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Lorenzo
06-29-06, 02:26
[QUOTE=Gianni Versace]a good cheap 4 or 5 star hotel/QUOTE]

I think this might be considered an oxymoron.

Yariv
06-29-06, 03:12
Quote USA today:

"With the Brazilian real rising about 20% vs. the U.S. dollar over the past year (ie 2005-2006), Brazilian cities Sao Paolo and Rio de Janeiro surged to No. 34 and No. 40 from No. 119 and No. 124, respectively. "

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-26-expensive-cities_x.htm?csp=34

If this trend persists, in one year from now, most of us won't be able to travel to Rio anymore. What a shame!

(Damn you Lula, i hope you lose the election)Hmmm. Who should we blame, Lula or the great George W Bush.

Java Man
06-29-06, 06:11
Returned from Rio yesterday. :(

Help is still open and according to a maitre d' at Terraca Atlantica, will be open for another 10yrs. (sounds like a lease agreement to me.) Too much money is being made there for them to close he said.

BTW Help's exchange rate was R2. 20 to the USD.

Not too many mongers and tourist in Copa. More garotas in Help than mongers: maybe a 3-4 to 1 ratio. The dance floor was practically empty. I did not see too many familiar faces either. There were a handful of 8+. Manoel e Joaquim and Barril 1800, two restaurants on Av Atlantica were closed. The remaining restaurants had few customers.

Apparently tourism has gone to Germany for the World Cup.

During the Brazilian games, Av Atlantica, and Av. N. S. Copa were deserted. It was like a ghost town. Only a handful of business on Av N. S. Copa were opened.

BTW, good place to watch the World Cup games is the Office Restaurant located behind Help on are Domingos Ferreira. Lot of TV's and GDP's. :) Get there at least 30min before game time as it fills up quickly.

Also congrats to the mongers who knocked up 2 GDP's. They both looked like they were ready to deliver at any moment. One is a well know GDP, (but I don't know her name) looked like she had triplets in that swollen belly! I think I have a pic of her & will look for it. And yes they were still working it. : eek:

Yep, it's gotten more expensive. For example: Metered taxi starts at R4. 30 now. Then the cabbie will pull out his rate card upon arrival at your destination. I also spent more $$ on meals and drinks this trip.

With Varig ready to fold at any minute, expect more crowded US flights. My red-eye flight to the US, was full of Brazilian kids going to Disney in Orlando. The lil rat be-stards were loud the entire flight. : mad: I hope they had a miserable first day.

And on a sad note: A Korean tourist staying at Le Meridian went into the water off Leme Beach. Supposedely he had just arrived in Rio. The undertow sucked him in, he didn't make it out. His body had not been recovered prior to my departure.

Wanderer1000
06-30-06, 16:13
Chingon-

Just a word on that Korean guy drowning. I heard about it last week when an American guy was talking on the phone here at the internet place. At the beginning of the week, I was wading into the water, and a guy with a red shirt (their lifeguards) came up and told me not to go out beyond my waist. He was walking along the beach telling everyone the same thing. Since this past week was chilly, windy and the waves were brutal, I didn´t see anyone in the water but surfers.

I think it´s a good reminder to respect the ocean in Rio. There have been many times where I have gotten out of the water because the backwater was very strong, and I was getting tired. No reason to tempt fate here.

Brugal8
06-30-06, 17:35
Good news for all my fellow mongers.

Termas bononia has reopened under a new name and with new management.

For additinal info check the website is: www.phoenixclub.com.br

Hope I helped

Rio Bob
06-30-06, 17:42
Hey All

Im going to Rio and am looking to book a a good cheap 4 or 5 star hotel maybe 3 star hotel in a great location. Can anyone please offer any suggestions. Also the hotel must be girl friendly. Thanks in advance.

GV

Well, the fact that your question hasn't been answered yet just shows how what your asking for today doesn't really exist anymore. But I would say take a look at the Luxor Regente hotel, I used to stay there, its nice and it was user friendly. They also have other hotels in Rio under the name Luxor. The Marriott is user friendly but not cheap. I used to stay at the Debret but I don't think they are user friendly anymore.

Plus if your name is any indication of your preference then you may want to stay at the Ipanema Plaza on Farme de Amoeda as that street and hotel caters to people of this orientation. Hopefully it just refers to your fashion sense.

The Corn Hole
06-30-06, 18:45
Also congrats to the mongers who knocked up 2 GDP's. They both looked like they were ready to deliver at any moment. One is a well know GDP, (but I don't know her name) looked like she had triplets in that swollen belly! I think I have a pic of her & will look for it. And yes they were still working it. : eek: "Congrats" isn't exactly the word I would use. More like "My deepest condolences."LOL. This is why i think Rio mongers should be wearing rubbers at all times. These girls will lie and say they're on the pill when they're really not. Guys just assume they wouldn't want to have another kid. WRONG!

No trick babies for me thank you very much.

Brugal8
06-30-06, 20:05
I have already posted this so if ti appears again, moderators please delete one of the posts.

Termas bononia has reopen under a new name and new management.

It's located
rua ministro alfredo valadao# 36
copacabana - rj

website:
http://www.phoenixclub.com.br/


It's open monday-saturday form 4pm to 1am.

Tels
21-22365170
21-22365238
Prices for 30 min,50 min,60 min sessions go from 90 to 220 reais.

Good quality of girls 15 (they say they will have 45 girls).

They take visa and mc.

Hope I helped.

California Guy
06-30-06, 21:02
Has anyone here been to Buzio? Is it easy to get to?

Thanks,
Cali

Full Throttle
06-30-06, 21:13
Brugal,

Is that "all-in," or in addition to the 50R cover (which is excessive for a frequently-failed, non-mainstream terma)?

Quick MonteCarlo review.

Wednesday night
Close to 30 girls, only 8-10 customers at any given time.
25 of 30 doable, 5 of 30 very high quality.
200R all-in with the email coupon which expires Jul 9.
Beers less than 5R, Red Bull still 1,000R.

After earning runner-up status frequently at L'uomos and Monte Carlo, I chose Eduarda. She is fairly tall (5'11" + with heels), witch-like sharp features and long, jet-black hair, light skin, 33 years, but she easily could have passed for 25.

She is more sweet and affectionate than sexually aggressive in the common room. Lots of caressing and kissing. She spent an hour with me before the session and two hours afterward. NON-smoker and, usually, a non-drinker.

BBBJ but NOT to completion, DATY okay, but afraid of digits and likes clitoral stimulation more than a full-on session. She says she will let me "go to town" next time. Didn't seem too interested in anal play. Bottom line: A very sweet, passionate evening and a comfortable, pleasant time in the session. I would repeat if not for the 10,000 other girls to do in Rio.

Other girls of note:

1. Valeria

Can't miss her. She's a HOOT! Absolute life of the party. Just returned from the Solid Gold tour through Mexico. Everyone seemed to like her from the girls to the staff. BIG tattoo down one leg. I think she'd be worth a whirl, but sometimes strong personalities are problematic...

2. Lauda

Medium-dark skin, nice body, pleasant smile and disposition. My buddy's choice. He said she was top-notch.

3. Lupia

Speaks perfect English. She is funny and sweet. Very short. Beautiful smile. Wednesday was her first night at MC, but certainly not in the business. She hung with us and had a lot of fun even though she knew we were sessioned-out.

4. The brace-face team

A blond and brunette working as a team. I got odd vibes and would avoid.

6. Leticia

Beautiful smile. Wavy blond hair. I'm dying to see if she is a good provider, because I thought she was beautiful. Report back!

FT

Brugal8
06-30-06, 21:22
FT,

The cover started at R$50 but now is down to R$30.

Rio Bob
06-30-06, 22:56
Has anyone here been to Buzio? Is it easy to get to?

Thanks,
Cali

Yes we have been to Buzios. Its about 2.5 hours by taxi from Copacabana to Buzios. There is also a bus which may take slightly longer.

Mike77
07-01-06, 05:01
My first time here in Rio, and I am looking for excuses to come back. I'm wondering if my job would let me work from here? Hummmm.

Anyway. my 1st experience was with Mila from CIA. Sounded nice on the phone, had a good attitude when she arived, did some DFK very nice. Then the other action. It sucked. Like she wasn't in the same room with me. very lack luster. 2 gols, bbbj, anal. But I could have been doing a blow up doll.

Second experience; When to L'uomo. Smaller then I expected about 20 girls. took me a little bit to warm up. As I was sitting alone under the DJ's booth 4 came over in a bunch to talk and play. One sat next to me named Julianna. Now I hesitate to tell you about her because I want her all to myself. She was FANTASTIC!!!!!!. They all started talking and playing and exploring as did I and then I started to sample who had silicone and who didn't. You know squeeze test. This was alot of fun. Then cam the kiss test. and Juliana won hands down. We started DFK on the couch under the DJ's booth. This lasted about 15 minutes . Really hot. Then off to the room. She is about 5'3" without heals and about 5'6" with them. She had nice c cups and a wonderful bunda (SP?) we moved to the private room. and I think I fell in love. Now I am not new to this hobby. I ahve ben doing this for about 20 years. My post go back to the old board when Atta ran it. But thats gone now. I' saying this to say that this one rocked my world. I haven't been done like that in .... I don't know when. After the session which was very hot and conversation which was spotty because of my non Porto, I found myself waiting around to see her again> I started wondering how I would react if I saw her with someone else. It was clearly time for me to go. I would love to take this little bundle of energy and softness home in my suitcase.

I love this place.
Thanks to Budda Boy for the great guide.

I have to get more business down here.

Rio Bob
07-02-06, 18:40
"Congrats" isn't exactly the word I would use. More like "My deepest condolences."LOL. This is why i think Rio mongers should be wearing rubbers at all times. These girls will lie and say they're on the pill when they're really not. Guys just assume they wouldn't want to have another kid. WRONG!

No trick babies for me thank you very much.

Ok, I have had a couple of these garotas jump on me before I had a chance to put my rubber on, I always wondered what exactly they could do to you if they claimed that you got them pregnant. I will say that before it got out of hand I secured the situation but I always wondered about their motives.

Lets say you only know her a couple of days and are staying in Rio 14 days on vacation, she may know only your name , maybe your city and maybe your address. You leave and go home, vacation is over, she is just one of many girls you had this trip and most likely she is a working girl.

Legally, what can she do? Does she go to the American consulate or embassy to make a claim against you? Does the American authorities really care? Who really cares what this working girl claims when everybody knows she may do at least 2 to 3 guys a day? Can she get a lawyer and get child support? How can anybody prove that what she is saying is the truth besides taking some type of DNA test?

I assume that this scheme to get pregnant is for money. But what are they looking for? Is it just monthly child support? I know a girl who did it to a friend of mine and she knew he was married so it wasn't to marry him, luckily he stopped midstream and put a rubber on so nothing happened. How much do you think they can get from you on a monthly basis considering the minimun wage is 400 reais a month? Maybe they are looking for a one time lump settlement, I don't know.

Im just curious if there is anybody out there who has some real info on this. Is there anybody out there who knows what precisely they are looking for in trying to pull off this scam? Is it: Lump sum, monthly support, marraige, What?

Bravo
07-02-06, 20:38
Short answer = Yes, the American Embassy really cares! It is not as hard as you think, for them to track you down, they only need a little bit of info to find you. For instance, even if the girl doesnt remember your last name, all she has to do is tell the embassy what hotel you stayed at and the dates and they can take it from there. The hotel will have your passport number and credit card info.

I know another guy who tried to end all contact with a girl, when she told him that she was pregnant. She provided the agency with his email addres and home phone number and they went after him.

The embassy will ask you to take a DNA test and if it is determined that you are the father, you will pay child support to the mother regardless if she is a hoe or not. You will pay 17% of your income (BEFORE TAXES) they dont base the payments on the brasilian standard of living:-(


I personally know 5 gdps who are receiving support for their babies from their American fathers. Only one guy voluntarily started paying, the other four women had to go to the American Embassy and fight for support.

Rio Bob
07-03-06, 02:23
Short answer = Yes, the American Embassy really cares!
The embassy will ask you to take a DNA test and if it is determined that you are the father, you will pay child support to the mother regardless if she is a hoe or not. You will pay 17% of your income (BEFORE TAXES) they dont base the payments on the brasilian standard of living:-(

Bravo, thank you for your informative answer. For sure if you bring a child into this world you should be responsible for it. And if the proper authorities are involved then everything will be above board to ensure that the DNA is a match 100% so that you are not falsely accused.

Manarch
07-03-06, 13:34
Gentlemen,

I just wanted to say "thank you" for all your fabulous reports. I've been to Rio several times, but I see I've been missing out on a lot--especially MV and the Centro termas.

For those going for the first time, Bubba Boy's guide is a MUST read. In fact, I'm going to make sure to read it again before my next trip (which unfortunately won't be until December).

Keep up the fine work. It's much appreciated.

Sunset Strip
07-03-06, 18:01
I was going to say pretty much what Bravo said about the "trick babies." I was typing a response at work and had to close the screen when somebody walked up..

Anyway, Alex at Copacabana Holiday (copacabanaholiday.com.br) told me years ago not to take these girls getting pregnant lightly. The goal is to get money from you and they will go to the Embassy, etc.

If you return to Rio and she says you are the father then you are really in hot water. This is the most common tactic when a GDP knows she has a Rio regular.

You might not be the father for real but in your desire to get rid of her and the "Brazilian" paternity test they will give you, you probably will be willing to fork over some cash to get rid of her (and the cop she will bring to pick you up).



TJ

Benjoe
07-04-06, 00:03
A brasileiro knocks-up several woman and pays nothing, because the Brazilian government won't do anything about it. A gringo knocks-up a brasileira, and the American government forces them to pay 17% off the top? Where can I get a gringo to knock-me-up.

Charm City Dave
07-04-06, 01:58
Gee the misinformation that can float around the Internet.

Given I'm paying off the 1st and only child (born in marrage here in the US), I would be very concerned about this possibility. So I checked the Office of Child Support Service web site (Federal). As I understand it, a country must have a reciprical agreement for the Feds to help get child support collected here. Here is the URL and the list of countries.

http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/programs/cse/international/index.html

Foreign Reciprocating Countries

Australia
Canada
Czech Republic
Finland
Ireland
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Slovak Republic
Switzerland

Brazil is not on the list. Child support is handled in state courts. And for residents of the countries listed above, the Feds will help get it through the state courts to get the order and wage garnishment entered only for citizens of the countries listed above. Of course all this could change tomorrow if Brazil and the US entered into an agreement. I doubt the Brazilians would do it as then Brazilians who father kids here and then high tail it back, would would be obligated to pay and the Brazilian government would be obligated to make it happen.

Never take a paternity test unless compelled to do so. If you want to know if the child is yours, have her send you some hair (pulled not cut as you need the folical) so you can get the test done here where you have complete control of the report. Never send your DNA there. Then, if the woman can get a lawyer here in the states (at her own expense) to show up with the proper documentation you are screwed. If she gets here with the kid you are screwed regardless because then the state will make you get a paternity test. But unless they are in a country as listed above, the Feds will not make you take a paternity test. Perhaps they can ask. But that is all they can do, and I am not sure they would even do that. I'm not sure what the Brazilians can do to you if you show up to visit down there. I think they can't hold you and if they can't hold you they can't make you pay a penny, but on that I am less sure.

All that said, I would not want the moral responsibility of having a kid being raised by Brazilian *****. Forget the financial responsibilities. Play safe. I once broke a rubber in there and a couple of times had it come off inside. I walk them to the pharmacy, buy the plan B pills and watch them take it.

Yada Yada Yada.

Giggity
07-04-06, 06:49
All that said, I would not want the moral responsibility of having a kid being raised by Brazilian *****. Forget the financial responsibilities.Good point. It's important to remember that something can still be wrong even if it has no legal consequences. Just as other actions can be illegal even if they don't cause any harm. I know lots of the other forum members probably share your view on the subject, but it's just nice seeing someone come out and say it.

Benjoe
07-04-06, 13:51
Gee the misinformation that can float around the Internet.

Given I'm paying off the 1st and only child (born in marrage here in the US), I would be very concerned about this possibility. So I checked the Office of Child Support Service web site (Federal). As I understand it, a country must have a reciprical agreement for the Feds to help get child support collected here. Here is the URL and the list of countries.

Brazil is not on the list.So, are those 5 Americans forced by an American government agency (certainly, not a Brazilian one) to pay child support? Or are they voluntarily paying child support because of their belief that it is right thing to do?

El Austriaco
07-04-06, 19:09
Well, let´s see, this is how it works:

Let´s say a GDP (or a regular girl) gets knocked up by a foreign monger, monger returns home, so what happens when the baby is born? The kid must be registered at the Registro Civil, where the Mom may chose to specify a father or not. In case she specifies the father (provided she knows your full name), well, then you are on the hook, because for all official ends and purposes, you are the father unless proven otherwise.

Of course, in case you are in the country at the time of birth and you chose to register the child yourself, this constitutes official acknowledgement that you assume paternity. This is the method preferred by the Brazilian Civil Registry, that the declarant is the father (this is the section on the BC that says: FOI DECLARANTE O PAI).

So, in case you accidentally knock up a GDP (or any other girl, for that matter), you return to Rio, and she hits you with the news, I would IMMEDIATELY ask for a copy of the birth certificate (BC). Does it say you are the father or not? If not, she has little leverage to get you to submit to a DNA test, considering that she didn´t specify you as a father on the BC, and it is up to HER to prove that you are. If she did, it is up to YOU to prove that you are not. Get a lawyer immediately to determine the most appropriate procedure. Get a list of trusted and reliable lawyers from your country´s embassy/consulate. Considering the potential cost of paternity for you, this will be money well-spent.

The way I understand it, Brazil is definitely pretty hard on deadbeat dads. So once it has been determined that you are indeed the father of a Brazilian kid, don't just think that it will be easy to get away with skipping child support. If you get caught in Brazil, you are in a lot of trouble (especially as a foreigner with cash). Again, as long as she doesn´t know your full name and home address, a girl will have difficulty enforcing this.

But hey, look at the bright side of things. As a father of a Brazilian child, you are automatically entitled to residence. As a matter of fact, assuming paternity for a Brazilian child is by far the easiest way to be allowed to stay permanently in Brazil (much easier than marrying a Brazilian, let alone adopt a Brazilian child). If you don´t believe me, ask Ronald Biggs :)

Anyhow. Needless to say, in addition to the legal aspects of the issue, there are moral/ethical ones, too. In this respect, I fully agree with Rio Bob in that, in case you really got a girl pregnant, IMHO, it is your moral obligation to properly take care of her and the baby financially, regardless of whether you want a relationship with the mother or child or not (that´s a personal issue that is really up to you and you only).

If you are one of those SOBs who simply doesn´t want to assume any financial responsibility for any offspring you engender, just make sure whoever you sleep with doesn´t know your full name, home town, home or work addresses or phone numbers, or places where you stay in Brazil: you will be almost impossible to track down. Not that I endorse such irresponsible behavior in any fashion.

EA (proud father of Brazilian child who willingly pays child support, therefore unaware of how cooperative foreign government authorities would be in terms of collecting child support payments).

Patbutter
07-05-06, 05:49
Any of you guys who know you are done having kids - consider a vasectomy. I'm looking into it myself. Then I won't need to worry about any of this shit ever again.

Nyc Expat
07-05-06, 15:22
Can anyone tell me please which RIO airport RJ(S.Dumont) or RJ(Galeão) is suggested for arrival closest or easiest access to Ave. Pres. Wilson (US Consulate). I am a proud dad of a newborn (my first) to register his birth for US citizenship. Thanks for your reply.

BTW, The father of the child must show photo ID (his passport and preferably his birth certificate), his address of residency, employment and give the names of his parents on the child's birth certificate. It sounds almost impossible for a brasileira claiming a foreign citizen paternity to know this information for completing the certificate. If she does not have this information, I would think any birth certificate's validity can be challenged.

The location of the child's birth requests the father's identification also but his name can easily be wriiten on hospital documents without his presence. These docs are required for birth certificate registry.

El Austriaco
07-05-06, 18:53
BTW, The father of the child must show photo ID (his passport and preferably his birth certificate), his address of residency, employment and give the names of his parents on the child's birth certificate.

The location of the child's birth requests the father's identification also but his name can easily be wriiten on hospital documents without his presence. These docs are required for birth certificate registry.
100% correct. I can confirm this information.

EA

Bubba Boy
07-05-06, 20:58
Santos Dumont is the closest airport, its actually not that far away from Ave Pres Wilson (which is essentially in Centro), maybe a mile or so. Having said this, it is a domestic airport, I don't know that any international flights will arrive at this airport. Of course if you are arriving from Sampa or another domestic city it is convenient.

Galeão is about a R30 trip away by taxi from Ave Pres Wilson.

A further tip: Often domestic flights that arrive through international airports can be had for half the price of domestic flights arriving at the domestic airport.

If you need any more info send me a PM, I have made a number of trips into that airport and around that part of town.

A further point. I get a few PM's, generally if they are from a member with only a few posts, less than 10, I will delete the PM without responding. Particularly if it is a detailed question. If it is a thankyou for one of my posts I might say ''your welcome" but thats about it. On the other hand if a senior member with a number of posts sends me a PM I am more than willing to share what info I have. My point is, this board is all about sharing info, the more info one shares, the more help one will receive when it comes to asking a question.

Nyc Expat
07-05-06, 22:41
Hi Bubba Boy. Your info is exactly what I need. SD is perfect for arrival from another domestic airport. Enjoy.

Shemp
07-06-06, 05:53
Anyone know where I can rent a phone cheap in Copa near rua Bolivar? Last time I rented from Bobby @blame... for R15 a day, incoming calls free. Since all my calls are outgoing can I get a better rate somewhere even if I have to pay for incoming calls?

Thanx for your help,

Your stooge, shemp

Trippleecks
07-06-06, 13:11
Bring an "UNLOCKED" GSM phone with you.. 900/1800/1900 is what you need in Brazil and buy a chip from TIM for 10.reais. Not sure what others charge for chips but they should be in line with that price.

Nyc Expat
07-06-06, 13:51
I gave an unlocked phone as a gift. In order to buy the TIM simchip, she needed Brasilian photo ID card and proof of residency.

Bubba Boy
07-06-06, 15:41
Foreigners need to only produce their passports and need to supply an address, any address will do, a hotel is fine. I have purchased more Tim chips than I care to remember over the years. Some of the small cellular stores in Centro, that can unlock your phone for R50, will sell you a chip without any ID.

El Mujerista
07-06-06, 16:36
To add to Bubba Boy's post: I've bought a couple of OI! SIM chips at Lages Americanas in Copa (they expire after a couple of years, even if you keep the account funded). I've never needed a passport or even a copy -- they've actually taken my US driver's license as ID, and yes, just give the hotel address or any local address. It's just paperwork that they're required to fill out; they're not held accountable if the details can't be verified or are incorrect.

BTW, you don't need a tri-band as none of Brazil's GSM carriers use 1900 Mhz. Most use 1800 Mhz, with a couple of 900/1800 systems (though none in Rio at this time).

Rio Bob
07-06-06, 22:50
Anyone know where I can rent a phone cheap in Copa near rua Bolivar? Last time I rented from Bobby @blame... for R15 a day, incoming calls free. Since all my calls are outgoing can I get a better rate somewhere even if I have to pay for incoming calls?

Thanx for your help,

Your stooge, shemp

You can ask Bobby to lower his price because at todays exchange rate 15 reais is too much. The place next door to Bobby's place the internet cafe Tudo Facil also rents phones. These guys who rent phones have paid for these phones over and over again, I would offer Bobby $3 dollars a day, which is more than enough. Especially if you rent your apartment from Bobby, he should give you a break on the phone.

Full Throttle
07-06-06, 23:07
Made my near-weekly hook up with Ibiza on Sunday Evening. For a twist, we decided to enjoy Gavea, which many of you accurately know to be a fraternity/sorority mix party on Sunday nights. We arrived around 10PM on this rather breezy, cool, drizzly night. While not the street party some have experienced, the restaurants/ bars were all filled to overflow maximums for seating.

The environment did remind me of a lot of college events-- tons of people standing around seemingly waiting for the party to start which, in a Seinfeld sort of way, was the party itself.

The mix seemed to be close to 50/50, with the average age of 21 (present company excluded). 90% of the girls were quite pleasing to the eye. Beers were cheap, as low as $2.75 for the 22oz. bottles distributed into plastic cups-- the benchmark of fraternity events.

The crowd thinned around midnight and, feeling invible anyway, we departed for the Help Veranda.

It was rather sparsely populated, but much busier than the week before during the more inclement weather. We were immediately identified by three sets of girls, including the one containing last week's girl, Luciana #72. Don't know if I mentioned her. Light skin, light brown/reddish hair, late 20's, quite skinny, small up top. Not beautiful, but the body is quite tight. I promised I wouldn't share how much I and my buddy have spent on her lately, but suffice to say it was NOT 150R or more for all night. She might demand that one day, but not in the current supply/demand environment.

We all flirted with the girls and with the idea of taking one home, but going home alone to get a good-night's sleep before the Centro extravaganza to follow was wise.

CENTO

After pumping 3 lbs. of sugar into my system by way of Ibiza's daily Acei treatment, we were off to Centro mid-day Monday. We were eager to find another massage place or two after our finds from the previous week. Thank goodness for Ibiza's blooming Portogese, because we needed that, a long conversation with a city policeman and some old fashioned American ingenuity to figure out the address. You're not supposed to go there unnanounced, so call first: 2215 5741. I'm not looking at a map, but it's on the street right next to the Caricao Metro stop, Alamante Bajoso or something, number 6, rooms 302, 304 and 305. There is one door for 304 and 305, and that worked.

We were there a little early. Five girls total, one occupied. I chose Carol. An adorable little spinner who was fantastic. Ibiza took Patricia who he can review. Additional girls were arriving upon our exit at around 3pm.
Total price $80R for the hour.

Then, off to lunch. Looked for a pay by the kilo joint, but found one that charged $4.70R for as much as you could pile on your plate. Several main dishes and a dozen side dishes. $2.25 U.S. well spent.

Energy restored, off to 4X4 by way of several dive, $1R/minute cathouses. None worth lowering yourself to unless you're on a serious, serious budget. Aquarius is such a deal for about the same price.

Anyway, we then went to participate in my favorite activity, "robing!" Short story, but will return with the details...

Pipe Layer99
07-07-06, 06:39
Anyone know where I can rent a phone cheap in Copa near rua Bolivar? Last time I rented from Bobby @blame... for R15 a day, incoming calls free. Since all my calls are outgoing can I get a better rate somewhere even if I have to pay for incoming calls?

Thanx for your help,

Your stooge, shempYou can rent a cell phone from John Thompson (an American) for $5 US a day. His office is on the street to the right of HELP. Rua Djalma Ulrich 110

His office number is 2247-8902

DD

Sunset
07-07-06, 14:03
The cover at the door may be down, but it was definitely up on the bj last week. I forgot to ask first.

Jose Lima
07-07-06, 21:02
You can ask Bobby to lower his price because at todays exchange rate 15 reais is too much. The place next door to Bobby's place the internet cafe Tudo Facil also rents phones. These guys who rent phones have paid for these phones over and over again, I would offer Bobby $3 dollars a day, which is more than enough. Especially if you rent your apartment from Bobby, he should give you a break on the phone.Here is a funny story for you guys.

I rented a cell phone in Sao Paolo for 2 10 days. The girl comes in with the bill. $650. I almost felll out of my chair. I chalked it up to being to dumb to buy a prepay. In case you want to know stay the hell away from presscell, although the girl that brings you the phone is very hot. STAY AWAY. I called my father when she gave me the bill (she had already charged my AMEX card)) and he told me he has been charged over $1500 for 10 days. I didnt feel as bad but damn the prepay would have saved me like $400.

Kenn
07-08-06, 20:03
From now until Dec.01, 2006 whenever you rent an apt. from us, you get 1 free cell phone...

El Greco
07-08-06, 22:23
Anyone know where I can rent a phone cheap in Copa near rua Bolivar? Last time I rented from Bobby @blame... for R15 a day, incoming calls free. Since all my calls are outgoing can I get a better rate somewhere even if I have to pay for incoming calls?

You don't have to pay for incoming calls in Brasil unless you are in roaming.
eg you are in Fortaleza and you use a Rio number.

Why do you want to rent a phone? You can buy,anywhere, a basic one for about 10-15 usd and use it right away. You only have to fill it with some credit from time to time.
Try Oi company. After each call they send you a message with your remaining credit.

If you want to make overseas calls to usa then get vonage from the states and make sure your hotel/apartment provides fast internet.

