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European66
03-27-06, 12:09
I had 12 nice experiences and one bad experience with a girl what I can warn you.
Later more.
Nice girls I found in "Ave Prado Junior" from 10pm up to 4am.
Sabrina, a 21j very lovely girl a braid. She wanted R80,-, I gave her 100,-.
Joana a typical brasil girl with pronounced ass and beautiful breasts: R150,-.
Giovanna from Balcony (R150,-), she staied the hole night with me. My first girl from Mab's recongniced the "gringo" and shr disclosed the price in the apartment (R300,-), I payed, she was very good. All girls from "Help" wanted R300,- first. I got the girls for R200,- and 10,- for Taxi. A funny experience was a brothel in "Rua do Boenos Aires 113". I choose a girl and paid R10,- for every 10 minutes (a real good looking black girl).
In the Terma "Ave N.S. Copacabana 583, gr 203" I got a good massage and a good experience on the massagebed for R150,-.
Blowjob without condom I got only from one girl. I would say BBBJ is not common in RIO.
My best adventure was with Mila from "Help". both of us had two climax...
The bad experience was in the last night with a "help"-girl. She is 1,50m, nice face, seakes good English, white with blak hair, acne-problem on forehead, stand always outside from "help", blue-jeans. She made a really bad job, handjob with condom, yawning, be bored. After i sayed her she could stop and I wouldn't give her money, she waiked up, pulled the key, destroied the housephone, threw a thick glas on the wall, taked a las-splinter, jumped on me and held the splinter to my throut. Of course I gave her the money. I found 2 pics she could be.
European66
Member #4156
03-27-06, 15:39
The bad experience was in the last night with a "help"-girl. She is 1,50m, nice face, seakes good English, white with blak hair, acne-problem on forehead, stand always outside from "help", blue-jeans..... I found 2 pics she could be.
European66
European, nice short but descriptive report. Do you know if this chick's name happens to be Danielle?
Rio Lover #2
03-27-06, 17:58
"[QUOTE=European66]
Blowjob without condom I got only from one girl. I would say BBBJ is not common in RIO."
I have been to Rio several times and have always had BBBJ with all the girls I slept with. (I specifically ask the girls before we stay together)
RL
Update on cheap casas.
COPACABANA:
- Av N S Copacabana 583, apto 202
Open 10-22, R$ 80/20 min, R$ 100/30 min, R$ 130/60 min
- Av N S Copacabana 583, apto 204
Open 10-22, R$ 80/30 min, R$ 130/60 min
- Azuzinho 22, Rua Sigueira Campos 22
Open 14-24, R$ 100/30 min, R$ 150/60 min
- Rua Hilário de Gouveia 66, apto 1103
Open 10-21, R$ 51/20 min, R$ 71/30 min, R$ 121/60 min
* Between 5-12 girls working at each of these places. The standard of the girls are low, but sometimes there are nice exceptions to be found. A better options is taking the metro to the center. Lower prices and more to choose from.
CENTRO:
- Rua da Carioca 59, apto 201, 301, 302, 401, 402, 501 and C01
R$ 10/10 min and R$ 1/extra min.
Take the elevator up and the stairs down and check out the girls.
Lots of girls. Low standard but always some cuties around.
- Rua Uruguaiana 24
Open 10-20, R$ 18/15 min, R$ 26/20 min, R$ 36/30 min, R$ 46/40 min
Several floors. Lots of girls. Low standard without exceptions.
- Rua Buenos Aires 85
Open 10-20, R$ 10/10 min, R$ 15/20 min, R$ 30/40 min
Enjoy the narrow stairs while checking out 3-4 floors with girls.
Lots of girls. Low standard but you might find a nice one that's not occupied.
- Rua Buenos Aires 113
Open 9-21, R$ 10/10 min and R$ 1/extra min.
One floor with girls. Cabins upstairs. Low standard with very few exceptions.
- Rua do Ouvidor 130, apto 707
Open 10-18.30, R$ 13/10 min, R$ 20/15 min, R$ 30/20 min, R$ 50/30 min
A bunch of girls. Low standard.
- Travessa do Ouvidor 37
R$ 30/15 min, R$ 50/30 min
Lots of girls. Low standard with occasional beauties.
- The best option among the cheap casas in Centro are the ones that have adds in the Classificados with only phonenumbers (no addresses). There are several of these casas in the buildings on Av Rio Branco 156 and 181. Very discrete, no signs and with bosses that checks if you look like a OK customer before letting you in. Large and clean rooms with shower possibilities. Many of these casas have very high standard on the girls. R$ 60/30 min, R$ 80/60 min or R$ 105/2 girls in one hour. As it might be hard to choose among the girls the 2 girls-promoção is a good deal.
VILA MIMOSA:
It's impossible to mention cheap casas without mentioning Vila Mimosa.
R$ 25/20-30 min (the time depends on the casa). R$ 1-2/condom.
R$ 40-50/1-2 h at Hotel Canario. R$ 20/room.
Shitloads of girls. Average standard is low, but there are several beauties to be found. You can tell that the business for the Help girls are bad by judging from the growing numbers of ex-Help girls working at VM.
BootyTapper
03-27-06, 19:50
Good Info Sperta!
Funny that someone said he only had one BBBJ. In my several trips to Rio, I only have had one BJ w/condom, the rest were BBBJ
One Wing Low
03-27-06, 22:35
... of his depth of knowledge of one of human's primary preoccupation and vital activities, as well as his dedication to his mongering bros.
I feel like going to Rio this week, but unfortunately being chained down by a lot of obligations...
Last time in Rio I had a very nice girl from Karla Model. Her name was Anjelica. The girl I picked up at Help for an overnighter turned out to be a less-than-polished one with a large patch of long brown hair on her back! RUFF, RUFF...Too bad I was not exactly a doggie guy.
I had one of the best time with a very sweet, fresh, petite chica from Casa Vera in Iguacu. I have to come back again.
Perhaps Sperto could also enlighten us as to the best-value casas in Rio and Iguacu falls, where we can find the finest Brazilian species for reasonable stipends...We could exchange much more pleasurable company this way.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Update on cheap casas.
COPACABANA:
- Av N S Copacabana 583, apto 202
Open 10-22, R$ 80/20 min, R$ 100/30 min, R$ 130/60 min
- Av N S Copacabana 583, apto 204
Open 10-22, R$ 80/30 min, R$ 130/60 min
- Azuzinho 22, Rua Sigueira Campos 22
* Between 5-12 girls working at each of these places. The standard of the girls are low, but sometimes there are nice exceptions to be found. A better options is taking the metro to the center. Lower prices and more to choose from.
CENTRO:
- Rua da Carioca 59, apto 201, 301, 302, 401, 402, 501 and C01
R$ 10/10 min and R$ 1/extra min.
Take the elevator up and the stairs down and check out the girls.
Lots of girls. Low standard but always some cuties around.
- Rua Uruguaiana 24
Open 10-20, R$ 18/15 min, R$ 26/20 min, R$ 36/30 min, R$ 46/40 min
Several floors. Lots of girls. Low standard without exceptions.
- Rua Buenos Aires 85
Open 10-20, R$ 10/10 min, R$ 15/20 min, R$ 30/40 min
Enjoy the narrow stairs while checking out 3-4 floors with girls.
Lots of girls. Low standard but you might find a nice one that's not occupied.
- Rua Buenos Aires 113
Open 9-21, R$ 10/10 min and R$ 1/extra min.
VILA MIMOSA:
It's impossible to mention cheap casas without mentioning Vila Mimosa.
R$ 25/20-30 min (the time depends on the casa). R$ 1-2/condom.
R$ 40-50/1-2 h at Hotel Canario. R$ 20/room.
You can tell that the business for the Help girls are bad by judging from the growing numbers of ex-Help girls working at VM.
I had 12 nice experiences and one bad experience with a girl what I can warn you.
Later more.
Nice girls I found in "Ave Prado Junior" from 10pm up to 4am.
Sabrina, a 21j very lovely girl a braid. She wanted R80,-, I gave her 100,-.
European66
Is it me or am I reading it backwards. You pay lower when they ask higher, not reverse.
Blowjob without condom I got only from one girl. I would say BBBJ is not common in RIO.
European66
You have been duped. I have never gotten a CBJ in Rio, NEVER!!! So it must be your game Euro66.
Dear mongers,
I'm sad to announce that I read in a brazilian forum that termas Centaurus was closed down today by the police.
However, it seems that they're going to reopen March 31st.
European66
03-28-06, 13:37
#Keldeson,
Sorry I don't know her name.
I would recognize her face at a picture.
About BBBJ in Rio:
No, I didn't ask before. But for me it isn't really important. Giovanna from Balcony confirmed my presumption.
Now I would say: If you want BBBJ you have to ask before. OK?
#Dollars
(she wanted 80, I gave her 100) I payed more that she wants. I do this when the service is good.
European66
You have been duped. I have never gotten a CBJ in Rio, NEVER!!! So it must be your game Euro66.
Dollars is right; two CBJ for me out of ? (jeez, cannot remember how many).
Good news on the exchange rate front today. With the fed boosting interest rates again today, the dollar has gotten much stronger today against most foreign currency, most noteably the Brazilian Real. Closed at 2.25 Reals to the dollar which is definitely the highest over the past few months. Maybe we can get back up to 3.00 so a trip to the Termas is under $100 US. Maybe it's just wishful thinking.
Well, I´m back after a 6 mo. separation from this promised land.
Arrrived friday am. 1 hr. nap, then to the beach, then to Lúomo. I have something with Lúomo being my first terma, 3 yrs. ago. Now it sucks. Lot´s of lazy lookin chicks. I found what I figured was my best bet and went for it. 5´8". Like a power forward, and with a bunda bem molhada. Semi loira (from Sta. Catarena) She was nice in the face, but had a total porn star body. She practically milked me right there while I drank my chopp at the bar.
In the room she was a totall freak, asking for my pau up her butt as soon as the door closed. It isn´t even something I love but it was like giving her a gift, the way she went at it.
Very little time...Went to 4X4 today. Couldn´t get out of there without two sessions and two sets of phone numbers(with plans). Now, I´m gonna need that phone I bought last time...Oh, and photos, photos photos...4X4 is FULLY STOCKED ! with plenty of 8´s and some 9´s. All I met werer quite sweet.
Ordem e Progresso!...
Went there friday sesssioned with a total hottie, got her number and accepted her offer to come to my room with her friend. The next night.I trusted her description. She didn´t lie. I had one of the most perverted baccanals in my room with the two of them. Her friend doesn´t do this formally, but will if her buddy does the security check on the dude in the terma. She just turned 18 and I´m glad she had to prove it at the front desk.
These two girls were right the fuck from a porn DVD of mine! they danced and jumped on the bed between positions. We all had a blast!!!
Ordem e Progresso
I visited 4x4 tonight and was told by a girl there that Monte Carlo was raided and arrests may have been made and the place was closed for a day. She also said Aeroporto was raided. Can anyone confirm what has and has not been raided? It looks like for sure Centarus and RioAntiga were raided and closed, for at least a day or two. She assured me that 4x4 would never be raided, as they pay big money to the police.
Anybody have any news on this? Who is next on the raid list.
I am only worried abit about my personal belongings, as I would think if you go to jail in Rio, your personal effects, (phone , CC, etc) could be at serious risk of disappearing for ever? Rio Police " What personal property".
IBZ
Dear mongers,
I'm sad to announce that I read in a brazilian forum that termas Centaurus was closed down today by the police.
However, it seems that they're going to reopen March 31st.
Hip Hip..Hurray!! Hip Hip..Hurray!!! Now that the worthless Centaurus has been closed, albeit for a few weeks, maybe a few of you Gringos will realize that there are other Termas in Rio worthy of your "Converted" green backs.
Trust me, this the best thing that will ever happen to us. Oh my, here's me busting the cap on a Moet Chandon!!!
Obrigado, muito muito Obrigado!!! ta bem ta bem!!
These recent reports of police raids are most distressing indeed. (Even the police closure of Centaurus is not something to celebrate.) I had always thought that the well-established Rio termas were a safe haven and exempt from this type of police activity. Does anyone understand what's really going on? Recent posts have suggested that the police are rabble-rousing for higher pay/payoffs. Could there be something else at play here? Perhaps a government crackdown on the sex trade? Does anyone know if there is a historical precedent in Rio for this type of harassment?
Lover Boy #2
03-29-06, 06:45
Mac is claiming that they only deported the black customers from America at the Rio Antigo raid. If true, this is a new low for Rio police and Rio government that let´s this police force run totally out of control. If not true, Rio police are still the suck ass of the universe.
I visited 4x4 tonight and was told by a girl there that Monte Carlo was raided and arrests may have been made and the place was closed for a day. She also said Aeroporto was raided. Can anyone confirm what has and has not been raided? It looks like for sure Centarus and RioAntiga were raided and closed, for at least a day or two. She assured me that 4x4 would never be raided, as they pay big money to the police.
Anybody have any news on this? Who is next on the raid list.
I am only worried abit about my personal belongings, as I would think if you go to jail in Rio, your personal effects, (phone , CC, etc) could be at serious risk of disappearing for ever? Rio Police " What personal property".
IBZI was at MC on Sunday afternoon. No sign of the policia or anything. Had an excellent time there. I'm sad that they closed the place down even for a day.
Madhatteruk
03-29-06, 11:23
Hi,
First post here - just got back from a trip to Sao Paulo and Rio - unfortunately no time for pleasure in Sao Paulo as I had found a fantastic looking escort called Carmi who I had found on the web and was looking forward to seeing her in the flesh, but no time.
Got to Rio and tried a number of agencies with no luck as none could speak english until I called Company Girl. Started going through escort names from their site but kept being told not available, so then asked who they had and could also speak some english. They offered Sheyla, who from the pictures looked ok - haggled on price as web site stated R$130 for 2 hours, but when asked if complete service told would have to negotiate with Sheyla on that when she arrived, but insisted on price up front and was eventually told R$200 plus taxi for full service, which goes with the territory if foreign expect to be ripped off, but still far better rates than UK and being really horny would have agreed to anything at that moment.
Sheyla arrived an hour late at the hotel, which by the way had no problem with having her in the room as I had booked the room for two at the time of arrival as it worked out only R$12.50 extra per night, and have had hotels try for full payment again if not pre-arranged at arrival. Sheyla who is also shown on the web site as Sabrina is definitely worth it - great body matching the pictures shown on the web, pleasant face and definitely into the job, I would say scores at least a 8. She said that Company Girl normally put each girl twice on their web site under different names to make it look as if they have more escorts than they do.
Had a great session with her including BBBJ, but she did say that she normally does CBJ as she doesnt trust most punters to be clean and will only do without if she trusts the bloke. Great fuck including anal, although she did try for extra but told her this had already been agreed then she was ok and seemed to enjoy it. Afterwards had a bit of talk, appears that she has only recently got into the game, normal story at Uni trying to raise some extra cash for spending, but appears to be from a good background but not sure if any of this is true. Had the feeling that she talks a lot to use up the time and do less action but I was so jet lagged it didnt matter to me.
The next night I had already had a look around and got info including Monte Carlo's but had been told that the door price was $R250 including the room and was only for 45 minutes and was thinking of looking further when I got a call from Sheyla to see if I was interested in her returning, haggled on the price as I thought it had been too high and settled on R$150 plus taxi but was told that it wouldnt include anal, but I told her we would discuss this at the hotel. She turned up an hour late again stating she had fallen alseep but was most likely on another job. Again great session, she at first said it wouldnt include anal for the price, but while fucking decided she wanted to to be fucked anal and went the whole hog - as said a great all round fuck. Had another session of talk and then tried some new positions and finished round two, just in time for her to shower and leave.
She said that she wasnt planning to do it for much longer and I had the feeling that she didnt need the money and was doing it more for kicks. Overall a great experience and I will definitely be returning to Rio.
Cheers
Termas Busted?
I have a problem with Rio if they bust Termas and only arrest Blacks yankees. Now if they are trying to get higher payout so be it. I always assume that the termas pay off gov't or high ranking cops to aviod this BS. It seems more like they might be try to monopoly the termas to only the ones that pay off well. I will be Rio in 2 weeks and being a military Officer; I can not afford the deportating process. I would like to know if anyone know which termas have deep pockets to make the cops happy or I will go to DR. Rio is not worth going too for just help, cheap thermas and call girls.
I had not heard anything about deporting people, is there some info to back this up? I am not really in a position to be deported either. Also, I never heard anything about a certain group (for example, black gringos) being selectively choosen from the customers, I repeat, I never heard anything about this.
Lets not start a panic on this until we have some more facts, my info comes from GDP at 4x4, so she is not exactly the most reliable source, she is probably hearing 2nd or 3rd hand her info.
I am concerned now as well, before, I thought it was a just a few day deal for political reasons, or as suggested, to increase payoffs somehow.
Any news is appreciated.
IBZ
$$$$$$ On the rise, today R$ 2.21, last night I saw 2.23 on bloomberg. Hope it holds or rises.
beats R$2.08 which was last week, at HSBC
Rio 5:40 pm
IBZ
my friend in rio, a resident monger, confirmed the facts that black gringos were deported from rio after spending a couple nights in a holding cell while their documents were being "processed". he says that rio police are specifically targetting black american tourists, as there have been news reports on television about the gdp scene involving hippee hoppee tourists.
This doesn't surprise me in the least bit. The Rio locals are getting jealous because foreigners are raising the prices of the local market, and taking the best girls. This makes them even angrier because many are black. Racism is deeply rooted in Brazil. They say that there is no racism, just descrimination based on class, but Brazil in actuality is lightyears behind the US in terms of "real" equality. I don't know if this is true, but my father's friend who lives in Brazil says that there are no black or asian politicians or CEOs of Brazilian National Corporations. Also, I was out with this Brazilian girl in SP...she is very high class and well educated, has a US tourist visa...not a GDP...she's attending USP one of the top schools in Brazil and is doing an "estagio (a type of internship that some brazilian students do near the end of their university studies). Her father has his own private practice in SP as well as teaching classes at USP. While all of this is irrelavent, I'm trying to prove that she's not some hick brazilian. We were getting into her car when this bum who happened to be black was trying to collect money for "protecting" her car while we were in a lounge. I tried to argue with him saying "E publico" but before I could finish she said something along the lines of "Voce e coreano, sou italiano. Imagina falar com este negro." This basically means "You're korean, I'm italian. Imagine talking to this black". Her friends didn't even blink, and when she said that I was kind of taken aback.
BootyTapper
03-30-06, 01:41
$$$$$$ On the rise, today R$ 2.21, last night I saw 2.23 on bloomberg. Hope it holds or rises.
beats R$2.08 which was last week, at HSBC
Rio 5:40 pm
IBZ
Ibiza I was going to post yesterday about that but I decided to wait and see what happens today. Yesterday it jumped 8 cents to $2.24R to close. Now I just hope it stays that way.
Tiradentes
03-30-06, 04:53
Well I guess the mean management at centaurus must have recently mistreated the wrong person. So, I am glad they got busted. I hope the owner will fire the entire receptionist crew as they are the worst.
I never met anymore disrespectful people than the bearded guy at centaurus, the fat old woman, and by far the worst of them all, the skinny guy who works after 11 pm.
Madhatteruk
03-30-06, 14:22
Does anyone have any experience or info about Sheyla/Sabrina from Company Girl - I tried to get some pictures but she wouldnt allow it - she is blonde as per link to company girl under Sheyla and Sabrina, and has a shaved pussy with a tattoo of 3 butterfly's but could be fake? Would appreciate any pictures or feedback.
http://www.companygirl.com.br/sabrina/index.htm
http://www.companygirl.com.br/sheyla/index.htm
Thanks
Hi,
First post here - just got back from a trip to Sao Paulo and Rio - but no time in Sao Paulo.
Got to Rio and tried a number of agencies but none spoke english until I called Company Girl. They offered Sheyla who is also shown on the web site as Sabrina, who looked ok - haggled on price as web site stated R$130 for 2 hours, but when asked if complete service told would have to negotiate with Sheyla when she arrived, but insisted on price up front and eventually told R$200 plus taxi for full service.
I had booked the hotel room for two at the time of arrival as it worked out only R$12.50 extra per night, and have had hotels try ask for payment for additional person if not pre-arranged. Sheyla arrived an hour late but was definitely worth it - great body matching the pictures shown on the web, pleasant face and definitely into the job, I would say scores at least a 8.
Had a great session with her including BBBJ, but she said that she normally does CBJ and will only do without if she is sure the punter is clean. Great fuck including anal, and seemed to enjoy it.
The next night I had a look around and including Monte Carlo's but had been told that the door price was $R250 including the room and only for 45 minutes, but got a call from Sheyla to see if I was interested in her returning, haggled on the price and settled on R$150 plus taxi. She turned up an hour late again. Again great session, she at first said it wouldnt include anal for the price, but changed her mind while fuckingl and went the whole hog - as said a great all round fuck. Had another session of talk and then tried some more positions and finished round two, just in time for her to shower and leave.
Overall a great experience and I will definitely be returning to Rio.
Cheers
Lover Boy #2
03-30-06, 20:22
I don't believe it. Where's the proof???
You need proff that Rio Police SUCK ASS?
This doesn't surprise me in the least bit. The Rio locals are getting jealous because foreigners are raising the prices of the local market, and taking the best girls. This makes them even angrier because many are black. Racism is deeply rooted in Brazil. They say that there is no racism, just descrimination based on class, but Brazil in actuality is lightyears behind the US in terms of "real" equality. I don't know if this is true, but my father's friend who lives in Brazil says that there are no black or asian politicians or CEOs of Brazilian National Corporations. Also, I was out with this Brazilian girl in SP...she is very high class and well educated, has a US tourist visa...not a GDP...she's attending USP one of the top schools in Brazil and is doing an "estagio (a type of internship that some brazilian students do near the end of their university studies). Her father has his own private practice in SP as well as teaching classes at USP. While all of this is irrelavent, I'm trying to prove that she's not some hick brazilian. We were getting into her car when this bum who happened to be black was trying to collect money for "protecting" her car while we were in a lounge. I tried to argue with him saying "E publico" but before I could finish she said something along the lines of "Voce e coreano, sou italiano. Imagina falar com este negro." This basically means "You're korean, I'm italian. Imagine talking to this black". Her friends didn't even blink, and when she said that I was kind of taken aback.
This is exactly how Brasil operates......but I cannot personally confirm that black guys were deported.....and under these circumstances, I would not take responsibility for proof unless I was there or knew the guys and they told me......because everyone here is full of shit in one way or another. There were some raids....it was in the newspaper. Mac is probably the best source on this as he studies this kind of stuff and probably takes personal pleasure if this kind of thing happens....based on the tone of his posts.
I do business here...so I have to come for reasons other than sex. If I were only coming for sex, I think I would begin to look for other venues......unless you cannot live without anal......for if you cannot....take a bullet, get ripped off, arrested and deported......but the best anal is right here!
Everybody in the world is racist. Some more than others. Patrincinhas aren't the only ones. From alto nivel, to the favela residents, the country has a deep rooted prejudice against blacks. It's not the same type of racism as we have here in the States. The culture is very different. It's very hard to explain. Sure...as a tourist, you're going to be treated well no matter what your skin color as long as you spend those greenbacks. Trust me, I was one of those people who thought that Brazil was free of prejudice and racism too. However, my eyes were opened after I spent a couple months living there and realized just how fake and superficial Brazilians can be. Of course, not everyone is like that.
It's not only black Americans, but the recent media has singled out black americans. At least thats what my friends who live in Rio tell me. *****houses are illegal in brazil...Termas. Basically any businesses that make a profit from pros. The reason most stay open is because Brazil is corrupt as hell and you can pay the police to not raid your business. I'm guessing its because the elections are coming soon, but I'm sure thats not the whole reason. Why would I lie about this? Sure, I've made some comments on black people in the past. But I wouldn't wish going to Brazilian prison on anybody. Those places are just shitholes and extremely dangerous. That plus deportation really suck and I'm staying away from Rio and sticking to Sao Paulo where the variety and safety is more to my liking until all of this BS calms down. Maybe a trip to Colombia?
It's not a matter of law, its a matter of "haters". When those Brazilians see tourists with the hottest *****s, they get jealous and instantly hate. It makes it even worse if the person is mulatto or black because they're not used to seeing that. Look at all the brazilians that go to 4x4 or Rio Antigo or any of the downtown Termas, .maybe one out of 50 is black. The rest are morenos or white.
Papa Wahala
03-31-06, 03:32
Gents,
For those concerned about the alleged deportation of American gringos in Brazil, you can contact the State Department's desk officer for Brazil. The Consulate security officer and the American Citizens section in the Consulate in Rio would be well aware of this if this is "rumour" is true.
I returned from Brazil a week ago after 4wks. While I was in Recife, I was asked tiwce in a three day period for my documentation by policia. Twice. This never happened before in 11 yrs.
Then in Rio last week I was ask to see documents while exiting the subway in Flamengo. I dress Brasilian when I travel, I speak the language and I assimilate.
Some Brasilian guys that hussle in front of HELP said that policia has been arresting more American tourist. Mainly because of the viloence the Americans are bringing. There was a fight involving over 15 Americans in HELP last month.
2 girls called the policia on some Americans that they say didin't pay them. I was on a bus heading to Barra and 5 Americans were on the bus yelling and laughing loudly. It was crazy. These male tourist are getting younger and more comfortable in Rio. These flavalas don't scare some of these guys, you can hear them 3 streets away.
When the police stop you it not a 2 or 3 minute stop. They keep you standing there on the street for 5 to 7 minutes, just standing there. Busese passing and people walking by its crazy.
California Guy
03-31-06, 05:01
I am still going this May. I don't act like an idiot to begin with so I am not worried about getting checked but it does suck when you aren't doing anything wrong. Still if Rio gets worse I have no issues going to other cities instead, there are girls all over, but I doubt I won't go for at least a few days. Oh well, take care and hopefully people here are writing to help others avoid trouble rather than keep them away from places!
In Brazil, you don't need to do anything wrong to be arrested. Cops plant drugs on tourists sometimes just to bribe them. Come on, I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm just saying, I know you're not so naive to think that these corrupt pricks actually need to see you doing something wrong in order to hassle you.
Exec Talent
03-31-06, 12:21
It really would be great to have some "2006 Rio de Janeiro Reports" from people who actually have been to Rio this year or who are in Rio now.
I personally checked out 4x4 yesterday and the coast is clear, no arrest, no deportations ocurred.
I also stopped by two of the places mentioned by Sperto. Both were on Ave Buenos Aires. Well, for $R10, I guess you get R$10 hookers, these places were downright scary. One had a spiral staircase that was very small and the lift did not work. The place gave me shivers to think about a fire there.
