everything. To be frank this is the last time I will ever stay there again, they committed the cardinal sin of indiscresion.
Do you guys think it is worth complaining to the head office, not that I expect anything will come over it?
Mortman,
I got a kick out of your story mostly because I can relate as I endured a similar incident a while ago with the proverbial shower cap. I was a little more coy in my explanation and just used "me lo" to answer her as I didn't want a long term commitment from that girl anyway, beside what else could I say? Complaining to the head office may generate an apology, but if the SG is denying it, what more can they do? The damage is already done just remember the shower cap next time, excellent story though.
Do you guys think it is worth complaining to the head office, not that I expect anything will come over it?
Part 3
After some sun bathing in the pool area and eating I went out to grab a beer.
Ended up at 2 road in a beer bar, with a local expat (who talk Thai) and BG that had a sister married a guy from my home country and did talk really good English..
Interesting discussions about Thais and there ways, especially the BF ways he pointed out.
Anyway I am a butterfly only here for a short holidays so back to business.
Sabailand opens 14 00 and provide a decent amount of girls at that point.
Picket a slim hot looking girl from BKK that as soon we got in the room started negotiate the tip and service lever.
Settled with 500 (+ the 1650 I think) extra for a BBJ.
She provided a good session and finished me with a BBJ as we agreed on, and I can’t complain.
She took my number and wanted to hook up with me the day after, well I don’t think I am here then but.
After that I decided to take the long walk from there, along the 2 road to the WS.
I won’t do that again.
There is a lot of bars around here to.
Around soi pattayaland I got hungry and walk down to an Italian restaurant that served a OK pasta pesto.
If someone wants to eat pasta where smoking is forbidden, this is a good restaurant.
Think it’s a hotel connected.
After that, there was 2 gogos further down that was open (close the beach road time around 16-17 00) so I step in to one and it was packet with customers.
Had a beer (not so good looking girls) and walk to the gogo on opposite street (Fare East Rock was the name of that one)
That one was also packet but had better looking girls.
Ended up drinking with a cool, heavy tattooed girl with piercing everywhere and I do mean EVERYWHERE, hehe.
I have always wanted to do a girl like that, but I felt little finished to ST here at that point.
Maybe I will extend my stay here a day just to try here out.
Well I can smell myself and it’s not a good smell (a long walk) so back to the hotel and fresh up.
Being the last day according to my game plan I wanted a really hot one for the night.
First step Kitten club and check if the hot one there is available.
Ended with 2 beers (happy hour) and no hot girls.
Peppermint
Maybe double up with the blond one and here friend.
But she wasn’t there.
Paris a gogo.
Had some hot girls but I got hooked with a hart broken girl that didn’t want to leave me alone and jabjab about here farang BF that have dump here for another.
Well not my idea of a fun night, even if she was hot so I couldn’t stand to hear her jabbing.
Time to move
Took the mc taxi to a bar where I spotted a hot one earlier this trip.
Ended up drinking with a hostess and there she was, much hotter than I remember.
She was some sort of coyote dancer at that place and a damn hot one.
Some small eye contact flirting, and when my drinking partner had to go and serve some old customer, friends she slides over and wow!
That was something different than the normal BGs, educated in school in a western country and a communication level fare from the other BGs.
She actually had something to talk about, worth listening to.
Anyway around 24 00 we left the bar, and I had a feeling that this was a starfish in the room.
Boy was I wrong.
05 00 I had to get up from bed with shaky legs to drink some water.
Over viewing the room it looked like a bad B porn movie, used condoms everywhere, one hanging on the bed light.
It happened ones I my live that the sex was as perfect the first time like this was (a good girl back home)…no this was better.
Game plan was changed and I don’t have anything else to report from this trip.
I (we) Stayed most of the time in the hotel room and out eating some delicious Thai dishes in places that I can’t give description to,( sorry for that) with this charming, romantic TG.
One of a kind, I would never expected to find something like this in a bar in PTY,
Didn’t even se the beach road or WS from that point, well it was worth it and I had a great time with here.
My game plan to do soi Thynaia and sio33 in BKK will have to wait for my next trip, well unless she is still in biz, but it would surprise me a lot if she is.
If I wasn’t a monger and she a BG then I would have given that one a shot.
But then again who knows about the future, I have learned to never make plans when I am in LOS, they always changes anyway.
End of report.
TH
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Mortman,
Great story. Another thing we sometimes miss is the towels. I try to get another set from house keeping after I check in. Also these girls are very careless when it comes to disposing of the condom wrappers and on occasion, the condoms themselves. Had a Gf who counted the condoms too.
Mortman,
I had a similar experience with the reception at the Eastiny Inn on Soi 8. I had a girl who became a very steady girlfriend who admitted to me that reception was more than happy to tell her about my exploits with other girls when she wasn't around. Fortunately, we didn't have any commitment at the time, but I wasn't happy to hear that these bastards were busting me out at any turn.
She told me which girl it was that was running her mouth and the funny thing is I almost knew it before she told me. I had a sense that broad was a snitch. I actually ended up marching downstairs and confronting that *****. I essentially said that she had no business running her mouth. In very typical, lazy, resentful, complacent, receptionist style she said something like, "no sir, I don't know what you're talking about, why you speak rude to me. I don't care for you?" I really couldn't believe her response. I told her, "you are the one who is rude. Why do I have to speak to you first while you sit there and act lazy? I am your customer and you have no right to interfere with my business. I will be watching you." I left it at that knowing she may not have understood everything I said, but got the jist of it.
The lesson here is that Thais like to gossip. They are fantastic people and this doesn't take away from that, but I have learned this the hard way over the past six years. This is the reality in a place like Pattaya. My advice is either drop the girl or be a good boy. Like they say, "the walls have eye".
J Ride
-By the way, I'm staying at the Eastiny Inn again on my next trip. I dropped that shit-ass girlfriend and it's a great location - what can I say...
Yes. You are very right. Thais love gossip and also remember when and if you take a girl from a particular gogo or beer bar you will become public information. They love to talk about you ie. good or bad in the sack, small or big dick, last only 30 sec. to 1 minute, if you smell, snore, etc....This applies to anyone and if you are a good "man" then it may be beneficial. If not.... who knows.
The front desk employees telling your business is BS. I agree.
Does anyone know of a good overview of Pattaya for a newbie? (maybe something online - a website) I've been there a couple of times and I know about the go-go bars there, and also aware of some of the massage parlours and discos... but always feel a bit lost, as if there must be more to this place than what I'm seeing. OK yes the beer bars, of course you can't miss those. Is that it?
thanks
Kurtweiler
04-08-07, 08:15
Does anyone know of a good newbie overview of Pattaya (maybe online - a website)? I've been there a couple of times and I know about the go-go bars there, and also aware of some of the massage parlours and discos... but always feel a bit lost, as if there must be more to this place than what I'm seeing. OK yes the beer bars, of course you can't miss those. Is that it?
thankshttp://www.thaianxiety.com/barspatt.asp
OK sorry I guess I should have phrased that better. I'm not looking for jet skiing and crocodile farms. Yes, girls.
What I've seen on offer is the bar beers that are everywhere. Not really my favorite, I have to admit. I see there are go-go bars mainly in one general area. And a few massage places around town. And Marine Disco as a freelance pickup spot. Is this it? Is there any other major category that I'm missing?
Now about go-go bars, are there more or fewer in Pattaya than in Nana or Patpong or Cowboy in Bangkok? (in terms of total numbers) And how do the Pattaya ones measure up vs BKK in terms of quality of the girls? I've heard in Pattaya they stay open later -- is that true? What's closing time in Pattaya these days?
OK sorry I guess I should have phrased that better. I'm not looking for jet skiing and crocodile farms. Yes, girls.
What I've seen on offer is the bar beers that are everywhere. Not really my favorite, I have to admit. I see there are go-go bars mainly in one general area. And a few massage places around town. And Marine Disco as a freelance pickup spot. Is this it? Is there any other major category that I'm missing?
Now about go-go bars, are there more or fewer in Pattaya than in Nana or Patpong or Cowboy in Bangkok? (in terms of total numbers) And how do the Pattaya ones measure up vs BKK in terms of quality of the girls? I've heard in Pattaya they stay open later -- is that true? What's closing time in Pattaya these days?
I have just returned from a three week stint in LOS and as usual spent some of that time in Pattaya. Even as a Pattaya veteran, I still learn something new each time I go. However you have probably covered most of the options, beer bars, massage parlours, go go bars, disco's for free lancers and not forgetting the Beach Road which can occasionally reveal a hidden jem or two. I actually think that the quality of girls is better in Pattaya than Bangkok simply because there is much more choice and competition in Pattaya.
I am not a regular frequenter of go go bars but there seems to be plenty to choose from in Pattaya though I reckon for its sheer size Bangkok must win in terms of numbers.
I think it is a shame that you seem to have rejected the idea of beer bars over go go bars as I have found that prices are much more expensive in the go go bars and many of the beer bar girls will match or exceed go go girls in terms of looks and performance and value for money, but each to his own I say.
Closing time in Pattaya for the beer bars is officially 1am though this means they turn the music down and carry on as normal. I went to Lucifers Disco on Walking Street and I seem to remember that it is 3am closing for the disco's though my recollection may be impaired due to Singha memory loss.
Mortman
I can sympathise about showercap situation as i had same thing happen a couple of years ago.
I had been seeing a cutie for a few days and wanted a break for a night.
I told her i needed a quite night on my own and would see her the day after. I thought i had cleaned the room of all evidence the next day, after she'd had a sniff around and hadn't said anything.
Then she walked out of the bathroom with the showercap in her hand.
I had a bit of hair at the time and said I had used it.
I thought that was a good enough explanation until she pointed out the hair dye stains in it.
All I could manage was up to you. The thought of missing a regular bar fine and long time payment allowed her to forgive me.
The hotel gossip I can relate to also.
I stayed at the eastiny four or five times over a couple of years.
I usually butterfly when I first get there and if I find something I like I might stay with them for a week or so.
I used to spend a bit of time at the pool bar, usually eating late breakfast and sometime a late lunch therebefore going out for a late night.
If I had someone stay for a few days they would usually join me for breakfast.
I had often noticed a change in their mood at times but thats not unusual for a BG.
The last time I was there I found a lady I liked more than most and did the usual things including visiting the pool bar. I ended up sponsering her for a short time and on my next trip organised to go to Pattaya.
She said fine but we no stay Eastiny. I was a bit shocked as she didn't often give opinions on things like that!
After inquiring as to what was wrong with Eastiny she proceeded to tell me about the gossip from the girls at the pool.
She knew about all the girls I had had on the trip when I first met her, and had also been informed about a couple of threesomes I had had at the hotel on trips prior to even meeting her.
Seems the pool girls got told about all the goings on of the night and the mornings from the cleaners and receptionists.
The same TG also pointed out a couple of bar girls I had been with, prior to her even working in Pattaya. One even informed her to "watch out" I think he take tablet he boom boom long time.
I know that probably happens at all hotels but I have never stayed at Eastiny again, and won't be when I return in a few weeks.
Nowadays I am pleasant to hotel staff but don't get to familiar with them.
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Bill Miami
04-10-07, 00:32
ok sorry i guess i should have phrased that better. i'm not looking for jet skiing and crocodile farms. yes, girls.
what i've seen on offer is the bar beers that are everywhere. not really my favorite, i have to admit. i see there are go-go bars mainly in one general area. and a few massage places around town. and marine disco as a freelance pickup spot. is this it? is there any other major category that i'm missing?
now about go-go bars, are there more or fewer in pattaya than in nana or patpong or cowboy in bangkok? (in terms of total numbers) and how do the pattaya ones measure up vs bkk in terms of quality of the girls? i've heard in pattaya they stay open later -- is that true? what's closing time in pattaya these days?
there are more go go bars on walking street alone than nana, cowboy and patpong combined. and that does not count the other 50 or so rep001tered about the rest of the town. there are even two new go go bars on soi 6, like it needed it. they aren’t very good though. but, one of the owners spent a ton of money on his place and has plenty of girls working there. the bar is really nice, hopefully in the future the girls will be up to the quality of the bar.
Buttman Returns
04-10-07, 11:29
G'day mates,
Could anyone please advise what the best places to find freelancers are? (including location, if possible)
Going in June. Does that mean that there are less of them around?
Also, what's the price range for freelancers these days?
Cheers!
When in BKK, I'm usually at Nana... a couple of bars I've liked there more in recent years were Playschool and Rainbow 3. I tend to go for the stunner end of the scale. Are there many bars in Pattaya that measure up to those? Where you'd have a good chance of spotting one that makes your jaw drop? It sounds like there must be, if there's as many as you say there are.
About beer bars, I just have had much better luck finding something I like in go-gos. I rarely see a girl at a beer bar that makes me say Wow. But it's been awhile, things change, so I could be wrong. Maybe will take a walk around and check them out next time there.
About the pirate, I think his feelings get hurt when people point out the way he talks.
Do you guys think it is worth complaining to the head office, not that I expect anything will come over it?Mort
I think the security guard has been a very naughty boy indeed, but probably got an incredible amount of satisfaction in putting one over you.
