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unforunately we didn't go to cub six, we went to some baile funk party(supposedly private) that was very close to the archos de lapa, but it was highly recommended, definitely next time. i hear fridays and saturdays are good. what is the name of the botequim across from solarium? i find botequims are a must before the non pro clubs, they take the pre-club drinking to a next level. in fact they seem alot more exciting than some of the clubs we entered. i think the biggest problem we had during the day was not approaching attractive women we saw going about their non-pro(maybe, maybe not) lives, due to the fact we didn't want to come off as gringo predators, but i found out towards the end of the trip they are actually delighted to meet people during broad daylight in santa teresa or walking around logao(sp).
when i go back in october, i think i will try to stay off the copacabana path and stick with centro and recruit there, that way i don't have to hear the weird numbers that come out off the girls in copa. the problem is so many garotas use 400r at their starting point that mentally they cannot fathom you asking 80r for 2hrs or for even 15min for that matter. the starting price always is important if she starts at 400r and you start at 0real she is hoping that you will agree to meet in the middle(they aren't professional negotiators, they just think they are), they will budge to probably 150r, but they will feel like they aren't getting their best price(the price their friend suckered someone into) and probably not give you their best performance(if she is hardcore) and if you manage to get her down to 100r from 400r either she likes you alot personally or you are about to be seriously ripped off somehow.
it is not about being cheap, it's about being smart, i'm sure none of us gained the funds to take so many trips in the pursuit of women by giving the farm away at home. i think we have all proved that paying more doesn't get you a better looking women, anytime we went to terraco women would outnumber men, how is this possible and men continue to overpay. we went to a short time on gavea(sp)(near the peep show) and we met some locals in there, they were suprised tourists even knew a place like it existed as if they were afraid we would overpay and ruin their future prices. we told them we had no intention of doing that and that is the exact reason we were there, to pay what locals pay.
on the crime issue, if you have a problem with it, do not visit miami. if you watched the news here you would long for the environment of the bronx or brooklyn, i have no problems here but if i am to compare rio to miami on crime i would say it is possibly the same level with a slight edge to miami(especially on the sexual assaults). during spring break there were constant reports of people being robbed in the alleyways in south beach, that didn't stop anyone from coming and it shouldn't, same goes for rio. a victim in rio is a victim in nyc, london and chicago, just the facts of life. i saw watches on people in rio who i swore would be killed by the end of the trip and to my suprise they survived the whole trip without out one incident. a young man walked out with such a bejeweled watched(not sure if it was real diamonds or not) i swore he was going to lose his life. but no such event occurred. i asked him about the watch and he p[roclaimed he has been here several times with jewelry and has not been bothered. is that true for everyone? of course not, will he one day be victim? definitely! he still is a tourist. all this talk of crime caused us to leave the cameras at home(huge mistake). my memory isn't the best i would've appreciated some picks of daisy(oh the memories) from 4x4. also if you like danger(i can't have enough), a cute light skin(might be considered white) girl with ample bossom and a hell of an ass, called leme, that pouting ***** is definitely hardcore but sometimes you just have to play with some fire. she is definitely part of the garota informa network, proceed with caution; 200r(i know, i know) noa, de mais!
ronnyron take a trip to cancun if you haven't yet, pretty nice!
When I go back in October, I think I will try to stay off the Copacabana path and stick with centro and recruit there, that way I don't have to hear the weird numbers that come out off the girls in Copa...
It is not about being cheap, it's about being smart...
... pay what locals pay.
I couldn't agree more with you. So true, so very true.
Great reports, Vampyr.
When discussing prices with Help-girls I find it very amusing their way of thinking. They maybe come from Zona Norte, got unemployed or just earned a salário mínimo, have kids and have no husband to support them. OK, so they start working as pro's. As a friend told them golden stories about the gringos in Copa paying a lot they start working inside/outside Help.
Soon they discover it's not that easy to find a sucker, that will overpay them, more than maybe once a week. They have a lot of expenses, fancy clothes, taxi rides, visiting beauty parlors and maybe buying drugs.
They charge a lot so the business isn't going well. What do they do? They raise the price even more! Raising the price must mean that they earn more money, they think. The logic thing to do would be to lower their prices drastically so they get more customers.
Long line and hard to find. Inside it had a cave chained cage thing going on. If you don't speak Portuguese and I mean well, just say NO. I could not wait to get to HELP after the night I went. Most of the girls had a guy and they were not very interested in Americans. My 2 cents.
RonnyRon
Long line and hard to find. Inside it had a cave chained cage thing going on.
RonnyRon
WHAT???!!! Just ask any cab driver from Copa and they will take you there. You must have a thing for Rio because all I read from you are negative comments. If your cab cannot find it simply get off the round-about in LAPA (where all the bars and clubs are located) and walk North. You cannot miss it.
Papa Wahala
04-17-06, 16:06
Gents,
There are a few of you hear whose advice I covet as you have proven to be on target, objective and fun-loving (RonnyRon, Kendelson, Cisco, Sperto, Vampyr just a to name a few). My apologies to those of you I have missed who also provide exemplary contributions.
Here is my dilemma - I have arranged to rent an apt from Gringo Management on Atlantic Avenue (across from the beach) for close to two weeks but am having second thoughts with all this talk of robberies and shootouts in the Copacabana.
Can you gents provide additonal recommendations that is in a good area but still close to the action. Or in your view, am I allowing myself to be turned into a chickensh*t with all this negative talk.
When I went to Lagos, Nigeria for two years, I was warned that I would be on lock down day and night because of the crime and the city's neighborhood. Had the best time and plenty of pung tang so I know to be leery of the naobobs of negativity.
Thanks in advance.
Member #4156
04-17-06, 16:25
RonnyRon, to some degree, I must agree with you on that. The first time I went to Club Six, I was with a garota. The place was packed (they had a Funk artist MC Mascote? performing) and that night I had the most fun in Rio to this date. As for the girls, I was being hit on and flirted with as if I were back in Zona Sul. I wanted to make a move but I wasn't going to disrespect the company I was with. I couldn't wait to get back.
The next time I went alone. No performers, rainny night, quasi cheio atmosphere and that's when I noticed many of the hot girls there were not that hot and were also with someone. The most attractive to me was the hard bodied Mulatta dancing in that cage on the 3ª floor and I wasn't going to wait all night for her to get down, I couldn't wait to leave. I had more fun that night around the corner at the hole in the wall on Rua Da Lapa (admission R4.00).
So my conclusion, if you like the young crowd, Six is still the best club to go to for normal Rio nightlife but you'll have the best times when someone is performing. The link I'm providing below is a website that'll allow you to see photo shots of the different clubs you'd want to visit in Rio. Only thing is, I think you need to register "cadastrar". They'll also email you flyers and update you on special events to nightspots with the appropriate discounts accordingly.
http://www.taemtodas.com.br/fotos.asp?cod_categoria=1&cod_local=94
Member #4156
04-17-06, 16:38
Does anybody, wheter in Rio now or has been there in the past few weeks, know if Mariuzinn has two locations or did they move from 435 Galeria N.S. Copacabana to Centro?
Does anybody, wheter in Rio now or has been there in the past few weeks, know if Mariuzinn has two locations or did they move from 435 Galeria N.S. Copacabana to Centro?
I have been to this place once, some guy was giving out free VIP passes to tourists on Copacabana beach one day for that night. I went and there was a long line, the pass got me to the front of the line, inside 2 floors packed with no pros of all ages. The place looked like it had a lot of potential if you were willing to put in the time and effort, I had a few conversations but it was packed and very noisy and I decided to move on to greener pastures before the night was over but this place is certainly worth a return visit. You probably need to speak Portuguese and I started most of my conversations with Portuguese but one girl spoke fluent English, turned out we both worked for the same company years ago, she in Brasil and me in New York but she was with a guy so it didn't go anywhere. The website says it has 2 locations:
http://www.mariuzinn.com.br/#
Can anyone recommend some Brazilian mongering forums? My Portuguese is quite good now and I'd like to begin surfing some of the local language forums for additional mongering info.
Member #4156
04-17-06, 19:30
Can anyone recommend some Brazilian mongering forums? My Portuguese is quite good now and I'd like to begin surfing some of the local language forums for additional mongering info.
I myself use and am a member of http://www.hotside.com.br/forum.htm. Those guys on there are hillarious. Some of them made it clear to me that they know about us here at ISG. Many people here also frequent gpguia.net. There is another forum to my knowledge that was linked to a Sampa escort site but I'll have to dig for that one.
Can anyone recommend some Brazilian mongering forums? My Portuguese is quite good now and I'd like to begin surfing some of the local language forums for additional mongering info.
http://www.gpguia.net
http://www.forumdasacompanhantes.cjb.net
http://forum.hotside.com.br
http://www.riorelax.com.br/forum
I have mainly used gpguia. Interesting reviews of the garotas.
Planning first trip around May 17th for 5 or 6 days and was wondering if anyone else is going to be there around that time?
BootyTapper
04-18-06, 00:02
P.S.: The Brasilian consulates are still issuing visas to brothas -- just like they've always done! However, I read somewhere that the Brasilian gov't is considering legislation that will do away with visas altogether for American tourists.
American tourists are required to have visas to enter Brazil because the US goverment started requiring Brazilians to have one to enter the US, it was a retalitory move. When the US ends their visa program for Brazilians, Brazil will do the same for US citizens!
Guys,
I will be in Rio from April 29th to May 1st. I will be busy on sat night. I got a few questions for the Rio experts:
1. What are the best reccomendations for saturday afternoon.
2. Any suggestions on free lancers?
3. Any action on Sundays?
4. Any monger in Rio on that weekend?
thanks in advance for any help.
Guys,
I will be in Rio from April 29th to May 1st. I will be busy on sat night. I got a few questions for the Rio experts:
1. What are the best reccomendations for saturday afternoon.
2. Any suggestions on free lancers?
3. Any action on Sundays?
One answer to three questions: Vila Mimosa. :)
Guys,
I have rented 20+ times from David at Gringo Management. Worst problem I ever had was no hot water which was fixed the next day after I informed David. My friend and I just got back from 3 weeks in Rio. We rented two one bedroom apartments from David for our stay. No problemas...
Just my 2 cents....
Hammer
American tourists are required to have visas to enter Brazil because the US goverment started requiring Brazilians to have one to enter the US, it was a retalitory move. When the US ends their visa program for Brazilians, Brazil will do the same for US citizens!I doubt that it will happen, the US gov't have enough problems controlling illegal immigrants from mexico as it is.
Lover Boy #2
04-18-06, 20:22
This probably should be posted in the "crime" section, but it really goes a lot further than that. Amnestey International has it's own agenda, but I found this really fascinating. If you have the patience to read the entire thing, you will have some real thought provoking information to go forward with......and the argument of how dangerous Brasil can be....should end here....it is real dangerous if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time!
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGAMR190252005
Lover Boy #2
04-18-06, 20:29
I've been in Rio for the past few weeks and will be here a few more days. I was one block away from the "action" during the recent street shootout. I would like to add that these Rio PM's are completely out of their minds when it comes to firearms control and tactics. I look at this as a trained military policeman, albeit many years ago and certainly not in Brasil. They just fire weapons in the direction of the movement....with no concern over pedestrians, even children on the street. If you ever get caught in the middle of one of their barrages of fire.....you are screwed.....with little recourse.
Just saw your post. If you have been to Lagos, Nigeria, Rio will be a cake walk. May the folks who lost their lives Rest In Peace, wrong place wrong time. My last trip I stayed in an apartment right around the corner from where the shootout started. The guy probably ran down that very street on his way to N.S. Copacabana. Just goes to show you never know. Enjoy your trip!
RR
Ok guys I will post it in Rio section cuz thats where it happend. Last year I met a garota at 4x4 and got to know her fairly well through emails and return visits. On my last trip to Rio I made the mistake of having bareback sex with her. Well about a month or so later she claimed (and still does) that is is pregnant with my kid....we will see about that. But the worst thing is I think I caught something from her.
I have had a breakout of what appears to be acne on my theigh not too much. Also a couple of single what looks like acne on my c*ck. Does not hurt or itch or anything, from day to day it may lighten up a bit but usually comes back. My thinking is it is herpies...F*CK!
Ya I know the lesson, our game is somewhat like russian roulette. And playing bareback is like playing with a loaded chamber.
I have a Doctors apppointment tomorrow.
Look I'm sorry you might've contracted the herps and even more sorry that you might've slipped one past the goalie, but I get tired of the bb sex/playing russian roulette with a loaded gun comparison. It's more like playing Russian roulette with one bullet in a 200 round chamber.
Trippleecks
04-19-06, 12:10
Yariv .... The US did not single out Brazil for Travel Visas. It has had a long standing Visa policy for all but a few Countries. Especially South American countries. Some federal judge in Brazil got a bug up his ass and made it a policy..
Terma Girl w H
Is that chick still working at 4x4? If so, then the screening process has a bit of a weak spot.
Also, do you have a photo of the girl? You could save someone from having the same experience by telling the board who she is, and posting a photo. If you are not comfortable with the photo, maybe give her name and description.
Real MD here. It's best if you get this looked at. The sooner you treat it, the better it is for you and everyone involved. Your chances of recurrence, according to some literature, is reduced the faster you treat the first outbreak (if it's HSV- Herpes Simplex Virus-2).
The treatment is pretty benign, although HSV is unfortunately a lifelong condition. It could be worse (as you know).
Good luck.
SD
I have had a breakout of what appears to be acne on my theigh not too much. Also a couple of single what looks like acne on my c*ck. Does not hurt or itch or anything, from day to day it may lighten up a bit but usually comes back. My thinking is it is herpies...F*CK!
Ya I know the lesson, our game is somewhat like russian roulette. And playing bareback is like playing with a loaded chamber.
I have a Doctors apppointment tomorrow.
I have had a breakout of what appears to be acne on my theigh not too much. Also a couple of single what looks like acne on my c*ck. Does not hurt or itch or anything, from day to day it may lighten up a bit but usually comes back. My thinking is it is herpies...F*CK!
Could be something as harmless as fungus. Easy to treat.
Bareback is nice, but not the worth the risk with a pro. Not in a country with more than 600'000 cases of HIV.
Carlos Primeros
04-19-06, 21:53
The Eurpean Communition is not requiring Visas for South American nationals and vice versa. We do not have a glut of Brazilians/Venezueleans/Chileneans ... guess why? They are free to come and go - no illegal immigration and all the shit from Homeland Security.
If people come here for a few months and make some money and go home, who is hurt? The US economy needs all these workers and give them a hard time on top of the fact that most of them are exploited. (I am not a Communist - I know the difference)
At the other hand this forum is not the right place to discuss these facts of life and I therefore request a pardon to deviate from the subject of this forum.
My two Centavos for today.
Carlos Primeros - deposed King of Portugal
Papa Wahala
04-19-06, 23:06
I want to thank Kid Cisco, RonnyRon, RX Hammer and Cunlinguist for sharing their experiences and insight. "Invaluable information."
I am sticking with my original game plan and will stay in Copa. Having lived in developing countries, I can come up with my own solution to deal with any bugs, lack of hot water, etc. On that, I am a veteran.
Thanks to Kid Cisco, I came across this very good web site which introduced me to Amerioca Tours which seems to offer the kind of services that will enhance my visit. From cell phone access, guided tours to the termas and boites, translation services when meeting garotas, to providing nonmongering tourism; my cost/benefit analysis concludes that having them provide me an orientation will insure that I maximize my time in Rio, night and day.
I will make sure that I report on my experiences with Amerioca Tours. If there any mongers who will be in Rio May 12-15 and May 20-28 who would be interested in joining me (particularly a fellow newbie) on the night tours; send me a one-to-one email and I will check with the company to make sure its cool.
Ok guys, I just got back from the Dr. Here is what he said. It does not appear to be herpies. He believes it is a "Molluscum Contagiosum". For the most part it is a harmless virus that will eventually go away. He treated it by spraying liquid nitrogen on the effected area. He took a complete blood screen as well just in case it is something else.
I did some research and found out it is typically rampant with those with HIV. (OH F*CK). Guys BB feels better, but it AINT WORTH THE RISK!.
You can get molluscum easily even using condoms, as I did a few years ago, as molluscum is passed just by contact with the bumps, and the bumps may be anywhere. For instance, the girl has a bump in her leg, your leg touches hers, including the bump, and then you get it, once in your body it extends to different parts in different ways, for example when you use a towel after a shower, the towel spreads the virus on different parts of your body after getting into contact with the bumps as they are very contagious, as their name indicates. Condoms do not prevent molluscum as the bumps are rarely within the vagina, more often they are in the external area of the genitals, thighs, etc.
It is a minor STD as they are frozen off and go away, they don’t cause any further problems (unless your immune system is fucked up). Some doctors don’t even consider it an STD as they are also sometimes passed in sports where there is some sort of body contact, etc.
I got them in Cuba, by the way.
I’ve seen at times terma girls with obvious molluscum bumps (they are easy to recognise if you’ve had them), which shows, once again, that the STD screening of terma girls is a myth.
In any case, I suppose all this should have been posted in the STD thread as it is a bit off-topic.
Papa Wahala
04-20-06, 01:12
Glad to hear the good news and that it was not "the gift that keeps on giving!"
Learning from the school of hard knocks is a motherf****r. Like AMEX, condoms, never leave home without them my mongering brethren.
Peace.
There are some positive reviews of Termas Cancun on this board and because of those reviews I've now gone there twice, but it has been pretty dissapointing. Both times I left without sessioning and quickly went down the street to 4x4. Given the positive reviews I feel like I'm missing something, so those who have been there please feel free to correct me. In any case here are my impressions of this Terma:
Positives:
1.- The facilities are brand new and very spacious.
2.- Friendly receptionists/attendants/waittresses etc.
3.- Close to 4x4 and Termas 65 if you want to visit multiple Termas.
4.- Same price as 4x4 (but no promotion if you seesion before 5 PM like in 4x4)
Negative:
1.- It looks like they only have about 15 garotas working there. At first I thought that I was getting there too early (5 or 6 PM) however I spoke with one of the girls and she told me all the girls that were coming were already there. First shift begins at 2 PM and second shift begins at 4 PM.
I'd love to have a second Terma to visit downtown besides 4x4 but Cancun just doesn't seem to have the number of girls needed to make this a worthwhile stop.
I had also heard quite a bit on the board. But once there (last week) I chatted up every cabbie that fit my "profile", and a couple of the guys at the hotel, who have "hooked me up" in many ways. The story I got was that Cancun opened hot. But within a few weeks, many of the girls went back to other places, and that it just wasn't that great now.
So given the limited time, I skipped it. Thanks to one of our colleagues here, now I'm glad I did.
I did go over to Termas 65 (aka "meia cinco"). Only 20 garotas, and poor energy. But that could have just been the night. It is very well established. Frequented mostly by brazilians. I even got the vibe that most of the guys were with their "regulars". Perhaps a "new face" is treated with just a bit of suspicion. Or, it was just freakin' dead.
There is also Termas 64, around the corner from 4x4. I didn't get a chance to check it.
You can get molluscum easily even using condoms, as I did a few years ago, as molluscum is passed just by contact with the bumps, and the bumps may be anywhere. For instance, the girl has a bump in her leg, your leg touches hers, including the bump, and then you get it, once in your body it extends to different parts in different ways, for example when you use a towel after a shower, the towel spreads the virus on different parts of your body after getting into contact with the bumps as they are very contagious, as their name indicates. Condoms do not prevent molluscum as the bumps are rarely within the vagina, more often they are in the external area of the genitals, thighs, etc.
It is a minor STD as they are frozen off and go away, they don’t cause any further problems (unless your immune system is fucked up). Some doctors don’t even consider it an STD as they are also sometimes passed in sports where there is some sort of body contact, etc.
I got them in Cuba, by the way.
I’ve seen at times terma girls with obvious molluscum bumps (they are easy to recognise if you’ve had them), which shows, once again, that the STD screening of terma girls is a myth.
In any case, I suppose all this should have been posted in the STD thread as it is a bit off-topic.
Where is the STD thread?
Where is the STD thread?
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=268
Thanks, I have never seen it. I will give it a close look.
I had also heard quite a bit on the board. But once there (last week) I chatted up every cabbie that fit my "profile", and a couple of the guys at the hotel, who have "hooked me up" in many ways. The story I got was that Cancun opened hot. But within a few weeks, many of the girls went back to other places, and that it just wasn't that great now.
So given the limited time, I skipped it. Thanks to one of our colleagues here, now I'm glad I did.
I did go over to Termas 65 (aka "meia cinco"). Only 20 garotas, and poor energy. But that could have just been the night. It is very well established. Frequented mostly by brazilians. I even got the vibe that most of the guys were with their "regulars". Perhaps a "new face" is treated with just a bit of suspicion. Or, it was just freakin' dead.
There is also Termas 64, around the corner from 4x4. I didn't get a chance to check it.
I went to Cancun this past December and I can vouch that the selection of GDPs was stunning!!...It was open maybe a few weeks or so. We were the only gringos in the place with two other brazilians who did not look like they were going to spend any money. I wouldnt be surprised if all the girls moved to the other termas where they can make more $$.
granted we were there early 3pm-6:00PM (right before we left for the airport)
There is also Termas 64, around the corner from 4x4. I didn't get a chance to check it.
Do you mean Termas 65??
Papa Wahala
04-21-06, 17:53
Greetings fellow mongers,
Can anyone share any recommendations on playing tennis in Rio. I am specifically interested in tennis courts and the typical pricing. I am also interested in knowing when is the best time to play considering (I have been told) how hot it gets.
Thanks,
PW
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Goodfeller
04-22-06, 01:17
Uuhhh, is tennis some kind of code for something? Am I in the right forum? Well, atleast it involves balls.
Member #4156
04-22-06, 03:40
This forum is for sharing information right? Here you go Papa Wahala. I cant provide you with pricing these numbers should get you started:
Hotel International - São Conrado
Av. Prefeito Mendes de Marais, 222
Tel 3323-2200
3 tennis courts
Rio Sport Center - Barra
Av. Ayrton Senna, 2.541
Tel 3325-6644
6 tennis courts (covered)
Smash & Sqaush - Laranjeiras
Rua Couto Fernandes, 210
Tel 2557-3758
Squash - 5 courts; Tennis - 1 court
Papa Wahala
04-22-06, 04:50
For all you individuals who like to be negative or want to start some type of verbal engagement; I respond to your remarks this way:
This is a case of mind over matter. I don't mind what you have to say, because what you have to say doesn't matter.
This is a forum to exchange info on Rio and or at least, that is what the forum title says "Rio 2006."
Taking a babe who is a novice to the game is one of my ways to get up and close with a prospect, particularly when teaching the backhand.
So if you don't have anything to contribute on this inquiry, skip my inquiry or better yet, just put me on your ignore list. Trust me, that will be a "win-win" situation for the both of us.
You will not have to read my "silly" inquiries and I will not have to waste valuable research time reading your assinine sarcastic commentary.
Happy mongering to those who understand the game.
Peace.
Is it just me or are all of the posts from "dollars" caustic and inflammatory?. He has made 70+ posts, about 65 of them have been quoting other people and basically making a caustic comment. People like this basically ruin this forum, I mean who would bother to take the time to write a decent report, when there are people on this board that exist for no other reason than to belittle every post.
To stop posters like this, simply hit "report this post" to a moderator and let the moderator know of your thoughts. If posters like this are simply ignored it takes forever to get rid of them and will basically kill this forum.
Royalflush
04-22-06, 13:23
The Hotel Intercontinental in Sao Conrado also has tennis courts. I've stayed there several times, and although it's a bit of a drive from Ipanema/Copa, it's girl-friendly, has a great pool with spectacular views of the mountains, is walking distance to the fashion mall, and is close to the Gavea Country Club.
Bubba Boy,
Several of us feel the same way. The latest example is his reply to Papa Wahala. The man asked an honest question in an effort to obtain information, which would be useful to him. Dollars responded in his usual caustic manner. Again providing no information. At the end of his post he added the following sentence as a disclaimer:
I don't mean to be rude!
Yes, you do. Dollars has been a member for less than 60 day, but has 74 posts, which have provide little or no information. Worthless IMHO. Do us all a favor and crawl back under the rocks or back to whatever swamp where you were hidding. We don't like SNAKES here.
RonnyRon
Papa Wahala
04-22-06, 21:52
Gents,
I must tell you that one of the things that I have enjoyed joining this forum in the last four months is the camaderie. In an age (at least in the USA) where you can find yourself being charged with sexual harassment for flirting or just joking around; joining this forum takes me back to the days when "men were men!" and flirting was an art form and sharing info on P4P was appreciated.
RonnyRon et al, when it comes to Dollar, fifty cent wanna be, half cent, don't make no sense or whatever the f**k his handle is, my reaction is the following:
Swish, Swish, Swish. That is the sound of me dusting off the lint (That is you Dollar) off of my pristine mongering jacket.
I am not one of your 20 real garotas who sits with baited breath waiting for one of your "profound: insights or caustic commentaries.
Adults are having a conversation here Dollar and you should stop interrupting and also stop chewing your food with your mouth open. (Don't start none with Papa Wahala and there will not be none my rude boy friend.)
I recommend you take your passive aggressive BS and your misogynistic attitude and divert your mongering funds to address your issues with a good shrink.
And finally, yeso little man,, you done pissed off Papa Wahala; ever heard of Gustafa Kuerten. One of the top tennis players in the world from Brazil.
Like I said before, put me on your ignore list because you are certainly on mine.
actually you do not have the right to say whatever you like here. this is not a place where the right to freedom of speech exists and any lunatic can waffle on about what they wish. this board is moderatored and has certain rules and guidelines to what you can post, your posts fail these guidelines on a number of points. specifically - badgering every other person that takes the time to actually post info. unfortunately the 1% of people that do not comply with the posting guidelines can completely kill the forum. unfortunately it seems one of these one of these people appear every month. fortunately they do not last that long.
the fact that you are a paid member is irrelevant.
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My friends just came back from Rio and here's the latest scoop:
4x4 is alive and well. Cancun is loosing the fight between it and 4x4.
Copa was a mess. The quality of girls are downhill and most of the 9's have left for greener pastures. Avg prices from chicas at Help hovered around $R200+
L'Uomo is right now the kind of the hill during weekends. Best beach action (i.e, pulling a decent 7 to 8) is in Ipanema Beach.
They were not too impressed by the quality in Help. They both took my advise and had a ball in LAPA and Baronecchi in Ipanema.
