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The differences between semipro and pro are constructions in mongers' and gdps' minds. Some girls are shameless safadas who chose this as a lucrative career path. Some don't do it full time, and work at regular jobs to create a cover for family / friends. Some are just open to hooking a rich gringo if the opportunity arises. Yes, they are still fucking for financial gain. Why this is so hard to understand eludes me.
Maybe the "semipro" identity comes from the "I'm not a puta" self perception most brasileiras who are available to northerners maintain. They have less money than you. Therefore, you, a comparitively wealthy man, should provide for her. She rationalizes that she isn't a hooker.
I was once asked inside of L'uomo by the girl I had just fucked if I thought she was a prostitute. Huh? Answer=yes. She started crying. I then explained that I thought she was a great person and didn't think anything less of her for her for the work she did. She felt much better when she knew that I understood she was an actual person with feelings.
I have my simple rules... If a girl charge money for sex, then she´s a hooker. Basta! It doesn't matter if she has 1 client/month or 15 clients/day. It doesn´t matter if she works at the pista in Jacarezinho or at Centaurus, same same.
Sorry, this is the posting I was responding to.
Seduce a girl. If you can. Fuck her without paying her. Of course, if you could do this, you wouldn't be paying her. But, I mean, get to know a hooker on a REAL level. Which means that she is not using you for money.
Ask her, when you are not her client, how she feels about P4P.
And she will tell you that she has to keep showering and showering and showering afterward. "I feel sick of him, and sick of myself, and I keep showering because I feel like I can't get him off my skin."
And ask her, "But when you're in the cabine, you keep shouting and throwing your pussy around like you love it."
"Of course."
"Why? Because you want him to think you really like him?"
"No. Because he'll come quicker."
Every newbie walks out of Rio going, "Man, these girls LOVE to fuck."
And she has to shower and shower to feel clean again.
Who thinks that taking her out of the terma makes her your "girlfriend? " Who thinks that makes everything "special? "
You wanna know if she's a pro or not? Did she fuck you because she wanted to, for you, without your "money? " What else did she want?
If you're not capable of fucking girls who look like this where you come from, don't think you're a GOD here. It's the same game, all over the world.
JC
Dodger Bulldog
04-23-07, 05:07
It always seemed to me that the term "semi-pro" is a huge misnomer.
Just because they have another job, or are kept women, or only do it sometimes, it really doesn't matter. As long as they are in this game at all, they are "pros."
"Part-time pro" seems to be a MUCH more accurate description than "semi-pro," doesn't it?
Not that it matters, as I prefer a "pro's pro" any day. That would be one who makes you feel so f'ing good that all of this debate becomes irrelevant!
DB
SlickdySlick
04-23-07, 16:54
I have been trying not to post about this topic of Semi-Pro and Pro cause I really don't understand why it matters. If you had the choice to fuck a virgin with a bad attitude or Ingrid has been with hundreds of guys but its always a great fuck, which would you take?
I had to chime in on Jesuscola post which I find to be alittle off base at best. If you can seduce a girl and fuck for free we would do that humm. Like no dude we wouldn't! I don't want to be tied down to some chick while I am in Rio. And the girl having to shower and shower but still can't get him off my skin LOL Where did you pick that up Oprah? You telling me that is what the GDPs are saying, the same GDPs that I have to kick out of my apt cause they just won't leave! Dude I am a GOD in Rio in fact I am a GOD at home too and my gospel is 50 real notes baby! When pass through fighting GDPs on my way to the bar I pretty sure it is what Moses felt like parting the Red Sea. And when he said "Let My People Go" me being God I responded "Naw Dogg these Bitches is staying with me."
Track Star
04-23-07, 18:05
Hey Hey Guys,
You commentators to my post are right..I could never know for sure whether this girl was a semi pro, part time hoe, part-timer..or call it whatever you will.
I appreciate that u guys got the discussion going and you get involved etc..ie ..that it "stirred up your juices."
But still think about it..does it matter? NO!! it does not..what really mattered is that Track Star got to use his pecker, had a good time @ in his mind the right price.
Rio is about living the life, enjoy sex and blow off some testosterone. To really drain your balls good.
It does not take extreme analysis or an Einstein IQ to do this. I could care less what the girls are as long as they are friendly and puts out great service and provides and outlet for some good ball drainage. Then I am hep hep heppy = happy.
Remember overanalysis creates paralysis. Rio is about letting the good times roll and having the blast of a lifetime that only Rio can provide.
This is one of the stupidess things I have ever heard. EA is definitely not Mac. Normally I would list points as to why he is not Mac. In this case it is not even worth bothering, the proposal is so fuc*king stupid.
Mr Enternational
04-23-07, 21:13
my gospel is 50 real notes baby! When pass through fighting GDPs on my way to the bar I pretty sure it is what Moses felt like parting the Red Sea. And when he said "Let My People Go" me being God I responded "Naw Dogg these Bitches is staying with me."Amen. Preach on brother!
EA has posted many high quality reports and excellent snippets of information. Mac never did any of this and always restricted his posts to saying that he knew the scene, and telling us what fools all of us are. If you never have read one of the posts of Mac, you can get a feeling for his drivel by scrolling down about 6 posts and read the post by Jesuscola. (I am not going to quote it here; it really does not warrant any additional attention). Exec Talent: I really have a hard time understanding why you though that this was a report of distinction.
OK, end of my rant. Now bring it on, Jesus of coca cola.
Just when you think you've heard it all.....
My first trip was 5 yrs ago. I had found some info on the net. My wingman, was totally lost. He had no clue. My wingman, is 6'02 eyes of blue and blonde. Me, I blend in.
As newbies are want to do, we found ourselves in Barbarella. He met a stacked blonde there. They hit it off, were together most of the week. He only paid her once. She never asked him again for money, nor did she hit him up for anything else: shopping sprees, fancy restaurants, etc..
They kept in touch and hooked up on subsequent trips, again she never asked him for money. Eventually, they fizzled out, because he couldn't handle her working at Barbarela.
On another trip, we both met this cute petite morena. She really like my wingman. She was a completa with him and I'm not sure if she charged him. Me, I had to pay.
Fast forward a few trips, my wingman meets another lovely on the beach. (I'm not sure which section, as I was not with him when they met.) She totally denies being a pro, semi or otherwise.
He later sees her at Help, ( a red flag.) They hook up, and hit it off big time. Another one that never asked him for any money. This one lasted a couple of years. He even took her out of Brazil a couple of times. When he would visit, he stayed in her apartment months at time. It was during those times, when his suspicions were aroused. She would get foreign phone calls in the middle of the night. Just old friends, she would say. He began to snoop and found out things.
This woman, who to this day denies being on the program, was international, and had "lovers" in several European countries and the US. He frequently would lose contact with her. Visiting relatives, or working outside of Rio, she would say. He suspected the other guys were in town. My wingman even suspected that she may have "worked" in Europe. You'll rarely see her at Help, never at Ho beach.
Her game was/is, she appears as a total non-pro, never asks for money, starts a GF/BF relationship. (She's your GF, and you want to support your GF, don'tcha?)
I guess my point is you just never know about that garota you just met. She may like your looks and give it up for free, and still be a hard core pro to others.
Me, I'm of the opinion, if you want a job done right, hire a PRO. If you're looking for something less than a pro, Rio (or Bangkok, or the Phillipines,) is not the place to look.
Those three chicks that I mentioned, if you saw them on the street, you would not think they were hard core, but they are.
OK, end of my rant. Now bring it on, Jesus of coca cola.LOL. It's like telling kids there's no Santa Claus. What's your reason? Do you want to spoil their fantasy? No. Let 'em believe what they need to.
That's why I haven't said anything for more than ten years. But, at some point, when you know better, you find it hard to NOT say something.
Did that hurt you? Or did you already know? Look, I wish you the best in Rio. I just want to help guys find out what that is.
Best of luck,
Jesus of Coca Cola (any idea why that's my nick? It's a Brazilian thing...)
JC
This is a transcript of an MSN chat, translated from the original Portugeuse. The girl used to work at 4x4 until last month.
HB: When I got to the party yesterday
HB: My Mom was hitting on everybody
[Her mother is still mourning her father, and goes around sleeping with everybody.
In HB's words, "My mom sleeps with everybody, but she still cries for my dad."]
JC: I know...sometimes it's like that when love doesn't work out...
HB: But I can't do that! Sleeping with everybody is different!
JC: LOL. Yeah, I know. [Keep in mind, this is a girl who worked as a hooker]
HB: One time, I tried, but I thought...
JC: But sometimes your body wants someone, but your heart doesn't want to let someone else in
JC: It's sad, but it's like that sometimes...
HB: I couldn't do it because he seemed strange
HB: He didn't kiss well.
HB: It's not as good as it is with the person you love.
JC: This was since you went back home?
JC: Yeah, that's true.
HB: What?
JC: It's always better with love.
JC: You tried to be with someone since me?
HB: To pick up someone else.
JC: What? You said you tried to get with someone else. When?
HB: I tried to pickup someone else?
JC: Yes.
HB: Yes.
JC: Ah, since me.
HB: But I couldn't
HB: With you?
JC: What?
HB: When you said you didn't want to go out with me, there, I tried.
JC: I understand
JC: That's fine
HB: 1 time there, and 1 time here
JC: Ah, ok.
JC: It's natural to think like that, I think
HB: Remember, I told you! [Don't remember, don't really care]
JC: I think, sometimes, you think you'll feel better after, but sometimes, you just feel worse.
HB: Worse!
JC: Yeah
HB: I felt like a sperm receptacle!
JC: LOL. Ah, my God.
JC: But I understand completely
JC: You stayed with him but you didn't like it
HB: Yes
JC: Rsrsrs
HB: He didn't know how to pick me up!
HB: I'm embarrassed!
JC: So you did stay with someone else since me
JC: I understand [She had been maintaining all along that she hadn't been with anyone since me, and I'd been encouraging her to find someone]
HB: There, yes
HB: Here, I couldn't have sex with him
JC: Okay. But here, you had sex for free?
HB: More or less
JC: LOL [Which in Brazil is either "KKKKKK" or "KIKIKI" or "KAKAKAKA"]
HB: He wanted to be my boyfriend
JC: More or less? It's one or the other.
JC: Crazy
HB: Crazy, no
JC: Rsrsrs
HB: There are things that are worth it to have sex without money
JC: I wanted to know if you felt the same as if you'd done a program, but without money, like, it felt the same as when you fuck a client, but without the money, understand?
HB: He gave me things that are worth money.
JC: How so?
JC: I didn't see you with anything like that.
HB: He gave me a necklace, and before I knew you, he gave me money to go out with my friends.
JC: Okay.
JC: But when you felt horrible, after the sex, is it the same way you felt after doing a program?
HB: It was always a program!
HB: Don't confuse things! [She may be telling herself this, but I'm sure she wants to try to remove the stigma for my benefit]
JC: Look, you stayed with him because of what he gave you, even though he didn't ask for sex, or you thought it might make your heart feel better?
HB: If I had done a program with you, I would have always treated you like a client, even though it was the two of us.
JC: I don't understand
JC: Or you don't understand
HB: I am not understanding
HB: You mixed everything up
JC: It doesn't matter to me that you stayed with him.
HB: I know!
JC: I want to know what you were thinking, why you did it, and what you felt
HB: When I stayed with the guy here for free, I felt really bad
JC: I understand
HB: But there, it was always a program
HB: Did you already forget that girl? [No idea what she's talking about, she's just trying to change the subject]
JC: But did you feel better after you stayed with the guy for free than you did after a program? Or the same?
JC: Which girl?
HB: What?
HB: When I do a program, I don't think much.
JC: When you do a program, you feel better? Less used? Because you're using him too? Or you feel the same as when you stayed with the guy you didn't like?
JC: I'm not a woman, I'm never going to do a program, but I want to know what you feel
JC: That's why I'm asking
HB: Oh, okay
HB: I can't speak for everyone, but I think of the money I'll get afterward
JC: When you do a program, you're thinking about the money?
HB: Yes.
JC: And you feel less bad.
HB: Because if I thought about myself, I wouldn't do it
HB: Yes
JC: But when you stayed with the guy for free it was because you were trying to feel better, but after you felt worse. Why is it not the same?
HB: You feel like merchandise and sometimes afterward, I keep showering for a long time
JC: Yeah I know. And after you, a lot of other girls have told me the same thing.
JC: One girl has done it for 4 years, and every time, she has to shower and shower and shower afterward
HB: You know, when you're conquered, you feel better because you don't have to worry about making someone cum. [I love that she used the word "conquered"]
JC: LOL
JC: I understand
HB: Understand?
JC: Completely
HB: I like to watch you cum, and then after, you kiss me.
JC: LOL
JC: That's very beautiful
HB: I don't like to be used.
JC: I know.
HB: I understood why so many of the girls turn lesbian [There is a rather significant fraction of girls who go lesbian after years in the business]
JC: Yeah? Why?
HB: Because women take better care of you, and they understand. Men are never there.
JC: Because you always feel used with men, you have to make him cum, and you don't feel loved in return?
HB: I never felt used with you.
JC: Yeah, of course, I know
JC: But with clients, yes, so then you start to think differently about men?
HB: But the men look at us like carnivores
HB: Yes.
JC: Yes
JC: With men, you start to feel used
JC: One more man, one more dick, one more orgasm
HB: Men have the ability to diferentiate the two things
JC: Women don't?
HB: All men have a desire for the flesh, here you can have more than one woman.
JC: Yes
HB: Not me
JC: Understand
HB: In Brazil, all men cheat, but deny it until the death
JC: One girl told me that after staying with 8 guys in a day, she feels crazy [actually, girls have told me that about lesser numbers of guys]
JC: But a lot of guys would feel like that is paradise
HB: I can't feel like that
JC: I understand
HB: I feel really bad, I get depressed
JC: yeah
HB: Things aren't supposed to happen quickly, there have to be steps
JC: Yeah, of course
HB: Girls who do programs forget that
JC: A guy can have sex one minute after seeing a girl, but women need time...steps...
JC: How do they forget, I don't understand
HB: Depends
HB: I think women who do programs forget there are steps in life
HB: Women don't like to have a lot of men, they like to be loved, protected, taken care of, to be happy without having a reason [I like that last part]
JC: Depends on what? A woman can be ready for sex with a guy just seeing him?
HB: Love, I went upstairs with Felipe one time [This guy is in love and hates me because she's in love with me], and he treated me as if I were a rose.
JC: Rsrsrsrs
HB: And I started liking him
JC: Yeah
HB: Even without sex [This guy paid to take her to a room but didn't have sex with her. I guess he wanted to be "romantic". She says he called her 23 times her first day back.]
HB: Women like to be loved.
JC: Yeah, I know
HB: Here in Sao Luis, every afternoon, the old people sit in the doorway of their houses as if they were boyfriend and girlfriend
JC: Rsrsrsrs
HB: But all the old men have more than 1 girlfriend
JC: LOL
HB: Here in the northeast, women are very passive
[Clip some bullshit thread about some damned commercial I haven't seen and doesn't matter, I cut back with:]
JC: But, it's like this, Felipe loves you, but you don't like him...do you know why?
HB: Because you conquered me.
JC: LOL
JC: But I did and he didn't. Why?
HB: We can't understand everything
HB: Because women are unexplainable
[Clip more non pertinent stuff]
HB: I think I love you because I fight to stay by your side
JC: Could be
HB: If you were easy, I don't think I'd want you
HB: The human mind is very diferentiated, if you want something a lot, and this thing could be yours, then it gives you the will to get it, but if you fight for a long time, and the mind gets tired, you learn to like something else
JC: That's true
JC: Wow, I like this conversation
HB: You never asked me anything
JC: Well, we never had much time. We were always having sex
HB: LOL.
HB: Love, when I'm with you, I forget everything else.
[Some bullshit here about sex. She keeps thinking that she's in love with me because I made her cum so much. I try to tell her the biggest sex organ is the mind and THAT'S why I make her come so much. Not my dick. She goes with this:]
HB: But it all goes together!
HB: If you had a small dick, I don't think I would love you.
Best of luck,
JC
Hiring a pro is great. You pay and you get her service.
Getting a free session from a pro is even greater.
But why choose a pro as your girlfriend?
Brazil has tons of regular girls that would love to have a gringo as a boyfriend. OK, some will expect marriage/leaving Brazil and others want nothing in return. With all these available regular girls I can't see any reason to choose a pro as your girlfriend.
Spending all the time in Copacabana will definitely limit the opportunities to meet regular girls. Exploring the rest of Rio and you will find them. Discover the rest of Brazil and you´ll meet them everywhere.
Personally I like the mixture of regular girls and pro's. When I travel around in Brazil I meet old GFs, find new ones and have a good portion of pro's.
This is my first post on this site so forgive me if I mess up in certain areas.
I have been a Rio regular for nearly seven years, roughly seven trips in all. I own a condo in Recife so I spent four days there and finished up the trip with three days in Rio.
I got in this past Tuesday night and went to the Balcony. I have always understood that the talent is less than great, but it is a very relaxed atmosphere that I enjoy. In the past, I always found that there were some gems you could find. Not so this time. Very bad in terms of talent. Some who were in there I just could not believe. I've never understood why this place couldn't upgrade in terms of talent but its gotten worse, at least based on my experience in my few days. I moved on to Terraco Atlantico. Certainly an improvement in talent but, I daresay, I still feel that the overall talent level has dropped notably. Nonetheless, I always enjoy the environment. I moved on to Help and found more selection and talent but, again, compared to the past, I perceive a significant decline. I stayed nearly until closing. Curously, some of the better talent was still around at the end. There was one in particular I really liked but couldn't' find a way of approching. I found a morena in a denim mini who was dancing quite a bit. Excellent bod but not that photogenic. I have always been reluctant to go with girls in miniskirts, as I have always felt they can hide significant flaws. In the case of this girl, I saw her a few days later at the Balcony in shorts, and she was all there, if you know what I mean. Still, I just got a bad vibe and when she told me for the second time she needed to visit a friend before leaving, I found a girl with short dyed-blond hair I had been eyeing all night. She agreed to go with me but just at that moment, the morena came and was angry. She told me she wanted me to pay her anyway. Right. I winked at the blond and went outside. She came out a few minutes later and we went to the apartment. She was excellent in every respect and was truly PO'ed when I wanted to stop, Just a great attitude. We did it again when we awoke in the morning for a more extended session. No price quoted. I simply left some and she made no comment.
I went to the beach the second day. Pretty good talent but I have always found making approaches to be difficult. Found another American guy and had a good time shooting the breeze. Watch for the guys that rent chairs. They will try to rip you off. If anyone has suggestions on beach approaches, I would be grateful. I have always found them difficult.
I went back to the Balcony a bit later. This time I was overwhelmed with how poor the talent was. I drank a lot of beer, read a book, and stared at the beach. Again, a relaxed setting, but if you are looking for a hook-up you are likely to be disappointed.
I went back to Atlantico and the scene was identical to the previous night. I noticed that there is a garota that looks a bit like Beyonce with a super bod that goes around with an entourage greeting various people. I couldn't help thinking to myself that, if the talent level hadn't slipped so much, people would instantly write her off. I certainly did.
The talent was a little better at Help that night. Throughout my first two days, I was amazed that there was not one girl I recognized from the last time I was in Rio two years ago. It seems the turnover is very high. Nonetheless, I was pulled aside at Help by a girl I spent a lot of time with in 2003 (two trips). I didn't recognize her but the memories came back. I wasn't that keen on her but I was tired and drank a lot of beer that day so I decided to go with her. I wasn't disappointed. She still had a great body, very large natural breasts and a perfect bunda. She had cut her hair fairly short, which to me has detracted from her looks. Still a great girl from Minas Gerais. Wants to be a beautician and going to school. Hopes to get out of the game and I hope she succeeds. She had kind of a flaky personality but just great in all ways. Great sex that night and even better in the morning. We got up late and she finally left at noon. I left a donation that she didn't' even count.
I went back to the beach the next day and found a similar scene to the previous day. Went back to the Balcony and was again stunned at the lack of talent. Met a nice American guy and had a nice convo. I went to Terraco Atlantico and then to Help. Believe it or not, I found I had lost my apartment key at 1AM. Totally fucked. Had to find a hotel to crash as the guard could do nothing.
The next day was my day to leave town. I got back an apartment and went to Meia Pataca for lunch. I have always found MP to be a bit of a challenge as you must fight off the ones you are not interested in and try to contact those with whom you do have interest. Such was the case. There were a couple garotas at the next table who were attractive but not of a level rising to interest for me. Had to keep them at bay. Then I noticed a dark beauty with the most gorgeous bunda I have seen in a long time. I made it a point to achieve eye contact from a distance a few times. She finally came to the next table and introduced herself. She wanted to know if I was interested in her sister as well, who was seated at the table. It was tempting, as the sister was even better looking, but I said no. We went back to my apartment and had a great time. I must admit that I was intimidated by being witth a girl with such a great bunda, but she was really cool. I was regretful that my time was short and I had to leave.
All in all, Rio is still a good experience. The exchange rate sucks now and price have incerased everywhere, even at Bob's Hamburgers. So its not the bargain trip it used to be. And I am absolutely convinced that the talent has declined. I would be grateful for an explanation from a vet. But its still a great time. I always find myself saying this is the last time but, upon reflection when I arriive home, I am plotting my next trip.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Hiring a pro is great. You pay and you get her service.
Getting a free session from a pro is even greater.
But why choose a pro as your girlfriend?
Brazil has tons of regular girls that would love to have a gringo as a boyfriend. OK, some will expect marriage/leaving Brazil and others want nothing in return. With all these available regular girls I can't see any reason to choose a pro as your girlfriend.
Spending all the time in Copacabana will definitely limit the opportunities to meet regular girls. Exploring the rest of Rio and you will find them. Discover the rest of Brazil and you´ll meet them everywhere.
Personally I like the mixture of regular girls and pro's. When I travel around in Brazil I meet old GFs, find new ones and have a good portion of pro's.Agreed and well said. When I'm on vacation and a lovely lady wants to spend time with me, I'm down. But I'm going to know what it's about from the beginning and not get played.
JC
I have always been reluctant to go with girls in miniskirts, as I have always felt they can hide significant flaws.
I might be a bit slow. What do you mean?
SlickdySlick
04-24-07, 16:26
Sperto,
I maybe speaking out of turn but for me the nini skirt flares out and stops right at the point where the ass should be coming back to the thighs there for you cant really see the true shape of the bunda like with deans or mid length skirts. IMHO
Jesuscola my friend you are the Barry Bonds of dumb post and you just knocked another one into the cheap seats!
Just so I get this straight you posted a chat that would SUPPOSE to have had to prove exactly what? That you can speak Port very well and likely have lived in Brazil a long time or might even be Brazilian and you can only still manage to pull Hooker girlfriends? very sad my friend, but I am eagerly awaiting you walk off grandslam of a post that is sure to follow soon.
I was going to say that Jesuscola post was the dumbest I ever read but then the one about EA being Mac has got you beat, but keep trying I sure we have not come close to tapping into the extreme source of your dumbness.
Jesus of Coca Cola (any idea why that's my nick? It's a Brazilian thing...)
JC
In Maranhao there is guarana Jesus, so I believe that there is Cola too.
P
In Maranhao there is guarana Jesus, so I believe that there is Cola too.
PBingo! Good eye ;)
Sperto,
I maybe speaking out of turn but for me the nini skirt flares out and stops right at the point where the ass should be coming back to the thighs there for you cant really see the true shape of the bunda like with deans or mid length skirts. IMHO
Jesuscola my friend you are the Barry Bonds of dumb post and you just knocked another one into the cheap seats!
Just so I get this straight you posted a chat that would SUPPOSE to have had to prove exactly what? That you can speak Port very well and likely have lived in Brazil a long time or might even be Brazilian and you can only still manage to pull Hooker girlfriends? very sad my friend, but I am eagerly awaiting you walk off grandslam of a post that is sure to follow soon.
I was going to say that Jesuscola post was the dumbest I ever read but then the one about EA being Mac has got you beat, but keep trying I sure we have not come close to tapping into the extreme source of your dumbness.LOL! I didn't post it because it had anything to do with ME. I posted it because it illustrates, in a girl's own words, how she feels about doing programs, how she feels about fucking some random guy for free, and how she feels about staying with the guy she wants. Whoever that guy may be.
Glad you got it.
Or glad you enjoyed it in whatever fashion.
I thought it was an interesting glimpse into the psychology. But I will restrict my discussion of hooker psychology in the future.
Exec Talent
04-25-07, 15:22
Exec Talent: I really have a hard time understanding why you though that this was a report of distinction.
OK, end of my rant. Now bring it on, Jesus of coca cola.
On more than one occasion someone has put a screw 'em but don't love 'em post in the reports of distinction. I think there should be some balance and a reality check from the other side. I know a lot of the girls pretty well and can tell you Jesus' post was right on. Time after time I overhear comments about how much a certain girl was into it. Reality check time.
Most of the girls in Rio do what they do for one reason. Money. Occasionally they meet a guy who knows what he is doing in bed. From what I hear, that is a rarity. Reality check time.
On more than one occasion someone has put a screw 'em but don't love 'em post in the reports of distinction. I think there should be some balance and a reality check from the other side. I know a lot of the girls pretty well and can tell you Jesus' post was right on. Time after time I overhear comments about how much a certain girl was into it. Reality check time.
Most of the girls in Rio do what they do for one reason. Money. Occasionally they meet a guy who knows what he is doing in bed. From what I hear, that is a rarity. Reality check time.
Exec talent: much appreciated.
When I'm down in Rio, I meet so many guys--young guys--who tell me they hate their lives back home, and they work 60 hours per week, just so they can get back to Rio that much sooner. That Rio is what they live for. And those are usually the same guys who will tell you how much these girls just love to fuck.
Now, if that's how you choose to spend your life, that's up to you. But, know what you're actually getting. And look at what you're paying for it. Not just in terms of money, but your time, your dreams, your direction, your life.
And think about putting at least some of that time, dream, energy, into actually improving yourself and your life. This is tougher. You have to be willing to confront your deepest self, your insecurities, your anger, your jealousy, and your fears. You have to be willing to abandon your illusions, about yourself, women, life. But you will find, when you do this, that the same qualities women are actually attracted to--not what they say, but what they really respond to--are the same qualities that will make you more effective in your life overall.
Rio is a vacation from reality. This is a journey into reality.
But you'll find it much more rewarding in the long run. You will have earned a good life, instead of buying an illusion. Your relationships in all of your life will have changed, and for the better.
And you'll still be free to go to Rio and bang hookers. ; ) but you'll know what it's worth. You'll have more choice.
I'm not trying to slam anyone. There's a lot of information--free information, probably more than at any time in history--out there on how to improve your interactions with women. Do a search. The journey is worth it.
Just don't throw your life away on an illusion without knowing what you're really getting.
Okay, I'll quit now.
JC
SlickdySlick
04-25-07, 18:57
Ok now it gets better the chat had nothing to do with you? So where did you get some OTHER guys personal chat from or is it an imaginary chat.
A million guys go to Rio to Fuck hookers some of those guys fall in love or lust what ever it may be.
A million girls come to RIo to make money fucking some of them fall in love or into greed what ever the case maybe .
To sum all these people up in one girls chat with some guy is very general to say the least.
My advice is never give ANYONE hooker, best friend, family member, whoever anything you are not willing to part with and you will not be dissappointed. Some peoples limits are R200.00 (that would be me) some are higher, you need to know your own limits. Then judge each situation on its on merits.
Here is a question for you Jesus umm umm Jesus Cola (hmmm JC in the phantom chat but it was not about you, I digress) I had a hooker come from help stayed all night gave R200.00 and she gave it back and left me her phone number and left. I personally have no idea why? Since you are deep into the minds of hookers what do you think?
When I'm down in Rio, I meet so many guys--young guys--who tell me they hate their lives back home, and they work 60 hours per week, just so they can get back to Rio that much sooner. That Rio is what they live for. And those are usually the same guys who will tell you how much these girls just love to fuck.
And think about putting at least some of that time, dream, energy, into actually improving yourself and your life. This is tougher. You have to be willing to confront your deepest self, your insecurities, your anger, your jealousy, and your fears. You have to be willing to abandon your illusions, about yourself, women, life. But you will find, when you do this, that the same qualities women are actually attracted to--not what they say, but what they really respond to--are the same qualities that will make you more effective in your life overall.
Rio is a vacation from reality. This is a journey into reality.
And you'll still be free to go to Rio and bang hookers. ; )
JC
You can count me as one of those in the sub group, although not as young. (308 in dog years)
(I think I've seen you: the crown of thorns and the cola can in your hand give you away.) Hey, anything you can do about the current exchange rate would be really appreciated.
Turning my vacation into a Reality.
Thank you Jesus :)
Ok now it gets better the chat had nothing to do with you? So where did you get some OTHER guys personal chat from or is it an imaginary chat.
A million guys go to Rio to Fuck hookers some of those guys fall in love or lust what ever it may be.
A million girls come to RIo to make money fucking some of them fall in love or into greed what ever the case maybe .
To sum all these people up in one girls chat with some guy is very general to say the least.
My advice is never give ANYONE hooker, best friend, family member, whoever anything you are not willing to part with and you will not be dissappointed. Some peoples limits are R200.00 (that would be me) some are higher, you need to know your own limits. Then judge each situation on its on merits.
Here is a question for you Jesus umm umm Jesus Cola (hmmm JC in the phantom chat but it was not about you, I digress) I had a hooker come from help stayed all night gave R200.00 and she gave it back and left me her phone number and left. I personally have no idea why? Since you are deep into the minds of hookers what do you think?Lol! Fun stuff. I didn't say it WASN'T me. I just said that was not the point in posting it. My focus was on something else. I'm sensing another Barry Bonds in the house.
As for the Help girl, sounds like she liked you. Feel better?
Take what you want from it, or don't take it at all. Your choice. I won't be drawn into a pointless discussion.
Hi Jesuscola,
Just read your "chat with a hooker. " message. Nice. It does give some insight into what "our" Garotas may think or feel. Also thanks for that other post. ". Interactions with women. Etc. "
This is a transcript of an MSN chat, translated from the original Portugeuse. The girl used to work at 4x4 until last month.
HB: When I got to the party yesterday
HB: etc.
