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Sometimes I fantasize about writing a book on positions for doubles or triples!
I agree that duplas are fantastic experiences. After finishing a dupla-session I always have a big smile glued to my face for 24 hours.
I´ve never tried a tripla because I can't figure out how the third girl will be to any real use...
Dear friends.
Can some give me a update abput the scene in Rio
1. Meduim hotel in copa or Impenma?
2. Where to go to find girls - Help ? or other name .
I will come 6 july and stay 3 days before i go SAo Pualo .
Thank you
Have her be the naked photogragher. She can also be a DJ as well as fetch some fresh towels or drinks. She can also clean up the saliva dripping down your cheeks during the action. What else?
Wandering Fool
06-22-07, 18:00
I would disagree.
The vast majority of GDP's are normal girls with normal sex preferences. But, because of their jobs, and because of the environment pressure, they are pushed to extremes they wouldn't do otherwise, so that they perform anal and lesbianism. So one can do anal and lesbianism with the majority of working girls.
IMHO.
Regards. BB
Anal, lesbo...extremes?
Lueck Hoff
06-23-07, 00:37
Surprisingly I had two sessions at terma 4x4 the last days, which turned out not to be good.
First session was with cindy, a chubby, young blond girl with a pretty face.
Friendly, but no good oral technique and an below average fuck. It may have been partially also my fault, because I was still suffering from a jetlag.
Second session was today, and this was really bad. I choose a pretty girl who is looking like a manaus girl ( but is a carioca ) and is always wearing a green bikini. She told me, that she will do " everything " in the cabin, which was a lie.
In the cabin she won´t let me come down on her or even touch her pussy, because she is using " librificado ", which is much better for her. Never heard this in brasil before. I finished after 20 minutes, although the room was booked for an hour.
The staff at terma 4x4 doesn´t care about any complains, you have to pay the bill and that´s it. There is no quality control at all, they are not interested
in it.
In the last year I had good experiences at 4x4, so may be I am just unlucky now. But the selection of the girls in the last year was also better in my opinion.
Another thing which I don´t like at 4x4 is that they are trying to ribb you off
with tipping. The " manaus girl " asked me to tip the staff which arranges the rooms, I couldn´t see any reason for this and refused. Remembered me of an report a few days before from another guy, who found 100 reals more on his bill as a " tip" without asking before.
I shall not repeat 4x4 on this trip. Fortunately at other termas in the centro the sessions this week were all good or very good, on sunday I shall have a
" takeout " from cancun. Unfortunately these termas are more expensive than 4x4. And I have almost three weeks more in rio.
Lueck Hoff
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Although I never say yes to everything a garota says before session, I always spend some time getting to feel them out. Yes, many a time, they will promise you the world. You did not mention if you had a drink with either lady or not, if you spend time talking to them or not. Despite a serious language barrier, you can get a good read on the lady's good or bad intentions if you try and chat with them. I can tell you without hessitation that in over 5 years of mongering in Brazil, I've had one bad session there. The reason for that was because I was way too eager to get going, and I jumped at the first, shapely, well built piece of ass that grabbed my crotch. A little patience goes a long way to establishing a connection (Yes, even for that 1 hr, 2hr, all nighter or even a 15 minute session). Establish yourself as a gentleman and different from all the other clients they see and you will never regret it. My suggestion, walk in there, get a drink, take your time around the place, especially a place like 4 X 4, where there are over 50 to 100 providers at any given time. Tip service people you come in contact with, trust me, they all talk a lot to each other. Take your time, be generous, make her laugh, and your service will always be unforgettable. Giving up on a place like 4 X 4? I would give them another chance. It doesn't matter if you spend 30 or 300 reals on a GDP. In order to get what you want, you have to get her involved in taking care of you. Be patient, talk to them, offer them something to eat and/or drink, make them at least smile and you will have to pull the woman off you because she won't stop until you make them stop. Isn't that what we all look for? Don't be like every other guy she sees who treats them like a blow up doll. That is the service you will get. Good luck.
Surprisingly I had two sessions at terma 4x4 the last days, which turned out not to be good.
First session was with cindy, a chubby, young blond girl with a pretty face.
Friendly, but no good oral technique and an below average fuck. It may have been partially also my fault, because I was still suffering from a jetlag.
Second session was today, and this was really bad. I choose a pretty girl who is looking like a manaus girl ( but is a carioca ) and is always wearing a green bikini. She told me, that she will do " everything " in the cabin, which was a lie.
In the cabin she won´t let me come down on her or even touch her pussy, because she is using " librificado ", which is much better for her. Never heard this in brasil before. I finished after 20 minutes, although the room was booked for an hour.
The staff at terma 4x4 doesn´t care about any complains, you have to pay the bill and that´s it. There is no quality control at all, they are not interested
in it.
In the last year I had good experiences at 4x4, so may be I am just unlucky now. But the selection of the girls in the last year was also better in my opinion.
Another thing which I don´t like at 4x4 is that they are trying to ribb you off
with tipping. The " manaus girl " asked me to tip the staff which arranges the rooms, I couldn´t see any reason for this and refused. Remembered me of an report a few days before from another guy, who found 100 reals more on his bill as a " tip" without asking before.
I shall not repeat 4x4 on this trip. Fortunately at other termas in the centro the sessions this week were all good or very good, on sunday I shall have a
" takeout " from cancun. Unfortunately these termas are more expensive than 4x4. And I have almost three weeks more in rio.
Lueck Hoff
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It has been few years since the last time for me to visit Rio.
But I found some video clips on YouTube for Help Disco.
You can watch it by clicking on the links below:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt7hx0c0f4w
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INaiwHQcnjs
3-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsz0LA7fVOM
There are many other clips you will find in the related pane on the same page
Enjoy.
Lueck,
I second what Voyager1 said. When I am at 4*4 (or any other terma), I spend at least an hour to get the vibes and feel, before I make my selection. And having a vodka+Red Bull (many of them ask for it now) or a beer or even a water with a girl before the session is a great investment for me. Chemistry is absolutely key! The girls are not f*ck-machines. I get so much more out of the experience when I invest a little time and effort into finding out what makes them tick first. My Porto really sucks, but it does not matter too much, because communication can proceed on my different levels. A smile and friendly attitude can go a very long way.
Tips: I have never seen a tip on my bill that I did not approve beforehand. Often I say R3 to the barkeeper or the waitresses, and they write it on a piece of paper, which I sign. Then, when I check out, I am shown all of these pieces of paper to verify that I really did sign and approve.
But if you really want to swear off 4*4, there are other cheaper options in centro, too. First of all, I would try 502. Last time I was there I spent a total of R112 for 4 beers, a fried chicken dish for dinner, and 30 minutes in the cabina with a very competent provider.
Since most or all of termas in centro are closed on the weekend anyway, you may want to expand you horizons and try Villa Mimosa, too. I tried on my last Rio trip, and it was very interesting. R26 for a 20-minute quickie is an even better price point (note: I am not saying value!) than 502. You may find a gem here. But I personally would not go down on a girl in VM ;).
euro (who envies you for the three additional weeks that you will have in Rio)
Dodger Bulldog
06-23-07, 15:52
I can feel for you, Lueck Hoff.
Hey guys, let's not blame the victim here!
I take exception to the assumption that Lueck Hoff must have done something wrong, and if only he was a better monger these bad sessions would not have happened.
Some girls will say anything to get you into the cabin. Knowing that they already have your money, they feel like they can change the rules and give a lousy performance.
The only terma where this happened to me was also 4 x 4. My hunch is that the other termas won't tolerate complaints, so the girls perform at a top level. But if the management at 4 x 4 is weak enough to let them get away with poor service, some of them will take advantage of the situation.
You can do all the tests you want in the boite, and it may increase the odds of a getting good session, but it is NO guarantee.
Yes, I bought the girl at 4 x 4 a couple Red Bulls, we talked for almost an hour, did some kissing and petting, established exactly what I was expecting, etc. She agreed to everything.
Then once we were in back she changed the deal.
A flirtatious lie is still a lie...
More importantly, I agreed to pay the fee (for a full hour session), which considering what she is being paid, ought to be enough just by itself to guarantee a good session.
After all these are PROFESSIONALS who do this for a living. Let's not excuse a girl for treating a guy badly, and put the blame on him, just because he didn't "romance" her quite to her satisfaction.
A couple hundred reals in this country should be worth a whole lot of "romance."
At the very least, we ought to be able to expect that if a girl doesn't want to do what we ask, she says so up front, instead of lying to us just to get us into the back room.
That should not be tolerated!
Fortunately, my session was just starting when it went sour, so I ended it immediately and went out front to get it cancelled. The girl was shocked that I did not let her get away with her scam.
It probably doesn't happen very often that a guy is willing to walk out and demand that a session be crossed off the books. But one is bound to have more success cutting the losses on the front end, rather than complaining about it later, after having a lousy time.
Admittedly, my experience is limited in that I only went with one girl at 4 x 4, and I only went to the place one time. So I am not making a blanket condemnation of the place, as it is clear from this board that many guys swear by it.
But seeing how Lueck Hoff had similar experiences, there just might be a certain percentage of girls at this terma who expect they can get away with poor service without suffering any consequences.
I think it is important to alert others here so they are aware of that possibility going into the situation.
There are bound to be some exceptions when a guy treats a girl like crap. But 98% of the time the blame for a bad session falls squarely on the girl and the management, not the monger.
DB
Fortunately, my session was just starting when it went sour, so I ended it immediately and went out front to get it cancelled. The girl was shocked that I did not let her get away with her scam.DB
I think this is a good technique when things go wrong - ie act very swiftly and decisively. It saves time, maybe saves money and in some situations ensures safety.
The only comparisons I can think of offhand are once with a girl from Help (ex- Barbarella girl) who wanted paid up front at the apartment, and once with a VM girl who started acting crazy in the cabin. They changed their tune so I changed mine. I told them they were not on, read the riot act, and ended the engagement straight away. I gave the girl in my apartment her taxi fare and told her to get out before I called the police. I gave the VM girl a hard time by walking out while still reading the riot act to anyone who wanted to listen.
My response is a bit like someone who is being nice and friendly to a stranger and then discovers them trying to lift my wallet.
Acting swiftly and decisively can take them by surprise.
(ps I take Euro´s points too, but from a logic p.o.v. once you get trouble it makes no difference what precautions you took to minimize the chances of it happening. I had a girl once who gave me good vibes for an hour of social first, DFK, close-dancing, grope, the works. But back at the apto she changed her tune so I kicked her out. Doesn´t happen often. I guess if I was young, good-looking, rich, fluent portuguese, great forro dancer, - which I´m not - as well as genuinely liking women and setting out to give them a good time - which I do - then it would happen even less.)
Lueck Hoff
06-23-07, 18:46
At first, thanks to all these posts, especially to Dodger Bulldog.
The main purpose of my report was to give a warning to the other guys here on the board that there is some risk for getting bad service at a terma even in the centro area of Rio.
In fact, before yesterday I had never received such a bad service at a terma in Rio at all. It is my second trip to Rio, the fourth trip to latinamerica. So I doubt whether this can be explained as an issue of bad or good mongering. On my first trip to Rio, 4x4 had been one of my favorite spots.
I think, that because of this I wasn't really concerned about getting a bad performance, and that turned out to be a mistake.
As always. After you have got a bad service you will remember that there have been some red flags. The " lubrificado " girl spoke some english, she was in a hurry to get me to the room (why wait. I want you and you want me ") and the story of the tipping had been already told. But the situatin wasn't that clear, because there were also some good signs (passionate kissing, very friendly, promised " todo ").
After all, it was advantageous for the " lubrificado " girl that I saw only a few really good looking girls at 4x4, and she was one of them. So it was not easy for me to be that sceptical about her.
For me it makes no sense to travel half around the world to fuck some average looking girls, whom I can have at home three times a day without any problem (p4p of course, I am from europe). But than your options are limited here.
So, that is it for now. A lot more things to do in Rio. I would like to go to the new stadium " Joao Havelange " for the first soccer game next Saturday. Does anybody knows whether there is a chance to get good tickets for this event?
Lueck Hoff
Just a note: I apologize if there are some mistakes in my post, but english is not my first language.
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OK, reading my post with Dodger Bulldog's remarks in mind, I agree that it can look like I was trying to blame the victim. But I real was not trying to do that. ... just trying to point out some ways to increase the odds of having a good experience. I have had a couple of occasions, too, where I followed my own advice, and then still got shitty service. (Never in Brazil, but a couple of times in Mexico and in Germany).
euro
My main wish for Lueck Huff is for him to have as much fun as time allows without narrowing his options. Anytime I hear someone with a bad experience, I wish I was there to provide some pointers to help him get back on the horse. I think having 50 to 100 options (As in 4 X 4), receiving bad service in back to back bad sessions, though, not impossible, has to be the exception rather than the rule. Yes, it is impossible to tell a liar when in the acquisition mode, but it is always a good rule of thumb to try and establish some kind, ANY kind of rapport before entering the cabine with a provider. Sometimes, heck, have them give you a sample before entering the cabine; after all, this is Brazil ;-). However, do not take what I say as gospel, it is just the opinion of one person, me. My hope is for everyone to get their money's worth out of any encounter they have, regardless of cost. Above all, have a great time in the land of bundas...
OK, reading my post with Dodger Bulldog's remarks in mind, I agree that it can look like I was trying to blame the victim. But I real was not trying to do that. ... just trying to point out some ways to increase the odds of having a good experience. I have had a couple of occasions, too, where I followed my own advice, and then still got shitty service. (Never in Brazil, but a couple of times in Mexico and in Germany).
euro
Gentlemen!
I saw a guy in a biker bar called Heavy Duty on Rua Ceara. He was there messing with the girls. I have nothing against that somebody gets laid, but a word of advise is in place here.
Even though the Heavy Duty is near the Villa Mimosa it is NOT villa mimosa. There is no working girls in that bar and actually someone might get in real trouble if someone is trying to fuck around a wrong girl.
I trust that no-one would go to a bar that is frequented, not to mention owned by bikers who don´t want anyone mess with their girls.
So please remember that Villa Mimosa is back there, actually only Rua Solteiro dos Reis is VM and rest not. Keep the activities there and be safe.
If you want to hear good rock music and enjoy motorcyles please do visit Heavy Duty in Rua Ceara.
Dodger Bulldog
06-24-07, 07:39
Some more catch up from my recent trip:
I was surprised that the taxista did not know where Luomos is. Fortunately I had noted that it is next to the Metro stop at Rua Siqueira Campos, so he was able to get me there without a problem.
I am quite taken by the idea of a terma in a shopping center! This is proof that we could tuck one in the mall between Starbucks and Macy's, and despite what the fundamentalists think, society would not crumble. I love it.
Luomos has a different vibe than the two termas I visited previously, Solarium and Monte Carlo. Rather than a woodgrain, more classic presentation, Luomos has modern decor. I liked that everything is on one floor.
It was not too busy on a Tuesday night. All of the girls were decent looking, but two were far better than the rest. Of the two, Jazmin (I think that's what she said) stood out with her energy, dancing, and flirting.
She says she is 19 which is probably correct. She knows she is hot as hell and isn't afraid to use this to her advantage.
Jazmin likes to go into the sauna together before the session, where she gives a sample of what is to come.
Back in the cabin, she made an intersting comment: "Now I owe you 40 minutes."
I have no complaints, but I probably would not repeat with her.
At my advanced age, I prefer it to be slow and sensual, lingering a bit on each plateau while building to the climax. Jazmin's style in bed is much too rapid-fire and slam bam for my taste.
But if that is your thing, this hottie won't disappoint you.
DB
Lueck Hoff - I have been fortunate to have had great experiences at 4x4. Yes, I do tip the old lady(tia) in the VIP locker and the ladies at the check-in desk for the cabins. I often tip them with a dollar or two, however, I do take care of tia the most.
Tia often advises me with garota intel, and instructs other workers to be sure I am looked after well. I will not go into great detail of the benefits received, as this is a public forum, however, you will benefit from such a small investment. However, I do agree that you should not be forced and/or requested for such gratuities.
What problems I have encountered inside 4x4 have been with Brasilian men. Often, young, and in a drunken stupor, they have a tendency to try and fight me. This has happened two or three times in the years I have been frequenting the establishment. And, all of those encounters were resolved by the the attacker's friends(with common sense) pulling him away from the possible conflict. At times, I really wanted pull out their throats or remove their eyes, however, I restrained myself. One day, they will be put in their place for their aggressive ,and senseless, behavior.
Wanderer1000
06-24-07, 22:39
I was with DB at his only trip to 4x4, and I felt bad for him when I heard what happened. The girl he is talking about is Jackie. If you check my picture post at the beginning of April, you´ll see she´s the thin one in the picture. Her sister Ojana (both had the same mother) is the other one. This was a threesome I did.
Jackie seemed fine in the threesome, but then I have a great connection with Ojana and she led the charge most of the time. I´ve sessioned with Ojana four times in the last week and a half, so we get along great.
I told her about DB´s experience when he told me what happened. Jackie wasn´t looking happy the rest of the evening when I´d see her, and Ojana didn´t have much to say to me about it. DB had his eye on her and I did encourage him to go with her, so I feel bad about that. I obviously wouldn´t recommend her again. But I´d definitely recommend her sister Ojana.
I was hanging out a lot with another guy this week at 4x4, and he said his session with her was pretty average - not a repeat. It was also his impression that she didn´t seem to get much business, or repeat business. But then a few days ago, a Canadian guy sat down next to us and said he had just sessioned with Jackie. He thought he had a really good session. So, whatever - YMMV.
One word of caution on these two - they are drink sluts. They will always try and hit you up for Red Bulls. I put an end to that with Ojana the last three sessions. She´s now restricted to the suco uva with me. :)
Dodger Bulldog
06-25-07, 02:14
Hey Jak, thanks for your support.
It was no big loss, really. As you know, it was my last day in Rio and my cock was about ready to fall off after three weeks of nonstop action. It is just now starting to recover.
I am sure that if I had visited 4 x 4 at the beginning of my trip instead of the end, things might have looked a whole lot different to me! I felt like I was trying to stuff in one more helping of dessert after bloating myself at a Thanksgiving feast. That it didn't go down was not a big deal.
I am pleased to hear that you are enjoying yourself immensely! Besides the chicas and garotas we meet pursuing our hobby, I enjoy making good friends like you.
People back home are incredulous when I tell them that I have a friend from Santa Cruz wants me to go with him to SE Asia next summer, and another friend living in Italy who said he will show me around Russia, and yet a third who is trying to get me to visit Peru with him over Christmas.
They are at a total loss to understand how I have acquired such a collection of wordly friends who I can count on.
DB
Pipe Layer99
06-25-07, 03:36
What was the price to take her out of Franks?
and how much did she get for her services?
Frank's...............
Luciana is very special girl!............
DB
Dodger Bulldog
06-25-07, 05:28
What was the price to take her out of Franks?
and how much did she get for her services?This has been covered in my other posts, but I'll put it all together so it's easy to find:
Entrance fee/minimum 2 drinks = R30
One chica drink as salido = R30
Negotiated price with girl = R200
Total damages = R260 (Club R60, Girl R200)
Time = Approximately 3 hours (she left around 6 AM)
Pops = Two
Hope this helps!
DB
200R = $102USD. Is that the going rate? I was thinking of Brazil, But $15 entrance, $15 salida/Lady Drink. Can someone comment on price structure in RIO. Add flight price, time of flight , and crime level, I'm looking for the reason to go. Which I know I must. A little help here please.
THANKS!
200R = $102USD. Is that the going rate? I was thinking of Brazil, But $15 entrance, $15 salida/Lady Drink. Can someone comment on price structure in RIO. Add flight price, time of flight , and crime level, I'm looking for the reason to go. Which I know I must. A little help here please.
THANKS!
... but here it goes anyway:
20 minute session in VM: R26
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=607717
quality 30-mute session in 502: R82
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502251
TLN with GFE after take-home from L'uomo: priceless
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=608496
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=608495
(If this does not convince you, then you are not made for Rio ;))
200R = $102USD. Is that the going rate? I was thinking of Brazil, But $15 entrance, $15 salida/Lady Drink. Can someone comment on price structure in RIO. Add flight price, time of flight , and crime level, I'm looking for the reason to go. Which I know I must. A little help here please.
THANKS!
Also priceless:
565336
Polvo
So we ended up going to Buenos Aires 85, which has been mentioned in this forum quite a few times. I have been here before a couple of times during all my visits to Rio. But it was always earlier in the day, not this late( around 6:15pm), and I think they close shop around 7 to 7:30pm. As I went up the 1st, 2nd, and then the 3rd floor, one particular dark haired blonde with a nice slim body, tight little ass with a great smile was outside the bar area having a drink. I began to chat, she introduced me to her mulata friend, which was a hot little firecracker. We chatted for about 10 minutes and we were off to the cabina for 30 minutes, and my friend was off with the other for the same amount of time. I ended up paying 30r for the 30 minutes, including the cabina. Fresh towel, and sheets looked pretty darn clean, and they have a shower all the way in the back. The cabinas are lined up side by side, and there is ac in this area.
Quite remarkable the difference in cabin standards. Compared with Mangera´s excellent description above, note that the second floor cabins are the pits. Every one I have been in has had cracked plastic beds, no offer of a sheet. (I have used my shirt for the garota to lie to ease my conscience). Some of the cabins don´t even have a proper door, just a piece of door sectioning them off. Just today I asked a girl I´ve known for a while why she moved from upstairs to the 2nd floor. You can probably guess. The middle floor might be sh*tty but it has a very fast turn-over. Lowest prices and more slim garotas than the other two (at least the times I´ve visited). But for more than a one-off I don´t find it much fun. I used to have a good laugh with this girl - the atmosphere upstairs was fun. Now she is there to work - she does it with a smile but I think a spark maybe left when she left the better floor.
Mr Enternational
06-29-07, 06:37
You forgot to mention that there is no A/C on the second floor and that the cabinas are chocked full of roaches. And I have yet to figure out why the MP/Help girls who I know that work in 85 only work the second floor. Maybe it is what you said about the turnover. But I personally prefer the first or third floor over the loud music and sweatbox which is the second floor.
Quite remarkable the difference in cabin standards. Compared with Mangera´s excellent description above, note that the second floor cabins are the pits. Every one I have been in has had cracked plastic beds, no offer of a sheet.Some of the cabins don´t even have a proper door, just a piece of door sectioning them off.
Before all the Rumors start to Fly....
I am closing our office on Xavier da Silveria.
“I'M NOT GOING OUT OF BUSINESS”…. www.ez-riorentals.com is still open...
The shop was just sublet to another person and told me today he wants to double my rent. I told him to shove it !!! I was doing business in Rio long before his place was even open and I will be doing business in Rio long after he goes under because he has no business sense. I’m pissed off, because now I have to deal with the phone company, the internet company, the elect. company and other agencies here to change things back the way they were 9 months ago…. and for those that know, they are a “pain in the ass” to deal with……
Everything will remain the same with the apartment rentals. We’ll just be back to a full internet based business again. The shit never ends, does it ???
The shop was just sublet to another person and told me today he wants to double my rent. I told him to shove it !!! I was doing business in Rio long before his place was even open and I will be doing business in Rio long after he goes under because he has no business sense.
As much as I love to live in Brasil, I must agree with you. These people have no sense of fuckin´anything. They think that we are SO rich that they can do just about anything to get our money.
I been trying to rent a shop in my building, but the owner rather keeps it empty than rents it out with the price I´m willing to pay. Its been like this at least a year (don´t know how much longer its been empty). He hasn´t been making any money with this property. With me he´d get some... but no.
I’m pissed off, because now I have to deal with the phone company, the internet company, the elect. company and other agencies here to change things back the way they were 9 months ago…. and for those that know, they are a “pain in the ass” to deal with……
???
I feel your pain. Trying to move ANYTHING here is a pain in the ass.
Good luck and patience.
P
Perkele.... Can you believe some of these assholes. He actually told me he wanted me to stay until he found someone willing to pay him the rent he wants from me. I told him that since there was no way I was willing to pay him anymore rent, I see no reason to stay any longer than another week. Lets see how he likes losing my rent until he finds some idiot willing to pay him what he wants......
I believe you about the fool that owns the store in your building. I completely understand why Brazil will never be a real 1ST world country.
you forgot to mention that there is no a/c on the second floor and that the cabinas are chocked full of roaches. and i have yet to figure out why the mp/help girls who i know that work in 85 only work the second floor. maybe it is what you said about the turnover. but i personally prefer the first or third floor over the loud music and sweatbox which is the second floor.
yeah <g> i forgot to say there are no properly serviced soap dispensers in the gentlemen´s banheiros either - though as there´s no soap dispensers or loos it maybe isn´t a big problem. if it was just that, i would go there and then go downstairs (rather than four by four) for a shower, but apart from the very uncomfortable beds i just feel there is a lack of fun in the place and will probably explain that to the girl there i´ve known for a two or three years. beyond simple rutting, a hint of civilised surrounding (like something to do it on that doesn´t scrape your skin off) is needed to bring the best out of the more talented girls.
Before all the Rumors start to Fly....
I am closing our office on Xavier da Silveria.
“I'M NOT GOING OUT OF BUSINESS”…. www.ez-riorentals.com is still open...
The shop was just sublet to another person and told me today he wants to double my rent. I told him to shove it !!! I was doing business in Rio long before his place was even open and I will be doing business in Rio long after he goes under because he has no business sense. I’m pissed off, because now I have to deal with the phone company, the internet company, the elect. company and other agencies here to change things back the way they were 9 months ago…. and for those that know, they are a “pain in the ass” to deal with……
Everything will remain the same with the apartment rentals. We’ll just be back to a full internet based business again. The shit never ends, does it ???
Good luck Kenn. I think I remember renting from you many years ago on my first trip to Rio.
Perkele.... Can you believe some of these assholes. He actually told me he wanted me to stay until he found someone willing to pay him the rent he wants from me. I told him that since there was no way I was willing to pay him anymore rent, I see no reason to stay any longer than another week. Lets see how he likes losing my rent until he finds some idiot willing to pay him what he wants......
I believe you about the fool that owns the store in your building. I completely understand why Brazil will never be a real 1ST world country.
Well, if you thought the location was good for business you really could have stayed until he found an idiot to pay his price which could have taken forever.
If Bobby doesn't return you could always make an enquiry to take over that shop, would increase your customers, solve your problem in not having a shop front and thirdly, give Bobby the shits big time..............
