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Mangera
09-17-06, 13:19
This should probably be in the escort section. Back in June, I gave her a couple of shots, her favorite is slipping your sausage in her back door while she is on all fours. She was a bit shy a few months ago, but I guess not anymore. Laters!

Dutch Boy
09-17-06, 14:20
better use this site.... www.orkut.com

its like the brazillian version of myspace, its wicked... and almost everyone in brazil is on there... even tho its an international website... found some cuties on there already :-))

Lorenzo
09-17-06, 19:06
Anybody know about Help's origins? When did it first open? How did it become the hub of Copa's sex scene? My friend said it used to be the site of Rio's nicest movie theater, called "Rian." Couldn't find any info online on Rian.
"Rian" is now the name of a restaurant on Rua Santa Clara, just off of Av. Atlantica, same side of the street as La Maison. Not a bad restaurant, but somewhat overpriced.

Lorenzo

Rio Bob
09-18-06, 15:15
Luana is 19 years old, and loves to suck. A lot. She sure didn't waste much time after walking in the door. 2 1/2 hours of fun, even though she should have stayed only 2 hours for 100 Reais. I do really like the Dominos pizza method rather than the Hunter/Gatherer method. 2 hours at my place is more fun than 30 minutes in a little room. I'm just not a big fan of the "phone ring, so stop fucking". Luana supposedly lives in Flamengo, and the taxi drive was supposedly 45 Reais to get to Barra. Total damage 190 Reais for round trip taxi and 2 hours of fun. I love Brasil.

Mongernerd

Sounds like you live in Barra, the escort lives in Flamengo so you paid almost 100 reais for taxi service. Just my opinion but you paid 200 reais for an escort who only thinks she is worth 100 reais for 2 hours and she didn't even get that entire 100 reais maybe just half.

IMHO if I was staying in Barra and I was willing to pay 200 reais for an escort I would want to get an escort who thought she was worth at least 200 reais for the 2 hours and there are plenty in the Barra area both working for agencies and independents.

You would think that someone who can demand twice as much might be at a better physical quality then someone who is only willing to ask for 100 and I know that statement is going to pull everybody out of the woodwork especially the VM and centro crowd. But that's generally the theory but not always perfect that you may get a higher level rather than giving half the money to a taxi cab driver.

Try: www.agbarravips.com.br/ or even the independents on www.escortgirl.com.br/index2.htm with the independents you can negotiate.

Bubba Boy
09-18-06, 19:49
It also seemed like a lot for a taxi. Last time I went to Barra from Botafogo it was about R70 return.

El Austriaco
09-18-06, 19:53
IMHO if I was staying in Barra and I was willing to pay 200 reais for an escort I would want to get an escort who thought she was worth at least 200 reais for the 2 hours and there are plenty in the Barra area both working for agencies and independents.
If what GDPs/escorts THINK what they are worth has any basis in reality, what would be the point of even negotiating? Actually, most of the time, it seems more like what they WISH they were worth... combining all future birthdays, Xmas, and a lottery win on a huge wish list.

Hold on a minute: there is a country where what escorts WISH they are worth is the rule, with tons of johns willing to pay any absurd amount that is thrown at them: the good 'ole US of A.

But I see your point, Rio Bob: when determining the overall cost of a P4P encounter, incidentals like cab fares or admission into Help should be included for comparison purposes. I herewith present the TRCP4P concept, as opposed to TCOMAW:

TRCP4P: Total Rental Cost for Pay for Play
TCOMAW: Total Cost of Ownership after Marrying an American Woman.

That should open some eyes...

EA

Super Sir
09-18-06, 20:58
Luana is 19 years old, and loves to suck. A lot. She sure didn't waste much time after walking in the door. 2 1/2 hours of fun, even though she should have stayed only 2 hours for 100 Reais. I do really like the Dominos pizza method rather than the Hunter/Gatherer method. 2 hours at my place is more fun than 30 minutes in a little room. I'm just not a big fan of the "phone ring, so stop fucking". Luana supposedly lives in Flamengo, and the taxi drive was supposedly 45 Reais to get to Barra. Total damage 190 Reais for round trip taxi and 2 hours of fun. I love Brasil.

MongernerdI don't think for one minute that any garota would spend 100 reais on a taxi, (even if a monger were to offer and pay the fare) when she can get a bus to almost any part of the city for 1.70 Reais. That's where I think the money went. Just my obs.

Super sir out

Rio Bob
09-18-06, 22:08
I don't think for one minute that any garota would spend 100 reais on a taxi, (even if a monger were to offer and pay the fare) when she can get a bus to almost any part of the city for 1.70 Reais. That's where I think the money went. Just my obs.

Super sir out

Yeah your right and if you were living in Flamengo then the same escort would tell you she lives in Barra and charge you the same 100 reais. No matter where you live she is a 100 reais roundtrip cab fare away.

Urcarioca
09-19-06, 01:24
Yeah your right and if you were living in Flamengo then the same escort would tell you she lives in Barra and charge you the same 100 reais. No matter where you live she is a 100 reais roundtrip cab fare away.It's a set up.

The truth is most of the freelancers, escorts, etc... use a personal driver to get to your place/hotel. Even if she lives in Nova Iguaçu, Niteroi or Recreio (far, far away...), they pay a R$20 fee when you pay R$70. The type of driver they use are just "friends" with a car running with gas.

Just get a look outside of Luomo for example, there's a bunch of these guys waiting for them.

Meus 2 centavos.

Cachorro
09-19-06, 12:28
I don't think for one minute that any garota would spend 100 reais on a taxi, (even if a monger were to offer and pay the fare) when she can get a bus to almost any part of the city for 1.70 Reais. That's where I think the money went. Just my obs.

Super sir out
Spoken like someone who has never used that service.

Scort Show is in Flamengo, that's clear from their website.

If you had used their service, you'd know that the girl has to phone in when she's arriving and when she's leaving. Their time is tracked, they don't have the kind of freedom to just hop on the bus which may be twice as slow (I have taken the bus from Centro to Barra and it's 1.5 hours).

When I use Scort Show, I use the motel around the corner from their base in Flamengo. They will walk a selection of available girls up the street to me if I want, and I pay exactly zero in taxi fare.

Rio Bob
09-19-06, 15:32
It's a set up.

The truth is most of the freelancers, escorts, etc... use a personal driver to get to your place/hotel. Even if she lives in Nova Iguaçu, Niteroi or Recreio (far, far away...), they pay a R$20 fee when you pay R$70. The type of driver they use are just "friends" with a car running with gas.

Just get a look outside of Luomo for example, there's a bunch of these guys waiting for them.

Meus 2 centavos.

Well for sure in the United States they do. But in my experience since I wait for the escort outside in front of my apartment I always see them either pull up in a taxi or walk there after having taken the bus from some place like Barra. Actually one time I did call for a delivery from Barra, I negotiated the price down on the phone, she was an independent but she snuk in the taxi fare included in the price. After she arrived she slipped and told me she took the bus to my apartment. That wasn't the only lie, she told me she just recently seperated from her husband of 5 years and then later tells me the pictures on the website of her are 3 years old, Huh?

Mongernerd
09-19-06, 23:17
I am staying at the Sheraton in Barra. I did see Luana arrive in a taxi, and leave in a taxi called by the concierge. The way I look at it, I could take a taxi to Copa for around 28-32 Reais each way, and then everything else is on top of that. If I went to Centro, I would be talking around 35-45 Reais each way. The difference is that I am not sitting in a taxi/bus/metro for 30-60 minutes each way, she is. Sorry to take the forum on this tangent. Thanks for the tip on the Barra escorts, I would be happy to spend 200 Reais on a nearby honey. There are always the bus stop girls that want to "soahky soahky" or "foahky foahky" on the beach. I work here in Barra infrequently, and my contacts disappear over time. Love Rio, but Barra is rather boring.

MongerNerd

Num Nutz
09-20-06, 03:28
Can someone post the current pricing at Termas like Monte Carlo, Luomo and Solarium? Many Thanks.

Exec Talent
09-20-06, 04:47
Can someone post the current pricing at Termas like Monte Carlo, Luomo and Solarium? Many Thanks.

I was at L'uomo last night and prices remain unchanged. Search on my posts for the pricing at L'uomo including specials.

As for Monte Carlo, I was just there tonight and it was:

Entrance - R$ 60
Room -- R$ 60 -- 40 minutes
Girl -- R$130
Total -- R$250

I took their only suite for an hour which was a little more. R$80 for the room and R$200 for the girl for a total R$340.

I will be at Solarium tomorrow -- just kidding.

Num Nutz
09-20-06, 18:12
Thankyou EXEC, if you can would you post the current pricing after your visit to Solarium? Many Thanks

Bubba Boy
09-20-06, 19:01
I was there last week. Same price as Monte Carlo. Has some hot girls, I was surprised by this.

Entrance R60
Room R60
Girl R130

They have a frequent f**ker program. When you join the program every R500 you spend there gets you one free entrance.

Rosine
09-20-06, 20:49
I am new to this forum, but not new to the hobby or others, some of you might know me at "Kutter" from TSM. I saw some of my old pals, Surfer and such were on here. At any rate, about a year and a half ago when I went to Rio, I saw that Mayara, the super hot porn star was offering her services on Hotside. Sadly, I didn't have the stones to reserve her and then I saw a few more of her movies when I got back to the states, mainly one of her in a Mike in Brazil tape and I just couldn't believe how much of an idiot I was for not trying her. But this lead me to question, how easy or hard is it to get a real super hot porn star chick in Rio and where would I go about doing so? I know Lebara did some porn, but I'm not talking about a chick who will just get in front of a camera and I realize I'm splitting hairs here some, but does anyone know about some of these hot babes from the Mike in Brazil series? Anyone have a connect to reserve them? I know there is or was at least another website like Hotside that had a good forum, alas, I don't speak Port. Very well and read even less. Anyone who is living down there know? I'd like to check one out upon my next visit. To me, Rio is just about living out your wildest fantasies, one of the few places in the world where you can. I will continue to try and challenge myself. Enjoy the life and thanks in advance.

R

Brazilman
09-21-06, 00:36
Can anyone thats in brazil now care to share what the real world exchange rate is? The internet is showing 2.15 but i want to know what luomo,montecarlo and Help are paying. Can someone report if they have time.thanks..

Andre3000
09-21-06, 00:50
Can anyone thats in brazil now care to share what the real world exchange rate is? The internet is showing 2.15 but i want to know what luomo,montecarlo and Help are paying. Can someone report if they have time.thanks..The best rate I could get yesterday (in SP) was 2.08.

Good Luck! (..and please update us)

A.A

El Austriaco
09-21-06, 01:49
But this lead me to question, how easy or hard is it to get a real super hot porn star chick in Rio and where would I go about doing so?
Any chick that has done porn or a specific one? Others have reported that usually, at least some girls at the popular Termas have done porn, so if you just wanna be able to say that you did a chick that did some porn, just go there and ask who did. There are some chicks in Help, also, well, pretty much any GDP you meet in Rio might have done some porn at one point in time. You just don´t know unless they tell you or you just happen to run into one you recall from a flick you saw. I did one who claimed to have some porn in Termas 502 the last time I was down there, and wrote about it here:

http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=462182&postcount=1033


I know Lebara did some porn, but I'm not talking about a chick who will just get in front of a camera and I realize I'm splitting hairs here some, but does anyone know about some of these hot babes from the Mike in Brazil series? Anyone have a connect to reserve them?
Now, if you are specifically looking for a girl from a particular DVD or video, that's a lot harder. I remember reading that many of the girls portrayed as cariocas in the Mike in Brasil series are actually from (and in) Sao Paulo. I am not sure whether this is true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me. I've seen most MiB movies, and I have yet to recognize a single one after spending months in Rio. Go figure.

BTW, I never thought that these MiB chicks were particularly hot by any standards, not compared with other chicks I've seen in Brazil, pros or not.

My recommendation: rather than wasting your time looking for a specific chick, read the Bubba report, go to Rio, and hit the places that sound promising to you. I am sure that you will find chicks that are at least as good as the ones that you saw on film and might perform even better. One time, I was in MV 30, and my girl was such a porn star experience that I ended up turning off the in-room porn channel because it was boring compared to what was happening in bed. I don't know whether she was a porn star, but in my book, she should be. Remember: with the right chemistry, every encounter might be a potential PSE in Rio.

BTW, I also wrote a long post about a guy whose alleged "non-pro" turned out to be a porn star:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=487814#post487814

In other words, everything is possible in Rio.

EA

Bubba Boy
09-21-06, 03:55
A lot of the MIB girls are from everywhere, obviously his copy is written for a particular audience and the truth doesn't come into it. I can say I have done about 4 girls that appeared in his videos that worked in local Termas. Just because a girl has appeared in a video doesn't make her a porn star in my books. Making porn videos is extremely common in Brasil, the girls get about R500-R1000 per scene. I believe Brasil is in the top5 as far as world wide production of porn videos go.

Phoenix formerly Boronia. I checked this place out this week. Entrance was R30. They also had another special where you got 2 free beers after purchasing your first drink. Girls were R140 for 40mins(maybe 50mins?). That was the good news, the bad news is that the talent sucked badly. They only had about 6 woman on at about 7pm. 1 of them was about a 7.5, the others collectively would not have been a 7, they were horrid beasts. They were also really hard to get rid of, my wingman took the 7.5 and left me to fend off the scary woman. They were worse than what you would see in a downtown R1 per minute place. I left and did a strong 8 at Lúomo.

Address if you are nuts: Rua Min alfredi Valadao No 36, Copacabana, 2 blocks past Lúomo.

Bravo
09-21-06, 03:57
I was at L'uomo last night and prices remain unchanged. Search on my posts for the pricing at L'uomo including specials.

As for Monte Carlo, I was just there tonight and it was:

Entrance - R$ 60
Room -- R$ 60 -- 40 minutes
Girl -- R$130
Total -- R$250

I took their only suite for an hour which was a little more. R$80 for the room and R$200 for the girl for a total R$340.

I will be at Solarium tomorrow -- just kidding.


THX for the update. Looks like I will be going just to get phone numbers, 340R is a little rich for my blood. No wonder I saw 3 MC girls working in 4X4 when I was there in August. They told me "There are no tourists in MC, no money!"

Exec Talent
09-21-06, 05:45
My Monte Carlo tab of R$822 could have been paid with USD 383.33 (2.15) or Euro 328.80 (2.50).

I went to Banco do Brasil two days ago and got 2.13 which included my bank's fees.

At a cambio last week, I got 2.21 but this was a preferred customer rate.

Hope that helps.

Exec Talent
09-21-06, 05:59
L'uomo continues to impress me as one of the best run businesses in Rio. The place is clean, staff and the girls are very friendly, never pushy and while the objective is obviously to make money, it is never in your face.

At L'uomo I could run up a tab of R$2000 and no one would blink an eye. At Monte Carlo the manager called me because I wanted to extend my time in the suite by another hour. I won't even discuss the jerks at Centaurus. Yes I will. They are jerks.

L'uomo has gotten some nice new outfits for the staff and new fluffy robes for the guests. The towels stank (literally) at Monte Carlo and I had to ask three times for a robe that I felt was termas worthy.

L'uomo also has a new, more sanitary food bar.

Go for the girls, but stay for the customer service and attention to detail.

Pana Nyc
09-21-06, 13:20
Oh man what a trip, why did I not go here 2-4years ago. For you guys that have not been here you need to go at least once in your lifetime Im a DR regular and I dont think I'll be going back to DR any more or anytime soon. Brazil blows DR away hands down so much to do so many options this is mongers paradise, and I cant wait to go back again. I''ll try to post a report when I have time.

Bubba Boy
09-21-06, 17:36
For those of you that follow or occasional visit this site http://gatadeprograma.weblogger.terra.com.br/ , she is now in Europe. Again for those that only visited occasionally, she was a somewhat struggling GDP, nothing outstanding, used to hang at a Terma, then Help, then some of the boites in Lido. My point being she was an average earner, certainly not a superstar. She now charges Euro140 for a program in Spain. I would assume that would be for up to an hour. You could grab her for half that in Rio for a couple of hours.

I just put this here to remind everybody that yes the price is higher in Rio now, but the price and definitely the service is a shitload better than you would get in Europe or America.

Lorenzo
09-21-06, 20:23
This is Ticiane, who used to be an escort in Curitiba. One of the best sexual partners I've ever had, a true GFE. These aren't my photos; they're old photos from www.classisex.com.br, but they are authentic. When I tried to engage her for a repeat performance, the madam hemmed and hawed and finally told me that she had moved to Rio. This was in 2003. I'm motivated by curiosity more than anything else, but if she's around I'd love to do her again for old times sake. I'm wondering if she ever came to Rio at all or if that was just a cover story to get out of the business. So if any Rio mongers have seen her, let me know. Thanks,

Lorenzo

Ibiza007
09-22-06, 02:17
i had been in the us for the past six weeks and returned last friday at 7:00 am, in bed by 10:00am and off to centro by 3:00pm

i have been back 6 days and have 8 accounts to report ; busy ;-)

1. friday. a quick double at 24 guanabarra, carol and a new cutie sheiyla. 1 hour 120 reals, muito bom, very fun.

saturday - 4 hours with a special copa girl

sunday - sleep

monday - gabriella - destack.com.br - a local copa girl, my plan upon returning was to go through the copa girls on the web sites and in oglobo, it is easier to work in my backyard. i try to keep up with the copa girls, as it is easy to take the bus to their casa in 10 minutes, i am a lazy s.o.b

i call gabriella, she gives me her address, i go to her building, near prada junior. i get to the front door, and as usual call for the apt number. she comes to the front of the building and tells me it is her casa with mai and pai, well, i guess mai and pai are not into kink, so just fortunately, she lives 5 meters from the lido love hotel, she does this all the time, answers her phone at home, and takes clients next door, tells mai and pai she has many boyfriends... bottom line, she was terrible, please skip her. $r100 + $r40 hotel.

tuesday morning, eduarda - destack.com.br - she sounded fun on the phone. again a private near prada junior, i had been to this place before, months ago, and all different girls there now, 3-4 total, bottom line, kinda chubby, good sex, no repeat suggested. $80r

tuesday afternoon - naiane, she used to go by the name of victoria in oglobo, i had been there before, 583 copa ave., 11th floor, yes 11th floor, many of you do not realize that the 583 building is full of girls, on many floors besides the second floor. the same with #7 princess isabell, there must be 10 freelancers in that building. skip mabb's, walk around the corner, and spend $r60, about naiane, she is good , a real pro , but enjoys herself, has a nice body, $r80 hr,

wednesday - eduarda , destack.com.br in copa. i had been to her place before with a different girl, 103 copa ave, floor 12, second shitty performance at this place. $100hr( to much, but i am just doing research in copa!) skip her.. she is really cute, and one of the best bodies in town, but she should sell shoes for a living , as she was really not a good performer. clock watcher.

thursday, today - trifecta - first stop a new place at 185 rio branco, 21st floor. elevator only goes to 20, and you must walk one floor.

luna, destack.com.br. smoking body, really cute, cbbj - no bom, she was ok with sex , but not to interested, but they have those funny love position chairs there, which we put to use, $r80 hr - skip her, 6 girls in casa, some cuties,

next 93 buenos aires 5th floor - bingo samantha - bom bom, $r80 hr, nice place,


third stop was not planned, my first stop today was at 2:00 pm , 3rd stop at 5:30,

i was handed one of the flyers to try a private casa, just curious i had to see what $r10 can really buy, the place is better than some, only 3 girls, none cute, one with nice smile, she said $r10 for bj, only covered which is good news at this place, it was as busy as mcdonalds, so, i was already there and gave her a 10 spot and said good luck. well, a total of $r20 later, success. i did not think she could do it, or i could, i should say. so i would skip this place, but it is a fact you can get a cbj in rio for less then $5.00 usd. it is proven, and not in vm, right on buenos aires ave.

ok, so that is my update for 6 days back, (8 dates) i have been to helpee patio 3 times, and the quality is low, i did see one i need to meet, but i have been here 1 year straight and i know many of the faces, always a few new ones, but many of the same tired actresses. "oi amore , voce es bonito, blah, blah , blah". i can honestly say i just go to help to have coffee, at least 9 out of 10 times. as i sit there, i see many girls that come to say hello and wish to leave to my casa, but i have to pass.

all in all, centro continues to be the best bang for the buck, a double for $r120, with two cuties is always available, and also, i do love luomo as well.

i have a few more copa girls to check out, but it is really disappointing to make so many cold calls and get poor performances, so, for every bad string of luck, you find a hidden diamond and it makes it worthwhile.

i should stay with the 10 good ones, but i always have the grass is greener syndrome. stupid....stay with the good stuff......

p.s.the beach is so small now, only 10 girls can fit in front of the othon palace, and the weather is rainy as well.

look forward to seeing ft in a few weeks. i will have a good file for you.

note -some of these names are from amantesecia.com.br - full of private casas and freelancers, a site for cariocas i think. i forget which names are from which sites.

ibz

Bubba Boy
09-22-06, 02:24
The beach is so small now, only 10 girls can fit in front of the Othon Palace.IBZ

I have been here, on and off, for 8 weeks. The weather has been friggin cold and rained a shitload. Total beach days, maybe 10 in 8 weeks! Sorry, needed to vent a little.

Nice post Ibiza, you are king of the casas.

Sperto
09-22-06, 07:32
Note -Some of these names are from amantesecia.com.br - full of private casas and freelancers, a site for cariocas I think. I forget which names are from which sites.
IBZ
Several of the casas on Av Rio Branco 156, R B 181, R Uruguaiana
R d Carioca and R Buenos Aires are to be found in Classificados, www.amantesecia.com.br and www.destack.com.br.

The only problem with amantesecia and destack is that there are so many girls to choose from and no photos of their faces. Lottery.

A good idea is to call a bunch of them, take their addresses and systematically go from casa to casa. In Centro you'll often find lots of casas in the same building.

The majority of the casas on Rio Branco are very anonymous and discrete. Without the correct apto/sala number it will be very difficult to find them.

Euro100
09-22-06, 12:30
This is Ticiane, who used to be an escort in Curitiba. One of the best sexual partners I've ever had, a true GFE. These aren't my photos; they're old photos from www.classisex.com.br, but they are authentic. When I tried to engage her for a repeat performance, the madam hemmed and hawed and finally told me that she had moved to Rio. This was in 2003. I'm motivated by curiosity more than anything else, but if she's around I'd love to do her again for old times sake. I'm wondering if she ever came to Rio at all or if that was just a cover story to get out of the business. So if any Rio mongers have seen her, let me know. Thanks,

Lorenzo

Lorenzo,

this girl rocks! I would search for her, too.
Congratulations on an outstanding catch.

euro

Ibiza007
09-22-06, 15:19
On www.amantesecia.com.br and www.destack.com.br there are alot of girls, so as you have suggested I have just been calling them and when i go to centro, I try to visit 2-3 each time. And it is a lottery, as I experienced yesterday. Every once in a while you find a great place, and a few to be avoided. One good thing is that if it looks really suspect you can walk away or gamble $R60 for 30 minutes and take a chance.

There are also many "prive" casas listed in hotside.com.br, so the total prospect list gets very long. On destack.com.br there are private casas in both the modelos and massagem sections. With this many choices the work ahead is overwhelming, but I will keep trying to find the top ten in centro. I am going to start working the massage section of destack.com.br., the small ads that look like business cards.

Unfortunately, most of these calls require basic Portuguese, as the address can be repeated quickly and many times I have to really ask them to repeat slowly, or I will never figure it out.

Centro treasure hunting is a nice hobby.

IBZ


Several of the casas on Av Rio Branco 156, R B 181, R Uruguaiana
R d Carioca and R Buenos Aires are to be found in Classificados, www.amantesecia.com.br and www.destack.com.br.

The only problem with amantesecia and destack is that there are so many girls to choose from and no photos of their faces. Lottery.

A good idea is to call a bunch of them, take their addresses and systematically go from casa to casa. In Centro you'll often find lots of casas in the same building.

The majority of the casas on Rio Branco are very anonymous and discrete. Without the correct apto/sala number it will be very difficult to find them.

Sperto
09-22-06, 17:38
Paying too much or not is a very individual thing.

1. On the top-scale you have the Big Fish, like GK, who choose girls among Creme de la Creme. >R$ 1000.

2. The average Copa-monger who picks the girls at Help, the better termas and call Escorts. R$ 150-300.

3. The budget-monger who goes to Centro because he likes to pay the same as the natives. R$ 30-60.

4. The Low-roller who goes to Centro, VM and the 8-story buildings (in Sampa). R$ 10-60.

Personally I fall in category 4, even though I also go fishing outside Help or at L'uomo. I think as long as you are satisfied and get good value for your money you shouldn't care if you pay to much or not.

Trelele
09-23-06, 00:33
Anybody know about Help's origins? When did it first open? How did it become the hub of Copa's sex scene? My friend said it used to be the site of Rio's nicest movie theater, called "Rian." Couldn't find any info online on Rian.My friend,

Many years ago (in the 70´s and 80´s) there was a big movie theater called Rian at Atlantica Av.

It´s was located where, nowadays, we have the JW Marriott Hotel.

About Help origins. Huummm, that´s a good question. I really don´t remember that address use before Help.

Bravo
09-23-06, 00:52
On www.amantesecia.com.br and www.destack.com.br there are alot of girls, so as you have suggested I have just been calling them and when i go to centro, I try to visit 2-3 each time. And it is a lottery, as I experienced yesterday. Every once in a while you find a great place, and a few to be avoided. One good thing is that if it looks really suspect you can walk away or gamble $R60 for 30 minutes and take a chance.

There are also many "prive" casas listed in hotside.com.br, so the total prospect list gets very long. On destack.com.br there are private casas in both the modelos and massagem sections. With this many choices the work ahead is overwhelming, but I will keep trying to find the top ten in centro. I am going to start working the massage section of destack.com.br., the small ads that look like business cards.

Unfortunately, most of these calls require basic Portuguese, as the address can be repeated quickly and many times I have to really ask them to repeat slowly, or I will never figure it out.

Centro treasure hunting is a nice hobby.

IBZ



Good to see you back on the board. I will be in town next saturday for a 12 day visit. On my last trip I tried to see Samantha (http://www.destack.com.br/paulatijuca.htm) but the agency wouldnt send her to my apartment because the apt didnt have a telephone. I tried explaining that I was a gringo and only had a cell number, but they wouldnt budge (Safety for the girls)

If possible, could you find out what the address of this place is. I know its on Rua Maracana, in Tijuica, but I dont know the building or aprt number. Many thx for the help!

Tried to send you a personal email, but your inbox is too full.

Bubba Boy
09-23-06, 10:38
Was down at 44 last night (Friday) with a buddy, the conversation naturally turned to the present talent, which at the time was lacking a little.

Now I personally think the talent at 44 breaks down as follows, out of a sample 100 T Girls. There will be about 10 hotties, another 40 or so average babes that may appeal to someones individual tastes and then the last 50. The last 50 range from past their prime, obese, unkempt and the generally downright ugly. We were discussing how anybody could possibly take a girl from this last group at Terma prices when the whole world knows that they could go to a cheap place and grab something way better for a lot less. At this point a Brasilian guy, who had been listening in said the answer was simple “Rebates!”.

I have heard of the odd girl, on a quiet night agreeing to give a guy a rebate of R30 or so if he takes her to the cabine. Her reasoning is she will earn R100 or so, give a rebate back of R30 and still be ahead by R70. Better than nothing on a slow night. This Brazilian guy went on to explain he would only take a girl from 44 if she agreed to a rebate. He went on to explain that all his friends did this, he was not surprised that these deals were not offered to gringos. Even the rebate girls won’t give a discount to gringos, this is a weird Brazilian thing, a girl will happily give a Brasilian guy a rebate but will go home without 1 real rather than give a Gringo a rebate, because she thinks all Gringos have Bill Gates wealth and of course she deserves a piece of it. Is Brazil a weird and wonderful place or what?

SlimHoleDrill
09-23-06, 18:23
Checked it out after seeing Bubba Boy's comment that this place had converted from a gay spa. That is true, but the name is now Phoenix Club. It's about 40 or 50 Rs cheaper than L'uomo and MC, 40 entry + 150 girl and cabine if I remember correctely. They are trying to get up and running I guess. Opens around 5:00 on weekdays, 6:00 on Saturday and closed on Sunday.

Very small place, about 8 girls, very small cabines. Very friendly operation, but not much going on there the night I was there. Quality very mixed a few 7-8, the rest lower, not on the level of other place in Copacabana. Girls looked bored, which can be good sometimes.

To get there, head up Siquiera Campos two streets past the shoppng center (where L'uomo is) and take a left. It is in the middle of the block on the right. The area is pretty quiet once you get past the shopping center so, as usual, caution is the word. You should be very careful not to wander off towards the old tunnel because it gets very, very dangerous within a few blocks. Especially stay off the street that forks off of Siquiera Campos to the right at the metro.

Good luck.

El Austriaco
09-23-06, 21:33
The area is pretty quiet once you get past the shopping center so, as usual, caution is the word. You should be very careful not to wander off towards the old tunnel because it gets very, very dangerous within a few blocks. Especially stay off the street that forks off of Siquiera Campos to the right at the metro.
The area (Bairro Peixoto) is very residential and quiet, but it does NOT get very very dangerous within a few blocks in the direction of Botafogo. I know the area well, because everytime I go to Rio, that's where I live, and I have spent countless nights out in different bars and hole-in-the-wall places around Praça Vereador Rocha Leão ("towards the old tunnel"), where Siqueira Campos and Figueiredo Magalhães come together. Truth be told, I feel much much more comfortable in that area than hanging out on Av. Atlântica at night, with the usual safety caveats, of course. As a matter of fact, the most dangerous thing is actually to enter Ladeira das Tabajeiras (leading up to the favela of the same name) just across the street from L'Uomo and the Metro station on Siqueira Campos (which is the same street SlimHoleDrill referred to, I think). I marked everything on the attached Google images.