JCOf course they are human beings with feelings, thoughts and desires, in that respect not much different from you and me. But they are in different position financially, socially and geographically. They are trying to make the best of it, just like you and I would do, when we would be a young brazilian woman in their position. Of course there is the option to work in a supermarket for 350 R$ per month, if you can find that job, that is. But being a GDP you can make that much in a day. So some people choose that.
I think there are many different ways that people view other people, the world around them, reality or in fact GDPs. I guess that there are plenty mongers that look for quick GDP satisfaction, comparable to eating fastfood or a hamburger when you are hungry. Then there are those that are also interested in them as a person, in their life, in sharing something more, or some form of friendship, even if perhaps only briefly. Personally I am more of that latter type. When I spend time with a woman, in whatever way, GDP or not, I have my attention on how they feel. This is not only about chemistry, it also depends on intention. When I receive a woman in my (rented) Rio apartment I make sure the place looks nice and is clean. Sometimes I light candles, in other words, create atmosphere. I start of with offering a massage and then try my best (but still limited) portuguese and get to know them a bit. Everybody can have it their way, but this at least is my preference. When with a GDP I like things a little classy, relaxed, no hurry, at ease, some music, some humor, some fun. You'd be surprised how positive they can respond to this. I have learned a lot from some girlfriends in the past, when I told them that I really really wanted to know EXACTLY what they loved, what exited them, how they wanted to be touched, be treated, what they look for in a man, etc. When with a GDP it's no different for me. I do realize that there is this element of P4P, but that does not mean that it needs to be restricted to that. Of course there is plenty room for confusion, so that's why some people say don't mix business (GDP) with friendship. However I believe that nothing in life is that black and white. In fact these things are blending over all the time. So it does interest me how people (us and the GDPs) deal with these situations, without labeling any specific way as better or worse. We can all learn from each other.
I thought it was an interesting glimpse into the psychology. But I will restrict my discussion of hooker psychology in the future.So, as far as I am concerned, there is no need to restrict any of your or other's insights into GDP psychology.
Dutch44
PS: I am in Rio next week. Will try and send some reports.
Ok now it gets better the chat had nothing to do with you? So where did you get some OTHER guys personal chat from or is it an imaginary chat.
A million guys go to Rio to Fuck hookers some of those guys fall in love or lust what ever it may be.
A million girls come to RIo to make money fucking some of them fall in love or into greed what ever the case maybe .
To sum all these people up in one girls chat with some guy is very general to say the least.
My advice is never give ANYONE hooker, best friend, family member, whoever anything you are not willing to part with and you will not be dissappointed. Some peoples limits are R200.00 (that would be me) some are higher, you need to know your own limits. Then judge each situation on its on merits.
Here is a question for you Jesus umm umm Jesus Cola (hmmm JC in the phantom chat but it was not about you, I digress) I had a hooker come from help stayed all night gave R200.00 and she gave it back and left me her phone number and left. I personally have no idea why? Since you are deep into the minds of hookers what do you think?Let's get to the end of this as quickly as possible.
You respond to this completely objectively, without emotion, and have zero ego investment in response to these comments. Obviously not true for you. My apologies.
Throw your hands in the air, 'cause you's a true player!
Enjoy your time in Rio.
Mr Enternational
04-26-07, 04:51
I had a hooker come from help stayed all night gave R200.00 and she gave it back and left me her phone number and left. I personally have no idea why? Since you are deep into the minds of hookers what do you think?Could it have been a "buy 10 get 1 free" deal?
Gentlemen!
This discussion seems to be as old as the forum.
Let me remind you of few points:
1. DO NOT fall in love with a GDP
2. NO matter how much you wish that she's in love with you, that's not the case. Its the content of your WALLET she's after
3. Brasilian GDP's are the BEST actressess in their business
4. Once a ho, always a Ho
5. You can't turn a ho into a girlfriend
These above points do not rule out that you couldn't treat the girls with respect, but remember EVEN IF GDP RETURNS YOUR MONEY SHE DID IT FOR YOUR MONEY!!!
There are so many suckers in the game. You'd be surprised how many of these girls have fooled guys into sending money to them.
SlickdySlick
04-26-07, 15:25
Dude,
You made some over the top statement about hooker not being able to shower enough to wash the guys off on them. I just said that was over the top and if everyone looks back at the post I still say its over the top. Then you back it up with this chat posting which has it occured to you that girl might have been saying what you wanted to hear. I am sure she would not tell a guy she is doing for free which means she likely has feeling for you that she loves getting banged in the cabine? Asmy point about the girl who left the money No I dont think she liked me I clearly staed I have no idea why she left it thats the point we all have no idea what these girl are thinking and you sure can sum them up in one MSN chat.
I personally dont do the girlfriend thing hell a rarely bang the same chick twice period. Thats why I clearly stated in my first post I was staying out of it. But your first post was clearly way over the top.
I hesitate to add an opposing opinion to the recent posts about falling for a GDP. I have twice and do not regret it. There are so many factors.
We all know they do P4P and normally do not get attached. Some of them like the life, use drugs, hang out together, live 4-8 per apartment and this is their life. The two I came to know both were professional, they came to work, earned their money, went home, supported their families. They did not like the work, they wanted out. BUT they still need money. Both never used drugs. One had children, one did not. Both do not want to come to USA to live (neither do I).
I married one of them and was with her for 5 years, she is still my best friend, we talk all the time about everything. She has a regular job now and is not in the life. At times she thinks that it would be easy money, but so far has not gone back to that life, she knows there is no future in it. When we divorced she did not want one penny, nothing.
The one I am with now, I support her, quite a bit. I know what I can afford and that is not an issue for me. I do ask why she stays with me. Her response is that I am a good person, nice to her, I give her security. At times I do feel I am a father figure to both of them, but I can live with that. I provide security for them, and they provide sex for me, and as you all know, there is a lot of that compared to american women. She asks why I stay with her, I my answer is that she is fun to be with, is young, likes sex, likes to talk about life and situations. I know her and all of her family, we go to family outings, etc. So she gets security, I get a nice wife. One other thing to use as a test, is the relationship getting better or worse.. in both my cases, it gets better with time. I could not say that for my marriages in America.
So, have I fallen in love with a GDP, perhaps. I do like the life. My american wife had sex with me like once a year, and at the divorce, what I gave her is a fraction of what I would end up supporting the girl here.
I have no doubt that if I stopped staying with the current girl, she will return to being a GDP, unless we get a business up and running for her, which is her dream. She does not like the GDP life and will talk openlly to me about it. She will help my gringo friends know which GDPs will rob or steal from you or which will be honest and nice (no sex performance rating thogh). Some of you know me and my GF/wife.
All that said. Most of the posts you see about guys sending money, they are mostly true, many just want a guy to come and go away. But if you are here full time, you can find someone to be with, is it Love? that is an age old question. You can wonder about that with an american wife just as well.
I post this once in a while and get a lot of PMs that others do the same but just do not want to get flamed. I like to give some optimisism to some. A good girl can be found and you can be happy with them. As someone said, you do have to know your limits.
So if you think you want to get a permanent relationship I would suggest:
1. Find out if they do drugs.
2.. Ask why they are a GDP, understand their situation.
3.. Learn who they hang out with, talk to other mongers if they know her.
4.. Build trust over time, ask why they are with you, it better be a good answer.
5.. Do not sell your house, investments to support someone, only spend what you can affort.
6.. If you do not support her to what she thinks is adaquate, she will continue to work. They have a very inflated view of what they earn, figure they just multiply their daily rate by 30, that is probably what they will want.
7. Let them know that at times you want other women, just for sex, this is a tough one, but it will work out, especially if you are smart enough to get them to bring up the idea (like when they are tired or menstrating). This does work.
So that is some balance, some will try this and get burned. But no difference than marrage in the USA, except you have a hot brazilian instead of an american princess.
Exec talent: much appreciated.
When I'm down in Rio, I meet so many guys--young guys--who tell me they hate their lives back home, and they work 60 hours per week, just so they can get back to Rio that much sooner. That Rio is what they live for. And those are usually the same guys who will tell you how much these girls just love to fuck.
Now, if that's how you choose to spend your life, that's up to you. But, know what you're actually getting. And look at what you're paying for it. Not just in terms of money, but your time, your dreams, your direction, your life.
And think about putting at least some of that time, dream, energy, into actually improving yourself and your life. This is tougher. You have to be willing to confront your deepest self, your insecurities, your anger, your jealousy, and your fears. You have to be willing to abandon your illusions, about yourself, women, life. But you will find, when you do this, that the same qualities women are actually attracted to--not what they say, but what they really respond to--are the same qualities that will make you more effective in your life overall.
Rio is a vacation from reality. This is a journey into reality.
But you'll find it much more rewarding in the long run. You will have earned a good life, instead of buying an illusion. Your relationships in all of your life will have changed, and for the better.
And you'll still be free to go to Rio and bang hookers. ; ) but you'll know what it's worth. You'll have more choice.
I'm not trying to slam anyone. There's a lot of information--free information, probably more than at any time in history--out there on how to improve your interactions with women. Do a search. The journey is worth it.
Just don't throw your life away on an illusion without knowing what you're really getting.
Okay, I'll quit now.
JC
I really enjoyed this message. Very well said and very truthfull in my opinion and experiances with Brazil and other latin countries.
I printed the message out and will be fowarding to a bunch of my travel buddies.
Exec Talent
04-26-07, 18:14
I hesitate to add an opposing opinion to the recent posts about falling for a GDP. I have twice and do not regret it. There are so many factors.
We all know they do P4P and normally do not get attached. Some of them like the life, use drugs, hang out together, live 4-8 per apartment and this is their life. The two I came to know both were professional, they came to work, earned their money, went home, supported their families. They did not like the work, they wanted out. BUT they still need money. Both never used drugs. One had children, one did not. Both do not want to come to USA to live (neither do I).
I married one of them and was with her for 5 years, she is still my best friend, we talk all the time about everything. She has a regular job now and is not in the life. At times she thinks that it would be easy money, but so far has not gone back to that life, she knows there is no future in it. When we divorced she did not want one penny, nothing.
The one I am with now, I support her, quite a bit. I know what I can afford and that is not an issue for me. I do ask why she stays with me. Her response is that I am a good person, nice to her, I give her security. At times I do feel I am a father figure to both of them, but I can live with that. I provide security for them, and they provide sex for me, and as you all know, there is a lot of that compared to american women. She asks why I stay with her, I my answer is that she is fun to be with, is young, likes sex, likes to talk about life and situations. I know her and all of her family, we go to family outings, etc. So she gets security, I get a nice wife. One other thing to use as a test, is the relationship getting better or worse.. in both my cases, it gets better with time. I could not say that for my marriages in America.
So, have I fallen in love with a GDP, perhaps. I do like the life. My american wife had sex with me like once a year, and at the divorce, what I gave her is a fraction of what I would end up supporting the girl here.
I have no doubt that if I stopped staying with the current girl, she will return to being a GDP, unless we get a business up and running for her, which is her dream. She does not like the GDP life and will talk openlly to me about it. She will help my gringo friends know which GDPs will rob or steal from you or which will be honest and nice (no sex performance rating thogh). Some of you know me and my GF/wife.
All that said. Most of the posts you see about guys sending money, they are mostly true, many just want a guy to come and go away. But if you are here full time, you can find someone to be with, is it Love? that is an age old question. You can wonder about that with an american wife just as well.
I post this once in a while and get a lot of PMs that others do the same but just do not want to get flamed. I like to give some optimisism to some. A good girl can be found and you can be happy with them. As someone said, you do have to know your limits.
So if you think you want to get a permanent relationship I would suggest:
1. Find out if they do drugs.
2.. Ask why they are a GDP, understand their situation.
3.. Learn who they hang out with, talk to other mongers if they know her.
4.. Build trust over time, ask why they are with you, it better be a good answer.
5.. Do not sell your house, investments to support someone, only spend what you can affort.
6.. If you do not support her to what she thinks is adaquate, she will continue to work. They have a very inflated view of what they earn, figure they just multiply their daily rate by 30, that is probably what they will want.
7. Let them know that at times you want other women, just for sex, this is a tough one, but it will work out, especially if you are smart enough to get them to bring up the idea (like when they are tired or menstrating). This does work.
So that is some balance, some will try this and get burned. But no difference than marrage in the USA, except you have a hot brazilian instead of an american princess.
The posts here keep getting better and better. Off Road my hat is off to you. Insightful and sage advice. I hope someone puts this in reports of distinction. I am over my limit!
Hi Off Road,
nice post. I think there is plenty space in this forum for opposing views.
I hesitate to add an opposing opinion to the recent posts about falling for a GDP. I have twice and do not regret it. There are so many factors.
We all know they do P4P and normally do not get attached....etc.My point is that life is not black and white, but rather an infinite amount of shades of different colors, all blending over.
Therefore any generalization about GDPs or for matter of fact about "us" mongers will show it's limitation somewhere. Yes there are GDPs that lie, cheat or do anything to get money. So it is good to be aware of that. Yet, that does not mean that that is the only possibility. Nice to hear that you had a good experience and shared it with us.
Dutch44
I second that. Great post. I know that newbies need lots of advice so they don't get burned but I'm pleased to see someone else has faith in some Brasilian women. I have so much respect for Brasilians. And I've felt for a while that if I settle down again, I think the odds are it will be with a Brasilian.
RioFavelaboy
04-26-07, 20:17
Gentlemen!
This discussion seems to be as old as the forum.
Let me remind you of few points:
1. DO NOT fall in love with a GDP
2. NO matter how much you wish that she's in love with you, that's not the case. Its the content of your WALLET she's after
3. Brasilian GDP's are the BEST actressess in their business
4. Once a ho, always a Ho
5. You can't turn a ho into a girlfriend
These above points do not rule out that you couldn't treat the girls with respect, but remember EVEN IF GDP RETURNS YOUR MONEY SHE DID IT FOR YOUR MONEY!!!
There are so many suckers in the game. You'd be surprised how many of these girls have fooled guys into sending money to them.My guy Perkele I'm responding to your post because you are 100% right in you mind to have your opinion and your way of thinking when it comes to GDP'S, I think all of us mongers have rules we follow when dealing with them.
I am not here to force my beliefs about GDP's upon you or anyone else, but when you read the post on this site you can see, that this forum more than likely have quite a few fellows who have for some reason been bitten by the love bug down in Brazil.
Stop and ask yourself hey why do these guys keep falling in love with GDP's come on the proof is in the pudding, you are talking about people here, GDP'S and MONGERS are just humans that have feelings just as OFFROAD is a human who just like any other Monger that has landed in Rio to go there with one mission in mind, to bang as many GDP'S as one can possibly bang in the alotted time he is there. But like all humans in the world someone or something about that one particular women captivates you and like a ton of bicks you are hit.
Dude we can't tell guys going to Brazil or any other country not to fall in love, because if these people listen to you, me or anyone else instead of following their own beliefs and making their own desicions they could be letting the best things in their lives get away from them.
Life is about learning and it's a wonderful class room, we are put here to attend, so if a Monger goes to where ever he goes and falls in love and is used to he's totally broke, that's his choice because he's a grown man and he's got to live with that choice, but if he falls in love and his choice turns out to be the best thing for him so be it.
Guys we worry about what the other guy is doing a little too much, and I'm glad a good friend here didn't listen to me or our other buddies because he's happy with his wife who at one time was a GDP from Brazil, but he's being treated like a king and she's got 10 x the quality of his former american wife who cheated and took him for the maximum amount of money the courts would allow.
Right now I'm here in Rio until Monday, the last 2 days have been with someone I care for and I'll probably spend the rest of my time here with, my guy here says I'm stupid for doing this but I've hit quite a few GDP's since last week, but these woman just does something to me, I've been seeing her her regularly for three years. So do I care what my boy is saying! Hell NO!
So to each his own, would I marry a GDP? I won't say I'm not above it, but is it highly unlikely? Yes! I've learned that guys fall in love with GDP'S because it's what they want, leave them the hell alone and we mongers who are able to live out our fantasies without falling in love, we should enjoy what we are doing and continue to live by the rules of mongering we've set for ourselves.
SlickdySlick
04-26-07, 23:09
Even though I personally would not do it it is good to hear some of the success stories from you guys. I met girls in Rio who said they really like me and treated me nice but I never gave them a chance cause I am always thinking she is full it or try to run game. I could have been right but then again I might have turned away the woman of my dreams who knows. Like I said you have to judge each and every girl on their own not with a broard grouping paint brush.
Good Luck Guys with your girls!!
Gentlemen!
Let me remind you of few points:
1. DO NOT fall in love with a GDP
2. NO matter how much you wish that she's in love with you, that's not the case. Its the content of your WALLET she's after
3. Brasilian GDP's are the BEST actressess in their business
4. Once a ho, always a Ho
5. You can't turn a ho into a girlfriend
There are so many suckers in the game. You'd be surprised how many of these girls have fooled guys into sending money to them.
I will state that there is a small likelihood that the GDP may really be a hard working girl who is in a tough economic bind and is seeking a short-term remedy. I've met GDPs who were secretaries and teachers who have kids and need some extra help. Some turned out to be solid chicas and great LT companions. Hey, maybe some are wifey material...they make up <2% of the GDP population.
That said, most GDPs are NOT these kind of women. Moreover, the small percentage that say they are these kind of women are lying and are really just straight hookers. You may get lucky with an 18yr old newbie who has not yet been turned into a parana by years of selling bunda, but they make up <2% of the GDP population too.
Here's a funny story. I am here in a Northeastern US city, and there are these two Brazilian girls at my local strip club. One from Rio and one from SP. The SP chica is dying to get married and I think is in the US illegally now (overstayed visa) and it all-in GDP. The Rio chick is married to a 50ish guy who picked her up in a Copa 'biote' and saved her a$$, brought her back to the states, etc. He apparently does not know that she 1) strips and 2) still does a lil' programa work as well. I mean, once a GDP man, always a GDP. This chica was saved, and rewards her man by being a stripper and still s*cking other dudes off in the back room of some dinky strip club?
These GDPs get attracted to the fast money, the lifestyle, etc. These girls have friends who've gotten married to Americans, stayed for about 5 years, got divorces and headed straight back home. Even with an airtight pre-nup, your assets are at risk...and with a kid, forget about it! You're toast! Plus alimony...not worth the financial risk in my view...even with a US babe! Why be Captain Save-A-Ho and have half your future weath and assets at risk with some Brazilian hooker (or any chick for that matter). If you can bring her here without marrying her, go right ahead, but marraige is a huge contingent liability at ALL TIMES, and espeically with a former hooker.
Like I've said on this thread before...find yourself a real worker in Brazil who happens to be hot, and that is your potential wife...the cleaning lady, the hotel receptionist, the Lojas Americanas cashier, the barmaid, the tour guide, the language professor....but not your average GDP...fellas c'mon!
Dude,
You made some over the top statement about hooker not being able to shower enough to wash the guys off on them. I just said that was over the top and if everyone looks back at the post I still say its over the top. Then you back it up with this chat posting which has it occured to you that girl might have been saying what you wanted to hear. I am sure she would not tell a guy she is doing for free which means she likely has feeling for you that she loves getting banged in the cabine? Asmy point about the girl who left the money No I dont think she liked me I clearly staed I have no idea why she left it thats the point we all have no idea what these girl are thinking and you sure can sum them up in one MSN chat.
I personally dont do the girlfriend thing hell a rarely bang the same chick twice period. Thats why I clearly stated in my first post I was staying out of it. But your first post was clearly way over the top.Slick is write, Men Come on I can't believe any of you guys cold even think a Gdp likes you. Yeah maybe for that short time when she is with you. But that's about it. Don't get me wrong though they may care about you as a friend, but soon as your money run's out that s it. She will only say Hi and bye. I learned this out real quick. My man slick is write.
I hesitate to add an opposing opinion to the recent posts about falling for a GDP. I have twice and do not regret it. There are so many factors.
First off, I'd like to apologize to this entire thread. It seems it was my original post on where to find Semi Pros/part-time hookers/whomever on the beach that started this discussion. I thought after a few days this topic would die down, but it's still going strong for some reason. I imagine someone who is in Rio right now with a trip report to post must be scratching their head thinking they're in the wrong thread; I never meant to turn the reports section into "Dr. Phil in Brasil".
I think your post was good, Off Road; I'm glad you shared your situation with us and offered a different perspective. Many times, we hear stories about guys falling for GdPs, bringing them back to the U.S. or Europe, and then the relationship eventually falls apart. You're in an unique situation in that you actually LIVE in Brasil and (I assume) speak Portuguese; I believe that is why you have been successful with your GdP girlfriends/wives. In my opinion, if you must fall in love/marry/whatever with a GdP, living there and speaking the language (as fluently as possible) is essential for the relationship to work.
Having said that, I have a question for you, or anyone else that wants to answer this that is on your side (Exec Talent, JesusCola, etc). My question of the day, if you will. You guys don't have to answer this if you don't want to, I'm just genuinely curious:
With all the nice, beautiful, non-pro women in Brasil, why have you decided to be in a relationship with a GdP? Do you find them to be more desirable than regular women? Can you even distinguish between pros and non-pros, or are they all the same to you? So, for you, is meeting a woman in a termas the same as meeting a girl at, say, Sendas, or Rio Sul mall? Also, have you ever dated non-pros, and how was the relationship different than dating a GdP?
Ok, so that's more than one question, but to sum it up: Why are GdPs better than regular Brasilian non-pro women? And before you say "we didn't say that, Ezinho!" I'm just asuming that if you choose to date/marry them, they must be better.
I look forward to the replies.
Off Road,
I am glad to hear your story, and very pleased to hear that you've found happiness in this type of relationship.
Having said that, the relationship you describe does not sound very passionate. I, personally, would be looking for a much better answer than, "You're a nice person and you treat me well," before I would be willing to support her. Personal choice. IMHO, MOST women know a "nice person who would treat them well" whether or not money is involved.
Again, maybe just me. My feeling, derived from your post, is that you know very well that the foundation of your relationship is primarily financial and everything else comes after the fact. Without the "support" there would really be no relationship, outside of a P4P type arrangement. Please correct me if you feel otherwise.
Whatever the case, you are happy with your situation, and hopefully fully aware of it, and that is what ultimately matters.
Respect,
JC
I hesitate to add an opposing opinion to the recent posts about falling for a GDP. I have twice and do not regret it. There are so many factors.
We all know they do P4P and normally do not get attached. Some of them like the life, use drugs, hang out together, live 4-8 per apartment and this is their life. The two I came to know both were professional, they came to work, earned their money, went home, supported their families. They did not like the work, they wanted out. BUT they still need money. Both never used drugs. One had children, one did not. Both do not want to come to USA to live (neither do I).
I married one of them and was with her for 5 years, she is still my best friend, we talk all the time about everything. She has a regular job now and is not in the life. At times she thinks that it would be easy money, but so far has not gone back to that life, she knows there is no future in it. When we divorced she did not want one penny, nothing.
The one I am with now, I support her, quite a bit. I know what I can afford and that is not an issue for me. I do ask why she stays with me. Her response is that I am a good person, nice to her, I give her security. At times I do feel I am a father figure to both of them, but I can live with that. I provide security for them, and they provide sex for me, and as you all know, there is a lot of that compared to american women. She asks why I stay with her, I my answer is that she is fun to be with, is young, likes sex, likes to talk about life and situations. I know her and all of her family, we go to family outings, etc. So she gets security, I get a nice wife. One other thing to use as a test, is the relationship getting better or worse.. in both my cases, it gets better with time. I could not say that for my marriages in America.
So, have I fallen in love with a GDP, perhaps. I do like the life. My american wife had sex with me like once a year, and at the divorce, what I gave her is a fraction of what I would end up supporting the girl here.
I have no doubt that if I stopped staying with the current girl, she will return to being a GDP, unless we get a business up and running for her, which is her dream. She does not like the GDP life and will talk openlly to me about it. She will help my gringo friends know which GDPs will rob or steal from you or which will be honest and nice (no sex performance rating thogh). Some of you know me and my GF/wife.
All that said. Most of the posts you see about guys sending money, they are mostly true, many just want a guy to come and go away. But if you are here full time, you can find someone to be with, is it Love? that is an age old question. You can wonder about that with an american wife just as well.
I post this once in a while and get a lot of PMs that others do the same but just do not want to get flamed. I like to give some optimisism to some. A good girl can be found and you can be happy with them. As someone said, you do have to know your limits.
So if you think you want to get a permanent relationship I would suggest:
1. Find out if they do drugs.
2.. Ask why they are a GDP, understand their situation.
3.. Learn who they hang out with, talk to other mongers if they know her.
4.. Build trust over time, ask why they are with you, it better be a good answer.
5.. Do not sell your house, investments to support someone, only spend what you can affort.
6.. If you do not support her to what she thinks is adaquate, she will continue to work. They have a very inflated view of what they earn, figure they just multiply their daily rate by 30, that is probably what they will want.
7. Let them know that at times you want other women, just for sex, this is a tough one, but it will work out, especially if you are smart enough to get them to bring up the idea (like when they are tired or menstrating). This does work.
So that is some balance, some will try this and get burned. But no difference than marrage in the USA, except you have a hot brazilian instead of an american princess.
Carlos Primeros
04-27-07, 02:34
Gentlemen -
you mentioned that there is a 2 % chance to find a gem amongst the GDPs - I agree. But the art is to find this gem.
I have a LT friend living close to Rio - she is a dentist now and worked "on the side" to pay for her living during the time she went to university.
How did we meet? I wanted a ST-fuck and discovered what a nice personality she has. This envolved into a LT relationship which lasts now since 7 years. She gave up her "side-job" and is now a respected member of society in Niteroi. I am her "namorado" and I stay with here when I am in Brazil - which is approx. 4 - 5 months per year. She is not interested in my money - she is making enough to afford a good life.
This worked out well - but I think that this is the very exception.
Keep up searching for the diamons
Carlos Primeros -
King of Portugal in Exile
Mr Enternational
04-27-07, 04:57
With all the nice, beautiful, non-pro women in Brasil, why have you decided to be in a relationship with a GdP? Do you find them to be more desirable than regular women? Can you even distinguish between pros and non-pros, or are they all the same to you? So, for you, is meeting a woman in a termas the same as meeting a girl at, say, Sendas, or Rio Sul mall? Also, have you ever dated non-pros, and how was the relationship different than dating a GdP?Yeah, as you put it, with these questions you might as well start a "Dr. Phil in Brasil" section.
Having said that, I have a question for you, or anyone else that wants to answer this that is on your side (Exec Talent, JesusCola, etc). My question of the day, if you will. You guys don't have to answer this if you don't want to, I'm just genuinely curious:
With all the nice, beautiful, non-pro women in Brasil, why have you decided to be in a relationship with a GdP? Do you find them to be more desirable than regular women? Can you even distinguish between pros and non-pros, or are they all the same to you? So, for you, is meeting a woman in a termas the same as meeting a girl at, say, Sendas, or Rio Sul mall? Also, have you ever dated non-pros, and how was the relationship different than dating a GdP?
Ok, so that's more than one question, but to sum it up: Why are GdPs better than regular Brasilian non-pro women? And before you say "we didn't say that, Ezinho!" I'm just asuming that if you choose to date/marry them, they must be better.
I look forward to the replies.Good question. I personally, would not say I am in a "relationship" with a GdP, or that we are "dating. " I rarely go to the movies, or whatever, with the girl. I mean, if I want to go to dinner, and want to bring a companion along, I will bring her, but the focus is not on us "being a couple, " or whatever. It is largely about the sex.
I mean, when I'm in Rio, I like to have a girl to take with me when I want to go out, or who wants to come over regularly for sex (without me paying her; if I pay her, I don't want to see her outside of that hour, those are my boundaries). I enjoy getting to know some of the women on a deeper level than just 1 hour in the cabine, and I find that makes the sex better as well. But I'm not looking to continue our "relationship" longer than I plan to be in Brazil, and I make that clear fairly early on. Usually, it won't even go that long. After a month, I'm interested in meeting someone else. And I know that going in. Right from the start.
I have dated non-pros, but I find it to be more of a hassle. They hate Copacabana, generally. Sometimes, they don't want to be seen with me because I'm obviously a gringo, and other Brazilians and gringos assume I'm only there to bang hookers, so sometimes a non-pro, walking down the street with me, will feel like everyone is looking at her like she's a hooker. It depends on the girl. But I have had one non-pro "GF" who was approached and propositioned by a monger at her place of work. He thought she was doing programs on the side, because he had seen her with me. Embarrassment. Crying. End of "relationship. "
If my mongering friends see my non-pro "girlfriend, " they will oggle her like a piece of meat. I can see it, and so can she. And I can tell she gets visibly uncomfortable and doesn't much want to be around them. A GdP is used to getting looked at like that, and it rolls off her. Also, GdPs are much less concerned about me hanging out with my friends or going to termas. Yeah, there's some jealousy and suspicion, but much less drama than a non-pro would give me.
Essentially, because I'm not looking to get married or for anything much longer than a month at a time, GdPs tend to be easier in the long run. It just fits my needs without all the trappings that come with a more traditionally minded girl.
And I should probably take this opportunity to elaborate on my perspective.
I was sitting at a beachside cafe one day, quite some time ago, when I saw an absolutely stunning girl. She turned, our eyes met, I smiled, she smiled. And she approached me. She was dressed much classier than the Atlantica working girls. She asked where I was from. I told her and she started speaking to me in pretty good English. Better than most GdPs. Classy and educated. We chatted, she asked to sit. We hit it off. She eventually said she had to go, but if I was free the next day, she would love to show me around. I agreed.
Now, I was still thinking she was probably a hooker. I mean, she didn't fit the type, but it's rare for a Brazilian girl, non-pro, to be that open with a gringo in Copa. So I was waiting for the money issue to come up. But I did want to see this girl.
We spent the next day together. She spent the night. The sex was mindblowing. No mention of money. We had a LOT in common. We spent every day together. She said she was falling in love. I felt like I was too.
That's when she told me. She had a wealthy foreigner sending her money. Supporting her. They'd been "together" for four years. She didn't love him. Not now, not at the beginning. She'd told herself, "Love will come, " but it never did. And now she was tired of him, tired of her life with him. She said our second day together, she thought she was falling for me. Now she loved me.
We continued to stay together. We would finish having sex in the morning, her phone would ring, she would talk to him. She would finish, "I love you, too, " making an ugly face, then hang up the phone and make out with me.