As for the girlfriend, if she can't deal with you entertaining yourself on nights she decides to flounce off in a huff, then find a girl who can. If she doesn't like it, then find one who does. If she doesn't like it, then find one who does. If she doesn't like it then find one who does, if she doesn't like it then find one who does, if she doesn't like it then find one who does, and if she doesn't like it then find one who does, ad infinitum.
Can someone advise me re taking a bus from the new BKK airport to Pattaya; or from Pattaya back to the airport? I always take a taxi but this May I have to go back and forth a few times and it could get pricey.
Is there a decent bus service between BKK (the new airport) and Pattaya?
Any info will be appreciated.
Thanks,
LJ
Can someone advise me re taking a bus from the new BKK airport to Pattaya; or from Pattaya back to the airport? I always take a taxi but this May I have to go back and forth a few times and it could get pricey.
Is there a decent bus service between BKK (the new airport) and Pattaya?
Any info will be appreciated.
Thanks,
LJI'd find it helpful if someone could provide quick overview on various options for getting from the new airport to Pattaya. I made the trip many times from old airport, and generally used limo/taxi. But first experience with new airport is coming up next month and I'm unsure what to expect.
Any info on price, travel time, pick-up locations, options, comparisons with old system, etc. would be greatly appreciated.
Can someone advise me re taking a bus from the new BKK airport to Pattaya; or from Pattaya back to the airport? I always take a taxi but this May I have to go back and forth a few times and it could get pricey.
Is there a decent bus service between BKK (the new airport) and Pattaya?
Any info will be appreciated.
Thanks,
LJ
Ljohnson
I made enquiries when I was at the airport last week. Apparently there is no bus service from the airport direct to Pattaya, you have to first catch the bus to Ekamai Station, change there and then get the bus to Pattaya. Total cost of both buses is around 280 baht. If you do as I have suggested before, wait around the taxi rank for other falang on their way to Pattaya and ask if you can share. This brings down the cost considerably, especially if three of you share and probably halves the time of your journey.
I caught the bus from the airport to Ekamai and it is slow and labourious and took me over an hour to get there.
The bus to Ekamai is located on the ground floor (officially called the 1st floor). You buy your ticket from the booth and walk outside to the bus.
Good Luck
Can someone advise me re taking a bus from the new BKK airport to Pattaya; or from Pattaya back to the airport?
The following info is courtesy of the pattaya expats club http://pattayaexpatsclub
Transportation to/from Suvarnabhumi Airport:
Roong Reung's Blue and White coach service departs from the airport bus depot to Pattaya Nua station at the following times: 8 AM, 11 AM, 3 PM and 7 PM. The Ticket office window is in the airport bus station. Price 106 Baht. Bell Travel goes up to the new airport each day from Pattaya Nua Bus Station (ticket office bungalow in the car park to right) at 06:00, 09:00, 11:00, 13:00, 15:00, 17:00 and 19:00. Two ticket prices, depending if you book to be picked up by Bell Travel minibus from your home, 150 Baht or 200 Baht.
A Yellow Bus to the airport leaves from Jomtien's Chaiyaphuk Road, (the office is near Beach Road). Tickets can be purchased 1 day in advance. The current schedule is:
Pattaya to Airport: 0630, 0900, 1300, 1700, 1930.
Airport to Pattaya: 0630, 0900, 1300, 1700, 2030.
At the airport - Transport Depot - this bus to Jomtien is referred to as number 999, but the bus itself does NOT carry this number. The bus is bright Yellow - single deck, with the words Pattaya - Suvarnabhumi Airport written large on both sides, and a large notice in the drivers windshield saying either Pattaya or Airport. The cost is 106 baht in each direction. A recent visitor who used this bus reported a 'good service'. The yellow bus does not have a scheduled stop in Pattaya, but will stop if requested.
The following info is courtesy of the pattaya expats club http://pattayaexpatsclub
Transportation to/from Suvarnabhumi Airport:
Roong Reung's Blue and White coach service departs from the airport bus depot to Pattaya Nua station at the following times: 8 AM, 11 AM, 3 PM and 7 PM. The Ticket office window is in the airport bus station. Price 106 Baht. Bell Travel goes up to the new airport each day from Pattaya Nua Bus Station (ticket office bungalow in the car park to right) at 06:00, 09:00, 11:00, 13:00, 15:00, 17:00 and 19:00. Two ticket prices, depending if you book to be picked up by Bell Travel minibus from your home, 150 Baht or 200 Baht.
A Yellow Bus to the airport leaves from Jomtien's Chaiyaphuk Road, (the office is near Beach Road). Tickets can be purchased 1 day in advance. The current schedule is:
Pattaya to Airport: 0630, 0900, 1300, 1700, 1930.
Airport to Pattaya: 0630, 0900, 1300, 1700, 2030.
At the airport - Transport Depot - this bus to Jomtien is referred to as number 999, but the bus itself does NOT carry this number. The bus is bright Yellow - single deck, with the words Pattaya - Suvarnabhumi Airport written large on both sides, and a large notice in the drivers windshield saying either Pattaya or Airport. The cost is 106 baht in each direction. A recent visitor who used this bus reported a 'good service'. The yellow bus does not have a scheduled stop in Pattaya, but will stop if requested.
Good info,wish I had spoke to you before my last trip!!
There are buses to Pattaya from the new BKK airport but they only run every 3 hours or so and the latest I think is 6 pm. I thought the price was 150 Bhat last fall.
There is a public bus 552 from the new BKK airport which you can find info from the Thai airport BKK website that connects to the On Nut BTS station. As I recall the bus runs every 20 minutes or so and the price is arund 35 Bhat. When I took the bus at 3 pm on a weekday the bus took around 1/2 hour but other poeple on the bus seem that during peak rush hour the bus may take up to an hour. I was traveling to my hotel in BKK and not going to Ekamai but it's only a couple stops away from On Nut to Ekamai. I'v I've also taken the bus in the reverse direction from OnNut to the New BKK Airport. It looks like there is 556 Bus that goes to the Sothern Bus Terminal, presumably Ekamai. The 552 bus still may be faster because you can take part of the way on the BTS during heavy traffic conjestion. There is a bus 389 which goes to Pattaya but only a few times per day.
http://www.bangkokairportonline.com/node/56
Ljohnson
I made enquiries when I was at the airport last week. Apparently there is no bus service from the airport direct to Pattaya, you have to first catch the bus to Ekamai Station,
Good Luck
Apart from backpackers who are on a tight tight budget and travel everywhere as cheaply as possible (which I have done), why would a seasoned monger traveling to the LOS for a couple of weeks P4P not just take a taxi direct for B1000?
It's quick, comfortable and doesn't exactly break the bank. There is nothing better IMHO than getting out the airport into that humidity and jumping straight into an aircon taxi, asking the driver to put on whatever CD you want to listen to (if you take a few with you) and reading your fave book or a good mag, knowing that from the new airport it's a mere 130KM away and on a good run, a mere hour and a half, door to door. Plus if you need to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) or feel hungry and want to pull over and grab a bite to eat, you are at liberty to do so.
But each to their own. Where I may be so frivolous as to splash out on a taxi, I try and stay within the confines of the much discussed going rates for sexual activity. Others who shirk at the thought of taxi-ing down from BKK will happily pay B1000+ for ST. So horses for courses I'd say.
Plus, you can catch a cold from all those germs on public transport.
Freeman 418
04-12-07, 11:48
There were definitely buses from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya when I was there last month. There was a bus company stand right near the taxi area on the lower floor (next to the food court).
For a bit of adventure, I went from Ekkamai station to Pattaya last time (cheap, 120bt) .. I won't be doing it again. For start, the bus stopped at every small stop on the way out of BKK, and it took about 3+ hours to get there. I had friends who took a bus from Mo Chit, which was much faster.
There are buses to Pattaya from the new BKK airport but they only run every 3 hours or so and the latest I think is 6 pm. I thought the price was 150 Bhat last fall.
There is a public bus 552 from the new BKK airport which you can find info from the Thai airport BKK website that connects to the On Nut BTS station. As I recall the bus runs every 20 minutes or so and the price is arund 35 Bhat. When I took the bus at 3 pm on a weekday the bus took around 1/2 hour but other poeple on the bus seem that during peak rush hour the bus may take up to an hour. I was traveling to my hotel in BKK and not going to Ekamai but it's only a couple stops away from On Nut to Ekamai. I'v I've also taken the bus in the reverse direction from OnNut to the New BKK Airport. It looks like there is 556 Bus that goes to the Sothern Bus Terminal, presumably Ekamai. The 552 bus still may be faster because you can take part of the way on the BTS during heavy traffic conjestion. There is a bus 389 which goes to Pattaya but only a few times per day.
http://www.bangkokairportonline.com/node/56
Freeman - you obviously DON'T READ THE FORUM - there are TWO (2) bus "classes" that run from Ekkamai to Pattaya EACH easily recognizable by COLOR. The "blue and white" runs "direct" - leave the terminal and you don't stop until you get to PATTAYA (coming back they WILL stop at Onnut IF ASKED - but unless it's a "non-direct bus" - and I have been on a couple that stop on the way to Morchit - they DO NOT STOP INBOUND) Now, on the other had - there is the bus WITH THE ORANGE STRIPE. That's the "airconditioned local" bus - running every street making every stop at EVERY wide spot in the road right thru Chonburi and down Sukhumwit until the get to Pattaya (and let you off at NORTH ROAD, CENTRAL ROAD or SOUTH ROAD - where you must fend for yourself to getthe rest of the way (songtaew is th easiest - cross Suk, wait by the side of the road and a bhat bus will be coming by - wave and they stop)
BLUE-WHITE-ORANGE takes 3+ hours BLUE-WHITE takes about 2 hours
For "airport direct only" service, you can get a bus direct P'ya-BKK Suvanbhoumi at as late as 5 IIRC (go to the bus station and the building at the back of the "exit" on the right - that's the airport bus office and where they leave from) Coming P'ya from BKK they leave at 9am, noon 3 and 6 I THINK (since I don't get "in" at those times, it's pretty much a "non-starter" for me)
Sorry to abruptly interrupt your scintillating discussion of buses here on the International Bus Guide forum.... but... I was hoping to get some info about some go-go bars in Pattaya.... but not ones that have buses in them, only girls. Maybe this is boring to some of you but... I'll try one more time.
Does Pattaya have bars these days that measure up to ones like Playschool or Rainbow 3 in Nana Plaza in Bangkok? I haven't been to Pattaya in about 4 years, and I never found any back then that were nearly as good as the best ones in Bangkok. But things change.
Looks like you cannot wait to get to Pattaya, is it?
Happens with everyone I am real excited too I will be there on the 22nd, cannot wait for the days to pass by, every second is killing, go on to walking street and you will find numerous bars, I would say the bars in pattya are better than the ones in NEP as they atleast have topless shows, or full nude, one thing I really like, something missing in the whole of Bangkok, numerous bars including club boseche's, angel witch, cats (wild), and lots many more, just get there and browse thru them, asking questions will not take you there, they are avialble by plenty.
Take care
Sorry to abruptly interrupt your scintillating discussion of buses here on the International Bus Guide forum. But. I was hoping to get some info about some go-go bars in Pattaya. But not ones that have buses in them, only girls. Maybe this is boring to some of you but. I'll try one more time.
Does Pattaya have bars these days that measure up to ones like Playschool or Rainbow 3 in Nana Plaza in Bangkok? I haven't been to Pattaya in about 4 years, and I never found any back then that were nearly as good as the best ones in Bangkok. But things change.
Sure - most of the places on Walking Street are "decent" some are better than others. Prices are generally lower than in Grungthep. RTFF for Pattaya - it's mostly there - the good the bad the ugly
SidTheSexist
04-13-07, 06:34
Apart from backpackers who are on a tight tight budget and travel everywhere as cheaply as possible (which I have done), why would a seasoned monger traveling to the LOS for a couple of weeks P4P not just take a taxi direct for B1000?It's quick, comfortable and doesn't exactly break the bank. There is nothing better IMHO than getting out the airport into that humidity and jumping straight into an aircon taxi, asking the driver to put on whatever CD you want to listen to (if you take a few with you) and reading your fave book or a good mag, knowing that from the new airport it's a mere 130KM away and on a good run, a mere hour and a half, door to door. Plus if you need to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) or feel hungry and want to pull over and grab a bite to eat, you are at liberty to do so.But each to their own. Where I may be so frivolous as to splash out on a taxi, I try and stay within the confines of the much discussed going rates for sexual activity. Others who shirk at the thought of taxi-ing down from BKK will happily pay B1000+ for ST. So horses for courses I'd say. Plus, you can catch a cold from all those germs on public transport.Certainly a Report of Distinction if ever Ive seen one!
sid
Buttman Returns
04-13-07, 16:16
Sorry to abruptly interrupt your scintillating discussion of buses here on the International Bus Guide forum. But. I was hoping to get some info about some go-go bars in Pattaya. But not ones that have buses in them, only girls. Maybe this is boring to some of you but. I'll try one more time.Well spoken, mate!