Anyway, for me, I would need to be broke. The places reminded me of a Tiujuana strip bar.
I walked through both quickly, and headed straight for 4x4.
Anyway, I will try to check out more, and file a report when possible. I asked a 4x4 girl what % she gets and it is really big , 140/200, she can make some serious money each week, if busy.
IBZ
It really would be great to have some "2006 Rio de Janeiro Reports" from people who actually have been to Rio this year or who are in Rio now.
For me the beach in front of the Othon is really a good safe bet. You have time to converse, discuss cost, see fully what you are getting into, and enjoy the beach if nothing is interesting. All in all, a good way to monger.
It also gives you a chance to watch how they interact with other people, which can tel you a lot about what may come later.
IBZ
It's a LOT MORE than being hassled. I don't call being arrested, then held in custody for 2 days -- after which you're deported -- being "hassled" by the police...to use your word.True, but the cops down there could hassle a tourist, and if he doesn't "bow down to the law" or cooperate they can easily lie saying you attacked them or that you had drugs on you (they've been known to plant drugs on tourists to extort money from them). I don't know if that is grounds for deportation, but its easily grounds for jail time and further extortion in the way of "fines"
Papa Wahala
04-01-06, 01:26
When provided information by someone who has dealt with these type of issues, you can say "thanks for the info" or better yet, say nothing.
You seem to like engaging in "in your face" and contentious discussions which does not interest me in the least. So Peace be with you as I add you to my Ignore list.
If knuckleheads are getting arrested for failing to respect Brazilian law, customs or for fighting, GOOD!!
That's what should happen when you don't know how to act in someone else's country.
I returned from Brazil a week ago after 4wks. While I was in Recife, I was asked tiwce in a three day period for my documentation by policia. Twice. This never happened before in 11 yrs.
Liucio, what did you use for documentation? I always hate carrying my passport for fear of having it ripped off. Did you show your passport or a photocopy of it?
Rex
I traveled throughout the northern interior states of Brasil this trip. It was great, it was new to me. While in Rio I always get the scoupe on Rio. The quality of living for these girls has improved greatly. I seen programa girls with IPODS, not MP3's, no these were Apple IPODS. So, I guess these dollar is treating them well.
Politicians are, from what I hear, stomping out corruption. Most of the people I know, feel that Rio has changed. The police have received a pay increase and an increase in training. Brasil has the sexiest women I've seen.
While I was in Rio, it seemed to be safe as hell. I seen so many police planted on the Copa corners. It was crazy. There were 3 policia per intersection at 1am while I was walking with a programa.
I was stopped by the policia because a European couple were trying to get direction and they seemed frustrated. I intervened and started speaking English when I heard English being spoken. Thats when the sh*t head walked over to me asking for my documents. It was all bullsh*t. U could see bullsh*t on his face. I violated my socratic oath "mind your f*king business".
U have to carry you documents in Brasil. U have to. It is recommended by lawenforcement and the consulate. Every girl at HELP would tell you this. U would have to be crazy riding the buses or trains in Rio w/o ID.
It will always be an inconvience until you need to present it to an official that has halted your movement.
Observe Brasilians walking back from the beach, they always have a wallet or purse.
I have heard nothing about deporting blacks. I have heard the policia are arresting more blacks in Rio. American Blacks. There has been HUGE problems near Barbarellas and inside HELP the week after Carnival. I have spoken to many programas and I have heard the same thing.
I am unsure if its Ball'as brawling or policia targeting attention seeking individauls.
The fight in HELP was between Americans. All the programa garotas get out of the way when this sh*t happens. Smart American cats head the other way. You do not want to be a bystander watching a fistacuffs in HELP or Barbarellas when RIO's fininest coming smashing thru the door with those BLACK WOODEN STICK in hand. I was told there was a fight and men went taken by the policia.
I do not think you can be deported for involvement in a fight. Nor, do I believe you can be deported for being a terma. I do not do the termas any longer, so I do not know the facts on that. But these garotas will tell you what you need to know about avoiding trouble.
I need to add that all fines in Brasil have increased. So if you are in trouble be prepared to pay. If possible settle the sh*t on the street. Pay off whom ever on the street. U want to only deal with that corner policia, once his primos show up the cost get higher. Guys this is from personal experience.
I enjoyed Rio the time I was there and you may think I'm carzy but I think the place maybe safer. I have mastered the northeast and the interior and there is a huge difference in the people. But after returning to RIO for a couple of days it seemed safer, it could have been the presence of the militia.
I know I can't afford RIO, anymore especially the women. LOL
RexG,
I always carry my passport. Always.
I copy is not accepted by the policia and do not listen to someon that tells you to make a copy and carry it around. Do not. Carry it or depend on some luck.
No crimimal wants your passport. Brasilians criminals have no use for your SS#.
I have carried mine for everyday for over 25 days and never lost it. I am always on buses and traveling over night so I need to have mine on my person.
Good lock
BootyTapper
04-01-06, 19:04
what am i supposed to do??? ask the american consulate in rio if any black americans have been arrested in *****houses, and then been deported??? or better yet...call condi rice's office, and ask if there's been any black american guys arrested & deported for visiting *****houses in rio???
get real!
rastaman its true, brothas were deported due to the raid at termas rio antigo. i was doing some research about it this morning because i received an email with news from rio and this story was one of them. i know the tv channel rederecord in rio carried the story and showed everybody being escorted out of the building. the email says that the news anchor even commented that the girls were handcuffed with their hands infront of them so they can cover their faces, but the americans were handcuffed with their hands behind their backs to show their faces. the only men the news showed being lead away were brothas although other men were there. the same news anchor also commented that african americans were the number 1 sexual tourist to brasil. now i have been to brazil several times and i know that is not true. one any given day in rio or any other city in brazil, there are more european guys looking for garotas than americans, mind i said americans. i did not even want to go and single out any group of americans because the europeans would still out number them by a wide margin. i am trying to see the video of the arrest to watch it for myself, but the reports i got so far say its true. termas rio antigo was shutdown not because of sexual tourism or **** workers, they were shut down because they did not pay off the police. racism is still alive in brazil, blacks are looked down at, so imagine now if successful blacks from another country comes in and starts mingling with their women. i have read news reports and heard stories of how brazilian women are mistreated by europeans, but were they front page news, hell no!! it was just a little section in the main newspapers or news show. let an american get arrested, worst yet an african american and it becomes regional and national front page news. i would be the first to admit that some brothas don't help improve the image of americans abroad, but we are definitely not the biggest offenders of anything in brazil.
ps- the same email also said termas centaurus was not shut down. the police received an anonoymous tip that there was an alleged **** girl working there which turned out to be false. another sign of hating!!
once you leave atlantica avenida you don't see that sh*t from blackmen in brasil. for example, i met a group of 4 young black men in recife and they quiet low key looking to enjoy themselves. they were in search of an alternative to rio. there was no hustle & flow mentality. we traded info on destinations and they had found some nice enclaves.
i did not know you can be deported for being in a terma. arrested yes, but brasil rarely deports. they will extort, fine, take, skake down, take posession of, confirep001e but deporting is not to their advantage.
Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson
BootyTapper
04-01-06, 23:06
i read your post and as a brotha, i highly disagree with it. it seems like you need to first read a us history book, then checkout some brazilian history and you will maybe see why its a sensitive subject for african americans hearing this from a white person. as the other guys that posted after you said its seems like you are boiling over with racist thoughts. one thing you did and the big violators for the racist thinking do is called, "over generalization". you look at an issue and if one did it, all did it also, you throw everybody into one pot because its more convenient for your thinking. some of the comments you put in your post are pretty amazing and out there. for instance your "ghetto trash fantasy" theory. where did you come up with that shit?
i am a brotha that has been to brazil many times, i have never done anything you described or plan to. my boys and i are some of the most low key people in rio. the only times you may see us all together are on the beach, maia pataca, or help. even at those times, we see and hail each other, then we are off doing our own thing. as a brotha i will say that some of the things you describe has been done, but the way you say it makes it seem like it happens everytime! there are two sides to every coin, you seem like you have alot of experience with one side, it might shock you to see that there are african americans that are not like that, totally opposite to your beliefs and thoughts. every race has assholes, its just that some groups are highlighted more than others.
ps- if you want some history and info on sexual violators in brazil, you don't even have to look too far in history. try this year, hell try carnaval in recife. do research and you will see the biggest violators and mongers of **** girls in prostitution are whites. also the brazilian goverment were concerned with europeans coming into brazil, marrying their women, taking them back to europe, treating them badly, sending them back home, and sometimes they are physically messed up or even dead.
Ok, I have just found a $512 RT fare to GIG from where I am now (Quito) but I have heard so much BS and rumors on this site that I don't even know if I should consider going, can someone please tell me what the fuck is really going on in Rio right now? Some people are saying the cops are deporting people and shutting down termas, others are saying it's not true, and now Liucio is saying Rio is 'safe'? (I can't believe that Rio will ever be truly safe). What the hell, does anyone actually know what the fuck is going on in Rio? Someone's got to be there right now, what's going on??? I can't believe we can't get a straight story about this. I know Rio Antigo was raided and shut down because I read it on oglobo.com.br (unless they're full of shit too) so can anyone at least point me in the right direction to where to get reliable info? Just on the exchange rate alone I'll probably end up going to Colombia instead, but the airfare is tempting me...
Rastaman: You're always saying that Brasil is a country of 'people of color', but have you ever seen the people that actually run the country, the congresso, etc? The vast majority of them are white! According to your logic, since the vast majority of poeple in Brasil are poor, the poor must control the country as well. And there's no way you think that racial profilling doesn't exist in Brasil, I know for a fact it does because I'm Italian-American and when I was in Fortaleza last year the cops up there asked to see my ID, when I showed them my CA state driver's license, one looked suprised and said point blank that I wasn't from 'Italia' and let me go, they were specifically looking for Italian nationals. Of course that probably doesn't bother you since you're not Italian.
God damn it, this board pisses me off sometimes...
Reading all these reports is making me have second thoughts of going to Rio at the end of the month. I have mongered all over the world and I have to say Rio is the best by far. Always a GFE!. But with all these raids on Termas, and Americans getting arrested and deported are making me REALLY concerned. Not to mention, the US government can press charges agianst you if they find out you went down for the purpose of soliciting sex. I think that all these raids may be at the hand of Dubya in DC
Ezinho,
I think for now, I would stick with Colombia. I love Brazil...and speak portuguese almost fluently and no spanish, and I'm heading to Colombia in 2 weeks because of all the BS thats happening in Rio right now. They're targeting black americans, but theres always a chance that cops might fuck with you because you're american. Colombia is new territory for me, too. Looking forward to all the chicas with fine asses.
Just recieved an email from one of my girlfriend at Centaurus:
"sim a policia foi,mais esta tudo ok.nao tem mais nenhum problema"
roughly translated
"Yes the police went, but it is ok now. There are no problems anymore"
So it would seem it is business as usual now.
Junior
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-04-01-brazil-sextourism_x.htm
For those of you who cannot wait to hit the link the article is noted below:
Brazil starts operation to curb 'sex tourism'
SAO PAULO, Brazil (AP) — Cracking down on visitors who come to Brazil for sex, police raided clubs known for using call girls and strippers, detaining 118 foreigners early Saturday to discourage what authorities called "sexual tourism."
The tourists — mostly from Portugal, Spain, Italy, France and Norway — were briefly held in the northeastern city of Natal for not carrying passports or international identification cards that Brazil requires of all foreigners, police said. They were fined $76 and released.
Luiz Pereira, a federal police officer, said the country hoped the operation "will help discourage tourists who think sexual tourism is easy in Brazil."
"We are showing that police are paying attention to this problem," he said.
More than 70 federal agents raided two nightclubs known for using strippers and call girls to attract tourists, Pereira said. Police detained 118 tourists in the raids in Natal, 1,520 miles northeast of Sao Paulo, he said.
Prostitution is legal in Brazil, but people who promote sex tourism can be charged.
Some of the detained had expired visas and were ordered to leave the country within eight days, police said.
Police have conducted similar operations in recent months in Natal. In one raid, six Italian men were arrested on charges of owning prostitution houses aimed at tourists.
JOE FRANCIS: This article is for you. Pay good attention to the people and nationality getting arrested... detaining 118 foreigners early Saturday... The tourists — mostly from Portugal, Spain, Italy, France and Norway — were briefly held in the northeastern city of Natal... Natal, 1,520 miles northeast of Sao Paulo... In one raid, six Italian men were arrested on charges of owning prostitution houses aimed at tourists.
There are charter tourism from Europe to Natal. Lots of Italian and Scandinavians tourists. It could just as well have been US, Icelandic or Japanese tourists that have gotten detained in Natal if they were present.
I guess these crack-downs on sexual tourists are just temporarily. Partly of political reasons. It's very understandable that lots of brazilians get pissed of that foreigners only come to their country to f**k their women.
I don't think the police in Rio are looking for any certain nationalities or for people of certain colors to detain or deport. If you happens to be at the wrong place at the wrong time you might get busted. It's not like in Fortaleza where the police specially crack downs on Italians.
Lots of the Rio mongers are Afro-Americans, Germans or Italians. To me it seems that the Afro-American mongers behaves just as well as any other nationalities (even though often very loud-speaking).
The tourists in Brazil that gets involved in problems with sexual tourism are mainly european tourists. Unfortunately most of them come from a boot-shaped country. But of course all countries have their assholes.
maybe its good all the raids to keep the casual travelers out of there. You gotta admit there's a flood of travelers going to brasil and it's out of hand. The less the better.
After the Tsunami in Thailand and the bombings in Bali, Brazil is receiving many of the sex tourists who would normally travel to South East Asia.
-Helpmann :)
Lover Boy #2
04-02-06, 17:06
I think all of you guys who are reading this and thinking of not coming to Brasil should come and forget about all of this stuff....and just have a great time like I am having. There was a raid at Rio Antigo.....I cannot confirm what happened to the guys inside...as I said earlier this is a place where the ´´rumor mill´´ is a gigantic factory of imaginative thought...kind of like a Brasilian novel. They might have had problems with visas or maybe reacted in a way that the government went for deportation...if this even happened. From my standpoint....I have been to many lçocations...there are a lot of girls and few tourists...so there are great choices and the girls are coming down in price......at least for me!!
As to this black/white shit that always gets started here.......what the fuck is wrong with you guys? The girls love money.....the black man comes here for fun and spends money....so the girls are going to treat the black man the same as the white man. I think you American guys and other racist types cannot live with this...and that is the bottom line problem. You like to see the black man as a pimp or other type of lowlife. It makes you feel good to see some black person begging for food.....so you throw .5 reals at the person and feel like you have solved the poverty problem. When the black man is a business person and has a wallet full of cash...and is spending some real cash....it offends you to see him at equal footing with you. He doesn´t want your reals...he wants the same pussy you want at the club.....and maybe he gets what he wants and you don´t...or you just don´t like sitting down with a black person on an equal footing. Well......tough shit!!!! That is the way it is. Everyone is equal in this circumstance. If you can´t deal with this go to a place where racism rules every aspect of life...and the black (and lighter shades down to pasty white) will be excluded...then you can be happy and be king of the racist brothel. If you need to post racist shit...please go to another country forum. I don´t like reading this shit. It upsets me because I find the black people in Brasil (tourists) to be the friendliest and most knowledgeable ***** mongers. In all my travels to Brasil I have never had a problem with a black person...but my white brothers have caused a world of trouble. So, just be cool, have some confidence in your own dick and prowess and don´t worry about the black man. It´s a new world a coming...and if you don´t like it.....just give up and sit on your porch in Alabama.
RexG,
I always carry my passport. Always.
I copy is not accepted by the policia and do not listen to someon that tells you to make a copy and carry it around. Do not. Carry it or depend on some luck.
No crimimal wants your passport. Brasilians criminals have no use for your SS#.
I have carried mine for everyday for over 25 days and never lost it. I am always on buses and traveling over night so I need to have mine on my person.
Good lockI carried a photocopy of my passport and that was sufficient, everywhere. My friend and I were stopped once when riding back to the hotel in a same taxi. There were no chicks with us. The cops searched our pockets but did not bother taking any money. He was asked for an id (photocopy of passport was ok), I was asked if I was Brasilieros (sp?). He's African American, I am not. A few days later, I was returning with a Help garota and our taxi was waved through. My friend was stopped again, the same night. Always carry a photocopy of your passport page and visa page or else you risk getting hassled if caught.
ps- if you want some history and info on sexual violators in brazil, you don't even have to look too far in history. try this year, hell try carnaval in recife. do research and you will see the biggest violators and mongers of **** girls in prostitution are whites. also the brazilian goverment were concerned with europeans coming into brazil, marrying their women, taking them back to europe, treating them badly, sending them back home, and sometimes they are physically messed up or even dead.the people behaving like real assholes at help were european, not american. black, white and brown americans seemed to have a good time with the women. so what if a black guy decides he wants to look like a rapper? big fucking deal. mostly, these are brutha's who are just as amazed as anyone else with the incredibly hot garotas.
it's the europeans who behave badly, especially the italians. the scandinavians can't fucking stand still and all it takes is a little nudge and a warning - "hey buddy, keep that fucking cigarette away from my shirt".
I read that article on 4/1/06 in USA today.
My conrads seen the tourist in hand cuffs in Fortaleza and Natal on the Brasilian channel REDERECORD & GLOBO. It aired on 3/31/06 on both channels on there international correspondence news. They could did seesome black men but they I do not know if they were African or African American. But there were 4 black men all bound together in hand cuffs. Their were a van full of European men in the police van in hand cuffs.
Gents forget who is getting targeted but that Brasil is enforcing their law. The Federal police said in the interview with the reporter that the raids will continue and that they will enforce the law.
Lula has an election this fall and he needs to win public support and point to YOU as the problem of the children of Brasil.
He has taken a page out of GW press campaign : YOU are the war on CHILD EXPLOITATION in developing countries.
Fortaleza has many EUROS looking for young girls. Last year I personally seen many ITALS get stopped and asked for documents.
Lula has let lose the FEDS and they will grab U or the EORO, doesn't matter.
Lula needs to win public support to carry him thru his election with people.
Its nothing personal but he needs a face to put on the cover of OGLOBO magazine to say this is the enemy.
My advice would be go and get your bang on and don't hang around at the bar and sipp liquor and talk sh*t.
Get your 45mins in and head 4 the exit.
During my tarvels to the noutheast I noticed that Natal is overpopulated by Euros with money. OLDER EUROS spending crazy EUROS. They keep Natal economy prospering.
In Fortaleza this is nothing new. The poicia has been making arrest and raids like this for years. You will be set up if you are looking 4 the wrong thing.
Read my post on Fortaleza from 2004.
This really changes nothing because the police has done this before and from I read in the article and it looks as though the FEDS are just throwing the net out and not targeting.
You guys just need to adapt and adjust and obey the law.
Know the age of the girl and don't assume sh*t.
As it gets closer to LULA'S election, I'm sure he'll increase the TV arrests.
This should REDUCE the travels of many men so you should have more available women at a lower price.
Remember this is not race based. They r just throwing out the net and pulling in the catch.
Don't be caught in places they target. Now we know their targeted places so don't be caught in the targeted places.
I am waiting for e-mails from programas on the ground for more info.
Play safe
Good luk
TJ Fannatic
Play it safe by avoiding the palces that the FEDS are targeting
please TJ Fannatic, lets not start a fight over misunderstands.
I say aviod the places being targeted.
I would advise carrying your legally issued documents to avoid any, any trouble. I am ony suggesting this because I was tld this from the consulate years ago.
I have never met a Brasilian that carries a photo copy, so why would I as a tourist.
But we all should make our own decisions on safety, so do as you wish.
This is not an argument Pacific1, but I have been told go back and get my documents by every Brasilian I have traveled with.
Maybe some policia would give you a pass but I like controlling more of the variables.
Wanderer1000
04-02-06, 21:19
I just got back this morning from a week in Rio. I used Kenn for my apartment for a second time -- ez-riorentals. He lives in Copacabana. I had a problem with some electrical on the second day, and he was over in about four hours to get the problems fixed. His driver Rodrigo speaks half-way decent English, and he was reliable on both visits. My two experiences with Kenn would have me using him again.
I continue to feel at home in Luomos. I went there every evening except one, and I thought the selection of women was pretty decent. They have a small and good buffet every night - from 8 - 10 I think. They've got great showers and I like the layout. The atmosphere has always seemed relaxed and friendly. A 40 minute cabina now costs R250. I certainly felt the price difference from my trip a year ago. I had a favorita from Luomos come out to my place yesterday afternoon for a nooner before I left for the airport. I gave her R200 for two and a half hours - she gets R150 for 40 minutes in the terma, so I'm not sure if R200 is overpaying or about right.
I don't know if Rio felt safer this time, but it didn't feel any worse than my other three trips in the last two and a half years.
Watch those capirinhas - one night around 11-12 after I got back from Luomos, I was in the mood for downing some of these drinks at one of the beachside stands. I put down about five and a half of them in a little over an hour. They smashed me. By the time I walked across the street and up to my apartment, I had that uh-oh feeling. Did a couple pukes and was okay. I don't know if it's the combination of all the sugar along with the alcohol, but they earned my respect.
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I agree with Jackson
No more racist post or replies to racist post.
I'll be the 1st to stop
Sunset Strip
04-02-06, 22:08
I understood what YOU meant, Lucio. That is why I said "thanks".
But trust me, there is a general blurring of the terms "monger" and "sex tourist" amongst the media and politicians that can lead people who are reading this board to think your "happy hunting and good luck," condoned the latter term/activity, which implies illegal activity not condoned on this site.
And that is why those guys who only left their passports in their hotel rooms--which is understandable given the crime rate in Brazilian cities--were probably in the same picture with the real criminals. The media and politicians use these images to make it seem more people are involved in illegal acts than may actually be.
The same people "troll" (I think that is the term) these bulletin boards looking for posts that seem to condone what they do not.
I was only clarifying the intentions of the members here including you, Lucio.
We do not condone breaking any laws anywhere in the world!
TJ
TJ Fannatic,
We agree
all I advise is to carry your legally issued document for presentation.
The FEDS using undocumented tourist as their excuse to stop and detain.
Carry your documents because the heat has been turned up.
And your right NO ONE here is a sex tourist.
I was stopped and detained so when it happens to ME it is no longer news but a reality.
I´ve been up here for 3 days, and am coming back to Rio a day early. My full report is in the appropriate section. But hearing all this talk of the "war on sexual tourism" seems to possibly explain my sub-par experience here (from a mongering point of view).
TJ Fannatic,
We agree
all I advise is to carry your legally issued document for presentation.
The FEDS using undocumented tourist as their excuse to stop and detain.
Carry your documents because the heat has been turned up.
And your right NO ONE here is a sex tourist.
I was stopped and detained so when it happens to ME it is no longer news but a reality.
No need to carry photo ID. Just stay away from Brazil until after the elections. It's that simple. If cannot stay away then get prepared to be arrested. This is not ROCKET SCIENCE!!!
Has anyone on this board actually had thier passport on them while stopped by the police? I am interested in what happened, did they they just flip thru the book and let you go. Something tells me, that even if you do have your passport on you, they will hold you for a couple of hours just to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you off (Or make you nervous enough,that you will offer a bribe to be let go)
the last few days in copa have realy been rio at its worst.
i have lived here for 7 months, so i know copa pretty well. a few days ago there was a shootout in copa between the police and some drug trafficers. it was all over the papers. people were running for cover on the street. this was in copa, not somewhere else in rio. today i saw two grab and runs on avenida atlantica in two hours. in seven months i had seen one grab and run of a cell phone.
one grab and run was a small belly bag that probably had a camera and a wallet in it. this happened directly accross from mp, at the intersection of miguel lamoes and ave atlantica. the young kid grabbed the bag and ran full speed across the street, through traffic. i do not think michael johnson could catch this kid. the poor guy being robbed tried to chase him, but he fell down and would have never caught him anyway. now for the good part of this story, there was a policeman, a real one ( with the white tank top and a pistol, the beach police) that watched the whole thing, he was about twenty meters from the crime and saw the whole thing. i walked over to him about a minute after this happened and asked him why he did not try to stop the kid. he pointed to his knee, indicating it was hurt. ok, no problem, but on your chest is a radio, could you radio to your amigos that stand on ave copacabana and drink coffee all day, and let them know the kid was coming their way? of course not, those guys are the normal rent a cop brown shirts, not the white tank top guys. he also explained that the kid would be in the favela in 5 minutes, so there was no point to worry about this crime.
the night before i was in dominos ( ave n s copa - miguel lamoes) at 10:00 pm . i overheard a guy speaking english, so we talked a minute, and he told me he was a first time visitor. the night before he had been robbed by a male brasiliaro. he was at a suco bar in ipanema and a guy started talking to him, and said he could take him to some clubs. the brasilian has a car and will drive his new friend to these clubs. they have a drink, and for some reason they go to the tourists hotel, the next thing the guy knows he wakes up the next day, and he has been robbed, not everything ( the robber left his laptop and passport ) but took a dvd player and his credit card ( took out $1000), not sure how he got the pin. i am pretty sure the guy was drugged in his drink, he was not hit or beaten. this tourist stood out like a sore thumb, he was wearing a navy sportcoat, and just looked like businessman on the hunt. lesson learned, do not accept kindness from strangers in brazil, be careful about new friends.
then tonight, i am sitting at a cafe on the praia, and a lady next to me starts beating the shit out of her 20 pound dog for no reason, about 5 people, including me jump all over this fat pig of a lady, and she starts swinging and yelling. now her friend jumps in, another fat pig, and those of you who have seen latin women start yelling, know this can be a real vocal scene. one guy is so pissed he calls the police, they come and start asking questions. it lasts over 40 minutes and i am sure she kept her dog, as the police would never do anything, and if they took the dog, i would not like its chances in the dog pound of rio. ( ever wonder why you almost never see a stay dog or cat? it has been said that there is a dish know as filet le meow!, at the street corner grills) another thing, why are there not any birds in copa?
i feel sorry for the dog as i am sure that when the pigs got home, this would all be the dogs fault. i hope neither of these pigs have kids.
so in a few days we had a police shootout, two robberies and an animal cruelty case. lovely rio. i know this happens all over the world every day, but it does say something about rio.
i finish this by saying that in 7 months i have seen very little crime in copa, but the last few days have not been the best. ( and remember the fire in the building next door a few days ago and the jumper/suicide from a few weeks ago.)
i am leaving next week for 3 weeks in the states, i need a break from copa and rio. you guys come here for vacation and i can not wait to get out of here.
and i forgot to add that i saw a young girl, about 18 come out of the water with either a broken or dislocated elbow. she got flipped by a wave, and somehow got her arm twisted, she walked right by me and her elbow was really awkward looking. what a wierd couple of days it has been.
i went to the markets at uraguainia metro station. you can buy everything you see at the beach ( shirts , hats, bags, etc.) for half price. it could be the beach venders shop there.
i saw dvd's for r$5 and 3 for r$10. all kinds of computer software for r$10.
not sure what to say about the termas, all seems ok to me, i went to 4x4 3 times in a week and all was good.
ibz
Yes, I have actually been stopped with my friend DOC coming out of VM in a cab. The cop stop the cab and ordered us out at gunpoint. I had my passport and DOC had his California DL. The cop allowed us to go right away once he checked our ID. Please remember it is a crime in Brazil NOT to have your original ID or a copy certified in Brazil and be able to produce it, if requested by the police.