I have rented maybe 10 times from Kenn, always excellent service.
Perkele.... Can you believe some of these assholes. He actually told me he wanted me to stay until he found someone willing to pay him the rent he wants from me. I told him that since there was no way I was willing to pay him anymore rent, I see no reason to stay any longer than another week. Lets see how he likes losing my rent until he finds some idiot willing to pay him what he wants......
I believe you about the fool that owns the store in your building. I completely understand why Brazil will never be a real 1ST world country.
Yes I can. Actually this kind of thing has happened to me too, only in apartment market. Guy wanted to raise the rent and I took off. He insisted that I have to pay raised rent until somebody else vacates the apartment... I couldn´t understand the logic behind his request and just left.
I can understand that when there is HIGH demand of product/service the price goes up, but I fail to understand when there is no demand what so ever that the price doesn´t come down.
As I said I love to live in Brasil, but these fuckers rather starve to death than listen the voice of reason.
Surprisingly I had two sessions at terma 4x4 the last days, which turned out not to be good.
Another thing which I don´t like at 4x4 is that they are trying to ribb you off
with tipping. The " manaus girl " asked me to tip the staff which arranges the rooms, I couldn´t see any reason for this and refused. This is strange. I have never had a girl ask me to add a tip to the staff. I do not even know how one would do that. Although the girls that check you into the rooms asked me for a tip when I went by their desk to check the clock. I just laughed but this is annoying.
I was with DB at his only trip to 4x4, and I felt bad for him when I heard what happened. The girl he is talking about is Jackie. If you check my picture post at the beginning of April, you´ll see she´s the thin one in the picture. Her sister Ojana (both had the same mother) is the other one. This was a threesome I did.
Jackie seemed fine in the threesome, but then I have a great connection with Ojana and she led the charge most of the time. I´ve sessioned with Ojana four times in the last week and a half, so we get along great.
I told her about DB´s experience when he told me what happened. Jackie wasn´t looking happy the rest of the evening when I´d see her, and Ojana didn´t have much to say to me about it. DB had his eye on her and I did encourage him to go with her, so I feel bad about that. I obviously wouldn´t recommend her again. But I´d definitely recommend her sister Ojana.
I was hanging out a lot with another guy this week at 4x4, and he said his session with her was pretty average - not a repeat. It was also his impression that she didn´t seem to get much business, or repeat business. But then a few days ago, a Canadian guy sat down next to us and said he had just sessioned with Jackie. He thought he had a really good session. So, whatever - YMMV.
One word of caution on these two - they are drink sluts. They will always try and hit you up for Red Bulls. I put an end to that with Ojana the last three sessions. She´s now restricted to the suco uva with me. :)I was that other guy that said the session with Jackie was just average and she did not get a lot of repeats. Actually it was another garota that told me she never gets repeat business so take that comment with a grain of salt. What I didn't like about Jackie was that she had a lot of rules. It could have just been with me though. Talking to the Canadian, he had a different cabine agenda than I did so maybe her rules didn't matter.
And drink sluts really annoy me. I try to just say "no".
Well, if you thought the location was good for business you really could have stayed until he found an idiot to pay his price which could have taken forever.
I think Kenn meant that he wanted him to stay on at the increased rate, which Kenn was unwilling to do.
He actually wanted me to pay 50% more while he looked for an idiot to give him 100% more. To me, the location was only worth what I was paying him, no more. I decided that if he was pulling this kind of crap, I did not trust him to give me enough notice to move when he found someone to pay his price. I did not want to have to move everything in 24 hours or less, so I am leaving this week.
You can still contact us at 877-746-5366, or 954-681-4316 phone numbers.
I was that other guy that said the session with Jackie was just average and she did not get a lot of repeats. Actually it was another garota that told me she never gets repeat business so take that comment with a grain of salt. What I didn't like about Jackie was that she had a lot of rules. It could have just been with me though. Talking to the Canadian, he had a different cabine agenda than I did so maybe her rules didn't matter.
And drink sluts really annoy me. I try to just say "no".Actually, I know several guys who repeat with Jackie regularly and think she's wonderful. YMMV--with ANY girl.
If Bobby doesn't return you could always make an enquiry to take over that shop, would increase your customers, solve your problem in not having a shop front and thirdly, give Bobby the shits big time..............
I have rented maybe 10 times from Kenn, always excellent service.Word on the street--from one of Bobby's former employees--is that Bobby IS back in Rio, but that he is turning his store into a laundromat, as he is not allowed to reopen BlameItOnRio4Travel, or any related business...
I imagine he will still be renting apartments on the sly--pitching them over the noise of industrial sized driers or something.
That's the gossip, anyway.
Dodger Bulldog
07-01-07, 21:41
I was that other guy that said the session with Jackie was just average and she did not get a lot of repeats. Actually it was another garota that told me she never gets repeat business so take that comment with a grain of salt. What I didn't like about Jackie was that she had a lot of rules. It could have just been with me though. Talking to the Canadian, he had a different cabine agenda than I did so maybe her rules didn't matter.
And drink sluts really annoy me. I try to just say "no".It's not just you, Edward, it's her.
She agreed to everything that I asked in the boite, then changed to her own set of rules in the cabin.
So I walked out and had the session crossed off the books.
For the rest of you, forewarned is forearmed.
DB
Can anyone recommend a hotel or motel similar in quality to Sinless in the Centro area, but specifically close to the Uruguaina Metro station. Or one that is located close to the Flamengo Metro station.
"Close", meaning with in walking distance. I know of a few, but I have not used their establishments. So please comment if you have actually used the place for a few hours of fun. Thanks!
It's not just you, Edward, it's her.
She agreed to everything that I asked in the boite, then changed to her own set of rules in the cabin.
So I walked out and had the session crossed off the books.
For the rest of you, forewarned is forearmed.
DBThat sucks. If you don't mind me asking, what exactly did she renege on?
When I was with her she told me before hand: no anal, no CIM, no photo with face (because of her fiance (this was in January, when I saw her in June she no longer had the tiny diamond ring on))
Jim Norton and Patrice O'Neal are American comedians famous for describing their love for GDP (more so Patrice than Jim) although I do not think either has been to Rio for a while. Anybody ever see them or other celebs hitting the termas?
Note I do not want to invade anyone's privacy but I have heard Jim and Patrice talking about GDP in Rio on nationally sindicated radio programs so I think it is ok to mention them by name.
what do you do when you luck-out at nogueira?
last night was very busy. reasonable number of hotties, but high level of well-heeled young guys as well. my regular gfe shares a knowing wink with me after a quick kiss – she is out to cache some of the high payers who will dole out three times what i pay her. and for less than a quarter of the time. great watching her work. she doesn’t drink so can operate with a warmth backed up by precision that most of the girls lack. and she looks stunning. yet it still takes her half an hour. a bit later i check out with a young cutie. she is so sweet and has an´innocent´ style – the way out of town girls sometimes are. but back at the apartment alarm bell one goes as she asks for a red bull. i give her one and start giving her a back rub. but right then asks for money up front. i stand up, throw her 20r for a taxi and tell her to clear off. she backtracks and says let’s be friends and i tell her fine, and hurry up and go.
but back at nogueira the chairs are on the tables. drat! round to rana´s. several of the nog dregs are lapping up the skol (only large cans available but then again only 3r). but it looks like a scene from a tarantino movie. there’s the character (man? woman? i can never remember which) dressed with beads and bands and weirdo garb as if just wandering out of the jungle. there’s an overly aggressive woman that my friend assures me has not got a penis. there’s a refined, sophisticated woman (we are talking by 5am+ standards in prado) who speaks good english and would be my first choice except she is a little older than i usually go for. she seems out of place but no doubt wants to keep working. there’s a crazy neighbour from a couple of years ago. she always comes on to me and scares other girls off by making out she’s invested time (which she hasn’t – i always get away from her as fast as i can). there are a couple of soft-featured guys who look just too keen to make eye-contact for my heterosexual liking. a blonde who looked gorgeous in nogueira looks hard-bitten in daylight. i am settling on a girl who dances fantastic samba, white tights, and great tits that occasionally need assistance to pop back into the skimpy top. she is very good looking, by any light. only downside is she has been up all night perhaps. make-up still perfect but there are several beer marks on the white tights. i figure maybe get her in the back door of the apartment to save face.
there is a hiatus of about half an hour which is an almost-lock-in. the shutters go down, leaving just a small opening of a door, which one customer makes a hurried dash for. a good looking blonde is ostentatiously introducing some substances into her arm. a bit later the shutters are up again but we are getting encouraged to drink up – owner wants to go home.
everyone re-locates next door. (the bar next to rana´s that has no name over it.) a brasilian monger is getting friendly with the sophisticated lady. everyone seems to know him. soon i find myself getting into a car with them and girl-in-tights. how much has he been drinking? i don’t know. i figure the car is far to expensive for him to risk scratching it. our attention is distracted by a flagelinha (car park spaces boy) who is furious that the driver is determined to leave without paying ( a common brasilian confrontation). we cruise slowly round the block. i haven’t followed the whole exchange. i figure i don’t have much on me to steal. i don’t mind a foursome. but we get back to the same spot and double park. white tights explains that he mostly wants her, she doesn’t want him, and let’s go to her flat.
we get to her place. it is right opposite. i need a [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134). she beats me to it. i stand waiting for her to finish. she laughs. each time she seems to finish it is as if there are a few more pints of skol suddenly discovered for recycling. as i finally get my turn i notice numerous pieces of charred silver paper in the waste bin. through to her bedroom. she is just sober enough and will be thoroughly good-looking once she gets the splattered tights completely off. then it comes again. a request for money up front. i can’t believe it! twice in one night! at least this one doesn’t cost me a taxi. i go back across the street. gloss over nicely for white-tights´ best pal. i am now one of those reprobates i would normally give a wide berth to on the way back from the shops, still drinking at 9.30am. i disappear up the road to a less obvious bar with my friend, a great girl i have sha**ed a couple of times but is more of a mate than anything else – a sort of f*ck-buddy. chicken and potato breakfast, plus some cake, and back to mine. to sleep. wake up mid afternoon. a sh*g seems the best way to wake up, so we do that.
remember that at the last venue we had quizzed some other locals.
the name of the bar with no name over it is gato de prado – prado´s cat.
I was that other guy that said the session with Jackie was just average and she did not get a lot of repeats. Actually it was another garota that told me she never gets repeat business so take that comment with a grain of salt. What I didn't like about Jackie was that she had a lot of rules. It could have just been with me though.As always it depends on the chemistry with the girl. I was there 2 weeks ago with a friend who sessioned with Jackie and described it as "excellent" and "anything goes". He's worked and lived in Rio for 6 years rather than a wide-eyed newbie so has plenty of yardsticks to judge her by.
That same night I turned down Angelica a good looking blonde with a great body as I didn't like her personality and she insisted on speaking English. I've no doubt she would have been a poor session for me although others here may have had a great time with her.
Unfortunately, she is gorgeous and any guy that hasn't been with her before will go for it once she gets her hands on his **ck. She's all flash and no heart.
Dodger Bulldog
07-02-07, 03:01
He's worked and lived in Rio for 6 years rather than a wide-eyed newbie so has plenty of yardsticks to judge her by.It is perfectly appropriate to state that your friend gave an excellent report on Jackie. People deserve to hear more than one side and are entitled to use all information to make up their own mind.
Each person can decide for himself it sounds like she is someone worthwhile to consider investing a hundred dollars or more. Especially in light of the fact that there are hundreds of other choices who are readily available.
When someone says "YMMV" it is helpful to know just how wide that variance might really be. It is hardly a valid excuse for a girl to give shitty service, even if she only does it every now and then.
For Edward M, and me, and the next guy who gets caught on the downside of that performance curve, it doesn't help at all that someone else had a good time a couple weeks ago, does it?
Nonetheless, to try to embellish your point by making an ad hominem attack on a "wide-eyed newbie" is questionable. It isn't necessary to attack someone else's credibility to make your own point.
You make it sound that if only I had more experience, I would have found her rules and her lies to be "excellent, anything goes," sexy blissfullness. I apologize that they didn't do the trick for me.
I guess I'm just too naive to know what is good for me.
Even though you have about as many reports to your name as the number of countries I have had experience in, I don't think it should reflect on your friend's information. He has his yardsticks and I have mine. Although, you may want to reconsider who you call a "wide-eyed newbie."
I have a friend who told me he doesn't bother reading ISG any more because it has degenerated into a series of personal attacks, instead of providing much solid information. Unfortunately, I had to admit he has a point.
DB
I find it wierd that the girls that want you to pay upfront, and you say NO, that they would rather just not have a session and leave with no money, instead of giving a great session and getting some money. Is it common for guys to be ripping these girls off recently, and that is why they want the money up front? Because we all know that the girls will be quick to not give a good session if they already have the cash. At least the odds will be against the guy of getting his money worth.
Chris H
I find it wierd that the girls that want you to pay upfront, and you say NO, that they would rather just not have a session and leave with no money, instead of giving a great session and getting some money. Is it common for guys to be ripping these girls off recently, and that is why they want the money up front? Because we all know that the girls will be quick to not give a good session if they already have the cash. At least the odds will be against the guy of getting his money worth.
Chris H
Hi Chris - if there is any connection betwen your question and my recent post, I should point out that the place I was reporting on might equally be called ScumBagCity - so there is simply a higher proportion of nutters, druggies etc there, even if some of them are lookers and some of them are neither drugis or nutters. I wouldn´t infer anything statistically from it.
If a girl asks for money up front there´s a choice. You can negotiate hard (the Dodger philosophy lol), you can smooth-talk ´em (the Enternational philosophy), or you can just tell ´em to f*ck off.
I think it´s finding what suit you best and what you feel like in the situation. Dodger has a very different style to me but he´s a smart cookie. Enternational could melt the hind legs off an arctic polar bear. I have a go at either of these approaches when I am in the mood, but I think, on average, a girl who asks for money up front, is not the kind of girl I am going to get a good session with unless I want to go through a lot of hassle and even then it might be a throw of the dice. I had had a few beers and just wanted to cut the cr*p. I did have second thoughts about the second girl (girl in tights), especially as she was pleading with me to stay - maybe I should have given her time to change her mind (this often works).
(NB Dodger and Enternational, all respect and excuse me for over-simplifying some of your more refined tactics lol!)
I am sure I saw some posts somewhere on Vitoria (Espiritos Santos) with details of monger joints but can´t find thm using search. Anyone details please? (1st hand or second hand). Otherwise I just get sore feet walking the docks or pi**ing off taxi drivers.
Don´t think I´ll make Fortaleza for a few months yet - but top of list for later in the year.
i am sure i saw some posts somewhere on vitoria (espiritos santos) with details of monger joints but can´t find thm using search. anyone details please? (1st hand or second hand). otherwise i just get sore feet walking the docks or pi**ing off taxi drivers.
don´t think i´ll make fortaleza for a few months yet - but top of list for later in the year.
was there 4 years ago for 3 days on my way to porto seguro by car. stayed on the beach front on a business like gf hotel infront of some short of a "triangle area" full of bars and restaurants. a taxi driver took us to an upscale boite near by. i think its name was mensclub or something like that.
it was a house with garden infront with lots of nice girls that were dance stripping for 30r. take out was 250r at the time. another night another taxidriver took to an other boite for seamen. lots of veteranas there.
further down on the beach road we could find many sw and a motel on the far side of the road. price was 50r.
on a friday and saturday night we hit a place called "maxiplace". it was a large complex of discos,bars and restaurants. fantastic freebies there if you have the looks and speek the language. check it out anyway
i'm sorry that i can not remember more specific info. a taxi driver can help you more.
el greco
I am sure I saw some posts somewhere on Vitoria (Espiritos Santos) with details of monger joints but can´t find thm using search. Anyone details please? (1st hand or second hand). Otherwise I just get sore feet walking the docks or pi**ing off taxi drivers.
Don´t think I´ll make Fortaleza for a few months yet - but top of list for later in the year.
Very nice city with mongering to be done as all of Brazil
Free lancers on the net : www.ilhadoprazer.com.br
Boites: Playman www.playman.com.br
Stardrink www.stardrink.com.br
There are more places these are the most famous ones anymore info let me know by PM
Very nice city with mongering to be done as all of Brazil
Free lancers on the net : www.ilhadoprazer.com.br
Boites: Playman www.playman.com.br
Stardrink www.stardrink.com.br
There are more places these are the most famous ones anymore info let me know by PM
Thanks, Brugal. Have PM´d you. Then I also found an excellent post by Spidy but this only showed up when I searched with Victoria as a keyword rather than Vitoria (not surprising maybe when most people on the Forum spell Brasil with a ´z´ lol).
Quick visit to the 3rd (top) floor today. Haven’t visited for about a year. Mangera has covered most of it (see his excellent post below) so all I can do is mostly agree with his opinion on this occasion.
I was in no mood for the grotty cabins of the 2nd floor and told my fave 2nd floor girl so. The girls on the 1st floor were a little hefty for my liking. But on the third floor there were some possibilities. I sat down with a coke to enjoy the vibe, eyeing a lovely slim blonde drinking and chatting to a guy opposite. When she comes back with more drinks for them I figure she is occupied and start to go, but she comes after me and says she´s free. The guy was perfectly cool - I guess they were chatting after the deed - which is another plus point for the garota in my books.
The cabins haven´t changed from when I was there last time. They looked slightly cleaner and tidier but that could just be the time of day. In contrast to the 2nd floor, the atmosphere was chilled, relaxed and a lot more civilised. Both the bar and the cabins are well-lit so you can see what you are getting. And all at almost the same price as the sh*t hole below (top floor is 1R a minute - middle floor is 15R for 20mins).
I undressed slowly as my garota went to do whatever preliminaries or bookkeeping they do. Nice cool fans or air-con without the butt-freezing temperatures common in top termas. Pink ceiling might have been fairly freshly painted. The flyer suggests it is a casa with a difference. Comfortable for a start (both the bar and the cabins). And an hourly strip show. My cabin had some small shelves where I could put things. I spotted 2 small roaches on the floor but having lived in Sydney they were hardly anything to write home about.* (Just shake your shoes before putting them on again guys haha!) Toilet and bathroom at the back. You need your own towel but the whole place is perfectly clean for a mid-range place (and this only claims to be bottom end on prices). And well-lit.
N---- returns. Tall, slim, blonde and fairly branca. Yes please! And did I mention that she has inner muscles that can exert a beautifully vice-like grip - try with a finger first and check that all the digits are still there when you retrieve it.
Afterwards, N---- volunteered her phone number. I will probably be calling :-)
NB: As a footnote to those of you eager (haha) to get your reports in while they are fresh and tasty(!) - you can do a lot worse than try the pristine Cafe Rouge almost next door at BA 93. As well as internet facilities, they have very nice Sucos, have a nice hygeinic feel, and boast Hagen Das (now combining that with top floor at 85 would be a nice idea . . .) And the waitress is divine. I want to order something else just to get her to lean over again . . .
*The difference with the roaches on the 2nd floor is that, as the establishment doesn´t waste money on light bulbs, you can´t see them so well.
Has anyone ever met Natasha and Aninha in these movies in RIO? I'm trying to see them on my next trip. Any tips on where they can be found? Termas or Club help?
no prob sprite13, i don't think you would need to go with a local if you speak portuguese, but i highly suggest it if you don't. i went with my local girl who lives about 15-20mins from there, we drove, found parking and bam went right in 10r, but they have seperate entrances for male and females, they do the whole search thing to confirep001e cameras and such which they'll give back at the end of the night when you leave.
once in you just have to remember you are not at help and these girls are tru carioca's and are there to have a great time just respect the ones that are there with their boyfriends, and you'll search and see these girls out there in packs just shaking that wonderful brazilian bunda all over the place!
remember too that most of these girls have never seen real americans, outside of television! so if you speak the language you will go alot further, and man they get nice and full on drinking!
i never once felt i was in any danger inside or outside of the place, either at olimpo or via show, it's just that via show is just like going to a concert 8000 people dude!
sprite13 as with anywhere you travel to we all have to proceed with cation but i don't see you having any problems, the distance from copa to olimpo is about 45min just to give you a scope on how big rio actually is, i'd set a price with the taxi driver if you are traveling from copa or impa they will do that, it should be no more than 55r.
enjoy sprite13, any questions bro just hit me up, you i think after you go you will appreciate the beauty of brazilian women a hell of alot more.
thanks for the reply and feedback riofavelaboy. sorry for the delay in answering, i just saw this post today. but thanks anyways!:)
Nonetheless, to try to embellish your point by making an ad hominem attack on a "wide-eyed newbie" is questionable. It isn't necessary to attack someone else's credibility to make your own point.
You make it sound that if only I had more experience, I would have found her rules and her lies to be "excellent, anything goes," sexy blissfullness. I apologize that they didn't do the trick for me.
I guess I'm just too naive to know what is good for me.
Even though you have about as many reports to your name as the number of countries I have had experience in, I don't think it should reflect on your friend's information. He has his yardsticks and I have mine. Although, you may want to reconsider who you call a "wide-eyed newbie."
One can only hope you're more adept at reading Termas garotas than the intent of my posts, otherwise you'll experience a lot more time on the downside of the performance curve. Given the diplomatic nature of my post it's pretty amazing you managed to interpret it as an attack on you particularly given I neither quoted nor mentioned you. Perhaps you just feel a need to live up to your Bulldog moniker. FWIW I mentioned that he wasn't a wide-eyed newbie to highlight the fact that his "excellent" rating was not borne out of the wonderment that many visitors to Brasil experience on their first trip to a Termas.
Frankly I really don't know or care if it was your first time in Rio or how many countries you've visited. One would have assumed that you'd have at least learnt on your purported travels that quantity does not equate to quality.
I met a girl at L'Uomo at the end of June 2006 named Bruna. She was dark and very hot to trot. I was walking past the garota locker room when she (while wearing a robe about to take a client to the cabine) offered me a breast to suck on. She was super hot and I wanted to get some but she was already going with a client. It was my last day so I did not get a chance. When I came back in September 2006 they said she was gone. I think she was only there for a month or two before June. Note that this is not the brown-skinned Bruna from L'Uomo that went to Solarium some time between April and June 2006.
Does anybody have any idea who I am talking about and if she is working in a house now? I would like to get some of that on my next trip.
Very nice city with mongering to be done as all of Brazil
Free lancers on the net : www.ilhadoprazer.com.br
Boites: Playman www.playman.com.br
Stardrink www.stardrink.com.br
There are more places these are the most famous ones anymore info let me know by PM
I used to work out of Vitoria. The boites weren't that great, as well as playmans there was the A1 and some place with a Roman sounding name, but they all seemed to be rip off places, always had to keep an eye on the bill. There was a proper disco called Swingers where you could pull if you could speak a bit of Portugese. The beach at Camburi was always swarming with girls, the Batman quiosque always had a group of them. It's a bit like Rio in minature.
I went to a couple of good casas there with a Brasilian friend. They were private houses with 5 or 6 girls in, strictly a locals and friends scene, you had to be in the know, there was never any advertising of them. Not very informative I know, but there is a good mongering scene there, you just need to befriend a local to find it.
Word has it that Sheila (or Shayla), formerly of Luomo, can now be found at Monte Carlo, and sometimes at Help on the weekends.
Word has it that Sheila (or Shayla), formerly of Luomo, can now be found at Monte Carlo, and sometimes at Help on the weekends.
I will have to cruise by and see if she is there. I have never nailed her, but I have a couple of friends that she just totally dominated in the cabina. I have always wanted to break her down, similar to a wild stallion. :)
Just an fyi, that I did run into Shayla at help this past Friday night. In general the girls are licking their chops about the Pan-Am games, as American tourism remains at an almost all time low. I've never seen HELP! as empty as it was this Sunday.
Just an fyi, that I did run into Shayla at help this past Friday night. In general the girls are licking their chops about the Pan-Am games, as American tourism remains at an almost all time low. I've never seen HELP! as empty as it was this Sunday.I hope Yankee tourism to Rio continues to slump badly for most of the rest of the year then since that would contribute to creating a nice buyers' market for the "tang" upon my return.
I will have to cruise by and see if she is there. I have never nailed her, but I have a couple of friends that she just totally dominated in the cabina. I have always wanted to break her down, similar to a wild stallion. :)I have heard that as well ;)
I spoke with a friend who works at MC--and worked at Luomo previously--and she confirmed for me that Shayla IS working at MC currently.
Professor 1
07-04-07, 14:44
Well as a first-time here in Rio I just had a great experience. . . She worked at and definitely made an effort for my enjoyment. . . She was sweet and polite and every bit worth it. . . I can't stop thinking of her.I understand. It reminds me of my first trip to Rio, except the girl did not have any tatoos. When we were done, she asked me if everything we O. K. Well, it was the best that I had EVER had. I said, "Yes, yes, absolutely, " in Porteguese, but she wanted confirmation. Ah, Rio.
I can't stop thinking of her......
Bad sign! Don't fall in love with her.
L
I hope Yankee tourism to Rio continues to slump badly for most of the rest of the year then since that would contribute to creating a nice buyers' market for the "tang" upon my return.
That would be true if Brazilian GDPs, or GDPs in the third world generally, applied logic to the functioning of a free market. As some have writen in other threads, few GDPs are logical or understand markets.
I'll bet most, especially the pretty ones, will still try to charge top dollar for a handful of potential customers. They will fight with each other for those customers. It won't occur to most that if they lower their prices, there will be more customers for all of them.
That would be true if Brazilian GDPs, or GDPs in the third world generally, applied logic to the functioning of a free market. As some have writen in other threads, few GDPs are logical or understand markets.
I'll bet most, especially the pretty ones, will still try to charge top dollar for a handful of potential customers. They will fight with each other for those customers. It won't occur to most that if they lower their prices, there will be more customers for all of them.Let them eat cake! Hahaha!
That would be true if Brazilian GDPs, or GDPs in the third world generally, applied logic to the functioning of a free market. As some have writen in other threads, few GDPs are logical or understand markets.
I'll bet most, especially the pretty ones, will still try to charge top dollar for a handful of potential customers. They will fight with each other for those customers. It won't occur to most that if they lower their prices, there will be more customers for all of them.
They may not understand markets but they do understand hunger or not making the rent. The free market is not only controlled by the seller but the buyer has something to do with it too. If the dollar keeps falling and they ask for 400 or 500 reais not too many guys with dollars are either going to be there or buy it, they will have to lower their price.