We talked a lot about a potential future together. The problem was, we hadn't known each other that long. If she left him for me, and I started supporting her, what if we fought? What if we broke up? What if I got tired of fucking her? God knows that's happened in the past. She doesn't love him, but she knows he isn't going anywhere. 4 years together. Much more security. Where there's passion, well, it can explode. If she left him for me, and it didn't work out, she'd be fucked.
So when, after 3 months together, he came back to Rio, she said she needed to stay with him for 2 months until he left. Then things could go back to "normal. " And I agreed.
In the end, I couldn't do it. Maybe I wasn't ready to be "tied down. " I also didn't want to be the guy back home, sending money, not knowing what she was doing, who she was with. I wasn't ready to take a chance on her, nor she on me. And I didn't want to be the "other man" while she was taking this guy's money. So after one month of her staying with him, we ended it.
She called me about 8 months later, crying, telling me her life had no more joy and she felt like she wanted to die.
So I have found, through close, personal experience, that, unless you live in Brazil AND are looking to get married, my belief is you will be much better off not treating it seriously. I'm not looking to get tied into something that emotional again. I come down, have my fun in the way I see fit, and it does not leave the boundaries I have set from the beginning.
If I decide to settle down someday, I would probably look for a non-pro. But it'd change my life in a whole lot of ways that I'm not even contemplating right now. And I seriously doubt, after what I have seen, that I would EVER be sending a girl money.
So that's why I'm coming from where I'm coming from.
JC
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Latino Rio
04-27-07, 14:00
When I read here this
On my way to the F1 race in SP I managed to stopover in Rio for a couple of days during which I visited L´Uomo for a nice session with Luiza, thin morena with an interesting face which may not appeal to everybody but who performed the usual treats with gusto and "carinho".I was full of hope to see my old favourit Luiza (this Indian looking morena from Sao Luis) again at LUOMO but not even her sister Julie ist there any more and neither of them answers the phone any more. Currently Luomo is really in not a recommendation, expensive at a 2R$/1US$ exchange and no really hot women with such good service. When I remember back in 2000.
Not even the massage women they have now is somehow comparable to Jaqi.
July, was it the good Luiza you meet there last October? Was she back? I haven't seen her there since August 2005 but as she had traveled to Europe already before I would expect her to show up from tiime to time again.
The quiosques in Copacabana beach are good hunting grounds for p***y.
How many quiosques are there in Copa beach?
A good guess?
Off Road,
I am glad to hear your story, and very pleased to hear that you've found happiness in this type of relationship.
Having said that, the relationship you describe does not sound very passionate. I, personally, would be looking for a much better answer than, "You're a nice person and you treat me well," before I would be willing to support her. Personal choice. IMHO, MOST women know a "nice person who would treat them well" whether or not money is involved.
Again, maybe just me. My feeling, derived from your post, is that you know very well that the foundation of your relationship is primarily financial and everything else comes after the fact. Without the "support" there would really be no relationship, outside of a P4P type arrangement. Please correct me if you feel otherwise.
Whatever the case, you are happy with your situation, and hopefully fully aware of it, and that is what ultimately matters.
Respect,
JC
We have a lot of feelings for each other and have very deep discussions about life in general, We support each other when discussing family and problems and issues. Is it Passionate? At times it is intense, there are some very great moments that will stay with me forever and more come all the time. She does say that she would stay with me if I was poor and did not have money. but serioiusly, where would the money come from? Would I stay with her if there was no sex, maybe, depending (illness) but I would find sex elsewhere.
Will this last a long time? I hope so, it gets better every week as we understand each other deeper.
So I am happy, very.. and wanted others to know they could be too. However.. as everyone says.. this is not too typical. you have to be careful, take your time, and do not go crazy over the first one you run across, or second, or....
El Austriaco
04-27-07, 22:32
Having said that, I have a question for you, or anyone else that wants to answer this that is on your side (Exec Talent, JesusCola, etc). My question of the day, if you will. You guys don't have to answer this if you don't want to, I'm just genuinely curious:
With all the nice, beautiful, non-pro women in Brasil, why have you decided to be in a relationship with a GdP? Do you find them to be more desirable than regular women? Can you even distinguish between pros and non-pros, or are they all the same to you? So, for you, is meeting a woman in a termas the same as meeting a girl at, say, Sendas, or Rio Sul mall? Also, have you ever dated non-pros, and how was the relationship different than dating a GdP?
Ok, so that's more than one question, but to sum it up: Why are GdPs better than regular Brasilian non-pro women? And before you say "we didn't say that, Ezinho!" I'm just asuming that if you choose to date/marry them, they must be better.
I'll try to answer it, for what it's worth, solely based on my own personal experience of dating a few GDPs (one of whom was Brazilian).
First of all, I believe that nobody really DECIDES to be in a relationship with a GdP. At least, I never fantasized with what it would be like to date a GDP, nor was it ever particularly appealing to me. But things just happen. So I don't think that anyone in their right mind sits down one day, jots down all his life's priorities, and comes to the conclusion that his most appropriate partner would be a hooker. At least, I have never come across anyone like that.
IMHO and based on my experience, the typical scenario goes like this (just like it did for me): monger looks for P4P, finds a girl, and somehow, she is different. Monger can't put his finger on it, but it all feels just so real. She makes him feel so real, to the point that, despite all the horror stories he has heard and all the warnings people give him, he just starts wondering.. could it be real? Could this be the one? So he starts spending more and more time with her, and some sort of relationship develops beyond a pure hooker/monger transaction. And one day, he starts wondering.. why shouldn't it work? And this, of course, is definitely the wrong question to ask himself.
By the time one is even wondering about this, one is clearly already emotionally involved. You should ask yourself "How could it possibly work?" But of course, whatever you feel prevents you from thinking logically.
For me, getting involved with a hooker is clearly a case of either thinking with the small head instead of the big one, or thinking with the heart instead of the head, or both. But that's human nature, I guess.
And by not thinking logically, it is easy to forget about or downplay the huge additional hurdles a relationship with a Brazilian GDP faces, every single one of which enough to bring it crashing down at any moment.
1) Age difference (mongers and GPD GFs are usually at very different stages in life),
2) Language difference (and the ensuing communication problems)
3) Cultural/racial differences (a minefield of potential misunderstandings and additional communication problems)
4) Socioeconomic background (having a GDP girlfriend will teach you a lesson in poverty culture),
5) Man/woman differences in worldview, outlook on life.
6) Psychological issues (months, let alone years of hooking certainly leave their indelible mark on a GDP's psychology and her perception of love, trust, sex, general image of men, just to name of few things). And as mongers, we are also somewhat... hmm... "unconventional", too.
All of this is in addition to, of course, the very practical issues like, determining who moves where, or the emotional turmoil dealing with spending months apart all the time, or whether she will stop hooking (making her totally dependent on you, in most cases) or not (can you deal with it?).
So every which way you look at it, logically, a relationship with a GDP, even under the best of circumstances, faces huge obstacles to overcome: financially, emotionally, culturally, spiritually. Would anyone thinking logically for a moment openly chose that? I don't think so.
But the problem is, as mongers, we are not thinking logically, most of the time. In other cases, we are also quite rebellious, I believe. IMHO, of course. I know I am.
In a way, as mongers, we engage in an activity that, generally, is frowned upon by society, and therefore, we certainly operate on the margin of mainstream society... just like hookers do. For anyone who doesn't believe this, let me ask this: how many of you would openly post your photo here for everyone to see? Would you openly discuss your mongering activities with, say, business acquaintances? No? I didn't think so.
With that in mind, I believe that in our thinking, it sometimes might even make sense to engage in a relationship with a hooker. This is not the reason I got involved with her in the first place, but this thinking developed as the relationship progressed. It was my way of rationalizing something that, almost by definition, was a very emotional, i.e. non-rational choice. For example, I was thinking, a hooker is just as marginalized as I am (in terms of sexual activities). Secondly, she already knows what I am about... about fucking women. She knows my dark side first hand. And therefore, this is a woman who will be able to allow me to really be me (maybe wishful thinking, but we all can dream, right?), more than any "normal" woman would. After all, I accept her for what she is, she better accept me for what I am. Maybe this is the kind of relationship that I actually need... to get the best of both worlds.
That was the pattern of thinking. Not necessarily very sound or smart thinking, but hey... it was ambitious, though.
Hope this sheds a bit of light on the issue.
EA
I think EA hit the nail on the head in the previous post.
Here is what I would like to add: What makes anyone think we are better than the GDPs? Just the fact that we are using this board to exchange details on the GDPs we bagged is telling. Some of you say "once a ho, always a ho". But the same goes for us. Once a john, always a john.
Confession time: I never tell a GDP my real name or where I live. Nor do I ever give them my phone number. I always call with Skype - have fun tracing that one! And I use an email that I exclusively have for the hobby.
I have dated plenty of non-pros, also in Brazil. But I always find that this is more expensive in the long run. For a while I thought that I could quit the mongering if I only found the right girl. Then I found her, got married, and the whole bit. Didn't last long; wasn't her fault. I just like variety in my sex partners.
Falling in love with a GDP can happen. Happened to me, too (see my posts from about 2 years ago). But what the heck! It's not like I am an inner virgin and have to protect my purity. Roll with it, is my motto now. And if the shit hits the fan, then I pick a new false email and phone number, and I climb back into the saddle.
By the way, this part of the forum is not the only one where discussion like this happen. Check out this post from the German FKK board (where I mostly post): http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=591195&postcount=1940 (By the way, that thread also has a sex worker, Cordelia Shiatsu, posting regularly. She works at FKK World, is excellent, and has very interesting insights from the other end of the dick's perspective.)
euro
The quiosques in Copacabana beach are good hunting grounds for p***y.
How many quiosques are there in Copa beach?
A good guess?
Well this is a good question especially since they have been building new ones recently. Very nice ones for example: Bob's, Siri Mole, Nescafe and many other different names. On my last trip to Rio I took a video tape of Copa and the new Quiosques and the old ones too. It seems that each new quiosque also has a new toilet downstairs, I used it once and it was fantastic, I believe they charged me 1 real, it was very clean and not rushed like the old Postos were. One time I was using the only toilet in Posto 5 and I took some time to do my business and there was an angry mob waiting outside my toilet to get into a toilet that was no longer useable, I never felt so humiliated in my life.
I didn't count the number of new quiosques, I guess I should have but my good guess is in total 20, and that's a high number I think.
Also about dating a GDP, I never dated a Brazilian GDP but once in New York I met a beautiful girl in a club, we got back to her place the next day at 12 noon, I fucked her and said to myself: This is not an ordinary girl. She turned out to be a NY call girl, she finally told me one night she would like to discuss her day with me like other women do, but I wasn't surprised based upon her performance in bed, I already knew and told others after the first time I shagged her that she must be a hooker. I treated her good, she never charged me a dime but I guess the relationship started to fall apart when she started to discuss her clients with me and some were famous people.
This may be little off topic, but....
I had read this a while ago here about some mongers who were new to GIG (like me), hooking up with some semi-pros who spoke English(worked in a phone shop?) to go around town, dinner, clubs.
Is this once in a blue moon kind of deal or is it a more regular occurrence?
This may be little off topic, but....
I had read this a while ago here about some mongers who were new to GIG (like me), hooking up with some semi-pros who spoke English(worked in a phone shop?) to go around town, dinner, clubs.
Is this once in a blue moon kind of deal or is it a more regular occurrence?
it happens, but usually requires some time and effort...and some Portuguese. you can get lucky with online dating sites or just hanging out at malls and asking girls out, but if you're there for under a week, I think its unlikely to work without pre-investment...
Once a john, always a john.
euro
I have to disagree.
I used to pay to the girls in Brasil but since I learned the language I haven't paid anything to any girls here. Also I find that it is a lot cheaper this way.
Thus I dare say that if a john can do these girls for free he will give up his mongering ways (or atlease stops paying and then he's not a john anymore.
Then what comes to falling in love with a GDP, please go ahead but do not come to me complaining when I'm doing them for free :-).
I didn't count the number of new quiosques, I guess I should have but my good guess is in total 20, and that's a high number I think.
The number of old and new quiosques are 63 (the 5:th of April). Quite a lot.
The number of old and new quiosques are 63 (the 5:th of April). Quite a lot.
Wow 63 quiosques,that's a lot considering there are only 30 streets between Copacabana and Leme, must be 2 on every street along the Orla. I was there this past February and I know they were still building them, sounds great. I really like those new ones, great menus, good prices, I think they will give the restaurants on Ave. Atlantica a run for their money and they dress up the Orla also giving Copacabana a much needed face lift. Lets have a beer at Bar Luiz:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbhR_6wE1TQ&mode=related&search=
Sunset Strip
04-28-07, 19:28
Bizzie,
No, it is not unusual for some tourists to get together with locals. However, the phone shop/internet shop type of girls tend to be young/college age/coed types who usually like guys who seem like real tourists rather than mongers. There are always exceptions but if you want to go around town, then being an "obvious" monger will not make things easy on you.
I have stayed near Mia Pateca and have gone to the phone shop near there on Miguel Lemos. The girls there see me in Rio a lot, and see me with different girls all the time. They know what I am about and they know that if they are seen with me people will know what they are doing.
Some young college guys staying at a hostel, for example might have it easier with these types of girls when it comes to hanging out.
That said, never forget that this is still Rio and ANYTHING can happen.
And yes, as I have posted a few years back, I have also ran my hand up the skirted ass of a few of those girls in the internet/phone shops while they showed me how to log on the computer.
TJ
SlickdySlick
04-28-07, 19:31
Quiosques is that the name for those places they are building on the beach, cause they looked cool but never went into one. Deck out in all glass and steel can't wait to get back next year.
I'll try to answer it, for what it's worth, solely based on my own personal experience of dating a few GDPs (one of whom was Brazilian).
EA
Great post EA. Sums me up pretty well..
I just realized that when I am scheduled to visit Rio will be during the Pam AM Games. And I was wondering if you guys think or know if the prices for the escorts, thermas, and were ever else you can find P4P, will the prices be higher than normal. I am interested in getting some opinions on this.
Chris H
You will be fine during mid-July as for the termas and escorts. The only exception that you have to be more patient and cautious because of the high demand. But their prices are stable, don't vary much.
Now as far as Helpy and similar places, the prices will be higher than usual because of the high demand. You will still have fun, laters!
Wanderer1000
04-28-07, 23:54
Chris H -
Since you asked for opinions - I would be surprised if there was much more activity in the usual hangouts during this time. When I was in Rio in March, I asked about apartment prices during this time with several agents. Since the Games are out of town far enough, it was thought that people would not want to be staying in Copa and dealing with the long haul everyday.
I've been setting up my summer plans lately, and I didn't get any out of the norm off-season price quotes. I'll be leaving town in mid-July, but if it was expected to be more active in Copa, I think I would have heard about it. If guys were coming into town to play in Copa before the Games got started, I think they would have mucked up the prices for the second week of July.
So, I just haven't seen or heard anything at this point that Copa and the area is going to be getting jacked-up. If the garotas are going to try raising their prices - well, I don't think they'll see much of an opportunity.
I talked to someone today about renting one of his apartments the week I will be there, and his prices did increase $20 for the weeks that the games are gonna be there.
It will be interesting to see how the prices go with the girls. Do the prices for the girls go up during Carnival or any other big events when they are in town?
Chris H
I talked to someone today about renting one of his apartments the week I will be there, and his prices did increase $20 for the weeks that the games are gonna be there.
It will be interesting to see how the prices go with the girls. Do the prices for the girls go up during Carnival or any other big events when they are in town?
Chris H
Of course ,
I have a girlfriend who lives in zona norte , her sister`s boyfriend (who is brasilian and from Sao Paulo), is looking for an apartment for a short stay in Copacabana.
I gave her the phone number of a guy from whom I rent an apartment in Copa each time I go there , (60 reais per day), and he asked her 80 reais per day.
I told her I was quite surprised cause gringos are usually charged more than brasileiros.
She answered me because of PanAm games.
So expect the prices in july going up like Carnaval and that means everything including GDPs.
I will be going to Rio and was trying to figure what to budget for food and liquor. I eat a couple of meals a day and would like to eat what the locals eat. I prefer to eat at the carts or stands and don't need full service restaurant. I also drink at the beach and will be hitting Help and or other venues and be drinking there also.
I asked a broker friend of mine (who manages a few hundred places) about the prices of Copa/Ipanema apartments during the games.. His reply:
The prices will be affected but not as much as during carnival, but it will be high season price and some owners even want a little bit higher price then high season also.
OBS there will be many Brazilians coming to Rio from other parts of the country and they will stay all over the city so for who wants to come here during this period shouldn't wait until the last minute to book!
Bizzie,
No, it is not unusual for some tourists to get together with locals. However, the phone shop/internet shop type of girls tend to be young/college age/coed types who usually like guys who seem like real tourists rather than mongers. There are always exceptions but if you want to go around town, then being an "obvious" monger will not make things easy on you.
I have stayed near Mia Pateca and have gone to the phone shop near there on Miguel Lemos. The girls there see me in Rio a lot, and see me with different girls all the time. They know what I am about and they know that if they are seen with me people will know what they are doing.
Some young college guys staying at a hostel, for example might have it easier with these types of girls when it comes to hanging out.
That said, never forget that this is still Rio and ANYTHING can happen.
And yes, as I have posted a few years back, I have also ran my hand up the skirted ass of a few of those girls in the internet/phone shops while they showed me how to log on the computer.
TJ
Thanks TJ,
I understand that language will be a big barrier so I am trying to learn enough to carry on a 3 minute conversation. Hopefully some semi-pro with basic English will see me for my inner innocence and vulnerability.:)
Exec Talent
05-01-07, 15:10
Although the official rate is around 2.03 most of the cambios I visited were only giving 2.00. My bank, even with fees ($3.00 per transaction and 1% of amount withdrawn) was around 2.00 also. Therefore, for those of you planning your trips to Rio from the US it might not make sense to bring a lot of US dollars. Also, if you do bring US dollars, the cambios will sometimes give a higher rate for $100 bills than for $50s or $20s.
Ouch!!
If you exchange a large amount, say $1000, you'll get a higher rate.
You'll have to shop around though. I would not recommend walking around
Copa with $1000 in your pocket.
Also some cambios give the locals a better exchange rate.
What's the exchange rate at Help?
HoleRanger
05-02-07, 01:34
Greetings members, in three weeks I will be in Rio. After reviewing a few posts I dediced to sign up w/brazilcupid.com to see if I could meet a few non-pros. This is my third day with them and I have received so many responses I can't handle the traffic. When I go to the site I have to disable letting women know I'am online because too many start sending emails. I'am just a average single guy. Unmarried. No kids. Just learning to speak Portuguese. Speak some Spanish etc.
My question is to anybody that has used this site, do a lot of pros troll here for prospects? Maybe 50% of the women responding are drop dead gorgeous. Any information on personal experiences would be appreciated. Enjoy!
The cambio rate I was getting in mid april was 1.96 for my 100$ bills
Bring money, guys
Suerte, Veterano
The cambio rate I was getting in mid april was 1.96 for my 100$ bills
Bring money, guys
Suerte, Veterano
You were only getting 1.96R, when the rate is 2.02? What cambio did you go to?
Exec Talent
05-02-07, 20:33
You were only getting 1.96R, when the rate is 2.02? What cambio did you go to?
The whole point of my post is that the cambios are paying BELOW the OFFICIAL rate. Usually I easily get +.10 over official but not now. Even with people who know me. ATMs are better or at least equal now with the fees.
Havahopeful
05-03-07, 18:58
Just got back from my 4th trip to Rio and 1st trip in the last two years. As always I had an amazing time but between inflation and the exchange rate things have gotten significantly more expensive. Thanks again to Bubbaboy and his excellent guide which I used quite a bit.
Termas:
I went to L'uomo, Monte Carlo, 4x4, and Solarium. Prices for all the Zona Sul termas were pretty much identical with the exception of if you want to take two girls to the cabin. L'uomo charges you for 2 rooms if you do this and I don't believe the others do.
1st day I went to L'uomo which is my favorite layout of all the Termas. I love having the relax room on the same floor as the boite. I went with Clara a Morena with a perfect body, tiny yet not flat ass! Beautiful face. I believe she said she was 22, but then they all seem to say that. Good session she was not completo and she told me this before the session which i was ok with. We hung out for about an hour before the session and she has a nice personality. I was very satisfied with everything but other than her beauty and amazing body nothing in her skills really stood out. At the same time my friend sessioned with Lara for his first Terma's experience. Also a morena a little lighter skinned than Clara, nicer face, a tiny bit less on the body she said she had only been there a week.
2nd day I went to Montecarlo. I sessioned with Grazi a 28 year old Morena, again perfect ass beautiful face. After getting her into the cabin I noticed that her breasts were a little flat. Very nice session which she topped off with a nice massage. Great personality on this girl.
3rd day I went to 4x4. It was very crowded but my friend and I both managed to do well. I took a girl (can't remember her name) she said she was born and raised in Leme, but she looked more like she was from the interior. She had a very native look, again great ass but with the added benefit of the nicest largest NATURAL breasts I have ever seen on a girl that small. She has a tounge, belly button and clit ring. I would give her a 7 as far as performance. My friend sessioned with a very petite little 19 year old blond that he was very happy with.
5th day I went to Solarium. Although I found some girls to my liking my friend was not happy and we left without a session and went to L'uomo. At L'uomo I went with Lara the girl by friend was with the first day. Had a very nice session with her, she was completa. Very passionate and enthusiastic. The only negative about her was that she was screaming so loud that it got a little distracting. I could have done without the show. One other thing that bothered me about L'uomo this time. I was drinking Caipiroskas and although I never asked for imported Vodka they charged me for it 14 R instead of 10R. They also added a 10% tip on all drinks for the waitstaff to my bill. I don't know if this is normal or not but I have never noticed it before. I discussed both and they dropped the price of the vodka to 10R.
I went to Help on a Wendesday night and it was very slow. In the 5 or so times I have been it was the worst I have ever seen it. There was still plenty to choose from but we left alone having come straight from Monte Carlos.
On my last day, we went to VIPS and ordered 4 escorts from Karla's Models. This was the first time I have ever had an escort. I called early Monday morning and they said that most of the girls I called for were not available. After some discussion they sent Pamela, Cecilia, Talita, and Thaylane. Since all 4 girls were there they only charged me a total of 50R for taxis so a total of 450R.
Although I knew that they wouldn't look like they do in the photos, I was not prepared for how different they would look. All of the girls are the girls in the photos on the website but none of them looked remotely close to as good. I will post pics of them in the photo gallery. Of the 4 Talita (who I felt had the worst body of the 4) was by far the best performer. She gives an amazing bj and very enthusiastic during sex. Thaylane was by far the worst. It seemed like you had to ask 3 times to get her to do anything. The other 2 were just ok. My friend and I each sampled all 4. The girls didn't interact too much with each other, minimal kissing and fondling. My friend and I each went for seconds and thirds with Talita. We gave her a little bit of an extra tip for her efforts.
We also both hooked up with a couple of local girls during the trip. 2 Girls we met at Bombar. 4 girls we met on the Net before comming. 2 we met in Lapa - Rio Scenario. This was great as I got a chance to see some neighborhoods I have not visited in the past with these girls. More on that later.
Hey Havahopeful, Would you say the escorts are a waste of money? How early in the morning did you call for one? What is VIPS? I have RTFF, but have not seen anything about VIPS.
Chris H
http://www.vipsmotel.com.br/
Havahopeful
05-03-07, 20:26
I would definitely not say the escorts are a waste of money. In fact they are the best bargain I have experienced (never went to one of the cheap casas some have described). The girls are just not stunners at least the 4 I saw were not. They were normal looking every day girls you may see working at a kiosk or anywhere else. The termas and Help have more than a few amazing looking girls. That was the difference.
I was leaving for my flight that day I tried to call both Karla's and Scort show. When calling earlier in the week they told me that they open at 8 am on Monday. I tried at 10 am at both agencies and noone answered I finally got through to karlas at 11 am.
VIPS is a sex motel where you can rent rooms in 8 hour increments. It is a great last day option especially if you have a late flight leaving Rio and an early checkout time from your hotel. I believe this is where a lot of the Mike in Brazil series is filmed. We got the VIPS Suite for 230 R for 8 hours. It had a Jacuzzi, sauna, rooftop pool and sex chair. I believe two meals are also included in that price.
One thing I forgot to mention in my earlier post. VIPS charged us an extra 40R for each escort that came. So the room actually cost me 390R. I have never heard of this practice and I argued a little bit, but time was of the essense and they wouldn't budge. I have only been to VIPS one other time and that was with my girlfriend, there were no extra charges. So I don't know what is normal.
Monday morning and Friday night are the worst times to call Karla Models. Since they go home on the weekend, most of the girls saunter into work late, on monday. On friday evening, they are eager to get out of there and either get home to the family or go out partying.
Monday morning and Friday night are the worst times to call Karla Models. Since they go home on the weekend, most of the girls saunter into work late, on monday. On friday evening, they are eager to get out of there and either get home to the family or go out partying.
Thats a great piece of information!!
VIPS since like a decent place to go if you have to check out of the hotel
earlier than your flight. With the escorts I see that it is 100R for 2 hours, do the girls really stay for 2 hours, and you get as many pops as you can in that amount of time, or do they leave after the 1st pop?
Chris H
Hi gents,
A stupid questiosn if you dont mind....
Are there any sex toy shops in Copa area (or am I gonna have to bring my own!) and what has been your experience with having the girls get into playing with the toys?
Second, I see some pictures of chicas from the termas so I assume it si allowed. Any extra charge?
And how about Help girls and their attitude toward pictures?
Thank you.
Exec Talent
05-04-07, 03:25
Hi gents,
A stupid questiosn if you dont mind....
Are there any sex toy shops in Copa area (or am I gonna have to bring my own!) and what has been your experience with having the girls get into playing with the toys?
Second, I see some pictures of chicas from the termas so I assume it si allowed. Any extra charge?
And how about Help girls and their attitude toward pictures?
Thank you.
BYOT. Bring Your Own Toys. The price is much higher for lower quality. The girls will thank you.
With the escorts I see that it is 100R for 2 hours, do the girls really stay for 2 hours, and you get as many pops as you can in that amount of time, or do they leave after the 1st pop?
Chris H
You pay for 2 hours, you get 2 hours and you can pop till you drop.
Escorts are a good alternative but it has been my experience that 100R escorts hardly ever look as good as their pictures. But everybody has different taste as evidenced by the photos in the photo section. It depends upon what you can stomach, if 100R is all you're willing to spend and you would be satisfied with a 4 or a 5 then it's a good choice.
I will be going to Rio and was trying to figure what to budget for food and liquor. I eat a couple of meals a day and would like to eat what the locals eat. I prefer to eat at the carts or stands and don't need full service restaurant. I also drink at the beach and will be hitting Help and or other venues and be drinking there also.
Because of the poor exchange rate and inflation Rio has become expensive again. Several years ago when the dollar was fetching close to 4 real I would eat at restaurants like Satyricon, Margutta, Mistura Fina, Antiquarius and so on. For old time sake I went to Don Camillo for lunch recently and it was $50, dinner for one was about $75, I eat less in these places now. It was cheap but since then now I eat in more budget places too, for example for breakfast hit one of the juice bars and get a cafezinho and a fruit drink smoothie, ask for a Acaie, pronounced A Say E, highly potent fruit from the Amazon, will give you so much energy all day you won't even need lunch, plus it's like viagra. Same for Guarana em po' , energy like you wouldn't believe, keeps you going, its another product from the Amazon. Total maybe $4.
For lunch if you're on the beach there are many ladies selling sanwiches or all kinds of cheap stuff in their basket. A good sandwich might be 3 or 4 dollars and a beer from a barraca is about 1 to a 1.50 dollars now.
Dinner can be a pizza at any Cafe along Ave. Atlantica like Le Maison on the corner of Santa Clara or walk down Rua Santa Clara there are several inexpensive restaurants there like Rians or go one more block to restaurant Santa Satisfacao which is right next to address 42 rua Santa Clara, not only will you get real good food here for a good price but it is a place where many young beautiful woman dine throughout the day and night while shopping on the street. Dinner $10 to $15.
Drinking in Help is not too bad, Red bull is $7.50 and Johnnie Walker Black is $6. Beer about $3, Rum and coke about $4 plus entrance fee which I forget but I think its about $18.
Dinner and a show: Try the cafe right outside of Help for dinner, Terraco Atlantico, not too expensive either and while you eat enjoy the freak show.
hi gents,
a stupid questiosn if you dont mind....
are there any sex toy shops in copa area (or am i gonna have to bring my own!)
the only one i know of in copa is on the ground floor of the peep show parlour, about half way along the main stretch of n.s.copa (main street). there's many more in centro - guys hand out flyers on the street.
Are there any sex toy shops in Copa area (or am I gonna have to bring my own!) and what has been your experience with having the girls get into playing with the toys?
And how about Help girls and their attitude toward pictures?
Sex shops. In Copa you find one shop in the Galeria at the corner of Av N S Copacabana and R Sigueira Campos and another one at Miami Show Center. In Centro there is one close to Metro Carioca. I guess there are propably tons of these shops.
Photos. In general brazilian girls love to pose nude. After internet becoming so popular many girls, specially Copa-girls, have become aware of the risk of getting their photos published on the internet.
Help girls are a strange breed. Some might happily pose for you, others will try to charge you for photos and others will break your camera if you take a picture.
I enjoy taking photos of the girls. Just ask politely, tell her how beautiful she is and that you want a picture to remember her. Digi cams are good. When the girls see how nice their bundas look like they want to pose even more. If you promise to mail her the pictures she might do a very nice photo session.
There's another Sex Shop on R Domingos Ferreira. The cross street is either R Santa Clara or R Figueiredo Magalhaes. (I cant remember.) Cant be missed-The entrance and facade is painted in RED.
Like ET said, Toys are very expensive. Expect to pay 3x more.
The selection is also limited.
Havahopeful
05-04-07, 18:22
I had some interesting conversations with some of the girls about their choices of which Termas to work at and pay and number of clients.
The information I received is as follows:
1. Lara at L'uomo told me she averages about 2 sessions a day 3 on a good day which is balanced by some days of 1 session. All of the 130R that is paid for the girls is kept by the girls.
2. The girl at Monte Carlos told me that girls often just pick a Terma among the Zona Sul termas depending on location and where their friends are. She told me that when she interviewed she had to wear a bikini and just discuss what she was willing to do (no sex tryout with management). She also said that they have doctors come and check them twice a week for stds and they are HIV tested once a month.