Ps: The rumor is centaurus is feeling the heat and some are speculating the bastard might drop his prices if business doesn't pick up soon The boys claim everyone in MP were all talking about a boycott. Keep up the word and stay away from that Hell Hole!
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Just found a webpage of a brazilian escort girl in rio. She is an absolute stunner and was featured on mike in brazil. Service is expensive, but this girl is into everything.
www.barbarabutt.com
Have fun
Papa Wahala
04-23-06, 12:11
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Exec Talent
04-23-06, 16:03
Another board became dominated by posters like Dollars and many of us just stopped posting there. When I checked recently, it had become nothing more than mindless drivel.
The question you have to ask yourself is whose posts do I want to see here. Someone like Bubby Boy who took the time and made the effort to compile a guide to Rio including firsthand experiences, or Dollars, whose only contributions are caustic comments about others.
Put him on your ignore list and don't respond to him. He is just like a child craving attention. Every time he whines, pick him up and it will never end. Mac was civilized and was dealt with in a civilized manner. Dollars is similar to a terrorist who has no respect for anyone or anything. Fortunately, there is really not much damage he can do if we just ignore him. I don't think we need to involve Jackson in this one.
Papa Wahala
04-23-06, 16:28
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Just came back from Sao Paulo yesterday. If you go back 10 pages in this thread, there were some suggestions that HELP may have been already closed. I am surprised, there was not a single report here on the latest status on HELP.
This was always one of my favorite places in Rio. So there was no question that HELP will be my first stop of this trip.
Reached around 11:45 and saw the big line outside of HELP. Everything seems normal. Although it was a Saturday night, it was a day after a holiday. The Disco was simply buzzing tonight. My experience this time around was better than that of few years ago. So I am here to tell you HELP IS NOT CLOSED -- IT IS BUSINESS AS USUAL". The rumor of its demise was greatly exaggerated!!!
There were plenty of eye candies. It did not take me long to select my girl. A true beauty in the sense of the word. She is Carol, 23 yr old, Italian background, white skin with dark hair and a face to die for! I couldn't stop looking at her. She works at Barberella. A friend asked her to visit HELP tonight. Friend was a no show, however, she certainly discovered a friend in me (her words). It was quite early for me to close the deal (about 12:30 AM). But I knew, she was too beautiful to last long! 250 R for 3 hrs at my hotel!
Her service was simply fantastic. True GFE. CBJ, DFK, DATY and all conventional positions were on the menu. No cola (was not interested either). She left the hotel around 5 AM with a promise of a TLN next Monday (for the same money). An experience, I am sure will linger in my memory for a long time.
Current entrance fee at HELP
Entrance before midnight 22 R
Entrance after midnight 32 R
Go ahead, enjoy yourself ! This is truly one of a kind joint in the world.
Bandy
True GFE. CBJ, DFK, DATY and all conventional positions were on the menu.
You got a CBJ and you call this a GFE? Sorry, but by my definition a GFE includes a BBBJ as a matter of necessity. And for this you paid R250? Well, it's your money, but please don't call it a GFE!
Lorenzo
Daniela Aparecida de Souza (alias Danila Dary) is a betraying *****, working in Help and within the entire Copacabana. Do never ever send any money to her!
Fellow Rio mongers:
Frequently on this thread you will find comparisons of Rio with other mongering sites. Because of my concern about some of the negative trends I have seen occurring recently in Rio, particularly the rising costs and poor exchange rate, I decided a while back to explore other mongering sites to see how they compared with Rio. I didn't really expect that there would be anyplace to equal Rio, but I approached sort of in the manner of a guy who loves his wife but nevertheless engages in extramarital adventures just out of curiosity and to try something different. Fortunately for me I am retired and have plenty of time and money to do this. So this is a report on the first stage of that venture: Central America.
In March and April I went on a 30-day mongering tour of Central America, visiting all 7 CA countries and mongering at least once in each one. I published reports in each country's threads, and in some cases several. When I was completely finished, back in the US, and had had sufficient time to reflect, I published a comparative summary on all 7 countries. For those who are interested, here's a link to that report: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=454985&postcount=180. If you're interested in the individual country reports, you can look them up individually, since they're all recent posts.
To cut to the chase, there's no place in CA to equal Rio, but I found a lot of places where you can get just as much pussy and that are a lot cheaper. I'll still be coming to Rio, but if I'm just exceptionally horny and want to get away for a few days just to fuck my brains out, I might make other choices.
My next leg on this venture will be South America in July and August. I plan to visit every South American country except the 3 Guianas on a One World Visit South America visitor pass. Needless to say, I plan to monger in each country and file a report, as well as a comparative summary when I've finished. I hope you mongers find this report helpful, or at least interesting, if you are looking for alternatives.
Lorenzo
Fellow Rio mongers:
To cut to the chase, there's no place in CA to equal Rio, but I found a lot of places where you can get just as much pussy and that are a lot cheaper. I'll still be coming to Rio, but if I'm just exceptionally horny and want to get away for a few days just to fuck my brains out, I might make other choices.
My next leg on this venture will be South America in July and August. I plan to visit every South American country except the 3 Guianas on a One World Visit South America visitor pass. Needless to say, I plan to monger in each country and file a report, as well as a comparative summary when I've finished. I hope you mongers find this report helpful, or at least interesting, if you are looking for alternatives.
Lorenzo
Great post lorenzo!!....I look forward to your reports..I just came back from colombia and would be interested to hear your thoughts on that country
In March and April I went on a 30-day mongering tour of Central America, visiting all 7 CA countries and mongering at least once in each one.
This is just fantastic, I am sort of doing the same. Will hit the countries systematically in central america I haven't yet been.
When I am approaching Lorenzos age I want to be doing what he is doing.
You got a CBJ and you call this a GFE? Sorry, but by my definition a GFE includes a BBBJ as a matter of necessity. And for this you paid R250? Well, it's your money, but please don't call it a GFE!
Lorenzo
I am glad that I just don't think like you!!!!!
Bandy
Please can someone help me on this matter. I have read all the recent posts regarding Help, and if its going to close or not. But just really would like to know what the case is, will it or not?
I'm traveling first to Sao Paulo for some business then on to Rio de Janeiro in the next 10 days, so any help on this matter would be great!
Thanks in advance!
Read my report below.
Bandy
Exec Talent
04-24-06, 03:10
puts a condom on me for oral sex would be the last day we would be together. Bandy, you seem very knowledgeable about Sao Paulo as well as other places. However, paying R$250 for 3 hours in Rio and for covered oral is not the norm.
BAndy, the rumor is that Help will close on MAY 15th, not April 15th. So it still too early to know whether or not its true or bullshit.
Even if it is scheduled to close on May 15, which is a big IF, the chances of it actually being closed on time is another big IF. Nothing occurs on time in America Latina.
Having said that, it will be a hell of a party to be there on the night it does actually go down.
Daniela Aparecida de Souza (alias Danila Dary) is a betraying *****, working in Help and within the entire Copacabana. Do never ever send any money to her!Thanks for the warning. You might wanna add Thais, Renata, Fernanda, Eduarda, Bruna, Shayla, Bia, Ingrid, Ana Paula, Pricila, Kelly, Lebara, Camila, Patricia, Daniele, Cristiane, Tataine, Viviane, Mayara, Emanuelle, Joyce, Raquel, Isabella, Luciana, Diana, Marcela, Milena, Juliana, Lorraine etc, and every other GDP in Rio to that don't send money list.
P. S out of curiosity, what happened with this puta if you don't mind telling the story.
puts a condom on me for oral sex would be the last day we would be together. Bandy, you seem very knowledgeable about Sao Paulo as well as other places. However, paying R$250 for 3 hours in Rio and for covered oral is not the norm.
I agree, not the CBJ part but the price part. I am very flexible regarding BJ. I want the girl to be comfortable. And if she is comfortable, I would have a great time. It never failed and I am not going to change my mongering style. Many encounters ended up with BBBJ later rounds or next time around. The requirement for my part to be a GFE is true DFK. Without that nothing gets going with me. And lots of mongers have reservations (may be rightfully so) about kissing these girls. I check them out in the club and if the chemistry is there, I go for it.
Right now, the price at HELP is very fluid. I closed the deal very early, because I knew I only want her and also my past experience at HELP told me that she will be picked up by somebody very soon, if I wait longer. This is not the right way of doing things, because you lose the price advantage. However, I was not in a mood for negotiations and I really liked her. That's the most important part. And I got more than I bargained for.
Price drops significantly after 2:00 AM. You can get most of them at 200 R or less after 2:00 AM. Some of them even offered me 150 yesterday, but these are not my type of girls and , of course, I was not interested. Hotties know how much they are worth and usually they are not wrong.
I like TLN and I am willing to put some premium for that. However, if the chemistry is right, to me, price too some extent, is secondary. I also don't get wild and pay 400 R, which all of these girls start with.
Have fun guys. There are plenty of girls available for each price range. Unfortunately, if you want one particular girl, rules of the game changes!
Bandy
Last night at HELP, I picked up a beautiful, full figure, 23 yr. old morena/mulata. She used to work at Centaurus. Then worked for some time in Europe. She hit it big time and now occasionally works at HELP. I was conversing with her in Portuguese. But at the hotel she started speaking fluent English. I found out she had an ex-american boyfriend, who she met at HELP. She initially agreed for a short time. However, at the end of a great love-making session, she decided to spend the night.
I took lots of her pictures and she liked those. While leaving the hotel, she gave her phone no. and e-mail address, for me to send her the photos. Then she wrote down her "artist's name". I frowned and asked her what kind of name was it? Then she let me in on her secret. She had done five porno movies and that's the name she used there. I said that I don't watch porn, but if she gives me the names of the movies, I will try to watch them. She said that I already knew how she looks like and if I am really interested, I should find those out by myself.
So here she is guys, her porn name is Xenia Chocolate and if any of you "porno watchers" know the names of the movies, just post it here.
Bandy
El Austriaco
04-25-06, 22:07
Talked to the waiters at Terraco Atlantico last Friday, and when I mentioned Help closing, they just had to laugh. This rumor has been around for years and definitely comes in the category of urban legends by now. So no, Help is not closing.
El Austriaco
04-27-06, 20:45
Just got back from roughly three months in the state of Rio de Janeiro, although I only spent about a month in the city of Rio. Needless to say, after such an extended trip, a day-by-account is pretty pointless (if not to say boring), so I rather focus on a few tidbits and aspects of my trip that might be helpful to the next monger. Will I go back to Rio? Sure. Will I stay in Copacabana again? Not likely.
This conclusion of mine is based on three major factors, all of which are interrelated to some extent: prices overall, the girls, and crime and safety (which I will post in the appropriate section).
Overall Prices
Yep, the dollar has gone down quite a bit, and there is no end in sight. Last week I was there, the dollar hit R$ 2.11. Compare that to R$ 2.50 when I was in Rio less than a year ago, and R$ 2.85 back in 2004, to say nothing of the R$ 3.00+ back in 2002. Nothing we can do about it. But the thing is: in addition thereto, nominal prices in Brazil are on the rise, also… and especially in the tourist segment.
Let´s take my hotel, for example:
Room for two occupants in 2004: R$ 115.00 @ 2.85/dollar = 40.35 dollars
Room for two occupants in 2005: R$ 127.00 @ 2.50/dollar = 50.80 dollars
Room for two occupants in 2006: R$ 139.00 @ 2.15/dollar = 64.65 dollars.
That’s a whopping increase of 60% for the same room.
Cab fares are another case in point.
Base rate for cab in 2004: R$ 2.50 @ 2.85/dollar = 0.88 dollars
Base rate for cab in 2005: R$ 3.00 @ 2.50/dollar = 1.20 dollars
Base rate for cab in 2006: R$ 3.70 @ 2.15/dollar = 1.72 dollars.
In other words, the base rate for cabs has almost doubled in terms of dollars over the past two years.
Several people on this board have pointed out that in response to a lack of demand, many Copacabana GDPs have raised rates (which makes no sense, I know). Well, I guess they are not the only ones. Hotels and restaurants that mostly cater to tourists have certainly followed suit, too.
Have prices gone up in other parts of Rio? Yes, of course. But my point is that prices for tourists in Copacabana have gone up above average. A choppe for R$ 4.00 at Balcony? A beer, a coffee, and a water for R$ 10.00 at Meia Pataca? Como on.
Before someone says… well, yes, but in Copacabana, that’s where the girls are, that´s where the action is: you know, I no longer see any reason to monger in Copacabana, either.
El Austriaco
04-27-06, 20:46
Copacabana GDPs
I spent a few nights outside of Help and a few afternoons in Meia Pataca and Balcony last week. I also spent a few days exploring Centro and hitting some of my favorite places there (including Terma 502 and MV 30, plus a few other ones that, as far as I can see, no one has ever reported on: look for an upcoming report on that). Last Friday, I was chatting with one of my regular waiters at Terraço Atlântico, and at one point in time, I could see him looking at one of the girls preying on a gringo, shaking his head in utter disbelief. When I asked what he was thinking, he said.. “It’s really just amazing.. those Copa hookers asking for R$ 300.00 for a program. They would have trouble finding customers at R$30.00 in Villa Mimosa! It is just insane!”. From what I saw in Centro during this trip, I couldn’t agree more.
The few times that I was a Balcony, I didn’t see anything even worth a second look, just horrible. Meia Pataca was hopping every time I was there, but the selection was very inconsistent… sometimes, a looker or two, but overall, also nothing special (and lots of the same GDPs you see every year). Terraço Atlântico had a few good-looking girls every night, which is no surprise given the sheer number of girls there. Most of them started negotiations at R$ 200.00, which is just plainly ridiculous. One girl I talked to in Meia Pataca offered me that rate, and when I responded by saying “Whatever happened to the old rule that customers speaking Portuguese pay R$ 100.00?”, she replied “Well, that’s OK, too.” I said “R$ 100 for an all-nighter?”, and she responded “Well, you are the one in charge.” I didn’t take her up on her offer, though. Two girls at Terraço Atlântico offered me a dupla for R$ 100.00 each. So I guess that as long as you can speak Portuguese and negotiate hard, you can still get semi-decent rates. Without Portuguese… ufffffffffffffffffffff.
Rates for the other major termas have been reported here frequently, so I don’t have to go into that. Needless to say, they haven’t gotten cheaper, either.
To sum things up: higher rates for P4P than in other parts of town, and no better looking girls, just more hardcore girls (at least the pista chicks). No reason at all to go whoring in Copacabana for me any more.
And the less time I spend looking for pussy in Copa, the less incentive there is for me to spend time in Copa at all. And here’s a third reason I will stay clear of Copacabana in the future: crime and safety. But more on that in the appropriate section: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=458442&postcount=525
EA
To sum things up: higher rates for P4P than in other parts of town, and no better looking girls, just more hardcore girls (at least the pista chicks). No reason at all to go whoring in Copacabana for me any more. EA
I agree. I can't really see any reason at all staying in Copa.
Mongering: Better options in centro.
Apartment: Staying in Ipanema is much nicer (don't need to be much more expensive), or why not staying in Flamengo or Botafogo.
Nightlife (non-pro's): Everything is better than Copa.
Beach: Ipanema, Barra etc.
I can't see any reason at all staying in Copa, unless you happen to like Help.
Copacabana GDPs
I spent a few nights outside of Help and a few afternoons in Meia Pataca and Balcony last week. I also spent a few days exploring Centro and hitting some of my favorite places there (including Terma 502 and MV 30, plus a few other ones that, as far as I can see, no one has ever reported on: look for an upcoming report on that). Last Friday, I was chatting with one of my regular waiters at Terraço Atlântico, and at one point in time, I could see him looking at one of the girls preying on a gringo, shaking his head in utter disbelief. When I asked what he was thinking, he said.. “It’s really just amazing.. those Copa hookers asking for R$ 300.00 for a program. They would have trouble finding customers at R$30.00 in Villa Mimosa! It is just insane!”. From what I saw in Centro during this trip, I couldn’t agree more.
The few times that I was a Balcony, I didn’t see anything even worth a second look, just horrible. Meia Pataca was hopping every time I was there, but the selection was very inconsistent… sometimes, a looker or two, but overall, also nothing special (and lots of the same GDPs you see every year). Terraço Atlântico had a few good-looking girls every night, which is no surprise given the sheer number of girls there. Most of them started negotiations at R$ 200.00, which is just plainly ridiculous. One girl I talked to in Meia Pataca offered me that rate, and when I responded by saying “Whatever happened to the old rule that customers speaking Portuguese pay R$ 100.00?”, she replied “Well, that’s OK, too.” I said “R$ 100 for an all-nighter?”, and she responded “Well, you are the one in charge.” I didn’t take her up on her offer, though. Two girls at Terraço Atlântico offered me a dupla for R$ 100.00 each. So I guess that as long as you can speak Portuguese and negotiate hard, you can still get semi-decent rates. Without Portuguese… ufffffffffffffffffffff.
Rates for the other major termas have been reported here frequently, so I don’t have to go into that. Needless to say, they haven’t gotten cheaper, either.
To sum things up: higher rates for P4P than in other parts of town, and no better looking girls, just more hardcore girls (at least the pista chicks). No reason at all to go whoring in Copacabana for me any more.
And the less time I spend looking for pussy in Copa, the less incentive there is for me to spend time in Copa at all. And here’s a third reason I will stay clear of Copacabana in the future: crime and safety. But more on that in the appropriate section: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=458442&postcount=525
EA
Termas 502 is my favorite "value" mongering spot in centro. I reported on it here http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=325324&postcount=1632
in 2004 and still like it for its "underachiever" and unpretentious atmosphere that you cannot beat in other termas. Lots of GFE chicks, too. Real keepers. No overpaying here.
Also, would you mind translating for us underachievers how you phrased "whatever happened to the old rule that customers speaking Portugeuse pay R$100?" That sounds like a valuable phrase to keep in ones vocabulary. Thanks
BootyTapper
04-27-06, 22:35
Overall Prices
Yep, the dollar has gone down quite a bit, and there is no end in sight. Last week I was there, the dollar hit R$ 2.11. Compare that to R$ 2.50 when I was in Rio less than a year ago, and R$ 2.85 back in 2004, to say nothing of the R$ 3.00+ back in 2002. Nothing we can do about it. But the thing is: in addition thereto, nominal prices in Brazil are on the rise, also… and especially in the tourist segment.
Let´s take my hotel, for example:
Room for two occupants in 2004: R$ 115.00 @ 2.85/dollar = 40.35 dollars
Room for two occupants in 2005: R$ 127.00 @ 2.50/dollar = 50.80 dollars
Room for two occupants in 2006: R$ 139.00 @ 2.15/dollar = 64.65 dollars.
That’s a whopping increase of 60% for the same room.
Cab fares are another case in point.
Base rate for cab in 2004: R$ 2.50 @ 2.85/dollar = 0.88 dollars
Base rate for cab in 2005: R$ 3.00 @ 2.50/dollar = 1.20 dollars
Base rate for cab in 2006: R$ 3.70 @ 2.15/dollar = 1.72 dollars.
In other words, the base rate for cabs has almost doubled in terms of dollars over the past two years.
Several people on this board have pointed out that in response to a lack of demand, many Copacabana GDPs have raised rates (which makes no sense, I know). Well, I guess they are not the only ones. Hotels and restaurants that mostly cater to tourists have certainly followed suit, too.
Have prices gone up in other parts of Rio? Yes, of course. But my point is that prices for tourists in Copacabana have gone up above average. A choppe for R$ 4.00 at Balcony? A beer, a coffee, and a water for R$ 10.00 at Meia Pataca? Como on.
Before someone says… well, yes, but in Copacabana, that’s where the girls are, that´s where the action is: you know, I no longer see any reason to monger in Copacabana, either.
Austriaco I could not agree with you more! Actually the last times I spent in Rio, I spent more time outside Copa checking out other areas. You hit it perfectly with these two post about prices in Rio. My hotels prices increased 33% by the end of last year and maybe higher now. After you spent many times on Copa, it gets redundant. The only time a fresh new supply comes thru in masses is Carnaval, but they bring Carnaval prices also. For me personally I wanted to explore more of Rio. I am even looking at getting a place down there, but was looking away from Copa and more up Ipanema and Barra. I am not saying I will never spend time on Copa again, but I will not spend the majority of my trip mongering or chilling there. Rio is a big beautiful city with lots of areas and women to explore outside of Copa!!
El Austriaco
04-28-06, 00:13
Also, would you mind translating for us underachievers how you phrased "whatever happened to the old rule that customers speaking Portugeuse pay R$100?" That sounds like a valuable phrase to keep in ones vocabulary. Thanks
O que aconteceu com esta regra velha da pista que cliente quem fale portugues somente paga cem Reais? Off the top of my head, that's how I would probably phrase it.
EA
Member #4156
04-28-06, 00:34
I agree. I can't really see any reason at all staying in Copa.
Mongering: Better options in centro.
Apartment: Staying in Ipanema is much nicer (don't need to be much more expensive), or why not staying in Flamengo or Botafogo.
Nightlife (non-pro's): Everything is better than Copa.
Beach: Ipanema, Barra etc.
I can't see any reason at all staying in Copa, unless you happen to like Help.
Sperto, El A, I couldn't agree with you more.
EA, good observations and I agree with you. In my last report I mentioned similar trends in my own mongering style.
I think one important thing to point out is that you, me and Sperto all spend a lot of time outside Copa, but we are all in country for months at a time. Other guys who only get 2 weeks vacation per year may still prefer a different kind of visit to Brazil.
I understand why they don't want to stay in Catete, for example, where there is no decent beach. The alternatives to Copa with a beach, like Ipanema and Leblon, although superior are also more expensive than Copa.
I also like Termas 502, although GFE was a little bit hard to find for me. I sessioned once, with a sweet blond hardbody called India. The other time I left without taking anyone. I like universitarias and there are not many of that type in 502 or even 4x4.
Yeah, Help is expensive but when you break it down by the hour it is sometimes not much more than the Centro massagens. My best Brazil experience of last trip was an absolutely gorgeous morena clara I pulled out of Help, 200r for two hours. She was the total package, just mind blowing. The reaction of the room service waiter at the love motel said it all. I guess he sees a lot of girls going through that place. Anyway, when the lift doors opened and he saw my girl he had this stunned look, took half a step back, and said "Opa!"
Yeah, Help is expensive but when you break it down by the hour it is sometimes not much more than the Centro massagens.
You're more likely to get declining marginal rates for massagens girls...for example...I met this 30/half hour chica in Copa...I asked her how much 2 hours were, she told me 80 vs. the 120 rate derived from linear extrapolation. TLN was 150...There is tremendous value in finding these girls, speaking Portuguese, and getting their contact info...but you all are right...Copa has more negatives than positives...even for the hustlers visiting for 7 days as fake ballers...
In reality...Rio to me has lost its luster all together...
I realize that Copa is not "safe" by any means and that one can find problems there also; but is it safe downtown? I have been downtown once to go sight seeing, but not much else.
I would like to venture out to find one of the diamonds in other areas near Copa or in other parts of Rio. I have actually met someone that lived out of town and had them come in to Rio to see me, but going to visit her has never been an option.
Four of us will be staying in an apt. in Copa on the Beach near Help. Two of us have been there once before and the other two are first timers. I am thinking that anyone who wants to meet while we are there might drop me a line. If there are a few of us we can designate an area to stop thru on a regular basis and check with each other for persuing the obvious. None of us speak Portugese.
I also would appreciate some input from those of you in the know where there might be some English speaking employees at the various Termas and Out Calls and Strip Joints and Hang out places. AS I said before I had pretty good luck in Centro at Florida and Scandinavia.I know that under the right circumstances you can get your message accross even if there is a language barrier. But I want to go to VM and some of the Termas in Centro.We stayed in Centro during Carnival before and this is our first experience in Copa for just Sightseeing and mongering. I have been gathering the info off of the board and I appreciate it. So please continue with the info and where are the best places that might have at least a little English?
...15 lazy ghetto trash niggers that attacked a 50 year old security on camera. He was minding his own business just trying to earn a living and these savages attacked him because he was white...
Joe, are you wearing a white sheet and a funny white hat?
Why do you go to Brazil if you obviously dislike colored people? I ask of curiosity.
StudPlayer
04-28-06, 15:49
Date: Timeless
To: All expats
Re: Shitting where you eat
Oh how I remember being able to lay Ticas for a "hot dog and a coke" not even 15 years ago.
Oh how I remember being able to lay Phillipinas for a "hot dog and a coke" not even 10 years ago.
Oh how I remember being able to lay a ( fill in your local babe ) for a "hot dog and a coke" not even 5 years ago.
Those of us who live in pussy paradises should understand that discussing or posting the (semi) secret information of our pussy paradises is completely counterproductive to the continued enjoyment of our paradises.
All you need to do is look at Buenos Aires, Rio, Costa Rica, Angeles City, Bangkok, Phnom Penh and numerous other spots which FOOLish, repressed and sex-starved gringos ruined.
Do you want the same fate to befall your secret pussy paradise?
Do you still want to keep bragging about your private pussy paradise?
What is the upside potential to doing so?
What is the downside potential to doing so?
Stop shitting where you eat.
The gringo tourists may escape their sex prison for a week or two and hit local commercial spots, but we dont need to help them ruin our mostly secret, private, unknown and out-of-the-way paradises, do we?
STFU
El Austriaco
04-28-06, 21:27
Here is a list of some dirt cheap (and some fairly dirty) centro places that I came across during my latest trip. Well, to even call them "termas" might be stretching it way too far, already, but since that's what they call themselves, I´ll stick to that. In any case, we are talking about plain old run-of-the-milll brothels here: so no changing into fancy robes, no saunas, no shower facilities, just a bar area and on-site facilities to do the girls. As far as I can see, no one has ever reported on them here. Needless to say, I seriously doubt that English will get you very far in those places (although even without any Portuguese, there won’t be any misunderstanding as to why you are there).
116 Oceanic (also called Espaço Oceanic)
Rua da Conceição (between Rua Teófilo Otoni and Av. Marechal Floriano).
Directions: At the Uruguiana station, take the Presidente Vargas exit. Cross to the OTHER side of President Vargas (i.e. away from the big open-air market), and walk up the street (away from the big church) for about a block. You will come to a small park. Cross it to get to Rua da Conceição. 116 Oceanic is on the right-hand side. Phone number: 2286-8195.