Sure the true 10's may still ask for top dollar and get it sometimes but if the demand is down in Rio then so will the supply eventually. Don't forget many of the girls in Rio come from some other state or city in Brazil and they only come there for one thing, to make big money. If the mongers aren't there spending the big bucks then there will be no reason for them to come. I'm not saying there will be no girls there; I’m saying there will be less and less of the higher quality ones too. I saw this in the late 90's right before the Real weakened when it was 1 to 1. Not many Mongers, a good supply of girls but not an over abundance. But things changed as the dollar fetched 4 real, Mongers all over the place all year and plenty of girls from all over Brazil and nice ones too.
I went to Termas Solarium last Friday.The actual team is not that good but there are some good options. For those who do not know, if you access their site http://www.solarium.com.br/ and apply for the promotion "clube do internata", you get a discount by email on the price of the cabin, valid only on mondays. The same applies to montecarlo(they belong to the same owners), on the site http://www.termasmontecarlo.com.br/, the discount valid on tuesdays.
Anyway, in Solarium I chose Suzy, blond, short, not skinny but not fat either, I would rate her as a 7,5 in looks and 10 in performance, DFK, BBBJ, and regarding anal she is the one who asks for it, believe me...Very GFE, definitely recommended. I had the impression that she is like this with almost everybody. Another good option that I know from other occasion is Lorraine, brunette, a 9,5 in looks and 10 in performance.The problem with Solarium is the quantity of girls, not more than 25, I would say, I generaly like 3 or 4 and do not like to repeat, but as a whole it is one of my favourites, good atmosphere and treatment from the management.
Last Tueday (yesterday) I went to Monte Carlo-more girls,about 40, a few real beauties, but lots of 7,0, 7,5, not bad at all. I am very demanding about looks when rating, so may be you would rate them better. As a whole, much more options than Solarium. I chose Melody, new in the place, had never seen before, just astonishing in looks, tall-1,72m, blond (false), terrific body, 0% fat, definitely works out, 9,7 in looks, beautiful face. Perfomance was great, great BBBJ, but no anal, she had mentioned that before. Great fuck as a whole, one of the best recently. In MC I also recommend Laís, a blond, short, ex-body builder but now a lot thinner, great in looks and attitude.
Also went to Massagem Tijuca, Tel: 2234-8160
A "casas de massagem", a private, not a termas, but it is pure sex, the difference is that you get there, the girls come one by one for you to choose them and after the program you leave imediattley, no drinks, it's a kind of a private. Prices are very reasoneable- R$60,00 for half an hour, R$90,00 for one hour, R$120,00 for two girls one hour. I don't know if it is in Bubba's report, I think not, that' s a good tip in my opinion, more known by the locals. The site, not exactly, is more a link with photos anda phone number, is www.riobabilonia.com/massagemtijuca, with photos of the girls, lots of photoshop but the girls are nice anyway. Do not expect anybody to speak more than a few words in english, about 6/7 girls, rated 6 to 7,5 in looks, BBBJ and DFK standard, anal has to be negotiated and for an extra, excellent treatment, the owner is a former GDP and takes good care of the place.Good instalations, the bad thing is that it is in Tijuca, not a suburb ,not dangerous, but far away from the south zone and copacabana. If you take the metro get of at Saens Pena station, the final one, and get a cab, it's gonna cost not more than 10 reais. I don't remember the name of the street, but if you give a call and ask slowly they will understand and answer.For the price I think it is a very good cost/benefit.I had sex with Kelly, good attitude but a bit overweight, don't intend to repeat, there are better options, check the web site.
The same owner has another private, "casa de massagem"- Flávia Massagens ( Centro),Tel: 2215-3606 site- www.riobabilonia.com/flaviamassagens, with photos of the girls up to date, again with photoshop but you can have a good idea, in the center, Avenida Rio Branco, very essy to find, again l do do not have the number but give them a call and will be easy to locate. Prices are about the same as the other private in Tijuca.
Hope the reports will be of help.
Mr Enternational
07-05-07, 04:16
I think by their logic they will ask for more money in order to try to make up for what they are losing, which will lead them right back to being hungry.
Any predictions on the exchange rate for Decmeber?
I want to buy tickets now but I don't want to go if its 1.40 to 1.
If anyone says they can predict the exchange out 6 months they are full of shit. I can say that it is more than likely that the exchange rate will be significantly better for Americans in a few years, the current rate is not sustainable. However over the short term anything can happen.
Any predictions on the exchange rate for Decmeber?
I want to buy tickets now but I don't want to go if its 1.40 to 1.
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Originally Posted by Liucio
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I predicted back in June that the exchange rate will hit 2.11 and I have 21 days left for correct prediction.
The real closed today the last day for trading 2005 at 2.339 to the dollar. I read that the Brasilian government would like to bring it up to 2.50. I would like it back to 4.
Just for fun I cut and pasted a quote from the end of 2005 from a predictor, anybody remember Liucio?
I already bought my tickets for the future; my feeling is it won't go down much past what it is today. Even though the Brazilian economy is doing well and this is good for the average Brazilian consumer it is not good for the Brazilian exports including Bucetta. Makes everything expensive for Americans to buy and the powers to be are aware of this and want this to reverse. The Brazilian Govt doesn't want the Real to be so strong, so let’s hope they get their own way.
Sure the true 10's may still ask for top dollar and get it sometimes but if the demand is down in Rio then so will the supply eventually. Don't forget many of the girls in Rio come from some other state or city in Brazil and they only come there for one thing, to make big money. If the mongers aren't there spending the big bucks then there will be no reason for them to come. I'm not saying there will be no girls there; I’m saying there will be less and less of the higher quality ones too. I saw this in the late 90's right before the Real weakened when it was 1 to 1. Not many Mongers, a good supply of girls but not an over abundance. But things changed as the dollar fetched 4 real, Mongers all over the place all year and plenty of girls from all over Brazil and nice ones too.
You make an excellent point.
Do you think it will be mostly the 10 or mostly the 5s that leave Rio first as our demand wanes? I suspect the less pretty GDPs, or the ones less willing to do lots of what we like, will be the first to go back home. The 10s will likely be able to still get enough money to make sticking around in Rio worthwhile.
Any predictions on the exchange rate for Decmeber?
I want to buy tickets now but I don't want to go if its 1.40 to 1.
I'll take a stab at it!
Today, England and Europe raised their key interest rates. Their economies are going strong and inflation is potentially a serious problem for them. They may raise their rates again in October or November if their economies don't cool sufficiently. Higher interest rates lead to higher currency values.
Contrast that with the US. The Fed held on interest rates in June. Inflation is on the border line. The immigration bill failed so thousands more illegals low skilled workers will continue to enter the country keeping low skilled wages from rising. In addition, there is no effective cap on H1-B visa and other skilled workers visas so they will also keep coming in and prevent skilled worker wages from rising. The housing slump is turning into a crisis with new home builders losing millions of dollars and distressed home owners being foreclosed on, facing foreclosure, or facing higher mortage payments as their ARMs readjust upward. The Fed is not likely to raise interest rates for the rest of the year and may even lower them in October if inflation moderates. They want to prevent the housing slump from causing a recession, which is a REAL possibility. This will lead to a lower value of the dollar. In addition, the Bush Administration WANTS a weak dollar in order to spur exports.
So with interest rates rising in Europe and but holding or falling here in the US, the value of the US dollar will likely decline against the euro and pound through the rest of 2007.
Now for Brazil. If it can increase exports to Europe and China, to make up for lower exports to the US, and if it can keep its inflation in check, then there will be very little downward pressure on the real. That would lead to a falling US dollar against the real through 2007 and the beginning of 2008. Let's say 1.75 to 1.85.
That's my prediction. My caveat is that I am not factoring in any possible unknown events, such as hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico, escalation of the Iraq war, a new hot outbreak between Hamas and Israel or Hezbollah and Israel, North Korea testing new nukes, Musharraf getting overthrown in Pakistan, or Iran getting bolder in Iraq. Any of those things can send oil prices skyrocketing or worse.
Mr Enternational
07-06-07, 01:55
If you are worried about the exchange rate continuing in the same direction, but you are comfortable with what it is now, then just buy you Tickets AND you Money now.
You make an excellent point.
Do you think it will be mostly the 10 or mostly the 5s that leave Rio first as our demand wanes? I suspect the less pretty GDPs, or the ones less willing to do lots of what we like, will be the first to go back home. The 10s will likely be able to still get enough money to make sticking around in Rio worthwhile.
Well I like your thinking, nothing but 10's left in Rio. Maybe but I was thinking about the constant new talent always flowing into Rio. How do these girls hear about Rio and places like Help?
Many ways but I have had girls tell me about how hard their life was back in Manaus, Belo Horizante, Santa Catarina etc... And they would hear stories of women from their town that have gone to Rio and go to a place called Help that is filled with tourists who are willing to pay 300 or 400 reais for several hours of your time or all night. Not just that but during the day you can pick up a couple of quickies off the beach for 200 reais a pop.
If a girl works hard conservatively she can make 500 reais a day if she is hot. That's huge money to hear about when you have nothing back at home, Huge. This is what brings girls from all over Brasil to Rio.
Now on the other hand if they don't hear any stories at all or stories where it is hard to get a customer for 100 or 150 reais a night then this is not so alluring, is it? Sure still good money for them isn't it? But it's not going to attract the higher quality and the masses. Some may just decide to stay home or the real hot ones may decide to go to Europe but not to Rio where there is nothing but bargain hunting gringos, not that that's a bad thing of course but they're not going to leave their home for penny pinching Real strapped gringos. The days of the big high rollers in Rio are over in abundance for now at least, of course those days will come back, they always do, have some patience and curb your appetite.
How would I buy the money now? I have a brokerage account but I don't think they deal in currency.Give us the scoop.
1. In the past, Varig offer non Brasilian tourists 21 days Airpass good for 6 stops for US$500-. Varig is out of business, any new carriers offering Airpass to tourists?
2. The TAM and Gol airlines' website allow ticket purchase online. However, seems like they need a certain Brasilian ID (something like the SSN in US). Anyone of you (non Brazilian) who purchase ticket online without having to put in the SSN#?
3. Which is cheaper? Purchase ticket at the airport or online?
4. Which is cheaper? Advance 21 days purchase or Purchase at the airport and fly on the same day? Sounds like a dumb question but in the past, I have found 14-21 days advance purchase is the same fare as fly on the same day.
Thanks a lot.
1. In the past, Varig offer non Brasilian tourists 21 days Airpass good for 6 stops for US$500-. Varig is out of business, any new carriers offering Airpass to tourists?
2. The TAM and Gol airlines' website allow ticket purchase online. However, seems like they need a certain Brasilian ID (something like the SSN in US). Anyone of you (non Brazilian) who purchase ticket online without having to put in the SSN#?
3. Which is cheaper? Purchase ticket at the airport or online?
4. Which is cheaper? Advance 21 days purchase or Purchase at the airport and fly on the same day? Sounds like a dumb question but in the past, I have found 14-21 days advance purchase is the same fare as fly on the same day.
Thanks a lot.Hi,
I flew from GRU to GIG on Tam in May and i tried to buy the ticket on line but I decided to call the Miami ticket office. I paid about 35 usd more then a Brazilian would of . The agent only asked me if I had a Brazilian credit card nothing else. the Catch is you cant get that credit card unless you are a Brazilian citizen, at least that's what I was told.
Good luck
Tiger
1. In the past, Varig offer non Brasilian tourists 21 days Airpass good for 6 stops for US$500-. Varig is out of business, any new carriers offering Airpass to tourists?
2. The TAM and Gol airlines' website allow ticket purchase online. However, seems like they need a certain Brasilian ID (something like the SSN in US). Anyone of you (non Brazilian) who purchase ticket online without having to put in the SSN#?
3. Which is cheaper? Purchase ticket at the airport or online?
4. Which is cheaper? Advance 21 days purchase or Purchase at the airport and fly on the same day? Sounds like a dumb question but in the past, I have found 14-21 days advance purchase is the same fare as fly on the same day.
Thanks a lot.
1. Varig is still operating but with fewer destinations and frequencies.
2. Tam requires a brazilian credit card so either forget it or have someone else to buy your ticket. Gol allows it but requires an AMEX card. I have done both the above.
3+4. Buy your ticket well in advance for much better prices. Check TAM's site to see the pricing differences.
Gol is mainly the cheapest one and everything has to be done online.
Try to stick to the dates chosen otherwise the penalties are high. eg for a flight change from BUE to RIO avoiding a stop at SAO, that is arriving at RIO on the same day but an hour earlier Gol asked me for $R 266 more when the original fare was $R 320.
El Greco
I was in Rio last year for the World Cup and while Brazil was playing there was almost no traffic on normally heavily congested streets. When I finally got a cab at half-time and went to Solarium not only did I not get any attention from the piranhas in the boite, I could not even get a seat.
Which brings me to my current question. I just watched USA beat Brazil 2-1 (for those unfamiliar with soccer, that is a ROUT) in the you-20 World Cup and was wondering if it was on in any of the houses, specifically L'uomo which has the TV room that girls can go in to. If so, any reaction there?
I just came back from my first visit to Club Praia 400 in Barra and after 6 years of mongering in Rio I can honestly say I'm glad I took this long to visit this club. It's mediocre at best.
Entrance is R$50 but you can apply R$25 of that to drinks if you session. Drinks are reasonably priced at R$10 for Caipirinhas and R$5 for a Skol. A 40-minute seesion is an additional R$170 and a 1-hour session is R$260.
I really wouldn’t call this place a Terma. The girls are in street clothes and so are the clients. You don’t change into a robe like in the Termas.
The selection was pretty poor. I managed to find a good-looking brunette who called herself Flavia.. After a couple drinks we went upstairs. The “cabines” don’t have bathrooms so you have to take a shower in a micro-bathroom in the hallway. It’s supposed to have hot water, but the hot water wasn’t working. I’m 5’9 and weight 170 lbs and this bathroom was so small there was no way to dry my feet without planting my face in the urinal. If you are any heavier or taller than I am, your experience in this micro-bathroom will only be worse.
The cabine was also pretty small but comparable to the cabines in Luomo or Monte Carlo. The session, however, was pretty bad. My girl absolutely insisted on a CBJ. I haven’t had a CBJ from a Rio hooker since a hardcore GDP gave me one in Centaurus during my first visit to Rio in 2001 back when I didn’t speak a word of Portuguese.
Out of principle I refused the CBJ and had her do a hand job until I got hard. Nothing special from that point on about the “programa”.
Besides the poor facilities and service inside this Club I got another unpleasant surprise as I was leaving. Unlike the Copa and downtown Termas, there were no taxis outside. The bouncer outside was pushing me to get some guy in a regular car waiting outside the club to drive me to where I was going and he assured me it was ok since he was a guy known by the house. Of course, this guy’s car had no meter on it. I didn’t even talk to him and went back inside and asked the reception guy to call me a cab. The cab took about 20 minutes to get there.
In summary, I’d suggest passing on this place. The Copa and downtown Termas have some distinct advantages over this place, such as:
- Better girls and more girls
- Hot water
- Bathrooms with more than half an inch of elbow room
- BBBJs
- Taxis
- Much better prices on 1 hour sessions
I wouldn't be so hasty as to write club 400 off. Most mongers will not make it to Barra, hence it is worth making it just to get out of Copa.
It must have been a special night if the girls were wearing street clothes, they normally wear standard skimpy terma outfits.
I just came back from my first visit to Club Praia 400 in Barra and after 6 years of mongering in Rio I can honestly say I'm glad I took this long to visit this club. It's mediocre at best.
Entrance is R$50 but you can apply R$25 of that to drinks if you session. Drinks are reasonably priced at R$10 for Caipirinhas and R$5 for a Skol. A 40-minute seesion is an additional R$170 and a 1-hour session is R$260.
I really wouldn’t call this place a Terma. The girls are in street clothes and so are the clients. You don’t change into a robe like in the Termas.
The selection was pretty poor. I managed to find a good-looking brunette who called herself Flavia.. After a couple drinks we went upstairs. The “cabines” don’t have bathrooms so you have to take a shower in a micro-bathroom in the hallway. It’s supposed to have hot water, but the hot water wasn’t working. I’m 5’9 and weight 170 lbs and this bathroom was so small there was no way to dry my feet without planting my face in the urinal. If you are any heavier or taller than I am, your experience in this micro-bathroom will only be worse.
The cabine was also pretty small but comparable to the cabines in Luomo or Monte Carlo. The session, however, was pretty bad. My girl absolutely insisted on a CBJ. I haven’t had a CBJ from a Rio hooker since a hardcore GDP gave me one in Centaurus during my first visit to Rio in 2001 back when I didn’t speak a word of Portuguese.
Out of principle I refused the CBJ and had her do a hand job until I got hard. Nothing special from that point on about the “programa”.
Besides the poor facilities and service inside this Club I got another unpleasant surprise as I was leaving. Unlike the Copa and downtown Termas, there were no taxis outside. The bouncer outside was pushing me to get some guy in a regular car waiting outside the club to drive me to where I was going and he assured me it was ok since he was a guy known by the house. Of course, this guy’s car had no meter on it. I didn’t even talk to him and went back inside and asked the reception guy to call me a cab. The cab took about 20 minutes to get there.
In summary, I’d suggest passing on this place. The Copa and downtown Termas have some distinct advantages over this place, such as:
- Better girls and more girls
- Hot water
- Bathrooms with more than half an inch of elbow room
- BBBJs
- Taxis
- Much better prices on 1 hour sessions
I don't know if you fellow mongers remember but this termas was recently raided and closed down at the time that happened it was the best termas in the Barra area.
Then it reopened but then it put a rule that said that GPs can no longer wear bikinis inside (Termas without girls in bikini???).
The termas that is pumping right now in the Barra area is Paris Cafe since Cafe 400 girls went over there in masses and the Termas Rio Tropical CLub is temporarely closed, so the team of two termas plus the team they already had is in Paris Cafe Termas.
Go over there you won't be disappointed. Write a report and take pics.
I don't know if you fellow mongers remember but this termas was recently raided and closed down at the time that happened it was the best termas in the Barra area.
Do you have any idea why it was closed, since prostitution is legal in Brazil? Maybe failing to pay kickbacks to the police or to local politicians? I'd be curious to know at least the official reason.
L
do you have any idea why it was closed, since prostitution is legal in brazil? maybe failing to pay kickbacks to the police or to local politicians? i'd be curious to know at least the official reason.
lthe reason i heard was that they were looking for **** girls. i don't believe they ever found any evidence of that.
Do you have any idea why it was closed, since prostitution is legal in Brazil? Maybe failing to pay kickbacks to the police or to local politicians? I'd be curious to know at least the official reason.
L
The "official" reason was the presence of minors in the club but this was never proved so my guess is failing to pay kickbacks.
How would I buy the money now? I have a brokerage account but I don't think they deal in currency.Give us the scoop.Brazilman,
I have often bought reais and other curency in the US from Bank of America. The process is done online, if you have online banking. For amounts under U$500 they deliver to your address. If over U$500 you choose a branch office to go and pick up the cash, Take picture Id with you.
There is a small fee involved in the transaction. I use it maily when i'm in a hury to get out of the airport and don't want to lose money, geting the ridiculous exchange rate that the cambio at the airport offers or go upstairs to the ATM machines, which sometimes malfunction or has a long line. Inside Brasil, I have had excellent results in getting reais on bank of america debit card at most of the Bradesco ATM's.
Good Luck, (cambio was at R$1.90 today): pelicano
I don't know if you fellow mongers remember but this termas was recently raided and closed down at the time that happened it was the best termas in the Barra area.
Then it reopened but then it put a rule that said that GPs can no longer wear bikinis inside (Termas without girls in bikini???).
The termas that is pumping right now in the Barra area is Paris Cafe since Cafe 400 girls went over there in masses and the Termas Rio Tropical CLub is temporarely closed, so the team of two termas plus the team they already had is in Paris Cafe Termas.
Go over there you won't be disappointed. Write a report and take pics.
Thanks for the info, this would explain why I had heard good things about 400, but it was so bad last night.
I've been looking for more places to go besides the usual Termas so I will try to hit Paris Cafe next week and report back.
the official reason is looking for **** girls. the police have closed centaurus, rio antigo and probably a shit load of more places for this reason. no **** girls are ever found.
the reason they are hit is a power struggle within the police. the t's pay kick back to certain police or a few, then those police loose power and then other police step up for a kick back. until it is clear who is in charge, the terma may be closed by one party as a show of force. once the pecking order is worked out again, money is redistriubuted or some one is shot, and then things get back to normal.
corruption is the biggest reason brazil has so many economic and social problems, everything, and i do mean everything is corrupt at the higher levels or where the bigger money is involved.
Corruption is the biggest reason Brazil has so many economic and social problems, everything, and I do mean everything is corrupt at the higher levels or where the bigger money is involved.
I have heard the same thing from Brazilians. Some have told me horror stories about the level of corruption in local government. I used to live in Miami. I would not have thought that corruption could get worse than the fiasco at MIA, the housing authority, etc. But I have been told some doozies about certain Brazilian cities.
Full Throttle
07-08-07, 19:16
i am considerably behind in posting. i recently took advantage of fantastically-helpful entries made by tung… in quito, ecuador which made me realize the board is worth supporting—for all of us.
i’ve been coming to rio fairly regularly of late. trusty wingman ibiza has only been available a small percentage of the time, my trips have alternated between weekday and weekends, and my activities have been a mix of known and new experiences. first, a general summary.
the old:
copa termas: i’m happy to report that i have not been to any of the mainstream tourist termas in a half year (or more). i did receive a report from a colleague within the hour that monte carlo was smokin’ hot yesterday, and both attendees had top-tier girls in terms of looks and attitude. at 1.9:1.0, i doubt i’ll return to l’uomos solarium, monte carlo or rio antigua any time soon.
help
i recently decided that going inside is actually cost effective. the drink prices outside seemed to double in recent months. beers seem to cost around $5-7r outside but only 3r inside. that makes break-even 10-11 drinks, and it’s easier not to buy garota drinks on the inside. so, i’ve gotten to dance to my kids’ favorite songs, lately. i only pulled one girl for 200r, and, while she absolutely sucked in bed, her company was almost worth it. she spoke 5 languages and had many interesting local insights and global opinions. plus, she saved me a lot of future money because my aversion to bringing girls out of help is now stronger than ever.
downtown termas:
1. as i mentioned in a previous post, 4x4 has largely priced itself out of the market for me. i suppose 170r for a 40 minute session before 5pm is still okay, but i’ve found recently that the available talent is marginal early. worse, the terma now fills up by 6pm making it far less than pleasant. so, 4x4 is off my list for a while.
2. i haven’t been to cancun for a while, but i suspect i would like it even more now compared to 4x4. i’m only guessing their business has improved bringing in more girls and clients. they still have daily specials for drinks, duplas and stuff. fabiana is still one of my top 2 experiences (and that’s among 250+ girls in the past 3 years).
3. laser 502 varies from week to week. they have a fun group of girls ranging in looks. interestingly, the time before last was rather dull socially, but i ended up with a fantastic italian-brazilian girl who was insatiable. the girls during my last visit were quite festive, but none of the five of us had a stellar event.
4. aquarius has always compensated for its dark atmosphere with young, hot girls and superior accommodations. yesterday, among 12 girls, only 3 were hot and only 5 doable (so, we did 2 of them). i’ll certainly go back, but it was a rather disappointing lot. price is still good, though-- $10r entry including 2 beers, $110 for 40 minutes or an hour, depending upon one’s math.
downtown massage parlors
this has been my hangout of choice lately. rio branco 156 contains 8-10 locations that i know of, 185 has two and 181 has one. prices range from $80-95r for an hour, 4-10 girls per address, service ranging from pretty good to fantastic. at those prices, canvassing is inexpensive and fruitful. as gringos, we are somewhat of an anomaly in the downtown parlors, so they remember us and have a lot of fun with us in the lobby. 156/3320 is a good place to start as the girls are plentiful and beautiful, and the facilities are top notch. service is not the best overall, but there are gems. 181/1506 is good also, with better overall service but not quite as nice a place. if i know you or you are a contributing senior member, i’ll share the list.
recent experiences
some highlights:
-my best buddy and i took 2 girls to a room at aquarius. his girl was enthusiastic about photos, mine wasn’t. about half-way through the session, i noticed a window next to the door. a few minutes later, giggling faces filled the space in the window. it turns out we were assigned the voyeur room. the downside was that the camera flashes were obvious in the hallway and management got uptight about it. we separated the sd card from the camera, so it there were no pics for them to find. they did hassle us, but offered us free drinks when finished.
-ibiza and i chose 2 girls at aquarius last night. they looked similar enough to be twins. they were close—sisters one year apart. with the help of our carioca comrade, alexander, we negotiated for us each to take a sister, spend 30 minutes with her then send them to the other. one sister liked to kiss but was rather listless, the other didn’t like to kiss but was a barrel of fun besides that. total cost was around $55us each to do both sisters.
-last week, five of us entered a downtown terma new to all of us. it’s been around approximately 4 months and is an instant favorite. the facilities are a cross between 4x4 and monte carlo. there is the boite on the main floor that includes peripheral seating, a nice bar area, a center stage and a glass-enclosed hot tub. the locker room and shower area is two stories up and some complicated turns away.
i was elated to receive a key at the front door. i love going robing, and haven’t had the opportunity of late. a tall, dark girl noticed my glee and told me to follow her. upon reaching the 2nd floor and passing by some of the rooms, i became wary of being railroaded into a premature session. she immediately reassured me by stating, “no, no, no… later, you will fuck my ass. now, i show you your locker.”
not only was her premonition correct, but, within an hour, each of us had been with a hot girl, all requiring three entries. we stayed for an additional 2 or 3 hours culminating in a seductive hot tub scene starring one very hot young girl and yours truly. while fun, it was not all glamorous as the hot tub water was cold and i had to sacrifice my lucky underwear. but, it was all in the name of art, so who is to complain?
afterward, the gang headed to laser 502. alexander and i took two girls to a shared room. somehow, in my inebriated state, i took a girl who was my height and could probably beat me in arm wrestling. i don’t know how i ended up with her and, further, what i thought i could accomplish at that late stage of the evening. we did manage to have some fun, although my linebacker girl turned out to be much better than his petite hottie. alexander pounded away, complaining to me about her in english and arguing with her in portugese. upon completion, his girl immediately puked in the shower. i guess the carioca guys really do make the girls sick.
the highlight of the evening may have been the ride home at 2am in a bus all the way from downtown to leblon. though i had two hours of wild encounters during the day, it took a bus traveling over what felt like the moon’s surface at trans-sonic speeds with an undercarriage equivalent to a wheelbarrow to make me feel truly alive. it may also make my chiropractor rich.
so, the exchange rate sucks and prices continue to push up. yet, yesterday i enjoyed the company of 3 different girls for under $100us. i guess the demise of rio as the world’s top mongering destination is not as imminent as once thought.