3. At 4x4 the girl told me she chose that Terma because even though she receives a little less per session she more than makes up that difference in volume.
All the girls told me they never go to Help. (Some how I doubt this is true)
Finally the masseuse at L'uomo is a great girl. Her english is very good, we had a lot of fun talking to her and she gives a nice massage as well.
When I find a gem at VM I can't help asking why she´s not working at Help. With really good looks and a perfect body she might score a sucker paying R$ 300/night.
Explanations to why they prefer VM::
- The majority of the VM-girls comes from Zona Norte or the suburbs. Friends, cousins or sisters introduced them to VM. VM is well known, Help isn´t.
- Surprisingly many of them never heard about Help, or they heard it's dangerous to work in Copa.
- In VM they have the security of the casa. In case something happens some big guys (or a lesbian King Kong woman) with sticks comes up quickly and solve the problem.
- In VM they are guaranteed customers. The "worst" I've seen was when visiting a freebie-girlfriend at VM around 11 pm. I checked the visitorsbook, 23 customers that day! Well, that makes R$ 460 for the girl. She had been working all afternoon and evening with a line of customers downstairs. Still smiling, "everybody was so nice to her".
- Working at VM fulltime in a couple of months, sleeping in the casa and spending almost nothing, can make some good money for a good-looking girl.
VM rules! :)
RioFavelaboy
05-04-07, 19:35
I had some interesting conversations with some of the girls about their choices of which Termas to work at and pay and number of clients.
The information I received is as follows:
1. Lara at L'uomo told me she averages about 2 sessions a day 3 on a good day which is balanced by some days of 1 session. All of the 130R that is paid for the girls is kept by the girls.
2. The girl at Monte Carlos told me that girls often just pick a Terma among the Zona Sul termas depending on location and where their friends are. She told me that when she interviewed she had to wear a bikini and just discuss what she was willing to do (no sex tryout with management). She also said that they have doctors come and check them twice a week for stds and they are HIV tested once a month.
3. At 4x4 the girl told me she chose that Terma because even though she receives a little less per session she more than makes up that difference in volume.
All the girls told me they never go to Help. (Some how I doubt this is true)
Finally the masseuse at L'uomo is a great girl. Her english is very good, we had a lot of fun talking to her and she gives a nice massage as well.A have a hopeful I just left Rio a week ago and had a similar situation with a girl from HELP, that said she used to work the Termas but said she makes much more at HELP and that most girls will only work one or the other.
She told me she would never work a Termas again because she can have 2 sessions during the day if the volume of mongers in copa is good and then hit Help at night, she also said that during New Years and Carnival her day sessions can be up to 4 and still will go to HELP.
Just adding to your post.
Both of your posts give short yet useful intel. Thanks
You pay for 2 hours, you get 2 hours and you can pop till you drop.
Escorts are a good alternative but it has been my experience that 100R escorts hardly ever look as good as their pictures. But everybody has different taste as evidenced by the photos in the photo section. It depends upon what you can stomach, if 100R is all you're willing to spend and you would be satisfied with a 4 or a 5 then it's a good choice.
It seems that an escort is a decent choice for a morning screw, because it seems to the only option at that time. I wanted to hook up with a girl in the morning when I arrive at 7am, and then take a nap and get ready for the major events.
- In VM they are guaranteed customers. The "worst" I've seen was when visiting a freebie-girlfriend at VM around 11 pm. I checked the visitorsbook, 23 customers that day!
VM rules! :)
This gives a whole new meaning to the term "Sloppy Seconds"
This gives a whole new meaning to the term "Sloppy Seconds"
It's also a very good business for the casa owner (O Chileno). At least R$ 115 for one cabin in one day without changing the sheets
It seems that an escort is a decent choice for a morning screw, because it seems to the only option at that time. I wanted to hook up with a girl in the morning when I arrive at 7am, and then take a nap and get ready for the major events.
If you arrive earlier, about 5 AM, take your pick somewhere outside Help. Even better, metro to Rio Branco, head to to Av Rio Branco 156 around 9.30. 33:rd floor, apto 3320 or 3330 (or wait 30 minutes more and head to apto 1706).
Escorts are a good alternative but it has been my experience that 100R escorts hardly ever look as good as their pictures. But everybody has different taste as evidenced by the photos in the photo section. It depends upon what you can stomach, if 100R is all you're willing to spend and you would be satisfied with a 4 or a 5 then it's a good choice.
Rio Bob,
Which agencies do you suggest to find some 8s and 9s (both on looks and service?
Since the faces are usually hidden, I would have never guessed that Karla models were so average!
Bizzie
Rio Rob,
Which agencies do you suggest to find some 8s and 9s (both on looks and service?
Since the faces are usually hidden, I would have never guessed that Karla models were so average!
Bizzie
Just as an example I have used this agency about 4 times and every girl gave great service and was very nice looking. Faces were covered on the website but the girl was high quality even educated, one was a medical student and spoke perfect English. I even had some arguements with the receptionist woman on the telephone a couple of times about price but they wouldn't negotiate and she told me these aren't trash girls you meet on the street or beach or even Help, these are high quality girls and she was right. This is just my taste, others may prefer something different.
www.riofantasy.net/
Even more so for this site, I used a couple of times, girls were beautiful and I couldn't ask for more as far as service is concerned: www.viprj.com.br/
Somebody mentioned here about using them in the morning, yes, I woke up one morning in Rio, I probably didn't have enough the night before for some reason, the 100 mg of vitamin V still pumping me up, I called riofantasy and had one delivered. She did me good for 2 hours, her speciality was couples and told me several stories about couples she did recently, it was great. By 11 am I shot my 2nd load for the day which she told me good for you having had 2 orgasms already today by 11am, good stuff.
Just curious, what were the going rates (and period of time)for the two services you reported about? Thanks.
Hi Bizzie and Rio Bob,
I am in Rio now and just checked the forum to see what is going on. Saw this post on Karla Models.
Rio Rob,
Which agencies do you suggest to find some 8s and 9s (both on looks and service? Since the faces are usually hidden, I would have never guessed that Karla models were so average!
Bizzie
However I do not entirely agree. I just had a girl from Karla Models yesterday and she brought the book with all the photos where everything including the face is visible. Her name was Yasmim. Her looks were average yes, but her service was excellent. In the book they had some 3 or 4 real stunners. I liked Fernanda Wells, Thaylane, Daiane. I always had good service from Karla by the way. So far I was never dissappointed.
So get one of them over, look in the book and make your choice for the next ones.
cheers,
Ducth44
Tiradentes
05-05-07, 16:31
Folks, I just came back from a trip to Rio.
As I was going though customs, I noticed that the agents nowadays have computer monitors in front of them. The agent that called me in looked at my passport, saw the dozens or so stamps I had from my earlier visits then let me in. No questions asked
A week later as I was leaving Rio, the agent at the airport did the following things:
-Scanned my passport
-Entered my name electronically in his PC (I saw him typing his keyboard) and few more numbers.
He didn’t ask me a single question but the entire process took about 2-3 minutes and it was nerve cracking as I was late for my plane.
I was hoping if somebody could shed some info on this matter. I.e., are they keeping an electronic list of foreigners coming in and out of Brazil?
p.s.: Don't you ever Never fly during a frigging FERIDAO in Brazil!
I had some interesting conversations with some of the girls about their choices of which Termas to work at and pay and number of clients.
The information I received is as follows:
1. Lara at L'uomo told me she averages about 2 sessions a day 3 on a good day which is balanced by some days of 1 session. All of the 130R that is paid for the girls is kept by the girls.
2. The girl at Monte Carlos told me that girls often just pick a Terma among the Zona Sul termas depending on location and where their friends are. She told me that when she interviewed she had to wear a bikini and just discuss what she was willing to do (no sex tryout with management). She also said that they have doctors come and check them twice a week for stds and they are HIV tested once a month.
3. At 4x4 the girl told me she chose that Terma because even though she receives a little less per session she more than makes up that difference in volume.
All the girls told me they never go to Help. (Some how I doubt this is true)
Finally the masseuse at L'uomo is a great girl. Her english is very good, we had a lot of fun talking to her and she gives a nice massage as well.The morena masseuse at L'uomo is great. The blonde always gets bad reviews.
Exec Talent
05-05-07, 16:53
Hi Bizzie and Rio Bob,
I am in Rio now and just checked the forum to see what is going on. Saw this post on Karla Models.
However I do not entirely agree. I just had a girl from Karla Models yesterday and she brought the book with all the photos where everything including the face is visible. Her name was Yasmim. Her looks were average yes, but her service was excellent. In the book they had some 3 or 4 real stunners. I liked Fernanda Wells, Thaylane, Daiane. I always had good service from Karla by the way. So far I was never dissappointed.
So get one of them over, look in the book and make your choice for the next ones.
cheers,
Ducth44
In general, escorts are not as attractive as the termas girls. However, my experience has been that the level of service is outstanding. Although I did not find Yasmin particularly attractive, she was one of the nicest people I have met in my life. Just a genuinely sweet girl.
Speaking of escorts ... one mistakenly rang my bell (literally) today. I was tempted but told her she had the wrong place. She was a looker.
Just curious, what were the going rates (and period of time)for the two services you reported about? Thanks.
I was in Rio this past February and called Company Girl, sent over a girl 130R plus taxi, nice person but I couldn't even kiss her, ugly as sin, I will never do that again, waste of time and money.
I last used RioFantasy in 2006, they charged 300R for each girl but as far as I was concerned well worth it, great service and good looking but expensive and if you really like her you can call her back for a repeat and negotiate a lower price without the agency.
I last used VipRj in 2005, they charged different prices for each girl, for example the highlighted girls on the first page may start at 500R, girls on the general page will start at 300R, depends on which one you pick. I still maintain contact with one of these girls she is on my MSN buddy list and she recently told me her going rate is 500R. I know her for a few years so when the dollar was stronger it wasn't so bad, I still remember my sessions with this girl that's how good it was while I'm trying to forget my session with that girl from Company Girl.
These agencies aren't for everybody, it's like a special treat now to have something special especially with the weak dollar.
Charles Green
05-05-07, 18:24
Rio Rob,
Which agencies do you suggest to find some 8s and 9s (both on looks and service?
Since the faces are usually hidden, I would have never guessed that Karla models were so average!
BizzieHi Bizzi! Is Evelyn an 8s or 9s in your mind? She is a carioca, but actually working at Cologne area! "www.6relax.de/Privat-Lounge ". Before I leave for brasil I usually pay her a visit - pretty hard to find something like her in brasil, some time before she did nearly the whole formula one circus!!
Folks, I just came back from a trip to Rio.
As I was going though customs, I noticed that the agents nowadays have computer monitors in front of them. The agent that called me in looked at my passport, saw the dozens or so stamps I had from my earlier visits then let me in. No questions asked
A week later as I was leaving Rio, the agent at the airport did the following things:
-Scanned my passport
-Entered my name electronically in his PC (I saw him typing his keyboard) and few more numbers.
He didn’t ask me a single question but the entire process took about 2-3 minutes and it was nerve cracking as I was late for my plane.
I was hoping if somebody could shed some info on this matter. I.e., are they keeping an electronic list of foreigners coming in and out of Brazil?
p.s.: Don't you ever Never fly during a frigging FERIDAO in Brazil!While this hasn't happened to me, I've seen it. There was a short air controller strike. What going on now is just a work slow down. Since they aren't on strike, they're trying to get another point across. You really need to be at the airport 3 hours before your flight to avoid all yhe crap.
Ryjer
I will be in Rio in a few weeks, and I was looking for other possible agencies. I have used Karla models a few times before. Just decent looks, but the grand majority of the times I have had very good service.
As for CompanyGirl, its really hit and miss, about half the garotas have not given good service. For example, Pietra ( I must say that she does have one of the best bodies I have seen around Rio ) and Duda had restrictions, so I would not repeat or recommend. But a dupla I had with Manuela and liliane was most memorable. So its really a hit and miss situation. I usually call for a delivery on a rainy day.
Exec. Talent, I agree with you, Yasmin is a very nice person. I think I will give her a buzz when I get down there in a few weeks.
I will be in Brazil for a month, so i will get to experiment and try a new agency or two. Laters!
I will be in Brazil for a month, so i will get to experiment and try a new agency or two. Laters!
If you're going to be in Rio for a month then check out this site, it's nothing new but it has several escort sites linked to it plus independents. you can negotiate with the independents, some of them are from Barra, have boyfriends and friends and go to Nuth on Saturday night. No one knows they do this for extra cash but they do and I like this type.
www.escortgirl.com.br/
Thanks for link, try this one out, definitely has independents too. But I like your suggestion better, the girls from Barra with boyfriends who do their naughty bus. on the side. I am going to try to figure out who they are. Should be interesting hunting.
http://www.hotside.com.br/hotside.htm
Folks, I just came back from a trip to Rio.
As I was going though customs, I noticed that the agents nowadays have computer monitors in front of them. The agent that called me in looked at my passport, saw the dozens or so stamps I had from my earlier visits then let me in. No questions asked
A week later as I was leaving Rio, the agent at the airport did the following things:
-Scanned my passport
-Entered my name electronically in his PC (I saw him typing his keyboard) and few more numbers.
He didn’t ask me a single question but the entire process took about 2-3 minutes and it was nerve cracking as I was late for my plane.
I was hoping if somebody could shed some info on this matter. I.e., are they keeping an electronic list of foreigners coming in and out of Brazil?
p.s.: Don't you ever Never fly during a frigging FERIDAO in Brazil!
This is very common. I was in 5 different countries last year. They all scan your passport. May be Brazil is just starting to do that.
Just as an example I have used this agency about 4 times and every girl gave great service and was very nice looking. Faces were covered on the website but the girl was high quality even educated, one was a medical student and spoke perfect English. I even had some arguements with the receptionist woman on the telephone a couple of times about price but they wouldn't negotiate and she told me these aren't trash girls you meet on the street or beach or even Help, these are high quality girls and she was right. This is just my taste, others may prefer something different.
www.riofantasy.net/
Even more so for this site, I used a couple of times, girls were beautiful and I couldn't ask for more as far as service is concerned: www.viprj.com.br/
Thanks for links guys. Will sure to check out the some of the talent.
I was not try to knock Karla's but the pictures I saw here were average.
I'd just like them to be pretty and be "cooompletah"! And dont mind paying a little extra.
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]In general, escorts are not as attractive as the termas girls. However, my experience has been that the level of service is outstanding. QUOTE]
ET and Rio Bob and Off Road (others with experience),
Thanks for your insight. I think you may be right on the money about the service.
In my experience from Terma like places in other countries (German FKK, Thailand etc), the service is usually mechanical. A lot of acting instead of real passion.
I have been told by more than a couple of girls in both Germany and Thailand that they try not to really 'get into it' (i.e have orgasm) with clients becuase they become too relaxed afterwards and cannot or dont feel like servicing next clients.
Could same be true in Brazil? That the Terma girls can't let it hang loose because they have to go for the next victim soon. But may be the agency girls are more free to enjoy themselves becuase their next client is not on the other side of the door?
Bizzie.
I think what your lady in Europe said to you maybe true, but another contributing factor could be that many gdp's are lesbians too. Obviously not all, but are larger percentage than most think.
In my experience from Terma like places in other countries (German FKK, Thailand etc), the service is usually mechanical. A lot of acting instead of real passion.
I have been told by more than a couple of girls in both Germany and Thailand that they try not to really 'get into it' (i.e have orgasm) with clients becuase they become too relaxed afterwards and cannot or dont feel like servicing next clients.
Could same be true in Brazil? That the Terma girls can't let it hang loose because they have to go for the next victim soon. But may be the agency girls are more free to enjoy themselves becuase their next client is not on the other side of the door?
Bizzie,
I have posted repeatedly on the FKK/Terma comparison, and I can tell you that your terma guess is fortunately not correct.
For a girl to make a living at the typical German FKK, she has to have at least two customers on a day before she can make any money. This is because the FKK girls are independent operators, who have to pony up the entrance fee, too. (That's how FKKs get around the German law that allows prostitution, but forbids pimping.) So the girls really need to move on after their session, and they need to save their energy for hunting down the next guy. That's why they don't like to O.
At a terma the girls make a good living if they have one paying customer in a night. So it is very common that the girls hang out with you after a session for the rest of your stay (if you want this, that is). Often you even see a girl sit and drink with a guy for the whole evening without a session aver taking place. Not unusual, because the price for a session at a copa terma is very high for Brazilian wallets.
So, if a girl only expects one client per evening, she can let it all hang out. It's up to you and your chemistry with the girl to make it work. Absolutely different from an FKK! If you make a connection with a girl, she will occasionally also come back to your hotel with you. This is very much frowned upon by the copa termas, and so the whole arrangment for take-out has to be made very hush-hush. If you play your cards right, they even come with you for free. (This can open another can of worms, of course, if they get too clingy. Many posts have been made on that subject ...)
euro
I went to 4x4, Centaurus, and Cancun.
4x4 had a lot of girls (I think I went later on a Tuesday or Thursday) but not many of them were really my type (I don't like the big butts). First terma visit, I think I was too nervous to really have a good opinion. It was too crowded to really check out the girls.
I later went to Centaurus with someone from the board (thanks for the help btw). Definately better lookers there, I don't know if I got a much better performance though than in 4x4. Too expensive for my tastes. Go after 7 to be sure all the girls are there.
I also tried Cancun. I wish I had gone there first. Some points about Cancun: Some girls will have a 2-10 PM shift so they can leave earlier. I suspect like Cancun all will be there by around 7 PM or so. I showed up on Monday at about 8 PM, there were 15 girls maybe 4 guys. I like those odds. Not many were my type, but one was and we had some nice unrushed quality time in the boite before going upstairs. I avoided this place on Mondays at first because I thought it'd be dead, doh. When I left a bit before 11 PM there were a lot more guys, glad I got there at 8. I had met up with Tatiana, a great kisser (at least with me), BBBJ but no completa or whatever.
I don't know why I was so stupid, but at one point I did go to central on the weekend. Yes everything was closed, which I didn't expect. Walking around I had no problems, but I wasn't smart and take a taxi straight out I waited a bit at a bus stop where I was alone. Yep, got robbed. Nothing too terrible, the guy didn't hurt me only moved to keep me caged in where I couldn't see. I probably could've taken the guy but that would have been stupid (maybe he had backup, a weapon, etc). The point of this story? He went through my pockets and found the are$40 in my wallet. I didn't help him go through my other pockets, just kept asking for fim to leave some bus money. Its good to just slow things down he had a lookout signalling when its time to go. He had no interest in my tourist map while going through my other pockets- I had r$300-r$400 folded up in there he never found. So thats a good place to hide your dough. Never expose this money on the street though maybe this trick will stay a secret.
Given how I it could have played out, I considered it a rather inexpensive lesson in street smarts (now the plumber I had hired, he's a #$at#ass bandit that makes me mad). Don't be stupid about going to central on weekends, don't wait alone where someone can sneak up on you, and catch a cab the second you see things aren't right. I had actually passed on a couple copa buses hoping to get one closer to home. The copa buses would have saved me the $40 stolen and a $25 cabride.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Folks, I just came back from a trip to Rio.
As I was going though customs, I noticed that the agents nowadays have computer monitors in front of them. The agent that called me in looked at my passport, saw the dozens or so stamps I had from my earlier visits then let me in. No questions asked
A week later as I was leaving Rio, the agent at the airport did the following things:
-Scanned my passport
-Entered my name electronically in his PC (I saw him typing his keyboard) and few more numbers.
He didn’t ask me a single question but the entire process took about 2-3 minutes and it was nerve cracking as I was late for my plane.
I was hoping if somebody could shed some info on this matter. I.e., are they keeping an electronic list of foreigners coming in and out of Brazil?
p.s.: Don't you ever Never fly during a frigging FERIDAO in Brazil!
They keep electronic records of us going in/out of Brasil.
Policia Federal offices in big cities, all over Brasil, have online access on that info.
El Greco
Mr Enternational
05-07-07, 01:03
Great site. I swear by Latinamericancupid though. It is better because there are women from all over the world. There are an average of 1000 people online at a time, whereas I remember Brazilcupid being much much smaller (about 80 people on at a time) and only women in Brazil. I was already on the latin one and when the brazil one started up they gave me like 3 months free on it. If someone from Ghana or Nigeria pops up to talk just click them off. It is a money scam. One girl who I know...Her brother fell for the scam. They showed him a picture of a beautiful woman, sent him a money order for 3500 to cash, he deposited it in the bank, sent the money western union, then the bank returned the money order saying it was counterfeit. Now he owes the bank 3500.
Greetings members, in three weeks I will be in Rio. After reviewing a few posts I dediced to sign up w/brazilcupid.com to see if I could meet a few non-pros. This is my third day with them and I have received so many responses I can't handle the traffic. When I go to the site I have to disable letting women know I'am online because too many start sending emails. I'am just a average single guy. Unmarried. No kids. Just learning to speak Portuguese. Speak some Spanish etc.
My question is to anybody that has used this site, do a lot of pros troll here for prospects? Maybe 50% of the women responding are drop dead gorgeous. Any information on personal experiences would be appreciated. Enjoy!
Exec. Talent, I agree with you, Yasmin is a very nice person. I think I will give her a buzz when I get down there in a few weeks.Mangera, Exec. Talent...please tell me.
Is this Yasmin the same one who was at Scortshow a year ago? I still remember that girl. What a nice girl!
Bizzie,
I have posted repeatedly on the FKK/Terma comparison, and I can tell you that your terma guess is fortunately not correct.
So, if a girl only expects one client per evening, she can let it all hang out. It's up to you and your chemistry with the girl to make it work. Absolutely different from an FKK! If you make a connection with a girl, she will occasionally also come back to your hotel with you. This is very much frowned upon by the copa termas, and so the whole arrangment for take-out has to be made very hush-hush. If you play your cards right, they even come with you for free. (This can open another can of worms, of course, if they get too clingy. Many posts have been made on that subject ...)
euro
Euro,
I was diappointed with my FKK experience, but am a lot more hopeful for terma action.
As I said earlier, I can score plenty of average girls with average performance, but if I am crosssing over to the other side, it better be something special. That's the hope anyway, YMMV!!
Thanks.
El Austriaco
05-07-07, 05:22
If someone from Ghana or Nigeria pops up to talk just click them off. It is a money scam. One girl who I know...Her brother fell for the scam. They showed him a picture of a beautiful woman, sent him a money order for 3500 to cash, he deposited it in the bank, sent the money western union, then the bank returned the money order saying it was counterfeit. Now he owes the bank 3500.
I can second that... every single one of these Ghanan or Nigerian chicks is a scam. I just gave up on them, considering that they always ask for money pretty much straight away and never have a cam. Don't waste your time with them.
EA
I don't agree that in the past they kept an electronic record of your stay or stays. Every person I have ever spoken to that has his visa extended with the federal police says that the simply count the stamps in your passport and work out how long you have stayed. They definitely do no use an electronic systme.
I personally had a shitload of stamps in my passport, one time I knew I only had about 2 weeks left in the year to max out my maximum stay of 6 months. They gave me another 3 months upon entry, hence I stayed the full 3 months and no one said anything the next or subsequent times I have entered.
Now they are scanning passports. Not all airports have them nor do they use them all the time. Last time I entered São paulo they scanned my passport, I asked him what he was doing this for. He said they are rolling out a new system that will be fully operational in a year or 2. I am thinking *it will be recording* all records in the future.
HoleRanger
05-08-07, 03:02
Gents so far it's been interesting, after one week I received emails from 22 interested ladies. Two were obvious pro's sent photos too quick and asked for plane fare etc. Of the remainder half were divorced/separated and half were single. All in all. 8 on the "A" list and the rest on the"be" list, tentatively I've made plans to meet 3 so far. Responses were not just from Rio but also. Switzerland. London. Chile etc. It's what you make it, I just wanted to meet a few of the typical brazilian ladies and I will get my chance. First up a few termas on arrival. Enjoy!
I heard that Bobby from blameitonrio, was arrested for dealing.
he was released but is hiding out in his apt.
While the police investigate his business.
Is this old info that was being brought up again or is this accurate new info?
Just interested to know if anyone has any knowledge of this.
I thought it was just an old story being brought up again but I am not sure.
RioFavelaboy
05-08-07, 18:57
I heard that Bobby from blameitonrio, was arrested for dealing.
he was released but is hiding out in his apt.
While the police investigate his business.
Is this old info that was being brought up again or is this accurate new info?
Just interested to know if anyone has any knowledge of this.
I thought it was just an old story being brought up again but I am not sure.I'm afraid this time it's true, I'll be back in Rio Saturday and will report back with all I can find out, but Bobby and one of his workers were arrested 2 weeks ago for dealing in Marijuana, the BRAZILIAN FEDS are supposed to have tapped his phone and have recorded conversations of him and this employee brokering major deals.
The info I'm getting is that his business is allowed to stay open but he can't even go into the place and that he may be facing deportation.
Several of my buddies are filtering back from Rio and this has been the main topic of conversation.
I'll report back after I touch down Saturday.
Favelaboy
I have not been to Rio for about 6 months, but there are a couple of things I noticed. One, the initial taxi meter starts at 4.30R. Second, I could only exchange money at 1.90 or 1.95 yesterday. I am in Rio for 10 days, so if anyone wants to get together, contact me.
Viper10
I don't agree that in the past they kept an electronic record of your stay or stays. Every person I have ever spoken to that has his visa extended with the federal police says that the simply count the stamps in your passport and work out how long you have stayed. They definitely do no use an electronic systme.
I personally had a shitload of stamps in my passport, one time I knew I only had about 2 weeks left in the year to max out my maximum stay of 6 months. They gave me another 3 months upon entry, hence I stayed the full 3 months and no one said anything the next or subsequent times I have entered.
Now they are scanning passports. Not all airports have them nor do they use them all the time. Last time I entered São paulo they scanned my passport, I asked him what he was doing this for. He said they are rolling out a new system that will be fully operational in a year or 2. I am thinking *it will be recording* all records in the future.
Last January I went to Fortaleza's Policia Federal for a visa extension with a brand new passport.
Actually all Greeks had to change their passport in 2006.
The lady asked me when was my last visit to Brasil. I told her sometime in January 2006 but I could not remember the exact day. So she took my passport went to a computer terminal and she came back after a few minutes whith a print out of my 2006 entry/exit.
She told me that they now keep electronic records in all major cities.
El Greco
Safado6 why publish such a nasty and (by your own admission) baseless rumor about Bobby?
Safado6 why publish such a nasty and (by your own admission) baseless rumor about Bobby?
I dont think the rumor is baseless. I heard the same exact story, from two people who live in Rio.
RioFavelaboy
05-09-07, 12:36
Safado6 why publish such a nasty and (by your own admission) baseless rumor about Bobby?Hey Veterano,
I just wanted to say that I hope you're not offended by my post, I know Bobby, and have even used his agency several times, I've been going to Brazil since 2001.
I only relayed to the forum what has been said and yes I've talked to a couple of Garotas down in Copa and they are claiming it's true what happened to Bobby and like I've said several friends who have been in Copa over the last couple of weeks that are returning from trips are bringing this story back to the states as well.
I know your post was directed to Safado6, but I think the guy is just putting it out there that this the story he is getting, I just hope for Bobby's sake it is a rumor and not true he's a nice guy.
But if it's true lets just wish the man the best of luck and hope he's able maintain his standard of living and that the Barzilian Government won't hang him out to dry.
I dont think the rumor is baseless. I heard the same exact story, from two people who live in Rio.
People from another board told me that one of his employees was using the computers in his store to make drug deals. As a result, he was taken in for questioning. He may have spent a half day behind bars, but he is out.
People from another board told me that one of his employees was using the computers in his store to make drug deals. As a result, he was taken in for questioning. He may have spent a half day behind bars, but he is out.
You are correct, he is out, but that doesnt mean that the ordeal is over. He is still under investigation and may have charges filed against him. I like Bobby alot, hopefully, this will all go away.
Exec Talent
05-09-07, 22:56
I have e-mailed Bobby and let him know of the discussion here. It would be good to hear his side. If or until then may I suggest we table this discussion.
I suggest that all these hearsay posts containing at best malicious gossip be deleted to avoid further damage to Bobby!
I suggest that all these hearsay posts containing at best malicious gossip be deleted to avoid further damage to Bobby!
Maybe you havent read the previous posts. Bobby WAS arrested, its not "malicious gossip". The only thing we dont know, is if he will be charged with a crime.
Bobby and I fell out a few years ago and I decided to take my business and referrals elsewhere. Nothing major---didnt like how things were handled so I moved on. That being said, I would not want to see an innocent man get railroaded to a Brazillian jail. This smells like either a setup or one of the "lets go after the rich gringo" situations
I can definitely see one of his employees running a side drug operation from his store unbeknownst to him. Of course the brazillian feds will get no kudos or headlines from a local selling a few ounces of marijuana out of a travel agency...BUT rich gringo arrested for dealing?
if he has connections and he is innocent, this will get squashed fairly quickly. If not, he can expect to pay hefty sum to clear his name.
Bravo ~ you say you "heard the story" ~ and now you are repeating it ~ and you have no personal knowledge whatsoever ~ that is what I mean by "malicious gossip"
Are you a competitor of Bobby or otherwise out to get him?
Have you been to Rio and have you ever met Bobby"?
Please shut up about this unless you have some facts of your personal knowledge ~ and even if you do, shut up anyway!
Veterano
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Exec Talent
05-10-07, 14:18
--- bobby@blameitonrio4travel.com wrote:
> Good morning xxx,
>
> People love to start rumors. They are all false. I
> WAS NEVER ARRESTED. ASK
> THEM TO GET A POLICE REPORT WITH MY NAME ON IT. IT
> IS ALL LIES. I HAVE
> NOTHING TO DEFEND.
>
> Please post this for me.
Bobby Blame It
05-10-07, 15:14
If anyone out there knows me, you know I do not use drugs or sell drugs. I have never given drugs to any clients. I stay away from all thise things just for the reasons that people are talking about now. Know your facts before you distroy a person livelyhood and charater.
Blame It On Rio 4 Travel is one of the only legitment travel agencies. I have all the proper documents to run my agency. Ask all the other ones that came along way after me, ask if they are legit in Brazil. Most are not. Gringo, EZ, etc.