Ibiza007,
Thanks for the on the spot reporting. Nice to have someone in Rio reporting on current events. That's what I call value! I am sure it's also nice to be able to leave when you get tired of the Rio life.
RonnyRon
Yes, I have actually been stopped with my friend DOC coming out of VM in a cab. The cop stop the cab and ordered us out at gunpoint. I had my passport and DOC had his California DL. The cop allowed us to go right away once he checked our ID. Please remember it is a crime in Brazil NOT to have your original ID or a copy certified in Brazil and be able to produce it, if requested by the police.
RonnyRon
So it is cool to have a certified copy? Cause I keep hearing guys on different boards say that the police wont accept a certified copy, only the original. WHat info has to be shown on the certified copy? Is it just your first page with your pic and the Brasil Visa stamp?
I am not sure, since I always keep my original with me, but it has been reported here before where you need to go to have a copy certified in Rio.
RonnyRon
RonnyRon,
I DID NOT know it was a CRIME not to have your passport.
ibiza007,
I felt the presence of the policia at every intersection in Copa at 1am. There was 3 per intersection on a Thursnight. I was walking with a female garota. And she was explaining that there is now more policia on th beat now.
They bused in policia from different small cities during carnival. And Carnival was safe. They were arresting young men by the dozens to shut down rude behavoir. Every American I know that attended carnival said it was safe. The Brasilians said it was the safest Carnival in Rio in yrs.
I really felt safe walking from Leblon to Posto 6 at 1AM, speaking English.
Maybe it was their show of force.
I took a bus to Barra and on my return bus ride to Leme there was a police on both my buses and this was at around 7pm.
So the policia have definitely increased and they are out there patrolling the ruas.
Is LULA creating what Rudy Guiliano created in NY?
Is RIO in its infancy to a safer city?
Bravo,
I when I was stopped in Recife it was only for a minute. I produced my passport, he observed the photo and turned some pages and handed it back to me. And said abrigado 1minute
In Rio it took 5-7minutes just stand there. There were 3 policia. One was looking at me directly , another looking at each page of my document and another cleaning his hands with a napkin after sholving a desert in his mouth.
3 buses had stopped and people were staring and we occupied the entire corner. No words were exchanged at all between myself and the policia or between policia themselves. This lasted 7mins this took place in Rio.
Dollars,
Has the atmosphere in Rio convinced you to stay away? Will you be staying away?
I am not sure, since I always keep my original with me, but it has been reported here before where you need to go to have a copy certified in Rio.
RonnyRon
I have gotten into heated debates in the Foz section about passports vs. notarized copies.
Personally, I carry my passport when in Rio. If you do decide to go with a notarized copy/copies, make sure to copy the signature, photo, visa stamp, and entry pages.
On my last trip down the hotel desk clerk at the Othon Palace told me to keep my passport in my room safe and to keep the hotel checking card with me, and to use it as my id. It is a little paper card with the room number, and hotel info on it. Was that misinformation?
On my last trip down the hotel desk clerk at the Othon Palace told me to keep my passport in my room safe and to keep the hotel checking card with me, and to use it as my id. It is a little paper card with the room number, and hotel info on it. Was that misinformation?
Yes, that is misinformation.
I can't imagine foreign nationals even getting away with it here, in the USA. "Officer, here is my Holiday Inn key card for ID....the desk clerk said it would suffice." I don't think so...
Member #4156
04-03-06, 14:22
I just thought I'd be a little help for those who wanted the info.
I am not sure, since I always keep my original with me, but it has been reported here before where you need to go to have a copy certified in Rio.
RonnyRon
Copacabana...
503 Barata Ribeiro......
895 Av. Nossa Senhora de Copacabana...
248 Prado Junnior....
Ipanema...
550 Visconde Piraja
82 Visconde Piraja
Lucio.
I agree the police are everywhere, but I am not sure exactly what they do, besides stand on the corner, talk, eat sweets and drink coffee.
I am sure their presence is a deterant for some, but when the favela kids figure out that they will not even be chased, they will increase their daring habits. I know these robberies are small crimes, but they give Rio and Copa a bad name, and they, the police, could at least actually chase them.
And the fact that there was a shootout in the streets of Copa is not a great video clip for the Rio Tourist Board. If there were similar incidents in London or NYC, tourism would virtually stop, and here, it like " ah, whatever".
I agree with you in that I have walked all over Copa at all hours and I have not had a problem, but more than half of the GDP I talk with have had their phones taken in robbery (at least this is what they say). Maybe because they are easy targets.
In Copa many bad things can really be just a matter of time and luck. The criminal elements are here, for sure.
I am not crying wolf, just warning people to be careful.
Members, do come and have fun, just be careful and do not plan on getting any help from the police. As is always said, carry only what you need, and if robbed politely hand over your money, and live to monger another day.
IBZ
RonnyRon,
I DID NOT know it was a CRIME not to have your passport.
ibiza007,
I felt the presence of the policia at every intersection in Copa at 1am. There was 3 per intersection on a Thursnight. I was walking with a female garota. And she was explaining that there is now more policia on th beat now.
They bused in policia from different small cities during carnival. And Carnival was safe. They were arresting young men by the dozens to shut down rude behavoir. Every American I know that attended carnival said it was safe. The Brasilians said it was the safest Carnival in Rio in yrs.
I really felt safe walking from Leblon to Posto 6 at 1AM, speaking English.
Maybe it was their show of force.
I took a bus to Barra and on my return bus ride to Leme there was a police on both my buses and this was at around 7pm.
So the policia have definitely increased and they are out there patrolling the ruas.
Is LULA creating what Rudy Guiliano created in NY?
Is RIO in its infancy to a safer city?
Bravo,
I when I was stopped in Recife it was only for a minute. I produced my passport, he observed the photo and turned some pages and handed it back to me. And said abrigado 1minute
In Rio it took 5-7minutes just stand there. There were 3 policia. One was looking at me directly , another looking at each page of my document and another cleaning his hands with a napkin after sholving a desert in his mouth.
3 buses had stopped and people were staring and we occupied the entire corner. No words were exchanged at all between myself and the policia or between policia themselves. This lasted 7mins this took place in Rio.
Dollars,
Has the atmosphere in Rio convinced you to stay away? Will you be staying away?
Madhatteruk
04-03-06, 15:52
I joined this site last week after having just returned from Sao Paulo and Rio, and must admit that so far I am dissapointed with most of what I have read and the fact that nobody even bothered to reply to my first post, pretty unfriendly bunch.
This was my first time in Brazil as I was in Sao Paulo on business, and decided to take a couple of days in Rio. I spent two day in Rio walking around mostly on my own, with a photocopy of my passport, as I was also advised to leave this at the hotel, and was not stopped once or had any problems, even though I only speak english. I saw police around, and was grateful for it, because if anything they act as a detterent even if they do nothing. I have been to ten countries around the world including India and Africa, and crime is no better or worse there than in Brazil, you only need to be streetwise. I only saw one incident of a tourist reporting that he had been robbed, and that was when it had been pouring with rain and there were no cops around.
Brazil struct me as one of the best countries that I have ever visited and the people are amongst the friendliest that I have met and I have fallen in love with Rio and it's women. The strangest thing after having read a number of reports is that most of the people that I saw that appeared to be genuine holiday makers (couples and mixed groups of male/female) were mainly european tourists, apart from a few americans couples, but the male tourists that I saw/met in Rio on the pull where mostly black Americans? I think that for most europeans the cost and the time it takes to fly to Rio, there are a lot more places closer to home that are are just as cheap for escorts such as Poland, although in my experience none have the sexiness of the Brazilian women, and I will definitely be back to Rio. Hope to see some useful information posted in regards to escorts, places and experiences in Rio.
Thanks
Visiting Rio 20 times in the last 4 years , I finally found a sex machine which I can recommend in this forum:
A freelancer named Ingrid .
http://www.hotside.com.br/ingridmenezes.htm
Have fun
How much for how long, if not top secret?
Did she ask for taxi money on top, or was it included?
Obrigado
IBZ
Visiting Rio 20 times in the last 4 years , I finally found a sex machine which I can recommend in this forum:
A freelancer named Ingrid .
http://www.hotside.com.br/ingridmenezes.htm
Have fun
Some people actually think other people have good intentions and are not fucking thieves. It could happen to alot of people. And nobody deserves to get robbed.
And now, hopefully this guy will be much wiser in the future.
There are actually nice people in Rio that will help you, it is just a matter of reading which ones are which. Same with GDP, some have better intentions than others.
Unfortunately, those are some realities of life.
Admittedly, the guy was not very smart, but I really think naive, would be a better term.
IBZ
Some of the stories of what tourists do in rio is amazing. Why the fuck would you get in a car with a complete stranger you just met is beyond me. Go to the club by yourself or get a chic to go with you. WTF!! Its amazing how a successful acomplished person in the US will come to rio and use 0 street smarts. Some of these guys deserve to get robbed. Its Darwin's survival of the fittest being played out in rio.there is an old saying "Trust But Verify". Unless you feel comfortable with your verification, DON'T GO!
How much for how long, if not top secret?
Did she ask for taxi money on top, or was it included?
Obrigado
IBZ200R for 2h + taxi
If she enjoies time is flexible.
Look at www.barraelite.com
These prices are astronomical, R$500 - 5,000 per noite for Rio. And they do not show their faces.
Maybe, just maybe, guys that pay up to R$5,000 per noite, without even a face photo, do deserve to get robbed.
And before I forget, the fat pig that was kicking the crap out of her dog the other day, does deserve to get robbed, and punched in the face as well. ( see my earlier post about this *****)
If anyone should try this service, let us know if it is better than 3-20 trips to 4x4.
Thanks Arie for the info on Ingrid.
IBZ
Madhatter,
Thanks for the info, I read your report, and it was good solid facts about a girl in Rio,
Obrigado
IBZ
I joined this site last week after having just returned from Sao Paulo and Rio, and must admit that so far I am dissapointed with most of what I have read and the fact that nobody even bothered to reply to my first post, pretty unfriendly bunch.
This was my first time in Brazil as I was in Sao Paulo on business, and decided to take a couple of days in Rio. I spent two day in Rio walking around mostly on my own, with a photocopy of my passport, as I was also advised to leave this at the hotel, and was not stopped once or had any problems, even though I only speak english. I saw police around, and was grateful for it, because if anything they act as a detterent even if they do nothing. I have been to ten countries around the world including India and Africa, and crime is no better or worse there than in Brazil, you only need to be streetwise. I only saw one incident of a tourist reporting that he had been robbed, and that was when it had been pouring with rain and there were no cops around.
Brazil struct me as one of the best countries that I have ever visited and the people are amongst the friendliest that I have met and I have fallen in love with Rio and it's women. The strangest thing after having read a number of reports is that most of the people that I saw that appeared to be genuine holiday makers (couples and mixed groups of male/female) were mainly european tourists, apart from a few americans couples, but the male tourists that I saw/met in Rio on the pull where mostly black Americans? I think that for most europeans the cost and the time it takes to fly to Rio, there are a lot more places closer to home that are are just as cheap for escorts such as Poland, although in my experience none have the sexiness of the Brazilian women, and I will definitely be back to Rio. Hope to see some useful information posted in regards to escorts, places and experiences in Rio.
Thanks
RonnyRon,
Dollars,
Has the atmosphere in Rio convinced you to stay away? Will you be staying away?
I have been going to Rio for 4+ years and I have never been stopped by the police (knock on wood!). I even go to Villa Mimosa by myself. I'm not heading to Rio because it's getting old. I would like to see other parts of the world but even that is getting played out. The only continent I have yet to monger in is Australia.
Lima, CTG, Medilin, Angeles City, Dubia, and Romania still need another visit from my dick. I'm not in the mood for all the hassles in Rio right about now. Maybe things will simmer down by Mid May, just in time for my annual Mem Day Trip to Rio.
Look at www.barraelite.com
These prices are astronomical, R$500 - 5,000 per noite for Rio. And they do not show their faces... If anyone should try this service, let us know if it is better than 3-20 trips to 4x4.
IBZ
Sounds like a bargain. You can have Luana or Luciana for R$ 5000! Must be great earning 16 salário mínimo in one session.
That's equal to a 100 hour session with 200 different VM girls. Imagine lining up 200 VM girls doggystyle. :)
California Guy
04-04-06, 09:46
I am glad to see a positive report Madhatter! I will be down in May regardless of the negative posts I see here :)
Madhatteruk
04-04-06, 10:41
There is always someone who will find fault instead of being constructive, Dollars I'm sorry if you found my comments personal to you, and I have no idea what you are rambling on about in regards to being lazy and taking the easy way out. I have read lots of the threads and some of them are really good which is why I joined. I was referring to all the other crap that was recently posted. Why do you need to be so offensive, lighten up and enjoy the site and fellow mongers, do you not have any new experiences to share! Regards
Sorry to see you laboring in PAIN about not getting what you want. If you want some information and are dead set in getting it.........browse through the numerous threads in the Brazil forum. It has all the information you need. I hope you are not lazy and looking for the easy way out.
It's your call!!!
WTF??!!!
Sperto,
You would be one tired puppy!!!! If you try this, please take a bowl of water, as you will need to replace fluids.
IBZ
Sounds like a bargain. You can have Luana or Luciana for R$ 5000! Must be great earning 16 salário mínimo in one session.
That's equal to a 100 hour session with 200 different VM girls. Imagine lining up 200 VM girls doggystyle. :)
El Austriaco
04-04-06, 23:31
One grab and run was a small belly bag that probably had a camera and a wallet in it. This happened directly across from MP, at the intersection of Miguel Lemos and Ave Atlântica.
IBZ
Reporting from the ground here in Rio de Janeiro State, or Barra do Pirai, to be exact. Spent the past two weeks in the city of Rio except for three days in Angra dos Reis, but considering that I was interpreting/tour-guiding for a visiting family member, my P4P time was somewhat limited. But anyhow, listen to this.
This past Sunday, once I had some time to myself, I decided to hang in MP for a while to see what was happening there. Shortly after 10 PM, as the MP scene was dying down, I resolved to hop over to Terraço Atlântico, the place just outside of Help. The only thing I was carrying with me was a small backpack. As I was approaching the pedestrian crossing, a youngish looking guy (13+) out of a group of several kids approached me like any other vendor might do. While I was still waving him off, I felt someone running towards me behind my back, trying to jump and grab my backpack. I swirled around pretty quickly, nearly hitting the other guy in the head in the process. The other guy, another kid, actually, immediately took a defensive stance as if I had tried to assault him. An adult intervened, holding off the kids, which allowed me to quickly cross the street and get away. Sure felt like a spoilt robbery attempt to me, no doubt about it. Ibiza, doesn´t this eerily sound like the stuff you witnessed? And at exactly the same intersection??
I have been in Brazil now for more than two months, though most of this time, I didn’t spend in the city of Rio de Janeiro. Shortly after I got here, at the beginning of February, on Sunday, February 4, 2006, as a matter of fact, I was watching Vila Isabel parade down Avenida Atlântica. As you can imagine, lots of commotion and tons of people in the streets. At around 10:30 PM, while I was still taking pictures of the samba school members packing up their stuff and getting whisked away in especially rented buses, I was slowly walking back towards the Ipanema end of Copacabana, when my GF and I were approached by a kid, about 12, who looked like he was looking for a handout. This was about halfway between the Marriott hotel and Meia Pataca. I told him no and ignored him, but he wouldn’t leave us alone and kept walking with us for a while. Since he was talking in a low voice with my GF, I was not even listening, but after a while, as I was getting increasingly concerned about his presence, walking next to my GF, I decided to eavesdrop. That´s when I realized that he was trying to rob us, claiming that he had a gun and was ready to use it. A quick glance at him confirmed that he had his hand under his shirt, but as a matter of fact, I never actually saw the gun or anything. After a tense 30 seconds, my GF suddenly stopped in her tracks, yelled "Socorro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" at the top of her lungs, and the kid split as fast as he could, disappearing in the side streets...
So there you have it, two personal experiences of mine to add to the security incidents reported here. In addition, I was also on the ground in Rio when the shoot-out happened at the entrance to the Pavão/Pavãozinho favela in Copacabana this week, and I can confirm that the locals here were pretty concerned about how this shook down. Just today, I read in O Globo that one guy whose picture had been printed holding a gun during the early-morning shooting has been arrested after robbing an American tourist on Copacabana beach.
But the thing is, things like that have happened before in Rio and in Copacabana, and they will happen again, unfortunately. Whether this will affect you is merely a matter of luck (good or bad). In 2004, when I spent three-months-and-a-half in Rio, during a shootout one afternoon, a hand grenade was dropped onto Barata Ribeiro, and a waiter in a restaurant on the asfalto was hit by a stray bullet from the favela above. Avenida Niemeyer has been shut down on numerous occasions because of fighting in Vidigal, to say nothing about Rocinha. During the summer of 2004, a group of adolescents robbed several tourists on Leblon beach, one of the fanciest areas of Rio. And so on and so forth.
But can those things be predicted? Not really. I guess it was just a bad week with some newsworthy events. Other than that, business as usual.
Still, I’d be especially careful in the area around Help/Terraço Atlântico and Meia Pataca, and especially with adolescent vendor look-alikes, particularly at night. Remember, the age of entry for wanna-be criminals in Rio is surprisingly low. If you don’t believe me, please go and watch Cidade de Deus, the award-winning movie by director Walter Salles about life (and death, and lots of it) in a Rio favela. Coincidentally, they showed it on Channel 19 (Globo TV) yesterday here in Brazil, just a couple of hours after I made it back from a favela tour. But more on that in a separate post.
EA
Hoof Hunter
04-05-06, 01:42
If you have The Sundance Channel (Cable/Satellite TV - premium channel), at 9:00 pm on Tuesday 4/4 (tonight), they are showing a TV series that appears based on Walter Salles' City of God movie.
http://www.sundancechannel.com/home/?package_id=8973&video_id=
Wanderer1000
04-05-06, 03:31
When I was checking out of my apartment on Saturday afternoon, I was talking with Kenn (he's lived in Rio for five years) about the crime. He said that the corner of Miguel Lemos and Avenida Atlantica (that has been mentioned here several times in the last few days as the scene of recent crimes) is the highest spot in Rio for muggings and thefts. It's why I no longer stay in apartments in this area. He said the cops often won't do anything, and the people that work in the restaurant a block back will often just watch the muggings and intimidations at night with amusement. He said not to count on people helping you out - sometimes they will, but more often than not, you're on your own.
I spent a month at the apartment at this corner several years ago. I'm a big guy and pretty cautious, so I didn't get mugged. But I always felt like anything could happen - it's just the energy around there.
OK, Copa certainly has an edge to it, but if it was South Beach, you would have 1000 mongers vs. a few hundred in Help. So, in one sense we get rewarded for putting up with the shit here. It keeps the supply greater than the demand.
As I have said before, i have not had any problems, in 7 months, but I am very cautious now, although I do catch myself not on guard when I use my cell phone and could easliy get it knocked from my hands, sometimes. Other times I guard it tightly when dialing. It is hard to stay at level RED 24/7. If I had to do that , I would leave here. It is not South Africa ( now, that is a very dangerous place, every nice house has razor wire, electric fence and a dog) so compared to Johanesburg or Durban, this is mild. I see bars on the windows, but not electric fences, razor wire and dogs. True story about Durban, the criminals put something in the airconditioning unit, some type of gas, and put the whole building to sleep for the night, robbed the whole condo tower in one night. Now those are real criminals.
I will also add, I do not drink very much, if you are drunk, you could be in trouble.
Just be alert and take cabs at night, it will help reduce the chances of opportunity. Mostly, just be alert and you will be OK. During the day, I have been all over Rio, no problems, ever. The metro is about as safe as you can get in Rio, very nice, fast, cheap and efficient.
The whole city is not crazy, crime just appears in pockets once in a while. And a fucking worthless police force does not help.
OK, now back to girls. Two nights to go before leaving, so I had a double at my apartment. 2 girls , 1.5 hours, R$200, Muito Bem. Included a four hand massage for 30 minutes.
IBZ
for r$20,000 she better have a box made of chocolate, [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) whipped cream, and [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) strawberries. ok, then maybe.
and your right, i am not sure it is for the night.
ibz
i think you misted the part on there webpage that said that they also had an exclusive portfolio with prices up to r$20000.
got this from a google translation of the website.
we have an exclusive portfolio for customers special with models of tv and magazines, with cachês that varies between two a thousand and twenty a thousand reals.
r$20000 a night?
now that what i call expensive.
ps. where does it say that the price is for a night?
Karma Police
04-05-06, 07:33
here is my march 2006 trip report, with illustrations attached in the photo gallery (i am also posting this report on the other forum).
we booked our apartment from rioapartments http://www.rioapartments.se/ and it was a fairly good experience. the guy spoke good english and was fairly helpful, the place was in copacabana with a side view of the beach. for anyone interested, byron leftwich rented an apartment from these guys two years ago and spread the word to his colleagues. since then about 20 nfl players have rented from them, including terrell owens not too long ago.
a note on safety: it felt very safe the whole time, and a couple times we even walked home at night from help along avenida atlantica, however i heard many first hand horror stories (from other gringos, as well as from working girls). thus, despite it feeling safe, you should probably take every precaution, including taking cabs from help even if it is only a few blocks.
day 1 (saturday): got to rio in the afternoon, took a nap, ate, then decided to call escorts around 6pm. i think right now escorts are the best bang for the buck in rio, especially if you have the face book. unfortunately many of the girls are often unavailable so sometimes you have to take what you can get. we tried calling karlamodels several times but it was consistently busy and we gave up.
we called cia plus (2522-6500) instead and the receptionist spoke surprisingly good english. my friend asked for a thin blonde girl and got very lucky with his selection: tall, skinny 19 year old black girl with blonde hair (i believe it was bruna but i am not positive). i asked for mel (see my pics and http://www.ciaplus.com/mel.htm ), whose pictures i saw online. she is a bit thick, as you can see from the pictures, but not fat, and has great curves and gigantic tits. her face is about average. mel is 25, has a baby, speaks no english, and does not like kissing. she gave good bbbj (no cim) followed by sex in various positions. the sex was decent and the anal was pretty good (considering i am not really an anal fan). the girls were 100r each, with an additional 20r taxi charge for the two of them. these girls also demanded money upfront (karlas did not) which put us off a bit since all the forums say to pay after; however the girls did a good job and money upfront did not turn out to be a problem.
later that night we went to melt, a bar/disco in ipanema (20r cover charge). despite there being too many tourists there, it started out pretty good, with a great ratio and excellent dance music. notwithstanding the ratio, we kept striking out with the chicas. after midnight it got uncomfortably packed and i insisted on leaving. we had some beers at the restaurant in front of help but saw nothing we liked and went home.
day 2 (sunday): we woke up late and after grabbing a late lunch headed to a terma around 3pm. bononia was closed so we went to l’uomos. for the newbies, l’uomos is in the 2nd level of a mall. the selection was ok, with lots of decent looking girls but no stunners. my friend asked which girls spoke english and got hooked up with one that spoke pretty well. i was more superficial and made my choice based on looks alone. i picked dara (see my pics), a 19 yo, petite, tan girl with nice real breasts covered by a small bikini with signs of the red cross (or if you prefer the inverted swiss flag). as is typical in the termas, we had a great make out session in the boitte, then off for one hour in the room. alas, she wasn’t quite as hot in the room as she looked in the boitte; this is a common phenomenon so you must be very careful when picking your girl. she refused anal but otherwise good sex in various positions (although she did tell me she was completa in the boitte). total damage 300r. an interesting note: if you get there early and stand by the escalators you can actually see girls show up for work in their street clothes; they enter l’uomos through the back door.
after some afternoon rest we got dinner and went to shannanigans (an irish pub). we were hoping to catch some march madness but no such luck. the place was fairly empty (it was a sunday night after all) but we did chat up a couple of brazilian chicks who spoke good english; unfortunately chatting was as far as we got so it was time to rectify this at help.
help wasn’t very crowded but i saw a girl i liked early on. lia was dancing near the entrance, she is a 20 yo platinum blonde with a nice body and large breasts. i forgot to take pictures but you can recognize her by braces on her lower (but not upper) teeth. she spoke passable english and was a very sweet girl, possibly my favorite of the trip, so treat her well. she quoted 300r but we agreed on 200r+20r taxi money for her to stay until 5:30am. as usual, dfk, bbbj, sex (did not ask for anal). she says she goes to help every night but claims to only go with guys she likes, or guys that pay her significantly more (that means she likes me, she really, really likes me!). i got her number and wanted to take her to go to a regular club later in the week but never got around to it. i did see her at help dancing with another guy later in the week. i was so jealous i went home and started crying (just kidding).
day 3 (monday): we spent most of the day on the beach as this was the first time rio actually got some sun. hooker beach had few hookers but lots of americans, they should rename it american beach. around 6pm, after the sun turned my forehead red (yes, if you haven’t figured it out yet, i am a honkey), we went home and called karlamodels http://www.karlamodels.net/principal.html (2502-4290). the receptionist spoke very poor english and many of the girls were not available. my friend was luckier than me. he got layla betley, a dark girl with a nice body and a pretty face. i got taissa medeiros, an indian (feather, not dot) girl with a fat ass who looks great on the website but not quite as good in real life (see my pics). not ugly, but i would have gladly taken layla. as usual, dfk, bbbj, sex in various positions (did not ask for anal). taissa said she prefers girls to guys and that one of the girls at karlas (forget which one, but she is black) is the love of her life, so those two may be a good dupla choice. as with most escorts, she spoke no english. apparently all the girls actually live at the escort agency and are on call for all but 2 hours during the day, 5 days a week. a girl will have about 3-5 clients in a day. also, i asked about angelica ramon (i really liked her pictures from the forum) but apparently she’s now pregnant and not working. total damage, 100r for girl + 20r for cab.
