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Cubanut,
Your reports plus PHOTOS are always entertaining and informative. I like your taste as well. The girl in pic #1 is hot, nice & slim. #5 is great also (I wish you had a frontal view that you can post of her breasts) In your retro photo could you ID who Jasmine & her sister are? How much do they charge? Do they do dupla? Banging two sisters together, what a fantasy!
Almotu
Snowbird,
I get asked alot about the clothing issue. All I can say is that in Medellin you will only stick out like a sore thumb if you go around wearing shorts, tank tops or sandals. You will definately be pegged as a gringo if you wear the combination of those three.
Besides that there is no real dress code in any of the places in Medellin I have been to. The atmosphere is casual in most places. So if you like jeans or slacks or hard heel shoes or sneeakers, all are welcome.
Ticasonar,
For my everyday take along camera, I prefer the Casio line of Exilim compact cameras. I took many of the casa shots on this trip with the S500 which is a 5 megapixal. I have used the S100 3 megapixel as well in the past. For the "MODA" shots I used the Nikon D50 Digital SLR.
Digits,
Miel & Cannela is the only place I know in Medellin where you can almost always get BBBJ and now anal by mosta any of the girls in the house.
Jak,
Thanks for the correction, I believe I paid the $55,000 COP but it included a drink I had ordered . However, it used to be $45,000 COP just a few months ago but what is $5,000 COP to a monger anyway?
Almotu,
In the Retro Pic the girl in white on the left is Yurley and her sister Jasmine is the other one in white. As far as a frontal of chica #5, here is the closest of a full frontal breast shot I took (Pic Frontal).
Cheers Gents,
Cubanut
That's a gorgeous shot! Very nice & firm looking, natural (?) tits. She was from Miel & Candela?
The sisters Yurley & Jasmine look hot. Do you have a current photo so that we can compare & contrast (hee hee)?
Thanks again, hope to be in MDE, early October for 12 days. Good time to be there?
Almotu
Ticasonar
I used a Casio Exilim Z50 5.0 mp that took vids with a 1.0gb sd card and it worked great & I had plenty of room for photos & short videos. I had just bought it when I left for Medellin so I wasn't to familliar with all the settings. I didn't have time to read up on them but it worked great and I got fanstatic Pics & some erotic vids.
Snowbird
I wore cargo pants (black) or jeans (blue & black) every where. The cargo pants were great because of all the pockets. I would recomend ones where the pockets zip, snap or velcro close. I had room for my wallet, camera & cell phone in the front lower pockets which I fastened close. Then I put some money in the regular front pocket. I did not have to take my wallet out to pay for stuff (you never know who may be watching). Since they fastened close I felt every thing was secure no matter how drunk I got. I also mostly wore nice polo or t-shirts or simple button ones for dressier places. Most places t-shirts will do (not white). For shoes I wore my dark blue Vans or regular adidas everywhere.
Surfer
Here are just a few of the many web sites backing up your report on the Hiv/aids gel & refuting Berrys.
http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=4817687&nav=CcXS
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-04-23-aids-gel_x.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12454651/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/23/AR2006042300960.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=1881262
http://www.genderandaids.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=705
http://www.healthdiaries.com/news/infectiousdisease/archives/hivaids/
http://www.aegis.com/factshts/NIAID/1997/niaid97_fact_sheet_topmicro.html
http://www.genderandaids.org/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=705
I went to the International Aids Conference web site and even looked up Dr Mark Wainberg and could not find anywhere where he was quoted in saying what Berry is aledging.
No matter what you wear, you will stand out. Any Colombian can spot a Gringo from 3 blocks away. I like short and sandals and normally wear them with a nice shirt.
If you go to any government office, wear shoes and long pants. They may not let you in otherwise.
Scooby and Cubanut,
Both you guys have a casio. I've heard the smaller cameras are hard to grip/fingers over lens. Is this a ridiculous concern? Cubanut, your Nikon is a big camera, how do you carry that around town?
Erotic vids...Scooby, did you get to do any video action with the p4p paisas? How long a movie does it let you do? How much filming before you need extra memory card(s)? Can you buy the cards in Colombia? Are they more or less expensive than in the states?
Thanks for the info guys,
Ticasonar
Scooby and Cubanut,
Both you guys have a casio. I've heard the smaller cameras are hard to grip/fingers over lens. Is this a ridiculous concern?
Erotic vids...Scooby, did you get to do any video action with the p4p paisas? How long a movie does it let you do? How much filming before you need extra memory card(s)? Can you buy the cards in Colombia? Are they more or less expensive than in the states?
Thanks for the info guys,
Ticasonar
Ticasonar
How big of fingers do you have??? lol
With my Casio when you turn it on the lens pops out & I have never had that problem.
I took about 150 pics & 5-10 min videos and still had room left. I never had to look for camera card but they sell cameras there (I know cause Relapse bought one while there) so I'm sure they sell the cards. Just take 2 1gb crds with you one for the p4p action and one for the regular sites to show customs.
Relapse 1952
08-21-06, 14:38
Hey Guys,
I use a little Sony Cyber-shot 6meg with a 1g memory card. I've never posted any pictures, but it did a wonderful job!
Yes, I did have to buy a new one in Colombia. The one I had, Andrea, riding up the lift off of the Metro sat on it, broke the back screen. I was pleased that I found the same camera in Colombia for only $60. more than Walmart here in the states.
No matter what you wear, you will stand out. Any Colombian can spot a Gringo from 3 blocks away. I like short and sandals and normally wear them with a nice shirt.
If you go to any government office, wear shoes and long pants. They may not let you in otherwise.
No wonder they can spot you 3 blocks away. Sounds like a typical "gringo uniform" Wear long pants everywhere and you blend in much more.
BeersTerry
08-22-06, 18:35
while poopy would love to help anyone prove me wrong. the press releases all stem from the aids conference in south africa, a country that does not even officially recognize the aids problem.
even the official spokeswoman indicated that.... if if if, .....the earliest anticipated date the gels might be available is 2010. that is if the early stage trials are successful, if governments fast tracked approval process......
i'm still not the one full of nor covered with mierda.
The Corn Hole
08-22-06, 18:45
It will take many more years before working girls will let you bareback her using this gel. At a preliminary glance, this gel is not birth control is it? So you can still get the chica pregnant when using this gel?
We'll just have to patiently wait for the results.
It's been my experience mongering in S. America that many WG's aren't that educated about the spread of STD's. I have never been to Colombia but I'm assuming Columbian girls are no different than Brazilian girls or Argentine girls in this regard. I've lost count how many girls were willing to go bare with me based on the false assumption that because I am young and appeared to be healthy that meant I am less likely to carry a disease as opossed to someone 45 and over. This is of course preposterous but nonetheless many think that way. I have found this to be a common ploy that Brasileiras will use in order to fool the gringo into thinking he has found a real genuine gf instead of a hardened, seasoned pro. But I have no doubt they are offering bb to everyone not just me.
I also fully agree with Surfer. Microbicides will eventually make condoms obsolete. If you think about it the primary use for condoms is to prevent Aids transmission.
They are not useful in Herpes prevention because the virus is not carried in the semen.
You have the pill and spermicidal lube to prevent pregnancies.
There is a vaccine for Hep B. and all other STD's can be cleared up with antibiotics. So if the microbicides are proven to prevent HIV and can actually prevent Herpes infection better than condoms can I don't see a big demand for them in the future.
Short latex and sheep intestines! Buy microsoft and berkshire hathaway!Thank me in 10 years...Ja ja
cornhole: you are wise beyond your years (don't know how old you are except for the 45 comment-whew, got 1 more year till i hit that over the hill group lol!) . seriously, it often seems guys let their egos get in the way so when some hooker offers them bb they think it is their charm or good looks and that she does not do it for others. obviously there are cases where you bond with a pro who rarely goes bb but will with you, but imho those are the exception to the rule. in fact, one of my rules is that if the chica does not vigorously protest the idea of bb, i won't do bbfs (unless i see open cold sores i lack the discipline to refuse bbbj-plus i cannot get off on cbj alone).
to attempt to educate the uneducateable, south africa is ground zero for research because it has the most severe problem. if you researched the issue first, instead of shooting off your mouth in blissfull ignorance, you would know that the highest level of hiv+ people is in southern africa (botswana and zimbabwe have slightly higher rates than south africa, but neither has the developed research facilities of south africa nor the wealth or political clout). also mr. ignorance, south african president thabo mbeki has never denied aids was a problem in his country (he denied that hiv caused aids and made other astoundingly ignorant statements like aids was a western colonial plot etc etc etc).
and i always thought the canadian educational system was superior to ours;
shaking head emoticon.
finally, your insistence on always calling scooby "poopy" indicates that your emotional development was halted in the teen age years. isn't it about time for you to grow up and quit calling others childish names? you don't see clemson doing that do you?
ps: i sent ct a pm apologizing for suggesting you were the "business partner" he referred to on the board.
The Corn Hole
08-22-06, 21:10
Surfer, I can't comment on the Columbian scene but the guys who go to Brazil and develop big egos I can't blame one bit. Brazilian pros are exceptional actresses and guys can get fooled by them easily. I've been to Brazil, Argentina and Philippines and can say Brazilian women got GFE down to a science and are better at faking it than say a filipina would be. If a filipina girl likes you it will come out in her performance and if she doesn't it will come out just the same (They can't lie to save their own lives). But that's not true with the Brazilian pros. They can turn it on and off like a light switch and can act the part with greater ease it seems.
President Mbeki,
Call me crazy but I don't think Mbeki is the crackpot everyone thinks he is. I think he understands the situation in his country better than any Westerner possibly can. He knows Aids is real and kills but he also knows that MANY other diseases are prevelant in Africa and probably kill ten times more than Aids. He is trying to get the west to deal with the real crisis in Africa which is POVERTY not HIV/Aids. There are many misdiagnosis of this disease and if you have something else like Malaria or TB you can test positive for HIV because the same antibodies are produced. Mbeki believes that poverty and poor nutrition are directly linked to Aids and there are many scientists who concur with him.
I saw that Aids conference in Montreal with Bill Gates and Bill Clinton and thought it was disdainful the way Clinton was sort of downplaying the link between nutrition and HIV prevention and seemed to want to keep poverty and living in a poor environment and HIV infection as two seperate issues. They are the same.
Hi Guys :
I just made an airline res. to MDE but having hard time getting a room both in Mansion and Vip.
I will be there from Aug 31-sep 4.
My airline is holding the res. until tomorrow.
I need your help guys , Kindly recommed me a chica friendly hotel in MDE under $ 100.00 . I like the hotel to be around action area .
Looking forward to hear from you. Thanks in advance.
Player2
VipMedellin
08-22-06, 21:54
If you need an fully furnished apartment I could find you one just write me an email and let me know my email is ilcalbert@gmail.com
Albert Licht
Cornhole: We REALLY disagree about the Filipina vs. Brasilera thing. What part of the RP did you find girls who could not lie? I found the Garotas de Programma MUCH more upfront and less deceptive (though I never married a Brasilera like I did a Filipina!).
Gotta defend my boy Bill too: I disagree that the cause of poverty and AIDS is one in the same. Yes the poor have no health care to speak of, and there are some parallels, HOWEVER, poverty is endemic over a MUCH larger expense of the Globe than AIDS. Let us use Africa as an example; Mali, Mauritania, Burkina Fasso etc etc etc are MUCH poorer than Botswana, Zimbabwe etc. yet HIV+ rates are less than 10% what they are in the South. Ditto Bangladesh, much of India and Pakistan, Central Asia etc, but NONE of those areas have HIV+ rates of 10% of the level in South Africa.
I have followed the career of Thabo Mbeki, and his father who was a co founder of the ANC with Nelson Mandela, for decades. He ALWAYS struck me as a very intelligent, moderate, reasonable type of leader. Not a typical African firebrand (i.e. Mugabe) at all. So I was/am stunned by his public pronouncements on HIV that make him seem like an African Al Sharpton (a fringe lunatic). Yes his opposition to funding anti-retroviral drugs had sound reasoning BUT many of his other statements on AIDS sounded about as scientifically credible as "intelligent design/creation".
Hi Guys :
Intercont (IC) in Medellin is offering me a rate of $ 86.00 including breakfast and all taxes.
I need your advise, Is it a good offer and deal.
Is this hotel chica friendly and close to action?
I will really appreciate your reply on this. Thanks in advance.
Player2
Hi Cubanut,
I like the Mulatta girl (very cute), but there must be something
wrong with your camera as these pics have a date in 2005.
Also some other pics have other dates. I take it is a fault in
your camera and I just want to tell that.
Paulothai,
I don't know what viewer you use that would give you the date but I have not set the date on the Casio camera because I don't time stamp the pictures but I did take the pic of the Mulatta (Johana) in July 2006.
Player2,
Try the Torre Poblado which has nice rooms starting at about $45.00 usd and it is chica friendly for sure but there may fee a fee for overnight chica stays at $30,000 COP. Should be no charge for day visits though.
Gents,
My thought about HIV infection is that the only ABSOLUTE guarantee that you will not contract HIV through sex is to not to have sex. That being said I will neither condone nor condemn having unprotected sex. I do participate in unprotected sex but I take precautions before, during and after doing the deed. It also helps that I have never been on the recieving end of anal sex.
Remember that HIV is not AIDS. AIDS is the end result of HIV in the worse case scenario. It's also now being estimated by the medical community that an otherwise healthy person, that tests positive for HIV today, can be put on a proper treatment regime that will give the person a good chance of not EVER seeing a progression to AIDS at least well into an advanced age.
Cheers,
Cubanut,
Player2,
Try the Torre Poblado which has nice rooms starting at about $45.00 usd and it is chica friendly for sure but there may fee a fee for overnight chica stays at $30,000 COP. Should be no charge for day visits though.
Cubanut,
Thanks very much for your reply. I have sent an e-mail to them since they don t have phone # listed on the web site.
If this hotel charge $ 30,000 COP than it should not be in the list of chica friendly hotel IMHO.
Again thanks.
Player2.
I agree that joiner fee and chica friendly are inconsistent terms.
Mercure is a short walk to Oviedo Mall and in a very safe area. Cost was about $50. Windows are a bit small, but other than that I had no complaints. It is part of the huge international chain so booking online is easy BUT you should call the Hotel directly AFTER checking online rate to try and bargain for a better rate (preferably in Spanish).
I agree that joiner fee and chica friendly are inconsistent terms.
Mercure is a short walk to Oviedo Mall and in a very safe area. Cost was about $50. Windows are a bit small, but other than that I had no complaints. It is part of the huge international chain so booking online is easy BUT you should call the Hotel directly AFTER checking online rate to try and bargain for a better rate (preferably in Spanish).
I just checked there web site and and also called the 800 # and they are telling me that they dont have a Mercure hotel in MDE.
BTW is IC is chica friendly?????
Hi all :
I just got a responce back from plaza rosa hotel that there is no vacancy because of expocamacol fair. HMMM
What is this and does it effect mongering?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Player2
Scooby - wish I had big fingers : ( wait, that's what she said.
Player2 - "I feel your pain." -BC (for you surf) Keep us informed as to what you figure out please. It's helpful info.
Relapse - Bestbuy has like 5+ versions of 6.0mp cybershot *_*
Scooby & Cubanut - is the quality of the casio good enough that you wouldn't buy a video camera? or do you have one for the room and use the casio for travels around town? sorry to be a pest. One more. Cubanut, what do you carry your D50 around in?
Chido - Tom33 lives in CTG and seems OK with the shorts. Given that's the beach, it would seem appropriate attire. Do the locals stick with pants in high-humidity-CTG? and is the reason for not looking like a Gringo to avoid ridicule, robbery/kidnapping or higher chica fees? <--that is a totally serious question.
Thanks much for your knowledge gentlemen, TicaSonar
Player2,
$30,000 COP for an overnight guest (joiner fee) is not the same as a hotel NOT being chica friendly. The IC for example is NOT chica friendly because upon arrival to the hotel with your chica you will be ushered to the front desk and they will ask that the girl register with a valid cedula indicating her age and info AND charge an additional person fee. This will happen day or night.
Chica friendly to me is when the hotel does not require the girl to register and does not stop you to do so when you come home to the hotel. The Torre Poblado is such a hotel. They will smile as you go by with your prize for the night and not ask the girl to register but will tack on the $30,000 COP joiner fee onto your bill. However, as I mentioned before, this fee does not apply during the day should you have a visitor to your room.
A hotel does reserve the right to charge a per person fee. Why do you think places like the Mansion, Catillo and VIP are the monger's choice locations?
AddictedToWomen
08-23-06, 07:35
Hi all :
I just got a responce back from plaza rosa hotel that there is no vacancy because of expocamacol fair. HMMM
What is this and does it effect mongering?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Player2
Construction fair. http://www.expocamacol.com/
BeersTerry
08-23-06, 12:57
holy crap! surfer post information that isn't b.s. i misspoke and was corrected.
regarding poopy; while i may like toilet humour, his moniker is not due to my arrested development but rather, 'earned'.
i was gonna say more but will exercise restraint.
BeersTerry
08-23-06, 12:59
I was with a mulatta who was curious about if I liked mulattas and how dark I would go with a woman. From what the woman told me, it seems that many don't down in Medellin.
Player2,
$30,000 COP for an overnight guest (joiner fee) is not the same as a hotel NOT being chica friendly. The IC for example is NOT chica friendly because upon arrival to the hotel with your chica you will be ushered to the front desk and they will ask that the girl register with a valid cedula indicating her age and info AND charge an additional person fee. This will happen day or night.
Chica friendly to me is when the hotel does not require the girl to register and does not stop you to do so when you come home to the hotel. The Torre Poblado is such a hotel. They will smile as you go by with your prize for the night and not ask the girl to register but will tack on the $30,000 COP joiner fee onto your bill. However, as I mentioned before, this fee does not apply during the day should you have a visitor to your room.
A hotel does reserve the right to charge a per person fee. Why do you think places like the Mansion, Catillo and VIP are the monger's choice locations?
Hey Cubanut :
Thanks for your reply. I just got an e-mail frpm Torre Poblado and they are offering me 160.000 COP per night. Dont you think it is high?
Player2
Player2,
The IC for example is NOT chica friendly because upon arrival to the hotel with your chica you will be ushered to the front desk and they will ask that the girl register with a valid cedula indicating her age and info AND charge an additional person fee. This will happen day or night.
So if you even made res. for 2, will IC still charge joiner fee. How much did you pay?
perhaps another company bought out Mercure and someone else knows the new name. It is the tall concrete tower on the same street where you enter Oviedo mall (the main or upper emntrance, the Four Points is at the BOTTOM of Oviedo). Why anyone would consider staying at the IC is beyond me (ditto for Cali). Torre Poblado is nice and that rate sounds about right ($45 would be a bargain).
Those conventions mean LOTS of Colombian punters at the more popular casas (I recall when it was in town EVERY girl at Loutron being booked solid with a waiting list-so they called some girls from cheaper casas to come on up the hill to Loutron them collected more than double the rate these chicas would have commanded down in the less lofty districts.)
The Corn Hole
08-23-06, 17:53
Cornhole: We REALLY disagree about the Filipina vs. Brasilera thing. What part of the RP did you find girls who could not lie? I found the Garotas de Programma MUCH more upfront and less deceptive (though I never married a Brasilera like I did a Filipina!).
Gotta defend my boy Bill too: I disagree that the cause of poverty and AIDS is one in the same. Yes the poor have no health care to speak of, and there are some parallels, HOWEVER, poverty is endemic over a MUCH larger expense of the Globe than AIDS. Let us use Africa as an example; Mali, Mauritania, Burkina Fasso etc etc etc are MUCH poorer than Botswana, Zimbabwe etc. yet HIV+ rates are less than 10% what they are in the South. Ditto Bangladesh, much of India and Pakistan, Central Asia etc, but NONE of those areas have HIV+ rates of 10% of the level in South Africa.
I have followed the career of Thabo Mbeki, and his father who was a co founder of the ANC with Nelson Mandela, for decades. He ALWAYS struck me as a very intelligent, moderate, reasonable type of leader. Not a typical African firebrand (i.e. Mugabe) at all. So I was/am stunned by his public pronouncements on HIV that make him seem like an African Al Sharpton (a fringe lunatic). Yes his opposition to funding anti-retroviral drugs had sound reasoning BUT many of his other statements on AIDS sounded about as scientifically credible as "intelligent design/creation".
Your perception of the Gdp's and filipinas is dead on and emphasizes my point clearly. I am certainly not saying one is more deceptive than the other but pointing out that the gdps are better at projecting false emotions than filipinas are. You said filipinas are more deceptive than Brasileiras but I don't agree. It's just that it's easier to pick up on it with them than gdps. They both have the same rolls but the Brasileira is playing it better in my opinion. I was in Angeles (a place I cannot recommend as a viable mongering destination) and noticed it with the girls right of the bat. One I picked up on Santos St and thought she was quite young. Back in the hotel I asked her how old she was and she said 18. But I could tell by the way she responded that she was lying (I went ahead and fucked her anyway) and that is just one example. They are [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor actresses compared to Brasileiras and it's easier to see through their act.
Or maybe I'm wrong and the the gdps I met really dug me and thought I was a stud:confused:
As far as the Aids and Africa argument goes. That might be a little off subject but I will say those HIV sats are dubious at best. The record keeping and actual testing in South Africa is not at all meticulous and there are serious questions about how they got those numbers that cannot be answered. SA has the lowest percentage of stats for the cause of death than any other country in the world. Even if those numbers are exact a closer look will find that most of this epidemic is confined to the poor and malnurished and has not impacted the rich of South A. in the same way. Mbeki says he does not know any wealthy people who have this virus or have died of Aids.
It is also impossible to determine if all these people that are dying in Africa are really dying of Aids or if it's a host of other diseases that the continent is rife with that are killing them off. Often the victims of Malaria,TB, amenia,parasitic infection all of which are brought on by unsanitary living conditions and poor nutrition and unsafe drinking water. But they should not fret because WHO and the Gates foundation are charging to the rescue and distributing anti viral drugs and condoms to solve this epidemic. Never mind that these people often have no food and a contaminated water supply. They will be taking drugs and having safe sex and that should lower the death rate and increase their lifespan.
Hi MDE experts :
When I was seraching to make res. I called in many hotels and most of them were sold out.
I need your expert advice here, I am coming to MDE from far ways and I really want to enjoy the p4p because this is the only reason I am coming to MDE. Will this construction expo ruin p4p? Should I consider coming next weekend?
I will really appreciate your replies.
Player2
Those conventions mean LOTS of Colombian punters at the more popular casas (I recall when it was in town EVERY girl at Loutron being booked solid with a waiting list-so they called some girls from cheaper casas to come on up the hill to Loutron them collected more than double the rate these chicas would have commanded down in the less lofty districts.) gdmfsob :(
Does this convention mean one should look to CTG/CLO/BOG during this time period for a better Colombian experience?
I think I'll give Berry a nickname since he just keeps trying to bait me with his idiodic retoric. How bout shit-4-brains I believe he has doubly earned that one.
