2006 Rio de Janeiro Reports [Archive] - Page 9

Full Throttle

10-24-06, 15:38

We had a rather rare event—two consecutive weekdays to explore downtown when neither Ibiza nor I had any previous commitments. Actually, I did, but forgot about it which is as good as not having it at all, I suppose.

The day started out in typical fashion, with a beer at the Havana bar next to the hopelessly-closed Meia Petaca (if they’re remodeling it, they’re doing it at night and they seem to be making negative progress). Feeling like big spenders and since there were three of us, we splurged for a taxi ride to Centro, arriving around 4:30PM.

First stop, Rio Branco 156. This is a 33-story building populated with a variety of small business offices, ranging from professional to retail to… well, you know. We reviewed the options over a choppe on the 1st floor. Scouring through the Brazilian board, six addresses were identified in that building alone. So, we started at the top:

3320: A very nice facility. 6 girls and 4 rooms. Mariana and Mel were both pretty and Thais was cute in a juvenile-sort of way. More on her later.

2328: Closed too early.

2240: I just can’t remember.
1833: 4 girls and three rooms. Nivia was cute and fun. More on her later, too.
1825: Handful of girls, mostly cute. Receptionist is hot, but is married and only does massage.
1706: Ditto. Ibiza found his favorite choice, here. A very tall blond who apparently had only been working in the business for a month. Said she was “very good, no complaints.”

All of these places charge approximately 65R/30 min., 80R/60 min. All close between 6 and 8. All were fairly clean with a facilities nod to the 3320 address. The OLDEST girl I saw anywhere looked to be 27 and the average was more like 22.

Stopping at each address is not ordinary or a particularly good practice. Our excuse was that most places did not have 3 vacant cabins at the time of our arrival. Since we ran into several girls Ibiza knew biblically but none who were in the same address as before, there really is no discernible difference between these places in terms of service. It all depends on the girl and your rapport. So, pick one and if you find a girl to your liking, just stay!

After our research, we each went to our individual choices. I chose Thais from 3320. She’s 20 years old and could pass for several years younger (let’s say 18 for the sake of all things legal and acceptable). She wore cute little braces on her front teeth. I don’t know exactly how short she is, but I can tell you that, during the introduction, she removed her shoes and leapt onto the bed which put her at eye level.

It was a sweet and fun session. CBJ, but very enthusiastic. Despite her small, tight frame, she had beautiful B-/C+ sized and perfectly shaped cups. She had a tremendous knack for incorporating girl (18-year old girl) next door giddiness with some overt sexual enthusiasm. Knowing the night was young, I avoiding bursting several times, accomplishing a kuma-sutra session for only the 3rd time in 50+ attempts.

By the time we all mustered below, it was after 8PM. Time to march to Aquarius, which is a robeless terma on the corner of Acre and R. Miguel Cuoto. Rather than a locker key, you receive a piece of paper that is your drink order form. Don’t lose it, as the fine is 200R. It instantly became the most valuable possession on my person.

Entrance is 10R and doesn’t seem to include any drinks. There is a relax area on the street level with a co-ed shower/bathroom and, maybe, sauna. On the second floor, there is a boite. The music is good but a bit loud, there is a stage with a familiar pole, seating around the periphery and at the bar. In my opinion, the girls were incredible. Of the 20+ girls, 19 had bodies ranging from rock-hard to well-proportioned. I easily would have been satisfied with the company of 2/3rds of the girls, a higher ratio than I’ve ever encountered at 4X4 and on a par with the big Copa termas.

A hot little blond Ibiza had been with before (a very common occurrence it seems) joined him. An absolutely adorable 22-year old blond beauty sat with me. She had the softest hair and the cutest, most feminine body. Small tits, but that’s not a deal-breaker for me, and she forced me to play with them while seated.

Around 9:30PM, the lights lowered and the music got even louder. Presently, one of the girls hopped onto the stage and began a very nice striptease to completion. When she was done, another went up. Then another and another and another. Finally, two girls went up together. They did some pseudo-lesbian stuff, then brought a couple of guys up from the audience. The both tried to give some free CBJ’s, but the guys were not “up” for the public-pubic attention. We scolded the girls in the bathroom for their poor choice in volunteers and expressed to them our guarantee that we would only enhance future shows should they choose us. I left a resume.

Remember my adorable, sweet, cute, soft-blond who I loved so dearly? Well, she had bad breath. I couldn’t seem to get past it and I couldn’t figure out how to fix it. So, we left. Had we stayed, the full hour with a girl is 135 on-site, all-in. Add 10R entrada and a couple of beers, and you’re looking at 155R total for the fun and a full-hour session. What is that, exactly half the price of MC or Luomos?

The street in front is lovely. It was dark, full of homeless people, and void of any police presence. We walked from there to Lazer 502 safely, however, as the perps were so surprised we were there they forgot to mug us. Plus, they may have read in the paper that anybody who messes with me ends up behind bars (thanks for the article, Sunset).

Lazer 502 is similar, although I didn’t see any relax area. And, based on our experience with the girls there, no relaxing is allowed. The boite is up a flight of steps. You are committed to 10R consumption when you come in, but there is no entrance fee otherwise. Beers are 4R or so.

There were more like 50 girls here. I would say the quality is a tiny notch down from Aquarius, but on par with 4X4. Some may disagree, but they are wrong. What noone could disagree on is the quality of service we all enjoyed.

Ibiza went first, as usual. After the statute of limitations expired on his offer for us to go with a girl he decided would be good, off Ibiza went for a 30 minute session. He returned in 90. It turns out he quickly realized that a half-hour would not do this girl justice. Then, the front desk forgot about them, so he stayed the additional 30. And, as hard as he worked, she couldn’t get enough.

I have to admit that I didn’t do so well in the bar. I take some pride in how well I typically get on with working girls around the world. It seems we have a lot in common, and the social time is usually very pleasant. I think I could sell them encyclopedias were circumstances different. In this case, I couldn’t seem to gain any traction with the girls. It may have had something to do with a big girl being mad at me for not wanting to hang with her. It could be because I look a little gringo-ish and this is NOT a gringo-ish place. It may have been the girls breath from the old place transferred to me. It could even have been my sporadic coughing as I continue to fight the cold from hell. Or, it could just be that they didn’t like me. Whatever the case, I was essentially alone when Ibiza came back with the biggest smile I have ever seen on him. “Top 3 experiences…” and then some unintelligible gibberish. That puts her in the top 1% and math doesn’t lie. Problem was, she didn’t like me, either. But, she DID like our third partner. So, I did the next best thing—I “agreed” with her idea of sessioning with her and her cousin. Her cousin was quite attractive. Middle-eastern look, tall, skinny, jet-black hair. She probably didn’t like me, either, but she WAS into kissing her cousin and she seemed to like my friend and didn’t mind receiving some of my money. So, off the 4 of us went to the honeymoon suite.

Holy smokes. Between one girl’s perfect English and the other’s non-existent English, the sex-talk translating from across the room and across the bed was something to behold. “My cousin asked if you could wet your finger before you stick it up her ass….” And other sweet nothings. That was him and her, by the way, I always wet my finger first….

She learned her English from cartoons as a kid, and how to fuck from porn videos. Who says there is no intrinsic value in modern media?

Anyway, from a BJ, DATY, BJ, DATY chain to swapping girls to salad-tossing, this was an amazing fricking event. And we couldn’t satisfy them. They wanted more and more and more, even when it was impossible. We used a sex chair for various activities, a Jacuzzi, a wet room, a huge bed, fingers, tongues, and anything we could find to fill every single gap, but our effort was futile. It was fantastic, but, in the end, I was humbled. I’ve got her number, and I will endeavor to try again and again. God, of all days NOT to use the enhancement that was sitting right in my pocket!

By the way, sessions at 502 are 113R/60 minutes, so your all-in cost is 123R, or 125R if you have 3 beers. The optional suite costs an additional 60R.

So, what happened to Ibiza? The usual. After impatiently waiting for us in the bar for several minutes, he just couldn’t take it anymore. Despite 3 events to completion in the previous 5 hours, he gave in to temptation from a little blond, who finished him off yet again. Four money-shots (or was it 5) without the assistance of a single drug. Amazing for such an old man!

The next day involved more explorations and another 65R day session, but who gives a shit after the night before.

So, you guys keep lining the pockets of the big termas and the Help girls. Those are Sunday-only activities from here on out for me. I had three discreet events spanning two days with 4 different girls-- all Copa terma/Help quality. Total cost was around $330R, and that includes all cover charges, beers, transportation and the upsell to the suite.

FT

Admin

10-24-06, 18:15

Greetings everyone,

I have received several complaints about Pierre Desire's report, many of them suggesting that his report is bogus and should be deleted.

Gentlemen, I agree with you that his motivations for posting his report are suspect, and it it certainly possible that he is prosthelyzing, but I don't think that his report rises to the level of requiring that I take what is to me the drastic action of deleting a forum contribution, and it also seems apparent to me that the forum membership in general has done a great job of challenging his post.

Believe me guys, if I deleted every report that somebody else objected to, then we'd have no forum.

If he posts another similar report, then we'll know that he's just prosthelyzing and I'll delete everthing he's ever posted and remove his membership.

Thanks,

Jackson

El Austriaco

10-24-06, 19:16

Here's their announcement for the Halloween weekend.

For more information (in Portuguese and sort of in English), www.2a2.com.br

EA

Lorenzo

10-24-06, 19:19

First rate post, FT! I nominated you for Posts of Distinction, or whatever it's called. I plan to try some of these lesser known Centro termas the next time I'm in Rio.

I just have one misgiving. I would feel uneasy walking around in Centro after dark, especially on some of the lesser traveled streets. I suppose Rio Branco would be safe and a taxi would eventually come along, but I'm not so sure about the side streets. I think I'd ask the termas to call a radio cab, at least to take me to the metro station, although they'd probably be pissed at such a short fare. Thanks again for your report.

Lorenzo

El Austriaco

10-24-06, 19:25

I just have one misgiving. I would feel uneasy walking around in Centro after dark, especially on some of the lesser traveled streets. I suppose Rio Branco would be safe and a taxi would eventually come along, but I'm not so sure about the side streets. I think I'd ask the termas to call a radio cab, at least to take me to the metro station, although they'd probably be pissed at such a short fare.
Many of the cheap Centro termas that I know of close relatively early during the week (around 7:30 to 8:00 PM), and maybe stay open a bit later on Friday nights (up to about 10:00 PM). Even in that case, there are TONS of people on the street partying after work (again, especially on Fridays), and I have never felt unconfortable there or walking to and from the metro. Taxis are plentiful on Rio Branco and on many other streets, yes, so no problem there.

Honestly, I feel much much more uncomfortable walking Copacabana after dark these days. Anywhere. To say nothing of the area around Help and Meia Pataca.

EA

Npaul1

10-24-06, 20:07

According to your own story, you covered it up, but the condom broke.

So you know you are HIV positive, but you not only continue to risk exposing other people (since condoms might just break), but you also continue to go bareback sometimes? I have never had a condom break, has anyone else? I have gone bare back, but only with someone I know, or in the Phillipines, where risk is very low. This sounds like a lie.

Ibiza007

10-24-06, 21:01

FT I forgot to show you there is a relax bar in Lazer 502. it is directly opposite the caixa in Lazer 502, where you go to the stairs, to go upstairs, but you go straight. It is a much quieter place to mingle with TV's and lower music levels. I will show you this next visit.

I have to admit, The blonde from 502 really put me in my place, she was kind like a boxer, sticking her chin out at me saying "is that all you got". And unfortunately, as it was the 4th bean in about 5 hours, it was, "all I had".

I asked her if she could ever rub herself into an orgasm, and she replied " I like dick". "Desculpa!, I am spent for round 2!"

She is the only girl that has ever held a candle to my favorite Christal, from carnival past.

I promise to go visit her again, she does not work Mondays, she said, it was too slow of a day. Bring the blue pill, as you will need it.

If you think your a stud, take a blue pill and book her and her cousin for two hours. I await your reports.

So, FT, the "old man" will continue to explore with his young accomplice around the wonderful sights and sounds of centro. And I now have a whole new list of things "to do" on my list for centro. Just when I think I will not find any more gems, I encounter a whole new list.

Also, the place we ate lunch was awsome, do you know the name? It was on Guanabara, near the 24 building. The filet was fantastic.

IBZ

El Austriaco

10-25-06, 00:04

I have never had a condom break, has anyone else?
I have, in Rio and other places. Both condoms I bought locally and in the States.

EA

Full Throttle

10-25-06, 04:28

Lorenzo

10-25-06, 05:42

I probably will still continue mongering (but try to give up on bareback), given that I have a time-bomb over my head and I might as well spend my money before I die.

Pierre Desire
This sentence alone makes me question the authenticity of this poster, as have many others. If he is really HIV+, he would have sought medical attention and been told that HIV is no longer the death sentence that it once was. For several years it has been widely assumed in the medical world that HIV/AIDS has morphed itself from a terminal illness into a chronic illness. The medication regimen must be handled skillfully by specialists in the illness, but if it is handled properly HIV+ individuals can live full and happy lives with few or no symptoms of illness. Just a few days ago I saw a TV interview with Andrew Sullivan, columnist for The New Republic, who said that he was diagnosed with HIV in 1990, and now, 16 years later, he had an undetectable viral count when he was tested. Sullivan does admit that he doesn't know what the future brings. Yet Pierre Desire talks as if a premature death is a foregone conclusion. This is why I think he has sought no medical consultation at all and is a complete phony.

I think we have wasted enough space on this fraud. Let's get back to mongering.

Lorenzo

Doggus

10-25-06, 08:18

Hey guys,

Can anyone advise if termas/help are closed at any point over Christmas/New Year i.e. perhaps Christmas day or New Year's eve?

Also, are the prices generally the same over this period in both termas and with the help garotas?

Many Thanks!

Pipe Layer99

10-25-06, 09:11

FT,

Your report below (#2122) had me cracking up - the way you wrote it.

Great report!

Good addition of information as well.

DD

Latitude Cruz

10-25-06, 09:42

///in discussing this with my doctor, he mentioned that it is extremely rare for a male to get hiv from a female from normal vaginal sex. it usually happens to the female. has to do with the exchange of body fluids. a man is susceptible only if he has open cuts on his penis.///

you are mostly right from what i have learned over the years. you are right that the virus needs a point of entry. you are also right that it has to do with the exchange of fluids. but remember, your lovely dance partner has her own fluids that are making all the lovely "squishy noises" for quite a while before you drop off your own gooey party favor.

based on what my medical professionals have told me, one frequently overlooked vulnerability for men is if they have another (possibly undetected) infection.

a classic case would be if the man had gonorrhea, chlamydia, trichomonas or "nsu" (non-specific urethritis). he may not notice any symptoms; but have an infection irritating his urethra.

what happens is the urethra becomes irritated and the surface becomes compromised, making one vulnerable to viral penetration at the affected area.

in this case, you do sort of have an "open cut" on your penis, but you may not be aware of it.

this is one reason health-care professionals will frequently ask if you want an hiv test if you are presenting symptom of another std. it's not just because "if you got one std, you're probably the kind of skanky man that has more." it is actually because having one can make you more susceptible to more.

aside from the more dramatic scenario described above, any of the above listed infections in the urethra can be very dangerous (to men and women) if left untreated. the results of an untreated infection can vary from infertility to debilitating groin and back pain (pelvic inflammatory disease) and can (in the most extreme cases of neglect) lead to life-threatening complications. all of the above complications tend to occur more in women as these diseases usually present themselves more obviously to men (puss oozing from your [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)-hole). be aware, even men may have no symptoms until late in the disease's progression.

ok, i'm not a doctor and frankly this is kind of a bummer.

here's my questions to anyone in brazil right now:
with the formula1 race gone from sao paulo, is it safe for a frugal monger to come visit?
have the money-laden tourists moved towards rio for a while?
have they driven the prices out of reach for the moment?
would it be best to wait another week before visiting?

ok, that’s it for me.

--- lc out ---

July Gan

10-25-06, 12:32

On my way to the F1 race in SP I managed to stopover in Rio for a couple of days during which I visited L´Uomo for a nice session with Luiza, thin morena with an interesting face which may not appeal to everybody but who performed the usual treats with gusto and "carinho".

I also dropped by at 65. The quality here was far better than at L´Uomos and infinitely better than at 4X4! Had a short session with beautiful mulatta Brenda. Perfect body, pretty face and quite decent performance only marred by premature moaning (I wish they could take acting lessons!)

Cialis in the airport pharmacy works our much more expensive than at any branch of Raia or Pacheco.

Rio´s best exchange rate for USD or € is undoubtedly with the porters at Galeao airport. You can also bargain with them a bit. Euro was offered at 2.5 at the bank in the airport, they offered 2.6 initially and settled at 2.63. On 2000€ that´s an extra "jump" at a nice terma. I understand that funding of this biz comes from the "bicheiros" (local illegal lottery barons)

The Watcher

10-25-06, 16:31

You can hang out with the TV's. Personally, I prefer the models with no penises, but I promised I would never judge...

The "por kilo" restaurant was great. I piled on a chicken filet, a chicken Parmagiana, a filet mignon, a bit of the seafood rice, a couple of sides and had a soda-- all for around $6.50 US, I believe.

See you Sunday (unless you are otherwise occupied with a TV...)

FT

You are so wrong! lol

Charm City Dave

10-25-06, 19:53

I haven't been in the forum for a while as I haven't been to Brazil for a while. I’m going to be heading down on business the end of the month and thought I’d check in. I just want to add one thought to the whole HIV and bareback thread (aren't you all thrilled).

One thought that has concerned me as I have mongered for almost 30 years is the thought of creating another fatherless abandoned child. That is something I would never want on my head. I am also dubious of Pierre’s post. Getting HIV from a GDP is unlikely though it is possible. However past all that, I am more concerned about fathering another kid. I have one I support and have raised and do not want any others. On a couple of occasions where I have busted a rubber or had it slip off, I have walked the GDP to the pharmacy, bought the morning after pills and watched her take them. One of these days I’ll get around to getting myself fixed so I no longer need to worry about it.

As for his opinion of GDPs, I still think they are among the best in the world. I’d never recommend anyone go to Brazil for it however as the place just IMOP is not safe enough (plenty of examples in the crime and safety forum). I think the risk of getting mugged/knifed/shot is higher than that of getting HIV and there is no drug cocktail that treats that. And even though odds are nothing will happen to you, having to be on guard all the time is not my idea of fun and relaxation.

I go once or twice a year on business, avoid Help and hit a Terma and or Escort a few times. If I weren’t already there on business, no way would I make the trip just to get laid.

YOPMV.

CCDAVE (formerly a yada yada yada kinda guy)

Latitude Cruz

10-25-06, 20:13

I also dropped by at 65.

I'm not familiar with "65". Can you give me some intel?

LC

Ezinho

10-27-06, 03:51

I'm not familiar with "65". Can you give me some intel?

LC
Check out the brochure I'm including with this post for some info on Termas 65, located on Rua do Rosário 65. I would describe it as 4X4's richer cousin. It's a favorite among Brasilian businessmen. The best upscale termas in Rio, IMHO. Perhaps that's why it's rarely mentioned on here...

JustGotBack

10-27-06, 05:13

Check out the brochure I'm including with this post for some info on Termas 65, located on Rua do Rosário 65. I would describe it as 4X4's richer cousin. It's a favorite among Brasilian businessmen. The best upscale termas in Rio, IMHO. Perhaps that's why it's rarely mentioned on here...

I guess I'll have to disagree. I wouldn't particularily describe it as upscale at all. I still prefer 4x4, more women and hence a better opportunnity to find the one.

Latitude Cruz

10-28-06, 06:22

Ezinho & Chingon --

Thanks for the info. Maybe JustGotBack had a different experience but then again we all have different tastes. Personally I have been dragged back to places I hated the 1st time and ended up being glad I was dragged back. Sometimes the place had a bad crowd the 1st time and sometimes I think it's my own frame of mind.

In any case, having as many options up your sleeve is key when you're hunting around and not having luck.

Besides, I look at Rio as the "Rodizio of Women". My approach is to try a little of everything, and then go back for seconds of the really delicious picanha!

LC

DFWdude

10-29-06, 15:23

Currently having a blast in Rio. Went to Help last night. WTF, all the girls were starting at around R$400-500 and would not really come down that much. The lowest was R$300. F*CK that! I did meet one girl at the balcony bar, from a far she looked kind of cute in the face, but when I got closer she was built like a line backer for the Green Bay Packers.
On my first night I had a great time at Solarium, two girls. One very cute blone with dark blue eyes. She said she is 25, but she looks about 19-20. After our session I went to chill out a bit in the sauna, and the relax room. After that I chilled in the Relax room. I then went back up to the bar and she spotted me again and started to lay claim on me by moving in and getting all cuddly with me. I wanted to try a different girl, so I politely excused myself and went to another area of the bar. She found me later with another girl and man oh man was she pissed. She first gave me the evil stare, then the two of them started arguing in Portugese. The second girl then grabbed my hand and dragged me upstairs and pretty much attacked my in the room. WOW was she agressive in bed.
This has happened to me before in Rio, at times these girls can get pretty possesive. I really dont understand that, guys are a dime a dozen in Rio, as are the women.

More on my paternaty test later, (from a trip back in January.)

Mangera

10-29-06, 16:13

Your story about the two solarium termas girls arguing over a client brings up a curious point in my mind. I wonder what are the written and/or unwritten rules about termas girls claiming a client as their own, their general thoughts on the topic.

Granted, I understand that we as the client are free to go about how many different garotas we want to be with. That is not an issue, but rather from the garotas point of view. What is it exactly that pisses termas girls off and why? Any Rio experienced forum members want to elaborate?

Member #4217

10-29-06, 16:48

Currently having a blast in Rio. Went to Help last night. WTF, all the girls were starting at around R$400-500 and would not really come down that much. The lowest was R$300. Did you pay those outragious prices? I will be back in Rio in a few days. It's about time to get the market back into a reasonable price range.

guys are a dime a dozen in Rio, as are the women. Sounds like the women are about R300 each!

Is the ratio of guys and girls kinda high right now?

And, where are the photos?

Tom

Genghis Khan

10-29-06, 17:00

Dear fellow mongers/contributors:

After a though period of cancer and chemo therapy I will be back to full health during the beginning of February. I plan to make a trip to Sao Paulo/Rio de Janeiro after this for a big party / celebration of my recovery.

Februray is not a good month for monogering in Brazil because of carneval, so I thought about going around the end of March both to be sure that the last of the chemicals are finally out of my body and because the garotas will probably be bacl from their carneval vacations then.

I would really like to spend the time with some of you fine gentelemen on this board to maybe widen my horizen with some new clubs, go to some nice restaurants or just spending some time togheter.

Let me know who is interested and I we can start planning this together.

Off Road

10-29-06, 17:09

[QUOTE=DFWdude]... Went to Help last night. all the girls were starting at around R$400-500 and would not really come down that much.

At times these girls can get pretty possesive. I really dont understand that[QUOTE]That seems really high for anywhere. I was there last month and couple of stunners were asking R$300 to go with me and my girlfriend and that was just because it was a couple deal. However my GF is brazilian and was doing the talking.

AT TIMES they get possive? I think it is always.. you are their meal ticket and if they can lay claim to you, they will. You did the right thing, unless you are actually looking for a longer term deal.

Good info though for everyone.

El Austriaco

10-29-06, 18:05

I wanted to try a different girl, so I politely excused myself and went to another area of the bar. She found me later with another girl and man oh man was she pissed. She first gave me the evil stare, then the two of them started arguing in Portugese. The second girl then grabbed my hand and dragged me upstairs and pretty much attacked my in the room. WOW was she agressive in bed.
This has happened to me before in Rio, at times these girls can get pretty possesive. I really dont understand that, guys are a dime a dozen in Rio, as are the women.
If guys are a dime a dozen, girls are less than a cent in Rio. Especially this time of the year.

The way I see it, it's easy. As a guy (whether at MP, Help, or at Termas) paying the rates you are paying, you are a prized commodity, and considering that there are many guys (especially Brazilians) who only go to a Termas to have a quick drink and grab, the girls figure that if you go with another girl, they struck out with you that night. So if she is the first one to stop you, she will be fighting tooth and nails to make sure you go with her and no one else. In addition, if she already knows you from prior experience and you are a pleasant enough guy, it is infinitely better to go with you than fuck another guy who might turn out to be just a freak or a weirdo.

You know, it happens to me even at the R$ 1 per minute places in downtown Rio, believe it or not. It's like the girl that tapped me first is the one that will try to protect her well of income at any cost. Whether we are talking about a lot of money or not.

And as a well-paying foreigner who treats girls with care and respect, you are even in higher demand. This is certainly true for the freelance GDPs, and to a certain extent, also at Termas. Someone any girl would want to monopolize as much as possible. And if it doesn't work, well, at least she tried.

Granted, I understand that we as the client are free to go about how many different garotas we want to be with. That is not an issue, but rather from the garotas point of view. What is it exactly that pisses termas girls off and why? Any Rio experienced forum members want to elaborate?
Once the girls figure out that just by hustling you (laying claim to you, etc.), they can actually pressure you into being with them exclusively or at least paying them off through drinks etc., what will they do? Exactly, they will hustle you. So a girl playing "pissed off" at your chosing another girl might actually be nothing more than a good acting job to get you to cough up some dough. Hey, she's got nothing to lose...

Bubba Boy

10-29-06, 18:21

One thing I found surprising on my first few visits to Brasil was the incredible amount of jealously displayed between couples. It is expected from each partner. Normally a Brasilian male or female will not let his or her partner out of the house alone for social occasions. Coming from a relatively calm western background I found this absurd. However within Brasilian culture if you do not display extreme jealousy and I do mean all consuming ridiculous jealously to your partner, it means you do not love them. I have also found out, after spending a lot of time in Rio over the last 3 years, that the jealousy is well founded. Pretty much every Brasilian will cheat on their partner if left alone. 100% of Brasilian girls that have gringo boyfriends will eventually cheat on them if you are not with them 100% of the time. I have had this happen to me and every one of my friends in Rio. Even with some girls that you would think would never cheat on their boyfriends eventually do so.

I think the reason goes like this. If my partner does not have extreme jealously of me, they do not love me. Hence if they leave me a lone for 1 second, they do not love me, hence I can cheat on them because they do not love me.

Hence, to answer your question below of the rules in a Terma: You are the king in a terma, you get to choose who you want. If a girl displays extreme jealously to you, even after only a short time, it is because the girl thinks there is a connection there and thinks you are starting some kind of a relationship. The relationship can be based on any number of things from love, money, security etc. It is up to the monger to set the GDP straight within the Boite. A comment like, “yeah you are cool but I am going to be banging some other woman now” should do the trick.

GK. I wish you all the best in your recovery. I have had 2 family members, both under the age of 40 that went through the big C. One made it the other did not, hence I know what you are going through. Makes us all think to live life to the full now.

