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First off, I am by no means endorsing sex with minors.
However
A minor here is not always a minor in other countries. There are plenty of girls who are wed at 13 or 14. This is in fact completely a legal issue that has become imbued with ethical rather than moral questions.
Example. Is it ethically worse for a 21 year old man to sleep with a 17 year old girl, or for a 65 year old man to sleep with an 18 year old? I know which one skeeves me more when I see it on the street.
My point is that we all know it is wrong to sleep with that 17 year old. But that 'wrongness' definitely has an element of context, and a lot of that context is of the legal, rather than moral variety.
El Austriaco
11-29-06, 02:07
my point is that we all know it is wrong to sleep with that 17 year old. but that 'wrongness' definitely has an element of context, and a lot of that context is of the legal, rather than moral variety.
well, the legal context is clear in brazil:
18 and over, legal... under 18, illegal. simple as that.
no gray area where 17 years and 364 days is almost legal, no. it is still illegal, and you can bet you won't get a chance in brazil to explain your "context of wrongness", whether legal or moral. just like you won't get a chance to explain the context of just being a notch above the permitted blood alcohol level or just driving a bit faster than the posted speed limit.
when the context is jail vs. no jail, honestly, nobody has to clarify that context to me.
ea
I clearly stated that the question was legal. No possible argument. I only opened my yap because a message was edited a couple posts down stating that the question was a moral one. It is not. It is an ethical question, and the ethics of the answer differ from place to place.
If you want to split hairs on 17 or 18, thats fine, but his question was "I want to find the YOUNGEST girls possible thats legal".He actually edited his post to make it not sound as awful. If some sick country makes it legal for a 13yo to consent with a 40 yo that is 100% immoral and wrong, and if you take advantage of that you are evil and should be put in jail. There are countries where it is is legal to marry a 13 yo and its wrong. Its no different than legalizing, burning people at the stake, because they dont believe in god,like they do in the middle east.
Tiradentes
11-29-06, 03:59
Last Saturday night, I visited L’Uomo at 9:30pm. As it was somewhat late and the place closes at midnight, there were few customers and a lot of tired chicks resting on the couches. This Italian guy gets in, probably his first time in the place. Most of the girls were tired and just yearning to call it a day and go home.
So the Italian guy didn’t find anywhere to sit at, so he stood at the back of the room, on the dance stage (next to the mirrors). Ten minutes passes, and this big fat old American dude (who claims to be doctor) and introduces himself as such, walks toward the poor Italian guy threatening and yelling at him to get the hell out of place shouting that this is where the girls dance, and the guy is ruining the show by standing in there.
I am not sure what happened next as my girl was inviting me to the relax room, but I bet it was ugly. I was told that the American dude was kicked out of the place by the security.
So guys, word to the wise, always keep cool
Pipe Layer99
11-29-06, 06:10
We all know or should know the legal age limit. So its a clear line that I will not cross, and I hope others will play by the rules too.
As for a moral argument - the profession of a GDP is morally wrong but they (and we) do it anyway. Hell its even illegal in the U.S. So this is basically a legal isssue and the line is clear - do not cross it.
If you find yourself trying to decide what to do when you screen an ID - wait the extra day (or week). In the mean time find an older one. DD
Any good recommendation? Was your girl OK? Details pls, we need the info.
Last Saturday night, I visited L’Uomo at 9:30pm. As it was somewhat late and the place closes at midnight, there were few customers and a lot of tired chicks resting on the couches. This Italian guy gets in, probably his first time in the place. Most of the girls were tired and just yearning to call it a day and go home.
So the Italian guy didn’t find anywhere to sit at, so he stood at the back of the room, on the dance stage (next to the mirrors). Ten minutes passes, and this big fat old American dude (who claims to be doctor) and introduces himself as such, walks toward the poor Italian guy threatening and yelling at him to get the hell out of place shouting that this is where the girls dance, and the guy is ruining the show by standing in there.
I am not sure what happened next as my girl was inviting me to the relax room, but I bet it was ugly. I was told that the American dude was kicked out of the place by the security.
So guys, word to the wise, always keep cool
http://madamebela.********.com/
She is quite a celebrity in Brazil. Works in Macae. 150R p.h
Hi Guys,
I know I am expected to contribute and I will when I have some experience. At the moment I have very little personal experience of the scene in Brasil. I will be able to contribute after my trip to Brasil in December 2006.
I will be going to Macae, but I could not find any information about that town on ISG.
1. Is there a WG scene in Macae or not? Being an oil town I would have thought there was!
2. Are the hotels there girl friendly and do the girls work in hotel bars?
3. How much should one expect to pay for long time?
4. How safe is the scene in Macae?
Thanks Guys
Member #4217
11-29-06, 13:35
First off, I am by no means endorsing sex with minors.Did anyone notice that what we are all doing ... all over the world... would get us arrested in the good ole USA?
Enough already! I think we all agree!
Like a bunch of old ladies at the church social!
IMHO
Tom
Member #4217
11-30-06, 12:46
My ISG buddy and I were walking along Ave Atlantica last night around 10:30, and 2 girls got all over us trying to get us to buy some p*ssy. We finally got them to go away, and later I discovered my wallet went with them!
Lucky for me, I had previously read here that it isd never a good idea to carry cash in your wallet, and only carry copies of your documents.
All they got was 3 credit cards, which I called and cancelled immediately, and they had not tried to use the cards!
So, they got nothing!
Be aware of this tactic, as the same thing was tried on me in Madrid, Spain last year! But, I busted the girl last year!
Guess I was distracted by the tits! :o)
Tom
Track Star
11-30-06, 20:32
Hello TomNJerry,
I have been enjoying your reports because they are entertaining and you have something to say, offer etc.
Any chance of you making a larger ..more in depth report of Vila Mimosa with a good number of juicy pictures???
Yes, a report that are in short "prette prette juzzzeeee"
That is what we need here!!! Something "prette juzze" indeed!
Help me out. I am dying to be in Rio, but couldn't afford to go this year because spending too much $$$ 2007 on going to Finland, Italy, Norway..darn it!!
Track Star
All they got was 3 credit cards, which I called and cancelled immediately, and they had not tried to use the cards!
So, they got nothing!
Sorry to hear what happened to you.
Why do you carry 3 credits card when going for a stroll in Copa?
Last Saturday night, I visited L’Uomo at 9:30pm. As it was somewhat late and the place closes at midnight, there were few customers and a lot of tired chicks resting on the couches. This Italian guy gets in, probably his first time in the place. Most of the girls were tired and just yearning to call it a day and go home.
So the Italian guy didn’t find anywhere to sit at, so he stood at the back of the room, on the dance stage (next to the mirrors). Ten minutes passes, and this big fat old American dude (who claims to be doctor) and introduces himself as such, walks toward the poor Italian guy threatening and yelling at him to get the hell out of place shouting that this is where the girls dance, and the guy is ruining the show by standing in there.
I am not sure what happened next as my girl was inviting me to the relax room, but I bet it was ugly. I was told that the American dude was kicked out of the place by the security.
So guys, word to the wise, always keep cool
Typical stupid gringo that deserves to get his ass kicked !
well, the legal context is clear in brazil:
18 and over, legal... under 18, illegal. simple as that.
no gray area where 17 years and 364 days is almost legal, no. it is still illegal, and you can bet you won't get a chance in brazil to explain your "context of wrongness", whether legal or moral. just like you won't get a chance to explain the context of just being a notch above the permitted blood alcohol level or just driving a bit faster than the posted speed limit.
when the context is jail vs. no jail, honestly, nobody has to clarify that context to me.
ea
and as a gringo you better be aware of that or you`ll find your picture in the papers the following day and end up in jail.
Sorry to hear what happened to you.
Why do you carry 3 credits card when going for a stroll in Copa?
I was there with TJ, the gals were just acting friendly, grabbing ass and dick. I had pushed mine away (she had NO tits) and was a lot smaller.
As far as the number of CC, I typically have two as inevitiblly one of the card companies will be 'protecting' me and shut off my card at the worst possible moment (in spite of me telling them I live in Brazil). And as Tom said, just copies of passport and taxi fare. I wish they HAD taken my wallet, I need a new one!
So to all of you newbies, Tom has a lot of experience, I have some, it will happen to you sooner or later, so take only what you can afford to give away!
Pipe Layer99
11-30-06, 22:19
Sorry to hear the news Tom and Jerry.
Glad you noticed right away and canx then cards. Just be careful out there.
Please do not let the girls or anyone else get too close to you guys.
Once they are in arms reach, your radar must be on high.
DD
...but at least you were street-wise, and material loss is a piece of leather.
A salutory lesson to us all - esp newbies to RDJ like me, about to embark on a great adventure. Still hope to see you in the new year Tom!
Latitude Cruz
11-30-06, 23:18
T&J,
Glad they didn't manage to charge anything on your card. I've noticed a few times in Brazil when I charge on my credit card, they ask to see an ID. I'm glad they protect us like that.
I agree about not carrying cash in your wallet. In fact I never carry a wallet when I'm in Brazil or any place I might be exposed to pick-pockets.
Once, at home in USA I also caught a SW trying to lift some cash from me. She started out trying to feel me up, and in a flash my cash was missing. I ran her down and thanks to the help of an alert passerby, I caught her. One thing I'd like to pass along to everyone about that experience is BEWARE OF CARGO SHORTS! Don't put anything of value in the "cargo" pockets.
Furthermore when wearing ANY casual shorts or pants I put my cash & credit cards in the front pocket...then "twist" the pocket. This way, a casual reach into the pocket is obstructed by the "twist". Some guys wrap their wallet in rubber bands, making it harder to smoothly "slip" out of your pocket. Like most guys here, I also split my pocket cash between my pocket and "another place" (under shoe insole, etc).
I'm not kidding myself. It's not exactly Fort Knox security, but some combination of these tactics will make life more difficult for the real pros with the feather-light touch.
Just my humble opinion but I don't think there's any such thing as being "totally safe/secure". I think it's just a matter of identifying the bad guys' advantages, and trying to diminish them. Then try look at your disadvantages, and minimize them. Next, reduce the stakes. Finally, if you get nipped for a couple bucks try to learn from it and don't let it spoil your fun too much. Whatever you do, DO NOT get yourself hurt trying to recover some money. If you chase a girl down, there's a good chance she has a dude nearby who will step in. Back off before you get hurt.
As tourists we are unfamiliar with our surroundings, distracted, conspicuous, very "relaxed" (often somewhat under the influence of alcohol). Being aware of their advantages and our disadvantages can allow us to have a good time and mitigate the risks at the same time.
One last idea: There are lots of credit cards with the owner's photo embedded in the card itself. I haven't got one myself; but I think it increases the odds of a merchant declining a thief attempting to use the card...buying you some time to deactivate it.
Maybe I'm fooling myself, but I don't feel particularly "in danger" when I'm in Brazil or South America/Asia/etc. I just make a conscious effort to be AWARE of my surroundings.
Pipe Layer99
12-01-06, 00:45
[QUOTE=Latitude Cruz]
I put my cash & credit cards in the front pocket...then "twist" the pocket. This way, a casual reach into the pocket is obstructed by the "twist". Some guys wrap their wallet in rubber bands, making it harder to smoothly "slip" out of your pocket. Like most guys here, I also split my pocket cash between my pocket and "another place" (under shoe insole, etc).
I never thought of putting a twist on my pocket or using a rubber bands. Great ideas!!
Although I make it a point to stay alert and stash some cash in other areas.
Very good information for all. Thanks LC.
DD
The only things that are necessary in your wallet are money, ID (copy) and condoms. There is a very simple solution. Buy a small leather zipper pouch from a street vendor. Make a hole through it and tie a string through the hole. Then tie the string to your underwear and put the pouch inside your shorts.
A robber or a pickpocketer will not feel down your crotch if he's in a hurry. If they should succeed grabbing your pouch they will not be able to take it anyway. Also, if you get too drunk you'll still have control of your wallet.
The pouch is also good for bringing a small compact camera or a mobile phone.
Latitude Cruz
12-01-06, 10:06
Then tie the string to your underwear and put the pouch inside your shorts.
The pouch is also good for bringing a small compact camera or a mobile phone.
Great idea Sperto! I envision a convenient side benefit of this practice:
All the girls in town will notice the size of your "package" --- They'll be offering YOU $$ to spend the night !!
:D
Great idea Sperto! I envision a convenient side benefit of this practice:
All the girls in town will notice the size of your "package" --- They'll be offering YOU $$ to spend the night!
:DYou can also purchase an inside-the-pants pouch anywhere they sell travel accessories. Came in handy once when I lost my "pocket" money. I also carry a small cheap "wallet" in my back pocket with R10 as a distraction.
I just got back from a 14 day stay in Rio. I had a couple of newbie friends stay in Copa, while I stayed in an apartment in Ipanema as usual. Well, I got to RIo a couple of days before my buddies, and I awaited for their arrival on Sunday afternoon. Not this past Sunday, but the one before.
I wanted their first experience to be a positive one, as it was for me a couple of years ago. So I decided to take them to Luomo's. First of all, prices have gone up again. Also, I was not too impressed with the selection. The only top notch babes ( in my opinion ), were Shayla and Ingrid. I was also aware that it was Sunday, so it is to be expected that it might not be as good as other nights.
One of my buddies latches on to Shayla and another big blonde, and my other buddy gets to grinding with Karen( nice slim body). Well, my friends are hispanic, so the language barrier is not a major issue. As the gentlemen had no problems communicating with the garotas. As for me, I am just sitting back and making sure my buddies are having a good time, and that they are aware of how this whole termas concept functions.
I have been to Luomo's many times, and never had any sort of a problem with either the administration, or a garota. Well, on this particular night there was a problem. First, one of my friends orders a "copa" of red wine for himself and a beer for his campanion. Well, he gets handed a glass of red wine, then he returns to his area in a corner. I don't give it much importance. About 3 or 4 minutes later. A bartender takes the entire bottle of wine to the little table in front of my friend. But my friend is telling the bartender he specifically said only a glass of wine, not the bottle. The bartender insists he said the whole bottle. I was not there, but my friend is fairly wealthy, and does not need to lie about a 40.00 dollar bottle of wine. He would happily pay for it if he ordered it. But he did not. Too late, the bartender says, the bottle has been opened. My buddies and I decided not to let this incident ruin the evenning.
As the night continues, one friend takes shayla and her friend to the cabina together, and they had some fun in the suite. As for my other friend who had the problem with the bottle of red wine, he took his gal to a cabina. I stayed outside and had 3 garrafas de agua con gas. Thats all. My friends finish doing the deed, then we head out to the locker area to get dressed and head to the reception area to pay the tab.
Well, I only had to pay for the entrance and 3 bottles of water. But as I take a look at my bill, I realize a slight error, I was billed for a smirnoff ice that costs 12r. Well, I point this out to one of the girls in the front desk. She decides to call the bartender to the front desk. As soon as that prick comes in, he takes a look at the bill and then looks me straight in the eyes, and has the balls to say that he remembers our conversion vividly, and how I ordered a smirnoff ice. I did not even get a chance to say a word. Little did he know that I speak and understand my fair share of portuguese. In his native language I proceed to call him a liar and an asshole. Yes, I lost my composure with this jerkoff. He is basically calling me a liar to my face. I already let him slide on the bottle of red wine deal. Now this.
I tell him in front of the ladies in the front desk as well as my friends that I don't give a crap about a 12r smirnoff, its the principle of the matter that I am being called a liar. I have 600r in my pocket, and I really don't care about 12r. Its the bartender's attitude that pisses me off. He takes off like as if he is the almighty manager of the establishment.
Then out of her cave, comes out the manager with her dried prune charisma and ,that she wants to know whats going on. I tell her the whole deal. She goes to the back, comes out 5 minutes later to inform me that my friends garota had ordered a smirnoff from the cabina while she was with him. So she was closing the door quickly to the point I could not see her face as I heard her say sorry for the inconvenience as the door shut. What a winner she is.
So go figure, the prick bartender "remembers our conversation vividly when I ORDERED a smirnoff ice", yet now the manager confirms that the garota which was with my friend, ordered it from the cabina. I still can't figure out the correlation of how a garota who ordered a drink from a cabina, was biiled to my number. Than the bartender lies like a dog. Combine this with the other incident about the bottle of red wine. This guy is nothing, but a scumbag.
I just decided to go outside and explain this whole thing to the head of security who has been working there for 9 years now. He has always been a gentlemen and a scholar with me. He knows me well as we have spoken before on many occassions. I just let him know that it is ashame that I bring in two new customers who spent a good amount of money at this establishment, and they have to witness all of this crap going on. Well, he truly apologized and said he knows I would not lie or form a show over 12 stink'in reals. What are these new customers to think. Thats just not good business. He agreed, and said he would bypass speaking the bartender and the manager, and just speak straight to the owner. Whether he does or he doesn't, I don't know if I will go back. I really had a sour taste in my mouth, mainly because I had always considered to be my favorite termas.
The following day I took my friends to Solarium. I must say, they had some great talent across the board. My friends each took a couple of garotas, I took one called Mila. What a honey. My friends met garotas that spoke spanish, so they were in heaven. One friend had a massage at both Luomo's and Solarium, he said hands down, the one at Solarium was better.
By the way, I used a discount coupon for a free cabina if used before 6pm and between seg. and sext. Just go to the Sol. website, and fillout you info. they will send it to you in a few seconds. Just print it out and you are good to go. By the way, the girls at the front desk were super cool, and speak english very well.
As for terca, we went to 4x4. We had a blast. Not because they had the best looking garotas of all the termas, just simply because of the variety of different looking women, as well as the attitudes. I think there are some really wild and crazy safadas in this joint. One of my buddies took a pair that were namoradinhas into the cabina for an hour. He took a whole roll of film in there. I have not seen pics yet, but he assured me it was out of control in there as one of the girls was slapping the other in the face, and tears of joy were rolling down her cheeks. Again, girl on girl, then after that first scene, they attacked my friend with wild freaky sex. He had a blast.
As for my other friend, he can be an offical sponser for levitra. After having prostate surgery just a 8 weeks before, he was took 3 different garotas to a cabina. 3 sessions for the 60 year old. what a night. I met a sweetie called Agatha who was the complete opposite in the sack, she was a lion. Bottom line, it was a great night for my buddies. Prices at 4x4 were 150r per garoata for 40 minutes and 170r for an hour. I do not remember the prices for Solarium.
Yes gentlemen, I always wanted to set up a festa with plenty of ladies and just a couple of buddies. Being that I was the only one that spoke some portuguese, I organized a festa at the vips suite in the freedom suite. I called several agencies and finally settled with KarlaModels. I ordered 3 duplas for me and my two buddies. I bought food, snacks, and drinks for the festa.
It was great, people butt naked in the pool, jacuzzi, sauna, steamroom, in bed. The garotas where doing the lesbo thing in bed for the first 25 minutes of their stay. 4 ladies at a time in the same bed. what a sight. I was in the pool with two, another friend with two in the jacuzzi, and the other senior member of the group was in bed with another two garotas. The girls were super friendly once they got to know us and realize that wee just wanted to have some fun and no harm.
This type of set up can be a bit more costly, but what an experience. Fantastic. I wish I would have done this sooner.
By buddies went off to the typical tourist attractions, for example Sugar Loaf, Christ, etc. etc. etc. As for more of the chasing of females through out Rio, they had enough knowledge to go off on their own for the remaining days of their trip.
I on the otherhand, went off to experience new termas and wholes in the wall within no centro. I don't think my friends coulod have stomached those places, so I left them out of the picture on that hunt.
I also got together with some garotas I had met on prior trips to Brazil.
I will report on that hunt in the future.
Exec Talent
12-02-06, 07:01
Mangera,
I repeatedly have tried to warn everyone (especially the newbies) about L'uomo. When it was good, it was very good. Now, it is just another rip-off joint. The best thing we can do is to speak with our dollars and just stay away.
Anyone familiar with this company? Are they con artists or legit?
http://www.luxorio.com/
Full Throttle
12-02-06, 19:47
... Ten minutes passes, and this big fat old American dude (who claims to be doctor) and introduces himself as such...
If he was shit-faced, I bet I know who you're talking about. He's been carried out the two times I've seen him. I always appreciate somebody drunker than I, but he's not a fun drunk.
I also want to applaud the board for not biting on the latest controversies artificially raised by forum trolls.
I'm off to fricking England today. You guys keep the interest high and the prices low till January!
FT
Member #4217
12-02-06, 19:56
A couple of us ISG guys are meeting in front of HELP tonight around 10:30 to 11. Join us if you can.
tom
I wanted their first experience to be a positive one, as it was for me a couple of years ago. So I decided to take them to Luomo's. First of all, prices have gone up again. Also, I was not too impressed with the selection. The only top notch babes ( in my opinion ), were Shayla and Ingrid. I was also aware that it was Sunday, so it is to be expected that it might not be as good as other nights.
One of my buddies latches on to Shayla and another big blonde, and my other buddy gets to grinding with Karen( nice slim body). Well, my friends are hispanic, so the language barrier is not a major issue. As the gentlemen had no problems communicating with the garotas. As for me, I am just sitting back and making sure my buddies are having a good time, and that they are aware of how this whole termas concept functions.
I have been to Luomo's many times, and never had any sort of a problem with either the administration, or a garota. Well, on this particular night there was a problem. First, one of my friends orders a "copa" of red wine for himself and a beer for his campanion. Well, he gets handed a glass of red wine, then he returns to his area in a corner. I don't give it much importance. About 3 or 4 minutes later. A bartender takes the entire bottle of wine to the little table in front of my friend. But my friend is telling the bartender he specifically said only a glass of wine, not the bottle. The bartender insists he said the whole bottle. I was not there, but my friend is fairly wealthy, and does not need to lie about a 40.00 dollar bottle of wine. He would happily pay for it if he ordered it. But he did not. Too late, the bartender says, the bottle has been opened. My buddies and I decided not to let this incident ruin the evenning.
As the night continues, one friend takes shayla and her friend to the cabina together, and they had some fun in the suite. As for my other friend who had the problem with the bottle of red wine, he took his gal to a cabina. I stayed outside and had 3 garrafas de agua con gas. Thats all. My friends finish doing the deed, then we head out to the locker area to get dressed and head to the reception area to pay the tab.
Well, I only had to pay for the entrance and 3 bottles of water. But as I take a look at my bill, I realize a slight error, I was billed for a smirnoff ice that costs 12r. Well, I point this out to one of the girls in the front desk. She decides to call the bartender to the front desk. As soon as that prick comes in, he takes a look at the bill and then looks me straight in the eyes, and has the balls to say that he remembers our conversion vividly, and how I ordered a smirnoff ice. I did not even get a chance to say a word. Little did he know that I speak and understand my fair share of portuguese. In his native language I proceed to call him a liar and an asshole. Yes, I lost my composure with this jerkoff. He is basically calling me a liar to my face. I already let him slide on the bottle of red wine deal. Now this.
I tell him in front of the ladies in the front desk as well as my friends that I don't give a crap about a 12r smirnoff, its the principle of the matter that I am being called a liar. I have 600r in my pocket, and I really don't care about 12r. Its the bartender's attitude that pisses me off. He takes off like as if he is the almighty manager of the establishment.
Then out of her cave, comes out the manager with her dried prune charisma and ,that she wants to know whats going on. I tell her the whole deal. She goes to the back, comes out 5 minutes later to inform me that my friends garota had ordered a smirnoff from the cabina while she was with him. So she was closing the door quickly to the point I could not see her face as I heard her say sorry for the inconvenience as the door shut. What a winner she is.
So go figure, the prick bartender "remembers our conversation vividly when I ORDERED a smirnoff ice", yet now the manager confirms that the garota which was with my friend, ordered it from the cabina. I still can't figure out the correlation of how a garota who ordered a drink from a cabina, was biiled to my number. Than the bartender lies like a dog. Combine this with the other incident about the bottle of red wine. This guy is nothing, but a scumbag.
I just decided to go outside and explain this whole thing to the head of security who has been working there for 9 years now. He has always been a gentlemen and a scholar with me. He knows me well as we have spoken before on many occassions. I just let him know that it is ashame that I bring in two new customers who spent a good amount of money at this establishment, and they have to witness all of this crap going on. Well, he truly apologized and said he knows I would not lie or form a show over 12 stink'in reals. What are these new customers to think. Thats just not good business. He agreed, and said he would bypass speaking the bartender and the manager, and just speak straight to the owner. Whether he does or he doesn't, I don't know if I will go back. I really had a sour taste in my mouth, mainly because I had always considered to be my favorite termas.
Bringing the whole bottle to the table when you ask for just one drink is one of the common scams used in the rip-off boates around Princesa Isabel, so it seems that Luomo sadly has decided to join that league of places to avoid.
If after this report, as well as Exec’s previous warnings, some members of this forum still decide to visit Luomo and are ripped off, they will deserve it.
Anyone familiar with this company? Are they con artists or legit?
http://www.luxorio.com/
Flashy site targeted to Americans loaded with dollars. Looks nice, but expensive. I heard from a friend in the realestatebusiness in Rio that LuxoRio only have 2 aptos for sale and that the legal procedures are not correct.
Myself, I'm looking at a cobertura at Rua Ceará in VM. It's located just above the hairdresser, next to the old guy selling grilled cheese. It's a bit noisy, but the view is outstanding.
There are 360 different recognized favelas in the greater Rio area. 360!!!
Ok, useless, but interesting info.
How many VM style places exist in this world which is unknown to us?
Ibz
The number of favelas in Rio are higher. Some says 550, others 700.
What's much more important is the number of VM style places.
All over the world you can propably find several similar places. In Brazil I'm convinced you'll find no other place with the same concentration of GP's within such a small area.
My big mission in life, the last 16 Years, is searching for hidden VMs in Brazil. In ALL cities in Brazil you'll find brothels. Even in the smallest godforgotten places. You'll find GPs in the chicest clubs in São Paulo, you'll find GPs in the poorest favelas and you'll find GPs even in the small villages in the Amazon.
