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Acenva
11-26-07, 21:40
Day 3

I awake to a wonderful bare back blow job from Clair as she has to go to class. She says she only does this part time, if you believe it. So I get up out of bed and walk her down to the lobby and give her 200R and 20R for the cab. I go back upstairs and crawl in bed with Julianna and sleep until around noon.

Before she leaves we have a wonderful afternoon session of multiple positions of sex, which ended with my getting her anal virginity.

After giving her some money 200R I decided I needed some time for my self to get something to eat and get my hair cut.

I decided it would be nice to spend time with a non pro friend (N) so cooked diner and invited her over. I was glad I did because I would be rewarded with some of the best free pussy. Sorry she had to go to work in the morning and I am always horny when down here. So off to Help.

Once I get to help I go to the back to exchange money at the rate of 1. 80R which is better that HSBC was giving. I decide to night that I wanted to try to catch up with a girl I saw during the day walking down Miguel Ligamous (spelling is off).

After a little bit of time talking with some of the fellow mongers and some of the GDP’s I decide to dance a little with Camilla which was a beautiful 20year old blonde standing around 5’6" tall and a nice round bunda. With a little get to know you upstairs I decided that I needed to take the a ride on the Camilla slippery slide. I asked if she was completa and she said yes. Si. You so Safada. What I like to hear. As we proceed back to the Apartment which she stayed in the same building, we renegotiated the price from 225R to 200R since she did not need a cab to get home after the night was over.

Once we were in the apartment and showered she attacked me like I was her last supper. I thought I was going to climax while she gave me a bare back blow job. I knew I had to last so I could give her at least 4 orgasms for the evening. I dined at the Y for more than 15 min until she could not take it anymore and said you can have what ever you want with me.

After that comment I started out in the missionary position, which quickly changed to cowgirl and then reverse cowgirl so I could watch that beautiful ass going up and down. Finally for round one I had to take her doggie style. Once we had a break and drank some Johnny Walker and red bull we went back at it. I thought she had great oral skill at first but the second time around just got better. Then it was time for me to enter the magical back door. She was very tight but once it opened up it was such a great ride that I could not last no longer than 20 minutes. I finally was done. So we cuddled and slept until 9 am in the morning to once again my phone ringing. So before she left I had to have one last time as a good morning wake up call. I said goodbye and gave her 200R and she asked how long will I be down for this visit and would like to come back before I leave.

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Jayf1970
11-26-07, 22:02
Why do you guys still go to Centaurus. I haven't been there in my last 3 trips. I boycotted that place and I meant it. I just replaced it with terma 65. Why would you go to a place that tries to rip you off from the minute you walk in. They tell the girls not to spend to much time with the guy. Mgmt wants them to close the deal or move on to the next guy. And besides, its 330 reals if you take a girl. Thats 200 us. I'll pass. You guys need to be strong and avoid at all costs.

Centaurus is one of those bipolar issues - you either love it or hate it. Mind you, even some of those who hate it (like me), will go back every once in a while for a change of venue. My range of overall experience there is 5 - 7, where as that at Luomo, Monte Carlo and Solarium is 6 - 10. Centaurus does, of course, have a lot of gorgeous girls. The best girls at other termas are on par with the best girls at Centaurus, but there are just fewer of them.

Also, I agree, I wouldn´t tell anyone how to spend their dollar (hard earned or not) unless specifically asked...

Acenva
11-26-07, 22:14
Day 4

As for the 9am phone call from my GDP girlfriend stating that she wanted to come over at noon and go shopping. I get up and go get breakfast and stop by my non pros work to see if she would like to come over this eve since she did not have to work this eve.

While I was going down to the elevator I ran into 3 beautiful ladies named Amanda, Fernanda, and Joyce they happen to live on the same floor as I did. Which I will have to stop by and visit.

I make it back to the apartment around 1 pm to find waiting for me my girlfriend Rita waiting downstairs and wanting to come up. Which is great because we have a great chemistry and great sex. She is still mad at me for my past trip and this trip for all the fun I am having. I say to her what is the difference as you are with clients and I am supposed to only have her. No way. When we get upstairs in the apartment it is like on for 2 old lovers.

She gives some of the best head possible. I dine at the Y for awhile until I can not wait anymore to punish her pussy and ass. After a couple hours of sex in multiple positions we decide to go get a bite to eat and go by her apartment where she and 5 other GDP’s live so she could get some change of cloths.

While she was changing my phone rings, which is a call from my non pro N(I will not give whole name because she is not in the program) said she wanted to see me this eve. I told her it would have to be around 8pm or so. I will come and meet her at her work.

Knowing that I will need to get rid of Rita I had to call a friend of mine who was down visiting and for him to call me at the apartment around 7pm to say we were going out to a club. Once Rita was changed we left to go shoe shopping real quick so I could get her back to the apartment and have some more fun. I ended up buying a pair of shoes for her to wear out for 125R. Now seeing my time was getting short I told her lets go to the apartment because I am going out with friends to go to Lapa for a dance.

When we get to the apartment we go ahead and have a quickie after we finish taking a shower together. After that she helped pick out cloths that I should wear for going to the dance in Lapa. While I was home the phone from downstairs rang and it was Deysece and she wanted to come over and I had to say no for now will call you back.

Around 8pm my phone rings from my non pro (N) about meeting her at her work. I proceed to walk Rita out to her apartment building and catch the next cab to (N) work.

We stop and get something to eat at one of the outdoor venders 15R that’s including chop and 2 beef kabobs and 1 pork. She takes me to this large club I want to say was called club 6 I do not remember the cost because she paid. The club was pretty crowed for a week night, and they played as she called it Hippy hop and funk. We left around 130am and headed back to my place for some great enjoyment.

Once back to my place I try to be gentle when making love to her and letting her take the lead. After having sex with all the GDP’s it is hard to take it slow and remember the romance part of kissing around the whole body. But it is like riding a bike you never forgetting how to be romantic. I will keep all the romance details to my self.

Around 400 I take her to get a cab back to her place. Once I put her in the cab I find my self right at the Veranda to Help.

At the Veranda to Help I find myself thinking I will try 1 more for the eve. I talked with Tamia and we negotiated for 100R plus 10R for the bus. She was from one of the favela and stayed until around 9am. She gave no Bare back blow job or anal. With that in mind I was not going to eat at the Y but I was going to pound away for at least an hour or longer. Of all the GDP’s I have taken on the visits to Rio she was one of the only ones who did not give BBBJ. After a long day I think it is time to sleep and stay away from the GDP’s for a while.

Day 5 is spent recuperating and going to the salon with Rita (GDP girlfriend #1 at the time) and resting up looking forward to my visit with my Non pro friend.

I did go to Rio Sul mall and get a couple new numbers of non pros as I needed help with my phone.

In the early afternoon I went to visit Amanda one of the girls I meet in the Apartment building. I spent an hour or longer hanging out at their apartment eating and watching TV because of the rain and I was tired. A special note to all the guys out there PLEASE CONTINUE SENDING THE LARGE SCREEN TV’S AND ALL THE MONEY FOR THE GDP’S TO ENJOY. I enjoyed watching the 2 FIFTY inch TV’s that one of the girls in the apartment’s boyfriend sent.

While I was laying there watching TV (big 50") Amanda went to go take a shower, one of her roommates rolled me over for a free Bare Back Blow Job to completion. Which as Amanda comes out of the shower I am Cumming all over her friend Fernanda’s face.

With that happening I will assume that I have no chance with Amanda the pretty young 20 year old with nice tits. I excuse my self to my apartment to clean up and to not have to be embarrassed about what happened. There is nothing wrong with being fed and getting free pussy.

After taking a nap I go out with my Non pro friend N who stays over until the next morning.

With that I will not be making any visits to Help or elsewhere.

Day Six will be spent in Netori checking out the cheap Apartments, I will post my finding in the Day 6 posting.

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Mr Enternational
11-27-07, 05:41
Day 4

Around 400 I take her to get a cab back to her place. Once I put her in the cab I find my self right at the Veranda to Help.

At the Veranda to Help I find myself thinking I will try 1 more for the eve. I talked with Tamia and we negotiated for 100R plus 10R for the bus. She was from one of the favela and stayed until around 9am. She gave no Bare back blow job or anal. With that in mind I was not going to eat at the Y but I was going to pound away for at least an hour or longer. Of all the GDP’s I have taken on the visits to Rio she was one of the only ones who did not give BBBJ. After a long day I think it is time to sleep and stay away from the GDP’s for a while.

Hey man, are you down there fucking my ho?

Undoubtedly you are talking about the girl in the second photo. I think she is cute but she is full of shit. She always carries a damn bag and hair clip. Talking about she is in school. *BLEEP* please. I gave her the same amount for all night, but she kept trying to leave after we fucked the first time. Negative. If I remember correctly I got about 2 seconds worth of BBBJ, but then again I may be remembering incorrectly. I definitely remember there being a sorry ass CBJ involved though and a mediocre massage. The main reason I got her was for the massage, not to mention the price! I wouldn't get her again though. She has no skills and has to be directed for every move.

JohnnyBraz
11-27-07, 09:44
Hi Fellows,

Does anyone know if the Millenium Copa hotel is girl friendly?

Thanks for any input.Why go to Rio and stay in a hotel, there are so many nice appartments to rent, right in the middle off all the action, and all are visitor friendly. Most have digital safe's and security. And to be on the safe side. When you arrive drop the security 20 reals each and tell them don't let any girl who comes in with you, leave without you. I'll be in hevan 17th feb. 3 weeks can't wait. Want to fuck a hundred women.

JohnnyBraz
11-27-07, 11:07
The girl with the yellow tube top is a regular on the beach and help. Has good prices and highly recomended from my experience. Has friends that give two somes and threesomes.What type off price should I expect from women off the beach out the from of meia pataca during the day for 2 hours. Including. I was a competetive bodybuilder 6 months ago, and still in good shape. Hit me back.

Acenva
11-27-07, 12:36
Hey man, are you down there fucking my ho?

Undoubtedly you are talking about the girl in the second photo. I think she is cute but she is full of shit. She always carries a damn bag and hair clip. Talking about she is in school. *BLEEP* please. I gave her the same amount for all night, but she kept trying to leave after we fucked the first time. Negative. If I remember correctly I got about 2 seconds worth of BBBJ, but then again I may be remembering incorrectly. I definitely remember there being a sorry ass CBJ involved though and a mediocre massage. The main reason I got her was for the massage, not to mention the price! I wouldn't get her again though. She has no skills and has to be directed for every move.Mr. E you are right she gave a poor covered blow job. She also carries a bag and is from one of the Favelas. I made sure everything was locked up tight.

Almotu
11-27-07, 14:49
Day 4 . . . While I was going down to the elevator I ran into 3 beautiful ladies named Amanda, Fernanda, and Joyce they happen to live on the same floor as I did. Which I will have to stop by and visit.

I make it back to the apartment around 1 pm to find waiting for me my girlfriend Rita waiting downstairs and wanting to come up. Which is great because we have a great chemistry and great sex. . . .

While I was home the phone from downstairs rang and it was Deysece and she wanted to come over and I had to say no for now will call you back. . .

While I was laying there watching TV (big 50") Amanda went to go take a shower, one of her roommates rolled me over for a free Bare Back Blow Job to completion. Which as Amanda comes out of the shower I am Cumming all over her friend Fernanda’s face. . . .
Thanks for painting such a nice picture with your stories. I think both Rita and Camila have cute faces while Claire has a great looking bunda. Which apartment building are you in and how can I rent an apartment there on my next trip :p Please share more of your photos. I am sure I am not the only one who wants to see more of Rita and photos of Amanda, Fernanda, Joyce, Julianna and Deysece. N is of course, off limits.

Mangera
11-27-07, 18:19
Well, after reading and seeing a few pictures of the material in 4 x 4, I am heading out there today. I had no plans of heading out to 4 x 4 on this particular trip, as I have plenty of safadas around my apartment. Two of them performed a tag team on me last night, so I am worn out. But I just want to sit and have a drink in that place with all of those freaky safadas walking around with their bundas popping out.

Its like a drug gentlemen, geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez!

Bravo
11-27-07, 19:23
Acenva, do you have a picture of Juliana? She sounds like a girl i know from help. lite skin, big breasts, great sex skills.

Tinair
11-27-07, 22:18
Greetings to all the senior mongers. I am coming to Rio on 2nd December. Is there any chance that we can go together to find some nice brazilian girls?

Looking forward to have some action in Rio.

Regards,

Tinair

Benjoe
11-27-07, 22:42
Is there still a long line for getting through immigration control when leaving GIG? Thankx.

SlimHoleDrill
11-28-07, 00:35
Great, great story. This does indeed illustrate the magic and attraction of Rio. Just a few thoughts....


They were truly nice people, interested in the US and my life, and happy that I seemed a pretty decent person, as opposed I guess the monger they thought every gringo was. They obviously had no idea that I had spent part of the last 2 days fucking Vanessa’s brains out and was hoping to do so again tonight. For that matter I don’t think that Anna realized that Vanessa used her pussy to help pay the rent.

From the older Brazilians I know, I expect everybody pretty well knew what was going on. They were young once and have not forgotten. The old man probably gets a little on side when he can and the old lady probably knows it. It's just that they don't get all worked up over it -- unless you make it too obvious. They sort of expect it. As far as P4P, maybe they just close their eyes, I don't have insight into that.


I gave them R$40 for the R$10 cab ride, but that was all of the cash I gave them. Now it is true, that through the afternoon evening and night I had blown through about R$600, but I think if you view it on a value basis, treat them like a girl friend not like a ***** and the value quotient goes way up, even measured by Brasilian standards.

Definitely short term value, but there are other perspectives. I have a friend that says you ALWAYS pay one way or the other. And it has been said more than once that you don't pay them to stay, you pay them to leave.

Enough philosophy, however it works out, what a great experience.

Slim

Tinair
11-28-07, 02:14
Greetings to all fellow mongers. I'm coming to Rio on 2nd Dec and hope to find some action there.

Is there anyone there on that date andhope we can find some action together.

Regards,

Tinair

Tinair
11-28-07, 02:58
I'm coming to rio on 2nd dec. any mongers thereat that time? It'll be great if we can look for some action together.

Mangera
11-28-07, 03:28
Its just past midnight, and I just got in from 4 x 4. I have been reading some recent posts about this place with mixed reviews. Let me just state for the record that I regret not walking into that establishment with a loaded gun ( cum). I was spent from a threesome the night before.

I think that was the best talent in abundance that I have ever seen at 4 x 4.
I saw at least 10 garotas I really wanted to bang ( just for the record, I am a picky motherf***er). But I only have 1 cock, and there was only one bullet in the chamber. What a difficult decision, honestly. I actually had to sit down and think about this carefully, and after an hour and a half and two Chivas on the rocks, I made my choice after several conversations with different women. I chose Carla, a tight, 20 yr old blonde with a great smile, and a great round, hard ass. Spent an hour in the cabina, and she took a pounding considering it took me forever to shoot my load.

Again, alot of garotas with amazing asses and they were not fat either. I think this place might just be hit and miss as I only go every fews months. But just as I gave Carla a thumbs up in the ass in the cabina, I also give a thumbs up to 4 x 4.

Think I will try out Solarium tomm. as my last pit stop in Rio before heading back to that dump we call " The land of the free" ( yea right!). LOL Laters!

Mr Enternational
11-28-07, 05:17
Is there still a long line for getting through immigration control when leaving GIG? Thankx.

Even when there is a line it goes quickly under normal working conditions. i.e. no strike in place.

Acenva
11-28-07, 05:50
DAY 6

After getting up around 9 am and fixing breakfast I decided to call my friend Claude to go with him to Netori. He stated that we will go at 12pm and meet near his apartment in Copacabana. With that in mind I decided to go to building 583 apartments 204 and see what talent was available.

I arrived at 1030 right after they had opened at 10 am and there were 6 girls available at the time. I had a flyer and once I find it I will post a copy of it. I chose to have a couple chops and talk with Bea 18 years old slim dirty blond and Bruna a 21 year old with a big juicy butt.

After 2 large Skols I decided I needed 50 min to get better acquainted with these young ladies. 85R per girl for 50 min and 2R per condom. As they lead me back to the larger suite to the right I asked if they could get 3-4 condoms.

Once we were in the room I asked could we take photos and would they like to come over later in the week. They said yes to both, but I could not show their face and list their numbers in my phone as just the letter B and BB. They stated that they would come over for TLN for 100R per girl. When all the photos are finished we proceeded to get down to business.

I chose to have the girls alternate giving me bare back blow jobs. Taking turns sucking on my cock was almost all I could take so I decided to have Bea sit on my face so I could taste the sweet young pussy. After 5 or so minutes I decided that I had to enter Bea, which was one of the tightest pussies I have entered. We started in missionary and proceeded to her being in the cowgirl position with Bruna sitting on my face so I could taste her pussy. I finally decided to take her in the doggie position and try anal, I couldn’t get in and the condom broke, so we stopped and changed condoms.

With the change I went ahead and entered Bruna in the doggie position, which she seemed to enjoy a whole lot by giving me her second climax. After seeing her have her second climax I decided to have her ride me reverse cowgirl, and have Bea sit on my face. We end up switching back and forth finishing out in doggie and using up 5 condoms and going over the allotted time to 1 hour.

After finishing up they led me to the shower (which was cold) so I could freshen up. My total bill for the 1 hour of fun was 190R which they do take Visa, and Master Card. I go ahead and say my good byes have a slice of pizza, a glass of coke, that they were having for lunch and went down the stairs back out to the street.

As we can tell I missed my ride with my Uncle to Netori so I had to catch the white van which only charges 4R for the whole ride. You can find these vans going along Alantica and N S Copacabana Ave. The ride takes you over past the ports and you want to get off at the Mc Donald’s in front of the ferry.

Once you get off cross the street (sorry I forgot the name) and go 3 blocks to an office building I want to say 383, go inside up through the 4 floors. We enter and the building and open the different doors to the individual parties. Some of the apartments had stripper poles and others only had bars. All of the apartments we went into sold beer from 2 to 4R per can.

I saw on the first floor a couple stunners in one of the first apartments we entered. But we chose to continue and go around in circles up to the different floors. I finally stopped at the 3rd floor and saw a cute little spinner. Light skinned morena named Naya stood about 5’3” tall just dancing funkie. The apartment was at the end of the 3rd floor hall #308.

I ask how much for 15 min and she said 15R and 1R for condom. So I decide to choose her and my friend chose one of the other girls. She had curly black hair nice d cup tits (34 or 36) and a nice round juicy ass. I asked if she would do anal and she said no.

Once in the room she proceeded to give me an excellent bare back blow job until I came in her mouth which she swallowed. I could not believe how great her oral skills were and she swallowed every bit. I still had a few min left and some how Sir James rose to the occasion to enter her covered doggie style with a finger in her ass. I did not have enough time to finish a second climax.

As I was dressing and she went to get a sheet for the bed, I grabbed my camera and tried to take a picture. She refused and ran out of the room… So I just finished dressing and came out and bought a skol and put 2R in the juke box for the girls to samba to.

After 20 min or so we decide to go downstairs to see if I could find the first girl I saw when we entered the building. To my luck after stopping into 3 different apartments seeing everything from the big girls to the butter faces, I finally enter an apartment on the 2nd floor and found a cute blonde.

I decide to take her as soon as I saw her behind the makeshift bar. She stood 5’ 6” tall with small tits and a nice round bunda, which I wanted to pound into submission.

At this place it was all 1 room with partitions separating the beds. Which I would not lay on that if you paid me. She started off with a covered blowjob and then bent over the bed for doggie. As I was pounding away at her pussy I asked if she would do anal and she said no at first. I offered and extra 15R if I could and she said that would be fine. With out lube I entered her heresy highway and pounded until my time was up and then some. We went over by 10 min because I couldn’t cum. As we were dressing I asked if she would come over and she gave me her number to come over for 100R all night plus cab. I did not call because I was so busy this trip but I will call in the future.

Once I had finished getting dressed I had a skol and paid my total bill of 15R +15R tip for anal +2R for music +2R for condom and 5R for the skol. The total was 39R for 25 min of good sex.

We decided to stop at the Mickey D’s and get a bite to eat before catching the 630 ferry back to Rio for 3R (15 to 30 min ride). Once we get to the ferry station in Rio we caught the 219 Bus to Copacabana for 2R. You have to watch for your stop because it runs on the street parallel to N. S. Copacabana.

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Amigox
11-28-07, 07:04
I think those girls were throwing gang sign in the those pics "cv"---comando something.

Sperto
11-28-07, 07:14
Once you get off cross the street (sorry I forgot the name) and go 3 blocks to an office building I want to say 383, go inside up through the 4 floors. We enter and the building and open the different doors to the individual parties. Some of the apartments had stripper poles and others only had bars. All of the apartments we went into sold beer from 2 to 4R per can.
Nice report.
Mongering in Niterói sounds interesting. A street name would help a lot.

Java Man
11-28-07, 07:16
Nice catch. I thought they were giving the Peace Sign.
CV= Comando Vermelho

Found his at wikipedia:
"Comando Vermelho (Portuguese for Red Command) is a Brazilian criminal organization founded in 1969 in the prison Cândido Mendes, on the Ilha Grande island, Rio de Janeiro, as a collection of ordinary convicts and political prisoners who were members of the Falange Vermelha (Red Phalanx), which fought the military dictatorship. During the entire 1990s the criminal organization was the strongest in all of Rio de Janeiro, but today the principal leaders have been arrested or are dead, and the organization is not as strong.

The Comando Vermelho still control parts of the city and seeing streets tagged with "CV" is common in many favelas in Rio de Janeiro. The principal rival gangs of the Comando Vermelho is the Terceiro Comando Puro (TCP, Pure Third Command) and Amigos dos Amigos (ADA, Friends of Friends). The Terceiro Comando Puro (TCP, Pure Third Command) emerged out of a power struggle amongst the leaders of Comando Vermelho during the mid-1980s.

The main base of operations for Comando Vermelho appears to be the Complexo do Alemao, where on Sunday nights they would hold Fazendinha funk parties, often attended by drug dealers from all over the city. In late June 2007, Rio de Janeiro police launched a large-scale assault on the area where up to 24 people were killed. [1]

Ross Kemp made a documentary about the Red Command (CV). The movie "City of God" or "Cidade de Deus" shows the early beginnings of Comando Vermelho. The DVD release of this movie contains an extra documentary "Notes of a Private War" which features interviews with the police and local children from the favelas (slums)."

Sperto
11-28-07, 07:17
I think those girls were throwing gang sign in the those pics "cv"---comando something.
Or maybe V for victory or just a peace sign...

Prosal
11-28-07, 11:20
Mongering in Niterói sounds interesting.
Try Touché, Ciao Martins or Piratas Café (don't know if this last is still open yet).

Regular girls in Niteroi are often friendlier and more approachable than those in Rio.

Heard that Via Show recently opened a new branch in Niteroi BTW. Any update ?

Sperto
11-28-07, 11:27
Try Touché, Ciao Martins or Piratas Café (don't know if this last is still open yet).
Regular girls in Niteroi are often friendlier and more approachable than those in Rio.
Excellent!
Thank you.

Clok Q
11-28-07, 19:25
"Immediately upon her exit, I called over a petite little spinner with white skin, curly hair and a GREAT smile. Unfortunately, she did not speak English and my Portugese is elementary; but this did not deter us from forging a relationship that was built with kissing, hugging, caressing and staring into each others eyes. As she disrobed, I noticed her small breast with THE LONGEST nipples I have every seen in my life – easily almost an inch and a half long! "

A first for me on any board. I sessioned with this girl at Luomo's when I was there in late April-early May. Her name is Rebecca (pronounced Hebecca as their Rs sound like Hs) and she was fantastic. My friend and I often give nicknames to our more memorable GDPs and I named her the Sensual One. The sex was slow, sensual and just what I craved after almost two weeks of the more frantic stuff. As is our tradition, we go to Luomo's on our last afternoon before we catch the evening flight home from GIG and I sessioned with her again. Great report JWNoot. Looks like we share a taste for the petite spinners. Can't wait to get back.

Thanos
11-28-07, 23:32
There are two main termases in niteroi. Termas excentric and so file. Excentric is located on the main street in centro about two blocks from the ferry. You can spot its bright yellow awning. 20r entrance. Girls are from 60 to 100R depending on your time. Thursday and fridays are the best nights. About 30 girls. Next door is a cheapie spot called Oasis. 10R entrance. Prices a little cheaper than Excentric. Around the corner from Plaza shopping (the huge mall) is So File. 10R entrance. Prices range from 45 to 90R for the girls. 15 girls everyday. Opens at 1pm. There's a huge apartment building #372 or 327 next to a bank. The first four floors are mostly working girls. Some doors have signs that say do not knock but 90% of them are low cost little bars with 3-10 girls in each. No stunners but cheap and plan on bringing your own sheets because it aint the taj mahal. More like villa mimosa in an apartment.

American Warrior
11-28-07, 23:53
Just arrived back from Rio after spending the last 10 nights there. I am glad that I am able to tell you this story of my error and past ways. I am by no means new to Brazil but my actions would make one think so. Short end of the story is that I was held in a favaela for a couple of hours when I trusted a female and accompanied her to what was suppose to be a funke party. During that time while up in the favalea, my only hope was to be able to return and believe it or not I was continuously praying that I be allowed out of this situation. The girl and a guy was debating on allowing me out but the guy insisted that they receive money. She explained to him that I was her friend. He stated that I was no friend cause I let her do cocaine. I did not know she was going to score drugs. Never ever trust any garota, I do not care how many years you have known her.

Her next argument to allowing me to leave is that I have a young daughter. His quit response was that I should have thought about that before I came in there. Next argument is that my brother is back at the hotel and he will give him some money. He told her to go back and get some and he would release me.

After what seemed to be like 10 hours (actually 2) the girl convinces him to come to hotel with me and I would give him money. I make girl get in cab with us. Upon arrival to the apartment, front desk lets us up cause of good relationship with apartment. To further add to injury the security guard opens the apartment door. Great now I am in an apartment with a guy and his gun and my brother not knowing he is at risk. I make contact with my brother and advis him I am in trouble. He calls front desk and security arrives.

Security pulls me out in the hall, I advise them of gun. We make it back into apartment 5 minutes later. Security tells the girl and guy to leave. Girl gets irrate and hits security.

End of story no. Security calls police. Police come and arrest the guy and take girl out in hall and beats her up. Police, girl and guy comes back into the apartment. Police state that they are going to take us to police headquarters unless payment is made. Short end of story the police were paid $1600. 00. So why am I telling this story is to make sure no one gets hurt by going off with a garota and most importantly to renounce my bad behavior of mistreating women.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Thanos
11-29-07, 01:24
Quedog,

The only lesson to be learned is one I've been preaching for years. NEVER go into the favelas and 95% of the time don't go with girls back to their homes or apartments. I know a couple of guys who went to visit two girls on avenida princess isabella across the street from. The girls got them in the apartment, locked the door and called their boyfriends to come rob them. Luckily the guys basically broke the door down and got out. It even sounds like "your" girl was in on the deal because she got mad at security. The bottom line: somebody was getting paid and you were going to be the payee.

El Austriaco
11-29-07, 01:24
End of story no. Security calls police. Police come and arrest the guy and take girl out in hall and beats her up. Police, girl and guy comes back into the apartment. Police state that they are going to take us to police headquarters unless payment is made. Short end of story the police were paid $1600. 00. So why am I telling this story is to make sure no one gets hurt by going off with a garota and most importantly to renounce my bad behavior of mistreating women.
First of all, let me say that I am glad you made it out of this quagmire. Whoo, what a story. But don't be so hard on yourself: as far as I can see, what you did maybe wasn't the smartest thing you do, but I don't see anything that I would classify as "mistreating women", not in the least. Go easy on yourself: we all have done stupid things (I sure have).

After reading your story over again, a few things come to my mind. Have you considered the possibility that the girl set you up in the first place and was in on the whole deal? I mean, that she took you to the favela specifically to get some extra money out of you? And once you got the police involved, they offered the police a part of the bounty? Sure sounds like it, the way you describe the girl getting irate when they tell her to leave (WHY for heaven's sake would she get upset about a guy being forced to leave that is threatening you AND HER?). And especially the part of the guy getting arrested and the girl beaten up by the police, but then, ALL THREE of them come back into the apartment for you to pay the...hmmmmm.. fine!!!! Does this sound like regular police procedure to you? Why would the guy even be involved in that? And what would you have had to fear by going to the Delegacia? You didn't do anything wrong, you were the victim being threatened with a firearm! Who knows, maybe the guy even was a family member, a brother, even her husband? Wouldn't suprise me in the least: it's Rio, after all. Questions over questions.

Also, the "drug" things sounds really weird, too. If the guy knew she was doing drugs, he was probably associated with the drug trade in the favela, possibly procuring and selling it to her. This would also explain why he could even do such a thing as holding an outsider hostage in a favela controlled by a drug gang. And drug lords certainly don't like anybody interfering with anybody who is just there to buy drugs, mind you. He probably concocted up a story of you spying or gathering information or something like that for his bosses, I imagine.

Anyhow, I agree with you that everyone should be aware of the dangers of heading off to the favela with any girl. Your story made me think of something I heard somewhere: "If the business is about fucking, someone is gonna get fucked sooner or later". As mongers, we always assume we fuck the girls, but sooner or later, we might get fucked over, too. Think about it: if the girl is willing to fuck with perfect strangers for money, why wouldn't she screw over a monger when she can get away with it relatively easily and the payoff might be huge, by her standards? And that's why the Rio board has its fair share of stories of girls drugging guys with Boa Noite Cinderela, colluding with the police, setting them up with drugs, getting themselves pregnant, inventing pregnancies, whatever scam and ripoff they can come up with. Like taking him to a favela.

Thanks for sharing your story, Quedog. Let it be a warning to everyone that, after everything is said and done, you don't really know the girls and what they are up to, regardless of how long you have been knowing them. Whether in Rio or elsewhere, but especially in Rio.

EA

Artful
11-29-07, 01:30
Jesus Quedog, your report gives me the chills. I had a similar experience in Colombia a year ago and, like you, felt it was all my fault. (see here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=574769#post574769). However, upon reflection, I blame myself much less and put it down to extreme bad-luck.

Bad luck is especially true in your case i think. Rio is much less dangerous than, say, Cali in Colombia (I'm not claiming Rio isn't dangerous before anyone starts - it is very just less so than Cali) so don't be to hard on yourself. When you say you were with this girl, it wasn't clear from your report, was she in on it?


Just arrived back from Rio after spending the last 10 nights there. I am glad that I am able to tell you this story of my error and past ways. I am by no means new to Brazil but my actions would make one think so. Short end of the story is that I was held in a favaela for a couple of hours when I trusted a female and accompanied her to what was suppose to be a funke party. During that time while up in the favalea, my only hope was to be able to return and believe it or not I was continuously praying that I be allowed out of this situation. The girl and a guy was debating on allowing me out but the guy insisted that they receive money. She explained to him that I was her friend. He stated that I was no friend cause I let her do cocaine. I did not know she was going to score drugs. Never ever trust any garota, I do not care how many years you have known her.

Her next argument to allowing me to leave is that I have a young daughter. His quit response was that I should have thought about that before I came in there. Next argument is that my brother is back at the hotel and he will give him some money. He told her to go back and get some and he would release me.

After what seemed to be like 10 hours (actually 2) the girl convinces him to come to hotel with me and I would give him money. I make girl get in cab with us. Upon arrival to the apartment, front desk lets us up cause of good relationship with apartment. To further add to injury the security guard opens the apartment door. Great now I am in an apartment with a guy and his gun and my brother not knowing he is at risk. I make contact with my brother and advis him I am in trouble. He calls front desk and security arrives.

Security pulls me out in the hall, I advise them of gun. We make it back into apartment 5 minutes later. Security tells the girl and guy to leave. Girl gets irrate and hits security.

