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Kalifornication
02-08-09, 05:31
Crossed the border from USA to Canada. Stopped and searched by immigration. They discovered that I was in Cuba but no problem as usual as I carried no contrband.

HOWEVER, ... agent took me to the side and said: "listen, ... it all does not matter any more, .... we have received the memo and the travel restriction for all USA persons will be lifted in from 1-2 weeks. Is the party over? I think not, but maybe.

PincheCabron
02-08-09, 09:57
Whoa that soon. Those rumours have surfaced before but nothing happened. The travel ban will definitely be lifted this year I believe but in a few weeks? I doubt it. The party ended awhile back and let's be honest; I don't see how americans can screw up cuba more than it's been already by europe and canada. It should be interesting how cuba handles that influx and what the gringo tourists will make of that %20 surcharge from a country worse off economically than any in that region.



Crossed the border from USA to Canada. Stopped and searched by immigration. They discovered that I was in Cuba but no problem as usual as I carried no contrband.

HOWEVER, ... agent took me to the side and said: "listen, ... it all does not matter any more, .... we have received the memo and the travel restriction for all USA persons will be lifted in from 1-2 weeks. Is the party over? I think not, but maybe.

Kalifornication
02-09-09, 00:05
Whoa that soon. Those rumours have surfaced before but nothing happened. The travel ban will definitely be lifted this year I believe but in a few weeks? I doubt it. The party ended awhile back and let's be honest; I don't see how americans can screw up cuba more than it's been already by europe and canada. It should be interesting how cuba handles that influx and what the gringo tourists will make of that %20 surcharge from a country worse off economically than any in that region.


I doubt if Cuba is worse off than most, ... in fact, I'd argue, given their socialism, that they are better off then most, ... but that issue is for another discussion.

As for the 20% charge on american currecny, in my belief, that too will end shortly. If the USA is willing to lift the travel restriction, Cuba will, in my small opinion, remove the 10% penalty. This is nothing more than a prelude to the real issue which will be a discussion re the normalization of US/Cuban relations. This is no small gesture to Cuba given the fact that every American tourist that will hit the ground will sepend from $1000-$2000 US. The US wants to appease the Miami mafia, that will amount to a negotiation of compensation for property nationalized post 1959. Since the Cubans will have more capital given the lifting of the travel restrictions, I am certain they will negotiate a settlement for say, $.40 on the dollar.

Once this issue is resolved, the blocade falls.

This again, is just my small opinion.

Digital Curry
02-09-09, 02:57
Darenesq is a standup guy. He had the pleasure of seeing me tear it up. I finally speak fluent spanish and my game has never been better.

There were so many hotties going at the same time my head nearly spun off.

But the party is definately over. Used to be you didn't need spanish, you didn't need a car, nor nice clothes. In 2000 two hand gestures were all that were necessary. "Come here" "Let's fuck. "

Last three years was the after party.

Next two years is cleaning up the empty bottles and puke.

After that is Cuba will be as good as suburban New Jersey.

We all fucked it up by paying more than $5 per girl. You'll should've been eco-tourists. Instead you trashed Cuba over paying. The same as dumping garbage in Yosemite.

Americans will come. Prices for casas and girls will go thru the roof. Plus soon Helm-Burton Act will be gone and old chevys will become ford escorts.

Good looking cuban guys will have new suzuki motos and Cubanas won't give you the time of day.

Don't think girls now empowered won't abuse their power and become American Bitches.

If you haven't been there before, don't bother. And if you don't have game forget-about-it.

I wish you all could've seen me in my glory, last Wednesday, Feb 4, 2009. The Aristotlean peak of Mongering.

Ciao Piscow!


I doubt if Cuba is worse off than most, ... in fact, I'd argue, given their socialism, that they are better off then most, ... but that issue is for another discussion.