You'll find GP's charging R$ 5 and others charging R$ 2000 (cheers GK). You'll find streets or 10-storybuildings filled of GPs in Brazil, but the only place you'll find 1500 (?) GPs working in the area of approximately one block would be Vila Mimosa.
If you know of another VM style place in Brazil, please tell us. :)
Myself, I'm looking at a cobertura at Rua Ceará in VM. It's located just above the hairdresser, next to the old guy selling grilled cheese. It's a bit noisy, but the view is outstanding.
That’s funny, but it’s made me wonder if you can actually stay in Vila Mimosa. I think there are a couple of basic, decent hotels, is that correct? Are they just for ST or can you actually stay there?
Staying in VM for 2-3 days to do a crash course on the area might be a good idea.
That’s funny, but it’s made me wonder if you can actually stay in Vila Mimosa. I think there are a couple of basic, decent hotels, is that correct? Are they just for ST or can you actually stay there?
Staying in VM for 2-3 days to do a crash course on the area might be a good idea.
I only know of Hotel Canário, which is decent enough. You'll find more options at Praça da Bandeira.
On the sidestreets to VM there are families living perfectly normal lifes. There you might find something for rent.
Trippleecks
12-03-06, 11:26
Sperto.... As far as I know there is NO title insurance in Brazil...
Anyone familiar with this company? Are they con artists or legit?
http://www.luxorio.com/
It might not be legal to use escrow accounts as this is not the proper way to pay the apto owner. It might also be illegal to handle the documents/paperwork outside Brazil. They might not have real estate license.
This is just what I heard about LuxoRio. I could be totally wrong.
RioStevens
12-03-06, 14:35
It might not be legal to use escrow accounts as this is not the proper way to pay the apto owner. It might also be illegal to handle the documents/paperwork outside Brazil. They might not have real estate license.
This is just what I heard about LuxoRio. I could be totally wrong.I've actually met with the people at LuxoRio previously as well as seen some of their properties (about 1 year ago - July 2005 during a trip to RDJ). It is an intensely professionlly (Gringo) run organization and they were a very impressive business especially for what I'm used to finding in Brazil. The properties were magnificent - expensive for sure but one might argue well worth it - and the one property that I contemplated purchasing was sold 5 days after I looked at it to another Gringo (a Brit).
Apparently they do offer title insurance and everything is done through the States with lawyers, accountants, etc. from some extremely reputable companies (I remember PricewaterhouseCoopers was somehow involved, can't get much more legit than that). So for your speculative comments on the company being somehow "illegal" with what they are doing, it would seem impossible for a company like PWC to be involved if the whole thing hadn't been thoroughly research and approved.
That's my two cents on the company. Now let's return to the discussion on the GIRLS in RIO which is why we're all here!!!! TA TA!! People who want to discuss real estate can just contact the company directly.
This Therma is one block West (past) Luomo, and half block South (left). The facilities are similar to a mid level therma, it has a so so steam suanna, OK showers, tooth brushes, razors, etc, the bar is not as well appointed as the nicer thermas but they had a decent dance floor with the girls moving around and being sexy. Cost was 40R to enter and 140R for cabinne and girl. There was one stunner tall brunette, very pretty, lovely voice, slender, and some english, but too stand-off-ish toward me. And I was the only guy there it was about 9:30 Friday evening, probably about 6-7 women ranging from 6-7 YMMV. I ordered a gin an tonic the bartender gave me a can of tonic cost 4R I had to make it very clear I wanted Gin and she charged another 8R for that. One of the girls approached me introduced herself and before long grinding me. The bartender asked if I wanted to buy her a drink I said no, went to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) came back and she had a beer. It ended up on my tab 8R which sort of ticked me off upon departure. The garrota was performance a 7, DFK, CBJ, though not thrilled about the CBJ she was active in bed and liked to kiss. Reminded me that I need to interview better. I felt rushed to take a girl as they closed at 11:00 probably early because no customers.
The only reason I would go back would be to nail the stunner. Of course that is probably why most guys would go back.
Met Tom&Jerry earlier Friday eveing we are going to do some mongering this week. I look forward to that.
Went to Help Veranda (after leaving the Phoenix) around 11:30 pm had a delicious salad, garrotas everywhere. I turned a few down who asked if they could sit. I'd say only a couple 8's out of probably 50 but it is hard to see because most are sitting at tables and as we all know some of those really attractive GP's can be total sharks.
One GP approached and was fun and lively. We talked in broken english. She started at 240R for TLN, I let her do the negotiating I repeated 150R a dozen times . . . she said OK 150R and 30R tax. I said NO Tax about five times times and she finally shook her head and said OK!!! I reconfirmed the price a couple times as we walked to the apartment (even wrote it down on a piece of paper before we left the restaurant). She was so so in bed I'd rate performance 6-7, she had a fantastic bunda what a nice firm ride!! Two 45 minute sessions (one in the morning). She asked for payment up front after getting naked which was the first indication she could be a problem (ie other mongers say they boot the garrota out when this happens) but I let it pass and she relented after a couple verbal exchanges. Anyway OK sex on her part but not as passionate as I would have expected from her earlier behavior, then after a casual early morning wake up and sex she was ready to leave I told her 150R on the table, she picked it up and asked for the 30R tax. So again I said NO tax. She said she wouldn't leave until she got the 30R for taxi and I reitereated no taxi about 30 times. Finally she said she would call the police, (big problem for me) her boyfriend etc, etc. I said OK!! She called the night porter and spoke to him about 5 minutes, she handed me the phone and he asked if I would please just give her 20R, but by this time I was stuck on principle and said no. Apparently the night porter wouldn't call the police for her, as she called him again about 10 minutes later, and threatned me that the police were on their way . . . I said GOOD! After another 10 minutes I was really starting to dislike this **** so I said you must leave NOW I will give you 10R, so after a few more minutes of bickering she finally took the 10R and left.
So for all the aggravation the sex was worth maybe 50R - 75R. Should have booted her when she asked for the money up front. Funny how I generally only remember the good times as I remenisse later on. So perhaps this was a good wake up call to get me prepared for the next month of mongering.
I need some recent addresses of the sex apt in Copa and in Centro, and also the pay by the minute places.
I'll be there Jan. 12.
First time posting here. It's been 2 years since I have been to Rio, but I will be there in a few weeks. L'uomo was always my favorite termas. Visited about 25 times & never a problem with a girl or my bill. What a bummer to hear it sucks now. Would any of the new termas be the current equivalent to what L'uomo once was?
Mangera,
I repeatedly have tried to warn everyone (especially the newbies) about L'uomo. When it was good, it was very good. Now, it is just another rip-off joint. The best thing we can do is to speak with our dollars and just stay away.
One GP approached and was fun and lively. We talked in broken english. She started at 240R for TLN, I let her do the negotiating I repeated 150R a dozen times . . . she said OK 150R and 30R tax. I said NO Tax about five times times and she finally shook her head and said OK!!! I reconfirmed the price a couple times as we walked to the apartment (even wrote it down on a piece of paper before we left the restaurant). She was so so in bed I'd rate performance 6-7, she had a fantastic bunda what a nice firm ride!! Two 45 minute sessions (one in the morning). She asked for payment up front after getting naked which was the first indication she could be a problem (ie other mongers say they boot the garrota out when this happens) but I let it pass and she relented after a couple verbal exchanges. Anyway OK sex on her part but not as passionate as I would have expected from her earlier behavior, then after a casual early morning wake up and sex she was ready to leave I told her 150R on the table, she picked it up and asked for the 30R tax. So again I said NO tax. She said she wouldn't leave until she got the 30R for taxi and I reitereated no taxi about 30 times. Finally she said she would call the police, (big problem for me) her boyfriend etc, etc. I said OK!! She called the night porter and spoke to him about 5 minutes, she handed me the phone and he asked if I would please just give her 20R, but by this time I was stuck on principle and said no. Apparently the night porter wouldn't call the police for her, as she called him again about 10 minutes later, and threatned me that the police were on their way . . . I said GOOD! After another 10 minutes I was really starting to dislike this **** so I said you must leave NOW I will give you 10R, so after a few more minutes of bickering she finally took the 10R and left.
So for all the aggravation the sex was worth maybe 50R - 75R. Should have booted her when she asked for the money up front. Funny how I generally only remember the good times as I remenisse later on. So perhaps this was a good wake up call to get me prepared for the next month of mongering.
Zidaho,
I am not experienced as you and others here, but I wonder if the hard negotiating for $10-$20 also turns off the GDP. I am not saying you should pay whatever she demands. However, if you had said 150 + 20 - she'd probably would have agreed and possibly performed better in bed. From what I have read and experienced in Rio, it is common to ask for taxi (R20-30) over the price. Just wondering.
Cheers.
El Austriaco
12-04-06, 01:05
Zidaho,
I am not experienced as you and others here, but I wonder if the hard negotiating for $10-$20 also turns off the GDP. I am not saying you should pay whatever she demands. However, if you had said 150 + 20 - she'd probably would have agreed and possibly performed better in bed. From what I have read and experienced in Rio, it is common to ask for taxi (R20-30) over the price. Just wondering.
Cheers.
I disagree that it is "common" for freelancers to ask for cab money over the price in Rio. Will some of them try to get more money out of you, in terms of cab money, or food, or milk for the poor baby at home? Sure, especially the more hardcore they are... just like anywhere else. But even the amount asked for (R$ 20.00 to R$ 30.00) is indicative to me that the girls sure won't use it for a cab. Where does she need to go? A cab ride to Centro doesn't cost more than R$ 20.00... and it is unlikely she will be going to Centro. And a trip back to Veranda Help, Meia Pataca, Balcony, Mabs or any other of their usual hangouts in Copacabana sure costs way less from any of the major hotels or love motels.
And if she is actually going home (a big if), you can bet she won't take a cab, but the bus. Once, my favorite GDP (who lives in Bonsuccesso) explained it to me in very simple terms: if she has money on her, like right after turning a trick, it is safer for her to take the bus than a cab, since a cabbie will immediately figure out she must be a hooker that just turned a trick, because otherwise, she wouldn't be taking a cab in the first place. So taking a cab in that situation would actually expose her to the risk of getting robbed or worse by the cab driver, and for her own safety, she prefers to keep a low profile.
So as much as they might like to ask for "cab money" (meaning really just "more money"), it certainly is even less common to PAY cab money for them. If the performance was good, just consider it a tip: and just like a tip, it is optional, not compulsory.
As to Zidaho's experience, I gotta say that from the very beginning (like having to say "no" to cab money FIVE times during the negotiation), she had the signs of a trouble-maker, and personally, I probably would have ditched her a long time ago... without going with her. Based on my personal experience, negotiating should be at least some fun for both, and if it isn't, then the ultimate experience is not likely to be good. And then, when she asked for the money up front, well, that really should have been the last straw right there and then.
IMHO, it would have been better to say "150, and if you really make me happy, I'll give you a small tip". Would have been a tangible incentive for her to perform at her very best.
So don't take any cab money BS from them and just offer them a performance-related bonus, if you are so inclined. Same price, possibly very different outcome.
EA
So for all the aggravation the sex was worth maybe 50R - 75R. Should have booted her when she asked for the money up front.
In my experience when they ask for the money up front then I have made a mistake.
Most of the time I ask them to leave without negotiation because I have learned that even if they then decide to take the money later the mood is sort of shot and the remainder of the experience either way will not be good.
Now mostly I just give them the boot and go back and get another one, I have even rode back with them in the taxi but not pay their entrance back in to Help.
I have also seen that many of the girls who ask for the money up front are the girls from the South of Brazil for some reason. They told me that this is the way it is done down there, I told them you are not in Santa Catarina but you are in Rio. It's a shame because I like these girls from the south with their European features.
Dodger Bulldog
12-04-06, 03:21
I have even rode back with them in the taxi but not pay their entrance back in to Help.So I take it that there is no re-entry to Help on the same night? You have to pay a cover each time?
If so, I'll certainly want to be pretty damn sure of a girl before I take her out of there in the first place.
DB
JackNimble
12-04-06, 06:53
First trip coming up for me. . . can the video here http://www.totallyrio.com/ be real? Sure, I've seen the pictures in the forum -- but nothin like seeing them live. Click on the termas link and check out the video clip they took from inside L'uomo, oh experienced ones please answer: Is the quality and talent of the ladies in the video representative of what one finds?
Last week while I was in Rio, I was hanging out at my apartment with a termas girl that I usually spend some time with in and out of my apartment during most of my trips. She has never asked for a penny, and we usually have interesting conversations about how are lives differ being that we are from different origins and so forth. She is honest for the most part about her dealings with clients.
Last week, she was checking her email on my laptop in my apartment. She had no problems showing me her email. I saw the long list of suckers that send emails with pics of themselves writing how much they miss her and they just think they might have fallen in love with her. Interesting that only a couple of brazilians actually emailed her, the rest were tourists.
She looks back at me as I am reading this crap over her shoulder, and she tells me that one of the reasons that she respects me and takes me seriously is because I don't send her emails with all of this hogwash. I just sending her an email asking her how is she doing, as well as how is her family doing. She knows that I have already established a relationship with her thats just based on being sex partners that have good chemistry in bed and we are friends outside of bed. Wierd, but true. I know that eventually one day she will come up with the old family medical excuse crap so that I lend her cash. She knows my thoughts on that topic, and the result could be termination of relationship. So I don't think she will pull that one anytime in the near future.
But again, she had all of these emails from dopes all around the world telling her different things that made me realize just how many gullible men are out there. I am sure that some of these guys send her money as well as gifts. There is no sense in me asking her, its just a given that she has some of these guys on a string. Very sad. But hey, if they ( men) are blind to this, they will just have to learn the hard way.
I always look at the big picture and try to almost always think with my bigger head, and keep in mind that once these garotas get cash in turn for services, they are not going to turn back, and be little angels. I don't ever want to fall prey to a garota like this one. Its a crazy world out there. Just beware gentlemen, no matter how genuine or sincere they may seem ( there are some academy award winning performances out there ), its all an illusion. By the way, colombian girls are neck in neck with the brasileras on this topic.
My last thought, gentlemen have fun, but always keep rule # 1 in mind when traveling. "Don't fall in love!" Laters!
P.S. sorry, maybe I should have posted this in the general or rio board.Mangera, of course you are correct when you say that you should never fall in love with the garotas. I believe that these are business transactions and should be treated as such. However, I'm sure that you will agree that sometimes affairs of the heart can be tricky. If you are new to enjoying the services of beautiful exotic women, you may become confused. Sometimes the garotas themselves become confused! If one desires the services of one girl in particular I see nothing wrong with that, and I would never categorize such a person as a sucker. Even if the occasional gift is exchanged. It is important to remember to never send money or extravagant gifts that you can't afford.
H
JackNimble
12-04-06, 09:46
You must pay to get back in - just depends on the time from what I understand.
Most places have either a R$1000 (hsbc) or R$600(limit per card), also try Bradesco or Banco Brasil. As far as I know, only HSBC prints a rate on their receipts. The only way to know what you were charged , in USD, is to look at the total amount of the withdrawl later, in USD, the rest is financial games, fees, exchange , etc. Bottom line is total cost in USD.
Bradesco is strange, one day it works, then the next not. They have ATM's on the cirrus and plus network for sure, but they do not always work. I have even had one ATM not work and simply move down 5 feet and the next one works.
Be aware that sometimes all the ATM's can be not working at all, it happens. So keep a few 100 in emergency cash. I have seen days where none of the 3 listed above will work with foreign cards. It usually happens on weekends, if it happens.
IBZ
Greetings Gentlemen
I will be arriving in Brazil January have searched for meaningful info on using cards in brazil but came up wanting.
CASH ADVANCES :
Mastercard/Cirrus -
Daily Limit : Generally what is the daily limit as to cash advances please ?
Fees : What fee do the brazil banks charge for each transaction , I have heard its about U$3 plus 1.5% of the value of withdrawal ?
U$ CASH NOTES :
I plan to bring about U$1,000 in cash notes. Are U$100 denominations easy to change at banks ? or should I bring 50's or even smaller denominations ? Want to avoid smaller denominations as too many when 1000 is involved.
Thanks for any help in this regard.
I will post a report on the return from my journey.
J
Trippleecks
12-04-06, 13:43
Joking.... you are not going to be able to cash in any Dollars in banks in Copacabana... You must use cambios to exchange Dollars...
Be very careful not to use your c/cards anywhere in Brazil except for ATM´s..
You do not want to have your vacation spoiled by someone stealing your card info and using it to your credit limit..... bring cash, ATM cards, and if you must travelers checks as an emergency backup only. Travelers checks have the worst exchange rate in Brazil.....
At least for VISA it works like this:
* Banco do Brasil: max withdrawal and daily limit=R$ 1000
* Bradesco: max withdrawal and daily limit=R$ 600
* HSBC: max withdrawal and daily limit=R$ 1000
* Citybank: max withdrawal=R$ 1000, allows multiple withdrawals
Citybank and HSBC shows a rate on the receipt.
Machines working with foreign cards can be recognized on the stickers. A bank can have like 15 machines, but only one machine working with foreign cards.
The Citybank on Av N S Cop, next to the Blockbuster, has 2 machines and usally no que. The streetkids on the outside can help you carry your money home.
At least for VISA it works like this:
* Banco do Brasil: max R$ 1000
* Bradesco: max R$ 600
* HSBC: max R$ 1000
* Citybank: max R$ 1000, allows multiple withdrawals
Citybank and HSBC shows a rate on the receipt.
Machines working with foreign cards can be recognized on the stickers. A bank can have like 15 machines, but only one machine working with foreign cards.
The Citybank on Av N S Cop, next to the Blockbuster, has 2 machines and usally no que. The streetkids on the outside can help you carry your money home.
There is a Citibank on the other side of NS Cop that is more of a bank. a few blocks down toward Ipa.
For me, the limits quoted are per transaction, and depending on your card limit you can get more, for example, I can get $2000R from Citibank with two transactions. Or the same at Bradesco with 4 transactions (600.600,600,200) and the per transactoin fee is worse.
Also consider that the card lmits are per day and saturday, sunday and monday count as one day (at least at citibank usa)..
One last comment, I did a BofA atm withdrawal at a Banco do Brazil ATM. It said connection not possible. I changed to my Citibank ATM card, asked for r$1000, it said that was over my lmiit (not true). I did one more and asked for r$400 which it gave me, all in 10 and 20 bills.. so the problem was the machine was out of larger bills. Later I looked on my B of A account and saw the deduction. I had to dispute it, and they agreed with me, after about 6 weeks.. so KEEP YOUR RECEIPTS even if rejected..
Member #4217
12-04-06, 15:38
Me and My bud were at Balcony last night, and there was one girl, about a 5 or 6, not well dressed, but in a pinch doable. I figured an easy R100, R150 max.
Called her over, and she said R350! I laughed, and told her she was in the wrong place. She insisted that she could get this, and had in the past. I told her good luck and bi bi!
She said she would go to HELP! And, I told her Good Luck at HELP, also.
Yes, she had a better chance at HELP, as she pointed out, lots more unsuspecxting gringos! But, I would expect her to drop to R150 - R200 aound 4 AM, even at HELP! and, I told her this!
We laughed and left!
Tom
Or the same at Bradesco with 4 transactions (600.600,600,200)...
The daily limit at Bradesco is R$ 600.
The daily limit at Bradesco is R$ 600.Right. Beware that some Bradesco or Banco do Brasil agencies won't accept your international Visa card. The daily limit is BY CREDIT CARD, if you travel with a Visa, a Diner's and an American Express CC, you should be able to get R$3000 a day.
Don't ruin the monger market though overpaying GDP's... ;-)
The daily limit at Bradesco is R$ 600.
Maybe it depends. I have taken out multiple 600 reais dozens and dozens of times. It was with both my BofA card and Citibank card. However it has been a couple of months since I did that, so maybe they changed.
Anyway. Folks should know now where they can get money..
Following all the reports some of you gentlemen posted, let me tell you about my miss adventures:
I went to Villa Mimosa! Following Tom and Jerry 527 recomendation, I dressed down to look loke a local. I think I over did it; bums were giving me their loose change! Anyways, I went down there with no money, I was just trying to take in the sights, when I saw this gal with an ass that just begging for attention. I said, WTF, let's go to the Hotel Canario. Thinking about it, I remember that I had no cash (No cash no ass! ). The last thing I was doing in that environment was to pull out a credit card. So I went back to my hotel all the way back to Copacabana, came back to the same spot, and guess what happened? No f*ck%ng girl! Nevertheless, I did not give up. I have been to Villa Mimosa 3 times looking for this gal and I still couldn't find her. But one always have to look on the bright side. This is Rio. So I went to River Center Massagen and had a full hour session with Mel (19 y/o). She has a serious body, small waist, nice tits (35'Bs), flat tummy and yes, ass for weeks. Full body massage, sex, the whole for 115 reals.
After another failed attempt, I went to 4 X 4, my first time downthere. I was all psyched about going in there. I changed into the robe they provide, took a shower, I mean I was ready to go! I walked into the main boite and. Not a soul sat by me for almost 15 minutes! Now, this isn't my first time in a terma. I just found the proceedings rather peculiar. Maybe it was the time of day (2: 30pm and there were only three customers, including me). Anyway, Daniela (24y/o, morena) ran into me just before I left the joint. She is well traveled (Had a British boyfriend once), and speaks some English. She proceeded to explain that despite the place being a *****house, some of the gals still think they are all of that, acting all stuck up (WTF? ). She is your typical brazilian type: Full tan lines (Nice! ), small waist, flat, flat tummy, big tits (36 see or D, natural), big bubble butt and the tightest snatch I've ever sampled. Great service, spent 245 reals on drinks, program, etc.
Thank you Exec Talent for the heads up on L'uomo. They ain't seeing me coming through their doors; they were going to be my first option. Thanks TNJ527 for some insight on Villa Mimosa and your directions (You were right on the money); if 4 X 4 has big round asses, this place has some stuff straight out of a cartoon. Thank you Full Throtle for Centro Tour reports. Thank you all for making things this easy for me, I had a blast so far.
By the way, there is another massage pace on Rio Branco 156. I observed 4 gentlement enter this red carpeted hall and a scantilly clad gal. It was apartment 3330. Someone may wish to explore this place at their convenience.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Travelers checks have the worst exchange rate in Brazil.....
In Rio there is an American Express office in the Copacabana Palace Hotel, actually on the outside to the left a little. If you want to bring American Express Travelers Cheques then this office will give the official exchange rate of that day. But it is true that most Cambois in Rio will give you a bad rate but if you prefer to bring Cheques de viagem's then this is a good solution.
So I take it that there is no re-entry to Help on the same night? You have to pay a cover each time?
If so, I'll certainly want to be pretty damn sure of a girl before I take her out of there in the first place.
DB
Officially there is no reentry to Help but try to say hello to the door man on the way in so he sees your face. On the way out say good night or see you later. If you have to come back tell him you had to step out for a moment and you already paid and you want to come back in. Most of the time it works but sometimes not. As far as the girls go I would imagine lots of these guys in Help get benefits from working there and these girls are hustlers by trade so they may be able to make their way in too but not always. There is no stamp on your hand so once you’re out your out and re-entry is only if you pay again.
Maybe it depends. I have taken out multiple 600 reais dozens and dozens of times. It was with both my BofA card and Citibank card. However it has been a couple of months since I did that, so maybe they changed.
I think you're right. It propably depends on your bank and your card. The daily limits I mentioned is what the ATM's showed me. I thought that was the same for all foreign card, my mistake.
Trippleecks
12-05-06, 11:23
Joking.... Cambios always exchange 100.USD notes... no problem....
RioStevens
12-05-06, 16:16
It might not be legal to use escrow accounts as this is not the proper way to pay the apto owner. It might also be illegal to handle the documents/paperwork outside Brazil. They might not have real estate license.
This is just what I heard about LuxoRio. I could be totally wrong.I've actually met with the people at LuxoRio [http://www.luxorio.com] previously as well as seen some of their properties (about 1 year ago - July 2005 during an amazing trip to RDJ). It is an intensely professionlly (Gringo) run organization and they were a very impressive business especially for what I'm used to finding in Brazil. The properties were magnificent - expensive for sure but one might argue well worth it - and the one property that I contemplated purchasing was sold 5 days after I looked at it to another Gringo (a Brit).
Apparently they do offer title insurance and everything is done through the States with lawyers, accountants, etc. from some extremely reputable companies (I remember PricewaterhouseCoopers was somehow involved, can't get much more legit than that). So for your comments on the company being somehow "illegal" with what they are doing, it would seem impossible for a company like PWC to be involved if the whole thing hadn't been thoroughly research and approved. That's the extent of my knowledge of the company and situation, but if it helps somebody here, great.
That's my two cents on the company. Now let's return to the discussion on the GIRLS GIRLS GIRLS in RIO which is why we're all here!!!!
Pipe Layer99
12-06-06, 04:58
Things that make you go hmmmmm?
Just read the previous report about LuxoRio. Funny how a guy chimes in with only 1 previous post.
If anyone is considering buying property in Rio, do the same things you would do in the U.S. That means shop around, do your homework, and by all means dot all the i's and cross all the t's, to include getting a lawyer.
As always have fun and play safe. Donnie D
Full Throttle
12-06-06, 17:55
Haven't noticed many Help reports lately. Are all of the senior mongers present simply waiting out the high season until prices go back to normal? It doesn't look like the dollar will be worth a damn anytime soon. This year, we'll probably have all the Americans on the Veranda and the Europeans inside Help. Might be some gringo-filled subways heading to Centro!
...And I was the only guy there it was about 9:30 Friday evening, probably about 6-7 women ranging from 6-7 YMMV... I ordered a gin an tonic the bartender gave me a can of tonic cost 4R I had to make it very clear I wanted Gin and she charged another 8R for that...
