2007 Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Trippleecks]

Abbot200,

I'm not sure who you are trying to impress but I tried calling that number again and a nice old Gentleman answered the phone and does not know anyone names Karina. I even asked for her by her REAL name.

Yea, I said her real name because I know her and when she lived in Botofogo I knew her very, very well. I actually picked her up from the clinic after her nosejob. I know the guy that paid for her implants and Lipo.. If you doubt me I can post a few photos of her to prove my point. Can you?

I know she LOVES to pose and would strip at the first click of a shutter. So if you were with her, like you claim, you should have a few photos to back you up.

If you are reading the number off her business card like you say, I suggest you check if you need glasses. I am just being polite. I actually think you are lying your ass off.

[El Austriaco]

If you are reading the number off her business card like you say, I suggest you check if you need glasses. I am just being polite. I actually think you are lying your ass off.
I agree. First post by Abbot200 deleted as it led to a commercial website, second one still up, but leads to the same website, third post no specific information, fourth post no specific information either as to which girls on Hotside Abbot200 claims to have been with, and the fifth and most recent one a personal attack against a Senior Member. What a wealth of information. Wow, I am impressed.

Anyone can spell Serial Antagonist for me? BTW, Abbot200, I have reported your post to the Moderator.

Enjoy the forum while you still can.

EA

[Rio Bob]

I just can't see myself using an escort service. Two reasons:

1) You don't know if you're going to get what's advertised. She may not look as good in person. The photographs usually represent their best shot (out of 50 to 100 digital shots) on their best day (plenty of preparation leading up to the shoot) with make-up, lighting, photoshop (the last one is a biggie) etc. All thrown into the mix. I can't imagine myself expecting a "10" based upon the pictures advertised and actually having that "10" ring my doorbell. Probably more like a 6 or 7 would show up.

2) 150 to 200 reais per hour is just too high. Especially when you take into consideration that you can easily have a TLN for that price. Even most of the terma girls can be had for this rate with a little negotiation. It just takes the right attitude, the right words and a little charm.

I prefer the thrill of the hunt and value for services provided. Just my two cents.

WC


I was in Rio last week but now Im freezing que pena. I met one girl from a non pro website my first night, she wasn't bad, I could have done her but I was so bored I put her in a taxi and sent her home cause I couldn't wait to get to Help for my first puta. I also was walking down the avenue one night and this non pro smiled at me, we went to have a beer, made out in the cafe and later on the avenue but she wouldn't come to my apartment and I never called her back. I went to Help everynight and went to a Termas once, took a girl off the beach once and called this escort service once: www.companygirl.com.br

I asked for Vitoria, I had been eyeballing those breasts for months on the internet and thought when I arrived I would treat myself to them. She came over like 5 in the afternoon, I immediately could see she was not the same girl in the photo but clearly she was the big breast type. They might even have been bigger than the ones in the picture. She also told me she goes by the name of Jaqueline on the same website, another big breast girl, similar in looks but for sure not the same girl as in the photos of Vitoria or the girl who arrived in my apartment. I think they put up a picture of a girl like a certain type, in this case big breasted type, maybe they have 4 girls in their stable that fit that description and send them out as needed. I did do this girl but I will say out of all the girls that week this was the only one I didn't try to kiss. I called her over to do an Espanhola on her, I said to her you must do this a lot ha? She was sweet enough at 19 years old but built like a bull mastiff rather than an elegant Afgahn which I prefer.

Also let me add this was 130 reais for 2 hours, other agencies I called were 250 and 300 for 2 hours. Centaurus was 310 reais for 40 minutes then I got kicked out of the room. I had many TLN's from Help with hours and hours of service for 200 reais and these girls were superior to the agency and for the most part the girl from Centaurus, the girl from Centaurus was extremely hot but I only had 40 minutes, not enough time to do a good job. I couldn't believe it, she was nice enough to give me a 5 minute warning.

[Java Man]

Rio Bob:
"I called her over to do an Espanhola on her....."
begs the question: Whats an Espanhola?

[Shemp]

What's an espanhola you ask?

It's screwing the girl between the breasts hopefully resulting in a cim or giving her a pearl necklace.

Shemp

[El Austriaco]

i have not seen a true cat-fight in rio. the only two confrontations i know are(...)
over the months that i have spent in rio, i have witnessed some pretty nasty ones in both meia pataca and in front of help.

i remember one time, during the summer of 2004, after a period of four days of straight rain, i was keen to leave the hotel, so i went to meia pataca first in the afternoon. well, apparently, i sure wasn't as desperate as all the garotas, who had lost days of work because of all the bad weather. that very afternoon, two major fights broke out, with chairs being thrown, broken glass all over the place and stuff. then at 10, i headed over to terraco atlantico, and every half an hour, a big fight ocurred. it was hilarious.

one that i vividly remember was at a table with some chinese guys and some gdps, including ana, this absolutely wacko gdp i had spent some time earlier this year (yeah, "ana maluca" that continued to send me flowers and postcards to my hotel after i kicked her ass out, one of them saying "i hope you don't think i am a prostitute. i am fashion designer, and i just hang out in meia pataca for fun!") rotflmao. i remember that that evening, we mongers used to joke that they should just build a wrestling ring right in front of help and sell tickets. best show in rio.

i've never seen any gdp catfights in help. the only time i personally had any trouble in help was when i took this absolutely crazy 60-year old black bisexual partygirl from nyc there who i had gotten to know on the bonde to cristo redentor. jeez, that grandma wanted to have crazy sex with men and women, get smashed, do coke, you name it. i was duly impressed, so i and my "girlfriend experience" at the time decided to take her to help just for fun. she absolutely loved it, but by the time we got there (her sister was in for the ride, too), she was already drunk beyond belief and coked out of her mind. since she couldn't find the ladies restroom any more by herself, as the gentleman that i am, i decided to show her the way, but instead of going into the ladies' room, she decided to follow me in the men's room. big mistake. security appeared out of nowhere and dragged her addict ass out of there in a big hurry. since she resisted, they smacked her good a few times. my gfe and her sister took off with her in a cab to take her back to the hotel. then, security called me down to the front door. i just thought "oh my!" lucky me, i spoke portuguese and was able to appease them and tone down the whole story, and they let me stay...

lesson learned: there's just certain things that you can not do in help. fighting is one of them, especially not with security. i guess all the girls in there know that, too.

personally, i would do anything to avoid fighting with any of those pista chicks. still in 2004, i got into a shouting match with a cabbie on my way back to my hotel with my gfe over some fare. he just gave me a bs excuse for not having sufficient change, i mouthed back (i was somewhat inebriated), one word followed another, and finally i slammed the door pretty hard on the way out, i was so pissed. overall, not a big deal. but the cabbie got really upset and got out of the car, too, threatening to beat my sorry ass (which was sort of scary, considering that i was on crutches at the time after a serious accident i had suffered in rio, virtually defenseless). as soon as he approached me, my gfe stepped in and whacked the guy in the face, throwing him onto the hood of the cab, breaking her cell phone in the process. the cabbie took of in a hurry, but my girl got so upset that she went after him in another one. later, she told me that they all ended up at the police station.

and then last year, i was in the interior of the state of rio with her, sitting on the sidewalk outside of a barzinho, drinking antarcticas with her and a couple of friends. inside, there was one other table with 6 people, and of course, a pretty smashed guy standing at the bar. as the evening progressed and from the conversations i could overhear, i figured out that the drunk guy at the bar was apparently the ex-bf of one of the girls sitting at the other table inside, and he was trying to talk to her, but she wouldn't have anything of it. well, the more hammered he got, the more he insisted; and the more she refused, the situation started to escalate. but nobody stepped in. at one point in time, he actually approached her table and tried to take a swing at her, but he stumbled backwards, and threw his glass backwards, right in the direction of my face. i had already anticipated trouble, so i just took a quick dive, but before he could even fall on our table, my gf grabbed him by the throat and by the balls, slammed him against the gate next door, pinning him there, just yelling "if you ever, ever, think you can hurt my bf, i will kill you. i will virtually kill ya. because nobody hurts my bf. you understand? now get the fuck out of here, i never ever want to see your face anymore!!!" then she just lifted him up and actually threw him into the street, i mean, she really tossed the guy like a bag of trash. as he was lying there, i could see the finger nail marks on his throat. the whole place just stood there in total disbelief. i have never seen a woman fight with speed, force, ferocity and aggressiveness like that, i was truly in awe. fuck, it was not even a contest.

two days later, an acquaintance told me that this guy was the local karate champion. well, well.

well, enough stories from me for now. so as fun as these catfights may be from time to time, be careful guys, they get very nasty in a hurry. and as small and petite some of these pista chicks look, i'd also be careful about thinking that you could easily handle them. from what i have seen, without a doubt, they are all very experienced street fighters. don't forget that they all come from some of the worst crime-ridden, drug-infested areas in brazil where it is survival of the fittest on a daily basis. whatever you have seen, they have probably seen worse. i remember one girl i got to know in 2004, aline, who told me about colleagues from highschool that died violent deaths in the same way that i would talk about hs buddies that i have simply lost touch with. where she lived, it simply was part of the daily routine. simply unbelievable.

ea

[El Austriaco]

I just read the latest update of the blog of Gata de Copacabana, and she mentions that as of January 30, she will start working at the Phoenix Club located at Min. Alfredo Valadão, between Siqueira Campos and Figueiredo Magalhães. I assume this is the latest reincarnation of the former Termas Bononia.

http://www.gatadeprograma.weblogger.terra.com.br/

Anyone been there lately?

EA

[Veterano]

Anybody know if the Termas will be open Sunday Apr 8 (Easter)?

Thanks for the info

Veterano

[Mr Enternational]

Anybody know if the Termas will be open Sunday Apr 8 (Easter)?
Thanks for the info.

VeteranoThe downtown ones are usually closed on the weekends and I don't know if the ones in the neighborhoods are open on Sundays. With it being a holiday I am pretty sure that nothing will be open. Last Easter Copa (Meia Pataca & Help) was really dead.

[El Apodo]

Anybody know if the Termas will be open Sunday Apr 8 (Easter)?

Thanks for the info

VeteranoLuomo was (I know, I was there!) and I believe Monte Carlo and Solarium were. I don't know about Centaurus.

Everything on Good Friday, on the other hand, is locked down - even the escort agencies. Better have something lined up in advance.

EA

[Ryjerrob]

Anybody know if the Termas will be open Sunday Apr 8 (Easter)?

Thanks for the info

VeteranoLet me know what your exact dates are. I'll be there April 3-9, and then again in July. Maybe we could meet for a drink and compare notes.

Ryjer

[BootyTapper]

as soon as he approached me, my gfe stepped in and whacked the guy in the face, throwing him onto the hood of the cab, breaking her cell phone in the process. the cabbie took of in a hurry, but my girl got so upset that she went after him in another one. later, she told me that they all ended up at the police station.

and then last year, i was in the interior of the state of rio with her, sitting on the sidewalk outside of a barzinho, drinking antarcticas with her and a couple of friends. inside, there was one other table with 6 people, and of course, a pretty smashed guy standing at the bar. as the evening progressed and from the conversations i could overhear, i figured out that the drunk guy at the bar was apparently the ex-bf of one of the girls sitting at the other table inside, and he was trying to talk to her, but she wouldn't have anything of it. well, the more hammered he got, the more he insisted; and the more she refused, the situation started to escalate. but nobody stepped in. at one point in time, he actually approached her table and tried to take a swing at her, but he stumbled backwards, and threw his glass backwards, right in the direction of my face. i had already anticipated trouble, so i just took a quick dive, but before he could even fall on our table, my gf grabbed him by the throat and by the balls, slammed him against the gate next door, pinning him there, just yelling "if you ever, ever, think you can hurt my bf, i will kill you. i will virtually kill ya. because nobody hurts my bf. you understand? now get the fuck out of here, i never ever want to see your face anymore!!!" then she just lifted him up and actually threw him into the street, i mean, she really tossed the guy like a bag of trash. as he was lying there, i could see the finger nail marks on his throat. the whole place just stood there in total disbelief. i have never seen a woman fight with speed, force, ferocity and aggressiveness like that, i was truly in awe. fuck, it was not even a contest.

two days later, an acquaintance told me that this guy was the local karate champion. well, well.


ea

el austriaco, if this woman rides you as you as she protects you, you found a very good one. she is a down chic and will stand up for her man, el austriaco! i have to give you and her one for that. in my time in going to rio, i have not really seen any cat fights, arguements yes, but no swinging. i remember one distinctly because the asshole that started it was sitting next to me. we were in mp, just up from the beach, everybody is chilling and enjoying the scene. everything went down similar to how your last episode occurred. the guy started talking to a garota but she was not giving him any play at all. so of course he decided he would up the anty and talk about her. that was his mistake because the whole time since he began shouting, all the garotas started to take notice. he began calling he a sorry poor b**ch from the favela and she needed his cash to feed her f...ing family, next thing you know 4 garotas got up to defend their friend. they started telling him off, moving in closer, and we saw them started reaching in their purses. i guess he saw it also and walked out quick. of course he had no balls to talk on his way out but waited until he was 10 feet away. after he left all you heard was very loud clapping and garotas hooting! i felt like i was in a "manba meeting" (man bashing meeting), but those girls are not stupid. they quickly told us guys who were left yes they maybe garotas, but please please please do not come into their country and disrespect them in anyway. then they were back to their gdp business like nothing happenned.
for me i did not like it at all because we were in the middle of mp so it was really like being in a ring. all eyes and ears are were on my table, the funny thing is the guy was not even with us, he sat down when another gdp got up talking about he was holding her seat. but it turned out cool because the women at our table quickly let all their friends know that that asshole was not with us and we did not know him.

i can give you another instance also. my boys and i were on one of the now infamous boat rides. a famous gdp was on board and looking really good. there was a newbie yankee who was talking to a friend of the garota i was with. he all of a sudden disappeared but we know he did not fall overboard. my gdp's friend started to worry abit because that was her $'s for the night and she started to like him. she came to my gdp and asked if she saw him and a seacrh party was formed. i remember distinctly the dj put on ivete sangalo and gilberto gil "ceu da boca" and the garotas went wild. we were dancing by a window upstairs next to a downstairs cabin. i saw him in the cabin with the famous gdp and moved my gdp infront of the window facing me so she would not she him. i guess one of the search party told the rest of the gdp's that he was downstairs and with the famous gdp and hating started immediately. no punches were thrown because a cop was onboard, but words were exchanged and lots of nasty looks for the rest of the night. those gdp's made sure none of my boys and i went home with the famous gdp that night. oh the good ole days of playing in rio, i have to run back down soon to create some new experiences.

[Bubba Boy]

Anybody know if the Termas will be open Sunday Apr 8 (Easter)?

Thanks for the info

Veterano

I would be thinking yes, anyone to confirm this?

[Bubba Boy]

For those of you that are interested, the Feb 2007 version of the "Bubba Brazil Report" has been added to that section. It is also available in PDF format.

If anyone is wondering why I bother to spend 100+ hours to update this guide, it is because I knew sweet fuck all before I started reading this board a few years back. Hence, it is about giving something back to the first time visitors to Brazil.

[El Austriaco]

El Austriaco, if this woman rides you as you as she protects you, you found a very good one. She is a down chic and will stand up for her man, El Austriaco! I have to give you and her one for that.
Thanks, Bootytapper. Yes, she always was very protective of me (including during an attempted robbery at gunpoint in Copacabana last year and when we got caught up in a fake blitz on Ilha do Governador back in 2004). Whenever I asked her, "Should I bring any ID?" She said, "No. If the police wants something from you, they gotta talk to me first. I am your ID". I grant her that, she did look out for me. Big time. I must have brought out the maternal instinct in her.

And yes, she was a sex maniac. I remember when I first got to know her back in the summer of 2004, one afternoon at my hotel, she sternly sat me down on the bed and said, "EA, we got to talk about sex. You know, I want to come three times a day. At least. Preferably, five times. I mean, if occasionally, I only have two orgasms a day, that's fine, as long as it doesn't happen too often. But if it's only one orgasm a day... we got a problem!!!"

I just looked at her in utter disbelief and said, "You do realize that about a month ago, I was lying in this very same bed, virtually paralyzed with a broken pelvis, tons of muscles torn in both legs, my back black and blue and covered with hematoma? You realize the only reason I didn't die in that hang-gliding accident was that I was incredibly lucky? You have noticed that I am walking on crutches, right? So now you are talking about sex five times a day? You believe in miracles or what?"

She just stared at me and said, "You can always buy more Cialis, you know" LOL.

I did learn a lot about sex for the handicapped, though. Anyone want to know which positions work best and which love motels always give you rooms on the first floor so you don't have to walk up the stairs on crutches, I got first-hand experience, unfortunately :)

But anyhow, I digress. Unfortunately, however, the qualities that are so crucial in a street fight (proactive and preemptive aggressiveness, for example), she would also display in normal social situations, creating a shitload of problems that, ultimately, I had to gloss over (like grossly insulting people at my hotel that had helped me greatly after my accident, almost getting me kicked out of Vinicius in Ipanema, starting a big shouting match in Meia Pataca over a R$ 2 discrepancy on the bill, etc.) Everday social situations that require a much more cordial, rational, and non-aggressive approach to problem-solving than a drugged-out guy (girl) trying to hit me over the head with a bottle. Like that one-time carioca beauty queen desperately lost to drugs who just tried to do that one night on Prado Júnior.

Ultimately, knowing her background and where she came from (a very poor neighboorhood in a run-down city in the interior of Rio de Janeiro State), and getting to know her family and friends, I just came to the conclusion that she just didn't know any better, and that she would never change. Why would she change? Where she came from, her attitude was a life-saving asset. She is a favela chick, after all. The world I live in and into which I wanted to bring her, it was a huge liability and constant source of conflict. Soap opera stuff, simply, which is intriguing at first before it becomes really draining.

Maybe one day, I will write a detailed report about my insane experience living with her in her ghetto world for some months. Technically speaking, it wasn't a favela, because buildings were authorized, and there were no drug gangs running the show. In all other respects, it was actually worse.

In the very end, our relationship took the same road as that of most foreigner/GDP relationships, i.e. the road that leads very steeply downhill. As you can imagine, it didn't end quietly. Brazilian telenovelas never do, especially those that start so romantically on the pista in Copacabana. Or in Romario's nightclub in Barra de Tijuca whose name I just can't recall anymore.

At least, we will always have our son.


After he left all you heard was very loud clapping and garotas hooting! I felt like I was in a "Manba Meeting" (Man Bashing Meeting), but those girls are not stupid. They quickly told us guys who were left yes they maybe garotas, but please please please do not come into their country and disrespect them in anyway. Then they were back to their GDP business like nothing happenned.


No punches were thrown because a cop was onboard, but words were exchanged and lots of nasty looks for the rest of the night. Those GDP's made sure none of my boys and I went home with the famous GDP that night.
Based on my experience, these pista chicks sort of operate like gangs, with a very strict code of honor, with loyalty and respect being held in the highest esteem, even some sort of pride in what they are doing. Once two GDPs establish what they call a "friendship", despite the fact that it is actually more of a mutually beneficial business relationship, they still expect a lot from each other. Rule # 1, you don't steal any customers from each other. In other words, you don't fuck with anybody else's business. And yes, sometimes it is sufficient that a girl just sits down right next to you for you to be HERS, in their eyes. You don't even have to sleep with her. Rule # 2, if there is any trouble with other girls, you help each other inconditionally, regardless of whether your friend is actually right or wrong. Rule # 3, you unconditionally stick together in respect of outsiders. This means that if a GDP is ripping you off, you will never ever hear it from any other girl. Ever.

The Copacabana pista is mean street. No girl can survive by herself for a long time, and even less so by making a lot of enemies.

And just like real gangs, they are in a constant state of flux, wondering who is in and who isn't, who can be trusted and who can't, with ad-hoc alliances being formed at all times, openly or secretly, and jealousies flaring up at a moment's notice. Just adds to the allure of Copacabana. Just don't forget that you are really on their turf, and when push comes to shove, they certainly are way more united than we mongers. Despite WSG and everything.

EA

[Zidaho]

I have posted dozens of pictures of Karina (aka Raphaela), lived with her in her apartment for a week and spent quite a lot of time with her over several vacations the past few years to Brazil. I know her sister and her nephews as we spent time together when they visited. I probably paid for some of that nose job too as I was with her for about two weeks just after the surgery. A year or so prior to that I even took her to the clinic to get the tit job!! Ha, ha . . . she is great! I miss her but we split when I was unwilling to bring her to the USA on a fiance visa, she signed it and did her part I just didn't follow through. TEchnically she is still married to her highschool sweetheart even though he has been living with another woman for ten years now and has 2-3 kids with his live in mate. Divorce is a legal mess in Brazil.

I try to stay in touch with her but have lost track to a certain extent the past year or so. I am suprised she hasn't gotten married and started having a family by now. She is hot, smart, and fun. Nod N . . . how do you know her, from back in her Luomo days??

[Bravo]

Damn El Austriaco! That Hang Gliding accident sounds like a hell of s story. Have you already told it on this board? If not, could you explain what happened. Glad that you are okay!

I have always been tempted to go on one of those tandem hang gliding excursions, but I am too chicken shit, I am scared to death of heights!!

[Track Star]

I just want to give a super big THANK YOU to Bubba Boy for all his time and effort in putting together this "Bible" of mongering in Brazil, for it is PRICELESS!. There is not enough thank you's in the world to express to you how much I appreciate it, and I am sure I am speaking for any monger who is not familiar or updated on Brazil.

I just have to chime in..Bubba Boy is a gentleman and a scholar. As soon as Harvard gets their shit together he will be awarded the first honorary doctorate in Brazil mongering. No doubt about that. Congrats on a great report Bubbers. This report I read with great enthusiasm paired with visualizing my good memories from being in Rio..it became so real like I almost was there. Have not been in Rio since Oct 2005..hope to be back this year in October!!
Keep the good stuff coming. Cheers and Happy Mongering in beautiful Rio to you all!!

Track Star

[Sui Generis]

For those of you that are interested, the Feb 2007 version of the "Bubba Brazil Report" has been added to that section. It is also available in PDF format.

If anyone is wondering why I bother to spend 100+ hours to update this guide, it is because I knew sweet fuck all before I started reading this board a few years back. Hence, it is about giving something back to the first time visitors to Brazil.

We all appreciate your contribution, prezado Bubba Boy!

This is the purpose of this forum: share information and help other hobbyists.

Tks!

[Bubba Boy]

Firstly, thankyou, thankyou very much (elvis)

Secondly, I too would like to hear about EA's brush with death. I do know of a guy that was lying on the beach at São Conrad when a tandem fell from the sky, the tourist lived but was well and truly fucked up. Can't recommend this activity, too many accidents and a few deaths per year (I believe they average 1 death a year).

[El Austriaco]

damn el austriaco! that hang gliding accident sounds like a hell of s story. have you already told it on this board? if not, could you explain what happened. glad that you are okay!

i have always been tempted to go on one of those tandem hang gliding excursions, but i am too chicken shit, i am scared to death of heights!!
actually, i never told it in detail on this board. once, i wrote a detailed analysis of hang-gliding in rio de janeiro and its dangers (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=322391&postcount=259). obviously, this was based on my own experience as well as research in the aftermath of all this. you will notice that in item 4, i refer to another serious accident on june 28, 2004 during a tandem-flight involving an austrian tourist. well, that was me, el austriaco :). actually, a very good friend of mine and fellow wsg member issued a hang-gliding warning here on isg shortly afterwards (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=246442&postcount=162).

i didn't tell the whole story back then for a number of reasons: number one, at the time, it was still an open police investigation (well it still is, but who cares by now? it's not like anything is going to come from it.) number two, back in 2004, i felt that my profile was too high, and too many people might be able to identify me. you know, there are only eight million austrians in the world, so how many of them are in copacabana, speak fluent portuguese, and run around on two crutches after suffering an accident that, apparently, made it onto brazilian television? number three, it's only marginally related with the purpose of this board. but now it's 2007, and since you guys wanna hear it, i guess i can tell the whole story without major worries.

i got to rio on june 26, 2004 via santiago de chile. the plan was to stay in rio by myself for five days, then join an organized group to go through southern brazil (angra dos reis, sampa, curitiba, iguacu), into paraguay, uruguay, northern argentina, and end up in buenos aires, a trip of 17 days overall. then i was going to spend two more days in ba by myself, fly to chile, spend a week with friends, possibly go skiing in portillo, and then fly back to mexico. 31 days on the road total. for whatever reason, it was not meant to be.

while the trip was not about mongering at all, i knew that i could probably pick up some girls along the road, especially during the five days i was in rio by myself. i had spent some time in rio before in 2002, for a few days, so i was aware of meia pataca, help, etc. but there were other things that i wanted to experience in rio, too, which i had never done before. like going to a soccer game at maracana. possibly do a favela tour. and go hang-gliding.

after the accident, of course, i had plenty of time to ask myself how that idea of going hang-gliding actually came about. i am kind of an adventurous guy, yes, but not really into extreme sports. i've gone rafting in the amazon, hiked to 4,800 m in ecuador, i lived with an indian tribe in the rainforest for a few days, i have hiked two weeks to see mt. everest, yes, i like to go skiing. but i've never been into bungee-jumping, sky-diving, parachuting, anything extreme, adrenaline-driven like that. so where did the urge come from?

easy. i just wanted to see rio from another perspective. seeing rio from above from sugarloaf and corcovado just inspired me to seek another way to see rio from high above. and what better way to achieve that than by going hang-gliding? after all, thousands of people do it in rio every year, right?

so in the early afternoon of june 28, a monday, i was sitting in my hotel, trying to figure out how i would organize my time in rio before the rest of the tour group would arrive. the day before, i had gone to maracana for the first time, watching romario convert a penalty during a very entertaining 3-3 between fluminense and botafogo. so what should i do first... go on a favela tour, or go hang-gliding? i vaguely remembered that i had heard that favelatours had been suspended indefinitely. so i went to the reception desk and asked the manager whether that was true. he said yes. damn. so i inquired whether he knew a good hang-gliding pilot. he recommended m. and gave him a call.

m. was just on his way back to copacabana with a client after a successful flight. he said, "no worries, i'll come over to your hotel and explain how everything works. plus, you'll get a chance to talk to this american guy who just did it". so he came over, explained everything, the risks involved ("nahhhhhhh, it's being done a million times a in rio. you can even do it if you are 70 years old or 120 kg heavy, and there’s no experience required", and that basically, as a client, you just have to run down five meters on a ramp, then you take off... that's it! somehow, i still wasn't very convinced and said, "thanks a lot, let me think about it, maybe i'll do it tomorrow". but he insisted, saying that weather conditions were perfect that day, that tomorrow, things might be different, etc. etc. finally, i caved in. big big mistake.

first, we dropped off the other client at his hotel. i chatted with him on the way there, about his experience and stuff. he just loved it, he was totally pumped up. he was very likeable high-school kid from boston, and he told me we was going to move to northern california to go to college once he got back from this trip. just before he got out of the car, for whatever inexplicable reason, it suddenly flashed through my mind that possibly, i should give him my ex-wife’s phone number, just in case something happened to me. then i told myself, “gosh, what’s gonna happen, ea? nothing is gonna happen, relax!” this was the first warning sign i ignored.

once we arrived at the parking lot at the pedra bonita ramp in sao conrado, m. (the pilot) and his assistant started to unload the glider while his gf (whose name i don’t remember, but she was very cute :)) and i started walking up the stairs to the actual ramp. suddenly, she turned towards me and asked me, “you sure must be thinking this is the craziest thing you have ever done!” i pondered the question for a second, then i strangely said, “you know, i have done some pretty crazy stuff in my lifetime, so no, not really. but why don’t you ask me afterwards?” second warning sign that i ignored.