Bubba Boy

10-29-06, 18:28

EA: I agree with what you are saying in that some girls may well be hustling. From your posts I know that you have had at least one long term Brasilian girlfriend and hence you will know very well about the jealously displayed by these womnan in a so called "normal relationship", it is fierce, hence I think at least a portion of the pouting/acting etc is real. Of course the portion that is real could be low or could be high. It is a cultural thing.

Dima a dozen: I agree with EA comments in regards to the supply and demand of guys/gdps. I would agree good looking Brasilian girls are a dime a dozen. However for every perceived wealthy western guy there is dozens and dozens of willing Brasilian girls. The balance is very much in the favour of the westerner.

El Austriaco

10-29-06, 18:54

I think the reason goes like this. If my partner does not have extreme jealously of me, they do not love me. Hence if they leave me a lone for 1 second, they do not love me, hence I can cheat on them because they do not love me.
Absolutely right. It is the ultimate manifestation of the codependent nature that characterizes pretty much all of Latin-American romantic relationships: jealousy as the tangible expression of love, or at least passion. So if jealousy means love, extreme jealousy means extreme love, or extreme passion, and no jealousy means indifference. It's just a huge cultural difference in that, in most Western cultures, jealousy is simply viewed as lack of trust and as something ultimately negative. Not so in Brazil, necessarily. Go figure.

Well, if someone doesn't believe me, just watch any Brazilian telenovela. Or any Latin soap opera. Any.

When I studied in Venezuela back in 2001, I remember one that I was watching all the time, called "No es Amor... es Frenesí". In English, "It's not Love... it's Frenzy!".

In other words, a relationship without drama might be something... but certainly not true love. To them.

And as such, this attitude simply permeates business (P4P) relationships, too (BTW, the distinction between personal and business relationships is way less pronounced in Latin cultures than, say, in the US). So even in a P4P environment, jealousy (possessiveness) is initially interpreted by a Brazilian as a sign of caring, even if it has some pretty straightforward hands-on benefits (hanging on to a prized meal ticket). And suggesting to a girl that whatever jealous fit she throws at you is just because you are her walking ATM machine and nothing else will probably be met by a blank stare and utter disbelief (if not genuine disappointment). It's really a good example of the clash between two different cultures with entirely different concepts of relationships.

One thing is for sure: truly caring for you sure doesn't stop a Brazilian woman (GDP or not) from trying to squeeze every nickle out of you as much as she can. She just doesn't see any contradiction in that at all. Not that squeezing you a lot means she cares a lot, necessarily, or not trying to cash in means she doesn't care. I don't know... it's mindboggling :)

Either way, be careful. Earlier I wrote something to the tune of "once a Brazilian girl perceives that as soon as she gives you some sort of trouble, you will pay her off just to make her shut up, what will you get? Right: trouble, and more trouble, and more trouble". So just to keep the girls in line who are willing to give you trouble (and they are very good at it), draw the line early. Very early. Like... now.

In a boite or a termas, once I have to deal with an overly possessive girl trying to monopolize me, what I do is the following: I simply tell her "You know, you are cool, but I am looking for someone different today. You know what I like, so which of your colleagues can you recommend to me?" That way, you offer her an incentive to pick well on your behalf and you don´t brush her off completely. Keeping her in the loop and turning her into your accomplice, you make sure she is on your side rather than making her feel like a slighted Brazilian woman and, ultimately, your enemy. Has worked very well for me personally.

EA

Mangera

10-29-06, 19:40

EA, thanks for the good advice of how you get an aggressive termas girl who you have already been with a few times, to back off. By giving them some sort of particiaption in suggestioning which one of her friends is a good bang, it will deflect her agressiveness somehwhat. I usually have to be to the point, and tell her I want to try someone different today. But I usually get the evil eye while I am with another, lol.

I will be getting into town in 2 1/2 weeks, and I will definitely be in this scenerio at both Luomos and 4x4. I will try your suggestion. In the over all scheme of things, what a wonderful problem to have, :)

El Austriaco

10-29-06, 20:00

I usually have to be to the point, and tell her I want to try someone different today. But I usually get the evil eye while I am with another, lol.
I usually get the evil eye, too. Not that they like my suggestion a lot, necessarily (of course, they would prefer I rather pick them), but they accept it (as it is a gentle reminder, to paraphrase Bubba Boy's words, that you are indeed king and do as you please). In the mind game of subtle or not so subtle pressure they are playing, it's my way to get back the home field (customer is king) advantage while avoiding unnecessary confrontations.

I had to learn this because every single place I hit, even after years of not going there, I will run into girls that remember me. It's just unbelievable. Back in 2005, I headed back to MV 30 in Centro, and ran into my all-time favorite garota back from 2004, who I hadn't seen in like 9 months. She looked at me and just said "You know, I was really disappointed that you didn't even say goodbye to me last year before returning to your country, EA". Then I ran into my second-choice girl there, and she quibbed "Can't tell you how much I have been missing you, EA". Since A was busy, I headed to the room with B, who was sort of reluctant (You know, EA, I have never gone with you when A was here, too!) and afterwards, A came up to me and said "So you just came back to make me jealous, hm?". I was gone for nine months, but we were right back to how things used to be. Makes your head spin, but in a way, it just adds to the mysterious sexual allure of Rio, doesn't it?

EA

Mangera

10-29-06, 21:16

Sometimes it is totally exciting to know in advance which garota ( of the one's you have already been with), where and how you are going to bang her. What wonderful moments of anticipation. Yet, it is also exciting not knowing beforehand ( Just before getting to Brasil ), which garota, where and how you are going to bang her. Plus everything in between.

Thats what I love about Brasil, you can have a wonderful time with a sure thing ( garota from before), or venture out looking for a new one that will totally blow you away. Always on the hunt. Hell, I mix in both scenarios, with both gdp's as well as regular garotas.

I will be in Medellin, Col. next week, and I know ahead of time that I will have a fantastic time with beautiful women down there, as I have been there a few times already, and know quite a few people already. Yet, I know it will not be the same as Rio, as I will be there the week after to celebrate meu aniversario.

It amazes me how I am overlooking my trip to Medellin, because I am so looking foward to Rio. Its ironic because Medellin is great. I maybe thinking this way as a result of this sexual allure that exist in Brasil, that is not as common in other places around the world. Rio, and Brasil in general is special, at least I think so.

DFWdude

10-30-06, 14:20

No I did not pay R$300-500. NO WAY. For that price I would rather go to the termas and do 2-3 girls, or go to a German FKK and do 2-3 at the same time. (Thats next months trip). Anyway I usually put a cap of R$200 for HELP girls. That is still VERY good money for them, hell if they can do that 4x a week they are making a DAMN good living for Brazil.
I did go to HELP again last night and wound up with Irene, her face was about a 7, body about the same. Spoke English very well and was rather sweet. If she was in a Terma, I would not have bothered. But her personality more than made up for it. She wants to meet me today for lunch with her daughter. UH OH.

Just an estimate guys. How much cash would you guess HELP brings in on an average night. R$20,000.

Oh and I almost forgot, I mentioned a while ago about the girl I met at 4x4 last year, kept an open relationship with, then saw her again in January. Did the deed without a raincoat (spare the lectures.) She got pregnant and started to claim it was mine. Well that was the reason for this trip. Anyway NO WAY is it mine. Baby is WAAAY to dark. She is not tan, but not dark.

DFWdude

10-30-06, 14:22

I usually get the evil eye, too. Not that they like my suggestion a lot, necessarily (of course, they would prefer I rather pick them), but they accept it (as it is a gentle reminder, to paraphrase Bubba Boy's words, that you are indeed king and do as you please). In the mind game of subtle or not so subtle pressure they are playing, it's my way to get back the home field (customer is king) advantage while avoiding unnecessary confrontations.

I had to learn this because every single place I hit, even after years of not going there, I will run into girls that remember me. It's just unbelievable. Back in 2005, I headed back to MV 30 in Centro, and ran into my all-time favorite garota back from 2004, who I hadn't seen in like 9 months. She looked at me and just said "You know, I was really disappointed that you didn't even say goodbye to me last year before returning to your country, EA". Then I ran into my second-choice girl there, and she quibbed "Can't tell you how much I have been missing you, EA". Since A was busy, I headed to the room with B, who was sort of reluctant (You know, EA, I have never gone with you when A was here, too!) and afterwards, A came up to me and said "So you just came back to make me jealous, hm?". I was gone for nine months, but we were right back to how things used to be. Makes your head spin, but in a way, it just adds to the mysterious sexual allure of Rio, doesn't it?

EA

Same shit happens to me. Girls remember me like 6-9 months later. Sometimes by name. How is that possible? Maybe I really f*uck them good?

Java Man

10-30-06, 17:54

congrats on dodging that bullet, Dude.

Mahku

10-30-06, 18:35

I was also at Help last night. I also find the girls are being really hard headed about price. There´s just no way I´m going over 200. I think it backfired for a lot of them. Even after 4 am there were still a lot of lookers around who had turned down endless guys. Good going on all of the guys for not giving in to these ridiculous prices. Maybe sites like this are helping.

I got here late after a delayed flight. I knew Help gets mixed reviews here but if a place gets mentioned a lot it´s good to go once. Now I feel like I have it out of the way.

I´m staying in Atlantico Hotel that´s been recommended here a lot. It´s a little run down but it´s adequate. The breakfast is ok, there´s a basic pool on the roof. I haven´t had a chance to test the guest friendliness yet. That will come.

I´ll be here until maybe the 2nd.

Rio Bob

10-31-06, 03:10

Member #4217

10-31-06, 05:54

For your 200 reais were you able to get something to come home with you or did you spend your first night in Rio alone with your 200 reais?

I would call this agency. The prices speak for themselves. Oh, the price "R$180,00 per noite" is only after min-night. And, the girls are pretty good.

http://www.agenciafelinas.com.br/index2.html

3432-9431 // 3882-8647 // 8787-9227//

R$100,00 3 hrs

R$180,00 per noite

R$150,00 swing

Leave for Rio tomorrow. Arrive Wed. Maybe at HELP Wed night.

Tom

DFWdude

10-31-06, 13:57

FoxesHunter

10-31-06, 22:14

Hi, I am an inexperienced guy of Brasil and I'd like to ask some questions please.
I don't like to spend much money to get sex.
I like to play for fun with a girlfriend or semipro. What town can you recommend me?
Another question: did anybody have experiences with known girls on the net?
Can you give me some web sites where it is possible to meet girls (no hot web site)?
Is it easy to have sex with girls I know on the net?
I'm sorry for my innocent questions but I like to know the brazilian world.
In this forum everybody speaks about night clubs, disco, etc. etc.
I thank you

El Austriaco

10-31-06, 22:24

I don't like to spend much money to get sex.
Who does?

I like to play for fun with a girlfriend or semipro. What town can you recommend me?
Any town in Brazil. Be careful, though: the line between GF and semipro is dangerously thin, and non-pros/semipros (whatever a "semipro" is, anyway) might be quite a bit more expensive than straightforward P4P. Read the board.

did anybody have experiences with known girls on the net?
What do you mean, "known" girls? Yes, I do have experience with meeting Brazilian girls on the Net and then in real life, afterwards.

Can you give me some web sites where it is possible to meet girls (no hot web site)?
Amigos.com, Cybercupido.com.

Is it easy to have sex with girls I know on the net?
Just as much of a crap shot as meeting girls in real life or on the Net at home or in other countries. It all depends on you and the girl. You never know.

And to illustrate that you really never know, read the discussion we had a while ago regarding a recent incident in Brazil: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=518724&postcount=561

There are more posts regarding this incident in the Rio Crime and Safety section.

In this forum everybody speaks about night clubs, disco, etc. etc.
No, no, no. Make no mistake about it, almost everyone speaks about *****houses (termas) and places to pick up hookers, agencies that provide hookers, experiences with different hookers, etc. There is very little talk about (normal) night clubs, discos, etc. etc.

El Austriaco

The Watcher

11-01-06, 00:54

For your 200 reais were you able to get something to come home with you or did you spend your first night in Rio alone with your 200 reais?

I understand your point but that's cold! lol

BuleDaddy

11-01-06, 02:09

For the most part I will only go out to HELP for some drinks and a good time. I really dont see the need to pick up girls there with websites like the one listed. The other night at HELP a girl asked me to buy her a drink. I said sure!. What would you like? Whiskey and Red Bull. WTF? R$32.00. I tried to ditch her right then and there but she took me by the arm kissing and cuddling me. DAMN little head!. Any way I ditched her shortly after she quoted me R$500 for SHORT TIME!. Who is paying these prices? Guys PLEASE we are not at a 3 or 4 to 1 exchange rate anymore. No more thatn R$200 TLN!

I never met more obnoxious trollups anyplace in the world than at Help Disco, but some of the ones on Ipanema come close with their raising agreed upon $ figures at the worst times. You can't even talk to them without them eventually demanding a "Hedjee-Boo" (Redbull) or a pack of cigs they sell back. Horny, lonely Americans ruined that place by caving in when confronted by the Hoze and especially Help Hoze. Then if you hook up with a local non-pro, at the Bunker or Beach they are greedy little leeches that think you are going to pick up the tab for them and all their snotty friends. You might get laid by a non-pro, but only after you have spent $200-$300 USD clubbing, eating, buying them a manicure and a swimsuit. Americans need to learn the art of negotiation and that begins when the girl walks in the door by not going wild if she is really hot. I had to pay a Help doorman to get a glue sniffing ho to stop bothering me. She was pointing her finger at me calling me gay because I kept moving to other bars to evade her. Eventually he had to throw her out and then I was worried that she'd be out waiting for me. I had already done two that afternoon and early evening and just wanted to drink and watch the crowd.

Rio Bob

11-01-06, 02:18

I understand your point but that's cold! lol

Look everybody has something different going on in Rio, some guys spend 1 month there some guys can spend 6 months there so 1 night to them is insignificant. On the other hand you got guys going to Rio who may have a week only or 10 days so 1 night represents 10% of their total stay, why not make the most of it. Im not advocating paying top dollar but if Im in Rio at night and the difference between me and the girl of my dreams is only 100 reais or 46 dollars , I can assure you Im getting the girl of my dreams and not boasting that I went home alone on 10% of my Monger vacation.

Advice for a cheap test run is fine if you have the time for a test run but if you don't have time for a test run and need to dive right into it and take the outcome the way it is then thats what you have to do, we don't all have that luxury, life is not a test run or dress rehearsal, you make your mistakes then you move on to the next one and many times its not a mistake but a score and thats what makes this so sweet.

Rio Bob

11-01-06, 02:25

Rio Bob

11-01-06, 02:35

I never met more obnoxious trollups anyplace in the world than at Help Disco, but some of the ones on Ipanema come close with their raising agreed upon $ figures at the worst times. You can't even talk to them without them eventually demanding a "Hedjee-Boo" (Redbull) or a pack of cigs they sell back. .

I never met more hot, lovely, sexy, young, beautiful, funny, safada putas anyplace in the world like Help Discoteca. If they want a heje Bull and whiskey we can always go back to my place and get one if that is the deal.

Dodger Bulldog

11-01-06, 03:20

On the other hand you got guys going to Rio who may have a week only or 10 days so 1 night represents 10% of their total stay, why not make the most of it. Well, on a ten day stay one strategy is to fuck my brains out for 6 or 7 days prior to going to this type of place.

By that time my little member is usually raw and bleeding anyway, so if I decide to pass and give it a rest for one night it just helps me recuperate before heading into the stretch run of my last few days in town.

Therefore, if I do decide to pick someone up and I much more likely to make a wise decision.

As Dickhead likes to say, sometimes I'm not especially hungry, but maybe I can eat again.

DB

Latitude Cruz

11-01-06, 09:30

DFWdude posted he dodged a bullet.
but obviously someone else didn't!
will the responsible monger please stand up and pass the cigars.

btw, these pics were taken in early july, those bellies have popped by now. don't recall the names, but the GDP in blue is well known.

REFERENCE Brazil Photo Gallery:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=56566

Thought I'd pass along a review.

I had this girl with the painted belly. Only the 2nd time I've had a pregnant chick. I gotta tell ya, that girl is a real trooper! --> CFS (incl. greek), BBBJ, rimming, etc.

A couple of girls gave me scraps of paper with phone #'s and emails as they left my apartment...but I should have made notes so I could remember who was who. I think this girl corresponds to a note with the name "Jane". I remember her telling me the father of her baby is a gringo from NYC/Jersey. I think she said he's a middle-age bachelor school teacher that wanted to get pregnant with her. I found it a little hard to believe. She apparently lives off the support money sent to her by the babies’ daddies (in addition to her own entrepreneurial spirit).

I was nervous about her because I basically hailed her from across the street from my place and moments later we were in my place. I've never done that because I like to get some assurance there won't be any drama later. She was a pleasant surprise. She spoke excellent english. She did have a nasty cough, but she was very insistent that she not take any medicine that may threaten her baby's health. Like I said, I was pleasantly surprised by her personality and "head screwed on straight" (obviously a relative term considering the circumstances).

If you're shopping for a drop-dead gorgeous model type, she's not it. You can see the photos, she's okay looking. But for performance and attitude, she's a top-notch kid. I'd definitely do her again and I'd recommend anyone else to do the same.

LC

Trippleecks

11-01-06, 11:20

FoxesHunter .......... unless you have a lot of time, are young and good looking, have a lot of money to spend on "dating and gifts", speak Portuguese rather well, FORGET IT...

Java Man

11-01-06, 18:27

hey L Cruz.
i found the statement: "she was very insistent that she not take any medicine that may threaten her baby's health," rather humorous as i saw her smoking and drinking on numerous occasions during her pregnancy. she allegedly has other kids fathered by another monger.
she's easily found in the Copa Triangle of Ho beach, Help and Meia Pattaca, (has it reopened?)
i found her looks rather attractive, she's got nice legs too. something about her was very sexy. maybe her "cool" demeanor. i was tempted but i never partook. her constant smoking turned me off. nice review of her, cruz.

Full Throttle

11-01-06, 18:31

Sunday Gavea and Monday Centro
Had time for Sunday and Monday fun. Sunday means no Centro, which limits opportunities to the usually fun but always expensive Copa termas, beach free lancers, austere offerings at the Balcony Bar, ho-hum choice of ordering girls off the net, the unpredictable Help/ Help Veranda experience or falling back on my “book,” which means a repeat event, something I avoid in the land of opportunity.

All of that sounds great. If we were in Des Moines or somewhere, any one of those events would represent hitting the jackpot. For me and Ibiza, it meant hanging out on the beach looking at the hookers in front of Othlon (several were quite attractive), watching football at the office (where they charge $10R to watch a slingbox internet feed), eating at a churascaria, and visiting Gavea in the evening. Gavea is a fun experience of enjoying young, beautiful non-pros who, unbeknownst to them, secretly long for 40-year old gringos seeking meaningless sex.

This area is a Sunday and, possibly, Tuesday night party. It’s easy to find. Simply get in a taxi and tell him/her in perfect Portuguese that you want to go “to the place near a park where people stand around and drink chopps.” It worked for us, anyway.

I guess it pales in comparison to weekends at Leme, but the atmosphere around two streets and approximately 5 or 6 eating/drinking establishments is fun. You can loiter around drinking $2R beers gawking at the hotties without appearing too out of place, especially if you evenly distribute your time between areas A, B and C. They aren’t marked and we made them up, but it gave us some sense of purpose to have several pieces of asphalt to call our own.

Monday was rare in that it wasn’t a Brazilian holiday, so Centro was alive and well. Our day started out at the Cinelandia exit, setting up a nice stroll to the Rio Branco 156 building of sin.

2328 is apparently closed. A lawyer will probably lease out the office, so you probably can still get screwed should you visit.

We went to 1825 where our friend got a good massage last time. In addition to the pretty-but-plump receptionist/owner who only gives massages now, there were 4 girls. Ibiza chose the giant blond girl I had my eye on. I took Marcia. The rooms were only so-so, with cubicle-type partitions between the rooms which were furnished with cheap massage tables and a piece of lumber designed to look like a couch. Both of us received very average service (by our inflated Rio standards). The worst was that I meant to withhold my ultimate expression of love for a more appropriate time. She was only average, but she knew how to finish me off.

Price $50R for 40 minutes, $70R for an hour for those big spenders among you.

Off to eat. Here are a couple of good recommendations:

Cazuela Grill on Guanabara near the Cinelandia station. 2.79R/kilo. Filled plate with filet mignon, chicken parm, chicken filet and a couple of sides for 12R.

Coliseu das massas. R. Sete de Setembro 171. 12.60R for all-u-can eat Italian Rodizio. Awesome pastas, pizzas and dessert pizzas. There must have been 10-15 entrees brought by.

After lunch, we went to the other side of the tracks. The tracks downtown are represented by Presidente Vargas. Over there in the vicinity of Acre and Leonardo Martins, we entered a handful of sleazy places. I like sleaze, but these places really challenged the senses. Dark, musty, dirty, and poorly-maintained was the rule. The best one we found was Club Vanesa Rio (maybe you’ve heard of the namesake). This was on or about that intersection.

My goal was to find a fluff girl. You know; the ones who keep the porn star guys “up” between scenes to expedite them? At Vanesa, the price was 20R for 20 minutes, and so on and so on. The common room was “okay” with ample room in the common area, an expensive video juke box, and reasonably attractive girls. Two of the best ones sat with us. Mine, a 5’9” blond with a beautiful, lean body, was very sweet and spoke a little English. She was affectionate but not pushy. Certainly good enough for a fluff girl.

Getting to the room was half the adventure. A converted attic, access required navigating a step-stair hybrid. Rooms were first come first serve, so she pounded on doors till one didn’t scream back. Inside, there was about as much room as L’uomos, maybe 25% more. I worry that it could have been cleaner and that maid doesn’t make it to the room as frequently as the girls do.

The session was darn good. She got prettier and prettier as we removed her clothes and her affectionate attitude only improved. A great BBBJ, 69, multiple other positions and, contrary to my plan, a sloppy finish in and around the boca. All in all, a great $8.00 investment.

We also looked for a legitimate massage, which is available at Buenos Aires 93, room 1103. Ibiza didn’t finish with his fluff girl, so he went to Buenos Aires 93, but room 513. Bruna/Livia, the owner, was his choice. Good, not great he said.

We also stuck our nose into several other places. Aqarius on Acre and Miguel da Coto. Their afternoon special only applies Tues-Thu., (30R/20 minutes), so we left. MV31 had too high a cover for us We dragged ourselves by Laser 502 without going in. Club 81 on R. Quitanda looks like an okay terma, but cover was 20R. It includes 3 beers, but we didn’t have time for that. In Copa, we got a card for Dezejus Massage on R. Toneleiros. They advertise specials and drinks at their “new” address. Forgot the address, but it is almost at the corner of S. Campos and R. Toneleiros. Phone 2255 5422.

May not return to Rio for a couple of months. That's why I splurged this time and spent all of $31 US on my two girls-- combined! So, I’ll endeavor to survive vicariously through all of you. No fighting, just experience and report!

Sperto

11-01-06, 18:36

It’s easy to find. Simply get in a taxi and tell him/her in perfect Portuguese that you want to go “to the place near a park where people stand around and drink chopps.”
Or you can ask the driver to go to "Baixo Gávea".

DFWdude

11-01-06, 20:54

Well guys I had to leave Rio last night, got home this AM. After seen some of the fat ugly american women walking around DFW airport this AM I got immediately depressed.
I did make it to 4x4 yesterday before getting to the airport. My how times have changed. If they had a great body, they had the face to protect it and vice versa. That scares me because I always found a young cutie or two there.
Anyway I also stopped at the Rio Sul mall yesterday. I found the sweetest, most beautiful girl working at a mens clothing store. I wound up buying a lot more than I wanted but it was worth it to talk to her. Exchanged e mails. Even if she is not a pro, it is worth a followup.

I have figured out what makes these women so attractive to me, beyond their agressive sexual behavior. It is the way they carry themselves overall, and with a little bit of effort on my part to make her feel special, she rewards by treating you very well as well.

Time to start planning my next trip.

Member #4217

11-01-06, 23:44

I arrived in the morning, took 3 hours to get to my apartment. Called Monica, from a previos visit. She was very cold! Seems to have turned hard core pro! Would not give up a hug or kiss without dinero!

I quickly gave her R10 for taxi, and "vamous!"

Went to 502 termas in centro. Hadf a great timne with 3 very friendly girls. Must have been 20 or more, mostly very fine.

Cost me R45 for drinks and lot of fun.

Currently waiting for 2 to come to my apartment after leaving at 10, TLN for R300 total! Plan to take many photos. Pre-arranged!

Gues I will not make it to HELP tonight! :o)

Tell ya bout it tomorrow!

Tom

Ibiza007

11-02-06, 00:30

***Update- Things must be slow , because today I have had 5 calls from past girls, all looking for some company.

" Muito soldage amore" ,
"Ok, querida, eu liga voce amanha!"
The thing is, all 5 are rock solid. If I only had 5 peckers!!! and
more $$$****

[QUOTE=Full Throttle]Sunday Gavea and Monday Centro
Had time for Sunday and Monday fun. Sunday means no Centro, which limits opportunities to the usually fun but always expensive Copa termas, beach free lancers, austere offerings at the Balcony Bar, ho-hum choice of ordering girls off the net, the unpredictable Help/ Help Veranda experience or falling back on my “book,” which means a repeat event, something I avoid in the land of opportunity.

***I went to Centro today and a had lunch at Cafe Columbo, the place is a real gem in Rio, you should go there and see it for yourself, very posh for Rio. The food was great , but a bit pricy.*** Near Carioca station.

***I had lunch with a friend, then off to 156 building, for a quickie with Mariana, 3320, very nice.***

This area is a Sunday and, possibly, Tuesday night party. It’s easy to find. Simply get in a taxi and tell him/her in perfect Portuguese that you want to go “to the place near a park where people stand around and drink chopps.” It worked for us, anyway.

***FT laughed at my directions, delivered in perfect Portuguese, and the driver took us directly to our destination! Well, I really did not have aclue how to say the name of the park, but all worked out.***

***FT our favorite friend Aline called me today and informed me that you are introuble for not calling her, and she mentioned she was taking the week off from 502, and wanted to know if she could come to Copa for a visit. I said, "I will call you tomorrow", FT knows what 2-3 hours of ALine would be like in my casa. I am not sure if VIVID VIDEO would have anything nastier in their whole collection!!!***

I guess it pales in comparison to weekends at Leme,

***( correction LAPA)***, but the atmosphere around two streets and approximately 5 or 6 eating/drinking establishments is fun. You can loiter around drinking $2R beers gawking at the hotties without appearing too out of place, especially if you evenly distribute your time between areas A, B and C. They aren’t marked and we made them up, but it gave us some sense of purpose to have several pieces of asphalt to call our own.