The bartender asked if I wanted to buy her a drink I said no, went to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) came back and she had a beer. It ended up on my tab 8R which sort of ticked me off upon departure...
Beers were $4R last I was there, and no premium for garota drinks. Your experience implies 2 very called strikes. I hope they at least go down swinging on the 3rd...
By the way, there is another massage pace on Rio Branco 156. I observed 4 gentlement enter this red carpeted hall and a scantilly clad gal. It was apartment 3330. Someone may wish to explore this place at their convenience.
I think we have conveniently sampled Mariana, Mel and this tiny girl whose name eludes me. Thanks for the kudos!
Are a disgrace these GDP's are asking for 200R-300R for ST-TLN and they are all out of their minds. Me and my buddy are down here right now I speak the language decently because I speak spanish, my buddy and I are young mongers and in shape, and these *****s will not budge down on thier prices, we are offering 150R but some wont do bbbj (what is the world coming to) fuck them hoes, we went to Centro yesterday afternoon and fucked GDP's for cheap, Im done with the Copa scene, it is going to be strictly Termas and Centro from now on for me. I also visted VM during my trip it is filthy and nasty, and I will never go there again to each his own, I didnt come to Brasil to fuck with nasty as hoes.
Member #4217
12-07-06, 14:07
Are a disgrace these GDP's are asking for 200R-300R for ST-TLN and they are all out of their minds. Me and my buddy are down here right now I speak the language decently because I speak spanish, my buddy and I are young mongers and in shape, and these *****s will not budge down on thier prices, we are offering 150R but some wont do bbbj (what is the world coming to) fuck them hoes, we went to Centro yesterday afternoon and fucked GDP's for cheap, Im done with the Copa scene, it is going to be strictly Termas and Centro from now on for me. I also visted VM during my trip it is filthy and nasty, and I will never go there again to each his own, I didnt come to Brasil to fuck with nasty as hoes.I thought it was outragious 2 nights ago when a GDP asked for R350 at Balcony, but last night me n my bud were there. And one asked for R400!
I almost fell over! And, the night before at HELP I left at about 3:30, the place still has many stunners, and many girls, very few guys left, and the mediocre ones are still asking for R300.
But, I have noticed that a number of these girls, after going home alone, are starting to turn up at Balcony. No entry fee!
After I left Balcony last night, in shock at the R400 price, I turned the corner and got a nice GDP for R150 TKN. Photos in photo section.
Another bud and I went to VM, a few days ago, in the late afternoon, and there were several stunners. He did one for R25, and says he will post a couple photos soon.
I returned for an early afternoon look around, and came accross a cute girl, and went against my usual rule and diod her there. R25, or R30 incuiodo "culo"
Culo is not really me, so I did the R25, but as I was pounding away, I added the extra R5 to the tab!
She told me to return with my camera, so I may do that. She also gave me her number, and said if I have any buds interested in cute with anal, they could call her. So, if you are in Rio and want her number, PM me.
R25 vs R300! Streets are not clean, but there are some fine girls. You just have to look for them.
As for me, I am sorta tied to this girl I met a few years ago right now, so it cuts back on my night-time activities. But, she works until 6, so I do have my afternoons.
Oh, and for those who pay those high prices, check this out:
My cute 19 year old, with those great tits works Mon - Fri, 8 - 6, cooking and cleaning the entire building, does the cooking, serving and cleaning for any special events, for no extra pay.
She does this for R300 per month!
So, when your girl tells you R150 or R200 is "muita pouco", think about this girl who could walk out of HELP every night with R300 or more, working for R300 per month!
Sort of puts things in perspective for me!
tom
I think the reports of the demise of Luomos as a good option are premature. I was there last night & I received;
1) a hot meal-chicken, beans, rice, pasta
2) a hot shower-took a nice 10 minute shower after the cabine
3) a hot phuck-Bianca, a loira who'll suck you long time & loves it in the ass
4) a cold beer-reasonably priced for a termas
The line-up overall was not the best I've ever seen but there were a # of doables.
I saw the wicked female manager once in the relax room wagging her finger at one of the garotas but hey she was in there by herself on a chaise lounge trying to sleep. If I was the manager I would be wagging her ass out the door if she was sleeping on the job.
Overall the place had a good energy, many garotas dancing & garotas lingering long-time with customers-no pressure to keep moving.
I will return this weekend because I had a good experience.
Shemp
Holy shit batman those prices are outrageous.
2bedroom 2 bath 1400 square feet for USD$400,000 on Francisco sa. You could buy the same apartment in the same building for R400,000, maybe cheaper - then renovate to the same standard for another R50,000.
The apartment I sometimes rent is bigger, has a great view, is on the top floor, is in a better location and is currrently for sale for R400,000 - totally renovated. Add another R50,000 to bring it up to a western standard and it would be the shit!
Gentlemen: Going over the things I haven't done yet, I realized I haven't done a threesome. Going over my research of places mentioned, I decided to try something different: Belprazer (Website http://www.belprazer.com/). I saw the prices mentioned before on another forum. I thought it was too good to be true. So I went ahead and checked it out. It's Located on Rio Branco 185, room 2114.
As soon as I got there, the receptionist did not waste any time. She had the girls present themselves immediately. Remember I told you that the price seems too good to be true. It gets better: For a 4 hand massage as it is called for 40 minutes, 100 reals. For a full hour: 120 reals. Freaking SOLD!!! I grabbed Crystal (25y/o I think, 5'1", 35B/C - 26 - 38, lots of tatoos, flat tummy, big bunda) and Priscila (26 y/o, 5'5" at least, 36C - 25 - 38, Flat tummy, long legs, serious ass).
After taking showers, the session began. It went extremely well. The ladies worked well as a team. Priscila was by far the most erotic girl I've seen at any establishment during this trip. She was very spontaneous, while the other was more limber. Cristal has a lot of stamina, she was the more aggresive of the two; boy could she move! She just kept going and going. While doing one the other was stroking, DFK'ing, or just soffucationg me with their breasts. Everytime I switched ladies, they changed condoms. If I went soft, well they just sucked away until I was good to go. I think we went though 6 condoms :-). I ran out of possitions to engage these ladies, so I just started over a new rotation to keep the variety going. Priscila got me to release, what a mega babe! I had a ball and it sure as hell didn't break the bank.
On the website, click on "Valores" so you can verify the prices mentioned. I think I have to make a repeat visit to this place. Fellows, where else could you have a foursome for a full hour for less than $60? I love this country.
The facilities are air conditioned, there is a community bathroom upstairs where you can take a shower before and after the deed. The rooms have a twin size bed, nice clean sheets, and towels for every customer so you can get nice and close to the ladies you chose. Gentlemen, enjoy!
Joking.... you are not going to be able to cash in any Dollars in banks in Copacabana... You must use cambios to exchange Dollars...
Be very careful not to use your c/cards anywhere in Brazil except for ATM´s..
You do not want to have your vacation spoiled by someone stealing your card info and using it to your credit limit..... bring cash, ATM cards, and if you must travelers checks as an emergency backup only. Travelers checks have the worst exchange rate in Brazil.....
Not necessarily true. I have been using my credit card extensively for years now around Brasil, two three times a day, even in massage parlors, with no problem whatsoever.
El Greco
Travel And Mate
12-08-06, 00:25
First timer so be gentle.
I've used this board to great results, for a first timer, and so feel I ought to give something back.
Spend a nice 90 minutes with an Indi call Luana Mel (use google). All is on the menu, except no BJTC, nice enough girl, the big and sturdy type, not the tall spinner you will see in her pictures. Apartment very basic but hot shower and clean towel available. A common problem, for me at least, is the brazilian women's hairy legs and arms. Is there a shortage of razors in Brazil, has all the wax gone missing?
Then went to Monte Carlos on a Wednesday evening. Great place, 25 girls, some 8s a lot of 7s. Had Horrana for a wonderful trip around the world, ending in a smooth Greek. Good girl, fun to be with. 322 Reais got me a girl for 40 minutes (after a wonderful sexy 30 minutes play time in the lounge), room, 3 showers, a decent massage and 2 cold waters.
They also charged me 12 Raeis for drinks I did not have, I protested and left it to them as tip instead. Seems to be common practice.
Can’t beat Brasil in price/quality.
1. Hotels ~ I stayed at Rio Othon Palace (poor, twin beds, no safe) and left after one nite, next went to Rio Roiss, convenient, seedy may be a bit generous, moved to Ipanema Plaza (recomended, however quite a journey to Centro termas)
2. Rua Farme de Ameados ~ very cool, couple of good restaurants, coffee shops, kind of a non pro scene, even a non pro action bar (Devassa), a few gays here and there, mainly hetero and beach action (this is the village style street where Ipanema Plaza is located)
3. Terma Ratings listed in order first to last based on garota quality (sorry, I didn't check the hot water) ~ 1) Centaurus (keep up the boycott guys!) 2) 65 (small terma, impressive quality) 3) Monte Carlo (yes, improved) 4) 4X4 (at least two tons of bunda, plus a pretty good show if you can see it) 5) L'uomo (this place has not gone downhill, it is just in fifth place, same as it ever was) 6) Solarium (OK I didn't go there this trip, too much of a trek)
4. Meia Pattaca ~ refurbished, very nice, same old star wars bar scene crowd (why do so many black dudes insist on wearing basketball shorts and sports jerseys?) (I am genuinely curious, not trying to flame anyone)
5. Help ~ we were all happier when the Real was worth a guarter, now it is worth 50 cents, get over it guys, stop blaming the chicas for this
6. Marius Carne ~ sort of the culinary equivilent of a BBBJ if you are a meat lover
7. Non Pro Action ~ every monger's ultimate fantasy (if you look like Ben Afleck and came down on your own jet)
8. Crime and safety ~ absolutely no problems in two week visit (even a very welcome absence of shit flingers in Copa)
9. General ~ garota quality pretty good (course Dec is always a good month for hotties as they are cycling back from other venues such as Europe and gearing up for summer/carnival tourist crush)
Boa Sorte, Veterano
Not necessarily true. I have been using my credit card extensively for years now around Brasil, two three times a day, even in massage parlors, with no problem whatsoever.
El GrecoI've used my credit card through out Brazil without any trouble. The only time I have ever had trouble was after a trip to Italy and Spain, A bunch of Ryan Air tickets got charged. The card fixed it without any trouble.
Trippleecks
12-08-06, 12:31
El Greco... good for you, must be that rabbits foot in your pocket or something.. However Brazil has a reputation for being one of the most dangerous places to use your credit card.. I personally know of more than a few people that have their cards maxed out by someone stealing their card information in Brazil..
Not necessarily true. I have been using my credit card extensively for years now around Brasil, two three times a day, even in massage parlors, with no problem whatsoever.
El Greco
If that is true you are really lucky.
El Austriaco
12-08-06, 20:44
El Greco... good for you, must be that rabbits foot in your pocket or something.. However Brazil has a reputation for being one of the most dangerous places to use your credit card.. I personally know of more than a few people that have their cards maxed out by someone stealing their card information in Brazil.
I think it depends on how you use your card. For hotels etc., no problem whatsoever. In termas, for example, please note that the programa needs to be paid in cash, anyway, so it is of limited use there. Personally, I have paid lots of charges with my debit (ATM) card, without problems whatsoever (including hotels, checks at MP, Veranda Help, Porcao, for example).
Now when it comes to stores and stuff, I would be careful. I would also be especially careful when trying to get cash advances of your credit card. Needless to say, check your charges online on a semi-regular basis and if anything is amiss, call your CC company or bank immediately. Also, if your card is stolen or you have any reason to suspect someone has access to your card information, call home as quickly as you can (even in case you have credit insurance to cover any potential losses).
EA
Uncle Scrooge
12-09-06, 04:20
Quick to the point:
4x4: Cheap terma but nothing special. You might get lucky and find an 8+ garota but most of them seem to be around 5-7 to me.
Luomo: Stayed at Atlantico Copacabana so I've been to this one the most. It is not as good as it used to be but overall still my terma of preference(due to location).
Monte Carlo: Man this place has gone downhill. The number of girls as well as quality has declined. Only visit twice and the experience is nothing to brag about.
Centaurus: As everyone has already known, this place has the best looking chicks but it's the most expensive. Problem with this place is the hotter the chick, the less she is willing to put out. Having said that, once in awhile, you still need to know you just nailed a chick that looks like someone from the Victoria Secret catalog.
Help: Man, this place is getting worse by the year. Each year I come back here, the quality decrease while price increase. I was in Rio for two weeks and did not take home one, NOT ONE girl from Help. I used to take one home each nights from the years past. WTF happened to this place?
Karla Model: The women tend to be heavier than the pictures but for $100/2 hrs for full service, you can't complain. I like the fact they show up on time or early.
$$ Exchage: The best place to exchange money is not from an official exchange place but from a Jeweler store one block from Help. It's right behind Orthon Palace on Rua Xavier da Silveria. The place is called Ben Bros and the guy that works there Gabriel speaks fluent English. The exchange on Wall Street was 2.15 and I got 2.20 from him. The fact that there is no service fee either is a bonus.
Football: There is a sportsbar on the street behind Help that you can go to and watch Football / Basketball. The guy that owns the place uses a Sling box so it's not as clear but beggers / addicts can't be choosers.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Uncle Scrooge
12-09-06, 04:25
El Greco... good for you, must be that rabbits foot in your pocket or something.. However Brazil has a reputation for being one of the most dangerous places to use your credit card.. I personally know of more than a few people that have their cards maxed out by someone stealing their card information in Brazil..I can attest to this. I experienced credit card fraud two years in a row on my first two trips to Rio. After that I just bring a lot of cash and use ATM only as backup. I only use credit card for the hotel bill.
The one place that I know stole my credit card is the seafood restaurant that is as expensive and hip as Porcao at the end of the strip. I forgot the name of the restaurant though but at the end of the strip there are two high class restaurants, one steak and one seafood. The seafood one is where I got my credit card jacked and I know another guy had the same problem there too.
Pipe Layer99
12-09-06, 11:14
On my last trip in Nov - I used my Credit Card 2x at 4X4, 2x at Terraco Atlantico, many times to eat, and even for shopping. Everything was fine. My credit card company (Citibank) even alerted me on a few of the transactions. I verified the charges and let the company know I was indeed in Brazil. No problems. Just be smart about it and remain alert.
As always stay safe and play safe!! DD
Member #4217
12-09-06, 15:26
I think it depends on how you use your card. For hotels etc., no problem whatsoever. In termas, for example, please note that the programa needs to be paid in cash, anyway, so it is of limited use there.
EATermas 502 will accept credit cards for the entire bill.
Tom
Before you use your credit card, closely check your credit card agreement. You might call customer service to then verify what you read. MasterCharge and Visa add on a 3% foreign currency conversion/usage charge. Plus, the rate on the credit card is not necessarily the same as the bank exchange rate (but normally it is pretty close). But with 3% added on, you 210 real to the dollar drops down to $204BR. Not to good. Best rate is to use dollars, look for exchange rates, $100 are easiest to use. (PS: haven't checked lately, but I think the rates on ATM also have a currency surcharge rate, plus any atm charges (unless you use a bank in brasil, like Citbank card in the Citbank ATM).
For what it is worth.
Delicti
Wanderer1000
12-09-06, 18:57
Uncle Scrooge -
The seafood restaurant is Marius in Leme. I never went in the steak restaurant, but I heard it's the same owner. I first went to Marius when a Brazilian guy on the airplane said it was the best place in Rio for seafood. I've been many times and would recommend it for the great food, but I always paid in cash. Thanks for the warning on credit card fraud there. It's a surprise that a place of that level would allow that occur.
Before you use your credit card, closely check your credit card agreement. You might call customer service to then verify what you read. MasterCharge and Visa add on a 3% foreign currency conversion/usage charge.
DelictiOf the major credit card companies, Capital One is the only one that doesn't charge the 3% foreign exchange fee.
I can attest to this. I experienced credit card fraud two years in a row on my first two trips to Rio. After that I just bring a lot of cash and use ATM only as backup. I only use credit card for the hotel bill.
The one place that I know stole my credit card is the seafood restaurant that is as expensive and hip as Porcao at the end of the strip. I forgot the name of the restaurant though but at the end of the strip there are two high class restaurants, one steak and one seafood. The seafood one is where I got my credit card jacked and I know another guy had the same problem there too.
Thanks for the tip on Mariu's. Yes it is a known fact that if you use your CC in Rio some places but not all places will lift your numbers and abuse your card. For those of you who use your CC in Rio extensively consider yourself lucky. I seldom use my credit card except for a few high class restaurants where I know the management and in all cases of these restaurants when you present your card to pay the bill it is the manager of the restaurant that completes the paperwork not the staff.
Thanks for the tip on Mariu's. Yes it is a known fact that if you use your CC in Rio some places but not all places will lift your numbers and abuse your card. For those of you who use your CC in Rio extensively consider yourself lucky. I seldom use my credit card except for a few high class restaurants where I know the management and in all cases of these restaurants when you present your card to pay the bill it is the manager of the restaurant that completes the paperwork not the staff.
From what I heard from an expatriate friend that lives in Rio , there was a bad guy at Marius that finally got caught and fired concerning credit card frauds
Uncle Scrooge
12-10-06, 05:31
From what I heard from an expatriate friend that lives in Rio , there was a bad guy at Marius that finally got caught and fired concerning credit card fraudsYep Marius..That's the name. My credit card got a couple of charges from someone in Spain for a total of over 11k and maxed the credit limit out. My CC company didn't block the card probably because I called them and told them I was heading down to Rio. Anyhow, between the ATM charges and credit card exchange charges, it's more economical to bring cash and put it in the deposit box.
Another good reason to bring cash is you can monitor your spending and know how much you over/under spent. You should have a good idea when you see how much cash you have left mid way through your trip. When I have to bust out my ATM, I know then I need to seriously slow down.
BTW, forgot to warn you guys to NEVER EVER EVER use your ATM card with the charge logo on it to pay for anything. A buddy of mine used his two years ago and someone got his number. Unlike credit card fraud, when they commit fraud on your ATM charge card, they take cash straight out of your checking account and can leave it empty or even negative if you have overdraft coverage. Immediately after this happened to my friend, I called my bank and told them to remove the charge ability and send me another ATM card that only allows you to get money from an ATM requiring a PIN number. I recommend everyone to do this to their ATM card. That ATM charge card deal is seriously screwed up. It took my friend almost 3 weeks before BOFA would give his money back.
Uncle Scrooge
12-10-06, 05:37
Thanks for all the credit card and changing USD cash notes info , especially lately Nodd N and Delecti helped to clarify some points important to me , although another person said to be especially careful re cash advances with credit cards.
When I think of cash advances I mean going inside the bank and getting cash on credit card. Is there any known risk with this way ? Are the bank employees also untrustworthy ?
Once I get that angle clarified I am ready to roll , thanks to you guys.
Although it seems best to bring USD100's and change at cambios. Only problem with cash , once its lost/stolen its gone forever.
Final clarification on risks with cash advances inside banks would be appreciated.
Thanks , JJoking, I recommend against using your credit card to get cash advances. The first reason is you get charge a fee. The second reason is the interest rate for cash advances on your credit card is nothing short of criminal. Do it in case of emergency only.
Banks in Brazil are pretty safe if you go doing the day and please, if you extract money from an ATM, trust that the ATM gave you the correct amount and tuck it in your pant/jacket/etc ASAP. The worse thing you can do is stand there and count your cash. I always use Banco de Brasil because my ATM doesn't work with most other banks. There is always a cop in front of the bank during the day so you can rest easy there.
Canuck9970
12-10-06, 05:58
Joking.
I spend about 20% of a year in Sao Paulo, 75% in the U.S. and 5 % in Canada. I use debit and credit cards often in Brasil and have yet to ever have a problem. Ironically my only fraud experience was in Canada.
I have far less concern with card fraud as you only are faced with the hassle of arranging for a replacement card and are not at risk of suffering any financial loss. Carrying a large wad of cash however would not be something I would look forward to in Brasil. I have multiple credit cards and I only carry one card at a time when I am out and certainly never my entire wallet. A photostat is good to have with you at all times and also carry a R50 note in your front pocket in case you ever are faced with an actual mugging.
Yes there is crime and fraud in major Brasilian cities....just like we have in North America.
I don't want to suggest that you should not be careful. But most hotel rooms and apartment have a safe. I take my cash, straight from the airport and put it in the room safe. Most are bolted to the floor or wall and no one is going to get into it. I also lock up extra credit cards, camera, etc. Then, take out a couple of hundred at at time, change them and you are on your way. Everyone in Rio is not a crook looking to steal credit card numbers and take advantage of you. You are definately safe as to bank employees. The people standing out in front or near the bank, watching for you are a little more suspect, but during the day, busy street, still pretty safe. Here's my advice: Take cash, $100 bills. Stash them in the safe in your room. If in a hotel, you can use the hotel safety deposit box, if you don't trust the safe in your room. Don't open the safe with a garota in your room, keep it locked and take out money ahead of time. I always carry about $200-$300USD on me. I convert it when I see a good rate, and then have $400BR-$600BR. As noted, Luomo, Help and some other places (even the much maligned Centaurus) often offer the best rate. You pay in USD, get reis back as change. Take an ATM card with money in the account in case you can't find a good exchange rate, say on a Sunday before Help is open. At night, be very careful as to who is around when using the ATM. Note the ATM near blockbuster, owned by CitiBank, often has an armed security guard or two inside during busy hours, afternoon until around 6 p.m.
Cash advances from credit cards? Save it for the unexpected and unlikely (if you are reasonably careful - not paranoid!) emergency or even.
Finally, you probably should have been posting this under General Info, not Reports...
Delicti
When I think of cash advances I mean going inside the bank and getting cash on credit card. Is there any known risk with this way ? Are the bank employees also untrustworthy ?
I never had any problems with cash advances inside the bank. They should be trustworthy, but I do have friends who got their cards abused after a cash advance at Banco do Brasil.
I never pay with CC in Brazil. I heard too many stories of people getting their cards abused.
El Austriaco
12-11-06, 02:19
i never had any problems with cash advances inside the bank. they should be trustworthy, but i do have friends who got their cards abused after a cash advance at banco do brasil.
neither have i. not that i do cash advances off cc frequently.
one problem that i have encountered in rio (and only in rio) was cards getting swallowed and not returned immediately. so, if the atm looks like it might be malfunctioning, do not insert your card, especially not on weekends where you can not contact personnel immediately and retrieve it. or at least try to find the swipe-type of atm.
the reason i am saying this and that i said to be careful with cash advances on ccs was the following: one common trick in rio is the so-called "golpe" where "helpful" locals steer you to an atm that was previously doctored with which conveniently swallows your card. as you try to figure out what's wrong, someone is watching you to memorize your access code. once you give up, they retrieve your card and try to withdraw as much cash as possible. with a cc, the amount you can withdraw as a cash advance or charge to the card is usually much higher than in the case of an atm card, so the potential damage certainly is much higher, too. so if you card gets swallowed and you can not retrieve it immediately (like on the weekend), have it blocked immediately (even though with credit insurance, it might not be your loss, anyway).
also, keep in mind that except at the airport, where there are 24-hour atms, atms in copacabana only operate until 10 pm (i don't remember when they open in the morning). so my recommendations would be:
1) major expenses (hotel, etc.), charge to your cc. make sure to careful check your receipts and the charges afterwards (like online). limit cc charges to reputable places, don't use ccs as widely as you would in your home country. if theres anything amiss, call your cc company immediately. make sure they give you a phone number you can actually call from abroad (trying to call a us 800 number from abroad is usually a pain in the ass. i am speaking from experience).
2) use mainly atm cards to withdraw spending money. try to withdraw money only during daytime hours, if possible, don´t go there alone, go to atms that are guarded. don't go after nightfall and don't go on weekends if you can avoid it. in a bind, you can pay in many places by using your atm card as a simple debit card (i have paid bills at veranda help, balcony, meia pataca that way, for example).
3) if you bring cash, only bring usd and possibly eur, but i think usd dollars are still easier to exchange in brazil than eur. personally, i think the inconvenience of having to go to cambios etc. to change cash in brazil is not worth it to save whatever an atm withdrawal would cost me (in my case, wells fargo, usd 5.00 per transaction plus 3% currency conversion fee). for me personally, i find it easier to travel with two atm cards rather than bringing cash. if you do bring sizable amounts of cash, please remember that if you bring more than the equivalent of r$ 10,000, you have to declare it upon entry at the risk of confirep001ion (yes, that's 10,000 reais; not usd!). also keep in mind that, as documented in detail in the crime and safety section here on isg, there have been a number of assaults of incoming tourists on their way from the airport, so if you bring cash, at least put it in your shoes or something. if the robbers make you strip, well, the cash in your shoes is gonna be the least of your problems, i guess :). personally, i bring some cash (a few hundred bucks), but as an emergency fund only, but it's really up to you.
4) keep in mind that outside of copacabana, the number of atms that accept foreign cards can be very small. i have yet to find one in centro, for example. so if you get away from the tourist areas, be prepared that your ccs and atms might be a lot less useful than elsewhere.
btw, the story of the "golpe" and swallowed cards is not an urban myth in rio. it has happened to me... twice.
ea
Remember that there is an ATM in the La Meridian at the corner of Princess Isabella & Avenue Atlantica on the the 4th or 6th floor. Prehaps the safest location in Copacabana and it accepts credit cards and debit cards from almost all US banks. I am pretty sure it is 24/7.
RR
Remember that there is an ATM in the La Meridian at the corner of Princess Isabella & Avenue Atlantica on the the 4th or 6th floor. Prehaps the safest location in Copacabana and it accepts credit cards and debit cards from almost all US banks. I am pretty sure it is 24/7.
RR
You`re right. I t`s on the 4th floor, I always use it when I am in Rio , and like you said , could not be safer.