As for the 20% charge on american currecny, in my belief, that too will end shortly. If the USA is willing to lift the travel restriction, Cuba will, in my small opinion, remove the 10% penalty. This is nothing more than a prelude to the real issue which will be a discussion re the normalization of US/Cuban relations. This is no small gesture to Cuba given the fact that every American tourist that will hit the ground will sepend from $1000-$2000 US. The US wants to appease the Miami mafia, that will amount to a negotiation of compensation for property nationalized post 1959. Since the Cubans will have more capital given the lifting of the travel restrictions, I am certain they will negotiate a settlement for say, $.40 on the dollar.

Once this issue is resolved, the blocade falls.

This again, is just my small opinion.

Digital Curry
02-09-09, 02:59
Darenesq is a standup guy. He had the pleasure of seeing me tear it up. I finally speak fluent spanish and my game has never been better.

There were so many hotties going at the same time my head nearly spun off.

But the party is definately over. Used to be you didn't need spanish, you didn't need a car, nor nice clothes. In 2000 two hand gestures were all that were necessary. "Come here" "Let's fuck. "

Last three years was the after party.

Next two years is cleaning up the empty bottles and puke.

After that is Cuba will be as good as suburban New Jersey.

We all fucked it up by paying more than $5 per girl. You'll should've been eco-tourists. Instead you trashed Cuba over paying. The same as dumping garbage in Yosemite.

Americans will come. Prices for casas and girls will go thru the roof. Plus soon Helm-Burton Act will be gone and old chevys will become ford escorts.

Good looking cuban guys will have new suzuki motos and Cubanas won't give you the time of day.

Don't think girls now empowered won't abuse their power and become American Bitches.

If you haven't been there before, don't bother. And if you don't have game forget-about-it.

I wish you all could've seen me in my glory, last Wednesday, Feb 4, 2009. The Aristotlean peak of Mongering.

Ciao Piscow!


I doubt if Cuba is worse off than most, ... in fact, I'd argue, given their socialism, that they are better off then most, ... but that issue is for another discussion.

As for the 20% charge on american currecny, in my belief, that too will end shortly. If the USA is willing to lift the travel restriction, Cuba will, in my small opinion, remove the 10% penalty. This is nothing more than a prelude to the real issue which will be a discussion re the normalization of US/Cuban relations. This is no small gesture to Cuba given the fact that every American tourist that will hit the ground will sepend from $1000-$2000 US. The US wants to appease the Miami mafia, that will amount to a negotiation of compensation for property nationalized post 1959. Since the Cubans will have more capital given the lifting of the travel restrictions, I am certain they will negotiate a settlement for say, $.40 on the dollar.

Once this issue is resolved, the blocade falls.

This again, is just my small opinion.

PincheCabron
02-09-09, 06:56
I think that agent may be on the mark as I've read that a new bill was introduced in congress which includes the provision to remove the travel ban. They've tried this tactic before and it passed through both the congress and senate but Dubya threatened to veto the bill if the provision wasn't removed. Obama hasn't cowtowed to the miami old guard (too much) so this could go smoothly. Lifting the embargo is still years away and I think handing back guantanamo to cuba will be the prelude. The tourist gringos can have the pros and varadero. Two things I've managed to stay away from so far anyway.


I doubt if Cuba is worse off than most, ... in fact, I'd argue, given their socialism, that they are better off then most, ... but that issue is for another discussion.

As for the 20% charge on american currecny, in my belief, that too will end shortly. If the USA is willing to lift the travel restriction, Cuba will, in my small opinion, remove the 10% penalty. This is nothing more than a prelude to the real issue which will be a discussion re the normalization of US/Cuban relations. This is no small gesture to Cuba given the fact that every American tourist that will hit the ground will sepend from $1000-$2000 US. The US wants to appease the Miami mafia, that will amount to a negotiation of compensation for property nationalized post 1959. Since the Cubans will have more capital given the lifting of the travel restrictions, I am certain they will negotiate a settlement for say, $.40 on the dollar.

Once this issue is resolved, the blocade falls.

This again, is just my small opinion.

El Chico
02-09-09, 16:48
Crossed the border from USA to Canada. Stopped and searched by immigration. They discovered that I was in Cuba but no problem as usual as I carried no contrband.