Chido - Tom33 lives in CTG and seems OK with the shorts. Given that's the beach, it would seem appropriate attire. Do the locals stick with pants in high-humidity-CTG? and is the reason for not looking like a Gringo to avoid ridicule, robbery/kidnapping or higher chica fees? <--that is a totally serious question.
Thanks much for your knowledge gentlemen, TicaSonar
This was in the MDE thread, so it appears that his comment applied to MDE as did my response. In CTG, shorts are acceptable obviously in the beach areas of Laguito and Bocagrande during the day. I put on pants if I go to El Centro even during the day (linen recommended as it is fashionable and cool to wear and widely avaialable for sale in CTG). At night long pants everywhere in CTG.
Construction fair. http://www.expocamacol.com/
I have postponed my trip because of this expo. Every hotel I called was fully booked so I dont think so that p4p is going to be good during long week end(USA)
BTW I did get a res. even though I postponed my trip.
Player2
This was in the MDE thread, so it appears that his comment applied to MDE as did my response. In CTG, shorts are acceptable obviously in the beach areas of Laguito and Bocagrande during the day. I put on pants if I go to El Centro even during the day (linen recommended as it is fashionable and cool to wear and widely avaialable for sale in CTG). At night long pants everywhere in CTG.
The only time I wear long pants in CTG is to visit DAS. I rarely wear long pants in MDE. The point is that you will not blend in no matter what you wear. I really don't care what is fashionable. I dress for my comfort.
I was in Med. during the Feria de Las Flores, had a great time. I was by myself, women everywhere ( parque lleras, malls, casas ), it was fun. Typically, I avoid crowds and large events, I just like it that way.
Reading the forum, I now understand that there is an expo going on, many visitors in town for this event. I am about to book a flight and make reservations for Sept. 27 to Oct. 2nd to Med. Anyone know if there is anything special going on, or maybe some sort of religious holiday that might screw up my stay in Med. during this time? Thanks
NO high class Colombiano wears shorts even in CTG even if it is 99 degrees and 99% humidity, it simply is not done (you look like a campesino). This is true in MANY tropical countries.
I agree with Tom about MUCH preferring clothing that is suitable for the weather, but girls DEFINITELY look down on you for wearing shorts ANYWHERE in Colombia IMHO. I remember when Brucie (of TSM) went to Cali (because I STUPIDLY wrote good things about it on TSM) and came back panning thev place saying he got no looks or eye contact. I was puzzled, until he let on that her dressed as he does in CTG (a fatal mistake IMHO).
Hookers will accept it, and even some nice girls in CTG may tolerate it, but make no mistake EVERYBODY looks down on you for doing it (even if they don't always let on). Maybe Tom kills it with the ladies DESPITE this serious faux pas, but imagine how much better he might do if he learned to blend in a bit.
And while I SOMEWHAT agree with Tom that locals can tell a foreigner in most cases, why make yourself stand out like a sore thumb? Wearing shorts or sunglasses, or speaking English are the most obvious.
Escort King
08-25-06, 01:29
NO high class Colombiano wears shorts even in CTG even if it is 99 degrees and 99% humidity, it simply is not done (you look like a campesino). This is true in MANY tropical countries.
I agree with Tom about MUCH preferring clothing that is suitable for the weather, but girls DEFINITELY look down on you for wearing shorts ANYWHERE in Colombia IMHO. I remember when Brucie (of TSM) went to Cali (because I STUPIDLY wrote good things about it on TSM) and came back panning thev place saying he got no looks or eye contact. I was puzzled, until he let on that her dressed as he does in CTG (a fatal mistake IMHO).
Hookers will accept it, and even some nice girls in CTG may tolerate it, but make no mistake EVERYBODY looks down on you for doing it (even if they don't always let on). Maybe Tom kills it with the ladies DESPITE this serious faux pas, but imagine how much better he might do if he learned to blend in a bit.
And while I SOMEWHAT agree with Tom that locals can tell a foreigner in most cases, why make yourself stand out like a sore thumb? Wearing shorts or sunglasses, or speaking English are the most obvious.
In many Latin places wearing shorts apart from the beach is what gays do... learned that 20 years ago.... so maybe it has changed
BeersTerry
08-25-06, 13:28
What does Tom care ? He lives down there and splits time between Medellin and Cartegena. He is not down there for a few weeks like you and me.
It's all part of the package ... of yourself.
You go to Colombia (or other Latin city for that matter) ... what you wear as clothing is just one part of the package.
Obviously, the package you present to these Latinas is up to you ... and if you are just looking for PFP or want to meet a nice chica also.
Your package includes ... pardon the obvious ...
Your physical appearance ... as in thin, large, tall, midget, blonde hair, blue eyes, etc.
Your personality ... is very key ... are you naturally nice, tough, funny, mean, etc.
Can you communicate ... speaking spanish ... big plus.
How do you dress ... just another factor.
From my experience, your communication skills and your personality are the major keys to these latinas.
All these other factors just add to your "attractiveness".
Of course every woman wants a nice looking man, but looks are more secondary, IMHO and experience, to a latina than a gringa.
I've seen big dudes (and I'm talking over-weight), but with nice and cool personalities with hot chicas on thier arms ... non-pro hot that is ... cause of their charm.
Bottom line, wear whatever you like. Shorts will make you look dorky in Medellin, but if that makes you feel comfortable and if you've gotta cool personality, make the chicas laugh and dance, or whatever "tools" (including $$ for PFP) ... go for it.
MiamiHeatLuver
08-25-06, 15:34
During the day, i wear shorts, a nice T and flipflops, I do get some stares, but more of a curious gringo stares and not derogatory to this date. I also feel it gives me a little edge to meet chicas because maybe they want to talk to foreigners? BUT it does place a big Bullseye on you for any illicit activity by thugs, pickpockets, kidnappers, etc etc remember that! Weigh your risk vs reward and then decide for yourself if you can afford that attention.
At least we now have a hot topic.
Yes, Colombianos look down on shorts. If it is important to you to look your best, don't wear shorts-even in CTG. I do believe that you will get more chicas if you wear long pants. But you will never blend in. Not only can Colombianos tell whether or not you are Colombian, they can tell what part of the country other Colombians are from. Usually, but not always, they need to hear you speak a few words to tell which part of the country you are from.
I pretty much always wear shorts and sandals, and I am old and fat. My Spanish is much less than fluent, and I am far from wealthy. I can manage to get a chica now and then. Of course even a blind squirrel can find a nut on occasion.
Ricker, as usual, is right on. Thank God looks are secondary.
Yes Tom I agree Ricker is always right, but his comment about looks being secondary must be considered in context: once he locks onto a chica with his piercing baby Blues, all resistance is futile and they would not notice if he were dressed in a tutu. LOL!
Those of us of more average appearance, and lacking ojos asi, must rely more on dress, deportment, charm, language skills, generosity and so on. I was not meaning to be critical of your preference for shorts, rather I was merely giving my experience. More power to you staying comfortable. Long pants are my concession to Colom,bian culture, sandals are my faux pas (and chicas DO stare at your shoes immediately after scoping out your face).
I am old and fat. My Spanish is much less than fluent, and I am far from wealthy. I can manage to get a chica now and then. Of course even a blind squirrel can find a nut on occasion.
Ricker, as usual, is right on. Thank God looks are secondary.
Tom
Hey dude did you find my picture and financial profile somewhere? That describes me to a tee. Come to think of it, it probably describes over half the members on this site, even though they won't admit it.
Scooby
Escort King
08-25-06, 18:18
Tom
Hey dude did you find my picture and financial profile somewhere? That describes me to a tee. Come to think of it, it probably describes over half the members on this site, even though they won't admit it.
Scooby
Spot on there Scooby... we are all close to the generalised view.... few really wealthy yjough obviously not that poor as to not afford to travel- all not Brad Pitt - but we are a little different - we have some adventure left and are willing to go to other places
Tom
Hey dude did you find my picture and financial profile somewhere? That describes me to a tee. Come to think of it, it probably describes over half the members on this site, even though they won't admit it.
Scooby
Ok, truth be told... My spanish sucks! I wear shorts and I am no longer a multimillionaire. That being said I got the personality/rubia pelo and baby blues! My nickname in Lima is "Fly" as in flypaper. Yep, I got it going on! (Now if I can only remember to stop getting married)!
(hint) If you want to be sucessful with the Latina's you have to use reverse psychology!
LB
Chocha Monger
08-25-06, 20:22
Charm, attractiveness, communication and all that. LOL Let's cut out the bullshit! These chicas only care about one thing... well two actually, your dolares and Yankee passport. Any fat, patsy, bald, toothless, blind, lame, geriatric or mentally retarded monger can score hot pussy in Colombia if he has at least one of the two. :D
......your dolares and Yankee passport. Any fat, patsy, bald, toothless, blind, lame, geriatric or mentally retarded monger can score hot pussy in Colombia if he has at least one of the two. :DThat's closer to my profile.
Polvo
Chocha M .... of course amigo you are correct concerning the puta and the interasadas. There are plenty of those types that will date any guy on the planet for money or visa. ......... Trust me, there are just as many that do care about the "charm", etc ..... not all Colombianas are putas, and not all gringos want only puta ..... and thats not BS ... es la verdad. Suerte!
I disagree with Chocha. IMHO even most putas would prefer to go with a guy they find attractive and who treats them nice over a guy they find repulsive. If they like you, they will be more likely to give GFE and will stay longer. And some working girls will outright refuse to go with guys they think have bad hygene etc. And the Yankee passport thing is HUGE in the Philippines, but much less important in Colombia. In fact, Many Colombianas would prefer to go to Spain over the US if given the choice.
Chocha Monger
08-26-06, 02:35
That's closer to my profile.
Polvo
Out frigging standing Polvo! Good to see an average monger standing up for the majority. If everyone were a tall handsome dandy then mongering wouldn't exist. The man who has no choice but to pay for his meat and the women willing to service him deserve recognition.
Due to the wars we have a lot of once handsome guys who barely made it out of a burning tank or convoy hit by an IED; now they're disfigured and lots of wives and girlfriends are deciding not to stick around. The hardcore pros do a good job of supplying these guys with much needed meat regardless of their disfigurement.
I hope that the B&B guys do their best to accomodate these gallant gentlemen and perhaps even extend them preferred rates on services. Ricker amigo, I don't doubt you at all but there are different classes of puteros just like there are of putas; not many can achieve the level of super putero like you have. Of course, if one is suficiente guapo and has bastante labia he can get even the poor chicas to go into their purse for him. One of the attractive qualities of the Latina is that she is weak for the convincingly spoken word. Once she thinks she is in love and constantly hears cositas bellas then you can do no wrong. Pero cuantos tienen esa destreza en el inglés mucho menos el español?
Escort King
08-26-06, 10:23
Lol... forget about Spain... seems they all want to go to Australia!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Choca M. ....
I like that classification ... Super Putero ... maybe that should be a step above Senior Member on this guide .... hahaha ... I'm going to take that as a compliment amigo! Gracias muchacho :)
I actually agree with what you say though ... definitely varying types of puta / chica seeking gringos ... puteros ... as well as widely varying abilities to shmooooz the chicas ... especialmente en el espanol ... claro.
I believe you pretty much agreed that "charm" and "skills" do matter, just that not all have them.
Cuidate ... y suerte!
I've been in Colombia for 4 months as a 50 year old retired pensionado visa holder and cedula card carrying gringo. I want to tell my perspective on the city of Medellin.
I have traveled in Colombia for about 4 years from Bogota to the Cartagena coast and the most beautiful chicas in Colombia are in Medellin. The first night back in the country I went to San Diego show, a nice place and secure as Colombia gets. The first chica was a knockout and for 70, 000. 00 pesos. It was hard to say no, given the current exchange rate for gringo bills. BBBJ and tight sex, Sandra was too much to handle without the viagra.
Next week out the bastard behind the bar who sells the rooms to the girls hit me up for 40,000.00 pesos for the room charge. Funny, the week before it was included. I paid 150,000.00 pesos for a hottie with nipples like hubcaps and thumb long, good to look at but wide on the gap, I thought maybe the beans were giving me action, but realized her pussy was gaping for air.
The short of the story is the minute you get recognized as a gringo everyone wants a piece of the action, pisses me off because if I get GFE sex I tip well, if cold only the price, so I will find a good show bar without the rip offs.
Ccan anyone give me a good massage parlor addy close to Envigado, or San Diego area? They do not put up the big signs here like in other places. Let me know. I check the forum daily.
Chipper - walk outside of Grill San Diego between 11:00 pm and 2:00 am. The whole area is loaded with street girls who will go for 40K for short time.
Ricker - I need charm and skills? I am fucked. Fortunately a chica takes pity on me now and then. Here are a few from some years back. Number 1 012 is about 4 months pregnant. So she was down with bare backing.
heya Tom .. nice fotos amigo ..... As you know already, the more charm, the less plata needed, usually. ..... I'm sure you have your own style going for you ... definitely got a good sense of humor ... taker easy.
Thanks For The Info Tom , Is It Better To Get A Cab And Ride To Las Cabanas For Short Times, Or Is There A Hotel Closer To San Diego That Is Secure And Reasonable? Thanks For The Info, J Chipper
Hi,
I sincerely appreciate your reports, but...
Would you please STOP capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!
It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.
On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!
Jackson
Australiano Greg
08-31-06, 02:46
Hey Tom,
Not up to the Mansion girls !!!!! lift your game mate !!
The Aussie.
Chipper - walk outside of Grill San Diego between 11:00 pm and 2:00 am. The whole area is loaded with street girls who will go for 40K for short time.
Ricker - I need charm and skills? I am fucked. Fortunately a chica takes pity on me now and then. Here are a few from some years back. Number 1 012 is about 4 months pregnant. So she was down with bare backing.
Chipper, I always took the street girls to my hotel. I don't know of any short-time hotels in the area, but I am sure that they are there. Check out http://www.guiacereza.com/moteles/index.php.
Greg, maybe I'll stop by and see when I'm in MDE from 12/15 to 1/15. My novia is looking for an apartment to rent for my stay in the Laureles area. CTG is too crowded during Christmas.
FoxesHunter
08-31-06, 14:09
Hi, I'd like to reach Colombia but I don't like to fuck prostitutes. I'd like to find a regular girl on some friend finder web sites. Do you know some some free web sites where I can meet some girls, please?
Can you give me the web site addresses?
thanks
Go to Special Interests Dating Agencies for info on free dating websites.
Sparkchaser69
09-01-06, 13:16
Gentlemen,
Like Ricker I have piercing ojos azules and that alone has served me VERY well in central and south america. Doesn't hurt to be in reletively good shape as well. Not so much in Colombia, but in CR more than a few times I have had girls want to go bareback so I could give them a blue eyed baby. Too bad I had the big "V" about 12 years ago.
On the dressing thing, I married a Colombiana and her definition and my definition of a T shirt is definitely different. I live in FL so you know what my T shirts look like. To her a T shirt has a collar simular to a polo shirt or golf shirt. She also frowns on shorts for anything but la playa.
buena suerte amigos, Sparky
Ccan anyone give me a good massage parlor addy close to Envigado, or San Diego area? They do not put up the big signs here like in other places. Let me know. I check the forum daily.I can't tell you the address, but Loutron is in Poblado, which is near Evigado, I think. It's fkn awesome. Very laid back atmosphere with hot chicas.
Fase Dos is a show bar/strip club around the corner from San Diego, but someone there has been spiking some of the gringo drinks this week. Sent a dude to the hospital. The manager also appears to be anti-gringo. A short little twerp looking dude who comes up to about your waist. A chica took a $20k bill after pleading cambio multiple times and then ran off. The manager didn't want to believe the ocho gringos at the table. Then after a bad performance for another dude, and a complaint to the manager, the gringo was blown off. This is over the span of a few days this week and all were different gringos. They have a great line up and cabanas next door, but the treatment our buddy received last night may force us to spend our pesos elsewhere.
SparkChaser,
As always you make me envious.
On the shorts note, I don't think I've seen a Colombiano wearing them. One chica at Publito Paisa (that may not be how you spell it) was cutting her eyes at one of us in shorts, like he was a mutant and this dude would rank high on a normal gringa list. Regular girls appear to be very fashion conscious here. That being said, P4P chicas don't care. They want your pesos.
Sparkchaser69
09-01-06, 23:07
TS,
I am glad you made it down there. Shoot me an email and fill me in bro!! I am the one that is envious : (
Sparky
Can anyone give me a good massage parlor addy close to Envigado?
Jchipper,
Loutron: (CRA. 32 # 2 Sur 47)
Open Mon. to Fri. from noon to 11pm or till 9pm on Sat.
Best looks, attitude, service, and rooms in Medellin but YMMV.
Usually about 7-15 girls to choose from.
Full Service massages are $140,000 for an hour.
phone 311-1179
Ticasonar,
I think at least one of the many problems at Fase Dos is that the real HOT girls do their strip dances then go around collecting big bucks from the customers. I watched a big titted babe do one dance and afterwards went around the place collecting. By the time she got to my table she had wads of $5,000 $10,000 $20,000 & even a couple of $50,000 bills separated between her fingers. I still only gave her $2,000 and she never even said thanks. She was asked to come back to a couple of tables and she declined instead opting to go and hang out and bullshit with her girl friends at one table to await her rotation as they waited for theirs.
What I think is that the girls make much more dancing than fucking because they keep everything they collect and do not share the take with the house. On the flip side the owner is still making a good buck on the drinks so why should he care if the girls are fucking or not.
One bit of good news is that a friend of mine is in the works of securing a location about a mile from Fase as it's main competitor and intends on making sure the clients are well treated and prices remain reasonable for entry, drinks and the extras. He's pulling all the right strings and making the right "contributions" to make it happen soon.
Just like anything else, competition is good and I look forward to seeing the girls and the owner at Fase make an about face when they start losing client.
Cheers,
Cubanut
Muchas Gracias on the reply Cubanut. The fase dose report was right on, and applies to San Diego show as well. at San Diego show when you see a chica you want you have to walk over to the bar which is at the rear of the showroom in front of all the locals and pay the barkeep the fee for the chica and the room, all the locals stare you down and you feel uncomfortable. he hits a buzzer on the door then you have to walk around to enter the hidden dirt bag rooms,,, no or little lighting in the rooms but the bathroom was clean. the chicas are pretty there but I am tired of the ripoff games they play, first trip ,the beer was 5,000 pesos, then the last 2 times I went solo with out my language partner, the beer was 10,000 pesos each and fuc the chicas were more after eachother than the clients, let me know youre friends progress, i am looking for a new place to hang meat. any recomends on other clubs , i found the medellin cheat list but some are out of business or in bad part of town,,, any info appreciated.
What I think is that the girls make much more dancing than fucking because they keep everything they collect and do not share the take with the house. On the flip side the owner is still making a good buck on the drinks so why should he care if the girls are fucking or not.That was my impression as well. F2 is a bit too similar to a US club:
1. The ugly girls fuck
2. The hot ones don't if it can be avoided (wouldn't you?)
That being said, I like strippers, I can't hate on them for being ontop of their game... you can fuck any of them, just takes a bit more effort/charm. Although strip club and casa is usually synonymous in SA; F2 definitely lacks the point-and-click interface of Loutron, etc... plus F2 is huge. Maybe 100 patrons/2k COP per tip? If it causes them to miss a set, they might actually lose out by fucking.
haha, hooker-math!
But I will be back, a couple of the hot ones I want to fuck out of spite.
Just went to Abydos yesterday. 3 girls working, one was very nice looking. The charge was 73,000 pesos. Will post more updates.
Viper
Aussie Greg
09-03-06, 18:42
I guess we will just haft to start our very own Strip Club and give some very good Aussie service !!!
Aussie Greg.
I am goofball for not asking while I was there last month. I went to Loutron, and had a wonderful session with a honey called Sara, but only for an hour.
Can anyone shed some light on the cost for more than an hour with the girl as opposed to just one hour for 150 pesos. For example, do they have specials for the more time you spend with her, or if you take two at a time instead of one girl.
I will be there in Medellin in about three weeks. So I will ask this time around. But in the meantime, can anyone share that info., whether its Loutron, Energy, Blue room, Miel y Canela. Thanks, Laters!
I guess we will just haft to start our very own Strip Club and give some very good Aussie service !!!
Aussie Greg.
Better watch it, Greg. Some dumb assholes will flame you for trying to make a profit.
Aussie Greg
09-04-06, 00:42
Yes, I guess so, but thats life.
I think a club in Medellin like La Pisina in Bogota would work well.
Call in any time Tom and have a beer.
Greg.
Better watch it, Greg. Some dumb assholes will flame you for trying to make a profit.
I am goofball for not asking while I was there last month. I went to Loutron, and had a wonderful session with a honey called Sara, but only for an hour.
Can anyone shed some light on the cost for more than an hour with the girl as opposed to just one hour for 150 pesos. For example, do they have specials for the more time you spend with her, or if you take two at a time instead of one girl.
I will be there in Medellin in about three weeks. So I will ask this time around. But in the meantime, can anyone share that info., wether its Loutron, Energy, Blue room, Miel y Canela. Thanks, Laters!I have called Loutron from my hotel and had a girl over for 2 hour sessions at 180k pesos, but thats when the price was 110k pesos per hour there. What I usually do is head to Loutron the first day and scope out the talent, writing down the names and perhaps sampling one while I am there, then later in the trip I can just call anytime and have whoever I want sent over.
I can't imagine that you wouldn't be able to work out something similar to this at any of the houses. You will need to speak some spanish to negotiate or have someone do it for you to make sure you get what you want.
Cubanut - many dancers did exactly what you said while we were there. At least a couple are lesbos according to one of the other girls we were hanging with. FireGirl, who I would classify as the tops in the dancing department would only do one hour sessions, no TLN as that is what I asked her. A buddy did an in-house session with her a couple days before and said she was an awesome little kitten. The mgmt still suxorz and I am positive they aren't to be trusted.
Coach - please, oh please. If your club is half as good as the Mansion, it will be ten times better than F2. And you know how much we loved F2, until our eyes were opened.
SparkChaser - I may have to take a hit out on you and a couple others as I am in a severe Paisa/Mansion/MDE depression and I haven't been gone 24 hours yet. Wait, I can put that hit money toward a ticket. OK, you're back on my favorites list :)
Greg
being the entrepreneur that you are I could see it happening. Hey you could expand your coach duties to "coach" the girls in the proper way to "service" the clients. There is nothing like the "hands on" approach to the untimate GFE to make a man feel special. The place could be called "Aussie Gregs Coaches Lounge"
Scooby
Aussie Greg
09-06-06, 15:05
¨Entrepreneur¨
I like the sound of that but no, just a guy who´s having a go and is a dooer and not a dreamer !! like some of the ¨Arm Chair Experts¨
I have just through of the next Free Weeks Compertion Question.
What are we going to call Aussie Greg´s new Strip Tease Club here in Medellin.
The Aussie.
QUOTE=Chivas 1]The title speaks for itself! :)[/QUOTE]
I wonder why it is when ever anyone say's anything good about you Greg there is always some asshole like Chivas 1 who has to attempt to turn it around into something negetive. Whats the matter Chivas 1 are you jealous or just plain ignorant.
