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Thank you Jackson!!!
Solntsa Yada
09-17-08, 14:30
Russian Women; my personal study, my thesis subject, my objective of existance (ATM)
I've been studying the minds of these beautiful and yet perplexing creatures, why them? Because quite honestly they seem to have their 'sh*t' together.
In comparison to all other races I've encountered, I understand the Russian girl more.
It comes down to a simple question you can ask the average girl from the average culture, Whats the top 5 goals of their current life? Honestly I think you'll get vague, uncountable, immesuarble ideas. Things like, fun, fast cars and cute boys. Get them to get closer to define it, and they (for the most part) cannot.
Ask the same question to a Russian girl and they seem to have a far more clear cut understanding.
Marriage temp req, permanent preferred.
Children, One. Usually, because they honestly cannot fathom a second.
House, Comfortable, but add a dasha in there.
Car, Also comfortable, but actually they would just prefer a driver.
Good Job, This is. Vague, a rich husband does not actually take this out of the equation for many.
This said, Because they are so straight forward, so obvious in their attentions, they concentrate on these things with EVERY man they size up. Sure, having fun is not off the books, and quite honestly the concept of a ****, does not really exist here, a girl who has many many boyfriends is maybe frowned upon, but having less than a handful by 20 is far far worse.
More than once, a girl I've encountered, who had little to no experience is quite offended that I might even consider her a virgin. Yet in western society, it seems less prevalent, yet more desired?
Also, the Deep Mysterious Russian Soul, The girls are just gluttons for punishment. Life has been so friggin hard, so f'd up, price crashes, unable to eat, plan ahead, so anything, that they honestly just live for today, sure this is slowly changing with Putin/Medvedev and the stability fund, but many girls are still throwing caution to the wind, going out and having as much fun, as the boys will buy them.
And this ties in with their natures. Men, Must pay. Be you a friend, a lover, a husband or just the only man at the table. Men, Pay. Thats their goal, their nature, their explanation for existance. And what should the girl do for this? Sex? NO. Love? NO. Looking good. Thats all.
Alot of modern moscow seems to be all about looking good, showing off, being the best shiny star in the cafe, the envy of everyone around. Having an Entourage of girls around you is status. Gay guys even surround themselves with hot women, as status.
Ae the girls required to do anything else? Nope. Just BE PRETTY.
For some of us, this is such an archaic premise, outdated by a few hundred years maybe. But, as a result, predictable.
For me, this means I feel like I'm a man from the future, armed with the knowledge of where the movement of females will go next, like knowing the stock market weeks before hand I can plan and take advantage of new movements in the flow of female logic. But this is slow stuff, and I'm decades ahead.
My best experiences, when I just treate them like cattle. My worst? When I treat them like human beings.
Respect a girl, treate her with kindness, with compassion, with clarity, and you get your ass handed to you on a plate, and your engagement ring thrown back in your face in McDonalds.
Treat her like your personal slave, and she'll love you forever.
Theres a saying in russia:
?.? : If he hits you, He loves you.
While the saying is outdated, the feeling remains in their collective souls.
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What this means to this forum?
Pat and Squeeze an Ass, if she looks around, she's merely checking if she wants to sleep with you.
Tell her what your going to do, so she has time to object, but don't ask, its too wussy.
Lead her from A to B to C, she'll follow. Cafe, to Bedroom, to BBBJ.
Take no shit, weak boys take shit, Strong men set the standards.
Freebees are easy with these girls, if you say so.
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Roger Mellie
09-19-08, 13:46
Pat and Squeeze an Ass, if she looks around, she's merely checking if she wants to sleep with you.
Tell her what your going to do, so she has time to object, but don't ask, its too wussy.
Lead her from A to B to C, she'll follow. Cafe, to Bedroom, to BBBJ.
Take no shit, weak boys take shit, Strong men set the standards.
pretty much sums it up in 4 lines
Doctor_Skank
09-19-08, 14:35
My best experiences, when I just treate them like cattle. My worst? When I treat them like human beings.
Respect a girl, treate her with kindness, with compassion, with clarity, and you get your ass handed to you on a plate, and your engagement ring thrown back in your face in McDonalds.
Treat her like your personal slave, and she'll love you forever.
Theres a saying in russia:
?.? : If he hits you, He loves you.
While the saying is outdated, the feeling remains in their collective souls.
There is a lot of wisdom in this and especially important if you are managing several girlfriends or girl contacts you hope to fuck at one time.
One mindset that works for me is if you look at women like animals (your cattle metaphor is essentially the same) and stimulate very basic things in their psyche. It works more often than one would think.
I disagree however that you can't approach women on a kindness/emotional level though. I get LOTS of pussy that way, but it has to be under special circumstances and the target audience is a different (and generally older, 25+) one. You have to open that can of worms at the right time, otherwise it will just get you a confused look. Teens and early Twens are usually not tuned into the emotional aspect and are more superficial.
Nonetheless, effectively employed the emotional factor can be a gold-mine... or a double-edged sword. Once they become smitten with your emotional side, they'll never let go. I get lots of calls and sms's from ex-gfs in relationships with other guys longing for the passion, 'craziness' and emotion of their time with me, and I don't think I am exceptionally emotional even. Important thing is to combine this "emotion" with lots of sex. We can do that, right? If you get them hooked on passion, emotion and SEX they won't leave you alone. They are like vampires. I even joke with them and call them that and they almost always laugh... I think they feel complimented.
Coldness shouldn't be mistaken for strength. Coldness and pseudo tough-guy-ness* will not get you very far IMO. Strength is expressed in other ways, most of them thankfully simple.
* not a real word, sorry
What this means to this forum?
Pat and Squeeze an Ass, if she looks around, she's merely checking if she wants to sleep with you.
Tell her what your going to do, so she has time to object, but don't ask, its too wussy.
Lead her from A to B to C, she'll follow. Cafe, to Bedroom, to BBBJ.
Take no shit, weak boys take shit, Strong men set the standards.
Freebees are easy with these girls, if you say so.
That's great in theory and in principal correct. Strong and direct are really the only effective forms of mating in Russia, at least for those looking for multiple partners and scoring as quickly as possible.
But just how effective is ass-grabbing for you actually? Do you grab asses in the line at McDonalds too? :)
Just curious.
I'm not an ass-grabber myself, prefering other methods of getting my point across. Can't complain about the results either, even though opening night/first night scores directly from the club to the crib are rarer than they used to be. I find daytime or especially early evening dating (whether first or second date is statistically irrelevant in my opinion) to be much more effective in terms of actually getting your dick wet.
I have limited experience with Russian women but in my opinion they act robotic. So you don't need any game at all.
For example I was once in a train station in Germany, I talked to a blonde, tall girl, she was from Moscow. In 10 minutes we were holding hands although she waited for her parents.
Another time I noticed a drunk girl talking to another girl sitting next to her while I was travelling in train. When the train stopped and the girl went out, I sat next to the drunk girl. I had only 5 minutes available because I should get down to the next train station. She told me she is from Russia and then I tongued her down for five minutes.
Other times I picked up Russian girls in vaccations who talked to me very openly but were not willing to progress. The Russian girls I dated brought me to their room on the first date. So I came to the conclusion (not sure 100%) that with Russian girls no game is needed and your fate has been decided from the first second you appear. They are not like Polish or Czech or belarus girls. They do not respond to what you say but they run their own game like the ukrainian girls. (who are different in many aspects but this is another story).
Other times I picked up Russian girls in vaccations who talked to me very openly but were not willing to progress. The Russian girls I dated brought me to their room on the first date. So I came to the conclusion (not sure 100%) that with Russian girls no game is needed and your fate has been decided from the first second you appear.
Huh?
I will agree that first impression is big with Russian girls - but then again - it's important with girls all over the world. It's not difficult to be DFKing any (esp drunk) girl from any country within a few minutes of meeting her, as long as she likes the way you look/act. But closing the deal (ie your dick inside one of her orifices - preferably all) with a low-mileage freebie is a totally different matter. That does take some game, as the horny little bitches normally *do* want to fuck you, but on the other hand, they want to maintain some of their dignity at the same time.
So I came to the conclusion (not sure 100%) that with Russian girls no game is needed and your fate has been decided from the first second you appear. They are not like Polish or Czech or belarus girls. They do not respond to what you say but they run their own game like the ukrainian girls. (who are different in many aspects but this is another story).
In my limited experience with Russian and Ukranian women, I must say that I agree with Hecker. I've met a couple of Russian girls who since the first date told me "they wanted me for something more than friends" and they proceeded to show me what they meant. While with others ladies was near impossible to score even though they were open to some sort of friendship.
In my first steps with Russian ladies I remember some who initated contact with me, a little time passed and they gave me their phone numbers and later (in a next meeting) gave me her address and proposed going to the bed without me asking them any of these things (no kidding). I was absolutly shocking to find that degree of openness and willingness in such beautiful women unlike in other parts of the West.
If the ladies like you I think those Slavs are really easy to get in bed.
Passepartout
09-21-08, 17:42
My contribution to this discussion around russian girls. I generally speaking do agree with what was written below.
To be more precise, I think that the market is divided into 2 main categories, and you should keep this in mind when you go out for some hunting action.
First category is the young and beautiful russian babes. You will quickly get a date, go to restaurant, with an amazing - as per european standart - beautiful girl. She could be 10 or 20 years old younger than you, but it seems that they don't care. These girls act like princess. i think that these girls are a complete lack of time, unless you only need the pleasure to have a dinner with a beautiful girl. You will need several dates, pay several high restaurant bills in order to get, maybe, a kiss. These girls are looking for the big love (marriage, child, datcha...).
in the second caterogy, you will meet here all 30+ years old, all MILF who has a child at grandma' house for the night. Yes, they are usually not as beautifu as the first category, but guys, these girls know what they want, they know that the next day at 10.00 AM they have to pick up their child... So, when you arrive in their game (usually they go out in 4 -5 girls band, have a dinner, and drink a lot), it doesn't take long for you to kiss her and then, find a way to make her accept to go back home with you.
In that category you can put also all 4-6's, as they have to face so much competition in moscow with the 7,8 and 9. They are usualy happy to meet a gentleman, and I know that we are all gentlemen here.
So up to you: to have a great chance to loose your time with a young and beautiful princess, or to be sure to score a 6 / MILF... As for me, i like both. It just depend on the night... and sometimes, the first category can also finish in your bed...
I live in Moscow and my girlfriend is not russian. I have the feeling the i never met a single russian girl i would like to live with. They are beautiful, usually skillfull in bed, they respect a lot you as "a man" (no feminism in russia), but I consider their mentality as too different from what i can accept (in 2 words: importance of money, lack of humour, lack of smile, lack of desire of travelling, etc...).
To be more precise, I think that the market is divided into 2 main categories, and you should keep this in mind when you go out for some hunting action.
That's a nice and tidy taxonomy, Ppt, but there's an important archetype which you overlooked. It's what I call Karnaval Girl (ref: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082602/). This is your college-aged provincial girl, often from outside of Russia, who's come to Moscow to improve her life through either study or work. She often has multiple boyfriends/sponsors at a time, given that she has to make ends meet by herself. It's important to ask a girl where she's from within the first couple minutes of meeting. If from Moscow, she'd better be gorgeous, cuz it's gonna take some serious work to crack those legs open. She's most likely living with mama and taking her time to find the right guy to marry. But if she's from someplace you've never heard of (eg Bum Fuck Belarus), you may have hit paydirt. That said, you need to be careful, as these girls are often the biggest gold-diggers as well.
I live in Moscow and my girlfriend is not russian. I have the feeling the i never met a single russian girl i would like to live with. They are beautiful, usually skillfull in bed, they respect a lot you as "a man" (no feminism in russia), but I consider their mentality as too different from what i can accept (in 2 words: importance of money, lack of humour, lack of smile, lack of desire of travelling, etc...).
Well, you may not be surprised to hear that Russian dyevs probably feel the same way about you. And not just you, Ppt, but all foreigners. It's common knowledge among Russians that Russian girls can only find a soulmate in a Russian man (despite their faults), as every other nationality lacks the highly esteemed русская душа (Russian soul). Of course you'll find plenty of girls willing to test the waters outside, but I honestly believe that undercurrent of "only Russians understand Russians" runs deep and in every Russian person. Maybe that truly is the Russian soul.
Gentleman Travel
09-22-08, 20:06
Well, you may not be surprised to hear that Russian dyevs probably feel the same way about you. And not just you, Ppt, but all foreigners. It's common knowledge among Russians that Russian girls can only find a soulmate in a Russian man (despite their faults), as every other nationality lacks the highly esteemed русская душа (Russian soul). Of course you'll find plenty of girls willing to test the waters outside, but I honestly believe that undercurrent of "only Russians understand Russians" runs deep and in every Russian person. Maybe that truly is the Russian soul.
I think that is very true!
I dated a couple of Russian girls here (in Canada).
Despite everything they said about the bad habits and mentality of Russian men, and all the advantages they had (great looks, great sex) they still ended up with Russian boyfriends! In Toronto! Go figure!
DJ FourMoney
09-23-08, 00:50
I think that is very true!
I dated a couple of Russian girls here (in Canada).
Despite everything they said about the bad habits and mentality of Russian men, and all the advantages they had (great looks, great sex) they still ended up with Russian boyfriends! In Toronto! Go figure!
Well coming from two different worlds, thats not shocking at all...
But as with everything, you have those that no matter how well matched they may be with their own men, they desire a "western" standard of living, which is why they are IN Toronto, NYC or Los Angeles....
Can you find a Russian man in Los Angeles? Of course, I know at least one.
But for many their faults outweigh their advantages which has given rise to the "Mail Order Bride" market in Eastern Europe.
In my very LIMITED sampling, this isn't specific to Russians really, but Slavic women; they share all the same desires most women share which puts Helena's post on point.
If you're looking to get married, forget young, fresh and tight, even they want young, handsome and exciting more than older, establish and steady. You can strike a happy medium I believe if you seek those women in their mid to late 20's which are heavily populated with 8's, 9's and 10's, so your not loosing much if you desire somebody "Hot". But they are more "ready" for a serious relationship with, well ANYBODY. Might as well be YOU if you can deal with all the nonsense, the INS and money issues.
People like Doc can provide you with more day to day information about Russia because this is his hunting ground, I have done a ton of research about; well getting married to one of these creatures and can I afford it... So if you want THAT information, let me know - :)
But as with everything, you have those that no matter how well matched they may be with their own men, they desire a "western" standard of living, which is why they are IN Toronto, NYC or Los Angeles....
DJ... are you claiming they want a high standard of living, or that they want to live in the west? And if you equate wealth with the west, then you've never been to Moscow. :) Sure, when I first visited 10 years ago, there were tons of Russian girls who wanted to get the hell outta dodge. But now? The girls I know in Moscow - at least the young, smart and attractive ones - are very happy living here and have no interest in moving elsewhere, especially not the US or Canada.
If you're looking to get married, forget young, fresh and tight, even they want young, handsome and exciting more than older, establish and steady. You can strike a happy medium I believe if you seek those women in their mid to late 20's which are heavily populated with 8's, 9's and 10's, so your not loosing much if you desire somebody "Hot". But they are more "ready" for a serious relationship with, well ANYBODY. Might as well be YOU if you can deal with all the nonsense, the INS and money issues.
Actually, Russian girls aren't very concerned about age differences. Much less than in the west. For example, Doc and I aren't that young, yet neither of us has much problem hooking up with girls half our age (though by my own admission he has even less problem than I do :) ). One 19 y.o. I dated said that she wouldn't date any guy under 30, and that she preferred guys around 35. In their minds, guys under 30 might look good, but they aren't marriage material. That said, Russian girls (like any in the world, frankly) do value confidence and charisma. Being handsome and/or stylish helps you score from the start, especially when picking up in bars, clubs and cafes. But that can be offset by personality and humor if you've established a rapport in advance over mamba, odnoklassniki or icq.
Doctor_Skank
09-23-08, 11:31
dj... are you claiming they want a high standard of living, or that they want to live in the west? and if you equate wealth with the west, then you've never been to moscow. :) sure, when i first visited 10 years ago, there were tons of russian girls who wanted to get the hell outta dodge. but now? the girls i know in moscow - at least the young, smart and attractive ones - are very happy living here and have no interest in moving elsewhere, especially not the us or canada.
actually, russian girls aren't very concerned about age differences. much less than in the west. for example, doc and i aren't that young, yet neither of us has much problem hooking up with girls half our age (though by my own admission he has even less problem than i do :) ). one 19 y.o. i dated said that she wouldn't date any guy under 30, and that she preferred guys around 35. in their minds, guys under 30 might look good, but they aren't marriage material. that said, russian girls (like any in the world, frankly) do value confidence and charisma. being handsome and/or stylish helps you score from the start, especially when picking up in bars, clubs and cafes. but that can be offset by personality and humor if you've established a rapport in advance over mamba, odnoklassniki or icq.pizdanutsa! right on target...
in terms of moscow girls (and st.petersburg essentially the same) there is little desire for youngish, educated girls to leave the country.
the "i must leave russia!" generation is already the 35+ crowd and even many of them have figured out that the west is not necessarily the promised land.
that said, in my experience those that do desire to leave russia are usually looking at it as a temporary career move and by far the most popular places are london and italy. my pov might be a bit skewed since i know a lot of girls in finance, but i think the trend is pretty representative for most 25-35 year old yuppie dyevs.
i have however met a lot of girls that went to the us on work/study programs or worked in the us for a year or so, mostly menial labor cleaning hotels etc. same goes for girls who worked on cruise ships, i personally know 5 or 6 so the overall numbers must be very high. they almost all end up back in russia however.
as for age, of course there are girls that prefer dating in their peer group and sometimes this is made obvious, but i've never been outright rejected just because of age.... there are other reasons to reject me.. .:)
i've had a enough cases where girls said i was "a bit old" for them but still ended up in bed with me. nonetheless, i do think the trend of dating within the peer group will grow in ee as well as younger guys start making more money (or getting more from mom and pop) and become more attractive to younger girls.
still, russia is very much a dating paradise for guys 35-45 with a little cash and average to above average "game". in a nutshell, i feel no shame hitting on 18-22 year olds in russia and get very little negative response from others. the girls themselves aren't surprised at all.
contrarily in europe or the us, it is often apparent that this is not in "the comfort zone" socially.
DJ FourMoney
09-23-08, 12:15
pizdanutsa! right on target...
in terms of moscow girls (and st.petersburg essentially the same) there is little desire for youngish, educated girls to leave the country.
the "i must leave russia!" generation is already the 35+ crowd and even many of them have figured out that the west is not necessarily the promised land.
that said, in my experience those that do desire to leave russia are usually looking at it as a temporary career move and by far the most popular places are london and italy. my pov might be a bit skewed since i know a lot of girls in finance, but i think the trend is pretty representative for most 25-35 year old yuppie dyevs.
i have however met a lot of girls that went to the us on work/study programs or worked in the us for a year or so, mostly menial labor cleaning hotels etc. same goes for girls who worked on cruise ships, i personally know 5 or 6 so the overall numbers must be very high. they almost all end up back in russia however.
as for age, of course there are girls that prefer dating in their peer group and sometimes this is made obvious, but i've never been outright rejected just because of age.... there are other reasons to reject me.. .:)
i've had a enough cases where girls said i was "a bit old" for them but still ended up in bed with me. nonetheless, i do think the trend of dating within the peer group will grow in ee as well as younger guys start making more money (or getting more from mom and pop) and become more attractive to younger girls.
still, russia is very much a dating paradise for guys 35-45 with a little cash and average to above average "game". in a nutshell, i feel no shame hitting on 18-22 year olds in russia and get very little negative response from others. the girls themselves aren't surprised at all.
contrarily in europe or the us, it is often apparent that this is not in "the comfort zone" socially.
you can both correct... i don't equate "west" with "wealth". if bailing out wall street, something i know many that post here are connected too equals "corp welfare" then that is closer to the truth.
and i agree that many rather go to stylish places like italy or france i suppose, america has really gone down the tubes hasn't it???
that's why i get the feeling i've come to this party a bit too late... we shall see however, i still got bullets to shoot....
Doctor_Skank
10-08-08, 12:10
Just some thoughts with an invitation for comment and expansion...
Things that do work with Russian girls:
* success
* mystery
* gifts (needn't be big or inappropriately outlandish)
* humor (can be tough to communicate however)
* passion (not only sexual... passion about anything will do)
* jealousy (them jealous of you)
* talent (girls love guys who are good at something)
Things that don't work:
* anger
* violence
* coldness
* stinginess
* indecisiveness
* jealousy (you jealous of them)
* laziness (there is no "slacker" culture in Russia)
DJ FourMoney
10-08-08, 12:18
just some thoughts with an invitation for comment and expansion...
things that do work with russian girls:
* success
* mystery
* gifts (needn't be big or inappropriately outlandish)
* humor (can be tough to communicate however)
* passion (not only sexual... passion about anything will do)
* jealousy (them jealous of you)
* talent (girls love guys who are good at something)
things that don't work:
* anger
* violence
* coldness
* stinginess
* indecisiveness
* jealousy (you jealous of them)
* laziness (there is no "slacker" culture in russia)
i agree with you on all points.
the only slacker culture is here, canada and the uk.....
the amount of single russian women is crushing. i need to find a good english speaker!
i guess this is the place were we can talk about web sites? i'm still on elena's where a 41 year old has tried to contact me, funny but interesting. lucky lovers, i haven't been on lately. low scam factor is nice, but not quite having the selection i want.
any other sites you peeps can suggest? i just don't want to join any old site...
Doctor_Skank
10-08-08, 12:33
i agree with you on all points.
the only slacker culture is here, canada and the uk.....
the amount of single russian women is crushing. i need to find a good english speaker!
i guess this is the place were we can talk about web sites? i'm still on elena's where a 41 year old has tried to contact me, funny but interesting. lucky lovers, i haven't been on lately. low scam factor is nice, but not quite having the selection i want.
any other sites you peeps can suggest? i just don't want to join any old site...for long-distance chat lucky lovers is pretty decent, although i do not use it anymore myself.
i also used to use this site, got laid there a few times:
http://www.bride.ru/
there is some spam and scamming there, but pretty easy to filter out.
now i use www.love.mail.ru a lot... it's also sometimes called "mamba" on this forum since there are many mirror sites that use the same database.
also www.dating.ru.
you'll need to learn some russian to navigate the sites... and knowing even a little bit will help you be successful there... most people are looking for people living in their own city and not looking for long-distance relationships. also, avoid the super hotties. their pics are great to slobber all over, but they are looking for local rich guys in most cases. just my 2 cents.
if you want to stick to english, you might try any of the sites popular in the us like facebook or myspace. russians on there too, although i am certain they get lots of attention.... which is probably why they are there in the first place.
the only slacker culture is here, canada and the uk.....lots of slacker culture in europe and asia as well... basically anyplace that has had a stable, secure economy over the last 2-3 decades will inherentely develop a culture of chronic underachieving and boredom. it is a shame that pop culture celebrates it so much and that society supports it.
Just some thoughts with an invitation for comment and expansion...
Things that do work with Russian girls:
* success
* mystery
* gifts (needn't be big or inappropriately outlandish)
* humor (can be tough to communicate however)
* passion (not only sexual... passion about anything will do)
* jealousy (them jealous of you)
* talent (girls love guys who are good at something)
Things that don't work:
* anger
* violence
* coldness
* stinginess
* indecisiveness
* jealousy (you jealous of them)
* laziness (there is no "slacker" culture in Russia)
"Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac" - Henry Kissinger
On the other hand, it's a turnoff if you're bragging. Powerful men don't need to brag.
Of course this is bad news if you're a "sanitation engineer", but I don't think many of those types are visiting Moscow in today's economic climate.
In my opinion,things that work with russian girls.
1. Intelligence.Awareness about literature,cinema,music,philosophy,they like to discuss.Languages,travel.
2. Psychology.Able to quickly calibrate the girl,understand their needs etc.
3. Money.This is the success element.
Generally the less intelligent the girl,the more value they put on material things.Communism,atheism,slavic character shaped the girls.
No market value of girls in communism.
No morals during atheism.
No restrictions from slavic soul.Freedom.
It comes like this.
Doctor_Skank
10-08-08, 20:25
"Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac" - Henry Kissinger
On the other hand, it's a turnoff if you're bragging. Powerful men don't need to brag.
Of course this is bad news if you're a "sanitation engineer", but I don't think many of those types are visiting Moscow in today's economic climate.Good point.
Bragging is risky, but still you must convey a message of success/power to her.
Of course blatant braggards or braggards that cannot back up their stories in any way will get called out sooner than later... but you must give her clues or signals that you are successful. Pure confidence is the best way to convey that, but being careful to avoid appearing aloof or conceited... which are negative signals.
If you've got good mojo you'll automatically be sending the right signals however.
Another positive aspect is that in most issues you can be very upfront with them. The only thing you absolutely cannot afford to do is appear unmanly or weak. You might get away with emotional weakness at times.. all women like that or can at least respect it... but weakness of character or weakness of drive to succeed are things they won't tolerate more than a few isolated incidents. If she is a quality girl she can get a percievably quality guy (upwardly mobile) elsewhere pretty easily in this economy. When it comes to ladder climbing, looks are secondary to girls, so no amount of charm will help you there.
In a sense foreigners still have certain inherent advantages they can use. Of course not all women will be interested in meeting a foreigner and some even against it, but you'll always find a significant amount that are actually interested, even if initially just out of curiousity. If you play your cards right, this curiousity will get you laid in a very short time. Some girls do still seemingly get turned on by the idea of fucking a foreigner, especially the student type girls or girls working for western or international companies where English is spoken. These girls aren't usually the absolute hotties, but more the 6-8 type. Very fuckable and often beautiful, but not absolutely top drawer. Top drawer expects more from a foreigner than nice words, some presents and some fleeting romance. She expects "perspective" for herself and will hold out to get it as long as she can. Foreigners welcome, but they must bring considerably more to the table than just "fun". If your power and success are faulty or even just a facade, you'll not make the cut. Bagging this category of bird will cost you more time meaning will cost you more coin. There are exceptions to every rule, but that's the way it's shaping up. Thankfully for me, I'm happy with 7-8s, but draw the line at 6s. I also enjoy getting the occassional 9. It does feel better.
There are also disadvantages beyond the language handicap most have or cultural issues, for example there is the disadvantage of expectation. It is actually an opportunity to gain advantage... this expectation combined with curiousity will get your foot in the door... however if you don't meet expectations, you're doubly punished. A local boy might get away with going cheap on his girlfriend a few times if they are both students for example, however a foreigner in Moscow is naturally assumed to be successful and somewhat monied... as most are. Anything less confuses them in a decidedly negative way.
A local boy might get away with going cheap on his girlfriend a few times if they are both students for example, however a foreigner in Moscow is naturally assumed to be successful and somewhat monied... as most are. Anything less confuses them in a decidedly negative way.
You can say that again. And it's slippery slope too. If you get latched up with a Muscovite girl of good breeding and show her a 1st class time on date #1, things are certainly not going to go on the cheap from there. If these girls are going out with a "pretender" and not a "contender", they will want to find out quickly and drop you before there's any collateral damage.
Naked Gunz
10-09-08, 02:55
Just some thoughts with an invitation for comment and expansion...
Things that do work with Russian girls:
* success
* mystery
* gifts (needn't be big or inappropriately outlandish)
* humor (can be tough to communicate however)
* passion (not only sexual... passion about anything will do)
* jealousy (them jealous of you)
* talent (girls love guys who are good at something)
Things that don't work:
* anger
* violence
* coldness
* stinginess
* indecisiveness
* jealousy (you jealous of them)
* laziness (there is no "slacker" culture in Russia)
Dude! That list works everywhere!