I'll try again as well. Can anyone recommend best places for freelancers and going prices?
Cheers!
Chiefsizzle
04-13-07, 23:58
here are my first impressions of pattaya after two nights. i will be staying here for another 4 nights.
a little about myself, 29, asian, tall, been to los 4 times and spent most of my time on koh samu but first visit to pattaya.
* walking street has loads of beer bars and go go bars. especially in the smaller side streets. my favourites so far is the beach club and peppermint. both these places have draft beer for 55b, lady drink 99b, bf 600b. ladies are mostly young and fit. bf is also amongst the highest i have seen. peppermint has a cage with naked girls, another stage for topless and a big stage for regular bikini. the marine disco club gets packed after 2am. i agree with other posters that there are many fls there, but there are also equally many tourists. so i would say the balance is 50/50. drinks are expensive, cheapest is chang for 155b.
i have yet to see angelwich and secrets which i have heard may be good. will report on these later.
* soi 13/4, kitten club. fancy renovations inside, bathtub with naked dancing girls. saw one guy go inside with underwear and a girl pretends to ride him inside for a good 15 minutes. ladies not as good as beach club and peppermint, but bf ranged from 600b to 1000b! also, draft beer is 90b. i peeked into the classroom and prices are the same. i don't see the value of going to this soi. i thought prices are supposed to be lower away from walking street.
* soi 8, plenty open beer bars. 2 go go bars. went into one of them. it was not bad, had lots of people. 500b bf, friendly servers and dancers. some good lookers
* beach road, walked along around 2am. maybe it was too late, but fls were few and didn't see any good lookers.
* blue lagoon near walking street along beach road. some nice girls, 600b bf but 40b chang draft. more pressure than i'd like to buy ld.
overall, the bf prices appear to be the same on walking street as away from walking street. but i would say the best girls work in walking street so that doesn't add up in my mind. soi 13/4 i felt presented the least value.
Chiefsizzle
04-14-07, 01:36
here are my first impressions of pattaya after two nights. i will be staying here for another 4 nights.
a little about myself, 29, asian, tall, been to los 4 times and spent most of my time on koh samu but first visit to pattaya.
* walking street has loads of beer bars and go go bars. especially in the smaller side streets. my favourites so far is the beach club and peppermint. both these places have draft beer for 55b, lady drink 99b, bf 600b. ladies are mostly young and fit. bf is also amongst the highest i have seen. peppermint has a cage with naked girls, another stage for topless and a big stage for regular bikini. the marine disco club gets packed after 2am. i agree with other posters that there are many fls there, but there are also equally many tourists. so i would say the balance is 50/50. drinks are expensive, cheapest is chang for 155b.
i have yet to see angelwich and secrets which i have heard may be good. will report on these later.
* soi 13/4, kitten club. fancy renovations inside, bathtub with naked dancing girls. saw one guy go inside with underwear and a girl pretends to ride him inside for a good 15 minutes. ladies not as good as beach club and peppermint, but bf ranged from 600b to 1000b! also, draft beer is 90b. i peeked into the classroom and prices are the same. i don't see the value of going to this soi. i thought prices are supposed to be lower away from walking street.
* soi 8, plenty open beer bars. 2 go go bars. went into one of them. it was not bad, had lots of people. 500b bf, friendly servers and dancers. some good lookers
* beach road, walked along around 2am. maybe it was too late, but fls were few and didn't see any good lookers.
* blue lagoon near walking street along beach road. some nice girls, 600b bf but 40b chang draft. more pressure than i'd like to buy ld.
overall, the bf prices appear to be the same on walking street as away from walking street. but i would say the best girls work in walking street so that doesn't add up in my mind. soi 13/4 i felt presented the least value.
Freeman - you obviously DON'T READ THE FORUM - there are TWO (2) bus "classes" that run from Ekkamai to Pattaya EACH easily recognizable by COLOR. The "blue and white" runs "direct" - leave the terminal and you don't stop until you get to PATTAYA (coming back they WILL stop at Onnut IF ASKED - but unless it's a "non-direct bus" - and I have been on a couple that stop on the way to Morchit - they DO NOT STOP INBOUND) Now, on the other had - there is the bus WITH THE ORANGE STRIPE. That's the "airconditioned local" bus - running every street making every stop at EVERY wide spot in the road right thru Chonburi and down Sukhumwit until the get to Pattaya (and let you off at NORTH ROAD, CENTRAL ROAD or SOUTH ROAD - where you must fend for yourself to getthe rest of the way (songtaew is th easiest - cross Suk, wait by the side of the road and a bhat bus will be coming by - wave and they stop)
BLUE-WHITE-ORANGE takes 3+ hours BLUE-WHITE takes about 2 hours
For "airport direct only" service, you can get a bus direct P'ya-BKK Suvanbhoumi at as late as 5 IIRC (go to the bus station and the building at the back of the "exit" on the right - that's the airport bus office and where they leave from) Coming P'ya from BKK they leave at 9am, noon 3 and 6 I THINK (since I don't get "in" at those times, it's pretty much a "non-starter" for me)
It was empty and on it's way out of the Ekemai terminal and they let us on. It took 4 hrs to get to the outskirts of Pattaya stopping and discharging passengers all the way. It had no toilet. Definately don't make that mistake.
the week following 3/17 they had a van right by the entrance of the walking street where they were administering drug tests (their signs stated it). they were doing it using blood as i guess it was too hard to give [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) tests in that little space they had cordoned off. they had mostly thai girls but i saw a number of very nervous (and phuked up looking) farhang waiting their turn. anybody know the scoop on that?
Doing drugs in Pattaya is not the best idea.
I used to regularly smoke the weed and use recreationals in Thailand. Thankfully, I have realised the cons outweigh the pro's. (There are enough pro's and cons in Pattaya already!!)
A very close friend is now spending a sejour in Chiang Mai, but doesn't have the opportunity to marvel at the breathtaking scenery. Is it worth it?
Is there a map of Pattaya that shows where the go-go bars are, preferably available online somewhere? I haven't been to Pattaya in 4 yrs, so I'm gonna have to practically start from scratch figuring out where the hot spots are actually located. Checking a map should be easier than asking where each of the bars I'm curious about are. I found one supposed nightlife map of Pattaya on the Nanaplaza website, but it's really bad at showing where the actual bars are.
Thanks
Is there a map of Pattaya that shows where the go-go bars are, preferably available online somewhere? I haven't been to Pattaya in 4 yrs, so I'm gonna have to practically start from scratch figuring out where the hot spots are actually located. Checking a map should be easier than asking where each of the bars I'm curious about are. I found one supposed nightlife map of Pattaya on the Nanaplaza website, but it's really bad at showing where the actual bars are.
ThanksWhat would a map of gogo bars be useful for without reviews? There are plenty in any given neighbourhood.
Is there a map of Pattaya that shows where the go-go bars are, preferably available online somewhere? I haven't been to Pattaya in 4 yrs, so I'm gonna have to practically start from scratch figuring out where the hot spots are actually located. Checking a map should be easier than asking where each of the bars I'm curious about are. I found one supposed nightlife map of Pattaya on the Nanaplaza website, but it's really bad at showing where the actual bars are.
ThanksGot a friend that have this site.
Hopefully it can give you some help
http://www.siammaps.com/
Recent post refers to barfines of 600 to 1,000 bht. Can this be correct? In Pattaya!
Been a couple of years since I've visited, but upcoming trip. Always liked Pattaya for what seemed like more economical prices and barfines than BKK, and 600-1000 is way over what I remember!
If BF is that high, how much are the girls expecting for LT?
Someone please tell me the 600-1000 BF is not really the case.
Recent post refers to barfines of 600 to 1,000 bht. Can this be correct? In Pattaya!
Been a couple of years since I've visited, but upcoming trip. Always liked Pattaya for what seemed like more economical prices and barfines than BKK, and 600-1000 is way over what I remember!
If BF is that high, how much are the girls expecting for LT?
Someone please tell me the 600-1000 BF is not really the case.
It is 600 in the Gogos and 200 in the beer bars (Some may ask more if you don't drink there).
For the girls:
In beer bars 1000 LT is no problem, in Gogos they may expect 2000.
Ralph Kramden
04-18-07, 15:12
Here is a link to a 4/18 article in the Online WSJ. Pattaya might be in for a long term change. If you can't open the link, then the article might be worth reading by buying a copy.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117683181609472846.html?mod=hps_us_editors_picks
Here is a link to a 4/18 article in the Online WSJ. Pattaya might be in for a long term change. If you can't open the link, then the article might be worth reading by buying a copy.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117683181609472846.html?mod=hps_us_editors_picks
The article is only available to subscribers of WSJ. Plus where would you get to buy a past issue of WSJ. And I doubt if most of us are going to run out to the local library.
So I would really appreciate it, if you could make a copy of it as a .pdf file and posting it as a down loadable article. Many thanks.
Evil Penivel
04-18-07, 17:02
Here is a link to a 4/18 article in the Online WSJ. Pattaya might be in for a long term change. If you can't open the link, then the article might be worth reading by buying a copy.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117683181609472846.html?mod=hps_us_editors_picks
Here's the full article:
Extreme Makeover for 'Red Light' City
Thai Resort Makes Push
For Wholesome Visitors,
But Is Area Too Far Gone?
By BRUCE STANLEY
April 18, 2007; Page B6
PATTAYA, Thailand -- Few cities have a raunchier reputation than the Thai beach resort of Pattaya.
This one-time fishing village, notorious as an R&R hot spot for U.S. servicemen during the Vietnam War, draws mostly male visitors from as far away as Europe and North America to its 1,000-plus girlie bars and go-go joints.
When ad agency Leo Burnett was asked to create a slogan for Pattaya, as part of its work in 2001 for the state-run Tourism Authority of Thailand, the firm came up with "Extreme City." Some city officials thought the phrase had a negative connotation and persuaded the mayor not to adopt it.
"In the past, anyone who valued their reputation would never admit to visiting there," says Paul Logan, a vice president for InterContinental Hotels Group Asia Pacific.
Now, thanks to Thailand's prosperity and the location of its new international airport, city officials believe that perceptions of Pattaya are ripe for change --and they've gone into overdrive to remake them. Pattaya now boasts a pair of slogans, both home-grown: "Fun Every Square Inch" and the mayor's own "City of Variety."
Local officials cite a rise in Pattaya's corporate conventions business, a crackdown on street crime and a widening array of wholesome activities, such as rock climbing and golf. Hotels are getting more guests from the flourishing industrial region east of Pattaya, and real-estate brokers say condominium prices in the city have jumped by 60% or more during the past five years.
High-end hotel chains such as Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide Inc., Accor SA and InterContinental are opening new properties here, and the city council has approved plans for a 92-floor office and residential tower that it says will be the tallest building in Thailand.
To spread the word about Pattaya's incipient transformation, city officials have taken a marketing effort that was almost nonexistent three years ago and amplified it into a roadshow to tour operators in major markets, including Russia, South Korea, China and Hong Kong.
Though modest, Pattaya's ad budget of $420,000 for the current fiscal year is 60% larger than two years ago, when Thailand was struggling to recover from the tourism-damping effects of the 2004 Asian tsunami.
The biggest boost to Pattaya's image and economy could come from Suvarnabhumi Airport, Thailand's new international gateway, which opened in September. Suvarnabhumi is a 90-minute drive from Pattaya -- an hour closer than its predecessor -- and some hoteliers are already seeing more business, in spite of troubles the airport is having with congestion and cracks in its taxiways. The Pattaya Marriott Resort & Spa credits Suvarnabhumi with a 10% increase in visits from foreign businessmen compared with last year.
Pattaya is hardly the first tainted place to strive for a new civic image. In the U.S., Las Vegas and New York's Times Square overcame unsavory reputations to become family destinations. But skeptics question whether Pattaya's reputation simply might be too far gone to salvage. "It would be the ultimate challenge," says Mike Amour, chairman and chief executive in the Asia-Pacific region for ad agency Grey Global Group Inc.
For one thing, crime remains a problem. Early one February morning, two Russian women were gunned down in their deck chairs while relaxing on a city beach. City officials say that police have arrested a Thai man for the killings, but his motive is still unclear. "We wish the world to know how bad the state of affairs is here in Pattaya," said the English-language Pattaya Daily News after posting lurid photos of the crime scene on its Web site.
City officials say they are tightening up on public safety by installing better radio equipment for police and beefing up security patrols with 16 new motorcycles and, to prowl the beaches, a golf cart. Pattaya has also installed 85 closed-circuit television cameras, many at key intersections downtown, and along some beachfront areas. Then there are the many hotels that charge a fee for women who join guests in their rooms for the night. At the Sheraton Pattaya Resort, this "joiner's fee" is about $25.
One visitor from a market Pattaya is trying to crack, Mehmet Fakioglu of Istanbul, recently made his first sojourn here. The minerals exporter said he and his wife "were shocked at what we saw. ... In Europe, you have cities with red-light areas. This whole city is red light." Prostitution isn't a crime in Thailand. Police in Pattaya are trying to keep flagrant solicitation away from family areas.