HOWEVER, ... agent took me to the side and said: "listen, ... it all does not matter any more, .... we have received the memo and the travel restriction for all USA persons will be lifted in from 1-2 weeks. Is the party over? I think not, but maybe.I think your confusing Obama's promise to lift travel restrictions for "Cuban-Americans" with all Americans. Even though Cuban Americans will be allowed to travel as often as they want in the near future, they still fall under the embargo and need to receive permission from the Treasury Department each time.

For Americans to travel freely to Cuba requires an act of Congress to either amend the embargo or the enforcement rules and as you know this is not something that will happen over night. I'm sure there will be plenty of news coverage prior to any ammendment even being voted on. However it is true that it has been added to bills in the past and taken out before finalization. This could happen again in the "months" to come and will have more chance of making it through with Obama. Although personally I'm not looking forward to seeing Cuba flooded with Americans. The lack of Americans is one of its best features. :)

BeersTerry
02-09-09, 20:32
It will be interesting how much interest the American tourist has in Cuba, given the lack of services.

Kalifornication
02-10-09, 04:47
In fact, an act of congress re the lifting of the travel restriction is not necessary. Presidents have eased travel restrictions in the past (to wit, Clinton) and others have tightened the restriction (e.g., Georgy boy).

All that is needed is an executive order.

I agree that the embargo will follow later, but not much later.

Let's remember, Obama is a constitutional scholar. Something George boy is not. The problem with allowing Cuban Americans to travel while restricting non-Cuban Americans from freely traveling raised serious constitutional issues, to wit, EQUAL PROTECTION (14th Amendement). Obama, by lifting the travel restriction for all, resolves this constitutional conflict.

This shit is over. Thank heaven.



I think your confusing Obama's promise to lift travel restrictions for "Cuban-Americans" with all Americans. Even though Cuban Americans will be allowed to travel as often as they want in the near future, they still fall under the embargo and need to receive permission from the Treasury Department each time.

For Americans to travel freely to Cuba requires an act of Congress to either amend the embargo or the enforcement rules and as you know this is not something that will happen over night. I'm sure there will be plenty of news coverage prior to any ammendment even being voted on. However it is true that it has been added to bills in the past and taken out before finalization. This could happen again in the "months" to come and will have more chance of making it through with Obama. Although personally I'm not looking forward to seeing Cuba flooded with Americans. The lack of Americans is one of its best features. :)

PincheCabron
02-10-09, 08:18
The Bill has been introduced. It's from 2 dems and 1 republican the same ones who've tried to get it passed before. Look it up on any news search for cuba. Nothing to do with cuban americans at all but everything to do with $$$.


I think your confusing Obama's promise to lift travel restrictions for "Cuban-Americans" with all Americans. Even though Cuban Americans will be allowed to travel as often as they want in the near future, they still fall under the embargo and need to receive permission from the Treasury Department each time.

For Americans to travel freely to Cuba requires an act of Congress to either amend the embargo or the enforcement rules and as you know this is not something that will happen over night. I'm sure there will be plenty of news coverage prior to any ammendment even being voted on. However it is true that it has been added to bills in the past and taken out before finalization. This could happen again in the "months" to come and will have more chance of making it through with Obama. Although personally I'm not looking forward to seeing Cuba flooded with Americans. The lack of Americans is one of its best features. :)

El Chico
02-10-09, 21:01
The Bill has been introduced. It's from 2 dems and 1 republican the same ones who've tried to get it passed before. Look it up on any news search for cuba. Nothing to do with Cuban Americans at all but everything to do with $$$.We're talking about 2 different things, The original statement was that in a couple of weeks the rules will change. The only rules that may change is the restrictions for Cuban-American travel that Obama promised to ease. He could also loosen restrictions for others to travel for education, religion, etc.., but all of these types of travel still require a license from the Dept. of Treasury and is a far cry from unrestricted travel.

The current bill which Delahunt has introduced during the past couple of Congress sessions has never made it passed the committees (as the majority of bills never due). I wouldn't hold my breath for this one to make to the floor for a vote anytime soon. Obviously with Obama, its chances have been dramtically improved, but it won't be in the immediate future.