EA

Lorenzo
09-23-06, 22:17
The area (Bairro Peixoto) is very residential and quiet, but it does NOT get very very dangerous within a few blocks in the direction of Botafogo. EA
IMHO, it's best to assume that ALL of Rio is dangerous. You're much less likely to come to grief if you walk around with that assumption.

Lorenzo

El Greco
09-23-06, 22:22
Even the rebate girls won’t give a discount to gringos, this is a weird Brazilian thing, a girl will happily give a Brasilian guy a rebate but will go home without 1 real rather than give a Gringo a rebate, because she thinks all Gringos have Bill Gates wealth and of course she deserves a piece of it. Is Brazil a weird and wonderful place or what?

Don't know whether you, regular guys of visiting Brasil, had that feeling before but I am always getting it when I am in Brasil.

I feel that the brasilians beleive that I owe them something just by beeing a foreigner. That, by beeing a gringo to their eyes, they must take something out of me and I am obliged to give it to them. So it does not sound strange to me that they don't give rebates to gringos. Althought I hear for the first time about rebates in the termas.

RexG
09-23-06, 23:40
What happens to a terma girl if her management finds out she's seeing a client outside the terma? I had always understood that she would be fired. But recent posts, where outside encounters have openly been discussed, have led me to believe that maybe this is not the case...

Rex

Bubba Boy
09-24-06, 00:36
I just came back from Villa Mimosa, second visit in 3 years. There are indeed some doable girls, maybe 5 in total, amongst the 2's - 6's. I just can't get over the squalid conditions and hence can't bring myself to actually do a girl there. Sperto you are a braver man than me son.

El Greco, I agree that Carioca's indeed think that the wealthy owe them something, us being gringos are assumed to be wealthy. There are many reasons why Brasil is in the economic state that it is, this attitude that the world owes them something is one of them. Decades and decades of economic mismanagement is probably the main reason.

When I first came to Brasil I only saw the good things, the beautiful woman sambering etc. Now I am starting to see Brasil more in the "natural light" unblinded so to speak. Brasil is one of the most inefficient economies in the world, it is extremely difficult to do business there, it is extremely difficult to do anything normal. Just doing stuff like shopping in a supermarket takes twicer as long as in the West. Getting the Internet connected in an apartment involves 2 x 1 hour telephone calls. People just don't have the urgency to do things quickly and inefficiently. Very furstrating because the country has potential and there is no need for a country like Brasil to have 50% of its people struggling on a daily basis to feed itself.

Lorenzo
09-24-06, 03:18
What happens to a terma girl if her management finds out she's seeing a client outside the terma? I had always understood that she would be fired. But recent posts, where outside encounters have openly been discussed, have led me to believe that maybe this is not the case...

Rex
Why would they fire her when she's a free advertisement for the place? If a monger sees a photo of an attractive girl who is known to work at a specific termas, he is very likely to visit that termas to try to do her himself. And if she isn't there, he'll do somebody else. I've thought this over, and it seems to me that posting photos of termas girls is win-win for everybody: the girl, the termas, and mongers.

Lorenzo

Bubba Boy
09-24-06, 03:33
I think the official line is a Terma will fire a girl if she is caught doing jobs away from the Terma. They have a heap of rules for the girls including fines for not turning up to work. Basically a Terma is running a business and needs a certain stability from their workers. Now if a girl is a top worker earning good money for the Terma I am sure she gets cut some slack. It is also virtually impossible to Police if a girl is seeing a client outside of the Terma. I have heard of a couple of girls getting sacked for this, having said this, there may have been other political reasons. In Brasil many rules are not strictly enforced.

El Austriaco
09-24-06, 03:41
Why would they fire her when she's a free advertisement for the place? If a monger sees a photo of an attractive girl who is known to work at a specific termas, he is very likely to visit that termas to try to do her himself. And if she isn't there, he'll do somebody else. I've thought this over, and it seems to me that posting photos of termas girls is win-win for everybody: the girl, the termas, and mongers.

Lorenzo
Girls are interested in meeting mongers outside of a termas because they can make more money, and mongers are interested in this option because they spend less (or for the TLN option). Both do so by cutting out the elements that termas make money with: the entrance fee, the room, the drinks (plus a percentage of the programas, if that's what the arrangement is).

That's why no termas owner is interested in serving just as an initial meeting point for providers and mongers. The same way Berlitz is not interested in serving as a meeting place for language students and teachers who then meet behind their back to come to an arrangement more favorable to them for private language classes.

In other words, a termas girl doing clients outside of a termas is not an advertisement for the place, just an advertisement for herself. Very different from posting a picture of a termas girl online complete with information on where she works.

EA

Sperto
09-24-06, 09:29
I just came back from Villa Mimosa, second visit in 3 years. There are indeed some doable girls, maybe 5 in total, amongst the 2's - 6's. I just can't get over the squalid conditions and hence can't bring myself to actually do a girl there. Sperto you are a braver man than me son.
Sure the conditions in VM are charming, sorry I meant squalid. What really matters is the condition of the room where you'll have sex. If you stay in a R$ 5-room in one of the casas you'll find everything from a small dirty bed in a hot cabin to a soft bed with clean sheets in a A/C cabin. In some casas they even let you take a shower afterwards. In general the cabins at VM are about the same standard as the cabins at R Buenos Aires 85 and 113 and the other R$ 1/minute places in Centro.

Regarding my post:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=510258&postcount=507
Girl number 4, 5, 7 and 8 are at VM-cabins. During the act with no 4 somebody tried to smash the door open in a very violent and disturbing way. The assailant got the wrong cabin. During the act with no 8 I had a open window next to the bed. A window towards a kitchen where an old toothless woman was doing some cocking. Not really a turn-on doing the girl doggy-style while the old witch was grinning right at me.

My choice with girls number 1, 2, 3 and 6 was the nearby motel, Hotel Canário.
Directions/map:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=506211&postcount=1787
They charge R$ 20 for 3 hours. Large and soft beds, clean sheets, A/C, Porno-channel, hot showers, 2 towels, 2 soaps, quiet rooms, room-service and good security. The girl will charge you R$ 40-50 for a 2 hour session (multiple pops) at this motel. No worries about any bell ringing 5 minutes to early, just before you're going to pop.

Exec Talent
09-24-06, 12:42
Some of the best experiences I have had in Rio have been termas girl all-nighters. These girls are usually the most attractive (far more so than any escorts I have met), the best performers and girl-next-door personalities. Many are not from Copacabana, so finding a nice guy, staying at a nice place is very appealing to them.

However, they take their jobs at the termas seriously. This is how they make a lot more money than they could make any where else and any other way. They typically look down on escorts and Help girls. If they get caught working off the termas clock they can be fired. It does depend who they are and how much money they bring in for the termas. Also how blatant they are and how often it happens. If the owners of the termas were to let it go and everyone did it, all they would be making is the entrance fee and drinks.

I have been with termas girls when we saw other people who worked there and they nearly wet themselves.

JayHighFive
09-24-06, 13:02
I will be in Rio about two weeks after Carnival. Is this an extremely bad time to go? Does the action slow down very much. I'm hoping this is Rio and there are so many girls it still will be good. I am sure the Termas and agencies will be the same and I can't imagine Help ever slowing down. Any advice would be appricated.

Jay

Euro100
09-24-06, 13:20
Hi,

I agree with Exec. As for me, ALL of my TLN takeouts have come from termas during my last two trips. At L'uomo it seems a big deal for the girls to make sure that management does not catch tem giving their phone numbers to clients. So it's all very hush-hush if you succeed to get a girl interested in coming with you. At 4*4 almost every girl I asked gave me her number, and pretty openly. So maybe they have a different rule there.

Why do I only do takeout from termas? I can be sure that they will not rob me in my room or otherwise cheat me. After all, I know where they work, and their job is important to them. I get very good GFE from them on takeout, because they speculate that they can have a more permanent relationship with me due to coming with me. About half of the time the girls come with me for free, because of that. Of course, it's also in my interest to keep this quiet, because of that.

euro

SlimHoleDrill
09-24-06, 13:45
As a matter of fact, the most dangerous thing is actually to enter Ladeira das Tabajeiras (leading up to the favela of the same name) just across the street from L'Uomo and the Metro station on Siqueira Campos (which is the same street SlimHoleDrill referred to, I think). I marked everything on the attached Google images.

EAThat's exactly the area I was trying to describe. Thanks for posting the map. Agree, the Barrio is quite safe (for Copacabana).

Bubba Boy
09-24-06, 17:43
I will be in Rio about two weeks after Carnival. Is this an extremely bad time to go? Does the action slow down very much. I'm hoping this is Rio and there are so many girls it still will be good. I am sure the Termas and agencies will be the same and I can't imagine Help ever slowing down. Any advice would be appricated.Jay

There is always heaps of girls around. During Carnaval and just after it there will be more than the usual number of girls. The number that tends to change is the amount of guys around, and this is what I find more relevant.

I tend to find when there is a heap of guys the girls have more power in their favour, this is a bad thing, prices go up, attitudes get worse. I tend to avoid Carnaval for this reason. It takes about a month after carnaval for this do get back to normal, for the girls attitudes to adjust to the fact that they can no longer get R300 at Help. To adjust to the fact that they need to work that bit harder to get guys.

Right now in Rio things are really quiet. There is a heap of girls around as per normal but there is not that many guys comparatively speaking. At Help last night the place was not that full but there were more substantially more girls than guys, hence a good night. In the Termas last week there was relatively few guys, plenty of girls, hence the girls are quiet happy to just sit with guys for a few hours and chill. I like to fell like the KING. When I go to Rio I aim for the quieter periods, I avoid Xmas, Carnal and August because all the Euro guys flood the joint.

Rio Bob
09-24-06, 18:39
I will be in Rio about two weeks after Carnival. Is this an extremely bad time to go? Jay

Jay, from several months to several weeks and days before Carnaval girls from all over Brazil and Brasilian girls from Europe start to arrive in Rio for the Carnaval season. So during this high season Rio is packed with the best stock of girls Rio has to offer all year albeit as Bubba Boy says you will also get the large influx of tourists causing prices to rise in the P4P scene.

In the weeks and sometimes months after Carnaval many of these girls will return to their hometowns and even Europe. So IMHO many girls will still be in Rio 2 weeks after Carnaval and you will see daily many girls saying good bye and going to the bus station to take their bus home wherever that may be, you may even experience many girls saying good bye to you because tomorrow they are catching the bus.

I believe the optimum time in Rio is several weeks before Carnaval when most of the Carnaval crowd has already arrived and not all the tourists have yet. So you still have a slight imbalance in your favor of girls to men to help in the negotiating of services. You will also experience during this time girls arriving on a daily basis. On the beach in front of the Othon Palace you will even see girls on the beach with their luggage and no place to sleep yet. They may have a slip of paper of a woman who will rent them a mattress along with the hot spots to frequent for the P4P scene. Yes some of these girls may work the P4P scene back home and some may not but will need some spending money for the Carnaval festivities. I met a great girl once during this time who was sleeping on a mattress in the kitchen of an apartment in Copa with many other girls, no wonder she liked to do TLN with me even in the Debret at the time.

Yes during Carnaval it is insane both prices and services as the girls are looking to maximize the money being made, probably the worst time for mongering is during Carnaval.

Off off season of course the prices are down and you have much more room to negotiate but IMHO I feel the quantity of quality girls is down too. My next trip to Rio is going to be what I believe is the optimum point of the season.

El Greco
09-24-06, 19:03
I will be in Rio about two weeks after Carnival. Is this an extremely bad time to go? Does the action slow down very much. I'm hoping this is Rio and there are so many girls it still will be good. I am sure the Termas and agencies will be the same and I can't imagine Help ever slowing down. Any advice would be appricated.

Jay

Instead of going after try to be there up to one week ahead of carnaval.
IMHO more fun.

I think it is a must once in a life time. I was there about 4-5 times. It used to be much better in the past. For the last years I am avoiding carnaval like hell.

Bubba Boy
09-24-06, 20:18
I would agree with Bob that some of the really nice stuff from Europe comes back for carnaval. Last year in Monte Carlo, which in my opinion does not have the best talent, had about 7 stunners just before carnaval. Of course these girls will not give the same service as girls that stay in Rio all the time, they have been spoilt by the might euro.

I have a good "friend" that comes back for carnaval each year, she doesn't work at all in rio anymore, hence if you can make contact with these chics before they become "tainted" one can reap the benefits from time to time.

Pana Nyc
09-25-06, 23:12
Hi,

I agree with Exec. As for me, ALL of my TLN takeouts have come from termas during my last two trips. At L'uomo it seems a big deal for the girls to make sure that management does not catch tem giving their phone numbers to clients. So it's all very hush-hush if you succeed to get a girl interested in coming with you. At 4*4 almost every girl I asked gave me her number, and pretty openly. So maybe they have a different rule there.

Why do I only do takeout from termas? I can be sure that they will not rob me in my room or otherwise cheat me. After all, I know where they work, and their job is important to them. I get very good GFE from them on takeout, because they speculate that they can have a more permanent relationship with me due to coming with me. About half of the time the girls come with me for free, because of that. Of course, it's also in my interest to keep this quiet, because of that.

euro
What was the going rate these terma garotas where going for? I didnt try to pick anything up for the TLN since it was my 1st trip to Rio did feel the need to since I did not do any repeats, the most I ever gave a garota sw was 150R. Will terma garotas go back with you for 200R?

Euro100
09-26-06, 00:34
What was the going rate these terma garotas where going for? I didnt try to pick anything up for the TLN since it was my 1st trip to Rio did feel the need to since I did not do any repeats, the most I ever gave a garota sw was 150R. Will terma garotas go back with you for 200R?

There is really no going rate. On my last trip I paid 300R for a two-hour dupla. One girl came with me TLN for free, but I had already done her twice on the same day in the terma. With one terma girl I had negotiated TLN for 150R, but then I had to pass, because something else came up.

It depends on how you get along with her and the chemistry that develops. You have to invest a bit of time to get to know her. Otherwise she will not give you her phone number or come back to your hotel or apartment. Terma girls are a little harder to get than SWs.

Rio Bob
09-26-06, 02:58
I would agree with Bob that some of the really nice stuff from Europe comes back for carnaval. Last year in Monte Carlo, which in my opinion does not have the best talent, had about 7 stunners just before carnaval. Of course these girls will not give the same service as girls that stay in Rio all the time, they have been spoilt by the might euro.

I have a good "friend" that comes back for carnaval each year, she doesn't work at all in rio anymore, hence if you can make contact with these chics before they become "tainted" one can reap the benefits from time to time.

Well that's unfortunate that girls who have worked in Europe and come back to Rio for the Carnaval season won't even work in Rio while there. Well they won't be crossing my path that's for sure.

Through the years I have met many girls who were working in Europe and most of them were fabulous. Of course they try to lie as to why they are in Europe but you know and sometimes I just let them have their lie so that they can feel good. I believe many come back because they love their country, they love Carnaval, they miss their country, They want to see their family, maybe it's slow season in Europe and it's high season in Rio, could be very lucrative.

I find these girls a little bit more seasoned and sophisticated for a GDP. Generally if they can leave Rio and make it in Europe they usually are a cut above than the average GDP in Copacabana IMHO of course.

Lorenzo
09-26-06, 20:15
At L'uomo it seems a big deal for the girls to make sure that management does not catch tem giving their phone numbers to clients. So it's all very hush-hush if you succeed to get a girl interested in coming with you.
euro
Let's deal with this issue first. I once had a L'uomo girl give me not only her phone number (her land line, not a cellular), but her real name and her address, right in the boite in full view of other garotas and customers. This was after I had had her in the supersuite two days in a row, and we hit it off well. She did not display any apprehension in doing this. Moreover, I have had several L'uomo girls give me their phone numbers without hesitation when I asked them, always when we were in the suite or cabine. I always called them later and made arrangements to see them outside. This was always after I had had sex with them and it became clear to both of us that there was some chemistry. I have never had a termas girl refuse to give me her phone number or display any hesitation or reservation in doing so.

I have had extensive experience with termas girls, both inside and outside the termas, since for several years it has been almost my only source of sex partners in Rio. As other posters have noted, you will find the highest quality girls there, you are in a safe environment, you never have to negotiate, except maybe for services, and you know what you're getting in advance, i.e., it's not a crapshoot like escort services. Over the years I have had many conversations with termas girls about what life is like working in the termas, and I think some mongers might find some of these facts enlightening. So here are some of the facts of life about working in a termas:

--Termas girls are expected to work 6 nights a week and are allowed one night off. The night off must be between Monday and Thursday. They are expected to work weekends because it is their busiest time. If they don't show up for work, they have to pay a fine. At L'uomo the fine is R150 on weeknights and R180 on Saturday or Sunday. There are no exceptions--illness, menstrual period, whatever--if they don't show, they have to pay.

--Now here I may be stating the obvious, but the main reason, probably the only reason, they work in the termas is for the money. Obvious, yes, but it may not be obvious how much of a chasm there is between what a girl can earn in a termas and what she could earn doing anything else. She isn't just earning a little more in the termas, she is earning many, many times more. This is true no matter how well educated she is, even for college graduates. One girl I saw for a while was a college grad and a biology teacher, but she told me that she could earn in a few nights more than she could earn in a month as a teacher, and on an especially busy day she could earn that month's salary in a single day. The smarter girls are very good businesswomen and invest their money wisely. Nearly all the smart ones who have been doing this for a while own their own homes, and some of them own two or three houses and rent them out. Many girls start working at the termas intending it to be temporary, usually with a specific goal in mind, and become so used to the life style that the money allows them that they stay in it for much longer than they intended. Some have even given up this life and gone back to a "regular" job, only to find the grind of having to work long hours for very little money such a grind that they go back to the termas or some other form of prostitution. My biology teacher friend, who is also a nurse, is a good example. She went back to teaching for a while, but she's now an escort in Milan, Italy, making a lot more money than she could in Brazil, even when you factor in the transoceanic airfare every 3 months. This is why I say once a prostitute, always a prostitute. Unless she finds a man to marry or otherwise support her, a GDP may leave "o programa" temporarily, but she will always be back and will stay there as long as she remains physically attractive enough to get clients.

--These girls fuck a lot more guys than many of us would like to admit to ourselves, especially if we are fond of them. I have been told by several girls that the average for an attractive, personable girl is 4 men a day, but that on a busy day they can do as many as 10. Really. This is because many of the Brazilian guys, especially those who opt for the short session in the cabine, are only interested in getting off as quickly as possible and then getting the hell out of there and home to their wives.

--These girls have told me unanimously that they prefer non-Latin foreigners, i.e. Americans and western Europeans, to Brazilians. Now here there is a good chance that they were telling me what they thought I wanted to hear, but the fact that they ALL told me this indicates that this is probably true. Why? They say that gringos are gentler with them, are more likely to be concerned that they are satisfied, and are more generous with buying them drinks, etc., on which they get a percentage. They say that Americans almost always want to go down on them, something they love if it is done skillfully, whereas the likelihood of this is less with other nationalities.

--Contrary to what you might expect, the girls are allowed to turn down a customer if they find him unattractive or distasteful, although I suppose it would raise the eyebrows of management if they did this a lot. They are allowed to refuse certain sexual acts, especially anal, if they don't like them. They are required to use condoms for vaginal or anal intercourse, but some will let you enter them vaginally without a condom provided you don't ejaculate inside them. Some of those who are considered top of the line will let a guy enter her bareback, then let him come in her mouth. Naturally word of this gets around to other customers, so these girls are highly in demand. They are very selective about who they will do this with, so some customers who are turned down when they request this get pissed. Their decision to allow bareback is usually based on a man's hygiene and general savoir faire, their assumption being that a sophisticated guy will be knowledgable enough to keep himself free of STDs. At some termas, L'uomo and Monte Carlo to be exact, they are encouraged but not required to use condoms for oral sex. This is why it is necessary to negotiate services before you commit to a girl. If a girl won't do BBBJ, I won't go with her.

--In the case of two termas, Monte Carlo and Solarium, both of which have the same owner, the owners will arrange outside dates with high rollers for top of the line girls. This may explain why you find less attractive girls at Monte Carlo; the best ones are out servicing private clients. This can be very lucrative for the girl, earning her four figures in just a few days. E.g., it's not unusual for Japanese clients in Rio for business to ask for an attractive woman to be his companion during for his entire stay, staying at his hotel, etc. They will often bring the girl to business dinners and pass her off as his wife, their assumption being that they are more likely to land a Brazilian contract if they have a Brazilian wife. I have no idea if this assumption has any validity.

--Perhaps the most nefarious practice of termas owners is their pressuring the girls to take birth control pills in such a manner, or on such a schedule, that they will never menstruate. Obviously they will be more available that way. This isn't required, but encouraged. If the girl agrees, the pills are dispensed by management, which knows exactly how to schedule them. If a girl refuses, she will nevertheless be expected to show up when she is having her period, or else pay the fine. If she shows up, she is expected to service the clients the best way she can, orally or anally, or even vaginally if the client doesn't mind the blood. Of course the smarter girls refuse to take the pills on this type of schedule, knowing that it could cause damage, possibly irreparable, to their reproductive system.

--What do the girls consider the downside of working in the termas? When discussing this, you can expect many of them to be less than fully forthcoming, but when you get to know them they will often open up. In no necessary order, here are some of the downsides: always having to be "on;" having to have sex with men they find unattractive or boorish and pretending to enjoy it; (surprisingly) having to drink too much, in that they are expected to drink and consume drinks bought for them by clients (contrary to myth, the "girlie" drinks are not tea made to look like whiskey; they are real alcoholic drinks, and the girls often get quite drunk during the course of a workday); the pervasive cigarette smoke; the loud music constantly pounding their eardrums for an entire workday. I have asked several termas girls whether they really enjoy sex with customers or if it is just work and they fake their passion. They all tell me that most of the time they enjoy it. However, here there is considerable room for scepticism because, after all, I am one of those customers, so naturally she is going to say that she enjoys it. I can say, however, that on a few ocassions I could tell that a girl was genuinely having an orgasm becaue I could feel her vaginal walls opening and closing on my dick while she was moaning with (seeming) ecstasy. I'm not sure if this can be faked. Moreover, the fact that they are nearly always wet when you start probing below indicates some kind of arousal, unless she is able to slip some kind of lubricant in there before she even goes back to the room with you. But they're always wet when I do them outside as well, so who really knows.

--Continuing with the negative, some of them lament the inability to have a personal life in that there is so little time outside the termas. Some of them have boyfriends who are tolerant of what they do, but I think most don't. BTW, these are the ones who are most likely to insist on CBJs, because this is what they promised their boyfriends. But most don't have boyfriends, and I think this is why they are so ready to accept outside engagements--not just for the money, but for the human contact outside of the highly artificial setting of the termas. Because I believe that, deep down inside, most termas girls are very lonely (as, if we are honest with ourselves, are most mongers). Probably the dream of most GDPs is to get married and live a "normal" life, but I'm not sure how many achieve this.

So there you have it. I think, or at least hope, I've given a pretty good idea of what the life of a termas girl is like. So is it any wonder that they don't balk at outside engagements? What better way to break the monotony, and make a little extra change on the side. BTW, I love termas girls; the better ones are among my favorite people on this planet. They, like me and I think many of the users of this board, exemplify Thoreau's ideal of "marching to the beat of a different drummer."

Lorenzo

Carlos Primeros
09-26-06, 21:01
well spoken (written)

I have made the identical experiences with Therma girls - mostly they do not have boy-friends and are happy about the human contact. What you described is the truth.

Carlos

Bubba Boy
09-26-06, 21:58
I agree with Lorenzo with about 90% of what he said. The other 10% just comes down to opinion.


I would also like to add.

*** If you are clean, treat the girls with respect, are not a weirdo, and not half bad looking, you will have more phone numbers thrown at you than you can possibly deal with. I have never asked a girl for a phone number, had plenty demand I call them. I have also never paid a T girl to come to my house, sure a couple have hit me up for a “present” or asked to pay bills, but this could be expected of a normal “boyfriend” as well, particularly a perceived rich foreigner ( all foreigners are perceived to be rich). I don’t do the “pay bills” thing. I am under no illusions that a perceived better life is the goal, but many of my western girlfriends have often gone down this route as well, so it is not out of the ordinary. Everyone wants a better life I guess.

*** The percentage of girls that actually finish with a house or other property that they have paid for out of earnings I would think would be less than 10%. Most girls spend what they make and often more than they make. After all, most are not highly educated. Good luck to the ones that are actually smart enough to do this, they have my admiration.

*** I would think about 10% marry a client. This is a very viable way out of the poverty trap that the majority of Brazilians battle with on a constant basis. As I am sure a lot of Rio regulars know here when you break up with a T Girl they do not let go easily. They will hound the shit out of you forever with 20 + calls a day, numerous emails etc. They will only get a few shots at marriage to a western guy and they pursue this with vigor. I usually throw my prepaid chip out after I break up with a T Girl, much more peaceful that way. The majority marry Euro guys.

*** A lot of girls have girlfriends rather than boy friends, I think this is a “company” thing rather than a sexual thing most times.

*** 1 clarification. The number of working days they are expected to work. I believe the number is a minimum of 5, could be wrong and it could be different at each Terma. It is definitely a minimum of 5 at Centaraus, Monte,Solarium and I think Lúomo as well because my favourite there definitely gets 2 days off a weak, maybe it is different for longer term girls.

Urcarioca
09-27-06, 00:16
Read carefully these 2 posts, it's just the way it goes, period. Thanks for clarify it for all of us, now everyone should know where they "pise os pés".

Bubba Boy
09-27-06, 15:34
Not much is spoken about T Girls and Bareback full sex (BBFS). A lot more of it goes on within a Terma than is usually discussed here. I personally know of a small number of girls that will BB most guys without much encouragement. I am thinking the percentage is relatively small, maybe 10%, but then I don’t seek this out. I am thinking for guys that do seek this out one could find it is higher. It would be even higher again for guys that are well known in a T, regulars get more freedoms than tourists on a first time/one time visit.

It would not be a good idea for a first time visitor to ask for this before going to the cabine. The girls that offer BBFS will try to slip it in without a condom in the cabine itself, they don’t advertise the fact before, specifically asking for BBFS would probably cause offence and would be quickly relayed from girl to girl within the T, hence you would quickly become a pariah within that T.

What I do know more about is BBFS by T Girls outside the T. I have found that once you see the same girls a few times within the T, they will assume some connection exists. This will invariable lead to meeting you outside the Terma. Now as I explained below, I do not pay T Girls to come to my place, hence she assumes I am now her boyfriend. Some times I get offered BBFS on the first date outside the T, other times it will be offered after a couple of visits. Usually they just try to slip it in sem camisinha (without condom) I do not accept their offer of BBFS as I don’t see the relationship in the same light that a T Girl wishes it to exist. That is not to say I have never done a T Girl without. I succumbed on my first visit because I was under the illusion there was something between us, now that I have more experience I see the situation a lot clearer. I have also had a couple of relationships with T Girls that weren’t working at the time and the relationships lasted 6+ months and hence BBFS was eventually practiced.

I am sure that I could BB pretty much 80% of T girls if I wanted to. Would involve doing then 2 or 3 times in the T, then a couple of “dates” outside the T, maybe 10 days from meeting them for the first time to being BB. Relationships progress very quickly in Brazil.

Sperto
09-27-06, 16:58
Barebacking a GP in Brazil is risky business. More than 600000 infected by HIV. That is 1 out of 300. Not forgetting all the other nasty diseases you could catch.

I hate the feeling of agony I get the day after barebacking in Brazil. :(

Tawan
09-27-06, 18:17
Barebacking a GP in Brazil is risky business. More than 600000 infected by HIV. That is 1 out of 300. Not forgetting all the other nasty diseases you could catch.:(Good point. A couple years ago, I had already been barebacking my termas "girlfriend" for several months, when I learned she had gone through a bout of herpes just weeks before we met. She never said a thing about this - I found out by accident when she was showing me old emails from guys abroad. Interestingly, it was mostly her idea to start BB'ing...not that I had the brains to resist.

Basically, we started barebacking on the 4th session. A couple sessions later, she she told me to "put on a condom, you're going to comer minha bunda gostosa." So she wasn't THAT crazy. Except... well, later we gave up condoms for that practice, too. (I know, I know, this is sick...but trust me, I wouldn't do it today, now that I understand the girls better.)

The funny thing is, if you met this particular termas girl, you'd assume she was smart, responsible, ambitious, with a bright future. But she later admitted (after we'd broken up and become just friends) she'd done this with at least 2 previous clients over the past year or so. She was also having unprotected sex with her poor Brazilian boyfriend, risking his health, all this time. So, be careful with your termas girl, she may not be mean-spirited but she may well uneducated, or perhaps I should just say "totally ignorant."

Now to be fair, I know many girls who would absolutely never consider BBFS with a client, they simply don't see any need or reason to offer it and they see those who do as totally maluca. 80% sounds a bit high.

Something else I've wondered about.. Even though I have lived in Brazil on and off for almost 10 years, and heard countless hours of gossip from current and former termas girls (all friends of my ex-"girlfriend") I never once heard of a termas girl getting AIDs, despite the somewhat rampant barebacking. Has anyone?

Finally - I haven't been on this board for long, but I want to mention that the posts by Lorenzo and Bubba Boy below contain more accurate information than any I've come across here so far. I recomend reading them twice. The only big miss, IMHO, was the point about termas girls winding up in possession of real estate - I sincerely wish that were true, but the sad reality is that for most, their spending habits skyrocket even faster than their incomes.

Sekoya
09-27-06, 18:59
Barebacking a GP in Brazil is risky business. More than 600000 infected by HIV. That is 1 out of 300. Not forgetting all the other nasty diseases you could catch.

Keep in mind, guys, that roughly 60% of HIV cases are in Rio and Sao Paulo. So don't go thinkin' your odds are good just because 1 out of 300, or so, are infected.