When on 9/4/06 you sent this message to Greg, I guess I could have said the same thing.
Modelos muy hermosos Chief!
Very pretty models Chief as I like that better than coach!. You are one lucky kangaroo! lol!
But before that on 8/26/06
A While Back I Remember A Problem....
A while back I remember it was a problem for you Greg when a couple individuals asked you for information on buying property in Colombia, as you stated and I quote you "I had to learn the hard way and I had to pay an attorney to gain my knowledge so I am not about to give any of it out. If you want it you can get it the same way I did and I will provide you the name of an attorney". You even resorted to calling a couple members here derogatory names because they called you out on it! Why now the change of heart?. Could it be because of Albert? :)
Lets see mood swings Hummm. What happened Chivis did you go off your Bi-Polar meds or what? Hummmm I wonder??????????????
What are we going to call Aussie Greg´s new Strip Tease Club here in Medellin. First thought, in english: Heaven
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because it contributed nothing of value and in fact constituted a complete waste of bandwidth.
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex. Let's stick to the subject.
I have just thought of the next Free Weeks Competition Question:
What are we going to call Aussie Greg´s "New Strip Tease Club" here in Medellin?
The Aussie.
It's got to be HELP.
Cheers Mate,
Cubanut
El Austriaco
09-07-06, 01:43
My entry... either that or Stripping Matilda. Or Land of Oz Locombia. Or Slide It in in Medellin.
EA
Escort King
09-07-06, 01:43
The added art is a nice touch....
How about Toda La Noche Bailarines
Now that will get everyone's attention! Even those whose Spanish is limited!!!
it has been awhile since there have been any postings of merit here. i don't have a clever nickname for a strip club so i will offer up something during the lull that hopefully will save a life (or a few bucks and your speedmaster).
most savvy sa travelers already use most of this, so it is more geared to guy's who would be staying at the various "high-profile" mansions.
personnel security & safety protocol - 2006
the following is an updated summary of protocols and procedures in place for the safety and security of mongers travelling to colombia. measures to ensure personal safety are a must and apply to both mongers, nationals and expatriates. the protocols are mainly designed for the capital city of bogota, the population and crime center, but apply to other major cities in colombia and elsewhere in latin america and around the world. the information and recommendations listed below come from many years of experience of myself, other workers and friends as well as recommendations from control risks group (crg).
although the recommendations may seem extreme they are meant to be a comprehensive list of all possibilities and not an attempt to cause fear. colombia is a great country, chances are that your stay will go very well. most of the safety tips involve common sense and can help prevent assaults and robberies. if one can avoid being an easy or obvious target, chances are nothing will happen.
common crimes are:
1. “smash and grabs” - where the assailant smashes a vehicle's window when stopped at a traffic light or in a traffic jam and grabs a purse and/or demands valuables and flees (commonly during day on certain streets)
2. “street assault/mugging” - where assailant(s) demand money and valuables at knife/gun point (often 2-3 assailants involved)
3. “express kidnapping” or “secuestro al paso” where assailants kidnap victims for a short period with the purpose of having them take out their daily bank limit from atm's – can happen in taxis, own vehicle and while walking. the frequency of the express kidnapping is on the rise.
on the positive side, most crime in colombia is for money and valuables and does not involve bodily harm as long as the victim does not resist.
personal safety measures
a series of recommendations are included below. if implemented diligently, the different security risks can be significantly reduced. the list of protocols is divided into the following categories: a) personal / daily routine, b) residence, c) driving / vehicle safety / parking and d) public transportation.
personal / daily routine
* avoid obvious indications of personal wealth and, if applicable, foreign status – avoid wearing and displaying expensive watches, jewelry or valuables and avoid wearing flashy clothes – dress down
* play down your financial status and image
* avoid the public limelight
* avoid people who may themselves be a target
* avoid obvious display of cash; limit the quantity carried
* avoid carrying credit card slips of any kind
* avoid carrying credit and bank cards – if possible avoid use of gold or platinum cards (including corporate cards) as they demonstrate personal wealth
* make sure you know your credit / bank card pin number – in case of quickie kidnapping involving bank machine
* keep money in front pockets or money belt, do not carry wallet in back pocket
* do carry some cash – in case of assault it is better to be able to provide some money and/or valuables to the assailant
* avoid carrying any documents with home and family information such as addresses as well as family pictures
* avoid carrying bank machine receipts which show bank account balance
* offer no resistance and remain calm – do not fight back or struggle and do as assailants say
* avoid the media
* pay attention to and beware of anyone suspicious
* avoid being out alone at night – especially women, use buddy system
* avoid drinking beverages in a bar or discotheque alone, avoid leaving drink glass unattended as it could be spiked
* avoid visiting bad or suspect areas, especially at night
* avoid daily routines – easy for potential assailant to learn your movements
* vary timing of arrival and departure on daily journeys and attendance at meetings, social or sporting activities – avoid routine
* make use of available alternatives of building exits – avoid routine
* always carry cell phone as it can be used in case of emergency – know emergency contact numbers (stored in phone memory)
* always carry the local emergency telephone numbers from which reliable assistance will be available; also carry the appropriate coins or tokens to operate public telephones
* use code names for house and family phone contacts speed dials (i.e. don’t have “casa” as a memory speed dial)
* do not talk on cell phone while walking on the street
* know self defense
* avoid eye contact with strangers
* don’t look like a lost tourist or a person paranoid – don’t stand out - be relaxed and blend into the surrounding
* avoid contact (talking etc) with unknown persons who may show interest in you
* avoid using bank machine at night (greater risk of assailant observing and waiting for person to leave machine with money)
* use only bank machines that have security guard(s) or have indoor atms
* use extra precaution when exiting parties, bars and discotheques – especially expatriates as they may be observed and waited on
* avoid discussions that can be overheard in public places and which may attract attention and raise your profile
* avoid conversing about future movements of oneself when in public place such as bar, restaurant and gas station as assailant may over hear and be waiting for that person – it is often a team situation when the waiter / gas attendant would tip the assailant of ones future movements
* be extra careful of luxury establishments (i.e. restaurants) – assailants often case upscale establishments knowing persons utilizing such places have money and thus are good “targets”
* women should be aware and careful when in shopping malls and exiting malls – assailant often cases person inside mall and follows them out to their vehicle to rob them
* avoid having a high bank account balance – it is possible that bank employees inform assailants of your worth (based on balance) and thus make one a high ‘target”
* if you have a high bank account balance, do not have an atm card for your account. open a 2nd account with a us$2,000 or less balance and have an atm card for this account only
* don’t trust national police, often crooked or fake
* if necessary rely on and trust municipal police for help
* consider changing accommodation if visit is long term - do not give advance warning of such change
* if necessary to change travel arrangements do so on short notice
* identify the position of service staircases and elevators in your office, residence or hotel in case these are needed for use in an emergency
* coordinate with your host, home office staff and family an appropriate and inconspicuous verbal and visual “stress” code for use, if necessary, to indicate that you are acting under duress when communicating in any way with them.
residence
* live in a good district of the city and safe apartment or house
* make sure apartment has 24 hour guard at entrance and locked outer gate
* avoid living on the bottom three floors of apartment building
* make sure house secure – if possible have eight foot walls with electric fence on top, install alarm system (connected to security company), have strong door locks, change locks periodically, use intercom to communicate with visitors
* know emergency contact numbers – including municipal police, doctor, hospital, appropriate embassy, fireman etc
* don’t open door to strangers or vendors
* don’t open door for service people unless a known and trusted person (assailants often pretend to be legitimate service persons– water, electricity etc)
* don’t use dwelling address for personal (banking etc) correspondence as postal workers can (and do) open mail and may learn of one’s worth and possessions etc – better to use office address for correspondence
* don’t let service people (phone, maintenance, water etc) into dwelling when alone (especially women) – make sure someone else is present (maid, friend, spouse)
* be careful and alert when opening front door and garage door – assailant may be waiting outside dwelling for door to open and use opportunity to gain entrance
* don’t respond or converse to unknown phone callers
* be careful with house/apartment employees (maids, gardeners etc)
driving / vehicle safety / parking
* avoid using same route if possible – avoid routine (to prevent assailant from learning your schedule) of route and timing
* when varying the routes of daily journeys, each route should follow main or principal roads well frequented by other vehicles and avoid known low-income districts and narrow secondary or back streets (especially at night)
* identify the safe havens on routes used for local journeys before departure such as police posts
* avoid driving at night if possible
* install protective window covers (anti-impact laminations) installed in vehicles – especially for women as they are principal targets of “smash and grab crime” (protective window cover/coating prevents window from being smashed)
* install anti-theft protection for lights and mirrors etc
* always have cell phone in vehicle – use for emergency calls if necessary – memorize and store in ones cell phone emergency contact numbers
* don’t stop for anyone signaling you to stop – if in doubt drive to nearest highly visible, public area (people commonly pretend to be police and rob them)
* if involved in a vehicle accident do not stop as the accident may have been contrived - drive on and make a report immediately to the organisation you are visiting or to the nearest police station
* keep purses, brief cases, computers and other valuables in trunk and out of sight – may prevent smash and grab crime as nothing of value is recognized by potential assailant
* have money hidden but keep some cash at hand in case of assault – some money to provide to assailants
* avoid driving through tunnels at night
* avoid parking in desolate or dark areas, especially at night
* avoid carrying bank card and credit cards, especially at night (one common crime is the quickie kidnapping that involves car-jacking a person and make him withdraw daily limit from bank machine, more common in evening as person can be forced to withdraw daily limit over two days)
* avoid driving luxury vehicles as they demonstrate wealth and are primary targets – one should drive an inconspicuous or common vehicle that does not attract attention
* maintain vehicle doors locked and windows closed at all times
* two vehicles travelling in convoy provide better protection than one vehicle alone
* when being collected by vehicle from a secure building remain inside until your vehicle arrives and it is safe to leave
* be prepared to telephone ahead to a trusted person at your destination before departure on a journey - confirm safe arrival by telephoning back to a similar trusted person at your departure point
* be aware and alert to events outside your car such as recognising if you are being followed
* park vehicle in a protected area and as near to your destination and to building entrance as possible - reduce to a minimum the distance you have to walk in the open
* vary the type of transport used every few days - make use of taxis, hire cars or private vehicles of reliable members of its staff known to you – avoid routine
* keep your car in good condition and regularly serviced and at least quarter tank of gasoline
* do not leave your vehicle unattended whilst being serviced
* know where jack and spare wheel are located and how to change a wheel in the event of a puncture
* always lock the vehicle, even in a secure garage or parking facility
* do not leave documents in your car that may provide information to and assist potential attackers such as details of home or work address and phone numbers
* if you use valet parking lock documents in the glove box if you can not carry them on you
* use a locking wheel nut and a lockable petrol cap
* use a removable radio cassette/cd player if possible and store in glove box when parked
* if you have gold or platinum credit cards, ask your bank to give you a standard silver card with the same line credit as your gold/platinum card to maintain a low profile
* if you carry credit and bank cards make sure you memorize both card’s atm pin number so if you are kidnapped (quickie kidnapping) the assailants will be able to get some money and release you quickly
* make sure the car is locked and the car alarm is activated when you leave the vehicle
* consider fitting an immobilizer or bar for locking the steering wheel – prevents vehicle from being stolen
* lower your radio antenna when parked
* before entering a vehicle left unattended and unprotected, visually inspect it if warranted by the local level of threat - it should be noted that physical inspection of a vehicle which is suspected of being fitted with an explosive device should only be carried out by a person suitably qualified
* know your vehicle - if searching for an explosive device you should know what is in your car and what the underside of your vehicle should look like
* look after your keys - keep them on your person at all times and do not give them to anyone you are unsure of
* when parking in daylight, try to picture what the area will look like at night. park in a lighted area where possible
* park as close as possible to your destination - if parking off road always reverse in
* before leaving the vehicle check for any suspicious persons
* on returning to the vehicle check inside the vehicle before you get in and look out for suspicious persons - have your keys ready in your hand as fumbling in handbags or pockets can make you a target
* lock the vehicle as soon as you are inside and start the engine so you can drive away immediately
public transportation
* use only known, secure radio taxis of reliable companies (especially women and foreign visitors that don’t know the country and language). try and make you call your taxi yourself. a radio taxi taken on the street is even more dangerous as it can call another car to help intercept you
* avoid taking a taxi alone if possible
* if using “street” taxi be aware of route, sit in back seat, lock doors and have windows rolled up
* it is preferable to use hired cars instead of taxis for personal and family transportation
* order taxis at the latest possible moment before departure
* don’t tell taxi where you are going – give just general directions – prevents taxi driver from phoning ahead to his possible co-kidnappers (driver contacts co-assailants who wait for you to arrive at destination)
* don’t have street taxis stop at ones place of dwelling – it is better if the taxi doesn’t know where you live (especially expatriates)
* try not to let your taxi driver make or receive phone calls or make radio calls
* avoid giving any personal information to street taxi drivers – such as occupation and places frequented as they may perceive you have money and learn your routine
* be very careful if using a street taxi when leaving a good restaurant or bar – they may be watching and waiting for you to leave
* avoid using microbuses
for all who have read this far, i trust all your trips will be safe and happy!
lb
Dang lima if I have to remember all that stuff i'd never have any fun!!!
What is the rationale behind the microbus prohibition? I regularly ride the mini-bus from Rio Negro to MDE. The bus holds about 40 people. I have used a van service from CTG to BAQ. WTF is a microbus?
What is the rationale behind the microbus prohibition? I regularly ride the mini-bus from Rio Negro to MDE. The bus holds about 40 people. I have used a van service from CTG to BAQ. WTF is a microbus?
Tom 33,
Did you read the whole thing(or just skip to the end)Ja Ja. A micro bus is as you described using from Rio Negro to MDE. The rationale is very simple (never have a predictable routine). If you used a bus service everyday, travelling the same route eventually you become a target. Try as we might thru clothes,accent or habits, we will never pass as locals and always have a bullseye on our backs.
It has been said by others and I concur,that the behavior/drinking habits/lifestyle of certain people will bring unwelcome attention and dire consequences for them and the people around them.
I like you confess to wearing shorts in the summer and I also travel frequently on the bus as I feel the risk of express kidnapping does not outweigh the risk of not sitting next to the next pretty young thing, who can only afford the bus!
LB
Chocha Monger
09-08-06, 02:47
Lima Busy,
A great report. Even the veterans can't be too careful. However, you didn't mention arranging for proof of life. Perhaps you should add a section on that to your report. People never think about proof of life until it's too late, but it's absolutely essential for travel in Colombia.
Lima Busy,
A great report. Even the veterans can't be too careful. However, you didn't mention arranging for proof of life. Perhaps you should add a section on that to your report. People never think about proof of life until it's too late, but it's absolutely essential for travel in Colombia.This is a must - can save a lot of difficulty down the road in the event of an incident. And do it for your kids. See the film Man on Fire.
Polvo
Tom 33,
Did you read the whole thing(or just skip to the end)Ja Ja. A micro bus is as you described using from Rio Negro to MDE. The rationale is very simple (never have a predictable routine). If you used a bus service everyday, travelling the same route eventually you become a target. Try as we might thru clothes,accent or habits, we will never pass as locals and always have a bullseye on our backs.
It has been said by others and I concur,that the behavior/drinking habits/lifestyle of certain people will bring unwelcome attention and dire consequences for them and the people around them.
I like you confess to wearing shorts in the summer and I also travel frequently on the bus as I feel the risk of express kidnapping does not outweigh the risk of not sitting next to the next pretty young thing, who can only afford the bus!
LB
I did not read the part about driving. I don't own a car in Colombia. In fact I don't have much in Colombia. My apartment is fairly nice, but it's not ostentatious. I do live in an Estrato 6(the nicest) area.
I do not drink at all nor do I stay out late at night.
I hear you about the bus. I have been hit upon in a bus by a decent-looking(but not hot) chica. I felt like a piece of Gringo meat. I loved it.
Many moons ago (1970) I toured Colombia and spent a month or so in Bogota. Locals were always warning me about violent theft, but while I walked or rode the bus system everwhere day and night, no problems ever occurred. I haven't been back since, but now that retirement is approaching, Medellin or Manizales might be an option. Most of you speak highly of Medellin.
Some of you guys seem very knowledgeable about expat living conditions. How would you rate travel between and outside of the above two cities? Is it reasonably safe? I've travelled in a few scary places, but no one wants to feel they are living their retirement in a fortress.
Is there a forum such as "Expats Living in Colombia?" that offers advice?
For what it is worth, in 1970 editions page three of El Tiempo usually contained detailed info on the latest kidnappings. Time advances, but the themes remain the same. Bogota was a city of one million, with small upper and middle classes and a large lower class. Cinema viewing was cheap and plentiful. The crazy thing is -I don't recall the girls as being especially good looking. I obviously missed a lot.
Regards,
Busterhimen
09-08-06, 17:31
PERSONNEL SECURITY & SAFETY PROTOCOL - 2006
The following is an updated summary of protocols and procedures in place for the safety and security of mongers travelling to Colombia..... Gracias Compadre, I always knew I was right about not going back home.
Sucks, cause all that pussy is so hot!
Being in Colombia when I was younger was cool, but shit, if it's bad enough here in the border-less USA now, can you imagine what it's like now in all those poverty stricken hell holes of South America.
I guess I gotta stick to the asian yellow tail I've come to have a taste for.
Peace.
Subaculture
09-08-06, 17:43
Is there a forum such as "Expats Living in Colombia?" that offers advice?
Regards,
www.poorbuthappy.com
Aussie Greg
09-08-06, 23:01
Ask your questions here, somebody will answer them, most probley me or Tom33, regards.
Aussie Greg
www.poorbuthappy.com
John Dust
Here is another great blog on Colombia that has a thread on "Moving to Colombia"
http://www.colombianblog.com/phpBB2/index.php
The original site has some specific info also
http://colombianblog.com
Its a great site JD the administrator is really cool.
Scooby
...now that retirement is approaching, Medellin or Manizales might be an option. Most of you speak highly of Medellin.
Some of you guys seem very knowledgeable about expat living conditions. How would you rate travel between and outside of the above two cities? Is it reasonably safe? I've travelled in a few scary places, but no one wants to feel they are living their retirement in a fortress.
For what it is worth, in 1970 editions page three of El Tiempo usually contained detailed info on the latest kidnappings. Time advances, but the themes remain the same. Bogota was a city of one million, with small upper and middle classes and a large lower class. Cinema viewing was cheap and plentiful. The crazy thing is -I don't recall the girls as being especially good looking. I obviously missed a lot.
Regards,
Travel between the two is safe as is the area around the two. Of course you do want to be careful.
BOG has a metro population of around 7.5 million now.
I just had a vacation with Medellin Adventures www.medellinadventures.com and now I am sold on Colombia and the wonderful ladies of Colombia. The ladies from this agency stay with you 24 hours a day and it is more of a girlfriend relation. I am now sold on Colombia and especially Medellin. I will be a frequent traveler to Colombia in the future.
Misnst,
You are a new member and have only two posts, this one and the one in Medellin Lists which is exactly the same.
You give absolutely no details or hint of a report so I for one am just taking it that your post was just a plug for the service.
Perhaps you should shoot the Admin an email to see if a separate thread can be established for Medellin Adventures.
$2476.00 for 1 week (not including airfare) is a bit pricey unless the included escort is super and I mean HOT!
I actually came across this site several months ago and at that time the escort girls showed their faces and now they are blocked out. Why the change? I do remember that the escorts pictured then seemed like your typical Paisa and nothing outrageous. However at $200 for a 24 hour escort, at least you could show what the girls look like.
Cheers,
Cubanut
Yep ... good point Cuba ... tienes razon
The web site used to have videos attached to it also, but one thing I've noticed is they dont show the place where you stay like VIP & The Mansion and the Castillo do. If you ever check out the similar vacation on Margarita Island or Blackbeards they all show the facility. What do they have to hide makes me wonder. When I went to Medellin I stayed 15 days & only spent 3000usd that included piasias, lodging food everything I know this cause thats all I brought with me. So it sounds a bit expensive to me.
The mansion is well know on this site. it even has it's own forum here.
[ur]internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1946[/url]
It's more of a Bed & breakfast type place and they don't supply the girls but do have " friends " hanging around. it's where I would stay if i make it down that way.
Kwm
Escort King
09-10-06, 21:03
I just had a vacation with Medellin Adventures www.medellinadventures.com and now I am sold on Colombia and the wonderful ladies of Colombia. The ladies from this agency stay with you 24 hours a day and it is more of a girlfriend relation. I am now sold on Colombia and especially Medellin. I will be a frequent traveler to Colombia in the future.
This one would be a good stop for say 4 guys for a weekend of sex and football - if the accomodations have large widescreen TV with NFL and College football games - a large jacuzzi - good food and flowing booze and condoms... a women not adverse to swapping....
Greed Is Good
09-10-06, 21:14
Went for the 1st time to Face II last night. Figured it would be a little fancier and a little different. On a Saturday night not very many ppl at 10PM. One girl dances on stage for 5 minutes then walks around looking for a tip from the punters. Not much interaction with 20-25 girls sitting around the back of the place. One of the bartenders said the ST price was 150,000 next door. But then he said for take out it is the 150,000 to the bar and the girl gets 300,000 for LT ! Is that true ? For my 1st night in this city it is truly spectacular. Will be hitting some of the places on the lists if the work load lightens up :-(
... a women not adverse to swapping....I thought their only aversion was based on their idea of how much more they can get out of your wallet :)
Travel between the two is safe as is the area around the two. Of course you do want to be careful.
BOG has a metro population of around 7.5 million now.Many thanks to Tom 33, Scooby1, Aussie Greg, and subaculture for the replies to my inquiry about present conditions in Colombia. I'll check out the sites.
Regards,
Went for the 1st time to Face II last night. Figured it would be a little fancier and a little different. On a Saturday night not very many ppl at 10PM. One girl dances on stage for 5 minutes then walks around looking for a tip from the punters. Not much interaction with 20-25 girls sitting around the back of the place. One of the bartenders said the ST price was 150,000 next door. But then he said for take out it is the 150,000 to the bar and the girl gets 300,000 for LT ! Is that true ? For my 1st night in this city it is truly spectacular. Will be hitting some of the places on the lists if the work load lightens up :-(While I was there it didn't start hopping until at least 11/11:30. The advantage to showing up early is the chicas are fresh :)
Fase II mgmt didn't give me a positive impression while there. One dude got 'roofied' and went to the hopsital. One guy got a crap deal from a hooker in ST and the mgr took her side and two strippers tried to run off with a 20K for a tip....like we didnt know where they worked...problem is the mgr took their side again. The price for take home is in the range they quoted most of us. Even had one female stripper/translator tell me to stop thinking in pesos and think in dollars. "you would pay $1000 for a girl like her in America" *_* We didn't go back at all our final weekend after we saw the mgr was a gringo-hater.