This is my last response to these false acusations. I hope now the rumors will be put to rest.
Bobby R. Frischman
Bravo ~ you say you "heard the story" ~ and now you are repeating it ~ and you have no personal knowledge whatsoever ~ that is what I mean by "malicious gossip"
Are you a competitor of Bobby or otherwise out to get him?
Have you been to Rio and have you ever met Bobby"?
Please shut up about this unless you have some facts of your personal knowledge ~ and even if you do, shut up anyway!
Veterano
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Breathe dude! Breathe! Its alright! Just calm down!
I've been traveling to Brasil for many many many years. I knew Bobby loooong before he ever opened a business, when he was just a guy who sat around MP all day long, talking to fellow NYers. I know his family business, I've even partied with his mother, on her Birthday.
Let me state again, because obviously you havent read my post very well. I like Bobby, he is a great guy. Unfortunately, he probably has the worst luck of any person I have ever met!!! He has had more misfortunes in brasil than you would believe! Sit down with him one day and ask about some of his adventures, this guy could write a book about his trials and tribulations in Brasil.
He has also had bad luck in hiring employees too. This year he had to fire one of his employees for stealing! I cant remember his name right now, but he was the indian looking guy who used to stand in the doorway all the time. Apparently, he was fudging the books and computers, took a while before Bobby finally figured out what was going on.
Since you have deemed yourself "the fact finder" of the board. Ask him if one of his employees was arrested recently for selling drugs. Ask him whether he was using Bobby's office for his business. Ask Bobby if he was brought to the police station because the police thought he might be in on the dealing. Then report back to us what his response is. Since you think I am such a liar, than I must be lying about everything! I will be eagerly awaing your post and your apology.
Just went to a Citibank and the receipt printed out a 2.02 exchange rate, minus the 6 real fee.
Viper10
Let's hear about Bobby's misfortunes in brazil? He seems to have a great job. One thing is for sure, now I know why he never answers his emails. His employees are all selling drugs.
Pretzel Bobby? The old timers in Rio know him as Pretzel Bobby, one of his early ventures in Rio was to sell pretzels and maybe Bagels to the Cariocas but I don’t think it went over too well. You gotta give him credit, he survived there.
He wanted to sell pretzels in the malls in those little kioks, but he got screwed out of the deal. Turns out, the malls awarded the contract to some brasilian and he was making money, hand over fist (Meanwhile, Bobby lost a bundle of money on the pretzels that sat in inventory, that he never could get to sell)
I cant even tell you how much money Bobby has lost in Brasil because of bad business deals, most unlucky person I have ever met. If someone had told me 15 years ago, that Bobby would have a SUCCESSFULL business in Rio, I would have fallen off my chair from laughter. But I have to take my hat off to him, after all these years, he is kicking ass and standing tall!!
OK, I tried Luomo again tonight. A long time since I last went. But the experience was very similar.
All the girls are eights and nines on looks. A girl called Monique (from Vitoria) exchanges smiles as she is dancing and comes over as I sip a Skol in the corner of the bar. Pleasantries, French kisses, plenty of body contact, and teasing each other as she dances with her bunda bouncing off my robed pogostick.
She encourages me to grope her through her bikini bottom and accompanies me to a seat. We fool around some, then get up for a dance. Off to the room. Her body is still moving to the hiphop beat coming thru the walls. Unlike the VM girls who are usually glad to put a thin partition between the noise, she seems to quite enjoy it. I guess it is a distraction though while she continues on autopilot, which annoys me slightly. I prefer to call the shots unless the chica has something amazing to show me This one is profesional, but no way is she going into any emotional sincerity zone.
I give in and let her call the tune, which she does with consummate skill for the 40 minutes. We´ve gone from missionary to both face down to doggy to me standing at the side of the bed, to sideways (which she was not too keen on), to spoon and then mucking around sitting facing each other cross-legged (at least this one gets a genuine reaction as I get a game going to amuse her). Finally we try me on my back with her astride, which seems the right combination for our anatomies as she can rub her pubis against the muscles of my lower abdomen (so pleased I went to the gym today! <g>). She does not quite come, but at least is engaging a bit more now. I would have been bored ages ago but I am impressed that she is working so hard for her money. And is constantly polite. It is not really what I am looking for, but as far as it goes it is good.
Í am not planning to shoot my load at this point. It is nearly midnight and the talent will be kicking back out of Help in a few hours. But Monique is determined. By now, the auto pilot is slowing down a bit. She starts giving me a slow hand job plus BJ, and I start playing idly with her clit. With nothing to lose, she does not have to try so hard, and starts listening to her body (and mine), getting into it.
She was very sweet as I left. I think she lacked experience in making a genuine bond, but did have a large portfolio of tricks.
Overall it was a pleasant experience and I wish I could be as enthusiastic as the Luomo afficionados on here. It is not one I would, with hindsight, opt to pay for. 240R is one pop at Luomo or 8 pops in a downtown dive - or VM - and money left for drinks etc. At VM, if I pick and choose to look for gems, I can usually find one out of five that is worth seeing regularly. And if I hit a dud it can be over in a few minutes with little loss of face or impact on the bankroll.
With doing quantity, I find a better chance of finding a girl that is determined to come, is quite happy to go to sleep afterwards, and will tell the casa mama to get lost if anyone tries to call time. There are treasures there I enjoy seeing year after year. There are others that I just find fun to hang out with over a few beers and some music.
Many people find the opposite and love Luomo but find dirty sheets in the lowlife joints offputting. When I want cotton sheets I have my own in my apartment (my humble upgrade). Maybe I am common. I like the diamonds in the dust. The ones that are nicely packaged (in the tier one termas) remind me of a new version of Windows. Each time they do impressive things incredibly well (usually) but with scant regard to what I actually want. I cannot say it is not value for money - look at everything you get. But it just is not as tasty when it comes to biting apples and cherries.
Exec Talent
05-11-07, 08:20
The ones that are nicely packaged (in the tier one termas) remind me of a new version of Windows. Each time they do impressive things incredibly well (usually) but with scant regard to what I actually want. I cannot say it is not value for money - look at everything you get. But it just is not as tasty when it comes to biting apples and cherries.
Every time I see someone fumbling with Vista™, the latest version of Microsoft® Windows, I cannot help but thinking to myself, “it would do exactly what you want, if only you knew what you were doing.”
If ever you become close to GDPs (and women in general), it is very interesting to hear what they think of their “users.” Most will tell you that few are as expert as they think and even though they try as nicely as possible to provide “tech support,” most guys don’t follow directions well and will never get it.
Every time I see someone fumbling with Vista™, the latest version of Microsoft® Windows, I cannot help but thinking to myself, “it would do exactly what you want, if only you knew what you were doing.”
If ever you become close to GDPs (and women in general), it is very interesting to hear what they think of their “users.” Most will tell you that few are as expert as they think and even though they try as nicely as possible to provide “tech support,” most guys don’t follow directions well and will never get it.LOL!
I'll never forget the time an adorable 19 year old garota friend in Luomo told me, "See that guy over there? He fucked me for the whole hour the other night. It was HORRIBLE!!!"
Getting to know them enough that they really open up to you can be a real education.
After reading the recent reviews of Luomo, I thought that definitely it was on a downward spiral. Much to my delight, I found Luomo pretty much the same as the past several years. My buddies and I visited last night and had a great time. There was a rotation of 13-15 girls, all with pretty good quality. At first, the girls were just sitting down looking bored. I never know if it is the drinks, or the music, but after an hour or two, the place was jumping. My 2 friends each had 2 girls, and I had 1 girl, so we had a total of 5 girls. All sessions were great, with the usual BBBJ, AR, and whatever floats your boat. We all left very pleased. Sometimes I feel people do not give Luomo a chance. To get the whole feel, you need to spend several hours, drink a little bit, and give the girls a chance to go through their motions. I definitely will be going back this trip.
Viper10
Exec Talent
05-11-07, 17:18
After reading the recent reviews of Luomo, I thought that definitely it was on a downward spiral. Much to my delight, I found Luomo pretty much the same as the past several years. My buddies and I visited last night and had a great time. There was a rotation of 13-15 girls, all with pretty good quality. At first, the girls were just sitting down looking bored. I never know if it is the drinks, or the music, but after an hour or two, the place was jumping. My 2 friends each had 2 girls, and I had 1 girl, so we had a total of 5 girls. All sessions were great, with the usual BBBJ, AR, and whatever floats your boat. We all left very pleased. Sometimes I feel people do not give Luomo a chance. To get the whole feel, you need to spend several hours, drink a little bit, and give the girls a chance to go through their motions. I definitely will be going back this trip.
Viper10
I have been there when there was no one. The girls were practically sleeping. Then suddenly someone they are put on alert that a group just arrived. Suddenly, all the girls are up and dancing and in marketing mode. GDPs, some of the best actresses on the planet. They convinced you.
I have been there when there was no one. The girls were practically sleeping. Then suddenly someone they are put on alert that a group just arrived. Suddenly, all the girls are up and dancing and in marketing mode. GDPs, some of the best actresses on the planet. They convinced you.
They sure did, and they always do! :)
Every time I see someone fumbling with Vista™, the latest version of Microsoft® Windows, I cannot help but thinking to myself, “it would do exactly what you want, if only you knew what you were doing.”
If ever you become close to GDPs (and women in general), it is very interesting to hear what they think of their “users.” Most will tell you that few are as expert as they think and even though they try as nicely as possible to provide “tech support,” most guys don’t follow directions well and will never get it.
Well sure, except I have dated and lived with several GDPs and am aware of most of the routines. I also have (non-sex) close friends who are GDPs. Someone mentioned BKK recently - it´s a bit like knowing a katoy before and after - she´ll point out all the tricks of the trade.
The Vista comparison was just to try to make it a more interesting read. I personally do use Windows, but as far as the comparison with GDPs goes I am reminded of the current Apple adverts and would side with Apple.
I don´t expect consensus on here. I prefer the chicas from the cheap places mostly. Over several years I have had more quality experience with them than the upmarket ones. Where I have got close to an upmarket one it has usually been when she is not working and she only told me later that she worked. That does not mean someone else will find the same - read the variety of experience for what it is worth and take something positive. Don´t get all defensive about Luomo or do the macho posturing bit please - I am not knocking the place - in fact I was hesitant to post as many people like it and with good reason (it is fun, it is business like, there are good looking women, and so on). I prefer to post experiences than argue the frickin toss - I don´t see much point in contributing otherwise and will happily quit doing so.
I could say guys respect women who charge less than women who don´t charge. But they respect women who charge less even less than ones who charge more. <G>
As Oscar Wilde said to the woman who turned him down after she had said she would sleep with him for a thousand pounds (And after he had offered her a tenner, to which she replied, what do you think I am, a wh*re?) His retort was, we have already established what you are, madam, we are merely quibbling over the price.
regards
I remember when I first started seeing the influx of guys from American and I was like "Damn there goes paradise!" Then I realized, WHO CARES? Rio is what you make it. I was in Rio last month and I probably had less fun than ever, which is why I did not make a report. I got sick and 2 of my wingmen could not make the trip. Bummer, but I will be back in November and I promise some results! Gentlemen, please don't get things twisted. Stop all the I know more about what she (GDP) wants than you do. Do you really or is she just ACTING?
PS- ET you are right, they called it money! I don't care what country you're in women respond the same way. Just show them some money they can get from you.
RonnyRon
I can not believe guys are debating about what P4P place is better than the other. I have not been to Rio yet, but I am very sure there is good in both places. I have mongered in many countries, and I have to agree with Christopherd, that the places that are not all expensive and made out for tourist, are usually the spots you get the best action.
IMHO
Chris H
Gentlemen, please don't get things twisted. Stop all the I know more about what she wants than you do. Do you really or is she just ACTING?
Christopherd wrote an interesting report. If others think they can do better, then let's see your reports! Just sitting back, nitpicking other guys' reports, and pretending to have some sort of deeper insight into the soul of the GDP than the original poster is really not contributing anything.
The GDPs are ALL acting. So what, big deal! I am acting, too. I don't tell them my real name, city, country, occupation, age, anything. We are all playing a game here. I bring the money, the GDPs bring the pussy and as much fake emotions as they think I want. It's all good. So relax a bit!
euro
JackNimble
05-12-07, 05:08
As Oscar Wilde said to the woman who turned him down after she had said she would sleep with him for a thousand pounds (And after he had offered her a tenner, to which she replied, what do you think I am, a wh*re?) His retort was, we have already established what you are, madam, we are merely quibbling over the price.
regards[/QUOTE]I never thought I'd quote him on this board, but it was Sir Winston Churchill who said that - NOT Oscar Wilde (who was flaming gay by the way and never whoulf have propositioned a woman in that way).
Among Churchill's other great quotes:
Elizabeth Braddock: Mr. Churchill, this is a disgrace. You are quite drunk.
Churchill: This may be well and true, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.
Lady Nancy Astor: Winston, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea.
Churchill: Nancy, if I were your husband, I'd drink it.
Not so off topic in my opinion when dealing with certain of the GDP!
I visited Monte Carlo yesterday. There were about 26 girls on the floor at one time, with less than 8 guys. Quality was much lower than in the previous several years. Some 6s, more 7s, and one or two 8s. Probably had my worst session EVER at a terma. I think her name was Vanessa or Victoria, but do not quote me on that. She would not do what I wanted in the cabina, and she was just stalling for time. Throughout the years, I think I can figure out when a girl is stalling, or when she is actually giving foreplay.
Anyways, I came out of the session so mad (for the first time in my life), that I went directly to the body builder girl. At that point I had to sacrifice some looks, and go for the best session. Her BBBJCIM was definitely one of the BEST I have had in Rio.
I will not be going back to Monte Carlo this trip, but I still reserve a time slot for Monte in my future trips. Maybe it is because Monte was my first terma in Rio, that I keep going back.
Viper10
SlickdySlick
05-12-07, 14:28
Jesuscola and Exec Talent good for you guys that you know these chick so well but you made this point 3 weeks ago already and it doesn't add anything to this board. If some guy takes a girl to the cabine and she tells him he was the best she ever had and 10 minuites later tells you he sucked. How do you know person she is telling the truth to? You don't so just let it go man.
As Oscar Wilde said . . .
I never thought I'd quote him on this board, but it was Sir Winston Churchill who said that - NOT Oscar Wilde (who was flaming gay by the way and never whoulf have propositioned a woman in that way).
ROFL! Yes, you are right I am sure. I guess they both had a witty streak.
Mr Enternational
05-12-07, 19:49
I bring the money, the GDPs bring the pussy and as much fake emotions as they think I want. It's all good. So relax a bit!
EuroWhenever I am in front of Help and a GDP comes up and asks my name I tell them that names are not important. We are both here for only one thing. I am here for pussy and you are here for money. Not one has yet to disagree.
(that was 2 days ago, I am late :))
Raining. All day!
Decided to stay in and give an agency a call. Tried RioFantasy (http://www.riofantasy.net) and the lady answering the phone spoke English. The only girl on their website that had her full face showing (Bruna Capitini?)looked very good. I inquired about a ‘completa’ and she said “yes, many girls. You pick one”. This should have been a warning since the operator was naming the girls as ‘completa’ even though their profile didn’t state that. Wanted another R$ for completa for all the girls, on top of the 300 for 2 hours. I said no. She wouldn’t budge so negotiated for extra 50.
The Luxor Regente has a policy of not allowing any guests before 11 PM, so I had to wait over 1.5 hours AND there is R$ 80 fee for a guest, regardless of a double booking!
The girl that showed up was the girl in the pipctures but the pictures were at least 20-25 lbs ago. She had a gut that wasn’t extraordinarily big but more than what I wanted based on the pictures.
She did the service as expected except…. You guessed it anal. Oh we tried, fingering (which she did not like), lube, etc etc, but clearly she is not a true completa. She was as tight as any first timer or occasional completa I have been. She said it was too big!
Ok, OK dont say it, (but this is not the first tiem I have been told that:))....so anyway, It was beginning to hurt her so we decided to move on.
By this time little jimmie was losing strength. Happens every time there are restrictions!! Anyway finished with a BBBJ.
On the way out she saw my camera and wanted me to take her pictures. I will post those as soon as I can.
No. I didn’t complain to the agency. Agencies are a hit or miss no matter what country you are in.
Checked out of my hotel and moved into an apartment on Ave. Copacabana. It is 1.5 short blocks from Help, Meia Pataca and Rio Othon Hotel.
Met up with one of the Senior Rio Mongers Off Road at Meia Pataca who gave me some pointers. A loud mouthed younger gringo that Off Road was familiar with joined us for a few minutes. He was sooo pleased with his exploits of the day before such as fucking a GDP for next to nothing that he wouldn’t shut up. Off Road quickly checked out and I followed soon after. It is just amazing that these boys think that they have really ‘achieved’ something. I didn’t have the heart to tell him, ‘son, been there, done that’.
Got an SMS from Christopherd but couldn’t reply (fucked up phone/SIM). Since Off Road had his previous commitments, I decided to go to Luomo. Getting there was easy thanks to Bubba Boy’s Rio guide!
There were not as many girls as I expected at about 9 PM. May be around 15, on a Thursday night. Just before I entered, a group of 3-4 guys also entered, so that made the ratio even worse, may be 1.5-1 or less.
I think I was there at the same time as the Cristopherd and probably Viper10, but don’t know what they look so not sure. A really small place I thought!
I sat around for a while and fended of a few GDPs. I had my eyes on a girl dancing by herself by the mirrors. Finally she looked over and smiled. I waved her over. Some small talk (relay small, as my Portuguese is only a few sentences long!). She was really cute, braces, nice body (Sara? But cant remember), originally form Mato Grasso (?).
She said she was good, and agreed to anal after I inquired. I didn’t ask if she loves it! The session was good. BBBJ, positions, digits. When it was time for anal, she showed a little reluctance, but got the lube. Again, I have to say that she was an ‘anal mature’. Why? The way she positioned herself, the tightness of her a-hole, the fact that she didn’t like the fingers (most anal DGPs , in my experience, like to loosen up with a finger or two etc, before starting penetration. Not this one! I was trying to penetrate but I can tell you for sure that you cannot enter a tight a-hole with force and Not cause her pain! It just can’t happen!
So, we moved on! She had to get me back up with BBBJ and we fucked in all sorts of positions until I finished right as the phone rang.
Do I mind not getting anal with sex? NO. But I mind when they change their mind or say yes to lure me into the ‘anal’ trap.
(that was 2 days ago, I am late)
Raining. All day! Decided to stay in and give an agency a call. Tried RioFantasy (http://www.riofantasy.net) and the lady answering the phone spoke English. The only girl on their website that had her full face showing (Bruna Capitini? )looked very good. I inquired about a ‘completa’ and she said "yes, many girls. You pick one". This should have been a warning since the operator was naming the girls as ‘completa’ even though their profile didn’t state that. Wanted another are$ for completa for all the girls, on top of the 300 for 2 hours. I said no. She wouldn’t budge so negotiated for extra 50.
The Luxor Regente has a policy of not allowing any guests before 11 PM, so I had to wait over 1. 5 hours AND there is are$ 80 fee for a guest, regardless of a double booking!
The girl that showed up was the girl in the pipctures but the pictures were at least 20-25 lbs ago. She had a gut that wasn’t extraordinarily big but more than what I wanted based on the pictures.
She did the service as expected except. You guessed it anal. Oh we tried, fingering (which she did not like), lube, etc etc, but clearly she is not a true completa. She was as tight as any first timer or occasional completa I have been. She said it was too big!
Ok, OK don't say it, (but this is not the first tiem I have been told that). So anyway, It was beginning to hurt her so we decided to move on. By this time little jimmie was losing strength. Happens every time there are restrictions! Anyway finished with a BBBJ.
On the way out she saw my camera and wanted me to take her pictures. I will post those as soon as I can.
No. I didn’t complain to the agency. Agencies are a hit or miss no matter what country you are in. Wow! The Luxor Regente has changed! Now, I haven't stayed there in awhile but prices & rules have changed. The 1st time I was at the Luxor Regente in July 2004 and another time January 2005. It was are$ 50, 00 to bring up a guest (girl) and it didn't matter what time of day I brought a girl up to my room. After 11pm Wow, that is some BullShit! The price going up to are$80, 00 I'm not surprised at that though, it was almost 3 yrs. Ago. But, I have a problem with the times you can bring garotas to the room. Man that is why apartment RULE!
Ohp1972
Why would anyone pay 80r to bring a girl up. Thats 40.00.You can get a great apartment for 60 to 70.00 a night.
cheap eats -
It is Friday and the weekend has started. I find myself in town near 6pm and decide to check out a couple of fast food joints.
Firstly Carioca 59. At this time of day, predictably, it was heaving with bodies, many of them young Brasilieros just finished work. So a lot of girls are busy in the cubicles. I enquire after a couple of my favourites (the girls also change rooms sometimes so not easy to know where they will be.) F----- , a girl with funky muscle control in her vagina, has got herself knocked up. The other girl, L----, a beautiful ebony babe I first met at VM, isn´t to be seen (but asking in all the rooms and waiting for everyone to come out of cubicles would take forever). (ps - as someone mentioned - yes, top floor, the old Hollywood Massagens, is padlocked. The floor beneath, empty.)
I move on to Buenos Airies. 113 is much the same as always. If you want to stay to look they are expecting you to buy a beer. I skip to 85. Several of the floors have had a make-over since I last went. This is def the sprucest of the cheap eats. Top floor has someone doing a go-go dance. Lots of good looking garotas around (as well as the skanks). This is the preferred time to work - but it is also soooo busy. I´d rather go when it´s quieter and hunt a bit for the good ones than compete with photogenic young lads in a sardine scramble.
Looked in at the fleapit of Uruguiana on the way back to the station (the one behind the newsstand). Nothing that takes my fancy. Much as I like these 1R a minute joints, this is not the time to hunt in them as far as I am concerned. I get a nice meal and metro home.
Most people look forward to Friday and Saturday as the big nights, whereas I find them rather busy. My plan is to rest up so I will be nice and fresh for the late night / early morning scenes. Did enjoy a phone chat with Bizzie though. We didn´t manage to meet up, but it was good to get his perspective.
Late night / early hours menu -
My first stop is one of my favourite low-life haunts - Nogueira. This is a restaurant just off Prado Junior, in Min. Viveiros de Castro just before you get to Pr.Isabella. Not for beginners maybe, but recommended to anyone who has ´found their feet´as it were in Rio and can watch their back (and wallet) at the same time as relaxing and enjoying what is available. There is not usually any fights or overturned tables - only occasionally. It is open till after dawn, has live music (and you can try to dance if you are brave enough). But the real attraction is the selection of people there.
Nog attracts everyone. There´s girls who have finished at Help, Balcony or the Boites, girls who just freelance, girls who go there to work and girls who have finished working but can be persuaded. A lot of girls also go to chill out with their friends, have a few drinks, let their hair down, have a meal, sing along with the vocalists and so on. There are girls who are totally honest and girls that would take your wallet in the taxi. Girls that are almost marriage material and ones that are half crazy. Nog is for anyone and everyone who dares. There are seasoned gringos, guys that just happen to wander in, ones being piloted there by the boites girls who want to be wined and dined before they get laid. There are lots of Brasilians. There´s also non-programma couples that go there cos it is still open at 6am and is lively.
So the attraction for the mongerer is that some of the girls are more relaxed than when you meet them elsewhere. Their prices will generally be a bit lower than they usually start at (whatever that is) but most will come down to Mabs-like rates - or else tell you they are not really interested, they just want to get home after a few beers with their friends. So you can flirt and check them out.
To me, when I see a girl that looks a possibility - on looks - I like to hang around to see if she has a personality and sense of humour (ie one I can relate to). If she does, she goes up a few points and if she doesn´t she goes down a few of course and I move on. In Nog there´s time to do this, and they haven´t made any big commitment (such as they do in Help) in terms of what they are spending to be there, so they can do what they like too. I usually try to get a few laughs without appearing too keen for a bit and they often do the same.
Eventually I have prised a cute girl away from her friend. She has a bubbly smile and a nice gentle, sensitive touch, which I like. The price is right so we head back to mine and I must say she was superb value, even if she did head off a few hours later (which suited me fine).
Saturday, and I get a few jobs done (laundry took ages as the water supply failed) but find I am still too horny to sleep. I need a quick take-away (food-to-go). I nip down to Mabs, ignore the waiters and breeze thru to quickly clock the options (I hate paying for food and drink I don´t want - if I go there to eat I am not mongering). Nothing first time round. I circle the block and the second time see a nice blonde girl. I catch her eye and hang around the phone box till she eventually comes over. A bit older than I would usually go for but well presented. Quickly negotiate 100R. She seems happy to stay longer but I only wanted a quickie so smiles and goodbyes shortly after the action at my place. Sometimes it´s hard to judge whether a girl is willing to stay 30 minutes or the whole weekend! Now I can get some sleep before back to Nog.
I always tip Luis or one of the other waiters at Nog at the start of my evening. As it gets busy, it is at their sole discretion whether you are left in peace or expected to buy food and drink for occupying a table. Whether you can stand around or are ¨ín the way¨ at the tightly packed bar. Plus it is good to have a waiter treat you with repsect and attention when you have a girl in tow later! Get on the wrong side of Nog staff and you will find your change tends to get lost or forgoten easily, takes a long time, your order takes forever or is wrong, and so on. Def worth 3 or 4 Reals tip - sod the principles (and remember these guys don´t make much for working unsocial hours and watching everyone else grab pussy).
Soon I have narrowed down the possibilities. Some of the good lookers, for instance, only smile when someone is watching. The one I am interested in is quite quiet. Good looking if not the most obviously glamorous there. I am determined she will make the first move rather than have me go sit with her and her friends. It takes a while, which is ok, and she is as lovely as I expected. Except her price is too high. I say if she changes her mind one evening I will be here for a while. She says it is not possible.
I split and go round the block. Most of the streetwalkers near Nog (and some of them around the corner in the other late night joint) are downright scary. But there is one I always look out for called Adriana. She is not outrageously pretty, but quite attractive, blonde, 30-ish. She doesn´t drink or smoke and keeps herself to herself. I recommend her if you get to know her. I can´t see her though and her last phone number is out of order when I try. I go slowly past Nog again and am hailed by the girl I tried with earlier. She agrees to my price but says will I wait a little while - she is in the niddle of a slap up meal with her mates. I am fine with this and take in the morning air and a beer. We go back to mine and I am impressed. She stays till 5pm in the afternoon. It´s like if I knew how good she was I might have considered paying more in the first place (but if she had insisted she would not have been the same person). Oh well. Swap phone numbers and will probably meet up again.
Another couple of adventures and the weekend is almost over. The water supply is back to normal, the all night internet cafe is open again (it shuts on Saturday night), and Rio goes back to pretending it is a first world city. At least till the next time it rains . . .
Nice report! I will attempt to check out Nog. when I get to Rio in a few weeks. Thanks for the report!
Gotta agree, GREAT REPORT!! Hey, if you are saing near HELP, what would be the best way to go to Nog or Mag?? I mean, are you taking a taxi, or walking the streets?
Chris H
Nogueira is across the street from Barbarella, (hopefully one has an idea where that is, otherwise this info is useless.)
Use of taxi is recommended if one is staying near Help.
I'm surprised Senior Member Mangera has not been to Nogueira.
I arrive this Fri. :D
Gotta agree, GREAT REPORT!! Hey, if you are saing near HELP, what would be the best way to go to Nog or Mag?? I mean, are you taking a taxi, or walking the streets?
Chris H
Well it depends. I stay close enough to walk and I rarely take taxis unless (for instance) I pick up a chica from Help and she objects to getting a bus in high heels lol. Neither do I like to give the impression I can afford taxis if I can help it! Any bus going along NS will take you. You just jump off before it turns into Pr.Isabel. If you are going back then you need a bus along Barata Ribeiro but mind some of them turn off near the Metro (it may be daylight by then).
Let me know what you think if you go (It is not to everyone´s taste!)
Mangera, Chingon, hope to see you both for a beer there or wherever.
I agree with you that it is rather remarkable that I have not been there. I have heard about it before, but I have not partaken. I never really considered that to be my kind of scene. Also, I am not into the late night scene( I am not an old fart, its just part of my personality), even though every once in a while, I will party late into the morning, but thats usually in a South Beach after hours party.
In fact, now that I think about it, I have only been inside of help once, and only took a garota for the night once in front of helpy. I usually hit places like termas and agencies ( on rainy days ). I have been to VM once, which I intend on going a few more times when I get into Rio in a couple of weeks. Call me a sicko, but sometimes I need to go to a sleezy place to get my juices flowing again:)
Chingon, I have been very fortunate in establishing a good raport and relations with several garotas that I have met in termas, agencies, or at the beach( non-pro's, by Posto Novo). As a result, to a certain extent, I have somewhat established a "friends with benefits" type of scenario with a few of the garotas ( both pro and non-pro ). Yes, we all pay one way or another. But again, I rarely go to places like Help, MP, or in this case Nog. Just not my scene. But I have learned to be openminded about trying a place that has received a good review. So I will be there in a few weeks to check it out.
Well VM is probably the place I frequent more than anywhere else. In a way I´m pleased it´s not everyone else´s type of place! But last night was boring there. Post-weekend and almost dead. I think there were only two good-looking garotas there. One is a regular I enjoy having a laugh and sex with who was being very low key and only appeared (from her upstairs bit where she lives above the casa) after I had asked for her. She would easily pass muster in a terma (happy to show photos rather than post them). The other is a good friend of mine (programma but I only see her for friendship, dancing, hanging out, not sex). I took her a CD of her favourite band (thanks to whoever it was that suggested this on the forum) and it kinda brought tears to her eyes, which was nice.
As a footnote on Nog and how to get there, it all depends on your comfort zone. (Personally I think it´s best to acquire your local street smarts before you go). It´s good to practice using the buses for the first time in the day or evening before you use them after midnight maybe - you´ll just feel comfier I think. Have a low denomination ready - they won´t like big bills. I keep my loose change for buses. Most of them are 2R (it´s posted on the front). Air-con or long trip ones are slightly more. Usually you get on the front and get off the back. They travel fast, so you have to be sharp so as not to miss your stop (I´m sure all this has been posted before but I thought it might be handy for any newbies).