I was at Solarium on thursday night, and the talent was very good( maybe just one over weight garota, the rest had bikini bodies). I ended up with a 19 yr old named Melanie. Tight body, great skin, and a hell of a tight ass. Very good in the cabina.
The girls in the boite were alot of fun and it had a very festive vibe. Unfortunately, the exchange rate makes this place expensive. Oh yea, the two lady clowns in the front desk asked for tips while I was paying the bill. I asked what for? They responded by saying they speak english, and it makes it easier for the client. Only one catch, even though I am not brazilian, I spoke to them in Portuguese the whole time. In fact, when first arriving, I insisted they speak to me in portuguese ( I was with a brazilian friend, and this would make it easier for him). I laughed and played it off when they asked.
How dumb were we for not buying 20k worth of reals when it was 3 to 1. We could have sold back the 20k worth now and kept the rest.
Hindsight is always 20/20, man. You know that.
Mr Enternational
07-10-07, 19:57
Corruption is the biggest reason Brazil has so many economic and social problems, everything, and I do mean everything is corrupt at the higher levels or where the bigger money is involved.
Remember President Collor de Mello in the early 90s? If the president himself is corrupt what the hell is Joe Blow Citizen to do? The corruption just trickles down.
http://www.zonalatina.com/Zldata245.htm
Do you have any idea why it was closed, since prostitution is legal in Brazil?LProstitution is legal in Brazil, period.
Termas are not... What's illegal is "exploration" of prostitution (we mean "taking advantage" of it), so Termas do not fit : girls get "multas" if they don't show up with a good reason, they're supposed to respect hours, just like sex workers...
So you can always been caught in a PF raid in Termas. Most of the time, the owner of a Terma is a cousin of a General or a high-ranked Officer from the Policia Federal...
To resume the situation : street-hookers are legals, Help is legal, but everything set-up for P4P, like Termas, are not.
Do you have any idea why it was closed, since prostitution is legal in Brazil?
LI forgot : why don't you pay the "garota" with your CC in a Terma?
Hipocrisy, they rent you a room and that's all without a trace.
U.
Alex Deuce
07-10-07, 21:12
Remember President Collor de Mello in the early 90s? If the president himself is corrupt what the hell is Joe Blow Citizen to do? The corruption just trickles down.
http://www.zonalatina.com/Zldata245.htmThat is not a representation of the current system. President Lula is receiving blowback from trying to clean up the system and put an end to the corruption. He is being marred in ficticious scandles aimed to stop his economic programs. The labor party is pissed at his popularity and are making it hard on him just as the democrates are doing to Bushy. There has been all allegation and not a single shred of evidences save for the comments of one member of congress.
The labor party is pissed that he will not devalue the currency against the dollar in its weekend state and for his international trade agreements with China, Venezuela and Russia. I stated in another group that the goverment will start clamping down on Termas/massegems and any other high kick back areas to reduce the oppositons power.
Mr Enternational
07-10-07, 21:46
I know. I was just giving an example of corruption in history and how deep it can actually get.
Alex Deuce
07-10-07, 23:37
I know. I was just giving an example of corruption in history and how deep it can actually get.Sorry Pimping.. Just giving a view of my experience dealing with Brazil politics. I am just in aw of the foriegn small business owners that actually make a living. The local goverment has a hand out for everything the foriengers do in that country.
PS. Where are you now? You are my hero. If I did not have a mouth to feed I would be traveling like you.
Beach Star
07-11-07, 01:42
I stated in another group that the goverment will start clamping down on Termas/massegems and any other high kick back areas to reduce the oppositons power.How will clamping down on Termas strengthen the governments position?
I forgot : why don't you pay the "garota" with your CC in a Terma?
U.
The last time I was there (August 2006) you could pay for the garota with a CC at all the termas I went to. The policy of requiring that the garota be paid for in cash appears to have been short-lived.
L
Tungurahua
07-11-07, 20:51
I am considerably behind in posting. I recently took advantage of fantastically-helpful entries made by Tung… in Quito, Ecuador which made me realize the board is worth supporting — for all of us. Amen. Looks like I will need some help now in turn. Currently in Curitiba, will walk Sao Paulo for a couple days. Approaching from the south it is almost time to do some homework, find out where the 700 penny 'chongos' are in Rio. Christopherd's post 3844, with its Rua Buenos Aires 85, sounds right up my alley -- screwing to the cockroach shuffle. Other than taking down a Brazilian or two the only thing I need to do is make a date with Jesus.
Sandman0011
07-12-07, 13:26
I think the answer you are looking for is that you don't want to pay with CC because Termas will charge an extra 20% - 30% for using a CC. Thus cash is the way to go.PH,
Actually, the termas generally only tack on 5-10% even though it is against the CC companies rules. A lot of guys are willing to pay the extra for the convenience of not having to carry around so much money.
A lot of them like the "Frequent Fucking Miles" they get!
I think the answer you are looking for is that you don't want to pay with CC because Termas will charge an extra 20% - 30% for using a CC. Thus cash is the way to go.
Not if you want to earn airline miles. ;)
L
American Warrior
07-12-07, 19:57
Wanted to share my Brazilian experience with you fellow mongers. Just now finidng the time to post being that I have been back a month (Stayed 11 days). By the way I am not new th Brazil but I am new to posting.
Day 1 Arrived and checked into the Apartment around 2:00 p.m. Went to the Zona Sul and pharmacy to get all my weapons per Bubba--I hope to one day rival Bubba (envy). After settling in I made a quick go to Meia Pataca and was disappointed that I could not get a quick session in every trip it seems to be going down hill. Decided that the terma scence would not take place until Sunday so decided to go to HELP. I guess since it is winter there the girls are away on vacation. I was on a mission not to repeat any prior conquest this trip, wrong. First night went home with a girl that I have done in the past and she made it worth my 150R(75.00 US). I usually only spend 100R if that. I am a regular so girls know not to drive up the price on me.
DAY 2 Head downtown and its seems like everything is close so I head to Meia Pataca. Pass on the girls there. Go to Help that night and snag up a girl for 100R (50US).
DAY 3 Luoma's. Damn Ingrid is off. Place is empty but my paradise.
DAY 4 Pick up a chick for some afternoon play and it turns into late night set back 50R
DAY 5 Another of my friends join us--his first time. Ghe the best Brasilian person in the world had Fernardo pick him up from the airport. He arrives the apartment and my other friend opens the door and I hear the excitment in his voice and how good the girls looked at the airport. I put on my draws and walk out to the living room and he is still happy. By the way he has been to places like Bangkok and he is married. I greet him and then I call out of my office the chica. His mouth drops open and he just yells damn that girl should be shown off. My other friend and me laugh and inform him that he has not seen the best, he believes we are lying so I tell the chica to beat it.
We decided (me and my other friend) before he came not to let him see all the fun on the first day. That night we introduced him to Help.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Here's some photos to help any new visitors locate these places -
Barbarela's - situated on the corner of Prado Junior and Av Min. Viveiros de Castro. The photo is taken from the other side of Prado Junior, by Farmacia d.Leme drugstore/chemist. You can see Nogueira in the background on the other side of Viv.de Castro.
Cicciolina's, Frank's Bar, and Riotur Tourist Information (from right to left across the photo). All these are situated on Av. Princesa Isabel.
Nogueira - in Min. Viveiros de Castro. The photo is taken from the Princesa Isabel side, looking towards the Prado Junior side.
Emptying out the pockets - here's some flyers that may interest some members.
Apart from showing you what to expect to be handed as you wander around the relevant locales, there's some added details about opening hours, general descriptions etc, which saves passing it on second hand.
Note that the illustriousness of the flyer does not necessarily reflect that much about the venue - see description reports.
Boites -
Pussycat (Belfort Roxo), Frank's (Pr.Isabel), Erotika (Prado Junior)
Termas (cheap ones lol) -
Afrodity - dble sided flyer(145 Uruguiana), Casarao (40 Carioca), Clube 81 (81 Quitanda), Sobrado 37 (Trav.do Ouvidor 37).
This happened three years ago but I though it was worth mentioning here. I was at L'uomo checking out and there was a guy at the desk arguing about his bill. He was in Rio for the first time, with some friends. It may have been his second day at L'uomo. The point of contention was that while in the biote a girl came onto him a bit too strongly and he blew his load (HJ/BJ). Apparently the girl now wanted to be paid for a session and the management wanted their room fee.
His point of view was that he did not want the girl, did not ask her to do anything and therefore should not have to pay. The manager said, "You came, you pay. " He conceded that he perhaps should pay the girl but should not have to pay for the room since he never used it. The manager said, "You are not going to cheat us out of our share! " They went back and forth for a while. At one point they offered to let him go into a cabine with the girl but he declined. Eventually he grudingly paid but vowed never to come back.
Anybody ever seen anything like that?
Thats is one crazy story! I dont think anyone can top or match that one!!
The guy sounds like an idiot. He went in the room with the girl and now doesn't want to pay. He didn't have to leave early. He could have stayed the whole 40 minutes. Sounds like a cheap ass to me. I'm sure luomo won't miss him like centauraus probably misses all the people that don't go back there anymore.
Christopherd:
I've read all your great reports. And have been eagerly awaiting pics of the garotas you've "met" on your trip. Although your last post was informative, I was not expecting pics of Flyers. Which begs the question: do you have pics of your garotas? if so, how much longer before we get to see them? I'm dying to see the garotas you've met "off the beaten path."
The guy sounds like an idiot. He went in the room with the girl and now doesn't want to pay. He didn't have to leave early. He could have stayed the whole 40 minutes. Sounds like a cheap ass to me. I'm sure luomo won't miss him like centauraus probably misses all the people that don't go back there anymore.
I think you misread what he posted. This girl actually blew him in the boite, not a cabin. I can understand him not wanting to pay for the room, but the girl should get something.
Flew in From New York with Canada's hand ball team who are in the Pan Am Games on Tuesday the 10th.
Some money issuses Citibank is Closed and 1us = 1.90 reals except at the the Airport were the rate is 1.82 and 4x4 the rate is 1.70.
Rio is not crowed at all went to MC and Had a ball 3 guys and about 40 to 50 girls it was real slow Wed. I took gabealla and she is a total freak and a nine in my book, btw girls were given thier numbers away and trying to come to your APT. like if they were going out of business.
Next day 4x4 mostly guys from brazil and tons of girls. They had nice stage shows, but too many fake blondes what the hell is going on. Some of the blond look awful and to fake. I must amit they still had nice bodies. Btw the Asian lady was given my buddy 1.70 reals to his 1us so I had to pay for him. Took a short little yes fake blond with ass made by god. She was good in the sack.
Next day went to the beach and just relaxed. Then went to help at night The place was also dead for a friday night . There a bunch of girls outside and quite a few inside. No real knockouts. I took a darkskin hottie she was just ok bbbj suck but rode ok she just left 5 min ago and didn't ask for taxi fare. I have to go to help tonight for my buddy was to sick to go Friday night.
BTW all girls gave me bbbj without even asking.
Prices: MC is over 300reals for an hour take the 40min for 240 reals
4x4 was 180 real for the hour and both MC and 4x4 ask for tips . I alway tip the barteners and towel staff but the desk people for what.
150 reals for the girl from help she never ask for a price. I gave her the 150 reals she put in her pocket and never counted it. BTW no one should pay over 200 real for a help girl right now the knockout are not in there. I think thier on vacation.
Well it is time to eat might hit the dirty dirty { VM } today b4 help. See you guys later.
Sandman0011
07-14-07, 18:54
Question. Was she using her cell phone credits or calling you collect?
1) Needs the money;
2) Liked your style/game and wants more;
3) Sees you as a possible LT BF (or at least while you are there) and she won't have to play the game at Help.
4) Seriously wants to let you know she is interested;
5) Crazy as hell and a potential stalker;
Suggestion: Call her and just invite her for coffee/chopp in a public place/restaurant. You may find the answer. Whether you like it or not is a different issue. I would not invite her back to your place until you get a better feel.
Let me run this by you experienced Rio mongers. Last week, i pull the perfect girl for me outside of Help. Nice little body, young (19), and dressed for sex. We go to a local motel and all is good, this girl is enthusiastic, with a killer body, thin build but with the killer bunda, nicely tanned. On the way back, in the taxi, she gives me her number, and I give her my local Oi number, we program each others numbers in our phones. She also kisses my shirt leaving lipstick marks on it. Was this done to keep me from going back and getting another girl? She wants me to call her the following night to hook-up, I do not call. I wait a week, and last night I call her cell. No answer, I leave no message, but since she programmed my number into her phone she should know I called.
Two hours later, it is 11 p.m., I am asleep, she starts calling my cell, I am tired and do not answer, when I wake up in the morning, I look at my cell and I have twenty (20) missed calls from her. She called 20 times, in a hour and half period.
My question to you all: what is up with that? Did I open a can of worms by calling her? This chick is a hottie, and I cannot image she is desperate for guys. In Help she can easily pull in whatever she wants. So why call me 20 times? Suggestions anyone?
My question to you all: what is up with that? Did I open a can of worms by calling her? This chick is a hottie, and I cannot image she is desperate for guys. In Help she can easily pull in whatever she wants. So why call me 20 times? Suggestions anyone?
It's really not that hard to understand; she sees you as a potential cash cow. Put yourself in her place. You were a guy who picked her up, paid her what you agreed on, probably treated her with respect and affection, and now you're calling again, obviously indicating to her that you want to see her again. Im's sure you've heard the saying, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush?" Well, now that you've indicated that you're interested in a rematch, you're the bird in hand. If she latches on to you, this means she won't have to spend hours in a smoke filled disco listening to loud music, with uncertain results. As to why she called 20x in an hour and a half, she wanted to latch on to you before you went on to someone else. And she was probably having an unproductive night.
L
Purple Haze do not read too much into that, this is a typical scenerio in Rio (at least once a trip or so). What the guys said below was right on. When guys start thinking there is something special(she's in love,etc) going on, thats where they start fallin into the Rio GDP trap.
Trippleecks
07-15-07, 12:43
Purple Haze .... Maybe she was not able to get another client and figured you were good for a few more $$$, so she called you to spend the night. Listen, if you're not a chick magnet at home, you won't be one in Rio. It's all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
IMO it is worth lining up a few chicks that are into you to save both of you the need to go to Help, especially on a weekend or when it is raining. You can probably get her for a lower retainer rate if you are clever and nice and for longer time.
Christopherd:
I've read all your great reports. And have been eagerly awaiting pics of the garotas you've "met" on your trip. Although your last post was informative, I was not expecting pics of Flyers. Which begs the question: do you have pics of your garotas? if so, how much longer before we get to see them? I'm dying to see the garotas you've met "off the beaten path."
Well, I'm flattered. I haven't read *all* of anyone's posts. I did flick through some of yours though. Am I right in thinking you were in Rio recently but haven't posted any reports? much less pictures?
You must have made some hay while you were here. Maybe you could give us an inkling before demanding more from me?
Since you have read all my posts, you will know that the issue of photos was strongly debated. And, while respecting everyone else's choices, you will know my preferences. But to re-iterate: generally, everyone follows their own code. I've built up a large photo collection, but, rightly or wrongly, have usually countered any objection from garotas by promising not to post any on the web. I do, however, send the girls in question a collection if they want. Some girls I have known for several years. At places where I am well known, I suggest new girls ask their friends if they are unsure whether to trust me on keeping the pictures private. I have offered to show other mongers privately in person, and have shown several people photos this trip. You didn't take up my offer to meet, so I haven't shown them to you, simple as that.
If you want to infer that I have not met the girls that I post reports on that is your privilege - if you don't really find my posts great or useful as you say, but think they are made up, as you perhaps underhandedly imply, then please ignore them. I contribute what I can and suggest others do the same. I enjoy the photos section occasionally (especially Sperto's, as he made the point I would have liked to make about 1R a minute girls; and Sandman's, who posted a very high quality pictures) but am mostly here for info, not pictures. Everyone to their own.
I, for one, can vouch for Christopherd. During my last Rio trip he and I met, and he introduced me to VM. He also showed me a lot of pictures. This should retire, once and for all, any talk of there being a possibility of him making things up.
We have got to respect each other's choices. Christopherd gives his word to the girls that the photos he takes will not show up on the Internet. And I respect him for keeping his word. A lot!
euro
Christopherd:
No sir, I did not mean to imply, infer or suggest otherwise.
You took my post in a way that was unintended. It was not a slam of you. I enjoy reading your posts as it reminds me of my first trips to Rio and going off the beaten path. However, you are going off the beaten path on a grand scale. I just wanted "more."
I must have missed your position on the posting of garota pictures.
Yes, I was recently in Rio. It was a non-mongering trip so I have nothing to add to this board. I'm also sorry we were unable to meet while I was there. Our itineraries kept us apart.
My apologies for having offended you.
hi,
this is nothing new. its actually very common in brazil. dont wory about it, its easy for you to change your number. first of all i never give out a my number to a helpee, second she thinks you are her boyfriend now and she is pised off that you didnt call her back. you are in rio there are more hotties like her and then sum. i would move on. good luck.
tiger
let me run this by you experienced rio mongers. last week, i pull the perfect girl for me outside of help. nice little body, young (19), and dressed for sex. we go to a local motel and all is good, this girl is enthusiastic, with a killer body, thin build but with the killer bunda, nicely tanned. on the way back, in the taxi, she gives me her number, and i give her my local oi number, we program each others numbers in our phones. she also kisses my shirt leaving lipstick marks on it. was this done to keep me from going back and getting another girl? she wants me to call her the following night to hook-up, i do not call. i wait a week, and last night i call her cell. no answer, i leave no message, but since she programmed my number into her phone she should know i called.
two hours later, it is 11 p.m., i am asleep, she starts calling my cell, i am tired and do not answer, when i wake up in the morning, i look at my cell and i have twenty (20) missed calls from her. she called 20 times, in a hour and half period.
my question to you all: what is up with that? did i open a can of worms by calling her? this chick is a hottie, and i cannot image she is desperate for guys. in help she can easily pull in whatever she wants. so why call me 20 times? suggestions anyone?
Wanderer1000
07-16-07, 21:00
I left Rio on Saturday morning. I was wondering all along what the Pan-Am games would do to the Copa scene. I really didn´t notice anything different in the way of activity until the last day or two before I left. I noticed a few more English speakers around on the streets, but that was it. Even my driver to the airport said it was very slow in Rio without much business. He didn´t notice ant pick-up in business, and he said the airport area wouldn´t be busy - it wasn't. Maybe I missed something, but except for some VIP car escorts on Friday on Avenida Atlantica, things weren´t that different.
CaptainNemo
07-17-07, 00:42
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aepiKrqW8qIY&refer=home
Mr Enternational
07-17-07, 01:45
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aepikrqw8qiy&refer=home
that was a wild article. i had to send it to one of my brazilian homegirls who is a physical therapist in rio. she almost died when she read the part about help. her opinion is that 300 reais is wayyy too much to pay someone to fuck...
fabiana says:
nossa
fabiana says:
300 reais help
fabiana says:
que isso
fabiana says:
você tem que vir ensinar a eles que não se paga isso!
fabiana says:
vai falar só que esta caro
fabiana says:
quanto você acha que deve pagar a uma prostituta?
mrenternational says:
i do not know. tell me
fabiana says:
acho caro para um homnem pagar isso para fazer sexo
JayHighFive
07-17-07, 02:52
I am thinking of having a fiesta in the Millennium Suites at VIP's. How many will the suite hold comfortably? I see some of you have done 2 sets. Any help is appreciated.
Obrigado
El Austriaco
07-17-07, 03:48
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aepiKrqW8qIY&refer=home
From the article above:
"Copacabana also is Rio's main venue for high-end street prostitutes. Da Vida estimated that the city has about 5,000 prostitutes, and most of them work in Copacabana during special events. That number may rise by 25 percent as prostitutes from other parts of Brazil head to Rio, Lenz said."
I really enjoyed the part about "high-end street prostitutes". And an estimate of about 5,000 prostitutes is just ridiculously low, IMHO. Last year, an O Globo article talked about at least 20,000 ones, and most people would say that that's even a low estimate. I really don't know how people come up with these numbers. And to say that most Rio prostitutes work in Copacabana... LOL.
"Workers at Help, a club on Copacabana Beach, raise rates to 300 reais ($160) an hour from 200 reais when the city is packed with visitors, Valadares said. European and American clients are charged 400 reais, she said."
They make it sound like there was some sort of fixed, well-established pricing system going on in Help, when the vast majority of reports on this board indicate that prices fluctuate dramatically. Regardless, 200 Reais per HOUR really seems way out of line by pretty much anyone's account. To say nothing of 400 Reais.
Sometimes, I think that ISG and similar sites are really the only reliable sources on prostitution and P4P in Rio de Janeiro. Keep up the good work, guys.
Cheers, everyone.
EA
If word (rumor) spreads through Brazil that that the going rate in Rio is $400, there will be a lot more then 20,000 pros!
hi guys
quick question do any of you know of any girls good at squiting aka female ejaculation in luomo, 4x4, mc etc.
also how do you say squirt in portuguese, i don't want misunderstandings!! [CodeWord101] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101) are not my thing!!
arriving in rio next week for 2 months :-) shame the dollar is so low :-(
thanks
langer
If word (rumor) spreads through Brazil that that the going rate in Rio is $400, there will be a lot more then 20,000 pros!
I think thre are alredy more than 20.000... since I've been thre some weeks, and the rate is, approx R$ 400 for a whole night (BBBJ, anal included)
IT
PS I have alredy a week resrvation on the flight to Rio and Sao Paulo...
Hey Guys,
Does anybody have a projection about the Real/Dollar rate going on for the near future? I can't believe it's gone down to 1.8 from 3.0 in less than 3 years..
Wanderer1000
07-17-07, 23:16
Spent the vast majority of my mongering time at 4x4 on my recent trip in Rio. At R180 for an hour in a larger room with a shower, I think it's a much less painful option for gringos dealing with the exchange rate. I don't mind taking the metro from Copa, and I have come to enjoy walking around and hanging out in a more "real" kind of Brazilian environment.
I'm pretty picky, and the vast majority of the girls don't excite me much, but with the volume of girls here, only 10% of them can keep me coming back a lot and keep me happy.
... is what we call this. There are 80 to 100 girls at 4*4 on a good night. And your 10% still amount to more than one can reasonably do in a given night. I love 4*4.
Subway: very safe! Even safer than a taxi.
That is pretty sad that out of 100 girls, only about 10 would keep you coming back. I sort of understand. On my virgin trip, after round 1 at 4 x 4, I became very selective in trying to find the perfect one. In fact, I became so selective that I made a worse decision because time was running out and I had to go for round 2. When you think about it, it really is pathetic. I think by my 3rd trip to 4 x 4, I finally just said, find one I like, and make some contact and see what happens. I think my number was much higher than 10% though. All I can say is what a place it is, there is nothing like it that I have personally ever seen. I am looking forward to going back.
Spent the vast majority of my mongering time at 4x4 on my recent trip in Rio. At R180 for an hour in a larger room with a shower, I think it's a much less painful option for gringos dealing with the exchange rate. I don't mind taking the metro from Copa, and I have come to enjoy walking around and hanging out in a more "real" kind of Brazilian environment.
I'm pretty picky, and the vast majority of the girls don't excite me much, but with the volume of girls here, only 10% of them can keep me coming back a lot and keep me happy.
Hey Guys,
Does anybody have a projection about the Real/Dollar rate going on for the near future? I can't believe it's gone down to 1.8 from 3.0 in less than 3 years..
If anybody could answer this, Andre, that person might be the next Warren Buffett. That's kind of like asking which stocks are going to go up; a lot harder, in fact. For all but a few investment geniuses, it just can't be done.
L
Alex Deuce
07-18-07, 04:51
If anybody could answer this, Andre, that person might be the next Warren Buffett. That's kind of like asking which stocks are going to go up; a lot harder, in fact. For all but a few investment geniuses, it just can't be done.
LCheck Bloomberge, MSNBC , Money, google US dollar or visit any financial news site and they will all point to a bleak prediction for the US Dollar against all currencies. The only thing expected to change this trend is a stronger than expected American GDP. Which is highly unlikely, given the current economic data and increasing federal deficit, trade imbalance and foreign debt.
You dont have to be buffet. You just need to take a economic class.
Why do you guys keep discussing the exchange rate in this thread? Jackson created a separate section "Real vs Dollar and other currency issues". How about moving your discussions on this issue there!
It is a good time to come down if you can afford it and your a Rookie. Things are not as bleak as some have wrote, but also not great. BTW the wheather have been horriable.
TAM had a big Airline crash on the Runway killing over 200 it hit a TAM building at SP airport on Tuesday.
There are not that many Americans down here right now. The girls are hurting all over. On Monday I went back to MC and they had some new girls, but the place was dead. About 35 girls and 4 or 5 guys. Half the girls look like they were sleeping and my girl G was not there. I had a 40 min with laru she was ok over acting and speaking to much english during sex thats how I knew it was fake. These girls all act but they speak thier own lingo when they really enjoy it. Called it a night for help it not worth it. Tuesday hit 4x4 agian and took the trian for the first time very easy and quick thanks to Bubba Giude. I brought a couple of DVDs, don't see them in COPO no more. I like the girls who have big butts not a chest man, so 4x4 is the spot for that. If someone knows a termas with bigger butts PM me. 4x4 was just ok today about 50 girls not 100 or 150 and I stayed from 3pm to 11pm. Took a girl from ne-troy not spell that way,but sound like that. She was great she stuck me up her ass and I really don't do that, but when in Rio take the bunda. She wanted to come back to my apt. I declined.
Stange thing happen when I got back to my building. I had some foods and was waiting for the elavator. The door open and a girl who look like a hooker was in it. She held the door for me and I smile and said thank you. She than notice that I was American by my accent and came up to my Apt. Yes she was an call girl coming from someone else APT. I ate while she took a shower. Her face were ok nice ass, but I like it a little bigger and her hair was a mess before she wet it. 100R for the whole night form minight to 7am, plus 20R for a cab. The sex was good.