But I do want your advice since I'm gun shy with foreign women approacing online. Since the African internet scam is SO HUGE- You know, using fake pics to try to scam you!
When I get Russian women sending me a shout , I imagine some vodka swilling commie cabbie trying for extra income from me. When it comes to the African pics, it seems the poorer looking women are for the most part real. The high quality, super model pics that come in, I doubt right away.
But those Russian pics are usually all very hot. So you say those Russian are genuine for the most part?
Doctor_Skank
10-09-08, 08:35
Dude! That list works everywhere!
NG, essentially, yes. ) As we've often said on this board, in many ways everywhere girls are girls.
It's the details that make things more interesting, and culturally there are of course differences. That's why we have finally gotten our own threads on the subject... in fact, 2 threads.
Cultural differences... for example IMO European women place a big emphasis on intelligence, Chinese women on family or social status and American women on looks, style or coolness. Age and one's own social position in life of course affect these factors, but the validity is essentially the same.
Russians put more emphasis on certain factors than other cultures do, at least in my experience.
For example, as Hecker correctly said awareness of Slavic history, traditions or culture will go a long way with the girls, just as intelligence in general would. This is surprisingly a prominent theme among different social groups in Russia. You'd of course expect it among academics, but not among average girls.
IMO Russian girls put even a stronger emphasis on success than American or European girls do. This is probably something that established itself in the last 20 years and isn't based purely upon greed as one might initially suspect, but rather on security and tradition.
Besides the need for the shiny things that girls want and need in a hyper-capitalist economy, there is the underlining notion that harder times could come again and it is vital to establish oneself in the upper class. Traditionally the upper class ruled the lower classes, who were peasants. It often amazes me the way the upper classes and nouveau riche treat the lower and even middle classes. Again this may change with time, however the traditional second question girls ask "what do you do" isn't ONLY a question to determine how much money you make, but rather to gauge your social position and what you want from life. The first question is of course "where do you live?". For girls who see their future in Moscow and especially those from good or upwardly mobile families, guys who don't live locally or spend a lot of time locally are essentially useless, although you may get lucky as a tourist every once and a while a tickle some girl's fancy as a novelty fuck. Girls from regional cities are more likely to be interested in meeting guys who might get them out of their provincial cities, even though life there has improved considerably in the last 5 years.
But those Russian pics are usually all very hot. So you say those Russian are genuine for the most part?Are you talking about normal dating sites, i.e. non-pros? On those sites virtually all the pictures are real. I've never met a girl that wasn't the same girl as in her pictures... sometimes better-looking than the pictures, sometimes the same, sometimes slightly worse. It was always the same girl though.
The pro sites are another story.
DJ FourMoney
10-10-08, 11:57
For long-distance chat lucky lovers is pretty decent, although I do not use it anymore myself.
I also used to use this site, got laid there a few times:
http://www.bride.ru/
There is some spam and scamming there, but pretty easy to filter out.
Now I use www.love.mail.ru a lot... it's also sometimes called "mamba" on this forum since there are many mirror sites that use the same database.
Also www.dating.ru.
You'll need to learn some Russian to navigate the sites... and knowing even a little bit will help you be successful there... most people are looking for people living in their own city and not looking for long-distance relationships. Also, avoid the super hotties. Their pics are great to slobber all over, but they are looking for local rich guys in most cases. Just my 2 cents.
If you want to stick to English, you might try any of the sites popular in the US like Facebook or Myspace. Russians on there too, although I am certain they get lots of attention.... which is probably why they are there in the first place.Lots of slacker culture in Europe and Asia as well... basically anyplace that has had a stable, secure economy over the last 2-3 decades will inherentely develop a culture of chronic underachieving and boredom. It is a shame that pop culture celebrates it so much and that society supports it.
Thanks, Bride.ru in "Going For the Gold" mode is just what the doctor ordered, its hard to believe that many attractive women are out there, waiting to be scooped up.
Considering paying for it and glad to hear you have had some success with it.
English speaking is somewhat important but not so important that I won't consider somebody with seriously broken English.
I can't bring myself to do Facebook and My Space. I already have a My Space page and hardly use it, update it or visit it. I feel I'm too old to be on My Space, well besides all the music artist from my youth having pages on there....
Elena's cost too much to join for a limited amount of success so I just buy email addresses as needed. I don't think Bride has those options...
Thanks again, you are the man!
Doctor_Skank
10-10-08, 12:59
Thanks, Bride.ru in "Going For the Gold" mode is just what the doctor ordered, its hard to believe that many attractive women are out there, waiting to be scooped up.
Considering paying for it and glad to hear you have had some success with it.
English speaking is somewhat important but not so important that I won't consider somebody with seriously broken English.
I can't bring myself to do Facebook and My Space. I already have a My Space page and hardly use it, update it or visit it. I feel I'm too old to be on My Space, well besides all the music artist from my youth having pages on there....
Elena's cost too much to join for a limited amount of success so I just buy email addresses as needed. I don't think Bride has those options...
Thanks again, you are the man!Give it a shot.... I don't know if things have changed since I was using the site 2003-2004, but when I was you could set up a profile for free and girls would write you. You could also click on girls and get their email addresses. I got dozens of letters and chose a few I liked to communicate with which were in cities that I could theoretically visit. The girls I actually ended up meeting (many of which I slept with eventually) were genuine and thankfully not ONLY interested in marriage, although they were more the serious type and not just hobby daters like you find on some other sites.
In any case I think it's worth a shot, especially if you are indeed looking for something genuine.
As for Facebook/My Space... I don't have the time and patience for that stuff.
Doctor_Skank
10-15-08, 09:32
Thanks, Bride.ru in "Going For the Gold" mode is just what the doctor ordered, its hard to believe that many attractive women are out there, waiting to be scooped up.
I got a couple of requests for info about bride.ru, as I had mentioned that I had gotten laid off the site a couple of times.
Essentially the situation is the same with the dating sites like mamba:
1) post a good (but real) picture
2) write some things about yourself
3) convey the message that you are often in Russia/Ukraine
4) begin a conversation/banter
5) visit her/meet her within a relatively short time after starting contact
For some people points 3 and 5 are difficult, however both will increase your scoring chances tremendously.
For those who really are looking for a serious relationship/marriage and not just sex, points 3 and 5 can be put on hold, as the marriage-oriented girl is probably open to the idea of leaving Russia. That said, many of the girls on bride.ru were also open to a casual relationship. I never promised the girls anything relationship-wise, so this functioned the same way as the dating sites for me. Bride.ru worked mostly as an email communication platform for me, whereas now I prefer the chat oriented sites as communication is faster.
For a more serious approach, the email will work just fine or maybe even better.
One tip for developing serious relationships. I actually learned this from a girl who was writing me. She would ask specific, somewhat provocative questions, like: "If your house was burning down and you could only save one thing, and you had the choice between your cat and an old family photo album with the last portraits of your grandparents, which would you save?"
Interesting way to get into someone's psyche. By the time we actually met, it was like we knew each other. Still took 2 dates to bed her though.
DJ FourMoney
10-15-08, 12:09
I got a couple of requests for info about bride.ru, as I had mentioned that I had gotten laid off the site a couple of times.
Essentially the situation is the same with the dating sites like mamba:
1) post a good (but real) picture
2) write some things about yourself
3) convey the message that you are often in Russia/Ukraine
4) begin a conversation/banter
5) visit her/meet her within a relatively short time after starting contact
For some people points 3 and 5 are difficult, however both will increase your scoring chances tremendously.
For those who really are looking for a serious relationship/marriage and not just sex, points 3 and 5 can be put on hold, as the marriage-oriented girl is probably open to the idea of leaving Russia. That said, many of the girls on bride.ru were also open to a casual relationship. I never promised the girls anything relationship-wise, so this functioned the same way as the dating sites for me. Bride.ru worked mostly as an email communication platform for me, whereas now I prefer the chat oriented sites as communication is faster.
For a more serious approach, the email will work just fine or maybe even better.
One tip for developing serious relationships. I actually learned this from a girl who was writing me. She would ask specific, somewhat provocative questions, like: "If your house was burning down and you could only save one thing, and you had the choice between your cat and an old family photo album with the last portraits of your grandparents, which would you save?"
Interesting way to get into someone's psyche. By the time we actually met, it was like we knew each other. Still took 2 dates to bed her though.
I agree with #3 and #5. I started speaking with the girl from Kiev from Lucky Lovers. She actually contacted me first.... I haven't had such luck since however. No dates, just spent time together, child in tow at all times, finally hit it twice on the 3rd day. She couldn't resist anymore...lol
But it wasn't worth it, she hit me over the head with second thought nonsense.
I'm dead serious about LTR with a EE babe, I think it can be done and on many times cheaper than many people that use agencies. By using this site, the ISG network of information, I can spend less, beat the odds and come out away ahead.
I think I'll join Bride.ru in Dec, because I'm going to try and go back to Europe in March/April, which would give me time to get closer to somebody before I visit.
5) visit her/meet her within a relatively short time after starting contact.
Right on the money Doc. It literally *boosts* your position to say that you will be on site shortly, especially for secluded destinations such as Tashkent and surely provincial Russia.
I've personally stopped to prepare travel adventures too well in advance, and use dating sites only when I have travel plans within one month at max (or during a stay).
PS : Bride.ru seems not nearly as good as love.mail.ru and LL but maybe worthwhile though ; is there a search fonction by location (city) when you're a silver member ?
Doctor_Skank
10-15-08, 13:42
I've personally stopped to prepare travel adventures too well in advance, and use dating sites only when I have travel plans within one month at max (or during a stay).Exactly. I don't start shopping until max 10-14 days before arrival. It usually works out that I'll have 5-6 good contacts set by touchdown.
If you start too early, 2-3 months before say, you are wasting everybody's time in my opinion... especially your own... unless of course you are "relationship building" on a major scale... however this is bound to lead to disappointment if your only goal is really just 1-2 dates + sex.
2) write some things about yourself.
I find that russian dyevs are more witty, learned, conversant, interesting and susceptible to be charmed with humor and wit than their ukrainian cousins. As they are my main target on LL, I've wrote on my profile (among other entertaining nonsenses but also, to counterbalance, some russian culture references) as "My Likes" : Бухло, секс и шашлыки (booze, sex and pelminis).
It works quite well particularly with the most cosmopolitan and fun ones from Moscow and SPb.
Why cheating anyway ? :)
Doctor_Skank
10-15-08, 15:34
I find that russian dyevs are more witty, learned, conversant, interesting and susceptible to be charmed with humor and wit than their ukrainian cousins. That's why on my LL profile I wrote (among other entertaining nonsenses but also, to counterbalance, some russian culture references) as "My Likes" : Бухло, секс и шашлыки (booze, sex and pelminis).
It works quite well particularly with the most cosmopolitan and fun ones from Moscow and SPb.
Why cheating anyway ? :)True enough, Russian girls are easier going, more "up-to-date" and open than their Ukrainian sisters in my opinion, especially those based in big cities.
BTW: шашлыки translates better as BBQ. Pelmeni is something different, although equally delicious.
You have been warned and don't even think about bringing them to the UK
Pelmeni is something different, although equally delicious.
As an expat friend in Moscow pointed out on my last trip to Moscow, the Russian Pelmeni bears a striking similarity to its Ukrainian cousin, Vereneki.
Basically the same food (a dumpling of sorts) Pelmeni differs in shape to Vereneki just a little at point where the two "lips" of dough come together. In the Pelmeni the join often puckers a bit to reveal a small view of stuffing (which can be meat, cheese, or potato) to reveal a hint of what's inside.
Often called Perogi on this continent (NA) the Vereneki are very similar to the Pelmeni in shape but the fold of dough comes together to form a vertical pair of lips (depending on how you hold it) but rather than revealing any of the goodies inside come together to form a smooth join that can be easily parted given the right additive like butter, sour cream or even olive oil.
Does this remind anyone of anything?
Funny how food can often imitate anatomy.
True enough, Russian girls are easier going, more "up-to-date" and open than their Ukrainian sisters in my opinion, especially those based in big cities.
BTW: шашлыки translates better as BBQ. Pelmeni is something different, although equally delicious.Yes, I confirm that. Especially ukrainian girls from provincial cities are very primitive. You can observe the difference when you talk to an ukrainian girl who has a russian friend. Great difference indeed.
Doctor_Skank
10-15-08, 21:58
Russian a striking similarity to its Ukrainian cousin...Basically the same two "lips" ..what's inside...pair of lips that can be easily parted like butterUh, I get it. But damn, I'll never look at pelmeni the same way again.
Once met a girl on a website who had listed under "things I like": kolbaski/sausages
I met her think it was hide the salami time, unfortunately she really just liked sausages. Took me 3 (!) dates and way too much effort to get her to like mine. )
Uh, I get it. But damn, I'll never look at pelmeni the same way again.
Glad you do Dr. S.
Let me illustrate my point for those who don't quite get the finer points of Slavic cooking.
Bon appetite.....
1) post a good (but real) picture
2) write some things about yourself
3) convey the message that you are often in Russia/Ukraine
4) begin a conversation/banter
5) visit her/meet her within a relatively short time after starting contact
For some people points 3 and 5 are difficult, however both will increase your scoring chances tremendously.
As someone who lives in Moscow, I'm envious of all you visiting guys. When I'm travelling (eg Kiev, Piter, Minsk...), it's always easier to schedule my deffki, but when the dyev knows that you live there permanently, they seem less willing to adopt your schedule as when you'll only be in town for a few days. I thought about cooking up a story that I'm just visiting at my brother's place (who's on vacation or a business trip), but not sure I'd be able to sell it. I'm not a very good liar...
"If your house was burning down and you could only save one thing, and you had the choice between your cat and an old family photo album with the last portraits of your grandparents, which would you save?"
Shashlik iz kiski anyone? :)
Doctor_Skank
10-16-08, 08:19
Glad you do Dr. S.
Let me illustrate my point for those who don't quite get the finer points of Slavic cooking.
Bon appetite.....I'm hungry.
By the way, ever had those Siberian/Kazakh "manti" type pelmeni, where you have to suck the hot juice out of?
I'm hungry.
By the way, ever had those Siberian/Kazakh "manti" type pelmeni, where you have to suck the hot juice out of?
I need to dig up an old post from my first trip to Almaty. Yikes - I'm starting to shiver just thinking about it......
Doctor_Skank
10-16-08, 17:05
I need to dig up an old post from my first trip to Almaty. Yikes - I'm starting to shiver just thinking about it......Well just in case you forget what it looks like. Don't forget to suck the juice out.
Well just in case you forget what it looks like. Don't forget to suck the juice out.
Jeepers Skank, I know you like them skinny but come on! How did you not impale yourself on the girl's pelvic bone?
Doctor_Skank
10-16-08, 19:56
Jeepers Skank, I know you like them skinny but come on! How did you not impale yourself on the girl's pelvic bone?Doggy style?
She wasn't that skinny.. just tall.:)
Sometimes I like a bit more though too. Like this fat ass.
Glad you do Dr. S.
Let me illustrate my point for those who don't quite get the finer points of Slavic cooking.
Bon appetite.....Pelmini3 must be one of the most surreal shots I've seen for a while. Is it art, or is it just tasty pelmini? ;)
Pelmini3 must be one of the most surreal shots I've seen for a while. Is it art, or is it just tasty pelmini? ;)
Just good investigative photo journalism.
Doctor_Skank
10-17-08, 12:54
I recently wrote a regular girlfriend that she was something like "super, wonderful, beautiful, loving, sexy, beautiful, passionate, fun, adventurous and wild." Moments later I got back a big mail that 'no one had ever told her such words and she was crying with joy'.
Huh?
I was a bit surprised, as she is the kind of girl I'd expect gets compliments all the time. At the same time, I have often heard from girls that Russian men are terrible about making compliments, preferring to "not spoil" their girls. I am certain there is some cultural value to what they are saying long-term, but it does open the door for us free-tongued foreigners.
Nonetheless, going too early with the "you are beautiful" could come off cheap and slimy.
What are your guys thoughts on using the "b" word, and subsequent compliments?
1) when should it be used?
2) what immediate effect does it have? (positive and negative)
3) what long-term effects can it have? (positive and negative)
Of course I realise there is no standard recipe for everything, but it is worth some thought and discussion in my opinion, as it does get us thinking about what they're thinking and feeling.
Thoughts fellas?
Of course I realise there is no standard recipe for everything, but it is worth some thought and discussion in my opinion, as it does get us thinking about what they're thinking and feeling.
Thoughts fellas?
Skank,
You bring up a REALLY good topic which is very timely for me personally as I am in the process of courting a 20 something Muscovite lass of good position and breeding. Why? Good question - but let's table that for a moment.
It has been my experience that Russian women have one of the most finely turned bullshit detector systems out there when it comes to false compliments. Unlike other cultures where false praise is expected to be heaped on women like so much manure, Slavic women tend to be more skeptical of praise from men..... especially ones who are trying to get into their pants. For example, you might casually greet a good looking woman acquaintance or colleague by saying, "Hi gorgeous". Try that with a Russian woman and except for the firs time, it will likely be met with a slight cock of the head a slight squint. You know darn well that she's thinking, "OK - what does this pecker head want now?" Try that with a Brazilian woman, and whether it's the first time or the hundred and first time you say it, it's always met with a little twitter and a flirtatious giggle. The Latinas love it.
However, when you offer a carefully considered complement about a Russian woman's inner self, or her a whole (including her drop dead gorgeous body) the response seems to be much more emotional. I agree with you, I don't think Russian women are accustomed to getting sincere compliments from Russian men. It's not a bad thing it's just not in the culture.
For example, I was dating a beautiful blond Muscovite about a year ago. Late 30's, investment banker, smart as a whip, body like a dancer. Could treat the whole world like shit if she wanted to but when it came to waiters, waitresses at Coffee House, the guy collecting tickets at the theater, store clerks, the babushka at the metro begging for money, etc she had a very kind and gentle way about her that made people "beam" when she interacted with them. She was one of these people who would just stick out and shine in a crowd. One night during "pillow talk" I mentioned to her (can't remember the exact words) what a beautiful person I thought she was - not just from her physical appearance but her as a complete person and I told her why I thought so. To my surprise she broke down in tears and told me that was the most wonderful thing anyone had ever said to her and proceeded to screw my brains out. But I digress...... although I was quite sincere in my comment, I really was not prepared for that reaction and it told me something about her and Russian women in general.
Again, try that with the Latinas, and will get the same curious stare that you get when trying to explain quantum physics to your dog. They hear the words but it just does not compute.
Now, this carefully considered praise can have unintended consequences. As we have discussed ad nauseum, Russian women have a whole different attitude to sex and casual relationships than the ones we grew up with in this repressed sex prison we call "the West". BUT - when you dare to cross the emotional threshold, you can get yourself into a whole lot more than what you bargained for. While I have no first hand experience with this myself, I understand that if you get a Russian girl into a relationship that progresses beyond casual sex and then break up with her, you had best be prepared for Armageddon. The old saying about "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned***", was probably coined when dealing with a bad breakup with a Russian chick. Pots and pans - cleavers and knives - daggers and axes - it will get very messy if you choose to sever a relationship with a girl with whom you have taken a voyage with the "B" word. Consider yourself warned.
*** Most people think this phrase was coined by William Shakespeare. In fact, it actually comes from a play called the "The Mourning Bride" (1697) by William Congreve. The complete quote is "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned / Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned."
My 2 kopecs worth....
My email friend recnently decided that she wants to come to US to meet me but, at the last moment, was told that she had to produce $2200 to demonstrate to immigration that she had sufficient funds for her trip, and would not become a burden on either government by being stranded in the US.
The US Embassy website says that there is no such requirement, while the US Dept. Of Homeland Security website does say that Russian tourists will be asked to produce proof of sufficient cash resources.
I don't want to accuse my Russian hottie of a scam. Any advice from those of you with experience would be very helpful!
I recently wrote a regular girlfriend that she was something like "super, wonderful, beautiful, loving, sexy, beautiful, passionate, fun, adventurous and wild." Moments later I got back a big mail that 'no one had ever told her such words and she was crying with joy'.
Huh?
I was a bit surprised, as she is the kind of girl I'd expect gets compliments all the time. At the same time, I have often heard from girls that Russian men are terrible about making compliments, preferring to "not spoil" their girls. I am certain there is some cultural value to what they are saying long-term, but it does open the door for us free-tongued foreigners.
Nonetheless, going too early with the "you are beautiful" could come off cheap and slimy.
What are your guys thoughts on using the "b" word, and subsequent compliments?
1) when should it be used?
2) what immediate effect does it have? (positive and negative)
3) what long-term effects can it have? (positive and negative)
Of course I realise there is no standard recipe for everything, but it is worth some thought and discussion in my opinion, as it does get us thinking about what they're thinking and feeling.
Thoughts fellas?I agree with Russians.I don't compliment them often.And I never say ''I love you'' although they press for it.
Stravinsky
10-17-08, 23:45
grapelli,
every foreign citizen applying for a visa to visit the u.s. must prove to the satisfaction of the consular officer at the embassy where they apply that they intend to return to their country. the decision on whether or not to grant a visa rests solely within the discretion the consular officer, who, may require that the intending applicant provide proof of employment in their country, permanent assets such as real estate, or family members living with them in their country as proof that they will return. a young russian woman applying for a visa to the u.s. is going to get a lot of scrutiny and it's not unusual for the embassy to require that she provide proof that she has the financial assets to pay for her trip.
so, she could very well be telling you the truth or, she could be trying to pull a scam on you. or both.
just how badly do you want to ball this babe anyway?
DJ FourMoney
10-18-08, 01:42
my email friend recnently decided that she wants to come to us to meet me but, at the last moment, was told that she had to produce $2200 to demonstrate to immigration that she had sufficient funds for her trip, and would not become a burden on either government by being stranded in the us.
the us embassy website says that there is no such requirement, while the us dept. of homeland security website does say that russian tourists will be asked to produce proof of sufficient cash resources.
i don't want to accuse my russian hottie of a scam. any advice from those of you with experience would be very helpful!
dude, go there instead. if she's serious about you, you can work out all the vista/ins bs later. plan on visiting her at least twice however, as it takes 10-11 months (if no mistakes have been found) to get green card status for russians.
this is why i still like my western european option. its pretty much a "snap" process for eu members to get permits into the us. in fact you can get around it all together and while on a visit you can marry her and complete the process state side but it takes longer to get done, man our red tape is incredible...
a friend of mine (brotha) married an attractive swedish woman (brunette/ice blue eyes) in sweden, got the paperwork done locally and within 6 months of tying up loose ends she's now a us resident of boston, ma
try that with ee women, no way fast track that process...
Many thanks for the replies! The girl in question is very beautiful, but looking for a husband, while I'm more interested in an audition. Meanwhile, I'm getting tearful emails (if you can imagine) about how much she wants to come here, but now she's stranded in Moscow.
my email friend recnently decided that she wants to come to us to meet me but, at the last moment, was told that she had to produce $2200 to demonstrate to immigration that she had sufficient funds for her trip, and would not become a burden on either government by being stranded in the us.
the us embassy website says that there is no such requirement, while the us dept. of homeland security website does say that russian tourists will be asked to produce proof of sufficient cash resources.
i don't want to accuse my russian hottie of a scam. any advice from those of you with experience would be very helpful!
grapelli
e-mail friend?
she is scamming you. give her the $2,200 and thats the last you will see of the dev or your money. imho
next thing you will hear is her computer is broken or granny is sick and needs medicine.
there is no set dollar amount that is mandatory to allow the devs to visit the usa.
the consulate looks for ownership of an apartment or house, child, long-term job with verifiable income and a bank account.
also there will be an interview where the consulate will do their best to ask trick questions and find a reason to disqualify her.
the worst thing she can say is she is visiting a friend in the usa.
better she has always wanted to visit hollywood ect
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this advice given to me from a friend in piter allowed me to bring a dev to the states for a few weeks. key thing is i already knew her, not an e-mail friend.
most that apply with out fitting the criteria will not be given visas. do not give her cash up front.
if you end up buying her a plane ticket either use your air miles or buy the ticket with your credit card so it cannot be refunded in cash.
aside from being so cute the devs are both clever and cunning. your dick is not the only thing they are milking.
best thing is to fly there and poke her. while you are there poke another 20 devs for good measure.
thats worth $2,200
guido88
grapelli,
just call the us embassy in moscow and ask what the requirements are in these cases.for example maybe they need documents from your side she never told you about.
Explorer69
10-18-08, 16:08
my email friend recnently decided that she wants to come to us to meet me but, at the last moment, was told that she had to produce $2200 to demonstrate to immigration that she had sufficient funds for her trip, and would not become a burden on either government by being stranded in the us.
the us embassy website says that there is no such requirement, while the us dept. of homeland security website does say that russian tourists will be asked to produce proof of sufficient cash resources.
i don't want to accuse my russian hottie of a scam. any advice from those of you with experience would be very helpful!this one of the most frequent scam procedures!
Stravinsky
10-18-08, 16:09
It's true, I have always admired the detached attitude that Russian men have towards their women and we should all be grateful to them for not spoiling them. I guess everything is relative; when you live in a country full of gorgeous women, it takes a lot to impress. Snow is snow, as far as I'm concerned, but the Chukchi can distinguish between a dozen or more different varieties. At some point, Russian men begin to distinguish between different levels of gorgeousness (is that a word?). Wouldn't we all like to live a life like that. (sigh)
I agree with Jake, I'm not sure the "b" word has that much effect on Russian women. They expect it, and as we all know... men only have 1 thing on their mind, right? Despite their cynical exterior, however, Russian women are actually extremely fragile and delicate. But you can't get at them with money and power. Somehow, you have to touch their Русская Душа (Russian Soul).
The two qualities that Russian women admire most in a man are kindness and generosity, probably because these are the qualities that are most lacking in Russian men. But this is not the kindness of, "I will let you shine my shoes", or the generosity of, "I have a billion Euros, so I can pay you 1,000 to sit at a table in your nightclub".
Russian woman have a wonderful way of separating sex from emotion. Give her the keys to a new Beemer and she will squeal with delight and give you a peck on the cheek and, after she returns from her joy ride, most likely, fuck your brains out, because she understands that payment is expected. But, if you stop to give the flower girl an extra 200r and present her with a fresh bouquet of vasil'ki, she will glow like the sunrise of a Siberian dawn. From that point on, she better not catch you fucking anyone else.
And that gets back to the concept of the Russkaya Dushah. Because no matter how much money or power may be offered to her, for a Russian woman, the ultimate goal of life is the satisfaction of the soul.
So, yes, use the "b" word as much as you want, shower her with gifts and take her out on the town, that is the safest approach. Just be careful not to touch her Russkaya Dushah unless you are absolutely serious about her. Because as Jake has pointed out, an enraged slavic female is like a force of nature. It cannot be stopped, it cannot be controlled or even directed, all you can do is find a safe refuge and wait until the storm passes.
But, it's a hell of a ride! :)
Doctor_Skank
10-23-08, 15:37
I agree with Jake, I'm not sure the "b" word has that much effect on Russian women. They expect it, and as we all know... men only have 1 thing on their mind, right? Despite their cynical exterior, however, Russian women are actually extremely fragile and delicate. But you can't get at them with money and power. Somehow, you have to touch their Русская Душа (Russian Soul).
So, yes, use the "b" word as much as you want, shower her with gifts and take her out on the town, that is the safest approach. Just be careful not to touch her Russkaya Dushah unless you are absolutely serious about her. )I've got a bit of a mystery girl on tap tonight. We've fucked several times already, but still there is nothing automatic about it. Most girls once you've had them will fuck you every time you meet. Not her.
I like to call her a "wind-up doll". I have to entertain her before she'll put out. Nothing terribly expensive, just dinner and dancing.. but still more than I am used to with the regulars who are often happy staying in. Normally I wouldn't put so much effort into a girl, but the sex is out of this world. Great body, perfect sensual blowjobs and loud, grunting and moaning her-ankles-by-her-ears sex.
