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Stravinsky
04-17-12, 15:17
Because you may marry a Russian woman who seems to be sexually liberated, but then a couple years later she may decide to get religious and start behaving almost like a nun with you.Sounds like you've had some very specific experiences with a Russian woman. Why don't you tell us about it?
I mean, other then jerking off your girlfriend on cue.
. Russian women psyche. Interesting indeed. But don't you think that what is rather unique is that they can mix pragmatism with an enormous potential of emotion and passion? . My experience is that in every Russian woman there is a Anna Karenine or a Natasha Rostova, and that there is a deep-seated belief, typically Russian, for fate and tragedy, which make them the most passionate and emotional creatures on the planet (and wonderful lovers). This per example doesn't exist in Asian women, who are usually very very pragmatic, but also totally cold-hearted and unpassionate.Hello Prosal, what about a dinner again in Deda?
My recent experience with A FSU woman. First year she was romantic like Ana Karenina. Fantastic sex, no holds barred. Second year she became cold, and calculating. It seems like the romance never existed.
In opposition, the passion of Brazilian women seems to be longer lived. After breakup either they still love you for life. Or they hate you. And could kill you (I am serious).
I romanced seriously with 3 FSU women and 3 Brazilian women. My first conclusion based on this limited data is that FSU women can be romantic, but intellect and calculation always dominate. With Brazilian women it seems to be exactly the contrary.
Now I am dating a Turkish girl. She only speaks Turkish and I don't. We communicate through Google translator on the iPhone. I'll report on this board.
By the way. After a few years of mongering, I fucked the most beautiful women on the planet, and I have lost interest in it. What I am looking for now is affairs and real passion. There is nothing like sex with a woman that truly desires you, whose sex is dripping wet when you touch her and that you can screw bareback and train to your desires.
Do you guys know of a useful forum for guys like me?
Best regards to all.
By the way. After a few years of mongering, I fucked the most beautiful women on the planet, and I have lost interest in it. What I am looking for now is affairs and real passion. There is nothing like sex with a woman that truly desires you, whose sex is dripping wet when you touch her and that you can screw bareback and train to your desires.Wow, after 525 posts on ISG, you came to that conclusion.
Do you guys know of a useful forum for guys like me?Yeah. ISG
Hello Prosal, what about a dinner again in Deda?
By the way. After a few years of mongering, I fucked the most beautiful women on the planet, and I have lost interest in it. What I am looking for now is affairs and real passion. There is nothing like sex with a woman that truly desires you, whose sex is dripping wet when you touch her and that you can screw bareback and train to your desires.Hey BB, what's up? Deda is unfortunatly closed now. Let's organize something by sms. Anyhow, I understand you, sex with a pro or a sponsorette isn't the same as having a girl who is in your bed because she REALLY wants to and not because you pay her or because she sees some financial benefit to do so.
Wow, after 525 posts on ISG, you came to that conclusion.
Yeah. ISGWow. 162 posts, but the added-value of your last one was below zero.
Delta Indigo
04-17-12, 20:41
Hello Prosal, what about a dinner again in Deda?
Now I am dating a Turkish girl. She only speaks Turkish and I don't. We communicate through Google translator on the iPhone. I'll report on this board.
By the way. After a few years of mongering, I fucked the most beautiful women on the planet, and I have lost interest in it. What I am looking for now is affairs and real passion. There is nothing like sex with a woman that truly desires you, whose sex is dripping wet when you touch her and that you can screw bareback and train to your desires.
Do you guys know of a useful forum for guys like me?
Best regards to all.Is this the girl you are with now? A while ago after getting divorced and 250+ different P4P women, I also fell in love with a women I met in Prague, she was Croatian though. She was the most incredible thing that happened.
I am not sure it was entirely her or something I had built up in my head. This mongering thing can be a lot of fun, but sometimes you feel like something is missing and if a woman shows you real love, it is amazing.
Does that mean she is perfect, far from it, but there is such a thing as real love. The problem with being with so many women is that your standards become very very very high and you can no longer settle for the ordinary.
Go for it and Good Luck to you man.
This mongering thing can be a lot of fun, but sometimes you feel like something is missing and if a woman shows you real love, it is amazing.It is my impression that almost all of the senior members that contribute to the EE threads are looking for something beyond straight P4P. This forum is not only a guide of how to find prostitutes, it is also a guide of how to find women. Sooner or later, the empty feelings of consistent prostitute use will catch up with most mongers unless they can balance it with some real relationships.
Sounds like you've had some very specific experiences with a Russian woman. Why don't you tell us about it?My experience has been mostly non-sexual with many Russian women and not just one. That's why I know the non-sexual part of Russian women so well.
It is my impression that almost all of the senior members that contribute to the EE threads are looking for something beyond straight P4P. This forum is not only a guide of how to find prostitutes, it is also a guide of how to find women. Sooner or later, the empty feelings of consistent prostitute use will catch up with most mongers unless they can balance it with some real relationships.I've met a number of guys who married so called prostitutes in Thailand. Of course, these women retired from prostitution, when they got married. Some of them I've known for years, and they seem to be happy in their marriages.
If you like sleeping with prostitutes, then don't marry a woman who hasn't been one. Because you will likely end up being very disappointed in the sexual part of your marriage.
A good thing to remember is that it takes two to have sex. And if you are having sex with prostitutes, then you are no better than they are. They are in fact the kind of women you have the most common with. And if you try to marry some other type of a woman, then you will likely end up with serious marriage problems. Because other types of women won't be what you are used to or have much experience with. Their attitudes would be different, too different for you.
I've met a number of guys who married so called prostitutes in Thailand. Of course, these women retired from prostitution, when they got married. Some of them I've known for years, and they seem to be happy in their marriages.
If you like sleeping with prostitutes, then don't marry a woman who hasn't been one. Because you will likely end up being very disappointed in the sexual part of your marriage.
A good thing to remember is that it takes two to have sex. And if you are having sex with prostitutes, then you are no better than they are. They are in fact the kind of women you have the most common with. And if you try to marry some other type of a woman, then you will likely end up with serious marriage problems. Because other types of women won't be what you are used to or have much experience with. Their attitudes would be different, too different for you.What are you talking about? I don't date prostitutes, let alone want to marry them. Dating regular girls and using a prostitute are two things I never mix. You are posting some really annoying reports. This is the last time that I reply to your posts and I hope the other members follow.
This is the last time that I reply to your posts and I hope the other members follow.His posts are pure BS nonsense, I've put him on ignore list.
What are you talking about? I don't date prostitutes, let alone want to marry them. Dating regular girls and using a prostitute are two things I never mix. You are posting some really annoying reports. This is the last time that I reply to your posts and I hope the other members follow.I said "If you like sleeping with prostitutes". Which means that my advice doesn't apply to you, if you don't like sleeping with prostitutes.
As for getting annoyed about straight and honest talk about sexual matters, perhaps you are in a wrong forum. Because the title of this forum is InternationalSexGuide. This forum is for open and honest talk about sex and sexual relationships.
Stravinsky
04-18-12, 17:19
My experience has been mostly non-sexual with many Russian women and not just one. That's why I know the non-sexual part of Russian women so well.OK, I get it. You're a priest! (smile)
Seriously, I think you are confused. I hate to rain on your parade but the ISG is not a forum for,"open and honest talk about sex and sexual relationships". The ISG is a place where men can exchange information about where to meet women for sex. That's not my interpretation, those words come straight from the lips of El Jefe himself.
If you're looking to get all touchy-feely about sex-uality, you might try the Women's Studies program at U. C. Berkeley. Otherwise, it seems that you really have nothing to offer this forum.
BTW. Just exactly which part of the Russian female is the non-sexual part?
The Tanuki
04-18-12, 18:07
BTW. Just exactly which part of the Russian female is the non-sexual part?Um, the corpse? :D
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Day one: I meet this Russian diev on the internet site. She writes to me first and seem very keen.
We talk on skype and she writes to me as we talk about traveling "maybe we can meet some place, for me its eases coming to turkey since I don't need visa"
After more talking we will spend weekend together in Kiev to start with. I think to my self great. Young, blond and model looking girl. I can't ask for more. She is children psychologist BTW.
Day two: We talk again on skype now with video call. She looks even better then her pictures that she her self ask me if I would like she send.
Now we having great conversation. And talking that after Kiev meeting we could go some warmer place for a week or two. And after a while her mother entrance her rom. And she say "this is my mom and she says hi to you" Same story same evening with her father after he comes home from work.
And now I am confused. I meet her not on dating or marriage site! I met her on travel site. WTF is going on here?
She even send me picture in under where without me even mentioning one thing and is telling me she is shy and last bf she was staying with for a year they did not had sex.
Her parents in this story, under-where pictures and talk about being shy confuses me. She gives me impression about wanting a cute guy to take here away some place.
Can you guys give me logical explanation for this, what should I expect here? Since I don't see any logics.
P. S I am sure her parents are normal mother dentist and father tax police ex military.
Her parents in this story, under-where pictures and talk about being shy confuses me. Can you guys give me logical explanation for this, what should I expect here? Since I don't see any logics.From what I can decipher from your description, she is your typical honest, emotionally generous AND naughty Russian girl. Keep in mind that many don't look at relationships in a logical or conniving fashion, they tend to follow their childishly naive instinct. She feels at ease with you, and is honest about herself. Nothing wrong with that. (smilie)
Stravinsky
04-19-12, 15:04
Tomux,
Where, in Russia, does she live?
Day one: I meet this Russian diev on the internet site. She writes to me first and seem very keen.I'd say that if the situation looks too good to be true, then it probably isn't true. It's a set up to take advantage of you.
But of course, there is no way for you to know for sure now, if this situation is true or not. That's why set ups work on so many people.
You can go along with her and see where she leads you. But I suspect that she will try to get some money out of you, like money for travel to Turkey. And after she gets your money, then that might be the last you'll hear from her.
Delta Indigo
04-19-12, 17:21
Day one: I meet this Russian diev on the internet site. She writes to me first and seem very keen.
We talk on skype and she writes to me as we talk about traveling "maybe we can meet some place, for me its eases coming to turkey since I don't need visa"
After more talking we will spend weekend together in Kiev to start with. I think to my self great. Young, blond and model looking girl. I can't ask for more. She is children psychologist BTW.
Day two: We talk again on skype now with video call. She looks even better then her pictures that she her self ask me if I would like she send.
Now we having great conversation. And talking that after Kiev meeting we could go some warmer place for a week or two. And after a while her mother entrance her rom. And she say "this is my mom and she says hi to you" Same story same evening with her father after he comes home from work.
And now I am confused. I meet her not on dating or marriage site! I met her on travel site. WTF is going on here?
She even send me picture in under where without me even mentioning one thing and is telling me she is shy and last bf she was staying with for a year they did not had sex.
Her parents in this story, under-where pictures and talk about being shy confuses me. She gives me impression about wanting a cute guy to take here away some place.
Can you guys give me logical explanation for this, what should I expect here? Since I don't see any logics.
P. S I am sure her parents are normal mother dentist and father tax police ex military.Look, it is good you are suspicious and aware.
But on the other hand she could be the real deal, unlike our friend Dan, everyone else, me including, really rate the passion of Russian girls.
They are some of the sexiest creatures alive and something who does not think so has to be asexual at the very least.
I fell in love with the wrong girl once, but I was alert and all I suffered was a broken heart.
Just guard your finances and career and health and all you can suffer is a broken heart, big deal.
It is better to try, if she is pretty and wants to get your attention, give it a go, at least you will get some great sex out of it.
When I suffered my broken heart, I had some great sex with a girl who looked like a super model before hand.
She was 6 feet tall, slender, blond and blue eyed.
I suggest you try to visit her in Moscow or Kiev, so if she does not work out, you will still have fun. At least some major city.
Keep your head and senses, and go for it.
Look, it is good you are suspicious and aware.I personaly value indulgence over suspicion. Anyway intuition is the monger's best weapon. Every "skilled" monger should be able to say within 30 seconds which girl is a greedy piranha and which is a genuine freebie with no materialistic expectations. Many guys fail miserably at that though.
Stravinsky. She comes from the second biggest city in Ukraine but her parents is Russian.
So I did book flights and hotel today. Going to Kiev with her from 4th-7th of May. Will report how this story ends.
DJ FourMoney
04-21-12, 08:09
The vets of this site know the "real" and while this forum is for finding women for sex, nobody said those encounters don't turn into relationships. Nor is the only subject here screwing P4P women.
Actually this forum runs the whole gambit from pure sexual relationships with prostitutes, to hooking up with the clerk at the local clothing shop, marrying that girl and having kids.
Though its not often discussed here, it does come up from time to time.
I find information here much more accurate and up-to-date than other sites that talk about for instance marrying Russian women from Western Men mostly with limited social skills, limited time off, usually both.
There those men often dream about model types, here through various means we date those women!
I personally am looking for a LTR but I don't have an out of order sign on my dick. I am just very selective with who I pay and who I don't pay.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Delta Indigo
04-21-12, 10:48
I personaly value indulgence over suspicion. Anyway intuition is the monger's best weapon. Every "skilled" monger should be able to say within 30 seconds which girl is a greedy piranha and which is a genuine freebie with no materialistic expectations. Many guys fail miserably at that though.I consider myself a pretty clever guy, but I do not always succeed in this endeavour. I am pretty good at picking the right p4p girls in an FKK and so forth, but can not always tell genuine freebies who care for you apart from parasites. I usually can but not always and am always a little suspicious.
What signals do you look for and how do you differentiate? Please let us know.
I consider myself a pretty clever guy, but I do not always succeed in this endeavour. I am pretty good at picking the right p4p girls in an FKK and so forth, but can not always tell genuine freebies who care for you apart from parasites. I usually can but not always and am always a little suspicious.
What signals do you look for and how do you differentiate? Please let us know.I simply avoid the "glamurnoe kiso" type (smilie)
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(funny page, worth a google translation)
I am "relationship building" through my fav dating site with a 27 yo girl from Moscow. 8+ in looks, working as a presenter on a TV channel. What strikes is that a girl of such a social level needs to put a profile on a "east meets west" dating site to find eligible men (that said, after being harassed on the site by dozens of silly sex-weaned turk and italian guys, she has quickly deleted her profile, so now we communicate via FB or sms).
This confirm the fact that there is thousands over thousands fine and genuine Russian women of high social and cultural level who are literally emotionally and sexually starving and who are genuinely seeking for nice adventures / relationships with a refined foreigner of same social level and with some cultural knowledge, and this without any materialistic expectations.
Once more, thanks to the loutish and rude Russian men population.
PS: some might be suspicious about the reality of her profile, but because among others of her Facebook account I can attest that she is "real".
I am "relationship building" through my fav dating site with a 27 yo girl from Moscow. 8+ in looks, working as a presenter on a TV channel. What strikes is that a girl of such a social level needs to put a profile on a "east meets west" dating site to find eligible men (that said, after being harassed on the site by dozens of silly sex-weaned turk and italian guys, she has quickly deleted her profile, so now we communicate via FB or sms).
This confirm the fact that there is thousands over thousands fine and genuine Russian women of high social and cultural level who are literally emotionally and sexually starving and who are genuinely seeking for nice adventures / relationships with a refined foreigner of same social level and with some cultural knowledge, and this without any materialistic expectations.
Once more, thanks to the loutish and rude Russian men population.
PS: some might be suspicious about the reality of her profile, but because among others of her Facebook account I can attest that she is "real".I have always been under the notion that one must find the diamond in the rough when it comes to EE girls. This is where me and you apparently differ in ideology. Prosal, with all due respect, you always talk about high society and glam. It is my personal belief that once EE girls are introduced to these things that your chance as a foreigner becomes almost zero. My luck has always been with catching girls when they are still impressionable and in needy moments of life. When I was in Kiev, I did notice the good looking 40 plus guys with what appeared to be hot village girls and not Kiev high society. Yes I know that I am but a newbie to you in actual EE land but I can only preach what I know to be fact.
This is where me and you apparently differ in ideology. Prosal, with all due respect, you always talk about high society and glam. It is my personal belief that once EE girls are introduced to these things that your chance as a foreigner becomes almost zero.Well, as usual YMMV, but from my experience, it's often with the higher class women that I've had the best uninhibited and uncomplicated adventures. They already have access to the best their society has to offer, have no materialistic expectations, and only feel that what the one thing they miss out in life is romance and adventures.
I never talk about "glam" women by the way (and I am not interested in them) , but about women of an above-average social and cultural level, which is different.
6 month ago I met a sweet pie from one of the escort sites.
The first meeting was sweet and GFE so I asked her to meet me again without the agency involvement
I visit Moscow at least once a month for 2-3 days so she accepted the idea of monthly bank transfer of 500$
On my visits she waits at the airport and spend the evenings with me.
Without this arrangement I would spend around 1000$ for 3 nights.
I don't care what she is doing on the rest of the time
I visit Moscow at least once a month for 2-3 days so she accepted the idea of monthly bank transfer of 500$
On my visits she waits at the airport and spend the evenings with me.
ESounds like a very nice and cost effective arrangement to me!
Well done!
Well, as usual YMMV, but from my experience, it's often with the higher class women that I've had the best uninhibited and uncomplicated adventures. They already have access to the best their society has to offer, have no materialistic expectations, and only feel that what the one thing they miss out in life is romance and adventures.
I never talk about "glam" women by the way (and I am not interested in them) , but about women of an above-average social and cultural level, which is different.Just to illustrate. Those "socially above-average" Russian women are not only emotionally starving, but they are also very forward and direct when it comes to sex. They think like men. If they like you, they will fuck you sooner or later, and most often sooner than later. Here is a sms that a 36 yo moscovite sent me the very next day after our first meeting in Paris (which nicely finished by a frenchkiss) , inviting me for a so-called "pyjama party" (ie a booze and wild fuck evening) in her flat. She actually welcomed me in short nightie. And stilettos! (and two bottles of Chardonnais). A tall girl, about 1. 84 m, super good job (something like international sales manager, I didn't understand well) at Merck Moscow.
It is my personal belief that once EE girls are introduced to these things that your chance as a foreigner becomes almost zero.Just for the record, for her five days stay in Paris, she rented a super nice 300€/day flat in the heart of Montmartre.
inviting me for a so-called "pyjama party" (ie a booze and wild fuck evening) in her flat. She actually welcomed me in short nightie. And stilettos! (and two bottles of Chardonnais)By the way, here is what she says about her "desired partner" on her profile.
"I am looking for marriage with a man from 40 up to 55 years old, reliable, serious, kind person who would like to create the family in the future. My name is Evgeniya. Single. I have no children, but I would like to have them very much in the future marriage. I speak fluent English. I am optimistic, kind, romantic, good-tempered, honest, cheerful and reliable. I like nature, walking, traveling, music and cinema. "
Hum. She looks for marriage with a reliable and serious man but she invites a semi-stranger for a pyjama party the next day after the first meeting (first meeting where she got passably drunk). LOL.
Just to say that what a Russian girl writes on their profile must be taken with a grain of salt. (rolleyes)
Well, as usual YMMV, but from my experience, it's often with the higher class women that I've had the best uninhibited and uncomplicated adventures. They already have access to the best their society has to offer, have no materialistic expectations, and only feel that what the one thing they miss out in life is romance and adventures.
I never talk about "glam" women by the way (and I am not interested in them) , but about women of an above-average social and cultural level, which is different."MILF market" seems like a more accurate term than "higher class women". (smile)
"MILF market" seems like a more accurate term than "higher class women". (smile)Hum, you say that because I just reported about a 36 yo. Ok, fair enough. Admittedly, there is surely many Russian women with good social positions who are in their 30s. That said, I know many moscovite women in the 25/30 yo range (MILFs?) with good jobs, who have an enjoyable life and who travel extensively. And who are available for some hot adventure and romance with a foreigner of same social level who would tick all the boxes. My opinion is that there is thousands over thousands of this target group available in Moscow or Piter. Very available. I could be wrong though. Maybe Jake could confirm or belie.
Hum, you say that because I just reported about a 36 yo. Ok, fair enough. Admittedly, there is surely many Russian women with good social positions who are in their 30s. That said, I know many moscovite women in the 25/30 yo range (MILFs?) with good jobs, who have an enjoyable life and who travel extensively. And who are available for some hot adventure and romance with a foreigner of same social level who would tick all the boxes. My opinion is that there is thousands over thousands of this target group available in Moscow or Piter. Very available. I could be wrong though. Maybe Jake could confirm or belie.I have only met two kinds of Slavic women. The young with absolutely nothing and the mature with some kind of depressed husband / boyfriend at home. I never found a single girl with a good job. I only found single girls with the potential for a good job.
I have only met two kinds of Slavic women. The young with absolutely nothing and the mature with some kind of depressed husband / boyfriend at home. I never found a single girl with a good job. I only found single girls with the potential for a good job.Funnily enough, I have met more and more single Russian women lately in their 20's who are becoming more successful in their jobs. But I do concede that it IS still a bit rare. The problem is that these girls are not really all that interested in foreigners from the perspective of what we can do for them. These girls have their own money and their own circle of friends. HOWEVER, when they do date guys like us, they make it pretty clear that they will pay for NOTHING (restaurants, clubs, etc). If you are out with one of these young successful, good looking babes and she offers to pay for her own drinks, then sex is probably not on the menu. She just wants to "be friends".
We discussed this in detail about a year ago and I believe it to be true now even more. The mentality of Russian women is that, even if they are successful and are financially independent, if sex is anywhere in the realm of possibility, then YOU are going to pay for EVERYTHING. It's just the way it is. They spend their money on clothes, hair, nails and makeup to look good for you and you pay for the entertainment. Un-written rule.
Ooops, have I wandered off topic?
If you are out with one of these young successful, good looking babes and she offers to pay for her own drinks, then sex is probably not on the menu. She just wants to "be friends".Totally agree. It sends a pretty clear message. Same for alcohol. I tried to explain that to a guy on another board, as he complained that on the four dates he got in Piter, three was girls who "didn't drink". So I tried to explain him that a girl who doesn't drink WITH YOU is not necesserely a girl who doesn't drink. She is just sending the message that she is not available to let herself go for you. A very clear message. Maybe later in the evening this same girl will dance on the bar at Coyote Ugly totally drunk with her friends. .
This reminds me a Russian girl that I've dated this winter. We already had four or five mojitos each. And I perfectly know that when a Russian girl begins to drink, it's that she wants to fuck. It's a VERY positive message that she sends you. But she still tried to "test" me. She looked at me very seriously and said that I was a super nice guy, but that we could only be friends. I knew it was BS. It was a test. If I had answered "ok", I would have appeared like a weakling, a guy who not even able to be forward about what he wants, a guy not worth a adventure. So I just looked at her without a word and smiled in a ironic but indulgent way, to make her feel that what she just said was only total childish BS. And I ordered two other mojitos. One hour later she was in my bed for some 1000 mph rough and dirty sex.
As for paying, you are right, it has been discussed dozens of time. In Russia and out on the town, a man pays for everything, period.
Totally agree. It sends a pretty clear message. Same for alcohol. I tried to explain that to a guy on another board, as he complained that on the four dates he got in Piter, three was girls who "didn't drink". So I tried to explain him that a girl who doesn't drink WITH YOU is not necesserely a girl who doesn't drink. She is just sending the message that she is not available to let herself go for you. A very clear message. Maybe later in the evening this same girl will dance on the bar at Coyote Ugly totally drunk with her friends. .I have always viewed alcohol as something they could lay blame to for being so quickly promiscuous in case the relationship developed into something. That's the great thing about Slavs. When they are into you, they need to f* fast.
The Tanuki
07-17-12, 04:27
This reminds me a Russian girl that I've dated this winter. We already had four or five mojitos each. And I perfectly know that when a Russian girl begins to drink, it's that she wants to fuck. It's a VERY positive message that she sends you. But she still tried to "test" me. She looked at me very seriously and said that I was a super nice guy, but that we could only be friends. I knew it was BS. It was a test. If I had answered "ok", I would have appeared like a weakling, a guy who not even able to be forward about what he wants, a guy not worth a adventure. So I just looked at her without a word and smiled in a ironic but indulgent way, to make her feel that what she just said was only total childish BS. And I ordered two other mojitos. One hour later she was in my bed for some 1000 mph rough and dirty sex.This one brought me a chuckle, remembering my Moscow conquest a few months ago. The second night that I met "N" we went to dance and drink at Petrovich (if I'd been there more I'd have known that was a big clue). She got pretty hammered, as did I, but I got her back to my hotel about 4 am. With only a thong on, she looked at me and said "We're just going to be friends right?" I told her no fuckin way, not now. And she was riding the red horse immediately from there. Interesting corroboration there. Hehehe.