All over Pattaya are the contrasts of a town in transition. On the edge of the red-light district, a swank new Asian-European fusion restaurant called Mantra recently opened. Among the signature features of Accor's Pattaya Mercure are the condoms in every room's mini-bar, offered up in a red box that "matches the decor," General Manager Erwann Mahe proudly notes. At the same time, the Mercure's dozen "family suites" feature Sony PlayStations and cartoon wallpaper.
The Hard Rock Hotel Pattaya cultivates a family-friendly image with volleyball games in what it claims is Pattaya's biggest swimming pool -- just a few blocks from a string of bars leading to "Walking Street," the red-light district's main thoroughfare. Meanwhile, police make sweeps of streetwalkers on the beachfront, advising them to take classes in hairdressing or cooking at the "Fortune of Life Center" for vocational training near city hall.
The new push seems to be having some impact: Pattaya attracted 5.3 million hotel guests last year, a 17% increase from 2005. Russians, Chinese and Koreans led the pack.
Yet even Pattaya's boosters say there are limits to the image makeover. As city council chairman Tawich Chaiswangwong notes, "People don't come to Pattaya city to pray."
Got a friend that have this site.
Hopefully it can give you some help
http://www.siammaps.com/
Many thanks. It's a little tricky, have to install some Java to get it to work.
Doing that now.
Hm. It just shows five different go-gos in all of Pattaya. Memories, Blue Lagoon I & II, Secrets, Club Oasis and Champagne.
Thanks
Wendella,
You just have to pick up a guidebook or brochure from the Hotel. My last stay in Pattaya was at the Residence Garden and they had a couple of local guides that listed and had maps inside that showed where the go-go's and bars are.
Best thing to do in my opinion is go blind and discover. Walking Street is self explanatory with go-gos and bars off adjoining streets also. Other than that catch a baht bus up the 2nd road or down beach road and do big loops hopping off at Soi 2 (far north) and then work south and stop off at 6,7 and 8.
Then Soi 13 up.
The best thing I like about Pattaya is trying to cram in as many places as humanly possible to get a taste of all experiences. Just a quick beer in each and then move on. Some places i will go in and just leave if it looks shit.
It's all good.
If I remember, things there were just spread out enough that I got pretty wiped out and sweaty walking around checking everything out. (and I don't usually) My memory could be wrong. Is the action these days pretty condensed in a quickly walkable vicinity?
Another idea would be, if it's not very condensed, to rent a motorbike so I'm a bit more mobile. I hate buses. Ah but Walking Street. OK. That won't work.
Lemon Tree
04-20-07, 19:09
Mr. Wendella,
as far as I can see, the other gentlemen gave you already a lot of information’s about the locations and what is going in Pattaya and surrounding. So if you want to complete your information’s, you should download “ Google earth “too. Ask for –Thailand-Pattaya – and you have the best map you ever find.
And then you get a realistic overview what distances you have to walk or go by taxi or by motorbike taxi (nearly every corner to be finding). Cost about 40 Baht.
By the way, Walking Street can be passed through by car and bike till 6 p.m.
Enjoy your life
Lemon Tree
Phantomtiger2
04-21-07, 00:21
If I remember, things there were just spread out enough that I got pretty wiped out and sweaty walking around checking everything out. (and I don't usually) My memory could be wrong. Is the action these days pretty condensed in a quickly walkable vicinity?
Another idea would be, if it's not very condensed, to rent a motorbike so I'm a bit more mobile. I hate buses. Ah but Walking Street. OK. That won't work.
Pattaya itself is fairly spread out and can't be covered by foot. Main action occurs within Soi 2 to Walking St. Most of the go-go are near the Walking St area and that can be walked in 10min if you don't stop to look. For me, this 10min walk usually turns into 2 hours or more. Anything within Soi2 and Walking st is an easy 10b bus ride.
PT
Evil Penivel
04-21-07, 07:31
If BF is that high, how much are the girls expecting for LT?
Someone please tell me the 600-1000 BF is not really the case.
It is very much the case, at least for the gogo and hostess bars on Walking Street. Outside of WS, and in beer bars everywhere, the B/Fs will be lower. At the WS establishments (and the better places away from WS), the standard B/F is 600B. The 1,000B B/F is for coyote dancers or showgirls before a certain hour, like midnight, but the actual time can vary.
The reason for the high B/Fs is to is discourage punters from taking the girls away from the bars too early in the evening. Coyotes are getting a base salary of 15,000 to 20,000B/month to dance fully clothed on stage. They are considered by punters to be top-shelf (and top-trophy) girls and there is tremendous demand for their services. Punters were bar-fining them as soon as the bars open around 7.00 p.m. Other customers come in later in the evening, don't see many girls around and leave immediately. Since bars derive their income from the sale of booze, the owners want the girls to remain on premises until fairly late in the evening.
I can remember when a punter's customary behavior was to buy a number of drinks for himself and several ladies before (and often after) bar-fining one of them. According to bar owners, that's changed. One owner explained it this way: Because of the Internet pussy forums (there are dozens), punters can easily identify individual girls who are considered especially attractive or good in bed. Without ever having previously visited her bar, the punters know her name and number. Some will come in early and ask to B/F a particular girl but not buy a single drink. That is the worst-possible scenario for a bar owner, hence the high B/Fs.
The coyotes and showgirls aren't very interested in L/T these days unless the punter is offering more than breakfast at a cheap Charlie hotel, but they are asking and getting anywhere from 2,500B to 4,000B for S/T. The price-setting has nothing to do with overpaying, it's just a reflection of supply and demand. Too many punters vying for the services of too-few top-shelf girls, so prices rise.
Of course, kick things down a few notches, say to Soi 8 or Soi 6 or almost any beer bar, and you'll find cheaper ladies, literally and figuratively. You can find plenty of ladies in any price range in Pattaya, but it is futile to bewail the high prices at the top end of the scale.
Evil
Thanks guys, you're right I did get a lot of info earlier, and also some new info too that's been helpful.
I posted in another forum with a lot of Pattaya discussion, and got one response telling me about a website that has this gem of a map:
http://www.pattayabarguide.com/
(or see attached file, had to shrink it to fit the file dimension requirement -- the one on the webpage would be more clear, a bit bigger)
It seems as if it probably pays to wander around Walking Street area mainly, and then other areas another time. How much is it to rent a motorbike there? I'm very comfortable driving a motorbike, so that could be a good solution if they're as spread out as that. I really don't like having to deal with buses and taxis. On a motorbike I can go anywhere I want the moment I want to, and really go exploring. I don't have to get off the bus when I spot something (and then wait for another one) or try to communicate my idea to a non-English-speaking driver, plus easier to get through traffic faster on a bike. Parking could be a potential problem, though. Is it? Or theft?
This map shows 60 go-go bars all in what looks like a fairly compact area of Pattaya. It looks like that area on and near Walking Street especially is pretty concentrated. So would this be MOST of them then? So does this map cover the main areas worth checking out? I mean, if there's a handful fairly standard gogos outside this area somewhere, well, that's ok. I may not need to go check those out since I have so many in this one area already to keep me pretty busy. On the other hand, if this is just half of what's all there, then I'd probably want to go exploring off this map too.
Fun And Sun
04-21-07, 16:11
Thanks guys, you're right I did get a lot of info earlier, and also some new info too that's been helpful.
I posted in another forum with a lot of Pattaya discussion, and got one response telling me about a website that has this gem of a map:
http://www.pattayabarguide.com/
(or see attached file, had to shrink it to fit the file dimension requirement -- the one on the webpage would be more clear, a bit bigger)
It seems as if it probably pays to wander around Walking Street area mainly, and then other areas another time. How much is it to rent a motorbike there? I'm very comfortable driving a motorbike, so that could be a good solution if they're as spread out as that. I really don't like having to deal with buses and taxis. On a motorbike I can go anywhere I want the moment I want to, and really go exploring. I don't have to get off the bus when I spot something (and then wait for another one) or try to communicate my idea to a non-English-speaking driver, plus easier to get through traffic faster on a bike. Parking could be a potential problem, though. Is it? Or theft?
This map shows 60 go-go bars all in what looks like a fairly compact area of Pattaya. It looks like that area on and near Walking Street especially is pretty concentrated. So would this be MOST of them then? So does this map cover the main areas worth checking out? I mean, if there's a handful fairly standard gogos outside this area somewhere, well, that's ok. I may not need to go check those out since I have so many in this one area already to keep me pretty busy. On the other hand, if this is just half of what's all there, then I'd probably want to go exploring off this map too.I was in Pattaya about a week ago, I think you can go through a number of go gos in one night to be honest. I tended to take my time, spot a pretty girl, have a drink with her and see how we got on, and if I didn't like her that much then I would just move on to the next bar, or stop at a beer bar until I found someone that I got on with, and that was pretty.
My experience was that the go go bars that are on the side streets from walking street were mostly pretty good.
One practice I found helpful, when you go into one of the bars, don't let them usher you into a seat until you've had at least a good look around and spotted one or two hotties that you might be interested in. Had it happen to me on several occasions that I'd go in, get a beer, notice that there was nothing I was interested in, and then ending up sitting with a beer without anything to really watch. Not that I mind watching girls in bikinis while having a beer, but in a place like Pattaya it's nice to watch one or two that I'm considering taking out, and it's easy to drink way too much, way too quickly, when "go go bar hopping" this way.
Fun And Sun
04-21-07, 16:30
my fellow mongerers :)
i tried to post this report already, but think that the system crashed so will do my best to rewrite it. if the post went through, sorry for posting pretty much the same thing twice.
pricing - bar fine for girl at beer bar, 200 baht, rarely 300 baht. long term, 1,000 baht can be pretty easily negotiated, and my impression was that this was some sort of standard fare. on a couple of occasions i actually forgot to negotiate upfront, and both the girls were happy to get 1,000 baht for staying the whole night. bar fine for go go girls, 600 baht, 2,000 baht for long term. i found the beer bar girls more fun to hang out with, while the go go girls were hotter. in terms of performance, it tended to vary in both categories. as always, not being too drunk, getting the girl a bit drunk, being nice and giving her compliments will make for a bit more enthusiasm.
walking street - there are bus loads of japanese tourists arriving there to see it as some sort of tourist attraction, which i found quite disturbing as well as annoying. they go away once it gets a bit later, but they have an annoying habit of taking lot's of pictures and i don't want to get snapped hanging out on pattaya's walking street.
go go bars worthwhile to check out - check out angel witch, a large bar, plenty of pretty girls, and some pretty good shows.
beer bars worth checking out - i liked the ones on soi 6, soi 7, and soi 8 more. girls there were a bit happier, but had to look harder to find a pretty one. had fun with them playing games, pool, drinking, hanging out. the other mongerers here also seemed to be less drunk and rowdy than closer to walking street, not that i mind people being a bit drunk and having fun, only annoying when people are loud, and rude to the local thais as well as the other mongerers hanging out.
tip of the day - check out soi 6 in the day time, plenty of pretty girls hanging out there then.
bj bars on soi 13/2 - worth a visit just for the experience. liked golden girl better than the pumping station since girls more friendly and performance better. baht 375 for a bj in the bar upstairs, thought it was pretty good to sit back with a cold beer, watching a porno, while getting serviced... :) perfect to stop by on the way to the beach, or from the beach, for some quick relief.
[CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) - a bit out of the way, but those girls know what they are doing. baht 700 for a bj in a private room upstairs. walls go pretty high, so you can't see what is going on in the next room. worth a visit or two.
sukran - fun the first day when i hung out with a bunch of girls and other mongerers drinking beer and throwing ice cold water over other passersby. the girls got the beer from the store across the street, much to the annoyance of the bar owner... :) after a day or two i thought it was getting a bit annoying though.
street walkers - wasn't going to partake, but this one day i was at the beach, soaking up some rays and trying to sleep of my hangover. kept watching this little cute thai girl playing in the water, not a stunner, probably a six, but i didn't think she was a provider and she had a nice boby on her. when i left she asked me to sit with her and her friend instead. i was still unsure if she was a provider or not, but her showing me her tongue ring clarified the situation. 500 baht for short time in my hotel room. i noticed that there are quite a few girls hanging out under the parasols along the beach, they were a bit prettier than the girls that were sitting around on the street, so this might also be a good source for the occasional short term. (pretty nice to just sit on the beach, check out pretty girls, and then take one home for a one to two hour quickie.) they are discreet, so they won't bother you if all you want to do is sit and relax.
think that's it, happy to "take any questions" :)
fun and sun
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It is very much the case, at least for the gogo and hostess bars on Walking Street. Outside of WS, and in beer bars everywhere, the B/Fs will be lower. At the WS establishments (and the better places away from WS), the standard B/F is 600B. The 1,000B B/F is for coyote dancers or showgirls before a certain hour, like midnight, but the actual time can vary.
Of course, kick things down a few notches, say to Soi 8 or Soi 6 or almost any beer bar, and you'll find cheaper ladies, literally and figuratively. You can find plenty of ladies in any price range in Pattaya, but it is futile to bewail the high prices at the top end of the scale.