End of story no. Security calls police. Police come and arrest the guy and take girl out in hall and beats her up. Police, girl and guy comes back into the apartment. Police state that they are going to take us to police headquarters unless payment is made. Short end of story the police were paid $1600. 00. So why am I telling this story is to make sure no one gets hurt by going off with a garota and most importantly to renounce my bad behavior of mistreating women.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Carrib
11-29-07, 02:09
its been quite awhile since I posted here and let me say that is quite a story. For what its worth, I am glad that u made it out okay and hope this is a lesson learned.

I have been to Rio many times and never set foot in a favela-been invited many times but always declined..I don't hang out in the hood here why in the heck would I do it in Rio? I know that may sound bad but most folks who would not dream of going to Watts or the south side chicago in the US--but will happily go to a favela. GO figure

Your girl set u up....u got kidnapped, when the cop came he wanted his cut--they all got together, got u for 1600 reals...

This is the part that confuses me.....
Security pulls me out in the hall, I advise them of gun. We make it back into apartment 5 minutes later. Security tells the girl and guy to leave. Girl gets irrate and hits security.

did he have the gun on u? why did u bring him upstairs into the apt? it appears that security could have easily kept them downstairs--once in your apt they would have been SOL.

I had a troublesome GDP who got pissed over 20 reals (taxi money) --she threathened to break things in the apt...I quickly got up, dressed and convinced her to go downstairs..told her to go hail a cab..once outside the building I locked the gate and went upstaris and watched her curse for 15 mins in the Street while his meter was running.LOL

Andre3000
11-29-07, 02:18
Hello Thanos,

How would you compare the therma quality in Niteroi to the ones in Zona Sul?

Andre

Andre3000
11-29-07, 02:23
Its just past midnight, and I just got in from 4 x 4. I have been reading some recent posts about this place with mixed reviews. Let me just state for the record that I regret not walking into that establishment with a loaded gun ( cum). I was spent from a threesome the night before...

Thanks a lot for the 4x4 report Mangera! We're waiting for your report and update on Solarium!

A.A

Thanos
11-29-07, 02:27
Living in Rio I hear these types of stories all of the time and 95% of the time the robbers, gdp, and police all know each other. Its a pretty simple setup arranged by cell phone. Almost ALL of the girls have no problems with robbing gringoes when they think they can get away with it. I know alot of guys will say, "not my girl" but the truth of the matter is they don't consider setting you up for someone else to rob as actually stealing from you. One girl sat at Meia Pataca and bragged about how she started arguments on purpose once in a monger's apartment so she could call her policeman friend who proceeded to shake her customers down. Taxi drivers are in on it as well.

Thanos
11-29-07, 03:51
Hello Thanos,

How would you compare the therma quality in Niteroi to the ones in Zona Sul?

AndreQuality of accomodations: basic and smaller. The rooms definitely aren't as nice. A bed, maybe a tv, and a fan. In the suites a bathroom and shower but nothing extravegant.

Quality of girls: mostly morenas so if you're a fan of blondes you may not like it. Some of the girls you'll recognize from zona sul. There are some ex monte carlo, lluomo, and 4x4 girls working there. Not as many girls but as attractive and as wild as any girls in zona sul. So File is really old school. When a guy walks in every girl must come over and introduce herself. The Hi-rise apartment building is grungy but the friends I've taken to the other spots all wanted to go back.

Latitude Cruz
11-29-07, 08:02
I am by no means new to Brazil but my actions would make one think so.

Quedog,

There's a delicate balance when one acquires experience and tries to avoid complacency. This is true in many walks of life. I am sure many fellow posters on this forum know what I am talking about.

Actually I think what happened to you is probably common for 2 types of gringos in Brazil:
1. The very very new tourist who has no idea what he's getting into.
2. The moderately experienced tourist who was careful and didn't fall victim in phase #1 above. He's been to Brazil just enough that he's getting comfortable and letting his guard down too much.

I appreciate you sharing your story. For those (like me, I think) in the second category of moderately experienced tourists...it will inspire me to keep my guard up so I can happily arrive at a higher level of experience. We don't have to make every mistake ourselves. We CAN and SHOULD learn from one another. By sharing your experience, you make that possible.

Please don't beat yourself up about your melee. Your actions are natural and normal. You renounce your mistreatment of women but there is nothing in your report that indicates to me you mistreated this lady at all. Don't be so hard on yourself! On the contrary I thank you so much for sharing your story, and I thank God you and your brother are home safe and sound.

A young aspiring businessman asked an older, successful businessman:
"How did you become so successful?"
--"good decisions" he replied.
"How do you make such good business decisions?"
--"experience" he replied.
"How do you get such valuable experience?"
--the older man smiled: "bad decisions" was his final answer.

LC

Jan 156
11-29-07, 14:05
That was a heck of a story Quedog - thanks for sharing. Police can be expensive but that sounds almost good value in the circumstances - cheaper than getting shot.

I go to favelas sometimes but pretty rarely. (Usually with a male Carioca, who often can not only spot trouble quickly but gets some leeway than non-Cariocas don't. I've often heard the phrase, "It's OK, he's a carioca.") I don't think you have to draw hard and fast rules - there's people on here who could get away with stuff that I couldn't - but the thing I got from your post was to be careful about getting out of your personal comfort/safety zone, which you were.

There's some travel reading I would recommend to all visitors to Brasil, new and old. It's called A Death in Brasil. It's a mix of travelogue and experience and to me is the most basic book on Brasil you can probably buy. It lets you see the 'dark side' from the inside and how close people maybe can get to the fire yet hopefully stay alive.

Nice post. Instructive in several ways.

Mr Enternational
11-29-07, 16:01
Just arrived back from Rio after spending the last 10 nights there. I am glad that I am able to tell you this story of my error and past ways. I am by no means new to Brazil but my actions would make one think so. Short end of the story is that I was held in a favaela for a couple of hours when I trusted a female and accompanied her to what was suppose to be a funke party.

It begs to question whether this girl is a gdp because I did not see this posted anywhere in the story. If she is then of course I would not trust her farther than I could throw her. Remember, as long as there have been gdps, there have been shady gdps who are not on the up and up and are in to hit the bigger lick.

If we really want to do "normal" things then it is best to find a non-pro for stuff like that and only use the gdps what they are meant to be used for: programs. No matter how many hugs and kisses and hey babys they give us, they are not our friends and we should not mix our personal life into the business transaction. Just MHO.

Pipe Layer99
11-29-07, 23:10
During my recent trip to Rio (8-27 Nov), I called up a GDP I met on a previous trip.
Elizabete, 19 yrs old, black, with nice fake tits. Good girl in and out of bed.
Anyway, we meet up and plan to go back to my apt. While walking to the apt, she asks me if I posted some pics of her on ISG. I said yes, why? She tells me one of the guys on here told her and even showed her the pics.
She asked me to remove them - told her I would. We get to my place and have a great session. Same low payment as before.

I wish the asshole(s) who tell GDPs this stuff would keep their damn mouths shut. If you know a GDP so well, you most likely had sex with her. Do you really think you are her one and only?!? As soon as she leaves your place she is on to the next guy with money. WTF are you thinking? Do you think you are scoring points with a GDP because you opened yout trap? Not!
She is still gonna bang and suck the next guy whether you tell her or not.
So keep your damn mouth shut!

Lucky for me she still liked me and still performed well. Otherwise I would have just sent her on her way and grabbed another one. DD

Rio Lover #2
11-29-07, 23:18
If we really want to do "normal" things then it is best to find a non-pro for stuff like that and only use the gdps what they are meant to be used for: programs. No matter how many hugs and kisses and hey babys they give us, they are not our friends and we should not mix our personal life into the business transaction. Just MHO.


wise words,

RL

Rio Lover #2
11-29-07, 23:21
I wish the asshole(s) who tell GDPs this stuff would keep their damn mouths shut. If you know a GDP so well, you most likely had sex with her. Do you really think you are her one and only?!? As soon as she leaves your place she is on to the next guy with money. WTF are you thinking? Do you think you are scoring points with a GDP because you opened yout trap? Not!
She is still gonna bang and suck the next guy whether you tell her or not.
So keep your damn mouth shut! DD

other wise words, see the full report from Donnie D, down below

RL

Rio Lover #2
11-29-07, 23:40
Quedog,

Thanks for your report, I am sorry what happened to you. I have heard of more stories like that.

More or less the same thing happened last May to a friend of mine, he was accompanied, back, to his hotel from a favela by a girl and her armed friend.
Police showed up just a couple of minutes after my friend had arrived at the hotel, the police went up to the room and threatened to take my friend to the delegacia. Damage 2100 reais, a digital camera and a laptop.

It happens often.

RL

Chris H
11-29-07, 23:48
During my recent trip to Rio (8-27 Nov), I called up a GDP I met on a previous trip.
Elizabete, 19 yrs old, black, with nice fake tits. Good girl in and out of bed.
Anyway, we meet up and plan to go back to my apt. While walking to the apt, she asks me if I posted some pics of her on ISG. I said yes, why? She tells me one of the guys on here told her and even showed her the pics.
She asked me to remove them - told her I would. We get to my place and have a great session. Same low payment as before.

I wish the asshole(s) who tell GDPs this stuff would keep their damn mouths shut. If you know a GDP so well, you most likely had sex with her. Do you really think you are her one and only?!? As soon as she leaves your place she is on to the next guy with money. WTF are you thinking? Do you think you are scoring points with a GDP because you opened yout trap? Not!
She is still gonna bang and suck the next guy whether you tell her or not.
So keep your damn mouth shut!

Lucky for me she still liked me and still performed well. Otherwise I would have just sent her on her way and grabbed another one. DD


Man, thats wierd. When I had her back in July, when I was taking her pics, she said that she wanted me to put them online. I told her I don't know how, but it was funny that she wanted some advertisement in the summer, but now she does not want anything to do with being online.

Chris H

RagingBeast
11-30-07, 03:15
Hi all,

I am now in Rio staying at a apartment in Copacabana and could really use some local mongering advise on various things.

Any members in town that would like to get a drink and talk shop?

My local # 9901-3079 or you can PM me any help would be greatly apprieciated.

Thanks alot!

Dcsplicer
11-30-07, 07:47
Is there still a long line for getting through immigration control when leaving GIG? Thankx.

There were about 25 people in the line and 2 guys from immigration. I guess the one I got didn't like me because the other guy processed 3 people while mine was talking to him and checking his cell phone.

JohnnyBraz
11-30-07, 09:43
Acenva,

Does Rita go to Help or Meia Pataca? Swhe looks fucking horney. What is her prices?

I'll be in riofrom 17th Febuary for a month. Do you have a contact number for her?

Pipe Layer99
11-30-07, 21:25
Man, thats wierd. When I had her back in July, when I was taking her pics, she said that she wanted me to put them online. I told her I don't know how, but it was funny that she wanted some advertisement in the summer, but now she does not want anything to do with being online.

Chris H


First off - It was a good time hanging out with you in Rio. Gald we were able to meet up and have fun.

These girls change their minds like I change my underware. Obviously someone saw the pics, told her and she changed her mind about it. I figure she doesn't want her family to find out. She even told me she doesn't work anymore - I said yeah right. I wanted to ask her why she came to meet me right away when I called and gave me some for only R100. But I left it alone.

While in Rio I met a dude I'll call 'B'. He was there with his dad and brother.
(Whats up B, and thanks for the pics)
Talking over drinks in front of Help I remember him saying, "don't try to figure them out". He was right!

Pipe Layer99
11-30-07, 21:40
Does Rita go to Help or Meia Pataca? Swhe looks fucking horney. What is her prices? I'll be in riofrom 17th Febuary for a month. Do you have a contact number for her?

Here you go Bro - 8144-8694.
She goes to both places. I met her at MP during my 1st week. Although I have seen her on previous trips as well.

I don't know her price - too many others to choose from.
I do recall one night at Help I thought of taking her. I gave her a hug/kiss and asked her if she wanted to go home with me later - she said 400 in a heartbeat. I just laughed and she walked away. Some of them think their
sh!t doesn't stink, some may just not like you or be otherwise occupied. Either way you must do 3 things - negotiate, negotiate, negotiate.
Be sure to include the amount of time she will stay with you and the performance you expect. Then hold her to it.

Acenva
12-01-07, 05:32
acenva,

does rita go to help or meia pataca? swhe looks fucking horney. what is her prices?

i'll be in riofrom 17th febuary for a month. do you have a contact number for her?yes she still goes to mia pataca and helpee. she was at both when i was there last week. i will finish posting the rest of my 10 day visit later this weekend. she is great in bed once you get to know her well. have fun. post the pictures.

JohnnyBraz
12-01-07, 08:53
Here you go Bro. 8144-8694.

She goes to both places. I met her at MP during my 1st week. Although I have seen her on previous trips as well.

I don't know her price. Too many others to choose from.

I do recall one night at Help I thought of taking her. I gave her a hug/kiss and asked her if she wanted to go home with me later. She said 400 in a heartbeat. I just laughed and she walked away. Some of them think their sh! T doesn't stink, some may just not like you or be otherwise occupied. Either way you must do 3 things. Negotiate, negotiate, negotiate.

Be sure to include the amount of time she will stay with you and the performance you expect. Then hold her to it. Mr donnie d.

Brother, first off all I would be desparate to pay 400 reals. This is brazil after all, not even in high season. 200 max all night, and she must perform. When we pay these women high, everyone must. Please everyone must stop doing this. 400 reals is a months wages to them. That is a false market if we pay them that, and all the gdp's will want min that.

JohnnyBraz
12-01-07, 08:55
Here you go Bro. 8144-8694. She goes to both places. I met her at MP during my 1st week. Although I have seen her on previous trips as well.

I don't know her price. Too many others to choose from. I do recall one night at Help I thought of taking her. I gave her a hug/kiss and asked her if she wanted to go home with me later. She said 400 in a heartbeat. I just laughed and she walked away. Some of them think their sh! T doesn't stink, some may just not like you or be otherwise occupied. Either way you must do 3 things. Negotiate, negotiate, negotiate. Be sure to include the amount of time she will stay with you and the performance you expect. Then hold her to it. Donnie D,

When you back in Rio?

Thanos
12-01-07, 09:04
Big raid in Sao Paulo Thursday and Friday. 8 clubs closed. 400 people detained. 2 minors. Copa should be packed this weekend with all of the high priced Sao Paulo girls coming there to work.

JohnnyBraz
12-01-07, 09:39
yes she still goes to mia pataca and helpee. she was at both when i was there last week. i will finish posting the rest of my 10 day visit later this weekend. she is great in bed once you get to know her well. have fun. post the pictures.does she speak good english?

JohnnyBraz
12-01-07, 10:27
yes she still goes to mia pataca and helpee. she was at both when i was there last week. i will finish posting the rest of my 10 day visit later this weekend. she is great in bed once you get to know her well. have fun. post the pictures.do you know if they will sell cials or viagra over the counter in rio? no prescription? if so what prices.

Toto001
12-01-07, 17:35
Hey guys,

I met this girl online at brazilcupid and sort of chat with her a little through msn. She now asked me to help her with her rent. I am not sure if this might be the usual scam.

Has anybody of you met her by chance?

Superboy1
12-01-07, 23:37
Hey guys,

I met this girl online at brazilcupid and sort of chat with her a little through msn. She now asked me to help her with her rent. I am not sure if this might be the usual scam.

Has anybody of you met her by chance?

Do not fall for it, This girl i am guessing chats to about 5-10 other guys and she be asking for money from them too.It happeans alot.

Superboy

Looking For Eden
12-01-07, 23:56
Do you know if they will sell cials or viagra over the counter in Rio? No prescription? If so what prices.I found at the pharmacy they sold both, no perscription needed. Viagra was about $16 to $18 for 100mg pill. Expensive but it was the brand not generic, Cialis was cheaper I can't remember exactly how much though.

Que Rico
12-02-07, 03:26
Why would a girl ask a total stranger for money? Because it is a business for her. Colombians are the worse on Latincupid.com I have 3 girlfriends de internet and the first ask for $300 for her and her sick mother. I say what is wrong, ? She says she has migrain. $300 headache as opposed to the week in Cartegena I offerd her, Girl 2 say she loves me sooo much send me phone number for colombian fiancee Visa application. Girl 3 from Goiania Gets jelous cuz I'm going to Rio for 9 days but I only want 4 day $300 aifare paid by me for her, plus expense first date with her so she ends it. Most of them want something. You should tell the girl she should go to helpe for a few nights and lay on her ass to pay the rent its the same as Milking Gringo ATM machines like us. Tell her to look for me I'll do the deed.

Thanos
12-02-07, 05:37
Do you know if they will sell cials or viagra over the counter in Rio? No prescription? If so what prices.Yes they sell both over the counter. the name of the pharmacy with the best prices is droga pacheco but you can get them at any pharmacy.

Thanos
12-02-07, 05:43
Hey guys,

I met this girl online at brazilcupid and sort of chat with her a little through msn. She now asked me to help her with her rent. I am not sure if this might be the usual scam.

Has anybody of you met her by chance?Can you say SCAM! They talk about africa but the brazilian girls invented the online scam. Two or three times a day they go to the internet shops to check to see if they got any fish to take the bait. They may send out 20 or 30 emails a day saying they need rent money or operation money or money for their kid. If they get one or two guys a month to send them money they have it made. Half of the girls on brazilcupid work in Help discoteque selling their bodies every night. Don't fall for it.

Mr Enternational
12-02-07, 06:46
Hey guys,

I met this girl online at brazilcupid and sort of chat with her a little through msn. She now asked me to help her with her rent. I am not sure if this might be the usual scam.

Has anybody of you met her by chance?


No regular girl is going to ask you for ANYTHING! well maybe a souvenir or something from your city when you come. but nothing like money and jewels.

Pipe Layer99
12-02-07, 08:10
Mr donnie d.....

for the phone number

Pipe Layer99
12-02-07, 08:13
Hey guys,
I met this girl online at brazilcupid and sort of chat with her a little through msn. She now asked me to help her with her rent. I am not sure if this might be the usual scam....

Who in their right mind would ask a stranger for money over the internet?
or
A better question - who would send the money?

Dude forget about her and find another.
or tell her if she will provide you with certain services you may be able to help her out - wink wink.

JohnnyBraz
12-02-07, 08:16
for the phone numberdo you know if rita does bbbj, or cim? Is she a completa?

Pipe Layer99
12-02-07, 08:36
If you don't want any bullshit with your apt rental, stay away from a black dude named Malcolm from Chicago. This butthole who incidentally is from my home town, tried to screw me and my wing man. Get this - I'm in the apt 5 days no problems. Then on day 6 my wingman arrives. Malcolm arrives from Chicago on the same day. That same morning they start tearing up the floor just above our apt. Soon after, Malcolm comes over to get the rest of the rent and my wingman complained of the construction going on above (while I'm banging a chick in my room). My wingman tell him if this continues we will have to move. Malcolm says he will ask the apt manager and get back to us. He does not get back. The next day the floor construction starts at 8am - we just got to bed at 6am with GDPs from Help. So we call Malcolm, wake his ass up and tell him its still going on and if it continues we will have to leave. Again, he replies let me get back to you. He does not get back, so that afternoon we go look for another place. While out looking at apts he calls and asks if we are going out to party. NO we are looking for a new apt right now. Since you never called us back we have to move. This MF says well you have to pay for today since its past 5pm. I was like bullshit - we called you hours ago and told you we can not sleep here and need another place if this crap continues. Since you never called us back we are moving out. This asshole tells me I owe the days rent since its after 5pm. I said yeah right - if we can not sleep in the apt due to the construction we have to move. In fact, you should pay me and my wingman for the inconvenience for the past two mornings. So we moved and did not pay his ass anything for that one additional day.

Can you believe how one American treated two others - all from the same city. Believe me - don't ever use Maloclm from Club Rio 4 Travel.

If you have any doubt, ask Cho on this board -he is my wingman.

Trust me. Donnie D

Chris H
12-02-07, 16:42
If you don't want any bullshit with your apt rental, stay away from a black dude named Malcolm from Chicago. This butthole who incidentally is from my home town, tried to screw me and my wing man. Get this - I'm in the apt 5 days no problems. Then on day 6 my wingman arrives. Malcolm arrives from Chicago on the same day. That same morning they start tearing up the floor just above our apt. Soon after, Malcolm comes over to get the rest of the rent and my wingman complained of the construction going on above (while I'm banging a chick in my room). My wingman tell him if this continues we will have to move. Malcolm says he will ask the apt manager and get back to us. He does not get back. The next day the floor construction starts at 8am - we just got to bed at 6am with GDPs from Help. So we call Malcolm, wake his ass up and tell him its still going on and if it continues we will have to leave. Again, he replies let me get back to you. He does not get back, so that afternoon we go look for another place. While out looking at apts he calls and asks if we are going out to party. NO we are looking for a new apt right now. Since you never called us back we have to move. This MF says well you have to pay for today since its past 5pm. I was like bullshit - we called you hours ago and told you we can not sleep here and need another place if this crap continues. Since you never called us back we are moving out. This asshole tells me I owe the days rent since its after 5pm. I said yeah right - if we can not sleep in the apt due to the construction we have to move. In fact, you should pay me and my wingman for the inconvenience for the past two mornings. So we moved and did not pay his ass anything for that one additional day.

Can you believe how one American treated two others - all from the same city. Believe me - don't ever use Maloclm from Club Rio 4 Travel.

If you have any doubt, ask Cho on this board -he is my wingman.

Trust me. Donnie D


LOL, that was funny having you recap that story again. I can tell you have not lost any of the anger you have for this guy, in the past 3 wks.

Chris H

Bravo
12-02-07, 17:24
If you don't want any bullshit with your apt rental, stay away from a black dude named Malcolm from Chicago. This butthole who incidentally is from my home town, tried to screw me and my wing man. Get this - I'm in the apt 5 days no problems. Then on day 6 my wingman arrives. Malcolm arrives from Chicago on the same day. That same morning they start tearing up the floor just above our apt. Soon after, Malcolm comes over to get the rest of the rent and my wingman complained of the construction going on above (while I'm banging a chick in my room). My wingman tell him if this continues we will have to move. Malcolm says he will ask the apt manager and get back to us. He does not get back. The next day the floor construction starts at 8am - we just got to bed at 6am with GDPs from Help. So we call Malcolm, wake his ass up and tell him its still going on and if it continues we will have to leave. Again, he replies let me get back to you. He does not get back, so that afternoon we go look for another place. While out looking at apts he calls and asks if we are going out to party. NO we are looking for a new apt right now. Since you never called us back we have to move. This MF says well you have to pay for today since its past 5pm. I was like bullshit - we called you hours ago and told you we can not sleep here and need another place if this crap continues. Since you never called us back we are moving out. This asshole tells me I owe the days rent since its after 5pm. I said yeah right - if we can not sleep in the apt due to the construction we have to move. In fact, you should pay me and my wingman for the inconvenience for the past two mornings. So we moved and did not pay his ass anything for that one additional day.

Can you believe how one American treated two others - all from the same city. Believe me - don't ever use Maloclm from Club Rio 4 Travel.

If you have any doubt, ask Cho on this board -he is my wingman.

Trust me. Donnie D


I know Malcolm pretty good. Truth is, there is probably nothing he could have done about the construction in another apartment. They try to do the construction in apt building during the daytime while most people are at work. They arent too considerate of mongers who banging Help hoes at 5:30AM. Not sure why he insisted that you pay for the additional day, but at least you didnt pay upfront.

For the rest of the board, Malcolm isnt a bad guy at all. Ive known him to offer to let a newbie who got robbed of all his money, stay at his apartment without paying anything until the guy got home and could send money. Compared to some apt horror stories that people go thru in Rio, what you experienced with Malcolm, was nothing.

Glad you found another place to stay and enjoyed the rest of your vacation.

Chi Town Hustler
12-02-07, 17:33
do you know if rita does BBBJ, or cim? Is she a completa? I also have been with Rita many time she will BBBJ and cim and she will let you fuck her bare back once she gets to know you very well also don't fall for that bullshit of R400 she will go for R200. Don't let her talk you into taking her to the mall she tried that bullshit on me! Remember you are the client and she is being paid for her services. She is being paid eat, drink, fuck, suck and sleep in some of the best apartments this is all part of of the service. Just a FYI she likes to talk a lot shit stay firm with her ass she will respect you more.

Exec Talent
12-02-07, 17:43
This is not in defense of anyone, just fact. The way they remodel apartments in Rio is by beating the crap out of the walls with a chisel and hammer. I cannot tell you how many times; in different apartments (and hotels) I have been subjected to some remodeling going on in the building or even next door. I am sure many others here have had the same experience. When I have complained, it always is the same story, they are allowed to work from the morning until night (actual times vary I think).

One time I asked if they had electrical equipment and they said yes but paying the men for several days was cheaper than renting it and getting everything done in one or two days.

Pipe Layer99
12-02-07, 21:08
This is not in defense of anyone, just fact. The way they remodel apartments in Rio is by beating the crap out of the walls with a chisel and hammer. I cannot tell you how many times; in different apartments (and hotels) I have been subjected to some remodeling going on in the building or even next door. I am sure many others here have had the same experience. When I have complained, it always is the same story, they are allowed to work from the morning until night (actual times vary I think).


I am not willing to give up my rest and relaxation because of remodeling above me. I will move to be more comfortable. If they are allowed to work, I am allowed to move.
That is why I moved the day after my deposit ran out. Furthermore, I sure as hell wasn't going to pay for the day I moved out. I usually leave Rio in the evening and I've never been asked to pay for the day of departure.

Pipe Layer99
12-02-07, 21:17
I know Malcolm pretty good. Truth is, there is probably nothing he could have done about the construction in another apartment. They try to do the construction in apt building during the daytime while most people are at work. They arent too considerate of mongers who banging Help hoes at 5:30AM. Not sure why he insisted that you pay for the additional day, but at least you didnt pay upfront.

For the rest of the board, Malcolm isnt a bad guy at all. Ive known him to offer to let a newbie who got robbed of all his money, stay at his apartment without paying anything until the guy got home and could send money. Compared to some apt horror stories that people go thru in Rio, what you experienced with Malcolm, was nothing.

Glad you found another place to stay and enjoyed the rest of your vacation.

Not a good guy - an example to prove it -
One time we were at Monte Carlo - my bill was overcharged R12 for 2 beers I did not drink. While disputing the matter at reception, I figured it out - I had number 9 and your boy Malcolm had number 6. Easy mistake right on their part and should be an easy fix between to guys from Chicago. Wrong!
When I asked him about it, he said don't say anything. I said no, you pay the extra R12. I was like WTF - how many bers did you have? If you are missing some beers on your tab, pay tye extra R12. Proves he is a tight wad and has no integrity. Only cares about himself.

I 'expect' to be treated a hell of a lot better by a person from my home town.

Pipe Layer99
12-02-07, 21:27
LOL, that was funny having you recap that story again. I can tell you have not lost any of the anger you have for this guy...

Not angry about it at all. I feel its important to warn other members of the board. So now they have been warned! If you don't post bad experiences others may get the same treatment.

I met you on the board, then while in Rio, you and I hooked up for some drinks, chased some tail together and had a great time.
Outside of Help, what did we do when the bill came? 'WE' split it down the middle - even though my end was less. I'm not gonna fret over a few reals. Furthermore, if the bill was incorrect and you were gonna get screwed, I'd stand by your side. I won't sit there and let you over pay - especially if I knew you were getting hit with part of my tab. The dude is just wrong. So I want others to know about it. DD

JohnnyBraz
12-03-07, 03:48
I also have been with Rita many time she will BBBJ and cim and she will let you fuck her bare back once she gets to know you very well also don't fall for that bullshit of R400 she will go for R200. Don't let her talk you into taking her to the mall she tried that bullshit on me! Remember you are the client and she is being paid for her services. She is being paid eat, drink, fuck, suck and sleep in some of the best apartments this is all part of of the service. Just a FYI she likes to talk a lot shit stay firm with her ass she will respect you more.200 is the max I'll give her, and a stand firm, also if I have her more than one night, she'll get 150 per night max, but I'll go in at a hundred firm. As for shopping, fuck that, she ain't my women, if she wasn't charging, then ofcourse I would take her shopping, but while I am paying she must perform, and party with me of' course.

JohnnyBraz
12-03-07, 04:14
Not angry about it at all. I feel its important to warn other members of the board. So now they have been warned! If you don't post bad experiences others may get the same treatment.

I met you on the board, then while in Rio, you and I hooked up for some drinks, chased some tail together and had a great time.

Outside of Help, what did we do when the bill came? 'WE' split it down the middle - even though my end was less. I'm not gonna fret over a few reals. Furthermore, if the bill was incorrect and you were gonna get screwed, I'd stand by your side. I won't sit there and let you over pay - especially if I knew you were getting hit with part of my tab. The dude is just wrong. So I want others to know about it. DDAll I can say, if another man disrespects you, when you are showing him respect. Wipe your hands with him, as he is only disrespecting himself.

Pipe Layer99
12-03-07, 04:38
OK Gents here we go - Trip Report from my wonderful 20 day trip to the
LOB - Land of Bunda ;-))

Day one
Settle at the apt - then go buy necessities, water, beer, snacks and liquid soap. We want our girls to be clean now don't we.

Now that I have everything in order I grab the metro to centro - 1st stop, you guessed it 4x4. The place is jumpin'. Bunda everywhere! I grab a beer and begin to rack and stack the garotas. I was actually looking for 3 that I missed on the last trip. Did not see any of them. So its more beer and more ass grabbing. Still being picky, so I grab another beer and begin having conversation with some Brazilians in the back. Next thing you know, we are smoking cigars together, drinking whiskey and having a blast. Soon after, I have two I want on stage in front of me and have to make a decision. Talked to both of them and decided on the morena with dark hair. The other was a fake blonde with light skin. It was basically a coin toss, since they both looked great. Off to the room - good bbbj, but the sex was mechanical. Multiple positions - I had to pull her to me and slam it. All the while I'm thinking - I'm getting my monies worth here! Then its doggie and I smack her on the ass to get her to move like I wanted. I could not believe it. My first mediocre experience at 4x4. I grab another beer, then head for the metro. I need a good nights rest for the coming days.

Ryjerrob
12-03-07, 04:58
Not angry about it at all. I feel its important to warn other members of the board. So now they have been warned! If you don't post bad experiences others may get the same treatment.

The dude is just wrong. So I want others to know about it. DD

I've met Malcom a couple of years ago, and he seemed ok. I have heard from others while in Rio about some of his childish ways. So after seeing someone actually putting it in writing, I'd be cautious with him. In fact, there are just so many other things I'd rather be doing versus hanging out with another shady person trying to get over on mongers.

JohnnyBraz
12-03-07, 04:58
I would never tell another person how to spend their own hard earned money. Everything you say about Centaurus may be true, but it's a unique experience for each us. From time to time, I'm happy about trying to pull something out of the mall, termas, MP, Help, and of course VM. It's all in good clean, safe fun. Don't sweat the small stuff.......

ryjerRyjer,

What are the prices off the beach, have never got one from there. What quality? Fror say 2 to 3 hours and tln?

Rob Brazil
12-03-07, 07:45
I was at Luomo today and it was pure chaos. I have been coming to the termas in Rio for years and years and years and never saw ANYTHING like I saw today.

I went in all week and while I've found the selection MUCH weaker year after year things are still the same. We went earlier this week and both had great sessions. Today it was Sunday and as usual the # of girls to select from was severely limited. I went back in the relaxation room to relax when I see these two Brazillian dudes watching a soccer match and one was clearly drugged up. His hands are shaking, he is jumping around the room screaming. It wasn't normal. I left the room as this guy was annoying.

I went back into the main room and I ended up pulling out a cute blonde girl with big natural breasts. I had a great session and when I came back my friend had already pulled a girl out as well. I came to the main room and now they were doing shows since it was full of dudes. There were a LOT of guys, including a big group of black guys from the USA. Everyone was having a good time. Here is where all hell broke loose.

I was standing at the bar next to that Brazillian guy that was drugged up and yelling. It was so busy there were dudes standing all around since there were girls doing live stip shows and taking off all their clothes so it was a big scene. I was standing right next to this Brazilian guy so I literally saw everything. It was really surreal!