El Greco

Ardgneas
07-08-06, 23:45
I gave an unlocked phone as a gift. In order to buy the TIM simchip, she needed Brasilian photo ID card and proof of residency.

Foreigners need to only produce their passports and need to supply an address, any address will do, a hotel is fine. I have purchased more Tim chips than I care to remember over the years. On the face of it conflicting info and in the past I too have used my passport to purchase Oi SIMs at the store in Rio Sul. However my experience of two weeks ago mirrors NYCExpat’s. I purchased an Oi SIM in Lojas Americanas in Rio Sul. Neither they or the Oi kiosk there would register it in-store using my passport. Instead they insisted I register over the phone. The phone operator would NOT accept a passport no. and insisted on a CPF i.e. Brazilian identity no. My buddy who’s been a lawyer in Rio for 10+ years i.e. fluent spoke with her and argued to no avail and in the end simply gave his CPF to get it done and dusted. Whether stores in Centro are willing to overlook this I don’t know, but there does appear to have been a change in the policy regarding the ID required.

Sunset
07-10-06, 01:03
The only company owned Oi store in Rio is located next to the entrance of a couple of cheap clubs, N. S. Copacabana 583 Rooms: 201 and 204. This store will activate your Oi chip on the spot even if you bought it somewhere else.

Carlos Primeros
07-10-06, 12:38
I flew in to Rio a few days ago from Europe on business class and gess what?

A lady was sitting next to me - approx. 45 - 50 years old. We got talking and she told me that she is working for the Bill - Gates - Foundation. They have a convention in Rio against prostitution. Then she told me that 70 people will meet, talk for two days and then they all fly back. The result will be as usual ZERO - but that is how people make their living. As I am very often in Angola we also talked about Angola and she told me that the Gates Foundation is spending every year a lot of money in anti-Aids campaignes and anti-Aids drugs there but that they are aware that only 10 % of the money they spend is really for the needy - the rest ends up in the pockets of the officials and the employees of various NCO organisations.

What do we learn from this? Money given to these people do n ot reach the victims/needy - we better continue mongering, pay the girls directly and in this way the money will end up where it is needed - to support the families fo the garotas.

Keep on mongering!

Carlos

Carlos Primeros
07-10-06, 12:47
The weather in Rio is just fine - a little bit chilly in the night but otherwise perfect.

I went over the week-end to Balcony and to Help. The quaility of the girls is quite low at present. Going prices are approx. 150 Real.

I called on Friday night an agency called FELINAS - they have an offer for girls TLN for 180 Real - they send two girls over, I picked a nice Mulatta. Takling to her did reveal that she just came from the Nordeste and that she did not have a penny. That is how this agency gets the girls. They recruit them in the poor areas of Brazil.

The service was really good, totally GFE, 2 pops in the night and one before breakfast.

I called on Saturday a girl from the internet-site Amantes & Cia - name ANNY.
She even made it quite clear at the phone: 1 hour service 80 Real and taxi.
She showed 30 minutes too late up, gave me a receipt of the taxi for 10 Real and we started taking a shower. She really performed as promised BBBJCIM, anal , kissing etc. The photos on the internet-side are a little bit aumented but otherwise it was totally ok.

This week I will give the various Thermas in Centro agan a try.

Happy mongering

Carlos

Ezinho
07-10-06, 16:28
I called on Friday night an agency called FELINAS - they have an offer for girls TLN for 180 Real - they send two girls over, I picked a nice Mulatta.
Excellent reporting, just wondering was this the agency you used (sounds like it, they mention the same pernoite price):

http://www.agenciafelinas.com.br

Is the girl you got featured on this site (Catia maybe)? Sounds like a great deal, thanks for the info...

Exec Talent
07-10-06, 17:09
I don't understand why anyone would rent an apartment and pay for a cell phone. Kenn from www.Ez-RioRentals.com let me use one when I rented from him and Dieine from www.copaapartments.com also provides them for her clients.

As for using your own phone and changing the chip, I had my US phone unlocked and took it to TIM in Rio Sol Mall. They could not get it to work. That turned out to be a good thing, since my maid (who speaks English) had her phone stolen from her right on the street when she was talking on it. My US phone sells for about USD 1,200 here, so in retrospect, I am glad to not have been seen with it on the street. Instead, I bought a cheap R$100 Nokia model from Claro and recharge it at Sendas just by typing in the number twice on the keypad.

Ardgneas
07-10-06, 23:16
The only company owned Oi store in Rio is located next to the entrance of a couple of cheap clubs, N. S. Copacabana 583 Rooms: 201 and 204.Incorrect, whilst there is a Oi store located there it is not the only one in Rio e.g. there are two Oi stores in Rio Sul alone although one is a kiosk. http://www.riosul.com.br/lojas_o.htm

Personally I would be shocked if there isn't at least one Oi store in each of the main bairros in Zona Sul as well as a couple in Barra.


This store will activate your Oi chip on the spot even if you bought it somewhere else.Whether this particular store still activates chips I can't say but two weeks ago the Oi Store in Rio Sul resolutely refused to do so despite having my passport with me as ID. When was the last time you got a chip activated there?

Patbutter
07-11-06, 04:30
I don't understand why anyone would rent an apartment and pay for a cell phone. Kenn from www.Ez-RioRentals.com let me use one when I rented from him and Dieine from www.copaapartments.com also provides them for her clients.ET -

Based on recommendations on this board, including your own, I contacted Dieine to rent an apt in Copa. She requested 1/2 of the total cost upfront, basically in cash, the rest to be paid in cash on arrival to Rio. Is this your experience with her and copaapartments? That kind of cash down payment makes me nervous

Thanks,

PB

Ibiza007
07-11-06, 04:48
Centro - Patricia is very nice, sweet and enthusiastic. Recomended. See Full Throttles report from earlier...

Fo those of you with a bit of a kink, I found one today in Copa, phone booth girl. GIA, R$50 - 30 min, R$100 hr. She is a bit strange and not a great body, but once I am there, I rarely leave without a test run. (princess isabell #7, apt 3??, call 2244-3676.)

Anyway, she is truly an ass-licker. I took a quick shower, and she was on my bung hole like an eskimo to blubber.

Next she repeatedly attempted to poke my bum with her fingers, her dildos and anything else handy(TV remote), she played hardcore porn the whole time, gave the worst massage I have ever had in Rio, and really preferred trying to fuck me with her toys vs, me fk'n her.

So, if you need a little kink, have fun with her. I will not go back, but others might take a $40.00 gamble.

Mr. Throttle, when you return, I have a new place, R$100 , two girls 40 minutes, lesbian acts included if requested, 5 girls or more , and 3 are nice, one really nice, normal centro, R$80 per hour.

Near Cinelandia station.

FT - we have alot of work left in our research report, Centro Rio rocks for small houses, just think, two hours for the price of one in 4x4. I love 4x4, but these small apartamentos have great gems in them. (carol was really cute)

And, the food we had for R$4.75, for as much as you could put on your plate, was really good. I thought it tasted better than most kilo joints in Copa, really nice flavors.

More reports to come.

?? Do you think I should ask for a discount - One of my favorite special friends has broken her leg in a car wreck, so now I have to go to her apartment ( 2 blocks away) and do her in her house. So, she has a broken leg in a cast, but a fantastic body and smile, but know longer travels, so should I ask her for a taxi discount!!!!

IBZ



QUOTE from Full throttles report ---------below

CENTO

After pumping 3 lbs. of sugar into my system by way of Ibiza's daily Acei treatment, we were off to Centro mid-day Monday. We were eager to find another massage place or two after our finds from the previous week. Thank goodness for Ibiza's blooming Portogese, because we needed that, a long conversation with a city policeman and some old fashioned American ingenuity to figure out the address. You're not supposed to go there unnanounced, so call first: 2215 5741. I'm not looking at a map, but it's on the street right next to the Caricao Metro stop, Alamante Bajoso or something, number 6, rooms 302, 304 and 305. There is one door for 304 and 305, and that worked.

We were there a little early. Five girls total, one occupied. I chose Carol. An adorable little spinner who was fantastic. Ibiza took Patricia who he can review. Additional girls were arriving upon our exit at around 3pm.
Total price $80R for the hour.

Then, off to lunch. Looked for a pay by the kilo joint, but found one that charged $4.70R for as much as you could pile on your plate. Several main dishes and a dozen side dishes. $2.25 U.S. well spent.

Exec Talent
07-11-06, 09:30
ET -

Based on recommendations on this board, including your own, I contacted Dieine to rent an apt in Copa. She requested 1/2 of the total cost upfront, basically in cash, the rest to be paid in cash on arrival to Rio. Is this your experience with her and copaapartments? That kind of cash down payment makes me nervous

Thanks,

PB

I can understand your concerns, and I was a little nervous the first time I rented an apartment here (I had been staying in hotels, often for weeks, or with my girlfriend). In Rio, aparments frequently are available to be rented by several brokers. Your deposit is given to the apartment owner to reserve your rental. The owners expect cash.

As for the balance, it is normal to pay that when accepting the keys to the apartment. When I rented from Kenn he was nice enough to meet me at the bank because it made me nervous to carry around Rio a large amount of cash.

When I have sent money to Rio, it has been via Western Union. I use a supermarket or drug store, not a western union office. They charge less than $20 per $1,000.

Rio Bob
07-11-06, 12:05
ET -

Based on recommendations on this board, including your own, I contacted Dieine to rent an apt in Copa. She requested 1/2 of the total cost upfront, basically in cash, the rest to be paid in cash on arrival to Rio. Is this your experience with her and copaapartments? That kind of cash down payment makes me nervousThanks,PB

I believe that 50% of total cost is a lot of money for a deposit especially if it is non refundable. Anything could happen, something can come up and you can loose a lot of money. I prefer to pay one days rent only and send it by Pay pal, that is how my agent does it. One time I had to just change my dates and the new dates were open so I didn't loose my deposit but if I had to cancel I probably would and loosing 1 days rent is not so bad.

Brotherrabitt
07-11-06, 13:09
Hi Guys,

I just spent some time reading the last 4/5 pages of this thread and I respectfully ask your assistance.

I visited Rio some 15 years ago and had a wonderful time, great atmosphere, beautiful women, excellent prices, mongers' heaven.

Now where did Rio go ? Have I missed something ? Has it moved ? Page after page about apartments, cell phones, vasectomies, visa's, child support, and hidden between this "tupperware party banter" a tiny bit of info about women.

Or is the supply and demand situation such that talking about women in Rio makes no sense as the supply is a multiple of demand and unless your vision is impaired it is impossible NOT to find women ?

Or have the rules of the board changed and is it now forbidden to talk about commercial sex ?

So once more, where is the Rio I know from 15 years ago ?

Vandal

ps, no need to get upset guys, just trying to stir things up a bit. Great contributions from all of you, really ! It's just my frustration of having to pay 300-400 Euro for a few hours fun in Budapest.

Crypton
07-11-06, 15:40
Hi Guys,

I just spent some time reading the last 4/5 pages of this thread and I respectfully ask your assistance.

I visited Rio some 15 years ago and had a wonderful time, great atmosphere, beautiful women, excellent prices, mongers' heaven.

Now where did Rio go ? Have I missed something ? Has it moved ? Page after page about apartments, cell phones, vasectomies, visa's, child support, and hidden between this "tupperware party banter" a tiny bit of info about women.

Or is the supply and demand situation such that talking about women in Rio makes no sense as the supply is a multiple of demand and unless your vision is impaired it is impossible NOT to find women ?

Or have the rules of the board changed and is it now forbidden to talk about commercial sex ?

So once more, where is the Rio I know from 15 years ago ?

Vandal

ps, no need to get upset guys, just trying to stir things up a bit. Great contributions from all of you, really ! It's just my frustration of having to pay 300-400 Euro for a few hours fun in Budapest.

Vandal,

Good point - this is a problem with many threads. Which is precisely why Jackson set up the "reports of distinction" section for many countries. each post there is informative without the "tupperware banter".

Sperto
07-11-06, 17:08
So once more, where is the Rio I know from 15 years ago ?
I would say that Rio is just about the same as 15 years ago. Lovely women with top-class bundas.
It's annoying that the Rio thread get filled up with discussions that belongs to other threads like "Rio de Janeiro - Hotels & Apartments" or "General Info".

Double
07-11-06, 21:58
It is in Brazil, which is in South America....;-)

El Austriaco
07-12-06, 00:35
I visited Rio some 15 years ago and had a wonderful time, great atmosphere, beautiful women, excellent prices, mongers' heaven.

Now where did Rio go ? Have I missed something ? Has it moved ? Page after page about apartments, cell phones, vasectomies, visa's, child support, and hidden between this "tupperware party banter" a tiny bit of info about women.
If you haven't been to Rio in a while and are not all that familiar with the scene any more, I suggest you go straight to the Bubba Guide for a very comprehensive overview. As a matter of fact, this should be the first stop for newbies and experienced mongers that haven't been to Rio in a while:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2191

Second, check the Reports of Distinction, as others have suggested before, for spot-on, on-topic reports.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2008

Then, scan the daily reports to fill in the blanks with current information about miscellaneous issues which might be beneficial to mongers... yes, like cell phones, apartments, exchange rates, visa and legal issues, etc.

Finally, make sure to check out the Rio Crime and Safety section:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1507

There are a lot more posts about Rio now than 15 years ago, I suppose, which means sifting through some chitchat and off-topic posts, yes... but there is also much more, more accurate, up-to-date, and varied information available now. Hope the above helps to find it in a relatively painfree manner.

Happy mongering!

EA

Ardgneas
07-12-06, 01:23
Now where did Rio go ? Have I missed something ? Has it moved ? Page after page about apartments, cell phones, vasectomies, visa's, child support, and hidden between this "tupperware party banter" a tiny bit of info about women.Getting a good apartment/cell phone set up can be tricky in Rio, getting beautiful women isn't. ;)

FWIW on my last trip late June (3 nights out) I paid the following:

1. Terrraco : R$150
2. Help R$120
3. Terrcaco : R$100

All picked up around 2-3 am, left the apt. 1-2pm. They were 6s and 7s rather than 8s or 9s but I had a good vibe with them. As a point of reference I've never seen a 10 in Rio. Another 7 asked R$200 for an hour, R$500 for all night in Terraco. Go figure.

Brotherrabitt
07-12-06, 07:22
Hi guys

This is what I mean, you guys pay some Euro 40-50 for LT in Rio, great women, fun to be with, and lots of them.

In central europe, you pay this for a 30 min quicky, and you need to pay 5-10 times this amount for LT (which in CE means 4-5 hrs). So have mercy on a poor monger who sometimes checks other threads in places where the hobby is cheaper and more fun.

I have no reason to visit Rio, unless any of you plan to start some business between LA and the EU, and you need a partner here to make it work. I have very good memories of the place, and not just in the mongering sense.

Sorry about the disturbance and being responsible for temporarily changing the main topics you guys so much enjoy to discuss, so have fun with the cell phones, vasectomies, appartments, child support, visa's ..............

Vandal

Carlos Primeros
07-12-06, 14:41
Monday night -

went to L´Uomo. 17.00 hours 18 girls and 8 customers.

The girls there are far far better than what you meet at Help, Balcony etc.
The Terma-girls know how to keep their body fit. Not these fat slobs hanging around Av. Atlantica.
I had a cute spinner - Karen. Tall, slim and the best pussy and ass you can imagine. Had at the bar maybe for 20 - 30 minutes a ¨warm-up¨before we started in earnest. Damage: incl. 3 drinks at the bar 234 Real. It was simply worth it.
Yesterday evening I was sitting hat Terraca Atlantica and watched the meat-market there.

Minimum 300 girls walked by - but maybe only 10 - 15 doable. Called one over and had a chat with her - she started the same bullshit all over with 300 Real per hour. I told her that I would call a girl from ScortShow or some other places and they charge only 100 for 2 hours. Anyhow - she got upset and told me that she is not a cheap hooker - which made me laugh - a hooker, yes, cheap - no. So I passed on here.

These girs do not understand that this is a present time a buyers market. So - take up the offer or leave it to the next girl.

I really think that the majority of the girls at Help either do not have a mirror at home and the scale in the bath-room is broken. 90 % of them have stretch - marks and are on the very heavy side. And than pay so much money? I have noticed that they do their business with our black American brothers. Unfortunately these guys must flash their money and take the uggliest hookers. (No insult intended) But everyone to his own.

Today: Centro - Termas. Here I come.

Carlos

Ibiza007
07-12-06, 15:02
Name Luciana

Description - 5-5" heels. 5-2" w/o
Cute negro - mulato girl, great smile, and absolutely the biggest tits in Rio, and she knows it.

She talks a good game, but she is terrible, left early, promised the sun and moon,

You will see her, and if she has the biggest breast in the surrounding area, ask if she is Luciana, if yes, leave. Or pay just to look at them, which was not all bad.

I talked to two girls in Copa this week that are leaving for Europe, and greener pastures.

TIP, Ana Clara, Centro Massage casa, SEE my earlier post on her , top 10 in Rio, and I have been laying down some wood for the last 9 months,

Also, Melissa at 4x4, always rock solid.

Stop wasting your money at Help.

There are aton of girls here, but as mentioned, 20 lbs over prime and not cute, a buyers market for terrible girls. Oh, do I miss Carnaval when the SP girls come to town, they dress better, and look better, their mirrors do work.

IBZ

Ibiza007
07-12-06, 15:15
the massage section of this site is the best deal in rio, start going to these places, they are usually not very busy, and they are happy to see you, you feel like you have just upgraded to first class from coach ( comparing helpeee to these places ) they actually have smiling faces.

there are at least 30 massage places on this site, as time permits, i am trying to visit as many as possible, but i still have to eat and sleep!

you do not even need portuguese, just hand the taxi driver the cell phone and he will drop you off at the front door. ask for addresso edificio, e numero apartamento, quanto custo per hora, all the portuguese you need,

bank info - bradessco has selective locations that have the plus system, i am finding not all do, so not a sure thing.

ibz

Wanderer1000
07-13-06, 16:33
I was one of those eight guys in Luomos on Monday at 17:00. The Copacabana termas are slow now - slower than this time of year in the past when the R$ was weaker. It is trully a buyers market here. Maybe more women have gone to Europe to work - I don´t know. But I´ve found enough quality through quantity to keep myself happy over the last month.

I don´t do the street or Help girls - not my thing. I also don´t think the quality is ever that great in Help. I prefer to find termas girls I like and invite them over to my place on their off-hours (I also feel safer with them). I would say that the highest percentage of doable women in the last month have been at Luomos. I only see two or three at Monte Carlo that inspire me - but I admit I´m a picky SOB. I went to 4x4 in Centro the last two days, and I don´t think the quality is that great. In the spirit of "it only takes one", I am contemplating whether to go back for a third day in a row for a diamond in the rough I found.

On a side note, I had a good conversation with an English speaking, non-GDP that works in one of the termas. I had spoken with her on many occasions and she felt comfortable with me. I know there are occasionally conversations that get going here about "are they only interested in my money, are they just good actresses, do they really care about you sometimes, etc". I´ll just say that my conversation with her was a reminder to:
1. Never send money to these women for whatever reason they give you.
2. Never believe that you are handsome, no matter how many times it´s said.
3. These women are generally good to great actresses.
4. Never marry these women!!!

Royal21
07-13-06, 18:37
I plan to ask a friend in new york to drop off my visa application next week. They do not take application by mail in new york. I need clarification on tickets and hotel information on the visa application, from regular visitors.

1. Do i really need to buy the (non refundable) brasilian air ticket before i apply for visa or just a printed itenary from Epedia works? (Europe accepts just itenary)

2. I intend to take an apartment in Rio but that will have to come later, after visa is in my hand. For now can i just put the address of Marriott? Do they really check? (I can also book a Marriott for now and then cancel later on)

Is there anything else they make a fuss on?

HeadGames
07-13-06, 22:48
Bill - Gates - Foundation

No need to give anything to them, Warren Buffet is giving all his money to them. Soon prostitution will be a thing of the past everywhere! What a bunch of fools.

Nyc Expat
07-14-06, 00:34
pls elaborate on your statement:
"4. Never marry these women!!!"

Brazilian women in general?

Wanderer1000
07-14-06, 01:00
NYC -

I don´t have a lot of time right now, but I´m referring to the GDP.

I keep hearing about all the guys (Americans, mainly - but a lot of various Western country guys) that marry the working girls as I travel through the different mongering locations over the years. I used to think it didn´t happen that much, but I´m getting the sense that it´s pretty common.

Anyhow, the stories that go on are trully amazing. I´ll try to elaborate when I have more time.

Viva Copa
07-14-06, 04:23
Play the game in the wild (Alll over the world) as the smart and SOB HUNTER that you ARE. (You are holding the trump card, the ammunition)

Brasilian ladies are keen about reading your mind! The'll screw you up (literally) in the most subtle way in a heart beat.

They lack the American Demons, though: USA lawyers!

So have a good time, have fun. Brasil is GAME. The more the merrier!

I will toast for all of you who score, and score!

I play the numbers.

Bubba Boy
07-14-06, 04:37
They don't check the address on your visa app. In fact no countries that I know of do this. I always put the same hotel down on my forms when entering brasil. Never actually stayed at the hotel I put down but I hear it is nice ;-)

Royal21
07-14-06, 05:06
They don't check the address on your visa app. In fact no countries that I know of do this. I always put the same hotel down on my forms when entering brasil. Never actually stayed at the hotel I put down but I hear it is nice ;-)Thanks Bubba Boy.

Do you need to purchase the tickets before you apply for visa?

RonnyRon
07-14-06, 06:52
I'll answer for Bubba Boy. No, but you must have your visa before you board the plane. The last time I got my visa renewed 2002 it was 3 hours before my trip. I went straight from the embassy to the airport. Real cool folks at the embassy in San Francisco, but I don't advise trying it.

RR

Carlos Primeros
07-14-06, 13:42
Funny how small the world is - our brother Jak among the 8 clinetes of L´Uomo. Was that you talking to the masagista in the room where they serve meals to the girls and I asked the girl for a massage?

Did you had a chance to read the book of Paolo Coelho - Eleven Minutes - which describes the life of a GDP? Actually you know that the author is a vivid monger living in Switzerland and here in Rio? I think that this story is a first-hand story written down by him and not ¨composed¨.

We all have met people getting married to GDPs and the marriage seldom works out (there are certainly exceptions - I have expereinced that with a girl-freind) as you can take a GDP out of the *****-house but the whoring not out of her head. They are simply extrem opportunist and the are looking all theri life only for a better deal. If you marry, you want a woman which stays with you in good and bad times and not somebody which leaves you at a blink of an eye if a slightly better chance occures.

Valeu amigos

Carlos

Full Throttle
07-14-06, 14:41
Unfinished business...

An hour after leaving the massage casa and minutes after eating our $2.20US lunch, Ibiza and I went to 4X4. We arrived at 16:30, so there was some time pressure to be disrobed by 17:00.

Ibiza had plans to see a new favorite or, as a backup, one of 2 known providers. As usual, one girl was occupied, another quit and another wasn't there, yet. I'd narrowed my search to a couple of girls who both went down the drain.

And, I mean that literally. When they get bored, they go right down the drain in the middle of the terma. They spin right around a pole that drops them into the whiskeria on the next floor. I forgot to notice if they went down counter-clockwise.

At the last moment, I chose Gabrielle, who had been working me with a sly smile. I wasn't particullarly optimistic, as I was only batting .333 in 4X4 and there was simply no time for a pre-screen. As it was, we got to the room at 16:58.

I would recommend Gabrielle. She likes to kiss and gives a superior BBBJ. Her body is a little bigger than it should be, but not drooping anywhere. Her hair is naturally strawberry-blond, and it was a pleasure to fondle her soft, long, natural hair.

Only drawbacks for some is that CIM and anal didn't appear to be on the menu.

Bubba Boy
07-14-06, 15:44
You definitely need your tickets before you get your visa now. They just recently changed this a few months ago. I can confirm this is being enforceds in Buenos Aires and Miami, 2 embassies I have been in recently. Can't confirm the other emabassies but I am thinking it is a world wide update.

Crypton
07-14-06, 15:59
You definitely need your tickets before you get your visa now. They just recently changed this a few months ago. I can confirm this is being enforceds in Buenos Aires and Miami, 2 embassies I have been in recently. Can't confirm the other emabassies but I am thinking it is a world wide update.

I can confrim this requirement for the Houston consulate also.

Crypton
07-14-06, 16:07
I plan to ask a friend in new york to drop off my visa application next week. They do not take application by mail in new york. I need clarification on tickets and hotel information on the visa application, from regular visitors.

1. Do i really need to buy the (non refundable) brasilian air ticket before i apply for visa or just a printed itenary from Epedia works? (Europe accepts just itenary)

2. I intend to take an apartment in Rio but that will have to come later, after visa is in my hand. For now can i just put the address of Marriott? Do they really check? (I can also book a Marriott for now and then cancel later on)

Is there anything else they make a fuss on?

Royal,

My visa is being processed now (I hope). I sent them a printout of the itinerary I got from Expedia. I think this will work.

I knew what hotel I will be staying in Recife - so put that down. I don't know hotel in Rio - si I just put down "to be determined."

Just make sure you cross all the t's and dot the i's. They seem kinda picky.

Cheers.

Royal21
07-14-06, 16:29
Royal,

My visa is being processed now (I hope). I sent them a printout of the itinerary I got from Expedia. I think this will work.

I knew what hotel I will be staying in Recife - so put that down. I don't know hotel in Rio - si I just put down "to be determined."

Just make sure you cross all the t's and dot the i's. They seem kinda picky.

Cheers.

Crypton, Best of luck with your visa.
Please keep us posted.

Which itinerary did you sent to the embassy - before paying for the ticket or after? (By before, I mean the detailed listing of flights that expedia shows. If that can work then i can apply for visa now and purchase the ticket later. I have a 3 week window that i want to go in but will not have the specific date till the last minute.)

Thanks.

Wanderer1000
07-14-06, 17:57
Yes, that was me talking to the masagista!

I´ll have to get the Eleven Minutes book when I get back to the States. I´ve been friends with a Brasileira that I met in B.A. three years ago (surprise, she got married to an American guy about a year ago, and things aren´t going to well. She had about four or five offers for marriage from Western guys in the three years of doing the business in Madahos in B.A.). I´ve encouraged her to write a book about "the other side" on many occasions. One of the things I recall her mentioning on many occasions is the volume and extent of lies that these girls tell the guys all the time. She´s a pretty decent lady, but of course, she´s got the game in her blood. But she was always surprised at the amount and degree of BS that these girls flung at the guys (especially the Westerners). She likes to write in her journal, so maybe someday I can talk her into writing about her world and what goes on.

The lady I befriended in a terma here was telling me that American guys are basically viewed as naive/dumb/suckers for the most part. One guy actually signed over something worth R$600,000 (this isn´t a misprint) to a girl, several have bought girls apartments here, many are sending money to the girls (and many times it is being given to the girls´ Brazilian boyfriends to live on. A lot of these girls are lesbians - not just bi-sexual. It´s hard for me to understand how I could have sex with a guy when I´m heterosexual - but many of these girls do the equivalent of it, and act the part, just because the money is so good, and their other options are so limited.

She told me that just before work got started that day, one of the girls asked her if she would help her fill out the paperwork for the visa to marry an American guy - she only speaks Portuguese, and he only speaks English. She only started to talk to me about this stuff because she saw me choosing the same girl on several occasions in a row and thought I was getting doped up. When I laughed and set her straight, we began to talk about a lot of this stuff. She made it clear that our conversation was not to be mentioned to any of the girls, and I only got her trust because we had talked about four or five times before - so, she remains anonymous.

Anyhow, women are dangerous in general, IMHO - you can never be too cautious.

Sunset Strip
07-14-06, 19:49
I think this woman friend of your SHOULD write a book or at least write some editorials in Brazilian newspapers telling everybody how dumb/naive Americans are. All I seem to be hearing in Rio is how Americans are taking advantage of Brazilians. I knew that was just BS aimed at making us feel sorry for them.

TJ

Quote by Jak
"The lady I befriended in a terma here was telling me that American guys are basically viewed as naive/dumb/suckers for the most part. One guy actually signed over something worth R$600,000 (this isn´t a misprint) to a girl, several have bought girls apartments here, many are sending money to the girls (and many times it is being given to the girls´ Brazilian boyfriends to live on. A lot of these girls are lesbians - not just bi-sexual. It´s hard for me to understand how I could have sex with a guy when I´m heterosexual - but many of these girls do the equivalent of it, and act the part, just because the money is so good, and their other options are so limited."

Crypton
07-14-06, 22:05
Crypton, Best of luck with your visa.
Please keep us posted.

