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The dilema.Most of us are fed up with women in the states and have longsince began pursuing other 'options".I think most of us will admit to being over excited during our first few trip destinations and thinking "this is great! Maybe I should marry one of these (Filipinas,Brasileras,Dominicanas,etc) or at minimum make her my "girlfriend".After an eye opening experience or 2 (it takes some of us longer than others) we learn that it's all a dream. They are all the same,(generally speaking of course) they just look and sound different.
I met a guy in Rio a few years back.He and his girl were really close. She was gorgeous and very loyal. At least that was what I thought until I met her at a far off club where only locals go and she was tipsy and trying to get me to fuck her.My inner city sense kicked in and I thought to myself "maybe he's pimping her." I opted not to because I could recall the high regard in which he held her and the tone of disdain he reserved for the other girls. I saw him shortly thereafter in the mall buying her anything she wanted beause she was such a good girl.She smled in my face as well as his as everything was being purchased.As badly as I wanted to say something, I didnt.The way I figure, He completes her fantasy and she completes his. So ultimately their what we all at one time wanted to be with some woman. Happy.
Gentlemen. Please dont get your hooks into bringing her back here. When she doesnt want to work or cant work and starts prowling through your belongings while your at work (and she will, trust me), then gets upset because there is no one of her ethnicity in your town and she doesnt have any friends , blah blah blah.I'd sooner move to the country she is located in and go from there. DONT BRING EM TO THE STATES.And dont bareback! Remember. YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A POTENTIAL INVESTMENT.The moment you begin to think otherwise you are fooling yourself.Yeah yeah I know. You thouht she was overcome by your poor mastery of her language and your complete lack of charm. If you make the deposit,its them who will see the return. That is universal FOR ALL WOMEN.
Have to agree with everything you said. Maybe you could have told him, but maybe you were right not to, that is always difficult.
The only relationships I have seen work in Rio is where both parties agree they are going to discretely bang other partners. The lying, not the banging other people, is what breaks people up. It is not all that hard to get her to agree to this either, she will Bit*h and moan at first, but if ones stands firm the golden rule wins out. IE, He who has the gold makes the rules.
Curry,
I tend to agree with you about being a dream to have a LatinAmerican wife/ girlfriend on a stable basis. There is one exception: if they have a child with you. If you behave well and don´t mess around with other women, you can expect them to dedicate themselves to the father of their child...
I went in Help on Friday and Monday nights during carnival, just to watch the scene.. Friday was the costume day, lots of gals in costumes, a lot of guys in there too, probably about 50/50. Monday was another story, there were probably 3 to 5 guys for each girl. I had heard the other nights the same from others. It was not even good to go in and watch.
So with supply and demand as it is, no wonder they ask 500 or 600, hell I would if I were them.
The action seemed to be outside of Help since the entrance was 50 on friday and saturday and 40 the rest of the time.. they guys could pay but I guess the gals would not.
This was my first and last carnival in Rio, even though I live here. Just too many guys, mongers.. I am planing on going somwhere late July too when the PanAm games get to town, I would guess this will be carnival on steriods since mostly guys will be hittting town for a few weeks..
Help seems to be back to 'normal' now, more gals than guys and prices are lower..
Mr Enternational
03-15-07, 15:46
You better damn believe it. The other day I was sitting at Meia Pataca sipping a caipirinha. This chick who I have known for a couple of years comes up and sits with me. Her phone starts ringing and she says it is her fiance who lives in Atlanta. She showed me 7 missed calls from him. She said they are getting married next month. She already has 2 kids in Rio, and what is she going to do in Atlanta without speaking English or having an education, besides being his official couch warmer. Is he out of his fucking mind? I mean if you are going to look for someone to marry at least go down to the university campus.
For anyone even considering taking a Brazilian girl back home, I suggest you do the following. When you are not in town, get a Private Investigator to follow her for 2 weeks. I will guarantee you she is doing something which she shouldn't. The cost for this service would be minimal and may save you a fortune down the track.
I base this on the following. I have banged GDP's that have actually taken calls with their "out of town guy" while I was lying in bed with them. Don't ever think that "she is different".
... for anyone dumb enough to even consider bringing a Copacabana hooker back to wherever they live on a fiancee visa. It might be a blessing because mandatory background checks since the age of 16 might really open up some mongers eyes as to what these girls have actually been involved in since a very early age :). So your government might actually be helping you out for a change. Quite inadvertently, though.
EA
El Austriaco,
You have misunderstood Chingon's post. The background check and residential history is for the man petitioning the fiancee visa, not his fiancee. It is part of a new law past a year ago called IMBRA. American feminists are upset at so many US men going abroad for wives, so they successfully lobbied for a law that puts high hurdles for a man who wants an alternative to AWs.
K1 aka Fiancee Visa
George90:
I believe Now, both man and woman have to submit criminal backgrounds documentation. They're looking to see if the man has been involved in any domestic violence. That's the new law you mentioned, that the US feminist had passed.
The fiancee visa sites I looked at do not show this requirement for the US citizen making the application. But do require a "Police certificate from all places where they have lived since age 16" for the non US citizen.
RioFavelaboy
03-15-07, 17:49
You better damn believe it. The other day I was sitting at Meia Pataca sipping a caipirinha. This chick who I have known for a couple of years comes up and sits with me. Her phone starts ringing and she says it is her fiance who lives in Atlanta. She showed me 7 missed calls from him. She said they are getting married next month. She already has 2 kids in Rio, and what is she going to do in Atlanta without speaking English or having an education, besides being his official couch warmer. Is he out of his fucking mind? I mean if you are going to look for someone to marry at least go down to the university campus.Ok guys you are right in a way that the majority of these chicks in Copacabana are what they are, but I have to say that where I live I know of 5 such guys who have done the make a Copagirl a wife thing! Damn man I couldn't see it at first but now that I know 2 of these guys personally.
Both of these guys man are as happy as hell, one of them his girl is in school and furthering her education, whenever I go by the house man it's spick and span, hell this girl is as true as they come, I even asked him how and why he did it, he just said man her past is her past and that she wsn't proud of her life and that she did what she had to to take care of her family, and that she will always love this guy for loving her. Hell his first educated demanding pshyco wife would never treat this guy like this girl does. Fellas I'm happy for the guy.
The other guys situation is just as good but his girl had more education and spoke pretty good english and is already working a real good job and treating this guy like a king, I talked to this lady man and she told me point blank that the majority of these girls from Copa will only use a guy and are on striaght game but she said some of us are not what we seem to be she even further stated that the majority of Brazilian brides even if not from copa come from some other city and that the probability that these ladies worked in the industry was atleast 75-80%.
Bottom line, this takes a strong man but to each his own who are we to judge, as one of you guys stated in your quote if these guys are happy so let it be, and if these girls they bring over are on game and can't see that they basically just hit the life lottery! It'll all come back on them, and my guy says that the whole K1 visa process took a total of 4 1/2 months and that know holds on on these visas at the present time.
The dilema.Most of us are fed up with women in the states and have longsince began pursuing other 'options".I think most of us will admit to being over excited during our first few trip destinations and thinking "this is great! Maybe I should marry one of these (Filipinas,Brasileras,Dominicanas,etc) or at minimum make her my "girlfriend".After an eye opening experience or 2 (it takes some of us longer than others) we learn that it's all a dream. They are all the same,(generally speaking of course) they just look and sound different. Hi Curry and all,
Just read this post. I'm from Europe, so I can't comment too much on the situation with women in the united states. At least not with the same level of experience that you have. Yet I still wanna respond to what you say. In Europe women are fairly liberal and generally don't object too much too looking, a hug or touch. Sex still ain't too much of a problem there. Clinton's Lewinsky stuff would only have made headlines here for may be a few days, if say he would have been 'president' of Germany, France or Italy. In Europe in many countries 'working girls' are legal. We have some pretty nice places there, like FKK saunas in Germany. These come close to the Termas, except are usually cleaner but contain less latinas. However pricing is more or less the same. Sometimes even better.
Regarding the USA I do see a problem with american women. I sometimes have the feeling that just looking at them can already be considered 'sexual harrasment' and could get a guy in trouble. (or in jail these days?) The situation there seems to be pretty fucked up regarding sexual freedom and pleasure. What ever happened to the sixties?
Anyway, since the topic here is Brazil and Rio, I do say there is a stark contrast between Brazil, and the USA, or even the EU.
Been there (Rio) 3 times now and am trying to get a better grasp on how things work there. Of course there are the usual conflicts between women wanting 'security or stability' from a man and men wanting 'freedom' (such as in to fuck around) and 'love' from the woman.
The 'security' that the woman seeks certainly includes money. Of course. Woman are very practical creatures. More practical than us men I sometimes think. That is true for Brazil and any other place in the world. However I'm not yet cynical about all of this. This 'game' has it's own logic. It evolved over thousands of years. (remember that they can get pregnant when they have sex, we don't)
The upside of Brazil and Rio, from my point of view: I think the attraction comes from the fact that (at least for me) being with a Brazilian woman feels more natural in a way. There are less inhibitions, there is more passion, more pleasure. They have no sense that there is something 'wrong' with the body, as has been preached by religious fanatics for 1000's of years. Somehow there is something more 'pure' about this kind of enjoyment. It is more direct, honest and actually a more simple way to enjoy sex or life. (hmm, perhaps I am beginning to sound a litlte philosophical) In that light, for me personally the difference between a GDP and 'regular' brazilian woman ain't that great, to me they both have that quality.
I think somehow a lot of that quality got lost in the USA and perhaps also in most of the EU. So, yes to many men it is like a dream, to discover what Rio has to offer in that aspect. Trying to bring that quality or that dream back with you to the USA or the EU however is another thing. Bound to fail I guess. I prefer to travel into and out of that 'dream' when I can. Trying to hold onto anything, particularly dreams, is a dangerous matter. For me the greater art is to fully enjoy the moment and then letting it go. For me, being with a brazilian lady, GDP, Garota, whatever we call them, is about that. Their laughs, their smiles, their round forms, asses, their smell, their words and sounds, their hair, their cool skin. Can't help loving that.
Perhaps I should consider becoming a poet.
Dutch44
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Have to agree with everything you said. Maybe you could have told him, but maybe you were right not to, that is always difficult.
The only relationships I have seen work in Rio is where both parties agree they are going to discretely bang other partners. The lying, not the banging other people, is what breaks people up. It is not all that hard to get her to agree to this either, she will Bit*h and moan at first, but if ones stands firm the golden rule wins out. IE, He who has the gold makes the rules.I have done this and it works out quite well. I am married, my girl in Rio is marrying a foreigner. I play around she plays around we are both happy.
Fell out with my ex because we both lied to each other. She would deny fucking other people but it was obvious that she was. What irritated me was that she would go mental about me even looking at another girl, it was the hypocrisy that finally made me crack.
Ok guys you are right in a way that the majority of these chicks in Copacabana are what they are, but I have to say that where I live I know of 5 such guys who have done the make a Copagirl a wife thing! Damn man I couldn't see it at first but now that I know 2 of these guys personally.
A GDP can change her life and can be loyal and not contune working. I have known a few. Some of them are smart enough to realize they can, and have to, get out of the life. They will not mess up a good thing and realize it when they have it (a gringo boyfriend or husband).
If you find one that enrolls in college to get a degree and fills her time with that rather than continuing to go out with her GDP girlfriends, then you have a pretty good shot at knowing she will be loyal. They must change their environment and lifestyle.
However, if their financial stream and security is cut off, they will quickly return to the life, that is what they know.
Bad Idea: as Curry mentioned, taking a hooker home as a wife is a disaster waiting to happen. You are a potential investment--plain and simple. We've all nailed chicks in Brazil or DR who have some 'novio' or 'namorado' at home sending this chica cash so she can basically supplement her current hooker income.
Good Idea: I would find a regular Brazilian girl...a worker...and bring her home (if I didnt already have a girlfriend here). When I say regular, I mean the language professores, the waitresses and hostesses, the municipal workers, the chicks in cafes, camareras and hotelerias, whatever. THEY are the potential gold mines. They are chicks with either some education, or no education, but enough integrity to actually bust their a$$ for $100-200/mo. in a legitimate job. Many I've met do NOT have kids (and great love canals), and many are actually appreciative of a chance to actually do something with their education and potential (in America or Europe).
Example: my last language professor was a 29yrs old hottie with bachelors + masters...and solid teaching job at a language school + a public school in Maceio. She is still 'struggling' and the employment opportunities are still nothing like she could pursue in the West. She was HOT, but no kids, single, didnt drink, loved to dance, and was a true 'mulher.' She would be a primo piece of a$$ on a NYC scale, but in Brazil, was just another hot babe. That is the type of gold mine I am talking about.
Another example...I met these two chicas completing their law degrees in Salvador at the Federal University that were HOT HOT HOT--one was a rich snob and one was a lucky favelinha. I have a lot of education here, but I never had class with babes like this! Wholly sh*t! Also in Salvador, I spent 3 days with a caramel 36yr old nurse with no kids and a p*ssy tighter than most 22yr olds I met...didnt pay a dime and had to seriously convince myself to just return to NYC and dont look back because she was definitely "wifeable!"
Lastly, we have all seen the chicks in Rio at the Ipanema shops or Copa supermarkets or Centro bustops that we'd love to take home and totally ravage...nothing like a cute working girl looking to get the edge taken off a hard day (or hard life)!
I guess my point is, regular babes in Brazil make great potential wives. Hookers in Brazil make great potential hookers in America!
I guess my point is, regular babes in Brazil make great potential wives. Hookers in Brazil make great potential hookers in America!
Great Post!!!
How do you think we should meet these regular babes that make great wife material? Introduction agencies? Through friends? Or just plain dumb luck?
Great Post!!!
How do you think we should meet these regular babes that make great wife material? Introduction agencies? Through friends? Or just plain dumb luck?
I used yahoo encontros just 5 days before departing for my last trip and met about 4 girls. It would have been a boon if 1) I started earlier, 2) stayed in Brazil for longer, and 3) had an upgraded account that let me exchange messages more easily on yahoo (I didnt want to pay). For a podunk city like Maceio...there were hundreds of babes aged 18 - 40 that came up on the search...Rio, Salvador, and SP has multiples more.
Another method is I always enroll in a language program for a few days or find a language instructor in the paper...either they are potential or have friends who are!
If you speak the language (even moderately), I would simply start talking to girls and tell them I you are new to town and want some company to see sights and go out...see what the city has to offer. Many girls would not pass up a day out, dinner, and maybe a night out at a bar/show...lots of them are homebodies since many places cost to enter and their money doesnt go that far ($10 to us is a joke...to them, it can be a significant nut).
Literally, I would probe a cute hotel receptionist, waitress, bartender, hostess, or cashier, store worker, laundry lady, or anyone...LITERALLY! If you have more than a week in a place, cast a wide net, you may have to invest in a date or two, but the returns are profound. There is not rush with regular babes because you have P4P to tide you over while you invest.
Pipe Layer99
03-16-07, 20:19
Gents,
I just got an email from Solarium. I've never been to this one, so if anyone goes please post about it.
For those of you who will be in Rio at the end of March -
Solarium has a special on 27 Mar. R60 savings on the room.
You'll need the email flyer to show at the reception desk.
To get it, got to -- www.solarium.com.br
Donnie
Eric Cartman
03-17-07, 04:22
Gents,
I just got an email from Solarium. I've never been to this one, so if anyone goes please post about it.
For those of you who will be in Rio at the end of March -
Solarium has a special on 27 Mar. R60 savings on the room.
You'll need the email flyer to show at the reception desk.
To get it, got to -- www.solarium.com.br
DonnieI was there back in 2005 with BubbaBoy. It's a cab ride from Ipanema/Copa, sort of the other side of the Lagoa. We made the mistake of going at Rush Hour (5pm-ish) and it took FOREVER to get there. That said, it looked like a good section of the lagoa area (jardin botanico? ) with some nice bistro-style restaurants and bars near it. The place itself was pretty good, decent selection of girls. Little smaller and cramped than Monte, but nice. It's worth seeing, esp if you can get there easily before or after rush hour. I wanted to go back and hang out at one of the restaurants near by for a drink or two before heading in.
Don't know how it's been recently, tho.
C
Hey, I was just dicking around on the internet and checked out the L'uomo website http://www.luomo.com.br/ . Umm, what the hell happened? They completely re-did the website, added some sort of wierd, Euro-trash dance music, as well as an online store. Have changes been made to the actual termas as well (oh, excuse me, I mean "Club") in terms of logo/name changes, or is this exclusively a web-site change? Also, anyone know how much some of the merchandise in their "store" goes for? I mean the shirts and robes, of course, not the garotas! I would be interested in a t-shirt with their new logo. I checked ebay, but couldn't find one.
Thanks for any info.
Mr Enternational
03-17-07, 23:24
The thing is that old habits die hard. Many guys are used to running down to Copa or to the termas seeing beautiful women, fucking them, and paying them. Most are too lazy to learn Portuguese. If they did learn, then they would see that things are even better with the "worker" females that you mentioned Monger. Y'all know that I will be the first to hit a downtown casa on any day, but my days of spending hundreds of reais on gdps have long since passed.
One of my first Brazilian girlfriends worked at Lojas Americanas making next to nothing and lived in City of God. She treated me like a king. Anytime I was hungry or thirsty in the middle of the night she would go to the kitchen. She would give me her last. She would try to send me money (try that one with a Copa pro). When I graduated with my master's she gave me a big party at her best friend's uncle's house in Rocinha.
I have many stories that are the same way. One girl who I am talking to now is a lifeguard and makes 326 reais/month. She is really cool and down to earth. And with the worker females you don't have to worry about much of the jealousy you will get from a gdp. They are more secure. The only thing with me is that being a rolling stone runs in my family. For me it is like Lay's. You can't have just one.
Bad Idea: as Curry mentioned, taking a hooker home as a wife is a disaster waiting to happen.
Good Idea: I would find a regular Brazilian girl...a worker...and bring her home (if I didnt already have a girlfriend here). When I say regular, I mean the language professores, the waitresses and hostesses, the municipal workers, the chicks in cafes, camareras and hotelerias, whatever. THEY are the potential gold mines. They are chicks with either some education, or no education, but enough integrity to actually bust their a$$ for $100-200/mo. in a legitimate job. nothing like she could pursue in the West. She was HOT, but no kids, single, didnt drink, loved to dance, and was a true 'mulher.' She would be a primo piece of a$$ on a NYC scale, but in Brazil, was just another hot babe. That is the type of gold mine I am talking about.
Wild Cherokee
03-18-07, 13:45
For me it is like Lay's. You can't have just one.
Mr. E,
I can empathize with you on that one!
WC
One of my first Brazilian girlfriends worked at Lojas Americanas making next to nothing and lived in City of God. She treated me like a king.
Nothing beats Bom Preco or Lojas Americanas bunda!!! And those cell phone store babes...its lights out! Nothing better than buying a new SIM chip + some minutes, and then storing those garotas numbers in that celly before even walking out of the store!
Here's a trick that worked in Maceio recently...TIM store in Shopping Iguatemi. Get the girl to test your phone in store by calling her cell number...store the number, and then call her later. Worst case, she's married. Best case, she's not and free to meet up for a drink and/or a night of Forro (and hopefully more!). Fine, its quasi-stalking, but who cares...you're likely 5000 miles from home, so who cares!!!
Mr Enternational
03-20-07, 05:20
Done that! She had a fiance though. But she was real cool. She still works there and I don't think she's married yet.
Nothing beats Bom Preco or Lojas Americanas bunda!!! And those cell phone store babes...its lights out! Nothing better than buying a new SIM chip + some minutes, and then storing those garotas numbers in that celly before even walking out of the store!
Here's a trick that worked in Maceio recently...TIM store in Shopping Iguatemi. Get the girl to test your phone in store by calling her cell number...store the number, and then call her later. Worst case, she's married. Best case, she's not and free to meet up for a drink and/or a night of Forro (and hopefully more!). Fine, its quasi-stalking, but who cares...you're likely 5000 miles from home, so who cares!!!
I heard the sad news that one of the regulars in Rio passed away 2 days ago in Copa. He posted under the name of "sweet" on CH, another board. Some of you on this board would have seen him in Rio. Basically I believe he passed away in an apartment after a heavy night out, previous health problems, including diabetes, contributed to his untimely death. I did not know him all that well, met him a few times, always seemed like a nice guy. I post this info for others that may have known him. RIP.
I think I met the guy in Patttaya last year. Whata way to go, huh? I hope he went out with a smile on his face and did not suffer.
Rest In Peace, indeed.
The gentleman who passed away was Doug. He graduated from the Univ of Michigan and had a restaurant in Houston. He was known to many of us and spent about 4 months a year in Rio. He was agreat guy and helpful to many of us as we learned more about Rio.
Yes I believe sweet's full posting name was "Sweet Mesquite", although I am unfamilar with the exact spelling as I don't frequent CH. Most of the expat guys that live in Rio are quite upset about his passing.
Trippleecks
03-23-07, 12:23
I heard that Doug got married to a girl in Rio to obtain his Perm. Visa and now she owns everything. His restaurant in Texas, his new apartment in Copacabana, everything..
Guys if you marry to get your Perm Visa, check off the box on the application that states everything you own before and after the marriage is yours, not hers... she can do the same..
Nodd
I don't believe you have your facts straight. Being the great guy that he was, he left his restaurant to his employees.
I heard that Doug got married to a girl in Rio to obtain his Perm. Visa and now she owns everything. His restaurant in Texas, his new apartment in Copacabana, everything..
Guys if you marry to get your Perm Visa, check off the box on the application that states everything you own before and after the marriage is yours, not hers... she can do the same..
Not quite, she is only entitled to his possesions in Rio, not the USA.
I heard that Doug got married to a girl in Rio to obtain his Perm. Visa and now she owns everything. His restaurant in Texas, his new apartment in Copacabana, everything.
Guys if you marry to get your Perm Visa, check off the box on the application that states everything you own before and after the marriage is yours, not hers... she can do the same..I will disagree with this because i got married with a brazilian in Brazil last January of this year. Whatever property you have coming into the marriage is yours and whatever you accumulated during the marriage is devided between you two automatically, unless you sign a prenuptial. If that is the case as mentioned above. God, imagine what will all these football players in Brazil would do. Majority of them have 3-4 wives in their lifetime.
Full Throttle
03-23-07, 17:16
Doug, by the way, was only around 40-45 (a tiny bit older than I), although I have rarely seen him out of terma robe attire. He was friendly to visiting mongers, the girls and, importantly, to staff and other local workers. He participated in a little ex-pat business showing visitors around.
I have no idea the nature of the illness that caused his demise. I know he wished he could fit into robes several sizes smaller and he claimed to have been a heavy drinker from time to time (though that was not my observation). One night I saw him, he literally carried a drunken "doctor" expat from the shower room to the locker room. I bring this information to the front only for selfish reasons. I have gained 32 pounds since becoming a full-time hobbiest in September of '05. F'ing shocking and embarassing. That's over. Despite this indulgence, I'm lucky to be in good health (according to my doctor, yesterday, anyway). My goal is to be the last monger living from this board, though I'll miss the company.
Doug may have gone out with some style, but it's still profoundly tragic. May he rest in peace and his ex-wife go bankrupt.
FT
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I don't think anyone rarely saw Doug out of a Terma robe, this is meant as a compliment in the highest of esteem. ;-)
I believe Doug did drink to excess more than he should of. He was one of the first to admit this, hence I truly hope no one takes offence at me saying this. One needs to learn from this, you just can't do that stuff anymore when you are past 40, carrying more pounds than you should or have in Dougs case diabetes. One needs to learn from this if one wants to live a long enjoyable life.
Honestly don't known if I met him, but I read quite a bit about him on CH. I had no idea we were around the same age. May he rest in peace. He had a great time in Rio.
RonnyRon
Mr Enternational
03-24-07, 07:29
Speaking of terma robe. I am wearing one of mine right now!
Wandering Fool
03-24-07, 12:20
My best friend's brother married a Colombian a little over a year ago. They had a kid and shortly after that she left him, gone. It lasted 1 year. She got her green card and got the hell away.
Curry,
I tend to agree with you about being a dream to have a LatinAmerican wife/ girlfriend on a stable basis. There is one exception: if they have a child with you. If you behave well and don´t mess around with other women, you can expect them to dedicate themselves to the father of their child...
The Watcher
03-24-07, 17:08
I don't think anyone rarely saw Doug out of a Terma robe, this is meant as a compliment in the highest of esteem. ;-)
I did not know Sweet Mesquite; however, any who lives in a Terma robe is my type of guy. I wish I could have known him because I am sure we would have gotten along very well.
May he rest in peace.
A couple of years ago, I met a courteous, friendly, American in the locker room at L'uomo. He seemed to be very much at home there and very much liked. I am normally a quiet person, but he engaged me in a few minutes of conversation. As I recall he had a special robe, one that was embroidered with his name (but I don't recall the name). Might this have been Doug?
Member #4156
03-24-07, 17:34
Can someone on here explain what he looked like. I think I may have ran into this individual on my first terma visit.