The big Brazillian guy it seemed touched a big black guy. The black guy yelled at him and then all of a sudden the Brazillian guy takes a big swing at the black guy. The black guy just punched him straight in his face. I'm sure he broke this guy's nose. The guy was so drugged up I don't think he felt anything. Any normal guy would have been knocked out cold! Then this Brazillian guy is so disoriented, he starts taking swings at any one that looks black! Then he starts taking random punches at guys that aren't even black! There were a few black dudes that were cool trying to break it up and then he tried punching them. Then the Brazillian guy gets knocked hard again by an even bigger black guy. It was amazing and I almost got punched if I didn't dunk down I'd be toast!

So the security FINALLY comes in and they are pulling this Brazillian ass out and there is blood literally all over the place. On the floor there is a pool of blood, on the sofas, it even splattered all over the men's robes whoever was in the room. You could see black speck marks on almost all the robes. Then all of these black guys wanted to go when I told him that these dudes were Brazillian locals. For all they knew these fellas were going to go home and get their posse and come back. They wanted to high tail it out of there. They were smart enough to do you don't want to be around for something like that in South America or the police coming down. In South America many times the police arrest first and ask questions later.

The tough thing is we couldn't even go in and get changed. They had a hell of a time getting this guy kicked out. He was fighting and screaming and we couldn't change our clothes as he was in the locker room. Then when we went in it was such a disgusting site. There was blood everywhere! On the walls, on the lockers, on the mirror. I just hope they douse that entire place with alcohol or it's really a big sanitary mess! Most of the guys there ended up leaving as it was so disgusting. They were cleaning up the blook and there were blood soaked towels.

I talked to some of these black dudes on my way out and they seemed cool. They said that this brazillian guy grabbed their friends dick and the guy told him to stay away and this wasn't the place for it. Then the Brazillian guy just started punching.

I never thought I'd see someting like this in a terma. A terma is a place of peace and love and to relax and today was a clear sign the termas internal security is really not good enough to handle some kind of major fight. I saw the whole thing in front of my eyes and it was incredible.

Anyway, I'm glad I had already sessioned. My buddy came out and look dazed and confused and I told him the story and he could see all the other guys talking about it. Everyone wanted out of there and there was a big line out the door. I could see the staff there were really shaken up about it.

Be careful in the termas, don't get drunk and really stay away from trouble. That Brazillian guy totally got pummeled.

Chris H
12-03-07, 08:27
Not angry about it at all. I feel its important to warn other members of the board. So now they have been warned! If you don't post bad experiences others may get the same treatment.

I met you on the board, then while in Rio, you and I hooked up for some drinks, chased some tail together and had a great time.
Outside of Help, what did we do when the bill came? 'WE' split it down the middle - even though my end was less. I'm not gonna fret over a few reals. Furthermore, if the bill was incorrect and you were gonna get screwed, I'd stand by your side. I won't sit there and let you over pay - especially if I knew you were getting hit with part of my tab. The dude is just wrong. So I want others to know about it. DD

Yeah your right, warning others about crooked people that we may encounter is always good for the board. We do have to look out for each other,no matter what it involves, GDP's,Thermas,or dudes from the US trying to get over.

Chris H

Pipe Layer99
12-03-07, 08:39
After a good nights sleep I was ready to do some damage. I hung out during the day, checked out the local talent on NS Copa and at MP, then went to Solarium. This is my 2nd favorite place. This place is pretty damn close to 4x4. Only Quatro has many more women to choose from, but it also has more more guys and more smokers. Solarium has a great selection of fine garotas and its less crowed. Anyway, I have a few rum/cokes and scope out all the ladies. I'm torn between 2 blondes this time. I move over near the bar and call over Juliana - a 5' 8" babe with a nice smile and a nice A$$. She passes all the screening questions and off we go. Man this girl was hot and ready. I sucked those nips for awhile taking my time. Then she blew me like I was her boyfriend for about 5 minutes. Thats what I needed. Then she reached for one of my comdoms. I told her I wanted more, so she got right back to work - she was enjoying it too. I know I was loving it. Ok now I'm ready - I have her ride me, then reverse, mish, sideways, doggie, then I pulled a G35 maneuver and put a finger in her butt - yeah baby. She stops me and has me put a condom on my finger - OK. We continue at my pace. Then I break for a minute to suck those nips some more. Back to mish so I can hold that sweet A$$ while heading for the finish line. Bang, were done.
She cleans me up, we have some good conversation and out.

What a good, clean, professional terma woman. Thats what I'm talking about. I told her I would be back next week.

Pipe Layer99
12-03-07, 09:49
My London buddy 'N' is gonna get a good laugh at this one.

I tried to call in one from Scort and Karla. I had a good list of 5 to choose from. None of the ones I wanted were available. I was like WFT can I ever get a call in. I always have the hardest time getting room service. So I call Elizabete - my sweet little 19yr old brown sugar. Cho, Chris and others know who I'm talking about. She meets me in 15 min. I grab a beer, we talk and off to the apt. She asks me about the pics I posted before. We cover that quickly and then its conversation about her now. She tells me she doesn't work anymore - I'm like yeah right - then why are you here with me?? We get past that and she asks for 150. I counter with 100 - she accepts. After all she said she likes me, so I deserve a discount, right? She provides the same great sucking as before and for awhile too. Then we go at it in multiple positions. I love her soft, tight skin. The snatch was nice and tight too. I let her take a shower, give her a donation and she leaves.

Its feeding time and then off to TA to scout the talent outside and to get a look at the ones going inside as well. No takers outside so I go in to find my lucky lady. I get my drink tickets and hit the bar. I bump into some British guy, we both say excuse me and begin to talk. During this conversation the call-in / room service issue comes up. I told him I was trying to call on in and had no luck. He tells me he called one today from Scort. I asked who he got, he says Shena. I was like you lucky bastard – that’s who I was trying to get today around 5:30 or so. He says, yeah she was with me at that time. We both started cracking up. After the big laugh we swap stories and go hunting together. It was like I found my long lost brother. We found our picks for the night and we agreed to meet up tomorrow and hang out some more.

I saw a tall somewhat slender honey who looks half asian. (No its wasn’t Flavia - I’m not crazy enough to take her home. Although I did she Flavia there and got a kiss and played grabass with her). This one is Fabiola or Fabi. I met her last Sep. At that time we talked, danced and had good conversation. But she wanted 400 and only came down to 300. So of course I did not take her but I remembered her. I saw her, went over to her and put my arms around her - she remembered me. We had a drink and talked about last time. Then we danced and I told her she was coming home with me tonight. I asked if she remembered my price - R200 – she countered with 250. Not wanting to let her get away again (over 50 reals), I said ok. I confirmed its for all night and in the morning too. She agreed. We danced some more had some more drinks and off we go. Back at the apt we go at it. What a disappointment with the bbbj. I even pushed her head down some to give her a hint. But she still gave a lame ass bj. Especially compared to the GREAT head I got from Juliana and Elizabete. I still wanted her body, so I grab a condom and shes on top. Multiple positions and a good pop. Man her body is tight – and by tight I mean really nice. She obviously works out and her skin is nice and smooth too.

Soon after she tries to go to sleep, but I want more. So I tell her lets go. Now she wants to negotiate again. She wasn’t being a b!tch about it but she was breaking the deal non the less. She says if we do it again now then she can leave and not spend the night. I was like wait a minute we agreed all night and once in the morning. Whats up, you can’t hold your end of the bargain. I’m paying for all night and the morning too. She says she is tired. So my horny self agrees. This time I bang her for a long time. I already had two pops today, this would be three. I enjoy her for some time, then finally climax. Funny thing, now she wants to stay. I almost threw her out anyway just for pulling that crap, but I blow it off and let her stay. We sleep until about 1pm. She get up, takes a shower. While she is in a towel, I grab her and say let do it again before you go. She says she has to go pick up a friend from the airport and she is already late. I say well if your late, another 30 minutes isn’t gonna hurt right? She complains - I remind her of our deal. She says she would if we had gotten up earlier, but now she can’t. I told her its not my problem. We agreed all night and once in the morning. She says well its afternoon now. Again, not my problem, so I say ok your breaking the program we agreed on. That was a hint for her ass. I go get some money -fold up R200 and give it to her. She doesn’t look at it, puts it in her purse and leaves.

A few days later I see her getting ready to enter Help and she looks away. I’m right behind her. Before she pays, she turns and grabs my arms and tells me to pay her way in. I said NO, get outta here. She turns away angrily and goes inside. Sometime later while inside Help she comes up to me and tells me I owe her 50 reals. I reminded her she broke the deal so she gets 50 less. She tries to argue about her friend …………. I told her we had a deal and you left without giving me sex in the morning, so I keep 50. Next time don’t break the deal. She leaves mad again. When will these girls learn!?!

Too bad. She was a looker. The sex was good too. But too bad she had to mess it up with the lackluster bj and bs that followed. Goes to show - you can’t win ‘em all.

Either way I had a great day 3!

Benjoe
12-03-07, 23:32
She wants to realize suas fantasias:

http://www.riobabilonia.com/karen/

Rob Brazil
12-04-07, 00:41
I've been coming to Rio many, many years and I've always liked Centaurus. Yeah it is more expensive but I always felt there was a premium for hotter girls. Well, I can tell you that the quality has gone way down hill from last year. I went a few days ago and it was just not good compared to many times before. First of all, there aren't as many girls as before. There were only around 25 girls even though the manager at the bottom claimed to be "50 with the total hitting 75 by 7 PM". That never happened and there were a LOT of dudes there so really unless you grabbed someone quick you were really stuck. I went with my buddy and he grabbed someone quickly. I"m fairly picky and I literally almost just left without sessioning as I don't like to session just to session. I have to be really attracted to the girl.

I got lucky as I was standing by the door and one hottie came just at 7:30 PM so I pulled her but if it wasn't for her I wouldn't have sessioned. There is absolutely NOTHING now to justify a higher price. I'm sorry to report I won't be going there anymore.

Bravo
12-04-07, 00:43
Not a good guy - an example to prove it -
One time we were at Monte Carlo - my bill was overcharged R12 for 2 beers I did not drink. While disputing the matter at reception, I figured it out - I had number 9 and your boy Malcolm had number 6. Easy mistake right on their part and should be an easy fix between to guys from Chicago. Wrong!
When I asked him about it, he said don't say anything. I said no, you pay the extra R12. I was like WTF - how many bers did you have? If you are missing some beers on your tab, pay tye extra R12. Proves he is a tight wad and has no integrity. Only cares about himself.

I 'expect' to be treated a hell of a lot better by a person from my home town.

I was very surprised after talking with Malcolm yesterday, about all the things you left out of your original post. Its always hilarious when you get the other side of the story and you see how a person tailors there side of the incident. LOL

Bottum line, you had a nice time and hopefully, you will return to Rio in the future.

Chi Town Hustler
12-04-07, 00:48
Beware of this site www.rentapartrio.com/ I was quoted one price while in Rio but only after arrival i was given a much considerable higher price. Their was another gringo in the building he said that he had to leave early because he was quoted one price and only after arrival did the pull a trick move on the price.

The only reason I stayed was my non working girl loved the place and her family and friends where coming to hang out and she wanted show off her gringo.

Chi Town Hustler
12-04-07, 01:08
I am experienced monger and I have taken so much from this board now its time to give back.

Beware of this site www.rentapartrio.com I was quoted one price while in Rio but only after arrival I was given a much considerable higher price. Their was another gringo in the building he said that he had to leave early because he was quoted one price and only after arrival did the pull a trick move on the price.

The only reason I stayed was my non working girl loved the place and her family and friends where coming to hang out and she wanted show off her gringo.

Koolguy365
12-04-07, 01:33
Hi,

I heard a lot about Rio in this site and so I am planning on visiting Rio in the last week of dec 2007. I am just wondering whether this is a good time to visit? Will there be any activity during this period (Christmas and New Year)?

Thanks in advance

Brazilman
12-04-07, 03:00
I am really disgusted by a couple of the posts recently, that I must flame a little. No offense guys, but some of you are the dumbest most naive people in the world. I can't believe grown men would do some of the dumbass things that were talked about. #1 To the guy who went to the favela and was robbed at gunpoint and 1600 reals. You make paris hilton look like a PHD. Did you grow up in beverly hills. Do you not have any street smarts. You flew 8 to 14 hours to go to brazil so you can then go to a ghetto with a bunch of drug dealing murderers. Are you an idiot. Only 3 things can happen if you go to a favela, and 2 of them are real bad. Why don't you just go to the worst hood in detroit or new york and hang out with the brothers there. I'm sure they will be glad to to make you there guest. Show you around sort of speak. Where is your common sense. I have been asked to go to the favelas many times and turned it down. Why would I go. Why not hang out at the beach or my apartment. Its a slum idiot. #2 to the guy and guys that always ask if its a scam when girls ask for money for their sick mothers or rent. YES! The fact that you asked should tell you something. They are PROSTITUTES! Not you girlfriend from 8th grade. You people are just stupid. I don't know any other way to say it. Have fun with the girls, respect them but give them no more money that their nightly fee for sex. Period. Once you are home, there is no reason to give them anything. You can not get anything for your money. Wait until you are there and then pay them.

Ezinho
12-04-07, 04:00
I was at Luomo today and it was pure chaos. I have been coming to the termas in Rio for years and years and years and never saw ANYTHING like I saw today.

Damn, that was one hell of a story. Nice job in reporting it.

Was the Brasilian dude a Pit Boy or something? I remember overhearing some locals at Monte Carlo once badmouthing the American black dudes that were there. Can't say I ever witnessed what you saw, though. Maybe it's just stupid Brasilian racist BS.

The next time someone says that a termas is safer than a place like VM, you should post your report as a reply!

Pipe Layer99
12-04-07, 04:29
I was very surprised after talking with Malcolm yesterday, about all the things you left out of your original post. Its always hilarious when you get the other side of the story and you see how a person tailors there side of the incident. LOL

Bottum line, you had a nice time and hopefully, you will return to Rio in the future.

If you care to remind me of the things I left out, feel free to share.

FYI - My wingman felt the same as I. Also his friend Skip understood my position when I told him what happened. And Skip was staying at Malcolm's at the time.

You shouldn't be surprised at all. Especially if you know the character.
As for me, I'm not trying win you or anyone else over. I could care less if you believe me or not. I do however feel its important to let other members know of the experience so they can be forwarned. Thats the 'bottom line'.

My opinion was not tailored to fit me - its what happened.
I tell it like it is - I don't believe I left any important details out.
Sure there are always 2 sides to a story. Either way, at the end of the day, if you can't sleep because of a situation, you have the option to leave and find a better place to lay you head. Thats exactly what I did. Furthermore, my rent was paid up to the day I left.

Incidentally, I extended my trip for another week and I ran into him again. As a man, I went up to him and told him how I felt and we aired our differences. That was the end of it from a business point. Sometimes you have to agree to disagree. As I stated earlier, I posted my experience so others can be aware of what happened.

In the end, of course I had GREAT time. After all, I was there for my enjoyment. And sure I will be back. But you can bet I will only use trusted people to find my accomodations. Donnie D

Mangera
12-04-07, 04:40
I was at Luomo today and it was pure chaos. I have been coming to the termas in Rio for years and years and years and never saw ANYTHING like I saw today.

I went in all week and while I've found the selection MUCH weaker year after year things are still the same. We went earlier this week and both had great sessions. Today it was Sunday and as usual the # of girls to select from was severely limited. I went back in the relaxation room to relax when I see these two Brazillian dudes watching a soccer match and one was clearly drugged up. His hands are shaking, he is jumping around the room screaming. It wasn't normal. I left the room as this guy was annoying.

I went back into the main room and I ended up pulling out a cute blonde girl with big natural breasts. I had a great session and when I came back my friend had already pulled a girl out as well. I came to the main room and now they were doing shows since it was full of dudes. There were a LOT of guys, including a big group of black guys from the USA. Everyone was having a good time. Here is where all hell broke loose.

I was standing at the bar next to that Brazillian guy that was drugged up and yelling. It was so busy there were dudes standing all around since there were girls doing live stip shows and taking off all their clothes so it was a big scene. I was standing right next to this Brazilian guy so I literally saw everything. It was really surreal!

The big Brazillian guy it seemed touched a big black guy. The black guy yelled at him and then all of a sudden the Brazillian guy takes a big swing at the black guy. The black guy just punched him straight in his face. I'm sure he broke this guy's nose. The guy was so drugged up I don't think he felt anything. Any normal guy would have been knocked out cold! Then this Brazillian guy is so disoriented, he starts taking swings at any one that looks black! Then he starts taking random punches at guys that aren't even black! There were a few black dudes that were cool trying to break it up and then he tried punching them. Then the Brazillian guy gets knocked hard again by an even bigger black guy. It was amazing and I almost got punched if I didn't dunk down I'd be toast!

So the security FINALLY comes in and they are pulling this Brazillian ass out and there is blood literally all over the place. On the floor there is a pool of blood, on the sofas, it even splattered all over the men's robes whoever was in the room. You could see black speck marks on almost all the robes. Then all of these black guys wanted to go when I told him that these dudes were Brazillian locals. For all they knew these fellas were going to go home and get their posse and come back. They wanted to high tail it out of there. They were smart enough to do you don't want to be around for something like that in South America or the police coming down. In South America many times the police arrest first and ask questions later.

The tough thing is we couldn't even go in and get changed. They had a hell of a time getting this guy kicked out. He was fighting and screaming and we couldn't change our clothes as he was in the locker room. Then when we went in it was such a disgusting site. There was blood everywhere! On the walls, on the lockers, on the mirror. I just hope they douse that entire place with alcohol or it's really a big sanitary mess! Most of the guys there ended up leaving as it was so disgusting. They were cleaning up the blook and there were blood soaked towels.

I talked to some of these black dudes on my way out and they seemed cool. They said that this brazillian guy grabbed their friends dick and the guy told him to stay away and this wasn't the place for it. Then the Brazillian guy just started punching.

I never thought I'd see someting like this in a terma. A terma is a place of peace and love and to relax and today was a clear sign the termas internal security is really not good enough to handle some kind of major fight. I saw the whole thing in front of my eyes and it was incredible.

Anyway, I'm glad I had already sessioned. My buddy came out and look dazed and confused and I told him the story and he could see all the other guys talking about it. Everyone wanted out of there and there was a big line out the door. I could see the staff there were really shaken up about it.

Be careful in the termas, don't get drunk and really stay away from trouble. That Brazillian guy totally got pummeled.

From your report, I think it is safe to say you are not black, dude.

Cho 637
12-04-07, 05:15
I was very surprised after talking with Malcolm yesterday, about all the things you left out of your original post. Its always hilarious when you get the other side of the story and you see how a person tailors there side of the incident. LOL

Bottum line, you had a nice time and hopefully, you will return to Rio in the future.

There is something that you have not considered....The reason that there are two sides to any story is because not one but both individuals tailor their side of the story. Why do you assume that only Donnie D did this and not Malcolm?

Mr Enternational
12-04-07, 06:50
She get up, takes a shower. While she is in a towel, I grab her and say let do it again before you go. She says she has to go pick up a friend from the airport and she is already late. I say well if your late, another 30 minutes isn’t gonna hurt right? She complains - I remind her of our deal. She says she would if we had gotten up earlier, but now she can’t. I told her its not my problem. We agreed all night and once in the morning. She says well its afternoon now. Again, not my problem, so I say ok your breaking the program we agreed on. That was a hint for her ass. I go get some money -fold up R200 and give it to her. She doesn’t look at it, puts it in her purse and leaves.

A few days later I see her getting ready to enter Help and she looks away. I’m right behind her. Before she pays, she turns and grabs my arms and tells me to pay her way in. I said NO, get outta here. She turns away angrily and goes inside. Sometime later while inside Help she comes up to me and tells me I owe her 50 reals. I reminded her she broke the deal so she gets 50 less. She tries to argue about her friend …………. I told her we had a deal and you left without giving me sex in the morning, so I keep 50. Next time don’t break the deal. She leaves mad again. When will these girls learn!?!


The girls will learn when other mongers learn to do business the same way you did instead of always giving in to the bullshit. A deal is a deal. Don't expect me to fulfill my end of the bargain when you haven't fulfilled yours. That is why it is of utmost importance to work out all the details beforehand as you so meticulously did. This was a positive example of why not to pay in advance. If you would have paid upfront you would not have had any recourse. But since you were mongering smart instead of with your heart, you were able to adjust your end of the deal to align with the service. Excellent job!

Mr Enternational
12-04-07, 07:16
She wants to realize suas fantasias:

http://www.riobabilonia.com/karen/

It appears that the milkman is needed! I'm off to centro.

Thanos
12-04-07, 07:18
If you care to remind me of the things I left out, feel free to share.

FYI - My wingman felt the same as I. Also his friend Skip understood my position when I told him what happened. And Skip was staying at Malcolm's at the time.

You shouldn't be surprised at all. Especially if you know the character.
As for me, I'm not trying win you or anyone else over. I could care less if you believe me or not. I do however feel its important to let other members know of the experience so they can be forwarned. Thats the 'bottom line'.

My opinion was not tailored to fit me - its what happened.
I tell it like it is - I don't believe I left any important details out.
Sure there are always 2 sides to a story. Either way, at the end of the day, if you can't sleep because of a situation, you have the option to leave and find a better place to lay you head. Thats exactly what I did. Furthermore, my rent was paid up to the day I left.

Incidentally, I extended my trip for another week and I ran into him again. As a man, I went up to him and told him how I felt and we aired our differences. That was the end of it from a business point. Sometimes you have to agree to disagree. As I stated earlier, I posted my experience so others can be aware of what happened.

In the end, of course I had GREAT time. After all, I was there for my enjoyment. And sure I will be back. But you can bet I will only use trusted people to find my accomodations. Donnie DDonnieD,

I see you've met the world famous Malcolm. I've known him for about 6-7 years and let's just say you got off easy.

Thanos
12-04-07, 07:31
OK Gents here we go. Trip Report from my wonderful 20 day trip to the LOB. Land of Bunda;.))

Day one Settle at the apt. Then go buy necessities, water, beer, snacks and liquid soap. We want our girls to be clean now don't we.

Now that I have everything in order I grab the metro to centro. 1st stop, you guessed it 4x4. The place is jumpin'. Bunda everywhere! I grab a beer and begin to rack and stack the garotas. I was actually looking for 3 that I missed on the last trip. Did not see any of them. So its more beer and more ass grabbing. Still being picky, so I grab another beer and begin having conversation with some Brazilians in the back. Next thing you know, we are smoking cigars together, drinking whiskey and having a blast. Soon after, I have two I want on stage in front of me and have to make a decision. Talked to both of them and decided on the morena with dark hair. The other was a fake blonde with light skin. It was basically a coin toss, since they both looked great. Off to the room. Good BBBJ, but the sex was mechanical. Multiple positions. I had to pull her to me and slam it. All the while I'm thinking. I'm getting my monies worth here! Then its doggie and I smack her on the ass to get her to move like I wanted. I could not believe it. My first mediocre experience at 4x4. I grab another beer, then head for the metro. I need a good nights rest for the coming days. the next time you're in Rio look up an italian guy named franco. Best apartments for the cheapest prices and he doesn't pull any of that charge you for a half day crap if your flight leaves at night.

Exec Talent
12-04-07, 14:02
From your report, I think it is safe to say you are not black, dude.

Great Report Rob Brazil.

As reported, the place was packed. I was there but saw trouble brewing so took my girl and went to a suite for an hour. When I came back, a Brazilian in the shower room told me what had happened. The place had cleared out fast.

There had been a large number of African Americans there; however, everyone I saw was being very respectful and low key. I do not think this was a case of ugly Americans in Brazil, but more, as described by Rob Brazil, a case of a drugged out, crazy Brazilian looking for trouble.

I was there recently when a group of Russian guys got out of hand. I was more than a little concerned by some of the things they were saying to each other as they were leaving. Security at L'uomo thinks it has everything under control. Sunday night was a perfect example that it doesn't.

Incidentally, I have never seen any problems at Monte Carlo, Centaurus or even 4x4. Maybe management at those places, unlike L'uomo, is not so desperate for a buck that they keep potential troublemakers out.

Jesuscola
12-04-07, 14:21
a friend at luomo told me that the brazilian is always messed up on cocaine when he's in there, and he always takes a girl to the super suite for 5 straight hours. so when he's in, he's generally got girls all over him because they want to score that big payday. so when the large group entered, the girls rep001tered to try to get some sessions. he got jealous and called one of the guys "macaco," and the guy understood, which is what started the trouble. at least according to her.

i've seen one fight in 4x4. just a spot of trouble, really. a couple of punches, and it was broken up quickly, with the guy who started it being thrown out, and the other party was allowed to stay. they currently keep one security guy on the floor at 4x4, but he's usually more interested in trying to pick up the girls than watching what's happening on the floor.

Andre3000
12-04-07, 17:14
I've been coming to Rio many, many years and I've always liked Centaurus. Yeah it is more expensive but I always felt there was a premium for hotter girls. Well, I can tell you that the quality has gone way down hill from last year. I went a few days ago and it was just not good compared to many times before. First of all, there aren't as many girls as before. There were only around 25 girls even though the manager at the bottom claimed to be "50 with the total hitting 75 by 7 PM". That never happened and there were a LOT of dudes there so really unless you grabbed someone quick you were really stuck. I went with my buddy and he grabbed someone quickly. I"m fairly picky and I literally almost just left without sessioning as I don't like to session just to session. I have to be really attracted to the girl.

I got lucky as I was standing by the door and one hottie came just at 7:30 PM so I pulled her but if it wasn't for her I wouldn't have sessioned. There is absolutely NOTHING now to justify a higher price. I'm sorry to report I won't be going there anymore.

Hello Rob,

If you followed my latest Rio posts from a month ago, I complained about the same thing. I'm glad it was not solely about my moods - so the quality is definitely going down in Centaurus.

I think our girl tastes kind of match - cause I'm also very picky and usually do not want to do anything unless I'm really attracted to the target garota. So do you have any alternative places in mind? Have you ever been to Solarium or Luomo for instance?

Andre

Jan 156
12-04-07, 21:03
If we really want to do "normal" things then it is best to find a non-pro for stuff like that and only use the gdps what they are meant to be used for: programs. No matter how many hugs and kisses and hey babys they give us, they are not our friends and we should not mix our personal life into the business transaction. Just MHO.

I respect what you're saying. In the context you put it, I agree. But I also have - for want of a better word - 'friends' who are GDPs. I keep them at arm's length and remain careful what I say to them, but some of these GDPs have saved my neck or wallet more than once, and I respect that too, even if there is a measure of self interest. The ones I usually do fairly normal stuff with are ones who know I have no intention or interest in scoring with them.

I think there's a measure of solidarity on here but I don't assume it. There will always be the occasional tosser. I've known GDPs in most countries (including my own) who can mention reports of abuse from mongers, such as mongers stealing things from their flat, or refusing to pay an agreed rate, or trying to take the condom off just before penetration, or stuff like that. I know such stories are exaggerated but being a monger or a GDP is hardly a statement of who you are. Generally I try to avoid doing anything to reasonably [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off anyone, but probably with only limited success.

But yes, unless you are pretty sure that the GDP is not in GDP mode, and you are pretty Rio-experienced and are very comfortably in your comfort zone, treat GDPs as nothing more than GDPs. With respect, courtesy, integrity, even warmth and affection. But with proper and decent awareness of their role. I don't wish to discuss ISG with GDPs - friends or not - any more than I want her to discuss used tampons with me.

Chicafan
12-05-07, 00:40
I was at Luomo today and it was pure chaos. I have been coming to the termas in Rio for years and years and years and never saw ANYTHING like I saw today.

..........................

Be careful in the termas, don't get drunk and really stay away from trouble. That Brazillian guy totally got pummeled.

I'm just curious, from what you saw was it really necessary for the guys to beat the hell out of this Brazilian.. I mean, was he really that dangerous considering his state of mind and whatnot? It seems like a lot of trouble would have been avoided if people could have subdued him. Of course, I wasn't there and the guy may have been a dangerous maniac.

Bravo
12-05-07, 00:43
If you care to remind me of the things I left out, feel free to share.

FYI - My wingman felt the same as I. Also his friend Skip understood my position when I told him what happened. And Skip was staying at Malcolm's at the time.

You shouldn't be surprised at all. Especially if you know the character.
As for me, I'm not trying win you or anyone else over. I could care less if you believe me or not. I do however feel its important to let other members know of the experience so they can be forwarned. Thats the 'bottom line'.

My opinion was not tailored to fit me - its what happened.
I tell it like it is - I don't believe I left any important details out.
Sure there are always 2 sides to a story. Either way, at the end of the day, if you can't sleep because of a situation, you have the option to leave and find a better place to lay you head. Thats exactly what I did. Furthermore, my rent was paid up to the day I left.

Incidentally, I extended my trip for another week and I ran into him again. As a man, I went up to him and told him how I felt and we aired our differences. That was the end of it from a business point. Sometimes you have to agree to disagree. As I stated earlier, I posted my experience so others can be aware of what happened.

In the end, of course I had GREAT time. After all, I was there for my enjoyment. And sure I will be back. But you can bet I will only use trusted people to find my accomodations. Donnie D


Its really not that important to me. Lets just say 2 minutes after talking to him I must have said `Thats funny, he didnt mention that part in his report!´
about 5 times.

Example: The fact that you were only supposed to use one bedroom until your wingman arrived. Malcolm said he specifically told you not to use the 2nd bedroom because he would have to pay the maid more money to come and clean the room again for the 2nd guy. Since you were only paying for 1 bedroom of the three bedroom apartment, he didnt want you messing up the other room. Lo and behold, he dropped by the apartment and discovered that not only were you using the 2nd bedroom, someone had also did some fucking in the maid´s quarters!!!

After he told me about 5 other things that you never mentioned didnt your report, I could tell that he was just as happy that you left, as you were to leave. Although he did say that your wingman was a really cool guy.


Bottum line is, you have your version of the truth and he has his. Most likely, both of you are correct. No sweat off my balls!! Enjoy your future vacations to Rio.

Bravo
12-05-07, 00:51
There is something that you have not considered....The reason that there are two sides to any story is because not one but both individuals tailor their side of the story. Why do you assume that only Donnie D did this and not Malcolm?

I didnt assume anything. I just made the mark that MAlcolm had a number of complaints about Donnie, things that Donnie did, that he never mentioned in his report. However, Malcom freely admited to me that there was nothing he could do about construction in another apartment. Its not just me, in fact, a few members of the board have already responded that Donnie´s complaint about the construction noise, was pretty lame. Common sense would tell a person that M would have no control over what a person did to thier apt.

I will admit that Malcom thought you were a really nice person and he felt bad that you got caught up in this BS. (I hope your buddy reimbursed you for the final day of you stay.) I know Donnie said he went up to Malcom and confronted him face to face about eveyting , but Malcolm said he had the hardest time in the world trying to get the 3 of you guys together to iron things out.

Pipe Layer99
12-05-07, 02:22
The girls will learn when other mongers learn to do business the same way you did instead of always giving in to the bullshit. A deal is a deal. Don't expect me to fulfill my end of the bargain when you haven't fulfilled yours. That is why it is of utmost importance to work out all the details beforehand as you so meticulously did. This was a positive example of why not to pay in advance. If you would have paid upfront you would not have had any recourse. But since you were mongering smart instead of with your heart, you were able to adjust your end of the deal to align with the service. Excellent job!


You can say that again. Too bad they can't just do thier job and stick with the program. Its only happened a few times but when it does, its like come on now.