No entrance fee, no minimum consumption, drinks are checked off on a card and paid upon exit. Programas starting at R$ 15 for 15 minutes, R$ 1 per minute. Programas are payable upfront. About 20 girls there, 3-4 doable ones. Lousy facilities. I first discovered this place back in 2004 through a Brazilian monger. One evening I was there, they had a masked party, and I ended up taking a chick dressed as a Brazilian bride. Well, I got that fantasy out of my system. Pretty fun place to just hang out and watch the skimpily dressed girls dance and sing to the latest baile funk hits. Worth it for the cultural experience alone :).
Club das Danadinhas (also called Bar Club No. 35)
Rua do Acre, 35, Sobrado, Centro
Directions: from 116 Oceanic, head to Marechal Floriano and take a right. At the Largo de Santa Rita, walk down Rua Mayrink Veiga past MV 30, hang a left a Rua Alcântara Machado up to Rua Acre, and turn right. This place is on the right-hand side),
Phone: 2203-0873
Mon thru Fri 12:00 noon to 12:00 midnight
Entrance: None
Drink Prices: R$ 2 for a bottle of water, same for beer. Drinks are checked off on a card.
P4P Pricing: R$ 1 per minute, starting at R$ 20.00.
About 10 girls there, including three good-looking ones. Ran a special promotion of 2 girls for 30 minutes @ R$ 50.00. Seems hard to beat to me. Facilities, however, looked appropriate for the not-faint-at-heart only, so beware.
Club No. 31
31 Rua Alcântara Machado No. 31 (between Rua Acre and Rua Mayrink Veiga).
From MV 30, just walk to the corner with Rua Alcântara Machado and hang a left. Club 31 is on the left-hand side. Can't miss it.
Phone: 2518-5427
Open 3:00 PM to midnight (?).
Entrance: R$ 10.00 (includes four choppes). If you want to drink anything else, no drinks are included, and you pay extra.
P4P Rates:
20 minutes @ R$ 50.00
30 minutes @ R$ 70.00
40 minutes @ R$ 90.00
60 minutes @ R$ 110.00
I was in a hurry, so I didn’t go in, so don’t know about facilities or numbers of girls. Definitely a bit more upscale looking (most common CCs accepted)
MF1 (Marechal Floreano No. 1)
Located right at the corner of Miguel Couto and Marechal Floreano on Largo de Santa Rita. You’ll see the neon sign out front. Pretty steep stairway.
No entrance fee, drinks reasonably priced (beer R$ 3.00, for example; you pay for drinks as you go along). 20 minutes @ R$ 30.00, 30 minutes @ R$ 40.00, 40 minutes @ R$ 60.00, 60 minutes @ R$ 100.00. Both 20 minutes and 30 minutes are in cabins, the other two options included the suite.
Only about 5 girls there, with 4 of them very good-looking (some of the girls said that during Carnaval, there are about 15 there). Did a tall, lanky, fake blond there (Rhadiza?), who claimed to be a Brazilian/Saudi-Arabian mix. Oh my, who would have thought of that? Somewhat of a dud, though. Also, a Carioca (Eduarda), who was a true GFE. Very nice and friendly atmosphere, with lots of samba being played in there. Spent an evening there helping a group of 8 guys from Hong Kong who didn’t speak any Portuguese get laid. Worth checking out, considering that it is virtually across the street from MV 30, in case you are in the neighborhood.
Ah, something else comes to mind: when I was at Praca Mauá, I walked past both the Scandinavian and Florida bars on several occasions. Florida boite had the following prices posted as of March:
30 minutes @ USD 20.00 (yes, prices were posted in US dollars)
40 minutes @ USD 30.00
60 minutes @ USD 50.00.
Not even all that bad at the current exchange rate. Unfortunately, couldn’t sample any.
All these places are in very close proximity to each other, so you can easily check them out in an afternoon (and throw in MV 30 to boot, if you are so inclined). Also, I am sure there are tons of similar places in this neighorhood, so go out and explore. Happy mongering!
EA
...Also, I am sure there are tons of similar places in this neighorhood, so go out and explore. Happy mongering!
EA
EA, excellent information. Several new places to me. Certainly there must be much more to be discovered. Checking out classificados, picking up flyers and just asking around. There are lots of hidden gems.
El Austriaco
04-28-06, 21:59
Every year, I just have to go to MV 30 at least once, since this place has probably been the site of my most astounding experience in a Rio terma. This was back in 2004, the first time I went there, when I met Karin, this girl from Belém. To call her just a PSE would really be derogatory to her, she was just that good. One evening there, I will never forget. I was sitting in the boite, after just doing Karin and her friend, carioca Barbara (who was a close second to Karin, but only to her), back-to-back. A beer in one hand, a caipirinha in the other, Karin on one side stroking the dick, Barbara on the other, caressing the balls, and what music do they put on? Van Halen. All the rest of the barely dressed girls jumped up, yelling “Panama” at the top of their lungs. Life was beautiful. If I ever needed a picture in my mind to forever remember “sex, drugs, and rock n’roll”, this was it.
Blame it on Rio. For a moment, I felt like David Lee Roth. It made me believe in God again.
But I digress. Last year, I went back to see what had changed… and once I stepped into the place, almost teary-eyed with the memories overcoming me (yes, I know, even a heartless bastard like me can get sentimental at times), I immediately ran into Karin. She just said "How could you leave last year without saying goodbye?" Once she excused herself since she was with a Japanese client, the next girl came up. It was Barbara. It felt like home all over again. Needless to say, I had to do both of them. This year, my trip to MV 30 was already like an annual visit to a shrine. But things do change, unfortunately.
In 2004, the minimum consumption was R$ 20.00, last year R$ 15.00. This year, there no longer was any minimum, but a straight R$10.00 entrance fee, with drinks and/or food extra. Drinks are very reasonably priced for a terma (e.g. R$ 5 for a soft drink or beer) Cool with me.
MV 30 always used to have a relatively small selection of girls (10 to 15 at most), but now, there were at least 20 present, with up to 30 on a busy night. I am sorry to say, but the increase in numbers was not matched by an increase in quality, necessarily. I saw about 3 to 4 good ones, the rest was pretty average. When I say "average", I mean average IMHO, of course. Like with many other centro termas that are also (mostly, if not exclusively) frequented by Brazilians, there was a fair number of big-bunda girls which are not exactly my preferred body type. Unfortunately, no sight of either Karin or Barbara. What a bummer.
Unfortunately, prices have also gone up quite a bit. The 60 minutes in the suite used to be R$ 130.00 just two years ago, R$ 150.00 last year. Now, we are up to R$ 170.00. In other words, what was roughly 45 bucks two years ago is almost 80 bucks now :(
Here are current rates as of last week:
Cabine 30 minutes @ R$ 90.00
Suitinha 45 minutes @ R$ 130.00
Suite 60 minutes @ R$ 170.00
Suite Real 90 minutes @ R$ 260.00
They also ran a special with 2 girls (gatas) for thirty minutes @ R$ 150.00.
Spent an evening there talking to a very nice mulata (who said that she had worked at Rio Antigo as well as Barbarellas and Franks during Carnaval), but did not partake in any action. MV 30 might have finally priced itself out of my preferred price range, but who knows… I’ll probably still check it out, once in a while, just for the memories.
For those who don't know, MV 30 is located at Mayrink Veiga No. 30 just off the Largo de Santa Rita (corner of Marechal Floreano and Rua Miguel Couto). Coming from the Uruguiana station, head down towards the church on Presidente Vargas and cross at Miguel Couto until reaching Largo de Santa Rita. Cross Marechal Floreano and enter Mayrink Veiga. MV is both right next to an ITAU office and across the street from another one, on the left-hand side. You will see a neon sign at the entrance. All major CCs accepted. At night, a few cabs wait just outside. If for whatever reason they are not there, cabs pass very frequently on Marechal Floreano, even late at night. If you don't want that gamble, the front desk surely can call one for you.
EA
Greetings everyone,
In recognition of his many great contributions to the Forum, I have given Comgo his own thread titled "Comgo in Brazil".
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2448
Those of you who wish to join him in the discussions in his new thread are welcome to do so.
Thanks,
Jackson
Those of us who live in pussy paradises should understand that discussing or posting the (semi) secret information of our pussy paradises is completely counterproductive to the continued enjoyment of our paradises.
All you need to do is look at Buenos Aires, Rio, Costa Rica, Angeles City, Bangkok, Phnom Penh and numerous other spots which FOOLish, repressed and sex-starved gringos ruined.
Having the attitude that you do, I find it difficult to understand why you even visit a forum whose explicit purpose is to share information that will help others find women for sex. If you don't believe in sharing information, then your only reason for visiting must be to seek information that you can use yourself. Otherwise, why would you come here? I personally owe this forum a debt of gratitude dating well back into the 1990s when Atta still ran it. Without it, I would never have found many wonderful mongering spots in many parts of the world. Moreover, the forum has saved me an enormous amount of money by tipping me off to ripoffs, scams, and just plain substandard places. Therefore, I believe that I have an obligation to repay this forum somehow by posting my own reports whenever I have information that might be of value to somebody else. This is only fair. It sounds like you are someone who is willing to take but not to give back; this can only be called hypocrisy.
Moreover, of all the places you cited, I am quite familiar with Rio, Bangkok, and Costa Rica. I have mongered in all of them recently--meaning within the last two years at the most--and I can assure you that none of them have been 'ruined.' I seriously doubt that Buenos Aires has been 'ruined' either, but since I will be there in August I will tell you first hand at that time. In all of the places I cited pussy is readily available and easy to find, many of the women are beautiful, they provide excellent sexual services, and it is relatively inexpensive in contrast with any 'first world' country. Sure these places are more expensive than they used to be, and there's more competition for pussy, but that's hardly what I would call 'ruined.' I'm old enough to remember when I could fill my car with gas for $3, but that doesn't mean that nowadays driving has been ruined for me. So I suggest that you either make an effort to get with the fraternal spirit of this forum, or else just stop wasting bandwidth space and leave.
Lorenzo
I have been coming to this forum since 1998 and it has helped me a great deal, which is why I share. I believe it has grown far more than Jackson ever imagined. I still thank ALL who take the time to contribute. The post by Papa Wahala pretty much said it all. Its the Camaderie Man! http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=456663#post456663
RR
El Aus,
Thanks for the great reporting on the centro action-I love trying out new places. I hit the ground may 5th for 10 days & I will be checking all these out & reporting back on my experiences. On past trips I've been to ba 85, ba 113, & urug 24 so these new places will be upscale for me.
Muito obrigado el aus,
Shemp
El Austriaco
04-29-06, 09:45
Couldn't agree more. Have been coming to the forum since 1998, too, and that's why I think sharing whatever information and experiences I and others have is so crucial to the board. If people were only lurking with nobody sharing info, what would we have? Exactly nothing. Plus, I will continue to go out and explore new, yet undiscovered places beyond the regular tourist joints, anyway. Just because I go there sure doesn't mean most people will. So some places will become extremely popular with tourists, so what? There are tons more to discover.
EA
Wild Cherokee
04-29-06, 13:48
Do you gents know where I may find street maps of Copa and Impanema online? Other than mapquest or yahoo maps that is.
I have been studying the boards to plan my first trip to RIO (staying on the border of Copa and Impanema) at the end of May. I would like to review some maps so that I can gain a better understanding of where the Termas and clubs are in relation to each other.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Happy Mongering!
I personally had a miserable start to my international mongering career. I was in Ba, Arg and this woman from blacks tried all the usual scams, ordered the most expensive drinks, then when I got back to the hotel she stuck out her hand for the pre agreed rate of 200, except she tried to get USD$200. She never stated what currency she wanted before, and I being in Argentina thought pesos would be the deal. Luckily I was only green and not stupid and told her to go back to the club empty handed. I went home pissed off and started researching these forums. Went back to Latina America a second time and had the time of my life.
Have to agree with Lorenzo etc, this forum has saved me money and added to my fun factor - enormously. All about sharing info for everybodies interests.
Wildcherokee44, you may want to try www.ipanema.com.
And many greetings and thanks to you gentlemongers here who are making this fraternity possible by sharing meaningful information. This is my first post here, although I know many of you friends from the Buenos Aires forum. I too can not agree more that one gains far more from sharing information as opposed to withholding it. I find it incredibly inconsiderate to take information and not to give back any, and even more inconsiderate to take and use the information and then turn around and corrupt the forum with caustic, potentially inflammatory comments. For this very reason, even though I have no new information to share I am making it a point to write a trip report describing my first "enlightened" trip to your mongering paradise. I say "enlightened" as this was my second trip to Rio, the first being before discovering this wonderful resource in late 2000.
Bubba Boy, EA, RonnyRon, Papa Wahala, Lorenzo, and other contributors of meaningful information, you have a standing invitation from Sexplorer to a fine dinner whenever he is in town.
I will be back soon with a trip report.
Sexplorer
I was very apprehensive about Rio, this time, because I went to Sao Paulo first. I always had a good time there and, except for Termas, Rio could be hit or miss for me. But to some extent, the experiences somewhat even exceeded than that of Sao Paulo. I think, the single most reason was that I had a girl for TLN (my preference) almost everynight. At SP, I had only two nights of TLN. I want to summerize my observations at HELP. But I will do it in two weeks from now, when I get back to NY. Also, I will review the hotel we stayed in. These internet machines are killing me.
I always like to finish my last night with a sure thing. I rarely repeat, but this night, belongs to the girl I liked most. She was my first pick-up of this trip from HELP, Carol, the girl from Barberella, a real head turner.
Carol called me severel times during the week, but I did not want to see her early. That way, my friend and I can not go out together. So I told her, to come back at 9:30 PM on Thursday night.
As an evening action, I took a newbie from the hotel to Luomo. This guy was never been to a Terma and does not speak a word of Portuguese. This time, I was so spent from all these actions, I only went to Monte Carlo and Luomo few times. There are several girls from Solarium are now working at MC and according to them talents are better in MC now. It is their word, I have no idea. Did not want to visit Centaurus, because, I was doing these girls as TLN. Wanted to visit 4x4, but it becomes so crowded after 5 PM, I finally decided against it.
The newbie I took to Luomo, immediately liked a girl. I went to her (Elainy - not sure about the name) and asked whether she speaks any english. Of course, the answer was no. Anyway, I brought her over to this newbie and assured them that I will act as an interprter, if they need any help. I got busy with my girl, Milena. Milena then told me that this was the first day Elainy started working as a Terma girl. She used to work in an agency as a secretary. What a match! Two terma virgins --- one as a worker and the other one as a client.
I let them go first. Milena and I took off to the back room for food ( try to go there for the buffet around 7 PM. The food does not last long). Meanwhile, the newbie came back after his session and vouched that he has discovered the "promiseland". No more any other clubs or independents for him. He thanked me profusely for showing the ropes.
Milena meanwhile ditched every customer and wanted to be with me for my last night. I enjoyed more than 40 mins of Nirvana in the cabine. When that dreaded phone rang, I was nowhere near to finish. Milena just ignored everything and told me to continue. She was a trooper and gobbled everydrop. She does not do bunda, however, she wanted to try with me. After few seconds it started hurting her so much, I gave up on the idea.
I came back to hotel at 9 PM. Carol is supposed to come at 9:30. I am freakishly obsessed with time. I know these girls could be late by as much as 2 hours. But it does not work with me. 9:30 came and she was a no show. I told the front desk that if she shows up tell her to wait. I decided to wait until 10 PM for her and then will go for dinner myself. I went out for some last minute purchase.
I came back to the hotel at 10 PM. Took one look of this beauty waiting for me on the sofa and all my anger disappeared. She apologised.
I took her out to Porcao - Rio. I was uncomfortable with the attention I was getting. Everybody was looking at her. Waiter quickly led us to a table with "bella vista". At night, the lights on the bank of the river is wonderful. But at daytime you can see Sugerloaf and Cocovado, right from the dining area. Dinner ended around midnight and headed for the hotel in a taxi. All of a sudden, I saw Carol went down almost to the floor and put her jacket on her face. I looked around and quickly realized we are passing Barberella. With all these streets, the driver had to pick up this one!
Next three hours at the hotel was sheer joy. I have to leave by 7 AM for the airport for my flight to Bunos Aires. She put an alarm on her cell phone and we tried to catch a few hours of sleep.
Alarm went off, but I did not want to get up. I held her tight in my arms and wanted to feel her deeply for the last time.
I was not in a mood to pack. This girl went throughout the rooms and packed every single item (Don't worry, she did not steal anything). We came down, had breakfast and I dropped her at her home before heading to the airport.
A nice conclusion of my Brazil trip.
Bandy
PS: Carol told me many things about her. The reason I liked these girls is that they are trying to do something with their lives. Most of them I picked are university students. Carol will finish her degree in three years and may settle in Italy. She charges 600 R for three hours from Barberella. I am sure somebody will pay that much. She showed me a 5000 R diamond ring at her finger during dinner, some guy from Miami bought her the ring. When I asked why so much discount with me, she told because she met me in HELP. Then she blurred some other staff, I did not want to hear. One funny story!. While heading to my bed, I tripped on her shoe, with about 6 inch hill. She started laughing. One gringo, opened his back door and asked her to insert the entire hill through his a-hole. She asked more money and did exactly what the guy asked. What a fetish!
Do you gents know where I may find street maps of Copa and Impanema online? Other than mapquest or yahoo maps that is.
http://www.ipanema.com/citytour/home.htm
Scroll half way down the page and see the hyperlinks for street maps of Ipanema, Arpoador, and Copcabana. Not the best maps, but the street names are readable. Some of the minor streets like R. Canning (Centaurus) unfortunately are not included on the maps. Centaurus is not far from where Francisco Sa & Carvalho intersect on the Arpoador map.
El Austriaco -- keep it up!
Man I love those low-end places with fine girls. They're few and far between, but when you score, it's the lottery.
Anyway, have you ever checked out Florida Bar in Centro? It's on the way in on your left (in Centro) as you're coming from airport. It's huge -- Help sized.
TIA,
JW
@ Wildcherokee44
I have posted this before in the Fortaleza section, just apply to Rio:
"For a detailed map of Fortaleza try out www.map24.com By default setting it will start with Europe. Just click South America, then enter "Fortaleza" as your destination and of course choose number 1 :-) You can zoom in and this map will provide even the smallest street!"
Server may sometimes be down :-( But as long as it works - great!
Pyjama
Sperto, El A, I couldn't agree with you more.Guys,
I second the motion. I just returned from Rio and stayed in an OCEAN FRONT condo in Aproador for a little more than staying on Nosa Senhora. I was able to walk to Ipanema and Copa beaches w/ no problem. I had no problem worrying about crime.
I will post a full report with muito fotos in the days to come.
OK, here's a good one for the Barra locales.
Dayane, a very sweet and fit dark skin, blue eyed beauty. Had little english skills, but am appetite for more than I could handle. Met up with her while walking down the beach about 3am trying to walk off a good drunk after leaving some local dance/techno clubs around Barra (i.e. Shenanegans, etc..)
She has 2 cell phone #'s: 8253-2089 and 9937-1629. You can also find her hanging out by herself between the Sheraton Barra and Windsor Barra area.
Like I said, she is very accomplished in her skill level, but needs a little priming to get off to a good start. Had no problem leaving her in my room alone while I went downstairs to retrieve another jimmyhat for round 2. Very professional.
Cheers!
BootyTapper
04-30-06, 23:44
If I never go back to Copa and play its largely because of the excellent reports you write about Centro. I spent some time on my last trip in Centro but just did not know I was so close to so many gems. I am definitely going to MV30.
El Austriaco
05-01-06, 20:15
Thanks for your kind remarks, Sperto, Bootytapper, J Wadd, Shemp, Sexplorer. It's a pleasure.
Shemp: compared with BA 85 and BA 113, I would call most of the places I listed roughly comparable rather than upscale. MF1 and Club 31 are somewhat nicer, but also a bit more expensive (just a bit more). BA 85 I know pretty well, BA 113 I check out occasionally, though I've never really found anything I liked there. But I'd love to hear your opinion on my places.
J Wadd: I passed Florida several times running errands when I was at the Federal Police building on Av. Venezuela, but didn't go in. First because I was with the GF every time, second... I don't know... going to the police, hitting a brothel, going to the notary.. hitting a brothel... going to the bank.. doing another quick just seems... odd? At the same time, I have no problem doing some shopping at the Uruguiana market interspersed with quickies at BA 85, so I guess I can still improve :).
BTW, this year, when I went back to BA 85, this small black chick recognized me, so we went for a repeat of last year. 20 minutes @ 15 Reais. When the 20 minutes were up and I was done, she just looked at me and said... how about me? I wanna come to!!! So she continued masturbating for another 10 minutes with me watching in amazement, and whenever the mama-sam yelled "Time!", she yelled back "Take it up the ass!". ROTFLMAO. This happened three times with her.
Back in 2004, at BA 85, they had a special of R$ 10.00 for 15 minutes and, get this, a "schoolboy" promotion of R$ 7.50 for 15 minutes. Needless to say, at lunch time, the place was happening with what seemed like entire high school classes. I was seriously inclined to get a fake student ID :).
Just walking around the market, you will generally receive one or two fliers for cheap centro places. I had one for a place on Rua do Ouvidor, but unfortunately, I lost it. Well, next time... but I think Sperto already reported on that one, probably.
Also, the link Pyjama posted for online maps on Rio is AWESOME (www.map24.com). Really lets you pinpoint the addresses.
Will write about a recent anecdote and an update on 502 soon.
EA
El Austriaco
05-01-06, 20:24
I am even looking at getting a place down there, but was looking away from Copa and more up Ipanema and Barra.
When I came back from an excursion to the Tropical Islands this year, the tour bus went by a brightly lit place by the name of "Terma Ancora do Recreio". It is located pretty much at the border between Barra da Tijuca and Recreio dos Bandeirantes, approx. on the 13,000 block of Avda. das Américas, if I remember correctly. Anyone ever been there? Might be worth to take a look.
EA
El Austriaco, I've never been there but if the photos on their website are of actual workers, they have an impressive line-up.
http://www.ancoradorecreio.com.br/
I have heard about this place, apparently about 20-30 girls on, apparently worth a visit.
The following a wrote down about 6 months ago, so should relatively fresh.
Entranda R20
Programa R140 (40 minutes, sexo e cabine)
WWW.ANCORADORECREIO.COM.BR
Daniela Aparecida de Souza (alias Danila Dary) is a betraying *****, "working in Help" and within the entire Copacabana. Do never ever send any money to her by Western Union !
Just returned from a few days in Rio were most every afternoon I found myself spending a few hours at my favorite terma. Although I have admist that while the talent continues to be excellent the prices because of the dollar's devaluation are making it very expensive. Most days I found myself paying $240 at the door. That included to services, a massage and a few drinks. I defenitely need to start going to centro, more often. Howerver, the garrota selection can't be beat in my opinion. In particular there is a garrota called Stephanie, is fantastic. I recommend her highly! She has the most exotic look, but rather than the typical Brazilian features she looks like a very French, with beautifull black eyes and a great set of lips.
I had one for a place on Rua do Ouvidor, but unfortunately, I lost it. Well, next time... but I think Sperto already reported on that one, probably.
It could be Rua do Ouvidor 130, apto 707 (open 10-18.30, R$ 13/10 min, R$ 20/15 min, R$ 30/20 min, R$ 50/30 min). Nothing really appealing.
The interesting thing with these cheap casas is the turnover of the girls. In a place with mostly undoable girls you suddenly can catch a cute newbie.
It's so convenient. Metro to Estação Uruguaiana. Do some shopping at Mercado Popular and then have a look at BA 85 and BA 113. Get laid and afterwards you have a excellent comida a quilo just between BA 85 and 113.
EA, you should try Florida Bar, there are some good talents working there.
I have heard about this place, apparently about 20-30 girls on, apparently worth a visit.
Entranda R20
Programa R140 (40 minutes, sexo e cabine)
WWW.ANCORADORECREIO.COM.BRThe girls on that site are actually part of an escort service that's run out of the same place. Some of those photos are at least 2 years old. My opinion is that no termas in Recreio could support that level of talent and Termas Ancora is is not really worth a visit, its main quality being a number of large, renovated cabines.
(I am new to this board but have lived on and off in Rio for years, and have been out to Recreio.)
Full Throttle
05-02-06, 16:18
Been away from Rio for about 6 weeks. Since I'll be around a few times this month, thought I'd catch up. Exhausting. Race, crime, economics, secret societies... all so fatiguing. The last 10 days' posts have been fantastic -- thank goodness!
Are ANY of the downtown termas open Sunday?
"Florida" has been alluded to several times. Anyone go there recently?
Someone mentioned finding girls on Impanema Beach. I've never seen any "available" girls on that end. Is there a good area to look?
Has anyone purchased the language lessons sold on the sidewalk by the gringo guy? An "agent" of his approached customers in/out of Meia Petaca, then he showed up. Seemed pleasant enough and he's quite proud of course.
FT
Someone mentioned finding girls on Impanema Beach. I've never seen any "available" girls on that end. Is there a good area to look?
FTYou should find "open-minded" garotas on Ipanema Beach just in front of the Caesar Park Hotel. Between Posto 9 and 10.
Boa sorte.
Someone mentioned finding girls on Impanema Beach. I've never seen any "available" girls on that end. Is there a good area to look?
FT
I just got back from Rio and not just this trip but in front of the Caesar Park hotel you will find more or less the same girls that hang out in front of the Othon Palace hotel, they migrate back and forth but it seemed like they were just the nicer ones. The only difference is in front of the Caesar Park you don't have the Ladroes like in front of the Rio othon palace. This trip I really only went in front of the Othon Palace once and got sick of the attempted over charges, the first beer I bought there the big fat guy I gave him 4 reals and I asked him for my change and he told me he was keeping it. Another guy told me that since he knows me he was only going to charge me Carioca prices but he attempted to over chage me anyway, too much of a hassle I never went back.
Just returned from a few days in Rio were most every afternoon I found myself spending a few hours at my favorite terma. Although I have admist that while the talent continues to be excellent the prices because of the dollar's devaluation are making it very expensive. Most days I found myself paying $240 at the door. That included to services, a massage and a few drinks. I defenitely need to start going to centro, more often. Howerver, the garrota selection can't be beat in my opinion. In particular there is a garrota called Stephanie, is fantastic. I recommend her highly! She has the most exotic look, but rather than the typical Brazilian features she looks like a very French, with beautifull black eyes and a great set of lips.
I just got back from Rio myself, dollar is weak, prices are high but I found the Help prices down about 30% since my last trip in December.
Last December most girls started the bidding at 4 or 500 Reais and ended up at 300 reais. This past week most started the bidding at 300 reais and took 200 reais without blinking. One girl i remember from this past December in December wouldn't budge off off of 500 reais, this time she grabbed 200 reais.