The guy your saw was Donald, he has a monogrammed robe.
Doug, had brown straight hair, a moustache, a generous beer belly on an otherwise quite slim frame, not an easy guy to describe as he was kind of normal. Average height. A decent guy, virtually lived at 4x4.
Wandering Fool
03-24-07, 23:36
Alright first of all, I'm heading down to Brazil for two weeks TOMORROW, so if you guys want some live on the ground reports from Rio you better come up with an answer to this question (only kidding, I'll contribute either way since I've learned so much here in the past).
I've done 4 trips to Rio, done the termas, the agencies etc. What I'm wondering is, does anyone know of some super exclusive, perhaps word of mouth agency that taps into the super high end girls that wouldn't be caught dead at a termas or conventional agency? You know, the models, TV actresses etc. who might do this only once in a while?
You can pm me if you want.
One other question. Has anyone tried the Latineuro.com agency to meet supposedly non-pros (although there are certainly some pros fishing for suckers). Any stories or experiences with this would be great.
Thanks
Following the advice of the esteemed Bubba Boy in a recent post, I want to do a check on a garota who promises me up and down that she is now respectacle. Any advice? Anyone know a PI in Rio? PMs are also appreciated.
I want to do a check on a garota who promises me up and down that she is now respectacle.It shouldn't be that hard to check whether she has a new pair of glasses.
Any advice? Anyone know a PI in Rio?No, but I recall reading on another board about a monger who hired a Brazilian PI to check on his girl. The PI ended up sleeping with her as well as her Brazilian lover as "payment" for reporting back to her American boyfriend that she was behaving herself and staying faithful. Better off IMO just getting one of your buddies to check her usual haunts. Basically a waste of money and you may as well spend it visiting your local zoo to see their leopard without any spots.
Blancoflaco
03-26-07, 05:13
I recently ventured to Rio for the second time. Here are my observations. I flew from Miami in to Sao Paolo on March 8, the same day president Bush arrived and unfortunately I was delayed. I couldnt wait to get to Rio! After the delay a quick 45 minute plane ride later and I was in the promise land around midnight.
I love everything about this city not just the Garotas. I settled in to my apt where my long time friend, lets call him Heavy, had already arrived from NJ. He already stocked the frige full of Skol and we drank a few while we caught up. We then headed to Atlantic terrce next to HELP, continued to drink and picked up two cute, young Garotas, Nubia and Estefania. We negotiated R 150 for the whole night(I hope that wasnt too much, It seemed the going rate). Great first night! When I woke up Heavy was gone and was not answering his cell phone (we both rented phones which is essential). He had left R150 in the safe for me like I had asked since I didnt get time to change money. Heavy and Estefania really hit it off I come to find out later and wind up at her house.
To be continued
Termas Time
03-26-07, 07:29
Hi everyone,
I vacationed in Rio about 2 weeks ago and hit a bunch of the more popular termas. My thoughts and rankings are below. I also broke them down to three different categories for a fairer comparison.
Copa/Jardim Botanico Termas
1. Solarium - Girl for girl best talent of the termas that I hit. I went twice and went upstairs with two drastically different looking girls (one tall thick mulatta with a nice ass and chest and a shorter brunette who was quite the freak). Lots of fake blonds here.
2. Monte Carlo - Talent was good, but to me not as good as Solarium. To be fair, I went on a Saturday which I am sure affected the experience. Wanted to go upstairs with a pretty morena who loved to dance until she started drinking like a fish, and made me nervous about the investment. I think she was more interested in getting wasted before going to a rave in Barra then sealing the deal with me. Oh well.
*Notable exceptions to the list: Centaurus and Luomo. My personal feelings are Centaurus is too expensive for my tastes and we ran short on time so Luomo got cut from the to do list due to complaints from members on this forum.
Centro Termas
1. Cancun (T-Th) - I went to Cancun twice. On Tuesday they had a live band which was really nice experience since alot of girls wanted to dance. Very laid back atmosphere with alot of nice facilities. They currently have a few girls who appear to have just got into the business and are between 18-20. I would have gone with them, but I had already picked a favorite (ended up my favorite for the trip). Lots of young cute girls. Choosing the right day is very important. I went again on Friday and the terma was pretty empty. There were still some girls there but they seemed to be in the whiskeria or somewhere other than the main boate. Again, I liked the atmosphere and the quality here.
2. 4x4 - It is what it is, the biggest termas in town. Alot of variety. Girl for girl, I liked Solarium and Cancun better, but 4x4 has plenty of options. My biggest complaint is the over-crowdedness. It is too hard for the girls and customers to circulate. And if you're lucky and find a seat, you won't see the girls on stage because people will stand in front of you. Oh well, I still had a good time here both trips. I only went upstairs once. I saw the last girl that I fucked during my first trip to Rio over 4 years ago. Wanted to take her up for nostalgic reasons but didn't see her the second trip. I can still hear her now saying the only two English words she knew at the time "Fuck me".
3. 65 - Waste of time. I came here against better judgement because years ago they had great talent. But garota turnover has not been kind to this place.
Centro Whiskerias
1. 502 - This place was ok. Cheap with a few options.
2. Aquarius - Too dark (inside the club and the available garotas). I didn't really see anything that I liked here. The majority of the girls were darker black girls with only a couple of fake blonds. Maybe I came at a bad time. My first visit of the trip and I was disappointed.
Those are my thoughts. Just wanted to share. Enjoy.
Termas Time
Mr Enternational
03-26-07, 08:21
Quite easy. Just give me the number and I will call and act like an old client (that met her where ever her old hang out was) who just arrived in Rio and wants her to accompany me. No need to pay a PI.
Following the advice of the esteemed Bubba Boy in a recent post, I want to do a check on a garota who promises me up and down that she is now respectacle. Any advice? Anyone know a PI in Rio? PMs are also appreciated.
Following the advice of the esteemed Bubba Boy in a recent post, I want to do a check on a garota who promises me up and down that she is now respectacle. Any advice? Anyone know a PI in Rio? PMs are also appreciated.
Odia.com or Oglobo.com for Rio newspapers...I've seen the adds in hard print before. I am sure they are online too...
Alright first of all, I'm heading down to Brazil for two weeks TOMORROW, so if you guys want some live on the ground reports from Rio you better come up with an answer to this question (only kidding, I'll contribute either way since I've learned so much here in the past).
I've done 4 trips to Rio, done the termas, the agencies etc. What I'm wondering is, does anyone know of some super exclusive, perhaps word of mouth agency that taps into the super high end girls that wouldn't be caught dead at a termas or conventional agency? You know, the models, TV actresses etc. who might do this only once in a while?
You can pm me if you want.
One other question. Has anyone tried the Latineuro.com agency to meet supposedly non-pros (although there are certainly some pros fishing for suckers). Any stories or experiences with this would be great.
ThanksYes my friend knows one. If you watch this show Faustao every Sunday, that is the quality of this girl. She actually used to or maybe still does dance on that show. But here is the lowdown, this girl is very expensive I think even for the gringo market, but rich brazilians have no qualms of paying her. I think what my friend told me is he paid are$800 for one hr. That is one hr and she does watch the time. My friend actually took her out so often and actually started to fall for her and took her out dinner one time, and during the dinner she actually told him that you only got 30mins left. He was so shocked that after spending tens of thousands on her she will atleast give him a break. But she don't. Why would she? It is a bussiness, this girl actually lives in a cobertura apartment (penthouse) in Ipanema, drives a 2006 audi A4 and I am telling you Jessica Simpson got nothing on her. What I heard is she is actually a lawyer by profession from a rich family from belo horizonte and her family have lots of fazenda all over but this girl is just downright lazy and a real blacksheep in the family.
RioFavelaboy
03-26-07, 17:02
Odia.com or Oglobo.com for Rio newspapers...I've seen the adds in hard print before. I am sure they are online too...Dude easy way to do it with a lot less money, If this Chick was a former GDP, then she used to work by Cell and Email.
Create a Fictitious email account email her and tell her the dates you will be there and get yourself a Virtufon number from rio include it in the email and see if she bites. Dude be creative and think it all out. www.virtufon.com
You can have that number forwarded to any number you want where you live, have it forwarded to a number you don't use so you'll know if she's still doing her thing again map your plan out before you put it to work
These detective Agencies my let her know you are watching, they are Brazilian like she is and will take you for all the cash they can too.
Hope this gives you some ideas.
Blancoflaco
03-26-07, 22:12
I paid Nubia the money that Heavy had left in the safe. He was still not answering his cell. I was a bit worried but I was sure he was alright. Then my phone rings. Its Heavy. He and Estefania hit it off, I could hear them talking all night through the paper-thin walls seperating our bedrooms. I was trying to drown them out with Nubia's moans and the sound of me slapping her fat brown bunda, but I couldn't. They ended up leaving to her house at 6am. I thought that was fucking weird. When do these girls invite you to their house? Especially after one night? Well I retired to the fact that I was riding solo for now. I walk the whole Zona Sul from Copa to Leblon taking in the sights. Stopped on the beach around 3pm in Ipanema for a Skol "bem gelada"(R2. 50), and a quejo na brasa (grilled cheese on a stick with oregano, R3. 00)
Heavy stayed with Estefania all day and I had planned to go to L'uomo that nigt. I hit L'uomo around 830-900. It was OK, not great. I had been here on my previous trip and was absolutley blown away. During my last visit in '05, the quality and attitude were far better than present day. I guess that all depends on the talent that is currently working. In January '05, the group of girls they had were Fat*king Hotties. They were also cool as hell, all of them partying dancing and having a blast. This current group looked bored, and down right depressed at times. Well I wasnt going to let them bring me down, it was time to bring them up. What better way to start a party but Tequila! Shots for anyone who would drink them. So myself and around 3-4 girls, and Peter the bartender, began to put a dent in the Cuervo. The rest of the night went much better. But I didn't bring any girls to a cabin.
I did exchange cell numbers with one of them. I had planned on her coming to my apt after work, but the Tequila had other ideas. I had passed out on the couch, I never heard her 4 missed calls. I called here when I woke up and made planns to meet at the beach. To be continued.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Wandering Fool
03-26-07, 22:29
Yes my friend knows one. If you watch this show Faustao every Sunday, that is the quality of this girl. She actually used to or maybe still does dance on that show. But here is the lowdown, this girl is very expensive I think even for the gringo market, but rich brazilians have no qualms of paying her. I think what my friend told me is he paid are$800 for one hr. That is one hr and she does watch the time. My friend actually took her out so often and actually started to fall for her and took her out dinner one time, and during the dinner she actually told him that you only got 30mins left. He was so shocked that after spending tens of thousands on her she will atleast give him a break. But she don't. Why would she? It is a bussiness, this girl actually lives in a cobertura apartment (penthouse) in Ipanema, drives a 2006 audi A4 and I am telling you Jessica Simpson got nothing on her. What I heard is she is actually a lawyer by profession from a rich family from belo horizonte and her family have lots of fazenda all over but this girl is just downright lazy and a real blacksheep in the family.
Yariv, I'm interested but you're not receiving private messages. Maybe you can go to "edit options" and enable PM's. If it's R$800 I might bite for a one time experience as long as she's definitely beyond the termas girls (who are pretty nice). Either way I'd like to speak to your contact to see if he has inroads to other girls like this as well. Please PM me the info. Thanks.
P.S. I'm going to be in Rio tomorrow (Tuesday) and Wednesday then off to another city so if you're able to send me the info asap I'll try to hook up with her. I'll probably return to Rio for 3 days the following week but not sure. Sorry for the last minute notice. I'll have internet while down there. My flight leaves in 5 hours. YEAH!!!
I would like to take this opportunity to thank the dude from Houston for sending R5000 per month to my current Brasilian "girlfriend". I thought at first he might be a cool dude with just to much cash, but after banging the said girl while she was actually talking to him on the phone, not once but 3 times, I am thinking maybe just a fool.
When are these guys going to learn. If you send cash to a girl and you leave her alone for anymore than 3 weeks at a time, she will be banging other guys. Even if she really, really, likes you, she will still be banging another dude or chic. The very qualities that we love in Brasilians, IE, they love to bang, is what is going to cause problems when you are not there. They just love to bang!
How much do I pay her for a bang? Answer: Nothing. She even stocked my fridge with Red Bull and Softdrink on his debit card. The bill was R62.35, theres a good clue for the guy if he is reading, I still have the receipt in the bottom of the bag.
Btw, I still do not know WTF a Brazilian girlfriend actually is. A Brasilian "fu*k buddy" is probably more appropriate than "nonmarada".
OUCH!!!!!!!!! LOL, Bubba, when I hear that kind of story, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Truly amazing. Laters!
One more thing, if you are not with your "nonmarada" all the time , she will meet someone else very quickly. There are guys coming into town all the time. These girls meet other dudes very quickly. Hence, even if you think a connection exists, and this is a reasonably assumption some times, then the minute you leave town she will more than likely meet some one else quickly.
One more trait that makes them cheat on you. They do not like to sleep alone. Brasilian girls, I guess, are used to having a big family around and hence hate to be alone at night.
Mr Enternational
03-28-07, 18:23
Look Bubba. You should know by now that you can not tell another man the best way to spend his money. If he wants to make a charitable contribution to your fridge then just accept it and give thanks as you have done.
Like I have said one million times, you have to look at it like it´s a carnival. When you arrive you pay your money to enter, you ride all the rides, you eat the popcorn and cotton candy, then you take your happy ass home until next time. You can not take the rides home with you as some people try to do. You have to leave them there for the next group of people who want to visit the carnival. I would not think of sending Six Flags money every month after I have left, expecting them to section off the ´Scream Machine´ and let no one else ride until I return.
So guys keep the money coming in and I, like Bubba, will continue to enjoy the fruits of your labor.
Excellent analogy Mr. Ent. I'm laughing my az off right now.
I got know "Sweet" very well during my many and extended stays in Rio. His name was Doug and he was in his early 50s and originally hailed from Michigan, where he earned a law degree, although he lived in Houston until his death where he was the owner of Sweet Mesquite restaurant. He was a self-proclaimed termaholic and pudgy with a mustache and was always seen in the termas, particularly 4x4 and 65 with a glass of Miolo Cabernet in hand and a wine-stained terma robe. He was known to fall asleep while relaxing in the termas and for his loud snoring. He spent almost half his time in Rio and got his tourist visa about 3 years ago by applying for it, not by marrying for it.
Sweet was a great friend and a great companion and guide who could always be counted on for a bit of advice, particularly about Rio's dining scene. He prided himself on never, or rarely, having gone to any of Rio's "regular" tourist attractions.
When he was in town, he could be found most afternoons at Alcazar or the Atlantica in front of Help having lunch prior to leaving for the 3PM opening of 4x4 or 65.
He will be missed.
Didn't know where to post this, so sorry if this is a bit OT.
How would the girls in Rio Termas compare to the chicks on Mike in Brazil's site? Some of the girls on Mikey's site are quite hot.
Thanks for any feedback. Also, is Mike in Rio? Has anyone met him?
Sui Generis
03-29-07, 09:03
Among the girls appearing on Mike in Brazil there was Mônica Mattos. She was escorting, a while ago, in São Paulo.
More recently, there was also Sarah Mineira (a GP in Sampa) but she changed her name to Sarah Scott for the porn industry. (She never worked for Mike in Brazil) . I've heard that she is probably working sometimes in Café Photo.
Among the GP in Sampa that are also porn actress, there is Sheyla Dantas she did short films for Brazilian Ass, I think.
I don't know where you can find the Mike in Rio actresses in Rio.
When are these guys going to learn. If you send cash to a girl and you leave her alone for anymore than 3 weeks at a time, she will be banging other guys. Even if she really, really, likes you, she will still be banging another dude or chic. The very qualities that we love in Brasilians, IE, they love to bang, is what is going to cause problems when you are not there. They just love to bang!Bubba, I agree with you on this. But if you really want the guy to find out, give him name and girl description. You will do him a favor and we will know what girl to go to to get a freebie ;-)
It's a win-win situation.
Cheers.
Wandering Fool
03-29-07, 19:09
Didn't know where to post this, so sorry if this is a bit OT.
How would the girls in Rio Termas compare to the chicks on Mike in Brazil's site? Some of the girls on Mikey's site are quite hot.
Thanks for any feedback. Also, is Mike in Rio? Has anyone met him?
I'd say the best girls in the termas are equal to what Mike comes up with. Afterall, I'm sure he's pulling from the same pool. Think about it. Almost any girl who will be a porno star in Brazil will also be a gdp -the american porno stars are all available. Look at hotside there are some girls who say they've done porno and some of the escort sites feature girls who've done porno. When I look at all these Big Butt Brazil films all those girls are basically the cream of the crop from the street, Help, Termas agencies and indy escorts. They're all there for the taking, Mike is just filtering them out for you.
Wandering Fool
03-29-07, 19:28
After a 2 year absence, I just finished a whirlwind 2 days in Rio before leaving for another city. My quick assesment is this:
Centaurs (I used to live there): way downhill. Not worth it, and I've always been the first to defend it. It was GREAT 2-3 years ago, definitely the best girls to be found. Not anymore. I had a hard time finding one girl I liked.
4x4: loved it but very crowded after 5pm. Bumped into one of my garota "friends" Vanessa who I hadn't talked to in 2 years. During that time she managed to get married to one of us gringo suckers who brought her up to Miami, left him, still wears the ring in the termas while she's banging 5 guys a day. The second girl I banged at 4x4 had just returned from 2 years in Italy after breaking it off with her man (well, it least it wasn't a gringo this time -I guess guys are stupid all over).
Help: Only went Tuesday night and it was not great. The majority of these girls are lesbians, see guys as ATM's and just emit evil. I don't know how any guy who isn't completely f**ked up would ever think of pulling one of them. They just look like little evil con artists with no soul and little in the way of looks. This is not to say there aren't some half way decent girls as well just trying to earn a buck, but man, the more I'm there the more I see behind the curtain and really don't like what it looks like. Ended up pulling one of the only decent looking girls who was ready to walk at anything below R300 so I caved but at least she was full gfe and sweet.
The street was the street, it never changes. The girls outside Maia Pataica are all different from my last trip yet strangely look identical in most ways to the previous generation. Same with the girls outside Help. It looks like the Star Wars bar scene, every type of weird look you can imagine. Yet, there always seem to be one or two that ring my bell in a strange way so I'll get their numbers. There's usually one aspect of them that tweaks me like having an outrageous ass or maybe they look like a sluty version of some girl I used to like in the US. It's never the full package with these street girls unless it's truly some part time pro from out of town who's just in for some quick reals to help with school.
Gotta go, still work to do down here. I'll write more later.
Blancoflaco
03-30-07, 00:28
There is a girl in L'uomo who was on Mike in Brazil. After we fucked she told me. Her name is Bianka, nice girl and lots of fun. She might be off to Italy soon.
The street was the street, it never changes. The girls outside Maia Pataica are all different from my last trip yet strangely look identical in most ways to the previous generation. Same with the girls outside Help. It looks like the Star Wars bar scene, every type of weird look you can imagine. Yet, there always seem to be one or two that ring my bell in a strange way so I'll get their numbers. There's usually one aspect of them that tweaks me like having an outrageous ass or maybe they look like a sluty version of some girl I used to like in the US.
SOOOO TRUE! You hit the nail right on the head. There is enough varied tastes so that guys are not fighting over the same girls. That's why it is so hard to put a number rating on a girl IMHO. I prefer to rate girls by the way that she might look like someone famous. For example, I went to Termas Cancun tonight I swear there was a blonde that could be the twin of Amy Smart (she was in this romantic comedy "Just Friends" with Ryan Reynolds) you can google her. I might go back tomorrow to bang her! She has that certain quality.
Vanessa works or worked at Solarium and/or Monte Carlo. So good she appeared in 2 Mike in Brazil episodes.
Currently on preview page 42 of Mike's website:
http://www.************.com/main42.htm?id=nd5000
I actually "met" Vanessa at Solarium, before her fame. We didn't click. But she was an ATF of a fellow monger.
BTW, page 42 is the last preview page. There are more garotas, looks like Mike has amassed quite a collection of vids.
Wasn't the garota with the "Made In Brazil" tattoo a Mike girl?
I also remember a 4x4 garota that was a Mike girl, but I dont see her on the preview pages.
Almotu
Is Cybelle your Amy Smart twin?
http://www.************.com/main2.htm?id=nd5000
When are these guys going to learn. If you send cash to a girl and you leave her alone for anymore than 3 weeks at a time, she will be banging other guys. Even if she really, really, likes you, she will still be banging another dude or chic. The very qualities that we love in Brasilians, IE, they love to bang, is what is going to cause problems when you are not there. They just love to bang!Absolutely right.
I guess it's "cultural". Don't forget they were raised with TV Globo and its 5 tele-novelas (soap opera) a day. What is it about??? Love, passion, lies, jealousy and sex of course.
Hey Chingon, good to see your post. Actually I get re-directed to MikesApartment when I click on the links you posted. I am in Rio now and I guess for the protection of the garotas - they block access from Brazilian IP addresses. Anyone know a proxy that can be used to bypass this block?
I did not converse with the Amy Smart lookalike, I'll try to get her name next time I go to Cancun. BTW, I do recommend checking out Cancun. The girls are not as gangsta as the other termas in Centro, there were as many slim model types as their big bunda sisters and the rooms are really nice. They have a Monday promotion in which your entrance fee of $R30 gets you 6 beers!
BTW, not all the Mike In Brazil episodes are filmed in Rio. Some are produced in a private resort, the beach scenes are not shot in Copa or Ipanema but probably Leblon ... otherwise they would have a riot on their hands. The ones that look like are shot at VIPS are actually done in a nice penthouse apartment in Leme. Shooting at VIPS are reserved for major productions because it is expensive by Brazilian standards.
If you like pornos featuring Rio talent check out Silverstone Pictures. The porn director from California liked Brazil so much he packed up his whole production company and moved it to Brazil. He now lives in Rio full time. His videos have slick production values and is know for his use of fluid Steadi-cam shots. Check out his famous series, Pick-Up Lines.
There is a girl in L'uomo who was on Mike in Brazil. After we fucked she told me. Her name is Bianka, nice girl and lots of fun. She might be off to Italy soon.Hey Blanco flaco,
The Bianca girl, is she about 22 with longish black curly hair and speaks very good English. If it's the same girl she told me she was going to university to study journalism last time I was in Rio. That was Febuary and she was leaving for Italy that day to see her mom.
I've just started the Pimsleur Brazil Portuguese course BTW. Anyone else out there learning Portuguese? The course is expensive but very good.
Almotu. Why is shooting a video in VIPS so much more expensive than renting a penthouse somewhere else?
Do you have a URL for Silverstone Pictures?
Gentlemen,
Here is what I don't get. Why are his videos special??? I mean you are in Brazil. Being with a Playboy centerfold maybe special, but it is not uncommon. Many of us have been with or will be with the next Mike In Brazil girl. Anyone can rent a suite at VIP and have a party. I just don't get why his girls are special.
RR
I also remember a 4x4 garota that was a Mike girl, but I dont see her on the preview pages.That was Babalu, thick ass blond chick.
Wandering Fool
03-31-07, 08:34
Gentlemen,
Here is what I don't get. Why are his videos special??? I mean you are in Brazil. Being with a Playboy centerfold maybe special, but it is not uncommon. Many of us have been with or will be with the next Mike In Brazil girl. Anyone can rent a suite at VIP and have a party. I just don't get why his girls are special.
RR
You're right. If you're in Brazil, his videos are NOT special. I'm banging girls as good or better than his every day while on my trip. The difference is that I'm picking the ones I want to be with instead of having to watch his choices. Vanessa from 4x4 was in Playboy a few years back, she looks better than ever and you can bang her in every hole for as many hours as you want any day of the week, and there are many others in the various termas, agencies as good or better than her.
You may have to look a bit, as I said earlier, Mike filters the girls so you are certainly seeing some cute ones, but nothing you can't get yourself down here if you take the time to look at all the various places. Start collecting phone numbers and you can have your own call list of your favorites when you visit, except these aren't Mike's choices, their your own preferences and presumably based not just on looks but also on chemistry, performance etc.
Just remember, as someone so aptly said earlier: DON'T TRY TO TAKE THE RIDES HOME WITH YOU!!!!!
Bravo, With the advance of tiny digital camcorders every body can be a porn producer these days. I believe VIPs charge by the number of people who enter the suite. Most locations don't do that. But VIPs is probably better equiped than the normal residential apartment for a shoot since the sex trade is what they cater to 24/7. Again with the DiY mentality of porn these days, some producer/directors are more successful by what they bring to the table. A Redlight District video of guys wrecking a cutie's every hole can be as enjoyable as a major Private multi-parter based on "Gladiator". Big orgies or gang bangs are more likely to need a facility like VIPs.