The Tanuki
That's the great thing about Slavs. When they are into you, they need to f* fast.+1. And the first "fuck-me message" they send you is when they start to seriously drink with you.
BTW one of the Russian girls with who I've had some of the most boozing nights out (and I've had MANY seriously boozing nights out with Russian girls) was a girl who had on her mamba profile "drinking habits: teetotal". LOL.
Once more, what a Russian girl writes on their profile must be taken with a grain of salt. (rolleyes).
And the first "fuck-me message" they send you is when they start to seriously drink with you.My experience has usually been that if a Russian/Ukrainian woman has more than 2/3 drinks with you, then she will be offended if you don't at least try to have sex with her...
Russian women's cultural knowledge is often astounging. They are not only beautiful, but also intelligent (a huge turn-on for me).
The last OEDC education report says that Russia is the most educated country in the world, with some 88% of the adult population that have attained at least upper secondary education, and 54% that have a tertiary qualification.
Russian women's cultural knowledge is often astounging. They are not only beautiful, but also intelligent (a huge turn-on for me).
The last OEDC education report says that Russia is the most educated country in the world, with some 88% of the adult population that have attained at least upper secondary education, and 54% that have a tertiary qualification.Interesting stats Prosal,
Not that surprising I suppose considering 80 years of a centralized education system. However, if you were to stop any professional over the age of 40 on the streets of Moscow and ask him (or her) what he (or she) thinks of the current state of education in Russia, they won't hesitate a moment and tell you that it has "gone to shit". While those statistics are probably correct, there is a huge debate here in Russia about the QUALITY of the education being administered. A young woman I know with top marks from a prestigious economics school said that many (if not half) her classmates are just "warming a seat" until they graduate and move to a job at a Western firm that has been purchased for them by their wealthy fathers.
What was that old saying?"There are lies, damned lies and statistics".
What was that old saying?"There are lies, damned lies and statistics".Totally agree. That said, I find Russian girls intelligence, or at least cultural knowledge, astounding, even among the ditzier ones. Most are very well read in my experience, and by-and-large, far more learned in classical arts (literature, painting, music) than Western or American girls. Not even talking about Asians, who are, for most of all, culturally totally hopeless. I guess this is because of the Russian schools, which are still very Soviet in many ways, which does involve lots of repetitive learning and studying the classics.
Totally agree. That said, I find Russian girls intelligence, or at least cultural knowledge, astounding, even among the ditzier ones. Most are very well read in my experience, and by-and-large, far more learned in classical arts (literature, painting, music) than Western or American girls. Not even talking about Asians, who are, for most of all, culturally totally hopeless. I guess this is because of the Russian schools, which are still very Soviet in many ways, which does involve lots of repetitive learning and studying the classics.Prosal,
I absolutely agree with you there. I find that any evening with a Russian girl (even if it does NOT end in sex) is interesting and often educational.
Jake
Prosal,
I absolutely agree with you there. I find that any evening with a Russian girl (even if it does NOT end in sex) is interesting and often educational.
JakeRight. Most of them are great conversationalists. And if you can get them into a witty and interesting conversation (accompanied by a few mojitos LOL) and break down any defensive barriers they have, that will usually lead to sex if you play your cards right.
It had been my experience as well that the Russian girls are really high-quality women. Even ones that grab you by their looks, when you talk to them, are very well read, and many of them have an artistic talent, like they play the piano, or ballet.
I have not mixed much with Russian girls before my last trip to Barcelona. But honestly, I am impressed with both their looks, and their level of education.
They have a thing though where they are very direct, more blatantly honest than I am used to. As in, they will tell you the truth, rather than deal with it in the politically correct way.
Things like : "Your Russian is really bad". They say it, as if it's not a big deal, and I am not culturally used to that. LOL
They have a thing though where they are very direct, more blatantly honest than I am used to. As in, they will tell you the truth, rather than deal with it in the politically correct way.There is a deep feeling, specifically Russian, of contempt for everything conventional, for everything that most Western people consider as "good" (in a moral sense),"reasonable" or "politically correct".
Things like : "Your Russian is really bad". They say it, as if it's not a big deal, and I am not culturally used to that. LOLSympa, the correct response in this situation is to immediately fire back to the Russian girl,"Great, because I like my Russians to be really bad". Keeps things in the right spirit that they like. A number of Brownie points won with this and similar. Some girls, LOL.
E.
There is a deep feeling, specifically Russian, of contempt for everything conventional, for everything that most Western people consider as "good" (in a moral sense),"reasonable" or "politically correct".This is an interesting quirk of EE behavior. When well educated EE's are initially thrown into Western society, it is shocking how they are almost disgusted by the culture of the well educated and there specific cliques. Yet, with time, as they slowly assimilate into those groups, the social circles that once made them comfortable in the beginning become low class and beneath them. Very weird, but saw it many times.
Sympa, the correct response in this situation is to immediately fire back to the Russian girl,"Great, because I like my Russians to be really bad". Keeps things in the right spirit that they like. A number of Brownie points won with this and similar. Some girls, LOL.
E.In hindsight, I can come up with a million and one ways to have fun with what she said LOL.
However, I did not expect it at all. It came out of left field, and I was just like: "WTF? Is this really happening?"
But hey, I actually appreciated the honesty. I prefer to have an honest answer, than a lie.
Still, it's the first time that a girl, who is otherwise very cool and highly educated, just does not care how well or badly I'd take criticism.
She said it with a good heart though.
I can tell. It wasn't rude at all, like some American or Argentinian girls can be absolutely rude and even condescending.
She said it with the innocence of someone honest, who thinks that honesty is the way things should be. It just was direct, in an unexpected way. Haha
Just for the record.Hmmm. Forgot to finish the post.
Anyway. About tattoos. I have big and colored japonese-style Kois (carps) tattoos on the arm, covering the shoulder and the arm till the wrist (which doesn't prevent me to wear refined and styled clothes) , and I noticed that it was a magnet for many Russian girls, especially the most cosmopolitan and "arty" ones. Art tattoos are not really popular in FSU, but from a recent stay in Moscow, I remarked that a wider cross section of society, especially the cosmopolitan and trendy upper-classes, get them.
Tattoos in FSU are rather a gopnik thing, but I think the days where middle classes looked down their noses at people who have tattoos infering that it's soley a working class (white trash as yanks say) practice are happily gone.
Any thoughts?
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There was a section of the forum regarding semi pros or just a link for a report of distinction somewhere I couldn't find it if someone remembers please tell me. Anyway let me tell you my story and you guys make the analysis because I am really so conficious about it.
I am in Evpatoria / Ukraine for mongering purposes mostly for freebies and semi pros. (I didn't put this Ukraine forum because many russians here and some of them that I talk to were russians. I had gone to Frigat restaurant because a taxi driver told me all p4p action going on there. About ten o clock the place was crowded and before I leave I had decided to take the shot. I had approached a table just next to stage and asked them to drink smt with them. They hardly understand what I tell them. I don't speak Russian by the way. Not even basic. The younger one shake her head and the older one said no after her. I moved to the other table and I was lucky the woman was an english teacher in novosibrisk and she allowed me to sit. There are three women two middle age Tatiana and Elena an the third one is 37 whyear old named Lina. Elena told me that only Lina is single an her and Tatiana are married. Very good news so I can easily focus on her. Tatiana and Elena are just 5 and Lina is 7. Lina has very little english and very cold and distant in the beginning. I am pushing and I am lucky because Elena is supporting me a lot. Tatiana and Elena going to dance and pass the seat next to Lina. She is getting warm and warm. Tells me a th&305; usand thing in Russian but I only understand 5% of it. I repeatdely use the phrase that I had memorised from Russian dating site. Ty takaya dobraya and some other versions of this. She is getting bored of these and says harasho harasho but things are going on a funny way. We go to stage for a slow dance and things really going fine but she is asking me to go to dance floor and try other girls I say no and telling her to marry me. This is being done in a joyfull atmosphere and Elena and Tatiana are having a lot or fun. They have this bottle of champagne and she drinks a bit more and telling me she is drunk. We go to dance floor a few times more and I succeed to take a few french kiss from her. Showing me her bra. I put my hands all over her body and she is comfortable with it. While we are dancing she puts her on my back She is asking why I just drink water. I tell her it bothers me if I drink too much (the real reason is to be able to make hard mr. Dick if we go to my hotel.) At the end they are telling me they will be here tomorrow at 9 o clock and they have to go to Randevu club because they have some friends there that waiting.
My questions;
1) I ask maybe 50 girls here mostly semi pros but I always take no it s just because that I can't speak the language or they are not very much into Turks by the way I am 34 years old average look and overweight.
2) If I go tomorrow night I should see them waiting me and should I have a chance with her.
I am very open to your analysis please feel free to comment any part of the story. Not just focus on questions
Starchild2012
08-10-13, 13:47
My questions;
1) I ask maybe 50 girls here mostly semi pros but I always take no it s just because that I can't speak the language or they are not very much into Turks by the way I am 34 years old average look and overweight.
2) If I go tomorrow night I should see them waiting me and should I have a chance with her.
I am very open to your analysis please feel free to comment any part of the story. Not just focus on questionsI feel ya Iceberg.
I'm following your posts from Ukraine thread and came here. I understand this is Russian / Ukraine forum / topic. However, the amount of time, energy and money you spent to get laid with freebies would have gotten you 100 lays in The Philippines easily.
I feel this is way too much effort on your side to get laid. This shouldn't be this way. I'm not sure your taste on women. May be you only like blond Caucasian women. But if you are just looking for fresh P***y all day and night for free (plus usual dinner etc). You should try Philippines once in your life. I guarantee you will be Sexed Out.
I'm now realizing how easy it is in Philippines. As grass is greener on the other side thingy and people get bored eating same food everyday, I started researching on Ukraine / Russia and due to visa issues, got it delayed. I just wanted to find a new place for vacation after spending couple of years in Philippines.
If you just want pure fun with no hassle and drama. Go to Philippines. This is way too much work for mongering to get laid when you have money and time. You should be getting laid every hour.
I understand the taste in women. Its good to have change. But, just to keep a BASE, where P*sy will be waiting for you 24/7 I would suggest go to Philippines and to hunt and wait and play the endless game, we can try all over the world.
I'm sorry if this was off topic regarding your travel. I just felt you should know other places where you could easily get laid with 1/10th the effort.
Everyone speaks english in Ph and there is no issues of discrimination etc. You will feel like a king in Philippines.
As they say." Once You Go Asian. You Never Go Caucasian") good luck
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08-10-13, 14:01
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I feel ya Iceberg.
I'm following your posts from Ukraine thread and came here. I understand this is Russian / Ukraine forum / topic. However, the amount of time, energy and money you spent to get laid with freebies would have gotten you 100 lays in The Philippines easily.
I'm now realizing how easy it is in Philippines. As grass is greener on the other side thingy and people get bored eating same food everyday, I started researching on Ukraine/
Everyone speaks english in Ph and there is no issues of discrimination etc. You will feel like a king in Philippines.
As they say." Once You Go Asian. You Never Go Caucasian") good luckI understand very well what you mean because I was in Thailand two years ago. Philippines must be similar. I also know pinays very well because when I am twenties I was a fun of yahoo messenger Philippines chat rooms. They are also passionate women. First reason that I don't go there is my taste I am much more into blonde and tall women. And second reason is Philippines is about 12 hours flight from here so you need at least ten days vacation for it nless not worth to get 24 hours total flight.
EE is just 1 to 3 hours flight from istanbul. Thanks for your advices. If I can learn how to deal with EE women it will payback a lot to me.
I'm just curious. I have not told any of my Russian girls that I love them. The most I have done is say "I adore you."
That said, I am almost certain that two of the girls I am dating would say "Yes" in a heartbeat if I asked them to marry me. Yet neither has said that they love me. Is it a forbidden thing for Russian girls to say "I love you" first? I have never had a girlfriend that did not say those words before I did.
No it's not forbidden for girls to say I love you before you do. I have had Russian girlfriends do this. But it does mean a lot for them to say it, I have pushed girls in the past to say it and it has not gone well. But also remember that just because they would marry you does not mean they love you. Marriage in Russia is more of a business like arrangement and especially for older girls love is difficult to be told)
I'm just curious. I have not told any of my Russian girls that I love them. The most I have done is say "I adore you."
That said, I am almost certain that two of the girls I am dating would say "Yes" in a heartbeat if I asked them to marry me. Yet neither has said that they love me. Is it a forbidden thing for Russian girls to say "I love you" first? I have never had a girlfriend that did not say those words before I did.
Stravinsky
09-28-13, 19:57
That said, I am almost certain that two of the girls I am dating would say "Yes" in a heartbeat if I asked them to marry me.Yes, of course, but do they love you? Jonners is right, don't confuse love with marriage, they are two different things.
Is it important to you that they express their love for you?
Yes, of course, but do they love You? Jonners is right, don't confuse love with marriage, they are two different things.
Is it important to you that they express their love for you?Well, I certainly would not get married to a girl that I thought did not love me or even one that would not express it if I did think they in fact loved me. But I am not looking for marriage or love here. I was just curious as I have dated many girls in my life and any other that I have gotten this far in a relationship had already said it. I was just wondering if it were some kind of cultural rule that the guy say it first in Russia.
Well, I certainly would not get married to a girl that I thought did not love me or even one that would not express it if I did think they in fact loved me. But I am not looking for marriage or love here. I was just curious as I have dated many girls in my life and any other that I have gotten this far in a relationship had already said it. I was just wondering if it were some kind of cultural rule that the guy say it first in Russia.Yummy,
This is a REALLY complicated topic. Strav is right. Love and marriage do not necessarily go hand in hand. Russian girls are VERY pragmatic. Any that are over the age of about 22 understand the importance of security and stability. IE, post soviet instability and 1997 financial crisis. Many turned to prostitution to survive and others married to men they did not love. Their daughters are now in their late teens and early 20's and have been taught the value of stability. Having said that, the IDEA of love and marriage is still something Russian girls dream of. Will a Russian girl marry a stable, kind man whom they did not love romantically? Absolutely 100% for sure, yes.
Now, just because she's married does not mean she is not looking for romance. This is where it gets tricky. Just because a 32 year old hottie is married to a stable (but boring) husband does NOT mean she is not looking for action. To me, this sub group is the most interesting of all. Aw hell, who am I kidding? I just like the fact that once they screw your brains out for 3 hours, they shower up and go home to their families and EVERYONE is happy!
Sorry, I wandered a little off topic. To answer your question, no there is no cultural rule. There are romantic girls and thee are pragmatic girls. A lot will say they love you because they think you want to hear it. But then again, just because they don't say it does not mean they don't love you for fear that they will scare you off. I had an unfortunate experience lately where I split up with a very nice divorced lady I was (am) very fond of. Sex was great, we got a long good and I thought we had a really nice casual relationship because she never said she loved me. She did say she liked me and I thought this was just great because I really liked her too. But when the relationship started getting a little too close I started putting a little distance betweens us. She pressed me for answers and when I told her that we really did not have a future together, she was destroyed. Turns out she WAS in love with me. I just did not know it. Of course I am giving you the short version, but that's it in a nutshell.
By being honest, I drove her away. I'm sure I will look back and see that I did the right thing. But it sure does not feel very good.
Stravinsky
09-29-13, 20:09
I was just curious as I have dated many girls in my life and any other that I have gotten this far in a relationship had already said it.Interesting... obviously you are not talking about the Russian girls you have met.
Can't help but be curious, what are the nationalities of these other girls? Are you talking about; American, European, Latin, Asian?
Capistrano
10-08-13, 05:36
I'm just curious. I have not told any of my Russian girls that I love them. The most I have done is say "I adore you."
That said, I am almost certain that two of the girls I am dating would say "Yes" in a heartbeat if I asked them to marry me. Yet neither has said that they love me. Is it a forbidden thing for Russian girls to say "I love you" first? I have never had a girlfriend that did not say those words before I did.You should be the first to say that and wait for their reply. Maybe Russian girls are a bit nervous that's why they are not the first one to say it, they are afraid of rejection.
DavidVanSchuma
10-18-13, 07:05
A more philosophical question for the older married / divorced guys. In your personal case, what was the turning point in the marriage where things changed with the wife?
TexasMorrell
10-21-13, 23:44
A more philosophical question for the older married / divorced guys. In your personal case, what was the turning point in the marriage where things changed with the wife?When she went to college. Was all down hill from there and she left in her first year of medical school. Left me and our kid and never looked back. Men were constantly trying to get to her once she started leaving the house on her own. Word to the wise, keep her happy but keep her close. She finally admitted she used me for a green card and getting pregnant was an accident. Oh well, I got a great kid out of it.
Stravinsky
10-22-13, 00:54
Oh well, I got a great kid out of it.... and the child is worth 10 of the mother. ;)
A more philosophical question for the older married / divorced guys. In your personal case, what was the turning point in the marriage where things changed with the wife?Definitely after the kid was born. We were married for almost 10 years before having a daughter. But with the stress of parenthood, the quality of our sex life dropped like a stone off a cliff. We are still married and coming up on 30 years, but for all practical purposes we live apart. I live and work in Russia and she lives and works back in the USA. I endured an almost sex-less marriage for 10 years while remaining faithful. On my first trip to Russia I fell off the wagon and have not looked back. My wife and I still get along great when I do come home, but if I lived at home, we would probably be divorced by now. It's better this way.
A more philosophical question for the older married / divorced guys. In your personal case, what was the turning point in the marriage where things changed with the wife?My wife and I got married in 1990 and had a great marriage and sex life with no kids for 11 years. I got a vasectomy when I was 22 by both of our choice. During this time I was in the Army Reserve but in a very specialized field. From September of 2001 to November of 2009 I was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan for 5 of those 8 years. During those years my wife turned from a vibrant and happy 5'2" 105 pound person to a 150 pound total neurotic. We blame the Army but I really blame myself. I know deep down it is my fault. Like Jake, I am still married but 90% of the time we are apart. In 2007 while I was away from home I went to a strip club and took one of the strippers to my hotel. After 2009 I fucked a few more American escorts but I started traveling to Germany and got into the FKK scene and the rest is history. My wife and I are good friends but if we lived together I am sure we would be divorced. We just had our 23rd anniversary.
Does anyone have a good excuse for having lots of scratches down your back that look remarkably like fingernail scratches?
Does anyone have a good excuse for having lots of scratches down your back that look remarkably like fingernail scratches?Tell her her you had a fight with a bear who was trying to eat you.
Stravinsky
10-22-13, 20:15
Does anyone have a good excuse for having lots of scratches down your back that look remarkably like fingernail scratches?You live with a neurotic cat?
You used to work with Siegfried and Roy?
TexasMorrell
10-23-13, 00:41
Does anyone have a good excuse for having lots of scratches down your back that look remarkably like fingernail scratches?Nice problem to have.
DavidVanSchuma
10-23-13, 19:40
Examples which I thought would be mentioned. When I was courting Russian girls and they responded with being cautious or that they have something to lose, I often responded with an example of a friend of mine which is not dissimilar, who married and looked after a Russian girl for a number of years before she just left him for something slightly higher middle class. I'm sure she was just stepping her way up and it continued after the next guy. For the person I was presenting to be, I had a lot more to lose than they did if they decided to use me.
Russian girls are well aware that the west is a new lease on life for them if they are over 25. I'm sure you guys know that this is the turning point for girls in Russia. It has to be children and marriage before 25 or they are too old. In the west they could push this until 35 in modern times. I wouldn't want to be the guy who has fallen in love and used for this gateway.
I come from the mind set that relationships have expiry dates and I'm probably a rather cold bastard when it comes to the end.
Otherwise, a country full of beautiful women who largely come from broken families with either no father, or worse, that have 'father issues' proved to be quite the dream destination for an older guy. The very last girl (26 yo) I was sleeping with told me, among many other things, that her first boy friend was over 10 years her senior. Her Italian sugar daddy was over 40 with her being 20 or 21 travelling to and from Italy to be with him, and a string of other older men in her life. Her reasoning was that she lost her father when she was 13 and was attracted to older men.
I have never been married but have dated quite a few fresh "off the boat" girls. The change in mentality with these women occurs when they come to realize that their will ALWAYS be a man to take care of them in America. They will most certainly seek a man that gives the best balance to age, job / social prestige, and compatibility.
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My wife and I are good friends but if we lived together I am sure we would be divorced. We just had our 23rd anniversary.You are 'good friends', not living together. Why are you afraid that she might see your scratches on your back?
Is this relationship still more intimate than you admit to yourself? You don't help your wife to make a new start in life, when you don't know for yourself what kind of relationship you wish to have for your future life. The scratches are not the problem, they are just a symptom of your screwed up sexual life traveling around the FKK scene. As is your wife's overweight. You might think about a consensual divorce, making space for a start into new real-life relationship. This fucking around in the scene means avoiding a sexual activity embedded in a love relationship. I wish you all happiness for your future life!
Stravinsky
10-24-13, 07:39
The scratches are not the problem, they are just a symptom of your screwed up sexual life traveling around the FKK scene. As is your wife's overweight.Well, this is always the problem with being honest-some sick fuck will try to use it to their advantage. As always, a rant like this reveals more about the accuser than the accused. I'm sure we're all sorry for the emotional scars you carry around with you, Ganesha. If you would like to speak honestly about yourself, as Yummy did, you might get a sincere response. Otherwise, you're just taking up valuable disk storage.
Stravinsky
10-24-13, 07:45
I have never been married but have dated quite a few fresh "off the boat" girls. The change in mentality with these women occurs when they come to realize that their will ALWAYS be a man to take care of them in America. They will most certainly seek a man that gives the best balance to age, job / social prestige, and compatibility.I think you've got it all wrong Climax. The change in mentality with these women occurs when they come to realize that they DO NOT need a man to take of them.
YellowPaul
10-24-13, 13:13
Russian girls are well aware that the west is a new lease on life for them if they are over 25. I'm sure you guys know that this is the turning point for girls in Russia. It has to be children and marriage before 25 or they are too old. In the west they could push this until 35 in modern times.
Otherwise, a country full of beautiful women who largely come from broken families with either no father, or worse, that have 'father issues' proved to be quite the dream destination for an older guy. The very last girl (26 yo) I was sleeping with told me, among many other things, that her first boy friend was over 10 years her senior. Her Italian sugar daddy was over 40 with her being 20 or 21 travelling to and from Italy to be with him, and a string of other older men in her life. Her reasoning was that she lost her father when she was 13 and was attracted to older men.My thoughts exactly. I dated a Russian cougar here last year and all she had was her body as she must have looked at least 10 years younger. Basically she used some older guy for immigration to the country, and she lives a better life here then she could ever back come. She dates way more men here and younger too compared to Russia and FSU where women approaching 40 are a pretty much ignored she is living it up.
You are 'good friends', not living together. Why are you afraid that she might see your scratches on your back?Ha ha ha. No I am not worried my wife seeing the scratches. I am thinking about Lana and Olga, the girls I am "dating" in Moscow seeing the scratches. I don't think Olga would say anything and will probably try harder to please me, but I am certain that Lana will say something.
My wife knows I have sexual relationships outside the marriage. I am almost totally honest with her. Probably far more honest than most men. I have nothing to hide from her. We are still "together" (not divorced) because it works for us. I suspect we will get closer as we grow older and simple companionship becomes more important.
TexasMorrell
10-24-13, 15:46
Ha ha ha. No I am not worried my wife seeing the scratches. I am thinking about Lana and Olga, the girls I am "dating" in Moscow seeing the scratches. I don't think Olga would say anything and will probably try harder to please me, but I am certain that Lana will say something.
My wife knows I have sexual relationships outside the marriage. I am almost totally honest with her. Probably far more honest than most men. I have nothing to hide from her. We are still "together" (not divorced) because it works for us. I suspect we will get closer as we grow older and simple companionship becomes more important.I think Ganesha now knows he read way too much into your original question.
My wife knows I have sexual relationships outside the marriage. I am almost totally honest with her. Probably far more honest than most men. I have nothing to hide from her. We are still "together" (not divorced) because it works for us. I suspect we will get closer as we grow older and simple companionship becomes more important.Yummy,
You bring up a good point. I was watching a movie the other day about a guy who was about to be married to a girl who he just learned liked other women better than men. The movie was set in the 60's so it was important for this "society girl" to be seen married with children despite her orientation. Before the wedding she comes clean with the young man and offers to let him have a mistress after they are married so that he can still keep up appearances. The young man in question is confused and his father tries to counsel him saying, "son, a lasting marriage is not always about love. Sometimes it is more about the partnership". You may not be "in love" anymore, but it does not man that you don't respect each other, care for each other and make a good team. While not a popular topic in this modern day, it IS possible to separate sex from love.