Wear 'em out in-house if ya go back...they got some honeys...but I doubt I will ever go back. Heck, you can get a Loutron girl takeout for the cost of FaseII house fine and they're nicer and every bit as pretty, but they close at 9 or 10pm.
If you like spending alot of money, there is also Los Orientales or something like that.
If you want a strip club atmosphere, Club San Diego is around the corner from Fase II. It's less expensive too.
Do to immigration BS in the states I am thinking of moving to Colombia. My wife and children are already there (in Medellin), they are Colombian.
For me, THE American, what would I do with his time there? My spanish is not literate enought to work for someone.
I have enough funds to support my family and myself for about 4 years without work, but what after that.
I was thinking starting a business in Medellin or Cartagena but I do not know what rights I have over there.
Also can my wife apply for me to live legal there?
We have until January to decide. In January my family s slatted to return to the US but we do not have the advanced parole for her return. If that does not come or gets denied, I am not going to start this process from the beginning (and wait six to nine months for their return), so it would be better for me to move there and start a new life.
If you have some good advise please help.
Thank you.
Ask your questions here, somebody will answer them, most probley me or Tom33, regards.
Aussie Greg
BeersTerry
09-11-06, 13:18
Yeah, Fase Dos was gouging big, my last time down in early August. That and the attitude of some of the women.
Maybe its time for some competition. Anyone to open up another place ?
There are others like you that live here, the life is easy and the transition is smooth. I live here and had no problems with starting a business or money. The oppurtunies are endless with the low labor cost and the construction boom. There are many talented people who need the start up capital to get a small business started, so if you have the cash they have the know how, just choose the right person and you can ride a shining stars trail.
Good luck
Guys looking for a better MDE experience(real girls vs. P4P)might want to check out these guys http://www.theapartmentmedellin.com/
LB
Guys looking for a better MDE experience(real girls vs. P4P)might want to check out these guys http://www.theapartmentmedellin.com/ LBUntil I land that gig as Tom Cruise's double, I guess hanging with them could get me the same place I would be without them, in line behind them.
Nice place though. What the heck is a football court? (j/k all you soccer freaks)
Greed Is Good
09-13-06, 06:10
Had a little time off from "The Job" and hit 2 places recommended here. Went yesterday to Energy. Cabbie brought us and we were (fellow workmate) were a little surprised at the no sign and being next to an auto repair shop. But upon knocking were pleasantly surprised by the selection inside. 6 girls introduced themselves and I decided on a little cutie about 45kilos. My buddy choose another small one. The rooms remind me of the OLD Soi 6 in PTTY. 7-10 years ago. After a 1/2 attempt at a massage it was roll over time and we were off to the races. Very good srvice for the approx 60,000COL.
Today off to the much talked about "Loutron". To say I was disappointed would be saying it lightly. Pretty women paraded in front of my buddy and I. Picked another slender one. Service was a JOKE. Got a bad one. My bud ended up with the black, tall, amazon. He was happy. Me ?? Will I go back ?? Unsure at this point. Less money at the smaller places, maybe more appreciative of the biz. Who knows ? It's always a crap shoot when your dealing with working girls.
Until I land that gig as Tom Cruise's double, I guess hanging with them could get me the same place I would be without them, in line behind them.
Nice place though. What the heck is a football court? (j/k all you soccer freaks)
Ticosonar,
I agree with you to a certain extent, but you put way to much emphasis on a persons looks. These guys are not your competition! They are just trying to keep the extra bedroom filled with cool guys! If you have personality/language skills and are considered "chevere" by Latinas you will do great. Alot of guy's I have met in SA are young and not "loaded". They do not want to blow their travel budget on high priced lodging and women. At $30 bucks a night this is reasonable for a long stay.
Invest the money you are saving (on Puta's and lodging) on some nice clothes,salsa lessons,spanish class,personal trainer and preparing two outragious dishes and you are good to go with "non-pro's" all over SA.
LB
LB
Invest the money you are saving (on Puta's and lodging) on some nice clothes,salsa lessons,spanish class,personal trainer and preparing two outragious dishes and you are good to go with "non-pro's" all over SA.
LBLB,
I was kinda joshin around. I haven't had the balls to walk in the local ballroom dance place yet, but it's on the list. What would you call 'outrageous' as a dish? I love food, but I have no clue what a Paisa would be knocked over with. GD personal trainer. When are one of you guys gonna make that magic weight loss pill? Thanks for the advice LB. You've told me what some of the guys in MDE that I met said. And I think they are gold.
Greed is Good. A guy I went with one day to Loutron had a bad session as the chica was tired. She walked him to the office and told them to give him a cheaper price be/see she didn't do a good job.
Abydos is also a nice little place. They give the same style presentation as Loutron. The second best boot-knockin I got was here and it's around the same price as Energy, but the chicas are not as hot as Loutron. PS - If you go there, don't think about going to the gas station across the street and get one of the 15 cabs sitting there for a ride. They're all waiting on the LP gas pump. Man did I feel like a tard. Picture no habla espanol grino in *shorts* no less walking around to all these cabbies standing beside their cab and getting blown off and not understanding why. Oy vey (! )
And props to your buddy for doing the amazon. She's hot, but I was afraid, I was very afraid.
Tico,
The girls are knocked over by the fact you can #1 (COOK) and #2 (Cooked for them)! It is not important what you make only that it is different. If you are entertaining a group make a good meat sauce or Osso Buco. For a lone chica
Pollo Saltimbuca is fast and easy (bring sage with you) buy a good dry white wine when you arrive.
Another trick is to bring a box of "Zatarian" Jambayla rice (but hide the box)!Add chicken,cubed ham and sausage/chorizo when you arrive! Girls in SA are usually amateurs when it comes to cooking and wine and are intrigued by guy's who are worldly.
Trick #2, Bring an egg poacher (fits in a frying pan) and a 12 pack of Thomas's english muffins. The morning after make "eggs Benedict" with a good quality bacon and cheese(no Hollandaise sauce) serve with fresh orange juice and coffee. When she comes back for more switch the poached eggs for an omelette with fresh basil(Albahaca) & diced fresh italian (roma) tomatoes with a sprinkling of parmesan.
Dance- Start out with a Merengue and then move on to a Cuban Salsa.
Gotta run I am getting hungry and happen to be sitting at Cafe Z in Lima!
LB
BeersTerry
09-14-06, 22:39
Hey, Last time down, I made coq au vin for a chica and it did'nt get me laid....in fact, I could'nt even get her to look me in the eye after dinner. She kept clinging to the toilet!
Hey, Last time down, I made coq au vin for a chica and it did'nt get me laid....in fact, I could'nt even get her to look me in the eye after dinner. She kept clinging to the toilet!
Ja Ja, Maybe she wanted anal!
LB
You dirty boy LOL
Ja Ja, Maybe she wanted anal!
LB
Tico,
The girls are knocked over by the fact you can #1 (COOK) and #2 (Cooked for them)! It is not important what you make only that it is different. If you are entertaining a group make a good meat sauce or Osso Buco. For a lone chica
Pollo Saltimbuca is fast and easy (bring sage with you) buy a good dry white wine when you arrive.
Another trick is to bring a box of "Zatarian" Jambayla rice (but hide the box)!Add chicken,cubed ham and sausage/chorizo when you arrive! Girls in SA are usually amateurs when it comes to cooking and wine and are intrigued by guy's who are worldly.
Trick #2, Bring an egg poacher (fits in a frying pan) and a 12 pack of Thomas's english muffins. The morning after make "eggs Benedict" with a good quality bacon and cheese(no Hollandaise sauce) serve with fresh orange juice and coffee. When she comes back for more switch the poached eggs for an omelette with fresh basil(Albahaca) & diced fresh italian (roma) tomatoes with a sprinkling of parmesan.
Dance- Start out with a Merengue and then move on to a Cuban Salsa.
Gotta run I am getting hungry and happen to be sitting at Cafe Z in Lima!
LB
Personally I dont go for any of that caterring to women stuff. Not in the US and not anywhere else in the world. I feel like most chicks see it as a sign of ""you are now entering friend zone"".
American women espcially are tired of stepping all over there weak men. You have to have a backbone. These latin women((from my experiance)) if they smell that your a whimp man they will walk all over you. The next thing you know she is DFK her ex boyfriend who treats her like a piece of trash.
I dont condon treating women like shit. But i have seen that with women especially latin women you get much better results from just being a macho asshole. Not arogent but more of the "hey its my life and I go and do what i please." The most that I will do is buy a nice wine and mabye some flowers but actually manually cook a meal. Thats a no no.
Just my 2 cents
How do go about romancing women then?. It has always been my opinion and this is based on many women I have spoken to who are not P4P types who tell me the way to there heart is through romance. Now I am not talking about the lower end or mid range level of women but some of the finest you would ever want to meet. Lima Busy I believe is very correct in his statement and I am sure his views echo mine based on his experiences. By the way L.B my friend OTG sends his regards!:)
Does anyone know of any good car hire places in Medellin,i am looking at hiring a good car for only a few days.I am sick and tired of the taxies there.
Superboy
American women espcially are tired of stepping all over there weak men. You have to have a backbone. These latin women((from my experiance)) if they smell that your a whimp man they will walk all over you. The next thing you know she is DFK her ex boyfriend who treats her like a piece of trash.
I dont condon treating women like shit. But i have seen that with women especially latin women you get much better results from just being a macho asshole. Not arogent but more of the "hey its my life and I go and do what i please." The most that I will do is buy a nice wine and mabye some flowers but actually manually cook a meal. Thats a no no.
Just my 2 cents
yep Jose Lima, for the most part you are spot on mate.
A trip down calle 33 where 4 or 5 massage parlors are within walking distance of eachother, found Samsara gone. Remember, here in Medellin they do not have signs that point out the massage parlors, they will be in a what appears to be an apartment or such, maybe a buzzer to ring in is the only key you're in the right place. Blue Room was the treat for the trouble of finding these places, 11 girls, a nice and clean viewing room, really a large seating area with couches to relax on. The Madam came from a office type desk at the front of the room and offered beer or soda and said ''servicio compledo'', was 65, 000 pesos, hmm, 34 bucks? Then she called out and 11 girls in white lab coats came frwd to give their name and smile and removed the lab coat to reveal Victoria Secret Lingerie, 360 for full view and next up! What a treat, I had them do it twice, the first time I could not tell you a name, the beauty here was beyond belief! All, 6. 5 to 2 at 9. 9 Full service and a damm good massage for 34. 00, I am never going home, wait, I retired here, this is home, or is it Heaven! Blue Room.
small world after all, out to San Diego show. Walked over from Casino Rio and saw 3 gringos there with a big Colombian dude checkin out the show girls. Then on thread with the bar be que pics from the Mansion I saw the same guys in the pics, San Diego show is off my map now due to lack of friendly service and I hope Aussie Greg opens a strip club soon, I will stick to the Massage houses till then, just my 2 cents, the drunks, the Narco traffic and the lack of friendly service have takin the toll on me.
I haven't met too many latinas that have let me / wanted me to do a thing in the kitchen .... I personally like it like that.
Generally, if they dig you, they really want to take care of YOU.
You can show them the love in other ways :)
I don't really agree with Jose Lima's ... macho asshole ... technique either.
I have found these chicas eat up a dude that is muy carinoso ... very loving .... that's what a lot of these latino guys lack, and what draws the chicas to gringos.
Don't be a limp, wet noodle ... but a sweet, loving demeanor goes a long way.
Obviously different approaches work, depending on your personality .... being an asshole is something difficult for me to be.
Though I have been told by various gringas that I am one :)
Suerte!
Ricker,
I agree with you and Rufus. Remember this is a different culture and the role of a woman in Latino culture is totally different from that of a woman in the USA. From the time they were little girls they have been used to cooking and cleaning for the man of the house. In turn they were protected and loved, the father had affairs, he had his liquior and sex on demand but his family was Numero 1. If you want to hold on to one of these beautiful creatures it is not very hard, #1, do not over give of cash or gifts, they will become expected as American women, love her but do not spoil her, she will become Barbie of the USA too quickly! # 2, let her provide the duties she has since she was little, cooking, cleaning, mothering, and you're sex goddess. This is part of her self worth, it is important for her to think she gives. Numero 3, tell her you Love her and her family is important to you, listen to her, nurture her, help her to become the person she wants not the person you want her to be. And, in the bed, foreplay and words are the most important, she is Latino, tell her she is the Sex queen, fucking is good for you but Latino women love the mouth in more than one place, she will orgasm 3 to 1 with oral over you're cock, sad but true. Check the sex surveys. And last, DO NOT HIT, ABUSE, OR THREATIN THESE WOMEN, THEY GET EVEN, one way or the other, I know.
.....Heaven! Blue Room.Is this correct for Heaven's address? Avenida 33 No. 78-63
Thanks
Polvo
Some girls may like the machista thing, but not many IMHO. Most that do will have plenty of Colombianos to fill that role. I am with Ricker in the carinoso school. And judging from results, it works well even for an average looking guy like me, let alone a studmuffin like Ricker with those killer baby blues that just melt the local lasses.
Whilke I disagree with him, I give Jose Lima credit for his manner of expreessing his opinion in non dogmatic fashion (unlike certain folks who cannot fathom that others have contrary views).
Reading the Medellin threads, I have noticed a steady incline in prices over the last few months. Anyone have an idea of going prices in Energy, Loutron, Blue room, Miel y Canela? I will be in town next week. I do not want to overpay.
A couple of months ago, I visited Miel y Canela, girl wanted 70,000 for an hour, I called her on it, and let her know it was 50,000. She said, ok. We had a fantastic session.
Turns out, she took off whole next day, and we hungout from noon till midnight. She she work as a tour guide, we had a good time going around town, and banging at my place. Ironically, she only wanted me to pay for her taxi ride to get back home (10,000). I gave her 40,000. She was all smiles. Go figure. Laters!
Aussie Greg
09-17-06, 14:12
Medellin Adventures ? organising sex tours, I dont think the local orthorities will be to impressed with that !!
A.G.
Polvo, youre addy is right on for the Blue Room, only problem we encountered was the parking is in front of the little store below and you can not leave the car there for the hour or so. You have to park a block or so away, the prices are pretty stable here, 67,500 pesos '' service complete''. It is pay as you go, no upfront charge , when youre time is finished the Madam asked the girl which service she provided, Strange huh? Massage, BJ, CS, anyway ask for Sarah, she has nipples that will rock youre world! Sweet girl too. phone number of Blue Room ,250-0363.
you can always get the blue eyes just order blue contacts & the blonde hair with hair dye. Yeah it's artificial but so are alot of paisas boobs.
Jake Monger
09-18-06, 18:57
I am only taking one monger trip outside the US this year, I think I am going to add Columbia to the list of possibilities!
Jake
Can anyone recommend some nice chica-friendly hotels in the $80-100(USD)/night range? I made my airline arrangements for a week in Nov but something happened w/ my MM reservation (I have a confirmation). I'm also checking w/ VIP but I'm guessing they will be full also. Any help would be appreciated.
BTW, I had a great time previously at MM and think they're great, and hope to stay there again in the future. Some glitch just happened with my reservation. I don't hold anything against them.
I'm reading that someone is organizing car tours in the coolombian countryside, going from Medellin to the other big towns of Colombia. I want to say, maybe in the last 2 years situation in rural sides is improving with president Uribe, but being whitegringos travelling for the countryside is very unsafe. Remember out of towns there is not a true law, guerrilla can stop cars, buses and everyone to kidnapp them. And guerrila think all tourist are richmen. So go to Medellin, Cartagena and all other big towns, that are quite safe , BUT NEVER USE CAR, BUS TO TRAVEL FROM ONE TOWN TO THE OTHER, ALWAYS USE AIRPLANE!!!
Every years thousands people are kidnapped. Remeber it!
Chao.
Every years thousands people are kidnapped. Remeber it!I read before I went down that four (4) people were kidnapped in 2005. In fact, I think I sent the article to a family member who thought I had lost my marbles and was going to be kidnapped.
I'm not one to prevent people from scaring others away from spectacular Colombia :) I practice it whole-heartedly on CRT in a joking manner before anyone wigs out, but ya gotta make it believable, like skinny, blonde hair, blue eyed guys are automatically targeted.
Can anyone recommend some nice chica-friendly hotels in the $80-100(USD)/night range? I made my airline arrangements for a week in Nov but something happened w/ my MM reservation (I have a confirmation). I'm also checking w/ VIP but I'm guessing they will be full also. Any help would be appreciated.
BTW, I had a great time previously at MM and think they're great, and hope to stay there again in the future. Some glitch just happened with my reservation. I don't hold anything against them.I have been to medellin 17 times now and I always stay at:
http://www.hotelpark10.com.co/
This place is extremely nice and is in poblado, the nicest part of the city, a short walk from parque lleras, a terrific area of restaurants, shops and clubs.
There are 2 types of room, the regular 2 room suite for 180k and the 2 floor about 1200sq feet king suite with a hottub for 300k.
This hotel has every amenity except a pool and the staff is excellent, mostly speaks english and really friendly too boot.
There are no problems bringing whoever you want up to your room. Security is acheived with key activated doors just outside the elevator on each floor, except the 7th (king-suite) floor, go figure.
I simply can not recommend this hotel highly enough.
Every years thousands people are kidnapped. Remeber it!Dude, don't make shit up.
Less than 10 americans have been reported kidnapped in the last 3 years, thats less than Miami.
I'm not saying its super safe to be travelling the back roads and jungles of colombia, but lets not just start blathering about THOUSANDS kidnapped.
Reading the Medellin threads, I have noticed a steady incline in prices over the last few months. Anyone have an idea of going prices in Energy, Loutron, Blue room, Miel y Canela? I will be in town next week. I do not want to overpay.My girl completely drained me of fluids on fridays night so I went out and just scouted the parlors saturday afternoon:
Loutron moved on saturday so it wasn't open, new address:
Calle 12 Sur 10 - 245
The Blue Room, same owner as Loutron, was the best of the rest just a step down from loutron and it was like I personally got to pick which girls would get to move up to the big leagues. Each girl that came out was reasonably attractive, but with some flaw that would keep her in the minors for a while.
Price quoted as 65k for 1hr completo
Abydos and Samsara are right across the street from each other on ave 33. Both had talent on par with Blue Room, but the rooms are another step down.
70k quoted for each, one was 73k, but I don't remeber which one and the extra buck simply is not a deal breaker.
Miel Y Canela is just a few blocks from Abydos and Samsara and its a dive.
Only one girl was working and she was about a 5. There will certainly be more girls working any other day as this was the first place I visited on amor y amistad and the girls were trickling in late. There were more girls working at each sucessive parlor. Interestingly this was the only place that offered a price for anal (my buddy had to translate that one for me).
50k for 1hr completo (I'm not sure if anal is included in that price since thats not my thing). I would not even consider doing a girl in that sty though. The madam quoted me 70k to take a girl out to my hotel.
Hope this helps out.
I was in Blue Room about 6 weeks ago, and I was quoted 55k, so the price has increased. As for miel and canela, the facilities are not the best, but if you are patient, every once in a while, you can find a gem. As for anal in Miel and Canela, anal is offered and charged separately.
Thanks for new address on Loutron, I will be there in Medellin in a couple of weeks, looking foward to checking out the new place.
Have not been to abydos or samsara yet, so that will be added to my agenda. Laters!
Sandman666
09-19-06, 20:20
This is my first report about Medellin. I did a lot of reading about Medellin here on ISG before heading out. I would like to thank everyone who has been contributing.
My trip was for two weeks. I spent the first week at the Medellin Mansion and the second at Club VIP. For a general comparison between the two I would give the Mansion an 8 out of 10 and the Club VIP a 4 out of 10. Club VIP is a much nicer setup but the service was horrible at times. I will explain more as the report goes.
During the trip I was with at least 15 different girls. They varied from so-so girls I found in houses to really hot girls I met in Face II. The lowest I paid was 35,000 pesos in some run down *****house to 200,000 pesos for a girl in Face II. There were a couple girls in the Mansion I was with also but the best girls I found in Face II.
Medellin as a city has very nice areas and some really bad areas. El Poblado is a very pretty place to spend some time with lots of nice restaurants and shopping malls. I met a couple girls in a mall by Santiago as well. The bad areas though are completely horrible with pollution so thick you have to wave the fumes out of your face. I did not have any criminal encounters at all in Medellin and most of the time I felt safe. But definitely the bad areas around central have the potential of being dangerous at night.
Most of the girls would not give BBBJ. This was a great disappointment for me. All used condoms for intercourse. Sex with the girls I would describe as being "ok". It is not as cold as some of the hardcore girls I met in Costa Rica but also not as exciting as the girls in Rio. I would give the Medellin girls a 6-7 out of 10 for performance but they also varied greatly. I did 3 girls from Lootrons and they were all as cold as a rock. On the other hand one street girl I was with was wild in the sack.
The Mansion was a little too hyper for me. There were lots of girls and lots of guys partying. If you like this type of environment then this is where you should go. Greg and the staff all helped out whenever possible. My only reason for leaving was the place was booked. There are also some very nice looking girls that can be found there although they are asking a lot of money. I prefer to find my own girls. The rooms in the mansion are livable but not great. But for the price it is a good place to stay especially for first timers. Overall I will be returning.
Club VIP is a much nicer house with more living space and very nice suites. Tom is a great guy who was very helpful but his partner Albert ruined the place for me. I do not want to start a soap opera over this but when I am paying for a service I expect it to be delivered. If it is not delivered I do not want to hear a bunch of lies as to why not. Several other people I met at VIP also think Albert is dead wood that should be cut loose but no sign of that yet. It is too bad though since the place has great potential and Tom is a swell guy, but I just cannot recommend it as long as Albert remains.
Outside of pussy hunting there really is not a lot to do in Medellin in the day time. One day we went to the rifle range and used machine guns and another day I went on a bus tour of the city. However, most days were spent hanging around the house or the shopping malls. There is no beach close by unless I wanted to fly one hour to Cartagena or Santa Marta.
Overall I enjoyed the trip. The girls were probably not as hot as I thought they would be. Many were very pretty to look at but seemed disinterested at times in anything but a quick fuck-and-run. I am 42 and speak passable Spanish. I think next time I will do more of a tour of Colombia from one city to the next. It is relatively cheap to fly from city to city so next time I hope to visit Cali, Bogota, Cartagena and Barranquilla as well.
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Dollar Bill
09-19-06, 21:46
Does anyone know of any good car hire places in Medellin,i am looking at hiring a good car for only a few days.I am sick and tired of the taxies there.
Superboy
Hey mate,
Going back to Medellin already? I was there in January with you and now you are back for your 3rd time (or 4th ) this year. You are one lucky guy!
What about getting a taxi that is available to you all day? I did that a couple of the days I was there and I think he charged me 15k per hour. You could probably work out a daily rate instead.
Do you think that might work for you? If so, let me know and I will look up my driver's info from my post in Feb of this year.
Take care and have another great time in Mde.
$Bill
Nice report amigo ... I really know nothing of the VIP place ... but pretty nice assesment of the Paisas and Medellin.