Since we didn't meet up this go round, I look forward to meeting up with you on the next trip. DD

Pipe Layer99
12-05-07, 03:19
Its really not that important to me. Lets just say 2 minutes after talking to him I must have said `Thats funny, he didnt mention that part in his report!´
about 5 times.
Example: The fact that you were only supposed to use one bedroom until your wingman arrived. Malcolm said he specifically told you not to use the 2nd bedroom because he would have to pay the maid more money to come and clean the room again for the 2nd guy. Since you were only paying for 1 bedroom of the three bedroom apartment, he didnt want you messing up the other room. Lo and behold, he dropped by the apartment and discovered that not only were you using the 2nd bedroom, someone had also did some fucking in the maid´s quarters!!!

After he told me about 5 other things that you never mentioned didnt your report, I could tell that he was just as happy that you left, as you were to leave. Although he did say that your wingman was a really cool guy.

Bottum line is, you have your version of the truth and he has his. Most likely, both of you are correct. No sweat off my balls!! Enjoy your future vacations to Rio.


Last comments about this subject.
I'm glad its not that improtant to you - just don't ever question my intergrity.

You are right about 1 SINGLE thing - it is funny - Funny you believed his lies.

Let me prove it to you since I have the time to do it - Ready, here we go.

Your boy 'M' was still in Chicago and did not arrive in Rio until 13 Nov. Thats the same day as my wingman arrived. Cho can attest to this. He can also tell you his room was clean and ready for his use.
So how could your buddy have dropped by? He didn't!
Its a lie, and you believed it.

Furthermore, no one could just stop by without me. Why? - because I took off the realestate combo with the master key and kept it inside the apt.
I had the spare key with me.

Another Fact -
I was there 5 days before my wingman arrived. I never once used the 2nd bedroom or the 3rd room. Again, Cho can attest to this as his room was clean and ready when he got there.

As for the maids room, that room is locked and your boy doesn't even know where the key is located. I remember him tell Skip back in Sep 2007 he did not know where the key was either. So, during my stay, no one known to me entered the 3rd room.
Capisce???

Lastly, I could give a rats ass if he was as happy for me to leave as I was happy to leave. I was on vacation - its all about me during that time.
Cho and I both left because the sleeping conditions were unbearable and your boy never got back to us with a workable solution.
I do feel as though he treated Cho different - maybe because Cho is black and I'm white. Either way, I wasn't about to get punked by an American in Rio. Plus Cho had reason to be nicer - M had his full payment and Cho wanted his refund for the days he would not be there. Another thing, M did not give him a full refund, he kept $70 since we left the apt after 5pm. Ain't that a b^tch. Cho just cut his loss and moved on.

The truth is I am correct in what I wrote. Also my actions in leaving the apt were justified. Not that I needed to justify them to you him or anyone else.

In the end, I moved to a nicer apt.
End result - I had the best stay ever in Rio. Which is why I extended my stay for an extra week.

Apologies to fellow members who had to see all excess BS. My intent was to tell it like it is and I did not expect a 3rd party to chime in with a story from another 3rd party. Donnie D

Cho 637
12-05-07, 03:52
I didnt assume anything. I just made the mark that MAlcolm had a number of complaints about Donnie, things that Donnie did, that he never mentioned in his report. However, Malcom freely admited to me that there was nothing he could do about construction in another apartment. Its not just me, in fact, a few members of the board have already responded that Donnie´s complaint about the construction noise, was pretty lame. Common sense would tell a person that M would have no control over what a person did to thier apt.

I will admit that Malcom thought you were a really nice person and he felt bad that you got caught up in this BS. (I hope your buddy reimbursed you for the final day of you stay.) I know Donnie said he went up to Malcom and confronted him face to face about eveyting , but Malcolm said he had the hardest time in the world trying to get the 3 of you guys together to iron things out.

My last comment on this. My deal was with Malcolm not Donnie. Why would he expect Donnie to reimburse me? Malcolm did not return the full amount of money that he owed me, even though I paid for the second day. He just happened to be short the amount that he claimed Donnie owed. I had nothing to do with his arrangement with Donnie, just as Donnie had nothing to do with my arrangement with Malcolm. He still owes me $70. He is a cool as an individual, but not as a landlord. I agree that he could do nothing about the construction but his attitude (IMO) was very nonchalant. Even though I informed him the day I arrived that this situation was not acceptable. You live and learn. I still had a good trip!
I would monger with Donnie anytime! I know that he'll watch my six!

Bravo
12-06-07, 00:23
Great Report Rob Brazil.

As reported, the place was packed. I was there but saw trouble brewing so took my girl and went to a suite for an hour. When I came back, a Brazilian in the shower room told me what had happened. The place had cleared out fast.

There had been a large number of African Americans there; however, everyone I saw was being very respectful and low key. I do not think this was a case of ugly Americans in Brazil, but more, as described by Rob Brazil, a case of a drugged out, crazy Brazilian looking for trouble.

I was there recently when a group of Russian guys got out of hand. I was more than a little concerned by some of the things they were saying to each other as they were leaving. Security at L'uomo thinks it has everything under control. Sunday night was a perfect example that it doesn't.

Incidentally, I have never seen any problems at Monte Carlo, Centaurus or even 4x4. Maybe management at those places, unlike L'uomo, is not so desperate for a buck that they keep potential troublemakers out.

I talked to the brotha who hit the brasilian, he is HUGE! I am really surpised the brasilian got back up, either he is a vale tudo fighter or he was high as shit off of coke!! The manager came up and apologise to the group of men involved and didnt make them pay for their sessions (really cool on his part). Hopefully, nothing like this will happen again and I hope the brasilian learned to keep his hands to himself!

Bravo
12-06-07, 00:33
Last comments about this subject.
I'm glad its not that improtant to you - just don't ever question my intergrity.

You are right about 1 SINGLE thing - it is funny - Funny you believed his lies.

Let me prove it to you since I have the time to do it - Ready, here we go.

Your boy 'M' was still in Chicago and did not arrive in Rio until 13 Nov. Thats the same day as my wingman arrived. Cho can attest to this. He can also tell you his room was clean and ready for his use.
So how could your buddy have dropped by? He didn't!
Its a lie, and you believed it.

Furthermore, no one could just stop by without me. Why? - because I took off the realestate combo with the master key and kept it inside the apt.
I had the spare key with me.

Another Fact -
I was there 5 days before my wingman arrived. I never once used the 2nd bedroom or the 3rd room. Again, Cho can attest to this as his room was clean and ready when he got there.

As for the maids room, that room is locked and your boy doesn't even know where the key is located. I remember him tell Skip back in Sep 2007 he did not know where the key was either. So, during my stay, no one known to me entered the 3rd room.
Capisce???

Lastly, I could give a rats ass if he was as happy for me to leave as I was happy to leave. I was on vacation - its all about me during that time.
Cho and I both left because the sleeping conditions were unbearable and your boy never got back to us with a workable solution.
I do feel as though he treated Cho different - maybe because Cho is black and I'm white. Either way, I wasn't about to get punked by an American in Rio. Plus Cho had reason to be nicer - M had his full payment and Cho wanted his refund for the days he would not be there. Another thing, M did not give him a full refund, he kept $70 since we left the apt after 5pm. Ain't that a b^tch. Cho just cut his loss and moved on.

The truth is I am correct in what I wrote. Also my actions in leaving the apt were justified. Not that I needed to justify them to you him or anyone else.

In the end, I moved to a nicer apt.
End result - I had the best stay ever in Rio. Which is why I extended my stay for an extra week.

Apologies to fellow members who had to see all excess BS. My intent was to tell it like it is and I did not expect a 3rd party to chime in with a story from another 3rd party. Donnie D

I am so tempted to just drop this, but Heaven help me, I cant! HAHAHA!!
Its just so funny you should mention the key, that is exactly what Malcom mentioned too. He said you removed it thinking he couldnt access the apartment! His exact words were ´That motherfucker thought by removing the master key that I couldnt get into the apartment! Is he fucking stupid? Its my fucking apartment, of course I can still get in! I have keys to come in thru the back, that he doesnt have access to!! He actually thought I would let a tourist keep me locked out of my own shit!!!´

Listen, this is the last I will mention about the situation. I am sure you guys will have alot to talk about if you ever run into each other in Rio again. I will no longer respond to any more of your post about Malcolm or the apartment. Hopefully, you will continue to go to Rio and enjoy your vacations without any drama.

I apologise to the board for keeping this going for the past 3 days! It ends now! (Maybe we should have a ´Put a monger on blast´section, so we have a designated folder to address issues)

Voyajer1
12-07-07, 00:29
Sandrinia
I went to 4 X 4 right after getting off an uneventful flight from Sao Paolo. I really didn’t plan on taking anybody this night, but along came this woman: Sandrinia. She is 5’5” tall, blonde (Fake), her measurements (get this): 34B, 26, 42, serious bikini tan lines (Yes!). If J-Lo had a white sister, it would be her. I have never seen a huge bubble butt like hers on such a relatively small frame before. Needless to say, I was sold! Into the bedroom we go for some fun. After separate showers, we get to business. Sandrinia is a total beast. I think she enjoyed screwing me more than I enjoyed screwing her if that’s possible. Started with a BBBJ, followed by cowgirl, doggy, sideways, spooned, we tried it all. Once I turned her to reverse missionary, the feeling of that big ass just wiggling away beneath me brought a big finished that even she was impressed. She tried to go a second round, but that was just not going to happen. She got it all out of me :eek:. The total cost: $180 reals for 60 minute service (Suit with shower, no toilet), $40 reals entrance prices, $15 reals for drinks for a total of $235 reals. Money well, well spent.


Vanessa
Of Belplazer. Ave. Branco 185, room 2114, 19 years old. Went to Belplazer to try and do another dupla. However, things didn’t work out that way. After the line-up, the little brain wanted to have a session with Vanessa: 5’8” tall, measurements 36B, 26, and 38. After watching her come and go, I thought this was going to be some session. However, I did say I was thinking with the small brain and not following my checklist. Anyway, she turned out to be 19 years old, very inexperienced, uneducated and cold. Since I couldn’t change providers after starting to screw, I just started going faster and harder to get done. I guess she started to enjoy herself some. The session was neither good nor bad; It was just so-so (Reminds me of home, yuck!). She asked me how old I was and she couldn’t believe how old I was (Let’s just say 50 something). Anyway, I finished her off, showered and left. Total Damage: $100 reals for 60 minutes of service in a suite (Double bed and shower, no bathroom). All I can say is damn little brain, you messed up!

Sharon
I went to 4 X 4 to forget about the previous session with Vanessa. This place has a great way of erasing bad memories. I got there a little past 2:00pm. After sitting in the sauna and relaxing for a few minutes, I showered and went back to the main boite. I ordered a juice, sat down and started to scope out the scene. Gentlemen, you have to be here to understand the magnitude of the place. I am talking about, asses, titties and pussies of every type, shape and size imaginable. Anyway, this girl in a red bikini keeps staring at me. I try to ignore her, but she is determined to get my attention. I make eye contact with her and smiled, and so did she. This went on for a little while my little brain made a decision for me. This girl turns sideways so I could see the bubble in her butt (She noticed that is what I was after) and her tits! Sold!!! I called her over; she said her name is Sharon. She was telling me that she saw me a couple of nights ago and wanted to session with me then, but I didn’t pay her any attention. No problem, so off to the room we go. Here is where I wasn’t paying that much attention to her, I have no idea why. When we stand to go to the room, I was staring right at her chest. Sharon with heels on was about 6’5” tall, I am 5’8” tall :eek:. I heard her say something with the word “nervoso” in it. I knew this was going to be one hell of a ride! She is 6’0” tall, blonde (Fake), her measurements 36C (Fake with slight scars), 24, 38, with serious bikini tan lines (Yes!). She is 23 years old and sports washboard abs. The girl is a complete freak. If you are not ready for her I guarantee she will get you off in 2 minutes. She did everything (DFK, BBBJ, she would even do anal. All you have to do is ask). I went though every move I know, but the view from the rear of this Amazon closed the door on a fantastic session. She is very limber and extremely athletic. The total cost: $180 reals for 60 minute service (Suit with shower, and toilet), 0 reals entrance price (Sessioned before 5:00pm), $10 reals for drinks for a total of $190 reals. Isn’t life really great! Now I am having fun...

Thanos
12-07-07, 06:43
[QUOTE=Bravo]I am so tempted to just drop this, but Heaven help me, I cant! HAHAHA!!

Its just so funny you should mention the key, that is exactly what Malcom mentioned too. He said you removed it thinking he couldnt access the apartment! His exact words were ´That motherfucker thought by removing the master key that I couldnt get into the apartment! Is he fucking stupid? Its my fucking apartment, of course I can still get in! I have keys to come in thru the back, that he doesnt have access to!! He actually thought I would let a tourist keep me locked out of my own shit!!!´

Listen, this is the last I will mention about the situation. I am sure you guys will have alot to talk about if you ever run into each other in Rio again. I will no longer respond to any more of your post about Malcolm or the apartment. Hopefully, you will continue to go to Rio and enjoy your vacations without any drama.

isn't that like a hotel manager going into your hotel room after you've paid for it. once someone rents an apartment the owner has no business sneaking around in it. its the renters apartment until he leaves. just for that M was wrong. that's really ironic because when he first started coming to brazil i can remember him complaining about Mariana; the brazilian woman who rents apartments because she used to do the same thing. that's definitely not cool to have someone sneaking around the apartment when the renter isn't there.

Member #3404
12-07-07, 09:50
I had a trip to Brasil last week. In Sao Paulo I had visited Clinica Kin. The price is 130 realis for 1 hour (reasonable), message is below average but you can fuck the girls. At the same night I called the escort Julia Gualter. She answers the mails rapidly and with excellent English. However when she came to my room, she did not even speak one word of English. No pb, sex has one common language. I think she has a pimp who speaks perfect English. By the way she adores anal sex (even though I did not try as I went out of condoms!)

After Sao Paulo, Rio was like heaven! Went to Disco Help. Picked up a girl 20 yrs old. For 2 hrs 200 realis. However I was shocked when she told me that she had 2 kids & her husband has left them. This is Brasil. That is why all the beatiues are selling their meat to 60-70 yr old tourist mongers. It is common that you can see old dudes with 2 young chicks.

The girl was perfect in bed, she told she is lesbian! I told her to invite her girfriend also. However she refused, I made 4 pops. (thanks Ciallis) Next day I called her again. She was so nice. I will also put her photograph in the pics section. Name is Cris. You can see her in the disco, strongly recommended.

Jesuscola
12-07-07, 18:49
Okay, first hand report of what happens during a terma raid, and what it's all about.

I was in 65 last night, a beautiful ex-girlfriend I hadn't seen in about 2 years hanging on me affectionately, and suddenly the music went off and the lights went on. There were lots of whispers passing among the girls. A girl started hyperventilating and needed water. Then my girl told me the police were there.

Finally, they walked into the bar. The civil police. They made the girls file out first, then the guys. After changing and paying our bills, all of us guys were loaded up onto a bus. They were taking us downtown. I was the only gringo.

The put us in a room and frisked us cursorily, making sure no one had a gun. They assured us all that we were only "testemunhas," or witnesses, and had committed no crime. Then they asked for ID. The Brazilians produced their ID cards, and I handed the officer a xeroxed copy of my passport, black and white, info on the front, and date of entry stamp on the back. Not notarized. I asked him in Portuguese if it would be alright, and he said it would be fine.

The girls were being processed in the same room, but on the opposite side. The police ordered pizza and were asking the girls if they wanted some. The guys were not offered pizza. Everyone was checked in the computer. Slow process. My ex called over and said she wanted to share a taxi with me. As she doesn't live anywhere near where I was staying, I knew what was up.

Finally, they let her out. She told me the police only wanted to get to the owner, who just bought the place recently. So they'd busted the place on a busy Thursday night, just after the Brazilians got paid. They couldn't do anything to anyone, as nothing illegal had been done. They were just trying to bust them on traffic tickets and bullshit to justify the police action. She said she'd wait downstairs.

They'd already processed my ID, along with a stack of others, but were not in a hurry to return them. I talked to the girl processing IDs. She confirmed that my documents checked out, and nothing was wrong. Well, what the *** was I waiting around for? A COPY? I didn't need it, I could get another in the morning. It's not like they could do anything with it.

So I split. I just turned and walked down the stairs. No one stopped me. I walked right out the front door, met my ex, and caught a taxi to my place.

All in all, a waste of about 4 hours while they keep you there for no real reason. Just have your documents in order, and copies on you, and you're fine. I've no doubt that 65 will be open this afternoon.

Pipe Layer99
12-07-07, 22:54
[QUOTE=Thanos
isn't that like a hotel manager going into your hotel room after you've paid for it. once someone rents an apartment the owner has no business sneaking around in it. its the renters apartment until he leaves. just for that M was wrong. that's really ironic because when he first started coming to brazil i can remember him complaining about Mariana; the brazilian woman who rents apartments because she used to do the same thing. that's definitely not cool to have someone sneaking around the apartment when the renter isn't there.[/QUOTE]

Thanos, good call.
Its good to know I'm not the only one who notices when someone is full of it.

Bravo
12-08-07, 01:25
Minnie Me is back in town, I saw her last night in Help. Unfortunately, the internet has ruined the girl. She told me last night that dozens of guys have been coming down and telling her how she is the talk of the internet. She actually said Ì am FAMOUS now!! Everyone who comes to Rio wants to find me!`

I thought she was joking at first but she was dead serious, she is really proud of her ´celebrity status`. Along with her star attitude she now charges a minimum of 300R for the night. I was like `Minnie, I was the very first American you ever fucked! I have been paying you 200R for years now!` She said `with a big smile`I know, but I am married now, plus I am famous, so you have to pay 300R! Thats a special rate for you, other guys have to pay more!

I wished her a good evening and told her I am happy I knew her before she became a big star!!

Jesuscola
12-08-07, 02:16
is so ...... cheap that he smuggles his own liquor into 4x4. He can't even afford to pay for drinks inside and he brings it in inside his robe. Does that sound like someone who's going to give you any kind of refund for anything?

All the girls know it. What's more, he tells them, "I bring you clients, you should be fucking me for free." Anyone who knows anything about women should know that this is about the most detestable thing you can say to them.

First thing you should look for is someone who's straight-up, lives his own life, and pays his own way. Just a thought.

Pipe Layer99
12-08-07, 04:08
Now things really start to pick up.
Its a Sunday and raining - I meet up with my new buddy from London and we agree to go to Solarium (my 2nd Fav place). After a few drinks - I grab a smoking hot babe - Amanda. She has a deep tan, stands about 5' 7" and has a perfect body. I'll give her a 9.5 (no one can be a perfect 10) he he

While waiting for her to change, I see another sexy little thing going up the steps. I grab her and tell her she is looking good and I want her next. She smiles and goes up. As my luck would have it - the reception chick was right there so I ask - who was that? She tells me its Lohaini (I find out later her name is Simone). This Lohaini is short about 5' 1" and has a large dragon tattoo on her back. For those in the know - she is very similar to the Lohaini at 4x4 (who also has a dragon tattoo) just shorter and with more ass and tits. More on her later.

So Amanda comes in and I'm more than ready. Already turned on by her from the boite, then seeing Ms. Dragon girl walking up the steps in front of me.
I start by kissing her sweet sexy boby and rubbing all that bunda. Then I suck on those nice tits. I'm in heaven. She gives me an Excellent bbbj for a good while. We go at it in multiple positions, taking my time as she was indeed smoking hot. I was in Love again ;-)) And I knew I still more time. So I stop before climax to cool down a bit. Back to those fantastic tits. Then more mish - I love feeling all that ass in my hands while I slm into her. Great pop, followed by clean up and some relaxing mutual touching. man she was nice.

Shower and back to the boite. I don't see Lohaini so I grab another drink and wait. I see some Brazilians who I also saw a few days ago. We talk and have some good conversation. So I sit and drink with them. Two of the three spoke really good English.
Side note - One of the guys is a police officer. I saw his badge and pistol the other day while we were changing - we had arrived at the same time. At that time I didn't say anything and just went about my business.

Time goes on and still no view of my next Love. So I go to the reception and inquire. I'm told she must be in the bar because they checked and confirmed she was not in one of the rooms. Back up stairs to wait. Finally I see my girl and call her over. She sits and we have a great time getting to know each other. I offer her a drink, she passes. This girl is being sweet and sexy. Giving me lots of attention. She was obviously very relaxed and comfortable sitting and chilling with us. Not in a hurry at all. We sat for a good 30-40 min just talking and drinking beer. A few times she went under to robe and played with my rod as well. I told her it will be a great session and she agreed. I think I was hard the whole time she was next to me. When I couldn't take it any longer I took her up. She comes in and is even more beautiful that before. She also gets a 9.5 She takes me in her mouth and sucks like she is hungry for some milk. She is fantastic and looking damn sexy while blowing me. She goes at if for some time with me standing in front of her. Then I lay on the bed for some more.
I kiss her body and suck those beautiful tits for a minute. Then we go at it - mish and her on top. She is looking at me the whole time. I mean looking right into my eyes and I'm loving it. I take her doggie. She wants it in the ass, reaches for some cream and rubs all over her bunghole. I tell her not yet, I want more buceta first. While taking her slow from behind to enjoy it, she starts pushing back hard. She looks back and tells me to fuck her hard - she is bucking back hard and fast and encouraging me to do the same. I give it to her the way she wants it for a minute, but then slow down to enjoy hey sweet ass body. Thank goodness I had Amanda earlier otherwise I would have popped a long time ago. I ask her for the bunda - she is ready. Man is she tight. I can't believe she it all the way in. I start working it and she is loving it. Soon she is fucking me, wanting more and more. I almost popped, but was lucky enough to pull out first. I prefer sweet shoshorta (spelling??) instead. I change condoms slowly and get some more of the snatch. As it builds we go at it faster. Man this girl is a tigress in bed. I explode and just lay on her for a minute. Her body is incredible. She cleans me up and to my surprise she sucks me some more. I let her do it for awhile then cool it down because I am done for the night. She offers pics, but I have no camera. (Now I'm kicking my own ass). She tells me she will give me her number so we can get together again. Usually I'm the one asking for the number. Off we go down the steps. Right at the bottom of the steps she tells me to wait a minute - she goes and gets the number right away. I go to the locker to put it away. Don't want to chance forgetting or losing this one.
I hit the showers, then back to the boite.

There are more guys in the group now. A black dude from Alaska and a Brazilian who speaks perfect English. We all talk and drink beer. Its turning into a regular party. Soon after its closing time - so we all dress and go outside. Myself, my London buddy, the 2 new guys and the other 2 Brazilians all agree to go to Guana Barra in Ipanema for some beer and pizza. We ride there with the Alaskan guy since he had a rental car. We grab a table, eat, drink and have a great time. We all change numbers so we can keep in touch for future visits.

What an evening! I had two very sexy girls this evening, (batting 1000 at Solarium) and made some new friends. Great night.

Mr Enternational
12-08-07, 04:42
Minnie Me is back in town, I saw her last night in Help. Unfortunately, the internet has ruined the girl. She told me last night that dozens of guys have been coming down and telling her how she is the talk of the internet. She actually said Ì am FAMOUS now!! Everyone who comes to Rio wants to find me!`

I thought she was joking at first but she was dead serious, she is really proud of her ´celebrity status`. Along with her star attitude she now charges a minimum of 300R for the night. I was like `Minnie, I was the very first American you ever fucked! I have been paying you 200R for years now!` She said `with a big smile`I know, but I am married now, plus I am famous, so you have to pay 300R! Thats a special rate for you, other guys have to pay more!

I wished her a good evening and told her I am happy I knew her before she became a big star!!

Shit for half of a woman you should be paying half of the price!

JohnnyBraz
12-08-07, 06:48
I found at the pharmacy they sold both, no perscription needed. Viagra was about $16 to $18 for 100mg pill. Expensive but it was the brand not generic, Cialis was cheaper I can't remember exactly how much though.What do I have to say to them to get Cialis or Viagra?

I speak no Portugeuse?

Sperto
12-08-07, 08:27
Minnie Me is back in town, I saw her last night in Help. Unfortunately, the internet has ruined the girl. She told me last night that dozens of guys have been coming down and telling her how she is the talk of the internet. She actually said Ì am FAMOUS now!! Everyone who comes to Rio wants to find me!... I thought she was joking at first but she was dead serious, she is really proud of her ´celebrity status`. Along with her star attitude she now charges a minimum of 300R for the night.
R$ 300! That's a very high price/kg for that girl.
I've absolutely nothing against dwarfs, but I can't understand how she can be so popular?
She's a cute little hobbit, but very out of proportions.

Off Road
12-08-07, 15:29
What do I have to say to them to get Cialis or Viagra?

I speak no Portugeuse?Eu querio Cialas, or Viagra.
They will know even if you just say C or V.. especially if you are near Help.

Pipe Layer99
12-09-07, 01:12
What do I have to say to them to get Cialis or Viagra?
I speak no Portugeuse?

Just write it down and give them the note.
Example: Viagra ##mg x 4

Cho 637
12-09-07, 22:25
Shit for half of a woman you should be paying half of the price!

I saw her in Help on my March trip at about 4:30am. She was with a group of brothers earlier and either it didn't work out or somebody popped quick. Called her over and after a little conversation she quoted me R350! I wanted to ask her if she was crazy but I just pointed to my watch and said that was too much especially this late. She then came down to R300! I got her number and told her I had to think about it. I didn't feel like negotiating and I wasn't going to pay those prices. I left with Natalie. R200 TLN!
I think guys are caught up in the novelty of f**king such a small woman with such a BIG ass!

JohnnyBraz
12-10-07, 04:38
I saw her in Help on my March trip at about 4:30am. She was with a group of brothers earlier and either it didn't work out or somebody popped quick. Called her over and after a little conversation she quoted me R350! I wanted to ask her if she was crazy but I just pointed to my watch and said that was too much especially this late. She then came down to R300! I got her number and told her I had to think about it. I didn't feel like negotiating and I wasn't going to pay those prices. I left with Natalie. R200 TLN!

I think guys are caught up in the novelty of f**king such a small woman with such a BIG ass!Does anyone have a photo off the dwarf women that thinks she's j-lo all off a sudden?

Azn Safado
12-10-07, 07:46
I just spent 6 amazing nights in Rio. This is my second time in Rio and first report here. I will give a summary of my first trip and a more detailed report of my second trip.

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Trip 1:4 nights in August 2007

I was there for 4 nights and hit one Terma per night. 4x4, L'uomo, Solarium, and then Monte Carlo. At L'uomo, I met a girl who agreed to come to my apartment for R200 for an overnight stay. The next night, I called her up and she stayed overnight again. Only this time, she never asked for money or even cab fare in the morning. On my last day there, she met up with me at my apartment 1 hour before my flight and we had a nice quickie and a great send off. As she said goodbye, I was waiting for her to ask for some money and she never did. So my first experience in Rio I would say was great, especially from a P4P standpoint, as the girl I was with was willing to be sort of a girlfriend without wanting any money. I had it pretty good as I would go to other Termas while she was at L'uomo and then she'd come over to my place after she was done working a L'uomo. Oh yeah, I did go to HELP once during the trip just to see what the hoopla was all about. This was on a Saturday night, so the place was jumping. There were about 150 girls and possibly even more guys by the time I left the place which was early. I just looked around but did not take any girl out or talk to any of them. Just didn't see anything I liked there. I think I may be strictly a Termas type of guy.

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Trip 2: 6 nights in November 2007

Saturday:

I arrived to GIG airport at 8 am and got to my studio apartment at 10 am after long customs check, baggage claim, etc. The apartment had free internet connectivity, which is a must for me since I need something to do during some down time. Location was pretty good. A block from Copacabana beach and Barbarella's right on the corner, although I'm really only into Termas and not the boites. Took a nap and decided to hit Monte Carlo Terma as my first target. I had sessioned with a girl there on my last trip who was awesome, but her name escapes me. Anyway, I got there at 7 pm and there were about 25 girls there. Pretty good talent, at least better than last time. After surveying the boite for about an hour, I chose a girl named Julia. Perfect body, except for the breast implants. Boob jobs are rare in and of itself in the Termas. I typically like them natural, but I had a pretty good vibe with this girl after my initial screening. Took her to the cabine for 40 minutes. We did the deed and I came pretty quickly having not done it in awhile. The good sport Julia was, she got me going a mere 3 minutes later and we continued the sexo until time was up. I guess I went the distance without the 2nd shot, but it was hella fun trying to get there. Damage: R60 entry, R60 cabine, R130 girl (R250).

Sunday:

Went to Solarium, which was my favorite last time in terms of selection. So much variety. Got there around 7 pm and there were about 20-25 girls there. I'd say about 7-8 of the girls were in the 8. 5-9 category. I found a little blondie spinner whose name escapes me. Had a pretty good session with her. As with all the Terma girls, I asked how much for toda a noite (TLN) at my apartment. She said R400 and I laughed. She wouldn't budge on that one. I got her number anyway and said maybe we could meet for lunch on Tuesday. I figured maybe she would change her mind and go lower that day. Anyway, I never ended up calling her. Damage: R60 entry, R60 cabine, R130 girl (R250).

Monday:

Decided to hit a downtown Terma. Finally got to take the Metro (subway) to Centro. Man that system is nice and easy. Got off on Urugaiana station, walked 2 blocks down to Rua Buenos Aires and continued down until I hit 4x4 (Quatro por Quatro). Got here at around 5:30 pm, so the garotas should be fresh and ripe for the pickens. That boite is so small and by then it was already a semi-sausage fest. There were about 60+ girls by now but I only saw maybe 3 or 4 that I would session with. I decided it was too crowded in there, so I decided to chill outside in the reception area for awhile. Usually, a ton of girls pass by here, so it's a good place to check out the moving talent. Finally saw a girl heading into the boite that caught my eye, so I followed her into there. Struck up a conversation with her and she spoke decent English. Her name was Fabia and she was one of those petite young'uns that I like. Being so crowded in the boite, we decided to go sit down in the VIP boite, which is really just a quite lounge area that probably most customers don't know about. I bought her a drink here and the screening began. After an excellent make-out session for about 30 mins, decided to get a 1 hour room (it cost R20 more compared to the 30 min room). Had a nice passionate GFE session in the room and got her number. With Tuesday being a holiday, she was open to spending Monday night and all day Tuesday with me. I negotiated to R500, which isn't great as I wanted R400, but it wasn't outrageous for that amount of time. Damage at 4x4: R30 entry, R170 for cabine+girl for 60 min (R200).

So after midnight, I call her and she comes over to my apartment. We chill for a bit, surfing the net, watching TV, etc. Then we get bizy, which was another good GFE session and sleep afterwards.

Tuesday:

In the morning, we decided to go to the beach, but it was cloudy. So we had lunch, came back to the apartment and laid in bed cuddling and fell asleep for 3 hours. Was tired and forgot about the sex, I guess. Haha.

So we wake up around 4p and made plans to go to a nice seafood restaurant. She only brought her beach clothes so she said she needed to go home to get a dress or go to the mall and buy an outfit. I said she should go home and come back but she said she'll go to the mall and buy herself an outfit. I said "fine". This is where things turn. She finds a dress and a tanktop for R192. When it's time to pay, she says she doesn't have any money with her and I said "You tricked me, you said YOU were buying an outfit". She said just take it out of my R500 allowance so I said "fine". At this point, bells and whistles go in my head and I'm thinking that I'm dealing with a possible hustler here. After the shopping, we go catch a Portugese action flick to kill some time.

We now go back to the apartment and get dressed for dinner. She says at this point "Hey, I wanna sleep over again tonight". I said OK. No money was discussed so I figured this one might be on the house, but I was wary. She then gets a phone call and says she has to go home but promises she will come back. She wanted me to pay her so I gave her only half. She comes back around 10p and we go to a nice seafood restaurant. A bit too nice as it cost R327 for two people! After dinner, we go have sex and then she brings up the money issue saying "hey I will stay tonight for R200". I said "No, not after that muito expensive dinner. I'll give you R100". She agreed on it. Went to sleep and in the middle of the night got another phone call. Said "I'm sorry, I have to go home. I will come back tomorrow. " I said "Fine, go. " Anyway, I think she left because she thought the R100 deal was unfair. This girl was a bonafide hustler, I think. I've met some GDP's that were happy with just a hamburger, so I would lump this girl into the other end of the spectrum.