I am starting to see many flaw in these hot girls, so I think I getting burn out.
local girls without make up, tight clothes, working in KFC and Mikey Dees are staring to look hotter then these hookers.
Non pros might be the way but not afther a 12hr flight, I will chalk it up to a slow season. I think it like a kid in the candy store that grew up (ie-43) and don't like cheap sweets anymore.
Well I have one more day, so it will be sex all day and night.
Alex Deuce
07-18-07, 20:23
Why do you guys keep discussing the exchange rate in this thread? Jackson created a separate section "Real vs Dollar and other currency issues". How about moving your discussions on this issue there!Kick Rocks!
However, Rio is a Buyers market at this time, if you have money. Very few Americans, Horid weather, and when it is nice you do not want to go anywhere near MP. It is a drougt of dumb Americans and it is causing a GDP recession.
I am starting to see many flaw in these hot girls, so I think I getting burn out. local girls without make up, tight clothes, working in KFC and Mikey Dees are staring to look hotter then these hookers.
Good post! I like wide hips and big butts too.
I agree 100% on the non-pros without make-up. I dated a non-pro Brazilian for a while. When we went out she would put on make-up and stuff but it just made her look LESS pretty, at least to me. We would shower before sex so her make-up would come off. That was GREAT!
I still remember her face while sleeping with no make-up. Her skin was so smooth, no blemishes, her eye lashes just the right shape and length, and her full lips in their natural color. She looked SO beautiful! I think that most women are prettier with less makeup, especially less lipstick. For my former GF, (we are still friends), there was NO lipstick shade that was better than her narual lip color.
I'll bet that GDPs would get more attention and make more money if they laid of the make-up a bit.
Why do you guys keep discussing the exchange rate in this thread? Jackson created a separate section "Real vs Dollar and other currency issues". How about moving your discussions on this issue there!
I didn't notice that, sorry.
BTW thanks for the info Alex Deuce!
A.A
Check Bloomberge, MSNBC , Money, google US dollar or visit any financial news site and they will all point to a bleak prediction for the US Dollar against all currencies. The only thing expected to change this trend is a stronger than expected American GDP. Which is highly unlikely, given the current economic data and increasing federal deficit, trade imbalance and foreign debt.
You dont have to be buffet. You just need to take a economic class.
Fine. Post again in 5 years and let us know how rich you've become because of your expert knowledge.
L
Nothing new here. Just thought I'd post the (slightly updated) list I've been using on my mobile phone. Although I can vouch for most of them, there are a few I haven't been to personally. Newbies: refer back to Bubba's and Sperto's guides for more info. There's also several missing (like the 2 N.S. Copa 203/4 termas) and many more to just discover yourself. Update and add as you go along. The map refs are for an old copy of Ruas and should be ignored (excpt for the person I gave my copy to ;-)
BR: TERMAS
Centro:
~ = North Centro
~Rua do Acre 35: Club das Danadinhas, [R20/20m] Noon-Mid'nt D9
~Rua do Acre 61: Termas Aquarios, [entry 10R + 70R/30m] D9
~Rua Acre 120 10R 10m
~Rua Alcântara Machado 31 [entry 6R + 40R/20m] D9
~Rua Alcântara Machado 48
*Rua de Alfandega 502 [10R entry + R77/20m, R112/1hr]
~Rua dos Andradas 129 (corner of, & entry via, Av. Marechal Floriano)
*Rio Branco 156 (506, 1706, 1825, 1833, 2114, 2240, 2328, 3320, 3330) [65R/30m]
*Rio Branco 185 (1829, 2114)
*Rua Buenos Aires 21, 2nd fl entry 20R; 130R 1hr
*Rua Buenos Aires 44, 4x4, 30R entry > 5pm R170 1hr. 2pm-m'night E9 Mon-Fri 120 girls.
*Rua Buenos Aires 85 [R10/10m] 10am-8pm (one floor has R15 for 20m) E9
*Rua Buenos Aires 113 [R10/10m] 9am-9pm E9
*Rua da Carioca 40, Casarao, R30 20m M-F
*Rua da Carioca 59 [R10/10m] F9 M-F
~Rua da Conceição 116a (between Rua Teófilo Otoni and Av. Marechal Floriano) [R15/15m] Closes midnight E8
*Rua Evaristo da Veiga, 47 (apt 501, 502, 701, 702) H1
~Rua Leandro Martins 3
~Rua Leandro Martins 5
~Rua Mairink Veiga 30 10R entrance 90R 30m D9
~Marechal Floriano No.1 ('MF1' on corner of Miguel Couto / Marechal Floriano on Largo de Santa Rita) [30R/20m] D9
*Presidente Vargas 590 (1005,1317) E9
*Presidente Vargas 633 (417)
*Rua da Quitanda 81 R10 entry, R70/30m, R110/60m M-F 2-10pm
*Rua do Rosario 65 [60R entry + R190/40m] E1
*Rua do Ouvidor 130, apt.707 [R20/15m] 10-6pm E1
~Praça Mauá 9: Boate Flórida [65R/30m] C9 Mon-Fri from about 8pm till about 4am
*Rua Santa Luzia 405 (4th floor, apt.29) G3
*Travessa do Ouvidor 37 [R30/15m] F1
*Av Treze de Maio 47 (apt.708, 2408) G1
*Rua Uruguaiana 24 [around R18/15m] 10am-8pm F9
*Rua Visconde de Rio Branco 36 (continuation of Rua.d.Carioca - new door near junction of Av. Gomez Freire)
*Rua do Carmo 64, Cancun
R200 60mins (total)
VM
Hotel Canário (motel)=R$ 20/2 hs.
Better rooms (same price) are upstairs ("em cima")
BARRA d.Tijuca ( & Recreio):
*Paris Cafe Av. das Americas 15.105 v.good
*Praia club 400
Av do Pepe 400 from 6pm
Sat from 9.30pm
* and Tropical: Estrada dos Bandeirantes 6370, Curicica, Jacarepagua
NITEROI:
Rua da Conceicao 132
R140 inc entry, gd value
near ferry & shopping
Map p88 T10
COPA:
*L'Uomo Siq.Campos 143
In mall next to Metro
4pm-1am 60 girls
Cover60, Rm60, girl130,
total R240 for 40mins
*MonteCarlo
Hilario de Gouveia19
3pm-1am M-F, 4-11 Sa/Su
R240 total 40mins
Largo do Machado:
*Rua Bento Lisboa 176 2pm-1am cheap
Map p128 P22
Another list. Again nothing new. This is handy to memorise or have to refer to if you spend any time in Copa. These streets all cross Ave NS Copacabana at right angles. If you have the list (in your head or on a scrap of paper) you can work out how far you have to walk or taxi it, whether it's a block or two or a mile or so. Also so you walk in the right direction. Especially useful for avoiding frustration in rush hour when the traffic is moving very slowly.
If you have an address on Ave NS Copa (or Barata Ribeiro or Ave Atlantica for that matter), find out which roads are the nearest cross-sections. If you get a copy of Ruas, it has the street numbers marked, so you can tell straight away.
BR: COPA STREETS
Princesa Isabel
Prado Junior
Belford Roxo
Ronald de Carvalho
Duvivier
Rodolfo Dantas
Republica do Peru
Paula Freitas
Hilario de Gouveia
Siquera Campos {M}
Figuer.de Maghalaes
Santa Clara
Raimundo Correa
Dias da Rocha
Constante Ramos
Baro de Ipanema
Bolivar
Xaviera da Silvera
Miguel Lemos
Djalma Ulrich
Pipe Layer99
07-20-07, 01:23
You can also grab a small visitors map at the airport. They usually give them out free while you are near customs. If not buy a small pocket one.
Another good tip - take the buses. They are easy to use and inexpensive.
NS Copa runs one direction, while Barata Ribeiro goes in the other direction.
Example - A 15 min walk from Copa area to the Siquero Campos Metro station will only be a 5 min bus ride. Great to use when you get tired of walking. Only down side is all the eye candy / potential civilian score you'll miss while on the bus ;-))
Donnie
Another list. Again nothing new. This is handy to memorise or have to refer to if you spend any time in Copa. These streets all cross Ave NS Copacabana at right angles. If you have the list (in your head or on a scrap of paper) you can work out how far you have to walk or taxi it, whether it's a block or two or a mile or so. Also so you walk in the right direction...
Christopherd,
Thanks a lot! I have been looking for a list like this. I am going to try some of the less expensive places on my next trip, especially since every day I grow poorer from the continually dropping dollar.
One question though, where exactly is VM? Which bairro and streets?
And what is Ruas? Some altas I can buy in Rio?
One question though, where exactly is VM? Which bairro and streets?
Go to www.maps.google.com and search for "sotero dos reis, rio de janeiro". It is located half way between rodoviaria and the Maracana, west of centro.
Never been there, hope I will be going in 3 weeks :-)
Pyjama
Ruas is the standard street map book - I would call it an A-Z. In portuguese but that doesn't matter really as it is easy enough to figure (most bookshops inc airport and some newsstands). I've done a past detailed post on how to get to VM (as have several other excellent contributors) but haven't got round to indexing. First time get a taxi - every driver knows 'Vila Mimosa' (unless you are overdressed lol). Buses to Praca Bandeira but you need to get off sharpish after the flyover. Alternatively and more long-winded, Metro and a grubby walk against the main road from Sao Cristovao, or a (safer, nicer) more interesting walk (but you need a map) from Pena.
Christopherd,
Thanks a lot! I have been looking for a list like this. I am going to try some of the less expensive places on my next trip, especially since every day I grow poorer from the continually dropping dollar.
One question though, where exactly is VM? Which bairro and streets?
And what is Ruas? Some altas I can buy in Rio?
My last day in Rio took bubba guide to the Metro again; and went to termas Rio Antiago. The place was newly remodel, but the 6 or 7 girls were very rough around the edges. I had a beer watch the strip show which was very good and left. BTW it was about 6pm and the place was dead about 4 guys total and me the lone American. A total waste of time.
Back to copa afther walking pass the TVs on the street and guys selling old 45s and 8 tracks. Back in copa I hit Termas L'UOMO nice place but I will never go back. The girls are too slim for me and it was the same my last trip. They had some cutie for you guys that like them slim with a little butt. Just not my cup of tea, but they do give a little copo map with nice photo of the club. L'UOMO is the only terma I know of that give out free food. I then went to MC and had a good time in the cabine. MC girls are thicker but nothing beat 4x4 is you like them big in bunda like me. Since it was my last night, I hit help. Well the good things were I did see some girls from MC and 4x4 in help, but not the ones I like. Then the circus started The Rapper started giving out T-Shirts and CDs to girls. I guess it cheaper then paying a Radio station millions to play your song. They should have thking the shirt money and gave to the DJ to play thier CD.
I was going to call it a night, but took Rachel . I thought I did, until I turn around at the bar and saw her leaving with an older guy. I am 43 he must have been 65, but with more newer realas then my 200. I took her girlfreind instead. Got in my apt and the girl's phone rings its rachel for me. Rachel said that the other guy was just walking her to get her coat ( yeah right ) and the dollar is 7 to 1 agianst the real. I told her I will see her tomorrow night and gave the phone back to her girl friend. Then her girl friend tell me that Rachel is my girl and I don't want her (right; no wrong). I am getting a bbbj and the phone ring again. She has to go so I offer 50 real she take it and leaves. I wash up to go back to help and get a girl from the Front, but Rachel meet me and give me a good bbbj TC and the bunda. I gave her 150 R. BTW her phone did not ring once stange. I guess these girls do value friendship over money in some cases.
This is a report of day 2, because I have no idea what happen to the day 1 report.
1st thing I did was order an escort from Karla`s. The girl I got was name Pamela. Nice girl good service, but not my 1st choice. 2nd thing, went to Luomos for about 4 hours. Did not session any of the girls, but did do alot of kissing and feeling. 3rd, went to HELP, and had a BLAST!!! Straight paradise for men, IMHO. My 1st day was Thurs. July 19th, and this was just a quick summary of my events, now to the 2nd day.
Day 2 started with a trip to the beach to hang out at one of the yellow umbrella food stands with the tables and chair. We chose a spot across the street from the Marriot, and was there for about 5 or 6 hours, just chillin, drinking, eating, and of course talking to the girls. Around 7pm, decide it was time to have a session with a cute 18yo thats was sitting with us with her friend that my friend took back to his place. I can`t rememeber her name, but it did start with an L. We go back to my place for a hour session for about R100, that included pics, and 2 pops. I will post her pics when I get back to the states.
Next, me and the boys meet up at the KFC on Bolivar in Copa N.S., and jump in a cab and head to a Samba party near Lapa. It was a local spot and had a different feel, but had plent of chances to pull non-working girls out of there, but the night was to early. Next stop was the streets of Lapa. We walked around a bit and did some sight seeing. Totally different scene then Copa, but still an experince and good CROWDED time.
Next we leave Lapa, and head to HELP. It is about 2:30 now, and the club is banging. Took a minute for me to get in, because a girl that was in the club the night before, was trying to get me to go home with her without going in HELP, (not happening baby). Get in, and of copurse plent of girls for everyone. Could not walk 5 feet with out a girl grabbing,touching, pinching, or kissing you, but it was all GOOD. Long story short, chose a short chick, nice body for an all night or day session, since we did not leave the club until 6am, when the sun was coming up. Good sex, 3 pops, and she did not leave until 3:30pm on day 3. R100 was the damage. I have to say, I don`t know what it is that guys do not like about HELP, that place is no JOKE!! To each there own.
Day 3 report tomorrow.
Chris H
Mr Enternational
07-22-07, 04:15
Glad to see you are enjoying getting your Rio cherry popped Chris H. I am sure that everyone felt the same as you their first few times at Help. I am even more happy to see that you are not overpaying!
2nd thing, went to Luomos for about 4 hours. Did not session any of the girls, but did do alot of kissing and feeling.Be aware that the ONLY reason the girls are letting you kiss and feel is because they expect to do a session with you. Kissing and feeling when you're not going to session is very bad etiquette. Expect to be largely ignored the next time you go there.
Be aware that the ONLY reason the girls are letting you kiss and feel is because they expect to do a session with you. Kissing and feeling when you're not going to session is very bad etiquette. Expect to be largely ignored the next time you go there.
The girls that was doing the touching and kissing, was very well informed that I was not sessioning any of them there. I doubt also that they would ignore me if I wanted to go back, matter fact, 1 of the girls was in HELP Sat. night, and had no problem appoaching me, i did not even recognize her at first, just a little FYI.
Day 3 did not get started until after 4pm, due to the GDP from HELP staying a bit long.
!st stop was to meet up with the guys at the kiosk across from the Marriot, to hang out for a few hours. Next we went to eat dinner at a nice Brazilian Steakhouse on Copa that start with a C, near Bolivar. After diiner, everyone slpits up and decide to meet up at Don Juans the strip club we went to on day 1, later.
Me and one of the fellows get to Don Juans around 11:30pm. The door man was trying to charge us to get in. Now I remember that when we were there on Thurs. we did not get charged. The doorman said that on weekends they charge. So, I call my other friends to see i they are already in there before forking out R40. No answer from him, but when one of the girls open the front door, my friend sees us standing outside and comes and gets us. The doorman said he did not know we was with my friend, and that there is no charge for us. That was funny how he suddenly changed his stance about the door charge. Don Juan was a decent time, and I did session with one of the dancers, for R100. I forget her name, but she is a showboat on the stage.
Next stop was HELP. Once again packed with plenty of choices of females. Had in mind my top 4 girls to take back to the apt., but around 4:30am, my 1st two choices was gone, so I decided to go with Flavia to her apt.
What a treat this was, when we get there, she goes into her bedroom, and I can hear her talking to someone. So, I go to see who it was, and laying in the bed was 2 beauties in nothing but thongs. To make a loooong story short, I was able to enjoy a DUPLA, and what made it nice was, 1, unplanned, 2 repeat session in the morning. It was also nice to sit back and hear the girls talk to each other, and it was easy to do because they spoke english. They had some wild stories about our fellow mongers. 2 of the girls live in the states and are married, Flavia, lives in Rio. The other girl that was part of the Dupla was Jackie, the 3rd girl that did not participate was cool, but said she was tired, but she did lay in the bed with us the next morning.
Day 4 report coming shortly.
Exec Talent
07-23-07, 23:37
Next stop was HELP. Once again packed with plenty of choices of females. Had in mind my top 4 girls to take back to the apt., but around 4:30am, my 1st two choices was gone, so I decided to go with Flavia to her apt.
Glad going back to her apartment worked out so well for you. However, that is not something I would advise many people, especially newbies, to do. Rio can be a dangerous place, even for those who live there.
El Austriaco
07-23-07, 23:45
Glad going back to her apartment worked out so well for you. However, that is not something I would advise many people, especially newbies, to do. Rio can be a dangerous place, even for those who live there.
Going to a GDPs apartment/place would be a total no-no for me, even as a last resort. And given the number of cheap love motels that are open 24 hours, it's never the last resort.
EA
P.S.: Chris, do you remember where she lived, more or less?
Glad going back to her apartment worked out so well for you. However, that is not something I would advise many people, especially newbies, to do. Rio can be a dangerous place, even for those who live there.
I concur also. Unless you have known the girl a while, going to her apartment could be a disaster for any gringo. It is a suprise to me that she invited you there. Typically the girls have 3-7 roommates in one place. Well maybe not typically, but sometimes. I guess the better looking, more profitible ones have their own place, but this would be rare.
So you have to think if they have their own place, they are probably living with someone (BF or GF). In your case maybe a GF who was happy to do a dupla with you.
Most (not all) of the girls in copa are not trustworthy. You HAVE to be careful. I live here and have had problems, others like ET have much more experience here. so listen to guys who have been here a lot or live her.
If you take someone to YOUR place, protect your belongings.
If you go to their place, protect your life..
Going to a GDPs apartment/place would be a total no-no for me, even as a last resort. And given the number of cheap love motels that are open 24 hours, it's never the last resort.
EA
P.S.: Chris, do you remember where she lived, more or less?
Yeah, she lived on COPA next to C and A department store.
Chris H
P.S. I agree, that was VERY dangerous, and luckily and worked out for me.
P.S. I agree, that was VERY dangerous, and luckily and worked out for me.
Sure I agree too - it is statistically dangerous compared to other options. But not always. And sometimes dangerous is nice. Copa's no bubble-wrap. I like the adventure. Chris H sounds like he knows how to balance the odds. Newbies should be more careful lol ;-)
Day 4 was once again a late start, after staying at GDP`s apt. Did not get out of there until after 2pm, and still needed to go back to my apt. and shower and all that good stuff.
It was Sunday so the guys and I changed the meeting spot to Hooker Beach, in front of Othen Hotel, because I heard that was the spot to be, especailly on Sundays. We saw a decent amount of cuties, but I am sure it is alot better during the summer months for Brazil.
Later that night, we decide to hit up Balcony Bar. Now this was a nice spot, or maybe it was just a good night. We got a table in the corner near the entrance closer to the little shopping market that was going on Sunday night. Plenty of eye candy, and we had plenty of female company coming and going. One of the guys with us said he wanted to pick a girl up there so he could just take her for the night and not come back out. It did not take long for him to find his catch and they was gone, and she left her 2 friends to chill with us. About an hour later, her 2 friends tell me that some girl name Marcela wants me to have her number. I had no idea who they was talking about and I thought they said she walked by us not too long ago. I asked if she had a big bunda, and they said oh yeah and big tits. They put her number in my phone, then they left. We had a couple other ladies that was not the stopping and moving on type, and stayed there with us until we was ready to go. One of my friends sessioned with one, but I let her friend know that I was not interested in doing anything. Well, when we go to leave, she says that we should´pay her R50 for sitting with us. I just started laughing and telling her there is no need for us to pay for her company when plenty of ladies would love to chill out and have some drinks with us without the expection of getting a sitting fee, even after knowing that we was not going to take any girl to an apt. Anyways, we left there at 1:30, and headed for HELP.
Nothing really special to report about HELP, same scene, but a smaller crowd. Picked my GDP for the night and was out of there at 5am. I chose Alexandria, and she did not stay the whole night, but was a GREAT performance. By the way, I will be posting pics in the coming days of a few females.
Day 5, tomorrow, and it started pretty interestingly.
Chris H
RioFavelaboy
07-24-07, 03:18
Day 3 did not get started until after 4pm, due to the GDP from HELP staying a bit long.
!st stop was to meet up with the guys at the kiosk across from the Marriot, to hang out for a few hours. Next we went to eat dinner at a nice Brazilian Steakhouse on Copa that start with a C, near Bolivar. After diiner, everyone slpits up and decide to meet up at Don Juans the strip club we went to on day 1, later.
Me and one of the fellows get to Don Juans around 11:30pm. The door man was trying to charge us to get in. Now I remember that when we were there on Thurs. we did not get charged. The doorman said that on weekends they charge. So, I call my other friends to see i they are already in there before forking out R40. No answer from him, but when one of the girls open the front door, my friend sees us standing outside and comes and gets us. The doorman said he did not know we was with my friend, and that there is no charge for us. That was funny how he suddenly changed his stance about the door charge. Don Juan was a decent time, and I did session with one of the dancers, for R100. I forget her name, but she is a showboat on the stage.
Next stop was HELP. Once again packed with plenty of choices of females. Had in mind my top 4 girls to take back to the apt., but around 4:30am, my 1st two choices was gone, so I decided to go with Flavia to her apt.
What a treat this was, when we get there, she goes into her bedroom, and I can hear her talking to someone. So, I go to see who it was, and laying in the bed was 2 beauties in nothing but thongs. To make a loooong story short, I was able to enjoy a DUPLA, and what made it nice was, 1, unplanned, 2 repeat session in the morning. It was also nice to sit back and hear the girls talk to each other, and it was easy to do because they spoke english. They had some wild stories about our fellow mongers. 2 of the girls live in the states and are married, Flavia, lives in Rio. The other girl that was part of the Dupla was Jackie, the 3rd girl that did not participate was cool, but said she was tired, but she did lay in the bed with us the next morning.
Day 4 report coming shortly.Hey Chris glad you are having a great time, yes these senior mongers are right what you did is definatly a no-no, but I did it mself 4 years ago, sometimes the little head is just stronger than the big head and the liquor!
Hey dude Flavia is a hadrcore Help senior GDP, she claims to be half Brasilara and I think Chinese or Japanese, this chick is fucking loco man, and should be avoided at all cost unless you have your wits about you, she will definatly come on strong and before you know it try to sink her I want to go to the USA With you and take care of you teeth in your ass!
Take my advise if you session with her more than once she thinks she is your GIRL, if she sees you in HELP again she's going to come on strong and try to block all the other GDP's action with you! Oh yes she will also give you the best price after this but I want a FIANCE VISA to come isn't worth it.
She has been coming on strong like this for the last 2 or 3 years now, but I will say this the GDP has skills. PSYCHO ***** DUDE!
Enjoy I will post a pic of the famous Flavia Now!
[Me and one of the fellows get to Don Juans around 11:30pm.]
What & where is Don Juans? I have been to Rio many times & have never heard of the place. Is it one of the boites by Barbarellas?
sincity
Mr Enternational
07-24-07, 07:13
It appears that 10 out of 10 mongers agree!
Going to a GDPs apartment/place would be a total no-no for me, even as a last resort. And given the number of cheap love motels that are open 24 hours, it's never the last resortChris H got an invite... It's pretty unuasual but he should be honored with it. What is the risk when the garota play an open book??? Been killed for R$ 200?
Come on, they can trick you, but they are not crack dealers from the "Morro dos Macacos".
EA, you should live here in Rio or stop give your point of you before knowing what is a carioca is.
Don Juan is a small boate on Rua Duvivier, 37, in Copa, Phone 2541-1240. It's between N.S. Copa Ave and Ave Atlantica, closer to Balcony than Barbarella. I was there once, a long time ago. I had such a good time, I never returned. But things can and do change in Rio, as Chris H can attest.
Chris H got an invite... It's pretty unuasual but he should be honored with it. What is the risk when the garota play an open book??? Been killed for R$ 200?
Come on, they can trick you, but they are not crack dealers from the "Morro dos Macacos".
EA, you should live here in Rio or stop give your point of you before knowing what is a carioca is.
I live in Rio and I do agree with all who said that going with GDP was stupid, especially at 4.30 AM.
There is no problem if you get to know the girl, but taking some ho from Help and going to her place is downright dumb.
It is so easy to get killed in Rio that it is better to keep your guards up all the time.
Actually you would be more safe with drug dealers from morro dos macacos than some ho's from Copa.
RioFavelaboy
07-24-07, 17:08
Sorry about that Chris, I tried to post a pic of Flavia to see if this is the correct GDP, it didn't post the first time, but I'm trying it again here goes.
Dude seems like you are having a great time for a newbie and I commend you on your first Rio mongering adventure! If you need or want any other info on for the remainder of you trip PM me and I'll help you out as much as I can.
Be careful bro and continue mongering strong.
Vitoria worked recently in Scandinavia Boate.
She is about 1.60 metres tall,has dark hair,is build petite.
She speaks very well english.
She is 21 years old and had blonde hair and blue eyes for some time.
Does anybody of you mongers know her?
She stopped working in june.
Or did anybody had his experience with her?
Tell me.
As far as I know, she has worked in other boates too, but unfortunately I don't know the names.
Greetings,
Rionewbie
.... but going to anyone´s house at 600am that you don´t know is not wise, and like I said before, luckily nothing happened.
Yeah Riofavelaboy, you are very right about Flavia, but I know the game after reading this board, and I knew to keep my distance, and I straight told her, I will be with many other girls, hate it or love it, does not make me a difference. Now she did show me a good time, but once is enough, time to move on in my book.
Day 5
Day 5 was an early start for me due to the fact that I did not have a GDPstay with me the whole night, as mentioned earlier. Around 11am, I decide to call this Marcela girl and see who and what she is about. Well, when she gets to the apt., I am quick to remember who this brod is, it was the girl from Balcony Bar thatone of the guys that was hanging with us the night before took. She must have told her two friends to make sure I got her number before I left, and she played it pretty slickly. Anyways, the session with her was great, great pics, and a real nice girl. She may be the one repeat, right before I get on the plane, so there will not be any type of attachment.
Did the Balcony Bar and HELP scene once again that night. Not much to report about eaither place, because they both seemed dead.