Stats mean nothing if the infections are concentrated in a couple of areas that happen to be mongering destinations.

Lorenzo
09-27-06, 19:06
a few more points about t girls, following bubba's post.

when you say that no more than 10% own their own homes, we are actually in agreement here. i said that the "smarter" ones own their own homes and have other property investments. i can cite some specific examples. a t girl that i had a 4-year relationship with owned 2 houses, and her friend, also a t girl (the 3 of us had a few threesomes together) owned 3 houses. but you're right, the smart ones don't number more than 10%.

when you say that many have girlfriends instead of boyfriends, you're right again. i neglected to mention this. i once picked out a girl at l'uomo who insisted that i do a threesome with her girlfriend, to which i reluctantly agreed. they freely acknowledged that they were lovers. in the supersuite they entertained me with lesbian sex with each other before i did both of them.

regarding the length of the work week, i was told by a l'uomo girl in august that the work week was 6 days. maybe she was lying; who knows? maybe it's different at other termas. the centro and gloria termas aren't even open on weekends, so the girls there must have a 5 day week. the main point is that, whether it is a 5 or 6 day work week, the girls don't have a lot of free time when you consider that they work until 2 or 3am (except on weekends) and then have to be back at work the next afternoon, sometimes early but definitely no later than 5pm.

now on to the subject of barebacking. only a fool would deny that there are risks to barebacking, but the question is how high is the risk? what is the probability of being infected? i am not an advocate of barebacking. this is a personal choice that every monger must make, and whatever choice is made should be respected. if you don't feel comfortable doing it uncovered, then by all means don't. however, let's take a look at a few things.

judging by the comments on this forum, i think it's fair to say that most mongers engage in daty, presumably without a dental dam or any other barrier. now why would the risk of infection be any higher from bbfs than from daty? the issue is exchange of bodily fluids, in this case vaginal secretions. in both cases, bbfs and daty, vaginal secretions come into contact with the partner's skin, the penis with bbfs and the mouth and tongue with daty. there is a danger of your partner's secretions entering your bloodstream if you have an open cut or sore anywhere; for this reason i always check my hands for any cuts before i insert my fingers into a woman, and if i have any i don't do it. now where are you more likely to have an open cut or sore, on your penis or in your mouth? if you eat a woman's pussy, especially if you probe with your tongue, you will have her secretions all over your tongue and lips. if you have sore gums, the chance of infection is heightened. yet how many cases have you hear about of men getting infected from daty? i'm not saying it has never happened, but i have never heard of it happening. btw, infection from bbfs could also come from secretions entering the body through the urethra, although i would think this is unlikely.

i have gone bareback a few times, but in the overwhelming majority of my sexual encounters i have used a condom. in the past year i have discovered a condom, trojan supras, that i swear feels just like you are doing it bareback, so the temptation to ask for bareback is less. this condom is polyurethane, not latex. it is much thinner than a latex condom, and it also transmits body heat, which is the primary reason for the natural feeling. a similar condom, although imho not quite as good, is durex avanti. both of these can be ordered online from http://www.undercovercondoms.com.

i have a question for those who have barebacked with t girls, especially bubba: does the t girl allow you to ejaculate inside her? my experience has been, almost universally, that if a t girl allows me to enter her uncovered, it is with the stipulation that i not ejaculate inside her. what i usually do in this case is, when i feel close to orgasm, withdraw and put on a condom, then reenter and ejaculate with the condom. i have also ejaculated on her belly or let her finish me off orally. all of them are equally satisfactory. only once has a brazilian gdp let me ejaculate inside her, and this was in salvador. i'm wondering if others have had similar experiences.

my decision whether to bareback or not is based on instinct and intuition, both of which i prize highly. it is based on the girl and my instinctive feelings about her. if the girl is slovenly or stupid, i will never bareback her, because i assume she is careless. for example, i have never been to villa mimosa, but from what i have read on this thread i would never bareback a girl from there, because i would assume that the girl is stupid just to be working there. the same with a streetwalker: no barebacking. but if the t girl is smart, clean, articulate and well-informed, then i am willing to take my chances. the more reluctant the girl is to do it, the more likely i am to want to. if a girl agrees readily, i probably won't do it.

if i do decide to go bareback, i always--always--take the following precautions (these were actually suggested by a physician, who is also a monger): 1) immediately after ejaculating, i go to the bathroom and [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111); this flushes out the urethra (for this reason, avoid cabines, which sometimes don't have bathrooms--go for the suite or supersuite); 2) i then wash my genitalia and the entire surrounding area with soap and hot water; 3) after washing and drying, i then cleanse my penis with a disposable hand cleaner that consists primarily of ethyl alcohol. it stings a bit, especially around the head, but wtf. you can pick these up at any pharmacy. i always bring them along when i monger. (hiv is a very fragile virus that will die soon after being exposed to open air and can be killed by alcohol.) only then do i go back to the bed for afterplay and post-coital conversation. i have been barebacking working girls intermittently for 25 years. i get an annual hiv test and have always tested negative, so it seems to be working. but as i said above, if you don't feel comfortable doing it, then don't do it.

a final point. i am sure some will ask, why? why take the risk, even if it somewhat remote? the answer is simple. there are few pleasures in life more intense, more gratifying, than the feel of my bare dick inside a wet pussy. it's as simple as that. and, to be able to partake of that pleasure, i am willing to take a few risks.

lorenzo

Bubba Boy
09-27-06, 19:45
In regards to the working week, I am thinking it is a minimum 5 days at Zona Sul T's with a preference by managment to have them work 6 days. Maybe that get a pass for good behaviour ;-) . The centro T's are as you stated completely different. I am thinking it is a minimum 4 days which gives them more time to play around i guess.

In regards to BBFS, my situation is a bit different because the girls actually stopped working completely when we were having a "relationship". Hence sex was just like a normal couple, whatever that may be. I don't do any T girls in the T sem.

Bubba Boy
09-27-06, 20:06
She was also having unprotected sex with her poor Brazilian boyfriend, risking his health, all this time. So, be careful with your termas girl, she may not be mean-spirited but she may well uneducated, or perhaps I should just say "totally ignorant."

I am currently reading "The Brazilians" by Joseph A Page. It outlines the history of Brazil from the begining to 1995. One point it raises is that Brazilians have a higher willingness to accept risk in their lives. When you think about it, Brazil has lurched from one crisis to another, and experienced a sometimes extremely violent past. Hence, the aversion to risk, live for today, don't think to much about the consequences because tomorrow may not come.


The only big miss, IMHO, was the point about termas girls winding up in possession of real estate - I sincerely wish that were true, but the sad reality is that for most, their spending habits skyrocket even faster than their incomes.

I agree with this point totally. The average T girl is young, not well educated, and willing to spend. Another point that some people miss is that a good T Girl only averages about R5000 per month. A lot earn less, only the superstars earn a little more. When you pay rent, go to a few parties, buy clothes, do the hair and nails, there isn't much if anything left. It is true that Brasil is cheaper than most western cities to live, it is not all that cheaper if you want to live to a western standard.

El Austriaco
09-27-06, 20:30
For example, I have never been to Villa Mimosa, but from what I have read on this thread I would never bareback a girl from there, because I would assume that the girl is stupid just to be working there. The same with a streetwalker: no barebacking.

Lorenzo
I've never been to VM, though I know quite a bit of freelancers currently in the Copa business that used to work or do work there, by their own admission, and I know quite a bit of downtown termas very well. Here are my observations:

1) While it might seem stupid for a girl to work in VM, for example, or other cheap places in Centro where they make a fraction of what they could make in Copacabana, it might make perfect sense to her, based on her individual circumstances (the likelihood of scoring a quick buck, the ongoing competition and turf war of Copa girls, the need to keep somewhat regular working hours to keep her activities a secret from her family, personal safety, etc.). Working in different places over time, IMHO, has little to do with stupidity, but more with personal circumstances. It certainly has little to do with safe sex practices.

2) Girls rotate so much in and out of the Rio P4P tourist segments and places frequented by locals that it is sort of risky to assume that just because you meet a girl, say, at MC, she has never worked anywhere else in Rio, including some cheap ass places. The fact is, you can meet Barbarella and Termas girls in Help on offdays... just like you can find girls there that during the day work in Centro fast foda places. What I am trying to say is that the neat distinction "T girls" vs. "streetwalkers/freelancers" might be very blurry in reality as girls like to freelance or moonlight, and this differentiation might become entirely useless when you follow a specific girl over time. For those who don't believe me, try to hang out on Prado Júnior in the vicinity of Barbarella in early morning hours and check out the regulars from Balcony, Help, etc. who stop by there on a daily basis in search of a quick lay. You will recognize a lot of faces.

3) In all the cheap places I've ever been to in Centro, CBJ is the standard practice, just like CFS. DATY might only be offered very occasionally, once you have established some sort of connection with a girl, but these places are called "fast foda" (i.e. "fast fuck", a spoof off the English "fast food") for a reason: if you buy 20 minutes for R$ 15, there usually isn't a whole lot of time for foreplay and stuff like DFK, DATY, etc. I was offered bareback FS only once, this past February, by a newbie girl I had never seen before. Once in the cabin, she offered me BB everything for an extra R$ 20.00. I decided to go for the BBBJ and shoot the load all over her tits, but declined the BBFS. IMHO, if BBFS is offered, it has less to do with lack of education or stupidity on the part of the girl, but rather with greed. As I said, this was the one and ONLY time I've seen this happen in a cheap place, so if it is offered there, I can't imagine that it is demand-driven. It's greed driven.

4) Based on what I've read here, it seems that BB is much more of a common practice in the more high-end termas that most mongers here usually go to. While I am not enough of a termas expert to come to a definite conclusion as to why, I have a hunch that simply because these places are on the higher end of the food chain in Rio, the girls are directly or subtlely encouraged (by management, customers, or competition, or everything at the same time) to be more accommodating of customer' whims. This puts pressure on them to engage in practices they normally would not engage in or personally don't like. Of course, they simply brush it off by saying "hey, but look at how much money I can make by doing this, so...". My impression is that there, yes, BBFS is driven by popular customer demand ("since I am paying more...").

5) As tempting as doing a GDP BB in Rio might seem, and as good as these girls are at telling you and try to make you believe that "I only do it for you", IMHO, it is still a very risky proposition regardless of with whom and where you do it. Talking about AIDS, they used to say "you don't cover up, you essentially sleep with everyone that your partner has had uncovered sex with". Just keep in mind that most likely, you are not the only one who has indulged into that option and that your partner is a professional P4P sex provider whose job is to have sex with clients. How many people your partner has had unprotected sex with is up to anyone´s guess, but you can be sure that the numbers are not on the low end of things.

6) The only two reasons I can think of that would make high-end termas girls safer in terms of STDs are 1) regular medical checkups and 2) an overall lesser number of clients serviced. Back in 2004, I went to MC once and was ready to go to a cabine with a girl when she had to suddenly leave, apparently for a checkup by an onsite doctor, as another girl explained to me afterwards. Are regular checkups of Termas girls standard practice or is this just being claimed to calm down customers? I really don't know. Trying to gage how many customers a girl does on a daily basis is extremely difficult and might be pointless, anway... since you just don't know what else she is up to after hours or on her offdays (with other clients, possible BF, etc.).

Conclusion for me: can you find girls that are willing to offer you BB, usually at a premium, in Rio? Sure you can. But barebacking a GDP in Rio is a risky endeavour regardless of whether she works in a cheap-ass or high-end place. Working at a high-end place with more income potential does not necessarily make a GDP smarter: just more business-savvy, or greedier, if you prefer. The only thing you should be concerned about in terms of her smarts is her attitude towards barebacking. Think about it: she wouldn't offer it unless she thought you were interested, and if you do accept, she HAS to assume you have BBed other girls before. In other words: she is willing to trade in basic safety for bucks. This does not make her terribly smart in my book, at least.

BTW, one common saying that I have heard a lot among Copa hookers is that "The business is about surviving. Getting pregnant in the line of business is really the least of your problems. Getting a deadly disease isn't".

The only safe thing to assume is that if a girl asks YOU to go bareback with her, she has offered it to OTHERS before, countless others... and she has gone bareback before. How many others and where and under what circumstances doesn't really matter. Don't be blinded by the good looks and the upscale Termas atmosphere. AIDS doesn't care.

But of course, it's your life... and hers. You decide to play with it, at least become informed about minimizing the risks as much as you can.

EA

Bubba Boy
09-27-06, 21:09
There are worse things to catch than AIDS. For some reason it is the "name" disease.

The chance of catching from unprotected sex with an infected person is about 1%. This jumps to 10% with the act of Anal sex. Sharing a needle, 50% + . The chance of dying from AIDS now, in the western world, once contracting the disease, is quite low. The treatments available render the disease 90% survivable.

One thing that most assume is the rate of AIDS is higher in South America than other parts of the world. The rate of AIDS in Brazil is about the same as the US.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/br.html

The Corn Hole
09-27-06, 21:10
judging by the comments on this forum, i think it's fair to say that most mongers engage in daty, presumably without a dental dam or any other barrier. now why would the risk of infection be any higher from bbfs than from daty? the issue is exchange of bodily fluids, in this case vaginal secretions. in both cases, bbfs and daty, vaginal secretions come into contact with the partner's skin, the penis with bbfs and the mouth and tongue with daty. there is a danger of your partner's secretions entering your bloodstream if you have an open cut or sore anywhere; for this reason i always check my hands for any cuts before i insert my fingers into a woman, and if i have any i don't do it. now where are you more likely to have an open cut or sore, on your penis or in your mouth? if you eat a woman's pussy, especially if you probe with your tongue, you will have her secretions all over your tongue and lips. if you have sore gums, the chance of infection is heightened. yet how many cases have you hear about of men getting infected from daty? i'm not saying it has never happened, but i have never heard of it happening. btw, infection from bbfs could also come from secretions entering the body through the urethra, although i would think this is unlikely.

i have gone bareback a few times, but in the overwhelming majority of my sexual encounters i have used a condom. in the past year i have discovered a condom, trojan supras, that i swear feels just like you are doing it bareback, so the temptation to ask for bareback is less. this condom is polyurethane, not latex. it is much thinner than a latex condom, and it also transmits body heat, which is the primary reason for the natural feeling. a similar condom, although imho not quite as good, is durex avanti. both of these can be ordered online from http://www.undercovercondoms.com.

i have a question for those who have barebacked with t girls, especially bubba: does the t girl allow you to ejaculate inside her? my experience has been, almost universally, that if a t girl allows me to enter her uncovered, it is with the stipulation that i not ejaculate inside her. what i usually do in this case is, when i feel close to orgasm, withdraw and put on a condom, then reenter and ejaculate with the condom. i have also ejaculated on her belly or let her finish me off orally. all of them are equally satisfactory. only once has a brazilian gdp let me ejaculate inside her, and this was in salvador. i'm wondering if others have had similar experiences.

my decision whether to bareback or not is based on instinct and intuition, both of which i prize highly. it is based on the girl and my instinctive feelings about her. if the girl is slovenly or stupid, i will never bareback her, because i assume she is careless. for example, i have never been to villa mimosa, but from what i have read on this thread i would never bareback a girl from there, because i would assume that the girl is stupid just to be working there. the same with a streetwalker: no barebacking. but if the t girl is smart, clean, articulate and well-informed, then i am willing to take my chances. the more reluctant the girl is to do it, the more likely i am to want to. if a girl agrees readily, i probably won't do it.

if i do decide to go bareback, i always--always--take the following precautions (these were actually suggested by a physician, who is also a monger): 1) immediately after ejaculating, i go to the bathroom and [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111); this flushes out the urethra (for this reason, avoid cabines, which sometimes don't have bathrooms--go for the suite or supersuite); 2) i then wash my genitalia and the entire surrounding area with soap and hot water; 3) after washing and drying, i then cleanse my penis with a disposable hand cleaner that consists primarily of ethyl alcohol. it stings a bit, especially around the head, but wtf. you can pick these up at any pharmacy. i always bring them along when i monger. (hiv is a very fragile virus that will die soon after being exposed to open air and can be killed by alcohol.) only then do i go back to the bed for afterplay and post-coital conversation. i have been barebacking working girls intermittently for 25 years. i get an annual hiv test and have always tested negative, so it seems to be working. but as i said above, if you don't feel comfortable doing it, then don't do it.

a final point. i am sure some will ask, why? why take the risk, even if it somewhat remote? the answer is simple. there are few pleasures in life more intense, more gratifying, than the feel of my bare dick inside a wet pussy. it's as simple as that. and, to be able to partake of that pleasure, i am willing to take a few risks.
lorenzo

ok, i think you have made some good points and i'm going to clarify something you said above in a minute. one thing i question is your declaration of a terma girl working at a terma in order to pay her way through school. i've talked to local guys at the jiu jitsu school that i frequent. these guys are considered upper class and many of them are enrolled in college. many of them have told me when discussing various types of pros in rio that it would be rare for a terma girl to be enrolled in college while she's working and most do not save up their money for anything that has to do with furthering their education. they're just simply driven by monetary greed and have no long term goals.

it seems many today are bearing their souls about barebacking wg's. i certianly cannot say i've always used rubbers for intercourse with pros. but what i will say is i think it's naive for anyone to think girls who work inside a terma are really any safer to bb with than girls you meet at hellp or even streetwalkers. so what if they routinely get tested while they're working at a terma. termas use the elisa test that only detects the specific antibodies that are produced to fight hiv. most of the time these antibodies don't show up until 2 to 3 months later. also, the girls who jump around from various brazilian bf's should be of concern. some of these guys could be bisexual and you never know if they fuck around with trannies or whatever. just by observing the behaviour of many brazilian men i sometimes think there are many, many in the closet homos in rio. if some of these guys are punting and catching that would make them prime vectors for hiv. if they are doing your favorite girl in the ass on a routine basis she could easily catch hiv if her bf is infected.

about infections from vaginal secretions. if we are talking about hiv which obviously is the most worrisome than i think it is important to understand that the virus itself most of the time is not present in women's vaginal canal. the reason being that the virus itself needs alkaline fluids to survive and replicate. it cannot survive very long in an acidic fluid. obviously the first fluid the virus is going to choose to set up shop is the blood because it is the most alkaline at a ph level of 7.4. the next is semen which is only mildly alkaline compared to the blood, then vaginal fluid then saliva. all this was told to me by a biochemist i know. if a woman has a high viral load count in her blood there will only be trace amounts of it in her vaginal fluids and usually not enough to infect someone even if they do have a cut on their finger. if she is on the mens and her viral load is pretty high then that could transmit the virus to a male if he had an open wound on the penis but it would be unlikely.

i'm sorry but all these reports of men being infected through vaginal sex are simply not true and i question all of the men who say that is how they became hiv positive.

Sperto
09-27-06, 22:08
If the girl is slovenly or stupid, I will never bareback her, because I assume she is careless. For example, I have never been to Villa Mimosa, but from what I have read on this thread I would never bareback a girl from there, because I would assume that the girl is stupid just to be working there. The same with a streetwalker: no barebacking. But if the T girl is smart, clean, articulate and well-informed, then I am willing to take my chances.
VM girls might not be the cleanest, most articulate or well-informed girls, but they ain't stupid. VM is propably the place in Rio where the GPs are most strict with using condoms.

Stupid is the terma-girl who offers BB.

Sperto
09-27-06, 22:09
* 660,000: Estimated number of people in Brazil living with HIV/AIDS by the end of 2003.
* 0,5%: Estimated percentage of adults (ages 15-49) living with HIV/AIDS by the end of 2005.
* 75,2% are to be found in the states of SP and RJ.
* GPs are a high risk group. 6,9% HIV positive among GPs (Santos in SP).
* There are estimated 5000 GPs working in Copacabana. More or less 345 are infected.

"Bota camisinha
Bota meu amor
Que hoje tá chovendo
Não vai fazer calor"

Mangera
09-27-06, 23:15
I am pretty sure many girls at Termas get tested for HIV, yet I would not bet on the test or it results being so accurate. This past March, I was with an incredible looking mulatta in Solarium, and we were having a long wonderful conversation. She has been to Spain on several occassions, so she also speaks spanish very well, as do I. In the middle of our conversation, we were interrupted by the manager, and he said a couple of quick words to her. I asked what it was about, and she said he was telling her when she was scheduled to be tested. Common practice there, according to her. By the way, banged her ( with a rubber).

At Luomo's front desk, a friend of mine who is paranoid of catching anything, including a cold ( this guy wears two rubbers at a time, all the time), drilled the front desk with many questions, and they responded that all of their ladies get tested.

Personally, I don't trust anyone in any of those places. I have been offered bareback a few times from T girls as well as escorts, I always politely say "no thanks". I want to be around for many more years so I can continue to bang as many women as I desire, so I don't think its worth the risk.

I always wear protection, but I must admit that Std's are a big concern for me. I always try to hold back when it comes to daty, but there are some girls that I just can't resist, yet I am aware at that critical moment when they have their ass on my face that I am taking a risk. I basically have only done daty to three different ladies in all of my mongering adventures, and God knows there have been many adventures( I have displayed incredible discipline). Daty has always been standard procedure with my steady girlfriends in the States, but not abroad.

When dealing with gdp's, and going through the interview process when meeting them, I usually like it when they initiate the statement that they do not do bareback, which does not garantee anything, but at least shows they take certain precautions, which just improves the statistics in your favor as far as HIV is concerned or diseases in general.

Someone made a point earlier that 60% of the HIV infected in Brazil live in Rio and Sao P. Well, those numbers are skewed a bit considering that Sao P. is the second most populated city in the world, and the amount of gdp's on Rio, that would be expected. But, by no means should you think its a free for all in other cities in Brasil. For example, when I was in Natal in June, I spoke to many gdp's that were from different parts of Brasil, including Rio and S. Pao. So if you meet them there, or are you are in the hobby, your chances of catching a dsease are just as high than being in a bigger city. Same thing goes for Bahia de Sal.

In all my travels, I think its the hardest to show self control in Brasil when it comes to safe sex and how much risk one takes. I think this is accurate only because I truly believe that Brasilian GDP's give better gfe than any other ladies in the world. At times, we can get caught up in the moment, and be undisciplined, and let our guard down ( bareback, daty, etc.), and run a higher risk of catching something. Just my thoughts and opinion.

Gentlemen, please be wise and use your top head before using your second head. Laters!

Umgman
09-28-06, 01:32
There are worse things to catch than AIDS. For some reason it is the "name" disease.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/br.html


The Reason it is the 'name' disease, guys, is because it does kill you. Dead. Don't let Magic Johnson fool you. He is the exception rather than the rule. To live as long as he has you must be wealthy and lucky.

Imagine having to live every single day of your life taking a cocktail of pills many times per day every single day without exception for the rest of your life. And yes, that 'life' will probably be significantly curtailed by an associated infection that you pick up along the line. Oh, and let's not forget the stigma of being HIV positive. And the forever worry of passing the disease on to someone you care about.

The are worse things than HIV you can catch? Doubt it.

Polvo
09-28-06, 01:45
The only big miss, IMHO, was the point about termas girls winding up in possession of real estate - I sincerely wish that were true, but the sad reality is that for most, their spending habits skyrocket even faster than their incomes.It's shoes that they go for!! Check their closet!

What are the risks of catching an STD as a man doing DATY? Almost zero.

There is a small risk of herpes transmission, if one or the other is infected and has an outbreak or asymptomatic shedding. Gonorrhea, chlamydia, HIV, and hepatitis transmission by cunnilingus--in either direction--is extremely rare, if it occurs at all.
Source: H. Hunter Handsfield, M.D., Senior Health Research Leader at the Battelle Center for Public Health Research and Evaluation, and Clinical Professor of Medicine at the Center of AIDS and STD, University of Washington.

(Note: swallowing pussy juice - the stomach is very acid - nothing survives! Including you, if you breach your stomach wall)

OK??? BB is russian roulette - regardless of anyone's history. Your choice. The end.

Can we go back to graphic reports as my penis is currently retreating back into my body through fear? Please?

Polvo

Bubba Boy
09-28-06, 04:08
Solarium has some great talent right now. There is one babe, who I will refrain from naming because I am seeing a bit of her, who is possibly the best looking babe to grace a Terma. Think of a Naomi Campbell model type chic, just fantastic. Cristine, who I will name, is also smoking hot if you like the slim athletic, smoking body type morena, goes off in the cabine as well.

Team Stream
09-28-06, 06:20
termas use the elisa test that only detects the specific antibodies that are produced to fight hiv. most of the time these antibodies don't show up until 2 to 3 months later.termas and the rest of the world (including the usa) screens for hiv using elisa because it is the most sensitive (also most cost effective) test available. you can argue about the efficacy of the saliva vs. blood version of the test. if the elisa is positive, hiv status is confirmed with a western blot (high specificity).

most of the time, hiv antibodies are detectable within 6-9 weeks. this explains why testing after an exposure used to be and may still be at 6 weeks, 3 months and 6 months.

it not practical (cost-wise as well as qa issues) to use pcr or bdna (two tests that are sensitive direct detection assays for hiv rna).



about infections from vaginal secretions. if we are talking about hiv which obviously is the most worrisome than i think it is important to understand that the virus itself most of the time is not present in women's vaginal canal. the reason being that the virus itself needs alkaline fluids to survive and replicate. it cannot survive very long in an acidic fluid. obviously the first fluid the virus is going to choose to set up shop is the blood because it is the most alkaline at a ph level of 7.4. the next is semen which is only mildly alkaline compared to the blood, then vaginal fluid then saliva. all this was told to me by a biochemist i know. if a woman has a high viral load count in her blood there will only be trace amounts of it in her vaginal fluids and usually not enough to infect someone even if they do have a cut on their finger. if she is on the mens and her viral load is pretty high then that could transmit the virus to a male if he had an open wound on the penis but it would be unlikely.

i'm sorry but all these reports of men being infected through vaginal sex are simply not true and i question all of the men who say that is how they became hiv positive.okay, i don't know know or care about whatever in vitro crap a biochemist may say, but facts among knowledgable experts will say:

fact: hiv is transmitted through human secretions (high concentrated in seminal, cervical and vaginal), blood, or vertically through mom-baby (in utero or in theory through breast milk). intimate sexual contact through traumatized muscosa (rectal, penile, vaginal) is the most common (either through homosexual or heterosexual contact).

fact: the vast majority of hiv infections in africa occur by sexual transmission between heterosexuals with no compounding other risk factors (e.g. iv drug use).

fact: it is clear that the virus that the virus can be transmitted to either partner through vaginal intercourse. however, the risk of male-to-female transmission is approximately 20x higher than female-to-male. difference may be due in part to prolonged exposure to infected seminal fluid of the vaginal, cervical, and endometrial mucosa.

fact: from 2001 through 2004, the estimated number of hiv/aids cases in the usa decreased approximately 2% among males and 15% among females. in 2004, males accounted for 73% of all hiv/aids cases among adults and adolescents.


if i do decide to go bareback, i always--always--take the following precautions (these were actually suggested by a physician, who is also a monger): 1) immediately after ejaculating, i go to the bathroom and [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111); this flushes out the urethra (for this reason, avoid cabines, which sometimes don't have bathrooms--go for the suite or supersuite); 2) i then wash my genitalia and the entire surrounding area with soap and hot water; 3) after washing and drying, i then cleanse my penis with a disposable hand cleaner that consists primarily of ethyl alcohol. it stings a bit, especially around the head, but wtf. you can pick these up at any pharmacy. i always bring them along when i monger. (hiv is a very fragile virus that will die soon after being exposed to open air and can be killed by alcohol.) only then do i go back to the bed for afterplay and post-coital conversation. i have been barebacking working girls intermittently for 25 years.[CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112) after sex is not known to "decrease" your risk of obtaining a std. however, it may be a good idea, because it decreases exposure time.

washing with hot/cold water is also not known to "decrease" your risk of obtaining a std. however, it also probably also a good idea as it decreases exposure time, as long as you don't scrub too hard to cause additional trauma to the skin.

using an alcohol wipe to "dry" your penis may be a good idea, as long you are not causing my trauma to the skin.

if anyone is interested in reading some well-presented information in laymen's term, go to http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/transmission.htm

also all this talk about hiv is nice and everything, but i'm more concerned about hepatitis c (and hep b if one isn't vaccinated). i rather be stuck with a needle of hiv than a needle of hep c.

Mangera
09-28-06, 11:04
Thanks for the official daty report from an official institute. But as you said, their is still a slight chance. Herpes transmission is a big issue to many people, and one should be very cautious.

I make a point of not rushing into things and taking my time with my companion of choice, and giving her an inspection before playing that ever popular game, "hide the salami".

Its not a 100% full proof inspection, but it has helped me one time in the past detect a gdp that did have herpes. By the way, that gdp was in Bahia de Salvador, but she was born in Fortaleza. Laters!

Polvo
09-28-06, 13:34
Solarium has some great talent right now. There is one babe, who I will refrain from naming because I am seeing a bit of her, who is possibly the best looking babe to grace a Terma. Think of a Naomi Campbell model type chic, just fantastic. ....Which bit are you seeing?

Can we see the other bits (please)?

Polvo

Polvo
09-28-06, 15:57
Thanks for the official DATY report from an official institute....How do they get a job like that, and how do they do their research? That's what I want to know - and where is the application form?

Polvo

RexG
09-28-06, 17:52
I am pretty sure many girls at Termas get tested for HIV, yet I would not bet on the test or it results being so accurate.

I remember that a couple of years ago, the websites for the termas included a graphic shield (or polygon) showing the acronym "HIV" with a diagonal slash through it. I found this to be reassuring (probably wishful thinking). Today those graphics are no longer there.

Rio Bob
09-29-06, 02:49
A few more points about T girls, following Bubba's post.


Now on to the subject of barebacking. Only a fool would deny that there are risks to barebacking, but the question is how high is the risk?

Ok, I'm exhausted and I think so is this subject once again rsrsrsrsrsrrs.

Lorenzo, you certainly caused a stir, how many days did you spend in Brasil this last trip? Only 8?