Nadya: Russia teaches you to do bad things more often.
Nadya: Russia teaches you to do bad things more often.Out of the mouths of babes.
My wife knows I have sexual relationships outside the marriage. I am almost totally honest with her. Probably far more honest than most men. I have nothing to hide from her. We are still "together" (not divorced) because it works for us. I suspect we will get closer as we grow older and simple companionship becomes more important.YPL, does that work the other way around?
In other words, does she see other men when you're away?
YPL, does that work the other way around?
In other words, does she see other men when you're away?I'm not sure. She has never told me she is having sex with other men (and I never asked) but I know she has male "friends" that she goes out with. She is 4 years older than me (now 49) and seemed to reach he sexual peak when she was in her early 30s. She certainly has no significant interest in fucking me but I guess it is possible. I think it is clear to her that I don't have any problem with her having sex with other men.
DavidVanSchuma
10-29-13, 08:05
Yummy, I think that you have a great understanding in your relationship. Libido mismatch is a huge point of difference as a married couple ages and your wife is very realistic and understanding if she can live with this.
Kiev Freak
11-06-13, 01:16
My friend, I can totally agree with you. Russia & ukraine is great destinations if you speak langue. Otherwise both countries are crazy expensive, mostly hard to find semi pros and mongerings restricted with some night clubs and websites (mamba).
In Thailand girls are waiting for you with wet pussy and praying for you to drill them one day only for 1500 baht (50$). Just my 2 cents.
But another thing is thailand is 10 hours from Istanbul while Kiev 2 hours and St piter 3 hours.
Happy mongering for all.
I feel ya Iceberg.
I'm following your posts from Ukraine thread and came here. I understand this is Russian / Ukraine forum / topic. However, the amount of time, energy and money you spent to get laid with freebies would have gotten you 100 lays in The Philippines easily.
I feel this is way too much effort on your side to get laid. This shouldn't be this way. I'm not sure your taste on women. May be you only like blond Caucasian women. But if you are just looking for fresh P*why all day and night for free (plus usual dinner etc). You should try Philippines once in your life. I guarantee you will be Sexed Out.
I'm now realizing how easy it is in Philippines. As grass is greener on the other side thingy and people get bored eating same food everyday, I started researching on Ukraine / Russia and due to visa issues, got it delayed. I just wanted to find a new place for vacation after spending couple of years in Philippines.
If you just want pure fun with no hassle and drama. Go to Philippines. This is way too much work for mongering to get laid when you have money and time. You should be getting laid every hour.
I understand the taste in women. Its good to have change. But, just to keep a BASE, where P*sy will be waiting for you 24/7 I would suggest go to Philippines and to hunt and wait and play the endless game, we can try all over the world.
I'm sorry if this was off topic regarding your travel. I just felt you should know other places where you could easily get laid with 1/10th the effort.
Everyone speaks english in Ph and there is no issues of discrimination etc. You will feel like a king in Philippines.
As they say." Once You Go Asian. You Never Go Caucasian") good luck
Suka Shalava
11-07-13, 13:42
Monger fends off attempted murder / robbery perpetrated by vicious bloodthirsty bandit tramps and their gang of hooligans!
Yes, I'm pleased to report that although I received a hell of a scare, I was fortunately in good enough physical condition to fight back against a face full of pepper spray and a deep laceration inflicted by an undetermined weapon, to lift up and throw two really fucked up podsirushkas by their hair against the wall and out on their asses in the hallway.
If there is one thing that's obvious, its that bandits are not necessarily known for their forethought in planning robberies. If your plan is to blast your victim in the face with a cloud of pepper spray, in the very small area just inside an apartment doorway, where you hang up your coats, you really should keep in mind that half of the cloud of pepper spray will blow right back into your own face.
Now I, being respectful of police doing their jobs, and not being a radical protester type, had never experienced being pepper-sprayed before. When I get pulled over for a traffic violation, I am polite to the officer. And I don't March in protests where police need to use crowd control to disperse angry mobs.
I met Tanya a few years ago, through an agency. I was certainly aware that she was not from a good family, but she never tried to pull any scams on me. She had some interesting girlfriends that she introduced me to, typically they were brunetkas in their early 20's and while far from being hot models, they were hungry for a chance to release a lot of pent-up sexual frustration upon lucky me. Through all those encounters, Tanya always told me that she was satisfied with the level of my generosity, for the gifts she received for those introductions.
So, Tanya had been in my apartment at least six times, maybe more. Sitting on the sofa, having some brief but pleasant conversations, she never gave me any extra reason to suspect that the day would come when she would greet me with an attempt to incapacitate me with a toxic agent, so she could let her boys in to rob me and throw me out my 7th story window!
But that was her plan this year. I suspect that either her new husband or his gang proposed the robbery. In the months leading to this Pearl Harbor, I had coincidentally been doing five or six hundred stomach crunch exercises every morning. That preparation, combined with a heavy dose of adrenaline, was likely what saved my life. I certainly could not see or breath, once I was blasted at point blank, with a face full of pepper spray. Instinctively, I immediately realized that my only hope was to grab the key in the lock that I had just turned before turning around to say "Come in", unlock the door, and open it, to push them out of my apartment and into the hallway, and then lock my door. They had the same idea, and so we struggled for the key. I managed to elbow and punch and kick Tanya and her girlfriend in the face, head, and chest to get their hands off the key, though while I was doing that, Tanya stabbed me with something, fortunately only in my knee, and probably while I was executing a roundhouse kick to her head.
In a brawl that only took 15 or 20 seconds, I beat them off just long enough to turn the key twice to unlock the door. Fortunately for me, their gang was still waiting downstairs, thinking that the pepper spray would be enough to subdue me. If they had been waiting in the hallway, I would have had no chance once I opened my door. More evidence that their bandit planning is not very good.
Once I had my door open, my panic immediately change to rage and fury, and I grabbed them one at a time by their hair and slammed their heads as hard as I could into the wall, and then lifted them up and threw them on their asses into the hallway. I locked my door, and headed straight for the bathtub to run the hand held sprayer over my head and face with cold water. It was only at that point that I realized that my entire head and face felt like I was on fire, and that I could not see or breathe. After a few minutes when I could open my eyes to see just a little, I noticed the deep gash in my knee bleeding profusely, and so I started applying direct pressure to stop the bleeding.
The lessons to be learned here. Don't ever trust anyone, especially someone that you think that you can. Never turn your back on anyone, without being mentally and physically prepared to fight off an attack. Always try to plan meetings at a cafe.
A few months after this happened, I was heading out of the center one evening to meet a new lady, as she insisted that I go to her neighborhood for our first date. I found a good taxi who I hired to be a temporary bodyguard, (not the best idea though) , and then I explained to Zhenya that we will have a pleasant meeting, but I also warned this new acquaintance that if she was planning to pull any bandit shit on me, I promised her that she would be sliced up into little pieces after my army buddies had a long initiation party with her.
Stravinsky
11-07-13, 20:23
Monger fends off attempted murder / robbery perpetrated by vicious bloodthirsty bandit tramps and their gang of hooligans!What a strange tale...
So, what happened to Tanya?
And why on Earth would you open your door to gang of strange men?
Suka Shalava
11-08-13, 12:36
what a strange tale.
so, what happened to tanya?
and why on earth would you open your door to gang of strange men?i was writing in too much of a hurry yesterday, which caused me to omit some key info. actually. 6 months prior to this incident, tanya had pulled one scam on me. since over the years, i had established a pretty good track record of trust with her for not scamming me, we had met up and i gave her a nice gift on one particular evening when she came over with a new girlfriend. as had happened many times before, then tanya left us to go on her way. but five minutes later, her girlfriend's phone starts ringing and she jumps up and runs for the door and takes off.
so i actually did have ample reason not to trust her anymore, though to ensure she couldn't pull the same scam again, i simply told her that i can't agree to give her any more gifts, until after everything went smoothly. tanya tried some bogus explanation of an excuse for scamming me, and if i had any sense at all, i never would have called her again, but i broke the monger rule that requires us to always move on and not look back, and show no mercy and no forgiveness, once one of these tricky tramps takes advantage of our generous trusting good nature.
but i did give her another chance, and that's what led me to let my guard down. we met up, and i invited her and her girlfriend to come to my apartment for a visit. her girlfriend was actually a lady that tanya had introduced to me before. tanya was hoping i would agree to spend another evening with her. but i was not interested. instead, we spent almost an hour long pleasant and interesting conversation on the couch, catching up and drinking tea and juice. if they had wanted to rob me, that certainly would have been a much easier chance for success, especially because the girlfriend she had brought with her that evening, was about 5'8" and weighed 160 pounds. tanya herself is a built like a tough little tank. while sitting on the couch, either one of them could have probably tried garotting me from behind as they were coming back from the bathroom, while the other one would have had a simple time getting the key out the door. in comparison, the girlfriend tanya brought over on the pepper-spray attack night was about 5 feet tall and only weighed 95 pounds, and much easier to fight back against.
anyway, after a nice talk that evening, and my declining to repeat dating tanya's girlfriend, tanya and her friend said goodnight and left, and so i just did not think i should be worrying that she had some evil murderous plans in store for me. that's kind of why i suspect her criminal husband or their gang put her up to it, though i know tanya herself has been locked up more than once for shoplifting and breaking into cars, etc.
i'll repeat the lesson again for anyone reading. if you have any reason at all, not to completely trust someone that you know is not a very good person, don't even give them an opportunity to pull shit. meet at a cafe, and preferably in the daytime, and spell out some clear warnings, that if they are even thinking about fucking with you, that you will have them chopped up into pieces and then their whole family will be disappeared.
let me be very clear, i am certainly not advocating the perpetration any kind of criminal acts upon the citizenry of the glorious motherland! always obey all laws! but you have the right to defend yourself, and it never hurts to eliminate any suspicion your new acquaintance might have about your willingness to use maximum violence and deadly force against them and their associates, if they have any ideas about pulling some bandit shit on you.
now strav, you must have mis-read my post, because i was not willingly going to open my door if i thought tanya's gang was waiting for me in the hall. they were waiting downstairs outside, though that was their mistake. as i tried to explain, the moment after i opened my door to let tanya and her girlfriend in, i turned my back on them to lock my door. when i turned around, to help them off with their coats, i was greeted by a blinding cloud of pepper spray. in the first instant, i had no clue what the fuck had happened, but it only took me a second, even though i was blinded, to see the dark black evil in their eyes and their faces, that this was not going to be just a robbery, because i was certainly not going to give up easily, which meant they were trying to secure my key, then call their pals to come up, let them in, and cut my throat and throw me out my seventh floor window.
at that point, i just knew that i had to get the key turned, open the door, throw them out, and lock myself in. i did not want any kind of drawn out fight with them, because i would have eventually had to inflict more than just bruises, and by nature, i don't beat up women. not my thing. all i wanted was to immediately throw them out.
when i first opened my door to let them in, of course i looked through the passport window to make sure they were alone, and even after i opened my door to let them in, i peered down the hall and listened to make sure there was nobody else around.
I was writing in too much of a hurry yesterday, which caused me to omit some key info. Actually. 6 months prior to this incident, Tanya had pulled one scam on me. Since over the years, I had established a pretty good track record of trust with her for not scamming me, we had met up and I gave her a nice gift on one particular evening when she came over with a new girlfriend. As had happened many times before, then Tanya left us to go on her way. But five minutes later, her girlfriend's phone starts ringing and she jumps up and runs for the door and takes off.
So I actually did have ample reason not to trust her anymore, though to ensure she couldn't pull the same scam again, I simply told her that I can't agree to give her any more gifts, until after everything went smoothly. Tanya tried some bogus explanation of an excuse for scamming me, and if I had any sense at all, I never would have called her again, but I broke the monger rule that requires us to always move on and not look back, and show no mercy and no forgiveness, once one of these tricky tramps takes advantage of our generous trusting good nature..I had a chance to meet 2 beautiful girls that wanted to come to my apartment when I was staying in Yekaterinburg, sure I was only speaking to one on vk for months but she insisted that her friend come also.
That being said, customarily I meet girls outside of the building and bring them upstairs to avoid anything bad happening. 10 minutes before their arrival her friend who knew English well (I speak average Russian) demanded I tell them my floor and apartment number.
Now, these girls were both incredibly beautiful and sexy. But I turned it down.
Your thoughts?
Stravinsky
01-14-14, 20:40
You probably did the best thing, under the circumstances. Particularly when they start demanding to know floor and apartment number.
Starchild2012
01-15-14, 16:55
I'll repeat the lesson again for anyone reading. If you have any reason at all, not to completely trust someone that you know is not a very good person, don't even give them an opportunity to pull shit. Meet at a cafe, and preferably in the daytime, and spell out some clear warnings, that if they are even thinking about fucking with you, that you will have them chopped up into pieces and then their whole family will be disappeared.Wow. Glad you are safe. I now firmly believe this shit is happening all over the world as human beings are basically same. I had the same experience in the Philippines. The Evil which has possessed these women. Had me in her "TRUST" and then she played her game. Once she knew I'm into her. She made the move. I was very hurtful of even going to Philippines again and browsing through ISG that I came across your post.
Co-incidence & Similarities half way across the world.
1. I met her in dating site.
2. Not of good background but not that bad. Kinda in the middle.
3. I liked her and she was thankful for my gifts.
4. Was planning Live in relationship with her.
5. I think girls have some kinda love sense. Once she sensed I'm totally into her. She made the move. However, as in your post. If she wanted to kill me. She would have had better opportunities. May at that time. She couldn't find where I put my credit card and cash. Or she couldn't size my worth?
6. It did not get violent but she brought one of her friends on that day. It was just pure luck that I only lost money not my life with the stuff they mixed on my drink.
7. They are not too smart, just zombies. If she had been good. She would have anyway made 10 times more and good condo to live.
Your words are different but the trust you had with the women is the same I had built and she broke it. I never thought she would do this to me. BUT I don't know exactly how did she found out. I have reached that level of trust in her before she made the move. I mean it was perfect. I had totally let my guard down around her for few weeks before this happened. And I never do that.
I have been mongering for 15 years now and been single all my life and this is the first time I decided to go long term as frankly I was tired of chasing. I'm getting old nearing 40's and pressure from parents to get married. I thought she is the one after screening 100s of girls during last few years.
I'm honestly scared, paranoid and If I will ever trust any girls that come in contact with me in this line. I will let my parents pick a girl If ever I think of long term relationship. I'm self employed so finding a girl in work is also not possible. But this whole online dating is filled with risk that could cost life itself one day.
I'm fine if I die in car accident or some disease but getting killed by the one you gave your heart is truly tragic.
I'll repeat the lesson again for anyone reading. If you have any reason at all, not to completely trust someone that you know is not a very good person, don't even give them an opportunity to pull shit. Meet at a cafe, and preferably in the daytime, and spell out some clear warnings, that if they are even thinking about fucking with you, that you will have them chopped up into pieces and then their whole family will be disappeared.This is terrible advice. Once you have a bad vibe, cut your losses immediately in EE. What wrong with you man? Making threats in foreign country get you bullet in head.
Stravinsky
01-16-14, 20:19
But this whole online dating is filled with risk that could cost life itself one day. I'm fine if I die in car accident or some disease but getting killed by the one you gave your heart is truly tragic.Yes, I'm afraid we are, all of us, fools for love. Fortunately, you are still alive and well to tell us about it.
"I don't like you because I think you are beautiful. I think you are beautiful because I like you..."
Just wanted to share my buddies story. Less than a year ago, my good friend was assigned a temporary job with a financial institution in Moscow. Well, he met Sveta and fell in love. She 23 and him 38. They married quickly and he was able to secure her visa into the US. I told him that he was making a mistake. He reasoned that he had a prestigious job, good finances, and was a healthy attractive male. She would be unlikely to leave that. Well, it was a big mistake and now he feels like a fool. Apparently, his home city is flooded with cheap labor Russian IT guys. All it took was one night out with some Russian girls she had friended on FB. She moved into a condo with Sergei literally three blocks away from where my friend lives. Ball buster of all ball busters.
Just wanted to share my buddies story. Less than a year ago, my good friend was assigned a temporary job with a financial institution in Moscow. Well, he met Sveta and fell in love. She 23 and him 38. They married quickly and he was able to secure her visa into the US. I told him that he was making a mistake. He reasoned that he had a prestigious job, good finances, and was a healthy attractive male. She would be unlikely to leave that. Well, it was a big mistake and now he feels like a fool. Apparently, his home city is flooded with cheap labor Russian IT guys. All it took was one night out with some Russian girls she had friended on FB. She moved into a condo with Sergei literally three blocks away from where my friend lives. Ball buster of all ball busters.Sadly, this is a very common story.
YellowPaul
02-20-14, 17:34
Sadly, this is a very common story.Very sad and common story. I primarily do on-line sites for finding Slavic women and for instance rarely get response from women who already living in a foreign country especially the West.
These are not super hot women either. Just average 7's that mostly likely I would have no problem dating in their home country. Let's not kid ourselves. Once Russian women come to the West and realize their sexual value. A 20 year difference is not that common anymore in their thinking. LOL
They want the same rights as their "feminist sisters" here. Anybody who thinks otherwise is in for a rude surprise.
AColonizer
02-20-14, 18:08
Yes, that's an old story. Everybody knows that. But people prefer to live in feelings, drugs and religions instead to face the real world.
However, it is sure that Russian girlfriend would abandon his Western boyfriend sooner or later. That's Moscow. There are no Russian girls like 20 years ago, anymore. That's Western men's fate.
Moreover, we should fight women's power in our Western countries, by changing our personal attitude (no more courtesies and gifts) , our electoral vote, our religious belief: who supports women is against our survival!
Very sad and common story. I primarily do on-line sites for finding Slavic women and for instance rarely get response from women who already living in a foreign country especially the West.
These are not super hot women either. Just average 7's that mostly likely I would have no problem dating in their home country. Let's not kid ourselves. Once Russian women come to the West and realize their sexual value. A 20 year difference is not that common anymore in their thinking. LOL
They want the same rights as their "feminist sisters" here. Anybody who thinks otherwise is in for a rude surprise.
Stravinsky
02-20-14, 18:49
She moved into a condo with Sergei literally three blocks away from where my friend lives. Ball buster of all ball busters.
It's true, the Slavic female is a variety best enjoyed in its native habitat. In particular, the Post-Soviet variety has a very shallow and fragile root structure which can yield unpredictable results when transplanted outside of its own native soil.
Your friend is actually in an excellent position, almost enviable. Given the circumstances of his marriage, he should not have any problem obtaining a summary, no-fault divorce which will not require him to pay Sveta a dime. His wife has actually helped him in this by, "abandoning the marital abode".
In fact, I have met American men who actually do this kind of thing on purpose. They are SSMs (Serial Slavic Monogamists). They go to Russia or the Ukraine, find some wide-eyed, innocent young thing and woo her with promises of marriage and life in America. And she, in turn, is grateful to her man in a way that only a slavic woman can be grateful. Then, after they have returned to America, and the fun is over (as it inevitably will be) they dump the sooka and head back for another.
I give Sveta and Sergei 6 months, maybe a year at most. I have known a few Russian women here in the States who tried to hook up with a Russian man and it is always doomed to failure. Of course, there is a natural attraction between them based on their common background: country, culture, language. But, at some point, Sveta will remember all the reasons why she never liked Russian men to begin with and also that there really is no future for her with a Russian man who has nothing more to his name than an H1B visa.
Without a husband, when her temporary Green Card comes up for renewal, her application to adjust her status will certainly be denied. She could try to find another man to marry her, but, given her history, that will be almost impossible to do, now that she is here. She will then be faced with the same question that thousands of other young slavic women have been faced with - do I return to my country? or do I stay here, tough it out and hope for the best? I can tell you very few of them return.
America is full of young women from eastern Europe who came here under similar circumstances. And I tell you my friends, it is a sad sight to see these beautiful young women working so hard, struggling to survive here in America, taking whatever work they can get, relying on the kindness of strangers. Someone needs to help them, don't they? :D
So, tell your friend to buck up. Extend to him my heartfelt thanks for increasing the stock of desperate young Russian women here in America. And remember, all is not lost and there are better days ahead.
Unless, of course, he still thinks he's "in love". In which case, I'm afraid there is no helping him.
Your friend is actually in an excellent position, almost enviable. Given the circumstances of his marriage, he should not have any problem obtaining a summary, no-fault divorce which will not require him to pay Sveta a dime. His wife has actually helped him in this by, "abandoning the marital abode".Yes, his lawyer immediately filed papers to void the marriage by reason of fraud. Normally, one would try to save a marriage, but in these cases reality hits you hard and it becomes all about how your attorney can get you out of the mess.
here in the States who tried to hook up with a Russian man and it is always doomed to failure. Of course, there is a natural attraction between them based on their common background: country, culture, language. But, at some point, Sveta will remember all the reasons why she never liked Russian men to begin with and also that there really is no future for her with a Russian man who has nothing more to his name than an H1B visa.Hear, hear Strav! Well stated. It's the goofiest phenomenon but it's true. What is crazier still is that I recently met a Russian woman here in Moscow who left Russia in the early 2000's with an American husband. Left him after a couple of years to hook up with a "Sergei" only to dump him as well when she realized why she hooked up with the American in the first place. NOW, here's the strange part. She's BACK in Moscow looking for another American to hook up with! She says that she can't find a man in America because she thinks that American guys in America don't understand her culturally and view her as a gold digger. She thinks she will do better finding an American expat who is here in Russia and looking for a wife. How fucked up is THAT? Half of the Americans are here with their wives and the other half are here to get away from their wives. Hope's spring is eternal!
Hear, hear Strav! Well stated. It's the goofiest phenomenon but it's true. What is crazier still is that I recently met a Russian woman here in Moscow who left Russia in the early 2000's with an American husband. Left him after a couple of years to hook up with a "Sergei" only to dump him as well when she realized why she hooked up with the American in the first place. NOW, here's the strange part. She's BACK in Moscow looking for another American to hook up with! She says that she can't find a man in America because she thinks that American guys in America don't understand her culturally and view her as a gold digger. She thinks she will do better finding an American expat who is here in Russia and looking for a wife. How fucked up is THAT? Half of the Americans are here with their wives and the other half are here to get away from their wives. Hope's spring is eternal!That makes perfect sense. Educated Russian women in their thirties are not accepted by American men and women. Exceptions are if they are stunners or have well paying jobs. The Russian IT guys working in US cities are generally young and have no interest in haggards.
Stravinsky
02-21-14, 18:54
She thinks she will do better finding an American expat who is here in Russia and looking for a wife. How fucked up is THAT? Half of the Americans are here with their wives and the other half are here to get away from their wives. Hope's spring is eternal!
She may not be as crazy as you think.
I have known many cross cultural marriages here in the States over the years; American man/Russian or Ukrainian woman. Only a very few have lasted, even of the ones that began with truly sincere intentions on both sides. Which is not a condemnation of marriage between American men and Russian/Ukrainian women necessarily, because very few marriages survive in America today, between anyone.
Almost all of these marriages began when an American man traveled to either Russia or the Ukraine to meet his prospective bride (or brides, as the case may be). And they got along fine, as long as they were in her country. I think this is because when the American man is in a foreign country, he is out of his element, so he is not able to exercise his normal predilections or follow his usual habits, and he doesn't look so, well... American. It's not until they marry and return to the States that the problems begin. He doesn't understand why his new bride gets pissed off every time he gives her a dozen roses, instead of 11, or 9. She doesn't understand why all he wants to do on the weekend is plant himself on the sofa with a 6-pack and watch a bunch of grown men chasing a silly ball. Particularly not when he could take her out and spend money on her.
As you say, this Russian woman will have an enormous challenge to find an American expat in Russia who is not already married. But, if she can find one, who is also committed to a long term residency in Moscow, then it may actually work.
I believe you and I have a mutual friend who was in this exact same situation ;)
For myself, I have found that you don't want to be out there fighting, in the thick of the fray. It's better to remain on the sidelines and pick up the pieces. The sadder but wiser girl for me...
Which reminds me, does anyone have Sveta's number here in the States? By my calculations, on August 21st, that poor, dear, sweet young girl will be in desperate need of the kind of comfort and counsel that only a mature, older gentleman can give her.