BTW, googling did not help so here's the URL: http://www.silverstonevideo.com/php/movies.php
RonnyRon, I agree with you 100% there is nothing special about Mike In Brazil's girls. Like any other porn performer if you act like you know what you are doing and you pay them their rate you can f*ck them. For example, you can walk into Jim South's office in LA and with a minimum effort of backup you can be a porn director. You can pay $250USD for a blowjob scene as long as you get your PCR Aids test in order. $1,500USD and you can shoot a BB Anal scene with a fresh porn starlet!
I hope everyone here knows that the Mike In Brazil episodes are scripted and the girls sign model releases and probably got the ELiSA aids test before shooting. They probably got paid $R800 to $R1000 per scene. The hottest chicks that go to HELP or work at 4x4 without their parents knowledge probably don't want the exposure that filming for Mike In Brazil would bring. In the States, porn stars build their reputation by performing the nastiest scenes (anal, bukkake, Ass 2 Mouth, etc) so that they can feature dance and make tons of money selling personalize memorabilia - polaroids & videos when they visit "a town near you". For the Rio GDP who has made a few videos, I have not seen that they can increase their price. There are a few who may have gone freelance and setup their own websites but with so much available poontang around I don't know how successful they are.
Ultimately, Mike In Brazil's video gives you something to whack off to when you are not living the dream in Rio. It is a diversion from watching the same dozen or so pornstars from the valley (LA) that are not totally disgusting. Mike In Brazil shows what is possible in Rio. Without a direct IN with the local porn industry I doubt that you can do the same in Euro porn hotspots like Budapest and Prague. In Rio, you can!
How old is everyone on this board who's in Rio right now?
Is anyone in the late twenties or early thirties?
Almotu:
is this your Amy Smart twin, Cybelle?
Flexinbk:
I forgot about Babalu. The one I was think about was a cute light brown haired, fair skinned, hard bodied garota. A lean, mean, frocking machine.
Nope. But she is a cute girl and I downloaded her trailer. But to me she looks more like a young Linda Hamilton than Amy. See attached pic for comparison.
almotu, Who the hell is amy smart and do you actually think any of the pervs on this site saw a movie called " Just Friends". lmao! Please compare a chick that we might know from a real movie like Sin City. " i banged a chick who looked like jessica alba" now we are talking.
Now show me a photo. There are so many guys that say they banged JLo, Halle Berry, Penelope Cruz, Salma Hayek look-alikes and then come to see their photos . . . not even close. I am just try to tell it like I see it and give an accurate description of a chick I saw at Cancun, that is all.
BTW, if anybody cares I was in L'uomo last night and there was this chick that had a face like Natalie Cole and a body like "Jessica Rabbit" (yes, I know its a cartoon - what a bunda) . . . you are into that sort of thing.
...and HELP girls don't all look like Shakira, either. Happy shopping, people.
This past Tuesday, MrEnternational hosted my virgin trip to Vila Mimosa. Wow, what a eyeopener! Gives new meaning to "slumming it". 95% of the girls available I would not touch in the cleanest, fanciest terma. Very hard on the eyes! But, there were a few doable girls and I finally went 20mins with a light skinned morena. The room was so disgusting - I could not even do the deed though she turned out to have a killer body and was very willing to give good service. I got her cell phone number and will be calling her to set up something at my rental apartment in Copa. She told me that she is not at VM often, anyway for $R100 = 2 hours I thought she was worth a second taste.
VM, is a three block long strip located in deserted area off the motorway. Tiny, shanty bars on both sides of the street plus narrow alleyways leading to more tiny bars, probably 25 bars in total. Each bar had 3 to 6 half naked girls listlessly waiting for customers. It was a very hot and humid night when I went and though there was not a lot of neon, the whole place had a "Bladerunner" feel to me.
Thanks again, MrE for helping me bust my VM cherry. You Da Man.
Wanderer1000
04-02-07, 03:01
Just got back from a week in Rio. I think it was my sixth trip in almost three years.
After doing a Sunday night at Luomos, I went to centro the next five days and hit 4x4 each day. I'd been a number of times in the past, but I just let myself get into the subway routine, walking the streets with the crowds, eating at the stand-up shops, etc. I really got into it. With the declining dollar, the 180R for an hour in a simple suit feels like a good deal after the Copa area termas. And I really have come to like the more informal way the whole place seems to operate.
When you go to one of the upper floors for your room, you see the areas behind the glass where the garotas are being made pretty - it just adds to the casualness of the whole experience. I'm not blown away by the quality of the women, but there are always a handful that can do it for me - it only takes one.The girls generally don't have any attitudes, and I had all great experiences. I even did a dupla the last day with a sister team(Ojana and Jackie). I enjoyed my days there, and I'll look to have a lot more visiits on my next trip. Ojana was a total pleaser with a great attitude. Flavia was a real beauty with indiginous features (mainly eyes). Anybody experience them?
Hit Rio the other day. It seems Baby is definitely gone, rumors of her being engaged seem to be true. That happened quick, i spoke to her 8 weeks ago and she wasn't even dating a dude.
Another favourite of mine Julie seems to be gone for good. She left 2 months ago and reappeared for a few weeks and is rumored to be gone for good now. Possibly the same way that Baby went.
Best of luck to these 2 girls.
There is new talent but they haven't really added any new girls at the top of the talent pool, hence definitely a net drain.
Wandering Fool
04-02-07, 05:11
Just got back from a week in Rio. I think it was my sixth trip in almost three years.
After doing a Sunday night at Luomos, I went to centro the next five days and hit 4x4 each day. I'd been a number of times in the past, but I just let myself get into the subway routine, walking the streets with the crowds, eating at the stand-up shops, etc. I really got into it. With the declining dollar, the 180R for an hour in a simple suit feels like a good deal after the Copa area termas. And I really have come to like the more informal way the whole place seems to operate.
When you go to one of the upper floors for your room, you see the areas behind the glass where the garotas are being made pretty - it just adds to the casualness of the whole experience. I'm not blown away by the quality of the women, but there are always a handful that can do it for me - it only takes one.The girls generally don't have any attitudes, and I had all great experiences. I even did a dupla the last day with a sister team(Ojana and Jackie). I enjoyed my days there, and I'll look to have a lot more visiits on my next trip. Ojana was a total pleaser with a great attitude. Flavia was a real beauty with indiginous features (mainly eyes). Anybody experience them?
Was Jackie the one with the blond hair and big ass? If so, yes I saw her earlier this week and thought she was great. We really hit it off. Nice attitude, grreat bunda. She told me her sister worked their also so I assume this was the one.
Wanderer1000
04-02-07, 22:59
Jackie had blondish hair, but she was real thin with nice tits (too thin for me, but okay doing it with her sister). She was nineteen and Ojana is turning twenty-four in a few days. At the end of our threesome, I told them I had enjoyed my fantasy of doing a sister team. Ojana then tells me they have two other sisters working there. What a trip - to do all four sisters at the same time.
I'd recommend Ojana if you're there and you like her look. YMMV - but I think she has one of the best attitudes I've had in several years. When I complimented her on her great attitude, she practically burst out of her skin telling me that everybody loves her because she's so happy all the time. Whenever I would ask her if she likes this or does that, she'd cut me off with a soulful look and said "Everything, I love everything, baby." When I told her I wanted to do this other chick first, and I would do her afterwards, she says with that soulful look in her eyes, "Baby, no problem - I'm here all the time for you. Whatever you want, baby." And she backs it all up in the cabina. She does it all - even lesbo action with her sister.
ONLY IN BRAZIL !!!
When I told her I wanted to do this other chick first, and I would do her afterwards, she says with that soulful look in her eyes, "Baby, no problem - I'm here all the time for you. Whatever you want, baby." And she backs it all up in the cabina. She does it all - even lesbo action with her sister.
Does Ojana or her sisters' photo exist on this board?
Wanderer1000
04-03-07, 00:17
Almotu,
Check out the photo gallery - Ojana to the left, Jackie to the right.
Your mission, if you decide to accept it - photos of the other two sisters. :)
Ojana then tells me they have two other sisters working there. What a trip - to do all four sisters at the same time.
Oh great, now I got that damn song stuck in my head!
Good report and nice photo, Jak. Just out of curiosity, are you sure these girls are "Irmãs" by blood? It's been my experience that some GdPs will often call each other "sisters", but in reality, are not really related. They will also sometimes say they are "Primas". It just seems like something good girlfriends call each other. I wasn't going to say anything because it's not hard to believe that a team of sisters works at a termas (it is Rio, after all), but when you said she has two MORE sisters that work there, that kinda raised a red flag. Jesus Christ, do her two Moms work there as well??
Speaking of sisters at 4X4, does anyone know if the twins are still there?
The twins strictly work Meia Pataca.
Wanderer1000
04-03-07, 04:09
Ezinho,
You make a good point about understanding the culture. I think the two I had were similar enough that they at least had the same mother. When I asked Ojana if she lived near her parents, she said yes, but she didn't have a father. I gave her a sorry look (presuming her father died), but she didn't respond to it. She said she lives with her sister in a duplex type place - her sister lives upstairs and she downstairs. Ah, who knows. I guess it's a reminder to never forget - most of these garotas are as good at lying as they are at sex.
Wild Cherokee
04-03-07, 05:27
Hit Rio the other day. It seems Baby is definitely gone, rumors of her being engaged seem to be true. That happened quick, i spoke to her 8 weeks ago and she wasn't even dating a dude.
Another favourite of mine Julie seems to be gone for good. She left 2 months ago and reappeared for a few weeks and is rumored to be gone for good now. Possibly the same way that Baby went.
Best of luck to these 2 girls.
There is new talent but they haven't really added any new girls at the top of the talent pool, hence definitely a net drain.
Bubba Boy,
I'm still waiting for you say "April Fools"! Please, say it ain't so! My wingman is distraught. Baby was his favorite ride.
WC
Ezinho,
You make a good point about understanding the culture. I think the two I had were similar enough that they at least had the same mother. When I asked Ojana if she lived near her parents, she said yes, but she didn't have a father. Hi Jak,
Just saw your post. Are you in Brazil currently? Remember we met one day last year in 2006 when we sat at help and I picked up one of my favorite 'sweeties' there. I will be in Rio in May, will you be there?
Dutch44
My experience is that "twins" or "sisters" is a marketing ploy, particularly in Help
Veterano
Wanderer1000
04-04-07, 02:13
I only had one other occasion in Rio where garotas said they were related - cousins from Vitoria in Luomos. I didn't see it as trying to market something to me. They shared an apartment and did resemble each other.
The "sisters" at 4x4 didn't try to market me either. It was my idea (or so I thought). I thought they looked similar enough that it was believable - same height and body type.
I've probably put in around three months or so in Rio over the last three years - never felt I was getting marketed on some sister or cousin thing. Am I naive?
Mr Enternational
04-04-07, 02:16
The twins strictly work Meia Pataca.Yeah they stopped the 4X4 gig when the one had the baby. The only thing there were able to sell themselves on is that they were twins. Other than that they sucked. And when the pregnant one left the other one didn't make any money. The one to watch for is the younger sister Patricia.
I had a pair of girls tell me they are sisters in Help last week only to find out later that night that they are just saying that to get the gringos to pay a higher price. They are totally unrelated although do resemble each other a little. Seems like its pretty common.
Yeah they stopped the 4X4 gig when the one had the baby. The only thing there were able to sell themselves on is that they were twins. Other than that they sucked. And when the pregnant one left the other one didn't make any money. The one to watch for is the younger sister Patricia.
MR E, have you been with the younger sister, Patricia? I've seen her walk around with her twin sisters near Help a bunch of times, but I never grabbed her. Unfortunately, she wasnt blessed with the big booty, like her siblings. How is she?
Yeah they stopped the 4X4 gig when the one had the baby. The only thing there were able to sell themselves on is that they were twins. Other than that they sucked. And when the pregnant one left the other one didn't make any money. The one to watch for is the younger sister Patricia.I have never see the twins with Patrica, it's always two out of three. Never done 3 sisters at one, just another thing to scratch off the list. The last time I spoke to them, they did mention they had a 4th sister. Can anyone confirm?
Yep Baby is still apparently getting married, she is definitetly not working at Luomo anymore. Ingrid as well has been absent of late from Luomo, apparently she is dating some dude. Ingrid is odds on to be back though. Baby, probably not. Julie, also gone, I hear she is getting married as well. Luomo is hurting now.
Are these the twins we speak of?
I was surprised to see them by Meia Pattaca.
I was told another set of twins also worked 4x4.
Nice pics, Chingon. I was wondering when someone was going to post pics of them, they used to be quite a novelty at 4X4 a couple of years ago. Actually, I'm suprised I don't have any pics of them; I should be ashamed of myself!
Anyways, these are the twins *I* was speaking of. It seems like there are two different sets of twins in this discussion now. The ones that you posted are the ones that used to work at 4X4. I second Mr. Enternational's opinion, these girls were lame in the cabine, one of the more mediocre termas experiences I ever had. In addition, they aren't really even that good looking IMHO. Their faces are funny looking, they have no waist, and their tits are disappointing. On the plus side, they have nice, huge asses. Also, they really ARE sisters by blood, so got to give them credit for that as well. At least you know they're not lying about that (even if they lie about everything else!).
I can only imagine that their performance and attitude has gotten worse now that they work Meia Pataca.
i tried to catch them while i was down there in march but was too busy with others. they were at meia pattaca in mid to late march. a friend of mine hooked up with them. they say they are sisters, but it is hard to believe when they went down on each other as well as they did. they had quoted me 150r each for 1 to 2 hours. i will see them when i get back. i think they have a cousin or other sister. they stated that they live with their mother, so they couldn't go to helpee or stay all night. if you believe that.
Mr Enternational
04-05-07, 03:44
Yes those are the twins. I was going to get them at 4X4 just for the novelty of making them eat each other out and getting it on tape. But by the time I thought of doing that the one had already left to have the baby. They always run around MP like desperate hags along with their other friend begging to come to the crib for 100 BRL each. They just don't do anything for me though, or maybe I have been seeing them too long. Nope Bravo, I haven't done Patricia, but if I had to do one of their family members then it would be her. I think I do remember there being another sister as well Flex, but maybe I have only seen her once and wouldn't know her if she came up to me and put her pussy on my leg.
Wanderer1000
04-05-07, 04:30
Hi Dutch44,
Yes, I remember you. Tried to PM you - wouldn't allow it. Won't be back in Rio until June and July. PM me if you can in the future.
My wingman took those pics. He had a such a good time with them, he invited them to our apartment after hours. They arrived with a "cousin." I played with one of the twins. My buddy played with the cousin and the other twin. I was not impressed with my twins performance, Ezinho. I felt rushed, and it was nowhere near the safada performance I've become accustomed too. The novelty is that they are twins, but that wears out fast. Also no interaction between them, at least when I was with them.
My wingman took those pics. He had a such a good time with them, he invited them to our apartment after hours. They arrived with a "cousin." I played with one of the twins. My buddy played with the cousin and the other twin. I was not impressed with my twins performance, Ezinho. I felt rushed, and it was nowhere near the safada performance I've become accustomed too. The novelty is that they are twins, but that wears out fast. Also no interaction between them, at least when I was with them.They have that reputation.
Exec Talent
04-05-07, 14:42
Yep Baby is still apparently getting married, she is definitetly not working at Luomo anymore. Ingrid as well has been absent of late from Luomo, apparently she is dating some dude. Ingrid is odds on to be back though. Baby, probably not. Julie, also gone, I hear she is getting married as well. Luomo is hurting now.
Babi told me of her plans when she was still at L'uomo. I saw her about two weeks ago on the street near her apartment and she looked fantastic. The woman whom I was with was curious how I knew her. She could not believe she had been a working girl. She always was very cool with me. Let's hope things work out well for her.
There were naysayers when I said L'uomo was going downhill. I hope they see I was not crying wolf. Business is so bad now that many of the even marginal girls have gone to either Monte Carlo or Centaurus.
Went to L'uomo on Saturday (March 31) and the infamous Ingrid was pointed out to me. I've never seen her before. I can understand why she has a following. She can definitely be the life of the party. She was almost having too much fun . . . dancing up a storm. As for Babi, could someone point the way to a photo of her? Don't know her either. Sheyla was MIA but I think it was just a day off thing.
Went to 4x4 on Tuesday (April 3) around 3pm, picked the hottest looking girl in the boite IMHO . . . guess what, it was JACKIE, one of the sisters. She was definitely bubbly and you can't knock those perfect B-cups. I'd call her "The Tyra Banks of 4x4 . . . of Rio, for that matter" especially when she gives this big open mouth laugh. In the cabine though, there was something missing. She was lively, fun and a bit PSE with some dirty talk but she gave me a CBJ. Her moaning was exaggerated but what the hell I am f*cking "America's Top Model", right? She also upsold me to the 60min cabine without any discussion but for R20 extra I did not mind getting the 20 extra minutes with her. Evertyhing said and done, I still had a great time.
For the immediate short term, if you are in town I can recommend going to 502 in Centro. It's a fun time even though, I did not session there, the talent is very do-able (out of 26 girls, 8 I'd do). For the Easter holiday, the garotas have bunny ears on . . . quite a scene. There's a funny drag queen who MCs the strip shows - he looks like Philip Seymour Hoffman in a moo-moo, LOL! Entrance is R15 minimum consumption. Skol = $R5, sodas/water =$R3.
I was in front of HELP three nights on this trip, Tue / Fri & Sun and was only impressed with the talent Friday night. But because of the terma options I was not motivated enough to even begin negotiations.
SlickdySlick
04-05-07, 17:26
just got back from rio this week. here is a quick report cause eveything has been covered before:
travel: airfrance suck!!!!! food was stale bread and nasty cheese, entertainment system left me with the only choice to watch monsters inc., and cdg airport is a hole, i bought a 5th of absloute and got drunk to keep from killing myself. all in all airfrance is like france only in the air.
apt: rented from kenn always good.
termas:
l'oumos: went twice had a great time girls were cute fell in love with patrica a small girl great service, if you take please be gentle i plan on marrying her one day lol. i don't feel that this place went down at all.
4x4: good time and never really got too busy. tons of girl big booties and lots of tattoos. rode in from the metro station which is an easy walk from my place. other than nothing different here.
helpee: always fun to me. sunday nights are the best not a lot of people and the girls seem more willing to hang out a party instead og going straight tp price mode. only went 5 nights out of the 16 days, some night just sat at the drive barbeque and listen the street kids claiming how the robbed people bunch of bs!!
shenangins: this place is too funny same girl from help in different outfits presenting thenselves as your avrage brazilian girl looking for a good time. lol and people were buying it??? careful in here is saw a lot of girl who looked **** to me. goodtime for a hangout but if you in a bar with mostly gringos and paying more than r3,00 for your beer any girl you meet is not your avrage brazilian girl.
lapa: was dead for some reason but symbol was jumping. tons of chicks here i chatted with a few but my port is still not good enough so it fizzeled quick.
summary: rio was as good as it's ever been. i enjoy it more every year and each year i go to helpee less and hit other spots more, but i still love helpee cause it is such a freak show. i really wanted to do a dupla with the migdet and the girl that is about 6'5".
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
It's a good marketing ploy too but I don't think these two work together. This is not my picture, I got it off the Help site but the one on the left is Jessica and the one on the right is Danielle, I believe. Did the one on the left a couple of months ago, it was marvelous, did the one on the right last year, marvelous tambem.
Are you sure of what are you writing and posting?
I have some doubts..... sorry but the one on the right seem to be Maria de Graca Mello.... of infamous internet fame.....
http://www.lecramss.xpg.com.br/
Hi Dutch44,
Yes, I remember you. Tried to PM you - wouldn't allow it. Won't be back in Rio until June and July. PM me if you can in the future.I guess the PM does not work yet because I'm a regular member only. May be I should upgrade. Anyway, nice to hear that you had a good time in RJ. You and I only met for a few hours but it was nice to share our Rio experiences and meet a fellow monger. I had a great time with that Help girl (Luciana) she was very sweet. Except on the last day when I had to leave. She nicked my Nikon digital camera! Well it was my own fault I guess, I had not put the camera safely away and she probably felt she was entitled to an extra 'Tip'. I also think she was jaleous because she found out I was seeing some other girls (escort) as well and it was her way of telling me that I had done something 'wrong'. Well, I learned that lesson.
Perhaps we will meet again, some time. I will be in Rio in May for two weeks.
Anyway, take care and enjoy,
Dutch44
Are you sure of what are you writing and posting?
I have some doubts..... sorry but the one on the right seem to be Maria de Graca Mello.... of infamous internet fame.....
http://www.lecramss.xpg.com.br/
That's her. She's wearing the same clothes in the initial picture and on the website. Can also be found on Adult Friend Finders listing for Peru!!
Polvo
Wanderer1000
04-05-07, 23:52
Almotu - "In the cabine though, there was something missing. She was lively, fun and a bit PSE with some dirty talk but she gave me a CBJ. Her moaning was exaggerated but what the hell I am f*cking "America's Top Model", right? "
CBJ? I didn't know that happened in Rio. :) Jackie made it clear to me (before I did the threesome) that Ojana loves to suck, and she loves to fuck. If you want deep oral with porno loving care - go with Ojana. I swear she could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch laying backwards - what a lady!
Are you sure of what are you writing and posting?
I have some doubts..... sorry but the one on the right seem to be Maria de Graca Mello.... of infamous internet fame.....
http://www.lecramss.xpg.com.br/
She's a looker!!! And the friend of her that some of you were referring to, is even hotter! Just out of curiosity, are these 2 girls still in the game and where can they be found? And what are their rates? They really look yummy!!!
I have been to Rio once before a couple of years ago with a friend. I had a great time there and met many women. I went during Nov/Dec and it seemed busy and very good without being too busy.
During my stay I went to help several times and picked up a variety of women from there. I did not use any escorts and have not been to a terma before.
I have question a few questions for you:
- Is it ok to go to Rio between July and Nov? I believe this will be the low season and would wait if it's going to mean a better time, but obviously the sooner the better!
- Is it still quite easy to have a good time going to Rio by yourself? Nearly all of my holidays have been one or more people, and all mongering trips have been with at least one other person.
- Is it a bit weird being in a terma and wearing a robe? Or is this a must-do thing? I didn't last time, but I do not know whether I will go again, and so do not want to miss out on any must do things!
- Is it worthwhile trying an escort in Rio or picking up one of the streetwalkers / beach hookers for some fun in the day?
- Is it worth going to bars/clubs other than help? I do not speak Portugese - during my last trip I picked up a few words, but not enough to hold a proper conversation.
- All my encounters in Rio were of the one-on-one situation. Are the duplas in Rio a must do? And are there any recommended dupla teams or places(help or termas?)/websites to pickup duplas?
On my last visit I stayed at the Rio Othon Palace. I liked the hotel, especially it's location in relation to Help. We could walk there at night and it felt safe as it's only a few hundred yards. However, it was not girl friendly then. I assume this has not changed. We use to end up with our 'takeouts' from Help in on the motels. However, if I'm going alone I do not want to pay for hotels and motels. Therefore, if anyone knows of another hotel that is on the beach front and girlfriendly then please let me know.
Thanks in advance for any feedback/suggestions.
Tango
All of your questions seem to be common newbie questions. All of the answers to your questions below are answered if you go back and read the Rio reports. Good luck!
- Is it ok to go to Rio between July and Nov? I believe this will be the low season and would wait if it's going to mean a better time, but obviously the sooner the better!
I don't think there's a bad time to go! Carnaval and new Year are pricier, that's all . . .
- Is it still quite easy to have a good time going to Rio by yourself? Nearly all of my holidays have been one or more people, and all mongering trips have been with at least one other person.
Totally. I rarely holiday with anyone else, though occasionally meet up with a like minded soul for the odd beer or as a wingman to chat to non-pros.
- Is it worthwhile trying an escort in Rio or picking up one of the streetwalkers / beach hookers for some fun in the day?
Escort experiences vary. Mostly you should avoid streetwalkers, though the girls that hang out at the restaurants on Atlantica are ok (usually). The ones at the Prado Jnr area restaurants are ok if you are very sure about how to pick and choose and not get robbed.
- Is it worth going to bars/clubs other than help? I do not speak Portugese - during my last trip I picked up a few words, but not enough to hold a proper conversation.
I don't think so personally, except non-monger clubs. The likes of Barbarellas might be a novelty but are arip-off.
- All my encounters in Rio were of the one-on-one situation. Are the duplas in Rio a must do? And are there any recommended dupla teams or places(help or termas?)/websites to pickup duplas?
Personal preference. If you do do a dupla, whether in a terma or with escorts (or even with non-pros), I recommend you put plenty of thought into exactly you would like to do in terms of scenarios. Threesomes are far more complicated than on the porno movies.
SlickdySlick
04-07-07, 00:52
@ Mangera
I know I will get flamed for this but I hate when you guys treat these boards like some kind of highschool popularity group if you don't want to give the guy an answer why waste nthe time posting that?
@Tango
Yes the termas is a must and I know guys who have been to Rio 5 times and never been to a terma. Go to 4 X 4 and hit Monte Carlos in Copa I didn't go but 3 people told me that it was great this year. I had a great time at L'omos but other said it went down but I but notice. ANs wear the robe sem underware rock out with your balls out brother!!