The trick to GREAT sex in Medellin ... or probably anywhere for that matter ... is getting the chica to dig ya. I guess that's obvious :)
I've pretty much changed from ... seeking many ... to enjoying quality of a few.
Jumping these chicas that are hanging with every dude that passes thru Medellin / Mansion ... I'm sure you become "just another gringo" with a fat wallet ... but that's OK too ... if that's what you're looking for.
To each their own :)
Suerte amigos!
BeersTerry
09-19-06, 22:20
Sandman had the same experience as I posted on the now Club VIP vs MM thread. Albert talks the talk but does not walk the walk.
This is my first report about Medellin. I did a lot of reading about Medellin here on ISG before heading out. I would like to thank everyone who has been contributing.
My trip was for two weeks. I spent the first week at the Medellin Mansion and the second at Club VIP. For a general comparison between the two I would give the Mansion an 8 out of 10 and the Club VIP a 4 out of 10. Club VIP is a much nicer setup but the service was horrible at times. I will explain more as the report goes.
During the trip I was with at least 15 different girls. They varied from so-so girls I found in houses to really hot girls I met in Face II. The lowest I paid was 35,000 pesos in some run down *****house to 200,000 pesos for a girl in Face II. There were a couple girls in the Mansion I was with also but the best girls I found in Face II.
Medellin as a city has very nice areas and some really bad areas. El Poblado is a very pretty place to spend some time with lots of nice restaurants and shopping malls. I met a couple girls in a mall by Santiago as well. The bad areas though are completely horrible with pollution so thick you have to wave the fumes out of your face. I did not have any criminal encounters at all in Medellin and most of the time I felt safe. But definitely the bad areas around central have the potential of being dangerous at night.
Most of the girls would not give BBBJ. This was a great disappointment for me. All used condoms for intercourse. Sex with the girls I would describe as being "ok". It is not as cold as some of the hardcore girls I met in Costa Rica but also not as exciting as the girls in Rio. I would give the Medellin girls a 6-7 out of 10 for performance but they also varied greatly. I did 3 girls from Lootrons and they were all as cold as a rock. On the other hand one street girl I was with was wild in the sack.
The Mansion was a little too hyper for me. There were lots of girls and lots of guys partying. If you like this type of environment then this is where you should go. Greg and the staff all helped out whenever possible. My only reason for leaving was the place was booked. There are also some very nice looking girls that can be found there although they are asking a lot of money. I prefer to find my own girls. The rooms in the mansion are livable but not great. But for the price it is a good place to stay especially for first timers. Overall I will be returning.
Club VIP is a much nicer house with more living space and very nice suites. Tom is a great guy who was very helpful but his partner Albert ruined the place for me. I do not want to start a soap opera over this but when I am paying for a service I expect it to be delivered. If it is not delivered I do not want to hear a bunch of lies as to why not. Several other people I met at VIP also think Albert is dead wood that should be cut loose but no sign of that yet. It is too bad though since the place has great potential and Tom is a swell guy, but I just cannot recommend it as long as Albert remains.
Outside of pussy hunting there really is not a lot to do in Medellin in the day time. One day we went to the rifle range and used machine guns and another day I went on a bus tour of the city. However, most days were spent hanging around the house or the shopping malls. There is no beach close by unless I wanted to fly one hour to Cartagena or Santa Marta.
Overall I enjoyed the trip. The girls were probably not as hot as I thought they would be. Many were very pretty to look at but seemed disinterested at times in anything but a quick fuck-and-run. I am 42 and speak passable Spanish. I think next time I will do more of a tour of Colombia from one city to the next. It is relatively cheap to fly from city to city so next time I hope to visit Cali, Bogota, Cartagena and Barranquilla as well.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
You summed it up nicely. Tom is got to do something to improve that place! He is a good guy and I hate to see him and his business go down.
Anyway, you mentioned that you might want to see Bogota in the future. I am going to be offering a couple rooms for possible in the Santa Barbara region in the December timeframe in my rented house there so keep it in mind. It will be nothing like the VIP or Mansion but it will be nice and private but that's a different thread at a different time....
BB
Sandman666
09-20-06, 01:17
Sandman had the same experience as I posted on the now Club VIP vs MM thread. Albert talks the talk but does not walk the walk.Albert goes out of his way to make it sound like he is so well "connected" in Medellin but when it comes time to deliver he just disappears. I talked to several people I met in Medellin who agree that he is just a big poser pretending to be a player. I heard lots of stories of him saying how he will arrange things and then just leaves everyone empty handed. He did that to the group I was with one night. When I confronted him in the morning he was saying that we never agreed to anything. He knew clearly that we had agreed to do some things and then stood everyone up. I am certainly not the only one who feels this. Tom on the other hand spends a lot of time trying to correct the mistakes that Albert makes. I just cannot understand why Tom keeps him as a junior partner when he is screwing up the whole business.
Sandman666
09-20-06, 01:18
You summed it up nicely. Tom is got to do something to improve that place! He is a good guy and I hate to see him and his business go down.
If Tom does not cut the fat off soon his game is over.
Nice report, I can only speak of Colombia and Mexico but you get what you pay for. I am 52 and I have had 3 proposals of marriage in 1.5 months. 20 plus girls so far, I am in good shape for 52 and I gues it doesnt hurt to have 9 inch nail. I tip good when the service is excellent and complain when the performance is no good! One thing I can say, they all try and rabbit fuck to hurry it up. I have no problem telling them ''No way'', try telling them what you want, if they do not comply, grudge fuc and run ,,, good luck in the future hunts! Try Blue Room , the girls there are pretty and the service was excellent.
When I speak about more than one thousand people kidnpapped every year that is sad but true, also several people known by me have been kidnapped living in rural zones.
Yes somebody say"only 10 gringos" in the least 3 years, less than in Miami, but I 'd like to know"Howe mane gringos every years are so mad to go in rural sides? Only a very few of them, of course no more than 1% of all grinos or european tourists go to travel for selva and rural side.All them remain in Cartagena, Islas del Rosario and other big towns.
Anyway if somebody wants is free to go to rural sides.I only advised people aboout risks. Nothing more.
Your are masters of your only life, y suerte!
The lowest I paid was 35,000 pesos in some run down *****house to 200,000 pesos for a girl in Face II. There were a couple girls in the Mansion I was with also but the best girls I found in Face II. Was the 200K at FaseII in-house or take home?
I did 3 girls from Lootrons and they were all as cold as a rock. On the other hand one street girl I was with was wild in the sack.I hate that happened at Loutrons. I was 2/3 on the yeehaw scale & 1/3 on I sure am glad I came to MDE. I think my 2nd best ride was on a street girl too. Did you see the new or old Loutrons? IF new, can you give us a rundown what it's like now?
Greg and the staff all helped out whenever possible. My only reason for leaving was the place was booked. LOL, I think this a regular occurrence.
One day we went to the rifle range and used machine guns. Did you get to shoot the SAW?
Thanks in advance(!)
"Durante todo el 2003, más de 2.300 personas secuestradas ( kIDNAPPED ) en Colombia.
Los tres grupos principales de secuestradores han sido los guerrilleros de izquierda, las organizaciones paramilitares de la extrema derecha y las bandas de delincuentes comunes, según las autoridades. Villaveces señaló que la cifra en 2004 es la menor en los últimos diez años."
Traduction is: 2300 KIDNAPPED IN 2003 ( these are only the people that police knows, cause offen family doesn't call cops)OFFEN THEY DO NOT , The article follw saying the responsible are guerrilla, paramilitars and mobgangs.
Escort King
09-20-06, 02:48
I read before I went down that four (4) people were kidnapped in 2005. In fact, I think I sent the article to a family member who thought I had lost my marbles and was going to be kidnapped.
I'm not one to prevent people from scaring others away from spectacular Colombia :) I practice it whole-heartedly on CRT in a joking manner before anyone wigs out, but ya gotta make it believable, like skinny, blonde hair, blue eyed guys are automatically targeted.
Hey in Australia they lose that many to sea creatures... Steve Irwin can attest to that!!!!
Hey who won the free week for the best name for Gregs Club.
Cabroncito
09-20-06, 06:04
Nice report Sandman. I spent a week at both VIP and MM last month as well as a few days at Castillo, and agree MM was the best. I did not mind the drama and partying at greg’s place as I tend to bore easily and could care less if a girl services me and then shacks up with another mansion guest (in fact I encouraged this, more time to seek out new opportunities.)
VIP was okay, but without getting into all the specifics Albert also over promised and under delivered. Nothing earth shattering, just a bunch of little things that I did not anticipate. Also, he almost sandbagged a little get together we arranged with a group of ladies in the house. Fortunately, Tom straightened things out and we had a good time.
Without a doubt, Tom is great guy who went out of his way to make me feel at home. If he gets his guest activities and staff dialed in right, he could have a great venue to offer down the road..
In terms of the city, overall my expectations were too high before I arrived in Medellin. I found the air pollution terrible even coming from coastal So Cal., in fact much worse than my visit to Bangkok for Songkran this Spring.. Perhaps I just hit a bad spell, as it did not rain the whole time I was there, but coughing phlegm while pounding the farts out of a little Paisita was not my idea of vacation bliss. True, they clean up the garbage in the morning, but in the daytime on several occasions I saw guys pissing in the middle of the sidewalk in Poblado. This is typical latin America so no big deal, but I was a little surprised after reading all the posts about how beautiful and cosmopolitan this part of the city is.. I suppose any city that is suffering from widespread urban blight has a few environs that are less unsightly than others.
Taken as a whole, I would say the noise, traffic, smoggy soup combined with thin air due to the elevation, and poor taxi/restaurant service, was comparable to life in Mexico City (ie not one of my top travel destinations). Also, spending part of the trip during the flower festival (in reality I saw more dirty hotdog vendors than flowers) was an unfortunate mistake as it made getting anywhere other than by foot virtually impossible at times.
Nevertheless the situation was quite a bit better at night. My typical routine was eat breakfast around noon, hit the gym, and then nap until dinner time. This left plenty of time to focus on a few of the more pleasurable activities the city has to offer in the evening.
I visited San Diego and Luetron once and passed on both without hesitation. Selection and service were not up to my standards.. Street scene was excellent, although a little unpredictable from one day to the next (hey what do you expect on the street..) Did many semi pros arranged via the phone (cell phone very important if you are staying more than a day or two).
Many of the Paisas are very kind and affectionate, but from my experience you need to spend a little time with bs chit chat, ect. And a few cocktails will go a long way in many cases. In fact, bring some raggaeton music, gringo porn, and sex toys and they might be saying “papito don’t leave me” by the end of the night !
One the other hand, if you belch out “cuanto cuesta por favor” when she arrives, or have one hand on your laptop Spanish-english translator, like one well intended fellow at the mansion, don’t expect to be treated like a Marc Anthony.
Although my Spanish is quite good, I have to confess though by the end of the trip I found exchanging all the niceties taxing (similar to dating gringas and Latinas in the states), and settled for a few more businesslike transactions (again Chicas pre-arranged on the phone.). Also, I don’t do any bareback stuff so bj’s ect, were not a problem for me. But if that is your thing, you may be disappointed.
Anyhow will be paying Coach a visit again next month.
Colombia is spectacular when you get outside of the city as witnessed on a few day trips. Hope to see more on future travels.
If anyone will be at the MM late oct - early nov, drop me a note !
El cabron
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Aussie Greg
09-20-06, 11:48
Medellin Mansion, 8 out of 10.
I can live woth thet, thets not a bad scare, I wish my skool repert was lickthat !!!!
Aussie ¨the coach¨ Greg.
Yes somebody say"only 10 gringos" in the least 3 years, less than in Miami, but I 'd like to know"Howe mane gringos every years are so mad to go in rural sides? Only a very few of them, of course no more than 1% of all grinos or european tourists go to travel for selva and rural side.All them remain in Cartagena, Islas del Rosario and other big towns.Of course most gringos don't go outside the cities.
Thats the point I'm trying to make here, to quote THOUSANDS of kidnappings on a board full of mostly gringito mongers suggests that kidnapping is a problem for guys going to the prime mongering areas and that is just misleading.
But, please folks, go ahead and believe that its very dangerous down there because prices are going up all over the place and it would be really nice for me if some of the demand falls off over the next few years.
To give you an idea, Loutron was 80K when I first went there in Dec 2003, now its more like 150k. Plus, the peso has gone from over 2800/1 to less than 2400/1, overall thats double the price in less than 3 years.
When you add in the girls getting jaded by so much gringo activity, medellin is becoming the last great thing and maybe its time to start looking for the next.
Sailor2006
09-20-06, 22:48
Ricker,
Tell your brother I said hello, I have been playing alot of chess games. (Tino)
Its not really fair to compare the places they offer diffrent services/atmopshere despite what anyone says. One is 100% party, the other is a really nice place to stay. The services offered by greg are better when it comes to rooms, I mean he goes from budget to luxary on the same block 40 dollar rooms to 100 dollar rooms, he works with people on some discounts for montly stays, greg and robert def. Go out of there way to show people a good time, he will take you out to clubs, ***** houses ect. My view of toms place is that its not the place to go if you need girls brought to you, now gregs place has plenty of girls hanging around, they come pretty much every day of the week and they vary from so so to down right hotties, they do have low opinons of gringos, thats why they ask/charge so much (the girls didn't find out I spoke spanish till week 2) I personally refuse to pay 200K for a pop. I have paid 200K for all night, and I have paid 150K for an hour or so. I think anywhere from 80K to 150K is fair. I mean Lutron and false dose is only about 160K and that is supposed to be the highest price MP place around, and those girls don't even get to keep all of that money, and then some girl at the mansion thinks she can get 200K a pop, something is not right, that occured also at VIP, Columbian women are pretty but they have a dark side and will overcharge you if you left them. I have seen alot more of this type of girl at the Mansion, becuase very few working girls go to the VIP again its not that type of place. It kinda sucks becuase those that can afford to pay that much raise the price alittle for those cheap bastards like me. But anywaz both places are nice and they offer diff. Services if you wanna party, and have women everywhere and other like minded guys around Gregs place is for you. If your looking for something toned down, try VIP. I can't wait to go back to columbia, regardless of where I stay. Hopefully my own apartment if things work out.
To give you an idea, Loutron was 80K when I first went there in Dec 2003, now its more like 150k. Plus, the peso has gone from over 2800/1 to less than 2400/1, overall thats double the price in less than 3 years.
When you add in the girls getting jaded by so much gringo activity, medellin is becoming the last great thing and maybe its time to start looking for the next.This isn't so much to Shafty as to anyone, but why is it that gringo activity makes the girls jaded? If say, lots-o-italians show up, do the girls still get jaded? or any nationality for that matter. And why wouldn't they get jaded from the job whether it's locals, gringos or whoever?
If the price for Loutron girls would have been 80k when I went, I think my dick would have fallen off before I left. Is there a higher quality or higher quantity of available girls now vs three years ago? Meaning has the higher price in the market brought anything positive for the consumer?
Sandman666
09-21-06, 11:54
Or maybe he just had a lucky night with you? I have met far too many people who have stayed at Club VIP that are pissed off with him to think he just had a bad night with my group. Stories of missed airport pickups he was suppose to arrange, double bookings on rooms in VIP, him not showing up for events, him taking off leaving people stranded at clubs, making promises he cannot keep, saying he will provide girls when he cannot and other things.
I suggest that before you post about your one experience that you ask around a bit since there is no shortage of people who will tell you their bad experiences with Albert.
Guys,
I have hung with albert and he has come thru more than once, My novia and i went out one knight with albert during a holiday event, and no joke there were at least a hundred people waiting to get into mangos . After parking in the front row We went to the front of the line where albert was greeted and we were escorted in and given a reserved table maybe he just had an off knight we cant be 100% all the time
the x
For the travelers out there, Beware. I researched banks with connections before I made my trek to Colombia and found only 1 bank common to the USA and Colombia. Citibank, I opened an account and deposited my 4 months of budget, what a mistake. Citibank here is an affiliate not really a full branch, services are limited and they locked out my pin number twice for requesting more than 300, 000 pesos, less than 125. 00 US. After 15 phone calls to the USA, It took 18 days and UPS and DHL letters to resolve the issue with the pin, 18 days with no availability to use my funds. I now have a Cedula and Banc of Colombia account so next time I will wire in the funds. Debit cards carry high transaction and foreign exchange fees, cash advance on credit cards are even worse. I use the credit card when available for transactions, but I do not know if there is a better way than cash or wire transfer if you have an account here. Just a word up.
TICASONAR .... higher prices are just that ... higher prices.
With your nickname here, "Ticasonar" .... I imagine you know San Jose, Costa Rica ... and the Ticas.
Have the higher prices there benefitied the consumer? ... creo que NO ... and the quality of chica / service has deteriorated not gotten better.
Still fun ... still hot chicas ... just more expensive in Medellin now and of course, if you hit the "usual spots" now, the chicas are not as enthusiastic towards gringos as before except for the their wallets.
The SANDMAN and CABRONCITO sum it up pretty well in their recent reports.
Suerte Amigos!
World Travel 69
09-21-06, 20:19
I don't get it. If you have an Citibank ATM Credit Card you can you it at most ATMs. The fees are part of business. Accept it.
Venezuela's Maximum is less. So I had too go to the ATM more often. Big deal.
In Venezuela my Citibank Card was copied and used for US$5,800. I used 8 times at Big Hotels and travel agents. But I also used Mechanics Bank and Washington Mutual at the ATMs which were not copied.
Pass this on, if the Master Card and the Visa Cards Companies required Pin numbers and not Signatures there would be no coping of Credit Cards that worked. Are the CEOs and credit managers of Visa and Master Card banks asleep?
For the travelers out there, Beware. I researched banks with connections before I made my trek to Colombia and found only 1 bank common to the USA and Colombia. Citibank, I opened an account and deposited my 4 months of budget, what a mistake. Citibank here is an affiliate not really a full branch, services are limited and they locked out my pin number twice for requesting more than 300, 000 pesos, less than 125. 00 US. After 15 phone calls to the USA, It took 18 days and UPS and DHL letters to resolve the issue with the pin, 18 days with no availability to use my funds. I now have a Cedula and Banc of Colombia account so next time I will wire in the funds. Debit cards carry high transaction and foreign exchange fees, cash advance on credit cards are even worse. I use the credit card when available for transactions, but I do not know if there is a better way than cash or wire transfer if you have an account here. Just a word up.
Cabroncito
09-21-06, 20:50
Chipper you are right, I did not open a citibank account for the reason you mentioned. Most of the international branches are not affiliated with the US for personal banking needs. They cater to business clients and the high fees you were subject to are really just there way of saying they do not need your business.
Go to a local or national coop bank. I pay about a dollar for atm/debit transactions (interbank exchange rate, ie no currency conversion fee), and 1% for credit card transaction. Your big full service banks will charge quite a bit more.
EC
For the travelers out there, Beware. I researched banks with connections before I made my trek to Colombia and found only 1 bank common to the USA and Colombia. Citibank, I opened an account and deposited my 4 months of budget, what a mistake. Citibank here is an affiliate not really a full branch, services are limited and they locked out my pin number twice for requesting more than 300, 000 pesos, less than 125. 00 US. After 15 phone calls to the USA, It took 18 days and UPS and DHL letters to resolve the issue with the pin, 18 days with no availability to use my funds. I now have a Cedula and Banc of Colombia account so next time I will wire in the funds. Debit cards carry high transaction and foreign exchange fees, cash advance on credit cards are even worse. I use the credit card when available for transactions, but I do not know if there is a better way than cash or wire transfer if you have an account here. Just a word up.
Most folks just use an ATM card from a foreign bank with no or low ATM fees. Wait until you try to wire money to your Colombian account. You could be in for a big surprise when they freeze the assets if they suspect money laundering.
Very few Colombian ATMs will give more than 300-400K per transaction. Davivienda gives 500K.
With your nickname here, "Ticasonar" .... I imagine you know San Jose, Costa Rica ... and the Ticas. One trip to CR. One to MDE. I'm a noob looking for answers so I don't repeat mistakes.
Have the higher prices there benefitied the consumer? ... creo que NO ... and the quality of chica / service has deteriorated not gotten better.
Still fun ... still hot chicas ... just more expensive in Medellin now and of course, if you hit the "usual spots" now, the chicas are not as enthusiastic towards gringos as before except for the their wallets.This is what I don't understand...if they're making more money, why aren't they more enthusiastic to see a gringo? Asking for curiosity and wondering if/how this effects negotiations.
The SANDMAN and CABRONCITO sum it up pretty well in their recent reports.I agree, they are awesome posts...I just can't help myself from asking questions. Thanks for taking the time to help a noob out :)
And why wouldn't they get jaded from the job whether it's locals, gringos or whoever?Yes, they like everyone else generally tends to get jaded about a job they do everyday. Lets remember that on this board we don't care whether they are jaded about locals or whoever we only care about how they treat guys from other places like the US and europe.
When I first went there 3 years ago it was a big deal that I was from the US and my limited spanish was put to the test with every encounter. The paisas were usually very excited to meet and be with me and my other gringo friends.
As they meet more and more gringos the shine wears off and it becomes old hat, kinda like I imagine it is with the locals, if they can still afford the skyrocketing prices.
You can still have a great time down there, don't get me wrong, and I still do every single time, but it takes more effort and costs more.
Hey TICASonar
Hey amigo ... there's lots of factors with the chicas becoming jaded as they say.
As more gringos show up and see these Paisas ... the chicas of course are delighted that the gringos are coming with their money.
In a nutshell ... just like in CRica ... as the hot chicas see how guys lust after them and offer / bid against other gringos for their "loving", they see that they can make mucha plata without having to work as hard .... there's always another gringo around the corner.
This, in combo with guys promising them things / lying to them like most guys do (me too at times) ... they become accustomed to the gringo and see them as $$.
Of couse this is a generalization ... there are guys with better social / communication skills, better looks, etc ... that adds chemistry to the situation.
There are without a doubt still great chicas in Colombia / Medellin ... I'm talking about the chicas that frequent the "gringo hangouts" ... guys willing to explore, catch the diamonds.
Suerte!
Sandman666
09-22-06, 22:16
Yes, I agree that Club VIP has better accomidations than the other places including the mansion. I stated that in my original post. I also think there is room for improvement in the mansion on a few things. However, the bottom line is I will spend my money next time at the mansion and not at Club VIP.
I am not sure why you are supporting Albert with such open arms when several other people are talking about all the negative experiences with him. Perhaps you gave Albert some money or he thinks he can in the future obtain money from you? It is very commonly known that Albert is broke and loves kissing the ass of people who he thinks he can get money from. I do not know what you did to get that great service you keep talking about but for the rest of us it has been taxis that do not show up, being abandoned at clubs, unexpected charges on our bills, having to leave the house on an earlier date since the booking was messed up as well as other things.
I am here offering constructive criticism. I would love for Club VIP to be more than it is. I am a firm believer in competition and think that it would be great if there were several houses all competing for our gringo dollars. Perhaps in the future Club VIP will be better. It has great potential with great rooms, a nice location and Tom.