***It will be sad not to have my good friend FT to troll around centro for a few months, but as he knows, I will keep up the battle in his absence, and have great info for his return visit.***

***We estimate there could be 20-30 casas in the 156 alone, So I have to go floor by floor and bribe the janitors for information, this has worked in the past, as I have discovered places not on any boards, when in doubt ask the janitor or the security guard, they have the inside track. This estimate came from FT talking to one of the casa managers, she gave this estimate, just for this one building!***

Ibiza

Bubba Boy

11-02-06, 03:47

I have figured out what makes these women so attractive to me, beyond their agressive sexual behavior. It is the way they carry themselves overall

I think it is their smiles. No chics have better, warmer, more inviting smiles with than Brasileiras! The way they make direct eye contact with you and then smile, kind of lights up the rest of yourt day! Western chics just can't do that shit.

DFWdude

11-02-06, 13:58

I think it is their smiles. No chics have better, warmer, more inviting smiles with than Brasileiras! The way they make direct eye contact with you and then smile, kind of lights up the rest of yourt day! Western chics just can't do that shit.

agreed my firend, all part of their overall "package". They really know how to make a man melt.....there is one girl I met at the Rio Sul mall I still cant get out of my head, and we never even had sex! I am sooo tempted to go back and try and find her

Member #4217

11-02-06, 15:17

Went to 502. Had great time.

Met old Friend, Monica. She turned into a cold hard-core pro!

Photos in photo section,

Ruined my HELP experience. Will go back tonight, and try someone new!

If you see her, trust me, she will destroy your night! I caught her going through my closet when I went out of the room!

Be careful!

Tom

RioThaiGuy

11-02-06, 18:38

Jan 156

11-03-06, 02:59

Is there a report that one of you have that describes many of the centro options with addresses and prices I have seen a few here and there but not really a complete list. I appreciate it. I am willing to go thru all of the pages but if one of you could recommend or forward me a great report I would be very appreciative.ThanksI've posted on and off but most people are looking for the upmarket ones, which interest me less.

Here's some down and dirty places:

Rue Da Carioca 59 R10-30
Rua Uruguaiana 24 R$18/15 min
Rua Buenos Aires 85 R$10/10 min
Rua Buenos Aires 113 R$10/10

Those prices are earlier this year, but fluctuate a bit depending on special offers.

Jan 156

11-03-06, 03:15

Has anyone travelled overland from Rio to BA. Looks like a lot of interesting stops. Is bus best? Train? Any special mongering locales.Have done BA to Rio. Buses are quite good. Get the 'leite' which allows you to recline and sleep. There's no train. It's a long way though - you might want to do some of it by air just to save time (eg Rio to Porto Allegre). From there you get the bus through Uruguay and a boat across to B.A.

Jan 156

11-03-06, 03:27

Hey guys, when planning my first trip anywhere this is my first port of call - a fantastic forum where we all help each other.

Most places you have a few threads with a few reports, and the search option helps with something specific.

With my first trip to Rio soon, what I'm looking for, and cannot find (despite repeatedly RTFF!), is a monger's map of Rio. There are some great ones on the Argentina private site for Buenos Aires, but I'm struggling to place all the clubs in RDJ at the moment, and where's best to stay etc. Anyone post a link please?

Many thanks for any help (+ thx already Bob)

KnightSorry can't help you directly. But firstly Rio is big, as big as London, and the scene has many layers. You can find a basic map on the web using google but allow a few days for orientation on your first trip. You will probably stay in Copacabana, which is in the south of the city. If you are going for more than two weeks it's worth finding an apartment - there are very many agencies that do them in Rio.

If you stay in central Rio (a decent option) you will be near the metro station (for when you want to go further afield), and be in an area that is slightly safer than the rest of Copa (!). You could get either a hotel or a backpackers the first night then look for an apartment in the morning. Staying anywhere in Copa need not make that much difference. Don't worry about it.

Taxis are not terribly expensive, so while you get to know the city or if you are only going for a short time you can use them to get to the termas and massagens. The 'clubs' are pretty rip-off-ish mostly (IMO) although Help is a must see just cos it is such a phenomena (take care coming out).

A map won't help you that much unless you are doing serious navigating, in which case get the local equivalent of an A-Z streetmap when you get there. It includes all the bus routes. Otherwise the freebie tourist map you get on arrival at the airport is enough.

If you want to do top end you can stay in Ipanema (west of Copa) although you are then further away if you want to go anywhere else. If you want to do bottom end, you'll get to know Centro and Mimosa, but do get your sea-legs first ;-)

Jan 156

11-03-06, 03:35

The other night was interesting. I decided to go to Luomos, since my colleague had never been to a terma. Luomos was typically great.

Afterwards, on the way down Atlantica to Help, some skinny beggar that hangs around on the north side of Help told me and my colleague how hungry he was. So, my benevolant friend pulled out his money to give him a couple of reals. Of course, the beggar grabbed all of the bills in his hand, and made a run for it. My buddy, 6'1" and a blackbelt in karate, was in the process of chasing him down when the guy stopped and froze. When I caught up, I found him lying flat on the pavement with a plain-clothes vigilante pointing a Colt 357 at his head. Turns out the vigiliante was an undercover tourist policeman.

So, then the fun began. The perp threw the money on to the street. I counted 135R. The policeman picked it up to hold as evidence. The two of us, the cop, four other cops and the beggar then went to the tourist police station in Impanema or Leblon, I'm not sure. Two hours later, all the reports were completed, the beggar went to jail, and my colleague got his 35R back.

You didn't misread, the cop decided to keep 100R for himself. Just when I was about to applaud the police department, he did that. The irony is that we would have been better off had the cop not been there, because my buddy was about 3' from the guy when the cop showed up, and getting the money back would have been simple. Oh, well.

By the way, I had just told my colleague that I never give money to beggars, mainly because I don't want them seeing where I keep my money.

So, this all happened just on the other side of the Help, so I've never gotten so close without going there!

I snuck pictures of the cop and the perp, by the way, although I'm not sure which is which.Guess your pal might try a different tactic next time.

*Looking* tough can be a slight advantage - being prepared to fight is probably the opposite.

Best rule - learn from the locals how not to get mugged (or plenty of posts on this forum - but hey - write it off as tourist tax this time and better luck next time)

Next - if you get mugged don't resist. Do everything you can to avoid it - walk, run, didge, but once you're being mugged let them take what they want (they will anyway).

Finally - yes, the tourist police at Leblon are really nice but what exactly can they do - not a lot. It will also generally take up to several hours to make a report so balance it all up (including the trip there and back). If you really need a piece of paper for insurance purposes it's maybe worth it, otherwise think what else you could be doing in that time. A lot of it is down to how you handle it emotionally. Walking about afterwards without thinking everyone is after you can be hard for a day or so.

El Austriaco

11-03-06, 06:32

I just found this website recently and was previously on a competitor but love the info on here. I am heading back to Rio in ten days and want to most of my mongering in centro. Is there a report that one of you have that describes many of the centro options with addresses and prices I have seen a few here and there but not really a complete list. I appreciate it.Thanks
Centro:

Recent Centro Reports by Ibiza and Full Throttle:

Aquarius: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=476709&postcount=1292
Aquarius: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=465281&postcount=1079

Number of different places, including Av. Rio Branco casas:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=476831&postcount=1294
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=522182&postcount=2122
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=496549&postcount=1606

A list of links to reports by Sperto and myself regarding 502, MV 30, and several cheap places in Centro (with detailed address and pricing info):

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=467646&postcount=112

Vila Mimosa:

Maps by Sperto:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=506211&postcount=1787

A bit of info (from Bubba Boy’s Guide):

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=426749&postcount=5

EA

Member #4217

11-03-06, 18:11

Check the photo forum for pjotos. The blonde, Monica, was a very bad deal. Tried to rob me, so I kicked her out real quickly!

Cris, was a sweety and a great GFE.

Tom

Ibiza007

11-04-06, 02:10

In centro the options are endless. I see on destack that some of the casas are in Tijuca, and I am sure there are many privates in Tijuca that have never made this board. Unless we have Carioca in the forum, do we have one?, We will never scratch the surface of what Rio has to offer. I went to Tijuca, not Barra Tijuca, the other day and the true Carioca girls on the street are fantastic, I thought much better than Copa. I felt Tijuca was safe during the day. Go there and have a nice lunch, just take the line 1 subway all the way to the end and exit, lots of people and restaurants, very cool!

I was looking at a arial map of Rio the other day, and if you look at centro, and zona sul together, it is about 30% of Rio's land coverage, so 70% has never been mentioned in this forum, but I have to add, the 70% unexplored by us, would not be safe without an escort, it would be some areas gringos would want to tread lightly.

If you have some time, look at destack.com.br and the massage section, look at all of the massage cards, some of these we have discovered, but many we have not.

I try to call a few each week, and many are the same owners, and the girls rotate around, from casa to casa. Sometimes I purposely go to a casa to avoid seeing a girl, and there she is in a new lineup.

I think Full Throttle and others are beginning to get a good list of addresses started. So we are starting to get a good idea of what is in Centro, but we have a long ways to go. Maybe we need a centro thread, to help organize the info.

As FT said, accross the tracks,(across Ave Pres Vargas) we found many stairways leading to houses of sin, most were not good, but a step above the BA 85 and Carioca 59 styles places. The vanessa place, see FT 's report, was as good as you will find for $R20 all included.

And Wiskaria Aquarious, Tues - Friday, before 3pm is really a good deal, $R30 for 20 min.

Ok, good luck and please use good manners in Centro, so we will always be welcomed back when we visit, it is good for all of us. That is one of the best parts about the casas in Centro, no negotiations, one fixed price. You will find that if you are a repeat visitor in Cenro you are treated like gold, huge smiles all around for return visits!

IBZ

Centro:

Recent Centro Reports by Ibiza and Full Throttle:

Aquarius: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=476709&postcount=1292
Aquarius: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=465281&postcount=1079

Number of different places, including Av. Rio Branco casas:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=476831&postcount=1294
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=522182&postcount=2122
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=496549&postcount=1606

A list of links to reports by Sperto and myself regarding 502, MV 30, and several cheap places in Centro (with detailed address and pricing info):

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=467646&postcount=112

Vila Mimosa:

Maps by Sperto:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=506211&postcount=1787

A bit of info (from Bubba Boy’s Guide):

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=426749&postcount=5

EA

Sprite13

11-04-06, 08:49

Enjoy:

http://www.geocities.com/robertunderground/bwanarioguide.pdfThanks for posting this. IMHO, it should be posted among the reports of distinction.

GK, I have been reading your reports with lots of interest and a great joy in the SP forum. I sincerely wish you all the best and have a complete and rapid recovery.

Cheers

The Guy

11-04-06, 16:14

The Guy

11-04-06, 16:41

I found the posts below about possessiveness of termas girls entertaining. Occasionally when I'm with one girl (who's hoping to get me to the room), I'll start secretly eyeing and fondling the girl next to us at the bar. In general, they're supposed to leave the guys alone who are with other girls. But most love the opportunity of showing that they can steal one away from a colleague/competitor. It's fun to see them go at it.

Icyhoteric

11-04-06, 17:31

Orang05

11-04-06, 18:30

I've stayed there several times. Guest friendly, but they want to know (no svc. chg. of you book a double). Sometimes there are gringo tour groups in the hotel and a guy might think "a walk of shame" when you come in with your frind ca. 2330 and 30 folks from Inidiana are lined up for the lift. Location is good - 2.5 blocks from Copa, plenty of restaurants, etc in the neighborhood (relatively safe - higher end condos & apts). Augosto's rooms are neat and pleasant but not so large and nothing special. Hotel staff is excellent - very helpful. Good value for money. I tend to stay there if I am doing the terma/privado thing and not escorts, Jelp, etc. Using escort svcs is probably not so appreciated at Augostos.

Lorenzo

11-04-06, 20:24

Icyhoteric,

Of the hotels you mention, the only one I have stayed at is Augusto's. I stayed there for a few days in August 2004, under unusual circumstances. I was living for a few months with my Brasilian GF, a former GDP, when her mother, who apparently thought her daughter was still a virgin, announced that she would be making a surprise visit for a few days. The GF wanted me to disappear during Mama's visit, so I chose Augusto's on very short notice.

Augusto's was a very pleasant surprise. At the then-currrent exchange rate it came to US$63 (R180) a night--probably a lot more now--but the accommodations were equivalent to a 4 star hotel: huge rooms, comfortable beds, clean, well-appointed lobby, sumptuous breakfast included. It was also girl friendly, but each time you brought one back there was an additional 'diario' of 25% of the daily rate (R45 or about US$15, not too bad). The main drawback to Augusto's is that it is quite far from the beach and any of the action, about 3 blocks in from the beach as I recall. So you would have to take a taxi back to the hotel at night, since I don't think it's safe to walk around Copacabana at night by yourself.

The decision as to whether to stay in Ipanema or Copacabana is yours alone. If you read the forum, you should get an idea of what it's like to stay in either place. Your idea of staying half the time in each place sounds pretty sensible. That way you'll have a pretty good idea of what you want to do on subsequent trips.

If you stay in Copacabana, I would recommend the south end, which is where most of the P4P action occurs (termas, Help, etc.). The only things you'll find on the north end are Mabs and the sleazy places around Prado Junior and Princesa Isabela, most of which are ripoff joints.

Hope this helps; I'm sure other mongers will have other suggestions. BTW, in case anyone's interested, the GF I alluded to above is now back to being a full time GDP, which just illustrates one of Lorenzo's maxims: once a ho, always a ho, or, you can take the girl out of the termas, but you can't take the termas out of the girl.

Lorenzo

Sunset

11-04-06, 22:42

I have never seen a bigger moon than tonight over Leme.

Mangera

11-04-06, 23:00

I will be back in Ipanema in two less than two weeks, and I garantee you that I will have an even bigger moon over my face. Can't wait. Laters!

BulldogThick

11-04-06, 23:04

I will be in Rio Dec 5, I would like someone to show me ware the lowend centro termas are.

Member #4217

11-06-06, 15:12

O K! I finally made it to VM. I wanted to listen to the advice here, and make this first scouting trip in the day, so I went on Sunday PM, arriving arround 4. Good advice! I dressed to look Brazilian, and had 3 seperate girls on the metro tell me that I done good! I do not advise clearly looking "gringo" for this trip.

The metro is Sao Cristovao. When you exit go up to the ramp, face Maracana. The zoo is to the right, and you want to go left. See the photo in photo section. You will walk about 5 minutes along a small sidewalk beside a busy street. I can not see how this area could be dangerous, even at night.

As you approach the street to the left, again looks OK to me. See the photo in photo section. Short walk into VM. See the photo in photo section. You will quickly realize that you are not in Kansas any more. The smell and the view will tell you. There is a nasty small bar accross the street to the right as you enter.

Go straight down the street. At the end of this first street is the Camaro hotel. Use it if you want. It beats the hell out of what you will see in the bars. I did not use either. I did not plan on taking anything on this trip. Just planned on scouting it. At this hotel, turn short right, then right again. Now you see the bars.

At this point, I stopped taking photos. I was not liking the looks every time I pulled out my little pocket camera. Sorry guys, but you will realize that this is not Copocabana!

As you walk along this street, there are a lot of street grills, bars, and girls. I would say that if you like the darker girls, you might find something you could take, but you would have to look real hard. I saw very few that I would touch. Then, you see the allyways. Going into the allys, there are more bars and the girls are more intimate ... like sitting with no panties and their legs wide open! Or no top, or very sheer tops. The music is loud and many of these girls are dancing. Some have decent bods, but most are old n ugly.

I loved it! I got a beer, and before long I was sitting at various bars chatting with the guys and the girls. I sat out on the street and talked to some guys, and had several fair girls come to grab me. I only talked to a girl who was a 6 or more, and was grabbing or making me grab. As I later learned, many of these girls are X-HELP girls. And, many actually hit the low end on looks for HELP. But, I did not see any stunners. But, remember, this is only 5 PM. I learned that Tues through Saturday is the hot days. So, for a first scout, Sunday was good.

It was hard to get somewone to sell a normal size beer. They all wanted to sell the big bottles. Only R$4. After 3 or 4 beers, and lots of fun, I asked a choco with a nice bod, very short skirt, no top, and no panties who was almost fucking me anyway, while she danced in my lap, how much. As all others had said, R$25. But, I said not here, but TLN in my apartment in Copo. Price: R$80, TLN. So we are off! See her photo in photo section.

She showed me the back way to the metro. Lot shorter, but not much traffic and even she said never go that way at night! After we got back to my apartment, she was naked almost before I could lock the door! Had me same so fast, I did not even have a chance to tell her to slow down!

But, I did stop her. Maybe, it is just me, but I took a shower and made her take one too! She did not like it, but did it! She wanted to smoke some pot, but I said no! Then she got a little bitchy, so in my normal way, I just simple said, "Get the f*ck out!" She turned back into a hot little ho really fast. Just like when we walked through the door. She wanted it up the bum, but I just did not have it in me to do this with her, this time!

I will spare all the details, but she earned her R$80 very well. And, she gave me all th einfo I needed to go and be sage in VM. Gasve me her number, and told me to call her when I am coming again. She will line up some of her friends for a good time in VM.

I will definitely return, for the late night show!

If you want more detail, when you arrive and plan to go to VM, PM me and I can tell you more. I just cannot write all she told me down. It would take too long.

Tom

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Full Throttle

11-06-06, 17:29

Tried Aquarius the other evening. Very reasonable pricing, just R10 to get in and that includes two beers. Decent looking girls for the most part, but most were too thick for my taste. Found a model-like 20 yr old, very nice. Paid R90 for 30 minutes. Not much more for a full hour, but I was in a hurry. Rooms quite good with private bathroom. Can't beat the downtown prices!

I'm not doubting your experience, but I am a little surprised. When we were there on a Thursday night a few weeks ago, there was only one girl out of 15-20 that had any additional meat on her (but she did bring the average up considerably). Price for the full hour is 135R, which makes the 30 min/ 60 min spread fairly significant. It's funny, when we went there first, I wondered how they could charge so little money. After 7-9 times exploring Centro, I wonder how they can charge so much!

I'm currently in Mumbai. With all due respect to our Indian brothers on the board, this place is an f'ing dive. Favelas could be marketed as timeshare resorts here. Evidently, there are opportunities here, but the restaurants make Centro Rio seem like Rodeo Drive. In fact, when I leave here, I need to go to Rio to detox slowly. I'll start by dunking my head in the girls' toilet at Buenos Aires 85, and work my way to a refreshing swim in the lovely canal that empties "treated" water into the ocean at the top of Leblon.

I did find Viagara for a quarter and Cialis for $.75, so, customs permitting, not all is lost.

FT

RexG

11-06-06, 18:22

Meia Petaca (spelling?) is about to open. Today they unfurled the large umbrellas out front, and they are moving in tables and chairs. Some of the waiters are there now helping to move in furniture. I talked to one of the waiters. No work for three months. Very tough.

Carlos Primeros

11-06-06, 20:03

Hallo FT -

I am glad that you regard Mumbai in the same way as me. "The DUMP".

I never mongered there - the Indian LADIES - please no disrespect to our Indian monger brothers - do not attract me, not really clean but with a lot of incenses, JUCK!!!

Do they still collect the bodies of the poor which died during the night on the street at 4 - 5 o`clock in the morning??? That was a real down-turner when you took a girl out of a club in the morning to your hotel!

Have a safe trip back to heaven/Rio.

Carlos Primeros
King of Portugal in exile (unfortunately not permanently in Rio)

RexG

11-06-06, 20:32

Meia Pataca is about to open. Today they unfurled the large umbrellas out front, and they are moving in tables and chairs. Some of the waiters are there now helping to move in furniture. I talked to one of the waiters. No work for three months. Very tough.

I may have been a little premature. The umbrellas have been folded up again. The people on the scene are saying 4 to 5 days. Probably means two weeks.

Sperto

11-06-06, 21:22

Nice post and nice photos.
I'm looking forward to a Friday night report. :)

P.S Remember to check all the casas in all the alleys. The gems are not standing on the street.

The Greek

11-07-06, 09:14

Does anyone have any advice on the following? I've been reading a lot online and came up with these as some potential options. I assume for what I want to do I should stay in Copacabana, but not sure if I want to be closer to Ipanema or the other side.Should I switch places if I'm going to be there for 7 nights? If anyone has any advice as to which part of Copacabana is better, maybe which Posto I would want to be near for safety, beach location, convenience, or any ideas about how "friendly" these places may or not be, please let me know. Thanks all - 42 days.

Orla Copacabana
Martinique Copa Hotel
Hotel Astoria Copacabana
Augosto's Copacabana Hotel
Plaza Copacabana HotelRio is like home to me thus I know that when people see you with a hooker, they don't judge or criticize you or whatever. We should not underestimate people's intelligence keep in mind that Brazilians tend to be very polite (to sometimes very formal) even to each other. You can call and ask a hotel if you can bring a guest at night in your room and if yes, how much extra you will have to pay. The fee is usually a flat fee. Ie it is the same if you stay in a single bed room or at the executive suit!

Another savings tip is to ask if this fee will be waived if you pay a double occupancy rate. That way, if there is soneone you like, you could go with her for breakfast in the morning, assuming that she is not obviously dressed like a ho.

During daytime, in most hotels you can take someone for a quickie to your room. , . Just tell it is a friend and you have something for her in your room.

My feeling is that Ipanema is full of real pros, while copa are more like amateur hos and you are more likely to find a gfe there.

If you can speak basic (I really mean basic) portoguese, go to the brothels advertised at O Dia. Normal sex (10-15 minutes) is 15-20 Rs if you are local. Double that if foreigner. Straight or anal is the same price. (anal is strandard in brazil) (it is pronounced anaou)(like braziou). Termas are for the tourist, obviously (brazilians can not afford them)

Btw, tehre are plenty of good looking girls who can not afford the entrance to Help. If you can negotiate very good, you can find someone from 50-100 Rs/ night. Avoid exploring unsafe areas so that you can save 5 -10$ - you are pushing your luck.

Good Luck

S

Mangera

11-07-06, 21:11

For the Senior members of this board, I would appreciate your opinions and input on putting a festa together for my birthday in Rio in a couple of weeks. I usually travel alone, and I love it. But this time around, I will have a few friends in town for my 38th aniversario.

I am trying to figure out how to best organize this party(I have never put something like this together before). It will consists of 4 to 5 guys maximum, and I would like to provide a garota per guy or maybe even up to 2 per guy ( for example, I would like 2, lol, give me a break, its my birthday). None of the guys in the group are hardcore drinkers, nor do they use drugs. So I do not expect to have a disaster occur because of an idiot going bonkers from being wasted.

Being that most of the participants are in their mid to late 50's (except for me, I am the "little Joe Cartwright" from bonanza in camparison to the other guys), they are not the type to want to party in the late hours of the night. So I would like to plan a festa during a nice sunny day by poolside at some Lovemotel( unless someone has a better idea for this type of event).

Initially, I am thinking about checking a couple of Lovemotels such as VIPS, to personally see what is available. Would like some suggestions or tips of what and whatnot to look for.

As for the ladies, I can either roll the dice, and call an agency like company girl, ciaplus, or karla models and get one of those group specials. Downside to this is that I have a good idea of what the girls look like, but I have no idea what kind of service they will provide.

My other option is to call a couple of escorts I have already experienced
( provided good service ), and tell them to arrange it so that 4 or 5 of her friends can participate in a festa. The down side is that I can not see them beforehand.

As for trying to set this up with a termas girl, it is difficult because most of them have to report to work the next day at some point during the afternoon.

Another concern is that by having so many garotas in one place together, there might be one could try to rip something off or just start a scene. It only takes one ass**** to screw up the whole experience.

Maybe I should just scratch this idea all together, and celebrate it at a termas. But I am sure we are all going to be hanging out at termas anyway, so it would not make it any different or special.

So I am a bit unsure as what to do. Maybe there is some other option that I may not be thinking of. Please feel free to share your suggestions based on first hand knowledge or experiences. Thanks.

El Austriaco

11-07-06, 21:22

During daytime, in most hotels you can take someone for a quickie to your room. , . Just tell it is a friend and you have something for her in your room.
Has worked for me.

My feeling is that Ipanema is full of real pros, while copa are more like amateur hos and you are more likely to find a gfe there.
What´s the difference between "real pros" and "amateur hos"? The Copa girls seem like real pros to me, IMHO.

If you can speak basic (I really mean basic) portoguese, go to the brothels advertised at O Dia. Normal sex (10-15 minutes) is 15-20 Rs if you are local. Double that if foreigner. Straight or anal is the same price. (anal is strandard in brazil) (it is pronounced anaou)(like braziou). Termas are for the tourist, obviously (brazilians can not afford them)
I have been to quite a number of somewhat offbeat places frequented by locals, and with very few exceptions, I have never been asked to pay more than a local. Whenever they tried to rip me off, pointing out the discrepancy has quickly fixed the problem anytime. So no, there is no two-tiered pricing structure for locals and foreigners.

While anal is certainly common in Brazil, I have personally found it to be less "standard" than you claim. Especially in the cheap places.

Also, "termas" is a Brazilian term that refers to all kinds of brothels, high-end and low-end, tourist-oriented or not, so obviously, there are termas that are mostly frequented by some locals. All the cheap places call themselves termas, too, don't they? Even some of the upscale termas like Centaurus, 4 X 4, MC, etc. are frequented at least by SOME locals, as clearly reported here on this board.

Btw, there are plenty of good looking girls who can not afford the entrance to Help. If you can negotiate very good, you can find someone from 50-100 Rs/ night. Avoid exploring unsafe areas so that you can save 5 -10$ - you are pushing your luck.
R$ 100, maybe... maybe. R$ 50? Good luck, and watch your back.

I agree with the dangers of exploring unsafe areas. Which areas are you talking about?

EA

Java Man

11-07-06, 23:15

tom & jerry:
how does one "dress" to look Brazilian?

Rio Bob

11-08-06, 04:23

I am trying to figure out how to best organize this party(I have never put something like this together before).

Initially, I am thinking about checking a couple of Lovemotels such as VIPS, to personally see what is available. Would like some suggestions or tips of what and whatnot to look for.

Another concern is that by having so many garotas in one place together, there might be one could try to rip something off or just start a scene. It only takes one ass**** to screw up the whole experience.

Sounds like a great party, I think you have it all together, Call an agency you mentioned, get one of those specials of 5 garotas, get a big suite at VIP's with a pool , skip all your concerns and worries and just roll the dice and do it the way it comes out, it's Rio man, where else can you even talk about doing something like this never mind doing it.

Rio Bob

11-08-06, 04:24

tom & jerry:
how does one "dress" to look Brazilian?

Go shopping at Rio Sul and buy all domestic clothes.

Java Man

11-08-06, 06:27

buying clothes at Rio Sul would dress one up as an upper middle class brazilian.....which is still a target. stuff in Rio Sul aint cheap by brazilian standards. :)

The Greek

11-08-06, 08:35

buying clothes at Rio Sul would dress one up as an upper middle class brazilian.....which is still a target. stuff in Rio Sul aint cheap by brazilian standards. :)Gentlemen, from my experience based on my Brazilian friends, they tend to like C& A (don't ask me why). That seems to be a middle class shopping store...also the shops on the 1st or 2nd paraller to Avenida Atlatica (the one the busses ride) are ok.