Other bars you can try Shnangins or the Irish Pub on Gen. Oirsa, these are Gringo chaser bars but really not worth it you will fuck for free but pay more in the long run. ANd the way they try to play it like its a regular bar is kind of annoying. Also hit Symbol and Lapa you won't get anywhere but its a good time and you can always go to Help later, Symbol and Lapa have real regular girls there.
Went to Rio by myself on my first trip and usally end up there by myself for a week or so every year and I always have a great time. Most of the guys you meet down there are cool guys and you really wont be alone anyways. I would try and apt. instead of a hotel for girl friendly but to be honest I never stayed in a Hotel for a long period of time.
SlickdySlick
04-07-07, 00:56
Tango,
I forgot to add Bubby Boys guide is a must I have been to Rio 6 times and it helped me so I know it will help you!
I ended up in 4x4 last night, met a friendly morena who kept on checking me out and smiling. The place had about 10 young locals in their robes but topless showing off their muscles, dancing with the GDPs but little else. Anyway, this morena tried to get away from one of these punks by grabbing me and leading me to a corner seat and starting kissing me! Now that got my attention! We started talking and she claimed that she was nervous (she had cold hands) because it was her first night working at 4x4. She was playfully stroking my leg and chest while we chatted, she tried to get me to go upstairs with her but was not aggressive about it nor did she grab my cock which would probably have sealed the deal. . . lol!
Anyway, Jackie appeared in a flash and came over to us and gave me a kiss and tells me that Marisol is her 'prima'. Apparently, Marisol's pop is the brother of Jackie's mom! I did not see any IDs so I'll have to take their word for it. The girls don't look related, but I guess you don't really have to . . . being cousins and all. Anyhoo, Marisol tells me that she is taking the bus to Sao Paulo tomorrow so that she can pick up her things since she is moving to Rio (to work). Soon it was closing time and we bid our farewells, she said for me to come and see her on Monday. I think I will try her out then.
I just thought it was pretty funny that Jackie's whole family seem to running the joint (4x4) . . . LOL! 3 sisters and 1 cousin and counting (?)
Has anyone visited Via Show?
Exec Talent
04-07-07, 18:14
@ Mangera
I know I will get flamed for this but I hate when you guys treat these boards like some kind of highschool popularity group if you don't want to give the guy an answer why waste nthe time posting that?
SlickdySlick,
You seem like a reasonable guy (good taste in women, anyway). And, I know Magera is.
His point I think was not really directed at a single poster but at posters in general who do not make even a minimal effort and expect others to do their work for them. For example, recently a poster asked for a list of escort sites about 2 pages after I had just posted such a list.
When I first came to Rio I spent a lot of time on forums reading and printing out what I thought was essential. I did the same thing before visiting a number of other cities.
Bubba Boy invests a lot of time in compiling information about Rio. It would help if before posters started asking questions here that they at least took the time to read it. Most of us don't mind helping out. However, we take the time to do our research and expect others to do the same.
You can choose to hate if you wish. Thats your right. Those are not my intentions. If you were to take a look at Tangos number of posted entrees, you would realize that it was only his first report. Its obvious that if you read the type of questions and the number of total reports made........well, you can put 2 and 2 together.
My intentions are not to acquire any attention or to insult anyone, if anything it is just to offer a bit of constructive criticism. I didn't even use the popular acronym RTFF in my report. I mentioned it in a more civilized manner. I have made the proper effort in reading and researching before asking anyone a question. That is the responsible thing to do. Afterall, isn't that the primary reason people write these reports in the first place. So that others can learn, especially the fairly obvious info.
As for a highschool popularity contest, I can not relate to you, thats not my scene. For the record, forgive me for wasting my time writing this report.
Having recently been checking the forum on a country I've not visited yet, I'd say maybe go easy on the people who ask questions that have been answered. Not encouraging anyone not to read as much as they can before asking a question that's been answered the day before, but it can have it's own problems when a country forum gets to a certain size.
For Rio (and a few other places) we are very fortunate in having a pretty comprehensive guide that someone has taken the trouble to put together, but that's not always the case, and if you are preparing for a trip on top of your regular job then spending hours on the forum to access all the info may not be an option. And even Bubba's brilliant guide is weak on a few areas that he's less keen on, such as Mimosa, although he does a pretty good job even there.
But have you ever read volumes of stuff and then just thought, I'd love someone's simple opinion, in two or three sentences? I think it can perhaps be like that for a newcomer. They get to see a few familiar names and just want to know what those posters think.
So, a bit of slack both ways, eh? If you need info, make an honest attempt to check it out and be honest about where you are coming from. Experienced posters, if you have time to personalise with a few words before referring queries to the specialised threads, go for it.
And even Bubba's brilliant guide is weak on a few areas that he's less keen on, such as Mimosa, although he does a pretty good job even there.
My problem is I only have one dick and a limited number of bullets that the little fellow can shoot each day, hence I can only cover so much ;-)
I would be more than happy if we had half a dozen such guides on Rio. The more the better the coverage. I would be as happy as a pig rolling around in his own shit ( and we all know that is pretty damn happy ) if we had 6 or so comprehensive guides on each big city, but I guess that is just a pipe dream.
I also understand both points of view here, on the first hand someone with 1 post should really take the time to dig around through this forum. Then if he asks pertinent questions, I don't think anybody would have a problem taking the time to answer them. However if they have obviously not even read the forum in its most basic form then people, quite rightly, fell are little like one needs to put in a bit more effort before they bare willing to take the time to reply.
Hi Guys,
I am going to Rio in about 4 weeks for the 4th time. Is any one of you currently in Rio and do you know what the current rates are at Help are for a TLN? Last time I was there, the lowest rate was about 150-200 R$ for a full night. I assume prices have come down after carneval, but wonder what they are now.
Dutch44
As most people on this forum know, Rio de Janeiro suffers from pretty bad violence for years on end now. Apparently, over 1000 people have been killed in violence in the state of Rio this year already. (that's just 3 months) Today, the 1000 people protesting against this at the copacabana beach, symbolize those victims.
If you can read portuguese, you can read more here:
http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2007/04/07/295269894.asp
So while Rio is a wonderful place to enjoy and has some of the most gorgeous women on this planet, it does have its 'issues'.
Enjoy & stay safe,
Dutch44
SlickdySlick
04-07-07, 22:09
I just re-read his questions and it seems to me the guy is asking more opinion questions than fact questions.
i.e. How do you guys feel about wearing the robe, it is not like he is asking do you have to wear one?
The guy is just a little uneasy about making his trip alone, and he is asking for opinions not facts? He didn't hey can I pick up hookers on the beach he asked how do they compare to streerwalkers?
It doesn't matter if it is his first report cause a ton of guys are on here and never post. Thats what I am talking about with the highschool popularity contest, how many post does on need to have before he can ask what the groups opinion is on something?
My point is the guy is asking for opinions not facts he seems to know the fact which is likely from research or first hand experiance.
The only reason I care cause I have been researching the Sao Paulo thread and I am about the ask the same type of "Newbie: questions there cause I am thinking about spending a couple of days there next year.
This is off topic, but does anyone know the name and/or singer of that "eh oo" song they always play at help and the termas.
just got back from rio this week. here is a quick report cause eveything has been covered before:
travel: airfrance suck!!!!! food was stale bread and nasty cheese, entertainment system left me with the only choice to watch monsters inc., and cdg airport is a hole, i bought a 5th of absloute and got drunk to keep from killing myself. all in all airfrance is like france only in the air.
apt: rented from kenn always good.
termas:
l'oumos: went twice had a great time girls were cute fell in love with patrica a small girl great service, if you take please be gentle i plan on marrying her one day lol. i don't feel that this place went down at all.
4x4: good time and never really got too busy. tons of girl big booties and lots of tattoos. rode in from the metro station which is an easy walk from my place. other than nothing different here.
helpee: always fun to me. sunday nights are the best not a lot of people and the girls seem more willing to hang out a party instead og going straight tp price mode. only went 5 nights out of the 16 days, some night just sat at the drive barbeque and listen the street kids claiming how the robbed people bunch of bs!!
shenangins: this place is too funny same girl from help in different outfits presenting thenselves as your avrage brazilian girl looking for a good time. lol and people were buying it??? careful in here is saw a lot of girl who looked **** to me. goodtime for a hangout but if you in a bar with mostly gringos and paying more than r3,00 for your beer any girl you meet is not your avrage brazilian girl.
lapa: was dead for some reason but symbol was jumping. tons of chicks here i chatted with a few but my port is still not good enough so it fizzeled quick.
summary: rio was as good as it's ever been. i enjoy it more every year and each year i go to helpee less and hit other spots more, but i still love helpee cause it is such a freak show. i really wanted to do a dupla with the migdet and the girl that is about 6'5".i would be careful about that 6'5 "girl" unless you are absolutely sure. i think it's a "he". i talked to the midget (alexandra) about 4:30am one night. she started at r350! i pointed at my watch and she came down to r300! i didn't feel like negotiating at that time in the morning, so i politely passed.
RioFavelaboy
04-08-07, 11:15
Has anyone visited Via Show?Don I visited Via Show twice once in Nov 06 and once in Dec 06, it's pretty much live entertainment with almost all the music being Brazilian and Brazilian Funk (frankie) hordes of girls dropping it like it's hot, the place is basically like a Small basketball stadium and you don't have any room to walk,I think my girl said it was close to 4000 - 6000 people there.
I went with my Girlfriend her sister, a cpl of her relatives and a buddy of mine, we got like what would be considered a roped off area with some plastic chairs and tables and ordered up drinks that were respectfully priced, we had that spot all to ourselves and just danced in that spot all night, the eye candy is great dude, but it's overly crowded and dark.
I suggest a visit for the experience of it all.
Oh they take your camera and give it back to you at the end of your night, so I taking picks with a camera phone and yes they do have metal detectors.
Enjoy man it's great fun especially if you know potu or take someone with you that speaks portu.
Mr Enternational
04-08-07, 14:41
Has anyone visited Via Show?I would like to be the first to say RTFF, but I will leave that to someone else.
Mr Enternational
04-08-07, 14:49
Outside they are talking 200 & 250. God knows what they are saying inside. But somebody must be paying it for them to even let that come out of their mouths.
Hi Guys,
I am going to Rio in about 4 weeks for the 4th time. Is any one of you currently in Rio and do you know what the current rates are at Help are for a TLN? Last time I was there, the lowest rate was about 150-200 R$ for a full night. I assume prices have come down after carneval, but wonder what they are now.
Dutch44
SlickdySlick
04-08-07, 18:22
Hey Dutch,
I was just there mid march R150 to R200 is still the price. Even though I did a drunk girl for R150 but when she was leaving she hug me and threw the money on my table and walked out. I was feeling like atud til I found out she puke all over my shower and likely left the money cause she felt bad about leaving me a mess to clean up!
Member #4156
04-08-07, 18:30
This is off topic, but does anyone know the name and/or singer of that "eh oo" song they always play at help and the termas.
BM,
What does the beat sound like?
What are some of the lyrics?
If the beat is taken from Mary J. Blige's Family Affair (http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-pop-up/B00005V9DW001002/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_002/002-0141380-0608046) and the chorus sounds something like the following:
As amantes grit eh oh
As solteiras grit eh oh
As fiel gritam eh oh oh oh...
Then the song is called Grito Da Mulherada by MC Koringa. I hope this helped.
Yep Baby is still apparently getting married, she is definitetly not working at Luomo anymore. Ingrid as well has been absent of late from Luomo, apparently she is dating some dude. Ingrid is odds on to be back though. Baby, probably not. Julie, also gone, I hear she is getting married as well. Luomo is hurting now.Ingrid is still working 2 or 3 days a week at Luomo.
Julie has NO plans to get married. She says she doesn't even like the guy. I'll give you one guess as to what it's all about.
Some guys seem to forget what the girls are in this for.
JC
El Austriaco
04-08-07, 22:25
Is it ok to go to Rio between July and Nov? I believe this will be the low season and would wait if it's going to mean a better time, but obviously the sooner the better!
July, August, and September are winter, October and November would be fall. Yes, winter would be the low season, but honestly, I think it is a very good time to go, everything considered (lower prices for everything, and still more than enough garotas to go around). Most of the time I have spent in Rio was during the offseason, and I have only been there once during carnaval, and personally, I like the off-season much better.
Is it still quite easy to have a good time going to Rio by yourself? Nearly all of my holidays have been one or more people, and all mongering trips have been with at least one other person.
The 10+ months I have spent in Rio so far, I have always gone alone (though I sure didn't stay alone for long!). Don't see any reason whatsoever why you would need a group of people to have fun in Rio.
Is it a bit weird being in a terma and wearing a robe? Or is this a must-do thing? I didn't last time, but I do not know whether I will go again, and so do not want to miss out on any must do things!
Never felt weird about having to wear a robe in some termas; if anything, the changing the clothes routine always undescored the special character of the things to come. Just try it out yourself, and if you don't like it, well, there are termas that don't require you to change into a robe, too (like 502). Ultimately, it really depends on you, nobody else.
Is it worthwhile trying an escort in Rio or picking up one of the streetwalkers / beach hookers for some fun in the day?
Again, what is worthwhile for you might not be worth it for others, and vice versa. Read the forum, listen to the pros and cons, compare them to your own mongering style and your own personal preferences, and decide. Basically, I would say just try it out, whether we are talking about escorts or Copa beach girls: the money involved is not all that much, and nobody knows better what you like than yourself. Call a few agencies, see how easily you can communicate with them in English. Have a few drinks in Meia Pataca or at Balcony on different days, check out the selection, and make up your mind whether you like what you see (or hear, in terms of pricing).
Is it worth going to bars/clubs other than help? I do not speak Portugese - during my last trip I picked up a few words, but not enough to hold a proper conversation.
Not really, IMHO, at least not if you're hoping to score. If you just want to experience the flair and the atmosphere, yes, definitely. But if you go to pick up non-pros, well, the only girls that will likely talk to you in English are off-duty pros posing as non-pros. Unless you look like Brad Pitt and have the cash to throw around, too, of course.
All my encounters in Rio were of the one-on-one situation. Are the duplas in Rio a must do? And are there any recommended dupla teams or places(help or termas?)/websites to pickup duplas?
If you like duplas or have always fantasized about one, Rio is the perfect place to do or try it. No, there are no "must-dos" in Rio, just do what YOU like. Any place where you can pick up two girls is fine.
However, if I'm going alone I do not want to pay for hotels and motels. Therefore, if anyone knows of another hotel that is on the beach front and girlfriendly then please let me know.
You might want to reconsider your posture on that, especially when considering doing a dupla. Safety is key in Rio, so don't get cheap on that by saying, "I do not want to pay for hotels AND motels." For duplas, motels are really the only way to go (other than taking the two to your apartment, which I certainly do NOT recommend).
Hope this helps,
EA
keld, that sounds like the beat but they speak english in most of the song.Its not popping up on limewire.
Member #4156
04-09-07, 01:28
Brazilman, not surprised that the song wouldn't come up on limewire. The name of the song may vary between the artist and the bootlegers who sell their cds. I usually find my song by doing a quick google search with an excerpt of the lyrics along with the word leituras and then bam, I usually find what I'm looking for. From there I could take that information and do a more accurate search for the song elsewhere.
Okay now here we go. I Don't recall hearing a version with mostly ingles throughout the song but I uploaded the one I was talking about. Let me know if this is the right one. Hope this helped.
Grito da Mulherada (http://www.sendspace.com/file/x3m5bk) 2:19
Wandering Fool
04-09-07, 02:06
So I just did a few more days in Rio at the end of my Brazil vacation to various cities. I was going there 2 and 3 years ago and this was my return.
Overall observations:
The girls, pro and non pro seem to have added a few pounds IMHO. No fatties but some thickness around the waists in a where I seem to remember more tight stomachs in the past. Noticed this both in the pro joints like termas and help as well as non pro beach of Ipanema post 9 where the locals hang.
The Termas scene has gone downhill a bit at the high end. Nothing to panic about, this is probably cyclical, but with the downfall of Centaurs (a shadow of it's former self) there is no place taking up the slack of supplying 8's and 9's. Ok, each place may have a few high enders but not the way Centarus used to be. My opinion.
Help and the girls outside are about the same.
4x4 looked good to me. Will be my new mainstay. Big ass girls run wild, but some thin magros as well.
Solarium: never liked this place as much as others on this board and I was less impressed this time. Only 1 girl in the joint I could find, Mille. She was hot both physical and attitude with me but if she hadn't been there it would have been a total waste of time for me.
T65: didn't session there based on many people telling me it had gone way downhill. Met girls at Solarium and 4x4 who had left there and said it was downhill as well.
Didn't get to Luomo and Monte Carlo's but never loved them in the past.
Had my most fun on this trip at 4x4 and the street outside Help. Ended up taking 3 different girls off the street on different nights, two of them for r150, one experienced girl who wouldn't budge at r300. These are basically help girls who hadn't gone inside yet. The were all pretty, great bodies and good in bed. I pick the street girls because they usually have one or two qualities I'm interested in experiencing -maybe a real thin girl with super tight body, maybe a girl who looks a bit nasty and emits pure sex - in other words, girls I wouldn't date but would want to bang. In contrast, a high end termas girl might have a more overall beauty and, at least physically, be a girl I'd want for a girlfriend...but I never take it that far of course.
Being my 5th trip, I've evidently graduated to the point of experience (and with the language) that the girls forget the whole "rope in the gringo" act with me and talk openly about the gringo boyfriends they have. The majority of the ones I was with told me they have at least 1 guy back home sending money, thinking she's not working, getting ready to bring her abroad (or some variation). Keep that in mind guys!
it looks like we have a remake. The song at the termas is sung by a girl.Its mainly in english.I guess she remade the song and made it sound a hell of alot better than that shit.Do you think you can find the one in english.i typed it into google and got all portuguese hits.I cant read it. Im surprised your not aware of the one in english.Its played everywhere.I never heard your version played out there.
Centauraus went down because of mgmt. I quit going a year ago.I imagine others felt the same way. The girls saw that there weren't as many guys and they bounced. The last time I was there, the girls said it was slower than the old days.does the ***** from the front desk still work there. Ms teep! teep please.
Prices at help are definetely higher than 150 if you are planning on taking a gorgeous girl (if you are not, then why even come to Rio, there are plenty of dogs where we are all from). I am friends with a lot of help girls now, and speak porto, so I'll tell you what I hear from the GDPs regarding the prices they are getting. One girl is getting 850 reals per day for 4 nights (! ) from a dude staying at copacabana palace as I am writing this. I think any girl can be had for 300 (but then why not just go to a terma? ), but depending on time of the night, blood alcohol and your age they will go down to 100-150. I would say an average price would be 200 reals by judging how much my friends ended up paying, but when I ask the girls I hang out with, they are claiming 300 is the average price nowadays. Hope this helps.
Also, any guy who is sending the girl money to live a normal life is being very naive unless the girl actually moved out of Rio to live with her family in another city. Like the previous poster mentioned most of these girls have at least 1 sponsor in another country. I am pretty close to 6-7 help girls right now and only 1 of them doesnt have a sponsor and thats because she just started working. But I think the guy who is paying her 850 per day right now is on the accelerated track to becoming a sponsor when he leaves. Needless to mention they are all still working. They don't know any other life, all they know is drugs, nightclubs with rich gringos in them and sex. How can they possible adopt to life in another country, where we live and work, and where every day is not a vacation at the beach? But then again, if you have tons of money and want the illusion of a girlfriend waiting for you in Brazil when you return, why not? She will definetely create that illusion, and maybe even get a tattoo with you name on it. Just my 2 centavos
Aybolit
im always amazed that guys will send money to a chick that they are not even banging at the time..Why not save your money ,and when you get to rio again, you can spoil them.STUPID! "There is a sucker born again every minute"
Wandering Fool
04-09-07, 05:38
I agree, the good looking girls at Help generally as a matter of principal don't want to budge from r300. Maybe if I did the walk away thing and was willing to wait them out they'd budge to r250 or r200 by the end of the night but as a matter of ego I've also seen girls go home alone after being approached all night when they didn't get their price. I was suprised one of the girls outside Help (who also works inside) was willing to do r150 (she started at r200) because she was hotter than any of the girls I had seen inside Help that night (I had gone to Help for a while, then left for a different club then returned later and grabbed this girl from Terrao Atlantic).
Papi Que Rico
04-09-07, 06:11
Please tello me this is at least for TLN. At 2.03 R to a $ these are NY prices if only for an hour.
I've been hanging out with three friends that all work at one of the better strip clubs in Copacabana. They live together in a big fancy apartment. Flatscreen, DVD-player, stereos, brand new laptops, new cell phones, digicams and even 2 imported dogs. Everything is gifts! All three of them have been travelling a lot to US and Europe for holidays.
How come this good life? One of them has one sugar daddy and the other two has two sugar daddy's each. They keep in touch with their boyfriends by webcams every day. They tell their boyfriends how much they love them, miss them, that they don't work any more and that they are staying at home all evenings studying.
Every evening they are heading out. To the strip club, baile funk or discos (never to Help). Only one of the girls has stopped working as her sugar daddy's (who is dirt rich) sends her so much money, but she still fucks around... for free :)
I don't feel sorry for these naive fools sending their money. It's just amazing.
to all the guys that are sending money to brazil- go to this site its cheaper www.sugardaddie.com I thought about joining, but then i forgot what kind of car i can afford, after spending all my money in brazil! remember,There are 3 fairy tales in life: marriage,god and that your 21yo brazilian girlfriend is going to stop hooking because you send her money.LOL
Exec Talent
04-09-07, 14:22
is how much you worry about what another man does with his money. Seems some of you are more than a little preoccupied. We all have seen these girls in internet cafes. This is not new news. What you consider a lot of money to some people, is not.
Also, I would not be so quick to assume that the guys sending the money, furnishing them an apartment or buying them things do not know what is going on. Many of them are married (don't tell the girls that) or have several girlfriends elsewhere. I have heard countless stories from the girls about them getting emotionally involved with someone only to find out much later that the guy was either married or has a serious girlfriend. It works both ways. There are girls who care deeply about a man even though they are still "working." Some of you spend a lot of time hanging out with hard-core pros who lost any sense of feeling long ago (if they ever had any).
I believe the current prices @ HELP has not risen much over the past 5 years that I have been coming to Rio. The major difference is R$150 today is roughly worth R$225 from around 3 years ago when the exchange rate was 3 to 1.
So someone that said no way to paying $R300 back then did not get a bargain if he only paid $R200 last night.
The other night I took home an "outside HELP" girl . . . actually she sorta chose me. She opened with $R300 for an hour, I negotiated down to $R200 for two hours. I took her to my apartment and had two solid hours of fun. She was very sweet but everything was covered. I was done by 2:15am. Did I overpay? Maybe - but the session was exactly what I needed with someone that I was very attracted to. IMO, I did OK. Would it have been nice to get her until morning? Sure! but it is not a deal breaker for me. I was happy just to have her hold up her end of the bargain without DRAMA.
In comparison, I had some fairly great terma sessions at Monte Carlo, 4x4 and Cancun. After paying for admission & cabine fees, the totals were $R160-190 (40mins @ 4x4) $R180-210 (60mins @ 4x4) $R230-R250 (40mins @ Monte Carlo & Cancun) so they were all pricier than my HELP girl.
From the recent posts, I am guessing people are paying $R150-R200 for TLN. But what do you consider TLN? I am in my 40's and I don't want to get drunk and party all night anymore. Just getting my rocks off with a girl who acts like she is enjoying f*cking me is alright by me. I don't want to wait til 3/4 am for prices to come down. I don't want to go home tired and drunk and have to take the little blue pill to perform anymore. I don't feel like hearing "I have to get home early to watch my baby" and have the girl leave at 7am.
Of course there are exceptions but I have not been lucky enough to find them lately. One of my past favoritas used to spend 12-16 hours with me for $R150. Alas she can not be found anymore, dropped out of the game.
Hi guys, (Almotu, Aybolit, SlickdySlick, Mr Enternational and all others)
Thanks for sending me your input on the HELP prices. I got some interesting responses. Please find my response below to Almotu's message:
I believe the current prices @ HELP has not risen much over the past 5 years that I have been coming to Rio. The major difference is R$150 today is roughly worth R$225 from around 3 years ago when the exchange rate was 3 to 1.
For you and me, compared to the US$ and Euro you are right. However I usually compare pricing for working girls (GDPs) with the local average monthly salary, so it better reflects the "local value". Since the average monthly salary of somebody who works in a Rio store/supermarket etc. is perhaps about 350-450 R$ I think spending that on a single girl in a single night must therefore be "wrong".