Maybe she is just a good player. She knows how to make herself more desirable.
Even though we both know that it doesn't have a future since she has often stated that at 23 she needs to find a husband and I've told her I am not it, I still honestly have to ask myself how far I want to push it. What will I do with her if she suddenly does crack and really become smitten, her russkaya dusha having been touched? That'll make the inevitable break up that much harder.
One of the hazards of this game. It can be rough on the psyche if one is not careful. I shudder to think of what we put these girls through sometimes.
That'll make the inevitable break up that much harder. One of the hazards of this game. It can rough on the psyche if one is not careful.
I think David Bowie said it best.... "putting out the fire with ....<da da da> .....gas-o-line!!!!!!"
Stravinsky
10-23-08, 16:47
Even though we both know that it doesn't have a future since she has often stated that at 23 she needs to find a husband and I've told her I am not itDoc,
There is the reality of what we are told, and the reality of what we believe. It can be difficult sometimes to sort them out. Maybe you told her that you won't cum in her mouth, do you think she believes that? :)
If you think she's holding back now, imagine what the sex will be like when she finally does become smitten? Боже мой (my God)! If I were you, I'd gather up all the knives in the kitchen now, and put them away for safe keeping. ;)
Either that, or you could always get married.... :D
I'm never one for second hand info but...
Does marry the chick overseas qualify you to bring her back home (the US) ASAP?
I figure the easiest way to get away from all the US Gov BS - endless questions and forms for both you and her (which gotten worst under W) is to just marry the girl in her homeland.
Egads, what am I saying? :)
A friend of mine (Brotha) married an attractive Swedish woman (Brunette/Ice Blue Eyes) in Sweden, got the paperwork done locally and within 6 months of tying up loose ends she's now a US resident of Boston, MA
Try that with EE women, no way fast track that process...
Doctor_Skank
10-25-08, 15:41
Doc,
If I were you, I'd gather up all the knives in the kitchen now, and put them away for safe keeping. ;)
I'm a slow learner. :)
Actually this is a pic of a different girl... also totally different character than the wind-up-doll. Just wants to stay in and fuck. I can deal with that.
Stravinsky
10-25-08, 17:36
Does marry the chick overseas qualify you to bring her back home (the US) ASAP?Cruiser,
No, marrying a Russian girl in Russia does NOT automatically qualify her to return to the U.S.
It DOES qualify her to apply for a visa to the U.S. as an immigrant, based on the fact that she is the spouse of a U.S. citizen. But, you will still have to go through all the BS and paperwork, six months to a year. As your spouse, however, her approval is (theoretically) guaranteed.
Why don't you try a Fiance visa, can't remember the letter off-hand, I'm thinking it's an F? With a Fiance visa she can come to the U.S. for 90 days so that you can try her out. :) You will need to prove that the two of you have actually met, in person. And you can only apply for 1 at a time. After the 3rd or 4th, the Embassy might start to doubt your sincerity. :)
Stravinsky
10-25-08, 17:39
Actually this is a pic of a different girl...HA!
OK, fess up, was this pic posed? Or did you just fetch it from your vast foto gallery?
Doctor_Skank
10-25-08, 17:57
HA!
OK, fess up, was this pic posed? Or did you just fetch it from your vast foto gallery?I like the girl with knife imagery. Actually I have several girl with knife pictures... it's a new one though, just happened to match your post. If you have any requests however, I'll be happy to arrange something. Girl with RPG? )
I still have a lot of test driving to do in the FSU before I want to change venues. I was just curious. You would think given the 12 million or so illegals in the country they would give a citizen the benefit of the doubt that he married for all the right reasons.
From what I understand the fiancée visa rules changed with the new mail (internet) order bride regs a couple of years ago. Making it, of course, more restrictive and harder to do. It's too bad the current administration and Congress didn't feel the finance regulations needed to become more draconian too.
Why don't you try a Fiance visa, can't remember the letter off-hand, I'm thinking it's an F? With a Fiance visa she can come to the U.S. for 90 days so that you can try her out. :) You will need to prove that the two of you have actually met, in person. And you can only apply for 1 at a time. After the 3rd or 4th, the Embassy might start to doubt your sincerity. :)
DJ FourMoney
10-26-08, 07:08
I still have a lot of test driving to do in the FSU before I want to change venues. I was just curious. You would think given the 12 million or so illegals in the country they would give a citizen the benefit of the doubt that he married for all the right reasons.
From what I understand the fiancée visa rules changed with the new mail (internet) order bride regs a couple of years ago. Making it, of course, more restrictive and harder to do. It's too bad the current administration and Congress didn't feel the finance regulations needed to become more draconian too.
Actually that information isn't really second hand.
First Sweden is on that "list" of countries that Russia, Ukraine, Moldova and most EE countries are not on, which makes movement as a citizen of say Russia a bit more difficult.
Because of the cozy relationship with the EU, you don't need a visa to visit America for 90 days and paperwork is a SNAP if you get married, they don't assume something shady...
US Military men marry women from where they are stationed OFTEN, they don't have any problems bringing them back, neither should you.
Now if we had a nice relationship with Russia.... Things would be MUCH easier.
As you, I'm still kicking tires.....
I've been trying to get a few Ukrainian girls to do the hot Commisar Girl vs the American Capitalist Dog but no one has bitten yet. Of course I only do this with the educated slightly older (who know what I'm talking about) girls.
I like the girl with knife imagery. Actually I have several girl with knife pictures... it's a new one though, just happened to match your post. If you have any requests however, I'll be happy to arrange something. Girl with RPG? )
And DJ, I'm not trying to discredit you. But by defination unless you are the one who did it it's second hand.
DJ FourMoney
10-29-08, 12:01
I've been trying to get a few Ukrainian girls to do the hot Commisar Girl vs the American Capitalist Dog but no one has bitten yet. Of course I only do this with the educated slightly older (who know what I'm talking about) girls.
And DJ, I'm not trying to discredit you. But by defination unless you are the one who did it it's second hand.
I agree, it just usually "second hand" in our culture means " not creditable"
No offense taken playa... Cruiser Zhivago... I thought you were Cruiser "D" though - ;)
I'd like to play the role of Sasha Dith in the Russian Girls video. :)
Doc, just to let you know he came out with a super lame American Boy song.
AColonizer
03-01-09, 15:56
I haven't read everything about your matter, just I wonder I was unlucky because all my Slavic women wanted a phisical and mental strong man, always with a smile on his mouth, a very fast decisionist (sorry for my english), a cynical behaviour where each one tries to get the maximum from the other and no respect for the "good boy" or the "gentleman": this is the meaning of "? " that we often read in profiles.
It's true, I have always admired the detached attitude that Russian men have towards their women and we should all be grateful to them for not spoiling them. I guess everything is relative; when you live in a country full of gorgeous women, it takes a lot to impress. Snow is snow, as far as I'm concerned, but the Chukchi can distinguish between a dozen or more different varieties. At some point, Russian men begin to distinguish between different levels of gorgeousness (is that a word?). Wouldn't we all like to live a life like that. (sigh)
I agree with Jake, I'm not sure the "b" word has that much effect on Russian women. They expect it, and as we all know... men only have 1 thing on their mind, right? Despite their cynical exterior, however, Russian women are actually extremely fragile and delicate. But you can't get at them with money and power. Somehow, you have to touch their Русская Душа (Russian Soul).
The two qualities that Russian women admire most in a man are kindness and generosity, probably because these are the qualities that are most lacking in Russian men. But this is not the kindness of, "I will let you shine my shoes", or the generosity of, "I have a billion Euros, so I can pay you 1,000 to sit at a table in your nightclub".
Russian woman have a wonderful way of separating sex from emotion. Give her the keys to a new Beemer and she will squeal with delight and give you a peck on the cheek and, after she returns from her joy ride, most likely, fuck your brains out, because she understands that payment is expected. But, if you stop to give the flower girl an extra 200r and present her with a fresh bouquet of vasil'ki, she will glow like the sunrise of a Siberian dawn. From that point on, she better not catch you fucking anyone else.
And that gets back to the concept of the Russkaya Dushah. Because no matter how much money or power may be offered to her, for a Russian woman, the ultimate goal of life is the satisfaction of the soul.
So, yes, use the "b" word as much as you want, shower her with gifts and take her out on the town, that is the safest approach. Just be careful not to touch her Russkaya Dushah unless you are absolutely serious about her. Because as Jake has pointed out, an enraged slavic female is like a force of nature. It cannot be stopped, it cannot be controlled or even directed, all you can do is find a safe refuge and wait until the storm passes.
But, it's a hell of a ride! :)
AColonizer
03-01-09, 16:03
just a question for you, u.s. citizens abroad, but do your embassies and consulates work and help you around the world?
because italian embassies do less than nothing and italian citizens abroad prefer to avoid them.
grapelli,
just call the us embassy in moscow and ask what the requirements are in these cases.for example maybe they need documents from your side she never told you about.
Stravinsky
03-02-09, 05:29
a cynical behaviour where each one tries to get the maximum from the other and no respect for the "good boy" or the "gentleman": this is the meaning of "? " that we often read in profiles.Not sure what is your question.
It sounds like you met many slavic women who want a strong decisive man, but this is a problem because the relationship is cynical and manipulative?
Just a question for you, U.S. citizens abroad, but do your embassies and consulates work and help you around the world?
Because Italian embassies do less than NOTHING and Italian citizens abroad prefer to avoid them.
I've only needed American Citizen Services for simple clerical stuff, but they've always treated me promptly and politely.
The fiancee visa is the K-1 visa. If you bring a woman over here on a K-1 and then send her back, you have to wait two years until you can do it again.
Cruiser,
No, marrying a Russian girl in Russia does NOT automatically qualify her to return to the U.S.
It DOES qualify her to apply for a visa to the U.S. as an immigrant, based on the fact that she is the spouse of a U.S. citizen. But, you will still have to go through all the BS and paperwork, six months to a year. As your spouse, however, her approval is (theoretically) guaranteed.
Why don't you try a Fiance visa, can't remember the letter off-hand, I'm thinking it's an F? With a Fiance visa she can come to the U.S. for 90 days so that you can try her out. :) You will need to prove that the two of you have actually met, in person. And you can only apply for 1 at a time. After the 3rd or 4th, the Embassy might start to doubt your sincerity. :)
I was out the other night in Moscow with a friend whom I'll call Steve. On an average night, Steve's hooking up with twice the number of girls I am, maybe because of his looks but just as likely because he's completely fearless on the approach. I'm the type that requires some "liquid courage" to improve my approach/odds. Anyway, we're at Che and a couple of cute girls pop in at 1am looking for a table. Steve motions for the girls to join us, and after a few seconds of glancing at us and discussing between themselves, they sit down at our table.
The blonde (Tanya) is the less attractive of the two - not fat, but not fit either - C cups, dirty blonde curly hair and a gap between her front teeth which doesn't bother me, but turns Steve off big time. Steve's big on straight teeth and hygine. Once at HD, he scolded me for flirting with a wasp-waisted girl with big natural tits and ass. "Did you see her hands? They're fucked up, dude. You do not want those wrapped around your cock - I'm telling you that." Anyway... the brunette (Natasha) is a total spinner sporting a short, skin tight dress with wide cinch belt highlighting her impossibly small waist (I'm guessing no more than 22 inches), pert tits (somewhere between an A and a B cup) and modestly sized but shapely behind. Her face is quite cute, and she looks to be around 21 (she turned out to be 24, while the blonde is 27).
Tanya tells us she wants to dance and so I hit the floor with her. I'm not exaggerating to say that she dances better than any go-go dancer I'd ever seen - spinning, grinding, shaking, flipping her hair... the entire bar is gawking at her while she does her thing. When we return to the table for a break, Natasha and Steve are getting cozy. Well - I thought - he's getting the younger and better looking one, but mine looks like she'd fuck like a banshee. Among other things, I ask them where they met - if they went to university together or worked together. Well, they're sisters! Given the difference in hair and eye color, it hadn't occurred to me that their nose and face shape in general were nearly identical.
We chat a bit but the girls speak zero English and Steve doesn't speak any Russky. So I play interpreter for a while, entertaining myself by "spicing up" the conversation by adding a little sexual innuendo here and there. But I can't keep that up for too long, and return to dance some more with Tanya, making out on the dance floor. Surprisingly, she doesn't kiss nearly as well as she dances - her tongue is rigid not soft and the motions she makes with it are jerky and not at all fluid - maybe I'm just a kissing snob but I've had a lot better. When we return from our make-out/dancing session, Natasha is now doing her nails at the table, looking bored out of her mind, and I ask Steve why he hasn't asked her to dance. Turns out he's asked her no less than 7 times and she has turned him down each time. I then ask Tanya what the hell is up with her sister, and why she doesn't like a good looking guy like Steve. She giggles a little, and then says so softly I can barely make it out in the loud club "It seems to me that she likes you."
Meanwhile Steve is checking out other viable options in our immediate vicinity: 2 brunettes at 11 o'clock, a blonde at 6 o'clock and a tall, buxom girl in a leopard-print dress at 9 o'clock who's had uninterrupted eye contact with him for the past 5 minutes. He gets up to talk to her and I look over at Natasha to see her burning holes in me with her eyes and unabashedly biting on her dark, silky locks. I ask her to dance and after a minute, she straddles my right leg and starts humping it like a dog for the remainder of the song, her face pressed hard against my chest. She'd already confessed that she has a pierced clit that gives her orgasms easily, so I was thinking she might start coming right then and there! God, I love Russia!
So, to recap. Both sisters are hot for me. Steve doesn't want to leave me without a wingman, but he's getting no love despite his efforts. I don't want to subject him to any more abuse. I also don't get the feeling that the girls would split up. In my alcohol-addled brain, I enumerate the following possible strategies:
A) Make a play for a Pizdyets sandwich on Russian sister bread
B) Switch my focus to Natasha completely and try to convince Steve to pursue Tanya, despite that she's a step down from her little sister
C) Continue drinking and hope that Natasha warms to Steve as her blood-alcohol ratio reaches 1:1
Despite the fact that a menage-a-trois with sisters would fulfill a major fantasy of mine, I didn't get the feeling that it'd actually happen. Still - it was worth a try and I floated the idea with each of them only to get "as if I would share you with her" expressions in return. Yeah, this was only gonna happen in my dreams.
Though Steve would have jumped on the grenade for me and started working it with Tanya while I closed the deal with Natasha, I opted for choice C and ordered another round of drinks. Long story short (well, shorter) - Natasha got an SMS and started pushing for a change of venue - namely to Parisian Life. Tanya didn't want to leave, but most of Steve's potential targets had already packed up and left, and I was hoping there might be more available meat waiting for him there. So, we hopped in a taxi and headed over.
The crowd density was about the same as Che, with a few cute girls still left. More drinks, more dancing... Occassionally, the girls were both talking to other guys whom they obviously knew. When we accused them of having boyfriends and duping us, they would promptly shove their tongues down our throats (and in Steve's case, Natasha was even flashing him her pierced pussy). At 5am, it was emptying out, and I asked them if they'd like to continue the party at my place. That's when Tanya told me that she needed to be home in an hour to pick up her 6 year old daughter from babushka, but that she wanted to fuck me later in the week. I then asked Natasha what sort of plans she had, and she said that she would do whatever her sister did. No surprise there - just as I expected. At this point, both Steve and I were blitzed drunk and decided they just weren't worth it. We bailed without bothering to get digits or even say goodbye.
Now, the question... where and when did we go wrong? This had one-night-stand written all over it from the start.
Stravinsky
03-30-09, 21:17
Now, the question... where and when did we go wrong? This had one-night-stand written all over it from the start.Sounds like you ended up in a sub-optimal, non-cooperative Nash equilibrium. Instead of everyone working together for the optimal outcome, to wit: the fuck of the century, each of the players dissipated their energy on their own specific goals, until finally, there was no incentive to play.
I can guarantee you the outcome would have been much different with a wingman who spoke Russian.
But then, armchair mongering is always easier than when you're drunk and horny and Natasha is riding your leg and Tanya has her tongue down your throat. :)
Doctor_Skank
03-30-09, 21:39
Now, the question... where and when did we go wrong? This had one-night-stand written all over it from the start.I think you played it pretty well, but 3 thoughts:
* one of the best times to go home is when changing the venue (just go to apartment instead of actually going to second club). It's gutsy, but it does actually work sometimes, especially if you sell it cheekily.
* with 2 sisters, you were probably doomed from the start. Perhaps giving the one you liked the "now or never, I'm leaving" would have been more effective.
* your wingman had to jump on the grenade. MOH time.
You know this as well as I do, but the ONLY thing that matters is getting back to the apartment. Any excuse or reason to do so is acceptable.
But back to point 2, if she had to pick up her kid (provided the story was true and not some copout) you had virtually no chance. The girls enjoyed the windup and would have almost certainly given you the gratitude fuck later in the week, but you were swimming against the tide for the ONS.
Am jealous anyway, she sounded hot as bricks.
Good analysis, Doc.
Yeah, I could have possibly pulled Tanya for a quick poke at my pad after Che, when her sister was going to Parizhskaya Zhizn. She was clearly not happy about going there, and in the car I could hear her whispering that she might leave Natasha at the club (after I learned about her kid - it makes sense).
Maybe I should have gotten their digits before jamming. But here's why I didn't. Tanya was a great dancer but a poor kisser. Poor kissers usually make poor lovers (at least in my experience). As for the hot younger sister, even when I was speaking with her when we were alone, it wasn't clear she was really interested in me. More like it was a game and she couldn't let her sister win. Had her sister been sitting at home with her kid and she had been out with girlfriends instead, she may have behaved completely differently (that's to say, completely indifferent towards me).
Strav - yes, probably would have had a different dynamic if my wingman spoke Russian. But I'm rarely in that situation, as I don't party often with Russian guys and most of my expat friends speak little/no Russian. Though it's tiring to play translator all the time, it does at least make you feel needed!
Doctor_Skank
03-31-09, 09:35
Maybe I should have gotten their digits before jamming. But here's why I didn't. Tanya was a great dancer but a poor kisser. Poor kissers usually make poor lovers (at least in my experience). As for the hot younger sister, even when I was speaking with her when we were alone, it wasn't clear she was really interested in me. More like it was a game and she couldn't let her sister win. Had her sister been sitting at home with her kid and she had been out with girlfriends instead, she may have behaved completely differently (that's to say, completely indifferent towards me).Could be.
I find that if I get a girl's digits at a club, even if we've had each others tongues down each others throats and hands down each others pants, there is absolutely no guarantee that a second date will even occur. Especially the younger girls (18-20) are often just looking to make out with some guy in the club to complete their club experience, but don't want it to go any farther and often enough are in a troupe of like-minded dev guards who'll make sure she doesn't leave alone. If her group is more than 2 your chances diminish significantly, although on a few occasions I've taken groups as large as 4 back to the apartment to screw one of them while the other three raided the fridge and watched TV.
Digits are easy enough to get and if the second date does happen however, it'll result in sex the vast majority of the time... still I've pursued numerous second dates with cuties that never ended up happening though. Moscow has a way of swallowing girls up.
You might find this funny. For me it is proof once again that being forward is the only way to go.
A while ago I met a 22-year old online and we'd had cocktails at Pyramida and I tried to take her back to my apartment on the first date, but she balked and ran off into the night. So rather than setting up a second date at some neutral location, I told her to meet me in my hotel where I was staying at the time, specifically in the hotel bar at 11.30 pm since I had been working all day and still had some things to do. She agreed and when she arrived I put 2 glasses of Shiraz into her 45kg body, the subject turned to sex and I told her I didn't want to talk about sex since I knew so much more about it than she did and she couldn't teach me anything or tell me anything of interest. Her eyes got big and she apologized for not fucking me on the first date and we went upstairs.
It was pretty funny because there was a guy at the adjacent table struggling to get his girl upstairs with romantic words and she wasn't budging.
although on a few occasions I've taken groups as large as 4 back to the apartment to screw one of them while the other three raided the fridge and watched TV.
This is as impressive as any of your stories, Doc. Hats off.
I told her I didn't want to talk about sex since I knew so much more about it than she did and she couldn't teach me anything or tell me anything of interest. Her eyes got big and she apologized for not fucking me on the first date and we went upstairs.
It was pretty funny because there was a guy at the adjacent table struggling to get his girl upstairs with romantic words and she wasn't budging.
It's amazing how effective the cocky asshole approach can be. But in essence, it's the same reason we're intrigued by girls who play hard-to-get (to a point) while we quickly bore of the easy lay. Part of it is the personal challenge, but there's also something hardwired in all of us - that good things always come at a price.
Doctor_Skank
03-31-09, 19:23
But in essence, it's the same reason we're intrigued by girls who play hard-to-get (to a point) while we quickly bore of the easy lay. Part of it is the personal challenge, but there's also something hardwired in all of us - that good things always come at a price.Right on.
Yeah, the old psychological crutch. If he/she wants me, how great can they be?
Thankfully, sometimes hormones prevail. )
Two beautiful Russian women. I do not speak Russian I wish I did. Why do I get the feeling that it is fake? I do not speak french either. The guy speaks french.
http://www.keezmovies.com/394070
http://www.keezmovies.com/430014
Dr X first girl is Hungarian actually, porn star named Victoria something.
She made numerous porn flick like more than 10 years ago.
Second girl is actually from Ukraine she made few porns under name of Stella and is long gone.
They can be found on EBI.
The guy is Pierre Woodman, french cop turned porn producer and the clips are from his "Casting" series made in 1992-95 or something.
All have the same scenario going like girl comes answering modelling ad, then she dicovers it's actually porn and she don't want to do it. But Pierre convice her to do sex in various way including anal.
It' not real situation but script girls are payed of course.
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Thanks Kurenda you have confirmed my doubts.
Dr X first girl is Hungarian actually, porn star named Victoria something.
She made numerous porn flick like more than 10 years ago.
Second girl is actually from Ukraine she made few porns under name of Stella and is long gone.
They can be found on EBI.
The guy is Pierre Woodman, french cop turned porn producer and the clips are from his "Casting" series made in 1992-95 or something.
All have the same scenario going like girl comes answering modelling ad, then she dicovers it's actually porn and she don't want to do it. But Pierre convice her to do sex in various way including anal.
It' not real situation but script girls are payed of course.
I
Angus Magee
04-13-09, 10:11
The guy is Pierre Woodman, french cop turned porn producer and the clips are from his "Casting" series made in 1992-95 or something.
All have the same scenario going like girl comes answering modelling ad, then she dicovers it's actually porn and she don't want to do it. But Pierre convice her to do sex in various way including anal.
It' not real situation but script girls are payed of course.
I
Woodman fake!!!!
Please say it ain't so Joe.
They can be found on EBI.
First girl is:
http://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/viktoria.html
Don't think the second girl is on EBI, nor did I detect a Ukrainian accent.
I did have a really hard time understanding Pierre's translator (as did the model - you could see the "WTF?" face more than once trying to understand what the hell she's saying).
All have the same scenario going like girl comes answering modelling ad, then she dicovers it's actually porn and she don't want to do it. But Pierre convice her to do sex in various way including anal.
It' not real situation but script girls are payed of course.
I think most are real, in the sense the girls aren't acting. Sure, the "virgins" have probably had sex more than they claimed, but they're real girls who probably haven't done porn before. I love the way Pierre is able to manipulate some really hot amateurs into becoming porn stars. Of course he's greasing the wheels with cash, but it's damn impressive all the same.
Have a copy od DVD with second girl I think it's "Castings #25" or something.
Basically in the clip it leads to conclusion that girl is from St. Petersburg but listening to conversation where Woodman says like "you're from St. Petersburg, I know I payed for your ticket" and later the girl answers something like "I ARRIVED from St. Petersburg" which can mean she took the plane from St. Petersburg but can actually be from any place in FSU.
Also before her segment starts there's a "you can see her in. " and images of 4 films with her.
About the first girl, Victoria from Hungary I've read on some forum that she had a short career in porn, moved to Uk and is now married to a guy in Newcaslte upon Tyne who owns a butcher shop!
In the full movie there is behind the scenes secmeng where Woodman explains the girl what will be done and the girl signs document they are of the full age and doing this by their free will (and for money of course) and Woodman take the picture of the girls face where she holds the passport with data in one hand and newspaper from the day of the filming.
I like Woodman works too minus all those body hair on him.
He made a mistake of marrying a Russian woman, pornstar Tania Russof who later divorced him and the story is she took big money from Woodman and invested in TV station back in her native Lithuania. Or maybe Latvia, I'm not sure but she's from a Baltic state. Woodman is today married with another porn girl but I'm not sure which one. Maybe this one:
http://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/kathy.html
About the first girl, Victoria from Hungary I've read on some forum that she had a short career in porn, moved to Uk and is now married to a guy in Newcaslte upon Tyne who owns a butcher shop!
LOL Kurenda!
Do you think she's taking advice from Evgenia Tymoshenko, perhaps :)
Woodman fake!!!!
Please say it ain't so Joe.
Hey Angus!
What are you doing in here? :)
Gergiev no because this Hungarian girl did it before Evgenia Tymoshenko back in 2002 if the info is correct. Evgenia Tymoshenko married her Britt in 2005 and they are living in Kiev and not in UK.
Angus Magee
04-15-09, 09:11
Hey Angus!
What are you doing in here? :)
Just checking out one of the more interesting threads (other than the Berlin thread of course;-) on the ISG.
Just checking out one of the more interesting threads (other than the Berlin thread of course;-) on the ISG.
Angus, youre far too modest
In fact, your appearance here may yet turn out to be possibly the most serious incursion from Germany into our sovereign Russian space since Matthias Rust flew his Cessna into Red Square in 1987!
What I need to know now is whether the German government had foreknowledge of your intervention here?
And what is the nature of your mission?
Now, let me hazard a guess
scouting for the next Ella or Aida, perhaps? :-)
Angus Magee
04-16-09, 08:51
Angus, youre far too modest
In fact, your appearance here may yet turn out to be possibly the most serious incursion from Germany into our sovereign Russian space since Matthias Rust flew his Cessna into Red Square in 1987!
What I need to know now is whether the German government had foreknowledge of your intervention here?
And what is the nature of your mission?
Now, let me hazard a guess
scouting for the next Ella or Aida, perhaps? :-)
Egads!!! My cover may have been compromised.
I am in fact an international man of mystery and the German government will disavow all knowledge of my identity.
Having tasted, and indeed almost drowned in, the nectar of the Russian women (Ella, Aida et. al.) in that den of iniquity known as Artemis, I find myself drawn to the source with the hope of finding a cure for my cravings.
Perhaps all is indeed lost....
Stravinsky
04-16-09, 14:58
OK, all right, I give up, who the *&%~ is AngusMagee? :)
And what is Artemis? If there is a den of iniquity in Moscow I haven't heard of, then I want to find out about this place.
OK, all right, I give up, who the *&%~ is AngusMagee? :)
And what is Artemis? If there is a den of iniquity in Moscow I haven't heard of, then I want to find out about this place.
Strav, you gotta start posting in the "Berlin" and "FKK Artemis - Berlin" threads - just for grins. :)
Having tasted, and indeed almost drowned in, the nectar of the Russian women (Ella, Aida et. al.) in that den of iniquity known as Artemis, I find myself drawn to the source with the hope of finding a cure for my cravings.
And to think how long it was before you darkened the door of that (Artemis) establishment ...
Talk about the zeal of the convert :-)
Doctor_Skank
05-22-09, 07:40
Well I did get to pop the cherry ass of a 45 kg 19-year old spinner last night, but in her post-coital glee the silly cow posted some pics I took of her a while back on my profile of one of those networking sites and another girl saw them before I could take them down.