Basic rule is no jewlery, no gold watch, no expensive sunglasses, but also no tearred-off blue jeans.

Hope that helps.

-S-

The Greek

11-08-06, 09:02

Has worked for me.

>>>What´s the difference between "real pros" and "amateur hos"? The Copa girls seem like real pros to me, IMHO.
EAPlease note that all these comments are based on my experience... I have been to Rio 10-12 times and I speak portoguese (I learnt it in Salvador- a lot cheaper than learning portoguese in Rio).

The women in Ipanema, are more of less high end hos or very experieneced hos who are really after your wallet. They tend to be 8s to 10s in appearence. Girls in Copa (with the exception of the ones inside help) seems to be hooking but they still believe in the GFE and that someone might fall in love with them and take them away ( i have been several times with a girl I picked up on the street where she will not 'charge' me after the 1st night and daydream about us getting married)(again that is my experience).

I have also never seen any normal' streetwalker sin Ipanema at night, except junkie *****s in the little park when you come from Copa to Ipanema.

>>>I have been to quite a number of somewhat offbeat places frequented by locals, and with very few exceptions, I have never been asked to pay more than a local. Whenever they tried to rip me off, pointing out the discrepancy has quickly fixed the problem anytime. So no, there is no two-tiered pricing structure for locals and foreigners.
EAI am not trying to argue with you or even hint that you are wrong, but at least in the newspaper ads and having talked to locals I know that they low end 'termas' do charge 15Rs for locals and 30Rs for foreigners... Maybe not all of them.

In geneal, I have never never never experienced any discrimination anywhere in Brazil, except those particular prices.

Also, I have never been overcharged by a taxi-driver or have the guy taking the long way around to increase the cab fare. (not in Rio, but can be common in Salvador)

>>>While anal is certainly common in Brazil, I have personally found it to be less "standard" than you claim. Especially in the cheap places.
EAWhenever I have asked for anal in those termas, they have never ask for additional fees. I will assume that you know that when they advertize or reffer to sex 'complete', it means everything, including anal.

>>>Also, "termas" is a Brazilian term that refers to all kinds of brothels, high-end and low-end, tourist-oriented or not, so obviously, there are termas that are mostly frequented by some locals. All the cheap places call themselves termas, too, don't they? Even some of the upscale termas like Centaurus, 4 X 4, MC, etc. are frequented at least by SOME locals, as clearly reported here on this board.EAI think that is a minor notion of terminology. My impression (and I might be wrong about it) is that termas are usually the high 'end' (ie a bit nicer interior) termas. Keep in mind that 100Rs for a local is a lot of money, and for some close to one weeks salaries.

Regarding salaries...A maid could make as little as 100Rs/month + room and board while a university-educated professional can make 5-7000 Rs/month.

>>>R$ 100, maybe... maybe. R$ 50? Good luck, and watch your back.
EAAt 1am or 2 am, if they haven't picked up you have a good chance to negotiate that rate. Amybe not with all of them, again this is my experience.
Watching my back - excellent advice of course! I always have all valuables in a safe...

>>>I agree with the dangers of exploring unsafe areas. Which areas are you talking about?EAI think the downtown area (the are near the Museum of Modern Art and the old down-town) is not that safe at night. I had heard of colleagues being mugged there in a matter of seconds with no gun and no violence.

Copa at night, if you walk away from the ocean 5-6 blocks towards the favelas, I think you start to push your luck. I also got the impression that the VM location -based on the descriptions- is not a safe one. At least I would take a taxoi to go there.

Enjoy your day!

The Greek

11-08-06, 09:04

tom & jerry:
how does one "dress" to look Brazilian?Wear a tonga everywhere?

(just kidding)

El Austriaco

11-08-06, 09:43

I think that is a minor notion of terminology. My impression (and I might be wrong about it) is that termas are usually the high 'end' (ie a bit nicer interior) termas. Keep in mind that 100Rs for a local is a lot of money, and for some close to one weeks salaries.

Regarding salaries...A maid could make as little as 100Rs/month + room and board while a university-educated professional can make 5-7000 Rs/month
"Termas" really just means "brothel", nothing else. The fact that 99% of the reports her on ISG about "Termas" refer to the high-end ones mostly frequented by tourists doesn't mean that cheap brothels don't refer to themselves as termas, too. Believe me, I have been to some downright scary "termas" :)

R$ 5000 to 7000 is a very very good salary in Rio and an awesome one in Brazil as a whole. As far as I understand it, college-educated professionals with a few years of experience can expect to get about R$ 1000 per month in Brazil, and maybe a bit more in Rio.

At 1am or 2 am, if they haven't picked up you have a good chance to negotiate that rate. Amybe not with all of them, again this is my experience.
Watching my back - excellent advice of course! I always have all valuables in a safe...
In my experience, believe me or not, I have never had a girl offering me R$ 50.00 for ST, let alone long-term, outside of Help, at Meia Pataca, or at Balcony, and R$ 100 ST was the lowest offer I ever received (and I speak fluent Portuguese, too). IMHO and in my experience, R$ 50.00 is so low that I would almost classify it in the category of "if it's too good to be true, it probably isn't" and start to worry that the girl has ulterior motives (setup with drugs, robbery, etc. etc.). I'd be reluctant to take her to my hotel (well, I don't like taking girls to my hotel, anyway).

I think the downtown area (the are near the Museum of Modern Art and the old down-town) is not that safe at night. I had heard of colleagues being mugged there in a matter of seconds with no gun and no violence.

Copa at night, if you walk away from the ocean 5-6 blocks towards the favelas, I think you start to push your luck. I also got the impression that the VM location -based on the descriptions- is not a safe one. At least I would take a taxoi to go there.
I think walking around for some time at night in Copa to get somewhere is dangerous wherever you are going. I have hung out quite a bit in the Bairro Peixoto area of Copa (near L'Uomo) at night for drinks, and it's not very different from hanging out at night at the usual Av. Atlantica joints. But to get from A to B, I would recommend taking a cab anywhere.

I don't know too much about the MOMA area at night, but downtown, especially on Friday evenings, I feel much safer walking between P4P joints and the metro than in Copa, to tell you the thruth. But of course, shit happens everywhere. Once, I was sitting on the corner of Rua Buenos Aires and Miguel Couto, sipping an Atlantica, when around the corner, a police chase ensued and a gunshot was fired. But then again, I have heard gunshots in Copacabana, too.

Needless to say, walking into small alleys or just walking to look for things for hours is not recommendable downtown. On weekends, yes, Centro is deserted and therefore dangeous, especially at night. But there is really no reason to go there, anyway (other than shopping at the SAARA market/Rua da Alfandega) during the day, with tons of people around.

Sperto

11-08-06, 14:05

The women in Ipanema, are more of less high end hos or very experieneced hos who are really after your wallet. They tend to be 8s to 10s in appearence.
Where are all these high end Ipanema-GPs working? I've only seen a couple of them frequenting some bars and clubs.

... they low end 'termas' do charge 15Rs for locals and 30Rs for foreigners...
I guess you just have been unlucky. I've never heard about these R$ 1/min-places overcharging gringos.

Regarding salaries...A maid could make as little as 100Rs/month + room and board while a university-educated professional can make 5-7000 Rs/month.
R$ 100/month! That's quite bad, regarding a salário mínimo is R$ 350.

Wear a tonga everywhere?
What is a "tonga"?

Rio Bob

11-08-06, 15:54

buying clothes at Rio Sul would dress one up as an upper middle class brazilian.....which is still a target. stuff in Rio Sul aint cheap by brazilian standards. :)

Ok, sounds like you now have your answer to your original question.

Member #4217

11-08-06, 15:57

On Monday, I went to VM in the evening. Yes, the short trip in is a bit more spooky at night! No way would I use the back door. Lots more music and girls. But, on Monday night, I saw nothing to take. I did notice a lot more girls coming in around 8.

Aparently these girls do not live there. They come there just like they do HELP. In fact many of these girls are X-HELP girls.

This is where they go when they can´t make money at HELP anymore!
I plan to go back on a more popular night! If you like the ho parties, you will like VM. Good fun, even if you do not take anyone!

Went to Termas 5o2. Again, about 30 girls, many of which were quite acceptable. Several told me that they used to be 4X4 girls, or other termas, but choose 502 because it is more relaxing on the time and rules.

They are having Halloween parties at 502 8, 9 and 10 Nov. They promise more p*ssy than you could normally see. And, on Sat they are having a Nov 11 party. Same story! I will probaly go try it out tonight.

My Felinas girl is staying for the week for $R300. She says that they only get $R50 for each trip! Agency thinks her kid is sick. In fact, tyonight she is going to her house, so I am going oooouuuuttt! Need some variety!

My cute little choco girl from earlier keeps calling me. Maybe I will add some more time in fopr her!

See pics in photo section! I f*cked Crazy Monica´s long time friend. She tells me that she really does have a family history of mental desease"! This is why she has no friends! She causes problems for everyone! Watch out for her at HELP! I put a photo of both in the photo section!

I have to say, that Vila HELP and Vila Mimosa are both 2 very similar places. One place, they are all dressed up, and more expensive. And, the other, no window dressing! Just down right hard pussy!

Tom

Tricksta

11-08-06, 17:55

Rio Bob

11-08-06, 18:01

What is a "tonga"?

A tonga is what they used to call a dental floss bikini.

The Greek

11-08-06, 18:49

A tonga is what they used to call a dental floss bikini.The story I heard is that it was invented by a brazilian gay guy from the airforce who wore it first in Ipanema. I am not sure how much of it is true.

The Greek

11-08-06, 18:57

R$ 100/month! That's quite bad, regarding a salário mínimo is are$ 350. Sperto,

You are absolutely right. But the minimal wage laws do not guarantee that people don't work for less.

To the best of my knowledge that it the 'standard' salary of a living-in maid. I had ex-colleagues from Accenture in San Paolo (software project managers) who were makijng 5-6000 Rs and some even more. I also looked for jobs at the high-tech sector in SP, and the salaries can get quite high. Also in Salvador, I new engineeres making 4-5000/month, while there 1-1. 500 is considered a very very good salary.

Again, these are what I have been told or come across.

Whatever, definitely 100-200$/night is a lot to pay to a girl in Help, considering the national income level.

Enjoy Brazil!

S

Sperto

11-08-06, 20:09

A tonga is what they used to call a dental floss bikini.
Thank you, I always thought that was called "tanga". :)

Rio Bob

11-08-06, 21:15

Thank you, I always thought that was called "tanga". :)

Ouch, that was a trap.

Sprite13

11-09-06, 07:44

I was reading and then saw a comment by someone, don't remember who saying the non-pro he was with, he was paying for all the meals and thus, she could be a semi-pro. Now question: what is exactly considered a semi-pro? A non pro for whom you pay the drinks/meals and ticket for movies and shows? If that were the case, then aren't all girls semi-pros? Even girlfriends that you take out say to a dinner/movie/show and you pay for the drinks/meals/tickets to the movies/shows etc...

So, gents, what is exactly a semi-pro and what is exactly a non-pro? Where does the line end from one category to the next?

Sperto

11-09-06, 09:18

Monger 3

11-09-06, 15:45

I would like to categorize the brazilian women:
1. Girl without no interest at all in gringos.
2. Girl with interest in gringos just because of the attraction. Just wants a romance or a sexual encounter, nothing else.
3. Girl with interest in gringos. Will be your GF and hoping for marriage.
4. Piranha. Don't charge money, but will expect fancy dinners, expensive presents and shopping.
5. Girl with a regular job. Works occasional as GP to pay her bills.
6. Full-time GP.

I would divide them as:
Non-pro: 1, 2 and 3 (no 3 almost falling into next category)
Semi-pro: 4
Pro: 5 and 6

- Paying for meals, cinema and some small presents doesn't make the girl anything else than a non-pro. This is just a way of being a gentleman.
- A semi-pro will not charge money but will insist on getting everything she points at (new dress, jewellery or a new house to her mother). If the gifts stops coming she will be gone in seconds.
- A girl becomes a pro when she starts charging money for sex.

I would actually consider #5 as semi-pro. I've had experiences with chicas who were restaurant workers, hotelerias, or even teachers that *hung* out with me for either a short stay or a few days...and I gave them *gifts* afterwards. The best is when you have a cute hotel worker make her housekeeping rounds and stop by your room for a "nice tip." I guess any chick that gets up everyday for a real job, but still does a little GDP is a semi-pro, not a pro.

I think these chicks are less "pro" than your Piranha classification, who doesnt explicity ask for anything, but would not let you leave without giving her something (cash, dinner, trips, etc.).

Jose Lima

11-09-06, 21:03

I would like to categorize the brazilian women:
1. Girl without no interest at all in gringos.
2. Girl with interest in gringos just because of the attraction. Just wants a romance or a sexual encounter, nothing else.
3. Girl with interest in gringos. Will be your GF and hoping for marriage.
4. Piranha. Don't charge money, but will expect fancy dinners, expensive presents and shopping.
5. Girl with a regular job. Works occasional as GP to pay her bills.
6. Full-time GP.

I would divide them as:
Non-pro: 1, 2 and 3 (no 3 almost falling into next category)
Semi-pro: 4
Pro: 5 and 6

- Paying for meals, cinema and some small presents doesn't make the girl anything else than a non-pro. This is just a way of being a gentleman.
- A semi-pro will not charge money but will insist on getting everything she points at (new dress, jewellery or a new house to her mother). If the gifts stops coming she will be gone in seconds.
- A girl becomes a pro when she starts charging money for sex.

This is an awsome quote. What is the funniest thing is that you can substitute brazilian and just add any other country you want. This works with American,dominican,european and or jewish women also. Anyway you look at it you end up with some chick that doesnt much care about you and has some type of motive. So it might as well be a hot brazilian girl then a pale, overweight, chick from Jersey with a mother in law that you cant stand.

Hey guys what i have learned in my lifetime(26 years, over 30 trips to brazil, colombia, dominican republic,US(miami NYC etc....)) is that ALL AND I MEAN ALL WOMEN HAVE A MOTIVE and besides your mom none really give a shit about you; just themselves. If you get caught up in it you will end up depressed in a hotel suite with 2 chicks smoking joint and drinking a liter of wiskey a day crying in a corner about how your life sucks.(been there done that)Best thing to do is accept it and have fun for yourself. I dont care where she is from she aint jumping in your grave when its time to check out so you might as well look out for Numero Un

Dick N Cider

11-09-06, 23:56

This is an awsome quote. What is the funniest thing is that you can substitute brazilian and just add any other country you want. This works with American,dominican,european and or jewish women also. Anyway you look at it you end up with some chick that doesnt much care about you and has some type of motive. So it might as well be a hot brazilian girl then a pale, overweight, chick from Jersey with a mother in law that you cant stand.

Hey guys what i have learned in my lifetime(26 years, over 30 trips to brazil, colombia, dominican republic,US(miami NYC etc....)) is that ALL AND I MEAN ALL WOMEN HAVE A MOTIVE and besides your mom none really give a shit about you; just themselves. If you get caught up in it you will end up depressed in a hotel suite with 2 chicks smoking joint and drinking a liter of wiskey a day crying in a corner about how your life sucks.(been there done that)Best thing to do is accept it and have fun for yourself. I dont care where she is from she aint jumping in your grave when its time to check out so you might as well look out for Numero UnAmen Brah! No truer words have been spoken!

El Austriaco

11-10-06, 00:03

I would actually consider #5 as semi-pro. I've had experiences with chicas who were restaurant workers, hotelerias, or even teachers that *hung* out with me for either a short stay or a few days...and I gave them *gifts* afterwards. The best is when you have a cute hotel worker make her housekeeping rounds and stop by your room for a "nice tip." I guess any chick that gets up everyday for a real job, but still does a little GDP is a semi-pro, not a pro.

I think these chicks are less "pro" than your Piranha classification, who doesnt explicity ask for anything, but would not let you leave without giving her something (cash, dinner, trips, etc.).
P4P means pay for play, sex for money. I think that any women that offers sex for money (rather than a relationship for money), whether that money is to come upfront, afterwards, even without direct upfront negotation but at least heavily implied, is a pro. There are pros, and there are non-pros. Easy as that. Pros may differ in terms of how they approach you, but the expectation, stated or not, is still to get paid for what they do.

I think that the concept of a "semi-pro" is actually a figment of mongers' imaginations, more than anything: mongers that like to feel that they are not really mongers, not in terms of straightforward money for sex, anyway. We shall call them "semi-mongers". You will notice that a semi-monger is just as hard to define as a "semi-pro", and just like girls like to believe that they are not really pros ("I like the guy anyway, but since I am in a financial bind, and he has some cash, why not charge him?", some guys just like to believe that they are somehow not really paying for it ("She likes me, anyway, but she is just a poor girl needing some financial help, so why not help her out? I am a nice guy, you know.")

I think some people use the term "semipro" to refer to the extent of involvement of the girl in P4P. Obviously, when a girl still works a job and just does tricks on the side, due to time constraints, she is less involved in prostitution than a girl hanging out in Copacabana all day long searching for johns. But the crucial factor here really is how much of her livelihood she derives from P4P, not time spent on it. Believe me, any girl working a R$ 300 job 9-5 who is turning tricks in the tourist segment in Copacabana is NOT moonlighting in P4P: P4P is her career (and the regular job might just be there to keep up appearances). If she is smart, sooner or later she will come to the conclusion that her regular job is just a waste of time that could be spent much more profitably looking for johns FT. I fully agree with Sperto on this one (number 5), she is a pro. Maybe less hardened, but a pro.

Or perhaps the term "semipro" covers the transitional area on the continuum between non-pros (regular girls) on one end and hardcore pros (FT professional hookers) on the other, the gray area that most people usually refer to as simply "gold diggers". Obviously, what constitutes gold-digging to some may just be a perfectly normal "get a well-to-do BF scheme" for others.

Back in 2004, I was sitting at Veranda Help one Saturday night with a German guy I had met a MP earlier that day and a bunch of acquaintances (my "GF" and some of her friends, other mongers and their hooker aquaintances). He became interested in a girl he liked, and she told him "Well, I have hardly ever been her, I live in Copacabana with my Mom, I am student, I do this on the side when I need money for school, blablabla). I had to shake my head a bit, but I couldn't really say that she was lying (I had seen her around on very few occasions; but she clearly wasn't one of the Copa regulars). So he took off with her to a love motel after negotiating a two-hour deal. One hour later, she was back, scanning the Veranda sobre as Ondas restaurant for more mongers... so much about "working a bit on the side".

I also remember one of my best Rio expatriate friends last year. There was a girl he had liked quite a bit among the VH crowd, a girl he used to pick quite a bit for R$ 100 for ST at his place. At one point in time, he wanted to make her his regular GF, and he understood that he needed to support her financially. When he asked how much, she said R$ 5000 per month. I was there when she told him in his face.

One huge problem here is also that guys always like to neatly classify the girls, almost like in a static snapshot, while in reality, everything is very dynamic: girls change over time and, more importantly, change their attitude depending on you and what they can (or hope to) get out of you. Sometimes at a moment's notice. There are all shades of grey out there.

It's all perception, guys. And you can be sure that the girls are very adept at changing their shade as they size you up. In other words, changing how they are perceived to get what they are looking for.

EA

Jan 156

11-10-06, 00:29

Aparently these girls do not live there. They come there just like they do HELP. In fact many of these girls are X-HELP girls.

This is where they go when they can´t make money at HELP anymore!

I plan to go back on a more popular night! If you like the ho parties, you will like VM. Good fun, even if you do not take anyone!

TomIt depends. Some of them do live there. Can't remember the casa numbers without looking them up but some of them have a floor above the business floor or other rooms where girls live. I saw one girl's room and it was like a leap into another world, she had done it up so beautifully (not expensive, just clean and with a lot of care). At least one of the casas has a live-in arrangement and controls the take out price if a girl goes back to your apartment (I'd sometimes arrive early evening and wait while a particular girl woke up and got made up). It's up to the girls. Rather noisy unless you can sleep in the day though.

Girls that are successful at Help mostly are either centrefold looks or speak at least some reasonable English. Help is an expensive investment (travel, entrance, drinks). There's good looking girls at VM who just would not know how to work the punters and compete well enough to earn a living at Help. The top girsl at Help are also good at 'displaying class' (real or not). Only a few of the girls at VM (and there are a few) can pull that off - mostly they don't have the social skills. I know one or two girls who work in VM or Copa depending how the mood takes them.

Jan 156

11-10-06, 00:42

tom & jerry:

How does one "dress" to look Brazilian?Buy your stuff there. There is not much call to arrive with more than carry on luggage I find (if I do some shopping, a cheap hold-all will serve as check in baggage for the return).

As someone mentioned already, C&A is a good bet. The only non-Brasilian clothes I tend to wear in Rio are some Rohan bags with lots of hidden pockets, loops for attaching pocket chains to etc.

Your essentials include:

One pair of shorts. If you didn't buy them in Rio, forget it - non Brasil shorts look naff. A mid-range pair is good - reasonably trendy for the beach but not so showy as to shout money. Check for pockets you can put things in (if you plan to be around much, check for things like lining you can pick to make hidden pockets for a few Real).

One pair cheap Brasilian flip-flops. Preferably blue.
Unfortunately these need a bit of practice for things like running away across Copa's uneven pavements (you soon learn to look where you put your feet) so a pair of trainers is good too. Same story - get a mid-range pair. I like ones where you can lift the insole and hide money.

One sleeveless t-shirt. Preferably blue, and having a logo/design that has something to do with surfing or martial arts. Bought in Rio of course.

One button-up shirt, either with short sleeves or sleeves you can roll up. A C&A job will do. A button up shirt is generally considered classier (eg for pulling girls).

One pair of swimming trunks (the tight sort you wouldn't be seen dead in at home!)

Get a tan.

That's all . . . (literally!)

Veterano

11-10-06, 01:44

"Semi-mongers" ~ that's good EA

El Austriaco

11-10-06, 02:10

Buy your stuff there.
... and buy it where the locals buy. Take the metro to the Uruguaiana station in Centro and shop at the SAARA market/Rua da Alfandega. Half price for the usual souvenirs vendors offer you in Copa (because that´s where they buy it, too), and you will find everything else you will ever need in Rio: shoes, flip-flops, shorts, soccer shirts, T-shirts, regular shirts, cheap watches, luggage, whatever not. And the money you save might give you a free trip to 4X4 or at least one of the tons of cheap termas in that area.

EA

Member #4156

11-10-06, 02:31

It's all perception, guys. And you can be sure that the girls are very adept at changing their shade as they size you up. In other words, changing how they are perceived to get what they are looking for.

EA
Perception is Reality.

Jan 156

11-10-06, 03:06

Several excellent books have been recommended in the various reports. Unless you are doing a very basic in-out quick monger experience, it's worth discovering that Rio is a fabulous city for other things as well. Or if you are doing some serious mongering, you may want to find your way about other than by taxi.

The more research you do before you go, the more fun you'll probably have, and the less overwhelmed you'll feel by this amazing, very fast, and very big, city.

Of the various city guides, I personally recommend Lonely Planet Rio de Janeiro (read it several times before you go!) It has a good, well-cross-indexed map section so you can plan your day/evening with mongering and sightseeing and restaurants etc.

Earlier this year, I saw a book available that's quite good if you need to get to grips with Rio ways quickly and without spending a lot of time reading. It's called Rio for Partiers. It's one of those books that you can still use to find where you need to go if you're hung over from the night before. You can buy this in Rio (eg the all night internet cafe at the eastern end of Av.N.S. Copa sells it).

For those planning to stay a bit longer, I recommend getting Ruas de Rio de Janeiro. If you ask for an A-Z or street index they probably won't know what you mean. This is what it's called. In Portuguese, but easy enough to follow so you can always find places, even tiny side-streets.

Charm City Dave

11-10-06, 04:07

I am hoping that a Rio expert can answer this question. I ask this question because I do not see too much written about this agency or its girls anywhere on this forum. And I also ask this question because I am dazzled by the pictures of, for example, Manu, Clarice, Sarah and Dany -- so much so that I may want one of them to be my first "guest" when I arrive in Rio on Nov 16 in the late morning. I also see no reviews of these particular girls on sites like gpguia.net. Please share your insights on Karla Models / Scort Show.

Tricksta, look in the escort board and you'll find plenty of reviews on Karla's girls. No they don't look like the photo's. They are of the girls but they are photoshopped. Expect darker and heavier then most of the photo's. Still most of the girls are at least somewhat attractive (think 6 - 7 not 8 - 10). Every now and then they get a looker, but usually they don't stay there long when they find out they can make more at higher cost places.

Stay safe in Rio (read the crime and saftey pages). It is not Disney land. I go there occasionally for business and enjoy some distractions when I do, but would never go there just for a vacation (others will disagree).

Yada Yada Yada

RioThaiGuy

11-10-06, 05:25

Thanks for the quick response. I will be there next week and look forward to trying some of these places out.

In centro the options are endless. I see on destack that some of the casas are in Tijuca, and I am sure there are many privates in Tijuca that have never made this board. Unless we have Carioca in the forum, do we have one?, We will never scratch the surface of what Rio has to offer. I went to Tijuca, not Barra Tijuca, the other day and the true Carioca girls on the street are fantastic, I thought much better than Copa. I felt Tijuca was safe during the day. Go there and have a nice lunch, just take the line 1 subway all the way to the end and exit, lots of people and restaurants, very cool!

I was looking at a arial map of Rio the other day, and if you look at centro, and zona sul together, it is about 30% of Rio's land coverage, so 70% has never been mentioned in this forum, but I have to add, the 70% unexplored by us, would not be safe without an escort, it would be some areas gringos would want to tread lightly.

If you have some time, look at destack.com.br and the massage section, look at all of the massage cards, some of these we have discovered, but many we have not.

I try to call a few each week, and many are the same owners, and the girls rotate around, from casa to casa. Sometimes I purposely go to a casa to avoid seeing a girl, and there she is in a new lineup.

I think Full Throttle and others are beginning to get a good list of addresses started. So we are starting to get a good idea of what is in Centro, but we have a long ways to go. Maybe we need a centro thread, to help organize the info.

As FT said, accross the tracks,(across Ave Pres Vargas) we found many stairways leading to houses of sin, most were not good, but a step above the BA 85 and Carioca 59 styles places. The vanessa place, see FT 's report, was as good as you will find for $R20 all included.

And Wiskaria Aquarious, Tues - Friday, before 3pm is really a good deal, $R30 for 20 min.

Ok, good luck and please use good manners in Centro, so we will always be welcomed back when we visit, it is good for all of us. That is one of the best parts about the casas in Centro, no negotiations, one fixed price. You will find that if you are a repeat visitor in Cenro you are treated like gold, huge smiles all around for return visits!

