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chinese (regardless if from mainland or not) comes mostly in bigger groups and walk like a photografing phalanx along the pedestrian ways and let other people not much chances to use the same way, except if that individual accept to walk behind them with the speed of a snail.
the chinese travel industry markets cheap all-included thailand holidays, and since pattaya is the closest/cheapest "beach" destination to bangkok, that's the beach they get to go to. so pretty much every mainland chinese tourist coming to visit thailand is on a tour of a week or so that includes 2 or 3 days in pattaya. it's same in vietnam -- whenever they market the 5 days 4 nights kinds of trips, it always includes pattaya as the beach destination. ladyboy shows are part of the itinerary, by the way. i think pointing out the 'differences' in thai culture like these (the ones that will shock them) is part of the experience that i think the establishment in those countries isn't exactly trying to downplay. i'm not saying they send all their tourists to pattaya to scare the hell out of them deliberately -- i think it's first and foremost about that it's just cheaper. but it doesn't hurt to throw in a bit of anti-western propaganda if it's there to be had. i always tell upright conservative vietnamese (i'm in vn) that for what they want, pattaya is a terrible destination. that if they want to go pick up hookers and see lots of depravity, yes sure that's the place to go. but if not, then don't. of course they usually just go with the tour because its convenient and cheap. what can you do. an old friend in china of mine went on the thai trip (which included cambodia) and it hit bangkok, pattaya, kanchanaburi... and the 'trip to cambodia' was basically crossing into koh kong and going to a casino. woo hoo. they didn't even get to go to the town of koh kong, just the hotel/resort/casino setup inside the border station. anyway, it gives you an idea of how these things get put together.
Hi,
Comming to pattya on 12th, need a good resonable girl friendly hotel , need your suggestions.
Is Sawasdee Seaview girl friendly?
Regards
I witnessed a funny thing with Indians 18 months ago at hooters. It's one of my favorite go gos on walking street,great shows and I've had a couple of really nice ladies from there.
Three indian guys walked in and sat at the table next to me. That really sparked my interest, they are around in Pattaya but I'de never seen them in a bar or go go before. Anyway they called over a waitress and ordered a drink, which really surprised me I thought they didn't drink alcohol The waitress comes back with 1 pot of beer which they then shared between them.
I counldn't beleive it they couldn't lash out for 3 beers on tap.
Next they called a really hot dancer over who stayed all of 30 seconds walked off to the bar. They finished the beer together and skulked out of the bar.
I called the dancer over and asked what was the go with them, she said they offered 500 baht to do the 3 of them.
I'm pretty sure the bar fine was about 500 back then.
She also said she wouldn't with them for any money as they stunk.
One of the priceless expriences you go to Pattaya for.
Last year I did a visit with a very good friend of mine from Sri Lanka. He is Indian of appearance and whilst in Pattaya he experienced what I can only describe as pure racism from some of the bar girls. They would not entertain him for any price (and he has plenty of money) and I found it quite embarrassing. We were in one bar in particular just off soi 7, and I tried to hook up a gorgeous beauty for him. (He is a bit shy so I helped him out). She took one look at him and shook her head. I tried to explain it away to my friend by saying the girls just do not like Asian men because they remind them of Thai men and my friend seemed satisfied with this explanation. I think the bottom line is that many of the WG's are downright racist but that said at the end of the day they have the right to serve whoever they choose. That said my friend also found many other WG's just as accomodating. Please don't flame me, this is merely my observation of thai girls and their attitude to some cultures and nationalities and I don't wish to open a big "racism" debate. I think we just need to accept that attitudes may not be as liberal as Western cultures
Member #2041
05-05-07, 04:13
Hi,
Comming to pattya on 12th, need a good resonable girl friendly hotel , need your suggestions.
Regards
It's a shame that nobody has ever posted any info here that might help you in this regard. Except perhaps, just possibly, in the forum cryptically entitled, "Pattaya Hotels". Perhaps you should read it.
Is Sawasdee Seaview girl friendly?I stayed there at the end of Feb07 and I brought a girl back no problem. Never had any problem at any of the Sawasdee Hotels in Pattaya over the years. Room was a std double with aircon, and cost 650B including Breakfast. Room rate is now 600B from 1 April till 31 Oct.
It's a shame that nobody has ever posted any info here that might help you in this regard. Except perhaps, just possibly, in the forum cryptically entitled, "Pattaya Hotels". Perhaps you should read it.
I was this time in the Dynasty Inn in Soi 13 in Pattaya. It's a good Hotel, clean about 1200 Bath a day. It`s girlfriendly and quite in the center of Action. Though it has no pool and usually when I stay longer in Pattaya I prefer a resort. East Sea Resort in Soi Naklua are nice. 1000 - 2000 Bath for a Bungaloo.
Also, good but a bit more expensive is Sabai Resort near Big C, (Soi 3).
But, there are plenty of Hotels in Pattaya and best is to book two nights in let's say Dynasty Inn and than search for a Hotel which suits you the best.
@Mortman
I don't think that the Thais more racists than other nationalities. Some Thai girls would not sleep with a so called Chocolate Man how the called African People. But, others are crazy for them. Just go in clubs like Lutzifer where they play usually black music. A black guy will find there easily a girl.
Indians have a bad reputation because of the bad behaviour whose many Indians have.
I myself saw often how bad they behave. I once sat in a pick up bus with my Russian girlfriend. They look at her like dogs look to a piece of flesh. They said something like lucky guy to me and I wouldn't wonder if they would start with mastrubation.
Many of the Indians Tourists in Thailand behave very badly and that give them a bad reputation which Unfortunatelly also strike the good mannered Indians.
I think the bottom line is that many of the WG's are downright racist but that said at the end of the day they have the right to serve whoever they choose. That said my friend also found many other WG's just as accomodating. Please don't flame me, this is merely my observation of thai girls and their attitude to some cultures and nationalities and I don't wish to open a big "racism" debate. I think we just need to accept that attitudes may not be as liberal as Western cultures
You are definitely correct that most of them hate Subcontinentals. However your friend, or others of that persuasion, will find that the lower end girls don't display this ill-will nearly as much as girls in go-gos. For example the Beach was always very egalitarian, with many girls accepting Indians, Thais, and so forth as customers. I would suggest that you direct your friend there, though of course due to police crackdown there are only a few girls to be found.
Evil Penivel
05-05-07, 19:49
Please don't flame me, this is merely my observation of thai girls and their attitude to some cultures and nationalities and I don't wish to open a big "racism" debate. I think we just need to accept that attitudes may not be as liberal as Western cultures
I'm not flaming, just offering the other side of the argument.
Threads about discrimination at LOS nightspots pop up regularly on the punter boards. Too much emphasis is placed on racist ideology as the motivation for refusal of some gogo bars to admit men of color. As a few posters have pointed out, it is almost entirely a commercial decision, Bar owners are simply trying to cultivate the core customer group they need to survive. Denying an individual access on the basis of race or ethnicity to essential public services or even private-sphere services such as hotels, restaurants, department stores, etc. is very wrong. However, bars and P4P establishments fall into a different category. It's hard to argue that everyone has a "fundamental right" to visit gogo bars.
It’s nothing to get upset about, whether you are farang or non-farang. If you can't get into one bar, just look for another.
The "'welcome' you get in LOS gogo bars an other P4P-related establishsments is NOT based on your race or country of origin, but on the perception most barowners and TGs have of certain groups as good or bad customers. That perception is in turn based on past experience, it's founded on the realities of interacting with farangs on one hand and Indians/Arabs on the other, not abstract prejudice.
Some groups are considered bad customers by both the bar owners and the girls. Ask any Thai P4P provider who the least desirable customers are and she'll tell you "Indian men." They aren't specifically referring to men from the Republic of India, but TG's tend to term all men from South Asia as well as Arabs as "Indians." When many TGs speak about Indians, they are using a homemade translation for the Thai term “kaek” (alternate spelling "khak."). It refers to people from a swathe of countries from Turkey to Nepal, not just citizens of the Republic of India. In fact, it's more likely that when a Thai speaks of "Indian people," it's Arabs who are meant.
Saying "no" to any customer means the girl (and her family) might not eat that night, so it's not something they do lightly. There has to be a very compelling reason for a FLer or BG not to want a certain type of customer. One BG explained it this way "Ten farangs, one bad customer. Ten Indian men, all bad customers."
The whole dynamic of a gogo or beer bar is based on punters meeting up with TGs. If the girls won't work at or go into a place because too many of the punters scare them or make them gag, the desired customers will stay away as well. The bars that ban certain groups of customers do so out of a sense of self-preservation. And it's a strategy that works pretty well. For every farang that is offended by discrimination of "Indian men," a dozen more will consider such a policy an attraction. The owners of the bars know they eat well thanks a predominately farang customer base - why would they want to change things? So that one guy out of a hundred will regard them as an equal-opportunity or Rainbow-C oalition bar? Not likely.
Restrictive admission policies exist everywhere and can be aimed at any group.I’m about as mainstream white, Anglo-Saxon and Protestant as you can get, but there are a half-dozen bars within walking distance of my apartment in New York City that would refuse me service if I tried to visit them.Is it because those bar owners hate WASP men? That may be a tiny part of it, but mostly it’s because I don’t fit in with the customers on which the bar owner is dependent for his livelihood.
To the degree that I remind customers of a law enforcement agent, process server, bail bondsman, private investigator, insurance claims adjuster, social worker, building inspector, district attorney or any of a number of other professions.that spell trouble for certain people, I tend to scare away his target customers. Or someone will start a fight with me and that could result in huge trouble for the bar owner.In other cases, it’s simply because I’m too old or dressed the wrong way for the crowd in the bar.
Do I care? Not one bit. In fact, I’m thankful when doormen warn me up front that a certain bar is “not for you.” That way I don’t waste time or money in a place where I’m not going to have a good time under any circumstances.They don't want me there - hey, then I don't want to be there.
Same-same in LOS. There are Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Thai, Arabic, Indian, and African bars and clubs that don’t want me or any farang as a customer. In Pattaya and BKK, there are of course many places where the tables are turned – I belong to the group from which the bar draws its desired customer base while some non-farangs are refused at the door. Moreover, if an Indian or Arab behaves like a good farang customer or is accompanied by several farangs, there's usually no problem in gaining entrance.
I have noticed, though, that there’s a lot of confusion in these threads and some background might help.In the 1970's and 1980's, oilfield and construction workers working in the Gulf states became an important part of the LOS P4P scheme. Those guys had a lot of money and spent it freely while in LOS. Because these workers were so badly treated on the job, they refused to sit in the same bar as Arabs. If an Arab walked in, the construction/oil workers would leave en masse. Alternately, the drunkest among them would beat the crap out of the Arabs. In either case, it was easier for the bar owner to avoid all hassles by banning Arabs. An additional "historical" factor to explain the prejudice many BGs feel against "Indian men" has been their inability to understand the bar-fine system. There have been a lot of cases where Indian men refused to compensate BGs after a night of sex because they thought the B/F was an all-in fee.
The one point of pride that a lot of Thai P4P providers still have is, "Indian man never touch me." It's not abstract prejudice. The girls know by hard (and painful) experience who the worst customers are. Violence (beatings and worse) isn't uncommon from some customers. Almost always they will try to cheat the girls out of their hard-earned (and there's no harder "hard-earned" than servicing those guys) money. They agree to pay the girl 1,500B or 2,000B, then only give her 500B. Or tell her that if she wants 2,000B, she has to do five of his friends as well. Poor personal hygiene is also a big turn-off for TGs and they are firmly convinced Indians/Arab are "stinky men" even after a baths/shower.
Evil
Booty Talk
05-05-07, 21:50
I'm a young african man living in europe. I just came back from my first trip to thailand and pattaya. I was in pattaya for a week alone.
What surprised me most is that most thais dont know much about africa, and they even thought I was indian. But still I never had any problem on any bar, body massage parlour, discos, hotels or with any girl. I did quiet many girls on my trip over there, and all girls where happy when they left.
There was only one bar where they asked me if i was a member after I went in, I said no and had to leave. Of course I understand that non of the other ppl there were members, and that they just wanted me to leave. But I just went to another bar, hundreds of bars in the city. I dont want to stay in a bar where I am not welcome, so it was no problem.
As some of you have said in here, the girls also told me indian and arab men are not popular among the girls. But I never had any problem with the girls, even though many of them thought I was indian. Some of them even said guys from russia and east europe were not popular, but I dont know why or if it is true.
I liked Pattaya and Thailand, and will go back.
Fred C Dobbs
05-06-07, 03:15
Last year I did a visit with a very good friend of mine from Sri Lanka. He is Indian of appearance and whilst in Pattaya he experienced what I can only describe as pure racism from some of the bar girls. They would not entertain him for any price (and he has plenty of money) and I found it quite embarrassing. We were in one bar in particular just off soi 7, and I tried to hook up a gorgeous beauty for him. (He is a bit shy so I helped him out). She took one look at him and shook her head. I tried to explain it away to my friend by saying the girls just do not like Asian men because they remind them of Thai men and my friend seemed satisfied with this explanation. I think the bottom line is that many of the WG's are downright racist but that said at the end of the day they have the right to serve whoever they choose. That said my friend also found many other WG's just as accomodating. Please don't flame me, this is merely my observation of thai girls and their attitude to some cultures and nationalities and I don't wish to open a big "racism" debate. I think we just need to accept that attitudes may not be as liberal as Western cultures
I knew a Thai girl that worked as a waitress in a Thai restaurant in southern California. After a particularly bad experience serving some Indian men she told me about a saying where she was from, Chanthaburi I think it was. "If you meet a Cobra and an Indian on the road, you kill the Indian first." Always made me wonder how they got hated so badly there.
Member #3173
05-06-07, 03:40
In Penang where I am there has been long ago the same attitute.
BTW am going to Pattaya first time from Bangkok airport.Can anyone confirm
a direct (and comfortable) bus straight to Pattaya.Any budget hotel at the
bus terminal in Road 3 within walking distance to Soi 6 to 8 and the show bars?
Is there a town between Bangkok airport and Pattaya for a stopover stay?
Member #4378
05-06-07, 03:50
I was this time in the Dynasty Inn in Soi 13 in Pattaya. It's a good Hotel, clean about 1200 Bath a day. It`s girlfriendly and quite in the center of Action. Though it has no pool and ...
I stayed there a few months ago and there was a pool and jacuzi on the rooftop.
#3173
Of course, you can get a bus, and it is very cheap. I usually take a taxi. Costs $25.00 to $30.00, but it is comfortable and fast. I don't see why you would want to make a stopover at a town between Bangkok and Pattaya; it should only take a little over two hours to get there.
i'm not flaming, just offering the other side of the argument.
it's not a cut and dry issue from either side... the first part of your defense came off to me as a rationalization in favor of racial segregation. it's fair to call it by that name, i think. and in the country we both come from, the us, it's probably the one issue you can best count on to get the most people the most upset. the "studio 54" phenomenon isn't a good analogy because race has nothing to do with their criteria. (by the way, that velvet rope discrimination is pretty creepy too).
however, it's tougher to argue against these bigoted ideas if they've been formed by real experiences like a tendency to get stiffed on their fee, or surprise gang bangs or the like. is that true? could be. or it could be a very few bad eggs creating enough of a stir, stories getting passed along, myths and prejudices created. i don't know, honestly. i tend to think there is some basis in reality for it though. i know here in vietnam, african expats have been caught causing trouble enough (scams, counterfeiting, etc.) that it's now making it tougher for all of them here. i think the scene in thailand as it exists now kind of depends on a certain level of trust, mainly that the girls need to be able to trust that they're not going to be abused (ripped off, raped, etc) if they go with customers. and that seems to have been respected until now by their clientele, who are mainly tourists from developed countries (us, europe, japan, korea, etc.).
now my last time in bkk, i was hitting some bars with a friend who works in nyc. he's older, black. in personality he comes across as a kind of black santa claus ( beard, always happy and smiling and joking -- total people person, life of the party). he's probably what i'd call rich, too. earns over $200k. if the system there was going to deny this guy, then i'd have to say something is wrong with the system. as it was, we never had a problem anywhere. i don't know if we were just lucky.
I'm a young african man living in europe. I just came back from my first trip to thailand and pattaya. I was in pattaya for a week alone.
What surprised me most is that most thais dont know much about africa, and they even thought I was indian. But still I never had any problem on any bar, body massage parlour, discos, hotels or with any girl. I did quiet many girls on my trip over there, and all girls where happy when they left.
There was only one bar where they asked me if i was a member after I went in, I said no and had to leave. Of course I understand that non of the other ppl there were members, and that they just wanted me to leave. But I just went to another bar, hundreds of bars in the city. I dont want to stay in a bar where I am not welcome, so it was no problem.
As some of you have said in here, the girls also told me indian and arab men are not popular among the girls. But I never had any problem with the girls, even though many of them thought I was indian. Some of them even said guys from russia and east europe were not popular, but I dont know why or if it is true.
I liked Pattaya and Thailand, and will go back.
The girls are their for your pleasure and to take your money, and they loath
non-Thais so don't worry about whether they like you or not. Thais don't care about what goes on outside of their little world. The Indians and Arabs are probably the only people with any money sense left and will haggle about the prices, while everybody else is allowing Thais to inflate the prices on everything from Aiport Cab Rides to Short Times. The girls cut the bruthaz slack as far as doing them unbagged now because the girls all want a little "Tiger" of their own so enjoy that perk while it lasts.
the girls all want a little "Tiger" of their own so enjoy that perk while it lasts.
Um, you mean a Tiger Woods? ;-) If that's what you mean, that's kinda funny.
Um, you mean a Tiger Woods? ;-) If that's what you mean, that's kinda funny.
More 1000 bht short timers and long times from Bangkok and Pattaya. I don't know what they like more, texting or the soap operas!
I stayed there a few months ago and there was a pool and jacuzi on the rooftop.
Oh, might be most likely true, I wasn't at the rooftop and I also didn't ask the staff if they have a pool. I just saw from my balcony that there was no pool downstairs.
Booty Talk
05-07-07, 16:37
Yes, BuleDaddy, you are right. The girls love my money, but I always knew that:)
By the way, when in pattaya, there is a Tourist Information Center close to the busstation (the busstation where the bangkok bus arrive and departure from). If you have never been in Pattaya before, I would recommend you to go there, They will help you with booking hotel and other things. Very friendly and nice girls woking there, they are even open and will even give you info about nightlife and girls in pattaya, what to do and what not to do.
Also if you are looking for a nice bodymassage, go to Sabai Dee in Soi 2. Nice place, friendly staff who are good in english, very clean place and many beautifyl girls. The price is a bit high, but it is worth it since the standard on the girls and the place is high. 1600 bath for 90 minutes of what ever you want.
Phantomtiger2
05-08-07, 00:36
. Some of them even said guys from russia and east europe were not popular, but I dont know why or if it is true.
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Not always but in general based on my experiences that the above is most likely the case in Pattaya.
Although some of the Russkies are known to be big spenders, alot of them also are rough on the gals (from what I heard only). Also, most Thai associate the Russkies with the Mob.
PT
Yes, BuleDaddy, you are right. The girls love my money, but I always knew that:)
By the way, when in pattaya, there is a Tourist Information Center close to the busstation (the busstation where the bangkok bus arrive and departure from). If you have never been in Pattaya before, I would recommend you to go there, They will help you with booking hotel and other things. Very friendly and nice girls woking there, they are even open and will even give you info about nightlife and girls in pattaya, what to do and what not to do.
Also if you are looking for a nice bodymassage, go to Sabai Dee in Soi 2. Nice place, friendly staff who are good in english, very clean place and many beautifyl girls. The price is a bit high, but it is worth it since the standard on the girls and the place is high. 1600 bath for 90 minutes of what ever you want.
I get bored to tears in Pattaya after several days. I can only blow two loads a day after a few days. I have to save it up for quality sessions. 5-10 years ago it was about numbers, it was cheaper and the girls much more "sye" and charming. Bangkok has so much more to do and I like to hook up with girls that don't head right back to the bar or the "lot". Not the GFE everybody is talking about, but "new recruits" that haven't gotten business-like yet. Pattaya is run by bar girls, but Bangkok has lots to do and many girls trying to be straight up and finding that their lousy wage doesn't keep them in baby formula and Daddy out of debt. The Pothia straight massage place is right by the Sabadee room and the Big C. I usually get a massage there or from the blind people towards Naklua when in Pattaya. As much as I like boning the girls, I usually go for the straight massages being a banged up guy in his 60's.
Enjoy
Evil Penivel
05-08-07, 17:08
Suspected Uzbekistani Prostitutes arrested on Walking Street.
In the early hours of Wednesday Morning, Police Lieutenant Colonel Wootishart, the Chief of Pattaya’s Tourist Police Division conducted an undercover operation on Walking Street in response to complaints of foreign prostitutes operating in the area. Using foreign undercover operatives, posing as customers, contact was made with the alleged prostitutes and marked bank notes were handed over in exchange for sexual services. The women were taken to a predetermined hotel just off Walking Street where they were duly arrested. At the end of the operation a total of three Uzbekistani Nationals were arrested and taken to the Tourist Police Station and charged with Prostitution. They will now go to court and could face imprisonment followed by deportation if convicted.
Link: Pattaya City News (http://www.pattayacitynews.net/news_02_05_50.htm)
Check out the pictures! It would be interesting to know if it's a genuine Uzbek passport or a counterfeit one and what the visa stamp looks like. If it is a genuine passport then publishing the real identities is actually a very good way to discourage CIS hookers from working in Thailand. Fines, a few days in jail or deportation are considered by them to be acceptable risks in their line of work, but none wants the public label of "*****" to hang over them the rest of their lives.
Of course, since these women are all run by the Boris or Chenchen mafias, it's not certain they have much choice. They have literally sold themselves body and soul. They either do what the pimps say or their children/relatives back in Uzbekistan get their fingers cut off. Best if Thailand can stop the whole thing by one means or the other.
Evil
Anyone know the deal with those annoying survey takers on the streets of Pattaya? They carry a clipboard and survey paper and always ask you where you are from as you walk by.
I ignore them as I think they are some sort of scam, due to a distasteful experience with similar survey takers in Bali several years ago.
Thanks if anyone can enlighten me here.
Tazzy Devil
05-09-07, 06:12
Anyone know the deal with those annoying survey takers on the streets of Pattaya? They carry a clipboard and survey paper and always ask you where you are from as you walk by.
I ignore them as I think they are some sort of scam, due to a distasteful experience with similar survey takers in Bali several years ago.
Thanks if anyone can enlighten me here.
You are right it is a scam, they take your name and hotel and call you the next day saying you have won a prize or you scratch a ticket on the spot and most times you have won the major prize.
to collect they will pick you up and taken to a hotel to listen to their bullshit.
A couple of options is to tell them that you live in Thailand or give then a different name and hotel.
I am polite and civil to the ones with the clipboards as they are like all of us, just trying to make a living.
It is the westerners who try & spill their bullshit that pisses me off
SidTheSexist
05-09-07, 06:47
You are right it is a scam, they take your name and hotel and call you the next day saying you have won a prize or you scratch a ticket on the spot and most times you have won the major prize.
to collect they will pick you up and taken to a hotel to listen to their bullshit.
A couple of options is to tell them that you live in Thailand or give then a different name and hotel.I am polite and civil to the ones with the clipboards as they are like all of us, just trying to make a living. It is the westerners who try & spill their bullshit that pisses me offI was under the impression that some of them actually work for the tourism authority and are sometimes genuine. Im totally aware of the con artists, but Ive stopped before (with no intention of going any further than my intended route) and have been given no bullshit after answering a couple of innocent questions such as why im in pattaya and how many times have I been. I always find it funny when the options for "why," are weather, golf, beaches or culture. I just move along the list and tell them its not there. :D
Sid
PS some of the girls with the clipboards are worth stopping and chatting to :D
Anyone know the deal with those annoying survey takers on the streets of Pattaya? They carry a clipboard and survey paper and always ask you where you are from as you walk by.
While walking past them, I invariably say with a smile that I'm from the North Pole. They stop bothering me immediately
You are right it is a scam, they take your name and hotel and call you the next day saying you have won a prize or you scratch a ticket on the spot and most times you have won the major prize.
to collect they will pick you up and taken to a hotel to listen to their bullshit.
A couple of options is to tell them that you live in Thailand or give then a different name and hotel.
I am polite and civil to the ones with the clipboards as they are like all of us, just trying to make a living.
It is the westerners who try & spill their bullshit that pisses me off
It's not really a scam, they're screening clients to look at timeshares. Some of the keys they're looking for are travel to Thailand often and stay between 1 and 2 weeks.
Tell them you normally stay 2-3 months at a time or you reside in Thailand and they won't want to talk to you anymore.
If you answer that you return every year and stay for 1-2 weeks they will offer you a scratch off ticket that probably says you won a free lunch.
I went once because I liked the girl taking the survey, she hailed a taxi and took me to View Talay for lunch then a tour of the property, followed by a high pressure sales attempt. After telling them I didn't want to buy anything they gave me a ride back to Pattaya.
I just wish I would have gotten the girls phone #.
While walking past them, I invariably say with a smile that I'm from the North Pole. They stop bothering me immediately
Daddy what also works is telling them you are from South Africa - it stops them
dead in their tracks and is rather funny.
I learned slowly in Mexico, you can make money from time share venders.
My first time i got a day cruze.- Big deal. Later i found out You can get $200- $300 USdollars for sufering three hours. I learned this from a second layer vender - a gringo. And the presentation is insestant. They pressure you a ton. all the logic is to BUY. 'You can save $$' I tested this (in Mexico with a guy who wouldn't shut up. I said $300 us cashola! No, No ,No he said, as me and my wife mosied down the street. he changed his mind OK senor $200!!!
Ask them their $ price!!!!!!!!
Also, you need a credit card or blank check in your possetion. If they ask you if you're married and you reply-yes, your wife must attend also.
Fourniceight
05-10-07, 12:33
"All the logic is to buy". That is absolutely true and might force the unwary into a corner. The ONLY way I know to throw them off guard is to say "I DON'T LIKE IT". They have answers to everything except that.
When I get approached by one of the clip board people I either play games with them by giving a false name and hotel and a bunch of other outragiously fabricated lies, or I ask them flat out if they would like to go to my room and have sex if they look good.
Its only worked once, and it ended up that the girl and her male partner and I had a fairly wild and drunken evening of food, Mekhong with soda on the rocks, and taking turns for about five hours. It was good.
Most of the time I've just gotten very dirty looks, which sometimes seemed to spread and follow me around for a couple of days.
When I get approached by one of the clip board people I either play games with them by giving a false name and hotel and a bunch of other outragiously fabricated lies, or I ask them flat out if they would like to go to my room and have sex if they look good.
Its only worked once, and it ended up that the girl and her male partner and I had a fairly wild and drunken evening of food, Mekhong with soda on the rocks, and taking turns for about five hours. It was good.
Most of the time I've just gotten very dirty looks, which sometimes seemed to spread and follow me around for a couple of days.
Pattaya pooyings on the beach road w/clipboards asking me all these questions and I fill my name in as Peter Gozinya, and tell I am there only to boom boom Isan girl dtood (ass), but not her because she is Soooeee Mai (pretty not) with a pockmarked face like a golf ball and she STILL tells me I won some stupid prize and some Aussie Scammer working with her steps up and says "Congratulations Mate, you just won a star Tour". Between the scamming Thais and their deadbeat Aussie partners Pattaya is well on it's way to becoming another Cancun. Every trip there is a loudmouth car salesman looking Aussie in an internet cafe on the phone talking outloud about some great deal he has a shot at but the magnetic strip on his card is shot or he got robbed or something. I go take a dump, shower and change and walk back in and he starts up with the same speil. You are lucky they didn't drug your Mekong and Soda.
Khun Larry
05-11-07, 08:18
More 1000 bht short timers and long times from Bangkok and Pattaya. I don't know what they like more, texting or the soap operas!
looks like some good quality there!
1000 baht is good price, where you find em
Khun Larry
05-11-07, 08:31
Hello,
Need urgently your help. As I got a very good offer for a trip to Pattaya from my travel agency, my parents both want to accompany me.
Of course I cannot travel with parents to Pattaya, so my question is there a quiet place not to far away from Pattaya where I can hospitalize my parents and make some side trips to Patty?