Which itinerary did you sent to the embassy - before paying for the ticket or after? (By before, I mean the detailed listing of flights that expedia shows. If that can work then i can apply for visa now and purchase the ticket later. I have a 3 week window that i want to go in but will not have the specific date till the last minute.)

Thanks.

I sent one that said "Booked" on the itinerary after I purchased the ticket. If you look at the consulate website, you will see that they require a confirmed (or booked) ticket. You may well be forced to make a decision on the date before you apply. Varig has some good deals, by the way, on their website.

Cheers.

Wanderer1000
07-14-06, 23:51
I didn´t get the details on the R$600,000 story because she got on a roll and I didn´t want to stop her. I did have her verify the amount two times as my jaw was dropped and I had a shocked look on my face. She did say that he was an American guy that was living in Brazil - so I don´t know what it was about.

One of the stories that had a moment of shock on her face as she told it - it involves these girls that act like they love you and expect you to only be with them whenever you come to the terma. She said one girl with a regular American went hysterical in the TV room when he decided to play with another chick. She has tears poring out of her eyes, made a scene about how betrayed she felt because she loved him and thought he loved her. Anyhow, my lady friend goes into the backroom where the hysterical girl went, to kind of offer support and figure out what´s up. As the girl is wiping up her face in the mirror, my friend inquires about her feelings and this guy, and she responds with a nasty, " I don´t give a ---- about that ----. A few more similar comments follow, and she says point blank, "I just want his money". My friend paused with a dropped jaw just recalling this story.

It was pretty clear to me that she could have gone on with a lot more horror stories. One thing that I thought was important to pass on was something she must have mentioned at least three times. It basically came down to this - so many American guys are successful and smart in many ways, and America is a great and successful country - how can these guys be so stupid. She seemed to have a real problem making sense of this. I talked about American women, etc., and tried to give her some explanations that are commonly found in the American Women section. I also told her the one thing my Brazilian lady friend from B.A. said that American men seem to so often need - affection. Affection usually comes from these feminine latinas, and other developing country ladies - it´s part of their culture. When you come from a culture where so many of the women seem very masculine, well ... I think most American guys are ripe to lose their heads when they discover what´s out here.

Exec Talent
07-15-06, 00:29
If Bill Gates lost $2.5 million in his couch, it would be like most people losing 45 cents. Many millionaires I know spend their millions on planes, boats and helicopters. $600K wouldn't even show up as a note on their financial statements. Money is relative to the person who has it. I really doubt if the guy who spent $600K rushes to 4x4 to try to get a room before 5:00. My bet is he spends a lot more time enjoying life than those here worrying about how he spends his money.

The Corn Hole
07-15-06, 01:50
If Bill Gates lost $2.5 million in his couch, it would be like most people losing 45 cents. Many millionaires I know spend their millions on planes, boats and helicopters. $600K wouldn't even show up as a note on their financial statements. Money is relative to the person who has it. I really doubt if the guy who spent $600K rushes to 4x4 to try to get a room before 5:00. My bet is he spends a lot more time enjoying life than those here worrying about how he spends his money.I really doubt there are that many millionaires who frequent termas to begin with. To some termas may seem upscale but to someone with millions of dollars they would not regard them as high-end in the p4p arena. Termas girls are high milage and some have drug habbits, STD's and and come from the favelas. That's not exactly the lake I would picture a TRUE high roller to be fishing in for his daily catches. Even if he would I don't think he would be dropping that much money on any ho. Most millionaires don't get that way by throwing their money haphazardly around. Most are notoriously stingy with their sponsers and manage money well. After all if they weren't they wouldn't be rich in the first place. It's the medium income folk who are so wasteful with money and those are the types GDp's try to reel in.

In any case I think people should take to heart what Jak is saying and not be so quick to take him to task on it. After all that could and often does happen. Maybe not to the extent of dropping 600k on a single GDp but guys do get taken for a ride often.

Trippleecks
07-15-06, 14:56
Some of the people on this website, crack me up. You actually think the hookers love you, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.. They could not care less about you. "IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY". The sooner you learn that the happier you will be.

Euro100
07-15-06, 18:21
OK, sure, most of the gdp's are taking suckers for a ride. And, yes, there is truth to the line "once a hooker, always a hooker". But here are a few things to consider:

1. Occasionally it does work. A few guys have sent me PMs after I wrote up my experiences last year in Rio. A have actaully visited two of them, who have married former gdp's. And at least for them it has worked out real well ... at least so far.

2. My divorces have cost me more money each by a good bit than that guy signed over to the ho. And I was married to non-pros. But once the shit hit the fan they were pros at getting my money. So if that guy put in $300k to get a full year or two worth of professional sex, that does not seem to be such a bad deal in comparison.

3. Yes, "once a hooker, always a hooker". But what about "once a mongerer, always a mongerer"? What makes us think that we can just give up sampling other wares? It goes both ways.

But in the end it's all good. If you have money, spend it. We all leave this world with exactly the same amount of money.

euro

Kid Cisco
07-15-06, 19:10
OK, sure, most of the gdp's are taking suckers for a ride. And, yes, there is truth to the line "once a hooker, always a hooker". But here are a few things to consider:

1. Occasionally it does work. A few guys have sent me PMs after I wrote up my experiences last year in Rio. A have actaully visited two of them, who have married former gdp's. And at least for them it has worked out real well ... at least so far.

2. My divorces have cost me more money each by a good bit than that guy signed over to the ho. And I was married to non-pros. But once the shit hit the fan they were pros at getting my money. So if that guy put in $300k to get a full year or two worth of professional sex, that does not seem to be such a bad deal in comparison.

3. Yes, "once a hooker, always a hooker". But what about "once a mongerer, always a mongerer"? What makes us think that we can just give up sampling other wares? It goes both ways.

But in the end it's all good. If you have money, spend it. We all leave this world with exactly the same amount of money.

euroI strongly agree I also know a few guys that have marry "newbie/rookies" hookers that wasn't in the game for long and they have been lucky with their wives, I for one just couldn't take that chance there are just to many other ladies that haven't sold their asses to clowns for a few reals.

As far as spending $$$ even Donald Thump has a budget his is a lot more then ours BUT we all have to live within our means, if not guys will be like many I seen around the Copo that didn't have a budget and blew all of their $$ in the 1st few days and then end up asking for food and waiting for their planes to leave and they have another 6 days left on their trip lol

Kid Cisco

RonnyRon
07-15-06, 19:10
I agree. I say live and let live. I won't spend $R300.00 on the GDP for one night of pleasure, but if someone does it's really not my concern. I'm not rich, but I'm far from poor. Many guys have never scored with a beautiful woman in their life. Small wonder many fall for the GDPs. As stated here many guys go to Rio and lose all common sense and never return.They would like to, but circumstance simply don't permit them to return. Going to Rio is like being in the Matrix! Please don't unplug me. Personally I enjoy the way they treat me and quite simply I prefer Latin women. Be it real or imagined.

Exec Talent
07-15-06, 23:29
Spent a little time outside Help last night (Friday) and there certainly were plenty of girls to go around. While a few people went inside, many stayed put when the midnight bell rang. It was a beautiful night, about 65 degrees so unless you like smoke, no reason to go inside to hook up.

Stopped by L´uomo tonight and they have made some changes to their cost structure and payment methods.

Entrance is R$60, R$50 if you take 1 girl, R$30 if you take 2 and free if you take 3. Monday THROUGH Friday before 7:00 if you take 1 girl it is only R$25. On Saturday and Sunday you can pay everthing with your credit card. Before, the girl had to be paid either in cash or with a debit card. For a cabine (40 minutes), the fees are still R$60 for the room and R$140 for the girl.

Pipe Layer99
07-16-06, 00:25
It says right on the Visa application that you need a ticket. I cut this from the Visa website:

http://www.brasilemb.org/consulado/consular_visa_tourism.shtml

a photocopy of a round-trip ticket in one's name; or a signed letter on travel agency stationary, with confirmed round trip bookings; or, if traveling by land, a notarized bank letter concerning the balances in one's bank accounts, signed by the bank's manager, as proof of financial capacity to pay for one's stay in Brazil;

Have fun,

Donnie D

Full Throttle
07-16-06, 02:57
Some of the people on this website, crack me up. You actually think the hookers love you, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.. They could not care less about you. "IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY". The sooner you learn that the happier you will be.

In essence, you are right. BUT, I think some people take this stark viewpoint on P4P too far. The intimacy that you develop with the girl is important to a really good session. Constantly reminding yourself that she doesn't really think you're handsome, doesn't think you dance well, is not nearly as thrilled to be making out with you in public waiting for a vacant room and doesn't really think you're the funniest, sweetest gringo she's ever met is counter productive. Do that when you wake up in the morning. Better yet, check your emotions in at the airline counter on your way home. But, while you're there, believe every bit of it and enjoy it!!

I Luv Puss
07-16-06, 08:25
Wow! Giving ho money and apt. dang! that sounded really stupid. those chicks are after your money, plain and simple. like Snoop said, we don't luv 'em ho. If you really want GF/Wife, better stick with none pro and that won't cost you much!

Tokyo via AA
07-16-06, 13:45
Any advice on the escort services if one does not speak any Portuguese? The bubba guide only says "Ordering girls can be a bit of a problem if you can't speak Portuguese and do not know how to order thoroughly." Is it possible? Do any of them use e-mail instead of telephone?

The Corn Hole
07-16-06, 20:01
In essence, you are right. BUT, I think some people take this stark viewpoint on P4P too far. The intimacy that you develop with the girl is important to a really good session. Constantly reminding yourself that she doesn't really think you're handsome, doesn't think you dance well, is not nearly as thrilled to be making out with you in public waiting for a vacant room and doesn't really think you're the funniest, sweetest gringo she's ever met is counter productive. Do that when you wake up in the morning. Better yet, check your emotions in at the airline counter on your way home. But, while you're there, believe every bit of it and enjoy it!!Amen to that FT. But I think people here are referring to the guys who let the girls get inside their heads and mess them up emotionally. Why else would they do something so irrational as to buy a gdp an apartment unless they develop genuine feelings for her. You can develop intimacy with a garota without throwing your heart,mind and savings into it. The girls are acting the part but there's no reason why we can't act the part as well.

Like someone said before- just play the game.

Euro100
07-17-06, 12:48
Any advice on the escort services if one does not speak any Portuguese? The bubba guide only says "Ordering girls can be a bit of a problem if you can't speak Portuguese and do not know how to order thoroughly." Is it possible? Do any of them use e-mail instead of telephone?

It is my experience tha tmany of the gdps use email. But that does not help, because even if they speak a little English, they canno tread it. And automatic tranlation engines on the web have a long way to go before they can be considered to be working fine.

euro

Euro100
07-17-06, 12:54
In essence, you are right. BUT, I think some people take this stark viewpoint on P4P too far. The intimacy that you develop with the girl is important to a really good session. Constantly reminding yourself that she doesn't really think you're handsome, doesn't think you dance well, is not nearly as thrilled to be making out with you in public waiting for a vacant room and doesn't really think you're the funniest, sweetest gringo she's ever met is counter productive. Do that when you wake up in the morning. Better yet, check your emotions in at the airline counter on your way home. But, while you're there, believe every bit of it and enjoy it!!

FT,

I couldn't agree more with you. It's the whole setup with all of the (most likely faked, but who cares) emotions that makes it worth the money. If one wants to analyze everything with the "gdps do it all only fo the money" angle, then one might as well resort to watching porn on the telly and wanking, as one of my English buddies puts it so elegantly.

Oh, and by the way, the same principle works everywhere. None of us really believes that all of these attractive blondes really hang out at the Playboy mansion because they are so atracted to Heffner's dick.

So enojy the ride, believe all the lies, live the dream ... and then on the flight back you can do all the analysis that you want. FT has got it exactly right!

euro

Exec Talent
07-17-06, 16:23
Rastaman,

I have responded to your post under General Information. I am going to do my part, and suggest others do too, to keep this thread on the topic of reporting onsite Rio activitiy.

Superion
07-17-06, 18:19
Are you resentful because Afr-Am guyz are rollin' thru Rio???Rastaman,

I don't think that anyone is stating that they don't like black American dudes strollin through.

Since, I've been going to Rio, there have always been black American guys there. The difference is that most of the black guys that were going there when I was a newbie were mostly middle aged prefessionals or decently paid blue collar guys(i.e. police officers/factory workers) and the occasional frat group who went down there to mellow out and have a good time. No problem.

Snoop filmed his video there in early 2003, and then came the influx of the hoppers(young boys under 30 etc.), trying to act thugged out etc. and basically being very buffoonish, nonetheless these attitudes kinda rubbed off on the garotas(who were already ghetto enough as it is). When I started seeing garotas calling each other "bitches" like American black ghetto girls do, then I knew that the shit(scene) is becoming too Americanized down there.

For myself personally, I'm cool with it though because Brazil is more than Rio and Rio is more than just Copacabana, and I have no problem meeting other garotas who have nothing to do with the Copa gringo gulch scene.

Concerning getting played by the garotas down there. I've just had to school a couple of brothas on that. These fools were sending these *****s hundreds of dollars a month. I promptly informed them that one cannot pay a hooker to be his girlfriend, nor pay her NOT to work. If you wanna send a girl money then at least let it be a non-pro(if even most of them can't be trusted not to cheat, this IS Brazil).

CaptainNemo
07-17-06, 20:39
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson

Double
07-17-06, 20:47
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson

Double
07-17-06, 20:51
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson

Crypton
07-17-06, 22:34
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson

Craftyone
07-18-06, 01:02
Spent a little time outside Help last night (Friday) and there certainly were plenty of girls to go around. While a few people went inside, many stayed put when the midnight bell rang. It was a beautiful night, about 65 degrees so unless you like smoke, no reason to go inside to hook up.

Stopped by L´uomo tonight and they have made some changes to their cost structure and payment methods.

Entrance is R$60, R$50 if you take 1 girl, R$30 if you take 2 and free if you take 3. Monday and Friday if you take 1 girl it is only R$25. On Saturday and Sunday you can pay everthing with your credit card. Before, the girl had to be paid either in cash or with a debit card. For a cabine (40 minutes), the fees are still R$60 for the room and R$140 for the girl.Is it just me or was this like the last legitimate post concerning P4P? The last couple of pages seem to read like a script from Oprah or Springer. I think the slow season has had an adverse effect on the membrane of a few. I say I say ol' boy "Nobody gives a fukking flying burrito about hippidy hops, redneck props, pampering ho's, or Visa wooh's on this board"!

Ahhhh Hmmm, now.....concerning Friday night. It was a slow but eventful evening and I too breathed the cool air amongst the Help brethren. I kept my eye on a lil straight haired blonde number named Ana that perched outside and received a lengthy BBBJ across the block in my bud's car for just under R$40. Was a little cautious due to her fugly friends trailing her, but nonetheless had to get jump started due to the boredom. My friends showed up later and talked her into going to Barra...needless to say, while we were trailing them, I was laughing my ass off watching her work the boys, knowing I had just deposited a lil change in her open account. So we hit the 400 club and caught up with a crowd that aluded to some new young chics working in Recreio....not enough to discuss about 400..very bleak for a friday. With the clock ticking, I, with my band of drunk mongers, proceded across the way to the Whiskey Club...Recreio that is... I have to admit for a Friday night it was busy with a decent ratio of 4 or 5 to 1. Tati, a fine lil tight mulatto, gave me THE full service and would not let me outta the damn suite!!! I brought her back to Barra and we played laser tag with the street girls from my balcony and then got shiitfaced across the street at a kiosk. R$300 later, including my fees at Whiskey, I sent her home around noon Saturday and put my ass to bed.

Thank you JC for the dark cherry that I so rightfully parted and received! The End.

Fats
07-18-06, 11:55
Summary of second ever trip to Rio.

Arrival: International arrivals go to GIG, Galeao International Airport. Immigration was fast and customs virtually invisible. The arrivals lounge is a zoo however. After a long flight, be prepared to be badgered by countless taxi drivers, money changers, and “charities”. The money changers were offering 0.60 Real higher than the bank rates. If I had any counterfeit Dollars, I would have gladly exchanged them for their most likely fresh off the laser printer Reals. Anyone who has seen the woman dressed like nurses soliciting money at LAX will recognize their colleagues in Rio. A trip to the city will range from 5 R for the bus to about ten times that for a cab.

Day 1:

The overnight flight arrived early in the morning and the ride to the city took about 40 minutes during rush hour . I didn’t have hotel reservations so I went to an Internet café and booked a room. It was well before check in time and I had just made the reservations, so I had some time to kill or more accurately, time to fuck. I bought a phone card from one of the newspaper stands and called Layla Venturinni (9807-4917). She answered personally and speaks English so don’t worry about language problems. Her apartment is on the 11th floor of an apartment building very close to Cardeal Arcoverde Metro station. Between the time I called and was knocking on her door was only about twenty minutes. She greeted me with a kiss and was wearing lingerie. She brought me into her bedroom and asked if I liked to kiss. Since we had just kissed at the door, I found this question a little strange, but it turns out the “kiss” at the door was just a peck compared to what happened after I said yes. Be prepared to have your tonsils polished. After a good 5 minutes of groping and sloppy kissing, she gave me a towel a showed me the shower. What I thought was the main event was actually just the warm up. After the shower, she was waiting for me on the bed. As soon as she could reach it, she pulled off the towel and began the deepest deep throat I have ever had. She was able to lick my balls while sucking away. She would bring me just to the point of no return and then slow down. Over and over. Her goal is my enjoyment, not getting me off and getting me out as fast as possible. She pulled out a condom and asked if it was OK. Was she asking whether she should keep giving the BBBJ or was she offering BBFS? I really wasn’t sure and wasn’t about to find out. I told her it was fine and she put on the condom and hopped on cow girl. Actually, it was more like jack hammer girl. Her legs are pure muscle. It would be nice to think this comes from going to the gym, but I would guess it is from bouncing off numerous cocks a day. We tried various positions until I was on top of her about to enter her missionary when she pulled her legs up by her head and asked if I would like to fuck her in the ass. Trying to be a gentleman, I of course agreed to the lady’s request. A little KY kept things moving smoothly. Her ass was actually rather tight and I didn’t last long. She playfully seemed a little disappointed and told me next time I should cum in her mouth. The next time I am anywhere near Zona Sul, I will give her a call. Total cost 150 Reals.


After Layla and the red eye flight, I needed to sleep. The hotel was on the beach and not far away so I decided to walk. I walked down to Atlantico and turned right. The surf was pounding the storm walls and actually pouring over into the street at some points. The last time I was there was during a different season of the year and the surf was far from the street. At some points there was virtually no beach. As I walked along another thing stuck me as strange. Where is everyone? I had walked two blocks and hadn’t seen anyone. I was having a twilight zone moment. I just couldn’t believe it. I looked around and sure enough there was no one around except for me and that black guy who seemed to come out of no where and was now walking straight for me. OH SHIT! From reading other peoples experiences, I was now fully expecting him and three or four other guys to surround me, take what they want and disappear as fast as they showed up. Except no one else shows up. It is just him and me and as he gets closer and I get a good look at him I realize this guy is about as threatening as Captain Kangaroo. He gives me his business card. Apartments for rent. He followed me for three blocks trying to get me to rent an apartment and only gave up when it started raining. I walked down to Rua Siqueira Campos which was right by my hotel. The rain was really coming down now so I stopped under an awning. It was at a travel agents office. The next thing I know, a travel agent is giving me her business card and brochures for various tours of the city. This really is the slow season.

I check in and want to take a nap and then go to 4X4 in Centro. I was debating whether to set the alarm or just sleep until I wake up on my own. Since 4X4 is closed on the weekends, I didn’t want to miss an opportunity to go there as it was my favorite place from my first trip. As I was soon to find out, things can really change in a year. I took a shower and felt much better so I just set off for 4X4 and skipped the nap. 4X4 is on Rua Buenos Aires, number 44. Take the metro to Uruguaiana Station. The first time I was there was on a Friday last year. I was walking down Rio Branco towards Buenos Aires. Since I wasn’t sure of the way, I was moving rather slowly consulting a map, when Halle Berry walked by. A Brazilian Halle Berry. This woman was an absolute goddess. I followed behind her for a block and then she turned off to the left. If 4X4 has woman half as nice as her, I’ll be a happy man. I looked around for the street signs and this was Buenos Aires so I can ogle Halle Berry for a little longer. She walked down a ways and then turned left into a building. I had paid enough attention to the building numbers to know that I was walking in the right direction to get to 44 but spent most of the time mesmerized by her beauty. Now that I was paying attention to where I was going I realized I had walked past 44. It was behind me, it was where my dream girl had gone. My Halle Berry works at 4X4! She spent that whole night with one guy but I got her the second she entered the boite the following Monday. Her personality was as beautiful as the rest of her. She and the several other woman I had at 4X4 in 2005 brought me back with high expectations. They were to be shattered.

I have a very good memory for faces. Names no, faces yes. I entered 4X4 and immediately recognized the crew behind the counter. The Asian girl and the tall thin girl and the shorter girl. The older Black woman in the locker room was the same. Recognized the bartenders. Basically recognized everyone except not a single girl. The turnover for the girls was damn near 100% and not for the better. There is a thin line between bunda and fat ass. It has been crossed at 4X4. It wasn’t just their looks but many of the woman present just seemed to have been ridden long and hard. They were beyond jaded. Since the woman present weren’t doing it for me, I decided to go through the “bat cave” to order some food. After dinner, there were some new faces but nothing really that interesting. The jet lag was really starting to kick in so I just left, I’d rather get some sleep than get some ass at 4X4.

Day 2:

After a good nights sleep, I start to question my judgment about 4X4 from the day before. It couldn’t have been that bad, could it? I was probably just a lot more tired than I thought. I decided to see what it was like with a clear head. This time I decided to get there close to opening and sit by the front desk. For the first 90 minutes, the girls streamed in and out and I got a good idea of the caliber of ladies present. My judgement from the day before had been wrong. I had been much to generous. The boite is rather dark, but by the front desk the lighting is rather bright. Several of the girls had rather funny acne. It only seemed to run in straight lines and branch out like veins. Anyone for some heroin with a side of HIV? One girl had scars on her stomach from what had to be a knife fight. These girls were a small number of the total present but enough to give one pause. Does this place have any standards? It was now about half past four so I decided to grab a girl before five to save the entrance fee and then head to L’uomo. The girl I choose was Larisa. I had seen her the day before and she seemed OK which was the only way to describe her. Everything was OK, not bad, not good, just OK. She has freckles on her chest and light brown hair. When we went to the desk on the second floor, she was trying to get me to take the Sultan’s Suite for R350. For me, the first time with a girl is always a 40 minute trial. You can always extend the time or take her to a suite the next time. If she deserves/earns it. She didn’t.

After a quick Metro ride to Siqueiro Campos, I found myself at the front desk of L’uomo. They asked me if I had been there before and if so, when. Turns out their payment plan has changed a bit. On weekdays there is a discount before 7 PM and on weekends you can pay for everything with a credit card, and the entrance fee varies for how many woman you have, blah, blah, blah. Just give me the key! I changed, took a shower, went to the bar for a drink and then went to check out the buffet. Exec Talent, my baseball cap was on firmly straight as I appraised the slop on offer. Maybe later. The TV had a show in English so I sat down to relax with my drink. Where I am sitting, the TV is to my left. There is a table next to me, then another chair, a walkway and then the TV. A girl sits down in the chair blocking my view. She pushes the table from between us. She slides her chair next to mine. Suzy has just decided that she is my girlfriend.

She introduces herself and speaks almost enough English to have a conversation. She is from Northern Brazil. She puts great emphasis on this as if I know what the connotation is. I was only in the boite for a minute while getting my drink and though I hadn’t been in L’uomo long, I had Larisa at 4X4 not that long ago so I just wanted to relax for a while before seeing all the girls in the boite. I told Suzy as much and she said I should take one of the lawn chairs to relax in. The lawn chairs were set up against the far wall pointed towards the TV. So I move over to the lawn chair and boom, Suzy is lying on top of me kissing me. This girl has a strange idea of how to relax. As it turns out, she is really good at what she doing. I can relax later. I tell her to get a room for 40 minutes and she goes to change. The girls at L’uomo have a uniform of sorts. They all wear a white bikini with the Brazilian flag wrapped around the bikini. When she returned she was wearing a black wrap which could be removed in a flash. Once in the room, she was even better than before. Usually, if the girl is different, it’s for the worse. We tried various positions and then I was about to try doggy when she reaches for her bag and pulls out a tube of KY. Completely unsolicited, she wants it in the ass. You gotta love Rio! The rooms have many mirrors so I was able to see her ear to ear smile as I was pounding her ass. Every so often she would turn around and touch her lip and say she wants me to cum in her mouth. This girl was almost as good as Layla and some 15 years younger. The old cliche that time flies when your having fun is certainly true, the phone rings, it has been 40 minutes. I pick up the pace, cum in her ass, and we’re off to the showers.

After the shower I go to the boite for a drink and have a seat. This is the first chance I’ve had to really check out the talent and it is outstanding. There are about 20 girls. Every single one of them is at the worst pretty. Many are gorgeous. It’s worth going there just to see them dance. Suzy comes back from her shower. She sits down next to me and starts kissing me. And kissing me and kissing me. I would have thought she would be trying to find her next conquest for the night until I noticed there were only three other men, on this, a Friday night. They are on the high side price wise and this is costing them business. At one point, one of the woman caught my eye. She was perfect. She was so perfect, I was trying to find a flaw, any flaw. Suzy notices me looking over this girl and asks if I would like to try a brunette. Suzy is blonde, the girl I was looking at was a brunette. The people who claim Brazilian woman are becoming more like American woman have never been to L’uomo.


Day3:

Food Poisoning

Day4:

Food Poisoning

Day5:

Feeling somewhat better, took the train to Corcovado and did a few other tourist sites, headed for the airport.



Aftermath:

During my first trip to Rio, I felt fine while I was there, but horrible when I came home. Strep throat and a respiratory infection which took several courses of antibiotics and over a month to clear.

Second trip, just something in the food or water. No long term problems.

Crypton
07-18-06, 15:55
Nice report, Fats. Don't you hate it when you get sick on a mongering trip? On my recent trip to Indonesia, I also caught some nasty throat infection. But fortunately, it was the last day I was there. I still have remnants of it (after 2 weeks) but it is dying (I hope).

I will be in Rio in about 3 weeks and your report is helpful. Once I survive the gauntlet at at the aiprort, where do I go to catch the real bus to Copa?

Here's Layla's pics: http://www.hotside.com.br/layla.htm

Cheers.

RexG
07-19-06, 04:12
Summary of second ever trip to Rio.

Day3:

Food Poisoning

Day4:

Food Poisoning


After having no problems in four trips to SP & Rio, I too acquired a rather nasty E. Coli infection two days prior to returning home from my fifth trip. At its worst, I was exploding from both ends at the same time. (Which end are you supposed to aim at the toilet?) Apparently I had become a little too complacent about what I ate/drank. I endured a miserable pair of flights home and promptly visited my doctor. He gave me an antibiotic that knocked the infection down in a few hours. Next time I go to Brazil, I'll call my doctor beforehand and he'll give me some antibiotic samples just in case. Time is precious in Rio, and it's painful to lose a couple of days.

Thanks for a great trip report.

Rex

Craftyone
07-20-06, 00:03
Glad to see that you had a good time there.

Frankly your report breaks no new ground, and it's obvious that you don't mind overpaying. Most of the reports on here are in fact quite repetitive, so please remember this when you decide to criticize other mongers on what they decide to talk about.

CheersLike I said, must be the slow season. Some obviously cannot distinguish jesting from criticizing.

Although, I find it quite interesting that you make mention of my unsympathetic thinking of other posts, I research the last posts you've submitted just in the month of June, within West Africa and DR forums, and see that you DO NOT practice what you preach.

At any rate, the majority of my post's contain information pertaining to the pursuit of P4P and tangible information regarding the same. I emplore you to use this site as a "sex guide" (i.e. www.internationalsexguide) and not a medium for your own "repetitive" reporting. C1 2B1

Full Throttle
07-20-06, 06:11
I knew it would be a rough two days. Ibiza is leaving for a month interrupting our weekly explorations, and we had two weekdays to explore more of downtown compared to our common situation where we have one weekday downtown and one weekend day in Copa.

Day 1 started around 2pm. After a beer or two in Copa to decide where to have have a beer or two downtown, Ibiza, another buddy and I commandeered a taxi. I departed happier than ever that we usually take the Metro. More girls to look at, cheaper and just as fast.