PincheCabron
02-11-09, 08:58
There's really only one thing I'm referring to which is what the agent told Darenesque. You're interpreting what that same agent may have meant but since a new bill to lift the ban entirely is in fact making the rounds and assuming Darenesque isn't a cuban, then I'll have to believe the official wasn't referring to the once every 3 year restriction for cuban americans you're alluding to. Granted it makes sense if obama ditches that first although like Dar observed a bit hypocritical. But hey we'll see. It'll take more than a few weeks but I think this has a good chance and maybe obama will take a bold step. Which would make all the other half-ass travel permission like education, religion and my personal favorite AIDS relief redundant.




We're talking about 2 different things, The original statement was that in a couple of weeks the rules will change. The only rules that may change is the restrictions for Cuban-American travel that Obama promised to ease. He could also loosen restrictions for others to travel for education, religion, etc.., but all of these types of travel still require a license from the Dept. of Treasury and is a far cry from unrestricted travel.

The current bill which Delahunt has introduced during the past couple of Congress sessions has never made it passed the committees (as the majority of bills never due). I wouldn't hold my breath for this one to make to the floor for a vote anytime soon. Obviously with Obama, its chances have been dramtically improved, but it won't be in the immediate future.

Member #3435
02-12-09, 00:50
I think that agent may be on the mark as I've read that a new bill was introduced in congress which includes the provision to remove the travel ban. They've tried this tactic before and it passed through both the congress and senate but Dubya threatened to veto the bill if the provision wasn't removed. Obama hasn't cowtowed to the miami old guard (too much) so this could go smoothly. Lifting the embargo is still years away and I think handing back guantanamo to cuba will be the prelude. The tourist gringos can have the pros and varadero. Two things I've managed to stay away from so far anyway.

Hand back Guantanamo?

Ahhh, don't count on it.

Schwmm

Member #4167
03-26-09, 21:31
As for the 20% charge on american currecny, in my belief, that too will end shortly. If the USA is willing to lift the travel restriction, Cuba will, in my small opinion, remove the 10% penalty.

This again, is just my small opinion.I like you darenesq. You are a stand up guy as DigitalCurry says. However. I disagree. I think the 10% penalty is in-place purley as a revenue-raising measure for the Cuban govt. C. Most of the money that comes to Cuba is contributions by US-based family members to their impoverished relatives.

You have to see it light of the other taxes in place:

Cars and most houselhold electronics must be purchased thru the govt monopoly and at an appx 100% surcharge. They love to tax hard currency.

Member #4167
03-26-09, 21:34
We all fucked it up by paying more than $5 per girl. !DC - just curious - what did you pay for sex?

Member #4167
03-26-09, 22:08
I have read recently and in the past that the reason that prices for chocho are high in Cuba is because "Stupid italians have been overpaying and have ruined it for us all"

I used to subscribe to this theory. But no longer. Here is my theory about the high price of puticas:

In the good old days (the ealry to mid 90's). Poverty (therefore need) was great and police enforcement was nil

Nowadays Castro & Co want to build Cuba into the family vacation destination of the americas. However Cuba suffered from harmful image. As the world called Cuba "the *****house of the americas" Castro resented this and went to the extreme to wipe out prostitution. The crackdown against prostitution is extreme in Cuba, with girls facing 1+ years jail time. IT is easy to imprison a cuban because if they suspect your guilty. Then they can sentence you and imprison you with very little due process. Additionally. They have taken other steps to stamp out prostitution. Namely. Requiring the registration of all guests of foreigners. As well, they frequently id and hassle any cubana who is in the presence of a foreigner. I have mongered in other countries, and gentlemen, cuban is the most serious about cracking down on prostitution.

Anytime ones risks go up. Then the price goes up. And these girls face serious risks.

Supply & Demand: having scared the majority of the girls out of the business, they have driven supply waaay down. The ones remaining are the hard-core hardened pros. Also. Their costs have gone up. The girl cannot ho in her home town because she is liable to be watched and reported on by the local Cederistas. Therefore. She has to incure extra expense and travel to another town, pay for lodging and transport. Furthermore- the girls probably are paying bribes to the police and watchguards in order for them to conduct their trade.