when i actually stood on the ramp for the first time, looking down onto the beach some 1500 ft below, my heart really started racing. i was thinking, “shit! i don’t know if this is such a good idea!” but of course, i was too chicken (or too macho) to admit that i was actually scared. too chicken too back out at that time, when there still was time. but i definitely had a very bad gut feeling about the whole thing. it was almost like i could sense it. unfortunately, not man enough to simply say, “hey dude, take your 80 bucks, but i am not going to be doing this after all!” third warning sign that i ignored. and so, the events took their course.

some people set up the glider while m. and i went through the safety drill, which essentially consisted of doing a number of 10 m dashes with my arm around his shoulder. as a client, you wear a full-body harness and a helmet, of course. we snapped a few pictures, for the memories. everything looked good. it was a gray, overcast day, and it wasn’t especially windy, i remember. m. said “the only thing you have to concentrate on is running down the ramp as hard as you can. once you do that and we are airborne, just relax.”

i don’t exactly remember the dash down the ramp, whether anything unusual happened, someone stumbled or so. there are a few seconds just missing from my recollection. i just remember that instead of taking straight off, we immediately sagged instead of soaring. right beneath the ramp, there is a small platform for the paragliders, and it felt like we just barely cleared it. i remember myself thinking “ok, we just gotta get away from those trees. once we get clear of those trees, then i can relax”. we never did.

so we kept flying, but dropping in height rather than rising, not drastically, but we never got far away from those damn trees. i remember that as i kept telling myself "damn, when are we finally gonna get sufficiently far away from those tree tops?", fear was slowly creeping in. about 15 seconds into the flight or so, we scraped over the top of a tree with our legs, almost getting stuck, but the speed of the glider pulled us through, ultimately. but since we had lost so much speed, the hang-glider got totally out of whack, flying up and down, left and right, picking up incredible speed in the process, with m. desperately struggling to maintain some sort of control. by that time, i knew we were in deep-shit trouble and things were terribly wrong. at least, instead of plunging into the next ravine some 100 m below, he managed to pull it over to the right towards a ridge, in the direction of pedra da gávea. that’s when i saw this huge tree right in front of us, and i just knew there was no way we could avoid a crash now.

strangely, i just calmed down in that moment, thinking “whatever is gonna happen, it’s gonna happen, no reason to get upset about it. if you die right here and right now, you gotta accept it. if life continues, but under very different circumstances, you gotta accept it. and if nothing happens, you gotta accept it, too”. so i just closed my eyes, put my hands over my face, and waited for the pain to hit me. it was almost serene.

we smashed frontally into the tree, at full speed. i remember the sound of breaking metal, crushed branches, ripping textile. i remember falling inside the tree, tumbling backwards between the branches, just waiting for that ultimate moment of impact. everything went into slow motion, as if time had almost stopped. the fall seemed to take like an eternity. finally, i felt a sharp snap and excruciating pain in my lower back, like my body had been cut in half. but we had stopped, at least.

i didn't dare to open my eyes, but i could feel that we were dangling from a tree, m., myself, and whatever was left of the hang-glider, totally entangled in the branches. the fact that we never hit the ground probably saved both of our lives.

i couldn’t breathe. i was hyperventilating like crazy, but just like when somebody hits you in the back really hard, i just couldn’t breathe. m. asked “you’re ok?”, and i tried to say “i can’t breathe”, but i couldn't. 30 seconds or so later, i calmed down, and some air was slowly entering my lungs again. then came the moment that i really dreaded, which was opening my eyes, checking what was wrong with me.

it didn’t look all that bad at first. i couldn’t see any blood, other than a few scratches. i looked down on my body, and didn’t see any missing limbs or any bones sticking out. i tried to move, and to my surprise, i actually could move my arms and legs a bit. well, at least i wasn’t paralyzed or anything. i reached back behind me, touching this huge rock. damn, we had really lucked out.

the next thing that happened was truly surreal. suddenly, the phone rang. m., who was hanging higher than me over my right shoulder, reached down towards my harness and unzipped the pocket on my chest, looking for the cell. “hello? yes, everything ok. nothing happened. we are fine!” i said, “m., i am not so sure about that.” he kept insisting “no, we are fine”, with me repeating “no, we are definitely not fine.”

about a foot below my left foot, there was a bifurcation in the tree, just about two feet off the ground. we had to get off the tree as fast as possible before taking another, possibly fatal fall, but all the cables were so entangled in the tree that we couldn’t. finally, m. cut off a safety line still securing me to the smashed-up glider, and i carefully descended. that was the first time i noticed that somehow, something was wrong with my left leg, that i just couldn't put my full weight on it. i didn't think a whole lot of it at the time, i was so shaky, anyway.

there was a small clearing in the forest, and i sat down, totally exhausted. it was all so strange, looking down on pepino beach below from high above, sitting in the middle of the mata atlantica, looking at the cidade maravilhosa below. i was sort of detached from everything that was happening around me. it all seemed like a movie. it all seemed like it was happening to someone else. in a really weird way, it was all very tranquil, even beautiful.

m. descended, too, and that’s when we received another phone call, apparently from someone on the ramp who had witnessed our incident. he said, “no, we don’t need any help!” i said, “m., we need all the help we can get. i am not sure whether i am fine”, but i really didn’t care any more. i didn’t care about anything at that moment, i just wanted to get the fuck out of there.

about 10 minutes later, a guy arrived at the crash site. we were virtually in the middle of the forest, on a steep incline, no trail, just trees, shrubs, and rocks. no way to rescue us by helicopter or anything, so we had no other choice than start climbing to the top of the ridge, securing us against whatever we could get a hold off. i have no idea how i ever got out of the harness. since m. was apparently entirely unharmed other than bruised and shaken up, the other guy mainly helped me. so that’s how we got out of there, with me using the three limbs that still functioned normally. sometimes, we were crawling on all four up this steep slope. after about half an hour, we reached a trail on relatively flat terrain on top of the ridge. by that time, i could hardly walk anymore, and it was getting more difficult by the minute.

finally, after 45 minutes or so, we reached the ramp again. i sat down on the wall, totally covered in mud, leaves, and sweat, in total shock, but happy that nothing major had happened, apparently. my whole body was just trembling, so i had a cigarette just to calm me down. we washed up a bit, drank some water, and decided to leave. problem was, by that time, i couldn’t walk at all anymore. so with the support of one guy on each side, i managed to go down the stairs to the parking lot.

we stopped at the office of the brazilian hang-gliding association on pepino beach, where i took a shower. i remember sitting in the garden afterwards, shivering uncontrollable, almost inconscious. i was seeing everything through this big haze, everything looked totally unreal, like with a raging red-wine hangover. ultimately, the president of the association convinced m. that he had to take me to a hospital. so off we went to cardiotrauma ipanema.

as soon as we got to the reception desk of the emergency room and i told a doctor what had happened, all hell broke loose. suddenly, tens of doctors and nurses appeared out of nowhere and rushed me in there immediately, yelling like crazy in portuguese. i had to smile, it was almost like a brazilian episode of er. they were very concerned about the spine, that i would be paralyzed. at one point in time, a nurse was taking my blood pressure, and i asked her “everything ok?” she said, “no, not really. it’s low, and it’s dropping. this means that you got a serious injury, internal injury. we just don’t know where”. this really sobered me up pretty fast and made me realize how truly fucked up i was.

i remember the nurses joking with me. one said, “well, it’s good you speak portuguese and can tell us what happened!” i replied, “well, if i don’t speak portuguese now trying to explain what happened and what hurts, when am i ever going to speak portuguese?” another one i told, “you know, this is really a mess. i came to rio to look for the girl from ipanema. i just didn’t know that the first girl i would ever meet in ipanema would be an er nurse!” she just had to laugh. as messed up as i was, at least i didn’t lose my sarcastic humor.

to cut a long story short, after six hours there and tons of testing, including cat scans, for which they had to actually cut off all my clothes since i just couldn't move anymore, they gave me the news: they had discovered multiple fractures of my pelvis and some internal bleeding in that area, and that was the reason i couldn’t walk any more. in addition to a seriously bruised back, lots of muscles torn in the back of both legs, and some scratches. the vertebral column had been compressed a bit, but no major damage. i told them, “ok, what does that mean, am i going to die?” they said, “no, you are gonna be just fine.” i asked, “ok, will i ever be able to walk again?” they replied, “yes”. i asked, “ok, when?” they said, “come back in a month or so, and we will see how you are doing. for now, the only thing you need is rest. we can not put on a cast in the area of the fractures, so you just have to stay home and move as little as possible.” i said, “i am supposed to leave on a trip in three days! what am i going to do?” one doctor just smiled and said, “forget about it.”

since there was nothing more they could do for me at the hospital, they gave me prescriptions for two types of medication (an analgesic against the pain and an anti-inflammatory) and sent me home. since i only needed rest and relaxation, i figured i’d rather stay at the hotel where i had a phone, tv, and i would avoid major hospital expenses, though i had insurance. so m. and his crew dropped me off at my hotel in copacabana at around 11. literally dropped me off, since they had to carry me all the way from the car to my room. i am never going to forget the expression on the face of leo, the night clerk at the hotel, when they carried me in.

the hotel called the pharmacy for me to get me my medication. i figured, ok, let’s see how i feel tomorrow. somehow, i was still so out of it that i virtually had no idea of what really had happened that day and how serious it all was. somehow, i was still holding on to the hope that i could actually go on my trip to argentina.

well, that changed the next morning. that morning when i woke up and realized that i couldn’t move at all except my head and my arms. for all other purposes, i was essentially paralyzed.

but more on that in the next installment of how a hang-gliding accident ultimately and accidentally turned ea from an adventure traveler into a rio monger extraordinaire. how five days in rio turned into three-and-a-half months. :)

ea

[Veterano]

Great story EA

BTW, what is the meaning of the word Pista you like to use so much?

Thanks, Veterano

[El Austriaco]

Great story EA

BTW, what is the meaning of the word Pista you like to use so much?

Thanks, Veterano
Pista = street, like "garota da pista", streetwalker. Trabalhar na pista is another euphemism for hooking, turning tricks, but on the street. So the pista would be all areas where you see streetwalkers, or freelancers, in Copacabana, which pretty much includes all of Avenida Atlantica at night.

EA

[Java Man]

The dollar has been exchanging at R2.10 for sometime now. In the last few days it has dropped daily. Today it's at R2.07. Someone make it STOP, PLEASE!!!!

[Pana Nyc]

Im pretty sure it's going to go back up as soon as high season is over.

The dollar has been exchanging at R2.10 for sometime now. In the last few days it has dropped daily. Today it's at R2.07. Someone make it STOP, PLEASE!!!!

[Barbarossa1]

The dollar will continue to fall. It is the monetary and debt policies of the U.S. that is causing this fall. There will be no change in that policy for at least two years, so the dollar could be expected to continue to decline against certain currencies. Also look how that dollar has performed against the South Korean Won and the Euro. This is NOT a seasonal trend.

[Wild Cherokee]

Im pretty sure it's going to go back up as soon as high season is over.It appears as if it has followed that pattern for the last 2 years. However, the spike last year (May 2006) was much more significant/pronounced than the year before (May 2005).

December 02' till present is a pretty ugly looking chart. The visualization of the steady decline of the USD against the REAL is one sad picture.

WC

[Wild Cherokee]

For those of you that are interested, the Feb 2007 version of the "Bubba Brazil Report" has been added to that section. It is also available in PDF format.

If anyone is wondering why I bother to spend 100+ hours to update this guide, it is because I knew sweet fuck all before I started reading this board a few years back. Hence, it is about giving something back to the first time visitors to Brazil.Bubba Boy,

Allow me to pay homage as well. Please accept my sincere thanks and gratitude for your efforts. While I am still in my infancy stages of mongering, I hope to contribute posts/material that also give back to the community as well. If it was not for your guide, which I studied as if I were preparing to take the Bar exam, I'm quite sure that my sexplorations (no offense intended Sexplorer) would not have been quite as enjoyable as they were (and will continue to be). KUDOS!

[BootyTapper]

Bubba I have to also give you credit for all that work. I checked out the .pdf format and its 100 pages of solid info. Thanks a million for that! I can learn alot from all that work.

EA after reading part 1 of your story, I have to say I am happy you are still here with us because it really sounds like you should not have been. But being one that believes in faith and everything happens for a reason, I know you are supposed to be here. Looking forward to reading part 2, I was actually thinking about going para-gliding to see the city from a different perspective also. But since reading part 1, I knowing staying on the ground or a helicopter ride would be better.

[BootyTapper]

It was not long ago, actually last year that we mongers were not happy when the exchange rate was in the $2.50R range. Now is down $.40 cents since then and I miss that $2.50R range as much as I miss my favorite GDP. If I had a choice between the my favorite GDP and getting the $2.50R range back, I am taking the money ALL the time. LOL My GDP comes and goes between citys, with that exchange rate I can find another who is just as good or better because its Rio, "The marvelous city and capital of 10's"! I am looking forward to the rate going back up because it will be a mad party again. Only this time from all the info on this board, I am spending 80% or more of the cash in Centro!

[Wild Cherokee]

This post is part I of a II part response to Trelele. It is in regards to the GDP he inquired about in the Photos Section:

This is actually an ironic story. One night (September 06’) my buddies and I went to Help rather early (10pm) to have a few drinks outside the club and enjoy the street-show (sometimes freak-show) before we went in. However, I quickly decided to forego the Help action (temporarily) when I met a nice little pair of persuasive GDP’s (Fabi and Vanessa) at “Terraço Atlantico”. They claimed that they were sisters (though they had no resemblance) and offered me their ID’s to prove it. As it was still early, they were eager and the price was right for a dupla, I grabbed my driver (a yellow taxi driver named Fernando who ALWAYS takes me home from Help), some takeout from Bob’s and we proceeded to quickly skirt back to our Impanema abode. Before leaving, my buddies laughed and warned me to save some energy and bodily fluids for Help (as it was my intention to return). Well, needless to say the dupla session turned into a TLN-COMPLETA* (for the same price of R150 each). I didn’t even see my buddies again until till they crawled out of their rooms the next morning, fluid deprived themselves. Over some sucos and breakfast pastries from Chaika’s, they gave me a recap of the action that I missed that night at Help and told me about this beautiful bronzed morena who could dance her ass off. Something of a mix between Beyonce and Shakira in the dance department and she looked like a real winner. Now my friend’s know my type, and when they described her to me she sounded like my perfect “10”. They swore I would’ve loved her. They also told me that every guy in Help was trying to latch onto her but they didn’t see who she went home with, if anyone at all. I couldn’t express any regret though as my dupla was still in the room (10am) waiting for me to come back for some more recreational activity.

Later that day, we decided to go to Luomo’s for our first upscale Terma experience. We arrived around 6pm. As soon as we entered the bar area, my friend nudged me to look at this beautifully bronzed, bikini clad morena with a nearly perfect bunda standing by the stage. When she turned around, he anxiously whispered “That’s her, the girl from Help. The one I was telling you about”. Well, at that moment I made it my objective to meet and have the distinct pleasure of getting to intimately know this GDP who goes by the name of Ingrid. She was a little intimidating at first in her bright neon yellow bikini accentuated by her confident swagger. Damn, I still remember how the backside of that neon bikini just got lost in between those bronze cheeks, they were so soft yet firm, arrrrgghhh…but I digress. The only defense I had between me and her was my cotton robe which failed miserably at concealing my eager to please manhood (which of course was at full attention giving her the highest of salutes). Fortunately, Ingrid had no problem in comforting me as she gently caressed it and proceeded with a heartfelt DFK. Little did I know of the unexpected twist that was about to take place. Just as I was beginning to settle down and get into a groove with Ingrid, one of my friends discreetly told the DJ that it was my birthday (yes, it actually was). The DJ promptly gave me a shoutout over the mic (which caught me off guard as I had no idea what my friend had done) and then appropriately played the Boss, “Born in the U.S.A.” Now imagine this: every one of the 14 working girls at that moment (luckily there were only two other customers in there other than the three of us) jumping up and down while frolicking over to surround you. Now close your eyes and imagine them all caressing you, kissing you, rubbing against you, dancing with you, trying to get their hands in your robe, putting your hands on (and in) all of their bodyparts… smacking bunda, tops off with breasts being smothered into your face… WOW! Even now it still seems like a dream to me. I thought to myself, this is what a Hefner party MUST be like. I nearly had a heart attack out of the sheer excitement alone. When Bruce Springsteen finished, they all remained around me and in unison tried to the best of their ability to sing “Happy Birthday” to me in English. I still remember their cute little faces… some smiling, some confused (cause they couldn’t remember the words), some with weird facial expressions and gesticulations as they over-emphasized the words/syllables to try to get them to sound right, and some just taking the easy road by simply giving me kisses and sucking on my neck. Overall, it was definitely one of the most memorable moments I will ever have in life. When they were finished singing, everyone single one of them gave me a kiss! Now THAT is Rio! My buddies then came over with drinks for us, Ingrid and their girls. The DJ took it to a serious hip-hop/funk set and we all got lost in the music, dance and sensual caressing for a while. Ingrid, Baby, Cris, Sheila, Michelle, Boneca are the names that I remember from our semi-private party.

When things settled down a little afterwards, I resumed drinks and conversation with Ingrid while also flirting with some of the other girls. My buddies were disappearing intermittently with the girls for both sessions and food (which they serve in another room). I also had the pleasure of meeting fellow board member GENGHOIS when he came in. A very cool guy and quite funny! I later watched Ingrid do her strip dance which I’ve been told by others is one of the best in Copa. When she was done, I had seen and felt enough. She looked right, she moved right, she was right! I wasted no more time. We did two 45 minute back breaking sessions that included everything down to me adorning her with a pearl necklace on the last shot. We also exchanged contact information and negotiated dates/ rates for two TLN’s later that week. We stayed until this fine establishment closed for the night. I was happy. I was spent. I was content. I had found the perfect ten from Help that my friend’s told me about, OR SO I THOUGHT…

*NOTE: The sisters were awesome, like tag team wrestling. They barely gave me a minute to breathe. I affectionately refer to them as the vampires as it was kind of like the Keanu Reeves scene in Bram Stoker’s Dracula. They licked and sucked every square inch of my body, with a lot of “pleasurable pain”, while never leaving my member unattended. Something warm and wet was always engulfing it! They paid sufficient attention to each other as well (further fueling my doubt of their sisterhood) but never left me out of the action or wanting. These girls represented the GDP dupla market exceptionally well. However, it sadly ended after our second TLN when one of the sister’s was accidentally “ripped” a little during activity. She took it in stride but the blood stains on the sheets were the last swan song for me…

[George90]

What's an espanhola you ask?

It's screwing the girl between the breasts hopefully resulting in a cim or giving her a pearl necklace.

Shemp

I heard that was called a 'White Russian'. I guess something was lost in the translation.

[Jose Lima]

It was not long ago, actually last year that we mongers were not happy when the exchange rate was in the $2.50R range. Now is down $.40 cents since then and I miss that $2.50R range as much as I miss my favorite GDP. If I had a choice between the my favorite GDP and getting the $2.50R range back, I am taking the money ALL the time. LOL My GDP comes and goes between citys, with that exchange rate I can find another who is just as good or better because its Rio, "The marvelous city and capital of 10's"! I am looking forward to the rate going back up because it will be a mad party again. Only this time from all the info on this board, I am spending 80% or more of the cash in Centro!


I love the falling dollar. It weeds a lots of the value traveling mongers out of the clubs. It sends all the baby ballers packing there bags, and the prices of puntang actually go down. The clubs are not busting at the seams with overpaying gringos. So fall oh mighty dollar fall

[SlickdySlick]

Good Call Jose also muy brother diversivify your funds. Take money you know you are going to spend in Rio and convert to Pounds as early as you can. Cause them you are betting Pound to Real not Dollar to real. And the the pound to Real rate can shift up to 30% over the course of a year. Get in and get out at the right time you could make up to 25-27% after the fees!

[Bravo]

I love the falling dollar. It weeds a lots of the value traveling mongers out of the clubs. It sends all the baby ballers packing there bags, and the prices of puntang actually go down. The clubs are not busting at the seams with overpaying gringos. So fall oh mighty dollar fall


Please share with the board!! Just where is the price of of the women going down? I want to go there!!!

[Rio Bob]

I love the falling dollar. It weeds a lots of the value traveling mongers out of the clubs. It sends all the baby ballers packing there bags, and the prices of puntang actually go down. The clubs are not busting at the seams with overpaying gringos. So fall oh mighty dollar fall
To a certain degree your post is true. I was in Rio recently and noticed that the demographics of the Rio tourist has changed somewhat from recent years. For example in recent years you could never get a table in Meia Pataca at most any time of the day, this past trip I got a table at any time of day including peak times. I understand that the management of Meia Pataca is a little perplexed by this shift as they had spent plenty of money recently to give the place a much needed facelift. They also in recent years increased their prices as it seemed they had a new captive audience but in this last trip I did not see that recently new captive audience in force as it has been, it was very different. Talking about prices, one day I had lunch in Meia Pataca and another day I had lunch in The Office. I remember saying to myself how the quality in both places was just mediocre and the prices were high for what I got. The next day I had lunch in Leblon and I remember saying to myself how the quality of the food was superior to both The Office and Meia Pataca and it was about half the price. Outside the tourist area you will get much more value for your dollar.

Same thing in Help the demographics had changed and the music was more Trance/Techno like it was years ago.

My daily budget was about 300 dollars a day, you throw in an apartment with that and airfare, your talking a 10 day trip about $4500 dollars. Not chump change but as you said may weed out the value tourist, because Rio is no longer a value destination but it is still a helluva destination.

As far as the price of Puntang actually going down, well I was there one week before Carnaval and although some girls initially did quote 500 reais I had most girls for TLN for 200 and 150 reais and they were all very nice and GFE. I did not see many girls hold out for the big score as in recent years, if you said 200 for TLN they took it right away.

[Bubba Boy]

The falling dollar has certainly made things more expensive. However my experience has been the more I go there the less money I spend. Avoiding the western prices in the tourist places is the best way to save cash, I also find the quality in these places is very ordinary. More knowledge equals less cash outlay. The dollar falling more would not worry me to much. Having said that I am thinking the dollar will recover on the next year or 2.

[Veterano]

This is heresy and the price police are on their way, no doubt, to bust us all ~ but I agree, there is a silver lining to the Dollar crash

For example, you no longer have the guides and their posses standing around in the middle of L'huomo or 4x4 sucking up all the oxygen

I also don't miss the tables of 6 to 10 guys sucking up all the oxygen in Meia Pattaca

You don't walk into Monte Carlo to find all the bench seating taken up with rows of guys

I could go on

Things could be worse

Veterano

[Java Man]

Unfortunately for me, Rio is the ONLY destination.
I'm certain the dollar will eventually rise. However, I can see it falling below R2.00 in the near future.
How will you guys feel if it hits a low of R1.50 or less?
(I heard from some old timers of a time when the exchange rate was 1 to 1!!)
Me?....I'll be crying all the way from the ATM machine.

At what rate are the cambios and Help exchanging?
BTW, R2.07 today at the Citibank ATM.

[Trippleecks]

The Dollar will NOT go below 2 to 1 because the Central Bank in Brazil will never allow that to happen... They will do whatever is necessay to keep it above 2 to 1....

[Rio Bob]

(I heard from some old timers of a time when the exchange rate was 1 to 1!!)


This is so funny, old timers. Yes when I returned to Rio after ten years back in 1997 the Real was 1 to 1 more or less, The Brazilian government intervened to keep the Real pegged to the dollar. My impression at the time was that Rio was so expensive since I had been there last in the 80's. I also noticed that there were not that many Americans there or many mongers. To give you an example when I went to Monte Carlo Termas I was some type of novelty that I spoke English, they didn't see too many Americans there.

This was 10 years ago, add inflation to the Brazilian economy and the fact that we are only getting 2 real to the dollar and again we have a very expensive Brasil, maybe even more expensive than 10 years ago because of inflation, I would imagine inflation has been more than 100% in 10 years.

Lets see what happens, Rio may be in a transition phase and there may be a lag now with supply and demand. Right now I think the supply of girls is greater than the demand from mongers but sooner or later that will change as the girls from all over Brasil don't think its worth travelling all that distance to come across once in a while 150 reais for TLN. The supply will dry up too, not completely of course but could be less than today.

[El Greco]

The Dollar will NOT go below 2 to 1 because the Central Bank in Brazil will never allow that to happen... They will do whatever is necessay to keep it above 2 to 1....

Maybe not.

But prices as of Nov/06 were up 20-25% compared to Apr/06.

The only thing I managed to get same price was my 3month car rental at Fortaleza. Apartment was up 23%.

So it comes to the same result. Brasil has become expensive.


El Greco

[Bubba Boy]

I disagree that the supply of GDP's willd dry up. In Rio alone there is 10million + people within a 100 km radius. Over half these people would earn only the minimum wage. That is about R400 per month. R150 is still a lot of money to a young girl that may not even have a job and has a child - old mother to support.

Yes the hotter chics have options, like going to Europe, but they will need to work first to get enough funds to get there.

[George90]

Good Call Jose also muy brother diversivify your funds. Take money you know you are going to spend in Rio and convert to Pounds as early as you can. Cause them you are betting Pound to Real not Dollar to real. And the the pound to Real rate can shift up to 30% over the course of a year. Get in and get out at the right time you could make up to 25-27% after the fees!

That is correct only if you assume that the dollar to pound exchange rate is not also falling.

There is a concept in trading called arbitrage. It relates to earning a profit by buying something cheap in one place and selling it for a higher price in another place. The end result is that in the place where you are buying prices go up, while in the place where you are selling prices go down. Your profit eventually evaporates.

Since traders have computer programs to identify arbitrage opportunites and AUTOMATICALLY execute trades to exploit the profit opportunity, there is now NO WAY to gain by doing what you suggest. It will simpy cause the dollar to pound rate to fall.

[George90]

The Dollar will NOT go below 2 to 1 because the Central Bank in Brazil will never allow that to happen... They will do whatever is necessay to keep it above 2 to 1....

Let's hope so!

But the problem is that Brazil is not the only player in this game. The US is also a player. The US has an incentive to keep the dollar low so that Brazilian exports are expensive to us, and our exports are cheap to them. Bush is already on record as saying a low dollar will not hurt the US because it stimulates exports and job creation in the export sector.

So who do think will win that game? The US or Brazil?

[Jose Lima]

This is heresy and the price police are on their way, no doubt, to bust us all ~ but I agree, there is a silver lining to the Dollar crash

For example, you no longer have the guides and their posses standing around in the middle of L'huomo or 4x4 sucking up all the oxygen

I also don't miss the tables of 6 to 10 guys sucking up all the oxygen in Meia Pattaca

You don't walk into Monte Carlo to find all the bench seating taken up with rows of guys

I could go on

Things could be worse

Veterano

This is exactley what i was trying to get at with my post. I love it when the doller is weak. It leaves all the top quality for the pickings. The guys that were there when it was 3.5 to 1 have gone. I have 5 friends in my city that i know that have stopped going. Imagine the chain reaction around the US. Its great for the true monger, not the weekend worrior.

I first went to Rio in 1998 and it was like 1.3 to 1 dollar. I had a great time. It was not like it is now with 1:1 ratios in help. The weeker the dollar the more brazilans, because negociations go from dollars to reis. The brazilians always have the keen ability to push prices to the $R100-$R150 all night range and i think it benifits everybody.

[Zimroel]

I'm actually in vacation in Rio for 15 days. I went almosy every night to Help but took only 4 girls.

The first one was Rose-Angela a very beatiful petite black girl. We agreed on 200 reals for the night. It was 3 days before carnaval. At my apartment she wanted to be paid first. I said later (read BubbaBoy guide). Ok we fuck one (no anal as agreed). Later she became very bitchy, wanted to be paid, still arguing. I gave her 150 reals and told her to get out.