Jackson, you can now move these posts to the "Safe sex in Brazil" Thread.

Lorenzo
09-29-06, 03:38
Lorenzo, you certainly caused a stir, how many days did you spend in Brasil this last trip? Only 3?
I was there 8 days. Why did you think I was only there 3?

Lorenzo
09-29-06, 04:02
Because I know you were on a big latin american trip, I thought you only spent 3 days in Rio, desculpe me.
You're excused. As for causing a stir, I'm just happy to see that readers of this thread are alive, awake, and alert, which is more than I can say for readers of some other threads. On the Cartagena thread, I voiced my opinion that most of Cartagena was a shithole and that no one in his right mind could even begin to compare it to Rio. I expected it to stir up a hornet's nest among Cartagena devotees. How many responses to that comment did I get? Zip. However, I did get a few telling me that I overpaid for sex in one of the local brothels. It seems that you find those types everywhere.

Lorenzo

Exec Talent
09-29-06, 15:22
I just don't get this place. Sorry.

Except for being less expensive than most of the other termases, I see no appeal at all. Some men who have been in prison for 10 years might find the girls attractive, but I saw only one last night that even warranted consideration. I saw more tattoos than on the guys at Bikefest.

Also, what is the fascination with crowding into a small area filled with smoke, baring your chest and rubbing up against other guys? Again, I think this place is for ex-prisoners.

I thought things might be better at the upstairs bar, but I was wrong. There were no girls and the bartender was too busy chatting with other employees and answering the phone to make my drink. I left in 30 minutes and that was about 29 1/2 minutes too long.

Oh, the lady in the locker-room was nice.

Bubba Boy
09-29-06, 15:43
for first time visitors to Rio here is a menu of current drink prices in Lúomo. Drink prices are similar at most Termas.

The Corn Hole
09-29-06, 18:02
I'm just happy to see that readers of this thread are alive, awake, and alert, which is more than I can say for readers of some other threads. On the Cartagena thread, I voiced my opinion that most of Cartagena was a shithole and that no one in his right mind could even begin to compare it to Rio. I expected it to stir up a hornet's nest among Cartagena devotees. How many responses to that comment did I get? Zip.


If you want to stir up a hornets nest try the Argentina board. Some there defend BA like it's their first born child. I read alot of opinions here and disagree with many but that's cool. I understand everyone's got their own thing but one opinion I cannot understand, will never understand and refuse to understand is the comparisons between BA and Rio for mongering. Or when someone says stuff like "slight edge to Rio" or "it's like comparing apples and oranges." Actually it's more like comparing fresh squeezed orange juice to watered down tang. All the complaining about how shitty Help is and how the chicas try to overcharge you in Copa ect. I would take Help Disco over ANY club in BA any day. You can find hot pros in BA but they have formed some sinister, twisted union and will only go with foreigners for a certain price, and it's hard to get them down from that price. All the fine girls in Blacks and Madaho's are not even Latinas they're Americanas who happen to speak fluent spanish.

Some call Black's a club but I call it the ninth circle of hell.

4x4 is the best club in the universe!!!

Lorenzo
09-29-06, 18:49
Exec Talent,

You make several good points about 4x4, and I agree with most of what you say. However, there are positive aspects. You hit on the main one in your first sentence: it's less expensive. If you're in the mood for doing 2 or 3 garotas in one visit, then fortify yourself with 100mg of vitamin V and go to 4x4. You can save well over a hundred bucks. If you take a girl before 5pm, you can get a discount. The second advantage is the paucity absence of gringo tourists. You can also find a few gems among the gangsta types. I just happened to luck out when I was there in August and find myself in the boite seated next to a real beauty that I hastily took to a suite. Speaking of suites, 4x4 has accommodations better than the copa termas, if you're willing to splurge a little.

But you're right, the main boite is overcrowded, even early in the day. And I agree with you about the upstairs boite; I have never seen any girls there. Maybe they don't come there until late at night. But overall, the place is worth at least one visit when I come to Rio.

BTW, I have heard rumors for years that there is a third boite at 4x4, maybe downstairs from the main one, that is a hidden gem, full of girls and uncrowded. When I asked the staff about this, I was told no, there are only 2 boites. Anybody know anything about this?

The Cornhole,

I agree with you completely about BA. The brothels there can't compare to Rio's termas, and the girls as a whole are less attractive. The only advantage to BA is that it's cheaper (1 hour in brothel = US$50, possibly less if you are an old BA hand). There's no place on earth like Rio.

Lorenzo

Bubba Boy
09-29-06, 19:03
There is indeed a third boite now downstairs. It is called the whiskeria. I believe this is a newly opened bar. The girls access the whiskeria by dropping through a "firemans pole" from the main boite, this would never pass in the US for safety reasons, got to love Brasil for the crazyness it allows. You can access this bar from the door near the reception area. You can also access this bar from street level, and if you wish to remain in your clothes you can, just can't go to the rest of 4x4 in clothes only. I think entry for this section only from the street is R20 but don't quote me, it is included in the normal 4x4 entrance price. Most girls pass through this place at some stage during the night. It is kind of funny seeing some business type people in suits sitting next to guys in robes.

The upstairs bar, at the far end of 4x4 is an ok place to hang after a shag. We traditionally grab a bite to eat after a shag there and generally chill. A few girls do make their way up to the bar however they come in for a few minutes have a look around and then leave. The through traffic of girls is slow and you need to be their a while to get a good selection. For those that can understand porto they make announcements in the main bar that there will be a show by a certain girl at a certain time up stairs. During this time it tends to fill up with Robes. They file out after the show. This girl in the attached pic does a lot of shows upstairs, she is a typical gansta girl at 4x4 covered in tats, she also does "tudo", I can verify this from personal experience.

Mangera
09-29-06, 20:43
I agree with most of what you said about BA, even though I must admit I have had some wonderful moments there. I would say that Barbarela is Rio's version of Black in BA. Both are COMPLETE rip offs, and Black is even more expensive than Barbarela. Whatever, bottom line, go check out each place once to say that you have been there and done that. Newbies should keep in mind that those places are catered towards high end business clientel who are mainly business types.

Mangera
09-29-06, 21:21
I understand that Luomos is your favorite Terma, as well as mine. I am not stating that it is the best, but simply implying that it is my favorite for different reasons. As for your comments about 4 x 4, I agree that it is crowded and smoky. But I can't agree totally that the ladies are less attractive. I will admit they have a different look ( more tattoos and a bit trashier look )than those of Luomos or Solarium or even Monte Carlo, but that does not make them any less attractive.

Every guy has his own philosophy about this hobby, different tastes in women and different approaches to how they monger. Their sexual drive and desires also vary. Not only among the different mongers, but within the same monger.

For example, while staying in Rio, I enjoy Luomo's as my favorite Terma, because I generally enjoy the overall service, location, looks of the girls, and a couple of other reasons. But if I am in the mood for a bit more tattoos and the freaky gals, I head on over to 4 x 4. It all depends on my mood and what kind of women I feel like socializing with and banging on that day or moment ( I am one lucky Son of a ***** to have these wonderful choices, and I do not take it for granted). I also enjoy the bus ride, followed by the metro ride, and then the short walk to 4 x 4. I enjoy the feeling of anticipation as I am heading over. Basically, its a different kind of experience, but it does not make it any more or any less fun or exciting than my experiences at Luomo's, Solarium, Monte C. or other places within Centro.

I enjoy the different entertainment options that are offered, depending on my state of mind at that particular moment, whether its calling CIAPLUS, Karla Models, Luomo's, Centro, Help ( even though I have never taken a girl from there before)and yes, even non-pros ( plus some other options). Its all good, something that not many other places on this planet can provide for all of us. Again, ITS ALL GOOD. Enjoy people, there's plenty for everyone. Laters!

Exec Talent
09-29-06, 21:31
My issue with 4x4 is pretty simple and it is the reason I would never recommend it to anyone. Why come all the way to Rio and hang out with people that I would never socialize with in the US (there were a lot of gringos there last night mostly acting like ugly Americans). Also, Whoppi Goldberg is more attractive than most of the girls there. Maybe I just am not into biker chicks with big flabby butts and tattoos. There are a lot of girls and it is cheap. But, so what? I am open minded enough to listen if someone who loves the place can tell me why. It is not for me, but when in Rio I try to help people find entertainment which suits their needs.

El Austriaco
09-29-06, 21:33
On the Cartagena thread, I voiced my opinion that most of Cartagena was a shithole and that no one in his right mind could even begin to compare it to Rio.
I just wrote a response on the Cartagena board (though I am not a Cartagena devotee by any means and actually much more of a Rio aficionado):

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=512730&postcount=1680

As to most of Cartagena being a shithole, well, maybe, but Rio isn't, beyond the more fashionable Zona Sul hangouts? I remember that last year, Rio's mayor publicly stated that Rio was a "cidade maravilhosa increasingly encircled by mushrooming favelas". IMHO, downtown Cartagena is more beautiful than downtown Rio (which has its own faded charm, too), and a cab ride from Antonio Carlos Jobim airport in Rio into the city should already give you a fair idea of what most of Rio (Zona Norte, Baixada Fluminense) is like. IMHO, beyond the touristy areas, they both compete for the Latin shithole award (with a lot of other cities in the running as well, of course). Crimewise, well, I wouldn't want to be caught in a barrio in either one of those cities.

EA

Trickbaby
09-29-06, 22:10
[i'm sorry but all these reports of men being infected through vaginal sex are simply not true and i question all of the men who say that is how they became hiv positive.[/quote]i respect anyone for voicing their opinin on this matter, yes it is true hat many hetero men who end up hiv+ may have been involved in other sex acts and with some gayish anal stuff. porn actor/ director john stagliano aka buttman is one of them.in rio he got freaky with a tv and let the tv do him in the pooper and the tv had a sore on his dick hence the transmission was easily expedited via small tears and open sore into the blood engorged anus, now he has to be behind the camera as to acting.

explain this: africa almost all hiv transmission there is hetero, but i will say that the cause there is from "dry sex" a practice employed by roadside hookers . they take astringent herbs to dry up the snatch and they call this "dry sex because the friction creates bleeding in the vagina and small rips on the pecker.hence they say by the year 2035 indigenous blacks in africa wll be the minority. swaziland has a huge percentage of adults hiv positive i can not remember the stats but they are available on google or the cia website for country facts for all nations.

in this forum most are informed and i do not judge what anyone chooses to do. i will say that outside of a hummer the sombrero is on for me.

The Corn Hole
09-29-06, 22:42
I think it's quite possibly the most perfect establishment ever constructed on God's green earth, and this is coming from a gigantic dude who suffers from severe claustrophobia :D The only thing that is very annoying for me are the showers installed in the 60 minute suites. I think they should do away with them as it just cuts down on sack time IMO and the standard rooms are crap. Next time I go I'm going for the Sultan suite.

Trickbaby I respectfully disagree that most here are informed about HIV infection.

Polvo
09-29-06, 22:44
explain this: africa almost all hiv transmission there is hetero, but i will say that the cause there is from "dry sex" a practice employed by roadside hookers . they take astringent herbs to dry up the snatch and they call this "dry sex because the friction creates bleeding in the vagina and small rips on the pecker........this is one of the causes. one of the other main causes is that many african men are migrant workers and live in "camps". they bang one or two hookers a night if they can - but it is almost all anal without covering. this is an enormous vector for hiv. then they go home and do the [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) chute of the missus so she doesn't get pregnant. instead, she goes sero-positive. then gets pregnant, child comes out positive. guess what - we will be re-colonising africa by 2040 'cause they won't be able to do squat! (mugabe - there is justice!)

oops, sorry. didn't mean to rant.

polvo

Andre3000
09-29-06, 23:12
Hey All,

I was in Rio this week and I'd like report my short stay. However please keep in mind once again that; -although it was my third visit to Rio I never stayed more than 3 days, -i'm actually there for work, -I'm very picky and was all into catwalk model types so far, -I love the whole terma experience, not only banging, -I'm much younger than the guys I share the boite with in a terma, -I don't like mentioning terma girls' names and details on the mainboard for privacy reasons, -I know most of you dislike (or hate) Centaurus..

NIGHT 1: I went to Centaurus at around 8 pm. Gorgeous girls as always. I spent 1 hour just looking around. I spotted three or four 9's on my scale, so started talking to one of them. She spoke no English but that was OK cause I'm kind of used to this Tarzanish Portuguese of mine. She looked so fine. We chatted and made out for about 1.5 hrs before we get to the room. That was the best part and we kinda had fun. When I asked her what she wanted to drink, she asked me back if it was OK to order vodka-redbull. That was a good sign she was quite shy to order the expensive drink, not pushy and willing to share it with me. You probably know the manager lady who walks around the boite all the time. And you probably find her annoying and she's one of the reasons you hate the place. I actually find her pretty funny. Look at it this way; she has the toughest job, dealing with 30+ terma girls everyday. Sex was very good. I just received an e-mail from the girl asking if I had a safe trip back home. I may be one of the 50 guys she's e-mailing at the same time but that's still cute. By the way I never asked for a BBBJ but I always got it in Centaurus.

NIGHT 2: I hit Centaurus once again, only a bit later. I found my other option from the night before. She was unbelievably cool. Had the most beautiful smile I've seen in Brazil. She did not want anything to drink. I asked a couple of times but she said she just did not like alcohol. She's 19 but looks more mature. I sensed she had some 'boyfriend' problems. She did not say a word and smiled when I asked her about that. I insisted and wanted to talk. Then she starting telling me the story about his 47 yr. old gringo BF, whom she's going to move in with -or marry- in a couple of months in the USA. She said she was looking forward to it. But seemed more like it was the best option she had. As I was trying to imagine what a guy in his late forties, paying the rent and bills (he also gave her a credit card) of his 19 yr. old GDP future-ex-wife would look like, she helped me by giving more physical details about him. So if you're all of the above + you're short, fat and bold and from one of the most boring states in America, man I gotta tell you something;

1- your girlfriend is a liar. she is still working.
2- she spends all her pocket money for weed and god knows what else.
3- I can still tell you have a good taste in perfumes and lingerie.
3.5- not to forget women..because you chose her.
4- she has a girlfriend (lover), from the same terma.
5- she hates talking to you long hours on msn.
6- I don't think she's going to leave you though.
7- I fear I'm going to be in a similar position as you do in about 20 years..

Anyways, then I asked her if she kisses other guys. It was time to stop the girlie talk. She said she likes kissing muito but only if she actually likes the other guy. That kind of conversation is not common in a terma but the girl was an exception herself so I looked at her in the eye until she kissed me. That felt like a first kiss. Sex was even better. She was very playful. No rush at all. She was playing with herself even after we finished and the phone rang. She asked me where I was headed, I told her I had to go get some sleep and asked her if she wanted to come over to my hotel. She asked for 400R without even blinking an eye. I said no way. But to tell you the truth that'd been the best Reales I've spent if I was not to leave Rio the next morning.

Later that night -although I was extremely tired- I went to check out Help, which I've never been to before. I was so curious and it was near my hotel. I just hated the place. Stayed for 45 minutes and could not wait to get out. There's no need to make a help vs. terma comparison once again cause it's different but Help looked lousier than I imagined.

Always in love,

A.A

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RonnyRon
09-29-06, 23:13
Luomos was the very first terma I ever visited. It was nice, but 4X4 completely blew me away! I had never before nor since experienced anything like it. The shear number of women available still amazes me. The Sultan suite is something every man should treat himself to. 4X4 is still my favorite terma. 1999 was my first visit to both termas. I don't recall any girls who resembled Whoopi, but I do know many could give JLo a run for her money. IMHO almost all the girls in either terma would pretty stop traffic here in the US, but then now we are comparing apples to oranges.

RonnyRon

Pussy Seeker
09-29-06, 23:36
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Reports: 1 I have been reading this forum and getting info but I never participated in a constructive way. I owe you my brothers this piece of knowledge.

I went to Rio/Brazil a month ago and needless to say the girls there are the sweetest and the most beautiful in the world. I have been all over the world mongering regularly but they are #1. So when you are so attracted you tend to lose your brain and use your lower brain.

All my life I never ever had a BBBJ I always had CBJ. In this instance I go to Sentauros where about 80 stnning girls are displayed for your pleasure and I pick two of them for a double action. We started to kiss the three of us and I got very hot and int he heat of the moment one of them slips down and proceeds to suck my cock while I am kissing the other then the other one joins her and now I am helpless with no will power whatsoever.

My very first BBBJ in my life and wouldn't you know it I come back to the States and at the airport as I am taking a leak I see an ugly discharge. Explain this to my partner. After a long business trip how am I not going to make love to her. To make a long story short I went straight to the STD clinic and found out that I had Ghonorrea and I also had a rash on the tip of my penis which they thought was Herpes so they drew my blood and I had to wait 7 days for the results which turned out negative thank God.

As you can see from one BBBJ from possibly the most beautiful girls that I've seen in my life and the cleanest I got a disease and I could have contracted others like Herpes, Syphilis, Warts etc.

Please let us not brag about getting BBBJ and putting down the girls who insist on using condoms. Happy and safe hunting to all.
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09-25-06 at 10:16

The Watcher
09-30-06, 01:34
[QUOTE=Exec Talent] what is the fascination with crowding into a small area filled with smoke, baring your chest and rubbing up against other guys? /QUOTE]

I totally agree with you on this point; however, there is a way to avoid this problem. You must go very early - 3:00 is a good afternoon time. Around 5:00 all the guys rush in and it becomes very crowded. When it becomes crowded like that, I either leave or find a girl and take her to the upstairs bar.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]I thought things might be better at the upstairs bar, but I was wrong. /QUOTE]

Things are better at the upstairs bar but you have to bring your own. Find a girl you like and take her there.

Euro100
09-30-06, 05:07
Luomos was the very first terma I ever visited. It was nice, but 4X4 completely blew me away! I had never before nor since experienced anything like it. The shear number of women available still amazes me. The Sultan suite is something every man should treat himself to. 4X4 is still my favorite terma. 1999 was my first visit to both termas. I don't recall any girls who resembled Whoopi, but I do know many could give JLo a run for her money. IMHO almost all the girls in either terma would pretty stop traffic here in the US, but then now we are comparing apples to oranges.

RonnyRon

I agree completely. When I was at 4*4 last month there were many stunners to be found. Quite a few ugly ones, too, I admit, but who the hell cares.

BB is right, the third boite is the whiskeria and is on the ground floor.

4*4 and L'uomo are just two different animals. In L'uomo you can relax and take it easy, and if you play it right your girl will be there for you the whole evening. 4*4 is different, much more energy, almost insane, but an invogarating kind of insane. I love both places.

Bubba Boy
09-30-06, 06:27
So true what you posted, there are so many gringos getting taken for a ride in Rio. Marrying and divrocing a gringo is the only way out of the poverty trap for your average GDP. The one saving face is most GDP's always get caught fuc**ng some one else before they actually get married. They are for the most bright not that smart.

Pussyseeker, you still haven't participated in a constructive way, what a lot of crap!

Lorenzo
09-30-06, 06:34
I just wrote a response on the Cartagena board.... Crimewise, well, I wouldn't want to be caught in a barrio in either one of those cities.

EA
I can't disagree with you there. I responded to your recentCartagena post on the Cartagena thread: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=512851&postcount=1683. Peace,

Lorenzo

Bubba Boy
09-30-06, 17:02
I have a lot of expat friends that live in Rio with Brazilian woman. Without doubt, when they are not here, everyone of these girls fucks around, usually with a complete low life for some reason (why do they always pick the lowest of the low?). It may not happen straight away, but if the expat is continually entering and leaving the country it is guaranteed to happen eventually. I have seen it with 100% of the couples i know.

I just had 2 friends find out this weekend that there brazilian girlfriends were f**king around. One chic, who I thought was actually quite a cool respectable chic, had the balls to have her brazilian f**k buddy stay at his apartment for a week while he was oversees. Of course he was eventually told about it, all Brazilians gossip and an extra body in someones apartment goes right around the apartment complex. The kicker was 1) The brazilian guy she was banging was a complete low life, druggie and bisexual to boot (better get that AIDS test buddy) and 2) the expat was going to buy the girl an apartment in a few months. Now she is going to get zip! Thats just stupid love!

Pana Nyc
09-30-06, 17:24
So true what you posted, there are so many gringos getting taken for a ride in Rio. Marrying and divrocing a gringo is the only way out of the poverty trap for your average GDP. The one saving face is most GDP's always get caught fuc**ng some one else before they actually get married. They are for the most bright not that smart.

Pussyseeker, you still haven't participated in a constructive way, what a lot of crap!
When are these guys going to learn "you cant turn a hoe into a house wife"!!!!

Pana Nyc
09-30-06, 17:35
I agree completely. When I was at 4*4 last month there were many stunners to be found. Quite a few ugly ones, too, I admit, but who the hell cares.

BB is right, the third boite is the whiskeria and is on the ground floor.

4*4 and L'uomo are just two different animals. In L'uomo you can relax and take it easy, and if you play it right your girl will be there for you the whole evening. 4*4 is different, much more energy, almost insane, but an invogarating kind of insane. I love both places.
I have to agree with you guys their is nothing on this earth like 4x4. I went to L'uomos 1st and it was nice but 4x4 I had to touch some of the garotas to make sure they where real and I was not in a dream or something because they look like cartoon characters and unreal all these shapes sizes and colors at my disposal and 50-70 garotas to select from walking around in bikinis thongs, what more can a monger ask for. Im a big fan of big popazuda bundas and next time I go I have to slay this amazon garota who is about 6"2 or so!!!!

Bubba Boy
09-30-06, 18:14
When are these guys going to learn "you cant turn a hoe into a house wife"!!!!

The irony is the girls that were met in normal circles IE not GDP's, also hit the 100% mark as far as cheating goes. Brazilian girls just can't help themselves. Brazilian guys will nail anything, there best friends wife, girlfriend, anything.

Andre3000
09-30-06, 18:15
I have a lot of expat friends that live in Rio with Brazilian woman. Without doubt, when they are not here, everyone of these girls fucks around, usually with a complete low life for some reason (why do they always pick the lowest of the low?). It may not happen straight away, but if the expat is continually entering and leaving the country it is guaranteed to happen eventually. I have seen it with 100% of the couples i know.On my first terma experience, I was lucky enough to meet a fellow (don't get me wrong) from Europe. He was a cool guy definitely enjoying the moment, I could tell. He lived in Rio for about 8 years and it was his last night before he moved back home. As I was already illusioned with the atmosphere, he told me one thing I'll always remember, "You know these girls are so cute and so nice and I always had great experiences here, but you should remember, you lock a Latin girl in a closet and she'll cheat on you with the hanger".

Of course I've heard different stories about people meeting at the terma scene and getting married and they live happily ever after. God knows how the girls manage stop doing this after all but I know the guys don't. If you've been in a terma (either as a customer or a gdp) more than once, you'll always go back when you have the chance. On the other hand if you're in love with someone, you just don't leave her alone for months anyways. Sending her money would not help. Watch it. If I was in such situation and I was thinking about marriage, I'd do the same thing I'd do as if I met a normal girl. That would be meeting the family (whoever or whereever) first of all.

A.A

Sperto
09-30-06, 18:37
My experience is that everybody cheats in Brazil. It doesn't matter if they are rich or poor, religious or atheists, black or white or GP or not.

Exec Talent
09-30-06, 18:40
I am tapped in pretty well to GDP.NET and a lot of times in GDP relationships it is difficult for the girls to trust the guys as well. I have heard of many instances where guys who profess their love to a girl have relationships with women in other countries. One woman I know had been with a guy for five years and found out on her wedding day (when he didn't show up) that he was already married. Another girl I know who had been with her boyfriend a year, had stopped working and was loyal was devastated when he abruptly stopped all communication. She later found out he was with another woman.

For many of the girls, their "job" is the only way that they see they will ever have anything. And contrary to popular belief, there are girls who own houses and businesses. Keep in mind, however, that my circle of GDP friends don't do drugs, drink a lot or even smoke and tend to be on the higher end in terms of intelligence and education.

I know of successful Brazilian-American relationships and also know of relationships that failed because the allure of a beautiful Brazilian wife wore off once reality set in. I find that girls in Brazil (GDP and not) want what American women want as well. A man who loves them and security. American women have opportunities, many Brazilian women do not. As a wise female Brazilian friend put it, “They are like football players who realize that their playing days are numbered. They have to make money while they can.”

One Eyed Man
09-30-06, 21:23
So far, I've only been there once, and from the recent praise, I'm looking to give it a try again, but I had kind of a strange experience in 4x4. For starters, I had trouble finding the showers and wandered up and down, found the upstairs bar, finally found my way back, and ultimately, the showers.

More impotantly, I didn't think the girls were particularly friendly in 4x4. This is not such a bad thing, since in Centaurus they're continually hustling you, and I found the girls very friendly but quite aggressive in L'Uomo. When I first enter the boite, I want my drink and want to look around, not be hassled. But after a while, you want the girls to talk to you. Also on the beauty scale, I found the girls more average looking, a step below L'Uomo and two steps below Centaurus, but I didn't really see any tatooed gangsta girls.

It happens everywhere, but there were also a few obnoxious Americans there, which can spoil the ambience.

Finally though, I did end up talking with one girl, Sue Ellen, who was not my ideal type but smoking hot, and we ended up in one of the shower suites for an hour and she was wildcat in bed. Told me some story about having married the richest guy in Italy.

Sperto
09-30-06, 21:50
Very few brazilian guys are eager to marry a GP, or ex-GP. Funny though is that most brazilian women that gringos marries are GPs or half-pro's.

Marrying a gringo is the easy way out of the misery. After receiving a permanent Visa in Europe or the US thay can separate and get half of his goodies.

Keep in mind, however, that my circle of GP friends do drugs, drink a lot and smoke and tend to be on the lower end in terms of intelligence and education. :)

Mangera
09-30-06, 22:34
Its ok if you get lost at 4 x 4. Hell, thats a wonderful place to get lost. Never know where you will end up, who will be there, and what is going on. Thats part of the fun in those places. Its like a giant funhouse filled with a vast amount of different looking beavers.

If there is a place to get lost, thats it. Laters!

Brazilman
09-30-06, 23:22
Pussyseeker, did you also have intercourse with a condom with one of the 2 girls? Did you have sex with any girls while you were there with a condom. You can still get a std with a condom when having sex. You dont know for sure if it was from bbbj or regular sex with some other girl.

Zorglub
10-01-06, 01:33
I have a lot of expat friends that live in Rio with Brazilian woman. Without doubt, when they are not here, everyone of these girls fucks around, usually with a complete low life for some reason (why do they always pick the lowest of the low?). It may not happen straight away, but if the expat is continually entering and leaving the country it is guaranteed to happen eventually. I have seen it with 100% of the couples i know.

I just had 2 friends find out this weekend that there brazilian girlfriends were f**king around. One chic, who I thought was actually quite a cool respectable chic, had the balls to have her brazilian f**k buddy stay at his apartment for a week while he was oversees. Of course he was eventually told about it, all Brazilians gossip and an extra body in someones apartment goes right around the apartment complex. The kicker was 1) The brazilian guy she was banging was a complete low life, druggie and bisexual to boot (better get that AIDS test buddy) and 2) the expat was going to buy the girl an apartment in a few months. Now she is going to get zip! Thats just stupid love!

You could not be more right.

I have many expat friends in Rio who lives with brazilian girls ,and sadly , I do not know of one happy ending story,(although I know it can happen).
If you think women are not easy in your country, don`t ever fool yourself in thinking that it will be easier in Brasil, (and I am not only speaking of GDP).

That`s why I always take them for who they are (*****s), always treat them with respect, but never forget that they are with me for my money.

You should never fall in love with those girls, (and I have to say that it`s not always easy as you can meet some really nice cuties),but if you do , you`re heading towards big problems.

just my two cents.

Ibiza007
10-01-06, 02:19
I went to 4x4 on Thursday night. I have never seen it worse, 40 girls, very few cuties and the rest were terrible. It was the first time I have ever paid the entrance and left without a session, It was very disappointing.

In my opinion 4x4 goes in cycles, and it is a bad cycle right now, but it will get better. I hope!


IBZ

Bubba Boy
10-01-06, 02:25
I agree, everything is cycles, i went there with a friend last week, who by his own admissions will f**k a rattle snake (if you held its head for him), and he left without doing anyone. I agree the talent is bad there right now. It will come around again soon.

Thanks for the enlightening comments in regards to Brazilians and mongers cheating. It actually put a lot of things into prespective for me. Once both parties accept it is going to happen, it is much easier to deal with.

Urcarioca
10-01-06, 03:48
Amazing this discussion about cheating.

You're a monger, possibly married with kids in your country and you do P4P in Brazil to enjoy bundas.

You fall for a Brazilian GDP named Carol, Layla, Patrizia or whatever nice piece of ass and you expect her to survive in Rio when you're away in the US or in Europe spending your empty time in FKK's or in TJ expecting your brazilian GDP lover is actually acting like a nun?

Fala sério.

They cheat, we cheat, remember you met her at Help, in termas, or in VM. As a fellow monger I think we can't judge the way they are. Send them extra money if you care, enjoy the ride, but DON'T EXPECT NOTHING FROM A BRAZILIAN GDP.

My 2 centavos.

Kwmartin
10-01-06, 14:57
Can someone tell me the current price of gasoline in Brazil?

Kwm

Bubba Boy
10-01-06, 19:29
I can see a Petrobas gas station from my window in Copa. R2.60 per litre. I think that works out at about USD$4.50 per gallon.

With USD1 = R2.2
3.8 litres = 1 Gallon

You can also buy Alocohol. That works out at about 1/3 cheaper.

BootyTapper
10-02-06, 01:25
What's up fellas, I was off for a while but had to check back in and see what is stirring in the "Rio Monger World". I read these post about cheating and had to laugh. My take on the whole thing is its simply another version of the laws of supply and demand in effect. We mongers live in other countries, those GDP's live in Brazil, all of us are human and have physical needs. Now if the carioca you are messing with is a GDP, its only common sense that when you are not there she is going to make her cash and get her physical satisfaction. Hell even if she is a regular carioca, she will get hit on. Its only a matter of time before she gives in to someone and gives it up. She has needs and even if she tries to hold out, carnal nature will give in.