So while I am happy about busting the booty of the one girl, now I have to deal with an extremely irate gf going all drama on me. Regrettably, she is one of my favorites and one I actually like a lot. She seems really, really, really, really angry. Probably gonna throw all our lovey-dovey memory shit into the Neva. Hope she doesn't go crazy Ivana on me and carpet-bomb my contacts with vengeful garble.
Am in a bit of a tailspin now, gonna have to fuck my way out of it. )
Fucking transparency of technology. It's a killer.
Well I did get to pop the cherry ass of a 45 kg 19-year old spinner last night, Yikes!!! Congratulations on the conquest but "damn", that does seem like a bit pickle you've ended up in. I have often wondered how long it was going to take me to get caught in my little "webs of sin" I have created for myself in both Moscow and Rio de Janeiro. Reading your story makes my sphincter tighten. I think it's time to start another degree of separation and start changing up usernames and taking more effort to disguise my photos.
Doctor_Skank
05-22-09, 21:18
Yikes!!! Congratulations on the conquest but "damn", that does seem like a bit pickle you've ended up in. I have often wondered how long it was going to take me to get caught in my little "webs of sin" I have created for myself in both Moscow and Rio de Janeiro. Reading your story makes my sphincter tighten. I think it's time to start another degree of separation and start changing up usernames and taking more effort to disguise my photos.Well, it was ugly for awhile but drama does have a way of getting a girls juices flowing and it ended up in the perfect situation. I've got my backdoor out and she's still up for booty calls. C'est la vie... :)
"я понимаю, что я не одна девушка в твоей жизни, но смотреть на других -это слишком больно для меня!! я никогда тебя ни о чем не спрашивала, но эти фотографии...ты сделал мне очень больно...
мне так плохо сейчас, мне так плохо без тебя!!!!!! ты слишком важен для меня!!!
но......я все ещё злюсь на тебя!!!!!!!!! "
She's still angry, but wants to see me again... which only means she's going to bite and scratch the hell out of me when we fuck... :)
It really doesn't hurt to be the jerk now and again as long as you can sweet talk them when they need that. Being only a jerk or only nice will not work.
But still, this damn technology thing is a nightmare. ) Be careful gents!
Stravinsky
08-16-09, 22:17
Reason No. 6
Your Russian girlfriend calls you. She has just found out that you gave another girlfriend a new BMW. She is furious because:
a) she is shocked to discover that you have another girlfriend.
b) she just realized that you have been fucking someone else.
c) she wants a BMW too.
The answer is... C.
Reason No. 6
Your Russian girlfriend calls you. She has just found out that you gave another girlfriend a new BMW. She is furious because:
a) she is shocked to discover that you have another girlfriend.
b) she just realized that you have been fucking someone else.
c) she wants a BMW too.
The answer is... C.
Not any BMW. But a better one. :)
So, I realize this site is for P4P discussions, but I had a question for those more familiar with Russian culture. I'm headed out for a 2 week trip to Moscow and St. Petersburg and will have a Russian colleague accompanying me. Question is: has anyone tried using locals to do the picking up for them at local bars/clubs? Is is successful? I'm talking about the non-expat places where you may find a few students or regular women looking to make a few extra bucks. I'm definitely going to ask my colleague about such places but wanted to know if anyone has done this before.
Two beautiful Russian women. I do not speak Russian I wish I did. Why do I get the feeling that it is fake? I do not speak french either. The guy speaks french.
http://www.keezmovies.com/394070
http://www.keezmovies.com/430014LOL That was tough... (especially the anal in the end, she must have suffered)
I wonder if the situation is real or if it is a scenario, the girl says she does modelling and he convinced her to do porn to get more money.
Passepartout
10-07-09, 21:11
This guy is one of the biggest porno maker, and all his videos are the same: he is making the recruitment himself.
This is why the girls are always models, and he tries to convinces them to work for him for better money. I think that all videos are real as really, he might be the biggest porno maker, so...
I personally do not like such videos as the guy is always insulting the girls in french, treating them really like shit. Disgusting for me. But models usually are of the highest level.
Doctor_Skank
10-07-09, 22:32
This guy is one of the biggest porno maker, and all his videos are the same: he is making the recruitment himself.
This is why the girls are always models, and he tries to convinces them to work for him for better money. I think that all videos are real as really, he might be the biggest porno maker, so...
I personally do not like such videos as the guy is always insulting the girls in french, treating them really like shit. Disgusting for me. But models usually are of the highest level.I like his videos and his way of "disarming" women with personal questions etc. It's a study in sociology.
I don't believe all of the background stories though... for example his "first time girls" who have never touched a cock and then give a professional blowjob.
I've been with several virgins and they almost all require training before they get it right.
the guy is always insulting the girls in french
Not really. I personally find him rather witty and entertaining during his "interviews".
Nonetheless, agree, he uses quite rude words when he fuks ....but isn't it a must-do with russian dyevs ? :)
He is Pierre Woodman and there is a whole series of these called Private Castings.
Not really. I personally find him rather witty and entertaining during his "interviews".
Nonetheless, agree, he uses quite rude words when he fuks ....but isn't it a must-do with russian dyevs ? :)
Prosal, I'm with you on this. Most of my friends would say I'm one of the nicest people they've met. And so it took me most of my adult life to realize that girls really don't want to be treated nice (no matter how often they say that they want to find a nice guy). Nice = boring. And nothing is worse than a man who constantly dotes on a girl. At first she'll be flattered with all the attention, but before you know it, she'll take him for granted, start using him as a doormat, and be looking elsewhere (unless she, too, is boring). The secret is to balance between your desire/respect for her, and keeping her interest level high. And "insults" are one way (when done correctly - and I personally believe that Woodman is THE MAN in this respect) of establishing yourself as a confident and powerful man who's in control of the situation. No matter how independent or beautiful they are, all women NEED to be controlled to a certain degree. Have you seen chickens fuck? It's a pretty violent act. But if you don't get your hens a good, violent fuck now and then, they're not going to produce eggs how you'd like. Women are not much different, even if we're hundreds of millions of years detached. They're still looking for a powerful/able man who can control the situation - and THEM in the bedroom - while still feeling safe. And for me, that means cursing, spanking, hair pulling, and even spitting, light slapping and choking. And guys... they love it. You just need to balance it with the right level of respect and affection or they'll run screaming from your flat.
Hungarian rather than Russian.
Not that it makes any difference in either the discussion on Russian women or in Pierre Woodmans masterful handling of the same.
E.
There already was a talk about this.
The girl in green is hungarian, went by name Viktoria. Before going into porn she already had a career in prostitution so she's hardly a "first timer". Today she's married in England, living in Newcastle upon Tyne and he husband owns a butcher shop! Is he familiar with her previous career - don't know.
Woodman made most of his castings in Hungary and Czech Republic. Actually I remember one of his interview where he stated he never been to Russia but don't know if this is true. And how two hungarian girls sued him in France because he secretly filmed them during casting but as former police officer he was protected by his former work mates. He had to pay big money compensation and left France, today he lives in some tropical island I think. Also interesting to know is that his former wife is Tatiana Russof porn star. She's half russian on her father's side and half latvian on her mother's side. When she divorced Woodman she took lots of his money and opened a chain of hair saloons in Russia under name "IB" with woman Irina Baranova.
About russian girls in porn most of them are at their home country mostly in St. Petersburg which is porn capital of Russia. Russian has big porn production but strict laws about it which doesn't allow export of russian porn movies.
There already was a talk about this.
The girl in green is hungarian, went by name Viktoria. Before going into porn she already had a career in prostitution so she's hardly a "first timer". Today she's married in England, living in Newcastle upon Tyne and he husband owns a butcher shop! Is he familiar with her previous career - don't know.
Diverging from the Russian women thread but your story of Viktoria rings a bell. I knew a Hungarian SP working for an escort site in Budapest (well actually knew quite a few of them, and it is still operating :-). Spent a great overnight with her, and she was very partial to Doggie. She flew off the next week to marry an English guy in the UK who she had met as an Escort customer. A lot of the Hungarian SP girls flew over for the wedding, hopefully it worked out OK. Didnt attend myself but it must have been a great Wedding party for the new English relatives.
Diverging from the Russian women thread but your story of Viktoria rings a bell. I knew a Hungarian SP working for an escort site in Budapest (well actually knew quite a few of them, and it is still operating :-). Spent a great overnight with her, and she was very partial to Doggie. She flew off the next week to marry an English guy in the UK who she had met as an Escort customer. A lot of the Hungarian SP girls flew over for the wedding, hopefully it worked out OK. Didnt attend myself but it must have been a great Wedding party for the new English relatives.
Great story, Excess...
DJ FourMoney
10-23-09, 11:03
So, I realize this site is for P4P discussions, but I had a question for those more familiar with Russian culture. I'm headed out for a 2 week trip to Moscow and St. Petersburg and will have a Russian colleague accompanying me. Question is: has anyone tried using locals to do the picking up for them at local bars/clubs? Is is successful? I'm talking about the non-expat places where you may find a few students or regular women looking to make a few extra bucks. I'm definitely going to ask my colleague about such places but wanted to know if anyone has done this before.
It may be too late but I'll reply anyway...
Do you speak Russian? Away from Expat establishments and no Russian might make it harder for you, even if you have somebody that speaks Russian with you, having a "Wingman" can either work for you or against you.
You find "part-timers" in regular haunts, not just expat places.
He is Pierre Woodman and there is a whole series of these called Private Castings.Woodman recently launched his own website woodmancastingx with all his old and NEW castings... +1000 and more.
Explorer69
12-08-09, 12:51
I do not know in which thread to place this, but here it comes. Before you start reading I will give the following background:
Before summer and before going at that time to St Petersburg I communicated with several girls/women on Mamba. This one was 32 and I suspected that she was a pro, but I was quite uncertain. We exchanged some messages, but then she said I was too old for her, so I thought she was not a pro after all.
She then suddenly contacted me again on November 10 and wanted to communicate, which we did for a few days. I will emphasize that during our talk I NEVER indicated that I wanted a longterm serious relationship or marriage, she actually offered me that!
Maybe somebody wants a wife? She looks for husband!
I think the talk is selfexplanatory! I just call her "Her".
Her: 10 November 2009 at 14:03
"hello! How are you? Why you are again to come here? I glad to see you here! Let comunication"!
I asked why change when she did not want to communicate earlier?
Her: 10 November 2009 at 14:08
"I am so sorry, before I have many contact here and of cours I don't was ready to spoke with you long time. Sorry but now I have very interesting life and I ready to speak with you"!
Me: 10 November 2009 at 14:21
"in your profile you say that you look for sponsor"!
You also say that you look for men age 25-30, so maybe I am wrong for you"?
Her: 10 November 2009 at 14:24
"before I was can to say this but now I chanch my look on life".
I asked her what she was looking for: fun, money, etc.
Her: 10 November 2009 at 14:33
"I look for husbend! I consider that from me the good wife because I was the prostitute will turn out, and I know that is necessary for the man. Certainly I am not able to cook food, but it can be corrected, for you this problem"?
We continue to talk and I ask her about her work.
Her: 10 November at 15:17
"Now I leave prostitution because feel full up from this life"
Her: 10 November 2009 at 15:23: "I studied as the designer, now I am pregnant from the client which ugly creature! When we will meet you can accept my child? I was engaged in prostitution long time".
I asked why she did not take abortion?
Her: 10 November 2009 at 15:27
"You consider what correctly to make abortion"?
Me: Yes!
Her: 10 November 2009 at 15:29
"! You have sharply fallen in my opinion".
I asked how this happened, did she not use condom?
Her: 10 November 2009 at 15:34
"At me now 3 months. Well as you could suggest to make to me abortion, I thought that you the especial man. But you as all men and I am shoked! You are! How did you can to think about this"?
I again asked how this happened
Her: 10 November 2009 at 15:43
"It has happened as usually, I have arrived on a call to a sauna, I often there go, I should serve 5 men for 2 hours, and so, I was fucked by 3 men simultaneously, and one of them has terminated in me inside"
I asked how she looked upon men?
Her: 10 November 2009 at 16:00
"every woman to dream about High growth and I am too. I consider men of all identical, they often lie. Also it is the truth, they often have several women, and speak: "at me only you one" are possible somewhere subconsciously I do not trust also to you. Concerning girls. I am assured that you communicate and with other girls and give them promises. I look at this life really, without pink glasses. Certainly my relation now to men rigid because I know their essence. As had sex probably approximately in my life of 2000 persons and communicated with them. Certainly at each man the truth, but they as a matter of fact all dogs. The woman for them only means to satisfy their lust no more".
I asked her if she had pleasure from sex sometimes?
Her: 10 November 2009 at 16:18
"Pleasure from sex? No. It is excluded, I do not look at the man already as on the man. I any more do not see its high qualities. I see simply a body. And all. I did not test for a long time already orgasm".
Her: 10 November 2009 at 16:22
"boyfriend I had few day ago. But I don't love his. And orgasm I don't felt may be 1 year".
Her: 10 November 2009 at 16:31
"he love me but I tired from his love. Of cours it gave me expensive gifts, and beautifully looked after me, but I do not love it, I simply tired to give the body to men without feelings".
I asked her if she worked as a prostitute when she had a boyfriend who supported her?
Her: 10 November 2009 at 16:38
"support in how sense material or moral? Yes I did. I worked. Becous it is my habits"
Her: 10 November 2009 at 16:58
"I suspect that I am interesting to you only as as a novelty in yours in a daily life, is simple as a modern history for you. It is pleasant to you unusual. I have understood it. And I for you only a riddle which you wish to solve. No more. Therefore I will better stop with you dialogue in general. I do not wish to spend time is useless. You do not take offence at me. But I search for the man serious which can understand me with all my lacks. Any more do not write to me please. Otherwise I will ignore. With the best regards".
However, she came back and started to chat again 2 days later. We talked about different things, she told me she still worked a sprostitute, she asked me when I had sex last, I told her it was yesterday.
Her: 12 November 2009 at 10:06
"Interestingly as! And how many years to the girl? Yes I have now sex, pregnancy to me does not stir. There is no I not for money fucked. Simply so".
The funny thing is that she don't only had sex for money, more out of habit?
Her: 12 November 2009 at 10: 15
"Yes I had sex not for money. I liked which guy I did not meet before earlier. We with it had sex. Certainly I have not terminated, but to me it was pleasant".
We talked more about sex and what we like in sex
Her 12 November 2009 at 10: 25
"And what you love in sex most of all? Probably to lick? I very much like to fuck in an ass".
I asked if she loved anal sex?
Answer: "When I worked as prostitute, two men fucked me simultaneously in my pussy"
I asked if it was not painful to have 2 dicks in her pussy?
Answer: "No, this not painful, I like feel dick in my pussy. Tell to me at what you size of dick? I like very much to suck very deep in throat and lick balls! Such we can to trey when you arrive in St peter".
I told her my dick was "normal" sized, but did she want it big?
Her 12 November 2009 at 10: 40
"no I don't like bigger dick I like normal size about 17 smtr"
We discussed more what she likes in sex!
Her 12 November 2009 at 11:12
"More I love anal sex and also I like a shower of gold you sometime tried it? And also I like to fuck a cancer".
I never got explanation what it is to fuck a cancer?
Her: 12 November 2009 at 11:14
"It is pleasant to me when the man to me licks a lips pussy, it is pleasant to me when it uses the vibrator.
We discussed use of vibrators.
Her: 12 November 2009 at 11:25
"I like to use both and my pussy and in my ass".
Her: 12 November 2009 at 11:33
"yes I use 2 vibrators at the same time"!
She then told me she had sex first time in her life at the age of 11 with her father!
Her: 12 November 2009 at 11:52
"no I had my first time with my dad, I like it"
She then told that the first time she had sex with somebody else was at 15, and she has been working as a prostitute since she was 16, now she is 32!
Her: 12 November 2009 at 12:05
"yes I workied 16 years this my real age. But now I stoped this work and sometimes I come back on it becous it already habits and this easy money".
Her: 12 November 2009 at 12:14
"that very easy way for money for girls, yes may be 2000 men may be more I don't remember".
She asked me how many girls I had fucked?
Her: 12 November 2009 at 12:22
I think only for sex I can will bee good wife not more, you did had about 500-1000? Do you like so much I see to fuck? You are really man. And all girls young"?
Our discussion continued.
Her 12 November 2009 at 12:38
"I do not like condoms, therefore I had such infections as a gonorrhea earlier, the syphilis is a lot of infections, but now I am engaged exclusively in a condom. But I do oral sex without".
Her: 12 November 2009 at 12:46
"no I don't like to get sperm in my mouth becous at me an emetic reflex and I do not love taste of sperm"
I told her that I may be interested in meeting her, but only for a short meeting!
Her: 12 November 2009 at 13:37
"I do not wish to be disposable at you"
Her: 12 November 2009 at 13:40
"may be you want only short the meet but I am not"
Her: 12 November 2009 at 13:44
"Why you as all men? All want only short appointment and all? You have disappointed me. I wish to be the wife, instead of the mistress for some days, understand that I want"?
Her: 12 November 2009 at 14:16
"Well I have understood all, thanks for dialogue, I have made the choice, I any more do not wish to be your wife. And the mistress. Because you I type of the man, I always know at once that I want, and you fly in clouds, I am not assured that after our first meeting you will visit again me, you simply wish to pass away the free time in Peter, no more. And I will be at you the next trophy in yours to a trip, I do not want. Better we now will stop our dialogue not to hurt each other, I wish your of good luck".
Then she sent me the following message 2 days later
Her: 14 November 2009 at 09:15
"You as all men,, A fool, Everyone want your money, instead of you. At us in Peter everyone look at men as on a purse no more. Don't belive anybody".
THE END OF CONTACT!
Stravinsky
12-09-09, 20:42
"well i have understood all, thanks for dialogue, i have made the choice, i any more do not wish to be your wife. well... i for one am very disappointed! i thought you two would get married and live happily ever after. :(
quite a story: raped by her father at 15 and spent the rest of her life working as a prostitute. thanks for sharing.
cancer is the sign of the crab. the crab moves sideways. the guys on sextalk refer to fucking sideways, like a crab. i don't know for sure, but i think this refers to a position where the woman lays on her side, lifts her leg in the air and the man approaches her straight on, with her raised leg over his shoulder. just my guess.
Freebie Sevman
12-09-09, 22:04
Or if no, anyone else can answer?
I do a fair amount of copy (Russian) and paste (into google translate).
And it comes out so bad.
OH, I see why. 'the text! It does not have spaces. They just keep typing right along. Why do they (Russian speakers) do this? I see it all the time!
Do you understand my question? It is some kind of 'logic' reason?
Doctor_Skank
12-09-09, 22:45
Expolorer69, pretty funny story.
What a princess that one... :)
And to believe there are still some guys out there who fall in love with prostitutes... should be required reading for them!
Explorer69
12-10-09, 08:18
well... i for one am very disappointed! i thought you two would get married and live happily ever after. :(
quite a story: raped by her father at 15 and spent the rest of her life working as a prostitute. thanks for sharing.
cancer is the sign of the crab. the crab moves sideways. the guys on sextalk refer to fucking sideways, like a crab. i don't know for sure, but i think this refers to a position where the woman lays on her side, lifts her leg in the air and the man approaches her straight on, with her raised leg over his shoulder. just my guess.she was actually raped by father at 11, had first sex in addition to father at 15, started as prostitute at 16!
Stravinsky
12-10-09, 18:14
They just keep typing right along. Why do they (Russian speakers) do this? I see it all the time!It seems to me this is just SOP for texting, everywhere. If you think Russians are bad, you should see how American teenageers are re-creating the English language with their cell phones!
If you speak Russian, then it's no problem to parse out the words. If you don't, then it will just look like gobbledegook. Moral of the story? Learn how to speak Russian.
BTW - I am not a native Russian speaker, just an avid dilettante. After 10 years of study, I am at the beginning-intermediate level. I figure I should be able to master the language by the time I die. :)
As they say in Russia, "All your life you live, all your life you learn, and you die a fool."
TY
GB
Passepartout
12-10-09, 20:16
A maitresse of mine since 2 years, who is a "dancer" in Bordo, asked me to marry her.
She was pretty serious, during 2 hours she told me all the good things she will do for me. Now she has stopped working in Bordo because she wants to be married and need to be "like a virgin".
amazing story :-)
I have to admit that I was thinking of it a whole night as she is young and amazingly pretty (like all girls in Bordo) :-)
A maitresse of mine since 2 years, who is a "dancer" in Bordo, asked me to marry her.
She was pretty serious, during 2 hours she told me all the good things she will do for me. Now she has stopped working in Bordo because she wants to be married and need to be "like a virgin".
amazing story :-)
I have to admit that I was thinking of it a whole night as she is young and amazingly pretty (like all girls in Bordo) :-)I heard a rumour that Bordo was closing at the end of the year. Anyone know if it is true?
Evil Kayak
12-18-09, 21:21
I dated a Russian chick in US a few years ago. She was out of a visa and soon to be illegal and taught she could try to get a Greencard out of me but I told her right away that I was not the man to do that. She cried and accepted her fate.
I helped her find a job and a place to live as her current situation wasn't good. She treated me like her everything and took care of me well. She'd cook for me, clean for me and even let me stay at her place as long as I wanted, without charging me rent. I took care of her aswell by taking her with me to college and having her sit through classes, showing her around life in US, having her try experiences,etc. those were probably one of the best times of my life.
she told me she'd fuck me if i ever visited her back in russia. problem is, she's never been back to russia. haha. anyways, she's one of the sweetest gals ever. i havent had similar experiences with rest of the russians but depending on if you'r efrom ukrain, or belaruise, or whever, u'd find different personalities. Chicks from belaruse are like jews. they're only looking out for them selves. russian chicks on the other hand, will take care of you. they may leave you, but while they're with you, they'll take care of you.
Doctor_Skank
02-06-10, 12:46
Here's a challenge:
Super hot, extremely popular chick you've already fucked.
Had a great vibe going.
She goes silent.
Doesn't answer 90% of your messages and cancelled a date (although excused), i.e. doesn't show you respect.
Lives in a city where you can only meet her once every 6 weeks or so.
At this point there are several acceptable options to end it, BUT... you still want to fuck her again, so you can't cut off all ties.
Options?
Chasing her likely only makes you weaker in her eyes.
Calling her out on it/chastising her probably ends things forever.
Going silent has the same effect.
Maybe the only option is a write off?
I think the only real option is to somehow make her come back to you... therein lies the challenge.
Ideas? Thoughts?
Stravinsky
02-06-10, 17:23
Well, one thing is clear... it's either about something you did, or something you didn't do.
Life in a small out-of-the-way city in Russia can be tough and women can get into a lot of strange situations just trying to survive. The advantages of living in modern Russia, post Soviet Union, decrease exponentially with your distance from Red Square. Once you get beyond the MKAD, modern Russia is still pretty much indistinguishable from it's Soviet predecessor.
Men tend to think that it's all about me (myself in particular :) ), but the fact that she doesn't answer your messages and cancels dates is not necessarily lack of respect. When a woman disappears like that, most likely something significant has happened in her life, and it may not have anything to do with you.
You're right, berating her will not help, nor will the silent treatment. Probably the best thing to do is to write her off.
However... if you are still lusting after the thrill of sliding off her troosiki, then you have to take your relationship to the next step and become her friend. Stay in touch, let her know that you are still around and that you are not going anywhere. The next time you are in her city, find her and confront her about what happened. She may not be proud of what happened to her and she may not want to talk about it, but the more determined you are, the more she will believe in your sincerity. There's no predicting what will happen, but I think that's your only way to bring her back. Patience will help you more than anything else.
Unless, of course, this really is about something you did, in which case you need to 'fess up and give us all the juicy details! ;)
Chasing her likely only makes you weaker in her eyes.
Calling her out on it/chastising her probably ends things forever.
Going silent has the same effect.
Maybe the only option is a write off?
I think the only real option is to somehow make her come back to you... therein lies the challenge.
Ideas? Thoughts?
Need more details, but here goes...
Definitely do not chase her. Same goes for whining to her about her bad behaviour. Both will make you look weak. I know, because I've made the same mistake myself, and more than once.
Best is to make her jealous, but not in an obvious way. Russian girls are ridiculously competitive - so much so that they'll even compete for guys whom they don't really want. If you have any common acquaintances, you could tell them that your girl in question isn't that interesting to you anymore - not smart enough, not classy enough, etc - and you're looking to upgrade.
Going silent may not be such a bad ploy either. I'd suggest calling her to chat a bit, let her know that you'll be in town the following week, and that you're interested in meeting up. You'll be busy with business dinners (which many girls here interpret as being dates with other girls), and will need to call her back once your schedule solidifies to settle on an exact date. Then, don't call. She'll either have written you off, or (hopefully) you might have regained some of her interest. Either way, doesn't sound like you have much to lose.
Doctor_Skank
02-06-10, 22:34
Definitely do not chase her. Same goes for whining to her about her bad behaviour. Both will make you look weak. I know, because I've made the same mistake myself, and more than once.
Best is to make her jealous, but not in an obvious way. Russian girls are ridiculously competitive - so much so that they'll even compete for guys whom they don't really want.
Going silent may not be such a bad ploy either.
Either way, doesn't sound like you have much to lose.Well she's been getting the silent treatment, I've been able to restrain myself from calling her out on lack of culture etc., which of course she would neither understand nor respect.
Funny thing is, originally she picked ME up. Introduced herself to me at a party, suggested we go get a bite to eat.. at midnight.
We fucked a couple of times in November and December last year, but she kind of blew me off... although politely... in January, and has more or less gone silent since then.
Anyway, maybe something did happen to her:
* got bored with long-distance once-a-month meeting
* found somebody else
* just wasn't that much into me
But I'll follow your advice... contact her when I have a chance to meet her personally and see how things go. Until then, silent but try to pop up in her reality every once and awhile and hopefully get noticed in a positive way. ))
Men tend to think that it's all about me (myself in particular :) ), but the fact that she doesn't answer your messages and cancels dates is not necessarily lack of respect. When a woman disappears like that, most likely something significant has happened in her life, and it may not have anything to do with you.
You're right, berating her will not help, nor will the silent treatment. Probably the best thing to do is to write her off.
...then you have to take your relationship to the next step and become her friend. Stay in touch, let her know that you are still around and that you are not going anywhere. The next time you are in her city, find her and confront her about what happened. She may not be proud of what happened to her and she may not want to talk about it, but the more determined you are, the more she will believe in your sincerity. There's no predicting what will happen, but I think that's your only way to bring her back. Patience will help you more than anything else.I agree with the premise that the whole thing may have been beyond my control anyway, but I disagree with the friendship ploy. It has never worked for me.
I don't think it was specifically something I did or didn't do, but that is still a possibility... although she was cordial and flirty at times in her messages since we last met before going silent, so I doubt it was something directly related to my behavior.
I'd prefer giving her the silent treatment until I have a chance to put my hand on her ass. )
Rubber Nursey
02-07-10, 06:22
Here's a challenge:
Super hot, extremely popular chick you've already fucked.
Had a great vibe going.
She goes silent.
Doesn't answer 90% of your messages and cancelled a date (although excused), i.e. doesn't show you respect....etc
Hi, Doc. Hope you don't mind me butting in.
And sorry if this sounds a bit brutal: I suggest you re-read your original post as if it were a female friend talking to you about a guy she likes. She's been sleeping with him for a while, thinks it's all going great and then suddenly he just drops out of her life. She really wants to get him back, but he won't even answer her calls. What advice would you give her? How would you explain her man's behaviour? More importantly...what would you recommend she do about it?
Doctor_Skank
02-07-10, 06:56
Hi, Doc. Hope you don't mind me butting in.