Evil
The girls being all bf'd out early was always a bar owner's dilemma.
I was still getting 1kbht girls in Pattaya without buying the drinks and the bf was maybe 2-300bht on the side streets, I forgot but definately not 600bht-bf. Part of the fun is the hunt. It might take me a few hours, but I could usually find something very nice for 1kbht (+bf). The "soopah-stahs" at the dancing places or WMPs (especially lg. breasted ones) are nothing but trouble anyway. Mostly spoiled rotten by Northern Asian customers.
f you have to pay b2,500-4,000bht for an hour session you may as well be going to Rio where the girls are much more into providing satisfaction, and some of the prettiest in the world. The beer is better and the beaches are 10x nicer.
Airfare is lower and you can get there in 9 hrs from NYC rather than 23 hrs.
Billy Baht
04-22-07, 04:24
The girls being all bf'd out early was always a bar owner's dilemma.
I was still getting 1kbht girls in Pattaya without buying the drinks and the bf was maybe 2-300bht on the side streets, I forgot but definately not 600bht-bf. Part of the fun is the hunt. It might take me a few hours, but I could usually find something very nice for 1kbht (+bf). The "soopah-stahs" at the dancing places or WMPs (especially lg. breasted ones) are nothing but trouble anyway. Mostly spoiled rotten by Northern Asian customers.
f you have to pay b2,500-4,000bht for an hour session you may as well be going to Rio where the girls are much more into providing satisfaction, and some of the prettiest in the world. The beer is better and the beaches are 10x nicer.
Airfare is lower and you can get there in 9 hrs from NYC rather than 23 hrs.Bless you BD for not overpaying :))
it seems as if it probably pays to wander around walking street area mainly, and then other areas another time. how much is it to rent a motorbike there? i'm very comfortable driving a motorbike, so that could be a good solution if they're as spread out as that. i really don't like having to deal with buses and taxis. on a motorbike i can go anywhere i want the moment i want to, and really go exploring. i don't have to get off the bus when i spot something (and then wait for another one) or try to communicate my idea to a non-english-speaking driver, plus easier to get through traffic faster on a bike. parking could be a potential problem, though. is it? or theft?
it took me many visits to pattaya before i plucked up the courage to rent a motorcycle and i have to admit i wish i had done it a long time ago. you are right about the freedom it gives you and i love punting around and stopping to chat with girls that smile and wave, something that happens often in pattaya (must be my good looks). i heard so many horror stories about renting motorcycles in pttaya, such as rip offs by the hirers, falang always having to pay for accidents whether it was their fault or not, police hassling for bribes, the hospitals full of accident victims, i could go on. the other thing that put me off renting in pattaya is the sheer congestion on the roads, almost like a smaller scale of bangkok. anyway i took the plunge last time i was there and to be fair didn't have any problem at all. i rented a bike on the beach road between soi 6 and 7 and it cost 150 baht per day for an automatic honda. i had started a morning walk from the dusit hotel at the start of the beach road and got varying quotes from different dealers, so as high as 400 baht per day! this particular dealer that i used, photo copied my passport and the deal was done in minutes. i checked the bike before taking it away and pointed out the few scrapes and dints (always a good idea) so that you don't get charged for them when you return. deposit was 1000 baht and i had the bike for around 6 days. i often hire bikes when i stay up in chiang rai but the pace of life on the roads is much slower and probably less risky in terms of ending up in the casualty department of the local hospital. in pattaya i never got drunk whilst riding (well not too drunk) and tried to exercise caution and for me it was a great experience. in fact i would never go back to using songthaews again. never heard about any problems with thefts but then all the dealers usually give you a whopping great chain and padlock to use. don’t forget to use your crash helmet, the police delight in stopping farang and issuing fines and i have seen this happen many times. if you are in pattaya for several weeks it is even worth buying yourself a helmet for around 1000 baht as the ones i got with my motorcycle stank and had seen better days. personally i would highly recommend getting a motorcycle it opened up new horizons for me.
Billy Baht
04-22-07, 10:07
Warning, long post!
I have read WSG for several years and have learned so much good information, so I thought I would return the favor and share some of my experiences in Thailand, particularly Pattya :)
By way of background information, I am from the USA, mid 50s and retired early. I have lived in Thailand for over four years, mostly in Bangkok (BKK) but recently I relocated to Pattaya.
The foregoing ramblings are just my personal opinions, so feel free to disagree, flame me or what every (putting on my Kevlar now, LOL!) I really don’t mean to offend anyone, but if by chance I have, just go to the fight club and if I’m not there in five minutes, start without me, LOL!
General Pattaya
If I were only visiting Thailand for mongering, I advise you to head straight to Pattaya. Suvanabuhmi, the new airport is located east of BKK or about 20 kms closer to Pattaya. If you don’t mind paying the relatively higher rates, grab a taxi and negotiate.
(I am going to list all prices in Thai baht, you can plug in your own calculations depending on the rates of exchange for your home country) A very rough estimate for the USD is to multiply the baht times 3 and drop two zeros. Example, 100 baht = roughly $3 USD; more precisely it is $2.86 @ THB 35 / $ USD.)
I’ve paid THB 800 BKK to Pattaya before so it should also be doable from the new airport. But the taxi drivers are pretty sharp so they charge what ever the market will bear. The official rates are on this site http://www.into-asia.com/bangkok/taxi/ but if you do the math, even going with the meter does not cost that much (130 km X THB 5.5 per km) Passengers pay all tolls, but that should be only THB 60 to 90.) FYI.
All the meter taxis in Pattaya in Pattaya are from BKK and they usually get a return fare from a taxi broker. The last broker I used -the Taxi stands listing Taxi BKK THB 800- charged me THB 800 and I saw the broker hand the driver THB 500. I confirmed this in Thai, so the absolute cheapest one could get from Pattya to BKK would be THB 500 if you negotiate directly with a driver.
I have never taken a bus directly from the new airport to Pattaya, but I’ve ridden the bus from Ekami (Eastern Bus Station) many times. Ekamai is a two minute walk from Ekamai Skytrain station. Make sure you buy your ticket from the vendors inside. Many touts will try to grab you and stick you on “Air Con” bus to Pattaya, but don’t do it-it’s the slow bus that stops every few kms and can take up to four hours to reach Pattaya. The regular A/C Pattaya busses depart every 20 minutes, have assigned seating and cost around THB 110 one-way.
The bus arrives in Pattaya at the station just off Sukumvit Road (Pattaya.) There are songteaws (pickups with benches in the back) charging THB 20 to Beach Road. I always cross the street and hail a songtaew going west, towards the beach. They will go to the roundabout, head left and drive down Beach road. Loads of bars with rooms there so take your pick. I usually stay on the truck until I get to Soi 10, ring the buzzer to let me off, hand the driver THB 10. And head to Second Road or Soi Buakao. About Songtaews, the Thais pay THB 5 per trip and farangs (foreigners) are expected to pay THB 10. If I go on a short trip, I pay THB 5; I always have correct change, walk to the passenger window and hand it it over and walk away. Sometimes they honk the horn and yell, but I never turn back and they let it go because they know I know. Second Road to Jomtien is THB 10, but again double the price for farangs. FYI.
Hotels
Now I am renting a small room off Soi Buakao for THB 12,000 / month inclusive of electric, water and Wifi. On some of the small Sois off Second Road and Soi Buakao many guest houses and bars offer basic air-conditioned rooms for THB 400 - 500 per night. I have never stayed the Lek and Apex hotels on Second Road, but people tell me they are good value for the money, have good security, with rooms staring at THB 450 and up. Both the Lek and Apex have great all you can eat breakfast buffets for only THB 110. I especially enjoy watching the punters parade their bar yings around. Some of the girls look embarrassed; others are just plain bored. Some guys seem a bit needy and really latch on to a girl and it shows. All in all, Pattaya has some great hotel deals with prices to suit any budget. A lot of us tend to stay with our own in ghettos. My advise is to get out of your comfort zone and don’t be afraid to mingle. I’m staying in a 99% British area and I get along just fine. Not all the Brits like Americans, but heck, not every one liked me in the USA. Most guys stay off politics and concentrate on what we are really here for - women! Besides, IMHO, it is interesting to hear other points of view, even of you disagree. Isn’t that why they make chocolate and vanilla?
Bars
Personally I prefer the outside open air ‘bar beer” but to each his own. The bar beer girls tend to be a bit older and seem to appreciate customers more. Of course there are exceptions :). Beer is a bit cheaper, around 60 to 70 baht and many bars have discounts for Happy Hour. The bar beers also have a lot of parties, offering free food -usually a roasted pig- and karaoke. The bar beer yings (short for poo ying, Thai for lady) mostly come from Isan, the relatively poor North Eastern region of Thailand. They speak Thai and the Isan-Lao dialect. Most farangs can’t speak Thai let alone Lao, so it (Lao) is used for top secret gossip, LOL. Believe me, they gossip, right in front of you is they suspect you can not understand: size of your manhood, financial status, generosity, nothing is sacred. If you are into “alternative stuff, some one is gonna tell on you, LOL! Having said that, they mostly know the drill, BBBJ, CIM, doggie style is usually not a problem. It does not hurt to clarify things, so if you want something, don’t be shy, just ask. Believe me, it’s just their job and as long as you ask politely (smiling a lot helps) they won’t be offended. Like all women, girls like boys who make them laugh so don’t be afraid to joke around and act the clown, all in good taste of course. A few nights ago I saw some drunk making an ass of himself and while the girls smiled at him, in thai they were calling him an a@@ hole. No argument from me. Normally the bar beers charge THB 200 to 300 for the bar fine and most yings are quite happy with THB 1,000 LT (long time.)
The go-gos tend to have the younger pretty girls and that is what most guys are into. And after spending 12 to 23 plus hours on a crowded airplane, who can blame them. IMHO, many of the super star go-go yings have an attitude, but that’s just my take. As my Brit buddies say, I’m well past my sale date, meaning I am not 25 and look like Tom Cruise so I take it all with a grain of salt. I’m not looking for a girl friend, I just wanna have a good time, LOL! I enjoyed hearing BuleDaddy’s posts on how to get the girl on your terms, A.K.A. CELL PHONE. Buy a cheap cell phone here. After avoiding only two THB 600 bar fines, you’ve broken even and the rest is pure gravy. Besides, if the ying gives you her number, she probably likes you otherwise, no deal. Again just my opinion, as they say here, up to you. Most go-go yings expect THB 1.500 minimum or more likely THB 2,000. Before you tell me that’s only $60 USD, remember that I have spent many nights talking to these girls, in Thai, and I know back home in Isan, they earn THB 100 to 120 working 10 hours per day under a brutal south east asian sun. A massage girl told me she used to work at 7-11, 10 hours per day, six days per week for THB 4,000 per month. So, if you love that little stunner, go on and pony up 4k; ole Billy Baht will seek out the babes that believe THB 1,000 is sufficient reward for a nights work. Again, up to you.
I’ve been here awhile and most girl's radar reads me in a second, meaning they can’t hustle me so usually I am left alone. Sure, it’s nice to have three or fours girls compete for you, but sometimes that means that their radar has locked on a new target and bull’s eye is on your forehead (ATM card really.) I prefer take a seat and make eye contact and engage in some flirting. If she comes over, I’ll know in a few minutes whether we are compatible or not. If I find I don’t like her, I just ignore here and she soon leaves. (vice versa too) If I like her, I may buy here a ladies drink. That’s another good test because if she orders the most expensive drink, that tells me something real fast, LOL! Sometimes I don’t buy a drink and just talk, but if she has spen a lot of time with me, I give her a small tip, THB 20 to 40. Yeah, call me cheap Charlie, but the bar usually only gives the girls around 25 or 30 baht commission on a lady drink. Again it is up to you, but THB 20 buys the girls a meal at the push cart vendors, so forget that it’s only xyz back home.
Something that I have found interesting, is that in over four years in the kingdom of Thailand all bar yings have told me that they do not like Tha man and do not have a Thai boyfriend. Maybe I just look stupid, but I sometimes sit at a bar beer around 5 or 6 pm and watch the motorcycles pull up outside the bars, the yings being dropped off at work by their Thai boyfriends. I don’t care what they do, but don’t for one second buy the bs about all “thai man no good.” Maybe they tell us that because just like ubiquitous “hello hansum man” we like to hear it. J Remember, all women love to talk and want to be listened to and who better than a Thai boyfriend or husband? Again just my take on this. I was talking to the maid at my apartment today and she was pointing out all the local bar yings that had a thai boy friend. Amazing really :)
Safety
IMHO, Thailand is pretty safe, especially considering some of the larger inner city areas in the USA. Having said that, you still need to be alert and keep your wits about when visiting here. This is especially true if you take a free lancer from Beach Road or Walking street. Some free lancers target drunk guys so enjoy a few drinks but don’t over do it. Personally, I don’t own an expensive wrist watch or wear gold jewelry - that makes you a target IMHO. I know a lot of guys do it, but not me. I always carry my cash and cell phone in my front pocket. In crowds, I keep my hands near my pockets, just a thumb in the pocket can alert you to a wayward hand going where it should not go. FYI. Again, I consider Thailand to be very safe so stay alert (read sober) and you should not have any theft problems. Women problems, well that’s another issue, LOL!