Anything between 1/5 and 1/2 of that I would consider sort of "acceptable", depending on the girl and services rendered. Actually if you think about it, a brasilian GDP can make more money (relatively speaking that is) than a german girl working in an FKK or sauna club. Those girls typically make 300-500 euro per day, which is perhaps 25-40% of the monthly wages somebody gets in a shop in Germany. A girl working in Help can, with a little luck, make an average month salary in a single day. Of course the only way she can get that, is from "Gringos" who are dumm enough to spend that much money on her. No Brasilian would ever spend that. Believe me, I asked them! In that sense, IMO Brazilian Termas are comparatively speaking, VERY expensive. FKK's around the Düsseldorf, Köln area. which are very nice BTW, typically cost 50-60 Euro to get in. You can stay ALL day and get free drinks and food. Ladies are 50 Euro per 30 min. or sometimes 75 euro per 60 min. With a little luck she will even be Brazilian! However, I still prefer Rio though. It is like with a house: "location, location, location!". There is no place like Rio.
From the recent posts, I am guessing people are paying $R150-R200 for TLN. But what do you consider TLN? I am in my 40's and I don't want to get drunk and party all night anymore. Just getting my rocks off with a girl who acts like she is enjoying f*cking me is alright by me. I don't want to wait til 3/4 am for prices to come down. I don't want to go home tired and drunk and have to take the little blue pill to perform anymore. I don't feel like hearing "I have to get home early to watch my baby" and have the girl leave at 7am. Almotu, I am in my 40's too, but once I have discovered a nice "pearl", I do like to be with her all night and wake up with her still there. So for me it depends on the lady. I love to wake up with that smoking hot, dark skinned sweety pressed against my body or better, have her wake me up with a nice BBBJ. But maybe I am being too romantic here.
I think paying R$150-200 for two hours on a HELP girl is OK, but I have had GDPs from Escort Services for just 120 R$ (including taxi) for two hours. The advantage of HELP of course is that you can pick and choose them and talk to them before you decide. Anyway, I can see HELP pricing has not changed. I did get a little nervous when I heard about the pricing during carnival. I guess they always come down after.
Thanks guys, for your response.
Dutch44
ET, your logic is flawed.You can still have a relationship with these girls w/o sending money everymonth.Talk on the phone once in a while but dont send money.You can have girlfriends all over the world but they will still be there when you arrive.as long as you ARRIVE with money.not before!
SlickdySlick
04-09-07, 20:03
I really think its the way you approach it at the beinging on the night. I normally hit the Terma during the day so that when I get to Help some chick is basically going to have to talk me into taking her home. I stick to my R150 - R200 price and normally get a girl I find attractive. She not the hottest chick in the place, but if we are having a good time she does have to be. IMHO when you approach a hot chick and she wont move from R300 - R400 two things are likely true:
1. She doesn't want to go with you so the experiance will suck or...
2. She has a bad attitude and is stuck up and the experiance will suck.
A couple times I have paid R300 cause I thought the chick was so hot and regretted it everytime. Now I can't tell you how many times I ran into some chick on the street while eatting at the roach van that knocked my socks off for R150!
If I feel the need to do a chick that is just super hot I go to the terma for that.
I have heard countless stories from the girls about them getting emotionally involved with someone only to find out much later that the guy was either married or has a serious girlfriend. It works both ways. There are girls who care deeply about a man even though they are still "working." Some of you spend a lot of time hanging out with hard-core pros who lost any sense of feeling long ago (if they ever had any).I do agree.
EA point it really well. Before writing about the brazilian hooker you should learn about the brazilian woman.
They can cheat, turn tricks, lie to you, but somehow they are still looking for the Big Luv. Why is the word "apaixonar" is so important in Brazil?
ET, your logic is flawed.You can still have a relationship with these girls w/o sending money everymonth.Talk on the phone once in a while but dont send money.You can have girlfriends all over the world but they will still be there when you arrive.as long as you ARRIVE with money.not before!
Absolutely. Brasilian girls are capable of amzing passion, physically and emotionally, but they would also like to be rather better off financially. So unless you plan to simply be a charity and not care about your own involvement, only shell out when you have some reasonable control over the situation.
The magic words I quite like are, 'For you, I no charge next time". When a girl starts committing by not accepting money, I'm inclined to be more generous, emotionally and with bucks. But the same rules still apply. Act like a business proposition and you will get treated like one.
Wandering Fool
04-09-07, 23:36
The hottest girls were also asking r300 3 years ago (some would even start higher but r300 was always their lowest price) so they haven't changed.
However during Carnival they all try to raise their prices. To show how stubborn they can be I had one girl (2 years ago) in December agree to 300r. We had a great night and although she left town the next day, had her friend at Help tell me she said to say "hi". My next trip to Rio was Carnival a few months later. She would not leave for less than r400 even though I had paid her r300 2 months earlier. Many guys walked up to her, as did I several times as the night progressed to see if she had changed her mind. No dice, and when the club closed I saw her leave empty handed. The prettier girls don't need to work every night and would rather stay firm at their prices so as not to set a precedent.
Two of the girls I negotiated with on this trip began to really get insulted when I stayed firm below r300. Even though I kept it light on my end, joking around with them about the price, they really began to get insulted after a while that I wouldn't agree to r300 -these were hotties who seemingly always get their price (or more) and to whom it was unthinkable to leave with a guy below that. Many years of being spoiled by gringos. Unfortunately, on both occassions they were the only girls I really wanted to leave with so I eventually caved on the price. Neither were TLN, just a few unrushed hours. Both performed very well. One said for r400 she'd do TLN on another night but on principle I would never pay more than r300 to a girl so I didn't bite.
In all fairness, one of these girls was a bit pissed because I had met her at the beach late afternoon and told her I'd be back in 2 hours. I went to 4x4 in centro and banged 2 girls back to back, closed the place and shared a cab back with one girl I had been with, and she left lipstick on my lips. Making a girl wait 5 hours and showing up with lipstick on your face, even with a pro, can really get things off to a bad start, as I learned, LOL.
This is off topic, but does anyone know the name and/or singer of that "eh oo" song they always play at help and the termas.Brazilman
The song is - Hey oh by Tragedie
I have the mp3 of the song if you want it.
Question fellow travelers
I was in Rio Last year where I saw a hot chick in help. Gave her 250 reals for the night and had a great time. We hung out the following day and went at it again that following afternoon with her. Not having to pay her anything extra. I bang her one more time before I left to head back to the states three days later giving her 200 reals, for the nice time. I gave her my number and she calls me from time to time asking me when I will be back, and that she misses me so much. We had great time with each other but she acts that I am very special to her. My question is, is this all a game? Will she try and jack up the price when I return later this year or try and steal my time away from Help or the termas? I know Brazilian women can be possessive. I never bring up money upon my return, but I feel that she might try and force her hand on me when I come back to Rio.
El Austriaco
04-10-07, 01:32
What amazes me is how much you worry about what another man does with his money. Seems some of you are more than a little preoccupied (...) What you consider a lot of money to some people, is not.
Basically, I agree, there are huge differences among mongers in terms of disposable income, so the threshold of pain beyond which a loss of cash really starts to hurt is definitely very relative for all of us. But other than the fact that, of course, sharing current prices on P4P services is clearly one of the main benefits of this board, there is a whole other aspect to the money issue here, at least for me.
It's respect.
And regardless of how much money someone has and is willing to lose without blinking an eye, I think nobody likes to get disrespected. Especially when they are actually very generous with their money to those who claim to be in need.
And who likes to be used, or lied to?
And that's why I, among many others, keep posting against overpaying. Not because I am trying to tell anyone what to do with their money, no. I couldn't care less if someone in Bill Gates' tax bracket loses a cool million between the sofa pillows. But just to tell people that, if they think, even for a moment, that being overly generous with a hooker is going to earn them her respect, they are in for a big, big surprise. It won't. It never has, and never will.
Want to sponsor a hooker? Wanna play Captain-save-a-ho? Go ahead, if it makes you feel good. Just don't expect any gratitude in return. Because that money can buy a lot of things... respect not being one of them.
That's why I tell mongers that wanna feel like the latest reincarnation of Mother Theresa or whatever not: don't give the money to a Copa hooker. You want to do your share to fight poverty, want to make sure some poor kids get clothing, food, and education? There are tons of charitable organizations out there, if you are so inclined. Sponsor a kid. I guarantee you, this money will be way better spent than freely giving it to a single-Mom Copacabana hooker.
So why would people buy their hooker girls cars, apartments, gadgets, whatever not? I guess it's because, after all, we all like to believe in the good in most people. That there actually is a hooker with a gold heart, a modern-day Violetta Valéry. That some of them really like and appreciate us. That the "love" (actually, misinterpreted "lust") is actually real. That it, actually, is not only possible to take the girl out of the street (or the terma, or the café on the Copa pista), but also take the favela streets out of the girl.
I guess there are more romantics out there than I thought.
Personally, I have searched long and hard for that one elusive exception. I am still looking.
EA
P.S: While this post is inspired by Exec Talent's words quoted above, my musings aren't really directed at anyone specifically, least of all at ET, whose opinions I value greatly.
is how much you worry about what another man does with his money. Seems some of you are more than a little preoccupied. We all have seen these girls in internet cafes. This is not new news. What you consider a lot of money to some people, is not.
Also, I would not be so quick to assume that the guys sending the money, furnishing them an apartment or buying them things do not know what is going on. Many of them are married (don't tell the girls that) or have several girlfriends elsewhere. I have heard countless stories from the girls about them getting emotionally involved with someone only to find out much later that the guy was either married or has a serious girlfriend. It works both ways. There are girls who care deeply about a man even though they are still "working." Some of you spend a lot of time hanging out with hard-core pros who lost any sense of feeling long ago (if they ever had any)."Deep feelings" my ass. You want to see how DEEP those FEELINGS run? Quit paying her! God, how fucking dumb. Yeah, it's their money and they're welcome to spend it any way they want, but you're still BUYING a woman! I'll issue a challenge to anyone paying a girl who works this way right now. Stop giving her money. EVER. And see how much time she has for you.
Let me know how your Walt Disney dreams turn out.
SlickdySlick
04-10-07, 03:49
Agreed EA,
The more you give them the more spoiled brats they are. And the less they respect you. Pay a fair price (by Brazilian Standards) and treat them nice and you are already ahead of 90% of guys in the world. Anymore than that and you are just setting yourself up to be a fool.
The bad thing about it alot of these girls are not even like that but when guys just throw money at them they become like that its like a drug. Send me $1,000 USD month and the next say you only got $500 to send cause something happen she is going to be dissappointed why? cause you got her use to getting $1,000 anything less is a disappointment.
But Like ET said it is their money just don't be mad when people like me try to get your girl to do TLN for R100 cause she is being funded anyways.
Wandering Fool
04-10-07, 03:57
Want to sponsor a hooker? Wanna play Captain-save-a-ho? Go ahead, if it makes you feel good. Just don't expect any gratitude in return. Because that money can buy a lot of things... respect not being one of them.
...You want to do your share to fight poverty, want to make sure some poor kids get clothing, food, and education? There are tons of charitable organizations out there, if you are so inclined. Sponsor a kid. I guarantee you, this money will be way better spent than freely giving it to a single-Mom Copacabana hooker.
So why would people buy their hooker girls cars, apartments, gadgets, whatever not? I guess it's because, after all, we all like to believe in the good in most people. That there actually is a hooker with a gold heart, a modern-day Violetta Valéry. That some of them really like and appreciate us. That the "love" (actually, misinterpreted "lust") is actually real.
I guess there are more romantics out there than I thought.
Personally, I have searched long and hard for that one elusive exception. I am still looking.
EA
I agree with this. I also think it's people getting carried away with the fantasy and making it into something in their mind that it isn't. I think it's a tempting alternative for some guys to loneliness or being dissed by girls with half their looks back in the US. It's a feeling of power for others. I also think there are a LOT more guys who get hurt by this than GDP's.
In my early trips I also searched for the one elusive exception. I now have completely given that up. I spend a portion of my trips meeting non pro's waaaaay far away from Copa and then enjoy the GDP's for what they are, what they provide. I treat them well, appreciate that they are there, have my fun and then leave the amusement park. Meeting non pros helps keep things very much in perspective because it doesn't allow the fantasy world of gdp's to become the only thing I experience on my trips.
One thing we don't realize and that a Carioca friend tried to explain is that, you know how in the US we can all readily identify the trashy chics, the ho's? Well, in Rio the locals can readily identify the GDP's as well, but we can't because we're not tuned in to that culture. We parade around with those girls in the local restaurants and streets and it's the equal of some Japanese tourist walking into The Palm in NYC with some white trash trailerpark ho. Everyone else can see it but he can't because to him she's the blond all american girl. Now the Japanese dude returns home and stays in touch with his white trash ho, sends her money, she plays him, all of us in the US wonder what the hell that guy is thinking but he doesn't know the difference. That's us in Brazil!
Mr Enternational
04-10-07, 04:35
That reminds me of a night a couple of years back when I was in Help. There was a first-timer from Miami. He was ballin out. Champagne, cigars, the works. Then I guess he caught on and, as Wandering Fool said, saw it for what it really was. The next night he was low key and drinking Skol.
And that's why I, among many others, keep posting against overpaying. But just to tell people that, if they think, even for a moment, that being overly generous with a hooker is going to earn them her respect, they are in for a big, big surprise. It won't. It never has, and never will.
EA
Pipe Layer99
04-10-07, 07:19
Want to sponsor a hooker? Wanna play Captain-save-a-ho? Go ahead, if it makes you feel good. Just don't expect any gratitude in return. Because that money can buy a lot of things... respect not being one of them.
EA
That was another good line - Capt save a ho. Dude you crack me up. That was funny as hell.
I agree with this. I also think it's people getting carried away with the fantasy and making it into something in their mind that it isn't. I think it's a tempting alternative for some guys to loneliness or being dissed by girls with half their looks back in the US. It's a feeling of power for others. I also think there are a LOT more guys who get hurt by this than GDP's.
In my early trips I also searched for the one elusive exception. I now have completely given that up. I spend a portion of my trips meeting non pro's waaaaay far away from Copa and then enjoy the GDP's for what they are, what they provide. I treat them well, appreciate that they are there, have my fun and then leave the amusement park. Meeting non pros helps keep things very much in perspective because it doesn't allow the fantasy world of gdp's to become the only thing I experience on my trips.
One thing we don't realize and that a Carioca friend tried to explain is that, you know how in the US we can all readily identify the trashy chics, the ho's? Well, in Rio the locals can readily identify the GDP's as well, but we can't because we're not tuned in to that culture. We parade around with those girls in the local restaurants and streets and it's the equal of some Japanese tourist walking into The Palm in NYC with some white trash trailerpark ho. Everyone else can see it but he can't because to him she's the blond all american girl. Now the Japanese dude returns home and stays in touch with his white trash ho, sends her money, she plays him, all of us in the US wonder what the hell that guy is thinking but he doesn't know the difference. That's us in Brazil!Awesome post.
Todays exchange rate hit a new low of $1 to $R2.0188. What are the current exchanging rates at the Cambio's, ATM's and Help?
Sprite13 predicts a $R1.70 rate in the next 4 months on the General info board.
I'm awaiting his reply on where he obtained that figure. But by this weeks end the dollar may be worth less than $R2. :(
We had great time with each other but she acts that I am very special to her. My question is, is this all a game? Will she try and jack up the price when I return later this year or try and steal my time away from Help or the termas? I know Brazilian women can be possessive. I never bring up money upon my return, but I feel that she might try and force her hand on me when I come back to Rio.
Of course you are very special to her, Dude. So are all her other non-psycho well-heeled customers. Just cos it's business doesn't mean she doesn't want to see you or won't treat you 'special' while you are there. If she's good at her job, why shouldn't she?
Whether it's a good deal for you is more questionable . . .
I do think we tend, on this board, to stereotype the garotas. There are many broad guidelines, but it's pretty hard to say how an individual hooker will act. There's several well-established scenarios (outlined by experienced fellow mongers on this thread). As long as you are aware of them, both of you can 'play the game'.
I admit I look forward to seeing several garotas each time I go back. Either as friends or for carnal fun or for both. Occasionally one asks if I can take her back to my country and I gently re-affirm that no, that is not possible and is not going to happen. I much prefer to treat everyone as an equal. We all play games. There's no harm in having unspoken agreements about them. I don't see it as a battle.
If you're the type of monger who considers the P4P garotas in Rio as pieces of meat, trash, etc, I don't really want to hang out with you.
Having said that, I don't make an idiot of myself by parading some hooker-chica half my age in my local upmarket restaurant. One way of recognising the non-pro is if she has a respectable job (eg schoolteacher). The ones that do will assert their identity intellectually, not just spin you a story.
There's a time and a place.
Wandering Fool
04-10-07, 16:59
Question fellow travelers
I was in Rio Last year where I saw a hot chick in help. Gave her 250 reals for the night and had a great time. We hung out the following day and went at it again that following afternoon with her. Not having to pay her anything extra. I bang her one more time before I left to head back to the states three days later giving her 200 reals, for the nice time. I gave her my number and she calls me from time to time asking me when I will be back, and that she misses me so much. We had great time with each other but she acts that I am very special to her. My question is, is this all a game? Will she try and jack up the price when I return later this year or try and steal my time away from Help or the termas? I know Brazilian women can be possessive. I never bring up money upon my return, but I feel that she might try and force her hand on me when I come back to Rio.
She probably will not jack up the price, in fact you can probably get her to give you freebies, but most likely you'll have to take her shopping, eating and this will end up costing you more in the long run.
She will almost certainly expect you to be "faithful" while she continues to work which means you'll have to sneak to the termas and then she'll suspect you're at Help and go there and bust you.
This happened to me. I stayed in touch with this girl between trips and when I returned she expected loyalty, while she worked at the termas, lol. I quickly explained to her that I while I liked her, I did not intend to be only with her. She got a bit pissed but then we screwed anyway. These girls are looking for sucker gringo's who don't know the game. If you nicely let them know you're not one of them, they'll respect you more, enjoy being with you when you're with them and won't expect loyalty. You can certainly continue a friendship with these girls but now it's more real because they're not trying to play you.
Your post is right on the money!
BootyTapper
04-11-07, 03:03
Whats Up fellas! I been on and off the board, but have to drop in often to see what is stirring up talk with the fellas. I see this topic is a hot one so I had to jump in because I have had some experience on both sides of the fence here. So straight to the point... Do I believe in sponsoring a GDP? HELL NO!!
The fact that we are discussing this topic only proves that some of us forget why we go to Rio and now want to change the rules of the game because of feelings. It does not matter if you have Bill Gates cash or no cash, to me the practice is wrong, Money cannot buy you love! When you give a GDP cash, make sure its for her services, after you have enjoyed them. These women are pros, when they see that they can get cash from you without putting out, it changes the rules of the game for the worst. I agree with a previous post, if you are sending a GDP cash now, stop sending her cash, and see how much attention you get now and when you return to Rio. I am not saying don't have a heart, but along with having a heart please use your brain!
BootyTapper
04-11-07, 03:09
That reminds me of a night a couple of years back when I was in Help. There was a first-timer from Miami. He was ballin out. Champagne, cigars, the works. Then I guess he caught on and, as Wandering Fool said, saw it for what it really was. The next night he was low key and drinking Skol.Mr Enternational this is so true. When my boy and I are in Help, we love to stand right by the bathroom, close to the booth downstairs, and watch new mongers throw out cash ballin! Its funny because many times we went home with the GDPs who were enjoying those perks with just a wink, talk, or a bottle of water. LOL
Stucke,
Is your version the female version. I searched it on you tube, and found it, but its another version of the song. The tragedie version is sung by men. The version I want is sung by a chick. I cant believe how many remakes they have of this song. I will be in Brazil in a few weeks, so I will find out who sings the better version if you dont have it.
Hi guys,
You guys have never failed me the wealth of information on this has gotten me many a fun nights and days in Rio. I have a good friend she's female and Bi she's hooked. Showed her some of my photos she's coming to get some of that brasilian ass as she says on my next trip with me. She wants to go to 4x4 do they allow women in there if anyone knows.
Thanks guys
Hi guys,
You guys have never failed me the wealth of information on this has gotten me many a fun nights and days in Rio. I have a good friend she's female and Bi she's hooked. Showed her some of my photos she's coming to get some of that brasilian ass as she says on my next trip with me. She wants to go to 4x4 do they allow women in there if anyone knows.
Thanks guys4x4 does not allow women, officially. Only downstairs in the whiskeria. Luomo will allow women in with a male companion--that goes for the cabine as well. Make sure she brings I.D. to prove that she is NOT Brazilian.
Hi guys,
You guys have never failed me the wealth of information on this has gotten me many a fun nights and days in Rio. I have a good friend she's female and Bi she's hooked. Showed her some of my photos she's coming to get some of that brasilian ass as she says on my next trip with me. She wants to go to 4x4 do they allow women in there if anyone knows.
Thanks guysNever seen a women wearing a robe at 4x4. Only at L'oumo's.
you have balls bringing chicks to 4x4.every guy in there is going to grab her ass.bring her to a smaller place.
Exec Talent
04-12-07, 00:29
Hi guys,
You guys have never failed me the wealth of information on this has gotten me many a fun nights and days in Rio. I have a good friend she's female and Bi she's hooked. Showed her some of my photos she's coming to get some of that brasilian ass as she says on my next trip with me. She wants to go to 4x4 do they allow women in there if anyone knows.
Thanks guys
I asked this question a little while back (Jan 07). I went with a female friend to VM30 in centro, but she did not like it. Since then, I found out that the NS #583 203, 204 will allow women. There were looks, but no ass grabbing.
Also, did a threesome with a girl who used to work at 203. Outstanding.
4x4 does not allow women, officially. Only downstairs in the whiskeria. Luomo will allow women in with a male companion--that goes for the cabine as well. Make sure she brings I.D. to prove that she is NOT Brazilian.
Why non-working Brasilian girls are not allowed in a terma? :D
Why non-working Brasilian girls are not allowed in a terma? :DNope. I guess they assume that ALL Brasilian girls are working girls ;) They don't want independents coming in and passing out contact info--thus robbing them of business.
Last night was great, met up with the Oslo connection, aka the Bling Bling Boys, it was great. I pride myself on trying not to make eye contact with too many GDP's, but it's hard. Although I don't do drugs, I can see myself getting addicted to all that bunda! Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
I'll probably hit the office (MP) in a few hours for a little liquid refreshment, and then decide where to go. I may go to Villa Mimosa, I'll probably end up at Help. One more hour until my little morena arrives. I'll besure to take my spinach today.
I'm also being stalked by Janie aka Betty Boop, she's everywhere I go.
I like big butts and I cannot lie.
Ryjer
Whats going on with the real? Is the economy in Brazil flying high? Don't tell me Brazil is a couple years away from turning into Japan. Japan went from a 3rd world country to the most expensive place in the world next to Moscow.
Pipe Layer99
04-13-07, 11:16
How are the nappy headed ho's doing at Rio right now. As a white guy, let me be the first one to say ignore the quoted msg above. Its obvious that guy is just trying to get folks upset. If we 'ALL' ignore him, he will get the message loud and clear.
Donnie D
Greetings everyone,
Joe Francis has stepped over the line once to many times, and thus I have erased everything that he's ever posted in the forum and every mention of him by other forum members, and I have terminated his membership.
Nevertheless, he will return, and thus everyone needs to be vigilant and report any racist remarks as soon as they are posted.
I appreciate everyone's patience.
Thanks,
Jackson
El Austriaco
04-13-07, 22:34
Hey Jackson,
You've been in a banning mood lately, any way you can get rid of this guy so that we don't have to read his idiotic postings anymore? Or maybe at least confine him to the Nibu thread?
Good call, Jackson. Much better to simply delete his incoherent ramblings. Wouldn't be fair to Nibu, either. As a matter of fact, I have been hanging out with Nibu the past couple of days here in Mexico. Pretty interesting guy, actually :)
EA
Member #4156
04-13-07, 23:36
It's amazing how this coward puffs his chest out over the internet, all the while in the comfort of his own home.
Need I say more. Just got back from the office (MP), going to meet the Oslo Connection aka the Bling Bling Boys for dinner, then off to graze in the fields.
A young bull says to his dad, "hey dad, let's run out into the fields and fuck one of those cows. " The dad says, no son, let's walk over, and fuck 'em all. " The son replies, "are you serious, this ain't Rio
CHOPP CHOPP CHOPP CHOPP
A special shout out to the Bling Bling Boys of Oslo, it's going down tonight.
Sorry guys, I just can't tear myself away from the office. Although I'm only working about 6 hours a day, I'm tired as hell. Probably going to Help tonight. Pretty buzzed so I'm hanging out with my wang out.
Bling Bling,
Ryjerrob
It is ironic that this guy's choice of 'heroes' are both 'outta here'! Joe Francis, the founder of "Girls Gone Wild" just got arrested and Imus, the originator of the 'nappy . . .' comment just got fired by CBS and MSNBC.
Well said. You hit the nail on the head. . Fellas do not sponsor. Save that money to make return trips and....."Do what you do" with the garotas while on vacation/holiday. Thats it. "Even if you have Bill Gates money".........ha ha! I love that one.
Exec Talent
04-14-07, 05:57
Greetings everyone,
Joe Francis has stepped over the line once to many times, and thus I have erased everything that he's ever posted in the forum and every mention of him by other forum members, and I have terminated his membership.