But when I am stranded at the airport for an hour waiting for a taxi that does not show up I expect some sort of reasonable explaination other than to be told I never booked the taxi when the person telling me this is the same person who assured me a taxi would be there.
Maybe it was a lucky night, but as it states in the post it was not the only one.
I suggest you re read my post before you make any more suggestions.
Maybe he did fail you and then maybe your personalities just clashed, Either way the VIP still stands above when it comes to acomodations.
VipMedellin
09-22-06, 23:17
I would first of all like to apologize if I caused you any headaches or problems.
I do not know who you are or why you have to be so disrespectful and say things like and I will quote you "Albert is Broke" let me start by saying that I I do own my own home, farm and an Institute in Poblado area and everyhthing that I have is free of any debts so perhaps you are mistaken. Second you are writing as if I had ofended you or you are out to destroy me if there was something that I did to you please let me know and I promise you here on this board as my witness come back to V.I.P and I will make it up to you.
The comments that you or anybody has are very important to me and V.I.P.
I am not perfect nor close to perfect we are a company that recently opened and we are in the process of making it better I do agree that I have been quite busy with this new venture and perhaps I did not service everybody as they should have been serviced again my apologies to those that I caused trouble I would love to invite you guys back and show you that V.I.P each day will be bettter all I ask is please not be ofensive or disrespectful there are ways of aying things.
Thank you very much.
Sincerly,
Albert Licht
BeersTerry
09-23-06, 00:47
Sandman, I think many of us had similar experiences as you. I know a few of the people posting that were there at the same time as I. We've all not posted any details (more or less) as we do not want to disintegrate this thing into a shit fest.
Lets hope that Albert takes the attitude that, he will pick up his game and not take the attitude that those guys don't know what they are talking about.
Sandman666
09-23-06, 03:58
Let me reach into my pocket and pull out a hanky.
Oh yes, you apologize now that this is in a public forum! But what about the conversation we had at VIP? Totally different than this indeed!
Me: What happened to my taxi?
Albert: What taxi?
Me: The one you said would pick me up!
Albert: You never asked for a taxi.
Me: Yes, I did. It was you I spoke with on the phone.
Albert: You did not say you wanted a taxi.
Me: Yes I did, I told you the arrival time and flight number. You assured me it would be there.
Albert: You must have been talking to someone else.
Me: Is there someone else here named Albert who speaks English?
Albert: No
Me: Then it was you!
Albert: If you asked for a taxi then I would have sent one.
Me: I did! You confirmed it! Now you are denying I talked to you?
Anyway, this stupid conversation went around in circles. Albert messed up my taxi and instead of admitting it just pretended he did not know anything about it.
This is only one example of mistakes that happened.
Of course now that I call him on this in public he changes his tune.
I would first of all like to apologize if I caused you any headaches or problems.
I do not know who you are or why you have to be so disrespectful and say things like and I will quote you "Albert is Broke" let me start by saying that I I do own my own home, farm and an Institute in Poblado area and everyhthing that I have is free of any debts so perhaps you are mistaken. Second you are writing as if I had ofended you or you are out to destroy me if there was something that I did to you please let me know and I promise you here on this board as my witness come back to V.I.P and I will make it up to you.
The comments that you or anybody has are very important to me and V.I.P.
I am not perfect nor close to perfect we are a company that recently opened and we are in the process of making it better I do agree that I have been quite busy with this new venture and perhaps I did not service everybody as they should have been serviced again my apologies to those that I caused trouble I would love to invite you guys back and show you that V.I.P each day will be bettter all I ask is please not be ofensive or disrespectful there are ways of aying things.
Thank you very much.
Sincerly,
Albert Licht
Why does everyone want to slam Albert, I have had freinds stay at VIP and its all good, people who expect to have the ass lickin service deserve to be let down. I learned early on that if you want anything extra than go after it! If you want extras or favors cough up some '' Propina'' You cheap guys stay dissapointed, I tip well and have no Problem, either they want my extra bucks for the xtra service or they don't! Give the guy a break, he apologized if he let anyone down, he explained his faults, and I bet not one of you will apologize to him for slamming his work!
Sandman666
09-23-06, 19:23
What the hell are you talking about? This has absolutely NOTHING do to with myself being cheap or not tipping. The fact of the matter is I am a very generous person. With Albert I paid for a service, more than once, and it was not delivered.
I am going to let this drop now. But if Albert has the gull to come on here again and act like he is doing a professional job then I will post every single problem that happened at VIP in complete detail.
Why does everyone want to slam Albert, I have had freinds stay at VIP and its all good, people who expect to have the ass lickin service deserve to be let down. I learned early on that if you want anything extra than go after it! If you want extras or favors cough up some '' Propina'' You cheap guys stay dissapointed, I tip well and have no Problem, either they want my extra bucks for the xtra service or they don't! Give the guy a break, he apologized if he let anyone down, he explained his faults, and I bet not one of you will apologize to him for slamming his work!
VipMedellin
09-23-06, 19:29
Pictures of Vip good times.
Sailor2006
09-23-06, 23:20
Let it go, you don't like the place, then don't go, it's as easy as that, you don't have to cont. to bash the place over and over again, and attack the operator. This is the VIP thread, so hes going to post things on it. As toward the service, I have been out with Tom and Albert and they seem to be doing a fine job, Albert knows Columbia, well enough and he looks out for the people around him, he took me to some clubs I have never even heard of, he is well connected always given VIP treatment at clubs. We all have issues with service at the places we stay, doesnt give us the right to talk shit about some one personally. Plus lets not kid anyone here having to look out for mongering gringos, going all over town to clubs, bars and ***** houses can't be an easy job especially in Columbia and with some gringos that can't even speak spanish, Tom, Greg, Albert, Robert you can keep that job, whatever they pay you or whatever you make its probly not enough, cuase I know all it takes is one time, there are not many second chances in columbia.
Aussie Greg
09-24-06, 15:13
Gentlemen,
Another Mansion Pool Party this afernoon !!!! more chickers with big titties.
Aussie Greg
MiamiHeatLuver
09-24-06, 15:21
second chances in columbia. Where in South Carolina? LOL
I hope that we can get back to the reporting I look frwd. To now. Sorry Sandman666 if I upset you, everyone has an opinion, I just did not agree with you're opinion. I live here in Envigado and got tired of the drive and the Strip Club scene real quick, I have been to Blue Room and was very satisfied with the service and overall cleaniness and set up kinda oriental, [ after 2 tours of Nam I like oriental]. Can someone give me an update on '' Energy''. They give the business cards at Blue Room for Energy as well, do they present like blue room? Cost, about the same? Girls 6 to 10 like blue room, just a recent report please.
Thanks,
Chipper
If you don't know very well Colombia, or you have not got a very trust's friend or your family colombian maybe is better that you do not think to have good bought in Colombia, cause erevrybody, colombian or foreigner livin' there think only about howe to take your money ripping off you, cause they consider that you are a dum gringos that will acept to overpay everithing, maybe you are intellingent byt they try to take your money proposing you overpriced services and overpriced houses and farms. Anyway you pay les than in Europe or USA but never the true price if you do not have a very good contact or your family there.
Prices in Medellin have at least doubled in the last couple of years in all of the cat houses, although you can still get girls off the street around san-diego and behind the museum for cheap. As Ricker stated this is no doubt due to the ever increasing amount of gringos coming down.
Although, I am not really sure why prices have increased to the extent that they have because for instance in Thailand tons of sex tourists come every year and the prices have not really increased that drastically.
Reports on this forum and the the marketing efforts by Greg, Robert, and Vip have certainly contributed to price increases and maybe the girls being more jaded.
While I do think Medellin is a nice city, it is not anywhere close to say Buenos Aires, which is one of the nicest cites in the World, and believe it or not CHEAPER then any major city in Colombia. Outside of the small Poblado area and parts of laureles the rest of the city is a dump, with very poor areas occupying the majority of the city.
I also find that while certainly the girls in Medellin are attractive, they are not the most beautiful girls in all of Colombia as some would lead you to believe. I have lived in Cali, Medellin, and spent much time in Perria, Armania, Manizales and Bucarmanga, and found just as many attractive women in these cites as In Medellin so a lot of it is just hype.
VipMedellin
09-25-06, 01:27
I wanted to let you guys know that I am having a halloween pool party fo those of you who are interested you can email me your questions to [Email address deleted by Admin]
Thank you
Albert Licht
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VipMedellin
09-25-06, 01:31
Just wanted to say Hi and of course I have room for another boat or anything else that you need.
Hope to see ya soon when you get in town please gi9ve me a call and we will go have a drink and by the way thanks for the good comments that you wrote.
Albert Licht
Aussie Greg
09-25-06, 02:48
Jman,
Please advise the ¨marketing efforts by Greg and Robert¨ this will be interesting !!
Aussie Greg.
Prices in Medellin have at least doubled in the last couple of years in all of the cat houses, although you can still get girls off the street around san-diego and behind the museum for cheap. As Ricker stated this is no doubt due to the ever increasing amount of gringos coming down.
Although, I am not really sure why prices have increased to the extent that they have because for instance in Thailand tons of sex tourists come every year and the prices have not really increased that drastically.
Reports on this forum and the the marketing efforts by Greg, Robert, and Vip have certainly contributed to price increases and maybe the girls being more jaded.
While I do think Medellin is a nice city, it is not anywhere close to say Buenos Aires, which is one of the nicest cites in the World, and believe it or not CHEAPER then any major city in Colombia. Outside of the small Poblado area and parts of laureles the rest of the city is a dump, with very poor areas occupying the majority of the city.
I also find that while certainly the girls in Medellin are attractive, they are not the most beautiful girls in all of Colombia as some would lead you to believe. I have lived in Cali, Medellin, and spent much time in Perria, Armania, Manizales and Bucarmanga, and found just as many attractive women in these cites as In Medellin so a lot of it is just hype.
Hi Greg,
By "marketing efforts" I am simply reffering to anything you would do to market the service you provide. Wether it be your web site, posting photos/reports on this site, your weekly parties, word of mouth by former clients etc. etc. All in all really anything you do to promote your business.
Its obvious the majority of your customers are sex tourists coming to Colombia to shag as many girls as humanly possible and hey, more power to them. Regardless every customer of your business that I have spoken to have all said you run a fine service. I have also met Robert a few times and he is a fine gentlemen.
In the other post I was not trying to bring any negativity to your business, only stating that there is a corolation drawn to the number of sex tourists coming to Medellin and the prices of sex going up.
Sailor2006
09-25-06, 04:53
I agree with your insight jman, and you bring up some good points, I was looking over at the be. A. Argintina threads and the number one topic was "prices" inflation of pussy. Price is a big deal to many people especially if your stay is longer then a week, 50K price hike over 30 days adds up. Your point about the asian sex markets are right on the money. The price hike isnt seen as much there, however the western prices are there, in singapore I saw many little sex shops hike prices from 40Sing to 80Sing becuase of the color of your skin, also orchard towers prices are insane, but negotation is possible, in columbia I have seen girls walk away from a payday becuase there price is not met, they would rather have no money then less money or the hopes that some one will meet there price. To me this doesnt make any sense. Places with set prices like False dose, lutron for instant also charge the girl for the room "houses cut" so they make less money and might even be on salary, but it takes away the ablity for them to be bitches even though they try by asking for a tip. I had some chick (false II) even ask me for a tip after shity sex (she kept holding my dick with her fingers trying to slide me into her becuase she was scared the rubber would break) she thought I was an idoit, and wanted to squeez money out of me. I tend to think I have some skills at "talking to the ladies about price" I speak decent spanish but I def. Have had issues with some of the columbian ladies. Price increase isnt gregs fualt, or any owners fault, simply put we have to blame our selves for that one, every time a kid gets off the plane from the states, and the girls quote him a price, lets say 200K a pop, and he pays it for whatever reason she now thinks she can get that price, and I don't blame her, if some one was willing to pay you double your daily wage for the same work you wouldnt say no, nobody would. If fact you would probly call the guy paying you a fucking sucker and think him a fool. Which is what the ladies say too that and alot worse. As for there attitude or being jaded, my opinion is they look at us like cash cows, or walking ATMS, a stupid gringo in columbia for a week willing to over pay and give me 200K (a weeks pay to some people) to fuck me, yeah I am going to respect this guy, no I am going to take this shits money and go on my marry way. The only thing we can do as a community is spread the world help each other out, and establish a price, when the consumer decides to stop being desperate about the goods and service we pay for and says hold up here you want how much for that, maybe I can get something of equal value at a cheaper price some place eles. Then prices will go down. However this will only happen when the consumer comes to the conclusion that there is even a problem in the first place, to some 100 bucks for a tight ass, may not be alot of money, hell they might consider it a discount, but in my opinion 200K for a pop is high, greg recommends 150K to his guests, but takes no-part in talking to the lady in fact for the whole month I was there he only arranged for girls to come to the mansion I never heard him speak about money its all up to you, we are grown men after all. But maybe after a couple years in might be time for some house limits, we can't trust these women, we only want to fuck them not make sure they feed the whole block they live on and pay 8 years of college. Not our job, these free lance girls got it made, it bet there money is better then any lutron false II girl. And they fuck half as less.
Jesus, Sailor, did you ever hear of a paragraph?
The short-time visitor will generally pay more. I believe that it's pointless to blame and complain. The salad days of a hooker are short. If you don't like the price, shop. If, for some reason(maybe language), you can't shop, call Manuelito.
Aussie Greg
09-25-06, 12:30
Jman,
Thanks for your reply
Robert a fine gentlemen !!!! ask his ex wife !!!
The Aussie.
Hi Greg,
By "marketing efforts" I am simply reffering to anything you would do to market the service you provide. Wether it be your web site, posting photos/reports on this site, your weekly parties, word of mouth by former clients etc. etc. All in all really anything you do to promote your business.
Its obvious the majority of your customers are sex tourists coming to Colombia to shag as many girls as humanly possible and hey, more power to them. Regardless every customer of your business that I have spoken to have all said you run a fine service. I have also met Robert a few times and he is a fine gentlemen.
In the other post I was not trying to bring any negativity to your business, only stating that there is a corolation drawn to the number of sex tourists coming to Medellin and the prices of sex going up.
I asked for a report on energy 8 reports ago, please read my request down 8 or so reports and give me a good report on the Massage parlor scene, lurid details and all, he he he.
Thanks Chippeare
I asked for a report on energy 8 reports ago, please read my request down 8 or so reports and give me a good report on the Massage parlor scene, lurid details and all, he he he.
Thanks Chippeare
If nobody responded, it's because there are plenty of reports on Energy already. You just have to RTFF.
Gentlemen,
You guys that speak spanish and are world travelers. You must only shop at non-gringo joints. That way the girls will get hungry at the gringo-friendly establishments :) Then when none of you have died or been kidnapped, the rest of us can venture out and the prices will be deflated and the FaLse II (luv that name) manager can go sweep the streets.
On this topic. (I own up to making stu-u-u-pid mistakes the first day and a half until my savior started slapping me around.) How does the noob or the guy in for a weekend not screw up the 'going rate' and still grab a chica he wants.
Yes you were correct, upon scanning back 2 weeks there was a report of sorts, but I asked specific questions, but whatever, just thought I could get a recent update on specifics, thanks anyway.
I will post a detailed report upon completion of the mongering.
World Travel 69
09-26-06, 07:28
Aussie Greg:
I have been to Cartagena and Bogota. And to have been to Jackson's Mansion in BA. And also to many other Cuntries. Is there any reason for an old fucker to come to your Casa? Or am I toooo Old? Past 50. I have seen some of your photos. Are they there for all your parties? Are Your Chicas Cool to Old Snatch eaters?
Gentlemen,
How does the noob or the guy in for a weekend not screw up the 'going rate' and still grab a chica he wants.
It's your money and your time. If it's important to you to have a certain chica and you have the cash, fuck what anyone else thinks. Pay it.
I have had higher-priced chicas settle for what I offer when times are lean. Normally it's not important to me to nail every hottie. There are so many, and I only have so many bullets. But I will confess to having paid 150K for short-time once in CTG. She curled my toes. And I have had her 4 or 5 times since at 150K.
You need time to scout and shop. I picked up a street girl in MDE near Botero Plaza in Centro for 15K for short-time. I was staying at a chica-friendly hotel in the area so 15K was my total cost. She was sweet and did it all including video. And she never asked for a tip. The 15K, by the way, was her first answer to what she wanted "por un rato."
Aussie Greg
09-26-06, 12:58
I agree, pay what you think is best, its your life and money.
What ever makes you happy.
Aussie Greg.
It's your money and your time. If it's important to you to have a certain chica and you have the cash, fuck what anyone else thinks. Pay it.
I have had higher-priced chicas settle for what I offer when times are lean. Normally it's not important to me to nail every hottie. There are so many, and I only have so many bullets. But I will confess to having paid 150K for short-time once in CTG. She curled my toes. And I have had her 4 or 5 times since at 150K.
You need time to scout and shop. I picked up a street girl in MDE near Botero Plaza in Centro for 15K for short-time. I was staying at a chica-friendly hotel in the area so 15K was my total cost. She was sweet and did it all including video. And she never asked for a tip. The 15K, by the way, was her first answer to what she wanted "por un rato."
Aussie Greg
09-26-06, 13:02
World,
We just had our oldest guest stay with us, 86 !!!! and he liked them young to !!!!18 - 20 !!!!! year olds, he also played golf every second day also, he wanted to take them all back to the States !!!!!
He also booked his next stay next month, lets hope he lives that long !!!!!
The Aussie.
Aussie Greg:
I have been to Cartagena and Bogota. And to have been to Jackson's Mansion in BA. And also to many other Cuntries. Is there any reason for an old fucker to come to your Casa? Or am I toooo Old? Past 50. I have seen some of your photos. Are they there for all your parties? Are Your Chicas Cool to Old Snatch eaters?
I went to Medellin for the first time Sept. 12 to Sept. 19. I had a great time with only one problem. The problem happened Sunday Sept. 17. I had been in Mde for five full days and I had been all over town so I felt very safe. On Sunday things are a little slow but a few places are open. I went to a place called New Life at 1: 00 PM and had a very good experience with a black skinned girl. Then I went over to the central area of town and had a few beers in a bar and checked out the girls working the street. I didn't see anything I liked so I moved on to a nicer area of town and went by a place named Samsara. I noticed the front door was open so I went into the place. I had been to this place earlier in the week and had an okay experience. When I entered I noticed a Colombian man about 30 sitting with three Chicas. They had a large bottle of rum sitting on the table in front of them and of course coke and ice. It looked like a private party and I thought maybe they were not open after all. The male called me over as I was about to leave. He told me he was the owner and the girls were his employees. He invited me to join them for a drink when he found out I was a tourist. They started pouring drinks for me and we talked for a while. One of the chicas sat on the arm of my chair. The male after a while offered to show me how to latin dance. We did that for a while and kept drinking the rum. The male wanted me to go with one of the girls and it sounded like he was offering the services for free. I wasn't interest since I had been with a girl earllier and the girls didn't appeal to me. I told the male I wasn't interested because I had been with a woman earlier. He kept insisting and I kept refusing. They kept pouring the rum for me and I started thinking they were trying to get me drunk or maybe even trying to slip me a mickey. I told the male I was getting tired and that I had to leave. He insisted I stay. I told no I had to go. I got up and went to the door and it was locked. It was the type door you had to be buzzed out from behind the bar. I asked the male to open the door and he said no. We went back and forth and he continued to refuse to let me leave. To make a long story short after a while I got angryl and tryed to force the door open. The police immediately arrived. The officer took my wallet and my digital camera which I had with me. He took all the money out of the wallet. The male and the three chicas started yelling and screaming and pointing at me acting like I tryed to kill them. The police took me out and put me in the jail, drunk tank with 10 Colombianos. The next morning I was released without fine but my money was gone and according to the police I had prohibited photos and I couldn't have my camera back. I had about five photos of girls in 25 year age range that were partially nude, ass and tit shots only. I didn't care I just wanted to get away from that place so I didn't make a issue of the money or camera. Those are the bare facts. I thought later maybe they wanted me to pay for the drinks but they never asked me for any money. The police got there very fast when I tryed to get out. All most like they were waiting outside the door. I think I just ran into an asshole who had a little influence with the police that wanted to jack me around for some reason. I think I called him a pussy for calling the police. That probably didn't help. This won't stop me from going back because I had a great time and I met a lot of very nice people. Hell even the guys in the drunk tank treated me okay. They did bust my balls for awhile since I was the first gringo they had seen in jail. The balls busting was good natured so I didn't do anything but laugh with them.
Wmb774
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We just had our oldest guest stay with us, 86 !!!! and he liked them young to !!!!18 - 20 !!!!! year olds, he also played golf every second day also, he wanted to take them all back to the States!That beats the 76 yo who played tennis every day when I was there. That homeboy loved his tennis and loved his girlies, and they sho nuf seemed to like him, at least from the pics I saw :) and he was no spring chicken to the mongering scene either.
This post is totally unbelievable. The police in Medellin would definitely not take someone down in this manner. They are professional and would never take you back to the station to be with "10 Colombians". Some might ask for a small bribe on the street but there is absolutely no way you would get brought back to the station unless you did something seriously wrong. They have no interested in messing with tourists and if you were brought to the station the captain would have made sure it was for a very legitimate charge. Whoever wrote this is just trying to get a reaction from the members of the board. Perhaps he is trying to scare people away so he can get the pussy? Or is this just another free user with too much time on his hands?
I went to Medellin for the first time Sept. 12 to Sept. 19. I had a great time with only one problem. The problem happened Sunday Sept. 17. I had been in Mde for five full days and I had been all over town so I felt very safe. On Sunday things are a little slow but a few places are open. I went to a place called New Life at 1: 00 PM and had a very good experience with a black skinned girl. Then I went over to the central area of town and had a few beers in a bar and checked out the girls working the street. I didn't see anything I liked so I moved on to a nicer area of town and went by a place named Samsara. I noticed the front door was open so I went into the place. I had been to this place earlier in the week and had an okay experience. When I entered I noticed a Colombian man about 30 sitting with three Chicas. They had a large bottle of rum sitting on the table in front of them and of course coke and ice. It looked like a private party and I thought maybe they were not open after all. The male called me over as I was about to leave. He told me he was the owner and the girls were his employees. He invited me to join them for a drink when he found out I was a tourist. They started pouring drinks for me and we talked for a while. One of the chicas sat on the arm of my chair. The male after a while offered to show me how to latin dance. We did that for a while and kept drinking the rum. The male wanted me to go with one of the girls and it sounded like he was offering the services for free. I wasn't interest since I had been with a girl earllier and the girls didn't appeal to me. I told the male I wasn't interested because I had been with a woman earlier. He kept insisting and I kept refusing. They kept pouring the rum for me and I started thinking they were trying to get me drunk or maybe even trying to slip me a mickey. I told the male I was getting tired and that I had to leave. He insisted I stay. I told no I had to go. I got up and went to the door and it was locked. It was the type door you had to be buzzed out from behind the bar. I asked the male to open the door and he said no. We went back and forth and he continued to refuse to let me leave. To make a long story short after a while I got angryl and tryed to force the door open. The police immediately arrived. The officer took my wallet and my digital camera which I had with me. He took all the money out of the wallet. The male and the three chicas started yelling and screaming and pointing at me acting like I tryed to kill them. The police took me out and put me in the jail, drunk tank with 10 Colombianos. The next morning I was released without fine but my money was gone and according to the police I had prohibited photos and I couldn't have my camera back. I had about five photos of girls in 25 year age range that were partially nude, ass and tit shots only. I didn't care I just wanted to get away from that place so I didn't make a issue of the money or camera. Those are the bare facts. I thought later maybe they wanted me to pay for the drinks but they never asked me for any money. The police got there very fast when I tryed to get out. All most like they were waiting outside the door. I think I just ran into an asshole who had a little influence with the police that wanted to jack me around for some reason. I think I called him a pussy for calling the police. That probably didn't help. This won't stop me from going back because I had a great time and I met a lot of very nice people. Hell even the guys in the drunk tank treated me okay. They did bust my balls for awhile since I was the first gringo they had seen in jail. The balls busting was good natured so I didn't do anything but laugh with them.