As usual, we looked and lurked around town, admiring architecture organic and inorganic alike. Our most notable stop was at Termas 65, which is on Rua do Rosario 65. That is the next parallel street to Buenos Aires where 4X4 is located. It seems to be a hybrid between the nice termas inCopa and 4X4. The front desk clerk told us that 60 girls were available in the afternoon with 80+ on staff later. That compares favorably to the Copa Termas (25-35 girls), but less than 4x4 (100+). Price was 235R all-in, as best as I can remember. That compares to 180R at 4x4 and 250R at Solarium/MC/Luomos.

We also stopped by R. do Miguel 105 apt. 611. Of the massage places toured to date, probably the lowest quality facility, but Ibiza has a serious favorite he may have already shared with you. Standard pricing: 80R/hour, all-in.

Since my buddy had never been robing, and none of us had ever been to Cancun as customers, we decided to try. I have the address saved in an audio file somewhere, and I had a flier just minutes ago. BUT, I can’t find it right now. Figures. Turn on Buenos Aires from Rio Branco heading towards the water. Take the second little street on the right. You’ll go through/by a gated courtyard, then you’ll see the terma on the left.

Price 30 entrada, then 150R/40 minutes or 170R/60 mintes (that’s 13.3% more money for 50% more time). Currently, they have a promotion where 6 beers are included with the 30R entrance, or you can have the 30R entrance waived if you take a girl by 5PM.

There were roughly 12 girls when we arrived around 3:45PM and as many as 20 upon our departure at 8:00PM. Of those, 3 beauties, the majority doable, and a few ordinary. Again, keep in mind it’s Monday.

Ibiza took one of the beauties. Apparently a so-so event.

I was hooked up with another. Manufactured blond, 21 years old, no children, non-smoker, adorable, girl-next-door smile. Natural C’s, probably 5’4”, 115lbs. Despite her beauty, I was skeptical about a session. I was ready to move on when I decided to try one more tact. I told her directly and through her Spanish-speaking friend that I liked her, but I didn’t think she liked me. I said that it wasn’t a problem, but I thought she should leave me to find someone she liked. She was shocked. All of a sudden, she changed. There was groping and enthusiastic kissing.

Before going to the room, I used my recently successful line that explains how anyone can have sex. That’s easy. It takes someone outstanding to have a full session doing everything else. That’s when I introduce the concept of oral sex without a condom among other things. She was complicit and seemed quite excited.

I can’t believe I almost passed on the experience with her. She was simply unbelievable. She consumed every part of my body from my toes to my ears. Toe sucking, salad tossing, ball washing, deep French kissing…

She said she’s only been at Cancun for 2 weeks and that she is brand new to the business. I’m not sure I believe either, but I couldn’t care less. I think she is fantastic, and I am one jaded mo-fo monger. If there was ever a girl I wanted to keep to myself it would be her. But, that doesn’t make sense, being that she is a hooker and wants more business for being good not less. So, she goes by Fabiana. I do have a dim picture or two. If you want them, PM. If you see her, PLEASE get her phone number for me. She was supposedly going to get one on Tuesday.

So, after spending 203R for 5 hours of fun, 6 drinks for me and a couple for the girls, and a full hour session, we went back to the hotel to prepare for Help.

After contemplation, we decided to go inside. The Veranda was a bit dead, and Luciana from previous weeks already had her claws stuck in my side. Ultimately, there were around 100 girls inside. Less than 5 beauties, many fairly attractive, and 30-50% not worth the time or effort. It turned out escaping from Luciana did not work, as she made a rare appearance inside.

I spoke to the prettiest girl in club. She had a smile that combined the best of Meg Ryan’s “girl next door,” and the “cat that ate the canary” look Demi Moore perfected (I’m dating myself, aren’t I?). I was encouraged that she started at 300R. I didn’t counter because I was still swimming in Fabiana’s afterglow, Luciana would have been pissed, I’d already spent a lot of money, and Luciana goes with me for a ridiculous price. So, I took her home.

At noon, after 4 hours of sleep, I decided to leave Luciana in the room and go back downtown. I know that’s stupid, but it was a judgment call that worked out fine.

This time, Ibiza and I went to the place he alluded to last week where they offer 80R/hour, or 100R for 2 girls/40 minutes. After evaluating our choices, we realized that there were 4 of them and two of us. Let’s just do ‘em all!

Another FANTASTIC decision. They closed the office and we had a party for the next hour. All four girls paraded around naked, and cycled from Ibiza’s impossibly hot and stuffy room to my perfect, 72 degree environment. My girls, Carol and Karina, gave each other just the right attention and never forgot to concentrate on me. It was sexy, sweet, nasty and emotionally intense. All that for $45U.S.

So, four girls over two days plus some collateral groping. Including all conjugal activities, transportation, food and many beers, I think I spent 500R. More than normal, but a helluva lot of fun for the money.

Taking a Rio break for a week, as I’m off to Sao Paulo to troll for gangsters for a couple of days. I wonder if the problems have had an impact on prices?

FT

Exec Talent
07-20-06, 13:44
Made another visit to L'uomo to introduce some Rio first timers to a well run Rio business.

I think L'uomo is a great place for guys who come to Rio for the first time and always recommend it as a good starting point for social activities. Here are some of the reasons:
• there is no paying up front.
• all the charges are explained very clearly in English. Any time anyone has questions they can always go to the front and be assured that someone can help them in English.
• the locker (change) room attendants are helpful and never pushy
• the girls never pressure you and most truly are nice girls whom you could bring home to mom. No biker chicks or hard core street girls like I saw at 4x4.
• there is a relax room where you really can relax and chill out.
• if you would like to get a drink and check out the girls the service at the bar is excellent and the bartenders never hound you for tips
• the hot showers on the left side of the shower room are awesome and the sauna always hot
• Everything is clean
• Dinner at 7:30

Ibiza007
07-21-06, 03:13
To continue the saga.... Our adventure to Centro the first day included a new all you can eat italian place, I think it was R$9.00 each or something and we all left full.

At Cancun, I owe one to Full Throttle for letting me take the tall blonde, I think her name was Cleo, or something, She was very pretty, but very average, not bad, but not memorable either.

And I can only tell you how much FT raved about his new blonde friend. So, she must be good...

As he said, at our new favorite hangout, about 3 doors down from a Dentist, a Lawyer and Judge, is the house of pleasure, Just walk in , tell them to lock the door, as all girls are officially occupied.

I was totally worn out, I had one of FT friends drop in for a triple lollipop parade! Then she went back to his suite.
I can say we both were ear to ear grinning when we left...

Thursday - I went back to 105 - 611 Outro today and saw Ana Clara, OK, I recommend her again, she loves her work... $R80 hr, $120 -90 min- my selected option, leaves time for a good 30 min massage in the middle. I am officially tired as I have been banging the drum pretty hard for the past two weeks, but as I am going back to the states for August, I am not wasting any time. I got my Visa extended today for another YEAR, good till Aug of 2007, then another 6 months of tourist on top of that , so the total will be 2.5 years in Brasil,

IBZ

Bubba Boy
07-21-06, 03:28
Just out of interest, what type of visa was that? I am always wanting to stay longer than the current 6 months per year I stay in Brasil.

Truant
07-21-06, 15:18
[QUOTE=Fats]Fats wrote: Suzy has just decided that she is my girlfriend.

She introduces herself and speaks almost enough English to have a conversation. She is from Northern Brazil. She puts great emphasis on this as if I know what the connotation is. I was only in the boite for a minute while getting my drink and though I hadn’t been in L’uomo long, I had Larisa at 4X4 not that long ago so I just wanted to relax for a while before seeing all the girls in the boite. I told Suzy as much and she said I should take one of the lawn chairs to relax in. The lawn chairs were set up against the far wall pointed towards the TV. So I move over to the lawn chair and boom, Suzy is lying on top of me kissing me. This girl has a strange idea of how to relax. As it turns out, she is really good at what she doing. I can relax later. I tell her to get a room for 40 minutes and she goes to change. The girls at L’uomo have a uniform of sorts. They all wear a white bikini with the Brazilian flag wrapped around the bikini. When she returned she was wearing a black wrap which could be removed in a flash. Once in the room, she was even better than before. Usually, if the girl is different, it’s for the worse. We tried various positions and then I was about to try doggy when she reaches for her bag and pulls out a tube of KY. Completely unsolicited, she wants it in the ass. You gotta love Rio! The rooms have many mirrors so I was able to see her ear to ear smile as I was pounding her ass. Every so often she would turn around and touch her lip and say she wants me to cum in her mouth. This girl was almost as good as Layla and some 15 years younger. The old cliche that time flies when your having fun is certainly true, the phone rings, it has been 40 minutes. I pick up the pace, cum in her ass, and we’re off to the showers. End quote.

Suzy was one of my all time favorites, as I described in this report:

http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=445815#post445815


However, sadly, due to her fighting with another girl while working at L'uomo, has been fired. She says she tried to get a job at Monte Carlo and Solarium and Centaurus, but apparantly has been blacklisted and cannot work in Zona Sul any more. She doesn't want to work in centro or Help, so she intends to go to Spain next month with her cousin. If I find out where in Spain, I will let all you lucky mongers in Spain know where exactly. She truly is a gem.
Truant

El Austriaco
07-22-06, 01:55
During the summer of 2004, I befriended a fellow monger in Meia Pataca, during my accidental three-and-a-half months stay in Rio (not that I was necessarily very unhappy about that). He was sitting at the table next to mine, so we just started talking. I very vividly remember one of the first thing he ever told me… “Don’t you just love this place? I feel like such a playboy here, the girls just love me. I am an accidental playboy here”.

He told me many things about his life, his business, his high public profile, his many TV appearances, the second house he had just bought. His life sounded almost too good to be true. Normally, I would have brushed it off as mere boasting. The P4P scene is like show business to me, with lots of good and bad acting alike, and I take everything I hear with a grain of salt or two, monger’s stories included. But I believed him. Maybe I just liked him.

He also told me his real name, like he told everyone else. I couldn’t believe he would do that, but anyhow. It took me 2 seconds to find his webpage on the Internet.

I will call him monger X.

X had a girlfriend, who I will call A. A was not the only girl, of course not, just the main girl. One day, when A left to take care of something, he was eager to assure me, “You know, she is a regular girl, not a garota like all the other chicks here. A friend introduced me to her. She is a regular college girl. As a matter of fact, she´s never even been to Meia Pataca before the day she went to meet me.” When I asked him where he had met this friend of hers, he said “In front of Help. Why?” I remember telling him many times, “You know, she´s no student. If she even knows where Meia Pataca is, she is a hooker, plain and simple.” He wouldn’t listen, of course, and deep inside of me, I was hoping I was actually wrong. There was just something too cheerful about his childlike naiveté. Once he told me, “Why shouldn’t I spend a hundred bucks or more to spend the night with one of these girls? Where I live, just getting a date with a semigood-looking girl will cost me more than that!” I wouldn’t have faulted him for his logic if we had actually had that conversation in New York City, Paris, or Berlin. But I would ask myself why he would wine and dine Help girls and pay them 500 Reais to spend the night with him and somehow wonder why they wouldn´t want to leave the next morning. According to X, this was proof that the girls just liked him, how he treated them, because he was such a great guy. An undiscovered playboy elsewhere that, by sheer accident, had finally run into chores of women that appreciated his charm. An accidental playboy. That’s what made Rio so special.

But anyhow. I grew fond of the guy despite his somewhat skewed views of Rio, or maybe because of them. Like other more experienced mongers that showed me the ropes, I must have felt the need to take him under my wings. Perhaps it was just my way of giving back, to protect a partner in crime. Maybe it was just that he was such a likeable character. He was generous without showing off his money, charismatic without being cocky, elegant without being pompous, friendly without being overbearing. Just the perfect nice guy that nobody likes to see get hurt.

Garota A always came in tandem with her best friend, who I shall call B. B took a great interest in me, incessantly peppering me with messages at my hotel for some weeks. Although she was pretty and friendly, I was very reluctant. At the time I got to know the whole cast of this real-life telenovela (X, A, and B), I was already sick of hardcore Copa hookers and their mind games, although I didn´t mind hanging out at their usual joints, if maybe only because I knew so many girls and a good cast of mongers, too. X used to ask me, “Why? She is gorgeous, sexy, and she likes you!” “No, she doesn’t”, I would reply. “Why not?”, X insisted. I told him, “Because she simply doesn’t like me. The only reason she wants to stay with me is because I hang out with you, and she is thinking that I am going to do the same thing you do: pay 500 Reais to spend the night with her.”

X would dismiss me for being overly negative about people, of course. One time, with A not around, X was horny and wanted to take B to a love motel for a short-term session. I told him, “Just don’t pay her 300 Reais or something ridiculous like that. Because she WILL ask for it!” But why not, she was so hot and pretty and young and whatever not, and that’s what these girls were charging, right? I told him “Let me prove it to you.” I told X to leave me alone with B for a minute and started negotiating, in plain Portuguese. I told her that I don't monger in Copacabana anymore because of the high rates, that I knew about Centro, the fastfoda places, the whole spiel, so she shouldn't give me any BS gringo rates. When I told her I was going to pay her no more than R$ 100, she readily accepted. I then told her that I wasn’t going to take her today, but X might, and that I would tell him about the pricing. Five minutes later, she took off with X (and the R$ 10.00 tip I’d given her, for her time). When X came back some time later, I asked him how much he paid. He said he gave her R$ 150.00… because she was such a nice girl.

BTW, this was the very last time I ever heard from B again. Suddenly, the daily phone calls at my hotel miraculously stopped.

I don’t call these girls A or B by accident, actually. X had his girls neatly divided up in two teams: the A team and the B team, first and second-choice material. Needless to say, A was the top garota of the A team, the accidental GF, the Help virgin, the R$ 500 per night non-hooker in his eyes. In other words, the perfect companion for the accidental Rio playboy.

But as sure as a bad hangover after mixing caipirinhas with choppe, trouble was brewing in paradise.

As I would find out little later, one day, X, in the company of A, spent some time sitting in Terraço Atlântico with some mongering acquaintances. Garota A had to leave early, again… for “computer class”. Once she left, one of the guys, a Rio resident, kept mentioning that he thought he knew her from somewhere. At X’s insistence, he told him that he thought he had seen her on a porn DVD he had recently bought. X was stunned, but refused to believe it, and that's when the guy offered X to check it out. The next day, they went to his place.

That day, I ran into X at MP just minutes after he came back from watching the tape. He hardly talked at all, staring into the void. Finally, he just said “EA, you can’t imagine how sad she looked, getting gang-banged by three huge black guys. How can they do something like that, to someone as sweet as her?” If the situation hadn’t been as sad as it was, I probably would have lost it right there and then, but I managed to get a hold of myself. I really didn´t know what to say or do. You could almost see the flashbacks flickering in his eyes.

Over the hours, several guys we knew joined us, and together, we tried any which way to cheer him up a bit, but to no avail. More than anything, we all felt genuinely sorry for the poor guy and his ordeal. Finally, someone mentioned that we should take him to a terma to get some more positive images into his brain, and since he seemed somewhat responsive to the idea, off we went to Monte Carlo, for lack of a better idea.

Needless to say, more P4P bundas also failed to lift his spirit. In the end, he left with one guy, I don’t know where to.

I think I saw him a couple of days later, shuffling along the calçadão in Copacapana, with his head down, totally dejected. I have never heard from X ever since.

XXX

I am not writing this as my personal version of “I told you so!”, or to judge or embarrass another monger, no. I am writing this as a reminder to everyone that even highly intelligent, rational, successful men that act 100% normal in all other aspects of life can lose their cool in Rio… to say nothing of their money or their heart. Face it, guys: the first time you went to Rio, were you not just totally blown away by the sheer beauty of it, the girls, the sex, life under the sun? Didn’t you become intoxicated with the joy of the people, the allure of its women, the carnality of it all? Didn´t you just wish that this feeling could last forever? Didn’t you wish, maybe just once, that your girl was the one diamond in the rough, the hooker with the golden heart… the one of which you never wanted to think that she was the one that got away?

Truth be told, Rio is some heady stuff even for very stable types. X had been to Rio before, and he spoke some Portuguese (although worse than he himself believed), and as such, he was better prepared than most. By all accounts, he was a successful, intelligent guy perfectly in control of his life and his emotions. By all accounts but his Rio account.

Before somebody says “This could never happen to me”, let me remind everyone that overconfidence is a dangerous thing when you are on the prey on the pista. Be careful. We all have our weaknesses… and for everyone of us, there is a garota out there who just specializes in exploiting just that particular weakness. As such, experienced mongers and Rio connoisseurs might be at a special risk as they become too complacent, thinking that they know and have seen it all. Nobody ever does. There is a high price tag on complacency in Rio.

When I remind “everyone”, I am also reminding myself. Over the years, I have committed some incredibly stupid things when mongering, likely every single one in the big book of P4P no-no’s. Until, and only until I commit more of them, or the same ones again, I like to believe that I have learned a bit, through my own mistakes as well as those of others. Still, I would not exclude the possibility that it could happen to me. That´s why I need to remind myself, too.

In other words, I am no authority to judge the guy who allegedly spent R$ 600,000 to buy his hooker girl an apartment in Rio. I say allegedly because I have no first-hand knowledge of this, and in Rio, urban myths tend to overlap the truth in such a manner that the two become virtually undistinguishable. If he really did, I hope that it was really just pocket change for him… and not his life’s savings. Because of all the stories I have heard from GDPs on the orla, there is only one I believe without reservations: the story about the many guys that ended up going to Rio in search of sex in the sun and came back broke (or broken).

They call it P4P for a reason. Think about every single word of it, because every single one is important to understand what the game is about: Pay for Play.

EA

Helpmann
07-22-06, 03:10
They call it P4P for a reason. Think about every single word of it, because every single one is important to understand what the game is about: Pay for Play.

EA
I like Rio, but I thank God I didn't start my adventures there. There's too much temptation and accessibility (things come to easy) and due to the distance and language (Portuguese) there really is NOT enough quality American mongering support in Rio.

-Helpmann :)

Almotu
07-22-06, 11:16
Now I wish you can tell me the name of 'A' in the porno, because I'd love to watch dat video 8-P

Almotu

Almotu
07-22-06, 11:34
I am not a newbie to Rio but you totallly opened my eyes again with some new places in Centro. I will definitely try to find Cancun on my next trip. Can you give more info about the place that you and ibiz where you partied with the four chicas?! Soundz perfect!

Almotu

El Austriaco
07-23-06, 01:51
Incredible blog for those who speak decent Portuguese. Covers more than two years in the life of Evelyn Angel, a 21-year old Copacabana GDP who seems to have been everywhere (Help, Veranda Sobre as Ondas, Meia Pataca, Balcony, Frank's, Barbarella, Cicciolina), also worked in Aeroporto, Centaurus, and a few centro termas, and just left Monte Carlo a while ago, in addition to working in Europe.

This has everything you ever wanted to know about the mind of a Brazilian hooker and her progression into a Copa GDP specializing in foreigners.

http://www.gatadeprograma.weblogger.terra.com.br/

Just a few gems (my translation):

1) "Someone asked me how much I take in over a month, a weak and a good month, right? I don´t really like to quote numbers, even less so on the Internet and in public, but I will tell you that it is not less than R$ 5000 per month..."

2) "I like to work in Help and Barbarella because there, you can more or less pick the guy, and the money we make with each and every one of them is about the same as two programas in a Termas (at least for me; there might be girls that charge less than I do; for me, it's EUR 100 or USD 150)."

3) "Well, I haven't been going to Help a lot anymore lately because I discovered something even better. I am going to regular places!!! Now, I always go to Shenanigans in Ipanema, Lord Jim in Leblon, The Irish Pub at Pça General Osorio, The Office in Copacabana... There are always a few decent foreigners there, and I end up spending nothing because I always find a gringo to pay, this week I went three times and I always managed to turn a trick!"

4) "This week, I only turned 2 tricks, went to Barbarella once with a friend of mine and we ended up leaving together with a British guy, and the guy then wanted to pay us less, and we got really pissed off. We had agreed on R$ 500 each (we realized that he was loaded with money) and went to the apartment he was staying at. We spent the night with him, and the next day, he wanted to pay R$ 250 each! We threatened we would cause a mess, he said there had been a misunderstanding, and if we were really charging R$ 500 each, he wouldn't have taken us out because the other girls were asking a lot less (Get it? These cheap *****s bring down the rates, this is so fucked up)."

The most surprising thing for me was that she would even mentioned the now-defunct Curuja, that dive on Prado Júnior just down a block from Barbarella´s that I always used to hang out for late night beers and cheap hookers that had struck out that night. Just goes to show that these girls get around…

And who are the people that she speaks of with the deepest contempt? You guessed right, the "fariseus": the Rio expatriates that always surround themselves with Copa GDPs. Very revealing.

EA

Exec Talent
07-23-06, 03:36
Not only is this ancient news, but it is a hoax. Among the fabrications, this "girl" claims to have taken two Irish guys into a room at a well-known termas. Two girls, one guy - you bet. Two girls, two guys, sure. Orgy, no problem. Two guys, one girl at a well-known termas, not going to happen. My suspicion is that many people here know who this "girl" really is.

El Austriaco
07-23-06, 04:24
Not only is this ancient news, but it is a hoax. Among the fabrications, this "girl" claims to have taken two Irish guys into a room at a well-known termas. Two girls, one guy - you bet. Two girls, two guys, sure. Orgy, no problem. Two guys, one girl at a well-known termas, not going to happen. My suspicion is that many people here know who this "girl" really is.
Saying it is a hoax is pretty strong. Which termas was that, anyway... Centaurus, most likely? That's as much as I can figure out from the blog. I am no Centaurus expert, but I guess for the right price, pretty much everything seems possible to me in Rio. Would you categorically exclude the possibility of a 2M/1 F dupla at a terma in Rio?

Like I said in an earlier post, I take all things I hear (or read, in this case) in Rio with a grain of salt, so an inconsistency, possibly exageration (maybe wishful thinking?) doesn't really surprise me too much. This blog, however, is remarkable in terms of the MINDSET of the Copa GDP, her reasoning, her thinking. You can't deny it is fairly consistent with the actual real-life behavior I have witnessed many GDPs display, not with what they tell clients.

If you have more conclusive evidence of a hoax, I'd like to hear it. Like a link, or a more detailed analysis. I am sure others would, too.

EA

Tawan
07-23-06, 05:57
However, sadly, due to her fighting with another girl while working at L'uomo, (Suzy) has been fired. She says she tried to get a job at Monte Carlo and Solarium and Centaurus, but apparantly has been blacklisted and cannot work in Zona Sul.

TruantTruant,

Suzy has a great personality so that's too bad she has left. Sadly, I have never taken her to a room but am friendly with another girl who used to work at L'Uomo and met I Suzy a couple times in the bar, she seemed fun.

Apparently Suzy thought another girl was stealing her client and confronted her and from there things escalated, and became a bit physical...not too physical, more like "don't you point your finger in my face" stuff but I guess that was enough.

You may be interested to know that (again, at least according to my friend) Suzy was not exactly fired, she was suspended for 10 days or so - which is almost the same thing as the girls often have to cover big fines that pile up during such a period. Both decided to quit. As tough as the managers can be on the girls, however, I'm pretty sure there is no organized blacklist. If fact, the other girl now works at MC. In Suzy's case, it's possible she was a bit too old to start a run at another big zona sul termas.

Btw the talent level is still pretty high at L'Uomo.

(OK I haven't been to the other zona sul termas recently, but I can say it's definitely higher than at any termas in Centro...on the other hand, L'Uomo does lack something in terms of atmosphere lately, as more and more of the customers appear to be tourists on short visits).

Bubba Boy
07-23-06, 06:04
I always read her blog with interest. One thing to be said, although I like her writings and insite, is that I would hopefully screen her out if I ever met her as being to hard, money hungry and a general pain in the ass to be avoided. Any girl that has worked in as many places as her is to be avoided as to hardcore. I do like her writings very much though.

Tawan
07-23-06, 06:34
Saying it is a hoax is pretty strong. If this is a hoax, then someone went to a huge amount of trouble to fill it not just with detailed, plausible information about the current GDP scene, but with mundane updates on things like Evelyn's baby (living back with mom), her apartment/roomate issues, or what she ate that day.

You can never know for sure but this one strikes me as totally real (FWIW, I live here and am fluent in Portuguese.)

If you are new to the GDP scene and understand the language you could definitely learn something about the girls' goals and mindset from this blog. Among other things, it's interesting to see Evelyn proudly claim she never accepts less than R$250-$300 and complaining about girls who ruin the market by charging less than that, but then in other posts you catch her admitting she did take $150 in "special circumstances" like because it was 5am.

If anyone has GDP friends at Monte Carlo, you could probaly confirm Evelyn's existence by asking girls there about her - apparently she was there until a couple months ago, and the blog was also known to a few of them.

Cachorro
07-23-06, 12:54
Thanks for the link, EA.

I cut and pasted another part of her blog that was interesting!


Saí com um indiano e com um velho americano, o velho foi até legal, mas o indiano me encheu a paciencia, pois ele achou que eu dormiria com ele e eu não quis, até porque não tinha combinado nada !Depois ele queria me pagar menos e eu fiquei explicando pra ele que não era assim que funcionava e que geralmente um programa é equivalente a "umazinha", e não uma noite inteira !Esse tipo de coisa tem que ser combinada antes !

Eu não gosto de dormir com ninguém, ás vezes você acorda meio de ressaca, olha pro lado e nos primeiros segundos até cair a ficha, você fica meio ..."onde eu tô?", acho péssima essa sensação, nada como acordar em casa, na própria cama, né ?

Bem, mas no final ele entendeu (depois de muuuita encheção de saco e discussão) e me deu os 300,00 combinados e eu me mandei de novo pra help.

Esses dias (se eu não me engano, quinta passada) eu saí com um cara que me levou pra um hotel fuleiro no Catete e chegando la, o cara tava bebado e achou que pudesse me sacanear e queria me dar 25,00 reais na hora de eu ir embora, é mole ?

Eu fiz um escândalo, disse que meu namorado era policial e simulei ligar pra ele e mandar ele vir de viatura pra resolver o caso...

O cara não se intimidou e deitou na cama e dormiu (ele tava podre de bêbado e tava até enrolando a língua)...Sabem o que eu fiz ? Fui la embaixo e chamei um PM mesmo !

Expliquei a situação e policial disse que não poderia fazer muita coisa, mas concordou em voltar la comigo.

Foi um custo pra acordar o cara e quando o cara abriu a porta, ja tava até com o dinheiro na mão pra me dar, não precisou nem o PM abrir a boca !

Quando nós descemos, agradeci e entrei direto num taxi, pois fiquei com um pouco de medo do policial se engraçar comigo e querer alguma coisa em troca né ? heheh

Bubba Boy
07-23-06, 16:41
For the portuguese impaired, the last part of her post was interesting in that she went to a short term motel with a guy and he only wanted to pay her R25. She said that her boyfriend was a policeman but that didn't scare the dude. She went away called the police and the policeman basically said there is little he can do but agreed to go and see the guy with her. When they arrived the original dude opened the door with the cash and gave it to her. The policeman did not have to say anything. She went on to say that she was frightened of the policeman because he may have wanted something in exchange.

One common theme in her writings is she always has problems receiving the money she thinks she has already agreed upon.

The moral to the story.
1) Stand firm on what you believe the agreement is.
2) Do not open the door to the police. They cannot really do anything while they are outside your door (to a point- don't push this), they are not allowed or will not be willing to break the door down for a dispute with a "hooker".

My favourite line when I girl tries and tells me her boyfriend or someone that she knows is a policeman, is to say my uncle, father or whatever is a diplomat and hence knows every one including judges. If you can pursuade them you are higher up the food chain and won't be initimated they will generally know their place. The average "hookers" place in society is not a well regarded one.

Bravo
07-23-06, 17:47
Bubba, I have been saying the same exact thing for years. If you are staying in an apartment, simply do not open the door when the police come to investigate the issue. Dont answer the phone either, when the poteiro calls to say that the cops are there to talk to you. Eventually, they will just get annoyed and leave. Once you step outside to resolve the issue, you are fucked and they can do anything they want, including raise the amount you have to pay.

On a side note; Why did the guy sit in the short time hotel and wait for the girl to return with the police? He should have just left,

Fabiovolo
07-23-06, 19:36
Dear fellow mongers,

Many friends that have been to Rio tell me to not bother about GDPs or WGs, because when they went to brazil they had were stormed by regular girls who just wanted to hang out with them?

What is your opinion about this?

What about getting regular girls, not GDPs for good looking guys in their 30s?

Bravo
07-23-06, 23:21
Dear fellow mongers,

Many friends that have been to Rio tell me to not bother about GDPs or WGs, because when they went to brazil they had were stormed by regular girls who just wanted to hang out with them?