Nevertheless, he will return, and thus everyone needs to be vigilant and report any racist remarks as soon as they are posted.
I appreciate everyone's patience.
Thanks,
Jackson
There is fact, there is fiction and then there is hate mongering.
Wandering Fool
04-15-07, 05:05
Need I say more. Just got back from the office (MP), going to meet the Oslo Connection aka the Bling Bling Boys for dinner, then off to graze in the fields.
A young bull says to his dad, "hey dad, let's run out into the fields and fuck one of those cows. " The dad says, no son, let's walk over, and fuck 'em all. " The son replies, "are you serious, this ain't Rio
CHOPP CHOPP CHOPP CHOPP
A special shout out to the Bling Bling Boys of Oslo, it's going down tonight.
Sorry guys, I just can't tear myself away from the office. Although I'm only working about 6 hours a day, I'm tired as hell. Probably going to Help tonight. Pretty buzzed so I'm hanging out with my wang out.
Bling Bling,
Ryjerrob
So, do you have anything of substance to report to us?
That is a very good question, since I doubt anyone has any interest in the bling, bling boys. Yes, Ryjerrob you do need to say more. Being that you are in Rio now we expect a little more.
RR
An update on casas in Centro. Some new ones, a lot of old ones and some that have closed.
I rated them A, B and C. A being over average, B being average and C under average. This rating is based on my experience only, in March 2007. In these casas the number of girls and the standard can change very quickly.
Cabin:
A= Clean cabin, big bed, new sheets, A/C and shower possibility.
B= Decent cabin, small bed, A/C or ventilador.
C= Fast-sex-cabin, simple, dirty, smelly and noisy. No showers.
Service:
A= Receives visitors in a very nice and discreet way, girls presenting themselves in pleasant way, girls doing their best in the sex-act. Allows multiple pops.
B= Receives you fairly well. Girls giving a good service.
C= Girls lined up. Girls might be ignorant or having a bad attitude. Take a pick, fuck and leave.
Standard (on the girls):
A= Better than average, sometimes with some stunners. A very good chance of finding a nice girl.
B= Average standard. Might find something you’ll like.
C= Low end. Majority ugly with few exceptions. Go there without any expectations at all. Note: Sometimes there are gems to be found.
Number:
The number of girls available. This number depends on the day of the week and the time you go there. This number is based on my visits.
Rec (recommendations):
Some personal recommendations of girls working the casas.
All places mentioned, except VM, are in walking distance from Metro station Uruguaina or Carioca.
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* Avenida Rio Branco 156, Edificio Central:
- Apto 3330: Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=8
R$ 65/40 min, R$ 85/60 min
Rec: Paola=22 y, big tits.
Rec: Graciella=23 y, sweet mulatta.
Rec: Luisa=19 y, big tits.
- Apto 3320: Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=8
R$ 85/40 min, R$ 100/60 min
Rec: Alessandra=20 y, very sweet.
- Apto 2328: Closed
- Apto 2240: Mentioned on ISG, doesn’t exist.
- Apto 2114: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=6
R$ 65/30 min, R$ 85/60 min, R$ 95/dupla 30 min, R$ 125/dupla 60 min
- Apto 1833: Mentioned on ISG, doesn’t exist.
- Apto 1825: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=8
R$ 60/30 min, R$ 80/60 min, R$ 80/dupla 30 min, R$ 100/dupla 60 min
- Apto 1706: Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=8
R$ 65/40 min, R$ 85/60 min, R$ 95/dupla 40 min
Rec: Rafaela=18 y, beautiful, slim.
Rec: Julia=19 y, beautiful, slim.
- Apto 506: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=4
R$ 60/30 min, R$ 80/60 min
*Avenida Rio Branco 185:
- Apto 2114: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=3
R$ 50/30 min, R$ 70/60 min, R$ 100/dupla 60 min
- Apto 1829: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=7
R$ 60/40 min, R$ 80/60 min
* Avenida Rio Branco 181:
- Apto 510: Closed.
* Travessa do Ouvidor 37: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=20
Entrada=R$ 5 (1 Skol), R$ 30/20 min, R$ 60/30 min, R$ 120/60 min, R$ 42/30 min, R$ 62/60 min, R$ 102/90 min
* Rua da Quitanda 81: Club Gatinha, Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=20
Entrada=R$ 10, R$ 70/30 min, R$ 110/60 min
* Avenida Presidente Vargas 590:
- Apto 1005: Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=B, Number=2
R$ 40/30 min, R$ 60/60 min
Rec: Adriana=28 y, big tits, completa.
* Avenida Presidente Vargas 633:
- Apto 417: Cabin=C, Service=C, Standard=B, Number=7
R$ 12/10 min, R$ 17/15 min, R$ 22/20 min, R$ 42/30 min, R$ 62/60 min, R$ 102/90 min
* Rua Conceicao 116: Cabin=C, Service=B, Standard=C, Number=15
R$ 30/30 min, R$ 50/40 min, R$ 70/60 min
* Rua da Carioca 59: Several floors.
Cabin=C, Service=C, Standard=C, Number=20
R$ 1/min
Rec: Crystal=19 y, big tits (works on the top floor)
Rec: Viviane=19 y, big tits.
* Rua da Carioca 40: Simple club. Strip.
Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=15
R$ 30/20 min, R$ 40/30 min, R$ 90/60 min
* Rua Alcindo Guanabara 24:
- Apto 1111: Closed.
* Rua do Acre 61: Whiskeria Aquarius
I only went there in “Happy hours” when there were 4 girls working. I found nothing interesting, but the place looks nice. Supposed to have 30 girls.
Wednesday-Friday, 12-4 PM: R$ 30/15 min, R$ 40/20 min, R$ 50/30 min, R$ 100/60 min.
Normal rate: R$ 70/20 min, R$ 90/30 min, R$ 110/40 min, R$ 130/60 min.
* Rua do Acre 120: Cabin=C, Service=C, Standard=C, Number=6
R$ 15/10 min, R$ 20/20 min, R$ 30/30 min
* Rua Marechal Floriano (corner with Rua Andradas): Club Rio 40 Graus. Closed when I passed by. Could be interesting.
* Rua Buenos Aires 113: Cabin=C, Service=C, Standard=C, Number=20
R$ 1/min
* Rua Buenos Aires 85: Several floors. Winding narrow stairs.
Cabin=C, Service=C, Standard=C, Number=20
R$ 1/min
Rec: Isabella=20 y, slim.
* Rua Uruguaiana 24: Several floors.
Cabin=C, Service=C, Standard=C, Number=20
R$ 13/10 min, R$ 18/15 min, R$ 23/20 min
* Praca Mauá, Florida: stripclub with cabins.
Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=15
Entrada=R$ 10, R$ 65/30 min. I can’t remember the other prices, but they give a good deal for a dupla.
Rec: Mara=27 y, hot mulatta.
Rec: Brenda=19 y, even hotter.
Note: Mara and Brenda makes an excellent dupla.
* Vila Mimosa: 72 casas, I’ve counted them. :)
Cabin=C (some B), Service=C, Standard=C, Number=roughly 1500, counting all shifts and weekendworkers (dig deep, and you'll find several gems).
R$ 25/30 min, R$ 1/condom
Some casas with better cabins will cost you R$ 2 more.
Hotel Canário (motel)=R$ 20/2 hs. Girl will charge you R$ 40-60/2 hs.
* Finally a small note, just to encourage your search for casas in Centro. I found a few casas in Centro, with some stunners, that will only charge you R$ 20 for a session with unlimited time (until you pop), clean cabins, BBBJ and completa. Just unbelievable! As I don’t want to ruin these casas, I havn’t mentioned them here, and neither will I.
Nice list, Sperto! Thanks.
I've got a couple to add. As of a few months ago, they were still open, but I didn't check them this last trip. Maybe an excuse for another trip ;)
Avenida Rio Branco 181, Apto 910
Rua Mexico (Make a right off Almirante Barroso) 148, Apto 701 & 703.
I remember this as an A list place with an intercom at the front door. You have to request to come in in Portuguese before entering.
I would be interested in knowing if they're still open.
JC
You da man spertinho. ;-)
Hey! Nice one Sperto!
I've made note of your ratings and will probably have great fun mulling them over in the juice bars that provide pit stops between these joyous locations!
Personally I would put places like Praca Mauá in a different category anyway though - it just comes down to getting what you pay for.
I think you were a bit hard on Rua da Carioca 59, although you do say there are gems. At least one of the main doors has shower facilities (though it usually depends on the girl as to whether you are offered them). One of my faves there, a very beautiful girl, does what she can to bend the rules for me, but the organisation is quite strict as the girls seem to have to say how long they're going to be in the cabin before they use it, which makes it harder for them to extend time (but at those rates who cares). In Mimosa, sometimes a girl will tell a Mama to get lost if she wants to extend free of charge and it varies a lot as establishments work under their own rules. Some enforce them, in others the girls do much as they please (the freelancers know the differences).
Back to Carioca 59, in a slightly different category is the very top floor, which has a different name and is accessed by outside steps from the ordinary top floor. They are slightly more expensive but more laid back. You also have the option of paying for a better cabin (which is well worth it). I've always been offered a shower there I think (although it's very basic - you might need your own towel). Come to think of it, there's one or two casa in Mimosa that often offer a shower too, but they are the exception and the girl has to like you to bother.
Carioca is *very* close to the Uruguaiana one, so you can check out both when you get off the tube. Carioca also has the advantage of a lift (a bit of wait sometimes) but it means you can go to a specific floor and so try not to offend garotas that you might want to see later but not that day (this can backfire as they sometimes flit between casas, so a cheeky smile is a good back-up!)
Carioca also has the advantage of being next to the grungy strip club cinema if you want somewhere to get you in the mood. And there are two excellent places to chill and eat out almost next door. One is the historic long black and white bar on the same side of the street, and the other is the atmospheric oriental-ware shop and deli-cafe almost opposite. These two are reliable but I'd give the other eating places in the immediate vicinity a miss personally.
Finally, has anyone had any luck with that cheeky social worker who looks after the girls and sometimes helps distribute leaflets outside? I flirt with her every time I go if she's about, but haven't got a date yet (my frequent paid-for visits probably do me no favbours there though <g> )
Let me know if you need a research partner for your next round of surveys of the Centro area . . . I am in.
How many days did you spent collecting your data. It must have been a lot since most of these joints are Mon-Fri only and with only so many bullets available per day! I was just in Rio for 15 days and following a list collected by a local friend I made it a point one afternoon to visit a couple of apartments. I wish I had your list though, my solo mini search would have been more pleasureable. I went to 156, 181 and 185 Rio Branco and finally settled on 'Bel Prazer' which is 185 #2114. The pricing I got was $R60=40mins and $R80=60mins. The room I got was pretty bad, the bed sheet was thin and you can see-thru to the dirty twin mattress underneath. I was then around 3pm and there was noisy construction upstairs and next door. I am sure the renovations that they made in this office were not up to code, lol. The saving grace with the GDP that I picked was a sweetheart if a bit lazy. She attempted a CBJ - I quickly bypassed for intercourse which she melted right into my rhythm. I would go back because there were two others that caught my eye but were occupied when I returned from my recon that afternoon.
The two other apartments I think were 156 #1829 and 181 #1729 had nice queen beds and massage tables in the room but alas there were only two girls available at each and I decided to pull the trigger elsewhere.
I ventured to Aquarius afterwards and was able to find it because of a $R10 map that I bought at a newstand back in Copa. I was not able to find a detailed street map of Centro via the internet. The street signs read only Rua Acre without the "do". The pricing is exactly as reported. For $R10, I sat with a nice mulatta while I tried to recharge. Note that the boite here which is upstairs was very dark so seeing the talent was made harder than necessary. There were a couple of hotties showing off their stripper moves and if I had not pop only 90mins prior I would have definitely sessioned here.
BTW, I went between my Copa apartment and Centro mostly by the $R2-$R2.20 buses.
Exec Talent
04-15-07, 19:05
How is the local reaction to gringos in the Centro houses? Not talking about 4x4 or other well-known spots, but some of the less frequented locations.
How is the local reaction to gringos in the Centro houses? Not talking about 4x4 or other well-known spots, but some of the less frequented locations.The reaction is fine, they treat gringos well. I've taken some friends to those places. You have to speak Portuguese, or be with someone who does, otherwise you'll get nowhere. Also, discretion is key. If someone is standing at the door when you get there, you need to hang back for 5 minutes until he gets settled. No one expects to be seen entering, leaving, or inside. That's part of what they provide. Also, they're mostly in office buildings, so you need to be composed as your travelling to the particular "office" you seek.
Some of the lower end places on Buenos Aires are completely different. Step into 81 or 113, and you might be eyeballed by the Brazilian guys in there, but you won't really have any problems. I don't think those places are really worth the time, personally.
Other than that, some pretty girls at good prices.
i stopped by carioca 40 and was disappointed. my local buddy recommended that i go there around lunchtime because you can check out the gdps as they shower and get ready since you can look right into the female locker room. i finally made it there after 5:30pm & did not find this to be the case. if you really want to peep, you sorta have to really poke your head into where it does not belong. maybe the girls just don't care that you do. i found about a dozen disinterested gdps in a divey boite. i saw three girls that might have been nice to sample but they were all occupied. for the $r2 entry and $r3 skol, it was an ok place to rest up.
i was tempted to go to carioca 59 but ended up bypassing because i saw a couple of shady looking touts at the entrance and it was getting dark.
similarly i found/stumbled onto several more addresses and would have done more stuff if i was not flying solo.
on my next rio trip i would definitely visit more apartments, check out carioca 59 & praca mauá, florida, poke my head in buenos aires 85, ouvidor 37, quitanda 81 and session at rua acre 61: whiskeria aquarius.
I tried to give an overall picture of the casas. There are always exceptions.
Carioca 59 do have some nice surprises. The very top floor, reached by the outside steps from the ordinary top floor, has been closed the last times I've been to Carioca 59. BTW there is a nice Comida à Quilo almost next door.
Both the R$ 1/min-places and VM might allow you to take a shower afterwards. Sometimes I have to rent a towel for R$ 1-2.
Remember, things change very quickly in these casas. One place might have several beauties one day and the next month there are none. Also, arriving there in the lunch hour might be bad as the best ones are all occupied. I prefer arriving around 10.30.
Almotu, I don't know how many days I spent checking out the casas. I like hanging out in centro, and if I go to centro it's just impossible for me not visiting some casas.
My personal ratings of some Termas I visited this trip . . . in order based on . . .
L'uomo (1 visit - Sat; no session)
4x4 (2 visits - Tue/Fri; 2 sessions - Tue)
Solarium (2 visits - Mons; 2 sessions - Mons)
Cancun (2 visits - Thu/Tue; 2 sessions - Thu/Tue)
Monte Carlo (1 visit - Sat; 1 session - Sat)
502 (2 visits - Thu/Wed; no session)
Remember YMMV!
Eye Candy rating (approx # of GDPs)
1) Solarium (20)
2) Cancun (15)
3) 4x4 (30)
4) 502 (20)
5) Monte Carlo (15)
6) L'uomo (10)
Session rating
1) Cancun = 2 very hot PSE full 60min sessions; hotel room quality cabines
2) 4x4 = 2 sessions in the span of 3 hours, a personal best w/o chem help
3) Monte Carlo = 1 very nice girl who spoke broken English, excellent GFE
4) Solarium = roped into 2 mediocre sessions by GDPs who were great in
the boite.
Post Script=
502 showed real promise, since it is very close to 4x4, don't have to change into robes and had $R15 minimum consumption which can be 5 waters/sodas or 3 beers. I ended up there on two occasions after 7pm and before Midnight, felt quite safe. They had rowdy strip shows where the clients got right into the dancers crotches! During both nights, I found myself waiting for a couple of girls to get free but it was hard because the place was filled with local guys and I never got my chance to be with the girls I liked.
L'uomo really did not do it for me on this trip. The girls all seemed fit but bigger that I'd like. I was hanging with my wingman and he really liked the girl who was sitting next to me, so I introduced them. He continued his interview while I surveyed the rest of the room. I liked the setup, cause there were more GDPs than clients yet with a few exceptions the girls were spending more time dancing than trying to score a session. In past trips, there were always a few girls stroking my cock under my robe getting me in the mood. This visit, nothing. My friend gave a disappointing post-session review of the nice blonde. No kissing, CBJ but Anal (his thing, not mine)
Solarium, my wingman went there at least three more times than I did. I wish I used his recommendations because he told me about great sessions that he had with a few hotties there. I should not have let my little head downstairs do the thinking. One annoying thing, the cashiers spoke English and asked for tips each time which I ignored with a smile.
Monte Carlo, there were a few Goth looking / biker chicks available if this is your thing. Yakuza like tattoos, pale skin, pastey make-up and skinny! Too thin for my taste.
IMHO, best value (Cancun and 4x4) if you need a place for Sat/Sun then go to Solarium. But if you have the time to explore, you should visit the places for yourself and makeup your own mind. Always check your bill carefully when settling up for the evening. I don't pay for anything using credit or debit cards anymore in Rio. Just reais after exchanging my USD or hitting the ATMs. At Monte Carlo and Solarium, they will take foreign money and they did give a decent exchange rate like at the cambio but not as good as HELP or the ATM.
I wish I had the time to visit Aeroporto, MV30 and Antigo. Hopefully I'd be back to Rio soon.
I've made some corrections of the map of casas in VM, that I made in September. Total of 72 casas.
I also attach the directions map and the satellite map.
You da - Rei no Vila Mimosa! or is it Rei do Vila Mimosa?
Anyhoo, when is the best time to visit there . . day of week and time?
I went there for the first time on my recent trip and I would go back again. I met a hottie there and had a nice hour-long session ($R100) with her back in Copa on another day. The $R30 session (20mins) there @ VM was disgusting. Other than her, no one available caught my eye that night - a Tuesday night around 9:30pm. From your map, I also must have missed one whole side street of casas. I went around and around the 'grid' section for sure.
My 'guide' MrEnternational and I took the 455 bus to and fro from NS de Copacabana and VM. We were lucky and did not have to wait long. To enter VM from the highway where the bus drops off was pretty scary I must say. . . quite deserted. We walked fast (as if that would help - lol) If life was a horror movie, I could definitely see zombies and other creepy crawllies coming out from the shadows!
anyhoo, when is the best time to visit there . . day of week and time?
i don't know if there is a 'best' time, but the atmosphere varies a lot. i think i have been there at a broad selection of times and all days. the evenings, especially weekends, are busiest, which has its good and bad points. harder to get the hottie you want, you may have to wait for a room, and there is more of a 'slot machine' mentality. but there are many more girls!
the only time i've felt uneasy was early morning, around 9am on a sunday. it was very frikkin quiet and one girl warned me it was not good for me to be there. i don't know if some trouble was anticipated, or whether she was overly paranoid for my sake. there was not a lot of choice of girls.
the busy times also have more of a 'party' atmosphere and it's easy to spend hours there having the odd beer in between garotas, hanging out, dancing or flirting with them even. quite often you see girls dancing forre with locals. my forre is risible, so i usually try to get them to do salsa. one girl i always see (as a friend) likes dancing to heavy metal and we scour around for the best jukeboxes.
if i have a preference, i like to try to catch the hotties as they arrive for their shift (or wake up, if they live there, as one or two do.)
if you leave it till late at night, the buses are less frequent but they are all night. a taxi from the bus-stop is usually much cheaper than one from vm itself though you can haggle either (few will put a meter on unless they are short of customers). i often ask them to drive slowly as a condition. if you go from the bus stop they are on the right side of the freeway, so it doesn't need the detour that vm entails. but if they take the fast road through the tunnel to copa they often seem to be doing crazy speeds at night.
Carioca 59 do have some nice surprises. The very top floor, reached by the outside steps from the ordinary top floor, has been closed the last times I've been to Carioca 59. BTW there is a nice Comida à Quilo almost next door.
That place is the least consistent, I agree. Several times it seems to have shut down. I wonder if it keeps re-opening under new management? A while back it had a very amusing deal. All girls offered 'completa'. The receptionist would patiently explain (with a huge smile)- the way you do to someone who is a bit slow with the language, and point to the body part in question as she said each word. (Basically your price could include oral, vaginal and anal lol).
Comida a Quilo was the one I was thinking I wouldn't trust as I wasn't impressed with the standards. Bar Luis is an institution and has too much to lose by serving rubbish (but it does have a very particular style, which is not to everyone's taste). The deli sells exquisite, mouth-watering cakes that are in a different league to the usual kilograma offerings.
Termas Time
04-16-07, 06:56
My personal ratings of some Termas I visited this trip . . . in order based on . . .
L'uomo (1 visit - Sat; no session)
4x4 (2 visits - Tue/Fri; 2 sessions - Tue)
Solarium (2 visits - Mons; 2 sessions - Mons)
Cancun (2 visits - Thu/Tue; 2 sessions - Thu/Tue)
Monte Carlo (1 visit - Sat; 1 session - Sat)
502 (2 visits - Thu/Wed; no session)
Remember YMMV!
Eye Candy rating (approx # of GDPs)
1) Solarium (20)
2) Cancun (15)
3) 4x4 (30)
4) 502 (20)
5) Monte Carlo (15)
6) L'uomo (10)
Session rating
1) Cancun = 2 very hot PSE full 60min sessions; hotel room quality cabines
2) 4x4 = 2 sessions in the span of 3 hours, a personal best w/o chem help
3) Monte Carlo = 1 very nice girl who spoke broken English, excellent GFE
4) Solarium = roped into 2 mediocre sessions by GDPs who were great in
the boite.
Post Script=
502 showed real promise, since it is very close to 4x4, don't have to change into robes and had $R15 minimum consumption which can be 5 waters/sodas or 3 beers. I ended up there on two occasions after 7pm and before Midnight, felt quite safe. They had rowdy strip shows where the clients got right into the dancers crotches! During both nights, I found myself waiting for a couple of girls to get free but it was hard because the place was filled with local guys and I never got my chance to be with the girls I liked.
L'uomo really did not do it for me on this trip. The girls all seemed fit but bigger that I'd like. I was hanging with my wingman and he really liked the girl who was sitting next to me, so I introduced them. He continued his interview while I surveyed the rest of the room. I liked the setup, cause there were more GDPs than clients yet with a few exceptions the girls were spending more time dancing than trying to score a session. In past trips, there were always a few girls stroking my cock under my robe getting me in the mood. This visit, nothing. My friend gave a disappointing post-session review of the nice blonde. No kissing, CBJ but Anal (his thing, not mine)
Solarium, my wingman went there at least three more times than I did. I wish I used his recommendations because he told me about great sessions that he had with a few hotties there. I should not have let my little head downstairs do the thinking. One annoying thing, the cashiers spoke English and asked for tips each time which I ignored with a smile.
Monte Carlo, there were a few Goth looking / biker chicks available if this is your thing. Yakuza like tattoos, pale skin, pastey make-up and skinny! Too thin for my taste.
IMHO, best value (Cancun and 4x4) if you need a place for Sat/Sun then go to Solarium. But if you have the time to explore, you should visit the places for yourself and makeup your own mind. Always check your bill carefully when settling up for the evening. I don't pay for anything using credit or debit cards anymore in Rio. Just reais after exchanging my USD or hitting the ATMs. At Monte Carlo and Solarium, they will take foreign money and they did give a decent exchange rate like at the cambio but not as good as HELP or the ATM.
I wish I had the time to visit Aeroporto, MV30 and Antigo. Hopefully I'd be back to Rio soon.
I was there in the beginning of March. And pretty much agree with your ratings. I listed my own rankings in a previous report. I thought Solarium had the best talent followed by Cancun and 4x4. Cancun had some nice young girls. The only problem I had with Cancun is that you have to go at the right day and time or the place is dead. 4x4 is a zoo but can be fun when it isn't too crowded. Anways, good report.
Termas Time
Anyhoo, when is the best time to visit there . . day of week and time?
I prefer to arrive at VM just before 5 PM. Before 5 PM your options are limited as many girls start their shifts around 5-6 PM. If you go later in the evening, around 10 PM, the hotties already had lots of customers. Meaning they will be tired, smelly and propably give a bad performance.
An advantage of arriving early is that you can be the first customer of the day. Also, if you find a nice girl you want to bring to the nearby motel (Hotel Canário) you have a greater chance that she'll go with you and stay for a long time if you catch her before the evening-rush. If you're quick, you can pick her up before she arrives at her casa. That way you can get a good deal and the girl will not have to pay any fee to her casa (when you bring a girl to the motel the casa might charge nothing or a fee of R$ 10-20).
Which day is best? Any day is good. On weekends there are more girls working so you'll have more to choose from. Personally, I also like Mondays. Business is slow so the girls are very eager to get a customer.
If you want to catch the nice party atmosphere at VM you should go there on a Friday or Saturday evening.
Wandering Fool
04-16-07, 07:12
Sperto and Almotu, great reports! You've convinced me (almost) to try these places on my next trip.
One question though. In absolute terms, how would you compare the quality of these ladies to those in the better termas. Can you find hotties on the level of the best termas? Or are these places just an alternative for the guy who has worn out his welcome in all the usual haunts?