Have a look at the LEK hotel, there seems to be alot of parents hospitalized there. Some even have Thai nurses.
Greetings,
Does anyone have an eMail address or phone number for JP Court.
Many thanks in advace. I plane on staying there May 23 till May 31.
BELMONT
Greetings,
Does anyone have an eMail address or phone number for JP Court.
Many thanks in advace. I plane on staying there May 23 till May 31.
BELMONT
Google search turned this up.
Hotel name J. P. Villa
Address 185/33 Moo.6 Pattaya-Naklua Road
Tel. +66 38 727470-5,727746-9
Fax. +66 38 727475
Room No. 60
Room Rate 700-700 Thai Baht
Originally posted by Eaglestar
Hotel name J. P. Villa
Address 185/33 Moo.6 Pattaya-Naklua RoadNo, this is not the one!
This is the right one. Just off Soi Buakao, next to Hotel Opey de Place (also just as good)
J&P Court, Soi Lengkee, Pattaya, tel., 03 841 4805 e-mail; JP_COURT@hotmail.com (note that there is an "_" after the JP and before the COURT, in this email address)
I was quoted 750B per day here from 1 March 2007.
M P Lurker
05-13-07, 00:27
The girls are their for your pleasure and to take your money, and they loath
non-Thais so don't worry about whether they like you or not. Thais don't care about what goes on outside of their little world. The Indians and Arabs are probably the only people with any money sense left and will haggle about the prices, while everybody else is allowing Thais to inflate the prices on everything from Aiport Cab Rides to Short Times. The girls cut the bruthaz slack as far as doing them unbagged now because the girls all want a little "Tiger" of their own so enjoy that perk while it lasts.
This is a ridiculous generalisation. Thai girls do not loath non-Thais! Only the ones that are not nice, smelly, dirty, disrespectful, foul mouthed, excessively stingy, etc.
(I am not referring to hi-so girls here since I don't know any)
Of course Farangs are considered easy to con for those girls into that thing.
Are you loathed by all Thai girls?
One girl recently offered to go with me on the second night for free and I got my free night. Thats because she liked me and had a good time and she didn't want me to go with someone else. She knew very well that I wasn't hooked and the free night wasn't going to hook me either.
However many Thai girls would like to marry the right Farang (non-Asian) and hope for a wonderful life with their "prince". But experienced girls are not into trusting any guy easily, Thai or Farang. They have been caught out before.
Wheelchair_Guy
05-13-07, 02:51
I will be flying into Bangkok on Sunday the 20th and heading straight to Pattaya for my annual two-week Birthday trip.
While I find almost all Thai girls attractive, I admit to a constant craving for big breasts.
Real or surgically enhanced does not matter -- as long as the the pussy is real.
As it has been a year since my last trip and things are constantly changing, I would be grateful if anyone could PM with any recent info on large-breasted beauties.
Names and places would be a big help.
I happen to be paralyzed and in a wheelchair, but I have no problem pushing from Soi 13 down to Soi 6 or anywhere around Walking Street.
Thank you in advance for any assistance.
Wheelchair Racer
This is a ridiculous generalisation. Thai girls do not loath non-Thais! Only the ones that are not nice, smelly, dirty, disrespectful, foul mouthed, excessively stingy, etc.
(I am not referring to hi-so girls here since I don't know any)
Of course Farangs are considered easy to con for those girls into that thing.
Are you loathed by all Thai girls?
One girl recently offered to go with me on the second night for free and I got my free night. Thats because she liked me and had a good time and she didn't want me to go with someone else. She knew very well that I wasn't hooked and the free night wasn't going to hook me either.
However many Thai girls would like to marry the right Farang (non-Asian) and hope for a wonderful life with their "prince". But experienced girls are not into trusting any guy easily, Thai or Farang. They have been caught out before.
Don't get me wrong, those girls charm the living Sh*^ out of me with those kitty cat voices and wai'ing....
I do very well with them as I have a good understanding of their culture, speak the lingo, love the food, massages, buddist concepts, "sopping", and Bangkok in general. I never have any problem because I usually get two girls and they walk in front of or behind me even sitting at a different table at a restaurant. I might spend a hundred bucks to rent a Chao Prya (sic) longtail boat for an afternoon w/beer and food for them to bring all their friends. I like having non-bargirls who's orifaces I can lick. I love to watch them go wild. They are totally uninhibited except for the modesty thing. These are usually students w/wimpy student boyfriends. The girls tell their male friends that I am gay. So I post this stuff w/shock value because I hate to see prices get inflated and I hate to see guys get chumped. Too many dudes get all warm and fuzzy with all that Thai "candy coating".
I don't know if any of you guys ever long to here the ever-so-redundant bar songs that play over and over again on Soi Song, Sam, See, Ha, Hok, Jet, Bat, but I do. When I'm at home, it's a nice reminder of Pattaya. Really, I have no idea if anybody cares, but here are some popular tracks, minus the most recent hip-hop...
Super - Jamelia
Don't Lie - Black Eyed Peas
The Magic Key - One-T and Cool-T
7 Days - Craig David
Sunrise - Simply Red
Hit Em Up Style - Blue Cantrell
The Sounds of San Francisco - Global Deejays
Smack That - Eminem ft. Akon
The ketchup Song - Las Ketchup
Fly By - Blue
Scandolous - Misteeq
El Nin-Yo! - Tata Young
Don't Phunk With My Heart - Black Eyed Peas
Breathe - Blue Cantrell
This Love - Maroon 5
All Rise - Blue
Stop! Stop! Stop! - Nu Virgos
One Love - Blue
Cheeky Song - Cheeky Girls
Lonely No More - Rob Thomas
Dhoom Dhoom - Tata Young
Breathless - The Corrs
Oh Oh Oh - China Dolls
Sexy, Naughty, Bitchy - Tata Young
Bounce - Sarah Connor
PUsh the Button - Sugababes
She Will Be Loved - Maroon 5
Believe - Cher
Bad Touch - Bloodhound Gang
Forced Hand
05-13-07, 23:34
I got a question that may be tough. Which is better for a short stay in Thailand, Bangkok or Pattaya? I want to try all the hetrosexual delights that Thailand has to offer.
I got a question that may be tough. Which is better for a short stay in Thailand, Bangkok or Pattaya? I want to try all the hetrosexual delights that Thailand has to offer.
That depends on how short, you mean by "short time". If you're only staying for a night or two, I'd say stay in Bangkok. Because, once you arrive in Bangkok, it's another two hours by taxi to Pattaya - no fun eating up your limited time on the road. So, if you have three nights or more, I'd go to Pattaya because there you have lower prices, softer girls and beach life. Bangkok definately has its charms minus what I just said of Pattaya. Regardless of where you are, you'll have a good time...
J Ride
Only Looking
05-14-07, 01:02
i'm not flaming, just offering the other side of the argument.
the one point of pride that a lot of thai p4p providers still have is, "indian man never touch me." it's not abstract prejudice. the girls know by hard (and painful) experience who the worst customers are. violence (beatings and worse) isn't uncommon from some customers. almost always they will try to cheat the girls out of their hard-earned (and there's no harder "hard-earned" than servicing those guys) money. they agree to pay the girl 1,500b or 2,000b, then only give her 500b. or tell her that if she wants 2,000b, she has to do five of his friends as well. poor personal hygiene is also a big turn-off for tgs and they are firmly convinced indians/arab are "stinky men" even after a baths/shower.
evili am of indian origin but an american citizen and have lived in the us for over 20 years. i have noticed occasional discrimination in los but its less racial and more cultural. once i explain that i am from america the attitude changes. it also probably helps that i am usually with my white buddy. i have also heard the girls complain that many indian men smell bad and i believe this because deoderant is not part of a typical indian bathroom. nor is the habit of numerous showers because water is often in short supply. thais are fanatical about their multiple showers per day.
i shrug off the racism from any given bar girl because for every one that turns me down there are a hundred others to service me. but i agree with another poster that indians are probably more prone to haggle. its part of the culture and if you earn in rupees there is no currency advantage to the thb unlike us dollar earners. i earn over usd 150k per year but i dont feel like being taken advantage of and i usually try to bargain at least a little with the girls there. i do it playfully but still try. if they turn out to be really good though i dont mind tipping them to the original quote or higher.
Goodfeller
05-14-07, 01:38
I got a question that may be tough. Which is better for a short stay in Thailand, Bangkok or Pattaya? I want to try all the hetrosexual delights that Thailand has to offer.Even with the travel time, Pattaya is still the better option, IMHO. It's more of a party atmosphere and as stated before, it's cheaper. Not only for girls but food and accomodations as well. The girls are generally better in service and I've found better looking one's. The area is, for the most part, more concentrated and easier to navigate. Less pollution, better climate even if an occasional breeze and more things to do in and out of the hobby make it a no brainer for me. All my opinion of course. I should say that while I can't wait to get back, (9 days), I can't usually hang out for more than 3 or 4 days. It gets to be just too much, but for a couple days is perfect. Just don't leave with the impression that you've "seen" Thailand though you will have a great, memorable time. Enjoy!
J Ride
Ever since my first trip to Pattaya 4 years ago, I've thougth about putting together a CD of the music I heard there. All I needed was a song list. Thank you.
Egg
I will be in Pattaya May 17-20 and I really want a CIM BJ - UNcovered. Several, if time and Viagara permit. Last time I visited the Pump Station on Soi 13 I got good covered BJ; but I want UNcovered, CIM.
Do any of the BJ bars offer the uncovered BJ? Or any other suggestions to help me indulge in this particular delight?
Thanks,
LJ
Fourniceight
05-14-07, 09:42
Ljohnson,
Several bars on soi 6 will accomodate you. King Kong, My Friend You, to name a couple.
Alejandro66
05-14-07, 10:26
I will be in Pattaya May 17-20 and I really want a CIM BJ - UNcovered. Several, if time and Viagara permit. Last time I visited the Pump Station on Soi 13 I got good covered BJ; but I want UNcovered, CIM.
Do any of the BJ bars offer the uncovered BJ? Or any other suggestions to help me indulge in this particular delight?
Thanks,
LJ
I think you are the only guy who ever got a COVER blow job at Pump Station!
I suggest you any bar in soi 6, or any beer bar in soi 7/8. Most of the girls there will oblige a BBBJ witn CIM. If you are not sure about her performance, just ask her in advance. No need to be shy in Pattaya!
Regards,
Alex
Member #3200
05-14-07, 14:54
have you tried [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s bj bar on soi diana?
ThaiLearner
05-14-07, 15:49
i will be in pattaya may 17-20 and i really want a cim bj - uncovered. several, if time and viagara permit. last time i visited the pump station on soi 13 i got good covered bj; but i want uncovered, cim.
do any of the bj bars offer the uncovered bj? or any other suggestions to help me indulge in this particular delight?
thanks,
lj
you could try [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) or even the hell club for a bit more action both on lk metro
Phantomtiger2
05-15-07, 00:22
i am of indian origin but an american citizen and have lived in the us for over 20 years. i have noticed occasional discrimination in los but its less racial and more cultural. once i explain that i am from america the attitude changes. it also probably helps that i am usually with my white buddy. i have also heard the girls complain that many indian men smell bad and i believe this because deoderant is not part of a typical indian bathroom. nor is the habit of numerous showers because water is often in short supply. thais are fanatical about their multiple showers per day.
i shrug off the racism from any given bar girl because for every one that turns me down there are a hundred others to service me. but i agree with another poster that indians are probably more prone to haggle. its part of the culture and if you earn in rupees there is no currency advantage to the thb unlike us dollar earners. i earn over usd 150k per year but i dont feel like being taken advantage of and i usually try to bargain at least a little with the girls there. i do it playfully but still try. if they turn out to be really good though i dont mind tipping them to the original quote or higher.
it's not really racism per-se, it's a perception of bad business.
many thai p4p gals are working on the assumption that all indians are bad for business because some are cheap bastards (they never tip ), others have been known to gang [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) them for the price of 1 guy, even others have been known to f**k and run without paying. yes, sadly some of these stories are true to some extend but be aware that these indians are mostly from poorer india on vacation and not from other more western countries. so based on just word of mouth, all indians have gotten a bad rap. you shouldn't worry as they can generally tell if you are a more westernizes person simply by how you dress and talk and act. from my own experiences, all the more richer westernize indians i've met never had a problem in los.
pt
J Ride
Ever since my first trip to Pattaya 4 years ago, I've thougth about putting together a CD of the music I heard there. All I needed was a song list. Thank you.
Egg
My pleasure Egg. Music is a nice reminder of our fondest place.
J Ride
I will be flying into Bangkok on Sunday the 20th and heading straight to Pattaya for my annual two-week Birthday trip.
While I find almost all Thai girls attractive, I admit to a constant craving for big breasts.
Real or surgically enhanced does not matter -- as long as the the pussy is real.
As it has been a year since my last trip and things are constantly changing, I would be grateful if anyone could PM with any recent info on large-breasted beauties.
Names and places would be a big help.
I happen to be paralyzed and in a wheelchair, but I have no problem pushing from Soi 13 down to Soi 6 or anywhere around Walking Street.
Thank you in advance for any assistance.
Wheelchair Racer
Hey there WR,
Well, I'm not sure how receptive she'll be, but up the ante and Pattaya usually accommidates - doesn't it... Go to Second Road and Soi 3, there's a chick at GK Bar. Her name is Be (pronouced Bay). She's hot as hell, I'm serious. She has natural double dees and a super cute face. She's 19 years old (illegal age for bars, but they all break the rules). She has a tendency to know she's hot, so don't be afraid to put her in her place - delicately, that is. You won't be disappointed if you like big soft,, natural tits, pretty faces and sexy girations.
J Ride
SidTheSexist
05-15-07, 04:21
Wheelchair guy,
You are the boy!
Respect!
Sean_Double
05-15-07, 05:27
I applaud your determination.
You might get a kick out of this:
http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_10356.shtml
Cheers,
Sean
I applaud your determination.
You might get a kick out of this:
http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_10356.shtml
Cheers,
Sean
Thats fuckin hilarious... What a pimp.
hi all, some notes from my usual trip to los, april 24 to may 8.
low season, rain, a lot of cheap russians, cheaper chinese, even cheaper indians. many honeymooners, some families. first day i sat 75 minutes in a bar on walking street and have not seen a single nice girl pass by!! i was falling into despair. hired a motorbike, explored beer bars between soi 6 and 8. i have to admit that some of the girls are really cute, but they ignored me. the point is, i am over 40, and although good-looking i am not their target anymore. the few (very few) nice girls can afford to wait a few minutes more for a nice younger farang to come. that's life. so i went to gogos.
super baby and super girl try to attract the chinese customers, so you will find short, young looking girls with fair skin and short hair. good for me but not for everybody's taste. and the chinese tourists come in dozens, men and women, with their guides, and suddenly the atmosphere is just gone and you are sitting in a circus and you are part of the show!! not nice.
club boesche is incredibly popular, people (mostly britons and australians) going in at an astounding rate. the bar is very well managed and some of the girls are interesting, but like in all venues that become too popular, the girls' average beauty goes down, while drink prices go up. the best girls are sooo cute, dance like demons, but are not available (booked long time by some rich jap/korean: "easy money" they told me...). they go dancing though, because they like it. i hope managers will do something to raise the quality to former levels.
carousel. not bad at all, found a shakira lookalike (too many "blondes" now in los...), very nice and willing.
i picked up also a couple of ladies from boesche, then tried a different path: clubs.
club slim. currently top in town according to residents. in soi 5 between beach and 2nd, plenty of nice girls. if you are asian and possibly fat you will receive maximum attention, but if you are farang and fit you won't. i was really puzzled, so i asked a local beauty what was wrong with me. she said (again!) that japs, koreans and chinese are first prize for them because they pay a lot, have small penis and last five minutes at best. "easy money!! " she happily declared. yes, but why fat, i asked. "because if they fat, they rich!!" she explained like i was a stupid schoolboy... so here the old equation fat=rich still works. that shows thailand is still a developing country. when they will be richer they will be like us, in adoration of the fit. ok but why they called the club "slim" then...???...
club papagayo, soi diana inn on 2nd road. many nice girls, but one i chose after drinking chatting and rubbing refused to follow me. "i have red" she said. so why the hell are you here, i asked myself... maybe she lied, maybe not, i did not like it. the club is close to some beer bars with some nice ladies. soi diana inn is a developing area that could bring some nice surprises soon. it already hosts [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and other specialty bars, and is growing fast.
talkin about specialty bars, pump station in soi post office has some really nice girls, no english spoken of course but who cares? if they speak english they work in a hotel! next door is an excellent italian restaurant, max. they also have a few rooms, i was there, 800 baht with aircon, marble floors, lcd tv, safety box, internet in room, cctv security. and pump station next door! what a deal!
massage parlours: tried only the usual sabais (sabairoom, land and world) at the end of 2nd road. i can guarantee that if you go into these places you will find your queen. never failed in 15 years (for me at least). if not in the first one, in the second or third, you will be touched by grace.
so pattaya is changing, tourism is changing, the rules are changing, but it is still worth a visit. maybe you have to "work" a bit harder than in the past but hey, it is still much better than anywhere else i have been. see you soon, los.
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I just got back from a trip to LOS and this time I visited Hell club not far from hotel Areca off soi diana and second road. This place is the shit. 3600 baht for 1.5 hours and two girls. Nice British guy there let me know what was going on and I picked some tiny chick from Issan and let her pick a friend she felt comfortable with. Same deal as the Eden club in Bangkok. Girls on the left of the line are three inputs and on the right only two. The girl I picked was on the right and she could teach a class on blowjobs. I can't remember her name, but she had lots of energy. Clean room with a shower and TV in the room for videos. They wanted me to pick a porno to watch, but I'm not too interested in porno when I have two naked girls in front of me that will do most anything I want. Mirror on the ceiling was a nice touch. You owe it to yourself to do this at least once and if you're married you owe it to yourself to do it once for each year you've put up with being married.
I've been there and I have spent the last year on 4 different forums reading about the place.
Sure, it is a fucken dreamworld, mongers' Disneyland, sin city, whatever, but why in the name of fuck do westerners want to leave the west for one of the most corrupt places on earth, possibly behind Indonesia, but just about.
What's it all about when someone takes a swing at you, you twat him back, and the whole world tries to kick the fuck out of you and the cops still blame you? Even China isn't like that. What the fuck is it when the cops are more corrupt than the motor cycle taxis? What about the fact that you can't own a business or land, or fucken anything, or work even, without bending over backwards and taking a good 4 inches?
The weather's shit, the place smells, and unless you have a good overseas pension, you can never retire?
So WTF is it? The promise of young cheap/free gash?
I really would like to know.
Those from the west- most ex-pats. If you get a gang of cunts going around terrorising, asking for money, whatever, the cops will do their best to get rid of them. you may get robbed/shot/stabbed opn the streets ( like Pattaya), but generally the cops will get them, and there's no paying your way out- The USA excepted ( sorry guys, you have a fucked-up system) .
I don't know, I have to stop writing now because I could go on and on. Nothing seems simple and straight there, so what's the attraction?
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Alejandro66
05-16-07, 11:18
In my opinion there is no reason to live in Pattaya.
I live in Thailand just because I work here and I have a very good salary as expat.
Otherwise I woudn't choose Thailand to live or work, neither for holyday.
Still, Pattaya is a good place for having a good nightlife after work and in the weekends and for fucking young and cute girls without any further implications.
That's all.
Alex
I've been there and I have spent the last year on 4 different forums reading about the place.
Sure, it is a fucken dreamworld, mongers' Disneyland, sin city, whatever, but why in the name of fuck do westerners want to leave the west for one of the most corrupt places on earth, possibly behind Indonesia, but just about.
What's it all about when someone takes a swing at you, you twat him back, and the whole world tries to kick the fuck out of you and the cops still blame you? Even China isn't like that. What the fuck is it when the cops are more corrupt than the motor cycle taxis? What about the fact that you can't own a business or land, or fucken anything, or work even, without bending over backwards and taking a good 4 inches?
The weather's shit, the place smells, and unless you have a good overseas pension, you can never retire?
So WTF is it? The promise of young cheap/free gash?
I really would like to know.
Those from the west- most ex-pats. If you get a gang of cunts going around terrorising, asking for money, whatever, the cops will do their best to get rid of them. you may get robbed/shot/stabbed opn the streets ( like Pattaya), but generally the cops will get them, and there's no paying your way out- The USA excepted ( sorry guys, you have a fucked-up system) .
I don't know, I have to stop writing now because I could go on and on. Nothing seems simple and straight there, so what's the attraction?
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Eric Cartman
05-16-07, 14:23
Gents,
First Thai trip coming up in a week (see my Brazil and Aussie posts for history).
Was thinking about getting a cheap mobile phone so I can text with the ladies. Any tips on where to buy a cheap mobile in Pattaya, which I may only use for a week? Or on carriers or sim cards or any related details?
Much appreciated.
Thanks.
Cartman
So WTF is it? The promise of young cheap/free gash?
Yep. It's just soooo damn hard to get in the west.
I've been there and I have spent the last year on 4 different forums reading about the place.
Sure, it is a fucken dreamworld, mongers' Disneyland, sin city, whatever, but why in the name of fuck do westerners want to leave the west for one of the most corrupt places on earth, possibly behind Indonesia, but just about.
What's it all about when someone takes a swing at you, you twat him back, and the whole world tries to kick the fuck out of you and the cops still blame you? Even China isn't like that. What the fuck is it when the cops are more corrupt than the motor cycle taxis? What about the fact that you can't own a business or land, or fucken anything, or work even, without bending over backwards and taking a good 4 inches?
The weather's shit, the place smells, and unless you have a good overseas pension, you can never retire?
So WTF is it? The promise of young cheap/free gash?
I really would like to know.
Those from the west- most ex-pats. If you get a gang of cunts going around terrorising, asking for money, whatever, the cops will do their best to get rid of them. you may get robbed/shot/stabbed opn the streets ( like Pattaya), but generally the cops will get them, and there's no paying your way out- The USA excepted ( sorry guys, you have a fucked-up system) .
I don't know, I have to stop writing now because I could go on and on. Nothing seems simple and straight there, so what's the attraction?
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Interesting perspective. I guess the grass is "browner" on the other side for some.
Fish N Chips
05-17-07, 04:07
Just grab any cell that takes a chip, then buy a sim card with Minutes in the Airport for 300bht. If your an expat you should have a cell or two lying around, as long as its tri-band it will work. If not the best place I know is in BKK either Pan-tip or MBK 2nd floor for a used cell.
Hope this helps
Gents,
First Thai trip coming up in a week (see my Brazil and Aussie posts for history).
Was thinking about getting a cheap mobile phone so I can text with the ladies. Any tips on where to buy a cheap mobile in Pattaya, which I may only use for a week? Or on carriers or sim cards or any related details?
Much appreciated.
Thanks.
Cartman
SidTheSexist
05-17-07, 04:29
What's it all about when someone takes a swing at you, you twat him back, and the whole world tries to kick the fuck out of you and the cops still blame you? Even China isn't like that.Spend a bit more time in China and then revisit this comment.
But I love your drunken rants! Good work!
Sid
BangkokGolfer
05-17-07, 04:34
Having lived in LOS for more than 15 years, I have observed many Farangs arrive with unrealistic expectations. Thai people as all people in Asia have a different culture, religion, set of ethics and general beliefs than Western people. So do not judge a country or a people by what you hear or read. If you don't enjoy the lifestyle and social structure you can leave any time.
BKKGolf
I've been there and I have spent the last year on 4 different forums reading about the place.
Sure, it is a fucken dreamworld, mongers' Disneyland, sin city, whatever, but why in the name of fuck do westerners want to leave the west for one of the most corrupt places on earth, possibly behind Indonesia, but just about.
What's it all about when someone takes a swing at you, you twat him back, and the whole world tries to kick the fuck out of you and the cops still blame you? Even China isn't like that. What the fuck is it when the cops are more corrupt than the motor cycle taxis? What about the fact that you can't own a business or land, or fucken anything, or work even, without bending over backwards and taking a good 4 inches?
The weather's shit, the place smells, and unless you have a good overseas pension, you can never retire?
So WTF is it? The promise of young cheap/free gash?
I really would like to know.
Those from the west- most ex-pats. If you get a gang of cunts going around terrorising, asking for money, whatever, the cops will do their best to get rid of them. you may get robbed/shot/stabbed opn the streets ( like Pattaya), but generally the cops will get them, and there's no paying your way out- The USA excepted ( sorry guys, you have a fucked-up system) .
I don't know, I have to stop writing now because I could go on and on. Nothing seems simple and straight there, so what's the attraction?
JRide,
I'll give you credit for the quote, but I like it so I'll be using it; "the grass is (always) browner on the other side". Thank you for brightening my day (and putting things in perspective, i.e. nothing is ever "perfect").
Spend a bit more time in China and then revisit this comment.
But I love your drunken rants! Good work!
Sid
How do you know I was drunk?
LittleBigMan
05-17-07, 05:09
Cartman,
Go to Top's on Pattaya Tai, down from the Friendship Market, across the road from the local market.
SidTheSexist
05-17-07, 05:37
How do you know I was drunk?
Becasue your an alcoholic! Oh, and because your an Aussie :D
Becasue your an alcoholic! Oh, and because your an Aussie :D
Touchee! But you forgot the Irish bit-that makes me an obnoxious, self-opinionated, bigoted, outspoken alcoholic, and a twat.
I guess the best place to start is the beginning. The new airport is much better than the old airport. I was expecting more of a modern airport but all things considered I only had one complaint. The onslaught of pictures of the king and his family was too much, it's a bit sad to see humans worshipping another human because of "royalty".
The cab ride to Pattaya can be very dangerous if you do not tell the driver to take it easy so don't be afraid to tell the driver to slow down and drive safely.
When we arrived in Pattaya it was raining and it continued for several days. The rain should not affect your "indoor activities". As a matter of fact the rain tended to enhance the chances of the ladies hanging around for another session.
The food in Pattaya is becoming a bit high. The quality ranges from good to great, but I would encourage anyone to try the non-tourist places for value. The best way to find these places other than asking the ladies is to just walk down the street and observe were the locals eat. A plate of chicken, rice, and vegetables will cost you 30 to 50 baht in these places and yes it's taste good. The restaurants in Pattaya need to address three items. Establish some kind of fly killing system, do not allow roving street vendors to harass your customers while they are dining, & do not allow stray dogs to hang around your restaurant.
The music in Pattaya is just bad. I know I know this is a dead horse I'm kicking, but if you are a 50 something bar owner and you are out of touch with what's current just buy and play the top hits from MTV or the other top music list. The bar owners were playing see&see Music Factory circa late 80's for goodness sake.
Walking street is a blast with the right guide. If a local expat invites you out go! We had the time of our lives hanging out with the guys who call Pattaya home. The Go Go girls are stunning but pricey, so keep you wits about you. I pay 500 St 1000 Lt with very few exceptions. To each his own, pay what you need to pay to have a good time. The beer bars are my stomping ground anyway. Soi 3, 6, and many others do me just fine. Anyone who says there are not great looking women in the beer bars is crazy. Slow down on the drinking and visit 3 or 4 beer bars on any given night, you will find lookers and performers for the above mentioned prices.
My second trip to Pattaya along with two first timers was a success. I will return again next year after a short trip to Costa Rica. Variety is the spice of life.
Happy Hunting
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SidTheSexist
05-17-07, 21:05
Touchee! But you forgot the Irish bit-that makes me an obnoxious, self-opinionated, bigoted, outspoken alcoholic, and a twat.As I said, I like your style!!!! :D
Sid!!!!
PS, D.B.John, I like your comment about the beer bar girls. So many gems to be found there!!! The GoGo only guys are missing out!!!
SidTheSexist
05-17-07, 21:10
So do not judge a country or a people by what you hear or read. If you don't enjoy the lifestyle and social structure you can leave any time.BKKGolfThats exactly what hes saying! He doesn't want to stay!!!!!!
Its not only countries in Asia with a different culture, its every country in the world! This applies everywhere!
Poon Hunter
05-18-07, 07:54
I was researching about Russian chicks and heard about the Las Vegas club..... but I couldn't find it....
What soi is it on?
Any other recomendations for Russians / Eurasians ?? (The skinny ones, not the fat ones).