As a person who spends most of his time lurking on this site, I felt a bit compelled to write tonight. I've been to Brazil 13 times since 2002. Nine of those times to Rio. Unfortunately, my last visit was in November of 2005. Because of the craziness of my schedule and a workload that has increased, I've been unable to get back. Family has also compelled me to remain in the northern 50.
In the time that I have been traveling to Brazil, I've become more than moderately conversationally fluent. I've become friends with 100's of Brazilians. I love the language and it sounds like music to me now. And, as much as I love the women there . . . I love the people in general. Add to that that the smells and the sites of the city, the country, etc. There is something magical about Brazil and for those of us who have experienced it, I know that this is not news or surprising.
Occasionally, when songs like "Only a Dream in Rio," "Rio de Janeiro Blues," or "Garota de Ipanema" play on the radio, I drift back there. In another life, I'd move there. In this life, I have obligations that carefully keep me stable in the US . . . but always dreaming of my next return.
So, please excuse my emotionally ladened mental meandering. I watched a James Taylor special and heard him talk about his experience in Rio . . . and was catapulted back. It's easy to become focused on the gilrs, but there is so much more to Brasil. Sometime the missing is painful and I am able to completely embrace the word "saudade." It fits well.
Okay, back to regularly scheduled programming.
SD
No use of ATM machines so no gobbling up of card or risk of on the street crime. When using card I'll step inside bank and get a large cash advance from bank employees , hop in taxi straight in front of bank , no walking around with large wad. Back to Hotel and into safe deposit box.
Keep safe and keep several options open. the Brasilian banking system is a world unto itself. To "step inside bank and get a large cash advance from bank employee" may take a lot longer than back home. First they'll point you to the ATM. Then they may say they cannot do cash advances on your card. This is after you have waited a while in line and been referred from one emplyee to another. they are not trying to mess you about, it's just how banks in Rio work.
If you have, say, Visa, find a bank that has Visa clearly displayed. Go there preferably when it's not too busy. Unless you strike lucky straight away ro your Portuguese is very good indeed, get someone who speaks English. Explain to them very firmly that a condition of them displaying the Visa sign, by law, is that they must give you up to the max on your card account. This is a requirement laid down by Visa and they can have the right to display the sign taken away if the bank refuses. (As I found out by several long distance phone calls to Visa.)
However, there's another prob. Some banks are only linked up to the Brasil Visa system, so you do genuinely have to find ones that are internationally connected.
Allowing for queues, your stepping in could take maybe an hour. Of course you might be lucky, but I'm speaking from experience and quite a few trips.
ATMs - I haven't come across the eat-the-card scam but it's certainly not beyond belief. Trouble is the ATM at the Meridien can be temperamental in its choice of which cards to accept. (There are two or three banks in the immediate vicinity though.) ATMs also have a habit of running out of cash - busy times (eg payday) seem the worst. I take the point on security though if you are feeling anxious. One of the best all-round centres is the American Express office at the Copacabana Palace on Av Atlantica. They speak good English and as far as I recall will give you cash on your card as easily as if you were at home and I think there's maybe an ATM too. Outside of Help and thermas they also give the best rate if you are changing currencies.
Make sure you have the numbers to cancel any card that is lost or stolen. If you have more than one with you then you are probably ok.
Dodger Bulldog
12-12-06, 04:48
One tip I picked up along the way:
Bring some tape along and tape your bills to the TOP of the safe, out of plain sight. Then leave just a few smaller bills lying on the bottom.
If someone does get into your safe, they will grab the decoy money and never think to check for bills taped to the top.
Also, by letting them get a little (instead of none at all) they will be satisfied instead of angry, and less likely to break things and screw with the rest of your stuff.
DB
Pipe Layer99
12-12-06, 07:10
You guys are on top of things as far as planning ahead.
I travelled there with cash to get by on my first trip. I knew the risk of losing it all at one pop, but I'm smarter than that and nothing happened.
The 2nd trip, I brough some cash to change and to pay for my apt (about $1200). The rest of the trip I used ATMs and a credit card.
But damn, taping the cash to the safe and leaving a decoy.
Great idea! And I thought I was on to[p of things as far as being security minded.
Fellas, play safe and enjoy yourselves!!
I will see some of you there next Mar/April
Donnie D
When I have a room safe with a key I use a magnetic key hider, the kind you put your car keys in and stick them under your bumper ( smaller than a credit card and about a 1/2 inch thick ) Then i just find a creative spot to stick it to, sometimes I will go out on the balcony and stick it on the air conditioner.
That way I never have to carry it around, and can get in and out of the safe quick when the garota is in the shower
On the ATM subject , my experience with Bradesco has been 2 withdrawls of $R600 and then it will only give me $R300 right after that for a total of $R1500 per day.
There has been so much beautiful pussy the past 12 days it is difficult to report. It occured to me to bring a few reference books this time, in one of those a picture branded into my brain, the population histogram of Brazil now at the begginning of a 10 year . . . 20-30 year old baby boom bubble which evidenced by the average age of girls in Help is undeniably true. I decided I like that place again!!
The beach life has been mostly cloudy but the amazingly beautiful bunda, model quality bodies, makes up for it. I like finding intellegent/elegant milfs (30-40 year olds)and with the competition they have it is easier to negotiate favorable terms. Hummm. I really like the beautiful elegant brasiladas who know how to get it on.
Though the milf talent is weak at Luomo right now, it´s OK. My ISG friend Junior (from the Netherlands)and I like centauraus it still has some very lovely MILFs. THings have changed only a little at Luomo. I am in negotiations there with a pretty brunette, 25-27 year old to join me in Argentina for Christmas this year. It only costs $2?0.00 RT from Rio per person.
Í´ll post some details about my stay with some pictures in a few days. It sure has been fun. Thanks to Tom&Jerry, my lurker friend Ray and couple of other North Americans we have been having some good laughs and being true mongers.
Member #4217
12-14-06, 14:18
As I was leaving my 2 monger friends at HELP Veranda, for a nice quiet night of well deserved rest and sleep, about 4 of these 12 to 14 year old girls ran up to me to beg for money. I am certain you have all had this happen.
I figured I would give them any change that I might have in my pocket, so I put my hand in my pocket. It came out empty.
When I opened my hand to show that I had nothing .... in a flash.... her hand hit my watch and was gone as fast as it appeared.
Fortunately for me, my watch band was a sturdy leather, and although a little torn, it held it's place, and she got nothing.
Beware the little beggers, my friends. They learn their trades at a very young age.
Tom
The Help girls are a strange breed. Last night there were few people at Help. Lots of girls without any business. I dislike doing bargaining inside Help but still checked around.
Several girls have this argument: business is not going well, so to earn money they keep up their high prices. Lowering their price and have more customers is an equation that doesn´t work for them.
Anyway, had a nice afternoon today in Edificio Central, Av Rio Branco 156. Checked out a bunch of casas. Thanks Ibiza and FT for recommending apto 3320. 12 lovely ladies in one place. :)
Tiradentes
12-16-06, 20:12
Hey Folks;
Great news to me.
I just found out that my employer is dishing out a free week of vacation from December 25 th till January 1st. So immediately I thought of going to Rio.
I was wondering if anyone knows if the termas in Rio are open during that week ( except for X-mas day, off course!).
Thanks alot for any info.
I was in Rio this WE and stayed at the Rio Roiss behind the Othon Palace, a few meters from Help and Terraca Atlantica. Hotel is definitely seedy, relatively cheap ($70) and very girl friendly. By the way even though it is only 1 block to the hotel from Help one girl wanted to take a taxi, which I declined. A couple minutes later, halfway through the 3 minute walk, a little kid tried to rip my watch off my arm while another one was approaching me from the other side... He failed, but better remember to be careful in Rio.
Went to Help Saturday night. Entrance fee goes up about 50% after midnight, however the place really does not get going before 1:00AM. Lots of girls and quite a few customers too. All the girls I talked to quoted more than R300 but would settle for R300, none would do anal, . Had a Britney Spears look-alike who was just as talented. That did not last long, sent her home after a first round of unspired CBJ & missionary.
I checked out the Terraca Atlantica, 90% of the girls were black. I went back into Help after paying the entrance fee again and ended up with a beautiful mulata with great personality. She stayed till the morning and was a great GFE provider. No complaints, other than the fact that I ened up paying 2 X R300 + 2 X the entrance fee + the hotel etc, in total not a cheap experience but not unexpected either.
Member #4378
12-17-06, 13:03
I was in Rio this WE and stayed at the Rio Roiss behind the Othon Palace, a few meters from Help and Terraca Atlantica. Hotel is definitely seedy, relatively cheap ($70) and very girl friendly. Mahal,
I would call Rio Roiss one-girl friendly. They dont allow 2 or more girls even for an extra charge, once you book a double room. I learned this hard way when I arrived to the hotel at 3am with 2 girls and argued with a front desk guy for 20 minutes since they used to allow 2 or more girls a year earlier. It was pity to let one of the girls go since I had striked a good deal with them. When I stayed there, the hotel was half empty. I guess many mongers do not usually stay there and non-mongers prefer different locations. The hotel definitely needs some renovation or policy change regarding multiple simultaneous visits or both.
Dimension, what you do is bring one girl up at a time. There is a camera that is aimed at the elevators, his manager (the next day) can see if he allows you to bring in 2 girls. So what you do is bring up one girl than return and grab the second a few minutes later. Ive done it a bunch of times at Rio Roiss and the Princess hotel.
just got back from a short trip.
the observations here from some people who are being quoted 300 reals or more at places like help or balcony makes me laugh.
very loudly. don't want to offend, but you people must have sucker stamped on top of your forehead.
a girl from help. and most certainly from balcony will be very happy with 200, and you can often bargain down to 150, if you really want to.
of course, some language facility helps, i really don't have it, but can get by with my spanish and establish at least basic communication.
90% of help. outside of help girls being black is an overstatement, though they do make up the majority. of course, this also depends on what you mean by black. some people would call those black girls, mulattas.
speaking of black, african americans are by far the biggest monger group in rio which is a little amazing considering they constitute 12% or so of the american population, and rio of course also has european tourists, etc.
some people claim this has caused the scene to go down/deteriorate, and though i agree about the deterioration, i find no linkage with a lot of brothas being down there, because when one asks, how, why the answers are not satisfactory. ergo, i find such comments tinged with racism.
and there's no reason to be racist. gone are the wannabe video rappers with their best thug outfits, what's left is just a bunch of regular and friendly guys who actually know what time it is (they won't pay 300 plus for those girls) and are looking for a good time, like everyone else.
there was a hell of fight between some african americans and italians a little while back i was told. it was so intense, the place was up for grabs and security was unable to control it.
getting back to more relevant issues.
the freelancer help/balcony scene is worse than i've ever seen it and i say this because there don't seem to be many of the types of girls i always look for, the newbies, the occasional, the ones visiting a friend and trying things out, etc. almost all of the girls there have been in the game for a while, some amazingly longtime. i saw a girl i first saw at help back in the winter of 1997 (when she was probably ****). unlike many other mares around the track too many times, she actually still looks fairly good.
monte carlo terma was good. very few tourists, mostly brazilians (the way i like it) and good female male ratio. (and most girls suited brazilian male tastes, many blondes) one reason i avoided the terma the last several years is as tourists piled in it became one huge lumberfest, de facto brothel. termas are expensive though. 40 mins plus cabin plu girl plus entrada will cost you 260 reals. termas are good if you don't mind a quickie, and if you don't mind paying such prices.
boites are the way they've always been, it's vehicle to suck money out of your pocket, but they're fun to troll around if you have a buddy or two. i snagged a hottie out of barbarella for an all nigher for 300 reals btw. of course, in that place you'll get hit for 60 entrada for yourself and a 60 real salida for her to take her out (that price includes 2 drinks)
other than that. same old same old. the city and the local women (and i'm not talking about the hos) strike me as better than ever, i kept on getting bowled over with the quality of women just walking around.
ultimately, in terms of pure p4p, the zona sula prices are fairly ridiculous. you can find similar talent in centro for say 25 reals for a short time, etc but then the question becomes - can you really be in rio and enjoy rio for what it is, when you are in the city center, and not by the beach?
lastly, a food recommendation.
rather than spending stupid money at oceanfront cafes on food, (unless you want the oceanfront dining experience) etc,, go to where the locals eat. one great example being the comida by the kila places. (where you pay based on how much your plate weighs).
ps. 2 other comments as related to some things posted here
a) your cc will not get stuck in an atm because many many atms in copa are of the "slide thru" variety, so i just don't understand such problems. of course, be sure you are using an atm that will accept/work with your card.
b) the sports bar that is now open and offers nfl games is right behind terraza atlantico and is called "the office", opened up by an aussie expat. the name is a very interesting reference that most expats and frequent rio visitors will recognize.
lastly, help is 22 reals until midnight. then it's 32 reals afterwards. that's why the best time to be outside is between 11 and 12. you pretty much get to see everyone that will go in, and you'll see who stays outside. the outside scene goes strong late because many girls don't have the money or don't want to pay the money to go in (you should be able to get such girls for no more than 150 reals). considering help used to be 7 reals to get in, and then 12 reals. the current pricing is preposterous.
to me, that's probably the real reason for the decline of the place.
just got back from a short trip.
the observations here from some people who are being quoted 300 reals or MORE at places like Help or Balcony makes me laugh.
very loudly. Don't want to offend, but you people must have sucker stamped on top of your forehead.
a girl from Help. and most certainly from Balcony will be VERY HAPPY with 200, and you can often bargain down to 150, if you really want to.
I snagged a hottie out of Barbarella for an all nigher for 300 reals btw. Of course, in that place you'll get hit for 60 entrada for yourself and a 60 real salida for her to take her out (that price includes 2 drinks) .
Just curious but you are saying that if someone is just quoted 300 reais at Help, this is funny and they must look like a sucker? And the fact that you paid 300 reais for a girl at Barbarella's is Ok? Why do you say this? Is it because you figure that the quality of the girl from Brabarellas was superior to the girls at Help in total? Even though I have met many a girl at Help who were either currently working at Barbarellas or have in the past but either way you paid it, care to explain?
Considering Help used to be 7 reals to get in, and then 12 reals. the current pricing is PREPOSTEROUS.
to me, that's probably the real reason for the decline of the place.
How long ago was Help entrada 7 reais? How many years ago was this? With inflation and everything in Rio has gone up in price but how does the higher entrance fee caused the decline in Help? Because the girls have to charge more to recover their investment?
Just curious but you are saying that if someone is just quoted 300 reais at Help, this is funny and they must look like a sucker? And the fact that you paid 300 reais for a girl at Barbarella's is Ok? Why do you say this? Is it because you figure that the quality of the girl from Brabarellas was superior to the girls at Help in total?Sorry Rio Bob,
But I tend to agree with our fellow monger : The average Barbarela's GDP are much more classy, educated and stunning than the average Help's GDP (and I mean you can go back to your place as if she was a non-pro).
Sure you can always get some stunners at Help, but nothing compare with Barbarela's average looking.
R$ 300 is a good deal when they started with a R$600 for one pop.
I should say too that a Barbarela GDP isn't the real GFE experience. There's no sucker at all, you must pay for what you're looking for.
Meus 2 centavos,
U.
Just curious but you are saying that if someone is just quoted 300 reais at Help, this is funny and they must look like a sucker? And the fact that you paid 300 reais for a girl at Barbarella's is Ok? Why do you say this? Is it because you figure that the quality of the girl from Brabarellas was superior to the girls at Help in total? Even though I have met many a girl at Help who were either currently working at Barbarellas or have in the past but either way you paid it, care to explain?
generally speaking the girls at Barbarella would be considered more attractive yes, and undisputably, regardless of whether you agree with the first statement, the pricing structure for a Barbarella girl is higher. They (B girls) were quoting 400 reals a couple of years ago. I have also found thru the years that now it's far more rare to see a Barbarella girl at Help than before. Not sure why this is the case, but that's my assessment.
as to pricing, yes, if the Barbarella girl was up for money and B closed without her getting anyone, they'd head over to a place like Help late, but then at that time, and at Help, they would have to lower their prices to "help" levels. remember that (rightly or wrongly) a Barbarella girl considers herself above, ergo, worth more than a Help girl.
How long ago was Help entrada 7 reais? How many years ago was this? With inflation and everything in Rio has gone up in price but how does the higher entrance fee caused the decline in Help? Because the girls have to charge more to recover their investment?
it was 7 reals up until 2000 or so. When I was last there in 2004, I remember the entrada being 12 reals, perhaps 15. It has now effectively doubled, even as the dollar has gotten weaker.
Brazilian inflation has been fairly tame so that is not to blame for price inflation. If the price inflation you refer to is P4P prices, the reason for that is the girls jacked up real prices when the real was very weak in Lula's campaign, early reign. Effectively, the girls "dollarized" the prices. Now, as the dollar is weaker, they don't want to take the real prices back down to reflect its weakness (though they are somewhat forced to because there are less and less suckers in the clientele)
yes, the girls of course will change your price to reflect the costs of their entry unto the premises, but my reason for the scene being shitty is that all the girls I saw were pros to the core, I never saw what for me (and others) at least, made it the great place it was.
the part timers.. the first timers.. or simply girls very new into the game.
I will say this though, about Help and about Brazil. More so than other places (though I hold this rule to hold worldwide), but especially in Brazil
your mileage WILL vary.
which means the experience I have with Miss Raimunda will likely be different than the experience you have with her. (depending on her mood, the time of month, and how you do/do not turn her on, all these things factors into the equation, and this includes PRICING)
and to clarify one thing re pricing.
yes, one will at times be QUOTED ridiculous prices. The B girl I got for 300, originally asked for 500. I laughed and said I'm not paying that. She then asked me to say how much I'd pay and as I took my sweet time answering that question, she dropped to 300 and I said, now we could talk. The only other instance was a Frank's girl asking for 400 to start, I laughed, and she immediately dropped to 200. Everywhere else, including Help and Boites I was quoted 200, sometimes 150. (200 was most common)
ultimately I can't blame a girl for testing the waters to see if she has a live sucker on the line, but it's completely another thing to say she wouldnt back down.
Unless she frankly just didn't want to sleep with someone that is.
the part timers.. the first timers.. or simply girls very new into the game.
For the most part these part timers I have seen mostly on Saturday night only. I used to look forward to Saturday nights in Help because of these girls. That would be a shame if they were gone from Help, it was one of the reasons why I liked the place. I'll be there in a matter of weeks will have to check this out on Saturday night and hopefully nobody in Help quotes me 300 reais from the get go.
For the most part these part timers I have seen mostly on Saturday night only. I used to look forward to Saturday nights in Help because of these girls. That would be a shame if they were gone from Help, it was one of the reasons why I liked the place. I'll be there in a matter of weeks will have to check this out on Saturday night and hopefully nobody in Help quotes me 300 reais from the get go.
I was told by a guy I know who lives there and is almost always at Help, that more of them will come in, yes on the weekends, on Saturday, ahead of X-mas for some extra shopping money.
good luck.
don't worry what you're quoted, I am telling you most will be quite happy with 200
p.s. btw, I just figured out why you are less likely to see boite girls late at Help these days. It has to be because of the Help midnight pricing structure. This structure means Help shuts down a little earlier than it used to. There used to be a "fresh wave" hitting it shortly after 3 am back in the day, when the entrada was around 10 reals. that second wind is gone now.
Member #4378
12-17-06, 23:41
Dimension, what you do is bring one girl up at a time. There is a camera that is aimed at the elevators, his manager (the next day) can see if he allows you to bring in 2 girls. So what you do is bring up one girl than return and grab the second a few minutes later. Ive done it a bunch of times at Rio Roiss and the Princess hotel.Bravo,
Thanks for advice. I didn't think about it. Does this depend on front desk person whether he wants to let this happen or not? I remember he mentioned about his boss viewing cameras and him possibly getting in trouble, and vehemently objected to let 2 girls. I even offered him 50R, but got "no" for an answer. Girls even mentioned that the hotel will not allow 2 girls, but I didn't believe them. I assume I need to talk to front desk person before going out to make sure he will let me implement your procedure with 2 girls. Also, I assume you can ask first girl to wait outside of your room door while you go after her friend. I feel unsafe to leave a girl, by herself, in my room.
Thanks
Pipe Layer99
12-18-06, 01:37
Hey Folks;
Great news to me.
I just found out that my employer is dishing out a free week of vacation from December 25 th till January 1st. So immediately I thought of going to Rio.
I was wondering if anyone knows if the termas in Rio are open during that week ( except for X-mas day, off course!).
Thanks alot for any info.
Yes the Termas are open over the holiday. In fact, I just received an invitation via email to Solarium. They are having an end of the year celebration.
I would call ahead for hours of operation as termas may vary. DD
Pipe Layer99
12-18-06, 01:54
I was in Rio this WE and stayed at the Rio Roiss behind the Othon Palace, a few meters from Help and Terraca Atlantica. Hotel is definitely seedy, relatively cheap ($70) and very girl friendly. By the way even though it is only 1 block to the hotel from Help one girl wanted to take a taxi, which I declined. A couple minutes later, halfway through the 3 minute walk, a little kid tried to rip my watch off my arm while another one was approaching me from the other side... He failed, but better remember to be careful in Rio.
Went to Help Saturday night. Entrance fee goes up about 50% after midnight, however the place really does not get going before 1:00AM. Lots of girls and quite a few customers too. All the girls I talked to quoted more than R300 but would settle for R300, none would do anal, . Had a Britney Spears look-alike who was just as talented. That did not last long, sent her home after a first round of unspired CBJ & missionary.
I checked out the Terraca Atlantica, 90% of the girls were black. I went back into Help after paying the entrance fee again and ended up with a beautiful mulata with great personality. She stayed till the morning and was a great GFE provider. No complaints, other than the fact that I ened up paying 2 X R300 + 2 X the entrance fee + the hotel etc, in total not a cheap experience but not unexpected either.
Please don't take this the wrong way - I am not throwing stones.
I would recommend you talk to the girls some more and negotiate for a better price. The later the night - the lower the prices. I most I have even paid for a HELP girl is R150. I also gave one girl an additional tip because she was very sweet with me all night and in the morning.
Also, try a call-in service. You can get 2 girls for R200 from some agencies. Can't go wrong when you have two to entertain you. Get on-line and look up some escort sites. You will find karla models, scort show, riosexsite........
Have you been to a terma? You can test drive 2 girls for R150 each and pay one entrance price. Take 4X4 for example 9I love that place) - R30 to get in, R150 for a 40 min session with the girl of your dreams, then after a drink or a bottle of water, R150 for another girl of your other dream. Total damage R330.
Have fun and stay safe. Donnie
If you want to see a different "disco" you should visit Rio Scenarium in Centro, Rua do Lavradio 20. This place is very impressing. A huge place with a pista for samba and a also a disco playing MPB. It´s decorated in an amazing way, looking like a giant antique shop.
Around 22 hs there were many older people, couples and girls 35+. After midnight a younger crowd arrived and filled up the disco. I didn´t see any GPs, but lots of nice regular girls. I found a carioca with giant boobs. :)
R$ 25 to enter.
Veja Rio elected Rio Scenarium as the best casa with live music.
http://www.rioscenarium.com.br/
Member #4217
12-18-06, 14:38
Nice bar, with many english speaking people.
Corner of R. Paula Fritas and N.S. Copacabana.
No GDP scene but interesdting fun after mid-night.
Tom
Cool Hand Luke
12-18-06, 18:34
I've just returned to Rio after an absence of about three years and I was curious to discover if this particular Terma was still open. I was pleased to discover that for this establishment it is still business as usual. The location is very convenient as it is right on Av Copacabana in the heart of Copa.
I made my way to the second floor where the X Ray machine ensured that I was'nt carrying any firearms. It is a small friendly club with Steam Sauna, Showers and three Private Rooms. Here making a choice should not be difficult as there are just four girls working who I would rate around the six mark. I settled for Sara, a 26 yr old Mulata with a nice body and welcomimg smile.
The small room had a single bed and wash-hand basin. There was evidence that the club had attracted the interest of the local police as there was a sign on the wall saying that sexual acts were not permitted on the premises. Well all I can say is that I had a pleasant and varied 30 minutes with Sara culminating in a Greek style finale.
Club Name : Terma Copacabana
Adress : Room 203
Edifico Rubilite
583 Av Copacabana (next HSBC Bank,Nr jnct Sigueiro Campos)
Open : Monday to Saturday 11.30- 21.30
Prices: 30 mins:RS 105...40 mins: RS 125...60 mins :RS 165
(Prices are all inclusive)
I met a really classy lady at Help last week and have spent quite a bit of time together. She is about 38-40, was living in the USA for about 5 years married to an American, but hated it because she was stuck in Dallas with a big house to take care of and no friends. She is going to Germany next week for 6 months to stay and work with a plastic surgeon. He is giving her some inplants and some facial/eye work. In my opinion she is frickin hot just the way she is, tall thin, nice ass and perky tits, elegant with a classically beautiful face. But then again, what woman wouldn't want some enhancements particularly when she is going into her 40's and has a couple of 20 year olds to put through college. She is a no nonsense pleasant woman, splendid personality and treats men like clients rather that retail customers, I have very much enjoyed all the time I have had with her. And she actually has a lot less baggage then some of the 20 year olds I have been with or at least she has it compartmentalized better.
We went to Dos y Dos last Friday night 60R entry fee for the two of us. We both like that scene, I been to a bunch of swinger places in the USA and this was similar just larger number of young couples in Rio. Nevertheless Theresa was the hottest looking female, great dancer, dynamic personality, I could see most of the guys had their eye on her and when we got upstairs most of the women were eager to kiss her get their hands on her, we had a lot of fun and she was very considerate toward me with her selections she likes pretty women too. We went through at least a dozen condoms. They have music and dancing starting around 11:00 for a couple hours then about 12:30 several professional strippers go on stage (similar to Solarium on couples night) then after the show everyone starts going upstairs for sex. It's fun, because Theresa is sexually confident take charge woman who loves to laugh and have lot's of good sex. She has a few TV celebrity friends who have taken her here for parties. I really like the sexually mature confident brazilian women.