One question though. In absolute terms, how would you compare the quality of these ladies to those in the better termas. Can you find hotties on the level of the best termas? Or are these places just an alternative for the guy who has worn out his welcome in all the usual haunts?
Of course, termas like L'uomo and Solarium have higher quality on the girls than the average cheap-centro-girl. But still in centro and VM you can find hotties that are equal to the girls at the best termas. You just have to look more.
You can divide the casas in centro in two categories:
1. The R$ 1/min-places.
Places like Rua Buenos Aires 85 and 113, Rua Carioca 59, Rua Uruguaiana 24 etc.
Lower standard on both the girls and the cabins.
The clients are mostly "poor" brazilians looking for cheap fast-sex.
2. The anonymous places.
Casas that just put a phone number in their adds in Classificados or on the internet.
Discreet, better standard on the girls and the cabins. Slightly higher price.
Places like Avenida Rio Branco 156, 181 and 185.
The clients seems to be more like office-people.
In general I do my pick at the category 2, but nonetheless the category 1 is definitely worth checking out because of the rare gems.
Is it was possible to find smi-pros on the beach in Rio. Meaning, young girls that do this for extra money but do not work at a terma or HELP (trade in high volume).
I do not speak the language but I am young which may help. I do not speak the language.
I was able to find this in Havana.
Thanks
T
p.s.
What's the scene like there in July?
I am also considering going to Fortaleza.
I went to the Monte Carlo yesterday. There were quite a few new girls in. The two I had had come over from Centaurus. It looks like the strong real and the lack of gringos is forcing the girls to move away from the more gringo orientated places. The strip clubs have been almost empty this last three weeks, most of the girls that I know have been moaning about the lack of clients. Has any body else noticed this or is it just me?
The MC was full of fine pussy but hardly any customers until a group of young Brasilians arrived. But as one of the girls said they were just there to look and grope and wouldn't be interested in going upstairs. Hard times for the girls must mean better prices for us?
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I went to the Monte Carlo yesterday. There were quite a few new girls in. The two I had had come over from Centaurus. It looks like the strong real and the lack of gringos is forcing the girls to move away from the more gringo orientated places. The strip clubs have been almost empty this last three weeks, most of the girls that I know have been moaning about the lack of clients. Has any body else noticed this or is it just me?
The MC was full of fine pussy but hardly any customers until a group of young Brasilians arrived. But as one of the girls said they were just there to look and grope and wouldn't be interested in going upstairs. Hard times for the girls must mean better prices for us?
With the exchange rate falling, I am becoming more and more "brasilian" on every trip. I am really not that eager, to spend 250R for a 40 minute session in MC. What I have been doing for the past year, is pay my entrance fee, get cell numbers from the girls and have them come to my apartment for 150R.
Wandering Fool
04-18-07, 22:35
Is it was possible to find smi-pros on the beach in Rio. Meaning, young girls that do this for extra money but do not work at a terma or HELP (trade in high volume).
I do not speak the language but I am young which may help. I do not speak the language.
I was able to find this in Havana.
Thanks
T
p.s.
What's the scene like there in July?
I am also considering going to Fortaleza.
July is the winter season but for me it was equal to a normal summer for the north east USA. The only downside is the sun sets earlier so by 4:30ish the beach scene is dead. Obviously there are less toursists and less locals on the beach but the upside is prices for hotels, flights and other tourist related things are lower.
The semi pro thing is tricky (although maybe a more experienced member has some ideas) because there's not necessarily a concentration of them to be found anywhere. When they are working they can be found right along with the seasoned pros outside Help and Maia Pateca (sp?) and at the beach in front of the Othon Palace in Copa and Ceasar Park Hotel in Ipanema.
When they're not working they are off in school, at a store, you name it, so how are you supposed to know who they are? It's even more difficult if you don't speak the language. I would guess you have the highest odds walking along Copa beach but you'll still more than likely embarass yourself (and further the bad name gringo's already have) if you start asking random girls if they'll sleep with you for money, lol.
Maybe another member can comment on finding them through local classifieds and on the net...
If you read the posts here and on other forums the the guys who pull this off usually can speak the language very well, will meet some girls at a mall or wherever and then charm them into coming to the hotel, perhaps offering to get them gifts or groceries or in some subtle ways hinting that there will be benefits. You'd better have a very good sense for the girls you're speaking to unless you don't mind really offending a nice local girl (who might have actually turned out to like you without needing money).
From my own experience I usually divide my trip into total NON PRO mode -meeting local girls working in the stores, waitresses, whatever and total PRO mode. I do like to find the "fresher" working girls who are either semi pro or newbies but to do it, I go to all the usual haunts and then, liking picking the fresher fruit at the grocery store, I shop carefully.
Is it was possible to find smi-pros on the beach in Rio. Meaning, young girls that do this for extra money but do not work at a terma or HELP (trade in high volume).
I do not speak the language but I am young which may help. I do not speak the language.
I was able to find this in Havana.
Thanks
T
p.s.
What's the scene like there in July?
I am also considering going to Fortaleza.
Well, this is an interesting question to answer, because it seems like there are multiple definitions for what a "semi-pro" is. I'm not sure if our definitions are exactly the same, so I'm not sure this answer will help you. But maybe it will.
First of all, even though we all have different definitions of what semi pro means, I think almost all of us on here can agree that the girls that work in front of the Othon Palace are NOT semi pros; more like full time, hard-core Copa hookers. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But I have a feeling that's not what you're looking for from reading your post.
I agree that being young helps, but if you don't speak Portuguese, this will be difficult; at the very least try to learn just a few lines to use on the girls. What I would recommend for you would be to check out the beach farther down Copa going towards Leme; even into Leme. I found that some of the girls that work in the boites in Lido (the border of Copacabana and Leme) sometimes spend their days at this part of the beach. Many of the girls that work at the Lido clip-joints make a lot of their money just by selling drinks, and some nights don't even go with a client. IMHO, this is what I would classify as a semi-pro. Maybe they will make some money on drinks, maybe they will make some money dancing in the club, etc. If they get lucky maybe there will be a newbie gringo who will put a R10 or R20 note into their g-string while they are dancing (yes, I've seen this happen before). For these girls, going with clients is secondary, and something that doesn't happen often. Or at least not as often as the Help/MP girls.
Anyways, like I said, some of these girls hang out on the part of Copa beach going towards Leme. There are many reasons for this, but one main reason is because a lot of them live right on Princesa Isabel in those really crappy, old apartments, a few blocks behind the Meridian, so it's convenient for them. How do I know? Because I, too, lived in one of those buildings for a while (only the best for Ezinho!).
But my point is, these girls can be found on the beach during the day, and are willing to go back to your apartment/hotel, sometimes for a very cheap price for ST. I'm not going to give examples of how much I paid, because there would be non-believers on here, but lets just say that even with the exchange rate at 2-1 today, it would still be a very good deal.
You mentioned Fortaleza as well, and I think you might like it there even more if you're into semi pros on the beach. IMHO, the beach scene (especially around the berracas near the McDonalds on Av. Biera Mar) was the best part of mongering in Fortaleza. But this should probably be continued in the appropriate thread.
Damn, I miss Brasil.
With the exchange rate falling, I am becoming more and more "brasilian" on every trip. I am really not that eager, to spend 250R for a 40 minute session in MC. What I have been doing for the past year, is pay my entrance fee, get cell numbers from the girls and have them come to my apartment for 150R.I have had a couple of girls give me their number in MC but the problem was always when to meet them. Would I meet them after or before work? I always went for before work, fresher pussy and easier to get rid off afterwards. I have always thought of PPP as not paying them to stay with you but paying them to fuck off afterwards.
In the time I have been in Brasil I have only ever had a couple of genuine free women. Both were hookers, they would fuck me in the evening and head off to work in the bar at 11pm and would come back at 4am. The girls call it 0800, like the phone system a free call. A word of advice to all you guys that have a girlfriend here, if you ask any of the girls that aren't your "girlfriend" they will always tell you that no genuine girlfriend will charge you or ask you to pay for her to stop working. It's only 190R for a forty minute sessionin MC just now, if you register on their website and take along the printout of the free cabin promotional e-mail. You won't have any girls banging on your door and creating a scene or annoying the hotel staff and it will only cost 40R more.
I went to the Monte Carlo yesterday. There were quite a few new girls in. The two I had had come over from Centaurus. It looks like the strong real and the lack of gringos is forcing the girls to move away from the more gringo orientated places. The strip clubs have been almost empty this last three weeks, most of the girls that I know have been moaning about the lack of clients. Has any body else noticed this or is it just me?
The MC was full of fine pussy but hardly any customers until a group of young Brasilians arrived. But as one of the girls said they were just there to look and grope and wouldn't be interested in going upstairs. Hard times for the girls must mean better prices for us?I would agree. Since being down there in March a couple of my GDPs have emailed and called and said business is slow. A couple have asked when are you going to return. I think it will pick up with the Pan Am games. Keep the game real do as the Brasilians do. Have a look and get some numbers and have the ladies come back to the apartment.
Wandering Fool
04-19-07, 03:24
Ezinho, What's you're method for figuring out who are the semi pros so you don't get slaped in the face when propositioning the beach girls?
Mr Enternational
04-19-07, 06:04
But my point is, these girls can be found on the beach during the day, and are willing to go back to your apartment/hotel, sometimes for a very cheap price for ST. I'm not going to give examples of how much I paid, because there would be non-believers on here, but lets just say that even with the exchange rate at 2-1 today, it would still be a very good deal..I'll spill it. I have gotten them in the exact spot you are talking about for 50 reais.
I have had a couple of girls give me their number in MC but the problem was always when to meet them. Would I meet them after or before work? I always went for before work, fresher pussy and easier to get rid off afterwards.
A word of advice to all you guys that have a girlfriend here, if you ask any of the girls that aren't your "girlfriend" they will always tell you that no genuine girlfriend will charge you or ask you to pay for her to stop working.
It's only 190R for a forty minute sessionin MC just now, if you register on their website and take along the printout of the free cabin promotional e-mail. You won't have any girls banging on your door and creating a scene or annoying the hotel staff and it will only cost 40R more.
You say you try to arrange a session with GDPs before their work . . . in general what time would that be? For terma girls, it would have to be around lunchtime, no? since that usually have to get to work by 3pm?
When I am in Rio, somedays it's all about "Leite" management. I try to get something in by 2 or 3pm and try to give myself 6-8 hours to fully recharge for a late hit at a terma or grab somebody at HELP.
As for paying for them to stop working, sometimes the genuine GDP will still ask you to pay the fine that some places charge her for taking the day off.
I think BRAVO had TLN in mind for $R150, in which case it should be better than $R190 for a 40min session in a cramped cabine. But I do see your point that if you are not looking for LT GFE, then wham bam thank you ma'm =no drama!
Does anyone frequent Barra enough to know it well? It's the only big suburb where I always get lost. And sore feet from walking so far.
The main attraction for me is the beach. You can walk along it feeling like a film star, it's so perfect. And the food is first class. But ask me directions. Duh!
Now missing even one bus stop (or van stop) in Barra can mean a mighty long walk nowhere interesting. It's one thing to get a taxi to an exact location (for instance, for a dressy night out), but finding one's way about with public transport, even with a Ruas routemap, is a pain in Barra. It's like California. Built for cars.
Another hassle is that if you mess up and have to travel in the rush hour back to Rio it makes US traffic jams look like an attractive vacation. Short of staying over, I need some precision targets to make it worth the bother ;-)
So how about a map marked up with the cool termas? happy to swap you mine of centro (which is too big to post).
In the time I have been in Brasil I have only ever had a couple of genuine free women. Both were hookers, they would fuck me in the evening and head off to work in the bar at 11pm and would come back at 4am. The girls call it 0800, like the phone system a free call. A word of advice to all you guys that have a girlfriend here, if you ask any of the girls that aren't your "girlfriend" they will always tell you that no genuine girlfriend will charge you or ask you to pay for her to stop working.Bingo.
And if she's your REAL girlfriend, she will tell you she doesn't want you staying with her in the cabine. "Everybody else has to pay for it. You don't."
I have had a couple of girls give me their number in MC but the problem was always when to meet them. Would I meet them after or before work? I always went for before work, fresher pussy and easier to get rid off afterwards. I have always thought of PPP as not paying them to stay with you but paying them to fuck off afterwards.
In the time I have been in Brasil I have only ever had a couple of genuine free women. Both were hookers, they would fuck me in the evening and head off to work in the bar at 11pm and would come back at 4am. The girls call it 0800, like the phone system a free call. A word of advice to all you guys that have a girlfriend here, if you ask any of the girls that aren't your "girlfriend" they will always tell you that no genuine girlfriend will charge you or ask you to pay for her to stop working. It's only 190R for a forty minute sessionin MC just now, if you register on their website and take along the printout of the free cabin promotional e-mail. You won't have any girls banging on your door and creating a scene or annoying the hotel staff and it will only cost 40R more.
The main reason why I would rather have them come to my apartment, is the time issue. It is extremely hard for me to cum, with a 40 minute time limit. When they come to your apartment, you can take your time and have a 1 1/2 - 2hr session. (I like having them come over to my place before they go to work, around 11AM-1PM, much more energy on their part. )
I'll spill it. I have gotten them in the exact spot you are talking about for 50 reais.
Yup, Mr. E is right on with the price, some friendly chit chat, a few Skols, and a R50 note should get you what you want. To be more specific on the location, north of the Copacabana Palace and onward is the area I believe we are talking about, going into Leme. But if you go past the Meridian, you've probably gone too far.
As for your question, Wandering Fool, I would never walk up to any girl on the beach and just ask "Quanto é"? The way I see it, if that's what you're looking for, then semi-pros are not for you; might as well just stick with the girls outside of Terraço Atlântico, and in front of Help. But, this example goes back to my whole point of what the definition of a semi pro is in the first place, and how it's not the same for everyone.
I'll be honest with you, a lot of times, I would meet the girl in one of the bars or boites *first*, and talk to her there. After talking for a little bit, she would then tell me where she usually hangs out on the beach, and if I wanted to, (during the day) to come visit her. So, I would meet her the next day at the beach. Usually these girls would be alone, believe it or not (I actually think that most GdPs are lonely people, but that's another post for another time). Anyways, I wouldn't just walk up to them and take them back to my place, I would hang out with them for a couple hours, maybe buy some beers or some food. Maybe rub some sunscreen on her, and vice vera. After a while, we would agree on a cheap price and go back to my place. So, this is what I would classify as a semi pro. She's not a girl that you can just hand money to and she'll go home with you in an instant like a pro, but at the same time she's not a non-pro, where you will have to take her out a couple times before you get anywhere with her. A few hours of friendly chit chat, a few Skols, and a R50 note should do the trick.
But like I mentioned above, in many instances, I already knew who the semi pros were on the beach, because I met them the night before. So, in a way, this is cheating. But even if you don't have that advantage, check out the part of the beach that Mr. Enternational and I are speaking of, and just start to make conversation (non-sexual) with a girl you find attractive. You'd be suprised how many of those girls work as "dancers" at the Lido clubs.
Picking up a girl at the beach has the advantage that you can see what you are bringing home.
If you want a hard nut to crack, you go down to Posto 9 and try your luck.
The easier way is picking up a pro or a semi-pro in Copa.
One way that works fine for me is:
1. Look for an attractive girl. Approach her in a friendly and relaxed way. See if the chemistry works.
2. If so, bring her back home to your place. Use any good excuse to bring her back. To try the cake you just made (brazilian girls love my cakes), try some imported liqour, listen to some music, show some photos, to pick up your camera, walk your dog or just to give her a small present.
3. Back home it´s time for some good music, drinks, photo-time and show your talents as a masseur.
4a. If it's a regular girl, just go for it.
4b. If it's a pro or a semi-pro the money issue will come up. Gone this far she propably had a good time with you and will propably except R$ 50.
Mr Enternational
04-20-07, 01:58
Does anyone frequent Barra enough to know it well? It's the only big suburb where I always get lost. And sore feet from walking so far.
So how about a map marked up with the cool termas? happy to swap you mine of centro (which is too big to post).Buy one of those 10 real maps that shows all the streets and suburbs from the guys at the beach or at Meia Pataca. I use mine religiously.
Mr Enternational
04-20-07, 02:11
Bingo.
And if she's your REAL girlfriend, she will tell you she doesn't want you staying with her in the cabine. "Everybody else has to pay for it. You don't."I know that this is going back to square one, but could someone please remind me why I would want to have a hooker as a REAL girlfriend.
Mr Enternational
04-20-07, 02:51
When are these guys going to learn. If you send cash to a girl and you leave her alone for anymore than 3 weeks at a time, she will be banging other guys. Even if she really, really, likes you, she will still be banging another dude or chic. The very qualities that we love in Brasilians, IE, they love to bang, is what is going to cause problems when you are not there. They just love to bang!My girlfriend sent me this article yesterday that supports what Bubba was saying.
http://oglobo.globo.com/saude/vivermelhor/mat/2007/04/17/295391980.asp
The aritcle says that Durex did a survey and when it comes to fucking, Brazilians take second place after the Greeks (164 times per year). Brazilians fuck an average of 145 times per year and Poles and Russians 143 times per year. The global average is 103 times per year. Japan is at the bottom of the list. The survey was conducted with 26 thousand people from 26 countries.
Uh o! Maybe that was meant to be a message to me. I hope my girl is not fucking anybody else. I better make a beeline to Ireland.
I know that this is going back to square one, but could someone please remind me why I would want to have a hooker as a REAL girlfriend.LOL. Shows you've got your head on straight. Apparently, lots of guys are willing to pay hookers a lot of money to pretend that "she's his girlfriend."
Track Star
04-20-07, 15:43
Folks,
Rio Bob has a good point that Semi Pros can definitely offer some good experiences.
The very first girl that I picked up at MP in September of 2004 on my first trip to Rio was a Semi Pro.
She just went there on weekends and had a kid. She was very friendly, had a very nice body, very very nice snatch..and agreeed to all niter for R$200.
She was very clean and even made a point of bringing her tootbrush etc.
The point being that she offered a good and friendly experience different from most of the hardened pros that frequent HELP every nite of the week. She fucked good too and put out a nice effort for the money I paid her.
The overall good experience she offered just added to my continuing love and addiction to the "RIO experience." In my books it doesn't get any better than RIO anywhere anytime. Rio...those are the best of times..most of all!
Keep huntin..keep popping..till u drop folks.
Track Star
http://oglobo.globo.com/saude/vivermelhor/mat/2007/04/17/295391980.asp
The aritcle says that Durex did a survey and when it comes to fucking, Brazilians take second place after the Greeks (164 times per year). Brazilians fuck an average of 145 times per year and Poles and Russians 143 times per year. The global average is 103 times per year. Japan is at the bottom of the list. The survey was conducted with 26 thousand people from 26 countries.
And the US and Britain are pretty near the bottom!
Here's the list from the durex site
based on % of respondents having sex weekly
Greece 87
Brazil 82
Russia 80
China 78
Poland 76
Italy 76
Malaysia 74
Spain 72
Switz. 72
Mexicoo 71
Austria 70
France 70
India 68
Germany 68
Thailand 65
Netherlands 63
New Zealand 63
Poland 62
Singapore 62
Australia 60
Canada 59
UK 55
USA 53
Japan 34
I'm sure most people will take it as a nice bit of fun (especially if you're Greek or Brasilian!) but the survey is not at all scientific. For instance, see http://www.drpetra.co.uk/blog/?p=430
Durex push their products. If possible, I avoid buying them. They use dodgy marketing tactics IMO and their products are often poorer in many ways to competitors'.
Brasil has 'Preserv Large' which is a great condom btw.
What would be rather interesting would be a survey that demonstrated Brasilians, on average, make the most passionate lovers. Just my opinion ;-)
El Austriaco
04-20-07, 17:50
Folks,
Rio Bob has a good point that Semi Pros can definitely offer some good experiences.
The very first girl that I picked up at MP in September of 2004 on my first trip to Rio was a Semi Pro.
It's been interesting reading some of the recent posts on semipros and the perceptions of different mongers, interesting enough to go back to one of my essays that I have been writing, seems like for years now (I wonder whether I ever will finish it, or whether it is something that can ever be finished). Anyhow. It's tentatively entitled "Sex, Lies, and no Video", and as I was reading it again just now, here are a few comments I wanted to share:
Lesson No. 1 "A semipro only exists in a monger's imagination. There are hookers, and no hookers. Everything else is irrelevant."
Let me ask anyone... so if you sleep with a semi-pro, does that make you a semi-monger?
No. You either sleep with girls for money or you don't. Just like there are girls that will sleep with you in direct exchange for money, and others that won't. Easy as that.
Of course, there are those that will sleep with you for a somewhat indirect exchange for money, and many more that will sleep with you in exchange for a relationship (and the resulting financial benefits). Girls in the first category are hookers, too, period. Why would it make a difference you pay her directly or indirectly when the clear expectation on both sides is a) sex and b) money? Whether you pay her before or afterwards, whether you discuss the size of the "gift" in clear terms or leave it open? These are technicalities of the trade that have no bearing on the underlying nature of the transaction.
Girls in the last categories are gold-diggers, BTW. Not exactly the most desirable species, but no hookers.
So you mean that she was not "hardened by the business", a "newbie", and treated you so nicely that she just couldn't be a professional hooker, although admittedly, she did ask for money for sex?
Now we are getting somewhere. But think again.
I am asking myself, why do guys insist so much on that elusive category of the "semi-pro"? I think it mainly stems from the fact that, in some many respects, Brazilian GDPs treat us so differently from hookers in many other places: not only kissing on the mouth, but DFK, BBBJ, cuddling, whatever not, the whole nine yards. As a matter of fact, in many cases, they act like everything and anything but a hooker and much more, yes... like a regular girl. And this has some great appeal to many.
I should know. I have experienced it firsthand many times, and it can be truly mindboggling. I remember my first mongering trip, to Cuba back in 1998. The way the girls treated me, it had my head spinning for months afterwards. So what were they... semi-pros? Regular girls in a financial pinch just looking for a quick buck?
Maybe. But maybe they were just really ultraprofessional hookers with a keen sense of business acumen and totally committed to providing good customer service. Just like any other professional out there in any other kind of business.
Sounds like a total pro to me.
By now, I just enjoy how well they treat me. But over the years, I have also come to accept the fact that it is safer to assume they are very nice, pleasant hookers, nothing more or nothing less, but hookers nonetheless.
I mean, as mongers, we are a demanding bunch, too, especially those of us in search of that GFE. While we are with them, we expect them to be like regular girls in all respects, plus real sluts between the sheets catering to our every sexual whim. But then again, as soon as we see her best friend's bunda, we just expect them to be totally professional, only see us as a client, and simply leave without causing a fuss and batting so much as an eyelash.
What's semi about that?
Before someone says "Well, but she only does this PT, and she hasn't been in the business long enough, and she is actually planning on getting out...", let me ask you one thing:
How do you know what she says is true? If she says she works a regular job or is a student, have you been to her job, to her college? Is it a dead-end job or actually something with some resemblance of a future? Is she studying seriously, full-time, or just taking a course of something? If she is hooking on the side right now, how much longer do you think it is going to take her to realize that it would much more sense to dump her low-paying job and hook full-time? How much longer do you think it is going to take to be lured into the very appealing lifestyle of easy money, booze and drugs, partying all night, fancy clothes, hanging with her girlfriends?
Maybe she only hits Help on the weekends. How do you know she doesn't hook in Centro on other days, during the day, or other parts of Copa? Even Vila Mimosa? Or places most of us have hardly ever heard of, let alone been to.
Track Star... you say she had a kid? How do you know it is hers? Do you really? I have heard stories of friends lending a kid to get some more cash out of a foreigner...
What do we ever know about these girls that is based on hard facts, not just stories corroborated by her friends or her environment?
And this is exactly the problem. In addition to the temptation of classifying a girl as a "semi-pro" based on how they subjectively treat us, there is the problem that in many cases, this categorization of ours is based on information we receive. And who is the main source of this information in the first place? You're right, the girls.
And just like some mongers do not like to admit what they are doing (for myriad reasons), some girls also try to downplay how they make a living. Nothing wrong with that, that's just human nature at work, I guess.
It still doesn't make them anything less than pros, though.
And then, there are the outright lies.
When I spent a lot of time in Copacabana in 2004, spending virtually hours every single day in Meia Pataca, Balcony, Veranda Help and Help, I had many opportunities to get to know them, talk to them without any sales pressure (for reasons that I outlined in an earlier post whose second part I still owe my fellow mongers), observe them, in many cases actually help them communicate whenever a client was interested in them, but they lacked a common language. Needless to say, I also got to know a bunch of mongers, both visitors and Rio expatriates alike. I very vividly remember something an American expatriate once told me about the Copa garotas:
"If her mouth is moving, she is lying".
IMHO, this is one of the soundest advices I have ever received from anyone.