I was in a small town and approached some "party girls" who were clearly the town tramps. None of the girls wanted to talk to me. They looked afraid. I asked my cuban friends to find me a putica. They presented me with a worn-out one who insisted on 40CUC. Plus, I would have to pay extra for the room. I tried negotiating her downward. She knew was the only game in town, and she didn't budge. Plus she was clearly terrified of committing sucha serious crime.

I prefer hos who are enthusiastic, friendly and eager (or at least pretend to be). It is a huge turnoff to have a ho who is terrifed. This did not seem very appealing to me: to have sex with an old worn out ho who was terrified and charging me significantly more than what a cuban would pay.

So, in conclusion. Yes, overpaying tourists have helped drive the price up, but they had no choice given the reduced supply due to police restricitions. The main reason for the price increase is the crackdown on prostitution with foreigners.

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Adinga
03-29-10, 18:47
The Italians fuck the girls then throw them out without paying.Many of the girls now request the money up front (NEVER pay upfront) The police have been cracking down on the girls for the last 8 years and yes the supply has been dwindling down.I have a network of contacts who provide me with girls when I want them but they dont like to be seen in public with me.They come to my private casa unescorted and thier more relaxed.

Cuba is not a great destination for the First time traveler.Its also very expensive and as of May 15th the Cuban goverment will require that all incoming tourists purchase Health Insurance upon entrance into the country.I have no idea what this insurance will cost but just another expense/headache.

The Dirty Pirate
04-01-10, 15:51
Cuba is not a great destination for the First time traveler.Its also very expensive and as of May 15th the Cuban goverment will require that all incoming tourists purchase Health Insurance upon entrance into the country.I have no idea what this insurance will cost but just another expense/headache.I fly in on the 14th and am kind of curious how this will play a part. A package can be bought for US Citizens for $8. 00/day from Havanatur, not sure if purchasing it online before hand will work though (the company is European so no issues for US credit card as far as I know).

On another note, it's only expensive if you let it get that way. By the end of my first trip I had already discovered where and where not to eat, where and where not to find chicas and what to pay. It's not that it's expensive and difficult it just may not be as easy as it once was and that goes for EVERY mongering destination. Hell I live in Costa Rica and guys pay 100 and up for 1 hour all the time because they lack experience and a pimp hand. Latinas seem to have this sense in knowing who will and will not just simply say NO. Where as the hottest piece of tail I ever got in this country cost me a whopping 20 bucks.

Bowline
04-03-10, 04:40
The idea that there will any serious easing of the travel restrictions is highly unlikely. 1). The Marxist Government in Cuba needs the embargo as excuse for the failed economy and they would no longer have a scape goat, for their failed economy. 2). The Marxist Government will not make any concessions with the USA, who are considered to the the worst of all evils as the Cuban Americans, in their mind. The idea of "selling back" the properties that the Cuban Government already owns, and posesses to the Cuban Americans is ridiculous, at any value suggested, why would the? 3). The idea of American or any other capital, in significant amounts, coming into the country is at best short sided. Cuba has a very limited amount of goods and services, (Gross National Product) and any increase of funds competing for these would bring about a serious inflation., the Marxist Government is aware of this. Inflation has been noticed by Foreign visitors, already. Compare prices over the last few years.

2) The Marxist Government does not care about whether or not the economy is successful, it is only successful to them as long as it is within the "struggle" of the The Marxist Revolution. Fidel Castro has said that he would not change from the Marxist Revolution even if there was only single Cuban left who wanted it.

The only hope for the Cuban people is that when the Marxists die off there will be people in the government who will make the changes necessary, don't hold your breath.

Victorn
04-03-10, 08:55
The problem with the chicas in Cuba ( my experience centers more around Santiago and Guantanamo) is that the police has instilled fear of jail in them.

And yes, they travel from one town ( let's say Guantanamo to go work in Santiago) and yes, they have to pay rent and food on the street in their new place of offering their ware and hide from the police as a Cuban woman is not allowed to travel at ease from town to town.