Wmb774
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Cabroncito
09-27-06, 04:49
I went through the same fiasco in Mexico one time. Cab driver in cahoots with the cops, and resulted in a the night in the powkie with my roomate. Had to have someone bail us out and my friend got some type of parasitic skin infection (no baño), but no big deal.. Glad it did not tarnish your outlook of Colombia.
Most of latin america is corrupt. Medellin is certainly no exception.
Spikej,
I am sorry you don't believe my story. I am embarrassed actually about the whole situation. I am a retired police officer and I had identification to verify that point when I was arrested. I identified myself to the aresting officer and to the officers at the jail. In the USA I would not have been put in a cell with the general population. They would have islolated me. I never saw a captain or any supervisor for that matter.
At the time of my arrest the policeman never asked me what happened he was only interested in the contents of me pockets. My Spanish is limited so I would only assume the officer believe what the Colombiano told him.
My last point is if I did something so serious why was there no fine the next morning. Why did I not go before a judge for charging of a serious offense. They just let me go.
Oh one other thing young men in Colombia have to do 2 years service to the government. Many are used as police so the whole police department are not professional police officers. As least this is what I have been told. The one who arested me was not a professional. I came to this conclusion for a number of reasons. One he allowed me to follow behind him to his car not hand cluffed. This is very unusual since a professional officers would have cluffed me and not allowed me behind me. At his car he put me in the front passenger seat again not cluffed and we drove off. Again a professional officers would not have done this. He did not have a hand gun only a night stick. I wonder why.
I still don't know why I was put in jail other than trying to break down the door to get out. As I said I did call the owner a pussy a few times which I am sure did not help.
As for trying to scare other mongers I was only reporting what happened from my prespective. If you what to disregard this story fine.
Wmb774
I have been in Colombia / Medellin/for a few months now,and before all thru out the country from Cartagena to Calda and numerous departmentos around Bogota.The story about Samsara is corrupt to say the least, 1, why did you go to Samsara, then when offered the Girls you decline saying you already had some action earlier? 2, Why would you say you got drunk there when I have a strong feeling you were already drunk before you arrived, 3, What the fuc were you doing alone if you dont live here? 4, The cops here are Gringo savy enough to not put you in a cell with the population , a fine, and realease would be the norm if you fucd up. I for one am not buying this story. Please lets stay Positive ob Colombia,, thye have had enough bad press without making up shit.
Chipper
Cabroncito
09-27-06, 17:04
Spike,
Third world cops earn third world (ie poverty) wages. Without multiple income streams they could not realistically provide for their families. If they did everything above the table how much of this tourist income do you think would actually reach there pockets. I don't think police corruption in Medellin is worse than other cities with similiar economic circumstances, but remember this is not the primer mundo. I saw a thing on Caracol a few months ago where they shut down a big racket where you could literally pay to have your court/police records destroyed if you were pending trial on serious charges. Guys were dressing up like lawyers and paying multas to the court clerks. They showed the whole thing captured on a security camera. Pretty humorous/embarrassing.
Or maybe you are right this guy did not get laid because the 86 yr old at Gregs stole all of his women !
Jchipper,
I sorry I did not go into all the fine details of what happened but I can answer a few of your doubts. First of all I am a loner and usually don't travel with others. I just like my own company. The reason I was at Samara the afternoon was a fluke. I was going to Abydos where I had been earlier in the week. I thought the girl I was with said they were open on Sunday. They were not. I was walking by Samara and there door was open so I went into the place. I wasn't in the area headed there at all. The reason I refused to take a chica when offered was the girls were not that attractive.
I feel stupid that this happened. I am an experienced traveller. I have been to Bogota twice and the same for Cartagena. I have been to PI once and to Thailand about 20 times. I have been to Rio and Lima, Peru. Also numerous trips to Costa Rica. I have been all over Mexico. I have never been in jail in my life. I am sixty one years old so I don't think I have a testosterone problem anymore.
Yes I had a number of drinks that day. Maybe I was drunk but the point is all I wanted to do was to leave and they refused to open the door. After going around and around with them for about ten minutes they still refused to let me out without a explaintion. I got very angry and I tryed to force the door open. That was a mistake. The police were there in a New York minute.
I was put into the drunk tank with ten males who I don't believe were harden criminals. They didn't bother me they just thought it was funny I was in the same boat as they were.
I was released at about 8:00 AM without seeing a judge or being fined.
I have never said anything bad about Colombia or its people. I like it there and I plan to return to Medellin in May.
I don't really know why I posted this report. I certainly was not trying to deter anyone from going to Colombia so I can have all the pussy. Sorry that train left a few years ago. I am more than willing to take leftovers and to be very thankful for that. In fact I am on life support in that area, Cialis.
But anyway thanks for your thoughts. It has made me rethink what happen. In my mind I have to agreed I screwed up. I feel if I could have explained to the police what happened in Spanish I would not have ended up in jail. I don't know what the Colombiano told the police but it obviously was good enough for me to end up in jail.
WMB774
Don't kid yourself Jchipper ... this report of getting held by the police sounds very believable.
I've been going to Colombia for years, and heard many stories of police corruption / crime.
The situation in Colombia is much better than it was several years ago as far as the FARC / Paramilitaros go ... thanks to el presidente Uribe ... but police corruption and / or assholes looking to take advantage of gringos are still abundant.
The people love their Army boys but are very weary of the police, knowing corruption is common.
Just several months ago I brought my brother to Cali with me ... he was out with my taxi driver buddy in the evening doing the run of strip clubs while I was out with my girlfriend.
At about 1 AM, my taxi buddy comes knocking on our door telling us my brother had been detained by the police at a road block because he didn't have his passport on his person ... he had a copy of it with a US driv. license with him.
They took him to jail and took the money that was in his wallet.
I, of course, went and had him released with his passport in hand ... and they still asked me for more money ... until I told them that I had friends in the police / army ... contacts from my job, and that I was going to call them.
Another incident ... I was just in Cali last week ... checking in to Inter Cont. Hotel and there was a group of 4 gringos who had just been robbed, professionally in their rented apartment.
They were in the process of trying to have their rooms paid for by someone out of the country because everything was stolen from them and I over-heard them and spoke with them about the incident.
These guys rented a nice apartment in the nice part of town ... were having girls sent to their apartment for day and night time fun ... on their 5th evening in town, just after a group of chicas left their apartment, 3 guys banged on their door claiming to be buiding security, then pulled out pistols and threatened to kill all of them if they didn't cooperate.
These guys said they had everything stolen from them ... wallets, cash, jewelry, lap-tops, etc.
They told me they called the police and they were ZERO help, saying they would take a report but there was nothing they could do really.
Anyway ... bottom line is ... Colombia is a great place with great people and chicas ... but don't kid yourself ... it is Colombia ... there is corruption and there are people that will hurt you.
The more "gringo" you are and the more flashy you are, the more of a target you are. So let's take this guy's story as just another warning to be careful and not be so fast to call him a liar.
Suerte!
Senor Amable
09-27-06, 22:12
Right on Rick!
Colombia is a GREAT place with Great Chica's , but the Corruption is everywhere.
I just got back from Medellin, Thursday. I was there for ten days. Another great adventure.
Hope all is well with you and I'll talk with you this week.
Saludos,
Amable
Wmb774,
Don't let the others bother you with their accusations, we are all here for information and your sharing this story will probably help one of the "noob's" stay out of that joint. You were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and one way or another you were going to be leaving without your camera and your money! Who knows what they had planned at least with the police you were able to keep your LIFE!
Too often people on the Colombia threads are "shilling" for something or someone and will jump down your throat and accuse you of lying.
Keep up the honest reporting and I am sure your next trip to MDE will provide us with the positive side as well.
Sorry about the bad experience in Medellin, After I thought about it you were correct about the Police Corruption here in Medellin. I was thinking more in line with the Army boys I have had the pleasure of being associated with. I do work here in Colombia that I can not eloborate on and always have had excellent experiences with the Army and Intelligence community. The best advise I can give is always have a cabby friend wait for you, if you do not have one when you return next time give me you're info and I can get you a friend, they are excellent guides and at around 10 bucks USA an hour they make good company, I have found they have more connections than most lobbyist in the USA, HE HE HE. I used my friend for 6 hours of clubbing and tour around the nite life and he sat quite and kept an eye on me every step of the way, he is rather large and mean so we are left alone, if anyone approaches me he steps to my side. I have a car and it is a nice new Renault Magane but I do not use it for clubbing, do not take the Chicas to you're apartment, they are always connected with some sort of corruption, find a chica friendly love motel, or Hotel, they are everywhere, cabbys know them all, Not all cabbys are good so if you can get refrences or ask on the threads, we all have a few we know of, again, sorry about the doubting Thomas.
Chipper
Wmb, thanks for telling us of your experiences.
In Medellin I always have a cellphone. Having one of those could have been useful to you at that moment.
Those who say that the police would never lock up a gringo in a general cell are just showing that they don't have a clue. Especially the guy who chimed in with his first report on the forum to criticise someone... how about some Colombia trip reports from you instead of jumping on other members' posts?
I have been in Colombia / Medellin/for a few months now,and before all thru out the country from Cartagena to Calda and numerous departmentos around Bogota.The story about Samsara is corrupt to say the least, 1, why did you go to Samsara, then when offered the Girls you decline saying you already had some action earlier? 2, Why would you say you got drunk there when I have a strong feeling you were already drunk before you arrived, 3, What the fuc were you doing alone if you dont live here? 4, The cops here are Gringo savy enough to not put you in a cell with the population , a fine, and realease would be the norm if you fucd up. I for one am not buying this story. Please lets stay Positive ob Colombia,, thye have had enough bad press without making up shit.
ChipperDude, turn down the paranoia a few notches. The guy was just relating his tale of misadventure here, there is no reason for you to go all gestapo on him.
This is a board full of guys who love medellin and it doesn't do us any good to pretend that nothing bad can happen to you there. Its posts like his that remind us all to stay safeand try to keep out of bad situations in medellin and everywhere else we travel.
right on rick!
colombia is a great place with great chica's , but the corruption is everywhere....and not just colombia. last month i paid $100 (yes, mary, us dollars) to some peruvian police to keep my ass out of jail and my sphincter tight.
and, hell, you should try venezuela. more chance of getting slotted by the police and not by local thugs. the police are the hoods!
wmb774 - thanks for sharing. someone on the forum will put that place on a "do not go" list and you may have saved who knows how many! thank you.
you clearly know what you are doing - and they had your wallet -so you couldn't even finesse they way i was able. keep reporting - there are always speed bumps anywhere you go!
polvo
Thanks to all for your comments. I don't post as often as I should considering how much infomation I have gotten from the site. After posting about my bad experience the first comments back made me feel like I had entered the twightlight zone. Some just would like to believe something like this could not happen. I know I used to be one of them but not anymore. I am going to be more careful on future trips.
Talking about future trips I am going to Pattaya/Bangkok Oct 19. I also have plans to go to Quito, Ecuador leaving Jan. 29, 2007. I have gotten a lot of information on Quito from this site so I have decided to see what the Jails are like there just for comparison purposes.
WMB774
here is a great report on medellin:
http://www.gonomad.com/destinations/0607/medellin_colombia.html
“you’re going to colombia!”
in spite of warnings and kidnappings, the author finds one of south america's undiscovered treasures in this beautiful, misunderstood country
by william karz
this past june, i was assigned to evaluate colombia’s tourist potential. knowing only of the country as a land soiled by conflict, travel warnings and infamous drug kingpins, i was wary of what may happen to me if i was only armed with a pen.
what i feared most was being included in the sequel to gabriel garcia marquez’ news of a kidnapping. nonetheless, i was very curious to find out if and how the government found a way to distract tourists from the country’s history of
turmoil. along with a desire to overcome my own reservations, i took the same deep breath i had taken before skydiving a year earlier and i got on the plane.
through the clouds
descending from 30,000 feet in business class was a bit mellower than jumping from 10,000 feet. yet, the blanket of clouds hindering my visibility kept me in as much suspense as if i were strapped with a parachute.
minutes before landing, the verdant environs of medellín came into view and the curtain of clouds disappeared; revealing a cast of rolling hills, lush pastures and small villages. from that point on, all of my preconceptions of colombia seemed to disappear as well.
expecting to find a bulletproof suv and armed guards waiting for me at the airport to lead me through farc infested terrain, i was a bit surprised to find a standard tourism van and a young charismatic guide with a smile from ear to ear.alejandra had just graduated with a degree in tourism and her youthful charm enveloped the van. she was so captivating that i didn’t even realize the sun had set during the one-hour drive from the airport to the city center.
view of medellin from the air. photos by william karz.
she took great pride in sharing information about medellín not commonly known by foreigners. for instance, she explained that “medellín is actually known as the city of flowers.” eternal spring-like weather provides an ideal atmosphere for several species of flower to blossom, including the carnation and the flower of love, the agapanthus.
as we descended into the aburra valley, the imposing vista of a golden city of lights emerged. resembling a colombian lake said to possess the riches of el dorado, medellín appeared to be nestled in an amphitheater of andean highlands.
in the valley
after dinner at a restaurant with expansive views of the cityscape, i asked alejandra where i might be able to find a bar in order to get a feel for the city’s nightlife. apparently, that was the question she had been waiting to answer since the airport.
discussing the different specie of flowers in medellín may have brought her a certain degree of satisfaction, but you could tell her true passion by the look on her face when i asked about la vida nocturna.
eyes wide open and glowing with joy, all she could say was “espera aqui [wait here].”
in less than a medellín minute, she went to the restroom and changed from conservative to casual attire. judging by her giddy mood and restless feet, i knew we were going clubbing. so i threw on my best pair of shoes and pocketed my camera.
expecting to find people blowing coke out of a crystal bowl and dancing under a disco ball till sunrise, i couldn’t wait to write the story. when we got in the cab, i asked alejandra if i could take pictures at the club. she had not seen blow or scarface and was rather surprised by my preconceived image of parties in medellín.
flowers in medellin. photo by william karz.
nevertheless, she understood my naivety. she explained that since pablo escobar’s capture and death in 1993, the people of medellín have witnessed a dramatic cultural and economic shifts. the city no longer is known as the cocaine capital and is not financially dependent on money laundering.
rather, medellín maintains the second largest economy in the country and is home to many national and multinational companies. in fact, the recently re-elected president of colombia was raised in medellín and is devoted to continually developing the city.
parque lleras
the cabbie left us in a tree-lined park surrounded by enchanting sidewalk cafes. during the day, restaurants in parque lleras offer a variety of international cuisine and typical colombian dishes. after dusk, however, the tables are moved aside and the party begins. the sounds of colombia came alive once we exited the cab and within minutes i was learning the sultry moves associated with la cumbia.
considered a style of dance and musical interpretation popular throughout latin america, la cumbia originated as an african courtship ritual. it was carried over during the slave trade in the 16th century and has been influenced over the years by musical instruments from various cultures.
being a freshman on the dance floor sometimes has its benefits. unlike my milonga experience in argentina where i was snubbed by countless tango enthusiasts, women flocked to teach me how to move my hips in medellín. the night lasted nearly till sunrise and with the assistance of the national drink that locals kept urging me to try, aguardiente, i swiftly faded to sleep.
medellin rises
refreshed by a strong cup of colombia’s finest coffee in the morning, i headed off with alejandra to the urban center. with the recent construction of a practical metro system and the development of interactive recreational areas, city planning for municipalities throughout the country and the world can be modeled after the efforts made in medellín.
certain parks now feature unique attractions, such as the park of wishes and the park of bare feet. in both settings, children and adults are educated by official guides free of charge on how to appreciate open space. located near the city’s planetarium, the park of wishes is a place to observe the cosmos and interact with eleven different astronomical exhibits.
the park of bare feet, on the other hand, brings patrons down to earth to experience a sensual zen garden, a gaudua tree forest and an interactive museum. the museum displays nearly 200 hands-on experiments explaining society’s energy sources. renovations of culturally significant museums and plazas, such as the museum of antioquia and the botero plaza, have also revitalized the urban center and have contributed to the success of medellín’s cosmetic surgery.
to the sea
regrettably, i had to leave alejandra in medellín as i boarded the one-hour flight to the seaside colonial city of
kids having fun cooling off in a park in medellin, colombia. photo by william karz.
cartagena. adjacent to the caribbean on the north coast of south america, the spanish found cartagena to be the perfect port city from which to export colombian emeralds, peruvian gold, and bolivian silver.
before long, privateers and pirates such as the original captain morgan and sir francis drake began sacking the city to claim the riches for themselves. realizing the strategic importance of the city, the spanish began developing a series of fortifications and walls. by the time the british put together a full-fledged attack in 1741, construction was complete and the “walled city” had received its name.
led by such naval officers as lawrence washington, george washington’s
half-brother, the 28,000-strong british navy was held back by just 3,000 spaniards at the fort of san felipe.
i walked along portions of the 11km wall, around the fort of san felipe, and into its intricate tunnel system. from atop the city’s highest hill, la popa, i had a clear view of san felipe and cartagena’s major districts, bocagrande and the old city.
the peninsula of bocagrande is where modern hotels soar over san martin avenue and the old city lies peacefully amongst its impenetrable walls. the old city hosts charming sidewalk cafés on cobblestone streets that surround quaint parks and plazas. the countless balconies with beautiful flowers accentuate the rich colonial colors, and the preserved historical architecture is remarkable. a late afternoon stroll offered idyllic photographic scenery, and the eclectic array of culinary fusions kept me around past sundown.
'til closing
unwilling to be spoiled by the comforts of bed, i met up with a few locals and jumped aboard the ceremonial chiva. stocked with alcohol and a three-man band playing vallenato music, the chiva is a vintage colombian bus that takes passengers around the city and drops them off at a requested destination.
based on my experience in medellín, i only demanded to not let the night end. fortunately, the musicians in the back had a jukebox repertoire and the driver couldn’t seem to find the brake. when the gas tank read near empty, we were let off in the old city’s getsemani sector. laden with bars, arsenal avenue in getsemani is everyone’s destination after hours and mister babilla brings dancing to a whole new level.
i’ve seen people dancing on a bar in the us and i have even seen a professional trapeze show at a nightclub in ibiza, but never had i witnessed regular customers swinging over the dance floor.
cartagena is considered a world heritage site for maintaining the most extensive fortifications in south america. however, the dynamic people and diverse cultures are truly the gems left unearthed by pirates and navies.
from a budding “city of flowers” to a “walled city” of cultural treasure, visitors with or without preconceived notions of colombia will be pleasantly surprised by burgeoning cities and delightful people.
it is no wonder colombia is ranked the second happiest country in the world. on july 12th, a uk-based independent think tank published the happy planet index and demonstrated a “very different look at the wealth and poverty of nations.”
perhaps, this statistic should accompany the state department’s travel warning.
Dear board,
I have been to Medellin several times but I am getting ready to move to Bogota to take Spanish classes for a few months in November. I fly out for a week this Monday to find an apartment.
My question is about the main differences between the girls in Bogota vs Medellin for people who have been to both.
I have limited Spanish speaking skills but have always had lots of luck with the nonpros in Medellin. I have heard that the Medellin girls are snobby but I haven't run into that although I know it's all relative.
Are the girls friendlier in Medellin or Bogota?
Are the girls near as hot in Bogota? Is it even close?
Do girls in Bogota put out faster or slower (nonpros)? In Medellin the maximum number of dates for payday has been two but 50% gave it up on the first date.
Are the girls more used to seeing gringos in Bogota which has an adverse effect on picking them up?
I am going to post the same question in the Bogota section.
Thanks for the inputs!!
BB
In Medellin the maximum number of dates for payday has been two but 50% gave it up on the first date.That's just bragging :) and why in God's name if you're hooking up 24/7 in MDE would you go to BOG to take classes?
What great story by W. Karz, you did a service to all of us who live here in Colombia Scooby. I wish my relatives would read this, but then again most of us who have X-pat the USA for a better life here already found out what he is talking about. Hell yes! Eternal Spring!
Hi Brian,
I have lived and worked in both Bogota and Medellin so I will give you my personal opinion regarding the difference in the normal, non working girls of both cities.
First off I find the girls in both cities to be friendly, however to me the girls in Bogota are more open and receptive to a complete stranger hitting on them off the street. For whatever reason to me Medellin girls are more reserved, especially if they do not know you.
For the "hottness" factor I would certainly have to say that Medellin has a higher ratio of better looking woman per capita or so it would seem. Dont get me wrong, there are, and you will find, plenty of extremely attractive women there as well but it is a huge city approaching around 14 million.
I believe one reason for this is the Bogota weather. As you well know Medellin girls love to dress to kill,wearing next to nothing clothing wise... Hair fixed up, full makeup,tits and arse hanging out everywhere for everyone to see. In Bogota in rains a LOT and can be very cold a good part of the year.. Because of this most girls in Bogota do not dress anywhere near as provocative, and out of necessity wear heavier, warmer clothes,jackets, and scarves.
If you took a Medellin hottie and stuck her in Bogota, you might not even notice her walking down the street due to the additional clothing requirements. In a nutshell they do not dress to kill every time they step out the door so it is not as in your face.
Once, while living in Medellin I had to go to Bogota for a week on Business and took my Paisa girlfriend with me for the trip. She took her normal clothes, the things she wore everyday in Medellin, and you should have seen how many looks she got!! I am sure every guy on the street thought she was a hooker b/c of her style of dress, and quite frankly I was embaresed myself because in fact she did look like a hooker compared to the more conservative dress in Bogota. She also froze her arse off...
In regards to which ones will jump in bed with you faster, I would have to say Bogota girls are easier, Paisa's tend to be more serious and make you work harder for it, although the easiest girls that I have ever come across reside in Cali. That is another story for another day but I lived in Cali for a whole year before being relocated to Medellin and while in Cali I shagged so many non-working girls my Dick still hurts!
Cali was my first stop in Colombia so I thought all girls in Colombia were that easy but not true, however I think you will be just fine in Bogota. It has a lot of diversity and a lot of things to see & do and as long as you do not let the weather get you down you should enjoy yourself.