IBZ

Jan 156

11-10-06, 05:35

I've just made a map for personal use - was going to post it to the list but when I resize to the required max pixels it is not readable. I've indexed the places using the map grid reference

For those that buy a Ruas Rio de Janeiro (streetmap):
The map I've made is by pasting together pp106&107 (2004 edition in case it's changed - the 2 Centro pages anyway)

*Rio Branco 156 (3320, 2328, 2240, 1833, 1825, 1706) [65R/30m]
*Rua da Carioca 59 [R10/10m] F9
*Rua Uruguaiana 24 [R18/15m] 10am-8pm F9
*Rua Buenos Aires 85 [R10/10m] 10am-8pm E9
*Rua Buenos Aires 113 [R10/10m] 9am-9pm E9
*Rua do Ouvidor 130, apt.707 [R20/15m] 10-6.30pm E1
*Travessa do Ouvidor 37 [R30/15m] F1
*116 Espaço Oceanic, Rua da Conceição (between Rua Teófilo
Otoni and Av. Marechal Floriano) [R15/15m] E8
*Club das Danadinhas, Rua do Acre 35 [R20/20m] Noon-Mid'nt D9
*Marechal Floreano No.1 (corner of Miguel Couto / Marechal
Floreano on Largo de Santa Rita) [30R/20m] D9
*Presidente Vargas 590, apt.1317 E9
*Rua Evaristo da Veiga, 47 (apt 501, 502, 701, 702) H1
*Rua Santa Luzia 405 (4th floor, apt.29) G3
*Av Treze de Maio 47 (apt.708, 2408) G1

*Termas 65, Rua do Rosario 65 [60R entry + R190/40m] E1
*Quatro por Quatro, Rua Buenos Aires 44 [30R entry after 5pm +
R170/1hr] 2pm-m'night E9
*Termas Rua de Alfandega 502 [10R entry + R77/20m, R112/1hr]
*Termas Aquarios, Rua do Acre 61 [entry 20R + 90R/40m] D9
*Rua Alcântara Machado 31 [entry 6R + 40R/20m] D9
*Rua Mairink Veiga 30 D9
*Termas Rua Buenos Aires 21, 2nd floor [entry 20R + 130R/1hr]
*Boate Flórida Praça Mauá 9 [entry 10R + 65R/30m] C9

This is a 'handy list' to carry around in town and not meant to be definitive. If anyone can put a post up explaining or permitting me to post a 1,787Kb file, I'll post the map (which shows all teh streetnames with highlighter on the ones of 'interest'!)

The Greek

11-10-06, 06:56

I would like to categorize the brazilian women:

1. Girl without no interest at all in gringos.
2. Girl with interest in gringos just because of the attraction. Just wants a romance or a sexual encounter, nothing else.
3. Girl with interest in gringos. Will be your GF and hoping for marriage.
4. Piranha. Don't charge money, but will expect fancy dinners, expensive presents and shopping.
5. Girl with a regular job. Works occasional as GP to pay her bills.
6. Full-time GP.

I would divide them as:
Non-pro: 1, 2 and 3 (no 3 almost falling into next category)
Semi-pro: 4
Pro: 5 and 6

- Paying for meals, cinema and some small presents doesn't make the girl anything else than a non-pro. This is just a way of being a gentleman.
- A semi-pro will not charge money but will insist on getting everything she points at (new dress, jewellery or a new house to her mother). If the gifts stops coming she will be gone in seconds.
- A girl becomes a pro when she starts charging money for sex.Akthough I mostly agree with that classification, I think there must be a 'category' between #3 and #4. There are the hos who are straightforward, ask for a price and stick with it, whatever extra you might ask. If they are into it, they don't ask for more money...

I also have 2 more 'examples':

A. Girls /hos who wehn you take them out to dinner too they order a normal meal and other who will try to order as much as they can at the maximum possible price (not that a few extra Rs will break your bank - I am reffering to an attitude here). The last ones are what I call piranhas.

B. I also had girls who after the first night payment, having something 'clicked' between us, they never asked money again except 5-10 Rs in the mornign/noon to take a taxo home to go change clothes. What category will you assign to these girls? Aren't they semi-pros?

S

Sperto

11-10-06, 08:31

Piranha: (Serrasalmus nattereri/Pygocentrus nattereri) beautiful fish with a bad (and over exaggerated) reputation of being very aggressive. Good to eat, but lots of bones.

Piranha is also a word for a girl that will f**k around. Usually with the purpose of receiving something in return.

Girls /hos who wehn you take them out to dinner too they order a normal meal and other who will try to order as much as they can at the maximum possible price (not that a few extra Rs will break your bank - I am reffering to an attitude here). The last ones are what I call piranhas.
Yes, they are indeed piranhas.

I also had girls who after the first night payment, having something 'clicked' between us, they never asked money again except 5-10 Rs in the mornign/noon to take a taxo home to go change clothes. What category will you assign to these girls? Aren't they semi-pros?
These girls are a strange breed. I have "GFs" working Help and VM who does this sex-for-free. Why? No idea, maybe they enjoy the company? That would be a #6 acting as a #2. A pro pretending to be Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman?

If you're careful, piranhas can be a good thing. You don't want to end up walking in Rio Sul carrying all her shopping bags, while she's heading to next shop carrying your wallet.

You have to be a Pirarara (Phractocephalus hemioliopterus). A big catfish in the Amazon that eats piranhas (and everything else that enter his mouth). If you are smarter than the piranha you'll get your sex for free. Afterwards when she starts to tell you about her plans for shopping and all her fake bills, then it's time to show her that the Bank is closed. Beijo Sexo e Tchau.

Maybe not a nice manner. But if her purpose is to fool me and use me I'll have no second thoughts by doing the same to her.

Sperto

11-10-06, 09:09

Dressing the way the brazilians do will help you not to stick out as a big filet mignon asking to be mugged.

As mentioned before C&A and SAARA are good for shopping.
If you need cool shorts, shirts etc I recommend the shops in the Surfer-Galleria close to the Bingo Hall/Arpoador, the galleria on Rua Visconde de Pirajá 550 and for cheaper options Rua Santa Clara 33.

Havaianas is a must. When you master the art of running with slippery Havaianas in heavy rain you will be well awarded.

Just as important as how to dress, is how to NOT dress to avoid sticking out. It's painfully embarrasing seeing gringos in Copa dressed in a pair of Capoeira-trousers, a brazilian world cup shirt (Ronaldinho written on the back), a Copacabana cap (with colourful parrots) and a Othon Palace towel slung over their shoulders.

Swimming trunks, buy the brazilian style and leave your fio dental at home.

Pockets. I prefer surfer shorts with minimum of pockets. Less pockets means less places to put money and therefore less interest for the muggers. Put your money/wallet on the inside of your shorts.

Most important of all, as Christopherd said, get a tan.

Sperto

11-10-06, 09:17

It depends. Some of them do live there. Can't remember the casa numbers without looking them up but some of them have a floor above the business floor or other rooms where girls live.
Quite a few of the VM casas have a top floor where the girls bunk. When I go for a early afternoon-quickie I sometimes have to invade their small quarters and wake them up.

Lorenzo

11-10-06, 09:18

4. Piranha. Don't charge money, but will expect fancy dinners, expensive presents and shopping.
5. Girl with a regular job. Works occasional as GP to pay her bills.
6. Full-time GP.

Since we're engaging in a lot of hairsplitting and pigeonholing here, all of which I have found quite entertaining, I might as well join in. Let me propose the following: why not call #4 a courtesan, and #5 and #6 prostitutes? After all, #4 is in the classic European tradition of such courtesans as Madame DuBarry and Madame Pompadour, and fictional characters such as Violetta in La Traviata, all of whom would no doubt have been insulted if they had been offered money, but expected to be lavished with expensive gifts, and would accept money if it were offered. Japanese geishas would also fall into the courtesan category. So would the so-called "kept" woman. Holly Golightly in "Breakfast at Tiffany's" fell about halfway between these two categories; she never asked the men for money in exchange for sex, but when she was out to dinner with them she would excuse herself and ask for some "change" for the powder room. Needless to say, he was expected to give her a lot more than just change.

Courtesans differ from prostitutes in two important ways. First, they are "paid" with goods and services (e.g., expensive trips) rather than with money. Second, they are expected to provide the man with more than sex. They are expected to entertain and amuse the man, to provide companship, and to have some brains, talent, and conversational ability. The geishas are expert at this and usually master a musical instrument, singing, poetry, and dancing.

Needless to say, courtesans are somewhat rare, but they can be found. I submit that the "piranhas" might be considered courtesans, provided that they do it with some class. They must never ask for money, but will accept it if offered ("buy yourself some clothes for our trip, querida.") I was successful once in turning a Rio prostitute into a courtesan and had a relationship with her that spanned several years. If you find someone you really like, this may be the best way to go. She'll provide you with companionship as well as sex. If you need diversity, you can always cheat.

Lorenzo

Sperto

11-10-06, 09:20

If anyone can put a post up explaining or permitting me to post a 1,787Kb file, I'll post the map (which shows all teh streetnames with highlighter on the ones of 'interest'!)
Try Photoshop, "Save for web", that will get down the size.

Java Man

11-10-06, 09:36

anyone noticed that Brazil went into daylight savings time and move their clocks forward 1 hour? they're now 3 hrs ahead of US eastern time zone.

El Austriaco

11-10-06, 09:56

Let me propose the following: why not call #4 a courtesan, and #5 and #6 prostitutes? After all, #4 is in the classic European tradition of such courtesans as Madame DuBarry and Madame Pompadour, and fictional characters such as Violetta in La Traviata, all of whom would no doubt have been insulted if they had been offered money, but expected to be lavished with expensive gifts, and would accept money if it were offered.
Absolutely. Remember the reaction when at the end of Act II of Verdi's La Traviata, Alfredo throws money at Violetta's feet and calls upon everyone to be witness that he "has paid her in full"? Everyone, including Germont, Alfredo's father, reacts in total outrage: Germont even declares that Alfredo is not his son any more. And Alfredo knew what an affront it would be.

BTW, while Violetta in the opera is fictional, yes, the "Maguerite Gautier" in Alexandre Dumas' play "La Dame aux Camélias" was not. Apparently, she is based on Marie Duplessis, the real life lover of the author.

While I am at it, would love to see a Traviata in a modern Rio/Help setting one day. Just goes to show that some stories truly are timeless :)

Holly Golightly in "Breakfast at Tiffany's" fell about halfway between these two categories; she never asked the men for money in exchange for sex, but when she was out to dinner with them she would excuse herself and ask for some "change" for the powder room. Needless to say, he was expected to give her a lot more than just change.
Reminds me of a story a friend of mine in San Francisco told me once about his first trip to Thailand, where girls would ask for "cab money" in the morning. He just couldn't understand their bewildered faces when he ended up giving them a few Baht for a tuk-tuk. But ultimately, he got the meaning of "cab money".

Courtesans differ from prostitutes in two important ways. First, they are "paid" with goods and services (e.g., expensive trips) rather than with money. Second, they are expected to provide the man with more than sex. They are expected to entertain and amuse the man, to provide companship, and to have some brains, talent, and conversational ability.
In that case, I would almost call them "executive-type" escorts today. Never heard of any that would recite poetry or play a musical instrument, but hey, who knows.

EA

El Austriaco

11-10-06, 10:07

Mangera

11-10-06, 13:59

Great list Sperto. I enjoy your reports. I think a #4 type is a worldy epidemic among every living female species on this planet. Pro, Non-pro, latina, gringa, black, white, fat, skinny, smart, idiotic, sweetheart, slavedriver, bacteria (lol), etc.... If its a female, its a #4. :)

Mangera

11-10-06, 14:01

Thanks for the time update.

Mangera

11-10-06, 14:24

Your description of a sense that you "clicked with her" and did not pay for the deed, is awkward, and I have experienced it too. Initially, I just take it as a setup where the garota is providing the GFE. At some point in the near future she will be expecting you to compensate one way or another. For example, by paying some of her bills, or an emergency that popped up, or some form of payment. Again, this is just at a superficial level. I could be wrong.

Then again, brasilian gdp's are so good at providing gfe in camparison to any in the world, that sometimes you may fall into that mindframe that she actually likes you so much for who you are, and its just a wonderful romance. I am sure there have been some cases like this, but I don't kid myself, its all about the money.

To be honest with you, I have had this happen a few times, where its to the point that I have to snap out of it, and realize that this is all a game and deal with reality. This intial trap is created by the so called free sex. I must say I have always taken it to the limit, and then just cutting her off. The limit, meaning that I get a feeling or hunch of when she is about to bring up the scenario where she has a family member with medical problems, or she needs a bill to be paid, or straight out cash.

Nothing is for free, so its ok to pay her in some way, shape or form, but becareful. When you do not pay her with cash, but you pay for her bills or other financial needs, that tends to strengthen the idea that it is not a gdp/monger relationship, but more of a boyfriend/girlfriend scenario. Hence, this is what you should avoid. Easier said than done when she is a hot, sexy, smart with that amazing bunda, and you "click".

Psriches

11-10-06, 18:49

anyone noticed that Brazil went into daylight savings time and move their clocks forward 1 hour? They're now 3 hrs ahead of US Eastern Standard Time.So when does it change back??

Lorenzo

11-10-06, 20:37

While I am at it, would love to see a Traviata in a modern Rio/Help setting one day. Just goes to show that some stories truly are timeless :)

EA
Great idea, EA! Who knows, it could happen, especially when you consider some of the opera productions I've seen over the years (Rigoletto as a Hollywood agent, with the Duke as a ruthless producer; Don Giovanni as a Mafia don; Wagner's Ring Cycle with Wotan as a wealthy industrialist, etc.). A Rio-based Traviata could have the Act I drinking song and the subsequent flirtations between Alfredo and Violetta take place at Help!, and the rest could be left to the imagination.

Lorenzo

Member #4217

11-10-06, 21:26

I was in HELP last night, and gave a good 2 hours to working a nice blond down from $R400 to $R150. As we were dancing and the place was thinning out, it was clear what I was doing to any male standing there. When she came down to the $R200, I walked away as I always do at this point after long hard negotiation. It is the fun of the game!

When I looked back at her, as expected, she signaled to return, and O K! As I was approaching, some shit dick, walked up behind her, whispered something into her ear, she responded, there was a nodd, and out the door they went very fast!

As I had seen this guy watching us dance, I know damn well he knew exactly what was going on! I do not know how much she asked for, and he accepted, but he knew he was cutting a fellow mongerer!

If you read this, tell us all who you are so we know what kind of dirt to avoid!

Sorry for blowing it here, but I hope this ass reads this!

Tom

Carlos Primeros

11-10-06, 22:14

Hi Mangera,

I had mixed expriences.

I am not the youngest monger and years ago I met a GP whicht turned in a real GF to me. She was working on the side as a GP and studying medicine and dental medicine for several years. I treated her well, supported her and today she is a dental MD. The funny thing is - she had enough cocks in her life and is not really intereested anymore in this game. When I come to Rio and I decide to stay with her, I am a more than wellcome guest, I do not need to rent a car, I do not need to rent a hotel, I stay with her as her friend/lover. We go out in the evening, we have fun, we make love. She told me after all the years that she does not want to get jealous and she does not want to know if I do the mongering game. But if I monger, please go to a motel!
This is a very example how a GP can turn into something very special. This relations lasts now for 7 years. Maybe I am simply lucky. I do not know.
The first time I met her at Centaurus and today we go to Angra or to Buzios if she and I have time. She is independent and does not need my money anymore. She will come now to Europe for some winter-holidays in Austria/skiing in December. What do I need to tell more? this is a very positive thing about GdP which show their real value. I think that this is certainly not the average, but the exception - but look for te exception.

I think that I have the better part of life and of the girls from Rio - I thank fate and also god!

Carlos Primers
King of Portugal in Exile (unfortunately not all the time in Rio)

The Greek

11-11-06, 10:15

Your description of a sense that you "clicked with her" and did not pay for the deed, is awkward, and I have experienced it too. Initially, I just take it as a setup where the garota is providing the GFE. At some point in the near future she will be expecting you to compensate one way or another. For example, by paying some of her bills, or an emergency that popped up, or some form of payment. Again, this is just at a superficial level. I could be wrong.Mangera,

The 'clicking' as happened to me a few times (the first time I almost found myself falling in love with someone I just paid 50 Rs for a night), and I have never been asked money after the first night, nor for bills or other 'unforeseen exepenses. At least not in Brazil.

On the other hand, in my travles to Africa (Ghana, Gambia, S. Africa), after the clicking, and especially th eday before you fly back, I have almost always asked for money directly or indirectly (eg she needs a new blue jean or dress or hair extention for the 'x' religious celebration next week or to buy a mobile to call me, or whatever.

Although both Africans and Brazilians can be very hot and fun, I find Brazilian chickas to be more direct if they want something and less annoying ...perhaps a bit more indepedent.

Again, this has been my personal experience.

RexG

11-11-06, 15:43

I just had brunch there.

Rex

WSJ3

11-11-06, 17:12

I just had brunch there.

Rex

I am not surprised I saw them working on Meia all last week when I was in the land of Milk and Honey.

Java Man

11-11-06, 22:49

RexG:
i'm curious as to the improvements to MP. care to post a couple of pics of the place?
thanks

Mangera

11-11-06, 23:26

Gentlemen, I was checking out garotas online and one escort agency in Rio that was offering services and prices, and ran into a term called "swing". It costs 150R. Anyone know what that means? Thanks

Rio Bob

11-12-06, 00:26

Rio Bob

11-12-06, 00:29

Gentlemen, I was checking out garotas online and one escort agency in Rio that was offering services and prices, and ran into a term called "swing". It costs 150R. Anyone know what that means? Thanks

Well, without seeing the website and just taking a guess with risk of taking it out of context this usually means some form of group sex. Switching partners more or less, Swinging.

Sperto

11-12-06, 01:57

Don't be sorry. That's just a part of the game.

Next time you let Mr Shit Dick feed her with some Red Bull/Vodka and Red Label. Then you make a go for her when she's heading to the toilet.

By the way, always have a Plan A, B and C.

Member #4217

11-12-06, 14:42

I respect your technique, I have a couple of questions:

What time of night did this happen?

After you lost her was there anything else left in the place that you could do or was she the last nice one there?It was getting late. I did take one back to my apartment and had a good time, but it was not the quality that I had planned on.

It takes a litle work to get what I want at the price I am willing to pay.

There are just a lot of tourist in town right now who are on a week long vacation willing to pay these prices.

I am here for the long run. I can not afford to pay these prices every day, so I work at it a little. Part of the fun of the game!

Tom

Member #4217

11-12-06, 14:46

Gentlemen, I was checking out garotas online and one escort agency in Rio that was offering services and prices, and ran into a term called "swing". It costs 150R. Anyone know what that means? ThanksHere swing means that there are 2 of you, males, or mixed who want 1 or more girls at R150 each.

If you want 2 girls to do dupla, you have to pay for both girls, and specifically ask if they do "each other!"

Tom

Note: I did VM on a Sat night! There are lots of girls who could easily do HELP on these nights.

Will organize some sort of report later,

Tom

Pana Nyc

11-12-06, 20:25

Mangera

11-12-06, 23:50

Thanks for the response about "swing". Laters.

Exec Talent

11-13-06, 04:53

I spent a little time at L'uomo the last few days and they were having a hard time keeping Red Bull in stock. Prices just went up, so now a Red Bull goes for R$15. It is bad enough when the girl you are with orders one; but I saw several times girls playing the "you want two girls game" then asking the guy to buy her a drink and running off with his key. Back she comes with Red Bull in hand.

It used to be that you could count on L'uomo girls to be pretty cool. No so any more. There are a lot of girls working there now who are former Help regulars. Scamming habits die hard. Also, management is policing the girls and demanding that they take guys to rooms or move on so the girls are becoming more aggressive and not as friendly.

Given the great scouting reports on Centro and the large number of escort services on the internet, many guys may want to consider whether L'uomo is the best use of their dollars. The last two nights the showers weren't even hot!

Mr Enternational

11-13-06, 07:51

Note: I did VM on a Sat night! There are lots of girls who could easily do HELP on these nights.

Will organize some sort of report later,

Tom[/QUOTE]I know many VM girls who do Help. Most of the time they don't waste the money going in though. They will just stay outside at Terraco. They usually go easily for R$100, switching included!

Mangera

11-13-06, 11:59

Brother, you just broke my back with your scouting report on one of my favorite places in Rio, Luomos. I will be getting into town on Friday, and was going to introduce 2 newbies on Sunday to Luomos, because I wanted their first experience in Rio to be at Luomos, as it was for me. The way you just described Luomos sounds as if though you were writing about the money pit hell hole called Centurous( I know I mispelled it).

Prices go up, ok, I can deal with it. But the aggressive tactics and scammimg is not good news at all. Are most of the regular garotas still working there, or is there a completely new staff of women?

Might have to consider going to Solarium or Monte Carlo on Sunday instead of Luomos. Thanks for the report. Mangera

Exec Talent

11-13-06, 13:27

L’uomo has changed a lot. It used to be one place where I thought management “got it.” Although we all know it is about the money, it never was in your face there. That obviously has changed as has the atmosphere. I too used to recommend the place to newbies but I can’t anymore. The staff and the girls now seem to have an “I hate working at this place” attitude. Even Ingrid, who was good at least at putting on a happy face before, now doesn’t even bother. The excellent receptionists, except for one, are all gone. The barmen walk around like someone has a cattle prod to their heads. No longer a happy place; but, a place where Cokes are now R$5 and employees act like someone is on their case all the time.

After a few hours of this the other night, I actually went to Monte Carlo. There you will find one of the former receptionists (happy) from L’uomo (maybe she knows something). The barman was actually singing behind the bar and remembered what I drink from my last visit. Several good looking girls approached me, but I did not feel they were being overly aggressive. There also were about double the number of girls that were at L’uomo and I didn’t notice all the Help leftovers. I think it is your better option.

My point about the showers is not a trivial one. Other than there are few things I hate worse than a cold shower, the girls’ (and suite) showers are cold too. Think about it. Given that the girls are a “shared” resource; how long is she going to stay under a cold shower? Fresh smelling may not be THAT fresh smelling. Maybe L’uomo management thinks that they can not only save money on utilities with the cold showers, but also get the girls back out working faster.

I don’t mind paying, but I hate feeling like I am getting ripped off. L’uomo seems to be getting geared up for high season and an influx of gullible tourists. I think I am going to start taking the advice of some of the senior posters here and look for other options outside of Copacabana or call one of the many internet-based escort services. Maybe it is time we tell some of these places, like Centaurus and now, L’uomo, that we really are not that gullible by just not showing up.

Exec Talent

11-13-06, 13:48

Balcony, maybe because MP was closed, has a lot of girls these days. Last week I pulled a couple of 9/10 gems out of there for a very reasonable cost. I had to negotiate and make it clear that there would be no money up front, but once we got that out of the way a good time was had by all. One of the girls, a morena, Ann Paula, 5’ 6”, fantastic body and beautiful face/smile would be worth a trip to Balcony. She works at night.

Exec Talent

11-13-06, 15:37

This time of year starts to bring a lot of new guys to Rio so I thought I would offer a little negotiating advice. While I still believe that nice guys finish first in Rio, that does not mean that they get taken. Smiling, treating women with respect, being able to laugh at yourself goes a long way.

First and foremost, never, ever pay upfront. Never. That is not the norm and we don’t want it to become the norm. If the girl insists, you have a loser and just walk (run) away.

Don’t over negotiate. One of the worse business deals I never made was because I tried to negotiate down an already fair price (young and naïve days). Someone else willingly paid it and walked away with an asset I really wanted that was a bargain at the asking price. If a girl offers a reasonable deal, take it, don’t keep on trying to get her lower. It will reach a point when it starts to become too much like business for her. That is when another guy will swoop in. That is what happened to T&J.

Know what you want. Are you looking for an all-nighter or just a couple of hours? Be clear. During high season the girls are going to want to get in and out. Again, be a fun guy to be with and not the guy from whom she can’t wait to get away.

Know your prices. I heard last night that Help girls are asking R$500 for an hour. That is crazy. Do your part to not let Rio become a by the hour place. Insist on a minimum of two hours which should cost between R$200-R$250. If you speak Portuguese, then you can often pay that for all-nighters (which should not be a 6:00 AM out the door).

Stay away from hard-core pros. They will cost more, deliver less and generally be a pain in the ass. How can you recognize them? They are all flash, little substance. Too much makeup, too fancy clothes and a “look at me” attitude. The prom queen without the crown. Stay away, stay far far away.

Practice. Select a few girls you have absolutely no interest in and see how it goes. Just be selective. Otherwise you may have a girl following you around all night because you are the only one who has displayed an interest in her in months.

Don’t get too drunk. If that is your plan have someone watch your back. You didn’t come to Rio to pick up 4:00 AM bar leftovers did you? If so, you could have stayed at home, gotten drunk there and trolled the bars. Negotiating requires a reasonably clear head. There will be plenty of time to get drunk.

Have fun. The less you make the girl feel like a prostitute the better chance you have in her not making you feel like a john. These women do this for money, but many of them are still women and like to be treated that way.

Lorenzo

11-13-06, 17:58

I agree with everything Exec Talent says. He is right on target about negotiating tactics, and especially about not paying upfront. The only thing I would add is to negotiate services as well as price. Once you have agreed on a price, make it clear what you expect for your money. I'm speaking from experience, which is not only the best teacher, it's the only teacher. When I was on my very first mongering trip to Rio many years ago, I picked up a garota at Meia Pataca and took her back to my room at the Debret. She asked me to pay her upfront, and I naively did so. After that, all she would agree to was a CBJ, and she wouldn't let me fuck her at all. Hell, she wouldn't even DFK! I've never made either mistake, i.e. paying up front and not negotiating services, again.

Some mongers feel uncomfortable negotiating services upfront. There is absolutely no reason you should. After all, this is a business deal. I do it even in the termas before I will commit to a girl. I also do it over the phone when I call an escort service, so they won't even send a girl who won't perform as expected.

If you are a newbie and not sure exactly how to negotiate services, it's very simple. Begin with "eu gostaria" (I would like) and then tell her what you want; that's a little softer than "quero" (I want). If you want BBBJ, it's "beijinho sem camisinha." If you want anal, that's very simple: "sexo anal," or if you want to be a little more crass, "sexo no seu bumbum." DATY is "beija-la em baixo." DFK is "beijar com as linguas." (The last two probably won't have to be negotiated because they're usually standard, but better be safe than sorry.) If you want something kinkier, you're on your own. And, of course, if she doesn't follow through, don't pay her the full amount you agreed on; after all, she hasn't fulfilled her part of the deal. Pay her what you think the experience is worth. However, I must admit that whenever I have negotiated service, I've never had a girl not follow through. It's only when you don't negotiate that you'll be disappointed.

Lorenzo

Maxxxx55

11-13-06, 23:56

Hello,

I'm looking for pregnant girls in Rio. I've read in another forum that maybe in Vila Mimosa you can find pregnant hoes.

I read everything here in the forum of Vila Mimosa to prepare me. THANKS A LOT TO ALL WHO WROTE INFORMATIONS THAT ARE REALLY USEFULL!

I`m living in São Paulo for more than one year and I've seen a lot and have, normally, no fear to enter a bad area. Vila Mimoa was a new experience for me.

Today i was there about 19.00 and i found nearly nothing. I saw a few girls, but not pregnant hoes. I wanted to stay for a beer, but then i decided to leave, because i got a bad feeling for security.