Thanks,
Hi guys,
Just booking my 2 weeks in LOS 1 week in BKK and the other in Pattaya, basically I've never been to Pattaya so I wanted recommendations on any good girl friendly hotels which are atleast 3* and near walking street.
Any recommendations guys?
Cheers
I've have read many of your posts with interest on this subject being an indian guy from the uk who will be visting Pattaya soon. The only thing I can say, is that, like all places certain people will have a bad rep due to locals having bad experiences word of mouth. In this case the indians SOME of the girls have had to deal with as being smelly, cheap etc. If thats not you, if you are not cheap, smelly, behaving inappropriately then why worry. If a girl is reluctant to go with you because you are indian then chances are you are not gonna enjoy the experience if she does go with you as she is reluctant! There are plenty of girls that will. As someone that has mongered in many countries. I can honestly say that I have never had any such issue mongering and being an indian. Just remember your there to enjoy yourself with the girls and not to change their perceptions of a group of people! And you will be fine!
JRide,
I'll give you credit for the quote, but I like it so I'll be using it; "the grass is (always) browner on the other side". Thank you for brightening my day (and putting things in perspective, i.e. nothing is ever "perfect").
Ha, ha, ha... My pleasure!
J Ride
Hi guys,
Does anyone know whether Sawasdee Sea View Pattaya Hotel Pattaya is girl friendly and what it is like?
Kind of moldy, lumpy mattesses, no elevator, and many stairs but girl friendly (Sawadee Sea View) w/no extra guest charges. They added a nicer, pricier newer wing. They have a good, honest staff and this chain maintains a great backpacker style of Hotel. Girls might be less inclined to go w/you LT than if you told them you were staying at the SSV rather than the newer Sunrise on Soi 8 ($45 rooms), or the Dusit The Woraburi Properties part of this chain SUCKS!!! They will tell you they are girl friendly, but the one in Bangkok (AKA Wrobbery Hotel) books using inflated prices on the internet, and several hundred Bhat cheaper for walk-ins. They charge 200-300 for a guest charge (girl friendly, w/a price). They also show them being right buy Nana on thier map while they are many blocks away. To add insult to injury, when you check out they tell you "took took bloken" that offers free rides to Nana so you have to walk many blocks with your luggage. Their brunch gave us all the runs as well. I stayed at the SSV last March and there was a mix of Japanese Lesbians, Euro Backpackers, several British Moochers and California College Kids (male and female) on Spring Break.
I've have read many of your posts with interest on this subject being an indian guy from the uk who will be visting Pattaya soon. The only thing I can say, is that, like all places certain people will have a bad rep due to locals having bad experiences word of mouth. In this case the indians SOME of the girls have had to deal with as being smelly, cheap etc. If thats not you, if you are not cheap, smelly, behaving inappropriately then why worry. If a girl is reluctant to go with you because you are indian then chances are you are not gonna enjoy the experience if she does go with you as she is reluctant! There are plenty of girls that will. As someone that has mongered in many countries. I can honestly say that I have never had any such issue mongering and being an indian. Just remember your there to enjoy yourself with the girls and not to change their perceptions of a group of people! And you will be fine!
One of the biggest ethnic groups in Thailand is Indian, and in fact they speak English with an Indian accent down south. Many Thais look Indian and have very Indian sounding names. The Thai script decended from the origial Sanscript texts. Maybe these girls were telling Americans guys this story because they readily handed over whatever sum of money these trollups wanted while the Indian dudes haggled a little bit. They just want your money. You could be Idi Amin, or Adolph Eichman and they'd do you for whatever their going rate is. Listen up....THESE GIRLS ARE PROSTITUTES!!
The beach road scene seems to be mostly during the day. What 2 or 3 years ago was 200B is now 300 or 400 with haggling. The girls all know each other and when you take 1 in tow, they all smile and "know". IF you get a bad rap with one you won't get any action from most of them. Probably best to write the price in advance to avoid "difficulties".
Food prices seem to be up 20% from 6 months ago
Rooms are the same as 6 months ago
Poon prices seem to be slowly increasing but not drastically
The beach road scene seems to be mostly during the day. What 2 or 3 years ago was 200B is now 300 or 400 with haggling. The girls all know each other and when you take 1 in tow, they all smile and "know". IF you get a bad rap with one you won't get any action from most of them. Probably best to write the price in advance to avoid "difficulties".
Food prices seem to be up 20% from 6 months ago
Rooms are the same as 6 months ago
Poon prices seem to be slowly increasing but not drasticallyBeach road is definetely dead, day time and night time. I was there few weeks ago. Only few diehard and old ladies still look for farangs there. Police patrol every day and fine ladies. They don't realize they killing Pattaya fortune. They will never change Pattaya into a respectfull sea resort : Pattaya is an ugly place and the only reason to go there is sex. The good old days -just 2 years ago- are gone. So disappointing. Where to go now to get nice freelancers (away from beaten tracks in BKK)?
Traveller08
05-20-07, 21:52
Hello Poon Hunter,
The Las Vegas Club is closed - at least since November 06 when I was lootking for them as well.
Now there is a typical Thai Gogo inside, I just forgot the name.
But there was nothing special going on there anymore.
As reported recently the Beach Road scene is 'dead', compared to the glory it once was. I just returned from Pattaya and in a three day visit only had about 6 girls, and only four of those from the Beach (yes I have begun to save girls phone numbers, an humiliating necessity in todays scarce climate). I will say however, that even in its severely truncated form the Beach is better than the rest of Pattaya put together.
At night there are usually a couple of dozen girls around, compared to the hundreds of years ago. About daytime action I could not comment - who arises during the day in the tropics?
the Beach Road scene is 'dead', compared to the glory it once was. Can I ask a question? I was in Pattaya last time about 4 years ago, and only for 3 days.
When guys here talk about 'the Beach Road scene', what are you talking about exactly? Are you talking about the beer bars, or are you talking about street walkers or something else?
I'm sure this must seem like a naive question, but the little I knew about PTY was from just walking around and checking things out myself (no research before going).
Can I ask a question? I was in Pattaya last time about 4 years ago, and only for 3 days.
When guys here talk about 'the Beach Road scene', what are you talking about exactly? Are you talking about the beer bars, or are you talking about street walkers or something else?
I'm sure this must seem like a naive question, but the little I knew about PTY was from just walking around and checking things out myself (no research before going).They talk about the Street Walker or better to say Beachroad Walker, or more precise Beachroad sitter. ;-)
When I was there in April this year, there were plenty of girls along the beach road. Though I didn't took one. They are imho not so pretty and because they sit most of the time difficult to spot whose girl is hot. If you have enough passion than you might find some pretty and cheap girls there. The advantage is that you don't need to pay barfine and the girls ask only 500 Bath for a ST.
There was a report about a police raid and so on. I was wondering if there were still any non-Thais available in Pattaya. If so, where would one find them and what is their going rate?
They talk about the Street Walker or better to say Beachroad Walker, or more precise Beachroad sitter. ;-)
When I was there in April this year, there were plenty of girls along the beach road. Though I didn't took one. They are imho not so pretty and because they sit most of the time difficult to spot whose girl is hot. If you have enough passion than you might find some pretty and cheap girls there. The advantage is that you don't need to pay barfine and the girls ask only 500 Bath for a ST.
Spot on, Most girls on Beach road are not so good looking, but some make it up with a good performance. I had 3-4 girls nearby Soi 6 and each of em were 3-holer girls worth 500BHT!. worth it if your just looking for a good romp as opposed to some of the damn barbie queens at Angel Witch etc.
Spot on, Most girls on Beach road are not so good looking, but some make it up with a good performance. I had 3-4 girls nearby Soi 6 and each of em were 3-holer girls worth 500BHT!. worth it if your just looking for a good romp as opposed to some of the damn barbie queens at Angel Witch etc.
Ah, at Angel Witch I saw more older gils than real Barbies. They are taller than average and have a more feminie rack, but mostly they are beyond 25 years.
Well regarding beach road girls. Only the older desperate girls are 3 holer, imho. The young and cute shy girls are not 3 holer, unfortunatelly.
I take more value for eye candy. If she is a starfish I don't care, most important is that she is pretty. So, for me beachroad girls are not my cup of tea.
For guy who don't value beauty and more value inner values, the beach road is a good alternative. ;-) Maybe, in the old people house you will find even better performance. Sorry bad joke.
Poon Hunter
05-24-07, 09:23
I was tired of drinking in the go-gos... I walked up and down walking street for over 2 hours yesterday. I saw about 8 different Russian girls. I kind of slowly followed them and realized that they were working.
I saw (what looked like) three middle eastern chicks. Only one was really good looking. I saw a group of middle eastern looking men walking by them on walking street. He just pulled her hand and started talking their language. I heard the word condom and next thing I new, all three chicks were walking with the dudes!!!
I think the best way is to make eye contact and then small talk. Then again, I have not had any Russian Poon yet!!!! I heard these girls are very selective and if they don't like you, they will ignore you.
I was tired of drinking in the go-gos... I walked up and down walking street for over 2 hours yesterday. I saw about 8 different Russian girls. I kind of slowly followed them and realized that they were working.
I saw (what looked like) three middle eastern chicks. Only one was really good looking. I saw a group of middle eastern looking men walking by them on walking street. He just pulled her hand and started talking their language. I heard the word condom and next thing I new, all three chicks were walking with the dudes!!!
I think the best way is to make eye contact and then small talk. Then again, I have not had any Russian Poon yet!!!! I heard these girls are very selective and if they don't like you, they will ignore you.
Let us know more (I'm dreaming on a duo or trio with Russian-Thai girls): is it possible?
IT
Let us know more (I'm dreaming on a duo or trio with Russian-Thai girls): is it possible?
IT
Now there's a thought, IT. I have never understood why anyone would travel to LOS for some Russian fun.
But a Russian / Thai sandwhich? now that would be interesting.
Anybody care to share an experience?
FreeWolf66
05-25-07, 02:40
Hi guys,
Does anyone know whether Sawasdee Sea View Pattaya Hotel Pattaya is girl friendly and what it is like?Try Welkom Inn soi 4. Its girl friendly, some in a bar out front. About $20 US a night.
Freewolf
Now there's a thought, IT. I have never understood why anyone would travel to LOS for some Russian fun.
But a Russian / Thai sandwhich? now that would be interesting.
Anybody care to share an experience?
If you see my post you can understand well I do not need to go to Thailand to nail a Russian or an Ukranian girl! ;)
But a couple... could be even better...
Next time I'll go to Brasil, I'll do mixed ones... black plus white (lesbian of course!) :D You have to try new things! And a Russian and a Thai would be a good option, even a Russian and two Thai both with strap ons fuking the Russian one... my relaxing (wile I'm resting between fucks) will be:
a) plugging the resting two holes
b) see which is the best mouth for getting hard quickly!
IT
PS I knoew I'm a big old pig and a Sex Addict, and I'm very happy for that! :) :)
Hope you guys can help, used to be a go-go bar along by the bowling alley called xray, it was run by a Hungarian guy called Chris good bloke, anybody know if hes opened anywhere else, would be very grateful for any info as we are coming out to Pattaya end of August and it would be good to meet up.
I was tired of drinking in the go-gos... I walked up and down walking street for over 2 hours yesterday. I saw about 8 different Russian girls. I kind of slowly followed them and realized that they were working.
I saw (what looked like) three middle eastern chicks. Only one was really good looking. I saw a group of middle eastern looking men walking by them on walking street. He just pulled her hand and started talking their language. I heard the word condom and next thing I new, all three chicks were walking with the dudes!!!
I think the best way is to make eye contact and then small talk. Then again, I have not had any Russian Poon yet!!!! I heard these girls are very selective and if they don't like you, they will ignore you.
The prettiest ones on earth that give the best play are in Rio. Just get there before the Pan American games. Brasil has the best booty genepool on earth. Stud looking Brasilian guys from Sao Paulo travel to and pay for booty in Rio, it is so good. I got a Turkish one, a Jewish one, a 6'+ blond (Russian looking) one, a Black one, an Indian one from Manaus, and one 1/2 Japanese one. The regular old Latina looking ones are quite nice, too. They all have asses that protrude from their posture, and they don't mind letting you use them. They are the sexual triathaletes. Don't waste you time or money on wiskey tangos (expat slang for White Trash women) in Asia.
Fellow mongers, I am a little confused, I see a lot of talk about Russian women but everybody writing on this board goes to los for Thai companionship or better yet pussy. I do not understand why anybody who spent a few bucks to los would want to look for non asian or non thai pussy. I m ostley write in the TJ section but I do not go To TJ looking for russian women . Just my opinion.
Sean_Double
05-29-07, 02:56
Fellow mongers, I am a little confused, I see a lot of talk about Russian women but everybody writing on this board goes to los for Thai companionship or better yet pussy. I do not understand why anybody who spent a few bucks to los would want to look for non asian or non thai pussy. I m ostley write in the TJ section but I do not go To TJ looking for russian women . Just my opinion.
I've always wondered the same thing. Maybe it's just easier to go to Thailand than to Uzbekistan. It always stumped me until I walked down Beach Road one night and took stock of the makeup of the clusters of tight shirted, dark complected, out of place looking, jewelry wearing, leering men. They've never fucked a blond or western woman and it's their only chance.
That's the only reason I can figure out how the Russians can make a living; why they get western customers is a puzzle.
Cheers,
Sean
Don't waste you time or money on wiskey tangos (expat slang for White Trash women) in Asia.
B-Daddy
I agree with everything you said except for the last sentence. The ladies in Rio do have the best asses and they are athletes when it comes to sex. However, when I was there for 2 weeks a couple of years ago, I missed Thailand. And, I've been back to LOS 4 more times since then. Even though I could have very easily gone back to Rio, I have yet to do so. The ladies in Rio are much better at sex than the Thais. That is true. But the Thai girls are better at companionship. To each his own, I guess...
Egg
Fellow mongers, I am a little confused, I see a lot of talk about Russian women but everybody writing on this board goes to los for Thai companionship or better yet pussy. I do not understand why anybody who spent a few bucks to los would want to look for non asian or non thai pussy. I m ostley write in the TJ section but I do not go To TJ looking for russian women . Just my opinion.
"everybody on this board goes to LOS for Thai companionship" -- a couple of big presumptions just in that short statement there. First, that everyone on this board GOES to Thailand. Many on this board, a large percentage, are already in Thailand long term. Or else in Asia long term. If you're in Asia long term, then non-Thai is something you might miss from time to time. That's easy to understand, right? The 2nd big presumption is that everyone is only interested in Thais. Why would you think that? I know I'm not only interested in Thai girls. Why would you think 100% of the guys here are exclusively interested in Thai girls 100% of the time?
Often anyone expressing any interest in Russian girls here is bombarded with one put-down after another. It seems a bit weird. If a guy wants to get with a Russian girl, what's the problem? I think the more interesting question is why some people get so bent out of shape about that. To each his own. Variety is the spice of life. How would it look if I went on one of the Europe threads and started lambasting people for asking about Asian girls? It'd seem pretty narrow-minded, I think.
I'd say the fact that there are so many questions about Russians here is an indication that there IS a good amount of interest in them. Anyone who can't deal with that reality, well, it's really more of your own personal problem.
It would seem a bit inane if I asked "Why do some guys like girls with big breasts? I don't go for girls with big breasts, so I can't understand why some other guys do." We all have diverse tastes. We all know that. That's the answer.
Jimmy Red Cab
05-29-07, 11:43
Often anyone expressing any interest in Russian girls here is bombarded with one put-down after another. It seems a bit weird. If a guy wants to get with a Russian girl, what's the problem?
I agree entirely, this is a problem on other boards as well, I have an interest in Russian girls when visiting Bangkok ----although most seem to come from places such as Uzbekistan ----in the UK I would have to pay 50,000 baht for LT with a Russian, in Bangkok between 4-5000 baht.
wow, what a depressing report. i ordinarily monger in the philippines and, as a switch, was thinking of going to pattaya in a few months. from your post it
would appear pattaya should be avoided.
hi all, some notes from my usual trip to los, april 24 to may 8.
low season, rain, a lot of cheap russians, cheaper chinese, even cheaper indians. many honeymooners, some families. first day i sat 75 minutes in a bar on walking street and have not seen a single nice girl pass by!! i was falling into despair. hired a motorbike, explored beer bars between soi 6 and 8. i have to admit that some of the girls are really cute, but they ignored me. the point is, i am over 40, and although good-looking i am not their target anymore. the few (very few) nice girls can afford to wait a few minutes more for a nice younger farang to come. that's life. so i went to gogos.
super baby and super girl try to attract the chinese customers, so you will find short, young looking girls with fair skin and short hair. good for me but not for everybody's taste. and the chinese tourists come in dozens, men and women, with their guides, and suddenly the atmosphere is just gone and you are sitting in a circus and you are part of the show!! not nice.
club boesche is incredibly popular, people (mostly britons and australians) going in at an astounding rate. the bar is very well managed and some of the girls are interesting, but like in all venues that become too popular, the girls' average beauty goes down, while drink prices go up. the best girls are sooo cute, dance like demons, but are not available (booked long time by some rich jap/korean: "easy money" they told me...). they go dancing though, because they like it. i hope managers will do something to raise the quality to former levels.
carousel. not bad at all, found a shakira lookalike (too many "blondes" now in los...), very nice and willing.
i picked up also a couple of ladies from boesche, then tried a different path: clubs.
club slim. currently top in town according to residents. in soi 5 between beach and 2nd, plenty of nice girls. if you are asian and possibly fat you will receive maximum attention, but if you are farang and fit you won't. i was really puzzled, so i asked a local beauty what was wrong with me. she said (again!) that japs, koreans and chinese are first prize for them because they pay a lot, have small penis and last five minutes at best. "easy money!! " she happily declared. yes, but why fat, i asked. "because if they fat, they rich!!" she explained like i was a stupid schoolboy... so here the old equation fat=rich still works. that shows thailand is still a developing country. when they will be richer they will be like us, in adoration of the fit. ok but why they called the club "slim" then...???...
club papagayo, soi diana inn on 2nd road. many nice girls, but one i chose after drinking chatting and rubbing refused to follow me. "i have red" she said. so why the hell are you here, i asked myself... maybe she lied, maybe not, i did not like it. the club is close to some beer bars with some nice ladies. soi diana inn is a developing area that could bring some nice surprises soon. it already hosts [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and other specialty bars, and is growing fast.
talkin about specialty bars, pump station in soi post office has some really nice girls, no english spoken of course but who cares? if they speak english they work in a hotel! next door is an excellent italian restaurant, max. they also have a few rooms, i was there, 800 baht with aircon, marble floors, lcd tv, safety box, internet in room, cctv security. and pump station next door! what a deal!
massage parlours: tried only the usual sabais (sabairoom, land and world) at the end of 2nd road. i can guarantee that if you go into these places you will find your queen. never failed in 15 years (for me at least). if not in the first one, in the second or third, you will be touched by grace.
so pattaya is changing, tourism is changing, the rules are changing, but it is still worth a visit. maybe you have to "work" a bit harder than in the past but hey, it is still much better than anywhere else i have been. see you soon, los.
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
B-Daddy
I agree with everything you said except for the last sentence. The ladies in Rio do have the best asses and they are athletes when it comes to sex. However, when I was there for 2 weeks a couple of years ago, I missed Thailand. And, I've been back to LOS 4 more times since then. Even though I could have very easily gone back to Rio, I have yet to do so. The ladies in Rio are much better at sex than the Thais. That is true. But the Thai girls are better at companionship. To each his own, I guess...
Egg
I can't take more than a few days of the same pooying. My trinkets, and cheap CD players go alot further as gifts in Rio than in Thailand where the girls want/expect gold. After sex with a Carioca I usually need to recover, while the Thai girls have learned how to play a punter like the NYC street 'hos.. The seasoned Cariocas/Latinas (non-Help-Disco-'hos) are usually quite pleased with the silver jewelry trinkets or $10 CD players and a few Bachata, Merenge, and Salsa CD's I burn and give as a gift while a seasoned Thai pooying will be handing me a card with their bank routing number while refusing to gulp my chowder. The Thai law of diminshing service rules, and now you have to seek out the Thai talent while the average Carioca from the Agencias will not quit until you are thoroughly satisfied. Rio is back on the map, especially with direct 10 hr flights from Newark for 1/2 the price of the 20+ hour flight to any Asian Destination. Also, Rio and vicinity has beaches 100x better than anything in Thailand with real surfable waves, and Skol Lager is 1/2 the price of any Thai Beer.
Wow, what a depressing report. I ordinarily monger in the Philippines and, as a switch, was thinking of going to Pattaya in a few months. From your post it
would appear Pattaya should be avoided.
You can't beat the Soi Six knobbers!!!!! There is no place as convenient and well priced as getting the knob polished on Soi 6. When I was there last time, twice I saw a couple (fat assed farhang lady w/hubby) walking down the street w/video cameras filming both sides of the street. You will see it on TV and somebody will do an expose and it will move to another Soi, so enjoy it while you can!!!
Pattaya still RULES!!! I have just been there too many times and seen it in it's heyday, but it is the most user friendly booty destination on earth!!! So once again I contradict myself!
Member #3200
05-30-07, 06:03
The place rocks for cheap pussy & a beach.
Soi 8, Pattayaland 1 & 2, Walking street can't be beat.
Poon Hunter
05-30-07, 09:41
Yes, they are available. There are about 10 Russian chicks currently in Pattaya that work the circuit. Nadia told me that they stay in Thailand for 3 months, then go to Dubai. When their visa runs out there, they come back here.
Nadia: probably the hottest of the Russians on walking street (maybe 7).. huge rack... nice ass..... great cbj... but the hurry and cum attitude..
she said 1000b for short time. This is not the same short time in the clubs. It is like a street w**** / car date. Maybe 5 minutes.
She told me 2000b for 1 hour. After 30 minutes, she finished... i said what about the 1 hour. She told me that it is not her fault I cannot finish. I gave her 500b to finish by hand.
All in all, 2500b for my first Russian experience. Decent looking chick, but the hurry up type of experience....
Nadia said it is okay for me to pass out her number. zero eight four six four eight nine eight three one.
great cbj...
Sorry to be argumentative, but thats an oxymoron.
I have tried Russian girls twice in Bangkok, and both times found it easy to persuade them to do BBBJ and BBFS. Admittedly they were average looking, but I have never actually seen a good looking Russian girl working anywhere in Thailand.
Sorry to be argumentative, but thats an oxymoron.
I have tried Russian girls twice in Bangkok, and both times found it easy to persuade them to do BBBJ and BBFS. Admittedly they were average looking, but I have never actually seen a good looking Russian girl working anywhere in Thailand.
About 6 or 7 years ago there were some pretty Russian working girls in Mikes Disco. Now the so called Russian girls are mostly or all Uzbek or Kasachstan girl.
Jimmy Red Cab
05-31-07, 03:14
I have never actually seen a good looking Russian girl working anywhere in Thailand.
No mate because they are all working in London for Escort Agencies that charge £150 an hour or £700 overnight.
SidTheSexist
05-31-07, 04:19
Sorry to be argumentative, but thats an oxymoron.Yet another classic from Opebo!!! Excellent! :D
Eric Cartman
05-31-07, 04:41
I can't take more than a few days of the same pooying. My trinkets, and cheap CD players go alot further as gifts in Rio than in Thailand where the girls want/expect gold. After sex with a Carioca I usually need to recover, while the Thai girls have learned how to play a punter like the NYC street 'hos.. The seasoned Cariocas/Latinas (non-Help-Disco-'hos) are usually quite pleased with the silver jewelry trinkets or $10 CD players and a few Bachata, Merenge, and Salsa CD's I burn and give as a gift while a seasoned Thai pooying will be handing me a card with their bank routing number while refusing to gulp my chowder. The Thai law of diminshing service rules, and now you have to seek out the Thai talent while the average Carioca from the Agencias will not quit until you are thoroughly satisfied. Rio is back on the map, especially with direct 10 hr flights from Newark for 1/2 the price of the 20+ hour flight to any Asian Destination. Also, Rio and vicinity has beaches 100x better than anything in Thailand with real surfable waves, and Skol Lager is 1/2 the price of any Thai Beer.I just got back from my first trip to LOS (BKK and Pattaya), and I totally agree with your comments above.
My overall impressions of Pattaya are not good. I am comparing it to other “beach cities” in the P4P scene like Rio. In Rio, the ocean does not smell like sewage, you are not besieged by shop-owners trying to sell you crap every 3 feet (“Dude, it’s 90 degrees, I’m sweating through my Hawaiian shirt, and somehow you think I want to buy a fucking suit from you, motherfucker???”), and the streets are not as crowded with stinky-aroma street vendors (I’m afraid to ask what they’re grilling, but the smell makes me wanna hurl). Also in Rio you do not, for the most part, having the appalling-aroma open sewers I saw in Pattaya. Basically, Pattaya’s ocean smells like crap when your on the Beach Road, and then on 2nd road, you get all the crap smells from the open sewers.
Also in Rio, you do not see the sheer mass of obvious P4P-ers walking around – Pattaya seems full of 50 year old, fat, tattooed, expat British guys walking around, frequently with young Thai women in tow and sometimes their kids. Just makes me feel that much more guilty about what I’m up to. Somehow P4P in Brazil seems more upscale (termas) and discreet, and when you are not P4P-ing, you can just be “normal” walking around the city. There are not throngs of girls sitting at Ipanema cafes shouting “guapo” at you as you walk by, nor are there tailors trying to shake your hand and sell you crap. Not so in Pattaya.
On the flip side, I guess, you stand a much much higher chance of getting robbed / beaten / shot in Rio. If you walk along the beach in Rio, you’ll get jacked. If you walk along the beach in Pattaya, you’ll just hurl from the stinky-water aroma. But you’ll be safe. Still, Pattaya felt sleazy and dirty to me by comparison. In fact, I was so sort of bummed out by the environment and vibe that I decided to cut my trip short by 3 days. I know some folks will say they like the “beach” vibe of Pattaya – but in terms of non-P4P cities, I just spent 6 years living in Southern California, and every beach I was near was 1000 times nicer than Pattaya.
After the shithole beach that was Pattaya, BKK actually is a bit nicer. Sure it’s a big crazy city crammed with motorbikes, cars, people, etc. But at least the stench of raw sewage was slightly less. Yeah, I did see one giant open sewage canal that nearly made me hurl. And yes, you still get the delightful smell of human excrement wafting from various corners as you walk down the street. And yes, there are still morons trying to sell you shit as you walk along – but, thankfully, fewer tailors trying to sell you suits and calling you “boss.” But it felt a bit more “civilized” to me than Pattaya. Certainly less completely obvious P4P farangs walking around. More business, more commerce. That said, the number of street vendors seems about the same – that aroma of grilled whatever is just nasty.
NEP impressions: The area in front of NEP is a bit of a gauntlet – people, vendors, touts, etc. I found walking into NEP with a determined stride helped – if you pause, you are dead. Easy enough to step into Obsessions. I didn’t go upstairs at NEP or really check out any of the other places. I did see the fabled elephant in the courtyard – on the way out. There is someone who brings a baby (small) Asian elephant and lets people pet it / take photos / etc. presumably for $$. It just made me sad. The poor elephant is probably freaking out being surrounded by so much noise and so many people. I can’t believe the cops let it happen but I’m sure they get their cut. It’s just sad. I’d say in general my impressions of the P4P scene left me feeling sad. Somehow in Rio, with the termas, P4P feels much more “upscale” / “professional” whereas in BKK and Pattaya it just feels more sleazy / sad to me. The Eden Club being the one exception (see my next report).
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Having just spent a wonderful week in Pattaya with a non wg, my observation is that there is so much construction going on with large hotels that there will be an enormous influx of mongers, demand will increase, and so will prices.
So get as much as you can now, because you will pay more in the next year or so.
... there will be an enormous influx of mongers, demand will increase, and so will prices.
But if supply increases right along with demand, which tends to happen in a free market, the prices should remain the same and selection should get even better.
Daddy
But if supply increases right along with demand, which tends to happen in a free market, the prices should remain the same and selection should get even better.
Daddy
How many young ladies do you think reside in Isaan? It is not an unlimited supply, alas.
Having just spent a wonderful week in Pattaya with a non wg, my observation is that there is so much construction going on with large hotels that there will be an enormous influx of mongers, demand will increase, and so will prices.