Day 6 report to come soon.
Chris H
Chris H,
I would have to agree with the senior members that going to a GDPs apartment is risky. I have done that numerous times with ones I have known for a while. But made the same mistake as you and others with Flavia. Went there with her just 2 weeks ago. I took her home from help along with my regular GDP and stated that my brazilian girlfriend (one of many) would stay in the other room while I enjoyed my self. She convinced me to go to her appartment which she shares with 2 other girls. Nice place larger TV and computer. She also tells me of her other boyfriends from the US (Guys please do not give these GDP's your business cards and home addresses) and how she has been to the US. She is very convincing and the sex is great until she tries to pull of the condom. I stayed until 7 or 8 in the morning and got multiple pops. All mongors be wear of her. My total cost was 150R but could have been more if I was not being observant.
Not much to report about day 6. It was a rainy day so not much action at the beach. Went to lunch at MP, and of course left with a nice dessert. Even though it has been raining all day, the GDP´s are out in force. Got to get that money rain or shine!!
Chris H
Tungurahua
07-25-07, 05:23
thursday, day one. pulled into the rodoviaria novo rio 1pm. researched hotel options. district catete sounded like the safest, best budget option. jumped on bus 170 to catete. looked into five hotels with their rooms and prices. decided on the monterrey (arturo bernardes 39), 30r for a single room (i.e., a closet) with sink, bath next door. walked around the neighborhood to identify grocery stores, internet options (3r/hr), restaurants, metro stations / bus, the street scene. found it all too friendly, very few street punks about, much to my liking.
friday. day two was a walk from district catete to its beach, along botafogo beach, to sugar loaf. spent five hours on top of the mountain, burning the moment and the memory into mind forever. captured some fantastic images of rio at night using slow speed exposure. by 9pm there was only a half dozen tourists on the mountain on a crystal clear night. i caught the tram down the mountain with staff members of the stores.
saturday. day three. metro-d to botafogo station. walked through two tunnels, emerged onto copacabana beach. walked its length plus ipanema beach. ipanema was a lot more to my liking, packed with hot young girls. i will remember to bring my towel, swim trunks and sunblock next saturday/sunday. at the end of ipanema beach viewed my first rio favela, its name being vidigal, stretching over the top of the sheraton hotel.
at 9pm i backtracked to sit in front of help to scout the talent for two hours. as a rough estimate viewed about 50 to 60 girls. only a couple caught my attention. knowing the starting pricetags of these girls (100-150r) i bailed a little after 11pm for a comfortable bed. i will save entry for another day (not having walked so much).
day four. sunday. walked the botanical garden for over five hours. as my main purpose in south america is to view its biological diversity and landscaping, a healthy slice of female on the side, rio's botanical garden continued to deliver. some interesting specimens. came home to catete and reseached the crime and safety board, plus put together an introductory list of central's cheap fuck clubs.
day five. monday. walked from catete to cinelandia, viewed the cathedral and petrobras' rubiks cube. man, downtown rio is nothing like downtown sao paulo. sao is way more intense, buildings scraping the sky while the ground -- every street -- is littered with dozens of homeless people. entire communities live under some bridges and overpasses. central rio is tame by comparison.
jumped on the bondinho (tram) to santa teresa. the tram dumped us off in a main square on top of the hill. immediately i headed up the hills to scour the terrain. on a sunday bus i was aware of seeing a favela on the other side of the santa teresa hill. up i wound through the streets figuring to get an overview of surrounding neighborhoods. i didn't get over the hill to look southwards to copa and ipanema -- didn't need to. for i was amazed to see favelas smothering the hills as far as the eye could see. i descended two roads of santa teresa until the 'street transition' became too uncomfortable (i.e., my spider-sense started tingling), turning around to ascend to safer ground. made for some interesting pics though. from santa teresa i cut down into central, along av brazil, av presidente vargas, to the waterfront.
this is exactly what i needed to do before commencing mongering activities: pound the streets for hours on end to familiarize myself with their reality. to grasp the peculiarities of this city's terrain.
day six. tuesday. raining. decided to hit the museums. arrgggh, wouldn't you know it, state museums are on strike indefinitely. what to do? lunch first. then pulled out the cheap fuckclub list and identified candidate number one, following in the footsteps of christopherd and worldtravel69: buenos aires 85. the spiral metal stairwell is a cool touch.
i will be honest. from the reports on this board i expected these cheaper establishments to be images of armageddon. bombed to rubbled chaos. insect infested. stinking like rotting corpses. when i entered the first floor of buenos aires 85 i was astonished to see how nice it was. this place, including its fuck-cabins, would easily rank an a+ in quito!
a girl grabbed me a beer, i spoke spanguese to her bit of english, she confirmed fuck prices then left me to my observations. a second girl, pretty face, introduced herself, tried making the sale on a couple of passes (too big on the bum), then left me alone.
i need the time to transition. just like vincent furnier needed the alcohol and stage to transform nightly into alice cooper, so too does this introverted mild-mannered tourist by day need sufficient time to make the transformation to extroverted, flamboyant tungurahua by night.
there is a very fuckable slender negrita here. dynamite ass. wow. face is so-so, but i'd drop an easy few hundred pennies at her feet to sample the goods. the 'funk' music they play here is weird. but i like this type of club atmosphere. no cover. come and go as you please. cheap beers. music. cheap chicks. scoped the other two floors. needing to compare and contrast, keeping the slender negrita in mind, i exited the place to continue my shopping.
walked to 113 buenos aires. haha! now this is like a piece of touch me in quito. nasty b*tches in here. asses two times my body width. the kind of big black booty ezinho loves ;-). stayed for a beer, moved on.
over to presidente vargas 633. lame apartment scene, like the apts in buenos aires. i can't get into this. chicas less than sublime. left after a beer.
handed a pamphlet on the street to rua do ouvidor 130, sala 911. advertised 10-20r fucks. headed up. five girls in an apt, nothing fuckworthy. moved on. bypassed apt 707 simply because it is another apartment.
fifth place is rua uruguaiana 24. on the fourth floor caught sight of another slender, tight-assed negrita. needing to fuck this one i took her down for 15r. carla, 26 years. snapped a few pics. gave 4r for the pics. my first session in brazil. she was no samira in enthusiasm but what a great ultra-sleek hard-body. after a few warm up sessions i think i could get some good fuck mileage out of her so she will stay on my list of potentials. at 789 pennies a pop it is hard to complain.
over to rua da carioca 40. a large room, 25 girls present. no fuckable slenders tonight. left after a beer.
to rua da carioca 59. unfortunately the place was closing as i arrived (8pm). spotted one cutie and said to myself i will return in the next couple days. jumped on the metro to district catete.
now that i have busted my rio virginity i will visit the place directly behind my hotel, rua dento lisboa 176. passed it multiple times.
sooo, first day mongering thoughts? these cheap clubs are right up my alley. it's like a piece of quito on the atlantic coast, except nicer. sperto counts 72 casas in vila mimosa (post 3225) -- ?!?! oh my fuck, if true then this means there are more places and girls in this one place than all of quito combined ... i am going to die in heaven ...
Guys,
A friend of mine took Flavia out of Help one night last January. It was late and both had been doing shots at the bar and as a result both passed out when they got back to my friends apartment. Well, in the morning they had a disagreement on what should be paid. My buddy offered her 50R for lunch and taxi which he thought was generous since they BOTH had passed out and there was no sex involved. Needless to say, Flavia wanted 300R of course. When my friend refused the fireworks began ! Long story short, he tossed her out of the apartment but not before she smashed his cellphone into pieces ! $250US down the drain ! After that night she bad-mouthed him to every garota in Help. If he was talking to a girl Flavia would cut right in and start telling the garota that he was a no good liar !! She was a real pain in the ass for my friend every time they crossed paths at Help.....
I had considered taking her out in the past but I'm glad I never got around to it.....
Hammer
Guys,
A friend of mine took Flavia out of Help one night last January. It was late and both had been doing shots at the bar and as a result both passed out when they got back to my friends apartment. Well, in the morning they had a disagreement on what should be paid. My buddy offered her 50R for lunch and taxi which he thought was generous since they BOTH had passed out and there was no sex involved. Needless to say, Flavia wanted 300R of course. When my friend refused the fireworks began ! Long story short, he tossed her out of the apartment but not before she smashed his cellphone into pieces ! $250US down the drain ! After that night she bad-mouthed him to every garota in Help. If he was talking to a girl Flavia would cut right in and start telling the garota that he was a no good liar !! She was a real pain in the ass for my friend every time they crossed paths at Help.....
I had considered taking her out in the past but I'm glad I never got around to it.....
Hammer
Hmmmm, this is very interesting, I would love to hear her side of the story.
Not saying that your boy isnt telling the truth, but that story doesnt match her normal behavior.
I've known Flavia for about 5 years, in fact the person who introduced me to her, bragged about the fact that she was "drama free". I've talked to dozens of guys who have been with her over the years and have NEVER heard even one negative comment about her. Ive also recommended her to a few guys and they all came back raving about how cool she was and that she was a great fuck. In fact she is one of the few girls in Help, who mongers keep for multiple nights.
300R isnt even in her vocabulary. She isnt one of those girls who start off asking for 300R, in hopes that you will counter with 200R. Many times, she will stop asking for money all together, if she has stayed with you for a couple of days and likes your company.
Again, I am not calling your friend a liar, but I sure would like to see the other side of that coin!!!
Do you guys eat the pussy of these GDP's? pussy-eating is the best, but is it ok to a GDP's pussy?Is the Pope Catholic?
Sorry about that Chris, I tried to post a pic of Flavia to see if this is the correct GDP, it didn't post the first time, but I'm trying it again here goes.
Dude seems like you are having a great time for a newbie and I commend you on your first Rio mongering adventure! If you need or want any other info on for the remainder of you trip PM me and I'll help you out as much as I can.
Be careful bro and continue mongering strong.Do you think this is the same girl?
RioFavelaboy
07-25-07, 18:32
Hmmmm, this is very interesting, I would love to hear her side of the story.
Not saying that your boy isnt telling the truth, but that story doesnt match her normal behavior.
I've known Flavia for about 5 years, in fact the person who introduced me to her, bragged about the fact that she was "drama free". I've talked to dozens of guys who have been with her over the years and have NEVER heard even one negative comment about her. Ive also recommended her to a few guys and they all came back raving about how cool she was and that she was a great fuck. In fact she is one of the few girls in Help, who mongers keep for multiple nights.
300R isnt even in her vocabulary. She isnt one of those girls who start off asking for 300R, in hopes that you will counter with 200R. Many times, she will stop asking for money all together, if she has stayed with you for a couple of days and likes your company.
Again, I am not calling your friend a liar, but I sure would like to see the other side of that coin!!!Hey Bravo,
You make a good point concerning Flavia and I do remember her early days in help, she was as cool as a cucumber, but I just witnessed her acting like a complete idiot in May man over a guy who sessioned with her more than once.
A buddy says that when he was down in Feb for Carnival that Flavia got pinned in Help by a couple of guys because she was bad mouthing one of them to all the other Garota's because the guy took her twice in two days she tried to lay claim he was her boyfriend or something like that, and that she is asking Mongers with a vengence to get her a fiance visa.
At any rate if she's good to one monger she may not be good for another, I think Jackson may want to consider a forum for bad experiences with these garotas so we can all get an idea of what some of these garota are like before we session with them.
I for one would love the best intel I can get on any of them.
Hmmmm, this is very interesting, I would love to hear her side of the story.
Not saying that your boy isnt telling the truth, but that story doesnt match her normal behavior.
I've known Flavia for about 5 years, in fact the person who introduced me to her, bragged about the fact that she was "drama free". I've talked to dozens of guys who have been with her over the years and have NEVER heard even one negative comment about her. Ive also recommended her to a few guys and they all came back raving about how cool she was and that she was a great fuck. In fact she is one of the few girls in Help, who mongers keep for multiple nights.
300R isnt even in her vocabulary. She isnt one of those girls who start off asking for 300R, in hopes that you will counter with 200R. Many times, she will stop asking for money all together, if she has stayed with you for a couple of days and likes your company.
Again, I am not calling your friend a liar, but I sure would like to see the other side of that coin!!!Okay I was just there in June and ran into her. She is a nut. And she was qouting 300r. When my friend finally got exhuasted and told her no she drop her price to 250r. By then he was not interested. This went on for about 1. 5 hrs inside the club. Well after he said no she became a wild women. Every girl we were talking to, she interupted the conversation. Tried flirting with us, and on one occasion she came up behind me and stuck her fingers in my mouth. My friend pulled her to the side to try to tell her to calm down and get lost, and it got a little physical. You may have had some good times with her. But yes all of these stories are not fictional.
Do you think this is the same girl?
They are both from Bahia, but Flavia and Griselda are 2 different girls.
Do you think this is the same girl?Two different Garotas.
Do you guys eat the pussy of these GDP's? Pussy-eating is the best, but is it ok to a GDP's pussy? HELL NO! LOL LOL I don't I don't and NEVER could understand how someone could place their mouth/lips on a ***** pussy after knowing she has a boyfriend and some of them has a husband THAT go bareback!
How many times have a hooker request for you to go ahead and shoot serm all up in her pussy and ass and (and to go bareback)? HOW many time after 5 mins you pull your dick out and find out a ***** is on her period?
And you think I will risk eating out a *****?
Also I don't kiss these hookers on the mouth 99% of the guys on her request a hooker to suck them RAW! No rubber some of these girls take over 40 oz. Of cum in their mouths a day (NO I don't eat them out or kiss these hookers JUST POUND AND FUCK THEM FOR A HOUR OR TWO).
Now I know there are guys that will line up to eat out a terma girl I am NOT one of them I have a special lady in my wife I do that to NOT some hooker I paid 100 reals to have a session with.
To each his own its not for me.
Kid Cisco
Chris H,
I would have to agree with the senior members that going to a GDPs apartment is risky. I have done that numerous times with ones I have known for a while. But made the same mistake as you and others with Flavia. Went there with her just 2 weeks ago. I took her home from help along with my regular GDP and stated that my brazilian girlfriend (one of many) would stay in the other room while I enjoyed my self. She convinced me to go to her appartment which she shares with 2 other girls. Nice place larger TV and computer. She also tells me of her other boyfriends from the US (Guys please do not give these GDP's your business cards and home addresses) and how she has been to the US. She is very convincing and the sex is great until she tries to pull of the condom. I stayed until 7 or 8 in the morning and got multiple pops. All mongors be wear of her. My total cost was 150R but could have been more if I was not being observant.
Flavia did not try to take the condom off with me, but probaly because she could tell that I am not playing that mess with her. She does try to put the tip of the dick near her pussy, and I don´t know the point of doing that, unless she is trying to put it in. Total damage for the surprise dupla with her and her roommate Jackie, was R100.
Chris H
RioFavelaboy
07-25-07, 23:25
Flavia did not try to take the condom off with me, but probaly because she could tell that I am not playing that mess with her. She does try to put the tip of the dick near her pussy, and I don´t know the point of doing that, unless she is trying to put it in. Total damage for the surprise dupla with her and her roommate Jackie, was R100.
Chris HGood looking out for yourself Chris, stay on top of your game, I'm telling you after reading Acenva story, I now know the so called rumors are true, this Garota is trying to set a monger up for life or at least 18yrs, this chick can smell the U.S. man and unfortunately some poor monger is going to hit up by this leech.
Acenva your story sound exactly like the story the guy told in Feb during Carnival, dude she begged this guy to go BB and he just wasn't having it.
Chris H is maintaining good work,Kcrl01 is correct Flavia and Griselda are 2 different girls.
I dont think its just Flavia, almost every girl I have been with in Rio, likes to rub my penis against their clit. I guess it gets thier juices flowing.
I dont think its just Flavia, almost every girl I have been with in Rio, likes to rub my penis against their clit. I guess it gets thier juices flowing.
But can you catch any thing from the girl doing that?
Flavia did not try to take the condom off with me, but probaly because she could tell that I am not playing that mess with her. She does try to put the tip of the dick near her pussy, and I don´t know the point of doing that, unless she is trying to put it in. Total damage for the surprise dupla with her and her roommate Jackie, was R100.
Chris HChris H,
Good to hear you didn't have any Drama with Flavia. I had one experience with her because she begged all nite! Literally! It was a few trips ago in July '06. I was there about a month, being there that long & not pacing your self you need to recover! But, I wanted to hit the club. But I didn't want any company. I made that clear to her she was fine with it. The nite goes further along & I remind her I am not looking for anyone tonite at all! Again she give me the ok, ok, ok! Keeps hanging around. Then I'm about to leave & she is following me & begging to go to my apartment. I say No, at least a Million times she is following me to the apt. then just starts crying, ballin! I'm sure it was an act. But I go ahead & take her for the nite. She actually didn't want any money in the morning but I gave her R$150,00 just because I felt she was a Drama Queen! (didn't want to pay for it later)
And the next time I went to Help she tried to Hump all on me. And I came in there with a younglady I see quite often down there & she didn't give a Fuck! I had to literally push her off of me. I thought that to be very rude when you can visibly see I was in the club with another Garota!
The crying stunt & the disrespect right in front of another Garota, I really think she is a desparate chick! Business for her must not be what it use to be! I Knocked her off but, honestly she is not my type. I just did it to do it!
But Chris H, her friend by any chance(Jackie) would she also go by Jacquiline? I believe they were roomies before? She looks like a mix between Asian & Brasilian. Last I heard I thought she was about to get married to some guy in D.C.? Let me know if this is the same girl!
Ohp1972
But can you catch any thing from the girl doing that?
Well, there's stuff you can catch even with a condom. But there again you can get killed crossing the road . . .
The compromise I enjoy (position does depend on both anatomies - girl astride often good) is the girl sliding her clit along my shaft. Can be done with or without a condom on. If she has any hairy stubble, I prefer the condom version (I can find it a bit scratchy otherwise). Another one I sometimes initiate is, using the glans or underside of the shaft (with or without) to rub her clit. If I do it, I am more in control.
Can't remember who posted that Bobby (blameitonrio) has fled the scene, but he has definitely not. He is still in Rio doing his thing, saw him a couple of days ago in his shop. This guys has had more rumours about him than fact.........
Chi Town Hustler
07-26-07, 07:48
Hey Bravo,
You make a good point concerning Flavia and I do remember her early days in help, she was as cool as a cucumber, but I just witnessed her acting like a complete idiot in May man over a guy who sessioned with her more than once.
A buddy says that when he was down in Feb for Carnival that Flavia got pinned in Help by a couple of guys because she was bad mouthing one of them to all the other Garota's because the guy took her twice in two days she tried to lay claim he was her boyfriend or something like that, and that she is asking Mongers with a vengence to get her a fiance visa.
At any rate if she's good to one monger she may not be good for another, I think Jackson may want to consider a forum for bad experiences with these garotas so we can all get an idea of what some of these garota are like before we session with them.
I for one would love the best intel I can get on any of them.I have known this girl since 2003 and believe everyone is correct about her because everything that's has been written about her I have experienced. She is extremely cool but but rather she performs for what ever the reason she expects to be paid and when she feels she been cheated or insulted she reacts violently. She also has lied to other girls about me and even attacked me in HELP in 2006 that's when said I had enough of this crazy drunken woman but I admit she really performs in bed she is truly the nastiest girl I ever taken out of HELP.
Thursday, day one. Pulled into the Rodoviaria Novo Rio 1pm. Researched hotel options. District Catete sounded like the safest, best budget option. Jumped on bus 170 to Catete. Looked into five hotels with their rooms and prices. Decided on The Monterrey (Arturo Bernardes 39), 30R for a single room (i.e., a closet) with sink, bath next door. Walked around the neighborhood to identify grocery stores, Internet options (3R/hr), restaurants, Metro stations / bus, the street scene. Found it all too friendly, very few street punks about, much to my liking.Great report. Like you, I'm a budget "traveler. " If you can tell me a little bit more about this place, it would help me out a lot on my next trip.
Does the room have a tv? "guest" friendly?
How long did you stay? Is it near the metro?
Does this hotel have a safe?
I googled it but couldn't find its website. Please post if you have the website address.
she really performs in bed she is truly the nastiest girl I ever taken out of HELP.What do you mean by "nastiest"?
i found this webpage called www.totallyrio.com which offeres a short video from the inside of luomo. click on termas to check out the video
enjoy
RioFavelaboy
07-26-07, 20:49
Can't remember who posted that Bobby (blameitonrio) has fled the scene, but he has definitely not. He is still in Rio doing his thing, saw him a couple of days ago in his shop. This guys has had more rumours about him than fact.........A crew of my buddy's just priced tickets from his site are considering renting apartments from him. Go figure.
Tungurahua
07-26-07, 21:15
Finished off day six with a visit to the club a block from the Largo do Machado metro station (my hotel area). Had the typical 3R beer, looked around. A handful of girls to some ten guys present. No cuties to make my member salute, bailed for a meal and bed.
Wednesday, day seven. Started off with sushi at Restaurante Hakuba, Rua Buenos Aires 45, 3.60R for 100 grams. My 18 or so pieces came to 14.5R. Ahhh, a wasabi fix was due.
Seeming as it was so close I popped into BA 85 for a couple beers. The young hot negrita on the third floor is present but engaged, has a session, then takes off for lunch. Hmmpf. Had a beer on the first floor then moved on, deciding to familiarize myself with more central places before an introduction to VM.
Over to Rua da Conceicao 116a for a beer, 7 girls present. Made the connection that "Acre" is actually Arce. Rua do Arce 35 was closed at the time (3pm). Found Rua Alcantara Machado 31 for a beer. Five girls, ten guys. Basic, cheap, small. Nada for what I am looking for. Into Rua Alcantara Machado 46 (Club 46) for a beer. No cover. 10M 15R, 20M 25R, 30M 35R. Nightclub 31 opened at 4pm, another 15 mins to wait.
In the meantime walked into Arce 120. Heeeyy, one of the four girls present is cute and slender. The braces on her teeth made the sale. 20R for 20 mins. Daiana is her name, 20 years young. I asked for a few pictures. She said sure, quoted 10R for shots with no face. Forget it. Let's fuck. I sit on the bed, lean back, put my feet up on the wall, with her standing between my legs.
She warms me up with some sucking (first BJ with a girl wearing braces I must add), then turns around and slides her pussy down the length of my cock. What a fabulous sight, fantastic ass, gorgeous back, long hair, B cup breasts. I was really tempted to catch that image on camera but resisted, burning it into mind instead. After a couple position changes, groping those twenty year tits, emptied into her pussy. Dammit, I'm really out of practice. In two sessions I haven't made it into flatdog to blow. I must keep excercising by visiting more fuckclubs! Daiana gave me her number and we parted ways. Popped into the toilet to wash the kleenex off my cock, for the next potential probably won't be overly impressed to suck it off.
At this point I have to say some of these negrita asses defy all laws of physics. How are these backends possible?! I have sat in a few clubs now pondering these marvels of creation. Physicists looking for the missing pieces to the Grand Unification Theory, to connect the infinitely large (gravity) to the infinitely small (quantum), should be concentrating their efforts on the spectacular landscaping of these asses. For the answer to tie macro to micro lies, naturally, in medio. What greater medio is there than an ass that defies all reason.
Continuing to wonder and wander I stumbled into a seemingly new joint, Club Afrodyt, Rua Uruguaiana 145, open 11am to 10pm. 3R beers. Fuck cabins are two-tiered. From 11am to 6pm it is 15R-15mins, 20R-20mins, 30R-30mins, 50R-50mins, suites being 70R-30mins, 100R-60mins. From 6pm to 10pm prices increase 17R-15mins, 27R-20mins, 37R-30mins, 47R-40mins, 57R-50mins, 67R-60mins, suites 77R-30mins, 107R-60mins. Why I wrote all that down beats me. But there it is. Ten girls present. Had a beer then bailed.
Popped into Rua da Carioca for a beer, then back to BA 85. In BA 85 one of the girls now familiar with me asked if I was staying in Copa. The look on my face said no, rubbing my two fingers together (too much money). Why go to Copa when I can fuck in Centro for cheap? That brought some laughs from the room, particularly from the guys. Then the girls asked to see my footsize. I brought up a boot on the table. I only wear a size ten but I guess a boot appears more impressive than a pair of sandals. This won a second round of laughs.
One of the things I am curious about, after I hit many of these cheaper establishments, particularly VM, is to return to Help on the weekend and see how many faces are familiar to me. Be it Rio or Quito or ... the setup seems to be the same. The girls frequent the cheap clubs by day to service the locals, moving to the 'tourist' establishments by night.
Alrighty, it is time to hit Vila Mimosa ...
In the meantime walked into Arce 120. Heeeyy, one of the four girls present is cute and slender. The braces on her teeth made the sale. 20R for 20 mins. Daiana is her name, 20 years young. I asked for a few pictures. She said sure, quoted 10R for shots with no face. Forget it. Let's fuck. I sit on the bed, lean back, put my feet up on the wall, with her standing between my legs.Dude, you should of kept Diana's number, she likes to party. She's also in My Top Ten Rio Experiences!
Chris H,
Good to hear you didn't have any Drama with Flavia. I had one experience with her because she begged all nite! Literally! It was a few trips ago in July '06. I was there about a month, being there that long & not pacing your self you need to recover! But, I wanted to hit the club. But I didn't want any company. I made that clear to her she was fine with it. The nite goes further along & I remind her I am not looking for anyone tonite at all! Again she give me the ok, ok, ok! Keeps hanging around. Then I'm about to leave & she is following me & begging to go to my apartment. I say No, at least a Million times she is following me to the apt. then just starts crying, ballin! I'm sure it was an act. But I go ahead & take her for the nite. She actually didn't want any money in the morning but I gave her R$150,00 just because I felt she was a Drama Queen! (didn't want to pay for it later)
And the next time I went to Help she tried to Hump all on me. And I came in there with a younglady I see quite often down there & she didn't give a Fuck! I had to literally push her off of me. I thought that to be very rude when you can visibly see I was in the club with another Garota!
The crying stunt & the disrespect right in front of another Garota, I really think she is a desparate chick! Business for her must not be what it use to be! I Knocked her off but, honestly she is not my type. I just did it to do it!
But Chris H, her friend by any chance(Jackie) would she also go by Jacquiline? I believe they were roomies before? She looks like a mix between Asian & Brasilian. Last I heard I thought she was about to get married to some guy in D.C.? Let me know if this is the same girl!