Tomorrow i will have a new try, but i will get there a little bit earlier.

If anybody knows a pregnant girl in Rio, please write an info here in the forum. THANKS!

Sorry for my bad english.

Bambino

11-14-06, 03:01

I´ve been coming here for 3 years now.

And in a weird way, I´m feeling guilty that there is so much pussy that is a melhora do Mundo aqui. I have already been to Sao Paulo for a week, and arrived aqui no Rio last sab. So much happened in Sao Paulo that I´m just processing it now. I won´t be able to post about Sao Paulo for another day.

I just came from 4x4. THIS PLACE IS NOT REAL!

I had to go to Solarium the first night. Something incredible happened, but I can´t talk about that now.

I met the most beautiful garota. From Espirito Santo at 4x4 tonight. There is a particular look those gals. Grad. student in Pharmacia, aqui no Rio. The girl is brilliant smart. 5`8" with a hand full of firm bunda. No; a hand and a half...Semi false loira. (Tal vez, de verdade).

I haven´t been that captivated in a conversation since I can remember. I was thinking; this girl better not suck my dick "SIM". Well, she did! She bucked like a banchee with anything I did to her. She has these perfect teeth, and this perfect nose, and some full lips to go with them. "Cafe com leche" de cor do skin. Skin without a stretch mark or an iota of cellulite.

Unfortunately she cannot come to the hotel because she studies during the day, and has exams next week. And is a bit nervous about coming to hotels. She made me exchange contact info. in case "I don´t return to 4x4". She prefers to write letters. SHIT... I better stop here.

So, I go down to the club. I told her I´d wait just inside the door. To bater papo (chit-chat). BUT this 6 foot tall amazonian from Sta. Cat. (actually Ukranian ethnically) pegged me. I spent 90 min. with her. Then she suggested she take me to Corcovado for the afternoon this week... and something afterwards at the hotel.

But I couldn´t get the image of the most beautiful Morena I have seen, out of my mind. If you guys know 4x4. You know this girl. She reminds me that I DO like "black" women. That is what she´d be in the US. I hooked up with her last spring. But no time today. I will be back.

So, tomorrow, the beautifully dark and mystrious Indio gal, from Fortaleza that I met at Monte Carlo yesterday...

Sorry if that rambled, but this shit is outta´CONTROL!!!

GOOD LORD, if this kind of thing existed in the pathetic US.

Lorenzo

11-14-06, 04:51

Grad. student in Pharmacia, aqui no Rio. The girl is brilliant smart......
Unfortunately she cannot come to the hotel because she studies during the day, and has exams next week. And is a bit nervous about coming to hotels. She made me exchange contact info. in case "I don´t return to 4x4". She prefers to write letters.
Bambino,

When you get back to the US, look me up. I have a bridge to sell you! :D

Lorenzo

The Watcher

11-14-06, 05:20

Bambino,

When you get back to the US, look me up. I have a bridge to sell you! :D

Lorenzo

That's an oldie but a goodie!

Member #4217

11-14-06, 14:07

Stay away from hard-core pros. They will cost more, deliver less and generally be a pain in the ass. How can you recognize them? They are all flash, little substance. Too much makeup, too fancy clothes and a “look at me” attitude. The prom queen without the crown. Stay away, stay far far away.
In the past couple weeks, I have spent a good few nights in and in front of HELP. You hit the description to a T. These pros are here every night, too much makeup, dress very sexy, and just stand beside of you waiting for you to jump!
The lesser pros generally are not so exotically dressed as they have not the money for the investiment. One pro told me she buys shoes for $R300 to go to HELP, never washes her hair herself, and only buys the best clothes!

As Exec Talent says, they are easy to spot, and you will be much happier if you avoid them like the desease that they are. IMH

I had a day of fun aaaaannnd headaches with a very cute 19 year old, $R50 total, crack ho! Just got rid of her! Heading back to Centro tonight.

I saw several pregnant girls at VM on Sunday night. They were not standing in the street, however.

Oh, and thanx to the great info on this board, I am on my way to pick up my CPF card now. 1 day wait!

Tom

Exec Talent

11-14-06, 14:17

Glutton for punishment that I am, I stopped by L'uomo again last night. After a session, the girl I was with and I are relaxing in the relax room when in comes the manager ***** and tells her that we have been sitting there too long. Give me a break, I don't do Viagra, I need a little time. BTW, she was not singling out the girl I was with, I saw her do it with a lot of the girls.

And, once again, the showers were hot for about 30 seconds. Blue balls takes on a whole new meaning.

L'uomo is rapidly joining Centaurus and Barbarella as a place to avoid. Customer service is job none. I can see it now, L'uomo, home of the R$20 Rum and Coke.

Benjoe

11-14-06, 18:01

Mangera

11-14-06, 18:15

Question, when the manager came in to tell the girls throughout the room to get back to the bar area, was she also speaking the the garota that was with you?

Mangera

11-14-06, 18:24

I agree with all of your points and I will go as far as to say that as a general rule, not only in Rio, but any place on this planet that girls are involved in this type of buss., the more they look like a ten, the worse service they provide. Ofcourse, there are some exceptions to the rule.

I must constantly remind myself that its better to have a 7 with a great attitude and who provides excellent service than a gdp that is a legend in her own mind. I enjoy the challenge of finding an 8 or a 9 with a great attitude and exellent service.

Will be in town by friday, look foward to being on the prowl in Brasil again. I will be giving some input according to my experiences.

Damn Exec Talent, I believed what you said about Luomos, but I am in a state of denial, and still want to go. But I think I will not make it my first visit to a termas, and just go later, maybe sometime later next week. Laters!

Member #4217

11-14-06, 18:35

I must constantly remind myself that its better to have a 7 with a great attitude and who provides excellent service than a gdp that is a legend in her own mind.I am actually getting tired of the R500 bargaining for VM services at HELP, and looking elsewhere. And, you are so right. I am starting to start working on the more casually dressed girls in HELP, as I am learning that they will suck the enamel off your teeth while the 9s and 10s want you to not only pay for them, but then they are only concerned with getting the deed done so they can return for another client!

Will be in town by friday, look foward to being on the prowl in Brasil again. I will be giving some input according to my experiences.Find me!

Tom

Java Man

11-14-06, 18:51

tom & jerry527:
can you provide additional info on how, and where you got the CPF in 1 day. i was under impression it took 2 wks to process. also what info did they require and cost?
thanks

Exec Talent

11-14-06, 18:53

Question, when the manager came in to tell the girls throughout the room to get back to the bar area, was she also speaking the the garota that was with you?

Yes. We had just come back from a session and she basically told her to either go to a room with me or get up and move around. My Portuguese is getting pretty good, which I think ticks her off. I understood exactly what she said.

The owners have invested some money (not a lot) in decor and the girls have new outfits (R$130 apiece which they have to pay). I get the impression that there is a lot of pressure on the manager to make money. She is a constant presence and a rather large and unattractive one (I have literally lost wood when she has entered the room in her high heels and stretch pants). We need to come up with a name for her like the Medusa working reception at Centaurus.

I used to recommend the place, especially to newbies, but not anymore. With the Help rejects scamming guys for drinks, prices on everything through the roof and management not letting customers spend time getting to know a girl, why would anyone, other than a tourist who doesn’t know any better, go there? By the time most guys leave, it is going to be an expensive 40 minutes.

Also, I want to go to a place where the employees are at least pretending to have fun. L’uomo used to be like that, but not anymore. It is all business and not a happy one.

Lorenzo

11-14-06, 20:28

We need to come up with a name for her like the Medusa working reception at Centaurus.
I suggest calling her Ilse, after Ilse Koch, the notorious B-i-t-c-h of Buchenwald.

El Austriaco

11-14-06, 23:29

Hello,

I'm looking for pregnant girls in Rio. I've read in another forum that maybe in Vila Mimosa you can find pregnant hoes.

(...)

If anybody knows a pregnant girl in Rio, please write an info here in the forum. THANKS!
Maxxx,

The answer to your question would be the same if you had asked about where to find fake red-hair girls, or girls with a specific type of body-piercing, or a Polynesian tattoo, or porn-movie experience: they might be anywhere. The suggestion to look in VM was certainly not bad, considering how many girls are there, so the odds are somewhat in your favor (though still not good, though). For the same reason I might suggest you check out Help: with all the girls there, you stand a better chance than anywhere else.

But the truth is, you might find one anywhere... or nowhere. I am not aware of any pregnant-hooker hangout in Rio, no. Just like anywhere else in this world.

I once did a pregnant girl back in 2004 in a threesome with my GF (she insisted on it, and it was a friend of hers). We picked her up at the Scotch bar on the Leme-end of Copacabana and took her to the Lido love motel. Can't really say that it was one of my memorable Rio experiences, though.

EA

El Austriaco

11-14-06, 23:39

In the past couple weeks, I have spent a good few nights in and in front of HELP. You hit the description to a T. These pros are here every night, too much makeup, dress very sexy, and just stand beside of you waiting for you to jump!

The lesser pros generally are not so exotically dressed as they have not the money for the investiment. One pro told me she buys shoes for $R300 to go to HELP, never washes her hair herself, and only buys the best clothes!
Well, that´s a prime example of a Help pro on the lookout for hapless tourists. To also come back to a story you wrote about earlier, I actually do see little reason in negotiating for a couple of hours with a girl whose initial offer is R$ 400, trying to get her in line with R$ 150 to R$ 200. If she starts with R$ 400, she is a hardcore pro, and if she has to come down to half of that, she won't be too happy about it, and you are almost guaranteed a lackluster performance! Don't cry about her, and be happy another monger took her: you just got rid of a headache...

I agree with all of your points and I will go as far as to say that as a general rule, not only in Rio, but any place on this planet that girls are involved in this type of buss., the more they look like a ten, the worse service they provide. Ofcourse, there are some exceptions to the rule.

I must constantly remind myself that its better to have a 7 with a great attitude and who provides excellent service than a gdp that is a legend in her own mind. I enjoy the challenge of finding an 8 or a 9 with a great attitude and exellent service.
This has been my experience, too. And as always, the thrill of the chase is to find a 10 with great attitude, excellent service, and low cost, IMHO.

EA

Rio Joe

11-15-06, 00:14

fyi, here's the text of a piece i just did for britain's front magazine. (a scan of the actual article is on my site at www.riojoe.com/frontst.htm.)

the piece mentions isg and its main competitor. parts of the article are critical of mongering, mainly because the editor wanted a "well-rounded" approach. as someone whose 8 or 9 trips to rio have almost entirely consisted of help, meia pataca and the thermas, i'm hardly anti-monger. (some will rightly take me to task for not mentioning in the article that i'm an enthusiastic patron of rio's gdps; it was mainly to make the article more objective--in reality an impossible task--by keeping myself out of the story.)

the article's also meant as a "template" for a book i'm doing on sex tourism in the global age. the book would cover mongering (including my own experiences) in all its aspects--the good, the bad, the ugly.

anyways, i'd love your feedback, good or bad.
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front magazine feature: sex tourism
headline: "i haven't done any sightseeing. just fucking" ...
you want a holiday full of sun, sea and sex? or just the sex? rio de janeiro will give you whatever you want ... for a price.
------------------------------------------

the pretty brazilian, slightly butch in her backwards baseball cap, immediately agrees to join gordon in scouting the club for another woman. it shouldn't take long here in help discoteca: it's one of south america's largest nightspots, and, much more relevant to the current task, it's rio de janeiro's hooker epicenter.

they find her on the dance floor, gyrating so hard that her breasts keep popping out of her dress. both girls accept gordon's offer of $75 each, and they leave to give the 26-year-old software engineer from san francisco his first threesome.

"san francisco gets insane, but never like this," gordon tells me later over a beer at the sidewalk café in front of help. gazing out at rio's legendary copacabana beach, he says it's his first trip to brazil, "but definitely not my last."

before coming to rio, gordon researched its reputation as a flesh market on the international sex guide, an online community catering to the growing ranks of men who venture abroad to party with hookers. for many, it's about more than sex. in brazil, thailand, the czech republic and other havens of legal and quasi-legal prostitution, travelers shop tirelessly. not for cheesy souvenirs, but for the "girlfriend experience"—the feeling of emotional intimacy these girls somehow provide for them, and the ego boost they get from having a cute chick on their arm, even if they paid for her to be there.

it might sound sad to you, and maybe it is. but on the other hand, how different is it from a rich man showing off his trophy wife? he feels good because he's got into her pants, she feels good because she's got into his wallet. the world has always worked that way.

denizens of the international sex guide and similar websites proudly identify themselves as *****mongers, or mongers for short. in the isg forums, broken down by location, mongers compare notes on everything from the cheapest brothels in prague right down to the most mundane, but practical, travel tips like preventing dehydration on those long flights to bangkok by avoiding alcohol.

the websites are staging grounds for "hunting trips." on another site someone calling himself "irishpussyman" notes he'll be in frankfurt during the world cup with "coo the cock and flynn the f--ker" (obviously a delicate sort, irishpussyman likes to soften certain profanities with the use of dashes). it's coo and flynn's first trip to the "holy land," so he plans to take them to the city's biggest *****houses. he asks if any other mongers will be around. "it would be pretty cool if there was a large crowd there to hopefully watch germany get f--ked in the final, then we can all go and do the same to their women."

sex-travel support system...

the emergence of this online support system has emboldened men who previously might have been reluctant to set out for exotic locales. "i was clueless," says gordon. "it's not like you can walk into a travel agency and ask them where's the best place for hookers. i want to try costa rica next. it's a lot closer to california and the girls are supposed to be gorgeous. i guess i'm a full-fledged monger now. it's not my favorite word in the english language, but if the condom fits..."

gordon figures he's been with a dozen "garotas de programa," as prostitutes are called in brazil, since he arrived six days ago. "two a day sounds right. i haven't done any sightseeing. just fucking."

does gordon feel sleazy, building his vacation around hookers? "one way or the other, you always end up paying for sex," he says. "dinner, jewelry, clothes. women always want something, but with a girlfriend, you get the headaches to boot. there's something simple and—this is going to sound crazy—'pure' about going with a garota."

mongering's appeal cuts across generational lines. micky, 56, is a divorced londoner. on his third day in rio he hooked up with a stunning young brunette. "it doesn't get any better than this," he says. "it's like paradise here—what men dream about." it's a clear case of the gfe—the girlfriend experience. carla's hardly left his side for the past 10 days. micky's even contacted the airlines about arranging for her to visit england next month.

short with a powerful build, micky tears along copacabana's main thoroughfare, avenida atlantica, on the way to meet carla. he stops long enough to fire up his mojo by climbing to the first branch of a decent-sized tree. "it's lovely up here," he jokes. "i must bring carla here later."

dark shadows...

in a world filled with legalized prostitution, no one's claiming that most mongers seek anything beyond consensual companionship-for-hire with women of legal age. in fact, the opportunity to engage in carnal commerce without breaking the law is probably one of the main things that motivates sex tourists to travel so far from home. but this shouldn't mask the role of mongers in reinforcing, intentionally or not, the darkest aspects of the international sex trade. sex tourism, according to some estimates, generates tens of billions of dollars a year. as globalization has made borders more porous, prostitute demand has grown. much of it is met through illegal trafficking in young men and women, including tragic numbers of minors, who wind up in the sex trade by force or fairytales of "honest work" offers abroad.

a 2005 study by the brazilian government found child prostitution rings operating in almost 1,000 cities there, mainly rio and sao paulo. these rings can only survive if enough ****s use their services. in 2004, italian police busted a group of "travel agents" accused of arranging annual outings to brazil for 1,000 men seeking sex with minors.

****philia might be the most stomach-turning of all the ills associated with sex tourism. but how many mongers sleep with **** girls—not intentionally, but from carelessness? hang out in copacabana on a busy night and you'll see throngs of brits, germans, italians, americans, canadians and other "first worlders" mixing with the local "talent." some of the girls look clearly ****. on the other hand, how hard is it for girls of 15 or 16 to make themselves look 20 or 21? given the risk of jail time, perhaps prospective clients should ask for proof of age. but if a guy's juiced up on caipirinha (brazil's national drink) and wants action, will he? what if a girl, minor or not, is only selling herself because some scumbag pimp-trafficker will murder her little sister if she doesn't? not many mongers could tell that just from ogling a girl. then again, how many will take time to learn about her circumstances before bedding her?

what about women who choose to be prostitutes? for unskilled females, especially in poor countries, prostitution is often one of the only ways of avoiding total poverty. are mongers exploiting women in this situation?

"i've met working girls in rio who were 'moonlighting' to pay their college tuition," says ian, a 35-year-old teacher from new york. "another girl was saving to buy a hair salon. then there was one who needed money to move her family to a safer neighborhood. if it's the only way for them to get a better life, am i really exploiting them by doing business with them?"

primitive needs in a modern economy...

with all the evils that go with trafficking and prostitution, does mongering really have a legitimate place in the 21st century? "the world can crack down—and it should—on the excesses, the worst elements involved with the sex trade," says gordon. "but mongering itself will never go away. it's the perfect example of our global economy, with modern transportation and the internet, matching itself to man's most primitive needs. mongering will only become more popular."

it's doubtful that the average monger dwells too long on such matters while he prepares for his latest pleasure trip. too many thrills await. he can take his dollars, pounds or euros to the crippled economies of asia, latin american and eastern europe, and he can live—at minimum expense, at least for a few weeks—like hugh hefner in his mansion or a hypersexed rock star on tour.

"the girls treat you like a king in rio," says ian. overweight and sick of rejection, ian's burnt out on the singles scene. he admits he's "addicted" to mongering, flying seven or eight times a year to various latin american cities and spending thousands of dollars in search of gfes. he's been robbed at knifepoint several times, but this hasn't inhibited his wanderlust. "i'm miserable in new york. i stare at the calendar, counting the days till my next trip."
[end]

Mangera

11-15-06, 01:21

Is she the one that looks like King Kong, but twice the size? Laters!

El Austriaco

11-15-06, 01:25

sex tourism, according to some estimates, generates tens of billions of dollars a year. as globalization has made borders more porous, prostitute demand has grown. much of it is met through illegal trafficking in young men and women, including tragic numbers of minors, who wind up in the sex trade by force or fairytales of "honest work" offers abroad.
what evidence are these allegations based upon, in particular the claimed growth of prostitution and/or demand for prostitutes as a result of globalization. what corroborates the statement that the "growing" demand is met by "illegal trafficking in young men and women, including tragic numbers of minors" any? also, as far as i know, there is no "legal trafficking" of human beings.

a 2005 study by the brazilian government found child prostitution rings operating in almost 1,000 cities there, mainly rio and sao paulo. these rings can only survive if enough ****s use their services. in 2004, italian police busted a group of "travel agents" accused of arranging annual outings to brazil for 1,000 men seeking sex with minors.
please note the use of the word "accused", not even "charged with", let alone "proven". is there any evidence that sex tourists are a driving force behind this phenomenon? any?

also, i fail to see the logic for a statement such as that a **** ring would need enough ****s to survive (other than the duh! factor). if anything, seems like a business one would run on the side. wait a minute, now i see why: to create the impression that there just must be tons of them. without any corroborating evidence, of course.

****philia might be the most stomach-turning of all the ills associated with sex tourism. but how many mongers sleep with **** girls—not intentionally, but from carelessness?
pure speculation, and impossible to prove. this is fear-mongering and catering to public resentment at its very very best. also, since when is ****philia associated with sex tourism? you mean to say there was no ****philia before guys started to travel to monger abroad? you might wanna start asking the copa gdps at what age they first got pregnant... and by whom. might explain what pushed them into prostitution in the first place.

hang out in copacabana on a busy night and you'll see throngs of brits, germans, italians, americans, canadians and other "first worlders" mixing with the local "talent." some of the girls look clearly ****. on the other hand, how hard is it for girls of 15 or 16 to make themselves look 20 or 21?
based on the nine months i have spent in rio, very few girls you are bound to encounter in rio in the usual tourist hangouts look **** by any stretch of imagination, and even less of them "clearly" ****.

what if a girl, minor or not, is only selling herself because some scumbag pimp-trafficker will murder her little sister if she doesn't? not many mongers could tell that just from ogling a girl. then again, how many will take time to learn about her circumstances before bedding her?
based on the hundreds of girls i have talked to in rio, especially in copacabana, not a single one mentioned a pimp/trafficker. not one.

what about women who choose to be prostitutes? for unskilled females, especially in poor countries, prostitution is often one of the only ways of avoiding total poverty.
and many many million more find a way to avoid total poverty without becoming gdps. just to be fair. believe me, i know tons of them.

ea

Jan 156

11-15-06, 01:44

Try Photoshop, "Save for web", that will get down the size.

The version of Photoshop I have doesn't have that facility. I've shrunk it a bit but basically you are talking a large-ish map of the city centre with every street (even the small ones) clearly marked. When you launch it you need to blow it up to full screen or print it out on an A4 (which then folds nicely into the pocket :-) So shrinking it down too much by any means is likely to lose the definition.

I got a PM from someone though asking for it by email so no probs if you want a copy (allow for delays as I'm not on here that often).

Exec Talent

11-15-06, 03:41

When in Rio, I spend a lot of time walking the streets of Copacabana which means I should have encountered these child prostitution rings. In reality, I have come across one young girl who looked to be about 12 soliciting on the streets. I flagged down an older cop and pointed her out to him. He went over to her right away. Hardly a gang. If you see a child working, tell someone about it. However, is you don’t speak Portuguese that might not be a good idea. The cop might think you want him to broker a deal.

No one I have met in Rio has ever discussed an interest in children. However, given that a first-world economy has a reality TV show based upon baiting and trapping sexual predators, it would not surprise me that some have found their way to Rio.

Sexual sensationalism sells which is why there is a market for drivel like that written by Rio Joe. As for me, I would rather read about the two-headed aliens who mind melded with an Oklahoman housewife.

Rio Joe

11-15-06, 04:22

ea, you've come up with some excellent criticisms. i'll do my best to respond.

what is the evidence on which these allegations are based, in particular as to the growth of prostitution and/or demand for prostitutes as a result of globalization, as well as the statement "illegal trafficking in young men and women, including tragic numbers of minors" any? also, as far as i know, there is no "legal trafficking" of human beings."sex tourism, according to some estimates, generates tens of billions of dollars a year." please note that i preface it "according to some estimates." the figure is based on various government, media, academic and advocacy-group estimates. some sources:

http://www.david-kilgour.com/secstate/childsex.htm
http://estonia.usembassy.gov/prostit.php
http://www.thegully.com/essays/us/politics/030925_bush_un_speech_txt.html

http://www.unhchr.ch/huridocda/huridoca.nsf/allsymbols/788d5642c6aaf3bdc1256b5d003a0946/$file/g0210374.doc?openelement

the growth of the global market for prostitution is common sense. as customers are able to travel more freely to countries where prostitutes are more accessible, the demand for their services increases.

stats for trafficking also come from various gov't and ngo sources. for example, the u.s. government estimates that 600,000 to 800,000 people are trafficked across international borders each year, most of whom are exploited in the sex trade. the u.s. estimates that about 80 percent of trafficking victims are women and girls, and up to 50 percent are minors.

(you're right about "illegal trafficking"...totally redundant phrase. intellectual laziness on my part.)

please note the use of the word "accused", not even "charged with", let alone "proven". is there any evidence that sex tourists are a driving force behind this phenomenon?i referred to the group busted by the italian police as "accused" because this was prior to prosecution. i wasn't able to find subsequent info on the case so i don't know if it was dismissed, went to trial, etc. it's possible that the accused were acquitted. the only thing i know with certainty is that the police felt there was enough evidence to arrest the men on charges of arranging trips to brazil for men seeking sex with minors. the evidence (or at least indication) of sex tourists as a driving force is the sheer number of clients--1,000--that this agency was allegedly serving. again, i don't know if the case was ultimately proven in court, but as an anecdote suggesting the darker side of sex tourism, i think it's valid. there are other cases of **** sex tourists that have led to convictions; my article would have been stronger had i used those. i also want to stress that, while this may cast a shadow over sex tourism in general, i've never seen anything to suggest that most mongers are involved with this shit.

i fail to see the logic for a statement such as that a **** ring would need enough ****s to survive (other than the duh! factor). if anything, seems like a business one would run on the side. wait a minute, now i see why: to create the impression that there just must be tons of them. without any corroborating evidence, of course.pure speculation, and impossible to prove. this is fear-mongering and catering to public resentment at its very very best.
the brazilian government found **** rings in almost 1,000 cities. is that a business one would run on the side? sorry, but i don't get that. the corroborating evidence are the rings themselves. or at least the fact that brazil discovered so many.

based on the nine months i have spent in rio, very few girls you are bound to encounter in rio in the usual tourist hangouts look **** by any stretch of imagination, and even less of them "clearly" ****.
i think we agree here more than you realize. you wrote "very few girls", i wrote "some of the girls." same thing, mais ou menos. but some of them do look clearly ****, at least to me.

based on the hundreds of girls i have talked to in rio, especially in copacabana, not a single one mentioned a pimp/trafficker. not one.same here. i've never met a gdp in rio that's mentioned a pimp/trafficker. what i was really trying to get at was the global sex trade, not rio in particular. but the way i organized it in the article, it seems that it's referring to rio. it was a lousy (actually, non-existent) transition on my part.

and many many million more find a way to avoid total poverty without becoming gdps. just to be fair. believe me, i know tons of them.i agree. for some, prostitution may be one of the only options, for others it's not. and based on some of the gdps i've known in rio, i'm not sure it's such a bad thing, at least for the ones who are savvy and clear-headed enough to use it as a steppingstone to the next phase of their life.

Rio Joe

11-15-06, 04:48

sexual sensationalism sells which is why there is a market for drivel like that written by rio joe.i've always enjoyed your reports. hard for me, though, to continue respecting someone who responds to my polite request for feedback by calling my piece "drivel." makes an interesting contrast to ea's thoughtful critique.

i'm glad your research in copacabana hasn't turned up evidence of ****philia. have you submitted your findings to the brazilian government? maybe then they'll stop putting out all that disinformation about child prostitution rings in rio.

Bravo

11-15-06, 05:44

i've been going to rio for almost 11 years, in all that time, i have only seen one **** girl working the strip (15 year old, working near mabs). crazy articles like this, are the reason why people in the office give me dirty looks, when i mention that i am flying to basil. no matter how much you try to explain that child prostitution is rare in copa, they refuse to believe you because "they read somewhere that its rampant in brasil!!"

Zidaho

11-15-06, 05:56

This kind of info is exactly what I like about the site. Luomo was going to one of my first stops, I will definitely make other plans now. I'll be in Rio from Dec 1 to at least Dec 15th. I am considering a week in Medellin or Cartegena, and 3-4 days in Sao Paulo.

Off Road

11-15-06, 06:16

tom & jerry527:
can you provide additional info on how, and where you got the CPF in 1 day. i was under impression it took 2 wks to process. also what info did they require and cost?
thanks
Go to the Post Office, fill out the form. I think the next day you can go to Recita Fedaral (in Impanema) and get your CPF number on the spot. The card will come to your brazilian address in about a month or more. You must give them an address in Brazil.
Take your passport for ID.
The cost is minimal, I don't recall the price exactly.