Wednesday:

Decided to go to Centro again and try some of the low-end, non-robe required Termas. First stop was Aquarios, which is located on 61 Rua do Acre. Not too hard to find as I Google-mapped it before I left my apartment. I arrived at around 5:30p and this place was just a boite with about 20 garotas. You get a bill with a checklist to track drinks and garota activity. I'd say there was one 9 in the house, the rest 7's or less. I chilled for about 30 mins to see if more talent would come in but it was not to be. I left and decided to hit another low-end Terma. Damage: R10 cover.

Walked a few blocks down to Termas 502. They give you a swipe card where every item you want will be scanned. 2 free drinks, girl, room, etc. This was another boite, shaped like a rectangle with seating on the left and the right as you walk in with your street attire. There were about 25-30 girls here. I'd say maybe 3-4 girls in the 8-8. 5 range, the rest in the 7 or less range. I chilled for awhile, got some drinks and decided to I wasn't going to session so I left. Damage: R15 cover.

Got home, got a bite to eat and decided to rest the old man for a day and double-up on Thursday. The girl Fabia from 4X4 calls me at midnight but I told her to beat it as I was tired.

Thursday:

Went to Centro again with the intention of hitting Termas Cancun. However, I did have a list of casas on Rio Branco in mind that I wanted to check out for curiousity's sake. I walked down Rio Branco 156, which is a big mall but also has private residences and businesses in a high rise type building. Based on earlier postings, this is what would be available:

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* Avenida Rio Branco 156, Edificio Central:
- Apto 3330: Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=8
R$ 65/40 min, R$ 85/60 min
Rec: Paola=22 y, big tits.
Rec: Graciella=23 y, sweet mulatta.
Rec: Luisa=19 y, big tits.
- Apto 3320: Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=8
R$ 85/40 min, R$ 100/60 min
Rec: Alessandra=20 y, very sweet.
- Apto 2328: Closed
- Apto 2240: Mentioned on ISG, doesn’t exist.
- Apto 2114: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=6
R$ 65/30 min, R$ 85/60 min, R$ 95/dupla 30 min, R$ 125/dupla 60 min
- Apto 1833: Mentioned on ISG, doesn’t exist.
- Apto 1825: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=8
R$ 60/30 min, R$ 80/60 min, R$ 80/dupla 30 min, R$ 100/dupla 60 min
- Apto 1706: Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=8
R$ 65/40 min, R$ 85/60 min, R$ 95/dupla 40 min
Rec: Rafaela=18 y, beautiful, slim.
Rec: Julia=19 y, beautiful, slim.
- Apto 506: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=4
R$ 60/30 min, R$ 80/60 min
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I heard 3320 had nice facilities so I decided to check it out aroundnd 4pm. Got seated in a room and in came the girls, one by one. I was introduced to about 8-10 girls and had a hard time remembering each name. The one that I wanted, however, I made sure I remembered her name. It was Carol and she looked like one of middle-eastern heritage. Very nice, natural 34C cups, which is rare for a Brasileira as they usually have nice little 34B type perkies and awesome bundas. I chose the 1 hour option for R100. Session was pretty good, some nice kissing and and only occasional DFK. She gave BBBJ but I gave no DATY since it was a casa as opposed to an upscale terma. I dunno, it's probably hygenically just as bad (or good) as a Terma girl's pussy, but mentally for me, I was not up to it. We had the sexo, I came and then we rested for about 10 minutes. She had to work hard for the little guy to come to life again, but we finally were able to and it was good. So 2 pops within the hour. Apparently, the clock starts when you are in there checking out the lineup, as the phone to the room seemed to ring at the 45-minute mark or so. All in all, good session with some decent value. Damage: R100

At around 7p, the girl Fabia from 4x4 send me a text wanting to come over. I texted back saying R100 for TLN as we had agreed upon the other night. She texted back later saying "Is 300 ok? ". Uh, right. Anyway, I didn't bother to text back this hustler.

Decided to hit L'Uomo at around 9p this night. I had been seeing a girl that worked there on my last trip. So that is kind of why I refrained from going there this time because these girls get possessive and things get awkward and weird. Anway, it was my last night in Rio so what the hell. I go in, chill and check out the talent. About 45 minutes into sitting in the boite, I thought "Hmmm, I don't see her here, I must be in the clear. " Of course, she comes in about 5 minutes later, sits down and gropes me, trying to stick her tongue down my throat. I avoided it since she still had a cold. She wants me to take her to the cabine but I wanted to sample other treats. I said "I don't want to do it in the cabine, let's just do it in your apartment tomorrow afternoon". She said "OK. But this time I will charge R50. " I said "Fine. Now go to work". So I talk to a few garotas, found one that I kind of liked and bought her a drink. At this time, it was close to midnight and they close a 1 am. After a 15-min makeout session, she wants to go to the cabine but I said "let's go to my apartment". After negotiating back and forth, she said R250 for 2 hours. I wanted TLN, but I guess it's better than paying for 40-minute cabine. All the while, she kept saying it's not likely possible since she lives 1h 40min away and has Universidad in the morning. I said "Ok. If you think you can make it tonight, here's my address. " She took it down. I decided to go home and was dead tired. Damage: R60 cover. I fell asleep at 1:30 am and she didn't take me up on the offer, which was ok because with me since I did a double-nutter in the afternoon at the casa.

Friday:

My last day in Rio. Thankfully, I had a late 11:55pm flight so I had plenty of time for my last hurrah. I drop by the L'Uomo girl's apartment, the one I had been seeing on my last trip. I had been hanging out at her apartment during the week on this trip, but never had any sex with her as she was coughing and kinda sick the whole time. I didn't want to catch whatever virus she had. So today, she wasn't any better and I said I don't want to get sick so here's the R50 anyway, I'll just have sex with you next time when your health is better. Sat around and cuddled, waited for her to get ready for work and said our goodbyes.

Now, time for the last hurrah. Decided on Monte Carlo again. Got here at 5 pm, which is near prime-time of when most of the girls will show up fresh, at least for that day. Haha. Saw this nice, European looking blonde that was sitting there, keeping to herself the whole first hour I was there. I was thinking, she's either one of those "quiet little freaks" or an "ice queen". She was so damn cute, that I eventually sat down and chatted with her. Spoke almost no English and along with my little Portugese, we got by. I bought her a drink and had an incredible 30-minute make-out/groping session. They sometimes say it's the non-aggressive, quiet ones that you have to watch for, and this girl I confirmed was going to be the one of those. She was an absolute amazing kisser. So we finally decide to go to the cabine and I had the most passionate, GFE session ever. On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd say it was a 9. 9 session. There's always room for perfection. I forgot to bring my damn phone into the cabine this time so I couldn't take her number to try to call her for some TLN for next time I was in Rio. Oh well, I hope she is still working there in 6 months when I am back here, but very doubtful as these places have mad turnover. Damage: R60 entry, R60 cabine, R130 girl, R16 drinks (R266). Anyway, what a fantastic ending to a great trip. I had to get back to the apartment soon after the Monte Carlo session to head to the airport.

This place has a way doing to this to the mongers. Causing them, including me, to plan my next trip in my mind before I even leave here!

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Rob Brazil
12-10-07, 16:19
Hi guys. Trust me. Those American black guys were not being "ugly Americans". They were really cool and just hanging around watching the live show. As I mentioned, I was standing right next to the Brazillian guy that was drugged up and I was right there when he got punched.

Like I mentioned, I've been coming to the termas for years and NEVER saw anything like this but it's proof positive that you can end up in some serious trouble if you are drunk or high. I was right there. The Brazillian guy took the first punch so he deserved to get knocked out. He was high as a kite when he was in the relax room. He could barely stand, his eyes were glazed over, jumping around the room and screaming. He was a pretty big guy. He was with another guy that wasn't as big as him.

The incident shows you just how quickly things can get out of hand. Once he got popped the first time, he was so disoriented, he just started taking random swings at everyone close to him (including me. No I'm not a black guy. I'm white). Like I said, it was chaos and just a really unsanitary situation as there was blood stains on many guys robes including mine.

There were a few guys in the terma for the first time from the UK and they were shocked and wondered if things like this were normal and I told them no. The funny thing is this guy's friend must have just ran out of there once it all started as I didn't see any sign of him. He had good enough sense to know that when it's 2 against about 10 guys you just get out of there. His friend didn't seem to be drugged up.

I'm not exaggerating when I mention the amount of blood in the locker room. He must have been fighting with the staff quite a bit as there was blood everywhere including the walls and mirrors as well as the floor and many lockers. It was clear that definitely if someone like this broke out at any of the termas they clearly don't have the security staff to handle something like this. Imagine at a club like 4 X 4 if a mob scene fight broke out.

Definitely I do think this was an isolated incident but I have seen drunk asses (both American and Brazillian) in termas before and also in places like Help Disco.

My advice is to relax and enjoy yourself and not get too drunk and AVOID drugs at all costs when you are in a place like Rio. Stay alert and know what is going on around you.

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Edward M
12-11-07, 03:11
Hi guys. Trust me. Those American black guys were not being "ugly Americans". They were really cool and just hanging around watching the live show. As I mentioned, I was standing right next to the Brazillian guy that was drugged up and I was right there when he got punched.

Like I mentioned, I've been coming to the termas for years and NEVER saw anything like this but it's proof positive that you can end up in some serious trouble if you are drunk or high. I was right there. The Brazillian guy took the first punch so he deserved to get knocked out. He was high as a kite when he was in the relax room. He could barely stand, his eyes were glazed over, jumping around the room and screaming. He was a pretty big guy. He was with another guy that wasn't as big as him.

The incident shows you just how quickly things can get out of hand. Once he got popped the first time, he was so disoriented, he just started taking random swings at everyone close to him (including me. No I'm not a black guy. I'm white). Like I said, it was chaos and just a really unsanitary situation as there was blood stains on many guys robes including mine.

There were a few guys in the terma for the first time from the UK and they were shocked and wondered if things like this were normal and I told them no. The funny thing is this guy's friend must have just ran out of there once it all started as I didn't see any sign of him. He had good enough sense to know that when it's 2 against about 10 guys you just get out of there. His friend didn't seem to be drugged up.

I'm not exaggerating when I mention the amount of blood in the locker room. He must have been fighting with the staff quite a bit as there was blood everywhere including the walls and mirrors as well as the floor and many lockers. It was clear that definitely if someone like this broke out at any of the termas they clearly don't have the security staff to handle something like this. Imagine at a club like 4 X 4 if a mob scene fight broke out.

Definitely I do think this was an isolated incident but I have seen drunk asses (both American and Brazillian) in termas before and also in places like Help Disco.

My advice is to relax and enjoy yourself and not get too drunk and AVOID drugs at all costs when you are in a place like Rio. Stay alert and know what is going on around you.The night before this happened there was a Brazilian that was being a real *******. I was in the relax room taling with a guy at about 2 minutes to midnight and the Brazilian just starts screaming in my ear, "TIME TO GO TIME TO GO 12 O'CLOCK TIME TO GO." He was obviously drunk or high. I wonder if it was the same guy. I hope so.

Mr Enternational
12-11-07, 08:10
Does anyone have a photo off the dwarf women that thinks she's j-lo all off a sudden?
There are plenty in the photo section.

Andy1974
12-11-07, 20:23
Hi Guys,

Has anyone had any encounters with cristiane from Help? I have attached a photo. I met her on a chatroom, and she tld me she works at help 3 nights a week. I am coming to Rio shortly and was thinking of hooking up with her for a while.

Many thanks,

Andy

Jobim
12-11-07, 21:37
I would like just suggest a very nice and cheap aparthotel in Rio located in the corner between Sigueira campos and Barata Ribeiro.

The appartaments are small but confortable in a modern bulding provvided of swimmingpool.

The location is 5 minutes from Help disco and beach and includes kitchen and living room with a small terace.

Cost per day is 130 Reais (december 2007)

For booking you my contact Miss Cacilda Galhardo Tel.(21) 25488323

cacilda@vialink.com.br

Have a fun,

Jobim

Mr Enternational
12-12-07, 06:21
Hi Guys,
Has anyone had any encounters with cristiane from Help? I have attached a photo. I met her on a chatroom, and she tld me she works at help 3 nights a week. I am coming to Rio shortly and was thinking of hooking up with her for a while.
Many thanks,
Andy

Huh, a girl in a chat room that admits to working at Help? How did that conversation come up?

Pipe Layer99
12-12-07, 07:20
Hi Guys,
Has anyone had any encounters with cristiane from Help? I have attached a photo. I met her on a chatroom, and she tld me she works at help 3 nights a week. I am coming to Rio shortly and was thinking of hooking up with her for a while. Many thanks, Andy

Based on my experience - the girls act different with each guy. So if/when you meet her - just be sure to screen her carefully. Make sure you negotiate the price, length of time she will stay with you and the service you want!

Besides, you are going to see so many to choose from, she may fall by the waist side.

Maybe you should find out all you can ahead of time, then set up a meeting. At the meeting you can confirm everything and if there are no red flags - go for it. Have fun.

Bravo
12-12-07, 19:52
My passport expires in Feb of 2008. I have a brasil trip scheduled for Jan 15-28th of 2008. Can I get a new passport before my old one expires?

What happens to the brasilian visa that expires in May of 2008? Will it carry over to my new passport?

Havahopeful
12-12-07, 20:05
When your passport expires but your Visa is still valid all you have to do is bring your old passport (which contains the Visa) along with your new passport to immigration. I have done this on 3 seperate occasions without any hitch.

Pipe Layer99
12-12-07, 20:14
My passport expires in Feb of 2008. I have a brasil trip scheduled for Jan 15-28th of 2008. Can I get a new passport before my old one expires?

What happens to the brasilian visa that expires in May of 2008? Will it carry over to my new passport?

Can someone shed some light here?

I was thinking of the same question the other week. I went to the post office to get a passport renewal application but then held off sending it in because I wasn't sure what will happen to my visa in the old passport.
My passport expires Sep 2008, but my Brazilian Visa is good until 2011.
My first thought was to simply apply for a new passport as if I lost the old one. This way I will end up with a new passport and still keep the old one with the valid Visa.
I'm gonna have to do some homework on this one.

Pipe Layer99
12-12-07, 20:21
When your passport expires but your Visa is still valid all you have to do is bring your old passport (which contains the Visa) along with your new passport to immigration. I have done this on 3 seperate occasions without any hitch.

Don't you have to mail in your old passport with the renewal application?
If so, do you get both back?
or
Did you simply apply for a new passport without sending in your old one?

Java Man
12-12-07, 20:32
Since you're applying for a renewal, you send in the old passport with the application. The old one gets returned with holes on it: sorta like binder holes.
When you travel to Brazil bring the old expired passport which contains the valid Brazilian visa and your new passport. I did that the last 2 yrs, (8 trips). :D
Be aware, it may take a few months before you get the new passport. You may be able to get it within a month, (expedited service,) but it will cost more.

Pipe Layer99
12-12-07, 21:16
Found it on the site mentioned above - you do get your old passport back.

Passport renewal info from site -

If you can, then How Do You Renew Your Passport By Mail?
1. Complete Application For Passport By Mail , form DS-82
Click here to download the DS-82 Application form .
Be sure to sign and date your application.

2. Attach to it:
Your most recent passport
Two identical passport photographs
And, a $67 fee payable to the U.S. Department of State.

NOTE: Your previous passport will be returned to you with your new passport.

Abzsafado
12-13-07, 00:48
I am really disgusted by a couple of the posts recently, that I must flame a little. No offense guys, but some of you are the dumbest most naive people in the world. I can't believe grown men would do some of the dumbass things that were talked about. #1 To the guy who went to the favela and was robbed at gunpoint and 1600 reals. You make paris hilton look like a PHD. Did you grow up in beverly hills. Do you not have any street smarts. You flew 8 to 14 hours to go to brazil so you can then go to a ghetto with a bunch of drug dealing murderers. Are you an idiot. Only 3 things can happen if you go to a favela, and 2 of them are real bad. Why don't you just go to the worst hood in detroit or new york and hang out with the brothers there. I'm sure they will be glad to to make you there guest. Show you around sort of speak. Where is your common sense. I have been asked to go to the favelas many times and turned it down. Why would I go. Why not hang out at the beach or my apartment. Its a slum idiot. #2 to the guy and guys that always ask if its a scam when girls ask for money for their sick mothers or rent. YES! The fact that you asked should tell you something. They are PROSTITUTES! Not you girlfriend from 8th grade. You people are just stupid. I don't know any other way to say it. Have fun with the girls, respect them but give them no more money that their nightly fee for sex. Period. Once you are home, there is no reason to give them anything. You can not get anything for your money. Wait until you are there and then pay them.
One of the best and truest posts on here. I have lost count of the number of punters I have seen in MP or hooker beach being told sob stories by tarts. There is a brilliant book of letters from Thai bar girls to " boyfriends" it should be compulsory reading for all mongers.

HoleRanger
12-13-07, 00:56
I also met her on a chat, she sent me some photos. I will be in Rio late January for Carnival. I added her to my list of possibilites but I have met others I placed higher on my list. If you get to Rio first, just give us a report. If I get there first, I will do the same. Enjoy!


Hi Guys,

Has anyone had any encounters with cristiane from Help? I have attached a photo. I met her on a chatroom, and she tld me she works at help 3 nights a week. I am coming to Rio shortly and was thinking of hooking up with her for a while.

Many thanks,

Andy

Lonzof
12-13-07, 04:01
Hi Guys,

Has anyone had any encounters with cristiane from Help? I have attached a photo. I met her on a chatroom, and she tld me she works at help 3 nights a week. I am coming to Rio shortly and was thinking of hooking up with her for a while.

Many thanks,

Andy

Your chat friend looks very sexy. Since I'm headed to Rio in January, I'm offering my services free of charge to and test drive her for you and promise to provide a full detail report. Just send me her email and phone number and I'll take care of the rest. Guaranteed.

Lonzof

Bravo
12-13-07, 04:28
Hi Guys,

Has anyone had any encounters with cristiane from Help? I have attached a photo. I met her on a chatroom, and she tld me she works at help 3 nights a week. I am coming to Rio shortly and was thinking of hooking up with her for a while.

Many thanks,

Andy


That must be an old picture she sent, because Cris has been blonde for at least 2 years now. I have never been with her but I know a number of guys who have been, they all gave her good reviews. She is supposed to be as freaky as they come, up for anything.

Icyhoteric
12-13-07, 06:20
Dear Brothers,

Fourth trip this year, I arrive on the 25th in the a.m., will hit the beach and then look to get started on fun, only have 6 nights. My question to my brothers, does anyone know if any places are open on xmas? I have a feeling it will be little to nothing, but it only takes one more or less. I know that on holidays often the centro termas are closed but many of the Zona Sul are open (not Centaurus), such as the Tuesday prior to Thanksgiving. Much bigger holiday though. I also know that the 24th is a bigger evening than the 25th, but it's also a huge day in Brazil.

So, any termas open? Dare I ask if Helpe is open? I assume it is. Also would be very curious if Florida is open, I love that place, was thinking that it doesn't get going til 11 so perhaps there's a chance.

Thanks for any thoughts, and happy to meet up if anyone is in town that week, will have 1-3 very accomplished Rio wingman who are chomping at the bit to get back to bunda-land.

Cheers,

IHE

Andy1974
12-13-07, 13:47
Huh, a girl in a chat room that admits to working at Help? How did that conversation come up?Hey Mr Ent

i was pretty surprised too, the conversation went sort of like this:

A: So what do you do in Rio?
C: I think you know what I do
A: (thinks: i think i do as well): No, whats that? I am an engineer (lol)
C: Help
A: never been, think i heard it mentioned somewhere though.

Etc.

My concern is this, perhaps one of you wisened mongers can guide me through a potential minefield:

As much as i'd like to spend some time with her, what I absolutley dont want is for her to get the wrong idea, I can imagine (and have read on this board similar experiences) of a monger hooking up, perhaps in the heat of the moment saying how much he likes her etc, (i.e. what i am constantly guilty of) then the next night in help or later the girl in question getting jealous as hell, starting a scene etc, when you are moving on to the next girl.

Anyway, I will be in Rio from Feb 15th for 16 nights, its my first time there, if anyone is around and fancies a beer drop me a PM and perhaps we can go out for a few drinks sometime.

Cheers!

Andy

P.S. Lonzof, thats a very generous offer of you, PM me and i will give your her email address and how I met her.

Andy1974
12-13-07, 14:05
My passport expires in Feb of 2008. I have a brasil trip scheduled for Jan 15-28th of 2008. Can I get a new passport before my old one expires?

What happens to the brasilian visa that expires in May of 2008? Will it carry over to my new passport?Can I ask what country you are coming from? I am from the UK and read that I didnt need a visa for brazil. But I do know that many many countries (even when you dont need a visa) state that you need a valid passport for at least 6 months after your arrival, which would mean that your passport is invalid as it is only valid for a few weeks after you arrive, i'd seriously consider getting it renewed, in fact I would renew any passport when its got about 8 months left on it.

Hope this helps.

Bravo
12-13-07, 16:42
Dear Brothers,

Fourth trip this year, I arrive on the 25th in the a.m., will hit the beach and then look to get started on fun, only have 6 nights. My question to my brothers, does anyone know if any places are open on xmas? I have a feeling it will be little to nothing, but it only takes one more or less. I know that on holidays often the centro termas are closed but many of the Zona Sul are open (not Centaurus), such as the Tuesday prior to Thanksgiving. Much bigger holiday though. I also know that the 24th is a bigger evening than the 25th, but it's also a huge day in Brazil.

So, any termas open? Dare I ask if Helpe is open? I assume it is. Also would be very curious if Florida is open, I love that place, was thinking that it doesn't get going til 11 so perhaps there's a chance.

Thanks for any thoughts, and happy to meet up if anyone is in town that week, will have 1-3 very accomplished Rio wingman who are chomping at the bit to get back to bunda-land.

Cheers,

IHE

I would guess that your only option, might be the beach. I highly doubt if any termas will be open, plus help is closed. Just look at your first day as you ropportunity to relax, catchup on your sleep and work on your tan.

Eberhard
12-13-07, 19:44
Dear Brothers,

Fourth trip this year, I arrive on the 25th in the a.m., will hit the beach and then look to get started on fun, only have 6 nights. My question to my brothers, does anyone know if any places are open on xmas? I have a feeling it will be little to nothing, but it only takes one more or less. I know that on holidays often the centro termas are closed but many of the Zona Sul are open (not Centaurus), such as the Tuesday prior to Thanksgiving. Much bigger holiday though. I also know that the 24th is a bigger evening than the 25th, but it's also a huge day in Brazil.

So, any termas open? Dare I ask if Helpe is open? I assume it is. Also would be very curious if Florida is open, I love that place, was thinking that it doesn't get going til 11 so perhaps there's a chance.

Thanks for any thoughts, and happy to meet up if anyone is in town that week, will have 1-3 very accomplished Rio wingman who are chomping at the bit to get back to bunda-land.

Cheers,

IHEUnfortunately all termas and Help are closed on 24. and 25.12. Action starts again on 26.

Hunting on the beach is my suggestion for 25.12.

Hoya Boy
12-13-07, 23:24
I am going to Rio and San Paulo in a couple of weeks. Can anyone recommend some top providers?

Tiradentes
12-14-07, 00:55
Dear Brothers,

Fourth trip this year, I arrive on the 25th in the a.m., will hit the beach and then look to get started on fun, only have 6 nights. My question to my brothers, does anyone know if any places are open on xmas? I have a feeling it will be little to nothing, but it only takes one more or less. I know that on holidays often the centro termas are closed but many of the Zona Sul are open (not Centaurus), such as the Tuesday prior to Thanksgiving. Much bigger holiday though. I also know that the 24th is a bigger evening than the 25th, but it's also a huge day in Brazil.

So, any termas open? Dare I ask if Helpe is open? I assume it is. Also would be very curious if Florida is open, I love that place, was thinking that it doesn't get going til 11 so perhaps there's a chance.

Thanks for any thoughts, and happy to meet up if anyone is in town that week, will have 1-3 very accomplished Rio wingman who are chomping at the bit to get back to bunda-land.

Cheers,

IHEI was in Rio last year's X-mas.

Termas:

On X-mas eve, all the termas + Help + Barbarella were closed.

The next day, all the termas were closed. However, Barbarella DID open. Granted, they were only 5 women and 5 men. I didn't check Help. But if Barb. was open, Help must have been opened too (expect very few people).

Restaurants :

Half of the restaurants in Copacabana closed X-mas eve. The other half was open. The nest day, those that were open the previous night closed; and the ones that were closed X-mas eve re-opened.

For this New Year celebration, expect all the termas to be closed Sunday (30), Monday (31), and Tuesday (1)

JohnnyBraz
12-14-07, 08:27
Andy1974,

Listen mate, I'm in Rio from 17th Feb till 7th March. Origionally from UK, but now in Oz.

If you wanna meet up in Mia Pataca on the Sun 17th, let me know.

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Java Man
12-14-07, 17:59
GandJim posted this map on the Sao Paulo thread.
What a great find! It has a Rio map, and other Cities:
Buenos Aires, Kiev, Lima, Macau, Minsk, Moscow, Prague, Sao Paulo St-Petersburg, and Warsaw. Also maps of Belgium, Germany, Spain, and Switzerland.
It's Google Earth based and one can contribute by adding new clubs.

If you have a TomTom GPS, you can download to it.
Doesn't work well with Internet Explorer, use Firefox or Opera.
http://www.isaw-db.com/map_rdj.html

Icyhoteric
12-15-07, 07:07
I was in Rio last year's X-mas.

Termas:

On X-mas eve, all the termas + Help + Barbarella were closed.

The next day, all the termas were closed. However, Barbarella DID open. Granted, they were only 5 women and 5 men. I didn't check Help. But if Barb. was open, Help must have been opened too (expect very few people).

Restaurants :

Half of the restaurants in Copacabana closed X-mas eve. The other half was open. The nest day, those that were open the previous night closed; and the ones that were closed X-mas eve re-opened.

For this New Year celebration, expect all the termas to be closed Sunday (30), Monday (31), and Tuesday (1)Truly thank you for your response, and the other two as well. Wow! Sunday Monday and Tuesday closed!

My favorite part about Rio is the 1045 aa flight back to the states at night, going right from the termas. The only way to do leave. Oh man! 1

Looks like I'm going to have to find some top talent, as I only play with the top, during the week, and get tons of numbers because we know they always flake out.

At least when I get there I'll be able to ask them all when they are closed. For the first night, I'm digging up old favs and hope I can get 3-4 to come over, and I'll hunt as I arrive in the morning.

Oh man, I was hoping it would be crazier in the termas, now I only have Wed-Sat! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Thanks guys. If anyone has any more info, please let us all know. When I come back, I will post exact, ly what it was on the 25th, 30th, and 31st.

Obrigado,

Ihe

BootyTapper
12-16-07, 00:49
Can I ask what country you are coming from? I am from the UK and read that I didnt need a visa for brazil. But I do know that many many countries (even when you dont need a visa) state that you need a valid passport for at least 6 months after your arrival, which would mean that your passport is invalid as it is only valid for a few weeks after you arrive, i'd seriously consider getting it renewed, in fact I would renew any passport when its got about 8 months left on it.

Hope this helps.

Bravo and Andy I just renewed my passport because like Bravo it was expiring in Feb'08. Like Lonzof stated they will send you back the old passport, but it will be deactivated because they will punch 3 holes (top, center, and bottom). So any visa that you have inside is lost and you have to get a new one(s). I just lost 1 1/2 year left on my Brasil visa and the consulate is telling me I will have to get a new visa. Sucks, but if it were any other country I would say "F-It", but this is Brasil. On day 1 that visa fee would be paid in full and more. lol

Houston Player
12-16-07, 00:57
Your visa is still good and will be accepted even with the three holes in the passport. Most of us have had to do this.

In fact I wanted to get a new visa so I didn't have to carry two passports. When I asked the consulate they said no I needed to wait until my prior visa had expired. I should have just told them I had lost it but I went in person with both passports.

BTW, I am in Houston and the consulate is about 5 minutes from my office.

Laphorn
12-16-07, 01:04
Dear Brothers,

Fourth trip this year, I arrive on the 25th in the a.m., will hit the beach and then look to get started on fun, only have 6 nights. My question to my brothers, does anyone know if any places are open on xmas? I have a feeling it will be little to nothing, but it only takes one more or less. I know that on holidays often the centro termas are closed but many of the Zona Sul are open (not Centaurus), such as the Tuesday prior to Thanksgiving. Much bigger holiday though. I also know that the 24th is a bigger evening than the 25th, but it's also a huge day in Brazil.

So, any termas open? Dare I ask if Helpe is open? I assume it is. Also would be very curious if Florida is open, I love that place, was thinking that it doesn't get going til 11 so perhaps there's a chance.

Thanks for any thoughts, and happy to meet up if anyone is in town that week, will have 1-3 very accomplished Rio wingman who are chomping at the bit to get back to bunda-land.

Cheers,

IHEYo G I will be making my 6th trip in 6 days and will be there Dec 22 to Jan 12 should get together

My last trip I found Florida bar but me my wingman got there around 6 pm and found out we were to early would like to hit that place again

Respond here I don't private message but we can hook up a date to meet a MP maybe the 26 I would love to hit Florida again late.

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Bravo
12-16-07, 03:24
Bravo and Andy I just renewed my passport because like Bravo it was expiring in Feb'08. Like Lonzof stated they will send you back the old passport, but it will be deactivated because they will punch 3 holes (top, center, and bottom). So any visa that you have inside is lost and you have to get a new one(s). I just lost 1 1/2 year left on my Brasil visa and the consulate is telling me I will have to get a new visa. Sucks, but if it were any other country I would say "F-It", but this is Brasil. On day 1 that visa fee would be paid in full and more. lol

BootyTapper, that is so crazy!! I appreciate your response. Oddly, about 7 people have responded to me that they used their old passport (with the brasilian visa) in conjunction with the new passport, when traveling. I guess when it comes to Brasil, no one ever truly knows that the truth is.

One Eyed Man
12-16-07, 04:03
BootyTapper, that is so crazy!! I appreciate your response. Oddly, about 7 people have responded to me that they used their old passport (with the brasilian visa) in conjunction with the new passport, when traveling. I guess when it comes to Brasil, no one ever truly knows that the truth is.

This is copied from the NYC Brazilian Consulate's FAQs on their website:

10) IF MY VISA IS VALID AND MY PASSPORT EXPIRES WHAT SHOULD I DO? GET ANOTHER PASSPORT AND CARRY BOTH WHEN YOU TRAVEL TO BRAZIL.

Canuck9970
12-16-07, 05:07
I travelled to Brasil at least 11 times in 2005 and 2006. My old passport with my Brasilian visa expired in 2004. I carried both passports for those 11 visits to Brasil and never had an issue.

This is a common problem throughout the world. The next time you are in an immigration line just look around at how many people are carrying two passports.

Bravo
12-16-07, 06:56
This is copied from the NYC Brazilian Consulate's FAQs on their website:

10) IF MY VISA IS VALID AND MY PASSPORT EXPIRES WHAT SHOULD I DO? GET ANOTHER PASSPORT AND CARRY BOTH WHEN YOU TRAVEL TO BRAZIL.


Could you post a link to that FAQ section. THX

One Eyed Man
12-16-07, 19:01
Could you post a link to that FAQ section. THX

Sure.

http://en.brazilny.org/index.php?/consulado/tourism/obtain_visa

Always Horny #2
12-16-07, 20:17
First, I want to express my deep jealousy of all you lucky bastards that are enjoying the FUN and sun in Rio while I'm stuck in a foot of snow here in Chicago.

I need some help. As my divorce is finalizing, I am in the process of planning my trip to Rio toward the end of April/beginning of May.

Is this a "good" time to go?