The second one was Jacqueline. She's not very beautiful, I wanted a big girl. The problem was her belly, an horrible cesarienne. We fuck once, anal and I paid her. There was no problem for me that she left at 6 because I really didn't like her belly. Brrr !

The 3rd one was meline (I'll post a photo on the photo section). It was carnaval time and we agreed on 300 reals (no anal). The entrance at that time was 50 reals. It was a wonderful session but we fucked only one. She didn't want to fuck in the morning. I paid her in the morning. She stayed a little bit with me and went to her home mid-afternoon to sleep.

My biggest deception was Juliana a girl from Sao Paulo. She's a petite blonde, qute big. She has a nice face but the body doesn't follow. She told me nobody like her. She paid 40 reals twice to get in Help with no guys at the end. She came to Rio to make money during the brasilian vacation. I had some pity. Nobody would pick her up. We agreed on 220 reals (it was after carnaval, 23 reals before midnight to get in Help). At the apartment she wanted to be paid first. By the fuck I didn't really want to do her, I took her by pity, I tod her ok I give you 50 reals and you leave. No she wanted to stay but still be paid first. It kept going for 25 minutes. So after I told her to leave, she finally said ok but after 25 minutes I could do nothing sexual with her now. She still wanted to stay and I told her "Get the fuck out of here". She said ok, she had a beginning of tears. She told me in her approximative english "For you money is not important but for me it is as I don't have it". I've never felt so low and so bad in my life. She left (with 50 reals).

I don't like the Help system. Girls have to pay the Help entrance. It's shitty, they get in debt first.

I also talked to other girls. One wanted 550 euros. Ah! Ah!
I met only one girl doing anal.

Plus girls at Help are not that great. I had much more fun in the thermas. I think thermas are as good as the FKKs in germany. Girls are a little less baeutiful but anal is standard.

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[RonnyRon]

I guess I am a old timer now too. LOL! My first trip was in 1997 and the real was 1.15 to the dollar. I went during Carnival. The first and only time I have been to Rio during Carnival. At that time the government artificially inflated the value of the Real. In 1998 because of their debt they had no choice, but to allow the Real to float in the open market. Back then most if not all the Americans were older, retired gentlemen. Of all the guys I met I was the youngest guy there and I was 32. Back then few Americans visited Rio and we were hotly sought after. The girl literally treated us like Kings. I remember a girl I had just met feeding me desert with a spoon at Mabs. Sounds like things are swinging back the other way and I not sad. Glad to hear the termas have less guys. Hope this affects the apartment rates in a positive way. If not, I will still make it down.

RR

[Prosal]

Seems that most of you never experienced the good old days of the bundles of Cruzados Novos and Cruzeiros, when Brasil was dirt cheap, foreigners in Rio few and Help still a trendy middle-class disco filled wall-to-wall with willing regulars cuties, most VERY eager to meet gringos ...


;)

[Dutch44]

Unfortunately for me, Rio is the ONLY destination.

I'm certain the dollar will eventually rise. However, I can see it falling below R2.00 in the near future.

How will you guys feel if it hits a low of R1.50 or less?

(I heard from some old timers of a time when the exchange rate was 1 to 1!!)

Me?....I'll be crying all the way from the ATM machine.

At what rate are the cambios and Help exchanging?

BTW, R2.07 today at the Citibank ATM.I just checked the Euro against the dollar. The average rate now is about 2.7 to the Real. I think that means that in Rio we will get about 2.4 when we buy Reais with Euros. It seems to specifically be the dollar that is falling. I sure hope that for you guys the US dollar will be going up sometime this year.

Dutch44

[Rio Bob]

Seems that most of you never experienced the good old days of the bundles of Cruzados Novos and Cruzeiros, when Brasil was dirt cheap, foreigners in Rio few and Help still a trendy middle-class disco filled wall-to-wall with willing regulars cuties, most VERY eager to meet gringos ...


;)

Yes I remember those days when you can buy Cruzeiros from just about anybody in Rio like the bell boy in a hotel and all the jewelry stores like today. Only difference was you got a 30 - 40 % better rate from these guys compared to the official rate of the day. Boy I miss those days, Rio was really cheap.

[Sui Generis]

Seems that most of you never experienced the good old days of the bundles of Cruzados Novos and Cruzeiros
;)


I do remember that glorious era. In fact, when I made my first trip to Brazil, in 1982 at the tender age of 24, the Falkland war was raging between Great Britain and Argentina. Incidently my favorite spot then (besides Barbarella, Frank's and Erotika) was a very small boate named Malvinas (which is the latin name for Falkland).

For US$100 you could almost spend two days with a garota. Termas l''Uomo was 2 years old and there was a termas just besides Stern (I don't remember the name of the place however).

As you said, there were few American tourists then, more Europeans (mostly from Switzerland, Germany and, of course, Italy). American tourists were easy to spot. I remember eavesdropping a conversation between an american tourist and a garota in a boate: The girl was saying «Tudo bem?» «Tudo bem?» and the poor guy, almost in despair, was answering back («My name?» «My name?») Didn't help the moron, there's few occasions when a Canadian can make fun of an American. LoL...

Tivoly attraction Park (Lagoa Rodrigo Freitas) was still in activity, crime rate was not rampant as today. I left the city in 1986 because of the inflation.
It's a question of time, but I'll come back to Rio one day. I have a love and hate relationship with the city now...for me there's too many tourists. So, in a certain sense, I won't cry if the american dollar decline because if there is a thing that I cannot stand is unilingual and bigot american tourists. Lol...

[El Austriaco]

I don't like the Help system. Girls have to pay the Help entrance. It's shitty, they get in debt first.
You almost make it sound like Help practices debt bondage.

Well, it's simple: girls have a CHOICE whether they want go gamble R$ 22/R$ 32 on the chance that they find a gringo in Help who pays more to make it worthwile for them. Clearly, there are girls who are willing to take that risk, others won't. Those who don't, you will find in front of Help, or at Meia Pataca all day long, or at Balcony, and tons of other different places. It's really not like Help is the only game in town.

Needless to say, picking up a girl in Help is gonna cost more just because of the entrance fee. This is really a no-brainer.

EA

[Prosal]

I do remember that glorious era.

... when the Varig Airpass was a one-month-unlimited-coupons pass, so you could suntan on Boa Viagem in Recife in the afternoon, leave to Fortaleza in the evening to party all night, take a morning flight to Sao Luis to rest a bit before spending a frenzy week in Belem, going back to Salvador to chill down in Itaparica, ect, ect !!

That glorious era when Brasil was the true Eldorado of the Gold Pussy .... and Copacabana not yet the nest of vipers it is now.


;) :)

[Curry]

Dont be so hard on yourself! Given the fact that with the current exchange rate you were "helping" them by providing 2 times as much as they should have recieved in the 1st place, you shouldnt have felt bad.I think most of us fell for the favela slum story or my ailing mother needs money etc. at some point. Harden your heart and have fun. You will not regret it. If you opt not to be a little more stern then you could wind up paying for it. Literally.

[Hadji Singh]

I visited the Wiskeria Manhattan located at Rua do Carmo, #64 in Centro area (2221-3659). That night the women ranged from above average to stunning! Monte Carlo had a few beauty queens but the rest seemed average. I read that Centaurus has beauties. Does anyone have a suggestion for a escort service in Rio? I reviewed www.sexyrj.com and the models seem too good to be true.

[Java Man]

For those arriving late to the party:
I had to look this up as I had no idea what a cruzeiro or cruzado was.

1942 the cruzeiro becomes the currency, replacing the old reis or mil reis.
1967 three zeros are dropped and the cruzeiro becomes the cruzeiro novo.
1970 the cruzeiro novo is renamed simply cruzeiro.
1986 three zeros are dropped and the cruzeiro becomes the cruzado.
1989 three more zeros are dropped and the cruzado becomes the cruzado novo.
1990 the cruzado novo is renamed the cruzeiro with no change in value.
1993 three zeros are dropped from the cruzeiro which becomes known as the cruzeiro real.
1994 the cruzero real is replaced by the real, worth 2.75 old cruzeiros reais.
BTW,
Reis =Kings,
Mil Reis = Thousand Kings,
Crosses =Cruziero,
New Crosses = Novo Cruziero,
Crusades = Cruzado,
New Crusades = Novo Cruzado,
Royal Crosses = Cruzero Real,
Royals = Real
Real can be translated as either "real" or "royal".

And if you have 100,000 cruzeiros and asking how much its worth today..........NOTHING!

I found all of this at:

http://www.brazilbrazil.com/inflat.html

I humorous look ar Brazil's currency and inflation, written in 2004.

[SlickdySlick]

George90,

I posted the real numbers in the genral section already. This is not theory I did this already with money I was leaving Brazil with last year. I dont know anything about arbitrage but I do know if you left Brazil last year and coverted your money to pound instead of dollar and the fact the dollar went down compared to the Real and the pound went up compared to the Real you had no choice but to make money thats just simple math.

I am looking forward to this year with none of the Baby Ballers being there. I live closer to Bankok and the prices are super low there but something always makes me fly back to Brazil!!!

[Patata Chips]

I was in Rio for carneval, how rise the price up?

Why the girls ask 300 to 500 under reais? YOu now if this girls go to a normal work they can have no more of 500 reais for month? Most of them came from favela or poor place of the interior lands, why you pay 400 reais for this girls? Because you do only one in your entire vacation, and after the quality is realy bad, because you pay first, only 1 time in the hour, no bunda, whit camisinha, the worst p4p I have do. I take 3 girls from terraco atlantico, I don't remeber the name, 2 black hair from belo horizonte and 1 fake blond frome recife, the blond is realy nice but whorst fuck. The first black hair from belo stay all the time out of the entrance 1. 70 whit out high hells, 150 reais 1 hour 3 times, body 7 face 6 work 6, 2 black hair is going around of the terraco atlantico, face 7 body 6 work 6, the blond face 7 body 7 work 4. I have some experience whit the agency where the quality of the girls are a little low, but the work is realy good www.luxortopmodels.com I was whit jasmine, natasha, lorena, pamela, best quality/price.

I was whit a escort Line, a little fat for my taste but I can say the best encounter I have in this vacation, 1 hour 100 reais 3 times, cim, gfe, come on face, bjbb.

face 6
body 5
fuck 8

I hope this help, if some one need information send me a message, at the end if you wanna go to brasil, go for vacation, not for fuck, the best place for fuck p4p is germany, no one can beat FKK, you know what you pay, you know what you get.

[Mr Enternational]

I'm actually in vacation in Rio for 15 days. I went almosy every night to Help but took only 4 girls.

At the apartment she wanted to be paid first. By the fuck I didn't really want to do her, I took her by pity, I tod her ok I give you 50 reals and you leave. No she wanted to stay but still be paid first. It kept going for 25 minutes. So after I told her to leave, she finally said ok but after 25 minutes I could do nothing sexual with her now. She still wanted to stay and I told her "Get the fuck out of here". She said ok, she had a beginning of tears. She told me in her approximative english "For you money is not important but for me it is as I don't have it". I've never felt so low and so bad in my life. She left (with 50 realsWhy did you feel bad? That is 50 more reais than she would have gotten from me for just walking me home.

[George90]

George90,

I posted the real numbers in the genral section already. This is not theory I did this already with money I was leaving Brazil with last year. I dont know anything about arbitrage but I do know if you left Brazil last year and coverted your money to pound instead of dollar and the fact the dollar went down compared to the Real and the pound went up compared to the Real you had no choice but to make money thats just simple math.

I understood you to be suggesting you could make a gain in the future by switching from dollars to pounds. That you made a gain in the past was the result of holding an asset (the pound) while it increased in value. There is no guarantee that you (or anyone else) will repeat that in the future.

If you were just relating your past experience, then congratulations on your success.

[Ricton]

Hi, Guys. Just joined the site and wanted to say Hi, to all.

Done Rio a couple of times and found the reports very interesting reading! Next time there I'll definately do things different. I'm one of those klutzes who stayed with the same girl all the time. Twice for two weeks. Yes, I got my head bent out of shape. I realise now these girls will tell you anything, (especially what you want to hear! ) to keep you on the hook. I'm so glad I found this site, got reality back again! Cheers!

So, whats the name for a guy who thinks the GDP he's with really deoes like him? Come on, there must be something the girls call us! Lets himself get totally milked, LOL!

[Termas Time]

Hi everyone,

I will be travelling to Rio in a week and wanted to know from some of the regulars how they would currently rank the Centro termases. I haven't been here in a couple of years, but during my last visit I went to both 4x4 and 65 and had a great time. I have seen recent reports that 4x4 continues to be good but the talent at 65 has fallen off (it was great a few years ago). Excluding 4x4 which most would consider the best, how would the vets rate other termases such as 65, Cancun, 502, Aquarius, Aeroporto, or any other termas?

I plan on hitting a bunch of these places with my brother (his first visit) and will try to report back. Thanks.

Termas Time

[Sui Generis]

So, whats the name for a guy who thinks the GDP he's with really deoes like him? Come on, there must be something the girls call us!


Three possible answers:

1) Otário : stupid, innocent.

2) BOP : (Baba Ovo de Puta) ou babaovismo. Litteraly: baba = dribble/ovo = egg/ puta = *****. But in that case «baba» is a metaphor to designate a person opening his mouth in sign of admiration. Thus, a BOP is a riducule (and gullible) lover falling in love with a *****, a kind of «lisonjeador» or «lambe-botas», a bootlicker.

3) A gringo! LOL

[Ricton]

I'm sure there's a few more of us who've fallen under the spell, been charmed by the exotic bonita!

I won't elaborate here but she was good as gold. Perfect companian 24/7.

Anyway, reading all the reports about the dangers of falling for these girls put it all into perspective. Thanks.

Lessons learnt. The girls are out to hoover your wallet, but I really enjoyed every minute!

[Full Throttle]

Hi everyone,

Excluding 4x4 which most would consider the best, how would the vets rate other termases such as 65, Cancun, 502, Aquarius, Aeroporto, or any other termas?

Termas Time

They all suck on Sunday and that's what day I'll be there next...

My order of preference NOT inclusive of price:

1. Cancun
2. Aquarius
3. 4X4
4. 502

Never been past receptionists at Aeroporto or 65

My order INCLUSIVE of price:

1. Aquarius
2. 502
3. Cancun
4. 4x4

My only problem with 502 is that the girls don't seem enthusiastic to deal with non-Portogese speakers. 4X4 is fine before the crowd hits. Cancun is a nice mix of space and people. Aquarius is populated with a disproportionate number of young, fit girls.

FT

[Bubba Boy]

Aquarius is populated with a disproportionate number of young, fit girls.FT

I am so there on the next visit................

[Termas Time]

Thanks FT,

I am somewhat surprised by your rankings, but since I have never been to any of them besides 4x4 and 65 that is why I asked. If I may ask when was the last time you hit Cancun and Aquarius? Your rankings have definately put them on my must-see list, I had already planned on 502 and 4x4. Thanks again.

Termas Time

[Combo]

What and where is Aquarius? I was just there in January for my 11th visit and I've never come across this place. Oh well, just an excuse to return soon.

[Full Throttle]

That's sorta why I posted, since my view may be considered a bit contrarian...

Aquarius, 502 & 4X4 last month, Cancun about 5 months ago. Again, never been all the way in 65 or Aeroporto



Thanks FT,

I am somewhat surprised by your rankings, but since I have never been to any of them besides 4x4 and 65 that is why I asked. If I may ask when was the last time you hit Cancun and Aquarius? Your rankings have definately put them on my must-see list, I had already planned on 502 and 4x4. Thanks again.

Termas Time

[Combo]

Aquarius? Never heard of this Terma.

[Mr Enternational]

I'm one of those klutzes who stayed with the same girl all the time. Twice for two weeks. Yes, I got my head bent out of shape. I realise now these girls will tell you anything, (especially what you want to hear! ) to keep you on the hook. I'm so glad I found this site, got reality back again! Cheers!

So, whats the name for a guy who thinks the GDP he's with really deoes like him? Come on, there must be something the girls call us! Lets himself get totally milked, LOL!First of all, welcome to the site.

I like to call those guys suckers. Don't get me wrong. GDPs are human too and are fully capable of liking a customer or two. But if you really want to test the waters tell them you don't have any money. Then you will see how much and if they really do like U. (I will elaborate in the following post.)

But in your situation the girl was the perfect companion, and it seems that is what you were paying her for, a two-week-long GFE. In that case fair exchange is no robbery. Most mongerers, though, like to get a sample of every item from the buffet when they are abroad. Otherwise, it is not really worth the trip. You decided to get full off the salad appetizer and didn't save room for the main course or dessert.

Like I have said many times before, you need to initially establish yourself as a butterfly, player, or safado (whatever terminology you wish to use.) Then the girls will know to not even attempt to latch on to U. Most guys fall into the problem when they see the big butt and the smile and they want to be all lovey dovey. You have to talk to other chicks in front of her, because you are a player and you don't give a damn. Remember that she needs money from U. And for you the pussy supply is damn near bottomless. So you are in the catbird seat by default.

Then when you do find time (when it is convienient for you, not her) to fuck her, pay her and make her hit the road. Don't allow her to wear your t-shirt or hang out with you at the beach the next day. That is when both of you get comfortable with each other. Especially her. 9 times out of 10 the crib where you are staying beats the bat shit out of the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) hole she lives in. I mean if I'm living in the projects and someone offers to pay me to take a weekend getaway at Club Med do I really have to think about my answer?

Player, player, play on!

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[Mr Enternational]

Subject: the end is near!

>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:32:54 -0800 (PST)
>
>saw the beginning of the end yeasterday. i was in 4x4 and some american
was
>actually sticking 5 and 10R bills in the g-string of one of the girls
>dancing on stage!! in about 5 minutes he had her ruined and spoiled.
he
>stuck a 2R bill in her g-string and she took it out and threw it back
at
>him. of course she was only joking because she proceeded to go get the
2R
>bill. FELLAS PLEASE!!!! leave our bad american practices back in
america.
>before you know it girls will not dance on stage unless we tip them and

>they'll be doing 20R table dances where we can't touch them!!. let's
just
>keep brazil Brazilian .

[Full Throttle]

Subject: the end is near!

>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:32:54 -0800 (PST)
>
>saw the beginning of the end yeasterday. i was in 4x4 and some american
was
>actually sticking 5 and 10R bills in the g-string of one of the girls
>dancing on stage!! in about 5 minutes he had her ruined and spoiled.
he
>stuck a 2R bill in her g-string and she took it out and threw it back
at
>him. of course she was only joking because she proceeded to go get the
2R
>bill. FELLAS PLEASE!!!! leave our bad american practices back in
america.
>before you know it girls will not dance on stage unless we tip them and

>they'll be doing 20R table dances where we can't touch them!!. let's
just keep brazil Brazilian .

I can deal with the guys that spend a fortune on Help girls. As I've mentioned before, there is some value in that. Girls come play the lottery hoping to win the grand prize, but I'm the $5 ticket that allows them to keep playing.

BUT, the $$ in the G-string is UNACCEPTABLE. And not because it may cost us $1 bills to see the girls up close. It's because the profound difference between Brazil and Argentina compared to Latin and North America is that South American girls expect to earn 100% of their money in the cabina. Everything else they do is designed to make that happen!

I was in Guyaquil, Ecuador the other day. Girls in the clubs there are constantly thinking of ways to get an extra dollar here and there for minimal effort. Personally, I blame the Colombians who have populated much of the world with (beautiful) money-mongering, manipulative hoes.

So, I say we don't let that go unchecked. I promise I'll say something if I see that happening. A change in culture will lead to girls concentrating on selling the tease rather than teasing to sell.

[Sui Generis]

What and where is Aquarius? I was just there in January for my 11th visit and I've never come across this place. Oh well, just an excuse to return soon.

Combo,

Here's a list, from my personal files, of all the termas in Rio de Janeiro. I think it's still up to date.

Enjoy yourself!

TERMAS CENTAURUS
44 rua Canning Ipanema
Phone: 21 2267-5941.
R$ 290

TERMAS L’UOMO
143, rua Siqueira Campos. 2nd Floor Mezzanine 15 to 25 in the Shopping Center Copacabana
http://www.luomo.com.br/
Schedule: From Monday to Friday, 4pm to 2am.
Saturday and Sunday: 4pm to 0am
R$250
(Entrance fee = R$50 + R$ 60 room (40min) + R$ 140 garota)


TERMAS RIO ANTIGO
2 & 4 rua Rua Joaquim Silva (in Glória)
Phone: 21 2224-9591
http://www.rioantigo.com.br/index2.php



Termas 21
21 rua Beco das Cancelas
Entrance Fee : R$ 20,00
Programas
20 MINUTES: R$ 90,00
40 MINUTES; R$ 110,00
60 MINUTES: R$ 130,00.


TERMAS SOLARIUM
21,rua J. J. Seabra, 21 - Jardim Botânico
Phone : 21 2274-2741 / 21 2294-6599
Entrance Fee: R$60
Room: R$ 60
Garotas: R$ 120
Total: R$240/40 minutes
Site: http://www.solarium.com.br



TERMAS LA PALACE (ex- Club 25)
25, rua do mercado Centro
200R$


TERMAS MONTE CARLO
19 rua Hilário de Gouvêia, Copacabana
Phone: `21 2255-4489.
Entrance Fee: R$ 50,00
Room: R$ 50,00
Programa 40min: R$ 100,00
Total R$ 200,00.
Site: http://www.termasmontecarlo.com.br


TERMAS 4X 4
44, rua Buenos Aires (Centro)
Phone : 21 2283-1009
200R$


TERMAS 65
65, rua do Rosário - Centro
Phone: 2203-1338
Entrance Fee : R$55
Total: R$305,00
Site: http://www.termas65.com.br


Termas Aeroporto
216, Av. Beira mar, Centrro
Entrance Fee : R$ 60,00
Garotas: R$ 160 (room 40 min) or R$ 220 (suíte 1 h)
Room: R$ 60,00 (cabine) or R$ 90,00 (suíte)


TERMAS CANCUN
44 Rua do Carmo, 64
Phone 2232-6381
Site: http://www.clubcancun.com.br/home.html
180R$


TERMAS ANCORA DO RECREIO
Av. Das Américas 13.081 km14
http://www.ancoradorecreio.com.br/principal1.asp
150R$


TERMAS AQUARIUS
61, rua do Acre, 61 - Centro
Phone: 2516-3535
Site: http://www.termasaquarius.com.br/principal.asp
145R$


TERRMAS 81 (ex Quitandinha American bar)
81, rua da Quitandinha (Centro)
120R$
30 min $R 70,
1h $R 110,
40 min R$90,


TERMAS 31
31 rua Alcântara Machado (Centro)
Phone: 21 2516-8329
Garotas 120R$
Entrance 6R$


TERMAS 502
65, rua da Alfândega, Centro
120R$

Termas Caribean Queen
604 rua Nossa Senhora das Graças (Ramos)
Phone: 21 2573-6441
Entrance Fee R$ 15,00
Garotas : R$ 80,00 – 40 minutes
R$ 100,00. – 1 hour


TERMAS 191
191, rua Santana (Centro)
Entrance fee : R$ 10,00
Garotas : R$ 100,00 – 1 hour


TERMAS Black House
73, rua Haddock Lobo (Estácio)
Entrance Fee: 10R$
Garotas: 50R$ ½ h.

[SlickdySlick]

Strange as it was what do you do in the situation? How do you approach that guy and get him to stop. Cause stuff like that is just totally unacceptable. Even when the guys pays the stunners in Help pisses me off. Highest I ever gave a stunner was $R300.00 and I regretted it.

[Jose Lima]

Hi, Guys. Just joined the site and wanted to say Hi, to all.

Done Rio a couple of times and found the reports very interesting reading! Next time there I'll definately do things different. I'm one of those klutzes who stayed with the same girl all the time. Twice for two weeks. Yes, I got my head bent out of shape. I realise now these girls will tell you anything, (especially what you want to hear! ) to keep you on the hook. I'm so glad I found this site, got reality back again! Cheers!

So, whats the name for a guy who thinks the GDP he's with really deoes like him? Come on, there must be something the girls call us! Lets himself get totally milked, LOL!


I always liked "gringo banana" Or "papa noel"

[Full Throttle]

Strange as it was what do you do in the situation? How do you approach that guy and get him to stop. Cause stuff like that is just totally unacceptable. Even when the guys pays the stunners in Help pisses me off. Highest I ever gave a stunner was $R300.00 and I regretted it.

I think I'll wait till he's done, then just tell him that, he can do whatever he wants, but this is one of the last places on earth where tipping dancers is not the norm, and it would be sad if we exported the practice. Then, play it by ear...

S.G. Nice, current rundown of the Termas. A couple of questions:

1. I didn't realize Monte Carlo was still only 200R all-in. I thought it was more like 250R, but they often have email/internet specials. Hope you're right...

2. Almost went into 81 a couple of months ago. How do you like that one compared to the others?

3. I THINK (not sure) the price you quote for Aquarius is the 60 minute price. Last month, I remember paying 110R + 10R cover for the 40-minute session. Not picking hairs, but just for even comparison sake.

FT

[Bravo]

Monte Carlos is much closer to 300R, than 200R.

[Bubba Boy]

The list is an excellent one, well worth printing it and systematically visting each place. Having said this, the prices on a lot of places is a little off. Use the pricing as a guide only.

Monte is R250 (40 minute session)
T65 was R235 (40 minute session)
Cent is R310 (40 minute session), R290 only for Brazilians or gringos that live their.
Solarium is R250 (40 minute session)
4x4 is R185 (40 minute session)

Again, great list, thankyou for posting your personal list of favourite places. I just added some of the price adjustments for sake of accuracy.

[El Austriaco]

Over my years of traveling and mongering, I have identified three ways how so-called "sex workers" can make money:

1) Through outrageus tips, capitalizing on the prospect of sex without every delivering (to use somebody else's words, by putting on the tease): e.g., US strip bars

2) Through a cut on drinks, cashing in on the practice of overpriced "ladies drinks": lots of casas de citas, cantinas, and tables here in Mexico and in many countries in the world (hostess bars, etc.).

3) Actual sexual services.

Of course, these three methods are not mutually exclusive. Still, I have come across quite a bit of girls that actually don't want to provide any sexual services AT ALL and prefer to extract whatever they can using methods 1 and 2. I can't blame them... who wouldn't want money for nothing, or almost nothing?

One of the reasons that I like Rio so much is that the VAST majority of P4P providers there are actually willing to earn there money through honest sexual services rather than tipping and lady drink ripoffs, and that's why I am generally so hard on Carioca places that don't follow that practice (Barbarella's, Frank's, etc.)

Once you meet a provider, I simply recommend you immediately try to determine which of these three methods a girl will rely on to actually get to your money. Once you determine its No. 1 or No. 2, ditch them immediately. Especially in Rio, which is still relatively unspoilt in that respect.

It's easy: as soon as enough guys pay girls for NOTHING, they won't wanna fuck anymore.

This is actually the worst way of overpaying. Someboy slap some sense back into the guy?

EA

[El Austriaco]

Termas Caribean Queen
604 rua Nossa Senhora das Graças (Ramos)
Phone: 21 2573-6441
Entrance Fee R$ 15,00
Garotas : R$ 80,00 – 40 minutes
R$ 100,00. – 1 hour
Uffffffffffffffff, that' s a nasty part of town out by the airport. Anyone actually been there lately?

EA

[Exec Talent]

Does anyone know in Rio where you can find heterosexual glory holes, preferably a "formal" establishment.

Also, other than L'uomo are there any termases that allow women to accompany a man? I called around and the answer was no except for VM30 which my friend did not like.

Thanks!

[Orang05]

While I know Rio very well, this will be my maiden voyage to S.P. (in March). Could any of you give me counsel on two hotels in the Jardins area? I am thinking Mercure S.P. Jardins [2 blocks off Av. Paulista at Almeda Itu 1151, at R. Augusta-Cerquera Cesar). I am reckoning this is nearby the Jardins entertainment and restaurant area? Would you know anything about Isis Sao Paulo Paulista? I cannot get a fix on it, and wonder if it is in/near Jardins district? Any other suggestions of reasonable places. GF would be helpoful, but not absolutely necessary.