What is your opinion about this?

What about getting regular girls, not GDPs for good looking guys in their 30s?


A better question is: If your not looking for a wife, why would you waste your time with regular girls? Yes, it is possible to meet and date regular girls, but if your only going to be in Basil for a week or so, you dont have time to bother with them.

Euro100
07-24-06, 04:37
Dear fellow mongers,

Many friends that have been to Rio tell me to not bother about GDPs or WGs, because when they went to brazil they had were stormed by regular girls who just wanted to hang out with them?

What is your opinion about this?

What about getting regular girls, not GDPs for good looking guys in their 30s?

Yes, you can meet lots of regular girls in Rio. No problem at all. Just avoid the Copa. Go to Centro or Ipanema or the malls (like Rio Sul) or the universities. Regular Brazilian women are often very open and forward. In particular if you are tall and blond and fairskinned it is easy to score. I have done this on my first six or seven trips to Rio ... before I came to understand the pro scene.

But why do you want to bother with regular girl? Let's think for a minute.

First, you visited this site presumably because of the "S" in ISG. So you want sex. Fine, we all do, that's a given. Second, you want the sex as good and as often as possible, at as low a cost as possible. How do I know this? You are a man; enough said!

OK, so what are the real costs?

Pro: two hours for R150, full service, suck and fuck, perhaps with GFE if you play it right and if you want this. TLN for R200. (let's not quarrel about the prices; I mean them only for illustration) Then you move on to the next target.

Regular girl: no fee for sex. But you take her out on a date to a nice restaurant. Perhaps Porcao (my favorite). Drinks, desserts, for two. R150. Taxi to and from her place. A dance club. Cover charge. More drinks. Whatever. Most likely you don't score on the first date, but only on the second. You feel good that she doesn't jump into bed with a guy on the first date. Great for you. Rinse and repeat. Perhaps you buy her a little present. Cologne? R100. Ipod? R500. Good investment: you score. Fabulous sex! (well perhaps ... she is not a pro after all - maybe BJ, maybe not -- anal, who knows?). Excellent! I know this works, because I have done all of the above a few times. But you add up the tab and you can easily be at R1000 by now. One pop, perhaps two. (Comparison: For this kind of money you could already have rubbed your wiener raw with pros.)

But it's all good. You conquered a regular girl. That's gotta be worth a bit! Of course, the downside is that SHE HAS ALSO CONQUERED YOU. Phone calls, repeat visits, clingyness, the whole ball of wax. Good luck dumping her and moving on to the next one. Could be very unpleasant.

A wise man (perhaps Bubba?) once stated on this site: We don't pay for having sex with a girl; we pay for them to leave after. (Well, something like this at least.)

OK, that's it. Bottom line: there are plenty of regular girls available. But in the end they may be a really bad deal.

euro

Wandering Fool
07-24-06, 04:45
If this is really the case I'd like to know where they went to be "stormed" by regular girls.

My experience, confirmed by talking to locals, is that Amercian men in Rio have a rep as being mongers and good looking local girls can get a bad rep talking to them. Also, the US's international rep right now is horrible and while being an American in the past might have garnered instant celebrity status, it is now a liability. We are the "ugly americans" at the moment.

I make an effort to do non-monger activities when in Rio because in addition to the short term pleasures of the termas etc, I'd love to meet a beautiful exotic girl for a long term relationship (definitely a non pro, non past pro, not even close to pro for this). I go to outdoor concerts, non-pro bars, hang more in Ipanema, check the malls etc. Admittedly, I'm only looking for 9's because anything less than that I can get in the states so what's the point. What I've found is that the really hot Cariocas are just as stuck up, maybe more, than girls in the states. Even the 8's are stuck up and although you can get to them and sometimes get digits, its a great deal of work. No storming going on.

Now, I did notice that as I got outside Rio, like Niteroi for example, the girls seemed more happy to flirt and perhaps a little of that cool Amercian thing still held true. So in the future for my non pro hunt, I'll probably look outside Rio. To this point I haven't been outside Rio enough to have tried my luck with any stunners, so I can't comment on that.

The only storming I've seen has been at Help.

By the way, if anyone wants to offer advice on where to find the best non pro action, other than the usual mentioned clubs, bars, malls, beaches in copa and Ipanema, I'd love to hear it. What about nearby areas like Niteroi or other outskirts of Rio.

Viva Chicas
07-24-06, 08:07
Hello everyone,

EURO100 in his post #1478 is right on the 'money'.

As in everything in life there is a cost.

Especially if it involves women and Panocha.

If you visit with a pro or semi pro you pay for the specific item all men seek. You pay the going rate based on the country and the city. If she likes you you may get a slight break in price and the GFE.

If you search for the non pro experience there seems to be a lot more charges on the way to the Panocha. You must feed them, buy drinks, pretend you like to dance and be very sociable. No guarantee of success for a date or two. No guarantee as to the quality of the sex either. It could be possible she is not experienced or too shy.

Plus if you are only in the location for a week or two, time is not on your side. It would be different if you lived there full time or at least a few months at a time.

So I think it best to just pay up and 'get it done'. If you like the pro you can always invite her back and she will be there, when you are ready. Not the other way around.
Less drama along the way also, unless you allow it.

Thank you for listening, and go out there and 'get it done'.

Fabiovolo
07-24-06, 09:52
Thanks folks for all the good advice.

Just a couple of clarifications:

- We're Italians, not Americans (not that this might make any difference as far as mongering reputation is concerned)

- I'm into mongering but one of my friends is not aroused by the idea of having to pay a garota for sucking his dick and I understand him. So what he basically wants is going to a club or someplace for having a snog and going home with a smile, that's all. Any good advice for getting this kind of experience is welcome.

Carrib
07-25-06, 01:35
Dear fellow mongers,

Many friends that have been to Rio tell me to not bother about GDPs or WGs, because when they went to brazil they had were stormed by regular girls who just wanted to hang out with them?

What is your opinion about this?

What about getting regular girls, not GDPs for good looking guys in their 30s?

Fabiovolo--some of these "regular girls" could have been semi pros. I too have been with guys who scoffed at paying for sex---took them to a termas and that was all she wrote..LOL..these girls have a way of making u forget they are GDPs--they are wonderful actresses. Heed the advice you've been given and dont be suckered into paying more than the market price--some GDPs will even give it up for free in the hopes of landing u as a steady boyfriend.

pros/semi pros also hang out at regular clubs ..they go after work or on their night off- so if u are up for the challenge of conquering a regular carioca--u may end up with a GDP pretenting to be a good girl.

But you are in your 30's with the "I never pay for pussy" attitude and u want to say I went to rio and I conqured a regular girl.... No problem. Still, if u really want to score with that regular girl no matter what the final costs (see prev posts)...I cant say stress this enough--Avoid COPA. dont even mention it---if she does, give her a blank stare...LOL..in other words, lie like a dog...just like u do back home trying to get some quick ass.

Rio Bob
07-25-06, 02:08
Bubba, I have been saying the same exact thing for years. If you are staying in an apartment, simply do not open the door when the police come to investigate the issue. Dont answer the phone either, when the poteiro calls to say that the cops are there to talk to you. Eventually, they will just get annoyed and leave. Once you step outside to resolve the issue, you are fucked and they can do anything they want, including raise the amount you have to pay.

On a side note; Why did the guy sit in the short time hotel and wait for the girl to return with the police? He should have just left,

If I sense that a recently kicked out GDP is going to come back with the Police and I have had a few of these problems with girls asking for money up front etc. I get my passport, plane ticket, money and a tooth brush and get out of the apartment until the coast is clear, if you really didn't commit a crime they will leave and probably never come back.

Rio Bob
07-25-06, 02:25
Dear fellow mongers,

Many friends that have been to Rio tell me to not bother about GDPs or WGs, because when they went to brazil they had were stormed by regular girls who just wanted to hang out with them?

What is your opinion about this?

What about getting regular girls, not GDPs for good looking guys in their 30s?

Well it's been a long time since I've seen my 30's but in recent years as my Portuguese has improved I have had a handful of regular girls some in their 20's and older. I met a waitress once, took me days to get her in bed, took her to dinner, on nights when I figured we weren't going to bed I went to Help.

Another time I met a girl who worked in a hospital, went to night school, we met after school, took me a week to get her in bed, I went to Help every night I didn't score.

Another 25 year old I met on the beach, she was on vacation from Brasilia, I did her the first night, she was the hottest of them all, was supposed to leave the next day and asked me if she could stay longer and with me, I told her to go home, I regret that one, I still think about her.

Then I have had numerous girls from the online dating services, all very nice professional women, some I scored with, some I didn't.

Also had a girl recently that I met on the beach who never charged me anything but when I was packing to go home I noticed she stole condoms, lube, cigarettes and suntan lotion, what a cheap beeetch.

Overall regular girls are more troublesome and costly and not better in bed then the girls I meet in Help.

To be honest GDP's are more cost effective, less troublesome and better sexually.

But once in a while I like to give it the old college try and I enjoy the chase.

Sperto
07-25-06, 09:19
Dear fellow mongers,
Many friends that have been to Rio tell me to not bother about GDPs or WGs, because when they went to brazil they had were stormed by regular girls who just wanted to hang out with them?
What is your opinion about this?
What about getting regular girls, not GDPs for good looking guys in their 30s?
The further away from Copa the bigger are your chances to score a regular girl. Less gringos means better odds. Going to cities in the interior of Minas, Bahia or Amazonas would drastically improve your scoring.

You don't need to go to any clubs to score regular girls in Rio. Just flirt with the girls everywhere you go. Your huntingground is just about everywhere. The streets, buses, shops, banks, parks and beaches. Eye-contact, smile and conversation. Some flirts will lead to dates and sex and others will get you nothing.

As a gringo you have lots of advantages when trying to score regular girls. You might be blond, blue-eyed, tall or just different in other ways.

The dating process don't have to include expensive restaurants or expensive gifts. Go to the beach, zoo, Jardim Botânico or a cinema. Gifts you bring from back home.

If she turns out to be a semi-pro insisting on expensive restaurants and lots of shopping, just dump her.

The disadvantage of regular girls is that they might not leave you alone and they can also be very jealous. Pro's are necessary to fulfill your sexual needs when they become urgent. Regular girls are good for your budget and fun because of the hunt-and-conquering. For me the ideal situation is a mixture of regular girls and pro's. It's always fun to have a list of phone numbers to regular GFs to call when you get to Brazil.

With some exceptions I think that regular girls give just as good sexual performances as pro's.

Fabiovolo
07-25-06, 13:22
Thanks a lot for all the good advice.

I would also like to know to what extent kissing and groping are allowed in Help and in the Termas. I don't want to be too adventurous with the girl and offend her or get in trouble with the management but I would also like to take full advange of the situation. Can I touch their tits, snog them and so on and if I do, can I walk over to another girl? Can I spend the whole afternoon in a terma lounge, snogging and groping several girls and then going in the room only with the one I like best?

Thanks again.

PS: if anybody would like to connect with us during 10-30 august, we're happy to make friends with everybody. just send me a private message.

CrawlerinMA
07-25-06, 18:14
Hi All,

I just returned from another great trip to Rio and had some random thoughts / questions on the scene. I'd appreciate any opinions either here or in private messages from any experienced members, I mean mongers. I'm sure some of my questions have been covered before, but I figure that information can go out of date over the years. Kind of a long post.

1. Termases.

Does anyone think there is anything better than termases? One-stop shopping that really delivers. For my money, they're hard to beat. Real for real, can any girl deliver better than these girls? DFK, BBBJ, BBBJTC, vaginal and anal sex. These girls do it all. My friends and I spent just about all our time at Quatro X Quatro (we were there at opening hour 4 days in a row), including a stint in the Sultan Suite that features a huge bed and a hot tub. My friend Joe just about cries every time he goes in there, he's so happy. It fits in so well with his sleazy persona!

Girls at Solarium were absolutely smoking! One girl there named Mya had an ass like you dream about. Silky smooth, no trace of hair on it, and she puts baby oil on it to soften it up. I never got a chance with her (she or I were always occupado), but if anyone tries her, please let me know. She's got jet black hair, dark skin, and says she's studying for the Brazilian secret police (kind of like our CIA, I guess). Probably just an amusing cover story for gringos.

As one earlier poster noted, these girls are great actresses. But does anyone think it's ever real? I've never had an American hooker fake it like these girls. The closest I came was at an FKK club near Frankfurt.

The termases I went to are the pricier, upper echelon ones. I'd be willing to try less expensive places, but always wonder about the quality, i.e., you get what you pay for. Does anyone really believe the lower priced places compete favorably with 65, Monte Carlo, Luomo's, 4X4, and Solarium? I talked to this one kid who swore he got a girl at a termas for 30R. I had to wonder if she looked like Freddie Krueger at that price. Or if it were in the middle of a favela.

2. Help

I've found Help to be uneven the last couple of times I've been in Rio. It could be the time of year I go. I've never been in Rio in the middle of their summer. I was there on Friday night and pulled out a garotta who looked kind of like Janine Turner, if any of you remember her. Good sex, even though she was a psycho. She got mad that I hid my money from her, telling me she wouldn't steal and that she "had class." She wanted to keep arguing with me. I eventually let her talk herself out and she feel asleep. We had great morning sex later.

On that night, most of the girls in there were the hags who hung out at the Help veranda bar. I almost left there empty-handed before finding psycho girl. The next night, Saturday, the place was packed and crawling with good-looking garottas. I almost had buyers remorse as I left with my girl. It was about 2, and there were still hotties coming in.

Help is still a good old standby, but I wondered if some of you never go near it anymore.

3. Barbarella's

Do any of you take girls out of here? These girls are mostly no better than Help girls and charge twice as much! In fact, there were a couple of dogs in there that might not even have made the cut at the Balcony Bar. I had girls in there regularly quoting me 500R for probably an hour or two. I laughed at every one of them. I told one girl I'd give her 50R if any guy were stupid enough to give her 500. I never did have to pay her.

I think I'm developing a bit of a reputation in there. One of the girls who's always there (Christiane) told others that I never take any girls out of there. Pretty sad when a girl more than 4,000 miles away from home knows me like that. :) I got one girl upset when I gave away all her cigarettes when she wasn't looking. I gave her money to go buy another pack.

And the prices! I have fun teasing the girls in Barbarella's, but it comes at a steap price! Cover, plus four drinks, and I'm facing a 200R tab. These guys make padding drinks an art form.

4. Price, price, price

Hey, I'm sure most of us go to Brazil to get top quality at a bargain price. But is it really much of a bargain anymore? The dollar keeps dropping, and now the exchange rate is not much more than 2R/1USD. These girls were costing as much as U.S. hookers and more! And I can't stand it when they try to justify it by telling me it would be so much more in the U.S. Someone's obviously tipped them off too much.

As I stated before, prices were high at Barbarellas, but they seemed high everywhere. Guys, have we all ruined the economy down here? I'll admit I played my part by giving the two Help girls 300R each. Some girls in there were quoting 400R, and this was low season. Just a few years ago, 200 or 250 was the upper end. Was I just not bargaining hard enough? Feel free to berate me, but please back it up with some facts.

Escorts? I've never used them. Based on my experience in the U.S., I generally find them to be a pain when you have to wait around and you don't know what you're getting until she shows up. One guy told me he was getting escorts from a Brazilian board that cost 150R for two hours. At the time he was telling me this, he was at Luomo's. I got the sense that the quality wasn't there and that for just a few more reals, he'd have the time of his life. I'd love to hear from anyone who does well with them. It would seem to me they're hit or miss at best, and mostly miss. But if anyone's got any rock solid leads on some, let me know for my next trip.

Thanks for reading.

Crawler

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CrawlerinMA
07-25-06, 18:29
I would also like to know to what extent kissing and groping are allowed in Help and in the Termas. I don't want to be too adventurous with the girl and offend her or get in trouble with the management but I would also like to take full advange of the situation. Can I touch their tits, snog them and so on and if I do, can I walk over to another girl? Can I spend the whole afternoon in a terma lounge, snogging and groping several girls and then going in the room only with the one I like best?I don't know what snogging is (kissing?), but kissing is fully allowed in termases. Probably more so than anywhere else. I generally try to focus on one girl before I really start kissing and deep tonguing her. I'll feel a few asses as I make my rounds in the boite. It's too hard to resist those beautiful Brazilian bundas. But I don't really grope them; I think if you did, they'd hang in there for a bit and then politely walk away from you if they know they're not going to make any money off you. It's interesting to watch the Brazilian guys in the termases; they generally look pretty relaxed and aren't pawing their girls. Probably has a lot to do with the fact that they can talk to the girls. Whereas gringos like myself are making out and feeling up our girls.

Full Throttle
07-25-06, 23:49
1. Regarding 30R/terma girls. Remember, as EA pointed out, termas include virtually every kind of sleazy cathouse in Rio. For clarification, an acceptable terma requires that I participate in my favorite leisure activity: Robing.

I don't think there is anyplace to go robing where you can end up at 30R. The closest we've found is Aquarius. There, you could conceivably wear a robe and there are common shower and sauna facilities. Only 1 of 6 girls was above a 5.5, but she was at least a 7.0. As posted, they have afternoon specials for 20R/10 minutes, 30R/20, 50R/30 or something along those lines. Add 10R cover, but a drink or 2 or 3 is included.

The 1R/minute factories we've been in (probably 10) are inelegant, masturbation-by-proxy joints at best.

2. In Help, the security guards break up heavy groping and elongated lapdance-type activities.

The Veranda and Help are great nighttime diversions, whether you meet the girl of your dreams or not.

3. Who goes to Barbarellas? I never see anyone post about it here. Maybe I'll check the Grey Poupon section...

4. The increase in prices has driven me downtown and I am appreciative. The MP's are great and I 4X4 and Cancun are good deals if you partake before 1700. I probably spend less than what I would if the exchange went back to 3X1.

El Greco
07-26-06, 01:03
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4. The increase in prices has driven me downtown and I am appreciative. The MP's are great and I 4X4 and Cancun are good deals if you partake before 1700. I probably spend less than what I would if the exchange went back to 3X1.[/QUOTE]



Can you please be more specific about Cancun? Where, how much etc
Never heard of it before.

Thanks,

El Greco

Crypton
07-26-06, 01:12
4. Price, price, price

Hey, I'm sure most of us go to Brazil to get top quality at a bargain price. But is it really much of a bargain anymore? The dollar keeps dropping, and now the exchange rate is not much more than 2R/1USD. These girls were costing as much as U.S. hookers and more! And I can't stand it when they try to justify it by telling me it would be so much more in the U.S. Someone's obviously tipped them off too much.

Escorts? I've never used them. Based on my experience in the U.S., I generally find them to be a pain when you have to wait around and you don't know what you're getting until she shows up. One guy told me he was getting escorts from a Brazilian board that cost 150R for two hours. But if anyone's got any rock solid leads on some, let me know for my next trip.

Thanks for reading.

Crawler

Crawler,

Nice report. I will be in Rio middle of August for the first time and your observations are timely. In preparation for this trip I have RTFF over and over again!

I agree that the price of p*ssy is going up (actually, everywhere - not just Brazil - the Thai baht is down to 37 from 42 last year). But I think the main difference between Brazil (or Thailand or your favorite country) and US is that these girls more or less deliver as promised. I have tried a couple of US escorts over the years and all they are interested in ripping you off and giving the least amount of service possible.

About escorts, you're right - there are a lot of bait and switch operations based on my reading. But, I am planning to try a couple in Recife (more espensive than Rio escorts, if you can believe that!) and Rio (probably Karlas and Scortshow - the two most reliable based on user reports). Will post a report when I get back on my escort experiences.

Cheers.

Full Throttle
07-26-06, 05:53
Can you please be more specific about Cancun? Where, how much etc
Never heard of it before.

Thanks,

El Greco

Referenced here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=487198&postcount=1454

Not the exact address which is hiding in an MP3 player that isn't playing. I think the directions are good. I even think I alluded/aluded to the price. If not, 150R all-in before 5pm, 180R after. Add 20R for 60 min. vs. 40.

FT

Sperto
07-26-06, 07:41
The termases I went to are the pricier, upper echelon ones. I'd be willing to try less expensive places, but always wonder about the quality, i.e., you get what you pay for. Does anyone really believe the lower priced places compete favorably with 65, Monte Carlo, Luomo's, 4X4, and Solarium? I talked to this one kid who swore he got a girl at a termas for 30R. I had to wonder if she looked like Freddie Krueger at that price. Or if it were in the middle of a favela.

Nice report. I disagree on one point, you don't get what you pay for. You can get just as good quality of girls and sexual services at a cheap R$ 30-50 place as you get at a pricy terma.

The difference is that at a pricy terma you pay more and get to stay in a fancy suite, saunas, drink expensive drinks and have to dress in a robe.



Hey, I'm sure most of us go to Brazil to get top quality at a bargain price. But is it really much of a bargain anymore?... These girls were costing as much as U.S. hookers and more!
You want bargain price? Forget the pricy termas and the robe and head to Centro.

Rio Bob
07-26-06, 13:21
4. Price, price, price

These girls were costing as much as U.S. hookers and more! And I can't stand it when they try to justify it by telling me it would be so much more in the U.S. Someone's obviously tipped them off too much.

I was in Rio several months ago, most of the girls I had for TLN from Help were in the 200 reais range which is $100. You know where in the US that we can get same quality girls for all night for $100? Please tell.

Droplet
07-26-06, 23:11
Guys,

I'm new to this place. I been reading all the threads here. I was in Brazil last summer and Im going back in 3 weeks or so.

Just like to ask about the Termas,

When you go in, and they ask you to change, are you just in your pants? What do they give you to cover the rest of you up?

Is it also possible to get a genuine massage? Will that cost any different than the prices ppl have been giving about taking girls?

Cheers

CrawlerinMA
07-27-06, 02:14
I disagree on one point, you don't get what you pay for. You can get just as good quality of girls and sexual services at a cheap R$ 30-50 place as you get at a pricy terma.

You want bargain price? Forget the pricy termas and the robe and head to Centro.I like the sound of that. I do hate having to change into the robe all the time. Which termas are you talking about? Names? I know of only 4X4 and 65 in Centro.

CrawlerinMA
07-27-06, 02:17
You know where in the US that we can get same quality girls for all night for $100? Please tell.I guess I was thinking of inexpensive escorts in Mass. and Maine that would cost around $200-250/hr. And you're right, they wouldn't stay all night.

Delecti
07-27-06, 03:09
Guys,

I'm new to this place. I been reading all the threads here. I was in Brazil last summer and Im going back in 3 weeks or so.

Just like to ask about the Termas,

When you go in, and they ask you to change, are you just in your pants? What do they give you to cover the rest of you up?

Is it also possible to get a genuine massage? Will that cost any different than the prices ppl have been giving about taking girls?

CheersYou lose the pants, shirts, socks, etc. They give you a good sized terry bathrobe. And a pair of flip-flop type plastic sandals. Some guys keep on their underwear underneath the robe, most don't bother. Either would be fine, so you can do what makes you comfortable. I figure, leave it in the locker --- after all, you are not going to need it!

The above applies to the more uscale termas in Rio: Centaurus, Monte Carlo, Solarium, 4x4, Luomo, etc.

And yes, there is a regular licensed masseuse there, rates vary but I think they are about $60R, around $25. I think they have to have legitimate massage as part of the license to operate. Then the girls are independent contractors. Thus, in some places, you can put the room, entrance fee and bar on your credit card, but you are supposed to pay the girl in cash. Even this can normally be waived and pay the girl on your credit card if you run out of money.

Delicti

Weekender 123
07-27-06, 03:26
I can't answer your question on genuine massage (didn't go to Rio for that), but as for terma attire it is simple.

You will go into a locker room with a key for the locker which you will then wear around your wrist, all drinks / ladies will be charged to this key number. You will put all your clothes in the locker including pants, shirt, and shoes. You will then be given a robe and sandles to wear into the terma. It is at your discretion whether you go commando under the robe or keep your underwear on.

Part of the fun of the terma is seeing a room full of guys in terrycloth robes drinking, smoking, dancing and groping the most beautiful girls on the planet.

If you haven't been to the termas in Rio it is a MUST DO for every guy. I was in Rio 4 months ago and I have reminisced about the termas every day since I got back.

Popular terrmas in Copacabana that I visited include Monte Carlo and L'uomo. In downtown it is 4x4 (quatro por quatro) (sorry if I mispelt). I loved them all.....the uniform/attitude in L'uomo, the girls in Monte Carlo and the selection at 4x4.

Before you leave make sure you read Bubba Boys guide, it is both bang on as well as extremely detailed.

Enjoy your trip!!!!


Guys,

I'm new to this place. I been reading all the threads here. I was in Brazil last summer and Im going back in 3 weeks or so.

Just like to ask about the Termas,

When you go in, and they ask you to change, are you just in your pants? What do they give you to cover the rest of you up?

Is it also possible to get a genuine massage? Will that cost any different than the prices ppl have been giving about taking girls?

Cheers

Darkseid
07-28-06, 13:34
If this is really the case I'd like to know where they went to be "stormed" by regular girls.

My experience, confirmed by talking to locals, is that Amercian men in Rio have a rep as being mongers and good looking local girls can get a bad rep talking to them. Also, the US's international rep right now is horrible and while being an American in the past might have garnered instant celebrity status, it is now a liability. We are the "ugly americans" at the moment.

I make an effort to do non-monger activities when in Rio because in addition to the short term pleasures of the termas etc, I'd love to meet a beautiful exotic girl for a long term relationship (definitely a non pro, non past pro, not even close to pro for this). I go to outdoor concerts, non-pro bars, hang more in Ipanema, check the malls etc. Admittedly, I'm only looking for 9's because anything less than that I can get in the states so what's the point. What I've found is that the really hot Cariocas are just as stuck up, maybe more, than girls in the states. Even the 8's are stuck up and although you can get to them and sometimes get digits, its a great deal of work. No storming going on.

Now, I did notice that as I got outside Rio, like Niteroi for example, the girls seemed more happy to flirt and perhaps a little of that cool Amercian thing still held true. So in the future for my non pro hunt, I'll probably look outside Rio. To this point I haven't been outside Rio enough to have tried my luck with any stunners, so I can't comment on that.

The only storming I've seen has been at Help.

By the way, if anyone wants to offer advice on where to find the best non pro action, other than the usual mentioned clubs, bars, malls, beaches in copa and Ipanema, I'd love to hear it. What about nearby areas like Niteroi or other outskirts of Rio.

During the 4 years I lived in Brazil, I found it was better to stick to my Asian roots than to admit I was an American. Although some mistakened me as Japanese instead of Chinese. American men over the years I was there was losing popularity especially when Bush got into office. My former Brazilian girlfriend even warned me against saying I was American. She said that people would think I was a pervert if I did say I were American so she told me to claim I am Chinese. Also she felt less out of place with me than with a more gringo looking guy. I did fit more in than an American because like the Brazilians, I have the straight black hair (and a tan to boot from living there for 4 years). I also studied Capoeira (which was the main reason I stayed there besides getting away from the American rat race but my funds ran dry because Bush devalued the currency to favor himself).
I actually met my girlfriend in Capoeira class. That is an unusual place to meet a girl but I already had that in common with her to begin with so that made it easy in spite of my language limitations.

Tavares
07-28-06, 17:04
Is it possible to go to termas and leave empty-handed? I mean, suppose you don't like any of the girls there on one given day? How much will you have to pay? Entrance fee and drinks?

Exec Talent
07-28-06, 23:21
Is it possible to go to termas and leave empty-handed? I mean, suppose you don't like any of the girls there on one given day? How much will you have to pay? Entrance fee and drinks?

That is all you will pay. My recommendation on a termas like Centaurus where the management is such a pain in the butt, bartenders have their hands out for tips, girls are like vultures fighting for road kill and they try to find every way possible to rip you off is to just pay the non-gringo entrance fee of R$70, meet a girl and make her an offer for all night at your place.

Skygoggles
07-29-06, 01:15
Guys,

Is it also possible to get a genuine massage? Will that cost any different than the prices ppl have been giving about taking girls?

CheersGenuine as in no sex with your massage, is available at L'oumo, MC and Centaurus, upon inquiring you cannot have sex with the masseuses in the case of Centaurus and L'oumo you will definitely not have the urge, since at Centaurus it's a guy and L'oumo it's Helga the Swedish nightmare, last time I was at either of these establishments. The quality of the massage at MC, the only one I tried was tame to say the least. If you like a hard massage, don't waste your time.