So, usually, they will resort to a pimp to get foreign customers for them.
The funny thing is that Castro and the police allow them to ply their trade in mid size hotels with swimming pool and the girls will tell you which hotel with swimming pool they go to during the day.

So, you have to pay more as you pay the pimp to get the girls and you now get the hardened professional girls not your average semi-pros.

Cuba seems to be looking for old retired tourist couples from Europe ( Germany, Austria, etc ) who stay in 4 to 5 star hotels and are shuttled by chartered buses to tourist museums and scenery during the day.

Dominican Republic and Colombia , to my mind, offer more for the same price. Unless you LOVE Castro and his brand of society.


I fly in on the 14th and am kind of curious how this will play a part. A package can be bought for US Citizens for $8. 00/day from Havanatur,

On another note, it's only expensive if you let it get that way. By the end of my first trip I had already discovered where and where not to eat, where and where not to find chicas and what to pay. It's not that it's expensive and difficult it just may not be as easy as it once was and that goes for EVERY mongering destination. .

Steve 99
04-06-10, 13:47
The funny thing is that Castro and the police allow them to ply their trade in mid size hotels with swimming pool and the girls will tell you which hotel with swimming pool they go to during the day.Speaking of the devil

I am planning on a Las Americas Hotel in Santiago de Cuba for 4 nights end of June.

So will there be hookers at my pool? Cool

Can you describe more how it works. Do you go to their room or your own?

Any other hooker tips on Santiago appreicated.

Victorn
04-08-10, 22:07
I do not know about the pool of the Las Americas Hotel in Santiago.

If you are going by the end of June 2010, a lot can happen from the police until then.

But, here is the deal :

Hit the DISCO of the Hotel around 11 p.m. most nights but more around the week-end. They run a show of singers and dancers , and comedy. For that , you pay a 5 dollar entrance fee that gives you the right to 3 alcohol drinks.

Plenty of pro girls looking for tourists inside to take them to their hotel room, sometimes accompanied by their pimps who can intervene to set the fees or follow you to guarantee the security of the girl.

Expect to pay between 20 to 30 cuc ( equivalent to american dollars ) for one hour session. Some will try to charge you more . Resist .

Plenty of senior Italian men looking for willowy black girls.

For swimming pool action during the day, hit Versalle hotel not far from the airport.

Downtown Santiago, hit a bar next to Plaza Dolores ; avoid the park as the police does not allow the chicas to solicit or talk to tourists.



Speaking of the devil

I am planning on a Las Americas Hotel in Santiago de Cuba for 4 nights end of June.

So will there be hookers at my pool? Cool

Can you describe more how it works. Do you go to their room or your own?

Any other hooker tips on Santiago appreicated.

Speedsonic
07-27-10, 18:36
I do not know about the pool of the Las Americas Hotel in Santiago.

If you are going by the end of June 2010, a lot can happen from the police until then.

But, here is the deal :

Hit the DISCO of the Hotel around 11 p.m. most nights but more around the week-end. They run a show of singers and dancers , and comedy. For that , you pay a 5 dollar entrance fee that gives you the right to 3 alcohol drinks.

Plenty of pro girls looking for tourists inside to take them to their hotel room, sometimes accompanied by their pimps who can intervene to set the fees or follow you to guarantee the security of the girl.

Expect to pay between 20 to 30 cuc ( equivalent to american dollars ) for one hour session. Some will try to charge you more . Resist .

Plenty of senior Italian men looking for willowy black girls.

For swimming pool action during the day, hit Versalle hotel not far from the airport.

Downtown Santiago, hit a bar next to Plaza Dolores ; avoid the park as the police does not allow the chicas to solicit or talk to tourists.And can lead girls into the room without recording them?

Victorn
07-29-10, 18:10
and can lead girls into the room without recording them?
that will depend on the casa owner or the security guard at the hotel.

my understanding is that cuban girls can seat with a foreigner at a hotel bar or restaurant if accompanied .

she would need to be registered and most girls do not want to. talk to them and the girls will tell you what is possible and how.

BeersTerry
08-03-10, 01:32
Any Cuban is willing to take your money. I would bet the security is getting a cut from the girl too for letting her up to your room.