I've read the posts for quite some time. Thanks to your input and Bubba's guide, I think I have a decent understanding of what to expect. I guess what I am trying to get to is that I don't want the typical monger experience. I'm African-Amercan, i'm in my early thirties, i'm in great physical shape, based upon the attention of I get from women in America I consider myself handsome and I make a decent penny.

I dream of meeting a non-pro or at the very least a non hardcore woman that only occasionally dabbles in the trade. I want a STUNNER. I want someone I can wine and dine, make a connection, and spend some quality time together just chilling out. Of course sex will have to be on the menu, but it does not have to happen the first night. I am willing to put in some work and show patience. I will be there for about 2 weeks.

Are my expectations unrealistic? I would probably spend way more on the woman/women by going my route instead of just paying for the company and I am okay with this. Since I am coming solo, I'm going to want some company anyway. I want to fool myself into thinking she really wants me for me and that I am really special. I'm nobody's sucker, but I don't mind spending money on a woman and treating her to nice things.

Where should I look?
Ipanema Beach?
Nightclubs?
Via Shows?
Shopping Malls?

I appreciate the assistance. My big head really wants to believe what I have stated above, but by the time I touch down in Rio, I wouldn't be surprised if I head straight to 4x4 or Centarus to take the edge off...LOL.

Always Horny #2
12-16-07, 21:22
First, I want to express my deep jealousy of all you lucky bastards that are enjoying the FUN and sun in Rio while I'm stuck in a foot of snow here in Chicago.

I need some help. As my divorce is finalizing, I am in the process of planning my trip to Rio toward the end of April/beginning of May.

Is this a "good" time to go?

I've read the posts for quite some time. Thanks to your input and Bubba's guide, I think I have a decent understanding of what to expect. I guess what I am trying to get to is that I don't want the typical monger experience. I'm African-Amercan, i'm in my early thirties, i'm in great physical shape, based upon the attention of I get from women in America I consider myself handsome and I make a decent penny.

I dream of meeting a non-pro or at the very least a non hardcore woman that only occasionally dabbles in the trade. I want a STUNNER. I want someone I can wine and dine, make a connection, and spend some quality time together just chilling out. Of course sex will have to be on the menu, but it does not have to happen the first night. I am willing to put in some work and show patience. I will be there for about 2 weeks.

Are my expectations unrealistic? I would probably spend way more on the woman/women by going my route instead of just paying for the company and I am okay with this. Since I am coming solo, I'm going to want some company anyway. I want to fool myself into thinking she really wants me for me and that I am really special. I'm nobody's sucker, but I don't mind spending money on a woman and treating her to nice things.

Where should I look?
Ipanema Beach?
Nightclubs?
Via Shows?
Shopping Malls?

I appreciate the assistance. My big head really wants to believe what I have stated above, but by the time I touch down in Rio, I wouldn't be surprised if I head straight to 4x4 or Centarus to take the edge off...LOL.

BootyTapper
12-17-07, 02:27
Sure.

http://en.brazilny.org/index.php?/consulado/tourism/obtain_visa

Thanks for that link One Eyed! That saves me some cash and worries because I just checked the old passport again and the visa page is good, which means its still good and can be used for another 2 years. Time to hit Rio!!!

Off Road
12-17-07, 03:33
Thanks for that link One Eyed! That saves me some cash and worries because I just checked the old passport again and the visa page is good, which means its still good and can be used for another 2 years. Time to hit Rio!!!
I used my old passport, with the brazil visa, and the holes punched in it for a few years. My visa was still valid.

Bootytapper, did you just get a new visa based on a forum advice, or did some official deny you with the old visa in the old passport?

Team Stream
12-17-07, 04:50
Be aware, it may take a few months before you get the new passport. You may be able to get it within a month, (expedited service,) but it will cost more.

The US passport agency was really fast with my renewal. The peak time apparently is right before the summer (thus not now).

Mailed it from Illinois (to Pennsylvania) on Monday Nov 5 using first class mail requesting normal service (non-expedited service).
Got email notification on Sat. Nov 24, that it was done and will be mailed.
Received (new and old passport) on Wednesday, Nov 28 via priority mail.

I was really impressed as the turn around was less than 3 weeks... and this bridged the Thanksgiving holiday.

Paracite
12-17-07, 04:54
Do any of you know what are the hot club/discos to hit up in Rio? I am going to Rio for the first time at the end of January, and want to try the regular cariocas before hitting the P4P scene. I know of Nuth, 00, Mariuzinn, and Guapo Loco, but have no idea if they are the hot and trendy places. Obrigado.

One Eyed Man
12-17-07, 07:25
This is not an endorsement, but Time Out just published a guide on Rio. It's about 250 pages but just 3/8" thick and has some good tips on restaurants, clubs, and day trips. (I'm sure experienced mongers will snort that they don't need it.)

Another good one is Rio for Partiers, which is also available in downloadable form. It's aimed at a twenty-something crowd but has many good tips, like (1) always have change for a R$50 bill, and (2) don't eat the shrimp on the beach (unless you want to die.)

El Austriaco
12-17-07, 09:20
Are my expectations unrealistic?
By the way you describe yourself without specifying any knowledge of Portuguese and based on the questions that ask, I assume you don't speak any Portuguese, though I could be wrong, of course.

No Portuguese? Yes, entirely unrealistic.
Speak Portuguese? Well, there's always a chance... but it's still much more unrealistic than not.

After all, you are only spending two weeks there, and then you take off again, without any guaranty that you will ever come back. Why would a girl be interested in that?

You also said that, if not a non-pro, you want "at the very least a non hardcore woman that only occasionally dabbles in the trade". Which beggers the question... how do you know for sure that she only occasionally dabbles in the trade? If you think that it's a problem for any Rio GDP to maintain the illusion that she only works occasionally for a mere two weeks, think again. Or that she is not really hardcore.

I suggest that you find a great girl that treats you right, gives you a GFE, that you can wine and dine as you please for a couple of weeks if you want, and then you go back home without worrying about the rest. Live the fantasy while you are there, but remember that you are in an adult Disneyland: just don't worry about who's getting on the ride before or after you, and how many people have taken the ride. Just enjoy the ride, and if you like it, you come back.

EA

P.S.: Anytime in Rio is better than anytime in sex prision. Personally, I think April/May is perfect: it's already after Carnaval, and the weather is no longer as sweltering hot as during the Brazilian summer while still being very pleasant. In addition, there are still some girls hanging on from the Carnaval heydays, so there are more than during the Brazilian winter months, although generally speaking, you shouldn't have any problem whatsoever finding girls year-round.

George90
12-17-07, 13:01
Of course sex will have to be on the menu, but it does not have to happen the first night. I am willing to put in some work and show patience. I will be there for about 2 weeks.

Are my expectations unrealistic? I would probably spend way more on the woman/women by going my route instead of just paying for the company and I am okay with this. I'm nobody's sucker, but I don't mind spending money on a woman and treating her to nice things.

When I read this post, my first thoughts were that this guy, coming off of a divorce with an AW and having extensive successful experience with AWs, is thoroughly whipped by AWs and doesn't have a clue about how non-Americanized women view men and expect men to behave and treat them. He seems keen on heading into Rio and using the same tactics on Brasilieras as he uses on AWs. I think that will only lead to finding a AW in Brazilian clothing. We all know how that turns out! If he is eager to let his money burn holes in his pockets, he will find plenty of STUNNER ladies eager to pick up his money as it falls all over Avenida Atlantico.

My suggestion is for Always Horny to completely forget about looking for a rebound relationship. It would be better to simply experience women from a different culture on this trip, take each one as she comes, learn about non-AWs, and forget about AWs. On a second trip, experience more women and learn about Brazil. On a third or fourth trip, after making friends with regular Brazilians and learning Portuguese, think about developing a relationship.

Jesuscola
12-17-07, 13:56
First, I want to express my deep jealousy of all you lucky bastards that are enjoying the FUN and sun in Rio while I'm stuck in a foot of snow here in Chicago.

I need some help. As my divorce is finalizing, I am in the process of planning my trip to Rio toward the end of April/beginning of May.

Is this a "good" time to go?

I've read the posts for quite some time. Thanks to your input and Bubba's guide, I think I have a decent understanding of what to expect. I guess what I am trying to get to is that I don't want the typical monger experience. I'm African-Amercan, i'm in my early thirties, i'm in great physical shape, based upon the attention of I get from women in America I consider myself handsome and I make a decent penny.

I dream of meeting a non-pro or at the very least a non hardcore woman that only occasionally dabbles in the trade. I want a STUNNER. I want someone I can wine and dine, make a connection, and spend some quality time together just chilling out. Of course sex will have to be on the menu, but it does not have to happen the first night. I am willing to put in some work and show patience. I will be there for about 2 weeks.

Are my expectations unrealistic? I would probably spend way more on the woman/women by going my route instead of just paying for the company and I am okay with this. Since I am coming solo, I'm going to want some company anyway. I want to fool myself into thinking she really wants me for me and that I am really special. I'm nobody's sucker, but I don't mind spending money on a woman and treating her to nice things.

Where should I look?
Ipanema Beach?
Nightclubs?
Via Shows?
Shopping Malls?

I appreciate the assistance. My big head really wants to believe what I have stated above, but by the time I touch down in Rio, I wouldn't be surprised if I head straight to 4x4 or Centarus to take the edge off...LOL.

A phrase comes to mind: "The Perfect Storm."

This may sound harsh, but, honestly, this may as well be the resume of EVERY guy who ever got fleeced in Rio. Honest advice, only spend your money on hookers. Make it clear with non-pros that your money stays in your pocket. If you want to make a "real connection," make sure it is clear to her that there is little immediate material benefit to your company. You've got a better chance of separating the wheat from the chaff that way. Just because she's not working Help doesn't mean she's not working her angles...

Best of luck.

Hitmanm3
12-17-07, 16:53
A phrase comes to mind: "The Perfect Storm."

This may sound harsh, but, honestly, this may as well be the resume of EVERY guy who ever got fleeced in Rio. Honest advice, only spend your money on hookers. Make it clear with non-pros that your money stays in your pocket. If you want to make a "real connection," make sure it is clear to her that there is little immediate material benefit to your company. You've got a better chance of separating the wheat from the chaff that way. Just because she's not working Help doesn't mean she's not working her angles...

Best of luck.Anytime after Carnival is good to go to Rio, for example March, April and may is good time to take a trip. The weather is still great and the talents are still around from carnival. The only draw back is the price on the apartments wich during this time is still considered high season atleast until April.

Exec Talent
12-17-07, 16:54
Just as a warning to those embarking, like I have, on the normal girl route ...

Be prepared to exert some willpower. One of the things (even among GDPs) that has happened to me a lot is girls trying to have sex with me without a condom. At first, I thought it was all about money, but have discovered that many of these girls are secretly members of the Third Reich in pursuit of an Aryan race.

Also, be prepared for them to be far more possessive than any GDP. You may want to rent Fatal Attraction if you have not already seen it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_Attraction

George90
12-17-07, 17:33
Just as a warning to those embarking, like I have, on the normal girl route ...

Be prepared to exert some willpower. One of the things (even among GDPs) that has happened to me a lot is girls trying to have sex with me without a condom. At first, I thought it was all about money, but have discovered that many of these girls are secretly members of the Third Reich in pursuit of an Aryan race.

Are you saying that these Rio gals won't go bareback with the Brothers!!!???!!!??? That Brown ain't down???!!!???!!!??? LOL!!!

Exec Talent
12-17-07, 19:10
Are you saying that these Rio gals won't go bareback with the Brothers!!!???!!!??? That Brown ain't down???!!!???!!!??? LOL!!!

George, sorry to say, but a great mind yours is not. You should try to hook up with Rio Bob; I think the two of you would have a smashingly good time.

I only was reporting on my personal experiences. If it had happened only once or twice I would have thought nothing of it. However, when a number of girls ask similar detailed questions about my parentage and also want to have unprotected sex, one does not have to be Oswald Avery to conclude that it is the gene pool that they are after.

George90
12-17-07, 19:59
George, sorry to say, but a great mind yours is not. You should try to hook up with Rio Bob; I think the two of you would have a smashingly good time.

ET,

I guess you didn't notice the "LOL!!!" at the end of my post.

Thanos
12-17-07, 20:05
Do any of you know what are the hot club/discos to hit up in Rio? I am going to Rio for the first time at the end of January, and want to try the regular cariocas before hitting the P4P scene. I know of Nuth, 00, Mariuzinn, and Guapo Loco, but have no idea if they are the hot and trendy places. Obrigado.Marizinno, dieto e feito and the hideaway in larengeras are all very good clubs with tons of regular girls. Club ceasars in Barra as well; but if you speak no portuguese and you stand out as a gringo don't expect to get much play from the ladies. Regardless of what you've read or heard regular brazilian women are not flocking towards foreigners. Especially the women who can afford to get into these clubs.

BootyTapper
12-18-07, 00:48
I used my old passport, with the brazil visa, and the holes punched in it for a few years. My visa was still valid.

Bootytapper, did you just get a new visa based on a forum advice, or did some official deny you with the old visa in the old passport?

The consulate in SF told me that I had to get a new one, but I didn't. I found out that my visa page was not punched so its all good and still valid. It still has 2 years so I will travel with two passports to Rio.

Rio Joe
12-18-07, 00:51
One of the things (even among GDPs) that has happened to me a lot is girls trying to have sex with me without a condom.Are you sure you're not deluding yourself about all these Brasileiras having a genuine interest in you? With all due respect, you're not even bearable as a "disembodied" poster in an online forum. One can only imagine what you're like in person. Then again, who knows? Maybe you reserve your obnoxious side for here and in real life you're fun to be around. I hope that's the case.

Pipe Layer99
12-18-07, 00:58
The consulate in SF told me that I had to get a new one, but I didn't. I found out that my visa page was not punched so its all good and still valid. It still has 2 years so I will travel with two passports to Rio.

They just tried to make some more money off of you.
Good call on your part.

Pipe Layer99
12-18-07, 01:09
...I've read the posts for quite some time. Thanks to your input and Bubba's guide, I think I have a decent understanding of what to expect. I guess what I am trying to get to is that I don't want the typical monger experience.

I dream of meeting a non-pro or at the very least a non hardcore woman that only occasionally dabbles in the trade. I want a STUNNER. I want someone I can wine and dine, make a connection, and spend some quality time together just chilling out. Of course sex will have to be on the menu, but it does not have to happen the first night. I am willing to put in some work and show patience. I will be there for about 2 weeks.

Are my expectations unrealistic? I would probably spend way more on the woman/women by going my route instead of just paying for the company and I am okay with this. Since I am coming solo, I'm going to want some company anyway. I want to fool myself into thinking she really wants me for me and that I am really special. I'm nobody's sucker, but I don't mind spending money on a woman and treating her to nice things.
I wouldn't be surprised if I head straight to 4x4 or Centarus to take the edge off...LOL.

Just go with an open mind and know its gonna be a challenge.
Then, like you wrote, you can always go to a terma to take the edge off. You will most likely go more than once. And hopefully you'll visit more than one terma. Each one has its share of #1 Stunners!

If you read Bubba's guide you are off to a great start. Before my first trip, I read it, took notes, and everything went well.

Read more past reports and stay on top of the forum for new ones.

I also live in Chicago - so if you have any specific questions, send me a pm and then we can talk. DD

Thanos
12-18-07, 01:33
First, I want to express my deep jealousy of all you lucky bastards that are enjoying the FUN and sun in Rio while I'm stuck in a foot of snow here in Chicago.

I need some help. As my divorce is finalizing, I am in the process of planning my trip to Rio toward the end of April/beginning of May.

Is this a "good" time to go?

I've read the posts for quite some time. Thanks to your input and Bubba's guide, I think I have a decent understanding of what to expect. I guess what I am trying to get to is that I don't want the typical monger experience. I'm African-Amercan, i'm in my early thirties, i'm in great physical shape, based upon the attention of I get from women in America I consider myself handsome and I make a decent penny.

I dream of meeting a non-pro or at the very least a non hardcore woman that only occasionally dabbles in the trade. I want a STUNNER. I want someone I can wine and dine, make a connection, and spend some quality time together just chilling out. Of course sex will have to be on the menu, but it does not have to happen the first night. I am willing to put in some work and show patience. I will be there for about 2 weeks.

Are my expectations unrealistic? I would probably spend way more on the woman/women by going my route instead of just paying for the company and I am okay with this. Since I am coming solo, I'm going to want some company anyway. I want to fool myself into thinking she really wants me for me and that I am really special. I'm nobody's sucker, but I don't mind spending money on a woman and treating her to nice things.

Where should I look?
Ipanema Beach?
Nightclubs?
Via Shows?
Shopping Malls?

I appreciate the assistance. My big head really wants to believe what I have stated above, but by the time I touch down in Rio, I wouldn't be surprised if I head straight to 4x4 or Centarus to take the edge off...LOL.If its your first trip and you don't speak portuguese you can forget about hooking up with a regular girl unless you get extremely lucky and some girl just has love at first sight for you. First you're headed to Rio which probably means copa which probably means that 98% of the girls you run across will be pros. Secondly you'll find that time flies between the time change, the late nights, drinking and sleeping til noon or later you'll have very little time to explore on your first trip. Rio is a huge city and just the sight seeing will take up days. Third; you're new and the girls can smell a newbie a mile away. More than likely someone will lock you down as they all try to do and monopolize most of your trip and you'll love it! One thing you'll realize is that unless you actually know the girls you probably won't be able to tell a pro from a regular girl. Its not like the states where regular girls where conservative clothing most of the time and the pros wear outlandish clothes. In brazil regular girls dress just as sexy as the pros and alot of them even look better. You're an american which to most brazilians means you're rich and basically an ATM. "regular" girls can be even more scandalous when it comes to draining your wallet. If I were you I'd just enjoy the pay for play. Once you're tired of that (maybe after your 20th trip) you can pursue a regular girl.

Thanos
12-18-07, 02:20
BootyTapper, that is so crazy!! I appreciate your response. Oddly, about 7 people have responded to me that they used their old passport (with the brasilian visa) in conjunction with the new passport, when traveling. I guess when it comes to Brasil, no one ever truly knows that the truth is.Just carry both. The visa in the old passport is still valid.

Ezinho
12-18-07, 03:11
And I appreciate it if you never mention my name again on this board or I will ask Jackson to examine your posts for being an antagonist.
I'm suprised Jackson hasn't acted against him long ago for being a Stealth Serial Antagonist:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-serialantagonists.php

Rio Joe
12-18-07, 04:26
Please you're so full of yourself; get over it your nothing but a putz who listens to these poor girls and you think it’s about you.
Rio Bob, did you ever meet him? Regardless of his faults (or maybe because of them), Exec Talent's certainly a fascinating character. Anyone know what he does for a living? He makes lots of general references to his "various residences" in Brazil and his work there.

I know, I know. I'm obsessed with him and I have to snap out of it. Forgive me, this board is not the right place for such musings. But ever since he started in on me without provocation, he's piqued my interest. (ET, if you're reading this, you do have a way of getting into people's brains. It's like a lame song that you find yourself humming over and over and can't get out of your head. I'm sure you're thrilled at the attention.)

RonnyRon
12-18-07, 04:38
Are you sure you're not deluding yourself about all these Brasileiras having a genuine interest in you? With all due respect, you're not even bearable as a "disembodied" poster in an online forum. One can only imagine what you're like in person. Then again, who knows? Maybe you reserve your obnoxious side for here and in real life you're fun to be around. I hope that's the case.

Yes he is. Finally it has been said! I too have grown tried of his incessant bragging about how great he is and how much the non-pro and the pros love him. I believe he posted a single picture and it was a poor one at that. I just don’t want to read how much better he is then all of us mere mortals. Bragging about the great exchange rate he gets, yet shares no information on how others can. That does not contribute a thing to this site. I agree with Rio Bob & Ezinho. This guy should get a life or contribute some information, which someone can actually use for the purposes of this forum.

Think I'll post some photos from my last trip. Now that I got that out of my system, I believe I'm in the mood to share.

RR

Sperto
12-18-07, 08:12
Not just that, this is a site about prostitution, who really gives a shit about you dating normal girls...
"The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding women for sex."

Finding women for sex... some members do also enjoy having sex with women who are not prostitutes. Brazil isn't only a mongers paradise but also a paradise for picking up non-pro's. Exchange of information that helps fellow members getting laid with non-pro's might be very valuable, specially to those with limited experience of Brazil.

Lancer520
12-18-07, 16:31
Just a quick question for any of you Rio mongers. Does anyone know if the Princess Copacabana is still girl friendly. On my last trip 2 years ago I stayed there, and there was no charge for guests. Good hotel close to the action. any info on the hotel would help. Thanks.

Kid Cisco
12-18-07, 16:39
Rio Joe, when he started antagonizing me several years ago he would say in his condescending way, Oh Rio Bob you're the type of guy I would like to just have a beer with and talk about old times in Rio. So on one of my trips to Rio I accept his offer but he doesn't want to show, it was an empty offer just designed to put down and lift himself up. He does this all the time.

Another thing that I see is that brand new regular members will come on the board and ask an innocent newbie question, just to test the waters and Bam this guy is all over them telling them how stupid they are. You never hear from these members again and I'm sure as a result of that they never join and pay the subscription price. He chases them away.Don't worry Rio Bob to much about what happen with you I heard the same thing before on other sites about him, he been chased AWAY and ran off on so many other sites.

I am just shock it took this long before some of the smart guys on here to catch on to him being such a loser.

Kid Cisco

Bravo
12-18-07, 17:42
Just a quick question for any of you Rio mongers. Does anyone know if the Princess Copacabana is still girl friendly. On my last trip 2 years ago I stayed there, and there was no charge for guests. Good hotel close to the action. any info on the hotel would help. Thanks.

Stayed there last week, still guest friendly. (no charge)

Ostevo
12-18-07, 19:10
Do you have a web site for the Princess Copacabana hotel, and what did you pay for a suite? Looking for any GF hotels in the end of Feb-March.

Mr Enternational
12-19-07, 07:30
Do you have a web site for the Princess Copacabana hotel, and what did you pay for a suite? Looking for any GF hotels in the end of Feb-March.

http://www.promenade.com.br/princess_copa/index.asp

As far as prices, that would depend on when you go.

For tomorrow:

Descrição das acomodações: Qui
20 Preço médio
p/ pernoite
AP-APARTAMENTO DOUBLE - CATEGORIA TC3
(Com café incluído na diária)
R$ 197,00

SM-SUITE DOUBLE - CATEGORIA TC3
(Com café incluído na diária)
R$ 279,00

ST-SUITE TWIN - CATEGORIA TC3
(Com café incluído na diária)
R$ 279,00

SL-SUITE LUXO TWIN - CATEGORIA TC3
(Com café incluído na diária)
R$326,00

And when you want it for (beg. of March):

AP-APARTAMENTO DOUBLE - SIMPOSIO INTERNACION
(Com café incluído na diária)
R$ 246,00

ST-SUITE TWIN - SIMPOSIO INTERNACION
(Com café incluído na diária)
R$ 349,00

SM-SUITE DOUBLE - SIMPOSIO INTERNACION
(Com café incluído na diária)
R$ 349,00

SL-SUITE LUXO TWIN - SIMPOSIO INTERNACION
(Com café incluído na diária)
R$ 407,00

Sperto
12-19-07, 08:23
ET, I've always enjoyed your posts. Keep up your good work.

Rio Bob, you´re very quick attacking ET. I read your comment to ET:

I will ask Jackson to examine your posts for being an antagonist.
Examining posts... that was very amusing thinking of that you have put in a system to give flaming posts which you delete within 24 hours. You don't want to leave any trace?

There have been very few valuable reports in the Rio-section lately. Maybe all the "Rio-experts" could go back to reporting instead of fighting like 5-year-olds.
If somebody don't like any other member then use your Ignore list.

Prosal
12-19-07, 16:53
Agree with Sperto.

Exec Talent is a good added-value member one of the best contributor to the brasilian forum.

His posts usually contain real information and are of value for the monger.

Can't say the same about the pontificating and controvertial "Rio Experts" who are currently bashing him.

El Austriaco
12-19-07, 17:27
Finding women for sex... some members do also enjoy having sex with women who are not prostitutes. Brazil isn't only a mongers paradise but also a paradise for picking up non-pro's. Exchange of information that helps fellow members getting laid with non-pro's might be very valuable, specially to those with limited experience of Brazil.
As usual, I agree with Sperto. Considering that this site is NOT exclusively about P4P, I think it's perfectly legitimate to provide first-hand information about meeting and picking up non-pros. After all, the fact that most of us on this site engage in P4P doesn't preclude us from going after regular women, too.

As a matter of fact, considering that there are quite a bit of myths out there about regular Brazilian women (a la "just go to Rio, women will just spread their legs at the sight of a gringo" or "Brazilian women are the easiest to bed anywhere in the world"), it doesn't surprise me that people come onto this board questioning why anyone would even want/have to pay for sex in Brazil, especially when they are relatively young, in shape, and good-looking. I remember that months ago, there was a guy who was seriously thinking that it was realistic for him to just go to Brazil for the first time without speaking a lick of Portuguese and quickly find an English-speaking, educated, upper-crust model-type stunner! IMHO, these misconceptions and outlandish expectations deserve to be addressed on this board... for the benefit of all of its members that may be inclined to go down the same road.

Anyone else think that there should be a special section in the Brazil forum, like "Non-Pros"? Personally, I do hope that the next update of Bubba's Guide will include a special section on how to deal with and what to expect from non-pros in Brazil. That way, we might be able to reduce the number of people regurgitating the same repetitive questions (and answers) over and over again. I also believe that we have a lot of collective brainpower and years of experience here that we can put to good use in conclusively addressing non-pro-related issues: Sperto certainly would have a lot to say, Rio Bob has dated regular women, Bubba Boy has, ET has, and too many others as well that will forgive me for not mentioning them by name here.

EA

Exec Talent
12-19-07, 17:28
Let's get this forum back to what it is supposed to be about.

My only interest is that people respect other countries, their culture and most importantly their women. The Brazilian forum has such wonderful members from whom I have learned so much. I sincerely apologize if I was the source of any discord.

Sperto
12-19-07, 18:54
Brazilian non-pro's being easy to bed, true or not? It depends.

At least they are very flirtatious compared to western women. In Brazil you can smile to the woman you meet on the street, say something sweet and get a smile back without risking getting hit by something hard in your head.

IMHO to have success with non-pro's in Brazil you need:
1. Portuguese skills. Women like to have a conversation on your date.
2. Time and patience. Sometimes you might have to date several times before getting laid. Don't have to high expectations if you go to Brazil for one week.
3. There doesn't exist bad places to look for non-pro's. There are lovely non-pro's everywhere. Hit on the waitress, the cashier, the bank-woman, the police, your neighbour etc. As long as it's a woman that interests you, hit on her. You have nothing to loose (as long as she's not walking hand-in-hand with her 2 meter tall capoeira-boyfriend).
4. As with any women, treat them with respect and show interest in her. Don't flirt with her friends, sisters and give her no reason to be jealous (maybe the last part is impossible as they are jealous by nature).
5. Don't dress like a slob, and stay clean. Keeping fit is also an advantage.
6. Gifts! Brazilian women loves gifts. Flowers, wine, chocolate, Teddy-bears, jewellery and sweet cards playing cute tunes.
7. They love romantic guys. Red roses, light candles and hold hands.
8. Don't be too slow. Even though they want a well-behaved gentleman they will expect you to don't wait too long before taking an initiative.
9. Darker women are easier to bed. It's not a biological issue. Upperclass women needs more work than lowerclass women. In general the rich are white and the lowerclass have darker skin.
10. Get brazilian friends. They know which clubs that have good score-potentials. They'll also present you to their female friends.
11. Finally, but most important, leave Rio and your chance of success will be much higher. If you can't leave Rio, leave at least Copa.

Mangera
12-19-07, 20:44
[QUOTE=Sperto]Brazilian non-pro's being easy to bed, true or not? It depends.

At least they are very flirtatious compared to western women. In Brazil you can smile to the woman you meet on the street, say something sweet and get a smile back without risking getting hit by something hard in your head.

IMHO to have success with non-pro's in Brazil you need:
1. Portuguese skills. Women like to have a conversation on your date.
2. Time and patience. Sometimes you might have to date several times before getting laid. Don't have to high expectations if you go to Brazil for one week.
3. There doesn't exist bad places to look for non-pro's. There are lovely non-pro's everywhere. Hit on the waitress, the cashier, the bank-woman, the police, your neighbour etc. As long as it's a woman that interests you, hit on her. You have nothing to loose (as long as she's not walking hand-in-hand with her 2 meter tall capoeira-boyfriend).
4. As with any women, treat them with respect and show interest in her. Don't flirt with her friends, sisters and give her no reason to be jealous (maybe the last part is impossible as they are jealous by nature).
5. Don't dress like a slob, and stay clean. Keeping fit is also an advantage.
6. Presents! Brazilian women loves presents. Flowers, wine, chocolate, Teddy-bears, jewellery and sweet cards playing cute tunes.
7. They love romantic guys. Red roses, light candles and hold hands.
8. Don't be too slow. Even though they want a well-behaved gentleman they will expect you to don't wait too long before taking an initiative.
9. Darker women are easier to bed. It's not a biological issue. Upperclass women needs more work than lowerclass women. In general the rich are white and the lowerclass have darker skin.
10. Get brazilian friends. They know which clubs that have good score-potentials. They'll also present you to their female friends.
11. Finally, but most important, leave Rio and your chance of success will be much higher. If you can't leave Rio, leave at least Copa.[/QUOTE

Voce sim e sperto!

Off Road
12-19-07, 23:10
There are also threads about living in brazil, finances in brazil. All of which are related to sex in some way. I know I came here because the sex, weather and attitude of the brazilians.

For me pro or non-pro is not important. What is important is finding a good woman who will not lie, not cheat, have great sex and have fun with you.

So why would someone want a non-pro?
- for the hunt/conquest? that seems to be juvenile but to each his own.
- for better sex? not in my book, for sex, I think experience counts, as well as finding a woman who will Listen to what you want and then perform that way.
- costs less? no, they cost way more.
- does not lie or cheat? well, the non-pro would probably be a safer bet to not lie or cheat. but some pros are also good women.

Some guys seem to be obsessed in finding a non-pro. I focus on finding one I can trust, live with, have fun with, converse with, talk about life and the future. and of course have great sex with!

BTW: I know ET and once you know him you read his posts in a different light. He sticks to facts, comments on his own personal experience but does tend to be quite frank. Personally he has helped me think things through when I have problems and issues with women and sex.

Beach Star
12-20-07, 00:07
I really don't understand the 'pro', 'non pro', 'semi pro' references. Off Road is correct, what your Brazil experience is about is finding the woman you want at the time you are looking whether for 10 minutes, 10 hours, 10 years or a lifetime.

There seems to be an assumption of superiority from the majority of posters, the assumption being that Brazilian women will always prefer foreigners, especially Americans. But, think, your main challenge in Brazil is Brazilian men. They are developed from the same gene pool as the women, as much as you all admire the sensuality of Brazilian women, so do Brazilian men. As much as you think you understand Brazilian women and their needs, Brazilian men have done since they were born. And brazilian men have the same attitude to sex as the women. They are not from a different tribe.

The current economic boom in Brazil does not help the poor people, but the middle class and the rich brazilians are getting richer each day. As a result the foreigners are paying less and the locals are paying more. There is a definite swing as far as the laddies preferences are concerned, because, at the end of the day, it's all about money.

Veterano
12-20-07, 00:59
Every gringo monger's fantasy!

Rio Joe
12-20-07, 02:19
Ever have this experience? Several times at Help I've tried making eye contact with GDPs only to get what I thought was a dirty look. There was one girl that it happened with night after night. Finally, I got the nerve to approach her. I absolutely expected her to blow me off. But we hit it off great.

Similar situation with another garota. After several nights of failing to make eye contact with her, I found myself standing by her at the bar closest to the main stairs. I spoke to her and she was as warm as could be. (Adorable girl; a ringer for Lil' Kim). I asked her why she'd ignored me until then. She said that she's very shy and she won't talk to someone unless they talk first. She'd lost plenty of business that way, she added, but she couldn't do much about her shyness.