That's my favorite question to anyone who looks american and 70% of the time when an answer comes back in English it's an African American. It's a monger brotherhood here in the Rio thermas, I love it!!
If you want to see a different "disco" you should visit Rio Scenarium in Centro, Rua do Lavradio 20. This place is very impressing. A huge place with a pista for samba and a also a disco playing MPB. It´s decorated in an amazing way, looking like a giant antique shop.
Around 22 hs there were many older people, couples and girls 35+. After midnight a younger crowd arrived and filled up the disco. I didn´t see any GPs, but lots of nice regular girls. I found a carioca with giant boobs. :)
R$ 25 to enter.
Veja Rio elected Rio Scenarium as the best casa with live music.
http://www.rioscenarium.com.br/
I’ve been to this place, one of the most surreal discos I’ve ever been to.
The crowd ranges from 20-70 yo, so you will fit in regardless of your age.
I would advise getting in and out by taxi as I spotted some dodgy types in the surrounding streets – when I got out there were a couple of taxis outside so that doesn’t seem to be a problem.
[QUOTE=Catire]just got back from a short trip.
speaking of black, African Americans are by far the biggest monger group in Rio which is a little amazing considering they constitute 12% or so of the American population, and Rio of course also has European tourists, etc.
Some people claim this has caused the scene to go down/deteriorate, and though I agree about the deterioration, I find no linkage with a lot of brothas being down there, because when one asks, how, why the answers are not satisfactory. Ergo, I find such comments tinged with racism.
You know what I find very interesting. I have never seen a monger ask "Why are there so many White Americans in Rio?" But for some reason, mongers find it odd/pecular/strange/disturbing/upsetting that Black Americans are going to Brasil for vacations. I am not saying that this is your opinion, I am just noticing that you found it neccesary, to comment on the number of African Americans, you saw in Copa.
Nice bar, with many english speaking people.
Corner of R. Paula Fritas and N.S. Copacabana.
No GDP scene but interesdting fun after mid-night.
Tom
Ummm, do you mean The Mud Bug? I think you do. It's a pretty cool Sports Bar with some hot waitresses. You're probably right about no GdPs, although I do remember seeing some older, slutty women there, if you're into some older non-pro possibilities.
Then again, who knows, maybe they were GdPs. I think it's safe to assume that any bar that is located in Copa has at least one GdP working there.
El Austriaco
12-19-06, 03:22
A few comments on the various topics being addressed here these past few days:
1) Anyone, ANYONE, who says anything other than "by far the largest group of mongers in Rio is BRAZILIAN mongers" has obviously never been far beyond Meia Pata, Help, or Copacabana at that. As increasing numbers of mongers are discovering, there's an entire world beyond the usual Copa P4P hangouts. I invite everyone to expand their worldview a bit. Copacacana is NOT Rio. After all, we are ALL visitors in Rio, regardless of the color of our skin or where we come from, so let´s show some respect.
2) Why is it that, while mongers of all races and creeds are dying to one day being able to descend upon Rio and experience all colors and sizes of carioca women, there are still some mongers out there who honestly seem to be astonished that, surprise surprise, guys come in different colors, too? Yes, even mongers? Now who would have thought of that?
3) Barbarella: well, it's the attitude expressed in statements a la "you get what you pay for in Rio" that allows ripoff joints like Barbarella to exist in the first place: by attracting tons of bushy-tailed, inexperienced tourists with money to blow who are somehow convinced that there, and only there, they will get an experience unlike elsewhere in Rio. Needless to say, other joints follow in its footsteps, like Frank's, Cicciolina's, etc. If you like the environment, please go there, if you think that nothing but the most expensive is good enough for you, please knock yourself out: but don't kid yourself even one moment that you are getting something that you couldn't get elsewhere at a fraction of the cost.
4) Barbarella is just a dream come true for a P4P worker. So where does she go when she strikes out there one evening? You are absolutely right: the other place in Copacabana where tons of hapless first-time tourists usually hang out in Copacabana. Help.
5) Once you figure out that all P4P action in Copacabana, ALL OF IT, is so ridiculously overpriced that it is really beyond belief, you will no longer be surprised about R$ 500 first time offers by pretty average Help girls during stupid tourist season. Their reasoning is, "Hey, they are stupid enough to pay ten times the going rate (like R$ 300 instead of R$ 30), there sure must be SOME dumb enough to pay almost 20 times the going rate!". And you know what, they are right!
6) If you need any confirmation of the above, read the statement below by Urcarioca "R$ 300 is a good deal when they started with a R$600 for one pop." I fail to see any logic in that: so if the next time, a girl starts with a first offer of R$ 1000, then R$ 500 would be a good deal, Urcarioca? Or R$ 1000 after an initial offer of R$ 2000? I am sorry, but that's insane... and good business for the girls.
7) Statements a la "they are so much classier, educated, etc." really just make me laugh, guys. We are talking about Rio hookers, remember? So she speaks a bit of a foreign language, she has decent manners, and doesn't embarass you every minute, good for her. Applaud her on her accomplishments and her ability to fit in. But never ever forget we are talking about hookers working different segments of the Rio tourist industry: whether you meet them at Barbarella or Help, in a therma or on the pista. And as a matter of fact, you may meet the very same girl in different places over time, as Rio Bob has correctly pointed out. Sometimes within a very short time span, or even the same night.
8) In Rio, prices are highly dependent on the environment you meet them in, and hardly anything else. Prices most certainly have very little to with beauty (however you wanna define it) or performance (however you wanna rate it). You don't believe me, take your time to look through the Photo section and compare some of the VM girls (who go for R$ 30.00) to some of the recent finds in front of Help commanding R$ 150.00 or so. Believe me when I tell you that you will find tons of uglier girls in Rio who will ask for R$ 300 and up. Wanna take them up? Go ahead, it's your money. I just don't see any reason to.
9) Hotels don't allow two girls in at the same time in Rio, for a reason, and that's probably for your own good. Even a cursory search here on ISG would have quickly confirmed that. You wanna do two girls, go to a lovel motel.
10) I am also especially wary of attempted robberies by young kids in the gringo zoo (between Veranda Help and Meia Pataca). And yes, never walk anywhere at night, even if it's only one block from Help. Cabs all the way. I also fail to see how proximity to Help is supposed to make an apartment and/or hotel especially attractive: you are really in mugger heaven, you can't walk home at night, and you can't easily hang out in the vicinity after dark. But anyhow...
And finally, Catire...
11) "Can you really be in Rio and enjoy Rio for what it is, when you are in the city center, and not by the beach?". Yes, I can. Considering that I am not doing the girls on the beach, and I don't think this would be a good idea. Sorry, but a view of Sugarloaf Mountain or Cristo Redentor while doing a hottie doggy-style has never been a turn-on for me. Never needed one :)
In conclusion, just my way of saying hello to everyone, or to use the words of Wonder Mike, "to the black, to the white, the red, and the brown, the purple and yellow... but first i gotta bang bang..."
And of course, the most important rule in Rio:
"If your girl starts actin' up, then you take her friend"
Peace,
EA
Gentlemongers:
Sexplorer has found himself with a few off days at the end of the year and is seriously contemplating a last minute "surgical" ambush on Rio termas. This precision operation will commence arriving Dec 28th and end leaving January 1st.
My current assumption would be that the downtown termas will be open Thursday 28th and Friday 29th, but closed Monday 1st. Similarly, I am assuming that the zona sul termas will be open on Saturday 30th. I have no idea about Sunday 31st.
As a public service to this mongering community, would one you gentlemen currently on the ground be kind enough to confirm as much of this information as possible and post on the board? The situation on December 31st and January 1st is, of course, the most critical to the success of this covert mission.
Kind regards
Sexplorer
[QUOTE=Catire]just got back from a short trip.
You know what I find very interesting. I have never seen a monger ask "Why are there so many White Americans in Rio?" But for some reason, mongers find it odd/pecular/strange/disturbing/upsetting that Black Americans are going to Brasil for vacations. I am not saying that this is your opinion, I am just noticing that you found it neccesary, to comment on the number of African Americans, you saw in Copa.
because if you really want to be OBJECTIVE, it's an obvious point of observation and it's also a big change from say a decade ago, particularly in the last 5 years or so.
I don't find it odd/peculiar/strange/disturbing or upsetting. If you're going to quote me, do so properly.
I merely said I found it "amazing" (perhaps interesting would be the best adjective) , and I find it such because considering the waves of tourists that go there, what is essentially a small minority in the US now constitutes the largest majority among the global tourist Rio masses.(amongst so called monger types anyways).
Rasta, I would challenge the assertion of "reasonable pricing" on your list, perhaps reasonable by US/European standards (which I don't even look at , but not by developing world standards.
Austriaco, EA and others, of course I am only commenting on the commonplace P4P areas in Copa.
I'm also not shocked at color of any so called mongers anyplace. I was in a disco in Jakarta last month that was wall to wall Arab and they were all there for the same thing.
lastly, re the Zona Sul/Centro argument, that depends on why you go where you go. for me the experience of Rio pretty much involves being in Manhattan by the beach. I don't go there to merely fuck, but while there, I happen to fuck. In my 7 nights there, I had company on 5 nights, and I don't dilly dally during days.
for me Centro would be an interesting option if I wanted to spend some longer term time down there and immerse myself in Portuguese
lastly, El Austrica, I find it worthwhile to point out that for e.g. when a Barbarella girl dresses up to go out and back with you to wherever, she happens to for the most part look like a regular girl on the street, whereas anything from Help will never be mistaken for anything other than a hooker. Not sure this means anything, or it should, but thought I'd point it out. Don't think I love Barbarella, I don't, I find it the perfect example of a "clip joint".
I wasnt quoting you and I wasnt picking a fight. If you noticed, I put 5 different adjetives for people to choose from. I just find it interesting that on many different boards, mongers find it neccesary to quote the influx of Black Americans. I never understood why that was such an important fact.
Let me ask you a quick queston. Within the past 5 years, did you ever mention the large number of White Americans in Rio in any report or post that you made? Did you ever find it "amazing/interesting" enough, to mention that observation? Better yet, have you ever ready any report by ANY monger who has mentioned the large number of White American Mongers in Rio in the entire history of this board?
I wasnt quoting you and I wasnt picking a fight. If you noticed, I put 5 different adjetives for people to choose from. I just find it interesting that on many different boards, mongers find it neccesary to quote the influx of Black Americans. I never understood why that was such an important fact.
Let me ask you a quick queston. Within the past 5 years, did you ever mention the large number of White Americans in Rio in any report or post that you made? Did you ever find it "amazing/interesting" enough, to mention that observation? Better yet, have you ever ready any report by ANY monger who has mentioned the large number of White American Mongers in Rio in the entire history of this board?
let me ask you this.
why were all the adjectives you chose, PEJORATIVE adjectives?
I used no pejorative adjectives anywhere. Do you have an agenda?
as a matter of fact, yes, I have in the past talked about the various composition of various sex tourist groups in Rio, whether they be American and or European.
In fact, back in the day, I loved focusing on the Italians and their high spending Rio ways, with their special little Help champagne tables, etc.
like it or not, each ethnic group has its own little pecularities and things that sometimes people like commenting on.
I'm not sure why you're so uncomfortable with me pointing out something obvious. If 15% of a country's population becomes a dominant group within a larger group, to me that's worth of note/observation. This would clearly not be the case with say 80% of the population.
and if you're that curious, I can also point out there were some Asian young guys in Help (probably Asian American though not sure) that also looked kids in a candy store (though they probably overpaid by factor of 2, because that's what happens when you have that kid in candy store look)
The reason everyone is concerned about the influx of black americans,can be summed up in a few words, Detroit,Oakland,New Orleans,Compton... we dont want Help to turn into these kinds of places where blacks,and blacks alone, proudly destroyed these cities and turned them into ghettos. We as tax paying americans are now paying for these people that are proud to not work and live in these conditions.The bravado that blacks have for growing up in these places is amazing. "i grew up in the ghetto mannn!! im street.Im just being myself out here in rio"blah blah.. Its only a matter of time before help becomes like detroit. Of course blacks will blame racism and never take responsibility for their own actions.
I refuse to be associated with comments such as one above
although I've seen some thug-ish or wannabe-thuggish types there in years past, that was NOT the case this year. Almost every African American guy I met there this year was laid back, friendly and many of them, especially the older guys have professional jobs back in States. How else do you think they'd be able to afford such vacations? (and many of them come down up to 6-10 times a year!)
btw. it's worth noting that your average African American monger, as opposed to white American or Euro monger is younger and in much better physical shape. Some of those guys were built like Greek gods. I suspect what they were paying was much less than what others were paying LOL
Now thats what I am talking about Joe!! See, thats the type of honesty that I was looking for! So many mongers are so concerned about appearing PC, they just arent willing to admit their true feelings.
Truth is, brothas know how White guys feel about us in Rio, werent not stupid. Not sure why they feel such animosity towards us, but it is refreshing to see a monger be upfront about his feelings.
Now thats what I am talking about Joe!! See, thats the type of honesty that I was looking for! So many mongers are so concerned about appearing PC, they just arent willing to admit their true feelings.
Truth is, brothas know how White guys feel about us in Rio, werent not stupid. Not sure why they feel such animosity towards us, but it is refreshing to see a monger be upfront about his feelings.
I knew that's what you were fishing for Dude, but this particular fish wasn't going to bite at your way too obvious bait.
I stand by what I write/wrote and thankfully to their credit, as opposed to yours, I didn't find any brothas in Rio who were defensive about talking with this particular whitey.
The reason everyone is concerned about the influx of black americans,can be summed up in a few words, Detroit,Oakland,New Orleans,Compton... we dont want Help to turn into these kinds of places where blacks,and blacks alone, proudly destroyed these cities and turned them into ghettos. We as tax paying americans are now paying for these people that are proud to not work and live in these conditions.The bravado that blacks have for growing up in these places is amazing. "i grew up in the ghetto mannn!! im street.Im just being myself out here in rio"blah blah.. Its only a matter of time before help becomes like detroit. Of course blacks will blame racism and never take responsibility for their own actions.If black people dont want the negative press they get, they should change the image they portray about themselves.Its real simple.people talk about how a small % can be so dominant in rio. Well here is a stat: blacks make up 13% of the population but make up 70% of the prison population. these are facts. Thats why we are worried about help. We dont want the criminal element destroying Help. I will give blacks more respect when they earn it. period.flame away!!I' guess I’ll throw my two cents in. 1st off, I happen to be a very well educated, young and quasi-wealthy Black American. I go to Rio because I like exotic looking black women. These are the ones I seek out. Perhaps others go to find a tall blond or a slender European looking gorota, but I go for Black Beauty.
I have a lot in common with these women. Let's face it; most of the girls that we see in Rio would be characterized as Black in America. They are like me and I am like them. My Grandfather was a white man and my Grandmother on my mother's side of the family was Cherokee Indian. Essentially my blood mixture is very close to the majority of Brazilians. Their dominant features come from the African blood that has been mixed with the native Indians and the Portuguese that settled Brazil. My dominant features come from African, white and Indian blood also. Why is it a problem for me to go be with my own? The last time I was in Rio, a gorota invited me to her favella home and her mother cooked Brazilian food for me that was almost exactly like that food my Mom Cooks for me when I go home. Frankly, Black People feel comfortable in Brazil because the culture is very similar to our own. There is racism in Brazil also, but it is much less pronounced.
Listen, we all go to Rio to have a good time. So, this goes for Blacks, whites and others. Leave that racism shit at home when you travel to Brazil.
Also, on the subject of "spoiling" Rio, Rio was already worse than Compton, New Orleans and Detroit combined by the time most of us ever discovered it.
You guys can waste your time and energy arguing about race. While you are at it, I’ll be grabbing every one of the these that I can find.
A few comments on the various topics being addressed here these past few days:
3) Barbarella: well, it's the attitude expressed in statements a la "you get what you pay for in Rio" that allows ripoff joints like Barbarella to exist in the first place: by attracting tons of bushy-tailed, inexperienced tourists with money to blow who are somehow convinced that there, and only there, they will get an experience unlike elsewhere in Rio. Needless to say, other joints follow in its footsteps, like Frank's, Cicciolina's, etc. If you like the environment, please go there, if you think that nothing but the most expensive is good enough for you, please knock yourself out: but don't kid yourself even one moment that you are getting something that you couldn't get elsewhere at a fraction of the cost.
4) Barbarella is just a dream come true for a P4P worker. So where does she go when she strikes out there one evening? You are absolutely right: the other place in Copacabana where tons of hapless first-time tourists usually hang out in Copacabana. Help.
EADear EA,
I love your comments as if you were the "monger-teacher" about Rio.
How does Barbarella work for the girls?
She gets in, do not pay the R$70 fee entrance (2 national drinks included) and the "client" pays her R$70 when they both get out from the place. Simple.
If she can't score a "bushy-tailed" or a "first-time tourist", she MUST stay into the place till 4AM to get out without paying the entrance fee.
You can't compare Barbarella with the other American Bars like Frank's or Cicciolina, Barbarella is the Ivy League of Copa's American Bars.
IMHO, I think you can find there 15% of stunners, 65% of "doable" and 10% of dogs.
There's no "obligation" with the joint (like in Termas), the girl is freelancer so you can find her at Help Disco too, but most of the time she goes there with the client she had meet the night before.
IMHO, the GDP's ratio for Help is 75% of dogs, 24% of "doable" and 1% of stunners (which is still a good number for a huge disco like Help, don't worry ;-)), and you know that the last category won't do business with you for less than R$300.
That said i do agree that the whole Copa scene is a rip-off, but most of our fellow mongers don't have time to lose in Rio to find a gem downtown or the guts to face VM to save what? US$ 100?
U.
Mr Enternational
12-19-06, 08:55
A few comments on the various topics being addressed here these past few days:
7) Statements a la "they are so much classier, educated, etc." really just make me laugh, guys. We are talking about Rio hookers, remember? So she speaks a bit of a foreign language, she has decent manners, and doesn't embarass you every minute, good for her. Applaud her on her accomplishments and her ability to fit in. But never ever forget we are talking about hookers working different segments of the Rio tourist industry: whether you meet them at Barbarella or Help, in a therma or on the pista.EAMan that just tickles me too. When guys talk about bringing those women back to the states and marrying them what the hell are they thinking? Most of them have not finished grammar school (and I have found that those are usually the ones who speak the best English! . Because they are already at rock bottom and must learn it to come up good in the game.) How the hell are they going to get a job when you bring them here? They can't. All they can do is sit in your house all day and run up the light bill, food bill, and phone bill because they miss the people back home and want to call overseas everyday. Don't try to turn a ho into a housewife. And like a good buddy always says, "go down there broke and see how much they care about you then. "
The Watcher
12-19-06, 09:56
I refuse to be associated with comments such as one above
The only thing I would add is that I refuse to respond to such comments.
In addition to the above quote, I would add that all of your recent posts have been well written and well done. I agree with you 100%.
And of course, the most important rule in Rio:
"If your girl starts actin' up, then you take her friend"
Now, that's an instant classic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hammer
PS let's can the racism and get back to the important topic, GAROTAS !!
Pipe Layer99
12-19-06, 10:37
A few comments on the various topics being addressed here these past few days:
After all, we are ALL visitors in Rio, regardless of the color of our skin or where we come from, so let´s show some respect.
In conclusion, just my way of saying hello to everyone, or to use the words of Wonder Mike, "to the black, to the white, the red, and the brown, the purple and yellow... but first i gotta bang bang..."
And of course, the most important rule in Rio:
"If your girl starts actin' up, then you take her friend"
Peace,
EA
EA,
You crack me up. First start off as the forum police and then end with a rap. Nice read. DD
Pipe Layer99
12-19-06, 11:00
[QUOTE=Mrlowdown]I' guess I’ll throw my two cents in. 1st off, I happen to be a very well educated, young and quasi-wealthy Black American.
My Grandfather was a white man and my Grandmother on my mother's side of the family was Cherokee Indian.
If your Grandfather was white and your Grandmother was American Indian, how does that make you a black American?? Just curious.
DD
7) Statements a la "they are so much classier, educated, etc." really just make me laugh, guys. We are talking about Rio hookers, remember? So she speaks a bit of a foreign language, she has decent manners, and doesn't embarass you every minute, good for her. Applaud her on her accomplishments and her ability to fit in. But never ever forget we are talking about hookers working different segments of the Rio tourist industry: whether you meet them at Barbarella or Help, in a therma or on the pista. And as a matter of fact, you may meet the very same girl in different places over time, as Rio Bob has correctly pointed out. Sometimes within a very short time span, or even the same night.
EAEA,
You're an expert of Rio, I should say THE EXPERT.
Most of my wife girlfriends works on/off at Barbarella and I must say, they are ALL students with a bachelor degree, sometimes in the best Rio Universities like UNI-RIO, UFRJ or PUC and so on. Most of them have already made a few trips abroad in Europe or in the USA (paid by gringos), so they can speak a fairly good english, spanish or italian.
That's what I pointed out when I wrote "they are so much classier, educated, well-dressed, etc." I never said "go there this is the best place in Rio!".
In summer, Help is full of poor, 0 english and uneducated (no conversation even if you're fluent in Porto) garotas from the "interior" or the "Nordeste" of Brazil and sometime very ugly.
I am no Rio expert like you EA, I just choosed to live in Rio 6 years ago and I wed a former brazilian GDP 2 years ago.
I'm not flaming anyone like you, I just try to contribute this forum giving intel about what I know.
We are all grown-up and adults, if someone here give R$ 2000,00 for one pop with a fat, teethless and ugly brazilian hooker, it's his life and I respect it.
As a conclusion, if you're going to Rio to dig deep inside the "holes" of the "Baixada Fluminense" or downtown, to pay R$ 20,00 for a quickie, you'll certainly save cash but you'll miss some great sightseeing.
Abraço,
U
I've just returned to Rio after an absence of about three years and I was curious to discover if this particular Terma was still open. I was pleased to discover that for this establishment it is still business as usual. The location is very convenient as it is right on Av Copacabana in the heart of Copa.
I made my way to the second floor where the X Ray machine ensured that I was'nt carrying any firearms. It is a small friendly club with Steam Sauna, Showers and three Private Rooms. Here making a choice should not be difficult as there are just four girls working who I would rate around the six mark. I settled for Sara, a 26 yr old Mulata with a nice body and welcomimg smile.
The small room had a single bed and wash-hand basin. There was evidence that the club had attracted the interest of the local police as there was a sign on the wall saying that sexual acts were not permitted on the premises. Well all I can say is that I had a pleasant and varied 30 minutes with Sara culminating in a Greek style finale.
Club Name : Terma Copacabana
Adress : Room 203
Edifico Rubilite
583 Av Copacabana (next HSBC Bank,Nr jnct Sigueiro Campos)
Open : Monday to Saturday 11.30- 21.30
Prices: 30 mins:RS 105...40 mins: RS 125...60 mins :RS 165
(Prices are all inclusive)
they were handing out flyers for this place, right on the next intersection. I never had the chance to go inside and check it out. your description is kind of what I imagined it'd be like
Guys,
This forum is about ass, legs and tits. Anything else (For example: skin color, politics, education, net worth, etc.) belongs ELSERWHERE. With all due respect to those who think that this is that socio-economic think-tank, please take your line of thinking elsewhere. I can only speak for myself in saying: I DON"T CARE. Let's make the conversation about "INTERNATIONAL SEX" please (See the name of the forum? ). Anything else is an absolute waste of time.
Thank you
The Watcher
12-19-06, 19:05
[QUOTE=Mrlowdown]I' guess I’ll throw my two cents in. 1st off, I happen to be a very well educated, young and quasi-wealthy Black American.
My Grandfather was a white man and my Grandmother on my mother's side of the family was Cherokee Indian.
If your Grandfather was white and your Grandmother was American Indian, how does that make you a black American?? Just curious.
DD
I assume the answer is that his paternal grandmother is black and his maternal grandfather is black. If that is true, his father is half black/half white and his mother is half black/half Cherokee Indian; therefore, he is black.
[QUOTE=Donnie D]
I assume the answer is that his paternal grandmother is black and his maternal grandfather is black. If that is true, his father is half black/half white and his mother is half black/half Cherokee Indian; therefore, he is black.You beat me to the punch watcher. You are exactly right. When People see me on the street, they think black. In America the definition of black is very vague. If you look black, your black, even if you happen to be hispanic or east indian or something. Strange place we live in.
ML
Cool Hand Luke
12-19-06, 19:28
A well travelled, middle-aged guy (and not a bad wingman), I will be in Rio till around 20th January. Just PM me any fellow members who fancy meeting up for a beer.
Racism in Brazil is about 1000x worse than anything encounted in the US. Some argue that its "Classism" and not necessarily racism...but whatever the case, society provides little recourse for those who are born poor (no social safety nets and few public resources such as housing, education, and healthcare)...given Brazil's history (slavery until 1888 + oligarchical political economy for most of its history, and no civil rights movement), the majority of the poor are black and the majority of blacks are poor...
And, Mr. Lowdown, you are spot-on about Rio violence. Rio, as a whole, makes Detroit and Compton look like Boca Raton and Orange County. The amount of violence in that city really dwarfs anything the happens on the worst streets in America. To think that Rio is a paradise because of what you see in Ipanema and Copacabana is a huge mistake...one that can get a novice monger into a lot of trouble.
If anyone is interested in practicing Portuguese and reading about crime in Rio, bookmark this page: http://noticias.terra.com.br/ultimas/0,,EI316,00.html. At least 3-5 murders a day are reported...who knows what is not reported.
My 2 cent and 12 experience in Brazil (Rio e etc).