day 4 (tuesday): this was by far the hottest and sunniest day of the trip; would have been nice to spend it on the beach but we decided to wake up early and tour centro. after a long walking tour we were in need some rest at 4x4. by the way, we were completely unaware of any police crackdowns. 4x4 has nice selection at very reasonable prices, though our experience with termas was limited on this trip. i think as of today (given the exchange rate and other factors), this is the best terma out there. we got here just before 3pm and sat around watching girls for about an hour. since it wasn’t busy yet, the girls weren’t being active, just sitting around. finally i decided to walk around in order to get a better look at the girls and sara caught my eye: tiny white skirt, awesome fake tits, long blonde hair, total porn star look (see my pics). she had an older, but very pretty face (i guessed about 30). i almost fell over when she told me she is 36 and has a 20 yo son (who has no job and mooches off the mom) and a 18 yo daughter (i think i’d give up my pinky for that dupla). they should put sara’s picture next to milf in the dictionary, and given brazil’s culture, she’s likely to be a gilf shortly (if she isn’t one already). not much english but she did live in germany for four months so probably knows some deutch (claimed she wasn’t working, i don’t believe that). anyways, making out in the boitte, then to a room for an hour, bbbj, sex in various positions, then came on her face (although due to the way we were positioned, more of it ended up on me than her, including my own face, pretty gross actually). don’t forget to take a girl before 5pm to wave the entrance fee; total damage 170r. as we were leaving it was getting pretty busy, more girls and a lot more guys.
after resting up, we decided to go to help early today and came in around 11pm. the place was pretty empty until about 1 am. i found out you can’t use drink tickets from the night before since they use different colors every night, always trying to rip off the gringos. eventually my friend started talking to a very young looking (actually 22 yo) skinny bleach blonde. she had a cute friend (who i ended up with later), but i wanted to look around on my own for a while. i spent about 30 minutes talking to and dancing with a very light skinned black girl with large fake breasts and eventually she quoted me a price of 300r (not sure for short or long time). she would not budge for any amount of bargaining; her best offer was 250r for 1 pop, so i told her no thanks and moved on. a very hot blonde in a fatigue colored dress who looked like she belonged at an ohio state frat party quoted me 200r for one shot; i am not a short time fan so i declined but she was very cute and maybe i should have gone with her. as an aside, i think its helpful to get quotes from many girls (even if you’re not really interested), bargain with them, then reject them, as this will make them think their prices are too high and may lower prices across the board.
it was getting late and i decided to go back and talk to the friend of my friend’s girl. her name is mel (obviously different mel then from cia plus), she is tiny (5’1, 100lb), tan, with blonde streaks in brown hair. she has a bunch of tattoos (including 3 of tinkerbell) and piercings (see pictures). we agreed on 200r for 3 hours, quickly found my friend and his girl, and took a taxi back together. back in my room she claimed we agreed on 300r, not sure if i misunderstood her, or she was trying to cheat me, but this just emphasizes the point that we need to be very clear when agreeing on prices and services. i told her 200r or she could leave and we met in the middle at 230r. things went smoothly after that. great dfk and fantastic head with tongue ring (although she was the only girl in rio who insisted on cbj), then sex. her pussy was too tight for my liking and she didn’t want to use gel (hmm, maybe i shouldn’t have used the word smooth earlier). she is 23, has no kids, lives with her sister and two friends (who are all hairdressers, not prostitutes), and is of sicilian ancestry. i also got 45 minutes of hidden video but will not be sending it, so don’t ask.
day 5 (wednesday): got dinner at shannanigans (very good food, delicious potato skins but don’t get them with an entry, you’ll be too full), then went to melt which had a 30r cover charge to see 3 local rock bands. the shows kind of sucked so in time we found ourselves drinking in front of help. not too many girls there, but eventually my friend got a chick with fake tits and a fat, and i mean fat, ass. he said she was great in bed though.
i called over patricia, a light skinned, small black chica who reminded me of the girls on rap videos; we agreed on 230r (she speaks no english). she was quite an experience. according to her she is a single parent as her husband died from a heart attack. she used to work in a bank but it got robbed, she got beat up, and for some reason she can’t work there anymore; she also used to work at a restaurant but for some reason can’t work there either. she has been working at help for the last two months to cover her and her kid’s medical bills. next week it is her kid’s birthday but she has no money for presents. she really likes me and will be sad all day tomorrow because she won’t see me. all of these heartrending stories were accompanied by some very explicit (i.e. asking for my mp3 player) and some more covert begging for presents. while of course i did not give in, i must admit, whether true or not (probably the later), she did a good job of selling these stories and this really gave me insight into how a gdp operates. despite the nagging, patricia was very nice and the experience was quite enjoyable. she was also a total freak in bed. for example, she kept insisting i fuck her in the ass (although it was too tight and i didn’t really like it). after i came for the first time, she kept grinding so much that the condom came out inside of her (don’t lecture me on safety, i washed myself and her, everything seemed fine, and of course i will be getting tested). unfortunately i did not take pictures and the description of her appearance is pretty vague, but if you run into her, i promise you a wild night. she ended up staying until 10am even though we agreed on 6am, but she did force me to give her a t-shirt so she wouldn’t look like a **** while walking down the street. by the way, i speak no spanish or portuguese, so all of my conversation with chicas is done using hand signals and my limited vocabulary of about 30 words.
day 6 (thursday): we slept in after the late night, and upon waking up, we heard a gentle voice from 4x4 … it said come here. around 3pm 4x4 seemed even emptier than tuesday but picked up a bit by 4pm. i talked to sara again and had her introduce me to ohana, a 23 yo with jet black hair and large fake tits. for some reason sara and ohana had assumed i only liked blondes. as before, dfk in the boitte followed by an hour of bbbj and sex in the room. i took pictures but she asked me not to put them on the internet. ohana told me she had lived in italy with a boyfriend for a few months but they broke up and now she’s back at 4x4. she only works 3 days a week and likes 4x4 because she can have the weekends off. on work days she will typically do between 5 and 7 guys. i didn’t think that was possible since so much time is spent talking to clients in the boitte, but apparently later in the day it gets so busy that there is no talking involved, its wham bam thank you mam, and onto the next customer. she’s very proud that she can afford to rent a copacobana apartment for just herself and her 3 yo son, she has already paid off her car, and plans on quitting 4x4 in about a year when she saves more money (seems like a very ambitious girl). she goes out a lot and said for regular girls club 6 is good on friday nights and bunker on saturday nights; bombar is also good. she gave me her phone number and said we should meet up at club 6 on friday, we actually did go there friday (more on that later) but i didn’t end up calling her.
we ate at an italian restaurant (the name of the place escapes me, but its 3 doors away from baronetti, its usually pretty empty but the food is delicious), then wanted to go to baronetti. we were completely shocked to find out that the cover charge tonight is 120r because some famous dj is playing there. f* that! i don’t see them drawing too many people at that price, but if they can do it, more power to them. got to bunker around 11pm and had some 40oz outside since the place doesn’t open until midnight. the crowd looked really young so we left for shananigans. after more drinking there we run into the non-pro girls we met on sunday night, have more drinks with them until closing time, then they take us to some very local bar (if you want a very local, late night experience, come here, its at the corner of rua maria quiteria and rua prudente de morais in ipanema). things are going well until… they decided to ditch us after 20 minutes. there’s no joy in rio - the mighty casey has struck out. at this point i’m drunk and just want to go home, but my friend insists on drinking outside of help.
well, so far my trip was coming along very nicely, but i was bound to hit a few bumps in the road and tonight would be the night. it was my friend that should have gotten a girl tonight, but it was i who got one. she was medium height, nice tight body with large tits in a tight fitting red dress (i should have known she was the devil), shoulder length brown hair, braces and a cute face. her name is elena and she’s 30, run if you see her, or better yet, waste an hour of her time, then run (i’ll be very grateful). we agreed on 2 pops for 270r. at my place we start having sex but i’m drunk and after a few minutes my dick decides it needs a break (she wasn’t doing much to convince him otherwise). she starts telling me that its my fault not hers, blah, blah, blah (not exactly what i want to hear right now). fine whatever, lets rest a bit, then try again; we did say 2 pops after all. after about 20 minutes of whining she gives it 3 unenthusiastic licks and tells me i can’t have sex tonight. i told her that’s fine, i’ll pay her half since we had sex once and she can go. she starts throwing a fit, screaming, dialing the police on her phone. she was probably bluffing, but i decided not to risk it, gave her the money and had her leave. she even had the never to grab candy off my table on the way out! don’t give her anymore business! anyways, that was my only bad experience of the trip, and if that’s the worst that goes wrong on a rio vacation than i’m a happy camper.
day 7 (friday): i am woken up around noon by a knock on the door. through the peephole she looks way too cute to be the maid. we have a very awkward interaction for the next 30 seconds until i realize my friend must have called an escort and not heard the door. that traitor called karlamodels without consulting me first! don’t remember which girl it was, maybe milene or lais, but she had very nice tits. i didn’t want to feel left out so i had her call me two more girls for a dupla (see pics). the first was suelle miller, a 21 yo skinny, dark girl with braces who looks very good in the picture book, didn’t look good when she showed up with her clothes on, but looked better with her clothes off (usually it works the other way around). the other was heloisa barros, a 22 yo blonde with a tight body who does not look like her pictures, but i like her face better in real life (only problem is she’s got what looks like some scarring from old acne, but i think she’s very pretty nevertheless). what can i say, they did a great job at fucking me and each other; they let me take video but i will not be sharing it. i noticed most of the girls try to stay very clean, always shower and make me shower between shots, make me switch condoms when i switch holes or girls; this is somewhat annoying but probably good in the long run since it decreases the chance of disease. total damage: 240r for the dupla.
at night we went to club 6 in centro. there was a huge line outside and vendors sell you beer and even liquor while you’re waiting in line. after not moving for 20 minutes in line, we negotiated with the bouncer and paid him 50r to get the two of us ahead of the line (he seemed very happy and would have probably taken less). the cover charge was 30r plus another 30r drink minimum, which seems surprisingly high since most people were lower and middle class locals (saw only one other tourist, if you read this, thanks for translating ice to the bartender buddy); it’s a very large club so they must make a lot of money. the ratio was about 50/50 and the crowd was 18-30, with more of the crowd being on the younger end. its true that brazilians start making out with each other after about 2 minutes of conversation, but if you’re not a local its not so easy. i think to be successful in this scene you have to be young, good looking, speak portuguese, and be a good dancer; your chances decrease in proportion with those qualities. i am in my 20’s, average looking, speak no portuguese, and my dance style can best be described as awkward white boy, so we were striking out quite a bit. however towards the end of the night i got lucky and started dancing with a cute 20 yo brazilian who spoke good english, i followed the example of other brazilians and we were soon making out. later i got even luckier with a 32 yo brazilian (she had a great body for 32 yo) who ended up coming home with me. i kept waiting for her to ask me for money but she never did, i guess she was just horny. i think my results were quite atypical so come here at your own risk.
day 8 (saturday): woke up at 11am, kissed my girl goodbye (love that morning sex) and took a cab to the airport for one more day of fun in sao paulo. the p4p girls are supposedly hotter here than rio, but the city is very spread out and cabs are quite expensive. our hotel was near the airport and we took a 45 minute, 90r cab ride to the other side of town to some club called connection (next time maybe just ask your cabbie about any clubs near by). connection was great, felt much more like a u.s. strip club than a terma, no need to change into a robe, many people just come there to chill and have drinks. there is no cover charge but they do have a 60r minimum spending limit, however since one hour with a girl costs 220r, the minimum is not a problem. one of the waiters spoke english and was very helpful. the rooms are also better than a terma, a standard room is much bigger and comes with a hot tub. apparently at many other clubs you have to negotiate your price with girls but i hate negotiation so this was better for me.
here i slept with probably the hottest girl of the trip. her name was bianda (or something similar sounding), she was a 23 yo blonde of italian heritage, with fake tits, a ridiculous body, and a decent face (see pics). could easily have been a top notch porn star, or be one of the top girls at any u.s. strip club or any rio terma. she was great in bed (pse during sex, gfe after sex). saturday is apparently the worst night of the week, good chance i was her only customer all night long, i’m kind of surprised she doesn’t move to rio. she was probably one of the top two girls there tonight, i suspect on busier nights the place has more stunners.
day 9 (sunday): woke up at 6am to come back to the sex prison, can’t wait to go back.
I don't even have time to read all the good info posted here recently. At the moment I am in the Internet cafe at Nossa Senora de Copa. and Francisco Ca. It is the only one I have found that allows you to do all you need to and pay at the end. I'm staying in Ipanema. There is a great bookstore on the corner of Visconde de Piraja and Vinicious. On the first floor, there is a music section with a good selection , and a cute little thing named Roberta, who I am going to ask to go for cafe this afternoon. she is very smart, very cool. Sort of nerdy, but I think she is sorta sexy. Upstairs is a cafe/restaurant. There is a nasty little ***** up there, whom I have begun to ignore. For 5 or 10 R you get a card for 30 min. But you can't add them together, and you loose whatever you are doing if time expires. Same thing at the hotel(Sol Ipanema). Also the keyboards suck at those other places. Upstairs, they have live music every night, and I think it must be good, because it is always packed. Might go before I leave.
The porn store (A-2) next to Galito's has internet, but isn't working. I wanted a place to check the escort sites in peace. Oh, BTW, Galito's is a great place to get a grilled chicken dinner. It's on the corner of "Piraja" a block down from R. Vinicious. It's open late. I ate there at 2 the other night(morning).
I called Ciaplus yest noon. Asked for someone I had a photo of. Doesn't work there anymore. I had a long detailed discussion with the woman, describing what I wanted. 10 came, and no show. I called at 10:30 to find "she isn't feeling well". I was leery of the whole thing because the woman seemed a bit off. I had to ask her if she wanted the name of the hotel.
So I bolted for Centaurus (for my first time in 3 years of coming here....
I think I have given up on the escort thing altogether here. (Although it's another story in Sao Paulo and Porto Alegre)...
Oh, almost forgot...I did an outcall with this supposedly high end agency before I left for Fortaleza. "Rio fantasy". It was not a good experience. And I won't repeat.
El Austriaco
04-05-06, 17:59
I think you misted the part on there webpage that said that they also had an exclusive portfolio with prices up to R$20000.
You´re absolutely right, Frankols. Looks like a job for Ghengis Khan to me. Didn´t he say he would be in Rio shortly? Ghengis, we need you to check this one out. Please?
EA
Great report. For your first trip to Rio I think you did outstanding.
A Tip: If your friend calls an escort without consulting you, you simply grab the girl, drag her to your room, do the deed, send her away, then knock on his door and say ~thanks~
I haven't done Centaurus because of all the talk here on the forum about the chicas being rather merceinary. And the management being nasty.
One difference is that you pay like 310R up front. It includes the cabine, and the girl. The drinks are extra. There is a sitting area with about 20 garotas. Two of them hooked onto me and escorted me to my locker. They wouldn't allow me to undress myself. Eventually they escorted me into the boate, upstairs. What I saw was incredible! There were about 50 chicas. There were probably 10 "10's", and a number of 8's and 9's. The best stock I have ever seen in a terma in my 3 years here. After a cig. and half a beer, I told my girls that I was headed to the sauna. And no, I made it clear I wasn't buying them a drink.
When I returned, unfettered, It was incrredible. Those two came up to me and I told them frankly, that I wanted to choose for myself.
I noticed the "dona"checking everything out. I went up to her, and said that she looked like someone important here. We had a chat, and we're on good terms. I also shmoozed with the front desk folks a bit. I think they do try every trick to take advantage of foreigners. But if you stand your ground, and do it nicely, they leave you alone a bit. I think, like everywhere else here, they respect that. You are the Man, BE the Man.
Tonight I think I will just tell the "pool girls"to go away from the very begining. I have a feeling that the girls waiting downstairs are on some sort of trial. If they get enough customers to go with them, they get promoted to upstairs.
The üpstairs girls"can come to work anytime they want, as long as it's before 7 p.m. After that they can't get in for that night. But that makes it perfect for hooking up with one of them mid-day. Something I like to do...
They have really good live music. Guitar/samba. One of the most incredible bodybuilders I have ever seen (5'8", pretty face, cut and ready for competition). She actually joined the guy for a duet, and had an awesome voice.
They also have 5 monitors above the bar showing everything from Formula 1 racing, to CNN. There is plenty of room and the volume is acceptable for a nice conversation. These girls are another level altogether!
Before I could decide between the 4 or 5 I had mentally choosen, this awesomely beautiful honey came to me. Petite( not usually my style). Long dark hair, darl eyes and porcelain skin (that had been well tanned). No tits, but a nice bum, for her "model". We had great sex (but no repeat because of the covered oral). She gave her number and asked for a call. This is someone that would come to the hotel, and they would just think she was checking in. Very elegant and stylish. THIS is what I've been looking for.
Before going to the room, the management tried every trick in the book to get me to go for the luxury suite. Every time, I insisted that I was only going for the standard room (no extra charge). Eventually they gave up (with a smile). I heard one of them say "he's very well educated". HELL YEAH!, I've been reading this forum for 3 years!!!, and they can't speak too fast for me anymore!
I am going back tonight. There were at least 6 of them I HAVE to do before I go. I'll do my best.
But I can't get the girl I met in Fortaleza last weekend. She has already sent a couple e-mails. I even considered breaking off the last part of the trip to go down to Porto Alegre to spend some time with her. She's a damn pharmacist. May be some potential with this one.
My total was 325R plus another 160R. Not a hell of a lot more than I do at the other termas, but the quality is unmatched. )Well, maybe 4x4 is a close 2nd. and Monte Carlo on a good night would be my choice for 3rd.)...
Went there day before yest. Went to meet the honey who has been coming to my place for sex/and beach before work. She has a little present for me.
I was blown away with the talent there that night. There were at least 3 superstars. They were available. But one of my friends (Fabiola) hooked me quick. She has been working out lately, and the abs, and bunda show it. Before I knew it I was in a room with Fabiola and Juliane at the same time. We did some things in that room we probably shouldn't have. Actually almost got in trouble. It was some of the most fun I had ever had!!!
I need to get back there because there are a couple I need to interview. The only problem willl be avoiding the 5 or 6 I have become somewhat regular with, over the years, one of whom I haven't done yet this trip. And the puppy dog eyes are killing me everytime I go with someone else.
I don't seem to have these sort of problems back home in "sunny california". Just a girl I've been "dating"for 3 mos., who won't have sex. I don't think she has a chance in hell after I get back from this!!!
El Austriaco
04-05-06, 18:52
Both in 2002 and 2004, I had considered doing the favela tours advertised by a number of companies in Rio de Janeiro. In 2002, time prevented me from doing one as I only spent a couple of days there, and in 2004, after careful research and an onslaught of news reports about ongoing warfare between Rocinha and Vidigal, two adjacent favelas in the Zona Sul, I decided to hold off for the moment being. This year, since the overall situation seemed to be much calmer in Rocinha, I decided to take the plunge with Marcelo Armstrong’s outfit, the original organizer of favela tours (http://www.favelatour.com.br/rio_de_janeiro_tours.htm, phone number 055 (21) 3322-2727, cell phone 55 (21) 9989-0074/ 9772-1133.
Tour cost was R$ 75.00, set up by the front-desk of my hotel. The tour is held twice a day, one starting at 9:00 AM, the other at 02:00 PM. I had booked the morning one, but Marcelo called my hotel at 08:00 AM to cancel for a lack of participants and wanted to include me in the afternoon. No problem with me. The tour was done in a minivan and conducted entirely in English. The tour guide’s English (Fernando) was good.
During this three-hour tour, you will visit two different favelas: Rocinha, considered the largest favela in South America with its estimated 180,000 residents, and Vila Canoas, much smaller with about 2,000 people living there. Both are located in close proximity of each other, with Rocinha stretching from Gávea all the way over the hill down to São Conrado. Vila Canoas is located more towards the Pedra da Gávea end of São Conrado, just past one of the most exclusive golf courses in Rio de Janeiro. You will spend about an hour in each, the rest is spent getting you and the other participants to and from your Zona Sul hotels. The first stop is in Rocinha, which you enter on the road up to the American school in Gávea. You will stop three times within Rocinha: the first time to look at (and hopefully buy) some local artwork and take in the view over the Lagoa de Rodrigo Freitas, the second time to go to the top of a residential building on the other side of the hill for a view of the Morro Dois Irmãos and Rocinha stretching all the way down to the exclusive residential buildings of São Conrado, and one last time on the main street of Rocinha to buy snacks. In Vila Canoas, you will actually enter the favela by foot and walk through its narrow streets, and you will visit the local school, Para Ti, which is partially funded by money generated through these tours. Throughout this time, the guide will roughly explain the history of favelas and their political/ economic context. I am sure that many will be surprised that a favela like Rocinha, for example, is NOT the lawless open-air crime scene as which official authorities in Rio try to portray it. As a matter of fact, favelas like Rocinha and Vila Canoas have a decidedly working-class feeling to them and might actually already be pushing middle class status. It sure is a fascinating glimpse into a world most Rio travelers never get to see.
Here's my quibble: a glimpse, for sure, but nothing more. Marcelo’s stated objective is to change the public perception of favelas, and as such, he succeeds. Still, while the explanations regarding favelas were true and accurate, I still felt they were incomplete. For example, while it is certainly true that, with drug lords running a tight ship here, a favela like Rocinha might quite possibly be safer for its residents than the asfalto below, I was seriously missing any information on how the same drug lords do enforce violations of their self-proclaimed laws (which might be a harsh reminder of the flip side of life that is ever so present in favelas, too). There was also NO information on how different criminal organizations engage in open warfare to secure control of neighboring favelas (something that has led to the cancellation of favela tours in the past, since in that case, nobody can assure your safety, whether favela tours are approved by the drug lords or not). Nothing was mentioned about the fact that both Rocinha and Vila Canoas might not be representative of favelas overall (with more than 600 favelas in Rio alone, and most of them located in the Zona Norte, there actually might be no such thing as a “representative” favela.) In other words, in the end, I felt that the presentation of favelas and role of drug rings in them was somewhat glossed over and romanticized. Something like a favela-light experience. But anyhow.
Also, during this tour, interaction with the locals was not exactly encouraged. In particular, while we were told that “we were very welcome there”, we were always advised to always ask for permission to take pictures of any single person in particular since “there were people around who sure didn’t want to be photographed by anyone”. I bet.
So should you do a favela tour? Absolutely. The panoramic views are stunning (e.g. from Vila Canoas, you have a fantastic view of Pedra da Gávea and the hang-gliding ramp at Pedra Bonita), and the social contrasts are just mind-blowing. From Rocinha, you directly look down on the rooftop swimming pools of some of the richest people in Rio, and in Vila Canoas, the entry into the favela is just across the street from buildings that could roughly be described as multi-million dollar homes in any US city. I can’t really imagine a more vivid reminder that the have´s and have-not’s in Rio are sometimes separated by much less than a stone’s throw. So for anyone with an interest beyond Rio pussy and beaches and with three hours to spare one morning or afternoon, I definitely recommend it.
One last thing that was confirmed during this tour: while this tour provides you with some basic information on the inner workings of favelas, it is definitely NOT safe to enter any favela on your own just to wander around and explore. Now, getting invited by someone living there is another story altogether. The night clerk at the hotel I am staying has been wanting to take me to a churrasco at his place for some time now, and he has been living in Rocinha for years. I’ll report back how it goes.
Will post pictures some other time.
EA
Exec Talent
04-05-06, 23:34
After resting up, we decided to go to Help early today and came in around 11pm. The place was pretty empty until about 1 am. I found out you can’t use drink tickets from the night before since they use different colors every night, always trying to rip off the gringos.
Actually you can trade those tickets in for current day tickets. To the right of the restrooms is the office. If you go back there you can exchange old tickets for the current day.
Frankols 70
04-06-06, 00:47
Ghengis Khan? Are we talking about the mongolian warlord or a member of thia site? It's a bit late in the night her so if this was insider joke I might have misted it.
Of course old Ghengis would probably fit in quite nice on this website. Being quite the ladies man.
You´re absolutely right, Frankols. Looks like a job for Ghengis Khan to me. Didn´t he say he would be in Rio shortly? Ghengis, we need you to check this one out. Please?
EA
Karma,
Thanks for the fantastic report - appreiciate the time you took to prepare and post it. The pictures are great too!
Cheers.
Thats a great report KP. I cant believe that Ohana is finally back!!! That girl is awesome, loves pics and can fuck like a porn star (As a matter of fact she is a porn star, she did 2 or 3 films) I Hope she is still around in May.
Thanks for a great report KP. It couldn't have come at a better time.
Does anybody know when the chicas (those without kids) start heading to Europe? I am guessing (hoping) that early May is still a little too soon for most of them to leave.
Karma Police
04-06-06, 07:07
Thats a great report KP. I cant believe that Ohana is finally back!!! That girl is awesome, loves pics and can fuck like a porn star (As a matter of fact she is a porn star, she did 2 or 3 films) I Hope she is still around in May.I would love to see her in films. Know any of the titles?
Exec Talent
04-06-06, 10:50
In the past, most of the girls waited until European summer to go, but due to the poor US exchange rate and caliber of Americans visiting recently, many have started spending more time in Europe all year long.
Cowboy Fan #1
04-06-06, 15:28
Is this the Ohana? If so lucky man!
In the past, most of the girls waited until European summer to go, but due to the poor US exchange rate and caliber of Americans visiting recently, many have started spending more time in Europe all year long.This doesn't make any sense to me for three reasons.
1) US mongers only make up a small % of the Brazilian sex industry. Obviously Rio will proportionately have more foreign mongers than other cities but even in Copa there are plenty of Europeans.
2) More pertinently the Real has strengthened against all currencies including the Euro. This would act as a discincentive for girls to go to Europe as they would be earning less in Real terms than in the past. IMO, there will always be girls who go to Europe for the higher fees there and the experience of travel including some who stay for good. I just don't think the recent trend in the exchange rate is the cause of them staying.
3) From a hooker's point of view "calibre" of clients would IMO depend mainly on
a) their behaviour i.e. whether "trashy" or "classy".
b) more importantly the amount they're willing to pay.
Logically most (but not all) Americans who would act trashy and pay less would be poorer rather wealthy. Surely these will be the first people to be deterred from going to Rio because of a less favourable exchange rate for the dollar against the real?