Anyone ever have a similar experience at Help, where you think a girl is giving you a bad vibe, but she's just not comfortable with eye contact?

Thanos
12-20-07, 02:29
There are also threads about living in brazil, finances in brazil. All of which are related to sex in some way. I know I came here because the sex, weather and attitude of the brazilians.

For me pro or non-pro is not important. What is important is finding a good woman who will not lie, not cheat, have great sex and have fun with you.

So why would someone want a non-pro?

- for the hunt/conquest? That seems to be juvenile but to each his own.

- for better sex? Not in my book, for sex, I think experience counts, as well as finding a woman who will Listen to what you want and then perform that way.

- costs less? No, they cost way more.

- does not lie or cheat? Well, the non-pro would probably be a safer bet to not lie or cheat. But some pros are also good women.

Some guys seem to be obsessed in finding a non-pro. I focus on finding one I can trust, live with, have fun with, converse with, talk about life and the future. And of course have great sex with!

BTW: I know ET and once you know him you read his posts in a different light. He sticks to facts, comments on his own personal experience but does tend to be quite frank. Personally he has helped me think things through when I have problems and issues with women and sex. There are many reasons why guys would want a non-pro. Number one is having the peace of mind that you can at least think she hasn't been with 1000 other guys and she won't be with number 1001 as soon as you turn your back. If you're looking for a woman you can trust a gdp is definitely not the woman you want to choose. Gdps are good for fun and that's about it because in reality most gdps have a brazilian boyfriend or husband. Most of them don't even tell you their real name so as far as having a trusting, honest relationship. Forget it. Its not about a hunt or conquest. Its about being able to do normal things with a normal person. Better sex? Depends on the girl. I've been with non-pros who are better in bed than some of the pros I've been with. If you're just looking for a girl to order around in bed of course a pro will do anything your money can buy. Cost less? Again depends on the girl. If you find a non-pro with a decent job it will cost you almost nothing to be with her. True non-pros take the bus back and forth. They don't even want your cab money. Does not lie or cheat? Without a doubt the non-pro is the best bet. One of the job qualifications of a pro is to lie, cheat and squeeze as much money out of you as possible. Its true that too many guys are obsessed with finding a non-pro but I really don't think that's the problem. The problems start when guys aim too high. Of course everyone has self esteem but guys need to keep it real. If they are aiming for a hot, 20 something brasilierha guys need to take a look in the mirror and think to themselves; "Why is this girl attracted to me? " face it fellas. If you were 20 and handsome and had your pick of hundreds of women would you really settle down with the 50 plus year old fat woman? Or even a 50 plus year old good looking woman for that matter. Years of knocking slow pitch softballs out of the park have some guys thinking they are barry bonds when in reality they are more like some kid in single A ball. But when it comes to fun there is nothing like a gdp who can come over whenever you like as long as a better paying client isn't in town.

Viper10
12-20-07, 05:27
I had a question to all my experienced veterans. I am planning on coming to Rio Feb.6th or 7th, couple days after Carnival. Do you think this is a good time to come in terms of the quantity of chicas? Or will most of them have left, termas closed, etc? Thank you for your help.

Viper10

Thanos
12-20-07, 05:38
I had a question to all my experienced veterans. I am planning on coming to Rio Feb.6th or 7th, couple days after Carnival. Do you think this is a good time to come in terms of the quantity of chicas? Or will most of them have left, termas closed, etc? Thank you for your help.

Viper10Right after Carnaval is one of the best times for girls. the place should be packed with garotas yet most of the Carnaval tourists will have vacated. the weather should be good and everything will be open.

RonnyRon
12-20-07, 05:52
They come from all over Brazil and are usually there well after. Just remember pricing is at it premium right before, during and after Carnival.

RonnyRon

Sperto
12-20-07, 08:25
My view on advantages and disadvantages with brazilian non-pro's.

ADVANTAGES:
- Better sex: If she has a little bit of experience I think non-pro's often perform better than pro's, unless you have very specific requests. Instead of the porno-moaning you get GFE.
- Better looks: If you don't fancy the average favelada-look on many Copa-GP's, fake hair and giant spider-tattoos on their butts, the non-pro's look much better.
- Lower cost: Dinner at a decent restaurant, cinema, couple of chopp's and/or some gifts don't have to become expensive.
- Conquest: It might give you some satisfaction to finally bring the lovely girl to bed, the one you at first sight thought was impossible. A girl that doesn't count her ex-partners in numbers of hundreds.
- Trusting: With a non-pro you can sleep well without locking up all your cameras and hiding the key to the apartment.
- Company: If you stay in Brazil for a longer time you will not feel the urge for going out every night. Non-pro's provide good company. Chill out at home, making dinner, watch TV, go to the cinema, have fun and go out together with her friends.
- Conversations: It's nice to have intelligent conversations that goes beyond discussing how many clients she can do in one day. Also you will learn more Portuguese and get a better insight in the brazilian life.
- Combination. Just because you're seeing a non-pro doesn't mean that you've to stop P4P. If she got a fulltime work and maybe also studying in the evenings you will have plenty of opportunities to go for some daytime-action in Centro.

DISADVANTAGES:
- The jealousy and that they might become possessive.
- You need to have 10-year experience from CSI if you had GP's visiting your apartment the same day your regular GF is coming over. Changing cheets, towels, emptying waste-buckets, remove all hair left in the bathroom, remove lipstick-marks, changing memorycard in your camera and be a very good friend with your porteiro.

CONCLUSION:
The best situation is a combination of non-pro's and pro's.

George90
12-20-07, 16:37
I think this topic was discussed already in other threads.

As I remember, the general consensus was that there is really no distinction between the two groups of women. Men ALWAYS pay for sex/companionship with a woman. We pay the two groups of women in different ways and with different means, but we always pay nonetheless.

Thanos
12-20-07, 17:25
I think this topic was discussed already in other threads.

As I remember, the general consensus was that there is really no distinction between the two groups of women. Men ALWAYS pay for sex/companionship with a woman. We pay the two groups of women in different ways and with different means, but we always pay nonetheless.

I'd have to disagree that men always "pay" for sex/companionship. Of course nothing is free for the man or the woman and if you consider putting time into a relationship as payment then women pay more than men do because they devote much more time into their relationships. That's the difference between a gdp relationship and a regular girl relationship. With a regular girl its give and take (if you have the right girl). With a gdp she only takes. Yeah she provides sex (at an inflated rate) but she does the same or more with her brazilian boyfriend for free. A guy who can't see the vast difference between a gdp and a regular girl is in for a world of hurt because he's just setting himself up for a fleecing. Especially the gdps in brazil who are 100 times the pros that american prostitutes are. This is one of the biggest problems in Rio. Mongers treating gdps like regular girls. Some even going so far as to marry them! Its thrown the whole brazilian "ecosystem" if you will out of whack. For years brazilian men had a pecking order. It went like this:

Men, women, children, dogs, cars, and then gdps and its why gdps used to get paid next to nothing. Now SOME mongers have come along and like the guy in the movie {The 40 Year Old Virgin} "put the pussy on a pedastal". I mean there is paying and then there is PAYING. Hundreds of reals for an hour or two. Shopping trips for expensive clothes and jewelry. Marios restaraunt. Ipods, cell phones, laptops, plane tickets, Buzios, sending money via western union. Some guys have taken the paying thing to a whole new level.

Exec Talent
12-20-07, 19:00
- You need to have 10-year experience from CSI if you had GP's visiting your apartment the same day your regular GF is coming over. Changing cheets, towels, emptying waste-buckets, remove all hair left in the bathroom, remove lipstick-marks, changing memorycard in your camera and be a very good friend with your porteiro.


One thing I have learned is to NOT empty everything out of the garbage cans in the bathroom. An empty garbage can means you have cleaned up too well. You definitely have something to hide. Always leave something in the bathroom garbage. Trust me on this one.

Wonder if we sent in a suggestion they would consider it -- CSI Rio or GDP CSI.

El Austriaco
12-20-07, 19:18
And just when I thought that really nobody needed any more clarification that not every Brazilian woman is an oversexed creature from another planet that is just ripe for taking whenever you please, I come across a news story that is worth summarizing here for the benefit of the ISG community (full story at http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2007/12/20/327697969.asp):

Here's the gist of the story:

In January 2006, two Italian tourists, Angelo Simonetti and Ciro Bochetti, molested a sales associate at Shopping Rio Sul, Fernanda Maria Soares, by grabbing her from behind at the waist. When Fernanda, who was pregnant at the time, turned around in indignation, Bocchetti started to insult her by stating, in general terms, that Brazilian women were just no good. The tourists were held at the site of the inicident by security guards of the shopping center. Once they were taken to the police station, they offered the PM a bribe.

Today, they were sentenced.

In his ruling, the judge specified that the evidence indicates that the two Italians came to Brazil to engage in sex tourism.

"There are clear signs that they came, like so many others, to engage in sex tourism in Brazil, thinking that all Brazilian women, even pregnant ones, are available to them for whatever they want", the judge clarified.

Still according to the judge, Alcides Neto, the sentence of the two Italians should serve as a general warning to other foreign tourists to "show them and any other foreign tourists who come here with sex in mind that, yes, Brazilian women are sensual, pretty, and attractive, but not a merchandise to be groped at any store in a shopping center", he said.

So how much did the two guys get?

Simonetti: seven years in prison for a crime against public decency, plus six months due to the aggravating factor that the victim was pregnant. A fine in the amount of 10 daily rates was applied for active bribery.

Bochetti: two years in prison and a fine of 10 daily rates for active bribery.

Something to keep in mind when approaching regular Brazilian women, I guess, and food for thought for those who think that they can easily buy their way out of a situation like this by bribing the police. As you can see, the consequences may be dire, especially when you are in Brazil for sex, anyway. While engaging in P4P is certainly not illegal in Brazil, being identified or classified as a sex tourist sure doesn't help whenever or wherever the shit hits the fan.

So, as Austin Powers would say: Behave. I am also saying this as someone who remembers, for example, sitting in Meia Pataca many times where some mongers were just cat-calling and whistling at ANY regular woman who was walking by that place. Just remember that whatever is acceptable behavior at MP, Balcony, TA, Help, or the termas is one thing, and doing the same thing with regular women is an entirely different story.

EA

Lorenzo
12-20-07, 19:42
How much is "10 daily rates?" What does that mean, anyway? What is a "daily rate?"

Fascinating story to which everyone should take heed. Although these guys were clearly assholes and louts, I think the sentences are excessive by any civilized standard and are more like something you'd expect in a conservative Moslem country. I think 30 days and a hefty fine, say 5-10,000 euros, would have been sufficient. However, it should serve as a reminder to citizens of western democracies that the civil rights and liberties that apply in your own country cease to exist as soon as you leave your native soil.

L

El Austriaco
12-20-07, 19:51
How much is "10 daily rates?" What does that mean, anyway? What is a "daily rate?"

Fascinating story to which everyone should take heed. Although these guys were clearly assholes and louts, I think the sentences are excessive by any civilized standard and are more like something you'd expect in a conservative Moslem country. I think 30 days and a hefty fine, say 5-10,000 euros, would have been sufficient. However, it should serve as a reminder to citizens of western democracies that the civil rights and liberties that apply in your own country cease to exist as soon as you leave your native soil.

L
Though I am not sure, I assume that like in many other countries, it's based on the average/minimum salary in a specific location. Here in Mexico, I read stuff like this all the time, like penalty of 180 daily rates, meaning that if the violation occurred in Mexico City, it's based on the current minimum salary in effect for MC. In my experience, countries that have a high inflation rate prefer to establish fines that way rather than writing fixed minimum/maximum amounts into their legislation which might be totally out of line with economic realities pretty fast. Also, regional differences in wage/salary levels are taken into account, too.

On the other hand, it might also be based on the average salary of the perpetrator, to prevent poor people from getting impacted far worse than rich people for whom the fine might otherwise be nothing more than peanuts.

Would have to check Brazilian laws to figure it out for sure.

Hope this helps,

EA

Thanos
12-20-07, 19:59
And just when I thought that really nobody needed any more clarification that not every Brazilian woman is an oversexed creature from another planet that is just ripe for taking whenever you please, I come across a news story that is worth summarizing here for the benefit of the ISG community (full story at http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2007/12/20/327697969.asp):

Here's the gist of the story:

In January 2006, two Italian tourists, Angelo Simonetti and Ciro Bochetti, molested a sales associate at Shopping Rio Sul, Fernanda Maria Soares, by grabbing her from behind at the waist. When Fernanda, who was pregnant at the time, turned around in indignation, Bocchetti started to insult her by stating, in general terms, that Brazilian women were just no good. The tourists were held at the site of the inicident by security guards of the shopping center. Once they were taken to the police station, they offered the PM a bribe.

Today, they were sentenced.

In his ruling, the judge specified that the evidence indicates that the two Italians came to Brazil to engage in sex tourism.

"There are clear signs that they came, like so many others, to engage in sex tourism in Brazil, thinking that all Brazilian women, even pregnant ones, are available to them for whatever they want", the judge clarified.

Still according to the judge, Alcides Neto, the sentence of the two Italians should serve as a general warning to other foreign tourists to "show them and any other foreign tourists who come here with sex in mind that, yes, Brazilian women are sensual, pretty, and attractive, but not a merchandise to be groped at any store in a shopping center", he said.

So how much did the two guys get?

Simonetti: seven years in prison for a crime against public decency, plus six months due to the aggravating factor that the victim was pregnant. A fine in the amount of 10 daily rates was applied for active bribery.

Bochetti: two years in prison and a fine of 10 daily rates for active bribery.

Something to keep in mind when approaching regular Brazilian women, I guess, and food for thought for those who think that they can easily buy their way out of a situation like this by bribing the police. As you can see, the consequences may be dire, especially when you are in Brazil for sex, anyway. While engaging in P4P is certainly not illegal in Brazil, being identified or classified as a sex tourist sure doesn't help whenever or wherever the shit hits the fan.

So, as Austin Powers would say: Behave.

EAGood story and very relevant to all of the misperceptions being spread about brazilian women. Reminds me of a few years ago when I took a newbie over to Rio Sul to look around. He immediately fell in love with a cashier he spotted and proceeded to approach her and without warning ask for her phone number. No introduction. Nada. She just gave him the evil face and asked him if he was there to buy something. He left with his tail between his legs. The problem stems from ego. Too many guys come to brazil, have fun, do their thing and brag when they get home. Problem is they leave out one small detail. All of the sex they had was P4P. I just read one travelers recap on a vacation sight of his trip to Rio during the last Carnaval. He went on and on about the beautiful women and the clubs and how all of the women were approachable and easy to have sex with and not once did he mention P4P. At the end of the recap he provided pictures and every girl was either a Meia Pataca or Help girl. Hmmmm. I wonder why they were so easy? Problem is; guys are never going to return home and tell friends and family that all of the girls they dealt with were GDPs so they just perpetuate the myth that brazilian women are easy.

Ryjerrob
12-20-07, 20:13
Attempting to add a little variety to my trip, today after Portuguese class in Centro, armed with your map, and my personal cheap sheet, I headed out in search of fast fodas.

My first choice was based on proximity to the school where is located. So I headed NW on Avenida Marechal Floriano, and crossed over to Rua do Acre 120 (Number #13 on your list). At first I walked past, then doubled back, just in case I was being followed, yes followed. Not sure what I was thinking, but I little scared about being busted by the cheap bastard's police. So I headed up the winding stairs. They were lit by what seemed like a string of red xmas lights. They actually matched the decor, a little redish/pinkish. When I walked around a corner, I walked toward the woman at desk, I later realized she was the bartender. Wow, R$3 for a coke, at least it was ice cold.

Next I proceed into the room I had passed where I saw about 5 or 6 topless girls sitting and talking. Being unsure of what to do next, I walked farther inside, into another room, where I stood in front of a fan trying to collect my thoughts, and not appear too eager, or nervous. What happened next, totally shocked me. The worse looking girl I could imagine ever seeing half naked approached me and said let's go, but in Portuguese. At this sight, my fight or flight instincts took over. All I could think was, I want my mommy. This woman had almost scared the shit out of me, literally. I did politely tell her no thank you, and after finishing my coke, decided to try elsewhere.

As for the rating of this place by Sperto, it was where he pointed on on the map. It appeared clean on the surface, and didn't smell. You can't miss it from the outside. The sign has a big red heart on a pink background. It's what he said it was, I was just a little intimidated by all the inner beauty of the girls, but it is what it is.

Next stop, #11.


ryjer

Ryjerrob
12-20-07, 20:38
After leaving the first place, and having to talk with that, that, that Bigfoot, I headed a few miles, well, it seemed like miles because of the humidity, and heat. I made it there in about 20 minutes, but should have been 10. Ok, I got lost. Yeah, F*** me. I again walked past be fore entering. Ok, still not being followed.

I walk up the stairs and am greeted by a guy who hands me a drink card. Wow, upscale, I was excited now. Excited, not hard. I walk in, and stand a few minutes to take it all in. Did that sign just say we take credit cards, WTF. I make my way over to the bar, where the sign says R$5 for a skol, damn. I order one anyway. Now I'm trying to remember what the prices are. I don't dare pull out my cheat sheet in here.

So I basically slam a beer, and grab another one. Now there are about 8 girls walking around, and they seem, well, better looking. I see this girl walking towards me, and I thinking, I could totally hit that. Well, see walks past me towards the bar. Now keep in mind, it's about 2pm, I try not to be too obvious watching her, but I was interested, for all of about 2 minutes. There's this window to my right, and as she walks past, a ray of sun hits her ass in the most unflattering way. That tattoo on her ass, and, I hadn't see that much cottage cheese since, well, you figure it out. It was funny as hell.

It's one thing to wake up after a bender and realize you went hogging last night, but this was some sick shit. I saw a few groups of guys having a few beers like this was their local "cheers." I couldn't even finish the 2nd beer. I didn't see anything I was interested in. I did however, not need to call my mommy.

This place wasn't bad. It was just like it was described. I just didn't see anything I was will to !$#@. Tomorrow I am checking out numbers #6 and #7. Tonight I'm gonna hang with a girl I met in Centro at an insurance office. I went in to get directions after I became lost.

This is a cool show and tell project................

ryjer

Sperto
12-20-07, 22:08
No 6 and 7 on the map are R Buenos Aires 85 and 113. Visit them (I hope you enjoy narrow stairs), but don't expect any higher standard than those two you have already visited.

After visiting those two you can head to no 3 and 4, R da Carioca 40 and 59. A slightly better standard. On your way to no 3 and 4 you can take a quick look at no 5, R Uruguaiana 24.

Finally you can score at Av Rio Branco 156, several options (I heard some of them have moved/closed). This option will cost you a little bit more, but it's worth it.

When visiting those really low-end places you'll need luck to find a gem among all the dragons.

Good luck!

Helpmann
12-21-07, 01:43
So how much did the two guys get?

Simonetti: seven years in prison for a crime against public decency, plus six months due to the aggravating factor that the victim was pregnant. A fine in the amount of 10 daily rates was applied for active bribery.

Bochetti: two years in prison and a fine of 10 daily rates for active briberyGreat story and very informative!! It's good to know that the Brazilian judicial system is just as crooked and small-minded as the men and women who enforce the laws in that jungle. Welcome to the Third World!

7-years in a Brazilian jail for "copping a feel."

-Helpmann :rolleyes:

Thanos
12-21-07, 01:56
After leaving the first place, and having to talk with that, that, that Bigfoot, I headed a few miles, well, it seemed like miles because of the humidity, and heat. I made it there in about 20 minutes, but should have been 10. Ok, I got lost. Yeah, F*** me. I again walked past be fore entering. Ok, still not being followed.

I walk up the stairs and am greeted by a guy who hands me a drink card. Wow, upscale, I was excited now. Excited, not hard. I walk in, and stand a few minutes to take it all in. Did that sign just say we take credit cards, WTF. I make my way over to the bar, where the sign says R$5 for a skol, damn. I order one anyway. Now I'm trying to remember what the prices are. I don't dare pull out my cheat sheet in here.

So I basically slam a beer, and grab another one. Now there are about 8 girls walking around, and they seem, well, better looking. I see this girl walking towards me, and I thinking, I could totally hit that. Well, see walks past me towards the bar. Now keep in mind, it's about 2pm, I try not to be too obvious watching her, but I was interested, for all of about 2 minutes. There's this window to my right, and as she walks past, a ray of sun hits her ass in the most unflattering way. That tattoo on her ass, and, I hadn't see that much cottage cheese since, well, you figure it out. It was funny as hell.

It's one thing to wake up after a bender and realize you went hogging last night, but this was some sick shit. I saw a few groups of guys having a few beers like this was their local "cheers." I couldn't even finish the 2nd beer. I didn't see anything I was interested in. I did however, not need to call my mommy.

This place wasn't bad. It was just like it was described. I just didn't see anything I was will to !$#@. Tomorrow I am checking out numbers #6 and #7. Tonight I'm gonna hang with a girl I met in Centro at an insurance office. I went in to get directions after I became lost.

This is a cool show and tell project................

RyjerWhen you go to the 156 Rio branco building check out suites

506, 1619, 1825, 1833, 1706, 2114, 2622, 2328 and 3320 across the street at the 185 building check out suite 1829. Only 4 or 5 girls in each suite. Check them out one by one. If you like blondes check out a girl named Gaby 8253-4233. She's in a little massage spot 50 yards from the largo de machado metro stop. One of the best bodies and best sex you will experience.

Canuck9970
12-21-07, 02:38
Instead of condemning the Brasilian judicial system I actually think in this case they deserve applause!

A woman is at work and is sexually assaulted by two strangers. They then try to bribe their way out of the situation they created for themselves.

I believe that if this woman was our wife or significant other or even daughter then any of us would feel that their punishment was less than they deserved!

These two guys do not deserve sympathy and I am disgusted by anyone who believes that they do.

Thanos
12-21-07, 07:11
Instead of condemning the Brasilian judicial system I actually think in this case they deserve applause!

A woman is at work and is sexually assaulted by two strangers. They then try to bribe their way out of the situation they created for themselves.

I believe that if this woman was our wife or significant other or even daughter then any of us would feel that their punishment was less than they deserved!

These two guys do not deserve sympathy and I am disgusted by anyone who believes that they do.I agree. A pregnant woman at that. They got what they deserved.

Sperto
12-21-07, 07:39
Just remember that whatever is acceptable behavior at MP, Balcony, TA, Help, or the termas is one thing, and doing the same thing with regular women is an entirely different story. EA
Those are very important words.

Too many gringo-mongers goes to Brazil acting like they are kings and thinking that their spending of dollar/euro in a "third world country" is an excuse for behaving like assholes and that all women are for sale.

I can't say I feel sorry for these two Italian guys. Flirting is one thing, but grabbing a woman inside a shopping center is just to much. A pregnant woman, that's out of line. Put them in Bangu and see if they appreciate when strangers grab them.

The hard punishment might be a bit of politics. Punishing these gringos just before the real high season starts is a way of showing that Brazil don't appreciate sex tourism.

Watch your hands guys. Flirting is OK, but leave the grabbing inside Help.

I think the brazilians are borned with a special flirting gene. If a beautiful girl passes on the street just about every man from 10-90 years flirt with her. The old guy with the walkingstick, the police, the busdriver and sometimes even the dogs on the street.

They have made flirting into an art. Everything from the simple "psiu" and "gostosa" to the more advanced cantadas telling the girl how devine she is.

Alex Deuce
12-21-07, 08:31
those are very important words.

too many gringo-mongers goes to brazil acting like they are kings and thinking that their spending of dollar/euro in a "third world country" is an excuse for behaving like assholes and that all women are for sale.

i can't say i feel sorry for these two italian guys. flirting is one thing, but grabbing a woman inside a shopping center is just to much. a pregnant woman, that's out of line. put them in bangu and see if they appreciate when strangers grab them.

the hard punishment might be a bit of politics. punishing these gringos just before the real high season starts is a way of showing that brazil don't appreciate sex tourism.

watch your hands guys. flirting is ok, but leave the grabbing inside help.

i think the brazilians are borned with a special flirting gene. if a beautiful girl passes on the street just about every man from 10-90 years flirt with her. the old guy with the walkingstick, the police, the busdriver and sometimes even the dogs on the street.

they have made flirting into an art. everything from the simple "psiu" and "gostosa" to the more advanced cantadas telling the girl how devine she is.


only gringos i ever seen get into trouble have been about two things; **** women and grabbing a woman. i have seen in mp, a monger grab and physically shake a gdp cause she did not do this nor that. i watched 10 minutes latter as a group of flavela boys beat the living shit out of him. turn out his pockets and leave him for the him for dead. i have actually come in between several mongers grabbing on women and in one instance had to tune one of them up.

two men fighting in brazil law is like old us law and considered a fracas (ie mutual combat) a man (especially a foreigner) regardless if she hit you first or not will be considered assault. you will spending time in jail before deportation ( unless she is your wife,or common law partner)

basically keep your hands off the locals unless you fucking!

Rio Joe
12-21-07, 08:34
Good story and very relevant to all of the misperceptions being spread about brazilian women. It's also a reminder that there are honest cops in Brazil who have no interest in bribes.

JohnnyBraz
12-21-07, 08:34
I had a question to all my experienced veterans. I am planning on coming to Rio Feb.6th or 7th, couple days after Carnival. Do you think this is a good time to come in terms of the quantity of chicas? Or will most of them have left, termas closed, etc? Thank you for your help.

Viper10I always choose my 3 weeks in summer there always straight after carnival, for the fact you have the best off brazilian women there. Alot off them can't stand the. Tempretures in winter in europe, so they return to there home land for the summer there. Everything dies dowm after carnival. So the real summer begins. Prices are still high though. But negotiate. But for value for money in the high season you can't beat straight after carnival. Good luck mate. Just remember negotiate. And be respectful also. And you will be fine.

Rio Joe
12-21-07, 11:54
Instead of condemning the Brasilian judicial system I actually think in this case they deserve applause!
I've been rightly criticized here for not drawing enough of a distinction in my magazine articles between mongering overall and crimes like child sex-tourism and [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). But in the same vein, isn't the judge who convicted the Italian tourists getting too much of a free pass?

He was right to convict those two *******es for harassing the saleswoman, and for attempted bribery. But he had absolutely no right to use the case as a platform against sex tourists in general. The convictions had nothing to do with foreigners having consensual sex with Brazilian prostitutes. Moreover, the substance of the case had nothing to do with where the two morons came from, or their main reason for being in Rio. A Brazilian would (or should!) face exactly the same charges for assaulting a woman, then trying to bribe his way out of it.

The judge helped to clear up a negative image of Brazilian women as purely sexual creatures who only exist to satisfy men's desires. He could have left it at that. But instead, he went out of his way to reinforce the worst stereotypes about mongers. I doubt that anyone here goes running into Bob's or H Stern's and fondles the female employees. If anything like that happened on a regular basis, cariocas would rise up en masse and chase all our bundas out of town.

What the judge did was outrageous. We shouldn't be lumped in with those two morons.

Helpmann
12-21-07, 13:34
Maybe this sex board if just full of gentleman and "Captain Save a Hos," but I think you guys are missing the BIG PICTURE. They'll DIE THERE!

Seven years in some AIDS invested Brazilian prison sounds like a death sentence to me.

1. Do you think Italians are being sent to prison for 7-years in their own country for "copping a feel?"
2. Do you think Brazilians are being sent to prison for 7-years for "copping a feel" of a sales clerk? (It's almost laughable, if it wasn't already happening to foreigners)

The sentence these guys received is absurd and was motivated by ultra-nationalism and hate of Westerners.

BTW: There are "honest" cops in Brazil; however, they don't work for you. They work for Brazilians.

-Helpmann :(

Thanos
12-21-07, 18:28
I've been rightly criticized here for not drawing enough of a distinction in my magazine articles between mongering overall and crimes like child sex-tourism and [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). But in the same vein, isn't the judge who convicted the Italian tourists getting too much of a free pass?

He was right to convict those two *******es for harassing the saleswoman, and for attempted bribery. But he had absolutely no right to use the case as a platform against sex tourists in general. The convictions had nothing to do with foreigners having consensual sex with Brazilian prostitutes. Moreover, the substance of the case had nothing to do with where the two morons came from, or their main reason for being in Rio. A Brazilian would (or should!) face exactly the same charges for assaulting a woman, then trying to bribe his way out of it.

The judge helped to clear up a negative image of Brazilian women as purely sexual creatures who only exist to satisfy men's desires. He could have left it at that. But instead, he went out of his way to reinforce the worst stereotypes about mongers. I doubt that anyone here goes running into Bob's or H Stern's and fondles the female employees. If anything like that happened on a regular basis, cariocas would rise up en masse and chase all our bundas out of town.

What the judge did was outrageous. We shouldn't be lumped in with those two morons.But what we are overlooking here is the underlying notion that if they could; they would throw all mongers in jail for seven years. Guys think that the brazilians love us because they take the millions of dollars that sex tourism brings in with a big smile on their face and a samba shake in their hips. While we all make some genuine brazilian friends along the way I can almost guarantee that just as mongers would get no love from the gdps if they showed up empty handed they would also get no love from regular cariocas if it weren't for the dollars that mongering brings to copa. There's a difference between being welcome and being tolerated. Mongers are tolerated plain and simple because mongers have fattened the wallet of many a brazilian. In a way the regular cariocas have taken on the same attitude of the gdps. No girl really wants some stranger three times her age sweating all over her but they do it for the money. Its the same with regular cariocas who don't really want gdps running in and out of their buildings all the time. (it sure wouldn't be happening if not for the mongers) but they allow it for the money. Just as the two italians had the misperception that all brazilian women are easy and don't mind being groped most mongers share the misperception that the vast majority of brazilians are ok with them doing what they do.

Thanos
12-21-07, 18:39
Maybe this sex board if just full of gentleman and "Captain Save a Hos," but I think you guys are missing the BIG PICTURE. They'll DIE THERE!

Seven years in some AIDS invested Brazilian prison sounds like a death sentence to me.

1. Do you think Italians are being sent to prison for 7-years in their own country for "copping a feel?"
2. Do you think Brazilians are being sent to prison for 7-years for "copping a feel" of a sales clerk? (It's almost laughable, if it wasn't already happening to foreigners)

The sentence these guys received is absurd and was motivated by ultra-nationalism and hate of Westerners.

BTW: There are "honest" cops in Brazil; however, they don't work for you. They work for Brazilians.

-Helpmann :(First of all this was a normal, pregnant woman working in a department store. No different than your wife, sister, aunt or mother and she deserves the same respect. Do I think italians are being sent to jail for seven years for copping a feel in italy? No. Because they wouldn't be that stupid or bold or disrespectful with their own women because in their own country her husband or boyfriend might cause them bodily harm or kill them. Too many guys come to brazil and think they're in a petting zoo because they deal with gdps 99% of the time. And a brazilian would never be so stupid as to do something like this. Don't worry. Depending on how much money they have they'll be ok. Prison in brazil is just like on the outside. If you have money you can get just about anything.

Jan 156
12-21-07, 19:46
Seven years sounds a lot but there are reasons probable, even allowing for the fact that the legal system is not as evolved as those in the west. Grabbing a woman's a** is a not uncommon part of Italian culture. It isn't part of Brasilian culture. Italy doesn't have the amount of GDPs that Brasil does. Women, especialy those in Copa and nearby, have to fight tooth and claw to differentiate themselves from p4p girls. They are entitled to maybe a bit more support. In countries where women get mistaken for pros because they are walking home near a red light district, the law is often a bit harsher on kerb-crawlers - again, it's supporting the women, responding to complaints. It comes down to acting in what they perceive to be the public interest, not what is 'reasonable'. A lighter sentence would probably not even have been reported. The courts are trying to make a point. My guess is it will be heard. The dumb Italian behind bars is being made an example of. I'm not supporting the sentence, just trying to see how the law sees it. And since I hate tourists who impose their culture rudely on people in Brasil, whether it is Americans (or sometimes even Europeans) who talk loudly in public (ie loud enough for me to hear what you are saying when it is not addressed directly to me), or Italians who treat their own women (IMHO) abominaby very often and bring the same manners to Brasil and, since I don't know the guy personally, I'm not shedding tears even if I do think he got a tough deal.