I would say you are about 75 percent true with your statement. Most of gringos will have girls which not contribute nothing. However, you do have that 25 percent that will work. The problem is most guys do not take the time to learn the culture or women. Even more important they cannot speak the language. How are going to take someone back if you can talk to her and get into her head.
However, keep in mind 25 percent will be during house work or other manual labor. Which nothing wrong. But guys need to be aware. I currently have a Brazilian cleaning service working in my home now as I write and they are Rio bad.
I am now semi-retire from my Rio travels and am checking out the other countries, but Rio is still the best pound for pound.
I enjoy reading Rio and see nothing change. Even if you went for one or 2.
I think this week I will post some pic of back in the day. Couple of girls I see posted are when these girls where old to game. I have some when they first arrived.
Man that just tickles me too. When guys talk about bringing those women back to the states and marrying them what the hell are they thinking? Most of them have not finished grammar school (and I have found that those are usually the ones who speak the best English! . Because they are already at rock bottom and must learn it to come up good in the game.) How the hell are they going to get a job when you bring them here? They can't. All they can do is sit in your house all day and run up the light bill, food bill, and phone bill because they miss the people back home and want to call overseas everyday. Don't try to turn a ho into a housewife. And like a good buddy always says, "go down there broke and see how much they care about you then. "
bravo, the reason whites are all pc now is that we have to be, because thats what black people want. they cant handle a honest conversation w/o throwing out the race card. they can call us crackers and honkeys, but we cant say nig@@@. they want to ban the n word at the comedy clubs, but the black comics can continue to attack our race and make white jokes.they beep out the n word on tv,but not cracker.blacks can say we cant dance or jump, but we cant make fried chicken jokes. the list is endless. the bottom line is blacks love to be patronized. i will not take responsibility for slavery or segregation when i wasnt even born and i will never feel sorry for blacks under 50yo for anything that happened in the past. i will continue to state facts, the same way blacks do about us. i have boiled over about the race issue, now that im older. if you want to call me a racist for being honest, than fine, but i didnt start out that way. i evolved to feel this way, and am now giving black people a taste of their own venom.al sharpton always says that black people are doubly unemployed, guess why??? because they doubly dont want to work. they consider going to work to be white, and then blame us and the cops when they end up in jail, because they stole or sold drugs to pay their rent. remember the movie "white men cant jump" not a peep was heard about that being racist but lets make a movie called "black men cant swim" and see how that goes over.
i dont remember anyone calling you a racist joe, i just said it was nice to see you be honest about your feelings. ummm, not sure what your whole diatribe has to do with rio, but if it makes you feel better to write it, more power to you!!!
El Austriaco
12-20-06, 03:08
Urcarioca,
Hey hey hey, don't be so sensitive. I was gonna respond in detail, but honestly, you got me quite confused about what you are actually trying to say. In any case, I appreciate that you devoted not only one, but two rare reports to respond to my post. A full 10% of your post total!
Let's see. On one hand you agree that pretty much all of Copa is pretty much a rip-off, but then again, you glamorize the virtues of Barbarella girls. The Barbarella girls that will charge you, say, R$ 300, plus the R$ 70 entrance fee, plus R$ 70 to take her out, and we are up to what, a rock-solid R$ 440? I know, this includes two drinks, too, so not everything is bad. They better have a B.A. in something and speak a foreign language, really. Because the few of them in Meia Pataca, Help, Veranda Help, Balcony, etc. did not come across as more "cultured", no. The few of them I have met hanging out on Prado Júnior after hours didn't really, either. And as to your percentages of stunners vs. doable vs. dogs in Help vs. Barbarella, I think that this is so highly individual among different mongers that it's pointless to put a percentage on that. Prices, however, speak loud and clear.
That's why I call Barbarella as what I see it: a high-priced joint (which it undoubtedly is) in an already overpriced environement in Copacabana (and you agree!). And pretty much all posts I have read about Barbarella here on ISG seem to agree. So?
The second statement of yours that I criticized, which was "R$ 300 is a good deal if the girl's first offer is R$ 600", you don't elaborate on. Well, so be it.
So it seems we don't disagree all that much after all. Maybe you actually meant it when you called me the "Rio expert" rather than being sarcastic. Well, in that case, thank you, though I don't think that I actually am, just like I have no intention of being a monger teacher. I am just sharing my first-hand experiences just like you purport to do, for what I see it, and how I see it. Though I gotta say, considering all the experience you seem to have under your belt, you sure have been stingy about sharing actual info here. Sorry.
So you think Barbarella chicks are a notch or two above anyone else for whatever reason, cool. IMHO, and only insofar as my own, humble, personal opinion is concerned, they aren't. Anyone who doesn't believe me should go there and check it out for himself. Easy as that.
Needless to say, no flame intended. Nothing but actual info so everyone here can make an educated decision on exactly where to go bunda-hunting.
Um abraço também!
Donnie D, RxHammer:
As you know, of course, this line has been an instant classic since the Sugarhill Gang recorded "Rapper's Delight" back in the 70s. Just wanna give credit where credit is due and, as a "white as they come guy", tip my hat to the many brotha mongers out there in Rio. You guys got it right all along the way.
EA
El Austriaco
12-20-06, 03:33
And, Mr. Lowdown, you are spot-on about Rio violence. Rio, as a whole, makes Detroit and Compton look like Boca Raton and Orange County. The amount of violence in that city really dwarfs anything the happens on the worst streets in America. To think that Rio is a paradise because of what you see in Ipanema and Copacabana is a huge mistake...one that can get a novice monger into a lot of trouble.
If anyone is interested in practicing Portuguese and reading about crime in Rio, bookmark this page: http://noticias.terra.com.br/ultimas/0,,EI316,00.html. At least 3-5 murders a day are reported...who knows what is not reported.
Please note that the above link does not only list crime in the city of Rio de Janeiro, but in the entire State of Rio de Janeiro. Also, if you read a few of the reports, those familiar with Rio's geography and social reality will notice that the vast majority of crime happens far away from any areas any tourist should ever tread and is clearly drug-related. Yes, Rio is bad, but clearly not as bad for tourists as merely referring to Rio's high overall homicide rate would suggest. So buceta-hunting in Rio is not necessarily a life-threatening activity (though it can be).
EA
I'm a white Rio monger and I see no reason to be 'PC." I've met plenty black
mongers down there and all in all they're pretty much the same as white, asian, etc. mongers. Most are cool, a few jerks. The problem with Rio in the past 5 years is that there are too many of US down there (blame this site!).
Too many guys who can't comprehend that a girl's asking price should not be the final price. Too many guys that think they're big-shots paying 300R or more for a girl. Too many guys that think they'll get better service if they pay more. 300R for a Rio hooker - you've got to be out of your fucking minds.
So you think Barbarella chicks are a notch or two above anyone else for whatever reason, cool. IMHO, and only insofar as my own, humble, personal opinion is concerned, they aren't. Anyone who doesn't believe me should go there and check it out for himself. Easy as that.
EAEA,
IMHO,
YES, Barbarella's GDP are "notch or two above any OTHER GDP you can find in Copa".
You said before that a hooker is the same hooker even if you pick her up at Help, Balcony, Termas, Barbarela, street (pista), VM, etc.
Sorry I can't agree that line.
She's a hooker for sure, but that's why most of the mongers are going down here, marvelous Rio, looking for different style of "hookers".
A hooker is looking for your cash for sure, but there's a HUGE difference between them in terms of service, communication, friendship and figure.
Let's say : check it out for yourself and this is not a so bad experience.
Pipe Layer99
12-20-06, 06:40
[QUOTE=Donnie D]
I assume the answer is that his paternal grandmother is black and his maternal grandfather is black. If that is true, his father is half black/half white and his mother is half black/half Cherokee Indian; therefore, he is black.
Pretty good response. Especially if the person has black skin. Then I can see it.
However, if the person was born with light skin (white looking caucasian) and has one drop of 'black blood' (as you call it) then that would not make the person black. One drop of blood does not determine who you are.
Either way, I was just curious how a person with a white grandfather could call himself black. I guess if a person was born with dark skin, then OK.
Enjoy. Play safe. DD
Pipe Layer99
12-20-06, 06:44
[QUOTE=The Watcher]You beat me to the punch watcher. You are exactly right. When People see me on the street, they think black. In America the definition of black is very vague. If you look black, your black, even if you happen to be hispanic or east indian or something. Strange place we live in.
ML
I agree with you on the part mentioned above. I have mixed friends - some consider themselves white and others consider themselves black. This is based mostly on their skin color and. DD
With the popularity of this site, there is a should be a simple solution to maintaining price stability in places like Rio. People should simply stick to 150R for TLN (200R w/tip) and 150R or less less for short term...and BE WILLING TO WALK AWAY (which is hard when drunk and packing a woody).
Simple math fellas...minimum wage in Rio is like 380R/mo. A "good" semi-skilled job maybe pays 600-1200R/mo. VM, Cento brothels (and Copa apartment spots in newspapers) routinely offer 30R lays and 100R for 3hrs! Just check out O Dia or O Globo newspapers! This makes paying 300TLN completely nonsensical. Plus, oftentimes, in the papers and in Centro, you'll often find newbie gems...18-20yr olds from the outskirts or other cities trying to make money for a few weeks/months before returning home!
If you have any language skills and a chick thinks you know what you're talking about, she will not fret at 150R TLN even in Rio...especially the mulattas and morenas and during the low season. Claras e Loiras seemingly charge more, but whatever. High season may be a little crazier...
Excellent post Monger3. To put things in perspective, when you compare relative wages in the U.S. to Brasil, giving a garota 300R for a session is like giving a chick in the U.S. $1000 for a session.
With the popularity of this site, there is a should be a simple solution to maintaining price stability in places like Rio. People should simply stick to 150R for TLN (200R w/tip) and 150R or less less for short term...and BE WILLING TO WALK AWAY (which is hard when drunk and packing a woody).
Simple math fellas...minimum wage in Rio is like 380R/mo. A "good" semi-skilled job maybe pays 600-1200R/mo. VM, Cento brothels (and Copa apartment spots in newspapers) routinely offer 30R lays and 100R for 3hrs! Just check out O Dia or O Globo newspapers! This makes paying 300TLN completely nonsensical. Plus, oftentimes, in the papers and in Centro, you'll often find newbie gems...18-20yr olds from the outskirts or other cities trying to make money for a few weeks/months before returning home!
If you have any language skills and a chick thinks you know what you're talking about, she will not fret at 150R TLN even in Rio...especially the mulattas and morenas and during the low season. Claras e Loiras seemingly charge more, but whatever. High season may be a little crazier...
you are completely correct of course.
and to SOME extent this is already happening.
I had a girl complain to me that before they used to get 250, 300 without a problem. I explained to her that the girls jacked up the prices after a while when the real got very weak and now the table has turned but the girls don't want to lower the prices. She stuck to her guns about how people would pay $100 US or $100 Euro. True, some suckers would.
but in any event, she was bitching that most guys now refuse to pay more than 150.
Which is all good I say. You can thank the brothas for some of that btw. They talk to each other and they know what time it is.
With the popularity of this site, there is a should be a simple solution to maintaining price stability in places like Rio. People should simply stick to 150R for TLN (200R w/tip) and 150R or less less for short term...and BE WILLING TO WALK AWAY (which is hard when drunk and packing a woody).
Simple math fellas...minimum wage in Rio is like 380R/mo. A "good" semi-skilled job maybe pays 600-1200R/mo. VM, Cento brothels (and Copa apartment spots in newspapers) routinely offer 30R lays and 100R for 3hrs! Just check out O Dia or O Globo newspapers! This makes paying 300TLN completely nonsensical. Plus, oftentimes, in the papers and in Centro, you'll often find newbie gems...18-20yr olds from the outskirts or other cities trying to make money for a few weeks/months before returning home!
If you have any language skills and a chick thinks you know what you're talking about, she will not fret at 150R TLN even in Rio...especially the mulattas and morenas and during the low season. Claras e Loiras seemingly charge more, but whatever. High season may be a little crazier...
Glad to hear that. That is what I think and do.
Now if only everybody could think that way.
Glad to hear that. That is what I think and do.
Now if only everybody could think that way.Though I haven't contributed, I just wanted to say that I pride myself on my strong negotiation skills in all mongering contexts. I always start at R100 and then let them balk at it. Undoubtedly they will, but that's ok. I let them walk, particularly in a place like MP or Help, because I know that if they can jam up a sucker for R200 they will. Most often, however, they don't get that R200 hit and prefer to try to get at least R150 out of a sure thing, someone like me. I usually push them to the absolute limit, knowing I'll take R150, but I let them sweat a little and this needs to be late night, because if you try it early, then they'll try to go, get a pop out of you and head back to Help to reinvest and perhaps catch another dude, but it's worked for me.
Very often I score a R100 babe, though mostly R150, which is still fantastic for a full night/morning romp, but sometimes I come up on R100. It's like everyone has said, this is HUGE money to these chicks and the bargaining power is in the buyer, not sellers. Even in high season this is the case. I don't really buy that the prices are raised by these guys who have no respect for the market, the real market lies in the Brazilian economy. No? Short time, I offer R80 and never go higher than R100.
Otherwise, I'd rather party hard and hit a Terma, but I guess it's all personal preference. Just my two cents on the issue. I mean, even if you have the money, and I do, why spend R200 when you could bag two babes for the same price with a little negotiation? If you find negotiation difficult b/c of age, physical fitness or whatever excuse you can come up with and by the way, those are all excuses, then go the Karla Models or Scortshow route. R100 for two hours, the babes are smoking hot and mostly professional. We're all buying in volume, no?
Sure you can afford it, but I don’t buy a dvd player for $300 when I know I can get one that’s just as good for $150. Nobody does that and neither should rio mongers.
Rosine - good to hear - you're better than me. I don't go above 150R, but I never ask for TLN. I'd rather sleep by myself. Once in a while, there is mutual simpatico and she ends up staying all night (for no extra), but I never suggest it.
I also agree that most of us could "afford" to pay more. Heck, we pay $1000 for a flight down there. But I don't like being a sucker. 150R is a hell of a lot of money for these garotas. I also believe through talking with the girls that they respect a guy more if he has some backbone and bargains firmly (but nicely) with them.
What are all of these posts about race doing HERE? I love to discuss society, politics, religion, etc., but here it's just cluttering the landscape, reducing the quality of the forum, and here I am making more clutter. Sorry about that.
Do we want to talk about ass or race here? Hmmm, that's a tough one. The posts about women in Rio, especially outside of the overtravelled Copacabana scene, are far more interesting and useful. Thanks to those who have shared their "on topic" experiences with us. I will share some of my current experiences in January, when I get there.
EA,
IMHO,
YES, Barbarella's GDP are "notch or two above any OTHER GDP you can find in Copa".
You said before that a hooker is the same hooker even if you pick her up at Help, Balcony, Termas, Barbarela, street (pista), VM, etc.
Sorry I can't agree that line.
I have been to Barbarella's many many times through the years for only 1 reason because they usually have the top notch girls in the Copa area. Urcarioca I agree with you 100 %. I have had women from Barbarellas that back in the States men much younger than me, better looking than me and much richer than me can only dream of and I have had unbelievable sex with them. Especially during the time when the dollar was strong and fetching around 4 reais, at times I was taking 2 at a time out of there.
I also have been in Help many many times and once in a while you can come across a girl who has the Barbarella qualities which are: Classy look, beautiful figure, pretty face, modelesque. That’s not to say that every girl in Barbarellas is this way but you will find a good percentage of them like this.
Most of the girls in Barbarella are doable; I don't think they let hags work there.
First time I heard of the place I was on line at the Lido motel to register with a cute little monkey I found on an Ave Atlantica cafe. The guy ahead of me on line had this tall leggy blonde like a runway model. I asked him where did he find such a specimen, he told me Barbarellas. Unfortunately even then it was very expensive to play there in the early 80's as it is today with the weak dollar I seldom go there because I feel that today the top quality is a little harder to find and the prices in total are outrageous.
Will you find girls like this in VM, Balcony, Meia Pataca or Centro? Never.
The posts about women in Rio, especially outside of the overtravelled Copacabana scene, are far more interesting and useful. Thanks to those who have shared their "on topic" experiences with us. I will share some of my current experiences in January, when I get there.
keep in mind that the more posts about an undertravelled scene, the bigger likelihood that it will shortly get fucked up. I can cite MANY examples of such.
so be careful what you ask for.
I wish it were possible to meet more mongers here in RIo. I am trying to get a few things figured out and could really use some general contacts. If anyone is around sorry I should read the this thread more carefully, biut I would really appreciate having a beer or something to eat together if anyone is interested. Thanks.
I have been to Barbarella's many many times through the years for only 1 reason because they usually have the top notch girls in the Copa area. Urcarioca I agree with you 100 %. I have had women from Barbarellas that back in the States men much younger than me, better looking than me and much richer than me can only dream of and I have had unbelievable sex with them. Especially during the time when the dollar was strong and fetching around 4 reais, at times I was taking 2 at a time out of there.
I also have been in Help many many times and once in a while you can come across a girl who has the Barbarella qualities which are: Classy look, beautiful figure, pretty face, modelesque. That’s not to say that every girl in Barbarellas is this way but you will find a good percentage of them like this.
Most of the girls in Barbarella are doable; I don't think they let hags work there.
First time I heard of the place I was on line at the Lido motel to register with a cute little monkey I found on an Ave Atlantica cafe. The guy ahead of me on line had this tall leggy blonde like a runway model. I asked him where did he find such a specimen, he told me Barbarellas. Unfortunately even then it was very expensive to play there in the early 80's as it is today with the weak dollar I seldom go there because I feel that today the top quality is a little harder to find and the prices in total are outrageous.
Will you find girls like this in VM, Balcony, Meia Pataca or Centro? Never.
I respect your opinion guys, but It`s not mine.
For me Barbarella is a sure rip off (sorry for my poor english).
I mean I`ve been to Rio for a few years and you`r not going to tell me that you can find girls in Barbarella that are above the others , come on, you can find as well in Help , (I did not say better) for less , unless you are willing to pay 300 Reails or more for TLN like some idiots do.
OK , I know you can find for much less in Centro but I`m speaking of zona sul.
I HAVE BEEN TWO TIMES IN BARBARELLA AND NEVER WILL I GO BACK.
THIS IS A RIPPOFF JOINT.
I respect your opinion guys, but It`s not mine.
For me Barbarella is a sure rip off (sorry for my poor english).
I mean I`ve been to Rio for a few years and you`r not going to tell me that you can find girls in Barbarella that are above the others , come on, you can find as well in Help , (I did not say better) for less , unless you are willing to pay 300 Reails or more for TLN like some idiots do.
OK , I know you can find for much less in Centro but I`m speaking of zona sul.
I HAVE BEEN TWO TIMES IN BARBARELLA AND NEVER WILL I GO BACK.
THIS IS A RIPPOFF JOINT.
Recent reports about Barbarella is that it has a 70 reais cover charge and with that you get 2 drinks. If you take a girl out then you must pay another 70 reais charge for the girl. So yes the house makes 140 reais for their services which is to bring you all together. This is not a cheap place and by all means is not for everybody. The cost for the girl and her services are negotiated seperately.
I agree that you can do almost as good in Help and on occasion you can meet a girl who works in Barbarellas on her off night or on nights they don't feel like making the deadline to get in the door as I believe they have to be inside working by a certain hour, if they are not they are not permitted to work.
You can call the 140 reais anything you want, you can call it a ripoff and believe me at todays rate I do not want to pay it or you can call it a price to pay to be in a room with some of the best girls physically that Rio has to offer for takeout service. In many things in life this difference exists, you can go to VM and pay 30 reais or you can go to Barbarellas and pay 440 reais, you can wear a suit from Sears for $99 or you can wear a Brioni for $3500 it just depends upon your taste.
Recent reports about Barbarella is that it has a 70 reais cover charge and with that you get 2 drinks. If you take a girl out then you must pay another 70 reais charge for the girl. So yes the house makes 140 reais for their services which is to bring you all together. This is not a cheap place and by all means is not for everybody. The cost for the girl and her services are negotiated seperately.
I agree that you can do almost as good in Help and on occasion you can meet a girl who works in Barbarellas on her off night or on nights they don't feel like making the deadline to get in the door as I believe they have to be inside working by a certain hour, if they are not they are not permitted to work.
You can call the 140 reais anything you want, you can call it a ripoff and believe me at todays rate I do not want to pay it or you can call it a price to pay to be in a room with some of the best girls physically that Rio has to offer for takeout service. In many things in life this difference exists, you can go to VM and pay 30 reais or you can go to Barbarellas and pay 440 reais, you can wear a suit from Sears for $99 or you can wear a Brioni for $3500 it just depends upon your taste.
In my opinion there is absolutly no reason to get a girl out of barbarella. Even if you are loaded with cash. Frist off the girl is going to start the pricing around R$500 and she aint coming down no where close R$300. I have never in 8 years gotton a girl out of there. I make it a point to check out barbs everytime that i go to rio because there are very hot girls there. All you have to do with 100% of the girls there is say "meet me at help later and i will take you" This has a 99% success rate. The only time this does not work is if she is tied up for the entire night. But you better belive that once 2:00am rolls round all the chicks from barbs go right over to helpe and the price goes right down to R$150-R$200.
Its like going into Nieman Marcus to buy a cartier. They are going to wipe your ass, offer you coffee, valet your car, have a perrsonel assistant with you, but the price is $5,400 retail for the watch. Or you could go to Furmans do in DC and get the same exact watch for $4,300 no frells. You pay he gives you the watch tells you theres a 2 year warenty and if you want it shipped to avoid taxes. Same watch get different service.
Trust me she will give you a better fuck if she Knows your not a idiot paying rediculous prices for tang.
In my opinion there is absolutly no reason to get a girl out of barbarella. Even if you are loaded with cash. Frist off the girl is going to start the pricing around R$500 and she aint coming down no where close R$300. I have never in 8 years gotton a girl out of there. I make it a point to check out barbs everytime that i go to rio because there are very hot girls there. All you have to do with 100% of the girls there is say "meet me at help later and i will take you" This has a 99% success rate. The only time this does not work is if she is tied up for the entire night. But you better belive that once 2:00am rolls round all the chicks from barbs go right over to helpe and the price goes right down to R$150-R$200.
Its like going into Nieman Marcus to buy a cartier. They are going to wipe your ass, offer you coffee, valet your car, have a perrsonel assistant with you, but the price is $5,400 retail for the watch. Or you could go to Furmans do in DC and get the same exact watch for $4,300 no frells. You pay he gives you the watch tells you theres a 2 year warenty and if you want it shipped to avoid taxes. Same watch get different service.
Trust me she will give you a better fuck if she Knows your not a idiot paying rediculous prices for tang.A lot of what you say is true, some of it is slightly out. Most of the girls from Barbarellas that you meet in Help go there because they can't get back in after 1.00am. If they have had a client and are looking for more they either go to help or Ciccolines. I have had offers of less than R$300 in Barbarellas it depends on the night. IMHO the girls in there are the best looking in Rio. One reason that other girls in Help, Franks or Balcony look as good is usually because I am sober when I go to Barbarellas. I have lost count of the number of times I have went to Help and found it full of dogs with a poor attitude at midnight but full of babes at 3am. Same women different glasses.
If you want a girl from Barbarellas cheap turn up at 3am and wait outside or in the bar across the street like all the locals do.
Yank My Sausage
12-22-06, 03:04
bravo, the reason whites are all pc now is that we have to be, because thats what black people want. they cant handle a honest conversation w/o throwing out the race card. they can call us crackers and honkeys, but we cant say nig@@@. they want to ban the n word at the comedy clubs, but the black comics can continue to attack our race and make white jokes.they beep out the n word on tv,but not cracker.blacks can say we cant dance or jump, but we cant make fried chicken jokes. the list is endless. the bottom line is blacks love to be patronized. i will not take responsibility for slavery or segregation when i wasnt even born and i will never feel sorry for blacks under 50yo for anything that happened in the past. i will continue to state facts, the same way blacks do about us. i have boiled over about the race issue, now that im older. if you want to call me a racist for being honest, than fine, but i didnt start out that way. i evolved to feel this way, and am now giving black people a taste of their own venom.al sharpton always says that black people are doubly unemployed, guess why??? because they doubly dont want to work. they consider going to work to be white, and then blame us and the cops when they end up in jail, because they stole or sold drugs to pay their rent. remember the movie "white men cant jump" not a peep was heard about that being racist but lets make a movie called "black men cant swim" and see how that goes over.i really appreciate this being my first time on this site and what do i read a bunch of rascist thats right i called you rascist because it is obvious.
rascism is revealed in you not because of your statements but your anger in your statements and figure all i wanted was some info on where to get the best pussy in rio.
the image of race is every goddamn where i called this anonymous rascism
same as with the sheets.
damn i just wanted some pussy.
what the fuck?
Pipe Layer99
12-22-06, 08:46
Recent reports about Barbarella is that it has a 70 reais cover charge and with that you get 2 drinks. If you take a girl out then you must pay another 70 reais charge for the girl. So yes the house makes 140 reais for their services which is to bring you all together. This is not a cheap place and by all means is not for everybody. The cost for the girl and her services are negotiated seperately.
I agree that you can do almost as good in Help and on occasion you can meet a girl who works in Barbarellas on her off night or on nights they don't feel like making the deadline to get in the door as I believe they have to be inside working by a certain hour, if they are not they are not permitted to work.
You can call the 140 reais anything you want, you can call it a ripoff and believe me at todays rate I do not want to pay it or you can call it a price to pay to be in a room with some of the best girls physically that Rio has to offer for takeout service. In many things in life this difference exists, you can go to VM and pay 30 reais or you can go to Barbarellas and pay 440 reais, you can wear a suit from Sears for $99 or you can wear a Brioni for $3500 it just depends upon your taste.
You all have good points. No doubt. But I wil not pay R140 to get in and grab some take out.