Tokyo via AA
07-29-06, 03:21
first and foremost, i need to thank mr. safado. i met up with him on sunday during my trip, and we hung out together and kept in touch the rest of my visit. a great, genuine person, he knows how to enjoy rio (and, it seems, life in general). thanks, man!

so here's my report...two parts, help-based experiences and l'uomo terma.

help
----

i was at help on saturday night alone, sunday night with mr. safado (though we never went in), and tuesday night again with mr. safado. saturday night was the winner, setting the bar too high for the rest of the trip, really.

on saturday night, i was one of the first people into help when it opened at 11. it was hard to tell when they actually opened, because few of the people hanging out outside in the restaurant or around it actually went in. for the first hour, they played a music video of a talented brazilian pop singer as the music track...eventually people started trickling in.

i'd estimate there were at least 100, maybe 150 women in by 12:00, and maybe 50 guys. definite good odds.

i went home that night with sandra, a very attractive gdp who insisted her age was 37 (about the same as mine) though she had the body of someone more like 27. her english was good, not great, she has a beautiful smile, danced well, and was very confident. i was staying at the marriott, and as we left help at about 12:30, we walked back the five blocks. the marriott signed her in and we were on our way.

details are unnecessary, except that sandra was more into anal sex than anyone i've ever met. wow. i ended up paying her 250 reals, which is 50 to 100 over the going rate. i knew that going in, but based on the experience, that was the best value-for-money of the three nights at help. she left around 8 in the morning, afte three rounds, and i wish i had gotten her phone number.

on sunday night, mr. safado and i sat outside help having a drink and scoping the talent. i had not realized from the reports here that you can essentially score a helpee girl without paying the r$22-32 cover charge and actually going in...just sit outside and invite someone over to chat. in this case, two girls invited themselves over to us. honestly, i don't remember much about the girl i took home that night...r$150 for tln, and while she was good, she wasn't sandra. imho, a girl willing to pay the help cover charge and go inside is probably a better pickup, since she's wiling to invest in her trade. that didn't prove right on tuesday, but it still seems logical to me.

tuesday night, mr. safado and i again sat outside for a while, but even though it was busy, nobody seemed quite the right potential companion. so we entered "the temple of doom" around 1 am. i think this was too late to start a night of hunting. the best picks seem to have already been taken, and the girls who were left were either very aggressive or unworthy. there seems to be a nadir after which the girls start raising the rates for the admittedly-desperate men who remain. one gdp who spoke good english and had lived in the us opened the negotiations at r$400, wouldn't come down past r$300, and said it was only for an hour as she had to get to her "real" job in the morning. with that attitude, i just walked away. that gave us a good acid test for any others we talked to -- we told them that story and laughed at how outrageous it was to be asking for that rate, and if they ran, we knew they were going to try the same stunt. mr. safado ended up connecting with the world's smallest "spinner", (who agreed 150-200 was the going rate) and she agreed to help find a companion for me for the night. she introduced me to maia, who i think was about 24, typical looking garota who was wearing jewish star earrings but didn't seem to know the meaning of them. she claimeed to speak english but she didn't seem to be able to do so very well. she opened at r$300 and didn't really want to come down from there. with mr. safado and the spinner negotiating in portuguese on my behalf, she eventually agreed to r$200...then went back up to r$250, then said ok to r$200. i said to mr. safado on the way out that i was sure he'd have a better evening than i...

...and i was right. after being swindled into one of the taxis waiting out front for r$20 to go five blocks away (one of mr. safado's local friends vouched for the driver, oops), i took maia up to my room. there she started moaning about how being "on the program" sucks, how she is going to get married in december to a japanese guy just to get out of it, etc. then she tells me that she's got a "smell" coming from downstairs, that she assumes it's just because she's been drinking so much, that it has been there a few days but no problem because we'll use condoms anyway and she's done one trick since it appeared. it took me about 10 minutes to do so, but that was enough for me and i booted her out with r$100 for taxi fare and just to get out. i never even kissed her, she was so not into being there. fairly certain that the "smell" meant an infection of some kind, i was utterly repulsed. she also seemed drugged up to me, which i figure is why her english was so broken as well.

so advice is - read the do's and don'ts list in the bubba guide. even with someone who speaks good portuguese, and a gdp vouching for a girl, this last night was a total bust. and it was way too late to go back and pick up someone else. so my last night in rio was spent solo.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for directions for posting a link to a specific report.

Tokyo via AA
07-29-06, 03:23
i went to l'uomo terma twice ... monday and wednesday, both times in the 4 pm hour. i would actually have gone on sunday, but i couldn't find it. it's on rua siquiera campos, in the antiques mall next to the metro stop. but it's up on the second floor and isn't visible from street level at all, and the directory inside the mall entrance didn't seem to list it (maybe it only listed street-level shops).

on monday, coming in close to opening time, the ratio was three guys to about 30 girls. 5 of them were around 8s, another 5 7s, and the rest in the 5-6s range or so imho. honestly, i was nervous being thrown in to that situation -- the bar is small and so there's no place to hide. i've done a lot of the german fkks and never felt that much pressure. the girls catcalled me for a while until i finally relaxed enough to smile and start trying to talk, and they didn't let up when they learned i didn't speak portuguese. they tried all their broken english and combined, five of the girls were able to get me to start interacting with them. this lead to mara coming over to talk...22 (i think 24-25), blonde, tall, cute (about a 7). she spoke spanish, so i was able to interact with her pretty well.

what was amazing about the termas experience is the level of passion these girls exhibited. it truly is a rent-a-girlfriend experience, which i only got one of three nights from help. the gfe factor was even higher for the termas girls. mara made out with me, grinded and lapdanced, had me feel her up, pretty much did everything right there at the bar for a good 20 minutes before we went to a room... and i had the feeling that could have gone longer.

in the room, she was very good, if a little bit scripted in her moves and words. we went for the hour, as most have suggested...much more time for only a little bit more money. only disappointment is that she promised cim but didn't deliver, claiming that she didn't understand what i was saying as i got close. oh well.

after the hour with mara, i recovered for a while in the relax room and had dinner, which was stewed chicken and rice and beans. good enough, but nothing special. at least it's included at no extra charge. once done with that, i went back in the bar, where mara was all over me again. it took me about 10 minutes of her kissing/fondling/grinding routine to convince her that i wanted to see another girl. she then decided she was in charge of choosing for me. she introduced me to joyce, 20, a tall dark-haired stunner with the most amazing smile. joyce didn't speak english or spanish, but she understood my spanish well enough that i felt it was ok to go with her (communication is very important to me).

joyce was a delight in the room, looking sweet and innocent one moment and totally nasty another. she was fantastic at oral, at kissing, and at well, everything. joyce was a winner, though i really really needed my american condoms (this is the one night i had forgotten them).

the bill when it was all done was something like r$630, with no alcohol consumed (only two drinks, i think, of any form). this seems pricey to me, considering i could take home four women from help all night for that rate. i know l'uomo isn't the cheapest terma, but it's so off the scale compared to other rio options (escorts, help, massagistas) that i was a bit dispappointed. during the week, you can charge everything but the girl's fees to a credit card, and on weekends, you can charge it all. i do love the notion of earning frequent flyer miles for getting laid...

so given that the pricing was out of whack, why did i go back on wednesday? two reasons.

one, at that point, i was checked out of the hotel, so i couldn't exactly call an escort service (which i would have needed mr. safado or someone to do, since i don't speak portuguese). two, my tuesday night helpee had disappointed such that i had to leave rio on a guaranteed high note.

so i went back on wednesday, found mara, asked her if we could do a dupla with one of her friends. there were far fewer girls on wednesday night...apparently a lot slower night. maybe 10 total. she waited a few minutes and a couple more girls trickled in, including joyce. well, this was a perfect duo, so we all went to the "super suite" (not sure why they upgraded me to that room, maybe they don't allow duplas in the other rooms). in the room,joyce and mara were a pretty good team. they coordinated what they were doing with each other, took turns, encouraged me, talked with me, massaged me, etc. it wasn't quite scenes from a porn movie (pretty much one of them concentrated on kissing me while the other was busy downstairs...at no time were they both working on my dick for example) but i was very very satisfied with them. and joyce was just so damn happy that i was seeing her again, she was giggling like a little girl half the time (except when i was ramming her hard from behind, i suppose :-)).

this dupla was expensive, though. again r$619... apparently even though i only took one room for one hour, i had to pay for it twice. the girls also get more in the super suite than they do in a suite (by r$20), which seems totally absurd to me.

the termas make perfect sense for the local guys, esp. married/committed guys who can't call an escort. but otherwise, they are a very expensive option and while the service was great, i'm not sure it was so so much better than the good ones from the help scene or what you would get from an escort service.

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Tokyo via AA
07-29-06, 03:24
I never had a safety issue, never even felt threatened. But I also locked everything up in the hotel safe every time I left, carried no more than R$100 at a time (except when going directly to L'uomo) and a copy of my passport. I did hear what sounded like gunshots while sitting on the beach (Copacabana) on Sunday, but nobody even blinked. Maybe it was a firecracker. Police presence was consistent most days, and on Monday evening they were lining the sidewalk for whatever reason.

There's some comments on here that you need to carry your actual passport -- the hotel concierge at the marriott has a sign that insists you can carry a copy and that this is fine. Nobody ever asked for it, anyway.

The beach is a dream, either Copacabana or Ipanema. Being a gringo in the off-season was a treat -- an oddball that attracted enough attention that a mom tried to pimp her daughter out to me (for what purpose, not clear, but it was damn funny -- they even took my picture with the brother), two hot blondes wanted to talk to me about my beach reading materials, and I saw more babes in one place than in my entire life. I did pay gringo rate for an ice cream bar once, but otherwise was never ripped off on the beach. R$2 for a cold beer, how can you beat that?

Brazilian condoms are indeed smaller than American ones, and the one time I didn't have my own, this became a problem. Bring your own. The girls seemed to like the American ones (I used Durex mutual pleasure).

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Full Throttle
07-29-06, 21:57
Great job Tokyo,

At a minumum, 14% of your total posts have been recommended to elite status by the "editor." That would have to be a record should you keep it up for the long term.

I find the difference in price for an hour vs. 40 minutes at L'uomos unnecessary. What is the difference? 250 vs. 190? I get so much accomplished before the time starts that 40 mintes is almost TOO much. Now, at 4X4, 170 vs. 150 is a no-brainer.

The little spinner your friend got... did she have an overbite? Speak good English among other languages? If so, it wouldn't surprise me that she has whacko friends. For everyone, STAY AWAY from her. Scary.

I doubt your friend really had any disease going. She wanted to get rid of you. Remember, these are the girls that sponge-up during their time of the month to continue working, I doubt they would advertise a stench. Could be wrong, but my explanation makes sense to me, which is all that matters.

Rio Bob
07-29-06, 22:15
Then she tells me that she's got a "smell" coming from downstairs, that she assumes it's just because she's been drinking so much, that it has been there a few days but no problem because we'll use condoms anyway and she's done one trick since it appeared.
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Thank you for this front line view, I have to say that I really felt your pain.

Tokyo via AA
07-30-06, 00:47
I find the difference in price for an hour vs. 40 minutes at L'uomos unnecessary. What is the difference? 250 vs. 190? I get so much accomplished before the time starts that 40 mintes is almost TOO much. I can usually get 2 pops done in an hour whereas 40 minutes might be pushing it. Plus I figured even if i was just making out for another 15 minutes, or even just a massage, it would all be good.


The little spinner your friend got... did she have an overbite? Speak good English among other languages? Don't think so. Bright red hair. She did speak good English. He took her home that night and said it was all good, so maybe a different one.


I doubt your friend really had any disease going. She wanted to get rid of you. WOW, that's a good thought, but why even bother going back to my hotel then? She didn't mention it until we were there.

Royal21
07-30-06, 06:04
I am headed to rio on August 9. From your reports, it seems beach is not deserted. Overall what is the weather like ? (jacket / sweater or TShirts? - i'm from new york).

Tokyo via AA
07-30-06, 13:54
I am headed to rio on August 9. From your reports, it seems beach is not deserted. Overall what is the weather like ? (jacket / sweater or TShirts? - i'm from new york).It was about 75-80 during the day and 70-75 at night in farenheit. There are signs with time/temperature located in a lot of places along the beaches, and I got used to seeing the numbers 23-26 (C). One advantage to Ipanema beach vs. Copacabana this time of year is that the sun shines on it longer...Copa is in the shadow of the buildings that line Avenida Atlantica.

I don't know if these temperatures were the norm or a fluke, but it sure made for a great off-season trip.

Royal21
07-30-06, 18:36
I booked my tickets to Rio last week from Newark ($860 via American Airlines - August 9 - 20). Will be applying for the visa this tuesday.

I have read the boards and the information is wonderful but there still are some questions:

1. My incoming flight comes in to Sao paolo on Thu Aug 10 then have a connecting flight to Rio. If i decide to just stop in Sao Paolo for a day, what are the means to head on to Rio? (any night bus / train / cheap local flights?)

2. Brasil has been a long time destination for me. I am looking for a good mixture of soaking in the culture/place along with mongering. From what I read a 3 day trip to the amazon area, Manaus looks very interesting. Has anyone flown to manaus and taken a ride on the amazon for a day or two? IS that option valid in August? What are the costs like?

3. From what I read, the description of thermas and HELP etc look very much like the places in Kiev and Istanbul that I have enjoyed a lot. But i also saw a reference of these places being very smokey. So for folks like me, who do not smoke and feel breathing inside difficult, what are the options?
Is it warm enough that open air cafe's are busy till late at night? I love cafe's, just not sure if current temperature is considered warm or cold in Brasil?

4. In eastern europe, most english speaking students use ICQ. So I genereally make contacts before I leave USA and meet up with locals there. What messenger program / chat site is most popular in Brazil? (Preferably where enough people know english - univerisity students usually do).

5. For air travel within Brasil, are there low cost airlines which charge resonable for last minute booking? (travel between Rio, Manaus, Salvador) Should I just go to the airport and buy the tickets or buy tickets from travel agencies in the city first?

Thanks in advance.
R

Rio Bob
07-30-06, 19:29
I booked my tickets to Rio last week from Newark ($860 via American Airlines - August 9 - 20). Will be applying for the visa this tuesday.

I have read the boards and the information is wonderful but there still are some questions:

1. My incoming flight comes in to Sao paolo on Thu Aug 10 then have a connecting flight to Rio. If i decide to just stop in Sao Paolo for a day, what are the means to head on to Rio? (any night bus / train / cheap local flights?)

R

If your ticket already says Rio and you check your luggage then most likely your luggage will be going to Rio if you decide last minute to stay in SP when you land there. If you do not check your luggage then be sure to tell an agent that you will not be continuing your flight segment as they may be waiting for you to check in and board. There are many flights to Rio from SP and buses too.

Rio Bob
07-30-06, 19:33
3. From what I read, the description of thermas and HELP etc look very much like the places in Kiev and Istanbul that I have enjoyed a lot. But i also saw a reference of these places being very smokey. So for folks like me, who do not smoke and feel breathing inside difficult, what are the options?
Is it warm enough that open air cafe's are busy till late at night? I love cafe's, just not sure if current temperature is considered warm or cold in Brasil?

I frequent Help and never been uncomfortable with it being smokey, i'm not a smoker but I do smoke sometimes when I drink. Yes I read the post recently about the smokey condition but maybe their air conditioning or ventalition wasn't working properly.

I fell the weather in Rio during the winter is similar to Miami so during the night it could dip into the 60's - 70's not so bad if you are used to northern climate.

Mangera
07-30-06, 21:20
This happenned to me last month in Rio. One night I was at Luomo's, with a friend who happenned to be in town for buss. for one night only, and he had never been to a Terma in his life, so there we were.

I was hanging out with a garota which I met in a previous trip, she even came over to my apartment the following day for more action, just for fun (No $), again this was during a previous trip to Rio. So this time around we are chillin in the bar area, chating and groping and all of the other stuff that typically happens in the Terma, and my buddy is having a blast with two other garotas.

This garota I am with is very impressed with my improvement in speaking her language as compared to my previous visit to Brasil, she and I have good chemistry both in and out of the sac. So at one point she tells me that it is her roomates birthday that very same night, and she is celebrating her aniversario at a gay club in Copa by Rual Pompei, I forget the name now. At any rate, she suggests that we go to the club after she gets out of Luomo's and get to meet her roomate, so that hopefully there is also some chemistry between me and her roomate, and then go to my apartment in Ipanema for the dupla party, ( no money involved ), God, I love this country.

Now, all of this is good, but there was one glitch, she said she would like to go to her apartment first, to get some weed, so that we can use it later at my apartment. Gentlemen, please take note that I have never been stopped by the police in Brasil before for anything, not once ( I have been to Brasil 5 times). I party hard, but I am am very cautious when it comes to that crap.

I did not like the idea of being in a taxi that also had drugs in it. I explained this to her, and she insisted that it was not a big deal (yea right, for her, not me the tourist). I at that moment, told her I would think about it, and I did. I decided to bang her at the terma, get rid of all my stored cum, so as to not be tempted to go later on with her. We had sex like animals in the cabina. Then I told her that we could get together the following afternoon, cause I had to wake up early to have breakfast with my buddy who was only in town for that night.

I know what some of you are thinking, passing up on a potential dupla for free? You fool! That just goes to show you how spoiled I get in Brasil, it was not even an issue for me, cause it has happenned before, and it will happen again ( threesome). She was not happy with my decision, to say the least.

I leave at 1:30 am from the terma, and I take a taxi back to my place in Ipanema, and guess what happenned in Arpaodor (forget how to spell it now), yep, you guessed it, a cop pulls the taxi over, they do a detailed search of everything on me, and also the taxi, which I told them I wanted to stand by him (officer) and watch him search the car ( because he might plant some drug and then say it was mine). He even tells me ( very sarcastically and with a pain in the ass look on his face), that my color copy of the passport and my drivers lic. and social security card looks good, but that I am also fortunate to have a copy of my visa too, cause if not he would take me in. "Whatever, just do what you gotta do, so I can move on, was my attitude." Ofcourse, I was polite, and just went with the flow. He also mentioned that I know alot of portuguese for a tourist, and I said I love the country and its people, so I decided to learn a bit. So after 30 minutes of this posturing and chit chat ( yes, 30 freaken minutes of this crap), he noticed that I would have stayed there all night if I had to, so he told me to take a hike.

Now, there I was thinking, what if this same asswipe pulls me over with my Luomo honey and her roomate with a bag of weed in the taxi, but at a later time in the night, at the same location. There was a high likelyhood of this occurring, cause this is the most common rua used to get from Rua Pompei ( copa) to Rua Visconde de Piraja ( Ipanema), near Leblon, where my apartment was located. I could just imagine the whole ordeal, going to jail, or coughing up 1000.00 reals or who knows what. I was fortunate, but it was due to a good decision made earlier in the night.

Gentlemen, think with the head upstairs as much as you can, and don't let the other head (peter), think for you and let your guard down. Good Luck, and be safe while having fun. Laters!

Full Throttle
07-30-06, 21:53
That happened to Ibiza, me and two friends about a month ago. It also happened to another friend and his garota a couple of months before that. Ours weren't nearly as thorough as yours, but they had really scary guns. Ibiza was under the influence of acei, which didn't help.

FT

Almotu
07-30-06, 21:59
You made the RIGHT call man. Good for you. Now the next question is why don't you stay in Copacabana? Or the next time that offer is on the table, just go to your amiga's apartment and do the deed there? You sure her roommate is a chick? What is the story of celebrating at a gay club? Very fishy.

El Greco
07-30-06, 22:36
1-Call American to find out if they can allow a layover at Sao and for how much.

2- Try Encontros on Brasilian yahoo. But not too many english speaking there.

3- Try Gol airline. Better prices through internet. Night flights are cheaper.
Book well ahead, They only accept American Express credit cards or
the Brasilian ones.
Avoid Varig for a while. They are in big problems.


El Greco

Droplet
07-31-06, 00:04
And yes, there is a regular licensed masseuse there, rates vary but I think they are about $60R, around $25. I think they have to have legitimate massage as part of the license to operate. Then the girls are independent contractors. Thus, in some places, you can put the room, entrance fee and bar on your credit card, but you are supposed to pay the girl in cash. Even this can normally be waived and pay the girl on your credit card if you run out of money.

DelictiThanks a lot for the msg. Just to clear it up, if I wanna take a girl for 40 min it will cost me about R200 but if I want a massage it will cost R60? This is including the room too? 40min? I always thought all the girls can do massage so if im not up for sex I can pick a girl and ask her to do a massage. So this is NOT the case? I won't have a choice who will do the massage?

Delecti
07-31-06, 00:08
1. My incoming flight comes in to Sao paolo on Thu Aug 10 then have a connecting flight to Rio. If i decide to just stop in Sao Paolo for a day, what are the means to head on to Rio? (any night bus / train / cheap local flights?)

Be careful: Most international destinations allow for a free stop in either direction. But you normally have to request the stop when/before you purchase your ticket. Once the ticket is issued, if you skip the Sao to Rio flight, they will cancel the rest of you itinerary. That means your ticket home! Then you get stuck buying a one-way ticket. So taking a carryon to avoid the problem of your luggage going on to Rio without you will not solve your problem. Make sure your interary is altered to allow the stop. If you use transportation other than AA, you are requesting what in airline terms is known as an open-jaw. Permissible under the fares, but normally must be done at time of ticketing.

Delicti

Mangera
07-31-06, 00:31
Brother, I am sure her roomate was a chick, she described her to me, but to your point about just doing her in her apartment, that was not an issue, the issue was going with her anywhere with weed on her.

As for the gay club deal, hey what can I say, she likes both men and women, and according to her, her roomate also likes both men and women. Thats Brasil for ya! As for me dude, the only Hershey highway I hit, is a garotas. She knew that.

Bubba Boy
07-31-06, 01:12
The gay cub(s) they were talking about is Le Boy and Le Girl. They are at Rua Raul Pompéia, 94. They are owned by the same people, as well as Bunker in the same complex. Le Boy is pretty much zero woman unless they have a special event or they open the door at Le Girl and let the 2 clubs mix. Le Girl on the other hand is half girls and half guys. The girls are like 50% terma girls, the guys are mostly gay, some tourists get dragged a long by the T girls. I have been dragged along as well a few times to Le Girl. I would not think it is a place to go to pick up T girls, generally they act pretty cool in the club and are there to interact with their friends etc. Everyone there knows each other.

I believe the fine for no passport is about R180. If you get stopped without it just ask to go to the Police station. Generally they will just let it drop, they are after a bribe, not really interested in taking you to the station. If you get caught with drugs then you are up for a bribe, don't really want to get dragged down to the station for that one. How much you pay will depend on how much they think you can afford. You could get away with R100, you could get fucked for over R1000. Not a good situation to be in. Definitely avoid carrying any drugs around or being in a car with some one carrying. Having said this if you must do it, doing it with a T girl is usually pretty safe, just get her to do the transporting when you are not there. Best to smoke at your place and don't open the door to anyone.

Ee2002
07-31-06, 01:44
Great choice Mangera, always say nope to dope LOL.Not worth the hassle, too much pussy in Rio to take an unnecessary risk like that.Then you gotta hang out at a gay club on top of that.

Mangera
07-31-06, 01:55
I could not remember, but Yes, Le Girl and Le Boy, close to each other.

Shemp
07-31-06, 03:13
Gentlemen,

I arrived Monday 7-17 for a week of termasizing on my 5th trip to rio. I've never met a termas I didn't like, until now. Like the man with no name- Clint- I found the good, the bad, & the ugly.

The UGLY

Termas Phoenix-After a good afternoon session at 4x4 on wed. afternoon I came back to my copa apt. to recuperate & try to get rid of the stomach bug I incurred at Monchique. I suddenly felt better & decided to check out Termas Phoenix. I called, the guy who answered spoke fair english, gave me directions & told me there were 9 garotas available. Since the staff usually exaggerates I was thinking the truth was probably 3 or 4. Anyway I popped a vitamin v, hopped in a cab & arrived about 9pm. Went in popped on my robe & entered the boite, where I found 7 garotas, 1 other customer, & a giant tv screen that was showing a news program that everybody was watching. Not the party vibe you like in a termas. After being attacked by a piranha blonde promising the world, I sent her away to relax for a few moments. I spied 3 garotas talking in the corner & I motioned 1 over. She was Patricia from somewhere near Bahia-a 6 at best. I quickly asked my usual questions including anal & she replied that she had only done it twice but was willing to try-not very promising. I said lets go for a cabine for 30 min.-she tried to upsell me saying the cabine wasn't very large, but since I was in a bargain joint I was going for the bargain price 90R.

Up the stairs we went & she wasn't kidding about the cabine, 2 feet of space at the end of the bed, none on the side, no table, no nightstand, no hooks for robes, nothing. After laying my robe on the edge of the bed, & setting my beer on the floor we went at it. Some fair bbbj & then screwing, but she was very dry inside. Unbelievably she had no lube. She said she had none & didn't bring anything into the cabine with her, at this point I knew the anal attempt was going to be a disaster. I tried the anal but it was like trying to screw a brick wall. Knowing my 30 mins. were about up I ripped off the condom & shoved her mouth onto my member finished with a lousy cim.

After the crummy session I walked thru the boite, now everybody is watching a soccer match, & took a quick shower & split. Total damage 121.50R-30R entrada, 90R for a 30 min. session, girl & cabine included, & 1.50R for the beer, the only good thing about the joint-a chopp is 1.50, & wed. nite is 2 fer 1.

To review, I wouldn't send my worst enemy there, well maybe I would, too few garotas, unattractive garotas, lousy facilities, services promised & not rendered,-the cheap price doesn't make up for everything else. 2 thumbs down.

The BAD

Made 2 trips to termas monte carlo, on tues. for the internet 60R special discount & on sat. for the hell of it. Both times I left disappointed. Monte Carlo has gotten some bad press in the past but I always left satisfied but this time was different. Both nites the talent was fair, but I had a hard time finding a garota who would do anal-which is why I come to Rio in the 1st place, for the back door.

On tues. I was promised anal by Leticia, but just like the girl @ Phoenix, another brick wall. It took my finger but not my schlong-another disappointing lousy cim. On sat. I approached 1 blonde, walking over from across the room, sat down next to her & said oi, como vai?, she said oi & returned to talking to her friend. I asked her about the beach & she again blew me off to talk to her friend. If she doesn't want to talk to the clients, get screwed & make some money, why in the hell is she there???? Anyway I ended up with some other chick, 28 years old, no anal-but since the vitamin v was pitching a tentpole in the boite I went with her for a mediocore session.

At this point in time I don't recommend this place-tough to find anal, mediocore talent, disappointing performances.

The GOOD

Went to 4x4 wed., & thur. aftenoons-the 170R 1-hr. before 5 special is the best big-time termas deal in town. The talent really was only fair but because of my poor sessions at the other joints I was afraid to try anybody new. To get my hot anal fixes I procured 2 excellent performers from my trip in may, chisa & elena-2 little blonda bunda specialists that leave a man bone-dry of any fluids.

Went to Luomos mon., fri. & sun.-on my trip in may I was there 4 times so I was pretty familiar with the talent. Monday was Darla, super affectionate but another bunda disappointment-another brick wall-maybe my schlong is getting wider as I get older-she told me my pau was too grosso.

Friday I was interviewing a blonde, everything was perfect & then I asked the anal question & she said no, it hurts too much. I immediately started scanning the room for other prospects & spotted another blonde who was with another guy. The girl I was with called out to the other girl, Nara, & said "faz bunda" she replied "sim" & called her over & I did a switcheroo with the other guy, now that's service & trying to make the customer happy. I proceeded to have a good anal session with her.

Sunday I went in for my last night & finally had a session with Babi, a short-blonde anal specialist. Was highly recommended by a friend in may but I couldn't connect with her because she was always busy. I spotted her when I walked in & immediately set it up with her. She showed me a fantastic time-anal included.

So anyway a good session can be found but it's not easy to find the blonde, cute, anal specialists that I require. I will return on sept. 25 for more investigation. I will post on the other aspects of my trip soon.

Your stooge, shemp

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Tiradentes
07-31-06, 03:27
To Mangera

I am sorry about your incident with the policia.

Do you mind, for the sake of your fellow mongers, describe your demeanor that night? In other words, were you drunk, or did you do anything that might prompt the police to do a through reasearch on you when you were pulled over?

And if you don't mind me asking, are you white, black, asian, etc?

Because usually when the police pulls overe a cab with a tourist in it (just one tourist) , they let him go.

It is just i am scared shit of stories like this.

Bravo
07-31-06, 04:16
Brother, I am sure her roomate was a chick, she described her to me, but to your point about just doing her in her apartment, that was not an issue, the issue was going with her anywhere with weed on her.