Another tip, leave the motorcycle taxi guys alone. Sure, it is ok to hire them for a trip, adking the price before hand, but they also double as hired muscle so, picking a quarrel with a driver is not wise. You've been warned!
Dress
You see all sorts here, heavily tattooed body builders, young thugs, old guys, you name it, they’re here. I’m not being judgemental and I con’t care if they walk around naked with excrement smeared on their persons. Up to them. Just observe they way most Thai men dress and that’s your key. At night, I wear long trousers or jeans and a sport shirt, both long and short sleeves, sometimes a tee shirt, but not the “I eat pussy” style. I always shave and shower before I go “hunting” I think it helps throw the odds in my favor a bit. Many girls have told me they like my “polite” dress, but have never offered to discount for that attribute, LOL! Many guys will say “ I dress this way at home (shorts, no shirt) and I’m going to dress this way here too! Cool , go for it, Billy Baht will never object. IMHO the wise punter will clean himself up a bit in his own enlightened self interest. (maybe appearance related issues is why some guys pay 4k short time, LOL! Only joking bro.)
Pattaya is a fun city and I sincerely wish fellow mongers a great time. Do share your experiences and tips :)
All the best,
Billy Baht
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Buttman Returns
04-22-07, 10:44
I was still getting 1kbht girls in Pattaya without buying the drinks and the bf was maybe 2-300bht on the side streets, I forgot but definately not 600bht-bf.
f you have to pay b2,500-4,000bht for an hour session you may as well be going to Rio where the girls are much more into providing satisfaction, and some of the prettiest in the world. The beer is better and the beaches are 10x nicer.Couldn't agree more, mate!
Rio is a bit expensive, though. Anywhere out of Rio P4P is cheaper and chicas with less attitude.
But the beautiful thing about Brazil is that if you pick up a bit of Portuguese (only a few basic sentences are enough) or speak a bit Spanish, you can easily pick up girls that are not in it for money, just for sex.
Brazilian attitude to sex is the healthiest in the world (only mentally...:-)). Girls want sex without commitment. They will fuck you just for the sake of a good fuck.
Living closer to Asia, Thailand is a quicker and cheaper solution for me. But it's never as exciting as Brazil!
Ok, I should better stop here. I can go for hours when it comes to Brazil, but this is a Thailand forum after all... :-)
I've always paid the prices you have mentioned - about 200B BF and 1000B LT. I'd pay a couple of hundreds more for a stunning freelancer, but not in the 4-6000B range. Re drinks, it's my pleasure buying some drinks to the chick before. First, knowing that they have to reach a certain monthly quota; and second, it's an opportunity to have a small chat to her beforehand.
No, I'm not into learning about their views of world politics or global warming. It's just an opportunity to evaluate how much the girl is into giving you a good service. For this level of prices, my concern is not about spending additional couple of hundreds of baht; it's more about wasting my time with a lousy service.
But hey, that's only me. After all, everyone to their own.
Lemon Tree
04-22-07, 17:36
i agree on the explanation of mr. mortman and can add my experiences.
it is not easy to drive on the “wrong” side of the street, when you come from germany or other european contries (except uk) and we drive on the right side of the street.
doesn’t matter, i ride bikes since 30 years and i prefer big bikes.
so i always rent in pattaya a big bike, a chopper, a honda shadow, looking like an old military bike. it is easy going with that thing. but you can rent there also racers and street fighters, but in my opinion it is too dangerous to ride that racers there. not, because i don’t trust the bikes. i don’t trust the thais. sometimes i think that the really believe in their religion and in the chance for a second life, if you see how the ride their bikes and drive their cars.
i rent my bike on the beach road too, near soi post office. how much you pay depends on how long you will rent that bike – and how hard you are able to negotiate. for such a shopper – for example – they try to get 1000 baht a day. but finally i pay 500 baht or less, if i rent it for 3 or 4 weeks total.
the police:
they like to stop farangs more than thais. and it doesn’t matter, if you ride a one way street, in the wrong direction, or forgot your helmet. you pay.
and better don't ask for a ticket. with ticket it costs 500 baht (because they have to give 300 baht to their boss). better give 200 baht without ticket. it saves you 300 baht.
and don’t discuss with them only because you think that you are right.
and don’t give them your original licence. always only a copy. most of them are not really interested in the papers, only in the 200 baht. and when you start discussing – because you are right of course – they confirep001e your licence and you have a lot of troubles to get them back. discussion is worth nothing – in that case.
by the way, thai girls like big bikes, because in normal life they are only able to ride those small scooters. my permanent always refused to sit on a racer, because she said: look at the girls, the sit like little monkeys behind the rider. i like to ride comfortable. yes, and i like to feel those nice airbags behind me.
enjoy your biking life in pattaya
lemon tree
Yeah I live in Saigon now, where everybody has motorbikes -- the whole city moves on 2 wheels. So I'm sure Pattaya traffic is no more intense than here (population 8 million, with about 95% of traffic on motorbikes). I've already driven in Thailand, mostly up in the north (in Chiang Mai and on winding mountain roads north of Mae Hong Son), so I know I can deal with the left-right switch. I'm American, but have driven a car plenty in Australia. Agree the freedom a bike gives you is wonderful, especially in a place you're new to. And I've already even been stopped by police in Thailand, in Chiang Mai. Wrong way down a one-way (which was a 2 way that mysteriously turned into a 1-way suddenly...grrrr). Rental rates are cheap here. About $4US a day is easy to find. Helmet laws only apply on the highways, not in the city.
Noticed one detail below that could be a problem: would a foreigner be expected to show a license if he got pulled over? Because that would be different from here, and from northern Thailand. In both places they were only ever just interested in getting the payment, in Vietnam they don't even bother asking to see a license.
over the past couple years i've seen that police in pattaya are being increasingly aggressive in enforcing specific laws. first of all, always wear a helmet, always observe the one-way street on the soi's especially between beach rd and second rd, never drive drunk. i also provide a second helmet for a girl because i have no idea if i going to get pulled over for that. all the motorcyle taxi don't but they might be exempt from a law that you will get a ticket for. if you do get a ticket in thailand for helment and one-way street violations is probably in the $7 to $15 range not in the hundreds of dollars as in the us.
what is really crazy in thailand is you'll see a women driving a motorbike with helmet and a large child in the back and two very small children maybe only 3 or 4 years of age riding in front without helmets. i've seen some motor bikes with very small seats just for 2 or 3 year olds. if the women ever crashed she might be the only survivor. in the us they have laws about kids in the front seat with airbags. in south east asia there are small kids riding without helmets that would almost certainly be severely injured for even a mild low speed accident.
noticed one detail below that could be a problem: would a foreigner be expected to show a license if he got pulled over? because that would be different from here, and from northern thailand. in both places they were only ever just interested in getting the payment, in vietnam they don't even bother asking to see a license.
as far as drivers license they will check it. a couple years ago in phuket i saw motorcycle police stopping every foreigner on a motorbike and asking for some form of license. i was also stopped in pattaya for a check. what i heard is that if you drive a car in thailand you should have an international drivers license which is valid for one year in addition to your home license. i hear many thail police will stop foreigners driving a car and and ask for international drivers license to hope to get a quick payoff of a few hundred bhat if you don't have one. in the past i have gotten the license at aaa for $10 plus passport sized pictures. i usually print my own pictures these days.
since i don't drive a motorcyle or motorbike at home, there isn't much unlearning to do in thailand as far as right vs left hand drive. i haven't built any instinctive reactions so driving is more on concentration. everything is new so i'm not in a relaxed state were my trained reactions might take over. driving a car would be another story. i'm afraid drving a car would be too difficult to master in a short period of time. 25 years of driving experience of right hand drive may be too much to unlearn in a short period of time. in a panic situation i may create a bigger problem possibly killing myself in the process.
In recent post, Billy Baht refers to fact that Pattaya is sort of divided into different "ghetto's" according to nationality.
I've visited a number of times in past and never really noticed this. And I don't think I would usually care.
But as an expat American, living in middle east the past several years, and somewhat homesick for things American (food, NBA playoffs, bar conversation, just usual kind of stuff), it occurred to me that it might be fun to seek out hangouts of US guys on upcoming Pattaya trip.
Any suggestions for exactly where the American ghetto is? What bars are more likely to have NBA or baseball on tv instead of soccer? Not serve baked beans for breakfast?
Thanks in advance, bros.
Excellent report, Billy. I love Pattaya too, and envy the fact that you are living there. As soon as I sell my house here in the USA, I'll be on my way there.
I enjoyed hearing BuleDaddy’s posts on how to get the girl on your terms, A.K.A. CELL PHONE.
BTW -- I think you got the wrong Daddy here, but BlueDaddy's posts are good too. :)
i agree on the explanation of mr. mortman and can add my experiences.
it is not easy to drive on the “wrong” side of the street, when you come from germany or other european contries (except uk) and we drive on the right side of the street.
doesn’t matter, i ride bikes since 30 years and i prefer big bikes.
so i always rent in pattaya a big bike, a chopper, a honda shadow, looking like an old military bike. it is easy going with that thing. but you can rent there also racers and street fighters, but in my opinion it is too dangerous to ride that racers there. not, because i don’t trust the bikes. i don’t trust the thais. sometimes i think that the really believe in their religion and in the chance for a second life, if you see how the ride their bikes and drive their cars.
i rent my bike on the beach road too, near soi post office. how much you pay depends on how long you will rent that bike – and how hard you are able to negotiate. for such a shopper – for example – they try to get 1000 baht a day. but finally i pay 500 baht or less, if i rent it for 3 or 4 weeks total.
the police:
they like to stop farangs more than thais. and it doesn’t matter, if you ride a one way street, in the wrong direction, or forgot your helmet. you pay.
and better don't ask for a ticket. with ticket it costs 500 baht (because they have to give 300 baht to their boss). better give 200 baht without ticket. it saves you 300 baht.
and don’t discuss with them only because you think that you are right.
and don’t give them your original licence. always only a copy. most of them are not really interested in the papers, only in the 200 baht. and when you start discussing – because you are right of course – they confirep001e your licence and you have a lot of troubles to get them back. discussion is worth nothing – in that case.
by the way, thai girls like big bikes, because in normal life they are only able to ride those small scooters. my permanent always refused to sit on a racer, because she said: look at the girls, the sit like little monkeys behind the rider. i like to ride comfortable. yes, and i like to feel those nice airbags behind me.
enjoy your biking life in pattaya
lemon treeso if i turn up in pattaya with just my aussie drivers licence in hand that should be enough to rent this chopper style badboy? unfortunately, i only have the "up to 250cc" licence from australia (not that it says the capacity ont he licence, just lists it as a "class c" or some crap lilke that).
or do you suggest going somewhere once i land to get an "official" licence before attempting to rent? i already have some passport pics left over from passport application. i will take those in case. or should i get an international drivers licence before i leave ? (by the way, i live in china, might not be easy to get within next 4 days before i depart).
secondly, i assume these bike hiring places are easy to come by, however any hints or tips for someone looking for this bigger style of bike? you say about 500 if taking for some time, but i will only need about 6 days. what you think is fair? somewhere between 500 and 1000 a day i'm guessing?
any places good or bad that you recommend for this style of bike? or is this question as stupid as "are there any girls in pattaya and where do i find them?".
thanks guys.
.....Any suggestions for exactly where the American ghetto is? What bars are more likely to have NBA or baseball on tv instead of soccer?.....Make it into a target?
Not a real good idea in my humble and generally worthless opinion, but your mileage may vary.
I have not been to Pattaya and planning to go for a weekend in the next few weeks. I am interested in the fair skinned, taller and bigger framed northern Thai girls, rather than the ones from Issan. I have heard that some of them are available in the soapy places. Are there any beer bars that have them? Also, can you take them for the night from the soapies and if so how much do the soapies charge for the takeaway?
The NBA comment just struck a cord...... I'm an American ex-pat living in Vietnam, but our cable tv is mostly piped in from Thailand.... I can't help but notice that ESPN Star baseball games are being televised 5 days after they occur rather than live, even though they're aired at the same time a live game with the same team is taking place. A particularly infuriating example of this was yesterday, when the NY Yankees were facing the Boston Red Sox in a huge Sunday evening game, with the new Boston Japanese-import marquee pitcher Daisuke playing his first time vs NY -- the biggest baseball game of the year so far. The baseball equivalent of Chelsea v Man U. It was being aired live by the ESPN network in much of the world, I'd guess (their website said they were showing it) -- but instead of getting this big important game, we get the 5-day old much less important Yankees-Indians game. Now I know they can show live events, because we get to watch Wayne Rooney live everytime he changes his jock. No problem getting to see Siena v Atalanta or Scunthorpe Wigan live, but Yankees Red Sox, oh maybe in a few days, we'll think about it. It can't be that hard to make the connection for the live feed if they do it every weekend for a lot of fairly obscure football (soccer) matches.