As Nog is my local I often go there whether or not I am looking for sex. Unlike Manguera I am very much a night owl! If I don´t see anything I fancy I´ll go up to the gym (which opens at 6.30). Someone (on here) said I shouldn´t pay more than 60R a month but I only got them down to 100R. Like gyms at home, if you are signing up for three months or more you can cut a deal, but they can´t be bothered with discounts for short term.
Another place I frequent (strictly non-programma) is Cervantes - the open-air part. Best food going! If you haven´t tried the fillet steak with cheese and pineapple you haven´t lived lol!
Maybe try Cancun tomorrow - someone said there was dancing and live music on Tuesday (I like this kinda stuff! pussy is everywhere but pussy plus this kinda fun makes for a better night as far as I am concerned!)
btw noticed the 24hr internet cafe on Prad.Jnr/NS Copa is offering cellphone hire. No idea what the deal is but thought I´d mention it for anyone wanting a quick option.
In case I give the impression of being a total low life, I would add I regularly enjoy the opera, ballet and good restaurants as well. Maybe I´m two people living in one lol. But aren´t we all?
I am attaching a coupon you can print out and recieve a $R60.00 discount this week.
Christopherd,
Great reporting. I agree, Nogueira is great little spot at 4:00 in the morning, but not for everyone. You are right about VM. It is not everyone cup of tea. When I was in Rio last month DOC and I started off going to Aeroporto and did not like the price $R280.00 for 60 minutes, so we thought we would try Rio Antigo. The worst terma I have ever been to. I'm not kidding you. The best looking girl was a 6. We left after 5 minutes. Cost us $R60.00 each. Just say NO!
I'm a little tired and getting sick from something I eat or drank. DOC says how about VM? I say "What the hell, lets go." Get there and I honestly had forgot what it was like, but I remembered as soon as I step out of the cab. The smell hit me immediately. Stray dogs run down the street. Almost slip and fell on who knows what. The sidewalks have a slope to them. DOC is in 7th heaven. No offense Sperto, but I doubt I will be back. Semi naked to naked girls everywhere of all shapes, sizes and colors. It is indeed a sight to behold. Like I stated before, like a scene out of StarWars. DOC and I make a round through the mall\maze of small clubs. Did I say he is in 7th heaven? Happier than a sissy with a bag full of dicks! Well, VM is pretty much the equivalent. He sets his sights on a big bunda GDP. His choice is made. Hands her $R50.00 and waits for change. All of a sudden a small GDP comes in the bar all upset, she starts hitting the bar counter and kicking things. Then she months off to another GDP who calls her bluff. Now it's ON! These two girls who could not be more than a buck 05 a peice proceed to fight for not a 1 minute, not 5 minutes, not 15 minutes, but like 30 minutes! They rest and come back and fight some more! Kicking, throwing glasses, beer bottles, pulling hair. Guys and girls are coming from everywhere to see the show. I tell DOC let's go! He tells me " Ah, Ron you have seen worse in L.A." I remind him we are not in L.A., we are in Rio on vacation. I go out front and wait in a bar on the street. I don't know how it ended. I just sat my ass out front. Finally he comes out mission accomplished but the girl did'nt give him his change because of those damn girls are still fighting. Not to worry, he retrieved it later that night when he went back.
Wild times in Rio!
RR
If some guy takes a girl to the cabine and she tells him he was the best she ever had and 10 minuites later tells you he sucked. How do you know person she is telling the truth to?Easy. If he was the best she's every had, she should be more than willing to fuck him again--for free. Simple, objective test for you.
the end is near!!!
the slide continues. todays exchange rate:
1.99332
http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi
Just F'n great, I arrive friday. :/
At the Citibank today I took out 1000R and was charged $497 and some cents. Therefore I got an exchange above 2R.
the end is near!!!
the slide continues. todays exchange rate:
1.99332
http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi
Just F'n great, I arrive friday. :/
Hi All,
Just got back from rio. Every time I am there, it always seems too short. When I am there, I never feel much urge to go back. Anyway, it was again mostly very nice as always. Particularly because I now speak a little more portuguese than the last times I was there. In the weeks before I went, I practised my portuguese as much as I could. Now at least I can understand more of what the girls are saying and maintain a minimal conversation. Yet I find the pronunciation in Rio not always easy to follow. Basically when people speak the Rio accent and speak fast I have a real hard time to understand what they are saying. Yet, when talking to the girls, and when they speak (slowly) it makes all the difference.
This report is not complete, as I was also outside of Rio and met girls there. However the theme here really is "the level of GFE and service". What good is it to spent 40 minutes with a super good looking miss brasil at a termas, who may give just a quick CBJ or BBBJ and be off to the next guy? For me that is nice once in a while, but it is not really what I care much for. So for instance the discussion about Escort girls that are only 'average looking' doesn't mean much to me. Of course it is all a matter of personal preferences, but I much prefer "GFE and service" over "great looks".
Day1: (May 2nd)
Escort, Sabrina: right after I arrived at the rented apartment in Ipanema in the morning, I called the "new scort" escort service. (http://www.newscort.com) This is small but nice escort service. Sabrina was available and she got to my apartment in 40 minutes. (On the phone they said 20 minutes, but it always always turns out to be more) She turned out to be a nice sweet 20 year old morena and her 'service' was very good. At the beginning I massaged her and she got real relaxed. Then we talked a bit, took a shower and enjoyed 2 hours of 'fun'. She even stayed longer than the 2 hours I paid for. (100 R$ plus 20 R$ for the taxi). Looks: 7, service 8. I think she enjoyed things, as she got very wet. I take that as a compliment and enjoy it when it happens. (and NO it wasn't any form of lube from a tube)
I took som epictures, but she did not want her face on the photos. I will upload some, when I can at the photo gallery. (question: do I need to be a paying member for that?)
Help, Tatiane: Later that night I went to Help and found Tatiane. She is an angel face dark skinned beauty, at that moment with a red color in her hair. She stayed all night from 02h00 until 08h30. Looks 8, service 7. As I thought she was hot, I agreed to 250 R$ + R$20 taxi. I know that is too much. I was too horny to want to spend much time on getting the price down to R$150-200 which I think is more realistic. Took some nice pictures. She was more than happy to pose. Most of the girls I met were, by the way. Most of them do ask not to put their face on the internet.
Day 2:
Escort, Yasmin. In the morning I relaxed, slept and had a late breakfast & went to the beach. I called Karla escort in the afternoon. (http://www.karlamodels.net/principal.html) Always had a good experience with them. The girls from Karla also bring a book with all the full photos including fasces. Yasmim was sweet and nice. (Yes, you got it, I like prefer sweeties over experienced hard core GDPs) Her looks are average (7) but her service and GFE are 8. I don't care much for looks anyway, as long as a garota is not fat or plain ugly. Yasmin stayed 2 hours and took a full hour time to massage (BBBJ) me at those special places. 100 R$ + 50 R$ for the taxi. I thought that 50 R$ for the taxi was really too high and told the agency so. Could not talk it down however.
Help: Milena. At night went to Help again. This time things were a little less. I thought the 'quality' of girls at Help was less than last time I was in Rio (January) Milena, a 20-24 year (?) old Morena agreed to R$200 for a all nighter (TLN) plus R$20 for her taxi. The price was OK, but her service was not great. She basically wanted to get things over quickly and go home. She stayed some 4 hours. It was OK, but not great. Looks 7, service 6.
Day 3:
Escort: In the morning I called another escort service (but I will keep this one secret) and was very happy to meet a gorgeous brazilian with asian looks. Not very tall, but with close to perfect looks and a total GFE. Looks 9, service 8. A rare combination of qualities. It was so great that one week later we spent all weekend together. By then I was paying her directly and not through the agency. ( R$ 200 per day) We really clicked and I loved being with her. I treated her well and gave her several massages in between the action (back, legs, feet) which she said she enjoyed completely. She gave me all her telephone numbers in Rio (5!) and I am going to see her agin when I return later this summer. Darn, I feel lucky to have met her. A total gem. Sorry guys, but I am not giving you the details. Just for the sake of this report I will call her "Asia" I am just telling you that there are gems out there. If you meet one you will know. You will then probably feel reluctant, as I do now, to let others know who the girl is. I took some pictures and she loved to pose. I will see if I can pose one on the photo gallery, but with her face covered of course. O man. Saudade.
Escort, Mirella: In the evening I called Company girls. I was so love sick of my time spent with 'Asia' that I needed to do something. Mirella showed up after some 45 minutes of waiting. She is a blond haired garota with nice looks (7) and nice service (7). But she felt a little nervous or hyped. Perhaps she was on something. (which I do not like). My experiences with Company Girl (escort) are miaxed. Some good, some only very average,
Day 4:
Help: Spent time on the bach, relaxed, slept in. Etc. etc. Walked around in Zona Sul and later that night went to Help. Met some americans at Meia pattaca and later at the cafe in front of Help and we chatted about the Garotas. Always nice to meet some fellow mongers. This night however was going to turn out all wrong. I first met a girl at Meia Pattaca. However she was 37 year old and I should have followed my instinct which said NO. However she was sweet and nice to me and we talked for quite a while. I thought, well she is not my type, but why not give it a try. She said R$150 for an TLN + 10 R$ taxi. When we got at the apartment I started noticing that she was a little weird, or may be call it confused or unhappy. I do not know. She started to talk about her life and I noticed she was kind of depressed. Not a great start for a 'fun' night. And so it came to pass that after 1 hour of rather miserable 'fun' I decided to give her R$100 and kindly asked her to leave. I felt pity for her. In fact we left to Help together in a taxi and I dropped her of there. That was a mistake. On my side. I should have noticed there was something 'off' with her. Please guys, use you radar and take time before you decide. Any sign you don't like, quit and walk away. Don't let your hormones do the thinking for you.
Help: when I returned at Help I decided I needed to have a nice 'fun' night and wanted a real sexy good looking dark skinned brazilian wild cat. Just plain raw 'fun'. I found a good looking 'hottie' and went for the looks. (8) But too quickly. I should have talked more. Again things went badly. She agreed to R200 for 3 hours plus R$ 10 for the taxi. I made the price and time very clear. But did not write it down. I should have. When we got at the apartment the first half hour was sort of OK but it felt rushed. Then after about 1 hour she wanted to put the camisinha on and finish things. I said, why, we have two more hours? Then she started to say, no, the hour is now almost over and we do not have much time left... Shit, this really pissed me off. I jumped of the bed, put on my pants and pointed to the door while shouting at her that this was not at all what we agreed. She probably thought I was some dumb ass tourist that would give in and she could get away with it. (yes, I admit I look like a total gringo) She was surprised I reacted so forcefully and shouted at her in Portuguese. She started to ask if I could lower my voice and became rather nervous. She realized she had made a mistake and I knew it. I threw her out with R$100. Later I regretted it and thought I should have given her nothing. But then again, you may not want her favela friends show up at your doorstep. Yet, with these Help girls you have to be careful. And forceful sometimes too. If they think you are a sucker, they will rip you off and in the process steal whatever you have in your room. It was a total bummer. My worst experience so far with Help girls.
Day 5:
Escort: After more time on the beach, breakfast, etc. In the afternoon I called Company girl. (http://www.companygirl.com.br) Only Bruna was available. I was not online and could not see any pictures. If I would I would have said no. On the internet you can already see she is quite fat. And that is not my thing. When she arrived at my apartment she was even bigger than the pictures on the internet (that I saw later) suggest. Her looks were 6, her service was OK (7) but she was totally NOT my type of Garota. I should have given her the money for the taxi and asked her to leave. I did not. However her service made up for it. Nice BBBJ and she was kind. R$130 + R$20 for the taxi.
Beyong day 6:
I spent a whole weekend with Asia. (see day 3) She was so great I soon forgot about everything else. When I left Rio I was a happy man. I am going to see her again. That is for sure. I just hope she will not have changed her telephone numbers by then. Anyway she gave me every possible number she had. We had a great time.
Conclusion:
This time I did not go to Termas. I personally think they are too expensive in general. It is nice to do now and then, but to pay R$300 or more for a quick 40 minutes in a cabin is not so much my thing. Girls in termas in Termas are generally better looking and you can choose them (because you see them) when you are there. However service is sometimes rushed and a little too professional for me.
Help: I was not impressed with the quality at help this time. (may 2nd to May 12th) Last time, in January was much better.
Escorts: For about R$100-130 plus taxi (R$20-40) you get a girl in your hotel or apartment. Looks may be sometimes average but service and even GFE I usually find good to very good. Very good value for money I say. Even regarding looks, there are some nice looking girls with for instance scort show and karla models. Just from the plain looks I liked: (scale 1-10)
Karla Models: (telephone 9263-3685) Daine Lorenz (8), Thaylane (8) Pamela (8) Fernanda (9)
Scort show: (telephone 2553-6115) Isabelly (9) Loranna (7) Monique (8)
Looks conclusion:
During this and my last 3 visits to Rio I noticed that there seems to be an inverse relationship of looks vs service. The better the looks, the worse or average the service. The more average the looks, the better the service. I think that the really hot or pretty girls feel that you are paying them for the 'looks' and therefore they do not need to put out much in terms of service or GFE. There are exceptions, but this so far has been my experience. The girls with the so called 'average looks' have often surprised me with wild, wet, GFE fun and great BBBJs. Anyway in Rio you can find both, so you can choose.
My Tips: if at Help, the restaurants/cafes or Termas, take your time to decide. Learn some portuguese and talk with the girls and check them out. Don't decide too quickly. Negotiate and make clear (write it down!) what the price and time will be. If you do not know where to start: an escort is a pretty safe way to start. For a total budget of some R$130 you can already have a great two hours in your hotel/apartment. If possible ask if they have a book with pictures of all the girls. Sometimes it is also a good idea to ask one of the Escort/Termas girls which other girls they would recommend to you.
OK guys (and girls?) have a great time at Rio. Stay safe and wear your rubbers.
Tchau,
Dutch44
Member #4156
05-16-07, 01:28
Good reporting Dutch44.
Informative, yet introspective.
slept late after a no-go early at nog. look at my phone and there´s a message from mr enternational - do i want to meet in centro? i was planning a centro trip so this was a good nudge. we meet up at b.a.85 and hang around there for a couple of swift drinks. some nice enough stuff but with the lights low you have to get close to find out who´s do-able. i suggest carioca 59 and we truck out, peering into a couple of floors of the down ´n´dirty uruguiana 24 on the way.
carioca 59 is a bit less frantic than ba even at this time of day (about 5.30pm). a nice change from friday when you could hardly move for young brasileros with wages in their pockets. mr ent spots a cutie around floor three and disappears into a cubicle. i ask a garota how long he´s booked in for. she says 20 minutes, so i reckon i can do 15 with a blonde downstairs and be back before he´s through. must have got the timings wrong tho as a text confirms i´ve missed him (he had to get back and pick his bags up for the airport). nice meeting him. my kinda guy - he knows what´s what (maybe better than i do) and you can tell he can blend in seamlessly anywhere from the roughest to the most exclusive venues.
i´m just crossing the street to see if my favourite patisserie is open when i spot something.
now if i could get out of it, i wouldn´t tell you, i´d keep it secret - it was that good. but there´s a big red sign over the door, so you can hardly miss it (if you frequent car.59). it´s called casarao*. has it been mentioned on here already? maybe. but it´s new to me. feeling the duty to explore haha i go up the stairs to a reception that is remarkable clean by the standards of the $real-a-minute places mentioned above. casarao´s rates start at 30r for 20 minutes. i think i´d seen a sign for a 2r entrada but they waived it. inside standard enough - large room with a bar in one corner and girls seated around or wandering about. about 20 girls, more reasonable looking than not, but you wish they would have better lighting in these places! music blaring. i choose a girl, s-----. we go upstairs and she leads me to a room with a double bed, picking up a clean sheet on the way. it was very relaxed and laid back. i liked the way the music from downstairs was fairly distant. it felt private, secluded. the window opened onto the main road below. she gave me a generous, enthusiastic and memorable 20 minutes. i was in seventh heaven and forgot to ask for a photo till we came out of the room to the landing. to my surprise she agreed, even though it was not very private. i will be back!
someone had said cancun had live music on tuesdays so i thought i´d go along. from the smelly, litter-strewn streets of uruguiana, i cross rio branco and head to the nicer part of town and rua do carmo. it is quite easy to find, walking along sete de setembro from r.uruguiana, across rio branco, and it´s the next street after quitando. it runs north to ouvidor, rosario, ba, so you could also come that way from uru metro station, or this way from rua carioca or carioca metro. if you were going from copa, a bus would drop you nearby in praca quinze.
as you turn into r.carmo, there are some ok open air restaurants. then you see the cancun sign (blue with palm trees) lit up overhead. you can go to the bar (whiskeria) at street level fully dressed, but i wanted a shower and some food and opted to go straight to the terma upstairs. it is all quite immaculate. clean marble steps, newish-looking changing rooms, sauna and steam room. the suite i eventually went to had tasteful mirrors, and dimmer controls for the lights and music. if you had had a few drinks it could pass as an unfinished extension of a good hotel.
into the bar. standard brasilian hiphop (or hip-e-helpee-hoppee as i call it) alternating with average western charts and oldies. i prop the bar up and order some of those little fish-ball things. there´s about maybe 30 girls, nearly all glamorous looking. i am thinking already i am not cut out for these tier one termas as to me they all have the same expression, do exactly the same dance, have more or less the same body language and mostly do what seems to me a remarkaby similar routine. i am reminded of an old sci-fi movie where a guy invents and then falls in love with a perfect android. but yes, they are definitely all physically beautiful. each one looks do-able - i just wish there was a five minute option to line them up and try them all! that is about the same as i would want to give a porn star, personally.
at one point there is some live entertainment - a girl does a tolerable belly dance combined with a striptease - to enthusiastic applause (mostly by the other girls).
there is one girl who stands out as a little different, she is very petite, has glasses and a bubbly effervescent smile that says she has made the decision she is going to enjoy her life, even if working in a terma is not the ideal career.
she also manages to flirt. this is something foreign to quite a lot of programma girls who simply transfix their prey with a glassy stare and false smile before the usual, what´s-your-name-where-you-from stuff. it´s the quickest way i divide girls - in help, nog, termas, anywhere. i want to play a game to get there, if they don´t, there are many other gringos who simply like it upfront. each to their own.
unfortunately this girl (angelique) is already with a customer who sensibly shows no sign of letting her go. as they disappear upstairs i seriously consider whether to stay. there´s also a girl with a kind of italian look, which is nice. like many of the girls there, she is also airbrushed perfect but . . . well, you can guess, i booked for an hour but only stayed in the room 35mins. i thought of staying longer to be polite but heck, there are so many girls who can be scintillating company for days on end, even without a common language - why should i stay if i´m bored?
now my overall opinion of cancun is that it is a brilliant terma, just not my cup of tea. if you haven´t had sex with a physically immaculate looking young girl for a while, this is as good a place to go as any. i think the last report (dutch44) expressd it rather more tactfully, so don´t let me put you off. heading back to copa. write a report, rest up, then out in search of adventure . . .
except on the way out of cancun i run into angelique.
i lift her in the air and we snog enthusiastically. her kisses taste sweet. (need i mention that this contrasts with - how shall i say it - the tongue-down-your-throat-even-if-my-mouth-tastes-like-a-fishmonger routine that some of the girls do?) she is gorgeous. my resolve wavers. maybe i will be back to this tier one terma after all . . .
*the address is r.carioca 40. please be nice there!!
The address is R.Carioca 40. Please be nice there!!
I like that place too.
They have an interesting price-setting at this place:
R$ 30/20 min, R$ 40/30 min, R$ 90/60 min.
An explanation could be that the 1 hour session gives you a suite?
I'm about to head out for my first trip late June.
If anyone has any info on recent hot spots please chime in.
I like that place too.
They have an interesting price-setting at this place:
R$ 30/20 min, R$ 40/30 min, R$ 90/60 min.
An explanation could be that the 1 hour session gives you a suite?
I dunno. I went back this morning to see the same girl again. Very quiet. I noticed when she took me to the room that not all the rooms had double beds.
btw have been glancing at your ratings lists - pretty good demarcation. As you´ve pointed out, personal experiences will differ widely, but it´s kinda nice to know whether you get clean sheets / showers / polite pampering as the norm or not. Going from B.A.85 (Cs) to to Casarao (Bs) to RioBranco156/1706 (A´s) there´s a fairly objective different standard appreciable, independent of personal experience or taste. I don´t suppose you used to work giving star ratings to hotels? <g>.
out early for a change - needed to buy a few bits and pieces (like plugs) from centro so had a quick monger.
got off the metro at cinelandia as someone gave me a flyer for treze de maio 47 (apto 708) the other day i think it was and i wanted to see one in that part of town. the downside with these apartments is that it can take ages to queue for the lift, get to the floor, find the door and then there´s only three or four girls and none to one´s taste. i got to 708 at the same time as another guy. it was obvious there was only one passable girl and i just gave him first option and he took her so i left.
went back to casarao to see s----- again. fabulous. so nice when two bodies fit like a jigsaw puzzle rather than a rubik cube. and a treat to see the sunlight on her fresh young face, clear skin, no make-up. only thing is there are several girls there i wouldn´t mind seeing so will have to decide when and whether to ease off with this one. don´t mistake my enthusiasm for imagining this is a ´nice´place. i think the sheets are clean. i was lucky and got a double bed that was comfy. the girls seem nice rather than polished. it is almost like the cheap joints with a make-over, but without the expensive niceties of the posh joints.
i pop into cafe do bom, few yards along, for a cup of tea and some delicious damascus cake. this place is so cool and refined - a million miles from the knock-shops on its doorstep! it has a nice washroom at the back in case you need to freshen up and internet access if you can´t wait to post your thoughts on this area and how i am a sleaze ball for grubbying around in such a locale. cafe do bom is a patisserie come bar come restaurant come cachaca bar come antiquarian bookstore and the winding staircase inside belies the fact that it is in one of the oldest parts of centro. it also sells rugs and mystic wotnots like i ching coins.
up uruguiana to make a few purchases then wander along b.a. pop in to 85 (the one with the tight spiral staircase) and second floor bump into renata, who i know from a while back. this girl is crazy - in a nice way - and full of a wicked sense of humour. one time she timed my 15 minute session and managed to squeeze an orgasm for herself (i don´t think it was feigned) then abruptly pointed to the clock and laughed her head off that i didn´t have time to come. on another occasion she whisked me into the cubicle and realised she needed to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134). not wanting to chance the bustle outside she grinned, stooped over the waste bin, and peed into it, all the time eye-balling me to try to make me laugh. i hadn´t quite recovered enough for anyone as energetic as renata but it´s nice she recognises me. i tell her i´m tired and skip the rest of the floors. i´ll suprise her with a photo she posed for that i still have of her next time i see her.
a refreshing guaravit later and i´m not quite ready for the bus home. you´ve probably noticed on thelists of termas (from bubba and sperto and so on) that there´s quite a collection of mini-termas in rio branco, the main street. rio branco is so long that you can easily get sore feet, so it might help to be aware that no.156, where a lot of the apartment termas are located, is the big shopping mall by carioca station (which is the metro you will alight at to go to the places mentioned so far unless you want to include cinelandia and walk from there). to get to the apartments you need the lifts, not the escalators (which just go up to a couple of floors to computer shops and restaurants). check which number floor you lift goes to (posted outside) lots of lifts in rio´s high rise blocks cover specific floors only to save time.
i opted for apto 1706 (ie on the 17th floor). as you go in it is like a well kept house. comparisons with sydney spring to mind (they do this sort of thing rather better there, but a lot more expensive - if you want gfe, you go to a parlour that is advertised as at home - which means regular house, several girls, all of whom french kiss and treat you like a boyfriend for the allotted time. and sydney girls don´t feel compelled to do it in the bloody dark or low light all the time!)
a nice touch i liked was that, i was shown into a beautifully furnished (if small) room, and each of the well-dressed girls came through in turn and introduced themselves. then the last one came back and asked me to choose. i opted for jasmin, a tall girl with long black hair. she was the most beautiful and was wearing a gorgeous purple gown.
i was conducted to a room where the action was obviously going to take place and at this point felt a small disappointment - this is a luxuriously appointed house and yet i was expected to do the deed on a narrow massage bed (at waist height). a nice new massage bed, but covered with a plastic sheet (probably to keep it that way lol). it was a bit like last night at cancun, everything perfectly appointed, then i find the air-con in the cabin makes such a racket (a loud whistling sound) that can only be controlled by freezing half to death. in the tier 3 (c´s on sperto´s scale) my expectations are low and i may be pleasantly surprised, but with a nice restaurant i am maybe more critical. my problem!
i opted for 40 minutes (85r). it was ok - the best part was gazing down at jasmin´s gorgeous face. i didn´t find her that convincing personality or effort-wise, but she was beautiful to look at.
incidentally, the most beautiful (physically) girl i have ever had over the years in rj is from vm. better, i think, than any of the termas. i won´t mention her name (her head is swollen enough already) but i remember when i first met her a few years back doing a photo portfolio (as far as is possible in a vm cubicle!) i foolishly thought she would see her potential. i think someone else has posted why many of these girls stay at vm. it is their comfort zone. i once took her back to copa and could see she felt intimidated just asking for something at a pharmacia. another is they would have to learn the sophistication that goes with top termas (at least the one or two rare ones like this girl who could qualify physically). but her real problem is her attitude. she tries to get her way by going in a strop or, if that fails, bursting into tears and stamping her foot. but at least (for me) i enjoy that it is real emotion - or more real than someone paid 200r to be nice. we have a battle of wits for the emotional upper hand. sometimes it can be tiring. but she does her job with aplomb. and she gets to choose who to f*** and when (her bored f-off expression scares off customers if she has to show her face when she doesn´t want to, and she has very bluntly told several customers no!) spends an hour on her make-up and looks picture perfect. the other night she wanted to charge me 3r for a photo so we had a stand-off over that. silly. but fun.
btw bus home to copa mid afternoon is surprisingly quick. next to carioca station you have the choice of either with copa buses running along rio branco. the express one wasn´t much more than ten mins.
I am seriously beginning to panic about this drop in the dollar. It fell to 1.94 Reals today. I had a hunch it would continue to decline, but hell, not at this pace.
If I were only spending a week in Brasil, it would not make a big difference in my attitude about spending. But when one will be in Brasil for a month, things can add up, and it becomes a concern and makes more of an impact on decision making. That is the last thing I want to be doing on my vacation, having to be concerned about budgeting. Hopefully things will get better in the next few days.
Chingon, when you get there on friday, get as much mula as possible, cause it only looks as though its going to get worse. Good Luck!
Out early for a change - needed to buy a few bits and pieces (like plugs) from Centro so had a quick monger.
You're posting some excellent trip reports, Christopherd. I'm loving the fact that more and more people and reporting on the cheaper places in Centro. I have a feeling that as the dollar gets weaker and weaker, we're going to read more reports about Centro and beyond.
Just wanted to add another place to the "cheapies" list. I've never read about it on here before, and it holds a special place in my monger heart, since it was the first low-end place I ever visited in Rio; Termas 176 in Largo do Machado, just a few blocks from the metro station, in a residential area. Has anyone here ever checked it out? I'm including the handbill with this post, so you can get the exact address if anyone wants to look into it. When I went last in 2005, there were a few cuties there just starting out, definitely worth the R20 price.
i opted for apto 1706 (ie on the 17th floor)... i opted for 40 minutes (85r). it was ok - the best part was gazing down at jasmin´s gorgeous face.
the cabins i've vistited in apto 1706, on rio branco 156, had massage-beds and bed-sofas. the bed-sofas are ok, but hurt the knees when taking her doggy-style. r$ 85/60 min, they must have raised the price since april. it used to be r$ 65/40 min, r$ 85/60 min and r$ 95/dupla 40 min. to my knowledge only apto 3330 charged r$85/40 min.
next time check out apto 3320. that's a good one. take the right cabin facing the street. the cabin facing the showers is a bit noisy and there are like peep-holes facing the waiting-room.
Just wanted to add another place to the "cheapies" list. I've never read about it on here before, and it holds a special place in my monger heart, since it was the first low-end place I ever visited in Rio; Termas 176 in Largo do Machado, just a few blocks from the metro station
Hey nice one! I hope it´s still there - I quite like that area - some great restaurants and non-monger evening stuff, so nice to have ´facilities´ handy!
Mr Enternational
05-18-07, 03:22
apto 1825 is a good one as well. sperto, if you just stand up and bend her over on the edge you won't have to worry about your knees! the r$ 85 should cover any damage done to hers in such a short time.
the cabins i've vistited in apto 1706, on rio branco 156, had massage-beds and bed-sofas. the bed-sofas are ok, but hurt the knees when taking her doggy-style. r$ 85/60 min, they must have raised the price since april. it used to be r$ 65/40 min, r$ 85/60 min and r$ 95/dupla 40 min. to my knowledge only apto 3330 charged r$85/40 min.
next time check out apto 3320. that's a good one. take the right cabin facing the street. the cabin facing the showers is a bit noisy and there are like peep-holes facing the waiting-room.
I finally made after 2hr delay in MIA.
A quick check of a few cambios in the copa area: their rate is R1.90! The official rate is R1.959500 WTF!!
Looks to be a long week for me.
Mr Enternational
05-19-07, 04:13
A quick check of a few cambios in the copa area: their rate is R1.90! The official rate is R1.959500 WTF!!What I am tripping on is the hit that people who rent out their apartments have taken. Traditionally they have posted prices and asked for payment in US dollars. So back in the 4-to-1 days a $50 apartment would fetch them 200 reais to use in the local market. Now, almost five years later, the same apartment nets them less than 100 reais.
Use and ATM like CitiBank., they will give you a good rate.. some exchange places are great, others very bad..
Nogueira is across the street from Barbarella, (hopefully one has an idea where that is, otherwise this info is useless.)
Use of taxi is recommended if one is staying near Help.
I'm surprised Senior Member Mangera has not been to Nogueira.
I arrive this Fri. :DI always remember arriving in Rio from the UK at 7am one morning and passing Nogueira, it was in full swing. Quick shower and off I went. Not such a good place when you are stone cold sober, but great at the end of the night.
Trippleecks
05-19-07, 13:19
CitiBank will charge you 6 reais for the privilege of using their ATM machines. That's over and above what your bank will charge you for using the card outside the US + their normal ATM fee.. I personally stopped using CitiBank the day I found out that they were charging that fee.