And sorry if this sounds a bit brutal: I suggest you re-read your original post as if it were a female friend talking to you about a guy she likes. She's been sleeping with him for a while, thinks it's all going great and then suddenly he just drops out of her life. She really wants to get him back, but he won't even answer her calls. What advice would you give her? How would you explain her man's behaviour? More importantly...what would you recommend she do about it?I'd advise her to write it off and tell her he's got another girl or simply isn't interested anymore and that at this point, there is nothing she can do but wait it out and see if he comes back and when he does, decide if he is worth taking back. In any case, whatever "magic" was originally there is gone forever.
I've understood this already in my case as well, essentially it is a write off under any normal circumstances, however I still want to preserve any chances I have and still get in her pants down the road. I don't expect things to be wonderfully romantic again, which my relationship with her was for only a short while. For a few weeks I was genuinely smitten.
Although similar (boy-girl vs. girl-boy) I do think there are differences however.
For example I am actually a little happy things went as they did, as now I don't have to worry about how to initiate the inevitable end. It's already been done.
Could also very well be that she simply recognizes the situation for what it actually is... me just using her for entertainment and sex... and decided she doesn't need me for that.
Nonetheless I'd be perfectly happy if we were fuck buddies, trading some entertainment and chit-chat for sex and passion. I have several of these arrangements already and for the most part, they function just fine, in some cases for years.
On a side night, I have this Russian prostitute friend with whom I chat about all subjects. She is one of the extremely rare cases where I meet a pro more than once... we meet every couple of months. Great sex and interesting company, even if we argue a bit sometimes. In any case, we didn't specifically talk about this case, but she claimed I was a user (she used the drug addict term)... a user of women, it was "written all over me". She had no problem with that per se, but said (and this makes sense in the Russian context) that I was far too mild to do this effectively. In her opinion, life in Russia was brutal in every way, even if on the surface things have gotten milder, and that Russians are culturally taught that brutality is life, mastering it is strength.
This isn't the first time that a Russian girl has told me to be more firm in my relations with other girls.
Of course I already know this, and I am by no means overly mild or emotional, nonetheless it is interesting to hear from girls themselves on how I come across. Sometimes it is absolutely flattering, sometimes it is brutally candid.
And you are always welcome to butt in RN... even with brutal candor.
Rubber Nursey
02-07-10, 10:10
Although similar (boy-girl vs. girl-boy) I do think there are differences however.
There are subtle difference between genders and in this case, between cultures, but I think some things are universal - like fear of rejection, fear of humiliation, and the inability to deal with breakups like responsible adults. :)
Just like men, some women choose to run away when faced with the idea of confrontation. I've been guilty of taking the "Just ignore him and he'll eventually go away" approach myself and I've also had it done to me countless times by men. It's a cruel, immature, crap way of dealing with a breakup, but it's unfortunately pretty common.
There's also another angle to that, especially in your particular case, which isn't intentionally callous or disrespectful. She may have underestimated your emotional investment and figured you wouldn't expect (or want?) an explanation on why she's ending it. That is, she may have wanted to call you up and talk things through with you, but was afraid to look 'weak' or clingy for viewing the relationship as something more than you did. I remember, many years ago, gathering all my strength to tell a longish-term sexual parter that I wanted to end it, only to have him shrug and sneer and tell me we didn't "have something" to end... and basically that I was a silly little girl for thinking it was anything more than just sex. He later apologised and admitted it was just a self-defence mechanism, but it really hurt at the time and it influenced the way I dealt with breakups for a long time after.
Anyway, what's done is done and for whatever reason, she's chosen to walk away. What can you do to stay in her good books for potential future fun times? My 'female perspective' advice would be to send her a text message saying you're really sorry to see her disappear from your life, but that you get the picture and respect her wishes and won't hassle her any more. Tell her to give you a shout if she ever wants to catch up in the future ("in the future" is important) and thank her for the time you had together ("thank you" is also important). Then DON'T MESSAGE HER AGAIN. Leave the ball in her court. If she never calls back, there's not much you can do about it. Move on. But she may just change her mind if you make it feel like it's HER decision. Also, if you keep chasing her she might think you're too in love, in lust, desperate, etc and start thinking it's too risky to call on you for no-strings fun.
Mind you, that advice comes with a warning. Two warnings actually, but both are related. One is that if you come crawling back into her bed in the future, even after she treated you so badly, she's likely to see you as weak and easily manipulated. The other is that if she later decides to 'grant you access' to her body, it will be solely on HER terms and the power dynamic of your relationship will shift significantly. Only you can decide if that's a price worth paying.
Sorry to ramble, but your problem happens to mirror a situation that's been happening in my own life for the past few years (that's why I couldn't resist sticking my nose in when I saw your post). I certainly hope your situation doesn't drag on and drive you crazy for as long as mine has! Best of luck. x
I remember, many years ago, gathering all my strength to tell a longish-term sexual parter that I wanted to end it, only to have him shrug and sneer and tell me we didn't "have something" to end... and basically that I was a silly little girl for thinking it was anything more than just sex. He later apologised and admitted it was just a self-defence mechanism, but it really hurt at the time and it influenced the way I dealt with breakups for a long time after.
Funny enough, I had a girlfriend here in Moscow do the exact same thing to me just a few months ago. Big difference is that I got no apology, just insistence (with a lot of resistance from me) that we stay friends. As it's turned out, she's tried to milk whatever she can from me - dinners, drinks, male attention, emotional support, status - without offering anything but her "friendship" in return. I'm beginning to think like Skank on this one... it's difficult if not impossible to stay friends with a former lover. Best to part ways and never look back.
BTW, really nice to see a female perspective in this forum! :)
Rubber Nursey
02-07-10, 11:29
Big difference is that I got no apology...
I should probably have added that the apology came LOOOOONG after the breakup. YEARS later, when we ran into each other by accident via a mutual friend.
Your situation is exactly what I was warning the Doc about: when the balance of power shifts, one party (the one in love/lust, who didn't want the relationship to end in the first place) is often taken advantage of. They only have two choices...hang around on the sidelines and put up with whatever is thrown at them, or get dumped completely. Either way, they lose. And yeah, this shitty tactic is routinely employed by BOTH genders.
Good luck with your situation, as well! And thanks for the compliment. :) x
Doctor_Skank
02-07-10, 16:22
RN, Pizdyets and Strav,
Thanks for your advice!
I'm writing her off. If our paths cross again someday which they probably will since we do circulate in the same professional circles, I'll deal with it then.
She gets no "let's be friends" or whatever message, nothing. She can contact me if she wants, but I suspect she won't. In any case, as mentioned before the dynamic is out of the mix and I really believe that if there was a good vibe and it ended for whatever reason, it is virtually impossible to go back.
Really a shame, as not only was she smoking hot, she did make a very good impression on me as a person as well. No hard feelings (beyond the hurt that always comes with being ignored or brushed aside) as I don't know what her reason was.
Moving on to new things... )
I'm writing her off. If our paths cross again someday which they probably will since we do circulate in the same professional circles, I'll deal with it then.
Skank,
Sorry to be late to the party, but I certainly agree with your choice of action plan. Sometimes silence is the best way to deal with an awkward situation. With the attempts you have made there cannot be any confusion about your desire to re-connect. If she has continued to rebuff this far, there is probably a reason. Since (as you state) you still move in the same professional circles, you are both in a way friends if not colleagues so there is always a possibility of reconnecting in the future. Pursuing a friendship at this point will just confuse the issue leading to more awkwardness and amount to a big waste of your time.
Don't discount the possibility (as RN suggests) of a reconciliation down the road. I too have had that happen after the passage of years. We had an awkward situation that we reflected upon years later, had a good laugh, and ended up in the sack. But it was only after we were both able to put some distance between ourselves and (more importantly) the situation in general that was going on in both our lives at that time. It's quite possible that it's not "you" and it's not "her" but the situation that happens to exist at the moment. If the chemistry that you once had is not enough to overcome that set of current circumstances then......... well, it's just not enough is it?
To badly paraphrase Sun Tzu, "retreat and live to fuck another day".
:)
Doctor_Skank
02-16-10, 22:13
I'm not exactly on a roll with chicks lately.
Here is another case. Curious about your opinions.
Do you think it makes any sense to "try and make up" with a girl that told you she never wants to see or hear from you again?
I'll keep the story short.
I remet a girl I've already slept with, called girl A. We have something really special going spiritually, sexually, intellectually. One of those rare creatures that pushes every button you have on your body. She did it for me in every way and apparently, she was genuinely interested in me.
Being an ass however, I wasn't satisified with just her.... at least not when I had invited another very cute girl to stay with me.
So the night after sleeping with girl A, girl B arrives into town and I lie to girl A about going out with business partners on Friday night and instead girl B and I are going clubbing and she is staying over.
Of course, girl A sees me with girl B who is dolled up to the max. I get an SMS "so what kind of business do you have with a girl at 11:41 pm?". I answer about being out in a group going to a club and she doesn't reply.
The next day, I send girl B away. She's very cute and looks super sexy, but doesn't do it for me intellectually at all and despite passionate bed manners, doesn't have the kind of voracious sexual appetite I have, which girl A has and demands, who is a volcano.
Girl A is still pissed, but somehow after a couple hours of effort, I convince her to meet Saturday night. She agrees and after talking on the phone and exchanging SMSs over the course of the evening, we finally meet at 3am or so. Unfortunately I am a bottle and a half of vodka roaring drunk and she's stone cold sober.
We fight, yell. She probably slapped me. Security told me to leave the place, I told them to give me time with my girl. They leave us alone when she tells them it is ok. Her friends leave.
We argue near the WCs, on the stairs, at the bar.
She leaves the club. I chase her onto the street, we yell and fight. Finally, she runs off into the night and I stumble back into the club and back to the bar.
5 minutes later she comes back for me and literally grabbing me, drags me out, worried that I am going to get myself killed being drunk in a bar full of strangers.
We go home in a taxi, after getting back to my apartment we argue but in softer tones. Kind truthful words are spoken from me. Mean yet appropriate words are spoken from her. Hurt hangs in the air. I've wronged her and I know it, and it wasn't just about the other girl. She felt that I had betrayed what we had begun and after hanging on my words, now feared they were meaningless. (I didn't use the L word or say any future plans, just made some compliments that touched her. She also claimed to be happy being a lover, but a special one)
At some point there is nothing left to say and I pass out.
Finally waking in the morning, she asks " are you ok?".
"Yeah" I say.
"Do you remember what you said last night?" she says with sad puppy dog eyes, refering to the kind words I spoke to her.
"Yeah, I remember" I say.
"Well never forget them and never contact me again". She says and storms out.
We haven't spoken since. Is there any point?
I want her to know what I said was true, but somehow think that won't make things better at all.
I know sometimes girls like to be chased or enjoy the drama, but she seemed genuinely fed up and hurt.
Do you think it makes any sense to "try and make up" with a girl that told you she never wants to see or hear from you again?
Skank,
First let me say that it does my heart good to know that EVEN YOU can have an off streak. Thanks for "keep'in it real".
To answer your question - there is little good that can come from you appearing to chase her. You are a dog. You know it. I know it. And she knows it. Just let it be for a while. A period of remorse will set in and you can re-engage once she gets perspective on the matter. Good guys are hard to find. Despite your tendency to wh*re around [a trait I recognize and admire, I might add ;)] you are basically a decent guy who treats girls well (ie. no beating, practices good hygiene and actually has a job which pays money) so once she meets a few guys who exhibit none of these traits, I suspect her receptivity towards you will return. But during this period, you need to let her bask in the glory of her own indignity. Let feel she has won. Let her enjoy having "cast you out" for a while and reinforce her sense of dignity. She will tell her girl friends all about how you cheated on her and they in turn will probably tell her she was crazy to have treated you that way and that she should try to get you back. Of course that would NEVER happen with American girls, but with Russian girls...... well, you know.
Deep down, you know what I am saying is true. Give her some time and then circle back with a gesture of contrition. Maybe a green beer on Saint Paddy's day. Who knows? Before you know it, you will be sweet talking her back into your bed.
Doc, no suggest from me, but thanks for sharing your truly pieces of real life....
I would pay to live such situations with girls in my home town.....
I have to comeback to Russia ASAP !
Oh yeah ! :D
Stravinsky
02-17-10, 16:40
Doc,
First, thanks for letting us kibitz on your love life. I'm sure we would all like to have your problems. Some of us would probably be willing to pay to have your problems.
But, as we all know, you don't have any problem. This girl obviously has some genuine affection for you, otherwise she would not have rescued you from the bar and then waited patiently to make sure that you were safe and sober, before dumping you.
However, after your excellent imitation of a horse's ass, you must do penance. I should think 50 "Hail Mary"s and 60 "Our Father"s would be sufficient. :) After she's had a chance to cool off, I'm sure she will start missing you again and you can reconnect. You would know best how to do that.
The only advice I can give you is lay off the booze for a while, at least until you can get back into her good graces. Nothing is more flattering to a woman than to believe that a man is willing to change. Just for her. The fact that you are actually willing to stay sober long enough to make up with her could be just what she needs to believe in your sincerity.
Bez Bezarra
02-18-10, 13:06
doctoring ain't no science, its an art, that is practiced.
but don't forget the studying of all the science we did to get there.
your problem is the same as the rest of us, you are over-thinking it with the big head. we are by nature, dogs that fuck any hole, even a knot in a tree. its in our dna, we are all rotten to the core, un-faithful, wanna-be alpha bulls and bears protecting our own dominance over our pack of breeding females. a few thousand years of society's behavior modification can't undo millions of years of evolution. don't listen to me, listen to your primal instincts, you big fucking ape! (that's a compliment, by the way.) release the wild side!!
would a kingly lion or a proud stallion worry about which of his females he can connect with on an intellectual level?? please! grow down! get back to your animal genes, mark the corner of your apartment building with your scent, scratch your hide against a tree. stick your head out the window tonight and bay at the moon. grunt for a day without speaking. that will clear your head, and show you the way.
you just let your guard down, a slav's truest weakness, inside a bottle of fermented potato juice.
next time, if there is one, you need to pour a bottle, or two, into her, drag her up the stairs by the hair, and fuck her into unconsciousness, then ask her after she passes out and wakes up, if she can walk without walking funny.
when i'm right, i'm right. all you pussies that disagree can go wank it.
well, don't be offended by my over-macho-isms. there are lessons to be learned here. don't fuck with science, or evolution. that's when things go bad. we all need to be reminded once in a while, how we got here. its always best to honor our ancestors, even if they were really bad [CodeWord130] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord130) motherfuckers, mother-in-lawfuckers, sisterfuckers, daughterfuckers, or whatever horrible knuckle-scraping shit they did. we owe our fucking existence to them, so don't them let down. now shut up and go fuck your sister! all right, all right, fuck your sister's best friend, does that make you feel better?
this ain't the international feelings guide!
its time to put your donzhuansky spisok in order, doctor, or take down your shingle.
Doctor_Skank
02-20-10, 18:09
Doctoring ain't no science, its an art, that is practiced.
But don't forget the studying of all the science we did to get there.
Your problem is the same as the rest of us, you are over-thinking it with the big head. We are by nature, dogs that fuck any hole, even a knot in a tree. Mongga pleez!
My experiments in being Mr.Sensibility always fail, so I guess I am just better at being that ape you mentioned.
A third love triangle seems to have imploded on me last weekend, but I did get some great fucking in before it collapsed.
Fuckville, here I cum!
Clement Mic
03-03-10, 21:07
I have realized that its not in two days that the girl will want you in bed.
Especially because those students girls are scared of men playing with them.
And you the foreign with big money in the pocket, make it obvious that you only want her pussy.
It is difficult for me, because I don't have patience, and it makes me stressed a lot talking with those freebies, I feel like a waste of time, because at the end, all I want is sex, not all the blah blah.
And I am scared in getting on something serious, because a romantic girl want you 10x times more, everything from you, your time your money everything.
And when you play with a lot of girls in the same time, it is obvious that you have to keep a certain distance from every of these girls, but how?
But how long should I communicate with a girl, before I can start talking about sex?
Regards
Passepartout
03-08-10, 16:28
Following my 2 years experience of Moscow, i can say that you got basically 2 kind of girls:
- the one who wants love, children and a datcha: it will be difficult, if not impossible, to keep distance with her and have free time for other girls
- the one who already had a children, knows what is a man, and have very few spare time to share: these girls are for me the real gem of moscow.
I am now concentrating on these divorced girls, 25-35 y.o. who will not try to call you every night, because they already have their own life and children to take care.
I am managing to be with 4 girls in the same time, while keeping free nights to go out with my friends, try to get new diev, or even to monger. Believe it or not; this is not because i got many girlfriends that i stop paying for sex. I must be sick or something is wrong in me, but in fact i like it...! :-)
Stravinsky
03-08-10, 18:18
i can say I must be sick or something is wrong in me, but in fact i like it...! :-)Ppt,
молодец! Nothing wrong with you. Single moms between 25 & 35 are the undiscovered Mother Lode of Russia. The sadder but wiser girl for me, I always say.
You are very fortunate that you have the time to cultivate these kinds of relationships. Take full advantage of it while you can.
I must be sick or something is wrong in me, but in fact i like it...! :-)
My oh my... I do say that our little Passepartout has become a man! ;)
Now to free up some time on my calendar to hit Up and Down with you. See... unlike you, most of my girls are in Category I, so it poses a lot more problems! :)
Doctor_Skank
03-08-10, 19:10
Following my 2 years experience of Moscow, i can say that you got basically 2 kind of girls:
- the one who wants love, children and a datcha: it will be difficult, if not impossible, to keep distance with her and have free time for other girls
- the one who already had a children, knows what is a man, and have very few spare time to share: these girls are for me the real gem of moscow. You are absolutely forgetting the 2 kinds I always end up with:
- the 18-22 year old experimental student assembling her first sexual experiences and looking for intellectual, sexual and life-enhancing adventures of any kind. She knows these are her best years, so she had damn well use them.
- the 24-28 year old office employee with at least one bad relationship behind her just looking for occasional fun, some sex and a nice meal now and then.
Both of these kinds know that I am not the guy for the long haul. Thus, they are perfect and don't mind being one of the "stock", just as long as they aren't confronted by evidence of the other girls directly. Some even ask about the other girls though and openly don't care.
These are even easier to get then the moms sometimes, who can have totally unrealistic expectations... and really terrible schedules. At least that has been my experience.
Passepartout
03-09-10, 22:22
You are absolutely forgetting the 2 kinds I always end up with:
- the 18-22 year old experimental student assembling her first sexual experiences and looking for intellectual, sexual and life-enhancing adventures of any kind. She knows these are her best years, so she had damn well use them.
- the 24-28 year old office employee with at least one bad relationship behind her just looking for occasional fun, some sex and a nice meal now and then.
For the 18-22, i am 36 and starts to feel the difference. I would even say that I am not that interesting by them.
For the 24-28 office employee with recent bad experience, you are right there are plenty of them, looking for the kind guy we all are. Because we are very kind with them, we know that... :-)
Hey Pizdyets, we need to go to u&d, you are right... i'll be there probably on Friday with friends. If you are free, send an sms...
Doctor_Skank
03-09-10, 23:06
For the 18-22, i am 36 and starts to feel the difference. I would even say that I am not that interesting by them. I hear you there.
For the 24-28 office employee with recent bad experience, you are right there are plenty of them, looking for the kind guy we all are. Because we are very kind with them, we know that... :-)
Quite frankly, we are!
Usually...
Bitchology : Russian women taught how to get their man.
"With the number of eligible bachelors dwindling in Russia, women are now taking lessons in how to snare the man of their dreams .....
.... It seem increasing number of Russian women are flocking to "bittch schools" that claim that they can arm the ladies with the competitive edge needed to snare a man, or even bring their own partners to heel...."
http://dimapics.com/gallery.php?photo_id=1726&screen=0&cat_id=138&action=view&lng=
http://rakovsky.ru//?s=5&d_id=186
http://rakovsky.ru//?s=5&d_id=188
Doctor_Skank
03-14-10, 15:54
Bitchology : Russian women taught how to get their man.
"With the number of eligible bachelors dwindling in Russia, women are now taking lessons in how to snare the man of their dreams .....
.... It seem increasing number of Russian women are flocking to "bittch schools" that claim that they can arm the ladies with the competitive edge needed to snare a man, or even bring their own partners to heel...."
http://dimapics.com/gallery.php?photo_id=1726&screen=0&cat_id=138&action=view&lng=
http://rakovsky.ru//?s=5&d_id=186
http://rakovsky.ru//?s=5&d_id=188Haha... :) I read aboout these classes a while ago and they even had something on TV about it.
I bet the classes actually work.. seriously. We men are simple creatures. :)
Stravinsky
03-14-10, 16:49
Bitchology : Russian women taught how to get their man.
"It seem increasing number of Russian women are flocking to "bittch schools" that claim that they can arm the ladies with the competitive edge needed to snare a man, or even bring their own partners to heel...."очень интересно...
Not sure how a woman will catch or keep a man by becoming a "sterva". American women have long since perfected the art, and it hasn't helped them at all.
Why else would American men be looking for women in Russia? And the Ukraine, and Thailand, and Brazil, and Argentina, and everywhere else in the world.
Doctor_Skank
03-14-10, 19:16
очень интересно...
Not sure how a woman will catch or keep a man by becoming a "sterva". American women have long since perfected the art, and it hasn't helped them at all.
Why else would American men be looking for women in Russia? And the Ukraine, and Thailand, and Brazil, and Argentina, and everywhere else in the world.I think it works just fine for American girls, it is only the enlightened few that are smart enough to venture beyond the borders...
I bet the classes actually work.. seriously. We men are simple creatures. :)
http://rakovsky.ru/?s=16
:)
In Russia the statistic is simple.
In the age 15-45 females outnumber males 100:88.
Which means on 100 females age 15-45 comes 88 males the same age.
So russian women are at war among them in order to get the best man.
This is statistic only but in reality the number is much bigger since russian man have faster duying rate.
It's obvious in real live. If you visit a russian school for example in the class of 30 pupils less then 10 will be boys, usually 5-6.
So next time when you visit some fancy night club in Moscow no need to write in your report "women to men ratio is 3:1" since this is normal in Russia.
On the other hand in USA for example the situation is reversed. More men then women. Maybe this is the reason USA men are looking for women elsewhere.
Especially those who are over 55, bold, fat or whatever.
Stravinsky
03-15-10, 02:47
I think it works just fine for American girls, it is only the enlightened few that are smart enough to venture beyond the borders...Hmmm...
Have to disagree with you there, Doc. I think it probably worked for a while, but there's a whole new generation of men here in America now and the strategy seems to be backfiring on them (women that is). But then, that's a whole 'nother subject for a whole 'nother time.
And it's not only the enlightened men who are venturing beyond our borders, the great unwashed are also beginning to catch on. Of course, it is still only the enlightened few that make the journey to eastern Europe. :)
Doctor_Skank
03-15-10, 06:38
Hmmm...
Have to disagree with you there, Doc. I think it probably worked for a while, but there's a whole new generation of men here in America now and the strategy seems to be backfiring on them (women that is). But then, that's a whole 'nother subject for a whole 'nother time.
And it's not only the enlightened men who are venturing beyond our borders, the great unwashed are also beginning to catch on. For the sake of my brethren, I hope you are right!
But yeah, it's another topic entirely.
Doctor_Skank
03-15-10, 06:40
So next time when you visit some fancy night club in Moscow no need to write in your report "women to men ratio is 3:1" since this is normal in Russia.It has been nearly a decade since I've been to a fancy nighhtclub in Moscow with a 3:1 female:male ratio.
Most places are roughly 50:50 and regrettably there are even many places now with more men than women.
The mix at upscale (or even medium-scale) clubs has nothing to do with national demographics.
Where demographics play out positively are in student places, but even there it certainly isn't 3:1.
Passepartout
03-15-10, 18:48
It has been nearly a decade since I've been to a fancy nighhtclub in Moscow with a 3:1 female:male ratio.
Most places are roughly 50:50 and regrettably there are even many places now with more men than women.
I fully confirm this 50:50 ratio. Starting from 2.00 it becomes worst and worst in most of places.
CastOnThis
03-15-10, 22:16
In Russia the statistic is simple.
In the age 15-45 females outnumber males 100: 88.
Which means on 100 females age 15-45 comes 88 males the same age.
So Russian women are at war among them in order to get the best man.
This is statistic only but in reality the number is much bigger since Russian man have faster duying rate.
It's obvious in real live. If you visit a Russian school for example in the class of 30 pupils less then 10 will be boys, usually 5-6.
So next time when you visit some fancy night club in Moscow no need to write in your report "women to men ratio is 3:1" since this is normal in Russia.
On the other hand in USA for example the situation is reversed. More men then women. Maybe this is the reason USA men are looking for women elsewhere.
Especially those who are over 55, bold, fat or whatever.You are so wrong, I was in wikipedia and the demographics for 15-45 is that there are more men than women. Even for the younger people there are more males. The only age group for fewer females is that group that are 60 or above. There is no more oversupply of women. That age is long gone.
I was in wikipedia. Even for the younger people there are more males. There is no more oversupply of women.
What wikipedia doesn't say is that a significant percentage of the younger guys in FSU are rather uncultured, badly dressed, broke and dumb (well, this is maybe not valid for Piter or Moscow, but this is undoubtedly true in most Russian provinces, as in Caucasus, Stans, Moldova, ect, at least when you leave the big cities cosmopolitan bowels).
The demographics for 18-45 is maybe a 50:50 male to female ratio, but IMO the "eligible male" to female ratio in this part of the world is more something like 1:5.
What wikipedia doesn't say is that a significant percentage of the younger guys in FSU are rather uncultured, badly dressed, broke and dumb (well, this is maybe not valid for Piter or Moscow, but this is undoubtedly true in most Russian provinces, as in Caucasus, Stans, Moldova, ect, at least when you leave the big cities cosmopolitan bowels).
The demographics for 18-45 is maybe a 50:50 male to female ratio, but IMO the "eligible male" to female ratio in this part of the world is more something like 1:5.
Key word in that slew being broke. No money, no honey...
What wikipedia doesn't say is that a significant percentage of the younger guys in FSU are rather uncultured, badly dressed, broke and dumb (well, this is maybe not valid for Piter or Moscow, but this is undoubtedly true in most Russian provinces, as in Caucasus, Stans, Moldova, ect, at least when you leave the big cities cosmopolitan bowels).
The demographics for 18-45 is maybe a 50:50 male to female ratio, but IMO the "eligible male" to female ratio in this part of the world is more something like 1:5.
So many Russian men are just 'gopniks' - sort of like white trash - they drink and smoke in the corridors of their Soviet housing blocks, don't know how to dress and live with their mothers until they are 30. It's a wonder that Russian women don't throw themselves at ANY foreigner. I mean - most women here can't look forward to anything more than living in a cramped 3-room flat with their mothers and children. I think that the girls that most foreigners have the best chance with are ones that have actually been abroad and know what normal Europeans are 'sposedta live like.
So many Russian men are just 'gopniks' - sort of like white trash -
Yeah, gopniki. I like this word!
To be witty with new Russian girls i-contacts, I often qualify myself of "gopnik" whose hobby is to get drunk (well, there's a part of truth in that!), which they usually find really fun coming from a Western guy, and much more entertaining than the boring BS they usually hear, like "...I'm a true gentleman, with good manners and strong values, decent, honest, faithful, serious, blah blah blah..".
:)
Yeah, gopniki. I like this word!
To be witty with new Russian girls i-contacts, I often qualify myself of "gopnik" whose hobby is to get drunk (well, there's a part of truth in that!), which they usually find really fun coming from a Western guy, and much more entertaining than the boring BS they usually hear, like "...I'm a true gentleman, with good manners and strong values, decent, honest, faithful, serious, blah blah blah..".
:)
Yeah - in a kinder world, being a 'true gentleman' would get you somewhere. I think such people are the most likely to end up raising another man's children.