As for the gay club deal, hey what can I say, she likes both men and women, and according to her, her roomate also likes both men and women. Thats Brasil for ya! As for me dude, the only Hershey highway I hit, is a garotas. She knew that.


I can definately understand why you were nervous about the Tgirl having drugs on her, BUT, wouldnt 20R have fixed the whole situation? You could have met her after L closed, put her in a cab handed her 20R and then jumped in a different cab and met her at the club. You missed out on a whole night of hot sex with a girl, over a few reais?

Mangera
07-31-06, 04:38
See, if I would have proposed that idea, she would have felt insulted. So whats the point, we have a disagreement and it would have ended right there anyway.

As for hot sex, I had already given her the sausage ealier that night, and as for the threesome, it will happen on the next trip. I have kept lines of communication open with her, and we already had a talk about a possible threesome party on my next trip, but under my conditions.

My conditions basically means having them go to my apartment while I wait for them there, and hopefully at an earlier time in the night than at 6 am when I am already dragging major ass ( dead tired), especially for a 2 on 1 party.

Bubba Boy
07-31-06, 05:38
To many kinky babes willing to do pretty much anything you want and only having enough bullets to get a couple per day.......

Mangera
07-31-06, 12:58
I was no where near drunk, I only drank bottled water at Luomos. I am hispanic, infact, I look more brasilian than american. As for my demeanor, I was cool, calm and collective. If anything, I think that just added more fuel to the fire, cause he was just looking for any excuse to try and hit me up for a bribe.

The incident itself does not surprise me ( police officer pulling over a taxi with a tourist in it), if anything, just the location where they where stationed. I have heard of this kind of crap before happenning in Rio, but not in Arpoador (near Ipanema). I know that a common place where it happens quite a bit is on the road to Barra de Tijuca, usually at night.

Tiradentes, do not be scared, thats what this forum is all about, reading, getting informed, so that it helps you avoid putting yourself in a bad situation, as well as learning to make the best of it, when one may arise.

Mangera
07-31-06, 13:06
I am in total agreement, thats why I mentioned in an earlier post that I do not worry so much about missing out on a potential lay, there are just too many options and oppurtunities out there.

I try explaining this to my buddies back home in the States, and they just can't seem to grasp this concept, they refuse to believe it. It is amazing, but the one or two friends that have taken by advise, and have taken the trip to Rio, now totally understand this concept.

"To many kinky babes willing to do pretty much anything you want and only having enough bullets to get a couple per day......." written by Bubba Boy

What a great problem to have, trying to figure out how you will be using those bullets. Constantly trying to reload with plenty of fluids, so there can be as much production of milk to distribute to the ladies ( pros and non-pros).

I wonder if there is a Brasilian version of Don King out there, that says " Only in Brasil ", cause if there isn't one, there should be. Laters!

Rock the Casbah
07-31-06, 15:12
I booked my tickets to Rio last week from Newark ($860 via American Airlines - August 9 - 20). Will be applying for the visa this tuesday.

I have read the boards and the information is wonderful but there still are 2. Brasil has been a long time destination for me. I am looking for a good mixture of soaking in the culture/place along with mongering. From what I read a 3 day trip to the amazon area, Manaus looks very interesting. Has anyone flown to manaus and taken a ride on the amazon for a day or two? IS that option valid in August? What are the costs like?

4. In eastern europe, most english speaking students use ICQ. So I genereally make contacts before I leave USA and meet up with locals there. What messenger program / chat site is most popular in Brazil? (Preferably where enough people know english - univerisity students usually do).

5. For air travel within Brasil, are there low cost airlines which charge resonable for last minute booking? (travel between Rio, Manaus, Salvador) Should I just go to the airport and buy the tickets or buy tickets from travel agencies in the city first?

Thanks in advance.

RMsn messenger rather than ICQ seems to be the most common system..

Flights within Brazil can be very expensive. Look into getting an airpass before you leave (rio-manaus can be 500 dollars plus) - TAM have one also Varig - except Varig is in trouble at the moment so probably shd be avoided...last time I used airmiles to get internal flights

Manaus is great - I stayed in an "eco-lodge " on the Rio Negro - fabulous
and Manaus itself is great for pro and non-pro girls - generally less good looking but some gems and much cheaper than rio/sp

Rio Bob
07-31-06, 19:46
To Mangera

I am sorry about your incident with the policia.

Do you mind, for the sake of your fellow mongers, describe your demeanor that night? In other words, were you drunk, or did you do anything that might prompt the police to do a through reasearch on you when you were pulled over?

And if you don't mind me asking, are you white, black, asian, etc?

Because usually when the police pulls overe a cab with a tourist in it (just one tourist) , they let him go.

It is just i am scared shit of stories like this.

This is normal procedure in Rio, doesn't matter who you are.

Happened to me over a year ago going to Ipanema in a taxi with 2 girls and 2 guys, cops went through everything, let us go but it was upsetting. The girls told me this is normal, happens all the time.

Last year I met a group of African Americans who rented a penthouse in Barra because they wanted to get something newer and nicer than what you can get in Copacabana, they loved the apartment but told me they would never stay outside Copa again because they got stopped by the police everynight they went home, they were rather distraught about the matter and I know how they felt because you can't trust them as they will set you up.

I will add one thing though that the cop did not decide to frisk us until I spoke to him in Portuguese, he was very surprised and asked me, do you speak Portuguese? When I told him a little, he told us to get out of the car. I only speak Portuguese because of the girls but Im just wondering if he thought it was for another reason.

Bubba Boy
07-31-06, 22:20
Pretty much every time you go up through Av. Niemeyer, expect to get stopped by the Police. This is the street that winds along the coast through Leblom and past Rocinha, basically the coastal way to Barra. Pretty much every time we have been there we get stopped, it is so automatic everyone reminds each other to take the passports. I believe they roadblock it because it is between 2 of the biggest favelas in the area. Rocinha and Vidigal. The 2 favelas fight a lot and when they do the body count is quite high. I would think this is why the black american dudes got stopped every night.

You can avoid it if you take the other road through the tunnel which basically entails following the logoa through the back of Ipanema. This my preferred route.

Almotu
07-31-06, 23:55
Do Policia stop taxis within Copa/Leme? I don't remember ever being stopped personally but then again I have not be in Rio for about a year. Can anyone comment on the current situation?

GDP having drugs on their person. I never discuss nor encourage drug use with a GDP. Never let one under the influence close to me. I don't even like them if they drink too much. So what happens if she is with you in a taxi and she do not tell you she is carrying when the Police stop happens?!
"I don't know nothing about this." probably won't wash, huh?

Do we now have to ask specifically if a GDP has illegal substances on her as part of the screening process even if you are just taking her 10 blocks to your hotel? (not to Ipanema?)

Leblon
08-01-06, 04:34
It is quite normal that taxis are stopped by police at Arpoador by weekend nights, if you are coming from direction of Cobacapana (Help) and going to direction of the Ipanema. They stop tourists of all colors, if you have girs in the car. They are looking for drugs, what has happened to me is that they don't check the girl, only the guys. Not very friendly looking police men, looking for bribes for sure.


I was no where near drunk, I only drank bottled water at Luomos. I am hispanic, infact, I look more brasilian than american. As for my demeanor, I was cool, calm and collective. If anything, I think that just added more fuel to the fire, cause he was just looking for any excuse to try and hit me up for a bribe.

The incident itself does not surprise me ( police officer pulling over a taxi with a tourist in it), if anything, just the location where they where stationed. I have heard of this kind of crap before happenning in Rio, but not in Arpoador (near Ipanema). I know that a common place where it happens quite a bit is on the road to Barra de Tijuca, usually at night.

Tiradentes, do not be scared, thats what this forum is all about, reading, getting informed, so that it helps you avoid putting yourself in a bad situation, as well as learning to make the best of it, when one may arise.

Henry R
08-01-06, 05:20
Just curious about Help Disco. I was in Rio last November. Shortly before I left the US for Rio, there were several forum postings that Help was definitely going to close down by the end of 2005 and condos would later be built in its place. Well, it looks like Help is still open. Does anyone know what happened with the plans to close it?

Strad
08-01-06, 16:22
I am visiting Rio soon, would like to get some recommendations from someone who had great experience with a masseuse. Any independent Massage Parlor besides something called Termas?

Thank you!

Strad

Full Throttle
08-01-06, 21:09
Gentlemen,
The UGLY

...I tried the anal but it was like trying to screw a brick wall. Knowing my 30 mins. were about up I ripped off the condom & shoved her mouth onto my member finished with a lousy cim...


...On tues. I was promised anal by Leticia, but just like the girl @ Phoenix, another brick wall. It took my finger but not my schlong-another disappointing lousy cim...

Rarely do you see "cim" in the consolation section.

Regarding your experience at Phoenix, I would point out that they have only recently reopened and may become a very good place. They need to attract customers and, in turn, garotas to be successful. It would be great to have another competitor in Copa.

My experience there dates back to the Bononia days. Then, I found the facilities pretty nice. They had all of the basics: robes, a comfortable boite, shower facilities and a good sound system to go with the big screen tv. Interesting, that is actually a distraction. The night I was there, the girls would watch the music videos rather than dance to the songs themselves a la Luomos.

Speaking of Luomos, went there with Ibiza on Sunday night. I think it really is in a league of its own in Copa. I LOVE the 1-floor concept. Having the boite, relax area, showers, lockers, the girls' dressing room and some of the cabinas on the same level is much nicer than the up-and-down format of most termas. Planned to go with Babi and even sat with her on the couch. But, we didn't seem to connect. Ended up with a great girl.

Still, I just can't do the main termas these days. Maybe if I only went to Rio every few months, I could justify it, but spending 300R on entrance, drinks, a cabin and the company of a girl for 40 minutes just doesn't work. That's nearly 4 1-hour sessions at the nice massage places downtown (or 3 40-min. duplas), 3 sessions with Ibiza's girlfriend (who I plan to do in his absence this month), or 1.5 before 5pm sessions at Cancun or 4x4.

FT

El Austriaco
08-01-06, 23:08
I know that a common place where it happens quite a bit is on the road to Barra de Tijuca, usually at night.
You are absolutely right about that one. In 2004, they once stopped me in a legal blitz in Sao Conrado, coming from Barra da Tijuca in the early Sunday morning hours. The only other time I've ever been stopped was on Ilha do Governador, again at night on a weekend (in a failed attempt to extort a bribe). Other than that, the only cabs I have seen getting pulled over were in the Flamengo area coming from Centro. I've never been stopped in a cab anywhere else during all this time I've spent in Rio.

Mangera, the way you describe the incident, it seems you just got caught in a routine blitz. Everything the cop did and said seems perfectly legal to me.

When carrying a passport copy, IMHO, it is absolutely crucial to also make a copy of the entry card (cartao de entrada). The cops are not really all that interested in who you are, but whether you are in Brazil legally or not. When I was stopped on Ilha do Governador, that´s what the cops pointed out to me... that they would have to fine me since I couldn´t establish that I was in Brazil legally. Even if you carry your original passport, not having the entry card with you is a violation in and by itself since it is to be carried together with a form of ID.

Still, I think just the risk of possibly getting pulled over with a girl carrying drugs underscores yet once again how much better it is to do them onsite. Which pretty much excludes Help girls... not that I have a problem with that.

EA

One Eyed Man
08-02-06, 02:10
my color copy of the passport and my drivers lic. and social security card looks good, but that I am also fortunate to have a copy of my visa too, Are color copies of your passport and visa absolutely necessary? Did the cop specifically ask for a color copy? Just wondering, since color copies are a little harder to come by (versus "free" from the office copy machine.) If so, I've been living dangerously, walking around with my b&w copies.

Benjoe
08-02-06, 18:19
Are color copies of your passport and visa absolutely necessary? Did the cop specifically ask for a color copy? Just wondering, since color copies are a little harder to come by (versus "free" from the office copy machine.) If so, I've been living dangerously, walking around with my b&w copies.I've been told that color copies aren't necessay, but what is necessary (if you want to go by the letter of the law) is to have your copies of your passport photo and information pages and the visa stamp page notarized in Brasil by a "notario" or "cartoria".

Mangera
08-02-06, 18:37
To be honest with you, I think it would be better to carry a passport than a copy( black or colored). I just happen to make mine in color. But it is an added burden to carry your passport around, pain in the ass if it is stolen or you lose it. This topic has been discussed at length before in this forum.

Most say a paasport is necc., but from my encounter with the police last month, seems that it is acceptable.

I am in Medellin right now, for the first time. My first night, I walked up to a police office, and asked if carrying a copy of my passport was good enough ( of course with my passport in my pocket), he said yes. Well, one less thing to worry about. Laters!

Bravo
08-03-06, 01:20
You are absolutely right about that one. In 2004, they once stopped me in a legal blitz in Sao Conrado, coming from Barra da Tijuca in the early Sunday morning hours. The only other time I've ever been stopped was on Ilha do Governador, again at night on a weekend (in a failed attempt to extort a bribe). Other than that, the only cabs I have seen getting pulled over were in the Flamengo area coming from Centro. I've never been stopped in a cab anywhere else during all this time I've spent in Rio.

Mangera, the way you describe the incident, it seems you just got caught into a routine blitz. Everything the cop did and said seems perfectly legal to me.

When carrying a passport copy, IMHO, it is absolutely crucial to also make a copy of the entry card (cartao de entrada). The cops are not really all that interested in who you are, but whether you are in Brazil legally or not. When I was stopped on Ilha do Governador, that´s what the cops pointed out to me... that they would have to fine me since I couldn´t establish that I was in Brazil legally. Even if you carry your original passport, not having the entry card with you is a violation in and by itself since it is to be carried together with a form of ID.

Still, I think just the risk of possibly getting pulled over with a girl carrying drugs underscores yet once again how much better it is to do them onsite. Which pretty much excludes Help girls... not that I have a problem with that.

EA

Wont your passport have you entry stamp on it, what would you need the card for? They can see on your passport when you entered the country.

Pimpolho
08-03-06, 05:08
If you don't feel well with a simple copy of your passport or other document go to any Cártorio (register office) and make there a "cópia autenticada" (attested copy) like the Brazilians have.

They do it for you immediately. It takes only few minutes. I can't remember how much I paid for it but it was only few R$.

Cártorio in Copacabana:

Av. Nossa Senhora de Copacabana, 1181 - Loja, ´´A´´

Cártorio in Ipanema:

Rua Visconde de Pirajá, 82

For Cártorios in other districts or cities you can search here:

www.mj.gov.br/CartorioInterConsulta/index.html

El Austriaco
08-03-06, 07:09
Wont your passport have you entry stamp on it, what would you need the card for? They can see on your passport when you entered the country.
But it does not always clearly show how long you are allowed to stay: I´ve been given anything from 30 to 90 days in the past, at the FP's whim upon entry, and whatever number of days they scribbled on the stamp simply is not legible. It is usually clearly legible on the entry card.

If you want to extend your stay with the FP, your entry card is also required (in addition to your passport, of course). As far as I see it, for all legal ends and purposes, that is your ticket in Brazil (in addition to a form of ID, which is your passport).

So instead of specifically copying the page in your passport with the entry stamp, you might as well just copy the entry card and be done with it. As others have said before, go to a cartório to have it notarized.

EA

Rio Video
08-04-06, 09:51
I am a newbie and I am going to RIO for the first time with a couple of buddies in September. Does anyone know what a Festinha is ?

Also has anyone used Company Girl http://www.companygirl.com.br/principal.asp or can refer any other agencies?

Sperto
08-04-06, 13:41
Beach-movie. Filmed in front of Othon Palace.
You might recognise some girls.
http://www.sexuploader.com/?d=OSHQV0Z9

Bubba Boy
08-04-06, 16:16
A festa is a party, in Portuguese to you can add a "diminutive" IE "inha" to the end of a word to change the meaning slightly. In this case a Festinha is a little party. Most things with "inha" on the end is a little something of the subject.

So basically a Festinha on a escort website is a small party of 4 or 5 girls that come over at the same time and have some fun. You can of course have a festinha by yourself or with a good friend.

company girl is ok, they do try the bait and switch to a point. Some times the girls are real, not a bad choice just have low expectations.

Ibiza007
08-04-06, 16:51
Hello FT - Hey, she is my girlfriend!!!!!!.....Just kidding as you know. You will have fun, A lot of fun.

And, I saw your blond girlfriend on Wednesday :-) , Karina? she is a real go getter, loves her work.

My other friend showed up Ten minutes after I started with Karina, So she will have to wait till September.

I agree about Luomo, it was really nice and a great night, but the bill was close to R$300, and as FT and I know, you can have several very interesting adventures in centro, for a lot less, i.e., the dupla I had last week for 1 hour for $R120.

About Luomo, Lana is recomended, straight black hair, skinny as a stick, not a bunda lovers first choice. She punched me for not lasting the full 40 min.

Regarding big bunda, some of these girls are half a banana away from just being plain ole fat. What is the dividing line between, Bunda, and fat?

I am in the states for all of august, I need a rest. Back Sept - Dec.

Last three days in Rio.

Monday - Dupla for lunch (1 hr), single for dinner (3 hrs),
Tuesday - Single for dinner 1.5 hrs
Wed - 1.0 hr lunch
3 days - 5 girls, $R400, vs one evening in Centarus (with a few whiskey red bulls)

IBZ

Full Throttle
08-04-06, 18:57
So, you took Karina? Man, I leave for one day. That's NOT good news for Babi. She'll probably change her number before you come back.

As much as I would like to say that I'm swearing off termas in favor of the Centro girls, Ibiza's girlfriends, Balcony girls, Princesa Isabela girls, and my $100R Help Veranda girls, I can't. If poker is a sport, then "robing" should be in the olympics. It's just too much fun. It's not worth Centauras' price, perhaps, but a $300 hit every month or two plus 2 $200 downtown terma events is reasonable.

FT

Toshw2
08-04-06, 19:54
Beach-movie. Filmed in front of Othon Palace.

You might recognise some girls.

http://www.sexuploader.com/?d=OSHQV0Z9Nice vid plenty more of these are on the CandidRio website and via the file sharing networks.

Rio Bob
08-04-06, 23:48
Beach-movie. Filmed in front of Othon Palace.
You might recognise some girls.
http://www.sexuploader.com/?d=OSHQV0Z9

Great little movie of Ho beach, sort of reminds me of my home movies. Thanks, I really enjoyed it.

Off Road
08-05-06, 19:57
When carrying a passport copy, IMHO, it is absolutely crucial to also make a copy of the entry card (cartao de entrada). The cops are not really all that interested in who you are, but whether you are in Brazil legally or not. When I was stopped on Ilha do Governador, that´s what the cops pointed out to me... that they would have to fine me since I couldn´t establish that I was in Brazil legally. Even if you carry your original passport, not having the entry card with you is a violation in and by itself since it is to be carried together with a form of ID. EAI had never thought of carrying the entry card with me. Good advice. Thanks

Off Road
08-05-06, 20:20
I am not writing this as my personal version of “I told you so!”, or to judge or embarrass another monger, no. I am writing this as a reminder to everyone that even highly intelligent, rational, successful men that act 100% normal in all other aspects of life can lose their cool in Rio

EAEA. Written very well, and non-judegmental.

Ken_Apples
08-07-06, 09:38
Hi Gents!

Does anyone here have information about the crime-security problems that we face/might run in to here in Brazil compared to those in Colombia?

Thinking about a trip to Colombia, just to experiece, but would love to get some information about the crime there versus here.

I Personally have had no problem in Brazil, - still I know ugly things do happen.
If the same goes for Colombia, then it might just be worth a visit.

But if you cant walk the streets, relax and have a good time, then theres lots of other places better suited for hobbying.

Best regards to all, and hope for some inputs.

Cheers / Ken

El Austriaco
08-07-06, 18:11
Hi Gents!

Does anyone here have information about the crime-security problems that we face/might run in to here in Brazil compared to those in Colombia?

But if you cant walk the streets, relax and have a good time, then theres lots of other places better suited for hobbying.

I have spent much more time in Brazil, specifically in Rio, than in Colombia, where my experience is essentially limited to two weeks in Cartagena and Barranquilla on the coast. I' ve been to Bogota once, too, but just for a day, and I was accompanied by a local the whole time, so... Medellin is on my list of places to visit, but so far, I haven´t made it there yet. Same goes for SP.

Since you seem to have the same security concerns I had, I will chime in, for what it´s worth. Had been thinking for years about going to Colombia before I finally took the plunge last year... after pondering the decision long and hard. By and large, I found the hype about extreme danger everywhere in Colombia to be unfounded. Overall, I would say that you have to be careful in both Colombia and Brazil: I wouldn't recommend them as first-time destinations for someone who, say, has never made it out of Madison, Wisconsin. But I do think that with some traveling experience under your belt, especially in Latin America, with some language skills, common sense and an extra dose of caution, you should be fine in either place. Do I see a major safety differential between the two places? No, I don't.

More in detail:

Rio has a bad rep insofar as crime is concerned, mainly because of the ongoing warefare between rivaling drug gangs and the resulting skyrocketing body count. Needless to say, as a casual tourist, chances that you will get involved in this are marginal at best and relatively easily avoided (by staying away from critical areas, like the favelas). Does this and other types of crime affect innocent bystanders at times? Yes, it does... and there is nothing you can do about it, as demonstrated by the Balcony incident back in May (just like it can affect you in Colombia). The problem in Copacabana, especially in the P4P areas, is that as a tourist, you are targeted for crime (mostly petty crime, but still). You might consider staying in Ipanema or elsewhere and just travel to Copa for your P4P activities. When on the prowl in Copacabana, just be careful, and DON'T walk the streets after dark. Relax, but be aware of your surroundings.

Colombia has a bad reputation because of FARC activities (including kidnappings of foreigners), which affect some parts of the country and not others. Needless to say, stay out of these areas. In the past couple of years, most major cities have been deemed relatively safe, while intercity bus travel, especially at night, is still considered off-limits by many (except for the CTG/BAQ segment). Like the favelas in Brazilian cities, all major Colombian cities have bad areas (barrios), which you should stay clear off at any and all times. For a first-time visitor, I would recommend Cartagena: it´s certainly not worse than Rio, security-wise, you can get through with little or no Spanish, and P4P is not bad. Go there first to get a feeling for the country and go from there. In the rest of Colombia, like in Barranquilla, I think Spanish skills are a must (just like in other parts of Brazil, Portuguese is a must). Of course, since Medellin is becoming a major tourist destination for gringo mongers, you might do just fine with English as long as you stick to the narrow, well-trodden gringo path. Just like Rio.

In other words, common security precautions that you would take in Rio (or anywhere else in the world) will serve you equally well in Colombia. If in doubt, err on the side of caution, keep a low profile, be especially careful at night, don't get involved with drugs, stay out of fights, etc. While shit can happen at any time, more likely than not, you will be perfectly fine.

A while ago, I wrote a detailed comparison Rio/Cartagena, including a bit on safety:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=422385&postcount=25

And some time ago, I wrote a long list of safety recommendations for Rio. I think most of them apply to Colombia accordingly, even though there are slight differences in the details (like ATM operating hours, cab's don't use a meter in many places in Colombia, etc.):

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=321607&postcount=257

Conclusion: Sticking to certain safety precautions is crucial in both places and WILL make you relax, thereby greatly contributing to your overall experience. Can you walk the streets safely? Yes, you can, but not at all times, and not everywhere. Will those limitations greatly impair your P4P experience in either place? No, they won't. In a way, this reminds me of what they say about mountaineering: "Making the summit is optional... coming back is not". Only safe mongering is smart mongering. IMHO, Rio and Colombia require roughly the same amount and very similar precautions.

Since I haven´t been to SP or Medellin and only once to Bogotá, these comments of mine may be of limited use to you, but there are many others that would like to contribute, I am sure. Really hope that Cachorro, who has much more experience in Colombia than I do, particularly in Medellin, will help me fill in the blanks and provide more details. Cachorro, where are you?

EA

Ken_Apples
08-08-06, 00:06
Thanks, man! :)

Just the kind of reply I was looking for.

The links was also good and informative.

Overall the kind of well-written stuff that we should be giving each other more of, here on the forum. Can't understand why people start fighting over reports and oppinion. It's just reports, use it or don't use it, but dont flame it.

If everybody where writing stuff like El Austriaco, it would benefit us all - What I would assume is the point of the forum.

Happy hunting to all of you, and thanks again ElA.

Best Regards / Ken.

King Of Crunk
08-08-06, 03:13
Hello all on the board,

I will be embarking on my second trip to Rio this year only difference is that I'm going dolo, this will be the final destination on a 3 city tour Sao Paulo-Buenos Aires-Rio De Janeiro,goals are hit some of the lesser known Termas and try to pull regular girls non-pros, also hit the nightclub scene, and just chill. The reason why I am writing is that if any fellow monger/s are planning on being in the area why not sit down at Meia Pataca and have a drink or two and share intel on our travels I'm not really here to make new lifelong buddies or any shit like that but you know maybe share some cab fare or what not or just a look out partner from time to time during the course of the week, I'm a young cat definately down with the hip hop and what not but dont dress like that anymore, I feel my Portuguese has gotten better since last year, so if anyone is interested give me a shout or holla aight peace out fellas.

El Greco
08-09-06, 16:05
[QUOTE=

Since I haven´t been to SP or Medellin and only once to Bogotá, these comments of mine may be of limited use to you, but there are many others that would like to contribute, I am sure. Really hope that Cachorro, who has much more experience in Colombia than I do, particularly in Medellin, will help me fill in the blanks and provide more details. Cachorro, where are you?

EA[/QUOTE]

I spent almost 3 weeks last January in Medellin. I found it to be the safest place in Colombia. No problem at all. Visited Bogota, Cartagena, Barranquilla and Cali too.
Only in Cartagena I had a minor incident on my way,early morning, to the hotel. Finally the guy went off although he already had pulled out a home made knife.

Stay in Poblado. Looks like you are somewhere in Europe, Switcherland maybe.

El Greco

Sunset Strip
08-10-06, 22:25
i was at mabs restaurant last evening and it was pretty slow. there were few girls there but i had three at my table. anyway, i left to put some things away in the apartment (valuables i left out when i left) and then saw one of the girls (elizabeth) passing by my place as i was returning to mabs. i talked to her and she agreed to come up for r$150 for all night.

around 2am i was drinking, admiring the view of the beach when i noticed she was standing by the door. she had the keys in her hand so i snatched them from her.
she claimed (2am) she saw robbers (bandidos) on the security camera. i looked but saw nothing. i called the security guy and he said he had not let any unknowns in.

she looked real disappointed when i called the security guy. plus, why would you grab the keys if you thought robbers were outside the door? she claimed she was trying to lock the other locks. (ah, ok)

she also kept peeking under the door, telling me to be quiet because ¨they¨were out there.
elizabeth also made some comments about me being a tourist and people wanting to get me. somehow despite out of all the people in rio i was the target of bandits. well the only way that would be true i told her is that she had set me up!

i finally told her to get her stuff and leave. it seemed obvious to me she had taken some drugs that made her paranoid or/and she had tried to set me up.

i have made bad reports about elizabeth from mabs before, but this is the first time it got really weird. for those who give gdps ¨psyche¨tests before taking them home, this girl (she is actually in her 40s) would fail.
beware.

tj

Helpmann
08-11-06, 12:54
In June, I had a good time at 2a2 in Copa and I'm interested in checking out a few more swing clubs when I return in October. Can anyone recommend some good swing clubs in Rio and/or rate the clubs below?

Thanks,
Helpmann :)

1 Henri Club Cafe
Casal Fantasia
Club New York
Mistura Certa Club

Ee2002
08-11-06, 22:22
.I have made bad reports about Elizabeth from Mabs before, but this is the first time it got really weird. For those who give GDPS ¨psyche¨tests before taking them home, this girl (she is actually in her 40s) would fail.
Beware.

TJ

Thanks for the warning but I was just wondering why there was a second time. She must have been real good for being in her 40's and having given you problems in the past.

Sunset Strip
08-12-06, 02:25
Yeah (I am laughing right now as I type away in Tele Rede internet shop on Avenida Copacabana). Acutally she is not that bad of a lay. I have never got a BJ from her, however. And when she puts a condom on you it hurts. But she gets very wet and has real orgasms.

Also, she always goes to the market, buys food, cooks dinner, and stays the night for R$100-150.

But she IS crazy. My last reports were about her sitting in the apartment lobby waiting for me when I would get home and her insistence that she be allowed in a therma with me!

Another monger took her from Mabs tonight. He has blond hair (unlike me) and always wears nice polo-type shirts (as do I).