I would love to see her in films. Know any of the titles?Ass Obsessed with Nacho Vidal
Jake Steed's CUM FUCK THESE *****S OF COPACABANA #2
CHILI BUNS #3
Jake Steed's REAL RIO WHOES
Jake Steed's Beautiful Brazilian *****s #6
AMAZING BRAZILIAN BUTTS
Peter North's LATINA FEVER #4
BOOTY TALK #51
The Big Bubble Butt Brazilian Orgy 2
And to see her in action.......
http://hardcoregossip.com/brazilianbuttstgp.html
Exec Talent
04-06-06, 22:29
Ardgneas,
How much time have you spent in Rio lately? How well are you connected to termas, Help, street girls?
I just report what I see and am told. The exchange rate has resulted in some people staying away from Rio. Because of some of the people who are now coming to Rio, people who used to come (from all countries) no longer come here. The issue is demand and quality of those who make up the demand. The girls are finding it harder to meet the kind of guys with whom they want to spend time. If you, or anyone else, think that they will be with anyone who has money, then you just don't get it. Also, until the exchange rates reach parity, Europe will still be a better deal for them.
Karma Police
04-06-06, 22:56
Is this the Ohana? If so lucky man!Thats definitely her in the videos. I'm very excited I got to fuck a porn star! She said she's planning on quitting in about a year, so you should probably hurry over to 4x4 if you want a piece.
She was the only girl to insist I do not publish any of her photos on the internet. Thats really surprising now that I know she's been in videos and there are pictures of her available online.
El Austriaco
04-06-06, 23:08
The girls are finding it harder to meet the kind of guys with whom they want to spend time. If you, or anyone else, think that they will be with anyone who has money, then you just don't get it.
I think it´s rather that, because Brazil has clearly gotten more expensive over the past two years, there are less tourists, including less sex tourists... sorry, mongers, and those who still go are simply more careful about how they spend their money. Talked to two girls waiting for Help to open last Sunday, and when I asked them about how Carnaval was for them, one of them said "For some it was good, for others, not so good". When I inquired about why and mentioned the reported skyrocketing rates of Help garotas, both just laughed and said "What? R$ 500 TLN? More like R$ 150!!!"
So yes, IMHO, the girls are finding it harder to meet the kind of guys with whom they want to spend time. Free-spending guys who pay inflated rates all over the place.
I remember a situation last year: I was sitting in Terraço Atlântico, when a long-time Rio resident and fellow monger came over to me, and said "EA, please help me, talk some sense into this guy!" So we went over to his table, where a newbie monger was sitting with a girl. The guy actually was the son of another guy who was also sitting at the table, a guy I had gotten to know in 2004. The son said.. I wanna stay with this girl for a full week, 24/7... and she is asking me for 2100 Reais for the entire time? Isn´t that a great deal?"
Those are the guys the girls are looking for. Guys who, in addition to all that money, will spend big bucks to take them out, take them shopping...
No, I don´t think that they will be with anyone who has money, but IMHO, money plays a BIG role. Isn't there a reason they call it P4P, after all?
Maybe once I find the time, I'll tell the story of the monger I got to know in 2004, who was convinced that Rio just made him an "accidental playboy" and that Help was full of virgins who had spent their life just waiting for him.
EA
Is this the Ohana? If so lucky man!
Yep, thats her!!
This doesn't make any sense to me for three reasons.
1) US mongers only make up a small % of the Brazilian sex industry. Obviously Rio will proportionately have more foreign mongers than other cities but even in Copa there are plenty of Europeans.
2) More pertinently the Real has strengthened against all currencies including the Euro. This would act as a discincentive for girls to go to Europe as they would be earning less in Real terms than in the past. IMO, there will always be girls who go to Europe for the higher fees there and the experience of travel including some who stay for good. I just don't think the recent trend in the exchange rate is the cause of them staying.
3) From a hooker's point of view "calibre" of clients would IMO depend mainly on
a) their behaviour i.e. whether "trashy" or "classy".
b) more importantly the amount they're willing to pay.
Logically most (but not all) Americans who would act trashy and pay less would be poorer rather wealthy. Surely these will be the first people to be deterred from going to Rio because of a less favourable exchange rate for the dollar against the real?
This makes alot of sense.
I would like to add, that a GDP is much more concerned with getting paid than she is with who is paying.
I think that some of the mongers that make these irrational know it all assertions like ET lack self esteem to the extent that they are the perfect "marks" for the garota the uses the "you are special and different, unlike them game" to hook said marks mind.
Karma Police
04-07-06, 03:54
Oh yes and if you didn't see the pictures of these sluts online, you will say "I'm a real man and I will keep my word not to post the pictures".
They are *****S!!! ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT!!!I just read some of your posts and so many of them seem so negative and confrontational. Capital letters are akin to screaming in online etiquete (they also make text more difficult to read). Lighten up, have some fun, don't be so angry!
Member #4156
04-07-06, 04:13
I gotta give props to my man Carrib on this one. He did a very detailed report on her transformation from GDP to porn a while back.
Is this the Ohana? If so lucky man!
Exec Talent
04-07-06, 04:15
and you can be damn sure I will say it again. Some of you guys are the reason they invented lube. You assume because you are a loser, everyone else is. The other night I was sitting at a bar in the US with a buddy of mine. Plenty of seats yet this pretty young thing sits down right next to me bumps into me, excuses herself and proceeds to strike up a conversation. She made her intentions pretty clear and I made it pretty clear that I have a girlfriend. My buddy remarked that that always happens to me. In fact, it happened again tonight.
I have seen enough of you guys in Rio to know many of you don't even get a warm look in the US. Am I talking about everyone? No. I have met some very charming, witty guys who do well in Rio and just as well in the US. The reason that they do well is that they get "it."
Go ahead. Think that all the girls care about is money. Go ahead. Think that they treat everyone the same and that everyone pays the same. Really doesn't matter to me. What does matter to me is that guys treat women with respect. Guys who do so because it is the right thing to do, get treated so much better by women and will pay less. But, go ahead “Double,” be a jerk. If it wasn’t for guys like you, the nice guys wouldn’t stand out so much.
“Dollars” as for posting pictures, I have only posted one identifiable picture of a girl without her permission and that was as a warning to fellow members. Real men keep their word, and unlike Rio Bob, they don’t get a girl pregnant and deny any responsibility.
Went back tonight. I was a bit tired because one of my honnies from MC came over with a "little presente", and her non-pro friend. They hung out through my nap time; partying. I wanted to save myself for tonight, when I was planning to score one of those honies I couldn´t get to last time.
But this time, the whole thing sorta sucked.
I told the guy up front, when I paid, that I wished no "escort" into the club. Nuff said...
But while changing, a super beautiful "falsa magra" ( thin, but with some meat, and a bit of bunda)hooked onto me. Didn´t mind much.
But I should have known...she wasn´t very heated while we hung out. And the performance was only satisfactory, at best. Although a "room and girl" are included in the admission price, you have to fight with them to do just the 40 min. session that is included. They press hard to do an hour, or a better room (with bathroom/shower). Both of these options add ANOTHER 180R, or so. She seemed in a hurry to "book" a room, because it was "very busy".
Also, we had to wait like 40 min. for a room! Everything seemed hurried and pushy. And you have to wait in the "Relax" room, where the phone is. Hell, if I´m waitin, I want to check out the scene.
After the session, I told her I would be back in the club, but that I wanted to hang "sozinho". Whle I was sizing up another, she had the nerve to ask me to buy her a sandwitch! MAYBE!, if the service was memorable. It wasn´t. And some other one came over to me dancing, and wouldn´t let me take my hands off her. I just wanted to sit for a few minutes. I had to tell her in no unceertain terms, "go the hell away". I even think she asked for something, or other. Once again "NO!".
I think I´m headed back to Monte Carlo tomorrow, and perhaps 4x4 mid-afternoon. I´m starting to feel the crunck. I´ve only got 2 more days to do all the fucking that I WON´T be doing once I get home to "sunny california".
But I know at least, that there will be a total freak-a-thon with my main girl sat. afternoon, before I have to go. Maybe have her bring her quiet friend again, with the enormous tits...and incredible ass. I´m feeling a bit spoiled. I´m hesitating because she is pretty young ( 19) and is a bit shy. But the last time all 3 of us went at it, she was a FREAK! Unless, of course, I find something exceptional in the meantime.
I´m really not sure the hassle, and extra charges at Centaurus valem.
The girl from 2 d ago came to me in the locker room, on my way out to ask why I didn´t call her to come over during the day. Then, she asked for a "present". GEEZE!...ya gotta be kiddin!
"Maybe once I find the time, I'll tell the story of the monger I got to know in 2004, who was convinced that Rio just made him an "accidental playboy" and that Help was full of virgins who had spent their life just waiting for him."
Now this is a story that I would love to hear. I think that it may help to sober up some of the "Playboys" the frequent the board.
Bambino - you do realise you can just pay the entrance (R90) on the way in and not the full R310.?
I told the guy up front, when I paid, that I wished no "escort" into the club. Nuff said...
But while changing, a super beautiful "falsa magra" ( thin, but with some meat, and a bit of bunda)hooked onto me. Didn´t mind much.
!
Yes, they can be tenacious. I was always intercepted on the way to the locker-room. To get rid of the garota, I would stop, look directly at her, and state (in Portuguese) that I was not interested in assistance or company. Rarely did I repeat myself. No experience being approached in the locker room.
Oh yes and if you didn't see the pictures of these sluts online, you will say "I'm a real man and I will keep my word not to post the pictures".
They are *****S!!! ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT!!!
Yes, they are wh**es, and they still deserves to be respected. If a girl specifically asks not to have her photo "published" on the web you should respect that.
... The issue is demand and quality of those who make up the demand. The girls are finding it harder to meet the kind of guys with whom they want to spend time.
I agree that you get a better treatment and lower price if you manage to charm the girl and treat her well.
ET, enlighten me. What is the "quality-guy" that the pro's look for?
1. Guys who overpays them, brings them to fancy restaurants and goes shopping with them. Guys who believe the girls when they tell them that he is a special guy. A true love. That the girl will stop wh**ing if he sends her money when he got back home.
2. Guys who has a incredible charm, gives them multiple orgasms and maybe pays shit.
Jackson, the owner of this site, has stated the following from here.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-forumrules.php
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"Banned Words
The words "W***s", "B***es" and "C**t" are not allowed because these words are commonly used to denigrate women, and that's not what this website is all about."
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Like Bambino, I was at Centaurus yesterday evening (Thursday), and had a different experience.
A little background first. I arrived in Rio yesterday morning from the States, via Dallas on AA. This time I flew in via Sao Paulo, which I liked for a couple of different reasons. First I took advantage of an incredible chair/back massage on my layover in Sampa. 20 minutes for 35 reals, and it was totally worth it. Probably the best 35 reals I’ve ever spent. By the time I boarded a nearly empty 777 for the 45 minute flight into Rio I was totally relaxed, recharged and fired up for my trip. Second there was almost no line or crowd in the passport control area, nor in the baggage claim area, which, as you know, can get pretty crowded. Next traffic into Rio was non-existent, which made it a 22 minute breeze into Rio. We touched down at 11:25 and I made it to my apartment in Copa (an apartment in Copa from Bobby & Renato at Blame it on Rio) by 12:20pm. Shopped for water & Skols and was on the beach at Posto 9 by 1pm. It was a beautiful day, and despite the weather guessers at Yahoo Weather calling for thunderstorms, it was sunny all day. Went swimming and fought a vicious and unexpected undertow for a few minutes. I was surprised that the warning flags weren’t out – if I’d been drinking, it may have been game over time.
(As an aside, I’m watching BBC World while writing this. They are reporting that Lula’s coalition government is falling apart, with their finance minister quitting just last week….interesting…)
This is my 4th trip to Rio and I’ve been to Centaurus every trip. I’ve also hit all of the other major Rio Sul and Centro Termas during my past trips – including the hidden gem Cancun -- which I’ll write about after my visit later this afternoon.
I know that Centaurus evokes strong feelings from people. They’re kind of like the NY Yankees of termas, and I hate the fucking Yankees; they’re hard to ignore due to the sheer mass of talent. I arrived at 5pm and paid the 310r up front as I knew there was no way I wouldn’t be getting laid. I don’t really have a problem with this, quite frankly, though most of the time I only pay the 90 reals on principal just in case there is a lack of talent -- though there never is. Centaurus is one of the few termas I’ve never left without getting laid. When I know I want to fuck a model, I come to Centaurus. After hanging out and working a Caipirinha, I hooked up with a beautiful natural blonde named Julia. Blondes aren’t normally my type, but she was unbelievable. A solid 10 in every way!! She was friendly without seeming phony, affectionate without being overaggressive and with a killer smile and perfect teeth. Jesus, a girl like this in the states will set you back 1K, in SF, LA or NYC. After much making out and groping we decide to hit it. Since it was still uncrowded at 5:45, we got a small room without waiting (or upselling!!!) and went at it for the full 40. She was fantastic!! Sometimes a girl will turn from a 10 into a 7 once you get her upstairs. But she was absolutely flawless. Perfect skin, grooming…. everything. And she fucked me like only a Carioca can. A true GFE -- BBBJ, DFK, but no anal, which, quite frankly, I didn’t want anyway. Afterwards, she cleaned me up, wiped the sweat off my forehead, kissed me on the cheek and left to clean up and change. I stumbled downstairs for a shower/sauna/shower. Then back up for a cold Skol and a sandwich.
I realize plenty of people hate this place, and that’s fine with me. Boycott Centaurus? Sure, no problem on that count either. If that thins out the crowds that admittedly decend here later in the evening, then it’s all good. More room for me. I fucking love this place!
Tonight Termas Cancun, and a follow up report tomorrow. This will be my second visit, and I hope it's as good as the first time.
and you can be damn sure I will say it again. Some of you guys are the reason they invented lube. You assume because you are a loser, everyone else is. The other night I was sitting at a bar in the US with a buddy of mine. Plenty of seats yet this pretty young thing sits down right next to me bumps into me, excuses herself and proceeds to strike up a conversation. She made her intentions pretty clear and I made it pretty clear that I have a girlfriend. My buddy remarked that that always happens to me. In fact, it happened again tonight.
I have seen enough of you guys in Rio to know many of you don't even get a warm look in the US. Am I talking about everyone? No. I have met some very charming, witty guys who do well in Rio and just as well in the US. The reason that they do well is that they get "it."
Real men keep their word, and unlike Rio Bob, they don’t get a girl pregnant and deny any responsibility.
ET, I almost forgot how great you are on all levels, thanks for posting another one of these types of stories to remind us all. You have even added that you are honorable, turning down that nice young girl who flirted with you at the bar because you have a girlfriend, very impressive, do you do this to the GDP's in Rio too? Do you tell them I can't pay you to have sex with you because I have a girlfriend?
And I don't understand your mention of me about getting a girl pregnant and denying responsibility? Do you know something about my past that I don't know? Yes I posted once that a woman lied to me about being pregnant but the ones who didn't lie were taken care of on all levels but thanks for the mention.
First I took advantage of an incredible chair/back massage on my layover in Sampa. 20 minutes for 35 reals, and it was totally worth it. Probably the best 35 reals I’ve ever spent.
Funny, I always say the same thing when leaving Vila Mimosa.
30 minutes for 25 reais, and it was totally worth it. :)
El Austriaco
04-07-06, 16:51
Jeez, this is crazy.
http://oglobo.globo.com/online/rio/default.asp?1. They even got a picture of the covered body in Balcony. Two dead, five wounded, one more police officer in critical condition.
For a description of the sequence of events (in Portuguese only):
http://oglobo.globo.com/jornal/infograficos/pag/?tit=O%20rastro%20de%20viol%EAncia%20no%20bairro&graf=060407_rio_15.gif&lar=614&alt=804','infografico',664,500,%20'yes','yes'
Might have to register before being able to view these pages.
Just saw the report on Brazilian television. Insane.
EA
This girl announces in both www.hotside.com.br and escortgirl.com.br.
I've read in braziliann forums that she looks just like her pictures and if this is true this girl is a true goddess.
And a lot is going to be written about her
Mayara Nunes
http://www.escortgirl.com.br/index2.htm(morenas section)
Camila Vitoria
http://www.hotside.com.br/camilavitoria.htm
ET, I almost forgot how great you are on all levels, thanks for posting another one of these types of stories to remind us all. You have even added that you are honorable, turning down that nice young girl who flirted with you at the bar because you have a girlfriend, very impressive, do you do this to the GDP's in Rio too? Do you tell them I can't pay you to have sex with you because I have a girlfriend?
And I don't understand your mention of me about getting a girl pregnant and denying responsibility? Do you know something about my past that I don't know? Yes I posted once that a woman lied to me about being pregnant but the ones who didn't lie were taken care of on all levels but thanks for the mention.
Finally the truth comes out, Rio Bob got ET pregnant! Rio Bob do the right thing and pay for ET's abortion.
Jeez, this is crazy.
http://oglobo.globo.com/online/rio/default.asp?1. They even got a picture of the covered body in Balconey. Two dead, five wounded, one more police officer in critical condition.
For a description of the sequence of events (in Portuguese only):
http://oglobo.globo.com/jornal/infograficos/pag/?tit=O%20rastro%20de%20viol%EAncia%20no%20bairro&graf=060407_rio_15.gif&lar=614&alt=804','infografico',664,500,%20'yes','yes'
Might have to register before being able to view these pages.
Just saw the report on Brazilian television. Insane.
EA
EA, I take it that you're in Rio right now, correct? Could you find out which luxury apartment building next to Balcony was attempted to be robbed? Since I stayed right there on my last visit, I am really curious to know if it was the building I stayed in. Thanks.
El Austriaco
04-07-06, 17:43
Avenida Atlântica No. 1440, next to the Hotel Ouro Verde, right next to Praça do Lido. Yeah, I am Rio de Janeiro state right now, about two hours from the city, but not in the City of Rio per se. Just left this past Tuesday after spending two weeks there. Can´t really say that I miss being in the city right now, considering how many times I´ve been to Balcony in the past...
EA
Avenida Atlântica No. 1440, next to the Hotel Ouro Verde, right next to Praça do Lido. Yeah, I am Rio de Janeiro state right now, about two hours from the city, but not in the City of Rio per se. Just left this past Tuesday after spending two weeks there. Can´t really say that I miss being in the city right now, considering how many times I´ve been to Balconey in the past...
EA
Thanks for the information, it was a different building than mine, but I spent a lot of time at Balconey as well so it is a bit scary still. I usually get tired of Rio (the city) and want a change after a couple of weeks as well. How's the mongering where you are now?
El Austriaco
04-07-06, 18:21
Thanks for the information, it was a different building than mine, but I spent a lot of time at Balconey as well so it is a bit scary still. I usually get tired of Rio (the city) and want a change after a couple of weeks as well. How's the mongering where you are now?
There is one *****house in town (Barra do Pirai) which I visited once, called Casa Amarela. R$ 60.00 for half an hour of fun. Takeout R$ 50.00 to the house, R$ 100.00 for TLN to the girl. There is this lesbian bar owner here I know who likes to check out the girls there, and she took me there. On a funny side note, right now, she is also trying to buy this *****house in Vassouras, a city nearby here, but she is about R$ 1000.00 short, and asking me whether I could help out. Now that would be something, EA Brazilian brothel co-owner... :). Maybe I should call it Jack in the Box...
the gist of the article from todays Oglobo:
Yesterday afternoon, 4:30pm shootout with robber leaves 5 wounded and 2 dead. Robber went to an apartment under pretext of buying a computer. while tying up the husband, the wife manages to escape and call for help. in front of the apartment was a police kiosk. The robber managed to flee the building with police in pursuit. in exchange of gunfire, 5 people on Ave. Atlantica were wounded. A brazilian from Nova Iguaçu, eating a pizza at Balcony American Bar was struck in the neck and killed. Another person at Balcony was struck in the thigh. While attempting to get to Ave N. S. Copacabanna the robber continued to trading shots with police. A waiter at bar Flor do Lido, was struck in the head. another person crossing the street was struck in the chest. At Ave N. S. Copacabanna, the robber forced his way into a taxi, and threatened to kill the driver. However, due to traffic, the taxi didn't get very far. At Ave. Prado Junior, two motorcylce cops were able to stop the taxi. they and 3 other cops fired upon the robber, killing him.
The bad guy was identified as Sudário Cândido Dutra Ferreira, 35 years old, who had a criminal history including homicide, armed robbery and fraud.
Brasilian police have no concept of "background casualties" when discharging their weapons! There could be a group of nuns holding blind orphans walking down the street and the police will blast away at a criminal who passes in front of them! I guess as long as they get the criminal, they could care less how many innocent people died in the process.
El Austriaco
04-08-06, 02:32
Brasilian police have no concept of "background casualties" when discharging their weapons! There could be a group of nuns holding blind orphans walking down the street and the police will blast away at a criminal who passes in front of them! I guess as long as they get the criminal, they could care less how many innocent people died in the process.
To be fair, according to a press statement by the PR department of the MP, the innocent bystanders were hit by bullets of the aggressor, not by the police. Whether this is true, however, only time will tell.
On the other hand, apparently, the guy was trying to give himself up when he left the hijacked cab, but the cops killed him anyway, execution-style. Apparently, he was hit by six (!) bullets.
To be fair, according to a press statement by the PR department of the MP, the innocent bystanders were hit by bullets of the aggressor, not by the police. Whether this is true, however, only time will tell.
On the other hand, apparently, the guy was trying to give himself up when he left the hijacked cab, but the cops killed him anyway, execution-style. Apparently, he was hit by six (!) bullets.
Who knows whether it was the police or the criminal who killed the bystanders. But trust, the police in Brasil have no problem what so ever discharging their weapons on a crowded street.
I suspect the policemen were Policia Militar. It is very unfortunate that innocent persons were killed in the shoot-out. If any of my fellow mongers are around a situation like that, take cover, get low. If the balas are near...after hearing gunfire, you can hear them cutting the air/wind, like a car antenna mast being quickly swung. Valeu.
JoshJosh69
04-09-06, 17:47
This is the word on the street, given by a guy that owns a restaurant near Help. Sorry if this has been discussed, but I haven't seen any recent posts. I know this rumor has been floating around for awhile now, but this is the first time I have heard of an actual date. Can anyone provide more info on this. I have already booked an emergency trip.
This is the word on the street, given by a guy that owns a restaurant near Help. Sorry if this has been discussed, but I haven't seen any recent posts. I know this rumor has been floating around for awhile now, but this is the first time I have heard of an actual date. Can anyone provide more info on this. I have already booked an emergency trip.
I guess you heard it from the owner of the Sport Bar behind Help. Whether it's true or not the future will tell. Personally I doubt it will close so soon.
When it close it will be very interesting to see where the girls will go. They are always welcome to VM.
I guess you heard it from the owner of the Sport Bar behind Help. Whether it's true or not the future will tell. Personally I doubt it will close so soon.
When it close it will be very interesting to see where the girls will go. They are always welcome to VM.
Well, that Australian guy who owns that Sports Bar called the "Office" you would think would be in the Know, when I was there last December he told me it was closing May 1st, I planned my next trip to be there for closing. I will be there soon for the end if that is the case. I was there for the openning of the place and now after many years and a big transformation I will be there for the close.
I know many of you could care less but for me it is an end of an era.
Bob.
I guess you heard it from the owner of the Sport Bar behind Help. Whether it's true or not the future will tell. Personally I doubt it will close so soon.
When it close it will be very interesting to see where the girls will go. They are always welcome to VM.
I believe it will change the whole dynamics of the Copa p4p scene. From what I head, the new spot in ipanema, will be a clip joint just like Barbellas! It wont be a dance floor type setup the way Help was. I am most of the girls will shift from "all night" programs to 2 or 3 hours sessions. Makes sense because most prostitutes will not want to leave with a guy at 11pm from the Balconey and have to fuck him all night long, when they are accustomed to leaving Help at 4Am, fucking once and then going to sleep.
Hey,
I just wanted to makesure, as i'm going to book a trip, that place gave me so much joy over the years, please tell me if its the truth! I will hurt, but thats life, things move on I guess.
Can anyone give us any kind of real confirmation of this. If this is true I'm gonna be really pissed. I just planned my second trip to Rio arriving on the 17th of May. If it closes on the 15th my luck just really sucks.
... From what I head, the new spot in ipanema, will be a clip joint just like Barbellas! It wont be a dance floor type setup the way Help was....
Where in Ipanema will the new "Help" be located?
during shootout with police, PM Augusto Alexandre Pinheiro Júnior, 23 years, was shot in the head. he was rushed to a hospital, but did not survive. he was buried yesterday with full military honors. brings the total of three dead in this shootout.
Can anyone give us any kind of real confirmation of this. If this is true I'm gonna be really pissed. I just planned my second trip to Rio arriving on the 17th of May. If it closes on the 15th my luck just really sucks.
But from what people have been writing about Help lately, it is a place that will not be missed very much. (I have not been to Rio or Brazil yet - but will be there in August). One problem is the cost of GDPs in Help- they are demanding R250 (>US$100!) or more for a few hours. Plus several people have had bad experiences with loco chicas. From recent posts, either a terma like 4X4 or escorts are the best bang for the money.
Cheers
JoshJosh69
04-10-06, 19:27
So I see i stirred up the pot a little and thats what I wanterd to do. I wanted to see if anyone can confirm these rumors. I am making the emergency three night trip on May 11th because I have spent every single night I have ever had in Brasil (over twenty times) at Help. Sure there are some complaints on things from prices to quality to what not, but in my eyes, it is the greatest place in the world. I live in NYC and I refuse to go to any clubs out here. At Help, I don't wait on line to get in, the bouncers all shake my hand, the manager always has my table waiting with bottles of champagne and of course the girls. There is no way any of that would happen for me in a club in NYC. I want to know if I can buy some stuff when the tear it down.
Some say that the bingo parlor in Arprador will become the new Help. That would be great as it is a nice space and still on the strip.. If anyone else hears anything, please let me know before I spend $835 for a weekend (not that I mind much, had two dates with Amewrican girls since my last vacation and they were horrible).
But from what people have been writing about Help lately, it is a place that will not be missed very much.
It may be missed even by those of us who don't care much for Help. As Bravo said earlier, it may change the whole dynamic of the area. What will happen to the triangle of sin (MP, Othon-shaded beach, Help) if one of its vertices is removed? I really enjoy the ebb and flow of that particular hunting ground. I'll be sad to see it disappear.
Anybody know if there is a place in Copa where I can book a GOL flight (thus avoiding a trip to the airport)? The GOL web site only accepts AMEX which I don't have.
Anybody know of such a place in the Jardins area of Sao Paulo?