For the 18-22, i am 36 and starts to feel the difference. I would even say that I am not that interesting by them.
For the 24-28 office employee with recent bad experience, you are right there are plenty of them, looking for the kind guy we all are. Because we are very kind with them, we know that... :-)
Hey Pizdyets, we need to go to u&d, you are right... i'll be there probably on Friday with friends. If you are free, send an sms...
I've never been able to fall in love with anyone from category B. It's that category A that's always been interesting to me, and I'm 33. Girls from category B just seem a bit used up.
Doctor_Skank
03-19-10, 17:15
So many Russian men are just 'gopniks' - sort of like white trash - they drink and smoke in the corridors of their Soviet housing blocks, don't know how to dress and live with their mothers until they are 30. It's a wonder that Russian women don't throw themselves at ANY foreigner. I mean - most women here can't look forward to anything more than living in a cramped 3-room flat with their mothers and children. I think that the girls that most foreigners have the best chance with are ones that have actually been abroad and know what normal Europeans are 'sposedta live like.And the farther away you get from Moscow and St.Petes the more gopniky the guys get.
It's like corruption and xenophobia in Russia. Despite the best efforts anybody could make, it'll take a couple of generations to weed it out of them. If ever.
I say, long live the gopniks!
Stravinsky
03-19-10, 19:54
Girls from category B just seem a bit used up.Really???
Seems to me they're just getting started!! ;)
Really???
Seems to me they're just getting started!! ;)
I think a lot of it has to do with the age of the man, too. As I get older, I'm obviously still very attracted to the looks of 18-22 y.o. girls, but the whole silliness and immaturity really grates on me. Sure, a few girls in that age bracket are wise beyond their years and can talk about things other than which popstars they think are hot... but in my experience, they're few and far between, and tend to not be as hot as the sillier/stupider girls. Bimbo stereotype? Maybe. But that's my experience.
Stravinsky
03-21-10, 16:39
I think a lot of it has to do with the age of the man, too. As I get older, I'm obviously still very attracted to the looks of 18-22 y.o. girls, but the whole silliness and immaturity really grates on me.
Bimbo stereotype? Maybe. But that's my experience.I've been thinking the same thing myself, and stereotypes do exist for a reason. No matter how gorgeous that 19 y.o. might be, it's still tiresome having to explain everything to her. The irony is: you have this gorgeous teenage babe who is like a big gland, just walking around. But at the very moment in her life when she has the most potential, she has the least understanding of how to use it. It's a little like giving an atomic bomb to a chimpanzee.
Whereas... in 4 or 5 years, she will still have 90% of the potential, but 100% of the understanding. That's the kind of girl I want to meet.
As soon as I got to this town, I realized the use of salons and brothels would have to wait until I had some friends. Another problem is the nasty weather which has made the bars and nightclubs less than what I expected. My world in Moscow has been the Metro, Mcdonalds, and Starbucks.
When I was on the Metro later in the evening, I noticed all the 30 something devs going home. Attractive women with no wedding bands and probably not going home to a man. The surprising thing was I could not establish any eye contact whatsoever with these gals. I'm not Brad Pitt but I know that my looks are in the same league with these girls. Should of been some curiosity. Then there was the sweet and pretty girl behind the counter at Starbucks, again another girl that should have checked me out and did not. So after four days, it finally dawned on me, that I was just a foreigner passing through.
So this is what I changed. Instead of my cargo shorts and t-shirt, I grabbed some dress slacks and shoes and specifically targeted the girl at Starbucks. Everyday day I would show up in the morning at exactly the same time and made myself appear part of Corporate America. In her eyes, I was an employed man in Russia and not a tourist. Also, I took the ride through the Metro in the evening and yes I did get the looks.
As to the girl at starbucks, she will be escorting me to a museum tomorrow. So after spending almost $4000 dollars(flight hotel), I found a girl, who may actually like me, to take me to a mausoleum.
So this is what I changed. Instead of my cargo shorts and t-shirt, I grabbed some dress slacks and shoes and specifically targeted the girl at Starbucks.
Molodets! Yes, Moscovites are highly attuned to style. I know it's impossible in this weather, but try wearing a suit to a club some time. It's deadly effective - take my word for it. I'm literally pushing girls off of me.
Best of luck with the Starbucks dyev!
Attractive women with no wedding bands.As a parenthesis, Russian women wear their wedding ring on the RIGHT hand (still on the finger next to the "pinky").
Gentleman Travel
08-09-10, 16:09
So this is what I changed. Instead of my cargo shorts and t-shirt, I grabbed some dress slacks and shoes and specifically targeted the girl at Starbucks. Everyday day I would show up in the morning at exactly the same time and made myself appear part of Corporate America. In her eyes, I was an employed man in Russia and not a tourist. Also, I took the ride through the Metro in the evening and yes I did get the looks.
As to the girl at starbucks, she will be escorting me to a museum tomorrow. So after spending almost $4000 dollars(flight hotel), I found a girl, who may actually like me, to take me to a mausoleum.
I guess you RTFF beforehand but did not absorb some of the lessons.
It has been repeated here many times that dressing well is a big factor for success.
So you could have saved yourself four days of frustration.
But hopefully the lesson is well-learned now and you are on your way to success with the Starbucks girl (and the subway girls).
Best wishes!
Bez Bezarra
08-11-10, 03:18
I realized salons and brothels would have to wait until I spend $4000 dollars to find a girl to take me to a mausoleum.We're all a bit different, aren't we.
Timtimtimtim
09-23-10, 00:11
[QUOTE=Blaked]. It's a wonder that Russian women don't throw themselves at ANY foreigner. I mean. Most women here can't look forward to anything more than living in a cramped 3-room flat with their mothers and children.. QUOTE]This sounds like the situation from 1990's to me.
I have never been to Russia but am desperate to make it next year because what I hear is this:
Russia is fast turning into a western society. Moscow apparently resembling more something akin to Tokyo or NYC.
The other day I talked to a young (18 year old) Russian student here in the USA, and I asked him how he likes NYC. His answer was: "I'ts pretty cool, but in general, clubs ind the overall vibe in Moscow is more fun, more hip, more interesting".
I was really surprised and decided to re-check my assumptions. So I wonder if someone on this board would mind sharing a little about the OVERALL EXPERIENCE of being in Russia, not necessarily just St. Pete or Moskow. Maybe someone has been to more far-flung places like Vladivostok or even Blagoweschtschensk or Novosibirsk, Odessa. You know. The "real" russia.
I'm super-super-super curious about everything people write here. I love this forum. Seriously, all you guys who take the time to report on your goings-on, it is utterly appreciated by us newbies.
It seems to me things really have chenged a lot from 2002. Lots of posts from those years quote prices and experiences that I am almost certain are no longer true in 2010.
Anyone feel like sharing some recent insights?
Thanks in advcance.
Odessa. You know. The "real" russia.
Or maybe even the "real" Ukraine :)
. It's a wonder that Russian women don't throw themselves at ANY foreigner. I mean. Most women here can't look forward to anything more than living in a cramped 3-room flat with their mothers and children.. This sounds like the situation from 1990's to me.
I have never been to Russia but am desperate to make it next year because what I hear is this:
Russia is fast turning into a western society. Moscow apparently resembling more something akin to Tokyo or NYC.
The other day I talked to a young (18 year old) Russian student here in the USA, and I asked him how he likes NYC. His answer was: "I'ts pretty cool, but in general, clubs ind the overall vibe in Moscow is more fun, more hip, more interesting".
I was really surprised and decided to re-check my assumptions. So I wonder if someone on this board would mind sharing a little about the OVERALL EXPERIENCE of being in Russia, not necessarily just St. Pete or Moskow. Maybe someone has been to more far-flung places like Vladivostok or even Blagoweschtschensk or Novosibirsk, Odessa. You know. The "real" russia.
I'm super-super-super curious about everything people write here. I love this forum. Seriously, all you guys who take the time to report on your goings-on, it is utterly appreciated by us newbies.
It seems to me things really have chenged a lot from 2002. Lots of posts from those years quote prices and experiences that I am almost certain are no longer true in 2010.
Anyone feel like sharing some recent insights?
Thanks in advcance.Yeah a hears my advice if you plan to venture into gopnick territory. Have balls of steal!
I met a 30 year old Russian on a beach in Thailand, we spent the evening talking until 2am until finally swapping email addresses and going our seperate ways.
1. She was sharing a hotel room with a Russian guy who she maintains was not her boyfriend.
2. Does not drink alcohol
3. Works in a corporate office as a beancounter
4. I could not see any emotions as to whether she was interested in anything more than chat.
I have no exposure to Russian women so I could not read the situation.
What's the deal here?
I met a 30 year old Russian on a beach in Thailand, we spent the evening talking until 2am until finally swapping email addresses and going our seperate ways.
1. She was sharing a hotel room with a Russian guy who she maintains was not her boyfriend.
2. Does not drink alcohol
3. Works in a corporate office as a beancounter
4. I could not see any emotions as to whether she was interested in anything more than chat.
I have no exposure to Russian women so I could not read the situation.
What's the deal here?
How old are you? 16?
Stayed chatting with a woman until 2am ... ... and can't read her?
What was your investment/return ratio?
Get real!!!
P13
Stravinsky
11-21-10, 18:08
Stayed chatting with a woman until 2am ... ... and can't read her?I can just imagine the text messages she's sending to her friends back home, "Went on vacation, met a foreign man, stayed up until 2:00am with him waiting for him to fuck me and the guy never made a move. What's wrong with these foreign guys, anyway???"
So what about the staid character?. Is it normal for Russian girls to sit there showing no emotions but all the time thinking "I wish he would take me home and fuck me senseless. "
Like I said I have no exposure to Russian culture, the way I read it was she was a girl that would take some working on and there wasn't going to be any fun that night, but you seem to think otherwise?
Superparatrooper
11-22-10, 04:39
Stayed chatting with a woman until 2am ... ... and can't read her?
I met a 30 year old Russian on a beach in Thailand, we spent the evening talking until 2am until finally swapping email addresses and going our seperate ways.
1. She was sharing a hotel room with a Russian guy who she maintains was not her boyfriend.
2. Does not drink alcohol
3. Works in a corporate office as a beancounter
4. I could not see any emotions as to whether she was interested in anything more than chat.
I have no exposure to Russian women so I could not read the situation.
What's the deal here?
You either have a problem selling yourself or with closing the deal. Given the fact that you were able to bore her out of her mind until 2AM & she still gave you her email, I suspect the selling wasnt too bad, but the closing must have sucked.
So, here is some advice from an expert on how to seal the deal:
You can't play in a man's game if You can't close them
A-B-C. A-always, B-be, C-closing. Always be closing!
Always be closing!!
A-I-D-A. Attention, Interest, Decision, Action!
Attention -- do I have your attention?
Interest -- are you interested? I know you are because it's fuck or walk. You close or you hit the bricks!
Decision -- have you made your decision for Christ?!
and Action!
A-I-D-A! Get out there!!
Are you gonna take it? Are you man enough to take it?Your case analysis:
Attention- you certainly caught here attention & you started playing the game.
Interest- you got her interested in yourself, otherwise why the hell would the two of you be talking until 2AM
Decision- have you made your decision for Christ?! WELL, HAVE YOU?! Looks like you didnt
Action- what were you waiting for- a permission from her daddy to kiss her? This isnt Victorian England. She told you herself that the Russian guy she was staying with is not her boyfriend!
Jesus, a woman is on vacation at an exotic destination chatting with you until two in the morning and tells you that the dude she is here with isnt here boyfriend- she couldnt make it more obvious that SHE wants YOU to take her back to YOUR room (or a secluded part of the beach) and fuck her, even if she had that written in capital letters all over her forehead.
Oh, fuck me twice! I forgot the best part- she doesn't drink. That means she is telling you all of this while sober. Why would someone of opposite sex stay up late into the night talking to a complete stranger while their "friend/sugar daddy/significant other/companion/looser" was holed up in their hotel room??
Do you still have her email address? You wouldnt mind sharing it? Maybe I could get her to accompany me to a bean counter convention when Im in Москва early next year. Then Ill be able to talk business with her :) After all money is the most powerful aphrodisiac, her being a bean counter- she knows that!
You ask what's the deal. Here's the deal: Give me her email and when I'm back from Moskva next year I'll send you here naked pics. Sounds fair?
Gentleman Travel
11-23-10, 16:24
A recent adventure banging a Russian MILF freebie in Washington reminded me of one of the differentiating factors between Russian women and American women - pre-coital showering. I guess it's a good thing to get clean before getting dirty, but it is always a bit distracting. I mean you are working your way through the foreplay and trying to tease off those first few bits of clothing, when she abruptly excuses herself and heads for the bathroom. But then when you hear the shower running you know you are home (as if you did not already when she came up to your room)!
I guess Russian women are expecting more orifices to be in play and a lot of mouth-to-body part contact, so cleanliness is key. It is not uncommon for them to have both pre & post-coital showers, like my MILF did. Happily by the second round we were on sufficiently intimate terms to shower together, which usually leads to a second round of getting dirty again...
Whereas with a western woman (or my wife at least) an evening shower means "don't touch me - I just got clean, I don't want to get all sticky and dirty again".
Bez Bezarra
11-24-10, 03:46
[quote=blaked]. it's a wonder that russian women don't throw themselves at any foreigner. i mean. most women here can't look forward to anything more than living in a cramped 3-room flat with their mothers and children.. quote]this sounds like the situation from 1990's to me.
i have never been to russia but am desperate to make it next year because what i hear is this:
russia is fast turning into a western society. moscow apparently resembling more something akin to tokyo or nyc.
the other day i talked to a young (18 year old) russian student here in the usa, and i asked him how he likes nyc. his answer was: "i'ts pretty cool, but in general, clubs ind the overall vibe in moscow is more fun, more hip, more interesting".
i was really surprised and decided to re-check my assumptions. so i wonder if someone on this board would mind sharing a little about the overall experience of being in russia, not necessarily just st. pete or moskow. maybe someone has been to more far-flung places like vladivostok or even blagoweschtschensk or novosibirsk, odessa. you know. the "real" russia.
i'm super-super-super curious about everything people write here. i love this forum. seriously, all you guys who take the time to report on your goings-on, it is utterly appreciated by us newbies.
it seems to me things really have chenged a lot from 2002. lots of posts from those years quote prices and experiences that i am almost certain are no longer true in 2010.
anyone feel like sharing some recent insights?
thanks in advcance.stop the presses, i'm here to do the unforgivable, share info!
oh no! not that bez!!
yes yes, because timmy inadvertently revealed my home base of blagoshitstainunchuks. well, not exactly that oblast, but it sounded good.
but anyway, not about st pitr or moskva either, because they are the most western cities in the country. which is what most mongers want, so most go there, because its easier. but also expensive, for a tourist. for ex-pats, they get long term discounts and learn to live within the system.
but for you timmy, with your understandable urge to explore, in search of the still slightly unspoiled sweet slavic passion that only a girl from the real heart of the motherland has burning in her loins.....yes, you sort of guessed right that prices and experiences from 2002 are no longer true. depending on your decision between a hotel or apartment, between supermarkets and cooking or eating in restaurants, bars, and clubs, or drinking and strippers and saunas, you could budget $100 a day or $300 a day or $500 a day. you can be lazy and pay to have your food, drinks, and bed made for you, or you can do it yourself, and save 80% of your capital for generous sponsorships, which could make you popular and keep your schedule busy.
but guess what, its always changing, and that will always stay the same. its even different at different times of the year. in the summer, girls from the towns and small cities around the oblast capitals come in, and some come to make money. it could depend on what you are willing to invest, as to the degree of gfe you are given. the key, and the point, is to keep trying as many different approaches as you can, some will not be productive, and some will.
on the standard end of the agency biz, it seems that the old quickie 1 hour session that used to be about $80 is now back to $50, but that includes almost nothing but the "here's my hole, stick it in, and get it over with cause i gotta go they're waiting downstairs in the car for me and they're gonna beat the shit outa me of i don't hurry up and get the fuck out of here now" attitude.
or, on the other side of the coin, if you get dumb and lucky and meet someone that stands out from the drunken crowd of skanks, usually someone fairly new, you can pay those fuckers waiting down in the car to come back in a few hours, pour some wine for your new girlfriend , fill up your bathtub, light a candle, and then you can take it from there, i hope. and if you have enough style, there are some that you can help transform from quiet well behaved young ladies into depraved nymphos.
but what doesn't change, is the range of the variances in the girls. its wide. bad girls, nasty girls, nice girls, really nice girls, too nice girls, bitchy girls, and itchy girls. oh, and more importantly, greedy ones, and not so greedy. you get it? it means, that you can be sure you will find situations where your degree of success depends on your flexibility to go above and beyond. when the situation calls for that, you can buy an expensive ticket and ride the new roller-coaster. you know, the kind that drops 1000 feet vertical and then almost twists you in half at 120 mph, that when its over and you step off , you just let out a big breath of 'whew!", and you realize, that was amazing!
well, those girls are there. i never failed to meet and eat at least a few on every adventure.
the rest of the 'overall experience' that you are wondering about, is boring in comparison.
and i don't agree with climaxcow, that you need stalin's sack if you want to venture into gopnick territory. and though blaked had a point, that there probably was a short time when dyevs would think throwing themselves at a foreigner meant that their life would improve, i think they've now figured out, that foreigners are just not even around enough that it would ever make any difference anyway.
but, if you go back again, and again, and again, and some more after that, you can make a difference.
its really better explained by the new guy, saltypooperscooper, who did have the gopnicky steel balls to post not just one, but 3 fucking fotos of the greatest sales freak, alec the maniac, from the all time classic glenggr, espousing the mantra of close the deal because its fuck or walk, if you're god damn man enough.
check s7 sibair website, there's enough choices to choose, that you can fling yourself as far as you could possibly want to be flung. you don't need a guide book here for your 'overall experience', go out and create your own, its much more fun that way. ride a bus, ride the underground, sit in the park, blend in. make a lot of friends. you can learn how to play the game, its easy. all you need is balls.
the whole country of russia is not fast turning into a western society. moscow, tokyo, new york? those only represent what the biggest country's biggest city means. nobody goes to nyc or tokyo to find the nicest sweetest girls. in the non-tourist normal cities and towns, russia is still russia, and will still be russia for a long time, don't worry. and nothing could be better. it won't change, cause nobody's going there. its too big, and too far east.
Gentleman Travel
12-01-10, 17:42
What happened Bez - did Jackson delete all your offensive remarks?
Can we expect more of these pithy, informative posts?
Borderland
10-29-11, 21:24
A recent adventure banging a Russian MILF freebie in Washington reminded me of one of the differentiating factors between Russian women and American women. Pre-coital showering. I guess it's a good thing to get clean before getting dirty, but it is always a bit distracting. I mean you are working your way through the foreplay and trying to tease off those first few bits of clothing, when she abruptly excuses herself and heads for the bathroom. But then when you hear the shower running you know you are home (as if you did not already when she came up to your room)!
I guess Russian women are expecting more orifices to be in play and a lot of mouth-to-body part contact, so cleanliness is key. It is not uncommon for them to have both pre & post-coital showers, like my MILF did. Happily by the second round we were on sufficiently intimate terms to shower together, which usually leads to a second round of getting dirty again.
Whereas with a western woman (or my wife at least) an evening shower means "don't touch me. I just got clean, I don't want to get all sticky and dirty again".That's something I noticed of Russian women too, they like to get incredibly clean before and after sex, including brushing their teeth. They can take an age in there but in my experience it hasn't been about 'expecting more orifices to be in play' merely that's how they're brought up. They also often insist that you shower too and give your dick a good clean. A few times I've taken my shower and will be getting it on with her giving me a BJ only for the girl to insist I go back and wash my dick again because she can taste my pre-cum juices. That IS annoying. I dated a Russian girl for a while who as soon as I got out of the shower would pull my foreskin back and smell it and if it wasn't up to her standards would insist I scrub it again, a kind of penis OCD. Once I passed her test however she would reward me with awesome head.
That's something I noticed of Russian women too, they like to get incredibly clean before and after sex, including brushing their teeth. They can take an age in there but in my experience it hasn't been about 'expecting more orifices to be in play' merely that's how they're brought up. They also often insist that you shower too and give your dick a good clean. A few times I've taken my shower and will be getting it on with her giving me a BJ only for the girl to insist I go back and wash my dick again because she can taste my pre-cum juices. That IS annoying. I dated a Russian girl for a while who as soon as I got out of the shower would pull my foreskin back and smell it and if it wasn't up to her standards would insist I scrub it again, a kind of penis OCD. Once I passed her test however she would reward me with awesome head.This is has nothing to do with Russian women. It has to do with normal cleanliness that differentiates people who want to be clean vs. People who do not care about it. In German FKKs I have gotten many complements of being clean just by taking shower before the deed. My advise to you all is that take shower as much as you can and you will be rewarded more then you think you will.
H
All "players" hunting in the FSU territories know that attractive and charming MILFs, who are sexually and emotionally starving, are available ad nauseum in this part of the world.
I love early 20's girls, but more and more I opt for the option of hunting 28 + ladies. Although I have never specifically pursued single moms, I have run across more than a few. And many of them are still looking really really great. With this group, what has worked for me is the basic romantic dating approach. A date over dinner with wine usually does the trick. The only thing they are really looking for is spending nice time. Romance and personality go far with them. And especially experience, refinment (not only but including in dressing style) witt and intelligence. Also what is great with this group is that once they are yours they tend to fuck you like true freaks, as they know that the end of their sexual life approaches. And they have absolutly no materialistic expectations.
Was this week: 36 yo, no kids. 1.75 cm (5'8") , great slender body, vacationning in Paris. Dated through mamba, meeting in Saint Germain des Pres. Three bottles of Chardonnay in a nice cafe, a few Baileys in another one. Et voila, making up in my apartment at noon after a night (we fucked during something like five hours) of 1000 mph passionate, no holds barred (as usual with Russian women) sex.
This is has nothing to do with Russian womenWhat makes Russian women special (beside their striking beauty, their emotional generosity, their deap-seated wish for submission, their loyalty, their cultural knowledge, and their ardor for sex) is that they not only dress to impress, but also to seduce. Stockings, heels and fine lingerie are mandatory accessories for them. Which is great.
Borderland
11-07-11, 20:58
All "players" hunting in the FSU territories know that attractive and charming MILFs, who are sexually and emotionally starving, are available ad nauseum in this part of the world.
I love early 20's girls, but more and more I opt for the option of hunting 28 + ladies. Although I have never specifically pursued single moms, I have run across more than a few. And many of them are still looking really really great. With this group, what has worked for me is the basic romantic dating approach. A date over dinner with wine usually does the trick. The only thing they are really looking for is spending nice time. Romance and personality go far with them. And especially experience, refinment (not only but including in dressing style) witt and intelligence. Also what is great with this group is that once they are yours they tend to fuck you like true freaks, as they know that the end of their sexual life approaches. And they have absolutly no materialistic expectations.
Was this week: 36 yo, no kids. 1.75 cm (5'8") , great slender body, vacationning in Paris. Dated through mamba, meeting in Saint Germain des Pres. Three bottles of Chardonnay in a nice cafe, a few Baileys in another one. Et voila, making up in my apartment at noon after a night (we fucked during something like five hours) of 1000 mph passionate, no holds barred (as usual with Russian women) sex.Great work Prosal, she looks very nice indeed.
As a man entering middle age it's great to have it confirmed that the over 30 age group in Russia is far from being a disappointment, and in fact seems to be one that should be targeted specifically for the high standard of women contained within. Great news.
What makes Russian women special (beside their striking beauty, their emotional generosity, their deap-seated wish for submission, their loyalty, their cultural knowledge, and their ardor for sex) is that they not only dress to impress, but also to seduce. Stockings, heels and fine lingerie are mandatory accessories for them. Which is great.Prosal, these dispatches are most heartening and also chime with this writer's experiences.
Keep up the good work, old boy!
VG
What makes Russian women special (beside their striking beauty, their emotional generosity, their deap-seated wish for submission, their loyalty, their cultural knowledge, and their ardor for sex) is that they not only dress to impress, but also to seduce. Stockings, heels and fine lingerie are mandatory accessories for them. Which is great.Amen brother. Yesterday was our really first cold snap in Moscow. We woke to a chilly minus 10C which eventually crept up to near freezing. But this first cold snap has a bight side as it brought out all of the winter regalia that the Moscvitcha's are famous for. On the walk from the the metro to my office I was treated to a beautiful display of shapely legs in tight pants slid into knee high leather boots. Now, it's no substitute for the scanty summer outfit these girls wear to the office, but there was just something about seeing all of the new winter clothes these girls have bought for the season that gives me a little tingle. New coats with fur collars and hoods, furry little hats and tight leggings that seem to have been spray painted on. Almost makes the Moscow winter bearable.
Amen brother. Yesterday was our really first cold snap in Moscow.In Paris also yesterday was a bit cold, but nothing to prevent a Russian dev from strolling around with a bareback stomach. (wink)
Great work Prosal, she looks very nice indeed.
As a man entering middle age it's great to have it confirmed that the over 30 age group in Russia is far from being a disappointment, and in fact seems to be one that should be targeted specifically for the high standard of women contained within. Great news.Those Russian 30 and so women who travel extensively usually are working mentally and physically draining jobs and need some adventure, romance and sex, provided that it is with a man of same cultural and social level. At this age a woman expects a man to be successful and intelligent, anything less isn't a man worth fucking.
By the way, we finished pretty drunk yesterday night in the designer's apartment where she lives during her week in Paris (which belongs to her best friend's sponsor). I took some pics (smilie).
As a man entering middle age it's great to have it confirmed that the over 30 age group in Russia is far from being a disappointmentI myself already got into middle age and honestly, I find the late teens BS more and more insufferable. I had a 19 yo GF last winter (who came straight from Omsk) who couldn't take her hands from her smartphone to constantly SMS her friends, check her FaceBook or Vkontakte "walls", ect ect. Even at cinema. It was simply silly. Even the way she dressed sometimes embarrassed me, very "Russian provinces hot teen" style. She was fun to be with though, which counterbalanced. (smilie)
. I had a 19 yo GF last winter (who came straight from Omsk) who couldn't take her hands from her smartphone to constantly SMS her friends, check her FaceBook or Vkontakte "walls", ect ect. Even at cinema. It was simply silly. Even the way she dressed sometimes embarrassed me, very "Russian provinces hot teen" style.Wait. I am a little confused. This photo is of the teeny-bopper provincalka. Right? Surely not the 30 year old. Right?
Wait. I am a little confused. This photo is of the teeny-bopper provincalka. Right? Surely not the 30 year old. Right?Right. Last pic is the 19 yo Siberian gopotelka (well, she doesn't deserve this epithet, just to joke) playing with her mobile.
I myself already got into middle age and honestly, I find the late teens BS more and more insufferable. I had a 19 yo GF last winter (who came straight from Omsk) who couldn't take her hands from her smartphone to constantly SMS her friends, check her FaceBook or Vkontakte "walls", ect ect. Even at cinema. It was simply silly. Even the way she dressed sometimes embarrassed me, very "Russian provinces hot teen" style. She was fun to be with though, which counterbalanced. (smilie)Yeah, I even notice the difference between the 18-19 yo and the 22-23 yo. Leila, who I have been sponsoring since March '08 turned 22 this last October. I picked up her little sister this summer, she turned 18, and I can see a big difference between the two, as well as my attitude toward the younger versus the older.
In '08 I didn't notice all of those annoying 18 yo habits. The phone, the tardiness, the "whatever" attitude. Now they annoy me. But still, not annoying enough to kick her out of bed in the morning. Even when the first thing she reaches for is her phone.