So get as much as you can now, because you will pay more in the next year or so.
I think to take a week of orgies ther in October-November...
Some suggestions: at least two-three per night and I need all the little tight service entrances! :D
Cum sharing will be really appreciated!
I posted some help questions in Hotel section of Pattaya but unfortunately no direct answer... :(
Thanks for help!
IT
How many young ladies do you think reside in Isaan? It is not an unlimited supply, alas.
Quite true, my friend, but as you have correctly said many times on this board -- it is their poverty which drives them. So as long as there is poverty in the LOS, we lucky mongers will have prolific new crops of poo ying growing in Pattaya every year. Life will be good. :)
Fast Eddie 48
06-01-07, 04:43
I was in pattaya recently for a few days last time I was here is last oct , the talent is going down hill and I notice more lady boy around walking st , I pick up a hot girl one night at lucifer disco and we went to tony for a drink after we went to my hotel this girl is very hot and check adam apple and between the leg when we are at the hotel flipper lodge security check her id and I look at he id and talk it from the security it look like a different person with short hair , I ask the secuity is the name are a male or female and he said not sure don't want take chance and told her to leave .
Everything in pattaya is going up in cost barfined girls and hotel isgoing up in cost even in soi 6 barfined is 300ST 500 LT cost on girl is 600 for ST 1000 LT and I was able to get all nighter at Lucifer for 800-1000 last yr and now they want 1500 for all nighter for the average one .
Fast eddie 48
Khun Larry
06-01-07, 13:32
Having just spent a wonderful week in Pattaya with a non wg, my observation is that there is so much construction going on with large hotels that there will be an enormous influx of mongers, demand will increase, and so will prices.
So get as much as you can now, because you will pay more in the next year or so.
Thais generally overbuild and then look like dimwits when their rooms are empty. You can still see buildings empty from 10 years ago. Construction will not increase monger number of mongers.
As for price 1000 baht is my top price room or pussy same same 1000
Will be going to Pattaya for the first time in August, after reading your report I can't wait.
I just got back from my first trip to LOS (BKK and Pattaya), and I totally agree with your comments above.
My overall impressions of Pattaya are not good. I am comparing it to other “beach cities” in the P4P scene like Rio. In Rio, the ocean does not smell like sewage, you are not besieged by shop-owners trying to sell you crap every 3 feet (“Dude, it’s 90 degrees, I’m sweating through my Hawaiian shirt, and somehow you think I want to buy a fucking suit from you, motherfucker???”), and the streets are not as crowded with stinky-aroma street vendors (I’m afraid to ask what they’re grilling, but the smell makes me wanna hurl). Also in Rio you do not, for the most part, having the appalling-aroma open sewers I saw in Pattaya. Basically, Pattaya’s ocean smells like crap when your on the Beach Road, and then on 2nd road, you get all the crap smells from the open sewers.
Also in Rio, you do not see the sheer mass of obvious P4P-ers walking around – Pattaya seems full of 50 year old, fat, tattooed, expat British guys walking around, frequently with young Thai women in tow and sometimes their kids. Just makes me feel that much more guilty about what I’m up to. Somehow P4P in Brazil seems more upscale (termas) and discreet, and when you are not P4P-ing, you can just be “normal” walking around the city. There are not throngs of girls sitting at Ipanema cafes shouting “guapo” at you as you walk by, nor are there tailors trying to shake your hand and sell you crap. Not so in Pattaya.
On the flip side, I guess, you stand a much much higher chance of getting robbed / beaten / shot in Rio. If you walk along the beach in Rio, you’ll get jacked. If you walk along the beach in Pattaya, you’ll just hurl from the stinky-water aroma. But you’ll be safe. Still, Pattaya felt sleazy and dirty to me by comparison. In fact, I was so sort of bummed out by the environment and vibe that I decided to cut my trip short by 3 days. I know some folks will say they like the “beach” vibe of Pattaya – but in terms of non-P4P cities, I just spent 6 years living in Southern California, and every beach I was near was 1000 times nicer than Pattaya.
After the shithole beach that was Pattaya, BKK actually is a bit nicer. Sure it’s a big crazy city crammed with motorbikes, cars, people, etc. But at least the stench of raw sewage was slightly less. Yeah, I did see one giant open sewage canal that nearly made me hurl. And yes, you still get the delightful smell of human excrement wafting from various corners as you walk down the street. And yes, there are still morons trying to sell you shit as you walk along – but, thankfully, fewer tailors trying to sell you suits and calling you “boss.” But it felt a bit more “civilized” to me than Pattaya. Certainly less completely obvious P4P farangs walking around. More business, more commerce. That said, the number of street vendors seems about the same – that aroma of grilled whatever is just nasty.
NEP impressions: The area in front of NEP is a bit of a gauntlet – people, vendors, touts, etc. I found walking into NEP with a determined stride helped – if you pause, you are dead. Easy enough to step into Obsessions. I didn’t go upstairs at NEP or really check out any of the other places. I did see the fabled elephant in the courtyard – on the way out. There is someone who brings a baby (small) Asian elephant and lets people pet it / take photos / etc. presumably for $$. It just made me sad. The poor elephant is probably freaking out being surrounded by so much noise and so many people. I can’t believe the cops let it happen but I’m sure they get their cut. It’s just sad. I’d say in general my impressions of the P4P scene left me feeling sad. Somehow in Rio, with the termas, P4P feels much more “upscale” / “professional” whereas in BKK and Pattaya it just feels more sleazy / sad to me. The Eden Club being the one exception (see my next report).
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Bill Miami
06-02-07, 02:20
Eric Cartman
I live in Pattaya and I come from one of the most upscale locations in the world, South Beach in Miami. And as hard as I tried, not one time did I every bed down one of the super models on South Beach.
Four times you mentioned the smell; you obviously have an issue with your nose. First there are no open sewers in Pattaya. The grates are simply runs offs for the rain water as you would see in any other city in the world, except here for cost reasons instead of covering them with concrete they use metal grates.
As for what they are grilling, 100 % of the time its chicken, fish or pork. Please inform us of what you BBQ at home. The ocean smells, dude you have so lost your mind, what are you talking about. I just came back from my morning jog on the ocean and keep trying to smell anything and I have no idea where your coming from with that one. Then saying the streets are crowed with smelly fenders, wow oh wow, what a high horse you ride.
As far as people trying to sell you something, is it so hard to say, “No thank you.” And dude when you get to be 50 I am sure you won’t be fat and ugly, but rich and famous and have women falling at your feet. But, for the rest of us that will not be as fortunate as you, thank god for Pattaya. And as for sexy Asian babes in their twenties yelling “sexy man, one drink please.” If that’s a crime throw me in jail for the rest of my life.
I just turned 50 and keep myself in pretty good shape and there is not a day when I leave my condo I am not hit on by some hot Thai babe, whether I am going to the beach, bars or the malls. I love living in Pattya, I play golf four times a week, I go sailing and skin diving and I love the go-go bars where each night I get to pretend like I am Hugh Hefner.
Fast Eddie 48
06-02-07, 02:49
Eric Cartman
I live in Pattaya and I come from one of the most upscale locations in the world, South Beach in Miami. And as hard as I tried, not one time did I every bed down one of the super models on South Beach.
Four times you mentioned the smell; you obviously have an issue with your nose. First there are no open sewers in Pattaya. The grates are simply runs offs for the rain water as you would see in any other city in the world, except here for cost reasons instead of covering them with concrete they use metal grates.
As for what they are grilling, 100 % of the time its chicken, fish or pork. Please inform us of what you BBQ at home. The ocean smells, dude you have so lost your mind, what are you talking about. I just came back from my morning jog on the ocean and keep trying to smell anything and I have no idea where your coming from with that one. Then saying the streets are crowed with smelly fenders, wow oh wow, what a high horse you ride.
As far as people trying to sell you something, is it so hard to say, “No thank you.” And dude when you get to be 50 I am sure you won’t be fat and ugly, but rich and famous and have women falling at your feet. But, for the rest of us that will not be as fortunate as you, thank god for Pattaya. And as for sexy Asian babes in their twenties yelling “sexy man, one drink please.” If that’s a crime throw me in jail for the rest of my life.
I just turned 50 and keep myself in pretty good shape and there is not a day when I leave my condo I am not hit on by some hot Thai babe, whether I am going to the beach, bars or the malls. I love living in Pattya, I play golf four times a week, I go sailing and skin diving and I love the go-go bars where each night I get to pretend like I am Hugh Hefner.To Bill,
During last year when Pattaya was installing their new sewer line at Beach Rd it does smell bad, but now it was all done it was alot better but I will not swim in Pattaya beach. It is dirty. I will go to koh samui or phuket for their nice beach pattaya is just for mongering for me just my IMHO.
Fast eddie 48
Gyues,stop crying about price increses in Pattaya. Try it in USA for $300 in hour with 300lb *****. Pattaya rocks. I'll be in LoS, very soon. Lucky me:)
To each his own. I am with Bill to a great extent, there are a few truths in Eric's report but let's keep in mind we must take the good with the bad. I LOVE PATTAYA!
Cactus J
LittleBigMan
06-02-07, 09:34
LBM, will give his thumb up as well for Pattaya!
Fish N Chips
06-02-07, 15:03
I have yet to reach that 50's road or even that 40's road yet but you are 1000% correct. Pattaya is Disneyland for the normal shumoe. Have num-nuts compare any city in the US, there down town area will have small pockets that are malodorous. That is simply part of a normal sanitation system.
Wait wait wait GO to Kuwait, if he wants to talk about a smelly place that whole country smells like a fart.
I think the price level is still OK but bigger inflations will make it less interested.
There are other options, even back home, but I think it’s going to take many many years before LOS losing its value in the p4p world, if it ever will.
I still don’t see any progress in the Thailand economy that will make that happen.
Not like in a country like China where the P4P scene in time will be much more expensive as the economy grows better.
And that is what I think sets the price for p4p, how the countries economical status is.
There will always be cheap charlis and the ones that overpay, but in the end its evens out.
Back home I pay around 10 000 bath for an hour with girls 1,2 and 3.
(Haven’t try nr1 yet but she is working next week and I am back home then, so :)
The service is from god to excellent but it’s not any GFE like the ones you can have with TG.
Girl 4 is from Pattaya and I think she is as good looking as the other (maybe the pic don’t do here justice) but with the different that she will cost me including hotel,BF, hers fee food, drinking and unlimited sex with a service level way beyond the other 2/3, around 7-8 000 bath for hanging out with me 24 hour.
And I am spending it on my vacation, having a great time.
I can’t think that there is another place in the world that can come up with these opportunities.
And I believe that I will be there and enjoy it for many years to come and thinking the same as I do to day.
It’s cheap.
TH
Yes, Pattaya is a smelly town. A few days ago from Jomtien to Naklua something must have polluted the sea from Jomtien to Naklua. Dark, smelly stuff. Thousands of fish dead. Even the Thais got upset. It lasted 3/4 days. Newspapers reported it, too! Try 2nd. Road from South Pattaya to the hill. Does not get any worse. They are just digging it up for the third time in 6 month. Yes, there is smell of sewage in Pattaya. In rainy season raw sewage floods many areas of town. Yes, Thai food can smell terrible for Farangs, but so does probably Cheese for Thais. As a non drinker and smoker the "lovely" breath of most Thais is a real turnoff! What a pleasure to kiss a Philippina!
Yes, the market gets destroyed by "generous", some call them stupid Farangs, that feel they got a proof the girls how successful and rich they are. Just look at the "Victims" walking the streets of "Disneyworld". The girls got a radar system to pick their generous sugar daddy! To whom it may concern: You should hear them talking and laughing about you when you are heading home. ! Don’t forget to finance their new villa in Isaan and monthly payments for the entire family and friends!
Unfortunately, there are not many options left in the world, where you can get cheap sex, cheap and good food, reasonable infrastructure, tropical weather and still reasonable safety. So I guess we all will be here years from now and we will be discussing the same stuff over and over again.
We have not even started to talk about the real problems here. "Culture", Drugs, Politics, Social Welfare Problems etc. Etc.
Anybody knows a good country to move to. Seriously. Please let us know. I am the first to go. .
"Critical" and not yet succumbed to the Pattaya Virus, after all these years.
Hi guys,
Just wanted to find out if anyone has had any russians, indians or middle easten. Will be in Pattaya for 6 nights so wanna mix the mongering up abit as I will be in BKK for 7 days before arriving to Pattaya, so if anyone can provide more info. Are they street walkers or are any available in the massage joints? Marks outta 10? Cost?
Tors - 7000B for 24 hours for that? More like 2500 (which is STILL overpiced by Thai standards). Ask what the weekly rate is - you might be surprised - maybe 10,000 (and that's generous, it would probably be less - but you WOULD have to stay with her once you paid for it or just cut her loose with the full payment).
While I admit that most of the poo-ying short time work that moneymaker they sit on, some of them realize the value of having a bit longer term payment at a lower "per hour" rate. I had a particularly horny 40 Y/O who turned me every which way but loose for 1000/day (I didn't ask about the "long term rate"). "Clingy" though. Since I was only in Pattaya for a couple of days it didn't matter that much.
Fish N Chips
06-03-07, 23:57
I too negotiated 800bht a day Huber hottie with fake-Ns (she was only 25yr). She was 24/7 GFE, the dam maid in the hotel was wushed out of the room, she would clean I would go run around with and some times with out her. Guys wake up, quit paying these outrageous prices. Remember he who has the gold MAKES THE RULES!!! live by it. She isn't going to think your anymore special, in fact your just inviting more trouble conducting yourself in that way.
Take care
Tors - 7000B for 24 hours for that? More like 2500 (which is STILL overpiced by Thai standards). Ask what the weekly rate is - you might be surprised - maybe 10,000 (and that's generous, it would probably be less - but you WOULD have to stay with her once you paid for it or just cut her loose with the full payment).
While I admit that most of the poo-ying short time work that moneymaker they sit on, some of them realize the value of having a bit longer term payment at a lower "per hour" rate. I had a particularly horny 40 Y/O who turned me every which way but loose for 1000/day (I didn't ask about the "long term rate"). "Clingy" though. Since I was only in Pattaya for a couple of days it didn't matter that much.Hi,
The 7-8000 was for everything
My hotel, food, drinking, and other things
She probably cost me around 3-4000 a day including, food drinking BF.
Some of you probably thinking that’s overpaying by, but I still thinking, where in the world can I cut a deal like this.
I can’t help myself thinking that I still pay a normal amount of bath for a thing like this.
Sometimes I think the members in this forum like to show off how good price they pay for a hot girl, but honestly what do you guys pay for a superstar gogo girl LT in your short holiday?
I understand the ones living there or staying longer time can cut a better deal (they have the time on there side)but the rest of us.
I want the hottest possible IMOP and as many as possible, and I want to pay the going rate but I don’t want to overpay.
Next trip she wants me to live in here apartment with here, and if I do I probably can cut my costs to a minimum with a weekly rate (if I have to do a trip with a tight budget)
But to go mongering in LOS with a tight budget is not my style
My point is that I still think mongering in LOS/Pattaya is cheap.
Compare to the other options I have, hot girls in LOS are still a barging
TH
Fish N Chips
06-04-07, 13:34
mr.tors ham
we understand and we are not trying to beat you up, you have the unfortunate task of of blazing a trail by yourself. or what i mean to say is you are paying for your education, and you are paying too much. you are right in some parts of your reply the guys that live there do get the first crack at the premium chicks. but, we who have yet to retire there can still pull the hotties and not have to pay through the nose, really.
i have a story:
many, many moons ago i made my first trek to los. a year prior to this life changing event i knuckled down and researched where, how, when, & what ?!?!? many questions, and it seem the more i researched the more questions i had, and then found my self asking the same question and looking up the same answers. part of that had to do to my lack of organization, however i was highly motivated and made, i thought, a great deal of headway 12 months later. looking back on it now, after one year of research the most valuable thing to come out of all that effort was the phrase, "words can not describe it, you just have to experience it!". this phrase, this quote appeared in almost every document, article, vhs trip tapes i researched, every one!
now your saying to yourself, dam that's all you figured out after a year of research. well i had a head full of what i thought was knowledge, but it paled in comparison to my chance encounter. an encounter that bestowed upon me 20 years of expatriate experience. experience that money, and i don't care how much you have, would ever be able to emulate. i have forgotten already more information then the rest of us will ever know about los.
ok ok on to the trip. i buttoned up my rental property because i planed for a one month trip. this is some of the knowledge i learned on my own. i have to say, if your going for the first time and you can take a month it's the recommended introduction to los.
as i tied up my loose ends friends of mine were concerned, sars had just broken out in south east asia. i said "fock-it", i had planed on this trip for far too long to have some dam mini-pandemic screw with my vacation.
thank god for sars, this was the mechanism that landed me in the library of los.
i get on the plane, a 747 headed to los. there were a total of 12 people on the flight. 12 dam people on the whole plane. at first we were all looking around thinking, hell ya i'll get to stretch out on this long @ss 13 hour flight. but wait, the stewardess came back and moved us all to 1st class. yup, lobster, reclining chairs, my own screen, and champlain wooooohoo. this was a sign!
we all of course spaced out and got real comfortable, eat our meal and ordered bottle after bottle of the bubbly stuff. taking a q from one of the gents sitting next to me, he said "order by the glass and hit on the stewardess when she comes around". really, i was the only one hitting on the girls, the gents were just playing grabass. really they were grabbing, stroking, feeling up the dam stewardess's!
that's what dirty old men do, lol!!!
they earned it
i can't wait to get older, you get away with so much more
halfway in to the flight the dozen of us get chatty. the flight is made up of me, going to turn 30 on this vacation, a guy you would expect to see at the local temp help agency. he was going to the philippines to meet his on-line love. the other ten guys were 60 and up. all headed to the land of smiles on there last trip finalizing the paperwork on there retirement homes. nothing special, they weren't captains of industry just middle income guys that found out about this little paradise in there 40's, and have been coming here ever sense.
the dynamic ten found out 1st how old i was, 2nd that it was my first trip to los and i had never been married ( as one of them put it, "if you are you wont be when you get back" ).
then christmas came (in may)!
the next thing you know every one of them changed seats and was sitting around me like we were having a pow wow smoke in a tepee tent. one talking over the other asking what hotel are you staying at, what city are you going to stay in, do you play golf, your only 30 - dam i wish i was 30 and know what i know now, son you are so far ahead of the game coming here at your age and your not married and no kids sh!t.
on & on & on & on then they started in on story time. just imagine the articles and pics you see and read about in the group, but have ten older gents narrating the story lines. my dam stomach hurt sooo bad, i was crying it was so dam funny! that flight took all of 5 seconds. between story time and them calling for more bubbly to play grabass with the stewardess, i have never had so much fun on a flight. think about it a 747 with 10 drunk horny old men, chasing a dozen chines stewardess's around the plane for entertainment.
i'm laughing right now while writing this, god dam it was funny!
as we came closer to bkk i kinda described what i had intended on doing for this trip. they all just nodded wrinkled there bottom lip and made a sound like hummmmm. and like pop-corn they all started chirping talking to each other and over one another; jerry & i are at the dynasty, frank tom bill & garry are at the nana, and the rest of us are heading to pattaya. mean while the plane parked and all of us are grabbing our carry-ons and starting to disembark. when one of the guys puts his arm around my shoulder and says " son tell ya what were going to do, were going to show you around town".
and this was where my first lesson began:
tourist-pricing, expat-pricing, & the thai-price. he explained as we all walked off the plane the pricing structure (something i never came across in my research) and said," we are going to show you the who-what-when-where-why-&-how of thailand. all we ask of you is to pass it on to the next bastard that escapes".
i said "i can do that chief"!!!
well come to find out these guys made up a schedule from the hip as we walked from the plane to immigration. it was like i was a long lost grandchild and the grandpa's were fighting for custody. it was hilarious! by the time we get through customs half the guys were headed to pattaya right away and the other half were going to mill about in bkk for a week then head down to pattaya. so my schedule solved the time sharing issue, lol! i was staying in bkk for the first week and then to pattaya for the last three.
every one made it through customs and i said good by an i'll see ya in a week. took there business cards and
learned lesson two:
transportation to your hotel, never take a limo - or company type transport from the airport to your hotel. only take a meter taxi and never negotiate a price, just take the meter or you will pay too much.
there is more (about 30 more lesson's), needless to say i was passed good info and this is what this board is about. to keep new-bees / the non-retired, on the right path so they don't fock it up for the rest of us. i really like the place and would like to keep it the way it is !!!
so when a member tells you good god man your paying to much learn from other peoples mistakes, your not the first one to pay to much. believe us, your service does not get better when you pay more. los is 180 degrees different then any western environment, they don't understand the western mentality. the thai’s see this as you being gullible; and has the reverse affect that westerners would think. learn from the board, we all know poon can make you do some goofy stuff. we are not here talking about crap we no nothing about we are vets and know a thing or two about this environment !!!
Hey Tors,
I think the point here is when you and others over pay the girls, they start to expect that from other guys & eventually it drives up the the prices... Bangkok is a perfect example: Some girls are asking 3000-4000bht short time... This is because they learned that some guys will pay this. The beauty of the Pattaya scene is not only the amount of beautiful girls available but that it doesn't cost so much. I guarantee when your over paid playmate was talking with her friends about you... they all had a good laugh at how much you gave her. You don't have to be a "cheap charlie" with the girls just don't over pay. Happy Hunting :)
TKP1
Hi,
The 7-8000 was for everything
My hotel, food, drinking, and other things
She probably cost me around 3-4000 a day including, food drinking BF.
Some of you probably thinking that’s overpaying by, but I still thinking, where in the world can I cut a deal like this.
I can’t help myself thinking that I still pay a normal amount of bath for a thing like this.
Sometimes I think the members in this forum like to show off how good price they pay for a hot girl, but honestly what do you guys pay for a superstar gogo girl LT in your short holiday?
I understand the ones living there or staying longer time can cut a better deal (they have the time on there side)but the rest of us.
I want the hottest possible IMOP and as many as possible, and I want to pay the going rate but I don’t want to overpay.
Next trip she wants me to live in here apartment with here, and if I do I probably can cut my costs to a minimum with a weekly rate (if I have to do a trip with a tight budget)
But to go mongering in LOS with a tight budget is not my style
My point is that I still think mongering in LOS/Pattaya is cheap.
Compare to the other options I have, hot girls in LOS are still a barging
TH
Fish,
You had me rollin'!
Good info & a crack up.
TKP1
Khun Larry
06-04-07, 17:40
Girl 4 is from Pattaya and I think she is as good looking as the other (maybe the pic don’t do here justice) but with the different that she will cost me including hotel,BF, hers fee food, drinking and unlimited sex with a service level way beyond the other 2/3, around 7-8 000 bath for hanging out with me 24 hour.
It’s cheap.
TH
8000 Baht .............. YIKES
Good time for sure and definitely on the very upper end of the Pattaya scene price scale.
Mr.Tors Ham
We understand and we are not trying to beat you up, you have the unfortunate task of of blazing a trail by yourself. Or what I mean to say is you are paying for your education, and you are paying too much. You are right in some parts of your reply the guys that live there do get the first crack at the premium chicks. BUT, we who have yet to retire there can still pull the hotties and not have to pay through the nose, REALLY.Hi,
Well I will always be a newbie to LOS, that I have already learned, but I have been there more than ones.
And my first trip 8 years ago (my connecting flight was cancel) was an accident, but boy was I fuckt, hehehe.
Everything from taxi touts at the airport to, oh! I had almost erased that trip from my memory and now you make everything come back again 555
I took a guided tour that screwed med big time; well you know most of that tour was in and out of shops trying to make me by things. And I did.:) as the stupid prick I am
The evening started in Patpong and ended in Soi Thanya (where some tout managed to guide me to :) with a BF for if I don’t remember wrong 3000 bath and a crappy but damn hot girl for I think 4000 bath, oh! I forgot the bar bill that was at least 3000 bath.
Well the 2 trip wasn’t that much better ether 5555 but that’s another story. (and don’t ask me I am trying to erase the memory of that one to)
How about that for a first trip, I don’t think 25 000 bath for a half day and one night is enough ;
They workt me good,the Thais at that point.
But of some strange reason I was little bit hooked by it, and it was the first time I ever P4P.
Remember I didn’t know anything about Thailand at that point, before you start complaining to much 555
The sad thing is that I have never managed to stay for longer than max 7 days each time (usually 3-4 days)
But I live and learn and thanks to forum like this that make my life as a monger easier and I probably will do better in the future because of it.
And if not, well I have paid for my knowledge before and probably will in the future to.
Well thanks the one above that I don’t take myself or life to serious I probably would cry in public over all the stupid thing I have done in my life otherwise 5555
I got to have something to laugh at when I am old and in a wheel chair 555
So I will still think that 8000 bath for a day including a hot TG is a bargain.
Until I learn better, and thanks to you guys there is hope for someone like me to :)
TH
SidTheSexist
06-05-07, 04:32
Girl 4 is from Pattaya and I think she is as good looking as the other (maybe the pic don’t do here justice) but with the different that she will cost me including hotel,BF, hers fee food, drinking and unlimited sex with a service level way beyond the other 2/3, around 7-8 000 bath for hanging out with me 24 hour.
I can’t think that there is another place in the world that can come up with these opportunities.THTH- You mention China as being cheap, however not for much longer as the economy grows?
China is a big place, but to take the capital as an example, you should know that you wont get anything for much cheaper than what you claim to be paying in Pattaya already. 3500bht ST is the going rate with anywhere up to 7-8000bht LT should you wish longer. I sure hope your prediction doesnt come soon.
Sid
Fish N Chips
06-05-07, 12:16
By the way thanks -TKP1- I am not that creative, the story just flowed from what I could remember. It was, I think about the best intro to LOS you could have.
On to whats going to happen to LOS over the next 20yrs
As China and India develop, you can simply take a page from US economic history. Look at a map of the US and then a map of Asia. Thailand is configured geographically just like Florida and will in turn develop along the same economic history.
As China & India develops the middle class Thailand is going to have enormous resort development pressure. You are starting to see the beginning stages of this right now. The freedoms we westerners have right now will shrivel to nothing over the next 10 to 20 years. Right now are the last best years for the average monger.
I hope to in the coming years have enough pocket change to pick up some type of investment (property/hotel). So, when I retire I can keep a little bastion of monger life alive.
Joe Island
06-05-07, 19:07
I've been reading here about the fate of the mongering in Thailand. I'm still in class room training (reading all the info I can). So I can't give any reports on the matter but I sure know its concerning to me that I might not have the opertunity to pursue a career in the art of Newbie *****mongering in Thialand. I'm enjoying all my classes but I'm might have to take a course on a different region just in case.
Will be visiting Bangkok & Pattaya soon for the 1st time, what is the going rate?
TH- You mention China as being cheap, however not for much longer as the economy grows?
China is a big place, but to take the capital as an example, you should know that you wont get anything for much cheaper than what you claim to be paying in Pattaya already. 3500bht ST is the going rate with anywhere up to 7-8000bht LT should you wish longer. I sure hope your prediction doesnt come soon.
Sid
Fish N Chips
06-05-07, 21:29
ST= 300bht to 1000bht
LT= 800bht to 2000bht
and if your paying 2k you had better get all that and the kitchen sink, to include PICs
Will be visiting Bangkok & Pattaya soon for the 1st time, what is the going rate?
FishNChips,
Thanks for that. I like to keep abreast of current rates even though I am nowhere near there now, but, I am afraid to ask for fear of being told to RTFF - reports vary wildly and it is good to get an idea what the 'price you normally expect when you are actually there' is.
Helps with budget planning :)
BKK/Pat gogo chicks roughly double that (plus BF), little cheaper in Pat, many don't do LT unless quite late
Good luck, Veterano
Fish N Chips,
Very interesting post on your first trip. Wish my flight to LOS in 02 would have been as entertaining as yours. Even with the SARS scare, my plane was pretty much packed. At least it brought down the prices to asia.
The first thing I noticed while walking out of the airport was like God just opened the oven door. Man was it hot, even at midnight. I survived the heat and will be back for my 4th trip this fall. Once you get Thai fever, it never goes away.
Later, SB
A public thank you for taking the time to post recent rates.