Thanks,
Rex
You can book Gol through any travel agency. I have used
http://www.blameitonrio4travel.com/ for booking GOL tickets, they are ok for a simple thing like booking a ticket. Ask for Evelyne, the other girl there doesn't know her ass from her elbow.
I would suggest waiting for a bit more detail before you jump on that plane for a last Help tour de force. Only listen to information from good sources.
The rumour about Help closing has been around for years. There was also a similar rumour about Via Show, that it was going to close cause they had agreed to sell it to the evangelical church. Via Show even put a popup on their website saying "this story is only a rumour, we don't know how it started but there's no substance to it". A year or two later, and Via Show is still doing business as always.
Are escorts and termas better value for money than Help? While I am no fan of Help, but I would not entirely agree.
Escorts are hit and miss, you can easily get a girl show up that doesn't do much for you, or zero chemistry, or even bait and switch.
Termas, 4x4 is 170 to 200 reais for one hour. The Copa termas are another level of expensive again.
If you can pull from Help for 200r plus 22r for the entrance fee and you get minimum two hours... that is better value than the terma for time in the bedroom. Of course Help is also hit and miss. It can try your patience sometimes as there are some really foul attitudes in there, in amongst the decent girls that can also be found.
The terma is probably better value if you speak no Portuguese and you have a very low tolerance for complications.
I just tried HELPS web site, it is gone, so it appears this may be true. Damn, I was planning a trip to Rio in June, damn! Maybe I should reschedule my trip to Prauge next week to go to Rio instead.
Track Star
04-11-06, 06:37
DFWDude,
The HELP website is owned not by HELP, but a private guy in Austria. He told me he took it down because the girls that was pictured there wanted to get off and for a while he refused to take them off..then they threathened with lawsuits etc. Really a pain in the rear end.
Also, the HELP people never cared or wanted to be a part of some of the commercial plans he originally had for the website..so then he decided take it down..not worth the hassle.
This he told me in an email to me. I emailed him asking what happened to the HELP website. This is the true story about why HELP website no more dynamic and active like it used to be.
Track Star
I just tried HELPS web site, it is gone, so it appears this may be true. Damn, I was planning a trip to Rio in June, damn! Maybe I should reschedule my trip to Prauge next week to go to Rio instead.
http://www.discoteca-help.com/
Closed.
http://80.78.233.178/html/bra/index.htm
Still working.
Help has always been a good option in Rio, for newbie's or mongers who are allergic to leaving Copacabana. A large quantity of pro´s to choose from. A low standard on girls who asks for outrageous prices. Girls with bad attitudes.
I will miss Help as much as I miss a toothache. If you don't see a reason to go to Rio just because Help might be closing, then you have missed out on so many good things in Rio. You still have termas, aptos/casas, VM, strip-clubs, escorts, street-walkers and beach-pro's.
I think closing Help will have good effects on the mongering in Rio:
- Much more streetwalkers in Copa.
- More aptos/casas with a wider option of girls.
- More girls at VM.
- Less girls asking for ridiculous prices.
say it ain't so! remember the first time you set foot in help? there are few guys here that if you honestly think back could say they had not died and went to heaven. oh, yes it has changed over the years, but i dare anyone to speak on a club anywhere else in the world that compares! i have been on trips and never set foot in help, but whenever i do i always have the time of my life. just look at the link sperto provided:
http://80.78.233.178/html/bra/index.htm
damn the memories come rushing back. no one need pay the prices the girls are asking now, but damn those photos bring back great memories, even if you go home alone.
long live helpeee.
ronnyron
I love hearing all you so called "mongering experts" telling everyone how shitty Help is. Not that I'm sure it hasn't seen it's better days but to say how much this place sucks and how you're glad it's closing just shows ignorance. There are plenty of P4P options in Rio but for the club atmosphere and the cheap drinks it's definitely the best in Rio and probably from what i've heard from other mongers with a lot more experienced travel, the world. I've been to the Del Rey in CR at least 10 times and HDR couldn't hold Help's jock if it were castrated. I for one will be very dissapointed to see Help close. And by the way, on my last trip to Rio 2 months ago, I never paid more then 200 Reals for a night with a Help girl. And it's not because I'm that good looking. That being said, even if Help closes, I will not stop going to Rio. I still think Brazil has the most beautiful women and Rio has lots of options. The countdown has begun at 38 Days till the return...And by the way...JoshJosh69, how much would it cost us to have 10 hot girls drinking champagne all night at a VIP table at Crobar.... Probably about $3000. I'll take Help over NYC clubs any day. Damn that 13 hour flight!!!
California Guy
04-11-06, 18:36
Help has always been a good option in Rio, for newbie's or mongers who are allergic to leaving Copacabana. A large quantity of pro´s to choose from. A low standard on girls who asks for outrageous prices. Girls with bad attitudes.
I will miss Help as much as I miss a toothache. If you don't see a reason to go to Rio just because Help might be closing, then you have missed out on so many good things in Rio. You still have termas, aptos/casas, VM, strip-clubs, escorts, street-walkers and beach-pro's.
I think closing Help will have good effects on the mongering in Rio:
- Much more streetwalkers in Copa.
- More aptos/casas with a wider option of girls.
- More girls at VM.
- Less girls asking for ridiculous prices.
I have never been to Rio but will be making my first trip down in roughly a month from now. After reading that Help is such a popular spot with the girls it seems to me that it would actually help the cost of p4p like the post above mentioned. I mean it sounds like the girls had it easy working here, in terms of the number of guys around willing to pay for there services, so now they must look for new options. Just curious what others think about this either way? Im not here to argue either so if you don't agree it is okay but I would like to here opinions.
The Rio Kid
04-11-06, 19:48
Help closing? Hmmm, kinda sad even though I seldom go inside. Help, and the area in front of Help is like a magnet for the beautiful, p4p women of Rio. Need I say more?
BootyTapper
04-12-06, 00:58
Sperto thanks for the backup link!! I had to check out the pics and I was rolling laughing. I know alot of the girls in the pics and it was funny to see them that young from back in the day. I hope Help is not closing, but if it is, I hope the new place has the same vibe as the old place.
DFWDude,
The HELP website is owned not by HELP, but a private guy in Austria. He told me he took it down because the girls that was pictured there wanted to get off and for a while he refused to take them off..then they threathened with lawsuits etc. Really a pain in the rear end.
Track Star
Yes this is true I spoke to this guy in Help this past December, he told me exactly the same thing. But there is a link below to the website so it looks like it's back up.
I have been to Rio before Help was there and it was fine, plenty of girls were in the cafes and available to go with you, not much will change.
Yes this rumour about Help closing has been around awhile but lately the news has been that the owners have not been paying their bills in Help and other nighclubs they own in town, for example Chikos Bar in Lagoa they also owned and that was shut down recently. People have been putting specific dates on the closing. First I heard May 1 then April 15 then May 15. I also heard that the owners were scouting for a new place so lets hope they find one.
I also doubt that if Help closes now everybody will be crowding into the Termas in Rio. If they don't go there now why should they want to go there after Help closes. Like I said before I have been mongering in Rio before Help was there but the Termas's were there and I didn't go to them then. They are just not my thing, no challenge, you don't need to know anything, I find them boring and so do most of the people I know who only go to Help, they have no interest to going to a Termas. There will still be a night scene in Copacabana after Help closes.
If Help closes, will Terrecao Atlantico close also?
Rio B, you say that you were around b4 Help, was the Meia P patio as active back b4 Help opened?
I am also wondering if the scene that is located just there in the area will migrate towards a new loction should the owners find a new spot for the club, any opinions?
I am hoping that the closing of the club is not going to have an impact the availability and quality of the ladies. I like Helpie because it is like going fishing in a lake that has been stocked with fish. It is much easier to catch something that you will be satisfied with.
sperto, if your doing streetwalkers you need HELP!. Im not saying the girls at help and the termas are risk free but doing a streetwalker is suicide. I rather spend more money and get a girl from a terma who is at least tested once a month to come to my apartment. Spend a little more and cut your risk instead of VM and street walkers.
Thank you for your concern. I do pick up streetwalkers. Not the ones standing on Av Atlântica waiting for customers passing in cars, but the ones strolling up and down Copacabana.
There are several nice girls to be found. Part-time pro's, university-students and mothers that needs extra money to pay their bills. I'm happy to help them.
I do go to the termas, order escorts and pick up girls outside Help. But I like a good mixture. So in my pot I throw some girls from the street, VM, Praça Mauá, centro casas and regular girls. I get a really good stew.
What I heard about Help is that for five years there has been negotiating between a hotel chain and the owner of the property that Help stands on (a wealthy middle-aged woman).
It seems clear that they will tear down Help and a construct a big hotel on the same spot.
There used to be 7 Spanish guys running Help. The majority has been deported during the years. Seems like it's only two left. They had problems paying the rent for the last 4 years.
The ones that will miss Help mostly will be the gringos, the pro's, the sheating taxidrivers and the nasty thieves.
There are plenty of rumours. I heard they will open a substitute to Help out in Barra. I doubt that very much.
What I heard about Help is that for five years there has been negotiating between a hotel chain and the owner of the property that Help stands on (a wealthy middle-aged woman).
It seems clear that they will tear down Help and a construct a big hotel on the same spot.
There used to be 7 Spanish guys running Help. The majority has been deported during the years. Seems like it's only two left. They had problems paying the rent for the last 4 years.
The ones that will miss Help mostly will be the gringos, the pro's, the sheating taxidrivers and the nasty thieves.
There are plenty of rumours. I heard they will open a substitute to Help out in Barra. I doubt that very much.
How can they have trouble paying their rent. That place has to rack in over $R20,000 per night. Think about it....
If Help closes, will Terrecao Atlantico close also?
Rio B, you say that you were around b4 Help, was the Meia P patio as active back b4 Help opened?
I am also wondering if the scene that is located just there in the area will migrate towards a new loction should the owners find a new spot for the club, any opinions?
I am hoping that the closing of the club is not going to have an impact the availability and quality of the ladies. I like Helpie because it is like going fishing in a lake that has been stocked with fish. It is much easier to catch something that you will be satisfied with.
If Terracao Atlantico is part of the real estate deal then yes it will close and I think it may be.
Before Help was there on Av Atlantica most of the night Copa scene was in the cafes along Av Atlantica. Places like Meia Pataca were filled all night with girls, Mabs was filled all night with quality girls and other cafes too. My first time mongering in Rio I stayed at the Rio Palace which is now the Sofitel, I didn't know about the mongering scene and I was sitting in the cafe outside the hotel, the one that is still there, the place was packed with girls looking for dates. I didn't know they were GDP's at first, I told my friend that something is very strange here that this place is filled with beautiful women and many of them are staring at me. Well it didn't take me long to figure out what was going on.
Before Help there was all the Boates/Boites near Princess Isabella blvd just like today but the big one I went to most of the time was Club Erotika which has moved to a smaller locatioin but back then it occupied a bigger location of Isabella. Barbarellas was there and Holiday was big.
You couldn't take a taxi cab without the driver sticking a brochure in your face to go to some termas, I went once back then.
So the Copa scene was there before Help and will be there way after Help is an apartment building or Hotel either way the scene will adjust.
How can they have trouble paying their rent. That place has to rack in over $R20,000 per night. Think about it....
It is not that they couldn't pay the rent, it is just that they knew the lease was coming to an end and they chose not to pay the rent. Under Brasilian law it is very difficult to evict any kind of tenant, commercial or residential, hence you get alot of people quite simply refusing to pay rent. I believe they also have not paid other bills as well.
To enforce any kind of payment under the Brasilian legal system it takes years and years. It is all very Brasilian and basically underlines the problems of doing any kind of business in this country.
Jose Sanchez
04-13-06, 04:39
I will be in Rio April 29 - May 6 for mongering. It is my 4th trip and on other trips, I have met up with other mongers and had a good time. If there are any other guys flying solo drop me a line.
Also, in the past I have stayed in some nice hotels. I am considering getting a retal place, but I want something very high end. Do you guys have any links or advice?
Jose
Several months ago, there was an OGlobo article about Help closing. Did anyone read it?
Exec Talent
04-13-06, 14:22
Took a short ride with my girl last night in a taxi we picked up along NS Copacabana. Fare should have been about R$7. He must have done something to his meter because it was like watching a streaming video. Total damage - R$9. Then he tells me that the chart (taxis are using a chart until the meters are changed to reflect higher prices) says the fare is R$10. I was going to argue with the driver but when I took a good look at him, he reminded me of one of the guys on the Sopranos. It didn’t matter anyway because my girl grabbed my hand and pulled me out of the cab. Scary. I have had taxis try to use a higher band (zone) and even try to start with the fare from the previous rider still on the meter, but I have never encountered a meter that was obviously modified to run up the fare.
The number of low class tourists here is starting to make Rio feel more seedy and dirty then ever. High season ended and times are getting tough. Also, the police have been clearing the beach of street vendors. The girls who are not in Europe have gone to Sao Paulo in hopes of finding greener pastures. If you haven’t been to Rio in awhile and are planning a visit soon, you will definitely feel the change. Please take extra precautions to insure your safety.
El Austriaco
04-13-06, 15:32
Starting fare for cabs in Rio now is up to R$ 3.70 (as compared to R$ 2.50 back in 2004, for example), and apparently, another rate hike has already been approved (to R$ 4.00). This is the reason that cab drivers now use the tabela, to adjust the fares as the meters have not yet been updated to reflect this increase in fares. Yep, unfortunately, cabs keep getting increasingly expensive in Rio. Business as usual.
Are games like using the wrong flag (bandeira) to increase the fare or not resetting the meter to the starting fare very common in Rio? No, they are not, although all of them have happened to me. Should this happen, just point it out to the cab driver or get out of the cab to get another one. More likely than not, the problem will be immediately corrected.
Regarding the claim of the doctored meter: possible? Yes, but not very likely. There are different cabs in Rio. The omnipresent yellow cabs are the cheapest ones, but there are other cabs also (especially at the airport: white, black, silver cabs, who are also metered, but use a meter with a different rate). I also think that the subjective impression that meters run so much faster than in the past is simply due to the fact that fares have clearly increased quite a bit over the years.
I have been to the airport on several occasions in the past few months, and rides to/from the airport from the Bairro Peixoto area of Copacabana have run between R$ 30.00 and R$ 40.00 depending on the time of the day, traffic conditions, and route chosen by the cabbie. Mostly, fares have been between R$ 35.00 and R$ 40.00. Once I happened to take a metered silver cab from the airport, and the fare was R$ 50.00. Lesson: stick to metered yellow cabs all the time anywhere you go.
I've said it in the past, and I will say it again: every time someone offers you a fixed fare for trips within Rio, you are getting RIPPED OFF. Example: went to Pão de Açúcar some three weeks ago, and on the way back, cab drivers waiting in front of the telefêrico station all said that a trip back to Copacabana had a fixed rate of R$ 17.00. Strolled down the street for three minutes, hailed a cab in the street. Total damage: R$ 11.00, and the fare would have been even less had we not been stuck in heavy traffic. The same goes for drivers waiting outside of Help or on top of Corcovado mountain, for example.
On a side note, if you go up Corcovado by cab, please negotiate a flat fee with the cab driver for a round-trip and waiting time. Last time I did it, I paid R$ 100 for three hours and stops at the Cristo and the Marta viewpoint, plus R$ 15.00 for three admissions to the Floresta da Tijuca NP. Considering that the train ride now runs at R$ 35.00 per person, this option was actually cheaper than taking a cab to/from the Cosme Velho station, plus included another stop and another great view onto Rio from above.
Overall, I would say that for every cab driver trying to rip you off, there are at least two very friendly, very helpful, and very professional cabbies in Rio. In this respect, Rio is no better or worse than any other large city in the world that I know.
Hope this helps.
EA
Yes, the doctored taxi meter is rare. It has happened to me once in Sao Paulo, though.
Once in a while, if the taxi driver is really playing me for a fool, I will note down his license number into my cell phone, plus the "denuncia" phone number, and let him see me doing it.
It only happened to me once, several years ago. When the taxi driver shifted gear he pressed a button on the gear shift several times and the taxi meter increased quickly. It was quite obvious what he was doing.
It also happens that taxi drivers use fake tabelas.
Can you imagine? a guy that is willing to argue over 3 r while out with his fav garota calling someone low class?
Guys, 2, 3, 10, or even 20r overcharges done once and a blue moon is not going to hurt your pocket. One the other hand, if you get into an arguement with some dishonest cabbie it could cost you alot more if things go wrong.
Pay and move on, don'y argue, why? What could be accomplished by fighting? A 3r discount on the fare. Think about it, we go to enjoy ourselves and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) money away, so why complain when you have to spend money on something. Nobody wants to get ripped off, but nobody wants to get into a fight verbal or otherwise with someone that has much less to lose. A shady cabbie makes his living ripping people off. He has a flawed character. What more do you think he is willing to do to make money, or if he gets pissed off at some turist in a county where life is cheap. It can lead to police involvement which can cost a great deal more, or worse.
WE must pay to play. It is a p4p scene
DD
The money is not the point. I tend to find maybe 30% of people, when paying for services, taxis restaurants etc will try to try and get that little bit more. They will try this with locals and tourists a like. I generally tip a taxi driver that provides a have decent service a R or 2. If he tries to overcharge me or tries to fuck me in any way, I will insist he give me every last centavos and let him know I am not happy about it. Nobody generally gets upset with this, it is normal life in Brasil and America Latina.
This weekend is Pascoa (easter) in Rio. I got a Pm asking about opening days of Termas and am thinking someone else will bring it up, hence thought I would mention it here. In short I always forget.
Centro termas will almost certainly be shut on Good Friday. They are always shut on the weekend so that is not an issue.
Termans in Zona Sul (L'oumo, Monte Carlo, Solarium, Centaurus)
*Friday* is a holiday in Rio. Cent will definitely be closed. I am not sure with the other 3 majors in Zona Sul.
*Saturday* I am thinking L'oumo, Monte Carlo, Solarium will be open, not sure on cent.
*Sunday* is easter Sunday. Cent is closed on Sundays anyay. Not sure of the others.
From memory last year, L'oumo, Monte Carlo, Solarium were closed only one of the days over Easter. Not sure if it was the Friday or the Sunday.
Anyone else?
Exec Talent
04-13-06, 22:52
I just talked with one of the nice receptionists at L'uomo (and I really mean that, they are super nice and all speak English well). She told me that they will be closed Friday and open on Saturday and Sunday from 4:00 to midnight.
Can you imagine? a guy that is willing to argue over 3 r while out with his fav garota calling someone low class?
Guys, 2, 3, 10, or even 20r overcharges done once and a blue moon is not going to hurt your pocket. One the other hand, if you get into an arguement with some dishonest cabbie it could cost you alot more if things go wrong.
Pay and move on, don'y argue, why? What could be accomplished by fighting? A 3r discount on the fare. Think about it, we go to enjoy ourselves and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) money away, so why complain when you have to spend money on something. Nobody wants to get ripped off, but nobody wants to get into a fight verbal or otherwise with someone that has much less to lose. A shady cabbie makes his living ripping people off. He has a flawed character. What more do you think he is willing to do to make money, or if he gets pissed off at some turist in a county where life is cheap. It can lead to police involvement which can cost a great deal more, or worse.
WE must pay to play. It is a p4p scene
DD
Thats the EXACT SAME attitude that some mongers had 2 years ago, when the rate was 3.80R/1. "Come on guys, whats the big deal if the girls ask for 350R? Just pay it! Whats an extra 100R?" Thanks to those idiots, the girls got accustomed to demanding 3-400R for a couple of hours!
Doesnt matter how much or how little the amount is, you cant allow yourself to get ripped off or you will pay for it eventually.
Can you imagine? a guy that is willing to argue over 3 r while out with his fav garota calling someone low class?
Guys, 2, 3, 10, or even 20r overcharges done once and a blue moon is not going to hurt your pocket. One the other hand, if you get into an arguement with some dishonest cabbie it could cost you alot more if things go wrong.
Pay and move on, don'y argue, why? What could be accomplished by fighting? A 3r discount on the fare. Think about it, we go to enjoy ourselves and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) money away, so why complain when you have to spend money on something. Nobody wants to get ripped off, but nobody wants to get into a fight verbal or otherwise with someone that has much less to lose. A shady cabbie makes his living ripping people off. He has a flawed character. What more do you think he is willing to do to make money, or if he gets pissed off at some turist in a county where life is cheap. It can lead to police involvement which can cost a great deal more, or worse.
WE must pay to play. It is a p4p scene
DD
It's the principle. That same cabbie in the future will up the ante and try and cheat on $R6, then $R10. Where do you put a stop to it?
Wise up D!!!
I just talked with one of the nice receptionists at L'uomo (and I really mean that, they are super nice and all speak English well). She told me that they will be closed Friday and open on Saturday and Sunday from 4:00 to midnight.
EASTER!!! EASTER!!! Least we forget, Brazil is a predominantly CATHOLIC society. They take their religious holiday very seriously!!!
People approach life differently. I view money as a means to an end, not the end itself. Nobody can take anything that I am giving. My time is worth much more than several r. I would imagine that your is also, however you may not know that. All battles are not won simply by going in, some are won by not.
However, your ways serve you in your life, I will just keep learning and hopefully I will wise up......
I take two morenas...DD
California Guy
04-14-06, 20:39
Are the prices girls ask for generally higher in SP or Rio? I am trying to choose a second location to visit other than Rio and I am not one looking for high rate girls. Also since this is my first trip to Brazil can some of the experienced members tell me what I should be paying if I want a girl for all night? I don't want inflated prices anymore than you do so it would help to here from the guys who are down often. You can IM me as well, I would appreciate it.
Take care everyone, it sounds like Rio has been getting worse which is a sad situation regardless of the p4p scene.
Cali
Are the prices girls ask for generally higher in SP or Rio? I am trying to choose a second location to visit other than Rio and I am not one looking for high rate girls. Also since this is my first trip to Brazil can some of the experienced members tell me what I should be paying if I want a girl for all night? I don't want inflated prices anymore than you do so it would help to here from the guys who are down often. You can IM me as well, I would appreciate it.
Take care everyone, it sounds like Rio has been getting worse which is a sad situation regardless of the p4p scene.
Cali
I for one try to keep the girls under $100 US for the night in Rio. So right now that is about 215 Reals. There are some ridiculously hot girls at Help that ask for 400-500 Reals but you can get them later in the night for 250-300. Truth is, if a girl is that hot, is 100 Reals really gonna break the bank. I would start at 200 for the night as your starting point. Good luck.
Here's a question for my fellow mongers. First, how is the weather in Rio in May? And second, I am hearing that the girls go to Europe for the winter. Is there enough high quality Brazilian bunda in May and do the prices drop in the off season like in costa rica? And since I'm going in May I only want to hear good answers that will make me happy. But seriously any info would be appreciated.
Here's a question for my fellow mongers. First, how is the weather in Rio in May? And second, I am hearing that the girls go to Europe for the winter. Is there enough high quality Brazilian bunda in May and do the prices drop in the off season like in costa rica? And since I'm going in May I only want to hear good answers that will make me happy. But seriously any info would be appreciated.
I have been to Rio over 50 times and I have probably been there at least once in every month and never had a problem finding a nice girl.
May is only a couple of weeks away so for the most part you should get on your good days with no rain temps in the 80's.
Since May is off season then there will be less tourists you would think and therefore less demand, less demand = lower prices as long as there is an abundant supply of high quality Brazilian bunda. These girls have been migrating to Europe for years but I have never seen a short supply of girls in Rio, you can always find one.
I am also going to Rio in Mid May. I really apreciate my membership to this group. I would appreciate any suggestions also. there are three, possibly four of us in an Ocean Front apartment in Copa. I was there once in 2003 for Carnival with a party. This is my first venture off season with a small group on my own. I was successful in Centro at the Strip clubs Scandanavia and Florida but this is our first experience in the Help district. I am looking forwardto replys with interest.
Thanks already Lancer520 and Rio Rob.
Are the prices girls ask for generally higher in SP or Rio? I am trying to choose a second location to visit other than Rio and I am not one looking for high rate girls. Also since this is my first trip to Brazil can some of the experienced members tell me what I should be paying if I want a girl for all night? I don't want inflated prices anymore than you do so it would help to here from the guys who are down often. You can IM me as well, I would appreciate it.
Take care everyone, it sounds like Rio has been getting worse which is a sad situation regardless of the p4p scene.
Cali
The prices are higher in Sao Paulo. Rio is a great value, especially in the termas and when using the escort services.
Exec Talent
04-15-06, 04:40
Was with my girl at Rio Sul Mall and there was no shortage of very hot women. Later we caught a couple of drinks outside of Help so I could get the scoop on the closing and check out the action. Couple things I noticed. The message apparently got out to African Americans (or they are having trouble getting visas) because there were not many to be found. Also, there were maybe two "doable" girls. Many of the girl’s outfits were laughable. As we were leaving, my girl said it all as she locked the doors on the cab, "I really don't like Copacabana, it makes me nervous."
I will be coming back to Rio, and soon. But, I really cannot see any reason to stay anywhere near Copacabana. It really is that bad now. For example, the last two days while trying to get an ice cream at Bob's I was approached by young punks who would not go away. Today, it was one of the shoe shine guys who finally did walk away but starting yelling at me "Fuck you." Speaking of the shoe shine guys. They no longer are limiting their activities to the beach. I have been seeing them all over Copacabana.
Bottom line. What I saw tonight going into Help, was nothing for which I would ever travel outside the US and spend money. A lot of the termas girls have gone to Europe or elsewhere. As for Help closing, for what it is worth, one of the doormen told me it is not closing.
As for the weather -- it is perfect.
Please keep us up to date with your on the ground reporting. I'm very dissapointed to here that Help was crap on a Friday night. If things really do get bad, I might save 8 hours of flying and head to Costa Rica instead. But I'll need more then just one bad night to change my plans.
Exec Talent
04-15-06, 05:31
Today is a holiday and many business (including L'uomo which I noted earlier) are closed. Could be that a lot of hotties are home with their families. I sure hope so, because there is no reason to come to Rio for what I saw tonight.
Damn...sounds like Rio is really heading downhill. Had some good memories but maybe its time to switch venues. Maybe Colombia...Cuba...Peru? Asia doesn't really interest me as I can get asian girls fairly easily at home. Maybe switch it up to EE or Russia. The only concern with that is that I'm asian and EE and Russia is notorious for skinhead attacks...granted it doesn't happen often, but still something to be concerned about. Anyway...goodbye Rio. It was nice while it lasted.