Ain't I a stinker? :D
As you say, this Russian woman will have an enormous challenge to find an American expat in Russia who is not already married. But, if she can find one, who is also committed to a long term residency in Moscow, then it may actually work.Ha, ha, ha. That's a good one. As a foreigner, there are a lot of hoops that need to be jumped through in order to get permanent residence status. It's probably MORE difficult for an American man (regardless of professional status) to get permanent residence in Russia than it is for a Russian woman to get a green card. Not that I want permanent residence status, but you get my point.
All kidding aside, your assertion makes sense. I DO find myself (even after 3 years) doing things with and for women here in Moscow that I would NEVER do back in the USA. Not being in one's own element does have an effect on how you behave. Very interesting observation.
Stravinsky
02-24-14, 18:15
Not that I want permanent residence status, but you get my point.There are any number of reasons why an American might want Russian residence status. You might be an American snowboarder who is fed up with the lack of support given to your chosen sport by the U.S. Olympic Committee, so you marry a Russian girl and compete for Russia. Of course, it's never easy, but in Russia, as in the U.S., the quickest and surest path to residency is to marry a citizen.
Tas in the U.S., the quickest and surest path to residency is to marry a citizen.Now you are starting to SCARE me!
Stravinsky
02-25-14, 21:06
Jake,
No worries, I have no intention of going over to the dark side, any more than you do. I'm just pointing out that there are different strokes for different folks.
After all, this guy did end up winning 2 gold medals, so maybe the joke's on us? :o
Jake,
No worries, I have no intention of going over to the dark side, any more than you do. I'm just pointing out that there are different strokes for different folks.
After all, this guy did end up winning 2 gold medals, so maybe the joke's on us? .Hmmm, let me think. He has two gold medals, a hot wife but lives in Novosibirsk. Damn, that's a tough one. He can probably teach snow boarding for the rest of his life but since his Russian language skills are limited, he's going to have a difficult time getting a coaching job. I dunno man. I hope he's happy.
Gentleman Travel
02-26-14, 16:25
It's true, the Slavic female is a variety best enjoyed in its native habitat. In particular, the Post-Soviet variety has a very shallow and fragile root structure which can yield unpredictable results when transplanted outside of its own native soil.Thank you Professor Stravinsky, for your scientific observations and analysis of the species 'Devuska ex-Ruskie'.
But it is a very sad story. I would have thought given the age and socio-economics of the gentleman in this case that his chances of success were good.
I guess you can take the girl out of Russia, but cannot take the Russian out of the girl. And here I mean both the longing for cultural connection (understanding her deep Russian soul which can only be penetrated by reading impenetrable Russian literature) , but also the inbred stupid self-destructive behavior. When she is in Russia she longs for a clean, decent American man. When she is in America she hooks up with a Russian guy who is likely to treat her much the same as if they we back in some ghastly apartment flat beyond the ring roads of Moscow.
C'est la vie!
GT
When she is in America she hooks up with a Russian guy who is likely to treat her much the same as if they we back in some ghastly apartment flat beyond the ring roads of Moscow.
C'est la vie!
GTWhen my friends relationship soured in America with his Russian bride, the first thing she told him was that he was too nice and how good it felt when someone treated her bad.
Stravinsky
02-26-14, 18:25
Thank you Professor Stravinsky, for your scientific observations and analysis of the species 'Devuska ex-Ruskie'.GT,
Good to hear from you! Strictly speaking I would classify the "Devushka ex Russkii" as a genus, with the "Devushka ex Sovietskii" as more of a species of that genus. Both of which are of the family "Devushka ex Sclavus".
Cherchez la femme
Stravinsky
02-26-14, 18:26
Hmmm, let me think. He has two gold medals, a hot wife but lives in Novosibirsk. Damn, that's a tough one. He can probably teach snow boarding for the rest of his life but since his Russian language skills are limited, he's going to have a difficult time getting a coaching job. I dunno man. I hope he's happy.Novosibirsk? Novosibirsk??? Now you are scaring me!
Jake, Jake, Jake, my man, this is not 1954, this is 2014. There is brave new world out there; wake up, open your eyes and smell the coffee.
Half the Russian Olympic hockey team plays for the NHL, which is probably why they lost to the U.S. team. A Russian Olympic athlete who earns 2 gold medals for the glory of the Fatherland does not live in Novosibirsk. He lives in his private apartment in Moscow, together with his Russian wife. He is awarded a position as a captain of industry, which accords him the social and financial status worthy of a Narodi Geroy. He has no need of Russian language skills because his good buddy Vladimir Vladimirovich already speaks English, as well as you or I.
He is living the American dream, he's just doing it in Russia.
He is living the American dream, he's just doing it in Russia.Amen brother. He's not the ONLY one! .
It is almost unbelievable how emotionally starved Russian girls are. It is incredible how just a little bit of attention and appreciation get to them.
Gentleman Travel
03-24-14, 20:01
I wonder if recent events will revive the desire of FSU women to mate with Western men in order to migrate to the West.
That seemed to be a strong motivator 10 years ago and more, but since then seemed to soften a lot, as women (especially Moscovites) realized that there was no place like home. Even if it was a pretty tough life for a young woman to survive and prosper in Moscow or Kiev, many girls believed that was where they wanted to live, for cultural and family reasons, and there was some trickle down of crumbs from the wealthy.
But now surely girls in Ukraine (and possibly Russia also) must see how fragile their world is?
That they live in dangerous kleptocracies where the autocrats are tightening their grip.
And that personal and financial security cannot be found in Eastern Europe.
So will they turn in droves to 'Russian Bride' and dating sites hunting Western men as a safe harbor?
Is the 'white god factor' coming back?
GT
Stravinsky
03-25-14, 18:10
I wonder if recent events will revive the desire of FSU women to mate with Western men in order to migrate to the West.Can't imagine why anyone would want to leave Russia, they are sitting on top of the world right now.
Young women in the Ukraine may have more of an incentive to find a life outside of their home country, but the days of the "White God" are gone. It was fun while it lasted, but I think we will never again see the same confluence of events that ended the Soviet Union. At least not in our lifetime.
Gentleman Travel
03-26-14, 14:40
Can't imagine why anyone would want to leave Russia, they are sitting on top of the world right now.It depends how aware they are of the path the country is on.
Sure, nationalists might be feeling pretty pumped just now, especially men. But young middle class women and even (especially) elitny have reason to worry. The rulers have tightened their fists and freedoms are eroding. Equally importantly, Russia has indulged in a series of expensive adventures the country cannot really afford (Olympics, Crimea and, frankly the whole basic rent-seeking economic structure). This means bad things for social services, education, medical care and exchange rates (for luxury goods).
Women are more interested in bread & butter issues, and less enamored of macho rhetoric.
Still, it would be hard for any Russian to see their country clearly now with the media so heavily controlled.
Stravinsky
03-26-14, 18:00
It depends how aware they are of the path the country is on.And what path would that be???
Your position is well reasoned, but it's the reasoning of a Westerner. Nothing wrong with that, but if you truly want to understand what Russians will do, particularly Russian women, then you need to think like a Russian. They are much more interested in security and stability than nebulous concepts like "Freedom".
Time will tell, but I don't think you will see any kind of mass exodus of Russian women to the West, for them it would be like jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire. They will be very happy to sacrifice their Jimmy Choo's and D&G for the benefit of the motherland.
Now... if you're talking about giving up their iPhones, then that is cause for a Revolutsia!
Gentleman Travel
03-26-14, 18:54
They are much more interested in security and stability than nebulous concepts like "Freedom".Authoritarianism does not necessarily translate into security and stability, just lack of opposition or protest.
Russia's actions are undermining its (and everyone else's) economic security and stability.
There was never any threat to political security and stability in the first place, except from inside Russia itself.
They will be very happy to sacrifice their Jimmy Choo's and D&G for the benefit of the motherland.
Now. If you're talking about giving up their iPhones, then that is cause for a Revolutsia!Really, I thought the Jimmy Choo's would be a step too far also!
I was advocating to my government they should focus on a luxury goods import ban.
It would affect only the upper classes, and remind them of the benefits of being "western".
Stravinsky
03-26-14, 21:35
Authoritarianism does not necessarily translate into security and stability, just lack of opposition or protest.Possibly, but Russia today is significantly more stable and secure under Putin than it was under Yeltsin.
Russia's actions are undermining its (and everyone else's) economic security and stability.Yes, Putin's decision to annex the Crimea will have a serious effect on the Russian economy, but Putin knew this going in, it was a calculated risk on his part and he is willing to pay the price. Unfortunately, the Russian people will also have to pay. If you're interested, the full text of Putin's address of March 18, is posted on kremlin. Ru, in Russian and English. It's a fascinating insight into how he thinks.
How will it effect "everyone else"?
There was never any threat to political security and stability in the first place, except from inside Russia itself.The early 90's were complete and total chaos in the FSU, with threats to security coming from everywhere, inside and out. Without someone like Putin to take control, Russia would probably still be a mess.
But I agree with you, probably the single most effective sanction the West could impose would be a total ban on the export of Apple products to Russia.
Gentleman Travel
03-26-14, 22:55
possibly, but russia today is significantly more stable and secure under putin than it was under yeltsin.
yes, putin's decision to annex the crimea will have a serious effect on the russian economy, but putin knew this going in, it was a calculated risk on his part and he is willing to pay the price. unfortunately, the russian people will also have to pay. if you're interested, the full text of putin's address of march 18, is posted on kremlin. ru, in russian and english. it's a fascinating insight into how he thinks.
how will it effect "everyone else"?
the early 90's were complete and total chaos in the fsu, with threats to security coming from everywhere, inside and out. without someone like putin to take control, russia would probably still be a mess.
but i agree with you, probably the single most effective sanction the west could impose would be a total ban on the export of apple products to russia.by "never" i did not mean never in history, but there was no current threat to russian security.
it will effect "everyone else" because sanctions will hurt everyone economically (although i still am in favour of significant sanction) and will harm the fragile global recovery. europe couldn't really afford to bail itself out (greece, spain, et al) and cannot really afford to prop up a wounded ukraine, but they and a heavily mortgaged us will have to anyway. russia will end up confirep001ing or otherwise stealing western corporate investment. and then there are security issues. this will put an end to cooperation on weapons destruction (which was winding down anyway, but not completed) , and syria and iran, which were tenuous projects at the best of times. and then there are future potential conflicts if the putin doctrine prevails: transdnister, eastern oblasts, territorial disputes in asian waters and not just by russia, this is a valuable doctrine for anyone (like china) to adopt when convenient. and russia's claim to the arctic, if they are not to be bound by international law or norms.
if putin just wanted to secure the crimea, he could have done that politically with very little cost (have them agitate for a real referendum and greater autonomy until they were more aligned with russia than ukraine). the fact that he decided to do it militarily means two things: he wanted to kick sand in our faces (and having found that to be an enjoyable and pain-free experience he is bound to bully again) and he wanted to establish a principle that he back up any claim he has to a greater russia with the force of arms and no international regulation.
other than that it is just a minor domestic issue that is really none of our concern.
Stravinsky
03-27-14, 02:01
omg--i never thought of it that way! what'll we do? what'll we do???
relax gt, the crimea is not the beginning of russian expansion, it is the end.
by "never" i did not mean never in history, but there was no current threat to russian security.
from your perspective, it may seem as if here was no threat, but for putin, there was a very real threat to russian security. russia is essentially a land-locked country, the only warm water port they have is savastopol. yanokovich was putin's man, he was hand-picked by putin to be the president of the ukraine. as long as yanokovich was in control of the ukraine, putin could be sure that the crimea would be within his control. but when yanokovich was kicked out, everything changed. putin could not allow savastopol and the crimea to fall into the hands of the west.
putin will go no further than the crimea, partly because he understands that russia will have its hands full digesting its conquest, but mainly because he understands that if he does, everything will be up for grabs and he could lose the very thing he values most: the crimea.
europe couldn't really afford to bail itself out (greece, spain, et al) and cannot really afford to prop up a wounded ukraine, but they and a heavily mortgaged us will have to anyway.
it's true, the ukraine is a mess. europe can't afford to take on all the responsibility of bailing them out. it's different for the u.s., if we need more money, we can just print it. but money is the least of the worries, the ukraine is so divided right now, it seems to be almost ungovernable and it's the average person who will suffer the most.
russia will end up confirep001ing or otherwise stealing western corporate investment.
putin is not stupid, and he is not a hot-head. he understands the interdepencies of the modern day world. if he nationalizes foreign assets in russia, that will be the end of foreign investment. putin wants to present russia to the world as a modern nation, that's what sochi was all about. he does not want to take it back 40 years into the cold war.
so far, the sanctions have been very high level and very limited. i don't think john boehner gives a toot if he ever gets to visit russia and i doubt if john mccaen has millions of dollars invested in moscow real estate. there will be a lot of tit-for-tat, and then everyone will settle into some kind of workable solution.
so, buck up gt, all is not lost. you may not find as many russian women looking to hook up with western men as you had hoped, but there should be plenty of ukrainian ones. and if you look on the bright side, your russian visa will now get you into the crimea! :)
OMG-I never thought of it that way! What'll we do? What'll we do?
Relax GT, the Crimea is not the beginning of Russian expansion, it is the end.Good analysis Strav. Nicely thought out and presented. Thanks for your opinion.
Gentleman Travel
03-27-14, 14:12
Putin is not stupid, and he is not a hot-head. He understands the interdepencies of the modern day world. If he nationalizes foreign assets in Russia, that will be the end of foreign investment. Putin wants to present Russia to the world as a modern nation, that's what Sochi was all about. He does not want to take it back 40 years into the Cold War.I hope you are right about that, Strav. And in recognition that this is the "Russian Women" thread and not "Russian Politics", I will drop the subject.
However, this discussion did start with how all this might affect EE women's views of westerners, so let's end it that way also.
So, buck up GT, all is not lost. You may not find as many Russian women looking to hook up with Western men as you had hoped, but there should be plenty of Ukrainian ones. And if you look on the bright side, your Russian visa will now get you into the Crimea! :)And happily it is to the Ukraine that I am headed next, for an extended tour, so I will find out how eager the dyevs there are to cozy up to a western man.
But the Crimea part really pisses me off. I would already be in UA if not for the wrench that threw into the works. Plus I had hoped to visit Crimea (visa-free). Now I don't think they will be letting in a lot of westerners and even if they were, the nationalists there might take exception to mongers taking their women.
Stravinsky
03-27-14, 18:52
But the Crimea part really pisses me off. I would already be in UA if not for the wrench that threw into the works. Plus I had hoped to visit Crimea (visa-free). Now I don't think they will be letting in a lot of westerners and even if they were, the nationalists there might take exception to mongers taking their women.
OK, gotcha, basically you're just pissed off because Putin screwed up your vacation. Fair enough, you're not the only one. I've already had this same conversation several times with other people in the same situation.
It is interesting how quickly, "Damn Putin fucked up my travel plans", turns into, "We must contain Soviet expansion in the West". ;)
And happily it is to the Ukraine that I am headed next, for an extended tour, so I will find out how eager the dyevs there are to cozy up to a western man.
GT, if you are going to the Ukraine soon, be careful; very careful. Particularly in the eastern Ukraine: Donyetsk, Kharkiv, Dniepopetrovsk, etc. I imagine you are traveling with a Canadian passport, so that may help you. Americans are pretty much persona non grata right now (or is that personae non gratae?).
Remember, in the Chinese language, the character for disaster is also the same as the character for opportunity. If you play your cards right, you could have the time of your life. I envy you, lucky bastard! :)
Stravinsky
03-27-14, 19:02
Jake,
It is interesting how quickly a simple question about where to meet Russian women can turn into a political debate. Russia may be unique, I'm not sure there is any other country like that--politics is just part of the territory. It's been quiet in Russia for so long, we just sort of forgot, but now it's part of the landscape again.
As you so aptly put it: Russia is not for sissies. ;)
Jake,
It is interesting how quickly a simple question about where to meet Russian women can turn into a political debate. Russia may be unique, I'm not sure there is any other country like that-politics is just part of the territory. It's been quiet in Russia for so long, we just sort of forgot, but now it's part of the landscape again.
As you so aptly put it: Russia is not for sissies. .The saga continues.
I had coffee with the GF on Wednesday and she corrected my initial impression.
In fact there probably WAS a plan to post formal notices on the street informing motorists that this section of the street was going to be converted to a "no parking zone". What probably happened was that the guy in charge of posting the notices made a deal with the guy who ran the tow truck and impound lot to accidentally on purpose FORGET to post the notices so that they could catch everyone unawares and hence shake down all of the car owners more effectively. Got to love the new style of corruption in Moscow.
And since is the "Russian Women" thread, I suppose I am obligated to say that after we had coffee, we went back to my place and screwed like rabbits. ;)
Gentleman Travel
03-29-14, 16:56
OK, gotcha, basically you're just pissed off because Putin screwed up your vacation. Fair enough, you're not the only one. I've already had this same conversation several times with other people in the same situation.
It is interesting how quickly,"Damn Putin fucked up my travel plans", turns into,"We must contain Soviet expansion in the West". .Actually Strav, my foreign policy views are slightly more principled than that.
Despite the hiccup in my own travel plans, I believe this "Cold War Redux", and all of Putin's domestic thuggery, are actually very good for mongering. Keeps out the tourists and faint-hearted. Despite these obvious and very material benefits, I still oppose it on humanitarian and global security grounds!
GT, if you are going to the Ukraine soon, be careful; very careful. Particularly in the eastern Ukraine: Donyetsk, Kharkiv, Dniepopetrovsk, etc. I imagine you are traveling with a Canadian passport, so that may help you. Americans are pretty much persona non grata right now (or is that personae non gratae?).Since those cities, along with Luhansk, are fairly likely destinations for me, I will keep your travel advisory in mind. As for my passport, I'm not sure drunken gopniks always check before they pound the crap out of you. It's only when they rob me afterwards they will discover the error of their ways, having mistook an inoffensive advocate of "Peace, Order and Good Government" for an imperialist Yankee warmonger. Won't they feel silly then?
Good analysis Strav. Nicely thought out and presented. Thanks for your opinion.Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking.
I've been reading reams of material on this subject for weeks now and Strav's concise analysis is one of the best summaries I've come across.
Those of us with an understanding of the Russian mindset and observing this part of the world from week to week, over a period of years - rather than just reacting to events, forming an opinion and then moving on to the next act of the global political circus - will not have been too surprised by Putin's annexation of Crimea.
Like Strav, I believe this is a 'stand-alone' intrusion but I would qualify it by saying that Putin will give the West or any other potential protagonists as much war as they want in this part of the world, or 'near abroad' as he terms it. Russian nationalism is an atavistic impulse and not one mediated by the financial effect on their collective pocket.
On the subject of the all-important White God Factor (sorry Vladimir Vladimirovich, not you this time!), I'd venture to say it is still alive to some degree in rural and provincial Ukraine.
Unlike Russians, a huge amount of young Ukrainians while loving their country (they're still Slavs!) recognise that it is a 'failed state' and know they may need to seek a secure future elsewhere.
This constitutes a certain part of the movement at Maiden last winter as youngsters want to have the freedom to migrate and are not necessarily thinking of EU membership miraculously elevating Ukraine to western levels of prosperity. They just want the freedom to get out.
Which would be fine for them but no good for Europe as Ukraine as a commercial entity is unsalvageable, in my opinion.
Anyway, it looks like I may soon have the opportunity to research my theories first-hand as a return to the +3 hours time zone beckons! :)
Stravinsky
03-30-14, 20:54
Anyway, it looks like I may soon have the opportunity to research my theories first-hand as a return to the +3 hours time zone beckons! :)G,
Good to hear from you! Glad to know that you will be back-in-the-saddle again. Let us know what you find in the +3 hour time zone. Myself, I think the train ride from Moscow to Simferopl would be an interesting trip. Probably the best 2,500 руб. you will ever spend. ;)
i've been thinking about the "white god" factor recently as it applies to russia. i have been to rural philippines and have seen what i suspect was some real white good factor as it applies to a search for sex. it is unbelievably easy to pick up a philipino girl for just a night of fun. and beyond that, many of them are a lot of fun to be with. if i like the look more, i would certainly spend more time there than i have.
but what of this factor in russia and ukraine. jake suggested that it might still be alive in rural ukraine, but what of the rest of our area of interest?
let's look at some of what i consider facts:
1. slavic girls for whatever reason (cultural norms, security, money, etc.) seem less concerned about age difference. while it may not be as common in the past, russian and ukrainian girls will still consider a man 15-20 years (or even more) their senior as viable mating partners and nobody seems to think it unusual to see young girls with older men.
2. putting aside racism which certainly plays a factor, girls all over the world find foreigners intriguing or exotic. each girl has their own reason, but it is an icebreaking factor and maybe even a getting into the bedroom factor. both in togliati and in samara i met girls that had never met an american before and these are cities with a fairly big foreign presence. it was the basis to easily start and continue a conversation.
3. western men have a reputation for treating their women well-materially and inter-personally. obviously this can be problematic, but it can be worked to our benefit for sure.
4. there are still plenty of girls in russia and ukraine that are scraping by on $300 or less per month.
5. almost all girls know someone or at least know of someone that that has immigrated to the west and is living a better life.
to me it seems russian nationalism is a positive thing for the man looking for sex but not looking for a wife. i think for all the reasons they did before, you can find a girl that will have sex with you, but at the same time these nationalist girls that love mother russia are less likely to push for marriage. this seems especially true with the younger girls.
clearly there are a lot more factors involved and i could write all day about this, but opportunity still exists in russia (and ukraine, for now). on wednesday i am headed back to russia for my 6th trip in less than 12 months. i am happy if the current political climate keeps people away. nobody has ever accused me of being a sissy. the more i learn, the better it gets. i just need to be more disciplined in practicing my russian language.
Any of you who have spend any time in Russia will recognize this phenomenon fondly.
Any of you who have spend any time in Russia will recognize this phenomenon fondly.I mentioned in a recent post how pleased I was to find normal, even relatively conservative girls wearing thigh-highs as part of their normal wardrobe. It is so unusual in the West. I love it.
I mentioned in a recent post how pleased I was to find normal, even relatively conservative girls wearing thigh-highs as part of their normal wardrobe. It is so unusual in the West. I love it.Actually Yummy, this is a thong which has been washed out and hung to dry on the hot water pipe in my bathroom. This is a classic technique of Russian girls who attend a sleep-over. In fact, however, this particular girl DOES wear thigh high stockings!
Actually Yummy, this is a thong which has been washed out and hung to dry on the hot water pipe in my bathroom. This is a classic technique of Russian girls who attend a sleep-over. In fact, however, this particular girl DOES wear thigh high stockings!Ahhh. Makes sense. Looking at pictures on the iPhone is sometimes deceptive. I knew it was a bathroom pipe. I do think it is interesting that having hot water pipes set up as towel racks is so common (and ingenious) in Russia but basically non-existent in the USA even in houses with radiator heat.
Gentleman Travel
04-16-14, 15:18
Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep...
OMG-I never thought of it that way! What'll we do? What'll we do?
Relax GT, the Crimea is not the beginning of Russian expansion, it is the end.
Putin will go no further than the Crimea, partly because he understands that Russia will have its hands full digesting its conquest, but mainly because he understands that if he does, everything will be up for grabs and he could lose the very thing he values most: the Crimea.
[...]Putin is not stupid, and he is not a hot-head. He understands the interdepencies of the modern day world. If he nationalizes foreign assets in Russia, that will be the end of foreign investment. Putin wants to present Russia to the world as a modern nation, that's what Sochi was all about. He does not want to take it back 40 years into the Cold War.
.And then there are future potential conflicts if the Putin Doctrine prevails: Transdnister, Eastern Oblasts, territorial disputes in Asian waters and not just by Russia, this is a valuable doctrine for anyone (like China) to adopt when convenient. And Russia's claim to the Arctic, if they are not to be bound by international law or norms.Stravinksy, I bow to your superior knowledge about Russian language and culture, but I hope you are not advising Mr. Obama on geo-politics.
Putin has the Eastern Oblasts simmering nicely now and may come to a full boil at any time. Whether he intends to turn up the heat more in Transdnister or not is unclear; he will probably just keep that simmering.
If he wanted to just keep Crimea, he would be making nice now. But as a minimum he wants to cripple the UA government and create grief for the West. More likely he wants to take over the eastern oblasts, whether by force or (more likely) by stealth.
But it is far from over.