ST= 300bht to 1000bht
LT= 800bht to 2000bht
and if your paying 2k you had better get all that and the kitchen sink, to include PICs
A public thank you for taking the time to post recent rates.I have been visiting Pattaya since 1987 and my rates have changed but slightly. Until recently, I used to pay BT 300 for ST and BT 500 for LT. Only in the past two years I have noticed that the rates have gone up to ST 500 and LT 700-1000. Two months ago, I paid BT800 for LT. I think two factors affecting the rise of the rates in Pattaya: ex-army westerners who have got plenty of cash from their service in Kuwait or Iraq & affluent Arabs. Once I saw a Westerner (Farang) paying BT 3000 for a tiny chick in Soi4 and giving each waiteress BT 500. However, my rates have not changed too much. I take ladies everynight and only pay BT 800 for a LT.
Hi,
Well
1. I am a idiot or...
2. We talking about little different things.
I don’t know how many time I have been to LOS mongering but it’s only for short stops every time,
So I don’t have any bigger knowledge about the price settings (not like the vets and expats here)
I don’t know what the soi 6, 7, 8 girls wants, have never found something I like in those areas.
Takes to much of my short time to find hot girls (IMOP) there, but I know there are.
I hope the price Fish N Chips is talking about is from those areas.
In the gogos (where I usually hang out)the girls wants 1-2000 ST and 2-3500LT. depending on how hot the girls, or how hot she thinks she is.
3500 in Pattaya is a sign, (as I see it) that she doesn’t really want to go with me and I skip those ones. (a heavy Jap crowd in the bar seems to rise the price to)
The price level is around + 500 in BKK.
If the girl offer LT price I pretend that I hear 1000 less, smile and repeat it and say OK.
And usually I take down the price 500 without to much negotiation.
BF in the gogos 5-600 and the show, coyote dancer sometimes 1000 or more (usually before 24 00 then its down to 5-600)
The price level have from what I can remember gone up around 500 over the 8-9 years I have been here.
But I have never got a hot a superstar show dancer LT for less than 2500.
This prices are from my 2 trips to BKK in the end of last year and one in this year to Pattaya.
TH
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
George Dickel
06-08-07, 21:22
Veterano,
I arrived in Pattaya today. Never done the soapy massage and would like to give it a try. Are there set prices? How much do you tip the girl?
Thanks
BKK/Pat gogo chicks roughly double that (plus BF), little cheaper in Pat, many don't do LT unless quite late
Good luck, Veterano
Fish N Chips
06-08-07, 22:13
Da-Gone
Tors Ham needs to be a little more frugal, again he is under the impression that you have to pay more to get top shelf poon. He couldn't be farther from the truth.
Your right about the X-military types going over there, I'm one and I have a bunch of my guys going there. AND yes they are acting a foooool with there new found wealth. I went as far as to set up a web site for my guys so they would quit coming in to my office asking about how to do this, and how to do that???
Which also served, I hoped to educate the guys before they go over there acting a fooool.
They can't get access this site while on uncle sams Internet, so my site was slipped in under the radar and explained Prices, places to go to, places to stay away from, Tourist pricing, expat pricing, & the Thai-Price.
They are the single biggest reason for the escalation / inflation in LOS.
I have been visiting Pattaya since 1987 and my rates have changed but slightly. Until recently, I used to pay BT 300 for ST and BT 500 for LT. Only in the past two years I have noticed that the rates have gone up to ST 500 and LT 700-1000. Two months ago, I paid BT800 for LT. I think two factors affecting the rise of the rates in Pattaya: ex-army westerners who have got plenty of cash from their service in Kuwait or Iraq & affluent Arabs. Once I saw a Westerner (Farang) paying BT 3000 for a tiny chick in Soi4 and giving each waiteress BT 500. However, my rates have not changed too much. I take ladies everynight and only pay BT 800 for a LT.
Fish N Chips
06-09-07, 20:11
and here is a sample on how i'm trying to help the next guy out:
these are a good isg wrap up of trip reports:
http://www.evasimonetyler.com/slideshows/15%20slide%20shows.html
http://www.evasimonetyler.com/slideshows/16%20slide%20shows.html
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shared a taxi to the nana, total cost about $10 divided by 2 = 5-bucks for a 45 minute ride in an air conditioned car across town. on check-in was given
lesson 3:
when getting a room at the nana take a room above the 6th floor, noise & a much better view but doesn't cost a penny more ( now bangkok city suites is the recommended place to stay, nana is still ok but you can't beat the price of the bcs, plus its new. or even nasavegas hotel not as new but a great price ). to the room to drop my bags. then headed to bill's room for a nip of that johny walker we picked up in the duty free right after customs. drank a few listened to and viewed some of his great adventures while sipping a little johny walker over ice. a few hours later (about 3pm bkk time) we redeemed our complimentary cocktail in the nana lounge. then leisurely strolled through the lobby looking at the little phishes swimming about and bill shaking hands with about every one in the lobby. it was like watch norm enter cheers. we made our way out to the golden bar.
where i learned lesson 4:
the place where if you sit long enough you see some one you know. really, its the perfect fall back point that only the seasoned know about.
we met the rest of the guys and i was introduced to the girls of golden.
again another lesson 5:
the guys explained to me that you don't boom boom the golden's girls, that's for the tourists. to them the golden's girls were more like good old fashion girl friends (like noo & her click). you should always buy them a drink or two or three etc. bar fine them for dinner & a movie. but just as friends and keep it that way because they can teach you and show you the inside track to living like thai in bangkok. where the tourist go and where the locals go. you'll end up with ten times the entertainment value for a tenth of the price. they (noo & her click) are the ambassadors of good will in bangkok.
off to the bamboo bar for happy hour and a couple games of pool. eat some bbq from the street vendors (no worries very safe) about 0.20cents a stick for chicken - beef - shrimp etc, a dollar goes a long way when filling up your gut. after drinking a lot of carlsberg and heineken and shooting more pool then i usually do some one mentioned there feet were sore and could use a foot spa.
on to lesson 6:
from nana take soi-4 to sukimvit hang a right behind the police booth on the corner. look to your right as you navigate through the vendors for a set of stairs with gray-ish blue carpet, white-ish walls, and a silver hand rail. there is only one set of stairs in that area. you'll climb stairs that are set at a 70 degree angle (its oddly steep) and find the best message place in bangkok. right under every ones nose, and yet they will all pay two to three times more then you when getting any kind of message.
by this time it's getting on in the evening and the gents are starting to feel a little frisky. we shuffled back to the golden and debated where to take the youngster next. during this debate fruit was ordered from the street vendor pineapple, mango, several local thai-fruits and inhaled as soon as it hit the table. finally a decision was made and i was introduced to
lesson number 7:
and its infamous history, the thermea cafe. i understand this place has a unique history from the vietnam war. the cia and intelligence community along with some of the seedier personalities of the world frequented the cafe and often did business there. it is a bar over flowing with freelancers. ladies that have regular 9 to 5 jobs or collage students looking to make a couple extra bucks. putting to good use what mother nature gave them and what western men can't get enough of, thank god they have more supply then demand. this has nothing to do with a quality issue ie: supply, there's just sooo dam much of it, it's heaven.
we through back a few more hinees and a couple of the gents hooked up with some fine looking 20somethings. i said, "hell i better get a move on" and bill replied, "chill we have plenty of time, those pussies are going to turn in early because they have a tee time in the morning. we still have another place to hit".
another thing you need to keep in mind as you read this, these guys were picking up the tab on every thing. i would try to pick up a tab or two to be sporting, but no your the new guy we got it!
which brings us to lesson 8:
we all head out to the street, every one has a hot @ss chick except for bill & i. we line up 3 or 4 taxi's and head back to the nana. they go up to there room for some boom boom and bill & i swim through the phishes to angels club inside the nana hotel (about midnight) and the place was packed @sshole to elbow with women. really guys they out number the men 10 to 1 and i may even be under stating it, no sh!t it could easily be 20 to 1, i kid you not. some how bill finds me and stuffs several oddly colored drinks in my pie-hole. mean while were people watching, commenting to one another about the chicks on the dance floor. at this same time each of us has a smoke-n hot chick on either side of us molesting our genitalia. between the freakishly colored drinks and the spontaneous prostate exam i was feeling very frisky and very very drunk. i leaned over to bill to yell my thoughts to him but he beat me to the punch. unlike him i have very good hearing. once the ringing in my ear stopped, i understood and he understood that it was boom boom time.
have you ever been so drunk you had to strain to keep your eyes open. well by the time i hit my door that was the predicament i found my self in. yup, a fine specimen of femininity laying naked on my bed and i had a dick as limp as your grandma's noodle casserole. fock, now what?
wait, i remember bill talking about viagra. told the vixen, "bree wite back". boom out the door and across the hall, thank god he wasn't far away. tap tap tap, ya, bill, ya, need some help.
no i don't need any help, no focker i need help.
he opens the door -whaaat- gimy some viagra i'm to drunk. i get the little blue devil and i only take half because i had never used it before, i didn't know how i would react. stumbled back to the room took a shower, and da da da puppy power, i mean da da da greyhound power! like i was 14 in miss turners sex-ed class again.
[quote=fish n chips]
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i have a story:
many, many moons ago i made my first trek to los. a year prior to this life changing event i knuckled down and researched where, how, when, & what ?!?!? many questions, and it seem the more i researched the more questions i had, and then found my self asking the same question and looking up the same answers. part of that had to do to my lack of organization, however i was highly motivated and made, i thought, a great deal of headway 12 months later. looking back on it now, after one year of research the most valuable thing to come out of all that effort was the phrase, "words can not describe it, you just have to experience it!". this phrase, this quote appeared in almost every document, article, vhs trip tapes i researched, every one!
now your saying to yourself, dam that's all you figured out after a year of research. well i had a head full of what i thought was knowledge, but it paled in comparison to my chance encounter. an encounter that bestowed upon me 20 years of expatriate experience. experience that money, and i don't care how much you have, would ever be able to emulate. i have forgotten already more information then the rest of us will ever know about los.
ok ok on to the trip. i buttoned up my rental property because i planed for a one month trip. this is some of the knowledge i learned on my own. i have to say, if your going for the first time and you can take a month it's the recommended introduction to los.
as i tied up my loose ends friends of mine were concerned, sars had just broken out in south east asia. i said "fock-it", i had planed on this trip for far too long to have some dam mini-pandemic screw with my vacation.
thank god for sars, this was the mechanism that landed me in the library of los.
i get on the plane, a 747 headed to los. there were a total of 12 people on the flight. 12 dam people on the whole plane. at first we were all looking around thinking, hell ya i'll get to stretch out on this long @ss 13 hour flight. but wait, the stewardess came back and moved us all to 1st class. yup, lobster, reclining chairs, my own screen, and champlain wooooohoo. this was a sign!
we all of course spaced out and got real comfortable, eat our meal and ordered bottle after bottle of the bubbly stuff. taking a q from one of the gents sitting next to me, he said "order by the glass and hit on the stewardess when she comes around". really, i was the only one hitting on the girls, the gents were just playing grabass. really they were grabbing, stroking, feeling up the dam stewardess's!
that's what dirty old men do, lol!!!
they earned it
i can't wait to get older, you get away with so much more
halfway in to the flight the dozen of us get chatty. the flight is made up of me, going to turn 30 on this vacation, a guy you would expect to see at the local temp help agency. he was going to the philippines to meet his on-line love. the other ten guys were 60 and up. all headed to the land of smiles on there last trip finalizing the paperwork on there retirement homes. nothing special, they weren't captains of industry just middle income guys that found out about this little paradise in there 40's, and have been coming here ever sense.
the dynamic ten found out 1st how old i was, 2nd that it was my first trip to los and i had never been married ( as one of them put it, "if you are you wont be when you get back" ).
then christmas came (in may)!
the next thing you know every one of them changed seats and was sitting around me like we were having a pow wow smoke in a tepee tent. one talking over the other asking what hotel are you staying at, what city are you going to stay in, do you play golf, your only 30 - dam i wish i was 30 and know what i know now, son you are so far ahead of the game coming here at your age and your not married and no kids sh!t.
on & on & on & on then they started in on story time. just imagine the articles and pics you see and read about in the group, but have ten older gents narrating the story lines. my dam stomach hurt sooo bad, i was crying it was so dam funny! that flight took all of 5 seconds. between story time and them calling for more bubbly to play grabass with the stewardess, i have never had so much fun on a flight. think about it a 747 with 10 drunk horny old men, chasing a dozen chines stewardess's around the plane for entertainment.
i'm laughing right now while writing this, god dam it was funny!
as we came closer to bkk i kinda described what i had intended on doing for this trip. they all just nodded wrinkled there bottom lip and made a sound like hummmmm. and like pop-corn they all started chirping talking to each other and over one another; jerry & i are at the dynasty, frank tom bill & garry are at the nana, and the rest of us are heading to pattaya. mean while the plane parked and all of us are grabbing our carry-ons and starting to disembark. when one of the guys puts his arm around my shoulder and says " son tell ya what were going to do, were going to show you around town".
and this was where my first lesson began:
tourist-pricing, expat-pricing, & the thai-price. he explained as we all walked off the plane the pricing structure (something i never came across in my research) and said," we are going to show you the who-what-when-where-why-&-how of thailand. all we ask of you is to pass it on to the next bastard that escapes".
i said "i can do that chief"!!!
well come to find out these guys made up a schedule from the hip as we walked from the plane to immigration. it was like i was a long lost grandchild and the grandpa's were fighting for custody. it was hilarious! by the time we get through customs half the guys were headed to pattaya right away and the other half were going to mill about in bkk for a week then head down to pattaya. so my schedule solved the time sharing issue, lol! i was staying in bkk for the first week and then to pattaya for the last three.
every one made it through customs and i said good by an i'll see ya in a week. took there business cards and
learned lesson two:
transportation to your hotel, never take a limo - or company type transport from the airport to your hotel. only take a meter taxi and never negotiate a price, just take the meter or you will pay too much.
there is more (about 30 more lesson's), needless to say i was passed good info and this is what this board is about. to keep new-bees / the non-retired, on the right path so they don't fock it up for the rest of us. i really like the place and would like to keep it the way it is !!!
so when a member tells you good god man your paying to much learn from other peoples mistakes, your not the first one to pay to much. believe us, your service does not get better when you pay more. los is 180 degrees different then any western environment, they don't understand the western mentality. the thai’s see this as you being gullible; and has the reverse affect that westerners would think. learn from the board, we all know poon can make you do some goofy stuff. we are not here talking about crap we no nothing about we are vets and know a thing or two about this environment !!!
"Lesson number 7:
and its infamous history, the Thermea Cafe. I understand this place has a unique history from the Vietnam war."
Isn't this the old "Madrid Cafe" made famous by visits from Tony Po?
and here is a sample on how I'm trying to help the next guy out:
[QUOTE=Fish N Chips]These are a good ISG wrap up of trip reports:
http://www.evasimonetyler.com/slideshows/15%20Slide%20Shows.html
http://www.evasimonetyler.com/slideshows/16%20Slide%20Shows.html
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Shared a taxi to the Nana, total cost about $10 divided by 2 = 5-bucks for a 45 minute ride in an air conditioned car across town. On check-in was given
lesson 3:
when getting a room at the Nana take a room above the 6th floor, noise & a much better view but doesn't cost a penny more ( now Bangkok City Suites is the recommended place to stay, Nana is still ok but you can't beat the price of the BCS, plus its new. Or even NasaVegas hotel not as new but a great price ). To the room to drop my bags. Then headed to Bill's room for a nip of that Johny Walker we picked up in the duty free right after customs. Drank a few listened to and viewed some of his great adventures while sipping a little Johny Walker over Ice. A few hours later (about 3pm BKK time) we redeemed our complimentary cocktail in the Nana lounge. Then leisurely strolled through the lobby looking at the little phishes swimming about and Bill shaking hands with about every one in the lobby. It was like watch Norm enter Cheers. We made our way out to the Golden Bar.
Where I learned lesson 4:
the place where if you sit long enough you see some one you know. Really, its the perfect fall back point that only the seasoned know about.
We met the rest of the guys and I was introduced to the girls of Golden.
Again another lesson 5:
the guys explained to me that you don't boom boom the Golden's girls, that's for the tourists. To them the Golden's girls were more like good old fashion girl friends (like Noo & her click). You should always buy them a drink or two or three Etc. Bar fine them for dinner & a movie. But just as friends and keep it that way because they can teach you and show you the inside track to living like Thai in Bangkok. Where the tourist go and where the locals go. You'll end up with ten times the entertainment value for a tenth of the price. They (Noo & her click) are the ambassadors of good will in Bangkok.
Off to the Bamboo Bar for happy hour and a couple games of pool. Eat some BBQ from the street vendors (no worries very safe) about 0.20cents a stick for chicken - beef - shrimp Etc, a dollar goes a long way when filling up your gut. After drinking a lot of Carlsberg and Heineken and shooting more pool then I usually do some one mentioned there feet were sore and could use a foot spa.
On to lesson 6:
from Nana take soi-4 to sukimvit hang a right behind the police booth on the corner. Look to your right as you navigate through the vendors for a set of stairs with gray-ish blue carpet, white-ish walls, and a silver hand rail. There is only one set of stairs in that area. You'll climb stairs that are set at a 70 degree angle (its oddly steep) and find the best message place in Bangkok. Right under every ones nose, and yet they will all pay two to three times more then you when getting any kind of message.
By this time it's getting on in the evening and the gents are starting to feel a little frisky. We shuffled back to the Golden and debated where to take the youngster next. During this debate fruit was ordered from the street vendor Pineapple, Mango, several local Thai-fruits and inhaled as soon as it hit the table. Finally a decision was made and I was introduced to
Lesson number 7:
and its infamous history, the Thermea Cafe. I understand this place has a unique history from the Vietnam war. The CIA and intelligence community along with some of the seedier personalities of the world frequented the Cafe and often did business there. It is a bar over flowing with freelancers. Ladies that have regular 9 to 5 jobs or collage students looking to make a couple extra bucks. Putting to good use what mother nature gave them and what western men can't get enough of, thank GOD they have more supply then demand. This has nothing to do with a quality issue IE: supply, there's just sooo dam much of it, it's heaven.
We through back a few more Hinees and a couple of the gents hooked up with some fine looking 20somethings. I said, "Hell I better get a move on" and Bill replied, "chill we have plenty of time, those pussies are going to turn in early because they have a tee time in the morning. We still have another place to hit".
Another thing you need to keep in mind as you read this, these guys were picking up the tab on every thing. I would try to pick up a tab or two to be sporting, BUT NO your the new guy we got it!
Which brings us to lesson 8:
we all head out to the street, every one has a HOT @ss chick except for Bill & I. We line up 3 or 4 taxi's and head back to the Nana. They go up to there room for some boom boom and Bill & I swim through the phishes to Angels Club inside the Nana hotel (about midnight) and the place was packed @sshole to elbow with women. Really guys they out number the men 10 to 1 and I may even be under stating it, NO SH!T it could easily be 20 to 1, I kid you not. Some how Bill finds me and stuffs several oddly colored drinks in my pie-hole. Mean while were people watching, commenting to one another about the chicks on the dance floor. At this same time each of us has a smoke-N hot chick on either side of us molesting our genitalia. Between the freakishly colored drinks and the spontaneous prostate exam I was feeling very frisky and very very drunk. I leaned over to Bill to yell my thoughts to him but he beat me to the punch. Unlike him I have very good hearing. Once the ringing in my ear stopped, I understood and he understood that it was boom boom time.
Have you ever been so drunk you had to strain to keep your eyes open. Well by the time I hit my door that was the predicament I found my self in. YUP, a fine specimen of femininity laying naked on my bed and I had a dick as limp as your grandma's noodle casserole. FOCK, now what?
Wait, i remember Bill talking about Viagra. Told the vixen, "bree wite back". Boom out the door and across the hall, thank god he wasn't far away. Tap Tap Tap, ya, Bill, ya, need some help.
No I don't need any help, NO focker i need help.
He opens the door -whaaat- gimy some Viagra I'm to drunk. I get the little blue devil and I only take half because i had never used it before, I didn't know how i would react. Stumbled back to the room took a shower, and Da da da puppy power, I mean da da da greyhound power! Like i was 14 in Miss Turners Sex-Ed class again.
Silly Fool
06-11-07, 13:20
"Lesson number 7:
and its infamous history, the Thermea Cafe. I understand this place has a unique history from the Vietnam war."
Isn't this the old "Madrid Cafe" made famous by visits from Tony Po?
[QUOTE=Fish N Chips]and here is a sample on how I'm trying to help the next guy out:
Go Newbie-get amongst it-keep the great reports coming
LittleBigMan
06-12-07, 04:57
Has anyone experience the Black Pearl Bar out on Siam Country Rd, near the large Golf driving range?
LBM
Khun Larry
06-12-07, 06:24
These are a good ISG wrap up of trip reports:
http://www.evasimonetyler.com/slideshows/15%20Slide%20Shows.html
http://www.evasimonetyler.com/slideshows/16%20Slide%20Shows.html
Again another lesson 5:
the guys explained to me that you don't boom boom the Golden's girls, that's for the tourists. To them the Golden's girls were more like good old fashion girl friends (like Noo & her click). You should always buy them a drink or two or three Etc. Bar fine them for dinner & a movie. But just as friends and keep it that way because they can teach you and show you the inside track to living like Thai in Bangkok. Where the tourist go and where the locals go. You'll end up with ten times the entertainment value for a tenth of the price. They (Noo & her click) are the ambassadors of good will in Bangkok.
You make some good points but are much too generous in your comments about about the thai girls. Maybe a little chat in the bar but you don't need working girls for anything more than a shag. If you don't live full time in bangers and speak the language you are just another tourist / ATM in their eyes being played. I doubt you want to go where locals go unless you feel like pissing away money on everyone. farang always pays. Thais are not there for good will, just to get your money. Tell them no money and you will be standing there with your dick in your hand
Fish N Chips
06-12-07, 12:33
The shang-N yes your spot on. BUT the places I'm shown most farangs don't see, and I only cover myself when out for a trek. It really depends on how you approach it. Again a little respect goes a long way.
BUT what I think Larry is trying to say is never let your guard down, look relaxed , be relaxed and know that some Thai will be happy to take advantage of a fat farang. That is our lot in life.
Your also right about having your dick in your hand, I mixed with the wrong people on one trip. Looking to a new adventure and found a grip of opertunest. The Jig exposes itself real quick and I was off with some normal folk with in a matter of hours.
Stay safe
You make some good points but are much too generous in your comments about about the thai girls. Maybe a little chat in the bar but you don't need working girls for anything more than a shag. If you don't live full time in bangers and speak the language you are just another tourist / ATM in their eyes being played. I doubt you want to go where locals go unless you feel like pissing away money on everyone. farang always pays. Thais are not there for good will, just to get your money. Tell them no money and you will be standing there with your dick in your hand
Khun Larry
06-12-07, 16:11
The shang-N yes your spot on. BUT the places I'm shown most farangs don't see, and I only cover myself when out for a trek. It really depends on how you approach it. Again a little respect goes a long way.
BUT what I think Larry is trying to say is never let your guard down, look relaxed , be relaxed and know that some Thai will be happy to take advantage of a fat farang. That is our lot in life.
Stay safe
Aye
If you can get by without paying for a group or the family when with Thais you are pretty good! They are ingenious crafty moochers. In 10 years I have not mastered that one.
If you can get by without paying for a group or the family when with Thais you are pretty good! They are ingenious crafty moochers. In 10 years I have not mastered that one.
I've been in Thailand for much of the last six or seven years and I've never bought a meal for a group of Thais, and very few for individuals. I find that the sort of girls I date always go dutch as we say in the US. When I'm with a group of Thais we do 'American shares' (dividing the bill equally).
One clever trick for being fed by strangers for free almost anywhere outside the farang-weary tourist areas is to walk up to Thais who are cooking or eating out in the street or in a public area and, smiling, say 'aloi mai?'. You need to have a feel for when the situation is appropriate, but I find that nine times out of ten they share their meal with me! Very sweet.
Farang pays - farang me 'tang eek.
Watch out if you have Thai GF - you go out to village, you are suddenly the walking food supply/bus supply (except in the villages, the prices are lot lower). It doesn't matter much and jai dee goes a long way.
Khun Larry
06-14-07, 02:01
I find that the sort of girls I date always go dutch as we say in the US.
Right. Smoke another bowl
One clever trick for being fed by strangers for free almost anywhere outside the farang-weary tourist areas is to walk up to Thais who are cooking or eating out in the street or in a public area and, smiling, say 'aloi mai?'. You need to have a feel for when the situation is appropriate, but I find that nine times out of ten they share their meal with me! Very sweet.
300 Bt bareback boinks, and scrounging for free food on the street from locals who probably don't earn much more than 20,000 Bt per month.
I am dumbfounded.
Every 300 B "O" saves, is another poor Thai girl he can intentionally infect with HIV.
Plus, he needs to save his cash to pay for the meds that are keeping HIM alive.
One clever trick for being fed by strangers for free almost anywhere outside the farang-weary tourist areas is to walk up to Thais who are cooking or eating out in the street or in a public area and, smiling, say 'aloi mai?'. You need to have a feel for when the situation is appropriate, but I find that nine times out of ten they share their meal with me! Very sweet.Ayi yi. So the farang gets the socially polite response and chows down the food just to save a baht. Then, when sated gives a 'kob kun mag, krap' and trundles off, thus reinforcing the stereotype of the cheap charlie expat.
Jeezuz are you pals with Nok Tang?
Right. Smoke another bowl
Why wouldn't they go dutch, Larry? Thailand has a middle class in case you didn't notice. Also I date women of around 30 years of age, so they're past their expiry date for Thai men.
300 Bt bareback boinks, and scrounging for free food on the street from locals who probably don't earn much more than 20,000 Bt per month.
I am dumbfounded.
Actually a lot of farangs I know don't make much more than 20,000 baht per month, 1ball (30-35 is typical). The Thais who have been kind enough to feed me probably make 10,000 or less.
Actually a lot of farangs I know don't make much more than 20,000 baht per month, 1ball (30-35 is typical). The Thais who have been kind enough to feed me probably make 10,000 or less.
You mean to tell me you know white guys who make less than 600$ per month?
My 2 week end mexican gardeners make 800$ month each from me. What kind of people do you hang with Opebo?
It just amazes me you would, sorry, I must use the term BEG, for lack of a better word, for food, from someone who makes so little. Do you have no pride?
My 2 week end mexican gardeners make 800$ month each from me.
Wow!!! ... $1,600/mo. for gardners? Do you own and live on a freeking golf course? How much do you shell out for maid service? A guy like me could live like a prince in Pattaya on that kind of dough, and I don't consider myself poor. Oh, well ... I suppose Donald Trump pays more for his gardners than you, so you must not be too far out of line.
Wow!!! ... $1,600/mo. for gardners? Do you own and live on a freeking golf course? How much do you shell out for maid service? A guy like me could live like a prince in Pattaya on that kind of dough, and I don't consider myself poor. Oh, well ... I suppose Donald Trump pays more for his gardners than you, so you must not be too far out of line.
I am talking in the USA Daddy. Think about it.
10$ / hour. 10 hours / day. 2 days / week.
800$ / month. X 2 guys = 1600$
now in Indonesia, where I also have a house, I pay my maid 60$ per month. She works 3 hours / day, 5 days / week.
But still, going after what is at the bottom of someone's bowl on the street is lower than low. I have now heard it all !
... But still, going after what is at the bottom of someone's bowl on the street is lower than low. I have now heard it all !
That's one way to look at it.
If you've got it, like 1Ball -- flaunt it, but if you don't, like Opebo -- beg.
There are more ways than one to live large in the LOS.
That's one way to look at it.
If you've got it, like 1Ball -- flaunt it, but if you don't, like Opebo -- beg.
There are more ways than one to live large in the LOS.
My apologies, Daddy, this was not meant to come accross as flaunting.Just making a point.
At least, I stay in cheap shitholes when in BKK. I mean, how much lower can you go, than Livingstone's?
just joking G. ;)
Pastoralist
06-16-07, 05:19
After getting settled into my hotel, I went to Soi 6 and strolled through the throngs of girls calling out “Hello” and “Handsome Man”. I quickly found a super-cutie, invited her into bar for a drink, and after a few minutes ventured upstairs with her. (380bht on the drinks and barfine, 500bht for her.)