Cheers
PeterTheGreat
01-08-12, 00:55
Gentlemen:
I have a friend. Mid 50's. Just got put on disability a year ago because of an accident at work. Approximately 10 years ago he goes to Russian and meets "the love of his life" at a romance social. 1st mistake. The letter's flow and he goes back and sees her and files for a Fiancee Visa with immigration and brings her and her teenage son and daughter to "the land of the big PX".2nd mistake. He is from Wyoming and has no education except a GED. Has a good union job and makes a 110K per year. She doesn't like Wyoming (she is from Kingissep) and talks him into giving up his seniority and moving to the Pacific Northwest. Well, her being a city girl she wants the best house, car, money. 2K purses. The list goes on an on. Fast forward 9 years. He's injured and placed on disibility and she now has a green card, good job, and her kids have been educated compliments of his 401K. On top of that he got her son out of being drafted into the Russian army. She decides that she doesn't want him around all the time and says she wants out. THEN the credit card bills arrive to the tune of 57K. He get's hung for all of it and has to declare bankruptcy. The house is stripped of the leather couches and all the goodies when he come home to a restraining order. He has to pay income tax on the 401K loans and is virtually BROKE. And disabled with no job. When you meet these girls BEWARE! They are no different than the ladies here in the US. Sometimes worse and the legal system protects them to no end from the "sex-maniac" Americans. Trust me gents the word is out over there on how to clean someone out and leave. P4P for ever!
Gentlemen:
I have a friend. Mid 50's. Just got put on disability a year ago because of an accident at work. Approximately 10 years ago he goes to Russian and meets "the love of his life" at a romance social. 1st mistake. The letter's flow and he goes back and sees her and files for a Fiancee Visa with immigration and brings her and her teenage son and daughter to "the land of the big PX".2nd mistake. He is from Wyoming and has no education except a GED. Has a good union job and makes a 110K per year. She doesn't like Wyoming (she is from Kingissep) and talks him into giving up his seniority and moving to the Pacific Northwest. Well, her being a city girl she wants the best house, car, money. 2K purses. The list goes on an on. Fast forward 9 years. He's injured and placed on disibility and she now has a green card, good job, and her kids have been educated compliments of his 401K. On top of that he got her son out of being drafted into the Russian army. She decides that she doesn't want him around all the time and says she wants out. THEN the credit card bills arrive to the tune of 57K. He get's hung for all of it and has to declare bankruptcy. The house is stripped of the leather couches and all the goodies when he come home to a restraining order. He has to pay income tax on the 401K loans and is virtually BROKE. And disabled with no job. When you meet these girls BEWARE! They are no different than the ladies here in the US. Sometimes worse and the legal system protects them to no end from the "sex-maniac" Americans. Trust me gents the word is out over there on how to clean someone out and leave. P4P for ever!Thanks for sharing! And I think this post will benefit many out there. I feel sorry for your friend and hope he will survive this.
In fsu mothers tell too daughters, find rich and educated. In fsu coutreys money and status is by far most important to people and in this case girls.
Now women in western world are not perfect, yes they have some amazing expectations too the man. And are extremly spoilt. At least many of them. But at least most of them are honnest!
I am going too have fun with fsu girls in the future for many years. Tho if one day I deside to marridge am pretty sure its going to be western woman.
Gentlemen:
I have a friend. Mid 50's. Just got put on disability a year ago because of an accident at work. Approximately 10 years ago he goes to Russian and meets "the love of his life" at a romance social. 1st mistake. The letter's flow and he goes back and sees her and files for a Fiancee Visa with immigration and brings her and her teenage son and daughter to "the land of the big PX".2nd mistake. He is from Wyoming and has no education except a GED. Has a good union job and makes a 110K per year. She doesn't like Wyoming (she is from Kingissep) and talks him into giving up his seniority and moving to the Pacific Northwest. Well, her being a city girl she wants the best house, car, money. 2K purses. The list goes on an on. Fast forward 9 years. He's injured and placed on disibility and she now has a green card, good job, and her kids have been educated compliments of his 401K. On top of that he got her son out of being drafted into the Russian army. She decides that she doesn't want him around all the time and says she wants out. THEN the credit card bills arrive to the tune of 57K. He get's hung for all of it and has to declare bankruptcy. The house is stripped of the leather couches and all the goodies when he come home to a restraining order. He has to pay income tax on the 401K loans and is virtually BROKE. And disabled with no job. When you meet these girls BEWARE! They are no different than the ladies here in the US. Sometimes worse and the legal system protects them to no end from the "sex-maniac" Americans. Trust me gents the word is out over there on how to clean someone out and leave. P4P for ever!This could of happened if he married his high school sweetheart from Wyoming. People do shitty things to one another. Tough break.
Gentlemen:
I have a friend. Mid 50's. Just got put on disability a year ago because of an accident at work. Approximately 10 years ago he goes to Russian and meets "the love of his life" at a romance social. 1st mistake. The letter's flow and he goes back and sees her and files for a Fiancee Visa with immigration and brings her and her teenage son and daughter to "the land of the big PX".2nd mistake. He is from Wyoming and has no education except a GED. Has a good union job and makes a 110K per year. She doesn't like Wyoming (she is from Kingissep) and talks him into giving up his seniority and moving to the Pacific Northwest. Well, her being a city girl she wants the best house, car, money. 2K purses. The list goes on an on. Fast forward 9 years. He's injured and placed on disibility and she now has a green card, good job, and her kids have been educated compliments of his 401K. On top of that he got her son out of being drafted into the Russian army. She decides that she doesn't want him around all the time and says she wants out. THEN the credit card bills arrive to the tune of 57K. He get's hung for all of it and has to declare bankruptcy. The house is stripped of the leather couches and all the goodies when he come home to a restraining order. He has to pay income tax on the 401K loans and is virtually BROKE. And disabled with no job. When you meet these girls BEWARE! They are no different than the ladies here in the US. Sometimes worse and the legal system protects them to no end from the "sex-maniac" Americans. Trust me gents the word is out over there on how to clean someone out and leave. P4P for ever!And the moral of the story, if you're crazy enough to marry one of these girls, live in her country.
I don't trust any woman! I always tell these guys on here p4p is the way. I got buddys, I want love! Cry me a fucking river, stop being stupid. Just enjoy a woman and realize that its going to end. I got one buddy that says he is unhappy at home thats why he wants to leave and be with his new girlfriend. (His wife is a pretty damn good wife to0) I say you stupid mother fucker if you think your unhappy now wait till your wife and three yound kids are done with you, this guys been married 20years, big house, toys and has nothing to be unhappy about. Anyway thank god the relationship with the mistress tanked because I really think the dumb fuck was going to leave his wife. Now he is happy he didn't do that! This ***** he was running with was 20 years younger then him I said sure she is fun but dotn leave your wife for her you dumb fuck! Kind of got off the storry but fact is all women do this to men. Most men are fuking stupid, thank god I had a dad that taught me right.
Gentlemen:
I have a friend. Mid 50's. Just got put on disability a year ago because of an accident at work. Approximately 10 years ago he goes to Russian and meets "the love of his life" at a romance social. 1st mistake. The letter's flow and he goes back and sees her and files for a Fiancee Visa with immigration and brings her and her teenage son and daughter to "the land of the big PX".2nd mistake. He is from Wyoming and has no education except a GED. Has a good union job and makes a 110K per year. She doesn't like Wyoming (she is from Kingissep) and talks him into giving up his seniority and moving to the Pacific Northwest. Well, her being a city girl she wants the best house, car, money. 2K purses. The list goes on an on. Fast forward 9 years. He's injured and placed on disibility and she now has a green card, good job, and her kids have been educated compliments of his 401K. On top of that he got her son out of being drafted into the Russian army. She decides that she doesn't want him around all the time and says she wants out. THEN the credit card bills arrive to the tune of 57K. He get's hung for all of it and has to declare bankruptcy. The house is stripped of the leather couches and all the goodies when he come home to a restraining order. He has to pay income tax on the 401K loans and is virtually BROKE. And disabled with no job. When you meet these girls BEWARE! They are no different than the ladies here in the US. Sometimes worse and the legal system protects them to no end from the "sex-maniac" Americans. Trust me gents the word is out over there on how to clean someone out and leave. P4P for ever!
Sad story but not a reason to down Russian women.+1. I'd even say that this (admittedly sad) story is more likely to happen with a western woman. For Russian women, passion and emotions dominate above logic and reason. The feminine characters of Russian classic literature (Aglae Epantchine in "The Idiot", Grouchenka in "The Brothers Karamasov", Natasha Rostova in "War $ Peace", ect) are very representaive of this frame of mind. A Russian woman will follow you in hell if she has decided that has to do so.
AColonizer
01-08-12, 10:48
Good approach, but don't thank god and father, thank yourself: most users here have god and father and they haven't understood that yet! From a different point of view, a beautiful and piggish "wife" (but not marriage, just co-living) is the cheapest and best solution for a man. The real and genuine people live in a thousands-years-old social system that works with the misinformation, the misinformation is the social system! For the real and genuine people, the real love exists just with a glance of complicity, it never needs contracts, marriages, religions, real estate, cash. And therefore 90% of the stable relationships are lasting just because of good lifestyle, surely not for love. As you said, your friend has a good lifestyle and this is the reason for what his wife still stays with him (until she won't find anybody better).
I don't trust any woman! I always tell these guys on here p4p is the way. I got buddys, I want love! Cry me a fucking river, stop being stupid. Just enjoy a woman and realize that its going to end. I got one buddy that says he is unhappy at home thats why he wants to leave and be with his new girlfriend. (His wife is a pretty damn good wife to0) I say you stupid mother fucker if you think your unhappy now wait till your wife and three yound kids are done with you, this guys been married 20years, big house, toys and has nothing to be unhappy about. Anyway thank god the relationship with the mistress tanked because I really think the dumb fuck was going to leave his wife. Now he is happy he didn't do that! This ***** he was running with was 20 years younger then him I said sure she is fun but dotn leave your wife for her you dumb fuck! Kind of got off the storry but fact is all women do this to men. Most men are fuking stupid, thank god I had a dad that taught me right.
Markharding
01-13-12, 13:09
[QUOTE=Timtimtimtim]The whole country of Russia is not fast turning into a western society. Moscow, Tokyo, New York? Those only represent what the biggest country's biggest city means. Nobody goes to NYC or Tokyo to find the nicest sweetest girls. In the non-tourist normal cities and towns, Russia is still Russia, and will still be Russia for a long time, don't worry. And nothing could be better. It won't change, cause nobody's going there. Its too big, and too far east.Sure. As long as you are not embarrassed when people point at you "vot inastranse". He is here looking for girls for sex, the sex tourist. So, enlighten me, what do you tell people when they ask you what is a Western man doing in some remote eastern oblast in Russia, in a place where all Russian men want to get out? I bet you are going to say that you like their culture and you want to explore or you are some journalist writing an article.
Bo ha ha. They may be poor but they are not stupid.
Markharding
01-13-12, 13:23
I met a 30 year old Russian on a beach in Thailand, we spent the evening talking until 2am until finally swapping email addresses and going our seperate ways.
1. She was sharing a hotel room with a Russian guy who she maintains was not her boyfriend.
2. Does not drink alcohol.
3. Works in a corporate office as a beancounter.
4. I could not see any emotions as to whether she was interested in anything more than chat.
I have no exposure to Russian women so I could not read the situation.
What's the deal here?Please don't take notice of the negative replies who got, labeling you as "inexperienced" etc. I have rooted scores of Russian and Ukrainian girls over the past decade, normal girls / not prostitutes, and I can tell you that if I were in your situation, I would get a mixed signal.
1. The fact that she was with a man sharing the hotel room means nothing. She is staying with you, not with him, till 2AM. I have fucked many Russian women, who were with their husbands vacationing, even when the husband was a few meters behind. It is dangerous because these guys have no mercy, they will bash you till you become a vegetable, so you must be careful.
Anyway, she was game regardless of that dude in her room.
2. The fact that she did not drink alcohol tells me that she does not want to have sex. All Russian women lie about their drinking, that they do not drink etc. But as the night progress, they start drinking. And the more they drink, the more it is an invitation for sex. I mean when you are only 2, alone, together.
Also note, that Russian women are serial liars, so I do not believe one word that comes out of their mouth.
You were in a difficult situation, you got mixed signals, and please do not feel bad for not having sex with her. Even the most seasoned experienced guy may have done nothing in that situation.
But I hope this experience shed some light on the true natural character of these Russian women. In my opinion, great for sex. But as human beings, they are the lowest of the lowest.
Markharding
01-13-12, 13:50
Ppt,
&1084; &1086; &1083; &1086; &1076; &1077; &1094; ! Nothing wrong with you. Single moms between 25 & 35 are the undiscovered Mother Lode of Russia. The sadder but wiser girl for me, I always say.
You are very fortunate that you have the time to cultivate these kinds of relationships. Take full advantage of it while you can.Please guys. Do not mess with those single mother type of women. I mean, honestly, is it not a VERY LOW ACT to pray on an injured vulnerable woman, leading her on, insinuating that you are going to get serious and marry her, even worse, insinuating that you will become a step-father for her children.
Is it not a VERY LOW ACT to get the children attached to you, being nice to them, may be buy them toys and gifts, play with them, lead them to believe that you will become their future step-father, only to dump them with their mothers when you feel that it is time to move on to another victim and prey?
All this emotional mess to have sex?
Please get back to your senses. I say this because I have a very close friend who has done this, only last year, and he now regrets it. He cannot overcome his guilt.
I would rather masturbate, to be honest.
Please guys. Do not mess with those single mother type of women. I mean, honestly, is it not a VERY LOW ACT to pray on an injured vulnerable woman, leading her on, insinuating that you are going to get serious and marry her, even worse, insinuating that you will become a step-father for her children.
Is it not a VERY LOW ACT to get the children attached to you, being nice to them, may be buy them toys and gifts, play with them, lead them to believe that you will become their future step-father, only to dump them with their mothers when you feel that it is time to move on to another victim and prey?
All this emotional mess to have sex?
Please get back to your senses. I say this because I have a very close friend who has done this, only last year, and he now regrets it. He cannot overcome his guilt.
I would rather masturbate, to be honest.You state that all Russian women are serial liars than you go to some high moral ground of not messing with single mothers. Confused hobbyists, such as yourself, tarnish the image of men and women that simply would like to meet and enjoy themselves. There is no need to lie, manipulate, or what ever shit you think it takes to score women in the FSU. Russian milfs, all milfs of the world as a matter of fact, at times would like to take breaks from there mundane world and enjoy the companionship of another person. Is it so hard to believe that a single women may like to go out on a date and have sex with a stranger with no strings attached? Regardless of what you believe, true mongers do not spread grief only scary amateurs like you can do that.
Please guys. Do not mess with those single mother type of women. I mean, honestly, is it not a VERY LOW ACT to pray on an injured vulnerable woman, leading her on, insinuating that you are going to get serious and marry her, even worse, insinuating that you will become a step-father for her children.
Is it not a VERY LOW ACT to get the children attached to you, being nice to them, may be buy them toys and gifts, play with them, lead them to believe that you will become their future step-father, only to dump them with their mothers when you feel that it is time to move on to another victim and prey?
All this emotional mess to have sex?
Please get back to your senses. I say this because I have a very close friend who has done this, only last year, and he now regrets it. He cannot overcome his guilt.
I would rather masturbate, to be honest.Mark, I think you're missing the point here.
As Climaxnow said: Russian milfs, all milfs of the world as a matter of fact, at times would like to take breaks from there mundane world and enjoy the companionship of another person. Is it so hard to believe that a single women may like to go out on a date and have sex with a stranger with no strings attached?
I don't think for a second that Stravinsky was advocating an amoral, sexual scorched earth policy but just recognising what is basically true the world over.
And particularly so in Russia where many middle-aged women lead lives of 'quiet desperation' and are quite capable of spicing it up with an occasional, no-strings romp or two without convincing themselves or even desiring that a door has been opened into a new life in the sun.
I've finally reached my FILF (I hope!) Years and enjoy meeting this type of lady 'on tour' and assure you there are seldom any misunderstandings on either side.
VG.
Stravinsky
01-16-12, 08:15
I mean, honestly, is it not a VERY LOW ACT to pray on an injured vulnerable womanMarkharding,
I am sorry for you that you have such a low opinion of Russian women. If you spend more time with them, you will understand what Gergiev is trying to say. They are much more resilient than you might think (God bless 'em).
Perhaps you are the one who cannot overcome his guilt?
Markharding,
I am sorry for you that you have such a low opinion of Russian women.Don't know why you guys bother answer to such raving negative BS.
Dasha (32yo) and Tatiana (31yo) , last week at a georgian place. Shashliks were to die for. (smilie)
Gentleman Travel
01-16-12, 17:15
Mark, I think you're missing the point here.
As Climaxnow said: Russian milfs, all milfs of the world as a matter of fact, at times would like to take breaks from there mundane world and enjoy the companionship of another person. Is it so hard to believe that a single women may like to go out on a date and have sex with a stranger with no strings attached?
I don't think for a second that Stravinsky was advocating an amoral, sexual scorched earth policy but just recognising what is basically true the world over.
And particularly so in Russia where many middle-aged women lead lives of 'quiet desperation' and are quite capable of spicing it up with an occasional, no-strings romp or two without convincing themselves or even desiring that a door has been opened into a new life in the sun.
I've finally reached my FILF (I hope!) Years and enjoy meeting this type of lady 'on tour' and assure you there are seldom any misunderstandings on either side.I think the key here is not to mislead her with all kinds of marriage BS.
I agree with most of the posts here, that this can be a fun outing for them, of which they have too few in their difficult lives.
Focus on giving them a good time and they will remember the experience fondly.
But they know the score -that you are not going to "take them away from all this" - except for a night, a weekend, or a week in Paris!
I've finally reached my FILF (I hope!) Years and enjoy meeting this type of lady 'on tour' and assure you there are seldom any misunderstandings on either side. VG.It is personally with mid to upper class Russian MILFs (30-40 yo) that I've had some of the best uninhibited and UNCOMPLICATED sex. That said, they are often so attractive, nice, witty, smart, cultured, indulgent, fun, honest, emotional, passionate, loyal, unselfish and incentive that it is hard not putting a bit too much of emotions and commitment in the relationship. You can't find better women.
But they know the score -that you are not going to "take them away from all this"None of the Russian women I've had an adventure or a relationship with had any desire to be "taken away from all this". Despite their often intellectually and physically draining jobs and the harshness of Moscow or Piter's everyday life, they had NO desire to leave Russia. They have there a busy cultural and social life, they travel a lot, they have access to some of the best things their society has to offer, ect.
Of course, the Ukrainian MILF in Harkov or Nikolaiev working a modest job, having difficulties to make ends meet, single with a kid, ect, is a whole different matter, but personally it is not my target. I don't want to touch a "desesperate" woman with a 10" pole. Too complicated.
Gentleman Travel
01-16-12, 21:50
I agree with most of the posts here, that this can be a fun outing for them, of which they have too few in their difficult lives.
Focus on giving them a good time and they will remember the experience fondly.Actually, often it is not even about giving them a break from the everyday hardships. Is it about making them feel desired.
Russian women want to be admired and sexually desired. This is not unique to Russians, but is very much central to their psyche and culture, much more so than in North America.
And as a woman ages past her "best before date", and acquires the trappings of Russian womanhood (divorce, kids) she is less and less likely to experience this in her daily life.
So your pursuing her, admiring her, wining & dining her, and fucking her brains out, gives her a sense of self-worth and validates her as a human being.
She is likely to sincerely thank you for your attentions. She should be paying you.
She is likely to sincerely thank you for your attentions. She should be paying you.GT, with all due respect to your expertise, I think you miss the point, or maybe we don't talk about the same "target group". A sophisticated 8+ Russian woman, even at 30 yo, gets hitted 20 times a day, be it in her hometown or in vacations. I talked this weekend at a restaurant with a 33 yo professional from Moscow working for a big pharmaceutic firm and currently in business trip in Paris, who told me she had been hitted 100 times since she was here, and that she rejected all 100. All of my GFs told me the same thing. Those 8+ sophisticated MILF are perfectly aware of their "value". What they look for is not only to be desired (there would have millions of men able to fulfill this task) , but to be charmed by a CORRESPONDINGLY refined man aware of their culture and their psyche. That said, you are right in a way, they want to be sex objects to be seduced and dominated over and over again. But with the right man. Just to put things in perspective, so that the guys who read this thread don't get wrong. Russian women, MILFs included, are NOT easy targets.
Stravinsky
01-17-12, 07:11
Just to put things in perspective, so that the guys who read this thread don't get wrong. Russian women, MILFs included, are NOT easy targets.Well, at least not in Pareezh, anyway. (big smile)
.but to be charmed by a correspondingly refined man aware of their culture and their psyche. that said, you are right in a way, they want to be sex objects to be seduced and dominated over and over again. but with the right man. just to put things in perspective, so that the guys who read this thread don't get wrong. russian women, milfs included, are not easy targets.prosal,
you bring up an excellent point. i think that a lot of people who read this forum get the impression that russian women are easy targets. but they are not. and most certainly not if they are 8. 5+. i agree with you in that they know their relative worth and are not an easy target just because some dude says,"hey, honey, let's fuck". having said that, the sheer volume of such creatures in moscow (and some other places in russia) really helps the law of averages. i look at moscow as being one big "speed dating session". i was at a professional networking function earlier in the fall. the make up of the attendees were about 75% russian women (english speaking to one degree or another) and 25% foreign guys. it was clear that a significant percentage of the women (milfs included) were interested in "hooking up". but they were not going to hook up with just any guy. they were looking for the right combo of looks, charm, x-factor, etc. and it takes no more than about 60 seconds for one of these girls to decide if you are "dateable" or not. and if you aren't? hey, move on to the next one. if only a matter of time until you find one who's willing to take you for a spin.
in other societies, getting rejected within 60 seconds might make a guy reel and want to re-evaluate his approach, his wardrobe. whatever. but in moscow, it's just a signal to move on and try the next one. because there will be a next one.
But they were NOT going to hook up with just any guy.In my experience, Russian women put the highest emphasis on intellectual harmony, and if you fit in, there is no door really closed, contrarily to other countries (notally in Asia or SA) where it is virtually impossible for a foreigner to score in the higher strats of the society. I was lunching last summer with a Russian GF when two gorgeous high-class Russian women sat at the table adjacent, one was Vika Bonia (the other a well-known singer whose I forgot the name). We wittily chatted with them during one hour, and I intuitivelly felt that it was very very doable with Vika. Too bad I was accompanied (sight). It cemented my feeling that no girl is really "off limits" in Russia as long as you intellectually, socially and physically fit in.
Gentleman Travel
01-17-12, 23:39
GT, . maybe we don't talk about the same "target group". A sophisticated 8+ Russian woman, even at 30 yo, gets hitted 20 times a day, be it in her hometown or in vacations. I talked this weekend at a restaurant with a 33 yo professional from Moscow working for a big pharmaceutic firm and currently in business trip in Paris, who told me she had been hitted 100 times since she was here, and that she rejected all 100. All of my GFs told me the same thing. Those 8+ sophisticated MILF are perfectly aware of their "value".I don't pretend to be an expert. You and Jake each have 10X the experience I do, but I am surprised to hear that.
Maybe I am working further down the food chain than you are, because this is not my experience.
I am talking about women slightly older, maybe 35+- and maybe below 8 on your scale. I really get the sense they are under-serviced in the dating market.
I have had reasonable success getting dates with these women and probably 50% success rate of sex on first or second date.
Some of these have been in North American cities, where I certainly could not get a date with their North American equivalent.
These women are past the "first blush" of youth and feel it acutely. Sure they are still good looking and stylish. But there is a mass of younger and prettier girls crowding them out of the market. Somewhere between the girls I contact and the ones you contact, the mass of men must stop calling.
As for "easy". Well, that depends on your point of reference. Easy compared to dating and scoring with a North American woman in my situation (middle-aged and married)!
One of the fun features of dating Russian women is that sex is always on the table (well, maybe not literally) , and both parties know that. But it is relatively easy to get into the topic, even in early e-mails and on a date. Not that it is a foregone conclusion, but the woman is under no illusions about how you expect the evening to end, and will be seriously considering that possibility throughout.
. Of course, the Ukrainian MILF in Harkov or Nikolaiev working a modest job, having difficulties to make ends meet, single with a kid, ect, is a whole different matter, but personally it is not my target. I don't want to touch a "desesperate" woman with a 10" pole. Too complicated.Hello, Prosal,
Speaking about desperate women. I once dated a barely 18 years old girl from one of the Ukrainian provinces. She was slender and cute but spoke no English. She wanted me in spite of a 30 years age difference. The reason was that she had a child and wanted a sponsor. I could have had her for a few hundred euros a month. I passed.
I think there is a big difference between a pharmaceutical representative who goes on business trips to Paris, and a secretary, nurse, dentist or adminsitrative asssitant living in Kherson or even Kiev. One already lives among the bright lights and the other leads a dull and hard life and welcomes any chance to escape it.
When I travel to Kiev some of my best paid experiences have been with slightly "older" women, perhaps 30-35, who, despite being paid for the deed, appreciated being some gentle and hard sex with a (still relatively) handsome guy. HOW do I know they were genuine? Well, they performed well beyond the call of duty, cuddling for a while after the sex was over, staying the night, and doing it again in the morning or in the middle of the night, making me breakfast, making the bed, or giving an spontaneous good-bye BJ. I live in eastern Europe and most of my "free" action also comes from this group.
I don't pretend to be an expert. You and Jake each have 10X the experience I do, but I am surprised to hear that.
Maybe I am working further down the food chain than you are, because this is not my experience.
I am talking about women slightly older, maybe 35+- and maybe below 8 on your scale. I really get the sense they are under-serviced in the dating market.
I have had reasonable success getting dates with these women and probably 50% success rate of sex on first or second date.
Some of these have been in North American cities, where I certainly could not get a date with their North American equivalent.
These women are past the "first blush" of youth and feel it acutely. Sure they are still good looking and stylish. But there is a mass of younger and prettier girls crowding them out of the market. Somewhere between the girls I contact and the ones you contact, the mass of men must stop calling.
As for "easy". Well, that depends on your point of reference. Easy compared to dating and scoring with a North American woman in my situation (middle-aged and married)!
One of the fun features of dating Russian women is that sex is always on the table (well, maybe not literally) , and both parties know that. But it is relatively easy to get into the topic, even in early e-mails and on a date. Not that it is a foregone conclusion, but the woman is under no illusions about how you expect the evening to end, and will be seriously considering that possibility throughout.
Dasha (32yo) and Tatiana (31yo) , last week at a georgian place. Shashliks were to die for. (smilie)Ah, Prosal, come on now, please stop it!
You're damaging our morale with all these outstanding conquests. :)
the other a well-known singer whose I forgot the nameNot Alla Pugacheva, I hope.
Or on second thoughts, maybe better if it was.
About time you pulled a dud!
I think that a lot of people who read this forum get the impression that Russian women are easy targets. But they are not. But they are not. And most CERTAINLY not if they are 8. 5+. I agree with you in that they know their relative worth
That said, you are right in a way, they want to be sex objects to be seduced and dominated over and over again. But with the right man. Just to put things in perspective, so that the guys who read this thread don't get wrong. Russian women, MILFs included, are NOT easy targets.Another good point, gents.
A number of years back, I had a great night with a real beautiful 40-ish Russian ex-pat back to see her family in St Petersburg.
When we returned to our respective countries, we stayed in contact via e-mail on the possibility we would hook up again some day for another tryst.
The opportunity arose after another 2 years when I made a detour to meet her in her home town when flying back across Europe.
However I arrived jaded, drank a little too much to try and liven myself up and the final straw was when she discovered I'd booked a very average hotel in a dodgy part of town.
She took her leave of me on the street, there and then, leaving me with a chaste night and ample time to reflect on my technique!