Thanks all! I will be happy to share Rio advice with you. I'm in S.P. the week of 19 March amd Rio for the week of 26 Mar. Wingmen welcome!

Obrigado!

[Robert1942]

Anyone have directions to Aquarius from the Metro? Is it located close to 4x4 and the Urugaiana station?

Thanks,

Bob

[Royalflush]

I stayed at the Rennaissance in Jardins once. Very nice, modern hotel, which is girl friendly. They didn't even take an ID from a girl I brought back from Bomboa. I also found the concierge to be quite helpful. You might consider it.

[Combo]

I stayed at the Mercure Jardins in Nov. 05. It's very well located. Very close to the Renaissance, but not nearly as nice or expensive. They charged me for bringing in a chick which I think is unusual for S. P. If you've never been to SP before, you're in for a real treat. The quality/looks of chicks is the best in the world IMO.

[Mr Enternational]

2. Almost went into 81 a couple of months ago. How do you like that one compared to the others?

FTI kinda like 81. Don't expect it to be a 4X4 or anything of that calibre. It is more of an expensive 85. Come to think of it the boite part of 85 is better, but 81 has actual rooms with showers upstairs. You have to pay R$10 when you go in, but you get two drinks with that.

Once I wanted water for my drinks. Why didn't they have any? So one of the girls went to buy water, still for me, and with gas for my friend. We drunk our waters then decided to head upstairs with our girls. After an hour, I came back down and was ready for my second drink, another bottle of still water. Why did they bring me still water that was already opened in a bottle that had the 'with gas' label? So it was obvious that they used an old bottle and filled it with tap water.

So, if you decide to go to 81 watch out for that type of shadiness. They usually have a couple of gems there and not many people know about the place. That is why I like going. But to put everything in perspective, you can go to 81 for an hour and spend 10 to get in and 110 for an hour which adds up to 120. Or for 30 more you can go with a 4X4 stunner for 40 minutes before 5:00.

[Lorenzo]

Does anyone know in Rio where you can find heterosexual glory holes, preferably a "formal" establishment.

Also, other than L'uomo are there any termases that allow women to accompany a man? I called around and the answer was no except for VM30 which my friend did not like.

Thanks!
Solarium has a couples (casais) night twice a week. It's been a while, but I believe the nights are Wednesday and Saturday. I went there once with my then-GF, herself a former GDP, to hook up with a friend of hers for a threesome. This doesn't mean that single guys can't go on these nights as well. In fact, singles comprise the majority of the clientele on these nights. At Solarium, if you go there with a woman you don't have to put on a robe to go in the boite, presumably because your partner doesn't.

I didn't know that L'uomo allowed women at all. For other places, you might check the classificados in O Globo; sometimes termas will advertise a couples night.

I'm not at all sure what you mean by a "heterosexual glory hole." Are you talking about a swingers club? If so, some of them have been listed on this thread.

Lorenzo

[The Watcher]

Solarium has a couples (casais) night twice a week.



As of December 2006, couples night had been discontinued for quite some time.

[Brugal8]

I kinda like 81. Don't expect it to be a 4X4 or anything of that calibre. It is more of an expensive 85. Come to think of it the boite part of 85 is better, but 81 has actual rooms with showers upstairs. You have to pay R$10 when you go in, but you get two drinks with that.

Once I wanted water for my drinks. Why didn't they have any? So one of the girls went to buy water, still for me, and with gas for my friend. We drunk our waters then decided to head upstairs with our girls. After an hour, I came back down and was ready for my second drink, another bottle of still water. Why did they bring me still water that was already opened in a bottle that had the 'with gas' label? So it was obvious that they used an old bottle and filled it with tap water.

So, if you decide to go to 81 watch out for that type of shadiness. They usually have a couple of gems there and not many people know about the place. That is why I like going. But to put everything in perspective, you can go to 81 for an hour and spend 10 to get in and 110 for an hour which adds up to 120. Or for 30 more you can go with a 4X4 stunner for 40 minutes before 5:00.


When you say kind of an expensive 85, what do you mean?

Is there a termas 85?

Can you pass the infos on this 85 place?

[Vwhite]

When you say kind of an expensive 85, what do you mean?

Is there a termas 85?

Can you pass the infos on this 85 place?Rua Buenos Aires, 85 (3rd, 4th and 5th floors) and 113 (2nd floor)

[Sex Passport]

Was Anybody else outside Help last night when Someone threw a bomb/fire cracker (still unknown??) that caused the human tsunami of People stampeding away from the seating & tables area out front?? I know My first time at Help would be exciting, but seeing a wave of hundreds of People surge upturning tables, chairs, planter-pots & nearly knock Me over was certainly unexpected!

Also - am I in Rio or Italy? The Italians both in Rio & Salvador seem to to be jacking up the prices! Is R$300 inside Help the going rate - its seemed to be common rate! No need to reduce rates if the Italians are screwing Us and willing to pay anything!

[El Austriaco]

Also - am I in Rio or Italy? The Italians both in Rio & Salvador seem to to be jacking up the prices! Is R$300 inside Help the going rate - its seemed to be common rate! No need to reduce rates if the Italians are screwing Us and willing to pay anything!
To be perfectly honest, based on my personal experience, I don't think there is one specific nationality (or race, or creed, or whatever) that is jacking up prices or keeping them down.

There are only two groups of mongers: those who overpay and those who don't. Those that RTFF and those who don't. Those who do their research on the general price range and listen to the advice given here on this forum, and those who don't. Those who are not afraid to walk away if a girl is obviously trying to rip you off, and those who get stars in their eyes as soon as a gorgeous woman gives them a bit of attention. None of this has anything to do with nationality or whatever. Only with up-to-date info and know-how.

Of course, depending on exchange rates, Rio might be relatively cheaper for some nationalities than for others at any given point in time, but even that should not matter for the experienced monger who follows one of the most important rules: DON'T think how much the same services cost at home. DON'T think in your home currency. Period.

EA

[Trelele]

Thanks for the report my friend!

Congratulations. Ingrid is really wonderful. Great goal!

[BootyTapper]

To be perfectly honest, based on my personal experience, I don't think there is one specific nationality (or race, or creed, or whatever) that is jacking up prices or keeping them down.

Of course, depending on exchange rates, Rio might be relatively cheaper for some nationalities than for others at any given point in time, but even that should not matter for the experienced monger who follows one of the most important rules: DON'T think how much the same services cost at home. DON'T think in your home currency. Period.

EA

EA I definitely agree with you on this one! Like you I don't think any one nationality is driving prices up or down. Right now Europeans have a better exchange rate with the Real than a US citizen trading the dollar. To me its a personal choice, also it helps if the monger is informed or not. If they are a subscriber to this board or have friends that know the game, no way will they let them pay $300R for a garota to leave Help. I am a rookie on this board, but been to Rio at least 5 times before joining this board. I got schooled by an "OG" on my first trip down, he told me where to stay, where to exchange my dollars to get the best rates, introduced me to other "OG's" who talked to me, and how to play the garota game. This man is now one of my best friends, we talk constantly, and travel to Rio together when we can. It depends on what a monger goes looking for and how schooled he is. If he is looking for love, good luck. If he is looking to play and enjoy the variety, there is no better place in the world. No matter how good the garota looks and how big her ass is, you can get her down from that $300R, especially in Help where garotas outnumber mongers on most nights, its simply the laws of supply and demand in effect. Most garotas will not want to go back home without cash or even be alone that night so they will negotiate. Some garotas know who will pay and who will negotiate, so of course they will run to the easy monger who will overpay. Some garotas may not have the best education or even a basic education, but they are masters at reading mongers. When I am in Help, I read them just as much as they read me.

[Bubba Boy]

Thanks for the PM EA, i would have liked to responded but I got a message stating that "you have exceeded your allowable storage limit", hence you need to clear out some old PM's if you want to receive more.

[RickMe]

Thanks to Bubba Boy's guide I went to Luomo tonight. The place was exactly as described, especially the part about being hard to find when you get there. I went around in circles in the shpping center until a security guard showed me where it was. For those that have not been there, the escalators are on the interior of the shopping center but the entrance is on an exterior hallway facing the street.

After putting on the robe I went in and there were about 20 girls of varying shapes and sizes, but the majority were thin. To my taste, most were about a 7 with four that were 9s. I I sat at the bar with my drink surveying the situation and getting aclimated and I was glad to see the girls were not being pushy. In fact, other than making eye contafct and smiling, I was left completly alone to scope out the scene. Eventually I chose Anita, one of the hotter girls with a very nice butt (though not enormous) and the most amazing pair of real boobs. I could not believe how perfect they were. If they were some kind of world class boob job then I am a convert to fake boobs which I typically dislike.

As far as the service, she was very easy going and made me feel as if I had known her all my life. The sex was good and she either enjoyed it too or faked it to the point of complaining to me when I eventually came after about 20 minutes of various positions ("no don't do that to me"). My only complaint was that she did not do BBBJ. I would definately repeat with her though I would clarify the BBBJ issue. She also gave me her cel number to get together during the day which she said would allow for a much longer session.

Thanks Bubba Boy for your execellent guide. I will be traveling to Brazil regularly and I will continue putting it to good use.

[Abzsafado]

also - am i in rio or italy? the italians both in rio & salvador seem to to be jacking up the prices! is r$300 inside help the going rate - its seemed to be common rate! no need to reduce rates if the italians are screwing us and willing to pay anything!i was out with my gfe and her mate we were chatting about the usual subjects mongers and putas. they both expressed the same opinion on italians, they wanted to pay little and fuck plenty, they were also rather rep001hing of some of their personal hygene habits, showering everyday seems to be too much. its good fun to sit with the girls and have a few beers and a bit of craique, especially if one is trying to work, it gives a bit of an insight into how they select us. sometimes a very high price is quoted to deter an unwanted customer. always remember that for all ladies size is important, but not as important as smell.

[Sex Passport]

You're all correct - it's not just Italians, it's any country lucky enough to have a good conversion rate. It's just that after 2 weeks in Salvador, and now a week in Rio - if I'm not hearing Portuguese or English - it's Italian. I speak fluent Portuguese - with an accent I guess - and so because of it, I am asked if I'm Italian - I'm not, I'm Australian. Is anybody else in town? I am a newbie in Rio. PM Me. I'll send My Cel. Good luck to all!

[Magic2000]

I was wondering if any of you guys could help with my curiosity which sometimes gets the better of me -

Would I be right in assuming that a hot looking girl (say a 9 or 10) in a terma could easily earn on average 8 to 10,000 Reias per month?

I did the figures assuming 15 days per month and on average 6 customers per night.

If this figure is correct then these girls are really in a better earning class than most of us guys (not me included but i'm not trying to brag in any way!)

They also have a trade which is easily transferable anywhere in the world (should they wish) which is more than can be said for most of us guys!

Sure the business has a stigma and the odd STD but the perks are there too if you have the right skills for the job!

Magic

[Bubba Boy]

I am thinking the best make about R10,000. I have heard some boast that they earn a little more, but the average GDP and the truth are often far apart.

An above average girl will only earn R5000 max. The less popular girls earn relatively little. 90% spend everything they earn and have nothing to show for it.

You would be surprised at the demographics of the guys that post on this board. I would think the average wage would be way over the USD$100k per year. Ten years ago $100k was a great wage, now every man and his dog earns it. The guys I hang with in Rio would earn on average $200k -$300k per year, and I am thinking that is not out of the ordinary. Even if a GDP earns R10,000 a month it is only USD$50,000 a year. She will only do so for a few years max before her looks start to drop her earnings like a stone. Hence her only real chance to be seriously comfortable is via the marry a gringo route.

[El Austriaco]

they both expressed the same opinion on italians, they wanted to pay little and fuck plenty, they were also rather rep001hing of some of their personal hygene habits, showering everyday seems to be too much.
it's really interesting. some people claim that the italians drive up prices, and then again, some girls tell you they are cheap bastards. what gives? i have come to the conclusion that you can't take anything serious you hear from a girl, other than assuming that whaever she says is designed with an ulterior motive.

she may say "italians don't wanna pay much", meaning "but of course, you, my honey, you are not such a cheap bastard, are you?", putting on some subtle pressure.


sometimes a very high price is quoted to deter an unwanted customer.
true. but she may also say "my clients always pay me usd 150.00" in an attempt to convince you that she is definitely worth it. another type of subtle pricing pressure.

it really just depends.


always remember that for all ladies size is important, but not as important as smell.
i agree. while the size of the wallet is important, the smell of cool, cold cash is the ultimate aphrodisiac.

ea

[El Greco]

does anyone have any idea of the whereabout of that little blonde spinner/[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) type that used to work there about a year or two ago?

she used to have a line waiting for her, used to come to the room whith her toys giving a nice show and she was enjoying anal too.

last time i saw her was up on sugar loaf but she was with her boyfriend and had no chance to talk to her.

thanks

el greco

[Bubba Boy]

Bia has been working at Lúomo on and off for about 5 years. She was there late last year, she will be back one day.

Chances are you saw her on top of Sugar Loaf with *a* boyfriend, probably not a serious boyfriend.......

[El Greco]

Bia has been working at Lúomo on and off for about 5 years. She was there late last year, she will be back one day.

Chances are you saw her on top of Sugar Loaf with *a* boyfriend, probably not a serious boyfriend.......

I wish I'll be there too.

It was a monday evening, her day off, most probably with some other monger.
Nevertheless I did not want to bother her.

Thanks anyway

El Greco

[Bimbo Boy]

I am thinking the best make about R10,000 ... An above average girl will only earn R5000 max. The less popular girls earn relatively little. 90% spend everything they earn and have nothing to show for it.

A garota friend of mine told me she earns about 3 to R4000 per month. So, this is in line with your estimate.

[El Austriaco]

A garota friend of mine told me she earns about 3 to R4000 per month. So, this is in line with your estimate.
I think in terms of earnings, girls working at the main tourist-frequented termas are definitely way better of than anyone else: if only for the simple reason that they have WAY less expenses than the freelancers hanging out in Meia Pataca or in front of Help.

What a lot of people forget is that the lifestyle these girls lead is simply very expensive, too, and just being able to catch a gullible foreigner is costly, too. Yes, they get a lot of free drinks, but clothing, trips to their hairstylists, possibly an apartment in Zona Sul (or otherwise, quite a bit of transportation costs) burn quite a hole into their earnings. In addition, many of them are not exactly financially savvy, so that's why you see a number of them blowing big money eating a MP, for example. Easy come is easy go, as they say. Not to even mention those who have to pay entrance fee into Help. How many of them do you see leaving without someone on most nights?

A freelancer who manages to do a R$ 150.00 program 20 days a month at Help (which is already pretty good, IMHO, and certainly not easy during off-season) racks in R$ 3000 a month. How much do you think is the actual take-home after deducting business-related expenses?

But anyhow. Some girls prefer to be freelancing instead of having to abide by the strict rules of termas (working hours, not being able to see clients on the side, officially, fines for no-shows, etc.)


Would I be right in assuming that a hot looking girl (say a 9 or 10) in a terma could easily earn on average 8 to 10,000 Reias per month?

I did the figures assuming 15 days per month and on average 6 customers per night.
As Bubba has correctly pointed out, I am also sure there are a few select girls have racked in R$ 10,000 during a given month, yes. Consistently over a period of time or many years? I doubt it.

Look, the group of girls you run into in Copacabana are like the NBA. As a matter of fact, they are very much like athletes; actually, that's exactly what they are: sexual athletes. As such, they have very limited time to grab a lot of cash, and a lot of competition. For the vast majority of girls, it probably pays nothing more than the bills and allows them to survive. Some make a decent living at it, some actually a good one. And far and in between, there are a few select superstars who really rack in the cash. But for most of them, the dream of quick money soon disappears into thin air.

Keep in mind that even if a girl comes home with R$ 1000-2000 a month after expenses, she is making about as much as a college-educated Brazilian would make with a few years of work experience. Not shabby if you hardly know how to read or write (like many of them). Even if it's only for a few years.

EA

[Carrib]

I Look, the group of girls you run into in Copacabana are like the NBA. As a matter of fact, they are very much like athletes; actually, that's exactly what they are: sexual athletes. As such as, they have very limited time to grab a lot of cash, and a lot of competition. For the vast majority of girls, it probably pays nothing more than the bills and allows them to survive. Some make a decent living at it, some actually a good one. And far and in between, there are a few select superstars who really rack in the cash. But for most of them, the dream of quick and money soon disappears into thin air.
EA

"GDP are like NBA athletes"
LOL u do have a way of putting things EA....Some of the GDPs are smart with their money. I met one that purchased a car, house in Cabo Frio...etc....others waste it away on clothes drugs or brazillian boyfriend/pimp

[Mr Enternational]

"GDP are like NBA athletes"
LOL u do have a way of putting things EA....Some of the GDPs are smart with their money. I met one that purchased a car, house in Cabo Frio...etc....others waste it away on clothes drugs or brazillian boyfriend/pimp


Yeah man, but those are few and far between. I was dealing with one on a freebie level who was a nurse before she decided, as she put it, that she "wanted to make fast money. " She said that she had saved up about are 10, 000 in six months from working at Help. She was juicing (not purposely) this one guy from Texas that she met at Help. He was basically taking care of her while she sat home but she said that sitting home was too boring. She all of a sudden took off to Europe to get her head together and blew all of her savings in Spain, France, and Germany. The guy didn't know where she was until he called her family. She said that he met her at the airport with a ring when she returned and proposed but she did not accept.

I think I met her a couple of months after that and she spilled her guts about being a former gdp. Crocodile tears and all. She said that she was one of the high-priced chicks. Right then I was trying to pick her for information. For example, how many guys she fucked, how much money she made, and how she explained all of her nice things to her family. She didn't want to give me figures until I started tallying and being persistant while she wept. I was like at about 2 programs per day for 6 months it must be about 360 men. She was getting repulsed. She finally said that she didn't keep count but it was more around 40 guys. She said she had taken in about are 50, 000 and she had gotten a lot of gifts and jewelry as well. That turns out to be an average of are 1, 250/ guy plus gifts.

But she squandered her money. She had two laptops and four cell phones. Why? , I asked her. When we were together she was showing me text messages that guys were sending to her cell phone saying that they sent $300 and $400 and that they loved her. She was saying that she didn't like something about her washing machine. She had a big roll of money with her that she said her dad gave her to buy a new one (hmm. But her family is dirt poor and she is the one who buys his medicine). We took a van to Rio Sul for her to buy the one she saw on sale on T. V. But it seemed to be the old bait and switch. She wanted to take a taxi back to the crib and she was paying for everything, but I didn't agree on the taxi. I told her that a van is just as good and she needed to stop wasting her money, so we took another van.

She would always say how bad she wanted to get out of Brazil and get married and have a family and stuff. I told her that she had better learn some English before she came to this country. She went on about how everybody tells her that it will be easy for her to learn once she gets here. I told her that yeah they are telling you that because you are pretty and they want a trophy, but I'm going to tell you the truth.

After figuring that she just wanted to move to another country and be taken care of I stopped talking to her. Seemed to me like she should have stuck with the guy from Texas. She kept saying how she was never going back to Help. After a couple of weeks I returned to Rio and at about 3: 30am after I walked one of my non-pros home, I walked in front of Help on the way to Bob's. Who was the first person I saw? She was high and dry and begged to go home with me, but I just looked at her crazy because I was fresh out of some P so it was easy to resist.

Right after New Years she used the remainder of her savings to buy a ticket to return to France. She had made plans to stay with friends (a couple) who were away vacationing in Mexico for the holidays. She arrived in Toulouse and they were not back yet, so her ass was on the street in freezing weather and can't speak a lick of French. Somehow, when I talked to her online a week later, I was the one to blame that she was there homeless on the street for a couple of days. I haven't talked to her since.

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[Abzsafado]

It's really interesting. Some people claim that the Italians drive up prices, and then again, some girls tell you they are cheap bastards. What gives? I have come to the conclusion that you can't take anything serious you hear from a girl, other than assuming that whaever she says is designed with an ulterior motive.

She may say "Italians don't wanna pay much", meaning "But of course, YOU, my honey, you are not such a cheap bastard, are you?", putting on some subtle pressure.


True. But she may also say "My clients always pay me USD 150.00" in an attempt to convince you that she is definitely worth it. Another type of subtle pricing pressure.

It really just depends.

EAAll very true. I dont think you can make generalizations about nationalities and accuse one of driving up the price. People pay too much through inexperience and not knowing the local market.

I dont think the girl was trying to pressurize me into paying more she knows I'm a cheap bastard.

[Ee2002]

Bia has been working at Lúomo on and off for about 5 years. She was there late last year, she will be back one day.

Chances are you saw her on top of Sugar Loaf with *a* boyfriend, probably not a serious boyfriend.......

Bia is still there as of 3-4 weeks ago.

[Ezinho]

Hi, Guys. Just joined the site and wanted to say Hi, to all.

Done Rio a couple of times and found the reports very interesting reading! Next time there I'll definately do things different. I'm one of those klutzes who stayed with the same girl all the time. Twice for two weeks. Yes, I got my head bent out of shape. I realise now these girls will tell you anything, (especially what you want to hear! ) to keep you on the hook. I'm so glad I found this site, got reality back again! Cheers!

So, whats the name for a guy who thinks the GDP he's with really deoes like him? Come on, there must be something the girls call us! Lets himself get totally milked, LOL!
This post was made a few days ago, but I just saw it today and wanted to comment on it.

First of all, don't feel bad, we were all newbies at one time, and we have all made rookie mistakes. As long as you learn from your mistakes, and read all the valuable info on this forum, you will be fine.

Just to put it into perspective, my first trip to Rio was somewhat like yours. I can't say I stayed with the same girl for weeks on end, but I too believed everything the girls told me (your mom is sick and your dog needs a new kidney, ok here's some money, lol!)

When I came back, I found this site and started to read up, but there was one quote in particular which stood out in my mind. So one day, I got a 3X5 index card, and wrote it down. Here is what the quote said (paraphrasing):

"To be a truly successful *****monger, one must be an uncaring and selfish bastard, concerned only about their own needs."

Now, I have no idea who said this, since this was from three or four years ago, when I first joined this site; I think it might have been ISG member Fartknocker, but he hasn't posted on here in a long time, so I'm not sure. But, I shit you not, I wrote this quote down on a 3X5 index card, and kept it in my wallet until about last year, when it got so old and crinkled up that I had to throw it away. But thanks to that quote, everytime I would get an e-mail from a GdP, stating that their mom was dying, or their cat ran away and they needed a new one, I would pull out my index card, read that quote, and move their e-mail to my trash folder! It made me the monger I am today, really.

And to whomever wrote that quote, I don't know who you are, but Sir, I owe you a steak and lobster dinner!

[Bubba Boy]

I cannot agree more with that post. Over the years I have helped only 2 GDP's, these were ones that I thought were the most trust worthy of an untrustworthy bunch. They fucked me over as well, the result is now I help no one in Rio.

In Brazil it is very normal to just cheat, lie and fuck over your fellow neighbour, family memeber, and in fact anybody silly enough to listen.

Question: Why is anal sex so prevalent in Rio?
Answer: Because everybody is so used to being fucked up the ass by each other that one gets used to it.

[Zorglub]

I cannot agree more with that post. Over the years I have helped only 2 GDP's, these were ones that I thought were the most trust worthy of an untrustworthy bunch. They fucked me over as well, the result is now I help no one in Rio.

In Brazil it is very normal to just cheat, lie and fuck over your fellow neighbour, family memeber, and in fact anybody silly enough to listen.

Question: Why is anal sex so prevalent in Rio?
Answer: Because everybody is so used to being fucked up the ass by each other that one gets used to it.

Although I met many great people in Rio , I second what you`re saying. Being a gringo is being a target. You have to put this in your mind first and then play with it and always be aware of it.If you can`t , stay away from this place.

[Veterano]

Ezinho, I wrote that comment in 2004, glad you liked it

I will meet you on 4/7/07 at the Copacobana Palace Hotel for the steak and lobster dinner

I prefer Maine Lobster and Ribeye, med rare

Seeya there, Veterano

[Rio Bob]

i was out with my gfe and her mate we were chatting about the usual subjects mongers and putas. they both expressed the same opinion on italians, they wanted to pay little and fuck plenty, they were also rather rep001hing of some of their personal hygene habits, showering everyday seems to be too much. its good fun to sit with the girls and have a few beers and a bit of craique, especially if one is trying to work, it gives a bit of an insight into how they select us. sometimes a very high price is quoted to deter an unwanted customer. always remember that for all ladies size is important, but not as important as smell.

yes on my recent trip to rio the girls told me the same thing about the italians because after or during my session they would tell me it was a pleasure having sex with you as you wouldn't believe what we have to go through with some of these guys especially the italians who don't bathe or brush their teeth. they told me that they give them quick and bad service and get out of there as quick as possible. they were telling me this because they said that what they did with me is not usual. they also told me they come across many ignorant americans that when meeting in help or just before leaving help are like asking questions about services, like do you do bbbj or anal or dfk. they said that this kills the mood and is ignorant and that if you have like me a nice easy affectionate manner you can get anything you want like naturally with a boyfriend.

[Lorenzo]

They also told me they come across many ignorant Americans that when meeting in Help or just before leaving Help are like asking questions about services, like do you do BBBJ or anal or DFK. They said that this kills the mood and is ignorant and that if you have like me a nice easy affectionate manner you can get anything you want like naturally with a boyfriend.
Well, I'm an American, but I'm not ignorant, and I always negotiate for services before commiting to a girl--always!--and I would advise others to do so as well. This is just as, if not more, important than neogtiating for price. Negotiating for services is a necessity even with a termas or an escort service. And it has never "killed the mood." If you can get all the services you want through your charm and your winsome personality, then bully for you. I don't know how many times I've read a post from somebody on this board bemoaning the fact that he got a CBJ, or that the girl wouldn't do anal, and I always want to say to these guys, "negotiate, fool, negotiate!"

Remember the 4 cardinal rules of mongering: 1) negotiate a fair price (not applicable in termas, except for extras); 2) negotiate services; 3) never pay for services until after they have been rendered; 4) never hesitate to show a girl the door, e.g., if she won't perform a service she previously agreed to, or if she insists on being paid upfront. I also have an optional 5th rule: give her a nice propina if she gives extraordinarily good service, or if she has an especially positive attitude.

Lorenzo

[Brazilman]

Terma Aquaris?? Can someone give a report on this one. Ive never heard of it and never read about it until now. I will be going back soon and want to know where it is and how much.

[Bravo]

Yes on my recent trip to Rio the girls told me the same thing about the Italians because after or during my session they would tell me it was a pleasure having sex with you as you wouldn't believe what we have to go through with some of these guys especially the Italians who don't bathe or brush their teeth. They told me that they give them quick and bad service and get out of there as quick as possible. They were telling me this because they said that what they did with me is not usual. They also told me they come across many ignorant Americans that when meeting in Help or just before leaving Help are like asking questions about services, like do you do BBBJ or anal or DFK. They said that this kills the mood and is ignorant and that if you have like me a nice easy affectionate manner you can get anything you want like naturally with a boyfriend.

If you are quizing the girl like she's at a job interview, I can see why she would probably be upset at the line of questioning.
But, if you ask her by whispering in her ear while dancing or drinking together (More of a flirting technique) Than I am sure you can find out the answers to your questions, without her getting upset.

[Bubba Boy]

I find if you ask a girl something and then give her a smile or laugh a bit she will tell you anything, and I do mean anything. . . . . . personality goes a long way

[Sui Generis]

I have read with a sustained interest the posts related to the issues of nationalities vs propensity to spend too much on a GDP and - subsidiary - money and GDP.