Sure several wouldn't budge from 300 and others wouldn't take lower than 250, others wouldn't even spend the money to enter Help as they told me there was not enough people in there so they hung outside at Help Veranda and this past December I saw these girls in Help everynight.
I felt this is a good time to go to Rio as your bargaining power increases, most nights the latest I left was about 3:30 am and there were still plenty of nice girls still looking, if I waited I probably could have gotten them even cheaper but I like to get started early.
El Austriaco
05-02-06, 20:59
Are ANY of the downtown termas open Sunday?
A couple of years ago, I went to Oceanic 116 once on a Saturday, but this might have changed. BA 85 is definitely closed on Saturdays, like 502, too. I am pretty sure that on Sunday, everything is closed.
Has anyone purchased the language lessons sold on the sidewalk by the gringo guy? An "agent" of his approached customers in/out of Meia Petaca, then he showed up. Seemed pleasant enough and he's quite proud of course.
Ah, so David is back in town? Didn't see him at all this year around (was told that he was traveling), but he is very upfront with everything and really honest. He is a great guy.
EA
Coming down to brazil in one week and I have no clue on where I am staying or where I am partying, I am landing in sao paulo on thurs morning and was thinking of catching a plane to rio that morning and staying there till sun when I need to fly back home, can someone please tell me some info on if I should stay a day or two in sao paulo or fly straight to rio I will only be there for a few days and I am looking for the motion action possible with high quality good looking girls. Can you please tell me if this is a good time to be in rio. I know when its peak season everything is really expensive. Also what hotel should I stay at that are girls friendly maybe even one that offers suites at good price. Is there any hotels in the center of action so I don't need to go far? Please help make my trip a good one and I promise lots of pictures when I get back.
Turf Builder
05-03-06, 03:36
Last time that I was at L'uomo, it was a Sunday, however that was many months ago. I'd check with them before going.
Turf Builder
A couple of years ago, I went to Oceanic 116 once on a Saturday, but this might have changed. BA 85 is definitely closed on Saturdays, like 502, too. I am pretty sure that on Sunday, everything is closed.
Ah, so David is back in town? Didn't see him at all this year around (was told that he was traveling), but he is very upfront with everything and really honest. He is a great guy.
EA
One Eyed Man
05-03-06, 04:14
I've got the itch to go back and have some vacation time Labor Day week. Weather.com says the temps range between 67 and 77--my question is, is it warm enough to go to the beach, or do the Cariocas typically only hit the beaches in their summer. Ipanema.com talks about something called a veranico, i.e. it gets hot if it stops raining, even in the Winter. (It's so pleasant to pass time at the beach, and you can't spend all your time in the thermas--you'd go broke!)
California Guy
05-03-06, 05:43
I will be heading to Rio soon, start of June, and I recall reading that many girls leave for Europe during this time. I am assuming there will have to be some good looking ones still around, right? I am going either way to enjoy the beauty of Brazil but I am just curious what others have experienced at this time, well in June, down there?
Okay everyone, always take care and thanks!
Cali
One eyed man:
i was there over labor day weekend last year. it was chilly, windy and rained almost every day, a jacket was required. the GDP were few. gradually the temps started to climb up. the sun finally broke thru the clouds around the 15th. the next day saw people at the beach. the following day more people showed up. however, as soon as the sun went down, or hid behind a cloud, you could feel the temps drop. granted that was last year. this year maybe different. FWIW, the locals told me this is the way it is in Rio every sept.
Le Dragueur
05-03-06, 08:10
One eyed man:
i was there over labor day weekend last year. it was chilly, windy and rained almost every day, a jacket was required. the GDP were few. gradually the temps started to climb up. the sun finally broke thru the clouds around the 15th. the next day saw people at the beach. the following day more people showed up. however, as soon as the sun went down, or hid behind a cloud, you could feel the temps drop. granted that was last year. this year maybe different. FWIW, the locals told me this is the way it is in Rio every sept.Yeah, I was in Rio last September-October for 2 weeks and it was overcast most of the time. Maybe 4-5 days of sun out of 14. Unfortunately, RT tix prices are usually lowest around that time, and flying there ain't cheap. Best time to be there is probably from Dec-Feb - that's their summer over there.
Full Throttle
05-03-06, 14:18
... can someone please tell me some info on if I should stay a day or two in sao paulo or fly straight to rio...?
IMHO, Cafe Foto, Bahamas, Millenium, Bomboa found in Sao Paulo are unique enough to justify a couple of nights. Assume you're going to spend around $300 US, and you will have a top notch time. This probably compares to $150 at a Rio Terma, but the experiences are quite different, and we all should do both weekly.
FT
Track Star
05-03-06, 16:18
Track Star here,
Mongers..for your pleasure and viewing..the Discoteca HELP website is back up and running!
Enjoy!
www.discoteca-help.com
Track Star
Houston Player
05-03-06, 16:37
Sean6969,
Stay in Sao Paulo Thursday night, then go to Rio Friday afternoon for the weekend.
Weekends are not the best time to be in Sao Paulo.
Ok guys, I just got back from an around the world Monger trip. So now I have played the sport in England, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany, Thailand, and Hong Kong.
Overall, I did have some good times in Germany in particualar. But over all for GFE, and the best times, I would have to say Rio is the best for mongers world wide...
Full Throttle
05-04-06, 00:13
Ok guys, I just got back from an around the world Monger trip. So now I have played the sport in England, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany, Thailand, and Hong Kong.
Overall, I did have some good times in Germany in particualar. But over all for GFE, and the best times, I would have to say Rio is the best for mongers world wide...
also compared with Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands, England, Costa Rica, Argentina, Columbia, Guatamala, Mexico, Spain, Italy, Puerto Rico, Panama, and Venezuela. NEVER the Far East, doggone it.
Unless the real goes to $1.50, I tend to agree with you.
FT
Rio is the winner, for sure, in my book as well. I have made comparisons between Rio and some of the mongering destinations you have mentioned here as well, and in my opinion it isn't even close.
Looking forward to my next Rio romp in August
euro
I have to agree with the three previous posts. When you're comparing the mongering situation among countries, you have to take four factors into consideration: the ease or difficulty of getting laid; the quality of the girls; the quality of the typical sexual experience as far as approximating a GFE; and price, by which I mean value for money paid. I have mongered on six continents, and I can say that when you balance all of these factors, Rio wins by a few lengths. There are other spots that are as good, but overall Rio can't be beat. But on this thread, I'm probably just preaching to the choir.
Lorenzo
Haven´t been to 6, but been to 3 continents and mongered in 9 countries, and agree with you 100%: Rio is miles ahead.
But I have a question. Which destinations are the next best. I am really itching to go to a different destination just for the variety of it.
Someone mentioned finding girls on Impanema Beach. I've never seen any "available" girls on that end. Is there a good area to look?FT
Not to beat a dead horse but here is a proof positive picture of 2 Gdp's in front of the Caesar park hotel. I saw these same 2 the previous day in front of the Rio Othon Palace, obviously there was slim pickins on the beach last week.
But I have a question. Which destinations are the next best. I am really itching to go to a different destination just for the variety of it.
I understand completely; I often have the same itch myself. Try Bangkok, San Jose (Costa Rica), or San Salvador (El Salvador). Bangkok is the only one really in the same league with Rio, but it's a pain in the ass to get to. I've never been to Buenos Aires, but I've heard it's in the same league as well.
Lorenzo
Carlos Primeros
05-04-06, 23:29
Jayf - skip Bangkok if you are into Latinas. The Thai girls are not match to the Latinas - why do you think that Jackson settled in B.A. - it is like Rio but more sophisticated.
I was recently in Bangkok and Pattaya - 95 % of the girls there are dogs and not good.
But - each to his own.
Carlos
El Austriaco
05-04-06, 23:39
Haven´t been to 6, but been to 3 continents and mongered in 9 countries, and agree with you 100%: Rio is miles ahead.
But I have a question. Which destinations are the next best. I am really itching to go to a different destination just for the variety of it.
In addition to Brazil, I've mongered in Mexico, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Guatemala (a bit), El Salvador, Venezuela, and Colombia in the Americas, and a bit in Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia, in Asia. Some other countries that have gotten good to reasonable reports would be Peru and Ecuador, countries I've been, but have never mongered in, so I won't comment on them, leaving it to someone else to fill in those gaps.
OK, Brazil, is still best, but my current No. 2 would either be Colombia or Dominican Republic. These are the two countries that I would go back to in a heartbeat just for mongering alone. The other countries, I would go back if other factors were in favor of a return trip also, but not only for P4P. It's been a while that I've mongered in Cuba, and apparently, things have changed a bit, so please, someone update the outdated info I'll provide.
I'll post something that I had written earlier in a PM to someone who wanted me to do a cross-country comparison:
Colombia:
Plus: great variety of looks, stunning looking girls, very easy to meet non-pros, cheap to reasonable P4P.
Minus: safety (in some areas).
Cartagena for starters, rest of the country for the experienced third-world travelers and mongers ONLY. Spanish a must outside Cartagena. I've been to both Cartagena and Barranquilla once.
Dominican Republic:
Plus: proximity to the US, good variety of looks, good-looking girls, easy to meet non-pros, cheap to reasonable P4P.
Minus: none.
Spanish recommended, but not strictly required in the most popular P4P areas (Sosua/Boca Chica). Been to Boca Chica/Santo Domingo twice.
Venezuela:
Plus: great variety of looks, stunning looking girls, easy to meet non-pros, reasonable (not cheap) P4P.
Minus: political instability/safety.
Spanish-speaking skills highly recommended. I spent time in both Puerto la Cruz and Caracas to study there.
El Salvador:
Plus: cheap to reaonsable P4P, OK looking girls, close proximity to the US, security not too much of any issue.
Minus: none, but not in the same league as the above options.
Spanish skills highly recommended. I've been to San Salvador and some other parts of the country.
Cuba was very intriguing back in 1998, but travel from the US was difficult back then and still is. When I was there, everyone was a pro (there were no non-pros), and sex was cheap. Non-pros are relatively easy to meet on the Internet today. Still, I hear the P4P scence has changed quite a bit recently (and not necessarily for the better). Best to read the board to get updated info.
Asia:
I have very limited experience mongering in SE Asia, but of the three countries where I sessioned, I actually liked Malaysia the best, followed by Indonesia, and Thailand last. Girls from the entire region can be found there (Thai, Burmese, Indonesia, Indian, Laotian, and Malaysian girls, of course), the girls are far prettier with their Indian/Malay/Chinese mix, and people speak English reasonably well (much easier to communicate than in Thailand), P4P is reasonable to cheap. But of course, if you think the flight to BKK is grueling, the one to KL is even more so. But it might be worth it just for hearing someone ask you "Well, Sir, are you interested in a traditional massage or in the sucky-fucky option?", as happened to me at the on-site brothel at the Furama hotel in Kuala Lumpur back in 2001. Priceless.
Indonesia is a country where I would love to monger more. Thailand, well, with everything that has been said about P4P in LOS, I don't really have to add my two cents.
On a final note:
Mexico: forget about it. No great looking girls, bad attitude, P4P sky-high. No way. Wouldn't go back there, but of course... that's where I live. Rats. Mexico has lots do offer... but in terms of P4P, it's not even second-rate.
EA
El Austriaco
05-05-06, 02:02
Not to beat a dead horse but here is a proof positive picture of 2 Gdp's in front of the Caesar park hotel. I saw these same 2 the previous day in front of the Rio Othon Palace, obviously there was slim pickins on the beach last week.
Sure, there will be GDPs on most beaches in Rio, just like they will in shopping malls, in restaurants, on the calcadao, or anywhere else. This February, I went to a samba school rehearsal at Mangueira, and sure enough, I saw two to three GDPs there I knew from Copacabana. But I think the question was whether there is a specific place on Ipanema beach comparable to hooker beach in Copacabana, where you can safely assume that most girls there are turning tricks. My answer is no.
By now, I almost exclusively go to the beach in either Arpoador or around Posto 9, and one of the reasons for that is that there are no obvious hookers there, just normal people.
So I wouldn't recommend going to Ipanema beach to start looking for who might be available or not. The question is, how do you recognize them, unless like you and me, you already know them from somewhere else? You can´t. A waste of time, IMHO, and in the process, you might actually offend normal girls. Not worth it.
EA
By now, I almost exclusively go to the beach in either Arpoador or around Posto 9, and one of the reasons for that is that there are no obvious hookers there, just normal people.
EA
In front of the Caesar Park hotel there is a beach area where 3 hotels congregate: The Everest, The Ipanema Inn and the Caesar Park, the people on this beach area consist of tourists from these hotels, men and women. Plus there are many people who do massages there for the tourists. In addition to all this sprinkled in are GDP's looking to make a buck from these tourists especially the ones staying at the Caesar Park as they obviously have the most money, this is 100 % certain as I have been frequenting this area for years.
In addition to this this past week one GDP who I met in Help who actually works in Barbarellas told me that on any night you can go to Barronetti, Nuth and other exclusive clubs in Rio and find a GDP very easily as they all know that Gringos frequent these places now.
Don't be afraid to approach women anywhere as long as you do it respectfully, if you approach every woman you see as a GDP and she is not then you look like a schmuck and if you don't speak Portuguese then just stick to the Termas and pay your bill.
CaptainNemo
05-05-06, 18:01
So I wouldn't recommend going to Ipanema beach to start looking for who might be available or not. The question is, how do you recognize them, unless like you and me, you already know them from somewhere else? You can´t. A waste of time, IMHO, and in the process, you might actually offend normal girls. Not worth it.
EA
So, if you don't look like Tom Cruise or have no six pack abs, this girl keeps making eye contact. You know you have a winner.
I was recently in Bangkok and Pattaya - 95 % of the girls there are dogs and not good.Carlos
Yeah, right, the girls in Thailand are real dogs. Take a look at this array from the Poseidon massage parlor in Bangkok: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14260. Aren't they a bunch of skanks? Wouldn't it just disgust you to even think about fucking any of them? Just the thought of it would drive me to take a vow of celibacy.
Lorenzo
For those interested in comparing Rio with Bangkok, I think I wrote the definitive post on that subject back in 2004. Here it is: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=299281&postcount=700.
In reviewing my post, one thing I neglected to mention is the much greater diversity in physical types of garotas in Rio than in Bangkok, which is surely a factor to be taken into consideration.
Lorenzo
Ive been opting for the DR now that the dollar has gotten so week in Brasil. I did notice that some of the escorts have adjusted their prices. What about the pros and semi pros? Its been 3 years since I was down there. About 3/1 then.
Yeah, right, the girls in Thailand are real dogs. Take a look at this array from the Poseidon massage parlor in Bangkok: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14260.
Nice dogs. They need a stick to play with...
They should have these numbers at VM as well.
"Do you know if number 1178 is working today?"
Carlos Primeros
05-05-06, 23:39
Lorenzo,
I agree 200 % with what you wrote, you should emphasize that the Rio Girls are simply 500 % more active and better than the Thai Girls. They are 200 % GFE and not the "sex-provider" like the Thai girls.
One thing I noticed with ALL THAI GIRLS - regardless where - they are tasting of DEAD FISH AND GARLIC!!!!!!!
did you ever experience that with Rio Girls???? They are 99 % clean and fresh.
Carlos - deposed King of Portugal
"Do you know if number 1178 is working today?"
TAXI - Tony Danza
Oi,
Ibiza here...and back on the circut. Arrived Wednesday 8:00 am, much better to take a flight direct to Rio vs. thru Sao Paulo, except the girl in the SP Duty free is beautiful.
Slept 4 hours on Wednesday , then I was on a mission to replace my favorite massagista, Chris. So I went off to Princess Isabella and banged on a few doors.
The first place Iwent was and old standby, I went to the apartment, I had just got out of the elevator on the 12th floor, and a new girl standing there gives me the GDP eye, I say Oi, voce nome, her name is Bella or something, I take her number and head around the corner. The old standby apartment has no answer. I tried again today and no answer, so maybe that place is closed.
I tried a second known aprtment today and it was no longer a GDP casa.
You get the numbers form the phone boxes in the area. 1st call no answer. 2nd call, bingo, Name , Daniella, cost R$50 per hour, R$50 does exist in Copa. Gave her a spin and received two BBBJ and a 30 min massage. And she will come to my apartment for 90 minutes for R$100. Massagista problem solved.
WED- Walking home from Daniellas apartment I ran into a friend of a friend on Ave atlantica. Agreed to meet both at 10m. Met both at 10:00 and have a chopp, then to my apartment. TLN - 3 pops
Thursday - I am shot, no sleep and to much boink. I decline to meet her Thursday as I am out of gas. So Thursday, I call Maralene, massagista comes to my apprtment, 1 hr $80 m includes taxi.
Friday , I sleep late and walk down to princess isabella again, I dial a phonebox number, and visit her casa, she is average and wants R$100 , no deal, As I am walking out of her aprtment, she starts dropping the proce, but no deal. I walk across to Prada Jr and visit Daniella, her casa sucks, but she is really sweet and nice. 2 pops and a massage, $R50 plus tip of $20, she needs the R$.
I am walking back and I am near mabs when two GDPs say hello. One is about 20 and very hot, her name is fabiana, from Salvador, it is her first day in Rio, I stop at Balcony for a chopp with her and her friend. They start at R$300 and within 30 seconds I nform them that they better get used to $100 for an hour and $150 for 2 hours, they both agree that would be OK. I pass on the cutie Fabiana, but I get her number. She is really cute. Maybe another day.
My point of mentioning this, is that it is impossible to walk around Copa and not see or meet GDP and get new numbers, everyday. They are everywhere, and this is the slow season. I can feel that it is not busy with tourists. I walked by an internet cafe and saw Brenda from Luomo at a desk. This place is like Mayberry RFD.
8:00 pm Friday -I am bored so I flip to the net, Hotside - Mila, I call and she is game, lives in Ipanema. She arrives at 8:45. R$100 plus R$20 taxi, one hour, R$150 2 hrs. I opt for one to start. She is cute and the picture is real. She is as advertised, BBBJ and she is into it. I recommend. Not a star, but certainly not a ripoff.
I have been back in Rio Less than three days and I am sexed out all ready, but tonight I will go to Help, and I rarely go there, to see if I can discover a star.
I will really ask what the prices are and try to get some real info on this.
Time now is 10:15 p.m., and I am off to Help in an hour.
The weather here is cold for Rio, Very little beach action.
I will report on Help later.
Good to be back, but I need to pace myself a bit.
Lancer, when are you coming down? I saw your friend Tatiana on the beach.
The dollar sucks worse than ever.
IBZ
Ibiza my friend, good to have you back. The board was a little quiet this last month. With the exception of all the racial flamming going on. I was trying to come down at the end of May but not sure if it's going to happen yet with this whole work thing. I still regret not banging that Tatiana girl. I think you should take her for a test run and let me know how it is. By the way, how cold is cold for Rio right now??? And yes I know how bad the US dollar blows right now everywhere.
I agree 200 % with what you wrote, you should emphasize that the Rio Girls are simply 500 % more active and better than the Thai Girls. They are 200 % GFE and not the "sex-provider" like the Thai girls.
My comments were tongue in cheek and intended to a sarcastic response to your comments; these Thai girls are anything but dogs. I thought my intent would be obvious, but I guess it was too subtle for some people.
Lorenzo
I went to Help last night and at first I thought it was going to be real slow, the patio started out half full. I went in at 11:45 and there were about 30 people, again I thought it would be slow, but by 1:30 -2:00 it was 3/4 full and the selection of girls was really nice. Several of the old pros, but a lot of new faces as well. Overall it was really good.
I did not get the info I was looking for about pricing as, I got distracted early with an old friend. So I will have to go back and re-investigate the current pricing.
IBZ
Lorenzo,
I agree 200 % with what you wrote, you should emphasize that the Rio Girls are simply 500 % more active and better than the Thai Girls. They are 200 % GFE and not the "sex-provider" like the Thai girls.
One thing I noticed with ALL THAI GIRLS - regardless where - they are tasting of DEAD FISH AND GARLIC!!!!!!!
did you ever experience that with Rio Girls???? They are 99 % clean and fresh.
Carlos - deposed King of Portugal
Generally speaking, Brazilian girls have better bodies than Thais, but Thais have prettier faces. Overall, however, I like Brazilian girls most.
I find it easier to get a GFE in Thailand than in Brazil, Brazilian girls are more business-like and professional IMO.
Brazilian girls are definitely better in the bed, they are more safadas than TG’s.
Regarding cleanliness, both Brazilians and Thais are OK, but Thai girls are obsessively clean - it’s the first time I hear about that dead fish/garlic smell, I have been quite a few times to Thailand and never smelled it, I wonder what sort of girls you picked up.
Carlos Primeros
05-06-06, 21:02
I obviously picked upt girls which had been enjoying too much fish-sauce. Even their pussy smelled of fish and garlic.
Or maybe it is me which as a very sensivite nose???
Carlos
Carlos,
As well as having been to Thailand myself, I’ve also been a regular reader of the Thai forum for the last 5-6 years and no one has ever mentioned that dead fish/garlic smell, not even the guys who posted negative reports about Thailand; so you’re right: maybe your nose is special.
El Austriaco
05-07-06, 00:38
Generally speaking, Brazilian girls have better bodies than Thais, but Thais have prettier faces.
Obviously, everything is really in the eye of the beholder, as they say. Of the Asian countries I'v been to, I'd personally say that everywhere but in Bhutan, they had prettier faces than the Thai girls, generally speaking. And prettier than Brazilian girls? Oh well.
EA
Austriaco,
I agree with you that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I personally think Thais’ faces, on average, are much prettier than Brazilians’, but obviously you may have a different taste, and someone else might have even a different taste to both of us and think, for instance, that aboriginal Australian girls beat both Thais and Brazilians in terms of facial beauty.
Since it’s a matter of personal, subjective taste no one can be right or wrong in this kind of discussion, we just give our own individual feedback based on our particular taste.
Im reading all these posts of comparing different mongering destinations and I remember when I first hit Rio 26 years ago and at the same time I was mongering in Europe and Asia and felt the same way you guys feel today. Only difference is that the rio girls back then were 100 % GFE all the time every time but of course I was a lot younger than too.
I was in Rio last week and unfortunately again had a couple of girls from Help ask for the money up front. The reason why they say they want the money up front is because they give you the impression that they don't trust you but thats not the reason, the reason is because they want to give you bad quick service and get the hell out.
Whenever a girl asks for the money up front even if you give it to her or even if you dont and she is ok with that you can bet that it won't be one of your better experiences. It is better to get rid of her and go back and get another as she is going to be a problem no matter what.
This has been my experience over and over, even if she gives in and says ok, she is going to give maybe a little bit better service but disappointing either way.
For those interested in comparing Rio with Bangkok, I think I wrote the definitive post on that subject back in 2004. Here it is: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=299281&postcount=700.
In reviewing my post, one thing I neglected to mention is the much greater diversity in physical types of garotas in Rio than in Bangkok, which is surely a factor to be taken into consideration.
Lorenzo
Thanks Lorenzo and El Austriaco,
I have been to Thailand a few times. I found it definitely in the same league as Rio, but a completely different experience. In Thailand, a massage parlor experience is like visiting a harem. Girls are there to please you as courtesans. I have had some mindblowing experiences in Bangkok MP´s. Two girls oiling you up and licking you from head to tow. Exquisite. But I digress.
Of course, thailand is a pain to get to. And obviously the girls are asian. If you are not into them, you´re not into them.
Will try DR and CR. How about eastern europe?
She´s an outright lier. Promised anal - refused to do it. I have had similar experiences before, but at least the girls will be apologetic or evasive when you ask for something they promised but don´t want to deliver. This one just outright denied. Also promised bbbj, but had to try very hard to get it out of her. In addition, she wanted to run the whole show. She kept denying every position I wanted to do.
Reported to the manager. He only charged me the entrance fee and didn´t charge for the girl.
By the way, gdp to mongers ratio in termas is anywhere between 2:1 to 4:1 (i.e. 2-4 times as many girls as boys). Visited 4 termas earlier this week - all around 5pm. Its awesome.
I was in Prague many years ago (before they joined the EU). I found the mongering scene to be boring, and very business like. It was very hard to find women who spoke English, however, it may be different now. And the Czech language is difficult as hell. I did meet a nice blonde who worked as a rest. manager in my hotel. We hooked up after work.
Visited one strip club, which sucked. As for escorts, I had several visits. The agency would send out two girls at a time...which was new to me. The services were straight-forward. I will give props to the agency however, when requesting girls, they always showed up within the hour.
I did spend some time at the casino inside the Hilton. Nothing like Vegas. You must give up your passport before entering. Also, you will be searched by two guards, and go through a metal detector. The place was like an underground bunker. Offered were table games only. Maybe a dozen or so people gambling. Met one American, the rest were Russian mafia types.
Drank with a pair of Americans in a dance club. They recently visited Brazil, and stated, "Yeah, the girls in Brazil are very friendly, very friendly." I was sold.
Never visited CR or DR. I do have interest in visiting DR
Will try DR and CR. How about eastern europe?
Time 2200 hrs, raining and cruising the town last nite in Copa/Ipanema. Forgot it was freakin' swingin' nite on in Barra, so I headed to Copa instead! Dammit I'm gonna learn these mongering schedules if it kills me! Oh yeah, had an excellent cabbie by the name of Andre (9116 3536) escorting me around and keeping me company. Good english and good attitude for hanging out while I was dropping in. Keep reading, you'll understand.
Time 2245 hrs, hit Barbarela's first to see what the ratio was getting up to at that time. Probably anywhere from 5 to 6: 1, caught a few heads and attitudes watching me swoop and scope. "Yeah baby, I'll be back. Here, hold my drink". TO BE CONTINUED (read on monger dude).
Time 2330 hrs, went over to Help and was turned completely off to the scene. Somebodies gonna go postal on that place one day if it keeps gathering the same dusty ass!
So basically I scan the whole place like a hawk looking for weak prey. The waiters outside are all trying to run me down and sit me in their area, but I'm too fast for them. I've got an agenda and I'm not getting sidetracked by a bag of chips and fucking beer! Inside is even worse, I look like I'm running from an ex I shorted the night before. I'm in every chics face looking for that secret grin, that devious look in their eye. No points here for grabbing my ass and giving me a line of shit that's older than I am. Why fucking rubberneck around a place like that, spending time and money, when I'm there to get laid and not make friends.