Moral of the story: treat these girls like the diamonds they believe themselves to be.
VG
This joke seemed particularly appropriate considering this current thread. I was talking to a friend of mine this morning who reminded me that;
"It's easier to get laid in Moscow that it is to rent a car"
Borderland
02-01-12, 11:47
Prosal,
In other societies, getting rejected within 60 seconds might make a guy reel and want to re-evaluate his approach, his wardrobe. Whatever. But in Moscow, it's just a signal to move on and try the next one. Because there WILL be a next one.That made me smile, so true. I've been rejected numerous times in the FSU and I've never let it get me down for a moment, you just immediately move onto another without a second thought. I think the reason for that in part is because as long as you approach politely, every Russian woman, no matter how hot or high class, will hear you out and give you a chance, a shot at the title so to speak. And then if she is not interested she will let you know with tact. Compare that to the UK where when I'm in a club and walk up to a table of semi attractive girls, due to their own self esteem issues they will often tell you to 'fuck off' before you've opened your mouth! That hurts more because you've been disrespected by a girl who was not even a tenth as hot as the 24 year old hot Lomonosov educated student you were banging last week in Moscow. It's something I've noticed about Russian women; they have a surprisingly lack of ego and chips on their shoulders considering their level of attractiveness. Pope John Paul the second put it down to Soviet cartoons having a great influence on Soviet children. Maybe the BBC / NBC / Canal Plus etc. Should start playing re-runs of Cheburashka and Nu Pogadi.
I think the reason for that in part is because as long as you approach politely, every Russian woman, no matter how hot or high class, will hear you out and give you a chance, a shot at the title so to speak. And then if she is not interested she will let you know with tact. It's something I've noticed about Russian women; they have a surprisingly lack of ego and chips on their shoulders considering their level of attractiveness. Pope John Paul the second put it down to Soviet cartoons having a great influence on Soviet children. Maybe the BBC / NBC / Canal Plus etc. Should start playing re-runs of Cheburashka and Nu Pogadi.BL, I suspect this is because they are still in touch with their own natural selves and haven't been completely feminised like many women in the West.
Once upon a time, women knew how to think for themselves and understood that any approach was to be appreciated and accepted/rejected with decorum.
In fact, it was a validation of their womanhood and attractiveness.
Has to be said men were less boorish then too and knew the signals that meant it was time to move along and not pursue an impossible cause.
Ah, the good old days...
Excepticus
02-03-12, 09:49
BL, I suspect this is because they are still in touch with their own natural selves and haven't been completely feminised like many women in the West.
Once upon a time, women knew how to think for themselves and understood that any approach was to be appreciated and accepted / rejected with decorum.
In fact, it was a validation of their womanhood and attractiveness.
Has to be said men were less boorish then too and knew the signals that meant it was time to move along and not pursue an impossible cause.
Ah, the good old days.Despite this thread is for opinions about Russian women (and I value them). You are all getting too philosophical.
My point it's easy. Who cares about a 200 pound cow in England. We have the best women we could ever want. Open minded. Easy to talk. They can also easily turn you down. What the hell. Let's be honest. This is part of the game and the fun. If we were always succesful. It would be also boring.
We have to laugh about ourselfs and the missed oportunities. The times the girl look at you. And say šno thank youš. We have all suffered it and enjoy it. And most probably the most pleasant thought is when you are screwing a hot girl. And you think at the same time about the comments your post will get.
I love this game.
It's Friday and awfully cold. Let's see what we score this weekend.
Good luck!
Russian Interior Ministry statistics (seconded by UNHCR and some ONG) say that a total of 14, 000 women die annually from domestic violence in Russia, which makes one each 40 minutes.
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7441370-russia-domestic-violence-against-women-on-the-rise
No wonder why foreigners are successful in FSU.
I'm not sure if this belongs in this thread or the one called "Dating Russian Women", but here goes.
As many of you know I live in Moscow now for all practical purposes. I keep an apartment, date a few Russian women and consider myself beyond the novice level (but by no means an expert) when dealing with Russian females both on a personal and professional basis.
Recently, one very interesting observation has come to mind. Russian women are extremely pragmatic. OK, I suppose I am not the first one to bring this up, but the other day I came across a sparkling example. I was having drinks with some business associates on a Thursday night when the the subject of extra marital affairs came up. Now, we had all had plenty to drink and one very attractive woman in her late 20's said without any hesitation that she was having an affair with a man (who was also married) and that it was not her first affair since being married from the age of 23.
I decided to inquire a little deeper into the subject and she quite freely explained that while her husband was kind, stable (read a good provider) , a good father to her child (and future children) , and a good husband insofar as he did not beat her and did not come home drunk every night, she was not in love with him and never had been. She went on to say that she chose him 'FOR THIS PURPOSE" of making a family and that love and sexual satisfaction had little to do with it. She found northing wrong with seeking love and sex elsewhere so long as she took steps to be discreet.
She could see that I was intrigued (if not puzzled) by her response and went on further to say that in Russia you don't go seeking the perfect life unless you are an oligarch's daughter. The idea of falling in love, getting married, making a life and having children (in that order) is a bit of a fantasy and if you go into a relationship with this ideal, you will surely be disappointed and live your life in misery. She told me that she and her friends all believe that girls always fall in love with the "wrong man".
In the wake of the Presidential election on Sunday, I am starting to understand why Putin won 64% of the vote. People may not be in love with Vladimir Putin, he is clearly a good provider and a source of stability.
Jake,
Interesting observation.
There is an excellent book out there called "The Whisperers: Private Life in Stalin's Russia" by Orlando Fidges. In it, there is an insight into why Russian women still today marry and have "affairs" as we know them. First and foremost the young women from that period looked for an older man because he could usually offer them more than a younger man could. He was set in life, offer a bigger apartment, car, more rations etc. While these men may not have been exciting, they were stable, good providers and offered a future. Did they always scratch that itch between the legs? No, so the younger men sometimes filled that role, or other older men who may have been able to offer them short term benefits. Conversely, those who married a young man and lived five to a 10m2 apartment would see her short term affairs as being with an older man to get some advantages.
I've experienced that same thing. Not only in my sponsorships but in everyday life. I have been surprised by some of the offers I have received (well, in the early days anyway) and until I read about it in the book I had never really understood it.
So, how was she? .
Jake,
Interesting observation.
There is an excellent book out there called "The Whisperers: Private Life in Stalin's Russia" by Orlando Fidges. So, how was she? .I have heard of that book and have meant to read it. I have read,"A People's Tragedy" also by Fidges, and really enjoyed his writing style. BTW. Did yo know that "The Whisperers" is banned in Russia?
Not to put too fine a point in it, she was (is) spectacular. I am in my 50's and THIS is where it's at. Forget the hookers, forget the single girls. These married girls KNOW what they want. They KNOW why they are doing it. No drama, no games. They don't want to go to the clubs, they don't want to go to fancy restaurants, and they don't want money. They just want to come to your place, get some attention and fuck. You have great sex for several hours after work and then at about 23:00, they have to go home! So you walk them to the metro like a gentleman and head to the bar!
I'm not sure if this belongs in this thread or the one called "Dating Russian Women", but here goes.
As many of you know I live in Moscow now for all practical purposes. I keep an apartment, date a few Russian women and consider myself beyond the novice level (but by no means an expert) when dealing with Russian females both on a personal and professional basis.
Recently, one very interesting observation has come to mind. Russian women are extremely pragmatic. OK, I suppose I am not the first one to bring this up, but the other day I came across a sparkling example. I was having drinks with some business associates on a Thursday night when the the subject of extra marital affairs came up. Now, we had all had plenty to drink and one very attractive woman in her late 20's said without any hesitation that she was having an affair with a man (who was also married) and that it was not her first affair since being married from the age of 23.
I decided to inquire a little deeper into the subject and she quite freely explained that while her husband was kind, stable (read a good provider) , a good father to her child (and future children) , and a good husband insofar as he did not beat her and did not come home drunk every night, she was not in love with him and never had been. She went on to say that she chose him 'FOR THIS PURPOSE" of making a family and that love and sexual satisfaction had little to do with it. She found northing wrong with seeking love and sex elsewhere so long as she took steps to be discreet.
She could see that I was intrigued (if not puzzled) by her response and went on further to say that in Russia you don't go seeking the perfect life unless you are an oligarch's daughter. The idea of falling in love, getting married, making a life and having children (in that order) is a bit of a fantasy and if you go into a relationship with this ideal, you will surely be disappointed and live your life in misery. She told me that she and her friends all believe that girls always fall in love with the "wrong man".
In the wake of the Presidential election on Sunday, I am starting to understand why Putin won 64% of the vote. People may not be in love with Vladimir Putin, he is clearly a good provider and a source of stability.Jake,
Thanks for this enlightment on Russian women psyche. Interesting indeed. But don't you think that what is rather unique is that they can mix pragmatism with an enormous potential of emotion and passion? . My experience is that in every Russian woman there is a Anna Karenine or a Natasha Rostova, and that there is a deep-seated belief, typically Russian, for fate and tragedy, which make them the most passionate and emotional creatures on the planet (and wonderful lovers). This per example doesn't exist in Asian women, who are usually very very pragmatic, but also totally cold-hearted and unpassionate.
.But don't you think that what is rather unique is that they can mix pragmatism with an enormous potential of emotion and passion?I could not agree with you more. Taking it one step further, I believe that Russian women can find it possible to be IN LOVE with a man who is not her husband and carry on a quasi affair for years while remaining married to another man. This ability to "compartmentalize" different aspects of their lives is astonishing. And in keeping with the spirit of International Women's Day, I would like to congratulate ALL women out there and wish you peace and happiness.
In the wake of the Presidential election on Sunday, I am starting to understand why Putin won 64% of the vote. People may not be in love with Vladimir Putin, he is clearly a good provider and a source of stability.
Leaving the, erm, 64% (no laughing at the back, please) out of it, a better summation than all the thousands of other words in various articles I've read in the last few days!
Did yo know that "The Whisperers" is banned in Russia? .
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat???
For real???
So, how was she?
Not to put too fine a point in it, she was (is) spectacular.
I must be slowing up, Jake, as I hadn't taken it for granted from your report that you moved in for 'Coup de Grace'??? :)
I must be slowing up, Jake, as I hadn't taken it for granted from your report that you moved in for 'Coup de Grace'??? :)I just assumed after a conversation like that, a seasoned professional like Jake wouldn't let that past him without having a go. And I'm glad to hear she was worth it!
I've been the married route a few times (one memorable one was the mother / daughter combo of '07) but always paid for the service. Never really followed the freebie trail. We have plenty in the office who would fall into this pool of potential. Might be worth exploring. I'm short of a couple of sponsorettes from the doghouse, might look at this to fill the gap?
Cheers.
Dog
I just assumed after a conversation like that, a seasoned professional like Jake wouldn't let that past him without having a go. And I'm glad to hear she was worth it!
I've been the married route a few times (one memorable one was the mother / daughter combo of '07) but always paid for the service. Never really followed the freebie trail. We have plenty in the office who would fall into this pool of potential. Might be worth exploring. I'm short of a couple of sponsorettes from the doghouse, might look at this to fill the gap?
Cheers.
DogYou guys are giving me too much credit this time. She was quite aggressive and made it quite clear that she wanted sex. She was and still is worth it. But there's a downside too. She's got her own life and her own schedule. I can't just call her whenever I feel like it and ask her to come over for a "roll in the hay". But it's certainly worth exploring as an alternative source of talent.
i was in piter for the last five days. i sticked to freebie scene in rossi club. unfortunately i have to admit that had no score but two balls hit the goal post.
one was a a bit fat blonde. she was drunk and she was pushing me for a moment and hugging and giving me a kiss another point. you should see that. she was telling me go and pulling me with her hands for a dance.
another was a woman with a daughter and good carreer named olga. i left her home with taxi and she wanted to meet me in hermitage museum tomorrow. unfortunately i had to get back tomorrow so i couldn't accept her offer.
except these two, i get thousands of "no!","i am sorry" and push with hands. something i am very curious about is these close friends. i really don't understand them. you talk to a girl. she looks ok with this and suddenly in a second her close friends come and grabs her and bring to a far corner and tell me "sorry we have to go!"i really don't understand this and feel very angry with it. is this a protection for her or what? yeah but she can go easily if she doesn't want to talk or is this a jealous behaviour or what? look at the third night on this post.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?770-moscow&p=1193955&viewfull=1#post1193955
and the second thing that i want to understand is they are ok with foreign guys or they always prefer to be with a russian man? because when i was there many russian guys had gf's easily. i am 33 years old and fat. moreover i can't speak russian. maybe it's the reason but i am really confused about it. yes a russian guy will be more stable more hopefull for a ltr but when i was talking to olga she told me she wouldn't be with a russian guy because of level (she shows her head with a finger and make a circle. she works in a italian company btw.) and then why i get these so much no? anyway at the end of night she didn't accept my offer to come to my house and didn't deceived my other games in the taxi (can i come to your apartment? please i really drink too much beer! i must [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) asap!)
finally i discovered maybe i am using the wrong methods to approach and probably many foreing guys making the same mistake. go directly touch her and try to kiss on dance floor. they don't like it. maybe a true aprroachment strategy must be something like that;
1) smile her on dance floor.
2) do some remarkable dance figures and smile her again.
3) say something to her ear. (priviet, kak vaz zavut? do you speak english?)
4) if she is ok with it. get closer and dance with her together during a song and don't forget to keep smiling and to look happy with it.
5) ask for a drink. they usually don't refuse for a drink and if she is a * she takes the drink and go talk with other guys.
6) when you are having the drink, talk to her as much as possible. talk about her preferrations of food, music, life. you like here so much and another important point; you are really here in this club for the first time."my hotel or apartment is very close to here. normally i don't come such places."
7) if everything goes fine, ask for a second drink. talk more sincerely. (again a very important point. pay attention for close friends. be in a good relationship with them but not too much! they shouldn't think that you are hanging on both of (or three of) them. in this short time period they should visit her for a few times to check everything fine or just give her bag because she will go toilet. (of course they are checking if everything fine or very curious about what kind of a man is this that my friend talk to)
8) get closer. touch her. say something directly to her ear. ask for dancing again. try to touch and hug and kiss as much as possible on that second dance. get back to bar. drink one more. if you can make her drunk you will have three times more luck for a happy end in your hotel. touch her, hug her, get closer. leave the stupid chat about what is your favourite color, how much you like russian cuisine or how cold is your country bullsheet. now it's time to get closer and closer.
9) tell her you want to be sure that she arrive home safely so you want to leave her home or ask for just a coffee in your room. if you are on first option try i need to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) tactic or other thing. if you are on second option you did it. congratulations!
i am open for your furher discussions or advices. i am just a few times in russian clubs. just wanted to share my experinces with newbies.
ciao.
Gentleman Travel
04-03-12, 20:11
or even for forgiveness!
This is from a thread on the Kiev board, but I thought it had more general application to all EE women, and in fact to women almost anywhere. Including the West / USA.
The (too few) times I have been bold have led to my greatest successes with Ukrainian & Russian women and EE women living in the West.
The times I have acted like I was dealing with western women, I have had to struggle to succeed.
I was once upon a time also just a western guy doing it the western way, but realized that command is a better way to go with most women (also in the west and also after 10 years of relation). No experience in Ukraine yet, but the "don't ask, just do" principle works everywhere. Photos, anal sex, videos, gagging, just do it without asking for f*cking permission always. She can say NO easily so why put her in the awkward position of saying YES to something that will clearly make her look like the first class cum sl*t she might be?
BarbaI think this is excellent advice, especially for EE women, but probably for almost any women.
We have been conditioned to be timid and to seek "permission" at every step of a relationship / make-out session and this is bad for everyone.
Bad for us, because it denies us the pleasures we desire, plus the dominance we yearn for.
Bad for her, because it puts her in the position Barba describes, of having to say YES to our dirty-minded suggestions, when she can simply acquiesce and have the pleasure of being a sex toy without having the embarrassment of admitting she wants to be.
Bad for the relationship, because fundamentally women want to be dominated and are disappointed by our hesitation to be "real men".
I have found this in my relationships with EE women and I have found this with my relationship with my wife, which got a lot better after I refused to accept excuses from her and demanded regular sex, which made both of us a lot happier.
I realize that I have still been reluctant to force a more aggressive sexual agenda (different positions, more oral) on her, instead trying to get her to talk about new things. Like marriage counselors tell you to.
That is a dead-end, she is never going to want to talk about blow jobs or being tied up, if I want it, I will just have to keep pushing until she says NO (with meaning).
or even for forgiveness!
This is from a thread on the Kiev board, but I thought it had more general application to all EE women, and in fact to women almost anywhere. Including the West / USA.
I think this is excellent advice, especially for EE women, but probably for almost any women.
We have been conditioned to be timid and to seek "permission" at every step of a relationship / make-out session and this is bad for everyone.
Bad for us, because it denies us the pleasures we desire, plus the dominance we yearn for.
Bad for her, because it puts her in the position Barba describes, of having to say YES to our dirty-minded suggestions, when she can simply acquiesce and have the pleasure of being a sex toy without having the embarrassment of admitting she wants to be.
Bad for the relationship, because fundamentally women want to be dominated and are disappointed by our hesitation to be "real men".
I have found this in my relationships with EE women and I have found this with my relationship with my wife, which got a lot better after I refused to accept excuses from her and demanded regular sex, which made both of us a lot happier.
I realize that I have still been reluctant to force a more aggressive sexual agenda (different positions, more oral) on her, instead trying to get her to talk about new things. Like marriage counselors tell you to.
That is a dead-end, she is never going to want to talk about blow jobs or being tied up, if I want it, I will just have to keep pushing until she says NO (with meaning).We all know that with Russian women, one has to be manly, forward, direct and uncompromising. BUT you need combining it with humour, intelligence, empahty, respect, sentimentality and sensitivity. Being solely rude and oafish will lead you nowhere. I find Barba statements about photos and videos a pretty ugly behavior. When a girl understands that you don't respect her, she'll give you no respect either.
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I have found this in my relationships with EE women and I have found this with my relationship with my wife, which got a lot better after I refused to accept excuses from her and demanded regular sex, which made both of us a lot happier.I agree. Being a little pushy with the pretty lady can eventually pay off in a big way.
I was involved in a steady relationship with an attractive woman. At first our sex life was okay. But it went downhill, and we weren't having as much sex as I wanted to. So I decided to take this matter literally into my hands. When she was stepping over me to get on the other side of the bed, I grabbed her pussy through her panties and gave it a good rub. It was an opportunity I couldn't resist, because her legs were spread wide apart. She didn't say anything in response and just lay down on the bed with her back towards me. Without thinking twice, I quickly reached between her legs, plunged my hand inside her panties, spread her pussy-lips, found her clitoris and started masturbating it a little using her own pussy-lips. Then all of a sudden I heard a loud slap and felt pain on my pussy-hand. Apparently, my pretty lady slapped my hand real hard as a way of saying a big 'No! ' to me.
I didn't know she could be so strong. Her slap on my hand was painful indeed, and quickly remove my hand from her pussy I certainly did. I was upset about it of course. And the next morning I was ready to leave her. But she took my hand and rubbed it on her tits and on her pussy. And such persuasion from her I couldn't resist. I grabbed her pussy through her pants. She spread her legs to let me feel her pussy. And I proceeded to massage her pussy right through her pants with a firm hand, until she shuddered in what looked to me like a reasonable orgasm.
After this, she let me massage and masturbate her pussy, whenever I felt like it. And I took advantage of her good will to create a sexual habit for her. I bought plenty of lube and set up a masturbation program for her, where I would masturbate her pussy to orgasm every day at exactly the same time of the day. I even set an alarm clock to make sure I started massaging and masturbating her pussy at exactly the same time of the day, every day. She got so used to having orgasm at this time of the day that after a while I didn't need my alarm clock anymore. She started to remind me gently it was that time of the day for her.
In psychology, this kind of habituation is called temporal conditioning. Basically, her body got used to being sexually aroused at the same time of the day every day. And because of this, her sexual arousal began to happen automatically, just because it was that time of the day.
Our relationship improved a lot as a result of such daily pleasure for her. Whenever we would have a disagreement and she would get angry at me, I would do whatever was necessary to resolve our disagreement quickly. And then I would grab her pussy and masturbate her to orgasm right through her clothing to seal our peace deal. After a while she even started to joke about it. First, she would point to her pussy and say to me that this is my wife. And then she would point to my right hand and say that this is her husband.
Gentlemen:
I have a friend. Mid 50's. Just got put on disability a year ago because of an accident at work. Approximately 10 years ago he goes to Russian and meets "the love of his life" at a romance social. 1st mistake. The letter's flow and he goes back and sees her and files for a Fiancee Visa with immigration and brings her and her teenage son and daughter to "the land of the big PX".2nd mistake. He is from Wyoming and has no education except a GED. Has a good union job and makes a 110K per year. She doesn't like Wyoming (she is from Kingissep) and talks him into giving up his seniority and moving to the Pacific Northwest. Well, her being a city girl she wants the best house, car, money. 2K purses. The list goes on an on. Fast forward 9 years. He's injured and placed on disibility and she now has a green card, good job, and her kids have been educated compliments of his 401K. On top of that he got her son out of being drafted into the Russian army. She decides that she doesn't want him around all the time and says she wants out. THEN the credit card bills arrive to the tune of 57K. He get's hung for all of it and has to declare bankruptcy. The house is stripped of the leather couches and all the goodies when he come home to a restraining order. He has to pay income tax on the 401K loans and is virtually BROKE. And disabled with no job. When you meet these girls BEWARE! They are no different than the ladies here in the US. Sometimes worse and the legal system protects them to no end from the "sex-maniac" Americans. Trust me gents the word is out over there on how to clean someone out and leave. P4P for ever!Perhaps the lady this guy married wasn't a P4P lady. She was just an average woman from Russia with unrealistic expectations in USA.
I've known a couple other guys who married Russian women. These women probably never worked P4P, and their sexual attitude sucked. Their guys these ladies labeled as sex maniacs, when they found the guys' porn stashes. And of course, these guys didn't get to have much sex with their Russian wives, even the most simple sex in the missionary position.
I'd say that if you are going to marry a Russian woman, then marry a P4P lady, who has decided to retire. Because you probably will have a lot better understanding with her than you will have with a woman, whom you meet through a dating agency.
I'd say that if you are going to marry a Russian woman, then marry a P4P lady, who has decided to retire. Because you probably will have a lot better understanding with her than you will have with a woman, whom you meet through a dating agency.This is total BS nonsense. I have never met a Russian woman that wasn't a freak in bed. They are into the hard-core, long and passionate no holds barred sex. They like it rough and dirty. They are sexual bombs. All of them.
This is total BS nonsense. I have never met a Russian woman that wasn't a freak in bed. They are into the hard-core, long and passionate no holds barred sex. They like it rough and dirty. They are sexual bombs. All of them.It sounds like you've met only P4P Russian ladies and not normal people off the street.
If you go to bars and look for ladies to sleep with, then you will probably find them. But they aren't necessarily representative of the general population.
The Russian women I've known were religious women, whose anti-sex attitude was a part of their religious beliefs. And women like this you might meet and become friends with through non-P4P dating websites and places.
And if you think that a religious woman won't take advantage of you financially, then you are wrong. Because if she thinks that you are a sinner, then this justifies in her mind her punishing you financially during divorce and separation.
It sounds like you've met only P4P Russian ladies and not normal people off the street.
If you go to bars and look for ladies to sleep with, then you will probably find them. But they aren't necessarily representative of the general population.
The Russian women I've known were religious women, whose anti-sex attitude was a part of their religious beliefs. And women like this you might meet and become friends with through non-P4P dating websites and places.
And if you think that a religious woman won't take advantage of you financially, then you are wrong. Because if she thinks that you are a sinner, then this justifies in her mind her punishing you financially during divorce and separation.You're talking about something you don't know shit about, as after a quick search on your post historic, it seems that you have never been nor in Russia nor in any FSU country.
Man, you are really full of shit.
Don't know why I even bother to answer to such raving nonsense.
The Russian women I've known were religious women, whose anti-sex attitude was a part of their religious beliefs. And women like this you might meet and become friends with through non-P4P dating websites and places.I have never crossed an anti-sex attitude among Russians. To be honest, the real sex demons can be found in the church.
Stravinsky
04-15-12, 23:18
The Russian women I've known were religious women, whose anti-sex attitude was a part of their religious beliefs.WTF?
Russian women have no problem reconciling their religious beliefs with their sexual desires. Forget about the strip clubs, the night clubs, the bars and watering holes. Probably one of the most lucrative hunting grounds for mongers are the Russian churches.
Today is Easter in Russia, and the churches are full of gorgeous babes, their heads bowed low, covered with scarves, asking forgiveness for their sins. After the services, their religious passion can easily be turned into another kind of passion.
Wondering where all the Aurora and Penthouse girls disappeared to today? That's where you guys should be!
As they say in Russia," There can be no confession, without sin!"
As they say in Russia," There can be no confession, without sin!"Amen brother. Last night about 22:00 there were about 300 gorgeous babes in White Square observing an Easter multi-media presentation on the wall of the old white church. Funnily enough, when the presentation was over they all took off their headscarves piled into the local bars.
WTF?
Russian women have no problem reconciling their religious beliefs with their sexual desires. Forget about the strip clubs, the night clubs, the bars and watering holes. Probably one of the most lucrative hunting grounds for mongers are the Russian churches.
Today is Easter in Russia, and the churches are full of gorgeous babes, their heads bowed low, covered with scarves, asking forgiveness for their sins. After the services, their religious passion can easily be turned into another kind of passion.
Wondering where all the Aurora and Penthouse girls disappeared to today? That's where you guys should be!
As they say in Russia," There can be no confession, without sin!"My views are based on my experience with Russian women and not on logical reasoning. What seems logical quite often isn't true, because some of your assumptions often are wrong. That's why science based on evidence and not philosophical reasoning is the way to know what's true and what's not true.
There are many non-religious people who pretend to be religious during Easter and during Christmas. And they of course behave like atheists in their lives. But there are also Orthodox nuns who never drink at bars or sleep with guys. And of course, there are many religious women who aren't nuns, but they behave somewhat like nuns, because this is their ideal model of behavior, even when they are married. Marriage for them is to have children and not for sexual entertainment.
In any country, there is a diversity of people. Not everybody is the same. Only those who are ignorant about the country say that everybody is the same. They stereotype the whole people due to their limited experience with the people there.
Stravinsky
04-16-12, 15:15
My views are based on my experience with Russian women and not on logical reasoning.So are mine.
What seems logical quite often isn't true, because some of your assumptions often are wrong.I agree, absolutely.
That's why science based on evidence and not philosophical reasoning is the way to know what's true and what's not true.You're absolutely right.
In any country, there is a diversity of people. Not everybody is the same. Only those who are ignorant about the country say that everybody is the same. They stereotype the whole people due to their limited experience with the people there.I couldn't agree with you more. You have described your position very well.
Can we stop this silliness now? You're using up valuable bandwidth.
Can we stop this silliness now? You're using up valuable bandwidth.This thread is for opinions and advice about Russian women. But not everybody's advice and opinion is equally good to follow. It's important to get at the truth, especially when opinions contradict each other.
I think in every relatively free society, including Russia, people range from sexually conservative to sexually liberated in their behavior. And some people are unstable in their behavior. They keep swinging back and forth between conservative and liberated sexual behavior. And these undecided people are the ones you need to be very careful with. Because you may marry a Russian woman who seems to be sexually liberated, but then a couple years later she may decide to get religious and start behaving almost like a nun with you.
This kind of thing does happen. I've seen it happen. And that's why you need to look at how stable the woman's beliefs and behavior are, even if she seems to be sexually liberated now.
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