First of all, I agree with several members of this thread: nationality has nothing to do with the fact of being a wise hobbyist or not. I firmly believe, however, that if you blindly adopt the attitudes of a tourist (and if you stubbornly refuse to behave like local hobbyists) the chances are high that you will end up paying more money.

As a rule, in Rio, GDP look for tourists because they will pay more (one way or another) than brazilians. I remember that the first time I visited a boate, in 1982, the GDP were ignoring me. I was intrigued because in the gafieras (dance hall) and other venues for NGDP I never had problem picking up a date. I have to tell you, though, that I look like more like a Brazilian than a French Canadian with my dark curly hair and my year-long suntan (there were no concerns then about ozone depletion).

One night, there was that tall baiana girl, Rosa, hanging out at the bar with a Swiss moron. The man - with blonde hair and an almost ivory complexion - was unable to say a damn word in Portuguese and he was obviously intoxicated. As I tried to convice Rosa to spend the evening with me, she kindly replied that she didn't want to let the Swiss customer down because she was already with him. Infuriated, I went back to my table cursing that William Tell. A few minutes later a beautiful nordestina (Nadia Silva form São Luis do Maranhão) came by my table asking me if she could sit with me. As I explained to her the polite rebuffal I have received form Rosa, she started to laugh. «What? You are not Brasileiro? You had no chance here tonight honey because they tought you were Brazilian. All the girls here want to go out with foreign customers; they pay more and they are easy to manipulate. Brazilian men are macho and they don't like to spend too much money.»

When I was hobbying in Rio I was young (this is a fact) and I'd like to believe handsome (this is a wish!). It's not true that GDP are only after our money when we are gringos. I have a pretty vivid recollection of my hobbying years in Rio. Some girls were spending entire nights and even entire weeks with me de graça (free of charge). In general, Brazilian women are very generous when they like you. I remember three of them (maybe old timers like me, will remember them).

Grace, who used to work at Erotika (1982-1983) before leaving for Switzerland. My first real contact with a Brazilian woman. When she was not working, her pleasure was to show me the city and teach me new words. I went with her to Tivoly Parque, the old amusement Park that was dismanteld in 1992 or 1993, I think.

Nadia Silva (Frank's, Scheherazade), she spend nights and days with me just making love and, between the sessions, to vent her frustration about her life and the man that has betrayed her, Antonio, in São Luis (that was the less happy part of the deal: to be her confident). A fine woman with a big heart. The last day I was with her, she bought me several shirts and gifts (toys) to my daughter. She only asked, in exchange, two bottles of Champagne for Christmas.

Fabiola (1986, Barbarella). The last night I was with her, she gave me her private phone number and her personal adress. She said to me: your friends are my friends. Three months later, a girlfriend of mine went to Rio with one of her girlfriend. I gave them Fabiola phone number. Believe it or not, Fabiola accomodate them without asking money in return. Not all Rio GDP are go-getter or only after your money. Some of them have a very good heart. I only saw this in Brazil. In all the other places in the wolrd putas only want your money, period. Keep in mind however, that hobbying is only a game. The biggest mistake would be to fall in love with one.

If you want to find gems like these GDP don't act like a tourist. Money cannot buy you love and respect from GDP. I was poor when I met them; I was just an university student doing his master degree, and from 1984 his Ph D....with virtually no money in my pocket. Respect, open-mindedness (i.e. try to learn their language and their culture) and feel like a man (not a sissy metro-sexual)...these are the key words opening the gates of heaven (read: the door of GDP's room).

Valeu
My two cents.

[SlickdySlick]

Yeah I think it how you ask. also I never use mongering terms like BBBJ or DFK. But you should be able to feel the girl out by doing a proper "interview". But I have meet some dumbasses who be learning how to ask a girl in Port if she does anal and would practise out loud in a regular store like an idoit. Imagine you are buying shavingcream with your 13 year old daughter and the guy behind you as saying Voce su completa over and over again LOL

[Brazilman]

SUI, since you have been mongering in brazil since the 80's you opinion is needed on something.Most of us,including me, think that brazil has gone down from just 3 years ago. The quality of the girls has definitely gone down. Help isnt as good as it was.etc etc.. The rebutal, from some, has been that we are just complacent.We just think its gone down because its no longer new to us.Our perception has changed-NOT BRAZIL. thats been the argument.Where do you stand on this.You have over 20 years experience.Do you feel it has changed. Were the girls classier and more attractive back in the day compared to now.do you feel help is worse than it was say 10 years ago.

[Rio Bob]

SUI, since you have been mongering in brazil since the 80's you opinion is needed on something.Most of us,including me, think that brazil has gone down from just 3 years ago. The quality of the girls has definitely gone down. Help isnt as good as it was.etc etc.. The rebutal, from some, has been that we are just complacent.We just think its gone down because its no longer new to us.Our perception has changed-NOT BRAZIL. thats been the argument.Where do you stand on this.You have over 20 years experience.Do you feel it has changed. Were the girls classier and more attractive back in the day compared to now.do you feel help is worse than it was say 10 years ago.

Brazilman, I'll chime in just to offer another opinion, my first time in Rio was Memorial Day weekend 1980. IMHO I feel that Rio is even better now then 20 years ago or even 10 years ago. I was just in Rio, went to Help every night and most nights I pulled out of there hot/classy/sweet girls that I had a great time with. Big difference between today and 20 years ago to me is that 20 years ago I never spoke about money up front, you met a girl like in Mabs or Meia Pataca at night no money was discussed, next day you gave her a small present for her time. Then they followed you around for the next couple of days, waiting at your hotel to be with you again, today that doesn't happen. I also truly believe that the girls are much prettier today than 20 years ago but I am also 20 years older too so it just could be through the eyes of an older man.

Even 10 years ago when the dollar was just fetching 1 Real, I felt that Rio was very expensive compared to the 80’s, not many Americans were there and IMHO not many top quality girls were there too. I started to see better quality girls roll in to Rio when the dollar firmed against the Real and the tourists started to come in. I think that the lure of tourists with a pocketful of Reais has brought higher quality girls to Rio from all over Brasil and I hope that continues.

On this last trip to Rio on one Saturday night I spoke to one of the most beautiful girls I ever saw in Help. She told me she lived in Teresopolis and she lives with her family. It was about 1 in the morning and she was perfect, blond, tall, built and absolutely beautiful, sweet like the girl next door. She wanted 300 reais and had to leave by 5 in the morning to get a bus back home because her family doesn’t know where she is, she can’t stay out all night. I don’t remember seeing anything like this in the day but I passed on her anyway just because of the price and time constraints, but I do regret it. I ended up with a wonderful girl anyway but better price and no time constraints.

I also feel that the quality of the girls fluctuates depending on what month you go. For example in April I did not see the same quantity and quality of girls in Help that I saw in February. Also in February I saw many girls that I knew from previous trips in Help that I did not see in April at all, where did they go? This past February I saw girls in Help I knew from 10, 5, 3 and 2 years ago and we spoke but none of these girls were in Help in April and I’m talking about at least a dozen of them. Just my observation.

I’m still having a great time in Rio and always amazed by the girls I meet, I just wish the dollar would get stronger and the DOW too.

[Sui Generis]

I like your question.

For starters, I'd like to set the record straight.

First of all, I represent, I guess, an atypical hobbyist. Even now, I'm not as wealthy as some hobbyists contributing interesting posts on this board. I've read somewhere that the estimated average salary of the hobbyists in this forum is around $US100K or even $US200K. I'm clearly below that. I travel economic class and I don't book rooms in 5 stars hotels; 3 or 3 1/2 stars are enough for me. I don't mind to take a bus or the subway when I travel. I mention this for the following reason: when I travel, I try - as far as possible - to blend with the average population.

This being said, I can candidly confess, without shame, that I never went inside Help. In the early 80's it was what it is today; that is to say, a place mostly frequented by tourists. For that reason, I had no interest then to visit Help.

Secondly, I didn't hobby 20 years in Brazil without interruption. I hobbyied there from 1982 to 1987. As I met my actual wife in 1987, I didn't hobby at all until 1997...middle-aged lust!!! I hobbyied in Montreal (my hometown) and different places in the world from 1997 to 2002. I'm hobbying again in Brazil (almost exclusively in São Paulo) since 2005.

Ok, now I can answer your question (or present my point of view).

When I went back to Brazil after a 20 years hiatus, my expectations weren't great. I was realistic. I'm a down to earth person. I knew that at 47 (in 2005) it would be impossible to repeat my feats of the early to mid 80's. I was not even thinking of meeting another Fabiola, Grace or Nadia. I was only there for quick sex: bam! thank you mam!

The Rio I saw in 2005 was not the same Rio of 1982. The city and the people were different. In 1982 Brazil was still under a military regime with General Figueiredo, if I remember it well. Brazilians were tight up. As a tourist, you were perceived as a king because with a couple of US$ you could almost buy everything. In fact, there were few North American tourists...but a lot of European tourists, mostly from Germany, France, Switzerland and Italy. The last time I was in Rio, in 1987, The political climate was still incertain (the Tancredo Neves tragedy) and Brazil was not even a democracy. The real problem, however, was the galoping inflation. Enough said.

My first night in Rio, I went to Barbarella's. I was surprised to see how it was different. While I was sitting at my table contemplating the girls, I was singing in my head a few lines of Billie Holyday's You've change:

I've an awfully feelling
That this thought that's been a stealin thru my brain
Is not to be ignored
But to really tell the truth
Though I'm not a well known sleuth
I honestly believe that you are bored
You've changed

For my taste, the girls were sluttier than the memories I had of them in the 80's. I dind't like the way they were dressed and they were all trying to behave like american girls with their bling-bling and their cell phone. Damn! Is this what we call progress? I picked up a GDP but her conversation was so trivial that I didn't bring her to my room. I went back straight to São Paulo (because I was attending a congress there).

In São Paulo I took my time to understand what was different between now and then. I think I have an answer. It is what I call the «Bruna Surfistinha Syndrome» in name of the famous ex paulistana GDP. Before, in the 80's, GDP were doing this in order to survive. The national economy was weak, there were no jobs. When a girl was with a John's she was doing her best to keep him. AS there were fewer tourists, we received more attention because they needed our money to eat or to rent an apartment. Now the garotas are GDP because it is trendy to be one, Bruna Surfistinha, a middle class girl, became a star being a GDP! Now, all the young garotas are GDP because they want to have a social status: cell phones, expensive cars, luxuous apartments, travel around the world. For them, a customer is an ATM machine. There are so many tourists now that they don't care to treat you well; anyways, there's another one waiting in line to pay for her. In Rio the ratio of tourist is bigger than the number of GDP.

As there's less tourists in São Paulo, a customer is still a customer. In fact, the situation in São Paulo is the reverse. There's more GDP than John's. So, it's important that they treat you well, because they want you to come back.

[Brazilman]

bob, are you telling me mei pataca and the balcony had good looking chicks. I find them to be trashy.jmho.

[RCA Knight]

Quote from Sui Generis<<<<The Rio I saw in 2005 was not the same Rio of 1982. The city and the people were different. In 1982 Brazil was still under a military regime with General Figueiredo, if I remember it well. Brazilians were tight up. As a tourist, you were perceived as a king>>>>

Figuereido era was the peak of Brasilan hunt. Under military rigime, Brasililains look up to foreigners. I was just a teen and started going to Brasil with my parents for long stay for work in SP and Rio. I remember being a teenager foreigner I was treated like a young prince all over, and was so eay for me to pull cute girls from the beaches straight back to our beach condo in Guaruja, or in Santos, or in Rio ect.But the tide has turned, now my nephew is a very handsome teenager and stays in Brasil most of the time of a year, and its not that easy to pull cutie straight back to beach condo anymore. It take much more work now and nice foreign boy means totally nothing nowadays.

I feel a bit lucky to live and experience the good old days of lady hunt in Brasil back in 80's under Figuereido. But this good time is forever gone.

[Rio Bob]

bob, are you telling me mei pataca and the balcony had good looking chicks. I find them to be trashy.jmho.

Brazilman, I probably should not have used Meia Pataca or Mabs as my example because of what they are today. Balcony didn't exist 20 years ago. 25 years ago there was no Help which is the ground zero of Copa today. Back then every Cafe along Ave Atlantica had girls not like today with just a few. So when I would stay at the Rio Palace which today is The Sofitel, the Cafe that is right next to the Sofitel was packed with girls, the best that Rio had to offer then. Same when I would stay at The Hotel California which is next to the Marriott today, that cafe there Le Maison was packed with girls, the best that Rio had to offer. In those days much of the action in Copa was in all the Cafes. Today your right Meia Pataca and Mabs and Balcony for the most part but not all has a lower class GDP compared to back then.

And when Help did open up in the mid 80's I didn't know it to be a place for GDP's then, it was a place for middle class Brazilians. I had been there and I spoke no Portuguese then, so it was not a place for mongering, we seldom went there. I really didn't start going to Help until my return to Rio in 1997 and it was in full swing by then.

But I agree with you Meia Pataca and Balcony of today is not what I am talking about.

[BootyTapper]

What a lot of people forget is that the lifestyle these girls lead is simply very expensive, too, and just being able to catch a gullible foreigner is costly, too. Yes, they get a lot of free drinks, but clothing, trips to their hairstylists, possibly an apartment in Zona Sul (or otherwise, quite a bit of transportation costs) burn quite a hole into their earnings. In addition, many of them are not exactly financially savvy, so that's why you see a number of them blowing big money eating a MP, for example. Easy come is easy go, as they say. Not to even mention those who have to pay entrance fee into Help. How many of them do you see leaving without someone on most nights?

How much do you think is the actual take-home after deducting business-related expenses?

EA

EA this is so true! Its like we say in the US, "keeping up with the Jones". A garota will have to spend cash to facilitate her lifestyle and at the same time advertise herself to bring in more customers. Competition is stiff so she cannot let her game down, in their minds whatever they have to do to get that cash will be done. If there was a financial goal or plan we know for sure they would not spend like a mad woman. But I must say I have met some that are really focused and have tangible assets to show for their work. I remember when I talked with one, she told me that "yes she has the assets, but she was not to happy about how she got them." Which now brings us to the other side of this game, how many gdps leave the game with emotional scars, not that they weren't before? But we can see in that line of work, if you leave with assets and your sanity, you really won on all fronts. So to those who leave with their "assets" and their mind, I have to give all props because they played the game and won!

[Scooby1]

I recieved this e-mail from Terma Monte Carlo & since I do not know Portugese I will leave it up to you guys to figure out.


From: "Termas Monte Carlo" <mail@eleela.com.br> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:45:03 -0300

SEMANA MALUCA

Isso mesmo a promoção mais quente da cidade está de volta!!!!!

Do dia 12/03 a 16/03 a sua cabine é gratuita!!!

Desconto de R$ 60,00

Para isto, basta apresentar este e-mail impresso na recepção.

Chame seus amigos e venha *** momentos de lazer inesquecíveis.

Atenção: Esta promoção não é cumulativa, ou seja não pode ser usada com outras promoções.


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[Rio Bob]

I recieved this e-mail from Terma Monte Carlo & since I do not know Portugese I will leave it up to you guys to figure out.


From: "Termas Monte Carlo" <mail@eleela.com.br> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:45:03 -0300

SEMANA MALUCA

Isso mesmo a promoção mais quente da cidade está de volta!!!!!

Do dia 12/03 a 16/03 a sua cabine é gratuita!!!

Desconto de R$ 60,00

Para isto, basta apresentar este e-mail impresso na recepção.

Chame seus amigos e venha *** momentos de lazer inesquecíveis.

Atenção: Esta promoção não é cumulativa, ou seja não pode ser usada com outras promoções.


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Basically it says to bring this email to the termas from March 12 to March 16 and your cabine is free. Tell your friends too, which you just did. Also it says that this represents a discount of 60 reais.

[Prtyr2]

I disagree. . .I prefer to talk with and get to know a girl, flirt a little and see if there is chemistry. . . . .if there is real chemistry. . . .you won't have to negociate so hard as she will want to make you happy. OTOH. . . .if you interrogate a hardcore pro who has zero interest in you. . . . you guarantee nothing. . . .


Well, I'm an American, but I'm not ignorant, and I always negotiate for services before commiting to a girl--always!--and I would advise others to do so as well. This is just as, if not more, important than neogtiating for price. Negotiating for services is a necessity even with a termas or an escort service. And it has never "killed the mood." If you can get all the services you want through your charm and your winsome personality, then bully for you. I don't know how many times I've read a post from somebody on this board bemoaning the fact that he got a CBJ, or that the girl wouldn't do anal, and I always want to say to these guys, "negotiate, fool, negotiate!"

Remember the 4 cardinal rules of mongering: 1) negotiate a fair price (not applicable in termas, except for extras); 2) negotiate services; 3) never pay for services until after they have been rendered; 4) never hesitate to show a girl the door, e.g., if she won't perform a service she previously agreed to, or if she insists on being paid upfront. I also have an optional 5th rule: give her a nice propina if she gives extraordinarily good service, or if she has an especially positive attitude.

Lorenzo

[Bubba Boy]

The promtion is valid from 12 March until 16 March, not the dates that Bob stated.

[Rio Bob]

The promtion is valid from 12 March until 16 March, not the dates that Bob stated.

Yes you're right, typo on my part, thanks.

[Scooby1]

Basically it says to bring this email to the termas from March 12 to March 16 and your cabine is free. Tell your friends too, which you just did. Also it says that this represents a discount of 60 reais.So any of you that want to use it there are logos that go with it just pm me with your e-mail and I'll forward it to you

Scooby

[The Watcher]

Yes you're right, typo on my part, thanks.

Where's the typo?

[Lorenzo]

I disagree. . .I prefer to talk with and get to know a girl, flirt a little and see if there is chemistry. . . . .if there is real chemistry. . . .you won't have to negociate so hard as she will want to make you happy. OTOH. . . .if you interrogate a hardcore pro who has zero interest in you. . . . you guarantee nothing. . . .
Fine, you monger your way and I'll monger mine. But I guarantee you that in the long run I'll get more BBBJs than you. And who cares whether the "hardcore pro" has any interest in me. After all, this is in effect a business deal, not a love affair, something all too many mongers forget. And while you're "flirting and looking for chemistry" I'll be moving on to garota #2 for the evening. :D

Lorenzo

[Bubba Boy]

There are many, many different ways to screen a girl. You can make it fun and even get a laugh out of the GDP, hell I have had a GDP in stitches while discussing anal, it is all about how you say something rather than what you say that will cause an issue. The most important thing is to have some kind of systematic strategy that works for you. I very rarely get a bad bang these days because I screen the hell out of any girl, and I do it without her really knowing.

I find the most important things is paying attention to flags. If you get 2 or more flags I will guarantee she will be a crap bang. One has to work out what those flags are.

[George90]

There are many, many different ways to screen a girl.

What are some of your ways? I don't like impatient girls who watch the clock. I talk to them for a way and watch if their reaction is of the 'hurry up already' type.

[Rio Bob]

What are some of your ways? I don't like impatient girls who watch the clock. I talk to them for a way and watch if their reaction is of the 'hurry up already' type.

For me sometimes it's just a feeling you get through the course of a conversation. Just normal chit chat, does she laugh at your jokes, does she make jokes and so on, is she all business like or is she relaxed and having a good time. It's true she is working here but it really helps if she likes you too.

A few weeks back there was a post on this board unfortunately I can't find it now but the poster was talking about how in Help you can spot the girls who give good service as opposed to the ones who don't. He said that the ones who give real GFE great service get repeat business from their customers and as a result of that are always busy. The girls who give poor service do not get repeat business and are always alone in Help looking for a new customer who doesn't know her. I had seen this on my last trip repeatedly. In Help there were at least a dozen girls I knew from previous trips and all the girls that I knew who were great GFE's were always with someone, two of them were tied up completely every night with the same customer they knew for years. I asked one on a Monday if she is occupied and she told me she won't be available till Friday.

All the girls that gave great GFE's when they saw me enter Help for the first time came up to me and said hello and addressed me by name. The girls who were lousy didn't even remember me even when I went to introduce myself. I did speak to these girls just to say hello, they were alone and they were surprised when I walked away as when I told them we had been together their response was, it was really good wasn't it? I like laughed and walked away.

Unfortunately it's not an exact science but it takes some experience and making some mistakes to get the feeling.

[Sui Generis]

For me sometimes it's just a feeling you get through the course of a conversation. Just normal chit chat, does she laugh at your jokes, does she make jokes and so on, is she all business like or is she relaxed and having a good time. It's true she is working here but it really helps if she likes you too.


I fully agree with Rio Bob.

For me, there's virtually no difference between picking up a NGP for a date and making a negotiation deal with a garota. This sounds almost like a truism or, to resort to Wittgenstein's lingo, a tautology!

However, the only problem I see with this kind of answer is that in order to separate the wheat form the chaff a monger must be almost fluent in Brazilian Portuguese. I wonder how many mongers contributing reports on this forum are really fluent or endowed with a sufficient knowledge of the Brazilian lingua franca? 5%? 10%? 30%? I guess this is a supplementary incentive to learn Portuguese.

I'm not sure that that you can go very far with a garota if you can only mumble «sim» or «não». Or, even worse, if the garota only know a few words in English like: «fucky fucky» or «money money»!!!!!

For me the pleasure of mongering in Brazil is indisssociable from the pleasure of experiencing an intercutural exchange (and an exchange entails a reciprocal relationship). The more you know about the culture (here I mean the pop culture like MPB, telenovelas characters, the usual gossip involving the national heroes) the more you will be able to engage in a seduction game showing at the end the prospect of a succsesfull session. Don't forget, my native language is French...so everything for me is a game of seduction, even with GDP! LOL

[Java Man]

Wittgenstein's lingo:
Hey, Professor, Would that be Ludwig Josef Johann Wittgenstein, (Now that's a NAME,) an Austrian philosopher, who contributed several ground-breaking works to contemporary philosophy,?
"Including the Philosophy of language:
the reasoned inquiry into the nature, origins, and usage of language. As a topic, the philosophy of language for Analytic Philosophers is concerned with four central problems: the nature of meaning, language use, language cognition, and the relationship between language and reality.
First, philosophers of language inquire into the nature of meaning, and seek to explain what it means to "mean" something. Topics in that vein include the nature of synonymy, the origins of meaning itself, and how any meaning can ever really be known.

Second, they would like to understand what speakers and listeners do with language in communication, and how it is used socially.

Third, they would like to know how language relates to the minds of both the speaker and the interpreter. Of specific interest is the grounds for successful translation of words into other words.

Finally, they investigate how language and meaning relate to truth and the world. Philosophers tend to be less concerned with which sentences are actually true, and more with what kinds of meanings can be true or false. A truth-oriented philosopher of language might wonder whether or not a meaningless sentence can be true or false; whether or not sentences can express propositions about things that don't exist; and whether or not it is a sentence that is true or false, rather than the way sentences are used."

tau·tol·o·gy
–noun, plural -gies.
1. needless repetition of an idea, esp. in words other than those of the immediate context, without imparting additional force or clearness, as in “widow woman.”
2. an instance of such repetition.
3. Logic.
a. a compound propositional form all of whose instances are true, as “A or not A.”
b. an instance of such a form, as “This candidate will win or will not win.”

Whew!!

I'm with the professor, It's also a game of seduction for me. I've never treated or approached any lady as a w*ore, even if she is one. (well, maybe in the bedroom :D)
Like F Sinatra use to say, "the lady is still a lady," and if you called her a w*hore in his presence, he'd punch you in the nose. :)

[Sui Generis]

Ya, Wittgenstein the Austrian philosopher...

He was maybe one of the unsung genius of the XXth century (logic, philosophy) but when it came to women he was a wuss or maybe even gay. One thing is sure, he was a misogynist and, in general, an execrable person.
I prefer the figure of Jean-Jacques Rousseau, he was a famous womanizer...

Never loose sight of the following fact: hobbying is a game and we should all of us have fun!

On this one, I follow here the late Spanish philosopher José Ortega y Gasset in his work La Caza (On Hunting): The ultimate pleasure of hunting is not in killing the beast but in stalking it, trying to debunk it... On the par, the pleasure of hobbying is not only in fu**ing a garota but in finding her and trying to get her at the lowest price possible.

Valeu
My two cents!

[Bubba Boy]

I would disagree with one point in the screening process. That is you need to be fluent in Porto. I have friends that get by with very little Porto and they screen very well. I also have friends that speak no porto but speak Spanish well and they also screen very well.

I have heard that the spoken word makes up less than half of what is actually said, the tone of how one says something and body language to name a few are very important as is the attitude.

My portuguese is about a 7/10 now, but I could screen very well when my porto was maybe a 2/10 just by judging the girls attitude, they way she touched, how close she seemed to get, what drink she oredred, how money orientated she was. etc.

[Sui Generis]

I have heard that the spoken word makes up less than half of what is actually said, the tone of how one says something and body language to name a few are very important as is the attitude.


Wow! I have to agree on this too. I just want to add something (in all modesty) from my personal experience. I am lucky enough to be endowed with a very deep voice (a Barry White voice). In Brazil (and even here with NGP), when I open my mouth to talk, all the garotas compliment me. They are very sensitive about the tone of the voice and the posture of the body. This is true!

[Bubba Boy]

The great thing about Rio is that a normal human being can get as much quality pussy as Sir Barry did in his life.

[Chris 007]

Was hoping for some advise from some of you Rio vets.

I'm coming to Rio for only one weekend. Arriving Friday at 4 am, so I'll be downtown around 5.

Since I do not want to miss ONE minute of Rio. Is there anywhere I can go at 5am. That is open until 6 or 7?

Thanks guys!

See

[Sprite13]

EA,
Thanks for sharing your incident while handgliding in Rio. Scary stuff, but oh so well glad you made as you're a true asset in this board!
I was seriously considering going for a tour myself over Rio handgliding but after reading about the risks and the lack of help/understanding from the HG guy, I think I'll pass for a little while.

Bubba,
Your Bubba guide is worthy of a Pulitzer, no less! Simply oustanding. I'm looking forward for your report on other areas as well. You, EA, Ronny Ron, and a few others in here are true living legends. Just keep up the outstanding work.

Valeu. :)

[Lorenzo]

Ya, Wittgenstein the Austrian philosopher...

He was maybe one of the unsung genius of the XXth century (logic, philosophy) but when it came to women he was a wuss or maybe even gay. One thing is sure, he was a misogynist and, in general, an execrable person.For the record, Wittgenstein was definitely gay. In addition to what you say, he was also a certifiable weirdo who would disappear for years at a time, only to be found working as a gardener in some provincial town--and this was when he had a standing offer from Bertrand Russell of a seat in philosophy at Cambridge.

Speaking of Bertrand Russell, who provided living proof that intellectuals can be womanizers, when he was asked why his academic work had slacked off when he was in his forties, he responded "I prefer fucking." A man after my own heart. :D

[Lorenzo]

The great thing about Rio is that a normal human being can get as much quality pussy as Sir Barry did in his life.And perhaps an abnormal human being can as well. Cool

[Catire]

I love this quote from the fairly recent deceased Roberto Bolano, who said:

".. Tirar es lo unico que desean los enfermos, los heridos graves, los suicidas, los presos; incluiso, eso ero lo unico que queria Wittgenstein, el mas grande filosofo del siglo XX. Es triste admitirlo, pero es asi. Los libros son finitos. El acto sexual en finito. Pero el deseo de leer y tirar en infinito, sobrepasa nuestra propria muerte, nuestros miedos".

in this instance tirar means to fornicate/fuck

the translation is as follows:

Fucking is the the only thing wanted by the sick, the seriously hurt, the suicidal and the incarcerated, and it was the only thing wanted by Wittgenstein, the greatest philosopher of the 20th century. It's sad to admit, but that's how it is. Book are finite. The sexual act is finite. But the desire to read and fuck is infinite, it overcomes our our death, our fears.

[Rio Bob]

Was hoping for some advise from some of you Rio vets.