Don't get me wrong, it's not always like this for me, but this Saturday night was special, illuminating and even momentous for even a low life monger like myself. It's been raining here for the past two damn days and I can smell the lure of desperate garotta's all the way from Barra that haven't gotten to air their happy patch on the beach.
This is why I always go alone and do better in that way. I've paid my dues in some of the worst places in Mexico and Venezuala and this place is no different when it comes to scams, schemes and scallywags.
Time 0015 hrs, back to Barbarela's. "lets blow this place Andre". The ratio is a marketable 5: 1 with most of the guys still too drunk to realize that the gate is fixing to drop like a garotta's ass on a six trick night. So I'm fondling Theresa, talking with Isabella and clocking the blond twirling on stage, while every chic in the place is bumming a cigarrete from yours truly. And I don't even smoke! But that's OK, it's why I sit them out plainly on my table like fucking bait. Always an ice breaker to unsuspecting fish, but keep the lighter in your hand and it'll cost them a quick kiss when the bow down to steal this mongers flame! Theresa's a fair skinned chic that speaks decent english, worked in Tokyo for a few years, but is basically too forward and desperate for my taste. Isabella's just off the strip stand and wanting to go home with the first idiot that pulls out R$400 and I think she's beginning to realize its going in one ear and out the other here at this table.
And then there's Jessica. You know the one, she's in every outfit stable enough to hold four walls together and call themselves a club. She's been eyeing me since I got here and bailed the 1st time on a few garotta's she obviously knew. She's ignoring me with intensity and at the same time playing the game effortlessly. She's an asian mix hottie that is literrally dropping the jaw of every guy in the place. And I'm having a hard time myself with her, but I've still got a few alternates I can fire on at any time before it becomes a fucking free for all.
Time 0130 hours, and I'm flanking Jessica every time she makes a move off the dance floor until it's comical for her as well as tactical for me. I buy her a drink and change seats/chics when she gets up to dance. Not sure if I'm pissing her off or turning her on at this point. At the final moment we both decide to come to terms for a pow wow, she caves and realizes how I plan on killing the boredom, as well as the poonanie! I have no time to waste, this place is starting to get ugly. I've got every newbie in the place trying to play my hand for me, but it's fixing to be an all fold situation on this deal.
Time 0230 hrs and R$350 lighter, I've got it all in the palm of my hands. Andre and I had a few laughs as we drop kicked a few stragglers off his lil yellow rocket across the street. Even had a laugh with a cop at the 1st road block. Dammit Man, I have to find an accurate weather almanac next week before I leave for Macae.
Time who the fuck cares, she went back to Barra with me and got more comfortable every time we hit it. Went thru a pack of cigs (did I mention I didn't smoke? ), a 6 pack of beer, room service breakfast, 2 showers each and crashed the pool before it was open this morning. I don't even have enough time to figure out each acronym and give it in sequential order, but GFE is an understatement and a misnomer at this juncture.
When I was walking her down to her cab this afternoon, I asked her why she was so willing to go the extra mile with me. She basically told me she was bored sick and tired of all the guys falling over her and making non-essential conversation. Sure there's a time and place for lush talk and eager looks, but it can't ooze out of every sentence. "there has to be a game to it or its no fun for me", "At one point, I was ready to drop you like a bad habit, but your next come on caught me by surprise", she said. Dammit! This ***** is just asking for a round 2 grudge fuck!
I'll see her again probably an we'll go thru the same motion as before, so sorry, no digits from me here, only advice and a play by play from me.
Note: Too many guys with unbalanced agendas and miscommunicating vibes out there. Now I didn't start this post out to be a fucking commentary, but I soon realized that there are those of us out there that have hangups, read these posts religiously and still wake up the next morning asking "what if" and "why didn't I! ". My answer to those is to not take everything so point to point in these posts and start reading between the lines and crunching your own data. I'll have specific chica data to post in the future and thats a given.
And my answer to everyone else with a lil similar taste for keeping skills sharp; Head on down to Barbarela's and sight in your weapons. It might be a little more R$, but it's always a lot more fun firing off hot ammo than shooting blanks after the money's changed hands.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.
Now that I'm living in Brazil, I've decided to try a few escorts in between my trips to the Termas. In general, my experiences with escorts have been good. They are generally a good value, the pictures are mostly accurate, and are generally open for business starting before lunch. The reviews of individual girls in the local boards also help a lot. However, last week I had a very dissapointing experience with an escort and want to warn you guys to steer clear of this one:
http://sexymix.com.br/sm/modules/free/sophia.php
I was in the mood for a fair-skinned girl and this one was mentioned in one of the local brazilian boards as giving a great BBBJ. The "girl" is by her own admission 37 years old and 30 pounds heavier than in those pictures. She's a also a chain smoker. I was ready to send her home when I saw her at the door, but not having had sex in a couple days and the promise of the a great BBBJ got the best of me. She did give a good BBBJ with CIM for R$100. That's her rate for 2 hours, but I sent her home within 20 minutes.
Hulk, por favor,
I have always be reluctant calling those escorts sites.
If you have any good addresses to tell me , I would be glad to know.
Thanks
The Watcher
05-08-06, 05:15
I was in Rio last week and unfortunately again had a couple of girls from Help ask for the money up front. The reason why they say they want the money up front is because they give you the impression that they don't trust you but thats not the reason, the reason is because they want to give you bad quick service and get the hell out.
Whenever a girl asks for the money up front even if you give it to her or even if you dont and she is ok with that you can bet that it won't be one of your better experiences. It is better to get rid of her and go back and get another as she is going to be a problem no matter what.
This has been my experience over and over, even if she gives in and says ok, she is going to give maybe a little bit better service but disappointing either way.
Rio Bob - once again, you are 100% correct. After two unfortunate experiences and advice from wiser friends, I long ago adopted your wise policy - if a girl asks for money upfront, I send her immediately home.
I, however, will give her 50 - 100 Reais so that she will leave without causing any drama.
Rio Bob - once again, you are 100% correct. After two unfortunate experiences and advice from wiser friends, I long ago adopted your wise policy - if a girl asks for money upfront, I send her immediately home.
I, however, will give her 50 - 100 Reais so that she will leave without causing any drama.
What?
Don't be a fool. If she asks money upfront you may consider it as a breach of contract and there is no reason to give her anything.
50 - 100 R$ is already considerable amount of money in Brasil. This way the ho's get used to ask upfront and keep doing it to other mongers. Do not feed their bad habits.
If you haven't actually fucked them, they have no grounds demanding anything.
Rio Bob - once again, you are 100% correct. After two unfortunate experiences and advice from wiser friends, I long ago adopted your wise policy - if a girl asks for money upfront, I send her immediately home.
I, however, will give her 50 - 100 Reais so that she will leave without causing any drama.
I understand your concern about avoiding drama as just throwing them out certainly can trigger this. Sometimes I'll just say lets take a taxi back to Help together and sometimes they will ask for readmission fee in to Help. Help's admission fee is 32 reais now, about $16, this really is her problem and caused by her bad business practices so it is questionable wether you pay this or not.
The Watcher
05-08-06, 15:04
What?
Don't be a fool. If she asks money upfront you may consider it as a breach of contract and there is no reason to give her anything.
50 - 100 R$ is already considerable amount of money in Brasil. This way the ho's get used to ask upfront and keep doing it to other mongers. Do not feed their bad habits.
If you haven't actually fucked them, they have no grounds demanding anything.Techinically, you are correct in stating that they have no grounds for demanding anything.
Practically, however, you are completely wrong. If the girl gets mad, she could destroy things in your apartment as well as attack you. Also, she could return with the police and you end up paying far more than 50-100 Reais. For me, paying a little bit of money is worth avoiding a whole lot of drama.
Furthermore, as Rio Bob said and as I can testify from personal experience, even if she agrees to take the money later, you will certainly have a bad experience. For me, paying 50-100 Reais is worth avoiding a bad experience that costs 200 Reais.
yesterday was sunday in rio, and i went to rio sul as the weather here has not been good. not one day of good weather for the beach.
the beach vendors, chairs, food, etc have been out of luck.
i only wish the 20 year olds at rio sul had the same interest as 20 the year olds at helpee, then brazil really would be heaven. the 20 year olds in rio sul act just like anywhere else in the world, they are interested in 20-25 year old guys.
i was taking a walk after dinner and decided to walk down to balcony. this place is a mystery to me. i saw a very beautiful girl sitting at the bar. there were only about 10 girls total at 8:30 pm. this girl was one of the preetiest i have ever seen on ave atlantica. i talked to her for a few minutes and she mentioned barbarella. i knew it would be expensive, but i asked anyway. she popped off with $200 usd,. say what!!!. i never said a word except that i needed to leave now. most of you know balcony is normally much lower than this, much lower. at balcony i have seen prices all over the place.
so i was walking towards along ave atlantica and making small talk with the flow of gdp that walk between mp and balcony. normally i stop, say hello and if interested, ask the price and get a number. and last night, i was walking and stopped to talk to beatiz, she is about 5'0", and very cute, i asked her going rate, and in one second she says r$100 for 2 hours. so in 10 minutes i had gone from r$420 to r$100. i made the right choice. bea was fantastic, and stayed 3 hours.
from my experience, the more i am asked to pay, the worse the service usually is, i know sometimes you get a winner, and some of you guys have great experiences with the high priced girls, but for me, it has usually been the worst service, with the highest prices.
it sounds like some of you find high price winners, but i never have.
medium to lower price usually works better for me.
i saw the post about money up front and agree, that is a bad sign. walk away, and if she changes her mind, do not go with her, as it probably will not be that great. i hav edone it twice and both times it was as stated, they could not wait to leave, afte one pop.
anyway, bea told me that business is really slow, and therefore the prices of the smarter girls will be dropping, some will hold out for higher, but they will be hungry. she said may, june and july will be slow and that she knows she needs to adjust her prices. during carnival, she was asking r$200 for 2 hours, but now the bambinos must eat.
yo can see it along ave atlantica, there are more gdp's than customers and the next few months will be very competitive. if you are here, you certainly can bargain more than usual, just remind her that there are not so many touristas around to pick from. last night mp had maybe 6 girls at 8:00, which is normally a busy time at mp, the few hours before helpee opens. it was dead. the weather had some to do with it, but not all.
so the next few months should be better for bargaining, which is needed with the low dollar.
bea mentioned she is aware of the dollar's low value and has adjusted her rates to reflect this.
I will be heading to Rio on May 29th for a 36 day stay. I have been very concerned about the lower value of the dollar, in particular during the last couple of weeks. But the hell with it, I am booked and all is payed for, so there is no choice.
Thanks for sharing the news about Bea. adjusting her prices accordingly( low season, and value of the dollar ), I just hope all of the other gdp's in Rio think the same way. If I were to visit for a week, it would not be such a big deal, just would be a couple of hundred dollars more by the end of the trip, but for a long stay in paradise, one has to be more frugal.
I wonder if escort services and termas will adjust their prices too (wishful thinking). I know Barbarellas won't, they count business tourists or newbies with no idea of the scene. Mangera
California Guy
05-08-06, 20:55
Thanks Lorenzo and El Austriaco,
I have been to Thailand a few times. I found it definitely in the same league as Rio, but a completely different experience. In Thailand, a massage parlor experience is like visiting a harem. Girls are there to please you as courtesans. I have had some mindblowing experiences in Bangkok MP´s. Two girls oiling you up and licking you from head to tow. Exquisite. But I digress.
Of course, thailand is a pain to get to. And obviously the girls are asian. If you are not into them, you´re not into them.
Will try DR and CR. How about eastern europe?
Prague is a great city with amazing women but the p4p scene kind of sucks.
Techinically, you are correct in stating that they have no grounds for demanding anything.
Practically, however, you are completely wrong. If the girl gets mad, she could destroy things in your apartment as well as attack you. Also, she could return with the police and you end up paying far more than 50-100 Reais. For me, paying a little bit of money is worth avoiding a whole lot of drama.
Furthermore, as Rio Bob said and as I can testify from personal experience, even if she agrees to take the money later, you will certainly have a bad experience. For me, paying 50-100 Reais is worth avoiding a bad experience that costs 200 Reais.
I take it that you do not speake Portuguese. If you do nothing like that will ever happen.
The Watcher
05-08-06, 22:29
I take it that you do not speake Portuguese. If you do nothing like that will ever happen.
I do speak Portuguese and a bad lay has happened each of the two times in which I paid upfront. I do not believe the bad lays were related to my Portuguese skills but were caused by the simple fact that a woman who asks for money upfront will be a lousy lay.
If you are referring to drama, this has never happened to me but I did see it happen to a good friend of mine who does speak Portuguese. She caused a lot of drama but she didn't get a chance to destroy any property because he went ahead and paid her so that she would leave.
Maybe she would have left without payment from him but it would have taken a lot of time and effort. I believe (and he believed) it is better to pay than waste valuable vacation time negotiating over $100 Reais.
I have another friend who loves drama and he probably would have adopted your position and would have taken the time to reason with the woman. Different strokes for different folks.
I take it that you do not speake Portuguese. If you do nothing like that will ever happen.
Wether you speak Portuguese or not it has nothing to do with these rip off artists. Nine times out of ten they will back off and take the money later but the original intention was to rip you off, to take your money, give you a lousy quick service and get out of there rapido. Thats why they ask for the money upfront because they know your not gonna like it but tough luck I have your money. Even if you don't give them the money you can see they still want to do the same thing plus half the time you want them to leave anyway because they are always a problem in one way or another, best to just get rid of them from the get go.
One girl who I held the money from told me normally she doesn't even give a BJ she just uses her bucetta. But she gave me one and told me to consider myself lucky, I bet if she had my money I wouldn't be so lucky, the attitude just turned me off anyway, I was happy to get rid of her.
El Austriaco
05-08-06, 23:41
Whether you speak Portuguese or not it has nothing to do with these rip off artists.
True, it doesn't per se, but Portuguese language skills and in-country experience DO play a role in dealing with the potential consequences of a dispute with a GDP. Without such skills and experience, you might be taken for a newbie who can easily be tricked into coming up with some cash at the prospect of having to deal with the police, IMHO.
If you don't speak any Portuguese, the GDP might just start yelling "Policia, Policia" and hope that you are scared enough of the police that you will quickly hand over some cash to simply make her shut up and avoid a scandal. If you do speak Portuguese, you might just wanna say "Sure, go ahead, call the police, and we'll sort it out", and more likely than not, she will just steam off as quickly as she arrived. So in that respect, I think it does matter. Big time.
Although I do not frequent garotas da pista that much any more, when I do, screening GDPs for possible troublemakers and rip-off artists is crucial for me. My policy is to walk at the first sign of trouble.
1) Ask her to make her offer first. If she comes up with a really ridiculous number (like a MP girl asking for R$ 300), send her on her way. There's no point of even negotiating... she just thinks you're stupid. Not a good starting basis for a satisfying experience. In this respect, I fully agree with Ibiza007, who had the following to say:
From my experience, the more I am asked to pay, the worse the service USUALLY is, I know sometimes you get a winner, and some of you guys have great experiences with the high priced girls, but for me, it has usually been the worst service, with the highest prices.
2) If she makes her offer in USD, send her on her way. A hardcore pro who will treat you as such, most likely... including in bed.
3) Watch her while negotiating. If she's dead-on set on a specific price and doesn't display any flexibility in the negotiating game or any humor, most likely, the experience will be bad.
4) Does she display erratic behavior? Any signs of drugs? Get rid of her NOW. Same goes for girls who suggest to buy drugs for you.
5) Offer her a drink. Does she go for the most expensive item on the list and/or suggest you buy drinks for all her friends? Not necessarily a reason for exclusion, but a warning sign for me, nonetheless.
6) About payment, just ask whether she usually gets payment before or afterwards. She tells you "before", she is lying. Goodbye.
7) Go to a love motel, and only bring things you need, so you're not worried about her stealing stuff and causing a scene in your hotel. If she's too keen to go to your hotel only, beware. Pick your own love motels. Never ever go to her place: if she suggests this, send her on her way right away.
I hope this is helpful to avoid problems BEFORE you even agree to take a girl somewhere. Once you're already at your hotel or love motel and she is starting to act up, at the very most, give her R$ 10.00 to catch a cab to go wherever she needs to go. Once.
One thing I've learned in Copacabana: once a GDP becomes convinced that everytime she gives you trouble, you will come up with cash to make her go away, what will you get? You got it: trouble. And more trouble, and more trouble, and even more trouble... and ever more cash, of course, until you finally pull the plug. My recommendation: get rid of a girl at the first sign something is off. Immediately.
Watcher: I mean, if you are willing to shell out R$ 50.00 to R$ 100.00 even at the possibility of trouble, even when you did nothing wrong, how much would you be willing to hand over if she actually shows up with the police with some fabricated story? Not my rationale, just the way a GDP ripoff artist is thinking. Think about it. Don't underestimate them, they are very resourceful and creative.
In other words, it´s a very fine line between sidestepping potential trouble in an intelligent manner and being marked as a sucker and easy victim on the pista.
EA
Although
2) If she makes her offer in USD, send her on her way. A hardcore pro who will treat you as such, most likely... including in bed.EA
This happened at LDV recently in Colombia...well she could be testing u..so if u laugh and she does as well...go to step 2
3) Watch her while negotiating. If she's dead-on set on a specific price and doesn't display any flexibility in the negotiating game or any humor, most likely, the experience will be bad. EA
Very true...
4-6 dead on....
7) Go to a love motel, and only bring things you need, so you're not worried about her stealing stuff and causing a scene in your hotel. If she's too keen to go to your hotel only, beware. Pick your own love motels. Never ever go to her place: if she suggests this, send her on her way right away.EA
I hope this is helpful to avoid problems BEFORE you even agree to take a girl somewhere. Once you're already at your hotel or love motel and she is starting to act up, at the very most, give her R$ 10.00 to catch a cab to go wherever she needs to go. Once. EA
I couldnt agree with u more on the above. Last few trips to rio, I've noticed that more girls using the "I know policia" line. They are getting wise to the fact that most gringoes are scared shit of the police. I normally dont go to help but this past Dec I picked up a help GDP who wanted to break things in the apt because I refused to pay cab fare after what I thought was lousy service...I paid her and she starts screaming in the apt..looked at her in disbelief..so I flashed a 50R and went downstairs w/her "go get a cab and he will give me change" as soon as she was out of the gate I locked it and went upstairs.LOL..watched her from upstairs window for the next 15-20 mins cussing in the street until she got in and went home.
El Austriaco
05-09-06, 02:08
This happened at LDV recently in Colombia...well she could be testing u..so if u laugh and she does as well...go to step 2.
Funny that you happen to mention LDV (La Dolce Vita, Cartagena, Colombia, for those who don´t know), Carrib. I was there in November 2005, and while the girl I was talking to didn't quote me in USD and had a great sense of humor regarding the whole negotiation, she ended up being very unflexible regarding her rate and wouldn't even budge one Colombian Peso from her initial offer, so ultimately, I said no. As a matter of fact, I wrote about it in a post (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=415415&postcount=1090).
And of course, while I use the negotiating stage to size girls up as potential troublemakers, they do exactly the same with me, or anyone else for that matter. Even innocent enough sounding questions like "Where are you from?", "When did you get here?", "How long are you gonna be around?", "Which hotel are you staying at?" and, especially, "Have you been to Rio before?" provide important clues as to how much you are worth as a client and their potential payoff. Other factors, e.g. your ability to speak Portuguese, how you treat them, and your general demeanor provide the remaining information they need to properly size you up in terms of financial prospects and potential for being a problematic john. Pretty much everything a GDP says to you before the deal is closed has a specific purpose. Treat it just like any other sales pitch. But while they test me all along the way, so do I.
EA
Go to a love motel, and only bring things you need, so you're not worried about her stealing stuff and causing a scene in your hotel. If she's too keen to go to your hotel only, beware. Pick your own love motels. Never ever go to her place: if she suggests this, send her on her way right away.
El Austriaco is absolutely right, and I think this is a point that can't be stressed often enough, that you're playing with fire if you bring a GDP back to your apartment. Even if she doesn't steal anything and/or you are smart enough to hide anything she might want to steal anyway, the key point is that once you have brought her back to your place, SHE KNOWS WHERE YOU LIVE. When you consider that many, if not most, of the GDPs who work out of Help and MP are products of the favela and prettified gutter trash, then as such they probably know people in a criminal subculture. So, it is not so far fetched that she could come back to your place with a thug boy friend (TBF), coax you into letting her in, then have TBF force his way in and rob you blind and maybe even put your life in danger. Believe me, this has happened, and not just in Rio. There was an item on the Brazil forum quite a while back citing an article in the Brazilian press about just such a thing happening to a German tourist, and the end result was the guy being thrown out of a seventh floor window! So I repeat, never let a GDP know where you live.
I suppose the above doesn't apply if you are staying in a hotel, especially an upscale one, because the hotel management isn't likely to let two people who aren't registered go up to a room. I have made arrangements for termas girls to come to my hotel, but I always meet them in the lobby to be sure that they are alone. And even in a hotel, either never let her out of your sight, or hide anything she could steal. I think more mongers need to be security conscious.
Lorenzo
I just can't agree enough with pretty much all your posts, any new visitor to Rio or to mongering in general should do a search for "The Austrians" posts and take notes. I find myself saving alot of his posts.
El Austriaco
05-09-06, 02:54
When you consider that many, if not most, of the GDPs who work out of Help and MP are products of the favela and prettified gutter trash, then as such they probably know people in a criminal subculture.
Before someone even questions the truth in this statement for a second, let me ask you a question right away: the GPDs you meet in Copacabana, what would they do for a living if they hadn't been born with a pussy they are able to sell? What would they do if they were men? Exactly. They would be doing what their brothers and cousins with the same background are most likely doing: surviving as a criminal or drug dealer. Or both. And since there is no reason a GDP couldn't be doing everything at the same time, what guaranties do you really have to justify taking one to your place?
Brazilians won't take people they have just met and don't yet trust back to their home. Neither should you.
I do understand, of course, that there are quite a bit of fellow mongers out there who like the TLN experience, and they are in a quandary. Like Lorenzo, I do recommend added security precautions in this case which may be borderline extreme for some. So if you just have to take her to your hotel or apartment, at least never give her your last name, make sure she has no way to find out about your address or phone number back home (be careful with those luggage tags!), use the safe at all times for stuff you can't afford to lose (passport, CCs, valuables, etc.), and make sure there is no way she can slip something into drinks, for example (because in that case, Boa Noite Cinderella will turn into Boa Noite All Your Money and Belongings). Also, the required registration at the hotel front desk should be an additional deterrent (obviously, this does not apply in the case of apartments).
Earlier in my mongering carreer, I was a TLN guy, too. I no longer am, and I can honestly say I am much happer that way, avoiding all the above risks and annoyances. Now, I do girls almost exclusively on site (termas) or in love motels, for peace of mind. And I don't even tell them the hotel I am staying at.
EA
Before someone even questions the truth in this statement for a second, let me ask you a question right away: the GPDs you meet in Copacabana, what would they do for a living if they hadn't been born with a pussy they are able to sell? What would they do if they were men? Exactly. They would be doing what their brothers and cousins with the same background are most likely doing: surviving as a criminal or drug dealer. EA
For those of you who have been to Rio before, ever wonder where all the men are? They exist in the shadows, but they are there, which is why you should be always be careful. Try staying up all night and observing from your apartment or hotel window as the night turns to day. You will see them or the girls going home to them. I personally find it very interesting, but most of us never notice it. It is amazing the things you will see. You will see people trying to Survive and beat goes on. With that said, I still enjoy every minute I send in Rio!
RonnyRon
I admit that I am a TLN guy. Everything stated in the last few posts is spot on. Once you get the girls into your hotel, all bets are off.
Once I picked up a GDP at Mab's. She quoted me a good rate, but proceeded to raid my minibar in the hotel room, plus took my Lagerfeld cologne. Everything else was in the safe; so I got away relatively cheap.
Some of the girls are not criminals, but just freaks. One wanted me to choke her during sex. I refused. But I can see how this could get out of hand real easy. She could have done this just for kicks. Then her life could be in danger with the wrong guy. Or it could be a clever ploy. Because once she has choke marks on her neck and then starts yelling for the police, I bet that the unlucky sucker would pay a lot of money to get out of that pickle.
The one time I got really scared was when this streetwalker I picked up at Scotch Bar started snoring coke in my bathroom. Drugs and hookers in my hotel room is a bit too risky for my taste. I kicked her out.
If you are in Rio for a conference or convention, taking a girl back to your conference hotel is asking for trouble. If she makes a scene, then there is all kinds of collateral damage this could do to your career.
If you do take-home service with a GDP you do not know, then forget about a good night's sleep. Once you doze off, you are in real danger. And a robbery may be the least of your worries. Every GDP has a cell phone. She can call a couple of thugs, let them in to your apartment, and you could get kdnapped for ransom. If the GDP even only gets a glimpse of your address in your home country (luggage tags, business cards, ...), you could be imporating all kinds of blackmail trouble. And the list goes on and on.
So why TLN? For me, there is nothing like waking up after a night of sex and having that morning wooddie tended to by a sexy garota.
Lately, I have restricted my takeout adventures to terma girls. Of course there is still a good deal of risk there, but at least you can go back to the terma, where she is under contract.
There is no such thing as safe mongering. Our activity carries quite a bit of risk. Of course it is foolish to invite unnecessary risk into the game, but a little bit of risk is part of the fun for me.
euro
Had a look at the abbreviations and saw that a TLN means the girl is there all night but what is GDP? (I'm reasonably sure it doesn't mean Gross Domestic Product) Thanks.
El Austriaco
05-09-06, 05:13
Had a look at the abbreviations and saw that a TLN means the girl is there all night but what is GDP? (I'm reasonably sure it doesn't mean Gross Domestic Product) Thanks.
GDP = Garota de Programa. A girl that is turning tricks (euphemistically called "programas" in Brazilian Portuguese). If a girl wants to let you know she is hooking, she will most likely call herself a "garota de programa" or say that she is doing "programas". Fazer programa = working as a hooker. They hardly ever refer to themselves as "prostitutas" or "putas", which both have a negative connotation. GDP is fairly neutral.
In some of the cheap Centro termas, instead of "programa", they also use the term "relax". So in there, "relaxing" (fazer relax) for 20 minutes means anything but relaxing for 20 minutes... quite the opposite, actually :)
Hope this helps.
EA
Thanks for EA to clarify the issue that I was a bit too busy to explain.
Anyway, as EA said if you haven't done anything wrong there is no reason to be scared of the police. Actually you are allowed to use reasonable means to protect yourself and your property, even in Brasil.