After dinner, I went to Soi 2 to check out the bar complex. More throngs of girls were waiting alone, all hoping to attract my attention – a perk of low season – and I ended up spending significant time in two bars:
1) Met a great looking girl – played pool and drank tequila with her and her bar friends for two hours – then I asked if she would go home with me. She said no, instead asking me to take her tomorrow! (1,450bht bar tab wasted.)
2) Two teenage girls then tackled me as I was leaving the complex, dragging me to their bar. I chatted with them, bought them drinks, played connect-four, checked their IDs, and asked them both to come home with me. (850bht to bar) When we got to my hotel they balked at a threesome. Instead, I enjoyed one while her friend was in the bathroom listening to headphones. Then I had the second under the same conditions. They made me choose one for long-time, and I had to let the other go. (550bht to short-timer, 1100bht to long-timer)
I have found Pattaya remarkably unchanged since my last visit two years ago. Some bars have closed, nearly all the faces are new, but the rules and the game seem unchanged. Of course, there is a lot more left to explore.
One problem I had was a pharmacy charged me 900bht for cheap Indian Cialis. That stuff used to go for 500bht during my last visit. If anyone knows a good supplier please let me know. Thanks!
You mean to tell me you know white guys who make less than 600$ per month?
My 2 week end mexican gardeners make 800$ month each from me. What kind of people do you hang with Opebo?
It just amazes me you would, sorry, I must use the term BEG, for lack of a better word, for food, from someone who makes so little. Do you have no pride?
Nearly all farang teachers in Thailand make around $1,000/month, 1Ball. Obviously workers may make double that in the US, but since the cost of living is at least 4 to 5 times as high, their standard of living is much less. I shall wager that your Mexican gardeners live a life of abject, hopeless misery.
As for enjoying food shared with me by friendly Thais - obviously even I can afford to pay for my dinner in Thailand. The point of the story was just to show that one need not be a 'meal ticket' to interact with Thais. And by intruding into home-cooked meals one gets to try the very best food - better even than in the wonderful small town restaurants.
Nearly all farang teachers in Thailand make around $1,000/month, 1Ball. Obviously workers may make double that in the US, but since the cost of living is at least 4 to 5 times as high, their standard of living is much less. I shall wager that your Mexican gardeners live a life of abject, hopeless misery.
As for enjoying food shared with me by friendly Thais - obviously even I can afford to pay for my dinner in Thailand. The point of the story was just to show that one need not be a 'meal ticket' to interact with Thais. And by intruding into home-cooked meals one gets to try the very best food - better even than in the wonderful small town restaurants.
Not wanting to start a war of words with you O, but you just lost your wager.
My garderners work for me on week ends only. They have a M-F job, which pays them 12$ / H / CASH. So by my estimations, they make about $3,000 /month, do not pay taxes, or social security. They show up at my house on saturday mornings driving a 2003 GMC yukon, with the spinners on the rims (not my taste, but still pricey).
Different strokes for different folks. I would never dream of intruding on someone's meal. I guess I was brought up differently.
I did have a regular TG as a GF for a couple of years, a travel agent on Silom. we used to go out with her office friends for some of the most amazing Thai food I have ever eaten. All cooked on the street, I paid for her meal, and my meal, and usually would buy a round of beers, but I was never handed the check to pay the entire tab. I would have refused, anyway.
Pastoral - try the kai-ya at the intersection of Honey Inn and Buakhao (a little to the right of the intersection across the road - they have a water machine out front. They seem reasonable. No idea of price though - I get mine in Cambo - about $8/pack Apsalis (there is a quantity discount - the 8 is to buy "one" pack and depends on pharmacy in PP - in the hinterlands or Snooky the price is a little bit more)
Folks I don't understand going incredibly "cheep charlie" - I mean khon Thai are among the nicest people I have ever met. I usually share with THEM (mostly fruit and veggies - meals if I'm with a poo-ying, of course). The part about having farang pay, though, is pretty much the norm. IF you ask someone "bai ginkao mai?" YOU ARE OFFERING TO TAKE THEM OUT. <you want go eat yes/no?> as opposed to "bai ginkao looh?" which is <are you going to go eat?> which is a question of "fact" - that ending word MAI is on offer to pay, LOOH is just asking the question. Of course, if she asks you you might hear "bai dooay" <go also> - if you say "ma" or "dai" <come> or <can> you probably just offered to pay again. Assuming I'm not doing a farang (high priced) restaurant, in general I don't CARE (prices are low enough that it DOESN'T MATTER) Heck, I even toss a baht or 2 into the cripples cups sometimes (particularly the 'tang coins). I'm not rich, but I "spill enough" to pay for what many Thai LIVE ON. The only time I might do the "arroi, mai" thing is if she is cute and I'm trying to find an inroad to do a little "field plowing" <old Thai saying - "the only field the poo-ying plows is between her legs"> and sow some wild oats (rice, whatever)
I LOVE IT THERE - too bad I won't be able to go back for almost SIX MONTHS
thanks for all the suggestions for soi 13 hotels guys. this board has tremendous sources of great information. right now we are leaning toward ma maison with sandy springs or white house as back-ups incase of bad accomodations. has anyone stayed at ma maison and used the wireless internet? curious as to speed and quality. i work while on vacation and a good internet connection is a must.
Pastoralist
06-17-07, 04:29
I had mixed luck in the beer bars last night. I met another beautiful teenager in a beer bar complex south of Soi 6 on 2nd Road. She agreed to go with me "long-time" after I checked her ID. I paid 485bht to the bar for our drinks and fine, and we were off.
We went to Tony's (which doesn't enforce the 20+ age requirement) for dancing, we watched some kick-boxing, we had a late bite to eat, we went to my hotel room. The evening session was good, but in the morning she showered and got dressed claiming her period had started. I was skeptical, but negotiated only a bit of light massage and licking before I gave her 1000bht and sent her on her way.
How do you guys handle that situation? Clearly, with long-time there is an expectation for a second round in the morning. I would welcome advice for how I might have turned that situation around - or even better - how to conduct myself differently so the girl never tries such a ploy.
I suppose this is one more reason to stay away from long time sessions with girl you meet for the first time but did you check her to see if she was lying about her period being started? How do you know it was a ploy and she wasn't actually telling the truth? Maybe a BJ could have taken care of the morning session but if she was lying about her period and you tried to force the issue, you never know how some of these girls would react to being cornered. Just move on to the next one, there is a vast supply of girls in Pattaya and the odds are against you having the same incident being repeated by other girls on a consistent basis, have fun.
I had mixed luck in the beer bars last night. I met another beautiful teenager in a beer bar complex south of Soi 6 on 2nd Road. She agreed to go with me "long-time" after I checked her ID. I paid 485bht to the bar for our drinks and fine, and we were off.
We went to Tony's (which doesn't enforce the 20+ age requirement) for dancing, we watched some kick-boxing, we had a late bite to eat, we went to my hotel room. The evening session was good, but in the morning she showered and got dressed claiming her period had started. I was skeptical, but negotiated only a bit of light massage and licking before I gave her 1000bht and sent her on her way.
How do you guys handle that situation? Clearly, with long-time there is an expectation for a second round in the morning. I would welcome advice for how I might have turned that situation around - or even better - how to conduct myself differently so the girl never tries such a ploy.
Fast Eddie 48
06-17-07, 07:55
I had mixed luck in the beer bars last night. I met another beautiful teenager in a beer bar complex south of Soi 6 on 2nd Road. She agreed to go with me "long-time" after I checked her ID. I paid 485bht to the bar for our drinks and fine, and we were off.
We went to Tony's (which doesn't enforce the 20+ age requirement) for dancing, we watched some kick-boxing, we had a late bite to eat, we went to my hotel room. The evening session was good, but in the morning she showered and got dressed claiming her period had started. I was skeptical, but negotiated only a bit of light massage and licking before I gave her 1000bht and sent her on her way.
How do you guys handle that situation? Clearly, with long-time there is an expectation for a second round in the morning. I would welcome advice for how I might have turned that situation around - or even better - how to conduct myself differently so the girl never tries such a ploy.Pastorialist,
I think you should have a agreement up front that you want multi sessions with her never assume all nighter. If it was me I will ask her for a BBBJ or offer her a 200 bht more tip. If she agrees, then you know she is lying to you about the period. I always get 2 round or 4 round in the morning in Pattaya.
Fast eddie 48
Clearly, with long-time there is an expectation for a second round in the morning.
I would have spoken to her after she claimed that her period had started and explained to her that if she can’t deliver what was expected then she won’t be getting paid for it. Then the fee for her services equates to a ST fee of 500 baht and I would probably throw in an extra 100 Baht for her time just for goodwill.
At the end of the day she is way out in front anyway. I spoke to a hot go-go dancer recently and she told me that before coming to Pattaya she used to work in a computer factory all day for 150B. So by giving a girl 600B she is already making 4 times the average daily wage anyway.
If she complains about it (the reduction in fees paid for services rendered) then it is obvious that she is just a wingeing little scam artist anyway. She needs to accept what is fair, so you need to argue your point. My advice is to not let them get away with anything.
Also, is there anything wrong with having sex with a girl when she is having her period? I remember having sex with my girlfriend back home when she was having a full blown period. Obviously a lot of blood, but it didn’t worry me or her. She just used to claim that she was more sensitive during this time than normal.
I can’t see that in Thailand that there would be any more risk of catching HIV when a girl is having her period than when the girl is not having a period.
I had mixed luck in the beer bars last night. I met another beautiful teenager in a beer bar complex south of Soi 6 on 2nd Road. She agreed to go with me "long-time" after I checked her ID. I paid 485bht to the bar for our drinks and fine, and we were off.
We went to Tony's (which doesn't enforce the 20+ age requirement) for dancing, we watched some kick-boxing, we had a late bite to eat, we went to my hotel room. The evening session was good, but in the morning she showered and got dressed claiming her period had started. I was skeptical, but negotiated only a bit of light massage and licking before I gave her 1000bht and sent her on her way.
How do you guys handle that situation? Clearly, with long-time there is an expectation for a second round in the morning. I would welcome advice for how I might have turned that situation around - or even better - how to conduct myself differently so the girl never tries such a ploy.Hi,
Well I don’t think you should worry about this I think everyone have gone and still goes thru this type of things, just move on.
It’s the ones that don’t want to go in the morning you should worry about, or the really scary ones.
The ones that you want to keep when the morning comes :)
Now I always tell the girls what I expect from them before the price setting (in a funny way, joking)
And I always check the ST fee even if I want to go LT, just I case there sister calls 02 00 and have forgotten the key to there loom and can’t get in. ops!
Or if something else happen in the night, then I pay the ST fee to them.(less fuss that way)
If they don’t do the things in the above deal, (like morning fuck) well I don’t think it’s worth the fuss, live and learn.
I don’t think anybody can teach you exactly how you should do to pick the girls in the evening to get the perfect experience; you have to figure out your own way to do it.
But I would never ever fuck a P4P girl that have period.
Yes I have also done my girlfriends back home when they are bleeding, but that is a different thing.
I know that they didn’t have HIV.(check and clear)
I have lost count of how many times condoms have gone broken for me, and just thinking about having my Johnson inside a bleeding soi6 P4P girl in Pattaya when that happens.
Think, just a scratch from a sharp nail on the Johnson at that point.
Thank you and good bye :(
TH
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Pastoralist
06-18-07, 04:55
That was good advice. I can think back to many great bargirl relationships that were ruined once I started being lenient or overly generous. Paying 600bht would have helped by 1) confirming general expectations (if the two of us were to repeat in the future) and 2) opening talks toward a better outcome that morning than a lame massage.
Perhaps you guys can help me with a second issue I’ve encountered while trying to re-enter the Pattaya scene: What can I do about the girls not wanting to do long-time 70% of the time? I never encountered this on my last trip – when everyone seemingly wanted to go long-time with me. I figure one or all of these factor play into the new dynamic:
• I’m a bit older and less fit
• We aren’t deep enough into low season for the girls to be earnest about securing the customer in hand
• I tend to start early, hitting the bars at 8:00pm
• The scene might have changed a bit
I would welcome other’s observations on this trend, especially if I’m the only one that is encountering this while meeting new girls in Pattaya today. In dealing with it – the only factor I can personally and immediately affect is when I go out. Perhaps the girls will be more willing to consider long-time after 1:00am?
1st Point- The girl who would not go for round two happens on ocassion, as others have stated try and get her to do at least a BJ. You should never repeat, since she didn't live up to her end. In the future discuss your expectations with the girl upfront, so she knows what is expected. Overall you bound to get a few that try this, just have a back-up plan.
2nd Point- Many of the girls don't favor LT , especially early since they can usually have two or more st for the same amount of money. I always make my expectations clear to the girl upfront, if the girl leaves pay her st and go out and find another. Some of the bear bars are open well past closing and you can always find someone else. Keep in mind the girls look at it strictly from a business point of view and will act this way with others as well, just don't bf them again.
Fast Eddie 48
06-18-07, 06:48
That was good advice. I can think back to many great bargirl relationships that were ruined once I started being lenient or overly generous. Paying 600bht would have helped by 1) confirming general expectations (if the two of us were to repeat in the future) and 2) opening talks toward a better outcome that morning than a lame massage.
Perhaps you guys can help me with a second issue I’ve encountered while trying to re-enter the Pattaya scene: What can I do about the girls not wanting to do long-time 70% of the time? I never encountered this on my last trip – when everyone seemingly wanted to go long-time with me. I figure one or all of these factor play into the new dynamic:
• I’m a bit older and less fit
• We aren’t deep enough into low season for the girls to be earnest about securing the customer in hand
• I tend to start early, hitting the bars at 8:00pm
• The scene might have changed a bit
I would welcome other’s observations on this trend, especially if I’m the only one that is encountering this while meeting new girls in Pattaya today. In dealing with it – the only factor I can personally and immediately affect is when I go out. Perhaps the girls will be more willing to consider long-time after 1:00am?To Pastorlist,
I think St is better for you most girl will not go LT early in the evening they like to get barfine more than 3 time a night, even they agree to LT they will try give you story they need to early, I been going to Thailand for 15 yr thai girl tell the most lie.
In Pattaya after you have a ST early if you get horny late at night you can hit the disco as late as 2. 00am and get another ST.
Fast eddie 48
Me and my girlfriend need some help shooting a video (Handycam) in Pattaya weekend 23/6 or 24/6. All will be done in our hotel room. Anyone know some one in Pattaya that could help us? Looking for someone who is used to handle a Sony handy cam.
TT
perhaps you guys can help me with a second issue i’ve encountered while trying to re-enter the pattaya scene: what can i do about the girls not wanting to do long-time 70% of the time? i never encountered this on my last trip – when everyone seemingly wanted to go long-time with me. i figure one or all of these factor play into the new dynamic:
• i’m a bit older and less fit
• we aren’t deep enough into low season for the girls to be earnest about securing the customer in hand
• i tend to start early, hitting the bars at 8:00pm
• the scene might have changed a bit
i would welcome other’s observations on this trend, especially if i’m the only one that is encountering this while meeting new girls in pattaya today. in dealing with it – the only factor i can personally and immediately affect is when i go out. perhaps the girls will be more willing to consider long-time after 1:00am?pastoralist,
having just returned from pattaya 3 weeks ago and i was really interested to read your posts.
i too had not been for 18 months. yes it looks much the same, smells the same, but i don't feel it is the same at all.
i have never heard so many jep you too long in the previous 6 months total i have spent there as i had in the 3 weeks i was there this time.
now i could take that as an ego boost. but as i turn 50 in a few months i'm pretty sure that my cock hasn't suddenly had a growth spurt.
your long time price for performance. i always figure the first ones in the bar fine for long time. a good bbbj and at least a second fuck is due for a thousand.
i had a few ladies subtly mention (most man pay 1500 long time).
to which i mentioned the drinks for which they got a cut, the bar fine another cut, and also the 2 meals they usually get on a long time with me. and any other little things they pick up on the night.
none of them had an answer for that.
i also had a couple of times i was dragged in by hot little numbers. one was just so fuckable i couldn't resist her even though i'd promised to meet another in a different bar.
after her polishing off a couple of tequilas and me a couple of g&ts i said i pay bar we go. oh no i no go with you you take other lady. i not want other lady i drink with you. sorry i like you but can not go. ok can not pay drink.
after a discussion with mamasan about putting the cutest out front but not being willing to go, the mamasan was ok that i didn't pay.
this same girl i saw do it to at least another 5 other guys. all who were the wrong side of 30 for her.
i did end up taking an awesome older lady from that bar who i am still corresponding with now, but not sponsering.
i don't expect every lady to go with me and i don't mind buying ladies drinks who i don't take. it's something i do every night for the friends.
but if a lady drags me in sits down one on one with me and drinks a few hundred baht of booze i assume she wants to come with me.
i also did pay for her tequilas when i left with the other lady, but she was awfully quite for an hour or so.
by the way the reason she would go was because she was in love with a 25 year old english guy, whose name she had taooted on her left breast.
i was lucky enough to be in the bar on the night he walked in with a ladywell past 35 draped accross him. what a riot. the tears ran for days.
had a chat with the guy and he said we was finally sick of her bs.
and the older one was the best fuck he'd had in thailand.
pattaya i thin now same same but different.
patarse
sure wish I were in town. I'd run the camera for introductions <grin>
Me and my girlfriend need some help shooting a video (Handycam) in Pattaya weekend 23/6 or 24/6. All will be done in our hotel room. Anyone know some one in Pattaya that could help us? Looking for someone who is used to handle a Sony handy cam.
TTI live in Pattaya is this is not a joke.
Write me if you really need help.
Pastoralist
06-20-07, 05:31
Let me ask about another scenario that recently occurred, and I can remember happening on rare occasion during previous trips:
I visit a bargirl repeatedly at her bar, becoming a regular. During my early visits, my drinks cost 50bht, and lady drinks went for 80-90bht. Therefore, I could drink with my girl for hours at her bar, buy her friend a few drinks, and the tab including barfine would be ~700bht. During my later visits, my drinks cost 75bht, the lady drinks are 180bht, and sometimes drinks I never ordered are hidden in my bills when the tab is closed. Now even a brief visit to pick up that bargirl can cost me more than 1000bht.
Again, this scenario plays out very rarely - like 1 in a 40 bars I have frequented. And my general experience at bars is that I am welcomed openly and well liked. My general experience is that Thai people are very honest. So, I've always been curious how to interpret this outcome. My most likely explanation is they didn't want me to return for some reason, or decided I was a boob to be exploited. But I kind of hope there is an unknown cultural factor at work.
Anyway, I'm reaching out to ask the more experienced mongers what is going on here. I would also like any advice on how I might conduct myself differently to avoid this outcome.
The Traveler
06-20-07, 13:14
Pastoralis,
as you already pointed out, Thai people are usually very honest persons and this happens only in 1 out of 40 bars.
We are all humans and sometimes make mistakes, why not just rate it as a "human error factor" ? That's of course no excuse but an explanation.
I think it's more important how they handle your complains. If they fix it without a lot of hassle, fine. If not, tell them straight away but still friendly and polite, that you feel being cheated and won't come back. If you are a regular customer they may rethink.
The Traveler
06-20-07, 13:20
Me and my girlfriend need some help shooting a video (Handycam) in Pattaya weekend 23/6 or 24/6. All will be done in our hotel room. Anyone know some one in Pattaya that could help us? Looking for someone who is used to handle a Sony handy cam.
TT
Thai Thomas,
not really sure what kind of video you want to shoot in your room, but have a pretty nice idea about it. :) Nonetheless, wouldn't your GF be shy to have a total stranger in the room watching you ?
BTW, did you ever heard of a tripod ?
You may zoom in/out with your handycam remote, change angles etc. and cut the video on your pc.
Pastoralist
06-21-07, 08:30
let me thank everyone for their advice. i love pattaya because after learning a few basics, you are almost sure to have a fantastic time. i value your advice for helping me further increase the likelihood of great outcomes. perhaps i should throw onto this board the "basics" as i see it. feel free to flush this out further.
sex options by time of day:
before 2:00pm: the only good option for sex in the morning is to have long-timed a girl the night before.
2:00pm (bargirls): by now girls have started to gather in soi 6 and a few other beer bars around the city. most of pattaya's beer bars start to open around 5:00pm. all the pretty girls will be out and in force by 8:00pm. drink prices vary slightly at bars; barfines are 200-300bht; and girls cost 500bht for one go (short-time) or 1000bht to hang out with you all evening and give you sex at night and in morning (long-time).
4:00pm (blowjob bars): both [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s and pump station open at 3:00pm, but you'd be better off waiting until 4:00pm for the selection to improve. at the pump station you will pay ~60bht for a drink, be escorted upstairs for fine 375bht, and pay the girl 300bht for cbj or 500bht for bbbj. [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s has a substantially higher barfine, which i deal with by paying only a 200bht tip for bbbj. that way, the experience at either place costs less than 1000bht.
5:00pm (soapies): the soapie places are clustered by big c on second road. they are open all day, but the selection is extremely limited before 5:00pm. i haver been to all of them here, but favor sabai land with my visits- 1600bht is the base price. the guy that calls down the girl generally hits me up for a tip (20-50bht), and i pay the girl a tip of 200bht if she does well.
10:00pm (ago-gos): they open around 8:00pm, but generally the shows don't start much before 10:00pm. the quality of girls, price of drinks, and general experience varies remarkably in this category – especially when you consider the uniformity among the beer bars. for instance, many on this board post that you should never pay more for a go-go girl than 1000bht st, and 1500bht lt. however, at super girl and super baby i've never been able to get those prices. at living dolls the prices vary dramatically from girl to girl. and yet, plenty of other go-gos will honor those pricing guidelines.
other pearls of wisdom:
you can get generic cialis from india at any pharmacy (called something like apcilis) for 500bht sold in packets of four 20mg pills. however, they will quote random prices for it when you ask, up to 900bht. just tell them you bought the same brand down the road last time for 500bht and they will lower the price to 500bht.
keep a few 10bht coins in your pocket for the bus drivers – they will occasionally decide your are tipping them extra and drive off if you hand over a 20bht note. in general, you should keep lots of small bills because you will sometimes need to offer exact change to vendors.
you will probably discover that all the packaged trips – ko samet, tiger zoo, snorkeling, etc – are complete rip offs. however, planning anything yourself can be a big pain so you will probably find yourself using the packages more than you'd like to admit.
Right now we are leaning toward Ma Maison with Sandy Springs or White House as back-ups incase of bad accomodations.
Of the three you list here, the best is White House Condotel. Ma Maison looks more like a guesthouse while the White House feels more like a hotel. I think they are a little more expensive but you will not be disappointed. The internet all over Pattaya is iffy to say the least but while my friend was staying at the WhiteHouse in April he had no problems. All three hotels are clustered right next to each other, so I would book 1 night at Whitehouse and take a hour out to check out the other places before committing to a longer stay.
If you don't mind being a bit farther in land, I can highly recommend . . . http://www.metro-apartments-pattaya.com/apartment.php
SidTheSexist
06-21-07, 10:52
4:00pm (blowjob bars): both [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s and pump station open at 3:00pm, but you'd be better off waiting until 4:00pm for the selection to improve. at the pump station you will pay ~60bht for a drink, be escorted upstairs for fine 375bht, and pay the girl 300bht for cbj or 500bht for bbbj. [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s has a substantially higher barfine, which i deal with by paying only a 200bht tip for bbbj. that way, the experience at either place costs less than 1000bht.i always assumed [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) opened at 11am. at least thats what time it opens in bkk. and the 600bht/blow is a pretty good service seen as no tip is expected. but just to keep this post balanced, i do usually tip 100bht straight to the girl.
sid
seems the beach road is back somewhat, but the selection of girls has dramatically gone down, still, with a bit of looking around can find a decent fuck including sucking for 400 to 500 bt. be careful, there is some **** gals too, that can get you in real trouble.
Me and my girlfriend need some help shooting a video (Handycam) in Pattaya weekend 23/6 or 24/6. All will be done in our hotel room. Anyone know some one in Pattaya that could help us? Looking for someone who is used to handle a Sony handy cam.
TTPm me ok, I am in Pattaya for now.
Sasquatch73
06-23-07, 20:01
Hi,
My second report. Heaven knows where the first one is - maybe because I'm a noob, it goes thru admin.
I've been to Sabai Dee often and I've always loved the first class experience one gets there. No bargain, no hassle. 1600 for the room plus girl, expect 100 a drink, 100 a lady drink. Upstairs another 150 odd for coffee/water.
When I went there the last time, I encountered a girl called Pan (or pun), attractive, breasts like I'd never seen before and nips that were an inch long. It was my first soapy and I enjoyed it very much. I went back to her. She didn't let me kiss and pretty much did everything for me, including fake a little, while on top.
Both the times, there was some extensive KY being used. I enjoyed it to tell you the truth, especially after the sensous massage. She was excellent at the massage and had a good sense of humour.
A few months later,(a few weeks ago) when I returned to pattaya, I went back to sabai dee. I chose a girl called Ben. Pretty face, above average body. Not a stunner, but very doable.
Ben was shy. In fact she wanted to turn the lights down while undressing. Massage was inexperienced, she didn't quite have the feel. In fact I was a little annoyed. She was sweet and her english was terrific, but well, that's not what you pay for is it?
Halfway annoyed, especially because of the previous experience with Pun, my massage was over, pretty soon. And again unlike pun, there was no slow wrap around in the towel, no "here, lie here, wait for me" nothing. It was over and she was washing the wet area while I sat there, limp as a duck.
But that when life changed. She came to bed and gave me a fantastic CBJ. OK nice, joe's ready again. You want me, she asked? hmm? yes.
No KY. And she let me kiss. And kissed back. Slowly, she was GFEing me to madness. It was incredible. And the girl was ENJOYING it. (I know everyone would love to think that, but this was real)
She let me do what I wanted, every position, deep kissing with tongue (surprising, as I was TOLD, it wasn't allowed), And she came. Like really. Wow.
She was so good that I'd go back and skip the soapy. yes, at a soapy place lol.
Best sex I ever had in pattaya. She was soft and smelled incredible. And deserved the 500 tip.
Thanks for reading.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Google search turned this up.
Hotel name J. P. Villa
Address 185/33 Moo.6 Pattaya-Naklua Road
Tel. +66 38 727470-5,727746-9
Fax. +66 38 727475
Room No. 60
Room Rate 700-700 Thai Baht
The J&P COURT on Soi Lengki: JP_court@hotmail.com, Tel.(66) 038 414 808
I think this is the place you want. It is frequently booked-up, even in low season. next door is NEW NIKOM COURT, good rooms around B500, no pool but you can use the pool at J&P for B50 a day
e-mail: nikomcourt@yahoo.com tel: 038 488 600
Fish N Chips
06-24-07, 11:16
The same thing happens here in the states in the touristy areas, and most other places you have a local foreign mix. AND please expel any notion that Thai's on a whole, especially in a touristy place are honest. Thai's are just as crafty if not more when greeeeed walks in the door.
As a matter of fact your traveling, you should be more on guard for this type of out come. This is what happens when Thai's service Farangs. They see a walking ATM and get greedy. Your girl can even be part of the mix. You should be on your toes and never over tip.
Let me ask about another scenario that recently occurred, and I can remember happening on rare occasion during previous trips:
I visit a bargirl repeatedly at her bar, becoming a regular. During my early visits, my drinks cost 50bht, and lady drinks went for 80-90bht. Therefore, I could drink with my girl for hours at her bar, buy her friend a few drinks, and the tab including barfine would be ~700bht. During my later visits, my drinks cost 75bht, the lady drinks are 180bht, and sometimes drinks I never ordered are hidden in my bills when the tab is closed. Now even a brief visit to pick up that bargirl can cost me more than 1000bht.
Again, this scenario plays out very rarely - like 1 in a 40 bars I have frequented. And my general experience at bars is that I am welcomed openly and well liked. My general experience is that Thai people are very honest. So, I've always been curious how to interpret this outcome. My most likely explanation is they didn't want me to return for some reason, or decided I was a boob to be exploited. But I kind of hope there is an unknown cultural factor at work.
Anyway, I'm reaching out to ask the more experienced mongers what is going on here. I would also like any advice on how I might conduct myself differently to avoid this outcome.
Hi guys,
Thinking of travelling to Pattaya in August. I've been doing some research and found two cheap places where to stay: Anna Jet's Guesthouse and Secret's GH. they both seem GF, but are they safe?