I'm coming to Rio for only one weekend. Arriving Friday at 4 am, so I'll be downtown around 5.

Since I do not want to miss ONE minute of Rio. Is there anywhere I can go at 5am. That is open until 6 or 7?

Thanks guys!

See

I wouldn't say 5 am is the optimum time to begin mongering but if I found myself in Rio at 5 am cattin around I would probably be in front of Help trying to catch the leftovers leaving Help and the second time arounders looking for another trick. On the weekend this should be a fairly busy place at 5 am,they are still open for business. If you don't have a place to stay yet, take her to the Vanity motel around the corner, she'll know where it is.

[Member #4378]

I wouldn't say 5 am is the optimal time to begin mongering but if I found myself in Rio at 5 am cattin around I would probably be in front of Help trying to catch the leftovers leaving Help and the second time arounders looking for another trick. On the weekend this should be a fairly busy place at 5 am,they are still open for business. If you don't have a place to stay yet, take her to the Vanity motel around the corner, she'll know where it is.

I dont know downtown around 5am, but I agree with Rio Bob about Help. I have been in front of Help at 4-5am several times, you can find "plenty" of girls and get some good deals. Last year, I was offered 200R for 2 girls -LT. Mongering at 4-5am fits my schedule well on occasions. In particular, during working days and when I am staying near help. I go to bed early (8-9pm) and get up around 4am, go to Help, xxx till 8-9am and head to work.

[Zorglub]

Was hoping for some advise from some of you Rio vets.

I'm coming to Rio for only one weekend. Arriving Friday at 4 am, so I'll be downtown around 5.

Since I do not want to miss ONE minute of Rio. Is there anywhere I can go at 5am. That is open until 6 or 7?

Thanks guys!

SeeI like to have a good soup at times around 4 or 5 am at Nogueira restaurant (in front of Barbarella). Depending of days (or is it nights ?) , you can find nice working girls that dance in the surrounding "boites" after they finished dancing , trying to find a customer and at that time you`re their last card so it is the time to negociate.
You may be lucky but as I said , some nights aren`t worth it.

[Chris 007]

Another questions guys.

Can anybody recommend the best place to find the most beautiful girls, model type. But in a place that at least SEEMS like a normal nightclub. Aka. A DJ, maybe some modern design, and where the girls don't all attack you the minute you walk in the door. Where it seems like you have to do a bit of work yourslef to pick them up?

Ideally a place where the girls are getting wasted too. Dancing, having fun.

Or even if you can recommend a normal club that has a lot of pro's.

Thanks guys!

C

[Full Throttle]

I'm not sure that that you can go very far with a garota if you can only mumble «sim» or «não». Or, even worse, if the garota only know a few words in English like: «fucky fucky» or «money money!

...so everything for me is a game of seduction, even with GDP! LOLThere is no worse deal breaker than "fucky-fucky." I even (try to) tell them now that the only girls that say that are foreign hookers-- Asian, Latin, European. Is there some sort of foreign hooker charm school that teaches this?

Ibiza007 is one of those guys that has it figured out. Every girl he meets, he treats like she's a beautiful person. He always finds out where she's from and has a warm, endearing comment to say about her home town. He only spends a healthy amount of time with her-- not too little, not too much. They talk and flirt and, eventually, negotiate. They giggle as they respond to each counter offer with mock drama.

From my observations, he always pre-screens for the basic services he wants and nearly always has a GFE. He accomplishes this with fairly pedestrian Portogese, by the way (hope he's not reading).

So, I agree with you and others that setting the stage for a GFE and confirming availability of certain activities are not mutually exclusive. In fact, done right, the process increases the likelihood of a GFE.

FT

[Bravo]

Another questions guys.

Can anybody recommend the best place to find the most beautiful girls, model type. But in a place that at least SEEMS like a normal nightclub. Aka. A DJ, maybe some modern design, and where the girls don't all attack you the minute you walk in the door. Where it seems like you have to do a bit of work yourslef to pick them up?

Ideally a place where the girls are getting wasted too. Dancing, having fun.

Or even if you can recommend a normal club that has a lot of pro's.

Thanks guys!

CHAHAHAHAHA! My man said "a normal club that has a lot of pro's" Thats too funny dude!

Seriously, give Club 6 a shot. On friday nights, alot of the terma girls like to go there to dance. Or you can head up to Barra and hit the clubs up there, quite a few gorgeous model types.

[Rio Bob]

Another questions guys.

Can anybody recommend the best place to find the most beautiful girls, model type. But in a place that at least SEEMS like a normal nightclub. Aka. A DJ, maybe some modern design, and where the girls don't all attack you the minute you walk in the door. Where it seems like you have to do a bit of work yourslef to pick them up?

Ideally a place where the girls are getting wasted too. Dancing, having fun.

Or even if you can recommend a normal club that has a lot of pro's.

Thanks guys!

CLike Lorenzo said, you Monger your way and I'll monger mine.

For me the closet thing to what you are asking for is the infamous Help disco in Copacabana.

You will find some very nice girls there, some better than average girls there, some average and some below average.

If price is not a problem then the infamous Barbarellas club is another choice, overpriced but on average the girls are more model types in there than not.

Many mongers on this Rio board will find a problem with all this but this is the way I do it.

There are many non pro clubs in the Rio area but if you don't speak Portuguese than you just might be wasting your time there.

Help is the best bet.

[The Corn Hole]

I suppose there are many factors that go into finding the GFE. Some supercede others. Another factor that is often overlooked that I believe makes a difference is staying in apartments rather than hotels. I'm almost certain that with all things being equal the monger who stays in a apt is going to have a higher percentage of GFEs than the guy in a hotel. To a GDP an apartment in a way symbolizes home. Being at "home" puts them at ease and into their comfort zones. It's a more psychologically satisfying environment to be in for a length of time, with more pleasant surroundings thus it puts them in a more relaxed state. I really don't know why so many guys choose to stay in hotels (even the experienced veterans) every time. I don't see the reason being a matter of security as so many wind up staying in cheap hotels with no security. And they're more expensive also.

Apartments are the only way to go.

[Pipe Layer99]

So last night I wanted to check out the bars on Julu Lu.
[size=-2]EDITOR'S NOTE: [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.


Think this is posted in the wrong thread. I'll send Dutch a PM so he can repost in Manila.

[Ee2002]

Like Lorenzo said, you Monger your way and I'll monger mine.

For me the closet thing to what you are asking for is the infamous Help disco in Copacabana.

You will find some very nice girls there, some better than average girls there, some average and some below average.

If price is not a problem then the infamous Barbarellas club is another choice, overpriced but on average the girls are more model types in there than not.

Many mongers on this Rio board will find a problem with all this but this is the way I do it.

There are many non pro clubs in the Rio area but if you don't speak Portuguese than you just might be wasting your time there.

Help is the best bet.


My thoughts exactly, when I read that post.

[Lorenzo]

I really don't know why so many guys choose to stay in hotels (even the experienced veterans) every time. I don't see the reason being a matter of security as so many wind up staying in cheap hotels with no security. And they're more expensive also.

Apartments are the only way to go.
You mean apartments are the only way to go FOR YOU. However, please don't be so presumptuous as to tell others what is the right place to stay for them. This is a personal life style choice, and the tastes of individual mongers vary widely; you can tell that just by reading this forum. But since you asked why guys stay in hotels, I'll tell you. I could give you a lot of reasons, but I can sum it all up in one word: comfort. I like getting up in the morning and going down to a leisurely buffet breakfast of hot and cold foods; I get my breakfast at home every day--why would I want to do it when I'm traveling. I like being pampered. I like having a paper ready for me every morning. I like living like a rich person. I'm not rich--comfortable, maybe, but not rich--but when I stay at a nice hotel I am living rich, being waited on hand and foot and having my needs catered to, even if only for a short time. I like having my bed made every day with clean sheets, having my bathroom cleaned, the carpet vacuumed, etc. I like having a pool to swim in and lounge by every day. I could go on, but do you get the idea. And this has nothing whatever to do with getting a GFE, since my experience is that nearly all sexual encounters in Rio are GFEs--that's just the way Brazilian garotas are.

The one time I stayed in an apartment, back in 2003, it turned out to be a disaster. It was a shithole: roaches, cracked toilet seat, shower that had only cold water, fans that didn't work, lights that didn't work, windows without screens that let mosquitos in that bit me all night, and a rental agent who refused to do anything about it. So I swore, never again, and I went back to staying in hotels and have continued to do so ever since.

Lorenzo

[Dutch44]

So last night I wanted to check out the bars on Julu Lu. I first decided to Have a Mojito in Cubano, which was perfect and I had two. The food was just OK. I live within walking distance to Cafa Havanah in Manila, so I am used to very good Cuban food. The problem was that the two Mojitos, mixed with the joint I just smoked, got me pretty wasted. I ended up spending $150 in some Julu Lu bar hoping to take home the a cute bartender, which wasn't happening. I found the bars on this street quite dead...Oops, something went wrong there. I did not post this (see the above) but somebody else did. I guess my post about the GFE experience in Brasil got lost somewhere in cyberspace.

Dutch44

[July Gan]

Lorenzo,

Decent Apart-hotels in Rio (large selection in many agencies like www.ipanema.com) mean that you can have the privacy of a large 2 bedroom apartment (I like to have one to sleep and another to play), a well furnished sitting room with a balcony plus all the hotel facilities (breakfast, pool, laundry service)

I usually favour Ipanema Tower (1 block behind Caesar Park/Posto 9 in Ipanema)

I will be there all next week and the rate is about 300R per night for a 2 bed/2 bathroom apartment, with free parking)

I hear that there is a promotion all next week at Montecarlo if you present an internet voucher you can get in a local forum (the cabine is free, so its worth 60R per day) I will be there on monday!

[Exec Talent]

You can get the Monte Carlo promotion by going to this link:

http://www.termasmontecarlo.com.br/principal.php

click on:

Confira a Semana Maluca de Monte Carlo Clique Aque e Confira

It will open a new window. Print it out by clicking on imprimir

You can do this even from an internet cafe.

Also if you want to receive these promotions by e-mail, just enter your e-mail address on the same page and click OK.

[Lorenzo]

I hear that there is a promotion all next week at Montecarlo if you present an internet voucher you can get in a local forum (the cabine is free, so its worth 60R per day) I will be there on monday!
Be careful with the promotion at Monte Carlo. To get the cabine free, you must take the cabine and not a bigger room, such as a suite. In other words, they won't let you apply the 60R to a suite. I found this out the hard way a few years ago.

I'll look into Ipanema Towers. Thanks for the suggestion. The rate you quote is about the same as a room at the Sheraton, but a lot closer to the action.

[HoleRanger]

I've read and researched and it appears not speaking Portuguese may be a problem coming to Rio for the first time? Well, actually I passed through Rio 10 years ago but it was work related and I did not have time to play. So the million dollar question is, me not speaking the language, can I visit the popular spots. Termas. Clubs. Etc and get by ok? Learning Portuguese right now would be too much since I'am just getting a handle on my spanish. Thanks and enjoy!

[Abzsafado]

Be careful with the promotion at Monte Carlo. To get the cabine free, you must take the cabine and not a bigger room, such as a suite. In other words, they won't let you apply the 60R to a suite. I found this out the hard way a few years ago.

I'll look into Ipanema Towers. Thanks for the suggestion. The rate you quote is about the same as a room at the Sheraton, but a lot closer to the action.You can also register your email address in the monte carlo and they will email you when they have special offers on. Best not let the wife see them.

[Abzsafado]

Like Lorenzo said, you Monger your way and I'll monger mine.

For me the closet thing to what you are asking for is the infamous Help disco in Copacabana.

You will find some very nice girls there, some better than average girls there, some average and some below average.

If price is not a problem then the infamous Barbarellas club is another choice, overpriced but on average the girls are more model types in there than not.

Many mongers on this Rio board will find a problem with all this but this is the way I do it.

There are many non pro clubs in the Rio area but if you don't speak Portuguese than you just might be wasting your time there.

Help is the best bet.GDP's can be found in ALL the nightclubs in Rio, although sometimes they are just on a night out. I have been in a lot of clubs over the years and have met girls I know from Barbarellas and Franks, sometimes working sometimes with clients sometimes just having fun. If you have a good nose to sniff out a pro you can find them everywhere. I even saw some working in Marius' onetime. They went in alone ate their dinner, got some europeans to pay for it and left with them. My GF GDP was kicking off about it.

Evelyn the gata de copacabana even posted about working in Melt and Lord Jims.

[Wild Cherokee]

i wouldn't say 5 am is the optimum time to begin mongering but if i found myself in rio at 5 am cattin around i would probably be in front of help trying to catch the leftovers leaving help and the second time arounders looking for another trick. on the weekend this should be a fairly busy place at 5 am,they are still open for business. if you don't have a place to stay yet, take her to the vanity motel around the corner, she'll know where it is.

ahhhhh, i remember the vanity motel (sort of). my first helpee gdp experience was there. my friends and i were staying at the portinari hotel on our first trip. we attempted to bring a few gdps from help back to the hotel in the wee hours of the morning but they wanted to charge us additional "guest" fees. so instead my gdp, eryka, flagged a cab. we all squeezed into the ride and in 1 rio cabbie minute we were stumbling up the stairs at the vanity. i have a certain affection for this place. i remember the mirrors behind the bed, my blissful time with eryka, our conversation (we managed to communicate fairly well), her then massaging me to sleep, her waking me back up with a bbbj, more bliss, more convo. when we were done (i had nothing left) she sweetly walked me downstairs, flagged a cab for me, gave the cabbie the name/address of where i was staying, paid the cabbie for me (i have to admit that gesture impressed me) and sent me off with a dfk and a smile. that was my first gfe... at the good old vanity motel. i haven’t been back to the vanity since i now rent apartments as opposed to staying at hotels, hence guests are never a problem. i think the damage at the vanity was in the area of r$40 or r$50 for 3 hours. this was still less than the r$75 the portinari wanted for the guest fee.

wc

[El Austriaco]

I've read and researched and it appears not speaking Portuguese may be a problem coming to Rio for the first time? Well, actually I passed through Rio 10 years ago but it was work related and I did not have time to play. So the million dollar question is, me not speaking the language, can I visit the popular spots. Termas. Clubs. Etc and get by ok? Learning Portuguese right now would be too much since I'am just getting a handle on my spanish. Thanks and enjoy!
No, it won't be a major problem if you stick to the main P4P hangouts in Copacabana (Help, Terraco Atlantico, Meia, Pataca, Balcony) and the Zona Sul termas. You will get by.

Will all the girls you meet there speak English? No. Some may speak it very well, some just to get by, some just to nail down the details of the deal, some just a few words. Not speaking Portuguese certainly limits you in terms of which girls you can transact business with (IMHO, the ones speaking OK English are more hardcore) and how much fun it is (how much time can you really spend with a girl that you can not communicate with?), or the probability of a GFE, for sure, but it does not entirely preclude P4P. If it did, the foreign monger population is Rio would drop by 90%. It doesn't.

Just stick to the main spots. Even if you speak no Portuguese and they speak no English and you therefore lack a common language for linguistic bonding, they will know why you are there. Remember, you both understand the most important language: money ;)

Hope this helps,

EA

[El Austriaco]

I suppose there are many factors that go into finding the GFE. Some supercede others. Another factor that is often overlooked that I believe makes a difference is staying in apartments rather than hotels. I'm almost certain that with all things being equal the monger who stays in a apt is going to have a higher percentage of GFEs than the guy in a hotel. To a GDP an apartment in a way symbolizes home. Being at "home" puts them at ease and into their comfort zones. It's a more psychologically satisfying environment to be in for a length of time, with more pleasant surroundings thus it puts them in a more relaxed state. I really don't know why so many guys choose to stay in hotels (even the experienced veterans) every time. I don't see the reason being a matter of security as so many wind up staying in cheap hotels with no security. And they're more expensive also.

Apartments are the only way to go.
Personally, based on my experience, I really don't see any correlation between staying in an apartment vs. a hotel and a higher incidence of GFEs. I think it has much more to do with one's own personality, how you treat them, and what you are looking for (a more long-term business relationship vs. a wham-bam-thank-you-Mam deal). I have never stayed in an apartment in Rio, only in hotels, but I have always gotten GFEs from the garotas, in many cases to the dangeous point where they self-declared themselves my namoradas. Which, of course, was always the point I had to kick them out (and the few that I didn't, I definitely SHOULD have kicked them out, in hindsight).

As to the theory of putting the girls at ease and increasing their comfort zones in an apartment, well, I think it's paramount to put one's own comfort zone first. This is exactly the reason I don't even take a GDP to my hotel room (and for safety reasons, I would be even more concerned about taking them to my apartment!) and now, I just do them onsite or in love motels, for my OWN comfort and peace of mind. And when the shit actually hits the fan with a garota, I really like the convenience of being able to place a quick phone call to the reception desk or management to help sort things out. Maybe something to keep in mind when weighing the options of an apartment vs. a hotel. Personally, I just don't like the stress of having to worry about 100% garota-proofing the hotel room or apartment before I have sex with her. Sorry, takes me out my comfort zone ;). But I guess in that respect, we are all different, and I respect that.

EA

[HoleRanger]

El Austriaco,

Thanks, Rio is on my list to visit on my next trek. Funny, when I was there last, at the airport women were speaking to me in Portuguese thinking I was a local. When they discovered I was American they started kissing me. Airport personnel (women) and a few ladies I met. With a reception like that, one has to make a return trip. I dated a brazilian lady once for a few months until she started that voodoo stuff. See ya!

I'll start my airfare shopping. Enjoy!

[Prosal]

I have been in a lot of clubs over the years and have met girls I know from Barbarellas and Franks, sometimes working sometimes with clients sometimes just having fun..

Many GdPs live in Zona Norte, Duque de Caxias or Nova Iguacu, and a VERY good spot to meet GdPs 'off duty', but also meninas - freebies - from Baixa Fluminense not affected by the "I'm a Zona Sul Goddesse" attitude that many Cariocas non-pros cherish is Via Show, a HUGE and very happening disco on the Linha Vermelha. I think that there's now also a new branch in Niteroi, near Praia de Icarai (?).

The Nova Iguacu location (Linha Vermelha) is accessible by almost any bus going North, and Niteroi also by bus by the looong bridge, or by the barcas (ferries) which leave from Praca XV in Centro. The barcas run all night long every 45 minutes I think, so it's not a problem to go there, even late, and also to go back to Rio. By the way the views during the short trip are really fantastic.

[El Austriaco]

Many GdPs live in Zona Norte, in Duque de Caxias or Nova Iguacu, and also in Niteroi.

A VERY good spot to meet GdPs 'off duty', but also meninas - freebies - from Baixa Fluminense not affected by the "I'm a Zona Sul Goddesse" attitude that many Cariocas non-pros cherish is Via Show, a HUGE and very happening disco on the Linha Vermelha.
And in Ramos, Bom Sucesso, Grajaú. And in Zone Oeste, in Jacarepaguá, Campo Grande, for example.

You might wanna specify, though, that these and the areas you mention are definitely not for the Portuguese-impaired or newbies to go out and explore. Also, it's not exactly easy to go there and get back unless you know what you are doing. For those who don't know, it's about twice the distance from Zona Sul to the airport, past the very end of the Linha Vermelha, just off Rod. Presidente Dutra (in the direction of São Paulo), roughly at km 167. Can't miss it if you take that highway. In any case, we are talking deep Zona Norte/borderline Baixada Fluminense here. Think Belford Roxo at the same height as Duque de Caxias, more or less.

EA

[Prosal]

You might wanna specify, though, that these and the areas you mention are definitely not for the Portuguese-impaired or newbies to go out and explore. Also, it's not exactly easy to go there and go back unless you know what you are doing.

You're right.

Without being controversial, the idea that some guys can fly halfway around the world to Brasil and then stick to a shithole like Copacabana is beyond me.

[Rio Bob]

I suppose there are many factors that go into finding the GFE. Some supercede others. Another factor that is often overlooked that I believe makes a difference is staying in apartments rather than hotels. I'm almost certain that with all things being equal the monger who stays in a apt is going to have a higher percentage of GFEs than the guy in a hotel. To a GDP an apartment in a way symbolizes home. Being at "home" puts them at ease and into their comfort zones. It's a more psychologically satisfying environment to be in for a length of time, with more pleasant surroundings thus it puts them in a more relaxed state. I really don't know why so many guys choose to stay in hotels (even the experienced veterans) every time. I don't see the reason being a matter of security as so many wind up staying in cheap hotels with no security. And they're more expensive also.

Apartments are the only way to go.

I agree with this and I'll give you my reason. I have stayed in both hotels and apartments through the years. If a girl comes to your hotel and you want her to stay all night then the next day lets say 10 AM she has to leave your room and go into the lobby with all the normal families and guests mulling around in their shorts and beach clothes and she has on her Lady of the Evening evening clothes. This has to be embarrasing to her, I have seen many girls try to avoid this and leave as early as possible. On the other hand if she is staying in your apartment she doesn't have to deal with that, they don't try to leave as early, it's much more leisurely and less stressful. Also when you bring them in at night, I have seen some of the night desk clerks be rather rude to these girls when checking them in and rude to me too because they're jealous because they are working a dead end job as a night hotel clerk and I am having the time of my life in their country with their women. Not all the clerks are this way, sure I have had some good ones but I have seen it. Stressful for her and stressful for me.

Also the charges in a hotel, everytime you bring a girl up and it could be more than 1 a day, you gotta pay for each. Not just that, if you want to bring more than 1 up, it's almost impossible, who needs this.

[Exec Talent]

You're right.

Without being controversial, the idea that some guys can fly halfway around the world to Brasil and then stick to a shithole like Copacabana is beyond me.

Most of the girls we meet in Copacabana are not from there, they only get hardened there. If you met them early enough or in Niteroi or Zona Norte they are quite different.

We have had some excellent information here on Centro alternatives. It would be great to hear more about experiences in other parts of Rio, not just Copacabana, Centro and Vila Mimosa.

[Ezinho]

Also when you bring them in at night, I have seen some of the night desk clerks be rather rude to these girls when checking them in and rude to me too because they're jealous because they are working a dead end job as a night hotel clerk and I am having the time of my life in their country with their women.
Well, believe it or not, some people actually have morals and values, and are opposed to *****mongering, strange as it may seem.

Not me, though!


Many GdPs live in Zona Norte, Duque de Caxias or Nova Iguacu, and a VERY good spot to meet GdPs 'off duty', but also meninas - freebies - from Baixa Fluminense not affected by the "I'm a Zona Sul Goddesse" attitude that many Cariocas non-pros cherish is Via Show, a HUGE and very happening disco on the Linha Vermelha. I think that there's now also a new branch in Niteroi, near Praia de Icarai (?).

Without being controversial, the idea that some guys can fly halfway around the world to Brasil and then stick to a shithole like Copacabana is beyond me.
So, what's the deal with Via Show, did the Evangelicals succeed into turning it into a church, or is it still going strong? I hardly ever read anything about it on this thread. It's a pain in the ass to get to from Zona Sul, but definitely worth it; a good mixture of off-duty pros and slutty non-pros. They should just change the name of the place to Via Sl*ut.

As for Copa being a shithole, I certainly agree, but if that's what some guys prefer, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Every now and then I like to go to shitholes too; if you guys have seen my posts in the Ecuador section you know what I'm talking about. And besides, sometimes shitholes can even be fun!

[Exec Talent]

I have been by there many times but never knew it was a place to meet girls. Could some of you guys detail your experiences? This is starting to get interesting.

[Rastaman]

Here's the Via Show Website:

http://www.viashow.com.br/index.php

[Prosal]

I have been by there many times but never knew it was a place to meet girls.


Nice joke Exec. I love this kind of abstruse humour.

[Exec Talent]

Nice joke Exec. I love this kind of abstruse humour.

I have never been THERE, just by it on my way to Zona Norte. I know that it is a place where they hold concerts, but beyond that, I am clueless.

Some of you guys have such a great knowledge of Rio that I think you take it for granted that others are on the same page. I for one admit I have a lot to learn which is why I was very interested in your earlier comments. I have spent time in Niteroi but with a regular girl. The way I was treated there was generally much differently than I am in Copacabana.

I am willing to venture out and explore. Those of you whom have already done so can provide some very valuable information. Thanks.

[Bravo]

I have been by there many times but never knew it was a place to meet girls. Could some of you guys detail your experiences? This is starting to get interesting.


Ive been with a couple of guys and basically we just use the "point and summon" technique. The girls will definately notice a table full of Americans and you will see them looking up at your booth, just ask them if they want to come upstairs, then pay their entrance. We have also pulled women who were in other booths, to come and join us (3 tables, full of alcohol and food helped)

[Lorenzo]

Also the charges in a hotel, everytime you bring a girl up and it could be more than 1 a day, you gotta pay for each. Not just that, if you want to bring more than 1 up, it's almost impossible, who needs this.
The way to avoid this is to reserve the room for two people. The diario is almost always the same whether you reserve for one or for two. If you reserve for two, when you bring a garota back you will probably have to have her register and show ID (giving you a chance to see her real name :D), but they won't charge you. The Sheraton is amazingly lenient in this respect. You can bring back a different girl every night and they won't charge you, but she will always have to register. At Augusto's, an underrated budget hotel in Copa, they will let you bring in the first garota free but will charge for any new ones after that. The decision regarding whether to stay in a hotel or apartment is entirely an individual one, and whatever choice a monger makes should be respected. All we can do is state the pros and cons of our experiences and let newbies make up their own minds, or better yet, learn from experience.

To change the subject: has anyone been to Asa Branca, the forro place in Lapa? If so, is it a place to meet garotas, especially GDPs? I hear it's in a pretty rough neighborhood. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Lorenzo

[Mangera]

I visited Neteroi a couple of times during November of last year, my first with a brazilian friend, and I was able to get a phone number from an employee at a cafe with my very basic portuguese.

As for pros, I walked for quite a while trying to find termas or anything remotely close to that scene, and I did not have much luck. Granted, its a pain in the ass getting to Neteroi from Ipanema, where I like to stay during my visits to Rio. But I actually enjoy my time getting from one place to another. I am sure there has to be some mongering locations in Niteroi. Can anyone elaborate on this location.

I plan on exploring Niteroi a bit more when I get back in June.

[El Austriaco]

Without being controversial, the idea that some guys can fly halfway around the world to Brasil and then stick to a shithole like Copacabana is beyond me.
I am the adventurous type, too, but if you call Copacabana a shithole within the context of greater Rio, then I think it is worthwhile to point out to everyone that anything you will see in Zona Norte once you get past Rio Comprido and Sao Cristovao might be the nastiest shitholes you have seen anywhere.

I have taken that highway on numerous occasions all the way into the Serra das Araras and beyond, and until you get to Piraí, no neighborhood along the way looks even halfway decent, and most look pretty nasty. If you do go, you don't even need any Portuguese to figure out pretty fast you are definitely, no-doubt-about-it not in Kansas anymore. Or in Copacabana, for that matter.

BTW, along the HW in Belford Roxo and Nova Iguacu, there are TONS of what look like drive-in love motels, and huge ones at that. Anyone ever mongered out there? I never got the chance. Or are those just places where the bosses take their secretaries?

EA

[Mr Enternational]

You might wanna specify, though, that these and the areas you mention are definitely not for the Portuguese-impaired or newbies to go out and explore. Also, it's not exactly easy to go there and get back unless you know what you are doing. EAVia Show is definitely the spot to be. I haven't been there in a couple of years. It is about a 45 real taxi ride from Copa. I once took the study abroad students who were in Rio from the same grad school that I attended. There were 14 of us total. We paid to get a booth. I think regular entrance was like 5 reais general admission, but if you wanted to have a booth upstairs you had to pay 7 reais to enter. They had a concert and everything. At the end of the night our tab was 300 reais, which included food and getting some people as drunk as skunks. So that was only 28 reais/person including cover charge. You can not eat a half of a meal at Meia Pataca for that much. We left the club about 4, but it didn't appear anywhere near closing. It seemed there was a bigger party outside than there was inside. There were street vendors and people everywhere. It looked like carnaval. There were also the street kids too. I remember one kid begging and he didn't have on shoes. One of the girls in my group felt sorry for him and gave him 10 reais. He told her thanks then he went to put on his shoes. It was hilarious.