To me this seems like that the americans are the ones who doesn't trust police or are even scared of them. Since I lived in US for a year I can understand why. I'd be too if the police were like this in my country, not to mention in Brasil.
So if you have reasonable skills in Portuguese and you haven't beaten the shit out of the GDP you have nothing to fear. Of course if you don't speak the language or your skills are not that good, you're pretty much fucked.
El Austriaco
05-09-06, 06:58
Thank you all for your kind words, guys. Since coming back from Brazil less than three weeks ago, I´ve written a series of posts on prices, girls and safety in Copacabana, reports on MV 30 and cheaper downtown options, and posted pictures of carnaval da rua, Plataforma, Copa GDPs and general pictures of non-pros on Ipanema beach. While still in Brasil, I reported on safety issues and cabs and provided a description of a favela tour. Before I shut up for a while (because I am sure some of you must be sick to read my stuff every day), I wanted to make one longer post about a special experience of mine. Needless to say, a day-by-day report is pretty useless when you're talking about a three-month trip, so I decided to pick one day that particularly sticks out in my mind, some three-and-a-half weeks ago. Just to give those thinking about coming to Rio a taste of the local flavor and life down here. Sex and the potential of crime. Enjoy.
EA
P.S.: I might report on the different touristy options both inside and outside of Rio, including lots of pictures (just got them back, so I am stuck with sifting through about 800 of them... uffffffffff). Not sure whether Rio 2006 Reports or the Photo Section are the right places, though. Might do it in General Info.
El Austriaco
05-09-06, 07:00
I had been raining like cats and dogs all morning and afternoon, so I decided to call a cab to take me to the downtown Avianca office to change my return flight. Earlier that day, when I had called them, a guy had told me that I would have to show up in person to take a look at the non-electronic ticket to determine how much the charge would be. Most likely 300 Reais, he mentioned, though he wasn’t sure. Considering that I would be carrying my passport, plane ticket, and cash, I opted against taking the subway to Carioca and looking for Rua Almirante Barbosa in the downpour. So off I went.
When the cabbie arrived, I immediately recognized Arturo. Once we had left the Bairro Peixoto and were rounding the corner at the São Batista cemetery in Botafogo, he looked in the rear-view mirror and asked me whether I was the guy he had taken to the interior on several occasions before with his wife and kid. Ex-wife, I specified (thinking “ex-girlfriend”, actually). We ended up chatting all the way to Centro on the drive along the Botafogo Bay and the Aterro de Flamengo, about women, of course, Rio, tourists, and the tanking dollar. Ultimately, Arturo made sure to drop me off exactly in front of my building, as the rain kept coming down harder and harder.
What awaited me at the Avianca office was a surprise, though a positive one – not something I’ve been very likely to experience in Rio. Not only had the travel date I had changed over the phone already been confirmed, but there was also no charge for it? Nada, zero, zilch. Uh? I suddenly felt 300 Reais richer. 150 bucks that can definitely buy you some fun in Rio, and lots of it.
Somehow, I just didn’t feel like returning to Copacabana just yet. After buying the least gay-looking umbrella I could find at the closest street stand (of course, they had run out of black ones a long time ago), I decided to start walking down Av. Rio Branco in the direction of the Uruguiana subway station, slipping and sliding in an out of my totally drenched Ipanemas. Maybe I should go shopping for shoes, I thought. After all, flip-flops were everything I had brought since I had taken off from my crazy ex-GF in a hurry the day before to hide out in Rio for a while and let things calm down a bit. At least the umbrella kept me reasonably dry, although its leopard print did get some looks from the wrong sex as I was heading down the street. Despite the heavy rain, there were just as many people in the street as always. It was about 4:30 PM, rush hour traffic. Apparently, life continues as usual despite the weather conditions in downtown Rio, the constant ebb and flow of gorgeous girls of all sizes and colors not excluded. Did I tell you already that I just love Centro?
By the time I was almost hydroplaning out of the Ipanemas with every step and I knew I just had to stop somewhere, I had reached the corner of Rua da Alfândega. Disregarding the outdoor places in the area, I decided to check out Terma 502 for a quick dry-up and take a look around.
The front-desk girl asked me whether I knew the place. Yes, I did, of course. Minimum consumption was still R$ 10.00, which buys you two beers or soft drinks. My first impression was that things were pretty much the same as the last time I went there, back in July of 2005. The receptionist pointed to the listed prices hanging on the wall:
20 minutes @ R$ 77.00/cabin
30 minutes @ R$ 88.00/cabin
40 minutes @ R$ 102.00/cabin, R$ 142 suite
60 minutes @ R$ 112.00/cabin, R$ 182 suite
I nodded, and she handed me the electronic ticket. Well, maybe things have changed a bit, though, because last year, they still used simple paper slips for the bartender to check off drinks. I thanked her, and the girl pointed me to the room behind me. What? Yes, she insisted. The thing is, 502 has two main boite areas where girls hang out, a large one behind the reception area, the other one facing the street. Wondering whether they possibly hadn’t opened up the big one yet that early in the day, I turned around and entered.
Let me explain something right here. Terma 502 is different from most other Rio termas I know, in a number of respects. There are no robes, first and foremost, so you enter in your street clothes. There is no sauna, and shower facilities are only found in the suites. In other words, 502 is more like a traditional *****house, with two bar areas with girls, and on-site facilities. Also, there is no entrance fee, and no charge for the room (unless you choose a suite, of course).
I took a look around the room. While there were still not a lot of people, all tables but two were occupied by about 10 girls and 10 customers, roughly. It was somewhat difficult to see in the dim light. No one was dancing, just chatting, with a few groups of girls and guys sitting by themselves. So I sat down at one of the vacant tables in the far corner.
Diametrically across the room, I noticed two mulatas eagerly chatting away and throwing some glances and smiles in my direction once in a while. I just laughed it off, knowing that I wouldn’t be sitting alone by myself much longer. The slimmer one of the two didn’t waste a lot of time, and after about five minutes, she came straight over.
“Hi! My name is Andreza!”
As she was standing about ten 10 inches from me in her high-heel leather boots, I couldn’t hold back a smile as I slowly raised my head, stopping a bit to let the memories come back about the tattoo on her hip and the pierced belly button.
“Well”, I said. “You don’t really think that I have forgotten you, right?”
She looked me straight in the eye and smiled. “Of course not, EA. How’s your son? What’s his name… EB?” (1)
I was almost falling off my chair, laughing my ass off. Fucking shit, I really can’t got anywhere any more in Rio without being recognized. How long ago was it that I met Andreza? Wasn’t that in July 2005? Which was the first and ONLY time I spent a night with her? And she remembers not only my name, but my son’s… who wasn’t even born back then? This is just fucking refucking unbelievable. That’s Rio for you right there… in a nutshell.
So we chatted along like long-lost friends or reunited lovers. Of course, she wanted to know why I had never called her last year or had never come back to see her at 502, about my son, about life in a small city in the interior of Rio de Janeiro. She told me about the small house she bought for her son in Campo Grande. She explained that the main room at 502 was closed for renovation because of water damage. Between French kisses and touches in all the right places, we were laughing for hours about the downright absurd ups and downs of life in Brazil, the upcoming WC 2006, and swapping stories of whoring and mongerdom.
Once I opted for the one-hour cabin with her, she countered with 40 minutes in a suite, with a promise to make it a full hour for me. So off we went. Services are paid in cash on the upper floor, like in other termas. The suite was quite spectacular and featured a dome with a reproduction of Boticelli’s Venus. Fancy. The WC/shower area, however, was nothing to write home about.
We cuddled for about 10 minutes before switching to DFK and sucking on her tits for another 10 or so. Andreza then proceeded with an incredible, sloppy, expert BBBJ. After 20 minutes of this, I was so hot I decided to blow it all over her face, lips, and tongue. She took it like a champion, for the most part, gagging a bit and ultimately spitting some of it out…
When she saw the expression on my face, she just smiled and said, “Salgado!” Salty… hahahahahha. She said, “You don’t believe me?” She then DF kissed me to make me taste my own cum. I told her, “You know, I think I will always remember this moment whenever I hear the term “Salgado” at a bakery the next time.” LOL.
We took a quick shower and headed back to bed. We talked, she handled me while I continued to finger her pink pussy. As soon as she got me hard again, I told her.. OK.. let’s 69. She responded, “This prick is mine”, and proceeded to blow me again for 10 minutes.
Once I was ready to fuck her, the phone rang: time was up. So I added another 30 minutes in a cabin, but management upgraded me so I wouldn’t have to leave the suite. We fucked the rest of the time in missionary and doggy, everything covered, of course. Finally, I shot my load over her porn star bubble butt.
We took another shower and kept talking for another half an hour or so, without any time pressure. After a quick kiss goodbye, I decided to head back to Copacabana, although 502 would stay open until midnight (Monday through Saturday).
All being said and told, total damage was R$ 245.00:
60 minutes suite @ rate of 40 minutes cabin R$ 142.00
30 minutes suite @ rate of 30 minutes cabin R$ 88.00
Consumption R$ 15.00
By the time I was leaving, it was about 8:30 PM. It was just a short walk to the Uruguaiana station. 20 minutes later, I was back at Siqueira Campos in Copacabana.
After stopping at the hotel and taking a quick nap, I decided it was time to have a bite. On Rua Figueiredo Magalhães, just across the street from the Copa d’Or hospital, there is a Galeto, a run-of-the mill neighborhood restaurant with plenty of good food at very reasonable prices that is open until late at night (at least midnight). I decided to have the breaded chicken breast with French fries as well as rice and beans (of course). Add a bottle of mineral water, and the total damage was R$ 10.00. A perfectly acceptable meal for not even five bucks.
After leaving, I decided that I wouldn’t mind hanging out a little bit more, though I was reluctant to hit the orla these days. Well, let’s see, I might catch a cab to Terraço Atlântico a bit later on, perhaps. Just a few steps up the hill, smack at the corner of Figueiredo Magalhães and Praça Vereador Rocha Leão, there is a small unassuming bar whose name I don’t recall now, like so many others all over Rio, with a few tables outside, just across the street from a Swinger’s Club and a Paixão do Pão bakery. Considering that it hadn’t stopped raining all day, there were just a few people there sitting at the bar and on a few tables outside, smack against the wall, protected by the building. I decide to have a couple of Antârcticas. It must have been 11:00 PM by then.
I’ve always enjoyed the Bairro Peixoto area of Copacabana for its very quiet and residential character, despite the fact that it is relatively far from the usual P4P spots in Copacabana. With all the families with kids and dogs, the market at Praça Edmundo Bittencourt, and the TV crews shooting the latest episodes of the ever so popular telenovelas, it feels like a totally different world to me, light years away from the hustle and bustle of Avenida Atlântica. There is one thing that you should never forget there, however. Wedged between the Morro dos Cabritos and the Morro de São João and separated from Botafogo by yet another slab of rock, there are some notorious favelas in close proximity, in particular Ladeira das Tabajeiras, whose entrance is located just off Siqueira Campos (virtually across the street from L’Uomo, actually). Not that you would need a reminder, anyway. Gunshots are fairly common at night, announcing the arrival or departure of drug shipments, as explained to me by some local residents.
But this was a quiet night. At around 11:30, some fairly young kids kept arriving, chatting with the one waiter I had befriended on some earlier visits, and hanging out in front of the bar, with apparently nothing to do. This was something I have noticed earlier at this place, that in fairly regular intervals, unaccompanied teenagers would arrive, always coming from the direction of Ladeira das Tabajeiras. They would hang around for a while, sometimes disappear just to resurface an hour later, sometimes taking cabs to take off to God knows where. Even more strangely, some seemed to be expecting phone calls on the three orelhões, the big public phones right at the corner. The phone calls would come, they would talk for a while, maybe stay… or maybe not. Very intriguing indeed.
We were pushing midnight by the time a girl I had seen on several occasions before answered yet another call. She yelled out at the bartender, my friend. He picked up the phone and quietly talked for a moment. Once or twice, I noticed him looking in my direction. I smiled back at him, signaling that no, I was still good, no reason yet to bring another beer, thumbs up.
Fifteen minutes later, he sat down next to me, and we start chatting about the bad spell of weather and the resulting lack of customers, the recent shootout in Balcony, public safety in the area, and the neighboring favelas, of course.
“You know”, he said, “you are actually quite safe here. The drug lords wouldn’t want anything to happen close to the favelas that would interfere with the drug trade. So no problem there. Plus, they know what is going on down here, anyway.”
“How do you know?”, I asked.
“I live there”, he said, pointing in the direction of the favela hovering above us. “They are watching everything, you know.”
Then it dawned upon me. I said, “So… the kids I see coming down from that direction every day… hanging out here, they are basically watching the action on the asfalto, right?”
He just smiled and said “Of course. And reporting back.”
“So the phone calls… that’s them calling from up there?”
He just smiled and winked at me.
“And when I saw you pick up the phone just now?”, I insisted.
“Don’t worry”, he grinned. “I told them you are nice guy. You’re cool, man.”
He patted me on the shoulder, and left to take care of other customers. I finished my drink and decided to head home. It must have been 12:30 or so. I had gotten the message.
EA
(1) Name of my son changed to fictitious ISG user name. At the same time, I am proud to report he has already visited MP and Balcony.
Great report EA, keep them cumming.
BootyTapper
05-09-06, 17:34
Excellent reports EA, keep them coming! Your reports always have very good information, even for experienced mongers. I am looking forward to reading the tourist reports inside and outside of Rio!
The posts by EA and Lorenzo are great...Here are my two cents.
I was in Rio last June and July, and never had a problem with my TLN sessions with 'garotas da pista' at MP or Balcony Bar or the resturant outside of Help. I never a problem with price quotes, security, hassle, etc...all sessions back at my apartment...and here are my pointers.
1) Always select the apparent novices and newcomers...or the 7s vs. your 9s and 10s. After a few brews, all 7s are 9s anyhow. The chicks with the best cell phones, hottest clothes, etc. are the ones best at ripping people off. Average chicks in Rio still have bomb a$$es and pu$$ies, so you are not sacraficing much. Go to termas for you super 10s.
2) I speak a broken Portuguese and lots of Spanish, and I always spent about an +1hr chatting with them before 'saindo.' I always got a plate of french fries and a few cervezas (lossen her up and weighed her down...starches do that)...its cheap and appreciated...
3) I tell her that I've been around Rio and Salvador several times and 'know the deal.' I say I never pay more than 100R for a few hours and 150 TLN. I say they can take it or leave it, because there are plenty of girls around (which they obviously realize). I say if she's cool, we can exchange numbers and chill more frequently, etc.
This leads her to a) believe you are not a fool, b) promotes good service because of potential repeat biz (these chicks love stable cash flow even if for 3 days), and c) encourages her to just close the deals since it is about 1am at this point and she's tired and tipsy and has gotten comfortable with you as a person and needs money to get home.
I have rarely had the 150R offer turned down. If she does, and I really want her, I just order another beer, and she's good within 30 more minutes. Even the most hardcore GDPs take 100-150R every night vs. +300R for 2 hours maybe once a week. Even hookers are risk averse!
4) My apartment is always secure as Fort Knox and I always build a relationship with the porter upon my initial arrival (tip him for some bullsh*t or bring back a sandwich after lunch). I dont risk her taking anything (everything but soap and rubbers are in the safe), and the late-night porter will just kick her ass if she is trouble.
5) In my apt, I always have some food and drink around...free food is like a god-send to these girls...these chicks and their kids are hungy--plain and simple. Having a loaf a bread and peanut butter around for Rio girls is like having chilled lobster tails and Dom around for these stuck-up NYC b*tches.
6) I usually have travel size toiletries that chicks can take with them...another gift from GOD to these girls. They cost 99 cents and are worth gold to them!
This all makes them feel more appreciated, etc. Hookers are women too! Many are poor and struggling, but still want to feel 'romantica' and stuff. As a result, word spreads that you are 'tao legal'...the next thing you know, you are banging this girl, her friends, her sister, her cousins, her aunts, her mom, and her daughters if they are old enough...you would never have to go to MP, Help, or Balcony Bar again! And you start to command quasi-local rates, which are much different than Avenida Atlantico rates...truss me!
I would especially pursue this strategy if you are in Rio for long amounts of time, because you can evolve into a long-term GFE with several girls, where you are no longer paying an hourly or nightly rate...and essentially lower your average cost per lay!
... In my apt, I always have some food and drink around...free food is like a god-send to these girls...these chicks and their kids are hungy--plain and simple. Having a loaf a bread and peanut butter around for Rio girls is like having chilled lobster tails and Dom around for these stuck-up NYC b*tches...
Monger 3, lots of good advices.
I haven't meet any GP (or regular girl) that's doesn't have a sweet tooth. A Nutella-sandwich will get them in a good mood. Chocolate or snacks from back home works as well. Imported liquor (Jägermeister makes wonders) is very good to loosen up the regular girls. As long as it's importado they will get very impressed.
Small presents are also excellent. It will get you a better deal, better service and maybe a freebie. Then she will show her nice present to her colleagues who will all queue up for going to your apartment to eat Nutella-sandwiches and do their best to deserve a present.
I am sorry, but I think that you interpret wrongly.
These girls make a monthly salary in a couple of lays. They spend most of their money on fancy clothes and cellphones. Taking the food is just another way of maximizing their return on investment.
I once had a garota that wore fancy expensive clothes that rampaged my hotel bar and took all the sweets!
Regards to all.
Bimbo Boy.
5) In my apt, I always have some food and drink around...free food is like a god-send to these girls...these chicks and their kids are hungy--plain and simple. Having a loaf a bread and peanut butter around for Rio girls is like having chilled lobster tails and Dom around for these stuck-up NYC b*tches.
Tricktracy
05-11-06, 23:55
Monger 3, lots of good advices.
I haven't meet any GP (or regular girl) that's doesn't have a sweet tooth. A Nutella-sandwich will get them in a good mood. Chocolate or snacks from back home works as well. Imported liquor (Jägermeister makes wonders) is very good to loosen up the regular girls. As long as it's importado they will get very impressed.
Small presents are also excellent. It will get you a better deal, better service and maybe a freebie. Then she will show her nice present to her colleagues who will all queue up for going to your apartment to eat Nutella-sandwiches and do their best to deserve a present.I'm planning to make a care package (about eight) of chocolate bars, candels, bags and either cookies or nailfiles. All from the dollar store, cost about 20.00 bucks. Never did this before, but I see how much better the girls will perform after the gifts.
I don't know where someone originally gave me the idea for bringing little nick nacks down for the girls but it does work wonders. On my trip to Rio in January I brought down about $20 worth of candy(Yes I too have a sweet tooth). The thing I found the girls loved best were blow pops(Go figure!!)Serioulsy though, I stopped at Bath and Body Works before I left and picked up 15 small bottles of there body lotions and sprays which all total was about another $20. And for my grand prize, I picked up a CD walkman for my flight which I never used for $10 and you'd a though I gave away a plasma TV. For all of $50 total I had my gift table fully stocked and I would let the girls take one or two things. If all it takes is a little body lotion and a sucker to get a little extra out of a GDP then it's a great investment. However I always keep the Red Vines for myself. :o
Agree with Sperto, Lancer520, and TrickTracy -- little gifts are excellent motivators and thank you presents. In my experience, the GDPs are very brand conscious, so I bring Victoria's Secrets body spray, lotions, bath gel, scrubs, etc (usually available for 6 for $30 at VS stores in the US). VS is a luxury brand in Brasil, and prices are three times as high there for VS products. They love the scents, and I enjoy the thorough slow mutual washing in the shower with some decent toiletries. If you really want to spring for a favorita, bring VS's So Sexy shampoo: it costs a bit more, but they love it (no decent shampoos in Brasil).
I also take some chocolate and leave it out in dishes on the tables in the suite. M&Ms (plain and almond) are instantly recognized; chocolate covered raisins went fast once I figured out the Portuguese word for raisin (passa); and Trader Joes has plenty of other good treats that are cheap. Of course, I ate more of it than all the girls combined, I think; another good reason for bringing plenty.
Lancer520's idea about the CD walkman is excellent - anything electronic is expensive there, and the girls always want music.
Appleone
For those interested in comparing Rio with Bangkok, I think I wrote the definitive post on that subject back in 2004. Here it is: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=299281&postcount=700.
In reviewing my post, one thing I neglected to mention is the much greater diversity in physical types of garotas in Rio than in Bangkok, which is surely a factor to be taken into consideration.
LorenzoLooked at your 2004 post - a couple differences of opinion, but comparing Rio to Pattaya rather than Bangkok. Pattaya is the better monger haven in Thailand and a better place to stay overall. Sex is much cheaper in Pattaya than Rio - easy to find hot girls for $13-26 on Beach Road or in the discos and beer bars. Only the most expensive go-go girls cost $50-60 (and that's the most anyone ever asks - no negotiation to get to <$100 as in Rio and CR). Also, I've never had a problem taking girls to my room in Thailand for no charge (including 2 girls at a time), whereas in Rio I've either not been allowed to bring them in or was charged - of course, it depends on where you stay. Almost all of the budget hotels in Pattaya are girl-friendly. Also, the price of food and hotels is cheaper in Thailand (esp with strong Real). I pay $17-25/ night for hotel in Pattaya within 1 block of the beach - $25 includes ocean view. Personally I find the food to be better in Thailand and the variety of food available to be better. I do agree with those who think Brazilian and latina women tend to be more passionate, though I have been with many Thais also who were quite horny and fun. Also, I've almost never been asked to wear a cover in Thailand for BJ. One advantage of Rio is the beautiful beaches with gorgeous girls in thong bikinis - those will always lure me back. I also like the variety of travelling to several different locales - latinas/cariocas on one trip, asians on the next.
Exec Talent
05-12-06, 23:15
what a unique concept! I travel a lot and seem to always get great rooms, nice rental cars and good seats on planes all because I am nice to those lowly employees who are responsible for handing out rooms, rental cars and seats.
It really is not that hard to be nice, respectful and yes, tip well, people who are in the service industries. And, that includes GDPs.
Guys who come on here and speak disparagingly about women have no clue.
Newbies (and vets who have yet to get religion) are wise to follow the advice of Appleone, Sperto, Lancer520, and TrickTracy. Girls often have a choice whom they see, even in a termas (they are pretty good at hiding in the back when certain guys are around).
Be nice, be a boyfriend, but never and I mean never, pay up front.
I have been getting a lot of phone calls lately. Oi amore, why do you not call me..... Times are tough here in Rio,
The weather sucks, mostly rain, so very few opportinities for the beach girls, even MP has had a weak crowd. Help patio is busy at night, but the girls are complaining.
I had one say I was about the only gringo/tourista in town.
With bad weather, very few people walking at night, fewer choices for the girls. But yet, a few hold out for R$300, and I think they are left sitting outside help at 3:00am.
i saw a girl from barbarella working Help patio.
I can attest the weather here is very poor, Rains almost every day.
One new highlite. Try the nightclub MELT in Leblon, I was able to get a few normal girls to converse without any problem, and I am over 40.
Try MELT, it is a cool club anyway, it is near Davassa in Leblon.
I do think that negotiations can be made here now, and there seem to be alot of girls from Bahia around.
I am very often approached on Copa Ave by girls I have met in the past and they are very anxious to have me call them.
And I certainly notice many girls have just flat left town, for three months they say. To many mulhers and not enough gringos, is what they claim.
There are still plenty to choose from, but it is slower.
If you come now, bring R$10 for two umbrellas. I must have bought 10 of these R$ 5 umbrellas. At that price, they are disposable items. I seem to buy a new one everytime it rains and then when it rains and a girl is leaving she takes one with her.
I have know idea how a product made in China, can travel the worls, and end up selling for retail $2.50 usd, They must make these things in China for under a $1.00.
You guys are right about the small gifts, they love them. And be sure that you will usually get worked for drinks, cigarretes, and drinks for friends at Help. Another trick I was victim to was " She said, Oh you do not need to wait in line, I will get your entrance ticket, for you," cost me double entry fee.
If you find a nice girl on the help patio, just ask her if she is going in, and tell her you will meet her inside. Two reasons, 1. You might see something you like more when you are inside, and 2. you will not have to pay her entry fee and have her cling to you all night. FYI.
IBZ
Tricktracy
05-13-06, 01:18
Agree with Sperto, Lancer520, and TrickTracy -- little gifts are excellent motivators and thank you presents. In my experience, the GDPs are very brand conscious, so I bring Victoria's Secrets body spray, lotions, bath gel, scrubs, etc (usually available for 6 for $30 at VS stores in the US). VS is a luxury brand in Brasil, and prices are three times as high there for VS products. They love the scents, and I enjoy the thorough slow mutual washing in the shower with some decent toiletries. If you really want to spring for a favorita, bring VS's So Sexy shampoo: it costs a bit more, but they love it (no decent shampoos in Brasil).
I also take some chocolate and leave it out in dishes on the tables in the suite. M&Ms (plain and almond) are instantly recognized; chocolate covered raisins went fast once I figured out the Portuguese word for raisin (passa); and Trader Joes has plenty of other good treats that are cheap. Of course, I ate more of it than all the girls combined, I think; another good reason for bringing plenty.
Lancer520's idea about the CD walkman is excellent - anything electronic is expensive there, and the girls always want music.
AppleoneThat right Appleone these girls do like music, I forgot about that. A few cd-r might go real far with the ladies, mixtapes of rock, hip hop or jazz might make the night realy interesting. I'll add that to my care package and see what happen. Thanks for the insight.
I always bring gifts to Rio of various worth.
I buy a lot of cheap girlie things like Christmas bargain gifts that you find a Macy's and Sears; and a few very nice things: perfume, purses, etc.. from the non-bargain section.
However I don't consider them gifts but more like trophies or prizes for overnight performance.
The girl with the best performance and looks gets the Grand Prize.
The girls with mediocre performance and good looks get the smaller prizes.
Bad Performance and not so good looks never make it to my apartment.
Most girls are appreciative of the gifts and I do believe it goes a long way, especially with your regulars.
pop till you drop,
hojo
Apple One, your report on Layla is right on the money, she is very good, and speaks good english? She loves SEX and more SEX. I do not think you can wear her down in one hour. I saw her in her apartment, but is was a while ago.
I will try one of your other suggestions as well.
Great reports...
Thanks
IBZ
I Don't Know If This Is The Right Place To Make This Suggestion But I Think That The Brazil Forum Should Have A List Topic Of Every City Like The Ones In The Colombia And Venezuela Forum.