Another reason I had to laugh is because I remember things a garota I was messing with in Rio used to tell me. She was like my steady so when I hit Rio, she knows I will see her, but of course others. She told me something couple times I know most of you that have had a steady garota in Rio have told you guys. She said, "she does not want me going out with any other garota when I am in town". I asked her since when she became my woman and she said, "what she does is work, when I do it, its for pleasure." Her words of course are very true, but you see the rational on all sides. She wants her sure income and what she does is for work. For the record, I am not against having a carioca or even a GDP as my girl, but I keep it in perspective. She knows I am going to get mine in the US and she is going to get hers in Brazil. When I come to town and we kick it or we don't, its all good. Sometimes I used to delay seeing her because I want to get my playtime in before she trys to put me on lock down, even then I am still playing. I may take her shopping for little stuff, but this buying apartments and large luxury items is out of the question. The only way I will be caught purchasing large items like that is if I get her pregant, got a dna test, and confirmed the child is mine. Then in a case like that I will take care of mine.
I have to agree with previous post, in some way we all cheat in Rio!

Mangera
10-02-06, 01:53
BT, I concur with your method of dealing with a garota that you normally see when you go to Rio, or any other place for that matter. When I travel, I usually tell a garota that I will be flying in at a certain date, when in actuality I arrive a week before, and play the part of a male prostitute with as many women as possible in that town ( I have reasonable rates, its free ).

Once I have gone buck wild and have released all the built up anxiety with the different garotas, I am ready for the the little honeymoon stage with one garota. Hmmmmmmm......Am I cheating? :)

One more thing, sometimes this can backfire in the sense that one is having so much fun with different ladies, you never end up seeing your steady. Or, you find one that is even sexier, sweeter, nicer, funnier, wildcat in bed, etc..
So again, you never make it back with your steady. What a crazy town, I freaken love it.

I try explaining these type of scenarios to friends and family(male members of the family ofcourse), and they just can't relate, or imagen what its like. I have a couple of newbies that will be tagging along in my next visit in mid november, and I am trying to prep them for the whole Rio scene. Even with all the advice and detailed stories( which they just love to listen as they druel all over themselves ), they don't know whats going to hit them. It should be fun.

I am in my thirties, one of the newbies is in his forties, and the other in his fifties. So it should be fun too see how each one of us socializes with the ladies, and how they respond to each one of us. It will be interesting.

I will be in Medellin, Colombia this upcomming week for my second visit, I know I will meet some incredible looking women, and have an outstanding time. Yet, I am not thinking about that trip at all, all I can think about is no Brasil en Novembro! Thats just how much of a blast Rio really is. Thats just my opinion. Laters!

BootyTapper
10-02-06, 02:14
one more thing, sometimes this can backfire in the sense that one is having so much fun with different ladies, you never end up seeing your steady. or, you find one that is even sexier, sweeter, nicer, funnier, wildcat in bed, etc..
so again, you never make it back with your steady. what a crazy town, i freaken love it.

mangera that is exactly what happenned and why she is not my steady anymore. its was actually brought on by her also. on one trip i went to rio, called her, she was happy to hear from me, but too busy to see me. she said she is going to grandmothers house and will not be back until later. now thru the grapevine i knew she had a brazilian man, so when she told me that she cannot see me, i was very happy...freedom! i went to the beach, met this fine ass gdp, and chilled with her all day. we ate at mia petaca and since it was getting late we walked back to my spot. walking down ave copacabana guess who i see, my steady walking with her man. now look how good this turned out and what a b*t*h life is... she was on the same side of the street as me, walking toward me, and saw me first. i was talking to the garota i was with and the only reason i probably saw her was because i had to stop for a car reversing out a driveway. when i stopped, i looked up at the people on the other side of the car and who was there with a pissed off look on her face and the dude trying to find out what happenned, my former steady. she called the hotel couples times and left messages, but of course i did not answer them, i seized the oppurtunity. since then i have not messed with her since going into rio, but she already sent emails to me directly and thru couple other mutual friends we have down there saying in her eyes we are still cool. for me its no more steady, i will have a steady for the that trip, but on my return, the hunt continues. if she is good, of course i have to go tap it, but it will be on the tale end of my trip.
for your newbies, i know they will not grasp it on one trip, but the first trip will be overwhelming in terms of the quality and play. they will have a ball, plan many other trips, and now have their own adventures.

Bubba Boy
10-02-06, 17:39
Elections were held in Brasil this weekend. Lula, the current president, just failed to get the 50% of the vote required to get re elected in the first round of the process.

Hence, there is to be a run off in a few weeks between the top 2 vote getters.

Lula would have been relected easily if not for a few party members and associates getting nailed for corruption. One of the instances involved a number of members meeting in a brothel on a regular basis to divide up the cash. Having said this, his party is probably less corrupt than most.

Mangera
10-02-06, 17:55
From what I have gathered, the northern portion of the country is heavily supporting Lula, while the southern portion is mainly supporting the other candidate.

Lula has been dealing with the corruption issue(what a surprise, please!!! it always existed, always will), and the other candidate had been recognized for his pro-housing developments for the people of the communities of where he is from. He supposedly has been pitching the idea of providing more housing help for the people of Brasil. People are curious by these ideas, so those are just a couple of factors of many that might be influencing this race.

At a superficial level, I am inclined to believe that if the the north ( poorer than the south)is pro Lula and the south ( richer than the north, for the most part) pro the other candidate, if the new candidate were to win, I am imagine that things for the most part would stay status quo, cause the rich will always want to oppress the poor. Hence, maybe that would mean that the hobby of many on this board would be relatively safe for the next few years. I don't know, just a guess. Anyone care to share their thoughts. Laters!

Andre3000
10-03-06, 02:04
I'm having this post-Brasil depression once again. I guess it's like coming out of coma. You could swear you were in heaven. So it's hard to be happy you're back, especially when you have no life back home. Brazil is my addiction and remember, I'm not even mongering full-time. I love many different things about Brazil and I can't wait to go back, which in my opinion is completely crazy.




..One more thing, sometimes this can backfire in the sense that one is having so much fun with different ladies, you never end up seeing your steady. Or, you find one that is even sexier, sweeter, nicer, funnier, wildcat in bed, etc..
So again, you never make it back with your steady. What a crazy town, I freaken love it.This happened to me this time and I freaken hated myself for doing this. I wanted to see the girl from my last trip so much but I just stopped myself from doing this. My biggest problem with the girl is the language barrier. And we kind of lost it cause I was away for such a long time and she does not use internet. She has a more conservative life (and quite tough) and lives in SP. She has to support the whole family etc. So what happens is, at this time I only deserve a girl who speaks some English and uses internet, and both of them are signs of a hardcore player. If you go after the bad girls (and yes, there are some good ones), you have no right to complain...


I try explaining these type of scenarios to friends and family(male members of the family ofcourse), and they just can't relate, or imagen what its like. I have a couple of newbies that will be tagging along in my next visit in mid november, and I am trying to prep them for the whole Rio scene. Even with all the advice and detailed stories( which they just love to listen as they druel all over themselves ), they don't know whats going to hit them. It should be fun.
This also happens to me a lot. I talk about the Brazilian scene most of the time and the guys just listen to me with a meaningless smile on their faces. They just cannot visualize. And that's because you've been there and your life will never be the same..

Mangera
10-03-06, 02:40
You are so right Andre A. Your life will never be the same again. Thats powerful. Laters!

Track Star
10-03-06, 15:30
You are so right Andre A. Your life will never be the same again. Thats powerful. Laters!


Andre A captured the "post Rio blues very well."

The first time I went to Rio in 2004 I was depressed after coming back to the USA for 3 weeks.

My little boxed in life in America in the one of the worst dating places in America does not offer much in the way of sexual excitement. Basically the life of a monk.

Coming to Rio is a major release of sexual energies and maximum excitement.

Rio is so good that any other mongering place does not really interest me anymore. It does not get any better than Rio anywhere in the world anyway.

Pana Nyc
10-03-06, 16:19
I'm having this post-Brasil depression once again. I guess it's like coming out of coma. You could swear you were in heaven. So it's hard to be happy you're back, especially when you have no life back home. Brazil is my addiction and remember, I'm not even mongering full-time. I love many different things about Brazil and I can't wait to go back, which in my opinion is completely crazy.

So true, I just came back from my trip about 2 weeks ago and I have been feeling down, I never felt this down going to the DR which I did often like every 40 days or so for pleasure and business related stuff. After coming back here I said to myself I would be back in Rio in 6 months, guess what I could not wait that long and I'll be back in 2 months with trip# 2 coming up and I feel little bit better already.

Bubba Boy
10-05-06, 11:44
Was in Centaraus this week, by mistake I used my key to open my friends locker. We then checked to see if our locker keys could open other lockers, we managed to open every 3rd or 4th locker with our keys. Hence, I am thinking they only have 3 or 4 different keys for 100 lockers. That is not a very secure place to leave your stuff. We did tell management but management at this place does not give a f**k about anything to do with their clients. I will take a money belt now and wear it in the boite.

The boite was the same old same old Centaraus stuff. There were very few mongers, Rio is extremely quiet at the moment, girls are not making much cash. The girls are just as aggresive as ever, always coming up to us in pairs to annoy me and my friend. Why is it only the least attractive girl come up to us? It is a pain in the ass to ditch them every 5 minutes. Overall the selection was ok, no real superstars though.

Member #4643
10-06-06, 04:02
Marak5; both are great places, and they operate a bit differently. I think the relative merits of each depend on how you like to chase women. I found that Rio is superior for P4P, but BA is better for "regular girls". On the other hand, once you are out of the city, both countries are equally fantastic for non-pros and regular girls.

Neither city is fantastic if you do not speak the language. Do you habla español or fala portuguese? Sao Paulo has much more for the non native speaker than either city (and it is a bit more expensive as well).

And finally, there is the weather. October can be chilly in either location, but wait a few months and its a matter of whether you prefer the beach (Rio) or simply looking at flat bellies with piercings on the streets (BA).

I am going to Rio in 2 weeks to spend a weekend of bliss and then I leave for rural Brazil for 7 days. While I treasure the true beauties I always meet in Rio, there is nothing like the non-pros/regular girls in the country who give me everything, never fake a moan or a sigh and expect not a penny in return.

Fhm100
10-06-06, 09:24
Well, I just got back from a 10 days trip to Rio (it was more like 11, will explain later). I did my research here at ISG, studied the Brazil Bible written by Father Bubba Boy to the point I almost memorize it. Thank you, Father Bubba Boy. Last but not least are other members who have answered my questions about hotel/apt/etc. Thank you all for making this trip a very pleasant one for a newbie.

I visited Luomo, Centaurus, MC, 4x4, 65, and Cancun I think, I forgot the name now. And of course, Help. That's all, I didn't visit any other establishments. I also visited other tourist attractions in Bubba's guide like Sugar Loaf, Christ Coronado, Barra shoppings, malls in Botafogo...etc

Luomo: Went here 3 times. This is my 1st terma experience so I was in shock and awe to see all these beautiful women dancing and knowing that I can have them was just an unbelievable feeling. The girls here would come up to you and make small talk. I speak zero Portuguese so usually the conversation ended really fast. If you tell them maybe later, or let me think about it, they would go back to dancing/to the couch. Basically they get the message and leave you alone to narrow down your choices. On my 3rd time, I got here at around mid-nite and was a bit hungry but the buffet was closed. Remember if you want free food, show up before 12pm or even earlier. When you exit this shopping plaza on Siquora Campos, there is a guy selling beef/chicken kabobs for 2R. Darn, it was really good at 1am in the morning. I think he only works on the weekend.

MC: Went here twice. I forgot the exact price but the price is comparable to Luomo, but they don't have the buffet like at Luomo. For some reasons, I really liked this girl I met here. So I asked for her # in the cabin and she came over to my hotel for 200R + 20R for taxi. She stayed for 2.5 hours then I had to go to the airport, this was on my last day. I don't know if she would've stayed longer. By the time I got to the airport, they said it was too late to check me in even though it was 35 minutes before departure. The 1hr check in requirement is strictly enforced in Brazil. Unlike here, they would check you in and whether you can make it to the gate before the plane leaves is your business. The fine is 150 USD must be paid in Real or credit card. Hence, my 10day trip turned out to be 11.

Centaurus: Went here 1. The facility here is really nice, way better than all of the termas I visited. They got a little garden in the front, even a small pool in the locker room, and live music in the boite. They are a little deceptive like the guide stated. They show you the price list which only has 1 price for entrance fee, girl, and cabin for 40 minutes = 310R. Well informed, I asked to pay only the entrance fee for 90R. At other termas, everything is listed separately. A lot of the girls here speak English, and so do the customers. Girls here are like leeches; trying too hard to make the sell. One girl even followed me to the relaxing room and didn’t even get the message when I said I need to rest for a few min and pretending to “read” the Portuguese magazine. It was such a turn off that I left without partying with anyone even though I saw at least 3-5 doable hotties there. I will never go back to Cen again. Bad, bad experience.

4x4. Totally Awesome! So many chicks in different shapes/sizes/colors/ages/height/etc. I like the atmosphere at this terma. The girls here put zero pressure on you. Only if you lock eyes/smile at them they would talk to you and make the sell. They have a shower stand here that you can watch the girls taking a shower, but only on Friday. I love to watch these girls wearing high heels with cigarette in one hand sliding down the brass pole to the lower level like firefighters do. Very cool! On the next level is the restaurant, the food here is really bad. Not recommended. They also have internet access on this floor for a small fee. I lost track of the time while I was here, 2-3 hrs seemed like ½ hr, it’s like haven on earth.

Terma502. You just walk in with your street clothes here. A couple of guys tried to finger/grab the girls dancing on stage, even though the girls pushed them away and even argued with them. After I saw this I left after spending maybe 15-20 minutes in there, guess it’s not my type of environment.

Cancun? I really don’t recall the name. It’s like 2 blocks from 4x4. The front desk people don’t speak any English. Nothing special to report. This one is like Luomo/MC in term of size, but the # of hotties here is a lot less.

Hotel: Toledo, 1 block from the beach and 5 blocks from the Sigquera Campos metro. I stayed in a double room with a tiny view of the beach. At night I can hear the wave so it wasn’t bad. No cable TV though. Toledo charged me 126R/night for 10 days. The guy that checked me in told me that I don’t have to pay the guest fee if I stay in double. However, when my “guest” arrived, another guy said that I have to pay 60R for guest fee. Didn’t want to argue so I let it slide. .

I find out that you can get a better rate if you deal with them in person once you’re there, because I was there during the off season? Rio Rioss quoted me 190R + 15% tax for 10 days over email. When I walked in they quoted me 160R/night tax included for 7 days. The room here is significantly better than Toledo. Originally, I wanted to stay at Toledo for 3 days until I can find a better place but I was just too lazy to pack and go to a new hotel. The guests at Toledo were mostly Brazilian.

I went to Help for 3 nights. Didn’t pick up anyone not because of the quality. I keep in mind the advice of Bubba’s guide and another guy that I met there about screening a girl and I felt that the odd isn’t in my favor. This friend picked up a girl from Help for 300R but she only stayed in his apt from 3am to 7ish am. So I passed on Help.

During the first few days, I got around by walking or taxi. Then, I tried the metro to go to Centro. It was really easy using the metro. 1 line goes North, 1 line goes South. Pretty straight forward.

The people there are very friendly. When I got lost, they were very willing to help me even though they don’t speak English and I speak no Portuguese. Sitting on the sidewalk, sipping fresh coco and watching the hotties walking up and down Ave Atlantico on the weekend is impossible to forget. In my opninion: 4x4>CM>Luomo.

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Rio Bob
10-07-06, 04:05
Good informative report


Centaurus: They show you the price list which only has 1 price for entrance fee, girl, and cabin for 40 minutes = 310R.

310 R above in Centaurus for 40 min or 4 hrs below for 300 R , I don’t understand the dilemma, Help is on average much cheaper on a per hour basis than the high end Termas's and you can find a girl close to the same quality.


I went to Help for 3 nights. Didn’t pick up anyone not because of the quality. This friend picked up a girl from Help for 300R but she only stayed in his apt from 3am to 7ish am. So I passed on Help.

Member #4217
10-07-06, 05:29
This friend picked up a girl from Help for 300R but she only stayed in his apt from 3am to 7ish am.

OMG! I just returned from 1 month in rio. I stayed at the Apart Hotel apartments on the corner of siguera compse and Barata Riebera.

I went to HELP at least 3 or 4 nights a week, and I "never" paid more than R150 for "Noite Toto!" (all night, and generally they left around noon the next day)

But, I did have several girls start the bidding at R300, and I even had 1 start at R500!

I am returning on Oct 31 to stay until April. I will be in another apartment next to the Arcoverde Metro! I do hope that who ever paid this outragious price does not cause us non-rich guys to have to pay more for the same service!

And, I too went to the termas in Copo and in Centro! But, I never paid for any sex in the Terma or Boite! I just arranged for the girl I wanted to come to my apartment after work! They generally get off at 11 or 12, and are very open to getting the full R150 without having to give any of it to the establishment!

I was there for 27 days, and had 20 different girls. But, I was never alone 1 night, including the last night!

I will arrive on Nov 1. I speak pretty good Portuguese, as I have been going to Rio several times a year for several years. If anyone is interested, I will be at HELP on the night of Nov 1. I will be in jeans, and have a green bandana tied around my head! For some reason, all the girls like the bandana!

Please guys! Let's try not to overpay these girls! with the dollar taking a dive, it is costing me more than 2 times what it did onloy a few years ago!

But, you can still show up at HELP at 3 AM, and easily get someone for R100! But, 3 years ago. It was R50!

Tom

Member #4217
10-07-06, 05:37
I am looking at my aa frequent flyer summar and I have like 50,000 miles about. So I have enough for an off peak, economy class flight to Rio.

I just booked my flight to Rio using Delta Frequent Flyer. Remember, when booking youir flight. It is FREE!

If you want a stay over some place, do it!

I will arrive in Rio on Nov 1 and leave April 2.

Oh, and those who have issues with David at gringomgt, He did me very well, and in fact actually covered some of the phone bill. And, he tried to help me get the same apartment for the 5 months that I am going now!

But, I actually got an apartment for the 5 months for U$5,500. Considering that New Years and Carnival run U$500/day, I think I got a good deal! And, I got a telephone in the apartment, and cable TV!

It does help if you speak a little Portuguese! and, when someone quotes an outragious price, "shop around!"

When I arrive at the airport, I just walk outside, and say Copo ... R$50! There is always a taker!

From the Rodiviaria, (Bus station), $R20 .. same deal!

Stop overpaying these people! I can't afford it!

Tom

El Austriaco
10-07-06, 08:05
But, I actually got an apartment for the 5 months for U$5,500. Considering that New Years and Carnival run U$500/day, I think I got a good deal! And, I got a telephone in the apartment, and cable TV!
I agree that Carnaval and NYE (Réveillon, in Portuguese) are expensive, but USD 500 per day for an apartment? I don't think so.


I stayed at the Apart Hotel apartments on the corner of siguera compse and Barata Riebera.

I suppose you mean Siqueira Campos and Barata Ribeiro?


When I arrive at the airport, I just walk outside, and say Copo ... R$50! There is always a taker!
Sure, there is always a taker, considering that the metered cab-fare should not be more than around R$ 40.00 (I have paid as little as R$ 32.00 back in April). Also, I would say "CopA" or "CopAcabana" to get where you want to go.


From the Rodiviaria, (Bus station), $R20 .. same deal!
Considering that the Rodoviária (spelling again) is pretty close to some notoriously bad neighborhoods in Rio, I recommend taking official cabs only from the bus station (you need to buy a voucher inside). Do NOT take any of the wildcat cabs waiting outside. When I was last there, the official rate to Copa was R$ 18.00, so it's not like R$ 20.00 is a great deal, and it is a whole lot safer (considering that there have been several reports of people getting robbed in unmarked cabs in desolate areas). If you wanna risk something like that, you might as well just take the bus to Copa and save a bundle off the cab fare.


Stop overpaying these people! I can't afford it!
Same to you. I can't afford it, either :)


But, you can still show up at HELP at 3 AM, and easily get someone for R100! But, 3 years ago. It was R50!
I went to Rio in 2002, and the going Help rate was NOT R$ 50.00, I spent more than three months there in 2004, and it was NOT R$ 100.00 (but rather R$ 150.00 to R$ 200.00). After spending another 5 months there last year and this year, I am pretty confident to say that it will NOT be easy to get a Help girl for R$ 100.00 TLN, even at 3 AM in the morning. Even the ones sitting outside.

Overpaying is bad, for sure, but so is outright underpaying. As a matter of fact, you might wanna be supercareful if you decide to take home a Help girl that accepts such a rate (bad performance, stealing, setups, Boa Noite Cinderella, whatever not). Just something to keep in mind.

Also, TLN (Toda la Noche = Allnighter) in Portuguese is Toda a Noite.

EA

Cachorro
10-07-06, 09:51
When I arrive at the airport, I just walk outside, and say Copo ... R$50! There is always a taker!

And then what, does someone bring you a cup? (Copo = cup in Portuguese; Copa is the shortened name for Copacabana). Haha.

Thanks for reporting, looks like you are going to have some serious fun in Brazil for all those months. Make sure you travel around the country, it's worth it.

Fhm100
10-07-06, 11:24
Good informative report

310 R above in Centaurus for 40 min or 4 hrs below for 300 R , I don’t understand the dilemma, Help is on average much cheaper on a per hour basis than the high end Termas's and you can find a girl close to the same quality.The only disadvantage with Help is the girl would come to your place so she isn't in a controlled environment like termas. If she acts up, it would just ruin your night right there, and especially if you don't speank any Portugese. It won't be pretty. Let say if she agrees to stay until noon and leaves at 8am, there isn't much that you can do about it.

In term of quality, there are more girls at Help then any termas. So it's very reasonalbe to say there must be more hotties here than termas? It's just a # game.

I would NEVER go back to Centaurus even if that place is loaded with playmates of the year. Just say NO to Centaurus

Member #4217
10-07-06, 16:18
I agree that Carnaval and NYE (Réveillon, in Portuguese) are expensive, but USD 500 per day for an apartment? I don't think so.

EA

Thanx for the info on the taxi pricing from the airport and bus station. I will remember them.

As for the U$500/day, I was speaking of the hotel rates that I, myself, got from a search only yesterday.

I too have been traveling to Rio for a few years, and in fact my X-fiancee was from a small village in MG called Aiuruoca!

I have learned a lot from this forum, including such ideas as to "not pay" when the agreed upon service is not performed. And, most importantly, when she says she will call the policia, offer to do it for her, and take the arguement "outside" on the street and just walk away!

Thanx for the spelling corrections. I would not want to confuse anyone with my spelling errors.


Overpaying is bad, for sure, but so is outright underpaying. As a matter of fact, you might wanna be supercareful if you decide to take home a Help girl that accepts such a rate (bad performance, stealing, setups, Boa Noite Cinderella, whatever not). Just something to keep in mind.

EAAs for underpaying, I average R$150, and treat the girl with respect, and offer her breakfast the next day, as well as some interesting conversation. I "always" take photos, and often will give her hard copies if she wants. they love digital cameras, and there are little print shops all over the place who have no issues with printing down-right porno, if the girl wants it!

And, I am always very careful about who I choose.

Somehow, they seem to like my low R$100 because when I walk into HELP, I always have quit a few girls who want a repeat!

And actually, I had no problem at all finding a R100 outside HELP at 3 AM. When the crowd begins to thin, and she is facing going home alone, R100 is better than nothing! You just have to know how to bargain!

And, as I said, thanx for the info on the taxis, and thanx to all the other guys who have given me good advice in the past! You have probably saved me many problems!

Rio Bob
10-07-06, 20:08
Please guys! Let's try not to overpay these girls! with the dollar taking a dive, it is costing me more than 2 times what it did onloy a few years ago!

But, you can still show up at HELP at 3 AM, and easily get someone for R100! But, 3 years ago. It was R50!Tom

What are the reasons a girl would still be available at 3 AM in Help?

Well, one is guys were interested in her but wouldn't pay her asking price which was probably too high and it was off season. In high season I think a top girl can get pretty much what she asks. Would a top girl take 100 reais at 3 am? I doubt it but maybe if it was off season and she was desperate for rent money.

Another reason that a garota would still be in Help at 3 AM is because no one even approached her all night and sure 100 reais sounds great.

Or she is on her second or third time around for the night, she does more of a high volume business in Help with lower prices 100 a pop, she does 3 quickies, she made her 300 reais for the night. Hopefully she took a shower after her last trick, Ive had some of these girls leave my apartment with a load splashed on their chest, they just wiped it off got dressed and ran back into Help to catch the 3:00 AM bargain hunters.

Sperto
10-07-06, 21:39
What are the reasons a girl would still be available at 3 AM in Help?

Well, one is guys were interested in her but wouldn't pay her asking price which was probably too high and it was off season. In high season I think a top girl can get pretty much what she asks. Would a top girl take 100 reais at 3 am? I doubt it but maybe if it was off season and she was desperate for rent money.
The real (and very few)TOP girls at Help turns up around Midnight. Goes straight from the taxi to Help, without looking at the guys sitting on the outside, pass the chain and goes straight inside.

The bad thing is that before I finished my chopp they come out again hand-in-hand with a fat and bald Ricardão.

The good thing is that two Years later they are history and can be negotiated on the outside for R$ 100.

Brazilman
10-08-06, 00:14
I dont know what hot chicks your getting for 100 reals but i promise you they are not hot by most standards. The price has gone up. Im in rio now and what i use to get for 150 is now 200. 200 reals has become the norm for the good looking ones.THere were a couple really hot chicks there the other night and they were asking guys for 400 reals and wouldnt budge.they were 10´s by all standards.face facts rio is getting more expensive. the days of taking a 10 for 150 reals is over unless you already slept with the girl and then you have some of the power;

Member #4217
10-08-06, 01:51
I dont know what hot chicks your getting for 100 reals but i promise you they are not hot by most standards. The price has gone up. Im in rio now and what i use to get for 150 is now 200. 200 reals has become the norm for the good looking ones.THere were a couple really hot chicks there the other night and they were asking guys for 400 reals and wouldnt budge.they were 10´s by all standards.face facts rio is getting more expensive. the days of taking a 10 for 150 reals is over unless you already slept with the girl and then you have some of the power;I just returned from a month long stay in Rio 2 weeks ago. And, I will be returning for a much longer visit in a few weeks.

I, generally, paid R$150 TLN every night. I do not do the girls in the Terma! I get them to come to my apartment. I now thay are safe, because they do not want a problem later with their jobs! I can only remember paying R200 1 time, and she was very special.

I walked away from many GDPs in HELP after they quoted R300 or R400, only to have them come back to me later with lower monetary expectations.

I just reviewed many of the photos in the photo section, and I can honestly say that "every" girl I was with would be very high on the scale of the average poster here. And, I am including the majority of the Terma girls, here!

If you are paying more, it is like buying a new or used car! Some people get a good deal. Some people get a great deal! But, the salesman is always looking for the one he can really "screw!"

I would say that it depends on your bargaining capabilities, but I rather think that, as 1 girl told me, it really depends on who is more deperate ... the girl who needs the money, or the man who wants the girl!

Tom

Member #4217
10-08-06, 01:57
This is a very nice girl, who was happy to accept R$100 TLN, and in fact would be there in 30 minutes for TLN any time I called her.

Remember, if she does not have to go to all the work and trouble to actually go to HELP, or other hunting ground, or pay the entrance price to HELP, or taxi fare, she will work for a little less! You just have to know how to bargain!

Someone explain to me how to post a photo, and I can post many! These girls love a digital camera!

Tom

Member #4217
10-08-06, 02:05
Check the photo board!

Tom

Double
10-08-06, 05:43
Do you know if Meia Pataca is opened yet, or do you have any idea when it will be opened for business?

Mr Enternational
10-08-06, 06:11
Do you know if Meia Pataca is opened yet, or do you have any idea when it will be opened for business?Wasn't opened last week. Who knows? I say at least another month.

Off Road
10-08-06, 12:17
Do you know if Meia Pataca is opened yet, or do you have any idea when it will be opened for business?MP is still closed. No clue when they open. Havana next door seems to have all the traffic now (guess they caught on to the $$ they were missing).

Member #4217
10-08-06, 14:25
Aline started the negotiation off at R$350. She went TLN for R$150.

Who asked about the quality of these reasonably priced girls? Would you take her for R$150?

Tom

Sperto
10-08-06, 16:28
That girl Aline is a sweetheart!

Member #4217
10-08-06, 16:43
More reasonable priced girls in the photo section. You tell me, are these girls hot?

Jim

Ezinho
10-08-06, 16:46
I dont know what hot chicks your getting for 100 reals but i promise you they are not hot by most standards.
Sorry, but you're wrong, you can get hot women for R100. Not supermodel 10's, mind you, but if that's what you're looking for just skip Help entirely and hit the high end termas. Tom and/or Jerry527 is right on about what he's talking about (even though his spelling is way off) and what's better is that he has the pics to prove it. And he actually showed their faces too, nice job!

I knew a Swiss guy who wouldn't even go inside Help; what he would do is wait outside the club around 4-5 am, wait for the girls who hadn't made any money to leave, and get them to go home with him for anywhere from R50 for a quickie to R100 for LT. We did the same thing outside some clubs in Lido, Doma and Sensoo were good ones at the time (last year). Granted he was a young guy who lived in Rio and spoke great Portuguese, so that obviously helped a lot, but the point is there are good looking girls who will take it, trust me; especially if rent is due.