Stravinsky
04-16-14, 18:46
but it is far from over.gt,
i think it is significant that jackson has waived his long standing ban on political discussions and allowed someone to create a thread in the ukraine forum for "ukraine politics". even jackson understands that you can't meet women for sex in the ukraine without understanding the politics.
i have no superior knowledge--all i know is what i read in the papers. is the ukraine a wildcard? absolutely. no one has any special understanding of the situation there and no one can predict what will happen. what is happening there is tragic. you are talking about a land with cultural, social and linguistic differences that have existed for centuries. in this environment, i don't think putin needs to do much of anything. all he has to do is stand by and let it happen.
it should be pointed out that putin has not actually traveled to the ukraine and stood up in front of its people and advocated for revolution, as john mccain did. this was irresponsible and reprehensible. but then, he's an american and we americans can't resist a good revolution. we like to go in with our six-shooters drawn, guns blazing and sort it all out after the smoke has cleared. we then return to the comfort of our lives and let someone else clean up the mess.
so, neither side is free from blame.
yatsenyuk has proposed a referendum, during the election in may, to allow the people in eastern ukraine to decide if they want to be a part of russia or ukraine. so, the borders may in fact be re-drawn, hopefully without a shot.
but, back to your concern about containing soviet expansion in the west...
could putin decide to send russian troops and tanks across the border of eastern ukraine? yes, of course, that is his decision to make. but this would be a de facto declaration of war; not only against ukraine, but also against europe, and that would unleash a completely new set of circumstances that even putin could not predict or control. and there is nothing more important to putin than being in control.
instead of speculating, i urge you again to read putin's speech of march 18th. normally putin keeps his cards pretty close to his vest, but in this speech he lays it all out there on the table. of course, there is a lot of bs and double talk, just as there is when any political world leader speaks, but there are also some excellent insights into how he thinks and what motivates him.
this is the link: eng.kremlin.ru/news/6889
the situation in ukraine is truly tragic, but i have to confess, all this hand-wringing over transdnistria is simply laughable. it is a tiny little sliver of land sandwiched between moldova and ukraine. there is absolutely nothing there that putin could want, aside from the ethnic russians and maybe the kvint factory (which makes excellent cognac-btw). it's only hope is to become a kind of disney-style theme park for the soviet union. bring the family, thrill to the harassment and insults of the border guards as they pick through your documenti, marvel at the accurate reproduction of a genuine third-world culture from days gone by, have your picture taken in front of lenin's statue, ride in a t34 and buy a bottle of kvint, before boarding your luxurious marshrut and chugging back to chisinau.
where do i sign up!!
the moscow times has an excellent article here: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/beyond_moscow/tiraspol.html?sphrase_id=4430803
no one can predict what will happen in ukraine, but i guarantee you: absolutely, positively, cross-my-heart-and-hope-to-die, putin will not annex transdnistria.
what i cannot guarantee is that merkel won't decide to annex kaliningrad. :d
The situation in Ukraine is truly tragic, but I have to confess, all this hand-wringing over Transdnistria is simply laughable.I have to agree with Strav on tis one. Transdnistra to Putin is like your mother's half brother who shows up unannounced for Thanksgiving every three years. You don't dare invite him because he's an embarrassment, but if you tell him to "fuck off" you look like an asshole front of the rest of your family. So you shrug your shoulders, set another plate and welcome him in hoping that he just go away.
My Moscow land-lady (a very sophisticated entrepreneur) came by yesterday so that I could re-sign the lease on my flat. Yeeees, I am going to stay in Moscow for another year (sigh) and she could not HELP but ask me what I thought of what's happening in Ukraine. I gave the usual perfunctory "tap dance" around the subject and while she was initialing all 45 pages of the agreement, I asked her what SHE thought. She put down her pen, gave me a stern look and said,
"I'm glad that I Crimea is part of Russia again. As a child I spent every summer in Crimea and I have not been back since 1991. This summer I will go back to Crimea and I hope to buy a flat there before prices get too high. But I think that if one Russian soldier sets foot in "Ukraine proper", Mr Putin will be making a serious mistake that will threaten all that we have struggled to achieve over the past 20 years".
This woman is not part of the Russian elite. She is part of the small (but growing) middle class that were well educated during Soviet times. They work hard, stay out of politics, pay their taxes and try to make a better life. She and her husband are nice people, both fluent in English who take calculated business risks and understand how Western business works. Just when I think Russia can't get any more fucked up, I think of my land-lady and realize that maybe there's hope for Russia yet.
I have to agree with Strav on tis one.Yes, another excellent contribution from Comrade Strav.
Not sure that referendum will offer the option of the eastern provinces transferring to Russia; greater autonomy is the more likely question, I would say.
Stravinsky
04-19-14, 06:20
Not sure that referendum will offer the option of the eastern provinces transferring to Russia; greater autonomy is the more likely question, I would say.G,
I agree. Vladimir Vladimirovich was uncharacteristically "warm and fuzzy" during his telethon last week. He is obviously feeling very full of himself and can afford to be generous.
It was a major mistake for the new government in Kiev to allow itself to be coerced by the nationalists into the position of declaring Ukrainian the only official language. Yetsenyuk has taken every opportunity to make it clear that anyone in the Ukraine my speak any language they want. Apparently his wife is Russian and they speak Russian at home.
It's fascinating how elemental language can be to a person's identity. If cooler heads will prevail and the government in Kiev will allow Russians to live like Russians, then that may be the salvation of the Ukraine.
Gentleman Travel
04-20-14, 15:42
It's fascinating how elemental language can be to a person's identity. If cooler heads will prevail and the government in Kiev will allow Russians to live like Russians, then that may be the salvation of the Ukraine.I agree. We live with this in Canada. Whenever the government of Quebec is in trouble they pick a fight over English language rights (I. E. Suppressing them). We (the Rest Of Canada) could put up with all the rest of their bullshit (socialism, nationalism, corruption, incompetence, economic suicide) but creating phony linguistic wars really gets us angry!
This also ties into something else Jake (I think) was saying. It used to be that everyone seemed to speak Russian in Ukraine, it wasn't until my fourth visit in 2010 that I came across a situation where Ukrainian was dominant. And now I find that my feeble attempts to speak Russian are not necessarily welcome,"Why don't you speak Ukrainian?" But who wants to invest time and energy into learning a niche language like that?
I understand the reaction of Ukrainians who feel their language and culture were suppressed for so many years, and their desire to be Ukrainian, not wannabe-Russians. But seriously, if a large fraction of your population already speaks (some) Russian, don't turn your back on that. Again, to go back to the Canadian example, it is like the government making sure that French in the dominant (or exclusive) language in business and school. Sure it makes you feel good in a nationalistic sense, but all those people would be a lot better off in life if they learned more English. Of course, all the elites speak English, but are happy to keep the peasants prisoners of their language.
SanGaetano
04-29-14, 01:36
Monger fends off attempted murder / robbery perpetrated by vicious bloodthirsty bandit tramps and their gang of hooligans!Wow, that was a hell of a dangerous situation. You are lucky that they just have a spray with them. There are some soft weapons (or or white weapons or whatever is called) which uses an kind of gas to blind the opponent for few moments, similar to Pepper but kind of more effective.
I am also a foreigner living in Russia, but thanks god I never caught myself in a similar situation. Of course I am cautious and use my common sense, but we can never know what will come out of a devushka, so basically I was lucky until now.
So what happened afterwards, did you report them to the cops? Anyways be careful, some people doesn't accept defeat for long time and someday seek vendetta.
San
It was a major mistake for the new government in Kiev to allow itself to be coerced by the nationalists into the position of declaring Ukrainian the only official language. Yetsenyuk has taken every opportunity to make it clear that anyone in the Ukraine my speak any language they want. Apparently his wife is Russian and they speak Russian at home.
It's fascinating how elemental language can be to a person's identity. If cooler heads will prevail and the government in Kiev will allow Russians to live like Russians, then that may be the salvation of the Ukraine.Strav, it was a dreadful and indeed almost juvenile error. At least acting president Turchinov had the good sense to veto that language law a day or two later.
The Russian language in the east of Ukraine is no guarantee of ethnicity as approximately 50% of those speakers would consider themselves Ukrainian.
Strav, it was a dreadful and indeed almost juvenile error. At least acting president Turchinov had the good sense to veto that language law a day or two later.
The Russian language in the east of Ukraine is no guarantee of ethnicity as approximately 50% of those speakers would consider themselves Ukrainian.Wow. This is an issue that seems to be getting less and less clear with each passing day.
Are telling us that just because a person who lives and the eastern part of Ukraine speaks Russian as his (or her) primary language, it does not necessarily mean that he considers himself Russian?
Wow. This is an issue that seems to be getting less and less clear with each passing day.
Are telling us that just because a person who lives and the eastern part of Ukraine speaks Russian as his (or her) primary language, it does not necessarily mean that he considers himself Russian?Jake, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. Apparently several reports and formal polls show that a (small) majority of Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine see themselves as Ukrainian and support a unified Ukraine. This is not to say they don't prefer ties with Russia over ties with Europe, just that they support the sovereignty of Ukraine.
Of course there are many conflicting reports.
Strav, it was a dreadful and indeed almost juvenile error. At least acting president Turchinov had the good sense to veto that language law a day or two later.No it was not an error. People in Western Ukraine have been demanding that Ukrainian be the only official language for years. They slogans are "One language, one nation, one country" and "hang the Russians". See here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go4Wwjuzm-s
Jake, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. Apparently several reports and formal polls show that a (small) majority of Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine see themselves as Ukrainian and support a unified Ukraine. This is not to say they don't prefer ties with Russia over ties with Europe, just that they support the sovereignty of Ukraine.
Of course there are many conflicting reports.Yummy,
I am only being a little sarcastic. I just assumed that the native Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine would, if given the chance, gravitate towards Russia and vote for separation from the rest of Ukraine and perhaps union with Russia. I think what Gergiev is saying is that many native Russian speakers who were born and live now in Ukraine would actually FAVOR staying as part of Ukraine. I find this a little surprising.
No it was not an error. People in Western Ukraine have been demanding that Ukrainian be the only official language for years. They slogans are "One language, one nation, one country" and "hang the Russians". See here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go4Wwjuzm-sSorry to disagree with you BB, but it WAS a rookie mistake. Unless of course, President Turchinov was deliberately trying to provoke a civil war and invite Russia to come and protect the linguistic freedom of Russian speakers. By attempting to pass this law, he drove wedge between hardline Ukrainian nationalists in the West and the Russian speakers in the East. This issue is a tinderbox that has been sitting near an open flame for many years. IMHO if he was the least bit interested in national unity, he would have steered clear of this contentious issue.
I AGREE with you that a very large percentage of Western Ukrainians never want to hear the Russian language spoken in Ukraine again. That is quite clear. But as a national leader, Turchinov fucked this one up. Mind you, he may not have had a choice in the matter and was forced to support a wave of anti-Russian sentiment. Who knows? But I am afraid that the situation is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
I am only being a little sarcastic. I just assumed that the native Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine would, if given the chance, gravitate towards Russia and vote for separation from the rest of Ukraine and perhaps union with Russia. I think what Gergiev is saying is that many native Russian speakers who were born and live now in Ukraine would actually FAVOR staying as part of Ukraine. I find this a little surprising.That's about the gist of it, Jake. Don't forget that language is not always the badge of ethnicity, in the same sense that in the north of Ireland both nationalities there speak English but, of course, the majority of one side consider themselves Irish and want to break the union with England.
Likewise in Ukraine, approx half of the Russian speaking population consider themselves Ukrainian and also give their allegiance to the Kiev Patriarchy of the Orthodox Church, while the Russians cleave to the Moscow Patriarchy, so closely aligned now with Putin. If you recall last month, then you had both Patriarchs preaching on the opposing sides of the Crimean developments.
Also, don't forget that in the original 1991 referendum, over 90% voted for Ukrainian independence and not just along crude 'language lines'...
Sorry to disagree with you BB, but it WAS a rookie mistake. Unless of course, President Turchinov was deliberately trying to provoke a civil war and invite Russia to come and protect the linguistic freedom of Russian speakers. By attempting to pass this law, he drove wedge between hardline Ukrainian nationalists in the West and the Russian speakers in the East. This issue is a tinderbox that has been sitting near an open flame for many years. IMHO if he was the least bit interested in national unity, he would have steered clear of this contentious issue.
I AGREE with you that a very large percentage of Western Ukrainians never want to hear the Russian language spoken in Ukraine again. That is quite clear. But as a national leader, Turchinov fucked this one up. Mind you, he may not have had a choice in the matter and was forced to support a wave of anti-Russian sentiment. Who knows? But I am afraid that the situation is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.Jake, I agree with the overall point you're making but I think you've slightly misread the detail. It was the new government that passed that law but Turchinov used his presidential powers to veto it, literally a day or two later.
I think BB's difference with me is a language issue in the sense that he thinks that I mean that they just made this decision erroneously rather than deliberately...
SanGaetano
06-22-14, 19:12
Fortunately for me, their gang was still waiting downstairs, thinking that the pepper spray would be enough to subdue me. This is very strange. One person can be that stupid to think she or he can knock a adult guy down with a shot of spray, ok. But this was a GROUP of people as you describe, somebody at last one there must have known that it is impossible for a female or even two to subdue a normal built (doesn't have to be strong) man with just a spray in the hand. This is at least stupid in a collective. Even more interesting is the fact that the same event happened a while ago in Kiew with another post. Something is weird here.
Im going to ask everyone about a situation and I would appreciate feedback from people that have experience here.
I now have what I consider a real girlfriend in Moscow. I call her Ariel as her name is unusual and I dont want anyone connecting this report with her. So much so that I am not really exploring options for new girls and am doing minimal work to maintain old girls. So the last two times I was Moscow (in May and this past weekend) my girlfriend stayed with me in my apartment for the whole trip (8 nights and 2 nights, respectively). On both trips, we invited her friend Ksusha to stay with us for the night on one of the nights and went out to a activity called Клаустрофобия before returning to the apartment. For my taste, except being tally than I like, Ksusha is a knockout. I love her look.Fantastic body and lovely face. For my personal taste, she is a solid 8.
When we were out together, and when we were at the apartment together before sleeping, Ksusha was friendly, a little flirty, and very nice. She smiled a lot and seemed to be enjoying herself. There was alittle sexual talk but it was just talk and there was zero physical contact of sexual or even flirty nature during either evenings (she didnt put her hand on my knee or touch my arm while talking or any of that standard flirty stuff. We sat next to each other a couple of times so there was contact then). So that was our interaction.
Now a note about me. I personally have 2 strong fetishes, with an additional ancillary fetish that goes along with one of the others. My first fetish is a girls tummy. I love a bare tummy and low rise jeans and a cropped shirt is about as sexy as anything can be to me if the girl has a thin, flat tummy. My other fetish is panties with the ancillary fetish of a girl wearing MY tshirt and her panties. Although I have never talked about them explicitly, Ariel has to be very aware of both of these fetishes. I have given her a dozen pairs of panties and I pay a LOT of attention to her tummy especially when she is wearing clothes. Ariel is very smart so I cant imagine she has not noted this.
Now I find it hard to believe that Ariel coordinated Ksushas wardrobe, but both times Ksusha wore something that is exactly my taste. She wore low rise jeans and a top that basically exposed her exquisite tummy the entire time we were out together. If she were showing cleavage, or had a short skirt on, I would have easily been able to enjoy it without having problems with staring or anything, but her exposed tummy was very difficult for me to ignore. Despite my arousal, I managed to contain my composure most of the time we were out.
Back in May Ksusha arrived at the apartment at around 22:00 and we sat around a table playing a board game until about 00:30 when we went to get food then went to the Клаустрофобия activity. We got back to the apartment about 04:00 and got ready for bed. Despite Ksusha already wearing a tank-top that I thing should have been fine for sleeping, Asya asked if I had a tshirt for her. OF COURSEI had a tshirt she could wear. The tshirt I chose for her was my Sublime tshirt which is old and very thin. I handed Ksusha the shirt and she went off to her bedroom not to be seen again (the apartment has a small second bedroom I had prepared for her). Ariel and I went off to our room which was right next door. When we got in the room we practically ripped off our clothes and started having sex. Ariel was her normal very vocal self. I can only think that Ksusha heard everything of our hour+ session.
Ariel and I woke up around noon and after coffee, she went to take a shower. Moments after she closed the bathroom door, Ksusha appeared in, guess what, my tshirt and no pants. I assumed she was wearing panties but the tshirt was long enough that it covered them. Ksushas legs looked great, and the tshirt was showing off her body very nicely.
I asked Ksusha if she wanted coffee, she said yess, and she came in the room to talk to me. I was wearing a tshirt and jeans so I was fully covered. We sat on the couch, and instead of sitting very lady like, she sat indian style on the couch facing me which gave me an excellent view of her braless breasts in my thin tshirt and also gave me an excellent view of the crtch of her very skimpy panties. She also shifted several times and gave me better views. She stood up and walked around and gave me a great view of her ass. I was in voyeur heaven, but I maintained my composure and did not give any overt indication that she was doing anything to me.
When the shower stopped (it was a long shower), Ksusha disappeared and apparently went into the bathroom, because soon after that Ariel came out and I heard the shower running again. Ariel was just wearing a towel and we fooled around some until the shower stooped and then Ariel went to get dressed. Not long both girls came out fully dressed and soon after they left because Ariel had to go to work. That is the end of Ksusha part 1.
The next day Ariel and I were talking. We had been planning a trip to Bali together. I was showing her pictures of the place we were staying and it was big and had 5+ beds. I was thinking that it would be fun to have sex all over this place, but Ariel came up with the idea of inviting Ksusha. I wasnt sure about it, but I was open to it. Ariel asked how much it would be for Ksusha. I told her that I would pay for everything for food, accommodations, and entertainment, and that Ksusha would only need to get her airline ticket and could get whatever she wanted with that. Ariel thought that was great. So with this, it is clear to me that Ariel is comfortable with Ksusha and me, but based on what had happened with Ksusha, I had zero clear indication whether anything sexual would occur. I thought the only thing I could count on for sure was that there would be friendly eye-candy running around.
In any case, cutting out the details, Ksusha did not end up going to Bali with us, but when I returned to Moscow dfor the weekend, we again invited Ksusha over for the night to go to do Клаустрофобия. Ksusha said she would arrive at the apartment around 21:00. Ariel said it was more likely she would show up around 23:00 so wanted to watch a movie in bed while we waited for her. So Ariel and I are in bed, Im in my tshirt and boxers and Ariel in my tshirt and her panties watching the movie on the TV and DVD player in the room (Butterfly Effect in English with Russian subs). Ariel seemed shocked that around 21:00 (30 minutes into the movie), Ksusha sernt a SMS saying she had arrived.
So Ariel ran downstairs (1 flight, the owner had not given us the door code) without putting pants on and brought Ksusha upstairs. They talked some in Russian (I understood almost none of it) but Ariel said she wanted to finish the movie. So Ksusha took off her pants and joined us in bed. I was on one side of the bed and Ariel was in the middle with Ksusha on the far side. For most of the movie Ariel was laying against my chest and I had my arms around her with the occasional sexual touching. There was almost no contact with Ksusha during the movie, but it was nice knowing she was in bed next to us.
So when we get out of bed, Ksusha puts her pants on immediately, and I followed her lead and put my jeans on but Ariel stayed in my tshirt and her panties.
We hung around the apartment some, ate food, did some Russian language practice (mostly swear words and slang), and then at 01:30 we went to our activity. We got back home around 04:00. This was a different apartment from last time and theer was no second bedroom. Ksusha was set to sleep on the couch. Again Ariel asked if Ksusha could use one of my tshirts and I said of course. I actually had the same Sublime tshirt she wore the previous month, and brought that to her. She asked me if that was going to be her tshirt, and I said something like no, I just liked it better after she wore it. She gave me the biggest smile.
In any case, she still had her jeans on but instead of waiting or going into the other room, she turned her back to me and Ariel, she took her own shirt and bra off, and put my tshirt on. She then took her jeans off. It seemed very erotic to me. Only after she changed clothes did she walk into the bathroom. She could have easily changed clothes in there. While Ksusha was in the bathroom, Ariel and I headed off to the bedroom, and again had a very nice session of very vocal sex.
Around 11:00 in the morning Ariel and I went to the living room and Ksusha was still asleep. We woke her up by Ariel pouncing on her. I was wearing my tshirt and boxers and Ariel was wearing my tshirt and some very skimpy and VERY sheer panties I had given her. Ksusha woke up and stayed in my Tshirt and her (also quite skimpy) panties. We had coffee and Ariel made us breakfast. Both girls looked great but neither was being particularly flirty with me. They had a converstation in Russian that I hardly understood any of but after the conversation Ksusha went to the bathroom. Ariel told me she had an appointment at 14:00 and so had to go soon for a couple of hours and that Ksusha was going for a massage so would leave at the same time. At that point Ksusha returned from the bathroom wearing only her own tanktop which was white and tight fitting and no bra, and her panties. Her body was devine and what she wore left very little to the imagination.
I am observing the situation sitting on the couch drinking coffee. The girls talked more in Russian and then Ksusha started doing some yoga-like exercises. Ariel then left the room to take a shower. So I am sitting on the couch and Ksusha is talking to me while wearing very little and bending and stretching and spreading her legs and showing me pretty much everything she could without actually getting naked. I am very casual about it all and dont get off the couch and dont comment on her activities. I am sitting there in my boxers with an absolute raging hard-on and I cant get rid of it, and I cant stand up. It was a mix of heaven and torture. Not long later Ariel completed her shower and moments later came back in the room wearing just a towel. Ksusha does not stiop her exercising and Ariel joins her for a few stretches and bends exposing her bare ass and pussy repeatedly. Afeter a while she comes over and sits on my lap and starts to laught when she finds my state of arousal. She says a few things to Ksusha and then just sits on my lap with her arms around me with a big smile while Ksusha finishes up her exercises.
When Ksusha is done, she goes off to the shower and Ariel and I play a bit until the shower stops. After her shower, Ksusha comes back in the room briefly wrapped in just a towel and then goes back to the bathroom. Ariel and I go to get dressed (I said I would shower when they left) and when we went back out Ksusha was already dressed. Not long after, both girls left. A couple of hours later, Ariel returned to me and we went immediately to the bedroom for some sex. Afterward we just rested in each others arms for a couple of hours until it was time for me to leave. We walked to a restaurant, had a late lunch, then she drove me to the aeroexpress and I was gone.
In my three previous experiences with Russian girls inviting over their girlfriends, it was obvious to me that it was both expected and invited for me to be both verbally and physically flirtatyious with the girlfriends. All the other relationships I had were super casual and I dont think the girls really thought of me as their serious boyfriend. Diana invited over Katya and later Katya and I hooked up. Katya invited over Nadya, we had significant physical flirting and later Nadya and I hooked up. Kori invited over Sveta and overtly suggested I start seeing Sveta and basically invited me to be physically flirtatious with her.
In this case, Ariel and I have become more serious. Ariel says she loves me and I believe she at least thinks she does. I am also pretty smitten with Ariel and have strong feelings for her. There is certainly no overt suggestion I should be physically flirtatious with Ksusha and certainly no invitation to start seeing her. As far as I know, Ksusha and Ariel do not have a history of sharing sexual activity with a man (3-way). I also note that Ksushas most provocative actions are when Ariel is not in the room.
So here is my question. I see 3 different possibilities here.
1. This is just a normal and natural way for these Russian girls to act. Getting practically naked in front of a best friends boyfriend the night you meet is cool, and they dont see it as provocative or problematic at all.
2. Ksusha (or both girls) is testing me to see if I will make a move on her so that she will know if her best friends boyfriend is only out for sex or is true to her and as a way to protect Ariel.
3. Ksusha is actually interested in me in some form.
I am curious to know based on what I have said here what you guys think is going on. And please dont just say Id fuck Ksusha.
For those interested in a reference I included a picture of Ksusha.
Suka Shalava
06-27-14, 06:11
This is very strange. One person can be that stupid to think she or he can knock a adult guy down with a shot of spray, ok. But this was a GROUP of people as you describe, somebody at last one there must have known that it is impossible for a female or even two to subdue a normal built (doesn't have to be strong) man with just a spray in the hand. This is at least stupid in a collective. Even more interesting is the fact that the same event happened a while ago in Kiew with another post. Something is weird here.What WAS the similar post in the Kiev thread? I would very much like to read that!
That some bandit-gang puttanas in another Russian city tried the same plan? Well, you can bet they're proud enough to post their 'How to Roll a Mark' videos on YouTube.