Heres my take -
I have found some stunners in termas (I really liked at 4x4). No negotiations, just a hard time choosing. As a matter of fact, back in June 06, I found the one I wanted and had my way with her. BBBJ, her riding, reverse, pop. A quick shower, more bbbj, mish, then doggie and finally anal. Great time. Then on the way back to the boite I saw another one I wanted.
So what did I do, I went back the next night and had the other stunner. Since I was leaving the next day, I asked the girl to recommend a friend for me and I had her friend. So the 2nd night at that terma cost me R30 to get in and R150 ea for 2 girls. Total of R330 for some great gush gush.
Enjoy and play safe! DD
Guys,
I met a girl last year thru some GDP friends. She began speaking to me in english which kinda surprised me so I ask her where she learned. She looked a little sheepish and said she worked at Barbarellas (we were in "mixed" company ie. GDP's and non-GDP's). I just kinda stared at her with a blank look on my face til she said "what?"....cause she was absolutely drop dead gorgeous. I mean she was a "just walked of the So Cal beach", blonde, blue eyed STUNNER (I like morenas personally). I haven't hooked up with her yet but she is on the "to do" list !!
Hammer
PS She also had the ugliest lesbian girlfriend !! Ever notice that in Rio? Some of the best looking GDP's have the ugliest girlfriends. Just go to the McDonalds on NS Copacabana after Help closes and see the "couples" that show up....unbelievable. Goes to show, it ain't always about "us", guys !!!
If you want a girl from Barbarellas cheap turn up at 3am and wait outside or in the bar across the street like all the locals do.
Great idea:)
Dear friends,
After watching some "big butt" videos produced in Brazil, I have learned that there are some clubs that cater to this fetish. I would appreciate as much information as possible about places that serve "buttmen".
Thank you
Dear friends,
After watching some "big butt" videos produced in Brazil, I have learned that there are some clubs that cater to this fetish. I would appreciate as much information as possible about places that serve "buttmen".
Thank you
Where did you "learn" that there are clubs that cater to buttmen?
How 'bout 4x4 ~ at least two tons of bunda in that place, mostly big
After watching some "big butt" videos produced in Brazil, I have learned that there are some clubs that cater to this fetish. I would appreciate as much information as possible about places that serve "buttmen".I believe there's a club called "Le Boy" on R. Raul Pompeia with lots of "buttmen".
dear friends,
i learned about a place that caters to "buttmen" while watching a video produced by john stagliano. nevertheless, i could be mistaken.
i would like to give thanks for information about the 4x4 club, i would appreciate the address if possible.any other details are welcome.
perhaps i should state that i am in search of women and not men, my speech could have been misleading.
thank you.
Cool Hand Luke
12-23-06, 21:13
I went along to this Terma on the basis of some positive feedback on this site.It was not difficult to find as it located on the corner of Rio Branco and Rua do Alfondeja not far from Metro Urugayano.Just to be doubly sure that I was at the right place a very large sign outside proclaimed "502 Centro de Lazer".No lazer show here just the oldest profession being practiced.
The reception is at the top of a flight of stairs.Entry fee is RS 15 which was required upfront.No robes here though the plastic card I was given had to be retained for the purpose of charging drinks.I entered the main part of the club which is a long rectangular and not very spacious room,at the end of which was the bar.The surroundings were darker than expected and the music was very loud.Can of Skol in hand I took a seat and immiadiadely felt that it was a mistake coming here.
The place was packed with about 25 clients and only about 8 or so girls.Anytime a girl moved around she was quickly approached by a guy.I guessed that most of the pretty girls were busy with clients as anything available wasn't worth the effort.On my second drink I noticed one or two new faces and subsequently began talking to a shapely blond by the name of Angelica.It seemed that she was still wet from the shower she had after the previous punter.Not to be put off I figured that she would be well "loosened up".
There followed an enjoyable 30 mins with the girl.Her performance and attitude could not be faulted.The facilities were clean though cramped.Double bed with clean sheets and ensuite shower.However I feel the key to this place is timing.With hindsight 17.00 on a Friday evening was not a good time to arrive.Perhaps a weekday around 15.00.That said the place offers good value for money and a handfull of do-able girls.
Club Name: 502 Centro de Lazer.
Address: 65 Rua de Alfondeja (Cnr Rio Branco)
Nearest Metro: Urugayano
Open : 14.00 - 02.00 Monday-Friday
No of Girls Avail : About 35
Entry Fee : RS 15
Prices : Beer : RS 4
Girls : 20 Mins - RS 77
30 Mins - RS 82
40 Mins - RS 102
60 Mins - RS 112
Prices are inclusive.
Note : I will be continuing my tour of the fleshpots of Centro next week, right through until about the 20th January.Anyone who wishes to tag along is welcome to do so and need just PM me.
Uncle Scrooge
12-24-06, 06:58
You all have good points. No doubt. But I wil not pay R140 to get in and grab some take out.I agree. Another thing that pisses me off about Barbarellas is people bother you for tip. Even when you leave the doorman asks you for a tip. WTF is that? I've been to pretty much every joint and my personal experience is you will always find the range of "awesome/good/average/below average" garota in most places. If I want grade A beef without much effort searching, I can always go to Centaurus. It's the most expensive of all the termas but compare to Barbarellas, it's pretty cheap after all said and done.
Just to be doubly sure that I was at the right place a very large sign outside proclaimed "502 Centro de Lazer".No lazer show here just the oldest profession being practiced.FYI lazer in Portuguese means "leisure." Literally translated 502 is the Center of Leisure.
I've only been to 502 once, but as I recall a couple of drinks were included in the entrance fee. I didn't find anything there to float my boat, but was there not long after it opened.
However, the price is right! Good report, keep them coming!
EA
It was not difficult to find as it located on the corner of Rio Branco and Rua do Alfondeja not far from Metro Urugayano.Just to be doubly sure that I was at the right place a very large sign outside proclaimed "502 Centro de Lazer".No lazer show here just the oldest profession being practiced.
Centro de Lazer = "Leisure Centre" in Portuguese.
Worth noting that the entry fee at 502 is also a credit for drinks. Eg. if you pay 10r to get in, you have a credit of 10r to spend on drinks at the bar inside.
Reading the rio section and I've noticed that the termas in this area as well as other termas are not mentioned at all at the forum or at least not a lot.
In the barra area you have:
1.Praia club 400. web site: www.cafe400.com.br
Very well known house in the area a little bit on the high prices but good looking girls (you can see a couple of them on the website).
Management at this place can be a pain in the #%$ sometimes but the girls make it worth it.
2. Termas Paris Cafe : www.pariscafe.com.br
This termas used to be termas pigalle.
Same prices as the centro termas (last time I checked) and you will find some good looking girls also.
3. Termas Ancoro do recreio: www.ancoradorecreio.com.br
Talent at this house not what it used to be but you will still find a couple of good looking garotas.
4. Rio Tropical Club: www.riotropicalclub.com.br
One of the places I like the most in this area 30-40 girls in their permanent team. They always have parties where the number of girls goes up.
Very fun and realxed place not to mention that it is huuuuuggggggeeeeeee!!
I recommend it
5. Club 600 : www.club600.com.br
This place is from the same owners of praia club 400, it's more of a downscale place but you can still find something worth your reais.
Well I'm going to leave it there for now hoping that this encourages reports on all of these places.
P.S. : I'll be posting on more places later on
Brugal8
Recent reports about Barbarella is that it has a 70 reais cover charge and with that you get 2 drinks. If you take a girl out then you must pay another 70 reais charge for the girl. So yes the house makes 140 reais for their services which is to bring you all together. This is not a cheap place and by all means is not for everybody. The cost for the girl and her services are negotiated seperately.
just to clarify, as of Dec 10th, 2006, I paid 60 reals entrada and it was 60 salida for the girl at Barbarella. That price has been like that for a very long time, though of course was less of an issue when the real was 3 to 1 or weaker.
on a broader info note, most other boites work along the same lines - except the price is usually around 35 reals, which includes two drinks. The problem really arises when a girl sits down with you and starts ordering so called "lady drinks", which are usually double priced (e.g. tiny glass of wine, or something like Kahlua or Bailey's on the rocks they'll try to charge you 40 reals for)
there are some lower prices lady drinks on menu, so be careful when ordering something for her. Some girls are aggressive about them because it's a way for them to make at least a little bit of dough on a night they're not likely to get a client. (they get a cut of each such drink, which partially explains why they're so expensive)
Reading the rio section and I've noticed that the termas in this area as well as other termas are not mentioned at all at the forum or at least not a lot.Brugal8Thanks Brugal8, I was about to give some intel about the West Area (Zona Oeste) of Rio. I mean Barra da Tijuca, Jacarepagua and Recreio.
There's a BUNCH of doable girls there.
It could be quite expensive to get there though by cab (R$45-55) from Copacabana or Zona Sul for example.
The best way to go is to take a "Van", you will find them on Ave. Atlantica, it's a safe mean to get there and the cost is about R$ 4-6.
Feliz Natal
Urcarioca
I had a pretty good experience at Rio Branco 156, Apt 3320 last week. Lots of massage places in this classic building, but this one seems to have higher quality girls. It's a bit pricier (85-120 for 1 girl depending on time, quality of room). However, the girls are mostly young and attractive. I thought about half of the 12 were doable. I had a good time with a 20m yr old student who could have passed for 18. She seemd to really enjoyed the sex.
Royalflush
12-25-06, 14:59
I've dragged some extremely hot women out of Barbarellas for 200R. 400 is a sucker price (unless you're undesireable). I had one girl who kept approaching me with her 400r offer and I just told her to get lost. She was achingly beautiful, spoke perfect English and had lived in Miami for a year or so. She also brought up the subject of exchange rates and what a good deal men are getting in Brazil. I hear shit like that and I turn into stone. I don't care what they look like. Her final offer was 300R, but I still walked. If you don't have problems attracting women wherever it is you come from, you can get hot women in Barbarellas for a lot less than the prices being quoted in this forum. If you find a girl who knows the exchange rates, travels often, speaks other languages, you're not going to get a bargain. And, of course, learn enough of the language to have a conversation. You'll increase your odds tremendously.
In my opinion there is absolutly no reason to get a girl out of barbarella. Even if you are loaded with cash. Frist off the girl is going to start the pricing around R$500 and she aint coming down no where close R$300. I have never in 8 years gotton a girl out of there. I make it a point to check out barbs everytime that i go to rio because there are very hot girls there. All you have to do with 100% of the girls there is say "meet me at help later and i will take you" This has a 99% success rate. The only time this does not work is if she is tied up for the entire night. But you better belive that once 2:00am rolls round all the chicks from barbs go right over to helpe and the price goes right down to R$150-R$200.
Its like going into Nieman Marcus to buy a cartier. They are going to wipe your ass, offer you coffee, valet your car, have a perrsonel assistant with you, but the price is $5,400 retail for the watch. Or you could go to Furmans do in DC and get the same exact watch for $4,300 no frells. You pay he gives you the watch tells you theres a 2 year warenty and if you want it shipped to avoid taxes. Same watch get different service.
Trust me she will give you a better fuck if she Knows your not a idiot paying rediculous prices for tang.
El Austriaco
12-25-06, 21:40
I agree with Urcarioca: these places are a long way from where most Rio mongers stay (Leblon, Ipanema, Copacabana), and that's probably the reason you do not read a whole lot about them here. Unlike the centro termas, they are not easy to reach via metro, and taking a van there (as described by Urcarioca) usually requires a bit of Portuguese and knowing where you have to go unless you have been there before. Not an easy task. Taking cabs there from the usual Zona Sul adds significantly to the overall cost of the experience, and if you are willing to dish out that much cash, you might as well just stay put where you are and hit MC, L'Uomo, Solarium, and Centaurus.
On a side note: funny to notice that many of these clubs double as swingers clubs, too.
EA
Member #4156
12-25-06, 23:57
4. Rio Tropical Club: www.riotropicalclub.com.br
One of the places I like the most in this area 30-40 girls in their permanent team. They always have parties where the number of girls goes up.
Very fun and realxed place not to mention that it is huuuuuggggggeeeeeee!!
I recommend it
Been there before. I only suggest you catch a bus to Barra and then a taxi to this place [Jacarepagua]. The taxista I caught from Copa got lost and took me for a rough ride through the Cidade de Deus trying to find it. But I enjoyed it non the less. They offer 4x4 prices.
Gentlemongers!
Against the better advice of a number of you friends, I'll be arriving in town in a couple of days and will stay over the new year holiday to take advantage of few days off here in sex prison. I'd love to meet with like-minded fellow mongers who happen to be in town during this period. Drop me a PM please.
Cheers.
Sexplorer
Mr Enternational
12-26-06, 13:36
Rio was really dead on the 24th. Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse. Luckily I was booked to celebrate at a friends house with her and her family.
Mr Enternational
12-26-06, 13:49
taking a van there (as described by Urcarioca) usually requires a bit of Portuguese and knowing where you have to go unless you have been there before. Not an easy task. Taking cabs there from the usual Zona Sul adds significantly to the overall cost of the experience,
EALike Keldeson said, from Copa take the bus (#175) to Barra Shopping (about 30 minutes) then get your taxi from there. It will shave at least R$30 from your transportation cost.
i've dragged some extremely hot women out of barbarellas for 200r. 400 is a sucker price (unless you're undesireable). i had one girl who kept approaching me with her 400r offer and i just told her to get lost. she was achingly beautiful, spoke perfect english and had lived in miami for a year or so. she also brought up the subject of exchange rates and what a good deal men are getting in brazil. i hear shit like that and i turn into stone. i don't care what they look like. her final offer was 300r, but i still walked. if you don't have problems attracting women wherever it is you come from, you can get hot women in barbarellas for a lot less than the prices being quoted in this forum. if you find a girl who knows the exchange rates, travels often, speaks other languages, you're not going to get a bargain. and, of course, learn enough of the language to have a conversation. you'll increase your odds tremendously.you are correct royalflush!
i hear guys all day beat down and talk bad about barbarellas about the over price drinks and the waiters etc. and about the girls etc. etc., i can only laugh because i love going there to barbarellas i never had any problems with any of the staff, and the girls are the tops when it comes to looks in the copa.
i for one don't and won't fly that far to catch a deal at some low class terma with cold water or go up to vm or deal with helpee girls i rather go and take my time and fine me a 9 or 10 inside of barbarellas, i am not a drinker so the two drinks are just fine with me that you get when you go in.
so if you don't want to pay for what you get don't go to barbarellas but i pay what the market price is in barbarellas (around 200r and sometime less), the ones that speak really good english or been to the usa i stay far away from them lol
kid cisco
you are correct royalflush!
i hear guys all day beat down and talk bad about barbarellas about the over price drinks and the waiters etc. and about the girls etc. etc., i can only laugh because i love going there to barbarellas i never had any problems with any of the staff, and the girls are the tops when it comes to looks in the copa.
i for one don't and won't fly that far to catch a deal at some low class terma with cold water or go up to vm or deal with helpee girls i rather go and take my time and fine me a 9 or 10 inside of barbarellas, i am not a drinker so the two drinks are just fine with me that you get when you go in.
so if you don't want to pay for what you get don't go to barbarellas but i pay what the market price is in barbarellas (around 200r and sometime less), the ones that speak really good english or been to the usa i stay far away from them lol
kid cisco
not to get into a "mine is bigger than yours contest"
but i've actually had two girls from there for free. i call it bagging the white elephant (for big game hunters)
but that was a good 5 years ago, when i was younger and better looking.
and i probably got at least a little bit lucky (you have to be to get them gratis).
if you can get them for 200 r, more power to you, but my understanding is that is a very very difficult price to get these days and this comes from a friend of mine who's been living in rio for a decade.
Member #2131
12-26-06, 17:49
Reading the rio section and I've noticed that the termas in this area as well as other termas are not mentioned at all at the forum or at least not a lot.
In the barra area you have:
1.Praia club 400. web site: www.cafe400.com.br
...
Brugal8,
Do you have any indication of prices for all these places?
Thanks for the useful info and links.
Disaster53
12-26-06, 19:03
I just return from my first trip to brasil and here is my report:
First of all let me thank everyone in this board for their contributions, it was my first trip in brasil and in south america in general and it was like I've been there before. I arrived in Rio on the 24 of November.
At the airport I went strait to the departure hall (second floor), where there are many taxi happy to use the meter and take you wherever you want, (at the arrival hall there are lots of boots that offer you their taxi service, they charge about 75 reals for a trip to copacabana that in a meter taxi cost about 42! ). In Rio I stayed at one of the apartment of www.copaapartments.com, the agency is run by a young lady and I was very happy with her services.
I choose and reserved an apartment in copacabana on her web site and payed the half rent in advance.
A couple of days before I was due to go, she say that the guy who was staying there wanted to stay a bit longer, so she offer me a better accomodation more expensive, at the same price of the other! .
The place was spottless, with dvd, cable, internet connection and all the amenities, so all in all was a very good choice.
She is also available with all the info you required about Rio and girls.
My first impression of Rio was a positive one, and I have to say that the beach and the general atmosfear remind me of miami.
Not so positive was my impression of the girls on offer. There are really beautifull, some of them just stunning, but I found that there are all very professionals, there is no girlfriend felling, like you find in Thailand or Philippines or place like that. Even in Cuba I had a better deals then here in Rio.
They just want to get fucked as quikly as possible and get back to their life. Generally there was no small talks, no kissing, no playing, no nothing, and the price are quite ridicolous for what's on offer.
If I wanted just an hole to fuck I would buy a doll and not go to Rio.
Having say that I have to say that I loved Rio and brasil in general. The natural beauty of the country is fenomenal.
To go around Rio I choose to use the metro is fast reliable and safe and it take you pretty much to all the place you want to see.
Copacabana is very safe, and I found myself walking on the beach at 1 am with no problem whatsover. If you follow the same comon sense attitude that you would use in your country you are allright.
The food is very good and the choise of restaurants is exstensive, and very cheap! For shopping Rio shopping mall is a must, barra is also another option but is not as good as I thouth.
But now the girls:
First of all I went to various strip clubs along the beach front. I visited frank (few girls dancing in bikini), barbarella (pretty much the same)
And cicciolina, this one was different. There where two nice girls dancing topless and wearing tongs and one of them was stunning, every 10 minutes or so other two would jump on stage and dance topless. Not a bad show for 25 reals!
Help si great! There are about 50 stupend girls everynight and this is just on the outside. The same inside the disco. The problem is the price and the attitude of the girls. I heard one girl try for 500! Ok she was really beautifull but. The one I approced all start at 200 and see your reaction, and then accept 100 or less. First night I went with Osanna. She look nice in her clothes but less so without. I knew I made a bad choise when, at the aprtment, she demanded the money upfront, when she saw me going for the door she changed her mind but the damage was done, I was in for a dull night.
The sex was very meccanical and very professional, she know her staff but she is just an ordinary fuck.
The second girl was much better, superb breast and ass and very cute face.
Great sex but again just as professional as the first one, I repeted the experience for a couple of nights. She is not super but at least I knew what I was getting.
I try also the balcony bar. Always full of girls, but the quality is poor.
There are also a lot of girls along the beach and some of them looked nice but some looked also man! So I decide to pass.
Had a couple of other girls, one, denice, look like a model, tall and skiny, with nice small breast and a tight ass but again there are just there for a quick fuck and off you go. Definetly not my stile.
I then visited the thermaes. First the 65, it's easy to find, but it looked dirty and low quality so I passed. I then went to 4x4, and it's definetly something to see. The girls there were stunning with a couple of the best asses I ever seen. I went with a girl (sorry I do not remember her name)that look like a girl I once worked with. She was fantastic, the best ass I ever fucked. Tight and soft at the same time and she had also fantastic breast, small and round, with nice nipples to suck. The price all in all is very high (180 for the room plus few drinks) but it was worth it, at least ones.
From Rio I went to see iguazu falls.
If you are in brasil you have to go and see it. I stayed at del rey hotel. It's definetly the best hotel in town, superb value for money and it's in the middle of everything. And it allow guest (but now you have to pay a fee). Girls in iguazu are in the main road of town, but the quality is poor.
The town is very nice and quite and very safe, and the restaurant are top quality, you can have a meal with a varaety fo meats for less then 15 reals.
To go to iguazu I opted for a private tour I got a ticket with goal airline (you have to buy the ticket via a travel agent since they do not accept international credit cards! ) and from del rey with a bus I made my way to iguazu. (like this a 4 days cost you about 750 reals against 1350 or more with a tour, plus you go when you want).
From iguazu I went to manaus for a trip in the amazon jungle. Manaus is the only place in brasil where I did not feel safe. After 10 o'clock I was the only non brasilian on the street and the "company" was not very reassuring. But it was worthy since Remulos it's heaven for a pervet like me. It's close to the amazon teather in Edoardo riberio.
The place is dirty and stink of beer and I was the only english speaking there, and the girls are not that good looking but I was there everyday and I could not leave! .
The fact that the girls are there and you can pratically do everything you want with them (but not fuck them)helps a lot. For about 20 reals you can have a table dance with the girl of your chooise. And for the duration fo the dance (about 10 minutes) you can lick, kiss, fingerfuck any hole you want, there were 3 or 4 very beautifull girls, one of them dress as a neurse, oh boy I felt I needed her assistence every night I was there, her friend was dress with just a bikini but her ass spoke to me like in a dream! I just had dances and not fuck any of them as the hygene condition of the place do not suggest it to be very safe thing to do. There are two other places in manaus like remulos, both of them in the port area one it's called macchinavelli (or something like that) and it's even more dirty than remulos. But if you are in tonw it's worth to see.
In manaus I stayed at the hotel magnifico. It's ok if you want to stay for a night or two but if you want to stay mnore stay at tay majai t's in a very safe location and not too expencive.
All in all it was a very good trip but I will not go back in brasil since I do like a girlfriend feeling with the girls and I did not find any there, maybe I was unlacky. Next I will go to China and I will post my report once I'm back.
Thanks for reading my report.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Stay away from the termas in Barra tijuca. I went to one for the first time this year and it was AWFULLLL!! There was a pool table and everyone was dressed in clothes. There were no robes. You had maybe 6 girls in bikinis in a very large place. That was the only good part was that the place was huge but there were no chics. What we have in the the tourist areas are priceless. Best place on the planet. 44, monte carlo,solarium,luomo- forget the rest. It also took forever to take a bus to the mall.the cab from the mall was about 20 reals. Its a real rip.
I must say I found your report to be very interesting. You were in three different cities in Brazil, and you could not find a girlfriend experience?
Do you really think you were "unlacky"?
You are probably right, Brazil is not for you. Good luck in China!
I can see why you wrote what you wrote about Rio and the experiences you had. I have seen MANY many others share the same experiences.
Mine, for the MOST part, have been different - I have managed and fairly often to get the so called GFE (girlfriend experience). I think this is mainly due to two things
a) I appeal to them physically (still somewhat young, blonde/blue, in pretty good shape)
b) and I think THIS is the most important. (first one helps. but this is MORE important
do not treat her like a ho, if you don't want her to be one (this isn't failsafe, sometimes one cannot win, but...)
meaning - in bed, do you try to provide a BFE? do you take the time to get her hot and horny? etc etc
such kindness is often RECIPROCATED.
that said, many Brazilian pros will still be very good actresses and even enjoy their work, while remaining hard core pros (many terma girls come to mind)
but my only point would be - it takes TWO to tango, the way you want to tango. (and are you doing YOUR part?)
that said, I'm not shocked. In my recent Rio comments, you will note that I find Help and other P4P venues, more "hardcore" than ever (though I have a good nose and stay away from the worst ones) with very few new to the biz (and nicer, much much nicer) girls around.
re Manaus - are you saying there weren't any places to get laid there? I find that very hard to believe.
Great report, Disaster!
I have not been to Rio but judging from the many reports, GDPs in Rio are more hardcore than in the Northeast where I have mongered.
I think Catire has a point about giving the garotas a BFE. I enjoy giving massages and DATY. Most GDP's go from saying 'no' to somethings I want to saying 'yes' after they get massaged and have an orgasm from oral sex.
When a garota realizes that she will actually ENJOY herself with you, you will be surprised at how well she will treat you.
El Austriaco
12-27-06, 18:22
First of all I went to various strip clubs along the beach front. I visited frank (few girls dancing in bikini), barbarella (pretty much the same)... And cicciolina, this one was different.
What exactly motivated you to hit these places? With the possible exception of Barbarella, it can't have been anything positive written here on this board (there has hardly been anything written about these places here recently, let alone anything positive). Were they recommended by cab drivers? Just curious and trying to understand why you would pick these joints in the first place.
Copacabana is very safe, and I found myself walking on the beach at 1 am with no problem whatsover. If you follow the same comon sense attitude that you would use in your country you are allright.
I hope you mean 1 AM in the afternoon, NOT in the morning. And if you mean walking in the middle of the night, you mean on the beachfront promenade and NOT directly on the beach. But if you did, dude, you seriously lucked out, because you are not in Kansas anymore. Don't try that again.
Not so positive was my impression of the girls on offer. There are really beautifull, some of them just stunning, but I found that there are all very professionals, there is no girlfriend felling, like you find in Thailand or Philippines or place like that. Even in Cuba I had a better deals then here in Rio.
Like others that have posted before me, I am surprised that you would have trouble finding a GFE in Rio, or at least a girl trying to cling to you like a real GF. If you like desperate garotas that won't leave you alone, yes, Cuba might be better (or worse, depending on one's point of view). But in terms of actual performance in the sack? Maybe you should explain in detail what you mean exactly when you say GFE? DFK? BBBJ? Or are you looking for them to nurture your fantasy that somehow, you are not really with an actual hooker, but a "normal girl"? The ambiance in places you mentioned in your report sure sort of defeats that concept. Do you speak any Portuguese? (I assume not). Maybe it was also the timing of your trip: we are getting close to Reveillon, and it´s high season. With so much money to be made, garotas have quick bucks in their eyes and don't want to waste too much time pampering clients (I know, I know... their philosphy).