A lot of guys need to get the notion out of their head that pussy is more valuable than both oil and gold combined. That may be true in the West, but not in Latin America. Hell, the best looking girls posted recently have been from Sperto, and these are girls you can lay for under R30!

Well, I'm done, you guys can flame away now. If anyone wants me, I'll be in the Ecuador thread, where we talk about paying for pussy in pennies LOL!

RonnyRon
10-08-06, 17:35
A lot of guys need to get the notion out of their head that pussy is more valuable than both oil and gold combined. That may be true in the West, but not in Latin America. Hell, the best looking girls posted recently have been from Sperto, and these are girls you can lay for under R30!

AMEN Ezinho. AMEN. I don't know about the rest of you, but I wouldn't kick any of the girls posted by TomNJerry or Sperto out the bed.

RonnyRon

Member #4217
10-08-06, 19:30
Who asked about the quality of these reasonably priced girls?Yes, pay high prices if you want! these 2 girls were freebees from a couple of Copa Termas.

And, I am 52, kinda chubby, but not fat.

Again, when asked for R$400, just say "NO!", and walk away!

These girls tell me that they have absolutely no respect for anyone who pays what they first ask for!

I have kicked them out of my apartment only to have them apologize and ask to come back for "free!"

I would again ask if you mongors think I paid too much for these 2 girls who came to me, after the terma closed!

And, the day I was leaving the girl I only identify as terma, because I forgot her name ... brought a friend with her!

Tom

El Austriaco
10-08-06, 21:44
Sorry, but you're wrong, you can get hot women for R100. Not supermodel 10's, mind you, but if that's what you're looking for just skip Help entirely and hit the high end termas. Tom and/or Jerry527 is right on about what he's talking about (even though his spelling is way off) and what's better is that he has the pics to prove it. And he actually showed their faces too, nice job!
I just don't think that Help/Veranda Help are the best places to look for them, if that's what you are into.

Can you get hot women in Rio for R$ 30? Yes, of course, anytime of the year.
Can you get hot women in Rio for R$ 100? Yes, of course, anytime of the year.
Can you get hot women in Copacabana for R$ 100? Yes, during the offseason.
Can you get Help girls for R$ 100? Yes, during the offseason and at the end of the month and as long as you speak solid Portuguese, know your ropes, and negotiate long and hard.
Will it be EASY to get hot women in Copacabana for R$ 100.00? Not, it won't.
Will it be EASY to get Help girls for R$ 100.00? Not, it won't.

For cheap deals, Centro/VM are the places to go, not Copacabana. From what I have seen in Centro, the girls there are just as pretty or just as ugly and quite possibly sweeter and less hardcore, IMHO. I just don't see the point of hanging out until 3 or 4 AM in the usual Copa hangouts and weed through tons of hardcore girls asking for R$ 300.00 TLN when Centro is just a quick metro ride away.

I can see the benefits of hunting for girls in Copacabana for the TLN experience. Since I am not into TLN any longer, the attractiveness of Copa as a playground has greatly decreased for me (as a combination of P4P rates, incidentals, and risks). But to each his own.

EA

Sperto
10-09-06, 09:39
As I usually stay in an apto very close to Help I can't help passing by when I've got nothing better to do. Picking up a nice Help-girl for R$ 100 at the human Zoo outside Help don't have to be too difficult.

One way that works fine for me:
1. Go to the Veranda Help around 23.30. Turn one the bunda-radar. Choose an interesting target (Plan A) and call her over.
2. Chat with her. Before she gets time to order any drinks ask what she charges.
3. She propably tries with something absurd like R$ 300. Instead of starting to laugh hard, tell her that she's so beautiful and deserves much more.
4. Then tell her that unfortunately you're only able to pay her R$ 100, which you think is reasonably comparing to a salário mínimo (R$ 350).
5. By now she might be the one laughing hard. So just tell her it was nice to meet her and advice her to move on as you don't want to waist her time.
6. She will propably do 2 rounds around the restaurant, checking out other potential customers, before she comes back accepting your offer.
* If Plan A fails, go to Plan B.
* Of course this doesn't work on all the girls. I avoid the hardcores and try to choose the girls that looks like newcomers.
* If I go home alone I'll do it smiling as I know I can get a dupla in Centro for the same price. :)

Sperto
10-09-06, 09:46
I met an American guy in VM. He had an interesting solution for the problem with hot cabins at VM. He paid for 2 girls. He f***ed one of them and let the other one stand next to the bed fanning the air with a piece of a cardboard.

Ripple66
10-09-06, 12:46
[What agreat ass Monique has - definitely Puta of the week - if not he month - and its only the 9th.

The Watcher
10-10-06, 18:39
btw, i didnt find the girls in the pictures that fine.sorry boys..

There is no need to apologize - different strokes for different folks.

One of the great things about Rio is that there is such a variety of women that there is someone for everyone.

And, yet, I find it amazing that some mongers actually get upset when a friend of a monger has an encounter with a GDP or termas girl who that monger has been with.

My view is that if she isn't with me, she will be somebody else - so , why not me?

I, however, will not be with a GDP or termas girl if a friend is really hung up on the girl (and, unfortunately, this happens a lot). I believe a good friend is worth more than good pussy (especially good pussy that has been bought by many men)

Sprite13
10-10-06, 19:12
this is a report of my trip from last year. i feel i owe it to everyone in here to give as much as a detailed report as possible. i spent around a month in brasil. i arrived via an overnight flight at gru. on the flight to sao paulo, beside me was sitting a nice carioca girl of about mid 20’s, returning to brasil after a holiday in canada. she was blond, cute and curvy. we chatted almost during the whole flight and got to know each other a bit. by the end of the flight, we were “ficaring”, gotta love those brasileiras. she told me about the places to go and visit in rio, talked to me about lapa and how it is vibrant during the weekend, specially friday nights. i asked her if she could show me around on friday night, but she said no, as she was to meet with her family, however, she would be free the next day, saturday and she would show me around.

from the gru, i had to catch a connecting flight to rio gig. the flight was short and uneventful. when i landed in rio, it was very hot, 47 degrees c. i arrived at gig at 1pm, the customs were a piece of joke, they barely looked at my passport and didn’t even ask for the yellow fever vaccination carnet, which they were emphasizing at the consulate as being a must to have. i had and i wasn’t asked not even once to show it in brasil. after clearing customs, i had to find an atm which would accept canadian cards to get some reais as i didn’t/couldn’t get any in canada. so here i was, with my luggages, touring around the galeão. it was a bit daunting: tired, starving and with no reais on me, all i had was $200us that i had the foresight and smart idea of getting before boarding onto the plane, just in case. and to make things even worst, i had to use all my speed and skills to dribble past all the hustlers of cab drivers, people offering to sell you telephone cards and exchange $. there was one guy who was offering to do it all for me: cab+telephone card+exchange $.

and he wouldn’t take no for no. he followed me for 5 minutes, i literally had to run to the 2nd floor of the airport to get rid of him. ironically and finally, that’s where i found the food court, but since i didn’t have any reais, i wasn’t any better off. so, again, i kept on searching for atms and or a bank. i eventually found the banco do brasil branch upstairs. when i entered into the branch, i was shocked to see cops/military men with shot guns inside the bank. and not to mention the big fat line up. i stood in the line for 3 minutes and realized that i wouldn’t be out of there in a long time, so i left the bank and right outside, there were other atms but none that would accept my bank card. i had specifically opened an hsbc account for my brasil trip knowing that hsbc have a big presence overseas, including brasil. to my surprise the hsbc machine wouldn’t take my hsbc card. wtf? i tried my card on a couple of other machines and still nothing, none would work. panic almost started to get me. finally, beside me, there was a bradesco atm. mechanically, i inserted my card into it and low and behold, it worked! i almost jumped of joy! finally, i was able to get those once scarce reais into my hands!

once with the cash in hand, i went back to the food court to grab a much needed bite. after my recharge of energy, went back downstairs, looking for a cab to get into my hotel. again, the same dance of hustlers resumed. since i was too tired as i hadn’t had any sleep in 48 hours (on the plane, not able to and the night before, of excitement!), i didn’t bother haggling with any of those independent cab drivers, instead just went to a booth and bought a taxi voucher to copacabana for i believe 76 reais. before hopping into the cab, i needed one more thing: an international calling card to let the family know i was finally in the promised land safe and in one piece. i toured the galeão once again in search of places that would sell a calling card. i found an internet café upstairs which sold me called vip card for 20us$ rechargeable. btw, if anyone can suggest a good place to buy international calling cards in brasil, i would be grateful as one of the things that i struggled the most was with the calling cards, both international and local. i bought a couple and none would work. i bought one in a newsstand in ipanema called “telemar 31” and this was the most user unfriendly card ever. it wouldn’t work first of all and then, when it worked, would play an endless list of messages and before i even had the time to dial the number, my credits were used up….

so, finally, after spending almost 4 hours in the airport, i went to take a cab and off i left the airport to my hotel in copacabana, the othon travel hotel. i had booked it online for 135$us a night and needless to say, it was not worth it at all. sure it was right in front of the copa beach, with a beach view from my room, but nothing to warrant such a fee. since i had booked for 2 nights, i was stuck there, but i didn’t stay there long. by the time i reached the hotel, it was 6pm, the sun was about to set down and it was still very hot. i wanted to go for a walk to the beach, but i was too tired. crashed onto the bed and fell asleep on the spot. woke up at around 9pm. took a shower and went downstairs to grab a bite at the hotel’s restaurant. the restaurant was empty, i ordered a nice pizza com camaraoes (delicious!!!!) and a few capirinhas. i was sitting there enjoying my meal and the view of the beach from the restaurant at night when i saw this fine sexy morena passing by. i looked at her and she caught me looking at her. she stopped net in her track and smiled at me and waved me over. she was so fine, it didn’t take much for me to go to her. she greeted me with a big nice hug and said in the most sexy carioca accent, “posso ser sua namorada pra a noite? sou super safadinha!” opa! she didn’t need to say much else to convince me. i asked how much, she said 200 reais, i countered with 100 and we settled for 150 for 2 hours. we hopped onto a cab for a short ride to motel lido, 30 reais for the motel and 5 reais for the cab. i could have walked to the motel, since this was my first night in rio, tired and not very familiar with my surroundings, didn’t want to take any unnecessary risks, also remembering the warnings from this board and from the carioca girl on the plane.

inside the motel, she was a real tigress. as soon as we walked into the room, she almost rapped me. she dragged me into the shower almost still fully dressed. spent a good 10-20 minutes just fooling around in the shower. then, to the bed where it was very wild. 20 minutes of bbbj almost to completion, had the hardest of time holding it but she was a very good pro and couldn’t hold it any longer and blew it inside of her mouth. what a nice way to relief some of the stress and fatigue built up on the plane! after that, i played with her and then, once my pau was operational again, we went at it in various positions. first with a cowgirl, she rode me like a raging bull, then, a very sexy and sensual missionary and finally, her lying on the bed on her tummy flat and me pounding her sexy bunda. it was so hot i couldn’t take it any longer and blew inside of her. after this round, we cuddled and talked about the places to go and see. she suggested to see her again tomorrow at the beach and then for some action, i nodded but didn’t take her up on her offer as i had the carioca from the plane lined up for the saturday. with hindsight, i should have at least taken her # as she was very wild in bed. and before i left, since mr pau was asking again for some attention, she kindly and nicely obliged and gave me a long and nice bbbj ending with a pearl necklace. needless to say, i left with a big grin. i was too tired and sleepy to continue, i went to the hotel and called it a night.

saturday, woke up late and recharged, it was raining hard outside and kind of frisky. called the carioca and she came to my hotel where we had lunch together. since it was rainy and frisky, we headed for the room and then, it got hot and we spent the entire afternoon exploring each other’s bodies. everything went, no holes spared. sweeeeeeet!!! at around 8pm, she had to leave as she was to meet her cousins. i took a quick nap to recover and then, went for dinner at the local carretão churrascaria in copacabana. delicious! was planning to go to a terma after dinner, but besides the carretão, there was a restaurant with a patio and a live band. sat there to enjoy the show and a few drinks. met a nice carioca man, professor at the ufrj, chatted with him about brasil and all and in the process chatted with a couple of carioca hotties. got the digits, could have bedded them if i had stayed longer in rio, but didn’t pursue them as i had other plans…

on the way from the restaurant to my hotel to get changed and ready for the night out, i saw standing near my hotel, the most spectacular blonde i had ever layed my eyes upon. i stared at her in disbelief. she was flawless from head to toe. went to talk to her and there, out of nowhere, another chick appeared, short and ugly, asking me if i liked her friend. of course i liked her, that’s why i went to talk to her and then, the spectacular blonde as soon as she opened her mouth, i had the biggest shock of my trip so far: she was not a she, but a he. disgusted, i turned around towards my hotel and the, fugly one grabbed my hand and said wait, she’s good. i said, no thank you, not interested and i walked faster and they started running after me. literally, i had to run to escape from these 2 shemales. ahahaahahah. thankfully, the hotel was just around the corner and as the valet form the hotel had witnessed the scene, the bastard was laughing and we both had a good laugh over a choppe and he gave me some good tips for the future. went upstairs, took a shower and changed. from the window of my hotel, i could see the gdps parading along avenida atlantica and there were some nice ones. decided to check the scene from up and close. went downstairs, strolled along the avenida as well, but not too far from my hotel for safety reasons, i was approached by one girl, very sexy, very hot, wearing next to nothing but very hard core. she started talking to me in italian saying "120 reais per programma. andiamo" (120 reais per programme. let's go".

it was too obvious she was too hardcore and i'm not into that thus, i passed. a few more girls passed by, some nice, some so so and some down right fugly. then, at one moment, a short, hot body little thing comes, and starts talking to me. at first, i started ignoring her as she was not really my type, but she insisted, not in an unpleasant way mind you, but in a rather sexy way. just besides the hotel, on the street besides it there was a fusca van selling beer and other drinks. we started talking to the vendor and bought the girl a beer and we sat down at one of the chairs there to get a feel of the girl. boy, that girl didn't waste a moment. as soon as we sat down, she started feeling me all over and took my hand and directed it towards her smooth thighs and down her shaved and already wet busceta while we were making out like crazy. after 10-15 minutes of this petting and fooling around, she said let's go to my apartment, it's right here 30 reais. (no, this is not a typo, you read it right: 30 reais!).

i couldn't believe it, hot, sexy and only 30 reais right on avenida atlantica? so we walked to her apartment. she said she was sharing it with a roomate. once we got inside the building, the security guy told her that the roomate was busy (read with a client) and we couldn't get to the apartment until they're not done. we sat on the sofa in the lobby and started fooling around again before long. then she stood up and went to talk to the security guy and convinced the guy to open the door for the basement where the water meter was located so we can go there and have some privacy there. she was that horny!

can you believe that? in the basement, where the water meter is along the building's other wirings there was a type of long corridor, probably 2.5 metres wide and 20 metres long. as soon as there, she almost tore up her clothes and mine and from that moment, it was pure animal adrenaline, extremely wild. first started with more making out and heaving fingering to both holes, followed by a crazy 69 me standing and holding her up on my shoulders with her head down working at it. after some moments of this delicious action, she went on her knees and gave me the wildest, wetest and craziest bbbjtc i've ever had. before long, i couldn't hold it no more and i let her know i am about to come and here, instead of pulling out, she pumped even harder and harder and i exploded right inside her mouth. i was shaking, intense and she kept it there until i was completely drained and still continued to pump as if nothing. she finally let me take my pau out of her mouth and showed the load in her mouth and she said "gostoso demais!. quero mais!". it was quite late and i was really tired and i called it a night. since i only had a 50 reais note on me and the service was simply oustanding, i tipped her 20 reais. still, you can't beat that kind of service at that price.

while talking to this girl before the action, she said there would be a festinha in her apartment on tuesday as it was her b-day and all her friends (read gdps) would be present and i could join them and fuck them for free. but since i was leaving town before that, i missed on that. i would have loved to go to that party...i wish i had taken her number as she would have probably been a volcano for the subsequent times. i have attached a pic of the 2 girls i did in rio. mind you, they're not my pics, it's from another board but it's from the same girls, just to give you guys an idea.

the next day, i went to the ilha do governador to a catch a game of flamengo. it was something. i regret not having taken my camera with me...
after that, i changed hotel to a more quieter, classier and surprisingly less expensive one in ipanema. sure it didn't have an ocean view, but it was a lot nicer. the next day, monday, did some touristy stuff such as visiting the floresta da tijuca, the sambodromo, the maracana and finally the corcovado. on a side note, anyone going to rio, must venture out and visit some attractions as this city is just superbly rich in terms of its landmarks and its breathe-taking natural beauty.

after that, the next day, on a tuesday afternoon, i left town to fly to the interior to meet the non-pro. i was supposed to stay there at most 3-4 days, i ended up staying the entire remaining of my time as i really got on superbly with that non-pro. while there, i of course, couldn't partake in any mongering as i was either with her most of the time and when i was alone, i didn't want to risk and also as i didn't know much about that city. however, at night, when she would drive me back to the hotel, we would pass an entire area near the hotel full of gdp's standing on the side of the road. there were some smoking hot ones, but of course, i could'nt even look at them.

not much else to report from my time spent in that city as it was all just regular stuff, nothing relevant to this board. on my last day, i flew back to rio. arrived late at night, it was raining yet again. went to the same hotel in ipanema, took a shower, changed and went to grab a bite at carretão, but it was packed with a 30 minute waiting time to be allowed in. i didn't want to wait, hopped onto a taxi. asked a taxi driver about a good place to eat and close to places to have fun. he drove me straight to the infamous helpee.:d

had a not so bad dinner there, watching the scene unfold in front of me with the hordes of garotas hustling customers and those trying to beat the midnight deadline type of thing before getting into help. didn't see anything worthwile outside, but curiosity got the better of me and i just had to get inside help. went inside and it was a zoo. women of all types and shapes and colours. stayed there not too long, saw the typical crowd, young europeans dressed as if they were going in a regular club; more mature men dancing, was fun watching and of course, some us brothers living their playa and big roller's fantasy seating on the couches with champagne and a few garotas with them. it was fun to watch all that. approached a few girls, quoted outrageous prices 4-500 reais. passed all. then, as i was about to leave, spotted this very sexy morena, tall, popuzuda and an allure that just smelled sex. talked to her, was nice but rather too mechanical. started with 300 reais quote, counter-offered with 150 and settled with 200 tln completinha. the only mistake i made was to let her chose the motel. she took me to this motel very close to help so close that she said we could go by taxi for free. i mean how a free cab ride, she smiled and said, just follow me. i was drunk and horny and thought with the smaller head instead of the bigger one. nothing bad happened mind you, but the place just ripped me off: 70 reais for 3 hours for a very average, room. wtf?

anyways, straight to the action. lots of fun and wild play in the shower (i love wet/water action!), then onto the bed where everything went and no holes spared. after each round, we would cuddle and talk about where she was from (bahia) and chat about general things and the type of clients she would go with. she gave me a full description of each type and it was rather funny. :d even tough we had a deal for tln, 3 hours later, i let her go as i was totally wasted, in big need of a rest before my flight back home the next day. went to the hotel and crashed. woke up on time to tidy my things, take a shower and have one of the guys of the hotel drive me to the gig for 30 reais, i gave him 50 reais as he was a nice lad and had driven me around a couple of times for free.

there you have it folks, my first trip to the promised land. despite not sampling as much as i would have wanted since i was locked most of the time with my non-pro in the interior, i did my best to report the few times i did manage/have the time for the hobby. my next trip, which should be hopefully late spring/early summer next year, i intend on being introduced to the wonderful and magical world of termas, specially in centro and i'd be mroe than grateful to anyone who could take me under their wing and show me around. i do speak portuguese and i'd be happy to provide help with that in exchange for being shown the ropes and around in town, specially in centro. i know it's a little bit too ahead of time, but anyone knows if they'll be in rio around end of june 2007?:d oh and first 2-3 drinks on me!:)

all in all, i probably wouldn't return to helpee. not my thing. music way too loud and too smokey. my tactic next time in rio would be to go to termas, hook up with girls i like there and have them go with me to regular clubs where the cariocas go wild.

i hope you've enjoyed reading it as much as i did while writting it. needless to say it brought a lot of vivid and unforgettable memories. i'm almost getting emotional as i type these concluding words. snif, snif, snif...

saudades muitas grandes e muitas fortes do brasil!

p.s. anyone with questions can pm me, specially those who are considering going to rio for the first time. i was there too, i know how daunting it can be and i am grateful for the wealth of info i gathered in here and i'd be more than happy to give back of my little and modest contribution and knowledge. the only thing i won't be providing is pics of my non-pro, that one i'll keep it for me, if you guys don't mind. :d anything else, just shoot.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Member #4217
10-10-06, 19:23
btw, i didnt find the girls in the pictures that fine.sorry boys..Well, since we all would like to see some really fine ladies, please feel free to show us up!

I generally find that people who have a hard time doing well. Will often critisize others who do, rather than look within themselves to try to improve!

IMHO

Tom

Sprite13
10-10-06, 19:44
A couple of pics the girls I enjoyed during my Rio Trip last year:

(hope it works, if not, please help!).

Jan 156
10-11-06, 15:28
you can get hot women for R100. Not supermodel 10's, mind you, but if that's what you're looking for just skip Help entirely and hit the high end termas. . . . I knew a Swiss guy who wouldn't even go inside Help; what he would do is wait outside the club around 4-5 am, wait for the girls who hadn't made any money to leave, and get them to go home with him for anywhere from R50 for a quickie to R100 for LT.I totally agree. What you do commonly get for higher prices is a woman wearing more expensive clothes and make-up, but you can get hotties for less than R30 in town and for R50 in Copa. Waiting outside Help near closing time is a clever tactic if you are confident, but less so if you are lacking rio streetwise. Some of the girls at Help travel quite a way into Copa, so if they don't get business they have an expensive taxi ride ahead unless there's a night bus to their district. If they haven't scored by that time, it's saving them money, even before you pay them. You can often find local girls by the Suco bars if you walk home along Av.NS.Copa.

You can also (daytime) get the occasional hotties in the Copa massagens from around 50R. Paying money in Copa is an extravagance but sometimes it's nice to pop out of apartment, nip across to a restaurant on Atlantica, and, if there's anything really nice, get a carry out without messing around.

Papa Wahala
10-11-06, 16:28
Greetings Gents,

Papa Wahala has got a major itch that only Brazilian garotas can scratch.

Last time I was in Rio (May 2006), I stayed at a Gringo Management apartment. The service was mixed.

I have taken note of the number of negative reviews GM has received since that time and would welcome other suggestions.

I would prefer to be near the beach in Copa or Ipanema but am willing to be flexible.

My bottom line is getting my money's worth.

Cheers,

PW

Full Throttle
10-11-06, 16:38
50 to 100 reals for a girl! The girls pay 32 reals to get in. They would be better off working at mcdonalds. I dont want to be with any girl that would accept 50 reals because she probably has every STD there is...

Didn't you get into the "you must pay more to avoid STD's" dicussion on the argentinaprivate forum? Whatever.

There is simply no correlation between disease and price. None.

I would argue that the correlation between hot girls, service and price exists only in the most general sense, with huge variances.

Price generally does correlate with environment. To some, like GK in Sao Paulo, spending the extra money for WE is well worth it (700-1,000 per night). I have a friend who does nothing but Barbarella. Once, we did Luomos, which was slumming it for him. For me, Luomos is a wonderful treat because it is so simple and the environment is so friendly. But, heading downtown with Ibiza and finding apartments with hot, less jaded girls for less than 100R including the excitement of facing electro-therapy in the bare-wired shower heater yields just as good results looks and service wise.

So, anyone who wants to say that they prefer a particular environment because of a higher percentage of hot girls or whatever is 100% right for them and I will not argue. This old arguement that you have to pay a certain amount to guarantee looks, service or hygeine has been proven ridiculous so many times that I am going to ask Jackson to reduce my post number by one, as I am embarassed to have wasted the space.

FT

Member #4217
10-11-06, 17:25
I have taken note of the number of negative reviews GM has received since that time and would welcome other suggestions.

PWI stayed at the ApartHotel on the corner of Siegera Campose and Barata Rieberia for a month using Gringo Mgt. Had absolutely no issues. In fact David covered half the phone bill for me.

Generally people who write reviews are people who are unhappy! Every organiozation has these people.

But, even though David tried real hard to get me a good long term deal on the same apartment, I got a better deal on a 6 month rental from www.rentaflat.com.br

Here is the apartment link:

http://www.rentaflat.com.br/apartamentos.php?filtrar=1&tipo=A&PHPSESSID=18da4d2eff41309723fb70853fb0faaf

Tell Filipe Jim said to do you good!

Tom

Spazzio
10-11-06, 23:20
I plan to go Rio and to Copa in happy New year.

Are the anybody some can give me information about nice appartment to rent?

What is best to stay Copa or Impanema?

Member #4156
10-12-06, 00:11
This old arguement that you have to pay a certain amount to guarantee looks, service or hygeine has been proven ridiculous so many times that I am going to ask Jackson to reduce my post number by one, as I am embarassed to wasted the space.

FT
FT, this gotta be the most intelligent thing I've read on this board in months.

Carrib
10-12-06, 01:41
Excellent report Sprite13 and glad u had a good time. Regarding the prices I have seen pics of hotties (one posted by Ronnyron) from VM. In Rio, the same girl that will charge 300-500 reals will fuck someone else for 100 reals or FREE.

There is no place like Rio but when guys are paying avg looking skanks 400-500 reals and the dollar is weak. I need to leave Rio alone for awhile. enough said...

Ked--nice to hear from you man.

Member #4018
10-12-06, 14:28
I returned from Rio 1 week ago. Stayed for 2 days.

When I arrived, I stayed in my apartment and just relaxed. I planned on visiting 4x4 but was just too tired. My buddy talked about the activity in HELP and, somehow, convinced me it would be a good idea to go in this particular night. So we went out to eat, relaxed, and then went inside 2:00a.m. That was a bad idea. Every girl I spoke with quoted R300. From 2 hours to all night, R300. After 1 hour of this, I decided to leave. My buddy got his regular and we left. I usually get a girl from outside for R100-R150 TLN but I went against this. But, I would not pay R300 even though I was leaving the following day. Here is a break-down of what I spent.

HELP entrance fee: R32
Water: R2.50

So the following day, I took the bus and metro to centro. Visited a place loaded with girls that I visited the previous month with a fellow monger. Got a bottle of water, paid the girl, took some pictures, rolled around with her for about 20 minutes, and then left. Got a bite to eat and then returned to my apartment. Here is the break-down of what I spent.

Metro fee: R4.60
Water: R2
Girl: R20
Food: R10

I knew better than to enter HELP with the small amount of girls going in. Next time, I'll just make my picks from outside.

Pics in the photo section

Member #4217
10-12-06, 22:37
HELP Veranda. R100.

It was fun! I just had to try it!

But, guys, she may not be available now. This photo is about 1 month old, and she was at about 7 1/2 months at that time!

Tom

Rosine
10-12-06, 23:13
I used to hit Rio all the time. Twice a year for about four years. Then the inevitable happened. I got married. Ok, no need to rail on me, I know what I did was stupid on the monger front, but hey, for me, cool is dying in your bed when you're 87 with all your kids, grandkids and such around. So that's my motivation. Anyway, I digress. Back to the Rio trip. So now, I'm itching to hit the lovely Rio again, which we all know is without question, the best place for quick, efficient and super hot P4P action.

I thought what I'd do is hit up a nice hotel over near Ipanema and then call up Karla models and the other regular agencies for some love motel actions. I also figure on a one week trip I can get away for whatever misc. Activity and perhaps get two shots at a Terma, maybe Luomo since it's so secluded and perhaps, 4 x 4. I was just wondering if anyone had any advice on how to pull this thing off. I'll do all the sights and I'll stay away from Meia Pataca and Help area, especially at night, but any other advice? Any ideas for a good hotel in Rio, perhaps one that will give me the secluded resort feel and keep me out of the public eye? I welcome all input. Thanks.

R

Rio Bob
10-12-06, 23:40
A couple of pics the girls I enjoyed during my Rio Trip last year:

(hope it works, if not, please help!).I read your post sounds like you had a good time, you said that you had several girls in Rio and that this girl you had but this is not your picture, which girl in your story is this girl?

Proliberalist
10-13-06, 13:18
Excellent report, one od the best reports I have read on this forum.

Great experiences, and I must say some of us, including me, probably envy you.

You have not mentioned the name of the city in the interior, was it a big place and did it look promising as a destination ?

Pedrassi
10-13-06, 13:27
While I briefly remarked on the whole "working girl poor girl exploitation" thing it was not meant as a criticism in itself to sprite13. If it were, I'd be criticizing all of you (as well as myself). I just used it to illustrate what an amusing and hypocritical conversation he must have had with his mother.

To Bubby_boy, mierda-austriaca and all the others who decided to attack me for questioning some "monger axioms" on the Morality of Prostitution thread it seems you have a problem with people who think slightly differently from you. In that post many of you had the liberty to quote I was basically just reassessing and testing my convictions in order to remain coherent in my ideals. I wasn't necessarily stating that I agree or disagree with prostitution as a whole.

I still stand by what I said and think of sprite13 after exposing his thoughts and actions to us though. One thing is having sex with prostitutes. Blatantly cheating on that special girl who you're about to visit for the first time personally is quite another. This "egocentrism" or "desire to impress as a macho" or "lack of personal self-esteem" or "need for special help" (all pretty much applicable here) is reinforced by this guy previously asking in the forum if it was worth going after this "special girl"...

I'm sure a lot of members here will angrily disagree. But if you're uncapable of offering minimal respect to the people surrounding you (which is basic common sense, at least for me) then you have no legitimate grounds for arguing back.

Pedrassi

Lorenzo
10-13-06, 19:12
Any ideas for a good hotel in Rio, perhaps one that will give me the secluded resort feel and keep me out of the public eye? I welcome all input. Thanks.