Also, reading online that there a lot of crime aimed at Farangs. How bad is it really?
Thanks for your advice,
Cheers
T
Taka
Pattaya is very safe. Don't let that bother you. Go and have a great time. PM me if you have specific questions.
Egg
hello gentlemen
after a great trip to angles city (see my report on that board), i arrived in bangkok for my 6th pattaya trip in 4 short years. at the airport, i put my thailand sim card into my phone and was surprised to see that not only was the number still active, but i still had minutes left. i tried to call the massage girl i had met on my last trip but her number was not working. once i got to my hotel, i email her sister to let them know i’m back in town. i’ve tried to contact her via phone and email for a few weeks now without success. this was my last try. this time, i tell her “i’m here now” instead of “i’m coming soon”. maybe that will make a difference.
as soon as i leave the hotel, i go to rent a motor-bike. these have become an invaluable tool for me. i head out looking for the teen massage. i’ve read about the ball massages here and wanted to try it. it was a little hard to find but i arrive after only a few minutes. i scouted out a girl on their website and luckily, she was there. i chose the single girl full body massage with ball massage option from their menu. up in the room, i grab a shower while she changes. she started with a full body massage for about 30 minutes then moved to the balls. this was my first time and i really didn’t know what to expect. well, it was kind of like a very fancy hand job. they rub your balls and stroke you once in a while. it felt great. after about 5 minutes of that, she asked if i wanted anything more. on the menu were hj, bj and fs. i was horny so i opted for the fs. it was only ok. in hind sight, i should have requested the hj because she was already kind of doing one and it felt great. it would have been awesome to finish this way. i highly recommend getting one of these if you’ve never had one.
that night, i decided to try and look for my massage girl. her previous job site was turned into a shoe store (she told me this a few months ago), but i figured she would still be close. i looked into a few foot massage places before deciding to get one. my search ended with this shop. i hit ws after the massage to check out the action. it was mostly the same as my last trip. i ended up at angelwitch and had a tough time leaving. the shows here are very cool. better than anything i’ve seen in pattaya before. i kept telling myself i would leave after the current act but as soon as it would end, i would wonder what was coming next so i stayed until i saw the entire rotation. i ended up going to my favorite beer bar and playing pool that night. after being in ac for a week and teen massage earlier that day, i just didn’t feel like another session.
the next day, i got a text message from my massage girl. it turned out she works at the massage place directly across the street from the one i was at last night. if i had just looked across the street, i would have found her. i call her and she tells me she is going to the movies with her friends. she asked me if i would like to join them. of course i would. we saw the shooter. it was a pretty good movie. during the movie she wouldn’t let me hold her hand. i think it was because her friends were in there with us. because later in my room, she let me do a lot more than hold her hand.
for the next few days, i would just look for daytime action so i can recharge and hang out with the massage girl at night. i tried the hell club, [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)’s and another bj bar on soi 6. this was my first pattaya trip where i did not get a girl from a gogo. my routine consisted of daytime action, then playing pool at my favorite beer bar while the massage girl was working. then i would pick her up from work and spend the night with her. i was pretty much in heaven. i love vacations like this. no stress, no schedules and no plans. i was able to get a physical exam at pattaya bangkok hospital one day. the prices are cheap compared to us prices. i got a full physical with blood test, chest x-ray and abdominal ultrasound for about $200 usd. not a bad deal.
on my last night, the massage girl couldn’t come over for some work reason. she actually told me to go get a girl so i could get laid. at first, i thought she was testing me. but she insisted she was not joking and i can get a girl if i wanted. well, i’ve been playing pool with this girl at the beer bar for about a week now and she keeps asking me why i don’t bf her. so i did on this night. she was excited and so was i. this made for a great session. i only st her because i had to pack. after she left, my cell phone rings and it is the massage girl! she asks if i had a girl tonight. i lie and said no. then she says her friends saw me walking with a girl. shit! how small is this town? she then says her work obligations have changed and she can come and stay with me. but i have to tell her the truth. i figures since she already knew the truth, there was no point in hiding it. to my surprise, she is not mad. instead, she offers to help me pack and stays with me. this was the perfect way to end this trip. with a girl in my arms whom i’ve missed and dreamed about since my last trip 6 months ago.
the next morning, i take her back to her apartment and say good bye. it was very tough to do but i’m not exactly new at this. last time, i promised her i would see her again and i kept that promise. this time, i made no such promise because i just don’t know if i’m coming back anytime soon. i think i’ve been mongering a little too much lately. the line between monger fantasy and reality is beginning to blur and i’m not sure i like that. lately, i’ve been thinking about mongering more and more. to the point that i’ve even started to resist dating back home. i don’t think that is a healthy way to think. no offense to anyone on this board but while i enjoy mongering, i don’t want to make it a permanent way of life. so i planned this trip as my farewell tour (for a while). i’m thinking about taking a break from mongering for a while. however, i miss pattaya every time i leave. and when i make a list of what i miss about it, mongering is actually pretty low on the list. i miss the food, the relaxation, the prices, the people, and the beauty before i miss the mongering.
i’ve been back for about 7 weeks now. i’ve been too busy at work to work on this report. it took about 7 weeks for my life to calm down enough to write this. this is why i love these trips; my real life is non-stop work. since coming back, i’ve already bought my tickets for another pattaya-ac trip for the end of the year. this time, i think i’ll check out macau since i’ll be transferring there anyway. i’m kicking myself for not checking out the scene on my last trip. i have also bought tickets for costa rica this summer. i guess i’m not ready to quit just yet. i had originally planned this last trip as a farewell tour. but i just can’t stay away. i am fully addicted to this place. can anyone recommend a cure?
egg
ps. for those of you who read my last report, you might remember that i was subjected to a “monger special” by the customs agents at sfo. that time, i noticed they only call you over if they have a check station open. so i decided to wait till all the stations were occupied before leaving with my bags. as i was waiting, i noticed they weren’t calling anyone over. apparently, no one from this plane was going to be checked. so i just walked out without any hassle. does anyone know why they check certain flights and not others? also, does the fact that i came back via manila instead of bangkok make any difference?
Hi guys,
Thinking of travelling to Pattaya in August. I've been doing some research and found two cheap places where to stay: Anna Jet's Guesthouse and Secret's GH. they both seem GF, but are they safe?
Also, reading online that there a lot of crime aimed at Farangs. How bad is it really?
Thanks for your advice,
Cheers
T
There are a lot of rooms available in August, I'd suggest you book you first night only, then you'll be free to check places out in person the next day.
Pattaya is like any other place, it's safe until you're in the wrong place at the wrong time.
There is some petty crime so make use of your hotels lock-box or room safe, take only as much money as you need when you go out.
Gold neck chains are a favorite target and some of the lady-boys on Walking Street are pretty adept at spotting genuine high end watches. Lady-boys do seem to be involved in a disproportionate amount of the crime in Pattaya so take that into account if you're tempted to have any dealings with them.
The person most likely to run into trouble is the one who gets drunk and goes wandering about alone
Going for a walk on the beach after 11pm is not a great idea.
Always add up your check-bin before paying, if you are buying a lot of drinks, it's a good idea to pay-up every couple of rounds.
I've been going there for almost five years and have never had problem aside from petty overcharging.
But I just can’t stay away. I am fully addicted to this place. Can anyone recommend a cure?
Egg
There is no known cure.
Member #2041
06-25-07, 17:30
Actually, Lorena Bobbitt knew of a cure, but it's really not recommended.
Egg - shouldn't have mattered - I return from BKK on my trips with a side trip to Cambodia and they haven't cared. Beats me what the selection criteria is (But I don't come in thru SFO either)
Taka - keep your wits about you, don't do anything you woldn't do at home, don't wear bling and don't insult the king. The latest targets seem to be older guys toting large amounts of money (at least those are the reports the papers show)
Another Farhang Bites the Dust!!
Pattaya, Chon Buri - A 63-year-old German man was shot dead late Sunday night police said.
Heinrich Hermann Friedrdch waas shot dead shortly after leaving a convenient store on Soi Suksomboon in Tambon Nong Palai of Chon Buri's Bang Lamung district at 11:27 pm.
He was shot four times by a pillion rider. The bullets hit his left temple, his back, his chest and left leg.
His Thai wife, Nantha Sukdee, 25, said she has been living with the German man for two years without registering their marriage.
She said the man had bought a house worth Bt5 million under the name of his former Thai wife whom she was suing for the return of the house and other assets.
Source: The Nation - 25 June 2007
Fish N Chips
06-26-07, 02:11
Your absolutely right
One of his little Vixens offed his ass, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT !!!
Rental will keep you alive on several levels.
On my last trip had a friend of a friend get executed on jomtien beach. I happen to be there when his Thai-wife came in with big-O crocodile tears a role-N. AND the first thing she could think to do is go to the bank account and transfer his money to her account. His dam body hadn't even cooled off and she was headed to the bank.
KEEP it rental boy-Z, and stay safe
Another Farhang Bites the Dust!!
Pattaya, Chon Buri - A 63-year-old German man was shot dead late Sunday night police said.
Heinrich Hermann Friedrdch waas shot dead shortly after leaving a convenient store on Soi Suksomboon in Tambon Nong Palai of Chon Buri's Bang Lamung district at 11:27 pm.
He was shot four times by a pillion rider. The bullets hit his left temple, his back, his chest and left leg.
His Thai wife, Nantha Sukdee, 25, said she has been living with the German man for two years without registering their marriage.
She said the man had bought a house worth Bt5 million under the name of his former Thai wife whom she was suing for the return of the house and other assets.
Source: The Nation - 25 June 2007
Sean_Double
06-26-07, 03:23
Your absolutely right
One of his little Vixens offed his ass, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT !!!
Rental will keep you alive on several levels.
On my last trip had a friend of a friend get executed on jomtien beach. I happen to be there when his Thai-wife came in with big-O crocodile tears a role-N. AND the first thing she could think to do is go to the bank account and transfer his money to her account. His dam body hadn't even cooled off and she was headed to the bank.
KEEP it rental boy-Z, and stay safe
Yo Fish N Chips,
I totally agree with you that he would have been better off renting.
Here's what bothers me about this though:
Why did the supposedly street smart ex German police officer sign
over the 5 million baht house to a wife that he never legally married;
then dumped, and expect to be OK? It was legally her house, wasn't it?
I don't know much about Thai law, but the "new" unregistered wife
wouldn't seem to have a leg to stand on sueing her. The first wife
should have evicted them. Killing him was probably easier.
The victim here seems to have chosen his fate;the 1st wife probably
won't get the house, and the new wife won't get anything at all.
He wasn't legally married to either and the German embassy is on
the case.
It's sad that he was killed of course, but possibly in a Darwinian context
we might all benefit in the future.
Cheers,
Sean
I think the problem was that the German guy had a 30yr lease on the property that was under the first wife's name.
The court case said the 1st wife can't do anything with the property because of the lease.
Sean_Double
06-27-07, 02:40
I think the problem was that the German guy had a 30yr lease on the property that was under the first wife's name.
The court case said the 1st wife can't do anything with the property because of the lease.\
Yo HK Dog,
Thanks, I didn't see anything about a 30 year lease in the article I read.
That explains a lot, except for the German guy's apparent inattention to his almost certain fate. He needed to bargain with the 1st wife if he wanted to keep living in Pattaya.
I totally agree; renting is better if you can't buy property thru a Thai corperation deal.
Cheers,
Sean
Hi,
I spent last week in Pattaya and didn't find it much different from previous visits. The Beach Road girls are still available at B300-500, barfines range from B200-500 and bar girls and gogo girls alike are willing to go for B500 ST or B1000 LT.
Rooms are available thoughout the price range. I paid B400 for a spendid aircon room.
It is obvious that Eastern European tourists are becoming more and more important to the local economy. Just look at the fines for streetwalking paid by Uzbeki and Kazak girls. B500 each time. Of course they are then set free to w*o*e an other day. And to pay another fine:).
Pastoralist
06-27-07, 14:24
After reading EggSalad's account of Dream Teen Massage, I set out for my own adventure. The location can be found online. I showed up without remembering the name of a girl, so was set up with the house choice. She was attractive, and claimed she was 26yrs old. I was happy with her, but your experience might be enhanced if you come with the name of a girl you liked online.
I paid 550bht for a 1.5 hour massage (Thai massage plus balls massage). I was escorted upstairs to a very clean version of a Soi 6 short-time room with shower. I get undressed and stepped into the shower, the girl immediately followed and washed me. After toweling me dry, she instructed me to lay down on the bed. The Thai massage turned out to be an oil massage of decent quality lasting 50 minutes - back to front. She then wrapped my legs around her and started the balls massage. It was also very good. She got me completely aroused, and then continued the balls massage for another five minutes before asking if I wanted something special. She offered:
Handjob: 500bht tip
Blowjob: 1000bht tip
"Everything": 1500bht tip
I balked at paying 1500bht for a package I had not yet inspected (she was still dressed), but agreed to 1000bht and enjoyed a BBBJ ending. I really enjoyed myself at Dream Teen Massage, but the expensive tips makes the whole experience more expensive than a soapie (or a two hour massage followed by a trip to Soi 6 or Soi Post Office). So, I'll only be a regular here if I get a fantastic session from my internet choice on my next visit.
Khun Larry
06-28-07, 02:46
Why wouldn't they go dutch, Larry? Thailand has a middle class in case you didn't notice. Also I date women of around 30 years of age, so they're past their expiry date for Thai men.
Actually a lot of farangs I know don't make much more than 20,000 baht per month, 1ball (30-35 is typical). The Thais who have been kind enough to feed me probably make 10,000 or less.
Maybe I have just had bad luck with EVERY Thai I have met in ten years. You are the man Opebo.
Monkey1818
06-28-07, 06:10
Hello,
I'm going to Pattaya in Aug and was wondering if there were any "Soapy Massages" that anyone would recommand in Pattaya?
Any help would be appreciated.
NakedFunGuy36
06-29-07, 04:32
Hello everyone, This is my first attempt at a post. I will be traveling to Pattaya in about 1 week and am arriving late in Pattaya around 2 am. Staying at the Hard Rock Hotel And I am having trouble finding out how late most bars are opened till. Cause I want to hit the ground running, see if I can party all night. I've been traveling to singapore for 7 or more yrs and OT stays open till 4 or 6 am. I'm hoping the bars in Pattaya stay open as late. Can anyone confirm what most bars hours are? I've been doing alot of research on where to go and looking at any and all maps i can find but just don't know if ill have to grab some sleep the first night or not. Thanks for helping to new old guy out.
NakedFunGuy36
06-29-07, 04:47
Hello to all. I'm making my first trip to Thailand And was wondering what time the bars close in Pattaya? Can anyone help this First timer to Thailand? Thanks, I will post a pic of the women I met in Singapore that gave me a reason to travel to Thailand cause I just wanted to stay with her forever. (could only afford 3 nights) But Had so much fun with her I just have to see what I'm missing in Thailand. Thanks for any info you can pass to me. Because of my flight arrivel I will be in Pattaya around 2 am staying at the hard rock hotel.
Pastoralist
06-29-07, 08:37
I've had trouble picking up go-go girls because they always ask for ridiculously large amounts of money to go with me - so I generally decide it is better to just move on. Last night started no differently. I was in Angelwitch when a great looking girl attached herself to me and I bought her a drink. Over the encounter I felt chemistry, desire, excitement, and she got very affectionate (after I tipped her 100bht). I inquired about taking her home at 12:20am. The bar fine was 600bht, and I offered 1500bht for long-time.
She giggled, and claimed she gets 1500bht for short-time, and 3500bht for long-time! I was stunned for a moment, then tempted to blow her off and leave. (She wasn't even a showgirl!) Instead, this time I laughed back, telling her that 1500bht was a good price. I fell silent for a bit, and she kept rubbing my hand and kissing my cheek, letting me know the issue wasn't yet settled.
We started flirting again. When my drink ran out the waitress asked if I wanted another, I said no and paid my tab. She asked if I was going to barfine the girl - I said "maybe" and shrugged my shoulders. They spoke in Thai for a bit and the waitress left. I told the girl I was going - and that I'd be happy to barfine her and pay 2000bht for long-time, but no more. She started to negotiate, but I was firm - and she eventually said yes. She was extremely loving all night, seemed thrilled to get 2000bht in the morning, and asked me to please visit her again.
So, there you have it! All those outrageous asking prices I have been running away from in Pattaya go-gos were probably vacuous. Next time I'll hold firm at 1500bht. I wish this board had mentioned how this negotiation works earlier, so I could have avoided some serious mistakes.
I recommend Sabailand had great service there many times. Sabai Dee is also good but with better rooms. 1600b all in at both establishments. Opposite Big C.
Hello,
I'm going to Pattaya in Aug and was wondering if there were any "Soapy Massages" that anyone would recommand in Pattaya?
Any help would be appreciated.
Mike Frankfurt
06-29-07, 13:37
. Can anyone confirm what most bars hours are? .Normal open hours to 1 am walkingstreet until 3 am
But it is Thailand, and many bars open until last customer go, mainly in walkingstreet
If you want find a nice girl even at 6 am no problem
Take care and don't fall in love when you come first time
Fish N Chips
06-29-07, 14:44
Dear Pastoralist
I apologize, I had intended on suggesting a few different negotiating tactic, BUT was blind sided by a few other members. If you remember back they were trying to justify paying exurbanite amounts. Then we ended up getting in to a spirited argument about going rates.
Your approach was correct right from the get go! Stay firm with the under 2k going rate. You've also learned the correct way (be it was the hard way) to select your rental for the evenings entertainment. Now you know, and I hope others now know! Rule of thumb, 2k for 24hrs MAX that should, include barfine.
This was my whole point to the other "Pretty Women" wanna be players, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY over 2k for any reason! I don't care how hot you think she is, if she doesn't come down to the going rate, there will be an even better one right around the corner who will take it for half that price. He who has the gold makes the rules!!!
Chalk this up as a lesson learned the hard way, BUT you have helped many others by publishing your learning curve.
I've had trouble picking up go-go girls because they always ask for ridiculously large amounts of money to go with me - so I generally decide it is better to just move on. Last night started no differently. I was in Angelwitch when a great looking girl attached herself to me and I bought her a drink. Over the encounter I felt chemistry, desire, excitement, and she got very affectionate (after I tipped her 100bht). I inquired about taking her home at 12:20am. The bar fine was 600bht, and I offered 1500bht for long-time.
She giggled, and claimed she gets 1500bht for short-time, and 3500bht for long-time! I was stunned for a moment, then tempted to blow her off and leave. (She wasn't even a showgirl!) Instead, this time I laughed back, telling her that 1500bht was a good price. I fell silent for a bit, and she kept rubbing my hand and kissing my cheek, letting me know the issue wasn't yet settled.
We started flirting again. When my drink ran out the waitress asked if I wanted another, I said no and paid my tab. She asked if I was going to barfine the girl - I said "maybe" and shrugged my shoulders. They spoke in Thai for a bit and the waitress left. I told the girl I was going - and that I'd be happy to barfine her and pay 2000bht for long-time, but no more. She started to negotiate, but I was firm - and she eventually said yes. She was extremely loving all night, seemed thrilled to get 2000bht in the morning, and asked me to please visit her again.
So, there you have it! All those outrageous asking prices I have been running away from in Pattaya go-gos were probably vacuous. Next time I'll hold firm at 1500bht. I wish this board had mentioned how this negotiation works earlier, so I could have avoided some serious mistakes.
Member #3173
06-29-07, 15:00
Soapy is found on Second Road near Soi 11 and inside Walking Street at Soi Diamond.
I fully agree the barfine of 600b and short time and long time rates are outrageous.Better go to soapy for 1600b for the same thing.At least you get 90 minutes of pleasure and feel clean afterwords.
Hope all cheongsters cooperate for the good of all
Cinderella turns into a pumpkin (fuk tong) at the witching hour plus ONE (1am)
We close now - come back tomollow...
It's hard to party all night...
There will never be a consensus about what to pay these girls for their services. Some people will overpay, some will be labeled cheap Charlie for being frugal and others will/can pay only the going rate. You can post the going rate for all to see but this constant dialogue about getting everyone to pay the going rate is a waste of time, it won't happen.
Our finances are not all the same, some posters here have to beg/trick the Thais into giving them food and sleep in 300B a night hovels while others travel in business class, sleep in the five star hotels and order room service like some people order coffee. Do you think well-off mongers are concerned about how the going rate will affect others when they are negotiating with a boner in their pants? It’s good to know the rate and pay what you can afford but over paying or under paying if you can get away with it will do nothing to change the going rate in either direction, inflation will affect prices long before the big spenders will.
LittleBigMan
06-29-07, 23:01
NFG36,
It has been years since I stayed up in Pattaya after 2am, but I suggest you check in quickly and walk out to Beach Rd, and catch a taxi, ( pickup truck with seats in the back ) heading down to Walking Street. During your ride you should see what is open along Beach Rd, if nothing continue to Walking Street I'm sure you can find something there after 2am.
Good luck
Phantomtiger2
06-30-07, 00:56
I've had trouble picking up go-go girls because they always ask for ridiculously large amounts of money to go with me
Next time I'll hold firm at 1500bht. I wish this board had mentioned how this negotiation works earlier, so I could have avoided some serious mistakes.
Actually, the board had mentioned negotiation skills 101 several times in the past. The only problem with neg. with Go-go gals is that some will not budge on their prices until very late at nite when they realize you may be the last chance they have. Some Go-go hotties make so much from enough suckers that they are only willing to do ST and won't touch LT unless you pay their prices. Such is the current trend of the Go-go and it will only get worse in the future (years ago, this was never a problem).
PT
hi there my wife and i have been going to thailand for about fifteen years we love the pattaya scene particularily the girls, however 2 years ago we had a very bad experience, it happened at geordies bar on second road near the dusit hotel, we had been to a couple of go go bars x-ray and classroom both places we had been to numerous times and had a great time, we jumped on a tuk tuk to go back to our hotel we were staying at the dusit, on the way back we decided to stop at geordies bar for a nightcap we had been there once before. we had one drink and as the bar was empty decided to head for home, i asked for the bill and paid it, but the girl brought two drinks on the house we thought this was very kind as this was only our second visit. half way through this drink two elderly german couples joined our table and we started chatting, my wife said she had to go to the toilet i stayed at the table talking, after about ten minutes i also needed to go to the toilet which was at the back of the bar, i went and as i came out i saw my wife was not back at the table so i shouted into the ladies asking if she was ok there was no reply so i went into the ladies toilet it was empty. i came out and went back to the table no sign of my wife anywhere, the german couples asked where she was and i said i didn't know that she wasnt in the toilet the bar girls started saying she had probably gone back to the hotel as she had looked tired, but she had left her handbag on the table, bear in mind apart from staff there was only us and the german couples in this bar. i looked around but still no sign and the girls kept saying she had gone to hotel so i grabbed her handbag jumped on a tuk tuk and asked him to take me to the dusit fortunately when i got there i asked him to wait i ran up to our room, of course my wife wasnt there so i ran back to the tuk tuk and told him to take me back to the bar which he did, on arriving back at geordies bar the german couples were just leaving, obviously by this time i was a little bit more than worried it was like being in a bad movie, the bar girls came across to me and said they had seen my wife in the next door bar with a thai lady so i ran into the next door bar two of the girls came with me and fotunately even though they tried to delay me i could easily see my wife wasnt here so went straight back out again. when i got outside i looked and there was the mamasan from geordies bar trying to get my wife onto a mototaxi, i ran up an asked what was going on she said my wife had just turned up and they had been going to take her to the hotel, i was so relieved to have her back i asked her where she had been and she said she didn't know. we jumped on a tuk tuk and went back to the hotel, when we got back to the hotel i soon realised that something wasnt right with my wife and called hotel security, they came to our room i told them what had happened and they immediately called a doctor, the doctor took us both to pattaya hospital where they did various tests on both my wife and myself, it tuned out we had both been drugged i asked why it had affected my wife more than me and it came down to body weight my wife being much smaller than myself.
police were called and the bar staff were questioned it turned out the whole bar was in on the scam they drugged our first drink and had given us a free drink to keep us there until it started to work, the first sign of this drug working is you need to [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) as your body is trying to get rid of it, so when my wife had gone to the toilet one of the bar girls had followed her and had led my wife to a storage shed they had on wasteland at the back of this bar, they had kept her there until i left the bar then they had to wait until the two german couples had left fortunately just as they were leaving i turned back up, but even at this stage they still tried to get my wife away by luring me into the next door bar.
according to the police they had been doing this for months but my wife was only the second european they had done it to all the rest had been thai girls, we had to leave thailand two days later to return to uk and were assured by the police we would be kept informed of the outcome.
however since returning and making numerous phone calls including to the british embassy we have heard nothing.
we have since been back to asia several times but never back to pattaya which was a place up until this happened we both loved.
sorry this story has been so long but its just to warn you guys to be on your guard at all times this bar seemed perfectly safe.
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
The Traveler
06-30-07, 02:04
Run Mann,
in addition we must also take into account, that different guys may have different expectations. While one will already be happy by simply showing off with a cutie that he can't have back home, another one will be dissatisfied with a long lasting three hole session because he expected at least 2 or 3 of them.
The girls may also act differently, while acting like a dead fish when being with one guy, they may provide total GFE and great sex when being with another.
Therefore it's hard to quote a "correct" price for all. I rather tend to believe that as long as both parties are satisfied with a certain amount it's the right price.
The Traveler
06-30-07, 02:15
Phantomtiger2,
usually those girls increase their prices if they don't like a customer. This will either distract the guy or compensate for their disgust in having sex with him.
Of course some girls don't like any customers for their very own reasons and only see them as walking ATMs. This is a legitimate approach to the business, to make as much money as fast as they can. Nothing wrong with it as nobody is forced to take those girls. It's an open market and you are free to move on to another one.
Remember, it's all a querstion of demand and supply.
Fish N Chips
06-30-07, 02:17
Dear The Traveler, This is why TG's are trying to push the prices up.
To quote Phantomtiger2 "Years ago this wasn't an issue"
Also you fail to see that prices are naturaly on the rise with the newest exchange rates. Cripe just last year it was 41Baht to the dollar and its now 31baht to the dollar. That in it self should have pushed the Baht rate down but NO some of you mongers aren't watching this, WHY Econ-101.
Run Mann,
in addition we must also take into account, that different guys may have different expectations. While one will already be happy by simply showing off with a cutie that he can't have back home, another one will be dissatisfied with a long lasting three hole session because he expected at least 2 or 3 of them.
The girls may also act differently, while acting like a dead fish when being with one guy, they may provide total GFE and great sex when being with another.
Therefore it's hard to quote a "correct" price for all. I rather tend to believe that as long as both parties are satisfied with a certain amount it's the right price.
The Traveler
06-30-07, 02:34
Also you fail to see that prices are naturaly on the rise with the newest exchange rates. Cripe just last year it was 41Baht to the dollar and its now 31baht to the dollar. That in it self should have pushed the Baht rate down but NO some of you mongers aren't watching this, WHY Econ-101.
Fish N Chips,
sorry, but you use the wrong logic.
You may think in dollars and therefore the exchange rate matters to you but the girls think in baht and they don't care about such things.
Why should they, everything they have to pay for is priced in baht.
Not many of the goods these girls consume are affected by the exchange rate of the dollar as most of it is lodging, food and energy. A dollar is a dollar as much as a baht is a baht.
I fail to see why the exchange rate of the dollar alone should lower the prices in LOS, especially for those services the girls provide to us. A price isn't only affected by an exchange rate but also by the price of the good itself and therefore depends on demand and supply. Let's take oil for example, it's priced in dollar. The exchange rate went down from 41 to 31 (approx. 25% down) but the price in dollar went up from 20 to 70 per barrel (approx. 250% up). Guess what has the bigger impact ?
Additionally the prices did not change much over the last 20 yrs.
A ST was 300 baht at that time and is about 1000 baht now, but the equivalent exchange rate for the Euro was 14 at that time but is 46 right now. Let's not forget inflation during all those years and you will end up with unchanged or even lower prices. BTW, this also proves that "overpaying" (what ever that may be, as no other guy knows what it was worth to me) did not affect the rates over the last two decades.