I am also watching with great interest. We are locked in to our arrangements. I am remaining optimistic and just thinking that It must be slow because of the Easter Weekend. I am thinking my first day or two will be between the 4x4 Terma which seems to be the less expensive of the top four or five termas and the two outcalls Cia plus (Spoke English ) and Karla Models If we have a translater.I will adjust my hunting to the local population as I settle in. That seems to be my game plan for now.Therefore I am open to suggestions on the cheapest and best sources for mongering under controlled conditions. I am researching myself. However some of you are experiencing those options now. Thanks again
Are the prices girls ask for generally higher in SP or Rio? I am trying to choose a second location to visit other than Rio and I am not one looking for high rate girls.
Cali
Head to Belo Horizonte or Bahia.
Exec Talent
04-15-06, 16:21
African Americans primarily roll thru Brasil bet. Nov. -- Mar. Why should we have problems getting visas???
Fact is most people travel to Brazil during high season (Dec - Mar) the Brazilian summer.
I see written here over and over again how Brazil is a country of color. The implication is that there is no class distinction or prejudice based upon color. Apparently those with that opinion have no access to television where the novela stars are all white or go to the mall where most of the people working and shopping are white or to the cinemas where patrons are mostly white or to the higher end restaurants where, you guessed it, most of the diners are white.
I travel back and forth between Brazil and the US frequently on several airlines. I also have contacts on airlines other than those on which I fly. During ALL months recently, flights were at least half African American. My most recent flight had about three. Huge difference.
I see a couple of things. One, white Brazilians are not too happy with all the African Americans obviously here for only one thing. Imagine, even today, a group of African Americans descending on a rural southern town with the intent of whining and dining the locals. Do you think there would not be a reaction? No different than me being the only white at a black college reunion other than they seemed to enjoy me trying to do the Electric Slide.
In addition to the white Brazilians, many of the girls are not too happy. I know enough of them and they are candid enough with me to know they prefer Europeans or white Americans. Some of the reasons they tell me is that African Americans waste their time and are always trying to low ball them, stay in nasty apartments with many other guys and generally don't have money to spend. One has never told me however, that an African American has mistreated them. Their opinion really does seem to be based on money and that they would rather spend the night in nicer places.
And, I have heard from several sources that the Brazilian Consulates General in the US are making it harder for African Americans to get visas.
Incidentally, from my front row seat, the most rude and obnoxious behavior I have seen in Rio has been perpetrated by white Americans, Italians, the French and Germans, not African Americans.
African Americans primarily roll thru Brasil bet. Nov. -- Mar. Why should we have problems getting visas???LOL,
What's up Rastaman problems getting visas what a joke (most people I know that travel to Rio have 5 year visas) lol
When it comes to Taxi's drivers I been using the same guy for years and when he isn't working I use his Father or is Uncle the bottom line ONCE you find a good taxi driver thats isn't trying to rip you off get his number and use him all the time like I said, I been using the same guy for years.
When I am in Rio with my so-called "my girl" for the night most non-pros wouldn't be caught dead anywhere in the Copo.
Listen guys if you walk the streets of major US cities or ever been overseas station in the armed forces going and walking around Rio will be a nothing to most men, as far as kids goes I they know who to mess with and who NOT to, I NEVER had any problems with any.
I been hearing so much about these shoes shine little boys/kids and I still haven't seen any that gave me any problems like again they also know who to mess with and who they can ask or make afraid of them.
Any person growing up in a major city and not running or acting like they are scared or afraid WON'T have any problems.
I don't know what it is BUT it seems to be ONLY certain guys that always have problems in Rio.
Kid Cisco
I been going to Rio for decades,with that said I have seen more blacks from the US going to Rio over the years MOST of the ones I have talked to don't have problems spending $$, go to any club in the US and see who you see in the VIP area's ?? yes you guess it mostly blacks spending $$ on drinks and up to thousands just to be in VIP section.
With that also said, depends on who you talk to girls are going to be with who they think they will have a good time with, and they will tell whoever at the time who they rather be with I heard BLACK guys talking how the girls think most white guys are easy marks and I mostly hear about white guys getting mugged or robbed or drugged.
Most blacks that I HAVE been seeing in Rio stay in some really nice places I would say many share places that's because they are renting a 5 bedroom penthouse that cost in the $100's to rent a night (pool/spa) etc.
Of course you will find cheap or people on a tight budget in all races I would say that most blacks I have met compare to the whites I have met DON'T hand over $300.00 US dollars to a club help girl as fast as I seen from other races, most blacks from the US do go to Rio for the fun of being with the girls and they aren't as fast to called them their girlfriend or "my girl" as you would find from others.
Most of Brazil is made up and was built by the backs of the black slaves and most Brazilian have black blood in their familes tree somewhere, these girls are good at telling their JOHN'S/TRICKS whatever they want to here so they can keep on being called "my girl" from them.
Bottom line guys of all races go to Rio have fun DON'T fall in love with these club help girls and termas girl and DON'T be so fast to call them "my girl" and hang around the Copo with them you won't have any problems this is from someone that don't go to Rio each month BUT have been going to Rio for decades, I talk with and know Brazilians from all walks of life NOT just working girls that have a day off from the termas.
Kid Cisco
Exec Talent, I agree with most of what you say. except the girls responses to you. Truth is, the girls will tell you, what they think you want to hear. If you are white, they will tell you that they hate fucking brothers. If you are Italian, they will say they hate Americans. Etc....
I've had 2 girls one afternoon in my apartment who swore there wasnt enough money for them to go with Germans, 2 weeks later who did I see them in Help with? They may have preferences, but they are happy to go with anyone who will pay their asking price.
El Austriaco
04-15-06, 18:15
Damn...sounds like Rio is really heading downhill. Had some good memories but maybe its time to switch venues. Maybe Colombia...Cuba...Peru? Asia doesn't really interest me as I can get asian girls fairly easily at home. Maybe switch it up to EE or Russia. The only concern with that is that I'm asian and EE and Russia is notorious for skinhead attacks...granted it doesn't happen often, but still something to be concerned about. Anyway...goodbye Rio. It was nice while it lasted.
Why would you say that Rio is really heading downhill? Because things have gotten more expensive? Well, the Real is strong, the US dollar isn't... but this can change again. Because of a wave of incidents in Copacabana? Well, that violence can spill onto the asfalto isn't exactly anything new, and the fact that Rio's reputation as a violent city is largely due to ongoing warfare in favelas and the Zona Norte where tourists shouldn't ever tread also remains unchanged, so keep your cool. Sometimes, it's just a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and this is something that really can happen anywhere. Because the girls have left? Gimme a break, this is Rio... some girls may leave for greener pastures, but there are still thousands around if you know where to look. Maybe Colombia... Cuba... Peru? I've been to all of them, so let me tell you this: Colombia is not a piece of cake for a newbie, and security IS an issue, even more so than in Rio. And the dollar hasn't fared too well against COP, either. Cuba: heard about the crackdown on prostitution (which is basically illegal)? Read the Cuba board lately? And even before that, mongering wasn't point-and-click there. Peru? I know, the current Miss World is Peruvian... but are Peruvian girls in a league with Brazilians? Come on. Eastern Europe/Russia? Perhaps... but does it compare to Brazil?
Why would you say that Rio is really heading downhill? Because things have gotten more expensive? Well, the Real is strong, the US dollar isn´t ... but this can change again. Because of a wave of incidents in Copacabana? Well, that violence can spill onto the asfalto isn´t exactly anything new, and the fact that Rio´s reputation as a violent city is largely due to ongoing warfare in favelas and the Zona Norte where tourists shouldn´t ever tread also remains unchanged, so keep your cool. Sometimes, it's just a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and this is something that really can happen anywhere. Because the girls have left? Gimme a break, this is Rio... some girls may leave for greener pastures, but there are still thousands around if you know how to look. Maybe Colombia.. Cuba.. Peru? I´ve been to all of them, so let me tell you this: Colombia is not a piece of cake for a newbie, and security IS an issue. And the dollar hasn´t fared too well against COP, either. Cuba: heard about the crackdown on prostitution (which is basically illegal)? And even before that, mongering wasn´t point-and-click there. Peru? I know, the current Miss World is Peruvian.. but are Peruvian girls in a league with Brazilians? Come on. Eastern Europe/Russia? Perhaps... but does it compare to Brazil?Don't waste your time if a person is afraid or scared they should stay at home and leave Rio to the men ok? I can walk around the Copo 24/7 and NEVER had a problem but then again I don't look like a push over either NOT saying something can't happen to me BUT it haven't happen.
Look guys go were you want to go BUT, for the type of girls I like BUBBLE BUTTS theres no place like Rio so stay home the more for me lol
Kid Cisco
Member #4156
04-15-06, 18:43
Exec Talent, I agree with most of what you say. except the girls responses to you. Truth is, the girls will tell you, what they think you want to hear. If you are white, they will tell you that they hate fucking brothers. If you are Italian, they will say they hate Americans. Etc....
Damn you beat me to it. LOL! Bravo This gotta be the truest shit you ever wrote.
I can't even count how many times I've been told "I don't like ...(insert a nationalaity here)" I don't believe that shit though, and personally found it annoying. I assumed they tell all of their "potential" clients something derrogatory about every creed culture or whatever that's in the competition. Duh, oh really? It's all part of the game. I would love to tell the funny story of relevance between me and a little Italian man on the beach. ET, I didn't think someone would be nieve enough to actuall believe this crap. LOL! Wake me up when you hear this from enough regular chicks that don't live near Zona Sul. Then I'll start to worry. I've spent as much time in the North as I have near Copacabana and I've gotten nothing but love. I believe it's up to the individual though.
I see written here over and over again how Brazil is a country of color. The implication is that there is no class distinction or prejudice based upon color. Apparently those with that opinion have no access to television where the novela stars are all white or go to the mall where most of the people working and shopping are white or to the cinemas where patrons are mostly white or to the higher end restaurants where, you guessed it, most of the diners are white.
Okay ET you're an American right? Well judging by American Standards and how the Jim Crow laws were effective about classifying a Black person in America, if a vast majority of these people in the particular places who you claim to have been white could have atleast an ancestor of African decent, doesn't that make them black also? (And I use that term loosly because brasil tends to have classifcations for all colors and ethnic backgrounds.)Or are you just calling pale white faces from the brown skin as you see em? If you're European or from any other country, then I can understand how you gathered your accessment, but not as an American. I could see how in Brasil, the Thurgood Marshalls, the Charles Drews & Duke Ellingtons could all "possibly" pass as white or Morena Clara but here in the good ole U. S. of A. *#@dammit we're all the same. LOL!
Damn you beat me to it. LOL! Bravo This gotta be the truest shit you ever wrote.
I can't even count how many times I've been told "I don't like ...(insert a nationalaity here)" I don't believe that shit though, and personally found it annoying. I assumed they tell all of their "potential" clients something derrogatory about every creed culture or whatever that's in the competition. Duh, oh really? It's all part of the game. I would love to tell the funny story of relevance between me and a little Italian man on the beach. ET, I didn't think someone would be nieve enough to actuall believe this crap. LOL! Wake me up when you hear this from enough regular chicks that don't live near Zona Sul. Then I'll start to worry. I've spent as much time in the North as I have near Copacabana and I've gotten nothing but love. I believe it's up to the individual though.
Okay ET you're an American right? Well judging by American Standards and how the Jim Crow laws were effective about classifying a Black person in America, if a vast majority of these people in the particular places who you claim to have been white could have atleast an ancestor of African decent, doesn't that make them black also? (And I use that term loosly because brasil tends to have classifcations for all colors and ethnic backgrounds.)Or are you just calling pale white faces from the brown skin as you see em? If you're European or from any other country, then I can understand how you gathered your accessment, but not as an American. I could see how in Brasil, the Thurgood Marshalls, the Charles Drews & Duke Ellingtons could all "possibly" pass as white or Morena Clara but here in the good ole U. S. of A. *#@dammit we're all the same. LOL!I knew you guys were out there somewhere lol GREAT reading I knew I wouldn't have to say a word lol, someone been drinking to much of the KOOL AIDE lol
Kid Cisco
El Austriaco
04-15-06, 19:00
I can't even count how many times I've been told "I don't like ...(insert a nationality here)" I don't believe that shit though, and personally found it annoying. I assumed they tell all of their "potential" clients something derrogatory about every creed culture or whatever that's in the competition. Duh, oh really? It's all part of the game.
Over the years, I have learned a few absolute truths about the GDPs (whether in Copacabana, Brazil in general, or elsewhere). One of them is that you can safely assume that pretty much anything a P4P provider tells you is basically a lie, ESPECIALLY when saying so benefits her in one way or another:
She doesn't like (insert any nationality)?
Sure, meaning... but I like you, of course (eyes rolling).
She doesn't usually go to Help?
Sure, meaning... this is a special opportunity for you (sales pressure on).
She isn't really a GDP, just a student making money on the side?
Sure... meaning... here is your college girl fantasy.
She usually goes to Europe to work?
Sure, meaning... I like money.. a lot.
She usually charges R$ 400?
Sure, meaning... I think you are a sucker, and if you're stupid enough to pay it, I´ll take it... thank you very much.
She's only been around a week or two?
Sure, meaning... you look so inexperienced to me that you will actually believe this BS, but you fantasize about a non-pro... here you got it.
Does anything of this have anything to do with the truth? Who knows... can you check? Not really.
I don't remember anymore who originally said this, but: believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see. You will fare well heeding this advice in Copacabana.
EA
And, I have heard from several sources that the Brazilian Consulates General in the US are making it harder for African Americans to get visas.
First of all, I'm not going to touch this race discussion with a 10 foot pole, why can't we just stick to what this site is about?
Second of all, I was going to question ET about 'making it harder' for African Americans to get visas, when I remembered something: when applying for their visa, did anyone else here have to submit a photo of yourself with the application? I remember going to the consulate in San Francisco with my application, but the employee there wouldn't accept it without a photo. Luckily, I just drove to some photo shop and got it taken, and then they accepted my application, but the question is, why do they need a picture of you with the visa application? I'm thinking maybe this is one way they can deny certain applicants? Anyone have any ideas?
Enzhino..this is standard, a picture id is normally required when applying for a visa to most countries.
you guys beat me to the punch..
ET..I am simply amazed by your surreal disillusionment when it comes to these women. You bring up some valid points but other statements are way off base. I think that others have adequately addressed this issue. As for me,
***I travel to fulfill my fantasy of fucking stunningly beautiful women for little or no money****
enjoy your time in Copa and take it for what is it--a fantasyland.
.
LMAO, I'm Black, have been to Brazil numerous times, in particular Rio, and have never been on any plane in which half the passengers were African American, not even close, in any season. Plus, I have many friends who have been there and they also say the same thing. What's up with this nonsense?
Any Black person familiar with Brazil should know that it's a country of color but also a vile, racist entity, the evidence is in plain sight, unless you're blind.
What's going on here with this bs about Black people and Brazil?
Papa Wahala
04-15-06, 19:47
All I can say is that I am an African-American male and was just at the Brazilian consulate in a major US city. The gent handling my visa paperwork was both friendly, professional and very helpful and made a point of telling me that I do not have to pay the $100 fee because of my passport status if I brought in documentation from my office affirming the nature of my trip in May.
On three occaisons he reminded me that I did not have to pay the $100 if I just added the letter to my application; something he did not have to do as I will be in Brazil more for vacation than work.
Having traveled to 30 countries in Africa, throughout the Middle East, Thailand last year and now Brazil; the one common and universal thread I have seen is that being polite, respectful and knowledgeable about the people and country you are going to visit is what makes or breaks ones trip.
In all my travels and international mongering, I have been seen as a worldly American with money in my pocket. My being African-American has just been the extra cherry on top!!
First of all, I'm not going to touch this race discussion with a 10 foot pole, why can't we just stick to what this site is about?
Second of all, I was going to question ET about 'making it harder' for African Americans to get visas, when I remembered something: when applying for their visa, did anyone else here have to submit a photo of yourself with the application? I remember going to the consulate in San Francisco with my application, but the employee there wouldn't accept it without a photo. Luckily, I just drove to some photo shop and got it taken, and then they accepted my application, but the question is, why do they need a picture of you with the visa application? I'm thinking maybe this is one way they can deny certain applicants? Anyone have any ideas?
I imagine the picture is for their records. If they wanted to deny visa to certain people based on looks, there already is a picture in the passport, right?
i am black, my friends are black, we recieved our visas without questions or problems. when i was there in the last week of march, there were numerous black people, so much i wondered if i had stumbled upon a secret season, the lady who rented us our apartment (very nice 3 bedroom, ocean view and there were only 3 of us, so no overcrowding like typical african americans(were do they get these perceptions from??) was actually struggling to accomodate her guests, because of the vast amount, and they were all black. so i guess they didn't get the memo on the new visa policy. white brasilians caring about black men coming to their country to talk to black women is not even on their radar, utter bullshit! they don't care about the darker skinned people in their culture across the board. please, i ask all forum members to stop relaying their inside information about the opinions women have of different nationalities and races, it only divides us and gives the perception to people who would like to visit that they are unwelcome, which is untrue. i am jamaican and when i tell the women (white and black) they gush for minutes and ask me questions and tell me how they love my culture and so on.. does that mean i should come back and tell everyone my nationality is the preferred one above everyone else. rio is a large enough city that you can find many diverse opinions of about any topic. so stop with the social commentary of you is accepted and who isn't.
on the subject of the trip:
1. 4x4 is still the best deal out, with alot more 9's than one can pic from
2. cancun is hot also, same price
3. i find the cheaper places contain alot of suprises, sometimes on par with the 400r asking women at help, in fact i believe they are the same, price in brasil is based strictly on the environment not beauty(solely). those who ask 150r per hour from nitgata.com will show up in help and give you a one-two sex session for 300r-400r, i saw a girl in one of the 10r/10min places that would run circles around the usual princesses at prive or snatch here in miami.
4. for those who chastise getting streetwalkers, they walk right into help and transform into your own helpee dream at 300% markup, enjoy!!
5. local clubs are cool, we went to lapa and had a ball hanging off the pro circuit, we also went to baronetti, music was good but the women were subpar and this is one of the premier clubs in the city, sky lounge gets the same verdict. upperclass brasilians aren't the hottest, it is a status thing not looks (or maybe just not to my preference). barra da tijuca is like pembroke pines but with beautiful beaches and they have a great baile funk party on sundays. don't come off the pro circuit if you don't speak portuguese. i lost my voice on the 4th day from translating for my friends and the new friends we met on the trip.
6. please learn the language, i had to mediate between some guys staying in our building, the cops and two crooked broads from help who tried to hustle these guys out of 400r just for dancing with them at the club. we worked it out, but if they could communicate with them from the club they probably would have cleared things up without them haveing to pay the cops 18r just for the problem to go away. that being said we experienced no problems from anyone on our trip. no robberies, no excessive begging(not more than in miami) no overcharging... it was a pleasurable trip except for the weather, which wasn't sunny until the day of our departure.
6. 400r is too much to spend on anything especially @ 28 years old (and in great shape) while help is nice to go to aftergoing to a non-pro club earlier, i wouldn't depend on that place, my friend met a beauty in help that came home for 100r until noon the next day and came by on other occasions for free, while others told me of neverending issues(probably because of the language issues).
thanks to ronnyron and mrblac on the apartment and sperto for the low budget list.
Exec Talent
04-15-06, 21:50
you have not found one. Just two weeks ago, a newbie was here. I asked him what kind of girls he liked and called a termas to see if some girls I knew he would like were working. I also asked them to look out for him and call him a cab when he was ready to leave. I hailed a cab on the street for him, told the cabbie where to take him and wished him luck. To me he seemed to be a nice guy and as it so happened, he was African American.
I have been around and tend to get to know the girls in the business on a personal level. In the states, strippers and escorts alike tell me that they do not want to see African American clients. And, this sometimes comes from African American strippers and escorts.
Many guys think that all these girls see is green. Well, it seems in the case of African Americans that is true because the main reason I am told that the girls do not want to see African Americans is because they don't have any money. As for how light skinned Brazilians see African Americans, I stand by my earlier statements because just looking around, it is so obviously true.
My main concern now is for ANYONE who is coming to Rio. Please be extra careful. Things around Copacabana just don't feel the same. The 14-17 year-old beggars are not taking no for an answer and just walking away. I see plenty of lookers on the streets, but they are not working girls. I have not been to a termas this visit, but my sources say that a lot of the lookers there have left looking for greener pastures.
Another thing that I have never ever seen before and experienced first hand is the crack down on illegal street vendors. Saw it on Copacabana beach two weekend days in a row and last night with the vendors across from Help. Municipal workers were checking licenses which are now prominently displayed. If a guy can no longer walk around selling T-shirts, hats and purses without getting busted, what are his options?
I think very few pro's can be choosy about the race of their customers, and they propably don't care that much. They are selling a service and they need their customers.
What affects the price you'll pay might be your age, charm, appearance, knowledge of Portuguese, ability to negotiate, your manners and your nationality. Race doesn't matter that much.
This forum is about women and not a battlefield of race discussions between white and African Americans. Please, lets go on discussing bundas.
Charm City Dave
04-15-06, 22:43
I have been going to Rio on and off for over 10 years now. I now only go when I HAVE to go for business purposes. I stay in my hotel and call a scort. It's fun, but no way would I fly down for it.
I used to love Rio for three reasons.
1) I had a great time living there and enjoying a Beach vacation.
2) The cheapness of P4P was so liberating in that you didn't give a 2nd thought to buying yourself a girlfriend for an hour or two. Gee 10 years ago I could do it a few times a day lol.
3) Getting yourself a GDP was almost a lock an a great sexual experience.
That has changed.
1) The current climate of crime and fear in Rio just make it not a fun place to be. Yes crime happens everywhere, but some places are worse than others and Rio is worse than almost all of them.
2) The current exchange rate makes Rio not so cheap. When you factor in travel and lodging costs, getting laid in Rio could cost you more than in most American cities
3) You can still get a great lay in Rio, but many girls are jaded. Years ago a covered BJ was unheard of. I hear guys complaining more and more about it. 10 years ago or yesterday, a GDP was there to make money, but 10 years ago they made much more of an effort to help you forget that.
Want to pay for it, you can save yourself the airfare and hastles and get it here. There are many boards now that review the working girls here in the states and you can find out exactly what you are going to get, before spend a dime. You can even find Brazilian Garotas working here in most places and read a review of the program they provide. Yes you might spend twice what you would spend in Rio, but after all the other costs, it will actually be less.
Now I expect there will be a flood of replies to this email. Rio is great. There is no crime or danger. Women walking down the street are throwing themselves at Americans. Be aware that there is a group of expats and Brazilians in Rio who make their living off of Gringos that go down there. They will continue to paint a unrealistic picture.
CCD
JoshJosh69
04-15-06, 22:57
There is a feeling to Rio, a lifestyle, Brasilian habits, portuguese language, there are many things that make Rio unique. Those of us who love it, love all of it, not just the fact that I can sleep with more beautiful, hot, horney, lovely women than where I live in New York City. I have fallen in love with Rio, with the language, with the culture, and certainly with the girls. Rio is not for everyone, and I am not disputing the crime there. For me a beach go-er, a risk taker and a love of fine pussy, Rio is for me.
El Austriaco
04-15-06, 23:21
Yes crime happens everywhere, but some places are worse than others and Rio is worse than almost all of them.
Based on what? True, crime statistics for Rio as a metropolitan area are bad, but specifically in the areas tourists hang out, i.e. mostly Copacabana and Ipanema, RIO certainly is not worse than almost all of them. The sleazy areas of Copacabana, sure, they have been problematic for quite a while, as correctly pointed out by many on this board. But maybe you have more up-to-date crime statistics.
Here is a good article regarding Rio: http://brazzil.com/2003/html/news/articles/jun03/p130jun03.htm
Want to pay for it, you can save yourself the airfare and hastles and get it here. There are many boards now that review the working girls here in the states and you can find out exactly what you are going to get, before spend a dime. You can even find Brazilian Garotas working here in most places and read a review of the program they provide. Yes you might spend twice what you would spend in Rio, but after all the other costs, it will actually be less.
Only if you don´t get caught by law enforcement. Just to be fair, provided you use P4P services in a place where it is against the law, like many places in the US.
Rio is great. There is no crime or danger. Women walking down the street are throwing themselves at Americans. Be aware that there is a group of expats and Brazilians in Rio who make their living off of Gringos that go down there. They will continue to paint a unrealistic picture.
IMHO, Rio is great for both P4P and non-P4P. Others might disagree, but that is my opinion. I don´t recall anyone ever saying that there was no crime or danger, quite to the contrary, actually, or that women were throwing themselves at foreigners in the streets. Yeah, there are expats etc. who make their livelihood with gringos... can you point us to any specific cases of deliberate misinformation provided by them? IMHO, I guess the one painting an unrealistic picture is you. Just for the record, I have no interest whatsoever in not calling things the way I see them, monetary or otherwise. Perhaps we just disagree.
Exec Talent
04-15-06, 23:35
before I get my plane. I just went out to the street and ran into a friend. During our conversation, a kid (about 15) came up and got in my face asking for money. In the past all it would have taken was a look, this time he just would not go away even after I say no several times. Finally, my friend stood between us and he walked away. This has happened almost any time I am on the street and standing. Last night it was getting an ice cream at Bob's. In all the years I have been coming to Rio, it has never been like this.
I am not an alarmist, just hope people will be careful.
I have been reading all these posts about Rio going down hill, all the crime, people asking for money, taxi drivers ripping people off, it makes me laugh. I have been going to Rio for 26 years, things have not changed, all those things were true about Rio then too the same as now believe me and it was even worse in the early 90's and more expensive until they let the currency float free until the late 90's.
Member #4156
04-16-06, 01:25
Many guys think that all these girls see is green. Well, it seems in the case of African Americans that is true because the main reason I am told that the girls do not want to see African Americans is because they don't have any money.
Forgive me if I'm reading into this the wrong way but you may be backwards if I'm not mistaken. Maybe it's harder for a garota to land a deal with the brothers cause we tend not to pay the high asking prices? **Shrugs shoulders** ET, I'm sure you're an intelligent dude enough to think with your own mind and not someone else's. I mean, qual idiota (white, black, yellow, puerto rican, anglo, or hattian) would fly 5000 across the world just to show up without any money. LOL! C'mon man.
Based on your assessments and observations and what you have been told, then if I may apply that same logic to my experience with what I was told by the only garota that I pulled from Meia Pataca, (who might I add just left a table full of rude and abnoxious Euros) then this seems to be the case with white guys too. She told me she don't like dealing with white guys (especially from Europe) because they never have money for girl. Those were the word that came out of her mouth. But, if I was a dumb gringo, I would've been nieve enough repeat what she told me or even post it on a public message board as if it were generally true in all cases. Ugh!