Lorenzo
12-21-07, 20:05
these two guys do not deserve sympathy and i am disgusted by anyone who believes that they do.
i don't think that anyone on this thread has said that these louts deserve sympathy. the issue is very simple, i.e. was the sentence was proportionate to the offense? a secondary issue is, were they were singled out for a harsh sentence because they were gringos? i think the answers to these two questions are, respectively, no and yes.

the disproportionality of the sentences is obvious when you consider that murderers, [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127), arsonists, etc., all have served considerably less time than 7 years. (i don't know if this is true in brazil, but it certainly is in many of the western democracies.) moreover, nobody was physically harmed by what they did--emotionally, probably yes, but physically no. my personal opinion is that jails and prisons should be reserved for violent criminals, and assholes like these two should be dealt with otherwise--community service, stiff fines, etc.

i have no sympathy with these guys whatsoever. i have never put my hands on a woman, brazilian or otherwise, without being invited, explicitly or implicitly, to do so, and i think that unwanted touching should be punished. but let the punishment fit the crime.

hmmmmm...i just thought of an appropriate sentence for these guys. make them go into a gay bar every night for 30 days and subject them to all the fondling the bar customers want to do, without being allowed to fight them off. then impose a stiff fine and deport them.

l

Thanos
12-21-07, 20:31
i don't think that anyone on this thread has said that these louts deserve sympathy. the issue is very simple, i.e. was the sentence was proportionate to the offense? a secondary issue is, were they were singled out for a harsh sentence because they were gringos? i think the answers to these two questions are, respectively, no and yes.

the disproportionality of the sentences is obvious when you consider that murderers, [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127), arsonists, etc., all have served considerably less time than 7 years. (i don't know if this is true in brazil, but it certainly is in many of the western democracies.) moreover, nobody was physically harmed by what they did--emotionally, probably yes, but physically no. my personal opinion is that jails and prisons should be reserved for violent criminals, and assholes like these two should be dealt with otherwise--community service, stiff fines, etc.

i have no sympathy with these guys whatsoever. i have never put my hands on a woman, brazilian or otherwise, without being invited, explicitly or implicitly, to do so, and i think that unwanted touching should be punished. but let the punishment fit the crime.

hmmmmm...i just thought of an appropriate sentence for these guys. make them go into a gay bar every night for 30 days and subject them to all the fondling the bar customers want to do, without being allowed to fight them off. then impose a stiff fine and deport them.

lthese guys brought it on themselves. not only did they grope the woman but instead of showing remorse for what they did and apologizing to her after being arrested they attempted to bribe the police and insulted all brazilian police by basically saying; "i know you're all on the take so here's some money. now look the other way while i grope some more of your women". your sentence for them is appropriate and where they're going they will be subjected to plenty of fondling and it won't matter if they fight or not. and about that stiff fine you mentioned. they may get that as well.

El Austriaco
12-21-07, 21:29
they'll die there!

seven years in some aids invested brazilian prison sounds like a death sentence to me.
i just reread the story again, and there's nothing in there that says that the guys are currently in a brazilian jail. as a matter of fact, based on the reader comments on this story at o globo, the brazilian readers are just as curious as to where the two guys actually are. the actual story specifies that the two also failed to notify the court of their address in brazil and turn in their passports by the established deadline, and their lawyers disappeared during the proceedings. but based on such scant information, my best guess would be that they actually took off, returned to italy, and in all likelihood, they were judged in absentia. in that case, as long as they don't get extradited to brazil or jailed in italy (assuming that they won't be stupid enough to return to brazil on their own), i guess they would have preciously little to fear.


the issue is very simple, i.e. was the sentence was proportionate to the offense? a secondary issue is, were they were singled out for a harsh sentence because they were gringos? i think the answers to these two questions are, respectively, no and yes.
i agree. punishment should be commensurate with the crime, and while there is no way to justify, excuse or condone what they did, seven years just seems way out of line for me, too.

what is truly amazing for me, however, is how the judge could use the "sex tourism" slant as a basis for such a harsh ruling, considering that

1. "sex tourism" is a sociological term entirely devoid of any legal meaning or definition, and
2. even if these two guys actually engaged in "sex tourism", it would still be entirely irrelevant since p4p is perfectly legal in brazil.

i mean, it's like getting caught speeding on a dutch highway, and although you are not dui whatsoever, the judge puts your sorry ass in jail for a few years just because he believes you went to amsterdam to smoke pot, despite the fact that this is perfectly in line with dutch laws :)

still, this ruling is a stern reminder in terms of the general public's totally skewed perception of what most mongers are and what what mongers do.


i just read one travelers recap on a vacation sight of his trip to rio during the last carnaval. he went on and on about the beautiful women and the clubs and how all of the women were approachable and easy to have sex with and not once did he mention p4p. at the end of the recap he provided pictures and every girl was either a meia pataca or help girl. hmmmm. i wonder why they were so easy? problem is; guys are never going to return home and tell friends and family that all of the girls they dealt with were gdps so they just perpetuate the myth that brazilian women are easy.
truer words have never been spoken. i also can't remember how many times i have read and heard that same bs over and over again.

ea

Thanos
12-21-07, 21:44
I've been rightly criticized here for not drawing enough of a distinction in my magazine articles between mongering overall and crimes like child sex-tourism and [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). But in the same vein, isn't the judge who convicted the Italian tourists getting too much of a free pass?

He was right to convict those two *******es for harassing the saleswoman, and for attempted bribery. But he had absolutely no right to use the case as a platform against sex tourists in general. The convictions had nothing to do with foreigners having consensual sex with Brazilian prostitutes. Moreover, the substance of the case had nothing to do with where the two morons came from, or their main reason for being in Rio. A Brazilian would (or should!) face exactly the same charges for assaulting a woman, then trying to bribe his way out of it.

The judge helped to clear up a negative image of Brazilian women as purely sexual creatures who only exist to satisfy men's desires. He could have left it at that. But instead, he went out of his way to reinforce the worst stereotypes about mongers. I doubt that anyone here goes running into Bob's or H Stern's and fondles the female employees. If anything like that happened on a regular basis, cariocas would rise up en masse and chase all our bundas out of town.

What the judge did was outrageous. We shouldn't be lumped in with those two morons. Every foreign monger is lumped together. Why? Because brazilians aren't stupid or naive. Foreign mongers act as if they invented mongering but brazilians have been doing it for centuries. The judge who sentenced these guys knows what mongering is all about. He may know of more termases than all of us put together, but the difference is that brazilians have grown up with the nudity, sexy dancing, sexy clothes, termases, massage parlors, clubs and GDPs. They don't go crazy like foreign mongers because they are used to the sexy women and big bundas. While brazilian men sit back in the termas sipping their skols and trolling for phone numbers foreign mongers whoop and holler like they've never seen a naked woman. We see it all the time with guys fighting over GDPs. Guys claiming GDPs as "my girl". If foreign mongers were cool about it the way brazilians are they wouldn't have the bad reputations that they have but the judge knows that what causes guys like the two italians in this story to act the way they did is a boldness that grows from living an almost puritan life in their country and then coming to brazil and dealing with 99% gdps. Guys flip out and the distinct line between the monger life and the normal life gets blurrier and blurrier for alot of them.

El Austriaco
12-21-07, 21:55
On a lighter note, has someone caught on to the irony that the last name of one of the Italians, Ciro Bochetti, was most likely pronounced like.. well... you know... boquete in Brazil? Can't have helped him, either :)

EA

Thanos
12-21-07, 23:10
{What is truly amazing for me, however, is how the judge could use the "sex tourism" slant as a basis for such a harsh ruling, considering that

1. "Sex tourism" is a sociological term entirely devoid of any legal meaning or definition, and

2. Even if these two guys actually engaged in "sex tourism", it would still be entirely irrelevant since P4P is perfectly legal in Brazil. }

While P4P is perfectly legal that refers to BRAZILIANS paying for play.

Sex tourism refers to thousands of foreigners flying to brazil for the explicit purpose of engaging in sex. Not necesarrily p4p and not always with adults. Sexual tourism stems from guys believing the myths that brazilian women are laying around naked just begging to be taken by a foreigner. Guys don't go to Rio because p4p is legal or even with P4P in mind. As a matter of fact many new guys I speak to don't even realize the p4p situation exist. I can't count the numbers of guys who didn't realize until late in the night that the first girl they met in Help actually wanted money. Guys go to Rio because they think they'll engage in some easy free sex (ie sexual tourism). One very popular travel agency run by an american in Rio had a section on its website giving addresses to termases. The brazilian police showed up and made the agency remove the addresses to the termases. When asked why by the american owner he was told; "Because termases are a brazilian tradition, not an american tradition". I know another american who was refused a visa for awhile because the brazilian authorities surmised from his many passport stamps that he was engaging in sexual tourism. Its like this. If your city in wherever USA allowed P4P they would be doing it with only the residents of that city in mind. If word got out that ABC city had legalized p4p and the city was suddenly over run by wild, sometimes out of control foreigners the founding fathers would have a problem and so would most of the residents. Rio and Copa in general was originally set up as the playground for wealthy brazilians and royalty from other countries.

Brazilans don't see P4P as a problem because as long as it was only brazilians they didn't have the problems that they now associate with Sexual Tourism. This is why they see them as two differnt things.

Ma Ma Monkey
12-22-07, 01:23
introduction

thanks to jackson for the great resource, without this forum i would be stuck in overpriced escort hell. i feel the whole world is available for fun. reading this forum makes it feel like i have already been to every new place i go to, everything is like it has been described, i feel like a local.

thanks to bubba boy for his great guide, sperto for his maps, and all the posters who share their tips. having used this forum to plan trips to pop, sdq, sxm, aua, cur, bcn, ams, mnl, crk, ceb, hnl, i’ve been feeling guilty, it was more than time to contribute something back.

day 1, saturday

arrived. went up to third floor, used bofa card at banco do brasil atm, no problem. surprised my sprint phone works, digital roam, got text message telling me how to call usa, i didn't make any calls, but i'm sure it's expensive. went down to the first floor, took the real omnibus r$6 to the to my hotel, had a printout to show the address for my hotel. guy loading luggage under the bus spoke english. told me to show the driver the address, showed it to him, guy was yelling that it was my stop, but i didn’t understand. couple of blocks later i see some street names i recognized. oops, realize i went passed my stop. i get the driver to pull over. had to walk back about five blocks, luckily i pack light. should have familiarized myself better with the hotel location before i got there. stayed in the florida hotel, us$107, hotels.com, didn't seem guest friendly, but i didn't check, had some sign behind the desk about prostitution that i couldn't read. took a nap for a couple hours, didn’t sleep too well on the plane.

walked to flamengo beach, was not much going on there, not too crowded. headed back to the hotel then took a taxi to l'uomo, driver didn’t understand me, good thing i had the address written down on a piece of paper, r$20. walked around the mall for while, had a hard time finding the entrance. i forgot it was on the second floor, in the front. changed into my robe, went into the boite, surprised at how it was small inside. picked lana, 24 years old, a skinny morena, nice first session, i like the terma experience, laid back atmosphere, girls dancing, couch action. good times. 40 mins + drink r$286

day 2, sunday

moved to hotel atlantico copacabana for rest of the trip. us$83 a night, hotels.com, key-based safe r$6 a day, ask for key at the front desk when you check in. i hate safes with keys, just another thing to keep track of. bring your travel alarm, no clock in room. explored neighborhood then hit the beach. never seen so many thongs in my life. surf was kind of rough, knocked you around when swimming.

went to the office sports bar to watch my pats play the steelers. the picture was fuzzy, it was being streamed over the internet on a slingbox, and there were problems with their connectivity. the guy had to fix it 4 times, it took like 3-10 minutes to fix each time. 4 beers + game fee + service, r$26

walked to help at 12:30 am. probably a mistake to walk, but i walked at high speed, zigzagging all the way. some sketchy dudes out, but i didn't feel totally unsafe. been more afraid in parts of n. y. and l. a. r$33 entrance r$7 cocktails. pretty big, dance floor was kind of empty when i got there, but filled up later.

hooked up with a short-haired mulata, aline, 21 years old, negotiated r$200 for all night, got back to the room, started action, got naked, then she was like give me my money. i said tomorrow when you leave, she was whining, i want it now, i said again tomorrow, she gave me this annoyed look, so i started to get dressed and told her to leave. this got her to calm down, then she was like no problem. went at it for a couple hours, then the whining starts again, she was making up excuses, like i'm sick and i have a headache. i was in no mood for it, so i said i'm giving only r$150 you didn't stay all night and she said no problem. well, that was a lot easier than i thought it was going to be. she leaves. now, having thought that i properly guest-proofed my room before i went out, i properly secured all of my things but i didn't even think about the mini bar, i walked by to see that she cleaned out half of it, 8 bottles gone, all of the whisky and rum. that was a r$130 mistake, that's why she had no problem taking less money. she wanted to get out of there before i noticed. at least, i didn't give her the full amount she asked. and the session was good, so that took away a little of the sting. but she had given me her phone number earlier in the night, so i was tempted to call her, but i thought it wasn't worth the drama. she ended up costing herself a lot more money because i was definitely going call her, because i liked her. i’ve never liked freelancers for tln, no accountability and they usually flake, the only tln that have been good experiences for me are those that have been girls that i have bar-fined. they don’t hassle you when there is someone to complain to.

day 3, monday

got up, hit the beach again, in front of the copacabana palace, there were two topless girls, only ones i saw all week, they were blondes, from their looks i would guess scandinavian. lingered around in front of help, just to see what kind of talent was available for day action. didn't find anything i was interested in. 7:30 p. m. took metro from siqueira campos to uruguaiana, 16-25 mins, r$2. 40 each way, stand near the right side doors, trains gets crowded at all hours of the evening, can be hard to get out if you are not close to the door. get back to train before midnight, before 11 p. m. on sundays.

headed to quattro por quattro (4x4), was packed, a bit of a sausage-fest, guys with their robe tops down. picked a fake loira, milena, 21-24ish, greek available, pse experience, she rocked my world, after 2nd pop i was wrecked, but she wasn't satisfied, she wanted more. she worked her magic and thanks to the vitamin v, we went for round 3. 60 mins + drink r$230

day 4, tuesday

walked down to ipanema. lots of sights. also lots of guys kicking the soccer balls around, you got to watch yourself, they don't pay attention to what’s around when they are going for the ball. almost got run over a couple of times. checked email on way back to the hotel at place on avenue atlantico, r$1 for ten minutes. got a fraud alert from my bank. turns out they froze my card for unusual activity. had client manager take care of it. if you have bofa card i would call them before your trip to make a note in your account giving the dates of your trip so they don't freeze your account. lucky i checked my email because i was running out of cash, so if i had gone to the atm and it wasn't working i would have been annoyed.

headed back to 4x4, crowded again, picked another loira, sher, 28 years old, a little older than i usually like, but she had a good attitude. expert bbbj, almost too good. 60 mins r$220

day 5, wednesday

got up, walked to pao de acucar, took cable car up r$35, nice view of corcovado, but it was obscured by clouds most of the time. while i was at the top, a storm rolled in, thunder and lightning, you could feel the electricity in the air from the lightning. they stopped the cable cars. so i was stuck at the top for 45 mins in the rain with not much cover. i had to go down to stand near the rest rooms. all of the other buildings were packed.

decided to get an earlier start tonight. i've been off pace, i usually like to do 2 girls a day on vacation but up to this point i've been only doing 1 a day. partly because i've been sightseeing more than usual, and partly because i really needed this vacation to relax.

headed over to terma 502, was packed, looked like i was the only tourist, less girls than 4x4 but there were 4 or 5 that were worth a look. picked isadora, 28-30ish, a little older and had a bit of a gut, but she was fun, had a good attitude and worked hard. this place was a little different. no robes, they gave you swipe card for drinks, and you had to pay for the session before you went up to the room. r$112 for 60 mins, then after the session on the way out you had to pay your entrance fee and drinks. r$15, 2 maybe 3 beers were included but they charged extra for cocktails it seemed. great value here.

after 502 headed over to 4x4, repeated with milena, don't normally like to repeat but it was packed and i was more interested in a guaranteed good time, and it was getting late so i didn't want to spend time screening. 60 min r$220

day 6, thursday

lousy weather, cloudy and raining. decided to get an even earlier start 2 p. m. , decide to check out the cheap casas, first stop uruguaiana 24, not much going on here, 12-15 girls, 2 maybe worth considering. next head over to buenos aires 113, nothing going on here only 2 girls.

then headed over to buenos aires 85. went up the spiral stairs of death, had to look up to see if people were coming down. stopped every floor on the way up 4 or 5 girls per floor, not much worth a look, found one i liked enough, short haired morena, 15 mins + condom r$18, lowest cost bang of my life. did her half standing. bring a handi wipe for clean up, only a roll of toilet paper available, not very clean but not totally disgusting, for the price what can you expect. no gfe here, hj to get you going, cbj then down to business. as a quickie, it was not bad.

headed over to 4x4 to get a session in before 5 p. m. and get the entry discount. less crowded than at night but still busy, music was not as loud, which was nice for conversation. picked a morena, nathalia, 21 years old, she was super fit, perfect body, nice curves, extra long hair down to her ass, she was sweet and passionate. i was in love, would have married her on the spot. 60 mins + drink r$180.

day 7, friday

more rain, decided to get another early start, headed back to buenos aires 85, picked a long haired, fake loira, started banging her half standing up, then flipped her, so she is doggy on the bed and i'm standing. but when she flipped over i get this whiff of her ass and vag. something down there was stinking. so i finished up as fast as i could. 20 mins + condom r$26

walked around a little, went to travessa do ouvidor 37, not much going on there, 3 or 4 girls. went over to terma cancun to get in another pre 5 p. m. session. i was the only guy in there at 4:30. really nice decor, you can tell it's new. picked a cute, super petite morena, palomo, 23 years old, another excellent bbbj, super technique. 60 min + drink r$195

still not ready to call it a night, walk around a little more, get some dinner and check out some regular bars, lots of people out. getting late so head over to terma 502. it was packed. dudes were groping the girls all over the place. they were rubbing the chicks who were dancing on the little stages, some dudes were trying get a little finger action, the chicks were pissed and yelling, but i was surprised there was no security there to bust skulls.

picked a morena, lana, 23-25ish, 60 mins r$182, i guess on friday nights it's more expensive. went upstairs, no rooms available so we got what seemed like a super suite, dome ceiling ten feet high. never got a phone call so session was seeming to be long, so she went downstairs to ask the person who checked us in how much time was left, she said she forget to call and we were over. so got a extra 20 mins, bonus. r$15 entrance and drinks.

day 8, saturday

hit the beach for a little while, then off for more sightseeing, headed up to lapa. looking for some samba place, i was probably too early, not much going on, and the area was a little sketchy, narrow streets and dudes giving me looks, so i got out of there.

headed over to monte carlo. drinks there were the smallest i had at any place i went all week. there was this crazy loira who seemed to be sitting with another guy, then she came over and was grinding me while i was sitting at the bar. then she would go back to the other dude. so i looked around and found a morena, vanessa, 23 years old, very petite, good session but too short. there were no suites available and it was the end of the night so only got a 40-minute session. i find 40 mins is not enough time. 40 mins + 2 drinks r$274

day 9, sunday

last day, got up, checked out. had the hotel hold my bag, no charge. corcovado was finally not obscured by clouds, like it was for the last four days. headed up to the take trem. line is long, there are mechanical problems with the trem, it is not running. shared a taxi to the top. driver was crazy, passing people on the way up and the way down. cost was r$36, gave him a r$50 for the fast driving, because i was definitely time limited.

went back to monte carlo, looking for the crazy loira from the night before, to session with her. she is not there, i'm bummed. found a fit mulata, monica, 21-24ish, again no suite available. 40 min + drink r$274

head over to l'uomo for one last hurrah. picked another mulata, ingrid 22-25ish, very passionate, very nice last session before it was time to go. 60 min + drink r$384. walked back to the hotel to pick up my bag. and jumped in a taxi to the airport. r$60, probably overpaid but i was in a hurry and the guy drove fast.

conclusion

enjoyable first trip to the southern hemisphere, goal of banging on every continent 4/7th complete. had a good time in brazil, the chicks were all as advertised. i felt like they were genuinely trying to enjoy themselves during the session. didn't get any bad performers. some better than others, but all gave a good and honest effort.

wish i would have gone sooner but i was deterred because of the safety situation and language barrier. safety situation was definitely not as bad as i thought it would be, but also, i was hyper-vigilant, i didn't drink as much as i normally would have, was never drunk all week. and i was much more aware of my surroundings, didn't explore as much as i would have liked, took cabs more than i normally would have. language barrier was definitely high. even with the phrase book, i was not really understood, my pronunciation was horrible. found i got best results writing down everything i wanted. should have done more of the pimsleur mp3s, only got to number 10. i think with more language knowledge, trip would have been more enjoyable.

hotel atlantico copacabana was an acceptable hotel, nothing great but i had a room in the back, which was quiet and dark, ac worked well. maids were a little loud in the morning, you could hear them talking in the hall. location was good, next to metro and l’uomo, while being close to the beach.

all in all, a fun trip, look forward to returning.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Rio Joe
12-22-07, 03:44
The sentence these guys received is absurd and was motivated by ultra-nationalism and hate of Westerners.I agree that the sentence seems out of whack with the crime.

But I'm not sure about the ultra-nationalism/hate of westerners part. Brazil is not known as a hotbed of jingoism. However, as its role on the world stage grows (oil, etc.), no doubt its national pride will grow too.

Also, wouldn't hate of westerners more likely manifest itself against Americans? (To be anal, I think you mean western "1st worlders" or something like that, right?) As an American, I'm not happy to say this, but it seems that much of the world's antipathy these days is focused on the U.S. Italy hardly shows up as a blip on the geopolitical radar. (Apologies to any Italians reading this. I don't mean it as a put-down, just a fact of modern politics. I'm an ardent admirer of Italian culture, and I regard Italy as the wellspring of western civilization's cornerstone--the Roman Empire.)

Main lesson in this whole business: Even Paradise (i.e., Brazil) is filled with quicksand. Sempre cuidado. Always watch your step. Respect everyone there, and keep your baser impulses in check.

Thanos
12-22-07, 03:59
I don't know if anyone on this forum actually goes to Centaurus anymore. I think I've gone three times in fifteen years but I'm sure everyone knows that they are by far the most expensive termas in Copa and maybe in Rio for that matter. Anyway they've outdone themselves and totally changed the rules of the game. No more 40 minute sessions! Sessions now start at 60 minutes and the minimum price is now a whopping 400R and that's before you sip your first drink. Of course the girls are all crying about no americanos and rightfully so although my friend who did go said the talent level was back up to the level of a couple years ago.

Sprite13
12-22-07, 07:19
As usual, I agree with Sperto. Considering that this site is NOT exclusively about P4P, I think it's perfectly legitimate to provide first-hand information about meeting and picking up non-pros. After all, the fact that most of us on this site engage in P4P doesn't preclude us from going after regular women, too.

As a matter of fact, considering that there are quite a bit of myths out there about regular Brazilian women (a la "just go to Rio, women will just spread their legs at the sight of a gringo" or "Brazilian women are the easiest to bed anywhere in the world"), it doesn't surprise me that people come onto this board questioning why anyone would even want/have to pay for sex in Brazil, especially when they are relatively young, in shape, and good-looking. I remember that months ago, there was a guy who was seriously thinking that it was realistic for him to just go to Brazil for the first time without speaking a lick of Portuguese and quickly find an English-speaking, educated, upper-crust model-type stunner! IMHO, these misconceptions and outlandish expectations deserve to be addressed on this board... for the benefit of all of its members that may be inclined to go down the same road.

Anyone else think that there should be a special section in the Brazil forum, like "Non-Pros"? Personally, I do hope that the next update of Bubba's Guide will include a special section on how to deal with and what to expect from non-pros in Brazil. That way, we might be able to reduce the number of people regurgitating the same repetitive questions (and answers) over and over again. I also believe that we have a lot of collective brainpower and years of experience here that we can put to good use in conclusively addressing non-pro-related issues: Sperto certainly would have a lot to say, Rio Bob has dated regular women, Bubba Boy has, ET has, and too many others as well that will forgive me for not mentioning them by name here.

EA

I also agree that a section dedicated to just non-pro girls would be welcomed. Most other major countries' forums (ie: Argentina, Thailand, Japan, China etc...) have one such section and it's about time our beloved Brasil also gets hers. Gents, lets make this happen!

Sperto
12-22-07, 08:44
I just reread the story again, and there's nothing in there that says that the guys are currently in a Brazilian jail. As a matter of fact, based on the reader comments on this story at O Globo, the Brazilian readers are just as curious as to where the two guys actually are.
The whole incident took place in January 2006.
They returned to Italy in March. :(
http://conjur.estadao.com.br/static/text/62456,1

Pipe Layer99
12-22-07, 10:13
3rd motion to get it started.

Jackson, what do you say?



I also agree that a section dedicated to just non-pro girls would be welcomed. Most other major countries' forums (ie: Argentina, Thailand, Japan, China etc...) have one such section and it's about time our beloved Brasil also gets hers. Gents, lets make this happen!

Voyajer1
12-22-07, 14:22
Another forum is reporting that in addition to the $400 real sixty minute program, their entrance fee is now $100 reals. So you are now out $500 reals to get lousy service and if you are really lucky, one nut? Upfront? I've been to Brazil at least half a dozen times and I've never set foot while the price was $330 reals upfont. Now they want $500 reals? Their management has a really screwed up business plan or they aim to keep a certain clientele out. Either way, they don't have to worry about me going to visit. This is beyond outrageous.

I don't know if anyone on this forum actually goes to Centaurus anymore. I think I've gone three times in fifteen years but I'm sure everyone knows that they are by far the most expensive termas in Copa and maybe in Rio for that matter. Anyway they've outdone themselves and totally changed the rules of the game. No more 40 minute sessions! Sessions now start at 60 minutes and the minimum price is now a whopping 400R and that's before you sip your first drink. Of course the girls are all crying about no americanos and rightfully so although my friend who did go said the talent level was back up to the level of a couple years ago.

Mangera
12-22-07, 15:46
I don't know if anyone on this forum actually goes to Centaurus anymore. I think I've gone three times in fifteen years but I'm sure everyone knows that they are by far the most expensive termas in Copa and maybe in Rio for that matter. Anyway they've outdone themselves and totally changed the rules of the game. No more 40 minute sessions! Sessions now start at 60 minutes and the minimum price is now a whopping 400R and that's before you sip your first drink. Of course the girls are all crying about no americanos and rightfully so although my friend who did go said the talent level was back up to the level of a couple years ago.
I personally did not enjoy the establishment when I went for the first time a couple of years ago. Mainly due to the stupidity of having to pay upfront, a girl on top of you like white on rice when you first get there and you are trying to change clothing in a place that feels like a phone booth.....and the garotas are way too pushy and aggressive on the floor.
But hey, some guys like all of that crap. I will admit that I did enjoy the live music.

400R for an hour session? My Lord, do you know what kind of damage some savy members in this forum can do with 400R?

Just a little hint for the newbies.......Could you imagine what that very same garota from your favorite termas would do for 400R and for how long, outside of the termas? And If you speak portuguese, and treat them respectfully, make it two garotas for that price. The posiblities are endless. Hell, some members of this forum would even head to VM for the biggest orgy in Rio with those 400R :)

400R for a 1 hour session? F**ken Nuts! Just my two cents. Laters!

Athlete
12-22-07, 15:57
Does anyone know where one can shoot pool & throw some darts in Rio?

Athlete
12-22-07, 16:25
***Massagems***

These little places (usually 4 rooms or less) charge around R50 for 30 minutes, some charge R1 per minute. I find it takes a bit of work to find something decent here and the Termas are generally a much more fun atmosphere. These places are set up for the locals and hence are much cheaper and generally less hygienic. They are open from midday or so to 8pm or 10pm at night. It is not uncommon to see the same girls here go to Help at night or a beach front Restaurant. Best to bring you own condoms and lube, cheap and nasty describes these places. If I do a girl here I choose to do her "standing up" rather than use the bed, which may or may not be clean. The rooms are more like cubicles and hence may not have a door on them, hence other punters may well see your naked ass bouncing off the walls as they go by.

In Copacabana

Praca Serzedelo Correia 15, room 1104, R$30 for 30 minutes.
Hilário de Gouveia 66, apt 1103 (Level11). R$ 30 for 20 minutes.
Av North Copacabana 583, apt. 204. R$40 for 20 minutes. No need to take the elevator just walk up the stairs next to them. Try 202 when there, it is copa terma R$70 30mins.

Rua Siqueira Campos, 22, enter from Hilário de Gouveia, you will see the blue entrance with a 2 on each side of the door. R$80 for 40 minutes. A bit more expensive than the rest but still not as expensive as Monte etc and of course not as clean either.

Is this info up to date? any other info anyone can add?

Great guide bubba

Sperto
12-22-07, 17:51
Hell, some members of this forum would even head to VM for the biggest orgy in Rio with those 400R :).
I like the idea... R$ 400 is equal to 16 VM-girls.
Line them up outside the cabin and start the hardest workout in your life.
Eight hours of sweaty bunda. :D

BionicMan
12-22-07, 18:00
I agree that the sentence seems out of whack with the crime. Also, wouldn't hate of westerners more likely manifest itself against Americans? (To be anal, I think you mean western "1st worlders" or something like that, right?) As an American, I'm not happy to say this, but it seems that much of the world's antipathy these days is focused on the U.S. Italy hardly shows up as a blip on the geopolitical radar. (Apologies to any Italians reading this. I don't mean it as a put-down, just a fact of modern politics. I'm an ardent admirer of Italian culture, and I regard Italy as the wellspring of western civilization's cornerstone--the Roman Empire.)

Main lesson in this whole business: Even Paradise (i.e., Brazil) is filled with quicksand. Sempre cuidado. Always watch your step. Respect everyone there, and keep your baser impulses in check.

Hi RioJoe
I (honestly) appreciate your understanding of the fact (we) italians do not represent much in some circles (still we are forced in sometime by our governors, but that is not an ISG topic)
It would also be a bit suicide minded if brazilian go against italians, since a good 50% of the population has blood certainly mixed with italians if not fully italians.
The number of italian passports (for convenience too) amongst the brazilian citizens is huge!

Sperto
12-22-07, 18:29
It would also be a bit suicide minded if brazilian go against italians, since a good 50% of the population has blood certainly mixed with italians if not fully italians.
The Italian influence is great in Brazil, but 50% might be a bit over-exaggerated. More like 13%, which is still a lot.
25 millions brazilians are descendents from Italy.
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imigra%C3%A7%C3%A3o_italiana_no_Brasil

Euro100
12-22-07, 18:45
I also agree that a section dedicated to just non-pro girls would be welcomed. Most other major countries' forums (ie: Argentina, Thailand, Japan, China etc...) have one such section and it's about time our beloved Brasil also gets hers. Gents, lets make this happen!

I don't know if this would be so helpful. The truth is that often there is a smooth transition between p4p and freebies with many of the garotas.

Euro100
12-22-07, 18:49
I like the idea... R$ 400 is equal to 16 VM-girls.
Line them up outside the cabin and start the hardest workout in your life.
Eight hours of sweaty bunda. :D

Would I be allowed to have multiple sessions with some of the girls, or would I have to pick 16 different VM girls? I am just asking, because in my book there is no way that there are 16 doable girls in that zoo. :D 3 to 5 maybe. But 16? LOL

El Austriaco
12-22-07, 20:05
Does anyone know where one can shoot pool & throw some darts in Rio?
Shananigans in Ipanema, as far as I know (they definitely do have a pool table). On Praça General Osório, on the Visconde de Pirajá side.