Ezinho

11-15-06, 06:55

*Sigh* I know I shouldn't be responding to this crock of shit by Rio Joe, but I had a long day at the office today and I'm overdue for another trip abroad, so I'm gonna let out some steam here...

Parts of the article are critical of mongering
Parts? I'm sorry, could you please point out the parts of the article that AREN'T critical of mongering. Just give me a hint, is it before or after the section titled "Dark Shadows"?

mainly because the editor wanted a "well-rounded" approach
LOL this is hillarious, even you can't admit your article is well rounded, you had to use quotation marks! Let me guess, your editor is a woman?

I'm hardly anti-monger
"Hardly" anti-monger, what the hell does this mean? So are you just "sort-of" anti-monger, or what?

The article's also meant as a "template" for a book I'm doing on sex tourism in the global age
Jesus H. Christ, you mean you're going to write a whole book on something you know nothing about? Let me know when the paperback version comes out, it'll burn faster than hardcover.

Anyways, I'd love your feedback, good or bad.
Well, if you insist.

Your article is so slanted it's not even funny, it's not well-rounded and you know it. You call yourself a monger and then write shit like this? No I'm sorry, I take that back, calling it shit would be an insult to fecal matter. You shouldn't even be allowed on this forum; Jackson should confine you to the Macunaima thread. Did you ask him for permission to use his site in your hit-piece article? And again I ask, where is the part that is NOT critical of mongering, maybe I'm missing it? When you're not trying to link child-prostitution to Rio, you are denigrating the men you are interviewing and prostitution in general.

You say you're a monger, ok, lets see all the trip reports you have. Don't have any? Well, that's understandable, you spend all your time writing drivel like this, so no time for trip reports. Ok then, just post the pics of the girls you've laid and we'll call it even. Speaking of pics, cripes man, what's up with the pics in your article? What decade were they taken in; was Nixon still president? Couldn't get a photo of L'uomo from this century?

Sorry for having to post this here, Joey, I was going to just PM it to you, but for some strange reason, you can't recieve PM's. I'm sure you wanted to buy a subscription to support the forum, but, again, were just so busy writing your article that you forgot about it. Perfectly understandable.

Again, please let me know when your book comes out; any chance I can get an autographed copy?

Off Road

11-15-06, 08:32

i find that you seem to confuse the reader with general worldwide sex-trade issues and brazil and mongering issues. i think you admitted that in some of your rebuttals.

i can say that i have only seen one clearly **** girl in copa or sao paulo, mongers that go to these places are not looking for young girls.

i do know that girls 15-18 do sell themselves, but mostly to locals and not in the tourist areas. and this is not brazil unique, it is 3rd world economics.

and i have never heard of pimps in latin america, never, that seems to be a usa thing..

so the casual reader of this article would get a good view of what is going in from the front piece of your artical, but the dark side is not representative of what i have seen.

El Austriaco

11-15-06, 08:58

the figure is based on various government, media, academic and advocacy-group estimates. stats for trafficking also come from various gov't and ngo sources.
are numbers easy to come by that "claim" (meaning "estimate" without ever specifying the assumptions on which their estimates are based) the size of the international sex business? sure. do these numbers have any basis in reality? i am not so sure.

from some of the sources i have read (like ecpat), estimates may cover a range of 1 to 10 or more (between "100,000 to 150,000" and 2.5 (million) child prostitutes in brazil, according to two sources, for example). even a scholar like macunaima (see his section on this board), who is specifically conducting research in rio, agrees that anyone who claims that they know the numbers with any degree of accuracy is talking out of his (her) ass: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=405259&postcount=27

the growth of the global market for prostitution is common sense. as customers are able to travel more freely to countries where prostitutes are more accessible, the demand for their services increases.
specifically in the case of brazil, even in the case of rio with its highly visible foreign tourist force, i feel confident to say that the number of hookers specializing in foreign johns is still miniscule compared to the number of local johns. do more accessible travel options bring more mongers to foreign countries? yes, i guess so. but without any somewhat accurate numbers and detailed studies, the assumption that increased trafficking in women for prostitution (if that is actually true in the first place) and an increase in prostitution (if that can actually be measured to a somewhat reliable degree, which i doubt) is the result of increased international mongering is entirely unproven and therefore absolutely preposterous.

but some sources sure make it sound like before the advent of sex tourism, there wasn't really any prostitution at all, regurgitating the "dirty old foreign men traveling to corrupt our poor children" myth which, of course, the media just love and third-world governments are so keen to exploit.

i referred to the group busted by the italian police as "accused" because this was prior to prosecution. i wasn't able to find subsequent info on the case so i don't know if it was dismissed, went to trial, etc. it's possible that the accused were acquitted. the only thing i know with certainty is that the police felt there was enough evidence to arrest the men on charges of arranging trips to brazil for men seeking sex with minors. the evidence (or at least indication) of sex tourists as a driving force is the sheer number of clients--1,000--that this agency was allegedly serving. again, i don't know if the case was ultimately proven in court, but as an anecdote suggesting the darker side of sex tourism, i think it's valid. there are other cases of **** sex tourists that have led to convictions; my article would have been stronger had i used those. i also want to stress that, while this may cast a shadow over sex tourism in general, i've never seen anything to suggest that most mongers are involved with this shit.
you see, the problem is that sex tourists are frequently "accused" of things like "corruption of minors" and "drugs", like happened in june 2004 with the infamous rio boat incident. of course, newspapers all over the world ran the story of the 29 americans that were detained for "sex tourism" all over their front page. in the end, however, none of this turned out to be true (which didn't surprise me, considering that there are no laws regarding "sex tourism" in brazil, anyway): no minors on the boat, no drugs found, and the mongers were simply fined (and some expelled, if i remember correctly) for not having any documetns on them. were they accused? yes. were they convicted? no. big difference for me. i guess michael jackson would agree.

but you are right, "as an anecdote suggesting the darker side of sex tourism", it is valid. suggesting, yes, and nothing more. and that is exactly what i am criticizing: the constant suggestions in the media, which do not require any proof of guilt in the public court of opinion, where a mere accusation already is equivalent to a slam-dunk moral conviction.

for your article to be truly balanced, it would have mentioned such episodes of improperly accused sex tourists or at least abided by "presumed innocent until proven guilty". or at least included a reference to some guys that were actually convicted of their crime rather than merely accused.

the brazilian government found **** rings in almost 1,000 cities. is that a business one would run on the side? sorry, but i don't get that. the corroborating evidence are the rings themselves. or at least the fact that brazil discovered so many.
sorry, can't follow your logic there: there are some many **** rings, so there must be a lot of clients, you seem to say. number one, how do you define a "**** ring", just like a "prostitution ring", anyway? nonetheless, the use of the term "ring" is again suggestive of a certain size, but without specifying which size. would having a few clients each in almost 1000 cities be indicative of a widespread problem in a country the size of brazil, with 180 million people?

you might also take into account that the brazilian government and brazilian ngos have a very vested interest in inflating/overstating the problem of ****philia and, especially, "child sex tourism", since they receive hard cash from western governments and ngos to combat the problem. and in the process, the government receives free press in the western media as being tough on ****philia while the ngos justify their very existence all over again.

i think we agree here more than you realize. you wrote "very few girls", i wrote "some of the girls." same thing, mais ou menos. but some of them do look clearly ****, at least to me.
i guess i must have talked to hundreds of gdps over the years and seen a few thousand (and not only in copacabana, but also in places few foreign mongers get a chance to experience). of all these girls, i remember one (!) whose youngish looks would raise my suspicion enough to take a very close look at her idea if i ever took her (i never did). i can also assure you that if i ever witness a monger with a no-doubt-about it **** prostitute, i would be the very first one to report him (or her) to the authorities/police wherever i may be. so far, i never had to do this in rio or elsewhere.

your statement that some mongers may sleep with **** hookers out of carelessness or almost "by accident" is certainly true. imho, however, it is unbalanced insofar as it fails to mention that mongers may, in fact, get actively tricked by the girl into believing their are with a girl of age through outright lies, fake ids, etc. to say nothing of setups for extortions and whatever not. unfortunately, the underlying message of your article, the way you wrote it, is "well, mongers may not look for **** girls, but they either don't care or don't know and might do it anyway". very unfortunate.

same here. i've never met a gdp in rio that's mentioned a pimp/trafficker. what i was really trying to get at was the global sex trade, not rio in particular. but the way i organized it in the article, it seems that it's referring to rio. it was a lousy (actually, non-existent) transition on my part.
worldwide, i am not sure, but i sure have heard the horror stories about laos, myanmar, thailand, eastern europe, etc., too. whether they have any basis in reality, however, i am utterly unable to say.

i agree. for some, prostitution may be one of the only options, for others it's not. and based on some of the gdps i've known in rio, i'm not sure it's such a bad thing, at least for the ones who are savvy and clear-headed enough to use it as a steppingstone to the next phase of their life.
personally, i have come to the conclusion that the reasons girls get involved in prostitution in the first place are usually not the reasons they stay in it. if poverty was the prime reason for causing and sustaining wide-spread prostitution, a lot of countries that are way poorer than brazil would have an even higher percentage of prostitutes. they don't.

btw, i think that terms like "sex tourist" or "sex tourism", so beloved by the media and academia, are entirely pointless to me. there is no such thing as a sex tourist for the hotels i am staying, the restaurants i eat at, the cabs i take, the excursions i go on: i am just a tourist, nothing else. most importantly, there is no such thing as a sex tourist for the girls: i am just a john that happens to live in a different country.

likewise, there is no such thing as "child sex tourists" or "traveling ****s": they are just ****s, period. ask gary glitter.

i have yet to read a single thing about prostitution that draws a clear distinction between "legal sex tourism" (for lack of a better term) and "child sex tourism". there is no shortage, however, of publications that constantly muddle the two issues in an attempt to garner public outcry and further regurgitate the image of the "monger" as an "ugly beer-guzzling, drugged-out child-fondling perverted loser". unfortunately, your article about brazil and rio doesn't really differentiate, either.

ea

Sperto

11-15-06, 09:38

but this shouldn't mask the role of mongers in reinforcing, intentionally or not, the darkest aspects of the international sex trade... a 2005 study by the brazilian government found child prostitution rings operating in almost 1,000 cities there, mainly rio and sao paulo... but how many mongers sleep with **** girls—not intentionally, but from carelessness? hang out in copacabana on a busy night and you'll see throngs of brits, germans, italians, americans, canadians and other "first worlders" mixing with the local "talent." some of the girls look clearly ****...
my impression of your article is that mongers going to rio would seek out minors. i disagree on that point. i can't say how spread out the **** prostitution is in brazil, but i guess it's mainly the brazilians themselves who look for this perversity.

fortaleza might be an exception. the city receives lots of european tourists, mainly from italy. quite often they show in the papers and on tv how they caught gringos with minors.

of course there exist **** girls working in copa with fake id's, but i doubt that's very common. i guess the gringo ****s going to rio are very few. i don't know where they look for their victims, but hopefully they end up in a brazilian prison (knee padding might be handy).

July Gan

11-15-06, 10:57

I am very sad to say that I agree with recent comments about this place. It was my first introduction to termas in Rio 6 years ago. The place rocked. For me it was Adult Disneyland! I fell in love with the place and with several of its staff.

I had not been there for over a year as I have had a GF in Rio who kept me away from this particular establishment.
Over the last couple of months I have visited the place 3 times. Apart from a lick of paint in the relax room externally the place has not changed much but the place has lost it.

Jacqueline, its great masseuse, has gone, to be replaced by a much inferior substitute.

The always friendly receptionists and bar staff seem have gone too.

But first and foremost, the quality of the girls has gone done noticeably. In my last 3 visits I only saw 2/3 8s and plenty of 6s and below. The place was pretty empty of mongers.

My sole reason for visiting now would be to get Ingrid´s cell phone number and arrange to see her after hours. If anyone has it, please PM it to me. IMHO she is one of the top pros in RJ, in looks and performance.

I hope it is just a phase as L´Uomo´s demise would mean to me like seeing the chopping of the tree were you carved out your first girlfriend´s initials (I am the nostalgic type)

Please keep your updates

Rio Joe

11-15-06, 12:00

El Austriaco,

Once again, you bring up some terrific points. If I didn't have to get some sleep, I would try to answer each one. I think your main point is the media's failure to distinguish "legal sex tourism" from "child sex tourism." I'd hoped to draw a clearer distinction in my article, but it seems I fell short of the mark. In my book proposal, I devote quite a bit of space to differentiating these two issues. Your comments help to emphasize just how careful I have to be in keeping the two apart. I still think it's fair, though, to start out by addressing sex tourism as a whole and then breaking it into its legal and illegal components.

Rio is "a cidade de meus sonhos." I really see it as the closest thing to paradise I've ever experienced on earth. But I know it's not perfect, and I suspect there are unpalatable things going on that affect at least some of the garotas. As long as mongers are aware of these potential issues, and are determined to improve them when possible, or stay clear of them when it's not possible--well, that seems like the best anyone can hope for.

Trippleecks

11-15-06, 12:13

rio joe... first never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, believe any reports from any government http://estonia.usembassy.gov/prostit.php

any group affiliated with any religious orginazations
http://www.david-kilgour.com/secstate/childsex.htm "rev. david kilgour"

or any group with a financial agenda.

and here you offer an article from a gay magazine?
http://www.thegully.com/essays/us/p...speech_txt.html

Mangera

11-15-06, 12:53

Jackeline has given me the best massages I have ever received by anyone through out my travels. Granted, she is not the best looking broad, but who cares, its just a massage I look for. Unfortunately, she has been gone since the early months of this year. She was cool, we had some interesting conversations and laughs about relationships between men and women.

I think that was one of the first signs of the downfall of Luomos. I think the black receptionist at the front counter was a sweetheart. I never verbally said my name to her, yet she always remembers me and my name everytime I walk in through the front door. She always has a big smile on her face, can't remember her name now. I don't know if she is still there.

I will be there in the next few days. I am going to walk into Luomos expecting the worse, lets see what happens. Or maybe not go after all of these reports.

Royalflush

11-15-06, 13:26

that threadbare article could have been written by anyone with access to the isg, and it may as well have been about any destination covered on this board. it is nothing more than a cheap attempt to profit by free access to a public forum. what it comes down to is an expose of this site and an insult to all of us on this board owing to the association he makes with ****philia.

my personal wish is that someone now do an expose of rio joe. what does he look like? how old is he? when does he come to brasil? let's get an artist's rendering of him so when we identify him on the streets we can throw shit at him, set him up with trannys, put stuff in his drink, show him what we think of cowardly, little pricks who try to capitalize from our openness.

Member #4217

11-15-06, 16:00

Tom & jerry527,

Can you provide additional info on how, and where you got the CPF in 1 day. i was under impression it took 2 wks to process. also what info did they require and cost?
thanksToday is another holiday, and I am getting sick of so much f*cking rain! But, tomorrow, I will forward you a PM with the exact info to get the CPF in Ipenema. I actually found it here on ISG.

On another note, I found a damn near 10n in front of HELP last night. She was clearly the finest ass on the veranda. Lots of rain, lots of goratas, not much men, weasy settled for R$200 TLN. And it really was TLN! up until she left at 8AM

Photos later.

Tom

FoxesHunter

11-15-06, 18:06

Rio Joe

11-15-06, 21:46

My personal wish is that someone now do an expose of Rio Joe.RF,

I'll help you with the expose. Read my other articles on Rio--especially in Rockstar, Oui and Hustler magazines--for a much more enthusiastic view of mongering. (Although a little more homework and less whining from you probably would have found this stuff already.) In fact, I'm probably one of the few journalists in recent years with anything nice to say about mongering. It's fine if you want to rake me over the coals about my article in Front Magazine. But if you're going to make a sweeping judgement on me, at least base it on more info.

Thanks

Rio Joe

11-15-06, 22:04

my impression of your article is that mongers going to rio would seek out minors. i disagree on that point.

of course there exist **** girls working in copa with fake id's, but i doubt that's very common. i guess the gringo ****s going to rio are very few. i don't know where they look for their victims, but hopefully they end up in a brazilian prison (knee padding might be handy).i think you're right about rio not being a major destination for gringos seeking minors. (btw, does anyone know the precise difference between a **** and an adult who has sex with a minor? is it entirely based on the age of the child --i.e., if a boy/girl's less than x years, than the person who has sex with them is a ****? or does it also relate to intent? i.e., the person has to knowingly seek sex with someone under x years to be considered a ****? these are important distinctions and i want to treat them knowledgeably in my writing.)

one of my goals in the book i'm doing is to show how an "ideal" (mais ou menos) sex haven would function. from what i've experienced (admittedly, i've only mongered so far in rio and a few places in the dominican republic), rio seems the closest to ideal, with the least negatives in regards to the global sex trade. rio, of course, has its crime and other social problems, but the gdp scene still strikes me as amazing.

El Greco

11-16-06, 00:34

tom & jerry527:
can you provide additional info on how, and where you got the CPF in 1 day. i was under impression it took 2 wks to process. also what info did they require and cost?
thanks

Do not remember the exact address but it is easy to find. Taxi drivers should know. It is next to a school. All you need is your passport and an address where they can post it to you.
You also need a 5-7 reais receipt that you can get from a banco do brasil around the corner. There might be a line up there. Go there and get it first to avoid going twice to Ipanema. Once they have this and your application they will give you your CPF number. The plastic card will be mailed to your address. Mine was in about 7 days.
Do not forget, from the next year on, to fill the yearly declaration. I do it every October. Ask them for more details at the Ipanema receita office.

El Greco

Member 9578

11-16-06, 05:20

Hi, I am hesitant if I will reach Brazil or Colombia. If you know both, can you give me some info? Which of the two is more amusing for fucking?
I don't like brothels and no much bars.

I am not worried of the travel dangerousness but I want to know what is better.
I speak spanish and portuguese.

If you know both, can you give me some info, please?

ThanksI would say Brazil easily is the winner. The attitude toward great sex is a part of brazilian culture. Colombians in my opinion are just colder when it comes to sex. The one plus I give colombia is the short plane ride. If you want cbj and less passion go to colombia. Just my 2 cents.

Kos

Off Road

11-16-06, 05:30

Zidaho

11-16-06, 08:22

They are different. Colombia probably has more classically beautiful and young women in the business per thousand and I agree they are a bit colder. You definitely don;t want to travel outside the main cities of Colombia, unless you want a couple fingers sent to your family demanding ransom. Brazil has a much deeper (fun loving) culture, the beach and sting bikini are totaly Brazil. On the whole Beaches in Colombia (from what I have seen) are not great.

The Brasilada is who I think of when I hear the term Latin women. And you will be safe, pretty much wherever you travel. I'd say go to Brazil if it's your first time in South America, more options. But that said I know there are guys who differ.

Sperto

11-16-06, 09:34

btw, does anyone know the precise difference between a **** and an adult who has sex with a minor? is it entirely based on the age of the child --i.e., if a boy/girl's less than x years, than the person who has sex with them is a ****? or does it also relate to intent? i.e., the person has to knowingly seek sex with someone under x years to be considered a ****?
no difference. ****s and adults who has sex with minors falls into the same category, sick perverts. it doesn't matter if he knowingly or not seeked sex with a minor. a pair of scissors will solve the problem.

Member #4217

11-16-06, 14:24

Do not remember the exact address but it is easy to find. Taxi drivers should know. It is next to a school. All you need is your passport and an address where they can post it to you.

You also need a 5-7 reais receipt that you can get from a banco do brasil around the corner. There might be a line up there. Go there and get it first to avoid going twice to Ipanema. Once they have this and your application they will give you your CPF number. The plastic card will be mailed to your address. Mine was in about 7 days.
Do not forget, from the next year on, to fill the yearly declaration. I do it every October. Ask them for more details at the Ipanema receita office.

El GrecoThis info is exactly correct. This is what I found here before and it worked very well.

Any bus from Copo going to Ipenema will get you there. Go to the Bank first, tell anyone in a yellow shirt, what you want, and you will be out in 10 minutes.

Next day go around the corner to The Receita Federal, upstairs. You will gewt a number, and wait about 10 minutes.

Answer a few questions, and receive the number immediately. Card arrives at your address in 7 to 10 days.

Tom

1. Go to Banco do Brasil at Praca N S da Paz in Ipanema. Fill in an application. Pay a small fee.

2. Go to Receita Federal, around the corner. Some more questions to be answered.

3. Wait for about two weeks. Go back to Receita Federal and pick up your CPF.

Mine was posted to my address in Rio after about one week.

I had to go twice to the Ipanema office before. Once to file the aplication and the second time in order to give them the Banco do Brasil proof that I had paid about 7 Reais to them. Long wait at the bank though.

I guess that if someone go to the bank first will avoid the second visit.

The Corn Hole

11-16-06, 21:17

Ouch. It looks like Luomo has taken some pretty hard shots in the last few days. The damage these posts could do to their business could be extensive as a result. People always like to tout the awesome power of the gdp net but I'd like to think the ISG can also wield some awesome power as well. Looks like I'll have to take a pass on it on my upcoming trip in March. Shame I never got to step foot in the place. On my first trip I spent almost two hours trying to find it only to end up going to 4x4 in Centro instead, which actually turned out to be much easier to find and with it I found utter utopia.

FoxesHunter

11-16-06, 22:42

They are different.

Thanks for your advice. I don't like very much big town. Can you tell me if in Brazil the small towns are good for a good and pleasant sex?

Zidaho

11-17-06, 02:57

Other members are better qualified to answer this.

My experience is limited to the area around Florianoplois and a few small towns outside of Rio. The P4P scene from what I could find was very low key, hard to find and not that good. Not enough anonymity I guess.

Unlike Czech Rep. or Germany which has a strong P4P scene in it's small towns (all across the countryside), some stunningly beautiful local college aged women (particularly in CR).

Dodger Bulldog

11-17-06, 03:54

no difference. ****s and adults who has sex with minors falls into the same category, sick perverts. it doesn't matter if he knowingly or not seeked sex with a minor. a pair of scissors will solve the problem.now that's a bit harsh. why would intent not matter in this instance? it matters in every other crime.

for example, when someone is murdered the law defines it as first degree murder, second degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, justifiable homicide, or the result of reduced mental capacity. the result was the same in each instance, but the difference was the intent.

the law broadly makes any sex act with a minor illegal; because of course everyone would cop the plea that they "did not know." but in some cases, it might be true.

and that would certainly not make someone into a "sick pervert."

we are all entitled to our own opinions on the matter, but we are not entitled to our own set of "facts." and in fact, the word **** has a specific definition in the english language, and quite frankly, it isn't even arguable:

"the american psychiatric association in its main diagnostic manual, the dsm-iv tr, defines a **** as somebody who “over a period of six months, [has] recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges or behaviors involving sexually activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 or younger)”. it further states that the person has either acted on these urges or as a result of the urges has experienced marked distress or interpersonal difficulty. in other words, the **** may have acted upon the urges but did not necessarily do so"

the term ****philia is further clarified by fagan, wise, schmidt and berlin, who in a 2002 paper entitled "****philia" wrote:

“terms such as ‘child sexual abuse’, ‘[CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128)’, ‘child molestation’ and ‘pederasty’ are not equivalent to ****philia. terms that denote sex with minors are criminal actions; ****philia is the sexual attraction to children. not all who sexually abuse minors are ****philic. for example, some who sexually abuse minors may opportunistically select minors simply because they are available. sex with a minor is not, ipso facto a determination of ****philia. also, not all individuals who fulfill the diagnostic criteria for ****philia actually abuse children.”

for anyone interested in exploring this further, here is a source: http://hfp.puellula.org/polemic/whatis.html

as a professional, i have worked with many true ****s, both incarcerated and in treatment programs. these are people (men and women) who live for sex with minors. they often plan their entire lives around searching for it.

the next level of a sex offender is one who succumbs to temptation from opportunity, e.g., a stepdaughter or babysitter. it is usually a one time thing. but still very illegal, and it is easy to see that at the time of the offense the perpetrator knew perfectly well that what he was doing was wrong. in therapy, it would be foolish to take the same treatment approach to this group as to the above group, because obviously, they are not the same.

the next level is one who unknowingly commits the crime, in the mistaken belief that the minor was of age. he or she may have run across the person in a place where minors are not allowed, such as a bar or club (or massage parlor). maybe he was even told a lie, or even shown a false id. it is also illegal, but it is in no way comparable to either of the above offenses.

this last person also committed a crime but is defintely not a ****, by any accepted definition, or any stretch of the imagination.

in no way are the three persons in the above examples equal as ****s or "sick perverts." to say that just shows a lack of understanding of what the word means.

db

Zidaho

11-17-06, 05:36

DB those definitions bring accountability to the issue. Thank you.

MrK

11-17-06, 05:44

Oh man, tell me the demise of Luomos is not true.

I was there a few months back and did notice that the quality of garota was down. I figured it was the slow season so no big deal. I never had the hot water go out on me in the shower.

Of course, I spent a lot of time fooling around with Shayla. Unfortunately, she told me she would probably not work at Luomos anymore. I should have asked more about what was going on.

Luomos was the first terma I ever visited in Rio. I went there over 4 years ago. The receptionist was nice and explained everything to me. I was nervous on my first visit but everyone from the barman to the beautiful garotas were great to me.

Tell me it ain't so!

Sperto

11-17-06, 08:01

now that's a bit harsh. why would intent not matter in this instance? it matters in every other crime... in no way are the three persons in the above examples equal as ****s or "sick perverts." to say that just shows a lack of understanding of what the word means. db
"****s and adults who has sex with minors falls into the same category, sick perverts." i didn't mean that all adults who have sex with minors are ****s. just sick perverts.

the next level of a sex offender is one who succumbs to temptation from opportunity, e.g., a stepdaughter or babysitter. db
ok, not a ****, but still a sick pervert.

i respect your work treating ****s. in my small world the treatment would be quite different. scissor-treatment. anyway, this is just my opinion.

i'm sure there is a specific thread for this subject. lets go back to reporting on rio and bundas.

Zidaho

11-17-06, 08:16

I feel your concern. I am freaking out about Luomo, my touchstone. Things they are a changin. Arriving Dec 30.