You're also forgetting, or did not understand a few key points of what went down. I had already known Tanya for TWO years, sat in my place drinking 5 or 6 times before, and she was always cool. Yes, I knew about her being gang-connected. But I've had other girlfriends like that before, where I live, and I never got rolled by any of them. One afternoon I was at work, two wasted hoes came to my building to blow me, when they saw I wasn't home they got mad and spray painted "FUCK-SHIT-BIX# in the laundry room, HAHA! Though, now that I think about it, if there was ever a crime scene on the news here about a tourist-robbery-gone-wrong-turned-grisly-murder, it was always some fool foreigner! Guess I needed to be taught a hard fucking lesson, because all I ever really watched out for was hoes trying to put roofies in my drink glass.
Tanya's plan was really counting on the element of surprise, and it almost worked. When I say almost, I really mean that it was as close as it could get. It must have been the first time they tried this. The "shot" of spray you imagine, was not a like a small stream or jet, it was really a giant fucking cloud. It was SO much, and because she blasted me from point blank and right at the small space of the doorway, it looked like half of the cloud blew right back in HER face.
The plan was for Tanya to confuse me, keeping me busy JUST long enough so her girlfriend could grab my key out of the lock. The first part DID work. I don't think in all my life I have ever been THAT confused, in that moment when she pressed the valve to blast the gas in my face. At the same moment in my brain, I did not know what happened, I couldn't believe it! But then somehow I realized instantly that if her girlfriend got the key, then I couldn't GET out, OR push THEM out. I knew if she got the key out of the door with it still locked, I would have to fight them to get it back, while they would be gassing me more, and that it probably would have gotten extremely and terribly violent, and that either I was going to have kill them or they would have to kill me, one or the other.
And it would have worked, because that gas really fucking chokes you and blinds you, but it does take about 15-20 seconds to completely immobilize you, when the fire ignites in your eyes, ears, nose, mouth, lungs, and all the skin on your face, scalp, and neck.
But because Tanya got surprised too, by so much gas blowing back in her own face, she lost her concentration for just long enough, that instead of jumping ON me, I immediately lunged at her, lifting her up off the floor to throw her against the closet door. So because I got the jump on HER, when she bounced back towards me off the closet door, she was only able to stab me in the knee as I put her down to the ground with a roundhouse kick.
Stopping Tanya gave me just enough time to get my hand on the key in the door, before her girlfriend reached for it to take it out of the door. The moment I got my hand on the key, her girlfriend grabbed my hand with BOTH of her hands, desperately pulling and trying to make me let go of the key. I still had one hand free to pull her hands off of my hand, so I did that, pushed her down to the floor, and turned the key. That was it, that was everything, I opened the door, air to take a breath! I grabbed them one at a time, throwing their heads against the wall in the hallway hard enough to fall down. When they hit the floor, I closed and locked the door, GAME OVER.
Well, for them. I still had to deal with the neighbors and the Militsia, and bleeding for hours. And that was after sitting in the tub with ice water pouring over my head for 30 minutes.
So finally to your question, yes, about the GROUP. When I first buzzed Tanya in on the domafon, just the two of them came up in the elevator. If they had brought in guys, to come up the stairs and wait, when I opened the door to throw out Tanya and her girlfriend out, if guys were waiting there, they would have a chance to rush the door, and I would not be here now writing this. Seriously.
I learned my lesson, everybody please pay attention now, OK???? ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be careful. When it doesn't feel right, BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL. Just don't associate with gangs. Always obey ALL laws.
There's a few cool places, by the way, that sell very sharp hunting knives, not expensive at all, they are very effective for self defense. The last thing that anyone should EVER get involved with is violence. Always obey ALL laws!
Never hurts to let anyone know, and I always do, that as long as they behave themselves, everything will always be pleasant and actually they'll be very happy, BUT, IF they even get ANY ideas about trying to pull some shit like robbing me, I will of course be legally justified and very practiced to act in self defense, and prepared to use excessive deadly force with those very sharp hunting knives, and that would be a shame because there will only be pieces left of them to scoop up for their funeral.
Just so, you know, they don't get the wrong idea, you know what I mean?
So here is my question. I see 3 different possibilities here.
1. This is just a normal and natural way for these Russian girls to act. Getting practically naked in front of a best friends boyfriend the night you meet is cool, and they dont see it as provocative or problematic at all.
2. Ksusha (or both girls) is testing me to see if I will make a move on her so that she will know if her best friends boyfriend is only out for sex or is true to her and as a way to protect Ariel.
3. Ksusha is actually interested in me in some form.
You got it on the first try. While not universal amongst Russian girls, this kind of thing is quite usual. I have seen this kind of "looney" behavior before. Makes very little sense to the Western mind. The best way for Ksusha to show her approval of Ariel's choice in boyfriends is to tease you and perhaps even hit on you. I doubt very much that it is a test. If you like her, make a move on her and see what happens. You may well end up in a 3-way!!
Stravinsky
06-28-14, 20:10
As far as I know, Ksusha and Ariel do not have a history of sharing sexual activity with a man (3-way). I also note that Ksushas most provocative actions are when Ariel is not in the room.And the answer is...
4. All of the above.
I think Jake is right, although their casual attitude does seem to go beyond BFF's, particularly when displaying their erogenous zones, it's not particularly scandalous.
The question is, should you respond?
Don't take this personal, but much of what you report in your post says more about you, specifically, as an American male and your attitudes and predilections regarding sex than it does about the dyevooshki you're with. I know, because I'm an American male myself (reformed).
Regardless of the reason, I think they are deliberately trying to provoke you. I imagine they are curious to see just how long it will take before you take that bad boy out of your pants and actually do something with it. The next time you find yourself with a raging hard-on while Ksyusha is bending over in front of you, you should put it where you think it will do the most good. If the girls call you on it, you have the ultimate excuse--you're a man.
Remember, in Russia, it's OK to be a man. Not only is it OK, it's actually expected.
There is another possibility that you didn't mention--Ariel and Ksyusha have a thing for each other and they want to lure you into a 3 way for their own purposes.
You are being seduced, buddy boy, lose the Puritanical American upbringing and enjoy it.
удачи Вам
Remember, in Russia, it's OK to be a man. Not only is it OK, it's actually expected.
Hear, hear Stav. Well put.
As strange as it may sound, it's the single thing that Westerners here forget most often. We are EXPECTED to respond to our most primal of instincts. Russian girls are raised to EXPECT men to want sex. If a Russian girl is prancing around half naked in front of a man, then she expects to get some sort of a response. This puritanical Western idea of controlling our urges is, to some degree, irrelevant here. Of course, it does not give a man license to behave badly in public or even to be rude to woman. But if a girl is doing something to arouse you, then there is nothing wrong with letting her know that you are aroused. More often than not she will give you the "green light" to proceed or she will slink off in embarrassment.
Bubba Ho-Tep (2002), 13 minutes into the film, just after Callie (blonde, blue top, very short black skirt) throws her father's stuff into the trash bin.
Regardless of the reason, I think they are deliberately trying to provoke you. I imagine they are curious to see just how long it will take before you take that bad boy out of your pants and actually do something with it. The next time you find yourself with a raging hard-on while Ksyusha is bending over in front of you, you should put it where you think it will do the most good. If the girls call you on it, you have the ultimate excuse--you're a man.And this is exactly why I did not ask you directly. I have no doubt she is trying to provoke me. My question is more what can I expect the fallout from that provocation to be?
Strav, you basically say you are a reformed American male and that in Russia men are expected to act on their sexual urges, but I often think there must be a reason why attractive, young Russian girls would go for a man like me. As totally good looking and charming as I am (not), maybe a Russian girl falls for me precisely because I am different than my Russian brethren. I am doing better in Russian than I ever thought would be possible. I don't want to fuck up a great thing.
The fact is, if I can get away with fucking both girls without losing Ariel, then I am all for it. It would not be the first time. But in reality my relationship with Ariel is more important to me than fucking Ksusha. This is why I am asking the question.
The fact is, if I can get away with fucking both girls without losing Ariel, then I am all for it. It would not be the first time. But in reality my relationship with Ariel is more important to me than fucking Ksusha. This is why I am asking the question.OK Yummy, I suppose it's POSSIBLE that this is all an elaborate scheme on Ariel's part to "test" you. And that she has enlisted her friend Ksusha to seduce you to the point where you show your true colors thereby breaking the faith with Ariel proving to her once and for all that you are a dirty dog just like her Russian country men. IF this is true (and that's a big IF), then Ariel is a very calculating customer not typically characteristic of Russian women in this day and age.
Because of the "live for today" attitude that has been so prevalent in post-Soviet Russia, girls of that age tend to take their chances with what they have in front of them at that moment. Opting for "Mr. Right-now" rather than holding our for "Mr. Right". Again, IF this true, then perhaps you are dealing with a woman who has evolved beyond her Russian roots into something that more closely resembles a "Western Woman". Which, of course, begs the question "what's the point?
Stravinsky
07-01-14, 18:33
I am doing better in Russia than I ever thought would be possible. I don't want to fuck up a great thing.
But in reality my relationship with Ariel is more important to me than fucking Ksusha. This is why I am asking the question.
OMG... we've lost him. He's in love. :)
You need to take a moment, step back from the situation, and get some fresh, well-seasoned perspective. When you first set your sights on Moscow, you were absolutely fearless. You jumped in feet first, locked 'n loaded, guns blazing. But now, it seems, you've got your paw stuck in the honey pot and you're not quite sure what to do about it.
First, you need to separate the dancer from the dance. Of course you've been fabulously successful and are having the time of your life. For the first time in your life, you are in Russia. You need to understand, any man in your situation, willing to make the kind of commitment of time and effort that you have made will also be fabulously successful. There are some members of this forum who hardly report anymore because they are too busy managing their stable of Russian girlfriends (you know who you are).
Second, you need to get a perspective on Russian women. For American men, Russian women are a little like jet fuel. You need to take a step back and make some changes in your operating parameters before you self destruct; install some oversize injector ports, adjust the fuel mixture, maybe open up the exhaust a little and then get used to running at the higher RPM's that Russian women require before before you take any serious decisions.
As to your question about the specific consequences of fucking Ariel's girlfriend, I concur with Jake, there is no reason for concern. Only American women are so insecure about their sexuality that they need to invent elaborate plots to trick their boyfriend/spouse into exposing themselves as the dogs that they know all men to be (again, need to stop thinking like an American). Russian women don't need to do this because they already know that all men are dogs, and they're fine with that--up to a point of course.
When Ariel sat down in your lap and discovered your new found affection for Ksyusha poking up between her thighs, she had all the evidence she needed to condemn you, if that was her purpose. The fact that she, and Ksyusha, were able to laugh about it shows that it was not a big deal for them.
You need to consider the possibility that Ariel and Ksyusha are just as perplexed by your behavior as you are by theirs.
So, go ahead and enjoy yourself, buddy boy--grab that brass ring. But you do need to be a little discreet about it, I mean you are, after all, a gentleman. Probably not a good idea for Ariel to step out of the shower, walk into the living room and find you porking her girlfriend. But the next time your girlfriend invites her girlfriend to join you in bed, you might try something, you know, subtle. Take Ksyushas hand, gently, and wrap it around your cock.
It's those simple gestures of intimacy that get a girl's heart racing. :)
счастливо
BTW - I still think it's possible that Ariel and Ksyusha may have a whole 'nother agenda that you haven't even thought of yet, just between themselves.
IF this true, then perhaps you are dealing with a woman who has evolved beyond her Russian roots into something that more closely resembles a "Western Woman". Which, of course, begs the question "what's the point?Thank you gentlemen for a great exchange of ideas. It is the best exchange we have had in a while.)) I hope it will give others some insight, too.
Really, I am not as pathetic as I sound here. Nothing either of you have said is a surprise to me and clearly you are right.
Just this afternoon I basically dumped Anna, rejuvenated Sveta, and skyped with Ariel for an hour where she spent a good chunk of time showing me some clothes she bought which included stripping down to nothing or almost nothing about 15 times and showing herself off to me.
Before I even started this discussion I promised myself the next time I will make a play for Ksusha. I am learning some new phrases that might come in handy. I came across an old CityXGuide Forum where some familiar characters had some lively discussion on that exact topic.
SanGaetano
07-02-14, 00:59
[QUOTE=YummyPL;1586939Клаустрофобия .[/QUOTE]But what the bleep is a "claustrophobia activity"?).
Sounds like "clubbing", according to the hours you said.
Stravinsky
07-02-14, 01:55
I promised myself the next time I will make a play for Ksusha. I am learning some new phrases that might come in handy. I came across an old CityXGuide Forum where some familiar characters had some lively discussion on that exact topic.So, enlighten us!
But what the bleep is a "claustrophobia activity"?).
Sounds like "clubbing", according to the hours you said.Hard to explain. Look it up on Trip Adviser or phobia.ru. It is like a puzzle activity. Not clubbing at all. Moscow has lots to do in the middle of the night.)).
SanGaetano
07-03-14, 06:52
Hard to explain. Look it up on Trip Adviser or phobia.ru. It is like a puzzle activity. Not clubbing at all. Moscow has lots to do in the middle of the night.)).Oh ok, thanks for the answer. I found a reportage about these kinds of activity on the net. Exotic, but not very safe I would say, specially the pat where you guys enter old, abandoned properties. Not my cup of tea, but anyone has his own taste. Maybe I am too old for such adventures.
What about swinger clubs? Does anyone have experience on that? I recently found an upcoming event, that I would consider visiting (see details bellow), anyone else would like to give it a try (I translated it via google translator)?
Dear friends!
July 4, club "Fortuna" invites you to "Southern Coast"!
Soaking in a corner of southern landscapes and sun.
Enjoy a hot bath, warm sand and gentle water.
Party Format: Gang-Bang, welcome couples, single men and women.
Cost of participation:
Couple -2000 rubles.
Man - 3000 rubles.
Women. For free!
Great music from our favorite DJ.
Leading (I am not sure what this is supposed mean).
Our parties are held on the system.
All Inclusive!
Hot and cold snacks.
Whiskey, cognac, wine, champagne, beer, b / a drink.
All this does not end until the end of the party.
We do not skimp on the organization of your stay.
Russian women are a little like jet fuel. You need to take a step back and make some changes in your operating parameters before you self destruct; install some oversize injector ports, adjust the fuel mixture, maybe open up the exhaust a little and then get used to running at the higher RPM's that Russian women require before before you take any serious decisions.
Ha ha ha. Good one!!
Hi guys,
Regards from a Ramadan month in Istanbul. I am thirsty hungry and abhaza for a long time and planning a new trip to Odessa in the end of month. Where are all of you?
Strav how was St. Pete?
Yummy did you receive my mail?
And Jake how is Moscow?
And another question for Jake. After the last conflict between Ukraine and Russia where all the young Russian girls are going for their sun and beach vacation? Odessa and Evp isn't an option for them anymore. Also I am happy Russian men are out of game by this way but I am still curious where all the Russian girls in summer? I think for Tiraspol Moldovia but there are some negative reports about there.
Stravinsky
07-10-14, 05:12
After the last conflict between Ukraine and Russia where all the young Russian girls are going for their sun and beach vacation? Odessa and Evp isn't an option for them anymore. I am still curious where all the Russian girls in summer?Iceberg,
I think you may be a little disoriented after all that fasting and praying. The Crimea is now a part of Russia. It will be jammed with Russians this summer, some of them making their first trip since the end of the Soviet Union. That includes Yevpatoria. If I were you, I would be checking for airfares from IST to SIP. If you play your cards right, the Crimea could be your playground this summer.
Iceberg,
I think you may be a little disoriented after all that fasting and praying. The Crimea is now a part of Russia. It will be jammed with Russians this summer, some of them making their first trip since the end of the Soviet Union. That includes Yevpatoria. If I were you, I would be checking for airfares from IST to SIP. If you play your cards right, the Crimea could be your playground this summer.Strav,
Yeah but I don't want a gun shot on my head!
Moreover Yummy thinks Ukraine women are easier than Russian and I guess place would be full of Russian women and Ukranian will be out of there.
Also please check Reiner 's last posts in Odessa section. He is experienced on this region and thinks Crimea isn't an option anymore.
Regards.
SanGaetano
07-10-14, 10:11
So basically nobody on this giant sex forum never ever tried a swingerclub in Moscow, a city with 10 million people. Wow.
Anyway, maybe there is a special forum for this somewhere, but it will be in Russian tough.
Stravinsky
07-10-14, 15:20
Yeah but I don't want a gun shot on my head!
Crimea is secure, it is under direct Russian control. No shot in the head there, Vladimir Vladimirovich will not allow it. Only possibility for shot in the head will be in Ukraine, particularly eastern Ukraine, and also Odessa.
Only problem with Crimea is that it has been under Ukrainian control for so long it's falling apart.
Any other excuses? :)
Crimea is secure, it is under direct Russian control. No shot in the head there, Vladimir Vladimirovich will not allow it. Only possibility for shot in the head will be in Ukraine, particularly eastern Ukraine, and also Odessa.
Only problem with Crimea is that it has been under Ukrainian control for so long it's falling apart.
Any other excuses? :)Yeah I think I need a friend on this insecure land. Maybe you want to join me.)).
Putologist
07-29-14, 00:46
I am new to this site, but not too new into the jon scene. I am still getting use in posting messages / reports and hope that this forum is not only about P2P & prostitute. Because to honest I have fun in hunting too, despite the fact that sometimes the hunter go home with an empty bag: It is a different thing if you are, let's say, in a state like Alaska and you go to a walmart to but a salmon almost ready to eat, maybe you just have to warm it up at home, you are eating "their" fish; if you compare it with "that" salmon you fished with your own hands and with your own skills, with your brain, it was not easy, but you did it you got it, oh yes "this" salmon is your wild thing, it is "your" fish, for me it is another feeling, another experience, same family of fish, but different tastes.
Nothing against professional hoes, again I do it myself many times a year.
But hunting a Russian woman in a bar or club is fun too, and it is a very different action than in the west, specially different than the US, maybe a little bit similar to West / North Europe. I could observe that Russian women are not ashamed to be considered "gold digger" and to frankly confirm that they have a fetish with material things (expensive western bags, shoes, perfumes), and many are " gift junkies" (I give you an example: I once brought a totally strange woman to my flat just because. After a long small talk of course. I convinced her that I have a present for her at home, after sleeping with her I said "this was just a bait", she didn't like the "trick", of course, and I only did this because a friend of mine did it too and told me it works, but I didn't believe him, I thought this was a joke from him, well the next day I told him my experience and he said: I told you, it always work).
I was dating a girl who used to dance for the Bolshoi, but then after some weeks an Oligarch who was sponsoring that ballet showed interest for her. I am not a poor person, but of course I can't compare myself with an Oli, no way.
So yes he took my lady, what should I say? That's life. It could be worst: leaving me be to stay with a poorer guy. Jut kidding, but well this would at least contradicted my opinion about diewushkies as well.
Putologist
08-18-14, 11:20
I've been in a expat party some months ago. I will put the Russian girls in 4 groups: the nogos, the illiterate, the hunter and the booties.
The nogos were -to my surprise- the most open and, frankly, the most hot of all 4 groups. The only problem, they were either married (most of them married to expats) or had boyfriends (even if they were not present, I didn't like the idea at all). Fortunately a small group. In my first expat party I was flirting with one exemplar of this species, she (lets call her Svetlana) smiled all the time, was friendly and I thought that was a done deal. But at the end of the party I invited her to my place when she confessed she is married to a American man who is waiting for her at home, and I lost my precious time with her, many nice women were there. Since then I never fall again in this "trap". Now I can spot a nogo from 500 miles away in my pussymeter radar.
The illiterates were the women who didn't speak any other language other Russian. Some looked good (I could invest in some of them with help of google translator, but I asked myself "why?" to do it with plenty of girls present who spoke English), some not. A small group, in order to save time and misunderstandings, I preferred to avoid them. Let them to the fellow lucky mongers who speaks Russian.
The hunters were the one looking for a rich husband end / or a Language teacher for free. Not more then that, not less than that.
Those looking to somebody to teach them English (or the relevant language you speak) for free or at least make some "cost free" efforts in order to help her improve her English skills were quite young (Ok now some of you will say: Accept it and fuck her and say goodbye. No, sorry but in my experience, most of these women are solely looking for a "gratis teacher", not a lover, not a fuck buddy; if you are lucky they will put you in the friendzone). Unfortunately the biggest group in the house. Since I am neither a teacher nor wannabee hubby, I can also put them in the "nogo" group as well.
And finally, the booties were nice looking ladies who spoke English, were single and looking for fun. Unfortunately a small group. And damned, they are hard to spot from the nogos and hunters: Svetlana for example, can be easily be mistakenly considered a "bootie". Until she start to be honest to you, then you classify her immediately as a nogo, after loosing time and in the worst case, money with drinks.
Stravinsky
08-18-14, 18:39
The illiterates were the women who didn't speak any other language other Russian. You must be an American.
To deal with Russian women, you have to take into account at least 3 points:
A. The level of education of average people is very high. Most of the girls I meet have read Maupassant and Balzac (especially these 2 writers), even the girls who have an average job and who live in a small studio way out in the suburbs. For me, part of the fun is to talk to the girl like with a good friend; even with the language gap, it way better than with Cariocas GDP and that with Asian girls.
Be. These girls know what they want. They are very romantic but also very realistic. They KNOW that "1042; М1086;1089;1082;1074;1077;, с1083;1077;1079;1099; н1077; п1086;1084;1086;1075;1091;1090; "in Moscow, tears don't help", Russian version for "There is no such thing as a free meal". The Russian have a strong feeling of belonging to the Russian people, but every single individual knows he has to build his life by himself, and for the women not relaying on the men.
See. For a Russian woman, sex is just normal, very little moral issue, and little social issue. She knows the male behavior, she does not dream to change it; so she has sex when she thinks it is good for her, whatever "good" is for her.
If you were in an expat party with Russian girls, you tried to find out the ones that could be of any interest to you, that is exactly what they do. They can be the fishes and you the fisher, but they also can be the hunter and you the rabbit.
Now it can be very very fun if you can show them, you are not a rabbit, but you are a bear (they like strong men), a mink (they like rich men), a fox (they like clever men), or any other animal of high interest.
Good luck, as for me, Moscow is the very best place if you like beautiful women and sex.
The illiterates were the women who didn't speak any other language other Russian...Don't fool yourself. They might have read more books from the beginning till the end than you ever held in your hands.
Russia has a long tradition translating literature as well their own fabulous writers.
You must be an American.Mostly they are zhutkie inostrancy and zhutkie inostrancy izvrashhency. Only their gender is consistent. Sina Weibo has been chronicling their exploits for years (thousands of threads and hundreds of thousands of posts devoted to them) and both Asian and Russian girls often get the party started with the line: ty ne poverish', chto jetot zhutkij inostranec skazal mne segodnja! After that, every time someone says "CFG" everyone has to do a shot.
Stravinsky
08-19-14, 18:48
ты не поверишь что же тот жуткие иностранец сказал мне сегодня! (You will never believe what that creepy foreigner told me today!)True, illiteracy is a relative term. In China, I would be a complete fool (which might not be a bad occupation).
I imagine this is what most of us жуткие иностранцы (creepy foreigners) look like to Russian dyevooshki
BTW - go ahead and post in Cyrillic, Jackson seems to have become much more enlightened about that. The only thing more difficult to understand than the Cyrillic alphabet is a Romanization of the Cyrillic alphabet. Just include an English translation (for all of us illiterates) and the Admin Gods should be happy.
Putologist
08-19-14, 19:31
Don't fool yourself. They might have read more books from the beginning till the end than you ever held in your hands.
Russia has a long tradition translating literature as well their own fabulous writers.Well I did not want to offend any Russian lady (I suppose you are a Russian woman yourself?) here, who does not speak any word of English or French etc. I just looked for a name for that group of girls. Maybe this was a bad choice of name. But it is not to be understood in the literally meaning of the word "illiterate" either. Besides that, just the fact hat somebody reads "a lot of books" doesn't make that person intelligent. And BTW, I read many many books myself to begin with, this is one of my hobbies.
Putologist
08-19-14, 21:42
Most of the women in that party seem to feel quite good with us foreigners, specially with the "bad boys". In fact there were more women than men (not unusual in Russian, they use to explain that with the many men killed in WW2). Specially young Russians ladies liked very much the company of, well Americans for example.
Actually I don't need to write this, since it is more than logical: -Which Russian lady would "pay" to go to an event full of foreigners guys with very bad, aroused, exotic well lets say creepy behavior. I don't see any logic in going to meet people I don't like. And we are talking here about very intelligent girls (who read millions of books LOL), they know exactly what to expect in such parties, some are even veterans.