In This List We Would Write Down All The Mongering Information That U Will Need In Every City.
What Do U Fellow Mongers Think About That?
Hi,
I sincerely appreciate your reports, but...
Would you please STOP capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!
It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.
On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!
Jackson
waiting for your answer on my suggestion let me write some info on these 4 sites.
hotside (www.hotside.com.br)
is the most complete of the escort portals because it has a sections for different categories of free lancers, it also has links for various agencies and it also has some massage places and it also has a very good forum.
staying on the subject of hotside, the agency www.prazertotal.com has not been mentioned a lot on this forum and is very good and has a good rep for waht u see is what u get.
escortgirl (www.escortgirl.com.br)
not as complete as hotside but very good (free lancers and links to a couple of agencies)
destack (www.destack.com.br)
very good site it is divided in 4 sections:
agencia de modelos = escort agencies (they only have one)
massagem = a list of massage parlors generally located in the centro area.
modelos = free lancers (sofia pinheiro the mulata with a huge bunda is currently on this section under the name rayane, what an assssss!!!
terapeutas = some of these ads are hidden providers, they provide but because of their family or else they have their ads there so they can say they do professional massage
(i got two to recommend 1= www.destack.com.br/mariafernanda.htm,
2= www.destack.com.br/leonorabuenomassoterapeuta.htm).
both of these girls as u will be able to see in their links or if u meet them, heve huge asses and they know hot to perform.
amantesecia (www.amantesecia.com.br)
the same format as destack, they have a section of massagistas and a freelancer section divided in two (loiras e ruivas- morenas e mulatas)
that's all for now any questions pm or use the board.
El Austriaco
05-13-06, 19:27
A while back, I was following the discussion on this board on how to treat the girls with great interest. As a matter of fact, I was thinking about chiming in, but before I could do so, the discussion veered off in another direction, so I refrained. Seems we are back on the topic right now, and everyone appears to be in agreement on the benefits of pampering the girls. I am somewhat amused to see how downright “romantic” this issue is being addressed here, with talk about “care packages” and stuff, considering that, after all, we are talking about hardcore hookers here. So let me play the devil’s advocate here and say something that, IMHO, definitely needs to be said in this matter since it is equally important, if not more so:
Should you treat the girls with respect? Of course, just like you would treat any other human being. Should you treat them well? Definitely, as long as it helps you get the GFE, if you’re looking for that. If treating a girl well get’s you good service, does treating a girl like royalty get you stellar service? No, it doesn’t. It gets you heachaches… and lots of it.
In other words: treat them well, yes. Just make sure you don’t treat them too well.
Let me make one thing very clear here. I see a big difference between a “girlfriend experience” and a “girlfriend” experience. For me, the first one means that during the time you pay a GDP, she treats you (i.e. pretends to act) like an actual GF (e.g. DFK, BBBJ, DATY, among other things that are normally not associated with professional girls in many places), but once time is up, she leaves (and leaves you alone). You will get a “girlfriend” experience, on the other hand, once you or the girl somewhat lose sight of the actual circumstances and somehow start believing that you are, indeed, GF and BF, and start acting like that. In that case, you are most likely in for a very troublesome spell, with different measures of jealousy, possessiveness, and mind games thrown in. To say nothing of vicious fights and other goodies.
As a monger looking for a GFE, IMHO, you would be well advised to not cross over into a “girlfriend” experience. Needless to say, the line between the two is precariously thin.
Monger 3 said.. you treat the girls nice, word spreads that you are “tão legal”. Maybe, maybe not. As Ibiza said, during the off-season, gringos are scarce. Treat a girl too well, and she will cling to you like poison ivy, desperately trying to hang on to her prized meal ticket. Forget about picking other chicks in Copacabana, just forget it. From the very first day, she will fight tooth and nails to stay with you. Every single time I’ve treated a Copacabana GDP really well, this has happened to me, not one single exception. Once she self-declares herself your GF, she will make sure that every other girl in Copacabana knows about it, and she will protect her status with all means at her disposal: lying, cajoling, threatening, fighting. And you might find yourself stuck with her... just like with a regular GF.
Monger 3 also said… the next thing you know, you are banging this girl, her friends, her sister, her cousins, her aunts, her mom, and her daughters if they are old enough. Possibly. Still, it would be insane to do so, because sooner or later, word will go around, and there will be a nasty fight for the meal ticket between two or more of them. Might be interesting to see, at first, until you realize that they are actually fighting for the right to kill you first. There are lots of risky activities you might wanna try in Brazil, but this is not one of them. This is suicidal.
Someone suggested, don't remember who… to get a true GFE, give her a BFE. Hm, I am not sure about that. For me, the reason I pay those girls is that I DON’T have to pretend to be their BF, let alone be a BF (just a nice, respectful monger that treats them right). Treat them with respect and dignity, fine, but this seems like crossing the line. If you´re going to Rio to find one girl and stay with her the whole time, great, but what if you wanna sample a variety of girls without attachments? Treat them too well, and you will have a big headache trying to get rid of them.
The recommendations about small gifts are all cute and dandy as long as and only as long as they get you what you want: a better performance from a GDP. The gifts that are being suggested are all cheap enough to be almost negligible in the overall scheme of things for us. To a GDP, however, they mean a lot, even if its only a few bucks. I’ve seen GDPS engage in fist-fights over one (!) Real in Meia Pataca, I am serious. So those gifts are perfectly suited to make her feel appreciated.
Just be careful that you don’t overdo it and accidentally send the wrong message.
As soon as any of these girls gets to clingy to you and starts hinting that she is anything, anything more than just a GDP providing a GFE, get rid of her. Don’t wait. If you do, things will only go downhill from there. I remember one girl I had only talked to for half an hour, who slapped another girl that just had looked at me in a public restaurant, breaking a few chairs and tables in the process. Needless to say, a huge fight ensued involving the whole place. We both got kicked out of the joint and were told never to return. This was on the very first night I ever went out in Brazil. Just to give you an idea of how jealous and possessive and controlling they get... in a hurry.
I vaguely remember that when I first started reading ISG, back in the 90s, I read something in the archives that has always stuck in my mind. Someone said something like “Every time I fall in love in Rio de Janeiro, I open my wallet and take out this note that I have written to myself. It reads “She is a Copacabana hooker”. I read it over and over again.” This is pure genius, plain and simple. I think everyone should carry a note like that… especially mongers that walk that dangerously fine line of the GFE.
My point is: there is no reason to treat a GDP with anything less than respect. After all, she is a woman, too, who likes to be treated well, like any woman. There are certainly mongers that are disrespectful and outright gross in their treatment of GDPs, and I got a big problem with that. Treat them reasonably well, and you will be rewarded. But I also got a problem with treating them too well, because treating them excessively well also carries risks, just like treating them poorly. By being too nice, you might just end up causing yourself a lot of grief.
Of course, the crux of the matter is to determine exactly where the difference between “reasonably well” and “too well” lies for you or for them. I guess you will find out… sooner or later.
In other words: treat them like a GDP that is acting like your girlfriend for a while. You start treating them like your GF, they will start treating you like her BF. With everything that that entails.
EA
El Austriaco
05-13-06, 19:30
I Don't Know If This Is The Right Place To Make This Suggestion But I Think That The Brazil Forum Should Have A List Topic Of Every City Like The Ones In The Colombia And Venezuela Forum.
In This List We Would Write Down All The Mongering Information That U Will Need In Every City.
What Do U Fellow Mongers Think About That?
Considering the time and effort Bubba Boy has put in compiling the Bubba Guide, I don't think we need that. We got something better and more comprehensive already. Check it out!
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2191
EA
I Don't Know If This Is The Right Place To Make This Suggestion But I Think That The Brazil Forum Should Have A List Topic Of Every City Like The Ones In The Colombia And Venezuela Forum.
That would mean a lot of threads. 27 states and several big cities in every state. I guess that's why we have the thread "Other Areas". Also, unfortunately, it seems like our fellow mongers main interests are Rio and Sao Paulo.
I asked one girl from Help recently what was the thing that her clients can do to evoke a GFE and she told me to be carinhosa – affectionate.
Other girls from Help that week loved when I told them they were my beeech and my pooota, it seemed to drive them crazy, every time I said it when we were in motion they screamed Sou – I am, I am your pooota.
One very sweet young lady I met in Help while we were in my apartment breaking the ice, I asked her if she was my pooota, very seriously and deliberate said to me please, that word is a little strong, how about namorada – girlfriend for the night.
When I arrive in Rio I always stop in the duty free, they love Franjelico Italian Liquor and some like champagne, one went crazy for black label and red bull.
The gift table always has their Reais waiting when I am finished.
" pooota", that word is a little strong
I found that out the hard way, middle of the dance floor in Help. Ended up wearing a red bull and whiskey...........
Spoke to the agencies at 19:00 requested she send mel and duda.. they arrived on time but what a disappointment. they look nothing like pictures which were touched up with photoshop. i spoke to agenciy and agreed on $50 us dollars for 1 hour and taxi, after session was done 35 minutes later she writes me a bill for 180 us dollars for both which is 80 dollars more then agreed on. she wrote down that anal was extra(doda didnt even take it half way) and cab was extra when all that was supposed to be included as far as agenciy said. ended up arguing with them and calling security, when all was said and done security ended paying them all the money so the guy at the front desk which was looking out for us would not get fired. i felt really paid so i went down stairs and hooked him up with $100.00 dollars. make a long story short stay away from at least these two girls and also verify everything agency tells you when girls arrive.
I
One very sweet young lady I met in Help while we were in my apartment breaking the ice, I asked her if she was my pooota, very seriously and deliberate said to me please, that word is a little strong, how about namorada – girlfriend for the night.
One very sweet young lady I met in Help while we were in my apartment breaking the ice, I asked her if she was my pooota, very seriously and deliberate said to me please, that word is a little strong, how about namorada – girlfriend for the night.
Guys,
Read El Austriaco's report #1049. Read it, memorize it, live it !!! He is dead on target. The difference between GFE and GF in Rio is HUGE. If a GDP declares you "boyfriend"...RUN, and run fast. Otherwise she will alert the GDP Network and your every move will be recorded and reported. She will know about every garota you looked at, spoke to, and banged. You do not need that kind of headache, trust me, I know.
I now have a note in my wallet.
RxHammer
PS treat them good (not too good) and then pay them to LEAVE.....
The Watcher
05-14-06, 03:26
A while back, I was following the discussion on this board on how to treat the girls with great interest. As a matter of fact, I was thinking about chiming in, but before I could do so, the discussion veered off in another direction, so I refrained. Seems we are back on the topic right now, and everyone appears to be in agreement on the benefits of pampering the girls. I am somewhat amused to see how downright “romantic” this issue is being addressed here, with talk about “care packages” and stuff, considering that, after all, we are talking about hardcore hookers here. So let me play the devil’s advocate here and say something that, IMHO, definitely needs to be said in this matter since it is equally important, if not more so:
Should you treat the girls with respect? Of course, just like you would treat any other human being. Should you treat them well? Definitely, as long as it helps you get the GFE, if you’re looking for that. If treating a girl well get’s you good service, does treating a girl like royalty get you stellar service? No, it doesn’t. It gets you heachaches… and lots of it.
In other words: treat them well, yes. Just make sure you don’t treat them too well.
Let me make one thing very clear here. I see a big difference between a “girlfriend experience” and a “girlfriend” experience. For me, the first one means that during the time you pay a GDP, she treats you (i.e. pretends to act) like an actual GF (e.g. DFK, BBBJ, DATY, among other things that are normally not associated with professional girls in many places), but once time is up, she leaves (and leaves you alone). You will get a “girlfriend” experience, on the other hand, once you or the girl somewhat lose sight of the actual circumstances and somehow start believing that you are, indeed, GF and BF, and start acting like that. In that case, you are most likely in for a very troublesome spell, with different measures of jealousy, possessiveness, and mind games thrown in. To say nothing of vicious fights and other goodies.
As a monger looking for a GFE, IMHO, you would be well advised to not cross over into a “girlfriend” experience. Needless to say, the line between the two is precariously thin.
Monger 3 said.. you treat the girls nice, word spreads that you are “tão legal”. Maybe, maybe not. As Ibiza said, during the off-season, gringos are scarce. Treat a girl too well, and she will cling to you like poison ivy, desperately trying to hang on to her prized meal ticket. Forget about picking other chicks in Copacabana, just forget it. From the very first day, she will fight tooth and nails to stay with you. Every single time I’ve treated a Copacabana GDP really well, this has happened to me, not one single exception. Once she self-declares herself your GF, she will make sure that every other girl in Copacabana knows about it, and she will protect her status with all means at her disposal: lying, cajoling, threatening, fighting. And you might find yourself stuck with her... just like with a regular GF.
Monger 3 also said… the next thing you know, you are banging this girl, her friends, her sister, her cousins, her aunts, her mom, and her daughters if they are old enough. Possibly. Still, it would be insane to do so, because sooner or later, word will go around, and there will be a nasty fight for the meal ticket between two or more of them. Might be interesting to see, at first, until you realize that they are actually fighting for the right to kill you first. There are lots of risky activities you might wanna try in Brazil, but this is not one of them. This is suicidal.
Someone suggested, don't remember who… to get a true GFE, give her a BFE. Hm, I am not sure about that. For me, the reason I pay those girls is that I DON’T have to pretend to be their BF, let alone be a BF (just a nice, respectful monger that treats them right). Treat them with respect and dignity, fine, but this seems like crossing the line. If you´re going to Rio to find one girl and stay with her the whole time, great, but what if you wanna sample a variety of girls without attachments? Treat them too well, and you will have a big headache trying to get rid of them.
The recommendations about small gifts are all cute and dandy as long as and only as long as they get you what you want: a better performance from a GDP. The gifts that are being suggested are all cheap enough to be almost negligible in the overall scheme of things for us. To a GDP, however, they mean a lot, even if its only a few bucks. I’ve seen GDPS engage in fist-fights over one (!) Real in Meia Pataca, I am serious. So those gifts are perfectly suited to make her feel appreciated.
Just be careful that you don’t overdo it and accidentally send the wrong message.
As soon as any of these girls gets to clingy to you and starts hinting that she is anything, anything more than just a GDP providing a GFE, get rid of her. Don’t wait. If you do, things will only go downhill from there. I remember one girl I had only talked to for half an hour, who slapped another girl that just had looked at me in a public restaurant, breaking a few chairs and tables in the process. Needless to say, a huge fight ensued involving the whole place. We both got kicked out of the joint and were told never to return. This was on the very first night I ever went out in Brazil. Just to give you an idea of how jealous and possessive and controlling they get... in a hurry.
I vaguely remember that when I first started reading ISG, back in the 90s, I read something in the archives that has always stuck in my mind. Someone said something like “Every time I fall in love in Rio de Janeiro, I open my wallet and take out this note that I have written to myself. It reads “She is a Copacabana hooker”. I read it over and over again.” This is pure genius, plain and simple. I think everyone should carry a note like that… especially mongers that walk that dangerously fine line of the GFE.
My point is: there is no reason to treat a GDP with anything less than respect. After all, she is a woman, too, who likes to be treated well, like any woman. There are certainly mongers that are disrespectful and outright gross in their treatment of GDPs, and I got a big problem with that. Treat them reasonably well, and you will be rewarded. But I also got a problem with treating them too well, because treating them excessively well also carries risks, just like treating them poorly. By being too nice, you might just end up causing your self a lot of grief.
Of course, the crux of the matter is to determine exactly where the difference between “reasonably well” and “too well” lies for you or for them. I guess you will find out… sooner or later.
In other words: treat them like a GDP that is acting like your girlfriend for a while. You start treating them like your GF, they will start treating you like your BF. With everything that that entails.
EA
I agree 100% - this should be mandatory reading for newbies (and oldies too)!
An excellent point by Exec.T "Be nice, be a boyfriend, but never and I mean never, pay up front."
If you pay upfront, the service will be so horrible, maybe that is punishment enough? Don't be foolish, and be disciplined. If a garota demands $ upfront, show her the door. I was at fault one time for not doing this, cause I was thinking with the wrong head. I will always regret it. Lesson learned.
EA, being that I enjoy the company of a lady friend for a couple of days at a time if the chemistry is right, I usually get to a point where I am standing right on that very line.
I have learned to be proactive in dealing with this issue. I think its a matter of timing, and choosing the right moment to deal with it, before its too late, and the snowball effect takes place. For example, when the garota is on the cell chatting will another garota and saying half jokingly(but also a bit serious), how she thinks I am her new boyfriend. As soon as she hangs up, I bring that topic up immediately. Let the chips fall where they may.
Whether she is acting or genuinely interested to be seriously involved, I make it clear that I am not her boyfriend. I think many guys attempt to do this, but they wait to long into the whole thing to deal with it, and then as EA stated, its too late, all hell breaks loose. Newbies or oldies, please learn from experienced mongers such as EA and others that contribute to this board.
Have fun, stay safe, and don't fall in love! :)
A very good post by EA on the difference between "GFE" and "GF" E. I've certainly seen several gringos being hounded by Copa (and in some case terma) GDPs who were acting out the latter. If you ever find yourself in that situation and cannot break free, just make certain you are not in Brasil on June 11 (Namorado Day) or you will experience an explosion about your inadequacies that comes right out of a novela (don't ask me how I know).
I would add one qualifier, which EA had in his note but some readers may have overlooked: EA spoke specifically of Copacabana GDPs. The Copa environment is not typical of Brasilian pay for play, because the customer base is both transient and heavily foreigners (ie, rich and easily parted from their money). My experiences in Rio outside Copa, and in other cities (from Salvador to Foz Iguazu), is that GDP behaviors are more conditioned by their Brasilian customer base, which is not (usually) going to have any patience with the "GF" E approach. Specifically, picking a territorial fight with another GDP, turning over tables, and other expressions of bad manners will get any GDP that serves the mid market to upscale market quickly blackballed, as the foristas (mongers) talk among themselves just as the GDPs do. My observation has been that the efforts of the GDPs to build repeat business outside Copa are similar to any small businesswoman: lots of personal attention, pleasant conversation and flirting, willingness to talk/email between sessions, but no stepping over the line into girlfriend (vs GFE) territory. Now having said that, I also know of a number of these GDPs who have married former clients, so clearly there is some namorada effect that occasionally comes into play.
Personally, I prefer to treat everyone well until they conclusively demonstrate they don't deserve it, and see no reason to take a different approach with GDPs. They work hard in a competitive service industry, and the successful ones deserve respect for earning their success.
Appleone
Thanks guys,
I sincerely appreciate the information. I went in 2003 with a group of fourteen for Carnival. Got lucky with five girls in six nights. I was fortunate to be with the crew because they knew the ropes and I just tagged along until I got a little comfort zone. This will be a new challenge because there are only four of us going. We are there for two weeks. I really have been researching and am plenty excited. I have my copy of the rules. Thanks again. I will provide progress reports.
El Austriaco,
You speak the truth. And in a damn elegant way!
I'll be putting that note in my wallet.
make a long story short stay away from at least these two girls and also verify everything agency tells you when girls arrive.
I recently woke up in Rio one morning at 9 AM with the 100 mg of V I took the night before still working its magic, I called riofantasy.com to get someone over to my apt and help me get rid of this thing.
I asked for Luana Becker, the reason was because I knew her friend from months ago and she told me if I ever get a chance to try her out that she is absolutely stunning,
The woman on the phone asks me if I am a regular client of Luana, well I immediately recognize that as a trick question, I ask why? she says because Luana says that she has a regular client on that street, its a trick question because they want to see if they can pull a bait and switch on you, if you know the real Luanna for sure then they can't send the fake one. But I respond no because I never really met her before.
There is a knock on the door, I open it, there is a petite little blond there similar to the pictures but obviously not the same, I ask her are you Luanna? She says of course, I proceed to ask her a series of questions that only luanna would know she fails every one of them, I call the agency and tell the woman this is not the real Luanna, this woman on the phone is now yelling and screaming at me 10 in the morning and she hangs up. The escort's phone now rings they speak a while then she hangs up.
Now I have every right in the world to tell this fake Luanna to leave but now she is talking to me and now she is crying, so Im telling her to calm down, I offer her a drink, she wasn't that bad as a matter of fact she was pretty nice. She wouldn't stop talking about it and crying so I told her lets talk about something else and lets get started.
Turns out after all this Portuguese, she speaks perfect English, went to high school in America and is currently a Med student, ended up a great session with her and she told me nice stories about her and couples that she does husband and wife seems to be her speciality.
All these Escort agencies pull this bait and switch or false picture stuff but I guess we either live with it or go somewhere else.
I agree 100% - this should be mandatory reading for newbies (and oldies too)!
@The Watcher, and others, too
I agree with you; EA gives excellent advice in this report:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=463740&postcount=1050
But ... please refrain from quoting entire reports in your post, and then just saying "yes, me too". If you really want to promote a good post, then just post it under the "Reports of Distinction" thread. (which I have done for this one, by the way).
Also, sometimes you may want to respond directly to a point made in a post. In this case it is still not necessary to quote the entire post. You can cut out all of the stuff that is not directly needed from inside the QUOTE= and /QUOTE tags.
thanks
euro
Tiradentes
05-14-06, 17:47
Fellows;
I was wondering if any of you has some info to share about swing clubs in Rio, such as:
Name of place
How it functions
Contact info with GDP that will escort your there
Etc..
I've been to swing clubs in both Sao Paulo and Belo Horizonte, and it was a blast.So i am sure Rio must have it own share.
Thanks
2a2 in Copacabana and Mistura Certa: Rua 20 de abril, nº13 in Centro. Par ou Impar in Botafogo
i've been only to 2a2, on some nights, single men are allowed in. it's a small club with cramp accomodations. they have a website: www.2a2.com.br, which is not working as i type this. i'll try and get the address for you later.
find a GDP that you like and see if she's game to going to a swing club. if she's into the scene, she may turn you on to some other clubs, as i've heard here are other swing clubs in Barra, Recreio and elsewhere.
Mistura Certa website: www.misturacerta.com.br/
they have theme nights: BDSM, Fetish and swing. also check the websites and the links:
www.fetixe-rio.com.br (i think its associated with Mistura)
http://www.swing.com.br/
http://www.swingprive.com/
The Watcher
05-14-06, 20:17
please refrain from quoting entire reports in your post, and then just saying "yes, me too". If you really want to promote a good post, then just post it under the "Reports of Distinction" thread. (which I have done for this one, by the way).
I agree with you with respect to ordinary circumstances. I, however, felt that this report SHOULD be read so I intentionally included the entire report because I thought more people would read the report here than go to another thread under "Reports of Distinction".
Upon further review, I think I should trust my fellow mongers more. I will therefore adopt your advice in the future.
Just got off the phone with a long time Help girl. She's one of the R$350-450 holdouts in Help who won't leave the place for less. She says she will not work there anymore because every night there are 300 girls and only 100 guys and all the girls are leaving with men for R$150-R$200. Not worth the entrance fee for her anymore. She has not exited with a guy since April 29th. Been there every night since. She does not like Barbarella. So she is headed for Barcelona with her friend. I chuckled when she said the men just do not want to pay anymore. Maybe this forum is having an affect on the prices men are willing to pay. They are just saying no to expensive pussy. Her comments made me think of the girl standing in the corner at a dance with no date and no prospects. How sad. She just needs to come in line with market forces, I guess. The Real is too strong.
Truant
El Austriaco
05-14-06, 21:38
2A2 is on Rua Figueiredo Magalhães, right next to the Copa d'Or Hospital, between an apartment building and a Paixão do Pão bakery, in the Bairro Peixoto area of Copacabana.
Here is what I got off their website:
Boate 2A2
Rua Figueiredo Magalhães, 885/F
Copacabana - Rio de Janeiro
Wednesday and Thursdays starting at 10:00 PM.
Fridays and Saturdays starting at 10:30 PM
Tel: (21) 2235-4821/9948-6284
(Phone calls after 08:30 PM only)
It's on the block between Rua Tenente Marones de Gusmão and Rua Maestro Francisco Braga. Check out the website to see their logo: the same sign is out in front.
If a cabbie has trouble finding it, just tell him to drop you off at the emergency room entrance of the Copa d'Or and walk up the street in the direction of the Botafogo tunnel. I have included a GIF map.
Entrance: R$ 60.00 for couples on Wed/Thu ($50.00 prior to 11:00 PM), R$ 75.00 on Fri/Sat (R$ 60.00 prior to 11:00 PM).
Thursday is the ONLY night they allow singles. Entrace for female singles R$ 40.00 (unlimited access), for male singles R$ 180.00 (limited access, reservations required at 21 2235-4821 Wednesdays/Thursdays with the manager).
http://www.2a2.com.br seems to work for me, but only in Portuguese, not in English. You need to register to have access to some content. Once you do, there are photos of the place as well as of some of the couples.
Never went in, though, so can't provide more details.
EA
El Austriaco
05-14-06, 23:11
If you ever find yourself in that situation and cannot break free, just make certain you are not in Brasil on June 11 (Namorado Day) or you will experience an explosion about your inadequacies that comes right out of a novela (don't ask me how I know).
Sometimes, I am inclined to believe that most of the novelas and telenovelas were written by current or ex-GDPs... I simply don't know anyone who knows drama as much as they do. To those of you that have spent extensive time with Copa GDPs, have you ever noticed that they have one thing in common? That they just LOVE to watch telenovelas, with all their weird dramas and twists, as well as cartoons? Step into "GF" territory, and that's what you can expect: a starring role as the villain in a non-stop, all-out Brazilian soap opera, peppered with violence and abuse like in a Tom and Jerry cartoon. Don't ask me how I know, either :)
I would add one qualifier, which EA had in his note but some readers may have overlooked: EA spoke specifically of Copacabana GDPs. The Copa environment is not typical of Brasilian pay for play, because the customer base is both transient and heavily foreigners (ie, rich and easily parted from their money). My experiences in Rio outside Copa, and in other cities (from Salvador to Foz Iguazu), is that GDP behaviors are more conditioned by their Brasilian customer base, which is not (usually) going to have any patience with the "GF" E approach.
Fully agree with that, Appleone, and yes, just to confirm, I was specifically talking about Copacabana GDPs as being the most notorious brand of Brazilian hookers preying on inexperienced tourists. My experience in other parts of Rio and Brazil (Salvador) matches yours. The fight I mentioned on my first night in Brazil, however, actually occurred in 2002 in Salvador da Bahia. I think the likelihood of a Brazilian GDP trying to push you into BF/GF situation depends more on how experienced they consider you in your dealings with GDPs and handling their little daily dramas. Which brings me to yet another recommendation: even if you don't speak any Portuguese, NEVER EVER tell them it's your first time in Brazil or in Copacabana. Tell them you've been there a hundred times, you just suck with foreign languages.