Anyway sorry, this probably belongs in a different thread.
I think you should be happy you are even getting ESPN. It probably is being piped in illegally into Vietnam.
ESPN in Hong Kong shows live baseball games.
If you are that hardcore of a fan I am sure you can get a satellite dish and steal the signal from somewhere.
SidTheSexist
04-24-07, 09:15
or Scunthorpe Wigan live, but Yankees Red Sox, oh maybe in a few days, we'll think about it.Scunthorpe vs Wigan, Nahh, dont think so mate! :D:D
Sid
So if I turn up in Pattaya with just my Aussie drivers licence in hand that should be enough to rent this chopper style badboy? Unfortunately, I only have the "up to 250cc" licence from Australia (Not that it says the capacity ont he licence, just lists it as a "Class C" or some crap lilke that).
Or do you suggest going somewhere once I land to get an "official" licence before attempting to rent? I already have some passport pics left over from passport application. I will take those in case. Or should I get an international drivers licence before I leave ? (By the way, I live in China, might not be easy to get within next 4 days before I depart).
Secondly, I assume these bike hiring places are easy to come by, however any hints or tips for someone looking for this bigger style of bike? YOu say about 500 if taking for some time, but I will only need about 6 days. What you think is fair? Somewhere between 500 and 1000 a day I'm guessing?
Any places good or bad that you recommend for this style of bike? Or is this question as stupid as "Are there any girls in Pattaya and where do I find them?".
Thanks guys.Tunnel
How are you mate?
I have been hiring bikes in Pattaya for the past 5 years.
I would rather be in control of my destiny in the mad Thai traffic than leave it up to the crazy locals. They beleive their life gets better the second time around. As far as I know this is my only one.
Anyway back to hiring. I have hired from the same people from the start.
I got lots of prices the first time and they were the best.
I always get a 450 trail bike I find them the easiest for me as I do a lot of exploring during the day around Pattaya and out in the country too.
I always pay around 300 baht. I usually have a bike for at least a week sometimes longer and then it is a bit less.
The first time I hired they asked me for my Passport as security which I refused naturally. I said I would get a copy for them if they wanted and I showed them my Vic drivers licence as well. They weren't worried about my passport copy they just took my hotel details.
Nowadays they just check which hotel I'm staying at and thats it.
They have been really good to hire from. I had a bike get a fuel blockage one night about 10 pm I was miles from the hotel so I gave them a call and they came out and fixed it for me within 30 minutes.I bought the guy a beer in the nearest bar so he was happy.
They are on beach road near the corner of soi 8 going towards walking street.
As far as I know they are still there, I'll find out in 9 days.
You shouldn't have a problem as long as you don't get on the bike when you're on the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140).
I've also hired cars a couple of times and driven up to Isan. I've gone through police road blocks where they check licences and never had a problem.
I just show passport and Aussie licence. I think there main concern is the insurance sticker on the window. Once they see that and a licence there happy.
Enjoy your trip just stay alert while you're riding and you shouldn't have a problem.
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Lemon Tree
04-24-07, 17:40
Mr. Tunnel,
You speak about 2 different things.
The first thing is the legal position; the second thing is the reality in Pattaya.
About the first thing, the legal position.
Your “Aussie driver licence “allow you to drive bikes in Australia. If you want to ride a bike in another country, you have to apply for an international driving licence. Ask your local authorities, where you can get it. It is easy, need only a passport pic. Little problem could be indeed, that you live in China now. I would contact your embassy and ask for advice.
The second thing, how to rent a bike in Pattaya.
As Mr. Patrase wrote, make a copy of your passport and your “Aussie driver licence” and give that to the dealer. He will make a contract with you, asking, in which hotel your stay and the room number. You have to pay a deposit about 1000 Baht. That’s all. They don’t ask about an international drivers licence. The dealers.
The third thing is the police.
They will ask for that international licence, because they want money. 500 Baht with ticket, 200 Baht without ticket.
Oh, important to say. Have a look into the petrol tank. These guys always expect that you refuel the petrol tank 100 %, when you bring the bike back. After that they suck nearly all of the petrol out and use it for themselves or sell it. And when you rent the bike, your first way should go to the next petrol station. Otherwise it is a hard work to push the bike the whole distance to the petrol station. And I know what I speak about.
Where to rent the bike
I mean you should start your expedition near Mike’s Mall and then walk into the direction of Walking Street. There you will find a large choice of all kind of bikes. Take time, ask for the prize. Ask what it cost for one day at first (They will start asking you for how many days you want it- bad position for negotiation for you). Then ask for 3 days. And finally ask for the prize for the whole time. And please don’t decide at the first dealers place. Say thanks and walk away and check the other prizes. It is worth to spend some time with that. So what can I finally say?
Happy performance. Enjoy your life
Lemon Tree
You have to pay a deposit about 1000 Baht. Really? This is different from here (Vietnam) -- if they know your hotel and/or have photocopy of passport, thats usually enough. Actually, in Chiang Mai, no need to leave deposit either.
The third thing is the police.
They will ask for that international licence, because they want money. 500 Baht with ticket, 200 Baht without ticket.Ticket? You mean license? Or... ticket for the violation that they hand to you? You must mean license. In my country, license and ticket are very different - ticket is the paper the cop gives you telling you what the fine is, when the court date is, etc.
Have a look into the petrol tank. These guys always expect that you refuel the petrol tank 100 %, when you bring the bike back. After that they suck nearly all of the petrol out and use it for themselves or sell it. And when you rent the bike, your first way should go to the next petrol station. Otherwise it is a hard work to push the bike the whole distance to the petrol station.
Wait so they give you an empty tank and expect YOU to fill it for them before giving it back? If that's right, that is definitely a tourist-only rule (no wonder they want a 1000 baht deposit! How else could they enforce that.). No sensible local would ever do that. I've run into the rare scammer here in VN trying that one, but as a rule, no. If it happened here, I'd just smirk and say uh no thanks, but nice try.
Tunnel
They are on beach road near the corner of soi 8 going towards walking street.
As far as I know they are still there, I'll find out in 9 days.I will be in bangkok this saturday 28th April for the day and will probably shoot down to Pattaya for a week or so, then get back to Bangkok by about the friday May 4 or thereabouts.
I will have to catch up with you and buy a fellow aussie a beer!
Not sure where I will stay yet, thanks to the forum I have got a short list of 4 places, and will do a walking tour and view each then decide on the day i get there. Flipper Lodge, Metro Apartments, Secrets Hotel, The Residence Garden.
I have just bought myself a fancy new camera that also does video so hopefully I will make some nice 'memories' while I am away.
Actually here is another question: I am actually considering buying a basic GPS to take on holidays with me. Now that I am living in China and earning decent coin I am finding I am holidaying around these parts/asia a lot more, and a GPS would be nice to record locations, go walking/riding and not get lost, show my family the places I have visited on google earth by referencing the latitude longitude etc. Anyway, question is, I cant for the life of me find the Garmin brand of hand held GPS here in China, they only tend to have the big screen in-car navigation/road map/tell me how to drive there versions. Do you know if the Garmin brand of GPS can be bought somewhere in Pattaya or Bangkok? I am particularly looking for the Garmin Geko 201.
Failing finding this GPS anywhere in Thailand, would you at all be prepared for me to call a store in Australia, I will pay for it over the phone with my credit card, and you can pick it up at store and give it to me if we catch up in Pattaya? Sorry if this is a big ask, and secondly I dont even know if you are in Australia right now.
Anybody else with advice on how/where to find this brand/model would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers!
Phantomtiger2
04-24-07, 23:59
it seems as if it probably pays to wander around walking street area mainly, and then other areas another time.
this map shows 60 go-go bars all in what looks like a fairly compact area of pattaya. it looks like that area on and near walking street especially is pretty concentrated. so would this be most of them then? so does this map cover the main areas worth checking out? i mean, if there's a handful fairly standard gogos outside this area somewhere, well, that's ok. i may not need to go check those out since i have so many in this one area already to keep me pretty busy. on the other hand, if this is just half of what's all there, then i'd probably want to go exploring off this map too.hi wendella,
the web link to the bars of patts shows about 95% of all you may want to visit, so the answer to your question is "yes".
like i posted before, walking st area contains most of the go-go's so that's where you should hang out if you like that, and the rest of patts are mostly open air bars.
the rest of patts (the last 5% are also bars--no go -go's) are rep001ter outside the main patts tourist area. these are mostly for ex-pats living there and knows the area and speaks the thai lingo.
hope this helps.
pt
FreeWolf66
04-25-07, 20:34
I don't like walking street; too touristy and too expensive. Try soi 8, 7 and 6. Soi 6 is going to be my next venture. Goodfellas and Thairose. I will be there in June. Great cheap time. 500bt st + bf.
Freewolf66
I don't like walking street; too touristy and too expensive. Try soi 8, 7 and 6. Soi 6 is going to be my next venture. Goodfellas and Thairose. I will be there in June. Great cheap time. 500bt st + bf.
Freewolf66
I agree, it’s much easier to strike gold in some anonymous bar in soi 2, 6, 7, 8, Naklua, Jomtien or wherever, rather than in WS. But, obviously, there may be always exceptions to the rule…
[QUOTE=Big Kev]In recent post, Billy Baht refers to fact that Pattaya is sort of divided into different "ghetto's" according to nationality.
I've visited a number of times in past and never really noticed this. And I don't think I would usually care.
But as an expat American, living in middle east the past several years, and somewhat homesick for things American (food, NBA playoffs, bar conversation, just usual kind of stuff), it occurred to me that it might be fun to seek out hangouts of US guys on upcoming Pattaya trip.
Any suggestions for exactly where the American ghetto is? What bars are more likely to have NBA or baseball on tv instead of soccer? Not serve baked beans for breakfast?
Thanks in advance, bros.
Try the FLB Bar on Walking Street. You can just about always find a number of guys from the USA in there in the evening and I am sure Martin (THE OWNER) can advise on other sports bars in the area. If your sport is "bird hunting" then FLB Bar is a good place for that as well.
No American ghetto, JB, as the number of Americans who can afford to travel to Thailand is much smaller than the number of Europeans who can afford to do so.
I've been back here a few days and it is worse than ever - hardly any girls on the beach.
Hello Gentlemen
I'm currently in Pattaya and have noticed a number of European looking working girls on WS. I assume they are working because they are dressed like they are and all they do is walk up and down WS. However, they don't seem friendly or approachable. They don't engage in eye contact or smile. I know by reading the post here that they are expensive but how do you initiate contact? Do you have to just walk up to them and ask? I'm afraid I would offend them if they happen to be regular tourists.
Egg
Hello Gentlemen
I'm currently in Pattaya and have noticed a number of European looking working girls on WS. I assume they are working because they are dressed like they are and all they do is walk up and down WS. However, they don't seem friendly or approachable. They don't engage in eye contact or smile. I know by reading the post here that they are expensive but how do you initiate contact? Do you have to just walk up to them and ask? I'm afraid I would offend them if they happen to be regular tourists.
Egg
They are Russians or from former parts of the USSR now middle East countries like Turkestan or how they are called in English.
The girls there do very seldom make eye contact and just behave very cold and not approachable, imho.
To get in contact with them you have to stop them and just ask. If you are not sure if they are pros or not than just say, hello and start smalltalk.
Usually the pros are easy to spot. They looks mostly less attractive than regular Russian tourists. The Russian tourists girls are mostly there with a boyfriend, husband, family... . So, if one or two girls walk alone and don't check cloths, shoes, etc. than they are most likely pros.
Mostly Indians and Arabs are their customer, so they girls are used that the man make the first conntact.
Just got back from a great two-week stint in Pattaya for Songkran. I was crying my way home the entire flight. I managed to knock down 11 birds in 15 days (I took a couple days off here or there to recover).
Here's the line up:
Bangkok Chick- My buddy and I picked up two freelancers from a beer garden on Soi 6 and Sukumvit. Don't remember much about her except that she spits and likes to fuck.
Be- (pronounced Bay) at GK Bar on Second Road and Soi 3. 19 years old, size D tits and very cute face. Playful at first, but pretty much a shitty attitude after that. Kept saying "lew, lew" (hurry up) as we were doing the deed. I didn't really care, but some might. I'd still short time her again, but this time I'd bring a sock to stick in her mouth.
Pla- Works at a bar on soi 7. Can't remember the frickin name of it. She is half Thai and half Cambodian and speaks very good English. Took her home at 6:45 in the morning. Nice, thin physique. Has a baby, buy you'd never be able to tell. Pretty face and nice ass. Worth the lay.
Rak- Works at Living Dolls II. In my opinion, she has the overall best body of all the girls there. Great natural C-cup tits, small waste, big hips, round, fat ass, dark skin. She has very good American-English and likes to chat. She is fun as hell in the sac and when we fuck I let her ride like a champ. She'll do lesbo under certain situations. Also, she's fairly selective of her clientele. She tends to only role with guys she thinks are attractive and personable.
Jom- Natural D's working at Star bar on soi 8. 19 years old with a fresh mouth and sassy attitude. Great body and a good lay in bed. Banged her with another chick from the same bar and they both lesded out on each other. She spits.