TJ

Droplet
08-12-06, 02:31
I was in rio last year and I was too scared to take my digital camera when I went out at night which was a shame because I wished I had those pictures.

Im going back to rio next week. and i have plans to take some nice photos of beach at sunset. I didnt feel threatened last summer but I was made very scared by the talks and people around me. What do you guys think?

Worth the risk?

Java Man
08-12-06, 08:25
droplet:
what kind of camera is it? a Digital SLR with Telephoto Zoom lens, flash and tripod, or a digital point & shoot?
do you have a wingman, or are you flying solo? either way, be aware of your surroundings, and who is near you. take a good hard look.
are you thinking of actually going on the beach to take your pic? if so, be ready to run, just in case.
i suggest taking the pic near one of the kiosks. the ones in front of the Copacabana Palace are brand new and ususally busier, hence more people around. wipe it out, take the pic, and put it away quickly. the less attention you draw to yourself the better. thats the rule i follow in the daytime.

El Austriaco
08-12-06, 19:09
i was in rio last year and i was too scared to take my digital camera when i went out at night which was a shame because i wished i had those pictures.

im going back to rio next week. and i have plans to take some nice photos of beach at sunset. i didnt feel threatened last summer but i was made very scared by the talks and people around me. what do you guys think?

worth the risk?
while taking pictures at the most popular tourist attractions (sugarloaf mountain, cristo redentor, etc.) carries little security risks, taking pictures in copacabana has always been a great source of frustration for me: with so many worthy subjects around, i would just kick myself in the ass for missing them, but carrying good, bulky, high-priced equipment around is very risky in places like copacabana, especially so at night, and even more so in the p4p places. so here are my rio photo recommendations. needless to say, while they pertain mostly to digital cameras (which i recommend), they apply to conventional cameras accordingly.

camera:

1. the smaller the camera, the better. take a point-and-shoot (pas) that is the size of, say, a pack of cigarettes, something you can easily hide in the pockets of your shirt or your pants. the less conspicuous, the better. don´t buy the camera in rio... they are expensive. especially when taking pictures at night, e.g. of the girls and the crowd at the usual p4p hangouts in copacabana or, say, inside help, a small camera is really the only way to go. in addition to being less visible, your chances of taking candid shots increase remarkably.

2. bring a table tripod. they are really cheap and allow you long-time exposures (> 1/30 sec) while avoiding the cumbersomeness of handling a full-scale tripod. the only reason i see for bringing an actual tripod is that you will have a weapon you can use to fend off potential robbers. considering that it might be the tripod and the rest of your high-end equipment that attracts robbers in the first place, it is not worth it.

3. if you use a pas, chances are you can not attach an external flash. don´t worry, unless you are very serious about photography, you won´t need one (and if you were very serious about photography, you wouldn´t be using a pas in the first place). even middle-of-the-road digital pas now come with a decent enough flash that will cover the range of 3 to 6 ft, possibly more, which should be sufficient for most people photography/portraiture. also, many of them have a landscape/night mode that will produce decent results for sunsets/sunrises, too.

safety

1. being aware of your surroundings is especially critical if you are alone. in case you have a wing man or two, they should be watching your surroundings, particularly your back, at all times while you have your camera out. if you are alone, familiarize yourself very well with camera operation... you don´t want to be seen reading your operating manual for hours, trying to figure out how this thing works. speed of operation and inconspicuousness are safety here.

2. taking pictures on the calcadao, where people can freely approach you, is much riskier than at veranda help, for example, sitting in the middle of the crowd. stay clear of deserted places with few people, especially at night.

3. all safety recommendations regarding rio should be taken very seriously when carrying camera equipment in rio, even more so with expensive equipment (full fledged slrs, for example). if you carry a lot, do so in a non-conspicuous bag, possibly a non-descript backbag, or a shopping bag. you might consider mask-taping the brand name of your stuff (nikon, canon, tamron, for example). if people are willing to rob you for a few hundred reais, imagine how interested they are in your usd 2000 camera equipment. i know because i have done just that (when my digital sony cybershot malfunctioned). get your shots, and move on fast. don´t carry your equipment if you´re not serious about taking pictures. just not worth it.

managing photos:

1. since you will be taking a lot of pictures (trust me on this), bring the biggest memory card you can afford. at least 512 mb, preferably 1 gb.

2. buy a battery charger, or at least always carry a set of spare batteries. again, buy them at home, they are expensive in rio.

3. bring a laptop to download photos as you go along (although with a 1 gb card, you can shoot about 1000 photos at the 1 megapixel setting, proportionally less so with higher resolutions). if you don´t want to bring a laptop, take the memory card to any photo place and have them burn the pictures to a cd. there are many photo places in rio, and it is relatively inexpensive (like at delpla).

shooting on the beach/sunsets

1. if possible, don´t go alone. if you do, bring as little as possible, only what you will need (and what you can easily carry). rent a chair at one of the places on the beach, and stay as close as possible to the main tent (more populated). find a good spot and stay there rather than wandering up and down the beach for hours.

2. needless to say, never leave your stuff unattended at any time.

3. protect your camera against water and sand. if there is one thing cameras hate, it is water and sand.

4. go to ipanema instead of copacabana. ipanema seems to be much more tranquil, and while there are vendors, of course, i have never had any problems there. to shoot sunsets, it definitely has to be ipanema, as the sun is setting between morro dos irmaos/pedra bonita (see attached photos). the rocks at arpoador beach are also very good for sunset pictures of the entire stretch all the way to leblon.

5. for good early morning pictures overlooking copacabana all the way to leme, head to the copacabana fort. there is an entrance fee (i think r$ 4.00). worth it just for the view, even if you don´t take any pictures (though you will want to take pictures). a telephoto in the 70 to 300 mm range might be very helpful from here, in case you have a srl. the ponta do leme also has good viewpoints as well as cliff jumpers.

6. praia vermelha in urca is a very lovely beach with great views of sugarloaf mountain, btw. check it out. great to pose your girl, too.

a while ago, i posted a number of beach pictures (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471548&postcount=1217). check them out to see what's out there in rio. all pictures taken with a conventional nikon n80, with three different lenses (nikon 17-35mm, nikon 28-105 mm, nikon 70-300 mm), varying film stock, mostly iso 100.

all of this especially applies to copacabana. in my experience, taking pictures from the usual tourist sites like sugarloaf mountain or corcovado is much less troublesome: there are so many tourists with cameras there, chances are you won´t get noticed, so knock yourself out.

hope this helps,

ea

Sperto
08-12-06, 21:13
As usual, I think EA covered just about everything with his valuable advices.

As I have a big interest in taking photos and filming, I want to add a couple of advices. My equipments are a camcorder, a SLR (Nikon equipment identical to EA's) and a small compact digital camera (Ixus 800). I take photos/film of nature, animals, people, bundas and cum-shots.

My advices:
1. Cover the equipment totally with black tape. That way nobody can see the brand, the camera doesn't look attractive and it's good for hidden home-movies.
2. Never use anything that looks like a camerabag. Use a small shoulder-bag that doesn't look fancy. A bag that will be strapped across your shoulders so nobody can snatch it.
3. Just bring all your equiment when you have plans like Sugar-Loaf, Corcovado or h***er-beach. Don't stroll around with all your stuff.
4. When going out with all your equipment: be on the alert all the time, no drinking, no buses, just taxis, no back-streets and never leave your equipment unattended.
5. When going out fully equipped: don't dress fancy, use good running shoes and be alerted (without looking paranoid, just look mean and self-assured).

I recommend a SMALL digital camera as a complement to other equipment.
- A small digital camera is excellent. Because of the size you can bring it just about everywhere if you're careful. You won't miss any good shots.
- Don't put it in your belt or around your neck. My advice is; put a long string on it, and tie it to your underwear and carry it inside your underwear (it's not uncomfortable).
- You just take up the camera when you're taking the photos. Using a long string so you don't have to untie it from your underwear. Take it up, take the photo, put it away quickly and move on. Carrying the camera like this you can bring it to VM, the beach, centro-termas and even in the carnival.
- Do I need to mention that the girls love to see themselves in the digi cam, "take one more!".

- (Just a little extra: In Brazil I don't like to put anything in my pockets. Money in my shoes, and a small purse inside my underwear (again, tied to my underwear). This way you can walk just in your shorts without anybody seeing anything interesting to take from you.)

P.S I' ll never forget this guy in the carnival in Salvador. I was with standing with a friend in the street, waiting for the bloco with Chiclete com Banana. This bloco is always followed by the most violent crowd.
I was dresses in shorts, sneakers and a small purse deep down in my underwear. Behind me was a very big gringo standing with his friends. Fancy clothes, gold neckless, gold bracelet, fancy watch, camera bag, wallet in his pockets and a camcorder in his hands.
I felt sorry for him and told him if he didn't leave in 5 minutes he would loose everything. He just laughed and said that he was bigger than the rest, and that he could handle himself as he was working as a policeman back home.
OK. The bloco passed. The crowd passed. The gangs with thieves and troublemakers saw a big filet mignon served on a golden plate. Everybody pushing. Small fights. Guess what, the big gringo lost everything in seconds, even his baseball-cap.

Droplet
08-12-06, 23:17
Thanks for the replies. My camera is an olympus mini mu. I attatched it. Its prob as small as you can go. But the shape does attract attention.

The problem with sunset photos is that you need a long exposure time and you cant hold it in your hand. You need 20 sec exposures or more. I'm travelling alone. One is to bring a tripod and do it like that. I could try standing next to the kiosks. But a tripod laid out can get lots of attention. I dont't know where I can use the table top tripods. I need to put it somewhere high on the beach.

I dont get the string around waist. My plan was just get zipped trousers/shorts and put them in there to prevents quick hands.

If I loose my camera, of course its tragic. Esp I have another 6 weeks to go! But loosing the pictures is more painful.

Almotu
08-13-06, 00:54
Droplet,
Make sure you buy or borrow an extra memory card to bring to Brazil. After taking your photos, remove the card with those 'special' photos on them and put them in a hidden place for safekeeping until you get back to the hotel and download the photos into your laptop. If you did not bring a computer, go to an internet cafe and have them burn you a CD for backup if you happen to lose the memory card before you get back home.

Of course, this would work for non-sightseeing photos as well! LOL!

Almotu

Rio Bob
08-13-06, 01:45
I was in rio last year and I was too scared to take my digital camera when I went out at night which was a shame because I wished I had those pictures.

Im going back to rio next week. and i have plans to take some nice photos of beach at sunset. I didnt feel threatened last summer but I was made very scared by the talks and people around me. What do you guys think?

Worth the risk?

If you notice in Rio wether it's Ipanema or Copacabana everybody comes out to walk the promanade at this time (sunset), seems like a very low risk time for theft. Bring your camera, bring your tripod and take all the pictures you want without worry. Then take everything home put it away and go monger.

Droplet
08-13-06, 02:02
Imagine the girl at the photo shop giving you the eye when you get the photos back.


Droplet,

Make sure you buy or borrow an extra memory card to bring to Brazil. After taking your photos, remove the card with those 'special' photos on them and put them in a hidden place for safekeeping until you get back to the hotel and download the photos into your laptop. If you did not bring a computer, go to an internet cafe and have them burn you a CD for backup if you happen to lose the memory card before you get back home.

Of course, this would work for non-sightseeing photos as well! LOL!

Almotu

El Austriaco
08-13-06, 08:34
imagine the girl at the photo shop giving you the eye when you get the photos back.
btw, to have any of your more explicit photos developed and/or printed, do it in rio (they are used to it; happens all the time). you will get far less looks than doing it back home in the states (or most other countries, i suppose).

regarding long exposures: you know, of all the sunset pictures i have taken, i never ever needed any shutter speed anywhere even close to 20 seconds. the pictures i attached to my prior post were all hand-held. the only situations i can imagine where you would need a tripod would be in very early morning hours or very late during the sunset, with almost no more colors in the sky. last week, i took night shots where i live during a pitch-black night, with street lights and cars being the only source of illumination, and the longest speeds i needed were 1 to 2 seconds at maximum aperture (f/3.5 or f/4). i think you should be fine without a tripod for most sunset shots, they are way, way brighter than night shots, plus, you are shooting counter-light, anyway. if everything else fails, set your camera to iso 400, to get two extra stops.

sperto, when you say you like to take pictures of "nature and animals", you mean gdps in their natural habitat, right? thought so.

and if the carioca gives you the eye when you pick up your pictures, just smile and tell her "this could be you in the photos, you know". you never know, it might just work :)

ea

Sperto
08-13-06, 10:05
I think your Olympus mini mu will do just fine withou a tripod.

These two sunrise shots are taken with a handheld digital compact, Canon Ixus 750, at 6.10 AM just below Rua Djalma Ulrich.


Sperto, when you say you like to take pictures of "nature and animals", you mean GDPs in their natural habitat, right? Thought so.
I also attached an animal-shot. :)

Gladiator
08-13-06, 12:16
If you notice in Rio wether it's Ipanema or Copacabana everybody comes out to walk the promanade at this time (sunset), seems like a very low risk time for theft. Bring your camera, bring your tripod and take all the pictures you want without worry. Then take everything home put it away and go monger.

The risk may be low, but make sure you have a good insurance in place covering your camera and other valuables.

Some muggers like to walk in the morning too, remember what happened to Helpmann not long ago.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=472243&postcount=537

Rio Bob
08-13-06, 13:11
The risk may be low, but make sure you have a good insurance in place covering your camera and other valuables.

Some muggers like to walk in the morning too, remember what happened to Helpmann not long ago.

Beware: It doesn't matter where you are or what time of day it is. If you look around and you don't see people, you're setting yourself up to be a victim of a crime.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=472243&postcount=537

Of course you always have to be careful in Rio. Helpmann got mugged at 7:30 in the morning on a desolate beach. Sunset in Rio is packed with people, hundreds after work or when it is cooler, everybody comes out to walk, and it’s a great time to be out to meet new friends too. Unfortunately it's usually my nap time so that I can get up and be fresh for Help.

WSJ3
08-13-06, 15:16
You can never be too careful Gladiator.

I do want to take some pics of the experience. I guess I will have to make sure my wingman has my back.


The risk may be low, but make sure you have a good insurance in place covering your camera and other valuables.

Some muggers like to walk in the morning too, remember what happened to Helpmann not long ago.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=472243&postcount=537

Droplet
08-13-06, 18:51
I heard that with club Nuth they have this funny policy that if you go alone, they wont let you in until anotherr lone female turns up...does anyone know whether this is true?

I'm planning to see Nuth as well as Baronetti. I heard they are full of beautiful garotas. Anyone can tell me a little bit more? Whats BAronetti like? I heard inside the girls are rather upper class and they wouldnt talk to you. Is this true? How do these girl epect to be approached? They are different to the girls back home. Esp when they are dancing with friends.

RxHammer
08-14-06, 09:38
Droplet,

Nuth can be hard to get into PERIOD. If you don't mind waiting in line for what can be a LONG time (depending on the doorman) then give it a go. I've been there with Brazilian girlfriends and it took forever to get in. A few time my patients ran short and I left. Hell, I hate waiting in line at club in the USA !
There are very attractive girls once you get inside but do you speak Portuguese? You'll most likely need the skills unless your their age or about....even then you may have it tough.

Baronetti is easier, closer, and has attractive women also. Try it first and see what happens. Then again, why do you want to meet "regular" girls? They can be alot of work, just like the girls back home. If they find out you are staying in Copa for a week etc, etc, they may figure you are in town to sample the easy "goods" and may pass on your company.

IMHO, go to the regular clubs for the fun of it all, see what happens but keep your expectations low. You may get lucky. Better yet, find a nice terma girl, invite her out to dinner/club then go back to your hotel/apt...can't miss with this plan....

RxHammer

Droplet
08-14-06, 14:23
Well its boring doing the same thing so regular girls is a good break :) How much portuguese is enough? I know a little. From experience last yr, they understood what i was saying but not the other way round!

I look a lot lot younger than I am. I'd say I look like 21/22! :) And I dance well :) The only problem is how to approach them and talking to them. Fancy my chances?


Droplet,

Nuth can be hard to get into PERIOD. If you don't mind waiting in line for what can be a LONG time (depending on the doorman) then give it a go. I've been there with Brazilian girlfriends and it took forever to get in. A few time my patients ran short and I left. Hell, I hate waiting in line at club in the USA!

There are very attractive girls once you get inside but do you speak Portuguese? You'll most likely need the skills unless your their age or about. Even then you may have it tough.

Baronetti is easier, closer, and has attractive women also. Try it first and see what happens. Then again, why do you want to meet "regular" girls? They can be alot of work, just like the girls back home. If they find out you are staying in Copa for a week etc, etc, they may figure you are in town to sample the easy "goods" and may pass on your company.

IMHO, go to the regular clubs for the fun of it all, see what happens but keep your expectations low. You may get lucky. Better yet, find a nice terma girl, invite her out to dinner/club then go back to your hotel/apt. Can't miss with this plan.

RxHammer

Jose Lima
08-14-06, 15:16
Droplet,

Nuth can be hard to get into PERIOD. If you don't mind waiting in line for what can be a LONG time (depending on the doorman) then give it a go. I've been there with Brazilian girlfriends and it took forever to get in. A few time my patients ran short and I left. Hell, I hate waiting in line at club in the USA!

There are very attractive girls once you get inside but do you speak Portuguese? You'll most likely need the skills unless your their age or about. Even then you may have it tough.

Baronetti is easier, closer, and has attractive women also. Try it first and see what happens. Then again, why do you want to meet "regular" girls? They can be alot of work, just like the girls back home. If they find out you are staying in Copa for a week etc, etc, they may figure you are in town to sample the easy "goods" and may pass on your company.

IMHO, go to the regular clubs for the fun of it all, see what happens but keep your expectations low. You may get lucky. Better yet, find a nice terma girl, invite her out to dinner/club then go back to your hotel/apt. Can't miss with this plan.

RxHammerI have been to Nuth about 100 times and there is a wasy way to get into this great club. I have never had any porblems getting in alone or with chicks or my buddies. There are two basic ways to get into nuth

1. You wait in the line and once you get to the front nicely give the guy $40 reis and tell him not to forget you next time. Once inside the club proceed to get a table and buy numerous bottles of champagne and bottles of vodka and tip $40 to every one including the security guards. Belive the next time you get there the whole world will know your there and you will never wait. I have showed up and before i can pay the taxi the bouncers and doorman are usering me inside.

2. Make a reservation for dinner upstairs for 10:30pm or 11:00pm. This is a lot cheaper and works just as well. Just show up around 10:00pm-10:30pm and tell the guy you have a rez for dinner. Very easy. After you finish you food you have full access to the entire club.

Droplet
08-14-06, 18:29
Wouldn't it be easier to line up starting at 10pm? First come first in?

Jose Lima
08-14-06, 21:24
Well its boring doing the same thing so regular girls is a good break :) How much portuguese is enough? I know a little. From experience last yr, they understood what i was saying but not the other way round!

I look a lot lot younger than I am. I'd say I look like 21/22! :) And I dance well :) The only problem is how to approach them and talking to them. Fancy my chances?First off in nuth your going to need some good portuguse. It aint like helpy when it comes to pulling chicks. If you have some style and are really agressive then you will be ok. But it takes balls. We would do a move where me and my buddy would just stare at a hot girl for like 5-6 minutes. Making it known that we wanted her. I mean staring at her like she was a cub and we were the the gorillas ready to pray on her. She would try not to look at use but we would just be so blatent. Then we would just grabs our balls go right up to them i mean right up to them and talk right into there ears and say something crazy like. "Eu sei voce me veu te olhando" "Voce e mais lindo melhor nesta discoteca" Chega aqua.

Then you look at her and grab her and go in for the kiss man. The rest is history. All it takes is some nice clothes good looks and BALLS. BIG SWINGING BALLS. Thats all that talks in brazil and espicially in the regular clubs.

As for showing up extra early. Mabye it will work mabye not. I would not risk it if you want to be 100% that you get in. Just make the dinner reservation grab a bit then head downstairs. The food is pretty good. By the way I was never a huge fan of Nuth. Try out Sky Lounge in Lagoa. The hottest chicks go there. I have had the most luck in Bombar in leblom, or Barranetti. Barranetti use to have a model night i think it was wednesdays or something.

I would meet chicks in the mall during the day especially Rio sol. then take them to the clubs at night and end up leaving with a differnet girl. But the cariocas love it when you are with a girl because they like a guy thats already takin. Go shopping to Zhoop, M. Officer, Triton, Hugo boss. Ask the girls that work there where they are going for the night, they always have passes or have the inside hookup on the phat ass parties.

Sperto
08-14-06, 21:26
You wait in the line and once you get to the front nicely give the guy $40 reis and tell him not to forget you next time. Once inside the club proceed to get a table and buy numerous bottles of champagne and bottles of vodka and tip $40 to every one including the security guards. Belive the next time you get there the whole world will know your there and you will never wait. I have showed up and before i can pay the taxi the bouncers and doorman are usering me inside.
Wow, that's a great idea! How do you feel doing this? Like a King? LOL

Jose Lima
08-14-06, 21:40
Wow, that's a great idea! How do you feel doing this? Like a King? LOLYea like a king? ummmmm whats that supposed to mean? Number one you are gressing the wheels. I mean when it comes down to it you either give the guy some money or your ass is waiting in line everytime you go. I would call it an investment.

King? No.

Smart. Yes

Jose Lima
08-14-06, 21:41
aAso check out riofesta.com.br for cool ass parties

Leblon
08-15-06, 03:47
On Saturday Meia Pataca was closed. There were signs that we are closed for a few days. Girls usually working there told me that it is closed for two months, they are going to renovate the place.

On Saturday afternoon both girls and their potential customer, street sellers and beggars were in confusion where to go, to the Help terasse or place next to Meia, something starting with S.

Seems like most of the crowd did like me, after a while I went back to home.

Since there is big demand for men for afternoon quickies and for girls to work also in afternoon I am sure that things will settle down

Sperto
08-15-06, 06:32
First off in nuth your going to need some good portuguse.

Then we would just grabs our balls go right up to them i mean right up to them and talk right into there ears and say something crazy like. "Eu sei voce me veu te olhando" "Voce e mais lindo melhor nesta discoteca" Chega aqua.
"Good Portuguese" certainly will help you picking up regular girls. Try changing "lindo" to "linda" when speaking with a girl.

Jose Lima
08-15-06, 14:45
"Good Portuguese" certainly will help you picking up regular girls. Try changing "lindo" to "linda" when speaking with a girl.You know what man I worte like a page long rebutal to your dumbassed comments to me but I thought about it and you know what man your right. I should have said linda instead of linda. Its a femine adjective. Thank you for that important addition to the forum on how to get into Nuth and grab some regular girls as the question was possed.

Again thanks for the imput. :)

Now if anyone has any comments on regular clubs and or grabing regular girls in Brazil.

Rastaman
08-15-06, 16:45
Make a reservation for dinner upstairs for 10:30pm or 11:00pm. This is a lot cheaper and works just as well. Just show up around 10:00pm-10:30pm and tell the guy you have a rez for dinner. Very easy. After you finish you food you have full access to the entire club.

How about the concierges at the hotels??? You don't necessarily have to stay at the hotel to use their services -- but, TIP THEM FO' SURE. This works in the US like a dream for getting into clubs...and restaurants where reservations are hard to get.

Almotu
08-15-06, 20:32
Anyone staying in Copacabana area that would like to share the cost of a taxi for a trip to Solarium this week (8/16 - 8/20) please send me a PM.

Almotu

Benjoe
08-15-06, 21:42
Anyone staying in Copacabana area that would like to share the cost of a taxi for a trip to Solarium this week (8/16 - 8/20) please send me a PM.

AlmotuTell the taxi driver, Solarium will pay him. Solarium will pay the taxi driver a flat 20 reals -- enough from Copa. You're on your own on the way home.

Umgman
08-15-06, 21:49
Maybe after splitting cost of taxi you can split a couple of beers, then each take 20 minutes with the garota.

Almotu
08-16-06, 11:50
Tell the taxi driver, Solarium will pay him. Solarium will pay the taxi driver a flat 20 reals -- enough from Copa. You're on your own on the way home.

Benjoe, Are you saying that if I tell the taxi driver before getting in that I am going to Solarium THAT he will not ask ME for money when we get there? Never heard that one before. I always assumed that cabbies recommend certain termas because they get a commission from the place for customers that they bring in . . . but they still require you to pay for the ride.

I think Solarium's roster of talent is better than the sister terma, Monte Carlo but it was always such a schlep to get there + the taxi costs that I don't get there on every trip. BTW, they are having a 'Schoolgirls Night' on the 29th of August! Hot girls in school uniforms, I am thinking! http://www.solarium.com.br

I'll check to see if this works.

Beary Azoo
08-16-06, 12:40
I was in Rio recently and I went to the Thermas 4x4 and I was in a strange mood. I saw the first ever Asian in a Thermas. I felt like I was in Asia as well it was a great GFE experience.

Gianni Versace
08-16-06, 16:55
Hey Guys have anyone on the board stayed at the Premier Copacabana Hotel located at Rua Tonelero 205, Copacabana, Rio de Janeiro, Brasil? I am thinking about staying there for my trip to brazil, and am looking for a girl friendly hotel. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Also if anyone has any other suggestions on nice hotels in Rio?

GV

Benjoe
08-16-06, 17:56
Benjoe, Are you saying that if I tell the taxi driver before getting in that I am going to Solarium THAT he will not ask ME for money when we get there? Never heard that one before. I always assumed that cabbies recommend certain termas because they get a commission from the place for customers that they bring in . . . but they still require you to pay for the ride.

I think Solarium's roster of talent is better than the sister terma, Monte Carlo but it was always such a schlep to get there + the taxi costs that I don't get there on every trip. BTW, they are having a 'Schoolgirls Night' on the 29th of August! Hot girls in school uniforms, I am thinking! http://www.solarium.com.br

I'll check to see if this works.When you first get into the taxi, tell the taxi driver that Solarium will pay him: something like "Eu quero ir ao Solarium. Eu nao te pago. Solarium vai te pagar vinte reais." If the driver says no, take another taxi. A very small number of taxi drivers will say no to a 20 reals fare. Many drivers don't know what or where Solarium is. If the taxista knows about Solarium, he will hope that you pay him, because he will then go into Solarium (after you go into the locker room) to collect the 20 reals -- a nice double dip. The vast majority of gringos don't know that Solarium pays the taxi drivers. However, if you are using a coupon good for free entrance, you WILL have to pay the taxi driver -- Solarium won't cover the taxi fare in this case. 4x4 pays taxi drivers 10 reals, which is not enough to cover a trip from Copacabana.

King Of Crunk
08-16-06, 19:05
I was in Rio recently and I went to the Thermas 44 and I was in a strange mood. I saw the first ever Asian in a Thermas. I felt like I was in Asia as well it was a great GFE experience.Asian really Japanese or Chinese Brazilian and where is thermas 44?

Price and location please.

Gladiator
08-16-06, 22:39
You can never be too careful Gladiator.

I do want to take some pics of the experience. I guess I will have to make sure my wingman has my back.

That’s right, WSJ3: it is always better to be on the safe side.

Rio Bob
08-17-06, 00:14
First off in nuth your going to need some good portuguse. It aint like helpy when it comes to pulling chicks. If you have some style and are really agressive then you will be ok. But it takes balls. We would do a move where me and my buddy would just stare at a hot girl for like 5-6 minutes. Making it known that we wanted her. I mean staring at her like she was a cub and we were the the gorillas ready to pray on her. She would try not to look at use but we would just be so blatent. Then we would just grabs our balls go right up to them i mean right up to them and talk right into there ears and say something crazy like. "Eu sei voce me veu te olhando" "Voce e mais lindo melhor nesta discoteca" Chega aqua.

Then you look at her and grab her and go in for the kiss man. The rest is history. All it takes is some nice clothes good looks and BALLS. BIG SWINGING BALLS. Thats all that talks in brazil and espicially in the regular clubs.

You sound like you know how to have a good time.

Just curious with the exchange rate the way it is today what does a full blown night like this cost in Nuth, taxi/entrance/tipping/bottles of champagne/vodka/dinner ?

Also I have heard of this place of course but never been there, what is your batting average in Nuth?

Royal21
08-17-06, 01:42
Fellas,

just a quick posting from a cafe near help. I have been getting around Real 200 for all nighters from good pros. (I would rate them 6 and higher). Though it always starts off at 300+. I usually pick one up after 1 AM.

R21

Beary Azoo
08-17-06, 02:03
Asian really Japanese or Chinese Brazilian and where is thermas 44?

Price and location please.Her parents were from the Philippines. She was awesome as well.

Do a search for 4X4 and you'll find directions all included it was less than R200.