CitiBank will charge you 6 reais for the privilege of using their ATM machines. That's over and above what your bank will charge you for using the card outside the US + their normal ATM fee.. I personally stopped using CitiBank the day I found out that they were charging that fee.
Getting hit with fees always sucks. I finally opened an account with HSBC. No fees when using their banks, and there are plenty of them in Brasil.
CitiBank will charge you 6 reais for the privilege of using their ATM machines. That's over and above what your bank will charge you for using the card outside the US + their normal ATM fee.. I personally stopped using CitiBank the day I found out that they were charging that fee.
I have a CitiBank account, so no fee..
Mr Enternational
05-20-07, 01:04
Getting hit with fees always sucks. I finally opened an account with HSBC. No fees when using their banks, and there are plenty of them in Brasil.I did the same over a year ago. Like you said there are no fees when using an HSBC ATM. Last week I withdrew 200 reais and my account reflected a withdrawl of US$100. 13. Really, I have never seen a fee when using a non-HSBC ATM either, besides that what the ATM owner would charge.
Guys, I'll be visiting the pussy and ass paradise on my week off next month. I am planning to take a short trip (2-3 days) out of Rio with a gdp just for change of scenery. Any tips / suggestions on getting a chica for such a visit - where to look, what to look for, how much to pay, how to negotiate, etc? I have hooked up with a Terma girl in the past on her day off, and was thinking of starting there.
Promise to report any unique findings as usual. Any mongers out in Rio June 1-9, let me know if you'd like to hook up for a drink.
It´s 7am. I´m feeling muggy and need some fresh air. Stumble out to buy condoms. Also pick up some of those lube sachets (Ollagel) that are easy to carry – handy if the girl has been working long and hard and doesn´t have her own.
The detrius is spilling out of Nogueira as dawn is breaking. I grab some fresh rolls, hot from the oven at the supermarket nearby. As I come out with them, the detrius has hardly moved. Just looking about confusedly as if it should still somehow be night. (As someone has mentioned already, it looks far less lovely if you haven´t been carousing there till the early hours!)
I get back to the apartment. My good intentions about going to the gym melt with the morning sun. I lounge on my balcony planning the day. Half a can of Red Bull instead of gym. I mentally go through what I need, what pockets to put it in, anticipated safety & security factor and so on.
Aterro bus into town. I get out at the underpass stop (most city-bound buses from Copa stop at one side of Praca 15 or the other – the eastern side is below ground but not as scary as it looks). My woody of anticipation is calmed for a few minutes as I wonder through the antiques market, picking up a small bargain. The guy knows his stuff on Egypt and I believe him that it came from Luxor - but still haggle a quarter off the price.
Wander through to BA85. Will the delightful Renata be there? But it´s Saturday – the place might not even be open. As I arrive, there´s been a flood on the ground floor and I step gingerly past the plumber through several inches of water. There´s reassuring music coming from upstairs but only the middle floor is open yet (It´s about 10.30am.) Three or four girls. I pick the better one, a tall dark-haired girl who already has a patina of sweat above her front lip. This down and dirty can be nice – like being at a wedding reception when the hot tart you´ve always fancied appears in the background and winks to say this is your lucky day. I pay for 15 minutes. I play around to get her going and she picks up on it, suddenly reaching down and frigging herself madly for a minute or two. The 15 mins will soon be up though. I get the sense that she is vaguely wondering whether to fake an orgasm as she won´t have time to get off, but maybe she senses I´m not bothered, just pleased she´s getting into it a bit. (For those perhaps interested knowing when a woman fakes, or relying on unreliable gut instinct, do maybe please read Masters & Johnson´s Human Sexual Response, memorising the essential bits. As I get older, I wonder if I am getting more fakes served up, but the current sample is hardly sufficient to be indicative. Still, I can hardly expect the same response as when I started coming here years ago and with more hair.)
It´s still early. Most of the girls haven´t arrived. We share a relaxed moment of eye contact then I go wash up. (I like the smell of a girl on me, but it can be a dead giveaway, so I fear, if I´m not ready to finish and then go on to another girl.)
I´m heading for R.Carioca at a relaxed pace. Bright sunshine (not like the rainstorm that will hit later). I have a look into BA113 (just for research, you know!) It´s up and running with music pumping. About 8 girls on. I slip out and do the same at Uru24. In spite of lots of music, only the 3rd floor (? – I lose count on that twisty staircase) is actually open. It´s 11am. About 3 or 4 girls. The fourth floor has a weird price list – 21R for 20mins, 31R for 30mins and so on. Do they need the small change??
I pop in to Dona Empada on the corner and sample one of their excellent chocolate mouse cakes. And a Guaravit Plus to fortify me for the task ahead <g>. Onto Carioca. But Casarao is shut. :(
I decide to give Caroca59 a try. And am I in luck! On one of the north side rooms (the ones facing the street – why do these always seem better here?) She looks almost too good to be true. And a guy standing in the door is hesitating!! I walk past him, stand in front of her confidently, and do my best at a non-geeky smile. Exchange of names, and I forro her into a cubicle to break the ice. - I do this quickly: forro might be a dance that comes as naturally to Brasilians as a slow smooch does to a westerner, but my forro barely makes the grade so I´m not going to push it. We decide on 20 minutes. M------- is very slim and fresh looking, with beautiful, delicate curves. Maybe a few months off 20yrs. Lithe and toned, and exquisitely coiffured curls cascading over her shoulders.
A little way into it and I go down on her and she seems genuinely responsive. I sense a point where she is wondering, “Are you going to do this long enough for me to come?” so, as a gentleman, I stay at it. She tastes pretty good. Pink winking out from darker lips. I enjoy feeling the hesitant tensing of her bum hole against the thumb of my hand supporting her buttocks. Eventually her muscles clench on the two fingers I have been able to insert, with the strength to crack nuts (of the edible variety, I add). She gives a small wimper, not loud enough to be heard outside the cubicle. I quickly don a Preserv Extra and get my share. She giggles as someone calls ´tempo´ and we ignore them.
She lets me take a photo with her hands over her face and we both laugh some more. As I came, some vestige of sense returned. But not quick enough. I am still in a daze as I bid her a warm godbye. Why did I not try to get her telephone number (hard in a terma maybe, but not always impossible)? Or at least book for more than a meagre 20 bl**dy minutes?? Christopherd, you dumbass! Does your brain flow downstairs when confronted with unsupassable beauty? Duh – I guess . . .
I head a few doors along into Bar Luis for some hot pork loin. The waiters look photogenic, neatly starched in this 120 yr old black and white restaurant. I get them to line up for a photo. Half an hour after my meal and I´m back home. I need to change for a business appointment. But then there is the gentle musky smell of M------- still lingering and I hate to wash it off just yet . . .
I´ve just bought a new copy of Ruas. But it seems a shame to throw my old one (2004) away. If anyone wants it, it´s yours for a couple of Choppe. Marked up with various places of ´interest´ lol.
(Ruas is the definitive indexed street map book. Covers whole of Rio and Niteroi, shows the numbers of long streets, lists all the bus routes both on the map and off, plus a host of other info you would usually find in a telephone directory.)
Hi Christopherd,
I just got back from Rio 1 week ago. Already want to go back. You know the feeling. Anyway, got a question...
She giggles as someone calls ´tempo´ and we ignore them.
She lets me take a photo with her hands over her face and we both laugh some more. As I came, some vestige of sense returned. But not quick enough. I am still in a daze as I bid her a warm godbye. Why did I not try to get her telephone number (hard in a terma maybe, but not always impossible)? Or at least book for more than a meagre 20 bl**dy minutes?? Christopherd, you dumbass! Does your brain flow downstairs when confronted with unsupassable beauty? Duh – I guess . . .
What is your experience with picking up girls from the type of "Caroca59" places, or escorts, termas etc. What I mean is personally I prefer to stay with a girl a few days, once I dig her. I did just this recent time with an escort girl. I paid her 200 R$ per day and took her out etc. It was great. Did you have any good luck with that?
I think some girls prefer this to spending time with 3-5 different guys every day.
cheers,
Dutch44
Mr Enternational
05-21-07, 03:28
Hi Christopherd,
What is your experience with picking up girls from the type of "Caroca59" places, or escorts, termas etc. What I mean is personally I prefer to stay with a girl a few days, once I dig her. I did just this recent time with an escort girl. I paid her 200 R$ per day and took her out etc. It was great. Did you have any good luck with that?
I think some girls prefer this to spending time with 3-5 different guys every day.
Cheers,
Dutch44Definitely Dutch. Like someone said in a post less than a week ago, it is like a vacation for them. So it could be your vacation with a superstar. And 200 is more than what they would make in a day with the 10 guys that come through. Christopherd, if you remember the girl I was talking to on the 3rd floor of BA85, she told me that she makes about 150 per day.
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05-22-07, 03:40
CitiBank will charge you 6 reais for the privilege of using their ATM machines. That's over and above what your bank will charge you for using the card outside the US + their normal ATM fee.. I personally stopped using CitiBank the day I found out that they were charging that fee.Don't know about Brasil, but everywhere else I've been in South America I don't get hit with fees with my PayPal debit card. Simply transfer cash from your bank account over the internet when you're running short -- need three to four days -- and you've got a fee-less debit card (MasterCard or Visa) from PayPal. Lot less hassle than opening up new accounts. Plus, it works at virtually every ATM. I've never been charged a fee with this card.
Hi Christopherd
What is your experience with picking up girls from the type of "Caroca59" places, or escorts, termas etc. What I mean is personally I prefer to stay with a girl a few days, once I dig her. I did just this recent time with an escort girl. I paid her 200 R$ per day and took her out etc. It was great. Did you have any good luck with that?
I think some girls prefer this to spending time with 3-5 different guys every day.
cheers,
Dutch44
Definitely Dutch. Like someone said in a post less than a week ago, it is like a vacation for them. So it could be your vacation with a superstar. And 200 is more than what they would make in a day with the 10 guys that come through. Christopherd, if you remember the girl I was talking to on the 3rd floor of BA85, she told me that she makes about 150 per day.
I suppose that could be a good idea . . . Maybe I´ll proposition Renata (same place) when I catch up with her.
I haven´t tried as hard as I might like to in these places. One girl did coyly once indicate she would leave her husband for the right man but that was a bit too much too soon. Most of the girls I´ve spent a long time with - or several days - I´ve got to know in a relaxed way first, whether at Nog or Sucos bars or even once at Help. For me it is a gamble otherwise as she might be fun for 15 minutes or so but go brain dead after that. But I have never paid 200R a day as an agreement. I think a lot of girls might be happy with that, not just Carioca59.
Usually when I have got to know a girl and get on really well I have been offered company for minimal expenses. This is not everyone´s approach, but to me less money demanded = greater interest in me. Which I dig. I also want to know I won´t get bored with her sexually and that she wants it as often as I do.
Some girls can afford to take a few days holiday from working, which is nice. Some wouldn´t dream of it. Or wouldn´t dream of it with me more likely (there´s plenty of fun carioca guys for the right kind of girls after all!)
My best experience was probably a gorgeous Paulistina who would (literally) jump and down when she knew I had a bit of spare time, yelping, ´Sex for me! Sex for me!´ That did my ego the world of good.
Maybe I should have married her . . .
OC Ass Man
05-22-07, 08:05
I normally tend to lurk, But in this case, I feel the need to come clean and note that I've screwed up! Call it a mea culpa and penance, if you like.
Went to Barbarella with a bunch of monger coworkers. Spent the evening having a good time enjoying the view and ended up at the end of the evening taking one of the view back to the hotel. I should have recognized the warning signs (pushy, pushy, pushy), and made the fatal error of *not* finishing negotiation before we left, much less got to my room (a mistake I've not made in Dubai, Manilla, Bangkok, and Singapore in eons). Sigh. Needless to say, it went from "for the night" to conditions to a quick one and get her out the door before I blew my cool, way too many are$ later.
What happened? I didn't follow the rules, and *didn't* remember the what I'd read in the forum.
So. My penalty? Out more cash than I should be, didn't pop the nut, and feeling stupid.
Maybe I need to go back to Rio Newbie school on LT. (not a fan of ST. I take too damned long.)
Aside from getting back on the horse again and trying to do it right, anyone (after the obligatory "you dumbsh*t") got constructive suggestions? I'll start with re-RTFMing, but if someone can point to the "top 5 rules" of Rio, it'll help.
I was going to edit the last post but a separate one is maybe neater. I got home and remembered (someone correct me if I am wrong) that at many termas the girls can get fired if they take unscheduled days off. Which kinda blows the idea of getting them on a day-rate basis surely (anyone have useful different experience?)
I think my other worry over long companionship is not wanting to look like I am hauling the equivalent of white trash hooker around. This is not a concern probably if you are just visiting once, but becomes more of an issue as you realise how naff it looks. Especially as you start to develop a low-level non-monger social circle.
One of the better experiences was my buddy who got a carry out from Mimosa. He negotiated a day-rate and the girl was really good! She dressed right down and caught a bus with us back to Copa. She was nearly as tall as either of us and talked in conspiratorial whispers to cover up our lack of a common fluent language (another give-away). In fact her GFE technique was so good my buddy was disappointed when she finished business more or less on the dot 2 days later. ROFL!
Most quality escorts I know regard GFE as a very particular skill. One I had been dating for a while said to me once, look, let me show you how I kiss someone on a GFE. The doe-eyed expression, the subtle lingering of the lips, the sense that I was big-superior-sex-god and she was humble-dependent-worshipper was done so deftly that it was quite unnerving. I think she said something like, ´I hope you prefer the real me!´afterwards. I kept telling my buddy his Mimosa girl was simply very professional but he was convincd she was fond of him until the crunch came. (I am not saying she didn´t like him - both of us in fact. Top salespeople always enjoy the company of good, polite and considerate clients. But it is also polite to recognise the limits.)
This not-looking-dumb-in-public is easy to overlook but can be quite revolting and I think we shy away from it. The one time in Rio when I was in love (at least I like to think so - critics laugh as much as you like lol), the way I think we came across as a ´couple´was on account of the constant and very visible exchange of affection. Of course, I didn´t care what anyone else thought, but even on the photos my non-monger friends have said what a lovely couple we look, in spite of quite an age difference.
I was going to edit the last post but a separate one is maybe neater. I got home and remembered (someone correct me if I am wrong) that at many termas the girls can get fired if they take unscheduled days off. Which kinda blows the idea of getting them on a day-rate basis surely (anyone have useful different experience?)The upscale termas, MC, Luomo, Solarium, charge the girl a fine for taking unscheduled time off. Somewhere between are$150-200. Unless they have a doctor's note. Taking a girl out of one of those for the day is a matter of paying her the amount of her barfine, then paying her what she might have made had she worked. It depends on if the girl is willing, and you have to negotiate the rate with her, of course.
4x4 does not fine the girls for not showing up, most days, so it's both easier and cheaper to take a girl out of there for the entire day.
The smaller termas, or "casas de massagem, "I am not familiar with the multa/demitir system and could not comment.
Don't know about Brasil, but everywhere else I've been in South America I don't get hit with fees with my PayPal debit card. Simply transfer cash from your bank account over the internet when you're running short -- need three to four days -- and you've got a fee-less debit card (MasterCard or Visa) from PayPal. Lot less hassle than opening up new accounts. Plus, it works at virtually every ATM. I've never been charged a fee with this card.I get charged $5 USD everytime I make a cash advance using my paypal credit card. When did you last try this?
I had asked them over the phone about their charges for cash advances overseas, lady on the phone said "nothing extra." I clarified "so I only pay interest" and the lady concurred. :( But they did charge me per transaction.
I use my Visa debit card from a local credit union at Bradesco and HSBC banks instead.
Mr Enternational
05-22-07, 21:25
Nothing else needs to be said. You have said it all. This was clearly a case of experience being the best teacher.
I normally tend to lurk, But in this case, I feel the need to come clean and note that I've screwed up! Call it a mea culpa and penance, if you like.
Went to Barbarella with a bunch of monger coworkers. Spent the evening having a good time enjoying the view and ended up at the end of the evening taking one of the view back to the hotel. I should have recognized the warning signs (pushy, pushy, pushy), and made the fatal error of *not* finishing negotiation before we left,
So. My penalty? Out more cash than I should be, didn't pop the nut, and feeling stupid.
Aside from getting back on the horse again and trying to do it right, anyone (after the obligatory "you dumbsh*t") got constructive suggestions?
The upscale termas, MC, Luomo, Solarium, charge the girl a fine for taking unscheduled time off. Somewhere between are$150-200. Unless they have a doctor's note. Taking a girl out of one of those for the day is a matter of paying her the amount of her barfine, then paying her what she might have made had she worked. It depends on if the girl is willing, and you have to negotiate the rate with her, of course.
4x4 does not fine the girls for not showing up, most days, so it's both easier and cheaper to take a girl out of there for the entire day.
Thanks for the info, Jesuscola. I´ll add it to my personalised Bubba guide that I use for quick reference. Must check the times and opening days of 4x4 as meaning to go there soon. Maybe even after the match at Maracana this week (unless the other mongers want to just slum it in Mimosa heh heh heh.)
Hi Christopherd,
I was going to edit the last post but a separate one is maybe neater. I got home and remembered (someone correct me if I am wrong) that at many termas the girls can get fired if they take unscheduled days off. Which kinda blows the idea of getting them on a day-rate basis surely (anyone have useful different experience?).
Well in fact I never took out a termas girl. Once tried it at Aeroporto. The girl gave me and my friend a telephone number, but next day when she should have gone with up on a 3 day trip she did not reply. And then is here 'fine' for the termas girls, which makes things more difficult as you say. Thanks for the hint on the 4x4 girls. I will try next time.
I think it may work better for escort girls. Particularly the smaller escort agencies where the girls work irregularly. (= not all days of the week). The girl I took out was working at such an escort service. I think there usually is no fine if they take some days off.
A help girl may even be a better possibility. But it depends on the girl. Some of the help girls I find less trustworthy than escort girls. Yet there is always a possibility you find a gem.
Dutch44
Hi Mr Enternatonal,
Definitely Dutch. Like someone said in a post less than a week ago, it is like a vacation for them. So it could be your vacation with a superstar. And 200 is more than what they would make in a day with the 10 guys that come through. Christopherd, if you remember the girl I was talking to on the 3rd floor of BA85, she told me that she makes about 150 per day.
Vacation: yes that is my experience too. If they like you, they prefer to stay with you for a few days, make the same amount of money and have some vacation as well. I took my escort girl out for the weekend and let her choose where she wanted to go. It was a very nice experience. Next time I will try 150 R$ per day, based on what you said.
Also actually I am the type of guy that likes to wake up in the morning and have her still there, close to me. (I know some of you will disagree). In other words: GFE.
Dutch44
Went to Barbarella with a bunch of monger coworkers. Spent the evening having a good time enjoying the view and ended up at the end of the evening taking one of the view back to the hotel. I should have recognized the warning signs (pushy, pushy, pushy), and made the fatal error of *not* finishing negotiation before we left, much less got to my room (a mistake I've not made in Dubai, Manilla, Bangkok, and Singapore in eons). Sigh. Needless to say, it went from "for the night" to conditions to a quick one and get her out the door before I blew my cool, way too many are$ later.
Aside from getting back on the horse again and trying to do it right, anyone (after the obligatory "you dumbsh*t") got constructive suggestions? I'll start with re-RTFMing, but if someone can point to the "top 5 rules" of Rio, it'll help.
Yeah, the top five rules of Rio are:
1. Avoid Barbarella
2. Avoid Barbarella
3. Avoid Barbarella
4. Avoid Barbarella
5. Avoid Barbarella
You seem pretty well-traveled, so you should be able to figure out the rest.
Seriously though, has *anyone* here ever had a good experience with a Barbarella girl?? BTW, are they still quoting R$ 500 for ST?
El Austriaco
05-23-07, 01:50
Yeah, the top five rules of Rio are:
1. Avoid Barbarella
2. Avoid Barbarella
3. Avoid Barbarella
4. Avoid Barbarella
5. Avoid Barbarella
You seem pretty well-traveled, so you should be able to figure out the rest.
Seriously though, has *anyone* here ever had a good experience with a Barbarella girl?? BTW, are they still quoting R$ 500 for ST?
For me, the five rules would be (to paraphrase something I had posted earlier under http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=462053&postcount=957):
1. Avoid Barbarella or similar joints, like Frank's, etc.
2. Look for any signs of trouble/lame performance (pushy, no humor, no touching or kissing before, blatant gringo pricing, ordering the most expensive drinks, drugs, other erratic behavior).
3. Always negotiate prices and services clearly (and never in dollars).
4. Take her to a love motel.
5. Never pay in advance.
OK, it would be #6, but important also: kick her out at the first sign of trouble.
And no, I never had a good experience at Barbarella's, either.
EA
Exec Talent
05-23-07, 02:10
I met a girl who worked at Barbarella or Barbarela (depending on the sign) at Help one night. We get back to my place and what was supposed to be all night looked like it was only going to be 2 hours. When I asked her what happened to all night, she started to cry. Guys who think that these girls do what they do because they "love to bang," are sadly mistaken. They do what they do with guys who disgust them for one reason - money.
After I held her all night, she decided to stay not until the next morning but until late that afternoon. Not all Barbarela girls are bad, however, I agree it is not the place to meet them.
Seriously though, has *anyone* here ever had a good experience with a Barbarella girl??
I haven't really been to Brabarellas in years because I prefer Help now for the whole night experience. But I have had some great times at Barbarellas through the years, it was a fun place, getting up on the stage and dancing with the girls, lots of laughs and some of the best sex I ever had, I still think of some of these girls. Also one night in Help I met a girl who worked in Barbarella's she didn't want to come but her friend dragged her in there, I did her 4 times that night, she was beautiful, hot, I still think of her. If I ever go back it would only be to pull a real stunner out of there or to bring some newbie’s just to check the place out.
Is it over priced? Sure it is especially at today's exchange rate. I had a friend who would start his night out there every night. After dinner he would go there get a good table in front of the stage, smoke a cigar, have a few drinks and watch the show, rarely took a girl out but did at times then after midnight he would go to Help and spend the rest of the evening and find his girl. I've done this with him a couple of times it was cool but sometimes I couldn't resist the girls and takeout. If you're the type of guy who only mongers in places like downtown or VM then of course this is not the place for you, it's obviously not your style but others may like it and they may never be caught dead downtown or in VM.
I have only been there one time, and this was in November/2005. I was there with a buddy, and he could not believe the quotes that he was getting for an allnighter. According to him, the ladies were very stuck up, and there were too many fees involved. He left empty handed.
I on the otherhand, met a very charming young redhead( not usually my type ) who was a university student that spoke english pretty well. What a body and a smile to go with it. She was a very cool chick, who did not order a drink ( thats one of the reasons she won me over ), she just drank from the one that I ordered. We spoke for quite a while, and had some good laughs. I remember scanning the room many times and observing many girls playing hardball, and having a bit of an attitude towards many men, my friend being one of them. Just for the record, my friend does very well in the south beach club scene ( with non-pro hotties ), so he was in shock and frustrated. I found this to be very amusing.
To be quite honest, I do not remember now what I paid to get in and bar fine to take her out, but I do remember her charging 200R for 2 hours. Well, turns out she stayed all night, what a nice surprise. It was a alot of fun, as she really enjoyed kissing and pleasing. Both at night and in the morning. Unfortunately, I was not able to shoot my load that night. She turned me on big time, but I had already unloaded 3 times earlier that day with a terma girl (Isabelle)that came to my apartment, whom I met at Luomo's the night before, I was spent. I didn't really have to tell her the reason I was shooting blanks, she was smart enough to figure it out on her own.
I think I just lucked out that one time I went to Barbs. I have really never been motivated to go back, because I just felt as though the women have the leverage due to the big money spending corporate clients that go to this particular establishment. Hence, the garotas begin to develop a spoiled attitude. I am sure there are some gems in there, but hell, I can find them in other places where don't feel I have to be constantly looking out not to get ripped off. Whether its the entrance fee, the waiter, the garota, the old man who collects bar fine for take out, the doorman outside who asks for a tip when he doesn't even open the door of the taxi for you, and last but not least, the taxi drivers outside Barbs. Just my 2 cents worth ( which by the way, isn't even worth 2 cents anymore with the current exchange rate ).
Seriously though, has *anyone* here ever had a good experience with a Barbarella girl?? BTW, are they still quoting R$ 500 for ST?I was in barbarellas this past new years and i had a great time.
The chick asked me for R$500, I said I would pay R$300, she said ok.
And that was that.
And also it was the night before new years eve.
Yes my total for the club was R$120, and R$300, for the garota.
But the problem with Barbarellas is the place not the girls.
Royalflush
05-23-07, 14:13
1. Be prepared to shoot down every girl in the place and walk out alone (just enjoy the spectacle)
2. Don't order expensive drinks; instead, order a bottle of wine (it's relatively inexpensive). They leave the bottle on the table and you can share it without having to pay for additional drinks when a girl sits with you.
3. Go on an off night when the girls are more amenable to negotiating. If you go, for example, early on a Saturday night, you greatly decrease your odds of negotiating a deal.
4. If you don't speak Portugese and/or are not generally successful scoring with hot looking non-pros, you should expect to pay a premium, which is upwards of 200R.
5. Avoid women who have spent time in the States or who start discussing currency exchange rates (this should be obvious).
6. Don't take a cab from out front. Every one of the drivers is a crook and will rip you off any way he can.
If you follow the rules above, and # 4 does not apply then you should be able to negotiate 200R or less. I have dragged beautiful girls from there on multiple occasions and never paid more than that.
I think it's a fun place if you set your expectations realistically and are willing to "keep your powder dry".
More Action
05-23-07, 14:43
i get charged $5 usd everytime i make a cash advance using my paypal credit card. when did you last try this?
i had asked them over the phone about their charges for cash advances overseas, lady on the phone said "nothing extra." i clarified "so i only pay interest" and the lady concurred. :( but they did charge me per transaction.
i use my visa debit card from a local credit union at bradesco and hsbc banks instead.i used it last week.
to clarify, this is not a paypal visa credit card. it's a paypal debit card. so it works like your atm/debit card but has the visa logo et. al. and i don't get charge atm or foreign currency fees.
i don't have their credit card, so in actuality i'm not making a cash advance. if you have a paypal account and linked to bank accounts, you can simply transfer cash from your bank account to paypal account free. but process takes 3-4 days to clear.
i would never do cash advances on a credit card, cause everyone will [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you.
Thanks for the info, Jesuscola. I´ll add it to my personalised Bubba guide that I use for quick reference. Must check the times and opening days of 4x4 as meaning to go there soon. Maybe even after the match at Maracana this week (unless the other mongers want to just slum it in Mimosa heh heh heh.)Mon thru Fri - 2pm to 12am
Barbarella girls can be found at the beach in front of the Meridian between 11:am and 3:PM.
Their rates are below their normal R$300 to R$500 Barbarrella's rate.
And from time to time they pop in help.
And you can catch most of theme in Porn movies.
These girls are beautiful and smart pros that know their worth, when they are in Barbarellas.
There are, some bottom end girls at barbarellas that might give a low rate.
But that defeats the purpose of why you pay to enter the place.
Which is to find the best garotas in Rio, Right?
... if you don't mind consuming overpriced drinks served by stupid garçons and paying more than a salário mínimo to get laid.
All, without exception, of the stripclubs in Copacabana are casa de gringos and as a result major rip-offs. As Barbarella has higher class on their girls they can afford to be the biggest rip-off of them all.
IMHO the best strip-club in Rio is Florida, at Praça Mauá.
I am seriously beginning to panic about this drop in the dollar. It fell to 1.94 Reals today. I had a hunch it would continue to decline, but hell, not at this pace.
If I were only spending a week in Brasil, it would not make a big difference in my attitude about spending. But when one will be in Brasil for a month, things can add up, and it becomes a concern and makes more of an impact on decision making. That is the last thing I want to be doing on my vacation, having to be concerned about budgeting. Hopefully things will get better in the next few days.
Chingon, when you get there on friday, get as much mula as possible, cause it only looks as though its going to get worse. Good Luck!
I would not hold my breath. A friend of mine who is in banking forsees the USD to continue to drop. We will likely be at 3-1 on the British Pound, 2-1 on the Euro, and possibly 1-1 on the Reais.....
Truth is overall the weaker the Dollar is the better it is for the US economy. It makes our good cheaper overseas, and more attractive for tourists to come to the US. It sucks, but the days of getting 4 Reais for 1 USD will never come back.
Wanderer1000
05-24-07, 01:41
For those that are interested in articles and opinions on the currency rates -
financialsense.com - go to Financial Sense University Editorials - 5/22 article by Gary Dorsch.
... if you don't mind consuming overpriced drinks served by stupid garçons and paying more than a salário mínimo to get laid.
All, without exception, of the stripclubs in Copacabana are casa de gringos and as a result major rip-offs. As Barbarella has higher class on their girls they can afford to be the biggest rip-off of them all.
IMHO the best strip-club in Rio is Florida, at Praça Mauá.
I have to agree - and it is the only one I would visit. All the strip clubs are American style which I don´t personally find that sexy. I like the old fashioned sort where there is a build up of expectation rather than the girl removing her clothes as if she spends as much time out of them as in them. At least at Florida you don´t get a hard sell and the girls don´t break the bank.
But that aside, I not only avoid Barbarella´s, but try to avoid B´s girls if I find them elsewhere. If a girl says she used to work at B´s I give her a miss there and then as my limited experience suggests to me they are mostly money-extraction machines without the slightest concept of value for dinheiros.
I got a girl back from Help once and kicked her out cos she wanted money upfront. Mid-rant she told me she used to work at B´s as if this was some sort of accolade. I made the sign of a cross with two fingers the way Van Helsing might ward off any other blood-sucking vampire . . .
Of course, I´m sure some folks love the place . . .
El Austriaco
05-24-07, 04:24
that aside, I not only avoid Barbarella´s, but try to avoid B´s girls if I find them elsewhere. If a girl says she used to work at B´s I give her a miss there and then as my limited experience suggests to me they are mostly money-extraction machines without the slightest concept of value for dinheiros.
I got a girl back from Help once and kicked her out cos she wanted money upfront. Mid-rant she told me she used to work at B´s as if this was some sort of accolade. I made the sign of a cross with two fingers the way Van Helsing might ward off any other blood-sucking vampire . . .