I hope this helps.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
it is a huge city approaching around 14 million.
Metro Bogota is around 7.5 million, and metro Medellin is around 3 million. These are the two largest metro populations in Colombia.
Back to Blue Room yesterday, this place is a class act for Medellin, all the service is excellent, beer or drink offered at arrival, good selection of Girls, and it looks like the Madam is an executive at the desk she sits at. Anyone else been there? Just want some other mongers feel for the place, Samsara was till closed, For Arrienda in window still.
Well, I went to Miel and Canela, Blue Room, Energy, and Loutron in the beg. of August. I found the facilities to be from worst to best in the same order I just wrote them in. The pricing from least to most expensive in the same order as well. Don't remember the exact pricing now, but an update would be nice.
But the same order does not apply to the service that is provided by the girls. Thats all really hit and miss, or trial and error approach. I am sure the quality of the girls varies over time. I enjoyed a morena with a smokin tight body at blue room, yet she was the only one I was attracted to( selection was not great, according to my tastes).
At Energy, I enjoyed the setting and the looks of the girls, but my two visits there provided average service from the girls. But again, I found the facilities to be very clean and well decorated.
Loutron is classy, good service provided by the girls, but a bit expensive in comparison to the other places. Met the best looking girl here through out my stay in Medellin.
As for Miel and Canela, the facilities are a dump, and the girls looks are average at best, but they provided good service, and the place had good vibes, the girls were super friendly. There attitudes compensated for the lack of hot looking ladies.
Also, I was in Face Dos my first night in Medellin, and just sat there and had a couple of drinks while I chatted with a couple of gals. The place was dead and I decided to just head back to the hotel alone. But I have to give it another shot when I go back to Medellin next week, because the first time it was a monday night. I guess monday's are slow anywhere you go. I am also curious about this place because of some negative reports that have been appearing on this board lately. All the reports about bad service and trying to rip off gringos.
I will be in Medellin sometime mid next week for 4 days, and I will check these places out again, and see what changes if any, have occurred. I know Loutron has changed location, and I don't have there new address or phone number. Laters!
Muchas Gracias for the info. Mangera. I will try Miel and Canela next trip across town. Good to have feed back on the other places I have not visited. Blue Room two times and I am ready for next on the list. I used to go to San Diego Show once a week when I played cards at Rio Casino but it got old quick with the bartender jackin up the prices when he realized I was a Gringo, guess my Spanish gave me away. Will you update the prices when you go next week?
Thanks in advance.
Chipper
Hi, Guys,
I met Claudia (27), nice body and very hot. She has citas with "mayores" because she prefers te guys with more experience. I'va had 2 wonderful hours fot 30 bucks but when yoy return to her yo can negociate this price.
If you're in Colombia now and really interested please send me a PM and I give you her mobile ohone number.
Good luck!
Erik
Claudia sounds good, does she have some pics for us to view, and where does she work out of , hotel ? How can I hook up with her? Mas Details por favor.
Guys,
Medellin is still a dangerous place, as more senior members have warned in recent past. I've been to Medellin 3x and have felt pretty safe there in general. One of my friends, who do not post on the net, have been staying at the VIP. Below is a verbatim copy of an email that he sent to me:
This is probably my last trip to Medellin anyway. The peligroso became very real last Monday night. I got really hungry at about 10 pm, so I walked up the hill from VIP where there is a Pomona. Got a diet coke and a premade sandwich, was walking home. There was a carload of young Colombianos parked, I was on the other side of the street and they were yelling at me. Kept my head down and walked faster. Then I heard gun shots, close by. Didn´t hear bullets whizzing by me or anything. Obviously I dropped my stuff and ran, through some bushes, jumped an apartment complex fence, ran through the complex, jumped another fence through someone´s backyard, came to a different calle. Ran my ass off back to VIP. It scared the shit out of me. The next day I went to an Avianca agency on El Poblado, seriously considered moving up my flight. There wasn´t anything immediately open, and since then I have reconsidered.
Dicks out
was walking home. There was a carload of young Colombianos parked, I was on the other side of the street and they were yelling at me. Kept my head down and walked faster. Then I heard gun shots, close by. Didn´t hear bullets whizzing by me or anything. Obviously I dropped my stuff and ran, through some bushes, jumped an apartment complex fence, ran through the complex, jumped another fence through someone´s backyard, came to a different calle. Ran my ass off back to VIP. It scared the shit out of me. Same thing happened to me in a sleepy little college town. Except it was homeboys and I heard no shots, but as I was hauling booty into my house, they were making the swing back in their ride to have some fun wit whitey. Our neighbor had a drive-by within a couple months of that. That was homeboy on homeboy crime. Ahhh, memories of living on the frontline of racial equality :) I still go back though.
Good story Dickfer(!) You should buy your buddy a free trip to the new Loutron.
So what, I have been shot at in American cities while driving in my own car in daylight downtown.
Guys,
Medellin is still a dangerous place, as more senior members have warned in recent past. I've been to Medellin 3x and have felt pretty safe there in general. One of my friends, who do not post on the net, have been staying at the VIP. Below is a verbatim copy of an email that he sent to me:
This is probably my last trip to Medellin anyway. The peligroso became very real last Monday night. I got really hungry at about 10 pm, so I walked up the hill from VIP where there is a Pomona. Got a diet coke and a premade sandwich, was walking home. There was a carload of young Colombianos parked, I was on the other side of the street and they were yelling at me. Kept my head down and walked faster. Then I heard gun shots, close by. Didn´t hear bullets whizzing by me or anything. Obviously I dropped my stuff and ran, through some bushes, jumped an apartment complex fence, ran through the complex, jumped another fence through someone´s backyard, came to a different calle. Ran my ass off back to VIP. It scared the shit out of me. The next day I went to an Avianca agency on El Poblado, seriously considered moving up my flight. There wasn´t anything immediately open, and since then I have reconsidered.
Dicks out
Great Report. I have heard of the young people who dislike the tourist. This is a problem with the ''have'' and ''have not'' social structure here in Colombia. If I may be so bold, I advise anyone staying in Colombia , especially at a known Hotel or resort location to '' Not go to walking anywhere alone at 10 pm''. In fact this may be good advise in New York and Miami too!
Let's use our heads, both of them!
Chipper
VipMedellin
10-03-06, 22:29
Its funny people think Medellin is so dangerous when it is not.
I use to live in the Washington area and my friend got killed just because he drove in the wrong street.
I have been living in Medellin for four years going late at night and running all ove and nothing has happened to me.
Aussie Greg
10-04-06, 01:22
Hey Dickie,
Good to hear that your mate got away from the bandits.
Envigardo is full of mafia, in fact its the center of mafia in Medellin, nothing goes on in Envigardo unless the big boys say so.
The Aussie.
Guys,
Medellin is still a dangerous place, as more senior members have warned in recent past. I've been to Medellin 3x and have felt pretty safe there in general. One of my friends, who do not post on the net, have been staying at the VIP. Below is a verbatim copy of an email that he sent to me:
This is probably my last trip to Medellin anyway. The peligroso became very real last Monday night. I got really hungry at about 10 pm, so I walked up the hill from VIP where there is a Pomona. Got a diet coke and a premade sandwich, was walking home. There was a carload of young Colombianos parked, I was on the other side of the street and they were yelling at me. Kept my head down and walked faster. Then I heard gun shots, close by. Didn´t hear bullets whizzing by me or anything. Obviously I dropped my stuff and ran, through some bushes, jumped an apartment complex fence, ran through the complex, jumped another fence through someone´s backyard, came to a different calle. Ran my ass off back to VIP. It scared the shit out of me. The next day I went to an Avianca agency on El Poblado, seriously considered moving up my flight. There wasn´t anything immediately open, and since then I have reconsidered.
Dicks out
I am sure the Great Folks and my neighbors in Envigado will be glad to hear what you think of our fair city! Maybe you should run for Alcadie, / Mayor. I hope to meet you one day in the Plaza so you can point out the Mafia for me. I will buy you a Pilsner and you can add to you're Aussie trademark! Please post more pictures of the Mansion and you, I enjoy you're sense of Humor.
Chipper
Well Mr. Vip I think you are incorrect in sayng that Medellin is not a dangerous city. Just because nothing has happened to you personally does not mean things have not happened to others.
I have a good gringo friend that got shot in the leg and robbed while leaving an ATM machine in Medellin. Prior to that he lived in Detroit for 50 years without incedent and I am sure he would disagree with you asertation.
Also, I am sure that given the fact that you are a Colombian lowers your overall risk as a target. Any city in the world it can be very dangerous if you are caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Which country do you belive has the hottest non pros? Med or Cart?
I hope you know the difference between a country and a state?. You just never know these days so that is why I am asking based on the information you are seeking. As far as Medellin and Cartagena goes it all is based on what type of girl you are seeking. As noted throughout the Colombian threads, Medellin girls tend to be light skinned. The expert to ask on this is the famous Nibu Rafael and he has his own thread here on the Colombian board so get in touch with him. He is always very eager to share his information. ;)
i arrived at 6:00pm on avianca from miami. when i was going through customs, a nice looking female inspector gave me a very thorough pat-down … a nice start to the trip. hector from medellin mansion was waiting for me when i stepped outside. he showed me the airport atm upstairs which allows you to withdraw 400 mil. traffic was bad, it took an hour to get to where i was staying: the mansion’s sister hotel castillo (the mansion was full).
hotel castillo is only a couple of blocks from the mansion and has the same owners, but there are some significant differences. the mansion has a better appearance and, with a nice heated pool, it is better for parties. also, girls are invited to the mansion from time to time, but i didn’t notice any invited to castillo. the mansion is also closer to restaurants and the mall, but for all these things, you pay a little more to stay there. if i were going for a short stay, i’d probably want the mansion. for longer stays, castillo is more economical and, for the most part, quieter. two great things at both places are the free high speed wireless internet and international phone calls.
upon arriving at castillo, there was a group of guys, mostly in their early 20’s, drinking a bottle of rum and having a good time. i joined them for about 1 hour. a good group of guys (although they made me feel like an old man). i went to club san diego with one of the guys staying at castillo at around 9:00pm. there were some decent girls, but nothing that stood out for me. next we walk around outside club san diego to see the street girls. there was a mix of too young, drugged-out, ts, and marginally attractive girls. i think you’d find a good one if you looked hard, but i wanted to try fase ii, so we headed there around 10:00pm.
fase ii is an expensive strip club for colombia. it’s comparable to flores frescas (cali) in terms of what you’ll spend. drinks are more at fase ii but the girls are more at flores frescas. as soon as we sat down, jennifer and her sister sat down with us. i was attracted more to the sister, but jennifer kept talking to me and seemed like a cool person to hang with. i ended up taking jennifer back to the room for 150k. she gave an amazing performance including everything bb, anything i asked for, and extra time. i foolishly violated the rule for bb (only pursue it if they refuse), but once i went bb with her, there’s no point in putting a condom on for future rounds. i took her the next two nights and she repeated her performance. the last night i was with her, she didn’t want any money, just for me to pay the exit fee and spend the night with me. since i was leaving early in the morning, i passed, but it showed me that she was for real.
jennifer made some interesting comments to me. for one, she charges an unreasonable amount (400 mil) for take-out with men who she's not attracted to. the next day i overheard a guy at the mansion talk about how one girl was going to charge him 400 mil for take-out. he couldn’t understand how someone could charge that much…it all made sense to me.
i think most colombian women would still go with someone they are not attracted to because they really need the money, but i definitely think it affects their performance. some us guys go to colombia expecting an attractive and cheaper version of us prostitutes. they are more attractive and cheaper in colombia, but in the us, prostitues don’t care who you are or how you are dressed. huge grant gets the same service as you or i…and it’s all generally bad. in colombia, it can make a difference if you dress well, act well, and treat them well.
Nice report Kdog, How much was the room at the Castillo per noche? And I totally agree with the San Diego area for pick ups. It is true as you say about the girls performance here in Colmbia and whether she is comfortable with you makes a huge difference! I have had numerous girls here who stuck their tongues so far down my throat I thought I was going to bust a load in 3 minutes or less,,, girlfriend type experience! Others would turn away when trying to french kiss,,,, depends on the comfort level she has with you. One thing I have noticed , not one girl so far has needed lube,,, in 5 minutes they are naturally wet and saying Rico Poppie,,,, I am in my 50's so Poppie is OK. If they start Gran Poppie I will quit the tour! He He He. I have decided the Massage parlor scene is better for me . I like the lower prices with the room included and I enjoy the showers with the girls.. 55,000 to 67,500 pesos is a steal! ,I do most of my mongering in the daytime so the bar scene and the nite time problems dont agree with me. Excellent report, keep em coming! Chipper
shit I have chcas stick their tounge so far up me arse I thought I was getting the colombian version of a prostrate exam...heheh
BTW chipper.... its papi not poppi its a trem of endearment like calling you cuttie or some such shite... but I like the sound of it too... I always like saying to them... quien es tu papi... and they moan... tu papi. Shit I'm a Dirty ol Bugger
Your description of the french kissing and wet pussy is right-on. I've always wondered if it's because gringos give them more attention when it comes to sex, or if they just really like gringos. It could also be that Colombian women are more passionate in general.
I believe I paid $45 US per night for my Castillo room. The prices vary by room, but in general, you should expect to pay $10-$20 more per night for the Mansion. Oh, one thing I forgot to mention, if you stay at Castillo, try to buy some bottled water/gatorade or something before you head out for a night of drinking. Each night I came back dehydrated after having some Rum at Fase II and there was nothing but tap water until about 9:00am when the staff starts making some juice for breakfast.
AA just sent me an email for $40 off any ticket for flights before Dec 15. With the discount, I found several non-stop flights from MIA to MDE for $286. It's hard to beat that. I'll probably be heading down for a visit around Oct 18-21. Anyone else going to be there?
VipMedellin
10-06-06, 01:20
These are some of the pics of how you can have fun here at VIP.
Chipper
Here are the websites for the Castillo, the Mansion and Club VIP
so you can check out the houses, prices & pick the room you want!
http://www.medellinapartments.com Web site for the El Castillo
http://www.medellinmansion.com Web site for the Mansion
http://www.clubvipmedellin.com Web site for VIP
Scooby
Happy Mongering
Great reports Kdog. SO true that the chicas are NOT sex machines and have better chemistry with some guys than others. If they like you, you will get better servivce for less money. If they don't . . . .
One BIG advantage of staying at Castillo you neglected to mention is the host, Roberto. Best man to cruise with in Medellin bar none. ALL the chicas love Roberto, and if you are with him you get brownie points. Plus he goes out of his way to make sure his guests have a great time and get the chicas they want. In fact, the main reason I would consider staying there (I generally prefer the FourPoints/Sheraton at Oviedo Mall) is getting to hang with Roberto!
I STILL don't get why they frisk EVERYBODY arriving on international flights in Medellin, but NEVER do that in Cali or Bogota. Go figure.
Finally, I wish I could come hook up with you on your October trip but I am going back to SE Asia for the entire month of December so my vacation and budget are shot for 2006. Hope to hook up with you and Antifreeze in 2007 amigo. Suerte
Chipper
Here are the websites for the Castillo, the Mansion and Club VIP
so you can check out the houses, prices & pick the room you want!
http://www.medellinapartments.com Web site for the El Castillo
http://www.medellinmansion.com Web site for the Mansion
http://www.clubvipmedellin.com Web site for VIP
Scooby
Happy MongeringI just want to thank you Scooby Doo for posting this information to save you the time of having to post again to ask why no-one was thanking you for it. :) ;)
Kdog,
I will be in Medellin durring your stay, perhaps we can venture out for a few adventures. My first time there and counting down the days!
Thanks Kdog, Scooby1, Tinto and VIP Medellin,
You guys are so great for info. I look frwd to the reports. I will hit ENERGY tomorrow, I hit a Jack Pot at Rio Casino tonite on the Mermaid slot, 600, 000. 00 pesos, did not win the trip to Brazil. Dammm it. Lets see at 65, 000. 00 a session I will be hooked up for the next 2 weeks, BOOO yaaa! Will post report, have tried the pictures twice but he Chicas say no way, can someone tell me how you go about getting the pics, offer ''mo money'' or what.
Chipper
Aussie Greg
10-06-06, 15:00
Jchipper,
I was talking to my old girlfriend the other day (Shelia, not her real name) and she said that she had a new girlfriend/prepago for me to meet, she charges 400,000 p per hour, tall, slim, long blonde hair, fake titties etc !!!! very beautifull blar- blar !!!
I said where does she work and she said at -- ------, in a ------- ----, I said to Shelia that my son and guests spent neally every day there and came home talking about the most beautifull girl in Medellin and they were having wet dreams about her.
Anyway of we went to meet her, now this girl has the hots for my Shelia so I just play it cool and let them kiss and cuddle, she speaks some english and I speak a little espanol !!! we hit it of to, anyway after 3 bottle of Rum Medellin and at least half an hour the two girls in the female toilet !!!! yes they fucked one another in the toilet, I call my son Henry ¨son of Aussie Greg¨ to come on up to kiss his fantasy girl !!!!! and I aslo call me partner Medellin Bob, they both arrive and Robert starts to show off drinking from the bottle of Rum like a lizard in the hot aussie outback.
Anyway in walk these goons, in all about 10 of them with police, drinking and the waitress (Shielas friend) gives them all the time they require. Shiela says to me see that guy there, hes the 2nd in command in the Para´s in Medellin, when I worked at Loutron (4 months) he had a crush on me, wanted to give me the world, I said was he the one who was calling you at the wee hours of the morning while we were sleeping, she said yes !!!! I said what the fuck are you doing at our table then, get the fuck over to his and your girlfriends table, I dont want a bullet in the head !!!!
She said no, I dont want his money, I would take the bullet before you (now that was nice) !!!!
Anyway, before the goons walk in, this the girl says to me that she wants to do me and Shiela at the same time, I say, please, you can take my girl, I´ll just stand in the corner, take a few photo´, and when you two are all warmed up, join in, she said yes please.
We all dream about these things happening and when they do you got to fick your self, I got bruises all over me !!!! we should get it together next Monday, I´ll keep you posted.
The Aussie.
I am sure the Great Folks and my neighbors in Envigado will be glad to hear what you think of our fair city! Maybe you should run for Alcadie, / Mayor. I hope to meet you one day in the Plaza so you can point out the Mafia for me. I will buy you a Pilsner and you can add to you're Aussie trademark! Please post more pictures of the Mansion and you, I enjoy you're sense of Humor.
Chipper
The moral of the story - if your novia is bi, you shall be richly rewarded.
I'll admit that is better than my best story. However, I do have a couple of my own that even I have trouble believing.
God, I love this country!
Great story A. Greg, I think you have a story telling style all you're own. ''Mark Twain'' with ''Aussie'' style and no spell check . I have to admit I enjoy the stories, allthough we may not share the same view on the City of Flowers, or the City of Eternal spring I think we both love this great place we call home! Chipper
Well well, this is my first post and I hope I'm doing everything right :)
I'm in Medellin (good god the women are amazing) until Thursday and I'm looking to hit the town and find a good time. From the stories I've read on here, it seems Medellin is GREAT :)
I'm 26 and a good looking chap but I'm not sure what the women around here like. I'm staying at the Dann Carlton. Last night me and a party (whom have already left) went to a park (I think it was Parque Periodista) but I'm not really sure which one and it was a blast. Women everywhere with plenty to eat. We were good though and ate dinner, drank and talked all night before heading back to the hotel.
I'm up for suggestions on what (and who) to do. I really want to make the best out of this trip :)
Thanks!
Well well well. I ALMOST got into Loutron tonight. Let me start from the beginning though.
This is my first time in Colombia. I speak little spanish, but I can usually get my point across (I spent a week in Mexico). While here I found this site and did ALOT of research the past two nights. I was nervous to get in a cab and "Tengo vas Loutron" or any of the other places I read about. I Just didn't know what would happen.
So I decide to go to Oviedo and give some chica's the 'look' ;) and see what happens. The first cab I get into is a guy named Jimmy who can't speak english, but we start conversing with my broken spanish and his broken english. Finally we are talking about chicas and he says he can get one for me. So I get his number and go into the Oviedo and shop and do some looking. I'm debating whether or not to call him and wondering if he serious or trying to lure me into a trap or something.
Well my cell won't call his number for some reason (turns out later i was dialing it without the +57) so I pick another cab and go back to my hotel (Dann Carlton) and call him from Skype and it works! He says to meet him in the lobby of the hotel. This whole time I'm thinking he's bringing me a chica but he arrives and opens his door so I get in. He's all excited to see me and saying I'm about to have a great time (I think thats what he said) and starts driving.
Now I'm getting kind of nervous because I've never done this. But I start seeing street signs of the places I've been reading about on here so I'm thinking thats good. Then he pulls into a place with a gate and what I think was a police and start speaking spanish to them. I find out later he's asking to use the phone so he can call Loutron and get the right address (which I had written on my pad when doing my research). So finally he gets the address and sure enough we pull up to this castle looking thing with a big (i think it was red) door. I was really nervous but then I realized that this was it; This was Loutron. They opened the gate and I could see in kinda and it seemed REALLY nice. But they were speaking in Spanish and then I got bad news. It was 9pm and they closed at 10pm, so I couldn't come in. I knew this from reading this site too.
So he took me back to my hotel and here I am, realizing how close I was to beautiful chicas! Tomorrow they are closed apparently, so Maybe Monday, but I work Monday and I leave on Thursday.
Here's wishing!
Next time try "Me gustaria ir a Loutron." I have you go means nothing.
Amigo ... listen ... you can layed in Medellin anytime!
I feel your frustration ... I feel bad for you ... wake up ... quit jerking off in your hotel room!
Get a taxi ... if you're nervous, get one from the hotel.
Today is SUNDAY ... this place is open til 6pm ... GOOOOOOOOO!
(opens at 10am ... get there at about 11am if ya can)
NEW LIFE is the name of the place ... massage (full service) place.
address: in el Centro, Calle Bolivia (same as Calle 56) but saying Bolivia is more common. Number 43-39. Doesn't look like much from the outside.
There's a little restaurant right next door to it.
Go in the door ... if you see a door bell/buzzer ... buzz it.
Go up to the second floor and see the chicas :) Finally.
Phone nbr: 216-2704 (if you don't find it ... have the taxi guy call the number)
Tell the taxi guy:
1. Buenos dias senor ... como estas? (to be polite)
2. Por favor, llevame aqui ... (take me here)
or
Por favor, quiero ir a este lugar ... (I want to go to this place)
3. Tell him the address (above) the general area is called "el Centro"
4. You can tell him ... "es una casa de masajes"
(it's a house of massages)
Go to this place ... TODAY!
The price is around the 50,000 peso range ... bring 100,000 pesos in notes of 10,000 to 20,000.
If the girl treats you right ... and she will if you're nice ... give her a 10,000 tip when it's over, in the room.
You pay the house, the manager, afterwards too, outside in the reception area.
I wish you luck amigo! No big deal ... we've all been new to this ... just go out and do it!
Mucha SUERTE!
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