Does it matter whether she tells the truth? Not really. Checking out her soap opera-like stories is unfeasable in practice and, ultimately, pointless. Even if you catch her red-handed, she is going to deny it and come up with an even more grandiose story. It's their way of starring in their own private telenovela.
Yes, while a girl may coincidentally and occasionally say the truth, for sure, I would advise anyone to seriously consider that everything you hear from a girl is a lie, for your own sake. So just that a girl treats you unlike a pro (in your eyes) and tells you that she is not a pro still does not make her a regular girl or, you guessed it, a semi-pro.
Like many others have commented on this board, these girls are very skilled actriesses and highly proficient at reading men. Naturally gifted psychologists of male nature, as a matter of fact. Just look at it what it is, an act, a fantasy, a dreamworld, an adult disneyland. You'll get your chance to star in your own private porn (or rap) movie. Enjoy it, savor it for what it is worth, but when the lights go up in the movie theater, I guess it's time to get up and say goodbye. Believe me, the girls will.
If there is one semi-pro out there, I guess she is still looking for the one semi-monger doubling as the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. But hey, everything is possible. Some lawyers work pro-bono, too, and there might be even politicians who get involved in public service for everyone's benefit but their own. There might even be benevolent dictators, after all.
If you meet any of them, especially the semi-pro, make sure to introduce me to her.
EA
Sorry to disagree with you Austriaco. There's nothing wrong with your view, or arguing over the terminology, just that your experience, for all the facts and cautions which are very true, does not gel with some people's experience over many years. I would say it is 100% for most rich Americans though.
I don't care what a girl calls herself (or to be accurate, what this site labels her - as if she cares). A lot of girls, at some time or other, will have sex for money, directly or indirectly. Many of them do it only when they are very short of cash. That's a bit different from making a career out of it.
There's a great tendency to put girls into neat boxes. As I've said before, it does no harm to be aware of the commonest stereotypes, out of self-protection. Your post came across as very cynical, which maybe you didn't intend.
Buy one of those 10 real maps that shows all the streets and suburbs from the guys at the beach or at Meia Pataca. I use mine religiously.
Sure, I've got that. Several in fact. But I'm talking about marking up places of mongering interest in Barra. Ok, I'm lazy. But so lazy I'll probably stick to Copa and Centro and VM and the accessible termas.
Yup, Mr. E is right on with the price, some friendly chit chat, a few Skols, and a R50 note should get you what you want. To be more specific on the location, north of the Copacabana Palace and onward is the area I believe we are talking about, going into Leme. But if you go past the Meridian, you've probably gone too far.
As for your question, Wandering Fool, I would never walk up to any girl on the beach and just ask "Quanto é"? The way I see it, if that's what you're looking for, then semi-pros are not for you; might as well just stick with the girls outside of Terraço Atlântico, and in front of Help. But, this example goes back to my whole point of what the definition of a semi pro is in the first place, and how it's not the same for everyone.
But like I mentioned above, in many instances, I already knew who the semi pros were on the beach, because I met them the night before. So, in a way, this is cheating. But even if you don't have that advantage, check out the part of the beach that Mr. Enternational and I are speaking of, and just start to make conversation (non-sexual) with a girl you find attractive. You'd be suprised how many of those girls work as "dancers" at the Lido clubs.
Yep. Know what you mean. The beach is a nice place to meet and socialise with people you've met. Picking up a girl on the beach is a bit different. All eyes are on her - Brasilian beaches are very much 'seen to be seen' venues. If it's someone I've never met, I'll usually try to make eye-contact and flirt at a distance till I get a laugh. Then maybe send her an ice-cream or something. Get her to approach me first. I'll usually be aiming at making a meeting locally for later on - that way she doesn't lose street cred in front of her friends (this goes if she's a non-pro, cos she won't want to look easy, and also if she's a pro but pt or whatever and not wanting to announce it to everyone on the beach by disappearing with a gringo). Of course there are girls who go to the beach to score, but more often I suspect they go to the beach to enjoy the beach, often as a break from Meia Pataca or wherever they are doing a shift. Every posto's different.
I read EA's post, and I must somewhat disagree with you about it comming across as cynical. It might seem a bit cynical, but I think it derives more from an angle where one must be a realist. Just a simple reminder that one should be cautious and/or careful of what they are getting themselves involved in. Particularly with garotas de Copa.
RioFavelaboy
04-20-07, 22:00
I read EA's post, and I must somewhat disagree with you about it comming across as cynical. It might seem a bit cynical, but I think it derives more from an angle where one must be a realist. Just a simple reminder that one should cautious and/or careful of what they are getting themselves involved in. Particularly with garotas de Copa.Ok fellows I think we are missing the point entirely here, the original post was just an opinion on basically terminology that we mongers use in this hobby of ours (MONGERING) basically trying to bang as many beautiful women around the world that we can before we die.
Who cares if a GDP is a part-time GDP or full time GDP, in the end it's what ever fantasy this lady fulfilled for you is accomplished, and you have walked away paying her for her services or not paying is all a mute point because if you are happy with the end result ( YOU CAME) I hope!
Yes and occasionaly we get smitten and hit by the love bug, guys it will never end people either GDP's, mongers whatever we are all human, GDP'S just like us can get hung on the love thing, oh yes it happens to them too, but to each his own who are we to judge! (Hell Man we are all Mongers) I love being one too!
The goal for me is to always (get laid) if I pay for it or not or if I pay less than the next man my goal has been accomplished! Even if she's a Rio or Copa common none working girl, pro or semi-pro GDP, she's stil a woman and I came with her, I now can say I hit that and if I have pictures or videos I will forever have my memories of it.
Lets not forget it's forever etched in my brain as a wonderful time.
From American Heritage Dictionary
pro·fes·sion·al (pr?-f?sh'?-n?l) Pronunciation Key
adj.
Of, relating to, engaged in, or suitable for a profession: lawyers, doctors, and other professional people.
Conforming to the standards of a profession: professional behavior.
Engaging in a given activity as a source of livelihood or as a career: a professional writer.
Performed by persons receiving pay: professional football.
Having or showing great skill; expert: a professional repair job.
There you go. Nice and neat. I'm on board with EA. If sex is undertaken with the understanding that money or goods will be exchanged, then to paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy, she might just be a hooker. BTW, check the Dutch St Maarten thread to see a few guys seriously confused about fantasy versus reality. It is eye opening and again highlights the girls astonishing ability to press emotional buttons in lonely men.
I read EA's post, and I must somewhat disagree with you about it comming across as cynical. It might seem a bit cynical, but I think it derives more from an angle where one must be a realist. Just a simple reminder that one should cautious and/or careful of what they are getting themselves involved in. Particularly with garotas de Copa.
You're maybe right, I maybe over-reacted a bit. I think I have maybe had bad experiences meeting up with mongers who treat women disrespectfully.
I know western women who have worked as hookers and then got happily married. I lived with a girl in Brasil for a while who never asked anything off me, then or afterwards. She went halves on meals, just let me into her life. She was quite open about the fact that she had worked Help once a week when things were tight financially. To be honest, I don't think she wanted anything except to settle down and live a normal life. I moved in with her when I was in Rio. We kept in touch for a while but she then up and left one day to go and care for her parents. Knowing her as I did, one of the reasons she didn't give me a forwarding address was that she knew damn well it would look like a ploy for cash. I know she would hide such situations from me when she was hard up, not out of deceptiveness, but to constantly show she was acting decently when the assumption would all too easily be otherwise.
So what's with the label? If you fix my car, do I label you a car-mechanic? My point is that if a girl is not charging you then she is not a hooker at that point. If she often works as a hooker, then there is a greater likelihood that she will hit you for cash at some point but it's not a given.
In some countries, if a girl is caught charging for sex once, I believe the law labels her as a common prostitute and that sticks with her for life, no matter what she does. If a man is caught paying for sex once, most times he will eventually be able to live it down.
The USA and many countries have a cultural neuroticism about infidelity or handing money over to women. Yet the USA lags behind even the UK when it comes to equality. Men expect to pay for things on a date, women expect the man to pay. When you get to high class hookers there is sometimes a roll-over factor that if a man has shelled out enough, and does so on a regular basis, he will get sex with her, even though no money has changed hands. But the dumb guy (as well as the mercenary chick) is proud of the fact that this is not 'prostitution'.
Brasilians are not neurotic about fidelity. Most have affairs and handle them with discretion. And vast number of respectable women have at one time charged for sex.
What El Austriaco's post does is signal pointers to the unwary. But things like, "If she opens her mouth, she's lying" are witticisms which, in my mind, are a bit offensive. You should never assume someone is telling the truth, but neither should you assume they are lying. You protect yourself without denigrating others. If you keep your valuables safe, you don't have to worry about being robbed. That is much healthier than going around thinking everyone is a crook.
Your experiences as well as your analyzations and reflections on this topic, have made you are a wise monger who has a grasp of the big picture. As a result, it helps you save money, time and most importantly, avoiding potential problems. EA's report is not really geared so much for a person such as yourself or many other experienced gentlemen in this forum, but rather more of a lesson for newbies that can be very easily blinded by the amazing bunda of Rio.
I understand your point, there are garotas out there that have a great heart and good intentions. Doing what they have to do to survive (Or just doing what they want to do for extra cash). Very deserving of respect. Not just because they are human beings, but they will also treat you better in return ( pro and non-pro). But the harsh reality is that there are also some devils out there disguised as garotas.
EA Sez: Yes, while a girl may coincidentally and occasionally say the truth, for sure, I would advise anyone to seriously consider that everything you hear from a girl is a lie, for your own sake.
I love this qoute. It is right to the point and 100% correct about GDP's and any female you come in contact with and 80% of the males you come in contact with in your life. I follow this to this day even with my own wife. Its funny she ask me "Baby do you trust me?" and I always give her the strangest look and say with a smile. No.
Fun And Sun
04-21-07, 17:03
Fellow mongerers
Slightly late, slightly of the current topic being discussed in the forum, but wanted to add my experiences from my February Rio trip. (Hey, better late than never, right? :)
Little to add to the massive amount of information on the Board, but I think the following is worthwhile:
1. Don't go to the "terma" on 204 Ns de Copacabana, it's 175 Real for an hour, cheaper than the other real termas, but the place is pretty dirty, girls are pretty but not as pretty as the other termas. Service is pretty enthusiastic though. (My opinion is that it is better to spend the extra money at a place like L'Oumo which is just up the road, although this one little terma opens earlier than the big ones.)
2. Be on the lookout for a blonde with big enhanced breasts called Gracca at Help, she is a bit older, but very enthusiastic once she gets a bit drunk. It was my sixth day of the trip when I bumped into her, but we did it five times through the night and morning, only sleeping one hour here or there in between. (I think that she had taken a little funny coloured pill that enhances sexual enthusiasm that evening, if you catch my drift, so this one might be YMMV.)
3. In my opinion, La Cicciolina is much better value for money than Barbarellas, and while as a group the Barb girls are prettier than the La Cicciolina girls you can find some pretty good ones that are just as pretty as the Barb girls at La Cicciolina.
4. A Garota that spent the day after with me ("Tonight you pay me, but tomorrow day I will do just for fun.") told me that around Posto 8 on Ipanema is a gay area (and not gay as in fun, gay as in gay) and that therefore we should keep going further until we sat down.
Think that's it for what I can add, the Board + the Bubba Boy Guide has so much detail that it's not point in me repeating.
Fun and Sun
Is it was possible to find smi-pros on the beach in Rio. Meaning, young girls that do this for extra money but do not work at a terma or HELP (trade in high volume).
I wanted to repost the quote that originally started this discussion. I'm not sure why this debate has turned to talking about our feelings, or whether the GdP is lying about what she does. Mr. Td7777 simply asked where to find hookers on the beach that don't have more mileage on them than a '78 Ford Pinto, that's all! Even in his definition of semi-pro, he's asking for girls that accept sex for money, but do not work at high volume places like Help or the termas. Nobody denies that semi-pros aren't hookers. But can't you guys on here that reject the label of semi-pro at least agree that there's a difference between a girl that turns a couple tricks a week, and a girl that turns a couple tricks A DAY? And I thought *I* was a hardened *****monger!
Look, what I'm saying is, the newbie asked a simple question of how to find girls on the beach that haven't been ridden more times than a thoroughbred at the Kentucky Derby, that's all. We can quibble over definitions all day long, but that doesn't answer the question.
To Td7777: IMHO, Sperto gave the most helpful reply. Follow his advise and you should be fine.
El Austriaco
04-21-07, 18:44
Mr. Td7777 simply asked where to find hookers on the beach that don't have more mileage on them than a '78 Ford Pinto, that's all! Even in his definition of semi-pro, he's asking for girls that accept sex for money, but do not work at high volume places like Help or the termas. Nobody deinies that semi-pros aren't hookers. But can't you guys on here that reject the label of semi-pro at least agree that there's a difference between a girl that turns a couple tricks a week, and a girl that turns a couple tricks A DAY? And I thought *I* was a hardened *****monger!
Look, what I'm saying is, the newbie asked a simple question of how to find girls on the beach that haven't been ridden more times than a thoroughbred at the Kentucky Derby, that's all.
And that's EXACTLY why I posted: because some people seem to believe that the two things are mutually exclusive. Like many of the girls that work at the termas and Help would somehow NOT go to the beach, too. Because some guys think that they are different breeds of girls. And IMHO and in my experience, they are not, or they at least largely overlap.
Let's take hooker beach in Copacabana as an example. Many of the girls that hang out there head to Meia Pataca straight afterwards and later move on to Veranda Help. If the weather is bad, they just skip the beach. Honestly, to think that just because one meets a garota at the beach makes her anything different is really quite humorous. Just like meeting her, say, at the supermarket, the bank, or in a normal restaurant wouldn't make her a non-pro, either.
I have personally met mongers that tell me, "I like to pick girls as quickly as possible at Help after they open, because I want to be their first customer of the day". I met some of the girls they ended up with and I personally know for a fact that they work in Centro, servicing at least 5, 6 guys during the day. So much about "the first customer of the day". How do I know? Because I had fucked them the same day.
I think it was you, Ezinho, who posted, in reference to "semipro beach girls", "You'd be suprised how many of those girls work as "dancers" at the Lido clubs". You mean the stripclubs there, like Franks, etc.? If so, wow. I just don't get it: a hooker you pick up at help is a hooker, and the same hooker you pick up on the beach somehow turns into a semipro? For me, she is still a hooker on a beach.
But actually, if anything, my original post was more in response to Track Star, actually, who wrote, "The very first girl that I picked up at MP in September of 2004 on my first trip to Rio was a Semi Pro [...] and agreed to all niter for R$200. This got me thinking, "Well, he picked her up at MP, and R$ 200 sure was above the going MP rate back in September 2004, even for TLN. What makes him think she was anything else but a full-fledged hooker?"
But anyhow. My ultimate reply to the newbie question would be: "Yes, you can find girls on the beach in Rio. But ultimately, your question is pointless because you just can never be sure about their mileage or certain that they haven't been ridden more times than a thoroughbred at the Triple Stake. But if you wanna believe that they haven't and are anything else but your usual Copa garotas, sure enough, there are enough girls that will sell you that story. And they are good at selling that story, because it has been selling so well for such a long time! Remember, don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see, and good luck."
And if that sounds cynical to some, well, so be it. It sounds about right to me :)
EA
Semi-pro, pro, hardened pro, gdp, termas girl, streetwalker, whatever. Does it really matter whether the garota got banged by 10 guys last month or 100 guys? How can someone make sure she only really banged 10 guys last month(part timer)? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeese, don't even try to figure or reason that one out. No matter how you slice it or dice it, bottom line..........you are paying for a piece of ass.
Interpret ass as you wish( gfe, safada, short time, tln, etc.) This is very simple, no matter how nice, wonderful and sweet she may be( whether it is genuine or not), a man is exchanging money for pussy. Let me write this again, exchanging money for pussy. And for those who might think that a semi-pro will give a more gfe, thats not always the case, because a garota that works in a termas and gets drilled several times a day, can provide gfe with a guy they happenned to like or a guy that pays big money for the treatment. Case and point, the ever darling sweetheart of Luomo's-Ingrid. She has been drilled thousands of times over the last couple of years( maybe even months), and she is gfe all the way outside of the club. I did not even pay for her snatch, yet in my mind she is still a hooker. If you meet a gal like her on the beach, you would never know that she is a pro, she could pass as a so called semi-pro (if she wishes) as many here like to say.
By the same token, treat the ladies with respect, but please remember that ultimately you are paying for a piece of ass. Whether she has been around a while or not( in the buss.), the important thing is to try to create a comfort zone with her with the expectations that it will enhance your experience with her.
I have been told by quite a few garotas in the past that they only do this part time. What am I suppose to do, believe them or not? Well, at this point it really does not make a difference to me( it may for others, and I respect that thought). It does not make a difference to me, because I have no way of proving it, and at this point I have already lumped them in the same category of being a hooker. Keep it simple, she is a hooker. Enjoy her, enjoy it, but remember, you are paying for a piece of bunda, and theres nothing wrong with that. But trying to differentiate the pro, semi pro thing, please. Just becareful guys.
This report is mainly intended for the newbies. Unfortunately, there are some gullible people out there, and i just don't want to see them get nailed. I don't mean to bore some of you( experienced mongers) with this info.
I does not really matter how many men that the lady has been with. As long as she is clean, std free, and the experience is a pleasurable one, then voila.
Hell most of the posters on this site are mongers that have screwed hundreds of ladies not just in Brazil but around the world. I have never been asked by a gdp if I have screwed more that a dozen or so ladies. Why, because all she cares about is if I have the money for the session with her, nothing else really matters to her.
If a man is looking for low milage, maybe the gdp segment of the population is the wrong place to look.
I have my simple rules... If a girl charge money for sex, then she´s a hooker. Basta! It doesn't matter if she has 1 client/month or 15 clients/day. It doesn´t matter if she works at the pista in Jacarezinho or at Centaurus, same same.
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Sorry, I´ve to repeat a thing I wrote in September:
I would like to categorize the brazilian women:
1. Girl without no interest at all in gringos.
2. Girl with interest in gringos just because of the attraction. Just wants a romance or a sexual encounter, nothing else.
3. Girl with interest in gringos. Will be your GF and hoping for marriage.
4. Piranha. Don't charge money, but will expect fancy dinners, expensive presents and shopping.
5. Girl with a regular job. Works occasional as GP to pay her bills.
6. Full-time GP.
I would divide them as:
Non-pro: 1, 2 and 3 (no 3 almost falling into next category)
Semi-pro: 4
Pro: 5 and 6
- Paying for meals, cinema and some small presents doesn't make the girl anything else than a non-pro. This is just a way of being a gentleman.
- A semi-pro will not charge money but will insist on getting everything she points at (new dress, jewellery or a new house to her mother). If the gifts stops coming she will be gone in seconds.
- A girl becomes a pro when she starts charging money for sex.
Mr Enternational
04-22-07, 06:33
I would like to categorize the brazilian women:
1. Girl without no interest at all in gringos.
2. Girl with interest in gringos just because of the attraction. Just wants a romance or a sexual encounter, nothing else.
3. Girl with interest in gringos. Will be your GF and hoping for marriage.
4. Piranha. Don't charge money, but will expect fancy dinners, expensive presents and shopping.
5. Girl with a regular job. Works occasional as GP to pay her bills.
6. Full-time GP.
I would divide them as:
Non-pro: 1, 2 and 3 (no 3 almost falling into next category)
Semi-pro: 4
Pro: 5 and 6According to Sperto's scale my gf would not be on the scale, but if she was then she would have to be a number 2b. She couldn't be a 2 because she, like myself, likes whoever likes her (but of course I can't do AWs). Then she couldn't be a 3 because we have never even discussed marriage. I screwed with her the other day though. She asked me what I wanted for my birthday and I told her that I wanted a baby. She was like, "Wtf? I was expecting you to say a shirt or something. " Then she offered the baby for my next birthday because she knows neither one of us are ready for that now (and I doubt if I will be ready for it then either). You will never see an email like this from a 4, 5, or 6.
Subject: RE: vamos ficar.
Great! I loved it.
Just one thing. I will use 70% of my money to pay my flight and the hostel on wed, so I don't think I can pay the Hotel as well, not now. Is that ok? I will pay for the next one. We should share, dear. That's fair.
Te amo.
Bjs
See you in 13 days.
4. Piranha. Don't charge money, but will expect fancy dinners, expensive presents and shopping.
Semi-pro: 4
- Paying for meals, cinema and some small presents doesn't make the girl anything else than a non-pro. This is just a way of being a gentleman.
- A semi-pro will not charge money but will insist on getting everything she points at (new dress, jewellery or a new house to her mother). If the gifts stops coming she will be gone in seconds.
- A girl becomes a pro when she starts charging money for sex.
Negative.
A girl becomes a ho when she expects anything in exchange for sex, whether its money, meal or clothes.
There is no such thing as SEMI-pro.
There are 2 kinds of women, non-pro's and ho's.
P
hey guys! i hope i didn't stir it up too much! i'm looking at the posts and thinking about the person who logs on and has to wade through all our philosophical discussion about 'what is a ho' when all he wants is info on where to get laid.
mangera - thanks for your calming words - i guess something hit a raw nerve with me but it's not that important in the big scheme of things or at least for the remit of this forum.
now, back to business. if anyone fancies a fun experiment to 'rate yo ho's' in the next couple of months, give me a shout and we can trawl the copa beach and the beach bars together (for fun, not for ascertaining absolute or semantic truth!)
i feel i should contribute a story to justify this post so here goes.
a girl in helpee was providing me with fun conversation and seemed not bad looking. i haggled her down to r150 for the night. back to the apartment and she stripped off and her tits were somewhat disappointing. two empty sacs. but hell, she still has a cheeky smile, so what i guess as it's late is make the best of things. she says she's booked in for a breast augmentation next week. she's otherwise ok in the sack - if you'll excuse the pun - and stays around for some chitchat and a laugh in the morning. i actually negotiate with her to help me improve my forre, although i don't think the rate i'm offering for that is totally convincing to her. she lives locally.
next day she's in balcony bar, giving it attitude to the punters. she gives me a knowing smile and flirts a bit. i flirt back but am not really interested in her balcony prices (about r80+). she helps the flow of interaction with the other girls for me, and i reciprocate with friendliness. it creates a good party vibe which benefits both of us.
several days later i'm sunbathing, eyes closed, on my back on one of those benches between the road and the beach. she takes me by surprise, straddling me and tickling me. i reckon beach prices are slightly lower than balcony, and it's early in the day so if i'm interested then i know she'll fit me in before she starts work seriously. i notice she still hasn't had the tit job. she tells me her appointment's changed. i don't know whether that's true or whether it's just the speel she uses to apologise for having hardly any tits. who cares, she's polite and fun to bump into. but i've had a hard morning's work at the centro knock shops so right now i don't care even if it's free. i'll probably see her later near nogueria. if neither of us have a better offer and she wants a fun pop i'll maybe offer her r70. otherwise i'll maybe just share a beer with her for the crack. around nogueria, the more carioca friends you have, the better.
I will be in town during the month of june, and I will give you a shout, and we will go trolling for bunda in copa and/centro. Laters sir!
Sunset Strip
04-22-07, 22:45
"Yeah we tease him a lot cause we got him on the spot
Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back, welcome back"
TJ
(sorry, guys, I just could not resist)
El Austriaco
04-22-07, 23:22
You know, Bob, you really continue to impress me. Someone challenges your opinion, so what do you resort to? Any arguments to support your position? No, nothing. But apparently, you just can't agree to disagree. So you are getting sarcastic. Very nice. And then, since you are unable to support your position, an ad-hominem attack. Very mature.
As to your opinion that I am Mac, I leave it up to the other members of this board to form their own opinion. Just a quick search on my posting history will quickly reveal that I have actually posted quite a bit of info on other places: Mexico, Colombia, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, for example. When was the last time you actually posted about something new, Rio Bob?
Also, congratulations on your detective work, brilliantly deducing that since Mac was writing a dissertation and I stated that I am keeping notes on my mongering experiences, we must be the same person. Please, if you are not busy with your Help hookers, oops, semipros, go to a bookstore, and take a look at the different publications. They have different names, all right, and surprise surprise, they are not all the same person. I won't even go into the difference between a dissertation and keeping private notes.
But if you don't care to read what I write, or anyone else, for that matter, that's fine, just don't read it. Really, what's your problem, Rio Bob... can't find the time to figure out how the ignore function works here on ISG, being so busy with your one-liners? I help you out: just go to your User CP, select Buddy/Ignore list, and add "El Austriaco" to Ignore. You know, it just worked for "Rio Bob", too :)
So just chill out. Get laid, for example. You are in Rio, right?
To the others: that's the last comment I'll make on this.
EA
P.S.: to those wondering what this post refers to, I would like to clarify that Rio Bob has since removed his original posts to which I responded. Again, I leave it up to everyone to come to their own conclusions, though it appears to be quite in character for someone to resort to sarcasm snippets, make unfounded accusations, and finally delete his posts... still without offering a single piece of evidence to support his claims. Cowardly.
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