Germano123

11-17-06, 09:08

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Full Throttle

11-17-06, 16:10

man, it's tempting to engage rj. thank goodness for ea and others who saved me the time. while i haven't been to thailand (a huge gap on my resume'), i can say that exploitation of **** girls is fought in dramatic fashion in all of the places i have been. that includes, chile, brazil, argentina, costa rica, colombia, panama, mexico and other places. it is not a part of the mainstream anywhere, and one would have to be quite sophisticated to find its availability on the black market. so, any article that does not unhitch this activity from ours is, by definition, invalid.

i haven't noticed a drop in l'uomos quality. is it possible that some have become jaded? in my own situation, i do not long to go there anymore because research here and on the ground has led to knowledge of high quality experiences elsewhere for much lower prices.

for a monger stepping off the plane in rio for the first time, i don't think you can do much better than luomos. as of last month, anyway, the girls are fun and friendly, the strip shows are entertaining, the beers ice cold, the sound system great, the staff friendly, i've never had a girl attempt a cbj, nearly all do anal, most happily provide phone numbers, and only a few have been a bit too pushy. even the food has been excellent of late! still, i would only go there on a saturday or sunday, 'cause 502 and aquarius have almost all of those things for 1/2 the price.

ft

Exec Talent

11-17-06, 18:05

For a monger stepping off the plane in Rio for the first time, I don't think you can do much better than Luomos. As of last month, anyway, the girls are fun and friendly, the strip shows are entertaining, the beers ice cold, the sound system great, the staff friendly, Even the food has been excellent of late! Still, I would only go there on a Saturday or Sunday, 'cause 502 and Aquarius have almost all of those things for 1/2 the price.
FT

I used to recommend L'uomo highly, especially for the new guys, which is why I felt obligated to retract my recommendation and let people know things have changed. Everyone I talk with is either on the way out or would love to get out of there. This has happened within the last month, which might explain your impression. I also think something is up with the girls going after hours with customers. I overhead one regular customer ask and get turned down flat, another who had seen the same girl for a few days, tell me when he asked, she said no and yet another quote a guy R$600.

When I was just in there I saw guys drinking water and two to three girls tagging them for red bulls and whatever (R$20 drinks). I really can't recommend new guys spend much time in that environment.

Everything I see, says get in the high-season mode of "gouge the gullible gringo." During low-season they kiss up because they need us, now they think they don't. Maybe that doesn't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) other people off as much as it does me.

FT -- you, and others have provided a whole list of other (less expensive) options. I for one am going to check them out. I also am compiling a comprehesive list of escort services which I will soon post.

Mahku

11-17-06, 18:08

hi all. i finished my first trip to brazil and with a few disappointments, generally had a good time.

helpee (where they play hippee hoppee)

against my better judgement i went back to this place a second time (after the first one that i reported on where i, as rio bob tactfully put it, went home and slept with my 200 reais). i saw the girl that tomjerry warned us all about. she was coming around and swooping in like a vulture. then she would leave and come back again 10 minutes later to see if the carcass was ready to pick at yet. she looks just like her photo and acts just like tom warned about. so she´s easy to avoid thanks to that helpful report.

this time i ended up with a blond, voluptuous girl whose name i´ve forgotten. she´s a good friend of one of the a lister types. i took her back for 250. probably could have bargained another 50 or so off of that but i was sick of the game. back at the room she wanted to be paid in advance. when i told her she could take it afterwards or go home she relented (haha! almost got to sleep with my money again!). the sex was just okay. but for help her attitude was better than the average.

for future trips i won´t be going to help much. there are some hotties for sure but most girls have serious attitude issues. and the negotiating does get tiring. also the place is full of guys who look like they haven´t been laid this decade and pay accordingly.

balcony bar

i took home from this place twice. on average the quality of girl here is a bit lower than help. but you can find 2 or 3 stunners on most nights. it´s also easier to get lower prices here. i took the girls home for 150 both times. one of the girls was east african looking (named desidi or something) and the other was classic morena. sorry but pics will have to wait until i´m home again in late december.

here is also a good place just to hang out and shoot the bull with other travellers and expats. it´s more laid back and not the desperate, gotta get laid now vibe that help has.

terma cancun

one of the termas in centro. the bar area is smallish but there was good quality. at around 8 pm like i went both times it was a bit full. i ended up with a petite, african dynamo named belle. we went to one of the slightly better suites for 170 for one hour. the regular ones cost 150. she´s a screamer and a moaner and good fun. she also said she likes to be slapped around but i wasn´t into that. blow job was uncovered. the shower here was a little cool the first time. i went back for a repeat performance another night with the same girl and the water was warmer. total damage with two beers was 205.

4x4

finally got here on the very last night. i had to choose between here and 502, which sounds like it may be better. but since 4x4 is the mos mentioned centro terma i figured i should check it out. again i was there at a peak hour around 8. i really should get my ass in gear and make it in the late afternoon. the place was packed and i could hardly move or spend time talking to the girls. i eventually resorted to sitting on one of the couches by the reception desk, which is next to the door with the bar. from here you can snag girls that are coming or going. i eventually got a tall, thin morena whose name i forgot. we went up to an ordinary suite for 150. she was ok, a bit institutional but nothing much memorable, which is probably why i don´t remember her name.

there´s a smaller, quieter bar upstairs where they play some music and show sports on a big screen. but not many girls hang there so that´s probably why it´s quiet.

l´uomo

this was my near neighbor at atlantico copacabana so i made it here a couple of times. i see that some of the veterans are down on this place comparing it to its former glory. as a first timer i was happy enough with what i found, not being able to compare it to any earlier experience. my first time there i found monica, one of those blond european looking girls that come from the south. she was dancing right by the door so she caught my attention right off. she´s about 5'5 with a well-proportioned body. she says she really wants a boob job, though i told her she looks fine without it. in the room she was a good gfe, but the blow job was covered. i went back another time and took her again, though there were 3 or 4 others around that i would have been glad to go with. the room i took was the cheapest and it didn´t have a shower. so i can´t say whether there was hot water or not. i forgot to note the prices but i think they were slightly higher than in centro termas.

boites

i tried going into 2 one night in copacabana. first i looked at frank´s and then to la ciccionlina. in both cases they were full of guys and i saw few girls that appealed to me so i left after a beer.

non pro (kinda sorta i think)

one day walking on ns copacabana avenue a very sweet looking body flashed past on the sidewalk. she was walking fast as a semi-workout so i had a hard time catching up with her. luckily a red light helped me out. i chatted the girl up and arranged a date for later. we went out to a place called asabranca where they play rumba and samba music. it´s near flamengo in the area where the tram train passes over a roman aqueduct looking bridge. it turned out to be a good date place. i saw a few attractive girls there but i bet the loud music and lots of local guys hanging around might make hitting on them problematic.

later we got back to the room and had a nice time together. she never asked for any money other than me paying for things when we went out. she works at rio sul mall as a cosmetologist. i have a hunch she may have been a pro in the past for the moment is out of the game.

during my time in town i hit on several sales girls in rio sul. they were always engaging and flattered at the attention. but my transient situation made getting together a hard sell and they politely turned me down. but it definitely would have been different if i would have been in town longer term. if i were in town a month or more i would probably settle on one or two regular girls and not hit the bars or termas so much.

El Austriaco

11-17-06, 19:57

the next level is one who unknowingly commits the crime, in the mistaken belief that the minor was of age. he or she may have run across the person in a place where minors are not allowed, such as a bar or club (or massage parlor). maybe he was even told a lie, or even shown a false id. it is also illegal, but it is in no way comparable to either of the above offenses.

this last person also committed a crime but is defintely not a ****, by any accepted definition, or any stretch of the imagination.

db
everyone read that last statement very carefully, especially the first part that says "this last person also committed a crime". there are reasons that there are warning signs about sex with minors in brazil in almost any p4p location (like meia pataca, for example). even my hotel has a big warning poster about child sex prostitution.

remember:

1) the age of consent in brazil is 18 years old.
2) check ids for birth dates if you take a girl to a love motel or your apartment. don't skip this.
3) if you take her to your hotel, she has to produce an id to fill out the registration form, anyway.
4) you should be fine in termas (i think).
5) if anything looks iffy (like the id), or she looks somehow young enough to make you concerned, just walk away.

remember, the alternative when caught is prison, your mug shot all over international newspapers, and a prime spot on the local sex offenders listing. you will have a lot of free time to explain you are not a ****. nobody will care, though.

well, back to reporting.

ea

Rio Joe

11-17-06, 21:35

Any article that does not unhitch this activity from ours is, by definition, invalid.FTFT,

I don't know what you personally do on your trips, but as I stated in my article, I'm sure most mongers limit themselves to consensual sex with women of legal age ("the opportunity to engage in carnal commerce without breaking the law is probably one of the main things that motivates sex tourists to travel so far from home").

Which article were you referring to that doesn't unhitch mongering from illegal activities? Whoever wrote it definitely needs to do his homework.

Bravo

11-18-06, 18:04

Why did they take Germano123 cameras? Is there more to this story than just taking pics and videos of the girls? Did they give you receipts for your cameras? You didnt lose them did you?

Sperto

11-19-06, 19:21

Hi, the next year I will reach Cuiaba but in that section the last advice was posted 3 years ago. Does someone know Cuiaba?
Some info please!
thanks
Cuiaba doesn't have much to offer for mongers. SW and some casas with GPs. The city is good for non-pro action. Unless you're going to visit Pantanal, which is superb, there really ain't any reason for going to Cuiaba.

Germano123

11-20-06, 07:59

Yes, really nobody knows why they took my cameras for some days. I think it was Monday when they took them and said in the first delegacia, that I would get them back on Friday.

I asked for a receipt, got it and was treated friendly. I cannot complain about any bad behaviour.

Only, when they told me I have to call the emergency number of the police to get the address of the other police-station, where to catch my equipment.

I said, I will not understand on the phone, why they don't give me the address now? I had to insist several times, until a policeman wrote very harsh: avenida Mister Hull. When I saw that name, I thought its a false address, but another police-woman wrote down the address and the phone. It was correct.

The german consul knew the woman (42 years old) of that other policestation, but could not manage to get my cameras back faster.

I took some fotos and videos of the two girls in bikinis.

Two policemen on two quads came and checked the IDs of the girls, it seemed to me everything alright, when they went off.

Five minutes later I got the problems with about ten policemen and that 42 year old woman.

On the police station, some days later, she even didnot want to speak with me, when I wanted to explain to her, that I want to film some other beaches.

She said very rude: we don t want this kind of tourists heres.

I think she was thinking of sex-tourists and trying to discourage them from coming to brazil.

This is the only explaining I found.

Because there was no illegal thing I did.

We where on a beach with a lot of people, I did not take fotos topless or whatever. So what?

When I went on fridayto get my cameras, there was a very kind 26 year old woman, that had to ask me a lot of questions, she had written down by the chief of that station. They wanted to know everything: what countries do you know. Do you live alone in your homecountry, what are the names of your parents. Whom do you know in brasil. And a lot more.

So thats all I can say.

It was some days before the presidential election and the consul said, sometimes they make some kind of political actions, that nobody understands.

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Full Throttle

11-20-06, 17:29

nicely done, mahku. a couple of comments...

hi all. i finished my first trip to brazil and with a few disappointments, generally had a good time.

helpee (where they play hippee hoppee)

...
for future trips i won´t be going to help much. there are some hotties for sure but most girls have serious attitude issues. and the negotiating does get tiring. also the place is full of guys who look like they haven´t been laid this decade and pay accordingly.

astute observations. however, it is fun and should be part of every monger's rio experience. go there for the music, dancing and the flirting. if you get laid by the girl you want for the price you want, consider that a bonus. "sleeping with your 200r" just leaves more money for the next morning!

balcony bar

..here is also a good place just to hang out and shoot the bull with other travellers and expats...

a little loud and smoky for that, though, unless you're outside or on the outside row. also, i can't get past the acidic-smelling bathrooms that's caused by lack of cleaning. the same smell that you find in the atlantica bathrooms by help. also, the beer prices are absurd.

4x4
i had to choose between here and 502, which sounds like it may be better...

my opinion: 502 is not as nice a place all around and the girls are not quite the same social class even if similar in looks. for $122/hour at 502 versus $200/hour at 4x4, i'll end up at 502 more often, but, in my heart of hearts, i think 4x4 may be a better place.

l´uomo
...my first time there i found monica, one of those blond european looking girls that come from the south... in the room she was a good gfe, but the blow job was covered....

i know not everyone agrees, but a cbj generally disqualifies a session from being gfe, especially in rio and especially at a high-priced rio terma. just my opinion, but i bet it's shared by many.

i forgot to note the prices but i think they were slightly higher than in centro termas.

all-in $250/40 minutes versus $180/40 minutes at cancun or 4x4. 1 hour difference even more.

non pro
...later we got back to the room and had a nice time together. she never asked for any money other than me paying for things when we went out. she works at rio sul mall as a cosmetologist. i have a hunch she may have been a pro in the past for the moment is out of the game.

great job!!

Sperto

11-20-06, 20:18

In fact I like a non-pro action experience. I am goodlooking a 50 old man and I know a little bit Portuguese. In your opinion is it easy to get sex in Cuiaba?
Do you know some more interesting small towns?
Thanx
Cuiaba is good for non-pro's, but there are cities even better. I made a post today in Other Areas. It might help you.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=532479&postcount=209

Exec Talent

11-22-06, 07:14

OK. Call me an idiot. I still was hoping I got it wrong about L'uomo but my opinion was confirmed by another veteran whom I met in the change room. He said, "This place has really gone downhill. It is worse than Help. There is not one girl worth doing." He, like me, left in about an hour and just paid the entrance. Speaking of which, the 50% discount before 7 PM applies only if you take a girl. However, another guy next to me (Brazilian) didn't take a girl and had no entrance fee. Looks like they are sticking it to the Gringos again.

Management has the bar and the girls pushing the high-price speciality drinks. As far as I know the girls don't get a commission, I guess it is just cool to walk around with an expensive pink drink or R$15 Red Bull.

Is it possible to go back and delete all my posts at one time where I recommended this place?

As promised, I did post a partial list of escort sites under the escort section.

Tricksta

11-22-06, 15:55

I am in Rio right now and have hit most of the termas in town over last week. I can make the following observations. In Copa, Monte Carlo is loaded with talent right now and just blows away Luomo's. Luomos does still have about 3 or 4 girls that are true stunners -- Shayla, Bia, Mariana, Ingrid -- but Monte Carlo has many, many more. This is the best selection I have seen at Monte Carlo in my five or so trips to Rio. As for Centro, I just see no reason why you would go anywhere else but 4X4, which continues to be spectacular (but, as always, very, very crowded). I was very disappointed with the dearth of talent at Termas 502 and at Termas Cancun. Not only was there very little talent at these two Centro options, there are very few girls working there. So, if you like to be spoiled for choice, why not go to 4x4 with its 90+ girls. I will say, though, that I did go to Termas 65, another Centro option, for the first time, and it is worth the trip. Like folks on the board have been saying, 65 offers a decent selection of pretty attractive girls and is more upscale that 4X4. In JB, termas Solarium was terrific -- but, as always, it is a hassle to get all the way over there from Ipanema or Copa. I still owe a stop at termas Rio Antigo.

Exec Talent

11-22-06, 18:49

I reported about two weeks ago on Ana Paula, a stunner whom I had met at Balcony. Well, today I ran into her on the street. She looked even more beautiful in the daylight. I think she is one of the 10 best looking girls I have seen in Rio. Now, the bad part. She told me she has gotten religion (was wearing a Deus T-shirt) and is going to marry a German guy. I asked her if she loved him and she said he was cool as she looked toward the ground. Her eyes did brighten however when she mentioned how much money he had given her. I guess her god takes donations!

If this is your girl and you read this forum, then congratulations. She will make Deutschland this time of year a much warmer place.

Member #4217

11-22-06, 18:51

I should be in front of HELP around 11:30. I will go inside a few minutes before mid-night.

It should be a good night for girls and prices, as the rent is due in a couple days. I actually had 2 former girls call me in the middle of the night, last night.

I will be in jeans, and a blue sleeveless shirt. Beard, and glasses.

And, I always take a glow stick with me. It gets the interest up!

See ya at HELP.

Tom

Carlos Primeros

11-22-06, 23:07

If Ana Paula makes one monger in cold Germany happy - let it be. ther are approx. 1000 other tlents waiting for the discovery by you Exec Talent - keep on mongering

Carlos Primeros

Soon in the country (****-ry?) of pussies.

Full Throttle

11-22-06, 23:16

I reported about two weeks ago on Ana Paula, a stunner whom I had met at Balcony. Well, today I ran into her on the street. She looked even more beautiful in the daylight. I think she is one of the 10 best looking girls I have seen in Rio. Now, the bad part. She told me she has gotten religion (was wearing a Deus T-shirt) and is going to marry a German guy...

How depressing is that?? I had just about accepted the fact that she was gone forever after not seeing her for a year until your pic gave me profound hope. Now, that's given way to despair.

She was so sweet and passionate.... bummer!

FT

El Austriaco

11-23-06, 01:30

How depressing is that?? I had just about accepted the fact that she was gone forever after not seeing her for a year until your pic gave me profound hope. Now, that's given way to despair.

She was so sweet and passionate.... bummer!
Don't despair just yet, FT. I remember back in 2004, I once had a very interesting conversation with probably the most stunning girl I have ever seen in Rio, a perfect 10 if there ever was one. She was a blond with the name of Monique who used to hang out in MP all the time, sort of helping some other garotas communicate with who didn't speak any English. For whatever reason, I never went with her (reasons too long to explain), but over the weeks, we became sort of good friends. Monique spoke outstanding English, just perfect, not the kind you can learn in school anywhere. That's when she told me she had been married in the States to a rich guy for two years. Which led to the inevitable question:

"So why are you back here in Copacabana?"

Her answer was plain and simple. "Because this is my world, you know. This is what I know. This is where I feel at home."

Don't despair yet, FT. Ana Paula might be back much sooner than you think.

EA

The Watcher

11-23-06, 04:42

Brazilman

11-23-06, 08:11

Whats with all the talk about the termas going down. I was there recently and the usual were all worth going to: monte carlo,solarium,44,luomo,terma aerporto,and terma 65.Your there for a WEEK, CHECK THEM ALL OUT. Its hit or miss but they are all worth a check. The usual to avoid are : rio antigo,terma cancun and cent*****us because of the mgmt and price. Rio antigo is AWFUL!!! Never go there!!!

Member #4217

11-23-06, 15:29

It should be a good night for girls and prices, as the rent is due in a couple days. I actually had 2 former girls call me in the middle of the night, last night.

TomI do not get it. Clearly more girls than guys, and yet these girls are still asking for outragious prices!

Where is this coming from?

So, at 2 AM, I walked out alone. And, 2 blocks later. Look what I found for $R140 TLN! For both!

The fotos of these 2 lovely girls are in the photo section.

Tom

RexG

11-23-06, 22:33

I recently spent 10 days in Rio (after 3 days in Sao Paulo). During my stay, I visited L'uomo 4 times. I must agree with some of the recent complaints; however, I think it is premature to consider Luomo as being in the same league as Centaurus. I also thought the female selection at Luomo was still pretty good. There are still some sweeties there. I am partial to Priscilla and Angel. I have really good chemistry with these girls. GFE, BBBJ all the way. Duda is a real cutie, although I didn't enjoy my sack time with her as much.

I was all set to dispute the hot water problems. During my first three visits, I had no problems with hot water running out, and I take a lot of showers at these places. But then on my final visit, I did run out of hot water.

And I must admit that I don't track the drink prices very closely. However, I never felt like I was being hustled for drinks at L'uomo. I don't believe that I ever bought more than one drink for any girl that I partied with. I think I did indeed buy one red bull. I don't know how much I paid for it, but I am pretty sure it was less than the R$35.00 that I paid for one at Bahamas (in SP) last May.

I also visited Monte Carlo and Centaurus (one time each). Yes I still go to Centaurus even though the management sucks. In the past I have come across some real stunners there. Not so this time. The girls behaved as badly as the management. I left without partaking. (I long ago learned not to pay the package price up front.)

So yes L'uomo has slipped a bit, and it is a little more expensive. But for this trip, L'uomo was still tops for me. Then Monte Carlo. Centaurus was worse than ever.

Of course, YMMV.
Rex

Mahku

11-24-06, 15:36

I do not get it. Clearly more girls than guys, and yet these girls are still asking for outragious prices!

Where is this coming from?

So, at 2 AM, I walked out alone. And, 2 blocks later. Look what I found for $R140 TLN! For both!

The fotos of these 2 lovely girls are in the photo section.

Tom

I don´t think it´s in the number of guys, but the horniness and stupidity thereof. Good work not giving up though and going home happy in the end.

Mahku

11-24-06, 15:41

Nicely done, Mahku. A couple of comments...

Astute observations. However, it IS fun and should be part of every monger's Rio experience. Go there for the music, dancing and the flirting. If you get laid by the girl you want for the price you want, consider that a bonus. "Sleeping with your 200R" just leaves more money for the next morning!

A little loud and smoky for that, though, unless you're outside or on the outside row. Also, I can't get past the acidic-smelling bathrooms that's caused by lack of cleaning. The same smell that you find in the Atlantica bathrooms by Help. ALSO, the beer prices are absurd.

My opinion: 502 is not as nice a place all around and the girls are not quite the same social class even if similar in looks. For $122/hour at 502 versus $200/hour at 4X4, I'll end up at 502 more often, but, in my heart of hearts, I think 4X4 may be a better place.

I know not everyone agrees, but a CBJ generally disqualifies a session from being GFE, especially in Rio and especially at a high-priced Rio Terma. Just my opinion, but I bet it's shared by many.

All-in $250/40 minutes versus $180/40 minutes at Cancun or 4X4. 1 hour difference even more.

Great Job!!

Thanks for the positive feedback Full Throttle. This Rio thread is good for having lots of veterans posting useful stuff and it really helps a guy in Rio for the first time.

You´re quite right about CBJ and GFE. I guess what I meant to say is that it was as GFE as such an encounter is going to be.

And I agree about Balcony Bar being smoky and unpleasant in the interior parts. I tried to stick to the outside or the row of tables nearest the outside. One of the girls I took out from there I first saw in the back and I just invited her to sit with me outside.

Ibiza007

11-24-06, 16:24

Ola,

For anyone in Rio on Saturday Dec 2, Lazer 502 is having a big outdoor party. I heard it was at some ranch or something, but the unconfirmed details are:
1. Price R$150 - total
2. Includes fucking as many girls as you like from 11:00am to 5:00 pm, and includes a bar - b - que as well. I do not know any more info than this, but you can go visit before Saturday of next week and get the details, there is a sign on the wall when you walk in at the top of the stairs. Maybe they have a bus or something arranged for transportation.

This is like a customer appreciation day, and you will not have to battle all the Carioca guys who hang on the girls but never fuck them, they will stay home as the price is to high for most. ANd it is a Saturday, when they are not normally open anyway.

Unfortunately, I cannot go, unless I can change my plans, but this would be very fun. I recommend, Aline, Marisa, Camila , all very nice.

Something you should take advantage of is at Lazer 502. Two guys, can take two girls, too two side by side rooms, have fun with girl one for 30 minutes and then yell "SWITCH" to your friend and then the girls change rooms. Same price, no upcharge, R$112 total. Oh what fun we have been having in 502!!! Maybe a 3 some for 90 minutes is possible as well

Ibz

Sperto

11-24-06, 16:25

I am a English guy, wishing to sell my brand new Sony Vaio laptop. I brought it in August, but since then, brought another one, and therefore don´t need it.
I know i´m off track here a bit, but it comes complete with wireless internet access, and bluetooth, so you can access the internet all over Rio de Janeiro, including Copacabana, and Ipanema.
I paid just under $2,500 US DOLLARS for it, around R$10,000, and wish to sell for around R$5800 Brazilian money.
You paid US$ 2500 and want to sell it now for R$ 5800, equal to US$ 2685.
Please, can I have two? :)
P.S "Brand new".. You paid R$ 10000 equal to US$ 2500, gives a rate of 4,0. Wake up!

Sunset Strip

11-24-06, 22:05

I see Rio Bob posted some pics of my girl Kezi on 5/19/06. You all should check them out. I will post mine soon. She is the one, if you regulars remember, who I usually have in Mabs sitting around with short skirts and no panties. HOT!

I am really busy right now and may not be able to get back to Rio until the summer (our summer, not theirs). But keep up the good work guys with the posts and pics.

TJ

El Austriaco

11-25-06, 01:33

I do not get it. Clearly more girls than guys, and yet these girls are still asking for outragious prices!
Easy. That's the Copacabana GDP tactic:

1) If you just find an inexperienced tourist (read: fool) paying R$ 300.00 every third day, you are still grossing R$ 3000.00 per month.

2) Even if you just find a fool once every week, you are grossing R$ 1200.00 per month.

3) Compare that to GDPs working in the local segment in Centro or at VM fucking guys for R$ 20.00 to R$ 30.00 a pop.

4) Compare that to a Brazilian minimum salary of R$ 380.00 per month now, or a college graduate with a few years of work experience making roughly R$ 1000.00 per month.

Keep that in mind and you will understand why these girls are in Copa looking for hapless tourists: because there simply is no easier way to make a lot of money for them, not by a looooooooooooooong stretch. Especially now at the beginning of tourist (by their own definition: fools) season.

EA

Sprite13

11-25-06, 08:19

Trippleecks

11-25-06, 12:22

Sprite13.. I would think that most people going to Rio for Carnival will not be leaving the day after it ends. There are many people, like myself, that stay for a few more days. You may have a problem finding a place to stay.

Member #4217

11-25-06, 13:34

And I agree about Balcony Bar being smoky and unpleasant in the interior parts. I tried to stick to the outside or the row of tables nearest the outside. One of the girls I took out from there I first saw in the back and I just invited her to sit with me outside.R5 for a skol, and R5.50 if the waitress brings it to you!

5 beers, R27.50!

I will just pick them up outside, and in front, thank you.

It isn't the amount of the robbery! It is that I just do not like to be robbed!

Tom

Rio Bob

11-25-06, 18:26

I'm planning my next trip to Brasil and Rio. I am hesitating between two times:

a) End of Feb-to mid March 07, going there immediately after Carnaval ends.
b) Second time mid April to mid May.

Question: which time is better for the overall experience? Which is better in terms of weather, attitude of the girls and also price-wise? Is going immediately after Carnaval ends (actually the very next day after it ends) still at the insane prices for hotels and girls? Or does it drop after Carnaval to more reasonable pricing?

Thanks.

What Mr. Nodd says is probably true for him and tourists who fly into Rio like most of us here, he will still be there. But for the most part the Brasilians will not as evidenced by the traffic jam on the Ponte de Niteroi on the Wednesday after Carnaval. Most of the Brasilians who came into Rio will leave as the holiday is over and they have to get back to business. Do your inquires about a place to stay, you should find one at non Carnaval prices but still high summer prices.

I was there last May, the weather was great in the 80's most days but the beaches were more or less empty as it is not high tourist season, I didn't like this but you may. Attitudes of girls were good and prices were good but I didn't see the better quality pretty girls in abundance that you will see during the high season summer in February and early March. One small example of this would be that last January to March on escort websites both agencies and independents there were girls advertising that they were in Rio temporarily, I wanted to try these stunners out but by the time I got to Rio in May they were gone, disappointing.

Everybody likes something different so for me going in May although it was good for weather and price I was somewhat disappointed by the quality of the girls, others may disagree as to them price is more important and physical quality is not and that’s OK too. Yes prices will be more difficult to negotiate down during their summer but I’m hoping for more of an abundance of quality choices from an influx from all over Brasil for the Carnaval/summer season.