Ohp1972
Yeah that's her, and she is still married to the guy in D.C. She sowed me a picture of him, and like I told my boys, he does not look like he would be a straight sucker, but he is to actually marry one of these girls, and then let her go back to Rio for the summer. Maybe he does not mind, but that's straight crazy.
Chris H
Yeah that's her, and she is still married to the guy in D.C. She sowed me a picture of him, and like I told my boys, he does not look like he would be a straight sucker, but he is to actually marry one of these girls, and then let her go back to Rio for the summer. Maybe he does not mind, but that's straight crazy.
Chris H
Do you guys have a pic of Jackie?
i found this webpage called www.totallyrio.com which offeres a short video from the inside of luomo. click on termas to check out the video
EnjoyDo you think these bandits find any suckers?
RioFavelaboy
07-27-07, 06:34
Do you guys have a pic of Jackie?Thats what she told me her name was and she was with Flavia all the time.
Sandman0011
07-27-07, 18:52
Is at least 3 or more years old judging by the girls that are there. Shayla, Bia, Mayra and many others. I do not believe any of them are still there but it does bring back some fond memories.
i found this webpage called www.totallyrio.com which offeres a short video from the inside of luomo. click on termas to check out the video
enjoy
Look, I am not trying to be dumb, but why would you call these guys bandits? I am not asking because I intend to use them, but I will say I bet there are guys who will use them. Some guys might not see a message board like this but they might stumble up their website. You have to admit, their website looks good. I am just wondering why you would consider them bandits.
Do you think these bandits find any suckers?
Tungurahua
07-28-07, 00:19
Thursday, day eight. After yesterday's post jumped on the Metro to BA45 for some sushi, reboarded for station Sao Cristovao. I was pleased to see the station above ground, allowing me to survey the land. Stepped out of the station, looked around, hmmmm. There is the stadium, back there is the Redeemer. Which side of the tracks do I go?
Hesitated for a bit. Finally said fuck it, walked down a ramp, asked a taxi how much to VM. He replied 10R. Perfect according to ISG board price (9R). Because of where I hailed the cab he had to drive in a big circle to get me to VM. Noticed a couple favelas not too far off during the drive. Lots of concrete murals which, in my eyes, far surpass the pieces-of-shit-canvass-art hanging in museums.
2:15pm. Entry into VM. I ask the driver is this it? Yes, he replies. Looks at me to ask is this your first time? Yup. The meter came to 8.95R. Paid the man, exited the cab and stepped into Armageddon. Hoooweee. While this place may not qualify as a shantytown it is definitely a slum. I did a walkabout. Dozens of small one-roomed clubs up and down halls. Crates of stacked beers. Competing musics screeching as far as the volume knob goes, tvs blaring, buzz of conversations, pool tables, video games. Dogs patrolling balconies, cats balancing rooftops. Even the pigeons look more fucked up, harder and meaner.
A couple potential girls catch my eye. Ok, I know I have a nervous shit-eating grin on my face. I haven't felt like this since entry into Quito's Touch Me with its battle-scarred membership. I need to sit down for a while, chill, have a beer or two or three, observe the place, digest, break it down, normalize.
Picked a chair in stall 53, front and center sidewalk seat, bought a 3R Skol beer and proceeded to observe comings and goings. Lots of delivery trucks. A couple groups of young boys hang out on the street -- Cidade de Deus anyone? The next generation of leadership -- providing they live that long. If you know this place inside and out by age ten what do you do for an encore? Management inevitably. What a precedent of a place to start life in.
Some men looked pretty fried. Others appear like students. Many are carrying daypacks. As the afternoon wears on and my newbie-agitation settles I see the clientele is mostly your average everyday workman getting off work looking for a little action. I'd say a good 3/4. The other 1/4 of the crowd are oddities, contributing to the freakshow. As the evening transitions into night the clientele tips to the freakier side.
I think to myself: knowing this is Rio, one of the most dangerous cities in the world, knowing I am in the north of Rio, the more dangerous half of Rio, it is strange to think I am rubbing shoulders with some of the city's more violent citizens / criminals. Guys who, if pissed off, would curbstomp me, stab me 47 times, pump a round of bullets into me, hang my corpse, cut off my head then skullfuck me for fun.
That said, few of the guys walking around actually put the fear of Rio into me. It is the groups of guys doing drive throughs of the Vila that make my hairs stand on end. There is something about those cruising dudes that creep me out.
The music the girls keep calling "funkee," what I heard in central's clubs, sounds like a more disjointed reggaeton, Portuguese-style. I nickname it rat-a-tat-tat music. There is a tattoo artist working front and central -- now there is a needle I will avoid.
Some board members lament they cannot find girls over 25 years of age in the termas. Shit, you will have no trouble picking up 40 and 50 years olds here. Some of these women are spectacular monstrosities, legs thicker than my chest, gigantic asses heavier than my entire body weight. Seeing them in broad daylight standing on the sidewalk it's hard not to gawk wide-eyed, jaw hanging open. I ask myself at what age did some of these women start that they can't move on to learn a new trade, fourteen? ten?! eight?!? Is it possible they still make money? They must, or they wouldn't be here.
After a couple beers I take a walk to both ends of the street to establish its boundaries. Some hardcore apartment scenes are revealed. A transport/logistics company is off to one side, VM Transportes (yards 31 & 36). Did not find the street name to later pinpoint my location on a map. The fuckshops are closely clustered, there is little away from the main halls. Action picks up considerably about 5pm, girls arriving in taxis and motorcycles, guys with daypacks walking in, BBQs smoking. Hmmm, these skewers of meat (2R) taste a little odd. The thought crosses my mind it might be favela-kill purchased on the discount. Just add some salt. Munch. Munch.
During my walkabouts a couple fuglies waved me over. I am polite, say hi, blow off the sale attempts. One girl introduces herself. She has a nice body, is a Japanese mix she says. I believe it but her eyes are so crossed it is disorientating to look at her. If I were to fuck her in missionary I'd probably get so dizzy that I'd fall out of bed.
Early evening. I notice some of the guys cluster to certain clubs, watching the girls gyrate their goods through prison-like barred windows. I come across one cluster and see a very pretty girl, a quality 8. I see she has an attitude. I can tell she's a 10 in her eyes. The other girls will give me the time of day. She barely has the time to glance me over. A dozen girls have extraordinary, beautiful faces. There is one dark-skinned beauty with a stunning face. The bottom half is typically larger but for a girl like this it would almost be worth the price of fare to 'fuck her face' and get a few photos out of it.
After a few skewers of meat I re-settled in stall 53. I was divided if I would be able to fuck here on the first day. Bought a couple more beers for more viewing time. At about 7:30pm, after parking my ass a couple different spots along the hall, I said it is time. Grabbed one of the negrita cuties I had been eyeing and took her up the spiral staircase for a session. 26R. Juliana, age 24. The closet stall was nicer, cleaner, even larger than I expected it to be. At this point I doubt Rio is ever going to surpass the tiny, worn closets of my favorite club in South America, 3 Star.
Man was Juliana dumb in bed. She put on a performance to 'turn me on.' Had she just acted normal, if that was possible for her to do, it would have been more enjoyable. After a few minutes I said to myself to bare with it, blow a load in flatdog and move on. Did so. Tipped her nothing for lameness. She asked for nothing, seemingly happy to get a session paid for.
Upgraded to 473ml Skols for 2.5R. At 9:15pm, during a walkabout, I plugged into a fighter plane video game. Some guy joined me, we kicked ass for a half hour.
One place you climb stairs to a second floor, open-air bar. Good views of the street below plus surrounding neighborhood. Particularly at night. In the distance the spotlights of the Maracana stadium danced for some Pan-American games celebration.
Later one girl, an obvious Help pro, talked to me for ten minutes in broken English. She was decent enough for a fuck, good ass, just starting to show age. She had me hard a couple times while dancing into my cock. I casually asked how much. I think she replied something like 80 the first time, quickly reduced it to 50, then 30, all the while arguing the values she would provide, great in bed, I'm not a psycho, etc. Uh, yeah. I quickly lost all interest and walked. Her mistake: I am in Vila Mimosa, not Help, and I know it.
Hmmm, who else for a session? There are a few possibilities. New talent seems to surface with every walk. Where are the backdoors and trapdoors to these clubs?! Ultimately I picked cute spinner Camilla. 26R. Up the spiral metal stairwell. Thought for sure she'd be 18. Nope. 20. "Eighteen" may be my Holy Grail, with angels singing and chorusing everytime the sacred word is uttered, but with tight little asses like this I ain't gonna complain. Fuck closet was again decent, even some new tiling in this one, locking door. Camilla was more natural to fuck. Plied her into different contortions as I poked my pecker into her for twenty minutes. Bzzzzt! Time is up. I said five more minutes for 5R extra as I was not done. She complied, pushed her ass to the bed for flatdog and blew a steaming load. Dressed and exited.
Looked at my watch, 11:30pm. Uh-oh. I ask a cabbie to take me to the Metro station. He says no! haha. Shit, I only have 12R on me. I have to make the last Metro. Ran like hell through the streets, some five or six blocks, to the Metro station. I must have made the last train, caught the transfer line back home. Whew! Bought a burger, stumbled into bed, crashed after a solid day's experience.
It is Friday. Hmmm, do I sample Help on its busiest night ... or return to Vila Mimosa to view full-on Rio madness? Thing is with Help I will not buy and will end up spending 50R to only view. Whereas in Vila 65-75R will get me laid twice, get me drunk, entertain to no end, and buy some video games. It's Carnival here 365 days a year and everyone is a costumed character. Midgets, killers, old hags, freaks, Vila Mimosa has it all.
It's settled. I need to blast some more planes out of the sky ...
Thats what she told me her name was and she was with Flavia all the time.
That's not the same Jackie that was with Flavia when I was in Rio, there might be 2 of them.
Chris H
That's not the same Jackie that was with Flavia when I was in Rio, there might be 2 of them.
Chris HChris H,
This is the Jaquiline(Jackie) I am refering to. Nice Garota, Good Fuck Too!!! Now, she is no drama at all!
Even the pigeons look more fucked up, harder and meaner. .Nice report.
Do you think this is the same girl?Wow, I met her in Nov. '06 when she was with my buddy for 3 days, and I banged her in March '07, but I know her as Adriana.
Grabbed one of the negrita cuties I had been eyeing and took her up the spiral staircase for a session. 26R. Juliana, age 24.
Later one girl, an obvious Help pro, talked to me for ten minutes in broken English. She was decent enough for a fuck, good ass, just starting to show age. She had me hard a couple times while dancing into my cock. I casually asked how much. I think she replied something like 80 the first time, quickly reduced it to 50, then 30, all the while arguing the values she would provide, great in bed, I'm not a psycho, etc. Uh, yeah. I quickly lost all interest and walked. Her mistake: I am in Vila Mimosa, not Help, and I know it.
Hmmm, who else for a session? There are a few possibilities. New talent seems to surface with every walk. Are there backdoors and trapdoors to these clubs? Ultimately I picked cute spinner Camilla. 26RGreat report but I have a question. How does the pricing work in these clubs? Are they independents that negociate or does the club set the price?
StudlyHungwell
07-28-07, 10:16
Gentelman,
I was in Rio 3 years ago and spent 2 nights with Flavia.
She was a great escort , did whatever was asked , even did a strip tease before giving some of the best head I've ever had.
She can easily deep throat and really enjoys doing it .
I never had a dupla with her , but wish I had of , she was a great performer in 2004 and love getting photos taken in the nude.
Studly
Chris H,
This is the Jaquiline(Jackie) I am refering to. Nice Garota, Good Fuck Too!!! Now, she is no drama at all!
Yeah that's her. You are right, NO DRAMA at all with her, and loves the dick.
Chris H
Great report but I have a question. How does the pricing work in these clubs? Are they independents that negociate or does the club set the price?
They are all independent. VM is run pretty well by the girls for the girls. But you don't negotiate unless a) you are taking the girl out of the casa to the nearby Hotel Canario or your apartment or b) they are being cheeky and asking you for an extra 2 or 3 bucks.
In most of them the standard is 26R, no tips or anything, nothing on top. 25R if you bring your own condom. Occasionally girls will be a bit cheeky and try to keep the change off 30R (which I make token remonstrances about if they are nice, as I ought to have change, but decent girls - or girls that respect you - don't do it), or ask for 2 or 3R afterwards for a drink (I find this less acceptable - if they want a drink with me I'll buy them one - if they are just hustling then I think that is rude, but US mongers will probably ruin VM if they can by giving money away as they do in many places*).
Some of the casas however charge 27R or I can think of one that charges 30R. These are set prices and not negotiable. You are charged *by the receptionist* (person behind the counter that takes the money). They mark it in a book so the girl gets the money or her account minus the room fee. If you give the girl the money and she hands it to the receptionist then she might try to keep the change. That's your fault, or else you are encouraging low level extortion if you think 'it's only 3R'. To me, it says something about the girl's character, and is not something I want to encourage.
You will not get the casa receptionist to come down in price. Whether it is 26R or 27R, it's set by the casa. One casa charges more 'cos the rooms are better'. One does it simply cos they can afford to discourage trade I think (I think they have an unwelcoming attitude to keep turnover brisk rather than the sit-down-and-chat style.) If the girl overcharges you, there is no point in complaining to the casa - they are just tellers and have no authority over the girls.
*Polite reminder to US mongers - please try to get your head round this: tipping is a US custom, even if it is embraced by many other western countries now. It has a very reasonable basis in that you go to a US diner, get a fantastic meal very cheaply, and great service by a waitress who earns pennies. The whole system is based on the assumption that you tip the waitress - it's part of her income. In other western countries it is simply a way of screwing the customer for a few extra bucks, and Europeans will generally tip for good service but be more likely to withhold it if things weren't up to scratch. You have paid full whack for the meal - not like in the US that has much cheaper food - and often the service in Europe will be of a lower standard anyway. Unfortunately, tipping is so ingrained in America that when Americans go abroad they feel they are being rude if they do not tip for this that and everything. In bars for instance. I have to restrain US friends that want to tip in every bar (they end up looking nice, but stupid, *and make all the locals feel like paupers*). Good manners in the US often requires tipping - THE SAME DOES NOT APPLY TO OTHER COUNTRIES, OR ELSE APPLIES TO A MUCH LESSER DEGREE.
Keep your US tipping practices for the US - and we will try to behave likewise when we visit the US. Please don't export them to Brasil - you simply corrupt a system that is working very well without it.
Rio Lover #2
07-28-07, 16:47
*Polite reminder to US mongers - please try to get your head round this: tipping is a US custom, even if it is embraced by many other western countries now. It has a very reasonable basis in that you go to a US diner, get a fantastic meal very cheaply, and great service by a waitress who earns pennies. The whole system is based on the assumption that you tip the waitress - it's part of her income. In other western countries it is simply a way of screwing the customer for a few extra bucks, and Europeans will generally tip for good service but be more likely to withhold it if things weren't up to scratch. You have paid full whack for the meal - not like in the US that has much cheaper food - and often the service in Europe will be of a lower standard anyway. Unfortunately, tipping is so ingrained in America that when Americans go abroad they feel they are being rude if they do not tip for this that and everything. In bars for instance. I have to restrain US friends that want to tip in every bar (they end up looking nice, but stupid, *and make all the locals feel like paupers*). Good manners in the US often requires tipping - THE SAME DOES NOT APPLY TO OTHER COUNTRIES, OR ELSE APPLIES TO A MUCH LESSER DEGREE.
Keep your US tipping practices for the US - and we will try to behave likewise when we visit the US. Please don't export them to Brasil - you simply corrupt a system that is working very well without it.
I couldn't have said it more politely.
I fully agree with you statement,
RL
*Polite reminder to US mongers - please try to get your head round this: tipping is a US custom, even if it is embraced by many other western countries now. It has a very reasonable basis in that you go to a US diner, get a fantastic meal very cheaply, and great service by a waitress who earns pennies. The whole system is based on the assumption that you tip the waitress - it's part of her income. In other western countries it is simply a way of screwing the customer for a few extra bucks, and Europeans will generally tip for good service but be more likely to withhold it if things weren't up to scratch. You have paid full whack for the meal - not like in the US that has much cheaper food - and often the service in Europe will be of a lower standard anyway. Unfortunately, tipping is so ingrained in America that when Americans go abroad they feel they are being rude if they do not tip for this that and everything. In bars for instance. I have to restrain US friends that want to tip in every bar (they end up looking nice, but stupid, *and make all the locals feel like paupers*). Good manners in the US often requires tipping - THE SAME DOES NOT APPLY TO OTHER COUNTRIES, OR ELSE APPLIES TO A MUCH LESSER DEGREE.
Keep your US tipping practices for the US - and we will try to behave likewise when we visit the US. Please don't export them to Brasil - you simply corrupt a system that is working very well without it.
Well said.
Also keep in mind that VM is low end fuckfest for brasilians. If you start tipping and showing off your money you WILL end up beaten up or dead. Don´t fuck up their recreational center.
P
Trippleecks
07-28-07, 19:30
Remember Jimmy, the Black American that was bringing girls from villa memosa back to Copa. for his friends. He tried that once too often. He got his ass kicked so bad, he actually went back to the US for months to recuperate in peace. Not sure if he ever returned to Rio.
Sandman0011
07-28-07, 21:33
Also in the low end Termas and even moreso in the higher end Thermas. The only perfson I ever used to tip in 4X4 was Sylvia, the changing room attendant and then only a couple of Reais. Never tip the front desk girls and believe me, they will ask.
Now, having said that, in most restaurants they add an additional 10% service charge. Not so in the small kiosks or places like Kice Sucos. I always left small change with them and believe me it got me better service when I returned.
Remember TIPS is an acronym that means "To Insure (wrong use of the word. Should be TEPS) Proper Service
I would tip the escort girls if they were particilarly pleasing. I used at lot of them at VIPS festas and they literally begged to be invited back. I made it perfetly clear that if they were in any way displeasing during the parties that not only would they not get a tip, they would not be invited back. It created a whole different dynamic in attitude during the parties. Just ask anyonme that ever attended one of my festas.
Well said.
Also keep in mind that VM is low end fuckfest for brasilians. If you start tipping and showing off your money you WILL end up beaten up or dead. Don´t fuck up their recreational center.
P
Carlos Primeros
07-28-07, 22:39
I did yesterday VM - take a girl to Hotel Canario was 50 RS for 1 hour.
No negotiating - fixed price. No tip given.
Carlos Primeros
Tungurahua,
The best written report ever seen on this forum: congratulations!
Alex Deuce
07-28-07, 23:44
Well said.
Also keep in mind that VM is low end fuckfest for brasilians. If you start tipping and showing off your money you WILL end up beaten up or dead. Don´t fuck up their recreational center.
PVM may be a raunchy site but at peak hours it has some of the finest women in the country. 75% of the girls you get from help are from there and 30-40% of the girls can and use to work in termas. Don't hate the locals only made market.
My fault guys, but I am one of those Americans that always tips, at least that was the case until I started noticing on the checks at some of the eaterys, that they have a service charge added on the check. So, the tipping stopped at those establishments. But, if they don't expect some type of tip, why do some places at the service charge? I know now for my trip in Feb., not to be acting American and feeling obligated to tip.
Chris H
10% tip is added to the bill at restaurants. I'll tip more if the service is outstanding, (doesn't happen often.)
Buddy and I were at seafood restaurant in Buzio's, the waiter was AMAZING. He got a very nice tip from us.
El Austriaco
07-29-07, 04:05
My fault guys, but I am one of those Americans that always tips, at least that was the case until I started noticing on the checks at some of the eaterys, that they have a service charge added on the check. So, the tipping stopped at those establishments. But, if they don't expect some type of tip, why do some places at the service charge? I know now for my trip in Feb., not to be acting American and feeling obligated to tip.
Chris HIt's just the way it's done in many Brazilian restaurants: a service charge is automatically added, and no additional tipping is expected. It's also a convenient way to ensure customer tips (because hardly anyone ever questions the common 10% that are added). And ideally, American tourists, ever so eager to appear generous, won't even notice it and tip another 15% on top. Which customer service employee doesn't love that? So don't be surprised no place points that out to you :)
Please note that you are actually not required to tip at all, if you are not satisfied with the service.
Back in 2004, I once had an incident at Vinicius in Ipanema. Like always, the had a R$ 30.00 cover charge for the music, to be added to the final bill. The place was packed on a Friday, with the waiter running around like crazy, not his fault, but service was so-so, and he couldn't get me my usual table (I was sort of a regular there). When the final bill came, it included the usual 10% service charge of the total, including on top of the R$ 60.00 cover charge for two people. It was the first time I noticed that. I wasn't pleased and refused to pay, saying that I was paying a separate cover charge for the live music, anyway, and the total tip shouldn't be calculated on that basis: if I wanted to give a separate tip to the musicians, I would just do that and not tip the waiter extra for their work (and I did). Finally, the manager came, I explained the issue, and he took it off the bill, ultimately. So keep in mind: any tip, included on the bill or not, is merely a suggestion, nothing more and nothing less, IMHO, of course.
Since Christopherd mentioned VM and payments, negotiating, and tipping there, I might want to add that the procedure seems to be the same as in the cheap Centro termas operating along the same lines: no negotiating, you pay upfront, no tipping expected. You want to give a Real or two, fine, it's certainly appreciated, but it is certainly not standard practice (I have never witnessed a Brazilian tip there) or expected. And just like in VM, you will run into a few girls that use any lame excuse under the sun to squeeze a bit, just a bit more out of you, (like "I haven't had anything to eat all day, can you give me R$ 5.00 for an jamburrrrrguee or a salgado?"). Now that I think about it, is it just coincidence that every time that I walk out of a cabine at, say, Buenos Aires 85, the whole hallway is crammed with underwear vendors from the SAARA market and my girl just happens to see the panties of her dreams, leading to a very predictable "Oiiiiiiiiiii, amor, VC nao me poderia dar 3 Reias?" LOL. .
Just so as not create any misunderstanding: in these places, there are very few girls that try to gauge you for something extra, and if they do, it's really just for peanuts, in my personal experience. I can't really think of even a single incident where afterwards, I thought I had gotten ripped off, but I sure do remember cases when I said "R$ 30.00 for 30 minutes?", and girls responded, "No, we are actually running a special promotion of R$ 20.00 for 30 minutes right now". I also never had anything stolen there or any other BS. And the few times I was told "The receptionist didn't have any change... I give it later to you", believe it or not, they actually came back with the change.... not a centavo missing :)
EA
VM may be a raunchy site but at peak hours it has some of the finest women in the country. 75% of the girls you get from help are from there and 30-40% of the girls can and use to work in termas. Don't hate the locals only made market.
... this is a bit over the top. Your and my definition of "finest women in the country" are a bit different.
You want to give a Real or two, fine, it's certainly appreciated, but it is certainly not standard practice (I have never witnessed a Brazilian tip there) or expected.Ever notice the reception girls at L'uomo make change and then short you a Real hoping you will not notice? They do it to me probably half the time. The doorman at 4x4 is pretty persistent too. The worst I have seen though is Solarium. Everybody wants to get paid on the way out. It is so annoying that I do not go there anymore (along with the fact that I have to take a taxi).
Well said.
Also keep in mind that VM is low end fuckfest for brasilians. If you start tipping and showing off your money you WILL end up beaten up or dead. Don´t fuck up their recreational center.
PWell not literally of course (though no harm in letting them think that). While you are actually *in* Mimosa you are safe enough IMO. Acting a prat anywhere is asking for trouble though. Although Mimosa village rarely sees aggro, I have seen an American being loud and just *begging* to get his head re-shaped - like he wasn't gonna take no for an answer. He really just wanted to show everyone he was their buddy by getting very drunk, throwing money around, and talking in a loud American voice. It's the last bit that made me know he was - as some cariocas say - looking like he was going to lose something.
Well not literally of course (though no harm in letting them think that). While you are actually *in* Mimosa you are safe enough IMO. Acting a prat anywhere is asking for trouble though. Although Mimosa village rarely sees aggro, I have seen an American being loud and just *begging* to get his head re-shaped - like he wasn't gonna take no for an answer. He really just wanted to show everyone he was their buddy by getting very drunk, throwing money around, and talking in a loud American voice. It's the last bit that made me know he was - as some cariocas say - looking like he was going to lose something . . .No, literally.
There is another issue in VM area too. The Heavy Duty and its surroundings. There are several biker clubs and guys seem to think that its ok to do what ever they please. Not so. I personally know most of these bikers and they are becoming more and more pissed with the fact that foreigners think that their street is somekind tourist attraction. Not to mention some assholes who think that the biker bar (Heavy Duty) is part of VM. You can´t go there and start treating the women as if they were ho´s. There are wives and girlfriends of the bikers there.
If you don't take my words seriously its your own business, but now you´ve been advised.
I was thinking of writing a response for VM issue, but I can see that it would be futile attempt.
All I say is BE CAREFUL.
VM may be a raunchy site but at peak hours it has some of the finest women in the country. 75% of the girls you get from help are from there and 30-40% of the girls can and use to work in termas. Don't hate the locals only made market.
Just how exactly did you come up with that # ?
Just how exactly did you come up with that # ?
I guess a maximum of 5%.
Most VM girls prefer the big turnover and safety of VM rather than hunting for gringo clients at Help.
Alex Deuce
07-29-07, 22:56
I guess a maximum of 5%.
Most VM girls prefer the big turnover and safety of VM rather than hunting for gringo clients at Help.Two points;
1. During my time in Rio, Every chick I saw in help on Friday I saw in VM during the week. Sorry, Just my evaluation. As for my my taste, lets put it this way, I have more exacting standards than most on this board. (Hint, if the hips are the same size as the waist? I won’t hit it. If she is over 130lbs and less than 5'9"? I won’t hit it. If I can get a reasonable facsimile of your ass in Magic City? I won’t hit it.) I have found some of the finest womem I have seen in Brazil period in VM was my statement to the board.
2. There is a definite bias towards Americans by foreign mongers. They do no not like the brashness of Americans but seem to ignore their own. (must be the war in Iraq or something) Been to Rio 3 times, worked sao paulo of three and the people I have seen getting thier asses wooped have not been Americans. They have been Italians and British citizens that tried to abuse the women and did not think that there was going to be any repercussion. Yes, there are some young Americans (<30) treating Rio like a one pop candy shop that they may never see again. Hold up, that’s what the fuck Rio is to them at that age! Once again, Mind Ya business. People travel for differing reason. Some people want to come in, indulge in their most debaucherous fantasies and go back home to momma like they just played 18 at the local club. It is not natural to spend your retirement chasing bitches instead of watching your grandkids grow for most people. We are the deviants in modern society. MAN I LOVE THIS BOARD!