R
The Sheraton on Av. Niemeyer is your best bet; lovely resort type hotel, reasonably priced, girl friendly. Second best bet is the Intercontinental in Sao Conrado, but it's a distant second: much farther away, more expensive, and I don't know if it's GF or not.

Crypton
10-13-06, 19:16
HELP Veranda. R100.

It was fun! I just had to try it!

But, guys, she may not be available now. This photo is about 1 month old, and she was at about 7 1/2 months at that time!

Tom

Wow - that is different. Can get almost anything in Rio, I guess.

Scooby1
10-13-06, 20:56
A real life look into the Favela Brazil ghetto.

http://favelarising.com/default.php

Rosine
10-13-06, 22:51
I read your post sounds like you had a good time, you said that you had several girls in Rio and that this girl you had but this is not your picture, which girl in your story is this girl?Rio Bob,

Thanks for the input. I want something that is completely girl unfriendly, I'm coming with my wife.. my real wife! I don't want her near anything that looks suspect. I want her to have the time of her life, enjoy brazil and everything it has to offer including a great hotel, preferably in an upscale part of Rio.. meaning, NOT in Copa. Maybe Ipanema?

Sprite13
10-14-06, 04:23
I read your post sounds like you had a good time, you said that you had several girls in Rio and that this girl you had but this is not your picture, which girl in your story is this girl?She was the one on the first night in Rio. A fine sexy, wild and super safadinha moreninha. Highly recommended.

Too bad the other pic didn't come through. I'll see if I can change the format or anything to make it postable and viewable in here.

Proliberalist, the city in question is the capital of the country. A hot, dry and sunny city. Can be boring as hell to some, but I personally enjoyed it a lot there. Mongering wise, I read it does have some options, but nowhere near the quality nor the quantity as say in Rio or SP. And of course, I couldn't and didn't even try looking for as I was "locked" the whole time there.

And thanks guys, I am glad you liked the report. :)

Brazilman
10-14-06, 18:14
Rosine, care to share how long you been married and how long it took after that to get bored and want rio again? Give us some details on married life please...

Rio Bob
10-14-06, 18:31
I used to hit Rio all the time. Twice a year for about four years. Then the inevitable happened. I got married. Ok, no need to rail on me, I know what I did was stupid on the monger front, but hey, for me, cool is dying in your bed when you're 87 with all your kids, grandkids and such around. So that's my motivation. Anyway, I digress. Back to the Rio trip. So now, I'm itching to hit the lovely Rio again, which we all know is without question, the best place for quick, efficient and super hot P4P action.

I thought what I'd do is hit up a nice hotel over near Ipanema and then call up Karla models and the other regular agencies for some love motel actions. I also figure on a one week trip I can get away for whatever misc. Activity and perhaps get two shots at a Terma, maybe Luomo since it's so secluded and perhaps, 4 x 4. I was just wondering if anyone had any advice on how to pull this thing off. I'll do all the sights and I'll stay away from Meia Pataca and Help area, especially at night, but any other advice? Any ideas for a good hotel in Rio, perhaps one that will give me the secluded resort feel and keep me out of the public eye? I welcome all input. Thanks.

R

I just had this conversation with a friend of mine the other day; we used to go to Rio before he was married and a couple of times a few years ago when he was married. He told me that the other day his wife said to him, looks like your days of going to Rio with Rio Bob are over? He responded that no he is just taking a break because he needs his money for other things. She then said to him we can go together if you want? He said to me then why even go?

My answer to him was that you need to position yourself in a hotel that she likes, has many things for a woman to do and she feels safe and comfortable in. I told him just like Lorenzo told you that the best choices are The Rio Sheraton or the Intercontinental both have a sprawling resort type feel with restaurants, Olympic size pools, spas, hairdressers, manicures and a gym. So after a couple of days of touring with her she might turn around to you and tell you she is going to get a manicure and a massage and lay by the pool honey, what are you going to do today?

Well you know the answer to that already, don't you? If you choose the Rio Sheraton then right across the street is several Love Motels like VIP and Shalimar and others. All you have to do is walk out the Sheraton, walk across the street, meet your escort in the lobby, and spend 2 hours with her then walk right across the street to see how the massage is coming along. You can always say that you walked to Ipanema and back, great exercise. As a matter of fact you can take daily walks, right? Since the motels are right across the street then no commute time, your time is used very efficiently. Just make sure you call ahead of time as it usually takes these girls an hour to show up so you don't want to be sitting in the room waiting for an hour, just wasted time.

Years ago I took 2 girlfriends to Rio, both times when I landed we hopped in a taxi and went straight to Buzios then on the way back stayed 1 or 2 nights in the Rio Othon Palace but in those days Meia Pataca was just like any other cafe on Ave. Atlantica, it just wasn't as obvious but the same stuff went on.

Then of course you have the Caesar Park hotel in Ipanema but the roof top pool is small, she may get bored there, you really want a place where you can leave her and feel safe that she has room to move around like the Sheraton. There are also 2 hotels in Leblon Marina Park and Marina Palace, not sure about the pools of these hotels but if they have any I bet they would be small roof top but the Caesar Park would be the highest class but the Marina hotels are nice too.

Then of course you can get away with this at the Marriott on Copa, very nice roof top pool and in short walking distance not too much evidence of the Copa scene, this is a great option for Copa along with the Copacabana Palace, in those areas of Copa the GDP scene is not too evident. Plus the Copacabana Palace has a big pool and very very nice, your wife would love it plus easy for you to get away to the Copa termas's.

Sperto
10-14-06, 21:25
The great thing with Brazil is that you can choose between TLN, termas, escorts and shorttimes.

Shorttime places in Centro and VM are just like "Comida por quilo". A quick and cheap way to fulfill your needs. Some kilo-places are better than others. Some will have a lot of delicious dishes and others will only have left-overs.

Escorts are like calling for a pizza. Reasonable price, but you can't be sure you'll get what you were expecting.

Termas are like Porcão. You get quality and pays for it.

Help is something in between. They serve ordinary kilo-dishes but at a cost equal to Porcão.

Every now and then it's nice to eat at Porcão, but I rather eat 10 times at a kilo-place for the same cost.

El Austriaco
10-14-06, 21:34
My answer to him was that you need to position yourself in a hotel that she likes, has many things for a woman to do and she feels safe and comfortable in. I told him just like Lorenzo told you that the best choices are The Rio Sheraton or the Intercontinental both have a sprawling resort type feel with restaurants, Olympic size pools, spas, hairdressers, manicures and a gym. So after a couple of days of touring with her she might turn around to you and tell you she is going to get a manicure and a massage and lay by the pool honey, what are you going to do today?
This reminds me of what my Mexican friends tell me as to what to do when you just have to take your significant other on a trip. Talk to the manager of your hotel, explain your dilemma, and have him approach the wife on your behalf. Have the manager tell her that the hotel just did a big raffle for all the guests staying at the hotel, and TRA TRA, she won a FREE hour-long beauty treatment at the hotel's facilities. Everything included, everything she wants. Congratulate her, give her a kiss, and tell her that she deserves it... and leave her alone to enjoy for a couple of hours :)

A hefty tip for the gerente later, you are all set. Of course, the beauty treatment is on you, too.

Talk about shamelessly exploring women's weaknesses. Just gotta beat them at their own game, I guess.

EA

Rio Bob
10-14-06, 22:33
A vetern of Rio took me to these places in Centro during my 1st visit to Rio and I liked it so much (I wish I took my camera with me, but next time I will for my next trip) and I cant wait to go back, what a deal 30R for 30 min you cant beat that f*** those Help GP'S talking that 300R non-sense.

You meet a girl in Help or outside Help, your a good hard negotiator, you get her to come to your apartment TLN for 150 reais. Its 1 o'clock in the morning, you have sex with her to 4 AM, 3 hours, and then you both go to sleep.

Next morning you guys wake up and go at it again for an hour now you have spent 4 hours with her outside of sleeping. So that's 240 minutes at 150 reais is .62 reais a minute, less than 1 real a minute.

If you pay her 200 reais than that is .83 of a real a minute still less than 1 real.

And if she was a real stunner and you really wanted her and she wouldn't budge from 300 reais then you paid her the exorbitant amount of 1.25 real for each minute.

How different is this from Centro? The only difference is your just buying her time in bulk, getting her to stay over for a better GFE rather than a quickie.

Like I said before everybody does Rio in a different way, if you prefer going on a centro termas crawl looking for that new gem of the day and going into a stall for a 30 or 20 minute quickie than that's fine to each his own, the meter is running you pay by the minute. I know guys who do this, I can go with them anytime I want but I prefer to do Rio in a different way.

The bottom line is I don't think it is any cheaper, your just paying for a shorter amount of her time and that's it.

No need to curse at the girls who work Help, they're just providing a different kind of service in a different kind of way. And if you factor in all of the other services a Help girl provides like having a couple of drinks with you inside Help, dancing with you inside Help, just having a full night of GFE of joking and conversation then by far these girls on average provide a much more cost efficient experience.

El Austriaco
10-14-06, 23:13
How different is this from Centro? The only difference is your just buying her time in bulk, getting her to stay over for a better GFE rather than a quickie.
First of all, I wouldn't agree that paying for more time off the bat necessarily translates into more of (or a better) GFE. It can, but it doesn't have to. In addition, some mongers might be more into the GFE than others. Considering how quickly a GFE can turn into a "crazy girlfriend" experience in Copacabana, I usually try to stay clear of it.

But one big difference certainly is that if you hit a dud (a DFE), in Centro it's a R$ 20.00 or R$ 15.00 mistake to write off. In Help, it's a R$ 200.00 or R$ 300.00 mistake. We are talking 10 to 1. Big difference for me.

And if the girl works out after the initial R$ 20.00 or R$ 15.00 test-run, I can still always invite her over for the TLN experience. No such test runs in Copacabana. To use Sperto's dead-on metaphor, it´s like eating at a kilo place, but you have to buy at least a kilo without getting a chance to taste the food. And in the end, the tab turns out like at Porcão, without any guarantee that it is as good.

In other words, in Centro, you have almost nothing to lose. In Copacabana, the girl has almost nothing to lose and a whole lot to gain. That's why so many girls are in Copacabana, not because they offer a "more time-effective service".

I've said it before, and I will say it again: Copacabana freelance GDPs are hardcore hookers who specialize in one thing and one thing only: the inexperienced tourist market.

Does that mean that you can NOT have a good time there? No, it doesn't. I sure you have had great times there. Does it mean that, even with lots of experience, you will get screwed all the time? No, of course not.

But the basic truth still holds true: these girls are in Copacabana because they know perfectly well that there, they can make many more times the money they would make hooking anywhere else.

And if for some mongers, it still works out to a win-win situation for them, GOOD FOR THEM!

EA

Misinformation
10-15-06, 00:09
Guys, been travelling to Rio for 10 years. I am not even sure Help should be discussed on this board. People should not even visit Help for P4P. For all of those who have never been there, Help is simply a large club on the beach just like in any major city in the world. You meet a girl. You expect her to treat you like the girl of your dreams (XXX), she expect her new boyfriend to treat her like the guy of her dreams ($$$). Sort of like a fantasy for both. I can only recommend going there if either a.) you like to party at a club all night and score and don't mind giving your gal $100 for the taxi home, or b.) you are looking for a vacation girlfriend who must be treated like a real girlfriend if you expect her to act like a real girlfriend.

BootyTapper
10-15-06, 00:12
But one big difference certainly is that if you hit a dud (a DFE), in Centro it's a R$ 20.00 or R$ 15.00 mistake to write off. In Help, it's a R$ 200.00 or R$ 300.00 mistake. We are talking 10 to 1. Big difference for me.

And if the girl works out after the initial R$ 20.00 or R$ 15.00 test-run, I can still always invite her over for the TLN experience. No such test runs in Copacabana. To use Sperto's dead-on metaphor, it´s like eating at a kilo place, but you have to buy at least a kilo without getting a chance to taste the food. And in the end, the tab turns out like at Porcão, without any guarantee that it is as good.

EA

Is it the exchange rate that has made us all economist now? I bet if the exchange rate goes back over $2.50R+ all numbers are out the window. It will be monger heaven again and nobody will care about bargins.
El Austriaco you got me rolling with this one!

Bubba Boy
10-15-06, 01:53
a dud (a DFE) EA

I think a "WFE" (wife experience) is a better description of a dud than a "DFE".

Rio Bob
10-15-06, 02:29
I've said it before, and I will say it again: Copacabana freelance GDPs are hardcore hookers who specialize in one thing and one thing only: the inexperienced tourist market.EA

Ok, so then what are we saying here? That the girls in Villa Mimosa and who work in the Centro termas are just young innocent sweet young ladies whose sole purpose in life is to make sure that you have an honest, safe, and risk free experience at the lowest possible price?

Most of the girls I have met in Help/ Copacabana were just girls from all over Brasil 18 to 25 years old who didn't know thier ass from their elbow about what is going on in this world and your afraid of them getting over on you?

Rio Bob
10-15-06, 02:34
Guys, been travelling to Rio for 10 years. I am not even sure Help should be discussed on this board.

Really? what should be discussed on this board? How to find a place where you pay by the minute? What kind of discussion is that? What just directions? Yeah I was in and out in 20 minutes and I came and it was cheap.

Rio Bob
10-15-06, 02:42
Is it the exchange rate that has made us all economist now? I bet if the exchange rate goes back over $2.50R+ all numbers are out the window. It will be monger heaven again and nobody will care about bargins.
El Austriaco you got me rolling with this one!

Yes it's the exchange rate, 4 years ago when the dollar was fetching 4 reais there was no mention here about alternatives and that’s fine and its fine that people are talking about it now but that’s what it is. But what I find interesting is that now they say the Copa scene is just for inexperienced mongers and the Centro scene is for geniuses.

Ee2002
10-15-06, 07:45
LOL Rio Bob, that shit makes me laugh when they say that. I personally experienced some of those small centro joints and I wasn't impressed. Yeah there were a couple of cuties and it's cheap, but unless you just want a quick cheap nut, thats about the only plus I see (imho). The beauty of Rio is that you have options, it never made any sense to me that guys would put down one venue over another, and make it seem that the guys who frequent those spots are morons.

To each their own. If $20r is what gets you going then so be,if you wanna spend $300r+ for places like Barbarella or Centaurus more power to you.There is something for everybody at the adult Disneyland, thats one of the things that makes it superior to other mongering spots.While its probably true that there are more likely to be more tourist suckers at places like Help, a true veteran shouldn't have any problems getting some decent poon at a decent price. It's all a matter of what you are into and most importantly enjoying yourself.

El Austriaco
10-15-06, 10:07
But what I find interesting is that now they say the Copa scene is just for inexperienced mongers and the Centro scene is for geniuses.
Read again, Rio Bob: I never said that Copa scene "is just for inexperienced mongers", I said, verbatim, "Copacabana freelance GDPs are hardcore hookers who specialize in one thing and one thing only: the inexperienced tourist market". Can you deny that that's what the ideal customer profile is for a Copacabana pista chick? A client that thinks that there is nothing else to Rio P4P but Help and the Av. Atlantica places, has no idea about pricing and no idea of how much R$ 300.00 is actually worth in Brazil these days? Not that I blame the girls for that, not at all: everyone of us is trying to get ahead in life the best way everyone of us can.

Can you do fine as an experienced monger in Copacabana? Sure you can. I never said anything else, actually. I also never said they were only inexperienced mongers in Copacabana. But having talked to many mongers there, I would say that that is what most are, yes. And that's why they are there, because they don't know any better. And that's why the hardcore Copacaba GDPs are there... for them, not for an experienced monger like you, Bob.

As to your question as to your question whether I think that "the girls in Villa Mimosa and who work in the Centro termas are just young innocent sweet young ladies whose sole purpose in life is to make sure that you have an honest, safe, and risk free experience at the lowest possible price?" No, they are not. Actually, IMHO, they are "hardcore hookers who are just as pretty and accommodating as Copabacaba hardcore hookers and who specialize in the local market at a mere fraction of what the Copacabana hardcore hookers try to charge whatever gullible tourist they get their hands on". That's what they are.

Honestly, I am not worried about the Copacabana chicks getting over on me, just like you aren't. I just don't monger there any more because I sincerely don't think that whatever they got to offer is all that good, as per my personal mongering style.

So what I said is actually just the opposite: I only would recommend Copacabana for very experienced mongers who know what they are doing (like you). As a newbie, you can be in trouble there.

EA

The Watcher
10-15-06, 15:50
LOL Rio Bob, that shit makes me laugh when they say that. I personally experienced some of those small centro joints and I wasn't impressed. Yeah there were a couple of cuties and it's cheap, but unless you just want a quick cheap nut, thats about the only plus I see (imho). The beauty of Rio is that you have options, it never made any sense to me that guys would put down one venue over another, and make it seem that the guys who frequent those spots are morons.

To each their own. If $20r is what gets you going then so be,if you wanna spend $300r+ for places like Barbarella or Centaurus more power to you.There is something for everybody at the adult Disneyland, thats one of the things that makes it superior to other mongering spots.While its probably true that there are more likely to be more tourist suckers at places like Help, a true veteran shouldn't have any problems getting some decent poon at a decent price. It's all a matter of what you are into and most importantly enjoying yourself.

I agree with you 100% - different strokes for different folks.

Rio Bob
10-16-06, 17:06
Read again, Rio Bob: I never said that Copa scene "is just for inexperienced mongers", I said, verbatim, "Copacabana freelance GDPs are hardcore hookers who specialize in one thing and one thing only: the inexperienced tourist market". Can you deny that that's what the ideal customer profile is for a Copacabana pista chick? EA

What you are saying is true, the ideal customer for a Copa GDP is a tourist. These girls for sure have inflated prices in comparison to the places in Brasil that just cater to the Brasilian men like VM and Centro.

Brasilians have deflated salaries for the same jobs as Americans or Europeans do. These girls are looking for guys who make their money in dollars or euros not reais. Most of these girls won’t even talk to a Brasilian guy inside Help, they don’t want anything to do with them. The Brasilian guys don’t have the kind of money these girls are looking to make.

A lot of these girls come to Rio during the high season just to work in the Copa area to make these big bucks, they’re not coming to work in VM or Centro. So the draw is the big bucks from the tourists not the deflated reais from the Brasilians. Some of these girls hear stories in their home town of working the night in Help and making big bucks, amounts that most of these girls could only dream of ever making on a regular job.

If Help didn’t exist or the Copa scene didn’t exist or everybody in Rio was just willing to pay 1 real a minute for 30 minutes max then I would be willing to bet that the amount of GDP’s in Rio would be substantially less than the amount that is normally there during the high season. If everybody in Copa sat at Terraco Atlantica at night like you do and tell each girl that approached him that I no longer monger in Copa anymore that I only monger in centro and pay 1 real a minute then in no time Copa would be a ghost town. It only exists because the tourist is there to get good quality TLN at a price that is much less than they can get at home and at the same time they are having the time of their life like nobodies business.

On the other hand suppose all the mongers start moving their activity to VM or Centro and no longer buy in Copa. Well the girls will move to VM or centro, some of them and as the demand increases so will the prices, you can be sure of that and VM and centro will no longer be a place for Brasilians because they can no longer afford it, it will just be for tourists. Of course this is far fetched especially in the short term but you must admit many more guys on this board are now aware of it and interested in knowing about it and going there.

Sperto
10-16-06, 17:51
Most of these girls won’t even talk to a Brasilian guy inside Help, they don’t want anything to do with them. The Brasilian guys don’t have the kind of money these girls are looking to make.
It's not that the brazilian guys don't have enough money. It's only that they are not stupid enough to pay what the girls are asking for. It's much easier to fool a gringo. :)

Pana Nyc
10-16-06, 19:26
It's not that the brazilian guys don't have enough money. It's only that they are not stupid enough to pay what the girls are asking for. It's much easier to fool a gringo. :)
Great point Sperto, they laugh at Gringos for paying these prices for pussy, like I said before it's your money and your vacation!!!!

Bubba Boy
10-16-06, 20:35
It's not that the brazilian guys don't have enough money. It's only that they are not stupid enough to pay what the girls are asking for. It's much easier to fool a gringo. :)

Its probably a bit of both, the percentage of Brazilians that can afford gringo prices is very small compared to your average western city. Can you imagine how packed a Terma would be if it was located in NYC, the line would be so long you couldn't get in.

A lot of the clients in Termas are Brazilian. They would make up over half of the clients in the downtown termas, probably way over half in some. The percentage is less in Zona Sul Terms although the percentage is over half at Centaraus. This would suggest the Termas are reasonable value in terms of pussy and entertainment for Brazilians that actually have cash. The distinct lack of Brazilians at Help and the restaurant bars along Av Atlantica would suggest that those places are overpriced in the eyes of your average Brazilian.

Wanderer1000
10-16-06, 22:45
The distinct lack of Brazilians at Help and the restaurant bars along Av Atlantica would suggest that those places are overpriced in the eyes of your average Brazilian.

It may be that the restaurant bars and even Help are too much in the public eye/high visibility for any professional guys with money. Walking in and out of a Copa terma carries more discretion. If the city where I live and work had a scene like Rio, I don't think I'd be hanging out on Main Street with the *****s. I'd be concerned about co-workers, family members, etc. spotting me out, and having to deal with the repercussions.

Several expats have told me that after a few years they largely avoid the bar restaurant scene, since they have connections and contacts built from networking with friends, girlfriends of girlfriends, etc. I would assume this is largely how it is for Rio natives.

El Austriaco
10-17-06, 00:02
I think that what foreign mongers generally look for in a GDP is usually significantly different from what a Brazilian monger looks for:

1) Foreigners come to Rio mostly one or two weeks at a time, and while the individual mongering styles vary, many look for a GFE at a reasonable price (compared by what P4P costs in their home country) and possibly to hook up for a "girlfriend for rent" for the duration of their stay. Money usually isn't the issue, but time is, many don't speak any Portuguese, many are worried about exploring outside of Zona Sul. Many are into the TLN experience. They are not worried about being seen by people that know them. For them, Copacabana GDPs provide a valuable service.

2) Brazilian mongers mostly live in Rio and are more interested in doing the girls onsite rather than in a hotel. They are generally not into the TLN experience and more of the "wham bam thank you Mam" type (considering that many of them live in not-so-fancy areas and with other people, taking them home is usually not an option). They certainly are not looking for a GFE (considering they might be married or already have a GF), just a quick and inexpensive lay. Money is more of an issue than time exploring cheaper options outside of Coapacabana where, coincidentally, they are also less visible than in the usual Copacabana joints. IMHO, they are usually not very concerned about being seen by other males like coworkers, but rather by female friends or acquaintances. In short, given these characteristics, Copacabana GDPs have very little to offer to them (and the girls know that).

And those upper-class Brazilians who have enough cash to easily compete with foreign mongers certainly are not too eager to socialize with foreign johns and tend to frequent entirely different venues or approaches (with the possible exception of Centaurus, as mentioned by Bubba Boy).

IMHO, there are various elements to it: yes, Brazilian mongers generally have less money and need to spend it differently, and yes, they have access to more information about the P4P scene in Rio, not just the tourist joints, so they are penny-wiser in terms of spending it. Yes, Brazilian mongers need to keep a lower profile than foreigners and might be pickier as to where they monger. Yes, Brazilian mongers might already be set up with a wife, GF, and/or lover and just monger a bit on the side for the sake of variety, and when they do, it's more of a "hit-and-run" experience. Very different from foreign johns who have plenty of time to spend with their girl of choice wherever they want to or indulge in their "Brazilian harem at their fingertips" fantasy. All in all, very different customers with very different needs and preferences, so it should come as no surprise that these different needs and preferences are catered to by very different segments of the Rio P4P industry.

Sometimes I read reports a la "Copacabana is ground zero for the Rio P4P scene". Well, maybe for the Rio tourist P4P scene, but certainly not for Rio as a whole. But boards like this and others are full of such "tourist-centric" views. A while ago, I was trying to figure out the number of girls involved in P4P in Rio. According to a Globo Report last year, there were at least 10,000 GDPs in Rio, although pretty much everyone seems to agree (including Macunaima) that this number is way too low. Personally, extrapolating from different sources (nationwide estimates, estimates by NGOs, for example), I'd say there have to be at least 30,000 GDPs in Rio, perhaps twice as many. During the offseason in Rio, how many girls work in Copacabana, between all the different places? 500, 1000? Even assuming that during Carnaval, there are five times as many (I have been to Rio during Carnaval, and I don't think that there are that many more, maybe three times), it is clear that whatever you see in Copacabana at any time of the year is nothing more than the tip of the iceberg of Rio P4P. The most visible segment of the Rio sex scene, the tourist segment.

What I am trying to say is that, if anything, the R$ 1 per minute setup of commercial sex in Rio is certainly much more representative than what most mongers experience in Copacabana. In other words, Help and the outdoors Av. Atlantica places are the exception rather than the rule.

So my theory is, even if foreign mongers started flocking to VM and cheap centro places in droves, possibly raising prices in the long run and displacing Brazilian mongers, there would be a flurry of other places opening in a hurry that cater to Brazilians and their cash... which is significant cash, too, considering the volume of business. Money-wise, tourists just don't drive the sex industry in Rio as a whole, they are just the high-priced segment of it. More foreign tourists in Rio just don't make the Brazilians any less horny themselves :)

So I don't mind reporting on the cheap hole-in-the-wall places because this board is about exchanging information about sex with women. Whatever people do with this kind of information, whether they use it, consider it, disregard it, and so on and so forth, is entirely up to them. But it sort of amuses me that, every time we get closer to Réveillon and especially Carnaval, there is always a flurry of reports a la "Rio as a sex destination is ruined... girls now cost R$ 500!" or "Help!!! Is Help closing after all?", and I always think to myself "Well, they keep feeding the sharks, and then they complain that they are SHARKS!" That's why I think that it is important to paint a more complete and accurate picture of the Rio sex scene, for everyone's benefit, so that everyone can make a truly educated decision.

I think that this is what this guy, Misinformation, was trying to say when he wrote, "I am not even sure Help should be discussed on this board." That Help is so overreported on this and similar boards that there is really no point in writing much more about it rather than other options in Rio. I mean, if we limit ourselves to the Copa scene, what is there to be said that hasn't been conclusively addressed in the Bubba Guide, for example? There wouldn´t really be any need for a Rio 2006 Reports section at all. So I am always especially appreciative of, say, Ibiza writing his test reports about GDPs that run ads in Rio newspapers, guys taking girls from GPguia.net for test runs, people reporting from VM, or Genghis Khan sharing his high-roller life. Whether it benefits me personally or not.

Someone mentioned that perhaps, mongers are more cost-conscious now with the dollar so low. Yes and no. Sure, the drop of the buck hasn't helped at all, but to be honest, I started exploring cheaper options even back in 2004, at a time when the dollar was still at roughly R$ 2.80. I guess it's more that now, foreign mongers are spreading out a bit more beyond Copacabana and discovering other options and reporting them here.

In any case, I appreciate everyone providing detailed first-hand reports from the different venues in Rio. My mongering career sure would have been very different without all the great info and insights posted here. Thanks, guys.

EA

Full Throttle
10-17-06, 15:45
The other night was interesting. I decided to go to Luomos, since my colleague had never been to a terma. Luomos was typically great, although it had the highest ratio of guys to girls I have seen. I took Nina, who has the most unbelievable tits of any Brasilian girl I've been with. Two sizes up from D-- at least! Great kisser, BBBJ and all entrances available (and used). I'm surprised I haven't heard about her from you guys, as she is quite a unique specimen. Excellent physical shape and so well-endowed. Spent from 7PM to midnight there.

Afterwards, on the way down Atlantica to Help, some skinny beggar that hangs around on the north side of Help told me and my colleague how hungry he was. So, my benevolant friend pulled out his money to give him a couple of reals. Of course, the beggar grabbed all of the bills in his hand, and made a run for it. My buddy, 6'1" and a blackbelt in karate, was in the process of chasing him down when the guy stopped and froze. When I caught up, I found him lying flat on the pavement with a plain-clothes vigilante pointing a Colt 357 at his head. Turns out the vigiliante was an undercover tourist policeman.

So, then the fun began. The perp threw the money on to the street. I counted 135R. The policeman picked it up to hold as evidence. The two of us, the cop, four other cops and the beggar then went to the tourist police station in Impanema or Leblon, I'm not sure. Two hours later, all the reports were completed, the beggar went to jail, and my colleague got his 35R back.

You didn't misread, the cop decided to keep 100R for himself. Just when I was about to applaud the
police department, he did that. The irony is that we would have been better off had the cop not been there, because my buddy was about 3' from the guy when the cop showed up, and getting the money back would have been simple. Oh, well.

By the way, I had just told my colleague that I never give money to beggars, mainly because I don't want them seeing where I keep my money.

So, this all happened just on the other side of the Help, so I've never gotten so close without going there!

I snuck pictures of the cop and the perp, by the way, although I'm not sure which is which.

Bubba Boy
10-17-06, 20:05
Why would an off duty tourist cop be walking next to Help with his gun? Possibly was doing a bit of over time, ie waiting for something to happen and grabbing a few extra bucks.

Lúomo rocks, anyone done Bruna lately? Real new girl and it shows, she can be best described as being built like a line backer but much cuter ;-)

Mangera
10-17-06, 21:03
Luomos is my favorite terma, and I will be in Rio again within 4 weeks. In recent posts, I have gathered that there is some new talent thats worth taking for a spin.

As for others that I have met in the past, I wonder if Ingrid, morena with an outstanding body (big tattoo on her back), or Isabella, another morena with an awsome ass( big tattoo on her thigh), are still working there? Can any of the Rio natives give their input? Thanks! Laters!

El Austriaco
10-17-06, 21:21
The policeman picked it up to hold as evidence. The two of us, the cop, four other cops and the beggar then went to the tourist police station in Ipanema or Leblon, I'm not sure.
It's in Leblon:

DEAT - Delegacia Especial de Atendimento ao Turista
(Special Police Service for Tourist Affairs)
Address: Av. Afrânio de Mello Franco, s/nº - Leblon
22430-060 Rio de Janeiro - Brasil
Tel.: (21) 2511-5112 / 2511-5767
Fax: (21) 2294-1992

Just across the street from Scala, if I remember correctly.