[Java Man]

I've been to this Forro Club several times. It's in Lapa, by the Arches. Rough neighborhood?....yeah, I guess. As always keep your wits about you.
On the weekends, the area is like a festival. There are several clubs and bars, and venders set up Barracas selling food and drink. It attracts a very large under 30 crowd. Lots of hotties. You know how Vila Mimosa gets crowded on the weekends? It's like that, but without the near naked GDP's.

As for Asa Branca, R20 cover for guys, R10 for gals. Drinks are cheap, I recommend the bucket of beer. It can get very crowded. Crowd looks like typical mid class carioca. They have live bands, and DJ. Different nights they play other music. I've only gone on Friday and Saturday-forro nights. Lots of couples, groups of single guys and girls. GDP? I don't know. I've always gone accompanied. On the times I've gone, I saw a few hotties, usually with someone. Best if you speak Portuguese. This area is "alive" til sunrise.

[Prosal]

I have never been THERE, just by it on my way to Zona Norte.

I've read too fast your post and understood "I've been there many times but ..." instead of "I've been BY there many times but ..".

My bad.

[Bubba Boy]

I have spent a lot of time in and around deep zona norte and baixada fluminense. A girl I know lives out there and I go and hang with her and her family most weekends. Her brothers and cousins are the typical good looking Cariocas that basically work when they can and then f**k when there not working. Basically they split their time evenly between each activity. Anyway, they tell me there is a shitload of little casas and cheap termas. Average price R10 for a quick bang. Hence yeah there is mongering there but quality would not be that great, but I guess one could awlays find a gem.

The locals find it pretty easy to bang the local girls, anyone that knows anyone out there can pretty much get laid every other night, the quality of the local girls is high, a connected gringo would have more pussy than he could handle. Buying a few beers wins a lot of pussy. One needs to be careful who one bangs though, one mistake could be your last on this planet. This area has one of the highest murder rates in Rio.

There is a shitload of Motels on the road that goes past Via Show. The same road goes all the way to São Paulo, about a 5 hour drive away. The 2 biggest from memory is the one that looks like a castle on the way out of town and the "stop time" on the way back into town.

I am thinking the locals use the love hotels to bang the locals girls, the girl that they should not be banging. Despite the risks of being shot, which is a likely outcome if you bang someones wife or girl, there are plenty of people willing to take the risk. The propensity to take life threatening risks in Rio is a trait of the local people. You see it in the way they drive and who's wife they are prepared to bang. Possibly half the deaths in the area are due to banging someones woman.

[Bubba Boy]

I was with a new girl 2 months ago out in her suburb, near the end of the train line on line 2 (deep in Zona Norte) and she turns to me and says "é muito feio aqui?" (its very ugly here). Usually one can find *something* nice to say about even the worst, ugliest places, however in this case I was without words for a good 10 seconds. I just couldn't find anything pleasant to say about how the place looks. In the end, because I knew she had been to Europe and had obviuosly seen some beautiful places in her time,I just said "sim, é feio aqui".

I agree with EA, zona norte, although I love the girls from there is really one of the ugliest shitholes on the planet.

[El Greco]

I've been to this Forro Club several times. It's in Lapa, by the Arches. Rough neighborhood?....yeah, I guess. As always keep your wits about you.
On the weekends, the area is like a festival. There are several clubs and bars, and venders set up Barracas selling food and drink. It attracts a very large under 30 crowd. Lots of hotties. You know how Vila Mimosa gets crowded on the weekends? It's like that, but without the near naked GDP's.

As for Asa Branca, R20 cover for guys, R10 for gals. Drinks are cheap, I recommend the bucket of beer. It can get very crowded. Crowd looks like typical mid class carioca. They have live bands, and DJ. Different nights they play other music. I've only gone on Friday and Saturday-forro nights. Lots of couples, groups of single guys and girls. GDP? I don't know. I've always gone accompanied. On the times I've gone, I saw a few hotties, usually with someone. Best if you speak Portuguese. This area is "alive" til sunrise.

Cover used to be R6 a year, or so, ago. Now is it R20?
That is more than 300% inflated.

Lots of "portaria" type guys and lots of "favela" type girls.
Not for everyone but a good place to try. Very easy to score there.

I used to go there after my "Rio Scenarium" nights on Rua do Lavradio close by. FRI & SAT are the best nights to go.

[Java Man]

I was relying on memory when I stated the cover. So I called my "friend" in Rio. She believes it's R8 for women and R10 for men.

[Cachorro]

To change the subject: has anyone been to Asa Branca, the forro place in Lapa? If so, is it a place to meet garotas, especially GDPs? I hear it's in a pretty rough neighborhood. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Asa Branca is OK. It has a live band and a focus on dancing in couples. So it can get pretty social cause people are inviting each other to dance.

I really don't think you would find any GDPs there. There are regular carioca girls there... like any place in Rio they can be very friendly if approached in the right way.

The cover charge changes, depending on the night. As always, if you want the place to be full of girls, go there on a night where the cover charge is free for girls or maximum a few reals.

For non-pros, I would recommend the Feira de Sao Cristovao. Not cause the girls are beautiful (they are not that great), but the atmosphere is social and people are just hanging out and listening to the forro and waiting to meet people. It's free entrance. Go on a night with good weather, as it's open air.

[Java Man]

Reminds me of a Flea Market, lots restaurants, bars and small shops. I think even a butcher shop! You've seen it on the way to and from the International airport.
Went a few times, like cachorro said, lots of regular cariocas. I remember arriving one time at 4a, with some buddies, we left around 8a. Drank like fish and had some food, total cost was like R80!

This place is ALIVE Friday night to sunrise Monday morning!!

For info on the Rio Club scene and other entertainment info check this site:

http://www.riofesta.com.br/

click "noites e festas" and "bares"

[SlickdySlick]

Does anyone know if Shenangans is still open and have you been there lately and where exactly is it.

Also whats the best Kareoke spot in Rio?

Thanks

[Prosal]

Via Show is definitely the spot to be. .

Thanks for your good post. I must say that the nights out in Via Show are some of the best memories I keep from my stays in Rio.

Have you also been to the Niteroi branch ?

[Amerioca]

I visited Neteroi a couple of times during November of last year, my first with a brazilian friend, and I was able to get a phone number from an employee at a cafe with my very basic portuguese.

As for pros, I walked for quite a while trying to find termas or anything remotely close to that scene, and I did not have much luck. Granted, its a pain in the ass getting to Neteroi from Ipanema, where I like to stay during my visits to Rio. But I actually enjoy my time getting from one place to another. I am sure there has to be some mongering locations in Niteroi. Can anyone elaborate on this location.

I plan on exploring Niteroi a bit more when I get back in June.

I lived in Icarai for many months. The mongering scene is limited to the centro area, which is in front of the ferry terminals. BTW, there is good hunting in the mall nearby.

Yes, the distance is a PITA since it's across the bay. One could take a taxi or bus to the Praca XV and take the ferry across OR catch a van in Zona Sul for Nit. I preferred the later.

Will pass through the area in a few weeks. If I run across anything interesting, I'll report back.

[Mr Enternational]

Thanks for your good post. I must say that the nights out in Via Show are some of the best memories I keep from my stays in Rio.
Have you also been to the Niteroi branch ?I didn´t know there was a Niteroi branch until you mentioned it yesterday.


Reminds me of a Flea Market, lots restaurants, bars and small shops. I think even a butcher shop! You've seen it on the way to and from the International airport.

Went a few times, like cachorro said, lots of regular cariocas. I remember arriving one time at 4a, with some buddies, we left around 8a. Drank like fish and had some food, total cost was like R80!

This place is ALIVE Friday night to sunrise Monday morning!!I like going on Sunday afternoons. Last time I was there it was 5 of us. We spent the same R80 that you did. We had fried fishes, steak, salad, and drinks.


As for pros, I walked for quite a while trying to find termas or anything remotely close to that scene, and I did not have much luck. Granted, its a pain in the ass getting to Neteroi from Ipanema, As Amerioca said, it is best to get a van from Zona Sul to Niteroi. It only costs about R4. I can not speak on the P4P scene. However, I like going to Itacoatiara Beach over there. Me and my girlfriend took the van from Copa to the bus station in Niteroi. Then we took a bus to the beach. She couldn't remember how to get there so she had to keep calling to ask her friend. The main age range is from maybe late teens to early thirties. There were only a couple of families there. While we were there she said that all of the girls look like models. I was behind my sunglasses thinking Yes They Do! She said there is another good beach there (which is where we were originally going), but her friend said that there is no bus that goes there.

[Bubba Boy]

**Termas Excentric in Niteroi**
Tier 2 terma
Address:- Rua da Conceicao 132, Niteroi
Hours:- 6pm until late, Would assume M-F.
Break down of Prices:-
R20, Entrance + 5 beers.
R125, Room hire 40 minutes + girl
R145 in total, if you session for a girl for 40 minutes.

I had heard of this terma many times before. Pelicano (23rd jan, 07) posted most of the info on this T. I have yet to go there but intend to one day.

To get there from Rio (niteroi is located across the bay from Centro), take the barcas (ferry) at Praca 15 and once in Niteroi go across the avenue in front of the barcas and one block to the left the street begins and about 2 blocks ahead, it is on the right side of the street. The entrance is a little difficult to find as it is a narow stairway going up to the second floor.

No robes are required, has a great party atmosphere, playing funk, live strip show with guests participating and about 20 or more non pushy garotas, which will actualy tell you no if they do not feel like going with you (my local friend actualy got turned down by a fake loira). Mostly morenas and mulatas only a couple of fake blonds. Patrons are mostly middle class brasilians and I didn't notice any gringoes around except myself.

We got there about midnight and stayed until 5 AM, spent several hours just trying to finish off the 5 choppes allowed with the entrance fee.

[Pipe Layer99]

MC has a special from 12 - 16 Mar for those lucky enough to be over there now. You get a free room, which means you save R60. Here is the link they sent me via email.

Print this out, take it with you and give it to the receptionist.

Termas Monte Carlo <mail@eleela.com.br>

SEMANA MALUCA

Isso mesmo a promoção mais quente da cidade está de volta!!!!!

Do dia 12/03 a 16/03 a sua cabine é gratuita!!!

Desconto de R$ 60,00

Para isto, basta apresentar este e-mail impresso na recepção.

Chame seus amigos e venha *** momentos de lazer inesquecíveis.

Atenção: Esta promoção não é cumulativa, ou seja não pode ser usada com outras promoções.

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If you don't have contact with them, send them an email and join their list. Do it for all Termas you wish to visit. I usually get different invitations from various termas throughout the year.

This should be my 100th post and I wanted to contribute something more than just my words of wisdom :-))

Take care, play safe and enjoy. Donnie D

[Flexinbk]

[QUOTE=SlickdySlick]Does anyone know if Shenangans is still open and have you been there lately and where exactly is it.

Which one Barra or Ipanema? Anyway Ipanema,don't know if its still open -112 Rua Visconde de Piraja, 21-2267-5860, gotta look for the address for Barra, if you need that one.

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[Amerioca]

I had heard of this terma many times before. Pelicano (23rd jan, 07) posted most of the info on this T. I have yet to go there but intend to one day.

To get there from Rio (niteroi is located across the bay from Centro), take the barcas (ferry) at Praca 15 and once in Niteroi go across the avenue in front of the barcas and one block to the left the street begins and about 2 blocks ahead, it is on the right side of the street. The entrance is a little difficult to find as it is a narow stairway going up to the second floor.

No robes are required, has a great party atmosphere, playing funk, live strip show with guests participating and about 20 or more non pushy garotas, which will actualy tell you no if they do not feel like going with you (my local friend actualy got turned down by a fake loira). Mostly morenas and mulatas only a couple of fake blonds. Patrons are mostly middle class brasilians and I didn't notice any gringoes around except myself.

We got there about midnight and stayed until 5 AM, spent several hours just trying to finish off the 5 choppes allowed with the entrance fee.Just thought of T in Nit, it was called "Casa Branca. " Located a several blocks in from the ferry terminal, two-story building, second floor. Small place. Mainly morenas. Ran across the place by accident.

Remember paying a small entrada. Patrons wore regular street attire. Half dozen meninas. Cashiers booth sold service tickets/coupons. Basically, you purchased the service you wanted, handed a menina your ticket, and off to the quarta. I don't think I paid more than 40 or 50 are total, including session and a soda.

There was a menu to look at. It had everything from BJ to straight sex to 2 guys/1menina. All priced accordingly. It was like ordering at a restaurant!

[World Travel 69]

I went to Av. N.S. de Copacabana 583 apt 203.

There were seven beauties, 7-9s. I had Sara for 30 mins. Great BBBJ, DATY.
What a body. I will not have time to go back this trip, but will someone bring a camera with them. She sounded like it would be OK. I want to see her again. Knocked my socks off.

[HoleRanger]

I'am planning my first trip to Rio(well my second, the first one was work). I would like to stay in a hotel close to the action(Help,4x4,65 etc.) and monger friendly. I speak no Portuguese right now but I will do some online learning over the next 30 days hopefully so I can p/u a basic understanding. What I need is a short list of hotels in the $100.00 range(+/-)$25.00 that are monger friendly. I've come across a few names here but would like some more specific locations/feedback. After trips to Panama and CR,I just have to check out Rio for some fun. Any information would be appreciated.

Enjoy!

[World Travel 69]

I also went N.S. de Copacabana 583, apt 204. They are 8 or so Garotas, between 7-8. In my opinion. I had Neena. Great, nice young body, early 20s. Very good at what she new. DATY and BBBJ, R$80 for 30 mins.

[Sunset Strip]

Hole Ranger,

You should probably scroll down and post your question on the Hotel thread.
I am pretty sure you will get more responses there.

TJ

[Orebell]

I wanted to say thanks to all on this message board who have contributed. I am a new member here and have been reading through a lot of stuff. There is a lot to digest. I have actually thought about taking a trip to Rio for a long time, but I am a married guy whose wife would surely not approve of such a trip. So what I am actually trying to do is make my Rio trip in conjunction with a previously scheduled business trip I already have planned but instead of going on the business trip, I am going to go to Rio instead. I have two potential dates set out that I am going to try and pull this off. One opportunity will be in early June and the next opportunity will be in mid-January. I really want to go in June to Rio, but I think in terms of what I am trying to do, early Jan would be better because my business trip is to Mexico. If I run into any unforseen snags, I think it will be a lot easier to blame it on Mexico than blame it on another city in the US which is where my June meeting is.

What I would like to so is generally lay out a plan and see what some of you think of my plan. Ok, first off, I have about 5 days, not counting travel days to spend in Rio. I am still contemplating on whether to rent an apartment or stay in a hotel. I am leaning towards hotel just because it will be a lot easier to book and plus all the other conviences of a hotel that an apartment does not have. Still on the fence on that one. Honestly, for this being my first trip, I don't plan on bringing any girls back with me, but keeping it an option is something to consider.

This is purely a sex trip. Sightseeing is not on my agenda whatsoever. I am not saying I might not do some, but that is not the main reason I plan on coming. I am a US strip club sort of person. I really like strip clubs and I think what I really like about the strip clubs is one can see a lot of different girls and can experience different girls. Variety is very nice. I enjoy hanging out in strip clubs, having a drink or two, getting some dances from different girls and generally hanging out. So based on that, I think the Termas setup sounds like it would really work well for me. There are 5 Termas's that I have put on my hit list. I figure I can hit all 5 on my list in 3 days/4 days max. I then figure for my last day which ever Termas I had the best time in I will make a return trip to. Of course that plan is subject to change, but overall that is my general plan.

I do plan on hitting Help and the beach of course, but there are no plans for picking anyone up and taking them back to a hotel or my room. However, I might come across someone I just cannot pass up on and who knows.

I do have a couple of concerns. One is making a phone call back to the US. I was thinking that I could use Skype to do that. I do have a US Skype account, but I am not sure how that would work in Rio. Has anyone here used Skype from Rio to make a phone call back to the US? I figured if I could do that, I could avoid having to get a phone while I am there or mess around with making a phone call from the hotel. After all, I need to be discreet and using Skype would not identify where the phone call is coming from.

The other concern I have is the language. I do not speak Portugese at all. I have picked up some things to start learning, but getting a good grasp on a new language takes time. I am not sure by June I will be able to learn a lot. Going in January will allow me more time to pick up some additional learning of the language. My question is how much of an issue will not knowing much of the language be.

Would appreciate any comments. Also, if there are any of you who have planned a trip like this, especially those who might be married, what else should I be aware of to keep this discreet as possible.

[Mr Enternational]

I arrived in Rio today from Sao Paulo. Anybody want to get together and get some drinks or some pussy or something?

[Yariv]

Beware of ordering whisky in places like "help" and "baronetti" as it was discovered by the Policia Militar that the Red Label whisky that they are serving are fake from Paraguay. How it was discovered is somebody actually got sick by drinking it and they close "help" and "baronetti" for two days.

[Java Man]

Careful when ordering that Cristal at Help....
I was surfing the Oglobo website and saw a report that counterfeit Liquor was being sold at Help and Baronetti.

http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2007/03/09/294878552.asp

Best as I can translate:

Local police (Delegacia de Repressao Contra a Propriedade Imaterial-DRPCIM) state they found 1,027 bottles of fake vodka, whiskey, champagne and liquor at both establishments.
The investigation follows the arrest of businessman Jose Airton Gomes Mesquita, considered one of the major counterfeiters in Rio. He maintained a counterfeit Liquor factory at his home in Ilha do Governador.
Inside Help, police found bills of sale from companies owned by Airton. Police allege that Help management knew the liquor was false as some of the counterfeits were obvious. Police believe other counterfeiters are also suppling them.
Yesterday a manager of Help, stated they did not know the liquor was fake. He stated that Help has 15 suppliers.
Baronetti issued a press release stating it was a victim and will pursue litigation if the charges are proven true.

Wow, Fake booze!

[Ee2002]

[QUOTE=Orebell]
The other concern I have is the language. I do not speak Portugese at all. I have picked up some things to start learning, but getting a good grasp on a new language takes time. I am not sure by June I will be able to learn a lot. Going in January will allow me more time to pick up some additional learning of the language. My question is how much of an issue will not knowing much of the language be.QUOTE]

Although it would be good to speak the language, it shouldn't be that much of an issue when it comes to the hobby. Most of the garotas know enough english to get the point across. The average monger that I have seen in Rio barely speak a lick of decent Portuguese and I'm not talking about newbies either and they still have a ball, so don't dwell on that too much. That being said try to learn as much basics as possible if you can, it can really enhance your experiences and help avoid some language confusions that can occur.

[SlickdySlick]

You have me cracking up Orebell LOL

My advice is DON"T DO IT!

YOU WILL GET CAUGHT!

And if you don't get caught this time you surely will when you go back cause you will go back. If you can help it don't open Pandoras box!!

If you can't help it make plans on getting caught. I get the feeling you are a black guy like myself and if your woman is anything like most black women you have no chance of getting away with this. LOL

I can almost hear you say convincing yourself how this is going work but that is your dick talking man.

1.) People can tell when you are on Sype she wil get interested and ask for the Hotel number to call you cause she misses you?

2.) What about the stamp in your passporte?

3.) What about the Brazilain visa in your passporte?

4.) Airplane tickets and iternairy lingers for a long time how will you cover the tracks of the ticket?

5.) Will your story be backed up at work if she calls the job?

6.) I had a friend try this his girl knew he was in Rio before his ass got home, I would put it pass them all to be patched into the GDP network.

Just try to help you to see if you really thought this through

[Mr Enternational]

Yeah. That is some funny shit. I can just see Orebell trying to beat his wife to the mailbox when his visa comes back. My first time in Brazil I was married and my wife and I came together. We went to Salvador and Rio. Needless to say, the day we got back home I told her I didn't want to be married anymore and I left.


You have me cracking up Orebell LOL

My advice is DON"T DO IT!

YOU WILL GET CAUGHT!

And if you don't get caught this time you surely will when you go back cause you will go back. If you can help it don't open Pandoras box!!

If you can't help it make plans on getting caught. I get the feeling you are a black guy like myself and if your woman is anything like most black women you have no chance of getting away with this. LOL

I can almost hear you say convincing yourself how this is going work but that is your dick talking man.

1.) People can tell when you are on Sype she wil get interested and ask for the Hotel number to call you cause she misses you?

2.) What about the stamp in your passporte?

3.) What about the Brazilain visa in your passporte?

4.) Airplane tickets and iternairy lingers for a long time how will you cover the tracks of the ticket?

5.) Will your story be backed up at work if she calls the job?

6.) I had a friend try this his girl knew he was in Rio before his ass got home, I would put it pass them all to be patched into the GDP network.

Just try to help you to see if you really thought this through

[Lorenzo]

Orebell,

I agree with SlickdySlick. There is no way you can get away with it. I suggest bringing your wife to Rio with you, then slipping out periodically to go to a termas. There are many ways this can be done, e.g., while she is having a massage or beauty treatment at the hotel, or by telling her you want to go out to buy her a present as a surprise. Just use your imagination, and make sure you don't come home with any pussy or latex smell on you. You may also have to explain why you can't get it up if she wants to screw right after you get back from servicing a GDP ("this tropical climate is soooo debilitating, babe!"). Have fun.

Lorenzo

[Mr Enternational]

My best friend always stays out all day with his wife then she gets tired at night and doesn´t want to go out so he goes out by himself and hits the termas. You can always say that you are going to the Casino on Nossa Senhora. I would suggest that you don´t stay anywhere near Meia Pataca and Help. She will probably catch on to all the American guys with the GDPs. Try to stay towards the Leme end or over in Ipanema.


Orebell,

I agree with SlickdySlick. There is no way you can get away with it. I suggest bringing your wife to Rio with you, then slipping out periodically to go to a termas. There are many ways this can be done, e.g., while she is having a massage or beauty treatment at the hotel, or by telling her you want to go out to buy her a present as a surprise. Just use your imagination, and make sure you don't come home with any pussy or latex smell on you. You may also have to explain why you can't get it up if she wants to screw right after you get back from servicing a GDP ("this tropical climate is soooo debilitating, babe!"). Have fun.

Lorenzo

[Java Man]

Orebell:
You have 5 days? You do realize it's a day of travel each way from the US, leaving you with 3 days in Rio.(for example: Miami flight leaves 10-11p, arrives in Rio 8a, next day.) I don't believe you'll be able to get an apartment for such a short time. If you fly out of Mexico, depending on airline, you may have to fly back to the US to make a connection.
Flying direct from Mexico, may only save you a few hours each way.
Language should not be too much of a problem with the GDP's, more of a problem with service industry, i.e. restaurants, bars, taxi, etc.
I also take it you will be flying solo. Keep your wits about you, this is no trip to the local strip club.
One last caveat:
I always tell my married friends who want to got to Rio, that they will return divorced. Not because of the wife, but because they'll want it. You'll never look at "our girls" in the same light, after getting the brazilian treatment.
I agree with Slick, you gonna get caught by the wife. Like most wives, she's not stupid. Be prepared for the argument of your life and marriage. Do you have Kobe's money to buy the wife a HUGH diamond ring?
Too many variables in your plan. btw, you know of Murphy's Law?
NO WAY YOU"LL GET AWAY WITH IT. LOL

[Rio Bob]

I do have a couple of concerns. One is making a phone call back to the US. I was thinking that I could use Skype to do that. I do have a US Skype account, but I am not sure how that would work in Rio. Has anyone here used Skype from Rio to make a phone call back to the US? I figured if I could do that, I could avoid having to get a phone while I am there or mess around with making a phone call from the hotel. After all, I need to be discreet and using Skype would not identify where the phone call is coming from.

The other concern I have is the language. I do not speak Portugese at all. I have picked up some things to start learning, but getting a good grasp on a new language takes time. I am not sure by June I will be able to learn a lot. Going in January will allow me more time to pick up some additional learning of the language. My question is how much of an issue will not knowing much of the language be.

Would appreciate any comments. Also, if there are any of you who have planned a trip like this, especially those who might be married, what else should I be aware of to keep this discreet as possible.

Rio has many internet shops and most of them have cheap telephone service using the internet. I have used it, know one knows where you are calling from, it’s clear, it’s cheap and on the caller id it shows up as "Out of Area”. You can use skype from Rio also.

Don't worry about the language, you have only 5 days there and if you plan on mostly hitting termas's then you don't need any language but money and sex, I don’t think your looking to make any friends.

Your trip sounds exciting, I think you can pull it off, my friends here at ISG I think are too conservative, go and have a ball.

Also whether you have 3 days there or 5 days there, it's still good, believe me. I have done Rio in 3 days, 2 days and even 1 day once and this 1 day trip I still talk about it with the friend who went with me, it was great. If you're married 3 days in Rio is like a blessing, believe me, it’s worth the risk, Just do it. Only problem I see is that you will want to come back and back and back. One girl I know who works in Help for 10 years always tells me it’s the same people over and over again coming to Rio; you may be one of them.

[Rio Bob]

Careful when ordering that Cristal at Help....
I was surfing the Oglobo website and saw a report that counterfeit Liquor was being sold at Help and Baronetti.

http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2007/03/09/294878552.asp

Best as I can translate:

Local police (Delegacia de Repressao Contra a Propriedade Imaterial-DRPCIM) state they found 1,027 bottles of fake vodka, whiskey, champagne and liquor at both establishments.
The investigation follows the arrest of businessman Jose Airton Gomes Mesquita, considered one of the major counterfeiters in Rio. He maintained a counterfeit Liquor factory at his home in Ilha do Governador.
Inside Help, police found bills of sale from companies owned by Airton. Police allege that Help management knew the liquor was false as some of the counterfeits were obvious. Police believe other counterfeiters are also suppling them.
Yesterday a manager of Help, stated they did not know the liquor was fake. He stated that Help has 15 suppliers.
Baronetti issued a press release stating it was a victim and will pursue litigation if the charges are proven true.

Wow, Fake booze!

Thanks, great translation, I always wondered if they put cheaper booze in the top shelf brands. I drink Black label in Help and I never tasted anything funny about it. I also frequent an Italian restaurant on Ave Atlantica that serves Lemonjello , Lemonjello is only made in Italy but the manager told me that this lemonjello is made in Brasil, a counterfeit, he told me he could get me some but I never did, I’m sure this is happening in more places than Help or Baronetti.

[Bubba Boy]

I believe the best bet would to tell the wife you are going to Sao Paulo. That is a believable destination for business. I would also give the wife a number that is not connected for the hotel. Then just say Brazil telephones suck. Or use your own cell phone on global roaming, get her to call you and then call her back on skype. Skype will work fine and there is an invisible mode with Skpye, hence she won't know when you are online or not. I wouldn't take a wife to Rio, but then again I have never agreed withn the whole getting married thing, hence maybe I miss the point in this regards.

First time trip, stay at a hotel. For about R200- R240 per night you will get Internet, a good 4 star standard and won't have any problems. Princess Copacabana is a good bet, as are accor hotels.

If you love US strip clubs, you will fucking think you have died and gone to heaven in the Termas. Think of a Terma as a "full contact" strip club.

Chances of divorce, 90% on your return, you will not want to put up with any complaining or whinging from the wife ever again.

[Rio Regular]

I am with the rest of our brothers.

I have been coming down since 2000 and have had the luxury of being down here with business. There were a few years where I ran a business on my own and I looked for reasons to be down there. My wife definitely thought I had a family down in Rio.