Personally, I prefer to treat everyone well until they conclusively demonstrate they don't deserve it, and see no reason to take a different approach with GDPs.
That's a very good policy that I also stick to when dealing with all types of people anywhere. Nobody has to earn my respect, it's theirs to lose it. Now my trust, that's another story.
Thanks for a great post, Appleone. And thanks for all the thumbs up, guys.
EA
Is HELP still open???
I was there 2 weeks ago and I asked management up front when they were closing they told me nunca - Never. But my friend in Rio today told me the rumor is that it is coming soon; we will see what is right, stand by.
Who knows when/if it will close for sure. However I have been in there a few times of late and they sure are not spending anything on the maintenance. As you walk in to Help now you can see the cigarette smoke pouring out the front door. They aircon is not working anymore inside, the smoke is so thick one can hardly breath. Maybe it is broken and they are not prepared to fix it, has been like this for the last 2 months.
In other words: treat them well, yes. Just make sure you don’t treat them too well.
Let me make one thing very clear here. I see a big difference between a “girlfriend experience” and a “girlfriend” experience. For me, the first one means that during the time you pay a GDP, she treats you (i.e. pretends to act) like an actual GF (e.g. DFK, BBBJ, DATY, among other things that are normally not associated with professional girls in many places), but once time is up, she leaves (and leaves you alone). You will get a “girlfriend” experience, on the other hand, once you or the girl somewhat lose sight of the actual circumstances and somehow start believing that you are, indeed, GF and BF, and start acting like that. In that case, you are most likely in for a very troublesome spell, with different measures of jealousy, possessiveness, and mind games thrown in. To say nothing of vicious fights and other goodies. ...
In this great post, Treating the Girls Just Right (and Not Too Well), (http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2192&page=2&pp=15) EA is talking about the Copa girls in Brazil and how they can make your life miserable when they decide they are your real girlfriend. EA mentioned that this GDP craziness was not typical of Brazil, but limited to Copa.
The GDP desire to move from GFE to possessive GF may be world wide, but is moderated in other locations by circumstances that limit the girl's power.
In St Maarten (http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1844), where I hobby, the client has all the power. The chica is far from home (Columbia or Dom Rep), the chica has to go home after 3 months work, the chica's ability to leave the club is limited, and the chica doesn't usually speak the local language (which is English). There are 7 legal brothels and the chica knows few people outside her club.
So she may throw a small fit of possessiveness in the club, but you always know it can only go so far. In the worst situation, eventually she will go back to Columbia!
-zing
(Cross-posted to St Maarten thread.)
Thanks fellows mongers keep the infromation flowing its always helps me. Just got back in from a week in Rio and had a great time. I went alone and had no problem finding like minded mongers to bond with. This time the airport was a breeze no photo or fingerprint. My guy was waiting with my name on a sign and off we went to my apt. The exchange rate was 2.05 to 1US at the airport skip it its' the lowest rate in town. I was met by Kenn who rented me the apt: great guy and great apt. First I took a shower and than a long nap.
Ok first night in Rio I went to Monte Carlo terma around 7pm. The crowd was ok about 40 to 50 girls and 25 to 30 guys. All the girls were at worst a 7 with many 9s and 10s in my book. Took a nice fake blone for a great hour ( bbbj, dfk, and cfs. Then I saw this stunnding moreno and made out with her for a half an hour and she came to my apt that night. My bill was about 100US (included 2 drinks) and MC gave me 2.15 to 1us the best rate in Rio. The moreno and I had a super hot time and she was off the next day so she stayed another day and night. I gave her 300real (that was about 140us) plus about 15us of food that we got from the store and she cooked.
Next I hit llumo terma and there was only 2 guys in there and about 35 girls. I had a couple of drinks and the free food not bad, but lay off the hot pepper heartburn city. Man this was heaven about 15 more girls came and only 2 more guys. Girls were offerring anal and pics just to get you in the room. I tease a bunch of them and grab a nice blond with a bubble butt. I am not an anal man but this butt just had to be hit. Total about 100us that included 2 drinks.
Than I hit help is was good I don't dance at least not on the floor, but I let the girls dance with me off the floor. I went there 3 nights and a took girls evey night all charge 150Real (about 70US) for the whole night until I had to just about kick them out the next day. The most a girl quoted me in Help was 300real and that was only 2. Most girls started at 200real and some 150real so very little baringing was needed.
Next 4x4 terma is was jam pack with girls and guys most guys were from brazil and the stage show was great. I had a ok hour with a nice moreno, but not great. They have the most girls and I should have waited a little longer b4 I went to the room. I didn't even do any foreplay for the place was to jam. Well she had an ass to die 4 but the sex was just ok. Total 170 real (85us) that included 2 sodas.
I felt like a cheap terma so I hit an apt on the main ave about 3pm 5 girls and me. No english, no music, no nice outfits and no full bar. Just beer and a small room. The two good thing were I took the only hot girl she was an 8 the other were 5 and 6s and you get you full hour. Total 100real (about 45US) that inculed 2 beers
last spot was VM. This was my 3rd time in Rio but my first at VM. A guy from LA and I from NY went together. Yes everything you have read is true. Its dirty and loud, but its the best side show in Rio. Where else can you see a cross eyed hooker, a 50 year old hooker, a 300 pound hooker and some gems. The price is set 25real that only like 12us for about 15 minutes. I took one for a bbbj and it was great.
Well buget yourself for the dollar is weak. Food is cheap unless you eat on the beach. The terma girls seem to be more willing to go to your apt for an over nighter if you don't like help. I didn't use any excorts or girls off the street but thier there. BTW all the girls gave me bbbj and I have no problem with the police but I did see them stop two american guys on the beach and ask them for thier pass port. I left for I didn't have mine don't know the out come. I never carry mine, but might start carring a copy.
Thats it be safe and have a great time in Rio. I will be back in August.
Good report Scotch, just one thing, I am sure most people knew what you meant but just for the record. Moreno = male, The female equivalent is "Morena". Just so you don't continue telling people you are taking home "boys" from Monte Carlo ;-) Great report though, good stuff.
Ok first night in Rio I went to Monte Carlo terma around 7pm.......My bill was about 100US (included 2 drinks) and MC gave me 2.15 to 1us the best rate in Rio.......
Next I hit llumo terma.... Total about 100us that included 2 drinks............
Than I hit help.... I went there 3 nights and a took girls evey night all charge 150Real (about 70US) for the whole night until I had to just about kick them out the next day.....
Prices in Termas are pretty much fixed. Unless you got 2.6 R per dollar, the prices you quoted are low. In, both Luomo and Monte Carlo, it will cost you minimum 250 R for a 40 min session. That does not include any drink. At Luomo, there is a minor discount in price for mulitple sessions. With few drinks, I paid around 300 R in both termas.
Pricewise, you did very well with the Morena, you took out from Monte Carlo.
Your HELP prices are again seems on the low side. I am sure you paid what you paid. Sure there are 150 R girls and I met some of them. But TLN with a decent GDP will generally cost 200 R or more at HELP. And that requires some knowledge in Portuguese. I knew some eye candies, who were still holding out for 300 R at 4 AM. Prices in HELP are not fixed and depends on your bargaining power. But expectations also should be realistic. If mongers are expecting that you can have a real hottie from HELP at 150 R for a TLN, I am afraid, you are setting yourself up for a major disappointment. I just visited in April, so prices I am quoting are all current.
Thanks for your report. You had a great time and that's the bottom line.
Bandy
El Austriaco
05-17-06, 00:03
But expectations also should be realistic. If mongers are expecting that you can have a real hottie from HELP at 150 R for a TLN, I am afraid, you are setting yourself up for a major disappointment. I just visited in April, so prices I am quoting are all current.
Bandy
Of course, what is a real hottie and what isn't is really in the eyes of the beholder. Your 9 might be the next guy's 6, or vice versa, Bandy.
I think there are two main types of mongers: those who go mainly for looks, and those who go mainly for a vibe with a girl. Personally, I am of the second kind, so within certain limits, looks are secondary for me as long as I connect with a girl. One of my best mongering buddies is exactly the opposite of me, and he's willing to pay a hefty premium for superb looks, just like a lot of other mongers. I am not. We are just different.
Needless to say, ideally, we all want the whole package: great looks, great performance, and a low price :).. and sometimes, we even get lucky. But generally, we have to set priorities... like elsewhere in life.
Personally, I see very little correlation between beauty (regardless of how you define it) and rates in Rio. I do see a major correlation, however, between high rates and hardcore GDPs, and somewhat less so between hardcore GDPs and lackluster performance.
EA
Just got off the phone with a long time Help girl. She's one of the R$350-450 holdouts in Help who won't leave the place for less. She says she will not work there anymore because every night there are 300 girls and only 100 guys and all the girls are leaving with men for R$150-R$200. Not worth the entrance fee for her anymore. She has not exited with a guy since April 29th. Been there every night since. She does not like Barbarella. So she is headed for Barcelona with her friend. I chuckled when she said the men just do not want to pay anymore. Maybe this forum is having an affect on the prices men are willing to pay. They are just saying no to expensive pussy. Her comments made me think of the girl standing in the corner at a dance with no date and no prospects. How sad. She just needs to come in line with market forces, I guess. The Real is too strong.
Truant
T,
Maybe it's also the exchange rate. If she's holding out for R300 or more that's $150+. After paying ~$700+ for air not even counting hotel & food, who in their right mind will pay R400 for a TLN with an average hooker? Oops, my bad, they exist and they abound in this forum.
"I think there are two main types of mongers: those who go mainly for looks, and those who go mainly for a vibe with a girl. Personally, I am of the second kind, so within certain limits, looks are secondary for me as long as I connect with a girl." By EA
I learned a while back, that the so called "10's", or Lookers", generally tend to be disappointments. I usually go with a 7 or 8 with a great attitude and great chemistry between us. When I achieve this scenario, I am one happy son of a gun. Besides, 7's and 8's in Rio are like 10's in most other places of the world.
Gentlemen, stay safe, have fun, and don't fall in love!
Thanks fellows mongers keep the infromation flowing its always helps me. Just got back in from a week in Rio and had a great time. I went alone and had no problem finding like minded mongers to bond with. This time the airport was a breeze no photo or fingerprint. My guy was waiting with my name on a sign and off we went to my apt. The exchange rate was 2.05 to 1US at the airport skip it its' the lowest rate in town. I was met by Kenn who rented me the apt: great guy and great apt. First I took a shower and than a long nap....Great report! I'm renting through Kenn next week.
-Helpmann :)
I know what you are saying Bandy and normally I would agree, however now I am thinking he really did pay R150-R200. I have never seen Rio so quiet as far as monger numbers. I have been in Help a couple of times this week and girls are really begging to be taking home for serious reductions in price. I have seen a few girls towards the end of the night coming up to guys and starting with R150, and these are decent girls, girls that generally do not need to resort to desperate measures. Its a buyers market.
i was in centro rio today to pick up a federal police id. i was a little lost , but basically knew i was not far from metro uraguania station. i stumbled across whiskeria aquarius, i stopped in real quick and on the wall was a sign .
15 min - r$20
20 min - r$30
30 min - r$50
3 girls working, one is really cute to my surprise. her name is giovanna, and she is very petite. i am always a little scared of these places, as the cabin normally sucks. this place has nice rooms, with clean sheets and a shower, a real terma. no entry fee, r$3.00 beer and r$1.5 per condom.
no entry fee, at least at 3:00pm.
i asked giovanna what she was doing working here? i mean i went for 20 min for r$30, as i was not sure what to expect. she told me she used to work at centarus and luomo. she said business was terrible at centarus, so she left. i would say she would be in the middle of the pack at centarus, but not bad looking at all. so she went from r$310 hr to r$30 / 20 min and said it paid better for her.
she told me at night there are 30 girls there. it was not a bad place, and i was really surprised.
ave atlantica and helpeeee. i think they are getting desperate. a few hold out, but as reported, times are tough, way to few people, and way to many girls. i had one ask for r$200 and agreed to drop to r$150 for 2 hours, and i passed as i thought she was overcharging. inside help is still hit and miss, but the odds are in your favor now.
i have never heard of $r100 tln, never.... $r150 maybe, if all teeth not accounted for, r$100, maybe.
i am in this area everyday and everynight for a long time, and there are very few tourists here at all. and the weather is cold, bring long sleeves or you will freeze your butt off at night.
most of the pros have left town for greener pastures. i see the hardcores and the ones that probably cannot leave, are still here, and there are many new faces from bahia. the bahia girls probably think the streets in rio are paved with gold.
i also noticed how fast attitudes can change, i met fabiana, very lovely looking, on her first day in rio. a week later, she was very hardcore and totally different. i lost interest in her after this change. she probably had not made any money, and with her ass, if she is not making money, none of them are.
it is interesting to see the difference from september, when i arrived.
ibz
Back in times low season was great, girls were cold and hungry. It meant that they took anything and quite a few were accepting bead and breakfast. Service was always good.
No need to pay during the low season.
when i arrived in rio this year, just after carnaval, the helpee girls attitudes sucked. they were walking around quoting r350-r400 and had a "take it or leave it" attitude. even my wingman, a hardened helpee vet was surprised at how bad the attitudes were. we chose to "leave it" most nights.
now is is completely different, at the end of the night the girls really are begging to be taken home and their opening quote is r150-r200, and these girls are the cute ones, the average ones do not get to hang around us long enough to get a quote out.
Full Throttle
05-17-06, 14:32
perhaps this belongs in a rio party thread, as the information contained herein may lack intrinsic value for many. oh, well.
woke around 12:30pm after a mostly sleepless night traveling. met a couple of colleagues downstairs for a beer or two prior to deciding where we should drink a couple of beers. actually, we had a couple of beers so that i explain to them my plans, and see how early they wanted to bail out.
while not classic players, the guys were great. “you scared?” one would ask rhetorically before each phase of the evening, then answer his own question, “i’m not scared…”
first stop, balcony bar. frightening little talent, but they made up for it with aggression and enthusiasm. the girls at 4pm were somewhat attractive and extremely dark – both in skin tone and sales method. mixed signals were received as one would alternate between blurting out how much she prefers anal sex because she can’t get pregnant (which would make her fat, she said), and how much she wanted to have my/our baby(ies) because she wanted a blond-haired, blue-eyed child. i hated to spoil the moment by explaining that her dark gene pool would overwhelm even michael jackson’s surgeons.
our excellent adventure continued down the beach, where we met several groups of non-working girls, who all seemed to like us a lot. a kioska or two later, and it was time to visit l’uomos. “you scared?...”
one of my buddies was. he left with r___ the adventure guy, who apparently hosts rock and mountain climbing trips worldwide. he was also a fuzzy-headed intellect holding 22 years worth of diplomas and degrees. funny how we all end up in the same place for the same reason.
anyway, 2 of us went in to l’uomos. refresher, 60r entrance, reduced to 50r if you eventually session, even lower if you go on a chemically-induced binge and have multiple sessions. the room plus girl costs an additional 200r (150r that must be paid in cash or equivalent short-term investments).
it was mother’s day, and l’uomos was the only game in town, apparently. unfortunately, there was good reason for other termas to be closed. for customers, there were the 2 of us, 3 other friends i’d arranged to meet, a prolific poster from another board and his doctor, who missed his mother so much that he put himself into a viagra-proof alcoholic state, and a couple of other stray mongers. there were about 12 girls.
while having supply and demand on your side is often good, it didn’t work so well on this night. the atmosphere was dull, and the girls seemed apathetic due to lack of business. also, my wingman let it slip that he wasn’t going to have a session, a position that may have been inaccurately ascribed to me, as well. what this meant was very little attention, and the settling in of the notion that i was just going to hang with friends myself and save the $$ for next week. unfortunately, this left more time for beers, which led to mistakes further down the line.
so, near closing, we headed out the door. the receptionists thought we were crazy. “five hours and no girls?” she asked. i told her there was no time to have a session and drink 10 beers. something had to give…
we walked to help with another fuzzy-headed intellect. this one was more the new england, snobbish variety. by the time we turned on to ave. atlantica, i was flagging down muggers to help extricate us. no luck.
as usual, i was underdressed for help. i’ve now been there 20 times, and i think i’ve been in once. i just refuse to wear long pants at the beach, i don’t want to go all the way back to the hotel just to change clothes, and carrying pants around all day seems a little silly, and would probably result in me losing my pants – literally.
so, we spent a couple of hours making friends. i bought pizzas and fries and carried them from table to table and from gdp to gdp. after all, it was mother’s day. after a couple of rounds, who showed up but the non-working girls from earlier in the day! they still liked us even though we were sitting in front of help at 1:30am. while i had every intention of going home alone to sleep off the day’s activities, i simply couldn’t resist taking this non-pro, especially since she agreed to 100r + 20r taxi.
bad vibes began to flow. i may not have been as charming after 15 beers as i was after 12, and i could sense tension. worse, she was a health nut, and didn’t drink or smoke. all i could think of is how appealing i must have been at that stage of the party. sure enough, in the room, it was one thing after another… “wash this, clean that, etc. etc.”
so, i woke wondering who this girl was in bed, sneezing, coughing and rolling around like a caged tiger, trying to remember how much i owed her, somewhat stressed that i was so sore down below that i thought perhaps i had worked during carnivale, and figuring the odds on all of my belongings being intact.
luckily, it came to me that i had opened the safe, and found everything as i had hoped. next, the picture of the girl slowly revealed itself in my brain. sneaking peaks revealed that she was not particularly pretty, but she did have a beautiful body. that reminded me of the healthy thing, which left me a tad guilty, but what about that pain? jeez, it really hurts! could she be carrying around the fastest-working bugs in brazil?
no, then i remembered. among her battery of questions came the biggie: “do you have a condom?” i didn’t, the front desk did, but i just wanted a famously-sloppy brazilian bbbj. well, it seems that in her world, a bj means hj. in my world of beers, little food and no sleep, a hj means mh (mucha horas). i just hope her wrist is as sore as i was, although it usually hurts a lot worse receiving an indian burn than giving one.
so, my healthnut, non-pro hooker who whose cold was worsening before my very eyes finally woke. no hj/bj, just a shower. in protest, i paid her the $100r, then shared a taxi with her to copa. then, out of guilt, and the fact that she gave me a hj (just what i needed) while driving from leblon, i gave her the other 20r. she seemed happy enough.
so, i randomly chose a street and ended up in that peep-show joint. it’s been reviewed here some, but suffice to say that it is a rather dismal place. they have video booths that cost 1r per 3 minutes. of the 32 channels, 4 are dedicated to peta-- 3 on professional dog care and 1 celebrating the majesty of all things equestrian. another 4-6 were gay or for transvestite enthusiasts, and the remainder rather obscure straight flicks with an emphasis on anal, “not that there’s anything wrong with that.” next option was private booths viewing a group stage. i get the sense that this venue is used to lure you to the private show/private booth alternative, which costs 5r for 2 minutes, or the discounted price of 50r for 20 minutes. only 3 unattractive girls were working and paying downtown terma rates to whack my friction-burned member off seemed to be a poor use of funds and an unnecessary abuse of what little epidermis remained.
enough fun until next sunday…
That was a cool post. I feel alittle cheated that Hunter S Thompson left us so early, if he discovered Rio and chose to write a gonzo book about it, it would have to be a all time best seller. Well amongst the devaites on this board anyway. Great post FT.
Tricktracy
05-17-06, 21:15
when i arrived in rio this year, just after carnaval, the helpee girls attitudes sucked. they were walking around quoting r350-r400 and had a "take it or leave it" attitude. even my wingman, a hardened helpee vet was surprised at how bad the attitudes were. we chose to "leave it" most nights.
now is is completely different, at the end of the night the girls really are begging to be taken home and their opening quote is r150-r200, and these girls are the cute ones, the average ones do not get to hang around us long enough to get a quote out.impressive, very impressive your report bubba boy. i'll will be in rio next month and can't wait to sample those ladies from help. i perfer the internet and escort girls, but i try out the help jusst once.
It is on Rua Arce, very near MV 30, I think the number is 65 Arce, and I saw three other clubs in the area, all just walk in places, there are a bunch in the area. This place is across Presidente Get. Vargis ave , when coming from 4x4, it isn't exactly in the same area as 4x4, you need to cross the main Road, Pres GV . Maybe 5-10 min walk, if you do not get twisted around, which is easy to do if you are walking.
You will find it, if your dedicated...
I would go during the day, unless
1. You speak portuguese
2. You know this area, not good at night.
Federal Police ID - You need one of these if you stay here more than 6 months, this what I was told, not verified, and it is a huge pain in the ass to get one. Lots of paperwork, many forms, many fees and it takes forever. I started the process in October, and I just received my Official Card, with photo and fingerprint on it. They said 90 days, and If I waited for more than 6 months to pick up I would have to start over, well in 6 months it was not ready to pick up, but is was there after 6 months, but it is only valid through September , then I have to get a new one, possibly with all the red tape again. Brasil... It took about 5 hours to get the paperwork and photos they needed the first time.
IBZ
Member #1461
05-18-06, 01:43
Where in RJ can I get a full body massage with the woman's tongue including anal tongue, and what is the name for this sort of activity in Portugues ? (so I'll know what to ask for when talking to the girl)
2A2 is on Rua Figueiredo Magalhães, right next to the Copa d'Or Hospital, between an apartment building and a Paixão do Pão bakery, in the Bairro Peixoto area of Copacabana... Entrance: R$ 60.00 for couples on Wed/Thu ($50.00 prior to 11:00 PM), R$ 75.00 on Fri/Sat (R$ 60.00 prior to 11:00 PM).Does anyone know how they define "couples" at 2a2? Would a tourist and a GDP be considered a couple or do they define couple as man and wife?
Thanks,
Helpmann :)
Does anyone know how they define "couples" at 2a2? Would a tourist and a GDP be considered a couple or do they define couple as man and wife?
I've never been to these types of places, but I can't imagine that they require that you are married to the woman you are bringing with you. I mean how would they even verify that? What would they do, ask to see your wedding photos or something, or a marriage license?
Just bring something with a vagina and you should be good to go.
i've been there. a couple is a man and womanl, married or not is irrelevant. as you walk in you'll recieve a slip of paper to keep tabs of your drinks, which you'll pay on the way out. (Like most clubs in Rio.) if needed, the Hostess will give you a tour of the facilities. again it's not that big of a place. the bar area is tiny, compared to most clubs. it reminded me of a bar in someones home here in the US.
the night my GF and i went, they had male and female strippers. it was crowded. after the strippers got done, just about everyone went to the second floor. it was very difficult moving in the narrow dimly lit hallway. the rooms were occupied and closed, there was some action going on in the general orgy room, (mostly limited to a guy getting a BJ.) the real action was in the closed rooms, you could hear them. i got the impression they knew each other and had done this together before.
the make-up of the crowd was mostly middle aged brasilians, with all the imperfections, just like here in the states. i was approached and fondled by a mature brasiliera. the GF got hit upon by a older brasilian. no couples approached us.
i've been to the swing clubs in SP, where the participants were younger and the action more open. you may be disappointed by the action in 2a2. but understand, i only went once.
Was just checking out Yahoo finance and saw that the dollar was up to 2.21 reals today. In the last 2 days its been up .13. Maybe our crappy dollar is starting to make a little comeback. Sure would like to see 2.50 again.
California Guy
05-18-06, 08:56
Was just checking out Yahoo finance and saw that the dollar was up to 2.21 reals today. In the last 2 days its been up .13. Maybe our crappy dollar is starting to make a little comeback. Sure would like to see 2.50 again.
Lancer,
Hey I had been looking at this too. My thoughts were maybe this had something to do with the violence as well, anyone else think the same?
Lancer,
Hey I had been looking at this too. My thoughts were maybe this had something to do with the violence as well, anyone else think the same?They installed a new Minister of Finance, Mantega, in March. Compared to his predecessor, Palocci, Mantega wasn't seen as much of an inflation hawk. Maybe Mantega said something recently that the markets didn't want to hear or perhaps this is just going back to last week when Evo Morales, the Ecuadorian president, announced the nationalization of the Ecuador's natural gas operations, which would most likely lead to higher natural gas prices for Brazilian consumers.
-Helpmann :)
i've been there. a couple is a man and womanl, married or not is irrelevant. as you walk in you'll recieve a slip of paper to keep tabs of your drinks, which you'll pay on the way out. (Like most clubs in Rio.) if needed, the Hostess will give you a tour of the facilities. again it's not that big of a place. the bar area is tiny, compared to most clubs. it reminded me of a bar in someones home here in the US....Thanks for your help Chingon. I plan to check out the club later this month!
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Helpmann :)
Lancer,
Hey I had been looking at this too. My thoughts were maybe this had something to do with the violence as well, anyone else think the same?
I don’t think it has anything to do with violence: over the last few days there have been some adjustments of the USD versus a number of emerging markets’ currencies (including the BRL) and as a result the USD is now stronger against them.
These adjustments haven’t been caused by country-specific issues, but rather by a global review of the risks associated with that particular type of currencies.
Several reasons are being given by currency traders for the current weakness in the Real, none related to the violence in Sao Paulo.
Topping the list is the continuing increases in US interest rates, which currency traders (and me) expect the Federal Reserve to continue despite Wall Street hopes to the contrary. Supporting the view that the Federal Reserve is the driver is the partial recovery in the value of the Real vs the dollar today, when weak US economic news encouraged people to think the Fed may stop raising interest rates.
Second, Merrill Lynch issued a very bearish report on the Real a week or so ago, saying it may drop to 2.40 to the dollar by the end of June. Most currency traders don't care what investment banks say, but some do.
Third, as already pointed out, having Evo Morales stab Lula in the back cost Brasil more than just the couple billion USD in Brasilian investments Evo is stealing - it will also mean higher gas prices for Brasil as they head into the winter, which puts Brasil on the wrong side of the commodities price boom for a change. Plus there have been declines in prices of two of Brasil's five largest commodity exports (soybeans and coffee), and a lower than expected increase in the price of iron ore exports. So Brasil's export surplus has declined by about 15% in the last month.
This decline of the Real vs the dollar is occurring at the same time the dollar is declining against other major international currencies (euro, yen, pound), so anyone from Europe or Japan is really seeing an improvement.
By the way, the Merrill Lynch report also forecast declines in the value of the Columbian and Mexican pesos.
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