Thanks for the report, Disaster53.
EA
Sunset Strip
12-27-06, 19:20
There may be another reason Disaster53 did not receive a GFE. Perhaps because it was only his first time in Rio. Guys who become regulars always get a GFE, even if they do not want it sometimes (as El Austriaco implies GFE can mean many things).
In fact, I actually think the women in Rio are more serious about men than in other places I have been. The lack of a GFE is probably a good sign in some respects. For example, I used to get hustled by some girls. But now that I am a regular, I get treated like their man (not always good). So, now, I know they really mean it. They used to play BS games with me and short-timed me in the sack years ago, but now they screw me, cook for me, etc., and spend the night for much less than what most guys are quoting here for short-times.
So in the end, I think we should probably think of the flip-side (as they say on Fox News) and consider the lack of the immediate GFE (and, again, this term can be defined many ways) in a more positive light. At least they are keeping it real!
I do not trust any new girl I am paying for sex who pretends things are otherwise. If so, then why am I paying her?
TJ
Maybe you should explain in detail what you mean exactly when you say GFE? DFK? BBBJ? Or are you looking for them to nurture your fantasy that somehow, you are not really with an actual hooker, but a "normal girl"?
EALet's face it right now : Do we really believe these girls LOVE their job??? Do we believe that they really enjoy fuck strangers for 1 hour or a TLN and go on the next day?
They can enjoy your company, be friendly (like most of the Brazilians), even have second intentions with you (marriage, gifts, sponsor's exemptions, Western Union, etc...), but most of the time they don't give a shit about you and your dick.
If you don't speak a basic porto, IMHO, the best GFEs are the just the best actresses.
My 2 centavos,
U.
I think the GFE is more the norm than not from what I have seen. Most want a BF or full time guy. I find it hard to break it off with them. The one I was just with over Natal was great, fun, cuddled, sex night and morning. Nice Dinners did not talk about what she did, dressed down so she looked like a normal GF.. and she was a Help gal (but a Paulista just here for the holidays). She did start asking for me to buy things, and that is when it broke off, and some other personal stuff.
So from my POV you DO get a GFE here in Rio.
I should also add it was FAR from mechanical sex with almost every gal I have been with here. The last couple pretty much wanted to try out most of the furniture in my apt.
Yankee 617
12-28-06, 03:06
Its been over a year since I was last in Brasil but I thought I might comment on the GFE thing.
I agree with those who say that the Rio girls tend to be more hardcore than the girls of the northeast. That said, I've met hardcore girls in Fortaleza and I've had a real GFE in Rio. There are no fixed rules, just statistics.
One great gal (Roberta) in particular comes to mind. I met her at a low-end terma in Rio and took a liking to her. First I bought some beer and chatted awhile before we went out back. I had a real nice time with her out back so, after we finished, I sat and drank some more beer with her. This was a Saturday night and she didn't work on Sunday so I wanted her to meet me after work without the management knowing. Well, she was somewhat new and afraid to pull any tricks on management so they asked for something like 250 R to take her away. I had to go to an ATM and return, but I did and was rewarded for it later. First we went to dinner at an all-you-can-eat place she liked down the street. Then we returned to my room where we showered and screwed. Then we went for a walk along the beach, got some drinks, sang songs with some local guys, and returned to my room for some more sex before cuddling up together and falling asleep in each others arms. In the morning, she took the initiative regarding sex and got me hard before guiding me directly into her ass... without me asking. We fucked well and hard, rested a bit, and showered/dressed before going out for breakfast. Then we went up to see Sugarloaf together. My first time there and hers as well. We had fun and she hung on my arm like she'd been my girlfriend for months. She was petite with tight jeans, real cute, and I still get wistful thinking about her (although this was over 2 years ago). After Sugarloaf, we returned to my room for more sex, then out to dinner, then back for more sex before another night of cuddling. She had not asked me for a dime and, although I paid for all the meals/tickets/taxis, she did not ask me to buy her any "presents" either. We woke up early Monday morning and enjoyed some quick sex before she had to go home, get cleaned up, and report for work. I had to gather my things and check out since my flight back to USA was leaving later that day. While she was in the bathroom, I slipped a few hundred Reals into her purse. When she came out I mentioned that I'd put a little present in her purse for her. Without looking at it, she came over to me and gave me a big thank-you hug & kiss. I then walked her to catch her bus and we parted. At no time did she ask me for any money and she never counted what I gave her (until after we had parted).
I just got back from a trip to China & the Philippines. In my opinion, getting a GFE in China seems far more challenging than in Brasil or the Philippines. Primarily, I think this is because the language/cultural barrier in China is more difficult to overcome... its tough to joke & kid around and have fun with a girl if you can't say even 3 words to her.
Mr Enternational
12-28-06, 06:07
Its been over a year since I was last in Brasil but I thought I might comment on the GFE thing.
Well, she was somewhat new and afraid to pull any tricks on management so they asked for something like 250 R to take her away. I had to go to an ATM and return, but I did and was rewarded for it later.
She had not asked me for a dime and, although I paid for all the meals/tickets/taxis, she did not ask me to buy her any "presents" either.
I slipped a few hundred Reals into her purse. When she came out I mentioned that I'd put a little present in her purse for her.
At no time did she ask me for any money and she never counted what I gave her (until after we had parted).Maybe she thought what I thought, that the R$250 that you paid at the club was for an all-inclusive package. Surely you were not paying that exorbitant amount just for them to let her leave work. And to think that I thought the US$20 bar fines in LOS was bullshit. Etc
Girlfriends generally tend to get lazy from here to Hanoi. Knobbers get methodical and eventually it is 100% about making them happy. So many fine agency girls in Rio. Never use the same Agency Carioca more than twice, as familiarity breeds contempt. Never pay up front, and I don't care which beach you are at, Rio or Pattaya: If they ain't showered and down with providing good service withing 10 minutes after walking in the door it is time to tell the one at hand to get lost and call a different agency or if in Asia hit a different bar. Any kind of delay is just a test to see how much of a chump you are. I can't relate one happy story about a friend that has these 3rd worlders as girlfriends. Maybe one or two that met educated girls in Sao Paulo ended up ok. All the others swear they are happy, but they are miserable, and end up supporting the whole families and bringing the whole crew back to suck on Uncle Sam's tit. If you want a fun girlfriend that provides great play you are better off working out at the gym and buying a Harley and finding a nice biker girl back home. I've seen total losers turn their life around with a head shaving, muscle build up and nice Harley.
I agree with BD in most respects. There is a huge education gap between your average Brazilian girl and your average western dude, hence the corresponding behaviour from these girls can be rediculous, getting worse overtime. Your average Brazilian girl has seen it all, including friends and family being killed, hence they are not exactly well adjusted. Hence, they will never be happy, no matter what you try to do with them. Kind of like a western girl, but of course your average Brazilian will bang better...
Member #4217
12-28-06, 15:03
They just want to get fucked as quikly as possible and get back to their life. Generally there was no small talks, no kissing, no playing, no nothing, and the price are quite ridicolous for what's on offer.
If I wanted just an hole to fuck I would buy a doll and not go to Rio.You either speak no Portuguese, or must have "gringo"stamped in big letters all over your forehead.
Yes, there are GDPs here who just want your money, Crazy Monica is a good example.
But, for me and most of our friends that I have met here, a GFE is only a few words away.
I have been basically tied to 3 or 4 girls for the last 3 weeks. It is why I have not had much to report. But, all 3 were great GFEs. And, I am currently paying "nada!" And, great sex every night ... and morning!
Copacabana is very safe, and I found myself walking on the beach at 1 am with no problem whatsover. If you follow the same comon sense attitude that you would use in your country you are allright.O Kaaaaay! You were very lucky or you got your time wrong. If you follow the same common sense that you would use in your own country, you would definitely not be walking along a very dangerous beach, known the world over, ...at 1AM!
Yep, you probably do not belong in Rio! But, then it is kinda difficult to get a GFE experience anywhere if you do not know how to look for it!
IMHO
Tom
Anyone that thinks Rio is not dangerous is in for a shock one day while strolling along copa beach at 1am.
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/12/28/brazil.crime.reut/index.html
Cool Hand Luke
12-28-06, 19:13
Villa Mimosa
Noisy, Filthy, Seedy, Smelly and Squalid just about sums up my impression of Vila Mimosa or VM as it is known, Rio's most famous, or perhaps infamous red light district, located about 8 miles from Copacabana. This is one of those places that is worth visiting even if just to observe. But be warned it is not for the faint hearted.
I went along just recently on a Saturday afternoon out of a sense of curiousity, with a fellow ISG member, my partner in grime, who having dressed down for the occasion looked more Brazilian than the local street vendors. We took the Metro via Estacio Station to Sao Cristavao, which is located not far from the Maracana Stadium. A ten minute walk from there took us to the center of the action. In fact from the Metro it is quite easy to find. For those with a keen sense of smell. Simply follow the stench.
The "Strip" is about 60 meters long with 3 internal corridors running off it and consists of a series of very small bars with "facilities" upstairs for those brave enough or foolhardy enough to indulge themselves. I took a walk around to the sound of the blaring music and a very unpleasant stench emanating from the drains. A very fat 40 ish black woman strutted along the main drag naked except for the oversize string vest she wore. Elsewhere a girl in her midtwenties was seated on a table with her legs wide open, fingering her exposed pussy to the bemusement of the onlookers. Nearby a 35ish white woman sat on a bench, drunk/stoned to oblivion, likewise pleasuring herself because no one else wanted to. Welcome to the Vila Mimosa freak show!
So is VM Value For Money? Well even at RS 25 a pop your truly was not tempted by anything on display and likewise my travelling companion. If nothing else this place is good for a laugh, although I must point out that there were perhaps about two girls overall there, that in another time and another place (and definitely another price) I might have decided were a worthwhile investment. In fact if I was keen enough I could have opted for the Take-Away option, paid the price and manifested my lust elsewhere. Safety was never an issue as there was a very visible police presence. However the walk from the Metro Station during hours of darkness is not advisable.
Vila Mimosa: Take Metro to Sao Cristovao. Turn left out of the Station. After 6-7 minutes take a left under the Railway Bridge. Then take a sharp right and follow the road around.
Price Girls: RS 25
Times: Gets lively from about 17. 00 till late.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
RioThaiGuy
12-28-06, 20:25
I completely agree there are gfe everywhere if you have even a little bit of game by meeting girls on braziliancupid.com, in person at the bars in ipanema, or just getting out and meeting people. Was there for 16 days and spent most of my time with three girls which I paid nothing to all nonpros and spend one night at help and two night at luomo. Very easy just need to put time into it.
You either speak no Portuguese, or must have "gringo"stamped in big letters all over your forehead.
Yes, there are GDPs here who just want your money, Crazy Monica is a good example.
But, for me and most of our friends that I have met here, a GFE is only a few words away.
I have been basically tied to 3 or 4 girls for the last 3 weeks. It is why I have not had much to report. But, all 3 were great GFEs. And, I am currently paying "nada!" And, great sex every night ... and morning!
O Kaaaaay! You were very lucky or you got your time wrong. If you follow the same common sense that you would use in your own country, you would definitely not be walking along a very dangerous beach, known the world over, ...at 1AM!
Yep, you probably do not belong in Rio! But, then it is kinda difficult to get a GFE experience anywhere if you do not know how to look for it!
IMHO
Tom
Anyone that thinks Rio is not dangerous is in for a shock one day while strolling along copa beach at 1am.
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/12/28/brazil.crime.reut/index.html
No doubt the beach is dangerous at night. The current bus attack and police attack were far from Copacabana on Ave Brazil on the other side of the city.
El Austriaco
12-28-06, 22:30
No doubt the beach is dangerous at night. The current bus attack and police attack were far from Copacabana on Ave Brazil on the other side of the city.
Yes, the most notorious incident, the burning of a bus traveling from Espiritu Santo to Sao Paulo, which left seven dead. But it is not like the Zona Sul was (is) entirely trouble-free: there was an attack on Botafogo beach killing a woman and injuring her child, a police officer was killed in a drive-by in Lagoa, and another one in Barra da Tijuca. Please also note that the Ladeira das Tabajeiras favela, which is located in Copacabana (yes, the one you enter across the street from L'Uomo) is currently being occupied by the military police. In addition to 22 other favelas all over Rio.
EA
Yankee 617
12-29-06, 00:31
Maybe she thought what I thought, that the R$250 that you paid at the club was for an all-inclusive package. Surely you were not paying that exorbitant amount just for them to let her leave work. And to think that I thought the US$20 bar fines in LOS was bullshit. Etc
Yeah, maybe. I don't think she was getting a piece of that R$250 (or whatever it was) but I could be wrong. In any case, I hope she got a piece of that R$250. The terma didn't do diddly-squat for me and I disliked paying them anything at all. But Roberta made me feel very good (both in terms of sexual services and "emotional/GFE" services) so I was delighted to do something to make her life a little better. If the experience had not been so good, I would not have offered her anything by way of a tip. But, in fact, I was delighted to have her company and delighted to give her a nice tip.
In my view, the bars/hotels/termas are all middlemen taking an unreasonably large cut for services that the girl provides. I have had bars in Asia try to charge me a "bar fine" to take a girl out. I have had hotels in Fortaleza try to charge me an extra "guest fee", on top of the agreed room rent, to take a girl up to my room. I have had this terma in Rio charge me this "bar fine". In each case, they are providing no service to justify their fee.
But not all establishments try to take this kind of a middleman cut. For example, LA Cafe in Manila is just a regular bar charging regular prices for their drinks... the bar is filled with freelancers and you negotiate directly with the girl... whatever you agree to pay goes entirely and directly to her from your hand, the bar is in no way involved in the transaction. The bar does manage to sell a lot of drinks because of all the freelancers and their clients, and in that way they legitimately earn some of my money. But there is no "bar fine" involved. Similarly, the Manila hotel I stayed in charged me a reasonable fixed rate for my room, which included breakfast for up to two people every morning, and charged me nothing for the extra guests I took to my room every day.
In short, I dislike paying middlemen who generally offer no service. I have no qualms whatsoever about paying a girl very well, if she provides me with very good service.
El Austriaco
12-29-06, 02:17
In my view, the bars/hotels/termas are all middlemen taking an unreasonably large cut for services that the girl provides. I have had bars in Asia try to charge me a "bar fine" to take a girl out. I have had hotels in Fortaleza try to charge me an extra "guest fee", on top of the agreed room rent, to take a girl up to my room. I have had this terma in Rio charge me this "bar fine". In each case, they are providing no service to justify their fee.
Personally, I have never liked the "bar fine" concept, though I do understand the reason it exists, and usually simply don't go to places that demand a bar fine, considering that there are always many other options available. I am still puzzled about the "low-end" termas in Rio that charged you R$250.00, though. I have never heard anything like that. Which termas was that, anyway? Sure sounds like a rip-off to me.
But not all establishments try to take this kind of a middleman cut. For example, LA Cafe in Manila is just a regular bar charging regular prices for their drinks... the bar is filled with freelancers and you negotiate directly with the girl... whatever you agree to pay goes entirely and directly to her from your hand, the bar is in no way involved in the transaction. The bar does manage to sell a lot of drinks because of all the freelancers and their clients, and in that way they legitimately earn some of my money. But there is no "bar fine" involved.
Well, there are tons of places like that in Rio, too. Meia Pataca, Balcony, Terraco Atlantico all operate based on this business concept; hey, even Help does (except for the R$ 22/$32 entrance fee, drink prices are actually cheap).
Similarly, the Manila hotel I stayed in charged me a reasonable fixed rate for my room, which included breakfast for up to two people every morning, and charged me nothing for the extra guests I took to my room every day.
The hotel I usually stay at in Copacabana charges me $12.00 extra for another occupant, which includes breakfast for another person, too. And if the girl didn't stay overnight, I paid nothing extra. Sounds pretty reasonable to me. So there are similar deals to be had in Rio, too.
Yankee, I totally agree with what you are saying about your difficulty of getting a GFE in Asian countries because of the language barrier, or to use your words,"its tough to joke & kid around and have fun with a girl if you can't say even 3 words to her". For me, that's ultimately what determines a GFE (or the extent of it): I mean, if my interaction with the girl is essentially limited to rudimentary communication a la "how much?", "OK", actually handing her the money afterwards, and "bye", it's just very hard for me to forget, even just for a second, that I am with anybody for any reason other than I am horny and she needs cash. And once you can communicate, even if just a little bit, things like DFK or DATY and BBBJ just seem to be so much easier to obtain. And if I can't communicate beyond the level of a one-year old, the commercial nature of the transaction just hits me smack in the face every other second. And that's probably the reason that I have mongered almost exclusively in Spanish and Portuguese-speaking countries. For the P4P+ experience.
EA
Yes, the most notorious incident.
EA
I did get the info from BBC news, who only highlights the major parts..
But all that are not familiar with Rio, it is NOT a place to wander the streets at 1AM, let alone the beach. The OP who said this is a very safe place is far from accurate and you need more than common sense as there are dangers for tourists and locals alike.
Rosine, care to share how long you been married and how long it took after that to get bored and want rio again? Give us some details on married life please...Sorry, it took me so long to see that you asked. Married life is great actually, but I got the right girl. A man will never lose those urges, clearly, but I was ready to start a family so that's that, right? Hopefully this trip with her will justify my obsession with Brazil and open up more opportunities for me to go back. Not much changes though. I'd say if you don't want to grow a family with kids and the like, definitely don't do it. Those are things I want, so it works for me. Maybe this was a bit more upfront than what you were looking for, but I have to keep this one relatively real.
R
I just had this conversation with a friend of mine the other day; we used to go to Rio before he was married and a couple of times a few years ago when he was married. He told me that the other day his wife said to him, looks like your days of going to Rio with Rio Bob are over? He responded that no he is just taking a break because he needs his money for other things. She then said to him we can go together if you want? He said to me then why even go?
My answer to him was that you need to position yourself in a hotel that she likes, has many things for a woman to do and she feels safe and comfortable in. I told him just like Lorenzo told you that the best choices are The Rio Sheraton or the Intercontinental both have a sprawling resort type feel with restaurants, Olympic size pools, spas, hairdressers, manicures and a gym. So after a couple of days of touring with her she might turn around to you and tell you she is going to get a manicure and a massage and lay by the pool honey, what are you going to do today?
Well you know the answer to that already, don't you? If you choose the Rio Sheraton then right across the street is several Love Motels like VIP and Shalimar and others. All you have to do is walk out the Sheraton, walk across the street, meet your escort in the lobby, and spend 2 hours with her then walk right across the street to see how the massage is coming along. You can always say that you walked to Ipanema and back, great exercise. As a matter of fact you can take daily walks, right? Since the motels are right across the street then no commute time, your time is used very efficiently. Just make sure you call ahead of time as it usually takes these girls an hour to show up so you don't want to be sitting in the room waiting for an hour, just wasted time.
Years ago I took 2 girlfriends to Rio, both times when I landed we hopped in a taxi and went straight to Buzios then on the way back stayed 1 or 2 nights in the Rio Othon Palace but in those days Meia Pataca was just like any other cafe on Ave. Atlantica, it just wasn't as obvious but the same stuff went on.
Then of course you have the Caesar Park hotel in Ipanema but the roof top pool is small, she may get bored there, you really want a place where you can leave her and feel safe that she has room to move around like the Sheraton. There are also 2 hotels in Leblon Marina Park and Marina Palace, not sure about the pools of these hotels but if they have any I bet they would be small roof top but the Caesar Park would be the highest class but the Marina hotels are nice too.
Then of course you can get away with this at the Marriott on Copa, very nice roof top pool and in short walking distance not too much evidence of the Copa scene, this is a great option for Copa along with the Copacabana Palace, in those areas of Copa the GDP scene is not too evident. Plus the Copacabana Palace has a big pool and very very nice, your wife would love it plus easy for you to get away to the Copa termas's. Yeah, thanks for the advice. I'll check out all those options. Being at a hotel right across the street from the motels seems like a suspect move to me, but then again I've never been to the big motels, so I'm not sure what they have to offer. Soccer on the beach, my daily runs. All the ideas I was bumping around in my head. I think you hit the nail right on the head with that Buzios call. Then I'll try and do something, hopefully in Ipanema, but NOT COPA. I just can't be close to ground zero on any level. I don't even want her to see the sea of Americans over at MP. I mean, if she sees it on the one day we walk over there to check out famous Copa, fine. But as a jump off point, I just can't do it. I'll check out the places you listed and make a call. Should be interesting. A terma run might be tough, but I feel like I may be able to pull at least one off. Thanks.
R
Reading the rio section and I've noticed that the termas in this area as well as other termas are not mentioned at all at the forum or at least not a lot.
In the barra area you have:
1.Praia club 400. web site: www.cafe400.com.br
Very well known house in the area a little bit on the high prices but good looking girls (you can see a couple of them on the website).
Management at this place can be a pain in the #%$ sometimes but the girls make it worth it.
2. Termas Paris Cafe : www.pariscafe.com.br
This termas used to be termas pigalle.
Same prices as the centro termas (last time I checked) and you will find some good looking girls also.
3. Termas Ancoro do recreio: www.ancoradorecreio.com.br
Talent at this house not what it used to be but you will still find a couple of good looking garotas.
4. Rio Tropical Club: www.riotropicalclub.com.br
One of the places I like the most in this area 30-40 girls in their permanent team. They always have parties where the number of girls goes up.
Very fun and realxed place not to mention that it is huuuuuggggggeeeeeee!!
I recommend it
5. Club 600 : www.club600.com.br
This place is from the same owners of praia club 400, it's more of a downscale place but you can still find something worth your reais.
Well I'm going to leave it there for now hoping that this encourages reports on all of these places.
P.S. : I'll be posting on more places later on
Brugal8Wow, this is great information. Now how much would a cab from Copa cost to get out to these places and then would that price be worth the discount you'd get on non tourist termas? Any idea what the cost structure is in these places? These have to be places solely for locals, no? I'm officially intrigued.
I completely agree there are gfe everywhere if you have even a little bit of game by meeting girls on braziliancupid.com, in person at the bars in ipanema, or just getting out and meeting people. Was there for 16 days and spent most of my time with three girls which I paid nothing to all nonpros and spend one night at help and two night at luomo. Very easy just need to put time into it.Yeah, I don't really get it. To me, Rio and Brazil is GFE heaven, that's what sets it apart from other places that have hot women too. In fact, I've found too much GFE when I don't really want that. I actually have found that I need to put some distance between myself and these babes. I've always thought they latched on for business purposes and I still do, but let's be real, some of them do want affection and some want to be saved from their lives in the programma. I've never sent back a penny to a chick, but I know some dudes who have... that provides incentive for these women to give you the GFE.
Brazil is total GFE, with stunning women of all kinds are completely uninhibited sex. I've been to Mexico, Columbia, etc. and I've never had any experience that even comes close to what Rio offers. I've never been to Thailand so I can't speak on that, but if you can't find what you want in Rio. There truly might be something wrong with you. No? Disaster should just try again. Nothing beats Brazil for anything you want that has to do with sex.
The Corn Hole
12-29-06, 20:39
Dude Disaster53,
Rio and GFE go hand in hand. Unless you have horrible hygiene and resemble Uncle Fester you should not have too much trouble finding it there. You don't even need Porto skills or repeat trips to obtain it either. Game? Ha! Like you really need much game in Rio.
Also, all this talk about Rio pro's being too hardcore makes me scratch my head. I guess one should define what hardcore is. Are we talking in terms of an all business type of attitude or what? Because I've mongered in many countries including other places in S. America like Buenos Aires and I can safely say compared to the so called "high end" stock of WG's those other countries have Rio pros seem more like amateurs or semi-pros. You want hardcore check out China or Mexico or Western Europe.
I get the feeling you're are somebody who only goes for the super stunners. Maybe that's why you had difficulty with GFE. Usually the 9's and 10's think they are Divas and act accordingly. But I still think the Rio 9's have a better attitude than BA 9's. Go after the 7's and 8's and you'll probably get much better service.
Also, let me ask you did you tell these garotas you're only going to be in town for a few days? Next time you go to Rio tell them you're staying for alot longer than ten days. Rent an Apartment and give them the impression that you are planting your flag there and you aren't just blowing through town.
I agree with the other poster who said Brazil and the Philippines are the two best countries in the world for GFE. I would put PI as number one and Rio as number two. For PSE though Rio takes it hands down!
Yankee 617
12-29-06, 22:30
I agree with the other poster who said Brazil and the Philippines are the two best countries in the world for GFE. I would put PI as number one and Rio as number two.
Agree entirely. Right now, I feel the exchange rate is better in PI... so my focus will be there for awhile.
Within Brazil, the best experiances I've had were not in Rio (and I have yet to explore SP). Such places as Fortaleza, Macieo, Curatiba, Arrial d'Ajuda and Salvador da Bahia have been great. But it could be that I've simply spent so much more time in Brazil outside Rio (vs inside Rio) that I have many more fond memories outside Rio to choose from. On my initial voyages to Brazil, I avoided Rio and SP because I was a little afraid of them... "expensive" big cities with a reputation for violence... but with experience (and language lessons) my fears have dissipated. In fact, my last trip (about 1 year ago) included a few days in Rio during which time I visited the infamous Vila Mimosa (is that the name?), which someone on this board aptly compared to the bar scene on Star Trek (the one with all sorts of dangerous desparate weird alien creatures). Anyway, one of my first girls in Brazil was a sweet SW in Recife who came to my room on 2 separate occasions, each time for only R$50... I even walked her to the bank afterwards so she could deposit the cash in her account... and she was protective of me when crossing the street (to ensure that I wasn't run over by a crazy driver). Yes, GFE is everywhere in Brasil.
Getting no GFE in Brasil is like finding no Arabs in Saudi Arabia!
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