Suka Shalava
08-20-14, 12:42
Aren't we all fortunate that we all don't prefer the same thing? Isn't that what makes life more interesting? How boring would it be, if we all preferred the same thing?
For others here, some actually prefer ladies that can not speak any English at all. For some, we actually prefer to be the first lover from a far away country that a Russian lady has.
When I'm faced with a choice, I would always choose a lady who speaks no English, and the reasons for that are several, and various. If I am seeking a lady to discuss literature with, I will go to the library!
When a lady is properly and sufficiently sexually stimulated, her moaning, squealing, heavy breathing, wry smile, mild embarrassment, and lip biting needs no translation, and that's more than enough for this monger. No conversation required.
No English is certainly more difficult, granted. But since when is easy, better? Some of us prefer the greater challenge. Others will find it difficult to understand that, UNTIL they journey to destinations less traveled, out in the provinces, where it's typical to find few or no English speaking ladies.
Putologist
08-20-14, 12:48
Taste is a personal choice. And BTW, in the worst case there will be always our old good friend "google" to translate at least the basic stuff. (be sure there is enough battery).
If I am seeking a lady to discuss literature with, I will go to the library!
Now, that is very funny. You made my day.
Most of the women in that party seem to feel quite good with us foreigners, specially with the "bad boys". In fact there were more women than men (not unusual in Russian, they use to explain that with the many men killed in WW2). Specially young Russians ladies liked very much the company of, well Americans for example.
Actually I don't need to write this, since it is more than logical: -Which Russian lady would "pay" to go to an event full of foreigners guys with very bad, aroused, exotic well lets say creepy behavior. I don't see any logic in going to meet people I don't like. And we are talking here about very intelligent girls (who read millions of books LOL), they know exactly what to expect in such parties, some are even veterans.Some years ago, most of the Russian girls who attended "expat events", were on the hunt for a husband. Today, mos t of the girls who attend and can speak English are looking for new clients. They work for logistics companies, temp agencies, recruiters, etc and come to these events looking to network and get your business. IMHO, these events are a waste of time if you are just looking for sex.
Some years ago, most of the Russian girls who attended "expat events", were on the hunt for a husband. Today, mos t of the girls who attend and can speak English are looking for new clients. They work for logistics companies, temp agencies, recruiters, etc and come to these events looking to network and get your business. IMHO, these events are a waste of time if you are just looking for sex.That's not only true in Moscow but also for ambitious Russians living in major world cities. Years back, I use to attend real estate mixers held by Russians and Polish agents and always a good blow job to be had in the restaurant parking lot. Now, it is what it is, a networking event.
always a good blow job to be had in the restaurant parking lot. Now, it is what it is, a networking event.That's perfectly put!! A sad testament to the fact that Russia truly has evolved. Not to pour cold water on the topic of blow jobs, but it really is interesting to watch how a society evolves over time and to track key indicators to get hints into relative prosperity and how this impacts social behavior and perhaps even self esteem in young women. I mean, did they stop giving blow jobs in the restaurant parking lots because they no longer liked giving blow jobs? I doubt it. They stopped giving blow jobs in the parking lot because they felt they no longer NEEDED to. I think this is a key point to keep in mind when trying to understand how the sex scene evolves over time in a particular city or country.
What's to understand? The history of all fabled mongering destinations (Once upon a time, when I was a soldier in Vietnam. Once upon a time, when I was in Russia just after the default. Once upon a time, when I was in Paris after the war ended) is tied to the economic state of that destination, which is why the Ukraine threads are full of wishes for a full-fledged economic meltdown, so as to bring Ukrainian girls back on their knees into the parking lots. For the price of a cigarette, presumably, and why more and more you see postings about finding the promised land in rural areas of Russia, I. E. the still grimly impoverished areas, where the girls are real girls and on their knees.
The simple truth is the girls didn't and don't like or want to swallow genetic material in a parking lot from FGs they just met, because if they really did like and want it they would still be doing it, and clearly they are not, at least not with FGs, not like they were doing it 'once upon a time' when men were real men and women were real women and 9's and 10's were on their knees in such numbers in parking lots you would have thought you were at a Milan fashion show, only better. Times, they have changed for mongers, and the parking lots of the major and inferior urban centers of Russia (I steadfastly refuse to name the alleged southern capital, even to diss it) are no longer that which they once were.
Of course they may doing it with Oligarchs, but that's a different thread and different parking lots, and tied to what they now expect for BJs, which your average FG can't offer (since we all know Oligarchs have superior genetic material to offer).
That's perfectly put!! A sad testament to the fact that Russia truly has evolved. Not to pour cold water on the topic of blow jobs, but it really is interesting to watch how a society evolves over time and to track key indicators to get hints into relative prosperity and how this impacts social behavior and perhaps even self esteem in young women. I mean, did they stop giving blow jobs in the restaurant parking lots because they no longer liked giving blow jobs? I doubt it. They stopped giving blow jobs in the parking lot because they felt they no longer NEEDED to. I think this is a key point to keep in mind when trying to understand how the sex scene evolves over time in a particular city or country.
Putologist
08-21-14, 15:03
I don't think we are necessary dependent on economic factors / wars in order to get that special BJ in a parking lot, lift, park or any other location you can think of. If you have the necessary charm and the girl likes you, well then go for it guys, it is still possible. I had a lady some weeks ago who said quite openly "I like it also", she had money, she had Porsche (not unusual for a woman in big Russian cities). So IMO it is a question of fun (for both) too, not only money, but yes money and power are some of the "worlds greatest aphrodisiacs". But it seems that some dinosaurs think the women are still reacting the way they did on the past. They are dynamic, women in change. And again, women are different, you can not generalize it, specially in a multiethnical, multicultural country.
Putologist
08-24-14, 15:29
I saw a strange situation yesterday: A foreign (tourist or business I don't know, just guessing because he spoke English) went to a bar. Two girls approach him or he approached the girls I don't know exactly I was a bit far and busy myself with a lady, but suddenly all of them were in the same table off the bar speaking in English. One woman was taller then him with black hair, the other blond and small, both not really very attractive imo, but maybe he was just looking for fun. After some vodkas and other drinks all 3 seem to have fun, I said to myself, what a lucky bastard. I guess I would have stopped by then and go home at that time since they consumed way too much alk. But again, we are all adults and lord of our behavior.
Two guys came into the pub, joined the table as if would be no big deal for the ladies, the man wondered who what was going on, but the ladies said something and he smiled. After a while they all left the place (after the poor bastard have paid all the bill, of course).
The 2 guys seemed to be normal (not mafiosi looking guys, they were wearing those small wallet with handles. Very typical for Russian men, see the picture bellow, very similar to the picture but a little smaller), I will not judge them or the ladies here, this could happen in any country BTW. But I confess to have a bad feeling about the happy ending of that event. I hope everything went fine for him.
As we saw on the post of Suka, we should never trust a hooker (which is valid for all countries, not only for Russia), to be always polite and respectful to her is ok, but don't put too much believe on their words. I am not saying they were hookers though.
Monger fends off attempted murder / robbery perpetrated by vicious bloodthirsty bandit tramps and their gang of hooligans!
Yes, I'm pleased to report that although I received a hell of a scare, I was fortunately in good enough physical condition to fight back against a face full of pepper spray and a deep laceration inflicted by an undetermined weapon, to lift up and throw two really fucked up podsirushkas by their hair against the wall and out on their asses in the hallway.
If there is one thing that's obvious, its that bandits are not necessarily known for their forethought in planning robberies. If your plan is to blast your victim in the face with a cloud of pepper spray, in the very small area just inside an apartment doorway, where you hang up your coats, you really should keep in mind that half of the cloud of pepper spray will blow right back into your own face...
If you are looking for quality, Moscow is really the place to be, women are very attractive, very open to sex, and very passionate.
There are a lot of options for free sex, but for me it is too much time consuming and you can end up in a delicate situation, so my choice is pay sex.
Out of the 15 different women I did fuck during this stay:
- 2 are real professionals from INTIMCITY.
- 13 are from MAMBA and at least 9 of them have a regular job and / or a husband and do pay sex for extra money.
- 10 were new to me and 5 I knew from a previous trip.
- 12 are attractive (7-8) or very attractive (9) (I like white skin, slim body, with curves).
- All but one make sex like a regular girlfriend and made me forget I was paying for it. 9 are very good lays and are very passionate in having sex and in those 9, 4 are outstanding: very attractive 8 or 9, and very passionate.
- 9 came to my apartment, 4 I went to her apartment sometimes way out in the suburb and one we met in a love hotel near Kitaï-Gorod.
- Only one did prefer to talk to me in English.
Most of the times I did pay 10 kR ($280) for 2 hours, and a few times 5 kR or 7 kR.
I also went to private parties in a sauna, cost 5 kR ($140) for the whole afternoon, that includes food and fucking with 2, 3 or 4 women. You have to wait for a woman to be free and sex is less intimate and shorter, but you also meet real Russian people.
I do speak a little Russian and that helps a lot, but there are so many women on the market that the English speaking ones still make a good offer, probably more expensive.
Getting plenty of good sex in Moscow is very easy, but you have to do your own work, RTFF and spend some time on internet and / or in the right bars and clubs.
Budget is $500 a day, that includes accommodation (renting an apartment), eating and a 2 hours meeting every day.
I am already longing to go back to Moscow.
Putologist
09-02-14, 10:04
I agree regarding that Russian ladies have one of the highest quality. In other countries you have quality but not in that quantity; or quantity but not quality. In Russia, mostly you will have both Qs.
Plus, in my opinion, depending on what one is expecting, he will be better off with hooker. Why? Well it saves a lot of time, money and stress.
If you go stay with a girlfriend, you must spend your quality time (if you don't invest your quality time in her, she will think, she is not your main girlfriend, and that's where the jealousy stress begins, we don't need that stress). And on the long run it is even more expensive than the pro: Remembering that this is a culture of giving small presents and flowers (they will expect this from you, no excuses) and f course paying the bill at the pectopah.
Especially if one is in Russia for a short while (as tourist for example), time is his most precious good. And in order so save it, he got go to a pro or similar. What many guys want from GF: sex (not talking about literature, not talking about business). What most (if not all) guys want from pros: sex.
So IMHO don't see the real advantage in having a relationship. Well except the 1 night relationships.
Besides that you can order a GFE anyway.
If you are looking for quality, Moscow is really the place to be, women are very attractive, very open to sex, and very passionate.
There are a lot of options for free sex, but for me it is too much time consuming and you can end up in a delicate situation, so my choice is pay sex.
Out of the 15 different women I did fuck during this stay:
- 2 are real professionals from INTIMCITY.
- 13 are from MAMBA and at least 9 of them have a regular job and / or a husband and do pay sex for extra money.
- 10 were new to me and 5 I knew from a previous trip.
- 12 are attractive (7-8) or very attractive (9) (I like white skin, slim body, with curves).
- All but one make sex like a regular girlfriend and made me forget I was paying for it. 9 are very good lays and are very passionate in having sex and in those 9, 4 are outstanding: very attractive 8 or 9, and very passionate...
Putologist
09-02-14, 10:17
BTW. There is a free magazine out there called "Flirt". On the middle of it (page 24) there is a map of the Moscow subway stations. For each station they placed one or more girls with their respective phone numbers. See picture bellow.
Does somebody has any experience with the accuracy of this publication? Some ads are fake for sure. The idea is good IMO, would help some guys with orientation and distances.
If you are looking for quality, Moscow is really the place to be, women are very attractive, very open to sex, and very passionate.
There are a lot of options for free sex, but for me it is too much time consuming and you can end up in a delicate situation, so my choice is pay sex.
one we met in a love hotel near Kita-Gorod.
I also went to private parties in a sauna, cost 5 kR ($140) for the whole afternoon, that includes food and fucking with 2, 3 or 4 women. You have to wait for a woman to be free and sex is less intimate and shorter, but you also meet real Russian people.
I am already longing to go back to Moscow.Nice work, Chercheur, and well summarised!
Mind if ask the name of the 'love hotel' near Kitai Gorod?
And how did you manage to crack the sauna sex party scene? :)
Nice work, Chercheur, and well summarised!
Mind if ask the name of the 'love hotel' near Kitai Gorod?
And how did you manage to crack the sauna sex party scene? :)Love hotel: they are all over the city.
http://www.podushkin.ru/
I went to 2 sauna sex parties:
One I got from SEXTALK, I went once. 10 K 4 young attractive girls (2 are on INTIMCITY for 8 K / hour) for about 10 men. I did not manage to well to get the girls, because you have to sort of "grab" them and take them to a private room, and that is not my way of doing it. On top of that, when I was with a girl, she did not want to have very personal intercourse in a public place. It was hard for me as I can speak to a person in Russian but I cannot enter into the discussion with several people speaking Russian. I end up talking to a cutie who was very interested in talking to a foreigner, but she had to leave before I could take her to a room.
The other one from MAMBA. I went several times, 5 K, more personal, held by a woman who looks after everything, girls are not professionals, a few young ones, but most are in their 30/40's, some even more. The mamasan made it easier for me to be in the discussion and the girls are open to personal intercourse, very interesting!
Love hotel: they are all over the city.
http://www.podushkin.ru/
I went to 2 sauna sex parties:
The other one from MAMBA. I went several times, 5 K, more personal, held by a woman who looks after everything, girls are not professionals, a few young ones, but most are in their 30/40's, some even more. The mamasan made it easier for me to be in the discussion and the girls are open to personal intercourse, very interesting!Sounds fascinating, Chercheur.
Thank you for elaborating!
Comvos2002
09-13-14, 09:06
Im going to ask everyone about a situation and I would appreciate feedback from people that have experience here.
I now have what I consider a real girlfriend in Moscow. I call her Ariel as her name is unusual and I dont want anyone connecting this report with her. So much so that I am not really exploring options for new girls and am doing minimal work to maintain old girls. So the last two times I was Moscow (in May and this past weekend) my girlfriend stayed with me in my apartment for the whole trip (8 nights and 2 nights, respectively). On both trips, we invited her friend Ksusha to stay with us for the night on one of the nights and went out to a activity called Клаустрофобия before returning to the apartment. For my taste, except being tally than I like, Ksusha is a knockout. I love her look.Fantastic body and lovely face. For my personal taste, she is a solid 8.
When we were out together, and when we were at the apartment together before sleeping, Ksusha was friendly, a little flirty, and very nice. She smiled a lot and seemed to be enjoying herself. There was alittle sexual talk but it was just talk and there was zero physical contact of sexual or even flirty nature during either evenings (she didnt put her hand on my knee or touch my arm while talking or any of that standard flirty stuff. We sat next to each other a couple of times so there was contact then). So that was our interaction...Ok I understand your position. Their behaviour is highly suspicious but if you do not react soon such occasions will be never presented to you again!
Here is a low risk technique to find out what all this means. When you all 3 are together start talking enthusiastically on how good a 4 hands massage techique it feels I. E. It is like a double pleasure, it feels like all your body is touched, it connects with the spirit etc. Convince them and then start massaging together with one lady the one who is more likely to be jealous I. E. Your girlfriend. Order your gf to lay down, lead the massage, sit opposite from each other. While massaging stimulate you GF, arousal will grow something might happen then, if not ask to be massaged by them two, chances are they will start making out if they are courious, then switch again, you and your gf massaging her now, start kissing with your gf while massaging the other lady. You will find soon what will happen if is ok for your gf going on with that. Initially try to make them kiss each other and observe until they will make the first move to you, needless to say, before prepare a cosy atmosphere, make time management and have massage oil with you! Ah and let us know what happened after!
Cheers
Ok I understand your position. Their behaviour is highly suspicious but if you do not react soon such occasions will be never presented to you again!
Here is a low risk technique to find out what all this means...Thanks for the words Comvos. I'm a little beyond that now but I appreciate the effort.
Question for the more experienced mongers well versed in the macro-economy of the hobby:
Which country and / or city in the world would you say is the best value (quality vs price) for mongering with Slavic girls (Ukrainian, Russian, CIS, etc)?
I'd like to begin planning a vacation and can't make up my mind between Ukraine, Russia, or perhaps other places that might be better than I'm unaware of.
And in which destination would you say the girls are more open minded about uncovered play?
Suka Shalava
12-20-15, 21:41
Question on the macro-economy of the hobby:
Which country / city is the best value (quality vs price) for mongering Slavic girls (Ukrainian, Russian, CIS, etc)?
I like girls more open minded about uncovered play.
The Russian economy is tied to the price of oil. Sanctions, embargoes, wars, and lack of business investment only add to the struggle they are experiencing, that continues to drag opportunities for growth in the wrong direction. This means that our support and generosity are needed more than ever.
The regional capitals, in the heartland of this culture and custom, each have centers that are reachable by buses and trolleys for most of your new acquaintances. Since its feasible for them to come to you, that's where you should be renting a nice flat.
Remember that in general, the typical average monger won't do this. That's exactly why you should. You can be just another sucker and take the well-traveled low-risk path to go with the crowds to chase pros in Moscow, Pitr, or Kiev, or you can blaze your own trail into the unknown where there are less sponsors. Take care of the Motherland, she does not expect this from most of us, so she will be pleasantly surprised. If in return, the Motherland takes care of you, it shouldn't be a surprise.
If you can wait until May / June, for the coats to come off, blouses will reveal jiggling beauty and skirts blow in the breeze.
The Russian economy is tied to the price of oil. Sanctions, embargoes, wars, and lack of business investment only add to the struggle they are experiencing, that continues to drag opportunities for growth in the wrong direction. This means that our support and generosity are needed more than ever.
.Hear, hear. So true. Krasnoyarsk, Tomsk, Tyumen, Ufa. Pick one and enjoy.
The Russian economy is tied to the price of oil. Sanctions, embargoes, wars, and lack of business investment only add to the struggle they are experiencing, that continues to drag opportunities for growth in the wrong direction. This means that our support and generosity are needed more than ever.
The regional capitals, in the heartland of this culture and custom, each have centers that are reachable by buses and trolleys for most of your new acquaintances. Since its feasible for them to come to you, that's where you should be renting a nice flat.
Remember that in general, the typical average monger won't do this. That's exactly why you should. You can be just another sucker and take the well-traveled low-risk path to go with the crowds to chase pros in Moscow, Pitr, or Kiev, or you can blaze your own trail into the unknown where there are less sponsors. Take care of the Motherland, she does not expect this from most of us, so she will be pleasantly surprised. If in return, the Motherland takes care of you, it shouldn't be a surprise.
If you can wait until May / June, for the coats to come off, blouses will reveal jiggling beauty and skirts blow in the breeze.One thought I had about this, is that the quality of your playtime is directly connected to how well you connect with these girls (speak Russian). When I was in StP, as well as I got along with the girls there, ultimately, it was hand-party only. There is not a doubt in my mind that this experience was reserved only for me because I did not speak Russian and I was a transient. It seems that a Russian girl won't feel comfortable enough with you unless she has something upon which she can relate. Regardless of the city, it seems that the working girls are primarily from the far off areas of the country, so in essence it will be more of the same if you go to their hometowns. If only I could speak Russian fluently, the other obstacles may be negotiable. Translators are mostly garbage, you can't rely on them. Moscow was the actually the last time I got past third base. I guess the girls that show up to that city aren't fuckin around. Or rather, they ARE hehe LOL.
SanGaetano
06-09-16, 11:28
Same days ago I had a nice time with a sponsorette. As I gave her the Money she said "put it on my pocket". A person who was about to give me one of my best sex ever including an authentic GFE with long kissing, BBBJ etc. Did not want touch my hand? Hmm, interesting. In other countries you pay the lady and she counts it in the front of you in a second. Well anyway, maybe because this Russian is a beginner or so. I didn't care much, the sex was great.
But when similar behavior happened again with another girl yesterday I became curious, but this was result from dating. When I gave her money for taxi (it was around 2 am, metro closed) she showed her purse. Was it me / my hand, was it the Money, was it she being embarrassed for taking the money? None of the above, the reason is superstition / custom, at least this is the info I got from the web so far (as her English was basically absent I couldn't ask her myself).
CumerBareback
06-10-16, 06:33
It is quite normal if you meet with normal girl who need just a bit support. They do not want to feel like hooker and therefore they prefer you give the money and they don't take it. Only prostitutes take money. Same happened to me after creaming the whole night several times a 18 years young student. I had to put the money in her backpack and the was not asking.
TravelBoy27
06-10-16, 13:48
Same days ago I had a nice time with a sponsorette. As I gave her the Money she said "put it on my pocket". A person who was about to give me one of my best sex ever including an authentic GFE with long kissing, BBBJ etc. Did not want touch my hand? Hmm, interesting. In other countries you pay the lady and she counts it in the front of you in a second. Well anyway, maybe because this Russian is a beginner or so. I didn't care much, the sex was great.
But when similar behavior happened again with another girl yesterday I became curious, but this was result from dating. When I gave her money for taxi (it was around 2 am, metro closed) she showed her purse. Was it me / my hand, was it the Money, was it she being embarrassed for taking the money? None of the above, the reason is superstition / custom, at least this is the info I got from the web so far (as her English was basically absent I couldn't ask her myself).Where did you find the girl (sponserette)?
SanGaetano
06-10-16, 15:24
It is quite normal if you meet with normal girl who need just a bit support. They do not want to feel like hooker and therefore they prefer you give the money and they don't take it. Only prostitutes take money. Same happened to me after creaming the whole night several times a 18 years young student. I had to put the money in her backpack and the was not asking.That's true Cumer. No woman wants to be seem as hooker, even if she is a hooker: If one tells a WG that she is one, it can be interpreted as insult by her.
On the other hand (talking abut hands), there is still a bit of superstition around. Here is the article I found on the net: http://rbth.com/articles/2010/09/07/twelve_russian_superstitions04931.html.
It says "It is believed that the money can transmit energy from its owner, including negative energy. ".
I didn't have much problem giving the cash direct into the hands of the female cashiers in "magazin" or "produkti" thou, maybe they got used to foreigners.
CumerBareback
06-10-16, 16:22
Absolutely. And since they are just normal girls, it may also happen that they will meet you again for free. That was the case with me and the following two nights I had great sex for free.
SanGaetano
08-15-16, 09:51
The Venturers.
Is a woman or girl who comes from other Oblasts in Russia, some even from other continents in Russia (Asia) to cities like Moscow or St. Peterburg to try their luck. Some of them comes, sees and wins (for example those who married an oligarch). Other come and see, does not win but stay anyway, working as Bugalter or something similar that a female Moscovites don't want to do. If you are a provider type or sugar daddy, you have good chances with those.
The Semi returnees.
Is a woman who lives in the West (Usually North America or Europe) and / or is married in the West but comes regularly to visit her parents and / or friends in Russia. For ex. I dated a woman who lives in France with her French husband, but comes to Moscow sometimes to visit her relatives and. Well spice up her sexual life. I was impressed with her sexual talent. I asked why she cheated on her hubby, she said, well, "he also cheats on me".
The Final returnees.
Is a woman who lived in the West (Usually North America or Europe) and / or was married in the West but decided to come back to Russia. For ex. I dated some of this kind and I can say one thing: They are quite simple to deal with and pretty much open minded regarding ONS. In my experience, they are the easiest of these 3 categories.
There are many other kinds of women, maybe someone knows other interesting types.
SanGaetano
09-29-16, 10:14
"Russian women are not different than other women in the world".
I listen this phrase a lot from Russian girls, but in reality they is different, as different as Asian women from African women or Canadian women from Latinas etc.
Regarding to sex, I discovered huge differences. There are some techniques that most Russian women love more than other women. It took me long time but I discovered it. But even among Russian women there are. Of course. The exceptions. I will continue to use this technique in order to find a real benchmark, until now it is working.