Traveler,
This is exactly what I meant about a concensus on the price issue, we will never have it because we all have different views on how to spend our money. Its also un-realistic to expect the price of working girls to remain steady while every other goods/services has increased over the years.
The Traveler
06-30-07, 03:01
Run Mann,
fully agree.
Fish N Chips
06-30-07, 03:08
No No I agree with your logic!
BUT, I still don't think you should be paying over 2k for LT.
Fish N Chips,
sorry, but you use the wrong logic.
You may think in dollars and therefore the exchange rate matters to you but the girls think in baht and they don't care about such things.
Why should they, everything they have to pay for is priced in baht.
Not many of the goods these girls consume are affected by the exchange rate of the dollar as most of it is lodging, food and energy. A dollar is a dollar as much as a baht is a baht.
I fail to see why the exchange rate of the dollar alone should lower the prices in LOS, especially for those services the girls provide to us. A price isn't only affected by an exchange rate but also by the price of the good itself and therefore depends on demand and supply. Let's take oil for example, it's priced in dollar. The exchange rate went down from 41 to 31 (approx. 25% down) but the price in dollar went up from 20 to 70 per barrel (approx. 250% up). Guess what has the bigger impact ?
Additionally the prices did not change much over the last 20 yrs.
A ST was 300 baht at that time and is about 1000 baht now, but the equivalent exchange rate for the Euro was 14 at that time but is 46 right now. Let's not forget inflation during all those years and you will end up with unchanged or even lower prices. BTW, this also proves that "overpaying" (what ever that may be, as no other guy knows what it was worth to me) did not affect the rates over the last two decades.
The Traveler
06-30-07, 03:20
No No I agree with your logic!
BUT, I still don't think you should be paying over 2k for LT.
Fish N Chips,
why not ?
You don't know what I got for my money or how much it was worth to me.
Just as a side note, I usually pay around the 2k - 3k going rate but have already paid 8k for LT. Not because the girl demanded it - actually she did not talk about money at all - but simply because I believed it to be a fair price for what was delivered.
Again, a going rate should only be an orientation, but not determine your payment. Always pay for performance and any price that is being seen as fair by both parties is the correct price, no matter how much it may be.
Fish N Chips,
why not ?
You don't know what I got for my money or how much it was worth to me.
Just as a side note, I usually pay around the 2k - 3k going rate but have already paid 8k for LT. Not because the girl demanded it - actually she did not talk about money at all - but simply because I believed it to be a fair price for what was delivered.
Again, a going rate should only be an orientation, but not determine your payment. Always pay for performance and any price that is being seen as fair by both parties is the correct price, no matter how much it may be.I even pay more sometimes 100,000 to 200,000 baht short time.
Than I wake up from the nightmare and go to work in the car wash and earn 7 dollars a hour with tips.
Pastoralist
06-30-07, 07:54
Interesting discussion, but perhaps we don't need to reach a consensus about the price we pay. I'm really just hoping to learn what negotiating tactics people use in go-gos. For me, negotiating down a go-go super-hottie's asking price provides a significant economic boon. If you have useable tactics, then please share! So far, I'm hearing stay firm and show up toward the end of the night.
As an aside, two years ago the girls rarely mentioned money when I picked them up at go-gos. I would take them home, and if I there was something wrong I'd pay 1000bht short-time and send them packing. If I kept them overnight I'd pay 1600bht for a poor lover and 2000bht for a good lover. Occasionally, I'd pay 2500bht for a great performer. The girls always seemed very happy, and always asked me to see them again. I wish I still had that type of control, but my new reality is that when I mention long-time - the girls immediately tell me their fee or ask how much I'll pay. The trick then, is to bring the agreed upon fee down to a level that leaves me money for additional pursuits the next day.
Yesterday, I gave Dream Teen Massage another go. I paid 550bht for a 1.5hr Thai massage plus balls massage. The girl was 21 years old, as cute as her photo online, and speaks very little English. When we get to the room she showers and towels me, and asks me to lie down. Her massage was a hybrid Thai/oil, and rushed. On the flip I glanced at the clock. She spent only 15 minutes on my back side! She caught my glance at the clock, and slowed down her massage enough that the front was much more enjoyable. She also became a really great flirt. Once she started on the balls massage she recited the specials I heard last time: 500bht tip for HJ, 1000bht for BJ, and 1500bht for FS. I opted for a BBBJ and she got to work. Her technique was only so-so, and in less that five minutes (I swear!) she starts complaining that her jaw hurts and that I am unable to finish - she switches to a HJ. I laugh and we muddle through the remainder of the session. Even if we discount this as a poor session, I have found my visits to Dream Teen less enjoyable than the average soapie. I doubt I'll return.
The Traveler
06-30-07, 14:51
...
There culture does not operate on the idea pay more you'll get a higher quality performance. ...
Fish N Chips,
please read my previous post again and you will see that I didn't offer a higher payment in advance as an incentive for a better performance. I paid afterwards - without even been quoted a price - simply for the provided performance.
Therefore your objection totally misses the point. Additionally I think that it is wrong to argue with their culture, culture has nothing to do with it. It's always a personal decision and some girls will perform better while others won't when being offered more money.
And finally, I am not justifying any over payment (whatever that may be), I don't have to. It's my money I am spending and as already pointed out, it wasn't overpaid in my opinion as I was paying for the provided performance, which was outstanding and needed an according payment.
I just describe my opinion and behaviour regarding the "payment issue". You may like it or not, up to you.
My modus operandi is fairness. I never settle for a certain price beforehand because I don't know what I will get and because it's a total turn off for me. I hate to talk about money with the girls and so far only a handful ever asked me in over twenty years. Those who did always got the same answer, "if you are cheap to me, I will be cheap to you, but if you are generous, I will be generous too" This usually earns me a smile and ends any discussion. I understand that some girls may ask because they have been cheated before but even though I know they go with me for money, I don't like to be reminded by them.
There are many girls who will drop everything and come to me when I call them, some even refunded an already paid barfine to their customers - not because I may pay extraordinary prices but rather because they feel comfortable with me, are treated nice just as a GF and aren't forced to do anything they don't like. This is often worth far more than a bigger payment. Of course they remember that they don't have to bargain and that I pay fair prices, but usually not exceeding the going rates of 2k - 3k LT. It's the whole package they like, which encourages them to act naturally and provide good services.
P.S. I am not exercising any charity, I simply pay for the received services.
How would you feel if you would get paid the same amount for an extraordinary performance on your job as for a lousy performance ?
Would you ever do more than necessary in the future ? I guess not.
What you are advocating and teaching the girls is a simple message : "Don't do more than necessary as payment doesn't honor your efforts."
This of course does explain many of those reports in which guys complain about starfish behaviour and bad services.
I just think once you get out over the 2k mark, she had relly better be made of sun shine !!!
All my girls are made of pure sunshine :D
To Naked Fun Guy - you asked: Hello to all. I'm making my first trip to Thailand And was wondering what time the bars close in Pattaya?
My recent experience is that bar times are moving a little later. I believe the official close time is 2 AM. But, Lucifer's is open to 2:30 to 2:45. The Marine disco (floor 2) is open until 3 or so. I've been there a little past 3 AM. There is another bar behind Soi Diamond called Insomnia that is open until 5 AM.
But most of the go gos close at 2.
Going there next week - July 6.
Fish N Chips
06-30-07, 18:42
Yes yes yes The Traveler, SunShine!
Let me ask you this, on your first trip to LOS or lets say in your less experienced years you had the impression that every Thai-Women was made of sunshine?
My banter is focused to that demographic, to give them a base to work from and as they grow there wings. Then they will be much more equipped to swim with the fishes/SHARK.
I too hate to hear about guys complaining with the performance of a starfish. This board and my group will I hope educate the masses and lesson the need for CYA.
I don't know I'm just trying to help the new guys that are fresh off the boat.
Fish N Chips,
please read my previous post again and you will see that I didn't offer a higher payment in advance as an incentive for a better performance. I paid afterwards - without even been quoted a price - simply for the provided performance.
P.S. I am not exercising any charity, I simply pay for the received services.
This of course does explain many of those reports in which guys complain about starfish behaviour and bad services.
All my girls are made of pure sunshine :D
Fish N Chips
06-30-07, 22:44
When I was into the bar scene I never mixed the barfine in with the girl. The barfine is for the bar, not her. As for the girl... I only paid 1000 for a short time. I always smiled a lot and pulled the take it or leave it. I didn't negotiate, in fact when a pretty lady walked up, usually the one I smiled and flirted with while she was dancing or walking around. When she came up and did the kissy face and introductions, she would invariably ask if I want to have a girl. I always responded with maybe, but I only want short time for 1000 baht. She either said yes, or said that she cannot, word travels fast and I never left alone, unless I wanted to. I usually got the girl I liked by the way. It also helps if you're nice to them on the way home, offer to buy a drink or two from the 7-11 or stop and get yourselves a bite to eat on the way back to your room. If you make the "session" a pleasurable event for her as well as yourself, you may find yourself receiving an even better deal than you bargained for. I've had them want to stay and snuggle till morning and said that they didn't want anything more. Even if she decides to leave afterwards... enjoy the time... stretch it out and make it a good time for all. If she wants to go home at 5am, give her an extra 100 baht for a taxi and let her go. Why would you want her to stick around and listen to you snore? If you decide that you like each other, ask her if you can be with her for a while, and you won't pay nearly that much nightly. One girl that I kept for 3 weeks, and this was a couple of years ago, we arranged for 1000 baht a day... she stayed with me for 3 weeks, and at the end, she wouldn't accept the money. I had to bury 7,000 baht in her purse before she left. The key is being nice, respecting them and treating them like more than a piece of meat or piece of tail.
Long Time - No Hear
C - T
Fish N Chips,
All my girls are made of pure sunshine :D
Are you joking? Beer bar price is 500 ST. Gogos may be 1000. OK, I haven't been there for a year, but I am a member of 4 other chat forums, and the majority of guys still pay 500 ST for fairly decent looking girls. Of course if you go to Secrets bar or something, you'll get fleeced by the girls, but generally, the concensus is 500ST 1000LT.
Lover Boy #2
07-01-07, 06:31
hi there my wife and i have been going to thailand for about fifteen years we love the pattaya scene particularily the girls, however 2 years ago we had a very bad experience, it happened at geordies bar on second road near the dusit hotel, we had been to a couple of go go bars x-ray and classroom both places we had been to numerous times and had a great time, we jumped on a tuk tuk to go back to our hotel we were staying at the dusit, on the way back we decided to stop at geordies bar for a nightcap we had been there once before. we had one drink and as the bar was empty decided to head for home, i asked for the bill and paid it, but the girl brought two drinks on the house we thought this was very kind as this was only our second visit. half way through this drink two elderly german couples joined our table and we started chatting, my wife said she had to go to the toilet i stayed at the table talking, after about ten minutes i also needed to go to the toilet which was at the back of the bar, i went and as i came out i saw my wife was not back at the table so i shouted into the ladies asking if she was ok there was no reply so i went into the ladies toilet it was empty. i came out and went back to the table no sign of my wife anywhere, the german couples asked where she was and i said i didn't know that she wasnt in the toilet the bar girls started saying she had probably gone back to the hotel as she had looked tired, but she had left her handbag on the table, bear in mind apart from staff there was only us and the german couples in this bar. i looked around but still no sign and the girls kept saying she had gone to hotel so i grabbed her handbag jumped on a tuk tuk and asked him to take me to the dusit fortunately when i got there i asked him to wait i ran up to our room, of course my wife wasnt there so i ran back to the tuk tuk and told him to take me back to the bar which he did, on arriving back at geordies bar the german couples were just leaving, obviously by this time i was a little bit more than worried it was like being in a bad movie, the bar girls came across to me and said they had seen my wife in the next door bar with a thai lady so i ran into the next door bar two of the girls came with me and fotunately even though they tried to delay me i could easily see my wife wasnt here so went straight back out again. when i got outside i looked and there was the mamasan from geordies bar trying to get my wife onto a mototaxi, i ran up an asked what was going on she said my wife had just turned up and they had been going to take her to the hotel, i was so relieved to have her back i asked her where she had been and she said she didn't know. we jumped on a tuk tuk and went back to the hotel, when we got back to the hotel i soon realised that something wasnt right with my wife and called hotel security, they came to our room i told them what had happened and they immediately called a doctor, the doctor took us both to pattaya hospital where they did various tests on both my wife and myself, it tuned out we had both been drugged i asked why it had affected my wife more than me and it came down to body weight my wife being much smaller than myself.
police were called and the bar staff were questioned it turned out the whole bar was in on the scam they drugged our first drink and had given us a free drink to keep us there until it started to work, the first sign of this drug working is you need to [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) as your body is trying to get rid of it, so when my wife had gone to the toilet one of the bar girls had followed her and had led my wife to a storage shed they had on wasteland at the back of this bar, they had kept her there until i left the bar then they had to wait until the two german couples had left fortunately just as they were leaving i turned back up, but even at this stage they still tried to get my wife away by luring me into the next door bar.
according to the police they had been doing this for months but my wife was only the second european they had done it to all the rest had been thai girls, we had to leave thailand two days later to return to uk and were assured by the police we would be kept informed of the outcome.
however since returning and making numerous phone calls including to the british embassy we have heard nothing.
we have since been back to asia several times but never back to pattaya which was a place up until this happened we both loved.
sorry this story has been so long but its just to warn you guys to be on your guard at all times this bar seemed perfectly safe.
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
i see this guy posed a rather serious matter, but the conversation went on to what to pay for short time....a subject covered a thousand times and basically a waste of time. cam bodia, i don't quite understand what you are alleging. were they trying to kidnap your wife and sell her into prostitution or ransom her? you say the drugging was done to other people, another european and the rest thais. what was the result of their abduction? can you expain your post further and why you just let the ball fall after you did not get answers (as this will take more than numerous phone calls in thailand)? what did the british embassy have to say? did the police take an official report?
Pastoralist
07-01-07, 07:54
LoverBoy,
CamBodia's post wasn't ignored, it just didn't appear in the forum until about now. That is the unfortunate side-effect of him being a regular member and his posts being delayed while reviewed by an editor.
CamBodia,
Thanks for sharing your experience. I value those stories as they give me clues to watch for in case I ever find myself in a similar scenario.
Lemon Tree
07-01-07, 09:41
Gentlemen
With large interest I often read your substantial contributions about the important question: How much to pay.
Well, it is not my nature to criticize this opinion or to speak in high terms to another opinion. Everybody goes his own way and often this way dependents on the budget of your vacation savings.
So let me tell you the way I spend my vacation in the Land of Smile and what’s my way.
I am mongering now since 8 years in this beautiful country. And mainly in Pattaya and the surrounding. And meanwhile I stay there 2 times a year. Always 4 weeks.
The first year I hunted around and picked up the girls from the Bar Beers and Go Go Bars. Prize for short time and long time was negotiable and I never overprized. I always told the girls: If you do a good job, I will tip you very well. Otherwise you get the prize, we negotiated and no Baht more.
Sometimes I had good luck and found girls, who liked their job, sometimes I picked up a starfish and sex was boring as hell. Everything is possible, but you only know after the meeting, whether the girl was good or not.
Well, the girls are able to spot, whether they can expect some more money after a good job or not. That depends for example on the clothing you wear, and, very important, how you smell. Really.
It does not depend so much on, whether you are old and doesn’t look like a construction worker with a perfect muscular body. We are speaking about –Pay for Play (P4P) - and not about real love. And the girls often prefer little bit older guys, hoping, that they are weak and the short time story doesn’t last so long. This impression sometimes is delusive, because they forget that life experience is also worth a lot.
So I never go out in the evening with short trousers. Neither in month May, when it is extremely hot, nor in November/December, when the temperature for European farang is acceptable.
After that year of hunting and picking up girls for short time over the day and for long time overnight I got tired form that way of acting.
Meanwhile I read this forum and got information’s about the massage parlours in Pattaya. Sounds good, what I read there. And the main point was, that I could sit there in the soapy in front of the fish bowl and make my decision, go upstairs and after 90 minutes I knew, whether this girl was able to fulfil my expectations or not.
A word and a blow.
And of course I had some bad experiences as well as also some superb experiences. Starfish and Super Star. Everything is possible there.
From that time I decided to pick up my girls only from the soapies – and try to stay together with them long times.
My expectations:
The girl has to speak English language. Not fluent, but enough, that a small conversation is possible. That is very necessary, if you decide to stay together with one girl for 1 or 2 or 3 weeks.
I always must laugh about the couples I see, when I sit in Walking Street and keep an eye on them. Wordless conversation for an hour and more. Not, because they are fighting or have stress together. No, only because he doesn’t speak Thai and the girl only speak Thai.
That is acceptable for short time. In this 2 or 3 hours it isn’t necessary to speak a lot. You need your power and breath for the action.
I am a fan of big bobs. A good handful should be. And I don’t have small hands. And I don’t care, if they are natural or filled with silicone, if they don’t feel as if they are of stone.
What the girl can expect:
The prize for bar fine is about 8.000 Baht. The prize I pay the girl is 10.000 Baht a week. Nothing more and nothing less. And for a good girl from a soapy this prize isn’t too high. If they have two customers the evening and they make a good job, they can earn more money.
And the girls aren’t stupid. They add together, that it isn’t only the 10.000 Baht a week. It is also, that they don’t have to stay together with different farangs. It is also the food, they get.
3 times a day and more. I always wonder, how much food disappears in that little bodies.
And of course shopping. The girls know, that they get some things like perfume and clothes and and and. If they do a good job. (Otherwise their job is finished after a short time and I kick them out).
I hate shopping. So finally (after long years of experience with Thai girls, I put some money on their bank account). And when we walk around and she looks at me with such eyes “ Oh darling, I like that. Can I buy that thing?? Yes, dearest, you can. Where is your green plastic card from Kasikorn?? - I hate you.!!!
The girls always wanted to be entertained. Believe me, that is sometimes a hard job. If you stay together 3 weeks, you can’t lay the whole day on the bed and make sex. You can do that 1 or 2 or 3 days, but at that latest you should have an idea what to do else. In Pattaya I always rent a big chopper over the whole time of vacation. Not only because the girls like that. I ride a big bike since 30 years here in Europe and it is always a big pleasure for me, to rent such a big bang for less then 400 Baht a day. And it is a big fun to discover the surrounding of Pattaya. A lot of things to see. And if you have your own tour guide with you, she takes care, that nobody rips you of.
I also make always longer excursions during my time of vacation. North Thailand, Isaan, South Thailand. One week or 2 weeks. I plan that excursions and realize it with a local travel agency, for example SAL in Soi Post Office.
And I always take the girl with me. So I have my own tour guide day and night. Especially at night, when the official tour guide isn’t by our side. And the girls enjoy those trips too, because normally they haven’t a chance to travel around.
My actual situation:
Well, my first relationship with a soapy girl lasted 1 year. Then she married a Swedish guy. (I don’t support the girls when I am back home). So they go back to work – and sometimes it happens as it happened. All the best for her marriage.
The second relationship lasted 2 years. 2 good years, but finally I kicked her out, because she once tried to get some free days during our relationship. She told me, that she had to meet her family. But I found out, that she stayed together with an old good customer from Bangkok. No risk, no fun. She believed. And she cried hard, when I tackled her about the truth. “If you don’t trust me, we should finish our relationship, she said.” Well, wrong word at the wrong time. I ordered a taxi for her and gave her 1 hour to pack all her belongings together. Meanwhile we are good friends again. And when I have the rare possibility to meet her for a short time, I do that. We know each other and respect each other. And of course she has a high interest to find out, how the actual situation with my current lady is. The most amusing thing is that they know each other. And my current girl is jealous like hell, because my Ex told her all about the time we stayed together
My current lady and I stay also together since 3 years. A relationship with all ups and downs. But we are together. The only problem is that terrible jealousness. And that emotional eruptions. She always scares about, that I have my eyes on other girls. It is not helpful to tell her, that I am empty like a dry plum, because we both are like hammer magnets.
Guys, do you know that feeling? You are so powerless, because you made already sex several times. And then she touches you and this terrible little Willy is already ready for action? After being back in the reality I always need a week to relax from vacation. But I love that kind of sport.
So what’s to say more? How much to pay??
We can speak about, whether this kind of mongering is expensive or not. Actually I can say that we have sex about 4 times a day. Sometimes more, sometimes less. It always depends on the situation.
On the other side it is necessary to say, that I don’t belong to that kind of Superstars, who fuck their ladies for about 3 or 4 hours in one time. If we have good sex for half an hour, it is ok for me. At night, when we drank a little bit, it takes a little bit more time. Sometimes. Sometimes it takes no time, because we start sleeping at once.
The day starts with a little morning wake up call, continuing with some good times after lunch, when we sleep a little bit (I am old and I need my rest after lunch ), continuing the battle, before we start to prepare ourselves for going out at night – and finally, when we come home after midnight and tried my make us sleepy together.
I read about other guys, who monger at the Bar Beers and pay bar fine and for the girls 500 Baht for short time.
And I read about the guys, who always pick up their girls on Beach Road and pay about 500 Baht for short time. If you do that as often as I do it with my girl, you can add, how much they have to pay.
But it isn’t only the money that counts. It is the way, how you like to spend your vacation.
I always say: To each his own. And that is ok.
My only intention in this report was to show you up my way of mongering.
Enjoy your life, gentlemen,
We only have this one.
Lemon Tree
...last week in Pattaya... The Beach Road girls are still available...
Freeler, saying they're still available is a bit like saying there are still Jews in Europe. It rather misses the point. I've been spending some time in Pattaya and while there are a few - a very few - girls on the beach, it is no more than 10% of what it was before the crackdown. And, perhaps even more importantly, the quality is down dramatically. Remember how years ago you would occasionally see very cute gems down there? I haven't seen that much at all in a year.
On the larger question of payment - the prices are definitely on average still 500 and 1,000 for short and long time, but the key difference is that due to demographic and economic change in Thailand, there are far fewer girls entering the business, and those that do are much less attractive. Thus, you can still get a girl for 500, but the likelihood she is attractive or under 25 is less than in the past. The demise of the beach road scene exacerbates this change but is also symptomatic of the larger trend.
I must admit feeling pretty low about all this, but I suppose we should still be glad we can get laid at all - in ten years it will be like South Korea here.
Freeler, saying they're still available is a bit like saying there are still Jews in Europe. It rather misses the point. I've been spending some time in Pattaya and while there are a few - a very few - girls on the beach, it is no more than 10% of what it was before the crackdown. And, perhaps even more importantly, the quality is down dramatically. Remember how years ago you would occasionally see very cute gems down there? I haven't seen that much at all in a year.
On the larger question of payment - the prices are definitely on average still 500 and 1,000 for short and long time, but the key difference is that due to demographic and economic change in Thailand, there are far fewer girls entering the business, and those that do are much less attractive. Thus, you can still get a girl for 500, but the likelihood she is attractive or under 25 is less than in the past. The demise of the beach road scene exacerbates this change but is also symptomatic of the larger trend.
I must admit feeling pretty low about all this, but I suppose we should still be glad we can get laid at all - in ten years it will be like South Korea here.
Thai beaches suck, especially in Chon Buri. Trying to make Pattaya a high-class resort is like them trying to build luxury condos in Newark NJ. You have the beautiful view but when you walk out of your building, there you are. Phuket is pretty lame too. Thailand will never even come close to being the Industrial power house like Korea is with the Thai whimsical foreign investment laws. It is and it will always be the 90% agrarian economy with the same old loan sharks keeping the farmers in debt. The nice thing IS that the girls are still rather independant and can earn the same money as a Thai Physician on their backs, so you will always have the slappers and the punters. Moreso than ever thanks to things like ISG. Isan girls will always be there to give that fine booty up for a price. Their economy would collapse without P4P. Give the US another 20-30 years and the US will have the same style of tourism going. Check out the Village Voice to see how much p4p is in NYC. The domestic prostitutes and strippers in NYC often come from the midwest or down south, much like Thai p4p girls come from Isan. Many from SE Asia and S.America. Even the African style HIV infection rate in Thailand won't slow things down. Once a girl gets it she is going to work the bars until she starts to show symtoms, often being less stringent on condom usage. They couldn't care less how many farhang stooges get infected.
NakedFunGuy36
07-01-07, 20:04
Thanks for the advice on bar hours. As this will be my first trip to Thailand I have been reading posts nonstop to find out as much as I can before I travel. Knowledge is power. So I just wanted to say thanks to all who post here. This is not my first trip to Asia so a lot of what I have read makes since to me. I work in Singapore about 3 or 4 months out of each year and am looking for a new hunting ground. Batam Indonesia is ok but Thailand keeps calling to me so I must answer the call. If things work out for me on this trip I plan to make as many weekend trips as I can afford. I did something I never have done before, I bought an ebook called 'Why Thailand' to inform a buddy and myself. I don't regret it, for a first timer to Thailand It has a wealth of info I'm looking forward to applying in Pattaya. We will be arriving the night of the 10th thru 14th going to hit as many gogo as possible, have a drink or two at FLB, grab a couple of massages, and spend some time at the hotel pool (Hard Rock) So if anyone wants to drink a round or two just give me a shout. About the only drink I like to drink is vodka/red bull. Is this a common drink in Pattaya? Anyway Thanks again to all posting here. I will try to add my 2 cents in where I can. Happy hunting to all.
It is and it will always be the 90% agrarian economy with the same old loan sharks keeping the farmers in debt.
Sorry to be argumentative, BD, but you're out of date. Agriculture is already only a small fraction of the Thai economy:
GDP - composition by sector:
agriculture: 10%
industry: 44.9%
services: 45.2% (2006 est.)
And less than half still work in agriculture:
Labor force - by occupation:
agriculture: 49%
industry: 14%
services: 37% (2000 est.)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/th.html
Even more important than economic change is the fact that the Thai birthrate has plummeted like everywhere else in the world, to barely replacement level - thus the population is rapidly aging and the supply of new young Isaan girls is contracting every year:
Population growth rate:
0.663% (2007 est.)
However I do agree with you that the US has somewhat more P4P as its working class is impoverished due to the political situation. Of course back home no matter how cheap it gets it is still terribly dangerous due to police action.
Lastly the hiv infection rate in Thailand is very small compared to African rates, and certainly no more than in the US among the poor and racially oppressed groups.
The Traveler
07-01-07, 21:39
Let me ask you this, on your first trip to LOS or lets say in your less experienced years you had the impression that every Thai-Women was made of sunshine?
Fish N Chips,
during my first years in LOS in the early 80's the average girl's attitude was quite different from now. I also found 1 out of 100 attractive.
That of course has changed over the time, many girls are now looking for a big wallet rather than a boyfriend or potential husband and getting used to their looks I rate only 1 out of 1000 as being attractive to me, at best.
I also find hunting for P4P girls from the scene is getting old quite fast. It may be nice from time to time but I rather prefer regulars or being in a relationship.
I largely prefer quality over quantity. A new body may be exciting but the best sex is still be had with a women who has real feelings for you and know what you like.
But to answer your question : I never had the impression that ALL Thai-women were made of sunshine, but of course all women (not only Thai) I have been with were made of it. :D
I have been in the lucky position of having lived in LOS and even when being there later on for holidays each stay lasted at least about 2-3 months. Or in other words, I had the time to choose, were never in a hurry and rather went home alone than picking the wrong girl. I am also fluent in Thai which is a great advantage, but can be a disadvantage at times. Usually I avoid girls which do not like me to speak Thai as they are either full of prejudices or have something bad in mind.
I choose my girls wisely. They have to be attractive but of course also need to have a good attitude which is far more important than looks. I look if and how they respond, how they interact with others, how they dress, what they drink, if they smoke (cigarettes :)) and finally how they speak and what they say. A lively "monkey" can be fun at times but I rather prefer the calm and somewhat shy ones that still represent the traditional Thai style. There is a saying that goes "calm waters are deep" and I found it to be true.
Jimmy Red Cab
07-01-07, 23:24
Fish N Chips,
during my first years in LOS in the early 80's the average girl's attitude was quite different from now. I also found 1 out of 100 attractive.
That of course has changed over the time, many girls are now looking for a big wallet rather than a boyfriend or potential husband and getting used to their looks I rate only 1 out of 1000 as being attractive to me, at best.
Holy Budha, I thought I was hard to please, I get slagged off on another forum for saying only 5% of girls are attractive.
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