EA

Full Throttle
10-17-06, 22:01
Why would an off duty tourist cop be walking next to Help with his gun? Possibly was doing a bit of over time, ie waiting for something to happen and grabbing a few extra bucks.

Lúomo rocks, anyone done Bruna lately? Real new girl and it shows, she can be best described as being built like a line backer but much cuter ;-)

The cop was very much on duty. He was in plain clothes, but was wearing a vest.

Bubba Boy
10-17-06, 22:22
Ingrid is very much still at Lúomo as she has been for the last 2 years that I know of, she is so cool. I don't know Isabella, a tatto on the thigh doesn't necessarily narrow it down much.

FT, ok on duty, but still a BASTARD!

Bravo
10-18-06, 01:47
Full throttle, that police officer might have saved your friend's life. You would be shocked to know how many street bums, crooks and robbers carry guns. You might think all your buddy had to do was catch him, throw a headlock on him and take his money back. But in reality, that beggar could have had a gun on him!!

A couple of years ago, a brasilian I knew, was killed by a 10 year old kid who snatched a woman's purse. The brasilian chased him down and just as he grabbed him, the little kid pulled out a piece and blew him away!!

Next time just tell your buddy to let the money go and learn from the experience. 135R is not worth losing your life over!!!

Bubba Boy
10-18-06, 13:55
I disagree with your comments to always run. Your average street kid/teen doesn't carry anything and is no match for a angry monger. The judgement should be made on your own ability, experience, and risk profile. I personally will not hand over anything unless I see a knife or gun. Maybe one day i will get in deeper than I should but that is my way to live.

Sperto
10-18-06, 14:48
If they point a gun to me I would definitely handover my money. If they are several unarmed bandits I would run. A single unarmed bandit, kick him on his balls and then run. :)

Luckily the last 16 years I only got robbed once in Brazil. Bus in the interior, nighttime, bandits with shotguns and revolvers. :(

I think everybody I met in Rio got robbed at least once, except me. Not even an attempt. Why? I've no idea. It's not that I avoid bad neighbourhoods. Maybe I just look to poor to waste any effort. :)

Cunnilinguist
10-18-06, 19:27
I disagree with your comments to always run. Your average street kid/teen doesn't carry anything and is no match for a angry monger. The judgement should be made on your own ability, experience, and risk profile. I personally will not hand over anything unless I see a knife or gun. Maybe one day i will get in deeper than I should but that is my way to live.I have to agree 1,000% with Bubba Boy on this matter, depending on your own abilities and if you can, a person should always fight (to defend one’s self and property) before running. When people run all they do is set themselves up to be victimized another day.

I believe that is one of two reasons (The first is, of course; this is where the money is.) why tourists in Copa (and other areas in Rio) get attacked so often, most of the predators know that most tourist won’t resist them in a mugging.

When a monger chooses to run instead of standing up and fight, it puts the entire mongering community at risk.

The CunningLinguist

Full Throttle
10-18-06, 20:34
Full throttle, that police officer might have saved your friend's life. You would be shocked to know how many street bums, crooks and robbers carry guns...

Just for clarity, in this case, the robber was a very hungry, poor, young fellow who had nothing on his person-- no ID, no other money, and no weopon. Also, what was disappointing was how the evolution of my feelings went from admiration for the department for making an effort to control tourist crime to disappointment that he/they would so brazenly withold the victim's money.

I like my colleague very much. He is one of the nicest guys I have worked with and I enjoyed his social companionship. That said, pulling out a wad of bills at night, within arm's reach of a very poor, hungry soul who likely got that way through misuse of alcohol and drugs was inexcusable. That's like baiting your teenager to lie or deceive through some contrived test and punishing them when they are overwhelmed by hormonal urges.

That said, it is even more inexcusable for an officer of the law-- a tourist policeman no less-- to pad his income that way.

Ee2002
10-19-06, 00:57
Luomos is my favorite terma, and I will be in Rio again within 4 weeks. In recent posts, I have gathered that there is some new talent thats worth taking for a spin.

As for others that I have met in the past, I wonder if Ingrid, morena with an outstanding body (big tattoo on her back), or Isabella, another morena with an awsome ass( big tattoo on her thigh), are still working there? Can any of the Rio natives give their input? Thanks! Laters!

I think I know this Isabella you are talking about. She had a nice built ass/legs with the tattoo on her thigh. I did her a year ago and I last saw her at Luomos either July or Aug. That chick was built like a tank and was a good hit too,lol.

Mangera
10-19-06, 01:44
Sounds like the same girl (Isabella). The big tattoo on her outter thigh is a colored tattoo. I first met her back in November of last year, then again in July. Happens to be that she took quite a liking to me, cause she came over to my apartment the next afternoon, for a long horizontal workout, no strings attached, no pay.

Then in July, she wanted me to wait for her to get outta work, so I could meet her roommate at a club where she was celebrating her(roommate) birthday. Isabella's intentions were for me to meet her roommate, and hopefully have some chemistry between us, so that we could have a threesome. Got to love Rio.

It never developed, because I was exausted from shooting three loads within less than a 2 hr period. My soldier had called it a day, plus I had to meet a good friend for an early breakfast the next day. My friend was leaving back to his country on that morning. But the bottom line is that she is a partier, and a wildcat in bed. If there is one thing that was a bit of a turn off, is that she is speaking alot of english, a hell of alot more, and that just took away one of the qualities that I enjoy most from Brasileras, in particular cariocas. I just enjoy the way they speak.

So there I am frustrated, trying to practice and improve my portuguese, and she only wants to chat in english. Oh well, it will be interesting when I get back in November, and I walk into Luomos, and both Ingrid and Isabella are there staring at me. Gonna have to pick one? Not really, I am in Rio baby, I am taking both, lol. I will let you know what ends up happenning when I get back to Rio. Laters!

Latina Filler
10-19-06, 04:26
I think I know this Isabella you are talking about. She had a nice built ass/legs with the tattoo on her thigh. I did her a year ago and I last saw her at Luomos either July or Aug. That chick was built like a tank and was a good hit too,lol.What type of girls are at luomos

Ee2002
10-19-06, 05:30
Ingrid introduced her to me a couple of months ago, not knowing that I tagged her a year ago,lol. I will be there in Nov too, but since I will be there for 2-3 weeks, I probably won't set foot in Luomos unless I have to (gonna stick with centro).Take care bro, maybe I will see ya in the promise land,lol.

Brugal8
10-19-06, 17:54
2 things fellow mongers:

First:

I've noticed that in rio de janeiro there ara a loooooooottttttttt of other places that don't have enough or any information on the forum.

I'm going to try to put up a list of those places and give the fellow mongers more mongering options.


Second:

Soraya, girl that use to work at monte carlo and has pics in the photo gallery, is now a porn star.

She appears in the latest big bubble butt brazilian orgy, tihis one is #7.

What an ass, she has a section on a brazilian forum and she says she still works as a garota de programa.

That's all for now mongers.

Peace.

Member #4156
10-19-06, 22:26
Second:

Soraya, girl that use to work at monte carlo and has pics in the photo gallery, is now a porn star.

She appears in the latest big bubble butt brazilian orgy, tihis one is #7.

What an ass, she has a section on a brazilian forum and she says she still works as a garota de programa.

That's all for now mongers.

Peace.
I'm glad I got a chance to tap that azz before she blew up!

BootyTapper
10-19-06, 22:54
I'm glad I got a chance to tap that azz before she blew up!

Keldeson, you right boy. You got it before she blew up, lucky you. Now I know it will cost more to tap that now, but I still will.

Bravo
10-20-06, 01:53
Keldeson, you right boy. You got it before she blew up, lucky you. Now I know it will cost more to tap that now, but I still will.


Not really, I ht it 2 weeks ago and it only cost me 200R. But I knew her before she did the film, so maybe I got a special rate.

Pipe Layer99
10-20-06, 06:03
I have a question for those of you that have been to Rio in June and also in high season (Dec - Feb). What is a better time for hot looking women?

A response from the 'experts' ;-) would be appreciated.

Reason I'm asking - I was there this past June. While in Rio, I met a few guys (on separate occasions) who told me the girls outside MP and terraco atlantico were the 'bottom of the barrel'. They told me if I came in the Rio Summer I would see much hotter women and I was not getting the full effect.

We talked about the 8's and 9's we saw around us to get a perespective on what a 8 and a 9 is to us. Once we agreed on a few women, they told me those same women would drop to a 6 compared to the honeys that come out in the summer. So for those of you who have been there in June and also in High Season whats your take?

DD

The Watcher
10-20-06, 16:04
I have a question for those of you that have been to Rio in June and also in high season (Dec - Feb). What is a better time for hot looking women?DD

They call it high season for a reason - the number of beautiful women is high, the temperature is high, the cost is high, the number of mongers is high, etc.

Accordingly, the answer to your question is that high season is without a doubt the best time to find numerous hot looking women.

I would add that beautiful women are there in June too but you just have to look a little harder because there are less women than in high season.

BootyTapper
10-20-06, 17:01
Not really, I ht it 2 weeks ago and it only cost me 200R. But I knew her before she did the film, so maybe I got a special rate.

That rate sounds good to me and you may have gotten a deal. She will be on my hit list when I get back down to Rio.

Rio Bob
10-20-06, 20:16
I have a question for those of you that have been to Rio in June and also in high season (Dec - Feb). What is a better time for hot looking women?

A response from the 'experts' ;-) would be appreciated.

Reason I'm asking - I was there this past June. While in Rio, I met a few guys (on separate occasions) who told me the girls outside MP and terraco atlantico were the 'bottom of the barrel'. They told me if I came in the Rio Summer I would see much hotter women and I was not getting the full effect.

We talked about the 8's and 9's we saw around us to get a perespective on what a 8 and a 9 is to us. Once we agreed on a few women, they told me those same women would drop to a 6 compared to the honeys that come out in the summer. So for those of you who have been there in June and also in High Season whats your take?

DD

Yes there is a difference.

I was in Rio several months ago during low season, I had a great time but I know for sure there were less girls and generally the quality was not there either. I decided that for my next trip it will be the height of the season in order to avoid this.

I will tell you, prices were good during low season and I know that when I arrive for my next trip during the height prices will be higher.

Ee2002
10-20-06, 21:45
I have been there every month of the year and that is true about the high season. But the prices tend to be higher and more guys around as well. If you want more options than high season is great, but as far as bargaining power and crowds, it's not that great.

Pipe Layer99
10-20-06, 22:21
Ee2002, Rio Bob and the Watcher,

I appreciate your insight to my previous question. Thanks

The fact that there are more 'beautiful' options in high season is a definite plus. However, I prefer to have more space and not be surrounded by so many other tourist. Which means I will have to look harder and at various locations for a gem.

I had a great time in June. Even though there was a few slow afternoons and evenings where the selections were low. On those days I just hung out, had a few drinks and then hit a terma. Other days, like one particular Tuesday, there were lots of girls and lots of guys outside of MP and Help. It was like a big party. Which leads me to believe it can turn into a zoo in the summer. I couldn't believe how many people just showed up.

The thing that got me thinking was my new friends were telling me the girls are not so hot and if I come back in the summer there will be stunners from 'All over Rio'. Decisions decisions!?!

Maybe Nov and Dec won't be such a less attractive option. I can still hit the termas and go look for other gems. I only went to 4x4. I have yet to try Luomos, MC, or others in centro. Plus I haven't tried Barbarellas or Franks down the road.

Again, thanks for your opinion. This type of communication makes this board worth while. DD

El Austriaco
10-20-06, 22:55
I have a question for those of you that have been to Rio in June and also in high season (Dec - Feb). What is a better time for hot looking women?
There is quality in numbers in Rio, to a certain extent, meaning that with a whole lot more girls around, there a bound to be more hot girls. As others have mentioned also, more girls during high season also means more cash. And a lot more girls and a lot more mongers means a lot more cash.


We talked about the 8's and 9's we saw around us to get a perespective on what a 8 and a 9 is to us. Once we agreed on a few women, they told me those same women would drop to a 6 compared to the honeys that come out in the summer. So for those of you who have been there in June and also in High Season whats your take?
Even without going into the issue of what is an 8 or 9 (which is so highly subjective that it is sort of meaningless), based on what I say during high-season this year (February through April), I would not go so far as to say that offseason 8s or 9s drop to 6 during offseason. If your friends saw a lot more hot girls during offseason, where did they see them? I guess not at MP/Terraco Atlantico, because this year, it was a mixture of the old regulars (some of them quite cute) and a lot of new girls who didn't really impress me a whole lot. In other words, MP/TA was just as good (or as bad) as during offseason, just with more girls, not significantly better looks. But then again, I didn't spend all my time there (or at Balcony).

My suggestion: go during offseason (June to November) and use the BIG bucks you save on airfare, hotels, and everything else to spend more in the termas or pick higher-quality freelancers. Going during carnaval is cool for, well, carnaval and very little else, IMHO, including P4P.

But really, any time to go to Rio is good and certainly far better than any other place I know.

EA

Member #4217
10-21-06, 00:12
Yes there is a difference..O K, there is a difference in numbers, quality, and number of mongers. In the 3 years I have been traveling to Rio, I have never been to Rio during the high season before.

So, some of you pros, help me out with my budget planning.


I will tell you, prices were good during low season and I know that when I arrive for my next trip during the height prices will be higher.Will the influx affect the prices in Centro? If so, how dramatically?

If I normally pay R150 TLN, which is my normal price and what I am looking for, what will I pay during high season? Are we looking at R150 to R200; R200 to R250 ... or are we looking at R150 to R250 or even R300?

And, if anyone knows any companies looking for a good mainframe computer programmer who wants a job in Brazil, or a web site to post my resume, tip me off.

Tom

Pipe Layer99
10-21-06, 01:31
Thanks for the input EA.

Actually what I mentioned was - my new found friends told me they saw better looking women in the summer months (compared to the average ones we saw in June). We generally agreed to whats hot and whats average.

Natirally, there were some babes in June, but a lot of average looking ones as well. I did manage to find some hotties at 4x4, and one outside at TA. But I can't help thinking - what kind of beauties will there be in the summer?

I imagine seeing some fine A$$ hotties running around and me flippping a coin to choose. After my 5th day in Rio, I started getting pretty picky. Mainly because I had such a great time with Josie at 4x4. She had a GREAT attitude, beautiful smile, body was a 9, her complete service with 2 pops was a 10. So I started comparing the others to her. What can I say, she did a great job.

I do agree with you - anytime is a good time to go, and the money saved offseason can be spent with more exploring.

DE

Kent747
10-21-06, 02:44
Enjoy:

http://www.geocities.com/robertunderground/bwanarioguide.pdf

Lorenzo
10-21-06, 04:47
My suggestion: go during offseason (June to November) and use the BIG bucks you save on airfare, hotels, and everything else to spend more in the termas or pick higher-quality freelancers. Going during carnaval is cool for, well, carnaval and very little else, IMHO, including P4P.

But really, any time to go to Rio is good and certainly far better than any other place I know.

EA
You are absolutely right, EA. You echo my sentiments exactly.

Kid Cisco
10-21-06, 13:07
Going to Rio in high season or for Carnval been there done that MANY of times over the years and after paying so much for the room and the high cost for the "pros", taxi's etc. I rather go in the off season I am not into being around a lot of people.

But, I know lots of guys from New York and for some reason they always laugh when I go down in the off season they feel its a waste to go in the off season to Rio, they feel you aren't getting a chance to see the top working girls etc. and they don't want to miss out on all the action I guess they are so use to being around lots of people lol

But, the bottom to me is to each his own you know what you like and what you enjoy doing and I will say a person should go down for Carnval at least once and see if you like it and some guys I know that been going down in the off seasons NOW they DON'T go to Rio unless its Carnval lol

Kid Cisco

Bubba Boy
10-21-06, 16:54
The thing I like about low season is less guys around means more attention from my regulars. It is quite common to hang at lúomo with the place virtually empty of guys, most nights at some point there will only be up to 10 other guys and these might just be drinkers. That means the girls are more likely to just hang out and drink not expecting you to take them to a cabine. I have a couple of girls that just hang with me even though I have never taken them to a cabine and probably never will, I don't mean I kiss and fondle these girls, I just hang, they like the company to I guess. In the high season i don't want to hang with my favourites for 2 or 3 hours because I know that is there time to make cash.

Rio Bob
10-21-06, 23:58
O K, there is a difference in numbers, quality, and number of mongers. In the 3 years I have been traveling to Rio, I have never been to Rio during the high season before.

So, some of you pros, help me out with my budget planning.

Will the influx affect the prices in Centro? If so, how dramatically?

If I normally pay R150 TLN, which is my normal price and what I am looking for, what will I pay during high season? Are we looking at R150 to R200; R200 to R250 ... or are we looking at R150 to R250 or even R300?

And, if anyone knows any companies looking for a good mainframe computer programmer who wants a job in Brazil, or a web site to post my resume, tip me off.

Tom

Tom, actually this subject was just discussed several weeks ago pretty much in length on this thread.

For me one of the things I like about high season Dec - March is because it is summer and the beach is packed with Brasilian lovelies. As opposed to off season even if the weather is nice, it's hard to get a crowd assembled. Just look at my recent picture in the photo thread of Ho beach, it was a nice day but the beach was empty. In the summer on a nice day both weekday or weekend you can get a crowd on both Copa or Ipanema of tourists from all over the world and locals it's really great.

Will the influx affect the prices in centro? Well I don't know much about centro it's not my cup of tea but my opinion is NO because it seems to be more of a local scene and that doesn't fluctuate much and neither will the girls there as I would imagine they are local girls too, I can't imagine that girls would come back from Europe to work in VM or centro or girls would come from other parts of Brasil just to work in another local brothel when they can probably get 1 real a minute back home. Girls are coming to Rio to make a score not work in Rio's low end brothels.

What will you pay for TLN high season? From waht I can see with your looks and personality anything you want.

Ezinho
10-22-06, 00:55
Will the influx affect the prices in centro? Well I don't know much about centro it's not my cup of tea but my opinion is NO because it seems to be more of a local scene and that doesn't fluctuate much and neither will the girls there as I would imagine they are local girls too, I can't imagine that girls would come back from Europe to work in VM or centro or girls would come from other parts of Brasil just to work in another local brothel when they can probably get 1 real a minute back home. Girls are coming to Rio to make a score not work in Rio's low end brothels.
Well, with a couple exceptions, the influx will not affect prices because the prices are fixed in Centro; there's no haggling like at Help or MP (or whatever it's called now). Whatever the price is on the wall, that is what you will pay.

As far as the girls working in Centro being local, maybe some are, but you'd be suprised how many out-of-towners work those R1 per 1 min places. It seemed like there were quite a few girls from the Northeast working in those places. I know R1 a minute doesn't seem like a lot of money to all of us on here, but for an impovershed girl from the NE, it is. I think it's safer to assume that the street-smarter girls work the Copa scene, while the less experienced girls work the Centro scene, but I don't think you can assume that only local girls work in Centro.

Speaking of Centro girls, me and a Brasilian buddy of mine were in Termas 502 one time, and after chatting with some of the girls in there, we noticed that many of them, like Rio Bob mentioned, were from Rio, but from Zona Norte, areas like Penha and Abolição for example. My friend mentioned that these girls didn't speak Portuguese very well, kind of uneducated, etc. I then explained to him that we have people like that in America, called Trailer Trash. He though that was hillarious, and from then on every time we went to places in Centro, like 502 or Florida Bar, we would refer to the girls as Zona Norte trailer trash. Kinda mean, I know, but some of the best fucks I had in Rio were from "ZNTT" girls. Dirt cheap too, lol!

Mangera
10-22-06, 01:33
I do not have the time and experience put in as other qualified members of this forum, but I think I have just enough that I can contribute a couple of thoughts on this topic. They both ( seasons ) have their pluses and minuses. There is always quantity in Rio, obviously more in Dec. - March, but there are plenty during anytime of the year. As for quality, its always there during the whole year, you just might have to look a bit harder, and have more patience during the low season, but its there.
I for one, don't like large crowds, and hectic places or events. So I am one happy camper during low season. But I have been to Rio during high season, and had a wonderful time too.

Over time, I have changed my priorities when spending time with the ladies ( pro and non-pro), in particular, the quality of service or time that we spend together as opposed to just banging a girl cause she looks like a 10
( whatever your definition of a 10 maybe). In other words, I value a 6 or 7 like an 8 or a 9 because of the quality ( intense sexual moments and/or fun girl to hangout with). So all of the concern about going to Rio when there are the most bonita and outrageous looking babes, is really a non factor for me.

This does not mean that I do not try to find a wonderful combination of looks that turn me on as well as a garota that I have great chemistry with in and out of bed. This is the reason I think Brasil is the best place in the world, because it is one of the few places in the world that one can find that combination of great looks and great service. It is exist in other countries, but very few in numbers in camparison to the brasileras.

So again, anytime of the year is fine with me. In my mind, quality is always there all year round. I will be in Rio in 3 weeks, and I already know a few ladies from previous visits that are top quality, and will be waiting for me with open legs, excuse me, I mean't open arms. Do I really care how November will effect my ability to find another new gem, not really. I know for sure, with my eyes closed, there will be plenty to choose from, and thats what keeps me comming back.

By the way, I like to do it all, meaning meeting regular garotas, escorts, Termas, and Centro. There all fun for me, and like everything else, its all trial and error, no matter what time of the year. Be patient, and you will have fun.

DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY! LATERS!

Sperto
10-22-06, 01:45
Enjoy:
http://www.geocities.com/robertunderground/bwanarioguide.pdf
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:RHS_Px1rY58J:www.geocities.com/robertunderground/bwanarioguide.pdf+bwanarioguide&hl=sv&gl=se&ct=clnk&cd=1

Sperto
10-22-06, 02:01
Girls are coming to Rio to make a score not work in Rio's low end brothels.
Actually it's the very opposite. Most of these low-end girls are not originally from Rio. The majority are from the North-East. Just like the majority living in Zona Norte and the favelas in Rio and São Paulo.

Ezinho, your zonanortetrailertrash is very hot!

Rio Bob
10-22-06, 05:48
Actually it's the very opposite. Most of these low-end girls are not originally from Rio. The majority are from the North-East. Just like the majority living in Zona Norte and the favelas in Rio and São Paulo.

Ezinho, your zonanortetrailertrash is very hot!

yeah, thanks for the info, Im glad this brought out the picture of his ZNTT, she looks very inviting.

TheKnight
10-22-06, 19:43
Hey guys, when planning my first trip anywhere this is my first port of call - a fantastic forum where we all help each other.

Most places you have a few threads with a few reports, and the search option helps with something specific.

With my first trip to Rio soon, what I'm looking for, and cannot find (despite repeatedly RTFF!), is a monger's map of Rio. There are some great ones on the Argentina private site for Buenos Aires, but I'm struggling to place all the clubs in RDJ at the moment, and where's best to stay etc. Anyone post a link please?

Many thanks for any help (+ thx already Bob)
Knight

Pierre Desire
10-23-06, 14:07
I found this forum recently on the Internet and having read a few of your posts, decided to give my own views on mongering in Brazil.

First of all, I have carried out 3 trips to Rio. In my second one I contracted HIV. I'm quite sure that this was not due to bareback sex (although I do enjoy it occasionally). I was having sex with some hooker and the condom ripped in the middle of the session. No more risky situations ensued but 3 months later I took the test which would ruin my life.

I thought I would never monger again. But one's sex drive sometimes drives one to stupid things, and off I went to Rio again the next year (2006). While I did try to do it covered most of the times, there were times in which I just couldn't resist and did it bareback. Mostly Help girls and lower end brothels, but I had a few Termas girls like this as well. Yes, I know it was reckless but when you're in my situation and bareback sex feels so good during the moment one doesn't think.

So guys, always take the test when returning home. Not only for HIV but for Hepatitis and all the other shit, it's all there. Seriously, always play safe and be careful that's my advice to you, don't ruin your lives because of some worthless third world prostitutes.

Incidentally, Rio wasn't the best mongering location despite all the apparent hype here. In my last trip, I felt I was fucking rubber dolls a lot of the time, including with termas girls, and the prices just aren't as cheap as they used to be.

BA had some more class, but also not what I would recommend. China is currently the best mongering destination, even better than Thailand in my opinion.

Just my 50 cents.

Again, play it safe and don't fuck up your life unnecessarily.

Pierre Desire

Mangera
10-23-06, 17:25
So you are are preaching to have safe sex, because of your experiences and decision making. Yet, after HIV you continue to have bareback sex. And you are preaching what? I almost blew a gasket when reading your post. Brother, you have got to be kidding me. I always practice safe sex because of people like you. When I write people like you, I am not refering to the HIV, but the cause of your HIV. The cause being your way of thinking, and your decision making.

You have the balls to tell people to becareful while you continue to be reckless. Great freaken attitude! Do you think its fair to bang those girls without them having a hint that you are HIV positve. Again, you have the balls to come on this forum, and inform people that could potentially have sex with one of those same garotas, that you have had bareback with them? And you continue to have bareback sex with them.

You say your sex drive makes you do stupid things. Let me tell you something, there is a variable that seperates us from other living things in the animal kingdom, its called common sense pal! Ever hear of it? Believe it or not, it can be your best friend.

I also have some other advice for you, make something out of your life while you still have one. Do something that will contributes in a positive way to mankind. "Do as you say", please have safe sex. I can go on with this, but I am sure others are going to flame you, so I will leave it at that. Laters!

The Corn Hole
10-23-06, 18:33
The report below by Pierre doesn't have a grain of truth to it. I would suggest not giving in depth responses to it as it just wastes more bandwith and people's time reading it. If he caught it through an accidental broken condom it would be the first time in history.

And please, China being the numero uno mongering destination (even in Asia) is a big freaking joke. Ask all the expats living there if they think the world of it. Almost all would pick Thailand over China in a second if given the choice.

El Austriaco
10-23-06, 18:39
Seriously, always play safe and be careful that's my advice to you, don't ruin your lives because of some worthless third world prostitutes.
According to your own story, you covered it up, but the condom broke. Well, shit happens. How exactly do you suggest to "play it safe", then? I also firmly object to the statement "worthless third-world prostitute". Yes, they may be third world, yes, they are prostitutes, but what exactly makes you feel so superior to call other people worthless?


But one's sex drive sometimes drives one to stupid things, and off I went to Rio again the next year (2006). While I did try to do it covered most of the times, there were times in which I just couldn't resist and did it bareback. Mostly Help girls and lower end brothels, but I had a few Termas girls like this as well. Yes, I know it was reckless but when you're in my situation and bareback sex feels so good during the moment one doesn't think.
So you know you are HIV positive, but you not only continue to risk exposing other people (since condoms might just break), but you also continue to go bareback sometimes? You sure go to great lengths about not only calling other people worthless, but treating them as mere disposable trash.


BA had some more class, but also not what I would recommend. China is currently the best mongering destination, even better than Thailand in my opinion.
Exactly how are BA chicks "classier" or Chinese hookers less worthless, in your eyes?

Never mind. IMHO, this is entirely unsubstantiated drivel, and I am appalled to see this even being suggested for report of distinctions. What is the message here, if any? Can somebody spell troll in capital letters?

And if you are actually real, Pierre (which I sort of doubt), just make sure not to spread yourself too thick in this world. No more trips to BA, China, RdJ, or Thailand (if you've actually ever been there). Stay put wherever you are. That's my advice to you.

EA (shaking his head in utter disbelief)

Bubba Boy
10-23-06, 18:55
As a general rule of thumb people with a post count of 1 are generally not to be taken seriously until they build up their post numbers with decent quality posts. I know everybody has to start some where, but posts that state what the poster stated below, with a zero post count have zero credibility and are t be ignored.

Member #4217
10-23-06, 19:30
So guys, always take the test when returning home.

....don't ruin your lives because of some worthless third world prostitutes.Recently another member of this board mentioned that there was a rumor that a GDP that I knew was HIV+. I went to my doctor and got a complete physical, including an HIV test. I am happy to say that I am clean! I will still try to get my friendly GDP to do a test in Rio. I will pay for it. Inquiring minds wanna know!

In discussing this with my doctor, he mentioned that it is extremely rare for a male to get HIV from a female from normal vaginal sex. It usually happens to the female. Has to do with the exchange of body fluids. A man is susceptible only if he has open cuts on his penis.

In short, the broken condom theory might explain a GDP getting HIV, but not the male! Get educated!


Incidentally, Rio wasn't the best mongering location despite all the apparent hype here. In my last trip, I felt I was fucking rubber dolls a lot of the time, including with termas girls, and the prices just aren't as cheap as they used to be.Wrong! I have traveled all over, including the far east! Rio is a place of its own!

If you felt like the sex was not so good, maybe it was due to your attitude with the girls! Frankly, if I were a GDP, with your attitude, you would be the last man in HELP, and I would be very hungry before I would take you! And, if I did, you would feel like your rubber ducky was with a rubber dolly!

As for the prices, it is still up to your negotiating skills, and charm, which you have already told us you do not have!


China is currently the best mongering destination, even better than Thailand in my opinion.This alone tells us that you live your mongering life on the internet! Got a strong right hand, do ya?

IMHO,

Tom

Sperto
10-23-06, 20:13
Propably just a fake report.
I don't think any normal human being would be so irresponsible spreading his virus to innocent people and then go publishing it like this.
If it's not fake he just got what he deserved.

Gladiator
10-24-06, 00:07
Posts like this idiot’s crop up from time to time, they are just one more form of spam, there have been several examples in the past and there will be more in the future; needless to say that this sort of messages always come from ghost members – surprisingly, Jackson instead of deleting it even recommends it as a report of distinction.

Zorglub
10-24-06, 01:41
Pierre is just a frustrated girl that hates mongers like us.