I can tell you another story, Aug 05' I was in Help just chilling, occasionally dancing, not really looking for a lay for the night but just enjoying the fake adulation (obviously). I was approached by this thin morena (clearly not my type) who said to me while rubbing the bottom part of my face: "I don't like Blackee men but you have beautiful lips" and repeated atleast one more time before walking off. I laughed. Fast forward >> 6 months later, I ran into her again. The first time (early afternoon) I was sitting at the Terraco and guess who comes walking by with her client who appeared to be a young brother from the States. She notices me and turns back to wink an blow kisses several times. Seen her that same night in Help and she asked how come I didn't speak to her earlier during the day or call her over. I told her "Não me lembre, não? Você já me disse que me não gosta." In the middle of her explaining, I laughed and walked off.
Don't get me wrong ET, I'm not trying to flame you. I'm just trying to decifer what you find to be true or what is "Game" that these broads tend to spit at their potential investments. I would have you cracking up for days if I posted the nonsense that I was told while I was being "Gamed" by a garota. Up until now, I didn't actually think anybody would believe the things that come out of these girls mouths enough to repeat it. So with all that said, my question to you ET, is do you believe all of what you hear and half of what you see?
I stay in my hotel and call a scort. It's fun, but no way would I fly down for it.
Sounds very fun to me.
The current climate of crime and fear in Rio just make it not a fun place to be. Yes crime happens everywhere, but some places are worse than others and Rio is worse than almost all of them.
As long as you stay in Zona Sul you'll be quite safe.
Want to pay for it, you can save yourself the airfare and hastles and get it here.
Excellent idea!
Another thing that I have never ever seen before and experienced first hand is the crack down on illegal street vendors. Saw it on Copacabana beach two weekend days in a row and last night with the vendors across from Help. Municipal workers were checking licenses which are now prominently displayed. If a guy can no longer walk around selling T-shirts, hats and purses without getting busted, what are his options?
It's nothing new that fiscais check if the vendors have licenses.
These horror stories about how dangerous Rio become, aggressive beggars and street-kids etc are just crap. Rio isn't more dangerous now than 15 years ago. It's the opposite.
But of course there will always be some mongers that looks like easy prey and get hustled more than others.
I will be headed to Rio within two weeks , at the end of April. I need all the info possible about Help Disco and the Termas.
Charm City Dave
04-16-06, 03:33
[QUOTE=Sperto]Sounds very fun to me.
As long as you stay in Zona Sul you'll be quite safe.
Boy it was quicker than I thought!!!! The Rio touts are coming out of the woodwork. Zona Sul safe??? I was held up at gun point 5 years ago on Rua Siqueira Campos. And that was before things got as bad as they are now.
Avenida Atlantico has become a free fire zone. Just read about it. Yea Yahoo lies. http://au.news.yahoo.com/060407/15/yily.html
I lived in NY for 20 years. I never saw a gun. I never heard a gun fired. In Rio you can hear the gun fire every night. That most of it is in the favela (a whole 300 yards away) is of little comfort to me. Only takes one bullet to ruin my day.
Theres a old saying sometimes all you have to do is just sit back and don't say anything and just allow a person to do all the talking in this case all the posting and they will sooner or later put their foot in their mouth or show their true colors LOL
I am enjoying reading these posts from some of these guys I feel good to see so many well informed guys from all walks of life that have travel and that have gone to Rio and can come back and post WHAT THEY SEEN with their own eyes, and not just take a word from someone that only speaks to and deal with strippers and termas working girls and over price Club help girls and then post what those types of people say as facts or they speaks for all of the people of Brazil LOL what a joke.
If I haven't been going to Rio and Brazil for decades and just read some of the B. S. That been posted about what some termas girl told her Trick/John for the night I would maybe be dumb and believe the B. S. LOL
But, since so many other guys have gone and been to Rio I am gald that you guys are posting what you have seen and speak about your dealings in the Copo area thanks for posting Kedleson, Vampyr, Papa Wahala, Hambreeg and the others.
I was in the Navy for many years and whenever I had shore duty and went out with the local police and walk around the bars and clubs etc. In the different countries I was station in at the time.
One thing most if not all the local police and people that ran the clubs and bars would always say was that they really liked and loved the way the African Americans sailors would carry themshevles by not causing troubles or getting into fights or getting drunk out of their minds and the way they respected the females (pros and non pros) and the way the treated the locals and that they were welcome to come in their clubs at anytime.
After years of being station overseas from Thailand to Germany I can't even count a single time I ever had to arrest a single African American sailor! , with that said there was times and many times that African Americans sailors were allow to enter clubs and bars when others were told those same clubs were private and turn away.
This is something I seen with my own eyes not something some working girl told me, all I can say is most people want you to respect their country and the people if you do that you shouldn't have any trouble no matter what color you are.
Kid Cisco
there is no such thing as an african american, Only Americans.
I wish more Americans would realize this.
El Austriaco
04-16-06, 04:09
I thought I'd do the community the favor and checked the entire postings of Charm City Dave, which isn´t all that difficult with only 31 to his name. Turns out that his very first post was about the incident when HE was robbed at gunpoint on Rua Siqueira Campos one night back in 2003. Now that explains a lot. Ever since, all his contributions except for three or four have been regarding crime and safety in Rio, basically regurgitating the same message over and over again ever since: Rio is getting worse and worse and worse. By his own admission, he has taken Rio off his list of destinations and not been back since. Seems we got someone with an agenda here. Or a lingering trauma.
Wanna see whether crime is REALLY getting worse in Rio and where? In Portuguese only: the latest crime report (January 2006) by the Rio de Janeiro State Ministry of Public Security, Institute of Public Security (ISP). With comparative data for a 15-year period, in different crime categories, different areas of the city.
http://urutau.proderj.rj.gov.br/isp/admin/paginas/upboletim/2006_01_Bol.pdf
EA
P.S.: CCD, I am very sorry what happened to you. Sincerely.
I feel that it is a complete waste of time to do something like get on a plane and fly 16 hours, just to complain about how bad it is. Some people will always see that glass as half empty. If you do not like what you see when you get to Brazil stay home or choose another destination.
Papa Wahala
04-16-06, 04:32
What pray tell should one say to the Irish-Americans on St Patrick's Day, Italian-Americans on Chris Columbus Day, Hispanic Americans on Cinquo de Mayo, etc.
If a person chooses to identify himself as an African-American, that is his choice and he certainly does not need anyone else's validation. Freedom of association, one of the great tenets of being American.
Cheers and happy mongering.
Charm City Dave
04-16-06, 04:37
I thought I'd do the community the favor and checked the entire postings of Charm City Dave, which isn´t all that difficult with only 31 to his name. Turns out that his very first post was about the incident when HE was robbed at gunpoint on Rua Siqueira Campos one night. Now that explains a lot. Ever since, his entire contributions have been regarding crime and safety in Rio, basically regurgitating the same message ever since: Rio is getting worse and worse and worse. By his own admission, he has taken Rio off his list of destinations ever since. Seems we got someone with an agenda here.
EA
What agenda could I have? I don't make any money when someone decides not to go to Rio. Someone is going to get killed thinking they are going to pussy paradise based on some of the nonsense spouted on this board. If letting people know the down side to going to Rio is an agenda, then I am guilty as charged. I never said that one can't have great sex in Rio. But I have said and stand by my position that is just is not worth it. It used to be, but no longer is.
As for the saftey of Rio, lets see what EA has said in previous posts about Rio. He states that whether one is a victim is simply a matter of luck. Well getting laid isn't and never has been worth risking ones life. Of course the odd of getting killed are low. Your chances of getting shit thrown on your shoe or swarmed by a pack of teenagers is pretty high. What a fun vacation! Add that, the expense and the atmosphere in Rio and there are just so many better ways to spend your entertainment dollar. Isn't that what this board is about. Providing info for fellow travellers to help people decide where (or where not) to go?
So there you have it, two personal experiences of mine to add to the security incidents reported here. In addition, I was also on the ground in Rio when the shoot-out happened at the entrance to the Pavão/Pavãozinho favela in Copacabana this week, and I can confirm that the locals here were pretty concerned about how this shook down. Just today, I read in O Globo that one guy whose picture had been printed holding a gun during the early-morning shooting has been arrested after robbing an American tourist on Copacabana beach.
But the thing is, things like that have happened before in Rio and in Copacabana, and they will happen again, unfortunately. Whether this will affect you is merely a matter of luck (good or bad). In 2004, when I spent three-months-and-a-half in Rio, during a shootout one afternoon, a hand grenade was dropped onto Barata Ribeiro, and a waiter in a restaurant on the asfalto was hit by a stray bullet from the favela above. Avenida Niemeyer has been shut down on numerous occasions because of fighting in Vidigal, to say nothing about Rocinha. During the summer of 2004, a group of adolescents robbed several tourists on Leblon beach, one of the fanciest areas of Rio. And so on and so forth.
EA
El Austriaco
04-16-06, 05:03
Isn't that what this board is about. Providing info for fellow travellers to help people decide where (or where not) to go?
Yes, it is. CCD, you really should do better research on my prior posts. I was one of the first people here on this board to report the Copacabana shootout. And as you quoted, I recently listed two attempted robberies of me by street kids. Back in 2004, I wrote an extremely lengthy safety primer for Rio. I am the last one to pick on for downplaying the risks of Rio. And in this spirit, I will continue to say what I have been saying: statistics do NOT indicate that crime is on the rise in Rio. Read the report. I just posted the link.
Also, please quote me correctly: I did NOT write that "whether one is a victim is simply a matter of luck." I wrote, referring to the recent Copacabana shootout: "But the thing is, things like that have happened before in Rio and in Copacabana, and they will happen again, unfortunately. Whether this will affect you is merely a matter of luck (good or bad)." In a shootout like the one where an innocent bystander was killed at Balcony bar, it is just a matter of luck, yes it is. To tell you the truth, I was pretty shocked to hear this news, considering that I had just been to Balcony four days before. It could have been me, had I been there that afternoon. It really could have been anyone of us.
But does this mean that in Rio, all or even most violence/crime is random? No, of course not. Why would I write a lengthy list of safety recommendations a while back, including specific things everyone can do to improve his personal safety level in Rio, if I thought that ultimately, most crime in Rio was random? This really doesn´t make any sense.
What´s this obsession with suspecting a hidden agenda behind anyone daring to criticize your assertion that crime is on the rise in Rio?
You are right, it is about providing info. Balanced, factual, up-to-date info - not just a personal impression derived from a personal incident with you almost three years ago. Nothing wrong with telling people about the downsides of Rio, but:
- You claim crime is getting worse in Rio? The numbers show it isn´t. The perception that crime is worsening, that´s a different story (http://oglobo.globo.com/jornal/rio/246844247.asp)
- You claim Rio is one of the most crime-ridden cities in the world? You know, based on 2003 numbers for homicides per 100,000 inhabitants, Rio had pretty much the same rate as Washington, DC, and quite a bit less than New Orleans.
- You claim Avenida Atlântica is a fire zone right now? It isn´t. When I was living in San Francisco, I remember a daylight shootout between rival Chinese gangs on Stockton street one morning. Does that make SF a warzone, too in your eyes?
- You claim those who disagree with your personal assessment of Rio´s security situation have something to gain from people coming to Rio? Maybe some. Does that make your assessment right? No, it doesn´t. Especially when the last time you were in Rio was in 2003.
OK, no more off-topic talk from me.
EA
Does anyone have anything constructive to add to this board about the ladies or the scene in Rio this weekend?? I just wasted 20 minutes of my night catching up on the days posts and all it was today was race and crime. I would love to hear how Help was or anything else GDP related.
I agree with lancer, these post belong in the crime section. i'll post here for more to see.
the Oglobo article El Austriaco provided a link for, reports the finding of a Study conducted by the Brazillian Institute for Social Research. those findings are: 51% of Rio's residents would move elsewhere, if they could, because of the increased in violence. 80% of the residents in Zona Sul would move. every minute, 5 thefts or robberies occur. 34% of residents don't go out at nite.
the rosy part of the research: 96.37% of residents have not been victims of
crime.
now back to trip and GDP reports.
JustGotBack
04-16-06, 08:00
there is no such thing as an african american, Only Americans.
I totally agree. But sadly you get those classification from both sides. When I meet someone that calls themselves african american, I ask where in Africa they are from. When they say they've never been there, I just say "Doesn't that just make you American then?"
When it comes time to fill out the race section on forms, I just put "other" and scribble in "American".
there is no such thing as an african american, Only Americans.
What about Italian Americans? or Irish Americans? Ever hear those terms before? Or do they not exist either?
I was on Ipanema beach, such a beautiful day, I went to leave and sat on a bench to put my shoes on and all of a sudden shooting started to happen on the beach, a shootout.
My friend said to me lets go as the whole beach got up and was running for their life and a guy was coming towards us with a gun in his hand. We ran with thousands of people through the streets in total chaos and fear, I ran all the way to Copacabana.
When we got to our hotel my friend looked at my back and said your shot, I had blood dripping down my back but luckily it wasn't mine, no wounds.
Yes Rio is the wild west and it is getting worse as people say here but this shootout occurred in 1982, not much has changed and I can go on and on, its all the same , don't think that what is happenning now just started now, it has been this way for years, you either know it and deal with it or don't come.
Exec Talent
04-16-06, 13:51
I hardly am a Rio newbie. I made my money by being observant and being ahead of the curve. You once a year Rio visitors or those with other agendas can say what you want, but when people who are natives say it is worse. It IS worse.
Coming to Rio -- walk with friends, take taxis, be extra careful and observant. I have to say leaving Copacabana this time that this is the first time I really was concerned for my safety walking the streets. And, I am someone who takes daily walks on the beach and who knows a lot of locals.
As for checking vendor licenses, someone is on a mission. I have never seen the police sweeping the beach along with the municipal employees before or them checking vendor licenses at night across from Help.
I have no dog in this fight or an agenda, I am just an observer and reporter of events.
Papa Wahala
04-16-06, 14:12
no such thing as african-americans. quite a george bush like statement with its arrogance and ignorance! america uber alles i guess! what bs.
to the comment of what country are you from in africa, i know many of irish-americans, italian-americans, jewish-americans, etc who cannot tell me what town or village they hail from when their forefathers and mothers left the old country to find a new life in america following the progroms in russia, potato famine in ireland or the religious persecutions throughout europe.
just recently, spike lee made the effort to check on his family tree and based on dna assessment, determined that his ancestry comes from west africa. i don't know if he is being played but commend him for making the effort to reconnect with his african roots.
as mentioned before, while i was born and raised in the usa, i have lived and/or traveled to 30 countries on the african continent. i may not be able to tell you which of the 56 countries my ancestors came from, but i know a lot about a continent that white and black americans look down on even when most of them don't know jack sh**t.
i am not here to educate. if you are black and don't want to be called an african-american, thats cool. but show some respect to those of us who are not conflicted by the fact that we recognize and are proud of our duality of being african and american. you will find that most of us who have this pride are highly educated and productive citizens who conduct ourselves with dignity and self-respect both at home and abroad. many us of more than qualify as members of web dubois' talented tenth.
i could care less if non-african-americans are uncomfortable or disagree with this self-description. as equals and peers, i for one do not need nor seek their validation about how i choose to present myself to the world.
finally, for a forum that is supposed to exchange info on p4p in rio, there has been an inordinate amount of misnformed and insulting postings directed against african-americans. from the blatant and ignorant provocative racist invectives to the so called "just calling it as i see itl" race-based commentary (african-americans being deported from brazil, garotas don't dig the brothers because they have no money); i have had my fill with attempts by some of the white americans on this forum to try to put down african-americans as they try to promote a pseudo-superiority complex because they are intimidated and feeling insecure by the notion of competing with "the brothers" on the mongering scene in brazil.
its a new world out there baby and african-americans are and will be a part of it. if you can't hang with that, that's too bad because the world does not revolve around you!
i am off to brazil in may and am done discussing this issue in this forum.
la lutta continua!
[QUOTE=Sperto]Sounds very fun to me.
I lived in NY for 20 years. I never saw a gun. I never heard a gun fired. In Rio you can hear the gun fire every night. That most of it is in the favela (a whole 300 yards away) is of little comfort to me. Only takes one bullet to ruin my day.
Please clarify NY!! Do you mean Long Island? Brooklyn? Buffalo?
I know you must not be blind to the daily news on Channel 2, 4, 5, 9, & 11 (if you live in New York City's five borough) and the "always guaranteed" robberies, shootout, police killings, car chase and the occasional night club drive by shooting!!!
on the subject of the trip:
1. 4x4 is still the best deal out, with alot more 9's than one can pic from
2. cancun is hot also, same price
3. i find the cheaper places contain alot of suprises, sometimes on par with the 400r asking women at help, in fact i believe they are the same, price in brasil is based strictly on the environment not beauty(solely). those who ask 150r per hour from nitgata.com will show up in help and give you a one-two sex session for 300r-400r, i saw a girl in one of the 10r/10min places that would run circles around the usual princesses at prive or snatch here in miami.
4. for those who chastise getting streetwalkers, they walk right into help and transform into your own helpee dream at 300% markup, enjoy!!
5. local clubs are cool, we went to lapa and had a ball hanging off the pro circuit, we also went to baronetti, music was good but the women were subpar and this is one of the premier clubs in the city, sky lounge gets the same verdict. upperclass brasilians aren't the hottest, it is a status thing not looks (or maybe just not to my preference). barra da tijuca is like pembroke pines but with beautiful beaches and they have a great baile funk party on sundays. don't come off the pro circuit if you don't speak portuguese. i lost my voice on the 4th day from translating for my friends and the new friends we met on the trip.
6. please learn the language, i had to mediate between some guys staying in our building, the cops and two crooked broads from help who tried to hustle these guys out of 400r just for dancing with them at the club. we worked it out, but if they could communicate with them from the club they probably would have cleared things up without them haveing to pay the cops 18r just for the problem to go away. that being said we experienced no problems from anyone on our trip. no robberies, no excessive begging(not more than in miami) no overcharging... it was a pleasurable trip except for the weather, which wasn't sunny until the day of our departure.
6. 400r is too much to spend on anything especially @ 28 years old (and in great shape) while help is nice to go to aftergoing to a non-pro club earlier, i wouldn't depend on that place, my friend met a beauty in help that came home for 100r until noon the next day and came by on other occasions for free, while others told me of neverending issues(probably because of the language issues).
thanks to ronnyron and mrblac on the apartment and sperto for the low budget list.
now this is what i call an update. nice work!!!
did you stop by club six in lapa? the secret to baronechi is to go there with a college-type chick (very easy to find in rio sul- portugese is a must if you want to pull these girls) and let her introduce you to the girls. never, ever tell them you stay in copa until the day she agrees to meet you. they look and talk snubbish but once your "girl" brakes the ice and they see you speak portuguese........you will really need the policia to get them off you.
ps: the bar/restaurant right across from solarium is the best kept secret in town. don't bother gong to this joint if you don't speak portuguese!!!
Papa Wahala
04-16-06, 17:00
Dollar,
Without going into details, (anonymity has it place) Papa Wahala is the nickname the ladies gave me during my stint in Lagos, Nigeria.
For those not in the know, Wahala is a Yoruba word which means "trouble" and the ladies gave me the name as a term of endearment because my rep was that I went out of my way to make sure the ladies I mongered with always had a fun time whenever we got together.
Peace and happy mongering.
Charm City Dave
04-16-06, 17:09
[QUOTE=Charm City Dave]
Please clarify NY!! Do you mean Long Island? Brooklyn? Buffalo?
I know you must not be blind to the daily news on Channel 2, 4, 5, 9, & 11 (if you live in New York City's five borough) and the "always guaranteed" robberies, shootout, police killings, car chase and the occasional night club drive by shooting!!!
This is exactly what I was talking about. I lived on E9th Street just north of Washington Square park. I worked in midtown. Of course there is crime in NY, but is is no where near the crime levels in Rio. Soap Operas shot in NY do not kill off cast members by having a star shot in a random shooting. In NY it would not be beleiveable. In Rio that is what they did in one of the most popular Soaps. Of course I saw crime on the news. But it did not effect my life for 20 years. I doubt you could be in Rio for 20 days and not have it effect you one way or another.
Murder rates per 100K where three times as high in Rio as they where in NY in 2003. Yes there are some cities in the US that are comparable. Let's compare DC and Rio. Both have high murder rates. In DC though the authorities keep it out of the tourist areas. You won't see packs of homeless kids roaming the Washington mall demanding money from tourists. You won't see snatch ang grabs. There are not shoe shine guys thowing crap on peoples shoes and then demanding $100 to wipe it off. Your not going to hear the automatic weapon fire 300 yards from your hotel as you go to sleep at night.
And it is not just the statistics one can rely one. I am sure crime is a lot more under reported Rio as most know that it is a waste of time to involve the Police. But as Exec Tallent pointed out it is not just the crime but the threat of crime and the hastles that IMOP make Rio a less desirable destination.
- You claim Avenida Atlântica is a fire zone right now? It isn´t. When I was living in San Francisco, I remember a daylight shootout between rival Chinese gangs on Stockton street one morning. Does that make SF a warzone, too in your eyes?
EA
EA compares San Fran to Rio because there was a shoot out in SF some years ago. In SF do they close the road to the airport because cars are getting hit by gun fire? Do gangs throw granades at hotels and shopping malls? Are police stations attacked and their armories raided? Do cab drivers rob tourists coming in from the airport? Are whole buses of tourists kidnapped and robbed? Are buses hijacked and burned? You can walk on Fishermans's Warf without getting repeated hastled, hustled and threatened. This is exactly what I am talking about. I'm sorry and I would not want to be offensive but comparing Rio to SF is obsurd. It are comments like that which make me question the motives of the poster.
Hey want to go to Rio. Go. If you have been there before recently you know what you are getting yourself into. Have a great time and stay safe. But this board has a large readership. I would hate to have someone going thinking Rio it is Miami beach with free flowing tail.
BTW I was last in Rio in November of last year. It was business, but I stayed at the Marriott in Copa (client made the reservations or I never would have stayed in Copa). The hotel was ok. The girl who came over from Company Girl was good (though not great and not anything I could not have delivered to my room in almost any city in the world). I went for a 30 minute walk down Ave Atlantica. There where many men or groups of men sizing me up waiting for an opportunity. I may be strange, but that just is not my idea of a fun place.
CDC
These are all subjects that are worthy of conversation, however not the purpose of the forum. It is true that they do come up, but it is more an effort to create division (or distinction) than to promote the purpose of the forum.
They are all distinctly different.
Now that the issue of race has once again been debunked. Can someone please provide a report, which might actually help those of us who love going to RIO? New club, terma, apartment connection, restuarant or anything you have experienced in the last 30-90 days that would make my next stay better. Any takers...? For the record I agree with those who stated that the girls will tell you pretty much whatever they sense you want to hear, which is why I keep going back. I love it. Tell me where else can you go and have beautiful women crater to your every want and need? Meet a girl and two hours later she is feeding you dinner & desert while sitting in your apartment wearing only a g-string! And ALL that before the sex!
If nothing, tell me a story that you experienced, which truly enhanced your life and made you better for going to Rio. I have many, I would just like to hear from someone else. Where is Euro100 when you need him?
Gentlemen,
In true I strive to provide information here, which will enhance your Rio experience. If you use it you will save money and have a great time. Why anyone post for any other reason is beyond me.
RonnyRon
Now that the issue of race has once again been debunked. Can someone please provide a report, which might actually help those of us who love going to RIO? New club, restuarant or anything you have experienced in the last 30-90 days that would make my next stay better. Any takers...? For the record I agree with those who stated that the girls will tell you pretty much whatever she senses you want to hear, which is why I keep going back. I love it. Tell me where else can you go and have beautiful women crater to your every want and need? Meet a girl and two hours later she is feeding you dinner & desert while sitting in your apartment wearing only an g-string! And that is before the sex!
RonnyRonRonnyRon,
Well, you hit it on the head it all have been debunked a long time ago back in the 40's Americans white soilders (use to tell the fine ass Phat ass white Germany girls that blacks grew tails at after dark) LOL anything to try to keep or make those phat ass white Germany girls afraid of the blacks LOL
Guess what? it didn't work back in the 40's and it won't work in Brazil the 2000's either LOL, go to ANY club in the states or overseas all you see is fine ass Phat white/black Brazilians and girls from all around the world walking out with African Americans just stand outside of club help or even some of your up scale clubs in Brazil so much for the B. S. Some terma girl told her John/Trick for the night.
But, getting back to the reports I hope to have some new members posting some pictures soon I just got about 40-45 pictures in my e-mail of some fine ass Phat white Brazilian girls from Sao Paulo that some guys I know that just came back from there a few days ago (by the way they the guys are black Americans that took them) they said they had a ball no problems with visa's or the police they showed them loved in their words.
I am trying to get them to join this site so they can post and report their trip in give INTEL, they have sent me pictures of girls from also Rio that they spent time with and they range from skin color to being snow white to very dark and they wasn't just termas girls or club help girls either a few of them worked in the front hotel were they stayed last time.
The only thing I can add is they had a ball and trust me they (the guys) aren't hurting for $$$ either they rented a 5 bedroom penthouse when they were there with a 24 hours cook and driver indoor pool and daily maid service (one of the girls that worked the front desk of the hotel that hooked them up Uncle was the owner of the place).
Also the Uncle didn't care what skin color the guys was he ONLY cared that their money was GREEN they paid in US DOLLARS LOL.
Like you said, RonnyRon many things are being debunked today blacks don't have money LOL, they going back in a month so maybe I can get them to joined by then, I won't post their pictures unless they tell me is ok 1st.
Kid Cisco
Member #4156
04-16-06, 21:02
Gentlemen,
In true I strive to provide information here, which will enhance your Rio experience. If you use it you will save money and have a great time. Why anyone post for any other reason is beyond me.
RonnyRon
Agreed.
And with all that said, let me see a show of hands that's ready to get back to mongering.
Asian Shark
04-17-06, 01:29
Planning a trip to South America from Wash. DC in June. I was thinking of trying all inclusive full service resort for a week. What do you mongers think ?? Anyone tried this kinds of service ??
Is it cheaper and better to get a hotel room and find girls ???
I would very much appreciate your comments.
Asian Monger from Wash. DC
Anybody on the ground with some live reports from the Rio scene. Ever since Ibizia headed back to the States for a few weeks, the reports have been sparse at best. Any more info on the Help closing??? I have the countdown started again at 33 days and counting.
You are right. I have a problem reading reports, which provide little entertainment or provide no information, which helps no one. They are just not interesting. Kind of reminds me of your reports. VAMPYR's report was very good.
RR
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