After 6 Carnavals with my buddies I finally brought her down. We stayed in Ipanema and did all the tourist things danced in the samba school and all. She fell in love with Rio and now encourages me to go as much as I can!!!!

Your situation creates too many opportunites for disaster. The best example is any emergency. If you get sick or run into a problem with the police your busted. If you need cash or need to use your credit card for whatever reason you are busted. Any hotel will run your card for a deposit even if you pay cash.

The calls back to the US are the least of your worries.

My recomendation is to just tell your wife you are coming down because you either have to for work or you just want to. Many guys in the US spend more money then you will on golf trips many times a year. Traveling throughout Brazil needs to become your new hobby and passion. (And it will!!!)

Have the hard conversation once then you will be free.

Good luck,

RR

[Rio Rio]

You have me cracking up Orebell LOL

My advice is DON"T DO IT!

YOU WILL GET CAUGHT!

And if you don't get caught this time you surely will when you go back cause you will go back. If you can help it don't open Pandoras box!!

If you can't help it make plans on getting caught. I get the feeling you are a black guy like myself and if your woman is anything like most black women you have no chance of getting away with this. LOL

I can almost hear you say convincing yourself how this is going work but that is your dick talking man. Man He is right,[Hey slick/c.s you know who this is,] my x-wife knew before I even left Rio.Been there done that.Well I`m divorced now, not because of Rio but because we realized we are better off as friends, It`s funny though the things guys do to get at that ass. Well I`m free now so I can get at it all I want. Man when you get back you won`t look at your wife the same way, but just remember two can play that game.Well anyway have a safe trip slick/ C.s, Say hello to Renata for me. peace. I`ll holla

1.) People can tell when you are on Sype she wil get interested and ask for the Hotel number to call you cause she misses you?

2.) What about the stamp in your passporte?

3.) What about the Brazilain visa in your passporte?

4.) Airplane tickets and iternairy lingers for a long time how will you cover the tracks of the ticket?

5.) Will your story be backed up at work if she calls the job?

6.) I had a friend try this his girl knew he was in Rio before his ass got home, I would put it pass them all to be patched into the GDP network.

Just try to help you to see if you really thought this through Man He is right,[Hey slick/c.s you know who this is,] my x-wife knew before I even left Rio.Been there done that.Well I`m divorced now, not because of Rio but because we realized we are better off as friends, It`s funny though the things guys do to get at that ass. Well I`m free now so I can get at it all I want. Man when you get back you won`t look at your wife the same way, but just remember two can play that game.Well anyway have a safe trip slick/ C.s, Say hello to Renata for me. peace. I`ll holla

[Brazilman]

Orebell, Let me give you the best advice you will ever get.You did something really stupid and got married.You fell for the jesus/cathlolic church fairy tale.You need to start to take money from your assests in cash.Sell this,sell that,do whatever you can and then GET DIVORCED.Dont waste the rest of your life being forced to sleep with some ball and chain.Stick with the girls in brazil for the next 10 years.ONce you go once, you will always go back, and when she catches you, she will get half.Liquidate as much as possible.Marriage is a joke and you now know it.I dont know how old you are but dont waste another day married.If you are black, like the other guy said, when she takes half you might want to kill her like OJ ,but you wont get off.Your not a rich and famous football player that had 11 black tools on the jury.You my friend, will probably get 12 smart people.Im trying to save you from prison."i dont want to get caught" LOL

[Wild Cherokee]

Yeah. That is some funny shit. I can just see Orebell trying to beat his wife to the mailbox when his visa comes back. My first time in Brazil I was married and my wife and I came together. We went to Salvador and Rio. Needless to say, the day we got back home I told her I didn't want to be married anymore and I left.

Mr. E,

Say it ain't so! Is this fact or fiction? I can't stop laughing!

WC

[Brazilman]

cherokee,how much did the divorce cost you and did your wife ask WHY????

[RonnyRon]

Orebell,

I have no advice on how to pull your trip off, but if you do, please provide a report when you get back! I live with my girl and she knows I am going to Rio. She has even seen the pictures. Good luck. You are going to need it.

RR

[Java Man]

FYI:
I've gotten calls from those internet cafes in Rio, a Rio number appears on my caller ID, more often than not.

One other thing for Orebell to consider:
I first started going to Rio 5 yrs ago. At the time I was in a 6 yr relationship, but not married. That relationship ended when I returned from Rio. Now I'm in Rio every 3 months. :D

[Lonzof]

I wanted to say thanks to all on this message board who have contributed. I am a new member here and have been reading through a lot of stuff. There is a lot to digest. I have actually thought about taking a trip to Rio for a long time, but I am a married guy whose wife would surely not approve of such a trip. So what I am actually trying to do is make my Rio trip in conjunction with a previously scheduled business trip I already have planned but instead of going on the business trip, I am going to go to Rio instead. I have two potential dates set out that I am going to try and pull this off. One opportunity will be in early June and the next opportunity will be in mid-January. I really want to go in June to Rio, but I think in terms of what I am trying to do, early Jan would be better because my business trip is to Mexico. If I run into any unforseen snags, I think it will be a lot easier to blame it on Mexico than blame it on another city in the US which is where my June meeting is.

What I would like to so is generally lay out a plan and see what some of you think of my plan. Ok, first off, I have about 5 days, not counting travel days to spend in Rio. I am still contemplating on whether to rent an apartment or stay in a hotel. I am leaning towards hotel just because it will be a lot easier to book and plus all the other conviences of a hotel that an apartment does not have. Still on the fence on that one. Honestly, for this being my first trip, I don't plan on bringing any girls back with me, but keeping it an option is something to consider.

This is purely a sex trip. Sightseeing is not on my agenda whatsoever. I am not saying I might not do some, but that is not the main reason I plan on coming. I am a US strip club sort of person. I really like strip clubs and I think what I really like about the strip clubs is one can see a lot of different girls and can experience different girls. Variety is very nice. I enjoy hanging out in strip clubs, having a drink or two, getting some dances from different girls and generally hanging out. So based on that, I think the Termas setup sounds like it would really work well for me. There are 5 Termas's that I have put on my hit list. I figure I can hit all 5 on my list in 3 days/4 days max. I then figure for my last day which ever Termas I had the best time in I will make a return trip to. Of course that plan is subject to change, but overall that is my general plan.

I do plan on hitting Help and the beach of course, but there are no plans for picking anyone up and taking them back to a hotel or my room. However, I might come across someone I just cannot pass up on and who knows.

I do have a couple of concerns. One is making a phone call back to the US. I was thinking that I could use Skype to do that. I do have a US Skype account, but I am not sure how that would work in Rio. Has anyone here used Skype from Rio to make a phone call back to the US? I figured if I could do that, I could avoid having to get a phone while I am there or mess around with making a phone call from the hotel. After all, I need to be discreet and using Skype would not identify where the phone call is coming from.

The other concern I have is the language. I do not speak Portugese at all. I have picked up some things to start learning, but getting a good grasp on a new language takes time. I am not sure by June I will be able to learn a lot. Going in January will allow me more time to pick up some additional learning of the language. My question is how much of an issue will not knowing much of the language be.

Would appreciate any comments. Also, if there are any of you who have planned a trip like this, especially those who might be married, what else should I be aware of to keep this discreet as possible.

Odell,

You have a few options and I can give you information on how to have worry free time in Rio without giving away your location. The best advice I've read thus far is to tell the spouse that you are in Sao Paulo or better yet Pirracicabba if your company is manufacturing. Never, ever bring your spouse to Rio unless you want to get divorced. Your lady will notice right away at the airport how beautiful and charming the women are. PM me for more details. It can be done without issue. It's been proven. I know guys who have been to Rio 7 plus times and only visit once a year.

Insider tip... Brazil, China, and India represent growth opportunities for many US companies so you plant the seed with your spouse that you are working on projects that at anytime your company could send you to these destinations then the difficult part is out of the way. She now knows you must travel as part of your employment. The hurdle is hiding your location. PM me.

Out.

[MrLowDown]

orebell,

i'm basically married (lived with a woman - 3 years and counting). i've travelled to rio 5 times in the last 2 years without telling her and she has never suspected anything. there are many ways to pull this off. i never use the same scheme because this woman is very crafty and will figure it out. if you are just concerned about the phone calls, here are a few scenarios.

1) get a cell phone with a good international plan that has caller id and text messaging in brazil. i know cingular and t-mobile are supposed to work just like you are in the us when you travel abroad. be careful to catch the bill before she sees it. also your calls will run you anywhere from $1.25 - $2.00 per minute. do some investigation before you try this. you may want to ask some of the board members about their phone plans and experiences

2) get a good friend in the states to keep your cell phone for you. when you call from brazil, call this friend and have him 3-way your wifey. she will see on the caller id that you are calling from your phone. your friend will; need to be very quiet...maybe mute the phone after he patches you in. the only problem with this plan is that you need to make sure you are in a quiet place and don't have lots of people around you speaking portuguese when you make the call. also, make sure that you have a good connection. international phone calls from brazil are low quality and sometimes sound horrible.

3) get vonage! vonage works anywhere you have a high speed internet connection. my business phone is a vonage phone and i am able to make and receive phone calls worldwide. the internet doesn't know that you are in brazil. you dial the numbers exactly as if you were in the us. you may want to lose your cell phone or forget your charger so you have an excuse to always call home from the vonage phone.

4) just call from the hotel using an international calling card. the telephone number of the calling card will show up. just tell wifey that the hotel charges $.50 per minute for outside phone calls and you would rather save some cash and use the card.

here is what i don't like when i travel like this:

1) what if you get sick and have to go to a brazilian hospital with a serious condition.

2) what if you get arrested for some reason and need someone to bail you out or access to your money?

3) what if there is some natural disaster or unforseen war stops all planes going in and out of brazil for weeks or months. what now?

4) what if something happens at home you need to get back immediately. it could take you up to 24 hours to get back to the states depending on when you learn of this emergency.

i feel bad everytime i do this. i tell nobody where i am going. if something happens to me, i could very well end up on the evening news as a missing person.

i agree with the others; if you go to brazil, you won't be able to stay away. if you keep hiding your plans, you will eventually get caught. as for me, i may get caught on purpose on my next trip. less to worry about.

ml

[The Watcher]

Orebell,

I have no advice on how to pull your trip off, but if you do, please provide a report when you get back! I live with my girl and she knows I am going to Rio. She has even seen the pictures. Good luck. You are going to need it.

RR

It seems to me that you should be the perfect guy to give advice on how to pull the trip off because you continue to go to Rio while living with a girl who has seen your pictures. I have seen your pictures so I know that the only way you can pull that off is that you are really Screaming Jay Hawkins! lol

[El Greco]

i do have a couple of concerns. one is making a phone call back to the us. i was thinking that i could use skype to do that. i do have a us skype account, but i am not sure how that would work in rio. has anyone here used skype from rio to make a phone call back to the us? i figured if i could do that, i could avoid having to get a phone while i am there or mess around with making a phone call from the hotel. after all, i need to be discreet and using skype would not identify where the phone call is coming from.


with regard to the telephone calls get your self a "vonage" account and their modem. plug it in and connect it to the hotel's high speed internet and it's like calling from the us. www.vonage.com

i am using a similar service of my country and everyone that i call tells me welcome back because they see a local number calling them.

they can not know that i am calling them from fortaleza, rio or buenos aires.

hope this might help.

[RonnyRon]

It seems to me that you should be the perfect guy to give advice on how to pull the trip off because you continue to go to Rio while living with a girl who has seen your pictures. I have seen your pictures so I know that the only way you can pull that off is that you are really Screaming Jay Hawkins! lol

My situation is quite different than Orebell, because I have no intention of hidding the fact I go to Rio or why. My position is the same as a few other guys I know. I'm going with or without her in my life. If my going to Rio is too much for her to handle, no harm no foul. We just go our separate ways. But my girl is cool with it. She know I'm on my way down next month and got me a pack of 100 mg Viagra! She work at a hospital. Hell, if she wants to go to Kingston with her girls. I would say "hell yeah, go". I would even spring for the ticket. I am not married and not even considering it.

About 4 years ago I was living with someone else who had a bad habbit of snooping through my things and she found some pictures from Rio. She also knew full well I was going to Rio. She couldn't handle it, so we parted ways. She was an attorney and well you know attorneys tend to be a little strange. (No disrepect to you guys who are lawyers). She had this strange idea that I should forsake all other women for her. Imagine that! LOL

My only suggestion for Orebell is to sale his wife on the idea that he needs to visit Brazil for business on the Mexico trip.

[Trippleecks]

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[Full Throttle]

a couple of observations embedded below...


orebell,

1) get a cell phone with a good international plan that has caller id and text messaging in brazil. i know cingular and t-mobile are supposed to work just like you are in the us when you travel abroad...

in most countries, the cingular/at&t ring sounds dramatically different to the caller when the phone is being used in a foreign country. remember, the bill is permanent. the guys i know who have gone through divorces have everything subpoenaed including phone bills (a very popular one), credit card statements… everything. so, if you eventually get caught for something else, defenses like this will crumble like a house of cards.




3) get vonage! vonage works anywhere you have a high speed internet connection. my business phone is a vonage phone and i am able to make and receive phone calls worldwide. the internet doesn't know that you are in brazil...

not exactly true. vonage knows that you are calling from brazil through your ip address. it's how skype charged a different rates for us calls last year when you were out of the country and how the poker companies prevent you from playing from the us.



4) just call from the hotel using an international calling card...

i have done this and had the hotel phone number show up on the other person's caller id. same goes for using pay phones, although i haven't tried that in brazil.


here is what i don't like when i travel like this:

1) what if you get sick and have to go to a brazilian hospital with a serious condition.

2) what if you get arrested for some reason and need someone to bail you out or access to your money?

3) what if there is some natural disaster or unforseen war stops all planes going in and out of brazil for weeks or months. what now?

4) what if something happens at home you need to get back immediately. it could take you up to 24 hours to get back to the states depending on when you learn of this emergency.

one of my favorite quotes comes from the classic movie, "body heat:"

the bomb salesman speaking to william hurt, who wants to buy an explosive to kill kathleen turner's husband, "for every perfect crime, there are 50 ways to get caught. a genious may identify 25 of them. sir, you ain't no genious."

be careful!!

[SlickdySlick]

Good hearing from you Rio Rio I head out in 3 days! Sorry to hear about your divorice but I hope you kept the stereo gear!

Orebell,
I think the Sao Paulo idea is your best bet and if you are going to do it I think you did the right thing only discuss it with strangers like here and never let any of your friends know. Thats for your sake and theirs.

I will agree you seem determind to go and that takes balls.

Don't drop off the site and keep in touch really I think this group might be your best hope for pulling it off. And i don't mean to laugh but man Rio has turned a many of us out.

[Mr Enternational]

Do not stay at N.S. de COPACABANA 1085!

Let me tell you some bullshit.

When old girl met me in front of Big Nectar last night we stood on the corner for a minute talking. Why did my other Cris, who spent the night the night before, and lives on Miguel Lemos pass by? She tapped me on my shoulder and said Hi, and kept walking. I was busted! Shit. (Then again, for all she knew I was talking to someone who was only asking directions.) She caught me the night before in the internet cafe and asked me why am I here didn't call her. But I was able to explain that away cause the internet cafe is next to her house and I know she always comes there at night. So it was a surprise.

Well anyway. Me and old girl ate at Galetos then we were going back to the crib to drink some juice and I know she was going to want to fuck. So we are walking up the stairs and the porter yells out Elza. (Elza is the reason I came to Rio Saturday. She flew down from Belo Horizonte to spend the day with me and flew back that night.) I look at him like he is crazy. He asked Cris, are you Elza? I said no that is not Elza. So he says she can't go in. So I tell her to wait downstairs I am just going to drop some money off because we had just gone to the ATM. I come back and we are about to go on the street. I told her to wait there. Then I go back and cuss them out (there were three). I told them don't you ever yell out a name when I am with someone. These women are not GDPs and even if they were I do not appreciate you telling my business to all of Brazil. If you want to know you ask them for their name. But you do not blurt out varias names when you do not know shit.

So we go walk on the beach. She says who is Elza. I told her it was Marina's niece and she was with us when she gave me the apartment. So we go back and he still won't let her in. He says I can't have guests after 10pm. Association rules for temporary renters. I tell him to show me a document where that is written, but he can not. So I go upstairs to get my cell phone. While I'm gone he tells her that I already had 2 girls over and that Elza is not Marina's niece. WTF? So I call Marina and tell her that there is a problem and I won't be paying for the apartment. She said that it is strange. I told her you damn right it is. After spending thousands of dollars with you every year for years I can not accept this type of treatment. That is why I'm not paying. So old girl finally took the bus home about 11: 30. She is a lifeguard and has to be up at 6: 30. She lives an hour away. This is a place that Marina had to get from her friend for me at the last minute because I came from Sao Paulo on an hour's notice. But they are going to be minus a couple hundred reais when I leave today. I might give them 20 reais for the power bill but that is it.

This story kind of reminds me of when people were ragging on David for unforeseen things that might have happened in his places. Something can always go wrong. I have been in hotels where the A/see was out or light bulbs were blown, but it has to be taken into consideration the person's willingness to remedy the situation. In my case I was only going to be in Rio less than another 24 hours and it was already 10 at night, so I had to make my own remedy. Which in this case is not paying. I always pay at the end of my stay. Damn a deposit or paying in full beforehand. Then I would have no other recourse besides not using the person again.

[Bravo]

Damn MR E, that is a fucked up story. I know what you are talking about, those fucking poteiros can be some hate filled, cock blocking, assholes. I cant tell you how times one of them have screwed me up, by telling the girls my business. If I am in my apartment with a girl and another one shows up (unannounced and univited) I dont answer the phone.

Ive had poteiros tell them "Oh he is up there, he just isnt answering the phone because he has another girl with him!" Next thing I know, the girl is banging away at my apt door and ringing the doorbell!!! Ive cussed out a few doormen because of this. "DO NOT LET ANYONE UPSTAIRS TO MY APARTMENT, WITHOUT MY PERMISSION!!!"

[Rio Rio]

Good hearing from you Rio Rio I head out in 3 days! Sorry to hear about your divorice but I hope you kept the stereo gear!

Orebell,

I think the Sao Paulo idea is your best bet and if you are going to do it I think you did the right thing only discuss it with strangers like here and never let any of your friends know. Thats for your sake and theirs.

I will agree you seem determind to go and that takes balls.

Don't drop off the site and keep in touch really I think this group might be your best hope for pulling it off. And i don't mean to laugh but man Rio has turned a many of us out. Yeah I kept my stereo gear, also I kept my house as well. This is funny though. I remember when my x would call and I would have to run to the corner and shit to be alone, so she would not hear anybody speaking portuguese, Orbell Man ask yourself is this really worth it, I'm telling you, It is not the same when you get back. Like I said before, you will not look at her the same. My x- wife and I had it out for a few days, she tried to break up my friendship with my best friends slick/see. S and j. Man I'm telling you, when you see those bunda's there is no going back to your wife. They say blame it on Rio for a reason. Good luck.

[Tavares]

Mr. Enternational

Do you speak fluent portuguese? If you do, complain to the guy in charge of the building about those porteiros for minding other peoples' business.

[Mr Enternational]

Yeah I speak fluent portuguese but I am getting out of here now. I am headed to Colombia. That lady won't ever be able to rent that apartment under those conditions. Marina's daughter just went there with me to pick up the key and he harrassed her as well. She went off on him and told him that she is the dona of the casa.


Mr. Enternational

Do you speak fluent portuguese? If you do, complain to the guy in charge of the building about those porteiros for minding other peoples' business.

[RioFavelaboy]

hey guys,

first off i'm new to the forum stuff here and this the first time i've ever subscribed to one but after this years carnival i now have a mixed felling on alot of things happening at help my god fellows got in there a week before carnival had started and everything was like any help night just saw a few things different but not unsual a cpl garottas fighting and things like that but the first night of carnival the girls from prior experience show up to helpee dressed up to the tee you most in great costumes wearing nothing at all, this time not the case man these garottas were all about the money man some charging to take thier pics and others out right asking are$600 and 500 and some idiots actuallt paying it, i know it's carnival but man use common sense thats my first complaint about all the helpee patrons now they are paying way too much these guys have to remember these garottas can get a little extra during carnival but damn they were breaking the bank with some of the eurpeans expecially and the rookies who's first experience at helpee is during carnival my second problem was damn man i had a buddy who's was on his first visit and had a horrible time at helpee, he actually walked out of helpee with a damn tv man and the thing that pissed me off was i didn't see him pic this thing up because he was in the club during his own and the place was wall to wall people but the garottas and the staff new this damn tv was in the place and knew he was a tv and didn't say anything to the poor guy who thatnk good once he got back to the apartment found out before anything jumped off and kicked this thing out and quickly came back to the club to save face out of 5yrs of going into helpee this was first for me and then the ultimate fellas it's garrota down there who's a pro i've seen here there at least for 5 years, here name is flavia and fellas i wouldn't start rumors about any any the garotta but this one is straight running game man she actually hooked up with the same poor sap mentioned with th tv and tried to actually get this guy to go bareback fellas snd get this guys this garotta after this guy refused to bang bareback started talking about a damn fiancee visa can you believe the gall of the garotta she then procedded to hook up with another poor sap the very next day and pulled the same crap turns out that this is a growing tren down here there now with not just her but several garottas are now allowing these poor saps who will do it actually go bareback fellas you have to stay strapped down there these chicks are going to start spreading some shit because they are doing it on the norm before a garotta in helpee would never go try this stuff bareback atleast the ones i'd picked and over 5yrs i've hit over 150 garottas includin termas stuff and duplas be careful of this garotta though she's the flavia out of several that looks like maybe she's asian mixed with great skills in the sack most of you guys have to know by now well anyway the quality in help is going down and yes now i think too many people in the states have found out about it now because of the grande bocas (big mouths) coming telling everyone under the sun about their conquest bottom line fellas i'm starting to swear off helpee and be a main stay at the termas and some light mp balcony stuff my advise everything cost too damn much during carnival now and is the case for my past carnival too don't go during this time except for experience of it all.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Abzsafado]

Orebell,

I agree with SlickdySlick. There is no way you can get away with it. I suggest bringing your wife to Rio with you, then slipping out periodically to go to a termas. There are many ways this can be done, e.g., while she is having a massage or beauty treatment at the hotel, or by telling her you want to go out to buy her a present as a surprise. Just use your imagination, and make sure you don't come home with any pussy or latex smell on you. You may also have to explain why you can't get it up if she wants to screw right after you get back from servicing a GDP ("this tropical climate is soooo debilitating, babe!"). Have fun.

LorenzoWhat I have done in the past with my brasilian long term gdp and my wife is tell her I am going to the gym, slip off at 4pm come back at 6. I have to take a shower after my workout so I have wet hair. I have had a workout but not the kind she thinks I have had. With the brasilian it's even easier, they always have to go to the salon or meet their aunty, really they are fucking someone else, but who cares, they never pull you up. They are to busy trying to hide their shit to worry about what you have been up to. If you can't get it up when you return thats your fault, buy viagra, doh!

[El Austriaco]

Congratulations, Narcmancpd. You managed to distill the flavor of Rio during Carnaval in a single sentence. Well, literally. And you did it with minimal breathing (a.k.a. "punctuation" in writing), thereby coincidentally (or intentionally) parodizing Jackson's hangups about standard spelling and stuff. Just kidding, Jackson :)

But what I can gather from this, probably the longest outpour of stream-of-conscience since James Joyce, confirms pretty much my impressions of Help (or Copacabana, for that matter) during Carnaval:

1) Help is always somewhat overpriced, and ridiculously so during Carnaval. Combine that with double+ pricing for everything else (hotel, food, plane tickets), and I really don't think that Carnaval is a good time to go to Rio for P4P, period.

2) If you go, get there, see the Carnaval parade, and get out of there. Brazil is intense as it is, street carnaval raises the bar another notch as among the throngs of people, things slowly become unglued. You stay for weeks, it will really just wear you down on every level: physically, mentally, emotionally.

3) Stay away from the obvious tourist places. There are so many newbie mongers in Copacabana during that time that obviously have no idea how much money they are spending. If you don't want to negotiate, go to the termas, take a look, and take it or leave it. No negotiating involved at all.

4) If you are really just superhorny and ready to pretty much pay any price, go to Rio, buy some Cialis, hit the cheap downtown termas, and fuck as many girls as you and your member endure. I mean, until it is really coming out of your ears, until you are so fucked out that you can't even think about sex anymore. Then go to Copacabana, sit at Terraco Atlantico or Meia Pataca, have a choppe, and wait for the girls to make their ridiculous offers. You will never look at them with the same eyes afterwards.

5) If the Copa chicks still look appealing after that exercise, go back to Centro as many times as necessary until they do not look so good any more. That's the only sure-fire cure I know against "Help ass fever" (Latin: pyrexias bunda Helpensis). Don't worry, there is no shortage of girls and performance enhancers in Rio, the treatment is cheap and not painful, and when treated at an early stage (i.e. the "pre-sucker stage"), your condition leaves no permanent damage.

P.S.: I once did No 4 in 2004 (I guess I did six girls in a 4 hour span or so). I think it was one of the few moments in life when I essentially felt entirely free, entirely unpreoccupied with the constant allure of pussy. Since then, I can enjoy Help much more, because just flashing sex, these chicks simply no longer have any control or manipulative power over me. Or any other woman, for that matter :)

EA

P.P.S.: Nice touch to call them "garottas", because which is exactly what they are: just like the garotte so beloved by the Spanish inquisition, these Help girls would strangle any bushy-tailed tourist to squeeze as much money out of them as they can. Of course, we mortals call them "GDPs" (garotas de programa) or simply "garotas".

[Bubba Boy]

Man I have a headache after that 1 paragraph, one sentence report. Report of distinction? WTF?

[RioFavelaboy]

Guys,

This is my first time on a forum like this so I was following the rules posted but from now on I will post with punctuation ans paragraph and thanks for the koodos guys. Peace garotta banging brothers!

[Java Man]

They were never "easy" to get, well maybe a LLOONNGG time ago, pre 9/11 for sure. A post on another board, stated the fiancee visas are on hold. A recent law change added another hoop to jump through: criminal background checks. Those visas are on hold until they figure out how to actually implement this. It's all about fighting terrorism, don'tcha know?

Maybe they've figured it out. I just looked at a Fiancee Visa site: I found this new requirement: Police certificate from all places where they have lived since age 16.

[El Austriaco]

I just looked at a Fiancee Visa site: I found this new requirement: Police certificate from all places where they have lived since age 16.
... for anyone dumb enough to even consider bringing a Copacabana hooker back to wherever they live on a fiancee visa. It might be a blessing because mandatory background checks since the age of 16 might really open up some mongers eyes as to what these girls have actually been involved in since a very early age :). So your government might actually be helping you out for a change. Quite inadvertently, though.

In the case of my ex, I never ran one on her (but I wasn't thinking about a visa for her, anyway). But considering how many uncles of her were in jail at any given point in time for drug trading and assault, I actually wouldn't mind finding out about her now. Just out of curiosity :)

EA

[Bubba Boy]

For anyone even considering taking a Brazilian girl back home, I suggest you do the following. When you are not in town, get a Private Investigator to follow her for 2 weeks. I will guarantee you she is doing something which she shouldn't. The cost for this service would be minimal and may save you a fortune down the track.

I base this on the following. I have banged GDP's that have actually taken calls with their "out of town guy" while I was lying in bed with them. They are such good actresses it is an eye opener. One time a GDP started yelling at her guy on the phone because she thought he had banged another girl, this is while she is butt naked with me just after I have banged her. If I wasn't lying butt naked next to her I would have believed her. Every girl that I know that has an "out of town guy" has/is banging a local dude or another gringo. That is even so called non working girls. It is a 100% hit rate. Don't ever think that "she is different".

One further thing, the local dude she wil bang will usually be a real peice of work, usually the lowest of the low, just to add insult to injury.