Back to VM, VM is no more dangerous than Tijuana. The locals are loud, boisterous and just looking to unwind after work. Join in with them, respect their country and generally they are cool as hell. Generally, a quiet trepidacious individual generally says to the locals "I AM A MARK, DO ME! " It has the same rules as any street seen in the world. You would be in more danger in Miami trying to pick up a street walker in Little Haiti or Havana. My issue is the brave souls that venture into the Flavelas. That shit is Cambodia on a good day. It’s even worse now as the Federal government is looking to clean them up.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Back to VM, VM is no more dangerous than Tijuana. The locals are loud, boisterous and just looking to unwind after work. Join in with them, respect their country and generally they are cool as hell. Generally, a quiet trepidacious individual generally says to the locals "I AM A MARK, DO ME! " It has the same rules as any street seen in the world.
Very true!
It doesn't matter if you go to to VM, a Baile Funk in Rio, or a local boteca in a favela in Salvador, Fortaleza or Manaus. The locals might want to size you up to see what strange creacher you are. Just be humble, without being scared or paranoid. Act as you are on your own backyard, be happy, enjoy yourself, smile and chit chat (about football or women) and everything will be fine.
I'm much more on the alert when walking at Avenida Atlantica in Copacabana than I'll ever be in VM. I have the same reason for going to VM as the local guys. That is; having fun, having a couple of beers and a nice cheap bunda. :)
No, literally.
There is another issue in VM area too. The Heavy Duty and its surroundings. There are several biker clubs and guys seem to think that its ok to do what ever they please. Not so. I personally know most of these bikers and they are becoming more and more pissed with the fact that foreigners think that their street is somekind tourist attraction. Not to mention some assholes who think that the biker bar (Heavy Duty) is part of VM. You can´t go there and start treating the women as if they were ho´s. There are wives and girlfriends of the bikers there.
If you don't take my words seriously its your own business, but now you´ve been advised.
I don't want to encourage a long excursive discussion about VM but I agree with you about the area immediately outside of VM. Mimosa village is just that - the adjoining bars where the girls work. Not the heavy metal clubs or even the new goth club on the very same street.
As to the chap who posted the otherwise superb report, if you make statements like, "Every chick I saw in help on Friday I saw in VM during the week" then you are likely to be accused of exaggerating cos until I read it several times I thought you meant 'see' as in 'observed' - which is a hell of a number given the number of girls in Help on a Friday, rather more than anyone without a photographic memory could compute and compare. But if you just meant 'saw' as in 'sh*gged' well, lucky you (or unlucky if you paid Help prices over the odds lol).
But hell, you posted a report, the rest of us (atm) are reminiscing duh ;-)
My issue is the brave souls that venture into the Flavelas. That shit is Cambodia on a good day. It’s even worse now as the Federal government is looking to clean them up.
Since Alex Brought up the subject, I'll post this here.
Maybe not as bad as one thinks, CNN travel had a report it got from AP on 7/09 about tourist STAYING in Favelas:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL/getaways/07/09/brazil.slums.ap/index.html?iref=newssearch
"Rio shantytowns drawing adventurous tourists
RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) -- Most of the massive hillside slums that rise up around Rio's posh Ipanema beach district are places where middle-class Brazilians would never go. But a growing number of tourists are shunning the beachfront zones with their pricey hotels and shops to get a taste of the "real Brazil," one outsiders rarely see up close.
Gabe Ponce de Leon is one -- he came to Rio as a college exchange student in 2001 and lived the high life until he discovered the slums. Teaching English for pocket money, the Brooklyn native got his first taste of a "favela" when a student took him home to Rocinha, a place whose very name makes many Brazilians fearful.
"Rocinha looks daunting from the outside, like an impregnable fortress," said Ponce de Leon, 27. "But inside it's like a hamlet, with kids playing in the streets, and you know all your neighbors."
Ponce de Leon decided to rent a room in his student's home for $75 a month and immerse himself in the favela life.
"There's a lot of fun there. There are samba groups, 'funk' dances and more bars than any other business. It's a cop-free zone, no lawyers, no bureaucracy, no corporate regulations or commercialism," he said. "But there's also old-fashioned human warmth, people help each other out. For a guy who grew up in Brooklyn, you see this way of life still exists."
Barbara Caroli of Italy caught her favela fever after glimpsing the thousand points of light gleaming each night from the jumbles of hillside houses.
"I felt it was an invitation," said Caroli, who quit her job at a real estate agency in Milan, moved to Rocinha, married and opened a pre-school. "This is life. There are shootouts, and sometimes you can't sleep because of the gunfire, but you almost never see a body. People don't celebrate death -- they commemorate life."
While there is no exact count of how many foreigners live in favelas, Rio's Federation of Favela Associations says the number has risen sharply, from dozens a decade ago to hundreds today, especially from Europe and the United States.
Most got their first taste of favela life on the Jeep and walking tours of shantytowns that began in the 1990s.
More recently, bed and breakfast inns have opened up in some of the less violent favelas, even advertising in English on the Internet to attract more adventurous travelers.
One service, called "Favela Receptiva," offers rooms in favela homes, plus airport pickup, free breakfast, bed linen and telephone service.
"Favelas have a negative image of drugs and violence, but visitors find out it can be different," said Marcelo Mendonca, who rents out a room in his house in the Vila Canoas favela. "People love to go to the bakery and the corner bar. They help the local economy."
So far, Mendonca has hosted guests from England, Australia, Hong Kong and Spain. Some complained that his favela, one of the city's safest, seemed too nice.
Mabel Taravilla, 29, doesn't consider that a problem. She rents a bedroom for $200 a month including breakfast, sharing Mendonca's house with his wife and their two children. "It's cheap and peaceful and not linked to the drug wars," said Taravilla, an anthropology student from Acobendas, Spain.
For many years, Rio's 600 favelas occupied a romantic space in the Brazilian imagination, as the birth place of samba and the carnival groups that draw thousands of upper-class Brazilians to Rio's Sambadrome parade grounds each year.
That changed in the 1980s as heavily armed gangs defended a rising cocaine trade. Today, few middle-class Brazilians have ever visited a favela, and few have any desire to do so.
Don't miss
While some favelas offer spectacular ocean views and a population more accustomed to foreigners and tourists, most lay behind the back of the towering Christ the Redeemer statue, on Rio's low-lying north side, and are brutal, dirty places with homicide rates approaching war zones. Stray bullets are a constant hazard, and shops often close on orders from drug bosses.
But a cruel form of justice meted out by drug gangs makes Rio's infamous street crime less common in the favelas, where people with a high tolerance for risk are sanguine about flying bullets.
British painter Bob Nadkarni made his move in the 1970s, to the Tavares Bastos favela, at the top of a winding cobblestoned street reminiscent of the colonial era, where the road ends abruptly and a labyrinth of alleys, shops and bare-brick apartments begins.
Nadkarni discovered the favela when his maid got sick and he had to take her home. One glimpse of the spectacular Sugarloaf mountain view was enough -- he decided to build his own home there. Now he rents rooms to visitors and features a monthly jazz night that attracts scores of outsiders, Brazilian and foreign.
Nadkarni, burly man of 64, says many Brazilians are unjustifiably afraid of favelas.
"They'll even brag about it, and compete to see who is more afraid," he said. "But I couldn't live anywhere else."
If you go ...
Favela Receptiva: Bed-and-breakfast, 011-55-21-9848-6737, 011-55-21-2232-9710. Rates vary. Also offers a service that can arrange rooms in favelas, airport pickup, etc., 011-55-21-2247-2623.
Walking tours of Rocinha: 011-55-21-7827-3024 or 011-55-21-9978-2401, http://www.favelatourismworkshop.com, $28.
Jeep tours: Three-hour tour of Rocinha: 011-55-21-2108-5800 or 011-55-21-9977-9610, http://www.jeeptour.com.br, $38.
Jazz night: Hosted by Bob and Malu Nadkarni, http://www.jazzrio.com, 011-55-21-2558-5547. Performances on first and third Fridays of each month; $7.50." "
Here's a link to a Pousada in the Laranjeiras/Santa Teresa area, (I'm not sure which Favela it's in.) R75 for a Duplo room:
http://www.favelinha.com/po/index.php
With the shrinking dollar, perhaps this is another housing option we've never considered. Think of all the GDP's! Of course, the occasional nightly shootout might keep you awake. Let's not even mention the stray bullets!
El Austriaco
07-31-07, 01:53
The Pousada Favelinha is located in the Favela Pereira da Silva (Pereirao) in the Laranjeiras/Santa Teresa area (detailed directions under http://www.favelinha.com/en/anreise.php). Apparently run by German/Brazilian management, they have been advertising in German-speaking media for a number of years now. There are quite a bit of entries in their guestbook (http://www.favelinha.com/guestbook/gbook.php?newlangsel=english), some in English and Portuguese, but most of them in German, though. I have considered staying there in the future out of pure curiosity, but haven't done so.
For those that are not familiar with it, Vila Canoas is a very small favela located in São Conrado in Zona Sul, not too far from a huge golf club. You can visit it during typical Favela Tours in Rio, for example with Marcelo Armstrong (http://www.favelatour.com.br/rio_de_janeiro_tours.htm). Based on my impression when I was there in 2006, not your typical Rio favela in any respect, whether in terms of size or character. But then again, there simply might be no such thing as a typical Rio favela.
As the article correctly points out, Zona Norte favelas are an entirely different story, and you will notice that all these examples of favela (light?) tourism are located in Zona Sul.
As to bringing GDPs there or even looking for some, ufffffffff, I'd be very careful. Though I realize that Chingon was most likely talking in jest :)
EA
Tungurahua
07-31-07, 04:09
"shhh, be vewwy, vewwy quiet ... i'm hunting wabbits ..."
friday, day nine. if standing at the metro station looking towards the football stadium take the left hand side of the tracks. exiting the metro one can walk along the wall parallel to the tracks via a thin sidewalk. the first break in the wall, an underpass, is the entrance to the neighborhood. at present time there are some large motorhead posters plastered along the walls of the underpass (recent tour ads i believe). walk down this street to its end, past a variety of motorbike shops, heavy duty biker bar, to a wall graffiti of a cool skull, turn right, within 1.5 blocks and you are in the heart of it all. the street's name, i finally noticed, is rua soteira dos reis.
contrary to what i wrote july 27 with "noticed a couple favelas not too far off" i will now revise as vila mimosa is surrounded entirely by favelas. they are all a handful of blocks in the distance but omnipresent nonetheless. retracing my steps i made my way back by four pm. it took me a handful of beers to shake the cobwebs out of my brain from thursday night, to re-energize.
having identified a potential fuck candidate, then kicking back to relax, when i am good and ready for action trying to find her again can be difficult. everything is a moving target here, hard to nail down. if you spot a girl you have to grab her there and then before she disappears down a rabbit hole. because who knows where or when she will reappear.
i try to have my first fuck of the night done by 7:30 to 8pm. in this case i selected jade, 20 years young. 26r. she is quite petite with long black hair to her ass. standard positions. gave it a usual c+ grade. at this point i wrote i have yet to hit a smoking hot gfe with a rio girl. questioned if small city quito has a better selection of innocent spinners than big city rio. hmmmm.
with little tungurahua re-charging i took to the usual walking tours, finding random places to sit and observe selective rabbit holes to see what creatures may emerge. i have to admit i thought friday night would be over the top with crowds. but it was not as bad as i feared. there is one guy carrying a small dude on his arm. you can't even call the latter guy a midget. he's more like a hand puppet. and seeing gay black guys is hilarious, giving straight guys looks (to their laughter). i find black gents, usually due to their larger size, have a more imposing 'animal' presence to them, so to see favela fairies floating around is a sight. plus on friday there are some part-time freelancers that do guest appearances. one really cute girl present on friday night was not there on saturday as i had hoped. argggh, the ones that get away.
why did that particular one get away from me? because at about ten thirty, contemplating who to tag next, a gorgeous girl walked by me. she walked through the hall to the main street. instead of letting her disappear into the mists i immediately walked up behind her, followed, then took to petting this incredible mane of hair. she looked behind, smiled, and let me continue for some minutes. she turned around. micaela. i asked how much for how long. 25r for 30 minutes. thirty mins! oh great lord satan truly loves me to keep me in so much temptation. i escorted her to her particular rabbit hole, ascending the golden stairway to wonderland.
from the sound of the starting gun it was bliss. because i hate bad breath i carry a tube of minty toothpaste in my pocket. the girls appreciate me taking the time to spare them beer breath, and when i offer many of the girls take some to freshen their breaths as well. after a couple snaps and an introductory blowjob, as she came up i prayed she would give me her mouth. with her face in my two hands i was rewarded with her entire mouth and tongue. i instantly melted into her. it was delicious -- making the sex incinerating. my mouth was glued to hers for the entire session, fucking in a variety of positions. it was, of course, hotter than hell lining her up in flatdog to blow, pounding her spectacular ass, groping titties, while french-kissing her from behind. oh my lord my dick is aching just imagining it some two days later. down, boy, get down! this is only an internet shop! if i was a dog i'd be trying to insanely fuck the computer screen right now.
ok, breathe ... back to the story. dressed, exited. looked at the time, 11:35pm, exclaimed shit! ran for the metro before its midnight closing. i must have caught the last train out by minutes. with a huge smile on my face after some good lovin' i was as high as a kite riding out of north rio that night. that second session was a treasure. whew! downed some pasta, thanked the metro for closing at midnight for it limits my shit-faced-ness, retired home to sleep.
saturday, day ten, was a blowout i am still recovering from. by all indications thurs and fri were only warm up days to saturday. arrived at 4:25pm. i make it a priority to be inside vm before darkness sets in. as christopherd and others note the place is reasonably safe once you are inside. the walk in is a little sketchy, however, and best done in daylight. entering the neighborhood on a rainy saturday, the machine shops closed for the weekend, made the street seem eerily deserted.
once again it took me three hours to warm up. beers, sit downs, annihilating fighter planes. at 8:10pm i turned up the pressure to find a fuckable. one chick flits about with patterned shorts running up the crack of her jiggly ass. face is so-so. i needed to slap my nuts against that ass. alessandra, 19 years young. 26r. she takes me into shithole of a closet, walls peeling and marked, dirty and scummy. it is perfect. she is so ghetto i couldn't dream of fucking her in anything more. i ask for a pic. an enthusiastic yes, goes into modelling mode. removes her jacket, pulls her shirt up. my tongue must have hit the floor. what amazing tits! this chick is fully stacked: a gorgeous rack, super-juicy ass, slender to boot. let's fuck, baby! unfortunately she squeamishly refused sex pics. however, just batting those tits around as i fed her inches was worth the price of admission.
exited for four skewers of meat, more beers. before i knew it it was 10pm. as madonna sings "those who run seem to have all the fun." where does the time go?!
by 11:20pm i still had not selected another pussy, humming and hawing decided to call it a night, began walking to the metro. on the way, at the end of the street, underneath the hardcore slum apartments, i noticed some metal and goth punks in a club and stepped inside. heeyy, some good tunes blasting, cute metal pussies. stayed while drinking my beer. thought about it. fuck the metro. i am going to spend the night here, catch the 6am train home.
across the street i noticed an even larger club of metal-goths. some of the dudes were in full regalia, chains, leathers. some excellent threads. one tall guy, impressively uniformed, was so cool i knelt down on the floor before him in honor. this caused him and his buddy, who had a girlfriend, to burst out laughing. i was a friend after that and hung with them for a while as i eyed these tasty, sickly death-vampyre pussies.
by 1:30am, with heavy metal cursing through my veins, i was so ready to fuck i walked back to vm, grabbed micaela. without asking for it she started off the session by swallowing my pole without condom, licking alessandra's pussy juices off my cock and balls. one girl licking another girl's pussy juices off my cock. now this is the life.
we shagged for two thirty minute sessions. sixty minutes of my favorite brazilian cash-sl*t, all tongues. the only time i was out of her soul was to throw an additional 25r at her for the second session. the only reason i didn't do a third session was because i had only 25r remaining.
at the end of the session, 2:29am, she said time. but after sixty minutes i still had not blown my load, empowered with a raging case of whisky-dick. half looned out of my tree, cock stiff as steel in my hand, i pleaded with her to give me her mouth. like a good girl should she acquiesced, opened her mouth, i inserted my cock (with condom on) and with machine-gun rapidity jacked myself to finally orgasm. oh my lord i love this chick. i am going to marry her and tip her half of everything i own (which will half my debt). yeah, she can make me her b*tch anyday.
calmed, dressed, exited. there is one tall, long-legged honey i have yet to sample at the end of the hall. giving her two coins i grabbed her to play fighter plane doubles. ugh, she sucked. so much for a partner.
i left the cash-sl*ts for the goth hotties down the street, powering down to more beers and tunes. hit heavy duty for a bit too, watching the wicked membership, cool bikes, as i have done every night in passing it. as perkele writes i can't imagine trying to hit on one of the women here. to make that mistake would be asking for a serious beating. of that i have no doubt. in the presence of these men i sit in quiet awe.
boarded the metro. decided not to go south but further north -- a tour of northern rio to its last metro station pavuna. because metroline two is above ground after the sao cristovao station the ride is an incredible visual of favelas, dozens upon dozens upon dozens of them climbing and circling the hills. on a clear blue sky day later this week i am doing the metro line to pavuna again.
by 8:25am i was back home, exhausted, more than ready for some shuteye. on sunday my head was throbbing like a giant flintstone hurt. but oh what a night.
ten hours on saturday. seven hours friday. nine hours thursday. 26 hours in 3 days in vila mimosa. five girls for seven sessions. i need a rest.
Tungurahua, your posts are so much fun to read! Plus you're a guy after my own heart that likes to adventure.
I not keen on that walk from the Metro with all the car fumes unless I can't avoid it though (eg I don't like buses in rush hour). When you come out onto the main street, instead of turning right along that narrow path to the Metro, you might think of crossing over using the blue bridge to your left. Cross all the way and it puts you down by the taxi stand and a bus stop where buses marked 'Copacabana' stop. (There are some other buses that go to Copa but until you're sure this is the best stop as all the Copa buses from here go the full length of Copa, not joining it halfway.) Copa Buses to VM and back include 455, 456, 457, 464. Once you know the VM stop (from getting a bus from VM to Copa) it's easier to get off at the right place on the way there too. As soon as the bus hits a flyover after Presidente Vargas, ring the bell.
Questioned if small city Quito has a better selection of innocent spinners than big city Rio. Hmmmm.
Fantastic reporting Tung, as usual. Glad to hear you are having fun in Rio. After your reporting on the Quito thread, I had a feeling you would like VM. I am eagerly awaiting the photos you took of the VM street meat!
Although it sounds like you eventually found some quality girls at Vila Mimosa, I'm going to have to concede that, if you are *specifically* looking for cheap, low-end action, I actually think Quito is a better city to monger in than Rio. Don't get me wong, Rio is light-years ahead of Quito in all other aspects for mongering, and is a world class city (as opposed to Quito, which is the South American equivalent of Little Rock, Arkansas!). But, IMHO, the quality is actually better at the casas in Quito because the girls there don't have anywhere near as many options/opportunities as they do in Rio. The hot women that work in the Termas, for example, you will almost never find them in the cheap places like VM or Centro aptos. Sure, a few of them may start their careers there, but once they make it to the big leagues, rarely do they go back to the cheapies. And then there are the average-looking hoes that troll Av. Atlantica, and are somehow able to find gringos to pay them for sex, sometimes even snagging a Papai Noel to Western-Union them money once they leave. In Quito, on the other hand, it's work for $7-a screw at Touch Me, or homelessness. There are very few other options for the girls in Ecuador.
I understand that you are on a budget, so you may not want to visit the high end termas. To be honest with you, with the current exchange rate, I wouldn't want to visit them either. Ok maybe just to get some phone numbers to meet the girls after work, but that's it! But over R300 for a 40 min session at Centaurus? Sorry, I just can't, pussy is just not worth that much to me. You can blame Ecuador for ruining me.
Another option for you is to check out some mid-range places like Termas 502 in Centro. I always had fun at 502. The selection will be better than VM and the likes, but even there you will have to pay close to R100 for a 30 min session. Check out Bubba's Guide for more mid range termas to explore.
Anyways, I guess my point is, for dirt cheap pussy, Quito is (marginally) better than Rio, in my always-humble opinion. But then again, the Northeast of Brasil beats both for value, especially for under-100 reais multiple-pop TLN.
So at this point I'm not sure what I'm recommending you do!
I hope you will share some of your pics from VM and the other Centro casas soon. With Micaela and Alessandra on the top of that list! Thanks again for an extremely vivid report.
While it never occurred to me to hump the computer, I have to admit that was one of the best stories I have heard in a while. I can't stop laughing. You are da shiznit!!!!!!!!!!!!
ryjer
Carlos Primeros
07-31-07, 21:20
I was on Sunday after lunch-time sitting at MP when Claudia came up. She is a mulata, approx. 25 years, slimm and tall. One upper front-tooth is miscoloured.
Anyhow - we had been talking and around 2.30 I asked her for an afternoon session; we got to my hotel, I had two pops within 1.30 hour and I paid her 100 R$.
After she started arguing that she was spending time with me at MP and this should be paid also. I kicked her out of the apartment - she even went to the hotel-security complaining about me. I only told the security to call the police. Claudia disapeared after that suddenly. Later I saw here again and she started threatening me - I only told her to fuck off.
I think that is the newest trick the girls try to get some more money out of you
Carlos
Carlos Primeros
07-31-07, 21:27
I went Monday to Rio Branco according to some up-dates of FT
Sure - the facility was good, 8 girls, 2 solid 9s, 4 doable, 2 taking space.
Took Jessica for one hour, 115R$
Jessica has a nice face, good personality, very good body but in the sack her peformance was only a 6.
Only CBJ, no CIM, no kissing, just doggy-style and anal.
I would recommend ERICA, which I have done later that day at the same facility. Same price, also a solid 9 and a very good performance.
I think that these massagems are a solid return for your money.
Carlos
Carlos Primeros
07-31-07, 21:38
Hallo Tungurahua
I was following your good reports with great amusement. We must have crossed pathes in VM.
Anyhow - you should also mention that places like VM, and some of the casas in Centro like BA 85 is certainly nothing for the ¨faint at heart¨. in all fairnis, you should explain also that this is only something for the very hard-core monger.
Anyhow - your reports are filling a gap in the reports of ISG - keep on with your good reporting.
Carlos
I was on Sunday after lunch-time sitting at MP when Claudia came up. She is a mulata, approx. 25 years, slimm and tall. One upper front-tooth is miscoloured.
Anyhow - we had been talking and around 2.30 I asked her for an afternoon session; we got to my hotel, I had two pops within 1.30 hour and I paid her 100 R$.
After she started arguing that she was spending time with me at MP and this should be paid also. I kicked her out of the apartment - she even went to the hotel-security complaining about me. I only told the security to call the police. Claudia disapeared after that suddenly. Later I saw here again and she started threatening me - I only told her to fuck off.
I think that is the newest trick the girls try to get some more money out of you
Carlos
Hey Carlos, got a couple of questions for you about this encounter.
1) Did you guys agree on a price before you went to your hotel?
2) What did you think would happen if the police had shown up?
I know guy who had a GDP flip out in MP because she spent 1 hour talking with him and he decided not to take her. She demanded that he give her 150R for "her time". He declined to pay but she caused such a huge scene that he eventually just handed over 100R, so she would go away.
I think that is the newest trick the girls try to get some more money out of you
This was definitely a new trick, and a stupid one.
An old trick is agreeing about a price, let say 100. After the session the GP might insist the price was quoted in US$ instead of R$.
Another trick is that she might give you a freebie or a cheap session if you pay her taxi-ride home. The surprise will be that she lives in Duque de Caxias, let say a R$ 50 ride away. The fun part is that she'll propably take the bus home even if she get the taxi-money.
The most stupid trick I heard was from a piranha in Salvador. She gave an excellent free session. The next day she showed up asking for money to have her laundry done. Ok, how much? R$ 100! She denied my offer to do her laundry so she only got a long Pinocchio nose.
Carlos Primeros
07-31-07, 21:53
What happens when the Tourist Police turns up? You deny that you had any session with the girl and that she tries to rob you or extort money. How fast do you think they kick her ass?
Some Tourist Police officers had some serious problems recently trying to extort some money from American tourists recently and they are very careful and helpful at present time.
I would never ever give in to a GDP if she tries such a trick with me - also at MP I woul give the security 20 R$ to kick her ass. Do not do it yourself under any circumstances!!!!! Then you have touched her and she is going to sue the shit out of you. Let the professionals do it!!!
Carlos
Carlos Primeros
07-31-07, 22:02
IMHO it is best you go to a terma or a massagem, pay for the agreed service, have your pops and walk away.
I never ever had any problems in casas and if I had to complain the lackluster performance of a girl, she was exchanged to another one. With these piranhas you very often run into problems.
Why are they not working in casas where they often make 200 - 300 R$ per day?
1) the casa would not take them because they are not so good looking
2) casas require discipline and performance
3) the girls are lazy and casas pay only for performance
4) the girls go free-lance because the hope to find a stupid gringo which they can defraud and cheat.
Therefore I prefer to go to the casas for the pop and to MP or Terraca for the fun. I sit there, have a drink , smoke my cigar, have a chat and only at some times and after an intensive screening process (see also Bubba Boys Guide) I take one - which can not exclude mistakes.
Carlos
The majority of the GPs at MP are the biggest rip-off in Rio. They are accustomed to newbies and gringos who gladly overpay them for a bad service.
If they manage to fool one sucker they will do it over and over again with others. I don't blame them. Picking a GP at MP is asking to get a bad deal.
Not to mention that these spoiled MP GPs holds a very low standard.
P.S Yes, there are a few exceptions.
P.P.S Carlos, yes, the massagem/centro-casas are definitely the best deal. As I also enjoy looking for gems in sleazy places VM is a paradise for me. :)
[QUOTE=Tungurahua I find black gents, usually due to their larger size, have a more imposing 'animal' presence to them, so to see favela fairies floating around is a sight. [/QUOTE]
Tungurahua, that is a very interesting observation. I noticed you used quotations to emphasize that animal aspect. Do you think you could expound your views.
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