Philosophus
12-13-18, 20:39
What sets Russian women apart? Difficult to generalize. Russia certainly has many poor girls, who know they are Pretty and who know they can capitalize on this. Russia has many women who believe, that without contacts to the powerful, they cannot Advance their cause. Feminism is not strong in the Western sense. There are many strong women, but they equate the roles of men and women less than some in the West do. Also strong women use their femininity, their Looks, their Charms and their sex Appeal to get what they want, probably more so than in the West. Nevertheless, women despise prostitutes, even if they slept around in younger years, probably for fear of their Partner falling prey to one. Discretion in such as matters is paramount. The disruptiveness of sexual Relations in the work context is well known. The Worlds of private Play and work are largely separated. Mixing them is a no no. Girls with many contacts to Sponsors are usually somewhat lonely and enjoy few social Relations. Relations over Long distances, like to mothers in the far angles of Russia, are maintained of Course. I had over the many years a Variety of sweet contacts to colleagues, but would never have been so foolish as to burden my work Environment with sexual side Shows. Once a really sweet slender and tiny, curly Long haired 21 year old Intern who was assigned to me was awfully Aware I thought her attractive. Oh well, no male beknownst to her on this planet thought otherwise. And, full disclosure, she also was smart and efficient in her Project. Whatever, on her last day we worked late to finish and I proposed to have a coffee in the City on the way out. She smiled and knowingly said "better not". I told her something shy and stupid like I l had liked the tacit sensual aspect of having worked with her and said farewell. Probably made no sense in Russian, whatever I said. She replied that she would take a bath in the river the next morning, and whether I would like to join. (She had talked about regular swimming in the morning before, I knew it to be no game of hers). I replied sure. She proposed 7 o Clock in the morning at a beach on the other side of the river. I agreed and thought to myself, discretion is the better part of Valor. In the morning, we met, no soul around. She looked simply awesome in her bikini, really a 5 foot 2 princess with a great face and shapely breasts. Her tummy was stunning. She dashed towards the water and we took a swim. At a distance from the beach she took her bikini off and proposed I take my swimming trunks off too. I did and of course it felt and looked great (she looked great! We swam for a while, dressed in the water and got out. I thanked her for the teasing experience and that was that. She said she wanted to give me a nice memory. Hmm. It worked. Years later I was able to recommend her, but I did so on the merits of her work. Nevertheless, she knew how to keep me grateful without crossing the border irreversibly. Anyway, this was her move, would not call it particularly Russian. Will not report her to the MeToo Website.
What sets Russian women apart? Difficult to generalize. Russia certainly has many poor girls, who know they are Pretty and who know they can capitalize on this. Russia has many women who believe, that without contacts to the powerful, they cannot Advance their cause. Feminism is not strong in the Western sense. There are many strong women, but they equate the roles of men and women less than some in the West do. Also strong women use their femininity, their Looks, their Charms and their sex Appeal to get what they want, probably more so than in the West. Nevertheless, women despise prostitutes, even if they slept around in younger years, probably for fear of their Partner falling prey to one. Discretion in such as matters is paramount. The disruptiveness of sexual Relations in the work context is well known. The Worlds of private Play and work are largely separated. Mixing them is a no no. Girls with many contacts to Sponsors are usually somewhat lonely and enjoy few social Relations. Relations over Long distances, like to mothers in the far angles of Russia, are maintained of Course. I had over the many years a Variety of sweet contacts to colleagues, but would never have been so foolish as to burden my work Environment with sexual side Shows. Great story Philosophus. I think you did a nice job of capturing the condition of the Russian woman. In particular to the way in which they use their femininity to help achieve their goals both at work and at home and how it contrasts from their Western counterparts. Sex with more senior colleagues and bosses is not uncommon in Russia and women seem to take it all in stride knowing that it will often open doors for them that might not otherwise be so. And sometimes, as it is in the West, it means that they are NOT branded with the stereotype of "office tramp" but as a women who will do what needs to be done in order to achieve a goal. Incidentally, this is the same stuff (in my opinion) that these so called "spies" are made of which you see pop up in the news and on TV shows (The Americans) now and then. OK, maybe they don't commit murder for their country, but fucking your boss in order to gain preference over male colleagues is not unheard of in Russia. I once over heard an office conversation between two women (who thought I was just a dumb foreigner that did not understand what they were saying) where they were praising the actions of a female co-worker who did the aforementioned. The phased that made me laugh was " After all, she's just having sex with him; it's not like she's bearing his children!
And that's all I am going to say about that!
Naked Gunz
01-15-19, 13:17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QslnGieHc_c
OK, so you guys that marry Russian women, look at this and be aware that they are coming away with this BS in their head! She's learned to not give a shit about her weight, not keep her man happy with good food, he will be slapped by society into loyalty, and that he can fucking take care of himself-no doubt while she's out spending your money. Fair Warning!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QslnGieHc_c
OK, so you guys that marry Russian women, look at this and be aware that they are coming away with this BS in their head! She's learned to not give a shit about her weight, not keep her man happy with good food, he will be slapped by society into loyalty, and that he can fucking take care of himself-no doubt while she's out spending your money. Fair Warning!Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Good post! You, sir have performed a valuable public service.
Member #4615
02-02-19, 10:55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QslnGieHc_c
OK, so you guys that marry Russian women, look at this and be aware that they are coming away with this BS in their head! She's learned to not give a shit about her weight, not keep her man happy with good food, he will be slapped by society into loyalty, and that he can fucking take care of himself-no doubt while she's out spending your money. Fair Warning!Good one. The title says it all "Benefits. " sadly that's what a lot of them look for when getting a husband.
But let's be fair, some well intention women can also be found in Russia. Or at least I have been told so.
Russian women have a bad rep for doing a runner when they reach western countries so embassies are hard on them to give out visas unless they have a good job to return too. Many guys got married and then couldn't get them over to their country unless their credentials were top notch. Such a violin player or a piano player.
Good one. The title says it all "Benefits. " sadly that's what a lot of them look for when getting a husband.
But let's be fair, some well intention women can also be found in Russia. Or at least I have been told so.Based on my own experience with relationships and women, I'd say that you don't really know if you are compatible with somebody or not, until you live with that person for about a year or so.
So, if you are marrying someone without having lived with that person for a substantial period of time, then you are jumping into the unknown and hoping for the best. Sometimes it works out well, and sometimes it doesn't.
People usually break up because of some conflict or disagreement. So, if you want to reduce your risk of such a break up, then you need to observe and find out how the two of you handle your disagreements, even minor ones. Do you resolve your disagreements quickly and easily for mutual satisfaction? Or does one of you win and the other loses all the time? Or do you just leave your disagreements festering for a long time without any resolution?
I'd say that only your ability to resolve your disagreements quickly and easily for mutual satisfaction bodes well for your future relationship. The other two usually lead to a break up eventually.
So, how you resolve your disagreements is definitely something to look for. And if you haven't yet had disagreements, and you don't know how you usually resolve your disagreements, then you don't really know what you are getting into, when you marry such a person. This is like jumping into the dark and hoping for the best.
But the problem with my advice is that you don't usually have an opportunity to live with someone and find out how you resolve your disagreements. So, it's common for people to take a risk, jump into the dark so to say, and hope for the best. But when you do this, then you need to be realistic and not be surprised, when your relationship fails. You need to be prepared for a failure of your relationship, when you take such a big risk.
And of course marrying someone from another country and culture is even more risky than marrying someone from a country and culture you know. Because in such a situation even common sense can be misleading. What's common sense in her country and culture might not be common sense in yours. So, you can have conflicts and misunderstandings about things that you don't even normally think about. And this is something you won't necessarily experience, until you live with that person for a while.
Since no more wall, Russian women turned to really love money, many wait their man to give them money and buy them jewels, fashion. For my tastes, they are the prettiest and one of the more elegant, but not anymore the prettiest when getting older. Better to speak Russian with Russian girls. Going to Russia without speaking Russian may be a bit complicated to meet women. Maybe easier to find a nice, really honest one in far deep poor Siberia or Oural or Kamchatka.
Since no more wall, Russian women turned to really love money, many wait their man to give them money and buy them jewels, fashion. For my tastes, they are the prettiest and one of the more elegant, but not anymore the prettiest when getting older. Better to speak Russian with Russian girls. Going to Russia without speaking Russian may be a bit complicated to meet women. Maybe easier to find a nice, really honest one in far deep poor Siberia or Oural or Kamchatka.I'd say it's not the removal of the wall that changed people's behavior. It's increased economic insecurity.
When people have trouble paying their bills, and they aren't sure if they'll be able to pay their bills in the future, then of course they will care about money. Because this is worry about survival and being able to fulfill your basic needs. Which is perfectly reasonable for people who are economically insecure. Money is just a means for getting what you need and want.
Women know that they lose their attractiveness, when they get old. So, it makes sense for them to accumulate some money, while they are able to do so. Or else they might end up in a bad situation, when they get old. And of course, women also worry about money because they often have children or can potentially have a child, whom they need to support. And women don't always have a man to help them out with that. There is some insecurity in this too.
So, it doesn't make sense to blame women for wanting money, as long as their demand is reasonable and they are willing to do something in return for it. There can be some unfairness in this. But this unfairness comes from the government, rather than from women. It's governments who make all kinds of rules and laws for regulating relationships between men and women. Politicians are seldom nice people. They are good at quarreling and blaming each other to make the other look bad and themselves look good. So, it's no surprise that the rules and the laws they make aren't always fair and nice.
Arbitrary and unfair rules and laws is what you really need to worry about, when you marry someone. This is what makes men feel insecure about marriage and long-term commitment.
When people are insecure, and they don't fully trust each other for good reasons, then they avoid making any big and long-term commitments. Because the bigger and the longer your commitment, the greater is your risk of things turning out bad for you. It makes more sense to have short-term relationships, without any permanent commitment, to reduce your risk. Because if your short-term relationship doesn't work out, and you lose something, then your loss is limited and it doesn't totally ruin your life. And of course, in this situation it also makes sense for people to avoid having children. Because having a child is a long-term responsibility and a big commitment. Which doesn't make sense to do, when you feel insecure and unsure about your future. This is true for both men and women.
Men and women still need and want each other for companionship, sex, pleasure, and economic support. And they both can still get some of that by having short-term relationships with each other. This is making the best of a bad situation. And of course, not everybody is in a good position to find a long-term partner, even in an ideal society. You might be sick, shy, unattractive, relatively poor, or old. And in this situation it makes no sense for a woman to have a committed, long-term relationship with you. But some women are still willing to take a good drilling even in such a situation. Because they are doing it as a favor for the guy in exchange for compensation. Which is essentially work, or sex-work in this case.
There is always a need for short-term relationships, even in an ideal society. But when society is screwed up and people feel unsure and insecure about their present and their future, then having short-term relationships might be what makes the most sense for most people.
So, instead of thinking about marriage and looking for someone, you might be better off looking for a lady, who is a short-term baddie with cocky guys like you.
In Russian language there is a word 'Poklonnik'. It literally translates into English as 'worshipper'. But its actual meaning is that of a guy worshipping the ass of a hot lass.
Poklonnik is a guy who falls for some hot woman and lusts after her with a lot of deference and respect. And he isn't the only one lusting after her pussy and bum. Such a lady usually has many guy liking her and doing favors for her.
Some Russian guys use this word 'Poklonnik' to describe their relationship with a hot sex-worker lady, who does it for money with them. They refer to themselves as this lady's Poklonniks. I've seen the word 'Poklonnik' being used this way in some Russian sex-forums.
There is no equivalent word for this in the English language. Because people in the West usually see sex-work as a kind of commercial transaction. In the West, guys might even feel superior to the sex-worker lady and look down on her. Which is the opposite of being the lady's Poklonnik, where you get down on your knees and worship the ass of your hot lass, like she is doing a favor for you by spreading her cheeks for you.
Perhaps there is a somewhat similar idea in Western culture. It's that of a porn fan. A hot porn-star is a like a sex-goddess for many fans lusting after her. And many fans do admire and desire such ladies. But of course, porn-fans only watch the hot lady's debauch. They don't do any personal favors for the lady. She doesn't meet them and doesn't even know them. So, it's all very impersonal and not quite the same as being a Russian Poklonnik of some hot lady you like.
And for some reason, people in the West don't usually transfer this idea of being the hot lady's fan to sex-worker ladies who actually meet guys and have sex with them. Most people see some fundamental difference between porn-stars and sex-worker ladies who do it for money with guys. It's like porn-stars doing it for money are like sex-goddesses. But similar women doing it for money with ordinary guys are like lowly, fallen women, who perhaps need to be pitied, rather than respected and worshipped.
Perhaps being the lady's Poklonnik isn't the only way Russian men relate to sex-worker ladies. But this is more of a thing in Russia, than in the west. And it's not just guys who see themselves this way. The hot ladies also play their part in response. They see themselves as Beauty Queens who descend from their thrones to play around with cocky bones. Her subjects have a need, and she does the deed. But she is the one superior to them, doing her royal favors for them. And the guys agree with that, even while they pound her sexy butt.
I'd say it's not the removal of the wall that changed people's behavior. It's increased economic insecurity.
When people have trouble paying their bills, and they aren't sure if they'll be able to pay their bills in the future, then of course they will care about money. Because this is worry about survival and being able to fulfill your basic needs. Which is perfectly reasonable for people who are economically insecure. Money is just a means for getting what you need and want.
Women know that they lose their attractiveness, when they get old. So, it makes sense for them to accumulate some money, while they are able to do so. Or else they might end up in a bad situation, when they get old. And of course, women also worry about money because they often have children or can potentially have a child, whom they need to support. And women don't always have a man to help them out with that. There is some insecurity in this too.
So, it doesn't make sense to blame women for wanting money, as long as their demand is reasonable and they are willing to do something in return for it. There can be some unfairness in this. But this unfairness comes from the government, rather than from women. It's governments who make all kinds of rules and laws for regulating relationships between men and women. Politicians are seldom nice people. They are good at quarreling and blaming each other to make the other look bad and themselves look good. So, it's no surprise that the rules and the laws they make aren't always fair and nice.
Arbitrary and unfair rules and laws is what you really need to worry about, when you marry someone. This is what makes men feel insecure about marriage and long-term commitment..My meaning was a man who is not able to bring money to his woman, is not a real man for many Russian women. In France, many women are proud to be independent, making their own money.
HarvestBoi
12-24-20, 02:59
I believe what you are describing is termed a lapdog in English. It doesn't have a very good connotation. It may be different in Russia.
In Russian language there is a word 'Poklonnik'. It literally translates into English as 'worshipper'. But its actual meaning is that of a guy worshipping the ass of a hot lass...
There is no equivalent word for this in the English language. .
In Russian language there is a word 'Poklonnik'. It literally translates into English as 'worshipper'. But its actual meaning is that of a guy worshipping the ass of a hot lass.
Poklonnik is a guy who falls for some hot woman and lusts after her with a lot of deference and respect. And he isn't the only one lusting after her pussy and bum. Such a lady usually has many guy liking her and doing favors for her.
Some Russian guys use this word 'Poklonnik' to describe their relationship with a hot sex-worker lady, who does it for money with them. They refer to themselves as this lady's Poklonniks. I've seen the word 'Poklonnik' being used this way in some Russian sex-forums.
There is no equivalent word for this in the English language. Because people in the West usually see sex-work as a kind of commercial transaction. In the West, guys might even feel superior to the sex-worker lady and look down on her. Which is the opposite of being the lady's Poklonnik, where you get down on your knees and worship the ass of your hot lass, like she is doing a favor for you by spreading her cheeks for you.
Perhaps there is a somewhat similar idea in Western culture. It's that of a porn fan. A hot porn-star is a like a sex-goddess for many fans lusting after her. And many fans do admire and desire such ladies. But of course, porn-fans only watch the hot lady's debauch. They don't do any personal favors for the lady. She doesn't meet them and doesn't even know them. So, it's all very impersonal and not quite the same as being a Russian Poklonnik of some hot lady you like.
And for some reason, people in the West don't usually transfer this idea of being the hot lady's fan to sex-worker ladies who actually meet guys and have sex with them. Most people see some fundamental difference between porn-stars and sex-worker ladies who do it for money with guys. It's like porn-stars doing it for money are like sex-goddesses. But similar women doing it for money with ordinary guys are like lowly, fallen women, who perhaps need to be pitied, rather than respected and worshipped.
Perhaps being the lady's Poklonnik isn't the only way Russian men relate to sex-worker ladies. But this is more of a thing in Russia, than in the west. And it's not just guys who see themselves this way. The hot ladies also play their part in response. They see themselves as Beauty Queens who descend from their thrones to play around with cocky bones. Her subjects have a need, and she does the deed. But she is the one superior to them, doing her royal favors for them. And the guys agree with that, even while they pound her sexy butt.Poklonnik means "fan. " Just like that. "Ya vash poklonnik" means I'm your fan. This word is usually used when meeting a celebrity (a porn star will qualify, though). It's a bit old-fashioned, and it's not normally used in sexual context, although nothing is impossible.
Poklonnik means "fan. " Just like that. "Ya vash poklonnik" means I'm your fan. This word is usually used when meeting a celebrity (a porn star will qualify, though). It's a bit old-fashioned, and it's not normally used in sexual context, although nothing is impossible.In English, the word 'fan' comes from the word 'fanatic'. It originated in USA in 1880's, when sports became popular, and many people became sports fanatics, which was shorted to the word 'fans'.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fan
But the Russian word 'poklonnik' has much older origins. It originally had religious meaning. It meant worshipper, and it still has this meaning. This word has also acquired sexual meaning. It means that someone is in love with a woman, whom he wants but doesn't have a permanent relationship with. And a common use of this word is where a beautiful woman is surrounded by poklonniks. Which certainly applies to hot women, who do it for money with guys.
https://slovarozhegova.ru/word.php?wordid=22170
So, the origin and the connotation of the Russian word 'poklonnik' is totally different from that of the English word 'fan'. Being a fanatic is totally different from being a worshipper. Fanatic doesn't imply any deference or respect. But the Russian word 'poklonnik' does imply that.
This difference in meaning is lost, when you translate from one language to another. Because if you use Google Translate, then poklonnik does indeed translate into the word 'fan'. But this isn't an accurate translation. Because it changes the meaning and gives it a different connotation.
There is no equivalent word in English, and that's why you get this bad translation. It's the best translation that can be done. But for a Russian guy describing himself as the lady's poklonnik, it clearly means respect and admiration almost bordering on religious worshipping. And this is something English speakers don't get, when they translate the word 'poklonnik' into the word 'fan'.
I believe what you are describing is termed a lapdog in English. It doesn't have a very good connotation. It may be different in Russia.
Yes, I agree. The English word 'lapdog' captures more meaning of the word 'poklonnik', than the word 'fan'.
But lapdog isn't an accurate translation either. Because this word implies disrespect for the guy worshipping the lady. It's like his behavior is inappropriate, and he shouldn't be doing that.
'Lapdog' is something other people say about a guy. It's not a word that a guy would use to describe himself. And a hot lady wouldn't normally say that she surrounded by lapdogs as a way of liking and accepting this situation.
But the Russian word 'poklonnik' doesn't have any such bad meaning either for the guy or for the lady. So, guys readily describe themselves as the hot lady's poklonniks. And when someone tells the hot woman that she surrounded by poklonniks, then this is a complement for her, rather than some kind of a joke to laugh at. Both the guys and the lady accept their roles in this kind of a relationship. And that's what makes the word 'poklonnik' different from the word 'lapdog'.
I think the reason why Russians have the word 'poklonnik' but the English don't have an equivalent word is because such relationships exist in Russian society between hot women and guys, but in the English world such relationships don't exist. So, this is really a difference in culture and relationships, rather than just a difference in language.
My meaning was a man who is not able to bring money to his woman, is not a real man for many Russian women. In France, many women are proud to be independent, making their own money.When a woman is independent and is making her own money, then guys often feel uncomfortable with that. Because they have nothing to offer to the lady in a way of trade and exchange. It's like why would she choose you and not someone else? And why would she want to stay with you, if you have any kind of serious disagreement?
I haven't been in France, but I've seen proud and independent women marrying guys in another place. They were older white women marrying much younger, good-looking, big and tall black guys, who came to their country as temporary agricultural workers. These were the kind of guys that an older, not so-good-looking woman might want but never get under any other circumstances.
A guy who can't be the breadwinner for the family isn't a 'real man' in most places. This isn't just a Russian thing. It's like this almost everywhere. That's why economic insecurity, where women normally work and earn their own money, usually leads to decreased marriage rates and decreased birth rates. And of course, it's all relative. Because it's not whether the guy is earning any money or not. It's whether he is earning more money than the woman or not. If the woman earns more money than a lot of guys, then a lot of guys aren't real men for her, and she has trouble finding someone.
But even economically insecure guys often have some disposable income that they can spend at one time or another. And when there are economically insecure women who also need the money, then these ladies and guys are a good match for each other for short-term relationships. That's how sex-work arises and thrives.
The point is that the word 'poklonnik' in today's Russian is mostly used as in "I'm your fan," when you're being introduced to a celebrity of any kind. It's the most precise CURRENT interpretation despite not being a literal translation. Otherwise, 'poklonnik' is an old-fashioned word rarely used in real-life conversations.
I probably should've mentioned that Russian is my native language, but I didn't expect such an elaborate argument, LOL.
I'm not going to argue about the old-book usage of this word (although even then it wasn't used sexually, but in romantic context).
Lapdog? That would be 'ruchnaya sobachka', and it has a very negative, disdainful meaning.
'Poklonnik' has never meant 'god worshipper'. But in this case, I, at least, know where you're coming from. People who worshipped deities in pre-Christian Rus, are called 'idolopoklonnik. ' So there is that.
Back to the Present. Saying to a Russian sex worker "I'm your poklonnik" would sound weird. Russian men would never do that (maybe jokingly). I mean she might give you an "A" for the effort, but there are better ways to compliment a Russian woman.
If you insist, here is how I can imagine using this word in real life.
If you keep coming to a brothel picking the same regular every time, you might say eventually: "Here I am -- your loyal poklonnik. ".
And BTW, 'poklonnik' easily and literally translates to English. It's 'admirer'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talents_and_Admirers
In English, the word 'fan' comes from the word 'fanatic'. It originated in USA in 1880's, when sports became popular, and many people became sports fanatics, which was shorted to the word 'fans'.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fan
But the Russian word 'poklonnik' has much older origins. It originally had religious meaning. It meant worshipper, and it still has this meaning. This word has also acquired sexual meaning. It means that someone is in love with a woman, whom he wants but doesn't have a permanent relationship with. And a common use of this word is where a beautiful woman is surrounded by poklonniks. Which certainly applies to hot women, who do it for money with guys.
https://slovarozhegova.ru/word.php?wordid=22170
So, the origin and the connotation of the Russian word 'poklonnik' is totally different from that of the English word 'fan'. Being a fanatic is totally different from being a worshipper. Fanatic doesn't imply any deference or respect. But the Russian word 'poklonnik' does imply that.
This difference in meaning is lost, when you translate from one language to another. Because if you use Google Translate, then poklonnik does indeed translate into the word 'fan'. But this isn't an accurate translation. Because it changes the meaning and gives it a different connotation.
There is no equivalent word in English, and that's why you get this bad translation. It's the best translation that can be done. But for a Russian guy describing himself as the lady's poklonnik, it clearly means respect and admiration almost bordering on religious worshipping. And this is something English speakers don't get, when they translate the word 'poklonnik' into the word 'fan'.
When a woman is independent and is making her own money, then guys often feel uncomfortable with that. Because they have nothing to offer to the lady in a way of trade and exchange. It's like why would she choose you and not someone else? And why would she want to stay with you, if you have any kind of serious disagreement?
I haven't been in France, but I've seen proud and independent women marrying guys in another place. They were older white women marrying much younger, good-looking, big and tall black guys, who came to their country as temporary agricultural workers. These were the kind of guys that an older, not so-good-looking woman might want but never get under any other circumstances.
A guy who can't be the breadwinner for the family isn't a 'real man' in most places. This isn't just a Russian thing. It's like this almost everywhere. That's why economic insecurity, where women normally work and earn their own money, usually leads to decreased marriage rates and decreased birth rates. And of course, it's all relative. Because it's not whether the guy is earning any money or not. It's whether he is earning more money than the woman or not. If the woman earns more money than a lot of guys, then a lot of guys aren't real men for her, and she has trouble finding someone.
But even economically insecure guys often have some disposable income that they can spend at one time or another. And when there are economically insecure women who also need the money, then these ladies and guys are a good match for each other for short-term relationships. That's how sex-work arises and thrives.But when many Russian women love money more than everything else, so, even Russian women are among the prettiest with highest care for themselves and most elegant with really attractive Slavian charm, some being fire in bed, but not so interesting than many independent women making their own money, but looking for love, pleasure to feel woman, and choose you and ask you for this, and if you are able to take care of her to make her feel woman, then you are her one, not your money. Russian women look for money because they know they are woman, independent women look for feeling woman, more interesting playfield to make them feel, than just paying for a woman.
Russian women are among the prettiest with highest care for themselves and most elegant with really attractive Slavian charm they look for money because they know they are woman, independent women look for feeling woman, more interesting playfield to make them feel, than just paying for a womanThis was simple yet very deep. An eye-opener for me to be honest.
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