I fully agree. Over the years, I have met several girls that were actively working a Barbarella or had worked there before, when they were hanging out in different places in Copacabana: Balcony, Meia Pataca, TA, Help. All of them were wearing their Barbarella connection like a badge of honor and were using it in an attempt to justify their higher rates ("well, that's what Barbarella girls charge"). Not a single one of them ever made it through my negotiating process, just like neither one in Barbarella's. I am pretty sure I didn't miss much.
EA
Exec Talent
05-24-07, 04:47
I am not big at posting photos, but this one is suitable for family viewing. This is the Barbarella girl in question.
I wander in looking as unobtrusive as I can. Stick Luis change from a ten-spot (fica com o troco) so I won´t get bothered. A bartender is hacking ice with a small knife definitely not meant for the job. I keep a stony expression for the first ten minutes to ward off the pushy girls. There´s about three mongers in and the rest girls. Quite a few very pretty ones, the rest skanks or a few deceptively posh-looking loira tarts off the street. One lanky guy is dancing incongruously by himself. A chubby blonde is asleep, head on table. A crazy-looking girl claps in time to the band but it doesn´t sound right somehow. I´m watching the silent DVD of a samba singer who´s all the rage.
In walks Adriana. She´s the only street girl I´d touch. Not the prettiest girl ever, but she has a certain integrity in her limited work that has earned my respect over the years. I am really pleased to see her again and hug her effusively. Get her new phone number. This is a nice surprise. But my evening is just starting so I´m not going with her tonight.
In comes the Chiglet girl (an older woman with a wig). I feel a bit sorry for her and buy a packet of gum I don´t need. She glows for the next few minutes at having made sale. Cheap at double the price. Up at the spare microphone a blonde is making like she´s singing with the band. Actually she mostly only joins in the odd ¨yeah, yeah¨ or so. At the end of the song she basks graciously in the desultory applause, smiling to her loving millions of imagined fans. A decent sort.
The pushy girls have left me alone and I can let my eye wander. Hidden among the debris are some smiles that could melt mountains. I shift to the window to get a different view (I also want to be able to see if the smiling face above the table conceals a less sightly waistline!) At the window, a girl I spent a lot of time with the other night appears. I haven´t returned many of her constant phone messages. And none of the 9090 (collect) calls. She was kinda nice, quite classy. Speaks good English until I try to explain that where programma girls are concerned I like to try many different girls. Suddenly she only speaks Portuguese and insists I try to do the same. She says she doesn´t want money. I tell her she said that last time but still asked for it (and accepted it) in the morning. She tells me my Portuguese is no good and come back to her apartment now. If she wasn´t so pushy I would give her a drink and a dance and maybe another night sometime, but now she´s lowered herself. And (more to the point perhaps), I have my eye on a cutie.
She´s very quiet. Her friends are a head taller than her. They are very much at home in the place and appear to be only enjoying the music (I like this subtle approach). But I don´t want to overplay my hand by sitting next to them. Hoping I´ve landed her attention, I move as if I am thinking of leaving. It works. She comes over. There´s the coyness of a girl on her first date. And she´s even prettier close up. Flirt outrageously for a while. She´s not from Rio. My carefully practiced Carioca-esque accent makes my words incoherent to her and hers to me. But now I´m hooked too. I go sit down with her and her mates at the top table. She is so nice I am getting concerned about potential reals involved. I have my maximum. Her friend leans over after a while and says she´ll translate after this song. Eventually she agrees my rate ´cos she likes me´. Great!
The gangly man has found a partner to dance with. What´s more, he´s actually a good dancer. Yet even with groin-to-groin forro, he looks like he might struggle to get laid.
Back at the apartment my girl takes her downbeat jacket off to reveal a thin top through which pert and ample bosoms strut proudly. She´s 23yrs old and her kisses taste as fresh as a snog on the college campus under summer sun.
Can I say this was the best sex in a while. And best GFE too. Before she left (at about 9pm that evening - it was 6.30am when we left the bar), I was worried that it had been so sensual and affectionate that there might be a problem. Would she feel emotional attachment? Would there be havering over the money? No way. This girl was the best IMO. As I tested her on her English she joked about knowing numbers like 100, 200, 300 (typical programma asking fees) but weak on 12 and 13. I joked back that my Portuguese only extended to my meagre top price. I loved her to bits. Maybe she didn´t have the best job in the world, but she could take a pride in doing it exceptionally well, with human warmth and talent (she wore me out too - I needed vitamins at half-time). I placed the notes so she could see the amount on her handbag and she smiled her acceptance quickly back.
I seems it had been raining. It seems a long time since we left Nogueira this morning . . .
Quite a contrast to two nights ago. Similar warm-up, but Balcony Bar. Long getting-to-know-you back at the apartment. Sex wasn´t that terrific really, even though she was a lovely girl. Afterwards she told me how she´s only done it for four months, how she lost her last job and so on. She had not, IMO, maybe adjusted emotionally and so couldn´t give anything like her all to a customer. Kinda sad. Can´t say I´ve ever had a great experience from Balcony, even if it is just coincidences. But it´s close to where I stay (only a couple of blocks on the busier section of Atlantica, including a market, so always worth a rummage or two.)
The night is young. Half of me wants to go to Mimosa. The other half says conserve some strength and pace yourself, Christopherd. Shall I listen to common sense? Just this once?
All of them were wearing their Barbarella connection like a badge of honor and were using it in an attempt to justify their higher rates ("well, that's what Barbarella girls charge"). EA
That sounds very familiar. Other connections I hear a lot are that they used to work at Centaurus or Café Foto in Sao Paulo. Who cares?
Even though I avoid Barbarella as the plague three of my best GP-friends in Copa are all B girls. Superb girls, friendly, happy, intelligent and generous.
IMHO the best strip-club in Rio is Florida, at Praça Mauá.Sperto, is club Florida still open?
When I was there in January it appeared to be closed.
Mr Enternational
05-24-07, 07:49
This is a note from a non-pro who I stayed with one night in Rio. She is upset because I have not had time to talk with her since I returned to the states. I'm posting it because something she said drew my attention. She seems to be of the opinion that Copacabana gdps are treated bad. Have any other Rio experts noticed this to be the general perception of the everyday Carioca or Brazilian in reference to Copa gdps? Because I, on the other hand, am of the humble opinion that they are treated too damn good.
Claudia said:
Sabe o que me deixa triste e saber que dormi ao seu lado e agora você me ignora....tô pior que as prostitutas de copa ,são tratadas assim, se não gostou de mim como mulher seja sincero e haja como homen adulto e fale é melhor.
Sperto, is club Florida still open?
When I was there in January it appeared to be closed.
Yes, Florida is still open.
The number of girls working in the area of Praça Mauá depends a lot on how many foreign ships coming to the port.
I don't know why everyone is so into slagging off Barbarellas and the girls that work there. I have had some amazing nights there and in Franks too. Admittedly some of those were on somebody elses corporate credit card.
I always remember the first time I walked in and it was wall to wall leggy blonds, todas loiras de aviao, tudo com uma caixa preto. I have very rarely had any attitude from them I have had more problems in Help.
The drinks are expensive but this type of bar exists all over the world you just have to play the right game. If you go in there with a negative attitude the women see it, if you act like a tight **** that isn't going to spend money you will get attitude from them. If you go to Nuth or Melt you pay a cover charge and theres a strong mark up on the drinks but you don't moan that it's robbery. Go there and your lucky to have a bill of less than R$100 at the end of the night. Go to Franks , buy two beers, watch a live sex show get some girls number arrange to meet her later, total cost maybe R$80 depending on self discipline.
It's not all gringos in there, I know a helluva lot of brasilians that go there. One old rich boy nearly lives in there.
Hi Christopherd,
Nice report.
She´s very quiet. Her friends are a head taller than her. They are very much at home in the place and appear to be only enjoying the music (I like this subtle approach). But I don´t want to overplay my hand by sitting next to them. Hoping I´ve landed her attention, I move as if I am thinking of leaving. It works. She comes over. There´s the coyness of a girl on her first date. And she´s even prettier close up. ......She is so nice I am getting concerned about potential reals involved. I have my maximum. Her friend leans over after a while and says she´ll translate after this song. Eventually she agrees my rate ´cos she likes me´. Great!
Makes me want to go back there real soon. Darn, I just returned from Rio 10 days ago. If you like GFE (and I LOVE that) there is no place like Rio. Have fun...
Dutch44
Yes, Florida is still open.
The number of girls working in the area of Praça Mauá depends a lot on how many foreign ships coming to the port.
Where is Praca Maua? What day is best to visit? I met a girl who mentioned she used to dance at the Florida bar and I would like to visit when I return in a couple of weeks. What type of prices should I expect to hear?
I am not big at posting photos, but this one is suitable for family viewing. This is the Barbarella girl in question.
That girl sis not really that good looking to be expecting a high rate. I am sure there are alot better women in Rio then that, and they don't work at the B.
Chris H
El Austriaco
05-24-07, 19:39
Where is Praca Maua? What day is best to visit? I met a girl who mentioned she used to dance at the Florida bar and I would like to visit when I return in a couple of weeks. What type of prices should I expect to hear?
Location:
Praça Mauá is in the downtown (Centro) area of Rio, and Florida is just a 100 yards from the Police Headquarters on Avenida Venezuela. Since it's relatively easy to reach by using public transportations, I'll give instructions: take the metro to Uruguiana station, take the Presidente Vargas exit. Head down to Avenida Rio Branco in the direction of the big church (Igreja da Candelaria), i.e. away from the SAARA market. On Rio Branco, hang a LEFT to cross Presidente Vargas and walk all the way down until Rio Branco ends at the waterfront. That's where Praça Mauá is. Florida is right next to the Scandinavian bar (another joint you might want to check out).
I have enclosed a Google image with markups identifying all these elements.
Of course, you could also cab it from Copacabana (fare should run approx. R$ 20 to 22 by now).
Opening Times:
Unfortunately, don't remember exactly, but I think they open early (noon?). Sperto should know.
Prices:
The last time I was there (April 2006), Florida had the following prices posted:
30 minutes @ USD 20.00 (yes, prices were posted in US dollars)
40 minutes @ USD 30.00
60 minutes @ USD 50.00.
Hope this helps,
EA
El Austriaco
05-24-07, 20:12
She seems to be of the opinion that Copacabana gdps are treated bad. Have any other Rio experts noticed this to be the general perception of the everyday Carioca or Brazilian in reference to Copa gdps? Because I, on the other hand, am of the humble opinion that they are treated too damn good.
Like always, there can be quite a gap between perception and reality. IMHO, most Cariocas, certainly, and Brazilians in general are aware of the "sex tourism" aspect of Copacabana and assume, just assume, that because sex work is a non-reputable, risky occupation, there are aspects of violence, abuse, and delinquency to it, meaning violence and abuse of GdPs by customers (poor girls, tough guys). That's the perception, and while there certainly is violence and abuse, most are not aware that there is clearly also violence, abuse, and delinquency by the girls (setups with drugs, ripoffs, robbery, theft, whatever not). But that's really the perception of outsiders looking in.
Reading what your girl wrote, I think she feels that you treated her like a Copa hooker should expect to be treated: find them, fuck them, forget them, essentially.
As I wrote in a few earlier posts, like you, I am also of the humble opinion that most inexperienced mongers treat the Copa GdPs too well or give them too much of the benefit of the doubt (http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=463740&postcount=1050, http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=487814&postcount=1406)
EA
El Austriaco
05-24-07, 20:22
The drinks are expensive but this type of bar exists all over the world you just have to play the right game. If you go in there with a negative attitude the women see it, if you act like a tight **** that isn't going to spend money you will get attitude from them.
You are right, this setup exists all over the world, and in most places all over the world, it's the only setup. Hell, I just wish there were places that cool where I live in Mexico. Here in town, even in the cheap brothels, they have a USD 10.00 entrance fee, and ladies' drinks run between USD 7.00 and 14.00, and the girls are really nothing special (read: borderline skanks). Do I wish we had a Barbarella's or Franks here? You bet.
But we are talking about Rio. We are talking about Rio with TONS of other options. And just like Sperto said, within the Rio setting, all of those places, unfortunately, are major gringo rip-off joints, IMHO.
Actually, I think you described the operating philosophy of these places pretty well: you come with a negative attitude (read: unwilling to spend a lot of money), you will get attitude. The magic solution to getting no attitude? Spending lots of money on drinks, of course. That's how it works.
And in Rio, I just can't see a whole lot of reasons to put up with that. I do have to put up with it where I live, anyway, because I don't have any other choice... why would I perpetuate the same when I am in Rio?
My two centavos,
EA
Exec Talent
05-24-07, 21:53
That girl sis not really that good looking to be expecting a high rate. I am sure there are alot better women in Rio then that, and they don't work at the B.
Chris H
is my ability to take a quality photo. The girl was very hot. And, who said anything about paying a high rate. I met her at Help as I mentioned previously. Rate was R$200 for TLN if I remember correctly.
is my ability to take a quality photo. The girl was very hot. And, who said anything about paying a high rate. I met her at Help as I mentioned previously. Rate was R$200 for TLN if I remember correctly.
Sorry my fault, I thought that was one of the GDP's from the B, that charge a high price, sorry for jumping the gun.
Chris H
Exec Talent
05-24-07, 22:34
Sorry my fault, I thought that was one of the GDP's from the B, that charge a high price, sorry for jumping the gun.
Chris H
Chris,
She regularly worked at Barbarella's, but I met her at Help. I know termas girls who finish at the termas and beeline it to Help every night.
Trust me though, she was a major hottie, I just suck at taking pictures. In this case, don't blame the art, blame the artist.
Location:
Praça Mauá is in the downtown (Centro) area of Rio, and Florida is just a 100 yards from the Police Headquarters on Avenida Venezuela. Since it's relatively easy to reach by using public transportations, I'll give instructions: take the metro to Uruguiana station, take the Presidente Vargas exit. Head down to Avenida Rio Branco in the direction of the big church (Igreja da Candelaria), i.e. away from the SAARA market. On Rio Branco, hang a LEFT to cross Presidente Vargas and walk all the way down until Rio Branco ends at the waterfront. That's where Praça Mauá is. Florida is right next to the Scandinavian bar (another joint you might want to check out).
I have enclosed a Google image with markups identifying all these elements.
Of course, you could also cab it from Copacabana (fare should run approx. R$ 20 to 22 by now).
Opening Times:
Unfortunately, don't remember exactly, but I think they open early (noon?). Sperto should know.
Prices:
The last time I was there (April 2006), Florida had the following prices posted:
30 minutes @ USD 20.00 (yes, prices were posted in US dollars)
40 minutes @ USD 30.00
60 minutes @ USD 50.00.
Hope this helps,
EA
All quite accurate - but - although if you will excuse me mentioning the obvious and what will sound to many like working with the devil - that´s a long walk when you can get plenty of buses that will drop you right outside.
El Austriaco
05-26-07, 00:41
That's a long walk when you can get plenty of buses that will drop you right outside.
Out of curiosity, which buses take you there directly from different parts of Copacabana?
The walk from the Uruguaiana metro station I described in my earlier post should take approx. 10 minutes, I would say, maybe 15 for those "doente do pé", to quote Dorival Caymmi.
However, if you stop in all the little *****houses in the area for a drink (like on Marechal Floreano, Rua Acre, Rua Miguel Couto, Rua Mayrink Veiga, etc.), walking there might take you three or four hours... if you make it to Florida at all :)
EA
Hi everybody,
This is my first post and it serves also as presentation since I did not find an specific topic for it. I found this forum just a short time ago and after spending some time just reading and doing some research I realized it was time for some pay back, like everyone should do. I am from Brazil, Rio de Janeiro specifically and have some experience in the mongering scene here, mainly regarding Termas. Since there aren't many brazilians in the forum, I think I might be of some help concerning mainly Rio, since its a great destination for sex seekers, actualy the best he, he, he. So feel at easy to ask for information, I will be glad to answer if I can. Right now I am living in Europe, in Spain, studying and will be here until the end of 2008, then come back to Brasil. Since I have been outside Brazil for 6 months so far, my knowledge of the Termas and massage places in Rio may be a bit not so uptodate but I think might be of help concerning general aspects. I will travel to Eastern Europe-Chech Republicc, Slovakia, Austria (just Viena) and Hungary, although intending to seek for paid sex only in Chech and Slovakia. So I will probably post here in the Brazilian forums and in the Eastern Europen ones looking for information. To begin with, from what I read so far you guys already have quite a knowledge of the Rio scenery, I was impressed by the Bubba report, quite accurate. Probably some of you have more time inside the termas than most brazilian customers.
Anyway, instead of posting about things that already have been said, I'd rather answer specific questions so feel free to ask, I will be glad to share the info if I have.
Travelerb69If you don't mind, please can you tell me some info regarding cafe400, in barra. I was there like 2 years ago, but only the entrance, did not enter, can you tell me info, prices, services and so fouth? Also, I know a girl called samatha there, I met her in barra and she told me she works there, you know here? I don't know her real name. Anyway.
Thanks!
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Hi Aunsa
I have already been a few times to club 400, but it has been a while. I do not like their attitude towards clients, if you pick a girl you have to pay in advance, they charge you something like 20% more if paid with credit or debit card and once even charged me 7 reais for one single condom which I thought would be for free, ridiculous, that was the last time I went there. In spite of that I have a friend who has been there recently and told me it is in a good moment, lots of beauties, mainly blonds. As for the prices I do not remember exactly but something around 250 reais including entrance, the cabin and the girl for 40 minutes. Girls were not very pushy, you can take yout time. It is not really a rip off place, I just got angry and prefer other places. I do not know or heard of this girl Samanta. If you go there I advise you to pay in cash to avoid the overcharging.
if you don´t mind, please can you tell me some info regarding cafe400, in barra...i was there like 2 years ago, but only the entrance, did not enter, can you tell me info, prices, services and so fouth? Also, i know a girl called samatha there, i met her in barra and she told me she works there, you know here? i don´t know her real name...anyway...thanks!
PS: Your settings don´t let you receive PMI was checking out O Globo this morning to see what the current exchange rate was and noticed a couple of articles, unfortunately they don't let you copy and paste anymore.
A house of prostitution was closed in Barra Thursday. The authorities suspected minors were being exploited there. When it was busted a total of 80 people were in the establishment including staff, garotas and clients. The place had been under surveillance for a month and the investigation will continue while they inspect files on computers. They didn't name the place but said it was in front of the beach in Barra and there was a big 400 on the door in the picture. I suspect it is the 400 club.
Mr Enternational
05-27-07, 05:46
i found some of the commets that were posted by the readers kind of interesting. it showed their take on the world of p4p. minus the **** part, i picked up on it as a general "who gives a fuck" attitude. another day, another real. at least people are not in the street robbing, [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125), and committing heinous crimes. seemed to be just a part of everyday life to them.
i was checking out o globo this morning to see what the current exchange rate was and noticed a couple of articles, unfortunately they don't let you copy and paste anymore.
a house of prostitution was closed in barra thursday. the authorities suspected minors were being exploited there. when it was busted a total of 80 people were in the establishment including staff, garotas and clients. the place had been under surveillance for a month and the investigation will continue while they inspect files on computers. they didn't name the place but said it was in front of the beach in barra and there was a big 400 on the door in the picture. i suspect it is the 400 club.
i found some of the commets that were posted by the readers kind of interesting. it showed their take on the world of p4p. minus the **** part, i picked up on it as a general "who gives a fuck" attitude. another day, another real. at least people are not in the street robbing, [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125), and committing heinous crimes. seemed to be just a part of everyday life to them.
i don't know what you're talking about, my comments are about a newspaper article stating that club 400 was closed and the reason why. i posted this so that anybody who was going to make the trip to barra just to go there would think twice about it and verify if it is still open. that's all this is, it's not anybody's take on the world.
U.S. man killed in Brazil bar fight
Sat May 26, 8:41 PM ET
A Massachusetts man was shot to death in a bar fight with a Brazilian policeman, police said Saturday.
Joseph E. Martin was killed Thursday night outside a nightclub in Lapa, Rio's bohemian district, said a police press officer who declined to give his name, in accordance with police policy.
"He saw the officer was smaller than he was so he attacked him," the official said. "When they separated, the policeman shot him."
Martin, who was from Worcester and had been in Brazil two years teaching English, was celebrating his 30th birthday the night he was killed, said Brendan Melican, a friend of Martin's in the United States.
"He loved the city, loved the country," Melican said. "He really enjoyed immersing himself in the culture."
Martin was shot in the abdomen and died of his wounds, the police spokesman said. There was no immediate report of what would be done with the body.
Kate Martin, an aunt in Worcester, said that she had been in contact with the U.S. Consulate in Brazil throughout the day.
"All we really know is that Joseph got into an altercation with this man who was an off-duty police officer," she said. "Eyewitnesses said they were fighting, at which point he fired two shots into Joseph's abdomen."
She said embassy officials told the family that it took 20 minutes for an ambulance to arrive and that Martin died in the hospital.
The officer, Joao Vicente Sa Freire, was arrested and charged with homicide. He claimed he fired in self defense, police said.
El Austriaco
05-27-07, 19:41
Martin was shot in the abdomen and died of his wounds, the police spokesman said. There was no immediate report of what would be done with the body.
After completion of all formalities by a representative of the US Embassy, the body of the victim has been released by the IML (Instituto Médico-Legal: Forensic Institute of Rio de Janeiro) and is being prepared for transportation to Massachusetts for burial, according to an O Globo Report (http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2007/05/27/295915617.asp).
EA
Out of curiosity, which buses take you there directly from different parts of Copacabana?
The walk from the Uruguaiana metro station I described in my earlier post should take approx. 10 minutes, I would say, maybe 15 for those "doente do pé", to quote Dorival Caymmi.
However, if you stop in all the little *****houses in the area for a drink (like on Marechal Floreano, Rua Acre, Rua Miguel Couto, Rua Mayrink Veiga, etc.), walking there might take you three or four hours... if you make it to Florida at all :)
EA
When you put it like that, yes the walk does sound interesting - some of those places I want to visit myself.
My thoughts were that if someone was still new enough to Rio to need directions they might not fancy that walk at night.
I´m not going to list all the buses for you - El A - you´ve been around long enough to know where to find that info. But I usually look out for a 123 or 177 from Pr.Isabel where I stay (most buses come along NS Copa first, which covers all of Copa - newbies, check if you like in Ruas, which you can get from any bokshop or the better newsstands). If there´s nowt at Maua you fancy, a 222 bus goes from there to Pr. Bandeira (the stopping off point a hundred yards from Mimosa).
Many buses go to Pr.Maua as it´s on a main thoroughfare. I seem to pass it when I go to Rodoviaria Novo Rio from Copa. But they might not park there, in which case you have to know when to get off. Like VM, it´s easier once you´ve been once.
I realised from chatting to people and my memories of the USA that Americans may have an aversion to buses as America is not a bus culture generally perhaps. But using buses is an essential part IMO of getting to know a country or a city. Using them in Bangkok, for instance, is a revelation. Most people I have taken on bus here are amazed at how straightforward it is and realised there is no need to take taxis and metro everywhere.
One Eyed Man
05-28-07, 00:57
Christopherd mentioned this place in a couple of posts, but it's not listed in anyone's summaries. Sounds like it's in Rua Carioca, but I can't find a house number. Anyone know the address / care to give a description?
Christopherd mentioned this place in a couple of posts, but it's not listed in anyone's summaries. Sounds like it's in Rua Carioca, but I can't find a house number. Anyone know the address / care to give a description?
40 Rua d.Carioca. Almost oposite 59. I think Sperto mentioned it only there was maybe I typo in his report that confused it with the strip joint / cinema again almost opposite. You can´t miss it easily as there´s a red canopy over the top with the name on it.
Visa, reception area at top of first flight of stairs. Large room with a bar behind it. Can be rather dimly lit for my liking in the bar. No pressure. Girls average with some above average. About 30R for 20 mins. Reception gives you a chit which your bar drinks are marked on (you don´t have to buy any). Various promotions. When you´ve chosen a girl you go back to reception and pay for the time you want. Girl leads you upstairs to next floor. Rooms reasonably quiet and private. The room I´ve always had has got a double bed and some sunlight comes in from the street which is nice.
Last time I asked if my fave girl was on and told yes. Couldn´t see her in the bar. About to make a second choice. Got back to reception and asked again. They sent the second girl back to get my fave.
Performance has varied in my experience. My fave girl is excellent. Another girl I had was more mechanical. Ooohs and ahhhs and fake orgasm, but reminded me a bit (sorry fans) of my experience with tier one terma girls but without the model looks, sophistication or posh make-up.
This place, as Sperto correctly reported IMO, is middle tier, not quite as scruffy as 1R-a-minute (we are talking one-and-a-half-Real-a-minute lol) but not exactly freshly pressd linen sheets either.
The location is excellent. Good eating places such as Cafe do Bom and Bar Luis (amid the scruffy ones). Near to a metro (Carioca), near to several other termas, near to cheap shopping (and Rio Branco) and there´s even a bus route that takes you from here to VM. There´s several tourist attractions in easy walking distance. Lapa Arches and the Lapa Tram station. Praca Tiradentes Theatre (and a modern one I forget the name of that has excellent dance performances). The spaceship-shaped cathedral. And Lapa. The library nearby is also worth a look - beautiful old building, very amospheric.
One Eyed Man
05-28-07, 01:41
Make sure you go to Symbol on a Wednesday, "Noite dos solteiros", singles night. Free buffet, crowded, good music and beautiful girls (regular girls). Go early and don't waste any time. About 21 hs it seems like all the nice girls are taken.
Plan B: Florida Bar, Praça Mauá.
Here's the referenced quote by Dollars:
"Other places to hang out in other than Help. Look up Symbols and Passo Republica Cafe in Centro."
Passeio Público--Centro--Av. Rio Branco, 277 2220-1298
Symbol--Centro--Rua Almirante Barroso, 139 2533-0292
Mr Enternational
05-28-07, 01:49
When I read the article last week on oglobo.com, there was a section at the bottom where people could post comments on the Club 400 article. I was referring to the comments that posters made on that particular site in response to that particular article.
I don't know what you're talking about, my comments are about a newspaper article stating that Club 400 was closed and the reason why. I posted this so that anybody who was going to make the trip to Barra just to go there would think twice about it and verify if it is still open. That's all this is, it's not anybody's take on the world.
Bus into town, off at Praca15 and snap some tourist photos (stand in middle of road cautiously as lights are on red haha). The Palace is a beaut.
Wend my way to Buenos Aires 85. Incidentally, if it is your first visit, you might be confused when you see an upmarket ornaments shop that is also BA85. Don’t worry. Right next door you’ll see what looks like a grubby little side opening for the lift cage. That is what you want. Step past the lift cage (has it ever worked??), over any puddles or unimaginable stuff on the floor, and climb what someone described as ´the narrowest staircase in Rio´. There’s about three floors. On each landing girls may make a grab for your precious, or leer enticingly or occasionally be half-naked. It´s a down and dirty shot-hole and I love it. (btw I have never had a girl here or in VM or any other lowlife places who wasn’t clean and meticulous, and the comment on another thread about being more likely to catch herpes from them – as if paying more protected you duh! – is insulting).
Except today I was looking for a fave who was not there, and none of the other girls took my fancy. (It’s still early afternoon – by office closing time it will humming with lots of girls, and with guys – thin ones at least – being particularly polite and non-homophobic as they delicately manage to pass each other on the staircase.
I carry on down BA. Nothing I fancy in 113 either just now. At the end I come to the market by the Metro station. Left to Rua Carioca and the knock shops down there? No, I fancy something different. Turn right, crossing the busy Presidente Vargas highway and on towards Rua Acre.
Almost immediately I’m given a leaflet (what’s the most P4P adverts anyone’s been handed in a day I wonder?) It´s for Club Afrodyt. Rua Uruguaiana 145. 11am to 10pm. ¨Relax from R$15¨it suggests invitingly. If you go there, remember it is on the north side of Pr.Vargas, not on the main part of Uruguaiana. It’s on the left hand side just before Floriano. It’s just before 3pm. I go up the small staircase to a small square bar with a video juke box. About 5 girls on, but nothing spectacular.
I collect another two leaflets. The first is for Rua Leandro Martins 3. Rua LM is a small road off to the left at the beginning of Rua Acre. Up the small flight of stairs and it is almost the same as the last one except the bar is slightly bigger. About 5 girls. Again, from R15. Mon-Sat from 10am says the leaflet. Only one looked do-able and she looked so bored I was not inclined to give her a whirl.
Almost next door (past a billiard hall) is No.5 (this area is so riddled with knock shops you might want to just wander up any open stairway than has something like red lights (the sort they use on planes to tell you where to get off before you crash and die) or another indication. Again the leaflet says from R15. Credit cards accepted. When I go in however I get a very nice surprise. Now at this point my report has an admitted bias. Standing a few feet away is F-----. A favourite of several years. Last time I saw her was in Rua d.Carioca.
She sees me and we leap at each other as I lift her into the air. From there on, my spectacles are slightly rose tinted but I’ll try to be objective. The place is a good bit nicer than the others. Like Casarao maybe, or slightly better even. Bs on Sperto´s ratings maybe. Great atmosphere. Balloons. Reasonably well lit. Drinks at very reasonable prices (3R for a Skol). Some of the girls are definitely not bad. F & I dance and drink and canoodle and fool around pretty heavily for an hour or so. She is in no hurry to make me pay for her company. OK – other general details. Most cabins upstairs. Most have double beds. Ours had a sprung mattress, don’t know about the others. Offered a shower. Reasonable shgower facilities (as good as my apartment anyway). Two toilets. One even had a seat.
In the room, F was interrupted immediately by another girl who kisses her passionately and I’m offered a double. I decline as I want her to myself. This is a girl who lights up the room. She seems to see the good in everyone and showers affection on them. I was touched by the loving kindness she showed to an elderly man who had come to the club to give her a present. She danced samba with me and created a party atmosphere. In my view, she ought to be running the place, not just working there. She can do a great trick with her internal muscles (a bit like a blow job and with incredible strength). She enjoys lots of erotic (non-sexual) games that other GDPs and even regular girls would be bored with. She has moved to a better area, both the casa and her home address. She also lets me take a photo (having refused for two years).
I am on cloud 9. Stay for another beer afterwards. Check out MF1 on way back (neon entrance (4pm to midnight) but decide to go into town and finish some shopping. Am happy lol!
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