Kanny (pronounced Conni)- Says she has natural D's but they're not. However, they are the most natural feeling implants I've ever felt in my life (and I've felt a lot of them). Had her and Jom at the same time. She has an awesome body and a submissive, friendly personality. She is a pleasure to look at and be with. She likes to play with her ass and pussy when you fuck her. She swallows.
Anne- Works at D Star bar on Soi 13/2 off Beach Road. Harry downstairs, but nice buddy. Bubbly, sassy attitude. Short-timed her. I've seen her with some fellas that are hard to look at so I think she's pretty flexible with her clientele.
Nee- Works at a bar on Soi 7. I stared at the sign on the bar repeating the name to myself on and off for half an hour, but of course don't remember it now. She is tall for a Thai chick, about 170 cm. Face C's, but a nice body. She has a bit of an under bite, but an attractive face. Short timed her.
The other three chicks I'm not going to list because they we freebees. Two were bargirls and one was a rich chick living in Pattaya. The rich chick was hot as hell and apparently a bit of a star in Thailand. Thai guys were asking for her autograph when we were walking around. She was also a good fuck in bed.
Well, I don't know when I'll be going back. All I can say is that I'm looking forward to it. Keep up the good work for me while I'm gone guys.
J Ride
Hey J Ride,
Great memoire! I can feel your pain. I'm planing on going to thai for 2 weeks also and already i'm scared of having to come back.
Fast Eddie 48
04-27-07, 22:47
[QUOTE=Big Kev]In recent post, Billy Baht refers to fact that Pattaya is sort of divided into different "ghetto's" according to nationality.
I've visited a number of times in past and never really noticed this. And I don't think I would usually care.
But as an expat American, living in middle east the past several years, and somewhat homesick for things American (food, NBA playoffs, bar conversation, just usual kind of stuff), it occurred to me that it might be fun to seek out hangouts of US guys on upcoming Pattaya trip.
Any suggestions for exactly where the American ghetto is? What bars are more likely to have NBA or baseball on tv instead of soccer? Not serve baked beans for breakfast?
Thanks in advance, bros.
Try the FLB Bar on Walking Street. You can just about always find a number of guys from the USA in there in the evening and I am sure Martin (THE OWNER) can advise on other sports bars in the area. If your sport is "bird hunting" then FLB Bar is a good place for that as well.To capt JB
Thailand is not a place to watch NBA games most bar only show soccer or NFL football , ESPN show some playoff games on tv if your hotel have cable with espn asia , if you go to China they are crazy about NBA they show more NBA than soccer there except for Hong Kong soccer is a big sport, there are more European than American in Thailand so number win.
Fast Eddie 48
Yeah J Ride, I know what you mean, that's what I usually do when I am in Pattaya (find a celebrity rich chick and fuck her for free)
That "non pro action" ~ every monger's fantasy!
Boost12 - If there is a bad thing about going to Thailand, it's coming back home afterwards. All I do is suffer for months in and months out.
Veterano - Yeah, I'd love to brag about this broad, but really, I just happened to be the guy who opened my mouth. A bunch of my buddies and I were at one of the spots on walking street playing pool and there she was. We were all gauking at her, but like I said, I happened to be the one to say hello. I don't want to give too much away about her because she's just a regular chick with good looks, but apparently she was on the pageant circuit. Believe me, I was patting myself on the back for that one. Funny thing is we only hooked up a couple times while I was out there. Not because she wasn't willing, but I myself really didn't want to spend too much time with her. To be honest, though she was great, my objective for my trip was to conquer as much pussy as possible and I don't see that changing in the future anytime soon. That has pretty much been how I have treated all the freebee's I've encountered in the LOS. Call me crazy...
J Ride
Traveller08
04-29-07, 16:12
Hello,
Need urgently your help. As I got a very good offer for a trip to Pattaya from my travel agency, my parents both want to accompany me.
Of course I cannot travel with parents to Pattaya, so my question is there a quiet place not to far away from Pattaya where I can hospitalize my parents and make some side trips to Patty?
To my mind even Jomtien and Naklua are too close to Pattaya and have too much bars and nightlife - but do you know any other place with a nice hotel and a nice beach?
I think about the lodge at the Laem Chabang Golf course - is it possible to go from there by taxi to Pattaya within 1/2 hour for a reasonable price?
I would be happy for any idea or suggestion.
Billy Baht
04-30-07, 07:05
No American ghetto, JB, as the number of Americans who can afford to travel to Thailand is much smaller than the number of Europeans who can afford to do so.
Opebo is correct. I used the "ghetto" to add some flair to my writing. There are neighborhoods or groups of bars that tend to have more nationals of a certain nation than others. For example, if the bar's name is "United Manchester Rules" with a Union Jack across the wall, it most likely has a British clientel.
My "ghetto" comment was more in the vein of don't be wary of venturing into a predominately Brit, Scandanavian or German bar.
I'd venture a guess that the highest percentage of Pattaya punters are from the UK, followed by Germans and Scandanavians. Americans are probably fourth or fifth down on the roster. Yes, the 20 to 24 hour airplane ride may have something to do with it :)
Tons of mainland chinese are visiting Pattaya now. They travel in groups of extended family/friends and don't seem to hit the bars much other than a nine or ten p.m. stroll down Walking Street, photographing every thing in site :)
Billy Baht
Indeed those Chinese walk like a herd of cows behind their guide, blind for anybody who walk along, block all the streets and don't mind to pump into other people, without saying an excuse.
Similar the Indian folk, just they come in smaller groups and unlike the Chinese whose just behave like visitors in a Zoo, the Indian try, mostly without success, to hit some hookers (preferably white GIS girls).
Tons of mainland chinese are visiting Pattaya now. They travel in groups of extended family/friends and don't seem to hit the bars much other than a nine or ten p.m. stroll down Walking Street, photographing every thing in site :)
Billy Baht
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In1iZWOOjnI&mode=related&search=
Need an oppinion on this one. I really can't tell, either she is one of the hotest girls I've seen. Or iam a european idiot. Hahahha, so what is it, Thailand expertzz?
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The broad shoulders are the giveaway.
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Bill Miami
04-30-07, 23:33
Hello,
Need urgently your help. As I got a very good offer for a trip to Pattaya from my travel agency, my parents both want to accompany me.
Of course I cannot travel with parents to Pattaya, so my question is there a quiet place not to far away from Pattaya where I can hospitalize my parents and make some side trips to Patty?
To my mind even Jomtien and Naklua are too close to Pattaya and have too much bars and nightlife - but do you know any other place with a nice hotel and a nice beach?
I think about the lodge at the Laem Chabang Golf course - is it possible to go from there by taxi to Pattaya within 1/2 hour for a reasonable price?
I would be happy for any idea or suggestion.
That was funny, out of all the post I have read here this one takes the cake. Good for you, you Horney SOB, you will do anything to get here. I am so proud, a man after my own heart. I have lived here for three years and believe I can offer you a solution to your problem.
This is what I would do and why. Not only are you going to need a taxi at a reasonable price, you are going to need to find one at all times of the day and night. Which you can if you stay on one of the main roads, but it is very hard once you leave them. Below I will post a link I found to most of the real estate agencies in town. Look for rentals at the Ambassador condo. It is about 5 or 6 miles from Pattaya right on the beach located on Sucanvich highway. (I know I spelled it wrong, I don’t know how to spell it) This road is the main road in and out of Pattaya and you will have access to transportation 24 hours a day.
Next, for your parents, at night and for lunch and dinner instead of heading towards Pattaya you can head in the opposite direction and there is a little town there where you can find some good Thai places to eat. You are close the elephants, monkey and sea world type attractions that can keep them busy during the day. Also, there is a golf course is about 10 minutes away. They will be able to walk to the beach, sit in lounge chairs, get massages and have lunch and drinks brought to them by waiters. And best of all, there are not to many bars around that they might find.
You, on the other hand will be able to walk out to the street and get on a Baht bus and get into Pattaya anytime you want. Also, and this is a big consideration, at night when your plastered trying to get back to the condo it will be easy to find.
Good luck, I hope this helps. The web site for the real estate agencies is below.
http://www.jomtien-pattaya-real-estate.com/
Hello,
Need urgently your help. As I got a very good offer for a trip to Pattaya from my travel agency, my parents both want to accompany me.
Of course I cannot travel with parents to Pattaya, so my question is there a quiet place not to far away from Pattaya where I can hospitalize my parents and make some side trips to Patty?
To my mind even Jomtien and Naklua are too close to Pattaya and have too much bars and nightlife - but do you know any other place with a nice hotel and a nice beach?
I think about the lodge at the Laem Chabang Golf course - is it possible to go from there by taxi to Pattaya within 1/2 hour for a reasonable price?
I would be happy for any idea or suggestion.
Your Mom will go nuts with all the Beauty Spas and massages. Your Pop might go nuts with the golf. You could be ST'iming right under their nose and they wouldn't know what was going on. Around Christmas half the customers at the beer bars are British couples getting gassed. Maybe now it is more Ruskies now but you could pull it off. I know many from the UK and the Continent that do.
Fast Eddie 48
05-01-07, 06:00
Indeed those Chinese walk like a herd of cows behind their guide, blind for anybody who walk along, block all the streets and don't mind to pump into other people, without saying an excuse.
Similar the Indian folk, just they come in smaller groups and unlike the Chinese whose just behave like visitors in a Zoo, the Indian try, mostly without success, to hit some hookers (preferably white GIS girls).To DG69,
First week of may is national holiday for China , many mainlander go to vacations to other country you normally don't see too many mainland chinese go to thailand mostly hong konger and taiwanese because they have more money than the mainlander.
Fast eddie 48
Fivebahtwiz
05-01-07, 06:18
Little Frankie is that you? Thought you wanted to relax on the beach with your father and me, but you say you want to 'hospitalize' your parents? What kind of son have we raised? Turn off that computer right now. Don't make me come up there!
Love, Mom
Indeed those Chinese walk like a herd of cows behind their guide, blind for anybody who walk along, block all the streets and don't mind to pump into other people, without saying an excuse.
Similar the Indian folk, just they come in smaller groups and unlike the Chinese whose just behave like visitors in a Zoo, the Indian try, mostly without success, to hit some hookers (preferably white GIS girls).I witnessed a funny thing with Indians 18 months ago at hooters. It's one of my favorite go gos on walking street,great shows and I've had a couple of really nice ladies from there.
Three indian guys walked in and sat at the table next to me. That really sparked my interest, they are around in Pattaya but I'de never seen them in a bar or go go before. Anyway they called over a waitress and ordered a drink, which really surprised me I thought they didn't drink alcohol The waitress comes back with 1 pot of beer which they then shared between them.
I counldn't beleive it they couldn't lash out for 3 beers on tap.
Next they called a really hot dancer over who stayed all of 30 seconds walked off to the bar. They finished the beer together and skulked out of the bar.
I called the dancer over and asked what was the go with them, she said they offered 500 baht to do the 3 of them.
I'm pretty sure the bar fine was about 500 back then.
She also said she wouldn't with them for any money as they stunk.
One of the priceless expriences you go to Pattaya for.
Traveller08,
As mentioned. Get a place in Jomtien with mom and pops. You will have access to Pattaya by taxi. Go do the day trips to the temple's, tiger zoo, gold buddha, etc. with the parents. Wear them out. Tuck them into bed then hit Walking St... find a nice gogo or beer bar girl and get a short time hotel for some fun. Many located around town. Or even some bars have their own "accomodations". Have as much fun as you can.
Red Alert
to dg69,
first week of may is national holiday for china , many mainlander go to vacations to other country you normally don't see too many mainland chinese go to thailand mostly hong konger and taiwanese because they have more money than the mainlander.
fast eddie 48
oh, i don't care about the invasion from mainland china. i am not more in pattaya, but in bkk, though not more too long, too. i will leave tomorrow early morning, so my last 12 hours have start and i feel a bit blue.
i remember when i arrived i had almost 4 weeks in front of me and now it's over. too, sad but thats live. somebody said "live is an illness which lead to death". guess it was also a thailand tourist on his last day. :-(
ok, but there will be another holiday, hopefully this year.
about the difference between the nationalities, pattaya it's really a good place to spot that.
chinese (regardless if from mainland or not) comes mostly in bigger groups and walk like a photografing phalanx along the pedestrian ways and let other people not much chances to use the same way, except if that individual accept to walk behind them with the speed of a snail.
indians are easy to spot by their look. their behaviour and dress is surely special and not my cup of tea, but maybe they have the same impression from me.
the english are also easy to spot. mostly only wearing short trousers, which they pull down from time to time and heavy tatoos all over the body.
the russian comes mostly with very beautiful chicks, obviously their girlfriends or daughters to pattaya. i ask myself why they come to pattaya if they just want make a nice beach holiday?
the germans choose mostly the most ugly girls and the japanese seems to have a good taste regarding beauty of thai women.
Jomtien beach goes a long way down or maybe check out Sunset Beach.
Could be a bit ruff having to slip your parents a Micky Finn.
Good luck
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